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2021-08-03 21:11:47	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-08-03 21:11:47	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1297 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1296 normals)
2021-08-03 15:02:04	function1	earnestly: that did it
2021-08-03 15:07:28	earnestly	function1: You may have to /etc/systemd/resolved.conf for persistence
2021-08-03 15:53:10	baltazar	pacman's documentation still links to git://git.archlinux.org/pacman.git as the clone url, but that doesn't seem work anymore
2021-08-03 15:53:42	jelle	baltazar: it's on gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman now
2021-08-03 15:54:47	baltazar	jelle: yea I found it since, just wanted to tell someone that it should be updated
2021-08-03 15:55:46	jelle	baltazar: there is a patch on the mailing list :P
2021-08-03 15:55:57	jelle	seems allan is busy :)
2021-08-03 15:56:10	baltazar	jelle: ah, alrihgt then
2021-08-03 15:56:18	NetSysFire	allanbrokeitagain
2021-08-03 16:15:02	lok	Good day. gpu overheating on thinkpad T495 (integrrated AMD Radeon Vega 8). Using AMDGPU. System otherwise stable. Reverted from kernel 5.13.7 to 5.10.55-1-lts, but still heating. Any suggestions welcome.
2021-08-03 16:18:35	jonathon	main suggestion: clean your vents
2021-08-03 16:19:10	lok	jonathon: Thanks, this is good advice. Just before I install archlinux, it was fine under ubuntu.
2021-08-03 16:19:40	WinLinux1028	Hello
2021-08-03 16:20:05	NoImNotNineVolt	sup winux.
2021-08-03 16:20:11	lok	jonathon: I'm a bit desperate. I'll keep looking online and repost in an hour.
2021-08-03 16:21:25	WinLinux1028	Are you sure this is Arch Linux chat?
2021-08-03 16:21:33	NetSysFire	see the /topic
2021-08-03 16:21:42	NetSysFire	lok: your device may have a page in the archwiki
2021-08-03 16:21:58	lok	NetSysFire: thanks, I'll got check right away
2021-08-03 16:22:21	jayray	woah WinLinux1028.. did you use winlinux2000?
2021-08-03 16:22:52	WinLinux1028	WinLinux2000?
2021-08-03 16:23:16	jayray	true story.. it kinda ran on top of win98
2021-08-03 16:23:27	lok	NetSysFire: oh yeah, I do recall going at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AMDGPU . I actually reviewed all steps, just in case (currently using the open source driver).  I've also found this recent kernel bug: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213561
2021-08-03 16:23:29	phrik	Title: AMDGPU - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-03 16:23:43	lok	phrik: thanks
2021-08-03 16:23:43	phrik	You're welcome, lok.
2021-08-03 16:24:43	jayray	*double click the icon and it would reboot ur windows and start the kernel through some dos bootloader.. it was real garbage. think of it like WSL in 2000
2021-08-03 16:25:13	WinLinux1028	Looks like someone else had a question. I'm sorry.
2021-08-03 16:28:36	NetSysFire	lok: when does it overheat?
2021-08-03 16:31:35	lok	NetSysFire: a minute after starting the computer. After it hangs around 85c.  I will install the very latest kernel....
2021-08-03 16:31:46	lok	NetSysFire: I might be lucky
2021-08-03 16:32:25	NetSysFire	!give lok aw debugging regressions
2021-08-03 16:32:26	phrik	lok: Debugging regressions - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debugging_regressions
2021-08-03 16:32:32	NetSysFire	this may help you, too
2021-08-03 16:32:44	NetSysFire	its also important to know if it happens on the archiso, just in case
2021-08-03 16:33:48	lok	Thank you. I will review this
2021-08-03 16:34:20	NetSysFire	the debugging freezes section may also interest you
2021-08-03 16:36:43	airmailsteam	I just updated my system and saw these warnings
2021-08-03 16:36:44	airmailsteam	gpg: key 786C63F330D7CB92: no user ID for key signature packet of class 10
2021-08-03 16:36:46	airmailsteam	gpg: key 1EB2638FF56C0C53: no user ID for key signature packet of class 10
2021-08-03 16:36:48	lok	NetSysFire: I've been at it for two days and haven't slept very much.. But getting feedback here is uplifting ;)
2021-08-03 16:36:56	airmailsteam	Is it something to worry about?
2021-08-03 16:41:03	Edu4rdSHL	airmailsteam, no
2021-08-03 16:44:21	airmailsteam	Edu4rdSHL: I was looking up the warning messages and saw few forum posts with people suggesting to change the gpg keyservers
2021-08-03 16:45:11	airmailsteam	But /etc/pacman.d/gnupg/gpg.conf seems to have no keyserver listed
2021-08-03 16:45:11	Edu4rdSHL	airmailsteam, that will not help/work
2021-08-03 16:45:28	airmailsteam	And I checked with pacdiff too, but nothing
2021-08-03 16:45:53	Edu4rdSHL	It's just a warning, usually caused when you manually do some pacman-key --refresh-keys or have installed external keyring packages, but in general that is not a problem
2021-08-03 16:46:09	airmailsteam	I see
2021-08-03 16:51:53	WinLinux1028	Is there an administrator here?
2021-08-03 16:52:50	WinLinux1028	Preferably with a Japanese administrator.
2021-08-03 16:53:22	Namarrgon	what do you need help with?
2021-08-03 16:53:41	Edu4rdSHL	Anime
2021-08-03 17:11:13	kline	the japanese arch wiki still lists freenode for irc
2021-08-03 17:11:17	kline	is anyone able to change that?
2021-08-03 17:11:26	grazzolini	kline: literally anyone can
2021-08-03 17:11:39	Namarrgon	it's being worked on
2021-08-03 17:11:48	kline	grazzolini, i mean yes in principle but i dont speak japanese so not really a good suggestion that _anyone_ does it
2021-08-03 17:11:49	Namarrgon	it's an unofficial wiki though
2021-08-03 17:11:51	kline	unless they happen to speak jp
2021-08-03 17:12:32	grazzolini	kline: fine, anyone that can read/write japanese
2021-08-03 17:12:37	WinLinux1028	I edited.
2021-08-03 17:12:42	kline	WinLinux1028, ace, thanks
2021-08-03 17:12:47	Foxboron	kline: it's going to be the case of any of the language translated pages.
2021-08-03 17:13:00	Foxboron	for any*
2021-08-03 17:13:11	NetSysFire	translations are unfortunately likely to be outdated
2021-08-03 17:13:19	WinLinux1028	I added this:
2021-08-03 17:13:20	WinLinux1028	ノート: このページの内容は古くなっています｡詳しくはこちらをご覧ください 
2021-08-03 17:13:21	WinLinux1028	 https://archlinux.org/news/move-of-official-irc-channels-to-liberachat/
2021-08-03 17:13:22	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Move of official IRC channels to libera.chat (at archlinux.org)
2021-08-03 17:14:34	mpan	How comes I missed that? >_>
2021-08-03 17:14:52	Namarrgon	missed what? the move to libera? :P
2021-08-03 17:15:09	mpan	Namarrgon: no, I was running through the AW a few times, fixing references to Freenode.
2021-08-03 17:15:09	Namarrgon	WinLinux1028: it might be best to remove the first note, that only ops may edit that page
2021-08-03 17:15:22	Namarrgon	mpan: this one's on a separate domain
2021-08-03 17:15:22	mpan	Oh, I see. I wasn’t touching non-English pages.
2021-08-03 17:15:26	NetSysFire	mpan: its the japanese wiki
2021-08-03 17:15:33	NetSysFire	its completely separate from the archwiki
2021-08-03 17:15:39	NetSysFire	its archlinux.jp
2021-08-03 17:16:10	mpan	NetSysFire: yes, but I see now. I was not touching other languages.
2021-08-03 17:16:54	WinLinux1028	mpan: Can I delete it?
2021-08-03 17:17:28	mpan	WinLinux1028: not my thing.
2021-08-03 17:18:29	WinLinux1028	I deleted it.
2021-08-03 17:40:42	Mysterytrain	if you make a systemd unit, go systemctl enable  xx, then make a change to that unit, does the changes you make reflect on next boot? Or do I need to do something like systemctl daemon-reload 
2021-08-03 17:41:27	Namarrgon	if you reboot then you don't need to tell system to reload the new configs
2021-08-03 17:41:47	Namarrgon	if you modify a unit but don't reboot then you need to tell it to reload the new config
2021-08-03 17:42:20	Mysterytrain	ok
2021-08-03 17:42:25	Mysterytrain	what I thought,, just checkin
2021-08-03 18:05:36	nij-	Hello! Has anyone followed the archwiki (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/QEMU#New_Install_of_Windows) to insall Win7 on QEMU over archlinux?
2021-08-03 18:05:37	phrik	Title: QEMU - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-03 18:06:12	nij-	That exact section points to an error I encounter, though its solution does not resolve the issue on my machine.
2021-08-03 18:28:20	LyndsySimon	Is there a program or a shell script out there that people use to quickly switch to a list of commonly accessed directories?
2021-08-03 18:29:12	LyndsySimon	I have a collection of git repos that I often need to navigate to quickly, and I'm sick of typing it out. It's typically `cd ~/src/<repo>`, but there are cases where it's a submodule (or a nested submodule) and it gets much longer.
2021-08-03 18:29:32	baltazar	LyndsySimon: what exactly do you want to achieve? you can always just use an alias
2021-08-03 18:29:36	LyndsySimon	It would be trivial to write, but I thought I'd ask before I did that and had to manually keep a list up to date.
2021-08-03 18:29:38	jonathon	i think most shells have a "bookmarks" type system, or you can just create an alias 
2021-08-03 18:30:38	LyndsySimon	jonathon: TY, I'll see if zsh has a built-in bookmarks system.
2021-08-03 18:30:52	jonathon	e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2237595
2021-08-03 18:30:53	phrik	Title: Don't waste your time by cd-ing in the terminal | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com)
2021-08-03 18:31:12	baltazar	LyndsySimon: e.g. just `alias project='cd ~/src/project'`. also, in zsh you can customize tilde expansion, so you can do something like `cd ~project` (I can't remember what you need to do to configure this, but read the manpage)
2021-08-03 18:31:31	LyndsySimon	TYVM.
2021-08-03 18:31:49	LyndsySimon	baltazar: Yep, I'm happy to read man pages and figure out existing functionality. That's why I'm asking before rolling my own.
2021-08-03 18:34:11	jonathon	also #3 on https://opensource.com/article/18/9/tips-productivity-zsh , there's lots of stuff out there (and i'm going to stop posting links now... :D
2021-08-03 18:34:13	phrik	Title: 5 tips to improve productivity with zsh | Opensource.com (at opensource.com)
2021-08-03 18:36:10	LyndsySimon	Full disclosure - for a long time I used a custom rolled bash script that referenced a flat file in the format `<alias> <path>` in my config directory. I'm putting together a list of productivity enhancements to present at work and didn't particularly want to recommend people try to use my mish-mash of scripts, aliases, and shell functions.
2021-08-03 18:36:38	LyndsySimon	z looks very close to what I built, and I'd seen that article years ago but forgotten the name.
2021-08-03 18:38:18	LyndsySimon	jonathon: Most of us (including me...) are using macOS at work, which has zsh built-in now. That last link looks perfect.
2021-08-03 18:39:54	LyndsySimon	I always ask things like this in #archlinux, though, because the most competent shell users I know are always here :)
2021-08-03 18:40:08	jonathon	!give LyndsySimon notarch
2021-08-03 18:40:08	phrik	LyndsySimon: This channel is for Arch Linux support only. Also see https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/service-agreements/-/blob/master/code-of-conduct.md#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2021-08-03 18:40:10	jonathon	:P
2021-08-03 18:40:20	LyndsySimon	:)
2021-08-03 18:40:53	LyndsySimon	To be fair, I always make it a point not to ask here when things don't work the way they're supposed to because I'm on an inferior OS at the moment.
2021-08-03 18:57:55	NoImNotNineVolt	i used to use macos at work, but then apple took macbooks out of their product lineup and replaced them with large touchpads.
2021-08-03 18:58:31	NoImNotNineVolt	also archWSL.
2021-08-03 19:11:18	Betal	how iam supose to use /etc/environment.d ? no .conf files seens to be read at all
2021-08-03 19:14:33	vd	when using openvpn-client@foo.service, does all traffic go through the vpn or only specific domain name / ip addresses?
2021-08-03 19:15:32	grawity	vd: depends entirely on whether the openvpn configuration adds a default route or not...
2021-08-03 19:15:53	grawity	Betal: they're read by systemd --user, does not affect your regular login shells and DEs
2021-08-03 19:18:59	vd	grawity: how can I confirm this?
2021-08-03 19:19:17	grawity	connect to the VPN, look at your routing table (ip route, ip -6 route)
2021-08-03 19:20:14	grawity	alternatively, look at OpenVPN logs (maybe 'verb 3' would make it more verbose)
2021-08-03 19:20:29	grawity	either way, look for a) your 'default' route going through tun0
2021-08-03 19:20:41	grawity	or b) weird '0.0.0.0/1' and '128.0.0.0/1' routes going through tun0
2021-08-03 19:21:11	grawity	hmm in fact you can just grep for tun0 and see roughly what IP addresses go via VPN
2021-08-03 19:21:30	Betal	grawity: hmm, /etc/environment is read but .d don't, ok, was thinking it worked like other ".d"'s
2021-08-03 19:22:19	grawity	/etc/environment is also read by pam_env
2021-08-03 19:22:24	grawity	while the .d is for systemd
2021-08-03 19:23:55	Betal	grawity: is environment the prefered over profile to set EDITOR ? one need custom .sh with export, while the other only var=value
2021-08-03 19:25:56	vd	grawity how can I get the route for a given address?
2021-08-03 19:26:27	grawity	`ip route get 8.8.8.8` and the kernel returns its chosen route
2021-08-03 19:27:20	grawity	(if a program is configured to bind to a specific local address, `ip route get <dest_ip> from <local_ip>` might be more accurate)
2021-08-03 19:28:11	grawity	there is also `ip route show match 8.8.8.8` which returns *all* routes that match that address, even if they're wayyy at the bottom of the list
2021-08-03 19:28:12	vd	grawity and I guess you first have to ping a domain to get the domain name -> ip conversion?
2021-08-03 19:28:36	grawity	yes - well, I'd go with `host` or `dig`, but I guess ping also works
2021-08-03 19:29:13	grawity	often domains resolve to multiple addresses, and a) they could be in different networks, and your VPN routes some of them but not others
2021-08-03 19:29:32	grawity	b) some of them could be IPv6 addresses, and either your local ISP does IPv6 but the VPN doesn't, or vice versa
2021-08-03 19:29:51	vd	host google.com get timed out
2021-08-03 19:30:19	grawity	sounds like you have to fix routing for your DNS server first, before fixing it for websites...
2021-08-03 19:30:35	predicament	i can't believe there's an "arch women" community
2021-08-03 19:30:41	predicament	why can't it just be the arch community
2021-08-03 19:30:46	predicament	why do they have to have their own little
2021-08-03 19:30:52	predicament	subsection
2021-08-03 19:31:02	predicament	nobody says anything cause they wanna fuck 'em
2021-08-03 19:31:13	predicament	😂
2021-08-03 19:32:24	vd	I think such community exist because of people like you
2021-08-03 19:32:38	vd	you might not understand that though.
2021-08-03 19:35:41	lok	(Follow-up from previous chat regarding gpu overheating under archlinux:) After playing with AMDGPU and different kernel versions, I believe this is a kernel bug has been update since (at least) 5.13.6. The bug is also found in older, specific kernels. Since I wasn't able to succesfully compile a new one, I had to switch distro. As soon as this is available on arch, I'll come back to it.
2021-08-03 19:36:39	NetSysFire	lok: did you try linux-mainline?
2021-08-03 19:36:47	lok	NetSysFire: yes
2021-08-03 19:37:25	lok	NetSysFire: It's a bit mysterious, because 5.13.7c had the issue, while 5.13.6-200.fc34.x86_64 works (on fedora)
2021-08-03 19:37:49	lok	I think I just need to cool down and wait a few weeks and try again. I bet it will work
2021-08-03 19:38:16	lok	And lts also had the issue
2021-08-03 19:38:35	NetSysFire	did you consider actually debugging the issue by compiling a custom kernel and possibly bisecting?
2021-08-03 19:38:41	lok	I'll go back to Tandy TRS-80 coco 3 ;)
2021-08-03 19:39:04	lok	NetSysFire: I tried and got errors. I'm still a newbie and have difficulty debugging
2021-08-03 19:39:27	NetSysFire	yeah bisecting the kernel is certainly something advanced
2021-08-03 19:39:52	lok	I think this is a known issue (https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213561)
2021-08-03 19:40:53	lok	Anyhow, it's only an au revoir. Thanks again for your patience and help. Much better vibes here than many other places online.
2021-08-03 19:41:01	NetSysFire	o/
2021-08-03 19:49:28	One39Dev	why python310 is not part of the official release in ArchLinux?
2021-08-03 19:49:58	One39Dev	Is there somewhere a page about how long it takes for a python release to become standard in Arch?
2021-08-03 19:50:41	One39Dev	I know there is a rixx package but also would be a problem to start shipping multiple installations via regular repo? 
2021-08-03 19:51:05	moonshine	um, python 3.10 is beta
2021-08-03 19:51:23	One39Dev	And then have the users that develop with different ones use some of the update-alternative alike script to choose between default versions 
2021-08-03 19:51:26	One39Dev	python3
2021-08-03 19:52:12	moonshine	when python 3.10 ships in non-beta form i'm sure it'll show up
2021-08-03 19:52:25	moonshine	otherwise it's probably on aur
2021-08-03 19:52:36	One39Dev	oh well ok I meant its frozen anyway. :) 
2021-08-03 19:52:43	One39Dev	Official release is on the 4th October 2021,
2021-08-03 19:53:21	moonshine	yeah but to your question, there's no need to write a wiki page about when beta releases will be available because that should answer itself
2021-08-03 19:54:01	mkoskar	use pyenv?
2021-08-03 20:04:18	alad	arch hardly cares about shipping release candidates etc. but when it's one of the core packages everything else your system depends on, then it does
2021-08-03 20:41:06	J_Darnley	What is version of the kernel is expected to be the next lts version after 5.10?
2021-08-03 20:41:41	Betal	depends what companies might want to support
2021-08-03 20:42:02	grawity	I don't think greg has announced anything regarding that yet?
2021-08-03 20:42:47	J_Darnley	"unknown"?  okay
2021-08-03 20:42:56	J_Darnley	thanks
2021-08-03 20:50:45	jonathon	historically/generally the LTS release has been the previous LTS+5 (so I'd expect it to be 5.15)
2021-08-03 20:58:30	derzahl	so if im using zram, does that mean that I need more disk swap than actual ram for hibernate to reliably work? 
2021-08-03 21:02:39	jonathon	possibly, though if you have disk-based swap then you should be using zswap rather than zram
2021-08-03 21:03:11	jonathon	(the hibernation process already compresses the image to make it smaller)
2021-08-03 21:04:12	derzahl	id be using swap just for hibernate
2021-08-03 21:04:18	derzahl	(disk swap)
2021-08-03 21:04:58	derzahl	what compression is used by default?  can you tweak it?
2021-08-03 21:11:48	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-03 22:42:46	bionade24	Hello, I have a Problem with a udev rule: After executing the rule gets triggered, scland starts but the sclan0 interface does somehow disappear and not persist. This was my last attempt: https://oscloud.info/f/021e617501f44dd0bfd6/
2021-08-03 22:42:47	phrik	Title: OsCloud -Oskar Roesler's Cloud (at oscloud.info)
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2021-08-03 22:45:12	bionade24	I want to have sclan0 automatically as a network interface
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2021-08-03 22:46:29	bionade24	currently, I have to start scland manually with this script(the symlink part of the udev rule works): https://git.oscloud.info/cjtrobotics/robotworkshop/-/blob/cjtrobotics/studierbot/interface/can/can_up.sh
2021-08-03 22:46:33	phrik	Title: studierbot/interface/can/can_up.sh · cjtrobotics · CJTRobotics / robotworkshop · GitLab (at git.oscloud.info)
2021-08-03 22:46:51	bionade24	I guess somehow
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2021-08-03 22:51:44	grawity	bionade24: don't run daemons from udev rules, and don't do slow things in udev rules
2021-08-03 22:52:24	grawity	if you need a daemon, create a systemd service for it, then you can make the udev rule request that service
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2021-08-03 22:54:40	Betal	how I can check where/how is mkinitcpio activating lvm in boot process?
2021-08-03 22:55:07	Betal	looks there is a problem with mkinitcpio where it try to activate all lvm vgs and this cause lvm to skip autoactivation later, this didn't happen when I tested dracut
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2021-08-03 22:59:23	bionade24	grawity: thx, meanwhile I detected that the daemon crashes in the rule, too. the slowdown was just a guess, it don't need that. But when I make a systemd service for it, how do I handle the ip link set sclan0 up ?
2021-08-03 23:00:11	grawity	ideally that'd be done by whatever tool configures IP on the interface, usually doesn't need to be done separately...
2021-08-03 23:00:30	grawity	but if it's needed in your case, then I guess put it in ExecStartPost=
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2021-08-03 23:06:22	grawity	also, if it didn't crash in the rule, it'd be explicitly killed in the rule, for running too long
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2021-08-03 23:06:54	bionade24	grawity: There's no IP stuff involved in the communication as this is for Linux' SocketCAN interface
2021-08-03 23:06:59	grawity	it's not just "don't do that" but actually "udev prevents you from doing that"
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2021-08-03 23:07:25	bionade24	grawity: so'ill stick with ExecStartPost. Thx for your help
2021-08-03 23:07:30	grawity	hmm makes sense then, does a can interface use any address configuration or is it just "up"
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2021-08-03 23:13:08	bionade24	grawity: The adress configuration stuff is done by our own code, we directly interact with the kernel's socketCAN interface.
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2021-08-03 23:14:07	bionade24	grawity: But it's not IP adresses
2021-08-03 23:14:19	bionade24	s/not/not about/
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2021-08-04 00:19:44	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1273 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1272 normals)
2021-08-03 23:41:55	duddino	Hello friends
2021-08-03 23:42:56	duddino	welcome progandy
2021-08-03 23:43:51	Namarrgon	duddino: hi
2021-08-03 23:44:26	progandy	hi. that was only atimout, though.
2021-08-03 23:45:00	progandy	* a timeout
2021-08-03 23:47:32	duddino	welcome yarn
2021-08-03 23:47:40	yarn	uh thanks
2021-08-03 23:47:45	Namarrgon	duddino: do you need help with anything?
2021-08-03 23:48:29	duddino	no I was just checkint things out
2021-08-03 23:48:37	yarn	I am upgrading an old system and my keyring is out of date. I tried pacman -S archlinux-keyring, but an error looking up a key to install that, even
2021-08-03 23:48:44	yarn	what else can I try to update the keyring
2021-08-03 23:48:58	Namarrgon	how long did it go without updates?
2021-08-03 23:49:15	yarn	looks like a long time, uname -a shows linux 4.20
2021-08-03 23:49:45	Namarrgon	try your luck with the ALA and upgrade in stages but in this case it might be faster to just reinstall
2021-08-03 23:50:15	yarn	the ala?
2021-08-03 23:50:22	Namarrgon	!ala
2021-08-03 23:50:22	phrik	Let's flip through it to hunt our lovely bugs: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_Archive
2021-08-03 23:50:43	yarn	ah ok
2021-08-03 23:51:54	The-Compiler	yarn: does pacman-key --refresh-keys help?
2021-08-03 23:53:46	yarn	The-Compiler: that seems to fail as well http://0x0.st/-4e3.txt
2021-08-03 23:54:47	Namarrgon	--keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com
2021-08-03 23:54:47	The-Compiler	yarn: I think sks-keyservers.net is pretty dead
2021-08-03 23:54:52	The-Compiler	what Namarrgon said
2021-08-03 23:56:22	yarn	are the keyservers available online somewhere?
2021-08-03 23:56:27	yarn	the list of them, rather
2021-08-03 23:57:14	Nyaaori	maybe someone in here knows now
2021-08-03 23:57:26	Nyaaori	is it possible to get ssh to start in initramfs's emergency mode for remote management?
2021-08-03 23:57:36	Nyaaori	i tried using mkinitcpio-systemd-tool but that only seems to start it for remote cryptsetup unlocking, not for emergency mode
2021-08-03 23:58:09	Namarrgon	yarn: the default config uses the one from the outßput you posted
2021-08-03 23:58:28	Namarrgon	the sks pools are in various states of dead, though
2021-08-04 00:05:46	Namarrgon	Nyaaori: i don't know anything about mkinitpcio-systemd-tool but mkinitcpio-tinyssh uses dead-simple hooks that are easy to hack
2021-08-04 00:11:59	Nyaaori	Namarrgon, i'm using systemd rather than busybox init for initramfs
2021-08-04 00:14:46	jonathon	lb9di: yes, though to date this has been a regular pattern of every five releases, so i'm sticking with my prediction :P
2021-08-04 00:19:27	Nyaaori	it brings networking up but doesn't run the tinyssh server
2021-08-04 00:19:44	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-04 00:31:43	futune	is there a way to play music such that it keeps playing even if i switch tty?
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2021-08-04 00:32:45	teraflops	use alsa?
2021-08-04 00:33:06	bionade24	jonathon: Before 5.10 it actually was 5.4 your pattern is already wrong
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2021-08-04 00:34:12	bionade24	futune: What do you use for music playing? For console, mpc/mpd should be capable of that
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2021-08-04 00:34:46	futune	bionade24, i use mpv and pulseaudio
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2021-08-04 00:35:02	futune	maybe it would "just work" if i used straight alsa instead of pulse?
2021-08-04 00:35:03	grawity	pulseaudio will pause streams if systemd-logind says you're not the foreground user and shouldn't have access to audio devices anymore
2021-08-04 00:35:34	ℹ 	gschanuel6 es conocido ahora como gschanuel
2021-08-04 00:35:40	grawity	so log in as the same user to the other tty I guess
2021-08-04 00:35:56	futune	grawity, no, that defeats the purpose I'm afraid
2021-08-04 00:36:02	futune	i switch tty to use different users
2021-08-04 00:36:55	teraflops	alsa + mpd systemwide
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2021-08-04 00:41:59	yarn	ok I downloaded archlinux-keyring*zst and its sig from the ALA, checked the package against the sig, installed it, then was able to upgrade after dealing with some package-dependent issues (things seem to change after 2 or 3 years or however long it's been)
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2021-08-04 00:51:22	futune	alsa does what i want by default, mpv works with --audio-device=alsa/sysdefault:CARD=Generic
2021-08-04 00:51:38	futune	simply using --audio-device=alsa starts pulseaudio for some reason
2021-08-04 00:51:43	futune	thanks for the help guys
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2021-08-04 00:54:11	lantech19446	is arch able to start x directly or will I need to edit xinitrc when I install i3wm?
2021-08-04 00:54:28	Edu4rdSHL	See the wiki
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2021-08-04 01:02:37	Betal	bionade24: also might have some relation with "latest kernel of year", usually LTS is released in the last 3 months
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2021-08-04 01:05:03	wreck	anybody use autorandr and want to share what the installed udev rule looks like? apparently the aur package doesn't include that bit and i'd like it to actually work and stuff.
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2021-08-04 01:08:58	Nyaaori	no other sides about the initramfs thing?
2021-08-04 01:09:01	Nyaaori	er
2021-08-04 01:09:03	Nyaaori	s/sides/ideas/
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2021-08-04 10:19:22	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-08-04 10:19:22	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1253 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1252 normals)
2021-08-04 01:55:28	tinamus	Hi everyone, I haven't been able to update my system since yesterday. It looks like there a couple of expired signatures. Does anyone know if this will be solved soon?
2021-08-04 01:58:14	Scimmia	tinamus: it's already solved, update archlinux-keyring first
2021-08-04 02:01:01	mingdao	With just a normal `pacman -Syu` the first pkg updated for me was archlinux-keyring-20210802-1-any.
2021-08-04 02:03:11	tinamus	oh interesting 
2021-08-04 02:03:20	tinamus	I am getting archlinux-keyring-20210616-1
2021-08-04 02:03:30	mingdao	Guess it all depends on what you have in the a's.  Not all my Arch boxen have archlinux-keyring first, but none hesitated to update everything.
2021-08-04 02:03:40	mingdao	tinamus: Did you run `pacman -Syu` ?
2021-08-04 02:04:23	Scimmia	sigs are checked before anything is updated, so the order doesn't really matter, it has to be a separate transaction
2021-08-04 02:04:24	tinamus	Yes I did
2021-08-04 02:04:44	Scimmia	tinamus: sounds like your mirror is slow
2021-08-04 02:05:00	mingdao	If just archlinux-keyring run `pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring`
2021-08-04 02:06:04	tinamus	I already tried that but it looks like I am getting an older version of it
2021-08-04 02:06:40	tinamus	Scimmia: do you mind recommending a mirror?
2021-08-04 02:07:22	Scimmia	Can't really do that, the best mirrors will be different for everyone. See the mirror status page linked from the front page, that should tell you if your current mirror is bad
2021-08-04 02:08:18	coruja	!give tinamus mirrorstatus
2021-08-04 02:08:18	phrik	tinamus: Check the status of the mirrors here: http://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/status/
2021-08-04 02:09:36	tinamus	Thank you guys!
2021-08-04 02:10:50	randomxusr	I'm attempting to register for the forums and getting stuck with the sed regular expression. I can get the checksum without the sed regexp, but when I include the regexp, it errors with No such file or directory
2021-08-04 02:11:11	randomxusr	Could this be an issue with my version of sed?
2021-08-04 02:11:42	Scimmia	a typo would seem more likely. What command are you running, exactly?
2021-08-04 02:12:28	randomxusr	"date -u +%V$(uname)|sha384sum|sed 's/\W//g'"
2021-08-04 02:14:13	Scimmia	without the double quotes
2021-08-04 02:14:53	randomxusr	*facepalm*
2021-08-04 02:15:40	randomxusr	Too bad there isn't a button for "I Was never here"
2021-08-04 02:15:46	Scimmia	lol
2021-08-04 02:16:20	randomxusr	and thanks
2021-08-04 02:16:23	Scimmia	np
2021-08-04 02:17:36	nopt	hello?
2021-08-04 02:18:14	nopt	anybody online?
2021-08-04 02:18:19	mingdao	!give nopt hello
2021-08-04 02:18:20	phrik	nopt: hello? http://i.imgur.com/8pwTF.gif
2021-08-04 02:18:35	nopt	hello mingdao
2021-08-04 02:18:51	mingdao	Howdy nopt ... how's life?
2021-08-04 02:18:55	nopt	pretty good
2021-08-04 02:18:56	nopt	you?
2021-08-04 02:19:07	mingdao	Still on this side of the ground.
2021-08-04 02:19:20	nopt	im in the live installation now
2021-08-04 02:19:26	nopt	trying to mount my partition
2021-08-04 02:19:29	nopt	but it cant find the partition
2021-08-04 02:19:36	coruja	a propos forums, is it possible to have a username set free when they haven't posted anything for about 10 years?
2021-08-04 02:20:04	mingdao	nopt: How are you looking?  Maybe some device that doesn't have a driver in the ISO?
2021-08-04 02:20:06	thrice	nopt: "it" is you?
2021-08-04 02:20:26	nopt	ill be right back, going to go write down exact steps im taking
2021-08-04 02:20:30	nopt	and the output
2021-08-04 02:26:49	nopt	hello i am back
2021-08-04 02:26:49	mingdao	nopt: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide should be your guide, and `lsblk -o +fstype,label,uuid,partuuid` is good for showing partitions, labels, mount points ... about all you'll need to see.
2021-08-04 02:26:50	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-04 02:26:57	nopt	thank you
2021-08-04 02:27:20	nopt	i am in the live installation though so which command should i use to open the wiki?
2021-08-04 02:27:30	nopt	not sure what browser package is preinstalled
2021-08-04 02:27:37	nopt	can read the manual on the command if it has a page
2021-08-04 02:28:11	nopt	oh right, i have been using the installation guide
2021-08-04 02:28:23	nopt	copied what it said to do, but i got an error anyway
2021-08-04 02:28:24	thrice	if you switch TTY, there is a command iirc.  Installation_guide ?
2021-08-04 02:28:33	thrice	!error
2021-08-04 02:28:33	phrik	An error occured while attempting to display the error message.
2021-08-04 02:28:35	thrice	!ix
2021-08-04 02:28:35	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2021-08-04 02:28:41	nopt	yeah Installation_guide
2021-08-04 02:28:45	nopt	thats the script i was using
2021-08-04 02:29:07	nopt	i was up to "mount the partitions" or something like that, tried mount /dev/rootpartition/ (i did substitute my actual root partition)
2021-08-04 02:29:15	nopt	so for me that was mont /dev/nvme0n1p6/
2021-08-04 02:29:21	nopt	*mount
2021-08-04 02:30:52	nopt	hello ultraciss columbarius
2021-08-04 02:31:13	nopt	hello yamchah2
2021-08-04 02:32:33	nopt	my only error is 'mount: /dev/partition/mnt can't find in /etc/fstab'
2021-08-04 02:32:54	nopt	should i mkdir /dev/partiton/mnt?
2021-08-04 02:33:31	nopt	or should i run mount /dev/nvme0n1/mnt instead of /dev/nvme0n1p6/mnt
2021-08-04 02:33:33	thrice	re-read the installation guide
2021-08-04 02:33:36	thrice	no
2021-08-04 02:33:47	nopt	yeah thatd mess up my whole system wouldnt it
2021-08-04 02:33:51	nopt	so reread from the start?
2021-08-04 02:34:23	thrice	mount /dev/root_partition /mnt
2021-08-04 02:34:37	nopt	yep, thats the directory fstab cant find
2021-08-04 02:35:01	thrice	you are missing a space
2021-08-04 02:35:08	nopt	alright, thank you
2021-08-04 02:35:10	nopt	ill try that
2021-08-04 02:35:25	coruja	mount takes two arguments, device and mountpoint
2021-08-04 02:35:29	coruja	meh
2021-08-04 02:36:05	nopt	no errors, proceed with manual?
2021-08-04 02:36:42	thrice	sure
2021-08-04 02:36:46	nopt	many thanks
2021-08-04 02:39:25	coruja	concerning my earlier question, i found out in the forums that username changes/deletions aren't possible
2021-08-04 02:39:45	coruja	bad luck then
2021-08-04 02:43:22	nopt	so i installed the base, linux and linux-firmware using pacstrap, no errors... but now there is no Installation_guide script
2021-08-04 02:43:25	nopt	so im a bit lost
2021-08-04 02:43:50	nopt	anywhere i can install it? pacstrap /mnt packages.x86_64 isnt working since it "failed to install to new root"
2021-08-04 02:44:15	nopt	ill admit, my understanding of the terminal probably wasnt good enough for installing arch :/
2021-08-04 02:44:39	thrice	change to tty2
2021-08-04 02:44:45	nopt	alt + rightarrowkey?
2021-08-04 02:45:02	thrice	no ofense, but are you sure arch is the correct choice? :)
2021-08-04 02:45:07	thrice	ctl+alt+f2
2021-08-04 02:45:07	nopt	not really
2021-08-04 02:45:12	thrice	and f1 to go back
2021-08-04 02:45:17	nopt	alright then
2021-08-04 02:45:33	nopt	i kind of deleted my other linux partition so im all or nothing here
2021-08-04 02:45:46	nopt	my plan B is to wait for end of lockdown and get another iso from a friend
2021-08-04 02:45:51	nopt	thank you again
2021-08-04 02:46:26	coruja	no risk no fun
2021-08-04 03:30:59	jonathon	bionade24: since 2016: 4.4, 4.9, 4.14, 4.19, 5.4, 5.10. historically generally (as i originally said), plus five. but sure, i guess i'll include a disclaimer of an error of plus/minus 1 and reference time window for my single-line IRC guesstimate. -.-
2021-08-04 03:59:57	Betal	jonathon: they almost follow "last kernel of year" release
2021-08-04 05:21:02	drew	this laptop keeps disconnecting while I am working on it over ssh and reconnecting with a new ip address. Where do I figure out why this is going on and what is going wrong?
2021-08-04 06:24:09	mingdao	drew: journalctl -xe    might be a good start
2021-08-04 06:24:44	mingdao	drew: `journalctl -f` and watch the output as it disconnects/connects
2021-08-04 07:45:52	randomxusr	My luks passphrase is not working. When I enter the command "cryptsetup open --type Luks /dev/nvme0n1p2 CryptName" I enter the passphrase but no luck. I don't have the header backed up but I can view header info with luksDump. I know the passphrase. What can I try to fix this?
2021-08-04 07:46:29	randomxusr	I have try accessing from the Live ISO with the same result - error is No key available with this passphrase
2021-08-04 07:50:07	_cyphertite_	randomxusr:  does `cryptsetup open /dev/nvme0n1p2 CryptName` work?
2021-08-04 07:58:13	randomxusr	<_cyphertite_> no. it recognizes the device and reads the header info from what I can tell. Then prompts me for the passphrase
2021-08-04 07:59:18	randomxusr	_cyphertite_ my bad on the username
2021-08-04 08:56:28	randomxusr	how can i determine if my luks header file is corrupt?
2021-08-04 09:20:32	randomxusr	is it possible to pull an older install image for troubleshooting?
2021-08-04 09:24:22	Squall5668	my pacman "Total" progress is 193%
2021-08-04 09:24:51	randomxusr	seems odd
2021-08-04 09:25:55	Squall5668	I was laughing so hard. I was migrating an arch install to a VM and moved pacman cache to the VM before reinstalling the packages. But not all of them were up to date
2021-08-04 09:27:51	Squall5668	https://i.imgur.com/Az4AsEI.png
2021-08-04 09:29:54	raster	arch is 39% better than everyone else...
2021-08-04 09:29:55	raster	:)
2021-08-04 09:50:33	Cirrus_Minor	. . . . ᗧ  ᛫ ᛫ ᗣᗣ 🍒 . ᗣ .🍓 . . .ᗣᗣ . . 🍇🍇. . 🍓🍈. .🍒.
2021-08-04 09:52:58	Berzerkula	Cirrus_Minor: very well
2021-08-04 10:12:18	amosbird	hello! What's the right command to modify a user clickhouse❌600:600::/nonexistent:/bin/false    to  clickhouse❌600:600::/home/clickhouse:/bin/bash  ?
2021-08-04 10:18:50	audeoudh	usermod -s /bin/bash -d /home/clickhouse [-m] clickhouse
2021-08-04 10:19:21	amosbird	cool. btw it won't work if there are active user processes. I'll just sed /etc/passwd for the moment
2021-08-04 10:19:23	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-04 10:20:01	Namarrgon	famous last words
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2021-08-04 12:04:17	Foxboron	earnestly: If you where to package up your $HOME files, would you pick /etc/skel (considering a single user system) or do something more complicated?
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2021-08-04 12:09:23	ramblebamble	Foxboron, why /etc/skel, the only reason you would package _YOUR_ $HOME-files is to have a backup, and for that there is a plenthora of options available, rsync, borg, cp, tar etc. depending on your backup strategy
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2021-08-04 12:09:57	ramblebamble	and /etc/skel is on the same machine so not a very good spot for a backup
2021-08-04 12:10:14	ramblebamble	also if I get a new user-account I have _YOUR_ files as well
2021-08-04 12:10:53	Foxboron	ramblebamble: Please read and answer the question and ask if you wonder about my setup.
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2021-08-04 12:12:35	ramblebamble	I did answer it, didn't i local backups are prone to die with the original data together on the machine they reside on
2021-08-04 12:13:11	Foxboron	ramblebamble: Did you miss "where to package up your $HOME" then? or did you not bother to try understand the problem before going off on a tangent?
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2021-08-04 12:14:19	Foxboron	It's an extremely specific question, asked to an extremely specific person.
2021-08-04 12:15:14	ramblebamble	well that must have been bevore my time, but once again, I answered that as well,  don't do it locally and with the options for backups provided you can do your own setup, and yes was to specific person, i just tried to be helpful, but please pick a fight with s.o. else
2021-08-04 12:15:50	Foxboron	I'm not the person trying to make this about backups, which was never part of the problem to begin with.
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2021-08-04 12:17:07	ramblebamble	Foxboron, yeah whatever, could have communicated that in a nicer tone, luckily I don't care about helping you uanymore
2021-08-04 12:17:56	Foxboron	Going on unhinged rants about backups instead of understanding the problem isn't going to help anyone.
2021-08-04 12:18:23	Foxboron	What this is about is packaging system configurations to be managed by pacman. This specifically is about seeding the user dotfiles in a package for system setup.
2021-08-04 12:18:32	Foxboron	Backup comes *after* and not part of this problem.
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2021-08-04 12:21:16	rcf	Letting the system package manager into $HOME is a terrifying prospect 
2021-08-04 12:21:45	Foxboron	rcf: I'm not letting it into $HOME. I want to use /etc/skel or a better directory and pass it to useradd
2021-08-04 12:22:00	rcf	Well that would make perfect sense then 
2021-08-04 12:22:01	Foxboron	after that point it's managed by git and it's a single-user system so I don't need to care about it beyond that
2021-08-04 12:22:22	Foxboron	pacman -S foxboron-system foxboron-dotfiles && useradd -u fox -s /usr/bin/zsh
2021-08-04 12:22:29	Foxboron	reboot, taddaaa system up and running
2021-08-04 12:22:46	rcf	That is an appealing solution actually 
2021-08-04 12:22:49	⚡ 	rcf steals
2021-08-04 12:23:01	Foxboron	earnestly has been doing it for *years* and I have followed
2021-08-04 12:23:08	Foxboron	https://github.com/Earnestly/pkgbuilds/tree/master/system-config
2021-08-04 12:23:14	Foxboron	https://github.com/Foxboron/PKGBUILDS/tree/master/foxboron-system
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2021-08-04 12:23:38	Foxboron	and I'm getting a new laptop today :)
2021-08-04 12:23:40	rcf	inb4 systemd-skeld comes along and breaks it 
2021-08-04 12:23:42	Foxboron	So time to experiment!
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2021-08-04 12:23:51	Foxboron	rcf: I was wondering if homed could be used to seed the system
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2021-08-04 12:24:25	rcf	I’m thinking it certainly could 
2021-08-04 12:24:42	rcf	And if this were multi-user that would probably be the way to go 
2021-08-04 12:24:59	lb9di	Foxboron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTGGqyD5TVo
2021-08-04 12:25:20	teraflops	Foxboron: I wish you do not get a thinkpad, terrible experiences with my last 2 ones
2021-08-04 12:25:30	Foxboron	teraflops: not a thinkpad
2021-08-04 12:25:33	teraflops	nice
2021-08-04 12:25:35	Foxboron	lb9di: it's being delivered by fedex, RIP
2021-08-04 12:28:49	jelle	thinkad is fine
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2021-08-04 12:28:57	Foxboron	A friend calls them stinkpads
2021-08-04 12:29:04	teraflops	lucky you jelle 
2021-08-04 12:29:13	jelle	just buy the real ones
2021-08-04 12:29:29	rcf	Foxboron: looks like you could keep a loopback file exclusively for seed purposes and then do a homectl resize afterward (a bit like embedded distros do with their sd cards)
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2021-08-04 12:29:47	Foxboron	rcf: yeah but then I need to make a loopback, I have a git repo
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2021-08-04 12:31:46	rcf	You could build it automatically in a container, though that’s likely approaching more effort than it’s worth if /etc/skel doesn’t bother you 
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2021-08-04 12:32:20	Foxboron	indeed
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2021-08-04 12:32:22	alad	Foxboron: that kind of approach is pretty common in user-friendly distros like xubuntu
2021-08-04 12:32:31	Foxboron	alad: This is FoxboronOS
2021-08-04 12:32:42	alad	:O
2021-08-04 12:32:55	alad	thinkpads suck
2021-08-04 12:33:03	alad	dumpsterpads are more appropriate nomenclature
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2021-08-04 12:33:36	rcf	alad: lies I have not found one in a dumpster yet 
2021-08-04 12:33:55	alad	lol
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2021-08-04 12:34:34	teraflops	I´m not a big fan of macos but I gabbed a macbook m1 and it performs just outstanding
2021-08-04 12:35:29	alad	teraflops: does gcc work on the M1 yet
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2021-08-04 12:36:43	teraflops	idk i went the secure path and used roseta for all the stuff
2021-08-04 12:37:00	teraflops	it works just right
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2021-08-04 12:37:37	teraflops	building llvm 9 rn btw
2021-08-04 12:38:04	jelle	llvm 9?
2021-08-04 12:38:06	earnestly	rcf: https://0x0.st/-49Z.sh (have another wip tool that creates a suggested tree based on mtime differences)
2021-08-04 12:38:13	jelle	9 sounds old :p
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2021-08-04 12:39:03	Foxboron	earnestly: but did you have a suggestion for my issue :)?
2021-08-04 12:39:11	teraflops	yep
2021-08-04 12:39:17	earnestly	Foxboron: I'll have to read
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2021-08-04 12:40:04	earnestly	Foxboron: Oh yeah, I try to avoid that problem by having home be a git repo and then make all my tools and such host/version/system agnostic
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2021-08-04 12:40:14	earnestly	So no system there
2021-08-04 12:40:20	Foxboron	earnestly: My home is a git repo, but it needs setup
2021-08-04 12:40:26	Foxboron	and I don't want to do a curl | bash for the initial setup
2021-08-04 12:40:31	Foxboron	home='git --work-tree=/home/fox --git-dir=/home/fox/.config/home.git'
2021-08-04 12:40:33	earnestly	I do git clone
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2021-08-04 12:40:58	Foxboron	Yeah I don't want my .git as top-level
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2021-08-04 12:41:44	alad	I just use symlinks tho ._.
2021-08-04 12:41:46	rcf	I keep my dot files repo separate from top level, though I keep it as platform-agnostic as possible to keep minimal setup requirements 
2021-08-04 12:42:24	earnestly	I leave that mostly alone to make it simpler.  The only thing I have to do is add * to info/exclude, which could be done with a .gitignore but eh.  Not the best
2021-08-04 12:42:49	Foxboron	earnestly: I have a veryvery fine ignore for the home stuff
2021-08-04 12:42:58	rcf	Escept for Windows, but there I’m using power shell so the extensions do the separation for me 
2021-08-04 12:45:21	earnestly	Foxboron: I ignore everything and use -f to add things explicitly. it does make `git clean' quite dangerous though
2021-08-04 12:45:41	Foxboron	earnestly: I have everything in a subdir with an alias
2021-08-04 12:45:44	Foxboron	and a seperate config and ignore file
2021-08-04 12:45:45	earnestly	(Its dry run mode does make it easy to list untracked files though)
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2021-08-04 12:45:54	boreq	Foxboron: shit why am I not doing this, I have a ton of symlinks
2021-08-04 12:45:58	boreq	I am stealing that command
2021-08-04 12:46:13	Foxboron	I like it as it doesn't take away from git clean and stuff, but makes it an explicit thing when you act on $HOME
2021-08-04 12:46:29	Foxboron	boreq: I stole it from a blog post, some gal wrote about it and I was mindblown
2021-08-04 12:46:31	earnestly	Yeah it sounds decent
2021-08-04 12:46:45	Foxboron	but it requires more setup, which is why I want to package it :)
2021-08-04 12:46:51	Foxboron	like two commands, but still!
2021-08-04 12:47:06	earnestly	Foxboron: I'd use /etc/skel then, if it's shell aliases anyway
2021-08-04 12:47:17	Foxboron	earnestly: it's everything, frankly
2021-08-04 12:47:22	Foxboron	entire /home/fox stuffed into /etc/skel
2021-08-04 12:47:30	Foxboron	it's a single user system... it should be fine? right?
2021-08-04 12:48:16	earnestly	The issues may come from integrating skel files with git tracking
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2021-08-04 12:48:53	Foxboron	it's just there to seed. It wont be actively used by anything else
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2021-08-04 12:49:51	rcf	 I mean in that case you can just set draconian permissions so that no other uid can see it even by accident 
2021-08-04 12:50:16	Foxboron	I don't even care, there is nothing secret there
2021-08-04 12:50:19	Foxboron	it's a public git repo!
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2021-08-04 12:51:56	earnestly	In a way this is what homed probably does resonably well
2021-08-04 12:52:13	Foxboron	earnestly: I should read a bit more up on this, frankly.
2021-08-04 12:52:23	Foxboron	but I'm not super keen on having it as a loop device thing
2021-08-04 12:55:15	earnestly	It seems to look for /home/$USER.homedir and then mount that depending on what it is (.identity), so it can be a simple directory, subvolume or network mounts.  If it's a disk image it wants /home/$USER.home instead
2021-08-04 12:55:33	earnestly	It appears to be a bind mount if it's just a directory
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2021-08-04 12:56:21	rcf	Foxboron: you could forgo the encryption and just use a plain directory as the backing storage apparently.
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2021-08-04 12:56:42	Foxboron	earnestly: hmmmmmm
2021-08-04 12:56:56	Foxboron	Okay, I'll read a bit on this. Probably use /etc/skel first today.
2021-08-04 12:57:04	earnestly	Try test with `homectl create' and see what it does
2021-08-04 12:57:09	Foxboron	It's not like this is going to be my main laptop anyway, can experiment a little bit
2021-08-04 12:57:19	earnestly	`homectl create testuser' *
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2021-08-04 12:58:17	earnestly	That might create a disk image though
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2021-08-04 12:59:06	Foxboron	earnestly: thanks, I'll try it :)
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2021-08-04 13:00:04	rcf	—storage=directory will take care of that 
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2021-08-04 13:03:17	earnestly	Although it is systemd there doesn't appear to be anything preventing homed from being reimplemented as standalone elsewhere
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2021-08-04 13:03:55	rcf	Indeed
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2021-08-04 13:27:26	Foxboron	earnestly: homectl also defaults to reading /etc/skel
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2021-08-04 14:33:25	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-08-04 14:33:25	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1267 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1266 normals)
2021-08-04 13:56:05	grawity	see console-mode in `man loader.conf`
2021-08-04 13:57:28	quitman	okay, thanks
2021-08-04 14:00:45	WinLinux1028	I can't cross compile to aarch64 using clang.
2021-08-04 14:00:52	WinLinux1028	the error:https://pastebin.com/GcCS8hAN
2021-08-04 14:00:53	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-49w.txt
2021-08-04 14:00:53	phrik	Title: [reimu@main log]$ clang -target aarch64-linux-gnu -fuse-ld=lld -v a.cclang ver - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-04 14:26:07	low-key	i was getting the firefox is already running error on wayland and followed the wiki's instructions and set the required environment variable but am still running into the error
2021-08-04 14:26:11	low-key	what might be the issue?
2021-08-04 14:30:51	coruja	low-key: please be more precise, which error, which environment variable and how did you set it?
2021-08-04 14:31:25	low-key	sorry, my bad
2021-08-04 14:31:27	low-key	Firefox is already running, but is not responding. To use Firefox, you must first close the existing Firefox process, restart your device, or use a different profile.
2021-08-04 14:31:29	low-key	this is the error
2021-08-04 14:31:43	low-key	this is the environment variable: MOZ_DBUS_REMOTE=1
2021-08-04 14:32:02	low-key	and this is where i set it: ~/.config/environment.d/envvars.conf
2021-08-04 14:33:04	low-key	i then quit my wayland session and restarted it
2021-08-04 14:33:18	low-key	and tried opening a link from neomutt and still got the exact same error as before
2021-08-04 14:33:25	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-04 14:34:09	coruja	is there still a firefox process running, and if so, have you tried to kill it?
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2021-08-04 14:38:19	low-key	i did end my entire wayland sesssion?
2021-08-04 14:39:04	coruja	and still the same error in the fresh wayland session?
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2021-08-04 14:41:46	coruja	(you said so at least)
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2021-08-04 14:49:51	low-key	yup
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2021-08-04 14:50:26	low-key	echo $MOZ_DBUS_REMOTE doesn't return anything though
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2021-08-04 14:54:29	coruja	if you refer to the firefox arch wiki page, did you mind the notes and links mentioned there, how to set environment variables for the session/xwayland (including MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND)?
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2021-08-04 14:55:49	coruja	(assuming it's a wayland session with xwayland enabled)
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2021-08-04 15:01:23	low-key	Yup
2021-08-04 15:01:48	low-key	I set it at envvars.conf
2021-08-04 15:02:11	low-key	When is the file read?
2021-08-04 15:02:23	low-key	I thought quitting the session and starting it again would source it
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2021-08-04 15:10:46	coruja	on the environment variable arch wiki page there is a warning saying that environment.d only affects systemd user services and is gdm specific behaviour
2021-08-04 15:11:29	low-key	oh, i missed that part
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2021-08-04 15:12:32	coruja	have you set MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND?
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2021-08-04 15:29:00	ℹ 	Miblo_ es conocido ahora como Miblo
2021-08-04 15:29:16	WinLinux1028	Can I ask you a question?
2021-08-04 15:30:16	NetSysFire	!ask
2021-08-04 15:30:17	phrik	Don't ask to ask, if anyone is here or alive, or uses something. Just ask, and we'll get moving along. Thanks.
2021-08-04 15:31:09	WinLinux1028	I wanted to cross-compile to aarch64 using clang, but it fails with an error.
2021-08-04 15:31:56	WinLinux1028	This is what the error says: https://pastebin.com/GcCS8hAN
2021-08-04 15:31:57	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-49w.txt
2021-08-04 15:31:57	phrik	Title: [reimu@main log]$ clang -target aarch64-linux-gnu -fuse-ld=lld -v a.cclang ver - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2021-08-04 15:37:47	Hello71	you need to install libc...
2021-08-04 15:38:12	Hello71	clang supports all targets by default but that is only useful if you generate freestanding code
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2021-08-04 15:38:45	WinLinux1028	I installed clang, gcc, and aarch64-linux-gnu-gcc.
2021-08-04 15:39:19	jonathon	Can confirm, you need `libc++` for compilation to succeed (replicated here)
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2021-08-04 15:39:45	jonathon	wait, no
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2021-08-04 15:39:59	jonathon	compilation still fails with the same error
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2021-08-04 15:40:46	WinLinux1028	You too?
2021-08-04 15:40:50	Hello71	libc++ is not libc
2021-08-04 15:41:09	⚡ 	jonathon is looking for libc
2021-08-04 15:41:19	Hello71	pacman -S aarch64\*; aarch64-linux-gnu-gcc test.c
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2021-08-04 15:41:57	jonathon	that's gcc rather than clang?
2021-08-04 15:42:17	WinLinux1028	Hello71: output: "error: target not found: aarch64*"
2021-08-04 15:43:07	Hello71	error: could not find "brain" in WinLinux1028 
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2021-08-04 15:44:10	NetSysFire	thats not very nice
2021-08-04 15:44:40	WinLinux1028	I'm not good at English, so this might be a little unnatural.
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2021-08-04 15:45:50	_cyphertite_	WinLinux1028:  relax, we speak English, and that last comment aimed at you was not fair 
2021-08-04 15:46:00	NetSysFire	yes it was very unfriendly
2021-08-04 15:47:22	jonathon	i have aarch64-linux-gnu-gcc, aarch64-linux-gnu-glibc, aarch64-linux-gnu-binutils, aarch64-linux-gnu-linux-api-headers installed. with a basic "hello world.c" file, cross-compilation with clang using the above command will fail, which either means something is missing, or the command is wrong
2021-08-04 15:47:42	earnestly	Hello71: it's regex rather than globs
2021-08-04 15:47:53	Hello71	:/
2021-08-04 15:47:55	WinLinux1028	I am a Japanese who is not good at English, but I write here with the help of a translator.
2021-08-04 15:47:56	WinLinux1028	I'm sorry for speaking such poor English.
2021-08-04 15:48:10	Foxboron	Hello71: use ".*" instead of "*"
2021-08-04 15:48:18	NetSysFire	WinLinux1028: relax, someone was just unfriendly. it wasnt your english
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2021-08-04 15:48:25	Foxboron	Hello71: but it should be noted that pacman append and prepend .* on the text
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2021-08-04 15:50:17	Foxboron	For NVMe drives, do people use lzo or zstd for btrfs compression?
2021-08-04 15:50:19	WinLinux1028	jonathon: I installed them too.
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2021-08-04 15:52:42	WinLinux1028	...Is it a bug?
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2021-08-04 15:59:54	Hello71	ok, i was wrong. the answer is install aarch64 gnu toolchain and then invoke clang --sysroot=/usr/aarch64-linux-gnu --target=aarch64-linux-gnu
2021-08-04 15:59:58	jonathon	it feels more like a missing compiler option
2021-08-04 16:00:04	jonathon	ah ha!
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2021-08-04 16:00:42	Hello71	i thought clang would learn the sysroot from gcc but apparently not
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2021-08-04 16:01:14	_cyphertite_	on my btrfs /, I've got both zstd and lzo installed.  zstd has many more 'Required by' package dependencies, and ofc, the added benefit of jelle being the Packager :D
2021-08-04 16:01:58	WinLinux1028	This problem did not occur in Debian, so I think it is probably specific to Arch Linux.
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2021-08-04 16:02:23	Hello71	debian does a lot of weird stuff related to multilib/multiarch
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2021-08-04 16:03:05	Foxboron	_cyphertite_: that doesn't matter for in-kernel compression
2021-08-04 16:03:24	Hello71	for example system libraries on all other distros are in /lib or /lib64 (or /usr/lib*) but debian puts them in /usr/x86_64-linux-gnu/lib
2021-08-04 16:03:24	_cyphertite_	k
2021-08-04 16:04:08	BrainDamage	kernel has its own internal compression libs
2021-08-04 16:04:33	Hello71	could be they patch clang to default sysroot /usr/target
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2021-08-04 16:06:32	WinLinux1028	In other words, do I have to manually specify the --sysroot option to cross-compile?
2021-08-04 16:07:11	Hello71	i think usually with clang you need to use --sysroot. gcc you "don't have to" because you have to recompile the whole gcc to change target
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2021-08-04 16:07:54	WinLinux1028	Thank you! It works!
2021-08-04 16:08:27	Hello71	np, sorry for being mean earlier
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2021-08-04 16:09:13	Hello71	i thought clang would autodetect the sysroot itself or from gcc
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2021-08-04 16:11:50	WinLinux1028	But when I cross-compile for x86_64-w64-mingw32, it succeeds to compile without --sysroot...
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2021-08-04 16:29:39	Hello71	with clang?
2021-08-04 16:29:39	WinLinux1028	Yes
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2021-08-04 16:29:39	WinLinux1028	https://pastebin.com/W8fBVdPt
2021-08-04 16:29:39	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-4pG.txt
2021-08-04 16:29:39	phrik	Title: [reimu@main log]$ clang -target x86_64-w64-mingw32 -fuse-ld=lld -v a.cclang ve - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2021-08-04 16:29:39	Hello71	could be clang detects that w64-mingw32 is inherently incompatible with current arch
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2021-08-04 16:29:39	Hello71	because if you compile e.g. i686-pc-linux-gnu then people expect it to search /usr/include
2021-08-04 16:29:39	Hello71	probably you would be better off asking llvm channel
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2021-08-04 16:29:39	WinLinux1028	Thank you:-[
2021-08-04 16:29:39	Hello71	arch doesn't add any cross compile patches to clang: https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/clang/trunk/PKGBUILD
2021-08-04 16:29:39	Hello71	why are you asking about this anyways? arch is not really the best distro for cross compiling
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2021-08-04 16:29:50	WinLinux1028	Debian was giving me errors when compiling to x86_64-w64-mingw32, so I was looking for a better distribution, and found Arch Linux.
2021-08-04 16:29:58	NetSysFire	!as
2021-08-04 16:29:59	phrik	Arch Sucks™
2021-08-04 16:30:25	thrice	That's honestly odd to hear, given that debian tries hard to run on tons of architectures, and arch is very specifically targetting 1
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2021-08-04 16:46:13	moonshine	gentoo is very well positioned to do compiling in any which way
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2021-08-04 17:11:05	mefistofeles	ice9: I guess it is as safe as any similar alternative... so, it's relatively safe in that sense
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2021-08-04 17:12:29	thrice	ice9: in theory, it depends who is providing the flatpak, like anything else.  But, it's probably low risk.  Just use your judgement
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2021-08-04 17:14:01	WinLinux1028	ice9: I think it's as safe as AUR.
2021-08-04 17:14:27	ℹ 	ayusta es conocido ahora como ayustae
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2021-08-04 17:14:51	thrice	a flatpak directly from the developer, of a popular application, hosted on their site?  Probably safe.  A random flatpak from a 4chan link?  meh
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2021-08-04 18:41:42	amahl	whenever my bluetooth mouse disconnects (idle timeout) and reconnects it resets ibus keyboard layout. way too annoying. no idea whats wrong or how to fix it. ibus is not supposed to interact with neither mice nor bluetooth, right?
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2021-08-04 18:55:48	masterkorp	Hello, I have created a unit on ~/.config/systemd/user/mytesr.service
2021-08-04 18:56:00	masterkorp	doing a systemctl daemon-reload 
2021-08-04 18:56:22	masterkorp	but systemctl --user list-units does not list such file 
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2021-08-04 18:59:29	masterkorp	any ideas? is there any config I need to do on systemd to read on that directory ? 
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2021-08-04 19:05:50	Namarrgon	systemctl --user daemon-reload
2021-08-04 19:06:04	Namarrgon	masterkorp: ^
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2021-08-04 19:12:48	masterkorp	hmm
2021-08-04 19:12:58	masterkorp	thank you, but its the same result
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2021-08-04 19:13:16	BrainDamage	can you start it?
2021-08-04 19:13:18	masterkorp	altough if I do systemctl --user status focus-mode.service its there 
2021-08-04 19:13:21	Namarrgon	do you see any errors realted to that unit in the user journal?
2021-08-04 19:13:30	Namarrgon	well, then systemd is aware of it
2021-08-04 19:13:41	masterkorp	then why does not list it ? 
2021-08-04 19:13:46	masterkorp	Is it drunk ? 
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2021-08-04 21:17:18	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-08-04 21:17:18	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1284 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1283 normals)
2021-08-04 19:13:58	BrainDamage	iirc it won't list it until you try to start it once
2021-08-04 19:14:23	Namarrgon	systemctl --user list-units --all
2021-08-04 19:14:27	masterkorp	!paste
2021-08-04 19:14:28	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-04 19:15:48	masterkorp	let me try and give as much as context as possible 
2021-08-04 19:17:13	masterkorp	I am have  "focus-mode" script that I do use on my laptop to disable distracting shit during the day, and I want to add a time to it, to enable focus-mode i run focus-mode on and to disable focus-mode off, I am trying to translate this into a systemd unit and timer, but I am failling, here is my code
2021-08-04 19:17:26	masterkorp	https://bpa.st/ELSA     <------
2021-08-04 19:17:27	phrik	Title: View paste ELSA (at bpa.st)
2021-08-04 19:17:41	masterkorp	So, i have some questions:
2021-08-04 19:18:08	masterkorp	How can I get a proper status of that script passed on to systemd 
2021-08-04 19:18:14	BrainDamage	you probably don't want simple
2021-08-04 19:18:23	BrainDamage	simple is for stuff that keeps running
2021-08-04 19:18:26	masterkorp	I am tried oneshot 
2021-08-04 19:18:32	BrainDamage	you want oneshot + remainafterexit
2021-08-04 19:18:58	masterkorp	hmm, maybe I am missing that remainthingie, let me check the documentation 
2021-08-04 19:22:24	masterkorp	BrainDamage thank you, that it exactly what I want
2021-08-04 19:23:09	masterkorp	Another question. can I have a timer that would have started in the moring and disabled at the end of the day ? 
2021-08-04 19:26:39	masterkorp	Namarrgon the --all also does not work, but systemctl --user list-unti-files   actually does, that is OK i guess
2021-08-04 19:32:58	FluxPeppermint	Hello, I have a problem where my bitmap fonts break whenever I open the Spotify app, and sometimes when i run pacman -Syu, and yay -S. Running fc-cache -frv fixes it every time, but then i also have to reopen the aplication using the font. Currently using the font in my gtk-3 settings.ini, polybar, alacritty, firefox
2021-08-04 19:33:19	FluxPeppermint	The fonts are Misc Tamsyn and TamzenForPowerline
2021-08-04 19:34:22	FluxPeppermint	also using the font in dmenu
2021-08-04 19:36:46	BrainDamage	sounds like font cache isn't refreshed for the user, which is no surprise since pacman deals with system files
2021-08-04 19:36:59	BrainDamage	create a package for those fonts and it should work
2021-08-04 19:37:44	FluxPeppermint	i got tamsyn through pacman, and tamzen through yay, are they already packacges then, or do i have to take further actions?
2021-08-04 19:38:26	BrainDamage	they should be
2021-08-04 19:38:47	BrainDamage	check pacman logs for the font cache rebuild hook events
2021-08-04 19:39:55	FluxPeppermint	i should read the /var/log/pacman.log file for things related to building fonts?
2021-08-04 19:41:02	BrainDamage	yes
2021-08-04 19:42:04	FluxPeppermint	does this put me on the right track
2021-08-04 19:42:08	FluxPeppermint	 ~ > $ cat /var/log/pacman.log | grep -i tamzen
2021-08-04 19:42:08	FluxPeppermint	[2021-07-08T14:32:49+0200] [PACMAN] Running 'pacman -U --noconfirm --config /etc/pacman.conf -- /home/cere/.cache/yay/tamzen-font/tamzen-font-1.11.5-1-any.pkg.tar.zst'
2021-08-04 19:42:08	FluxPeppermint	[2021-07-08T14:32:49+0200] [ALPM] installed tamzen-font (1.11.5-1)
2021-08-04 19:42:38	BrainDamage	no
2021-08-04 19:43:02	BrainDamage	you want the font cache rebuild messages
2021-08-04 19:43:11	BrainDamage	which is done through a hook
2021-08-04 19:44:05	FluxPeppermint	does the output of fc-cache -frv help?
2021-08-04 19:44:24	FluxPeppermint	i am not sure what a hook is, in this context
2021-08-04 19:46:50	FluxPeppermint	let me do a quick reboot
2021-08-04 19:48:38	FluxPeppermint	backkk
2021-08-04 19:48:57	FluxPeppermint	wanted to see if removing the gtk3 settings helped, since spotify kept breaking things
2021-08-04 19:48:59	FluxPeppermint	but it did not
2021-08-04 19:49:42	FluxPeppermint	hang on
2021-08-04 19:49:48	FluxPeppermint	i have no .fontconfig file
2021-08-04 19:49:56	FluxPeppermint	in my home directory
2021-08-04 19:50:20	FluxPeppermint	-NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via 
2021-08-04 19:50:24	FluxPeppermint	whoups
2021-08-04 19:50:30	FluxPeppermint	 ~ > $ fc-cache -frv
2021-08-04 19:50:30	FluxPeppermint	Font directories:
2021-08-04 19:50:30	FluxPeppermint		/home/cere/.local/share/fonts
2021-08-04 19:50:30	FluxPeppermint		/usr/local/share/fonts
2021-08-04 19:50:30	FluxPeppermint		/usr/share/fonts
2021-08-04 19:54:49	FluxPeppermint	okay i got the file hosted now: https://0x0.st/-4Oi.txt
2021-08-04 19:54:59	FluxPeppermint	that is the log of fc-cache -frv
2021-08-04 19:55:05	galeksandrp	Hi all. Is there pacman option to install missing dependencies (for example, dependencies deleted with pacman -Rdd)?
2021-08-04 20:06:05	masterkorp	Hello everyone
2021-08-04 20:06:43	masterkorp	when setting a timer, is there a specif way to tell if when I want the service to be enabled, but also when I want it disabled ?
2021-08-04 20:12:41	Namarrgon	galeksandrp: reinstall the package that pulls in the dependencies, there's no separate switch for that
2021-08-04 20:14:57	lb9di	galeksandrp: avoiding -dd to begin with is the best option
2021-08-04 20:15:13	thurstylark	masterkorp: timers aren't built to do that, really... what is your end goal?
2021-08-04 20:15:24	galeksandrp	Yes, you right. So much time has passed from when I used testdb last time, now It is pacman -Dk switch.
2021-08-04 20:15:25	thurstylark	might be a better path to what you're trying to accomplish
2021-08-04 20:16:04	masterkorp	thurstylark i have a focus mode service that when enabled blocks certain distracting websites, and when disabled I am free to do whatever
2021-08-04 20:16:09	masterkorp	I mean
2021-08-04 20:16:18	masterkorp	a cronjob can do that easily 
2021-08-04 20:16:27	masterkorp	you mean systemd does not cover it???
2021-08-04 20:17:12	thurstylark	Not directly, but there are ways around that https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/395231
2021-08-04 20:17:13	phrik	Title: scheduling - Start/stop a systemd.service at specific times - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2021-08-04 20:17:55	masterkorp	thurstylark thank you, my google fu was failing all I was getting was hot to stop a service or delete ot, I will read this 
2021-08-04 20:19:37	thurstylark	np, yeah, it's a hard needle to thread, that one :PO
2021-08-04 20:19:41	thurstylark	*:P
2021-08-04 20:22:04	masterkorp	Man this is this is so much overcomplicated than 2 cronjobs
2021-08-04 20:22:12	masterkorp	this is wjy people still it 
2021-08-04 20:22:29	masterkorp	I have to create 2 units and 2 timers conflicting with other 
2021-08-04 20:22:48	masterkorp	aind systemd supposed to be the most feature rich thing ever ?
2021-08-04 20:23:58	Namarrgon	why are you not using cron then?
2021-08-04 20:24:20	Namarrgon	systemd timers aren't supposed to replace it
2021-08-04 20:24:23	thurstylark	if the shoe fits, just wear it
2021-08-04 20:36:34	Zoddo	Hi, I have posted an issue in #archlinux-newbie yesterday and I was suggested to repost it here. Here is the log: https://0x0.st/-4Om.txt.   So, I have an issue with pulseaudio not working since the update to 15.0. The user's pulseaudio.service is running as shown by systemctl, but gnome-control-center doesn't list any output/input. "pactl show" return "Timeout" or "Connection refused" errors.
2021-08-04 20:36:43	Zoddo	My audio card is listed in lspci, and I have files in /dev/snd/. I downgraded pulseaudio to 14.2-3, but I still have the issue. I have found a bug (FS#71709) but I don't think it's related to my issue (the author fixed it temporarily by downgrading pulseaudio). The wiki doesn't really help me, the troubleshooting page is listing only very specific issues.
2021-08-04 20:36:44	Zoddo	I don't know what else I could do to troubleshoot this issue (I don't really know how pulseaudio works and how it integrates with other components).
2021-08-04 20:37:54	zbe	masterkorp, there is 'RuntimeMaxSec=' if you want service to stop/fail after x amount of time
2021-08-04 20:41:07	thurstylark	Zoddo: can you post the output of `ls -la /dev/sdn*` to a paste service?
2021-08-04 20:41:13	thurstylark	er
2021-08-04 20:41:26	thurstylark	s/sdn/snd/
2021-08-04 20:43:22	Zoddo	https://0x0.st/-4O1.txt
2021-08-04 20:46:56	Synthead	How do I prevent i3lock from locking the screen on i3 when I'm in a Zoom meeting?
2021-08-04 20:47:24	thurstylark	Zoddo: can you post the output from `journalctl -b` as well?
2021-08-04 20:48:29	Zoddo	sure. I'll just reboot before to reduce the size of the log (the computer is up since yesterday)
2021-08-04 20:48:37	thurstylark	big log is fine
2021-08-04 20:48:42	thurstylark	my grep works just fine
2021-08-04 20:48:56	thurstylark	actually...
2021-08-04 20:49:00	b-rex	Synthead: how are you running i3lock?
2021-08-04 20:49:56	Zoddo	Ok, so this is the big log :)  https://0x0.st/-4OL.txt
2021-08-04 20:51:36	Synthead	b-rex: my i3 config has this in it: exec --no-startup-id xss-lock -- $lock
2021-08-04 20:51:42	Synthead	and $lock is set $lock sh -c 'pgrep i3lock || i3lock -c 000000'
2021-08-04 20:53:29	b-rex	that's what i do i3lock doesn't get triggered for me when watching videos in chromium or mpv. you could always `xset s off` when running the chinese probation app
2021-08-04 20:54:08	Synthead	b-rex: actually, yeah, I wonder how i3lock ignores videos
2021-08-04 20:54:28	b-rex	xss-lock is watching for idle
2021-08-04 20:54:48	Synthead	what is "idle" ?
2021-08-04 20:54:52	b-rex	that's the question :)
2021-08-04 20:55:16	b-rex	the manpage says it uses the idle hint of your session
2021-08-04 20:56:55	baltazar	Zoddo: could you also paste `systemctl --user status pulseaudio\*`?  also, half of your log is unreadable because you have a non-english locale set :)
2021-08-04 20:57:19	Synthead	b-rex: interesting https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/lt0h1q/aur_package_xssproxy_to_inhibit_screensaver_via/
2021-08-04 20:57:25	b-rex	assuming the apps hint the session somehow to tell a login manager or locker not to trigger, i don't know the specifics of how that works.
2021-08-04 20:58:34	Zoddo	baltazar: https://0x0.st/-4OJ.txt
2021-08-04 20:59:01	b-rex	Synthead: good link. TIL :)
2021-08-04 20:59:11	Zoddo	yeah, sorry for the locale. I can provide the english version for a specific message if you want (or re-run something with LANG=C)
2021-08-04 20:59:39	Betal	the last 3 pastes are english, no?
2021-08-04 20:59:51	Synthead	b-rex: I'm going to do a little reading on this later
2021-08-04 20:59:56	Synthead	b-rex: thanks for the help!
2021-08-04 21:00:14	Zoddo	Betal: Some errors like "Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type" ("No such file or directory") are localized :) 
2021-08-04 21:00:42	thurstylark	Zoddo: it's alright, just assume every command that is requested should be prepended with LANG=C
2021-08-04 21:02:04	derzahl	anyone know if mkinitcpio-openswap can be used with a swapfile?  otherwise, i will need a another mkinitcpio hook that can run losetup on my swapfile and pass it off to openswap to decrypt it.  any suggestions on how to do this?
2021-08-04 21:04:02	baltazar	Zoddo: maybe a reboot would actually help, at least it seems like you already tried a couple things, and I feel like some of these logs don't represent the current state of your system anymore
2021-08-04 21:04:30	thurstylark	agreed
2021-08-04 21:04:43	baltazar	e.g. the latest log for pulseaudio.socket is `Failed with result 'service-start-limit-hit'.`, but clearly it is running as can be seen on the other thing you posted
2021-08-04 21:04:57	Zoddo	I'll do that :)
2021-08-04 21:05:15	baltazar	could you set your locale to english too?
2021-08-04 21:07:24	thurstylark	that's not necessary
2021-08-04 21:07:38	thurstylark	just prepend commands with LANG=C and it'll come out english
2021-08-04 21:07:45	thurstylark	no need to change locale config
2021-08-04 21:08:46	baltazar	thurstylark: if I understand correctly, even the output of pulseaudio that's automatically started by systemd user manager is non-english
2021-08-04 21:09:03	baltazar	I might be wrong tho
2021-08-04 21:09:44	Zoddo	Reboot done, here is the journal after ~2 minutes: https://0x0.st/-4O3.txt
2021-08-04 21:09:48	georgios	hello. i need to compare a dir and its backup. i also need to easily manipulate the results in order to exclude big portions of irrelevant files. files with data that is garbage anyway, or that can be replaced easily. there are about 4000 files that are not identical and i would prefer to make massive deletions
2021-08-04 21:10:02	Zoddo	bother pulseaudio.{service,socket} are "active (running)"
2021-08-04 21:10:05	Zoddo	both*
2021-08-04 21:10:06	thurstylark	georgios: rsync is your friend
2021-08-04 21:10:57	baltazar	Zoddo: well then, what is Échec lors de la connexion : Délai dépassé
2021-08-04 21:11:06	thurstylark	connection refused
2021-08-04 21:11:19	Zoddo	"Connection failure: Timeout"
2021-08-04 21:11:41	thurstylark	oh, it was another string that was connection refused
2021-08-04 21:11:48	⚡ 	thurstylark should learn french
2021-08-04 21:11:53	Zoddo	It does that for the first 30s after starting the socket, then any invocation to pactl returns:
2021-08-04 21:11:56	Zoddo	 ~  LANG=C pactl info
2021-08-04 21:11:56	Zoddo	Connection failure: Connection refused
2021-08-04 21:11:56	Zoddo	pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused
2021-08-04 21:13:00	baltazar	Zoddo: what do you see in /run/user/$UID/pulse/
2021-08-04 21:13:33	Zoddo	srw-rw-rw- 1 zoddo zoddo 0  4 août  21:05 native
2021-08-04 21:13:33	Zoddo	-rw------- 1 zoddo zoddo 5  4 août  21:13 pid
2021-08-04 21:14:00	georgios	thurstylark: atm i am dealing with data corruption. and i have to press "ok" each time i deliberately delete a dir
2021-08-04 21:14:25	georgios	maybe a diff commanf for a start?
2021-08-04 21:14:35	thurstylark	Zoddo: do you have a pulseaudio configuration in your ~ ? 
2021-08-04 21:14:50	thurstylark	I'm seeing people hit this issue with config errors
2021-08-04 21:15:23	Zoddo	default.pa contains one line: "load-module module-combine-sink"
2021-08-04 21:15:48	Zoddo	and I have the automatically generated cookie/*.tdb files
2021-08-04 21:16:06	Zoddo	("cookie" and "*.tbd")
2021-08-04 21:17:18	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-04 21:17:27	Zoddo	I should have said that I tried to temporarily rename the ~/.config/pulse/ directory yestarday but that didn't change anything
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2021-08-04 21:19:09	baltazar	Zoddo: welp. last thing I can think of is pa-info
2021-08-04 21:19:49	Betal	Zoddo: can you try another user? this solve any config issue if there is one
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2021-08-04 21:21:00	thurstylark	georgios: `diff -rq --exclude=<dir> <dirA> <dirB>` maybe? 
2021-08-04 21:21:22	Zoddo	baltazar: pa-info: https://0x0.st/-4OI.txt
2021-08-04 21:21:32	Zoddo	Betal: yes, I can try that
2021-08-04 21:22:22	baltazar	Zoddo: wait, so you stayed with the downgraded pulseaudio?
2021-08-04 21:22:35	Zoddo	yes
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2021-08-04 21:27:42	Zoddo	Betal: It works on a brand new user, so it looks like it's a config issue somewhere (outside ~/.config/pulse)...
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2021-08-04 21:28:00	thurstylark	I mean...
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2021-08-04 21:28:28	thurstylark	just move that dir in your own user so it's definitely not the problem, *then* declare that was the issue
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2021-08-04 21:28:49	thurstylark	because we really don't know that for sure yet
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2021-08-04 21:35:48	Zoddo	Ok so now I don't know where to hide myself... I already renamed that directory yesterday and it didn't fixed the issue. Retried now and pulseaudio works again.
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2021-08-04 21:36:06	ℹ 	artefact_ es conocido ahora como artefact
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2021-08-04 21:36:33	thurstylark	is this still version 14.2?
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2021-08-04 21:37:00	thurstylark	because it might be worthwhile to upgrade again and see if the fix sticks
2021-08-04 21:37:08	georgios	thurstylark: deletions need to be done after the diff , in order to avoid checking subdirs when there is no point. for example i came across a package build. instead of erasing 300 files one by one i erased the whole dir containing them. i hope i  have exlpained myself better this time
2021-08-04 21:37:41	thurstylark	georgios: back up a bit. Are you creating a backup folder from something like a failing hard drive, or what?
2021-08-04 21:38:11	Zoddo	check my console history, I've "start"'d the socket instead of "restart" it *facepalm*
2021-08-04 21:38:28	Zoddo	I'll upgrade it again
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2021-08-04 21:39:49	thurstylark	Zoddo: the service is the kingpin in that situation. the state of the socket just determines if the service can be started by attempting to connect to it. The service's state is what you should be restarting
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2021-08-04 21:40:45	Zoddo	stop/restarting the socket also stop the service, that's why I restarted the socket. But yes, I could just stop the service, and it will be started again by the socket
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2021-08-04 21:41:35	Zoddo	still works in 15.0 :) 
2021-08-04 21:41:57	thurstylark	neato
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2021-08-04 21:42:03	georgios	thurstylark: i am trying to rebuild my home dir and have already moved a lot of it, to the backup hdd. the fs is btrfs and is helpful but i need to compare what btrfs reads from the subvolume as opposed to mv and, as it proved best, dolphin
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2021-08-04 21:43:16	georgios	also there are a lot of files around that are different but maybe only due to age.
2021-08-04 21:43:23	Zoddo	Ok, so the issue is the "load-module module-combine-sink" in default.pa... which worked for months (I can reproduce)
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2021-08-04 21:44:46	georgios	in a few words i need to cherry-pick, but i want to avoid checking the content file by file. if a bunch of files are worthless i would prefer to through them away in oone move
2021-08-04 21:45:19	georgios	throw*
2021-08-04 21:45:23	thurstylark	Zoddo: start pulse without that config, and then try `pactl load-module module-combine-sink` Any change?
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2021-08-04 21:46:45	Zoddo	thurstylark: at runtime, the module loads without error and I see the combined output :^)
2021-08-04 21:46:52	Zoddo	the new combined output*
2021-08-04 21:47:09	thurstylark	huh
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2021-08-04 21:49:21	thurstylark	Zoddo: can you put the config back, stop the pulseaudio service, then run `pulseaudio -v` as your user? Might spit out some useful info
2021-08-04 21:49:28	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Getting_debug_output_from_pulseaudio
2021-08-04 21:49:30	phrik	Title: PulseAudio/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-04 21:54:03	pulec	anyone have time to test decode-dimms from i2c-tools?
2021-08-04 21:54:05	pulec	https://superuser.com/questions/519822/how-to-check-ram-timings-in-linux
2021-08-04 21:54:06	phrik	Title: memory - How to check RAM timings in linux? - Super User (at superuser.com)
2021-08-04 21:54:24	thurstylark	georgios: ok, now I'm leaning back to rsync... using --delete and --ignore-errors options together sounds like what you're trying to accomplish exactly
2021-08-04 21:54:33	pulec	I tried loading each kernel module seperatly and all of them and I still can't detect and ram
2021-08-04 21:54:40	pulec	b450 mobo with ddr4 btw
2021-08-04 21:54:54	jelle	pulec: dmidecode worked for me I think
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2021-08-04 21:55:40	fcn	georgios, are you looking for something for deduplication? did you check fdupes? I think it might be useful for your use case 
2021-08-04 21:56:03	pulec	jelle: yeah that works, thanks
2021-08-04 21:56:11	thurstylark	georgios: example here: https://apple.stackexchange.com/a/302369
2021-08-04 21:56:12	phrik	Title: Best way to copy all files, ignoring errors? - Ask Different (at apple.stackexchange.com)
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2021-08-04 21:57:04	Zoddo	thurstylark:  Nothing special when run manually. I also added the -v option in a systemd drop-in to see if there is any diffrence, and I get the exact same output from pulseaudio: https://0x0.st/-4VH.txt
2021-08-04 21:57:18	Zoddo	During this time I got "Connection refused" if I tried to use pactl
2021-08-04 21:58:36	Zoddo	Is it possible that the existance of ~/.config/pulse/default.pa somehow prevents /etc/pulse/default.pa from being used?
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2021-08-04 22:00:32	thurstylark	I mean yeah
2021-08-04 22:00:45	thurstylark	you're supposed to include the system default.pa at the top of your default.pa...
2021-08-04 22:00:55	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PulseAudio#default.pa
2021-08-04 22:00:56	phrik	Title: PulseAudio - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-04 22:01:51	ℹ 	Thymo es conocido ahora como Guenter
2021-08-04 22:02:00	thurstylark	so, the only thing that you're asking pulse to do is load a module, and with nothing else to do, it dies
2021-08-04 22:02:05	ℹ 	Guenter es conocido ahora como Thymo
2021-08-04 22:03:23	Zoddo	hmm... yes, it works with the include. So I don't understand how it worked before since this config was there for months :^)
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2021-08-04 22:05:47	Zoddo	I checked my oldest (~2 months old) snapshot and the exact same file (one line : load-module.....) was there
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2021-08-04 22:15:59	Zoddo	The more I dig, the less I understand...
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2021-08-04 22:15:59	Zoddo	Ok, I think this will remain a mystery. Thanks to anyone who helped to fix the issue! ;)
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2021-08-04 22:15:59	Zoddo	It's likely a chair-keyboard interface issue, as always :D
2021-08-04 22:15:59	ArabOrange	what in the world is a "chair-keyboard interface"
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2021-08-04 22:15:59	thurstylark	!pabcak
2021-08-04 22:15:59	phrik	thurstylark: The answer is 42.
2021-08-04 22:15:59	thurstylark	!pebcak
2021-08-04 22:15:59	phrik	http://arch.har-ikkje.net/gfx/pebcak.jpg
2021-08-04 22:15:59	ℹ 	Thymo es conocido ahora como Guenter
2021-08-04 22:15:59	thurstylark	could also be a PICNIC error...
2021-08-04 22:15:59	thurstylark	!picnic is <reply>Problem In Chair, Not In Computer
2021-08-04 22:15:59	phrik	thurstylark: Tada!
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2021-08-04 22:30:34	concrete-houses	Is there such a thing as free software multi factor authentication to CAC and PIV cards the feds use?
2021-08-04 22:31:05	concrete-houses	or is this a tightl knot fo vendor proprietary goodness I have nightmares of okta verify which I am not sure is still gone from my phone 
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2021-08-04 22:31:15	mingdao	Also could be Layer 8.
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2021-08-04 22:31:59	tsal	Can anybody think of a reason why I can mount an SMB share just fine with gvfs-smb but when I try to do it through mount -t cifs it only shows empty top level directories?
2021-08-04 22:33:39	thurstylark	!give concrete-houses aw csc
2021-08-04 22:33:40	phrik	concrete-houses: No results found.
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2021-08-04 22:34:44	thurstylark	!aw common access card
2021-08-04 22:34:45	phrik	thurstylark: Common Access Card - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Common_Access_Card
2021-08-04 22:34:52	thurstylark	come on, phrik
2021-08-04 22:34:57	thurstylark	!aw Csc
2021-08-04 22:34:58	phrik	thurstylark: No results found.
2021-08-04 22:35:15	NetSysFire	thurstylark: its not phrik
2021-08-04 22:35:20	NetSysFire	feel free to create a redirect
2021-08-04 22:35:31	thurstylark	but it works fine in search..
2021-08-04 22:35:36	thurstylark	it needs a redirect page?
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2021-08-04 22:35:56	thurstylark	wait
2021-08-04 22:35:58	NetSysFire	yes
2021-08-04 22:35:59	⚡ 	thurstylark is a dumbass
2021-08-04 22:36:04	thurstylark	!aw cac
2021-08-04 22:36:05	phrik	thurstylark: CAC - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/CAC
2021-08-04 22:36:17	NetSysFire	lol
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2021-08-04 22:37:01	thurstylark	cec is something else that I deal with commonly, so brain went "hell yeah, that'll do"
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2021-08-04 22:40:01	thurstylark	tsal: what is the full mount command that you used?
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2021-08-04 22:41:21	tsal	thurstylark, "mount -t cifs -o username=borg,vers=2.0 //PATH_TO_SHARE/FOLDER/ /mnt/"
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2021-08-04 22:43:22	tsal	It is strange really. It used to work, and one day stopped working overnight
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2021-08-04 22:43:34	thurstylark	tsal: same username you used with gvfs-smb?
2021-08-04 22:43:52	tsal	thurstylark: Yep
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2021-08-04 22:48:15	concrete-houses	I guess there is an exec order forcing 2 factor on the feds
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2021-08-04 22:48:26	concrete-houses	interesting
2021-08-04 22:48:47	thurstylark	that wouldn't surprise me at all
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2021-08-04 22:49:20	thurstylark	*not* enforcing 2FA would be more surprising to me, really :P
2021-08-04 22:49:36	concrete-houses	so headhunter asking me is like well they expect you to provide full solution and I am like well which of the dozens of 2factor vendors have been chosen or are they looking to me
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2021-08-04 22:50:02	concrete-houses	also I hate word resume and they seem unable to open HTML resume in a browser
2021-08-04 22:50:30	concrete-houses	I just reinstalled libreoffice-fresh barf
2021-08-04 22:50:42	concrete-houses	I should be like no way just read the HTML resume 
2021-08-04 22:50:48	concrete-houses	open in browser
2021-08-04 22:51:01	concrete-houses	why are industries like this?
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2021-08-04 22:51:48	concrete-houses	Well 2FA assumes 1 have smartphone 2 are willing to be tracked by it    and promotes idea we say thats ok
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2021-08-04 22:53:41	concrete-houses	I want to get the money accenture charges not learn this stuff and have them and recruiter be middlemen getting the cheese am I insane?
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2021-08-04 22:54:12	concrete-houses	Be fun to call Okta and get a quote just to see kind of money invovled in this kind of solution.
2021-08-04 22:55:03	thurstylark	phones aren't the only hardware that is capable of generating a mfa token
2021-08-04 22:55:49	concrete-houses	one seminar I am browsing says CAC and PIV are old things and are giving way to digital PIV as better solution 
2021-08-04 22:56:25	concrete-houses	is this all really a ssh key ? what is this token? is that some kind of auth prootcall?
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2021-08-04 22:57:51	post-factum	telegram-desktop: error while loading shared libraries: libtg_owt.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2021-08-04 22:57:53	post-factum	awesome
2021-08-04 22:58:17	post-factum	svenstaro: ^^
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2021-08-04 22:59:49	post-factum	libtg_owt is a statically linked library
2021-08-04 23:00:00	post-factum	no wonder there's no .so
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2021-08-04 23:08:59	post-factum	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/71731
2021-08-04 23:08:59	phrik	Title: FS#71731 : [telegram-desktop] The app cannot be launched any more (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-04 23:08:59	thurstylark	!give post-factum bug 71730
2021-08-04 23:08:59	phrik	post-factum: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/71730
2021-08-04 23:08:59	thurstylark	so close!
2021-08-04 23:08:59	post-factum	crap
2021-08-04 23:08:59	thurstylark	lol
2021-08-04 23:08:59	thurstylark	it'll get cleaned up pretty quick
2021-08-04 23:08:59	post-factum	1 min faster
2021-08-04 23:08:59	thurstylark	as soon as the bug bot catches up :P
2021-08-04 23:08:59	post-factum	my report is formatted nicer though 😛
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2021-08-04 23:09:09	thurstylark	Maybe also reference it in 71542
2021-08-04 23:09:55	thurstylark	apparently that's the bug that triggered this change, and it's still open
2021-08-04 23:09:57	svenstaro	fixed
2021-08-04 23:10:01	thurstylark	\o/
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2021-08-04 23:11:35	post-factum	nice thx
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2021-08-04 23:15:50	phrik	concrete-houses: No results found.
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2021-08-04 23:16:10	phrik	concrete-houses: No results found.
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2021-08-04 23:23:35	thurstylark	tsal: kind of a stab in the dark, but any change if you drop the vers= option? default is to negotiate with the server for the highest supported version
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2021-08-04 23:26:21	tsal	thurstylark: Nope, same behaviour unfortunately.
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2021-08-04 23:27:13	tsal	It could be quite possible, that the server itself is screwy. It is not a samba server but a provider provided router box (Fritzbox)
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2021-08-04 23:27:42	thurstylark	oh, yeah, I'd bet the server is doing something screwy in that case
2021-08-04 23:27:47	tsal	Still does not explain why gfvs-smb does not have a problem with it
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2021-08-04 23:28:08	tsal	I wish I could see the mount options it uses.
2021-08-04 23:28:38	thurstylark	The main difference I can find is that gvfs-smb uses libsmbclient, and may default to a different smb protocol version than mount.cifs
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2021-08-04 23:30:36	tsal	I think I'll try reformating the stick as fat32 instead of ext4, it is probably more well tested
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2021-08-04 23:40:51	tsal	nope, changing to FAT32 didn't help. Same thing :(
2021-08-04 23:41:47	tsal	Hmm... What are my options? Trying to sniff the exchange with wireshark for gvfs-smb and mount.cifs and comparing them?
2021-08-04 23:42:05	grawity	concrete-houses: as it happens, the CAC/PIV protocol is probably the *least* proprietary of all smartcard things
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2021-08-04 23:42:39	grawity	concrete-houses: it's originally military but it has a proper public spec, which is why yubikey etc emulate a CAC card and not something else
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2021-08-04 23:43:21	grawity	concrete-houses: while most other smartcard types (well except for openpgp cards) are extremely proprietary
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2021-08-04 23:44:49	grawity	but most of them at least have a closed-source library for linux so it works anyway, sorta
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2021-08-04 23:45:29	tsal	thurstylark: !!! Success! 
2021-08-04 23:46:12	thurstylark	nice! what did it for you?
2021-08-04 23:46:16	tsal	Turns out I had to write the path as //PATH_TO_SHARE/FOLDER and not as //PATH_TO_SHARE/FOLDER/
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2021-08-05 00:29:17	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-05 00:43:38	ice9	where gnome calendar stores the events (data) on disk?
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2021-08-05 00:49:06	coruja	https://askubuntu.com/questions/1272730/in-what-file-does-gnome-calendar-store-calendar-events
2021-08-05 00:49:07	phrik	Title: In what file does gnome-calendar store calendar events? - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
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2021-08-05 00:53:20	⚡ 	pulec asks lazy questions because he is too indisposed at the moment to go search through wiki
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2021-08-05 00:53:26	pulec	well in fact I am not sure what to enter to search it even
2021-08-05 00:53:35	pulec	I am asking about the "file open dialogues"
2021-08-05 00:53:43	pulec	what determines it? where is the default?
2021-08-05 00:53:48	pulec	it is some xdg- thing?
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2021-08-05 00:56:42	pulec	I am fine with mine but I am not even sure what package is it
2021-08-05 00:56:55	pulec	only thing I am missing is would be to show hidden folders (.) as default
2021-08-05 00:58:20	derzahl	hm, so ive got an encrypted swap partition i want to use for hibernate. I would like to use a keyfile stored on my encrypted ZFS root.  But even though i have the openswap initcpio hook after zfs, it looks like the "filesystems" hook is what actually unlocks my ZFS root?  because im not getting a prompt enter the passphrase until after the zfs, encrypt,openswap, and resume hooks have run. weird
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2021-08-05 01:02:08	coruja	pulec: if i got you right, it depends on the file chooser and its settings of the ui toolkit used by the app
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2021-08-05 01:02:51	coruja	for gtk apps, one may configure it by using gesettings for instance
2021-08-05 01:02:59	coruja	gsettings
2021-08-05 01:03:02	pulec	oh I guess gtk is good way to look for
2021-08-05 01:03:09	pulec	yeah I mostly get those dialogues via firefox
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2021-08-05 09:51:17	ℹ 	Tema establecido por Namarrgon (~Namarrgon@archlinux/op/Namarrgon) el mié, 09 jun 2021 12:27:05
2021-08-05 09:51:17	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1243 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1242 normals)
2021-08-05 09:51:19	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-05 09:51:21	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2021-08-05 09:51:21	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-05 10:06:28	fructose	I did a makepkg on the AUR linux-beacon package and restarted with the new kernel, whereupon I'm told Light DM failed and the X.org log begins by saying the intel, fbdev, and vesa modules don't exist. Did I do something wrong?
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2021-08-05 10:08:49	thursdaylark	those are probably fine. Can you post the whole log to a paste service?
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2021-08-05 10:14:57	fructose	Well, I suspect I did something wrong since this is my first attempt with makepkg or anything from AUR. The log follows by saying /dev/dri/card0 doesn't exist and that device(s) were detected, but didn't match the config. I avoid uploading logs I don't know how to sanitize
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2021-08-05 10:17:05	Namarrgon	we will use your HDD's serial-number to track you down and loot your fridge
2021-08-05 10:17:40	fructose	A HDD serial number could lead you to a CVE or something, technically
2021-08-05 10:18:09	Namarrgon	we know which OS you run already, we don't need any CVEs in your HDD firmware
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2021-08-05 10:22:41	fructose	I can't think of any reason that would true, but you're welcome to explain I suppose
2021-08-05 10:23:36	Namarrgon	you need to provide more information if you want help
2021-08-05 10:23:49	stecx	just installed arch, so the output of any command too big for screen will give me page at a time
2021-08-05 10:23:58	stecx	without piping through less each time
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2021-08-05 10:24:14	Namarrgon	on the linux console?
2021-08-05 10:24:19	stecx	yep
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2021-08-05 10:24:33	Namarrgon	if you don't want to use a pager then there are tmux/screen that provide a scrollback buffer
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2021-08-05 10:24:45	fructose	Namarrgon: If I don't provide enough information, just don't help. No need to lie about security risks
2021-08-05 10:25:02	Namarrgon	fructose: i didn't lie about anything
2021-08-05 10:25:08	stecx	sry my original question wasnt worded correctly but yes
2021-08-05 10:25:17	ℹ 	Jupelius_ es conocido ahora como Jupelius
2021-08-05 10:25:21	fructose	Namarrgon: That's not how it looks to me, but you didn't explain
2021-08-05 10:25:30	Namarrgon	fructose: explain what?
2021-08-05 10:25:46	stecx	so for instance if i use screen/tmux and then say iwd --help it will auto just show first page?
2021-08-05 10:25:57	Namarrgon	fructose: i was merely trying to explain to you that your paranoia is misplaced
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2021-08-05 10:26:56	Namarrgon	fructose: we know all the software you're running in which version and we have a matching list of exploitable bugs, so worrying about the dmesg output is a bit weird
2021-08-05 10:27:18	Namarrgon	stecx: "it"?
2021-08-05 10:27:51	jmcantrell	i followed the wiki page for setting up libvirtd. as far as i can tell, the virtual network is up. i have a vm running archiso, but it does not get an ip. can anyone help me diagnose this?
2021-08-05 10:27:54	stecx	screen/tmuc
2021-08-05 10:27:56	stecx	screen/tmux
2021-08-05 10:27:56	fructose	Namarrgon: I don't think you all know the software I'm running.
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2021-08-05 10:28:26	Namarrgon	stecx: no, they will act like a regular terminal but have an optionala scrollback buffer you can use when needed
2021-08-05 10:28:33	fructose	Namarrgon: And even if you did, it wouldn't make hardware vulnerabilities irrelevant
2021-08-05 10:28:41	Namarrgon	fructose: alright
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2021-08-05 10:28:51	stecx	ok thxs, i ll give it a go
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2021-08-05 10:29:09	ℹ 	dragestil es conocido ahora como dragestil-bot
2021-08-05 10:29:37	Namarrgon	jmcantrell: what kind of network configuration did you set for the wm? nat? bridge?
2021-08-05 10:29:42	Namarrgon	*vm
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2021-08-05 10:30:24	jmcantrell	Namarrgon: nat
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2021-08-05 10:30:42	Namarrgon	jmcantrell: did you look for the required opt-deps for nat?
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2021-08-05 10:31:17	jmcantrell	Namarrgon: how can i see what those are?
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2021-08-05 10:31:33	Namarrgon	"pacman -Qi libvirt" though i assume the wiki also lists them
2021-08-05 10:31:52	fructose	Namarrgon: Where can I get this list of exploitable bugs though?
2021-08-05 10:31:54	jmcantrell	sec
2021-08-05 10:32:10	Namarrgon	fructose: https://security.archlinux.org/
2021-08-05 10:32:12	phrik	Title: Vulnerable issues - Arch Linux (at security.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-05 10:33:31	mpan	fructose: or install arch-audit, which will provide information filtered by what’s installed on your system.
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2021-08-05 10:38:16	jmcantrell	Namarrgon: oh right, i have dnsmasq and iptables-nft
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2021-08-05 10:38:16	Namarrgon	the latter provides ebtables?
2021-08-05 10:38:16	fructose	I'm confused, Namarrgon said you already all have the list. I wanted the list you all have already
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2021-08-05 10:38:16	mpan	fructose: do you want help or are you trolling? My reservoir of giving the benefit of doubt is emptying, dunno about other people…
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2021-08-05 10:38:16	jmcantrell	Namarrgon: yes
2021-08-05 10:38:16	fructose	mpan: Sorry, what makes you think I'm the one that lead us here?
2021-08-05 10:38:16	Namarrgon	i regret everything...
2021-08-05 10:38:16	Namarrgon	jmcantrell: find the vm's log
2021-08-05 10:38:16	fructose	I asked for help, I didn't want to provide complete system logs, and then I've just been trying to figure out what I'm being told
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2021-08-05 10:38:16	Namarrgon	fructose: without the logs or any similar information we can't help you
2021-08-05 10:38:16	fructose	Namarrgon: Great, then don't help and don't lie
2021-08-05 10:38:16	Namarrgon	...
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2021-08-05 10:39:46	jmcantrell	Namarrgon: ok, got it
2021-08-05 10:40:07	Namarrgon	you found the logs or you found the problem?
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2021-08-05 10:40:29	jmcantrell	Namarrgon: the logs
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2021-08-05 10:59:22	Helenah	How do I fix this conflict: https://termbin.com/21rm
2021-08-05 10:59:58	Helenah	I'm going to attempt removal and try re-installing qutebrowser.
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2021-08-05 11:00:37	Helenah	It looks like those were installed via pip maybe.
2021-08-05 11:00:47	jmcantre1	Namarrgon: do you think it matters that i'm using nftables instead of iptables?
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2021-08-05 11:01:13	jmcantrell	Namarrgon: over here now :)
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2021-08-05 11:20:33	Namarrgon	Helenah: either it's a corrupted db or you installed them manually
2021-08-05 11:20:58	Namarrgon	--overwrite
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2021-08-05 11:32:23	Helenah	Fixed
2021-08-05 11:53:04	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-05 12:22:38	GuiToris	hello, do you think I can split chromium (vertically) without addons?
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2021-08-05 12:25:39	ℹ 	caveman es conocido ahora como testtesttest
2021-08-05 12:25:55	ℹ 	testtesttest es conocido ahora como caveman
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2021-08-05 12:28:25	thrice	not that I can spot in the UI
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2021-08-05 12:31:50	GuiToris	thanks, I'll try one of the extensions then
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2021-08-05 12:34:59	tirnanog	try vivaldi if you need that capability.
2021-08-05 12:34:59	tirnanog	alternatively, break out the applicable tab and be using a DE/WM that makes it easy to snap windows in that fashion.
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2021-08-05 12:42:24	klf	How do I identify all the currently connected  X11 monitors via the command line?
2021-08-05 12:43:04	klf	`xrandr --listmonitors` only lists them if they're already properly configured in xorg.conf
2021-08-05 12:44:02	klf	for example, at the moment, X recognizes my three monitors as DP-1, HDMI-0 and DVI-I-1
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2021-08-05 12:44:59	Namarrgon	is this an optimus system?
2021-08-05 12:45:35	klf	what do you mean?
2021-08-05 12:45:53	Namarrgon	is this on a laptop with integrated+discrete gpu?
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2021-08-05 12:47:08	klf	nope.  This is a desktop computer with discrete gpu only.  I want to know if there's a command that does the following:
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2021-08-05 12:47:53	klf	x_ctl_cmd --listmonitors
2021-08-05 12:48:11	Namarrgon	xrandr should already do that
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2021-08-05 12:48:18	Namarrgon	without the need for xorg configs
2021-08-05 12:48:32	Namarrgon	if anything then your xorg configs might get in the way
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2021-08-05 12:51:17	klf	okay, here's a good point where I should pastebin the relevant line in my xorg.conf and described what changed in my system that leads to my inquiry.
2021-08-05 12:51:59	Namarrgon	it wouldn't hurt :)
2021-08-05 12:52:41	klf	in fact, the more sane thing to do is just pastebin the entire xorg.conf and turn your attention to a specific/relevant line.
2021-08-05 12:52:44	klf	:-)
2021-08-05 12:53:08	klf	http://codepad.org/ZziVKUZD
2021-08-05 12:53:09	phrik	Title: Plain Text code - 71 lines - codepad (at codepad.org)
2021-08-05 12:53:22	klf	changes made recently are lines 62-63
2021-08-05 12:53:48	klf	I basically switched my monitor from HDMI port to DVI-D-0 port
2021-08-05 12:53:50	klf	that's all
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2021-08-05 12:54:19	klf	I apologize, the lines are 63 and 64
2021-08-05 12:54:37	klf	the problem is resolved now
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2021-08-05 12:55:37	klf	But in order for me to identify that the X11 ID for the DVI-D port is "DVI-D-0", I had to consult the gui 'nvidia-settings'
2021-08-05 12:56:44	klf	I was only able to change make the change on line 64 after I get the X11 monitor port ID ("DVI-D-0") in this case
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2021-08-05 12:57:14	lb9di	xrandr will list the names too
2021-08-05 12:57:33	klf	I too thought xrandr --listmonitors would, but it didn't list "DVI-D-0"
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2021-08-05 12:58:20	Namarrgon	the driver can interfere, especially when you use xineram it may hide how many displays are actually connected to the system
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2021-08-05 12:58:44	Namarrgon	e.g. it could report one big display instead of two smaller ones
2021-08-05 12:58:55	masterkorp	Hello everyone
2021-08-05 12:59:10	masterkorp	Can you help me with a systemd timer that is not executing ? https://bpa.st/CYAA 
2021-08-05 12:59:11	phrik	Title: View paste CYAA (at bpa.st)
2021-08-05 12:59:42	masterkorp	also, should not when listting the timers the  next time for it to be exected be listed ? 
2021-08-05 12:59:47	NetSysFire	did you systemctl start the timer
2021-08-05 12:59:54	NetSysFire	or enable --now?
2021-08-05 13:00:03	klf	well... it was able to identify all but one.  While the problem has been resolved but I'd like to investigate.  I will now revert back to the old version of xorg.conf (i.e.,  uncomment line 63 and delete line 64) and try again.
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2021-08-05 13:00:17	klf	I'll brb. Thanks boys (and gals)
2021-08-05 13:00:18	masterkorp	NetSysFire I did enable it 
2021-08-05 13:00:27	NetSysFire	but did you start it?
2021-08-05 13:00:46	masterkorp	no
2021-08-05 13:00:53	masterkorp	I am so silly 
2021-08-05 13:00:57	NetSysFire	!next
2021-08-05 13:00:58	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2021-08-05 13:01:12	Namarrgon	klf: if the original was generated by the nvidia utils then it might be time to get a fresh copy
2021-08-05 13:01:17	NetSysFire	they already left
2021-08-05 13:01:21	NetSysFire	you are too slow
2021-08-05 13:01:35	Namarrgon	i'm too fast, they haven't rejoined yet
2021-08-05 13:01:57	masterkorp	-> % systemctl --user list-timers --all
2021-08-05 13:01:57	masterkorp	NEXT                         LEFT          LAST PASSED UNIT                 ACTIVATES
2021-08-05 13:01:57	masterkorp	Thu 2021-08-05 17:30:00 WEST 5h 28min left n/a  n/a    focus-mode-off.timer focus-mode-off.service
2021-08-05 13:01:57	masterkorp	Fri 2021-08-06 09:45:00 WEST 21h left      n/a  n/a    focus-mode.timer     focus-mode.service
2021-08-05 13:02:03	masterkorp	now it makes sense
2021-08-05 13:02:15	ℹ 	lb9di es conocido ahora como evilop
2021-08-05 13:02:55	masterkorp	Another question
2021-08-05 13:03:00	NetSysFire	oh no
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2021-08-05 13:03:52	masterkorp	what is limit to let it activate ? 
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2021-08-05 13:04:12	NetSysFire	what do you mean by that?
2021-08-05 13:04:58	masterkorp	Hmm, lets say, on a timer, If boot my computer  after 9:45 what is the time limit where I set the delay for it to be allowed to start ? 
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2021-08-05 13:05:33	NetSysFire	!give masterkorp man systemd.timer
2021-08-05 13:05:34	phrik	masterkorp: https://man.archlinux.org/man/systemd.timer#
2021-08-05 13:05:40	NetSysFire	there are several directives which can introduce delay
2021-08-05 13:05:52	NetSysFire	oh i think you want Persistent=true
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2021-08-05 13:06:22	masterkorp	yeah I have that, so its what I want I guess
2021-08-05 13:06:37	masterkorp	from reading the man pages I got that impression 
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2021-08-05 13:08:58	divoid	Is there any way to find the time and date that a package was last upgraded?
2021-08-05 13:09:06	NetSysFire	pacman -Qi
2021-08-05 13:09:13	NetSysFire	!give divoid aw pacman/rosetta
2021-08-05 13:09:14	phrik	divoid: Pacman/Rosetta - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Rosetta
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2021-08-05 13:10:05	masterkorp	yeah I have that, so that seens to be it, I will test it tomorrow, thank you for your help NetSysFire
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2021-08-05 14:27:14	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1276 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1275 normals)
2021-08-05 13:42:11	redj	hi, is it possible to easily make a lib32-gcc10-libs package?
2021-08-05 13:42:23	DerpGusta_	Namarrgon: just wanted to thank you for your service!
2021-08-05 13:42:27	klf	Namarrgon: you are right; xrandr reports all connected monitors when I moved xorg.conf
2021-08-05 13:42:33	klf	06:58 < Namarrgon> the driver can interfere, especially when you use xineram it may hide how many displays are actually connected to the system
2021-08-05 13:42:43	klf	so I am just going to assume that's the issue.
2021-08-05 13:43:09	klf	¯\(ツ)/¯
2021-08-05 13:44:23	Namarrgon	klf: magic!
2021-08-05 13:44:34	Namarrgon	DerpGusta_: i didn't do nothing not
2021-08-05 13:44:38	klf	I will live with that for the near future as I need driver-specific support.  e.g. ForceFullCompositionPipeLine
2021-08-05 13:45:01	Namarrgon	redj: for some definition of easy. there isn't one in the AUR?
2021-08-05 13:45:06	klf	w/o it, the experience is less than optimal.
2021-08-05 13:45:43	redj	Namarrgon: can I use https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/lib32-gcc-libs-git/ and roll back to bersion 10?
2021-08-05 13:45:44	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - lib32-gcc-libs-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-08-05 13:46:25	Namarrgon	redj: that would be one way. you can also checkout the old officia lib32-gcc-libs package and adapt it.
2021-08-05 13:46:30	bionade24	Hello after updating linux and initramfs there was this line in pacman's output: "Konnte execv nicht aufrufen (Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden)" What is execv?
2021-08-05 13:47:02	Namarrgon	bionade24: "man 3 execv"
2021-08-05 13:47:12	Namarrgon	in which context did it appear?
2021-08-05 13:49:19	GuiToris	my guest OS was suspended and the time remained in the past. Is there a command that could update the time?
2021-08-05 13:49:28	bionade24	Namarrgon: https://bpa.st/5A3Q
2021-08-05 13:49:29	phrik	Title: View paste 5A3Q (at bpa.st)
2021-08-05 13:50:12	Namarrgon	bionade24: there's no 'execv' in there, did you forget to redirect stderr?
2021-08-05 13:50:14	bionade24	Namarrgon: Seems like I don't have execv, so I couldn't find any manpage or the execv command. But this is a new issue.
2021-08-05 13:50:52	Namarrgon	looks like you posted only half the output
2021-08-05 13:51:00	Namarrgon	you do have "execv", it's not a binary
2021-08-05 13:51:21	Namarrgon	something tried to execute something else but could find it
2021-08-05 13:51:46	Namarrgon	*couldn't
2021-08-05 13:52:12	bionade24	Namarrgon: Sorry tmux fucked up: https://bpa.st/6AAA   I don't have man 3 execv either
2021-08-05 13:52:13	phrik	Title: View paste 6AAA (at bpa.st)
2021-08-05 13:52:34	Namarrgon	pacman -Q man-pages
2021-08-05 13:53:13	bionade24	Namarrgon: that was missing,
2021-08-05 13:53:51	Namarrgon	grep systemd-boot /usr/share/libalpm/hooks/*
2021-08-05 13:54:43	bionade24	Namarrgon: No matches
2021-08-05 13:55:05	Namarrgon	what is in /etc/pacman.d/hooks?
2021-08-05 13:56:52	bionade24	Namarrgon: My broken hook attempt. didn't have time to investigate yet http://ix.io/3v3O
2021-08-05 13:57:34	Namarrgon	do you see the potential problem?
2021-08-05 14:05:01	cdrp	anyone on GM45 + Plasma + Mesa 21.2? Does enabling crocus enable OpenGL 2 (and proper blur in plasma panels)? last time i tried a git master build, i could not get that to work
2021-08-05 14:05:48	cdrp	currently i have ubuntu on that pc so don't want to test
2021-08-05 14:08:55	bionade24	Namarrgon: Is it caused by the objcopy thing? Is there any relative path I haven't seen?
2021-08-05 14:19:32	bionade24	Namarrgon: I don't get it.
2021-08-05 14:20:56	baltazar	bionade24: just guessing, but maybe you have to specify /usr/bin/objcopy
2021-08-05 14:24:07	Foxboron	bionade24: https://github.com/archlinux/mkinitcpio/pull/53
2021-08-05 14:24:19	Foxboron	bionade24: I can upload my package with the patches applied if you want to try it out
2021-08-05 14:25:05	Namarrgon	bionade24: do you have objcopy installed?
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2021-08-05 14:27:57	LordRishav	Hello World
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2021-08-05 14:29:16	bionade24	Foxboron: that would be really nice
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2021-08-05 14:29:29	bionade24	Namarrgon: baltazar I have, executing in manually for now
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2021-08-05 14:31:39	Foxboron	bionade24: https://pkgbuild.com/~foxboron/repos/loose-pkgs/
2021-08-05 14:31:40	phrik	Title: Index of /~foxboron/repos/loose-pkgs/ (at pkgbuild.com)
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2021-08-05 15:30:04	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1280 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1279 normals)
2021-08-05 15:06:36	sharperguy__	Any command i can use to get a roundtrip time for a UDP packet to an arbitrary server? E.g. something like "ping 8.8.8.8" but with UDP?
2021-08-05 15:09:20	grazzolini	sharperguy__: what about using ping itself? if you read ping's man page ...
2021-08-05 15:10:28	tirnanog	not as such. you'd need to use a UDP-based service (DNS being an obvious example), which rules out the "arbitrary" component of the question.
2021-08-05 15:11:11	sharperguy__	yeah i guess i will setup a remote server. I found a tool called irtt which seems to make that easy
2021-08-05 15:12:48	grazzolini	sharperguy__: I'm starting to get a xy problem vibe =D
2021-08-05 15:13:06	grazzolini	sharperguy__: icmp is similar to udp, it has no session
2021-08-05 15:13:22	sly_hrd	does anyone here use vim as their main programming tool? any plugins or bare vim?
2021-08-05 15:13:52	speak	!give sly_hrd anyone
2021-08-05 15:13:53	phrik	sly_hrd: Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2021-08-05 15:14:20	speak	sly_hrd: But yes, I'm sure many of us do. I started with almost vanilla vim but have accumulated a few plugins over the years.
2021-08-05 15:14:46	SysGhost	sly_hrd: it is as simple as searching for "vim plugins for <insert your favourite programming language here>"
2021-08-05 15:14:47	sharperguy__	grazzolini, im just trying to test the delay of a UDP packet vs an ICMP packet
2021-08-05 15:15:03	sharperguy__	but i think i answered my own question
2021-08-05 15:15:26	grazzolini	sharperguy__: the RTT should be the same, I don't understand what you get with an "UDP" ping
2021-08-05 15:15:29	SysGhost	sly_hrd: that is how I do it every time I need something. I often then look for the git or wiki pages about the plugin that I see as interesting.
2021-08-05 15:15:46	sly_hrd	I've been using vim for a long time now, but I'll probably have to learn a bit of Python for a new job, I wonder if vim if sufficient for day-to-day coding or if I should consider some IDE @speak, @phrik, @SysGhost 
2021-08-05 15:16:12	sharperguy__	grazzolini, in theory yes but in practice maybe not
2021-08-05 15:16:20	speak	sly_hrd imo it's enough. I use it for my web dev work.
2021-08-05 15:16:44	SysGhost	sly_hrd: it is. Most people using vim and the variants set up multiple terminals in a tiling window manager to get a good "IDE" environment.
2021-08-05 15:16:50	speak	But I wouldn't recommend just sticking a bunch of plugins in that other people recommend, just add stuff in as you need them
2021-08-05 15:17:08	speak	SysGhost: Boo lol, I just use one vim instance personally
2021-08-05 15:17:26	speak	Oh right I see what you're saying, nevermind. Yeah I use tmux for that sort of thing
2021-08-05 15:17:29	SysGhost	speak: multiple terminals. Multiple screens. multitasking \o/
2021-08-05 15:17:30	sly_hrd	yeah, I use i3, I've written a lot of ansible, bash, terraform scripts in vim and I'd like to continue using it for other languages, thank you
2021-08-05 15:17:44	SysGhost	speak: so easy to get code back and forth that way.
2021-08-05 15:17:49	grazzolini	sharperguy__: unless your UDP service really, really suck, there shouldn't be any difference. anyway, setup an UDP ping service.
2021-08-05 15:17:52	speak	SysGhost: Yeah for sure
2021-08-05 15:18:19	speak	My main plugin for vim for programming specifically is ALE. Love that thing. Provides jumping into function definitions etc very nicely.
2021-08-05 15:18:29	baltazar	sly_hrd: I can also recommend neovim for its lsp support, language servers are usually much better at providing completion and stuff like that 
2021-08-05 15:18:59	sly_hrd	that's a good advice, I'll alias neovim to vim then, thanks baltazar 
2021-08-05 15:19:27	sly_hrd	and thank you all for plugin recommendations, I'll check them out
2021-08-05 15:19:27	⚡ 	SysGhost sneaks in a alias vim="/usr/bin/emacs"
2021-08-05 15:19:29	baltazar	there are lsp plugins for vim though, if you want to stick with it
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2021-08-05 15:37:46	dnnis	hello guys and gals
2021-08-05 15:38:08	NetSysFire	!welcomerpg
2021-08-05 15:38:09	phrik	Greetings, traveller of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get ruined today?
2021-08-05 15:38:29	dnnis	does anyone else have an issue with nvim autoindenting <ul> and <il> tags incorrectly? 
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2021-08-05 15:38:45	dnnis	hahaha not on this day fortunately
2021-08-05 15:38:54	NetSysFire	there is #neovim which may be more appropriate here
2021-08-05 15:39:09	dnnis	you are right, thanks and sry
2021-08-05 15:39:30	NetSysFire	its fine its probably just something which gets a better answer there
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2021-08-05 16:18:54	Mysterytrain	!test
2021-08-05 16:18:54	phrik	[PASS]
2021-08-05 16:18:58	Mysterytrain	ok, still here
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2021-08-05 16:50:22	grazzolini	quantum_: lsinitcpio the intiramfs
2021-08-05 17:03:22	quantum_	grazzolini: All I have in initramfs is nvidia-installer-disable-nouveau.conf
2021-08-05 17:03:47	grazzolini	quantum_: please tell me you didn't installed nvidia from their site
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2021-08-05 18:36:04	xyz	is there way to list only event related to usb plugging in 
2021-08-05 18:36:10	ℹ 	Eres conocido ahora como teraflops
2021-08-05 18:36:27	⚡ 	teraflops kicks his ISP in the ass
2021-08-05 18:36:51	NetSysFire	journalctl has a grep functionality but i recommend journalctl -f and then plugging in the usb
2021-08-05 18:37:40	xyz	I there were some errors from the usb, before I could read them it was flooded with other things
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2021-08-05 19:07:07	bin	so i have a nvidia card that controls some of the audio out and is in pulseaudio as "TU116 High Definition Audio Controller" and then I have the amd internal one which is "Family 17h HD Audio Controller Speaker + Headphones" and when I unplug my headphones, EVERY stream changes to TU116 and I have to manually change them back. I don't know why this keeps happening but is there a way to figure it
2021-08-05 19:07:09	bin	out and prevent it?
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2021-08-05 19:13:18	thursdaylark	bin: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PulseAudio/Examples#Set_the_default_output_sink
2021-08-05 19:13:20	phrik	Title: PulseAudio/Examples - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-05 19:14:10	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-05 19:14:59	bin	ty thursdaylark i'll look at that
2021-08-05 19:15:35	bin	i remember futzing with this when i installed in the first place but i dont remember what i did, i think i missed this step
2021-08-05 19:16:36	bin	hmm
2021-08-05 19:16:56	bin	https://dpaste.org/yPTS
2021-08-05 19:16:56	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-4v7.txt
2021-08-05 19:16:57	phrik	Title: dpaste/yPTS (Python) (at dpaste.org)
2021-08-05 19:19:18	ℹ 	Abrax- es conocido ahora como Abrax
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2021-08-05 19:25:02	PocketKiller	https://imgur.com/a/JoM2HUA - Does anyone know anything about this issue? It happens in the virtual terminal as well but to the point it's kind of unreadable.
2021-08-05 19:25:04	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
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2021-08-05 19:25:58	PocketKiller	Also seems to happen when the buffer has . or /
2021-08-05 19:26:30	thursdaylark	PocketKiller: can you post an example prompt to a paste service?
2021-08-05 19:26:37	thursdaylark	!paste
2021-08-05 19:26:38	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-05 19:26:39	◣	chripell (~chripell@109.255.230.3) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2021-08-05 19:26:58	thursdaylark	I guess in-channel is fine if it's one line
2021-08-05 19:27:15	PocketKiller	Sorry, what exactly?
2021-08-05 19:27:24	Constantin	When I run hexchat in arch it will run in superuser mode
2021-08-05 19:27:38	Constantin	why? and how can I make it run in normal user mode?
2021-08-05 19:28:07	Constantin	other way than opern the terminal and type hexchat, 
2021-08-05 19:28:16	thursdaylark	PocketKiller: you demonstrated that a specific PS1 definition causes this issue. I would like to take a closer look at that in text form instead of needing to glean it from a video.
2021-08-05 19:28:17	teraflops	😱
2021-08-05 19:28:20	bin	@item(buffers):button1
2021-08-05 19:28:21	bin	oops
2021-08-05 19:28:23	Constantin	and it will be running as normal user
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2021-08-05 19:28:56	teraflops	Constantin: create a nornal user run the program from its session
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2021-08-05 19:30:56	PocketKiller	Oh I see. The video was originally meant for a reddit post, here's a PS1 example:
2021-08-05 19:31:04	PocketKiller	thursdaylark: PS1="\e[34m[\u@\h \W]\$ "
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2021-08-05 19:31:23	PocketKiller	An ANSI colorcode + the default PS1
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2021-08-05 19:32:06	PocketKiller	the one from the video: PS1='\e[0m\e[1m[\e[34m\u\e[39m@\e[96m\h \e[92m\W\e[39m]\$\e[0m '
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2021-08-05 19:33:47	thursdaylark	PocketKiller: add a reset to the end of the line. `tput sgr0` should give you the right character
2021-08-05 19:34:08	thursdaylark	Example: https://git.thurstylark.com/vcsh/bashrc.git/tree/.bashrc.d/12-prompt.bash#n26
2021-08-05 19:34:39	PocketKiller	"\e[0m"?
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2021-08-05 19:34:45	ℹ 	mikez es conocido ahora como mikey
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2021-08-05 19:35:42	thursdaylark	yeah, I believe so
2021-08-05 19:35:55	⚡ 	thursdaylark is just lazy and has tput fetch it for him :P
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2021-08-05 19:36:33	PocketKiller	thursdaylark: the longer one used in the video does have that, I just forgot to put it in the example I just gave
2021-08-05 19:36:55	PocketKiller	It changes nothing replacing it with `tput sgr0`
2021-08-05 19:37:06	thursdaylark	well, what use is the example if it's not complete??
2021-08-05 19:37:18	PocketKiller	the example still reproduces the issue for me
2021-08-05 19:37:26	PocketKiller	sorry for that
2021-08-05 19:38:52	thursdaylark	This one reproduces the error: `PS1="\e[34m[\u@\h \W]\$ "`
2021-08-05 19:39:16	thursdaylark	This one behaves normally: `PS1="\e[34m[\u@\h \W]\$ $(tput sgr0) "`
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2021-08-05 19:40:05	PocketKiller	That still reproduces the problem for me. PS1 does merge with a different text, though.
2021-08-05 19:40:14	thursdaylark	This one also behaves normally: `PS1="\e[34m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[0m "`
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2021-08-05 19:40:54	thursdaylark	PocketKiller: can you just post your full bashrc to a paste service so I can see what's going on?
2021-08-05 19:41:08	thursdaylark	this back and forth is useless without real-world examples
2021-08-05 19:41:36	PocketKiller	https://paste.rs/Ja7.sh
2021-08-05 19:41:44	alad	bash prompts 😱
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2021-08-05 19:45:04	hseg	am seeing pacaudit -v | wc -l only increase in the past couple of months, should I be concerned?
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2021-08-05 19:53:31	Namarrgon	you should have switched to arch-audit when pacaudit was dropped by upstream
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2021-08-05 19:53:31	baltazar	PocketKiller: you have to surround non-printing characters with \[ and \], otherwise bash doesn't know the length of your prompt
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2021-08-05 19:55:05	PocketKiller	baltazar: That fixed the issue, thank you. Does this only apply to bash?
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2021-08-05 19:56:17	baltazar	PocketKiller: not sure... probably whatever other shell you're using has a section about this in their manpage (e.g. PROMPTING in bash(1))
2021-08-05 19:56:36	PocketKiller	Oh so if I understand correctly, without that bash would treat non-printing characters as visible characters and cut off my terminal inaccurately
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2021-08-05 19:56:57	PocketKiller	Okay, thank you very much.
2021-08-05 19:57:23	thursdaylark	Ahh, in my prompt setup, I set my color var to `\[$(tput setaf x)\]`
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2021-08-05 19:57:32	thursdaylark	totally missed that part
2021-08-05 19:57:49	PocketKiller	thursdaylark: thanks for helping anyway :)
2021-08-05 19:58:05	thursdaylark	Hey, we all learned something today :P
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2021-08-05 20:02:16	solsTiCe	hi. When I installed archlinux on my Kingston SSD I began to get freeze, and later found out in the wiki that I needed to use a work-around to avid that: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Solid_state_drive/NVMe#Controller_failure_due_to_broken_APST_support last week, I made backup from an archlinux live usb, back and forth that nvme ssd, and did not get any issue. even thought I did not apply
2021-08-05 20:02:16	solsTiCe	that fix. why ? because I id not booted from that ssd ?
2021-08-05 20:02:18	phrik	Title: Solid state drive/NVMe - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-05 20:03:49	jonathon	for completeness, <sfan5> it says there >This kernel parameter may no longer be necessary with recent versions of Linux Kernel.
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2021-08-05 20:05:06	hseg	a quick check doesn't bring up any article mentioning pacaudit was deprecated, where was I supposed to learn about this?
2021-08-05 20:05:27	yans	Hi
2021-08-05 20:05:50	Namarrgon	hseg: https://github.com/steffenfritz/pacaudit
2021-08-05 20:07:16	hseg	fair 'nuff
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2021-08-05 20:25:36	hseg	ig i'd best put my money where my mouth is, then
2021-08-05 20:26:38	hseg	re the lack of context, might this be helped by tagging issues "open in upstream/cantfix/nonissue/.." ?
2021-08-05 20:27:10	Foxboron	We have internal notes on them
2021-08-05 20:27:37	Foxboron	hseg: if you look at the AVG for the CVE, there is a notes section
2021-08-05 20:28:04	hseg	ok. so perhaps if arch-audit could show these notes, that might help?
2021-08-05 20:28:45	Foxboron	I don't think the notes are necessarily intended for public consumptions
2021-08-05 20:28:57	Foxboron	But I have no good suggestions either
2021-08-05 20:29:15	hseg	fair
2021-08-05 20:30:07	hseg	guess I should just get in the habit of checking the AVG pages for new issues, see what the team has to say
2021-08-05 20:31:05	Foxboron	Read the references for the upstream issues
2021-08-05 20:31:13	Foxboron	there should usually be something and they give you the accurate picture
2021-08-05 20:31:23	Foxboron	sometimes a CVE is tracked when upstream doesn't consider it a security issue
2021-08-05 20:31:31	Foxboron	There isnt a lot of QA in the Mitre world, sadly
2021-08-05 20:31:55	hseg	that's a shame. boy who cried wolf not a concern for them?
2021-08-05 20:32:51	Foxboron	hseg: That anology would work if most CVEs are non-issues.
2021-08-05 20:33:02	hseg	in any case, definitely should be keeping a log of active CVE's and diffing against it, instead of just tracking | wc -l
2021-08-05 20:33:12	Foxboron	but that's not the case. So you have an entire town full of wolf attacks and *sometimes* someone yells "wolf" on the dog.
2021-08-05 20:33:38	hseg	true
2021-08-05 20:33:45	Foxboron	anthraxx: plz, we need to make -U default :c
2021-08-05 20:33:50	Foxboron	PLEASE
2021-08-05 20:35:03	hseg	don't see how it'd help -- with the advice to -Syu regularly I rarely have anything upgradeable in arch-audit -u
2021-08-05 20:35:09	hseg	unless my behaviour is atypical?
2021-08-05 20:36:05	Foxboron	It would help having less people complain about the list when running arch-audit :p because they'd think they are actionable when they are not
2021-08-05 20:36:12	Foxboron	or we just insert an ad for the security team
2021-08-05 20:36:20	hseg	:)
2021-08-05 20:36:26	hseg	fair's fair
2021-08-05 20:37:22	anthraxx	"send bitcoin to this address if you want to resolve the listed issues faster"
2021-08-05 20:37:26	NetSysFire	Foxboron: so hows the pay in the security team?
2021-08-05 20:37:43	NetSysFire	s/bitcoin/archcoin/g
2021-08-05 20:37:53	Foxboron	NetSysFire: As good as all the other FOSS projects out there
2021-08-05 20:38:07	anthraxx	Foxboron: well debian does pay some people :P
2021-08-05 20:38:13	Foxboron	Occasional abuse, the rare beer, most often only goodwill live and comradery
2021-08-05 20:38:14	hseg	"pacman will now mine bitcoin to raise funds for the security team"
2021-08-05 20:38:20	Foxboron	I'm getting really tired of this anthraxx guy though
2021-08-05 20:38:26	anthraxx	Foxboron: me too
2021-08-05 20:38:33	Foxboron	anthraxx: he seems like a complete jerk!
2021-08-05 20:38:44	Foxboron	should fire him
2021-08-05 20:38:45	anthraxx	Foxboron: i agree
2021-08-05 20:39:01	Foxboron	s/live/love
2021-08-05 20:40:43	NetSysFire	https://xkcd.com/2347/
2021-08-05 20:40:45	phrik	Title: xkcd: Dependency (at xkcd.com)
2021-08-05 20:40:56	Foxboron	indeed
2021-08-05 20:42:49	NetSysFire	why is this anthraxx guy not in there? didnt he ascend? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_terminology#Developer
2021-08-05 20:42:50	phrik	Title: Arch terminology - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-05 20:43:21	anthraxx	NetSysFire: lol wtf is that section :D
2021-08-05 20:43:38	NetSysFire	i know all the "lol wtf" sections in the wiki
2021-08-05 20:44:32	NetSysFire	fun fact: there has been some discussion about this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Talk:Arch_terminology&oldid=594096#Developers
2021-08-05 20:44:34	plitter	I've just connected my (usually) trusty altec usb speakers, but I don't see them with lsusb or with pavucontrol... could any idea what I should check next?
2021-08-05 20:44:34	phrik	Title: Talk:Arch terminology - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-05 20:45:06	NetSysFire	!give plitter kernelcheck
2021-08-05 20:45:07	phrik	plitter: compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2021-08-05 20:45:46	anthraxx	Foxboron: ill see if i can scoop in the some time to work on plans i had which would mostly address that
2021-08-05 20:45:56	Foxboron	anthraxx: nice :)
2021-08-05 20:46:06	Foxboron	anthraxx: I do think --help could list the security team wiki page.... :)
2021-08-05 20:47:21	anthraxx	Foxboron: the man page does :D but yeah maybe cant hurt
2021-08-05 20:49:03	plitter	@NetSysFire http://ix.io/3v5W
2021-08-05 20:50:52	matse	Does anybody know a tool, with which I can look for certain actions in my syslog (journald) and trigger certain actions when I find an event? Like fail2ban but not for blocking hosts, so I don't have an IP in the corresponding line that I'm lookong for
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2021-08-05 21:14:10	rien333	When I run yay -G sox, I get the following error: https://gist.github.com/rien333/928121570ad74202f3bdfb90ed4d39b7. Doesn't happen with other packages. Is the problem with yay? Or is there something weird with the servers? 
2021-08-05 21:15:03	morganamilo	delete the cache. that or it's still broken 
2021-08-05 21:16:46	rien333	morganamilo: that worked, ty! 
2021-08-05 21:19:57	alad	morganamilo: what kind of wizardry is that
2021-08-05 21:20:15	morganamilo	hmm?
2021-08-05 21:20:32	alad	https://git.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/info/refs?service=git-upload-pack <--
2021-08-05 21:20:33	phrik	Title: Groups · Explore · GitLab (at git.archlinux.org)
2021-08-05 21:20:33	rien333	(ftr: rm .cache/yay/abs/sox did the trick)
2021-08-05 21:20:35	alad	is that from git?
2021-08-05 21:20:50	morganamilo	idk
2021-08-05 21:20:56	alad	lol
2021-08-05 21:20:59	morganamilo	ive not been involved in yay dev for like 2 years after
2021-08-05 21:21:02	morganamilo	after all*
2021-08-05 21:21:12	alad	I would think it was some arcane query since it says "querying aur"
2021-08-05 21:21:40	morganamilo	i did suggest depping asp but i'm not gonna go do it
2021-08-05 21:22:08	alad	ah, it's a repo package
2021-08-05 21:22:14	rien333	uhu
2021-08-05 21:22:15	alad	yeah no surprise the NIH approach breaks
2021-08-05 21:22:39	alad	morganamilo: what do you mean using existing projects instead of rewriting everything from scratch!?
2021-08-05 21:22:45	alad	no way
2021-08-05 21:23:04	morganamilo	don't you want to rewrite devtools? :P
2021-08-05 21:23:16	earnestly	alad: DJB was like that, down the C standard libraries
2021-08-05 21:23:31	morganamilo	wait no repo-add is pacman not dev tools
2021-08-05 21:23:38	alad	morganamilo: well devtools is rotten to the tooth
2021-08-05 21:24:03	alad	and funnily enough, the code without devtools is not longer than code with devtools ._.
2021-08-05 21:24:18	alad	morganamilo: allan wants to rewrite repo-add in C :O
2021-08-05 21:24:33	morganamilo	yeah am aware 
2021-08-05 21:24:45	morganamilo	would be nice cause then i can use it from alpm
2021-08-05 21:24:48	alad	earnestly: wasn't his motivation "the C stdlib leads to bugged code, I don't want bugs"
2021-08-05 21:25:14	alad	morganamilo: you make that sound scary
2021-08-05 21:25:29	earnestly	alad: Yes, he was on the opposite side of 'full exploitation' and prefered to have everything tailor made precisely for what he was doing
2021-08-05 21:26:13	alad	I've been doing that for my C++ projects lately
2021-08-05 21:26:35	alad	with the side-effect my compile times are a few seconds instead of several minutes
2021-08-05 21:28:06	enoq	is there a way to figure out if the ryzen 5600G gpu part is supported?
2021-08-05 21:28:22	alad	but I wouldn't want to rewrite something like repo-add or pacman
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2021-08-05 21:40:37	derzahl	anyone know a good PDF viewer that lets you tile as many images as can fit on a page when printing? libredraw works but it F's up the format of the PDF
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2021-08-05 21:45:52	teraflops	:CocInstall coc.archlinux.org does not work! 
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2021-08-05 21:46:20	coruja	derzahl: evince and okular are the most versatile i know of
2021-08-05 21:46:23	alad	teraflops: ?
2021-08-05 21:46:55	teraflops	too bad joke I guess
2021-08-05 21:47:00	derzahl	evince doesnt let you tile, tried that first
2021-08-05 21:47:11	derzahl	ill see how many libs i have to pull in to try okular
2021-08-05 21:47:15	alad	I guess it depends on the printing dialog the toolkit uses
2021-08-05 21:47:16	teraflops	alad: coc.nvim
2021-08-05 21:47:27	alad	phrik: give teraflops hmmmm
2021-08-05 21:47:28	phrik	teraflops: https://i.redd.it/6sg63uxoyhoz.jpg
2021-08-05 21:47:34	derzahl	trying acroread right now. have to pull in a ton of 32bit libs :/
2021-08-05 21:47:38	alad	try qpdfview
2021-08-05 21:47:52	derzahl	ok, ill try that too
2021-08-05 21:47:53	derzahl	thanks
2021-08-05 21:48:00	alad	and I'd avoid using a decade old PDF viewing software that supports javascript
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2021-08-05 21:49:16	Hax0r	Anyone has a solid guide on how to install xfce along with KDE for Arch? (already have KDE running)
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2021-08-05 21:49:48	derzahl	wow, acroread is like from the 90s i think
2021-08-05 21:49:55	evilop	Hax0r: pacman -Syu xfce4; done
2021-08-05 21:50:10	alad	2008 looks like
2021-08-05 21:50:10	evilop	might want some of the stuff from goodies too
2021-08-05 21:50:29	Hax0r	Thanks @evilop
2021-08-05 21:50:32	evilop	other than that, see the aw page for xfce
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2021-08-05 22:14:28	remanifest	Embarrassing question - does anyone know where the KMail config files live by default? I want to wipe it out to start fresh.
2021-08-05 22:14:40	remanifest	And more importantly - how could I find that out on my own?
2021-08-05 22:16:22	evilop	google is somewhat effective; first match is https://userbase.kde.org/Kmail/Configuring_Kmail
2021-08-05 22:16:23	phrik	Title: Kmail/Configuring Kmail - KDE UserBase Wiki (at userbase.kde.org)
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2021-08-05 22:44:33	baltazar	bezirg: so are you saying that after startup, trimming doesn't work, cat [...]/provisioning_mode returns unmap, then if you echo unmap into it once again, it works?
2021-08-05 22:44:56	bezirg	balrog: yeap exactly
2021-08-05 22:45:13	bezirg	baltazar: yeap exactly
2021-08-05 22:45:39	baltazar	that sounds quite magical
2021-08-05 22:46:39	bezirg	baltazar: udev correctly writes unmap to the sysfs file, but it seems to not have any real kernel effect. only when I manually do echo unmap a second time, then fstrim confirms that this device supports it.
2021-08-05 22:47:08	bezirg	i wonder if can anybody with an external ssd have tried it out.
2021-08-05 22:47:11	baltazar	bezirg: this shouldn't matter, but you could try setting up the udev rule so it does an echo like you do instead of the "normal" way of using ATTR{...}=...
2021-08-05 22:47:42	teraflops	alad: inline ^^ https://wtf.roflcopter.fr/pics/eaZrgb9a/mW6FwtUz
2021-08-05 22:47:57	bezirg	baltazar: i could do that, but is using "RUN+=" safe for writing to sysfs?
2021-08-05 22:49:01	baltazar	bezirg: no clue honestly, but I can't think of anything that's different between udev and you setting it
2021-08-05 22:49:53	baltazar	bezirg: also, if you use RUN, you can try adding a magic sleep 2 before it
2021-08-05 22:51:28	baltazar	but if any of this actually solves it, it's voodoo
2021-08-05 22:52:06	lmat	I just got a laptop (lenovo ideapad 3) and I see "ideapad_acpi VPC2004:00: Keyboard backlight control not available" in journalctl.
2021-08-05 22:52:24	lmat	I can verify, the keyboard backlight buttons don't work. I'm using xfce4. The backlight control in the power manager widget does work.
2021-08-05 22:53:04	NetSysFire	did you check if the archwiki has a page about your laptop
2021-08-05 22:53:18	lmat	I'll look more closely there!
2021-08-05 22:55:31	bezirg	baltazar: using a udev RUN+ script to echo the unmap did write to the sysfsfile but also had no actual kernel effect!
2021-08-05 22:55:40	alad	teraflops: nice
2021-08-05 22:55:42	lmat	I'm guessing something here is mine. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Laptop/Lenovo#IdeaPad I see Lenovo Ideapad 3-15ARE05 and I have Ideapad 3 14ADA05. Should be close enough.
2021-08-05 22:55:43	phrik	Title: Laptop/Lenovo - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-05 22:55:52	Atum_	is there any grafana like dashboards for syslog?
2021-08-05 22:55:57	Atum_	journalctl isn't doing it for me, lol
2021-08-05 22:56:03	dmc	o_o
2021-08-05 22:56:25	Atum_	how do you guys organize a bunch of logs?
2021-08-05 22:56:29	baltazar	bezirg: told ya it was voodoo. well this is good in that you got it working, but I haven't the slightest clue why
2021-08-05 22:56:41	earnestly	Atum_: tmux panes
2021-08-05 22:56:44	niki	bezirg: Maybe you need to write, sleep and write again?
2021-08-05 22:57:07	lmat	NetSysFire: I'll try this suggestion about ideapad 5: "requires acpi_backlight=video kernel argument;"
2021-08-05 22:57:08	Atum_	earnestly: I was looking for a web based solution
2021-08-05 22:57:25	Atum_	that's why I thought about grafana and such
2021-08-05 22:57:26	baltazar	ah wait I misread, I thought it worked
2021-08-05 22:58:18	baltazar	bezirg: what do you read from it if you don't have the rule at all?
2021-08-05 22:58:36	bezirg	baltazar: I read full at the provisioning_mode
2021-08-05 22:59:25	teraflops	Atum_: grafana does a very good job If you like those things. You can even run a container for it
2021-08-05 22:59:27	baltazar	bezirg: and did you try putting a sleep before it?
2021-08-05 22:59:45	Atum_	teraflops: do you have any recommended dashboards/setup?
2021-08-05 23:00:03	Atum_	I didn't find any good syslogs ones
2021-08-05 23:00:13	bezirg	baltazar, niki: i just tried with sleep , nope it does not work. I am pulling my hair
2021-08-05 23:01:09	teraflops	I do that at work but I guess you can find a JSON for what you want somewhere in the internet
2021-08-05 23:01:31	Atum_	teraflops: aight, ty!
2021-08-05 23:01:33	baltazar	bezirg: welp I'm outta ideas
2021-08-05 23:02:34	teraflops	Atum_: first hit https://grafana.com/grafana/dashboards/12433
2021-08-05 23:02:36	phrik	Title: Syslog dashboard for Grafana | Grafana Labs (at grafana.com)
2021-08-05 23:05:25	mongy	cockpit has some log stuff iirc, not sure how much
2021-08-05 23:07:44	dmc	Atum_, https://tsl0922.github.io/ttyd/ :p
2021-08-05 23:07:46	phrik	Title: ttyd - Share your terminal over the web (at tsl0922.github.io)
2021-08-05 23:09:04	teraflops	Heh that'd do the work
2021-08-05 23:10:52	teraflops	Grafana is so fancy to put all over a bunch of big pannels at work
2021-08-05 23:11:44	earnestly	A dedicated computer just to run logging software
2021-08-05 23:11:56	teraflops	Yeah a mini pc
2021-08-05 23:12:09	teraflops	To feed all the monitors
2021-08-05 23:12:59	teraflops	Actually what you run in there is a web browser
2021-08-05 23:13:02	earnestly	I use a micropc as a server, it's quite nice
2021-08-05 23:13:23	teraflops	I like fanless ones
2021-08-05 23:13:44	teraflops	Like Atomicpi
2021-08-05 23:13:54	earnestly	It uses ~12W and 25W but is much more usable than a pi, which is why I came to that choice eventually
2021-08-05 23:14:04	teraflops	Yeah I agree
2021-08-05 23:14:08	earnestly	(x86 basically)
2021-08-05 23:15:27	earnestly	(pcengines look nice too but quite expensive for what it offers, coreboot though)
2021-08-05 23:15:45	teraflops	Atomicpi is ridiculously cheap
2021-08-05 23:20:24	mongy	a shitty lil thinkpad shoved in my cupboard with router etc.  hate wires and noise :)
2021-08-05 23:21:50	mongy	does its job tho, little shit
2021-08-05 23:22:04	bougyman	Oi. Anyone know of a tool that can take a giant pcap and extract a stream? I know the packet the stream starts at.
2021-08-05 23:22:13	bougyman	But wireshark just can't open the pcap. It's too big.
2021-08-05 23:22:27	bougyman	And i can only cut a little bit off the front, not enough to make it small enough for wireshark to load.
2021-08-05 23:22:59	bougyman	Looking for the equivalent functionality of Wireshark's "follow tcp stream" but in something that doesn't have to pull the whole pcap into ram.
2021-08-05 23:23:11	bougyman	Tried ngrep and a few others. None seemed to have the necessary bits I need.
2021-08-05 23:25:44	teraflops	https://wtf.roflcopter.fr/pics/yPmppFNy/DTPHeg6a not that bad for its price
2021-08-05 23:31:12	teraflops	Can't you just split it in more manageable pieces?
2021-08-05 23:33:16	Atum_	dmc: hahaha, I mean, that counts
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2021-08-06 00:08:27	bougyman	teraflops: I can only chop 128k packets off the front.
2021-08-06 00:08:39	bougyman	The rest of it has the traffic I need interspersed
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2021-08-06 00:08:54	bougyman	128k out of a few tens of millions isn't gonna help much.
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2021-08-06 00:09:18	bougyman	This pcap was 1.6H gzipped
2021-08-06 00:09:38	bougyman	8.6G uncompressed
2021-08-06 00:10:06	dav1d	tshark?
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2021-08-06 00:10:23	bougyman	htm, let's see if it can do it. haven't looked at tshark in quite some time. Thanks!
2021-08-06 00:10:36	bougyman	I swore snort could do it, but it does not.
2021-08-06 00:11:01	dav1d	just guessing btw, I feel like it should be able to do it, but just an unfounded feeling
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2021-08-06 00:17:45	hanna	anyone know of a sharex like program?
2021-08-06 00:18:00	NetSysFire	!give hanna aw list of applications
2021-08-06 00:18:01	phrik	hanna: List of applications - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications
2021-08-06 00:18:06	hanna	oh thanks
2021-08-06 00:19:36	mpan	<https://archlinux.org/mirrors/midov.pl/1462/> is reported as properly syncing, but clearly is invalid: <https://arch.midov.pl/arch/core/os/x86_64/>. Goes to arch-mirrors or where?
2021-08-06 00:19:37	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - https://arch.midov.pl/arch/ - URL Details (at archlinux.org)
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2021-08-06 03:30:17	Betal	how I can compile something in arch and run in debian? do I need to install in container/chroot an older glibc?
2021-08-06 03:30:47	thrice	there is a tool called "debootstrap"
2021-08-06 03:48:40	breadpudding	Good evening everyone! I'm having a strange issue with my desktop when I add a second NVMe drive. When the drive is inserted, it prevents the system from booting. It seems to be because my root partition moves from nvme0n1p2 to nvme1n1p2. I'm able to get past GRUB but it seems to lock up after the filesystem check. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
2021-08-06 03:49:15	sheep	breadpudding: switch to using UUIDs instead of /dev nodes
2021-08-06 03:49:28	morrigan	breadpudding: how are you mounting in fstab? you should use uuids
2021-08-06 03:49:38	morrigan	nvm, sheep got you
2021-08-06 03:49:45	hanna	typically always a bad idea to use /dev nodes since they can change
2021-08-06 03:49:54	sheep	in fstab and in the bootloader configuration
2021-08-06 03:50:39	hanna	you can use `genfstab -U` to gen with UUIDs
2021-08-06 03:50:49	breadpudding	That's what's confusing me, I *am* using UUIDs in /etc/fstab.
2021-08-06 03:51:02	hanna	what about your boot loader config
2021-08-06 03:51:02	thrice	and in grub config?
2021-08-06 03:51:17	breadpudding	Honestly, I haven't checked that yet. Give me a second.
2021-08-06 03:54:20	breadpudding	As far as I can see, it looks like it's using the UUID as well.
2021-08-06 03:55:06	hanna	what's the error booting gives when you try to boot?
2021-08-06 03:55:23	breadpudding	It doesn't, it just hangs.
2021-08-06 03:55:44	breadpudding	Also just in case it matters(which it most certainly does), I'm using the zen kernel.
2021-08-06 03:57:10	hanna	no error message or anything? grub doesn't drop you into a recovery shell or anything?
2021-08-06 03:58:07	breadpudding	I see "Starting version <version string>" and "/dev/nvme1n1p2 clean: <filesystem statistics>". Nothing appears after that. I'll try disabling the quiet flag and see what I can find but I'll need to reconnect to IRC on my laptop.
2021-08-06 04:00:44	hanna	is your OS installed on a NVME?
2021-08-06 04:01:23	breadpudding	Yes. It's on the first one. The second one I added only started having issues after I added a filesystem to it.
2021-08-06 04:01:35	hanna	hmm, well that crosses off the idea i had. 
2021-08-06 04:02:06	breadpudding	Removing quiet shows that it's waiting for /sys/subsystem/net/devices/enp3s0. Hopefully it was just me being impatient.
2021-08-06 04:03:12	hanna	on one hand it could be that, on the other hand i don't think NVMe's should take that long
2021-08-06 04:03:29	hanna	have you tested the drive in another computer if you have one, to make sure it isn't faulty
2021-08-06 04:03:45	breadpudding	Oh that's even weirder. It changed my Ethernet device from enp3s0 to enp5s0.
2021-08-06 04:04:03	breadpudding	*I have no idea what the heck is going on at this point*
2021-08-06 04:04:29	breadpudding	As for testing with another machine, this is the only machine I have that supports NVMe.
2021-08-06 04:06:19	breadpudding	Something I never really researched was the reasoning behind the new network interface naming convention. Is this something sane that I don't understand?
2021-08-06 04:07:36	breadpudding	Either way, I'll figure it out. Thanks for your help.
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2021-08-06 04:34:47	randomxusr	Greetings. I'm having issues previewing Plasma Themes to download. Clicking on Get New Global Themes in the Settings results in a network error. However, all other network connected apps are working.
2021-08-06 04:35:17	Cirrus_Minor	!kde
2021-08-06 04:35:17	phrik	http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/KDE
2021-08-06 04:35:41	Cirrus_Minor	wrong onre
2021-08-06 04:36:29	randomxusr	are the themese coming directly from KDE? so it might be a connection issue on their part?
2021-08-06 04:36:56	Cirrus_Minor	try dl using browser
2021-08-06 04:36:58	sunyibo	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/SSH_keys#ssh-agent I set this up. How can I make it prompt me for my passphrase upon boot or login?
2021-08-06 04:37:00	phrik	Title: SSH keys - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-06 04:37:17	randomxusr	Cirrus_Minor, will do
2021-08-06 04:39:07	Cirrus_Minor	sunyibo: it will ask for password if login to ssh session provided you dont use te pubkey method to authenticate
2021-08-06 04:40:22	Cirrus_Minor	sunyibo: if you want to be prompted for passwd outwith ssh session use a screenlocker
2021-08-06 04:41:29	sunyibo	it did prompt me for the passphrase when I ran 'ssh', but it did not, when I ran 'git annex ...' (which uses ssh)
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2021-08-06 06:41:03	mangix	Hello. What's the difference between cloudimg and basic arch linux images?
2021-08-06 06:41:16	mangix	talking about https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/arch-boxes/-/jobs/30908/artifacts/browse/output
2021-08-06 06:41:19	phrik	Title: output · Artifacts · build:secure (#30908) · Jobs · Arch Linux / arch-boxes · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-06 07:53:16	mangix	Anyone using arch with nspawn?
2021-08-06 07:53:23	mangix	I'm getting passwd: Authentication token manipulation error when running passwd
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2021-08-06 08:52:00	drew	I have revived an old laptop that has been laying around, but the ethernet port is not working. I saw I was loading the r8101 driver at boot, which I have modprobe'd back in, but ip addr show still only shows lo and wlp2s0. Where do I begin with troubleshooting?
2021-08-06 08:53:47	mpan	drew: possblye that issue: <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration/Ethernet#Realtek_no_link_/_WOL_problem>.
2021-08-06 08:53:49	phrik	Title: Network configuration/Ethernet - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-06 08:54:40	m4m41	Is this the primary ArchLinux chat - is there something on Matrix? 
2021-08-06 08:54:53	jmcantrell	anyone know how i might symlink stub-resolv.conf while in arch-chroot?
2021-08-06 08:55:27	mpan	m4m41: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Matrix
2021-08-06 08:55:28	phrik	Title: Matrix - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-06 09:02:09	kevr	jmcantrell: can you not just link resolv.conf from outside?
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2021-08-06 09:20:29	jmcantrell	i'm not sure if it was the best way, but what worked was moving the resolv.conf on the outside, and symlinking from the inside
2021-08-06 09:20:50	kevr	well
2021-08-06 09:20:54	kevr	that may not be what you want, though
2021-08-06 09:21:10	kevr	you may just be modifying the iso's resolv.conf if it's bind mounted.
2021-08-06 09:21:16	jmcantrell	i don't like the idea of moving that file, no
2021-08-06 09:21:57	nl6720	IMHO symlinking from outside the chroot is simpler
2021-08-06 09:22:45	kevr	either way, if resolv.conf is mounted in there, you've gotta unmount it to actually set special /etc/resolv.conf stuff up for your installation
2021-08-06 09:22:50	kevr	otherwise, it's just going to modify something that is temporary
2021-08-06 09:23:27	kevr	it being, whatever you do to the mounted file at /mnt/etc/resolv.conf.
2021-08-06 09:23:33	jmcantrell	nl6720: i thought you said that wouldn't work
2021-08-06 09:24:10	kevr	jmcantrell: you could always just reboot the machine into your install and go from there.
2021-08-06 09:24:11	jmcantrell	how would i unmount just that file?
2021-08-06 09:24:12	nl6720	no, I meant that the "remove whatever file is at /mnt/etc/resolv.conf, enter the chroot, `ln -sf " won't work
2021-08-06 09:24:18	kevr	since you sound pretty much finished
2021-08-06 09:24:35	jmcantrell	i'd like to have it all done before the first boot
2021-08-06 09:24:45	kevr	!ix
2021-08-06 09:24:46	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2021-08-06 09:24:59	kevr	jmcantrell: paste `mount`
2021-08-06 09:25:23	jmcantrell	it might be a few
2021-08-06 09:26:31	kevr	jmcantrell: I'm going to be presumptious: `umount /mnt/etc/resolv.conf; rm -f /mnt/etc/resolv.conf; ln -sf /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf /mnt/etc/resolv.conf` from OUTSIDE the chroot.
2021-08-06 09:27:33	kevr	Then, take a look at `readlink /mnt/etc/resolv.conf`, it should be `/run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf`
2021-08-06 09:27:47	jmcantrell	isn't the mount created by arch-chroot?
2021-08-06 09:27:54	kevr	i believe it is, yes
2021-08-06 09:28:12	jmcantrell	then how can you umount it from the outside?
2021-08-06 09:28:20	kevr	well, you're not in the chroot
2021-08-06 09:28:22	kevr	so...
2021-08-06 09:28:26	kevr	oh
2021-08-06 09:28:29	kevr	i see what you're saying
2021-08-06 09:28:36	kevr	i think it might leave that mount around after you leave the chroot
2021-08-06 09:28:42	kevr	so, just make sure there's nothing mounted there.
2021-08-06 09:28:48	kevr	if that command errors, it's fine.
2021-08-06 09:29:01	kevr	looking at `mount` will tell you what is mounted
2021-08-06 09:31:24	nl6720	there really shouldn't be any lingering mounts after exiting arch-chroot
2021-08-06 09:32:05	kevr	Just make sure the thing isn't unmounted and create the link, man.
2021-08-06 09:32:11	kevr	isn't mounted*
2021-08-06 09:42:28	drew	why would rsync over an ethernet LAN only get up to ~2MB/s? shouldn't it be faster?
2021-08-06 09:47:27	jmcantrell	kevr, nl6720: ok, from the outside, there is a resolv.conf, but it appears to be a regular file. there are no mounts relative to /mnt (other than my btrfs subvols)
2021-08-06 09:47:51	jmcantrell	so i'm thinking just rm it and symlink it, from the outside
2021-08-06 09:48:01	nl6720	no need to rm, just ln -sf
2021-08-06 09:48:46	nl6720	I added a note about this issue to https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/systemd-resolved#DNS
2021-08-06 09:48:47	phrik	Title: systemd-resolved - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-06 09:49:31	jmcantrell	nl6720: you can symlink over an existing regular file?
2021-08-06 09:49:52	nl6720	afaik you can with the -f option
2021-08-06 09:50:13	nl6720	"-f, --force" "remove existing destination files"
2021-08-06 09:51:02	jmcantrell	interesting. i always assumed it would only work if the existing file was a symlink
2021-08-06 09:54:44	jmcantrell	nl6720: thanks for adding that note
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2021-08-06 10:03:51	Someonewhocantlo	Hi, run a rather large update after few weeks of no updating. I can't login to my desktop via display manager, it emptty says (Authorization failed), SDDM says login failed. I can login just fine in another TTY
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2021-08-06 10:04:23	Foxboron	Someonewhocantlo: set a new password
2021-08-06 10:04:34	Foxboron	Someonewhocantlo: https://archlinux.org/news/sorting-out-old-password-hashes/
2021-08-06 10:04:35	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Sorting out old password hashes (at archlinux.org)
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2021-08-06 10:04:52	birkoff	is wpa_cli limiting the number or power ranges of found networks ?
2021-08-06 10:05:07	Someonewhocantlo	Read this article, it suggest just to login with old password via TTY once. 
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2021-08-06 10:05:27	Someonewhocantlo	Right, it should ask me to update my password but didn't
2021-08-06 10:05:32	Someonewhocantlo	Let me do just that
2021-08-06 10:05:48	Foxboron	Someonewhocantlo: I'm just guessing :p no clue if it's the issue or not
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2021-08-06 10:10:52	Someonewhocantlo	not great, I changed the password, tested if I can login with it to TTY, and I can. But the DM's dont like it either
2021-08-06 10:12:04	Someonewhocantlo	will see if creating new user works
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2021-08-06 10:16:46	Someonewhocantlo	the new user doesn't report Login Failed, but it just drops me back in to the DM after a second or two.
2021-08-06 10:17:00	Someonewhocantlo	Any suggestion how to get the original user to work ?
2021-08-06 10:18:21	Foxboron	you need to look at the auth.log and fetch the logs from the login manager
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2021-08-06 10:24:21	Someonewhocantlo	I don't have /var/log/auth.log :/
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2021-08-06 10:29:39	Someonewhocantlo	Well... The emptty and sddm, didn't work. Just enabled lightdm and it took me straight to the desktop on the main login. 
2021-08-06 10:30:13	Someonewhocantlo	Strange I don't have the auth.log will need to look into it, and fix emptty somehow
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2021-08-06 10:34:50	Foxboron	auth.log might be an ssh thing and I'm wrong there. But generally; look at the loggs
2021-08-06 10:35:37	AirstrikeIvanov	Xorg.0.log and sddm's log might also have useful information
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2021-08-06 10:53:53	earnestly	Foxboron: Apparently a syslog where certain filters would redirect messages to /var/log/auth.log - I've never used it, or seen it but apparently was quite common
2021-08-06 10:54:04	Foxboron	earnestly: right
2021-08-06 10:54:12	earnestly	syslog setting*
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2021-08-06 11:08:36	Foxboron	aminvakil: When you make 10 bugreports with the same text for several packages. Instead of opening everyone of them you are better off making a general one asking for a todolist
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2021-08-06 11:12:20	CarloWood	Hmm, I woke up and my desktop is acting all weird :/ (plasma). Clicking on my email icon, the application just wouldn't start (bouncing icon for a while and then nothing).
2021-08-06 11:12:45	CarloWood	So I right-clicked on it and selected Properties, to see exactly what that icon started.
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2021-08-06 11:14:05	CarloWood	Then I got a pop-up saying "Plasma Desktop Workspace" in the title bar, and "Examining" below that with a progress bar below that.... which eventually froze, and now plasma isn't reacting at all anymore.
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2021-08-06 11:14:57	CarloWood	How can I restart plasma without logging out? I hate it to close all my terminal windows (konsole), they never reappear at the same place.
2021-08-06 11:15:28	arojas	plasmashell --replace
2021-08-06 11:16:36	CarloWood	Thanks. That command also hangs :/ .. it does not return, nor does anything.
2021-08-06 11:17:16	DilithiumNO3	then instead, do this: setsid plasmashell --replace
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2021-08-06 11:17:26	DilithiumNO3	or plasmashell --replace &
2021-08-06 11:17:32	DilithiumNO3	followed by disown
2021-08-06 11:17:46	CarloWood	It does nothing, so running it in the background won't help
2021-08-06 11:18:00	DilithiumNO3	oh, literally nothing?
2021-08-06 11:18:06	CarloWood	yup
2021-08-06 11:18:06	arojas	killall -9 plasmashell && plasmashell
2021-08-06 11:18:32	CarloWood	Hmm, I can still switch windows, just not click on icons to start applications.
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2021-08-06 11:19:29	CarloWood	bah, I am going to reboot this is too much of a mess.
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2021-08-06 11:20:29	mongy	just did plasmashell --replace &! and it seemed to work
2021-08-06 11:21:09	CarloWood	That is because your system isn't having this problem.
2021-08-06 11:21:18	CarloWood	carlo    1018039  0.0  0.2 330336 67584 pts/10   Dl+  11:18   0:00 plasmashell --replace
2021-08-06 11:21:30	CarloWood	>sudo strace -p 1018039
2021-08-06 11:21:35	CarloWood	No output whatsoever
2021-08-06 11:21:44	CarloWood	just "hangs"
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2021-08-06 11:22:09	CarloWood	Oh sh*t.. it is waiting for disk
2021-08-06 11:22:24	CarloWood	Don't tell me I have a broken disk :((
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2021-08-06 11:22:43	DilithiumNO3	holy swap, batman
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2021-08-06 11:23:22	DilithiumNO3	nah, stuck in active swap sounds more likely than a bad disk
2021-08-06 11:23:41	GuiToris	hello, power management still disappears from the panel. [Monday, 15 June 2020] [12:28:24 CEST] <arojas> GuiToris: known issue, restart plasmashell
2021-08-06 11:23:42	DilithiumNO3	but check smartctl --all <device path> if you want to be sure
2021-08-06 11:23:43	CarloWood	My swap is empty
2021-08-06 11:23:53	GuiToris	will it ever be fixed, or I'm doing something wrong?!
2021-08-06 11:24:25	GuiToris	I've been running 'kquitapp5 plasmashell && plasmashell' for over a year almost daily
2021-08-06 11:25:09	CarloWood	Every command is hanging :(.
2021-08-06 11:25:15	CarloWood	I am running out of terminals.
2021-08-06 11:25:49	DilithiumNO3	just restart, idk
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2021-08-06 11:26:07	CarloWood	scared that then it won't ... oh SOMETHING came back
2021-08-06 11:26:10	DilithiumNO3	or use tmux if you need more terminals :>
2021-08-06 11:27:08	Luyin	hi, I've just removed an old package, "haskell-haddock-library1.9". When pacman reached the step "unregistering Haskell modules", it printed this error: "error: command failed to execute correctly", but proceeds with the deinstallation, and exits without error. I'm not sure what this means now? Should I be worried?
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2021-08-06 11:28:03	CarloWood	daniel:~>sudo reboot now
2021-08-06 11:28:10	CarloWood	Just hangs :(
2021-08-06 11:28:25	CarloWood	desktop is not reacting either.. I can't reboot anymore
2021-08-06 11:28:53	DilithiumNO3	smother the power button if it persists
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2021-08-06 11:44:56	CarloWood_	Everything seems to be working, but... this isn't normal :\.  And I don't even know which disk it was!
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2021-08-06 11:46:51	Namarrgon	Luyin: find the pacman hook that prints that and see which command it runs and why it fails
2021-08-06 11:49:30	CarloWood_	k4dirstat is core dumping :/
2021-08-06 11:51:39	Luyin	Namarrgon: hmm, so I found /usr/share/libalpm/hooks/ghc-unregister.hook, which calls /usr/share/haskell/unregister/name-of-that-package.sh, but the name of the package is no longer there (probably because it's removed from the system)
2021-08-06 11:52:06	Luyin	I looked into haskell-haddock-library.sh, which does this: '/usr/bin/ghc-pkg' 'unregister' '--force' '--global' 'haddock-library-1.10.0' "$@"
2021-08-06 11:52:30	Luyin	(with a PATH set up before that)
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2021-08-06 11:53:26	Luyin	I wish the error was a bit more verbose than what I got XD
2021-08-06 11:54:15	Namarrgon	what is in the log file?
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2021-08-06 11:56:13	Namarrgon	where did you get that packge from? "haskell-haddock-library1.9" is not in the repos
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2021-08-06 12:01:02	CarloWood_	https://github.com/jeromerobert/k4dirstat/issues/35 <-- I need an upgrade of k4dirstat ... to 3.2.1.
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2021-08-06 12:01:24	CarloWood_	Is k4dirstat part of arch base? Or only in the AUR?
2021-08-06 12:01:35	evilop	CarloWood_: pacman will tell you that
2021-08-06 12:01:35	Namarrgon	pacman -Ss k4dirstat
2021-08-06 12:01:39	CarloWood_	I can't find it back on my harddisk in the AUR directory :/
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2021-08-06 12:02:05	CarloWood_	daniel:/usr/src/AUR>pacman -Ss k4dirstat
2021-08-06 12:02:05	CarloWood_	daniel:/usr/src/AUR>
2021-08-06 12:02:06	evilop	aur/k4dirstat 3.2.1-1 [+22 ~0.01] [Out-of-date: 2021-04-19]
2021-08-06 12:02:30	Namarrgon	see, that didn't even hurt
2021-08-06 12:02:52	CarloWood_	I immediately believe I'd have installed it from aur, just can't find back where the directory is in which I compiled it :/
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2021-08-06 12:03:47	evilop	you don't need that dir
2021-08-06 12:04:00	evilop	and you probably deleted it at some point
2021-08-06 12:04:28	CarloWood_	I'd never delete it
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2021-08-06 12:04:52	evilop	your aur helper might have if you used one to install it
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2021-08-06 12:08:21	CarloWood	I never used an aur helper
2021-08-06 12:08:36	Namarrgon	get the new PKGBUILD 
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2021-08-06 12:12:29	JayDoubleu	Is there a tool which would allow to monitor each process ram usage over time and graph it ?
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2021-08-06 12:18:44	CarloWood	Grrmbl - I am sure I fixed this before... ~/.log/jack/jackdbus.log is clogging up my home directory.  How's idea was it to put HUGE log files in home directories anyway :\
2021-08-06 12:18:51	CarloWood	Who's*
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2021-08-06 12:20:12	f1refly	I have an issue with a packagebuild from the aur that I can't figure out. I'm trying to use https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/cbftp-svn/ but it only works when i manually go into the directory, apply the patch (the prepare() function) and build the application (the build() function) the resulting binary works. when i then remove the functions from the PKGBUILD and just package the binary i
2021-08-06 12:20:13	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - cbftp-svn (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-08-06 12:20:15	f1refly	made, it executes correctly after installing. when i use the PKGBUILD it segfaults when trying to read the programs config file
2021-08-06 12:20:39	f1refly	Any ideas what the issue could be? I just don't understand why it only works when i execute the steps manually...
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2021-08-06 12:35:22	Namarrgon	have you tried building it in a clean environment?
2021-08-06 12:35:22	Namarrgon	seems to work fine here
2021-08-06 12:35:22	f1refly	what do you mean with clean environment?
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2021-08-06 12:35:22	Namarrgon	at least it doesn't segfault
2021-08-06 12:35:22	Namarrgon	f1refly: a chroot, container, etc
2021-08-06 12:35:22	f1refly	try starting it a second time
2021-08-06 12:35:22	f1refly	it only segfaults with a datafile
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2021-08-06 12:35:22	Namarrgon	it still doesn't explode
2021-08-06 12:35:22	f1refly	it creates its data file automatically at .cbftp/data
2021-08-06 12:35:22	f1refly	hm
2021-08-06 12:35:22	f1refly	okay
2021-08-06 12:35:23	Namarrgon	maybe something in the environment pollutes the build
2021-08-06 12:35:23	f1refly	maybe
2021-08-06 12:35:23	f1refly	:/
2021-08-06 12:35:23	PocketKiller	try makepkg with the -C option
2021-08-06 12:35:23	Namarrgon	f1refly: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:Building_in_a_clean_chroot#Convenience_way
2021-08-06 12:35:23	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:Building in a clean chroot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-06 12:35:23	f1refly	I'll try that option
2021-08-06 12:35:23	f1refly	and the chroot one if it still does not work
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2021-08-06 12:43:07	⚡ 	mongy just built in chroot with aurutils™, run it, it ran...
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2021-08-06 12:43:28	CarloWood	I counted the number of log lines per day in ~/.log/jack/jackdbus.log : https://gyazo.com/7f667a6579e627bf2c2bc490af2172f6
2021-08-06 12:43:29	phrik	Title: Screenshot - 7f667a6579e627bf2c2bc490af2172f6 - Gyazo (at gyazo.com)
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2021-08-06 12:56:13	CarloWood	I don't seem to have logrotate installed. Is there another utility on Arch that provides this functionality?
2021-08-06 12:56:57	Namarrgon	nope
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2021-08-06 13:02:58	earnestly	If you want to use logrotate then install and configure it as desired
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2021-08-06 13:19:24	GuiToris	hello, I have a message and header cache folder, do you think (neo)mutt can prefetch new messages without calling the main program directly?
2021-08-06 13:21:43	Luyin	Namarrgon: yes, I got a warning from pacman/trizen that the package isn't in the repos any more. I don't know how I got it, but nothing depended on it, so I removed it.
2021-08-06 13:21:53	Luyin	which log file did you mean? pacman's?
2021-08-06 13:22:35	Namarrgon	Luyin: look at the hook again, it redirects the output to a logfile
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2021-08-06 13:27:58	Luyin	Namarrgon: ah it seems it used to be a dep for pandoc
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2021-08-06 13:29:22	Luyin	Namarrgon: weird, haskell-haddock-library is a dependency. I wonder whether something broke here when updating 1.9 to 1.10
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2021-08-06 13:36:40	DilithiumNO3	littlepap: nice try
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2021-08-06 13:38:28	Namarrgon	Luyin: i don't know what the unregister script does but you could follow it manually and clean up if there's anything left on the system
2021-08-06 13:38:44	Luyin	Namarrgon: hmmm
2021-08-06 13:38:59	Luyin	I think I'll just keep it in mind in case my laptop won't boot on Monday. It's only the work one anyway :D
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2021-08-06 13:42:14	emanuele6	hello. is there not an option to limit `pacman -F "$filename"` output to installed packages?
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2021-08-06 13:45:47	slimefoot	emanuele6: if you want to know which package owns a file on your system, check -Qo $filename
2021-08-06 13:49:15	emanuele6	slimefoot: thank you, but it doesn't seem to work for some files
2021-08-06 13:49:54	slimefoot	emanuele6: have you got an example?
2021-08-06 13:50:16	emanuele6	/exec -o pacman -F ldd.1.gz
2021-08-06 13:50:21	emanuele6	core/man-pages 5.08-1 [installed: 5.12-2]
2021-08-06 13:50:24	emanuele6	    usr/share/man/man1/ldd.1.gz
2021-08-06 13:50:26	emanuele6	community/man-pages-cs 0.18.20090209-7
2021-08-06 13:50:28	emanuele6	    usr/share/man/cs/man1/ldd.1.gz
2021-08-06 13:50:30	emanuele6	community/man-pages-zh_cn 1.6.3.4-2
2021-08-06 13:50:32	emanuele6	    usr/share/man/zh_CN/man1/ldd.1.gz
2021-08-06 13:50:34	emanuele6	community/man-pages-zh_tw 1.6.3.4-2
2021-08-06 13:50:36	emanuele6	    usr/share/man/zh_TW/man1/ldd.1.gz
2021-08-06 13:50:36	Foxboron	ohno
2021-08-06 13:50:37	slimefoot	uhm...
2021-08-06 13:50:38	emanuele6	/exec -o pacman -Qo ldd.1.gz
2021-08-06 13:50:59	emanuele6	ok, oops
2021-08-06 13:51:05	CarloWood	He didn't specify a full path...
2021-08-06 13:51:07	slimefoot	!give emanuele6 !paste
2021-08-06 13:51:07	phrik	emanuele6: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
2021-08-06 13:51:34	⚡ 	slimefoot is confused
2021-08-06 13:51:39	slimefoot	oh!
2021-08-06 13:51:42	slimefoot	!give emanuele6 paste
2021-08-06 13:51:42	phrik	emanuele6: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-06 13:51:47	CarloWood	emanuele6: pacman -Qo /usr/share/man/zh_TW/man1/ldd.1.gz
2021-08-06 13:51:55	emanuele6	ok, but that is not what i asked
2021-08-06 13:51:56	CarloWood	You have to specify the full path
2021-08-06 13:52:58	slimefoot	this is getting a bit XY-y - what's the goal, actually?
2021-08-06 13:53:32	emanuele6	it is not xy, i'm reporting a bug to man-pages and i want to show that ldd.1.gz is owned by core/man-pages
2021-08-06 13:54:00	emanuele6	-Qo seems to only search in PATH
2021-08-06 13:54:14	CarloWood	Just give it the full path.
2021-08-06 13:54:40	emanuele6	`pacman -Qo ldd` doesn't require the full path, but `-Qo .../ldd.1.gz` does
2021-08-06 13:55:13	emanuele6	CarloWood: i will, but that is not the same as `pacman -F filename` that is what i was asking for
2021-08-06 13:55:40	CarloWood	So? If you want to show that /usr/share/man/man1/ldd.1.gz is owned by core/man-pages, then why do you insist on not giving the full path?
2021-08-06 13:56:13	emanuele6	i'm just saying that it is not what i was asking
2021-08-06 13:56:24	CarloWood	That is right, you can't show installed packages that have files that match some reg.exp. You'll need to write a script for that.
2021-08-06 13:56:33	emanuele6	and i am not insisting, i said i'm going to use the full path
2021-08-06 13:56:36	ntwk	I have a system that wasn't hasn't been updated in ~10 months.  Unfortunately, I ran 'pacman -S pacman' and it updated pacman.  The latest version of pacman is linked against libraries which I don't currently have installed.  I therefore can't use pacman to install anything.  What the best approach to get a working pacman and update this system?
2021-08-06 13:56:45	CarloWood	pacman -F is explicitly for uninstalled packages.
2021-08-06 13:56:57	CarloWood	(or all of them)
2021-08-06 13:57:19	emanuele6	CarloWood: and i asked for an option to limit the result to installed packages in the original question
2021-08-06 13:57:28	emanuele6	whatever, there is no option
2021-08-06 13:57:35	Luyin	ntwk: maybe downgrade pacman again and make a full upgrade?
2021-08-06 13:57:51	CarloWood	downgrade without a working pacman?
2021-08-06 13:57:59	Luyin	fair :D
2021-08-06 13:58:00	ntwk	Luyin: downgrade pacman how?  pacman now isn't working.
2021-08-06 13:58:22	CarloWood	emanuele6: I saw that. It can't be done.
2021-08-06 13:58:30	mpan	ntwk: that implies you had a partial upgrade to start with, which is unsupported.
2021-08-06 13:58:34	ntwk	In hindsight, pacman -S pacman was not a good idea.
2021-08-06 13:58:45	mpan	ntwk: I mean: the underlying problem is that you already had a broken system long before that.
2021-08-06 13:58:51	mpan	ntwk: aside from that, grab pacman-static and use it.
2021-08-06 13:59:06	slimefoot	emanuele6: the answer appears to be "no", but then it's also legitimate to ask back why you need that - and it turns out that you don't actually need -F at all - that's classic XY
2021-08-06 13:59:21	ntwk	Right, a statically linked build will hopefully get me out of this mess.
2021-08-06 14:00:52	CarloWood	emanuele6: I normally use this (I just can't seem to remember how to use pacman): http://carlowood.github.io/howto/arch.html
2021-08-06 14:00:53	phrik	Title: HOWTO archlinux, cheat sheet (at carlowood.github.io)
2021-08-06 14:02:07	CarloWood	So you'd click on (I have already) "Installed files" and that brings you to pacman -Qo /path/file
2021-08-06 14:02:44	CarloWood	It also states, below that: To search for regular expressions matching filenames (or descriptions) one can use: pacman -Qs <regexp>
2021-08-06 14:02:54	CarloWood	But then you also get descriptions thus.
2021-08-06 14:05:07	emanuele6	CarloWood: the description of -Qs is wrong
2021-08-06 14:05:09	slimefoot	CarloWood: -Qs doesn't search files - it merely searches names and descriptions
2021-08-06 14:05:16	emanuele6	^
2021-08-06 14:05:23	CarloWood	Oh dang
2021-08-06 14:05:43	CarloWood	I better change that then :/
2021-08-06 14:06:37	emanuele6	i noticed that the pacman(1) man page does not describe -Qo correctly
2021-08-06 14:07:01	emanuele6	> Search for packages that own the specified file(s). The path can be relative or absolute, and one or more files can be specified.
2021-08-06 14:07:18	emanuele6	it doesn't say that the path must be absolute if the file is not in PATH
2021-08-06 14:08:47	demize	Because that would be incorrect, it doesn't have to be absolute if it's not in PATH.
2021-08-06 14:09:09	emanuele6	oh, relative or absolute, not filename or absolute path
2021-08-06 14:09:12	emanuele6	yeah
2021-08-06 14:09:25	emanuele6	it just omits that information, it is not incorrect 
2021-08-06 14:16:01	emanuele6	CarloWood: i think that that paragraph should be in the "Installed Files" now
2021-08-06 14:16:31	emanuele6	s/should/& not/
2021-08-06 14:16:59	CarloWood	I thought about that... but then got lazy: you're still searching for installed packages :p
2021-08-06 14:17:47	CarloWood	The whole page is a hack anyway, the original that I used was http://carlowood.github.io/howto/debian.html
2021-08-06 14:17:48	phrik	Title: HOWTO debian, cheat sheet (at carlowood.github.io)
2021-08-06 14:17:57	CarloWood	and then I made this one because now I'm using arch
2021-08-06 14:19:31	demonicmaniac	just use the pacman rosetta page?
2021-08-06 14:19:39	demonicmaniac	that's probably at least always mostly up to date
2021-08-06 14:19:45	CarloWood	where is that page?
2021-08-06 14:19:54	slimefoot	!aw pacman/rosetta
2021-08-06 14:19:54	phrik	slimefoot: Pacman/Rosetta - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Rosetta
2021-08-06 14:20:07	slimefoot	or... just the man page :-}
2021-08-06 14:20:33	slimefoot	(I mean, no joking, but parts of your page there already look like a reworded excerpt from pacman(8))
2021-08-06 14:20:38	demonicmaniac	sure manpage is just "the other way round" as it were
2021-08-06 14:20:43	CarloWood	That's an awesome page.
2021-08-06 14:20:58	demonicmaniac	in terms of what i want to do vs listing of commands and then what commands do
2021-08-06 14:23:59	CarloWood	I am leaning towards just asking a noobish sounding question in english now, where I'm not really know what I want and am making mistakes in my question - not to meantion the XY problem - and then have an A.I. figure out what I really need and point me to a page with the exact answer for that specific problem.
2021-08-06 14:24:10	CarloWood	Aka - Google, not long man pages.
2021-08-06 14:30:59	aminvakil	Foxboron: that actually crossed my mind, but i didn't think i have permission to open a todolist, do I?
2021-08-06 14:32:00	aminvakil	and i thought these packages have different maintainers, so who i should i tell to open a todo list?
2021-08-06 14:32:16	Foxboron	aminvakil: you don't, which is why you make one bugreport with the issue and all the packages and suggest one :)
2021-08-06 14:33:49	aminvakil	Foxboron: fine, i will list all packages in one bug report next time i've found these kinds of problems
2021-08-06 14:34:05	Foxboron	aminvakil: thanks :)
2021-08-06 14:34:16	aminvakil	Foxboron: thank you!
2021-08-06 14:34:18	Foxboron	nps!
2021-08-06 14:34:29	Foxboron	aminvakil: https://archlinux.org/todo/change-dependency-from-python-setuptools_scm-to-python-setuptools-scm/ :)
2021-08-06 14:34:30	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Todo: Change dependency from python-setuptools_scm to python-setuptools-scm (at archlinux.org)
2021-08-06 14:34:56	aminvakil	yeah i just saw this, thanks
2021-08-06 14:42:41	bud	hello i just realized that when i select text (in editor or browser) and drag, the scroll is way too fast.
2021-08-06 14:43:10	bud	not sure if it is "hardware" or software related, since i am using a lot "new" programs on this install.
2021-08-06 14:43:16	bud	with "new" i mean old.
2021-08-06 14:43:44	bud	well, in this window (XChat) it seems to be good, almost slow.
2021-08-06 14:44:02	bud	but in sublime text 2 and qutebrowser, the speed is too fast.
2021-08-06 14:44:38	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-06 14:44:43	bud	the speed seems to be just as too fast in both the applications, so i thought is there some xinput thing or something i can do>
2021-08-06 14:45:25	bud	wheel scroll speed is fine. It is only when i select text and drag.
2021-08-06 14:46:00	bud	no matter how i google i just get: my ubunutu mouse wheel is too fast.
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2021-08-06 14:46:58	bud	also tested in terminal (URxvt) dragscroll is ok. maybe it is some setting in the programs
2021-08-06 14:47:01	teraflops	bud: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/libinput look at your mouse capabilities and play a bit I guess
2021-08-06 14:47:03	phrik	Title: libinput - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-06 14:47:16	bud	thanks teraflops 
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2021-08-06 15:18:08	Namarrgon	hello
2021-08-06 15:22:12	intelfx	how do you submit patches to official packages? or discuss things with the packager in a less formal way than submitting a bugreport?
2021-08-06 15:22:23	intelfx	i'm deep down the rabbit-hole of building gstreamer 1.19 (for myself, to try out the bluetooth codecs in PA 15.0) and I think that one of its transitive dependencies far down the chain is probably built in a wrong way.
2021-08-06 15:22:44	Namarrgon	you can email the maintainer
2021-08-06 15:23:18	intelfx	is that something that's generally acceptable? mailing someone's personal address is usually the last thing to do
2021-08-06 15:23:58	Namarrgon	as long as it's kept professional it shouldn't be a problem
2021-08-06 15:24:08	intelfx	roger
2021-08-06 15:36:38	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-06 15:53:22	zeraphel	This is probably the wrong place to ask this,  But has anyone observed xclip stopping to function after a certain time?
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2021-08-06 16:02:20	sukhman	hlo guys how can i add environment variable to $PATH with name qutebrowser. 
2021-08-06 16:02:40	mpan	sukhman: PATH="$PATH:$VARIABLE"
2021-08-06 16:02:43	sukhman	i know how to add path to PATH variable but don't know how can i add name in it
2021-08-06 16:02:53	mpan	What do you mean by “add name”?
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2021-08-06 16:03:50	sukhman	export qutebrowser=/user/bin/....  export PATH="$PATH:$qutebrowser"
2021-08-06 16:03:54	sukhman	is that right?
2021-08-06 16:04:19	mpan	`export` is probably not needed, but otherwise yes.
2021-08-06 16:04:38	mpan	I mean: `export quotebrowser` is not needed. PATH is likely needing exporting.
2021-08-06 16:05:11	sukhman	i defined variable first and then use that name in path. Some were saying variable name should be in capital letter!!?
2021-08-06 16:05:22	mpan	Technically? No.
2021-08-06 16:06:07	mpan	Though there is a convention to use UPPER_CASE_WITH_UNDERSCORES for variables to be passed to programs, and lower case to be reserved for locally used vars.
2021-08-06 16:06:19	slimefoot	convention is to name environment variables in uppercase - and perhaps also readonly variables in scripts
2021-08-06 16:06:56	sukhman	ok
2021-08-06 16:07:01	sukhman	thanks guys
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2021-08-06 16:11:37	JayDoubleu	Anyone running arch on ostree ?
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2021-08-06 16:25:45	thomasb06	hello. how would you guys install a package from a rescue medium? It's two days I try, but it seems if the iso hasn't the package tree, it won't work
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2021-08-06 16:26:54	thrice	I would mount the target to /mnt, gain internet access with iwctl, and install
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2021-08-06 16:31:05	thomasb06	thrice: what I did was to mount the partition sda5 on /mnt/mysys, mount the cdrom in /mnt/source
2021-08-06 16:31:17	thomasb06	and then try something like 
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2021-08-06 16:31:23	thrice	wait, what cdrom?
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2021-08-06 16:31:42	thrice	also, the arch ISO really needs a network connection
2021-08-06 16:31:47	thrice	everything pulls from the web
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2021-08-06 16:32:09	thomasb06	(it's under fedora or suse, don't remember) `rpm -ivh --force --root /mnt/mysys /mnt/source/Packages/zsh*.rpm`
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2021-08-06 16:32:48	thomasb06	my daily drive is Arch, but I'm trying other distros in VM to train...
2021-08-06 16:32:59	⚡ 	thomasb06 is a noob...
2021-08-06 16:33:01	niki	is this a question unrelated to arch linux? 
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2021-08-06 16:33:23	thomasb06	no, but the principle should be the same
2021-08-06 16:33:29	thrice	no, it's not
2021-08-06 16:33:50	thomasb06	ah... maybe i should ask at #fedora then
2021-08-06 16:33:53	thrice	well, it is, pacman can install local packages, but this channel is just for arch linux
2021-08-06 16:34:22	thrice	also, how do you not know which distro you are actually trying to interact with?  That seems like a good step 1 :D
2021-08-06 16:34:26	thomasb06	no bother, if the system is very different, you can't tell for sure
2021-08-06 16:34:54	niki	package management is one of the things where the distributions are actually not at all the same :p
2021-08-06 16:35:02	thrice	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Rosetta
2021-08-06 16:35:03	phrik	Title: pacman/Rosetta - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-06 16:35:09	thomasb06	because I've been trying on several rpm based and it never worked
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2021-08-06 16:35:42	thomasb06	nevermind, i join #fedora and I'll let you know
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2021-08-06 16:37:10	niki	thrice: that's a cool table, thanks
2021-08-06 16:37:33	ℹ 	ahmubashshir es conocido ahora como shanto05
2021-08-06 16:37:40	ℹ 	shanto05 es conocido ahora como ahmubashshir
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2021-08-06 16:44:05	thomasb06	by the way, it's a few days when I click a link, Firefox says it's running already. An idea what I've broken?
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2021-08-06 16:44:05	thomasb06	a link in zathura, or irc or other
2021-08-06 16:44:05	thomasb06	usually, it opens the link in a new tab but not anymore
2021-08-06 16:44:06	nawcom	run pgrep firefox in terminal and see if in fact there's a lingering process
2021-08-06 16:44:06	nawcom	kill it if there is
2021-08-06 16:44:06	niki	There might be a lock file you have to delete if there is no firefox actually running
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2021-08-06 16:44:06	thomasb06	nawcom: well, it's running actually. But I wonder why before the link would open a tab and now it open an instance of firefox
2021-08-06 16:44:20	thomasb06	niki: firefox is open, but the link tries to open an instance again
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2021-08-06 16:52:47	thomasb06	niki: thrice: so, even at #fedora they install from the repo. Otherwise, the medium needs the full package tree
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2021-08-06 16:58:19	slimefoot	thomasb06: is the other instance of firefox perhaps running on another X display?
2021-08-06 16:58:26	slimefoot	might happen if you're logged in on two different TTYs
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2021-08-06 16:59:14	teraflops	not the first time I read here this issue, maybe there's a bug report somewhere
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2021-08-06 17:01:13	thomasb06	slimefoot: recently, I changed my firefox call with `exec MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 firefox`
2021-08-06 17:01:26	thomasb06	maybe it's the reason
2021-08-06 17:01:34	thomasb06	teraflops: ah, i'm not alone...
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2021-08-06 17:01:45	slimefoot	oh, this is on wayland..
2021-08-06 17:01:51	⚡ 	slimefoot bails - "sorry!"
2021-08-06 17:02:55	thomasb06	slimefoot: thanks though
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2021-08-06 17:03:50	thomasb06	maybe I'll ask at #sway
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2021-08-06 17:13:09	dotz0cat[m]	I have a question about colors in xresourses. Is there a scheme to the colors that are defined? Like one is a background color another is foreground. Another is the compliment.
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2021-08-06 17:19:16	teraflops	dotz0cat[m]: idk what you mean exactly, there is this http://ix.io/3val
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2021-08-06 17:22:17	dotz0cat[m]	I am meaning like in the colors 0-15
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2021-08-06 17:28:41	nij-	Hello! Whenever my machine runs slow or hot, I check what processes are eating the resources with `htop`. However, I find there are lots of redundent/dead processes in htop, disturbing my finding the true eater.
2021-08-06 17:29:09	nij-	For example, there are so many lines of `qutebrowser` in `htop` view. Many of them are "dead". I wonder why this is the case, and how to resolve it.
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2021-08-06 17:29:40	mpan	nij-: define “dead”
2021-08-06 17:30:14	thomasb06	maybe zombie
2021-08-06 17:30:49	slimefoot	dotz0cat[m]: colours 0 to 15 follow the ANSI colour scheme (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_escape_code#8-bit)
2021-08-06 17:30:49	mpan	Maybe, but that is not specified yet.
2021-08-06 17:30:49	phrik	Title: ANSI escape code - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2021-08-06 17:31:03	slimefoot	what is used for foreground/background is pretty application-specific, though
2021-08-06 17:31:51	nij-	Ok.. it's not dead, but they seem to be inactive. Lemme post my view:
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2021-08-06 17:33:46	mpan	Most processes will be inactive normally. Seeing more than 2–5 of them actually running on an average system is normal.
2021-08-06 17:34:03	nij-	I can't copy and paste.. hmm
2021-08-06 17:34:12	teraflops	thomasb06: zombies are undead actually :D
2021-08-06 17:34:27	nij-	Right now I have ~25 lines of qutebrowser.
2021-08-06 17:34:47	thrice	chromium does the same
2021-08-06 17:34:47	mpan	nij-: you mean that they have ‘S’ as their status?
2021-08-06 17:34:52	teraflops	nij-: from where are you trying to grab the output?
2021-08-06 17:34:53	nij-	They all have different PIDs and TIME+.
2021-08-06 17:34:59	mpan	nij-: that is completely normal.
2021-08-06 17:35:00	nij-	Yes, status=S
2021-08-06 17:35:02	demonicmaniac	nij-: f2 - display options - hide userland process threads
2021-08-06 17:35:09	nij-	teraflops `htop`
2021-08-06 17:35:27	demonicmaniac	any browser/gui application/whatever will have a multitude of threads spawned from one main process
2021-08-06 17:35:30	demonicmaniac	or f5 for tree view
2021-08-06 17:35:50	mpan	Browers will nowadays have multiple processes actually.
2021-08-06 17:35:57	nij-	demonicmaniac: OH! Great :)
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2021-08-06 17:36:23	mpan	(and in Linux distinction between processes and native threads is nearly non-existent)
2021-08-06 17:36:25	nij-	Does that mean I can terminate a specific thread as I wish?!
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2021-08-06 17:37:57	ℹ 	teraflops es conocido ahora como Guest2080
2021-08-06 17:37:57	ℹ 	Eres conocido ahora como teraflops
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2021-08-06 17:42:33	oramirite	I have an archiso profile I've been using for the past 8 months without issue, but I haven't built it in about a month and am suddenly having issues booting. Build process still seems to go fine and I haven't made any major changes. Is anyone aware of any archiso changes or issues lately that might be at fault?
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2021-08-06 17:44:15	oramirite	...or how to approach troubleshooting this maybe? I'm at a bit of a loss as it's a very simple setup that basically just installs ZFS into the ISO
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2021-08-06 17:44:43	nij-	Maybe the keyring is too old, leading to some package installation failure?
2021-08-06 17:44:57	nij-	I remember having similar issues last year. 
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2021-08-06 17:50:47	thrice	omnigoat: I know nothing of archiso.  But, it's a git hosted project, perhaps browsing commits?
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2021-08-06 17:51:27	omnigoat	noted. prolly wrong hilight tho
2021-08-06 17:51:45	thrice	oramirite: *  :D
2021-08-06 17:51:49	oramirite	sorry, I meant mkarchiso
2021-08-06 17:51:50	hanna	oramirite: update your pacman mirrors with reflector then run `pacman -Syy` for some reason the database files are broken on the iso initially. At least if you're having the same issues I had.
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2021-08-06 17:52:18	oramirite	thanks all these are great suggestions and making me less stressed about fixing it :P
2021-08-06 17:52:33	oramirite	this is being done on a VM I've had sitting around forever so likely suggestions
2021-08-06 17:53:34	hanna	I will say that a few days ago that archzfs' zfs-linux package wasn't up to date with the latest kernel so I'm using the dkms module.
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2021-08-06 17:54:04	thomasb06	teraflops: lol good point
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2021-08-06 17:55:31	oramirite	@hanna oh yeah... I'm painfully familiar with that issue and have a solution for it thankfully :)
2021-08-06 17:55:45	hanna	nice
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2021-08-06 17:56:27	oramirite	I do hate that though lol
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2021-08-06 17:58:28	thrice	use in-tree file systems then
2021-08-06 17:58:31	⚡ 	thrice runs
2021-08-06 17:58:40	oramirite	yeah you better run
2021-08-06 17:58:41	oramirite	:P
2021-08-06 17:59:07	oramirite	God forbid I use an operating system to run software written for it!
2021-08-06 17:59:41	thrice	especially when the result is non-booting if you aren't paying attention
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2021-08-06 17:59:54	oramirite	it's not actually, when configured properly
2021-08-06 18:00:01	hanna	Used btrfs beforehand but it has more prevalent issues sometimes
2021-08-06 18:00:22	oramirite	I find the instructions for ZFS roots are really overly complicated sometimes
2021-08-06 18:00:35	hanna	certainly lol
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2021-08-06 18:00:46	oramirite	also in case y'all have never seen ZFSBootMenu it's amazing
2021-08-06 18:00:58	oramirite	helps a lot with booting from ZFS and with a lot of failure states
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2021-08-06 18:02:15	oramirite	but I feel like most of the time these statements are just a thinly veiled "fuck Oracle and Elison and everything they both stand for" which is totally something I can get behind. So I won't get too defensive :P
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2021-08-06 18:03:54	hanna	I use gummiboot mainly
2021-08-06 18:04:09	thrice	gummiboot hasn't been a thing for years :)
2021-08-06 18:04:22	hanna	it's the same thing as systemd-boot 
2021-08-06 18:04:36	NetSysFire	gummiboot turned into systemd-boot eventually
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2021-08-06 18:04:43	hanna	yea
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2021-08-06 18:06:56	thrice	oramirite: nah, I definitely see the technical reasons why people like it.  I just use a simple laptop, and store most of my stuff online, so don't need that level of backups or sophistication
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2021-08-06 18:07:49	oramirite	yeah I build a lot of fileservers so it's definitely in my realm of usecases
2021-08-06 18:12:02	oramirite	I just started using systemd-boot as an alternate to ZFS root though - seems nice
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2021-08-06 18:15:24	chazy	hi, does someone dual boot windows and had problems mounting an ntfs partition created with mkfs.ntfs?
2021-08-06 18:16:08	chazy	i have no idea if it's a problem with the way ntfs-3g is implemented or if it's a windows bug
2021-08-06 18:16:31	teraflops	mounting from where? the windows OS?
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2021-08-06 18:19:19	hanna	oramirite: yeah boots quite fast, config is super simple to setup. 
2021-08-06 18:19:43	hanna	I've been meaning to buy some 1Us to setup a personal cloud of sorts.
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2021-08-06 18:22:46	oramirite	dooo it
2021-08-06 18:23:23	chazy	teraflops, yeah, i'm trying to mount this partition in windows but it doesn't work, i was wondering if it was a ntfs-3g bug, asking to see if some else had this problem
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2021-08-06 18:29:57	oramirite	ugh, wtf - still getting an error on this arch iso :/
2021-08-06 18:30:01	oramirite	blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 1003128 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x80700 phys_seg 1 prio class 0
2021-08-06 18:30:07	oramirite	just a bunch of those
2021-08-06 18:30:21	oramirite	right after - :: Mounting '/dev/loop0' to '/run/archiso/airootfs'
2021-08-06 18:30:51	oramirite	I'm mounting these ISOs over IPMI but I don't think that should be affecting it because gonig right back to my previously working ISO works fine
2021-08-06 18:31:37	oramirite	weirdly, my IPMI interface lists the drive as "ejected" after a bad boot too and I have to remount it
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2021-08-06 18:33:12	Hello71	sounds like there is something wrong with your storage, lol
2021-08-06 18:33:25	Hello71	or the firmware sucks which is true in general
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2021-08-06 18:40:03	ice9	there are many times where the whole system freezed and i have to hard reset because of out of memory, so why the OOM killer didn't do its' job?
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2021-08-06 18:42:27	thrice	no swap?
2021-08-06 18:42:35	grazzolini	ice9: 1) do you have swap? 2) enable sysrq keys 3) you might also want to try an early oomd solution
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2021-08-06 18:55:54	mmt	hello guys i set up an nginx server locally, trying to download a file served with curl from another device on lan
2021-08-06 18:56:01	mmt	it only gets 4kb of 4mbs
2021-08-06 18:56:06	mmt	any idea what i'm doing wrong?
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2021-08-06 18:58:46	Edu4rdSHL	mmt, and what's downloaded in the file?
2021-08-06 18:58:52	Edu4rdSHL	Binary or some html code?
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2021-08-06 18:59:37	mmt	Edu4rdSHL: it's a firmware file with .bin extension
2021-08-06 19:00:00	mmt	i'm trying to download it to the router which i have a netcat connection to
2021-08-06 19:00:06	mmt	it provides both curl and wget
2021-08-06 19:00:16	mmt	curl downloads only 4k of 4mb file
2021-08-06 19:00:26	mmt	wget gets a 404 error
2021-08-06 19:00:29	Edu4rdSHL	mmt, but the 4k are binary or other thing?
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2021-08-06 19:00:36	Edu4rdSHL	That's what Im asking
2021-08-06 19:01:10	mmt	yes it's a binary
2021-08-06 19:01:42	mmt	but it's corrupt, it's a single file with 4mb size
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2021-08-06 19:09:02	lantech19446	How would I search for info about a program that's not installed on my system like I want to know what it is is that pacman -Qi?
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2021-08-06 19:12:17	teraflops	chazy: tried the check partition for errors windows thingy?
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2021-08-06 19:41:37	lantech19446	I don't know what the right combination of switches is that's what i'm asking
2021-08-06 19:49:16	grazzolini	lantech19446: the equivalent for sync to -Qi is -Si
2021-08-06 19:50:02	lantech19446	and -Si will give me information about a package that is not installed
2021-08-06 19:51:01	grazzolini	lantech19446: it will show information on the sync database. so, it works for both packages you have installed and packages that you don't
2021-08-06 19:51:08	lantech19446	ok
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2021-08-06 20:42:06	lakiluki	Hey, any idea how I could recover a dead SD card? The kernel reports `mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card`
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2021-08-06 20:42:18	lakiluki	and `mtp-probe` doesn't recognize it as a valid MTP device
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2021-08-06 20:43:12	jamesp	I downloaded the signature for the Arch Linux ISO and it's corrupted, with random characters, and GPG couldn't verify it. How do I figure out the checksum for my Arch ISO myself over the command line? I'm using Ubuntu, switching to Arch
2021-08-06 20:43:12	thrice	go to amazon and buy another?
2021-08-06 20:43:45	lakiluki	thrice: It's not about the SD card, it's about the data that wasn't backed up :^)
2021-08-06 20:43:58	v3n0m	hi, i have a question. Is running pass init lol@abc.com safe? Keeping in mind i don't have a gpg key for this email in my machine and it searched on wks for the key. what could be the security issues?
2021-08-06 20:44:15	lakiluki	obviously /dev/mmc0 doesn't get created and it doesnt show up as a block device anywhere
2021-08-06 20:44:22	teraflops	it'd dead so call a chaman?
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2021-08-06 21:01:58	v3n0m	why could that be?
2021-08-06 21:02:38	v3n0m	and besides accessing my password, can there be any other security risk to this? I haven't done anything else with my key and generate it via non sudo
2021-08-06 21:03:04	v3n0m	i don't know a a lot about gpg keys, so
2021-08-06 21:03:38	lakiluki	try doing something like `gpg --list-packets <file>` on one of the files in `~/.password-store`, just to be sure
2021-08-06 21:04:08	lakiluki	if you encrypt it with a public key that you don't have a private key for, you can't access it
2021-08-06 21:04:41	lakiluki	and if you're encrypting with your own key pair, you should be good as long as you're the only person in possesion of the private key
2021-08-06 21:04:50	DilithiumNO3	that's how asymmetric works after all
2021-08-06 21:05:41	lakiluki	btw, any ideas for the dead sd card thing? could I somehow debug the driver to figure out what's going on?
2021-08-06 21:06:31	DilithiumNO3	when you encrypt stuff in GPG asymmetrically (-e), it's an "any sender, one recipient" kind of deal
2021-08-06 21:06:48	DilithiumNO3	the recipient's public key being what you encrypt with
2021-08-06 21:06:56	DilithiumNO3	as opposed to signatures
2021-08-06 21:07:27	v3n0m	well, it did say my own key was for it by doing --list-packets
2021-08-06 21:07:44	v3n0m	but why do the gpg search for wks while initializing a pass store
2021-08-06 21:07:47	v3n0m	*on wks
2021-08-06 21:09:30	v3n0m	and let's say i use someone else's public key pulled from wks for which i don't have the private key for initializing a pass store, how could they access my passwords when the pass store is in my computer?
2021-08-06 21:09:59	v3n0m	when initializing a pass store
2021-08-06 21:11:05	lakiluki	v3n0m: they couldn't, unless they get a hold of the encrypted file store, which is still considered a risk
2021-08-06 21:11:30	lakiluki	though I don't really get the use case of encrypting data with a random public key, but oh well
2021-08-06 21:11:50	lakiluki	try passing the key id rather than the email to `pass init`
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2021-08-06 21:15:52	v3n0m	btw, i generated the key using gpg --full-generate-key, it created the key for me, now i can list it using gpg --list-public-keys, does this mean, my key is really like public?
2021-08-06 21:16:07	jonathon	:/
2021-08-06 21:16:25	jonathon	a public key it the part you share
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2021-08-06 21:16:36	jonathon	a private key is the part you keep secret
2021-08-06 21:16:59	jonathon	you might want to do a quick bit of reading about public key cryptography
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2021-08-06 21:17:24	v3n0m	i mean that key can be accessed/decrypted by anyone?
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2021-08-06 21:17:35	jamesp	It looks like EvoWise CDN no longer works. Linux Mint has hidden it from their options and so you guys at Arch should remove it too.
2021-08-06 21:17:38	jonathon	(likely to be much more efficient than a line-by-line explanation on IRC)
2021-08-06 21:17:54	jonathon	v3n0m: no, a public key means anyone can encrypt it and you can decrypt it with the secret key
2021-08-06 21:18:04	jonathon	but only if they have a copy of the public key
2021-08-06 21:18:12	jonathon	which isn't sent anywhere unless you do so
2021-08-06 21:18:18	lakiluki	v3n0m: the public key is public only if you share or publish it -- but yeah, reffer to jonathon's point about doing a quick read on the wiki
2021-08-06 21:18:37	v3n0m	okay, thanks
2021-08-06 21:18:46	v3n0m	i was just worried about security issues
2021-08-06 21:19:45	teraflops	the issue with this kind of stuff is not being aware on how they work
2021-08-06 21:19:49	jonathon	if you're looking for an easier-0to-use local password store then maybe something like keepassx ?
2021-08-06 21:20:27	v3n0m	btw, running a pentest distribution like parrot on docker on arch. Can it interefere with the files in your main os? like the files managed by pacman 
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2021-08-06 21:20:34	v3n0m	okay, thanks, i was just trying out pass
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2021-08-06 21:21:02	jonathon	if the question is, are containers 100% secure and isolated, then the answer is no
2021-08-06 21:21:21	Hello71	or if you assume the container is trusted
2021-08-06 21:21:25	lakiluki	never saw the use of a pentest distribution anyways lmao
2021-08-06 21:21:30	lakiluki	let alone it being in a container
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2021-08-06 21:22:06	Hello71	some of those tools are super annoying to compile and shit files everywhere
2021-08-06 21:22:19	Hello71	it's basically the same idea as flatpak/snap/whatever
2021-08-06 21:22:29	teraflops	sure but isn't a vm a better approach?
2021-08-06 21:22:53	v3n0m	so it can mess up with ur root files
2021-08-06 21:23:07	jonathon	yes, but people want to install hacker toolz on their os
2021-08-06 21:23:17	jonathon	(that was in response to teraflops)
2021-08-06 21:23:23	lakiluki	Hello71: yeah, but containers are really limiting, especially for security research
2021-08-06 21:24:04	lakiluki	I can't afford the overhead of a vm, so I just run it on my os, though I don't really use such obscure stuff anyways
2021-08-06 21:24:32	lakiluki	also, I feel like the majority of tools that come in such distros are often useless
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2021-08-06 21:24:59	lakiluki	and you end up using a tiny fraction of it, while having all of the other bloat stuff installed
2021-08-06 21:25:00	v3n0m	i mean docker isn't really isolated? so if i install one such os using a docker, my main os files could get messed. If that's what u mean
2021-08-06 21:25:33	jonathon	lakiluki: very likely. "this distro comes with 25 pre-installed tools" "Well, our distro comes with 50!" "100!" "10000!"
2021-08-06 21:27:02	jonathon	v3n0m: don't run untrusted code in a docker container
2021-08-06 21:27:02	v3n0m	cool
2021-08-06 21:27:02	jonathon	it's not an environment with hard isolation (unlike a full vm)
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2021-08-07 11:20:10	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1233 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1232 normals)
2021-08-07 10:17:12	Nact	joebobjoe: cut -c 9- | sed 's/\]\ \[/\n/g' | sed 's/\]//g'
2021-08-07 10:18:59	joebobjoe	it leaves spaces in front of some of the names
2021-08-07 10:19:04	joebobjoe	but good one thanks
2021-08-07 10:19:29	Nact	then just add another sed
2021-08-07 10:19:43	Nact	joebobjoe: cut -c 9- | sed 's/\]\ \[/\n/g' | sed 's/\]//g' | sed 's/\ //g'
2021-08-07 10:37:21	megumin	how to check voltage settings for amdgpu?
2021-08-07 10:37:55	megumin	> cat /sys/class/drm/card0/device/pp_od_clk_voltage
2021-08-07 10:37:59	megumin	no such file
2021-08-07 10:42:11	Tom^	megumin: you are gonna have to boot with amdgpu.ppfeaturemask=0xffffffff to enable overclocking/etc to get that file aswell.
2021-08-07 10:42:28	Tom^	that is assuming your card supports it.
2021-08-07 10:42:47	megumin	got it
2021-08-07 10:43:49	Tom^	there are other levels to that option too, but.
2021-08-07 11:14:56	evilop	jonathon: how about getting the list in a saner way than copy/paste off your irc client to begin with?
2021-08-07 11:15:17	evilop	er.. he left
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2021-08-07 11:21:41	Hax0r	Hello all, I'm new to Arch (4th day only).. which AUR helper should I use? Which one do most users use?
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2021-08-07 11:21:55	tonitch	Hello, is it normal that it took 2min for the userspace to load ?
2021-08-07 11:22:02	tonitch	~ >>> systemd-analyze
2021-08-07 11:22:05	tonitch	Startup finished in 20.464s (firmware) + 6.340s (loader) + 2.393s (kernel) + 2min 776ms (userspace) = 2min 2
2021-08-07 11:22:08	tonitch	graphical.target reached after 2min 752ms in userspace
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2021-08-07 11:22:23	tonitch	do you know what can be the cause? 
2021-08-07 11:22:55	evilop	Hax0r: none
2021-08-07 11:22:58	aminvakil	Hax0r: don't use any, make yourself comfortable with using PKGBUILD
2021-08-07 11:23:01	evilop	!give Hax0r aurhelpers
2021-08-07 11:23:02	phrik	Hax0r: Do not recommend AUR Helpers before establishing they fully understand the process of using makepkg. Also read http://jasonwryan.com/blog/2013/04/09/helpers/
2021-08-07 11:23:03	aminvakil	makepkg
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2021-08-07 11:23:24	evilop	tonitch: plot
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2021-08-07 11:23:33	aminvakil	tonitch: systemd-analyze blame
2021-08-07 11:23:33	evilop	tonitch: also critical-chain etc
2021-08-07 11:23:55	evilop	tonitch: note: some DMs will count in that userspace while it is waiting for you to log in
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2021-08-07 11:24:15	tonitch	I loged in quite fast today
2021-08-07 11:24:21	tonitch	as soon as lightdm poped
2021-08-07 11:24:44	tonitch	and what is plot ?
2021-08-07 11:24:57	evilop	man systemd-analyze
2021-08-07 11:25:36	tonitch	(tho, the part that I feel really long is when there is "arch blabla.... clering node xxx/xxxx"
2021-08-07 11:25:42	tonitch	ho yhea 
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2021-08-07 11:27:20	tonitch	ho... so systemd-networkd-wait-online.service took 2min 162ms
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2021-08-07 11:28:06	evilop	find out what wants to wait until you are online and do something about it if it doesn't actually have to wait until it is online before starting the gui
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2021-08-07 11:28:26	tonitch	yep, I'm on it
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2021-08-07 11:28:57	Donatzsky	Hax0r: Learn how to use PKGBUILDs. Once you're confident with those, use aur-tools for some convenience
2021-08-07 11:29:00	evilop	unless you are mounting /home over nfs or whatever you probably don't need it to block graphical target
2021-08-07 11:29:25	tonitch	I mount a folder inside my home directory but not my directory itself
2021-08-07 11:29:36	tonitch	like it's in /home/tonitch/public/<..>
2021-08-07 11:29:45	tonitch	over cifs
2021-08-07 11:30:11	evilop	do you need that *before* you log in?
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2021-08-07 11:30:25	evilop	if not then I would just mount on access instead
2021-08-07 11:30:35	tonitch	does mounting file is locking the boot process ?
2021-08-07 11:30:48	tonitch	evilop: not in fstab then ?
2021-08-07 11:30:52	evilop	unless you tell it not to then all mounts are blocking
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2021-08-07 11:31:14	evilop	tonitch: systemd has an automount on access directive you can use
2021-08-07 11:31:35	evilop	should work for network shares too
2021-08-07 11:31:36	tonitch	okay, systemd is really the brain noadays x)
2021-08-07 11:32:10	evilop	noauto,x-systemd.automount,_netdev
2021-08-07 11:32:36	evilop	might want to add x-systemd.mount-timeout=<seconds> too
2021-08-07 11:32:51	tonitch	okay thanks 
2021-08-07 11:33:05	evilop	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/fstab#Remote_filesystem
2021-08-07 11:33:06	phrik	Title: fstab - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-07 11:33:24	tonitch	thanks :D
2021-08-07 11:33:50	evilop	can speed up boot when mounting internal disks too by a lot if you don't need them until you actually access them
2021-08-07 11:34:04	evilop	I do that for one of my raid arrays that otherwise takes 20+ sec to mount
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2021-08-07 11:34:46	tonitch	I can do that with my hdd who has all my game then I suppose
2021-08-07 11:35:14	tonitch	they said that we can do that on home dir... wouldn't it be a problem to log in ?
2021-08-07 11:35:23	evilop	no
2021-08-07 11:35:40	evilop	will make the login take a bit longer but thats it
2021-08-07 11:35:54	evilop	if you ment on /home itself
2021-08-07 11:36:05	evilop	or /home/$USER
2021-08-07 11:36:23	tonitch	then why not do that on every drive but / and /boot
2021-08-07 11:36:30	tonitch	(or even /boot tho ?!)
2021-08-07 11:36:50	tonitch	and it mount /home 
2021-08-07 11:37:36	evilop	/ wouldn't make sense at all
2021-08-07 11:37:42	evilop	some people do use it for /boot
2021-08-07 11:38:08	evilop	you don't actually need access to /boot at runtime except possibly when upating the kernel/initrd
2021-08-07 11:38:27	tonitch	in my understanding, /boot is used at boot by grub then it's not really used by the system itself after that (maybe I miss something tho)
2021-08-07 11:38:33	evilop	so some people leave it unmounted in the hope that it will reduce the risk of corruption, or security
2021-08-07 11:39:06	tonitch	yhea why not... but now that I'm thinking about it, 512M is not much to handle isn't it ?
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2021-08-07 11:39:27	evilop	its not about the size (and mount time doesn't always map to size)
2021-08-07 11:39:35	tonitch	it took me 54ms (as systemd-analyze sais)
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2021-08-07 11:40:04	tonitch	and 8ms for my home dir ! x)
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2021-08-07 11:42:10	tonitch	btw, 20s for the firmware to load seems good ?
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2021-08-07 11:42:30	evilop	its crap, but a lot of firmware is crap so nothing much to do about it
2021-08-07 11:42:33	evilop	x570?
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2021-08-07 11:42:50	tonitch	hum...
2021-08-07 11:42:54	tonitch	don't remember letmecheck
2021-08-07 11:42:57	evilop	firmware update may help, on x570 amd managed to halve the boot time with a update
2021-08-07 11:43:12	evilop	uefi/bios settings can also possibly help
2021-08-07 11:43:51	ℹ 	tehrig4 es conocido ahora como tehrig
2021-08-07 11:44:33	tonitch	nothing related to arch here but is the 5sec of "press del to enter boot" is in it and if I disable it, would I be able to get into my boot again ?
2021-08-07 11:44:51	tonitch	I saw that option and I was a bit woried about soft locking myself
2021-08-07 11:44:52	evilop	usually not worth trying to optimise boot speed unless something is cleary derped and its taking minutes longer than it should
2021-08-07 11:45:27	evilop	tonitch: you can usually set post timeout to 0 and just spam del/f2 on boot and you will still get into the firmware just fine
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2021-08-07 11:45:44	evilop	is this a laptop?
2021-08-07 11:45:56	tonitch	nop
2021-08-07 11:46:01	ℹ 	motoko es conocido ahora como samus
2021-08-07 11:46:16	gulzar	Hi. I think I screwed by keyboard confg on newer installtion. The @ is coming as "       , "  priting as @   . where can this be? I am using plasma
2021-08-07 11:46:21	evilop	its just a flash reset away to fix even if spamming del/f2 doesn't work then
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2021-08-07 11:46:56	tonitch	my mb seems to be PRIME B450-PLUS
2021-08-07 11:47:33	tonitch	okay, thanks a lot for your help evilop :D
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2021-08-07 11:52:59	evilop	all the zen chipsets are quite slow in firmware, with x570 being the slowest of them
2021-08-07 11:53:35	evilop	anyway post timeout of 0 works fine on asus boards. Disabling the "splash" in the firmware also helps a tiny bit
2021-08-07 11:54:10	tonitch	thanks you, I'll do it now then check again for the boot time ^^
2021-08-07 11:54:16	tonitch	cya and thanks again
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2021-08-07 11:58:40	tonitch	Major impovement ^^ didn't even see the arch boot message
2021-08-07 11:59:02	tonitch	but wait-online still take 2 min I think... it's just running in background
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2021-08-07 11:59:17	tonitch	(because I can't run systemd-analyze)
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2021-08-07 12:56:44	mongy	luks1 still considered 'secure' today?
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2021-08-07 12:58:06	grawity	it's fine
2021-08-07 12:59:26	grawity	luks2 supports argon as a KDF (a bit harder to bruteforce than PBKDF2), and has the option to use dm-integrity (to protect against someone actively tampering with your disk), but realistically those probably won't make any difference
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2021-08-07 13:00:55	mongy	cool.  less hassle (for me) when making btrfs full luks with grub (/efi, @)
2021-08-07 13:01:40	greyltc	Let's say there's a package (package-a) that `depends=('gtk4>=4.3.0')`
2021-08-07 13:02:33	greyltc	Then let's say I make a package with `pkgver=4.3.2` that `provides=(gtk4)` and install it
2021-08-07 13:03:16	grawity	yeah, in your case it has to specifically provide gtk4=$pkgver for the dependency to be satisfied
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2021-08-07 13:03:42	greyltc	doesn't that seem kinda wrong?
2021-08-07 13:04:44	grawity	tbh if you're packaging a direct fork then it would make sense for provides=(gtk4) to implicitly provide the same version -- but if you're packaging an independent alternative then it wouldn't make sense as the versioning may well be completely different
2021-08-07 13:05:07	grawity	so I guess pacman takes the safe option, and doesn't assume the provided version unless you explicitly set it
2021-08-07 13:06:20	mpan	mongy: also be aware that LUKS is providing a layer that defines how to access an encrypted volume — it provides no volume encryption by itself. That is dm-crypt. Security of LUKS is primarily limited to whether it protects keys in the header properly (the answer is: yes, for both header versions). Important distinction if you google for info on that. Perhaps this is why you might have missed
2021-08-07 13:06:20	mpan	the 
2021-08-07 13:06:21	greyltc	I feel like if a PKGBUILD contains `provides=(THING)`, that should mean the package is a drop-in replacement for THING
2021-08-07 13:06:26	mpan	answers.
2021-08-07 13:06:47	grawity	yes, but not necessarily THING of the same version
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2021-08-07 13:07:32	grawity	like you could have FoobarDB 10.0 being a drop-in replacement of BazQuuxDB 5.7, because their versions diverged after fork
2021-08-07 13:08:54	greyltc	yeah, that makes sense
2021-08-07 13:09:12	greyltc	thanks for the explanation
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2021-08-07 13:11:01	mongy	mpan: I don't think I care enough.  Yet.  I'll look into it tho..
2021-08-07 13:12:03	mpan	mongy: just noting, in case you were googling for wrong terms.
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2021-08-07 13:12:31	mongy	#archlinux is my google :)
2021-08-07 13:13:23	mpan	We do not track you. /me madly syncs this log to disk to not lose it.
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2021-08-07 13:39:49	f1refly	is there a way to tell find that i want to search for folders that don't contain files following a specific pattern?
2021-08-07 13:40:35	f1refly	for example I could have a folder structure where a file marker ending in .abc has to be present in every dir and i want to find dirs missing this marker
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2021-08-07 13:41:49	CyberShadow	f1refly: I don't think you can do that with just `find`, but you could maybe filter the output of `find -type d -o -name '*.abc'` with awk.
2021-08-07 13:42:03	NetSysFire	you could also make a quick bash snippet iterating through all directories
2021-08-07 13:42:14	CyberShadow	Does anyone have any suggestions for the simplest way to run a shell script on a separate isolated kernel? Maybe using UML or qemu or Vagrant?
2021-08-07 13:42:25	NetSysFire	i dont know if find can tell you directories which are missing this file
2021-08-07 13:44:22	grawity	f1refly: find -type d \( -exec [ -e {}/.git ] \; -prune \) -o -print
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2021-08-07 13:46:56	f1refly	hm, i was on the brink of scripting it in ruby when i asked myself if find couldnt achieve this
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2021-08-07 13:48:15	f1refly	grawity: that only works with folders matching .git exactly, but can it accept wildcards?
2021-08-07 13:48:32	f1refly	sorry if its a dumb question, i'm not very proficient with find
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2021-08-07 13:48:36	grawity	no
2021-08-07 13:48:42	f1refly	:(
2021-08-07 13:48:48	f1refly	but thank you anyways
2021-08-07 13:49:30	grawity	probably comm -23 <(find -type d) <(find -name '*.git' -printf '%h\n')
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2021-08-07 13:50:04	grawity	hmm, might need to |sort the two before giving them to comm
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2021-08-07 13:52:03	f1refly	Yeah, that's a good combination 
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2021-08-07 13:52:12	f1refly	I never thought of using comm like that 
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2021-08-07 13:56:00	ShapeShifter499	hi
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2021-08-07 13:56:45	ShapeShifter499	is there a easily replicable way to find out what architecture my sh script is running on for Arch Linux users?
2021-08-07 13:57:07	grawity	uh define "easily replicable"
2021-08-07 13:57:18	NetSysFire	arch linux only supports x86_64 anyways
2021-08-07 13:57:58	grawity	but in general, you can determine the architecture via $MACHTYPE if you're writing for Bash, $(uname -m) otherwise
2021-08-07 13:58:45	ShapeShifter499	in the debian package for osk-sdl they have a initramfs hook that looks for what architecture and copies over files depending.   I'd like to recreate that here but they use a variable "$DPKG_ARCH"
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2021-08-07 14:06:31	ShapeShifter499	grawity: that works, thank you
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2021-08-07 14:07:38	ShapeShifter499	NetSysFire: I know but osk-sdl should work in both arch linux arm and regular arch.   I only need to set up the check to change which dri graphics drivers to pull 
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2021-08-07 14:30:08	breadpudding	Hello everyone. I have a strange issue with mounting network shares on boot. I have recently added an NVMe drive to my desktop and that changed the network interface from enp3s0 to enp5s0. Now I have to wait a minute and a half every time I boot because it's waiting for enp3s0 to start existing. Any advice?
2021-08-07 14:30:42	Namarrgon	adjust your network configs for the new interface name
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2021-08-07 14:33:02	breadpudding	I'm not really sure what to change at this point. I've checked what I could think of so far. It's been a *long* time since I initially installed this system.
2021-08-07 14:33:22	Namarrgon	which tool manages the network connection?
2021-08-07 14:34:54	breadpudding	I don't actually know but it's not NetworkManager and it's not systemd. I've been running dhcpcd manually on the network interface to get a connection so it's possible that there's nothing managing it. I'm using CIFS to mount the network shares.
2021-08-07 14:35:13	Hello71	grep -rF enp3s0 /etc
2021-08-07 14:35:19	Namarrgon	tree /etc/systemd/system
2021-08-07 14:35:19	Hello71	i guess the F isn't necessary here
2021-08-07 14:36:49	breadpudding	grep returns nothing. tree shows a list of services I have enabled. I'm only seeing dhcpcd so it might be a misconfiguration with that.
2021-08-07 14:37:15	Namarrgon	can you post the output to a paste service?
2021-08-07 14:38:34	breadpudding	https://pastebin.com/raw/iF67esfe
2021-08-07 14:38:35	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-4nx.txt
2021-08-07 14:38:58	grawity	by "seeing dhcpcd" you mean the line "dhcpcd@enp3s0.service -> /usr/lib/systemd/system/dhcpcd@.service", yes?
2021-08-07 14:39:06	grawity	because it says enp3s0 right there
2021-08-07 14:39:51	breadpudding	Let me pull up the wiki to see what I may have done. This was my first ever Arch install and that was *years* ago at this point.
2021-08-07 14:40:28	grawity	more or less just systemctl disable the old .service and enable the new one, with the correct interface in the @instance
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2021-08-07 14:40:57	breadpudding	Thanks. I didn't know if I had to create one or not.
2021-08-07 14:41:30	breadpudding	Supposedly, if I reboot now, I won't have to wait a minute for it to time out?
2021-08-07 14:42:36	breadpudding	I'll go ahead and find out.
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2021-08-07 14:44:32	breadpudding	It works! Thank you everyone!
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2021-08-07 14:52:44	hendry	I have vulkan disabled upon google-chrome and I'm not sure why https://s.natalian.org/2021-08-07/vulkan-disabled.png
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2021-08-07 15:26:40	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
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2021-08-07 15:10:01	thrice	jasdfea: /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/50-systemd-user.sh  ?
2021-08-07 15:19:23	John_Ivan	I've made more changes/introductions. Any Archwiki maintainer - I'd appreciate some proofreading/changes if necessary. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Gaming
2021-08-07 15:19:26	phrik	Title: Gaming - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-07 15:19:40	John_Ivan	My introduction is to headings 1, 2, 3, 4.
2021-08-07 15:19:51	John_Ivan	and it's respective subheadings.
2021-08-07 15:26:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-07 15:27:54	Mysterytrain	was trying to install autofs from aur and got this. is it my problem or something up there
2021-08-07 15:27:59	Mysterytrain	    autofs-5.1.7.tar ... FAILED (unknown public key E7677380F54FD8A9)
2021-08-07 15:27:59	Mysterytrain	==> ERROR: One or more PGP signatures could not be verified!
2021-08-07 15:28:41	greatcoof	how can i check if a package is dependency for otter packages or no?
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2021-08-07 15:30:24	mmt	greatcoof: install pacman-contrib and use pactree --reverse package_name
2021-08-07 15:31:07	Scimmia	or just look at -Qi <package>
2021-08-07 15:31:11	thrice	greatcoof: pacman -Qi foo
2021-08-07 15:31:30	mmt	that will list dependencies of the package
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2021-08-07 15:32:18	mmt	while pactree --reverse <package> will list packages that depend on <package>
2021-08-07 15:32:19	thrice	for example, when I run pacman -Qi gtk3
2021-08-07 15:32:27	thrice	Required By     : chromium
2021-08-07 15:32:31	Scimmia	mmt: check it closer
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2021-08-07 15:33:09	mmt	Scimmia: ok, i wasn't aware of that change, nice
2021-08-07 15:34:17	thrice	I think it's been there for awhile
2021-08-07 15:34:23	greatcoof	thrice: 'required by fftw' , what the hell is ftww :p
2021-08-07 15:35:03	greatcoof	probably a dep for something else
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2021-08-07 15:35:13	thrice	keep going deeper
2021-08-07 15:35:14	thrice	:)
2021-08-07 15:35:21	mmt	thrice: i have been using arch since 2009, always depended on pactree for that
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2021-08-07 15:38:15	greatcoof	thrice: if dependencies can install other dependencies and 2 packages depend on one another (A dep for B AND B dep for A) can that cause an asimov cascade?
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2021-08-07 15:39:10	Scimmia	called a circular dep
2021-08-07 15:39:18	Scimmia	and yes, it happens
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2021-08-07 15:40:11	greatcoof	Scimmia: and what does pacman do in that case
2021-08-07 15:40:30	Scimmia	what does it do...when?
2021-08-07 15:40:45	greatcoof	circular dep
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2021-08-07 15:41:07	Scimmia	pacman does what you tell it
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2021-08-07 15:42:42	⚡ 	greatcoof runs pacman  --make-me-rich
2021-08-07 15:43:01	SysGhost	file /usr/bin/vulkaninfo is no longer provided by vulkan-validation-layers . Where do I get it now?
2021-08-07 15:43:05	jasdfea	thrice: it contains dbus-update-activation-environment but I had commented it out
2021-08-07 15:43:24	jasdfea	just to make sure that it isnt causing dbus to be started 
2021-08-07 15:44:00	Hello71	greatcoof: make: *** No rule to make target 'me-rich'.  Stop.
2021-08-07 15:44:36	Scimmia	!give SysGhost wtf is vulkaninfo
2021-08-07 15:44:38	phrik	SysGhost: extra/vulkan-tools
2021-08-07 15:44:48	SysGhost	oh... it has moved.
2021-08-07 15:44:54	greatcoof	Hello71: :p
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2021-08-07 15:54:03	greatcoof	how can i run makepkg if im root
2021-08-07 15:55:06	Scimmia	switch to another user
2021-08-07 15:56:03	greatcoof	Scimmia: the directory is owned my root
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2021-08-07 15:56:51	Scimmia	so fix it
2021-08-07 15:59:22	ldiamond	Does anyone have a neat way to run browser plugins/addons in a restricted containerized way? Firefox allows containers per domain, but that doesn't seem to apply to addons, I could run a browser instance as a docker container, any better ideas?
2021-08-07 16:00:29	Hello71	not all containers are the same
2021-08-07 16:01:48	Donatzsky	ldiamond: What about Firefox profiles? They have separate extensions
2021-08-07 16:02:29	ldiamond	Donatzsky: I'll check that out
2021-08-07 16:04:58	greatcoof	Scimmia: undertandable have a great day
2021-08-07 16:20:30	PapuaHardyNet	Hi. I'm trying to install arch linux via the standard installer with LUKS on a partition on BIOS+MBR setup
2021-08-07 16:20:47	PapuaHardyNet	unfortunately whenever I reboot I get a grub rescue message instead of a password prompt
2021-08-07 16:20:52	PapuaHardyNet	any suggestions?
2021-08-07 16:21:44	LilUFO	did you make sure to generate a grub.cfg?
2021-08-07 16:21:51	LilUFO	in /boot/grub/
2021-08-07 16:22:20	discape	There's a dbus session that starts when I log in, how do I disable it? (this is different from the one started by systemd)
2021-08-07 16:23:03	discape	it's not related to X, it starts even when a new user logs in on a tty
2021-08-07 16:23:16	PapuaHardyNet	yes, I installed grub, edited the /etc/default/grub to include the cryptsetup related stuff, and did a grub-mkconfig
2021-08-07 16:23:55	PapuaHardyNet	the grub error is that it complains about not recognizing the UUID; and yet I put the correct UUID in the /etc/default/grub, just double checked
2021-08-07 16:24:40	PapuaHardyNet	should I enable GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK?
2021-08-07 16:24:54	PapuaHardyNet	it wasn't given in the arch wiki for LUKS on a partition so I haven't done it
2021-08-07 16:28:36	⚡ 	anniehallmoon < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/f58eabb5b85b0cc4b092047d10c7b05987dd5650/message.txt >
2021-08-07 16:29:21	anniehallmoon	error: libseat: signature from "Brett Cornwall <brett@i--b.com>" is unknown trust
2021-08-07 16:29:21	anniehallmoon	:: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/libseat-0.5.0-2-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)).
2021-08-07 16:29:21	anniehallmoon	Do you want to delete it? [Y/n]
2021-08-07 16:34:58	NakedKing	hey, which is better networkmanager or iwd?
2021-08-07 16:35:15	thrice	which ever you prefer
2021-08-07 16:39:15	AndrewYu	Guys, I'm having issues w/ my touchpad on my laptop; Since I have a trackpoint I need  to disable it. I'm on a standalone window manager, how do I just disable any USB device?
2021-08-07 16:40:45	thrice	well, you don't NEED to, you just want to?
2021-08-07 16:42:08	thrice	depending on the driver you use, it might be possible to disable with an xorg snippet
2021-08-07 16:44:15	_cyphertite_	NakedKing:  not really a fair comparison.  NM under a DE offers a GUI which can configure many types of connections.  If you only need a lightweight CLI app to connect to WiFi, iwd is sufficient
2021-08-07 17:10:38	Foxboron	Can someone explain to me how I figure out the proper acpi_osi= kernel cmdline for a given laptop :p?
2021-08-07 17:12:05	ugjka	exctract acpi tables and then grep?
2021-08-07 17:15:31	Foxboron	ugjka: Right but that is usually just "whatever latest Windows version there was"
2021-08-07 17:15:53	ugjka	right
2021-08-07 17:16:12	Foxboron	And I'm wondering if there is any more to it :p
2021-08-07 17:16:27	Foxboron	acpi_osi= introduces CPU stalls atleast on this laptop :p
2021-08-07 17:33:19	Foxboron	Also, if someone is in this channel and have a framework laptop please do poke me :)
2021-08-07 17:41:55	PapuaHardyNet	I would like to only use doas. instead of sudo
2021-08-07 17:42:21	PapuaHardyNet	is that dumb
2021-08-07 17:43:34	thrice	why do you want to?
2021-08-07 17:43:39	Foxboron	If you are asking if that is "dumb" then yes, probably it is.
2021-08-07 17:44:22	ugjka	just alias
2021-08-07 17:46:02	_cyphertite_	ugjka:  remind me of the ^efficiency gain
2021-08-07 17:46:40	ugjka	gain++
2021-08-07 17:46:53	PapuaHardyNet	Foxboron: it's been almost two years since I last interacted with you. Good to see you are as harsh as ever :)
2021-08-07 17:47:22	Edu4rdSHL	😆
2021-08-07 17:47:31	PapuaHardyNet	no, I have used doas for months now on another distro, was just worried maybe there would be some conflict due to using doas and attempting to remove sudo. Then I realized I don't have sudo installed by default
2021-08-07 17:47:31	Foxboron	PapuaHardyNet: I'm glad I left an impression!
2021-08-07 17:47:37	Foxboron	All PR is good PR :)
2021-08-07 17:47:58	Foxboron	PapuaHardyNet: makepkg requires sudo.
2021-08-07 17:48:10	Foxboron	Patches to allow switching between sudo/doas hasnt been merged yet
2021-08-07 17:48:33	jelle	Foxboron: not true
2021-08-07 17:48:40	ugjka	there's a lot out there that calls sudo i guess
2021-08-07 17:48:51	Foxboron	jelle: Hm? the auth program patch was merged?
2021-08-07 17:48:51	jelle	Foxboron: PACMAN_AUTH=() is defined in makepkg.conf
2021-08-07 17:48:53	thrice	why would makepkg require sudo?  The install flag is optional
2021-08-07 17:49:00	Foxboron	jelle: what, did i forget it was merged?
2021-08-07 17:49:08	jelle	Foxboron: yes, grandpa!
2021-08-07 17:49:11	_cyphertite_	oops:  sorry ugjka!
2021-08-07 17:49:16	Foxboron	jelle: :O
2021-08-07 17:49:34	Foxboron	inb4 it's even documented in the wiki
2021-08-07 17:49:39	jelle	lol
2021-08-07 17:49:47	Mysterytrain	oh,  I think I figured out hthe problem. it's something to do with long filenames
2021-08-07 17:49:48	Foxboron	it's not
2021-08-07 17:49:56	Mysterytrain	now i just have to figure out the mount option to fix that
2021-08-07 17:49:59	thrice	Foxboron runs gentoo confirmed
2021-08-07 17:50:13	Foxboron	thrice: lol :)
2021-08-07 17:53:49	enoq	so I'm currently setting up a Raid 1 using the arch wiki and mdadm
2021-08-07 17:53:57	enoq	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/RAID#Calculating_the_stride_and_stripe_width
2021-08-07 17:53:58	phrik	Title: RAID - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-07 17:53:59	enoq	there's no example for raid 1
2021-08-07 17:54:01	enoq	do I need those parameters?
2021-08-07 17:54:57	colo	enoq, no, RAID1 will happily mirror block i/o 1:1 onto each member device
2021-08-07 17:56:44	enoq	thanks
2021-08-07 17:57:16	enoq	do I need to wait for resync to finish until I create the FS?
2021-08-07 17:57:33	enoq	cat /proc/mdstat says it will take 343 mins to resync
2021-08-07 17:57:36	enoq	haven't even formatted it yet
2021-08-07 18:02:14	colo	enoq, no, but it will speed up things if you wait for the array to settle. what member devices do you have? all flash/SSD?
2021-08-07 18:02:28	enoq	all disk
2021-08-07 18:02:35	enoq	4tb 5400 rpm
2021-08-07 18:02:39	enoq	2 of them
2021-08-07 18:02:43	colo	ok, then the default speed cap will no be a problem :)
2021-08-07 18:03:12	colo	you can use the array while it's syncing up, but I would not trust it with any important data until after the initial sync
2021-08-07 18:04:11	enoq	why does it need to sync at all?
2021-08-07 18:04:22	enoq	there's no data on it
2021-08-07 18:04:35	enoq	there wasn't even a file system on it
2021-08-07 18:04:47	enoq	does it go through all bits and flip them to zeroes?
2021-08-07 18:04:53	colo	yeah, but how should md know that to be true for all blocks? you can skip the sync by creating the array with --assume-clean
2021-08-07 18:05:23	colo	but I would not do that UNLESS you are dealing with flash that was blkdiscarded before, and has the determistic read 0s after DSM feature
2021-08-07 18:05:53	colo	it will make sure the mirrored blocks on all member devices are the same
2021-08-07 18:06:07	colo	but I do not know what bit pattern it will write during that process
2021-08-07 18:07:04	colo	the initial sync also establishes all blocks as working correctly (at the time)
2021-08-07 18:07:38	colo	which, in my book, is better than noticing that your disks are bad when some upper layer decides to make use of a specific LBA for the first time
2021-08-07 18:12:57	Leidenfrost	Hello all. Is there a way to make pacman / yay/ etc show its progress in the Terminal title bar? Something like: "pacman -Syu: (installing 351 packages)" or "yay -Syu: AUR compiling 1 of 10 packages"
2021-08-07 18:13:13	Edu4rdSHL	Leidenfrost, no
2021-08-07 18:15:37	Edu4rdSHL	I mean, there are ways like patching the tool(s) but no with default builds
2021-08-07 18:17:00	epcness	Hello, I got a new Optimus system and I'm using optimus-manager, but gdm won't start
2021-08-07 18:17:34	epcness	I'm using the gdm-prime fork from the AUR from the README
2021-08-07 18:21:50	epcness	I'm getting "Gdm: GdmLocalDisplayFactory: maximum number of X display failures reached: check X server log for errors," "Gdm: Child process -<pid> was already dead," and "Gdm: GdmDisplay: Session never registered, failing" in systemd logs
2021-08-07 18:22:39	epcness	The fix on the wiki for "Child process -<pid> was already dead" reenables wayland, and the optimus-manager documentation says the force gdm to use xorg, so it didn't do anything
2021-08-07 18:43:21	dhrv	!paste
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2021-08-07 23:59:46	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1250 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1249 normals)
2021-08-07 22:28:09	jimmy399	none ofthem
2021-08-07 22:30:37	jimmy399	nope
2021-08-07 22:31:13	jimmy399	thans for that Namarrgon 
2021-08-07 22:31:21	jimmy399	:)
2021-08-07 22:32:43	Namarrgon	did you fix it?
2021-08-07 22:34:45	jimmy399	Namarrgon... Didn't it.
2021-08-07 22:35:09	jimmy399	I will manually unmute all channels
2021-08-07 22:37:37	Namarrgon	"pacmd list-modules"
2021-08-07 22:44:18	jimmy399	Namarrgon : https://pastebin.com/33je9XKp
2021-08-07 22:44:19	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-47c.txt
2021-08-07 22:44:20	phrik	Title: 27 module(s) loaded. index: 0 name: <module-device-restore> argument: < - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-07 22:46:20	Namarrgon	pacman -Qii pulseaudio
2021-08-07 22:50:25	jimmy399	https://pastebin.com/Y211cD57
2021-08-07 22:50:26	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-47m.txt
2021-08-07 22:50:26	phrik	Title: Név : pulseaudioVerzió : 15.0-1Leírás - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-07 22:50:32	jimmy399	hungarian language sry :D
2021-08-07 22:51:40	thurstylark	if you add `LANG=C` to the beginning of the command, it'll come out english without needing to mess with locale settings
2021-08-07 22:53:24	evilop	engrish
2021-08-07 22:54:32	jimmy399	thanks 
2021-08-07 22:54:34	jimmy399	https://pastebin.com/Z4sXYRWX
2021-08-07 22:54:35	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-47a.txt
2021-08-07 22:54:35	phrik	Title: Name : pulseaudioVersion : 15.0-1Description : A feat - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-07 22:54:37	jimmy399	this is english
2021-08-07 22:55:32	Namarrgon	append "restore_muted=false" to the "load-module device-restore" line in /etc/pulse/default.pa
2021-08-07 22:57:25	jimmy399	appended
2021-08-07 22:57:35	jimmy399	restart system?
2021-08-07 22:57:38	Namarrgon	yeah
2021-08-07 22:57:42	jimmy399	okay
2021-08-07 22:59:39	Namarrgon	hm, *.pa doesn't use =, right?
2021-08-07 23:00:54	grawity	it doesn't, such settings are a daemon.conf thing
2021-08-07 23:01:06	Namarrgon	oh well, one more reboot...
2021-08-07 23:01:14	jimmy399	ooo no
2021-08-07 23:01:14	jimmy399	Unknown command: restore_muted=false
2021-08-07 23:01:15	jimmy399	E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Failed to initialize daemon due to errors while executing startup commands. Source of commands: /home/jimmy/.config/pulse//default.pa
2021-08-07 23:01:28	Namarrgon	use a space instead of the =, my fault
2021-08-07 23:01:31	jimmy399	no sound
2021-08-07 23:01:35	jimmy399	oh okay :D
2021-08-07 23:03:12	jimmy399	same error
2021-08-07 23:03:23	jimmy399	Unknown command: restore_muted = false
2021-08-07 23:03:31	grawity	oh wait, I'm mistaken
2021-08-07 23:03:36	grawity	default.pa does use the =
2021-08-07 23:03:43	Namarrgon	did you copy default.pa over to ~ or how did it get there?
2021-08-07 23:04:03	grawity	it's command-based, but the module *parameters* do have a =
2021-08-07 23:04:11	grawity	but not spaces, just a =
2021-08-07 23:04:12	jimmy399	I edited the /etc/pulse/default.pa
2021-08-07 23:04:23	Namarrgon	why is the error pointing at ~ then?
2021-08-07 23:04:42	grawity	so "load-module module-device-restore restore_muted=false" exactly like this
2021-08-07 23:04:44	Namarrgon	check what's in /home/jimmy/.config/pulse/
2021-08-07 23:06:28	jimmy399	well delete muted command in /etc/pulse/default.pa
2021-08-07 23:06:35	jimmy399	and start pulseaudio -- start
2021-08-07 23:06:39	jimmy399	ok
2021-08-07 23:06:52	jimmy399	I hear sound :D
2021-08-07 23:07:00	jimmy399	muted all channels :D
2021-08-07 23:07:03	jimmy399	unmuted all
2021-08-07 23:07:03	Namarrgon	what exactly did you delete? the whole line that loads "module-device-restore"?
2021-08-07 23:07:29	jimmy399	only restore_muted = false
2021-08-07 23:07:36	jimmy399	another is same
2021-08-07 23:07:53	jimmy399	now go to .config folder
2021-08-07 23:08:20	jimmy399	ls pulse:
2021-08-07 23:08:22	Namarrgon	you're doing random things and it's hard to follow
2021-08-07 23:08:52	jimmy399	no no random. I delete this line what you are write
2021-08-07 23:09:06	jimmy399	in /etc/pulse/defalult.pa
2021-08-07 23:09:11	jimmy399	and start pulseaudio
2021-08-07 23:09:21	jimmy399	started without error
2021-08-07 23:09:49	jimmy399	Now i see what is it in the /home/jimmy/.config/pulse
2021-08-07 23:10:05	jimmy399	afcb473861904ebb9398b95406649237-card-database.tdb
2021-08-07 23:10:13	jimmy399	afcb473861904ebb9398b95406649237-default-sink
2021-08-07 23:10:18	jimmy399	afcb473861904ebb9398b95406649237-default-source
2021-08-07 23:10:24	jimmy399	afcb473861904ebb9398b95406649237-device-volumes.tdb
2021-08-07 23:10:28	thurstylark	rip
2021-08-07 23:10:29	Namarrgon	please use a paste service
2021-08-07 23:10:29	jimmy399	afcb473861904ebb9398b95406649237-stream-volumes.tdb
2021-08-07 23:10:33	jimmy399	okay
2021-08-07 23:10:38	jimmy399	no rip :D
2021-08-07 23:11:02	CarloWood	This worked before last upgrade:
2021-08-07 23:11:07	CarloWood	>sudo mount -r -o loop hypnokroete-parasyte_1-bluray.iso /mnt/dvd
2021-08-07 23:11:07	CarloWood	mount: /mnt/dvd: mount failed: Operation not permitted.
2021-08-07 23:11:20	jimmy399	https://pastebin.com/D6Yrh7RE
2021-08-07 23:11:21	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-471.txt
2021-08-07 23:11:22	phrik	Title: jimmy@jimmy-pc-arch pulse]$ ls -lhösszesen 56K-rw------- 1 jimmy jimmy 12K a - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-07 23:11:40	thurstylark	so there *is* a default.pa in there
2021-08-07 23:11:50	jimmy399	oh
2021-08-07 23:11:59	Namarrgon	how did daemon.conf and default.pa get there?
2021-08-07 23:12:03	grawity	CarloWood: what's currently mounted there, according to findmnt?
2021-08-07 23:12:24	jimmy399	not know :D
2021-08-07 23:12:30	Namarrgon	then get rid of them
2021-08-07 23:14:13	CarloWood	grawity: nothing is mounted. findmnt /mnt/dvd returns nothing, just 'mount' shows not /mnt/dvd, and an umount /mnt/dvd say it isn't mounted.
2021-08-07 23:14:39	grawity	CarloWood: are you able to set up a loop device manually? as in `losetup --find hypnowhatever.iso`
2021-08-07 23:14:53	jimmy399	Namarrgon : https://pastebin.com/2wWHCYSF
2021-08-07 23:14:54	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-479.txt
2021-08-07 23:14:54	phrik	Title: [jimmy@jimmy-pc-arch pulse]$ cat daemon.conf ;default-sample-rate = 1500 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-07 23:15:22	Namarrgon	jimmy399: do you now remember why you created them?
2021-08-07 23:15:42	thurstylark	I mean, at least it's including the system'd default.pa...
2021-08-07 23:15:49	thurstylark	*system's
2021-08-07 23:16:04	jimmy399	No, I don't. I don't create them.
2021-08-07 23:16:05	CarloWood	losetup: cannot find an unused loop device
2021-08-07 23:16:32	jimmy399	thurstylark ... yeah, include default config
2021-08-07 23:16:48	CarloWood	grawity: what does that mean? :/
2021-08-07 23:17:04	Namarrgon	jimmy399: put the "restore_muted=false" part back into the /etc/pulse/default.pa config
2021-08-07 23:17:15	Namarrgon	no spaces around the "=" this time
2021-08-07 23:17:15	grawity	CarloWood: either you're all out of loop devices (check `losetup`), or the loop driver isn't loaded (the usual kernel-upgrade-reboot thing)
2021-08-07 23:17:25	thurstylark	and also maybe paste the resulting file so we can double check :P
2021-08-07 23:17:47	CarloWood	grawity: I recently rebooted and didn't use any loop devices imho.
2021-08-07 23:18:19	jimmy399	Namarrgon done
2021-08-07 23:18:23	grawity	yeah this is not a matter of opinion, go get the facts out of `losetup`
2021-08-07 23:18:31	Namarrgon	jimmy399: reboot
2021-08-07 23:18:32	CarloWood	That prints nothing
2021-08-07 23:18:42	jimmy399	ok
2021-08-07 23:18:49	grawity	do you have a /dev/loop-control, and is "loop" listed in `lsmod`?
2021-08-07 23:19:34	CarloWood	crw-rw---- 1 root disk 10, 237  6 aug 11:34 /dev/loop-control
2021-08-07 23:19:55	CarloWood	no loop listed, grawity 
2021-08-07 23:19:58	grawity	try to `modprobe -v loop`
2021-08-07 23:20:08	jimmy399	Namarrgon ... Same error.
2021-08-07 23:20:14	jimmy399	unknown parameter
2021-08-07 23:20:22	grawity	pretty sure this *is* actually the usual kernel-upgrade-reboot thing
2021-08-07 23:20:22	jimmy399	*command*
2021-08-07 23:20:25	Namarrgon	jimmy399: post the whole config to a paste service
2021-08-07 23:20:28	CarloWood	modprobe: FATAL: Module loop not found in directory /lib/modules/5.13.4-arch2-1
2021-08-07 23:20:35	jimmy399	okay Namarrgon 
2021-08-07 23:21:05	thurstylark	!give CarloWood kernelcheck
2021-08-07 23:21:06	phrik	CarloWood: compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2021-08-07 23:21:27	jimmy399	 Namarrgon : https://pastebin.com/Mb41qvZi
2021-08-07 23:21:28	phrik	Title: #!/usr/bin/pulseaudio -nF## This file is part of PulseAudio.## PulseAudi - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-07 23:21:29	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-47V.txt
2021-08-07 23:21:47	grawity	the time since last reboot doesn't actually matter, only whether there have been any further kernel upgrades during that time does
2021-08-07 23:22:04	CarloWood	Ok... so basically this is because I ran 'pacman -Syu' and then didn't reboot :/
2021-08-07 23:22:09	Namarrgon	jimmy399: "append" means that you put it at the _end_ of something, the end of the line in this case
2021-08-07 23:22:25	jimmy399	oooo
2021-08-07 23:22:30	jimmy399	end of the file?
2021-08-07 23:22:31	grawity	and one of the observed laws of arch is that one usually finds a kernel upgrade waiting immediately after a reboot
2021-08-07 23:22:54	grawity	so yeah, you need to reboot again and maybe a) preload the loop module via modules-load.d, or b) use kernel-modules-hook
2021-08-07 23:23:03	thurstylark	jimmy399: the full line should be "load-module module-device-restore restore_muted=false"
2021-08-07 23:23:03	Namarrgon	jimmy399: at the end of the "load-module module-device-restore" line
2021-08-07 23:23:19	Namarrgon	"restore_muted=false" is a module of this option
2021-08-07 23:23:33	Namarrgon	uh, the other way around, an option of this module
2021-08-07 23:23:45	thurstylark	scratch that, reverse it
2021-08-07 23:25:12	jimmy399	ok
2021-08-07 23:25:15	jimmy399	I wrote
2021-08-07 23:25:17	jimmy399	reboot
2021-08-07 23:25:28	jimmy399	unmuted all channles again
2021-08-07 23:25:31	jimmy399	-n
2021-08-07 23:27:09	jimmy399	no way
2021-08-07 23:27:14	jimmy399	Namarrgon, 
2021-08-07 23:27:22	jimmy399	muted all chanels :D
2021-08-07 23:27:22	Namarrgon	no way?
2021-08-07 23:27:33	jimmy399	not working 
2021-08-07 23:27:44	Namarrgon	but pa started without errors this time?
2021-08-07 23:27:57	jimmy399	yes it is, no error.
2021-08-07 23:28:45	jimmy399	Hm, interesting :D
2021-08-07 23:28:59	jab416171	does anyone have the arch iso rss set up in rutorrent?
2021-08-07 23:29:59	jimmy399	Namarrgon : https://pastebin.com/VHge8zes
2021-08-07 23:30:00	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-47y.txt
2021-08-07 23:30:00	phrik	Title: #!/usr/bin/pulseaudio -nF## This file is part of PulseAudio.## PulseAudi - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-07 23:31:07	Namarrgon	jimmy399: comment out the whole line and try again
2021-08-07 23:32:26	CarloWood	grawity: Ok, thanks for the help. I just rebooted and the kernel check now holds (all 5.13.8-arch1-1), but lsmod still didn't show 'loop'. modprobe now worked. I never had to load loop manually before though, did something change?
2021-08-07 23:32:39	grawity	you still do not have to load it manually
2021-08-07 23:32:48	jimmy399	Namarrgon,  okay, comment out.
2021-08-07 23:32:51	grawity	the purpose of loading it manually is to *get that error message you saw*
2021-08-07 23:32:51	jimmy399	and restart
2021-08-07 23:33:05	grawity	otherwise you wouldn't have believed me about the reboot thing
2021-08-07 23:33:11	CarloWood	Well, it wasn't loaded... maybe it would have been loaded when I ran the mount command then.
2021-08-07 23:33:33	grawity	it would have been loaded as soon as a program (mount or losetup) tried to open /dev/loop-control
2021-08-07 23:33:48	CarloWood	ok, thanks :)
2021-08-07 23:34:48	jimmy399	oh
2021-08-07 23:34:51	jimmy399	not working
2021-08-07 23:34:57	jimmy399	muted all
2021-08-07 23:35:06	jimmy399	Namarrgon
2021-08-07 23:35:19	Namarrgon	so it's probably not pa that's doing the muting...
2021-08-07 23:35:46	jimmy399	oh
2021-08-07 23:35:59	jimmy399	another application/services Namarrgon ?
2021-08-07 23:36:04	thurstylark	probably alsa
2021-08-07 23:36:20	jimmy399	alsa thurstylark ?
2021-08-07 23:36:22	jimmy399	how?
2021-08-07 23:36:52	thurstylark	well, pulse and alsa are the two main things doing audio device stuff
2021-08-07 23:36:52	Namarrgon	does /var/lib/alsa/asound.state exist?
2021-08-07 23:36:58	thrice	!magic
2021-08-07 23:36:58	⚡ 	phrik pulls a rabbit out of luz1's hat
2021-08-07 23:37:01	thurstylark	so, process of elimination
2021-08-07 23:37:19	jimmy399	yes, it is exist
2021-08-07 23:38:08	jimmy399	thurstylark,  delete this file?
2021-08-07 23:39:38	thurstylark	jimmy399: what's the output of `systemctl status alsa-store.service` ?
2021-08-07 23:40:48	jimmy399	thurstylark : https://pastebin.com/p88NXdXB
2021-08-07 23:40:49	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-47g.txt
2021-08-07 23:40:50	phrik	Title: ● alsa-restore.service - Save/Restore Sound Card State Loaded: loaded (/us - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-07 23:41:15	Namarrgon	remove the file
2021-08-07 23:42:25	jimmy399	removed Namarrgon 
2021-08-07 23:42:28	jimmy399	restart?
2021-08-07 23:43:06	Namarrgon	make sure that everything is unmuted, restart the service, make sure the file was recreated and then reboot
2021-08-07 23:44:09	jimmy399	not working
2021-08-07 23:44:11	jimmy399	:S
2021-08-07 23:44:23	Namarrgon	was the file recreated?
2021-08-07 23:44:36	Mysterytrain	do you have more than one sound device? Are you using the right sound device?
2021-08-07 23:44:46	jimmy399	Namarrgon,  Yes it is !
2021-08-07 23:44:51	jimmy399	recreate
2021-08-07 23:45:03	Namarrgon	do you still see the same errors from the restore service?
2021-08-07 23:45:34	jimmy399	oh, yes Namarrgon ... same error.
2021-08-07 23:47:51	Namarrgon	is this a laptop?
2021-08-07 23:48:15	Namarrgon	no, it's not
2021-08-07 23:48:20	jimmy399	no it is a dekstop pc
2021-08-07 23:48:28	Namarrgon	do you have any other audio devices plugged in? headphones? microphone?
2021-08-07 23:48:52	jimmy399	none of them. Only a Creative T6100
2021-08-07 23:48:58	jimmy399	5.1 sound pc system
2021-08-07 23:49:36	jimmy399	no hdmi connections
2021-08-07 23:49:46	jimmy399	only VGA and DVI-I
2021-08-07 23:49:48	evilop	sound card counts as audio device(s)
2021-08-07 23:49:55	evilop	unless it is really ancient
2021-08-07 23:50:04	jimmy399	yeah ancient
2021-08-07 23:50:18	jimmy399	3 sound cards, 1 onboard and 2 VGA
2021-08-07 23:50:24	evilop	aplay -l
2021-08-07 23:51:32	jimmy399	pastebin limit
2021-08-07 23:51:41	jimmy399	10 pastebin / 24 hrs
2021-08-07 23:51:43	thurstylark	use a different pastebin
2021-08-07 23:51:43	jimmy399	register
2021-08-07 23:51:45	thurstylark	!paste
2021-08-07 23:51:46	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-07 23:51:58	jimmy399	thx :)
2021-08-07 23:53:31	jimmy399	https://bpa.st/CWWQ
2021-08-07 23:53:33	phrik	Title: View paste CWWQ (at bpa.st)
2021-08-07 23:54:33	Mysterytrain	card0 is loopback. sounds like it might be stealing your output
2021-08-07 23:55:09	Mysterytrain	and ya do have an HDMI
2021-08-07 23:55:32	jimmy399	okay Not connected HDMI another device (tv...)
2021-08-07 23:55:39	thurstylark	probably no hdmi on the speaker system
2021-08-07 23:55:43	thurstylark	is what was meant
2021-08-07 23:55:46	Mysterytrain	yeah
2021-08-07 23:56:03	jimmy399	ok
2021-08-07 23:56:47	jimmy399	bat card0 not unmuted, but no sound while unmute  ALC892 Analog [ALC892 Analog]
2021-08-07 23:56:51	Mysterytrain	card 2: Generic [HD-Audio Generic], device 0: ALC892 Analog [ALC892 Analog] is what you want
2021-08-07 23:56:58	jimmy399	yes it is
2021-08-07 23:57:12	jimmy399	onboard card
2021-08-07 23:57:16	jimmy399	on motherboard
2021-08-07 23:57:22	Mysterytrain	correct
2021-08-07 23:57:39	Mysterytrain	set up an /etc/asound.conf to use that one as your deafault
2021-08-07 23:57:49	jimmy399	How? :D
2021-08-07 23:58:12	jimmy399	this is complicated for me
2021-08-07 23:58:32	jimmy399	ok google
2021-08-07 23:58:38	jimmy399	how to set default device
2021-08-07 23:59:04	Mysterytrain	the archwiki has a good alsa article
2021-08-07 23:59:05	grawity	isn't pulseaudio supposed to ... remember the default device
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2021-08-08 00:00:21	Mysterytrain	grawity: in theory ;)
2021-08-08 00:00:22	◣	Volgaar (~volgaar@2a01:cb14:279:1900:efab:56f4:5513:da8) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2021-08-08 00:01:05	Mysterytrain	if he has something like pavucontrol, I think he coul dset it there. but I don't mess with pulse very often
2021-08-08 00:01:22	thurstylark	I'm still stuck on how alsa-store.service throws errors when trying to save the alsa state
2021-08-08 00:01:26	thurstylark	isn't that the thing?
2021-08-08 00:01:27	grawity	well, PA references devices by their vendor+product+etc, not by "card0"
2021-08-08 00:01:35	grawity	so if PA is being used, I'd rather mask off alsa-restore or something...
2021-08-08 00:01:50	◣	demonicmaniac (~bugger@pd9e74e4a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) ha salido (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2021-08-08 00:01:52	thurstylark	like, the original problem report is that the audio devices are muted in alsa on boot
2021-08-08 00:02:08	thurstylark	am I barking up the wrong tree, or what?
2021-08-08 00:02:27	Namarrgon	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1985167 
2021-08-08 00:02:30	phrik	Title: 1985167 – alsa-lib main.c:1405:(snd_use_case_mgr_open) error: failed to import hw:1 use case configuration -6 (at bugzilla.redhat.com)
2021-08-08 00:02:32	Namarrgon	the errors might be harmless
2021-08-08 00:02:47	⚡ 	thrice doesn't have alsa-restore*
2021-08-08 00:02:59	◣	jimmy399 (~Jimmy@2a01-036d-0801-53b4-be5f-f4ff-fe8b-2b09.pool6.digikabel.hu) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2021-08-08 00:03:03	thurstylark	thrice: s/re//
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2021-08-08 00:04:11	Mysterytrain	I think alsa-restore is deprciated isn't it?
2021-08-08 00:04:11	jimmy399	no no no :(
2021-08-08 00:04:14	thrice	still
2021-08-08 00:04:20	jimmy399	no sound
2021-08-08 00:04:24	jimmy399	muted all chanells
2021-08-08 00:04:24	thrice	no alsa*.service
2021-08-08 00:04:32	grawity	?pkgfile alsa-restore.service
2021-08-08 00:04:33	@EMIYA	grawity: extra/alsa-utils 1.2.5.1-1 (/usr/lib/systemd/system/alsa-restore.service, /usr/lib/systemd/system/sound.target.wants/alsa-restore.service)
2021-08-08 00:04:33	jimmy399	give up
2021-08-08 00:04:52	jimmy399	unmute all chanles by hand
2021-08-08 00:05:07	◣	andril (~andril@2601:586:8400:113::1007) ha salido (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2021-08-08 00:05:07	Namarrgon	thurstylark: https://github.com/alsa-project/alsa-lib/issues/159
2021-08-08 00:05:16	Namarrgon	so, yeah, noisy but harmless
2021-08-08 00:05:21	thurstylark	ah, store is one service, restore is another
2021-08-08 00:05:35	thrice	what's the point when using pulse, I guess?
2021-08-08 00:06:10	thrice	nothing really depends on alsa-utils
2021-08-08 00:06:22	cvmn	any file encryption decryption tool in repo that supports xchacha20?
2021-08-08 00:06:50	sheep	openssl enc -chacha20
2021-08-08 00:06:56	cvmn	xchacha20?
2021-08-08 00:06:59	thurstylark	thrice: it's commonly installed because it includes alsamixer, though
2021-08-08 00:07:04	sheep	chacha20 is xchacha20
2021-08-08 00:07:16	cvmn	but smaller nonce?
2021-08-08 00:07:17	thurstylark	along with aplay arecord speaker-test etc
2021-08-08 00:07:23	sheep	well, a modified chacha20
2021-08-08 00:07:50	thrice	thurstylark: I suppose so.  Assume if using pulse there are better choices :>
2021-08-08 00:08:07	◣	predmijat (~predmijat@mail.strogopro.com) ha salido (Quit: bye)
2021-08-08 00:09:31	thrice	I'm with grawity, I'd get rid of this from the equation
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2021-08-08 00:11:54	enoq	so mdadm --create --verbose --level=1 --metadata=1.2 --raid-devices=2 /dev/md/MyRAID1Array /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1  
2021-08-08 00:12:00	enoq	gave me a /dev/md127
2021-08-08 00:12:22	enoq	also seems like that's the active device
2021-08-08 00:12:29	enoq	if you run blkid
2021-08-08 00:12:43	enoq	is /dev/md/MyRAID1Array just an alias to /dev/md127?
2021-08-08 00:13:10	thurstylark	`ls -la /dev/md/MyRAID1Array` to find out
2021-08-08 00:13:53	thurstylark	eh, I guess -l is fine, -la is just my default for "moar info plz" :P
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2021-08-08 00:57:35	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1238 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1237 normals)
2021-08-08 00:48:57	kevr	Happy Saturday and Sunday to you awesome, lovely people.
2021-08-08 00:51:21	thurstylark	!give kevr cookie
2021-08-08 00:51:22	phrik	kevr: thurstylark wanted you to have this cookie. 🍪
2021-08-08 00:51:48	kevr	thurstylark: Thank you!
2021-08-08 00:52:12	thurstylark	:D
2021-08-08 00:53:52	wolfizen	One of the packages in community seems to be purposefully locked to an outdated version. I need to use features from the latest version. How should I proceed in a discussion to get the package on latest? Should I email the maintainer?
2021-08-08 00:54:14	thurstylark	Which package?
2021-08-08 00:54:20	wolfizen	python-dnspython
2021-08-08 00:54:52	wolfizen	check commit f2b38bb in the package git
2021-08-08 00:54:53	Foxboron	wolfizen: what makes you say "purposefully locked"?
2021-08-08 00:55:07	Foxboron	ah
2021-08-08 00:55:24	Foxboron	wolfizen: you patch the affected upstreams
2021-08-08 00:55:34	Foxboron	sending the maintainer an email isn't magically going to fix upstream issues
2021-08-08 00:55:58	sheep	https://github.com/eventlet/eventlet/issues/619
2021-08-08 00:57:00	wolfizen	yes, however I see an alternative solution. There already exists a locked package in AUR to that same version; python-dnspython1.16. Would it not be better to move eventlet to depend on that locked package and let everyone else continue to latest?
2021-08-08 00:57:27	wolfizen	there are other dependants to python-dnspython than eventlet
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2021-08-08 01:14:34	J_Darnley	Ah ha!  A new term to search for
2021-08-08 01:15:05	wolfizen	since no venv distribution, and no upgrade on community without diving into eventlet upstream, I'm just going to depend on -git for now. Thanks everyone :)
2021-08-08 01:15:36	Foxboron	Betal: we don't document all the possibilities there. We just document what we expect packagers todo, and currently we do not want people to vendor stuff
2021-08-08 01:15:47	Foxboron	thus no mention of working around stuffing python packages into /opt
2021-08-08 01:15:57	wolfizen	I hate /opt xD
2021-08-08 01:17:31	wolfizen	I make a motion to remove /opt from filesystem and banish it forever. \s
2021-08-08 01:18:10	jimmy399	wolfizen,  :D hehe this is not bad idea but...
2021-08-08 01:19:20	wolfizen	Just one example of unnecessary use of /opt... `fast` provides ONE file. /opt/fast/fast. And then a symlink from /usr/bin/fast -> /opt/fast/fast. WHY
2021-08-08 01:19:53	J_Darnley	sigh what a mess
2021-08-08 01:28:38	thurstylark	J_Darnley: what do you mean? mapping scan codes to keycodes?
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2021-08-08 01:48:23	J_Darnley	to
2021-08-08 01:48:25	J_Darnley	Event: time 1628378597.545634, type 1 (EV_KEY), code 294 (BTN_BASE), value 1
2021-08-08 01:48:50	J_Darnley	currently that scan code maps to
2021-08-08 01:48:52	J_Darnley	Event: time 1628378595.817680, type 1 (EV_KEY), code 292 (BTN_TOP2), value 1
2021-08-08 01:51:23	J_Darnley	I haven't managed to find the defaults in the .rules or .hwdb files
2021-08-08 01:51:30	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Keyboard_input#Identifying_keycodes
2021-08-08 01:51:31	phrik	Title: Keyboard input - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-08 01:51:42	thurstylark	find your target keycode
2021-08-08 01:52:58	J_Darnley	"Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console."
2021-08-08 01:53:05	J_Darnley	when run in konsole
2021-08-08 01:53:18	thurstylark	you need to be in a tty
2021-08-08 01:53:24	thurstylark	not a terminal emulator
2021-08-08 01:53:32	J_Darnley	i see
2021-08-08 01:53:34	J_Darnley	brb
2021-08-08 01:54:56	J_Darnley	Nothing is printed when I press the buttons on the device.
2021-08-08 01:58:18	thurstylark	what does that button do currently?
2021-08-08 02:01:58	J_Darnley	Nothing.  It is "button 5" in wine, "button 5" in the kde game controller config panel, "button 4" in the html5 gamepad api.
2021-08-08 02:11:02	thurstylark	ugh the docs on this stuff is scarce
2021-08-08 02:12:40	thurstylark	Trying to figure out the difference between KEY_* and BTN_* in evtest output, but not getting very far :/
2021-08-08 02:13:40	thurstylark	like this shit
2021-08-08 02:13:43	thurstylark	!man hwdb
2021-08-08 02:13:44	phrik	thurstylark: https://man.archlinux.org/man/hwdb#
2021-08-08 02:14:12	thurstylark	examples are nice, but IN ADDITION TO AN EXPLANATION OF THE PARTS CONTAINED WITHIN THE EXAMPLE
2021-08-08 02:14:39	J_Darnley	I thought it was abit lacking
2021-08-08 02:14:49	J_Darnley	Are we supposed to read something else first
2021-08-08 02:15:12	thurstylark	certainly feels like it, doesn't it?
2021-08-08 02:15:43	thurstylark	I bet the majority of the useful docs are in code comments
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2021-08-08 03:12:57	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1233 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1232 normals)
2021-08-08 02:48:06	J_Darnley	Hm.  The parsing accept what I've written but after reloading it the behavior of evtest hasn't changed
2021-08-08 02:49:13	J_Darnley	So am I not matching the device correctly?  Probably
2021-08-08 02:55:13	onosendi	I'm using a patched nerd font, and only some characters are coming through on rxvt-unicode. That same font works fine on macOS. Any ideas?
2021-08-08 02:55:51	thrice	have you tried another terminal?
2021-08-08 02:56:11	onosendi	thrice: as in, other than rxvt-unicode?
2021-08-08 02:56:23	thrice	right
2021-08-08 02:56:34	onosendi	Eh, I really don't want to part with it :/
2021-08-08 02:56:45	jamesp	I successfully installed Arch Linux with UEFI to my computer, but my BIOS doesn't detect it! (I use an MSI Z270)
2021-08-08 02:56:58	thrice	well, you can at least test if it's specific to urxvt or not
2021-08-08 02:57:11	thrice	since it's ancient
2021-08-08 02:57:24	onosendi	thrice: which do you suggest?
2021-08-08 02:57:49	thrice	I'd try alacritty
2021-08-08 03:00:19	jamesp	Guys I really need help
2021-08-08 03:00:55	thrice	did you install a bootloader?
2021-08-08 03:01:26	jamesp	I installed Arch following this guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPLnBPM4DhI (got all the way to the end of part 5)
2021-08-08 03:01:48	thrice	That doesn't answer my question, and I'm not going to watch a youtube video :>
2021-08-08 03:02:07	thrice	why would you not follow the installation guide?
2021-08-08 03:02:14	jamesp	I set up my drive with UEFI and an LVM partition
2021-08-08 03:02:26	jamesp	I installed Arch to it and even set up GRUB
2021-08-08 03:02:41	thrice	do you see the grub screen when you boot?
2021-08-08 03:03:00	jamesp	I reboot into the BIOS of my MSI motherboard (firmware was from 12/15/2016)
2021-08-08 03:03:32	thrice	well, it's either UEFI, or BIOS, I assume you have uefi?
2021-08-08 03:03:44	jamesp	So you know, I have arch installed on a separate drive (SATA SSD) than my windows (NVMe SSD)
2021-08-08 03:04:02	onosendi	thrice: it was specific to urxvt. Works fine in alacritty.
2021-08-08 03:04:47	thrice	cool - I don't have advice on how to fix it for urxvt, other than moving to something more modern :)
2021-08-08 03:04:58	jamesp	When I select boot drives, the it sees both SSDs in legacy boot, but only the Windows boot manager shows up when booting from UEFI
2021-08-08 03:05:02	onosendi	thrice: when you put it like that, it kind of makes me want to switch :P
2021-08-08 03:05:22	thrice	what features make you want to keep urxvt?
2021-08-08 03:05:55	jamesp	When I try to boot to my arch drive in legacy mode, it fails instantly. (Same thing as if you try to boot a UEFI drive on a BIOS computer)
2021-08-08 03:06:18	thrice	"UEFI drive" ???
2021-08-08 03:06:47	jamesp	You take an operating system from a computer that was set up with UEFI
2021-08-08 03:07:05	onosendi	thrice: nothing really, just my dots.
2021-08-08 03:07:33	jamesp	You know how legacy BIOS computers will fail when they try to load a UEFI operating system?
2021-08-08 03:08:02	thrice	I think you are confused about uefi vs. bios.  But anyway, it doesn't matter.  What do you see when you boot?
2021-08-08 03:08:38	jamesp	It fails to load
2021-08-08 03:08:52	thrice	you realize how impossible it is to help you with your terrible descriptions, right?
2021-08-08 03:09:25	jamesp	"Reboot and Select proper Boot Device or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device and press a key"
2021-08-08 03:09:27	thrice	so far, you've said "I follow a youtube video, and now it fails"
2021-08-08 03:10:05	jamesp	It's because it's trying to load the operating system in legacy mode
2021-08-08 03:10:20	jamesp	but I installed it so it works in UEFI mode. better?
2021-08-08 03:11:10	thrice	I'm not clear, no - why is it trying to load in legacy mode?
2021-08-08 03:11:30	thrice	that's a firmware setting, are you changing it?
2021-08-08 03:11:58	jamesp	My computer shows both my Windows and Linux drive to boot in legacy mode
2021-08-08 03:12:12	jamesp	But it only shows my Windows drive to boot in UEFI mode
2021-08-08 03:12:43	thrice	so, you don't see grub at all?
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2021-08-08 03:46:54	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1235 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1234 normals)
2021-08-08 03:29:54	kevr	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/installation_guide
2021-08-08 03:29:57	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-08 03:30:03	jamesp	I know about that
2021-08-08 03:30:07	J_Darnley	Tomorrow I will see if I can fix the axes on it.
2021-08-08 03:30:11	kevr	In the installation guide, in every section, you get linked to the actual programs being used and multiple options in some places.
2021-08-08 03:30:14	jamesp	But I watched LearnLinuxTV's installation guide
2021-08-08 03:30:49	kevr	jamesp: You are trusting some other person in the world who made a video about installing on *his* arch system in march.
2021-08-08 03:31:25	jamesp	Why, because the instructions quickly change and will be completely different after just a few months?
2021-08-08 03:31:29	kevr	There could be differences that you really won't be able to figure out just by watching the video, because he's just showing you how he successfully did it, and he's not showing you how to work around issues you may face
2021-08-08 03:31:47	kevr	he has different hardware, and yes, arch is rolling release, things change often
2021-08-08 03:32:03	kevr	jamesp: Have you tried using the archinstall script?
2021-08-08 03:32:06	kevr	That thing is pretty sweet.
2021-08-08 03:32:22	jamesp	I didn't. I wanted to be part of the elite
2021-08-08 03:32:48	jamesp	Maybe this will help me (and you guys): https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=229994
2021-08-08 03:32:50	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] EFI partition not detected / Installation / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-08-08 03:33:10	kevr	jamesp: We need more information from you to be able to help you at all.
2021-08-08 03:33:33	kevr	We need to know exactly what was done, when, and what errors you encounter, which exact commands you type to install the bootloader etc
2021-08-08 03:33:51	jamesp	*facepalm* I followed his exact commands.
2021-08-08 03:34:00	kevr	I'm not going to watch some two hour video.
2021-08-08 03:34:08	jamesp	how about this: I set up the drive with fdisk
2021-08-08 03:34:30	kevr	read the guide, encounter issues in the process, ask with real data about your issue
2021-08-08 03:34:31	kevr	!bail
2021-08-08 03:34:32	phrik	Looks like kevr is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2021-08-08 03:35:39	kevr	to be fair, it's not really the guide we care about, but exact information.
2021-08-08 03:35:46	kevr	"i just did what this guy in a video did" doesn't really help
2021-08-08 03:36:07	jamesp	This is overwhelming for me
2021-08-08 03:36:10	onosendi	thrice: thanks for the rec, I'm really likin' this.
2021-08-08 03:36:40	jamesp	I installed partitions to the disk, set it up with GPT
2021-08-08 03:36:56	kevr	again, !exact
2021-08-08 03:36:59	jamesp	I have /dev/sda1 as the boot partition
2021-08-08 03:37:17	jamesp	and /dev/sda2 as the linux OS, set up with LVM
2021-08-08 03:37:42	jamesp	!exact
2021-08-08 03:37:43	phrik	please tell us *exactly* what you typed, and the *exact* error
2021-08-08 03:37:58	kevr	Not paraphrased.
2021-08-08 03:38:38	jamesp	again, I have /dev/sda2 as the partition where Arch Linux is installed
2021-08-08 03:38:51	kevr	jamesp: give us a paste of `lsblk`
2021-08-08 03:38:54	jamesp	I set up the partition with LVM
2021-08-08 03:39:21	kevr	and maybe `fdisk -l /dev/sda`
2021-08-08 03:39:24	jamesp	I don't remember the paste, and it requires that I boot into that computer
2021-08-08 03:39:26	kevr	!ix
2021-08-08 03:39:27	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2021-08-08 03:39:31	kevr	it doesn't
2021-08-08 03:39:34	kevr	you can do it on the live iso
2021-08-08 03:39:56	jonathon	jamesp: just checking, do you have access to the computer you're trying to fix?
2021-08-08 03:40:22	jamesp	yes, I can boot into the arch live ISO and use fdisk there
2021-08-08 03:40:30	jamesp	it doesn't require a chroot
2021-08-08 03:41:41	kevr	jamesp: The reason I suggested maybe archinstall is, if you're new to this, it might at least just help you to get jump started. that being said, working through the problems and understanding is a win as well.
2021-08-08 03:41:55	kevr	way moreso than archinstalling is.
2021-08-08 03:42:41	jamesp	I was just thinking that this was an issue with my motherboard
2021-08-08 03:43:14	kevr	We need to be able to actually look at the details of your system to diagnose of it even *should* work or not.
2021-08-08 03:43:20	⚡ 	jonathon wonders whether a bootloader was actually installed, and whether there's an EFI partition
2021-08-08 03:43:29	jamesp	fdisk says /dev/sda1 with a size of 500MB and identifies it as "EFI System" because that's what the computer will boot to
2021-08-08 03:43:40	jonathon	how many times have you gone through the installation process?
2021-08-08 03:44:11	jamesp	this is the first time
2021-08-08 03:44:40	jonathon	i'm just reading the scrollback and there's a few "gut feeling" comments, so it might be worth just trying again?
2021-08-08 03:45:04	jonathon	(and e.g. this time noting down exactly what you do at each stage)
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2021-08-08 04:08:06	kevr	james, we need exact pastes from you. There is no catch all answer to this, we need information about how your installation is setup on your hardware.
2021-08-08 04:08:29	kevr	Different situations call for different solutions.
2021-08-08 04:09:03	kevr	`lsblk`, `fdisk -l`, `mount`, `efibootmgr` output would all help
2021-08-08 04:09:37	jamesp	Okay. How do I delete my grub config and start all over? Do I have to reinstall Arch?
2021-08-08 04:10:02	kevr	you could just wipe your partitions and reformat them, i suppose.
2021-08-08 04:10:06	kevr	and/or*
2021-08-08 04:10:55	kevr	mkfs.vfat -F32 for your efi partition, mkfs.ext4 or whatever filesystem you use for your other ones (ext4 is pretty common these days).
2021-08-08 04:11:54	thrice	I still think it could just be a bootloader mis-install, but yeah, impossible to tell with the info provided
2021-08-08 04:12:56	⚡ 	kevr thinks so as well
2021-08-08 04:13:32	kevr	jamesp: however, keep in mind that, you having EFI or not efi is going to change your grub installation method dramatically.
2021-08-08 04:13:47	kevr	so, before you continue on to just installing grub, you need to verify what your machine is actually using
2021-08-08 04:14:17	kevr	if /sys/firmware/efi/efivars exists, you have EFI
2021-08-08 04:15:15	kevr	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB There is two sections in this article, one for BIOS systems and one for UEFI systems, each one with an Installation section.
2021-08-08 04:15:16	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-08 04:16:58	AndrewYu	/ 
2021-08-08 04:17:00	AndrewYu	oops
2021-08-08 04:29:48	ente_	I am currently using gdm as a display manager. Can I use gdm instead of something like i3lock for locking my screen (preferrably automatically with my lid)?
2021-08-08 04:31:24	thrice	not afaik
2021-08-08 04:32:30	ente_	thrice: what does gnome use for session locking then
2021-08-08 04:32:53	thrice	I assume that's a part of gnome-shell
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2021-08-08 04:55:21	jamesp	how do I chroot into my arch installation kevr
2021-08-08 04:56:01	mefistofeles	!give jamesp aw chroot
2021-08-08 04:56:02	phrik	jamesp: Chroot - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Chroot
2021-08-08 04:58:21	locrian9	Installed this with a PKGBUILD http://ix.io/3vjl ran updpkgsums and 'makepkg -f'.
2021-08-08 05:12:11	locrian9	I'm going to keep reading the https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fonts and see if there's something I'm missing.
2021-08-08 05:12:13	phrik	Title: Fonts - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-08 05:12:45	locrian9	!give locrian9 fonts
2021-08-08 05:12:46	phrik	locrian9: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fonts
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2021-08-08 08:06:52	ShapeShifter499	hi
2021-08-08 08:07:54	ShapeShifter499	I'm trying to boot an encrypted system.   Do I need to use something like sd-encrypt in order to pass the same passphrase to a second disk holding /home ?
2021-08-08 08:08:32	ShapeShifter499	or will cryptsetup and crypttab use the same passphase I unlocked / root with?
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2021-08-08 08:49:58	jpw	<ShapeShifter499>: if placed in crypttab you'll be prompted for the password on boot, unless you also configure the password in crypttab
2021-08-08 08:51:14	ShapeShifter499	I encrypted both disks with the same phassphrase so I would like to avoid having to type it twice
2021-08-08 08:53:30	jpw	in crypttab the 3rd parameter is a file that contains the password for the partition. e.g.
2021-08-08 08:53:48	jpw	enchome /dev/sdb4 /etc/enchomepw
2021-08-08 08:54:04	jpw	will automatically decrypt the volume on boot
2021-08-08 08:54:27	jpw	in this example it is not recomended unless /etc is also encrypted
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2021-08-08 09:49:37	evilop	you can store the key for the second device in the first device
2021-08-08 09:50:08	⚡ 	evilop hands ShapeShifter499 a yubikey/nitrokey
2021-08-08 09:50:17	evilop	or use a hardware token like ^
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2021-08-08 09:55:15	RlndVt	Hey, can someone help me set-up Suspend then hibernate with Gnome 40?
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2021-08-08 10:12:50	evilop	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=257645
2021-08-08 10:12:51	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Replace suspend with suspend-then-hibernate / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-08 10:12:57	evilop	tl;dr gnome doesn't really support it
2021-08-08 10:13:21	evilop	check if the gnome bugtracker have a feature request for it, if not then add one
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2021-08-08 10:13:57	evilop	as in, an actual gui option, preferable an extra button to the power dialog
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2021-08-08 10:14:14	alad	inb4 "it would confuse users"
2021-08-08 10:14:44	evilop	hmmm https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/-/issues/194
2021-08-08 10:14:46	phrik	Title: Introduce suspend-then-hibernate as an option for Power Button and Lid actions (power saving alternative to suspend) (#194) · Issues · GNOME / Settings · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
2021-08-08 10:14:57	evilop	apparently it silently supports it when available
2021-08-08 10:15:35	evilop	unless there is a newer issue/commit overriding that ^
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2021-08-08 10:32:04	stdgeodesic	Hi, I just installed Arch Linux on Hyper-V and am using dhclient to get an 172.xx.xx.xx IP address from Hyper-V's Default Switch. Now the internet connection works fine from inside Arch Linux (the guest OS) through NAT. However, in Hyper-V Manager, the 'IP Address' field for the Arch Linux VM is empty. How can I get the IP address of the VM from Hyper-V Manager? Do I need to install something
2021-08-08 10:32:06	stdgeodesic	like open-vm-tools in Arch Linux (the guest OS)? Thanks
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2021-08-08 10:36:31	hatrix	hey, I've got an issue with a game but I don't know where to start. I'm using i3 with Xorg, the problem is the game keeps getting inputs from the mouse even on a different desktop, where the game cannot be seen
2021-08-08 10:36:51	hatrix	it's super weird and I don't know if it comes from Xorg, i3, mesa, or the game itself
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2021-08-08 10:39:28	raster	the game
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2021-08-08 10:39:40	raster	proton?
2021-08-08 10:39:53	evilop	hatrix: test with a floater
2021-08-08 10:40:03	evilop	also, running full screen or borderless window?
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2021-08-08 10:40:43	hatrix	I am indeed using proton, the game is The Witcher 3 in borderless mode
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2021-08-08 10:41:29	evilop	fullscreen should avoid the problem
2021-08-08 10:41:34	raster	hatrix:  it's the game. it's using xinput to loisten to devices rather than core events
2021-08-08 10:41:42	raster	this means it can listen to a device if it has focus or not
2021-08-08 10:41:44	evilop	with the loss of seamless switch of course
2021-08-08 10:41:45	megumin	help me i want to change voltage https://termbin.com/z9mzi
2021-08-08 10:42:04	raster	though interesting that it keeps listening
2021-08-08 10:42:17	evilop	megumin: more info needed
2021-08-08 10:42:19	raster	i use games with proton too and they don't suffer from this
2021-08-08 10:42:24	hatrix	raster: it was working fine some time ago though, I downgraded back proton but the issue is still there, could it be something else?
2021-08-08 10:42:30	megumin	what should i type echo "s 1 1835 1070" > /sys/class/drm/card0/device/pp_od_clk_voltage
2021-08-08 10:42:41	raster	something i3 does in managing window state makes the the game not "stop looking"
2021-08-08 10:42:43	megumin	or  echo "s 2 1835 1070" > /sys/class/drm/card0/device/pp_od_clk_voltage
2021-08-08 10:42:45	hatrix	the game also glitches a bit now, could all that be related to mesa ?
2021-08-08 10:42:57	megumin	and what is VDDC_CURVE
2021-08-08 10:43:30	hatrix	I'm going to try in fullscreen
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2021-08-08 10:50:33	hatrix	ok so fullscreen didn't change anything, the game still has focus everywhere and plays audio
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2021-08-08 10:57:10	evilop	check with a floating wm
2021-08-08 10:57:22	evilop	a lot of games doesn't like tilers
2021-08-08 10:58:38	hatrix	floating as the one with mod + shift + space ?
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2021-08-08 10:59:11	evilop	grab a simple floating window manager
2021-08-08 10:59:26	evilop	eg openbox or whatever
2021-08-08 10:59:45	evilop	the issue is how most tilers doesn't do reparenting etc
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2021-08-08 11:03:18	megumin	evilop, so?
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2021-08-08 11:11:23	hatrix	hmm, I think I have a mesa problem also https://streamable.com/sm1f9x
2021-08-08 11:11:24	phrik	Title: VID_20210808_110808 (at streamable.com)
2021-08-08 11:12:02	hatrix	I stopped i3, launched openbox, got those, stopped openbox and relaunched i3, those glitches are everywhere now :/
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2021-08-08 11:21:28	raster	hatrix: sorry. reallife interrupted.
2021-08-08 11:21:55	raster	hatrix:  so long ago ganes were onkly using core input. this meant they would lose keys that were bindings for wm's wg ... alt+tab etc.
2021-08-08 11:22:34	raster	while you actually want this to happen - manyt wm's have lots of varying bindings and games dont know what to avoid and not to avoid, so there was a move especially in proton to now use xinput whihc can listen all the time
2021-08-08 11:23:02	raster	so what proton is doing is it STOPS caring about key events if the window loses focus
2021-08-08 11:23:13	raster	and starts caring when it gains focus... or SHOULD
2021-08-08 11:23:19	raster	at least that is what happens here
2021-08-08 11:23:27	raster	(also if the mouse leaves the window it stops caring etc.)
2021-08-08 11:25:01	raster	i have seen some bugs with various iterations/versions of proton regarding this ... like the bleeding edge proton seemed to have issues so i'm using a  slightly older one.
2021-08-08 11:27:13	raster	and yeah - you have some driver bugs there. it may not even be mesa but depper down - the scanout may be messing up and literally scanning out rows of pixels incorrectly (eg for those lines it's just outputting a single value). i'd normally expect gpu rendering bugs to have more of a tiled problem rather than linear scans which implies its more to the display end of the pipe.
2021-08-08 11:27:18	hatrix	I did downgrade to a previous proton version that was working, but the issue is still there
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2021-08-08 11:28:11	hatrix	well, my graphics card has some issues open on mesa's gitlab
2021-08-08 11:28:38	raster	hatrix: i set ark in steam to use proton 5.13-6 as that seems to for now be the most reliable.
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2021-08-08 11:29:06	raster	but proton experimental has been very hit and miss for me
2021-08-08 11:29:25	raster	btw...
2021-08-08 11:29:33	raster	if you take a screenshot .. do you see those artefacts?
2021-08-08 11:29:37	raster	artifacts
2021-08-08 11:29:40	thingfish	I have better luck with Proton-GE, guys.
2021-08-08 11:29:48	hatrix	ok, I'm doing a system update and I'll reboot and try 5.13-6
2021-08-08 11:30:54	hatrix	raster: https://streamable.com/4eqefr
2021-08-08 11:30:56	phrik	Title: glitch (at streamable.com)
2021-08-08 11:31:18	raster	if you dont see those line glitches in a screenshot... then your issue is well after mesa - it's probably in the kernel drm driver as that sets up the display modes and timings etc. as i suspect your issue is down there.
2021-08-08 11:31:22	hatrix	I got no idea if the video is glitchy or not, can't see the glitches through the glitches
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2021-08-08 11:32:04	raster	if the issues are in the screenshot then the isue is in the rendering pipeline and literally it's writing that junk to the framebuffer and it still could be clocks and timings .. or could be somethnig else.
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2021-08-08 11:32:15	sehika	hello
2021-08-08 11:32:18	netsan	!paste
2021-08-08 11:32:18	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-08 11:32:26	raster	well your stream shows a build going
2021-08-08 11:32:33	hatrix	and no glitch?
2021-08-08 11:32:42	sehika	anyone has any clue about this? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=266980
2021-08-08 11:32:42	phrik	Title: Laptop randomly unable to wake from suspend state / Laptop Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-08-08 11:32:55	raster	just the same build looped.
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2021-08-08 11:32:59	hatrix	I'm currently having the same as the first video
2021-08-08 11:33:02	raster	no glitches.
2021-08-08 11:33:13	raster	oh wait.. your build has glitches too?
2021-08-08 11:33:17	hatrix	yes
2021-08-08 11:33:21	hatrix	even the terminal I'm currently using
2021-08-08 11:33:24	raster	oh - the stream is fine...
2021-08-08 11:33:34	raster	so .. your problem is on the output.. it could also be your cabling and monitor too
2021-08-08 11:33:53	hatrix	all my 3 monitors have those glitches
2021-08-08 11:34:07	raster	well then .. it's at the output end of your gfx card
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2021-08-08 11:34:32	raster	ie the framebuffer contains perfectly fine info. its the process of reading that data and producing a signal that is barfing.
2021-08-08 11:34:36	netsan	Hi guys - i'm really trying to understand the makepkg --syncdeps usage... according to the wiki  "To build the package and install needed dependencies, add the flag -s/--syncdeps:" - however things still failing and requiering me to manually install dependencies? --> https://bpa.st/7UGA
2021-08-08 11:34:38	phrik	Title: View paste 7UGA (at bpa.st)
2021-08-08 11:35:01	hatrix	oh ok, how can I debug what's happening? logs, or something?
2021-08-08 11:35:12	raster	so either driver problem as i said - clocks and memory timings can sometimes do thnigs like the glitches you show... or literally your hardware has problems and no software is going to magically fix broken hw :)
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2021-08-08 11:35:49	raster	well you can first try and check your screen modes - are you running at like 144hz or 200hz or something - is the dot clock being pushed too far?
2021-08-08 11:36:02	raster	try and be conservative with just 60hz.
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2021-08-08 11:36:20	hatrix	I'm using 60Hz on all monitors
2021-08-08 11:36:25	raster	beyond that you're into "you won't find logs - time to talk to the kernel drm developers about your driver and problems"
2021-08-08 11:36:33	hatrix	I'm trying to find a -maybe- related issue on gitlab
2021-08-08 11:37:02	raster	you could try re-seat your card... :) just to be sure.
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2021-08-08 11:37:27	raster	but then i'd expect bigger problems if the pcie connection is loose.
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2021-08-08 11:37:53	hatrix	https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/1237
2021-08-08 11:37:54	phrik	Title: Radeon RX 5500 XT: GPU resets during boot with dual 1440p display setup (#1237) · Issues · drm / amd · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
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2021-08-08 11:38:11	hatrix	I got that exact same problem, something about a race condition
2021-08-08 11:38:16	hatrix	could it be related?
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2021-08-08 11:38:38	raster	dunno. thats a reset... as opposed to output glitches
2021-08-08 11:38:54	raster	but ... time to talk to the amdgpu driver devs
2021-08-08 11:39:15	raster	report your problem - show that stream video with the glitches.
2021-08-08 11:39:54	hatrix	that's #dri right?
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2021-08-08 11:40:32	raster	#dri-devel .. but it's on oftc
2021-08-08 11:40:35	raster	not libera
2021-08-08 11:40:57	hatrix	oh right
2021-08-08 11:41:11	hatrix	thanks for the help, I'll see if I can fix that :)
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2021-08-08 11:43:01	sehika	hello
2021-08-08 11:43:16	sehika	anyone has any clue about this? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=266980
2021-08-08 11:43:18	phrik	Title: Laptop randomly unable to wake from suspend state / Laptop Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-08 11:46:56	ℹ 	ada_- es conocido ahora como ada_
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2021-08-08 11:47:12	hatrix	but to be sure raster, are those glitches related to my focus problem or not at all?
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2021-08-08 11:53:57	hatrix	and the game simply doesn't launch with proton 5.13-6 :(
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2021-08-08 12:12:50	HebusLeTroll	Hello, I'm looking for a fast way to compare 2 directory trees. Comparing filename + size (plus modification date) is good enough for my use. Diff -r takes way too much time. Any idea ?
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2021-08-08 12:13:38	HebusLeTroll	(comparison date is optional)
2021-08-08 12:13:42	grawity	rsync -aivnO dir1/ dir2/
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2021-08-08 12:13:56	HebusLeTroll	I'll try thanks
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2021-08-08 12:14:47	grawity	either run it both ways, or add --del to make it detect files missing from dir1; should be safe as long as you don't forget the -n (dry-run) option there
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2021-08-08 12:15:05	sehika	hello
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2021-08-08 12:15:32	sehika	anyone has any clue about https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=266980?
2021-08-08 12:15:33	phrik	Title: Laptop randomly unable to wake from suspend state / Laptop Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-08 12:21:55	sehika	seth hi, are you there?
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2021-08-08 12:26:48	sehika	seth https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=266980
2021-08-08 12:26:50	phrik	Title: Laptop randomly unable to wake from suspend state / Laptop Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-08 12:32:04	HebusLeTroll	grawity, it doesn't seem to work, I just have a list of all the files
2021-08-08 12:32:32	grawity	they differ by something else, the letters that -i outputs should indicate what exactly is different
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2021-08-08 12:37:11	HebusLeTroll	sorry the man page for rscync -i is too cryptic for me, is there a simple to use diff-like tool that does only size and filename folder comparison ?
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2021-08-08 12:40:46	grawity	diff -u <(find dir1 -printf '%P: %s %t\n') <(find dir2 -printf '%P: %s %t\n')
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2021-08-08 12:43:48	HebusLeTroll	grawity, cool thanks a lot
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2021-08-08 12:46:23	Namarrgon	"diff -qr dir1 dir2" is easier to remember but less pleasant to look at when there are many differences
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2021-08-08 12:54:33	Hylden	Anyone know if .zshenv has some source/import function?
2021-08-08 12:55:28	Namarrgon	it's a regular zsh script
2021-08-08 12:56:36	Hylden	Uh, oh yeah, thanks
2021-08-08 12:58:37	jaca122	is there any guide on replacing pulseaudio with alsa? or is it not worth to bother?
2021-08-08 12:59:13	thrice	what problems are you having with pulse?
2021-08-08 12:59:26	teraflops	you do have alsa installed already
2021-08-08 12:59:54	jaca122	well, i dont have any problems with it Im just bored
2021-08-08 13:00:14	jaca122	well, as far as I know pulseaudio is an overlay over alsa
2021-08-08 13:00:34	teraflops	I do prefaer alsa for the external DACS
2021-08-08 13:00:49	Namarrgon	alsa is part of the kernel, so everything is an "overlay"
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2021-08-08 13:01:14	teraflops	apart from that I do not see any advantages on plain alsa over pulseaudio
2021-08-08 13:01:24	jaca122	ok ty
2021-08-08 13:02:08	tirnanog	grawity: one would need to sort the output stream of each of those find commands there because the pathnames are traversed in an unpredictable order, leading to strange diffs.
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2021-08-08 13:15:18	samuelbernardo	Hi
2021-08-08 13:15:34	samuelbernardo	I bought an HP Pavilion Gaming laptop and after restart the efi entry is always removed
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2021-08-08 13:16:09	NetSysFire	did you check if your device has a wiki page in the archwiki?
2021-08-08 13:16:16	samuelbernardo	anyone knows how this laptop collects the existing OS?
2021-08-08 13:16:34	samuelbernardo	NetSysFire: didn't...
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2021-08-08 13:18:48	samuelbernardo	wiki page only have old models
2021-08-08 13:18:51	samuelbernardo	HP Pavilion 15-ec2xxx
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2021-08-08 13:19:14	samuelbernardo	can't find info from this one
2021-08-08 13:19:21	samuelbernardo	*for
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2021-08-08 13:19:55	thrice	so, you're not using a bootloader, but just efistub or whatever?
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2021-08-08 13:28:34	jimmy399	Hy all
2021-08-08 13:28:44	ℹ 	alin es conocido ahora como Constantin
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2021-08-08 13:33:24	samuelbernardo	thrice: I'm using grub and use efibootmgr to create the entry
2021-08-08 13:33:41	samuelbernardo	but after reboot it disapears
2021-08-08 13:33:43	NetSysFire	are you dualbooting?
2021-08-08 13:33:48	samuelbernardo	No
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2021-08-08 13:34:02	NetSysFire	did you consider using the default path instead of creating another boot entry?
2021-08-08 13:34:05	Namarrgon	why are you creating the entry manually?
2021-08-08 13:34:13	NetSysFire	also ^
2021-08-08 13:34:30	samuelbernardo	I'm migrating partitions from my old laptop
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2021-08-08 13:35:19	samuelbernardo	I'm using the default path from initial setup
2021-08-08 13:35:33	samuelbernardo	only recovering it in the new laptop
2021-08-08 13:35:41	samuelbernardo	the uefi entry
2021-08-08 13:36:02	samuelbernardo	in the system before reboot the entry is listed as 0000 and appears as the first boot entry
2021-08-08 13:36:21	samuelbernardo	after reboot is removed, don't know why
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2021-08-08 13:44:49	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1236 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1235 normals)
2021-08-08 13:44:53	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-08 13:46:28	Namarrgon	thomasb06: what does "swaymsg -t get_outputs" return?
2021-08-08 13:46:55	Namarrgon	which packages were updated?
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2021-08-08 13:50:35	thomasb06	Namarrgon: here is the output: https://x0.at/r3nU.txt
2021-08-08 13:51:03	thomasb06	but I didn't do any update since Thursday, so it may have broken then
2021-08-08 13:51:32	thomasb06	(however I haven't a clue what packages were in the update...)
2021-08-08 13:52:08	Namarrgon	check pacman's log
2021-08-08 13:52:18	thomasb06	how to?
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2021-08-08 13:52:46	Namarrgon	open it in your favorite editor/pager
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2021-08-08 13:59:01	thomasb06	the file /var/log/pacman.log shows a bunch of updates, but would you have command to extract them?
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2021-08-08 13:59:30	Namarrgon	scroll down to the bottom, find the update that potentially changed the behaviour
2021-08-08 13:59:50	Namarrgon	the log has timestamps, it shouldn't be too hard to find thursday
2021-08-08 14:03:04	thomasb06	there's: alsa-card-profiles, util-linux-libs, e2fsprogs, go, util-linux, linux-lts, linux-lts-headers, npm, pipewire, python-virtualenv, ttf-font-awesome, udisks2
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2021-08-08 14:05:08	thomasb06	the day before, there was: openexr, gegl, gst-plugins-bad-libs, imagemagick, gst-plugins-bad, libvirt, linux, libtg_owt, telegram-desktop, vivaldi, xdotool
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2021-08-08 14:06:04	thomasb06	and the day before: vlc, xorg-server-common, xorg-server, xorg-server-devel, xorg-server-xephyr, xorg-server-xnest, xorg-server-xvfb
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2021-08-08 14:12:37	Namarrgon	apart from the kernel it all doesn't look terribly related
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2021-08-08 14:13:10	thomasb06	the kernel is the lts one
2021-08-08 14:13:21	thomasb06	nothing much to do then
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2021-08-08 14:19:58	thrice	not sure how it works in sway, but is scaling enabled / got increased somehow?
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2021-08-08 14:24:11	filaci	seth hello
2021-08-08 14:24:17	filaci	seth are you there?
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2021-08-08 18:15:23	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1239 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1238 normals)
2021-08-08 15:23:23	MacGyver	Pasting to paste.rs using that curl command.
2021-08-08 15:23:47	jamesp	so what command do I need to type before the curl?
2021-08-08 15:23:56	MacGyver	ls -lhaR /mnt/boot
2021-08-08 15:25:11	jamesp	paste.rs/yEP
2021-08-08 15:26:05	MacGyver	Okay, so I assume you would normally mount the /dev/sda1 on /mnt/boot/EFI, right?
2021-08-08 15:26:20	dave_uy	!paste
2021-08-08 15:26:21	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-08 15:26:33	Foxboron	MacGyver: no, they forgot grub-install
2021-08-08 15:26:52	MacGyver	Foxboron: No, they didn't.
2021-08-08 15:27:02	MacGyver	See last night, 5-ish AM.
2021-08-08 15:27:08	⚡ 	Foxboron scrolls
2021-08-08 15:27:16	MacGyver	They did do *a* grub-install.
2021-08-08 15:27:26	jamesp	i'm he/him
2021-08-08 15:27:27	MacGyver	But I think they may have left out a esp-directory directive or somesuch.
2021-08-08 15:27:55	Foxboron	Right, but /boot/EFI is a weird directory
2021-08-08 15:28:01	Foxboron	also it makes the setup more complicated.
2021-08-08 15:28:23	thomasb06	thrice: Namarrgon: maybe it's sway because some windows have the gap around the border canceled. There should be one and some have none
2021-08-08 15:28:24	MacGyver	jamesp: Noted, but I've pretty much gotten into the habit of just saying "they" whenever gender is unimportant -- if you insist I'll try to make an effort to use he/him though.
2021-08-08 15:28:26	jamesp	the reason why /boot/EFI is empty is because it is mounted as /dev/sda1 and the root is at /dev/sda2
2021-08-08 15:28:54	MacGyver	jamesp: So is /dev/sda1 mounted anywhere right now?
2021-08-08 15:28:57	Foxboron	regardless, post efibootmgr -v
2021-08-08 15:29:27	MacGyver	jamesp: The reason I asked you not to mount it first is to make sure there's no accidental over-mounting going on, files being installed on the wrong partition.
2021-08-08 15:30:02	MacGyver	jamesp: So if it's not mounted right now, mount it *now* on where you want to have it mounted, then pastebin `efibootmgr -v` and `ls -lhaR <wherever your ESP is mounted>`.
2021-08-08 15:30:12	jamesp	I didn't mount /boot/EFI yet
2021-08-08 15:30:32	jamesp	that's why it's empty, but I won't mount it until you guys say so
2021-08-08 15:30:43	MacGyver	jamesp: Right, so, do that now; make sure to mount it on /mnt/boot/EFI though.
2021-08-08 15:30:59	jamesp	sure can do
2021-08-08 15:31:07	MacGyver	Foxboron: I agree it makes the setup needlessly complicated -- hell, you know my opinion on using grub in the first place :P
2021-08-08 15:31:15	Foxboron	MacGyver: :)
2021-08-08 15:31:22	MacGyver	But it's the setup being used and I'd rather first figure out what's *wrong*.
2021-08-08 15:31:25	Foxboron	MacGyver: I need to write up how to setup boot with the next mkinitcpio release
2021-08-08 15:31:32	jamesp	https://paste.rs/weL
2021-08-08 15:31:57	Foxboron	jamesp: post efibootmgr -v
2021-08-08 15:32:39	MacGyver	Probably going to find there's no boot manager entry for it, and there's clearly no fallback loader installed.
2021-08-08 15:32:55	Foxboron	indeed
2021-08-08 15:33:00	Foxboron	and grub.cfg is not on the esp
2021-08-08 15:33:27	jamesp	grub.cfg is in /boot/grub
2021-08-08 15:33:37	Foxboron	Yes
2021-08-08 15:34:07	MacGyver	Foxboron: Doesn't need to be, as long as you pass the right directories to grub-install, right?
2021-08-08 15:34:18	ente_	thrice: thanks :)
2021-08-08 15:34:27	Foxboron	MacGyver: how would grub read the config if it's not on the partition?
2021-08-08 15:34:30	Foxboron	it's not baked inn?
2021-08-08 15:34:43	MacGyver	Foxboron: I know grub bakes *some* things into its UEFI loader.
2021-08-08 15:34:53	MacGyver	Why not "where to find the config"?
2021-08-08 15:35:03	jamesp	the only file in /boot/EFI is EFI.
2021-08-08 15:35:41	Foxboron	MacGyver: are you saying grub would mount sda2 to read the config :p?
2021-08-08 15:36:22	MacGyver	Foxboron: Yes.
2021-08-08 15:36:32	MacGyver	Well, lv_root in this case.
2021-08-08 15:36:42	MacGyver	Yes there's a giant catch-22 there.
2021-08-08 15:36:55	MacGyver	But the grub wiki page doesn't say anything about putting grub.cfg on the esp.
2021-08-08 15:38:26	Foxboron	Grub is silly
2021-08-08 15:38:26	Foxboron	man
2021-08-08 15:38:42	jamesp	Someone said online he got around the issues by switching from grub to systemd-boot
2021-08-08 15:39:04	MacGyver	jamesp: Well is there any particular reason you're using grub at all?
2021-08-08 15:39:05	Foxboron	failure to install a complex bootloader is often solved by installing a simpler one.
2021-08-08 15:39:22	MacGyver	Success to install a complex bootloader is also often solved by installing a simpler one :P
2021-08-08 15:39:42	⚡ 	MacGyver has come to despise the proliferation of grub in a post-UEFI world
2021-08-08 15:40:50	MacGyver	jamesp: Because it looks like this'd work perfectly fine if you reinstall grub with the correct --boot-directory flag passed to it.
2021-08-08 15:41:22	jamesp	So how to I UNinstall grub? Should I chroot?
2021-08-08 15:41:24	MacGyver	jamesp: But *I* am very much in favour of telling you to nuke /mnt/boot entirely, then mount the ESP on /mnt/boot, then reinstall the kernels and install systemd-boot.
2021-08-08 15:43:16	MacGyver	Nah, the nice thing about UEFI is that it's mostly just a bunch of files. No need to chroot, just `rm -r /mnt/boot/EFI/*`, then `umount /mnt/boot/EFI`, then `rm -r /mnt/boot` and `mkdir /mnt/boot`
2021-08-08 15:43:41	MacGyver	That clears out your *entire* boot setup (and the kernels, which we have to put in another place anyway)
2021-08-08 15:43:53	MacGyver	Then, mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot
2021-08-08 15:44:17	MacGyver	*Then* arch-chroot /mnt; and pacman -S linux linux-lts
2021-08-08 15:44:39	jamesp	Because I want to use UEFI
2021-08-08 15:44:53	MacGyver	That gives you the same system, but now with the kernels on the ESP in preparation for systemd-boot.
2021-08-08 15:45:01	jamesp	great!
2021-08-08 15:45:22	MacGyver	You'll also have to re-generate /etc/fstab
2021-08-08 15:45:34	MacGyver	Because you're now mounting the ESP directly on /boot, rather than /boot/EFI.
2021-08-08 15:46:37	MacGyver	Then, follow the steps under https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot , in particular https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot#Installing_the_EFI_boot_manager and https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot#Loader_configuration
2021-08-08 15:46:38	phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-08 15:46:51	jamesp	I don't want the linux kernel to be in the boot partition, but does it have to?
2021-08-08 15:47:03	MacGyver	Why not?
2021-08-08 15:47:16	MacGyver	You're not using FDE and you have plenty of space.
2021-08-08 15:47:29	jelle	imagine using FDE
2021-08-08 15:47:41	jamesp	Because the boot partition uses FAT32 and the linux partition uses ext4
2021-08-08 15:48:07	MacGyver	So?
2021-08-08 15:48:39	MacGyver	Look if the kernel gets fucked up due to filesystem corruption, you're screwed *regardless*.
2021-08-08 15:48:58	MacGyver	 /boot is a mostly read-only affair.
2021-08-08 15:49:10	jamesp	At least it'll be easier to make backup images.
2021-08-08 15:49:54	jamesp	Then re-image them and get back to work.
2021-08-08 15:50:21	MacGyver	So your problem is not so much it being on FAT32, but it *not* being in LVM?
2021-08-08 15:50:55	MacGyver	If you desperately need your kernel to be in LVM, you're stuck with grub.
2021-08-08 15:51:36	jamesp	Well I'm not desperate, so I'll have the kernel reside in FAT32.
2021-08-08 15:52:11	jamesp	Just need to `rm -r /mnt/boot` and `mkdir /mnt/boot`
2021-08-08 15:52:34	MacGyver	Just image the ESP as well when you're imaging; like I said, it's a read-only affair except *during* pacman -Syu.
2021-08-08 15:53:28	MacGyver	In all my years running arch on UEFIs I think I've only had to reinstall a kernel due to FS corruption once, and that was when I had a power cut *during* pacman -Syu; having it on ext4 wouldn't have mattered.
2021-08-08 15:53:55	MacGyver	I was going to need the archiso anyway.
2021-08-08 15:57:21	jamesp	I mounted /dev/sda1 to /mnt/boot and chrooted into arch
2021-08-08 15:58:11	MacGyver	into /mnt, I assume.
2021-08-08 15:58:21	MacGyver	Okay, so now pacman -Syu linux linux-lts
2021-08-08 15:58:30	MacGyver	Because those are the kernels you already had installed.
2021-08-08 15:58:45	MacGyver	Then follow those instructions on the systemd-boot wiki page I linked earlier to install and configure systemd-boot.
2021-08-08 15:58:49	MacGyver	And re-generate your /etc/fstab.
2021-08-08 16:05:45	jamesp	Can I uninstall grub from pacman/
2021-08-08 16:06:03	MacGyver	If you're switching to systemd-boot, yes.
2021-08-08 16:10:36	jamesp	How do I know if the ESP was mounted? Did we do that earlier?
2021-08-08 16:11:24	MacGyver	You mounted /dev/sda1 to /mnt/boot, right? You said that a few minutes ago.
2021-08-08 16:11:33	MacGyver	/dev/sda1 is your ESP.
2021-08-08 16:11:40	jamesp	good.
2021-08-08 16:12:24	jamesp	'Created EFI boot entry "Linux Boot Manager".' That's what I got typing in `bootctl install`
2021-08-08 16:13:28	jamesp	Does that mean my computer will detect Linux at boot?
2021-08-08 16:13:41	MacGyver	Well, it means you now have an installed bootloader.
2021-08-08 16:13:50	MacGyver	You still need to tell it where to find your kernels though.
2021-08-08 16:13:58	MacGyver	That's what https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot#Loader_configuration is for.
2021-08-08 16:13:59	phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-08 16:16:43	MacGyver	In your case, a minimal configuration could have "title arch", "linux /vmlinuz-linux", "initrd /initramfs-linux.img", "options root=UUID=153d1a0a-420e-480f-8e61-044e86b8a53e rw"
2021-08-08 16:18:16	jamesp	How do I configure, keeping in mind I have those two kernels: linux and linux-lts?
2021-08-08 16:18:17	tw3ml0w	RTFM!
2021-08-08 16:18:28	tw3ml0w	should make a rtfm bot
2021-08-08 16:18:34	tw3ml0w	for the memez
2021-08-08 16:18:37	MacGyver	jamesp: You just make multiple configuration files.
2021-08-08 16:18:56	MacGyver	jamesp: One file in entries/ for every kernel/initramfs combination.
2021-08-08 16:19:16	coruja	!give tw3ml0w rtfm
2021-08-08 16:19:16	phrik	tw3ml0w: Read the fine manual. http://xkcd.com/293/
2021-08-08 16:19:34	jamesp	the esp is once again /boot, just to be sure, right?
2021-08-08 16:19:39	MacGyver	jamesp: Once you've made one, it's a matter of copying it over and changing the paths to the kernel and initramfs accordingly.
2021-08-08 16:19:46	MacGyver	Yes, the ESP is mounted on /boot.
2021-08-08 16:19:57	MacGyver	But in your systemd-boot entries you don't list that explicitly anywhere.
2021-08-08 16:20:11	MacGyver	The right place for the boot entries is /boot/loader/entries/*.conf
2021-08-08 16:20:46	MacGyver	But the paths *in* those entries are "relative to the root of the ESP", so /vmlinuz-linux for the kernel, not /boot/vmlinuz-linux.
2021-08-08 16:21:18	jamesp	In loader.conf, the 3 lines I get are:
2021-08-08 16:21:22	jamesp	#timeout 3
2021-08-08 16:21:28	tw3ml0w	lol
2021-08-08 16:21:29	jamesp	#console-mode keep
2021-08-08 16:21:50	jamesp	default *random hash here, probably an lvm partition*
2021-08-08 16:21:59	MacGyver	jamesp: loader.conf is the general loader configuration file; boot loader entries go in the *directory* loader/ next to it.
2021-08-08 16:22:17	MacGyver	jamesp: default just needs to match a title.
2021-08-08 16:22:25	MacGyver	Or maybe just the filename.
2021-08-08 16:23:44	MacGyver	Uh, the directory entries, not loader.
2021-08-08 16:23:56	MacGyver	Sorry for adding additional confusion to the mix.
2021-08-08 16:25:34	jamesp	This is so confusing. hold on
2021-08-08 16:26:34	jamesp	so far, after doing `bootctl install`, I haven't done anything else. (It was all too confusing) Can you start over?
2021-08-08 16:27:03	MacGyver	There's nothing to start over. Just read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot#Loader_configuration
2021-08-08 16:27:03	phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-08 16:27:12	MacGyver	It has example loader entries.
2021-08-08 16:27:45	MacGyver	Though I'd used root=UUID=153d1a0a-420e-480f-8e61-044e86b8a53e in your case, not label.
2021-08-08 16:34:37	jamesp	Can I still paste to paste.rs while chrooted?
2021-08-08 16:34:56	thrice	if you have network access, sure
2021-08-08 16:38:02	jamesp	!rs
2021-08-08 16:38:02	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2021-08-08 16:39:23	jamesp	https://paste.rs/vn2 this is what /boot/loader/loader.conf looks like on my end. haven't changed anything
2021-08-08 16:40:23	jimmy399	Re
2021-08-08 16:40:25	MacGyver	Yeah, sure, you'll probably want to change that default at some point because it's not going to match anything.
2021-08-08 16:40:31	MacGyver	But that's not relevant.
2021-08-08 16:40:36	MacGyver	You need to add loader *entries*.
2021-08-08 16:41:19	jamesp	https://paste.rs/P7e when I `ls /boot`
2021-08-08 16:41:50	jamesp	what does 9a963d4d744c4ea0b6a44673abc698d3 mean?
2021-08-08 16:43:27	jimmy399	This is a good question.
2021-08-08 16:43:43	Hello71	someone is hacking your computer, panic!
2021-08-08 16:43:57	jimmy399	:D
2021-08-08 16:44:04	jimmy399	9096... is a directory?
2021-08-08 16:44:17	Hello71	it's your machine id. and if you're going to share ls output, at least make it ls -l
2021-08-08 16:45:42	hendry	google-chrome is making my machine overheat... sheesh
2021-08-08 16:47:21	jamesp	https://paste.rs/quS
2021-08-08 16:53:10	MacGyver	Well, it's a directory, what's in it?
2021-08-08 16:53:23	jamesp	This is /boot
2021-08-08 16:53:42	Namarrgon	ls /boot/9a963d4d744c4ea0b6a44673abc698d3
2021-08-08 16:55:59	jamesp	Got nothing. Hello71 said it's my machine ID
2021-08-08 16:56:07	NakedKing	!rs
2021-08-08 16:56:07	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2021-08-08 16:56:11	Hello71	bootctl installs it
2021-08-08 16:56:16	Hello71	because systemd
2021-08-08 16:56:34	Namarrgon	and what is in /boot/loader/entries/ ?
2021-08-08 16:56:58	jamesp	also nothing
2021-08-08 16:57:10	Namarrgon	write entries for the kernels you want it to boot and add one of them to the "default" line in loader.conf
2021-08-08 16:57:42	Namarrgon	you can get rid of the UUID directory
2021-08-08 16:58:58	jamesp	By UUID you mean the random hash? Because it's also mentioned in /boot/loader/loader.conf which is here: https://paste.rs/vn2
2021-08-08 16:59:08	thrice	there's a sample at /usr/share/systemd/bootctl/arch.conf
2021-08-08 16:59:10	Namarrgon	yes, yes, remove it
2021-08-08 16:59:33	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot#Configuration
2021-08-08 16:59:35	phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-08 16:59:57	jamesp	because there's also a '-*', is that nothing?
2021-08-08 17:01:20	Namarrgon	you can use a glob if you want to but you probably don't want to
2021-08-08 17:01:54	jamesp	that's a glob?
2021-08-08 17:02:33	Namarrgon	it's a wildcard that matches any string
2021-08-08 17:09:36	jamesp	what is "default"?
2021-08-08 17:09:55	Namarrgon	what do you think it is?
2021-08-08 17:09:59	jamesp	I'm editing /boot/loader/loader.conf
2021-08-08 17:10:08	jamesp	A default kernel?
2021-08-08 17:10:14	Namarrgon	a vew lines up i gave you the link to the wiki
2021-08-08 17:10:17	Namarrgon	*few
2021-08-08 17:10:33	Namarrgon	also 'man loader.conf'
2021-08-08 17:11:09	MacGyver	For the umpteenth time.
2021-08-08 17:11:13	MacGyver	You need to add loader *entries*.
2021-08-08 17:11:16	MacGyver	Not edit loader.conf
2021-08-08 17:11:41	Namarrgon	systemd-boot doesn't detect the kernel automatically, you have to write the entries yourself
2021-08-08 17:11:56	thrice	I'd copy that reference file I showed above to /boot/loader/entries/ (or wherever it is on your system) and edit that
2021-08-08 17:12:04	jamesp	I think I'm onto something...
2021-08-08 17:13:27	jamesp	One .conf file per entry, I assume/
2021-08-08 17:14:47	thrice	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot#Adding_loaders
2021-08-08 17:14:48	phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-08 17:14:50	thrice	please read and stop assuming
2021-08-08 17:19:41	cyphertite	jamesp:  additionally, you can have multiple kernel launch files existing under /boot/efi/loader/entries/, but only whatever 'arch.conf' currently contains will be launched
2021-08-08 17:20:21	jamesp	what is arch.conf and where is it?
2021-08-08 17:21:03	thrice	!bail
2021-08-08 17:21:04	phrik	Looks like thrice is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2021-08-08 17:21:18	cyphertite	!bail
2021-08-08 17:21:18	phrik	Looks like cyphertite is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2021-08-08 17:21:35	post-factum	meh what happened to https://repo.vin.ovh/arch
2021-08-08 17:21:58	jamesp	RIP
2021-08-08 17:22:26	post-factum	https://github.com/jstkdng/aur/commit/70a78634015525daf88945059ca93d6eb35f664c oh i see
2021-08-08 17:22:29	post-factum	not really rip
2021-08-08 17:23:33	jelle	rip
2021-08-08 17:24:42	post-factum	resume in (another) place, yes
2021-08-08 17:25:18	jamesp	Can arch.conf be any other name you want?
2021-08-08 17:26:12	MacGyver	Yes, since you'll need more than one anyway because you have multiple kernels.
2021-08-08 17:26:19	MacGyver	They do have to end in .conf though.
2021-08-08 17:26:32	jamesp	Good.
2021-08-08 17:27:25	anon_	hello
2021-08-08 17:27:32	anon_	seth are you there?
2021-08-08 17:27:40	thomasb06	is there an equivalent of dpigs in Debian?
2021-08-08 17:28:57	thrice	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#With_size  ?
2021-08-08 17:28:58	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-08 17:29:10	thrice	(assuming I googled what dpigs does correctly)
2021-08-08 17:30:10	thomasb06	thrice: cheers
2021-08-08 17:31:37	thomasb06	the command puts Mb in the middle of Kb
2021-08-08 17:32:31	thrice	hm, works here
2021-08-08 17:33:16	thomasb06	ah... When I browse up, there are Mb numbers everywhere
2021-08-08 17:35:31	thrice	I got KiB to MiB pretty cleanly
2021-08-08 17:35:58	thomasb06	here: https://x0.at/03AR.txt
2021-08-08 17:36:35	thomasb06	the command is: `LC_ALL=C pacman -Qi | awk '/^Name/{name=$3} /^Installed Size/{print $4$5, name}' | sort -h` ?
2021-08-08 17:38:05	thrice	That's what I use, and get: http://ix.io/3vnP
2021-08-08 17:41:03	thomasb06	those days...
2021-08-08 17:42:24	thrice	?
2021-08-08 17:42:44	thomasb06	no idea what I could have broken
2021-08-08 17:43:38	thrice	are you on arch, or a derivative?
2021-08-08 17:43:51	thomasb06	on arch
2021-08-08 17:44:18	thomasb06	sort is broken lol
2021-08-08 17:44:37	thrice	did you add the -h ?
2021-08-08 17:45:42	thrice	/usr/bin/sort is owned by coreutils 8.32-1
2021-08-08 17:45:44	thrice	dunno
2021-08-08 17:46:00	thomasb06	yes, I did. Let me try /usr/bin/sort
2021-08-08 17:46:28	thrice	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=112038
2021-08-08 17:46:29	phrik	Title: List all installed packages by size / Community Contributions / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-08-08 17:46:30	thrice	some other options
2021-08-08 17:46:56	thomasb06	same specifying /usr/bin/sort
2021-08-08 17:48:24	jamesp	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot#Adding_loaders Do I need ucode for the system to work?
2021-08-08 17:48:25	phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-08 17:50:31	Scimmia	most of the time, no, but there are bugs that get fixed with newer microcode
2021-08-08 17:50:42	jamesp	Also, what is machine-id? Why would I need to put that in arch.conf?
2021-08-08 17:51:03	Scimmia	and there are extreme cases like the haswell/broadwell tsx issue
2021-08-08 17:51:53	Scimmia	the description of that option covers that question
2021-08-08 17:53:58	thomasb06	thrice: great, there must be one that will work. Thank you
2021-08-08 17:54:52	jamesp	Because I don't think I installed microcode yet
2021-08-08 17:55:37	jamesp	Can I still install microcode while in a chroot?
2021-08-08 17:55:46	lambda	it's just a package
2021-08-08 17:57:24	ente_	"kevr"?
2021-08-08 17:57:59	ente_	bruh I'm dumb
2021-08-08 18:11:01	DragoonAethis	heftig: Hey, I'd like to request enabling a feature in a package, but it depends on future package versions - would you prefer if I created a bug in FS now, or once it's all available?
2021-08-08 18:11:18	heftig	DragoonAethis: is this about pulseaudio?
2021-08-08 18:11:22	DragoonAethis	Yeeeep
2021-08-08 18:11:27	thrice	lol
2021-08-08 18:11:40	heftig	i'm aware of the bt codec thing. it will be implemented when possible (i maintain both gstreamer and pa)
2021-08-08 18:11:47	DragoonAethis	Okay, thanks!
2021-08-08 18:15:13	jamesp	now how do I update fstab?
2021-08-08 18:15:23	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-08 18:15:35	ugjka	just use pipewire-pulse for bt headsets
2021-08-08 18:15:39	ugjka	works oob
2021-08-08 18:15:57	lambda	jamesp: by opening it with your favourite editor and changing it as desired
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2021-08-08 18:16:50	jamesp	I mean re-generate it
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2021-08-08 18:17:45	lambda	how did you generate it in the first place?
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2021-08-08 18:19:46	jamesp	Look what MacGyver said above about fstab
2021-08-08 18:20:11	jamesp	I don't know, or at least remember
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2021-08-08 18:20:29	MacGyver	And this is why you don't follow youtube videos to install arch.
2021-08-08 18:20:36	MacGyver	Good luck finding that again.
2021-08-08 18:20:43	megumin	genfstab
2021-08-08 18:20:48	lambda	jamesp: is this a fresh install>
2021-08-08 18:20:51	lambda	*?
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2021-08-08 18:21:05	MacGyver	jamesp: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide#Configure_the_system
2021-08-08 18:21:06	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-08 18:21:17	DragoonAethis	ugjka: I've tried it a while ago and had some odd issues like apps being occasionally stuck on trying to play anything, or headset audio being somewhat glitchy - from what I hear it's pretty good now, but I'd rather give it a bit more time
2021-08-08 18:21:40	jamesp	Yes, well, it was yesterday, and I ran into a bootloader issue, so I'm repairing that. Other than that it's fresh.
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2021-08-08 18:22:06	lambda	the installation guide should still be pretty fresh on your mind then...
2021-08-08 18:22:42	jamesp	Can I generate it while chrooted?
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2021-08-08 18:22:50	ugjka	DragoonAethis: I had that issue with PA with headset glitching, changis profiles randomly and what not
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2021-08-08 18:23:45	lambda	jamesp: just run genfstab, look at its output and see if it makes sense
2021-08-08 18:23:57	ugjka	it is missing auto switch to hsp when mic is on though
2021-08-08 18:24:01	lambda	there's really no need to ask us if you can just try yourself
2021-08-08 18:24:31	DragoonAethis	ugjka: AFAIK PW 0.3.33 can do autoswitch - I've had similar issues on PA as well, but I force disabled autoswitching and now it's all decent
2021-08-08 18:24:49	DragoonAethis	(Built-in mic is shite, so I don't care about that much :P)
2021-08-08 18:24:57	jamesp	!rs
2021-08-08 18:24:57	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2021-08-08 18:25:19	ugjka	some bt headsets have mSBC for mic just need to config tat
2021-08-08 18:25:22	ugjka	that
2021-08-08 18:25:47	ugjka	16Khz profile i think
2021-08-08 18:26:13	jamesp	This is what my fstab looks like: https://paste.rs/AIs
2021-08-08 18:26:33	jamesp	stuff looks duplicate. can I edit it/
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2021-08-08 18:31:01	lambda	jamesp: uh, yes you can edit it
2021-08-08 18:31:13	jamesp	I did that
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2021-08-08 18:35:26	thomasb06	would you guys have an up and down scrip to lend me for openvpn?
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2021-08-08 18:40:02	teraflops	openvpn ships with systemd unif files for client and server
2021-08-08 18:40:44	teraflops	I'd also recomend to take a look at wireguard 
2021-08-08 18:41:03	cyphertite	jamesp:  really sad, as in:  only non-readers or those who follow random YT guides are 'relegated' to 'depending on hope'.  Please get a clue!
2021-08-08 18:41:35	jamesp	Now I got a kernel panic! Oh, no!
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2021-08-08 18:42:57	jamesp	it said "end Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)"
2021-08-08 18:43:30	teraflops	that after dealing with fstab?
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2021-08-08 18:43:35	thomasb06	well, in my vpn config, there's an up and down script to provide
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2021-08-08 18:44:04	thomasb06	teraflops: but I'll have a look at wireguard
2021-08-08 18:44:26	teraflops	i mae the switch time ago and I'm very happy
2021-08-08 18:44:38	thomasb06	sold
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2021-08-08 18:44:50	jamesp	Maybe because either the boot partition was in VFAT or (from a thought) because of some UEFI error? Maybe not
2021-08-08 18:44:53	teraflops	made^
2021-08-08 18:45:39	MacGyver	More likely you haven't configured mkinitcpio.conf correctly.
2021-08-08 18:45:49	cyphertite	thomasb06:  also, #wireguard is a thing, here ;p
2021-08-08 18:45:53	MacGyver	Or not configured the boot entry correctly.
2021-08-08 18:45:58	jamesp	hmm MacGyver
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2021-08-08 18:48:18	LambdaComplex	wireguard good
2021-08-08 18:48:19	teraflops	thomasb06: looking at my old openvpn config I cannot find those bits you are talking about
2021-08-08 18:48:33	teraflops	(server config)
2021-08-08 18:49:12	jamesp	The first line in the terminal was "[Firmware Bug]: TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata; please update microcode to version 0x52 (or later)" so it could be microcode
2021-08-08 18:49:37	Namarrgon	jamesp: you either specified no initramfs in the bootloader config or the wrong one
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2021-08-08 19:08:45	thomasb06	teraflops: my vpn gave me a clien.conf file, and at the bottom there's a call to two scripts: up and down. It takes to give the path of the scripts like /etc/somewhere/scriptforup.sh
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2021-08-08 19:09:30	thomasb06	there's an Aur package like resolve-openvpn-?
2021-08-08 19:09:49	thomasb06	but it doesn't work today... a few month ago it was ok
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2021-08-08 19:29:04	jamesp	In my arch.conf, I only have the title, the kernel as efi, and the initrd as initramfs
2021-08-08 19:29:26	thrice	just paste your config file jamesp
2021-08-08 19:29:53	thrice	whenever it's posisble for you to provide the actual content, rather than a summary, do it :>
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2021-08-08 19:30:25	jamesp	!rs
2021-08-08 19:30:25	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
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2021-08-08 19:31:52	jamesp	https://paste.rs/QXo This is /boot/loader/entries/arch.conf
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2021-08-08 19:32:57	thrice	mmm, don't know if it's needed, but I have an options line to point to my root partition
2021-08-08 19:33:05	jamesp	https://paste.rs/BUj This is /boot/loader/loader.conf
2021-08-08 19:34:01	thrice	https://dpaste.com/8JDR4REHM
2021-08-08 19:34:05	thrice	There's mine for reference
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2021-08-08 19:36:19	thrice	at least in your arch.conf, I'm not sure why you have efi vs. "linux" .  And, I'd try adding the options root=PARTUUID=xxx to the end
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2021-08-08 19:38:52	jamesp	Quoting from Arch Wiki: "efi – EFI program to start, relative to your ESP (esp); e.g. /vmlinuz-linux. Either this parameter or linux is required."
2021-08-08 19:39:23	thrice	OK, that's good to know
2021-08-08 19:39:37	jamesp	What's the difference between the EFI parameter and Linux? Arch wiki SAYS it's linuxboot, and I don't have linuxboot
2021-08-08 19:39:59	thrice	I'm not sure :(  linux was in the default file, so I've always used it
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2021-08-08 19:40:15	micah_	hello
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2021-08-08 19:40:43	jamesp	Then I'll try with "linux"
2021-08-08 19:40:59	thrice	add the root= option
2021-08-08 19:41:31	jamesp	So options are required too?
2021-08-08 19:42:25	Hello71	lol
2021-08-08 19:42:51	jamesp	like "options root=dev"? Arch says "you will need at least root=dev if booting Linux."
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2021-08-08 19:43:44	thrice	OK, I'm going to bail again, you've been at this for almost 24 hours
2021-08-08 19:44:13	thrice	I appreciate your persistance, but you should start taking advice
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2021-08-08 19:44:47	Hello71	or carefully read the install guide
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2021-08-08 19:45:09	jamesp	thrice please don't bail. some things are hard for me to understand
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2021-08-08 19:46:03	thrice	I gave you an example, and the wiki says it's required.  Yet you sit here and question
2021-08-08 19:46:20	jamesp	fine.
2021-08-08 19:46:47	zbe	jamesp, you can try adding 'initrd /intel-ucode.img' or amd, whichever you use. (Didnt read whole convo, just saw something about microcode)
2021-08-08 19:46:57	jamesp	*facepalm* sorry thrice
2021-08-08 19:46:58	ahmubashshir	jamesp: 'linux' is for using with vmlinuz-* file
2021-08-08 19:47:40	ahmubashshir	'efi' is for efi executables like shell64.efi/memtest-86.efi/xen.efi
2021-08-08 19:47:52	micah_	Hey guys, will my account be removed if I don't chat for a long time?
2021-08-08 19:48:21	ahmubashshir	I don't think so... if you don't drop your nick.
2021-08-08 19:48:21	jamesp	thanks ahmubashshir
2021-08-08 19:48:41	ahmubashshir	it's my pleasure :3
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2021-08-08 20:02:50	thomasb06	(does any one have a job for me in the us, i'm in france at the moment?)
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2021-08-08 20:58:07	PocketKiller	| <- PUNCH
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2021-08-08 21:02:01	jamesp	lambda why do you have PARTUUID after 'options root='?
2021-08-08 21:02:33	Namarrgon	they use the PARTUUID to identify the root fs
2021-08-08 21:02:46	Namarrgon	you're free to use any of the other options
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2021-08-08 21:03:51	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Persistent_block_device_naming#Persistent_naming_methods
2021-08-08 21:03:52	phrik	Title: Persistent block device naming - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-08 21:35:22	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-08-08 21:35:22	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1249 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1248 normals)
2021-08-08 21:22:25	mittak	i've been using networkmanager for a long time without issue. (possibly unrelated but) after moving the installation to another SSD, nm just won't connect wifi after boot or reconnect on disconnect. 'nmcli connection up <profile>' works instantly, however.
2021-08-08 21:23:31	mittak	i used the wifi kill switch recently, but there are no soft or hard blocks shown.
2021-08-08 21:35:14	thomasb06	moonshine: the job market is hard here...
2021-08-08 21:35:22	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-08 21:36:10	John_Ivan	does wayland have better detection/resolving for synaptics touchpad or is xlibinput still used?
2021-08-08 21:36:43	John_Ivan	I have this monstrous of an issue because my touchpad is a clickpad at the same time.
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2021-08-08 21:41:38	teraflops	wayland uses libinput if that's what you meant
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2021-08-08 21:47:50	Hello71	there's no such thing as xlibinput
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2021-08-08 21:55:14	John_Ivan	Hello71, libinput.
2021-08-08 21:55:20	John_Ivan	teraflops, pity.
2021-08-08 21:56:02	Hello71	what do you mean "clickpad" anyways
2021-08-08 21:56:04	BrainDamage	it becomes xlibinput when it's part of a xyproblem
2021-08-08 21:56:12	teraflops	!grab BrainDamage 
2021-08-08 21:56:12	phrik	teraflops: Tada!
2021-08-08 21:56:35	teraflops	John_Ivan: so what´s the issue?
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2021-08-08 21:57:00	Hello71	afaik virtually all higher-end modern laptops come with clicky touchpads except maybe thinkpads
2021-08-08 21:57:52	John_Ivan	teraflops, hard to explain but, basically, a clickpad is a touchpad without buttons. the buttons are literarily pressing on the edge of the touchpad itself. my issue? well, I can click. I can tap. I can scroll. it's just that, the touchpad is designed to work with me resting my finger on the edge of the touchpad, which would represent the clicking area and use my other finger to move the cursor
2021-08-08 21:57:52	John_Ivan	around.
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2021-08-08 21:58:09	Guest6344	On my fresh install of arch, I've got no sound. As far as I can tell, I've got the correct module loaded for it (snd-hda-intel), but dmesg shows "CORB reset timeout #1", and I cannot figure out what that means at all. Any ideas?
2021-08-08 21:58:26	John_Ivan	the problem is - now, touching that area that's supposed to be for "button", neutralizes the cursor movement. thinking it's me using my two fingers for a horizontal scroll.
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2021-08-08 21:59:34	John_Ivan	I have defined SoftButtonArea and AreaBottomLeft/Top in libinput. I just can't seem to get it to work.
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2021-08-08 21:59:51	John_Ivan	likely because it's just such an annoying and complicated problem.
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2021-08-08 22:00:52	teraflops	it's you putting the finger to rest in the wrong place?
2021-08-08 22:00:54	teraflops	:D
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2021-08-08 22:01:23	John_Ivan	teraflops, more info here - though this didn't help me much - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Touchpad_Synaptics#Buttonless_touchpads_(aka_ClickPads)
2021-08-08 22:01:24	phrik	Title: Touchpad Synaptics - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-08 22:01:25	John_Ivan	teraflops, no
2021-08-08 22:01:38	ℹ 	bubbler es conocido ahora como bubbler_
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2021-08-08 22:01:54	John_Ivan	teraflops, my resting/pressing finger is supposed to not react to tapping or movement or scrolling while my other finger is moving the cursor
2021-08-08 22:02:01	ℹ 	bubbler_ es conocido ahora como bubbler1
2021-08-08 22:02:04	teraflops	ah I see
2021-08-08 22:02:10	ℹ 	bubbler1 es conocido ahora como bubbler2
2021-08-08 22:02:17	ℹ 	bubbler2 es conocido ahora como bubbler3
2021-08-08 22:02:19	John_Ivan	e.g when the resting finger is on top of, what would be the "button" area
2021-08-08 22:02:25	ℹ 	bubbler3 es conocido ahora como bubbler4
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2021-08-08 22:02:46	teraflops	which model (laptop) is this?
2021-08-08 22:03:09	John_Ivan	teraflops, ASUS TUF 505dy
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2021-08-08 22:03:52	ℹ 	bubbler4 es conocido ahora como bubbler
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2021-08-08 22:05:28	moonshine	bubbler: stop
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2021-08-08 22:06:15	teraflops	not in the wiki ;(
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2021-08-08 22:07:13	John_Ivan	teraflops, yeah, I'm having difficulty too. basically, what I think the solution is - is to define BottomArea to ignore it for tapping or movement and treat it as a button, which is what I did manage to do. the problem is, it does react when I'm having my finger doing something else.
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2021-08-08 22:07:29	John_Ivan	which is funny
2021-08-08 22:07:45	John_Ivan	it doesn't react when I do nothing. but if I do already move the cursor with another finger...
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2021-08-08 22:07:58	John_Ivan	it will treat the 2nd finger resting there as a "two finger scroll"
2021-08-08 22:08:05	John_Ivan	it's fucked.
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2021-08-08 22:08:37	teraflops	Guest6344: maybe that CORB message is not a stopper, did you check in alsamixer that there's nothing muted?
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2021-08-08 22:09:35	Guest6344	hey teraflops, it's kind of a unique situation. This is my alsa-info sh output: http://ix.io/3voU
2021-08-08 22:10:12	teraflops	John_Ivan: maybe the touchpad is not well supported yet, did you try to disable the functionalities that are going wrong and set it up as a more firendly less-featureful device?
2021-08-08 22:10:29	teraflops	it's always a uniqe situation :)
2021-08-08 22:10:37	John_Ivan	teraflops, actually, here's the thing. on xfce, this problem doesn't happen.
2021-08-08 22:10:41	Guest6344	basically, this model laptop has an nvidia hdmi output card, and an onboard intel card that should be playing sounds through the laptop speakers. This is "understood" by the system to exist, but, alsa doesn't "install it".
2021-08-08 22:10:45	John_Ivan	this started when I moved to KDE.
2021-08-08 22:11:50	Guest6344	haha, fair statement. I checked the alsa wiki carefully to valide that "snd-hda-intel" is the appropriate module to load for my sound card. And I checked the archwiki's compatability charts for simliiar (but not exactly the same) laptop models. All reported sound working out of the box, so I'm pretty stumped.
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2021-08-08 22:12:16	teraflops	John_Ivan: i do not know anything about plasma but does it ship a dedicated application to deal with touchpad?
2021-08-08 22:12:36	John_Ivan	teraflops, nope. just what's in the settings.
2021-08-08 22:12:50	John_Ivan	and as far as I know, most config is done via 40-libinput.conf
2021-08-08 22:12:54	teraflops	Guest6344: I do not get it, are you saying that you are trying to use a device which is not detected by the OS?
2021-08-08 22:13:08	John_Ivan	on KDE, there seems to be 70-libinput.conf too..
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2021-08-08 22:14:02	teraflops	if that's the case, start by making the system to detect the sound card
2021-08-08 22:14:13	Guest6344	teraflops: close. In my alsa-info.sh pastebin above, you'll see a section called "PCI Soundcards on the system", listing both an intel soundcard and an Nvidia soundcard. Then, another section called "Sound cards recognized by Alsa" you will only see the Nvidia card.
2021-08-08 22:14:20	teraflops	that's nothing to do with alsa at that point
2021-08-08 22:14:46	teraflops	ah okok
2021-08-08 22:14:55	teraflops	I did not read the whole pastebin sorry
2021-08-08 22:15:08	Guest6344	teraflops: lspci -v notes that "snd-hda-intel" is the attempted module to load for it... and I think that's the right one! But sadly, the "card" doesn't respond. It's so weird.
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2021-08-08 22:16:07	Guest6344	teraflops: dmesg gives the play by play of how the card gives that corb timeout, "module fails to initialize" and some other notes. 
2021-08-08 22:16:52	teraflops	is this an optimus laptop?
2021-08-08 22:17:34	Guest6344	teraflops: it is not. it is quite an old "Dell Latitude E6510", so it doesn't fall under the unqiue "Nvidia Optimus" category, nor as far as I can tell the "SOF" firmware
2021-08-08 22:17:45	teraflops	idk what SOF is sorry
2021-08-08 22:17:55	NetSysFire	sof-firmware
2021-08-08 22:18:13	NetSysFire	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture#ALSA_firmware
2021-08-08 22:18:14	phrik	Title: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-08 22:18:31	Guest6344	teraflops: sof-firmware is sort of new fangled module, as I understand it, for laptops made in the 2019+ range
2021-08-08 22:18:47	NetSysFire	"new" is relative
2021-08-08 22:19:15	Guest6344	I've seen a few recent "no sound threads" on the forum, and it appears to be a common suggested response.
2021-08-08 22:19:16	teraflops	how can it be quite old if SOF is 2019+?
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2021-08-08 22:19:50	Guest6344	ah, what I mean to say is, "SOF-firmware", I believe, is targeted at newer laptops
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2021-08-08 22:20:59	Guest6344	Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio << this one is mine, per the Alsa wiki, the proper module is "snd-hda-intel"
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2021-08-08 22:22:06	teraflops	Guest6344: are you sure it`'s not an option in BIOS/FW/SOF or whatever?
2021-08-08 22:22:38	teraflops	because here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Laptop/Dell#Latitude it says that arch works flawless in a very similar model
2021-08-08 22:22:40	phrik	Title: Laptop/Dell - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-08 22:22:50	Guest6344	teraflops: You're referring to an "audio section" in my bios settings where I would enable something like onboard sound vs "Nvidia" sound?
2021-08-08 22:23:06	teraflops	I do not have such laptop
2021-08-08 22:23:10	Guest6344	I did check that yesterday morning, and I could not find any sort of audio setting
2021-08-08 22:23:42	Guest6344	and to your point, I did read that compatability table the other day, and I was surprised to see that most people have out of the box success
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2021-08-08 22:24:21	Guest6344	Just as a sanity check, I booted a live USB of Linux Mint, and Ubuntu, just to see if I would have more luck. And dmesg, even in those distros, also give the "CORB Timeout" error, and have no sound
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2021-08-08 22:26:14	Guest6344	teraflops: You've really got me thinking though, if it somehow disabled in BIOS, that would explain everything.
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2021-08-08 22:26:59	teraflops	I was just wondering
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2021-08-08 22:27:23	teraflops	maybe if you disable the nvidia discrete in BIOS something might change
2021-08-08 22:27:32	Guest6344	teraflops: Here's a point against that though, Before I put arch linux on here a week or two ago, it was running Windows 10... and the sound worked
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2021-08-08 22:27:52	teraflops	windows does a lot of things you are not aware off
2021-08-08 22:28:30	fritz	goodevening! Anyone else who got issues with nvidia-drivers after updating today/yesterday?
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2021-08-08 22:28:52	Guest6344	teraflops: that's a good point. Let me poke around in BIOS for a bit. Rebooting now.
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2021-08-08 22:28:59	teraflops	good luck!
2021-08-08 22:29:12	Guest6344	teraflops: Thanks for the pointers. I really appreciate it.
2021-08-08 22:29:13	teraflops	fritz: no idea, I switched to dkms time ago
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2021-08-08 22:29:32	teraflops	and no, no issues
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2021-08-08 22:59:00	cnsvc	It seems the latest upgrade totally crashed thunderbolt service and all my hardware connected to a dock is useless. Trying to revert an old bolt package and hope that fixes it. Orz
2021-08-08 23:19:18	cnsvc	Downgrading bolt 0.8.3 works. Leave the old packages link here if anyone has the same issues: https://archive.archlinux.org/packages/b/bolt/
2021-08-08 23:19:19	phrik	Title: Index of /packages/b/bolt/ (at archive.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-08 23:37:20	Foxboron	CubeTheThird: what bootloader are you using?
2021-08-08 23:37:26	CubeTheThird	systemd-boot
2021-08-08 23:39:12	ethanv2	does that usually have a boot menu?
2021-08-08 23:39:38	Namarrgon	if you switch back to the udev hook the bootloader menu shows up again?
2021-08-08 23:39:54	CubeTheThird	switching to udev boots fine yes. It's the only change
2021-08-08 23:41:16	Foxboron	CubeTheThird: output of efibootmgr -v please
2021-08-08 23:50:34	CubeTheThird	what provides that command? I don't have it
2021-08-08 23:50:55	Foxboron	efibootmgr
2021-08-08 23:51:48	CubeTheThird	!paste
2021-08-08 23:51:49	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-08 23:52:16	CubeTheThird	!ix
2021-08-08 23:52:17	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2021-08-08 23:52:58	CubeTheThird	http://ix.io/3vpp
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2021-08-09 00:16:08	Namarrgon	CubeTheThird: can you post the entry config?
2021-08-09 00:17:37	CubeTheThird	as in the boot loader entry, or my mkinitcpio.conf ?
2021-08-09 00:17:44	Namarrgon	the former
2021-08-09 00:18:11	susi	do you guys miss the times when this was your init: https://github.com/arachsys/init/blob/master/examples/etc/init
2021-08-09 00:18:40	CubeTheThird	http://ix.io/3vps
2021-08-09 00:18:41	Namarrgon	no, not really
2021-08-09 00:19:49	CubeTheThird	booting hangs when mounting root
2021-08-09 00:21:12	Namarrgon	how long have you waited for it to continue?
2021-08-09 00:21:36	Namarrgon	longer than 90 seconds?
2021-08-09 00:21:58	CubeTheThird	yes. It gives up at that point
2021-08-09 00:22:42	Namarrgon	have you tried the fallback initramfs?
2021-08-09 00:23:40	CubeTheThird	I haven't, but I can test
2021-08-09 00:37:27	CubeTheThird	fallback made no difference. Discovered though that it isn't hanging on root, but on other mount off a separate HDD, such as /home
2021-08-09 00:38:28	Namarrgon	is that still in the initramfs or after the root switch?
2021-08-09 00:38:35	sheep	something in /etc/fstab is probably incorrect
2021-08-09 00:41:38	CubeTheThird	uhh.. not sure. It mounts root, then boot (as per fstab), then hangs with the file systems on my HDD
2021-08-09 00:43:01	jamesp	Did you know? as per seeing the user interface of Red Hat Linux from 2002, systemd originated on Red Hat Linux?
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2021-08-09 00:59:59	randomxusr	sheep, thanks for the info
2021-08-09 01:00:38	jamesp	I'll explain more in a bit, just need to figure out where I left off
2021-08-09 01:00:45	sheep	jamesp: I think systemd-boot can only access files that are on an EFI System partition
2021-08-09 01:05:31	ParsnipChicken	Hi, I have a fairly long question about that is sort of opinion based, should I ask it here?
2021-08-09 01:05:57	ParsnipChicken	about arch
2021-08-09 01:06:29	NetSysFire	!ask
2021-08-09 01:06:30	phrik	Don't ask to ask, if anyone is here or alive, or uses something. Just ask, and we'll get moving along. Thanks.
2021-08-09 01:08:40	jamesp	http://0x0.st/-J-6.JPG this is what I got so far on my arch computer
2021-08-09 01:09:10	sheep	did you use the PARTUUID value or the UUID value in arch.conf? they're not the same
2021-08-09 01:09:15	Namarrgon	your arch.conf is fault, most likely the root= parameter
2021-08-09 01:09:39	jamesp	I used PARTUUID because it was used here: https://dpaste.com/8JDR4REHM
2021-08-09 01:09:43	phrik	Title: dpaste: 8JDR4REHM (at dpaste.com)
2021-08-09 01:10:06	sheep	partuuid should work if you got the correct partuuid value from blkid or lsblk
2021-08-09 01:10:07	Namarrgon	where did you get the PARTUUID for your root fs from?
2021-08-09 01:10:40	jamesp	https://paste.rs/WxJ
2021-08-09 01:10:55	Namarrgon	that is the UUID, not the PARTUUID
2021-08-09 01:11:32	jamesp	will try that Namarrgon
2021-08-09 01:11:47	Namarrgon	did you read the "persistent blockdevice naming" page i linked you to?
2021-08-09 01:12:49	jamesp	Yes. And somehow I thought that UUID and PARTUUID were the same.
2021-08-09 01:13:59	jamesp	wait, maybe PARTUUID would be something like asydP1-swJq-pXzj-EotM-kJTi-aA4I-Dkljl9 for /dev/sda2, whereas UUID would be 153d1a0a-420e-480f-8e61-044e86b8a53e
2021-08-09 01:14:56	Namarrgon	you can't use a PARTUUID in this case since your root-fs is in a lvm LV, not in a partition
2021-08-09 01:15:18	Namarrgon	lsblk -fo +partuuid
2021-08-09 01:15:29	Namarrgon	there's no PARTUUID that corresponds to the LV
2021-08-09 01:15:46	jamesp	good. also, when I boot to the computer, systemd-boot doesn't show a menu at all, it goes straight to the default arch.conf.
2021-08-09 01:16:21	jamesp	When I boot to the Arch ISO, it shows a menu from systemd-boot.
2021-08-09 01:16:23	Namarrgon	do you have any other entry?
2021-08-09 01:17:39	jamesp	I have arch.conf, arch-lts.conf, arch-fallback.conf, and arch-lts-fallback.conf. all installed in /boot/loader/entries. In /boot/loader/loader.conf, arch.conf is the default, which is the only thing it says.
2021-08-09 01:17:51	Namarrgon	arch.conf is not the default
2021-08-09 01:18:04	Namarrgon	and you disabled the timeout
2021-08-09 01:19:20	jamesp	How is it NOT the default? it IS. but yeah I did disable the timeout. Is not having a timeout why I don't get a menu?
2021-08-09 01:19:32	Namarrgon	"default 55dfb75d4de64033be86e5b19ba50aab-*"
2021-08-09 01:19:41	Namarrgon	you ignored everything people were telling you
2021-08-09 01:20:02	jamesp	sorry that was an old document
2021-08-09 01:20:15	jamesp	!rs
2021-08-09 01:20:15	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2021-08-09 01:20:20	Namarrgon	:|
2021-08-09 01:20:59	jamesp	https://paste.rs/lEY
2021-08-09 01:21:20	jamesp	how about now?
2021-08-09 01:21:48	jamesp	I enabled the timeout.
2021-08-09 01:21:59	Namarrgon	did you fix the UUID?
2021-08-09 01:22:12	jamesp	yep. did that too
2021-08-09 01:23:25	Namarrgon	add 'rw' to the options, reboot and see what happens
2021-08-09 01:23:58	jamesp	add rw after the uuid? what does rw do?
2021-08-09 01:24:48	Namarrgon	it tells the system to mount the root fs in read/write mode
2021-08-09 01:25:23	jamesp	so without it it's read only, hence the fails?
2021-08-09 01:25:38	Namarrgon	no, it has nothing to do with this fail
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2021-08-09 01:51:23	jamesp	I was going to install the proprietary drivers anyway, so this will eventually be resolved. (Also, I won't see that issue in a graphical logon screen)
2021-08-09 01:52:53	brocellous	is python virtualenv borked for anyone else?
2021-08-09 01:53:15	brocellous	doesn't seem to be able to create a venv for any python interpreter version other than the system version
2021-08-09 01:55:45	ParsnipChicken	Is the arch install process any different for a machine with coreboot?
2021-08-09 01:56:23	Namarrgon	jamesp: you will see different issues in a graphical environment
2021-08-09 01:56:34	ParsnipChicken	The install guide covers BIOS and UEFI interfaces, but I wasn't sure whether coreboot is a different category.
2021-08-09 01:56:57	jamesp	better install the drivers now!
2021-08-09 02:01:49	Namarrgon	ParsnipChicken: it depends on a bit on the device and which payloads it supports
2021-08-09 02:02:13	Namarrgon	if it's a "regular" seabios then you follow the bios instructions
2021-08-09 02:07:19	ParsnipChicken	Namarrgon: Did a little bit of research on the coreboot wiki, still slightly confused. I think I'll just cross that bridge if I come to it. I was asking because I am considering using Arch on a System76 machine.
2021-08-09 02:10:36	syntaxman	I have installed brave-bin from the AUR, and accidentally clicked to make it the default browser... no big deal.  Except, I can't figure out where it made that setting.  Firefox still thinks it is the default (KDE default apps says it is), but if I click on a link in discord or alacritty, I get brave.
2021-08-09 02:10:46	syntaxman	Any clues for me, please?
2021-08-09 02:10:54	Murray7501	anyone else having trouble with keepassxc segfaulting after starting once closing then starting again, I have to use QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=0 QT_SCALE_FACTOR=1 keepassxc once then I can close and start it without issue
2021-08-09 02:11:49	blinux	Is it surprising that the virtualbox-host-dkms is the default package for installing virtualbox instead of the modules-arch version which is for the mainline? I almost installed the default even though I'm using the normal mainline.
2021-08-09 02:12:12	blinux	I think I also notice a zen kernel being installed sometimes when I do an update, which I believe is a modified kernel I'm not using and don't remember installing.
2021-08-09 02:12:16	Namarrgon	blinux: there is no "default" package
2021-08-09 02:12:35	blinux	It says "providers" for the package.
2021-08-09 02:12:47	blinux	I choose 1 or 2
2021-08-09 02:13:59	blinux	Oh, for virtualbox-host-modules. Whatever type of thing that is.
2021-08-09 02:14:20	Namarrgon	the order of the list doesn't imply any priority
2021-08-09 02:14:53	blinux	No, it said (default=1) so if I just hit return with no choice it will do 1, which is not the mainline kernel.
2021-08-09 02:15:44	blinux	Though, maybe it would work with it I guess. But not needed for the re-compile etc.
2021-08-09 02:16:08	Namarrgon	the metadata of the provides doesn't encode any default
2021-08-09 02:16:40	Namarrgon	if pacman's sorting algorithm changes tomorrow you'll get a different "default"
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2021-08-09 02:17:10	Namarrgon	but yes, in this case it would even make sense to default to the dkms package
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2021-08-09 02:43:21	blinux	Namarrgon: No, I picked the arch one.
2021-08-09 02:45:40	Namarrgon	can you load the module manually?
2021-08-09 02:49:54	blinux	Namarrgon: This has the output: https://pastebin.com/AxZX7ErH
2021-08-09 02:49:54	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-JoX.txt
2021-08-09 02:49:55	phrik	Title: https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/wine-ge-custom#when I run "VAGRANT_DEFAUL - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-09 02:51:55	⚡ 	kevr tickles Namarrgon
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2021-08-09 04:13:34	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1218 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1217 normals)
2021-08-09 04:02:34	Dragoon	How do I make systemd-modules-load run before systemd-cryptsetup?
2021-08-09 04:10:08	MacGyver	Dragoon: What are you actually trying to do?
2021-08-09 04:10:15	Dragoon	boot lol
2021-08-09 04:10:35	Dragoon	So when I type my encryption password it complains and goes into "rescue" mode
2021-08-09 04:10:40	MacGyver	Have you checked whether the hooks in mkinitcpio.conf are in the right order?
2021-08-09 04:10:49	Dragoon	And then I need to press iirc control+d to continue booting
2021-08-09 04:10:56	Dragoon	The thing is
2021-08-09 04:10:58	kevr	o_O
2021-08-09 04:11:03	Dragoon	I use a custom kernel
2021-08-09 04:11:11	kevr	well...
2021-08-09 04:11:13	Dragoon	And with the regular kernel it works
2021-08-09 04:11:21	kevr	find the diff between the kernels?
2021-08-09 04:11:35	kevr	which kernel do you have installed?
2021-08-09 04:11:39	Dragoon	I compared what modules are needed by comparing with my other arch machine which does not use a custom kernel
2021-08-09 04:12:05	Dragoon	from journalctl
2021-08-09 04:12:07	Dragoon	archlinux systemd-cryptsetup[270]: Cannot initialize device-mapper. Is dm_mod kernel module loaded?
2021-08-09 04:12:22	kevr	no, diff the kernel configs
2021-08-09 04:12:52	Dragoon	And then when I continue booting despite its complaints, it loads the required modules (dm_mod), and boots
2021-08-09 04:13:04	kevr	`zcat /proc/config.gz` gives you the configuration of your current kernel
2021-08-09 04:13:15	Dragoon	I know, I configured it myself
2021-08-09 04:13:30	Dragoon	The difference is quite huge, since I disabled almost every driver that I don't use
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2021-08-09 04:13:58	Dragoon	As I see it, mkinitcpio.conf is lying to me
2021-08-09 04:13:58	kevr	again
2021-08-09 04:14:01	kevr	which kernel do you have installed
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2021-08-09 04:36:51	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1220 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1219 normals)
2021-08-09 04:30:58	kevr	there could be issues in the original package that need to be addressed, or it could be that the issue spawned in your modified pkgbuild
2021-08-09 04:31:04	kevr	we need to reduce possibilities here
2021-08-09 04:33:30	kevr	and i don't know how the process of modules-load vs cryptsetup should even make a difference here; you're saying it works fine with the original kernel, that kind of tells me that maybe the process with modules-load and cryptsetup is correct for that setup?
2021-08-09 04:33:46	kevr	the kernel doesn't dictate mkinitcpio configs
2021-08-09 04:34:31	kevr	my theory is that your focus on modules-load and cryptsetup is x/y
2021-08-09 04:35:48	Dragoon	ok let me rephrase, it _shouldn't_ be related to the kernel, as this seems to be an issue with the initramfs
2021-08-09 04:36:04	kevr	Dragoon: if that's the case, then why does the non-custom kernel work fine?
2021-08-09 04:36:31	Dragoon	The only thing I did pin down is that mkinitcpio somehow includes way less drivers in the initramfs and I have to manually specify them in the MODULES config line
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2021-08-09 05:25:41	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1220 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1219 normals)
2021-08-09 04:55:11	Dragoon	I'll look into it
2021-08-09 04:55:15	Dragoon	but still
2021-08-09 04:55:21	Dragoon	the error is straightforward
2021-08-09 04:55:29	Dragoon	dm_mod isn't loaded by the time cryptsetup runs
2021-08-09 04:55:40	kevr	alright bud, good luck
2021-08-09 04:58:00	kevr	Dragoon: CONFIG_FS_ENCRYPTION=y
2021-08-09 04:58:04	kevr	it's missing in your config
2021-08-09 04:58:31	Dragoon	That's per-file encryption
2021-08-09 04:58:58	Dragoon	I will make me some food, about to pass out
2021-08-09 05:00:28	kevr	good luck with it
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2021-08-09 07:05:58	Abrax	oh damn
2021-08-09 07:06:00	Abrax	netsplit
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2021-08-09 07:43:24	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1117 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1116 normals)
2021-08-09 07:43:19	randomxusr	Having issues with my calculator. Thinking it's built into KDE, as I could not locate any standalone calculator packages listed in the repositories. Seems like the last digit is entered into buffer and is used in the next operation.
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2021-08-09 07:45:50	randomxusr	has anyone here experienced issues with calculator in KDE?
2021-08-09 07:46:06	Betal	randomxusr: kcalc?
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2021-08-09 07:47:26	randomxusr	believe yes. Not sure if it's me, the calculator, or my hardware
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2021-08-09 09:02:21	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1165 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1164 normals)
2021-08-09 07:47:51	randomxusr	Betal, if I use 'ac' it properly clears the buffer, but I've not had to do with with any other calculator
2021-08-09 07:50:12	Betal	randomxusr: iam not sure how to reproduce this "problem"
2021-08-09 07:51:39	randomxusr	Betal, try multiplying two numbers. use 'c' to clear and multiply any other two numbers and check with another calculator to see if the result is different?
2021-08-09 07:55:09	Betal	randomxusr: in kcalc: 10, *, 3, =, result in 30, 'c', 2, *, 9, =, result in 18
2021-08-09 07:56:21	randomxusr	What the weird....mine if goofy. example coming up
2021-08-09 07:56:34	Betal	if you only press the operation, it uses the "visor"/"result" number, example: 2, *, =, results in 4; <any number>, /, =, results in 1
2021-08-09 07:58:07	Betal	randomxusr: I think I see your problem
2021-08-09 07:58:45	Betal	h4rd3n3D: it is not kcalc
2021-08-09 08:00:03	Betal	in "KDE calculator": 10, *, 3, =, result in 30, 'c', 2, *, 9, =, result in 270
2021-08-09 08:00:13	randomxusr	so, it's only happening when I use floating point numbers. example 1.15 * 64 = 73.6, same calculation again and I get 4710.4
2021-08-09 08:00:36	randomxusr	it's driving me a bit insane.
2021-08-09 08:01:06	Betal	looks it is "/usr/bin/plasmawindowed org.kde.plasma.calculator"
2021-08-09 08:07:49	randomxusr	Betal, Is this a bug to be filed with KDE folks then?
2021-08-09 08:13:12	Betal	randomxusr: probably, looks it ignores the first number after 'c', 73.6*64=4710.4
2021-08-09 08:14:03	randomxusr	right. What a pain. Any suggestions for another calculator?  Oh, and any chance you're on AMD hardware?
2021-08-09 08:14:37	randomxusr	I doubt it's a hardware bug, but wondering
2021-08-09 08:17:37	Betal	randomxusr: try kcalc
2021-08-09 08:17:49	Dragoon	speedcrunch
2021-08-09 08:19:07	alad	python, lol
2021-08-09 08:21:38	randomxusr	Betal, kcalc is working great. thanks.  What command did you run against /usr/bin/plasmawindowed to determine the calculator? Thinking there's a new one for me to learn
2021-08-09 08:22:11	randomxusr	Dragoon, I'm considering speedcrunch. May try it out
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2021-08-09 18:30:59	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1242 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1241 normals)
2021-08-09 10:19:50	daex	What am I supposed to do in this situation?
2021-08-09 10:19:59	NetSysFire	!alarm
2021-08-09 10:20:00	phrik	If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
2021-08-09 10:20:06	daex	Oh, thanks.p
2021-08-09 10:40:56	evilop	daex: its a different distro
2021-08-09 10:49:26	Fidelix	h4rd3n3D: kcalc
2021-08-09 10:51:43	NetSysFire	them not calling it kalculator is wasted potential
2021-08-09 10:53:12	mittak	i've been using networkmanager for a long time without issue. (possibly unrelated but) after moving my arch installation to another SSD, nm just won't connect wifi after boot or reconnect on disconnect. 'nmcli connection up <profile>' works instantly, however.
2021-08-09 10:54:20	evilop	read the log
2021-08-09 10:54:37	Fidelix	Can someone please help? The ps5 controller doesn't work properly in Arch, either in proton games or native games. Steam recognises it perfectly in big picture, and calibrating it all buttons work, but not in-game
2021-08-09 10:55:07	zeraphel	how difficult would it be to get sshd sending alerts via notify-send
2021-08-09 10:55:59	NetSysFire	what do you mean by "sending alerts"?
2021-08-09 10:56:08	NetSysFire	when a login fails? or something else?
2021-08-09 10:57:07	zeraphel	login fails, attempts, all the goodies
2021-08-09 10:57:23	zeraphel	or any of them.
2021-08-09 10:57:32	NetSysFire	i would probably just parse journalctl -f -u sshd with a script
2021-08-09 10:57:57	demize	Would probably be a lot of changes to get it in sshd.  A more sensible approach would be a PAM module, but...
2021-08-09 10:58:23	NetSysFire	theres also fail2ban but that also just parses the logs
2021-08-09 11:01:30	jmcantrell	pacman's man page says -s takes a regec, but pacman -Qs '^virtualbox-host-modules$' returns virtualbox-host-modules-arch . what am i missing?
2021-08-09 11:01:39	jmcantrell	*regex
2021-08-09 11:02:50	agregory	it searches provides
2021-08-09 11:05:33	jmcantrell	oh! thanks
2021-08-09 11:08:12	jmcantrell	sort of related, if package A is a replacement for package B, is there a better way to replace B with A without prompting than to remove B before installing A?
2021-08-09 11:08:51	cyphertite	jmcantrell:  yep, your same ^search returns 'local/virtualbox-host-dkms 6.1.26-1' here
2021-08-09 11:09:40	jmcantrell	cyphertite: interesting. why is that?
2021-08-09 11:10:11	jmcantrell	the same reason agregory gave?
2021-08-09 11:10:25	arojas	h4rd3n3D: I assume they mean the calculator plasmoid, from kdeplasma-addons. And I can confirm the issue btw
2021-08-09 11:10:31	cyphertite	yes, and because I run VBox-dkms
2021-08-09 11:12:08	cyphertite	arojas:  interesting, and Betal, another confirmation 
2021-08-09 11:23:36	jmcantrell	in a systemd service file, why would there be two ExecStart lines, one that's empty just before the actual command?
2021-08-09 11:24:28	jmcantrell	like this: https://paste.rs/MF9
2021-08-09 11:24:43	Namarrgon	that's how you reset the original ExecStart from the original unit
2021-08-09 11:25:05	sheep	that's mainly relevant when using a drop-in thing to override an existing unit
2021-08-09 11:25:31	Namarrgon	otherwise the parser might think that you want to only extend the ExecStart of the unit you override
2021-08-09 11:25:44	WhyNotHugo	I'm using an image from arch-boxes on a hetzner VM, but can't log in. Readme says the password is "arch", but that won't work. Any ideas what might be wrong? I'm basically following the wiki instructions.
2021-08-09 11:26:25	jmcantrell	extend it? by appending?
2021-08-09 11:26:38	dvzrv	WhyNotHugo: not super sure, but #archlinux-releng might also be a good place to ask :)
2021-08-09 11:26:46	Namarrgon	jmcantrell: yes
2021-08-09 11:26:54	jmcantrell	ok, thanks
2021-08-09 11:27:06	WhyNotHugo	dvzrv: I'll give that a try, thanks.
2021-08-09 11:27:23	Namarrgon	jmcantrell: appending in the sense that units can have multiple ExecStart lines, not appening to the existing ExecStart
2021-08-09 11:28:08	jmcantrell	Namarrgon: ah, good to know. that makes more sense than what i was thinking
2021-08-09 11:31:23	zeraphel	NetSysFire: demize:  any opinions on pam_exec module? 
2021-08-09 11:31:42	zeraphel	I'm considering a mixed bash/pam approach based on - http://blog.th-neumeier.de/2011/02/send-email-on-ssh-login-using-pam/
2021-08-09 11:31:44	phrik	Title: Send email on SSH login using PAM | Yeah! (at blog.th-neumeier.de)
2021-08-09 11:34:50	Fidelix	What would be the best place to get help with my controller not working in any games (Except steam itself)?
2021-08-09 11:42:49	audeoudh	On Arch Wiki, Wake-on-LAN page suggests using ngrep to check reception of magic packets.  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wake-on-LAN#Using_ngrep
2021-08-09 11:42:50	phrik	Title: Wake-on-LAN - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-09 11:42:52	audeoudh	The suggested command is "ngrep '\xff{6}(.{6})\1{15}' -x port 9".  It did not works for me: I got "1 received, 0 matched" and no packet dump printed.
2021-08-09 11:43:59	audeoudh	ngrep -x "$(echo -e '\xff')" -x port 9
2021-08-09 11:43:59	audeoudh	works—but ugly, isn't it?
2021-08-09 11:44:54	Betal	h4rd3n3D: if you have full kde plasma, just open "Calculator" in menu, it is not kcalc
2021-08-09 11:45:49	arojas	h4rd3n3D: plasmawindowed org.kde.plasma.calculator
2021-08-09 11:54:24	docmax	how can i start wayland (sway) over the ssh terminal?
2021-08-09 11:57:20	suppl3	the same way you start it on the actual PC?
2021-08-09 11:57:59	jonathon	Has anyone played with an Arch qcow2 image on Oracle Cloud? I have a uploaded the 202010801 cloudinit image and generating an instance works fine, but if I try to use "In-transit encryption" the VNIC is logging a load of dropped ingress packets. Same image without "In-transit encryption" works fine, and their platform images work fine generally (as you'd expect). I'm wondering whether this is
2021-08-09 11:57:59	jonathon	something I can "fix" in the custom image settings, or whether 
2021-08-09 11:57:59	jonathon	it's just Oracle cloud and there's no way of using encryption with a custom image... :/
2021-08-09 13:07:44	artefact	anyone here experiencing massive read starvation when flushing dirty/writeback pages to disk? is there any workaround other than lowering dirty_bytes?
2021-08-09 13:20:40	wasamasa	hello
2021-08-09 13:21:08	wasamasa	I've installed glxinfo today and think I've come closer to figuring out why qutebrowser and chromium are failing on me with GLSL compilation errors
2021-08-09 13:21:28	wasamasa	http://ix.io/3vrZ
2021-08-09 13:21:42	wasamasa	mesa gives me opengl 4.5, but the intel driver glsl 4.20
2021-08-09 13:21:53	wasamasa	and chromium assumes it can use glsl 4.50 and fails
2021-08-09 13:22:12	wasamasa	what's the preferred way of fixing this?
2021-08-09 13:22:29	wasamasa	just lying about the opengl version, using llvmpipe or something else?
2021-08-09 13:23:36	Namarrgon	does overriding the gl verion fix the issue?
2021-08-09 13:23:41	Namarrgon	*version
2021-08-09 13:24:35	wasamasa	yeah, it makes applications like signal-desktop boot
2021-08-09 13:26:23	wasamasa	oh
2021-08-09 13:26:34	wasamasa	I realized I've put an override in my zprofile before
2021-08-09 13:26:35	wasamasa	argh
2021-08-09 13:27:26	wasamasa	self-inflicted bugs are the best
2021-08-09 13:28:06	dav1d	this sounds like a chromium bug, GL is a bit weird in this regard and the versions can mismatch
2021-08-09 13:52:57	wasamasa	yup, removing that override fixed it
2021-08-09 13:56:14	hendry	the difference between google-chrome and chromium is that chromium doesn't sync your passwords, right?
2021-08-09 14:00:39	aminvakil	hendry: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/refs/heads/main/docs/chromium_browser_vs_google_chrome.md taken from https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Chromium
2021-08-09 14:00:40	phrik	Title: The Difference between Google Chrome and Chromium on Linux (at chromium.googlesource.com)
2021-08-09 14:32:17	frojnd	I get error: chrono-date: signature from "Brett Cornwall <brett@i--b.com>" is unknown trust :: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/chrono-date-3.0.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)). I tried with sudo pacman-key --refresh-keys but I still get this message
2021-08-09 14:32:24	usrnamewastaken	I'm having an issue, I have  2 kworker pids that are taking 99% of 2 cpu cores continuously. for no reason taht I Can think of. Any ideas?
2021-08-09 14:33:27	frojnd	w00t archlinux-keyring was not installed?
2021-08-09 14:34:43	Tom^	usrnamewastaken: sudo perf record -g -a sleep 10 , sudo perf report
2021-08-09 14:36:54	Tom^	brb kernel upgrade.
2021-08-09 14:36:59	usrnamewastaken	Tom^: https://paste.centos.org/view/358a24ef
2021-08-09 14:37:02	phrik	Title: Untitled - Pastebin Service (at paste.centos.org)
2021-08-09 14:38:52	hashworks	So I'm having this situation that I'm don't always have audio devices connected (since they are turned off). Using pipewire-pulseaudio this leads to the problem that when some applications start without an audio output device, they don't pick one up later until I restart those applications. Same problem seems to occour when I take away all audio devices for a while when they are already running.
2021-08-09 14:38:54	hashworks	So I was thinking about adding a permanent audio output dummy – any idea how to do that? Thing is, searching for that only leads to forum threads like "my PA only shows a dummy device and nothing else" :D
2021-08-09 14:41:06	hashworks	Hm, it also seems like in pre-pipewire PA did use a dummy output when no devices are available.
2021-08-09 14:44:50	hashworks	That seems to do it, although I'm not sure if it's permanent https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/wikis/Virtual-Devices#create-a-sink
2021-08-09 14:44:53	phrik	Title: Virtual devices · Wiki · PipeWire / pipewire · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2021-08-09 14:45:16	Tom^	usrnamewastaken: seems to spend time in xhci and usb , either kernel bug, broken hw, wonky hw, that might or might not be "fixed" with just disabling it. boot with usbcore.autosuspend=-1 
2021-08-09 14:51:12	usrnamewastaken	Tom^: I rebooted once, found that it said "USB1-port4 is overcurrent" seems like a bios bug, hw is fine, just shut down, pulled battery, discharged caps, plugged back in, its fine now.
2021-08-09 14:53:45	mbuf	Any suggestions on a 15.6" laptop/convertible to run Arch for video conferencing?
2021-08-09 14:54:10	usrnamewastaken	Sadly, I find touch screens still to be annoying in linux :)
2021-08-09 14:55:01	tzlil	hello, i just installed artix linux on my Lenovo V14-IIL yesterday and am currently using swaywm, but whenever i move/touch the touchpad the entire system lags, it causes chromium cpu usage to jump to 100% and on other programs like kitty or pavucontrol, it happens on i3wm as well, at first i thought it was the xf86-input-synaptics package so i
2021-08-09 14:55:01	tzlil	removed it and it seemed to alleviate some of the lag, but its come back after a restart, anyone know whats happening? (this is a more general issue so i thought id ask in the arch channel rather than artix)
2021-08-09 14:55:38	nepexoga	artix is the best linux. but its not arch unfortunately
2021-08-09 14:56:07	tzlil	yes, well, theres more people here so i thought id give it a shot
2021-08-09 14:57:22	usrnamewastaken	theres more people here for a reason.
2021-08-09 14:57:25	mbuf	usrnamewastaken, I see
2021-08-09 15:06:24	tzlil	i looked in dmesg but i didnt see anything related to touchpads
2021-08-09 15:06:52	NetSysFire	!notarch
2021-08-09 15:06:53	phrik	This channel is for Arch Linux support only. Also see https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/service-agreements/-/blob/master/code-of-conduct.md#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2021-08-09 15:07:42	tzlil	okay
2021-08-09 15:22:19	spagoote	hi guys! i installed arch via the new archinstaller script. very basic setup with systemd-boot. i do have the new boot entry in bios but i cant find a way to actually boot into the system. i get fail to initialize ptp_kvm no matter how i set things up in BIOS. any ideas?
2021-08-09 15:23:56	spagoote	i did a bios reset before installing and also set secure boot off, ahci mode and so on
2021-08-09 15:26:53	Edu4rdSHL	spagoote, what's the error exactly?
2021-08-09 15:27:41	Edu4rdSHL	Also, that should be a warning only and not a fatal error
2021-08-09 15:28:08	spagoote	having kb layout issues, sorry. thats the error: fail to initilize ptp_kvm
2021-08-09 15:28:19	spagoote	stuck there
2021-08-09 15:31:36	spagoote	i did have a lot of previous boot entries in bios that i deleted...kinda seems like one still stuck there, possibly clear linux, and its using that to try to boot. im guessing this because the font is different than what id expect from arch
2021-08-09 15:32:14	Edu4rdSHL	Mmmm, can you try adding systemd.log_level=debug to kernel parameters and see what other info do you have?
2021-08-09 15:32:38	spagoote	sure, have to mount and chroot. brb
2021-08-09 15:33:25	Edu4rdSHL	mmm, you can edit them from systemd-boot screen
2021-08-09 15:33:50	Edu4rdSHL	Unless you have disable the editor
2021-08-09 15:33:50	spagoote	i never get that far, this i
2021-08-09 15:34:07	spagoote	s right after the dell splash screen
2021-08-09 15:34:47	Edu4rdSHL	If you can't boot into the new system then how do you see the "fail to initilize ptp_kvm" error?
2021-08-09 15:35:29	spagoote	dunno man
2021-08-09 15:36:42	spagoote	must be some setting in bios, i should have everything all set. uefi and so on
2021-08-09 15:38:57	spagoote	https://ibb.co/8cSHgC3
2021-08-09 15:38:58	phrik	Title: IMG-20210809-163759309 — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2021-08-09 15:41:06	spagoote	legacy option roms disabled...
2021-08-09 15:46:56	spagoote	does the font look right to you? https://ibb.co/2hxg7qF
2021-08-09 15:46:57	phrik	Title: IMG-20210809-164538978-1 — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2021-08-09 15:57:28	spagoote	ok so...i booted the install media and mounted boot. there's org.clearlinux in the EFI directory
2021-08-09 15:58:10	spagoote	dont know how that's even possible since i reset bios before installing
2021-08-09 15:58:41	spagoote	can i just rm -rf that dir?
2021-08-09 15:58:58	jkc	BIOS reset doesn't affect the contents of filesystems.
2021-08-09 16:00:05	spagoote	but how did it find it's way there, complete reinstall after all?
2021-08-09 16:00:29	gloomy	Hey :) Tried doing what this answer https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/358332/311224 says to allow my user to set a niceness of -19 on new processes, but it's not working. When it says "logout and back in" for it to take effect, for a ssh session that just means disconnecting and reconnecting, right? 
2021-08-09 16:00:30	phrik	Title: priority - How do I start a process with a nice value of -20 and not give it root privilege? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2021-08-09 16:02:51	spagoote	the drive doesn't actually get wiped when selecting the option to do a fresh install (removing the old partitions)?
2021-08-09 16:02:53	gloomy	sorry if I'm slightly offtopic, not sure where else to ask. #linux is too busy with a distro war >_>
2021-08-09 16:09:53	spagoote	guess the install script doesn't create a new gpt partition table or something...
2021-08-09 17:14:16	dD__	Hi, my laptop is draining when i set it to sleep.  The battery was changed recently, and it was draining with both the old battery and the new battery.  When I turn it back on, it's always at critical level, so I'm imagining it drains until it auto hybernates.  What could the problem be? It's a dell 5540, with Arch + KDE
2021-08-09 17:16:17	NetSysFire	when did this start happening?
2021-08-09 17:16:27	NetSysFire	did you check if any other users have this problem with this specific device?
2021-08-09 17:16:41	NoImNotNineVolt	"when i installed arch" :P
2021-08-09 17:16:49	NoImNotNineVolt	j/k, but srsly :P
2021-08-09 17:20:10	jimmy399	NoImNotNineVolt :D funny :D
2021-08-09 17:27:10	avenita	i mean, my Latitude 7214 takes like 3 days to drain the battery during sleep 
2021-08-09 17:28:54	avenita	the fact that the computer is asleep doesnt mean its not using power tho.
2021-08-09 17:31:27	denisse	Is anyone using Arch with a Framework laptop? How has your experience been so far?
2021-08-09 17:31:37	kpcyrd	I think Foxboron is :)
2021-08-09 17:32:03	denisse	kpcyrd: Awesome! I hope he can tell us how good it is. :D
2021-08-09 17:32:06	Foxboron	sap
2021-08-09 17:32:13	denisse	I love the concept of the Framework laptop hehe.
2021-08-09 17:32:22	Foxboron	denisse: It's fine. Been working on the wiki page
2021-08-09 17:32:53	Foxboron	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/User:Foxboron/Framework
2021-08-09 17:32:54	phrik	Title: User:Foxboron/Framework - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-09 17:33:07	denisse	Foxboron: Thank you! <3
2021-08-09 17:33:19	Foxboron	People are editing it under my nose :O
2021-08-09 17:34:53	denisse	I love that you can remove Windows 10 from the list and save 139 USD.
2021-08-09 17:35:10	demonicm1niac	if only it wasn't intel and not loud and had a trackpoint :/
2021-08-09 17:35:11	kpcyrd	oh wow, I didn't know about https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Category:Laptops :o amazing
2021-08-09 17:35:12	phrik	Title: Category:Laptops - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-09 17:35:26	Foxboron	I'm not super confident I'd pick the framework over a thinkpad T14s with AMD frankly
2021-08-09 17:35:33	Foxboron	Reminds me, need to check thunderbolt dock suppoer
2021-08-09 17:35:48	denisse	demonicm1niac: Yeah, I'd preffer it if it had an AMD CPU.
2021-08-09 17:35:59	demonicm1niac	fan noise is probably directly related to the intel cpu
2021-08-09 17:36:44	demonicm1niac	70w peak requires more cooling than 40w peak :D
2021-08-09 17:38:36	nahtjona	I'm having trouble upgrading a package, it throws 'error: spdlog: signature from "Brett Cornwall <brett@i--b.com>" is unknown trust'
2021-08-09 17:38:59	Foxboron	nahtjona: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring
2021-08-09 17:39:55	nahtjona	thank you!
2021-08-09 17:41:21	denisse	I think I'll wait to see if Framework offers an AMD version...
2021-08-09 17:43:28	⚡ 	evilop is tempted to get a new laptop now, but is trying to hold out for zen4
2021-08-09 17:43:46	evilop	and rdna gfx instead of vega
2021-08-09 17:44:19	predicament	yeah hold out.
2021-08-09 17:44:25	predicament	then zen3 is cheap
2021-08-09 17:44:27	demonicm1niac	evilop: preorder a steam deck now - then you get both sort of
2021-08-09 17:44:32	evilop	yoga slim 7 is really tempting though
2021-08-09 17:44:34	demonicm1niac	at least rdna2 and end of next year
2021-08-09 17:44:40	demonicm1niac	:D
2021-08-09 17:44:46	HuntsMan	I am waiting for AMD laptops with TB4
2021-08-09 17:44:53	evilop	demonicm1niac: I doubt that valve will sell one to me in the next two years, if ever
2021-08-09 17:44:53	Foxboron	evilop: steam deck!
2021-08-09 17:44:59	evilop	demonicm1niac: just like the steam controller
2021-08-09 17:45:06	avenita	i like mine, its pretty silent and the fan only turns on if the temps go past 70 which takes like 5 hours on load 
2021-08-09 17:45:11	evilop	it never became available in norway
2021-08-09 17:45:12	demonicm1niac	says q3 2022 currently
2021-08-09 17:45:15	avenita	ofc the entire bottom is a heatsink
2021-08-09 17:45:34	demonicm1niac	HuntsMan: they aren't getting tb4. they're getting usb4 which will be compatible with tb3 in theory
2021-08-09 17:45:39	demonicm1niac	only not really because there's no parts
2021-08-09 17:45:56	demonicm1niac	intel is shipping all their new laptops without usb4 because no chips
2021-08-09 17:45:59	HuntsMan	demonicm1niac: AFAIK its the same
2021-08-09 17:46:05	demonicm1niac	and there's no telling when they will come out
2021-08-09 17:46:11	evilop	google is just as bad, no pixel phones for norwegians
2021-08-09 17:46:12	demonicm1niac	or rather be back in stock available
2021-08-09 17:46:14	evilop	:/
2021-08-09 17:46:48	demonicm1niac	HuntsMan: nope
2021-08-09 17:46:55	demonicm1niac	usb4 has OPTIONAL compatibility with tb3
2021-08-09 17:47:03	demonicm1niac	it's all just another huge clusterfuck
2021-08-09 17:48:15	HuntsMan	ah yeah true
2021-08-09 17:49:30	HuntsMan	there are AMD motherboards with TB4
2021-08-09 17:49:30	demonicm1niac	usb4 only mandates support of 10gbps usb 3.2
2021-08-09 17:49:50	demonicm1niac	so slower than most current usb 3.2 controllers :D
2021-08-09 17:49:54	jonathon	-.-
2021-08-09 17:50:43	demonicm1niac	even dp and usb-c alternate modes are optional
2021-08-09 17:51:08	evilop	woudln't make sense to mandate them for a lot of use cases
2021-08-09 17:51:26	chazy	is it possible to run gui apps in wayland like xorg? or should i just `su unpriviledgeduser` and just run it?
2021-08-09 17:51:35	raster	evilop: 5 I=4 10 well you can wait for "zen";I 20 I = I + 1 30 but then people will be talking about "zen";I just around the corner.. so wait for "zen";I 30 goto 10
2021-08-09 17:51:40	demonicm1niac	evilop they ideal solution would be to make mandatory based on device class
2021-08-09 17:51:41	evilop	chazy: uhm what?
2021-08-09 17:51:59	chazy	evilop: i mean, as another user instead of the logged one
2021-08-09 17:52:20	evilop	chazy: compositor dependent
2021-08-09 17:52:38	raster	chazy: you mean is it possble to run root apps in a regular wayland session for a user?
2021-08-09 17:52:44	raster	eg sudo app
2021-08-09 17:52:45	raster	?
2021-08-09 17:52:50	evilop	in general it works
2021-08-09 17:53:17	chazy	no, run a normal app but as another unprivileged user, it's a closed source blob and i don't want it to snoop around my personal files
2021-08-09 17:53:55	raster	chazy: ooooh ... no - as that iother user will need to be able to open the wayland socket. that won't be possible.
2021-08-09 17:54:23	evilop	chazy: what is the use case btw?
2021-08-09 17:54:31	raster	well you can use groups and have the other user be in the same group and the wy socket will have to be group writable...
2021-08-09 17:54:35	evilop	chazy: look at firejail etc
2021-08-09 17:54:38	raster	but it probably won't be.
2021-08-09 17:54:45	greyltc	anyone know why python-wxpython from Community is stuck at such an old version?
2021-08-09 17:55:02	greyltc	just lack of person-power or is there another reason?
2021-08-09 17:56:49	evilop	there was some breakage witn 4.1 but I can't remember the details
2021-08-09 17:57:26	⚡ 	evilop wish the ml had a usable search functionality
2021-08-09 17:57:36	greyltc	evilop: maybe related to kicad?
2021-08-09 17:57:49	evilop	you can always bump it yourself and find out :)
2021-08-09 17:58:42	greyltc	yeah, just curious to know what I'm getting into before i get into it (:
2021-08-09 17:59:51	greyltc	project I'm trying to use needs latest stable so the small version number in Community has just hit me
2021-08-09 18:00:15	evilop	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/commit/6237ed8e1f0fed65fafcbcf0d5e7a763135e073e#diff-3e341d2d9c67be01819b25b25d5e53ea3cdf3a38d28846cda85a195eb9b7203a
2021-08-09 18:00:37	evilop	so indeed kicad
2021-08-09 18:00:42	chazy	is it possible to change the umask for a user so that every other user has rwx permissions to the home folder?
2021-08-09 18:01:09	evilop	chazy: why?
2021-08-09 18:01:14	evilop	chazy: and really, firejail
2021-08-09 18:01:40	chazy	yes i'm gonna use firejail but i wanna see the files when i'm not using any app with that user
2021-08-09 18:02:42	chazy	instead of having to run chmod as root every time
2021-08-09 18:04:06	evilop	shared group is an easy way
2021-08-09 18:08:00	raster	well technically you could write your own wl launcher setuid shim
2021-08-09 18:08:21	raster	it would opent he socketn and connect as "you"
2021-08-09 18:08:59	raster	then it'd setuid to the other user and set $WAYLAND_SOCKET to the fd that it opened and keep that fd alive and exec the target binary...
2021-08-09 18:09:31	raster	it'd have to then duplicate what sudo does in terms of permission to setuid to another uid...
2021-08-09 18:09:57	raster	but then you'd basically only pass in ther wl display socket but otherwise keep the target binary isolated.
2021-08-09 18:14:50	AmR	Hi
2021-08-09 18:15:09	NetSysFire	!welcomerpg
2021-08-09 18:15:10	phrik	Greetings, observer of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get destroyed today?
2021-08-09 18:15:24	AmR	How I can Edit edit kde -> system setting -> display configuration -> Resolution list ?
2021-08-09 18:16:09	greyltc	AmR: I believe that's read from the edid info your display returns
2021-08-09 18:18:27	greyltc	I guess your goal is to run a res that's not listed there? What makes you think your display can do that?
2021-08-09 18:20:12	Edu4rdSHL	If it should be supported and is not there then it's a drivers issue maybe
2021-08-09 18:20:57	Edu4rdSHL	A workaround is to use xrandr to add a new mode and then switch the resolution using it.
2021-08-09 18:26:41	docmax	would it be possible to mount a qcow2 image at boot and boot it with grub2 or whatever?
2021-08-09 18:27:29	Betal	as "real machine", or running as VM in fullscreen
2021-08-09 18:27:33	jonathon	it's possible to boot an iso image, so it should be possible to boot a disk image
2021-08-09 18:27:47	docmax	as real machine
2021-08-09 18:28:31	docmax	the closest i could find is https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/db8e6z/question_on_booting_direct_to_qcow2/
2021-08-09 18:28:58	docmax	but i dont know how to set this up :-(
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2021-08-09 18:32:16	chazy	does anyone use unity3d in wayland? i read it supports it but i can't run it in sway, it prints the cannot open display error message
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2021-08-09 18:34:20	jonathon	docmax:  maybe something like https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Multiboot_USB_drive#Boot_entries , e.g. https://superuser.com/questions/412028/booting-an-ext4-image-file-from-grub2 ? probably depends on the image format (e.g. a raw image should work fine)
2021-08-09 18:34:21	phrik	Title: Multiboot USB drive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-09 18:36:18	acidtripper	for the ones concerned about xhci-pci, renesas and some webcams not working with latest kernel
2021-08-09 18:36:21	acidtripper	there are some steps to do. 
2021-08-09 18:36:49	acidtripper	first of all patch kernel with following reversion
2021-08-09 18:36:50	acidtripper	https://lore.kernel.org/linux-usb/20210719070519.41114-1-mdf@kernel.org/T/
2021-08-09 18:36:52	phrik	Title: [PATCH] Revert "usb: renesas-xhci: Fix handling of unknown ROM state" (at lore.kernel.org)
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2021-08-09 18:49:51	Namarrgon	acidtripper: wasn't that already reverted upstream? which kernel are you patching?
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2021-08-09 18:51:38	acidtripper	its reverted but not working 
2021-08-09 18:52:12	Namarrgon	5.13.6 reverted the renesas firmware issue
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2021-08-09 18:52:26	acidtripper	so i reverted that patch, to be clear what has been taken out (-) i added, and added (+) i have taken out from code
2021-08-09 18:52:43	acidtripper	besided revertion... its not working
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2021-08-09 18:52:53	acidtripper	not picking firmware, neither usb device
2021-08-09 18:52:53	Namarrgon	which version of the kernel did you revert it in?
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2021-08-09 18:53:07	acidtripper	5.12.5 in these case
2021-08-09 18:53:12	acidtripper	but should be the same with latest
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2021-08-09 18:53:40	Namarrgon	you're still on the 5.12 branch?
2021-08-09 18:53:53	Namarrgon	it was never broken there
2021-08-09 18:54:00	acidtripper	no, just because of this isses. i have read around that 5.12 wasnt hit
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2021-08-09 18:54:12	acidtripper	mmm, code is there 
2021-08-09 18:54:19	Namarrgon	did you test the versions >5.13.5 ?
2021-08-09 18:54:21	acidtripper	let me show you the diff and how it ended
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2021-08-09 18:54:31	acidtripper	yes of course namarrgon
2021-08-09 18:54:37	Namarrgon	which one?
2021-08-09 18:54:50	acidtripper	5.13.8
2021-08-09 18:54:52	acidtripper	5.13.6
2021-08-09 18:54:53	acidtripper	also
2021-08-09 18:56:17	acidtripper	this is how it end up
2021-08-09 18:56:18	acidtripper	https://pastebin.com/vfWcV85i
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2021-08-09 18:56:19	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-JZb.txt
2021-08-09 18:56:19	phrik	Title: diff_renesas - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2021-08-09 18:57:20	PocketKiller	!paste
2021-08-09 18:57:20	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-09 18:59:50	BrainDamage	is there a tool that extracts urls from .desktop links? I would like to parse links I get by drag and dropping urls to a folder
2021-08-09 19:00:05	acidtripper	Okey, next time will be ix... some time ago was only pastebin
2021-08-09 19:00:11	acidtripper	Namarrgon, 
2021-08-09 19:00:17	Namarrgon	it was never pastebin.com
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2021-08-09 19:01:08	ℹ 	bhava1 es conocido ahora como bhava
2021-08-09 19:01:39	Hello71	pastebin.com is basically for posting data leaks, spam, and... i think that's basically it?
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2021-08-09 19:02:12	PocketKiller	Hello, my `sensors` command is showing almost all temperatures and info except for my CPU temperature. https://paste.rs/iRD - I have the out-of-the-box driver (nct6798) and I have set the kernel parameter "acpi_enforce_resources" to "lax". `sensors-detect` shows something about AMD Family chipset (k10temp module is loaded). Any ideas?
2021-08-09 19:02:42	PocketKiller	I have a Ryzen 7 3700X installed on an ASUS ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING (WIFI)
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2021-08-09 19:03:16	PocketKiller	I've googled a lot to know that ASUS B450 chips need a different wmi driver, but I've tried that and it does not work for my B550.
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2021-08-09 19:04:15	PocketKiller	sensors-detect: https://paste.rs/wiC
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2021-08-09 19:06:23	PocketKiller	FYI: "CPUTIN" is the temp of the CPU package, not CPU cores
2021-08-09 19:07:56	acidtripper	Namarrgon, i think like 8 years ago it was only pastebin
2021-08-09 19:08:16	acidtripper	but i sticked you because of renesas, not to discuss about paste tools
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2021-08-09 19:10:31	artefact	i am using zram, any idea why the swap used from $(free -m) does not coincide with zramctl data usage? (i have no other swaps)
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2021-08-09 19:12:30	kieto	If audit is complaining about /var/log/audit filesystem being 755 and package 700, I should just chmod 700 it and forget about it, right?
2021-08-09 19:12:39	kieto	it's an empty dir
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2021-08-09 19:14:56	docmax	jonathon, is not so easy like iso or raw... i needs some software like qemu-nbd
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2021-08-09 19:16:15	Betal	artefact: did you disabled zswap?
2021-08-09 19:17:12	artefact	Betal: i am only using zram. https://paste.debian.net/plainh/1bb221ea
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2021-08-09 19:17:37	greyltc	Anyone know what keeps wxgtk3 on the 3.0.x series instead of 3.1.x?
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2021-08-09 19:18:16	greyltc	I can see we tried to make the jump in 2019, but that seemingly didn't work https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commit/85d2bfb22b63a2e1175a703f4194c0ab8b13ef09#diff-3e341d2d9c67be01819b25b25d5e53ea3cdf3a38d28846cda85a195eb9b7203a
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2021-08-09 19:20:01	Betal	artefact: did you disabled it? it is enable by default[1], and it can cause incorrect zramctl values[2], [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Zswap#Toggling_zswap [2] look the tip/note in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Improving_performance#zram_or_zswap
2021-08-09 19:20:02	phrik	Title: Zswap - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-09 19:20:52	ℹ 	Lucretius_ es conocido ahora como Lucretius
2021-08-09 19:22:36	artefact	Betal: thank you. i didn't know it was enabled by default by the kernel
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2021-08-09 19:24:51	greyltc	wx devs have this to say about the latest 3.1.5 release vs 3.0.x: "while 3.1.5 is officially a “development” version because it is not fully compatible with the “stable” 3.0.x, the list of backwards incompatible changes is very short, so you shouldn’t have any problems updating to this version from 3.0.x in practice, and you’re encouraged to use this release, including in
2021-08-09 19:24:53	greyltc	production."
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2021-08-09 19:25:49	greyltc	So I wonder if there's actually anything left in practice that prevents wxgtk3 from going up to 3.1.5 today
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2021-08-09 19:26:41	greyltc	Which I think allows python-wxwidgets to bump up to latest stable without breaking kicad
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2021-08-09 19:42:08	kieto	I'm using alacritty and urxvt, and I can't see some icons/symbols on the terminal (they are shown either as a square symbol or as `?`). What should I install in order to fix this?
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2021-08-09 19:43:03	BrainDamage	what's the output of 'locale' ?
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2021-08-09 19:47:49	kieto	BrainDamage: http://ix.io/39f
2021-08-09 19:48:24	Compy	Has anyone observed issues on the latest version of Arch when running nmcli connect as root, I get the error "Error: Failed to add/activate new connection: failure adding connection: error writing to file '/etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/86Pixels.nmconnection': failed to create file /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/86Pixels.nmconnection.EN7770: Read-only file system" - which is odd,
2021-08-09 19:48:24	Compy	the fs is
2021-08-09 19:48:26	Compy	mounted read write and I'm able to touch/create files in the system-connections folder.
2021-08-09 19:48:31	BrainDamage	ok, so it's likely simply a case of missing glyphs
2021-08-09 19:48:38	BrainDamage	!alltheunicodes
2021-08-09 19:48:38	phrik	adobe-source-* otf-fira-{mono,sans} ttf-{dejavu,droid,indic-otf,liberation,symbola} otf-ipafont noto-fonts (more or less.)
2021-08-09 19:49:11	BrainDamage	install as much fonts possible and fontconfig will pick them up as fallback if the current one lacks one
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2021-08-09 19:50:45	cros107	hello, last time I was here I was having an issue where my pc would completely freeze upon booting my desktop environment, but I forgot what exactly the solution was
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2021-08-09 19:51:13	cros107	iirc someone suggested chrooting from my install drive and reinstalling the DE, how exactly would I go about doing this?
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2021-08-09 19:53:42	kieto	BrainDamage: thanks :)
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2021-08-09 20:01:56	greyltc	cros107: boot from the arch iso, `mount /dev/sdX /mnt`, `arch-chroot /mnt`, `pacman -Syu gnome` or similar maybe?
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2021-08-09 20:04:33	cros107	which sdX do I mount to sorry? It's been a while since the installation, do I just mount to sda? or do I need to mount to sda1 (a 128mb partition) or sda2 (a 256gb partition)?
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2021-08-09 20:05:34	greyltc	probably /dev/sda2
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2021-08-09 20:05:43	cros107	thank you
2021-08-09 20:06:08	BrainDamage	since you're reinstalling things, might as well reinstall errything
2021-08-09 20:06:15	BrainDamage	won't cost much more in terms of time
2021-08-09 20:06:19	cros107	yeah maybe that's a good idea
2021-08-09 20:06:31	BrainDamage	pacman -Qnq | pacman -S -
2021-08-09 20:06:36	cros107	although I might just have to hold off for a while, looks like I might need a new hard drive
2021-08-09 20:06:37	greyltc	gotta make sure you get your EFI mounted correctly
2021-08-09 20:06:45	cros107	I'm getting some unable to read page errors
2021-08-09 20:06:51	cros107	and "unknown filesystem type ext4"
2021-08-09 20:07:07	Betal	cros107: how did you installed arch? we don't know what sda2 might have
2021-08-09 20:07:17	Betal	it can be luks, lvm, btrfs...
2021-08-09 20:07:20	greyltc	that's right. this was a guess
2021-08-09 20:07:39	CarloWood	I am having again a lock-up problem with processes that are waiting for disk IO:
2021-08-09 20:07:45	CarloWood	carlo    3933744  0.0  0.2 644344 82400 ?        D    20:06   0:00 /usr/bin/konsole
2021-08-09 20:07:57	CarloWood	I can no longer open a new terminal (konsole).
2021-08-09 20:08:09	CarloWood	How can I find out which disk it is waiting for?
2021-08-09 20:08:19	cros107	what do you mean how did I install it?
2021-08-09 20:08:49	cros107	If you want technical details I honestly have no idea lol, I just followed the wiki and a youtube guide to the best of my ability
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2021-08-09 20:09:51	greyltc	helping you recover means we have to know how Arch made it onto your disk
2021-08-09 20:10:32	cros107	how it made it onto my disk in what way lol
2021-08-09 20:10:39	cros107	I installed from a usb drive
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2021-08-09 20:10:57	BrainDamage	you need to do some choices when you install arch, choices we can't make for you, so your system setup is unknown
2021-08-09 20:11:04	BrainDamage	like eg partition order, etc
2021-08-09 20:11:06	greyltc	what does `lsblk` show?
2021-08-09 20:11:32	Betal	can we say arch installation is like net install from other distros? where pacman download everything from internet? (without custom archiso)
2021-08-09 20:11:50	cros107	yeah it was just a standard arch iso
2021-08-09 20:12:08	cros107	lsblk has loop0, sda1 and sda2 which I mentioned before, and sdc, whcih is my usb drive
2021-08-09 20:12:18	BrainDamage	and generally a decent fraction of the users that end up clueless about their setups used a third party installer, a fork of the distro, or blindly some tutorial
2021-08-09 20:12:37	greyltc	probably sda2 has your root
2021-08-09 20:12:48	cros107	alright
2021-08-09 20:12:57	Betal	cros107: paste 'lsblk -f' (in some paste service)
2021-08-09 20:13:02	BrainDamage	if the system is booted, you can use mount
2021-08-09 20:13:05	PocketKiller	!paste
2021-08-09 20:13:05	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2021-08-09 20:13:38	greyltc	and if mount can't mount it and throws ext4 errors we can guess you have a corrupted ext4 partition there
2021-08-09 20:13:41	cros107	how tf do I get data from a usb boot into a paste service lol
2021-08-09 20:13:52	greyltc	we can guess you should try to repair the partition
2021-08-09 20:13:58	Betal	!ix
2021-08-09 20:13:59	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2021-08-09 20:14:13	cros107	anyway yeah the corruption seems to be an issue with the drive because I was already having issues before installing arch
2021-08-09 20:14:18	greyltc	but that might destroy whatever is there if any of our guesses were wrong
2021-08-09 20:14:34	cros107	well there's nothing there anyway so not much damage can be done
2021-08-09 20:14:36	cros107	lol
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2021-08-09 20:17:14	greyltc	`fsck.ext4 -fp /dev/sda2` but that can cause loss of data
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2021-08-09 20:17:40	Betal	make sure it is ext4 first
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2021-08-09 20:18:53	greyltc	yeah, do what phrik suggested to get your output into ix.io
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2021-08-09 20:20:02	Linkandzelda	how do I disable sha256 checks in a PKGBUILD?
2021-08-09 20:20:10	ℹ 	jess es conocido ahora como j
2021-08-09 20:20:16	Namarrgon	what's the goal?
2021-08-09 20:20:26	greyltc	cros107: `blkid /dev/sda2` should tell you if it's ext4
2021-08-09 20:20:28	ℹ 	j es conocido ahora como jess
2021-08-09 20:21:05	PocketKiller	Linkandzelda: --skipchecksums
2021-08-09 20:21:15	Linkandzelda	PocketKiller: thanks
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2021-08-09 20:22:11	Linkandzelda	Namarrgon: i want to modify the pkgbuild so i can build whatever version i want but nam the binary as the package name, to get multiple binaries
2021-08-09 20:22:39	greyltc	put SKIP where the checksum was
2021-08-09 20:22:47	Namarrgon	why do you need to disable the checksums for that?
2021-08-09 20:22:58	Betal	Namarrgon: were you also thinking he could update the checksums instead of skip?
2021-08-09 20:23:06	Namarrgon	yes
2021-08-09 20:23:08	Linkandzelda	Namarrgon: because, it fails to checksum the source when the source is different
2021-08-09 20:23:17	Namarrgon	"updpkgsums"
2021-08-09 20:23:35	Linkandzelda	where exactly do I put that?
2021-08-09 20:23:43	BrainDamage	the checksum wouldn't help much tho, since they'd be only checking for fs corruption at that point
2021-08-09 20:23:45	BrainDamage	it's a command
2021-08-09 20:23:47	Namarrgon	you run it after updating the checksums
2021-08-09 20:23:57	greyltc	it's a terminal command, you'll have to run it every time you change pkgver
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2021-08-09 20:24:09	Namarrgon	s/checksums/sources/
2021-08-09 20:24:12	Betal	!wtf updpkgsums
2021-08-09 20:24:14	phrik	Betal: community/pacman-contrib
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2021-08-09 20:41:19	CarloWood	But, I don't really have mechanical harddisks - certainly not ones that are accessed by EVERY application (including 'reboot')
2021-08-09 20:41:46	greyltc	SSDs die
2021-08-09 20:41:47	Namarrgon	any broken network shares?
2021-08-09 20:41:51	CarloWood	alad: I didn't run that :(. I just rebooted. Is there a way to see the dmesg messages of the previous boot?
2021-08-09 20:41:57	alad	journalctl -b -1
2021-08-09 20:42:00	CarloWood	I don't use nfs
2021-08-09 20:43:18	CarloWood	OK, that says stuff :/
2021-08-09 20:44:06	CarloWood	aug 09 20:03:16 daniel kernel: WARNING: CPU: 31 PID: 1977 at arch/x86/include/asm/kfence.h:44 kfence_protect_page+0x39/0xc0
2021-08-09 20:44:22	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-09 20:45:04	CodeLog	Is there a way to change intel turbo mode setting with kernel lockdown enabled? I know you can't use the msr stuff with kernel lockdown, so there must be another way?
2021-08-09 20:45:58	CarloWood	https://bpa.st/GKFQ
2021-08-09 20:45:59	phrik	Title: View paste GKFQ (at bpa.st)
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2021-08-09 20:47:27	Namarrgon	find the first kernel oops
2021-08-09 20:47:32	esorensen	Dear all, I'm having trouble with `virt-manager` in Arch Linux. I did a fresh install last Sunday, and everything was working well. Today, after rebooting, I tried to open my virtual machine, and it threw me: "Error starting domain: Failed to connect socket to '/var/run/libvirt/virtnetworkd-sock': No such file or directory. I've spent the whole
2021-08-09 20:47:32	esorensen	morning researching for this problem, but I couldn't find the right wiki / doc to actually make it work. `systemctl status libvirtd` shows as "Active: inactive (dead)". Right after I restart libvirtd, it says "active", but if I try to connect with virsh or virt-manager, it goes dead. Help? :-)  
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2021-08-09 20:48:23	CarloWood	Namarrgon: what reg.exp would that be?
2021-08-09 20:48:25	Linkandzelda	Namarrgon: is there a way to pass a parameter for the version? such as "makepkg -si VERSION"?
2021-08-09 20:48:45	Namarrgon	CarloWood: use your Eyeball Mk.I
2021-08-09 20:48:52	Namarrgon	Linkandzelda: no
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2021-08-09 20:49:24	Linkandzelda	Namarrgon: what about picking it up from a file? or I have to edit the build file each time?
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2021-08-09 20:50:07	cros107	sorry for the delay greyltc, here's the ix.io
2021-08-09 20:50:08	cros107	http://ix.io/3vuD
2021-08-09 20:50:31	CarloWood	Namarrgon: The one pasted is the first one (aug 09 20:03:16). 
2021-08-09 20:53:33	cros107	for lsblk -f
2021-08-09 20:53:33	greyltc	cros107: can you paste the output when you try to mount it?
2021-08-09 20:53:33	cros107	to sda2 right?
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2021-08-09 20:53:33	greyltc	`mount /dev/sda2 /mnt`
2021-08-09 20:53:33	CarloWood	All it talks about is PID 1977, which apparently is/was gkrellm, right?
2021-08-09 20:53:33	cros107	worked fine this time, my laptop actually went flat before (which is why I took so long to respond lol)
2021-08-09 20:53:33	greyltc	that mounts disk partition /dev/sda2 to a folder, /mnt
2021-08-09 20:53:33	greyltc	"went flat"
2021-08-09 20:53:33	cros107	yes
2021-08-09 20:53:33	greyltc	maybe this is why your file system has been damaged
2021-08-09 20:53:33	cros107	what, the file system can be damaged just by the laptop running out of battery
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2021-08-09 20:53:33	cros107	??
2021-08-09 20:53:33	cros107	??
2021-08-09 20:53:33	cros107	oops
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2021-08-09 20:53:35	greyltc	If it doesn't get unmounted correctly before power loss, things can get pretty wonky, yeah
2021-08-09 20:53:36	◣	Iamthehuman1 (~noname@user/iamthehuman) ha salido (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2021-08-09 20:54:50	Betal	following https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xhost#Usage I get this error https://bpa.st/raw/OF3A , any idea ?
2021-08-09 20:54:50	phrik	Title: Xhost - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-09 20:54:50	cros107	I mean, this definitely didn't happen at any point during the arch installation process or anything
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2021-08-09 20:54:50	Namarrgon	Betal: does 'username' exist?
2021-08-09 20:54:50	Betal	Namarrgon: the same error happens if user exists or not
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2021-08-09 20:56:05	Betal	Namarrgon: with real user, https://bpa.st/raw/WONQ
2021-08-09 20:56:20	Betal	Namarrgon: (if following https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wine#Running_Wine_under_a_separate_user_account )
2021-08-09 20:56:21	phrik	Title: Wine - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-09 20:56:42	CarloWood	Namarrgon: The first time I had this lock up is still in the journal (aug 06 06:38:18) and that looks EXACTLY the same, including "CPU: 10 PID: 3009 Comm: gkrellm Tainted: P           OE     5.13.4-arch2-1 #1"   Can we conclude that there is a problem with gkrellm (as opposed with my hardware)?
2021-08-09 20:57:02	Namarrgon	CarloWood: it's either your hardware or the kernel, not gkrellm
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2021-08-09 20:57:49	Namarrgon	Linkandzelda: take a look at 'man makepkg-template'
2021-08-09 20:58:01	CarloWood	I think that what gkrellm does what other processes don't is use sensors... so it could be a problem with accessing those (if it is a kernel problem)
2021-08-09 20:58:06	Linkandzelda	Namarrgon: will check it out, thanks
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2021-08-09 20:59:18	CarloWood	This does not look normal, does it?
2021-08-09 20:59:20	CarloWood	https://bpa.st/EV5Q
2021-08-09 20:59:21	phrik	Title: View paste EV5Q (at bpa.st)
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2021-08-09 21:00:06	CarloWood	Maybe it remembers gkrellm from every session and it is running a gazillion times? Even after I just rebooted?
2021-08-09 21:01:43	Namarrgon	processes are not persistent, they don't survive reboots
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2021-08-09 21:02:33	Namarrgon	Betal: does "xhost +local:wineuser" work?
2021-08-09 21:03:00	CarloWood	It was started 31 times. It doesn't survive the reboot, but apparently my session causes it to be started 31 times.
2021-08-09 21:03:19	Namarrgon	xfce?
2021-08-09 21:03:22	Betal	Namarrgon: yes, did they changed syntax?
2021-08-09 21:03:22	CarloWood	When I reboot then discord and telegram also run (again)
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2021-08-09 21:03:49	Namarrgon	Betal: no but depending on how you start X it might not be listening on tcp
2021-08-09 21:03:57	CarloWood	I use plasma/KDE with the default window manager
2021-08-09 21:03:57	◣	cros107 (~cros107@101.182.94.138) ha salido (Quit: Connection closed)
2021-08-09 21:04:05	Namarrgon	Betal: though i'm not sure what error that used to give
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2021-08-09 21:09:20	Namarrgon	Betal: if you use startx then remove '-nolisten tcp' from /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc, restart X and try the command again
2021-08-09 21:09:20	Betal	Namarrgon: this used to work, I still open xorg with sddm, not sure what change might cause this, wondering about newer kernel options landlock and bpf. Good that it works with +local, thanks \o
2021-08-09 21:09:20	Namarrgon	ah, nvm then
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2021-08-09 21:09:20	CarloWood	Namarrgon: gkrellm is in my Autostart. If NEXT to that it remembers that the application was running and restores it as part of the session, then I will get one extra running process every reboot.
2021-08-09 21:09:20	Namarrgon	CarloWood: remove it from autostart, reboot and see what happens
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2021-08-09 21:10:23	CarloWood	I added it to "Don't restore these applications" along with the other things that are in autostart: https://gyazo.com/d583798d7341fab9a79a4f87ed132226
2021-08-09 21:10:25	phrik	Title: Screenshot - d583798d7341fab9a79a4f87ed132226 - Gyazo (at gyazo.com)
2021-08-09 21:10:51	CarloWood	rebooting...
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2021-08-09 21:16:44	CarloWood	Now all the --session things are gone. Just one process is running.
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2021-08-09 20:41:19	CarloWood	But, I don't really have mechanical harddisks - certainly not ones that are accessed by EVERY application (including 'reboot')
2021-08-09 20:41:46	greyltc	SSDs die
2021-08-09 20:41:47	Namarrgon	any broken network shares?
2021-08-09 20:41:51	CarloWood	alad: I didn't run that :(. I just rebooted. Is there a way to see the dmesg messages of the previous boot?
2021-08-09 20:41:57	alad	journalctl -b -1
2021-08-09 20:42:00	CarloWood	I don't use nfs
2021-08-09 20:43:18	CarloWood	OK, that says stuff :/
2021-08-09 20:44:06	CarloWood	aug 09 20:03:16 daniel kernel: WARNING: CPU: 31 PID: 1977 at arch/x86/include/asm/kfence.h:44 kfence_protect_page+0x39/0xc0
2021-08-09 20:45:04	CodeLog	Is there a way to change intel turbo mode setting with kernel lockdown enabled? I know you can't use the msr stuff with kernel lockdown, so there must be another way?
2021-08-09 20:45:58	CarloWood	https://bpa.st/GKFQ
2021-08-09 20:45:59	phrik	Title: View paste GKFQ (at bpa.st)
2021-08-09 20:47:27	Namarrgon	find the first kernel oops
2021-08-09 20:47:32	esorensen	Dear all, I'm having trouble with `virt-manager` in Arch Linux. I did a fresh install last Sunday, and everything was working well. Today, after rebooting, I tried to open my virtual machine, and it threw me: "Error starting domain: Failed to connect socket to '/var/run/libvirt/virtnetworkd-sock': No such file or directory. I've spent the whole
2021-08-09 20:47:32	esorensen	morning researching for this problem, but I couldn't find the right wiki / doc to actually make it work. `systemctl status libvirtd` shows as "Active: inactive (dead)". Right after I restart libvirtd, it says "active", but if I try to connect with virsh or virt-manager, it goes dead. Help? :-)  
2021-08-09 20:48:23	CarloWood	Namarrgon: what reg.exp would that be?
2021-08-09 20:48:25	Linkandzelda	Namarrgon: is there a way to pass a parameter for the version? such as "makepkg -si VERSION"?
2021-08-09 20:48:45	Namarrgon	CarloWood: use your Eyeball Mk.I
2021-08-09 20:48:52	Namarrgon	Linkandzelda: no
2021-08-09 20:49:24	Linkandzelda	Namarrgon: what about picking it up from a file? or I have to edit the build file each time?
2021-08-09 20:50:07	cros107	sorry for the delay greyltc, here's the ix.io
2021-08-09 20:50:08	cros107	http://ix.io/3vuD
2021-08-09 20:50:31	CarloWood	Namarrgon: The one pasted is the first one (aug 09 20:03:16). 
2021-08-09 20:50:42	cros107	for lsblk -f
2021-08-09 20:50:44	greyltc	cros107: can you paste the output when you try to mount it?
2021-08-09 20:51:01	cros107	to sda2 right?
2021-08-09 20:51:16	greyltc	`mount /dev/sda2 /mnt`
2021-08-09 20:51:25	CarloWood	All it talks about is PID 1977, which apparently is/was gkrellm, right?
2021-08-09 20:51:44	cros107	worked fine this time, my laptop actually went flat before (which is why I took so long to respond lol)
2021-08-09 20:51:48	greyltc	that mounts disk partition /dev/sda2 to a folder, /mnt
2021-08-09 20:52:00	greyltc	"went flat"
2021-08-09 20:52:09	cros107	yes
2021-08-09 20:52:13	greyltc	maybe this is why your file system has been damaged
2021-08-09 20:52:42	cros107	what, the file system can be damaged just by the laptop running out of battery
2021-08-09 20:52:43	cros107	??
2021-08-09 20:52:47	cros107	??
2021-08-09 20:52:52	cros107	oops
2021-08-09 20:53:35	greyltc	If it doesn't get unmounted correctly before power loss, things can get pretty wonky, yeah
2021-08-09 20:53:50	Betal	following https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xhost#Usage I get this error https://bpa.st/raw/OF3A , any idea ?
2021-08-09 20:53:52	phrik	Title: Xhost - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-09 20:54:08	cros107	I mean, this definitely didn't happen at any point during the arch installation process or anything
2021-08-09 20:54:30	Namarrgon	Betal: does 'username' exist?
2021-08-09 20:54:41	Betal	Namarrgon: the same error happens if user exists or not
2021-08-09 20:56:05	Betal	Namarrgon: with real user, https://bpa.st/raw/WONQ
2021-08-09 20:56:20	Betal	Namarrgon: (if following https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wine#Running_Wine_under_a_separate_user_account )
2021-08-09 20:56:21	phrik	Title: Wine - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-09 20:56:43	CarloWood	Namarrgon: The first time I had this lock up is still in the journal (aug 06 06:38:18) and that looks EXACTLY the same, including "CPU: 10 PID: 3009 Comm: gkrellm Tainted: P           OE     5.13.4-arch2-1 #1"   Can we conclude that there is a problem with gkrellm (as opposed with my hardware)?
2021-08-09 20:57:02	Namarrgon	CarloWood: it's either your hardware or the kernel, not gkrellm
2021-08-09 20:57:49	Namarrgon	Linkandzelda: take a look at 'man makepkg-template'
2021-08-09 20:58:01	CarloWood	I think that what gkrellm does what other processes don't is use sensors... so it could be a problem with accessing those (if it is a kernel problem)
2021-08-09 20:58:06	Linkandzelda	Namarrgon: will check it out, thanks
2021-08-09 20:59:17	CarloWood	This does not look normal, does it?
2021-08-09 20:59:20	CarloWood	https://bpa.st/EV5Q
2021-08-09 20:59:21	phrik	Title: View paste EV5Q (at bpa.st)
2021-08-09 21:00:06	CarloWood	Maybe it remembers gkrellm from every session and it is running a gazillion times? Even after I just rebooted?
2021-08-09 21:01:43	Namarrgon	processes are not persistent, they don't survive reboots
2021-08-09 21:02:33	Namarrgon	Betal: does "xhost +local:wineuser" work?
2021-08-09 21:03:00	CarloWood	It was started 31 times. It doesn't survive the reboot, but apparently my session causes it to be started 31 times.
2021-08-09 21:03:19	Namarrgon	xfce?
2021-08-09 21:03:22	Betal	Namarrgon: yes, did they changed syntax?
2021-08-09 21:03:22	CarloWood	When I reboot then discord and telegram also run (again)
2021-08-09 21:03:49	Namarrgon	Betal: no but depending on how you start X it might not be listening on tcp
2021-08-09 21:03:57	CarloWood	I use plasma/KDE with the default window manager
2021-08-09 21:04:05	Namarrgon	Betal: though i'm not sure what error that used to give
2021-08-09 21:05:25	Namarrgon	Betal: if you use startx then remove '-nolisten tcp' from /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc, restart X and try the command again
2021-08-09 21:06:27	Betal	Namarrgon: this used to work, I still open xorg with sddm, not sure what change might cause this, wondering about newer kernel options landlock and bpf. Good that it works with +local, thanks \o
2021-08-09 21:06:39	Namarrgon	ah, nvm then
2021-08-09 21:06:57	CarloWood	Namarrgon: gkrellm is in my Autostart. If NEXT to that it remembers that the application was running and restores it as part of the session, then I will get one extra running process every reboot.
2021-08-09 21:07:16	Namarrgon	CarloWood: remove it from autostart, reboot and see what happens
2021-08-09 21:10:23	CarloWood	I added it to "Don't restore these applications" along with the other things that are in autostart: https://gyazo.com/d583798d7341fab9a79a4f87ed132226
2021-08-09 21:10:25	phrik	Title: Screenshot - d583798d7341fab9a79a4f87ed132226 - Gyazo (at gyazo.com)
2021-08-09 21:10:51	CarloWood	rebooting...
2021-08-09 21:16:44	CarloWood	Now all the --session things are gone. Just one process is running.
2021-08-09 21:17:13	CarloWood	But I got errors from QJackCtl :/
2021-08-09 21:19:38	Betal	Namarrgon: sddm starts xorg with "-nolisten tcp"
2021-08-09 21:24:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-09 21:25:25	hmw[at]	When I try to set a marker in Geany, so I can use ctrl+, or ctrl+. to jump, I get this red diamond instead of the marker, I'd expect. The shortcuts/menu command also don't jump. What is this marker, how do I get to jump again? https://harald.ist.org/paste/images/2021-08-09_21-24-16.png
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2021-08-09 21:25:58	Hello71	isn't -nolisten tcp the default now?
2021-08-09 21:26:37	Namarrgon	dunno
2021-08-09 21:27:08	Namarrgon	Betal: i'm not sure if that's the reason for the error but that's where i'd start poking
2021-08-09 21:27:08	Hello71	https://askubuntu.com/questions/615139/how-to-make-x-org-listen-tcp-port-to-remote-connections/615160
2021-08-09 21:27:09	phrik	Title: networking - How to make X.org listen tcp port to remote connections? - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
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2021-08-09 21:30:09	nij-	Hello, I'm trying to config my multikeys by editting ~/.XCompose as in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg/Keyboard_configuration
2021-08-09 21:30:10	phrik	Title: Xorg/Keyboard configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-09 21:30:30	nij-	Some of them work, but others don't. Here's my config https://bpa.st/
2021-08-09 21:30:32	phrik	Title: Create new paste (at bpa.st)
2021-08-09 21:31:03	nij-	(In particular, it works for "1", "2" "3" but not "`" and "4".)
2021-08-09 21:32:13	Betal	Namarrgon: for reference, looks "xhost +local:" is the same result as "xhost +local:someuser", both allows any user
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2021-08-09 21:35:30	nij-	Urgh.. sorry. Wrong post above.
2021-08-09 21:35:39	nij-	It should be this -> https://bpa.st/JXXA
2021-08-09 21:35:40	phrik	Title: View paste JXXA (at bpa.st)
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2021-08-09 21:40:24	OrbitalDev	!paste
2021-08-09 21:40:24	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2021-08-09 21:43:12	moviuro	Bluewind: mirrors.evowise.com is still present in the mirrorlist?
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2021-08-09 21:44:32	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
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2021-08-09 21:44:32	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-09 21:47:09	deltasquared	ok, so I currently have the most peculiar issue appear on my arch laptop. my shift keys and function row don't work correctly. the former just doesn't, the Fx keys seem to just sends letters. what the hay...
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2021-08-09 21:47:31	deltasquared	I haven't upgraded this machine in a bit, but on the flip side that means no software changed... keys still function correctly in the uefi firmware.
2021-08-09 21:47:37	moviuro	deltasquared: what does xev(1) report?
2021-08-09 21:47:48	deltasquared	moviuro: no x11 at the moment.
2021-08-09 21:47:54	deltasquared	(getting arch on it has been slow due to health)
2021-08-09 21:48:15	deltasquared	I can run some console commands though I just need to go grab another keyboard a moment to see what's up
2021-08-09 21:48:25	ℹ 	another es conocido ahora como another|
2021-08-09 21:48:26	moviuro	with luck, it's only funky in the tty, not in the actual X11/wayland system
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2021-08-09 21:49:02	deltasquared	moviuro: I see. I could use something like evemu-record to see what the input device puts out.
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2021-08-09 21:51:07	moviuro	^V could help you see what you type? e.g. Ctrl+V ; Enter: returns ^M .
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2021-08-09 21:51:34	deltasquared	moviuro: oh, so that's interesting. so actually alt-Fx still works on either keyboard, it just showed something I didn't expect on the tty. however shift key is still bork. hmm.
2021-08-09 21:51:56	deltasquared	ctrl-V F1 shows ^[[[A
2021-08-09 21:52:21	deltasquared	that'd be it then I guess. though then that suggests shift issue on the internal keyboard because that's still broken.
2021-08-09 21:52:33	deltasquared	?pkgfile evemu-record
2021-08-09 21:52:34	@EMIYA	deltasquared: community/evemu 2.7.0-7 (/usr/bin/evemu-record)
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2021-08-09 21:54:45	CarloWood	Is someone willing to test out a website? I reported a problem with it and it would help to hear from someone else that they have the same problems.
2021-08-09 21:55:10	CarloWood	I am using Version 92.0.4515.131 (Official Build) Arch Linux (64-bit).  When I try firefox, the site works great.
2021-08-09 21:55:22	deltasquared	moviuro: ... ok, that's even more spooky, so the shift key just went from not working to working again right as I ran evemu-record on it. (saw it not, then it came on suddenly)
2021-08-09 21:55:33	deltasquared	I suspect a loose cable now.
2021-08-09 21:55:43	moviuro	*quantum physics*
2021-08-09 21:55:56	CarloWood	The site is: https://trade.kraken.com/  the issue is that if you left-click on the chart it should draw a line (at least, after you press the 'h' key) and it doesn't draw anything for me.
2021-08-09 21:56:05	deltasquared	moviuro: thanks for talking me through a mini-panic there in any case heh
2021-08-09 21:56:18	moviuro	no prob deltasquared , have fun
2021-08-09 21:56:19	deltasquared	I'll have to check the laptop's ribbon cable.
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2021-08-09 21:56:26	deltasquared	that will be not so fun.
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2021-08-09 21:58:55	NetSysFire	deltasquared: if you suspect a hardware issue, try using that key in the bios. if it doesnt work there its probably borked for real
2021-08-09 21:58:59	deltasquared	moviuro: I suspect the ribbon cable because a couble months ago I took this laptop apart for the first time for a deep clean, repaste cpu, that sort of thing. one inevitably screws up slightly with ribbon cables.
2021-08-09 21:59:05	deltasquared	NetSysFire: there's nothing that uses shift though.
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2021-08-09 21:59:14	deltasquared	it's all arrow keys and value up/down stuff. no name fields.
2021-08-09 21:59:31	deltasquared	I could try systemd-boot though, that would use the UEFI's input routines
2021-08-09 21:59:55	deltasquared	if I can't type a # for instance there then I know it's bork
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2021-08-09 22:00:04	docmax	can i include modules in initramfs but not load? (load should be done in a hook)#
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2021-08-09 22:00:25	Namarrgon	docmax: what's the use-case?
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2021-08-09 22:00:58	docmax	if a kernel variable is set, then i want to load nbd module to mount a qcow2
2021-08-09 22:01:06	docmax	if not, skip that
2021-08-09 22:01:33	Namarrgon	would it hurt if the module gets loaded for every kernel?
2021-08-09 22:01:51	Namarrgon	no, there's no option to do that
2021-08-09 22:01:53	docmax	yes i dont want the created /dev/nbd devices
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2021-08-09 22:02:19	Betal	isn't easier to create 2 grub entries, one with nbd initramfs and the other without
2021-08-09 22:02:37	docmax	no, waste of space
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2021-08-09 22:03:17	Namarrgon	where does the deciding logic live? in an mkinitpcio hook you wrote?
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2021-08-09 22:03:56	docmax	yes, a hook script
2021-08-09 22:04:05	Bluewind	moviuro: in the mirrorlist package? sure. in the mirrorlist on the website it shouldn't be
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2021-08-09 22:04:50	docmax	man, cant believe its not possible... mabye a prefix in MODULES=(nbd) ?
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2021-08-09 22:05:20	moviuro	well, the question now is: why is it still there? newbie users keep complaining on the subreddit; and the package was recently updated. Would have been the good occasion to remove it because it's dead
2021-08-09 22:06:23	moviuro	it is so dead that it ended up in my badware/adlist hosts file
2021-08-09 22:06:23	Namarrgon	docmax: nope. you can hack "init" to do whatever you want of course
2021-08-09 22:07:15	Namarrgon	docmax: or switch to the systemd based initramfs and use a service or somesuch
2021-08-09 22:07:45	Namarrgon	moviuro: did someone file a bugreport for evowise?
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2021-08-09 22:07:47	docmax	or FILES=(/lib/modules/*/kernel/drivers/block/nbd.ko.zst) ?
2021-08-09 22:08:02	Namarrgon	docmax: that will only work if the module has no other dependencies
2021-08-09 22:08:21	Namarrgon	and now you need to hardcode the version
2021-08-09 22:08:23	docmax	then my hook has to unload the module
2021-08-09 22:10:30	docmax	or maybe blacklist?
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2021-08-09 22:11:18	Namarrgon	that doesn't work when the module is loaded explicitly
2021-08-09 22:11:47	docmax	where can i request this feature? (install module but dont load)
2021-08-09 22:12:15	Namarrgon	pacman -Si mkinitcpio -> URL
2021-08-09 22:13:24	Namarrgon	the usecase is a bit exotic, i wouldn't get my hope up
2021-08-09 22:14:45	docmax	done! https://github.com/archlinux/mkinitcpio/issues/61
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2021-08-09 22:19:51	Betal	this feature would help the lvm2 hook
2021-08-09 22:20:03	Betal	(maybe)
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2021-08-09 22:22:32	moviuro	done Namarrgon . There was indeed no bug report. I thought #archlinux would have heard about it. It's been broken for quite a while now (2 months maybe?)
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2021-08-09 22:25:00	Namarrgon	moviuro: oh, we've heard about it
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2021-08-09 22:25:15	Namarrgon	but we're chronically lazy
2021-08-09 22:25:43	moviuro	a good thing, most of the time
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2021-08-09 22:59:45	andril	o/ all
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2021-08-09 23:04:44	Edu4rdSHL	!give andril welcome
2021-08-09 23:04:45	phrik	andril: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2021-08-09 23:05:14	bionade24	Hello, I have an NFS share permissions drwxrws--- 5 root 100 4096  9. Aug 22:01 NAS  but user root can't access it. How have I fucked up?
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2021-08-09 23:06:16	Ingar	root squash ?
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2021-08-09 23:06:38	nova	pandoc is back to not having a manual page. it had one, then it didn't, then it did, now it doesn't
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2021-08-09 23:06:49	Ingar	bionade24: by default, on NFS root is mapped to nobody
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2021-08-09 23:06:56	bionade24	Ingar: Nothing is a squashfs or what do you mean?
2021-08-09 23:07:15	bionade24	Ingar: I can access the NFS share totally fine with my normal user but not with root
2021-08-09 23:07:30	bionade24	With root I get permission denied
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2021-08-09 23:07:53	Ingar	bionade24: the server probably exports the NFS share with root squash enabled
2021-08-09 23:07:57	nova	rip. I started not using pacman for haskell packages and forgot. ignore me.
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2021-08-09 23:08:13	Ingar	bionade24: which means root is nobody
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2021-08-09 23:09:45	bionade24	Ingar: And every other user isn't nobody Or how do I solve this properly?
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2021-08-09 23:11:29	Ingar	bionade24: on the NFS server, add the no_root_squash option to the share in /etc/exports. If you do, you'd want to read the documentation on what it actually does and what the consequences are.
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2021-08-09 23:13:41	bionade24	Ingar: Thx
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2021-08-09 23:16:26	bionade24	Ingar: Can I somehow give root a diffrent username than nobody on the NFS host?
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2021-08-09 23:18:39	Bluewind	moviuro: because it just got removed like 3 hours ago. package is older
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2021-08-09 23:19:11	Bluewind	moviuro: removing out of date mirrors is still done manually, but I heared ppl are working on automating it
2021-08-09 23:19:22	Bluewind	let's hope that this will get done eventually
2021-08-09 23:19:42	moviuro	out of date != hostile takeover and sending junk to pacman(8)
2021-08-09 23:19:47	Bluewind	right
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2021-08-09 23:45:06	lakiluki	Hey, anyone knows what's the easiest way to mount a qcow2 image without using qemu-nbd? I'm trying to do it as part of a Dockerfile
2021-08-09 23:45:27	lakiluki	as in, get the qcow2 image, mount and modify it, and unmount it
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2021-08-09 23:46:29	lakiluki	basically trying to run Arch with qemu/kvm under Docker, under host Arch :^)
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2021-08-09 23:46:43	lakiluki	quite possibly the absolutely stupidest idea I've ever had, but oh well
2021-08-09 23:47:08	lakiluki	and I just need to add a root keyfile for ssh beforehand
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2021-08-09 23:50:23	Edu4rdSHL	lakiluki, systemd-nspawn -i
2021-08-09 23:50:34	Edu4rdSHL	Oh, you mean mount
2021-08-09 23:50:37	Edu4rdSHL	Not run
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2021-08-09 23:51:11	lxzio	Hey guys, my arch linux is broken 
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2021-08-09 23:51:22	lakiluki	yeah, I'd just like to add a root keyfile as part of the Dockerfile build, and only run the qemu after
2021-08-09 23:51:34	Edu4rdSHL	No idea
2021-08-09 23:51:47	lxzio	I tried going to the live iso and trying to Mount and install linux package again
2021-08-09 23:52:07	lxzio	Its stuck generating images 
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2021-08-09 23:52:56	lakiluki	Edu4rdSHL: oh well, I might as well just build a live iso image using `mkarchiso` but I was kinda trying to avoid that
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2021-08-09 23:54:12	lxzio	Ctrl c does not do anything 
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2021-08-09 23:55:55	lxzio	And getting messages like stopped and started user login management
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2021-08-10 19:17:16	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-08-10 19:17:17	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1261 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1260 normals)
2021-08-10 12:47:54	slimefoot	frojnd: oh, so you want your server to only be able to access a certain destination?
2021-08-10 12:47:58	anon_	Namarrgon there's already one (https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/1458) the commit was found six month ago but nothing changed on stable :\
2021-08-10 12:47:59	phrik	Title: Sign in · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2021-08-10 12:48:28	slimefoot	frojnd: in that case you'd probably need -d (destination), not -s (source)
2021-08-10 12:48:51	tirnanog	spagoote: as the root user, try: sudo -U admin -l
2021-08-10 12:48:57	Namarrgon	anon_: is there one on arch's bugtracker?
2021-08-10 12:48:59	tirnanog	spagoote: and see whether the expected policy shows up.
2021-08-10 12:49:06	spagoote	thrice: seems to work if I enable it for user "admin" but not for the group wheel...
2021-08-10 12:50:29	thrice	are you positive you're in the wheel group (and, you've logged out / in since adding yourself) ?
2021-08-10 12:50:56	spagoote	i'll try again for curiosity...
2021-08-10 12:51:02	anon_	Namarrgon I don't know, don't have an account there though
2021-08-10 12:51:17	Namarrgon	anon_: you can search for reports without an account
2021-08-10 12:51:28	anon_	Namarrgon but shouldn't it be fixed upstream?
2021-08-10 12:51:37	anon_	Namarrgon checking...
2021-08-10 12:51:43	slimefoot	if `id` shows they're in the wheel group, it should be fine - but +1 for listing the current sudo policy
2021-08-10 12:52:01	Namarrgon	anon_: ideally it should be fixed upstream but sometimes that takes a while
2021-08-10 12:53:05	anon_	Namarrgon found nothing on the bugtracker after a quick search
2021-08-10 12:53:15	SysGhost	by default, sudo isn't "enbled" on the wheel group. It is in as a commented out line though, so it's just as simple as sudoedit and remove the comment mark from the correct wheels group line.
2021-08-10 12:53:38	SysGhost	although one do need to use su for that step
2021-08-10 12:54:27	spagoote	thrice: it does work with the setting for wheel group. something wasn't right but I have rebooted a few times since making that setting. i'm pretty sure i've been on the group wheel since the archinstall script added me as a sudoer & root acc disabled. oh well! next.
2021-08-10 12:55:10	thrice	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2021-08-10 13:16:18	MasterOfDisaster	Hi, I'm trying to mount cgroups v1 in /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd (needed for older systemds as PID 1 inside containers). I'm creating the mountpoint with systemd-tmpfiles, and I'd like to guard the mounting with ConditionPathExists inside a mount unit.
2021-08-10 13:16:38	MasterOfDisaster	But Systemd refuses to operate on an API filesystem.
2021-08-10 13:17:30	MasterOfDisaster	Apart from using /etc/fstab (and hoping the mountpoint exists), is there a way to force systemd to act?
2021-08-10 13:25:50	ntwk	I'm dual booting between Windows 10 and Arch Linux.  I'd like to resize the EFI partition as I can't update Arch nor Windows at its current size.  I've tried using GParted but it fails to resize the FAT32 EFI partition.  My GPT layout is like so: https://i.imgur.com/0pJxagT.png
2021-08-10 13:26:19	tatsumaru	hey guys, is it possible to install arch on a pc without internet connection?
2021-08-10 13:26:32	Namarrgon	ntwk: do you mount the ESP to /boot?
2021-08-10 13:26:47	ntwk	Namarrgon: I do.
2021-08-10 13:27:03	Namarrgon	ntwk: alternatively you could mount it somewhere else so that the kernel and initramfs don't eat up all the space on it
2021-08-10 13:28:06	ntwk	Namarrgon: I'd briefly seen mention that GRUB supports putting the kernel and initramfs on another parition which would free up some space.
2021-08-10 13:28:15	Namarrgon	ntwk: there's no free space right after the ESP anyway, you would need to move all filesystems that follow
2021-08-10 13:29:05	Namarrgon	or you could replace your swap partition with the ESP...
2021-08-10 13:29:49	Namarrgon	tatsumaru: yes, it's possible. how do you intend to update this system?
2021-08-10 13:30:17	tatsumaru	Namarrgon, it will later have a regular internet connection, but doesn't have one right now
2021-08-10 13:30:24	Namarrgon	"later"?
2021-08-10 13:31:19	Namarrgon	what prevents you from connecting it to the internet during the installation?
2021-08-10 13:31:21	tatsumaru	I just want to install arch on the PC and gift it to someone who will have an internet connection, and right now I prefer to install arch without internet so that I don't have to unplug my own PC from the internet
2021-08-10 13:31:48	Namarrgon	how are you connected to the internet?
2021-08-10 13:31:52	tatsumaru	lan
2021-08-10 13:32:02	Namarrgon	and there's only a single port?
2021-08-10 13:32:04	ntwk	Namarrgon: Moving and resizing other parititions seemed to be something GParted could do, but for whatever reason it chokes when trying to resize a FAT32 parition, or at least it did when trying to resize it to ~592 MB.
2021-08-10 13:32:28	tatsumaru	there's only a single cable, I have to go out and buy more cables or unplug my cable and plug it into the other pc
2021-08-10 13:32:30	Namarrgon	ntwk: you could move it manually to where the current swap partition is
2021-08-10 13:32:41	Namarrgon	tatsumaru: no wifi either?
2021-08-10 13:32:52	cmnky	can't he just copy the pacman cache from a working machine ?
2021-08-10 13:32:58	cmnky	and then install the packages ?
2021-08-10 13:33:02	Namarrgon	tatsumaru: walking to the store will be a lot faster than to learn how to install arch offline
2021-08-10 13:33:24	Namarrgon	cmnky: if they create a repo from these packages, sure
2021-08-10 13:33:29	tatsumaru	Namarrgon if it's that complicated then I guess I will get another cable
2021-08-10 13:33:55	Namarrgon	it's not "complicated" when you know what you're doing but it still eats up time
2021-08-10 13:34:12	cmnky	I agree, the internet is a lot of resource for the price of a cable ;D
2021-08-10 13:34:39	tatsumaru	generally speaking, is arch suitable for an airgapped system?
2021-08-10 13:34:53	Namarrgon	i wouldn't want to use it that way
2021-08-10 13:35:32	Namarrgon	but i also wouldn't install arch for someone else, so there's that...
2021-08-10 13:35:38	ntwk	Namarrgon: That idea sounds like it could work.  If I created a FAT32 parition in place of my swap and copied all the files on the EFI parition over, do you know what fix-ups, if any, I'd need to do in order to ensure both Windows and Linux will boot from the new EFI parition?
2021-08-10 13:36:37	Namarrgon	ntwk: if you recreate the partition and fs with the same PARTUUID/UUID then everything should just work
2021-08-10 13:37:30	tatsumaru	is it fine to install arch on a PC with 1 gb ram?
2021-08-10 13:37:46	Namarrgon	it will boot and you will be able to open one firefox tab
2021-08-10 13:53:01	Fidelix	My dualsense controller just doesn't seem to work properly in Linux. (arch 5.13 here).
2021-08-10 13:53:09	Fidelix	On steam, when I go to "General Controller Settings", I get xbox prompts, and then after a few seconds it switches to DS5 prompts. So steam detects the controller properly, but maybe there is a ds5 -> xbox translation layer somewhere?
2021-08-10 13:53:10	Fidelix	I tried `sudo rmmod -f joydev` to no avail.
2021-08-10 13:59:14	Polochon_street	Namarrgon: no freeze for more than 2 hours now, the xinitrc thing seems to have worked, thanks a lot :)
2021-08-10 14:13:36	deltasquared	hey... so I noticed I wasn't getting any package updates for the past few days, decided to check the mirror status just in case... then I noticed they're all showing mirror delays of many hours. there's not a news item or such so is there something going on?
2021-08-10 14:14:00	thrice	no
2021-08-10 14:14:17	suppl3	Hello! I installed KDE applications and I find that there are many games and stuff I dont want on my system, is there any FAST way to uninstall them instead of going one-by-one?
2021-08-10 14:14:42	thrice	suppl3: you installed a meta package, or?
2021-08-10 14:14:44	Scimmia	deltasquared: the only ones showing "many hours" are the ones listed under "Out of Sync Mirrors"
2021-08-10 14:15:35	deltasquared	Scimmia: ... you are right, I'm a derp. who reordered the page though >_>
2021-08-10 14:16:14	suppl3	thrice I installed plasma and kde-applications packages
2021-08-10 14:16:41	thrice	like, all of them?
2021-08-10 14:16:46	suppl3	yes
2021-08-10 14:16:57	thrice	lol
2021-08-10 14:17:01	suppl3	:D
2021-08-10 14:17:19	thrice	well, pacman -R can work on groups
2021-08-10 14:17:56	suppl3	thrice: cool! Do you have any preferences on what you install?
2021-08-10 14:18:06	thrice	I'm surprised you didn't take the time to answer it when asked "which do you want to install"
2021-08-10 14:18:20	thrice	why would my application choice apply to you? :D
2021-08-10 14:18:44	suppl3	I was short in time
2021-08-10 14:18:44	thrice	kde-applications is also a group
2021-08-10 14:18:50	deltasquared	thrice: I guess some people get hit by blank canvas syndrome to begin with.
2021-08-10 14:19:04	thrice	yeah, that's definitely fair
2021-08-10 14:21:19	suppl3	Well here goes nothing. I wanted to install arch for so long in order to get a better understanding of Linux. I have tried installing it 4-5 times in the span of 3 years, succeeded like 3 times, but I want to know exactly why and how everything works
2021-08-10 14:21:59	suppl3	I asked for your application choices so that I might get an idea
2021-08-10 14:23:05	Hello71	there is, presumably, at least one person using each application (most likely)
2021-08-10 14:24:25	deltasquared	suppl3: it's also worth pointing out, if this applies to you, that the choices of applications a long time arch user would make may not be very comfortable for newer users.
2021-08-10 14:24:28	suppl3	thats true :P
2021-08-10 14:26:11	suppl3	deltasquared, I am comfortable with linux, just not with partitioning, choosing DE etc, stuff that usually come preinstalled on other OSs
2021-08-10 14:26:14	mingdao	suppl3: It's such a difficult question for others to answer, so here are host shuttle's installed pkgs running Arch https://0x0.st/-JaA.txt
2021-08-10 14:29:06	suppl3	mingdao, Thanks!
2021-08-10 14:31:30	suppl3	h4rd3n3D, sounds good enough :D
2021-08-10 14:31:54	mingdao	How good is Roger Federer?  Maybe he just wants to know which balls Federer plays with.
2021-08-10 14:32:31	suppl3	imho, we should always try to use our time efficiently
2021-08-10 14:32:40	thrice	suppl3: you can browse the kde-applications list online to see what you might need
2021-08-10 14:33:02	thrice	dolphin, okular, konsole, gwenview, etc. for file browsing, PDFs, console, pictures
2021-08-10 14:33:55	mingdao	suppl3: The thing is you follow the Arch Installation Guide https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide and after you can reboot to a login prompt, the bottom of said guide has Post-installation
2021-08-10 14:33:56	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-10 14:34:00	suppl3	thrice: Thank you very much 
2021-08-10 14:34:13	thrice	https://archlinux.org/groups/x86_64/kde-applications/
2021-08-10 14:34:15	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - kde-applications (x86_64) - Group Details (at archlinux.org)
2021-08-10 14:34:29	mingdao	Arch isn't designed like those binary distros where you pick the DE and install and it's all done.  It's custom built, so you have to decide what you want.
2021-08-10 14:36:33	suppl3	mingdao, I know, the reason I asked is that you guys might know something that I don't, like for example let's say I want to scan a network but I don't know that nmap exists, but you could say that you find nmap useful. But I think you have already covered my question, so thank you all! :)
2021-08-10 14:37:16	tirnanog	suppl3: while it can't possibly be exhaustive, see https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/List_of_applications.
2021-08-10 14:44:52	mingdao	< suppl3> Hello! I installed KDE applications and I find that there are many games and stuff I dont want on my system, is there any FAST way to uninstall them instead of going one-by-one?
2021-08-10 14:44:56	mingdao	suppl3: Issue `pacman -Qq > installed-pkgs` to list all installed pkgs.  Then go through the list and see which games/pkgs you don't want.  Issue `pacman -R <pkgname>` and follow the instructions.
2021-08-10 14:46:16	mingdao	suppl3: Asking another Arch user's "application choice" is not a possible way to find out which pkgs kde-applications-meta installed that you don't want.
2021-08-10 14:52:12	mingdao	suppl3: This link will be helpful if you continue to use Arch https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks
2021-08-10 14:52:13	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-10 15:15:13	mcoffin	Ok, I'm gonna actually tackle this one, since not understanding it bothers me. A few months ago (maybe 4ish?) the archiso torrent downloads stopped working for me completely (both ktorrent and transmission exhibit the same behavior). It will get (seemingly randomly) between 10-30% of the way through the download (largely from web seeds), then stop completely, with 0 progress and no meaningful
2021-08-10 15:15:13	mcoffin	logs to 
2021-08-10 15:15:20	mcoffin	give me a jumping off point.
2021-08-10 15:16:29	mcoffin	I choc'd it up to probably a busted torrent or something, but finally tried it on a Windows box, just to confirm my suspicions (and rule out something with my ISP). It worked fine on Windows (and my GF's macOS machine as well). Same versions of transmission on all sides (I only got ktorrent to rule out a client-specific issue)
2021-08-10 15:17:01	mcoffin	So, any advice on where to get some more verbose logging info, or a lower-level torrent client to pick apart what's happening would be greatly appreciated :)
2021-08-10 15:19:16	mpan	Aside from testing nother client (like deluge) I see no steps to take. In particular since webseeds fail, which is weird at best.
2021-08-10 15:22:11	mingdao	Same here ... the present torrent works here with aria2c; maybe try another client to rule out your network, firewall, etc.
2021-08-10 15:33:18	jonathon	also, check the filesystem
2021-08-10 15:41:31	mcoffin	h4rd3n3D: Yes, haha :) I update anywhere from once a week, to multiple times a day depending on what kind of development I'm doing. This issue has persisted for (at least... I'm not sure exactly when it started), the last 4-5 months
2021-08-10 15:43:04	mcoffin	Nothing in my `IgnorePkg` either that should cause an issue (just libdrm and eksctl for the time being as I was doing some testing) - so nothing even remotely related unfortunately
2021-08-10 15:43:16	mingdao	mcoffin: pacman -S aria2 ; aria2c {,,,,,,,,,,} https://archlinux.org/releng/releases/2021.08.01/torrent/
2021-08-10 15:43:24	mingdao	mcoffin: Give that a try and see.
2021-08-10 15:45:29	mingdao	mcoffin: You will have enough output right in your terminal to share with the channel if it fails.  It will pick a mirror for you, also.
2021-08-10 15:47:27	mcoffin	mingdao: Yep that one's doing fine. DHT complained on first-start, but confirmed that error was just due to it not having yet created it's DHT cache, second run-through resolved it to work with no err/warn output
2021-08-10 15:48:01	mcoffin	So, the problem is *somehow* isolated to both transmission and ktorrent, but I've seen other users report those clients as working for them during the time span it's been broken for me
2021-08-10 15:49:57	mcoffin	Which is what's confusing, so I guess I'll intersect the deps on those two and see if there's any overlap on some library that might be messed up, though I don't know how that would be, as I don't *think* I have anything installed outside of the official repos that would even interact with that in any way (save for kernel, mesa, sway, all graphics-land things, nothing that would mess with a
2021-08-10 15:49:57	mcoffin	torrent 
2021-08-10 15:50:04	mcoffin	library I'd think)
2021-08-10 15:50:51	mcoffin	How unfortunate that the one client I chose to rule out a client-side issue turned out to suffer the same issue. I've been barking up the wrong tree xD
2021-08-10 15:51:20	mingdao	mcoffin: `pacman -R ktorrent` and/or `pacman -R transmission` and see the output.
2021-08-10 15:53:43	mingdao	mcoffin: I don't follow your last post, but https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Category:BitTorrent lists your choices from the official repo.
2021-08-10 15:53:44	phrik	Title: Category:BitTorrent - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-10 15:53:49	mcoffin	mingdao: I mean, I don't know what I'm looking for there, I went ahead and removed it as asked and re-installed, but I'm not following. The only thing of note I saw was the obviously-scary 3.00 version # for transmission, indicating a recent major potentially breaking release
2021-08-10 15:54:27	mcoffin	But there was nothing else in the output of that that wouldn't be expected for removal of a package
2021-08-10 15:54:37	mingdao	mcoffin: When you issue `pacman -R <pkg>` pacman won't let you remove the pkg and break deps; it will first list the deps.  Something like that.
2021-08-10 15:55:58	mingdao	mcoffin: `pacman -R gnome-desktop` https://0x0.st/-JBo.txt
2021-08-10 15:56:08	mcoffin	mingdao: Ah, I just use pacman -Qi to get dependency info. I apparently have things that depend on every dep that was installed as a dependency for ktorrent/transmission. Even -Rs would just remove those 2
2021-08-10 15:56:09	mingdao	Every picture tells a story, don't it?
2021-08-10 15:56:38	Constantin	How i can uninstall systemd and install openrc system init?
2021-08-10 15:57:07	Constantin	thank you in advance
2021-08-10 15:57:14	grazzolini	Constantin: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/OpenRC
2021-08-10 15:57:15	phrik	Title: OpenRC - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-10 15:57:20	Constantin	ty
2021-08-10 15:57:23	grazzolini	Constantin: it's not supported, you'd be on your own
2021-08-10 15:57:25	mingdao	mcoffin: IMO if you suspect an app is broken, and it doesn't log, then remove it and it's deps, do a full update `pacman -Syu`, reboot (cause of new kernel), then install the app again.  And read it's info to make sure you turn on logging then TIAS.
2021-08-10 15:57:30	mefistofeles	Constantin: make sure to read the warning
2021-08-10 15:57:44	Constantin	ok
2021-08-10 15:57:47	Constantin	thank you
2021-08-10 15:58:05	Constantin	i have almost 1 Terrabytes of my data on my SDD
2021-08-10 15:58:11	Constantin	i don`t want problems
2021-08-10 15:58:41	mefistofeles	Constantin: you want backups in any case :)
2021-08-10 15:59:40	mcoffin	mingdao: unfortunately, I've already gone through that, haha... I don't usually come to IRC for help these days. I 100% have a clean install of each of those, and *all* transitive dependencies as far as pacman is concerned, never did any config-file tweaking as I'm not a poweruser on those apps. I sort-of assumed this was a temporary incompatibility in the official repos, but when it didn't
2021-08-10 15:59:40	mcoffin	resolve for 
2021-08-10 15:59:46	mcoffin	months I started digging
2021-08-10 16:00:05	mcoffin	I've nuked the config directories, and even done a fresh install (on separate hardware), and experienced the behavior on that system as well
2021-08-10 16:00:31	mingdao	mcoffin: Have you researched how to make those apps log?
2021-08-10 16:01:56	mingdao	I only use aria2c, unless I want to download something and can't get a link.  It's man page states:
2021-08-10 16:01:59	mingdao	-l, --log=<LOG
2021-08-10 16:02:00	mingdao	The file name of the log file. If - is specified, log is written to stdout. If empty string("") is specified, or this option is omitted, no log is written to disk at all.
2021-08-10 16:03:39	mingdao	In the time (more than a decade) I've been using aria2c, the information in stdout has been sufficient.  I chose not to use GUI software when CLI software is available.  So long as it does a good job, which aria2c does for me.
2021-08-10 16:05:49	frat3rius	what exactly features does this package unable? https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/code-features/
2021-08-10 16:05:49	mcoffin	mingdao: yea you've already convinced me. I didn't know aria2 existed. at this point I'm just in it to figure out what happened so I can fix up whatever I've been doing to cause it before it creeps in to other things. the aria manpage was brief, and useful, which is really how a simple protocol implementation like that kind of client *should* be
2021-08-10 16:05:49	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - code-features (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-08-10 16:07:05	Namarrgon	frat3rius: https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/patch.sh?h=code-features
2021-08-10 16:07:06	phrik	Title: patch.sh - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-08-10 16:07:24	Namarrgon	what a terrible way to patch a package
2021-08-10 16:08:13	mcoffin	oh lawdy... and in a separate source file to boot
2021-08-10 16:08:20	frat3rius	ok here's some description about this package :D https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/code-marketplace/
2021-08-10 16:08:22	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - code-marketplace (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-08-10 16:08:56	⚡ 	mcoffin wonders if his coworkers are right and vscode really is that good now that it's coming up in here
2021-08-10 16:10:12	frat3rius	I'm using pylance a lot and I'd like to use it with vscode version without telemetry injected that's all
2021-08-10 16:11:31	frat3rius	I've been using neovim and vim for around ten years but I simply don't have enough time to keep customizing it and keeping up to date with all the plugins
2021-08-10 16:12:22	mcoffin	mingdao: TIL that transmission has a CLI. Not that I'll use it either anymore, but I did figure it out. It's trying to do a bunch of UPnP (which must have been a feature that came out in a release recently, or became "enable-by-default"). The download runs for a few milliseconds until my router picks up the UPnP request and applies the desired settings, and then it dies.
2021-08-10 16:12:32	frat3rius	and with this extension vscode is really nice: https://github.com/asvetliakov/vscode-neovim/
2021-08-10 16:12:49	mcoffin	So, gotta figure out why the UPnP rules make it fail, but at least the issue makes sense now
2021-08-10 16:12:56	mcoffin	Thanks for the help :_)
2021-08-10 16:14:08	mcoffin	frat3rius: What kinds of plugins do you actually have issues with? I tend to just put up with base16 + whatever the most popular syntax highlighting script is (if I don't like the defaults, which is rare)
2021-08-10 16:14:51	mcoffin	Just asking because despite my distaste for vimscript, my vim config has really been very low maintenance compared to most other things on my system, despite it being my most commonly used program
2021-08-10 16:15:19	mcoffin	transitioning to neovim took a bit of time, but that's about the only real substantial time I've put in to it in many many many years
2021-08-10 16:19:49	frat3rius	here's full list of my plugins: http://sprunge.us/rQb0xI
2021-08-10 16:22:16	frat3rius	mcoffin it's not that I've got problems all the time but after update some plugins tend to stop working as there was some rebuild, new requirements and so on, and recently I need a tool that simply works, I was playing around with pycharm as mainly I code with python but vscode won this competition
2021-08-10 16:25:01	mcoffin	Hmm... to be fair, I don't do any folding (not because it's not useful I just never sat down and learned it), and for the *most* part, I just run the linter with a hotkey (:call termopen or the likes), so a lot of the more complex plugins there just aren't in my suite
2021-08-10 16:25:23	mcoffin	I gotta be the only person on earth that never bothered to set up meaningful autocomplete
2021-08-10 16:25:36	mcoffin	I really should put some time in to my editor again...
2021-08-10 16:26:17	frat3rius	mcoffin yeah I was putting a lot and after a while it started to be to much simple as that
2021-08-10 16:27:24	frat3rius	autocompletion is a must have and the work that Shougo puts into his plugins is amazing, I love this guy!
2021-08-10 16:28:08	mcoffin	That's always been my take - if I switch languages tomorrow to something completely different, and this plugin wouldn't work, then it doesn't ever go in... It's made for a rock solid experience, and I've managed to develop very efficient ways of just interacting with cli tools effectively with scratch workspaces and whatnot, but I've always wondered if I'm missing out
2021-08-10 16:28:08	mingdao	mcoffin: Just briefly read, but it sounds like you do have a firewall issue.
2021-08-10 16:29:27	frat3rius	what is also great in https://github.com/asvetliakov/vscode-neovim/ is that plugins from neovim works in vscode without any additional work, fantastic extension
2021-08-10 16:29:34	mcoffin	mingdao: confirmed. router firmware was confirmed doing broken things with the UPnP requests from transmission. Not sure why, but that's what was up. Disabling UPnP for transmission worked, and any sane client that doesn't try to auto-poke firewall holes as a default works fine.
2021-08-10 16:29:54	mcoffin	basically, I need to get off my butt and put sane software on my router
2021-08-10 16:30:20	mcoffin	but, I'll just stick to aria for now, as it's not doing things I don't intend it to do, which makes me happier
2021-08-10 16:30:26	frat3rius	mcoffin have you tried mikrotik?
2021-08-10 16:31:18	frat3rius	I really enjoy using routerOS
2021-08-10 16:32:38	mcoffin	frat3rius: I have not. Believe it or not, I've just lived with the trash ISP-provided router software for like 10 years at this point just due to laziness... just haven't *quite* cared enough to go through that again
2021-08-10 16:34:13	mcoffin	Most of the networking performance I *care* about is internal anyways. Everything going out is only going to be 1Gb regardless, and I just haven't wanted to do it. I think if I go through it again I'd roll my own system from scratch as an exercise in hardening, though
2021-08-10 17:08:41	mcoffin	frat3rius: So looking through there, I think I still don't want most of that, but I might try folding... given I have no idea how it works, what would be a good place to start on that? The vim docs themselves seem super barebones, so I assume language-specific plugins are pretty encessary to make it livable (i.e. collapse-current-function/struct/impl/etc.)
2021-08-10 17:10:16	mcoffin	or maybe I should just try emacs if I'm going to go down the whole "integrate-lots-into-my-editor" path... idk. This is why I never end up doing anything with my editor and just stick with what I know haha
2021-08-10 17:14:21	tsujp	emacs > vim
2021-08-10 17:15:07	NetSysFire	!vim
2021-08-10 17:15:08	phrik	You can't stop here, this is vim country!
2021-08-10 17:15:11	NetSysFire	!emacs
2021-08-10 17:15:12	phrik	A great operating system lacking only a decent text editor
2021-08-10 17:30:53	⚡ 	mingdao hugs phrik 
2021-08-10 17:38:07	jimmy399	I have error. I'm setting up the local languages with setxkbmap, but the system ignore them few hours later, and jump back to english. 
2021-08-10 17:39:02	jimmy399	default arch install, openbox, and autosart in ~/.config/openbox/autostart set to run setxkbmap.
2021-08-10 17:39:27	jimmy399	and the end of line instert "&"
2021-08-10 17:39:34	jimmy399	*insert*
2021-08-10 17:39:50	jimmy399	oh, this is another laptop.
2021-08-10 17:40:59	jimmy399	This error is not bad and not terrible, but demitovation :D
2021-08-10 17:41:54	kap	I'm trying to get my CalDigit dock to wake up my Thinkpad T470s via thunderbolt plugin whilst the lid is closed. My friend has a mac and it works. I'm running arch linux with GNOME. Not even sure if this is something my laptop can do.
2021-08-10 17:42:03	jimmy399	I lot of times write in xterm that setxkbmap when the system jump to english
2021-08-10 18:10:51	mion	jimmy399: starting something like gnome session or the kde stuff for some reason?
2021-08-10 18:16:58	grazzolini	jimmy399: you shouldn't be relying on setxkbmap for this. use localectl for *permanantely* setting the keyboard layout.
2021-08-10 18:21:20	jimmy399	grazzolini: I set with localectl, when i write the command "localectl" in xterm show me the "hu" Vc keymap and X11 Layout: "hu"
2021-08-10 18:21:41	jimmy399	but the system reset to eng
2021-08-10 18:21:46	jimmy399	english.
2021-08-10 18:21:54	grazzolini	jimmy399: that depends on the DE you might be using
2021-08-10 18:22:00	jimmy399	no de
2021-08-10 18:22:03	grazzolini	some do mess with the layout settings
2021-08-10 18:22:06	jimmy399	only openbox.
2021-08-10 18:22:08	grazzolini	jimmy399: no WM I know of does that.
2021-08-10 18:22:19	jimmy399	okay
2021-08-10 18:22:21	grazzolini	having said that, some DM's might
2021-08-10 18:22:55	jimmy399	mion I wouldn't like to install kde or gnome.
2021-08-10 18:23:48	mion	I asked if you had started something like that, as they like to override keyboard settings
2021-08-10 18:25:02	jimmy399	oh, I understand. I have not installed another DM or DE. I install some De or wm to try it?
2021-08-10 18:25:21	grazzolini	jimmy399: which DM are you using?
2021-08-10 18:25:37	mion	no
2021-08-10 18:25:47	jimmy399	don't use DM
2021-08-10 18:25:52	jimmy399	only console
2021-08-10 18:26:07	jimmy399	set vconsle.conf to hu
2021-08-10 18:26:16	mion	and you might not have started them intentionally, some other program might have started one of the kde/gnome session/settings managers
2021-08-10 18:26:40	mion	wait until the keyboard layout changes again and then check the process tree
2021-08-10 18:27:07	jimmy399	okay mion 
2021-08-10 18:27:21	grazzolini	jimmy399: are you using xinit?
2021-08-10 18:27:28	jimmy399	yes, I'm.
2021-08-10 18:28:04	jimmy399	I write to .xinitrc simple line openbox-session
2021-08-10 18:28:29	jimmy399	I have to write "&" end of line?
2021-08-10 18:28:30	grazzolini	jimmy399: so, there's something you're running, as mion said, that's reverting the layout
2021-08-10 18:28:47	jimmy399	oh, this is bad.
2021-08-10 18:29:14	jimmy399	I run only qbittorrent xterm and hexchat.
2021-08-10 18:30:07	jimmy399	and samba file share , webmin vnstatd , minitorix
2021-08-10 18:30:16	jimmy399	as a service
2021-08-10 18:30:39	SysGhost	See the xinitrc as a simple script. When it quits, the X session quits. So one wants it to stay for as long as one runs the environment one launched from it. Usually the lat line has no & after it in order for it to "stay alive".
2021-08-10 18:31:39	jimmy399	okay, I wrote "&" chacarcter end of line.
2021-08-10 18:31:47	jimmy399	*character*
2021-08-10 18:32:21	SysGhost	then it'll go straight for the next line, and if tehre aren't any, xinit quits and kills the X session with it
2021-08-10 18:32:36	mion	setxkbmap is a oneshot so that part of it doesn't really matter
2021-08-10 18:33:57	jimmy399	mion: interesting
2021-08-10 18:34:23	jimmy399	I have more to learn.
2021-08-10 18:34:45	jimmy399	Such an error has not occurred before.
2021-08-10 18:34:57	jimmy399	*this error*
2021-08-10 18:35:33	SysGhost	the & at the end tells the system to put whatever that was launched in the background and "don't wait for it"
2021-08-10 19:17:08	docmax	is here anyone skilled to help me booting an iscsi target via >>WIFI<< ??
2021-08-10 19:17:17	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-10 19:42:34	lakiluki	Hey, I know I've already asked this -- but I'm trying my luck again :^)
2021-08-10 19:43:02	lakiluki	Anyone has an idea on what's the easiest (or any) to build an Arch VM image inside docker, without using qemu/kvm?
2021-08-10 19:43:40	lakiluki	I'm trying to build it as part of the Dockerfile build procedure and pretty much just want to add a root authorized_keys file
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2021-08-10 19:47:11	vulpine	cant you just pacstrap your arch vm image?
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2021-08-10 19:48:28	greyltc	lakiluki: have you seen this? https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/arch-boxes
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2021-08-10 19:48:30	phrik	Title: Arch Linux / arch-boxes · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2021-08-10 19:48:55	chazy	hi, any idea why am i getting this error when i try to run steam-native? 
2021-08-10 19:48:55	lakiluki	vulpine: huh, I havent considered pacstrap as its seriously been a while since I've done a standard arch install
2021-08-10 19:48:57	chazy	"ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib32/libSDL2-2.0.so.0.14.0' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32): ignored."
2021-08-10 19:49:12	mcoffin	lakiluki: are you trying to use the image in a VM afterwards? Or you JUST need the docker container
2021-08-10 19:49:34	lakiluki	greyltc: my idea originally was to use arch-boxes, but I cant mount a qcow2 image inside a docker container, and I cant build a new box either, since it uses qemu
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2021-08-10 19:50:03	lakiluki	mcoffin: trying to build an Arch VM image to be later used with qemu/kvm in a privileged docker container
2021-08-10 19:50:21	lakiluki	the whole idea is kinda scuffed, but oh well
2021-08-10 19:50:47	lakiluki	I'm also building a custom kernel/initramfs inside the same Docker container
2021-08-10 19:51:01	lakiluki	to be later used for fuzzing Arch with Syzkaller, inside Docker
2021-08-10 19:51:10	greyltc	lakiluki: "much just want to add a root authorized_keys file" so you can just download an existing image and modify it, right?
2021-08-10 19:51:13	lakiluki	since I want to try it out and easily deploy on other systems
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2021-08-10 19:51:51	lakiluki	greyltc: that was also an idea, but it seems mounting qcow2 is kinda cursed for whatever reason, since qemu-nbd is used and it seems to be the only option
2021-08-10 19:51:57	lakiluki	and im trying to avoid qemu
2021-08-10 19:52:21	lakiluki	I could possibly maybe convert it to a raw image, modify it and convert it back to qcow2, but that's /really/ janky
2021-08-10 19:53:22	greyltc	i dunno, there must be a ton of tools for dealing with qcow images, maybe you just haven't found the right one yet
2021-08-10 19:54:01	lakiluki	greyltc: yeah, but they all seem to rely on some kind of virtualization. qcow2 seems to be really weird
2021-08-10 19:54:19	lakiluki	I havent found a single tool that doesnt use qemu or some kind of virtualization to mount/modify it
2021-08-10 19:54:23	greyltc	should be like a fuse image mounter you can use
2021-08-10 19:55:17	greyltc	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libguestfs maybe?
2021-08-10 19:55:18	phrik	Title: libguestfs - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2021-08-10 19:55:36	greyltc	i feel like i've done this before...
2021-08-10 19:55:59	lakiluki	greyltc: ill try a fuse based alternative, but I'm also kinda skeptical. libguestfs didn't work either
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2021-08-10 19:57:06	mcoffin	lakiluki: I mean you can get a lot of the filesystem layout done in docker, but partitioning and whatnot obviously would still be separate
2021-08-10 19:57:15	mcoffin	as docker doesn't know anything about underlying filesystems
2021-08-10 19:57:58	mcoffin	so I guess if it were me, and I wanted to do it that way for some reason, I would do what I wanted in docker, then rsync (or something similar) the whole FS into a disk image
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2021-08-10 19:59:44	lakiluki	mcoffin: couldn't I do it all in a raw disk image? partition the raw file, and setup everything inside the file, from Docker?
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2021-08-10 20:00:10	lakiluki	but yeah, it seems that I possibly coudn't even mount a raw image inside a docker build procedure, as I would need a loop device, I assume
2021-08-10 20:00:36	lakiluki	which would work when running a privileged container, but not in a build procedure
2021-08-10 20:00:49	mcoffin	well I mean you could write out a disk image, then using privileged abilities, mount it as a loopback, then chroot, but honestly it kinda seems like it might be use of a tool that isn't really meant for that job
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2021-08-10 20:01:49	lakiluki	mcoffin: yeah, it definitely does seem that way. however, I think running syzkaller inside qemu/kvm inside a privileged docker container would actually be kindof fine
2021-08-10 20:02:07	lakiluki	and if that's actually the case, I would also like to keep the rest of the build in Docker
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2021-08-10 20:02:26	lakiluki	since it all works except this one thing I didn't think would be that much of an issue
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2021-08-10 20:04:17	lakiluki	i'm just trying to build a portable way to set up syzkaller
2021-08-10 20:04:31	lakiluki	and couldn't think of any better options, really
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2021-08-10 20:05:01	lakiluki	it would come with a noticable overhead I guess, but oh well
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2021-08-10 20:05:23	lakiluki	it's for my master's thesis, so it doesnt matter that much anyways :^^)
2021-08-10 20:08:24	docmax	how can i pass options to mkinitcpio modules?
2021-08-10 20:08:36	grawity	what kind of options?
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2021-08-10 20:08:45	docmax	iwlwifi 11n_disable=1 swcrypto=0 bt_coex_active=0 power_save=0
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2021-08-10 20:09:21	grawity	if you have those in /etc/modprobe.d, the 'modconf' hook will make sure to copy that to the initramfs
2021-08-10 20:09:47	docmax	i want them only for initramfs... not my regular system
2021-08-10 20:10:02	grawity	kinda doesn't make sense, as kernel modules usually remain loaded the whole time
2021-08-10 20:10:16	grawity	modules loaded by the initramfs don't get unloaded when switching root
2021-08-10 20:10:26	docmax	oh ok, didnt know
2021-08-10 20:10:38	grawity	(in fact that's kind of the main reason for having an initramfs -- so that it could load modules for your rootfs disk, etc.)
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2021-08-10 20:11:13	grawity	though I'm not sure why those options would be *needed* in the initramfs but not the real system
2021-08-10 20:11:29	grawity	if something is broken, isn't it equally broken on both?
2021-08-10 20:11:45	docmax	simple. the module is crashing in initramfs, but not on normal boot
2021-08-10 20:11:53	docmax	why can this be?
2021-08-10 20:12:00	docmax	its about iwlwifi
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2021-08-10 20:12:28	docmax	i try to make a initramfs which connects to iscsi target at boot
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2021-08-10 20:14:58	Namarrgon	did you use the MODULES array to add the module?
2021-08-10 20:15:00	Namarrgon	or FILES?
2021-08-10 20:15:09	docmax	modules
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2021-08-10 20:15:25	Namarrgon	how is it "crashing"?
2021-08-10 20:15:40	docmax	iwlwifi microcode sw error
2021-08-10 20:16:06	grawity	can't think of a good reason why it would be different in the initramfs
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2021-08-10 20:16:20	grawity	unless it's actually connecting to a different AP on a different band or something
2021-08-10 20:16:29	Namarrgon	do the module options from above work around that?
2021-08-10 20:16:33	docmax	yeah crazy... it's not connecting
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2021-08-10 20:18:37	docmax	i will add cfg80211 module..
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2021-08-10 20:25:16	chazy	any idea why i can't run steam (native) with sdl2? i'm getting this error: ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib32/libSDL2-2.0.so.0.14.0' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32): ignored.
2021-08-10 20:25:53	ℹ 	syntaxma1 es conocido ahora como syntaxman
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2021-08-10 20:31:56	Namarrgon	"with sdl2"?
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2021-08-10 20:33:58	mion	you need lib32
2021-08-10 20:34:54	grawity	that message on its own doesn't really prevent anything
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2021-08-10 21:08:17	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-08-10 21:08:17	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1272 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1271 normals)
2021-08-10 20:36:25	mion	chazy: pacman -Q steam-native-runtime
2021-08-10 20:44:49	docmax	grawity, https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=214031
2021-08-10 20:49:21	Namarrgon	docmax: compare the lsmod output in the initramfs and the regular system
2021-08-10 20:52:57	docmax	Namarrgon, what exactly? I have less modules in initramfs
2021-08-10 20:54:09	Namarrgon	compare the usual suspects like crypt- and hash-related modules
2021-08-10 20:54:15	Namarrgon	*crypto
2021-08-10 20:55:29	docmax	crypto_simd            16384  1 aesni_intel
2021-08-10 20:55:29	docmax	cryptd                 28672  2 crypto_simd,ghash_clmulni_intel
2021-08-10 20:55:34	tchab	hi
2021-08-10 20:55:56	grawity	note that "crypt-related" does not necessarily mean "it has 'crypt' in its name"
2021-08-10 20:56:00	docmax	i dont know which ones to include?
2021-08-10 20:56:08	grawity	the ones that show up in lsmod after connecting
2021-08-10 20:56:10	grawity	though
2021-08-10 20:56:23	grawity	I am not sure why a missing one would cause the firmware to crash
2021-08-10 20:56:36	grawity	it usually manifests as the kernel itself refusing to connect
2021-08-10 20:57:01	grawity	but for example, 'ctr' and 'ccm' are crypto modules needed for WPA2
2021-08-10 20:57:37	docmax	ok but i haven't even set up wpa_supplicant
2021-08-10 20:59:32	nikolas	hi there
2021-08-10 21:02:00	Namarrgon	grawity: not a missing so much but a different implementation
2021-08-10 21:02:19	Namarrgon	one of the hw accelerated or sse optimized ones
2021-08-10 21:05:54	jamesp	I'm wondering how to install proprietary codecs to Arch, and might need some more knowledge on pacman.
2021-08-10 21:06:23	Namarrgon	codecs for what?
2021-08-10 21:06:31	Namarrgon	!aw pacman
2021-08-10 21:06:31	phrik	Namarrgon: Pacman - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman
2021-08-10 21:06:37	Namarrgon	!aw rosetta
2021-08-10 21:06:37	phrik	Namarrgon: No results found.
2021-08-10 21:06:48	jamesp	examples include h264, aac, etc
2021-08-10 21:07:32	Namarrgon	ffmpeg includes most of what you need already
2021-08-10 21:07:41	Namarrgon	maybe not aac
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2021-08-10 21:12:14	Namarrgon	"ffmpeg -codecs" lists at least the native aac en-/decoder but i don't know how it compares to the frauenhofer one or what features it's missing
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2021-08-10 21:14:15	Mysterytrain	aac too
2021-08-10 21:14:36	Mysterytrain	at least, ive never had a problem playin it
2021-08-10 21:17:28	grawity	IIRC the native one used to suck ~10 years ago, but now the ffmpeg website says it's "currently the second highest-quality AAC encoder available in FFmpeg"
2021-08-10 21:17:55	grawity	not sure how true that is
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2021-08-10 21:21:37	grawity	though it also says that fdk_aac is needed for HE-AAC encoding
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2021-08-10 21:21:51	Namarrgon	i see that libfdk_aac is in the repos now but ffmpesg is built without support for it
2021-08-10 21:21:56	Namarrgon	*ffmpeg
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2021-08-10 22:01:07	sangy	wait, I could've arch-installed
2021-08-10 22:01:15	sangy	does it #justwork?
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2021-08-10 22:04:46	Namarrgon	sometimes it works
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2021-08-10 22:23:14	sangy	and when it doesn't what happens?
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2021-08-10 22:32:10	alad	then you just say arch sucks and use the ubuntu installer
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2021-08-10 22:39:36	sangy	alad: solid 
2021-08-10 22:39:38	sangy	!ping
2021-08-10 22:39:38	phrik	pong
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2021-08-10 22:45:51	NoobAlice	!grab alad
2021-08-10 22:45:51	phrik	NoobAlice: Tada!
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2021-08-10 22:47:59	ℹ 	alad es conocido ahora como connor4real
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2021-08-10 22:52:22	sangy	ended up just doing the blind copying of the wiki approach
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2021-08-10 22:52:40	sangy	stuck on a bootlop AMA
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2021-08-10 22:53:21	Namarrgon	is this about the pxe thingy?
2021-08-10 22:53:26	susi_	ttyAMA0
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2021-08-10 22:53:47	ℹ 	susi_ es conocido ahora como susi
2021-08-10 22:53:58	connor4real	sangy: is your boot loop a circle or a square
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2021-08-10 22:56:20	sangy	connor4real: looks square
2021-08-10 22:56:26	sangy	Namarrgon: pxe thingy yes
2021-08-10 22:56:28	connor4real	!hmmm
2021-08-10 22:56:29	phrik	https://i.redd.it/6sg63uxoyhoz.jpg
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2021-08-10 22:56:39	sangy	ttyAYYYLMAO
2021-08-10 22:57:00	sangy	what am I doing with these 96 cores? booting for perpetuity
2021-08-10 22:57:13	◣	kap (~kap@104.246.134.145) ha salido (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2021-08-10 22:57:24	Namarrgon	does it boot fast at least?
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2021-08-10 22:57:36	connor4real	phrik: grab sangy
2021-08-10 22:57:36	phrik	connor4real: Tada!
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2021-08-10 22:58:09	ℹ 	xoan7 es conocido ahora como xoan
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2021-08-10 22:58:33	sangy	Namarrgon: no, it's a dell blade server, so it does like 30 seconds of 'look ma, I'm loading some shitty "lifecycle manager"'
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2021-08-10 22:59:02	sangy	> loading BIOS drivers
2021-08-10 22:59:05	sangy	smh
2021-08-10 22:59:05	Namarrgon	oh, 96 x86 cores... i though it was some newfangled arm system
2021-08-10 22:59:13	sangy	just boot bro, don't load that shite
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2021-08-10 22:59:41	sangy	> initializing firmware settings
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2021-08-10 22:59:56	sangy	I said boot, how hard can it be? here, let me read you the bytes...
2021-08-10 23:00:01	Namarrgon	don't rush it, it'll flip a bit
2021-08-10 23:00:16	dav1d	luckily it also does a ram check which takes another 3 minutes 
2021-08-10 23:00:17	Namarrgon	or the raid controller will accidently something
2021-08-10 23:00:20	sangy	and this is "warm boot" I don't want to imagine
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2021-08-10 23:00:50	sangy	k, now it boots, nice
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2021-08-10 23:01:34	connor4real	sangy: a cold boot might be like those german trains which take 2 hours to boot
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2021-08-10 23:03:23	sangy	probably needs me to go punch some trees, make a pickaxe out of wood, mine some coal and throw it in the furnace before midnight
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2021-08-10 23:04:13	thurstylark	a CPU is just a rock we tricked into thinking
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2021-08-10 23:04:49	ℹ 	connor4real es conocido ahora como alad
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2021-08-10 23:05:48	Namarrgon	alad: the modern ones boot faster but are still always two hours late
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2021-08-10 23:07:50	alad	come to germany they said, it will be efficient, they said
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2021-08-11 20:14:34	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-08-11 20:14:34	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1294 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1293 normals)
2021-08-11 17:04:39	HawkinsTheWizard	I dont find anything on bugs or forums.  anyone else having firewalld problems since last update?
2021-08-11 17:05:02	HawkinsTheWizard	not forwarding packets
2021-08-11 17:09:20	grazzolini	nij-: no, you can't guarantee
2021-08-11 17:11:44	thrice	unplug from the internet, and only use it in your basement
2021-08-11 17:17:24	HawkinsTheWizard	maybe I should read this: https://firewalld.org/2021/06/the-upcoming-1-0-0
2021-08-11 17:17:25	phrik	Title: The Upcoming v1.0.0 | firewalldThe Upcoming v1.0.0 | firewalld (at firewalld.org)
2021-08-11 17:21:36	john_rambo	While using Mint I was using Timeshift so that in case of breakage I can restore my system ......I found that Timeshift is not in the main repos .....What tool does Arch users use for system restore ?
2021-08-11 17:22:46	john_rambo	Timeshift may be available in AUR .....but is it the preferred tool among Arch users ?
2021-08-11 17:23:57	MrAureliusR	argh, pipewire is driving me nuts the past few days
2021-08-11 17:24:02	mpan	john_rambo: not that I use that, but you can use plain btrfs snapshots.
2021-08-11 17:24:49	john_rambo	mpan: But I chose EXT4 for both / & /home
2021-08-11 17:29:19	mongy	timeshift works fine, very simple tool.  supports rsync when non-btrfs.
2021-08-11 17:34:56	john_rambo	mongy: Timeshift wont aalow me to create a snapshot. It wrongly reports that I am in Live USB mode https://mega.nz/file/v2AxmI4R#An-_qR06P7Kn4KZ-RRr7mn9i2pfzdu2ucZmgDBYDmP8
2021-08-11 17:37:05	mongy	did you run the wizard and answer the questions?
2021-08-11 17:38:16	john_rambo	mongy: The wizard wont progress unless I select a "Snapshot location"  Nothing is appearing which I can select
2021-08-11 17:45:10	mongy	ugh, did he leave?
2021-08-11 17:47:18	HawkinsTheWizard	wait what?  this doesnt seem right. fix(zone): target: default is now similar to reject
2021-08-11 17:50:46	oramirite	I seem to be having some issues getting the nvidia driver to work. I'm trying to use nvidia-container-toolkit ultimately, but while troubleshooting I'm realizing that the driver doesn't even seem to be loading. Running 'lspci -nnk -d ,device ID>' only shows 'Kernel modules: nouveau' and I don't have any nvidia devices under /dev
2021-08-11 17:51:16	oramirite	Admittedly I did do a bunch of VFIO hacks to get GPU passthrough on a VM working but I think I just undid all of those and am still having no luck
2021-08-11 17:51:56	oramirite	(re-ran mkinitcpio without the VFIO modules, removes PCI device isolation from bootloader commandline, etc)
2021-08-11 17:52:38	HawkinsTheWizard	but. this:  Intra-zone forwarding by default
2021-08-11 17:54:04	dfg	what is a good standalone compositor? i switched to picom recently but its buggy as all hell, is there anything else worth using?
2021-08-11 17:55:51	jonathon	i was going to suggest picom...
2021-08-11 17:56:05	jonathon	the bugs tend to be down to selecting the correct options for your gpu
2021-08-11 17:58:07	⚡ 	mongy enables smart join/quit weechat thingy
2021-08-11 18:02:56	jonathon	"/join #archlinux" -> "Access denied, you are running !notarch". Hm. Smart Join. :D
2021-08-11 18:03:23	dfg	hm maybe ill fiddle with the settings some more
2021-08-11 18:03:38	jonathon	also, i wish that smart filter functionality existed for Quassel
2021-08-11 18:04:06	HawkinsTheWizard	haha. thats a nice one
2021-08-11 18:05:16	NetSysFire	jonathon: what do you mean steamos isnt supported?!
2021-08-11 18:07:24	jonathon	XD
2021-08-11 18:12:48	nij-	I get lost while reading (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/nftables). I know little about networking.. could someone share some pointers for me to get started?
2021-08-11 18:13:04	nij-	Eventually, I want to understand exactly what a firewall does.
2021-08-11 18:14:59	niki	I'm sure you read the basic concepts section of the iptables page?
2021-08-11 18:16:10	nij-	niki:  Thanks, I will try that. h4rd3n3D will do! Just wish to have a slightly structured guide.
2021-08-11 18:23:25	nij-	I have only one personal computer for daily use. I have no servers.
2021-08-11 18:23:36	nij-	Where should I backup by keypair then?
2021-08-11 18:23:51	nij-	s/by/my   ## 
2021-08-11 18:24:21	alad	jonathon: nothing exists for quassel
2021-08-11 18:26:29	nij-	Should I register a linode server, and put my private key inside?
2021-08-11 18:29:05	grazzolini	nij-: you are asking the wrong questions
2021-08-11 18:33:18	nij-	grazzolini: What would be a correct question?
2021-08-11 18:38:51	ocherno_	nij, what private key pair are you referring to?
2021-08-11 18:43:35	grazzolini	nij-: the correct question would be: what am I trying to protect against?
2021-08-11 18:44:10	zeraphel	hello #arch,  my audio had stopped working since last update /o\  I've disabled all changes i've done to pulseaudio and restarted it, no effect.  I'm noticing i don't hear static when i plug in the headphones into the output jacks at all
2021-08-11 18:47:19	zeraphel	And there weren't any more .pacnew's generated from said update.  I'd appreciate hints,  means to detect weather this is a hardware problem would also be swell
2021-08-11 18:49:02	NetSysFire	!give zeraphel aw debugging regressions
2021-08-11 18:49:03	phrik	zeraphel: Debugging regressions - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debugging_regressions
2021-08-11 18:51:28	zeraphel	Thanks NetSysFire, i knew i could count on you
2021-08-11 18:51:33	HawkinsTheWizard	zeraphel, so have you moved/renamed your old .config/pulse 
2021-08-11 18:51:40	NetSysFire	zeraphel: i even wrote that guide
2021-08-11 18:52:15	HawkinsTheWizard	I'm more understanding than NetSysFire because I have whisky
2021-08-11 18:55:57	HawkinsTheWizard	oh. I should put my method in order.   assuming (yes yes) that you are using pulseaudio and not pipewire, stop pulse before moving the config. 'systemctl --user stop pulseaudio'  then move configs
2021-08-11 18:56:34	zeraphel	HawkinsTheWizard: I had initially commented out my additions to ~/.config/pulse/default.pa.  having moved it elsewhere im getting nothing different beside a missing cookie in systemctl status
2021-08-11 18:57:05	zeraphel	A pair of usb headphones has and continues to work with or without the ~/.config/pulse
2021-08-11 18:57:26	HawkinsTheWizard	might need to make sure its dead by doing a pulseaudio -k
2021-08-11 18:57:48	zeraphel	i've done that, yep
2021-08-11 18:58:58	HawkinsTheWizard	are you using pulseeffects?
2021-08-11 18:59:18	grazzolini	HawkinsTheWizard: don't you mean easyeffects?
2021-08-11 18:59:28	HawkinsTheWizard	no
2021-08-11 18:59:38	HawkinsTheWizard	but maybe that too?
2021-08-11 18:59:39	zeraphel	nope, not using that
2021-08-11 19:00:02	zeraphel	i *was* using ladspa and rtp pulse modules
2021-08-11 19:00:02	grazzolini	HawkinsTheWizard: pulseeffects was pipewire only for a long time, even before renaming to easyeffects
2021-08-11 19:00:51	HawkinsTheWizard	zeraphel, me too. but also still have to sort that getting that sorted out.
2021-08-11 19:01:12	HawkinsTheWizard	theres a AUR pulseeffects-legacy that onecan still use the old oneadad
2021-08-11 19:02:05	HawkinsTheWizard	no jack? or something?
2021-08-11 19:04:21	zeraphel	Im actually not sure if pulse is the problem,  the output audio jacks appear to be dead
2021-08-11 19:05:12	NetSysFire	if you suspect its a hardware issue, try a liveiso of any distro
2021-08-11 19:05:18	NetSysFire	or even the bios if it supports that
2021-08-11 19:07:11	zeraphel	Yeah i suspect ill spend tonight doing just that
2021-08-11 19:23:55	larch	Howdy folks.  I've just upgaded my system, and I think the new kernel might be having issues.  Anyone else having troubles?  I can't get dmesg or sysctl -a to return propertly.  Nor ip route, ip addr etc.  
2021-08-11 19:26:07	coruja	larch: all command you mentioned work fine and as expected here
2021-08-11 19:26:12	coruja	commands
2021-08-11 19:27:08	coruja	assuming with new kernel you mean 5.13.9
2021-08-11 19:28:20	larch	That's right.  I'm downgrading to 5.13.7 which was my previous.
2021-08-11 19:28:29	larch	Very strange behavior now.
2021-08-11 19:29:17	larch	Disabling docker on start seemed to help me be able to log in, and then everything seemed to work for a minute, but then it hung again like something is blocking maybe name resolution or something.  Can't ping out, etc.
2021-08-11 19:29:27	Scimmia	!errors
2021-08-11 19:29:27	phrik	Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2021-08-11 19:30:02	larch	The commands don't finish, so there aren't errors.  When I try to ping, I get no route to host.
2021-08-11 19:30:38	larch	sysctl -a gets about half way and then just stops printing output.
2021-08-11 19:31:05	larch	But that shouldn't rely on network/name resolution, etc.
2021-08-11 19:35:14	larch	5.13.7 has the same behavior after downgrading, which was working fine for a few weeks.
2021-08-11 19:36:37	larch	What might cause 'ip link' to hang without returning anything?  Can't kill it either.
2021-08-11 19:45:51	grawity	cat /proc/<PID>/stack
2021-08-11 19:48:51	larch	A few processes are locked up on entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe
2021-08-11 19:50:43	larch	I'm downgrading iwd to try again.  I was able to get dmesg output right when I logged in, journalctl -kf, and looks like iwd was crashing or disconnecting and reconnecting in quick succession.
2021-08-11 20:10:02	wizonesolutions	Bit of a long shot, but has anyone gotten the touch bar working with reduced functionality on Macbook14,3? I followed the steps from https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux and tried https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/macbook12-spi-driver-dkms/, but no joy. I still have the Apple firmware on my EFI partition (I reinstalled macOS), but that doesn't seem to be enough.
2021-08-11 20:10:03	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - macbook12-spi-driver-dkms (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-08-11 20:10:39	wizonesolutions	It's not a huge deal since I'm going to use the install primarily for Home Assistant and can control it from other computers, but it'd be nice to get working.
2021-08-11 20:14:34	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-11 20:43:03	chazy	i got a nice and beefy 6900 xt gpu for some serious gaming and i'm not sure if i should keep dual booting or should instead rely on hardware passthrough to have windows inside a VM, passing through an ssd and the gpu, while leaving my old gpu for arch
2021-08-11 20:43:35	chazy	i'd prefer the VM approach but is it really worth it?
2021-08-11 20:44:09	chazy	does someone where game on a VM?
2021-08-11 20:44:15	chazy	here*
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2021-08-11 20:44:38	teraflops	I game on plain linux
2021-08-11 20:45:00	chazy	yeah, i mean mostly online games with those stupid propietary kernel-level anti-cheats
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2021-08-11 20:45:56	teraflops	my game profile is not this serius tho
2021-08-11 20:46:03	teraflops	serious*
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2021-08-11 20:46:56	chazy	some of the games can be patched but i don't wanna risk it and get banned, specially accounts i've put so much effort and even money in some
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2021-08-11 21:24:41	Betal	chazy: yes, and it works fine if your motherboard supports it 
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2021-08-11 21:36:02	chazy	Betal: you mean enable virtualization and iommu for security?
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2021-08-11 22:09:58	ℹ 	smlavine_ es conocido ahora como smlavine
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2021-08-11 22:21:06	Betal	chazy: not really "for security", you need both for pci passthrough
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2021-08-11 22:21:47	chazy	i read iommu is like a security feature for pcie devices not having "full" access to ram
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2021-08-11 22:22:29	chazy	maybe it does other stuff, but i only read about that
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2021-08-11 22:23:32	BeefEater	I am looking for help as a newbie with makepkg and PKGBUILD. I need to compile the HEAD version of a package from github, rather than a tagged release. Any pointers are much appreciated.
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2021-08-11 22:25:48	Betal	BeefEater: probably you want a -git package, check https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VCS_package_guidelines
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2021-08-11 22:51:02	lucenera	When I install Arch from a USB stick the console has solid and colorful graphics. How do I get the same effect after installation? The console becomes undefined and black and white.
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2021-08-12 16:16:23	dieggsy	h4rd3n3D: i mean, DEs are a matter of preference regardless
2021-08-12 16:16:29	demonicmaniac	but that's only 1/3 or 1/4th the space then obviously
2021-08-12 16:16:46	dieggsy	I think i'm not worried enough about my storage for the costs involved, SSD is fine for now lol
2021-08-12 16:16:50	demonicmaniac	so 10gb of slc cache on a qlc drive would be 40gb of "actual" space
2021-08-12 16:18:47	Confusioned	In case anyone askas again about changing wallpapers in XFCE: It is ootb configurable in wallpaper settings
2021-08-12 16:21:13	dieggsy	Confusioned: auto changing? cool, i don't actually use xfce
2021-08-12 16:21:21	dieggsy	i guess i have in the past
2021-08-12 16:21:54	Confusioned	Yes, at least you can configure it this way in the dialogue, dieggsy... even per workspace differently!
2021-08-12 16:22:15	Confusioned	What do you use?
2021-08-12 16:22:46	Confusioned	i3, I bet, like a good archer ;)
2021-08-12 16:26:26	coruja	good archers use sway these days ;)
2021-08-12 16:29:41	⚡ 	deltasquared waves his bspwm flag in the corner.
2021-08-12 16:30:02	mullagain	maybe a dumb question. Arch is my desktop, is there a way to reload the nvidia driver/module without restarting?
2021-08-12 16:30:38	nij-	bspwm lets you config via shell scripts on live, no?
2021-08-12 16:30:51	dieggsy	Confusioned: I use bspwm
2021-08-12 16:31:10	dieggsy	nij-: essentially yes
2021-08-12 16:31:28	phrik	Title: Fonts - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-12 16:31:45	deltasquared	nij-: well, everything is done via a socket. where invocations of bspc (it's command line tool) come from, it cares not.
2021-08-12 16:31:49	dieggsy	I will switch to wayland as soon as there's a feature equivalent bspwm for wayland, and no I won't write it myself lol
2021-08-12 16:32:03	nij-	I use stumpwm.
2021-08-12 16:32:11	deltasquared	nij-: typical setup for keybinds is to use simple x hotkey daemon for instance.
2021-08-12 16:32:29	deltasquared	(assuming I remembered the expansion of sxhkd correctly)
2021-08-12 16:32:39	dieggsy	just say sxhkd jaja
2021-08-12 16:33:00	deltasquared	dieggsy: sex hukkud.
2021-08-12 16:33:01	⚡ 	deltasquared ducks
2021-08-12 16:33:12	dieggsy	nij-: i tried exwm and stumpwm for a bit in previous lispiness peak. was pretty cool
2021-08-12 16:33:13	nij-	quack quack
2021-08-12 16:33:30	nij-	what is "the previous lispiness peak" xD
2021-08-12 16:33:33	llevis	#j linuxmusicians
2021-08-12 16:33:39	llevis	lol nvm
2021-08-12 16:35:05	dieggsy	nij-: the previous peak of my lisp adventures, as opposed to my CURRENT peak of lisp adventures jajaja
2021-08-12 16:35:48	grazzolini	mullagain: is nvidia the card you're currently using? if so, no, you can't reload the driver without restarting.
2021-08-12 16:35:59	nij-	ha gotya
2021-08-12 16:36:11	nij-	im still in
2021-08-12 16:36:19	nij-	my current peak of my lisp adventure
2021-08-12 16:39:00	mullagain	grazzolini: 2060 Super
2021-08-12 16:40:54	grazzolini	mullagain: I didn't ask for your card's model, I asked if it is the primary card, the one you're currently using to display stuff on. regardless of that, why do you want to reload the driver?
2021-08-12 16:45:17	mullagain	grazzolini: sorry, distracted :). yeah its my only card. I was just curious, in winblowz you can reload video drivers. But i'm not complaining, just curious :)
2021-08-12 16:48:24	grazzolini	mullagain: afaik, on windows you can reload the same driver, not a new version. for a new version, you have to restart. linux usually has no need for reloading stuff, but it's doable. however, since the video driver is what you're using in the first place to see stuff, you can't reload it. however, if you had a serial console, for example, you could reload it just fine. you could even go further
2021-08-12 16:48:24	grazzolini	and load a newer version of the 
2021-08-12 16:48:24	grazzolini	driver, presuming you had one built for the currently running kernel.
2021-08-12 16:49:45	mullagain	yeah, I was thinking of something kind of like that
2021-08-12 16:50:49	grazzolini	mullagain: I knew your question was leading to the inevitable: I want to load a newer version without rebooting. tl:dr, don't bother. just reboot your machine and get done with it.
2021-08-12 16:50:50	mullagain	I often see the new driver is released with the new kernel, so there is not much point anyways
2021-08-12 16:51:15	grazzolini	mullagain: you could still build the newer nvidia version against your current kernel.
2021-08-12 16:51:51	grazzolini	mullagain: and, using bbswitch or acpi, you can power off the card, load the new module, power it on again.
2021-08-12 16:52:06	mullagain	grazzolini: interesting
2021-08-12 16:52:11	grazzolini	ofc, all of this assuming you have another way to access the machine, like a serial console, or ssh
2021-08-12 17:05:11	stecx	since installing arch a few weeks ago there are some updates
2021-08-12 17:06:14	stecx	i only want to install the security updates..whats best way to do this, without manually checking release notes of each pkg
2021-08-12 17:06:25	Scimmia	Arch doesn't work that way
2021-08-12 17:06:30	Edu4rdSHL	stecx, partial upgrades are unsupported
2021-08-12 17:06:59	coruja	stecx: what's wrong with a complete upgrade?
2021-08-12 17:07:10	stecx	yes and will install necessary updates..
2021-08-12 17:07:26	Edu4rdSHL	You can check the available security updates with arch-audit but if you only update some package you will probably ends with a broken system.
2021-08-12 17:07:30	stecx	because something might break?
2021-08-12 17:07:43	Edu4rdSHL	some package(s)*
2021-08-12 17:07:45	Scimmia	sounds like you picked the wrong distro
2021-08-12 17:07:51	bin	okay so hp is offering to build me a new laptop with a 3060 instead of a 1660 is that an insane card to put in a laptop?
2021-08-12 17:07:58	jonathon	stecx: that logic applies to anything you update?
2021-08-12 17:08:01	bin	how well does the 3060 work in arch?
2021-08-12 17:08:15	jonathon	bin: just fine
2021-08-12 17:08:23	bin	i asked them to give me 24 hours to decide but im thinking thats the best option rather than an i7 (this is a ryzen 7)
2021-08-12 17:08:37	bin	althoughhhh with the i7 i think nvidia plays more nicely in linux
2021-08-12 17:08:54	bin	but id have to reinstall
2021-08-12 17:08:57	jonathon	why do you think that?
2021-08-12 17:09:07	coruja	stecx: it might break (though unlikely) but if you don't do a complete upgrade it _will_ break (very probably)
2021-08-12 17:09:21	jonathon	bin: are you wanting input or are you thinking out loud?
2021-08-12 17:09:42	bin	jonathon: both
2021-08-12 17:09:57	bin	also because AMD and Nvidia don't play nicely with prime offloading 
2021-08-12 17:10:08	jonathon	do they not?
2021-08-12 17:10:09	bin	i can't use hdmi out with amd as the primary because offload sink doesnt work rihgt
2021-08-12 17:10:22	bin	nvidia themselves said "yeah thats not supported yet" last year
2021-08-12 17:10:26	bin	er
2021-08-12 17:10:27	stecx	why would not updating *everything* break the system?
2021-08-12 17:10:28	bin	early this eyar**
2021-08-12 17:10:39	bin	stecx: because dependencies
2021-08-12 17:10:52	jelle	stecx: because if you update foo and it requires a new library libbar it will break
2021-08-12 17:10:54	Edu4rdSHL	stecx, sonames
2021-08-12 17:12:07	stecx	so it really depends on the dependencies
2021-08-12 17:13:03	jonathon	stecx: you're fighting the very nature of the distro. if you don't want regular updates for everything then use a frozen-pool distro
2021-08-12 17:13:06	bin	i ran a "broken" system on my old laptop with held back packages, but i accepted the risks and sometimes had to do cleanup surrounding it
2021-08-12 17:13:13	bin	i dont recommend it unless it's unavoidable for some reason
2021-08-12 17:14:03	stecx	its not that i dont want updates, its more updating all the time, perhaps i can just set auto-updates
2021-08-12 17:14:54	heat	you don't need to update all the time
2021-08-12 17:15:07	heat	you'll just miss out on any possible security updates
2021-08-12 17:15:12	stecx	how often do you recommend?
2021-08-12 17:15:19	bin	i mean i dont update all the time, i just do it once a month unless there's something i need
2021-08-12 17:15:28	bin	one time i went like 9 months without updating
2021-08-12 17:15:29	stecx	hmm thats fair
2021-08-12 17:15:31	bin	just cuz im stupid and lazy
2021-08-12 17:15:36	heat	i do it on a weekly/biweekly basis more or less
2021-08-12 17:15:47	heat	sometimes I go for a month without any updates but that's rare
2021-08-12 17:16:05	bin	everyone always is like "arch is always breaking!!" and like i've been using it for a decade now and i dont know what theyre talking about
2021-08-12 17:16:19	stecx	its something that should happen transparently in the background
2021-08-12 17:16:28	bin	i went through the init switch, the filesystem structure change and all the steps were always clearly documented in the news
2021-08-12 17:16:36	heat	the key is to not go for 1 year+ without updates, you may not be able to update that way
2021-08-12 17:16:38	Edu4rdSHL	Unnatended upgrades in Arch is also a very bad idea
2021-08-12 17:16:49	bin	yeah dont do unattended upgrades imo
2021-08-12 17:16:54	Edu4rdSHL	unattended *
2021-08-12 17:16:57	stecx	is there a concept of 'System Restore'?
2021-08-12 17:17:04	heat	no
2021-08-12 17:17:07	grawity	not built-in
2021-08-12 17:17:12	coruja	stecx: it's recommended to watch what pacman says while upgrading
2021-08-12 17:17:15	grawity	though you can sort of build it using e.g. btrfs or zfs snapshots
2021-08-12 17:17:28	heat	or regular backups
2021-08-12 17:17:29	Edu4rdSHL	It's better to no upgrade for some time (not too much) and the do a full system upgrade, check pacnew and pacsave files and continue working
2021-08-12 17:17:39	Edu4rdSHL	Instead of unattended updates
2021-08-12 17:17:59	stecx	yes and pay attention to what its doing/updating
2021-08-12 17:18:00	Edu4rdSHL	and then do a*
2021-08-12 17:23:05	coruja	stecx: btw, while discussing this topic, a complete upgrade would probably have been finished meanwhile ;)
2021-08-12 17:23:56	grazzolini	stecx: you're on the wrong distro
2021-08-12 17:26:22	coruja	stecx: just because of curiosity, what have you used before arch and why have you moved?
2021-08-12 17:26:23	bin	will i need different drivers for AMD Ryzen™ 7 5800H (up to 4.4 GHz, 16 MB L3 cache, 8 cores, 16 thread) + NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3060 (6 GB) than I have for AMD Ryzen 7 4800H and NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660Ti
2021-08-12 17:26:36	bin	i'm guessing not
2021-08-12 17:28:02	jonathon	correct. also, if you have the choice between a 5800H and 4800H you'd go for the 5800H
2021-08-12 17:30:06	heat	i'm doing an upgrade and it seems to be fixated on trying to get python-ipykernel-6.0.3-1, but my mirrors seem to have 6.0.3-2. how do I fix this?
2021-08-12 17:30:36	heat	i've tried rerunning yay -Syu, I've also tried yay -Syyyu, nothing works
2021-08-12 17:31:03	grawity	have you tried not yay? do you have any binary repositories besides arch's regular ones?
2021-08-12 17:31:22	morganamilo	Maybe a 4th y will help 
2021-08-12 17:31:24	morganamilo	Or a 5th 
2021-08-12 17:31:38	heat	morganamilo, might be that of course :P
2021-08-12 17:31:51	grawity	if you have a custom repo that's configured *above* arch repos, then it'll take priority even if it offers an older version of the same package
2021-08-12 17:31:53	heat	grawity: no, I just use it as an AUR helper
2021-08-12 17:32:13	grawity	yeah but this isn't an aur package is it? try regular pacman just in case
2021-08-12 17:32:19	heat	regular pacman also doesn't work 
2021-08-12 17:32:32	heat	I just get a bunch of 404s from all my mirrors
2021-08-12 17:32:37	jonathon	heat: update your mirror list and try again
2021-08-12 17:32:37	grawity	what does regular pacman say about the versions available in repos?
2021-08-12 17:33:49	heat	jonathon: the mirrors still exist, that's not the issue
2021-08-12 17:34:14	heat	grawity, what do you mean?
2021-08-12 17:34:21	grawity	pacman -Qi thepackage
2021-08-12 17:34:26	jonathon	heat: 404s from your mirrors means something is outdated...
2021-08-12 17:34:51	grawity	and in fact, have your mirrors finished syncing? if the rsync got killed midway through, then the mirror will have the new .db but still be missing the actual package files
2021-08-12 17:35:12	bin	jonathon: not a choice, 4800 is what i have now and 5800 is what the new one will have
2021-08-12 17:35:14	heat	hold on, let me get you a nice log
2021-08-12 17:35:15	bin	https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/omen-laptop-15z-en100-2l1f4av-1
2021-08-12 17:35:16	phrik	Title: OMEN Laptop 15z-en100 (2L1F4AV_1) (at www.hp.com)
2021-08-12 17:35:17	bin	looks like this is it
2021-08-12 17:36:49	bin	replacing this whcih is what im on right now https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-omen-15-6-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-7-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1660-ti-1tb-ssd-mica-silver/6407752.p?skuId=6407752
2021-08-12 17:37:12	demonicmaniac	you're not actually buying the new one are you for full price?
2021-08-12 17:37:15	heat	https://gist.github.com/heatd/e69fae37e55d608c0b5b6393fbcb8f4d
2021-08-12 17:37:43	demonicmaniac	because the performance difference is fairly neglible aside from the 3060 having rtx and maybe 50% faster the cpu is maybe 5%
2021-08-12 17:38:10	dieggsy	huh, howdy works decently well
2021-08-12 17:38:32	bin	demonicmaniac: no theyre replacing it for free
2021-08-12 17:38:37	heat	I don't know if I'm missing anything here, https://ftp.rnl.tecnico.ulisboa.pt/pub/archlinux/community/os/x86_64/ (my first mirror) has python-ipykernel-6.0.3-2
2021-08-12 17:38:38	phrik	Title: Index of /pub/archlinux/community/os/x86_64/ (at ftp.rnl.tecnico.ulisboa.pt)
2021-08-12 17:38:40	demonicmaniac	that's good then
2021-08-12 17:39:03	grawity	I was asking for -Si, not -Qi, but nevermind
2021-08-12 17:39:15	grazzolini	h4rd3n3D: Btw, I don't know if there's some new kernel functionality that allows for module in-place update. There might be. But, i don't know how the kernel can do that with a video card that's being used
2021-08-12 17:39:21	grawity	have you tried `pacman -Syyu` since doing the last mirrorlist chnage?
2021-08-12 17:39:29	⚡ 	jonathon wonders whether HP would replace his 4-year-old ASUS laptop for free...
2021-08-12 17:39:29	bin	demonicmaniac: tl;dr 'w' key stopped working. it's my primary machine for work so i cant just ship it off to be fixed. they sent me a replacement. replacement has a messed up headphone jack. they dont have anymore 1-1 replacements so they offered me a refurb with an i7 or this new machine but i wont get it until october
2021-08-12 17:39:30	heat	Si gives me version 6.0.3-1
2021-08-12 17:39:36	heat	grawity: yup, multiple times
2021-08-12 17:39:40	bin	demonicmaniac: so to me it makes more sense to be patient and get the new one
2021-08-12 17:39:58	bin	demonicmaniac: but i wanted to make sure i wasnt setting ymself up for failure since i plan to just pop this ssh in
2021-08-12 17:39:59	bin	ssd**
2021-08-12 17:40:00	demonicmaniac	11700H vs 5800H really only comes down to 5800H faster compiling and 11700H drawing far more power so louder
2021-08-12 17:40:08	demonicmaniac	gaming performance is pretty much identical
2021-08-12 17:40:38	grawity	heat: well I downloaded the community.db from that and ran `tar tf` on it and it certainly has python-ipykernel-6.0.3-1 inside
2021-08-12 17:40:54	demonicmaniac	in other words it really doesn't matter
2021-08-12 17:41:10	grawity	heat: the mirror's community.db is also 3 days old
2021-08-12 17:41:23	bin	demonicmaniac: okay thank you, that's kind of what i figured.
2021-08-12 17:41:33	bin	my gaming is primarily the sims anyway these days lmao
2021-08-12 17:41:51	bin	at first i was like "oooh rdr2 with mods! skyrim with mods!" and it's just been the sims so thats very on-brand for me
2021-08-12 17:41:59	bin	i'd be fine with a 1-1 replacement, it's just they dont have anymore
2021-08-12 17:42:15	bin	and i know id have to install different drivers and shit with intel so id basically need to reinstall and i dont want to
2021-08-12 17:43:05	heat	grawity, what does that suggest?
2021-08-12 17:43:05	grazzolini	h4rd3n3D: with a serial console you could power off the card and replace the module with a newer version. The main problem i see is how to get the kernel displaying stuff again on the card
2021-08-12 17:43:38	grawity	heat: it suggests that your mirror is currently in a state known as "broken" and you should switch to a different one
2021-08-12 17:45:39	grawity	then *probably* run pacman -Syyu, though in this case it probably won't be necessary (the second -y just makes pacman ignore timestamps on *.db, so that it'll download the new mirror's db even if older than local; more than two -y's don't do anything beyond that)
2021-08-12 17:45:45	heat	I've removed that mirror and sudo pacman -Syy'd, pacman -Si python-ipykernel still says 6.0.3-1
2021-08-12 17:46:02	heat	and I get 404s
2021-08-12 17:46:12	heat	just on the other mirrors though
2021-08-12 17:46:45	grazzolini	h4rd3n3D: I'm being theoretical here, never done something like that
2021-08-12 17:47:09	grawity	heat: your second mirror is glua.ua.pt? it actually syncs from the first one
2021-08-12 17:47:24	grawity	meaning it'll be broken in the same way
2021-08-12 17:48:31	heat	grawity: yes, it's that; I went over to mirrorlist and #'d the first two mirrors (since the 2nd is the same one but without https); sudo pacman -Syy; pacman -Qi still gives me a bad version
2021-08-12 17:48:45	grawity	heat: right so comment out glua.ua.pt too
2021-08-12 17:49:54	heat	huhhh
2021-08-12 17:50:00	grawity	(the arch staff website has a list of which mirrors have what upstreams and downstreams, so it shows that glua.ua.pt gets its data from rnl.tecnico.ulisboa.pt)
2021-08-12 17:50:15	heat	and because of that all my country's mirrors are dead
2021-08-12 17:50:17	heat	woohoo
2021-08-12 17:50:49	grawity	(it also has cloroformo.org as another downstream, so avoid that too.)
2021-08-12 17:51:53	heat	I should email them to let them know
2021-08-12 17:52:07	heat	what's the exact problem here? outdated community.db?
2021-08-12 17:53:21	grawity	yes
2021-08-12 17:53:41	grawity	and well, community.files (the one used by pacman -F / pkgfile) looks to be from mid-July as well
2021-08-12 17:54:28	grawity	(I'm looking at the last-modified dates `curl -I` reports)
2021-08-12 17:54:41	grawity	maybe it ran out of disk space or something
2021-08-12 17:54:50	heat	what are the URLs for all those files?
2021-08-12 17:55:18	grawity	https://ftp.rnl.tecnico.ulisboa.pt/pub/archlinux/community/os/x86_64/community.db
2021-08-12 17:55:19	heat	grawity: considering it has new package updates, I kind of doubt it
2021-08-12 17:55:21	grawity	same for .files
2021-08-12 17:56:43	heat	anyway thanks a whole lot for the help :)
2021-08-12 18:08:17	bin	someone was asking me the other day the difference between the community repo and the aur and basically the community repo is like packages that got super popular in the aur and were voted to be added to the main repos, is that right?
2021-08-12 18:08:31	bin	and my understanding is basically***
2021-08-12 18:08:34	bin	i accidentally some words there
2021-08-12 18:10:39	coruja	community contains packages that have been adopted by Trusted Users from the Arch User Repository. Some of these packages may eventually make the transition to the core or extra repositories as the developers consider them crucial to the distribution.
2021-08-12 18:14:42	grazzolini	bin: the 'popularity' thing is just a myth. in the end a dev or TU can add anything they want to
2021-08-12 18:15:26	grazzolini	oth, while I was a TU I've always respected the minimum votes rule before moving something to [community]
2021-08-12 18:15:38	alad	biggest mistake was not adding hardbass-linux-themes to [community]
2021-08-12 18:15:49	grazzolini	alad: =D
2021-08-12 18:15:54	grazzolini	alad: you still have privs
2021-08-12 18:15:57	⚡ 	grazzolini runs
2021-08-12 18:15:57	alad	:OOOO
2021-08-12 18:16:03	grazzolini	alad: well, I think so
2021-08-12 18:16:11	grazzolini	don't know if anyone has offboarded you yet
2021-08-12 18:16:31	alad	I've done most of the offboarding myself, but bug tracker and repos/gpg remain
2021-08-12 18:18:04	alad	mkoskar: the AUR pkgbuild range goes from "meh I have to start this pkgbuild from scratch" to "nice I can just copy paste this"
2021-08-12 18:18:23	bin	grazzolini: ah i thought you could vote on aur packages to get them added
2021-08-12 18:18:57	grazzolini	bin: a TU must still move it
2021-08-12 18:19:03	bin	grazzolini: right that much i know
2021-08-12 18:19:18	bin	but interesting that votes arent always respected, i appreciate that you always did xD
2021-08-12 18:19:25	alad	also note there's a bunch of "super popular" aur packages that will never make it to repos
2021-08-12 18:19:29	alad	like pacman wrappers
2021-08-12 18:19:31	bin	yeah that makes sense
2021-08-12 18:19:56	bin	i feel like it would be a bit... idk... kafka-esque to put pacman wrappers in the repos
2021-08-12 18:20:18	bin	i heard u like pacman so we put pacman wrappers into pacman so u can wrap packages in pacman before you pacman
2021-08-12 18:20:20	bin	idk
2021-08-12 18:20:36	alad	it would only result in 100000 extra bug reports from people who can't distinguish aur from repo packages
2021-08-12 18:20:55	alad	"yo I installed yay -S bork but it borks so I filed a bug"
2021-08-12 18:24:12	samuelbernardo	Hi
2021-08-12 18:24:29	samuelbernardo	grub-install with --removable gives me the following error message
2021-08-12 18:24:36	samuelbernardo	archlinux failed to get canonical path of nvme...
2021-08-12 18:24:38	stecx	coruja, because i want to learn more about Linux and dont want to install soemthing like Ubuntu which comes with a ton of software i dont want/need
2021-08-12 18:24:51	jonathon	alad, also the "this foo-git package is never updated when a new commit is available upstream. is this package even maintained? please update the package." -.-;
2021-08-12 18:25:29	samuelbernardo	I'm still trying to solve the issue with hp pavilion 15-ec2xxx
2021-08-12 18:25:53	bin	alad: yeahhh oh man that would be nightmarish
2021-08-12 18:25:59	samuelbernardo	that removes the boot entry after reboot and can't boot to the OS
2021-08-12 18:26:11	heat	how do you become a TU?
2021-08-12 18:26:12	stecx	grazzolini, no, i am enjoying learning arch
2021-08-12 18:27:02	grazzolini	heat: if only the wiki had a search for that *exact* term: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Trusted_Users#How_do_I_become_a_TU?
2021-08-12 18:27:03	phrik	Title: Trusted Users - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-12 18:27:32	bin	rtfm? in MY #archlinux?! it's less likely thank youd think
2021-08-12 18:27:59	grazzolini	stecx: then first thing to learn about arch is that partial upgrades are not supported. second thing to learn (that a lot of people don't), is that arch has an archive where you can rollback your packages to a given date: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux_Archive#How_to_restore_all_packages_to_a_specific_date
2021-08-12 18:28:00	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Archive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-12 18:28:46	bin	yeah there's a downgrade package in the AUR that makes that seemless grazzolini a love it
2021-08-12 18:28:59	bin	for individual packages i mean
2021-08-12 18:29:20	heat	hah oops
2021-08-12 18:29:46	grazzolini	bin: downgrading individual packages is the same as partial upgrade.
2021-08-12 18:29:57	grazzolini	bin:  you're on your own if you do
2021-08-12 18:29:57	bin	grazzolini: i know
2021-08-12 18:30:12	bin	but there are rare scenarios i've run into where i needed to do it
2021-08-12 18:30:20	bin	i never ask for support with it though lol
2021-08-12 18:30:35	bin	9/10 times i use it to see which version of a package broke something and prove the version
2021-08-12 18:30:37	stecx	grazzolini, thats useful to know about restoring pkgs, could save some headaches
2021-08-12 18:31:03	grazzolini	stecx: yes, and a lot of people don't know about it. because they don't read the wiki
2021-08-12 18:35:40	_cyphertite_	lols - my First Grade Catholic Nun first forced me (and others) to write:  'Readers Are Leaders' 100+ times on the chalkboard.  Then she taught us how TO READ!!! :D
2021-08-12 18:38:17	e36freak	i was elected to lead, not to read
2021-08-12 18:47:27	frostwork	Rainier! :)
2021-08-12 18:50:57	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-12 18:51:15	ℹ 	Eres conocido ahora como teraflops
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2021-08-12 18:53:20	_cyphertite_	e36freak:  see #AOT
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2021-08-12 18:56:36	samuelbernardo	Found the issue with can't find canonical path... it was related to dev inside chroot... for some reason the --rbind didn't work as expected
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2021-08-12 18:57:50	samuelbernardo	and finally could bypass the issue of this HP Pavilion ec2xxx with os manager... needed to use --removable for it to keep the boot entry
2021-08-12 18:57:58	samuelbernardo	party time!
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2021-08-12 19:02:47	_cyphertite_	samuelbernardo:  IDK what you're on about = `df -h` works fine both outside and inside chroot
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2021-08-12 19:04:37	samuelbernardo	_cyphertite_: I tested with lsblk inside chroot and listed the block devices... I forget to test with df -h
2021-08-12 19:04:43	samuelbernardo	another thing that is horrible with this HP laptop... in OS manager it detects the grub efi bin as windows boot manager, please... this is really awful... in almost good bios it appears with the selected label...
2021-08-12 19:06:17	samuelbernardo	hp pavilion gaming ec2xxx series, it was cheap but take into account this issues
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2021-08-12 19:11:00	HEX0	samuelbernardo: got a laptop that works pretty well ath9k no firmware blobs needed for anything etc. but in motherboard firmware it says "Boot Windows 8" and then systemd-boot show ups
2021-08-12 19:11:00	_cyphertite_	samuelbernardo:  yeah, df -h is really important BEFORE you chroot.  I have an almost new H/P laptop with a 100 MiB ESP, created by Win, and I multi-OS boot several encrypted / and swap *nix OSes from that same ESP, without issue :D
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2021-08-12 19:11:00	ParsnipChicken	Hi, I'm trying to install sway on a new arch system, but after running `sudo pacman -S sway`, the installation fails due to a corrupted gpg key. Is there any way I can fix this?
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2021-08-12 19:11:10	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
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2021-08-12 19:11:12	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-12 19:11:18	grazzolini	ParsnipChicken: paste the full error please
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2021-08-12 19:11:46	ParsnipChicken	Ok one minute. I'm running `pacman-keys --refresh-keys` which may fix it.
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2021-08-12 19:15:13	grazzolini	ParsnipChicken: it won't work, if the error is what I think it is.
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2021-08-12 19:16:17	ParsnipChicken	grazzolini: You're right. It is still not working. Can you please remind me the command to send shell output to you?
2021-08-12 19:16:30	grazzolini	!give ParsnipChicken paste
2021-08-12 19:16:30	phrik	ParsnipChicken: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2021-08-12 19:16:43	ParsnipChicken	!ix
2021-08-12 19:16:43	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
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2021-08-12 19:31:10	Betal	is it possible to reload nvidia module after update? I was not able to, sddm refusing to start, also kexec failed with null pointer dereference
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2021-08-12 19:31:10	mcoffin	Betal: You can reload it with modprobe/rmmod
2021-08-12 19:31:10	Betal	full reboot worked, thats good
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2021-08-12 19:31:11	grazzolini	Betal: you should've been here 3 hours ago
2021-08-12 19:31:11	mcoffin	with obvious consequences for KMS
2021-08-12 19:31:11	grazzolini	there was a whole discussion on this
2021-08-12 19:31:11	⚡ 	mcoffin scrolls up
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2021-08-12 19:31:11	grazzolini	mcoffin: you can't reload it, if it's being used by the kernel
2021-08-12 19:31:11	Betal	mcoffin: I can say I "did" modprobe/rmmod, but using virsh (given it automate this)
2021-08-12 19:31:11	Betal	grazzolini: so we can't, good to know, was thinking I did something wrong
2021-08-12 19:31:11	Betal	grazzolini: found scary when kexec didn't worked and crashed
2021-08-12 19:31:11	grazzolini	Betal: well, if you used a serial console, who knows? I never tried
2021-08-12 19:31:11	Tom^	grazzolini: well we can make it so its not in use, ive done it in the past. unbinding/close vt etc. :P
2021-08-12 19:31:11	grazzolini	but I still think you can't do it
2021-08-12 19:31:11	Tom^	grazzolini: BUT some cards in the past 9xx and 10xx series got left in a half broken state and still required a power cycle
2021-08-12 19:31:11	Betal	grazzolini: serial console?
2021-08-12 19:31:11	grazzolini	Tom^: then please document it. also document how you accessed the machine without being able to see what was happening
2021-08-12 19:31:11	Betal	iam not sure, the default tty goes to radeon, so nvidia "isn't" (I think) used for it
2021-08-12 19:31:11	ParsnipChicken	grazzolini: I ran `pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su` which seems to have fixed the problem. Thanks!
2021-08-12 19:31:11	grazzolini	ParsnipChicken: don't do stuff like this.
2021-08-12 19:31:11	grazzolini	ParsnipChicken: the pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring part is correct. the pacman -Su isn't.
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2021-08-12 19:31:11	ParsnipChicken	grazzolini: it was listed as a solution in the arch wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Signature_from_%22User_%3Cemail@example.org%3E%22_is_unknown_trust,_installation_failed
2021-08-12 19:31:11	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-12 19:31:11	grazzolini	ParsnipChicken: I'll change that to pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring and pacman -Syu.
2021-08-12 19:31:11	Scimmia	grazzolini: what's wrong with -Su?
2021-08-12 19:31:11	grazzolini	Scimmia: in theory, nothing
2021-08-12 19:31:11	grazzolini	still doesn't account for the broken mirror
2021-08-12 19:31:11	Scimmia	this is a fix for an outdated keyring, it's not about a broken mirror
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2021-08-12 19:31:11	Scimmia	-Su after the -Sy is fine and correct
2021-08-12 19:31:11	ParsnipChicken	Yes, i believe the issue was with the keyring.
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2021-08-12 19:31:11	grazzolini	Scimmia: yes, if the mirror isn't broken and -Su is ran immediately after -Sy
2021-08-12 19:31:11	Scimmia	that's how && works
2021-08-12 19:31:11	grazzolini	ParsnipChicken: you had an outdated keyring, -Sy archlinux-keyring is the correct solution
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2021-08-12 19:31:11	Tom^	grazzolini: https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/KernelModeSetting.html a bit down at "Deactivating KMS" i know its showing for nouveau, but i did something similiar for my 780ti. years ago. to be able to swap to nouveau/blob back and forth
2021-08-12 19:31:11	phrik	Title: KernelModeSetting (at nouveau.freedesktop.org)
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2021-08-12 19:31:24	Tom^	grazzolini: no idea if its even possible with todays cards, 9xx series and up at that time started entering some broken state and required a power cycle. heh
2021-08-12 19:31:49	grazzolini	Tom^: I want to see that with the proprietary driver
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2021-08-12 19:32:37	Tom^	grazzolini: yeah cant test it, dont have a nvidia gpu at hand. :( but i did so with that 780ti heh
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2021-08-12 19:33:01	Tom^	grazzolini: but its probably just as broken as 9xx series and up was/is. who knows!
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2021-08-12 19:33:54	Betal	Tom^: the problem was the module update between  "swap back and forth"
2021-08-12 19:34:25	Tom^	well the module is already updated before you do this, its just running the older one from memory
2021-08-12 19:35:05	Betal	yes, so I removed it, then after adding it back, could not start sddm, neither kexec to reboot (crashed on booting)
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2021-08-12 19:35:46	Tom^	anyhow reboot, i wouldnt wanna risk a kernel panic a few hours into an unsaved project because i was to lazy to reboot for the driver update lol
2021-08-12 19:36:05	Betal	Tom^: was just booted then pacman -Syu, wanted to test it :)
2021-08-12 19:36:24	mion	CsCsCsCsCsCs
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2021-08-12 19:38:07	Betal	Tom^: the crash when was booting from kexec https://bpa.st/raw/FN4A
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2021-08-12 20:14:41	Ingar	What was the pacman option called to have it actually show pacman?
2021-08-12 20:15:02	Tiktalik	ILoveCandy
2021-08-12 20:15:14	Ingar	Tiktalik: thx!
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2021-08-12 20:19:46	Tiktalik	does nvidia + wayland work yet?
2021-08-12 20:19:51	Tiktalik	i'm getting mixed messages
2021-08-12 20:20:12	bug2000	Last I heard it does not.
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2021-08-12 20:21:37	grazzolini	Tiktalik: on 470 it does, afaik
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2021-08-12 20:39:19	d3ph4u17	i'm having trouble with bluetooth,i have an ar3011 usb adapter,it shows up in lsusb and the respective driver is loaded,but when i look it neither shows up in rfkill, or works in bluetoothctl
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2021-08-12 20:39:35	NetSysFire	anything in your journal?
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2021-08-12 20:39:56	NetSysFire	you could try unplugging it, running journalctl -f and plugging it in again
2021-08-12 20:40:09	d3ph4u17	https://pastebin.com/Ybe06CCr
2021-08-12 20:40:10	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-Jxf.txt
2021-08-12 20:40:10	phrik	Title: [ 12.804065] Bluetooth: Core ver 2.22[ 12.804098] Bluetooth: HCI device an - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2021-08-12 20:40:28	NetSysFire	this is the dmesg, not the journal
2021-08-12 20:40:30	NetSysFire	!dmesg
2021-08-12 20:40:31	phrik	Always check your journal when possible, not your dmesg. The journal includes the dmesg together with other helpful and possibly relevant logs. journalctl also has more options to search and filter messages.
2021-08-12 20:40:41	d3ph4u17	oh sorry
2021-08-12 20:40:46	d3ph4u17	lemme check it then
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2021-08-12 20:41:42	d3ph4u17	https://pastebin.com/9tE1mi94
2021-08-12 20:41:43	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-JxV.txt
2021-08-12 20:41:43	phrik	Title: Aug 12 17:24:26 archos kernel: Bluetooth: Core ver 2.22Aug 12 17:24:26 archos - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-12 20:41:48	d3ph4u17	same thing repeated for each reboot
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2021-08-12 20:42:02	d3ph4u17	i just grep'd for bluetooth
2021-08-12 20:42:08	NetSysFire	dont grep
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2021-08-12 20:42:14	NetSysFire	do the thing i recommended
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2021-08-12 20:42:40	NetSysFire	optionally just unplug it, reboot, run journalctl -f, plug it in, inspect the output
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2021-08-12 20:44:03	d3ph4u17	i'm pretty sure it's embedded in the motherboard,but just shows up as plugged into usb
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2021-08-12 20:44:20	NetSysFire	you need to examine the entire journal then
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2021-08-12 20:45:11	d3ph4u17	can i just find where the bluetooth messages start and go from there?
2021-08-12 20:45:18	NetSysFire	no
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2021-08-12 20:45:26	NetSysFire	its hard to know whats relevant and what is not
2021-08-12 20:45:41	d3ph4u17	i mean like go up and search for the reason
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2021-08-12 20:45:48	NetSysFire	no because we dont know it yet
2021-08-12 20:46:07	NetSysFire	if you frequently check your journal it will be easy to find anything that doesnt belong
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2021-08-12 20:46:21	d3ph4u17	hmm,i also forgot to mention it works on windows(when i did dualboot)
2021-08-12 20:46:40	d3ph4u17	the bluetooth adapter didn't work on linux in the first place,even on a fresh install
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2021-08-12 20:48:41	d3ph4u17	is it fine then if i clear the journal and reboot then,i don't want to examine from the time i installed it
2021-08-12 20:49:10	NetSysFire	journalctl -b :p
2021-08-12 20:49:20	NetSysFire	get the cards usb id and search for it
2021-08-12 20:49:21	d3ph4u17	oh thanks
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2021-08-12 20:49:26	NetSysFire	this is important to do first
2021-08-12 20:49:29	NetSysFire	it may save you some work
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2021-08-12 20:50:15	d3ph4u17	so what comes after ID in lsusb?
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2021-08-12 20:50:49	NetSysFire	you want the usb id and search for it in $search_engine
2021-08-12 20:51:28	d3ph4u17	can it have some relation to kernel parameters?
2021-08-12 20:51:43	NetSysFire	no but if you say it never worked you want to see if other users have the same problem
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2021-08-12 20:52:11	NetSysFire	kernel parameters can cause a variety of issues but if it never worked, its unlikely
2021-08-12 20:53:22	d3ph4u17	it seems to be a problem in the firmware,but the bugzilla report is from 2021
2021-08-12 20:53:25	d3ph4u17	2012*
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2021-08-12 20:54:27	grawity	Tiktalik: they're still clinging to providing a different API, so it mostly depends on how much each individual WM is willing to support wayland-on-nvidia alongside wayland-on-non-nvidia
2021-08-12 20:54:47	Tiktalik	grawity: gotcha
2021-08-12 20:54:50	Tiktalik	thanks
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2021-08-12 20:55:13	grawity	e.g. GNOME mostly doesn't mind supporting it, I *think* KWin changed their mind and added support eventually, Sway is like "lol fuck nvidia we don't have time for that"
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2021-08-12 20:57:17	d3ph4u17	is there any difference between wayland-on-nvidia and non-nvidia?
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2021-08-12 20:57:26	d3ph4u17	shouldn't the driver not matter?
2021-08-12 20:57:27	Tiktalik	does xwayland work? 
2021-08-12 20:57:50	grawity	nvidia wants programs to use EGLStreams to display stuff, while other drivers use GBM
2021-08-12 20:58:00	d3ph4u17	oh ic
2021-08-12 20:58:10	Tiktalik	oh, just looked it up, yep, works now according to the wiki
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2021-08-12 21:09:47	d3ph4u17	ok so i looked around the journal and found this https://pastebin.com/idr13A2k
2021-08-12 21:09:48	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-JxG.txt
2021-08-12 21:09:48	phrik	Title: Aug 12 22:05:33 archos kernel: Bluetooth: Can't change to loading configuration - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-12 21:09:52	mullagain	what irc clients do most people use here?
2021-08-12 21:10:17	d3ph4u17	i user kiwiirc since i don't have the time to setup iirssi(the client i usually use)
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2021-08-12 21:11:06	mullagain	yeah, i have that one as well, but i haven't taken the time to set it up. Right now im using hexchat
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2021-08-12 21:15:48	d3ph4u17	it seems that it's an error that has recently resurfaced(most recent mention is on the debian bug tracker)
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2021-08-12 21:21:46	d3ph4u17	ok so it's a problem with the firmware,i'm pretty certain it is
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2021-08-12 21:23:38	mullagain	does pacman write a file anywhere to indicate that the system needs a reboot after updates? Like if the kernel was upgraded?
2021-08-12 21:24:03	Namarrgon	mullagain: no
2021-08-12 21:24:47	Namarrgon	but that's not a problem, you're expected to be present when pacman updates the system and can spot the kernel in the candidate-list
2021-08-12 21:25:19	d3ph4u17	or just use kexec /s
2021-08-12 21:25:45	Namarrgon	"Cannot open `/s': No such file or directory"
2021-08-12 21:25:51	mullagain	yeah. I was just curious. Thinking about for my server. Make sure I do the reboot if its needed
2021-08-12 21:26:13	d3ph4u17	./s means sarcasm
2021-08-12 21:26:30	d3ph4u17	had to add a dot for it to not be treated as a command
2021-08-12 21:26:43	Namarrgon	zsh: no such file or directory: ./s
2021-08-12 21:27:17	Namarrgon	you can use // to tell the client not to interpret it as a command
2021-08-12 21:27:18	mullagain	smh
2021-08-12 21:27:24	d3ph4u17	you're just making fun of me now,anyways kexec is a syscall that can load a new kernel version without reboot
2021-08-12 21:27:28	d3ph4u17	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kexec
2021-08-12 21:27:30	phrik	Title: Kexec - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-12 21:33:44	denisse	mullagain: You could probably use Pacman hooks to achieve that. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/pacman#Hooks
2021-08-12 21:33:45	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-12 22:12:50	poweredbreadline	Hi, I'm trying to add a simple pipewire socket via: "pactl load-module module-native-protocol-unix socket=/tmp/pulse.socket" but it errors out with "Failure: No such entity" I can't find any example in pipewire docs for this or anything on search engines, is there something I could still do to make this work? e.g. does the file need to be mkfifo'd
2021-08-12 22:12:51	poweredbreadline	or something first?
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2021-08-12 22:22:07	terzievk	I have arch with gnome stuck on tty on boot. What do I do to load the GUI? I have already tried rebooting and switching tty-s with ctrl-altf[1-6].
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2021-08-12 22:23:03	terzievk	It used to work, it's not a new installation.
2021-08-12 22:23:29	kevr	the usual suspects; look through your journal for issues
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2021-08-12 22:29:34	terzievk	kevr:  failed to migrate controller cgroup
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2021-08-12 22:30:29	Namarrgon	do you have an nvidia gpu?
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2021-08-13 19:42:18	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-08-13 19:42:18	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1299 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1298 normals)
2021-08-13 18:31:48	mingdao	One39Dev: Summary: 2533.1 wakeups/second,  0.0 GPU ops/seconds, 0.0 VFS ops/sec and 13.8% CPU use     here
2021-08-13 18:32:07	mingdao	More wakeups than yours with less CPU usage.
2021-08-13 18:33:59	One39Dev	my problem is temperature
2021-08-13 18:34:01	One39Dev	goes up
2021-08-13 18:34:11	thrice	is it actually a problem?
2021-08-13 18:34:43	One39Dev	yes fans are getting noisyy
2021-08-13 18:35:04	One39Dev	temperature around 80C all the time with limited cpu freq to no-turbo
2021-08-13 18:35:16	One39Dev	cpufreqctl --no-turbo --set=1
2021-08-13 18:35:43	One39Dev	it might also be a gnome related issue
2021-08-13 18:35:49	One39Dev	and update of its libraries
2021-08-13 18:36:26	mingdao	One39Dev: There is much on the www if you search; might want to read up on this.
2021-08-13 18:37:24	One39Dev	you mean on what exactly? Power consumption? I know problem with sometime not optimised Nvidia.
2021-08-13 18:39:16	One39Dev	Just yesterday I was running "old" 5.13.7" and older nvidia 465 and I could even game without CPU fans turning.
2021-08-13 18:39:52	One39Dev	after update fans kinda go insane as temp goes up fast. 
2021-08-13 18:40:18	One39Dev	I will need to do cleaning anyway again but its not only that. That is a one day difference. 
2021-08-13 18:40:50	coldenbrewed	Any idea why my arch usb installation won't show up on a mac boot menu?
2021-08-13 18:44:50	coldenbrewed	The usb installation does work with a PC tho
2021-08-13 18:44:55	coldenbrewed	With Grub and all that
2021-08-13 18:45:07	liquidzoo	What kind of mac?
2021-08-13 18:45:10	Namarrgon	how did you install grub? which mac?
2021-08-13 18:45:31	coldenbrewed	I think it is a Macbook 2013
2021-08-13 18:45:44	coldenbrewed	So I have 3 partitions in that usb
2021-08-13 18:45:46	Namarrgon	32bit uefi?
2021-08-13 18:45:58	coldenbrewed	1 is for uefi, other is swap, last is main
2021-08-13 18:46:19	coldenbrewed	And then grub is installed on the /boot directory where the FAT32 uefi partition is instlaled
2021-08-13 18:46:31	coldenbrewed	Namarrgon it is all 64bit
2021-08-13 18:46:40	Namarrgon	are you sure it has a 64bit uefi firmware?
2021-08-13 18:47:05	coldenbrewed	is x86_63-efi smth like that
2021-08-13 18:47:26	coldenbrewed	Namarrgon Yes I am sure
2021-08-13 18:47:26	coldenbrewed	the usb did show up and boot from a PC bios
2021-08-13 18:47:44	Namarrgon	reinstall grub with the i386-efi target and try again
2021-08-13 18:48:04	coldenbrewed	but doesn't most mac take 86_64?
2021-08-13 18:48:36	coldenbrewed	https://i.imgur.com/jewtS0Z.png
2021-08-13 18:48:57	Namarrgon	most but not all
2021-08-13 18:48:59	coldenbrewed	and even if I do install that i386, what will happen if I boot it on a PC?
2021-08-13 18:49:05	Namarrgon	nothing
2021-08-13 18:49:06	coldenbrewed	will it still work?
2021-08-13 18:49:18	Namarrgon	the PC will ignore the i386-efi payload
2021-08-13 18:49:32	coldenbrewed	hmm, in that case it makes my usb installation mac only
2021-08-13 18:49:39	Namarrgon	did you install grub with --removable?
2021-08-13 18:49:42	coldenbrewed	yes I did
2021-08-13 18:49:55	Namarrgon	no, it doesn't make your usb installation mac-only
2021-08-13 18:50:16	Namarrgon	the payloads live in different paths, they don't conflict
2021-08-13 18:50:19	coldenbrewed	since you said if the target is changed to i386, it means I cannot boot it from a PC?
2021-08-13 18:50:31	coldenbrewed	Sorry I am not well versed in this aspect of grun
2021-08-13 18:50:31	Namarrgon	i didn't say that
2021-08-13 18:50:58	coldenbrewed	so if I install grub again in the /boot directory with the target being i386
2021-08-13 18:51:03	coldenbrewed	my mac should be able to recognize it
2021-08-13 18:51:24	Namarrgon	"i386-efi" and "i386" are very different targets
2021-08-13 18:51:29	coldenbrewed	I just don't understand what impact it will have changing the target of grub intallatiion
2021-08-13 18:51:33	Namarrgon	it will only work if that is a 32bit firmware
2021-08-13 18:51:43	Namarrgon	you're not changing it, you're adding a second one
2021-08-13 18:52:00	chazy	if a usb drive doesn't work on a (front) usb port but it does on another, and other usb devices work fine on that first port, where's the problem?
2021-08-13 18:52:11	coldenbrewed	Oh so everytime I "install grub" with at different target I am actually just adding a efi option?
2021-08-13 18:52:44	Namarrgon	you're adding another payload, if that one already exists you overwrite the old one
2021-08-13 18:53:07	coldenbrewed	yes, so there is one payload in that partition from when I installed with the x86 target
2021-08-13 18:53:16	coldenbrewed	and then with the grub-install
2021-08-13 18:53:20	coldenbrewed	I actually add to it
2021-08-13 18:53:29	coldenbrewed	rather overwrite the whole directory completely
2021-08-13 18:53:47	coldenbrewed	I believe in this case I should also remake  the grub config and it should have both contained
2021-08-13 18:53:48	coldenbrewed	?
2021-08-13 18:54:01	Namarrgon	no, this has nothing to do with grub.cfg
2021-08-13 18:54:37	coldenbrewed	oh great, I will still regenerate it for the sake of following instructions lol
2021-08-13 18:56:00	Namarrgon	does the arch iso boot on that particular mac?
2021-08-13 18:56:42	NetSysFire	some macs do have pages in the wiki but careful, they tend to be a mess
2021-08-13 19:21:53	coldenbrewed	Namarrgon I have not tried to be honest, getting to it right now
2021-08-13 19:21:56	coldenbrewed	was lunch time for me
2021-08-13 19:29:53	susi	why processes can't guarantee that arguments ore options are processed in ascending order, is it because some fork/threading possibilities?
2021-08-13 19:30:08	susi	like arguments to a command
2021-08-13 19:31:12	coldenbrewed	So I did this: grub-install --target=i386-efi --efi-directory=/boot --bootloader-id=GRUB
2021-08-13 19:31:27	coldenbrewed	And the usb arch installation still won't show up on the mac bootmenu
2021-08-13 19:31:34	mpan	susi: can you provide a specific example of what you mean?
2021-08-13 19:32:00	mpan	Currently the question makes little sense, considering that… they can and they do.
2021-08-13 19:32:14	susi	mpan: in many bins man pages it's stated that the order options are processed can't be guaranteed to be ascending
2021-08-13 19:32:28	coldenbrewed	I do have the x86_64-efi grub target installed on the usb, any idea why the usb is not showing up in mac?
2021-08-13 19:32:34	susi	like in `man tr` it states only [:lower:] and [:upper:] "are guaranteed to expand in ascending order"
2021-08-13 19:32:59	susi	but seen this in many manual pages, that the order of options processed can't be guaranteed
2021-08-13 19:33:26	susi	sorry, that example is faulty
2021-08-13 19:33:37	susi	only now understood what it meant (in tr man), but the question stays
2021-08-13 19:34:00	mpan	susi: I see nothing about options being processed in any way in `man tr`. It says how `[:lower:]` and `[:upper:]` are interpreted by `tr` (which is `tr`’s own stuff and its own choice).
2021-08-13 19:34:18	susi	yes I understood, that's what I said.. probably means abcd... ABCD..
2021-08-13 19:34:40	susi	can't remember any man pages now that states it can't guarantee the order of options processed, but there are many
2021-08-13 19:35:37	mpan	It means that whatever `tr` assumes e.g. `[:punctl:]` is, may be in any order — not neccessarily in any specific order.
2021-08-13 19:36:09	mpan	But that has nothing to do with options processing. It’s how a value passed as an option is interpreted. So I still don’t get the question. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2021-08-13 19:36:46	susi	if you have comm -o a -o b, I've seen in many manual pages stated that it can't be guaranteed -o a is processed before -o b
2021-08-13 19:36:57	susi	you just pretend yo don't understand, probably
2021-08-13 19:37:15	mpan	I see no such thing in the manual page.
2021-08-13 19:37:28	susi	yes, forget the tr as I said
2021-08-13 19:38:05	mpan	I did. I am speaking about `comm` now.
2021-08-13 19:38:21	susi	I don't have a list of man pages where I have encountered this text, but was thinking if it has anything to do with the shell or only how the command executes things, and if it's some threading stuff usually
2021-08-13 19:38:35	mpan	`comm` doesn’t even have the metioned option.
2021-08-13 19:38:45	susi	I'm talking abot a general command
2021-08-13 19:40:27	mpan	But there is no such thing. At least not within any interpretation of your question I can imagine. The command-line arguments are passed as an ordered list and virtually any program I know has no issues processing them in order.
2021-08-13 19:40:32	zbe	Does anyone else have problems with usb redirect in virt-manager?
2021-08-13 19:40:59	nahtjona	in every programming language I've seen until now, shell arguments are passed in the same order ,so whether they are guaranteed or not to be in order has to be up to the implementation
2021-08-13 19:42:18	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-13 19:42:39	ℹ 	Eres conocido ahora como teraflops
2021-08-13 19:43:50	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2021-08-13 19:44:14	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-08-13 19:44:14	ℹ 	Tema establecido por Namarrgon (~Namarrgon@archlinux/op/Namarrgon) el mié, 09 jun 2021 12:27:05
2021-08-13 19:44:15	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1300 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1299 normals)
2021-08-13 19:44:15	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-13 19:44:16	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2021-08-13 19:44:16	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-13 19:44:22	coldenbrewed	Anyone here have an idea why an arch installation i have on a USB does not show up in the macbook boot menu?
2021-08-13 19:45:10	nahtjona	coldenbrewed: if it's 32 bit version, have you tried asking in #archlinux32?
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2021-08-13 19:46:22	ℹ 	Eres conocido ahora como teraflops
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2021-08-13 19:48:56	coldenbrewed	nahtjona I don't think the mac is 32 bit tho
2021-08-13 19:49:00	coldenbrewed	what makes you think that?
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2021-08-13 19:51:28	coldenbrewed	just checked, I am rocking an i7 which is 64 bit
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2021-08-13 19:56:22	mpan	susi: note that I am not dismissing your question. It may make sense and indeed there may be something you describe. I just can’t interpret it in any way that makes sense, which may as well be my fault.
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2021-08-13 19:58:15	teraflops	coldenbrewed: the installation on the USB uses a bootloader as well? is it in BIOS/MBR mode or UEFI?
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2021-08-13 19:58:57	coldenbrewed	teraflops, I used grub, and it is installed with both the i386 -efi and x86_64-efi
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2021-08-13 20:00:16	teraflops	does it boot in any other machine (non APPLE)?
2021-08-13 20:00:30	coldenbrewed	yes it worked perfectly on my PC
2021-08-13 20:00:41	coldenbrewed	Even used it to save my main installation several times
2021-08-13 20:00:50	teraflops	the it looks like it´s apple's fault which is out of the scopr I guess
2021-08-13 20:01:02	teraflops	then^
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2021-08-13 20:01:13	coldenbrewed	Thing is other OS's worked, like tails and the arch live image
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2021-08-13 20:01:22	coldenbrewed	which makes me wonder what I am missing
2021-08-13 20:01:28	coldenbrewed	Sorry pinged the wrong person teraflops
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2021-08-13 20:05:49	ℹ 	thing_ es conocido ahora como thing
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2021-08-13 20:06:41	bittin	stupid question but what can cause this: https://pastebin.com/0Fz1e6Sk and how do i fix this?
2021-08-13 20:06:42	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-J0N.txt
2021-08-13 20:06:42	phrik	Title: virtualboxQt WARNING: Could not find the Qt platform plugin "xcb" in ""Qt FA - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2021-08-13 20:09:19	coldenbrewed	exit
2021-08-13 20:09:26	coldenbrewed	lol typo
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2021-08-13 20:13:49	Namarrgon	bittin: which distro is that?
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2021-08-13 20:14:14	bittin	Arch but i think i have faulty ram so it reboots mid upgrade so i think i broke something
2021-08-13 20:14:42	Namarrgon	then fix the ram first
2021-08-13 20:15:33	bittin	and now i was clumpsy and broke even more by mistake, so will reinstall
2021-08-13 20:20:01	Namarrgon	coldenbrewed: does the arch iso boot in  uefi or legacy mode? is the boot menu blue-ish or just black/white?
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2021-08-13 20:31:07	chazy	does anyone use nnn? any idea why after using it with root, i get this error with anormal user? 8356: Permission denied
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2021-08-13 20:32:05	Namarrgon	can you still "ls" that path as your non-root user?
2021-08-13 20:32:16	chazy	yes i'm running it from ~
2021-08-13 20:32:40	Namarrgon	is this still about your mtp issue?
2021-08-13 20:32:48	bittin	i fixed it but i did a stupid thing removing everything in /usr/share/licenses by mistake too
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2021-08-13 20:32:57	chazy	no, i switched to simple-mtpfs and it worked like a charm first try
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2021-08-13 20:33:30	Namarrgon	what exactly are you doing with nnn?
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2021-08-13 20:33:45	chazy	browse my files, like always
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2021-08-13 20:34:03	chazy	i ran it by mistake with root, and then i started getting that error
2021-08-13 20:34:11	ℹ 	chuck_ es conocido ahora como NerdWannabe
2021-08-13 20:34:16	Namarrgon	you started it as root and then immediately quit?
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2021-08-13 20:34:30	Namarrgon	or did you perform any operations while being root?
2021-08-13 20:34:31	chazy	i browsed some folders and then quited as always
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2021-08-13 20:35:10	Namarrgon	tree ~/.config/nnn/
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2021-08-13 20:37:18	Skyfire	ohayou onii-chan-tachi
2021-08-13 20:37:21	Skyfire	Oops, wrong channel.
2021-08-13 20:37:24	Skyfire	Sorry.
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2021-08-13 20:38:58	chazy	Namarrgon: what am i looking for in there? file permissions are fine
2021-08-13 20:39:13	chuck_	Hello there :D
2021-08-13 20:39:15	Namarrgon	well then
2021-08-13 20:39:16	chazy	and the binary is executable by others
2021-08-13 20:39:24	ℹ 	chuck_ es conocido ahora como NerdWannabe
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2021-08-13 20:39:45	chazy	tried reinstalling too
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2021-08-13 20:40:04	chazy	haven't tried the windows-like fix, rebooting
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2021-08-13 20:44:22	⚡ 	mongy just ran sudo nnn, browsed, quit, no issue
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2021-08-13 20:49:38	NerdWannabe	Hello guys, if a got a amd A10 9700 which driver should i use ?
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2021-08-13 20:50:08	mion	amdgpu probably?
2021-08-13 20:50:17	mion	or just modesetting
2021-08-13 20:50:32	NerdWannabe	Kernel is using 'amdgpu' atm, i installed 'xf86-video-amdgpu'
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2021-08-13 20:51:04	NerdWannabe	mion: Isn't radeon better ?
2021-08-13 20:51:09	mion	generally no
2021-08-13 20:51:28	Namarrgon	no vulkan on radeon
2021-08-13 20:51:33	NerdWannabe	Oh! ok, this driver is opensource right ?
2021-08-13 20:51:40	Namarrgon	the both are
2021-08-13 20:51:42	Namarrgon	+y
2021-08-13 20:51:46	NerdWannabe	which one is the privative one ?
2021-08-13 20:51:54	mion	amdgpu is (mostly) free, amdgpu-pro isn't
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2021-08-13 20:53:09	NerdWannabe	Oh nice!, thanks, just that i having low performance on a old game, but i think it's ok, idk :p
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2021-08-13 20:53:40	mion	the gfx core in that gpu is a potatoe so don't expect much no matter which driver you are using
2021-08-13 20:53:58	NerdWannabe	Yup
2021-08-13 20:54:17	NerdWannabe	Hello Namarrgon <3
2021-08-13 20:55:48	NerdWannabe	First time on liberachat :p what happened to freenode ? are here all other channels we had at freenode ?
2021-08-13 20:56:17	Namarrgon	mostly, some moved to oftc, some to matrix
2021-08-13 20:56:35	NerdWannabe	Thanks Namarrgon :)
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2021-08-13 21:06:31	coldenbrewed	Namarrgon The arch live iso boots in the regular black and white grub theme
2021-08-13 21:06:33	coldenbrewed	So the default one
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2021-08-13 21:06:56	coldenbrewed	It somehow managed to show up in the boot menu while my installation on usb does not on the macbook
2021-08-13 21:06:58	Namarrgon	that's systemd-boot, not grub
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2021-08-13 21:07:32	coldenbrewed	so you mean the black base and white words is systemd-boot?
2021-08-13 21:07:51	coldenbrewed	It is also that tone of colour when I boot the live iso on a pc
2021-08-13 21:08:04	coldenbrewed	do you have further ideas in this case?
2021-08-13 21:10:07	Namarrgon	install systemd-boot and see what happens
2021-08-13 21:10:10	coldenbrewed	https://i.imgur.com/tGOIjlm.png
2021-08-13 21:10:32	coldenbrewed	Namarrgon install the systemd-boot on the arch linux usb?
2021-08-13 21:10:37	Namarrgon	yes
2021-08-13 21:10:47	coldenbrewed	well let me chroot real quick
2021-08-13 21:12:02	coldenbrewed	Namarrgon Do I have to reinstall grub in this case?
2021-08-13 21:12:44	Namarrgon	no, they will coexist
2021-08-13 21:15:42	coldenbrewed	Namarrgon Just installed it with bootctl install
2021-08-13 21:15:48	coldenbrewed	I think I am missing some configuration steps?
2021-08-13 21:15:56	coldenbrewed	Since it still didn't show up on mac
2021-08-13 21:15:58	p9	I configured firefox to use vaapi (x11 egl) as per https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Firefox#Hardware_video_acceleration but now anytime I use other vaapi-enabled program (mpv) firefox freezes... Has anyone encountered something similar?
2021-08-13 21:15:59	phrik	Title: Firefox - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-13 21:18:23	coldenbrewed	I am quite stuck still
2021-08-13 21:18:36	coldenbrewed	I have no idea why the live image works while the installation doesn't on a mac
2021-08-13 21:18:45	coldenbrewed	I just wanna use arch on mac lol
2021-08-13 21:19:30	Namarrgon	coldenbrewed: fdisk -l /dev/usbdevicethatdoesn'tbootonyourmac
2021-08-13 21:20:31	coldenbrewed	Disk /dev/sde1: 300 MiB, 314572800 bytes, 614400 sectors
2021-08-13 21:20:31	coldenbrewed	Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
2021-08-13 21:20:31	coldenbrewed	Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
2021-08-13 21:20:31	coldenbrewed	I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
2021-08-13 21:20:31	coldenbrewed	Disklabel type: dos
2021-08-13 21:20:36	coldenbrewed	Looks quite normal for me
2021-08-13 21:21:18	Hello71	"on the macbook"?
2021-08-13 21:21:36	Hello71	did you ever actually say what kind of macbook
2021-08-13 21:21:52	Hello71	17:51 <coldenbrewed> just checked, I am rocking an i7 which is 64 bit
2021-08-13 21:22:05	coldenbrewed	The thttps://i.imgur.com/oj850ct.png
2021-08-13 21:22:10	coldenbrewed	here is the other infos
2021-08-13 21:22:22	coldenbrewed	Hello71 I am trying to boot arch installed on a usb on macbook
2021-08-13 21:22:38	coldenbrewed	But hte usb won't show up on the mac bootmenu
2021-08-13 21:23:00	Hello71	there are three different kinds of macbook and dozens of models
2021-08-13 21:23:13	coldenbrewed	Pro from 2013
2021-08-13 21:23:15	Hello71	there are also hundreds of kinds of intel i7 processors
2021-08-13 21:23:31	coldenbrewed	Other bits of information is tails and live iso works
2021-08-13 21:23:36	Hello71	there's two macbook pro models from 2013
2021-08-13 21:23:44	coldenbrewed	Namarrgon did that give you any insight?
2021-08-13 21:23:57	coldenbrewed	The specific model shouldn't matter
2021-08-13 21:24:06	coldenbrewed	it is smth I have in the installation that is messed up
2021-08-13 21:24:11	Hello71	!bail
2021-08-13 21:24:12	phrik	Looks like Hello71 is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2021-08-13 21:24:33	coldenbrewed	what does that mean?
2021-08-13 21:25:39	Hello71	if you can't bother to give required troubleshooting info then i'm out
2021-08-13 21:25:45	Hello71	the 2013 models don't even support the same macos versions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro#Supported_macOS_releases
2021-08-13 21:25:46	phrik	Title: MacBook Pro - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2021-08-13 21:26:07	coldenbrewed	I am planning on making this bootable on a majority of macs
2021-08-13 21:26:16	coldenbrewed	And that also includes another one from 2011
2021-08-13 21:26:35	coldenbrewed	They should all have the same booting functions since they are all modern devices
2021-08-13 21:26:48	mullagain	whats the problem? You can't boot to live media?
2021-08-13 21:26:54	coldenbrewed	If tails and live iso work then it is smth that is wrong with me but not the mac
2021-08-13 21:27:26	coldenbrewed	mullagain I am trying to boot arch installed on usb on a macbook, so far it is working on a PC and the arch live iso and tails also work
2021-08-13 21:28:01	coldenbrewed	but if i stick in the arch usb into the mac it won't even show up in the boot menu
2021-08-13 21:28:12	coldenbrewed	I feel like i am missing smth in the grub installation
2021-08-13 21:28:21	coldenbrewed	not the model number of the fucking mac
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2021-08-13 21:31:20	coldenbrewed	lol in that case I would have to trouble shoot every time I stick it in a new computer
2021-08-13 21:31:29	mullagain	uefi issue?
2021-08-13 21:31:49	heat	mac firmware is weird 
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2021-08-13 21:32:24	thrice	coldenbrewed: either way, you've come here for support, you shouldn't be shitty and dismiss quesitons from people trying to help, because you don't think it's relevant
2021-08-13 21:32:25	coldenbrewed	Namarrgon This is what I saw https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.howtogeek.com%2Fthumbcache%2F2%2F200%2F2ce2a65cc2072d8f189742a2aca47304%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F05%2Fsshot169.png&f=1&nofb=1
2021-08-13 21:32:37	Namarrgon	coldenbrewed: why is it "dos" type?
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2021-08-13 21:33:03	coldenbrewed	ikr that is weird
2021-08-13 21:33:12	heat	yah doesn't macOS always boot from a hpfs+ volume that's blessed or something
2021-08-13 21:33:17	Namarrgon	why did you make it weird?
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2021-08-13 21:33:26	Namarrgon	for uefi you want gpt
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2021-08-13 21:33:36	coldenbrewed	but if you look here https://i.imgur.com/ng7kmux.png
2021-08-13 21:33:45	coldenbrewed	it does who as efi
2021-08-13 21:33:51	Namarrgon	post the fdisk -l output to a paste service
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2021-08-13 21:34:02	Namarrgon	fdisk -l /dev/sde
2021-08-13 21:34:10	coldenbrewed	yup let me do that 
2021-08-13 21:34:26	Namarrgon	don't post pictures of text
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2021-08-13 21:34:58	coldenbrewed	https://pastebin.com/te56e5JV
2021-08-13 21:34:58	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-JG-.txt
2021-08-13 21:34:59	phrik	Title: fdisk -l - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2021-08-13 21:35:38	coldenbrewed	thrice I know, but sometimes the info they are asking just ain't any where close to what I need
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2021-08-13 21:35:39	Namarrgon	so it is gpt and you just posted the wrong output
2021-08-13 21:35:48	heat	what's sde1's filesystem?
2021-08-13 21:35:55	thrice	coldenbrewed: if you KNEW what you needed, you'd have it working :-)
2021-08-13 21:35:56	coldenbrewed	I was posting the sde1
2021-08-13 21:36:11	Namarrgon	"lsblk -f"
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2021-08-13 21:36:17	coldenbrewed	great
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2021-08-13 21:36:22	coldenbrewed	was gonna use the gnome disks
2021-08-13 21:36:35	coldenbrewed	vfat   FAT32
2021-08-13 21:36:42	Namarrgon	post the output...
2021-08-13 21:37:01	coldenbrewed	let me grep it with sde
2021-08-13 21:37:04	Namarrgon	don't grep it
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2021-08-13 21:37:10	Namarrgon	yes, we just saw what happens if you interpret the output yourself
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2021-08-13 21:39:06	coldenbrewed	Namarrgon https://pastebin.com/x1Xc67uA
2021-08-13 21:39:07	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-JGo.txt
2021-08-13 21:39:07	phrik	Title: lsblk - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-13 21:39:22	Namarrgon	"tree /mnt/boot"
2021-08-13 21:39:43	coldenbrewed	heat I was also thinking of that, maybe I need to run the bless step of smth like so, but since the arch iso worked I am not suer
2021-08-13 21:40:07	heat	yeah honestly I dunno, mac firmware is weird
2021-08-13 21:40:43	coldenbrewed	Namarrgon https://envs.sh/O9.txt
2021-08-13 21:40:51	coldenbrewed	better service I suppose than paste bin
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2021-08-13 21:43:05	coldenbrewed	The way I understand this is, since the arch live iso and tails is able to boot from both macs, it must be my installation missing some certain pieces of elements, both macs run on different cpu and mac os, but none of that should, under my current lack of understanding should not affect the boot menu from seeing the usb
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2021-08-13 21:57:38	Namarrgon	coldenbrewed: does legacy-boot work on that mac?
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2021-08-13 22:17:18	mpan	heftig: you may wish to see that: <https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=268750>. keyserver.ubuntu.com, despite seeing the key, is not providing it on --recv-keys.
2021-08-13 22:17:19	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Unknown public key error while building linux kernel / Creating & Modifying Packages / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-08-13 22:26:09	rawktucc	Hi there. Really not sure where to ask this. Trying to play Minecraft inside a namespace using Java 15 and 16.x. It never is able to connect to remote servers
2021-08-13 22:26:16	rawktucc	if I get outside the namespace everything is find, pings no issue.
2021-08-13 22:26:49	rawktucc	I am playing in a namespace because the server is behind a wireguard VPN
2021-08-13 22:26:50	rawktucc	If I wanted more help where should I go, or what culprit is possible here? thank you
2021-08-13 22:29:44	mion	posting configs/exactly how you set it up would be a start
2021-08-13 22:37:15	another|	what kind of namespace?
2021-08-13 22:38:57	⚡ 	mion assumes network namespace
2021-08-13 22:46:15	rawktucc	yes network namespace
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2021-08-13 23:10:08	tpr	can you ping the host from the namespace? does the host have ip_forwarding enabled?
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2021-08-13 23:10:23	tpr	is a default route set correctly inside the ns?
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2021-08-14 01:25:13	rawktucc	GTK is fine
2021-08-14 01:25:23	georgios	ok
2021-08-14 01:25:44	rawktucc	XFCE is the best full featured DE in my opinion. fast, slim, tons of plugins and support, great file manager, and if you install whisker menu you get lightning search
2021-08-14 01:26:02	rawktucc	only thing I wish I had were the icons like on Windows
2021-08-14 01:28:32	SponiX	what do you mean "icons like on Windows" ?
2021-08-14 01:29:16	SponiX	Yeah, thinking I might stay xfce and just get my plank launcher going again
2021-08-14 01:31:34	rawktucc	like just the application icon
2021-08-14 01:31:39	rawktucc	you click it and it has the windows cascaded inside
2021-08-14 01:31:48	rawktucc	im sure it's possible, i've done it, but I don't like having a huge taskbar
2021-08-14 01:42:03	y3k	Hello there o/
2021-08-14 01:42:13	y3k	Don't know if it's the best place to ask or not.
2021-08-14 01:42:50	y3k	But is there a way to mount a directory from the guest on a host through SSH ONLY when using a connection? something similar to the ssh-agent.
2021-08-14 01:43:18	y3k	What I want is to have sensitive files (e.g. aws/credentials) on my machine, and only "mount" them into the server when SSHing into it.
2021-08-14 01:43:30	sheep	sshfs?
2021-08-14 01:43:40	y3k	Are you asking me?
2021-08-14 01:43:45	y3k	I don't know, that's why I ask.
2021-08-14 01:43:52	sheep	have you considered using sshfs?
2021-08-14 01:43:55	Edu4rdSHL	!give y3k aw sshfs
2021-08-14 01:43:56	phrik	y3k: Sshfs - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Sshfs
2021-08-14 01:47:02	y3k	sshfs seems to allow mount a directory from the server as a local directory, I need it the other way around: when I do `ssh -t myserver tmux` have ~/foo mounted as `myserver:~/foo`
2021-08-14 01:47:30	sheep	you would run an ssh server on the client then have the server connect back with sshfs
2021-08-14 01:48:27	y3k	I was hoping not to do so, the client is laptop so I can't guarantee ports opened / forwarded :(
2021-08-14 01:48:58	SponiX	Yeah... Plank was all I needed. I feel at home again
2021-08-14 01:51:26	SponiX	rawktucc: thanks for your input
2021-08-14 01:51:34	rawktucc	:)
2021-08-14 01:51:37	rawktucc	Also don'
2021-08-14 01:51:54	rawktucc	Also don't get me wrong, GNOME is good, it works. It's why I use ubuntu at work, because it just works and it looks fancy
2021-08-14 01:51:57	rawktucc	but it's bloated, and I hate snaps
2021-08-14 01:52:48	mcoffin	y3k: you could use ssh tunneling to "forward" the ports, then connect that way. It's admittedly kinda janky, but if you're stuck with the ssh-only solution, that might be an option
2021-08-14 01:53:18	mcoffin	so, sshd on laptop, use ssh tunneling to forward traffic back, then ssh+sshfs\
2021-08-14 01:53:31	mcoffin	at least that's what I'd look in to next if I were attacking it that wya
2021-08-14 01:53:56	y3k	mcoffin: not stuck with SSH thankfully, I use it to get into the servers but I wouldn't mind a different approach for the FS issue.
2021-08-14 01:54:29	mcoffin	y3k: You could also just rsync/scp the ~/.aws dir to the remote server, then look for a way to auto-remove it on disconnect
2021-08-14 01:55:03	y3k	I mean, "ideally" I'd like to have it "automated" as for example the ssh-agent that "exposes" the private key without actually sharing the file; would love something alike with files.
2021-08-14 01:55:39	mcoffin	y3k: I mean if the info is accessible on the remote machine, then anything root on that remote is gonna have access
2021-08-14 01:55:45	mcoffin	end of story on that one
2021-08-14 01:55:56	mcoffin	no matter how it's exposed
2021-08-14 01:56:04	y3k	mcoffin: that was my first idea, but wanted to explore options first. Is there a way to ensure the auto-remove thing gets called on disconnect (I use tmux)?
2021-08-14 01:56:18	SponiX	rawktucc: well, I was debating doing gnome 40 on Arch. Not Ubuntu + snaps :)
2021-08-14 01:56:39	y3k	Well, I'm the only one that uses those remote machines, just don't feel "good" by leaving sensible files in there, would love to have them only while working on it.
2021-08-14 01:56:44	y3k	*with them
2021-08-14 01:56:49	SponiX	rawktucc: Honestly no need now though, I have my Plank Launcher setup and am content
2021-08-14 01:56:55	rawktucc	:) woo hoo!
2021-08-14 01:57:29	mcoffin	y3k: well, depending on your remote server, the way I would personally do it, is set up a mdcrypt partition on the remote with the creds, then make it start on startup for the systemd user daemon for my user, but that depends on how the re3mote sshd is setup and whatnot, and implies you have full control over the remote machine, so probably doesn't apply
2021-08-14 01:57:34	mcoffin	but that's how I'd go about it
2021-08-14 01:58:00	y3k	I do have full control of the remote server.
2021-08-14 01:58:06	y3k	I'll investigate about mdcrypt then.
2021-08-14 01:58:07	y3k	Thank you.
2021-08-14 01:58:50	mcoffin	well then the best way I'd say is yea just keep your ~/.aws on an encrypted partition, and mount the encrypted partition on startup for the systemd user daemon, and  unmount and stop (doable with systemd mount units)
2021-08-14 01:59:06	mcoffin	but obviously there are 1000 ways to do this
2021-08-14 01:59:25	mcoffin	unfortunately, unless you build it, none of them are "forward local dir with ssh client"
2021-08-14 01:59:33	y3k	Understood.
2021-08-14 01:59:37	⚡ 	mcoffin clarifies: afaik
2021-08-14 01:59:40	y3k	Thank you for the advice.
2021-08-14 01:59:46	mcoffin	np. good luck
2021-08-14 01:59:50	y3k	I think you're right, been googling for a while and can't find anything.
2021-08-14 02:00:20	mcoffin	y3k: since you have full control over the remote, I've never used it, but check out systemd-homed
2021-08-14 02:00:28	mcoffin	I've heard good things about it for managing encrypted home dirs
2021-08-14 02:00:47	mcoffin	obv depends on systemd being in use on the remote, but i HAVE heard good things
2021-08-14 02:00:54	mcoffin	even though I don't use it myself
2021-08-14 02:01:11	y3k	Just from the wiki page it looks interesting.
2021-08-14 02:01:13	y3k	I'll take a look.
2021-08-14 02:01:19	y3k	Thank you mcoffin
2021-08-14 02:13:32	nova	I am so sorry arch. Please forgive me. Arch was really the only distro ive ever used. I wanted to explore other minimalist distorts.
2021-08-14 02:14:10	nova	Distros so I tried nixos. Didn't like it. Then I tries gentoo. Couldn't install it cuz of circular dependency hell. I am crawling back now. I am sorrrrryyyyyyy
2021-08-14 02:14:30	nova	Sorry. Typing on a phone! I hate typing on a phone...
2021-08-14 02:14:56	thrice	K
2021-08-14 02:15:19	coruja	!check if arch should forgive nova 
2021-08-14 02:15:19	phrik	Testing if arch should forgive nova: [PASS]
2021-08-14 02:15:27	coruja	:)
2021-08-14 02:15:30	y3k	lmao
2021-08-14 02:15:48	nova	phrik and I go way back. I knew they'd have my phriking back.
2021-08-14 02:15:49	phrik	nova: No idea
2021-08-14 02:16:42	nova	Good job on the installer by the way. It's subtly different from a few years ago but real nice
2021-08-14 04:12:48	jaawerth	hrm so I just had a power loss mid-pacman-Syu, I did the arch-root, pacman -Syu'd, etc to recover archiso, but after reboot  NetworkManager was dead; I ended up backing up and deleting all the "file exists" error paths to get pacman -U working for it, which worked, but... now I have doubts about the state of other systems. anything else I might want to run to, like, double-check? running a big
2021-08-14 04:12:50	jaawerth	`paccheck` now, just in case
2021-08-14 04:15:24	kevr	scary
2021-08-14 04:16:51	jaawerth	yeah... this coputer is on its last legs. it can't recognize the power adapter anymore so it's always a sneeze away from death
2021-08-14 04:16:59	jaawerth	so I'm mostly prolonging the inevitable anyway, at least
2021-08-14 04:17:22	jaawerth	seems to have some mtree not available stuff and a few missing packages, but I still have my desktop environment
2021-08-14 04:17:42	jaawerth	amazingly. it was rather easy to recover this far, gotta love it
2021-08-14 04:17:58	kevr	(:
2021-08-14 04:21:00	jaawerth	`pacman --noconfirm -U  /var/cache/pacman/pkg/networkmanager-1.32.8-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst | sed -nE 's/networkmanager:\s+(.+)\s+exists in filesystem/\1/gp' | while IFS= read -r f; do cp -a --parents "$f" nm-backup/ && rm "$f"; done` was rather foolhardy but it did the trick to wipe the slate and get it reinstalled lol. for once I'm glad it uses dconf for state info
2021-08-14 04:26:24	jaawerth	suffice to say this is a sign that my backup solution isn't good enough since I've already decided restoring from bacup would be too annoying
2021-08-14 04:29:02	kevr	jaawerth: check out borg
2021-08-14 04:29:04	kevr	it's amazing
2021-08-14 04:29:12	kevr	absolutely amazing
2021-08-14 04:30:17	mefistofeles	or restic
2021-08-14 04:35:01	jaawerth	haha thanks - I use restic but I back up to s3-compatible object storage and tbh I don't run it often enough (also it turns out pruning and the like can get expensive with over the network on metered storage)
2021-08-14 04:35:28	jaawerth	I should increase the schedule but I'm thinking of switching to borg and running it all on some intermediate place before sending the repo to der cloud
2021-08-14 04:35:38	kevr	setup a nas!
2021-08-14 04:36:39	jaawerth	that's the plan! that or an actual server somewhere via kimsufi or whatever
2021-08-14 04:40:03	kevr	nice!
2021-08-14 05:59:14	Edu4rdSHL	jaawerth, filesystem snapshots are awesome
2021-08-14 05:59:22	Edu4rdSHL	Like BTRFS or ZFS
2021-08-14 06:11:09	nova	ParallelDownloads
2021-08-14 06:11:53	nova	I set that to `nproc` - 3 and it's so fast.
2021-08-14 06:57:13	nova	pacman -S interception-tools -> error: interception-tools: signature from "Brett Cornwall <brett@i--b.com>" is unknown trust
2021-08-14 06:57:23	nova	do I need to install archlinux-keyring or something?
2021-08-14 06:58:07	nova	huh it was already installed, but reinstalling it fixed it. @_@
2021-08-14 07:37:27	jaawerth	Edu4rdSHL: yeah, new laptop I finally pulled the triger on btrfs. on this one I didn't do lvm, which I now regret
2021-08-14 07:38:44	jaawerth	(I considered zfs, but the out-of-the-box kernel upport made me not want to bother
2021-08-14 09:50:28	Hax0r	Hello all, I just did a pacman -Syu and got a big list of packages.. not the usual.. about 1gb of packages.. 
2021-08-14 09:50:53	Hax0r	Total Download Size:    703.38 MiB
2021-08-14 09:50:53	Hax0r	Total Installed Size:  1615.24 MiB
2021-08-14 09:50:53	Hax0r	Net Upgrade Size:        13.42 MiB
2021-08-14 09:55:25	Betal	Hax0r: got linux/nvidia/kde in same update?
2021-08-14 09:56:33	dav1d	seems pretty normal
2021-08-14 09:56:46	Hax0r	Betal, Nope.. seem like (many KDE stuff)
2021-08-14 09:56:50	Hax0r	akonadi-21.08.0-1  akonadi-calendar-21.08.0-1  akonadi-calendar-tools-21.08.0-1  akonadi-contacts-21.08.0-1
2021-08-14 09:56:50	Hax0r	               akonadi-import-wizard-21.08.0-1  akonadi-mime-21.08.0-1  akonadi-notes-21.08.0-1  akonadi-search-21.08.0-1
2021-08-14 09:56:50	Hax0r	               akonadiconsole-21.08.0-1  akregator-21.08.0-1  analitza-21.08.0-1  ark-21.08.0-1  artikulate-21.08.0-1
2021-08-14 09:56:50	Hax0r	               audiocd-kio-21.08.0-1  baloo-widgets-21.08.0-1  blinken-21.08.0-1  bomber-21.08.0-1  bovo-21.08.0-1
2021-08-14 09:56:53	Hax0r	               calendarsupport-21.08.0-1  cantor-21.08.0-1  cervisia-21.08.0-1  dolphin-21.08.0-1  dolphin-plugins-21.08.0-1
2021-08-14 09:56:56	Hax0r	               dragon-21.08.0-1  elisa-21.08.0-1  eventviews-21.08.0-1  ffmpegthumbs-21.08.0-1  filelight-21.08.0-1
2021-08-14 09:56:59	Hax0r	               granatier-21.08.0-1  grantlee-editor-21.08.0-1  grantleetheme-21.08.0-1  gwenview-21.08.0-1  imlib2-1.7.3-1
2021-08-14 09:57:04	Hax0r	               incidenceeditor-21.08.0-1  itinerary-21.08.0-1  juk-21.08.0-1  k3b-1:21.08.0-1
2021-08-14 09:57:06	Hax0r	               kaccounts-integration-21.08.0-1  kaccounts-providers-21.08.0-1  kaddressbook-21.08.0-1  kajongg-21.08.0-1
2021-08-14 09:57:08	Betal	oh noes
2021-08-14 09:57:09	Hax0r	               kalarm-21.08.0-1  kalarmcal-21.08.0-1  kalgebra-21.08.0-1  kalzium-21.08.0-1  kamera-21.08.0-1
2021-08-14 09:57:26	Betal	as we can see, yes, he got kde update ;)
2021-08-14 09:57:38	Hax0r	sorry, didn't mean to flood
2021-08-14 09:57:42	Betal	!give Hax0r paste
2021-08-14 09:57:43	phrik	Hax0r: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-14 09:58:01	Hax0r	ok, sorry :)
2021-08-14 09:58:17	Hax0r	How do I roll back and remove those things?? (I'm new to arch)
2021-08-14 09:58:30	Betal	why remove?
2021-08-14 09:58:35	Betal	you just update
2021-08-14 09:58:41	Hax0r	ok!
2021-08-14 09:59:28	Betal	and yes, that what I mean with kde, every package that is update because of kde 21.08
2021-08-14 10:00:29	Hax0r	Betal, makes sense now.. new KDE!
2021-08-14 10:01:02	Hax0r	I want to remove those games though.. it downloaded card games, mahjong, etc..
2021-08-14 10:01:57	dav1d	how did you install them?
2021-08-14 10:02:37	Hax0r	What I remember is that yesterday I did a pacman-Syy or something like that.. 
2021-08-14 10:03:03	Hax0r	today, I boot up, do the usual "pacman -Syu"... and got those bunch of packages to upgrade
2021-08-14 10:03:13	Hax0r	I don't know what I did, but it has to do with what I did yesterady
2021-08-14 10:03:44	Hax0r	Yesterday I did> pacman -Suu
2021-08-14 10:03:46	dav1d	`pacman -Syu` updates your system and all installed packages, so it is normal that you sometimes get a bigger list 
2021-08-14 10:03:54	Betal	ok, but how did you installed kde?
2021-08-14 10:04:03	dav1d	^
2021-08-14 10:04:33	Hax0r	I followed a guide on Arch wiki and it installed.. very basic, very minimal, and it was working..
2021-08-14 10:04:51	Hax0r	I think I messed something up with "pacman -Suu" or "pacman -Scc"
2021-08-14 10:05:00	Hax0r	I did something wrong yesterday..
2021-08-14 10:05:44	dav1d	if you dont pass any package name to pacman, it wont install anything on its own
2021-08-14 10:06:23	Hax0r	That means it's just a normal upgrade.. I'll just remove game packages later.. 
2021-08-14 10:06:40	dav1d	I am so confused
2021-08-14 10:07:18	Hax0r	All I remember is that yesterday, I did "pacman -Suu" and "pacman -Scc"... to check what they do...
2021-08-14 10:07:42	Hax0r	Today, I boot up.. do a "pacman -Syu"... which is something I do everytime I boot
2021-08-14 10:07:49	Hax0r	and I got that big list of packages..
2021-08-14 10:07:51	Betal	Hax0r: are you using arch or some derivate?
2021-08-14 10:08:14	Hax0r	Arch.. pure Arch from the main website
2021-08-14 10:08:34	Hax0r	I had XFCE first, then I installed KDE.. and all was fine for a week..
2021-08-14 10:08:43	Hax0r	I must have done something wrong yesterday
2021-08-14 10:09:54	Betal	Hax0r: 1) check bash history instead of thinking what you did yesterday, 2) read again https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE#Installation
2021-08-14 10:09:55	phrik	Title: KDE - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-14 10:09:57	Hax0r	When I check the Applications Menu now.. I see I have a bunch of apps... Mathematics, Games, Icon veiwer, stuff I don't really need and never wanted.
2021-08-14 10:10:49	Hax0r	I did "pacman -Syy" and "pacman -Scc" and "packman -Suu"... still no idea what they do :)
2021-08-14 10:10:56	Hax0r	lol
2021-08-14 10:11:05	HEX0	Hax0r:   $ man pacman
2021-08-14 10:13:36	HEX0	Hax0r: I'm guessing you installed kde-applications group or the kde-applications-meta meta-package
2021-08-14 10:15:32	HEX0	or maybe xfce leftovers
2021-08-14 10:15:55	Hax0r	I think you're right..
2021-08-14 10:16:15	Hax0r	How do I remove those games, math apps, etc..?
2021-08-14 10:19:41	HEX0	Hax0r: look at   pacman -Qqe  and pacman -Qqtt and remove stuff not needed
2021-08-14 10:21:07	HEX0	Hax0r: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Packages_and_dependencies
2021-08-14 10:21:09	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-14 10:21:47	HEX0	Hax0r: I guess it would be better to "List explicitly installed packages not in the base meta package or base-devel package group: "
2021-08-14 10:35:02	Hax0r	HEX0, Thank you very much! That helps!
2021-08-14 10:36:36	Hax0r	phrik, Thanks a lot to you too :)
2021-08-14 10:36:37	phrik	You're welcome, Hax0r.
2021-08-14 10:37:45	rooiratel	Hi Everyone. :)
2021-08-14 10:38:18	rooiratel	Does anyone know if it is possible to connect to a VPN via openconnect and using systemd-networkd?
2021-08-14 10:43:19	mitch0	dammit, they borked konsole again
2021-08-14 10:43:25	lambda	rooiratel: how exactly do you want it to interact with systemd-networkd? I just made myself a .service that reads the cookie file
2021-08-14 10:45:19	rooiratel	@lambda I was previously using NetworkManager. This is for my work laptop. The VPN is the company's VPN, that I use to connect to certain internal sites.
2021-08-14 10:46:00	rooiratel	I am just trying to connect to the VPN (using openconnect) which does not seem to be working, but I did have it working before with NetworkManager on a previous installation.
2021-08-14 10:46:28	lambda	not even running plain openconnect from the command line works?
2021-08-14 10:48:27	rooiratel	I use the following command in a terminal : openconnect --authenticate vpn.domain.com  | Then it authenticates correctly. Even get 2FA. But then I still have the same IP address and I am unable to connect to any internal servers.
2021-08-14 10:54:32	lambda	rooiratel: well --authenticate doesn't actually connect, it just spits out the cookie you can use to run the privileged instance
2021-08-14 10:55:08	lambda	your user can't open tun devices, and you don't want to have to feed your password to the VPN client running as root, so you use the cookie
2021-08-14 10:56:39	rooiratel	lambda oh okay that makes sense. Can you point me to some docs to show me how to connect using the cookie?
2021-08-14 10:57:03	lambda	man 8 openconnect
2021-08-14 10:57:32	lambda	see the description for --authenticate
2021-08-14 11:02:38	rooiratel	lambda thanks! I have managed to open the connection now.
2021-08-14 11:20:08	varaindemian	why is arch considered the closest distro to macos?
2021-08-14 11:21:03	NetSysFire	we dont know, who said that
2021-08-14 11:21:26	docmax_	closest is freebsd
2021-08-14 11:21:50	DigitalKiwi	funnily enough the closest linux to macos i've seen was done with nixos lol
2021-08-14 11:24:28	lordrishav	varaindemian: You start Arch Linux first time, you get a big blank terminal
2021-08-14 11:24:40	lordrishav	You start MacOS, you get a beautiful GUI
2021-08-14 11:25:11	NetSysFire	"beautiful"
2021-08-14 11:25:35	lordrishav	Mac UI looks good at a glance
2021-08-14 11:25:42	lordrishav	Never used Mac personally
2021-08-14 11:26:13	varaindemian	it really does
2021-08-14 11:26:59	lordrishav	You can get elementaryOS if you want a Mac like feel
2021-08-14 11:27:17	Hax0r	Used Mac for 10 years.. it sucks.. always had to use Windows/Linux for things I couldn't do on mac
2021-08-14 11:27:59	Hax0r	Beautiful hardware, but a system that is closed like a safebox and hinders usability.. SUCKS
2021-08-14 11:28:16	lordrishav	Maybe on the inside it is bad, but the UI does look good
2021-08-14 11:28:31	Hax0r	KDE looks much better ;)
2021-08-14 11:28:49	lordrishav	>"a system that is closed like a safebox": that is good for security reasons
2021-08-14 11:28:59	NetSysFire	nah not really
2021-08-14 11:29:06	NetSysFire	but this isnt a discussion that belongs here
2021-08-14 11:29:26	Hax0r	I spent $2,000 on a thinkpad and have Arch installed along with Windows.. what a breeze
2021-08-14 11:29:44	Hax0r	NetSysFire, sure, will stop
2021-08-14 11:29:58	NetSysFire	no i meant lordrishav not you lol
2021-08-14 11:30:21	Hax0r	I'll stop too,, coulda gotten outta hand lol
2021-08-14 11:32:13	DigitalKiwi	https://stuff.samueldr.com/screenshots/2020/10/20201014202314_4i4qtrmqlfc68yt9v9b.png
2021-08-14 11:40:48	lordrishav	uh
2021-08-14 11:41:07	lordrishav	Is that GoboLinux or something
2021-08-14 11:42:11	DigitalKiwi	https://gitlab.com/samueldr/nixos-configuration/-/blob/master/profiles/desktop.nix#L203-227
2021-08-14 11:42:17	phrik	Title: profiles/desktop.nix · master · Samuel Dionne-Riel / nixos-configuration · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2021-08-14 11:42:18	varaindemian	manjaro is for beginners?
2021-08-14 11:42:21	NetSysFire	no
2021-08-14 11:42:24	NetSysFire	manjaro is bad
2021-08-14 11:42:33	NetSysFire	manjaro is certainly not for beginners
2021-08-14 11:42:59	DigitalKiwi	https://gitlab.com/samueldr/nixos-configuration/-/blob/master/overlays/gobohide/gobohide/default.nix
2021-08-14 11:43:01	phrik	Title: overlays/gobohide/gobohide/default.nix · master · Samuel Dionne-Riel / nixos-configuration · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2021-08-14 11:43:06	DigitalKiwi	i think it used that
2021-08-14 11:43:37	varaindemian	NetSysFire: EndeavourOS  then?
2021-08-14 11:43:43	NetSysFire	no
2021-08-14 11:43:48	varaindemian	:(
2021-08-14 11:44:19	NetSysFire	first of all we dont support any derivatives here and all of them are rolling release distros, these arent anything a beginner should use
2021-08-14 11:45:09	lordrishav	varaindemian: Arch Linux -> If you want to get in. Endeavour -> If you want to get into Arch quick. Manjaro -> If you want to get a bad view of GNU/Linux
2021-08-14 11:45:39	DigitalKiwi	https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-aarch64/2020-10-15
2021-08-14 11:45:49	varaindemian	lordrishav: that's what I was looking for
2021-08-14 11:46:21	lordrishav	Also Garuda Linux -> If you hate ricing and want a quick and configured Arch install
2021-08-14 11:46:55	Namarrgon	if you install endeavouros then you don't get arch, you get endeavouros
2021-08-14 11:46:59	NetSysFire	^
2021-08-14 11:47:17	Namarrgon	all of these spins have tiny communities, not ideal for a newbie
2021-08-14 11:47:38	lordrishav	Namarrgon: I think that's more valid with Manjaro, because it uses seperate repos and package manager
2021-08-14 11:47:58	Namarrgon	it's the case with all spins
2021-08-14 11:48:16	Namarrgon	they throw you into the deep end and when the next update breaks your system you'll drown
2021-08-14 11:48:36	lordrishav	Endeavour and Garuda use Arch's repos
2021-08-14 11:48:40	DigitalKiwi	and here https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat/2020-01-31
2021-08-14 11:48:53	lordrishav	DigitalKiwi: What is it
2021-08-14 11:48:55	NetSysFire	lordrishav: its still not arch
2021-08-14 11:48:56	Namarrgon	lordrishav: it's irrelevant, the arch community will refuse support for these
2021-08-14 11:49:01	docmax	my UI: xfce4 + chicago95
2021-08-14 11:49:27	DigitalKiwi	lordrishav: the conversations i remmember around that screenshot of that gobohide
2021-08-14 11:50:01	varaindemian	 `Even though your system is running as close to Arch, DON’T post on the Arch forum also, this is not appreciated by the Arch forum members.`
2021-08-14 11:50:14	NetSysFire	yes, exactly this
2021-08-14 11:50:31	DigitalKiwi	hue hue
2021-08-14 11:51:24	lordrishav	varaindemian: I like it, because generally people skip the Arch install process and jump into Endeavour or something, and then they don't know what their software their system is actually running
2021-08-14 11:51:54	NetSysFire	which is the case for most spins really
2021-08-14 11:51:59	lordrishav	Installing Arch is not hard, why do people fear it though?
2021-08-14 11:52:02	NetSysFire	and even if you do, its still not arch
2021-08-14 11:52:34	varaindemian	I am not afraid of installing it I just don't want to spend ~1 day configuring it when I can have something out of the box and tested
2021-08-14 11:53:14	varaindemian	even if you install Arch it's still not Arch :D
2021-08-14 11:53:20	lordrishav	varaindemian: You won't get community support then. If you don't have a problem with it, go with the distro you like
2021-08-14 11:53:37	lordrishav	:)
2021-08-14 11:55:33	Namarrgon	the spins only cause frustration on all both, user and support, when you do need help one day. then users write angry tweets about how bad arch and its community are.
2021-08-14 11:55:40	Namarrgon	s/all//
2021-08-14 12:27:59	earnestly	That can be beneficial as it alienates unwanted users, both those who write such things and those who would be influenced by such writings
2021-08-14 12:33:27	nepexoga	i run artix, endeavour, parabola, & systemrescue. i dont need community help
2021-08-14 12:33:47	thrice	lol
2021-08-14 12:35:36	Namarrgon	it's only a problem when it starts affecting other people
2021-08-14 12:40:12	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-14 12:46:49	carbolymer	shadow.service reports: user 'news': directory '/home/news' does not exist
2021-08-14 12:47:03	carbolymer	how can I fix that? i'm not sure that I need /home/news in my system
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2021-08-14 12:47:53	carbolymer	I'm not sure where this user came from...
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2021-08-14 12:48:14	Namarrgon	is it owned by any package?
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2021-08-14 12:49:09	carbolymer	Namarrgon: is there any way to check that?
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2021-08-14 12:49:18	Namarrgon	pacman -Qo /path/to/file
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2021-08-14 12:49:54	Namarrgon	are you sure you didn't create that user?
2021-08-14 12:50:34	carbolymer	I'm sure that I didn't create it manually, it must have been some package
2021-08-14 12:50:55	Namarrgon	do you remember installing any "news" related packages?
2021-08-14 12:51:45	Namarrgon	grep your pacman log if you don't remember
2021-08-14 12:51:46	frostwork	maybe the dir creation timestamp leads to some installed package
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2021-08-14 12:53:15	Namarrgon	the directory doesn't exist
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2021-08-14 12:53:33	ℹ 	mwielgus es conocido ahora como mikolajw
2021-08-14 12:53:59	frostwork	oh, that might be a problem :) - sry, haven't followed the discussion too closely obviously
2021-08-14 12:54:06	carbolymer	Namarrgon: pacman log is a good hint! thx
2021-08-14 12:54:13	carbolymer	5 years ago I've installed inn idk why lol
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2021-08-14 12:55:25	mikolajw	hello
2021-08-14 12:55:37	NetSysFire	!welcomerpg
2021-08-14 12:55:38	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux - How can we assist you?
2021-08-14 12:56:03	mikolajw	I have a problem with GDB -- it's very slow since some update, which I haven't pinned down yet
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2021-08-14 12:56:20	NetSysFire	!give mikolajw aw debugging regressions
2021-08-14 12:56:21	phrik	mikolajw: Debugging regressions - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debugging_regressions
2021-08-14 12:56:23	mikolajw	there is a long delay before the application launches after I write "run"
2021-08-14 12:56:37	NetSysFire	strace and --verbose could help you here
2021-08-14 12:56:42	NetSysFire	debugging a debugger hah
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2021-08-14 12:56:59	mikolajw	also, there is a very long delay when I write "bt"
2021-08-14 12:57:36	mikolajw	I've straced what happens for the "bt" (but haven't saved a log) and found out that there is a very large amount of brk() calls going on consecurively, with argument incrementing
2021-08-14 12:57:43	mikolajw	few hundred at least
2021-08-14 12:57:44	Namarrgon	does it depend on the program you're loading into gdb?
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2021-08-14 12:57:55	phrik	nklsfrt_: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
2021-08-14 12:58:03	nklsfrt_	whoops
2021-08-14 12:58:04	nklsfrt_	:D
2021-08-14 12:58:26	mikolajw	I've tried with two programs, KiCad and GIMP, and the problem occured at both
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2021-08-14 12:59:47	mikolajw	the problem, after update,  occured simultaneously with FS#69657. But FS#69657 later disappeared, yet the performance regression is still here 
2021-08-14 13:00:10	Namarrgon	at least with gimp it all seems to work as usual here
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2021-08-14 13:00:46	mikolajw	I've downgraded my entire Arch system to 2021/01/31 snapshot and the problem disappeared
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2021-08-14 13:01:58	mikolajw	could it be due to Glibc 2.33?
2021-08-14 13:02:24	NetSysFire	check your pacman.log and see if gdb was updated
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2021-08-14 13:04:33	mikolajw	unfortunately I don't have that in logs anymore, as I've done a total system wipe some time after the bug has appeared
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2021-08-14 13:55:23	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-14 14:41:55	btrfs	I was skimming through the wiki. Anyone know what I have to do to get a btrfs installation as "/"? Is it basically the same as the ext4 installation, except that we do "mkfs.btrfs" instead of "mkfs.ext4", and then pacstrap the extra "btrfs-progs"? Or, are there other changes that we need to modify, i.e., concerning grub?
2021-08-14 14:43:12	Foxboron	btrfs: It should be explained on the wiki adequately? Is there anything there you don't understand?
2021-08-14 14:43:14	btrfs	I believe that grub-btrfs isn't necessary, since its purpose is to "include snapshots into grub menu"
2021-08-14 14:44:06	Foxboron	Hm no, the wiki is fairly confusing
2021-08-14 14:45:06	btrfs	Foxboron: I'm looking at the "File systems" page now. It seems that I only need btrfs-progs. I guess I'll just try with that, see how it goes :)
2021-08-14 14:45:17	btrfs	And I'll pay more attention, i.e., by re-reading the grub page
2021-08-14 14:45:21	demonicmaniac	that's all you need yes - unless you want to do subvolumes and such
2021-08-14 14:45:30	Foxboron	You should add a subvolume to /, yes
2021-08-14 14:45:43	demonicmaniac	also you might want do adjust the mount options
2021-08-14 14:46:04	Foxboron	Nah, just if you want the compression
2021-08-14 14:46:10	Foxboron	Rest should be set in a sane manner
2021-08-14 14:46:47	demonicmaniac	thus "might" :)
2021-08-14 14:46:50	btrfs	I think I'm comfortable adjusting mount options in fstab and stuff, but I'm not sure why I need a subvolume---This is a small computer, I'm just planning to have a big volume as "/". Are there complications for a tmpfs or something, causing me "having" to use a subvolume?
2021-08-14 14:47:15	btrfs	I recall that tmpfs stuff is dealt in the RAM, so I don't think it's particularly related with btrfs
2021-08-14 14:47:39	demonicmaniac	compress=zstd:3 is love
2021-08-14 14:48:41	btrfs	Hmm
2021-08-14 14:49:01	⚡ 	btrfs also considers about having ZFS stuff, but he doesn't think it's worthwhile
2021-08-14 14:49:34	Foxboron	demonicmaniac: :3 is default. :1 is fine
2021-08-14 14:49:59	btrfs	Well, I'm actually ranting in my head that "Linux doesn't really have drivers and most things work out of the box", since that means a lot of kernel modules for stuff that I never use... 
2021-08-14 14:50:45	btrfs	I'm also ranting that Gentoo uses some Stage 3 Archive rather than actually building from the ground up. But I never found something that's from the ground up but also has a package manager
2021-08-14 14:51:24	thrice	gentoo has stage 1 and 2
2021-08-14 14:51:36	demonicmaniac	Foxboron: eh
2021-08-14 14:53:00	Foxboron	demonicmaniac: sap
2021-08-14 14:55:18	demonicmaniac	zstd still isn't the default though if you specify just compression but yes 3 is default. i guess 1/2/3/4/5/6 really just depends on your cpu speed and your disk space
2021-08-14 14:56:06	demonicmaniac	for funsies i tried zstd:9 once
2021-08-14 14:56:08	Foxboron	demonicmaniac: I meant :3 is the default for zstd. no compression is still default :p
2021-08-14 14:56:26	demonicmaniac	and 15 once
2021-08-14 14:56:28	Foxboron	:1 is still better then lzo, and *way* faster. At :3 you start sacrificing io more
2021-08-14 14:56:34	demonicmaniac	zstd:15 actually caused fun stuff to happen
2021-08-14 14:56:46	Foxboron	lol
2021-08-14 14:57:07	demonicmaniac	presumably something in the io layer didn't like the minutes of delay
2021-08-14 14:57:43	Foxboron	:p
2021-08-14 15:14:22	cyphertite	btrfs:  do what you want, but to understand what you have, or have not, done - run `btrfs subvol list -t /`
2021-08-14 15:18:20	Edu4rdSHL	filesystem compression > filesystem snapshots
2021-08-14 15:18:22	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2021-08-14 15:30:16	nij-	I use `paperkey` to turn my private key into human readable texts.
2021-08-14 15:30:37	nij-	Do I have to keep an exact version of `paperkey` as well? And even better, to understand the source code by myself?
2021-08-14 15:52:02	cyphertite	nij-:  what is your use case for turning 'my private key into human readable texts'?
2021-08-14 15:52:55	GuiToris	hello, I also tried asking this on #kde but I got no answer. I rebooted my system (I didn't update it) and all my desktop settings are gone, wallpaper, plasmoids everything. I don't know what could have happened. So I have backups. Does anyone know where KDE stores these settings?
2021-08-14 15:53:23	GuiToris	I assume it's just a file, and if I restore that, everything will be fine again
2021-08-14 15:57:34	nij-	cyphertite: I write them down onto a paper, sealed it, and stored it somewhere in the pacific ocean.
2021-08-14 15:57:42	nij-	(just kidding for the ocean part)
2021-08-14 15:59:53	AndrewYu	nij-: I would do that if I was going to memorize an important key
2021-08-14 16:01:16	cyphertite	nij-:  I prefer setting each of my private keys within /home/<userID>/.gnupg/private-keys-v1.d to '-r--------' which equates to 400 file permissions ;p
2021-08-14 16:03:26	AndrewYu	Yay!
2021-08-14 16:03:27	AndrewYu	warning: dependency cycle detected:
2021-08-14 16:03:46	Edu4rdSHL	AndrewYu, ignore that warning
2021-08-14 16:04:02	AndrewYu	Edu4rdSHL: I know :)
2021-08-14 16:06:46	AndrewYu	Oof, I thought that paperkey was something that's useful for converting keys into something like words, similar to a Monero/Bitcoin recovery phrase. Seems that it's not the case.
2021-08-14 16:16:49	niki	AndrewYu: I think those are only really useful if you want to remember them in your head, which i don't recommend for gnupg keys :D
2021-08-14 16:17:16	AndrewYu	niki: Why are they not recommended for gnupg keys? If somebody is able to remember a lot of words, it's good?
2021-08-14 16:18:11	AndrewYu	Well maybe the FBI could come up to you and force you to speak it out to them, however they can as easily get physical items from you that contain your key in a more readily-usable manner
2021-08-14 16:29:39	HypeLevels	Does anyone else have issues with GNOME 40.3.0 being extremely laggy after some time of use on Arch kernel 5.13.10-arch1-1
2021-08-14 16:29:48	HypeLevels	gnome-shell is currently using 60
2021-08-14 16:29:53	HypeLevels	60% of the cpu*
2021-08-14 16:30:11	ishitatsuyuki	try "sudo perf top". what does the top entries look like?
2021-08-14 16:30:29	HypeLevels	1 second
2021-08-14 16:31:17	HypeLevels	[nvidia] and 3x [kernel] perf [unkown] and libc
2021-08-14 16:31:45	HypeLevels	I can host a screenshot if you prefeer
2021-08-14 16:32:13	HypeLevels	Right now it isn't laggy, it comes and goes which is what is weird 
2021-08-14 16:32:38	ishitatsuyuki	if it's still like that when it's laggy then it's probably the proprietary driver not playing well...
2021-08-14 16:33:08	HypeLevels	It's insanely weird, right now it show 60% usage from GNOME Shell in Usage app 
2021-08-14 16:33:11	HypeLevels	but it isn't laggy
2021-08-14 16:33:16	HypeLevels	other times it lags the whole computer
2021-08-14 16:33:17	ishitatsuyuki	do you run X or Wayland?
2021-08-14 16:33:25	HypeLevels	X afaik
2021-08-14 16:33:31	ishitatsuyuki	hmm
2021-08-14 16:33:40	ishitatsuyuki	(you can check in system settings)
2021-08-14 16:33:45	HypeLevels	Yep X11
2021-08-14 16:34:17	ishitatsuyuki	i don't run nvidia so unfortunately I have no idea what might be the problem
2021-08-14 16:34:27	HypeLevels	I also notice when it lags pulseaudio cpu usage increases and the audio gets kinda glitchy 
2021-08-14 16:34:55	ishitatsuyuki	well, if your CPU thermal throttles then everything increases in cpu usage so...
2021-08-14 16:35:08	HypeLevels	temps should be normal, let me check
2021-08-14 16:35:20	HypeLevels	36C
2021-08-14 16:35:29	ishitatsuyuki	no idea :(
2021-08-14 16:35:38	HypeLevels	These days have been reeeeally confusing 
2021-08-14 16:35:51	HypeLevels	I got to the point that idk anymore lol
2021-08-14 16:36:05	HypeLevels	Well thanks for trying to help, I still appreciate it 
2021-08-14 17:09:48	Xogium	hi guys :) hopefully easy question… I'm trying to use rclone mount with the --daemon option here, and I'm not quite sure why, it hangs and doesn't return me to my terminal. Anyone here ever faced that issue ? I tried to research on internet, but I haven't found something similar
2021-08-14 17:10:32	Xogium	using it for nextcloud webdav
2021-08-14 17:23:37	zbe	Can anyone using libvirt-manager test if usb redirect to any linux guest is working for them?
2021-08-14 17:30:26	Jovan	zbe: not for me (ubuntu 20.04 guest, plugged in my usb stick)
2021-08-14 17:32:48	zbe	s/libvirt/virt, anyway.. you can see usb stick with lsusb or lsblk, but cant mount it right?
2021-08-14 17:35:15	zbe	Anyhow, I rebuilt spice-gtk with usbredir-0.11.0 and it seems to work afterwards. If anyone cares.. :P
2021-08-14 17:35:38	Jovan	managed to mount it
2021-08-14 17:35:52	zbe	K, weird then.
2021-08-14 17:36:30	zbe	Some live usb seems to work, but not any other. It works in win10 guest though
2021-08-14 17:37:13	Jovan	not sure if this means anything but the first time it recognized my usb as a kingston stick (which it is), while the 2nd time it was recognized as "apacer" and it was mounted the 2nd time only
2021-08-14 17:38:19	Jovan	001:009 Apacer Technology, Inc. FLASH DRIVE
2021-08-14 17:40:13	zbe	No idea. But i was getting some block errors or something on every stick. And constant usb resets. And mount command just hangs.
2021-08-14 17:40:35	Jovan	weird
2021-08-14 17:41:08	zbe	SO just asking before i file a bug report....when im not lazy :P
2021-08-14 17:42:11	SysGhost	I just tested usb redirect, and it works as intended. No problems. Before assuming it's the redirection that are at fault, make sure the very same USB device(s) and port(s) are functioning properly on the host itself. Rule out actual hardware problems.
2021-08-14 17:42:43	zbe	Yeah they work. tested with multiple sticks, usb3/2 ports...
2021-08-14 17:43:34	SysGhost	There are however some really old USB 1.x devices that doesn't work nicely at all when redirected. They usually require some very VERY precise signal timing that doesn't work when redirected.
2021-08-14 17:43:43	SysGhost	I mean... really old devices.
2021-08-14 17:44:01	SysGhost	From the very youth of USB itself
2021-08-14 17:44:51	zbe	Nah i remember they worked before. But dont remember if it was on arch
2021-08-14 17:45:23	SysGhost	Something with your particular setup then. It works fine here.
2021-08-14 17:45:28	zbe	One liv usb stick get recognized but not any other
2021-08-14 17:45:34	zbe	Yeah could be
2021-08-14 17:46:11	zbe	Anyway I solved it with rebuilding spice-gtk and usbredir-0.11 ...i think.
2021-08-14 17:54:52	jimmy399	Hy everybody!
2021-08-14 17:55:18	jonathon	o/
2021-08-14 17:56:22	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-14 19:37:18	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-08-14 19:37:18	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1284 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1283 normals)
2021-08-14 19:37:18	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-14 19:42:51	ℹ 	bhava1 es conocido ahora como bhava
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2021-08-14 19:48:41	foxdie	Hello everyone!
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2021-08-14 20:05:15	cyphertite	AndrewYu:  here is an example of a very simple, but secure password I just generated within keepassxc.  Do you actually think any human could memorize it? 
2021-08-14 20:05:18	cyphertite	@a`8g?¸TÂNÅSâ»NnkðêÖWIÉ7;fCþ¬®¹0_Ö¡Ð@ç7ÎHÍú|·YÏÞ*kúÈ¡Ò;°.÷ÞLã/¹¥3ýæÍ°·)S+SczÑ4&mÔy¿ÔBÓº3Ö¢y[FÓaßQO1îª?>jl5ÎÃ\¥U¢¹ÁK5·#3¹^7±÷±3©ÍúÒé>FJìUMçæ©'ÍÑd\¤wn|Ì;·÷%eu¼b<ÒI>ÊÑú|¥é·6·W@ÑN.QüI¬ÂeîÍa©ìkâpûÂD+¤MÓñg3NÓÿÓtãàõñÓîlµ|~±:¶{¾=W(-Ùá2jÖÌúj·GÄNGñFVP¸+Ú$÷dOµ)TOñ'uвúSaʵjø
2021-08-14 20:05:19	cyphertite	ö¹J®¯õÌoÑ4W]¶¿#P35nÃãÁcé=SãR}C4RNwÌLi[»1ÃçqèWîåÆûíGÍZ§%;ûÄåÕÔ6#475@Òh£àëImv3±Â«3,éÕEÞmëuÚôKø¶ÉØHØÒ7<%r×^NnÅÅî%+Áª·I£ìç»-ZúAIqküe-¶ãîMsrÂ\½CnËÈÚáöËÍUI¹clÌÎÐìgM¸n¦vÆ£Íöõ4E2ì/Ø/·nÊþYx»ðßåÊYqÓpÎ5,EÞÀ5?/ÿ»i+¯¯>:¸¦Jø~-_Ôð>Ü÷~v´®ì¦¬ÊËúÕßÈZ}fVÒ³i-"ð¡T¹
2021-08-14 20:05:42	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+o alad] por ChanServ
2021-08-14 20:05:49	◣	alad ha expulsado cyphertite (Kindergarten is elsewhere!)
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2021-08-14 20:08:13	HEX0	!xkcd password
2021-08-14 20:08:15	phrik	HEX0: Password Strength - xkcd <https://xkcd.com/936/>
2021-08-14 20:08:40	susi	cynicalcats: done.
2021-08-14 20:08:47	mpan	I think the original talk was abuot memorizing a PGP key.
2021-08-14 20:08:48	susi	memorized it
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2021-08-14 20:09:57	mpan	… which I personally find pointless, but this is an #archlinux-offtopic talk to be hones.
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2021-08-14 20:10:59	foxdie	Photographic memory?
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2021-08-14 20:13:19	cyphertite	HEX0:  thanks for the link to one of the first of xkcd's many classics I recall ;p 
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2021-08-14 20:14:28	susi	mpan: when I asked about practicality of 'setuid/setgid and -x', you could have told me about the benefits of g+s-x combined with ACLs instead of trashing my stupidity for 30 mins for askng such a question
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2021-08-14 20:14:58	susi	good to know, because I was almost sure Arch Wiki implied there are valid use scenarios
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2021-08-14 20:19:27	mpan	susi: what?
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2021-08-14 20:33:54	icar	Hey, is it a usual reading that powertop reports my wifi interface to draw 2.15W? It's next to the display backlight... It seems pretty high 
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2021-08-14 20:37:35	susi	my battery repots a discharge rate of 3.1 W (combined)
2021-08-14 20:38:01	susi	can't see yet stats for network interface, since powertop hasn't run long enough
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2021-08-14 20:38:53	susi	< 3W now discharge rate
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2021-08-14 20:41:12	icar	Mine is at 4.88W combined. Highest is the NIC at 2.38W and the second is the display backlight at 1.68W. The third is way below at 421mW
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2021-08-14 20:41:53	icar	That's why I was asking about it. It seems too high.
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2021-08-14 21:23:03	bionade24	Hi, is there a tool to standalone tool to merge directories?
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2021-08-14 21:24:00	icar	buhman: then the power drops to 0W, as expected.
2021-08-14 21:24:14	buhman	this is wifi right?
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2021-08-14 21:25:31	icar	yes
2021-08-14 21:25:55	Hello71	icar: powertop per-component estimates are useless
2021-08-14 21:26:26	Hello71	measure total system consumption, then turn off the device in question, then check total usage again
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2021-08-14 21:26:40	Hello71	subtract numbers to find actual usage (usually it will be totally different from powertop guess)
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2021-08-14 21:27:15	Hello71	also note that wifi does in fact use huge battery power while uploading
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2021-08-14 21:28:19	buhman	icar: 2-4W is normal for 5GHz wifi
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2021-08-14 21:30:04	icar	damn, that's like a lot for a small low power laptop
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2021-08-14 21:30:15	icar	Half my battery is used on that
2021-08-14 21:30:38	buhman	well, you also don't need to transmit 100% of the time
2021-08-14 21:31:11	Hello71	check which programs are transmitting all the time and uninstall them
2021-08-14 21:31:35	icar	I have protonmail bridge running on the background, might be that
2021-08-14 21:31:45	buhman	lol protonmail
2021-08-14 21:32:40	buhman	what's the point, if you need to host your own email services anyway, except with shitty proprietary crap?
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2021-08-14 21:32:51	icar	huh?
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2021-08-14 21:33:30	icar	I'm not here for poor judgement. Thanks for the technical replies, there were very informative
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2021-08-14 21:41:00	ℹ 	Buggy2k es conocido ahora como bug2000
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2021-08-14 21:45:27	foxdie	Hi there. I am new to Arch Linux coming from a Debian background. Systemd is not strange to me but Debian has reserved some systemd functionality. Here I find myself surronded by it. Today I activated systemd-homed and I wanted to ask your opinion on it. Is this system worthwhile using? 
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2021-08-14 21:46:07	mion	depends on use case/requirements
2021-08-14 21:46:22	foxdie	I mean for a Laptop single user. Not for a Multi human user environment
2021-08-14 21:47:14	mion	personally I wouldn't bother with it for that
2021-08-14 21:47:24	foxdie	Is it usefull to have the Home areas for system/application users?
2021-08-14 21:47:36	foxdie	No. Right?
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2021-08-14 21:47:57	mion	I would rather simply do an old school fde setup if this is a laptop that is being used in public, or just plain if not
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2021-08-14 21:48:31	bug2000	Are there other options than FDE?!
2021-08-14 21:48:38	foxdie	Thanks!
2021-08-14 21:48:50	NetSysFire	use whatever works for you best
2021-08-14 21:48:53	bug2000	luks/dm-crypt was always the way to go.
2021-08-14 21:49:01	NetSysFire	if you like homed and want to try it out, you can do so in a vm
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2021-08-14 21:49:12	NetSysFire	same goes for anything else :p
2021-08-14 21:49:18	buhman	systemd-linuxd
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2021-08-14 21:50:55	NetSysFire	imo most systemd things are simple and still quite versatile, of course they dont work for everyone since i dont use resolved for example but they are still worth a try
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2021-08-14 21:51:15	foxdie	I have been using mountd and timers with borgbackup/cephfs mounts for prodution it is very usefull and simple to use.
2021-08-14 21:51:54	foxdie	So YeahI quite agree with your statement.
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2021-08-14 21:53:14	NetSysFire	i like that the systemd stuff is integrated well with its unit files, so you can expect a (kinda) hardened yet working default state
2021-08-14 21:53:25	bionade24	foxdie: Sd-homed only makes sense for you if you care about your LUKS key not beying in RAM while you Laptop is in suspend to RAM, otherwise I don't see any reason to use this.
2021-08-14 21:53:50	NetSysFire	i think this is a quite exotic threatmodel anyways
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2021-08-14 21:54:35	mion	its more aimed at corporate billion user setups
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2021-08-14 21:58:00	NetSysFire	corporated
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2021-08-14 21:59:46	foxdie	bionade24: Could you explain that? 
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2021-08-14 22:31:50	lord4163	I've set up a VM using virt-manager, I can connect to the internet from the guest machine, but can't reach the guest machine from the host. Any suggestions?
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2021-08-14 22:33:02	NetSysFire	whats your network setup like? and any errors you get while connecting?
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2021-08-14 22:34:26	lord4163	NetSysFire: The adapter settings say: Network source: usermode networking, Device model: virtio
2021-08-14 22:34:40	mion	lord4163: that is normal if you use usermode networking 
2021-08-14 22:34:56	mion	you can explicit forward ports if you need them
2021-08-14 22:35:28	lord4163	mion: how? :)
2021-08-14 22:35:37	mion	otherwise set up a bridge (don't have to be slaved to your physical interface if you just want local access)
2021-08-14 22:36:35	lord4163	mion: I've tried changing to bridge, but it gave me an error
2021-08-14 22:37:01	mion	hostfwd
2021-08-14 22:37:06	lord4163	internal error: No <source> 'bridge' attribute specified with <interface type='bridge'/>
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2021-08-14 22:38:12	mion	lord4163: you can to tell it which bridge to use
2021-08-14 22:38:33	mion	aka you have to create one on the host first
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2021-08-14 22:41:07	lord4163	mion: Ok, it doesn't give an error, but it jumped back to usermode networking after applying.
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2021-08-14 22:44:25	lord4163	mion: Now I just removed the interface and added a new one, bridge mode, and specified br0 which is the bridge I created using the ip link command, failed to communicate with bridge helper, endpoint not connected
2021-08-14 22:44:53	lord4163	that's the error I get now when I try to start the VM
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2021-08-15 10:47:39	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1266 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1265 normals)
2021-08-15 02:36:26	Tiktalik	why am i missing pacman in the chroot
2021-08-15 02:39:07	MacGyver	Because you forgot to bootstrap.
2021-08-15 02:40:05	Tiktalik	i *did* bootstrap
2021-08-15 02:40:19	Tiktalik	maybe i missed a package
2021-08-15 02:40:29	Tiktalik	can i salvage this or do i have to start over
2021-08-15 02:40:58	mpan	Tiktalik: pacman is required by base, so you couldn’t miss it if you followed the guide. Is it literally missing or is it not working?
2021-08-15 02:42:07	Tiktalik	ah, figured out how to exit
2021-08-15 02:42:13	predicament	lol
2021-08-15 02:42:31	Tiktalik	OH
2021-08-15 02:42:32	Tiktalik	I FIGURED IT OUT
2021-08-15 02:42:40	Tiktalik	i mistyped one of the packages and the whole thing failed because of it
2021-08-15 02:42:40	predicament	why wouldnt ext4 be good on an SSD man?
2021-08-15 02:42:44	predicament	lol
2021-08-15 02:42:54	Tiktalik	also i dunno! i just want to make sure i don't accidentally go and brick a shiny new ssd
2021-08-15 02:43:01	predicament	.. its a file syste,m
2021-08-15 02:43:05	Tiktalik	i've literally only used spinning rust
2021-08-15 02:43:12	predicament	its not gonna hurt anything
2021-08-15 02:43:13	mpan	predicament: one might not be sure if it doesn’t for example put unneccessary load on it. It does not, but such a concern is not uneasonable.
2021-08-15 02:43:24	predicament	yeah it's understandable but
2021-08-15 02:43:27	Tiktalik	anyway thanks 
2021-08-15 02:43:28	predicament	i guess i'm just saying
2021-08-15 02:43:50	predicament	but yeah ext4 is a phenomenal file system
2021-08-15 02:43:53	predicament	so, go with god
2021-08-15 02:43:56	predicament	heh
2021-08-15 02:44:23	mpan	For example having a journalising file system on a MicroSD card would not be the best idea. They die even from plain, sequential writes with FAT.
2021-08-15 02:51:48	Tiktalik	erm
2021-08-15 02:52:24	Tiktalik	all the text seems to have taken a vacation one space to the left
2021-08-15 02:54:21	Tiktalik	monitor issue
2021-08-15 03:16:31	coldenbrewed	Namarrgon, thrice, Hello71, mullagain, So I have finally figured out why my macs won't recognize the USB
2021-08-15 03:16:51	coldenbrewed	It is cuz I am running the installation on a micro SD
2021-08-15 03:17:20	coldenbrewed	even though things like grub is installed correctly, for reason macs just don't take micro sd nicelt
2021-08-15 03:17:51	coldenbrewed	using it through an adapter, still didn't work, once I transferred the partition of the live image iso to an actual usb it wored
2021-08-15 03:18:02	coldenbrewed	but on a micro SD it just plain refuses
2021-08-15 03:36:29	mullagain	I hear all this great stuff about vivaldi, brave, librewolf... idk. They all seam much slower than vanilla firefox.
2021-08-15 03:49:25	PatMeow	may i ask for general networking questions here? iptables and nat related.
2021-08-15 03:52:04	mullagain	I probably can't answer but shoot
2021-08-15 03:55:47	mullagain	probably should use nftables at this point though
2021-08-15 03:56:06	ectospasm	I use the abstraction firewalld, MUCH easier than setting up iptables.
2021-08-15 03:57:40	mullagain	yeah, iptables is a bit nasty, but thats one of the main advantages to moving to nftables
2021-08-15 03:59:38	b-rex	ipfwadm ftw
2021-08-15 04:00:22	ectospasm	We use firewalld at work, so that's why I learned it.
2021-08-15 04:02:39	ectospasm	If fwknop used firewalld properly, I'd be very happy.
2021-08-15 04:03:03	ectospasm	But it's firewalld integration is rather primitive, it uses direct rules for *everything*
2021-08-15 04:06:12	PatMeow	I just brought up a VM using KVM and bridged to br1, after the VM is up, it added another if named tap102i0
2021-08-15 04:06:51	PatMeow	tap102i0 doesn't have any address on the host, and br1 has an ip address manually assigned by myself, which is 10.11.115.1/24
2021-08-15 04:07:44	PatMeow	my host has an iface named eth0, eth0 is the internet iface, ip is 192.168.200.100, you can think it just as a normal PC
2021-08-15 04:08:09	PatMeow	there's another laptop in my physical lan, ip is 192.168.200.200
2021-08-15 04:09:06	PatMeow	I enabled ip_forward on VM host and added a route on laptop manually which is: 10.11.115.0/24 via 192.168.200.100
2021-08-15 04:10:13	PatMeow	since I use masquerade target (-A POSTROUTING -s 10.11.115.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE), the VM bonded to vmbr1 can access the internet
2021-08-15 04:10:45	PatMeow	however, the laptop 192.168.200.200 can never ping VM which ip address is 10.11.115.100
2021-08-15 04:10:54	PatMeow	what should i do to make it ping works?
2021-08-15 04:36:39	another|	you can't traverse a NAT from outside. at least not trivially
2021-08-15 04:55:54	comrumino	The people that made archinstall are saints
2021-08-15 05:21:35	Hello71	you misspelled heathens
2021-08-15 05:26:47	marc2377	Can anyone help me? I'm trying to set permission 644 to all files under /etc with permission 777. 
2021-08-15 05:27:07	marc2377	I tried: 'sudo find /etc -perm 777 -type f -print0 | sudo xargs -0 chmod 644' and 'sudo find /etc -type f -perm 777 -exec sudo chmod 644 {} \;'
2021-08-15 05:27:23	marc2377	neither worked
2021-08-15 05:27:59	AndrewYu	marc2377: Try putting the -exec sudo chmod stuff into -exec 'sudo chmod 644 {} \;'
2021-08-15 05:28:06	AndrewYu	In quotes, might help since it'd be one argument
2021-08-15 05:29:05	marc2377	Returns: find: missing argument to `-exec'
2021-08-15 05:34:26	aaro	marc2377: you don't need sudo after exec
2021-08-15 05:35:16	marc2377	Thanks
2021-08-15 05:35:52	marc2377	For some reason, `sudo find /etc -type f -perm 777 -exec chmod 644 {} \;` does not return an error but if I do `sudo find /etc -perm 777` I can see no permissions were changed at all
2021-08-15 05:41:30	WhiteNoise	hello guys :D
2021-08-15 05:47:54	WhiteNoise	i have an issue with dirb installation from aur :D
2021-08-15 05:49:13	marc2377	I'm clueless... My Mixxx interface looks like this: https://imgur.com/a/Y9M7yua
2021-08-15 05:49:14	phrik	Title: mixxx linux font issue - Album on Imgur (at imgur.com)
2021-08-15 05:49:29	marc2377	Any idea what may be causing that?
2021-08-15 05:51:26	dieggsy	marc2377: what exactly is wrong
2021-08-15 05:51:53	marc2377	The font is weird in the menus, and a lot of text is missing in the interface
2021-08-15 05:52:21	flyingpig	WhiteNoise: Is it related to <https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/dirb/#comment-789815>?
2021-08-15 05:52:22	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - dirb (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-08-15 05:53:31	marc2377	Here's what it should look like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFZWU86DhFI
2021-08-15 05:54:19	marc2377	and here's what it's looking like: https://imgur.com/a/EikmIHq
2021-08-15 05:54:20	phrik	Title: mixxx linux font issue 2 - Album on Imgur (at imgur.com)
2021-08-15 06:01:28	WhiteNoise	phrik: yes exacly :) i add cflags but the build no work anyway :D
2021-08-15 06:01:28	phrik	WhiteNoise: Is that… Is that really a word?
2021-08-15 06:02:04	WhiteNoise	omg
2021-08-15 06:02:04	WhiteNoise	lol
2021-08-15 06:02:11	AndrewYu	WhiteNoise: phrik is a bot...
2021-08-15 06:02:44	WhiteNoise	yeah whatever 
2021-08-15 06:14:28	AndrewYu	5.10-lts has a rtl8821ce-compatible driver now? It seems that I don't need rtl8821ce-dkms-git now to have my wifi working
2021-08-15 06:14:48	AndrewYu	Before, I had to blacklist rtw88 in order to get rtl8821ce working. Now it seems that I don't have to do anything to get it working
2021-08-15 07:08:22	WhiteNoise	this is my PKGBUILD >> https://pastebin.com/pXMeifW2, and here the error output >> https://pastebin.com/0K4T7CxN
2021-08-15 07:08:23	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-yrA.txt
2021-08-15 07:08:28	phrik	Title: makepkg==> Making package: dirb 2.22-1 (Sun 15 Aug 2021 06:56:31 AM CEST)==> C - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-15 07:09:20	WhiteNoise	i follow like fix suggest adding cflag -fcommon issue persist
2021-08-15 07:09:45	WhiteNoise	i don't have idea what's is goin on :/
2021-08-15 08:03:21	WhiteNoise	i go afk write if u have news about my problema thanks :D
2021-08-15 09:13:23	Tiktalik	so
2021-08-15 09:13:33	Tiktalik	kde plasma likes to get a little sluggish if you leave it on without restarting it for multiple days
2021-08-15 09:14:06	grawlinson	haven't noticed that, my laptops highest uptime is like ~50d
2021-08-15 09:14:17	Tiktalik	hm. well it was on manjaro that I was having the problem
2021-08-15 09:14:42	Tiktalik	after using manjaro for a while, I feel highly qualified to say it's bad, which is why I'm using arch now
2021-08-15 09:18:17	Tiktalik	i miss antergos
2021-08-15 09:18:28	Tiktalik	that was a good arch-based for lazy people
2021-08-15 09:39:45	Mysterytrain	whered it go. die on the vine?
2021-08-15 09:54:37	wildbill	I'm trying to compile zathura mupdf plugin, it compiles successfully but when I launch zathura it says the plugin SO has an undefined symbol, I think I've found the SO it wants to link to under /usr/lib, I verified the symbol exists with nm -D, I'm unsure at this point if it's a linker problem or a problem with the version of the lib I have installed. I'm unsure how to troubleshoot further. Can
2021-08-15 09:54:39	wildbill	anyone point me in the right direction?
2021-08-15 09:55:29	lambda	without further information, it sounds like it could be a version problem
2021-08-15 09:55:43	lambda	does lddtree on the plugin .so resolve all libraries?
2021-08-15 10:09:03	ishitatsuyuki	I still don't understand what can LVM additionally provide for a single disk system. How is a LVM resize operation different from resizing in partition table?
2021-08-15 10:09:05	wildbill	it looks like it to me, they all show a path, I didn't see the SO I was expecting though, it shows that it links to libjpeg.so, but the one I found the symbol in was libopenjp2.so. The package I have installed actually provides both
2021-08-15 10:13:31	wildbill	So likely a version problem? If it's looking in the wrong SO
2021-08-15 10:14:15	pystardust	hello
2021-08-15 10:47:39	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-15 11:29:03	brettwatson	Hello
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2021-08-15 11:29:23	teraflops	hola
2021-08-15 11:29:44	brettwatson	Finally my first IRC message and response thanks teraflops
2021-08-15 11:29:51	teraflops	;)
2021-08-15 11:29:57	brettwatson	it's taken me ages to get on here :)
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2021-08-15 11:30:28	brettwatson	Is there a good channel for new arch linux users to get help from people?
2021-08-15 11:30:38	alad	#archlinux-newbie perhaps
2021-08-15 11:30:45	brettwatson	thanks alad
2021-08-15 11:30:45	sheep	there is this channel and there is the channel alad said
2021-08-15 11:31:18	brettwatson	i dont want to be asking questions where not appropriate so I could try the newbie one since im only 24 hours into arch linux
2021-08-15 11:33:30	brettwatson	I think i've managed to set up my distro well so far i've installed multiple software however I am having trouble with one particular AUR program (it's called hotspotshield it's a command line VPN) and I can install it and log into my account but I can't get it to connect.. anyone here who may be able to help?
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2021-08-15 11:34:10	⚡ 	teraflops remembers with nostalgia his first irc response, it was a beautiful KLINE from a bot
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2021-08-15 11:34:34	brettwatson	well teraflops i got you, and i'm so pleased :)
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2021-08-15 11:38:35	teraflops	brettwatson: hmm it grabs the apt binary package so idk what it realy does or in which vpn spftware is this vpn based
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2021-08-15 11:39:52	brettwatson	Hi teraflops, i got the software to install properly and i can even sign in to my account, I just cant get it to connect
2021-08-15 11:40:26	brettwatson	it just says "Can't establish VPN connection. Please check your system journals" when i try to connect it
2021-08-15 11:40:41	teraflops	yeah read the logs
2021-08-15 11:40:56	brettwatson	its my first day using linux so im not sure where to find the logs
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2021-08-15 11:41:36	teraflops	journalctl -f in one terminal and then try to connect ina nother terminal or the GUI if this software ships one
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2021-08-15 11:42:16	brettwatson	tera thats great i will try that now
2021-08-15 11:42:42	teraflops	brettwatson: also https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd/Journal
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2021-08-15 11:42:49	phrik	Title: systemd/Journal - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-15 11:43:46	brettwatson	thanks gang
2021-08-15 11:43:54	brettwatson	this is what it said
2021-08-15 11:43:57	brettwatson	Aug 15 19:43:02 Beomgyu hotspotshield[2706]: system_property_set: : fopen(/proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/rp_filter)
2021-08-15 11:43:57	brettwatson	Aug 15 19:43:02 Beomgyu hotspotshield[2706]: linux_cm_new: system_properties_config(all)
2021-08-15 11:44:01	brettwatson	Aug 15 19:43:02 Beomgyu hotspotshield[2706]: CM: failed to start connectivity module
2021-08-15 11:44:22	Namarrgon	uname -r && pacman -Q linux
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2021-08-15 11:44:38	brettwatson	Namarrgon was that for me?
2021-08-15 11:44:45	teraflops	yep
2021-08-15 11:44:49	Namarrgon	yes. what's the output?
2021-08-15 11:45:09	Namarrgon	if the versions don't match then you forgot to reboot after the last kernel update
2021-08-15 11:45:12	brettwatson	5.13.10-zen1-1-zen
2021-08-15 11:45:13	brettwatson	error: package 'linux' was not found
2021-08-15 11:45:19	Namarrgon	pacman -Q linux-zen
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2021-08-15 11:45:59	brettwatson	linux-zen 5.13.10.zen1-1
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2021-08-15 11:46:22	brettwatson	does that mean they match?
2021-08-15 11:46:35	Namarrgon	yes, they match
2021-08-15 11:46:46	brettwatson	thank you for your help this is great
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2021-08-15 11:47:28	brettwatson	any other clues in those journal entries
2021-08-15 11:47:58	Namarrgon	are you tied to their proprietary client?
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2021-08-15 11:48:25	brettwatson	well yeah id like to try and get it to work, if not obviously I can look for something esle. It's a service I pay for
2021-08-15 11:48:34	Namarrgon	https://support.hotspotshield.com/hc/en-us/articles/360039135232-Why-can-t-I-connect-on-my-Linux-machine-
2021-08-15 11:48:40	phrik	Title: Why can't I connect on my Linux machine? – Hotspot Shield Support Center (at support.hotspotshield.com)
2021-08-15 11:48:44	Namarrgon	their documentation is useles
2021-08-15 11:48:58	brettwatson	I was able to get it working on a non arch version of linux quite easily, and the installation went so well on this arch system and i was able to log into my account
2021-08-15 11:49:02	brettwatson	so i thought i was on track
2021-08-15 11:49:08	brettwatson	but then it fails to connect
2021-08-15 11:49:37	brettwatson	this is the key to my whole point of trying out linux so id like to win the battle lol... bu evn with this hiccup im loving the adventure so far
2021-08-15 11:50:41	brettwatson	thanks namarrgon and phrick i read that page many times today but it basiacllu just says how to update the app for .deb and .rpm packages
2021-08-15 11:50:58	brettwatson	this is an AUR package for arch so that website page didnt help me
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2021-08-15 11:52:11	Namarrgon	which tool do you use to configure your network connections?
2021-08-15 11:52:33	Namarrgon	maybe the client requires NM
2021-08-15 11:52:46	teraflops	or requires a bridge or whatever
2021-08-15 11:52:50	brettwatson	I don't use any tool.. I should point out that i'm running in a virtualbox but this did not pose any problems for the ubuntu based version
2021-08-15 11:53:06	Namarrgon	yes but you still need to configure the interface somehow
2021-08-15 11:53:20	Namarrgon	how does the interface obtain an ip?
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2021-08-15 11:53:39	brettwatson	are you asking how i configure hotspotshields connection or the actualy network interface of the virtual machine settings
2021-08-15 11:53:45	Namarrgon	the latter
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2021-08-15 11:54:35	brettwatson	oh im not sure, virtualbox is set to NAT and when i log into the virtual machine i am online, thats all i know so far
2021-08-15 11:54:43	brettwatson	let me see if i can find the network settings of this machine
2021-08-15 11:54:50	Namarrgon	how did you install arch?
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2021-08-15 11:55:31	brettwatson	i created a new virtual machine in virtual box i loaded the iso and then installed it
2021-08-15 11:55:38	Namarrgon	which iso?
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2021-08-15 11:55:58	brettwatson	garuda KDE dr460nized
2021-08-15 11:56:09	Namarrgon	that's not arch, that's garuda
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2021-08-15 11:56:47	brettwatson	ok so i may have been missinformed so sorry
2021-08-15 11:57:05	Namarrgon	np but we don't support any of the spins/forks, try their support channels
2021-08-15 11:57:19	Namarrgon	or you can get the arch iso from archlinux.org/download
2021-08-15 11:57:24	brettwatson	really sorry about that!
2021-08-15 11:57:32	Namarrgon	not that it will matter much with this vpn thingy
2021-08-15 11:57:36	brettwatson	im right in that its arch based i beleived but not arch itself
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2021-08-15 12:03:20	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1270 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1269 normals)
2021-08-15 12:03:22	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-15 12:03:48	brettwatson	fedora any good?
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2021-08-15 12:04:30	Namarrgon	yeah
2021-08-15 12:04:39	Namarrgon	you'll be fine with most of the large distros
2021-08-15 12:05:10	brettwatson	is that like the ubuntu based ones that use apt
2021-08-15 12:05:25	teraflops	nope
2021-08-15 12:05:55	Namarrgon	don't worry about the package management, pick something with a large community
2021-08-15 12:05:57	brettwatson	is that .deb or .rpm or something else entirely
2021-08-15 12:06:03	Donatzsky	brettwatson: .rpm
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2021-08-15 12:06:32	brettwatson	thanks Donatzsky teraflops and namarrgon
2021-08-15 12:06:42	mongy	not even trying arch?  
2021-08-15 12:06:47	brettwatson	probably not good questions to ask here since i assume you all like arch the best
2021-08-15 12:06:48	⚡ 	mongy weeps for archlinux.org
2021-08-15 12:06:55	Namarrgon	!as
2021-08-15 12:06:55	phrik	Arch Sucks™
2021-08-15 12:06:59	teraflops	brettwatson: nah :P
2021-08-15 12:07:01	sheep	!ass
2021-08-15 12:07:02	phrik	Arch *Strategically* Sucks™
2021-08-15 12:07:46	brettwatson	i've enjoyed this arch based distro that ive been setting up and talking to you now on.. but i must say my ubuntu based one did work just that little bit easier, but it was ugly as hell
2021-08-15 12:08:28	teraflops	ubuntu debian opensuse fedora are ok I guess as you get a large community to ask for support
2021-08-15 12:10:32	brettwatson	i think i found the installers on this arch based one better though, i got the hang of just installing packages by name and the AUR ones were easy to download and compile (not sure if tahts the right work) assemble makepackage etc
2021-08-15 12:11:04	Namarrgon	it's easy until it stops working, then you're on your own
2021-08-15 12:11:22	brettwatson	ill keep working on this hotspotshield thing.. if i can get it to connect ill keep this one its by far the ebst looking one ive tried so far and everything worked amazingly well except this one peice of software
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2021-08-15 12:13:27	teraflops	my vpn is wireguard on a fanless SBC tied to my plastic router ;)
2021-08-15 12:13:49	brettwatson	haha that sounds about right :)
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2021-08-15 12:14:18	teraflops	yeah I guess so, at least for my use case
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2021-08-15 12:23:10	brettwatson	im gonna give fedora a go while i keep trying to solve the hotspotshield thing on m,y archbased system
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2021-08-15 12:23:18	brettwatson	cause this is by fat the most sexy
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2021-08-15 12:27:12	brettwatson	hotspotshield connect
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2021-08-15 12:27:16	brettwatson	oops
2021-08-15 12:27:37	ishitatsuyuki	switch to mullvad, thank me later ;)
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2021-08-15 12:28:47	ishitatsuyuki	it's also based on WireGuard with a neat client and good performance
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2021-08-15 13:14:25	Ingar	I'm looking for software to draw building plans (for home improvement and the like), looked at freecad but that doesn't seem to be what I'm looking for. Any suggestions?
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2021-08-15 13:20:49	teraflops	it's just insane the littele time that a wireguard client spends to connect to the vpn, still amazes me compared to e.g openvpn
2021-08-15 13:21:02	teraflops	little^
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2021-08-15 13:50:06	GuiToris	hello, does anyone know how I can specify the audio source in mpv?
2021-08-15 13:51:24	pinpox	How can I tell chromium that I prefer dark mode, when using a window manager? I can't find that setting anywhere
2021-08-15 13:52:02	ishitatsuyuki	pinpox: most application follows gtk-application-prefer-dark-theme I think (try `gtk-query-settings gtk-application-prefer-dark-theme`)
2021-08-15 13:52:06	pinpox	What value does CSS check for things like "@media (prefers-color-scheme: dark) { ...} "?
2021-08-15 13:52:16	pinpox	ishitatsuyuki: ok, let me try that..
2021-08-15 13:52:21	sheep	the browser itself implements that
2021-08-15 13:52:36	ishitatsuyuki	and both Firefox and Chromium follow GTK conventions
2021-08-15 13:52:44	pinpox	ishitatsuyuki: I don't seem to have that command
2021-08-15 13:52:48	ishitatsuyuki	lol
2021-08-15 13:53:03	ishitatsuyuki	wait you don't have gtk3???
2021-08-15 13:53:08	Mysterytrain	GuiToris: with --audio-device=something
2021-08-15 13:53:22	sheep	chrome has #enable-force-dark in chrome://flags
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2021-08-15 13:53:49	MacGyver	GuiToris: Audio *source*? As in, a file contains multiple audio streams and you need to pre-select one?
2021-08-15 13:54:03	ishitatsuyuki	pinpox: you must have mistyped since that command comes with gtk3 which comes with chromium...
2021-08-15 13:54:21	pinpox	sheep: yes, but that has a different effect, it renders with dark colors of it's own
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2021-08-15 13:54:50	MacGyver	GuiToris: --aid and --alang may be what you're looking for.
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2021-08-15 13:55:00	Mysterytrain	oh source. not output
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2021-08-15 13:55:25	Mysterytrain	yep
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2021-08-15 13:59:32	pinpox	ishitatsuyuki: I guess it just writes this line, right? https://github.com/ehazlett/.dotfiles/blob/master/linux/gtk-3.0-settings.ini#L6
2021-08-15 13:59:36	pinpox	I'll just add it and try
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2021-08-15 14:00:16	ishitatsuyuki	I have no idea how GTK settings work since I rely on my DE for configuration, but looks like that should work
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2021-08-15 14:33:45	ℹ 	kill es conocido ahora como php
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2021-08-15 14:44:49	dostoyevsky2	I want to change the code of ffmpeg a bit... can I somehow use archlinux's build files to build ffmpeg from source?
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2021-08-15 14:45:58	NetSysFire	yes
2021-08-15 14:46:02	NetSysFire	!give dostoyevsky2 aw abs
2021-08-15 14:46:08	phrik	dostoyevsky2: Abs - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Abs
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2021-08-15 15:29:42	cyphertite	NerdWannaBe:  read:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Solid_state_drive#TRIM
2021-08-15 15:29:43	phrik	Title: Solid state drive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-15 15:49:32	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-15 16:13:07	Namarrgon	ignapk: it's a meson bug
2021-08-15 16:13:21	ignapk	thanks for reply
2021-08-15 16:13:42	Namarrgon	a fix was merged but i guess it didn't make it into a release yet
2021-08-15 16:14:09	ignapk	ok so I need meson-git from aur then maybe
2021-08-15 16:14:56	Namarrgon	https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/pull/9010
2021-08-15 16:16:44	johndvd	where can I find all suitable mount-options for f2fs
2021-08-15 16:19:51	Namarrgon	https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/f2fs.txt
2021-08-15 16:20:06	Namarrgon	it's probably not fully up-to-date
2021-08-15 16:20:39	johndvd	thx
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2021-08-15 16:49:39	sensille	anyone using hydrogen? i can't get audio to work, i want to use pulseaudio as driver
2021-08-15 16:50:32	NetSysFire	!give sensille gts
2021-08-15 16:50:32	phrik	sensille: (1) Please run this application in a terminal, inspect and maybe !paste the output (if possible). (2) Check and optionally !paste your journal. (3) Did you check the bugtracker (see !bugs)? If this program has a forum/issue tracker, did you check that, too?
2021-08-15 17:01:14	low-key	following the wiki on identifying keycodes and i get the same output irrespective of whether i use showkey or showkey --keycodes
2021-08-15 17:03:43	sensille	it doesn't look like it even tries pulseaudio. I'll try the forum
2021-08-15 17:09:32	nova	firefox. right click. save image as. not downloading. I just installed arch again after experimenting with nixos and gentoo. never seen this problem. is it a bug?
2021-08-15 17:10:30	nova	I have to copy url and wget it. super annoying though
2021-08-15 17:12:01	ishitatsuyuki	what does "not downloading" mean?
2021-08-15 17:12:12	ishitatsuyuki	try looking at browser console, press Ctrl+Shift+J
2021-08-15 17:16:34	flyingpig	low-key: --keycodes is the implied default according to showkey(1)
2021-08-15 17:22:15	soomsoom	@s
2021-08-15 17:22:27	thrice	@t
2021-08-15 17:32:38	vd	Can you cast a tab or whatever to a chromecast from arch?
2021-08-15 17:39:56	dmc	I believe so
2021-08-15 17:40:03	dmc	with Google Chrome
2021-08-15 17:43:40	mion	with most browsers except firefox (technically possible with firefox but good luck)
2021-08-15 17:44:50	DigitalKiwi	ugh having problems with pacman-key ;( haven't updated/touched some box since like 2019 ;_;
2021-08-15 17:45:16	DigitalKiwi	maybe 2018 lol
2021-08-15 17:45:22	dmc	rip
2021-08-15 17:45:25	mion	I would reinstall
2021-08-15 17:46:56	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-15 17:54:07	DigitalKiwi	reinstall? sir, i'm not a newbie
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2021-08-15 17:54:07	DigitalKiwi	i'm a very advanced time wasting problem solver!
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2021-08-15 17:54:07	NoobAlice	!grab DigitalKiwi
2021-08-15 17:54:07	phrik	NoobAlice: Tada!
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2021-08-15 17:54:22	vd	in fact vlc works fine with the chromecast
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2021-08-15 17:54:39	vd	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VLC_media_player#Chromecast_support why do you need to edit nsswitch.conf though?
2021-08-15 17:54:40	phrik	Title: VLC media player - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-15 17:54:41	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-15 17:56:26	NoobAlice	Ingar: If you're talking about interiors of rooms home improvement, maybe Sweet Home 3D?  I've never tried it, but it comes up a lot, and it's in the repos. http://www.sweethome3d.com/
2021-08-15 17:56:36	phrik	Title: Sweet Home 3D - Draw floor plans and arrange furniture freely (at www.sweethome3d.com)
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2021-08-15 17:57:49	ishitatsuyuki	DigitalKiwi: what's your error?
2021-08-15 17:57:58	ishitatsuyuki	you might want to go through the news entires on archlinux.org
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2021-08-15 17:59:05	thrice	"I'm not a newbie"  "I haven't updated since 2018"  <-- literal newbie
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2021-08-15 18:00:50	ishitatsuyuki	thrice: what
2021-08-15 18:01:08	thrice	to DigitalKiwi above :>
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2021-08-15 18:01:59	ishitatsuyuki	I don't see how not updating makes you a newbie
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2021-08-15 18:02:26	thrice	that's like arch step 1
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2021-08-15 18:03:35	vd	I personally only update when I'm in a rush to finish a very important job
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2021-08-15 18:04:04	ishitatsuyuki	I mean they might just have took out a computer that you didn't use for an extended period for whatever reasons
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2021-08-15 18:05:24	thrice	yes, it was just a joke.  DigitalKiwi is a regular here
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2021-08-15 18:05:36	ℹ 	PocketKiller es conocido ahora como PocketKil
2021-08-15 18:05:42	teraflops	so read the news for any manual intervention required I guess
2021-08-15 18:05:48	ℹ 	PocketKil es conocido ahora como PocketKiller
2021-08-15 18:06:10	teraflops	maybe using ARM to make jumps in time is faster
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2021-08-15 18:06:25	ishitatsuyuki	thrice: I see. didn't know they were a regular
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2021-08-15 18:07:45	DigitalKiwi	thrice: lol i have a laptop in my closet with arch i686 lol
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2021-08-15 18:08:24	DigitalKiwi	ancient thinkpad pentium II maybe
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2021-08-15 18:09:23	ishitatsuyuki	!notarch
2021-08-15 18:09:24	phrik	This channel is for Arch Linux support only. Also see https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/service-agreements/-/blob/master/code-of-conduct.md#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
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2021-08-15 18:09:58	ishitatsuyuki	Arch i686 is no longer Arch ;)
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2021-08-15 18:10:19	Mysterytrain	oof
2021-08-15 18:10:47	DigitalKiwi	no it is definitely arch
2021-08-15 18:11:03	thrice	the OG arch
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2021-08-15 18:14:03	DigitalKiwi	hmm or maybe it's the gateway that has it
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2021-08-15 18:14:13	DigitalKiwi	update: the thinkpad is not in the closet lol
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2021-08-15 18:14:22	DigitalKiwi	but it is also just beeping at me
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2021-08-15 18:15:12	Mysterytrain	it wants attention I guess
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2021-08-15 18:25:10	ℹ 	bhava1 es conocido ahora como bhava
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2021-08-15 18:27:58	DigitalKiwi	https://www.dropbox.com/s/36fw5kz12qlf9ww/img_20210815_1126518.jpg?dl=0
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2021-08-15 18:46:19	lakiluki	Hey, can anyone point me in the right direction on how could I easily share a folder between a qemu vm and the host machine? I'd like to share /usr/lib/modules, so I can access the kernel modules when passing in a custom kernel
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2021-08-15 18:49:19	chuck_	lakiluki: python -m http.server ?
2021-08-15 18:49:36	chuck_	nick NerdWannaBe
2021-08-15 18:49:45	ℹ 	chuck_ es conocido ahora como NerdWannaBe
2021-08-15 18:50:43	lakiluki	chuck_: I don't see that being really fitting -- I just need to share the files as something transparent or mountable, without any HTTP stuff really
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2021-08-15 18:52:03	NerdWannaBe	lakiluki: sorry, long time no playing arround with VMs, it was just an idea :p
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2021-08-15 18:52:26	teraflops	use nfs or smb
2021-08-15 18:53:11	lakiluki	teraflops: that also seems like somewhat overcomplicating the issue, I'd assume
2021-08-15 18:53:16	baltazar	hi! nmcli is not showing a certain network that I want to connect to
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2021-08-15 18:53:24	baltazar	what could be the reason for this
2021-08-15 18:53:29	lakiluki	i mean, I was wondering if there's anything like the Virtualbox filesystem share thing
2021-08-15 18:53:32	alschaapman	I have a quick question about a split PKGBUILD
2021-08-15 18:53:43	lakiluki	there's 9p it seems, but I guess I have to rebuild the kernel to use that?
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2021-08-15 18:54:10	baltazar	it sees other networks perfectly fine, but not the one I want to connect to
2021-08-15 18:54:13	alschaapman	My package() functions just recursively copy a bunch of stuff from $srcdir to $pkgdir (common, obviously) but the second package ends up containing everything in $pkgdir that was in the first package
2021-08-15 18:54:19	alschaapman	This is obviously not correct
2021-08-15 18:54:31	DigitalKiwi	the gateway has been logged in! last login sat apr 15 2017 lol
2021-08-15 18:54:40	alschaapman	What's the proper way to have $srcdir cleaned up from one package() function to the next?
2021-08-15 18:54:50	teraflops	iirc qemu ships smb built in so you only have to mount the folder on the guest
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2021-08-15 18:55:05	teraflops	-net user,smb=/absolute/path/to/folder I think
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2021-08-15 18:55:34	teraflops	lakiluki: simpler that that?
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2021-08-15 18:56:46	lakiluki	teraflops: huh, didn't figure it's really that easy, I though I should first set up samba on the host
2021-08-15 18:56:51	lakiluki	I'll definitely try it, thanks!
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2021-08-15 18:59:45	Nicba1010	Hi, how can I request a package to be unflagged from out-of-date?
2021-08-15 19:00:34	Namarrgon	Nicba1010: ping the maintainer but they'll notice sooner or later anyway
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2021-08-15 19:00:57	Nicba1010	Package hasn't been updated since 2015 :')
2021-08-15 19:01:09	Nicba1010	Ah says maintainer active, nvm then
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2021-08-15 19:01:22	Nicba1010	By ping you mean add comment or?
2021-08-15 19:01:41	Nicba1010	I haven't used the aur website ever except for just lookin stuff up
2021-08-15 19:02:11	Namarrgon	is it a -git package?
2021-08-15 19:02:24	Nicba1010	Nah, normal package
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2021-08-15 19:02:45	Namarrgon	leave it alone, the maintainer will unflag it if they want to or when they want to
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2021-08-15 19:02:49	Nicba1010	Anyways I left a message, thanks
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2021-08-15 19:07:48	NerdWannaBe	Yo! i found an oudated info at wiki :D
2021-08-15 19:07:54	NerdWannaBe	it says: The timer relies on the timestamp of /var/lib/systemd/timers/stamp-fstrim.timer
2021-08-15 19:08:06	NerdWannaBe	But the files is at: /usr/lib/systemd/system/fstrim.timer
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2021-08-15 19:08:22	NerdWannaBe	Here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Solid_state_drive#Periodic_TRIM
2021-08-15 19:08:23	phrik	Title: Solid state drive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-15 19:11:29	Namarrgon	NerdWannaBe: these are two different files
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2021-08-15 19:12:33	Namarrgon	the latter is the actual timer unit while the former is just an empty file, used to store a timestamp
2021-08-15 19:13:36	Namarrgon	i'm not sure why the wiki explicitly mentions this but it's not wrong
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2021-08-15 19:15:06	NerdWannaBe	Namarrgon: i just edidted and updated the path as there was no file tobe find with the prev path :p
2021-08-15 19:15:20	Namarrgon	because the timer didn't run on your system
2021-08-15 19:15:29	NerdWannaBe	Oh! :p
2021-08-15 19:15:29	Namarrgon	undo your edit
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2021-08-15 19:16:38	NerdWannaBe	Oh! but i just ran a 'trim' on my system and still the file ain't there using prev path
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2021-08-15 19:16:52	NerdWannaBe	do i undo it anyways ?
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2021-08-15 19:17:14	Namarrgon	did you enable and start the timer unit?
2021-08-15 19:17:20	Namarrgon	or how did you run "trim"?
2021-08-15 19:17:31	NerdWannaBe	i just started it
2021-08-15 19:18:01	NerdWannaBe	I: systemctl start fstrim
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2021-08-15 19:18:47	Namarrgon	there are two "fstrim" units, one is "fstrim.timer" and the other "fstrim.service"
2021-08-15 19:19:07	Namarrgon	systemctl always defaults to ".service" units if you don't tell it which you mean exactly
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2021-08-15 19:19:20	Namarrgon	so you didn't run the timer at all yet
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2021-08-15 19:20:00	NerdWannaBe	Namarrgon: https://i.ibb.co/Gp0C9rV/trim-001.png
2021-08-15 19:21:03	NerdWannaBe	I guess i just ran the .service
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2021-08-15 19:21:42	NerdWannaBe	I also wanna set like a cronjob to run it once a week, should i ran the timer ?
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2021-08-15 19:21:56	Namarrgon	either you use the timer or a cronjob, not both
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2021-08-15 19:22:18	NerdWannaBe	Ok!, imma user the timer, do i just systemctl it ?
2021-08-15 19:22:30	Namarrgon	you enable the timer unit, yes
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2021-08-15 19:23:12	NerdWannaBe	thanks
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2021-08-15 19:24:07	Namarrgon	np, don't forget to undo your edit
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2021-08-15 19:25:18	NerdWannaBe	Oh! now this path /var/lib/systemd/timers/stamp-fstrim.timer works
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2021-08-15 19:25:31	NerdWannaBe	then i gotta undo my change at wiki :p
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2021-08-15 19:27:14	NerdWannaBe	I just undoit my change :D
2021-08-15 19:27:25	NerdWannaBe	I luve democracy :D
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2021-08-15 19:28:41	teraflops	you are a responsible citizen ;)
2021-08-15 19:28:52	NerdWannaBe	I know i am, thanks tho :D
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2021-08-15 19:30:17	NetSysFire	aw that would have been a free undo for me
2021-08-15 19:31:59	NerdWannaBe	xD  too good lads, imma go now, nice to chat with you, thanks, and i still thinks that Arch comunity is the best comunity <33333
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2021-08-15 19:32:43	NetSysFire	now i still need to log on to the wiki and patrol these undos
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2021-08-15 20:01:06	lakiluki	Hey, i tried to mount the cifs SMB share on qemu with the -smb option
2021-08-15 20:01:18	lakiluki	if I understood correctly, the share should be at 10.0.2.4
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2021-08-15 20:02:40	lakiluki	however, a normal `mount -t cifs //10.0.2.4/qemu/ /mnt/` does nothing but exit with a status code of 1
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2021-08-15 20:03:03	lakiluki	the same thing with sudo says that cifs is not supported by the system
2021-08-15 20:03:53	lakiluki	also, trying to mount anything other than 10.0.2.4 does the same thing, and smbclient -L just blocks the whole system, it seems
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2021-08-15 20:07:37	HuntsMan	lakiluki: what is the exact error message?
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2021-08-15 20:09:06	lakiluki	HuntsMan: mount error: cifs filesystem not supported by the system
2021-08-15 20:09:17	lakiluki	also -- `no such device`
2021-08-15 20:09:25	lakiluki	however, this is only when using sudo
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2021-08-15 20:09:36	lakiluki	without sudo, there's no error message, but it also fails
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2021-08-15 20:10:15	baltazar	ok, so I'm guessing it doesn't show because it is on channel 13. I believe I have configured the correct crda country
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2021-08-15 20:12:04	lakiluki	I have also tried specifying the username for mount.cifs and providing a password, but that results in the same error
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2021-08-15 20:19:33	Hello71	lakiluki: did you try running mount.cifs manually
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2021-08-15 20:24:52	lakiluki	Hello71: I haven't, but it seems that cifs is compiled into a kernel module, and I don't have kernel modules installed for the custom kernel, so I guess that might be it
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2021-08-15 20:25:05	Hello71	...
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2021-08-16 20:15:09	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-08-16 20:15:09	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1306 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1306 normals)
2021-08-16 10:49:58	MrElendig	didn't have to reboot, but anyway, make sure the correct thing is mounted to /boot and then -Syu and dkms autoinstall
2021-08-16 10:55:16	hyper_dave	Thanks, my /boot was not mounted properly
2021-08-16 11:44:36	krissmaster	YEs
2021-08-16 11:44:58	raster	Nooooo!
2021-08-16 11:45:22	krissmaster	Ok :(
2021-08-16 11:45:36	krissmaster	Sorry, wrong chat :/
2021-08-16 11:46:58	Mysterytrain	snicker
2021-08-16 11:53:38	MrElendig	<red birb>
2021-08-16 12:18:08	artefact_	is there a more efficient way to query processes by state other than walking through /proc/$x/status ?
2021-08-16 12:18:52	MrElendig	depends on what you mean by efficient
2021-08-16 12:19:54	artefact_	not walking through the entire list of pids
2021-08-16 12:20:48	mpan	How is it slow now?
2021-08-16 12:24:53	mpan	artefact_: how have you measured it is slow, what are time limitations and where is your program spending most time?
2021-08-16 14:24:48	Ingar	NoobAlice: actually looking for something to draw the walls and all that, but LibreCAD might be what I'm looking for (note: freecad != librecad)
2021-08-16 14:26:07	jonathon	when did thunderbird start cutting/trimming email chains on reply? that's very annoying.
2021-08-16 14:29:03	mizu	so i just created a post transaction hook that is triggered on package upgrades, but running paru -Syu triggers the hook twice, is it possible to tell paru to ignore the hook?
2021-08-16 14:29:04	⚡ 	Foxboron gives jonathon mutt
2021-08-16 14:29:46	morganamilo	mizu: nope just how it is
2021-08-16 14:29:56	morganamilo	unless you use chroot builds :P
2021-08-16 14:30:57	mizu	morganamilo: _sigh_ it's even more annoying because paru upgrades packages one after the other, so the hook runs multiple times :P
2021-08-16 14:32:18	morganamilo	acutally there's --batchinstall
2021-08-16 14:32:25	morganamilo	i forget that's an option 
2021-08-16 14:33:32	mizu	oooh nice!
2021-08-16 14:34:13	mizu	wait a minute, are you the maintainer of paru?
2021-08-16 14:34:46	jonathon	oh wow... it's detecting a signature/sigsep in the last reply in the chain and stripping everything following it... -.- so, change mail.strip_sig_on_reply=false and "fixed"
2021-08-16 14:35:19	jonathon	mizu: yes, they are :)
2021-08-16 14:36:34	morganamilo	yet i still forget the options some times
2021-08-16 15:04:38	hendry	is XDG_RUNTIME_DIR aka /run/user/1000 a tempory directory?
2021-08-16 15:07:40	slimefoot	hendry: /run is a tmpfs (i.e. in-memory) and discarded when the system is shut down
2021-08-16 15:08:09	electrohead	and for reference - https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/pam_systemd.html
2021-08-16 15:08:11	phrik	Title: pam_systemd (at www.freedesktop.org)
2021-08-16 15:09:03	slimefoot	so depending on your definition of "temporary", the answer is probably "yes" (same for anything underneath, i.e. XDG_RUNTIME_DIR)
2021-08-16 15:13:48	hendry	slimefoot: thanks
2021-08-16 15:44:40	cyphertite	slimefoot:  I think you're ^right about /run, but additionally, iirc, /run is not mounted when in arch-chroot 'mode' from the install *.iso, which can cause incorrect status reporting, until rebooted into a native Arch system
2021-08-16 15:45:50	slimefoot	cyphertite: arch-chroot should bind-mount /run from the live system into the chroot
2021-08-16 15:46:01	slimefoot	check line 96 in arch-chroot
2021-08-16 15:47:10	Hello71	it's been mounted since literally forever
2021-08-16 15:47:23	Hello71	it's also bind mounted since 2019: https://github.com/archlinux/arch-install-scripts/commit/aea51ba9012ace489d10543f34ebea9c5aebd812
2021-08-16 15:47:25	cyphertite	yeah, np, it's been a bit since I had the chance to test this ;D
2021-08-16 15:47:53	Hello71	and what does "incorrect status reporting" mean anyways
2021-08-16 15:48:18	Hello71	you can't interact with the host systemd in an arch-chroot anyways because pidns
2021-08-16 15:48:43	Hello71	systemctl refuses to operate in an ordinary chroot
2021-08-16 15:49:14	MrElendig	it needs dbus
2021-08-16 15:49:24	CyberShadow	Does anyone know if it's possible to make Firefox use its own notifications implementation instead of the org.freedesktop.Notifications thing on DBus
2021-08-16 15:49:26	CyberShadow	?
2021-08-16 15:49:39	MrElendig	CyberShadow: it has one? :p
2021-08-16 15:49:43	CyberShadow	Yep
2021-08-16 15:50:01	CyberShadow	It's the same one it uses on Windows, I think
2021-08-16 15:50:20	MrElendig	on windows it switched over to the system one ages ago
2021-08-16 15:50:25	CyberShadow	Oh. I mean Windows 7 and older
2021-08-16 15:51:53	MrElendig	is older than 7 even supported anymore?
2021-08-16 15:52:59	CyberShadow	It's the same one that was used* on Windows 7 and older, I think
2021-08-16 15:53:08	MrElendig	wouldn't be surprised if you have to rebuild ff without libnotify support, if it even has the old built in notification code in place anymore
2021-08-16 15:53:33	CyberShadow	If I uninstall dunst I get it, so yes it definitely has it
2021-08-16 15:53:47	CyberShadow	so all I have to do is somehow mask the DBus service from Firefox
2021-08-16 15:54:00	CyberShadow	I could mask all of DBus, probably... but I think I need it for IME
2021-08-16 15:54:23	MrElendig	other than that; dig trough about:config
2021-08-16 15:54:27	CyberShadow	Already :(
2021-08-16 15:56:26	MrElendig	try alerts.useSystemBackend or something
2021-08-16 15:57:21	CyberShadow	OMG, that works
2021-08-16 15:57:41	CyberShadow	Though the meaning of the value is seemingly backwards ("system" means built-in?)
2021-08-16 15:57:43	CyberShadow	Thanks MrElendig :)
2021-08-16 15:57:52	MrElendig	system == operating system
2021-08-16 15:58:06	CyberShadow	Exactly
2021-08-16 15:58:24	MrElendig	sidenote: I wish ff would add help/descriptive comments to about:config
2021-08-16 15:58:30	CyberShadow	Oh, no, you're right, I got turned around
2021-08-16 16:05:41	cyphertite	Hello71:  I tracked it down, despite several years:  'This is because /run is not available inside the chroot. These warnings will not prevent the system from booting, provided that everything has been done correctly, so you may continue with the installation.'  from:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Warning_when_installing_in_chroot - and sure, this does lead to  lvmetad warning(s) during
2021-08-16 16:05:43	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-16 16:05:43	cyphertite	install  
2021-08-16 16:06:07	Hello71	so not really "incorrect status reporting"?
2021-08-16 16:06:22	cyphertite	right, poor phrasing
2021-08-16 16:08:10	cyphertite	but what I told slimefoot about /run not being available within the chroot is/was correct
2021-08-16 16:09:47	slimefoot	I believe the phrasing in the wiki is a little unfortunate there - it's not that /run is not available, it's that /run may not be in an expected state
2021-08-16 16:13:48	cyphertite	All I know is that I (and others) have seen the lvmetad warning(s) during installation.  I had no clue as to their relevance or seriousness until I began digging ;p
2021-08-16 16:18:14	grawity	some linux docs are like "the car isn't running because there's no sound from the engine. the sound is what makes the car go"
2021-08-16 16:18:23	baltazar	why doesn't nodm depend on xorg-server?
2021-08-16 16:19:07	Ingar	grawity: that's MSDN
2021-08-16 16:20:05	NetSysFire	!grab grawity
2021-08-16 16:20:05	phrik	NetSysFire: Tada!
2021-08-16 16:28:59	shan	hi, anyone know how to make GNOME show all window titles in the Alt-Tab switcher
2021-08-16 16:38:53	cyphertite	slimefoot:  ^'is a little unfortunate there' unfortunately impacts all of those, including me, unfortunate enough to be born lacking 'the suggested essential' mind-reading capabilities of archwiki authors.  Either what has been written is correct, or it is not  ;D
2021-08-16 16:41:39	slimefoot	cyphertite: nobody expects you to have mind-reading abilities, but it's a wiki, and anyone can edit it (or at least the majority of its content), so it's recommended not to trust information in there 100% if your life depends on it
2021-08-16 16:43:10	cyphertite	noted, for quite some time, just saying...
2021-08-16 16:45:22	cyphertite	especially, when challenged ;p
2021-08-16 16:48:23	Aryan	Hi, how much storage I need to setup and archlinux mirror?
2021-08-16 16:49:51	Aryan	Hi, how much storage I need to setup an archlinux mirror?
2021-08-16 16:51:15	slimefoot	Aryan: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:NewMirrors
2021-08-16 16:51:17	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:NewMirrors - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-16 17:39:26	Aryan	slimefoot: thanks!
2021-08-16 17:54:59	weltio	can't connect to 'socket:///home/user/.gnupg/log-socket': Connection refused
2021-08-16 17:55:03	weltio	ll /home/user/.gnupg/log-socket
2021-08-16 17:55:07	weltio	srwxr-xr-x 1 user user 0  5. Nov 2020  /home/user/.gnupg/log-socket
2021-08-16 17:55:09	weltio	why?
2021-08-16 17:55:24	weltio	happens on use of ""gpg --batch --generate-key <<EOF...
2021-08-16 18:09:46	Lettuce	Hello, I have a network issue I can't figure out. I can access internet, most of my DNS queries succeed. However, whenever I try to resolve one of my DNS record containing a private IP, it timeout. My /etc/resolv.conf contains 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' and I've disabled ipv6 on my server with sysctl. I don't know what can be wrong
2021-08-16 18:10:50	heat	what do you mean with one of your DNS records
2021-08-16 18:12:11	Lettuce	when I do 'getent hosts <mydomain>' it timeout (but I can use any online tool and it is resolved. I never had that issue before, but I just moved to a different house and I have a new router at a different operator.
2021-08-16 18:33:03	elagost	Lettuce: by "private IP" do you mean something like a 10. or 192.? From what it sounds like you can't resolve a DNS record using Google as the nameserver. Add another nameserver maybe? Like your router, or 1.1.1.1?
2021-08-16 18:35:01	Lettuce	@elagost
2021-08-16 18:35:40	Lettuce	I mean 10.x.x.x. I was using my router DNS first. In doubt I started using 8.8.8.8 and 1.1.1.1 but all have the same result
2021-08-16 18:37:27	elagost	your router should allow discovery by hostname. Might just be a router setting. You're also probably better off setting DNS at the router level than individually on machines, and letting machines use network-provided DNS.
2021-08-16 18:38:20	andrew	clear
2021-08-16 18:38:39	andrew	opps, wrong terminal
2021-08-16 18:38:43	Lettuce	I opened my router setting and set the default DNS to 8.8.8.8 and 1.1.1.1. But the problem was still here. I called my operator to know if they were filtering something but they told me they weren't.
2021-08-16 18:39:03	andrew	anyway do I need EFI partition?
2021-08-16 18:39:10	andrew	when I dual boot
2021-08-16 18:39:13	andrew	with windows
2021-08-16 18:40:56	elagost	Lettuce: probably a router setting regarding local advertisement of hostnames. Your router shouldn't forward requests for local 10.x hosts upstream if that's its address space. 
2021-08-16 18:43:26	Lettuce	elagost, i'm not trying to send anything, just resolving the DNS. I have a VPN that will take care of the forwarding. I've hardcoded the host in my /etc/hosts and it works. I just have to keep the list manually updated :s
2021-08-16 18:45:50	elagost	Lettuce: If it worked with the same setup at a different place, and only one variable's changed, it's probably that variable. I encourage you to dig around in the router.
2021-08-16 18:46:14	elagost	or install avahi on your hosts and see if that solves it for you.
2021-08-16 18:46:19	Lettuce	You're right, thanks for the help ;)
2021-08-16 19:16:11	docmax	is arch the best linux distro you can get???
2021-08-16 19:16:17	MrElendig	!as
2021-08-16 19:16:18	phrik	Arch Sucks™
2021-08-16 19:16:26	docmax	what?
2021-08-16 19:16:46	MrElendig	its just that many other distroes suck even more
2021-08-16 19:16:59	MrElendig	also, there is no single "best", it all depends on use case/requirements/preferences
2021-08-16 19:18:00	another|	!ass
2021-08-16 19:18:01	phrik	Arch *Strategically* Sucks™
2021-08-16 19:19:51	slimefoot	!give docmax best
2021-08-16 19:19:51	phrik	docmax: Use whatever suits _you_ best.
2021-08-16 19:20:08	NetSysFire	!give docmax aw arch is the best
2021-08-16 19:20:09	phrik	docmax: Arch is the best - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_is_the_best
2021-08-16 19:20:28	NetSysFire	but i kinda like rebecca black os more
2021-08-16 19:21:25	docmax	rebecca could be better
2021-08-16 19:28:53	NetSysFire	it definitely better than arch
2021-08-16 19:29:27	mullagain	\quit
2021-08-16 19:53:31	docmax	i just checked arch. its definetly the best!
2021-08-16 19:54:19	Tom^	grazzolini: hi you there?
2021-08-16 19:55:42	b-rex	Know someone running Manjaro in #archlinux? 1-800-FBI-TIPS
2021-08-16 19:59:41	docmax	no, i run arch in manjaro
2021-08-16 20:03:47	grazzolini	Tom^: yes
2021-08-16 20:04:07	grazzolini	docmax: you don't run arch then
2021-08-16 20:04:39	weltio	can't connect to 'socket:///home/user/.gnupg/log-socket': Connection refused
2021-08-16 20:04:41	weltio	ll /home/user/.gnupg/log-socket
2021-08-16 20:04:43	weltio	srwxr-xr-x 1 user user 0  5. Nov 2020  /home/user/.gnupg/log-socket
2021-08-16 20:04:49	weltio	why?
2021-08-16 20:06:19	Tom^	grazzolini: just a long shot question seeing since you last updated glibc when gcc11 landed, im not able to rebuild neither -git (i know unsupported) but not the repo lib32 build either. tried both gcc10 and gcc11 and with a stock makepkg.conf it fails at "error: bp cannot be used in ‘asm’ here" . however i just two seconds ago managed to get it to build if i added -fno-omit-frame-pointer
2021-08-16 20:07:59	grazzolini	Tom^: I'm working on a rebuild
2021-08-16 20:08:51	Tom^	grazzolini: ok, well if you get stuck at "error: bp cannot be used in ‘asm’ here" i managed to get past it by using -fno-omit-frame-pointer , :p not sure why this is appearing now. hasnt before as far as i know but
2021-08-16 20:08:59	Tom^	only in the lib32 build tho
2021-08-16 20:09:34	grazzolini	Tom^: this is on the last step or on the intermediate gcc step?
2021-08-16 20:10:01	Tom^	grazzolini: the lib32 build of glibc
2021-08-16 20:10:08	grazzolini	because I think there's a bug report to simplify the rebuild and I think it uses that for the intermediate gcc, but I might be misremembering
2021-08-16 20:10:24	Tom^	im rebuilding glibc that is, not gcc.
2021-08-16 20:15:09	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-16 20:15:29	devcpu	wat? arch is better than arch?)
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2021-08-16 20:17:59	NoobAlice	!grab b-rex
2021-08-16 20:17:59	phrik	NoobAlice: Tada!
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2021-08-16 20:18:41	mpan	Merely using Manjaro is not a crime on #archlinux. Masochism is acceptable. What is punishable is being a sadist who tortures others with questions about Manjaro. ;)
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2021-08-16 20:19:58	another|	Why is Manjaro? /s
2021-08-16 20:20:15	grazzolini	Tom^: sure, but there's a whole toolchain rebuild that's going to happen
2021-08-16 20:20:27	Tom^	grazzolini: yeah
2021-08-16 20:20:48	grazzolini	mpan: using, no problem. asking for help, problem
2021-08-16 20:20:50	Tom^	grazzolini: if you hit same thing, and figure out the proper uh solution. ping me! :p
2021-08-16 20:20:59	grazzolini	Tom^: sure thing
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2021-08-16 20:22:51	nij-	Hello! I've heard that you can turn an arch machine into your own router. How about modem? 
2021-08-16 20:22:59	mpan	grazzolini: indeed. 
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2021-08-16 20:23:27	mpan	nij-: modem is a hardware term, so no.
2021-08-16 20:23:27	another|	you can turn any linux machine into a router
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2021-08-16 20:23:47	grazzolini	nij-: you can do that too. there is modem emulator software
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2021-08-16 20:24:34	mpan	grazzolini: I assume nij- means a working moden to which they can plug a cable, fiber or copper.
2021-08-16 20:24:44	nij-	Cool. IIRC, the modem connects directly to my ISP. Should I be worried that they might tweak the info, so that a home made modem wouldn't be able to understand the signal they sent over?
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2021-08-16 20:25:40	grazzolini	nij-: what's this? plain ppp? pppoe? pppoa? linux supports all these and more.
2021-08-16 20:25:49	mpan	That requires converting analog signal to digital data. Hardware. You can get extension cards for a computer that do that, but then the Linux part works mostly as a router, not modem.
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2021-08-16 20:26:54	Tom^	grazzolini: https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=27997 aha
2021-08-16 20:26:56	phrik	Title: 27997 – I get an error when building glibc 2.33. (at sourceware.org)
2021-08-16 20:27:09	nij-	@_@
2021-08-16 20:27:22	nij-	Maybe my question isn't specific enough, but I don't understand.
2021-08-16 20:27:38	nij-	I just wanna replace my modem (bought from my ISP) with my own linux machine.
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2021-08-16 20:28:03	MrElendig	nij-: you would need a pcie modem 
2021-08-16 20:28:19	MrElendig	what horrible incoming line is this anyway?
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2021-08-16 20:28:22	MrElendig	or usb
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2021-08-16 20:29:03	grazzolini	nij-: your question was poorly phrased, yes. you need specialized hardware for that. which linux very likely supports. as well as whatever protocol your ISP uses.
2021-08-16 20:29:16	avapxia	nij-: perharps look into openwrt, will be linux, not archlinux though
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2021-08-16 20:30:20	nij-	grazzolini: I'm aware of that. Sorry. I now get that I need another hardware (pci modem) at least. Thank you too  MrElendig .
2021-08-16 20:31:12	grazzolini	Tom^: yay! more patching =D
2021-08-16 20:31:29	Tom^	grazzolini: indeed :)
2021-08-16 20:31:44	grazzolini	Tom^: it's very hard to track all needed patches
2021-08-16 20:31:55	grazzolini	also also, the optional ones to pull in
2021-08-16 20:32:33	nij-	Sigh. I suspect that my ISP knows too much about me. At least for starter, having my own homemade modem might help solve the issue.
2021-08-16 20:32:44	mpan	… which is what I was saying from the begining. ;)
2021-08-16 20:32:59	MrElendig	nij-: it won't do anything like that
2021-08-16 20:33:12	mpan	nij-: having own modem will not change anything privacy-wise.
2021-08-16 20:33:23	mpan	Just separate yourself from their modem using own router.
2021-08-16 20:33:34	nij-	mpan: why not?
2021-08-16 20:33:49	nij-	MrElendig: you never know @@
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2021-08-16 20:34:14	MrElendig	nij-: simply not how networks works
2021-08-16 20:34:16	nij-	Even if the connection is secured, they can still see how frequently I ping a site.
2021-08-16 20:34:16	mpan	Because there is nothing in a modem itself that infringes your privacy and can be eliminated by using own modem.
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2021-08-16 20:34:32	mpan	nij-: they still can, because it goes through their infrastructure anyway.
2021-08-16 20:34:48	nij-	Ah!
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2021-08-16 20:35:09	mpan	Just treat the modem as a part of ISP’s infra (and in many countries it legally is exactly that).
2021-08-16 20:36:29	nij-	So I must get a vpn?
2021-08-16 20:36:31	mpan	Your own modem protects you against the threat of your ISP putting a microphone in the modem and listening to your talks. Or a WiFi module that will break into your wireless networks. But I hope you can see that it’s likely not your threat model.
2021-08-16 20:36:50	nij-	mpan: gotcha
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2021-08-16 20:37:09	MrElendig	I would trust most vpn providers *less* than my isp
2021-08-16 20:37:10	mpan	VPN is just moving the problem elsewhere.
2021-08-16 20:37:13	mpan	!vpn2
2021-08-16 20:37:14	phrik	http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/how-vpn-works.jpg
2021-08-16 20:37:36	nij-	HA!
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2021-08-16 20:37:53	nij-	Or to config my machine so that it connects completely through TOR?
2021-08-16 20:38:05	MrElendig	or just not worry about it
2021-08-16 20:38:09	mpan	↑
2021-08-16 20:38:29	nij-	MrElendig:  no it's been depriving my sleep
2021-08-16 20:38:36	mpan	You may use Tor, but then you experience lower bandwidth. And if you use it for no good reason, you are loading the network pointlessly.
2021-08-16 20:38:40	MrElendig	seek professional help in that case
2021-08-16 20:38:54	grazzolini	nij-: you never answered me who you're trying to defend against
2021-08-16 20:38:55	MrElendig	using tor is like painting a giant target on yourself
2021-08-16 20:39:02	nij-	MrElendig: ha i knew that's coming. sure!
2021-08-16 20:39:10	grazzolini	nij-: you're still making the wrong questions, and wrong assumptions
2021-08-16 20:39:13	mpan	MrElendig: except that no one knows it’s you. ;)
2021-08-16 20:39:20	MrElendig	mpan: except they do
2021-08-16 20:39:31	MrElendig	mpan: when you are the only tor user in your part of the country ...
2021-08-16 20:39:33	mpan	MrElendig: oh, any news about onion routing being boken now?
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2021-08-16 20:40:15	mpan	How would anyone upstream know what part of a country you are from, if using Tor?
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2021-08-16 20:40:31	nij-	grazzolini: in this case I'm defending myself against my ISP provider.
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2021-08-16 20:40:32	MrElendig	live in campus, post threats over tor, police goes "hmm, there is only a single tor user on campus"
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2021-08-16 20:40:40	MrElendig	^ some idiot got cought that way :p
2021-08-16 20:40:43	nij-	I don't want them to be able to monitor where I went.
2021-08-16 20:40:50	mpan	Unless you mean the state actively monitoring for Tor connections at mass scale. But then we are dealing with a different kind of a problem.
2021-08-16 20:41:03	grazzolini	nij-: you need a vpn/tor for that.
2021-08-16 20:41:13	MrElendig	nij-: don't use their dns server, use https for everything, including dns
2021-08-16 20:41:22	grazzolini	nij-: still, it's just shifting the problem elsewhere
2021-08-16 20:41:24	avapxia	nij-: are you trying to hide you only from your isp ?
2021-08-16 20:41:31	grazzolini	it depends on if that's acceptable to you
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2021-08-16 20:42:14	MrElendig	if you are in one of the more questionable countries, they like to go after tor/vpn users just for the fact that you use tor/vpn
2021-08-16 20:42:23	nij-	:-O
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2021-08-16 20:42:48	mpan	nij-: they = who?
2021-08-16 20:42:55	mpan	That may be the most important part of the question.
2021-08-16 20:43:09	mpan	And how are the they a bigger problem than other they?
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2021-08-16 20:43:40	nij-	I get you folks. Thanks :)
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2021-08-16 20:45:47	nij-	OK, next question. Hopefully is well specified this time.
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2021-08-16 20:46:22	nij-	I'm going to move into with someone I don't know well. We will share a modem, router, and passwords that access the admin page.
2021-08-16 20:46:38	mpan	If you seek perfect anonymity, there is no such thing. Anonymity is a continuous value. Even worse, multidimensional one if you dig deeper. And the more anonymity you get, the more inconvenient it gets. So it really depends on what EXACTLY you need and, if solution is proposed, you must understand its shortcomings.
2021-08-16 20:46:46	MrElendig	treat it as you would treat any public wifi network
2021-08-16 20:46:50	nij-	Suppose that the roommate knows how to hack the modem and router well, and suppose they don't have my physical access of my machine.
2021-08-16 20:46:58	nij-	What could I do to protect myself?
2021-08-16 20:47:16	mpan	nij-: use encrypted/authenticated (TLS, SSH, …) connections for everything.
2021-08-16 20:47:35	nij-	They can still see where I connect to, right?
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2021-08-16 20:47:47	mpan	They can still see where you go, but that’s all. You can use VPN to protect yourself from THEM, but then VPN operator gets all this info.
2021-08-16 20:48:14	mpan	Again, you haven’t specified what’s the threat model.
2021-08-16 20:48:22	nij-	mpan:  not yet?!
2021-08-16 20:48:35	mpan	What kind of information you want to protect?
2021-08-16 20:48:47	thurstylark	how far do you care?
2021-08-16 20:48:47	mpan	And from whom? In particular, why from them but not from another person?
2021-08-16 20:48:51	nij-	I don't want they know which site I go.
2021-08-16 20:49:11	mpan	But why they? What’s the difference if a roommate or another person knows that?
2021-08-16 20:49:25	nij-	because they will have access to the admin page
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2021-08-16 20:49:46	mpan	No. Why they learning about the pages you visit is worse than anyone else learning about that?
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2021-08-16 20:50:21	Tom^	mpan: beause mom spanks harder then the ISP
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2021-08-16 20:50:26	thurstylark	lol
2021-08-16 20:50:32	colo	lol
2021-08-16 20:50:42	mpan	xD
2021-08-16 20:50:52	mpan	Tom^: that would be a perfectly valid answer. =p
2021-08-16 20:51:05	nij-	\ @_@/ ~~
2021-08-16 20:51:09	mpan	But mom will spank for using VPN or Tor too.
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2021-08-16 20:51:43	nij-	Well, because roommates are connected to my social circle.
2021-08-16 20:51:51	◣	mtn (~mtn@135.129.113.9) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2021-08-16 20:51:56	mpan	Then get a VPN. But then VPN operator knows everything about you.
2021-08-16 20:52:01	nij-	And I don't want them to know where I'm going because the info might leak and do bad on me.
2021-08-16 20:52:12	avapxia	nij-: also you can host your own vpn on a cheap vps
2021-08-16 20:52:15	nij-	mpan: or use tor if I don't care about internet speed?
2021-08-16 20:52:20	pants	archlinux.org is pretty embarassing
2021-08-16 20:52:29	mpan	nij-: sure, but that will bring their attention due to how Tor is perceived.
2021-08-16 20:52:41	nij-	ic
2021-08-16 20:52:58	nij-	Now the inverse problem: suppose I'm the evil roommate who has the admin access.
2021-08-16 20:53:06	nij-	how would I spy on my ignorant roommates ?
2021-08-16 20:53:09	mpan	nij-: also be aware that some people of your social circles may still learn about what you see in Tor, considering that I am a bit in your social circle. ;)
2021-08-16 20:53:23	mpan	nij-: sorry, but spying on others is outside of the scope of this channel.
2021-08-16 20:53:32	nij-	Gotcha
2021-08-16 20:54:02	sclu1034	at least for HTTPS, you could host a proxy on a VPS. that would make all browsing go through that IP, while still looking like a regular HTTPS connection
2021-08-16 20:54:06	mpan	Well, technically I can’t do that now, as I am no longer a guard node. But I was for quite some time and, if I wanted, I could setup logging so I would be able to reveal active uses on IRC.
2021-08-16 20:54:08	grazzolini	pants: right
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2021-08-16 20:54:35	mpan	nij-: buy a VPN service or, as sclu1034 and avapxia said, set your own.
2021-08-16 20:55:08	nij-	By setting my own vpn, do you mean that I get some server (like linode?) and turn that server as a node?
2021-08-16 20:55:14	avapxia	yup
2021-08-16 20:55:15	sclu1034	or make it selective. anything that you want to be protected goes through the proxy, the rest doesn't. that way they can't suspect you for only connectin to a single IP either
2021-08-16 20:55:24	nij-	In that case, linode knows where I'm visiting. (which is fine to me i guess)
2021-08-16 20:55:44	grazzolini	nij-: hence why I said, you're just moving the problem somewhere else
2021-08-16 20:55:54	nij-	grazzolini: Yeap. Thanks a lot :)
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2021-08-16 20:56:22	grazzolini	nij-: but, for example, let's say you use a vpn server outside your country. even if the vpn operators might log everything, they might no be subject to requests from your country.
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2021-08-16 20:57:53	nij-	i see
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2021-08-16 20:58:25	nij-	It seems that I can read more info about where I have been connecting to from a router, than from a modem. Why is that?
2021-08-16 20:59:04	avapxia	nij-: the router actually route your packets, so it has to know where to send them
2021-08-16 20:59:37	avapxia	but they have to pass through the modem, but it might just be logging less
2021-08-16 21:00:04	nij-	Or maybe the admin page of a modem usually don't show me a lot.
2021-08-16 21:00:47	mpan	A modem is a physical device that transforms data between digital and analog signal. While technically setting up logging there could happen, it would have to implement the full stack… which router already does.
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2021-08-16 21:01:19	nij-	Ah, I see.
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2021-08-16 21:01:27	mpan	You could as well ask, why a cable is not logging your data. Well… trying setting up a spying device directly on a cable.
2021-08-16 21:01:40	nij-	Yeah, it makes much sense now :)
2021-08-16 21:01:42	◣	wyclif (~wyclif@user/wyclif) ha salido (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2021-08-16 21:02:00	mpan	Modem stands for “modulator-demodulator”. That should give you some hint.
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2021-08-16 21:02:13	nij-	Or maybe why isn't my carpet logging my data by detecting the em wave change caused by the signal.
2021-08-16 21:02:26	⚡ 	nij- rips the carpet and throws them away.
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2021-08-16 21:02:50	nij-	Ok, now it seems that TOR is the safest way.
2021-08-16 21:02:53	mpan	While modems have some minimal information processing functionality, because they need it for very low level communication at the physical level, it’s extremely limited and layers below your TCP traffic.
2021-08-16 21:03:13	nij-	  From this, I see that it's easy to use TOR on archlinux. Jush start the service and config the programs. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/tor#Usage
2021-08-16 21:03:14	phrik	Title: Tor - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-16 21:03:21	mpan	No, the safest way is connecting from a free hotspot in a bar.
2021-08-16 21:03:47	mpan	It’s also the most inconvenient.
2021-08-16 21:04:02	pants	a free hotspot in a bar with a little mac address randomization
2021-08-16 21:04:06	nij-	However, what if I want to change ALL programs to link through the tor service?
2021-08-16 21:04:31	mpan	nij-: you don’t. To properly use Tor, you use Whonix etc.
2021-08-16 21:04:38	thurstylark	I only trust "AirpotWIFi_2GHz_copy" for my browsing needs
2021-08-16 21:04:45	nij-	mpan: I see. That makes sense to. I should better cover my faces so that the activity doesn't get linked by recordings captured by monitor.
2021-08-16 21:04:52	mpan	Or setup it with system-wide redirection.
2021-08-16 21:05:15	nij-	mpan:  yeah I want a system-wide redir. How do I do that?
2021-08-16 21:05:15	mpan	nij-: sure. And you are again not specifying your threat model and treating anonymity as a binary value.
2021-08-16 21:05:23	mpan	Sorry, but this is not how it works.
2021-08-16 21:05:29	mpan	You likely don’t want Tor.
2021-08-16 21:05:33	nij-	No, I just want to link through Tor. No one to protect against this time.
2021-08-16 21:05:34	mpan	You want a VPN.
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2021-08-16 21:06:01	mpan	Oh, I ensure you that there are many people to protect against. As I said, quite recently I could detect your connections through Tor if I wanted.
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2021-08-16 21:06:18	mpan	I would not, as I have quite strict no-logging policy, but I could.
2021-08-16 21:06:36	mpan	Seriously, first understand what anonymity is. Then come back with questions. So far: get a VPN.
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2021-08-16 21:06:49	nij-	Ok..
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2021-08-16 22:02:58	moonshine	if you're worried about your isp flagging your use of tor, you can use tor over a bridge.
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2021-08-16 22:03:44	moonshine	tor browser doesn't automatically connect anymore unless you tell it to, and you can request a bridge/configure it to use a bridge upon connect.
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2021-08-16 22:04:26	mpan	Though be aware that this can also be detected.
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2021-08-16 22:05:22	moonshine	there's also meek
2021-08-16 22:06:09	moonshine	meek/obfs4/snowflake
2021-08-16 22:06:37	moonshine	that's all selectable on the bridges section of tor browser.
2021-08-16 22:06:39	mpan	Yeah, that is harder to detec.
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2021-08-16 22:10:38	ice9	4K video playback is choppy and there is massive fps loss, i got i7 11th gen and nvidia; plus i can play 4K in youtube fine; any idea?
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2021-08-16 22:21:32	enoq	any idea why libreoffice exports pdfs where half of the text is missing
2021-08-16 22:22:09	NetSysFire	!gts
2021-08-16 22:22:10	phrik	(1) Please run this application in a terminal, inspect and maybe !paste the output (if possible). (2) Check and optionally !paste your journal. (3) Did you check the bugtracker (see !bugs)? If this program has a forum/issue tracker, did you check that, too?
2021-08-16 22:22:18	enoq	thanks
2021-08-16 22:23:10	teraflops	ice9: where are you getting the choppy playback?
2021-08-16 22:23:15	enoq	probably related to https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/66754
2021-08-16 22:23:16	phrik	Title: FS#66754 : [libreoffice-fresh/cantarell-fonts] export to pdf does not work for cantarell fonts (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-16 22:25:06	thurstylark	enoq: easy way to check is to change one of the fonts that isn't showing up in the pdf
2021-08-16 22:25:13	ice9	teraflops, in vlc 
2021-08-16 22:25:36	teraflops	which GPU are you using, nvidia?
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2021-08-16 22:26:12	teraflops	check codecs and hw accel in vlc config
2021-08-16 22:26:17	enoq	yep, first comment worked
2021-08-16 22:26:21	enoq	rm /usr/share/fonts/cantarell/Cantarell-VF.otf
2021-08-16 22:26:23	enoq	fc-cache
2021-08-16 22:26:25	enoq	basically
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2021-08-16 22:27:35	enoq	"I don't repro anymore, so let's close" - oh well
2021-08-16 22:28:10	teraflops	idk about vlc but mpv with hwdec=nvdec and vo=gpu works extrmely well on nvidia gpu
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2021-08-16 22:40:12	ice9	teraflops, just tested mpv and it's more playable than vlc, it's less choppy but still and it's kind of slow motion
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2021-08-16 22:44:46	MrElendig	check cpu and io load while you are doing so
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2021-08-16 22:50:29	ice9	MrElendig, cpu load is 2.5 (i got 8 cores)
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2021-08-16 22:55:19	teraflops	what kinf od file is this? codec mainly. which gpu are you using? is the driver installed? also which options are you using on mpv?
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2021-08-16 22:55:32	teraflops	kind of^
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2021-08-16 22:57:26	MrElendig	and which flags did you use with mpv
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2021-08-16 23:03:47	NewUser223	any word when glibc might be updated?
2021-08-16 23:03:53	NetSysFire	!when5
2021-08-16 23:03:54	phrik	every time someone asks about a release date it is postponed by a week
2021-08-16 23:04:00	NetSysFire	good job
2021-08-16 23:04:07	NewUser223	lol
2021-08-16 23:04:19	NewUser223	was not expecting that.
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2021-08-16 23:05:28	NetSysFire	!outdated
2021-08-16 23:05:29	phrik	Outdated package? (1) Flag it as out of date and be patient. (2) If you can't wait, build it yourself. (3) If more than three weeks have passed and you want to help updating it, tell the maintainer if the new version works or not. Do not forget to be kind or your mail shall be cast into oblivion
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2021-08-16 23:10:42	ice9	teraflops, MrElendig it's nvidia and the prop driver is used, (mpv --hwdec=nvdec --vo=gpu file.mp4)
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2021-08-16 23:14:27	another|	ice9: ffprobe file.mp4
2021-08-16 23:14:37	another|	what codecs are in there?
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2021-08-16 23:16:14	ℹ 	woodwose` es conocido ahora como woodwose
2021-08-16 23:16:32	ice9	!paste
2021-08-16 23:16:32	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2021-08-16 23:16:54	ice9	another|, https://bpa.st/3YYQ
2021-08-16 23:16:55	phrik	Title: View paste 3YYQ (at bpa.st)
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2021-08-16 23:17:54	another|	"4.3.2-0+deb11u1ubuntu1" you know that this is #archlinux , right?
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2021-08-16 23:58:21	tedster	Heyo, I'm having issues with my xbox 360 controller not providing input as it usually would, and I don't feel like rebooting. Is there a way for me to stop and reload whatever drivers or service would be handling controller input (outside of unplugging and replugging the controller, which doesn't seem to yield any effect)?
2021-08-16 23:59:10	tedster	Steam recognizes the controller without issue, but its inputs aren't...interpreted as I'd anticipate. Center button and right stick equal cursor movement, and center button and start equal GNOME's alt-tab functionality
2021-08-17 00:02:33	tedster	on further investigation, the controller calibration in Big Picture seems to be interpreting it fine
2021-08-17 00:04:16	tedster	...and clearing the layout that I didn't set for the controller in Big Picture seems to have resolved my issue, but I have no clue how or why
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2021-08-17 00:42:27	jonathon	There's a user over here (https://forum.garudalinux.org/t/runaway-pids-due-to-btrfs/11684) who seems to think that reaching higher-order PIDs in use on the system (up to kernel.pid_max) might be causing an issue. I'm trying to replicate this (but it's taking a while), so just wondering whether anyone has seen similar since the PID max increase to 4194304 in systemd 243?
2021-08-17 00:43:48	Foxboron	jonathon: No, it probably isn't
2021-08-17 00:44:05	Foxboron	zzzz garuda
2021-08-17 00:44:11	jonathon	My first thought, but I thought I'd test it
2021-08-17 00:44:38	jonathon	I know, I know, but users of derivatives tend to find and some report random stuff
2021-08-17 00:44:50	Foxboron	Bringing it to #archlinux isn't productive
2021-08-17 00:45:10	jonathon	...
2021-08-17 00:45:28	Foxboron	(you where expecting this response when you typed that message. I'm just giving it to you :))
2021-08-17 00:45:50	⚡ 	tedster is confused. what's the normal PID max a modern system would have?
2021-08-17 00:46:19	jonathon	Foxboron: i can't tell when you're being serious -.-
2021-08-17 00:46:39	jonathon	Reason I asked was in case there's potential for a bug in systemd/kernel that's e.g. caused by PID overflow
2021-08-17 00:46:44	Foxboron	jonathon: I am 100% serious. You are asking if PIDs would cause unexpected distros reported on a distro that turns all the knobs for all percieved gains for gaming.
2021-08-17 00:47:02	thurstylark	they even say what actually fixed their problem within that thread
2021-08-17 00:47:04	Foxboron	cause unexpected issues on a distro*
2021-08-17 00:47:39	Foxboron	jonathon: that systemd/kernel issue can't be solved in #archlinux
2021-08-17 00:48:08	thurstylark	I like interesting problems as much as the next guy, but there's troubleshooting, then there's making stabs in the dark
2021-08-17 00:48:11	thurstylark	this is the latter
2021-08-17 00:48:29	Foxboron	blindly guessing based on faulty data
2021-08-17 00:48:30	Foxboron	yas
2021-08-17 00:48:48	⚡ 	jonathon gives up
2021-08-17 00:50:01	thurstylark	now if *you* are having similar symptoms, this then becomes the biggest xy ever :P
2021-08-17 00:55:58	tedster	ayy, my synapse homeserver is working again
2021-08-17 00:56:41	matrixlark	one of us, one of us
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2021-08-17 01:32:03	andrew	wait I use btrfs on one of the machines does this affect them?
2021-08-17 01:32:49	kevr	i've never used btrfs at all, but you could verify that by just popping up a vm with the same disk type
2021-08-17 01:32:59	kevr	and trying it.
2021-08-17 01:37:20	kevr	andrew: It could also be that... you have a partial cache.
2021-08-17 01:38:01	kevr	though if you're sharing the hosts default directory, that should really not be the case
2021-08-17 01:38:57	kevr	andrew: there's also --dbpath. Check that out.
2021-08-17 01:42:48	kevr	that's probably what you're missing here.
2021-08-17 01:43:05	kevr	so the other machines, they have the cache, but they only have their _own_ databases which don't have the info that the host machine has.
2021-08-17 01:48:47	Strykar	pavucontrol update is sweeet
2021-08-17 01:54:34	andrew	I gave up I just ended up downloading
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2021-08-17 02:21:06	nova	hello. checkupdates from community/pacman-contrib is returning 2 even though there are updates.
2021-08-17 02:21:46	NetSysFire	do you ignore any packages?
2021-08-17 02:22:18	nova	no. and also pacman -Qqu returns no results
2021-08-17 02:22:27	nova	and that's after a sudo pacman -Sy
2021-08-17 02:23:15	NetSysFire	!sos
2021-08-17 02:23:16	phrik	_Never_ -Sy when installing! https://gist.github.com/vodik/5660494
2021-08-17 02:23:23	NetSysFire	dont -Sy and install stuff
2021-08-17 02:23:40	coruja	so how do you know that there are updates?
2021-08-17 02:23:46	NetSysFire	and checkupdates does not need a -Sy to work, so just dont, it may end up breaking your system
2021-08-17 02:23:50	nova	I only -Syu when install stuff. I only -Sy to update the cache so that -Qu would maybe work
2021-08-17 02:24:34	nova	When I do -Syu it says there are updates (I then select "n" for "no" to continue testing) and checkupdates says there are no updates, and so does -Qu
2021-08-17 02:24:41	nova	it's very weird
2021-08-17 02:26:42	nova	um. nevermind. :) I have no updates. I think I was simultaneously doing a "pacman -Syu blender" .. or something idk. I am big dumb
2021-08-17 02:27:00	thrice	!next
2021-08-17 02:27:00	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2021-08-17 02:28:27	nova	I did pacman -Sy {package} once. I never did it after reinstalling :-)
2021-08-17 02:28:33	primalmotion	well, If I can be next, it seems I can't have 2 bluetooth speaker connected at the same time :)
2021-08-17 02:34:45	nova	I dunno, primprim. I wish I knew. I have only paired one at a time, and I don't see much about it.
2021-08-17 02:38:58	primalmotion	I already gave up
2021-08-17 02:39:01	primalmotion	I hate bluetooth
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2021-08-17 03:06:17	primalmotion	yeah
2021-08-17 03:06:53	ectospasm	Hmmm... seems they should be more compatible than that.
2021-08-17 03:07:26	ectospasm	 But then again both could be on the same chip, and it gets overloaded when you've got too much passing through all the parts.
2021-08-17 03:08:33	primalmotion	yeah that's what I thought. but I had many issues with pipewire a while back and I tried every tricked I found. 
2021-08-17 03:08:53	primalmotion	I removed all of them, but I forgot this one. so maybe it was just making shit worse
2021-08-17 03:09:12	primalmotion	I can speedtest and use reflector without choppy sound now..
2021-08-17 03:10:01	primalmotion	heh.. you may have reverse helped me NetSysFire :)
2021-08-17 03:10:16	primalmotion	so thanks :)
2021-08-17 03:11:02	ectospasm	Problem solved?
2021-08-17 03:12:00	primalmotion	well until next moon, it's better for now for sure
2021-08-17 03:12:19	predicament	why did arch stop maintaining ARM
2021-08-17 03:12:45	Namarrgon	alarm was always a separate project
2021-08-17 03:12:52	predicament	yet manjaro is somehow still maintained with ARM architecture
2021-08-17 03:12:58	predicament	well of course it is
2021-08-17 03:13:06	predicament	thats why im asking about it
2021-08-17 03:13:07	predicament	lol
2021-08-17 03:13:21	Namarrgon	your question is based on wrong assumptions
2021-08-17 03:13:34	Namarrgon	arch never maintained an ARM port
2021-08-17 03:16:34	predicament	i could've sworn they did
2021-08-17 03:16:42	predicament	and that it was discontinued
2021-08-17 03:16:50	predicament	but i guess i'm wrong
2021-08-17 03:16:52	predicament	idk
2021-08-17 03:16:58	predicament	i know there's archlinuxarm
2021-08-17 03:17:04	Namarrgon	you're misremembering
2021-08-17 03:17:25	thurstylark	and if manjaro used to do a thing, that's also not arch
2021-08-17 03:17:33	predicament	im not saying it is
2021-08-17 03:17:35	Namarrgon	i686 used to be a thing but that's about it
2021-08-17 03:17:41	predicament	1686 yeah
2021-08-17 03:19:08	predicament	the most annoying thing is hearing that when you can actually dress down manjaro (it's not worth bothering with unless you have nowhere to backup your shit)
2021-08-17 03:19:20	ectospasm	Go to Debian if you want support for every architecture under the sun.
2021-08-17 03:19:24	predicament	lmao
2021-08-17 03:19:37	predicament	okay i didn't ask about every single architecture
2021-08-17 03:19:43	predicament	lets not be hyperbolic
2021-08-17 03:19:45	thrice	do you need arm?
2021-08-17 03:19:52	primalmotion	every single architecture, but one deprecated libc :)
2021-08-17 03:20:08	predicament	a box of mine has arm yes
2021-08-17 03:20:13	predicament	literally its a box lol
2021-08-17 03:20:15	predicament	:P
2021-08-17 03:21:03	predicament	do i need arm for arch? i have to say technically no i do not if i have it for manjaro or something similar to it.
2021-08-17 03:21:27	predicament	arch for arm*  and i mean.. i would prefer it
2021-08-17 03:21:50	grawlinson	you may get your dream if arm becomes the dominant architecture
2021-08-17 03:22:04	Namarrgon	then you're in luck because there's ALARM
2021-08-17 03:22:04	grawlinson	iirc, arch used to be exclusively i686, then x86_64 supplanted it
2021-08-17 03:22:29	predicament	idk
2021-08-17 03:22:40	predicament	i dont think i know about that
2021-08-17 03:22:49	predicament	yet i used it on x86 in 2005
2021-08-17 03:22:55	predicament	arch 0.7
2021-08-17 03:23:19	predicament	i then stopped using linux (i didnt know what the fuck i was doing at ALL)
2021-08-17 03:24:18	predicament	one year ago, i get a laptop that is a gaming laptop for somewhat cheap, at least during a pandemic.. and it wouldnt boot with anything other than arch-based linux or manjaro linux
2021-08-17 03:24:43	predicament	i think manjaro was the first to boot, then arch, i didnt use manjaro very long before i switched.. but learning manjaro helped me quite a bit
2021-08-17 03:25:15	predicament	this has nothing to do with its support for i686 vs x86_64
2021-08-17 03:25:34	predicament	i just started rambling.
2021-08-17 03:25:56	predicament	but i dont know when arch officially started as a distro.  i never really knew the history of it
2021-08-17 03:26:23	Namarrgon	!w arch linux
2021-08-17 03:26:25	phrik	Namarrgon: Arch Linux - Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_Linux>
2021-08-17 03:26:44	ectospasm	"ARM" is such a broad category, though.  Every company that uses ARM is free to tweak the design a bit, not sure if that extends to the instruction set.
2021-08-17 03:27:05	predicament	very good point
2021-08-17 03:33:43	eletrotupi	heya! 
2021-08-17 03:33:46	predicament	hi.
2021-08-17 03:33:51	ectospasm	!welcome
2021-08-17 03:33:51	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2021-08-17 03:33:57	eletrotupi	lol
2021-08-17 03:34:00	predicament	!welcome
2021-08-17 03:34:00	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2021-08-17 03:34:09	predicament	it's kinda true right
2021-08-17 03:34:15	predicament	who gets on libera-chat for fun
2021-08-17 03:34:25	predicament	let alone joining this channel
2021-08-17 03:34:26	ectospasm	I do, but my wife tells me I'm weird.
2021-08-17 03:34:31	eletrotupi	I was wondering if there's a way to use a cryptopen flag for a full disk encryption
2021-08-17 03:34:33	eletrotupi	I do as well
2021-08-17 03:34:50	predicament	interesting
2021-08-17 03:35:01	eletrotupi	Specifically, I want to try the --perf-no_write_workqueue flag 
2021-08-17 03:35:22	⚡ 	predicament jots down notes
2021-08-17 03:35:29	⚡ 	predicament looks around for others
2021-08-17 03:35:32	ectospasm	I'm not familiar with that option.
2021-08-17 03:35:44	predicament	neither am i
2021-08-17 03:36:01	predicament	so im taking notes the second someone says something that can be verified
2021-08-17 03:36:48	eletrotupi	well, any of you know how to pass flags to dm-crypt, maybe writing to /boot/entries/arch.conf?
2021-08-17 03:37:03	eletrotupi	I honestly didn't find anything related to customize dm-crypt flags
2021-08-17 03:37:19	eletrotupi	It's almost like, you should get right for the first time 
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2021-08-17 04:46:48	SysGhost	As Audacity now turned official spyware, I'll be jumping over to Tenacity (A fork that sprung up for the reason). Many with me are doing the same. Isn't it time for Arch to get Tenacity in the official repos as well?
2021-08-17 04:47:35	ishitatsuyuki	no, audacity is not turning into spyware and the UX legend Tantacrul has handled this appropriately to a large extent
2021-08-17 04:47:51	mefistofeles	yes, I agree with ishitatsuyuki 
2021-08-17 04:49:16	ishitatsuyuki	if you haven't read the statement, read it https://github.com/audacity/audacity/discussions/1353
2021-08-17 04:50:00	ishitatsuyuki	given the content of this statement calling them "spyware" is blatantly wrong, even though the initial actions by Muse Group was nothing but terrible
2021-08-17 04:51:54	SysGhost	They might be rephrasing a few things, but the telemetry stuff is still in there. And the fact it's help up the way it is with Muse Group, which has some questionable actions under their belt.
2021-08-17 04:52:10	mefistofeles	SysGhost: it's off by default, also
2021-08-17 04:52:38	SysGhost	besides. Tenacity is a good fork many are jumping over too, so having it in the repos could be useful for a lot of users
2021-08-17 04:53:40	SysGhost	I'm not saying Audacity shopuld be removed. Just have the alternative in there too.
2021-08-17 04:54:01	ishitatsuyuki	at this point you're just introducing plain FUD, it should be stopped instead of introducing division in the community
2021-08-17 04:54:14	mefistofeles	yeah
2021-08-17 04:54:25	thrice	plasma has spyware too, remove it!
2021-08-17 04:54:29	ishitatsuyuki	Arch builds from source btw ™
2021-08-17 04:54:55	SysGhost	thrice: I never said anything about removing, Again: Having alternatives available is a good thing.
2021-08-17 04:55:09	mefistofeles	SysGhost: your premise is completely wrong and spreads misinformation
2021-08-17 04:55:22	thrice	it's also a confusing thing.  This is a perfect AUR problem, imo
2021-08-17 04:55:26	SysGhost	perhaps.
2021-08-17 04:55:29	mefistofeles	thrice: yes
2021-08-17 04:55:34	SysGhost	let me rephrase it then
2021-08-17 04:55:56	ishitatsuyuki	no please reread the statement
2021-08-17 04:56:02	SysGhost	 Isn't it time for Arch to get Tenacity in the official repos as well. Have more alternatives as more users are jumping over?
2021-08-17 04:56:22	mefistofeles	probably not
2021-08-17 04:56:24	mefistofeles	!next
2021-08-17 04:56:24	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2021-08-17 04:56:46	ishitatsuyuki	1. the alternative is not better in any way and 2. more users are not jumping
2021-08-17 04:57:11	ishitatsuyuki	but perhaps I need to deescalate this bikeshed instead of arguing with you
2021-08-17 04:57:35	SysGhost	okay.. I am. lots of people I have around here in musical and audio production, who are using arch, are jumping. So saying "nobody is jumping" isn't entirely true
2021-08-17 04:58:04	mefistofeles	SysGhost: nobody is saying that, did you even read what they said?
2021-08-17 04:58:52	SysGhost	We were to leave that out aren't we' I'm only speaking about tenacity, as I said earlier that I rephrased it.
2021-08-17 04:59:28	SysGhost	I did word it wrong as it hurt saome people. I take that back.
2021-08-17 05:00:11	ishitatsuyuki	OK, let's stop. SysGhost, you can continue this if you have additional arguments, but so far it seems the crowd does not agree with your arguments that Audacity is a spyware and an alternative is needed or encouraged. So please don't repeat that.
2021-08-17 05:02:48	Dan39	damn, well i thought tenacity was going to be the new audacity
2021-08-17 05:02:51	Dan39	honest
2021-08-17 05:03:02	thrice	these things work themselves out.  If audacity turns bad, it's an easy swap in the repos.  Until then, AUR and maybe community if someone agrees with your stance and is willing to maintain it
2021-08-17 05:04:17	Dan39	Muse owns audacity now, not sure why we would want to stick with the corporate one instead of the community one, but whatever
2021-08-17 05:05:26	thrice	corporate support isn't always bad
2021-08-17 05:05:35	Dan39	true
2021-08-17 05:06:00	thrice	people paid full time to work on stuff, vs. people in their spare time?  It can be very beneficial
2021-08-17 05:06:10	Dan39	but that was still my feeling from all the media frenzy over it
2021-08-17 05:07:34	Dan39	g2g, c ya, have fun. btw earlier today i was honestly looking for tenacity in repos. but i'm just a lowely user :P
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2021-08-17 05:24:45	kevr	they have their DNS figured out already.
2021-08-17 05:24:57	nij-	kevr: no, I'm not confusing that with my ip addr.
2021-08-17 05:25:10	SysGhost	nij-: sending mails have nothing to do with your ip's or dns's. It's a thing you need to reconsider if you host your own email server though.
2021-08-17 05:25:10	nij-	I mean that I'm trying to send email automatically for another issue
2021-08-17 05:26:28	kevr	Regardless. You are sending mail. You are attempting to use gmail.com address, which hosts their own smtp server. That being the case, I would assume you personally are not running an MTA server on your home computer.
2021-08-17 05:26:54	nij-	i see
2021-08-17 05:27:39	SysGhost	just like any email client, sendmail needs details to some email server. SMTP is a common way to do it. So is POP3 although quite aged.
2021-08-17 05:27:55	sheep	who still uses pop3?
2021-08-17 05:28:11	SysGhost	many enterprises.. .funny enough =)
2021-08-17 05:28:36	nij-	changes do cose =)
2021-08-17 05:28:59	SysGhost	ye olde beards sits there in the "it works, why change?" angry pose. ;)
2021-08-17 05:29:07	nij-	Why would some ddns provider like no-ip offer free service? What do they make for a living then?
2021-08-17 05:29:35	SysGhost	getting their service known.
2021-08-17 05:29:52	nij-	"I just never find myself having to use emacs.."
2021-08-17 05:29:54	nij-	etc etc
2021-08-17 05:30:12	nij-	Ok.. I think I can just use a free ddns ..
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2021-08-17 06:01:36	low-key	http://0x0.st/-yNV.png
2021-08-17 06:01:52	low-key	so this is how a gtk theme i'm using is supposed to look like by default, with respect to dialog boxes
2021-08-17 06:02:04	low-key	https://ttm.sh/t41.png
2021-08-17 06:02:10	low-key	but for some reason, this is what i get
2021-08-17 06:02:26	low-key	i don't even have any suspicious settings in my gtk-3.0/settings.ini 
2021-08-17 06:02:41	low-key	any pointers on where i should be looking for what might be causing this issue?
2021-08-17 06:13:15	nova	where do the cool kidz get nice, dark abstract/nature wallpapers
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2021-08-17 06:49:10	virtu	Hi... how can I install thunderbird 91 on Arch?
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2021-08-17 11:53:43	nova	low-key, your answer is correct. wallhaven is the only good one I have found thus far. tx
2021-08-17 11:53:56	low-key	it is great for desktop stuff
2021-08-17 11:53:58	MrElendig	if there is no screen config in there, make one that sets the correct mode
2021-08-17 11:54:00	low-key	not so much for mobile
2021-08-17 11:54:18	low-key	glad you are liking it :)
2021-08-17 11:54:23	MrElendig	wh has a half-decent selection of portrait wallpapers too
2021-08-17 11:56:22	nova	I scrolled through oodles of stuff and I found ten or so - three of which I would want to modify
2021-08-17 11:57:04	MrElendig	remember to flag anythign that is a screenshot
2021-08-17 11:57:18	MrElendig	else the plague will spread
2021-08-17 11:57:33	kieto	MrElendig: it's been persistent at reboot
2021-08-17 11:57:55	Namarrgon	kieto: have you tried not using the intel driver?
2021-08-17 11:58:14	MrElendig	xrandr is not persistent, it was probably something else at runtime changing the res
2021-08-17 11:58:21	MrElendig	or some edid hickup
2021-08-17 11:58:22	kieto	Namarrgon: and use what instead?
2021-08-17 11:58:31	Namarrgon	the built-in modesetting driver
2021-08-17 11:58:34	kieto	MrElendig: weird then
2021-08-17 12:01:17	kieto	anyway, thanks so much for your help :D
2021-08-17 12:02:45	ice99	!paste
2021-08-17 12:02:45	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-17 12:11:51	tatsumaru	mpan well I am having trouble with my ISP and the tech guy told me to let it run for 24h and send a report so they can figure out what's wrong, I've no idea if that's reasonable or not
2021-08-17 12:13:55	nova	sorry for being OT, but I am just a sucker for backgrounds that are dark, abstract, minimal, and nature related. case in point https://i.imgur.com/eRd6Isd.jpeg .. hard time finding them, though
2021-08-17 12:14:26	tatsumaru	i think it's boring
2021-08-17 12:15:39	mpan	tatsumaru: unreasonable, that I may tell you. With 86k samples over 24h and only interminnent failures there is no way to tell if one sees 10 minutes of complete breakdown or normal noise in data. Just telling you in case they will answer “I see no problem”.
2021-08-17 12:15:43	low-key	nova: do share if you have an album
2021-08-17 12:16:06	low-key	because that's totally my vibe too
2021-08-17 12:16:19	nova	I like it with picom --experimental-backgrounds and blur: { method = "dual_kawase"; strength: 4; } so that it blurs through and looks nice without being too distracting. only really notice it when you sit back and take a sip of coffee
2021-08-17 12:16:24	tatsumaru	mpan so what's the largest period that's reasonable IYO?
2021-08-17 12:16:39	mpan	tatsumaru: but `mtr -r -c 86400 TARGET` is what you want to give them what they asked.
2021-08-17 12:17:19	mpan	tatsumaru: about a half of hour to get average network performance. Any period that covers the breakage if it’s about showing the breakage happens.
2021-08-17 12:17:41	nova	low-key, I don't D: heh
2021-08-17 12:17:57	tatsumaru	mpan if I am having the problem already is it going to capture it or do I have to have it running as the problem occurs
2021-08-17 12:18:19	mpan	tatsumaru: I would say: as the problem occurs.
2021-08-17 12:18:44	tatsumaru	mpan hmm, the problem is I have no clue when and why it happens
2021-08-17 12:19:11	mpan	Also if the problem occurs AND the ICMP seems perfect, try --tcp or --udp. Some ISPs give priority to ICMP ping, so it seems as everything is pitch perfect even if you effectively have no connectivity.
2021-08-17 12:19:24	tatsumaru	it's just that a few times a day seemingly randomly my speed falls dramatically and speedtest shows that my speed is 1/8th of what it should be
2021-08-17 12:19:37	mpan	tatsumaru: then at this period run mtr.
2021-08-17 12:20:07	tatsumaru	should I be looking for packet loss mainly
2021-08-17 12:20:08	mpan	Anyway, if the ISP wants a 24h report from mtr, give it to them.
2021-08-17 12:20:22	mpan	tatsumaru: hard to tell, what is the cause.
2021-08-17 12:21:02	low-key	how can one center text in wofi?
2021-08-17 12:21:54	low-key	no matter what class i put text-align: center; in, the text remains left aligned
2021-08-17 12:22:05	tatsumaru	mpan, thanks for your help
2021-08-17 12:23:58	low-key	or does gtk not have a text-align property at all?
2021-08-17 12:26:10	MrElendig	gtk does, what wofi does is a different matter
2021-08-17 12:26:39	low-key	what's the gtk property? 
2021-08-17 12:26:41	low-key	https://developer-old.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/chap-css-properties.html
2021-08-17 12:26:42	phrik	Title: GTK+ CSS Properties: GTK+ 3 Reference Manual (at developer-old.gnome.org)
2021-08-17 12:26:48	low-key	there was no mention of text-align here
2021-08-17 12:29:46	mpan	Whether it is be supported or not, it would mean the alignment of the text within a component, not the position of the whole component. So unless the component fills in the entire available horizontal space, even in theory text-align wouldn’t be what you want. Just saying, so you are not going the wrong way.
2021-08-17 12:30:16	MrElendig	it depends on what widget is used
2021-08-17 12:31:04	low-key	https://ttm.sh/tUn.png
2021-08-17 12:31:32	mpan	Since Gtk3 seems to be supporting `margin`: is setting it to `margin: 0 auto` doing anything?
2021-08-17 12:31:38	low-key	trying to center align the text in the input and entry widgets
2021-08-17 12:31:53	mpan	This is what one would do in CSS in general.
2021-08-17 12:32:04	low-key	but wouldn't that center the widget itself?
2021-08-17 12:32:09	mpan	Yes
2021-08-17 12:32:11	low-key	because they are where i want them to be
2021-08-17 12:32:18	low-key	i am trying to align the text within the widgets
2021-08-17 12:32:41	mpan	Are you sure the widget displaying the text and the widget displaying the purple background are the same?
2021-08-17 12:32:45	MrElendig	for most widgets you have to set the alignment on the widget itself, not trough css
2021-08-17 12:32:52	MrElendig	at least in gtk3
2021-08-17 12:33:07	mpan	I mean… I don’t know. Just giving a suggestion of what might work.
2021-08-17 12:33:13	low-key	there is a text widget
2021-08-17 12:33:37	low-key	MrElendig: but would that mean modifying the source code because that's not an option exposed in the config file
2021-08-17 12:33:56	MrElendig	doesn't help that searching the new gtk docs sucks :/
2021-08-17 12:34:00	low-key	text-align doesn't work with the text widget either
2021-08-17 12:35:35	low-key	and there's another doubt i have, is it normal for swappy to not show the window borders as defined in the window manager?
2021-08-17 12:35:44	low-key	no other window behaves in this manner
2021-08-17 12:36:33	MrElendig	try content_halign in the wofi config instead?
2021-08-17 12:37:03	low-key	oh my, completely missed that
2021-08-17 12:37:10	low-key	i was so sure it would have to be set in the stylsheet
2021-08-17 12:37:13	low-key	lemme go try that
2021-08-17 12:37:57	low-key	that did it! thank you so, so much! :D
2021-08-17 13:04:02	ice9	i got i7 11th gen cpu and nvidia gpu, but i'm still unable to edit 4K videos; any idea?
2021-08-17 13:05:07	Namarrgon	you provided too many details, please tone it down
2021-08-17 13:06:33	powerman1	Alright boys what the hell
2021-08-17 13:06:54	powerman1	https://archlinux.org/download says that the ISO can be burned to a CD
2021-08-17 13:06:55	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Downloads (at archlinux.org)
2021-08-17 13:07:01	powerman1	Yes, it's 831MB
2021-08-17 13:07:10	low-key	Arem
2021-08-17 13:07:21	low-key	*Aren't CDs 700 MB?
2021-08-17 13:07:26	powerman1	Exactly
2021-08-17 13:07:27	Namarrgon	you can burn it to a dvd
2021-08-17 13:07:37	powerman1	smh
2021-08-17 13:07:39	Namarrgon	or get one of those oversized cds
2021-08-17 13:07:45	powerman1	Then why does the page lie
2021-08-17 13:07:53	Namarrgon	the text is old
2021-08-17 13:08:00	Namarrgon	it's just not been updated
2021-08-17 13:08:09	powerman1	I know
2021-08-17 13:08:21	Donatzsky	low-key: Some CDs are 900MB, if I remember correctly
2021-08-17 13:09:05	powerman1	A U G H K
2021-08-17 13:09:13	powerman1	My argument is invalid, I have been defeated
2021-08-17 13:09:30	nova	low-key, youz not in archlinux-offtopic but I thought these were cute so I spent an hour in gimp fitting a darker background for it https://imgur.com/a/qPSuLqO
2021-08-17 13:09:31	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2021-08-17 13:10:01	powerman1	Wait a second
2021-08-17 13:10:07	powerman2206	better
2021-08-17 13:10:26	low-key	nova: thank you so much :')
2021-08-17 13:10:46	low-key	looks beautiful
2021-08-17 13:23:25	MrElendig	better off grabbing yourself a cheap usb stick
2021-08-17 13:28:31	powerman2206	MrElendig: where is the Linuxing in that, though
2021-08-17 13:28:52	MrElendig	does not compute
2021-08-17 13:29:08	MrElendig	linux has nothing to do with creating uneeded plastic waste
2021-08-17 13:29:30	powerman2206	But is cool
2021-08-17 13:29:36	MrElendig	no
2021-08-17 13:30:01	MrElendig	core memory is cool, cds are not
2021-08-17 13:30:07	powerman2206	BRRRRRR- clickclickclick- TAKATAKA ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, click click
2021-08-17 13:30:11	MrElendig	or even better, rope memory
2021-08-17 13:30:18	MrElendig	and punch cards
2021-08-17 13:31:52	rcf	MrElendig: you just wait a few decades, they'll be cool again 
2021-08-17 13:33:09	rcf	In any case if the complaint is about the size of the ISOs, yes, it is dumb, but DVD-Rs are not exactly unobtainium if you *must* use optical media. 
2021-08-17 13:34:37	rcf	I'm really not aware of a system that would be able to run Arch but is somehow limited to CD-R only. 
2021-08-17 13:35:54	rcf	MrElendig: also they don't necessarily create plastic waste I've been using the same DVD-RW for every optical install for years now. 
2021-08-17 13:37:13	mpan	rcf: until discovering a hidden option in my BIOS, I was sure mine is limited to optical media only.
2021-08-17 13:37:29	rcf	mpan: oh I have systems that need optical media. 
2021-08-17 13:37:50	rcf	But for those purposes my trust DVD-RW disc that somehow still works is quite adequate. 
2021-08-17 13:37:50	mpan	Oh, wait. I read that wrong. It’s about the size. nvm
2021-08-17 13:37:56	rcf	Arch still fits on those!
2021-08-17 14:00:09	zoug	hello, I have a problem with the cherrytree package, it says the signature of "Brett Cornwall <brett@i--b.com>" is not trusted. Anyone has this problem? Thanks
2021-08-17 14:01:13	Namarrgon	update the archlinux-keyring package first, then "-Su cherrytree" 
2021-08-17 14:03:08	zoug	Namarrgon that worked perfectly, thanks a lot
2021-08-17 14:06:23	morganamilo	can't wait for it to be my name that break's every one's pacman :P 
2021-08-17 14:08:45	Foxboron	morganamilo: :)
2021-08-17 14:13:19	morganamilo	maybe when they get around to it in like 2 years
2021-08-17 14:16:13	Dan39	morganamilo: what does that mean?
2021-08-17 14:17:52	morganamilo	waiting for my key to be signed and added to the keyring
2021-08-17 14:19:27	Foxboron	morganamilo: :)
2021-08-17 14:19:40	Dan39	oh
2021-08-17 14:22:17	grazzolini	morganamilo: just wait a few days after the keyring land
2021-08-17 14:22:55	morganamilo	what's a couple days more than 2 years :P
2021-08-17 14:23:53	grazzolini	morganamilo: just trying to avoid people having to pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring =D
2021-08-17 14:44:52	nij-	Hi, has anyone tried to connect linux to the internet via iphone hotspot? According to (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/IPhone_tethering), I do not need additional configuration. However, though I've connected to iphone, it doesn't lead me to the internet. In particular, `ping archlinux.org` timed out.
2021-08-17 14:54:33	grazzolini	nij-: afaik, it's as simple as running dhcpcd on the interface.
2021-08-17 14:56:07	nij-	I think the connection between my laptop and iphone is fine. But it doesn't bring me to the internet.
2021-08-17 14:58:27	Namarrgon	what did you do to set up the connection?
2021-08-17 15:00:11	nij-	On iphone, I turn on the hotspot with a password. On my linux laptop, I use `nmtui` to get connected to the hotspot via wifi.
2021-08-17 15:00:34	nij-	`nmtui` prompted me to input the password, I did, and I can see they are connected on both sides.
2021-08-17 15:00:44	grazzolini	nij-: there are several ways to do the hotspot. one is to create a wireless network that you connect to. you can connect over bluetooth, you can also connect over usb.
2021-08-17 15:00:47	nij-	Now i `ping archlinux.org` from my laptop, but it hangs a bit and timed out.
2021-08-17 15:01:19	nij-	I've also tried usb. For that, i followed this page again (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/IPhone_tethering) and installed the required package.
2021-08-17 15:01:55	nij-	Again, I use nmtui and it shows that it's connected to the USB Ethernet. I cut off my home wifi just to test if it's working. Pinged archlinux.org.. but same.
2021-08-17 15:03:45	nij-	If you'd tell me how I can further debug, that'd be helpful. Thanks :)
2021-08-17 15:04:27	nij-	Haven't tried bluetooth though.. should I?
2021-08-17 15:06:56	grazzolini	nij-: no, unless you have no other options. so, when you plug the iphone via usb, a new interface pops up right?
2021-08-17 15:07:47	nij-	Yes, in nmtui it shows that there's a new connection.
2021-08-17 15:17:10	grazzolini	nij-: ok, and you ran dhcpcd (or whatever dhcp client) on it and got an ip address, right?
2021-08-17 15:17:34	nij-	nmtui just let me click on it to connect
2021-08-17 15:17:43	nij-	i can look into how dhcpcd works.. lemme see
2021-08-17 15:19:45	grazzolini	nij-: forget network manager for a minute, let's troubleshoot this manually
2021-08-17 15:20:20	nij-	Hmm sounds fun. But if I start using dhcpcd, I will lose connection.
2021-08-17 15:20:40	nij-	You recommend dhcpcd more than NM, in that the former lets you deal with the connection with more details?
2021-08-17 15:20:40	grazzolini	nij-: what do you mean?
2021-08-17 15:20:57	grazzolini	no, I'm not recommending anything over anything else, just trying to troubleshoot
2021-08-17 15:20:58	earnestly	Heh, curl gitlab master.zip, get   <title>Checking your Browser - GitLab</title>
2021-08-17 15:21:18	nij-	Sure, what should I do to trouble shoot?
2021-08-17 15:22:32	grazzolini	nij-: I told you already
2021-08-17 15:23:32	nij-	Apparently I don't understand..
2021-08-17 15:24:51	grazzolini	nij-: ok, let's try a different approach. enable the usb connection sharing on your iphone and plug it into your computer. run 'ip link' and past the output.
2021-08-17 15:26:34	nij-	https://bpa.st/HE2A
2021-08-17 15:26:35	phrik	Title: View paste HE2A (at bpa.st)
2021-08-17 15:28:38	MacGyver	Uncontroversial hypothesis: It's DNS.
2021-08-17 15:29:13	MacGyver	They pinged archlinux.org, *it hangs for a bit*, then times out.
2021-08-17 15:30:45	adikwok	help user can not login tty -- permission denied 
2021-08-17 15:31:02	nij-	MacGyver:?
2021-08-17 15:31:22	MacGyver	nij-: What happens if you ping, say, 8.8.8.8
2021-08-17 15:31:32	Namarrgon	adikwok: "faillock --user USERTHATCAN'TLOGIN"
2021-08-17 15:33:01	Hello72	well it depends what exactly does "hangs a bit" mean
2021-08-17 15:33:29	adikwok	faillock --user USERTHATCAN'TLOGIN -- nothing happened only username when blank type blank valid
2021-08-17 15:33:31	nij-	$ ping 8.8.8.8
2021-08-17 15:33:31	nij-	PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) 56(84) bytes of data. ## <= and it hangs here
2021-08-17 15:33:52	grazzolini	nij-: ok, run dhcpcd enp0s29u1u2c4i2
2021-08-17 15:33:59	grazzolini	and then run 'ip address'
2021-08-17 15:34:54	nij-	sudo dhcpcd enp..? It says permission deny without sudo.
2021-08-17 15:35:47	adikwok	i did upgrade from linux 5.08 -> linux 12 
2021-08-17 15:36:18	nij-	ok I sudo it anyway.. should I paste the output of `ip a`? It seems to contain my public address :-O
2021-08-17 15:36:20	adikwok	suddenly user can't login .. i can not use my /home and firefox since i can not login
2021-08-17 15:36:29	grazzolini	nij-: it has a private address
2021-08-17 15:37:17	nij-	grazzolini: I used multiple websites to check my public addrress, and they match what I had from `ip a`..
2021-08-17 15:40:27	nij-	oh am i back?
2021-08-17 15:40:45	nij-	After running `sudo dhcpcd enp..` I think I got cut off.
2021-08-17 15:40:51	nij-	,ping
2021-08-17 15:40:51	EMIYA_	pony
2021-08-17 15:40:56	nij-	Ok good.
2021-08-17 15:41:26	nij-	In case it didn't go through ====> nij-    > grazzolini: I used multiple websites to check my public addrress, and they match what I had from `ip a`..
2021-08-17 16:18:51	nij-	Hmm.. I'm setting up my home server, and something is concerning. I haven't set up port forwarding, but apparently I can ssh into the server already via its public address..
2021-08-17 16:19:05	nij-	(the client is in the same LAN)
2021-08-17 16:19:13	nij-	What could be going wrong?!?!
2021-08-17 16:21:06	Scimmia	what does "its public address" mean?
2021-08-17 16:25:41	nij-	The address that I get from the output of `ip -6 addr show scope global`
2021-08-17 16:30:44	grazzolini	nij-: that's how ipv6 works
2021-08-17 16:30:45	Scimmia	so it's the address of the local box. I would sure hope you could connect to it
2021-08-17 16:31:21	grazzolini	nij-: hence why I have ipv6 disabled on most networks, or I use ULA addressing and ipv6 NAT on them.
2021-08-17 16:33:13	⚡ 	nij- gets lost again. Scimmia, I compared the ip with that obtained from https://whatismyipaddress.com/ . THey do match.
2021-08-17 16:33:15	phrik	Title: What Is My IP Address - See Your Public Address - IPv4 & IPv6 (at whatismyipaddress.com)
2021-08-17 16:33:31	nij-	Do you mean what I got is not my true public address, that could be used to connect from the internet?
2021-08-17 16:34:45	niki	nij-: No with IPv6 the addresses you have on your LAN are usually routable on the internet, so they all have "public addresses"
2021-08-17 16:35:53	nij-	Hmm. Then why couldn't I ssh into my home server from my Department server?
2021-08-17 16:36:03	niki	Well maybe you have a firewall
2021-08-17 16:36:52	nij-	$ ssh nij@beautiful.address.mine -p 12345
2021-08-17 16:36:52	nij-	ssh: connect to host beautiful.address.mine port 12345: Cannot assign requested address
2021-08-17 16:43:40	Hello72	sounds like your ssh config is bad
2021-08-17 16:44:16	grazzolini	nij-: just because you have a global ipv6 address, it doesn't mean you can reach it from outside. having said that, a lot of routers do allow direct ipv6 connections from the outside by default, hence why I completely disable it.
2021-08-17 16:47:58	grawity	nij-: are you configuring ssh to bind to some specific local address?
2021-08-17 16:48:36	grawity	grazzolini: iptables lol
2021-08-17 16:49:52	grazzolini	grawity: oh, I use it too. however, my isp router doesn't have a firewall, so, even though I'm perfectly able to fend myself, I would leave all the other devices on my house exposed. hence why I disabled it completely.
2021-08-17 16:50:13	nij-	grawity: On my server machine `/etc/ssh/sshd_conf` has `Port 12345`.
2021-08-17 16:50:19	grazzolini	grawity: I thought it wasn't a good idea to have my printer accessible from the internet =D
2021-08-17 16:50:40	grawity	nij-: that's "not what I asked" squared
2021-08-17 16:50:59	nij-	yes.. I don't understand what you ask so I'm trying to describe what I have done.
2021-08-17 16:51:22	grawity	I'm asking about the client, and I'm asking about the BindAddress option
2021-08-17 16:51:42	grazzolini	nij-: check either /etc/ssh/ssh_config or ~/.ssh/config
2021-08-17 16:51:54	grazzolini	you shouldn't be binding the local client to a port anyway
2021-08-17 16:51:55	nij-	on server or client?
2021-08-17 16:51:58	grawity	ssh -G nij@addr | grep -i bind
2021-08-17 16:52:04	grazzolini	nij-: client
2021-08-17 16:53:06	nij-	grawity: streamlocalbindunlink no ;; streamlocalbindmask 0177
2021-08-17 16:53:47	grawity	...ugh, ssh -G literally forgets to print the option I wanted to see
2021-08-17 16:53:55	Hello72	lol
2021-08-17 16:54:02	Hello72	how about you just post .ssh/config
2021-08-17 16:54:22	Hello72	and /etc/ssh/ssh_config if you've modified it
2021-08-17 16:54:24	⚡ 	niki looks at EMIYA_ 
2021-08-17 16:54:30	nij-	There's no ~/.ssh/config
2021-08-17 16:54:35	low-key	can't gimp just use the gtk theme? :(
2021-08-17 16:55:46	baltazar	low-key: pretty sure it does exactly that if you select the "System" theme
2021-08-17 16:56:02	low-key	That's the first thing I did and it picked something ancient
2021-08-17 16:56:31	grawity	is your current theme gtk2-compatible, then?
2021-08-17 16:56:52	baltazar	low-key: it's gtk2 I think, so make sure your theme works with that as well, not just gtk3
2021-08-17 16:57:04	low-key	Wait, gimp is gtk2?
2021-08-17 16:57:09	grawity	yes
2021-08-17 16:57:17	low-key	isn't gimp where gtk even gets its name from?
2021-08-17 16:57:19	low-key	wow
2021-08-17 16:57:20	grawity	not for long, now, but currently it is gtk2
2021-08-17 16:57:24	low-key	i figured it would be 3
2021-08-17 16:57:34	low-key	at the very least
2021-08-17 16:58:27	grawity	yeah it's kinda where gtk comes from, but that doesn't mean it gives many fucks about gtk development 20-30 years later
2021-08-17 16:58:49	low-key	ah, so they're not tied today?
2021-08-17 16:58:50	nij-	My /etc/ssh/sshd_conf on client side: http://ix.io/3wgz
2021-08-17 16:59:35	niki	nij-: That's not what you were asked about
2021-08-17 16:59:57	grawity	they haven't been tied for a long time
2021-08-17 17:00:03	ikout	Hi, I am trying to run a command at shutdown using a sytemd service code at https://textbin.net/n6byoyyrgi, but the code is never run, could anyone tell what is wrong with the service?
2021-08-17 17:00:30	Namarrgon	"Ad Block Detected"
2021-08-17 17:00:35	niki	ikout: are you sure it should be Unit] and not [Unit]
2021-08-17 17:00:43	nij-	niki: ==> Hello72 > and /etc/ssh/ssh_config if you've modified it
2021-08-17 17:01:03	Hello72	Namarrgon: https://textbin.net/raw/n6byoyyrgi
2021-08-17 17:01:03	low-key	my bad then
2021-08-17 17:01:04	ikout	niki: sorry, error in pasting its [Unit]
2021-08-17 17:01:10	grawity	anyway, enough of the ssh configs
2021-08-17 17:01:35	Hello72	also, just like pastebin.com, the sidebar has a prominent advertisement for child porn
2021-08-17 17:01:40	Namarrgon	ikout: ExecStart doesn't start a shell for you, so shell features like redirection don't work
2021-08-17 17:01:49	Hello72	probably fake but still
2021-08-17 17:02:07	nij-	grawity: any more info I can provide?
2021-08-17 17:02:22	grawity	mainly `ssh -v -v nij@addr`, as well as `strace -e connect,bind ssh nij@addr`
2021-08-17 17:02:25	Hello72	nij-: as it says many times in the file, this is sshd_config
2021-08-17 17:02:58	nij-	Oh............ Sorry
2021-08-17 17:02:59	nova	Has anyone here been concerned about batter life on a laptop (nvidia cpu, amd (ryzen 5)) gpu? I only run bspwm/i3/dwm/xmonad, sxhkd, polybar, alacritty, and maybe firefox, and the battery seems to dissipate rather quickly
2021-08-17 17:03:10	nova	s/ gpu//
2021-08-17 17:03:11	ikout	Namarrgon: If i put the same line in other script - which has redirection, still it does not run. Hallo72: Sorry
2021-08-17 17:04:25	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-17 17:05:00	ℹ 	Eres conocido ahora como teraflops
2021-08-17 17:05:48	nova	I will need it to last longer than it does, and I was wondering if there is a way to extend the life?
2021-08-17 17:05:48	grawity	figure out what *consumes* the battery life first
2021-08-17 17:05:48	grawity	like, for example, does powertop show anything odd? what's your CPU usage like? is polybar one of those statusbars that run a whole ton of scripts every 1 sec to update itself?
2021-08-17 17:05:48	nova	grawity, Is it you?! Have *you* been eating all of my battery life?
2021-08-17 17:06:01	nij-	Here it comes - /etc/ssh/ssh_config ## http://ix.io/3wgK
2021-08-17 17:06:06	Namarrgon	ikout: what other script? what is this hook supposed to do?
2021-08-17 17:06:06	Namarrgon	s/hook/service/
2021-08-17 17:06:11	nova	I do like my fancy polybar.
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2021-08-17 17:07:31	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1297 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1297 normals)
2021-08-17 17:07:12	thrice	config files are for suckers
2021-08-17 17:07:31	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-17 17:07:31	nij-	grawity: https://bpa.st/7R5Q
2021-08-17 17:07:33	phrik	Title: View paste 7R5Q (at bpa.st)
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2021-08-17 17:10:08	grawity	that bind() call looks unrelated, yet suspicious
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2021-08-17 17:10:23	niki	Is 3001:: even allocated
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2021-08-17 17:10:32	ikout	There is one systemd unit at this page https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Firefox/Profile_on_RAM to sync firefox profile on ram with disc, i got 'sync' running periodically but not able to do on shutdown. so the actual script Im running is firefox-sync. I gave above linked service to present the problem simplified here
2021-08-17 17:10:34	phrik	Title: Firefox/Profile on RAM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-17 17:11:12	MacGyver	grazzolini: I got my ISP to emergency roll-out a config change forcing IPv6 disabled on a certain router model (mine), because of precisely that.
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2021-08-17 17:11:37	MacGyver	grazzolini: Took a few months but they've now put a default-deny firewall in.
2021-08-17 17:11:41	nij-	grawity: my client machine is a server in my Department. The IT configured it.
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2021-08-17 17:11:53	niki	MacGyver: wtf are these ISPs doing
2021-08-17 17:12:01	grawity	does your client machine actually have IPv6 access
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2021-08-17 17:12:24	MacGyver	grazzolini: If you have a sane ISP, where you can actually get to the technical people, you might be able to pull that off too.
2021-08-17 17:12:28	nij-	grawity: I don't know 0.0! Didn't know that could be not by default.
2021-08-17 17:12:41	⚡ 	grawity :/
2021-08-17 17:12:48	MacGyver	niki: Rebranding bad firmware without knowing what to check for.
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2021-08-17 17:13:24	niki	MacGyver: what prefix length are they handing out?
2021-08-17 17:13:41	nij-	Lemme try to connect again using ipv4..
2021-08-17 17:14:00	ArchNoob	Hello, So I'm facing the issue "failed to comit transactions (invalid or corrupt package)" when I update my system with `pacman -Syu`. I've tried doing `pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring` but the error persist
2021-08-17 17:14:00	grawity	yeah, it can certainly be not by default because many ISPs outright do not offer IPv6, and many IT departments do not like dealing with IPv6 even if their ISP *would* offer it (see also: the other discussion happening here)
2021-08-17 17:14:07	grazzolini	MacGyver: most ISP's suck
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2021-08-17 17:14:20	grazzolini	also, here in Brazil, the IPv6 rollout was mandatory
2021-08-17 17:14:32	grazzolini	if the ISP's hadn't enabled it, they'd be breaching the law
2021-08-17 17:14:43	grawity	so while the error message is weird (and possibly IT-shenanigans-related, as is the unexpected bind() call)
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2021-08-17 17:14:50	grazzolini	who cares if people can reach all the machines you have on your house from the internet
2021-08-17 17:14:55	MacGyver	niki: Can't say, this router model is *very* barebones in its v6-implementation.
2021-08-17 17:14:55	grawity	if the host you're connecting from doesn't have ipv6 then it doesn't have ipv6
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2021-08-17 17:15:19	niki	MacGyver: ... 
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2021-08-17 17:15:30	grawity	grazzolini: ah so mostly "do the bare minimum to be within compliance of legal requirements" kinda rollout
2021-08-17 17:15:40	MacGyver	niki: It's *probably* getting a /56 or /48 because I can have multiple networks, but I've never checked whether those networks get different prefixes.
2021-08-17 17:15:50	grazzolini	grawity: yep, without replacing old equipment that didn't had firewall at all
2021-08-17 17:16:01	grazzolini	grawity: which isn't a problem for ipv4 because of nat anyway
2021-08-17 17:16:07	grawity	(mostly)
2021-08-17 17:16:07	grazzolini	but it's a huge issue for v6
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2021-08-17 17:16:29	grazzolini	MacGyver: I only get a /64 here
2021-08-17 17:16:32	niki	well NAT kind of requires a "firewall"
2021-08-17 17:16:41	grazzolini	"only" 18 trillion addresses
2021-08-17 17:16:44	grawity	doesn't really require a "filter" firewall
2021-08-17 17:16:44	ArchNoob	Help!
2021-08-17 17:16:53	grazzolini	niki: no, nat requires address translation, not firewall
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2021-08-17 17:17:11	grawity	usually routers just use the same netfilter conntrack to do both
2021-08-17 17:17:14	MacGyver	ArchNoob: Remove the offending package from the cache and retry.
2021-08-17 17:17:16	nij-	grawity: Indeed! It doesn't seem to have ipv6 from its `ip a`.
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2021-08-17 17:17:32	grawity	anyway, yeah, private addressing does help against distant clients (but doesn't entirely help against your immediate neighbours!)
2021-08-17 17:17:48	MacGyver	niki: Look honestly I'm happy I've finally got native IPv6 with a firewall *at all*.
2021-08-17 17:17:58	jelle	:D
2021-08-17 17:18:08	Scimmia	ArchNoob: if that doesn't do it, we need full, complete errors. You only gave us a small part that tells us little
2021-08-17 17:18:26	MacGyver	niki: That the router won't tell me what prefixes it's working with... *shrug*.
2021-08-17 17:18:26	grazzolini	grawity: the irony is, my router can do ipv4 firewalling, but not ipv6
2021-08-17 17:18:31	niki	MacGyver: yeah, and considering some bottom-of-the-barrel ISPs only hand out /64
2021-08-17 17:18:37	niki	sounds not too bad now :p
2021-08-17 17:18:38	nij-	grawity: But now it hangs after I run `ssh nij@server-ipv4-.. -p 12345`
2021-08-17 17:18:38	grazzolini	I mean, I bet it can, just the firmware it has doesn't
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2021-08-17 17:20:55	grawity	grazzolini: yeah -- the same goes for some manufacturers, "look, two of our big customers are saying they now have ipv6 as a requirement, can you add it to our 500 model-specific firmware variants by next week?"
2021-08-17 17:21:23	grawity	nij-: is the server behind NAT? if yes, have you set up the "port forwarding" thing already
2021-08-17 17:21:36	nij-	Yes, I have setup port forwarding.
2021-08-17 17:22:34	nij-	grawity: this is what I have from the router admin page https://bpa.st/66YA
2021-08-17 17:22:35	phrik	Title: View paste 66YA (at bpa.st)
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2021-08-17 17:26:02	Scimmia	nij-: upd only?
2021-08-17 17:26:06	Scimmia	udp
2021-08-17 17:26:08	ArchNoob	Scimmia:okay, I'm re doing `pacman -Syu`
2021-08-17 17:28:01	nij-	Scimmia: Oh jeez! It works after I set both :O
2021-08-17 17:28:18	grazzolini	nij-: you shouldn't bother with udp, ssh doesn't support it
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2021-08-17 17:28:36	nij-	Finally...... after 6 hours of work T_T Thank you so much folks..
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2021-08-17 17:35:00	nij-	grazzolini: Great, I think I should also disable ipv6. Do you do that on the router, or on the laptop?
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2021-08-17 17:35:39	niki	There is no reason to disable IPv6 if your router is not a piece of garbage
2021-08-17 17:35:59	nij-	OK @_@
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2021-08-17 17:37:29	toze_das_coves	Hi everyone I'm having a bit of problems with a broadcom 4331 and both b43 and wl drivers
2021-08-17 17:37:45	toze_das_coves	What's a good Network Manager alternative so I can test it out
2021-08-17 17:37:55	toze_das_coves	Mostly for wifi
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2021-08-17 17:39:24	ArchNoob	!paste
2021-08-17 17:39:24	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2021-08-17 17:42:29	Aryan	Hi, How much will it take for me to put my mirror on Tier 1?
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2021-08-17 17:43:05	niki	nij-: you can use some website to do a portscan, just find an ipv6 portscan and enter the public ipv6 adress some what's my ip website tells you, if there are no open ports your firewall is probably working correctly and you don't need to worry about anything else. some people (like my parents) are only reachable via IPv6, and you might want to connect to those 
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2021-08-17 17:44:47	nij-	i see
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2021-08-17 17:46:08	catbehemoth	I am running docker and VMs on the same arch box, by default docker set FORWARD chain to drop, so I loose access to VMs (they are all directly connected to the network through a bridge). I know it is more of a networking question and not arch question but what would be the right way to make it all work? Do I create rules to forward traffic to every individual VM? (if yes how do I deal with
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2021-08-17 17:46:10	catbehemoth	multicast?) or is it possible to have 2 forward chains (one per bridge, I have multiple NICs as well) so that docker preserves its DROP policy. Also what do you guys use for firewall iptables/nftables directly or something like ufw?
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2021-08-17 17:47:32	grawity	in iptables no
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2021-08-17 17:48:14	grawity	in nftables you can have multiple chains independently hooked, but "drop" is still a final verdict (whereas "accept" just passes it over to the next hook) - i.e. still no
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2021-08-17 17:49:49	grawity	though tbh
2021-08-17 17:49:59	catbehemoth	grawity: so how can I reconcile docker and vm access online? am I stuck using NAT on VMs? or run docker in a VM itself
2021-08-17 17:50:01	grawity	drop *is* a good default for the FORWARD chain, imo
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2021-08-17 17:50:21	grawity	it's the kind of thing that you really want to allow only specific things anyway
2021-08-17 17:50:50	grawity	insert your own rules above those from docker and it'll be fine
2021-08-17 17:51:51	catbehemoth	on of the VMs is running AD,DNS,DHCP and some other MS infrastructure stuff, that will be lots of rules ... will ufw or something else make it easier?
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2021-08-17 17:53:08	grawity	one rule for outbound from your VM subnet, one rule for conntrack (if docker doesn't add one anyway), one rule for inbound from like your LAN to the VM subnet
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2021-08-17 17:56:22	Hello72	grazzolini: tbf ipv6 full table isn't that easy. i think he and cogent are still mutually unreachable
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2021-08-17 18:11:06	nij-	Anyone knows how to configure console fonts for ALL tty? Currently I use added FONT=ter-v32n in `/etc/vconsole.conf` but it only works for tty1. (https://man.archlinux.org/man/vconsole.conf.5.en)
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2021-08-17 18:23:20	mpan	nij-: this shouldn’t be the case, as it’s the same console and the same program running in all of them. I am not sure, however, if the system don’t has to be restarted before the changes take effect.
2021-08-17 18:23:38	mpan	nij-: any details?
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2021-08-17 18:33:22	nij-	mpan: I've restarted. It only takes effect in tty1.
2021-08-17 18:34:54	mpan	nij-: and what is in tty2?
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2021-08-17 18:37:06	nij-	It remains the same. The old, tinier font is used.
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2021-08-17 18:43:35	mpan	nij-: then I have no idea. While setting the font at runtime affects the current console, “/etc/vconsole.conf” should affect all of them.
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2021-08-17 18:44:37	nij-	mpan: Weird enough xD
2021-08-17 18:44:45	nij-	Ok.. next question maybe :)
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2021-08-17 18:51:08	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1298 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1298 normals)
2021-08-17 17:07:12	thrice	config files are for suckers
2021-08-17 17:07:31	nij-	grawity: https://bpa.st/7R5Q
2021-08-17 17:07:33	phrik	Title: View paste 7R5Q (at bpa.st)
2021-08-17 17:10:08	grawity	that bind() call looks unrelated, yet suspicious
2021-08-17 17:10:23	niki	Is 3001:: even allocated
2021-08-17 17:10:32	ikout	There is one systemd unit at this page https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Firefox/Profile_on_RAM to sync firefox profile on ram with disc, i got 'sync' running periodically but not able to do on shutdown. so the actual script Im running is firefox-sync. I gave above linked service to present the problem simplified here
2021-08-17 17:10:34	phrik	Title: Firefox/Profile on RAM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-17 17:11:13	MacGyver	grazzolini: I got my ISP to emergency roll-out a config change forcing IPv6 disabled on a certain router model (mine), because of precisely that.
2021-08-17 17:11:37	MacGyver	grazzolini: Took a few months but they've now put a default-deny firewall in.
2021-08-17 17:11:41	nij-	grawity: my client machine is a server in my Department. The IT configured it.
2021-08-17 17:11:53	niki	MacGyver: wtf are these ISPs doing
2021-08-17 17:12:01	grawity	does your client machine actually have IPv6 access
2021-08-17 17:12:24	MacGyver	grazzolini: If you have a sane ISP, where you can actually get to the technical people, you might be able to pull that off too.
2021-08-17 17:12:28	nij-	grawity: I don't know 0.0! Didn't know that could be not by default.
2021-08-17 17:12:41	⚡ 	grawity :/
2021-08-17 17:12:48	MacGyver	niki: Rebranding bad firmware without knowing what to check for.
2021-08-17 17:13:24	niki	MacGyver: what prefix length are they handing out?
2021-08-17 17:13:41	nij-	Lemme try to connect again using ipv4..
2021-08-17 17:14:00	ArchNoob	Hello, So I'm facing the issue "failed to comit transactions (invalid or corrupt package)" when I update my system with `pacman -Syu`. I've tried doing `pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring` but the error persist
2021-08-17 17:14:00	grawity	yeah, it can certainly be not by default because many ISPs outright do not offer IPv6, and many IT departments do not like dealing with IPv6 even if their ISP *would* offer it (see also: the other discussion happening here)
2021-08-17 17:14:07	grazzolini	MacGyver: most ISP's suck
2021-08-17 17:14:20	grazzolini	also, here in Brazil, the IPv6 rollout was mandatory
2021-08-17 17:14:32	grazzolini	if the ISP's hadn't enabled it, they'd be breaching the law
2021-08-17 17:14:43	grawity	so while the error message is weird (and possibly IT-shenanigans-related, as is the unexpected bind() call)
2021-08-17 17:14:50	grazzolini	who cares if people can reach all the machines you have on your house from the internet
2021-08-17 17:14:55	MacGyver	niki: Can't say, this router model is *very* barebones in its v6-implementation.
2021-08-17 17:14:55	grawity	if the host you're connecting from doesn't have ipv6 then it doesn't have ipv6
2021-08-17 17:15:19	niki	MacGyver: ... 
2021-08-17 17:15:30	grawity	grazzolini: ah so mostly "do the bare minimum to be within compliance of legal requirements" kinda rollout
2021-08-17 17:15:40	MacGyver	niki: It's *probably* getting a /56 or /48 because I can have multiple networks, but I've never checked whether those networks get different prefixes.
2021-08-17 17:15:50	grazzolini	grawity: yep, without replacing old equipment that didn't had firewall at all
2021-08-17 17:16:01	grazzolini	grawity: which isn't a problem for ipv4 because of nat anyway
2021-08-17 17:16:07	grawity	(mostly)
2021-08-17 17:16:07	grazzolini	but it's a huge issue for v6
2021-08-17 17:16:29	grazzolini	MacGyver: I only get a /64 here
2021-08-17 17:16:32	niki	well NAT kind of requires a "firewall"
2021-08-17 17:16:41	grazzolini	"only" 18 trillion addresses
2021-08-17 17:16:44	grawity	doesn't really require a "filter" firewall
2021-08-17 17:16:44	ArchNoob	Help!
2021-08-17 17:16:53	grazzolini	niki: no, nat requires address translation, not firewall
2021-08-17 17:17:11	grawity	usually routers just use the same netfilter conntrack to do both
2021-08-17 17:17:15	MacGyver	ArchNoob: Remove the offending package from the cache and retry.
2021-08-17 17:17:16	nij-	grawity: Indeed! It doesn't seem to have ipv6 from its `ip a`.
2021-08-17 17:17:32	grawity	anyway, yeah, private addressing does help against distant clients (but doesn't entirely help against your immediate neighbours!)
2021-08-17 17:17:48	MacGyver	niki: Look honestly I'm happy I've finally got native IPv6 with a firewall *at all*.
2021-08-17 17:17:58	jelle	:D
2021-08-17 17:18:08	Scimmia	ArchNoob: if that doesn't do it, we need full, complete errors. You only gave us a small part that tells us little
2021-08-17 17:18:26	MacGyver	niki: That the router won't tell me what prefixes it's working with... *shrug*.
2021-08-17 17:18:26	grazzolini	grawity: the irony is, my router can do ipv4 firewalling, but not ipv6
2021-08-17 17:18:31	niki	MacGyver: yeah, and considering some bottom-of-the-barrel ISPs only hand out /64
2021-08-17 17:18:37	niki	sounds not too bad now :p
2021-08-17 17:18:38	nij-	grawity: But now it hangs after I run `ssh nij@server-ipv4-.. -p 12345`
2021-08-17 17:18:38	grazzolini	I mean, I bet it can, just the firmware it has doesn't
2021-08-17 17:20:55	grawity	grazzolini: yeah -- the same goes for some manufacturers, "look, two of our big customers are saying they now have ipv6 as a requirement, can you add it to our 500 model-specific firmware variants by next week?"
2021-08-17 17:21:23	grawity	nij-: is the server behind NAT? if yes, have you set up the "port forwarding" thing already
2021-08-17 17:21:36	nij-	Yes, I have setup port forwarding.
2021-08-17 17:22:34	nij-	grawity: this is what I have from the router admin page https://bpa.st/66YA
2021-08-17 17:22:35	phrik	Title: View paste 66YA (at bpa.st)
2021-08-17 17:26:02	Scimmia	nij-: upd only?
2021-08-17 17:26:06	Scimmia	udp
2021-08-17 17:26:08	ArchNoob	Scimmia:okay, I'm re doing `pacman -Syu`
2021-08-17 17:28:01	nij-	Scimmia: Oh jeez! It works after I set both :O
2021-08-17 17:28:18	grazzolini	nij-: you shouldn't bother with udp, ssh doesn't support it
2021-08-17 17:28:36	nij-	Finally...... after 6 hours of work T_T Thank you so much folks..
2021-08-17 17:35:00	nij-	grazzolini: Great, I think I should also disable ipv6. Do you do that on the router, or on the laptop?
2021-08-17 17:35:39	niki	There is no reason to disable IPv6 if your router is not a piece of garbage
2021-08-17 17:35:59	nij-	OK @_@
2021-08-17 17:37:29	toze_das_coves	Hi everyone I'm having a bit of problems with a broadcom 4331 and both b43 and wl drivers
2021-08-17 17:37:45	toze_das_coves	What's a good Network Manager alternative so I can test it out
2021-08-17 17:37:55	toze_das_coves	Mostly for wifi
2021-08-17 17:39:24	ArchNoob	!paste
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2021-08-17 17:40:36	grawity	nij-: ssh only uses tcp
2021-08-17 17:42:29	Aryan	Hi, How much will it take for me to put my mirror on Tier 1?
2021-08-17 17:43:05	niki	nij-: you can use some website to do a portscan, just find an ipv6 portscan and enter the public ipv6 adress some what's my ip website tells you, if there are no open ports your firewall is probably working correctly and you don't need to worry about anything else. some people (like my parents) are only reachable via IPv6, and you might want to connect to those 
2021-08-17 17:44:47	nij-	i see
2021-08-17 17:46:08	catbehemoth	I am running docker and VMs on the same arch box, by default docker set FORWARD chain to drop, so I loose access to VMs (they are all directly connected to the network through a bridge). I know it is more of a networking question and not arch question but what would be the right way to make it all work? Do I create rules to forward traffic to every individual VM? (if yes how do I deal with
2021-08-17 17:46:10	catbehemoth	multicast?) or is it possible to have 2 forward chains (one per bridge, I have multiple NICs as well) so that docker preserves its DROP policy. Also what do you guys use for firewall iptables/nftables directly or something like ufw?
2021-08-17 17:47:32	grawity	in iptables no
2021-08-17 17:48:14	grawity	in nftables you can have multiple chains independently hooked, but "drop" is still a final verdict (whereas "accept" just passes it over to the next hook) - i.e. still no
2021-08-17 17:49:49	grawity	though tbh
2021-08-17 17:49:59	catbehemoth	grawity: so how can I reconcile docker and vm access online? am I stuck using NAT on VMs? or run docker in a VM itself
2021-08-17 17:50:01	grawity	drop *is* a good default for the FORWARD chain, imo
2021-08-17 17:50:21	grawity	it's the kind of thing that you really want to allow only specific things anyway
2021-08-17 17:50:50	grawity	insert your own rules above those from docker and it'll be fine
2021-08-17 17:51:51	catbehemoth	on of the VMs is running AD,DNS,DHCP and some other MS infrastructure stuff, that will be lots of rules ... will ufw or something else make it easier?
2021-08-17 17:53:08	grawity	one rule for outbound from your VM subnet, one rule for conntrack (if docker doesn't add one anyway), one rule for inbound from like your LAN to the VM subnet
2021-08-17 17:56:22	Hello72	grazzolini: tbf ipv6 full table isn't that easy. i think he and cogent are still mutually unreachable
2021-08-17 17:57:57	catbehemoth	i think Ill get firewallD installed to try, at work we use cockpit and seems quite easily configurable (I usually deal with containers themselves not infrastructure, setting up a lab at home to practice)
2021-08-17 18:11:06	nij-	Anyone knows how to configure console fonts for ALL tty? Currently I use added FONT=ter-v32n in `/etc/vconsole.conf` but it only works for tty1. (https://man.archlinux.org/man/vconsole.conf.5.en)
2021-08-17 18:23:20	mpan	nij-: this shouldn’t be the case, as it’s the same console and the same program running in all of them. I am not sure, however, if the system don’t has to be restarted before the changes take effect.
2021-08-17 18:23:38	mpan	nij-: any details?
2021-08-17 18:31:24	toze_das_coves	!paste
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2021-08-17 18:33:22	nij-	mpan: I've restarted. It only takes effect in tty1.
2021-08-17 18:34:55	mpan	nij-: and what is in tty2?
2021-08-17 18:37:07	nij-	It remains the same. The old, tinier font is used.
2021-08-17 18:39:03	theteachr	hey
2021-08-17 18:39:09	NetSysFire	!welcomerpg
2021-08-17 18:39:11	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you deleted your precious data today.
2021-08-17 18:41:07	theteachr	!welcomeprg
2021-08-17 18:41:08	phrik	theteachr: Is that… Is that really a word?
2021-08-17 18:43:35	mpan	nij-: then I have no idea. While setting the font at runtime affects the current console, “/etc/vconsole.conf” should affect all of them.
2021-08-17 18:44:37	nij-	mpan: Weird enough xD
2021-08-17 18:44:45	nij-	Ok.. next question maybe :)
2021-08-17 18:45:15	nij-	Anyone used no-ip before? I had my account set, and installed its client. However, it never accept my account and password.
2021-08-17 18:45:30	nij-	Perhaps I should wait for a moment for they to write my data in their db xD?
2021-08-17 18:45:36	nij-	Or maybe I should just switch..
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2021-08-17 19:13:34	another|	nij-: can recommend https://www.nsupdate.info/
2021-08-17 19:14:35	another|	open source, no ads, etc. it just works. 
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2021-08-17 19:21:09	olle	Anyone knows how open SteamOS will be on the new Steam Deck? It's based on Arch, I've read.
2021-08-17 19:21:26	NetSysFire	we wont support it though
2021-08-17 19:21:31	NetSysFire	its an entire different distro
2021-08-17 19:21:34	mefistofeles	oh noes
2021-08-17 19:21:39	⚡ 	mefistofeles dumps arch for steamos
2021-08-17 19:21:51	olle	NetSysFire: Aha. But you could theoretically compile the same programs? If gcc etc are in there?
2021-08-17 19:22:00	NetSysFire	i dont know
2021-08-17 19:22:03	NetSysFire	nobody knows yet
2021-08-17 19:22:08	olle	Alright :) Thanks still.
2021-08-17 19:22:26	demonicmaniac	you can always install proper arch on it
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2021-08-17 19:23:58	grazzolini	olle: they told they are going to release the code
2021-08-17 19:24:13	grazzolini	and, from what I've heard so far, it should be pretty close to Arch.
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2021-08-17 19:25:17	olle	grazzolini: oh? so it's an open-source distro based on arch, then. cool!
2021-08-17 19:25:42	olle	well, it's gpl, so guess they have to. or else use freebsd instead, like nintendo switch.
2021-08-17 19:25:58	grazzolini	olle: well, I don't know if they are going to open source their tooling, but they have to open the rest, given it's based on Arch
2021-08-17 19:26:05	olle	Right
2021-08-17 19:26:24	grazzolini	they already shared their intention on also opening the tooling and contributing upstream too.
2021-08-17 19:26:37	grazzolini	if that'll happen, it's a different thing
2021-08-17 19:26:48	olle	true
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2021-08-17 19:28:51	grazzolini	olle: still, it won't be supported here.
2021-08-17 19:28:59	olle	yes yes :)
2021-08-17 19:29:04	grazzolini	olle: you can install Arch on steam deck
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2021-08-17 19:29:14	grazzolini	(which I would very likely do)
2021-08-17 19:29:31	olle	grazzolini: that's for power users. I was thinking of if the community as a whole could benefit from an open platform.
2021-08-17 19:29:35	◣	Szadek_ (~Szadek@185.209.196.168) ha salido (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2021-08-17 19:29:36	grazzolini	also, I know for a fact that some of the changes made to plasma to support steam deck are on plasma upstream already
2021-08-17 19:29:45	olle	k
2021-08-17 19:29:47	grazzolini	olle: Arch is already open
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2021-08-17 19:30:15	olle	Of course, but for power users :)
2021-08-17 19:30:29	grazzolini	olle: this is bs
2021-08-17 19:30:35	grazzolini	Arch is a general purpose distro
2021-08-17 19:30:40	grazzolini	it can be used by anyone
2021-08-17 19:30:50	olle	Probably not installed, tho
2021-08-17 19:30:55	olle	Most people can't install Windows either
2021-08-17 19:31:13	olle	maybe I should say "tech users" not power users
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2021-08-17 19:32:49	grazzolini	olle: that's worse, everyone uses "tech". using tech is a crucial part of modern society in most places.
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2021-08-17 19:33:24	grazzolini	olle: installing Arch isn't hard at all. keeping the system running is.
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2021-08-17 19:34:56	nova	It seems like powertop is reporting that amdgpu (an interrupt that must run frequently) is causing high batter drain. I can't really remove mesa, so ... not quite sure what to do
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2021-08-17 19:36:13	nova	similar https://www.reddit.com/r/ZephyrusG14/comments/mvhv00/amd_gpu_is_causing_high_battery_drain_and_cpu/
2021-08-17 19:36:16	olle	hm
2021-08-17 19:37:15	nova	On the bright side, I can render things in blender without the laptop fan turning on :3
2021-08-17 19:37:53	nova	but I can't take notes in class - for very long. lol
2021-08-17 19:38:15	olle	why even use gpu whe optimizing for battery time?
2021-08-17 19:38:18	olle	when*
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2021-08-17 19:38:41	nova	I asked it to disable itself, but it must be deaf
2021-08-17 19:38:53	nova	how can I just disable it? :) lol
2021-08-17 19:39:39	olle	killall Xorg
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2021-08-17 19:47:25	marconi	no option to disable it on bios?
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2021-08-17 19:51:32	demonicmaniac	1w is nothing though?
2021-08-17 19:51:43	abhixec	trying to install termonad and getting Could not find module ‘GI.GModule.Structs.Module’ anyone know how I can resolve this?
2021-08-17 19:51:43	demonicmaniac	this dude has 80% cpu utilization - that's eating battery
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2021-08-17 20:21:11	CyberShadow	Is using nofail to make systemd mount stuff in the background broken again, anyone noticed?
2021-08-17 20:21:35	CyberShadow	(Point 2 of https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.mount.html#Default%20Dependencies)
2021-08-17 20:21:36	phrik	Title: systemd.mount (at www.freedesktop.org)
2021-08-17 20:22:10	CyberShadow	Maybe https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/fa138f5e26742f83a762b2809a1891978c6aa04a ?
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2021-08-17 20:24:14	CyberShadow	Found it, https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/20224 - yes and yes
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2021-08-17 20:35:07	jamesp	Something strange happened.
2021-08-17 20:35:10	dagle	abhixec: How did you install termonad and haskell?
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2021-08-17 20:36:24	jamesp	When I have my flash drive plugged into my computer (128GB, formatted with FAT32), my computer's mouse starts becoming slow and unstable.
2021-08-17 20:36:56	Casper	And if you plug in any other flashdrive, nothing happens?
2021-08-17 20:36:58	jamesp	I found this out because I have no issues when my flash drive is unplugged.
2021-08-17 20:37:13	jamesp	I'll try another.
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2021-08-17 20:38:19	jamesp	Oh wait now my computer isn't loading any prompts to mount a drive. (Arch Linux, KDE Plasma 5.22.4)
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2021-08-17 20:38:43	jamesp	It happened for the first flash drive in question as well as my second one.
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2021-08-17 20:39:46	jamesp	I'll be right back. Gotta restart my computer.
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2021-08-17 20:52:24	jamesp	Casper I'm back
2021-08-17 20:52:58	jamesp	So I plugged in a different flash drive and I'm not getting the slowdown issues.
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2021-08-17 20:55:14	jamesp	Let's start over
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2021-08-17 20:57:01	eletrotupi	I don't really remember who helped me yesterday regarding a encrypted SSD
2021-08-17 20:57:16	jamesp	I plugged in one flash drive into my computer (Arch Linux, KDE Plasma, NVIDIA Drivers) and as soon as it was plugged in it caused the mouse to glitch out and become unstable. The issue went away when I removed that drive.
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2021-08-17 20:57:28	eletrotupi	but I've decided to reinstall arch on that spare ssd and it's absolutely faster
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2021-08-17 20:57:38	eletrotupi	so yeah, probably being a cheaper ssd is the problem
2021-08-17 20:58:11	jamesp	So I was told to try and see if the same issue happens on another drive, so I plugged another flash drive in and the issue went away.
2021-08-17 20:58:24	eletrotupi	I've also took the opportunity to do a fully fledge arch install, will resume later today 
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2021-08-18 18:13:59	phrik	Title: LXD - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-18 18:14:37	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-18 18:20:44	ℹ 	bhava1 es conocido ahora como bhava
2021-08-18 18:20:44	cyphertite	sszark:  do what you want, but I intentionally disable secure boot in my host Arch, and all of my guest Arch VMs
2021-08-18 18:20:44	ikin	Casper: by manually you mean this command systemctl --user start run-at-shutdown or running the script itself in shell?
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2021-08-18 18:21:09	sszark	I don't have secure boot, but it's trying to load it for the LXD container. Which is the issue. cyphertite 
2021-08-18 18:21:22	sszark	LXD vm*
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2021-08-18 18:21:58	nova	Does anyone here use Gimp and know how/why when I right click something (e.g. a layer), there are no longer underlines in the menu s.t. I can tap a character corresponding to an underline to execute that item in the menu? I tried #gimp, of course, and I checked every single setting. The people of gimp suggested that perhaps something about gtk or something else is misconfigured or awry
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2021-08-18 18:24:28	cyphertite	sszark:  IDK about LXD containers; but are you saying you don't have a SB toggle switch in your BIOS/UEFI settings?
2021-08-18 18:24:33	Namarrgon	nova: try a different therem, with the default gtk2 and the dark theme they are hard to see
2021-08-18 18:24:38	nova	I even enabled "Enable accessibility in GTK+ applications" in lxappearance
2021-08-18 18:25:26	Namarrgon	s/therem/theme/
2021-08-18 18:25:50	nova	Namarrgon, I am using Flat-Remix-GTK-Blue-Darkest ... and I also tried Adwaita. But it's not just the fact that the underlines do not show up. It is that when I right-click a layer, I cannot press "d" to delete a layer, and I used to be able to do taht
2021-08-18 18:25:57	nova	s/...$/hat/
2021-08-18 18:26:25	artefact	i am trying to build a unified kernel image with a splash image. using the defaults from the arch wiki, i get "execution of embedded linux image failed: load error" and "start_image() returned load error". omitting the .splash section makes a working image. any ideas?
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2021-08-18 18:26:55	sszark	cyphertite secure boot is disabled
2021-08-18 18:26:57	jonathon	sszark: that file is in edk2-ovmf
2021-08-18 18:28:12	ikin	Casper: when i manually start the unit using systemctl --user start then it runs
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2021-08-18 18:29:08	nova	I think I just found that they are called gtk-auto-mnemonics
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2021-08-18 18:32:27	sszark	What are you suggesting? Is it looking for it in the wrong location? jonathon 
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2021-08-18 18:34:17	jonathon	do you have that package installed?
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2021-08-18 18:58:15	nova	Namarrgon, you were right. I changed my theme to arc-dark, and it just works now. It is not a visibility issue, but every single Flat-Remix-GTK-* theme from aur/flat-remix-gtk ( https://drasite.com/flat-remix-gtk / https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/flat-remix-gtk ) is broken
2021-08-18 18:58:17	phrik	Title: DяA | Daniel Ruiz de Alegría (at drasite.com)
2021-08-18 19:04:22	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-18 19:06:38	teraflops	that's why I always stick to adwaita
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2021-08-18 19:08:09	sszark	themeing has always been difficult. Since each developer expects different elements to be presented in a specific way.
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2021-08-18 19:41:39	Betal	if I arch-chroot a VM disk and regenerate mkinitcpio, will it consider my real hardware? (without ssh)
2021-08-18 19:42:58	Namarrgon	it will only consider the hardware on which it runs
2021-08-18 19:43:22	Namarrgon	for everything else there is the fallback image
2021-08-18 19:43:48	Namarrgon	"it" being the autodetect hook
2021-08-18 19:47:27	Betal	thanks, was wondering about this possibility, so it is correct, there is a chance the VM can fail later without the fallback image
2021-08-18 19:48:18	Namarrgon	it's possible
2021-08-18 19:57:32	jamesp	!paste
2021-08-18 19:57:33	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-18 19:57:57	jamesp	!rs
2021-08-18 19:57:58	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
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2021-08-18 20:40:18	teraflops	oops
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2021-08-19 18:26:30	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1302 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1302 normals)
2021-08-19 15:18:08	tonitch	no, my everyday desktop
2021-08-19 15:18:14	Namarrgon	are the nvidia modules loaded?
2021-08-19 15:18:45	tonitch	pretty sure
2021-08-19 15:18:53	Namarrgon	lsmod | ŋrep nvidia
2021-08-19 15:18:53	tonitch	I just tried to update 
2021-08-19 15:19:06	Namarrgon	did you update the nvidia modules without rebooting?
2021-08-19 15:19:31	tonitch	I updated it then reboot and retry but yhea, this output is the one I just did
2021-08-19 15:20:33	tonitch	http://ix.io/3wrS
2021-08-19 15:21:12	tonitch	maybe I can try linux-zen to see if the problem is that ?
2021-08-19 15:21:20	Namarrgon	uname -r && pacman -Q linux nvidia
2021-08-19 15:21:32	tonitch	i'm on lts
2021-08-19 15:21:33	tonitch	wait a sec
2021-08-19 15:22:28	tonitch	5.10.56-1-lts
2021-08-19 15:22:28	tonitch	linux 5.13.12.arch1-1
2021-08-19 15:22:28	tonitch	nvidia 470.63.01-3
2021-08-19 15:23:07	tonitch	i'll try to reboot
2021-08-19 15:23:15	Namarrgon	do you have the nvidia modules in the initramfs?
2021-08-19 15:24:00	tonitch	how do I check that ?
2021-08-19 15:24:15	Namarrgon	did you add them to the MODULES array in mkinitcpio.conf?
2021-08-19 15:24:29	tonitch	no
2021-08-19 15:24:36	tonitch	MODULE array is empty
2021-08-19 15:24:59	Namarrgon	let dkms rebuild the modules for the lts kernel
2021-08-19 15:25:04	Namarrgon	see if you get any errors
2021-08-19 15:26:05	tonitch	I just rebooted on zen
2021-08-19 15:26:10	tonitch	should I do this here
2021-08-19 15:26:27	Namarrgon	do you have the same problem on the zen kernel?
2021-08-19 15:26:55	tonitch	glxinfo say the same, i'll quickly try
2021-08-19 15:28:20	tonitch	yes, it's still buggy
2021-08-19 15:28:34	tonitch	I did $ sudo dkms autoinstall
2021-08-19 15:32:53	Namarrgon	are the nvidia modules loaded?
2021-08-19 15:33:31	tonitch	yes
2021-08-19 15:33:41	tonitch	~ >>> lsmod | grep nvidia
2021-08-19 15:33:42	tonitch	nvidia_drm             73728  1
2021-08-19 15:33:42	tonitch	nvidia_modeset       1200128  2 nvidia_drm
2021-08-19 15:33:42	tonitch	nvidia              35332096  72 nvidia_modeset
2021-08-19 15:33:42	tonitch	drm_kms_helper        319488  1 nvidia_drm
2021-08-19 15:33:42	Namarrgon	how did you check?
2021-08-19 15:33:44	tonitch	drm                   630784  5 drm_kms_helper,nvidia,nvidia_drm
2021-08-19 15:33:55	Namarrgon	which wm are you running?
2021-08-19 15:34:02	tonitch	bspwm
2021-08-19 15:34:06	Namarrgon	post the xorg log
2021-08-19 15:34:38	tonitch	the /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
2021-08-19 15:34:54	Namarrgon	!xorg log
2021-08-19 15:34:55	phrik	xorg's log can be found in one of several places: the system journal, /var/log/ or $HOME/.local/share/xorg/
2021-08-19 15:34:59	Namarrgon	it depends on how you start X
2021-08-19 15:35:05	tonitch	lightdm
2021-08-19 15:35:59	tonitch	since the one in .local haven't been changed since 2020 I think it's the one in var log
2021-08-19 15:36:37	tonitch	but there is two, i'll upload them both
2021-08-19 15:37:36	tonitch	http://ix.io/3ws2
2021-08-19 15:37:40	tonitch	http://ix.io/3w9H
2021-08-19 15:39:02	tonitch	isn't it in the first file at 3.032
2021-08-19 15:41:01	Namarrgon	one is from march, the other from august
2021-08-19 15:41:34	Namarrgon	what is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
2021-08-19 15:42:55	tonitch	http://ix.io/3ws3
2021-08-19 15:43:20	Namarrgon	why did you create this config?
2021-08-19 15:43:24	susi	if I edit a udev rule, what else does it require but `udevadm trigger` afterwards
2021-08-19 15:43:52	Namarrgon	susi: that's it
2021-08-19 15:43:54	tonitch	I have this system for a really long time... I don't really remember tbh
2021-08-19 15:44:04	Namarrgon	tonitch: rename/-move it
2021-08-19 15:44:10	tonitch	can I just .old it and retry ?
2021-08-19 15:44:15	Namarrgon	sure
2021-08-19 15:44:51	tonitch	omw
2021-08-19 15:44:57	Namarrgon	omw?
2021-08-19 15:45:17	sQVe	on my way? 
2021-08-19 15:45:22	⚡ 	thursdaylark reads On My Way, but difficult to parse in the context
2021-08-19 15:45:43	sQVe	👆
2021-08-19 15:46:02	susi	did `udevadm control -R` anyways
2021-08-19 15:46:03	tonitch	now everything is zoomed in and I don't have access to my secondary screen
2021-08-19 15:46:28	Namarrgon	tonitch: does opengl work?
2021-08-19 15:46:44	Namarrgon	"sudo pacman -Qkk 1> /dev/null"
2021-08-19 15:46:56	tonitch	hum... the "Device: llvmpipe" is still there
2021-08-19 15:50:58	tonitch	and no the probleme is still there (even tho I don't know if it means opengl is ded)
2021-08-19 15:51:19	Namarrgon	nvidia's opengl is broken, yes
2021-08-19 15:54:04	tonitch	http://ix.io/3ws6
2021-08-19 15:54:19	Namarrgon	"sudo pacman -Qkk 1> /dev/null"
2021-08-19 15:54:43	tonitch	there is a lot of thing related to all kind of app 
2021-08-19 15:54:51	tonitch	wait a sec
2021-08-19 15:55:26	tonitch	how can I redirect the stderr to pipe ?
2021-08-19 15:56:00	tonitch	(to send the output to ix.io)
2021-08-19 15:56:03	grawity	sudo pacman -Qkk 2>&1 1>/dev/null | ix
2021-08-19 15:56:27	grawity	make sure the 2>&1 goes first
2021-08-19 15:56:36	tonitch	k
2021-08-19 15:57:51	grawity	alternatively: (sudo pacman -Qkk 1>/dev/null) 2>&1 | ix
2021-08-19 16:02:09	tonitch	nice thanks, but at the end of command, curl didn't responsed with the code, i'll put it in a file then send it
2021-08-19 16:06:00	tonitch	ok, maybe it was too big for ix... here it is on gist 
2021-08-19 16:06:01	tonitch	https://gist.github.com/2dc6b04340f0c68b402360111ccacd3c
2021-08-19 16:07:12	thursdaylark	pacman is pretty good at spending 6K+ lines to tell you that shit's fucked pretty hard round these parts lol
2021-08-19 16:07:22	Namarrgon	pacman -Qs nvidia
2021-08-19 16:07:28	tonitch	ho... it's not even complete
2021-08-19 16:07:50	tonitch	https://gist.github.com/c18e8b22cd6230f7b5def29f167278de
2021-08-19 16:08:17	tonitch	(is it a probleme to do it on gist tho ? it's easier here)
2021-08-19 16:08:25	ioni	hellou
2021-08-19 16:08:40	Namarrgon	pacman -Qqs nvidia | pacman -Qkk -
2021-08-19 16:08:54	thursdaylark	!give ioni welcome
2021-08-19 16:08:55	phrik	ioni: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2021-08-19 16:09:31	tonitch	no erro Namarrgon
2021-08-19 16:09:39	Namarrgon	"ls -l / /usr"
2021-08-19 16:10:08	tonitch	https://gist.github.com/565419af47df5efdb6ea908bc0f971ee
2021-08-19 16:12:19	tonitch	is it possible that the gc burned or something ? I don't know if it is still detected ?
2021-08-19 16:12:25	Namarrgon	tonitch: does lspci -k show that the 'nvidia' module is in use by the nvidia gpu?
2021-08-19 16:12:53	tonitch	~ >>> lspci -k | grep nvidia Kernel driver in use: nvidia Kernel modules: nouveau, nvidia_drm, nvidia
2021-08-19 16:13:21	tonitch	tho, both my screen is on this gc soo it should be fine
2021-08-19 16:13:23	ioni	Namarrgon, nice to see that the new home is very active :)
2021-08-19 16:13:53	grazzolini	ioni: we have fewer people though
2021-08-19 16:14:00	Namarrgon	ioni: it'll be even more active once all the spins moved here, too!
2021-08-19 16:14:52	ioni	cool
2021-08-19 16:14:55	grazzolini	Namarrgon: spins?
2021-08-19 16:15:01	Namarrgon	manjaro etc
2021-08-19 16:15:04	ioni	arch based
2021-08-19 16:15:10	grazzolini	Namarrgon: ah, gotcha
2021-08-19 16:15:23	grazzolini	the people pretending to use arch
2021-08-19 16:15:32	ioni	i use arch btw
2021-08-19 16:15:57	ioni	:)
2021-08-19 16:16:04	Foxboron	fewer people doesn't really matter though. It was probably around 400-500 idlers anyway
2021-08-19 16:17:21	grazzolini	Foxboron: I agree
2021-08-19 16:18:10	tonitch	should I try with nvidia-dkms tho ?
2021-08-19 16:18:33	Namarrgon	tonitch: post the lspci -k output
2021-08-19 16:19:00	Namarrgon	aren't you already using 'nvidia-dkms'?
2021-08-19 16:19:22	tonitch	http://ix.io/3wsd/
2021-08-19 16:19:37	tonitch	no it's nvidia only (and nvidia-lts nvidia-zen)
2021-08-19 16:19:53	tonitch	on archwiki it says nvidia-dkms is for custom kernel
2021-08-19 16:20:08	Namarrgon	where do you get the nvidia-zen package from?
2021-08-19 16:20:45	Namarrgon	the -Qs nvidia output already listed nvidia-dkms
2021-08-19 16:20:56	tonitch	ho, I though it was installed x)
2021-08-19 16:20:58	tonitch	sorry my bad 
2021-08-19 16:21:15	tonitch	then I'm saying bullshit
2021-08-19 16:21:48	Namarrgon	remove nvidia and nvidia-lts and let dkms rebuild the nvidia driver for all kernels
2021-08-19 16:22:46	tonitch	okay
2021-08-19 16:23:01	tonitch	tho I just found that my xorg.conf was from nvidia-xconfig
2021-08-19 16:23:16	tonitch	(ima genius, it's writen in the header)
2021-08-19 16:23:31	Namarrgon	that doesn't explain why you ran nvidia-xconfig
2021-08-19 16:24:15	ioni	when i last time had nvidia, it was enough to install nvidia-utils
2021-08-19 16:24:26	ioni	and it was getting used automatically by xorg
2021-08-19 16:24:40	tonitch	as I said, without this config, my screen is all zoomed in and I don't have a split screen
2021-08-19 16:24:47	tonitch	I think it was the lazy method
2021-08-19 16:24:48	ioni	this days, i run amd and works better 
2021-08-19 16:24:50	tonitch	and still is
2021-08-19 16:25:42	tonitch	I know, I want to buy amd but this is an old setup and I don't have money anymore :'(
2021-08-19 16:26:08	ioni	i got a RX570 with 100€ :))
2021-08-19 16:26:32	tonitch	as I said ^^ no money anymore ^^
2021-08-19 16:26:43	tonitch	I'm a student, 100 is a lot
2021-08-19 16:26:49	ioni	right
2021-08-19 16:27:13	ioni	this days you cannot buy a graphic card that cheap
2021-08-19 16:27:47	tonitch	I reinstalled nvidia-dkms to rebuild and at the end, the output is 
2021-08-19 16:27:49	tonitch	==> dkms install --no-depmod -m nvidia -v 470.63.01
2021-08-19 16:27:49	tonitch	-k 5.10.56-1-lts
2021-08-19 16:27:49	tonitch	==> depmod 5.13.12-zen1-1-zen
2021-08-19 16:27:49	tonitch	==> depmod 5.10.56-1-lts
2021-08-19 16:27:52	tonitch	depmod: WARNING: could not open modules.order at /lib/modules/5.10.56-1-lts: No such file or directory
2021-08-19 16:27:55	tonitch	depmod: WARNING: could not open modules.builtin at /lib/modules/5.10.56-1-lts: No such file or directory
2021-08-19 16:27:57	tonitch	==> depmod 5.13.12-arch1-1
2021-08-19 16:28:16	tonitch	ho, my bad, I uninstalled lts
2021-08-19 16:28:47	tonitch	and baddly
2021-08-19 16:33:45	tonitch	ho
2021-08-19 16:33:50	tonitch	seems to have changed something
2021-08-19 16:35:51	tonitch	everything works again! thanks a lot Namarrgon 
2021-08-19 16:36:17	tonitch	soo if I'm not dumb (hopefully i'm not) I just had to rerun dkms build ?
2021-08-19 16:36:25	tonitch	(even tho I tried)
2021-08-19 16:36:54	Namarrgon	you weren't supprot to have an the binary modules and nvidia-dkms installed at the same time
2021-08-19 16:36:57	Namarrgon	*supposed
2021-08-19 16:37:11	Namarrgon	and the xorg.conf was doing nothing either
2021-08-19 16:38:12	tonitch	ok thanks a lot
2021-08-19 16:47:04	ixil	I'm getting "can't open file xxx. Permission denied" when I try to add a acpitable entry in a qemu cmdline
2021-08-19 16:48:02	thursdaylark	ixil: what is the full command line that doesn't work?
2021-08-19 16:48:27	ixil	the file has my user and the qemu group
2021-08-19 16:48:39	thursdaylark	while you're at it, might as well post a qemu command line that *does* work for comparison
2021-08-19 16:50:29	ixil	thursdaylark: http://ix.io/3wss
2021-08-19 16:50:46	ixil	making a command that works is maybe a good first step 
2021-08-19 16:50:53	thursdaylark	indeed
2021-08-19 16:51:11	thursdaylark	hard to say what's broke if it never worked in the first place :P
2021-08-19 16:51:28	ixil	it is complaining about the system variables and the ocpitable entry (SSDT1.dat)
2021-08-19 16:51:51	thursdaylark	!errors
2021-08-19 16:51:52	phrik	Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2021-08-19 16:52:06	ixil	`qemu-system-x86_64: -acpitable data=/home/ixil/dev/winpassthrough/SSDT1.dat: can't open file /home/ixil/dev/winpassthrough/SSDT1.dat: Permission denied`
2021-08-19 16:53:00	ixil	it's not particularly informative
2021-08-19 16:53:35	ioni	you could test to see if qemu user has access to that file
2021-08-19 16:53:40	ioni	su - qemu
2021-08-19 16:53:46	ioni	file /home/ixil/dev/winpassthrough/SSDT1.dat
2021-08-19 16:53:53	thursdaylark	yeah, what user is this comand being run as?
2021-08-19 16:54:06	thursdaylark	because *that's* the user that needs to have access to the file
2021-08-19 16:54:15	ixil	as a 'qemu' user
2021-08-19 16:54:27	ixil	the files have ixil:qemu as the user:group
2021-08-19 16:54:37	thursdaylark	what are the perms?
2021-08-19 16:55:06	ioni	but you  also have to give at least +x to the group for /home/ixil/dev/winpassthrough
2021-08-19 16:55:11	ioni	the entire path
2021-08-19 16:55:14	ioni	711
2021-08-19 16:55:19	thursdaylark	(the output of `ls -l /path/to/file` will tell us almost everything for this situation)
2021-08-19 16:55:33	thursdaylark	I'm betting your owner and group perms differ
2021-08-19 16:55:40	ixil	`-rw-r--r-- 1 ixil qemu 161 Aug 19 15:15 /home/ixil/dev/winpassthrough/SSDT1.dat`
2021-08-19 16:55:53	ioni	pretty sure /home/ixil has 700
2021-08-19 16:55:55	thursdaylark	yeah, your qemu group doesn't have write access
2021-08-19 16:56:01	ixil	ioni is probably right there
2021-08-19 16:56:31	thursdaylark	and I think you need g+rx for every dir in the tree before it
2021-08-19 16:56:47	ixil	I guess I just move it all somewhere sensible /var/lib/qemu or something
2021-08-19 16:56:54	thursdaylark	which, if this is within your home folder, I'd move it elsewhere :P
2021-08-19 16:56:57	thursdaylark	yesh
2021-08-19 16:56:59	thursdaylark	*yeah
2021-08-19 16:57:06	ixil	ok thanks, I'll give that a go
2021-08-19 16:57:36	ixil	var/lib or somewhere else?
2021-08-19 16:57:44	ioni	ixil, i know i'm right, i'm using arch in the past 15 years
2021-08-19 16:57:45	ioni	lol
2021-08-19 16:58:17	ixil	ioni I don't think you're not right, I am just expecting to run into other errors in my usage related to something else :p
2021-08-19 16:58:25	ixil	that's a lot of negatives
2021-08-19 16:58:43	ioni	be positive
2021-08-19 16:58:52	ioni	only negative if you are doing a covid test
2021-08-19 17:00:00	thursdaylark	ixil: what is that file for?
2021-08-19 17:00:09	thursdaylark	efi binary or something?
2021-08-19 17:00:23	ixil	I'm trying to passthrough my laptops dGPU to windows so I can do some CAD work
2021-08-19 17:00:47	ixil	the OVMF data is for the bios variables
2021-08-19 17:00:50	ixil	afaik
2021-08-19 17:01:15	ixil	the acpi table entry is to make it look like the dGPU is to make it look like the laptop is properly powered
2021-08-19 17:01:30	ixil	otherwise it gets throttle it to death
2021-08-19 17:01:49	ixil	at least that's what peoples random gists and blog posts tell me
2021-08-19 17:01:53	thursdaylark	Hmm... I did this not too long ago... Gonna see where I put it :P
2021-08-19 17:02:49	ixil	also gpu rom I finally managed to extract - I had tried this passthrough months ago and given up
2021-08-19 17:03:18	ixil	I'm hoping to have more success this time round
2021-08-19 17:06:58	ixil	how can I passthrough my nvme device with the proper permissions? should I add qemu to the disk group?
2021-08-19 17:07:10	ixil	or do some udev magic?
2021-08-19 17:07:22	thursdaylark	Are you wanting to pass the whole pci device?
2021-08-19 17:07:49	thursdaylark	because it would be the same process as passing your graphics card, which is also a pci device
2021-08-19 17:08:17	ixil	well it's probably a stupid thing to do, but pass the drive, but only boot from the first partition
2021-08-19 17:08:24	ixil	I have a physical windows partition
2021-08-19 17:08:50	ixil	but it's the same physical disk as my arch system
2021-08-19 17:12:56	thursdaylark	well, if you need other partitions to be accessible to the linux kernel, then passing the pci device is not an option
2021-08-19 17:15:06	thursdaylark	As for getting that one partition attached to your vm properly: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/QEMU#Using_any_real_partition_as_the_single_primary_partition_of_a_hard_disk_image
2021-08-19 17:15:07	phrik	Title: QEMU - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-19 17:15:17	Hello71	just unbind and rebind the device every time you need to access it
2021-08-19 17:15:20	Hello71	what could go wrong
2021-08-19 17:16:46	ixil	I'm just adding qemu to the disk group,  I can't say fully get ACL vs permissions etc
2021-08-19 17:16:55	thursdaylark	indeed, the sisyphean option is always there :P
2021-08-19 17:17:21	thursdaylark	Oh, yeah, if you're fine with group membership, forget about ACL's
2021-08-19 17:17:25	ixil	It's the same device, just a different partition so I don't think the rebind option is availble right?
2021-08-19 17:28:00	thursdaylark	Ahh found it
2021-08-19 17:28:25	thursdaylark	I put my vars in /var/lib/libvirt/qemu/nvram/
2021-08-19 17:29:01	thursdaylark	and it's been forever since I did that in the first place, so don't ask why :P
2021-08-19 17:31:08	ixil	I think I am about to realise this was all for naught thanks to some realtime windows kernel crap
2021-08-19 17:31:17	thursdaylark	oof
2021-08-19 17:31:26	thursdaylark	F
2021-08-19 17:31:47	ixil	I get greenscreens (instead of blue for some reason) in my windows partition anyway
2021-08-19 17:31:49	ixil	lets see
2021-08-19 17:33:19	thursdaylark	Unrelated, but apparently the color of the bsod was somewhat arbitrary
2021-08-19 17:33:38	thursdaylark	it just needed to make a kernel-panic'd machine stand out in a lab :P
2021-08-19 17:37:15	drl	I installed rofi-wifi-menu. It finds many many SSID's owned by neighbors, but not our own, even though we all use AT&T. Why can't it find our own?
2021-08-19 17:37:45	ixil	thursdaylark: makes sense
2021-08-19 17:39:45	baltazaar	drl: have you set your regulatory domain? maybe your wifi is on channel 13, which is illegal to use in some regions, so it's disabled if the domain is unset
2021-08-19 17:42:44	shem	a delightul verb in english is "to bsod"
2021-08-19 17:45:09	shem	i wonder if it means something in welsh or serbian
2021-08-19 17:53:28	ixil	I guess I shall restart, and if that doesn't solve my issues - give up
2021-08-19 18:11:46	ixil	m'gawd - it boots
2021-08-19 18:13:13	ixil	no gpu passthrough though - I'll have to patch the edk bios thingo
2021-08-19 18:13:38	ixil	but it's suprisingly snappy , so that's good
2021-08-19 18:17:47	docmax	grawity, nodm did it
2021-08-19 18:19:50	MrElendig	some windows versions had a black bsod
2021-08-19 18:26:01	shem	the last time i had windows in a personal computer was 1992. ever since i've relished its foibles
2021-08-19 18:26:30	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-19 18:30:59	shem	i guess it's good service to be able to colour panic to one's taste
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2021-08-19 18:50:05	ℹ 	baltazaar es conocido ahora como baltazar
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2021-08-19 18:54:54	artefact_	can i change dm-cache policy (or just dm tables) at runtime with dmsetup, without unmounting/remounting filesystems?
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2021-08-19 18:57:49	Ingar	can I use a custom proton build as a drop-in wine replacement to run games ?
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2021-08-19 18:57:54	Ingar	or is it tied to steam in some way
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2021-08-19 19:10:07	artefact_	never mind, you can, dmsetup suspend then reload then resume works
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2021-08-19 19:13:18	susi	I have a file in /etc/udev/rules.d with "SUBSYSTEM=="power_supply", ATTR{status}=="Discharging", ATTR{capacity}=="[0-3]", RUN+="/usr/bin/shutdown -h now"", but it does not work... computer does not shutdown when battery capacity gets that low
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2021-08-19 19:20:10	thursdaylark	if that's how you used double quotes, then your problem is quoting
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2021-08-19 19:24:28	ℹ 	bhava1 es conocido ahora como bhava
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2021-08-19 19:26:17	susi	now, there's no initial and final " "
2021-08-19 19:26:28	susi	were just for quoting, heh
2021-08-19 19:27:00	mpan	susi: are you actually seeing any udev event while the battery discharges to that event? It’s not like udev continously probes every device on the system for its attributes.
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2021-08-19 19:53:40	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
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2021-08-19 19:47:37	susi	fuu
2021-08-19 19:48:27	mpan	… looking at the reaction, I assume no event is taking place. ;)
2021-08-19 19:49:08	susi	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Laptop#Hibernate_on_low_battery_level
2021-08-19 19:49:09	phrik	Title: Laptop - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-19 19:49:19	susi	but yeah, "if your battery sends events"... :(
2021-08-19 19:49:32	susi	life sucks
2021-08-19 19:49:33	mpan	susi:  “If your battery sends events to udev whenever it (dis)charges by 1%”
2021-08-19 19:49:36	mpan	Yeah
2021-08-19 19:49:51	artefact_	just poll every $x minutes
2021-08-19 19:49:56	mpan	But the very same page delivers a solution that polls for the events.
2021-08-19 19:53:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-19 20:38:03	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2021-08-19 20:13:52	susi	lol paloipa ne oudosti
2021-08-19 20:13:59	susi	eka suli sellaseks tervaks...
2021-08-19 20:14:01	susi	sit sytty palamaan
2021-08-19 20:14:03	susi	huh 
2021-08-19 20:14:21	susi	ois  pitany olla kukkaaki eika pelkkaa hartz
2021-08-19 20:14:28	Betal	wrong chat?
2021-08-19 20:14:39	susi	aika hyvat savut enivei, huh
2021-08-19 20:14:51	susi	oho
2021-08-19 20:14:52	susi	sorry
2021-08-19 20:15:21	thursdaylark	!bufferfail
2021-08-19 20:15:22	phrik	 0  DAYS SINCE THE LAST BUFFER FAILURE: Recipient safety is our union goal!
2021-08-19 20:15:30	susi	I got high from good weed and got confused...
2021-08-19 20:15:54	thursdaylark	that is the common sequence for those events
2021-08-19 20:16:47	Betal	people also don't recommend to use root or sudo in this case
2021-08-19 20:18:04	thursdaylark	sudo should be included in those warnings about operating heavy machinery after taking certain medications 
2021-08-19 20:18:49	Casper	thursdaylark, and you think that will stop them from just putting sudo in front of any machinery operations? :p
2021-08-19 20:19:21	thursdaylark	heavy machinery is the sudo of physics
2021-08-19 20:20:01	MrElendig	thursdaylark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpouLO-GXLo
2021-08-19 20:20:05	MrElendig	slightly related
2021-08-19 20:20:39	thursdaylark	lol noice
2021-08-19 20:20:46	⚡ 	thursdaylark bookmarks
2021-08-19 20:38:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-19 20:51:50	ℹ 	Alakzadeh es conocido ahora como Alak
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2021-08-19 20:54:24	tsdh	Does ssh provide a way to execute a command on the remote in the newly spawned login shell?
2021-08-19 20:55:22	tsdh	Because I always do "ssh my-remote" and then "tmux a || tmux" on the remote.  It would be nice to automate that.
2021-08-19 20:55:49	thursdaylark	yep, lemme find an example
2021-08-19 20:56:41	thursdaylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/OpenSSH#Run_command_at_login
2021-08-19 20:56:42	phrik	Title: OpenSSH - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-19 20:56:46	thursdaylark	that'll do
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2021-08-19 21:02:52	tsdh	thursdaylark: Thanks!
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2021-08-19 21:18:29	ixil	when will computers be able to read my mind/intentions so I can just be bad and it still works?
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2021-08-19 21:19:33	grazzolini	tsdh: just one thing, using a ssh rc file is *before* the shell, not after.
2021-08-19 21:19:55	grazzolini	so, it leaves you mostly with the shell rc option (.bashrc, etc)
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2021-08-19 21:28:05	thursdaylark	ixil: https://archlinux.org/packages/community/any/thefuck/
2021-08-19 21:28:07	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - thefuck 3.31-1 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2021-08-19 21:28:12	thursdaylark	!next
2021-08-19 21:28:12	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2021-08-19 21:37:10	tsdh	grazzolini: Yes, I've noticed that. ;-)
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2021-08-19 21:38:24	tsdh	grazzolini: So I've put instead `if test -n "$SSH_TTY"; tmux attach || tmux; end` in my config.fish on the remote machin.
2021-08-19 21:39:09	grazzolini	tsdh: yes, that's how I used to do it too. I think I used SSH_CONNECTION though
2021-08-19 21:39:39	tsdh	grazzolini: Yeah, both seem to be defined only when ssh-ed into the machine.
2021-08-19 21:40:02	grazzolini	tsdh: SSH_TTY is probably better for detecting interactive stuff.
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2021-08-19 21:40:26	tsdh	grazzolini: Oh, are you the Arch gcc package maintainer?
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2021-08-19 21:40:46	grazzolini	tsdh: trying to be, yes
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2021-08-19 21:41:21	tsdh	Hehe, I have no reason to complain. :-)
2021-08-19 21:43:04	ℹ 	Lord_of_Life_ es conocido ahora como Lord_of_Life
2021-08-19 21:43:10	tsdh	But a question: where do you store your PKGBUILDs before they go into the packages svn repo?
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2021-08-19 21:44:22	tsdh	Assuming one might want to test gcc 11.2 before it becomes available to the masses.
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2021-08-19 21:49:27	grazzolini	tsdh: on my machine
2021-08-19 21:49:51	grazzolini	tsdh: and, you can become a tester to do that
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2021-08-19 23:24:58	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1271 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1271 normals)
2021-08-19 22:21:12	Hello71	s/works/is broken/
2021-08-19 22:21:15	lucenera	I confirm that sometimes it happens if I forget to insert the flash drive at startup: then everything goes to hell.
2021-08-19 22:21:19	ixil	if you are dual booting windows it can reorder the uefi order
2021-08-19 22:21:37	lucenera	I don't use Windows thank God.
2021-08-19 22:22:42	ixil	sadly most engineering software lives in windows
2021-08-19 22:22:43	brocellous	Hot damn debuginfod sounds like the coolest thing since sliced bread
2021-08-19 22:22:45	Namarrgon	lucenera: did you install grub with --removable?
2021-08-19 22:23:10	lucenera	Here of I should always bring with me 3 keys, in order: 1 yubikey to validate access, 1 key with encrypted disk header and partition /boot and 1 key to restore GRUB. 
2021-08-19 22:23:19	Namarrgon	if you did then you don't have to rely on the nvram entry and can select the "device" in the firmware's bootmenu
2021-08-19 22:23:25	lucenera	Namarrgon no. 
2021-08-19 22:23:25	Foxboron	brocellous: We know
2021-08-19 22:24:25	Foxboron	lucenera: half of that is just security teather and can be doner more secure in a simpler fashion.
2021-08-19 22:24:29	Foxboron	done*
2021-08-19 22:25:03	lucenera	Foxboron how?
2021-08-19 22:25:20	Foxboron	lucenera: secure boot and TPMs
2021-08-19 22:25:25	Foxboron	lucenera: look at systemd-cryptenroll
2021-08-19 22:25:52	lucenera	I've read some, but still too cumbersome for me.
2021-08-19 22:26:28	Foxboron	and 3 keys is somehow easier?
2021-08-19 22:26:51	lucenera	and also much more fashionable ;)
2021-08-19 22:27:17	lucenera	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Trusted_Platform_Module
2021-08-19 22:27:18	phrik	Title: Trusted Platform Module - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-19 22:27:31	lucenera	This stuff?
2021-08-19 22:27:35	Foxboron	Yes.
2021-08-19 22:28:10	ixil	isn't TPM meant to be backdoored?
2021-08-19 22:29:21	Foxboron	ixil: what?
2021-08-19 22:30:31	ixil	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module#Attacks
2021-08-19 22:30:32	phrik	Title: Trusted Platform Module - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2021-08-19 22:30:55	Foxboron	Yes there have been security issues with the TPMs, just like any other security mechanism.
2021-08-19 22:30:59	lucenera	How do I go from my current configuration to that stuff? Do I have to reinstall everything?
2021-08-19 22:31:19	Foxboron	ixil: but the issue is "meant to be backdoored".
2021-08-19 22:31:32	Foxboron	lucenera: depends on your setup and what you want.
2021-08-19 22:32:50	ixil	Foxboron, I phrased it poorly
2021-08-19 22:33:17	ixil	there was also: https://lenews.ch/2020/02/12/the-swiss-company-that-spied-on-the-world/ which is very dated
2021-08-19 22:33:19	phrik	Title: The Swiss company that spied on the world (at lenews.ch)
2021-08-19 22:33:55	Foxboron	ixil: How is telecommunication equipment from the 90s relevant for TPMs?
2021-08-19 22:34:57	ixil	well some company makes them, why should infineon be any different
2021-08-19 22:35:54	Foxboron	If your concern is global threat actors where the company itself is an adversary you are better off burning your computer and forego any security measures since they are all "useless"
2021-08-19 22:36:01	Foxboron	but some of us do have realistic threat models.
2021-08-19 22:36:48	thrice	Yeah, design and fabricate your own boards, and run openbsd in your basement
2021-08-19 22:37:52	ixil	Foxboron: sure, but under a threatmodel that you're not james bond, I would've thought standard luks is good enough
2021-08-19 22:38:27	Foxboron	ixil: We are discussing two things. Disk encryption is one part of a secure boot chain.
2021-08-19 22:38:28	MrElendig	in memory key attacks are not that rare in the wild
2021-08-19 22:38:45	Foxboron	The second part is actually attesting what you are booting.
2021-08-19 22:40:04	ixil	I was mostly rambling, but your points are the main thing
2021-08-19 22:40:51	Foxboron	ixil: I dislike FUD in this space because they are premeditated on the disingious argument that "anything can be subverted" and there is no such thing as "perfect security"
2021-08-19 22:41:19	ixil	question, if you're not james bond, does having a completely separated encrypted disk header (not just for backup) serve much purpose?
2021-08-19 22:41:22	Foxboron	But you can strive for perfectly fine security measures and have something useable as well
2021-08-19 22:41:50	ixil	Foxboron: sure - I'm just thinking of my friend who bought solar panels and was told the firmware needs an internet connection 
2021-08-19 22:42:18	ixil	and there was no option without it - so they wrote their own firmware
2021-08-19 22:42:54	Foxboron	I have no clue why anyone would hide metadata about their encrypted partition. Modern encryption should be completely transparent and perfectly safe
2021-08-19 22:44:59	MrElendig	it doesn't even give you plausable deniability
2021-08-19 22:45:11	MrElendig	(despite what all the blogposts claims)
2021-08-19 22:45:16	ixil	it doesn't?
2021-08-19 22:45:35	ixil	can't you claim you walked next to an mri machine by accident?
2021-08-19 22:45:38	MrElendig	no one is going to believe you when you claim that you just happen to have this disk with 2tb of random data as the only disk in your machine
2021-08-19 22:45:56	MrElendig	they will just bring out the hammer and aim at your fingers
2021-08-19 22:46:13	Foxboron	Well
2021-08-19 22:46:35	Foxboron	No need to bring the hammer, you can't mount that claim sensibly in any court without the judge and technical witnesses laughing at you
2021-08-19 22:46:46	ixil	I guess one reason to do so is if a state actor makes a copy of your disk they can attack it in 10 years time with a quantum computer or something
2021-08-19 22:47:10	ixil	Foxboron: you are probably giving too much credit judges in these situations
2021-08-19 22:47:13	MrElendig	header being there or not is not going to make a difference
2021-08-19 22:47:25	Foxboron	State actors wanting your data is getting your data
2021-08-19 22:47:32	Foxboron	if the header is the make or break then you have other problems
2021-08-19 22:47:55	MrElendig	a thing it will do however is make you accidentally overwrite the data in 6 years time when you find the random unmarked disk in your drawer
2021-08-19 22:48:21	MrElendig	"oh it has nothing on it, can't be important then"
2021-08-19 22:48:45	Foxboron	The USB stick with the header is in *some drawer* with the 100 other unmarked USBs
2021-08-19 22:48:46	MrElendig	lots of bitcoins have been lost that way (was a story about it last year)
2021-08-19 22:49:05	ixil	random question, nfs or smb for sharing files with a windows guest machine?
2021-08-19 22:49:22	Mysterytrain	smb
2021-08-19 22:49:33	MrElendig	encrypted external drive containing a wallet with *a lot* of bitcoins got wiped because there was nothing marking it as anything but an empty disk
2021-08-19 22:49:35	MrElendig	whoops
2021-08-19 22:49:54	ixil	good, bitcoin is a waste of electricity
2021-08-19 22:50:02	Mysterytrain	they all are
2021-08-19 22:50:20	MrElendig	ixil: you would probably be a bit upset if you lost a few 100m€ worth of bitcoin
2021-08-19 22:50:28	ixil	yes I would be
2021-08-19 22:51:32	ixil	but I did hold off on the $39k aliexpress deal for mining rigs due to my ethical high-horsing
2021-08-19 22:53:53	ixil	I feel I have a problem with linux - I spend hours trying to make things work just the way I want it, so I can never use them in the future anyway, and then wonder why I've done no work
2021-08-19 23:07:39	bleb	anyone have an alternative to kodi that they like?  i want something without ui animations, and ideally something that lets me correct metadata that the scrapers get wrong.
2021-08-19 23:07:42	bleb	i was thinking of using a file browser and mpv and scripting something to remember what i've watched and the video positions
2021-08-19 23:08:02	bleb	(x-post #voidlinux)
2021-08-19 23:08:24	krobelus	where can I find the repo with PKGBUILD sources? It used to be at https://git.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git, but now I'm getting a redirect to gitlab.archlinux.org - didn't find the "packages" repo though
2021-08-19 23:08:26	phrik	Title: Groups · Explore · GitLab (at git.archlinux.org)
2021-08-19 23:08:49	krobelus	(Probably we should update https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Build_System#Retrieve_PKGBUILD_source with the answer)
2021-08-19 23:08:51	phrik	Title: Arch Build System - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-19 23:09:07	MrElendig	krobelus: archlinux.org/packages some package, show source
2021-08-19 23:09:19	MrElendig	tl;dr its on gh because gitlab sucks
2021-08-19 23:09:45	bleb	>using gh because gitlab sucks
2021-08-19 23:09:56	MrElendig	bleb: performance issues
2021-08-19 23:10:01	bleb	wouldnt you want to use something that sucks _less_ than gitlab, not more?
2021-08-19 23:10:16	MrElendig	gh handles large projects "fine"
2021-08-19 23:10:26	krobelus	thanks
2021-08-19 23:10:36	MrElendig	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages
2021-08-19 23:10:47	bleb	github is a disgrace
2021-08-19 23:10:52	MrElendig	bleb: but it works
2021-08-19 23:11:13	bleb	file browsing doesnt
2021-08-19 23:11:30	bleb	if you wanted something that actually works you would use plain git and mailing lists
2021-08-19 23:11:36	bleb	maybe cgit for web frontend
2021-08-19 23:12:02	MrElendig	cgit is "not great", and mailing lists didn't cut it
2021-08-19 23:12:20	krobelus	Yeah I wouldn't use the Web UI for such large projects like packages
2021-08-19 23:12:23	bleb	oh they didn't cut it?
2021-08-19 23:12:46	MrElendig	not for arch, no
2021-08-19 23:12:48	bleb	what does that mean
2021-08-19 23:13:17	MrElendig	too much human overhead etc
2021-08-19 23:13:23	bleb	what
2021-08-19 23:14:04	baltazar	(gitea?)
2021-08-19 23:14:21	MrElendig	easier to manage projects when you have a proper issue tracker etc
2021-08-19 23:14:24	kevr	bleb: that's what they already used.
2021-08-19 23:14:30	kevr	pure repositories, cgit
2021-08-19 23:14:37	kevr	there's a reason they wanted something else
2021-08-19 23:15:05	MrElendig	harder to audit mailing lists too
2021-08-19 23:15:41	MrElendig	(and various security aspects)
2021-08-19 23:15:49	kevr	personally, i have two repo setups in my home network, one gitlab, and one just pure repos + cgit, i find myself wanting to use gitlab all of the time.
2021-08-19 23:16:09	bleb	<MrElendig> harder to audit mailing lists too
2021-08-19 23:16:15	bleb	how so
2021-08-19 23:16:16	MrElendig	I use gitea locally because its less of a pain to set up than cgit :p
2021-08-19 23:16:35	bleb	arent mailing lists way easier to download and process with arbitrary scripts
2021-08-19 23:17:13	MrElendig	bleb: trawling trough mailing lists takes much more work than having everything presented directly in a nice web interface
2021-08-19 23:17:22	kevr	bleb: GitLab allows you to link between different issues, link to commits, link to MRs, link to.. almost anything on gitlab, that doesn't really exist with a mailing list unless someone decides to implement a wrapper, and that gets nasty quick
2021-08-19 23:17:30	kevr	It allows you to do a lot that can speed up productivity.
2021-08-19 23:17:51	kevr	arch already did that with the whole bug thing and mailing lists, with the [FS#....] tag thing
2021-08-19 23:17:54	bleb	MrElendig: what can that possibly mean... there are web interfaces to mailing lists, and native interfaces which are even better than any web interface
2021-08-19 23:17:54	MrElendig	not to mention intigrate with testing frameworks etc
2021-08-19 23:18:10	kevr	but even that is a hassle, and that doesn't even come close to what gitlab gives
2021-08-19 23:18:29	bleb	how quickly can you grep the entire corpus of github pull request discussions
2021-08-19 23:18:42	bleb	you can grep mailing list archives in seconds
2021-08-19 23:18:46	kevr	what are you grepping for?
2021-08-19 23:18:52	bleb	idk
2021-08-19 23:18:57	kevr	lol
2021-08-19 23:19:06	bleb	just surprised MrElendig said "auditability" was a plus for github
2021-08-19 23:19:09	kevr	it is
2021-08-19 23:19:19	kevr	because frankly, everything is just more straightforward and easily accessible
2021-08-19 23:19:20	bleb	especially since posts can be edited and deleted, such that they can't be reviewed
2021-08-19 23:19:25	thursdaylark	contrarian is being contrarian 
2021-08-19 23:19:26	MrElendig	bleb: issue tracking is not on gh though
2021-08-19 23:19:34	MrElendig	bleb: so no it wasn't
2021-08-19 23:19:41	MrElendig	issue tracking and discussions*
2021-08-19 23:19:50	bleb	no what wasn't
2021-08-19 23:20:04	thursdaylark	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiYO1TObNz8
2021-08-19 23:20:15	kevr	we have a bugtracker
2021-08-19 23:20:18	kevr	bugs.archlinux.org
2021-08-19 23:20:32	kevr	a very crusty flyspray installation, posts can be deleted and edited there too.
2021-08-19 23:20:40	thursdaylark	TL;DW: old man yells at cloud, news at 11
2021-08-19 23:20:47	CrustY	kevr: ;)
2021-08-19 23:20:51	kevr	;)
2021-08-19 23:21:06	MrElendig	moving off flyspray have been wip for years :p
2021-08-19 23:21:24	MrElendig	may finally happen in this decade
2021-08-19 23:21:29	MrElendig	might*
2021-08-19 23:22:00	kevr	i'm going to steal the aurweb bugtracker archive and put it over into gitlab issues with the migration thing shortly after the port
2021-08-19 23:22:18	kevr	probably in about a month
2021-08-19 23:23:57	bleb	<kevr> bleb: GitLab allows you to link between different issues, link to commits, link to MRs, link to.. almost anything on gitlab, that doesn't really exist with a mailing list unless someone decides to implement a wrapper, and that gets nasty quick
2021-08-19 23:24:19	bleb	kevr: if each of those things has a web interface, you can easily link to them
2021-08-19 23:24:33	bleb	no need for a wrapper
2021-08-19 23:24:43	kevr	go use mailing lists for a month, then use gitlab for a month with good organization
2021-08-19 23:24:43	bleb	I don't know what a MR is though
2021-08-19 23:24:45	kevr	then report back
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2021-08-19 23:58:11	bleb	kevr: presumably I'm allowed to use good organization on mailing lists too?
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2021-08-19 23:41:27	bleb	sure
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2021-08-20 01:31:12	blinux	What font is displayed between the two years in this youtube title? I'm getting a tofu/domino font: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3EVHCkP2GY
2021-08-20 01:31:48	ixil	inspector says: FortiFlora Mishka 20112012
2021-08-20 01:32:30	blinux	That shows the same symbol in IRC. Can you see it correctly?
2021-08-20 01:33:13	thrice	what is it supposed to be?
2021-08-20 01:33:51	blinux	I don't know, I can't see it.
2021-08-20 01:34:13	thrice	https://i.imgur.com/zif77Mq.png
2021-08-20 01:34:20	kevr	i don't have a font that supports that character
2021-08-20 01:34:26	kevr	must be a whack character
2021-08-20 01:34:38	⚡ 	kevr hides the fact that his system doesn't have the font behind blame
2021-08-20 01:34:52	blinux	I installed like a dozen different font packs a while back.
2021-08-20 01:35:07	thrice	that's what mine shows
2021-08-20 01:35:24	thrice	hm, nothing in chromium though
2021-08-20 01:35:26	kevr	it shows in weechat
2021-08-20 01:35:29	kevr	but it doesnt show in browser
2021-08-20 01:36:36	kevr	thrice: I like your desktop!
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2021-08-20 01:57:26	ice9	is there away to disable laptop thermal throttling?
2021-08-20 02:06:48	SponiX	lol
2021-08-20 02:07:06	boyne	try tlp
2021-08-20 02:07:17	thrice	are you sure you know more than your firmware
2021-08-20 02:07:31	SponiX	like... its doing that for a "reason"
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2021-08-20 03:31:18	eternal_floof	My computer stopped booting :(  It says failed to mount /var and drops me in a maintenance shell. However, in the shell, /var is mounted properly. I'm using LVM to map /dev/mapper/foo/var to var
2021-08-20 03:31:53	eternal_floof	cat /proc/mounts looks fine, and /etc/fstab has the correct entry. Any ideas?
2021-08-20 03:31:55	ShapeShifter499	hi
2021-08-20 03:34:12	alschaapman	Can you exit the maintenance shell and continue the boot?
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2021-08-20 03:50:46	alschaapman	Namarrgon: It's intended to make it easier to add systemd units into an initramfs, basically
2021-08-20 03:51:13	ShapeShifter499	Namarrgon: when you connect via ssh it prompts for the passphrase but if it times out it will ask if you want to reboot or enter a system shell. 
2021-08-20 03:51:15	Namarrgon	yes but i don't know how it implements the shell and interacts with the "default" units 
2021-08-20 03:51:17	alschaapman	Besides just adding units, I think it can also automate certain tasks based on ordering dependencies across early boot all the way up to the running system
2021-08-20 03:51:31	alschaapman	Oh. Well, I have no idea about that
2021-08-20 03:52:02	ShapeShifter499	initrd-switch-root service is listed as inactive (dead)
2021-08-20 03:52:04	alschaapman	I have been meaning to fiddle around with encrypted file system unlocking via SSH, but there's a separate set of tools for dracut
2021-08-20 03:53:01	ShapeShifter499	Namarrgon: starting that service immediately kicks me out and the system appears to boot
2021-08-20 03:53:39	Namarrgon	i didn't mean the service unit but okay
2021-08-20 03:53:55	ShapeShifter499	was I supposed to start it?
2021-08-20 03:54:33	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd#Targets
2021-08-20 03:54:34	phrik	Title: systemd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-20 03:56:03	ShapeShifter499	I'm not sure what isolate means here
2021-08-20 03:56:42	ixil	how do I reset my pam authentication failures?
2021-08-20 03:56:44	ixil	pam_tally?
2021-08-20 03:57:30	Namarrgon	"man pam_faillock"
2021-08-20 03:57:41	Namarrgon	ShapeShifter499: "man systemd.target"
2021-08-20 03:57:50	eternal_floof	alschaapman: If I umount /var then I do see other random things. /var/lib contains things like colord, dbus, mysql. Can you help explain how to use https://0x0.st/-ygx.conf
2021-08-20 03:58:27	eternal_floof	Otherwise, what I'm thinking is just to move all of the data from my /var volume into root, and forgetting this idea
2021-08-20 03:59:12	alschaapman	eternal_floof: systemctl edit var.mount
2021-08-20 03:59:32	alschaapman	eternal_floof: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd#Drop-in_files
2021-08-20 03:59:33	phrik	Title: systemd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-20 03:59:43	eternal_floof	ty
2021-08-20 04:00:00	ShapeShifter499	so do I understand that it's just a way to make sure everything required has been started for a service?
2021-08-20 04:00:25	alschaapman	Worth noting that drop-in files can modify the behavior of *generated* systemd units (as is the case with .mount units generated from fstab), as well as regular units
2021-08-20 04:00:33	Namarrgon	it's there to make sure that certain other units were started/stopped
2021-08-20 04:00:47	ShapeShifter499	that's what I mean
2021-08-20 04:05:26	ShapeShifter499	well that works it seems
2021-08-20 04:06:02	ShapeShifter499	so if I get a shell, ensure root partition is actually decrypted and then kickstart "initrd-switch-root" with system isolate
2021-08-20 04:06:09	ShapeShifter499	*systemd isolate
2021-08-20 04:06:14	ShapeShifter499	*systemctl
2021-08-20 04:06:19	ShapeShifter499	sorry 
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2021-08-20 04:24:43	eternal_floof	yes, I cleared it out. The mounted /var looks normal. If I umount, then /var is now empty, so that's an improvement over before
2021-08-20 04:24:59	alschaapman	Wait, /var on the root fs is empty?
2021-08-20 04:25:13	alschaapman	What's the error message when the initramfs initially fails to mount it then?
2021-08-20 04:25:15	eternal_floof	yeah, now it is
2021-08-20 04:27:26	eternal_floof	Starting LVM Activation.... pvscan complete... activating swap. mounting /var....; mount: /var: mount(2) system call failed: File exists.
2021-08-20 04:27:45	eternal_floof	var.mount: Mount process exited, code=exited, status=32/n/a
2021-08-20 04:27:52	alschaapman	That's not the same error as before, is it?
2021-08-20 04:30:24	eternal_floof	yeah, it no longer says it's non-empty, mounting anyways
2021-08-20 04:30:30	eternal_floof	but the error code is the same
2021-08-20 04:31:30	alschaapman	Searched your error message/exit status from mount
2021-08-20 04:31:32	alschaapman	https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/537029/error-for-mount-system-call-failed-file-exists
2021-08-20 04:31:33	phrik	Title: lvm - Error for `mount`: `system call failed: File exists.` - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2021-08-20 04:32:19	alschaapman	Also, why LVM and not subvolumes?
2021-08-20 04:32:54	alschaapman	I think maybe there are some limitations around setting different mount options for subvolumes. I wonder if this made you want to use separate logical volumes
2021-08-20 04:33:33	alschaapman	I think my main takeaway here is that LVM + Btrfs can be tricky
2021-08-20 04:34:07	eternal_floof	alschaapman hey that did it! btrfstune -m
2021-08-20 04:34:16	eternal_floof	from the SO post
2021-08-20 04:35:40	eternal_floof	Yeah, I think how I got in this state is I was trying to play around with LVM snapshots to make backups (I forgot about this because I didn't reboot for awhile). It wasn't working super well so I just switched to btrfs snapshots. Something must have made the two systems unhappy.
2021-08-20 04:36:19	eternal_floof	I ... am decidedly not an expert on LVM and btrfs - My idea was to use LVM to make resizing and moving around easier in the future, but I've never used it nor btrfs outside of toying around before
2021-08-20 04:36:41	alschaapman	Snapshots? Are your logical volumes thin provisioned?
2021-08-20 04:38:12	eternal_floof	no. All on one disk, just created via: lvcreate -L60G volume -n var or similar
2021-08-20 04:39:33	alschaapman	Are "thick" LVM snapshots even copy-on-write?
2021-08-20 04:39:37	vd	hi roxxors -- any idea why downloads from a local `python -m http.server` instance is reaaaally slow?
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2021-08-20 05:11:48	buttermelted	hi, i would like to check if cmake uses -march=native
2021-08-20 05:12:45	sheep	it think it only does that if you have it in cflags
2021-08-20 05:12:47	buttermelted	since its a simulation program
2021-08-20 05:13:10	buttermelted	i do have it in makepkg but i am not sure if it uses it
2021-08-20 05:13:42	sheep	are you building with makepkg?
2021-08-20 05:13:45	buttermelted	usr/bin/gfortran -fPIC -O3 -DNDEBUG -O3  -shared -Wl,-soname,libxbeam.so -o libxbeam.so CMakeFiles/xbeam.dir/src/cbeam3_asbly.f90.o CMakeFiles/xbeam.dir/src/cbeam3_interface.f90.o CMakeFiles/xbeam.dir/src/cbeam3_solv.f90.o CMakeFiles/xbeam.dir/src/debug_utils.f90.o CMakeFiles/xbeam.dir/src/xbeam_asbly.f90.o CMakeFiles/xbeam.dir/src/xbeam_base/lib_bgeom.f90.o
2021-08-20 05:13:45	buttermelted	CMakeFiles/xbeam.dir/src/xbeam_base/lib_cbeam3.f90.o 
2021-08-20 05:13:45	buttermelted	CMakeFiles/xbeam.dir/src/xbeam_base/lib_fem.f90.o CMakeFiles/xbeam.dir/src/xbeam_base/lib_lu.f90.o CMakeFiles/xbeam.dir/src/xbeam_base/lib_mat.f90.o CMakeFiles/xbeam.dir/src/xbeam_base/lib_out.f90.o CMakeFiles/xbeam.dir/src/xbeam_base/lib_perturb.f90.o CMakeFiles/xbeam.dir/src/xbeam_base/lib_rot.f90.o CMakeFiles/xbeam.dir/src/xbeam_base/lib_rotvect.f90.o CMakeFiles/xbeam.dir/src/xbeam_ba
2021-08-20 05:14:24	buttermelted	thats from the output, as far as i know gfortran supports -march=native too
2021-08-20 05:15:17	buttermelted	no
2021-08-20 05:15:42	sheep	cmake does not obey makepkg.conf unless you're running makepkg
2021-08-20 05:16:05	sheep	and I think it uses FFLAGS, not CFLAGS, for fortran compiler flags
2021-08-20 05:16:57	buttermelted	i greped for march in the src tree
2021-08-20 05:17:01	buttermelted	or build tree
2021-08-20 05:17:10	buttermelted	nothing found
2021-08-20 05:17:37	buttermelted	found it
2021-08-20 05:17:40	buttermelted	lib/UVLM/CMakeFiles/uvlm.dir/flags.make
2021-08-20 05:19:00	sheep	then it's most likely not using -march=native
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2021-08-20 07:03:02	chipps	Hi, I have moved from one country to another. How can I change my timezone to my current time?
2021-08-20 07:03:02	randoZee	timedatectl list-timezones
2021-08-20 07:03:02	randoZee	timedatectl set-timezone Zone/SubZone
2021-08-20 07:03:02	randoZee	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_time#Time_zone
2021-08-20 07:03:02	phrik	Title: System time - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-20 07:03:02	randoZee	Follow allong the wiki. 
2021-08-20 07:03:02	randoZee	Simple enough 
2021-08-20 07:03:02	ℹ 	thursdaylark es conocido ahora como thurstylark
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2021-08-20 06:56:14	chipps	Hi, I have moved from one country to another. How can I change my timezone to my current time?
2021-08-20 06:57:51	randoZee	timedatectl list-timezones
2021-08-20 06:57:58	randoZee	timedatectl set-timezone Zone/SubZone
2021-08-20 06:58:04	randoZee	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_time#Time_zone
2021-08-20 06:58:05	phrik	Title: System time - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-20 06:58:37	randoZee	Follow allong the wiki. 
2021-08-20 06:58:41	randoZee	Simple enough 
2021-08-20 07:01:24	chipps	got it thanks
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2021-08-20 07:40:40	pounce	dm-crypters of arch
2021-08-20 07:40:44	pounce	where do you keep your keyfiles?
2021-08-20 07:41:13	pounce	i've done it in /etc so far but my gf said that's bad
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2021-08-20 07:43:15	mpan	paulman: what’s the point of using a separate key if you keep it alongside the encrypted volume? It’s like hanging a key to your house next to the lock.
2021-08-20 07:43:15	mpan	pounce: ↑↑
2021-08-20 07:43:15	pounce	mpan: i use it for daisy-chaining encryption
2021-08-20 07:43:15	pounce	so if / is on an ssd and i unencrypt it to boot i still need to unlock my hdd for other dirs
2021-08-20 07:43:15	drathir_tor	pounce: i would guess if You have anyway encrypted / and /boot no big differ...
2021-08-20 07:43:25	◣	Enitin (~Enitin@82.102.22.85) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2021-08-20 07:43:26	pounce	yeah / here is encrypted
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2021-08-20 07:43:49	mpan	Then I see no reason for that to be a problem, assuming it’s not readable by just anyone.
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2021-08-20 07:44:19	pounce	yeah but like, where should it go in the filesystem hier
2021-08-20 07:44:43	mpan	“/etc” seems a rasonable place.
2021-08-20 07:45:30	pounce	isn't /etc text and /lib bin though
2021-08-20 07:45:48	pounce	idk if "encryption key" counts as config or not
2021-08-20 07:46:07	mpan	To me it counts as the configuration.
2021-08-20 07:46:30	◣	ice9 (~ice9@user/ice9) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2021-08-20 07:46:55	mpan	“/lib” is for libraries, so unrelated.
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2021-08-20 07:48:44	mpan	Why is your gf saying it’s not ok?
2021-08-20 07:48:58	◣	hhao (~hhao@user/hhao) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2021-08-20 07:49:33	pounce	she says bc she pokes around in /etc a lot
2021-08-20 07:49:35	pounce	me too
2021-08-20 07:49:38	pounce	easier to get deleted
2021-08-20 07:49:46	pounce	which is #1 thing i don't want happening
2021-08-20 07:49:47	mpan	Deletion is not an issue.
2021-08-20 07:50:06	mpan	… I assume you have a backup? If you don’t, THIS is the issue, not the file being in “/etc”.
2021-08-20 07:50:15	drathir_tor	hmmm... interesting seems like https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=268638 issue comeback... reinstall of package fixing warning...
2021-08-20 07:50:16	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Doing a full system upgrade does not find ardour.xml / Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-08-20 07:50:48	pounce	yeah i think i'll just back up both my drives
2021-08-20 07:50:53	pounce	that or just the luks headers
2021-08-20 07:50:56	pounce	and then it'll be ok
2021-08-20 07:51:08	mpan	No, I am talking about having backups of the key. Multiple of them.
2021-08-20 07:51:40	pounce	yeah both
2021-08-20 07:51:43	pounce	in separate places, hopefully
2021-08-20 07:52:38	nl6720	pounce: if you use /etc/cryptsetup-keys.d/name.key you can omit the keyfile from  crypttab
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2021-08-20 07:59:28	pounce	ooooh
2021-08-20 07:59:28	pounce	that's a hot tip
2021-08-20 07:59:28	bq	just the tip mind you
2021-08-20 07:59:28	pounce	<name> here is like in /dev/mapper/<name> right?
2021-08-20 07:59:28	nl6720	yes
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2021-08-20 07:59:28	drathir_tor	pounce: with luks i assume +i and chmod 400 probably would protect from mistakes also good to have next to keys set luks password jsut in case...
2021-08-20 07:59:28	pounce	drathir_tor: well, is chmod 400 any different than chmod 600
2021-08-20 07:59:28	drathir_tor	pounce: however more restrictive chattr not tested by myself...
2021-08-20 07:59:28	pounce	root can do whatever either way, right?
2021-08-20 07:59:28	drathir_tor	pounce: 400 should set only read access with any key changes You need most likely unlock to 600 by Yourself...
2021-08-20 07:59:55	pounce	ooh i didn't know that
2021-08-20 08:04:56	drathir_tor	pounce: yea, but that guessing set to minimum any mistaken changes deletions in files... unless someone want ripe them intentionally and have root access... than nothing really helps...
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2021-08-20 08:04:56	pounce	no i just don't want to do something on accident
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2021-08-20 10:44:50	txtsd	Any idea why importing keys would fail? https://bpa.st/VWOA
2021-08-20 10:44:52	phrik	Title: View paste VWOA (at bpa.st)
2021-08-20 10:59:26	cyphertite	txtsd:  who is "Caleb Maclennan <caleb@alerque.com>"?
2021-08-20 10:59:35	alerque	cyphertite: Me.
2021-08-20 10:59:59	alerque	Why do you ask?
2021-08-20 11:00:16	txtsd	It worked when I tried it a second time. Not sure why it failed the first time around.
2021-08-20 11:00:39	cyphertite	alerque: OK, see the above paste, it involves your key
2021-08-20 11:01:21	alerque	Yah looking at it. Something is amiss though because the key you should be getting in the new archlinux-keyring is "Caleb Maclennan <alerque@archlinux.org>"
2021-08-20 11:02:07	CyberShadow	Maybe install archlinux-keyring first separately?
2021-08-20 11:03:01	cyphertite	alerque:  I just got a new keyring about 2 days ago, but saw no issues with your key or others
2021-08-20 11:03:13	alerque	CyberShadow: True, installning archlinux-keyring first, because `python-fontools` as seen in that update is something I just packaged with the new key.
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2021-08-20 11:21:17	cyphertite	txtsd:  I am still at a loss as to why your upgrade run worked the second time, instead of failing the same way?
2021-08-20 11:28:40	txtsd	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2021-08-20 11:57:45	grawity	arch has key handling requirements?
2021-08-20 11:58:05	Foxboron	grawity: recently written up
2021-08-20 11:58:21	grawity	hmm got a link?
2021-08-20 11:58:31	Foxboron	grawity: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/archlinux-keyring/-/wikis/home
2021-08-20 11:58:33	phrik	Title: Home · Wiki · Arch Linux / Arch Linux Keyring · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2021-08-20 11:58:40	⚡ 	grawity is trying to figure out when certbot considers a certificate "due for renewal"
2021-08-20 11:59:08	grawity	certbot seems like it has heaps of documentation, yet every time I open it, the thing I want is barely mentioned
2021-08-20 11:59:52	grawity	"Must be exclusive (not used for any other key)
2021-08-20 12:00:38	grawity	weird requirement but I'm gonna guess it has to do with tokens having only one PIN or something
2021-08-20 12:01:46	Foxboron	I'm guessing less then 5 people do follow those rules 1:1
2021-08-20 12:02:20	grawity	oh, renew_before_expiry defaults to "30 days"
2021-08-20 12:04:31	grawity	my TLS cert alerting cronjob was set to 60 days for non-LE certs, do I just adjust it globally, or do I go full yaml and allow tweaking the duration per-service ...
2021-08-20 12:07:22	lazycat	chmod: changing permissions of '/mnt/c/Users/lenovo/temp/src': Operation not permitted
2021-08-20 12:07:23	lazycat	==> ERROR: An unknown error has occurred. Exiting...
2021-08-20 12:07:23	lazycat	User defined signal 1
2021-08-20 12:08:05	grawity	don't build stuff in locations that don't support POSIX file permissions
2021-08-20 12:08:23	grawity	if you *have* to use an NTFS disk, at least enable the permission support in ntfs-3g
2021-08-20 12:08:32	Tom^	grawity: did you find that hw issue?
2021-08-20 12:09:23	lazycat	i am using Arch on WSL2
2021-08-20 12:10:09	Tom^	last i checked there is no official build of arch on WSL2 but idk
2021-08-20 12:10:46	grawity	Tom^: no, but given that a completely different RAM stick resulted in the same thing, I just assume the motherboard died (didn't survive being in our (kinda damp) storage room?)
2021-08-20 12:11:02	lazycat	github.com/yuk7/archWSL
2021-08-20 12:11:03	Tom^	grawity: aw :(
2021-08-20 12:11:44	lazycat	I am forced to use Arch on WSL
2021-08-20 12:11:50	Namarrgon	lazycat: it's not supported, your on your own, but grawity's advice still applies, build packages on native filesystems
2021-08-20 12:11:56	Namarrgon	*you're
2021-08-20 12:12:12	grawity	you still can build stuff on the native WSL rootfs, can't you
2021-08-20 12:12:32	grawity	I'm not sure whether WSL2 provides emulation of POSIX file permissions on /mnt
2021-08-20 12:13:21	lazycat	yes, they have this issue on WSL2 for chmod and chown
2021-08-20 12:14:44	Namarrgon	yes, it should work in /
2021-08-20 12:14:45	hill	hi
2021-08-20 12:14:49	hill	first time using irc
2021-08-20 12:14:55	Namarrgon	hill: run!
2021-08-20 12:15:36	grawity	welcome to the jungle
2021-08-20 12:15:39	hill	running... what kind of irc client you guys using? 
2021-08-20 12:15:40	hill	lol
2021-08-20 12:15:41	hill	thanks
2021-08-20 12:16:12	lazycat	run!
2021-08-20 12:16:17	th0rne	!give hill enter
2021-08-20 12:16:18	phrik	hill: Please type full, complete sentences and use the enter key less. It aids readability and helps others follow the conversation.
2021-08-20 12:18:57	lazycat	thanks it worked using the native rootfs
2021-08-20 12:20:21	grawity	Tom^: fortunately we have like 4 of those PCs (hp compaq 6000 or something) spare after replacing them with new ones, so I got another that was stored elsewhere
2021-08-20 12:20:56	grawity	it's not great, but it runs Win10 and it's a replacement for a PC that literally ran WinXP, so it'll do
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2021-08-20 13:48:14	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1258 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1258 normals)
2021-08-20 13:24:16	tmpm697	hola!
2021-08-20 13:24:42	tmpm697	I have VirtualEthernet=yes in /etc/systemd/nspawn/<my-container>.nspawn
2021-08-20 13:24:50	tmpm697	when I start container with systemd-nspawn, there's no ipaddress under host0 interface, why? and how to fix?
2021-08-20 13:25:05	tmpm697	 just have one network profile with systemd and other systemd-nspawn configs as default.
2021-08-20 13:25:33	tmpm697	I had: systemd 249 (249.3-1-arch)
2021-08-20 13:25:34	tmpm697	+PAM +AUDIT -SELINUX -APPARMOR -IMA +SMACK +SECCOMP +GCRYPT +GNUTLS +OPENSSL +ACL +BLKID +CURL +ELFUTILS +FIDO2 +IDN2 -IDN +IPTC +KMOD +LIBCRYPTSETUP +LIBFDISK +PCRE2 -PWQUALITY +P11KIT -QRENCODE +BZIP2 +LZ4 +XZ +ZLIB +ZSTD +XKBCOMMON +UTMP -SYSVINIT default-hierarchy=unified
2021-08-20 13:25:54	tmpm697	all up-to-date and I use linux kernel.
2021-08-20 13:27:03	tmpm697	if I had: Private=no and VirtualEthernet=no then start container will use network of host and I have internet.
2021-08-20 13:27:44	tmpm697	when I start container, ip link give this ve interface: ve-mycontainer@if2
2021-08-20 13:28:21	tmpm697	under container I had host0 interface but there's no ipaddress with it, and I can't access internet if VirtualEthernet=yes in /etc/systemd/nspawn/<my-container>.nspawn
2021-08-20 13:31:39	tmpm697	if you need more details, please ask as I don't know what info needed to debug.
2021-08-20 13:48:16	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-20 14:04:35	Hello_World	Hiya! Is there a way to make pacman NOT reinstall packages when giving it a list of packages to install? Also is there an argument to ignore ignoregroups (for example the ones in config)? I couldn't find anything in the man / on the web
2021-08-20 14:05:21	Namarrgon	--needed for the former
2021-08-20 14:05:46	Namarrgon	for the latter it shouldwork to just explicitly install the packages
2021-08-20 14:06:19	Namarrgon	are you writing another aur-helper?
2021-08-20 14:07:19	thrice	it's what the world needs
2021-08-20 14:12:55	demonicmaniac	oh god
2021-08-20 14:13:11	Dan39	oh lord
2021-08-20 14:13:14	demonicmaniac	aptpik a pikaur wrapper with syntax from debian's apt
2021-08-20 14:13:17	demonicmaniac	why
2021-08-20 14:13:40	Dan39	lord lord lord, i am lorde
2021-08-20 14:18:46	Hello_World	Namarrgon: Thank you very much! Sadly the latter doesn't work when then the dependencies themselves are ignored too
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2021-08-20 14:38:34	Hello_World	Without manually having to change the config every time
2021-08-20 14:38:50	Scimmia	change it and don't change it back, problem solved
2021-08-20 14:39:36	Namarrgon	you're trying to fix the symptoms of a problem that you created yourself
2021-08-20 14:39:54	Namarrgon	no, i don't think there is any native way to do this
2021-08-20 14:40:15	Namarrgon	not a convenient one at least, where you don't have to explicitly install/update every single package
2021-08-20 14:40:19	thrice	lolol, wut.
2021-08-20 14:40:23	Tom^	fork pacman, add --ignore-ignorepkg , add pacman to IgnorePkg and live on every happily after.
2021-08-20 14:43:12	Hello_World	Hehe
2021-08-20 14:43:14	Hello_World	And I see, thanks
2021-08-20 14:43:34	tmm88	join dataflow
2021-08-20 14:43:59	Namarrgon	no, you! join dataflow
2021-08-20 14:56:59	tmpm697	anyone can help?
2021-08-20 14:57:44	Namarrgon	tmpm697: try it in #systemd if you get no answers here
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2021-08-20 15:44:57	hombrelaser	Good morning. Or evening. Everytime I boot Archlinux it displays a message saying "RDRAND gives funky smelling output. Consider not using it by using NRAND (I think) instead" What does it mean? If it helps, yesterday I changed mycpu, from a ryzen 3 3200g to a ryzen 5 3600, and that's where I started getting this message.
2021-08-20 15:45:28	NetSysFire	check your journal and see what outputs the message
2021-08-20 15:55:33	hombrelaser	executing journalctl -b or journalctl on the terminal doesn't give me any significant messages, how could I read the  boot messages the systemd journal outputs? 
2021-08-20 15:56:27	rcf	hombrelaser: it's a kernel message, your motherboard/CPU combination has broken the rdrand instruction (or at least made it not so random) 
2021-08-20 15:56:43	rcf	Many AMD systems are afflicted. 
2021-08-20 15:57:03	Hello71	need microcode update
2021-08-20 15:57:55	hombrelaser	I see... so I'll have to update my motherboard? Or only the amd microcode package? (if there's one)
2021-08-20 15:58:06	rcf	Obviously try the microcode first. 
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2021-08-20 16:16:02	MrElendig	YES
2021-08-20 16:16:09	MrElendig	stupid capslock
2021-08-20 16:18:04	CarloWood	Man... cuda make pacman -Syu slow... Every time I expect a phone call from my ISP: "Mr.Wood, please uninstall cuda or we won
2021-08-20 16:18:22	low-key	Ah, alright
2021-08-20 16:18:23	CarloWood	won't be able to continue providing your internet connection."
2021-08-20 16:18:40	CarloWood	And why is the ' key so close to the Enter key? :/
2021-08-20 16:19:23	th0rne	You can unbind it with xmodmap.
2021-08-20 16:19:28	grazzolini	low-key: we try to package only stable versions. and there can only be one version of any given package on the repos.
2021-08-20 16:20:12	grazzolini	low-key: having said that, you can find different versions of some stuff named differently
2021-08-20 16:24:08	low-key	Ah, didn't know that one version rule
2021-08-20 16:24:54	low-key	Was thinking how it would be slightly more convenient if Signal Beta too was available in the official repos and noticed that I couldn't find beta versions of anything else
2021-08-20 16:27:08	greyltc	The policy to is to try to stick to the latest stable upstream release.
2021-08-20 16:27:20	CarloWood	Great... pacman -Syu and rebooted.. and now my audio is broken
2021-08-20 16:28:47	greyltc	CarloWood: I had this too recently. I deleted some pipewire related folders form ~/.config and uninstalled pipewire-jack-dropin (AUR) and was fine after a relogin
2021-08-20 16:30:35	CarloWood	I am using jackd and the problems seems to be that it can't be started, or connected to.
2021-08-20 16:31:16	CarloWood	Fri Aug 20 16:29:18 2021: Device reservation request with priority 2147483647 denied for "Audio1": org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply (Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, 
2021-08-20 16:31:16	CarloWood	Fri Aug 20 16:29:18 2021: ERROR: Failed to acquire device name : Audio1 error : Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broke
2021-08-20 16:31:16	CarloWood	Fri Aug 20 16:29:18 2021: ERROR: Audio device hw:Generic,0 cannot be acquired...
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2021-08-20 16:57:49	aminvakil	!anyone
2021-08-20 16:57:50	phrik	Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2021-08-20 16:58:32	aminvakil	no, what was the "maybe, just ask your question and we'll move along?"
2021-08-20 16:59:27	coruja	!give aminvakil ask
2021-08-20 16:59:27	phrik	aminvakil: Don't ask to ask, if anyone is here or alive, or uses something. Just ask, and we'll get moving along. Thanks.
2021-08-20 17:00:14	aminvakil	coruja: thanks! :)
2021-08-20 17:02:58	CarloWood	'k I have my audio back... seems there is some kind of race condition somewhere that makes starting my audio stuff fail some times :(.
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2021-08-20 17:29:57	hill	hi wonder hows the status of amdgpu system freeze issue, had to downgrade and lock linux-firmware to an very old version.
2021-08-20 17:30:22	hill	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=266358&p=5 
2021-08-20 17:30:23	phrik	Title: AMD Ryzen 2700U graphics errors (Page 5) / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-08-20 17:30:58	Namarrgon	hill: try the current version, there were a couple of updates to the amd firmwares
2021-08-20 17:43:14	acid	Hello, I'm tring to install arch with efibootmgr (I use it on my other computer). everything works okay but after a reboot, the newly created entry is nowhere to be seen and the windows boot manager entry is still there (which I deleted earlier using efitbootmgr). it
2021-08-20 17:43:25	acid	its in nvme ssd, if that's important
2021-08-20 17:43:49	acid	What am I doing wrong? any help?
2021-08-20 17:44:00	NetSysFire	why do you use efibootmgr and not the utility provided by your bootloader?
2021-08-20 17:44:33	acid	because that's what I have in my other computer, I have no issues with changing it
2021-08-20 17:44:56	acid	btw utility provided by my bootloader? I don't understand
2021-08-20 17:45:08	NetSysFire	whats your bootloader?
2021-08-20 17:45:14	NetSysFire	grub has e.g grub-install
2021-08-20 17:45:53	acid	I have no bootloader, I was just using efistub directly
2021-08-20 17:48:53	cyphertite	Foxboron:  when (1/6) upgrading archlinux-keyring 'now' why do I see only exactly 2 repititions of 'gpg: key 1EB2638FF56C0C53: no user ID for key signature packet of class 10' but 20+ repititions of 'gpg: key 786C63F330D7CB92: no user ID for key signature packet of class 10'?
2021-08-20 17:50:21	cyphertite	only *see 2
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2021-08-20 18:25:10	shadowbird2468	nice. I have used ubuntu for about 10years and I desided to swich to arch. I have my system ready with few flaws that I'd like to fix. I've been checking wiki and duckduckgo, but for these things I couldnt find solution. so firstly..
2021-08-20 18:26:19	shadowbird2468	I installed pulseaudio to make discord work, it seems like there is common problem between alsa and discord so, I switched to pulse instead. pulse works fine, but after every boot I need to replug my stereo plug to make sounds apper.
2021-08-20 18:26:48	shadowbird2468	but it works if I keep my stereo plug on headphone plus.. but not working from boot on regular output plug
2021-08-20 18:26:58	shadowbird2468	*plug
2021-08-20 18:27:45	shadowbird2468	its very inconveniant to unplug/replug my speakers after every boot or to keep speakers on headphoneplug
2021-08-20 18:36:04	shadowbird2468	no quick answers, so I'll probably post it in forum and carry on with my next problem for now.. so, I like to have my system in english, therefor I used US_en local in setup and added KEYMAPS=fi to vconsole for my finnish keyboard, but that doesnt seem to work. I went around hte problems by adding a line to my I3 config to change it from there, but I'm wondering if there is a better way to make 
2021-08-20 18:36:10	shadowbird2468	it work. (I asume it should work without adding this exec setckbmap -layout fi to i3 config)
2021-08-20 18:37:01	shadowbird2468	I also tried KEYMAPS=fi-latin1, that didnt work eighter
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2021-08-20 19:16:11	iqqdq	is there a way to the output of `date +%s` directly in arithmetic? the only way I can do it is with assignment
2021-08-20 19:17:29	another|	what do you mean by that?
2021-08-20 19:17:36	greyltc	"directly in arithmetic"
2021-08-20 19:17:48	iqqdq	like i want to add 5 to the number that comes out
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2021-08-20 19:19:11	another|	what language?
2021-08-20 19:19:11	iqqdq	bash
2021-08-20 19:19:11	MrElendig	date can take a input too...
2021-08-20 19:19:15	MrElendig	sounds like a xyproblem though
2021-08-20 19:19:20	greyltc	`echo $(($(date +%s)-500))`
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2021-08-20 19:20:13	iqqdq	that worked thanks
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2021-08-20 19:20:17	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-20 19:22:57	burakcank	hi guys, I was wondering is there a place where I can find why for example community/code is OOD. Such as the chat discussion in AUR ?
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2021-08-20 19:23:18	greyltc	out of date?
2021-08-20 19:23:21	burakcank	yea
2021-08-20 19:23:49	greyltc	you could look at any bugs for the package
2021-08-20 19:24:16	greyltc	but it's probably because the maintainer hasn't gotten around to updating it yet
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2021-08-20 19:26:59	burakcank	cause it's been some time now, I wondered.
2021-08-20 19:27:04	teraflops	if you are bore you can see if there's a dep that block the package to be upgrade as well
2021-08-20 19:27:13	teraflops	bored^
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2021-08-20 20:17:38	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1290 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1290 normals)
2021-08-20 19:50:09	dostoyevsky2	chromium keeps crashes with SIGILL -- is that normal?  I just updated to the newest version, but I still get crashes... they go away if I reload the page often enough though
2021-08-20 19:50:26	Namarrgon	dostoyevsky2: uname -a
2021-08-20 19:50:51	greyltc	burakcank: I just built 1.59.1
2021-08-20 19:51:06	greyltc	seems to work alright, not sure what the holdup might be
2021-08-20 19:51:12	thrice	no crashies here
2021-08-20 19:51:58	dostoyevsky2	Namarrgon: Linux gorb 5.11.16-arch1-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed, 21 Apr 2021 17:22:13 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2021-08-20 19:52:24	Namarrgon	why are you on that prehistoric kernel version?
2021-08-20 19:53:37	dostoyevsky2	Namarrgon: uptime of 104 days
2021-08-20 19:53:44	thrice	that's not a good thing
2021-08-20 19:53:54	Namarrgon	-Syu and reboot
2021-08-20 19:54:10	teraflops	That is like who pees further lol
2021-08-20 19:54:27	Mysterytrain	lol
2021-08-20 19:54:46	teraflops	The uptime I meant...
2021-08-20 20:04:27	iqqdq	is there a way to make vim not auto indent when hit enter
2021-08-20 20:05:15	mefistofeles	iqqdq: you must have some configuration that sets that, I don't remember but there is a config variable for that
2021-08-20 20:06:16	mefistofeles	iqqdq: I guess autoindent is the one you want to check
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2021-08-20 20:24:34	burakcank	greyltc: you mean you built it for yourself ?
2021-08-20 20:25:56	burakcank	right, there doesn't seem to be a major problem. It's just simply ood I guess.
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2021-08-20 20:34:36	susi	why permissions, owners etc metadata needs +x on dir to be read, yet filenames can be listed with just +r on dir
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2021-08-20 20:36:31	grazzolini	susi: hmm, you need both to be able to list the contents of a directory
2021-08-20 20:36:31	jrudess	for directories +r allows the affected user to list files in the directory. +w allows affected user to create, rename, or delete files in the directory (and modify the directories attributes).  +x allows the affected user to enter the directory and access the files inside.
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2021-08-20 20:37:28	susi	grazzolini: https://0x0.st/-yGz.txt
2021-08-20 20:38:07	susi	oops, there should be `stat -c %a a`, it reports 444
2021-08-20 20:38:14	grazzolini	susi: if you're the owner of the dir, even if you don't have +x you can still access the files, iirc
2021-08-20 20:38:15	tirnanog	susi: because that's how it was designed. you can read the dirents with +r. a dir is a kind of file, in fact. still, you may not read the inode data for any of these entries without +x. here's a longer, better explanation: https://termbin.com/0bos
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2021-08-20 20:38:27	grazzolini	however, to be able to list the content of a directory, you need +x
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2021-08-20 20:38:44	tirnanog	that's not true. you only need +r to list the immediate entries.
2021-08-20 20:38:56	jrudess	+r to see them, +x to see the contents of them
2021-08-20 20:39:01	tirnanog	it's when it comes to reading the inode data (making a stat call for example) that the problems begin.
2021-08-20 20:39:05	tirnanog	see the link above.
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2021-08-20 20:41:03	teraflops	you need +x to be able to access the dir to access files and dirs inside anyways, isnt it?
2021-08-20 20:41:05	grazzolini	tirnanog: if you're the owner of both the dir and files, yes.
2021-08-20 20:41:10	susi	even root:root owning dir `a` (444) and it's contents (444), I can list it's contents (filenames and whether something's a dir or a file)
2021-08-20 20:41:14	grazzolini	teraflops: you do, yes
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2021-08-20 20:43:03	tirnanog	grazzolini: I'm not sure you understand. if you have +r on a dir, you can enumerate its entries. it doesn't matter who owns said entries or even what their modes are.
2021-08-20 20:43:53	tirnanog	however, with only +r rights, what you can't do is get any other information about a given entry (ownership, modes, size ... etc).
2021-08-20 20:44:16	tirnanog	and it's that same characteristic that affects the ability to traverse.
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2021-08-20 20:44:55	tirnanog	basically, you can get the names and nothing else.
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2021-08-20 20:54:26	Betal	what emoji font is monochrome?
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2021-08-20 20:56:34	Betal	or they are actually another emoji in same font
2021-08-20 20:56:46	macca_man	close
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2021-08-20 20:57:07	susi	would be interesting to understand how can the filesystem make file a/b/c non-stat-able when a is 444, but b and c are 777
2021-08-20 20:57:19	tirnanog	here's an example of the constraint in action: https://termbin.com/02tu
2021-08-20 20:58:48	teraflops	all the fonts are monochrome there are only a few that actually show the unicode chars coloured
2021-08-20 20:59:22	tirnanog	susi: ultimately, by people deciding that this is how conventional discretionary access controls will behave and by the posix specifications keeping everyone on the same page.
2021-08-20 20:59:33	tirnanog	keeping implementors, even.
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2021-08-20 21:00:02	tirnanog	it makes more sense when you consider that a directory is really just a kind of file.
2021-08-20 21:00:14	tirnanog	linux won't let you open a directory as if it were a file but some other operating systems do.
2021-08-20 21:00:54	tirnanog	in that respect, the directory contains data which can be (r)ead.
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2021-08-20 21:03:53	susi	could I write a C program to skip DAC/ACL and access x (777) inside a (444), or who stops me?
2021-08-20 21:04:06	tirnanog	the kernel stops you.
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2021-08-20 21:04:28	tirnanog	your C program does not have the privilege of running in kernel space, obviously.
2021-08-20 21:05:34	tirnanog	the only way you could circumvent it, short of a theoreticaly vulnerability is if, say, you had direct read permissions for the block device node containing the filesystem.
2021-08-20 21:05:39	tirnanog	theoretical*
2021-08-20 21:05:58	tirnanog	in which case all of the filesystem data is exposed to you, if you figure out how to process it.
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2021-08-20 21:13:18	hombrelaser	Hello, so I updated my motherboard's bios, and now the boot I can't access my GRUB boot partition. Do I need to reinstall GRUB in the boot partition?
2021-08-20 21:13:59	susi	tirnanog: thanks :)
2021-08-20 21:14:54	kevr	hombrelaser: Perhaps your mother board bios update reverted your settings for things like Secure boot?
2021-08-20 21:14:56	MrElendig	hombrelaser: uefi?
2021-08-20 21:15:15	MrElendig	usually its just the boot order that changes
2021-08-20 21:15:24	kevr	ah
2021-08-20 21:15:28	MrElendig	but yes, secureboot settings too can
2021-08-20 21:15:34	MrElendig	and csm
2021-08-20 21:15:53	hombrelaser	Yes, UEFI, I marked the boot as uefi only on my mobo's settings.
2021-08-20 21:16:08	hombrelaser	The grub partition doesn't get listed in the bootable devices
2021-08-20 21:16:10	MrElendig	protip: install the bootloader to the default loader path
2021-08-20 21:16:19	MrElendig	define "grub partition"
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2021-08-20 21:16:40	MrElendig	you should really just have a single esp and put everything on there
2021-08-20 21:16:47	hombrelaser	sorry, yes, I made a EFi partition, mounted it to /boot and installed grub there like the archlinux installation said
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2021-08-20 21:17:22	MrElendig	and you also have a esp that windows made?
2021-08-20 21:17:44	hombrelaser	No, the hard drive where I installed arch was new.
2021-08-20 21:17:52	hombrelaser	I have windows installed but on another drive
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2021-08-20 21:21:16	MrElendig	should still only have a single esp really :)
2021-08-20 21:22:12	hombrelaser	yup
2021-08-20 21:22:22	hombrelaser	so the recommended course of action is to reinstall the bootloader?
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2021-08-20 21:22:40	MrElendig	check secureboot first
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2021-08-20 21:23:20	MrElendig	after that, check the efi varaibles, if grub is gone then create a new boot entry yourself or tell grub-install to do it for you
2021-08-20 21:24:00	⚡ 	kevr tickles hombrelaser
2021-08-20 21:26:29	hombrelaser	Looks like there isn't any secureboot option; only fast boot? And is disabled, storage boot option control and other pci devices: UEFI only
2021-08-20 21:26:52	hombrelaser	Where do I check the EFI variables?
2021-08-20 21:27:25	MrElendig	efibootmgr -v / bootctl list or whatever the windows tool is called
2021-08-20 21:27:44	susi	ls /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
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2021-08-20 21:29:13	hombrelaser	ah, ok, let me chroot into my system then
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2021-08-20 21:58:30	nij-	Hello! Is it possible to have a customized bash_history, which is read everytime bash starts?
2021-08-20 21:58:45	baltazar	nij-: you mean a bashrc?
2021-08-20 21:59:40	grazzolini	nij-: HISTFILE
2021-08-20 22:00:47	nij-	Hmm.. I mean to have a command that reads a file into history..
2021-08-20 22:01:16	thurstylark	you want to seed your history with something?
2021-08-20 22:01:16	grawity	history -r
2021-08-20 22:02:01	nij-	!! Thanks grawity. It's not in `man history`.
2021-08-20 22:02:01	phrik	nij-: No idea
2021-08-20 22:02:28	grawity	the only `man history` I have is history(n) which is tcl's
2021-08-20 22:02:36	thurstylark	nij-: `type history`
2021-08-20 22:02:47	grawity	usually `history` is a shell builtin (it kinda has to be!), so the docs are in the shell's manual
2021-08-20 22:02:49	baltazar	nij-: for shell builtins you should use help
2021-08-20 22:02:56	grazzolini	nij-: history is a builtin
2021-08-20 22:03:10	nij-	I see! Thanks for the tip :)
2021-08-20 22:08:21	hombrelaser	well, reinstalled the bootloader and generated the .cfg file; archlinux doesn't appear on the GRUB screen
2021-08-20 22:09:07	MrElendig	why did you mess with the config?
2021-08-20 22:09:19	MrElendig	your old one worked fine
2021-08-20 22:09:39	MrElendig	post the new config file
2021-08-20 22:11:30	hombrelaser	I generated it again because it booted right into the GRUB command line.
2021-08-20 22:12:00	hombrelaser	Will do, I'm not familiar with pastebins, how would I post the new config file?
2021-08-20 22:12:27	thurstylark	!ix cat /path/to/file
2021-08-20 22:12:28	phrik	cat /path/to/file |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2021-08-20 22:13:22	thurstylark	or drop the first part of the file and replace the - in the quoted part of the curl command, but there's not an easy generator for that version :P
2021-08-20 22:13:26	MrElendig	curl -F 'f:1=@/path/to/file' ix.io
2021-08-20 22:13:32	thurstylark	yeh like that
2021-08-20 22:13:51	hombrelaser	from the chroot?
2021-08-20 22:14:20	thurstylark	doesn't matter as long as you specify the right file
2021-08-20 22:14:37	hombrelaser	I meant, to post it here
2021-08-20 22:14:39	hombrelaser	well I could see if I can send it from the Emacs IRC Client
2021-08-20 22:15:00	thurstylark	you get a url in response, just type that here
2021-08-20 22:15:18	hombrelaser	Ah I'm an idiot, will do
2021-08-20 22:16:33	thurstylark	we all start somewhere :)
2021-08-20 22:21:10	hombrelaser	weird, it gives off an html document stating an internal server error instead
2021-08-20 22:23:59	meireikei	does anyone know how I can easily see the difference in source code between different versions of the arch linux linux kernel package?
2021-08-20 22:24:40	meireikei	in my specific case my touchpad driver broke between 5.13.10-arch1-1 and 5.13.12.arch1-1
2021-08-20 22:24:47	meireikei	and I want to see if I can figure out what's wrong
2021-08-20 22:25:07	thurstylark	everything before the - is the upstream version number
2021-08-20 22:25:16	thurstylark	so, seek ye answers upstream
2021-08-20 22:25:41	Betal	looks linux package don't have tags and is always updated/overwrite
2021-08-20 22:25:47	Betal	https://github.com/archlinux/linux/commits/v5.13.12-arch1
2021-08-20 22:26:21	Betal	oh, actually we have tags
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2021-08-20 22:39:12	dagle	Well, tags is just a release. If you have releases you should use tags.
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2021-08-20 22:40:07	Betal	in old archlinux git I don't think we had tags
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2021-08-20 22:45:47	susi	why does /home/lost+found take 16K, while all other directories are 4K?
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2021-08-20 22:46:49	susi	/lost+found is 16K, too
2021-08-20 22:47:26	Betal	susi: try adding more files inside your 4K directory
2021-08-20 22:47:45	susi	but those lost+founds are empty
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2021-08-20 22:50:16	dagle	susi: lost and found pre-allocate a larger structure for files.
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2021-08-20 22:51:46	susi	where NM keeps a file "[seen-bssids]" in a format {UUID}={MAC1},{MAC2},...{UUID}=...
2021-08-20 22:51:56	Betal	probably the explanation of `man mklost+found" about e2fsck is what we want
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2021-08-20 22:52:51	susi	there seems to be a file with "[seen-bssids]" and UUIDs and MACs in my /lost+found :-)
2021-08-20 22:53:04	meireikei	Betal: ah cool
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2021-08-21 01:26:10	perrierjouet	dmc: I increased the font size and the folder icons were small
2021-08-21 01:26:12	dmc	lol they're so tiny
2021-08-21 01:28:04	antonva	might be sth going on with the start of the line
2021-08-21 01:28:14	perrierjouet	dmc: other than the folder icons the orher icons are the same size in xst and alacritty https://imgur.com/a/CL5FDVi
2021-08-21 01:28:16	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2021-08-21 01:29:02	perrierjouet	altought alacritty seem fast it uses more ram I may stick with the beloved st 
2021-08-21 01:29:34	thurstylark	!suckless
2021-08-21 01:29:35	phrik	worse is better^H^H^H^H^H^Hworse
2021-08-21 01:30:36	dmc	so many RAM's
2021-08-21 01:30:52	lantech19446	I need to ask a treasonous question, I have remmina but it seems that it's rdp extension isn't compatible with microsoft rdp, is there a program for arch that has microsoft rdp?
2021-08-21 01:31:25	thurstylark	lantech19446: how did you determine that?
2021-08-21 01:31:36	dmc	perrierjouet, that's output from `lsd`?
2021-08-21 01:31:50	⚡ 	thurstylark uses several win10 rdp servers via remmina all the time
2021-08-21 01:31:54	lantech19446	thurstylark: i tried it and i can access it from my phone so i know it's functional
2021-08-21 01:32:01	thurstylark	!errors
2021-08-21 01:32:02	phrik	Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2021-08-21 01:32:34	lantech19446	it doesn't connect, that is the error, if it were connecting i wouldn't need to ask
2021-08-21 01:32:56	The-Compiler	perrierjouet: some terminals use the space after the icon to show a bigger icon
2021-08-21 01:33:15	thurstylark	have you installed freerdp?
2021-08-21 01:33:17	The-Compiler	perrierjouet: kitty is pretty nice IMHO
2021-08-21 01:33:19	thurstylark	lantech19446: ^
2021-08-21 01:34:07	lantech19446	thurstylark: to be honest i don't remember what i installed to get it i just remember i had to install something to get rdp on remmina it was a while ago. give me a sec and i'll try to install that
2021-08-21 01:34:26	thurstylark	`pacman -Q freerdp`
2021-08-21 01:34:42	lantech19446	yes that's what i installed
2021-08-21 01:35:30	thurstylark	What is the exact text that remmina gives you when the connection fails?
2021-08-21 01:35:57	Hello71	probably you need to disable nla
2021-08-21 01:36:16	thurstylark	remmina works with nla, assuming the remote user doesn't have a blank pw
2021-08-21 01:36:29	lantech19446	it says could not connect and sometimes it says lost connection to the rdp server
2021-08-21 01:41:20	thurstylark	lantech19446: I get both of those when trying to connect to a machine that's powered off, so can you reach the remote machine with anything else?
2021-08-21 01:41:29	thurstylark	ping, for example :P
2021-08-21 01:42:01	lantech19446	thurstylark: yes i'm able to remote into it from my phone
2021-08-21 01:42:23	lantech19446	if it were powered off i'd be high tailing it back to work lol
2021-08-21 01:43:12	thurstylark	sorry, I meant can you reach the remote computer from the same machine on which you were running remmina
2021-08-21 01:43:47	lantech19446	i'm not absolutely sure icmp is enabled on the gateway but i'll try
2021-08-21 01:44:22	lantech19446	yes i can ping it from my laptop
2021-08-21 01:45:58	lantech19446	i'm also able to access the web app it serves
2021-08-21 01:46:09	kevr	lantech19446: that isn't the exact error, though. Exact errors, meaning, a literal copy and paste of errors that you get helps a lot of people.
2021-08-21 01:46:33	kevr	While you can paraphrase, exact errors can jog people's memory and additionally they're just a more precise way to communicate what the error was.
2021-08-21 01:46:52	lantech19446	i got through not sure why it wouldn't earlier
2021-08-21 01:47:37	Betal	usually when people ask for exactly logs, problems are auto solved
2021-08-21 01:47:37	thurstylark	next time, try running remmina in a terminal and attempting the connection. Should give you a lot more info to go off of
2021-08-21 01:48:11	lantech19446	ok
2021-08-21 01:48:54	lantech19446	the exact error was that it lost connection the last few times and then all of a sudden it just went through
2021-08-21 01:50:02	kevr	again, that's not an exact error
2021-08-21 01:50:08	kevr	that's a paraphrasing of the error.
2021-08-21 01:50:55	kevr	If you get into the habit of just including verbatim errors when you encounter stuff like this, people would be able to help you a lot quicker in a lot of cases.
2021-08-21 01:51:35	kevr	Otherwise, people have to decipher what you're paraphrasing or eluding to. It just means that people have to talk more to get the information they're looking for, usually.
2021-08-21 01:53:43	kevr	Just a suggestion.
2021-08-21 02:03:34	thurstylark	fwiw, that's all that the gui shows you output-wise
2021-08-21 02:03:39	thurstylark	more info is in terminal output
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2021-08-21 04:15:55	NetSysFire	this is what we are trying to find out :p
2021-08-21 04:16:15	NetSysFire	in this case enter the shell *inside* the initramfs and check the dmesg, not the journal
2021-08-21 04:16:53	pounce	yeah as i said dmesg is fine
2021-08-21 04:17:14	pounce	issues with an audio driver but that's it
2021-08-21 04:18:15	pounce	want a paste?
2021-08-21 04:18:21	NetSysFire	yes please
2021-08-21 04:18:28	pounce	what's the pbthx command
2021-08-21 04:18:35	NetSysFire	!paste
2021-08-21 04:18:36	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-21 04:19:02	NetSysFire	but be aware that the log inside the initramfs differs from the one in your fully booted system
2021-08-21 04:21:29	MrAureliusR	I'm trying to find info on why arch hasn't updated to 5.14 yet -- is it still that buggy and unstable?
2021-08-21 04:21:41	MrAureliusR	oh wait
2021-08-21 04:21:44	MrAureliusR	it's still pre-release
2021-08-21 04:21:49	MrAureliusR	for some reason I thought it was current
2021-08-21 04:21:52	pounce	[27.819698] is the last entry before i exited rescue and went to the VT https://paste.rs/Vv7
2021-08-21 04:21:55	pounce	NetSysFire: ^^
2021-08-21 04:23:35	NetSysFire	this looks as if it was taken from a fully booted system
2021-08-21 04:24:06	pounce	oh wait is it because im booting `ro`
2021-08-21 04:24:20	pounce	instead of `rw`
2021-08-21 04:24:56	pounce	i have a confession to make, this is my super backup kernel commandline since the other ones won't boot >_>
2021-08-21 04:24:58	pounce	hence the ro
2021-08-21 04:25:26	ectospasm	Why not ask about your real problem, then?
2021-08-21 04:26:13	pounce	i am dummy uguu
2021-08-21 04:27:22	pounce	also i think i can solve that one myself
2021-08-21 04:38:35	pounce	hm, now lightdm is not starting
2021-08-21 04:38:47	pounce	does it need an xserver
2021-08-21 04:40:18	NetSysFire	lightdm has logs which describe why it failed to start
2021-08-21 04:40:43	pounce	i looked in the journal and it just said it failed
2021-08-21 04:41:06	NetSysFire	/var/log/lightdm
2021-08-21 04:41:42	pounce	hm, maybe this should be in the wiki
2021-08-21 04:42:53	pounce	yep, it's mad there's no X
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2021-08-21 05:59:11	⚡ 	rcf prefers greetd for such situations
2021-08-21 06:02:12	⚡ 	Strykar prefers a real shapely woman who logs in for him as the greeter.. way more civilized
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2021-08-21 07:08:30	pounce	ooh greetd works pretty well on sway
2021-08-21 07:08:34	pounce	not cage, unfortunately
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2021-08-21 07:47:45	pounce	ugh no sound
2021-08-21 07:48:19	pounce	relevant dmesg from before: `snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1f.3: no codecs initialized"
2021-08-21 07:55:27	pounce	to clarify: DisplayPort sound is working through my monitor, but the built in jack won't show up
2021-08-21 07:55:43	pounce	and this isn't just a sound card mode, since I've looked through them and they're all for just the video card
2021-08-21 07:56:13	rcf	Is there some setting in the firmware 
2021-08-21 07:57:09	pounce	should i look in the bios then?
2021-08-21 07:58:04	pounce	omg, i just rebooted and i heard the POST boop in my headphones
2021-08-21 07:58:19	pounce	so obviously they're working
2021-08-21 08:00:36	pounce	rcf: nope the only option i see in the firmware is "enable audio" and it's checked
2021-08-21 08:01:39	rcf	Sometimes they have a weird advanced menu with more options, but assuming not.... does this work in other operating systems? 
2021-08-21 08:01:43	rcf	Obviously it can beep at you. 
2021-08-21 08:01:55	pounce	haven't tried in other OSes
2021-08-21 08:02:07	pounce	i guess i can.... try to get a puppy linux live iso
2021-08-21 08:02:17	rcf	Other Linux stuff might be useful to see if there's a weird kernel regression at play 
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2021-08-21 08:19:09	Mysterytrain	that sucks
2021-08-21 08:19:17	Mysterytrain	oop, wrong window lol
2021-08-21 08:19:41	thurstylark	!bufferfail
2021-08-21 08:19:42	phrik	 0  DAYS SINCE THE LAST BUFFER FAILURE: Recipient safety is our union goal!
2021-08-21 08:20:16	pounce	rcf: i've tried going through that but I haven't seen much relevant
2021-08-21 08:20:52	rcf	pounce: even the bit about specyfing the codec type/blacklisting conflicting kernel modules? 
2021-08-21 08:21:23	dagle	ishitatsuyuki: I bet it depends on how it's implemented. maybe fstrim is a background job on windows where on linux it returns when complete. Or unlink on windows does trimming, making the unlink function really slow. 
2021-08-21 08:21:42	ishitatsuyuki	I guess it's probably the latter
2021-08-21 08:21:55	ishitatsuyuki	The Windows utility does display the progress in percentage fwiw
2021-08-21 08:22:03	dagle	Ok.
2021-08-21 08:22:08	pounce	yeah so the "No headphone sound with onboard intel sound card" seemed promising but I haven't been able to identify which to use
2021-08-21 08:22:22	pounce	not to mention /proc/asound/card0 is empty
2021-08-21 08:22:28	pounce	/proc/asound/card1 has stuff tho
2021-08-21 08:22:34	dagle	ishitatsuyuki: My point is that it's like comparing apples to oranges.
2021-08-21 08:23:34	low-key	i downloaded victor mono from the nerd fonts github repo and moved it into .local/share/fonts and ran fc-cache -fv
2021-08-21 08:23:49	low-key	but running fc-list | rg -r victor returns nothing
2021-08-21 08:24:08	low-key	and when i moved to the directory and ran fc-query ./Victor\ Mono\ Medium\ Nerd\ Font\ Complete.ttf
2021-08-21 08:24:24	low-key	it returned 'Can't query face 4294967295 of font file Victor Mono Medium Nerd Font Complete.ttf'
2021-08-21 08:24:42	low-key	i've succesfully installed many fonts this way so not sure what's going on here
2021-08-21 08:37:44	rcf	I think the file may genuinely be broken. 
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2021-08-21 08:57:26	rcf	pounce: can you post the full journal of the Arch boot 
2021-08-21 08:57:39	pounce	AYY
2021-08-21 08:57:43	pounce	linux-lts makes it work
2021-08-21 08:58:00	pounce	rcf: i actually did that recently let me find it
2021-08-21 08:58:19	rcf	Well there you go
2021-08-21 08:58:23	rcf	Kernel regressions are so much fun 
2021-08-21 08:58:45	pounce	rcf: https://paste.rs/Vv7
2021-08-21 08:59:29	pounce	there are 3 lines in there that don't occur in the new kernel, starting with Codec #2 probe error; disabling it...
2021-08-21 09:00:51	rcf	By 'new' do you mean the one you newly installed or the one most recently released 
2021-08-21 09:02:36	pounce	yes sorry the LTS
2021-08-21 09:02:57	pounce	in the most recent kernel I get 3 dmesg errors that don't occur in the LTS
2021-08-21 09:03:22	rcf	Indeed
2021-08-21 09:06:13	rcf	If you're adventurous you could try running the mainline git kernel to verify that it will be fixed in upcoming releases or to bisect and report the problem 
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2021-08-21 10:23:18	anon_	hello
2021-08-21 10:24:02	anon_	what's the simpler and quick way to apply a patch to the arch kernel? I simply need to revert a commit, nothing else
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2021-08-21 10:24:29	anon_	currently I download the PKGBUILD, add the patch file, update checksum, and recompile it
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2021-08-21 10:45:09	ishitatsuyuki	sounds like you're doing it right
2021-08-21 10:45:37	ishitatsuyuki	unfortunately there isn't a super convenient way to quickly add a patch to PKGBUILD
2021-08-21 10:46:25	anon_	ishitatsuyuki for instance would be nice to be able to apply the commit revert without having to create the patch file
2021-08-21 10:46:38	ishitatsuyuki	it's tarball unfortunately
2021-08-21 10:46:47	ishitatsuyuki	for git packages you can just git revert -n
2021-08-21 10:50:24	anon_	ishitatsuyuki what do you mean exactly?
2021-08-21 10:50:45	shantaram	hi, I am unable to log into my machine even though I know the password I'm typing is correct (I checked it with the gdm show password thing.) I can't get to a root prompt either, except with single-user mode. The last thing I did password related on my machine was faillock --reset when I was still logged into it.
2021-08-21 11:52:52	Namarrgon	did faillock report failed login attempts?
2021-08-21 11:52:56	Namarrgon	shantaram: ^
2021-08-21 11:53:22	shantaram	yes it did
2021-08-21 11:53:36	shantaram	the reason I did the reset was because first my user account's password wasn't working
2021-08-21 11:54:10	shantaram	so I went to a root prompt and used faillock
2021-08-21 11:57:14	Namarrgon	after --reset you still couldn't log in as the user?
2021-08-21 11:58:26	shantaram	nope
2021-08-21 11:59:53	Namarrgon	what is the exact output when the log fails?
2021-08-21 12:00:26	shantaram	do you want me to go back to single user mode and post the output of faillock?
2021-08-21 12:02:14	shantaram	it just fails with "error reading tally directory: no such file or directory" now
2021-08-21 12:04:09	Namarrgon	does /var/run/faillock/ exist?
2021-08-21 12:04:28	Namarrgon	what exactly is "single-user mode" in this case?
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2021-08-21 12:05:45	shantaram	oh I'm not sure if that's the right term for it now that you mention it, I'm editing the command line to specify init=/sbin/bash
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2021-08-21 12:06:58	Namarrgon	there are no modes in thise case, you replaced all of init with a shell
2021-08-21 12:07:18	shantaram	right
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2021-08-21 12:07:44	shantaram	I know there's a way to replace the target for systemd from the kernel command line I just can't remember what
2021-08-21 12:08:28	Namarrgon	"systemd.debug_shell"
2021-08-21 12:08:51	shantaram	what really
2021-08-21 12:08:52	shantaram	is that it
2021-08-21 12:08:57	Namarrgon	that's it
2021-08-21 12:09:13	Namarrgon	/var/run is a symlink to ../run, which isn't mounted here
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2021-08-21 12:09:52	Namarrgon	and /run is a tmpfs, so it won't survive a reboot
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2021-08-21 12:10:48	shantaram	uhhh systemd.debug_shell just brought me back into my usual gdm thing
2021-08-21 12:10:58	Namarrgon	switch to vt9
2021-08-21 12:11:07	Namarrgon	or 8, somewhere thereabouts
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2021-08-21 12:12:37	shantaram	oh okay
2021-08-21 12:13:15	shantaram	oH I SEE IT
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2021-08-21 12:15:15	shantaram	ok it says "username:<newline>When<whitespace>Type<whitespace>Source<whitespace>Valid"
2021-08-21 12:15:19	shantaram	but nothing else
2021-08-21 12:16:27	Namarrgon	--reset it for that user, try to login and see if you get a new entry
2021-08-21 12:16:35	Namarrgon	why can't you log in as root?
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2021-08-21 12:16:49	Namarrgon	try to log in from the vt, not through gdm
2021-08-21 12:16:54	shantaram	no idea, I put in the root password and it fails with login incorrect
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2021-08-21 12:17:31	shantaram	resetting it for my user did not work, did not add a new entry either
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2021-08-21 12:19:06	shantaram	trying to log in from the vt adds two new lines to faillock output, first line is "root:" and second line is same as the one from before
2021-08-21 12:21:03	Namarrgon	which keyboard layout are you using?
2021-08-21 12:21:16	shantaram	English US
2021-08-21 12:21:24	Namarrgon	you're trying to log in in gdm or on the vt?
2021-08-21 12:21:55	shantaram	tried logging into root from only the vt, tried my own account from both the vt and root
2021-08-21 12:22:05	shantaram	*and gdm
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2021-08-21 12:23:04	Namarrgon	what do you see in the journal for the login attempt?
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2021-08-21 12:26:43	shantaram	failed login session from tty2 for sid, Module is unknown. there's a bunch of other stuff too but ncat doesn't print anything when I try to send the output to termbin
2021-08-21 12:26:46	shantaram	one second
2021-08-21 12:27:33	shantaram	ok I'm back
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2021-08-21 12:30:32	shantaram	Namarrgon: https://clbin.com/AfsVA last 50 lines of journalctl
2021-08-21 12:31:20	Namarrgon	did you mess around with pam recently?
2021-08-21 12:31:40	Namarrgon	are there any pacnews in /etc/pam.d?
2021-08-21 12:32:11	niki	did you install all updates with pacman?
2021-08-21 12:32:28	shantaram	no pacnews, and the last time I was messing with pam was trying to set up fingerprint login, which didn't work
2021-08-21 12:32:37	Namarrgon	when was that?
2021-08-21 12:32:37	shantaram	niki: yeah, I updated this morning
2021-08-21 12:33:04	shantaram	it was a few weeks ago at least
2021-08-21 12:33:08	niki	Hm okay sounds like you should probably check your pam config and see if you have any fingerprint login type modules you should comment out
2021-08-21 12:33:35	Namarrgon	pacman -Qqo /etc/pam.d | pacman -Qkk -
2021-08-21 12:35:06	shantaram	how do I make it redirect stderr to stdout so that can go in the clbin too?
2021-08-21 12:35:43	niki	2>&1
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2021-08-21 12:37:13	Namarrgon	"PAM unable to dlopen(/usr/lib/security/pam_tally2.so): /usr/lib/security/pam_tally2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
2021-08-21 12:37:23	Namarrgon	something is still looking for tally2
2021-08-21 12:37:40	Namarrgon	check your modified pam configs again, you failed to merge a pacnew
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2021-08-21 12:38:06	shantaram	https://clbin.com/0vC09 okay that's the output of the command Namarrgon posted
2021-08-21 12:38:47	shantaram	oh
2021-08-21 12:38:56	Namarrgon	backup file: pambase: /etc/pam.d/system-login (Size mismatch)
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2021-08-21 12:39:27	Namarrgon	wait, nvm, that's just a backup
2021-08-21 12:39:29	shantaram	I see the line in system-login
2021-08-21 12:39:56	shantaram	I deleted it
2021-08-21 12:40:06	shantaram	ok, rebooting
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2021-08-21 12:40:49	Namarrgon	you don't need to reboot, just log in
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2021-08-21 12:42:17	shan	IT WORKED! thanks a bunch Namarrgon + niki :0
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2021-08-21 13:33:06	Llamamoe	Hey people, does anyone have a good starting point for figuring out how I might try to set up an Arch Linux subsystem within my Android phone? Presumably via chroot, but whatever works is fine with me. 
2021-08-21 13:34:07	another|	is your phone running x86-64 ?
2021-08-21 13:34:08	Namarrgon	Llamamoe: do you have an x86_64 phone?
2021-08-21 13:35:50	Llamamoe	Namarrgon, another|: No, it's a typical ARMv8 device 
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2021-08-21 13:36:07	Namarrgon	#archlinuxarm is next door
2021-08-21 13:36:12	Llamamoe	Ah thank you :-)
2021-08-21 13:36:15	Namarrgon	but they might not want to support that usecase either
2021-08-21 13:36:22	alad	is it even possible to set up any subsystem in new android phones anyway
2021-08-21 13:36:33	alad	because they disallow exec() 
2021-08-21 13:36:45	Llamamoe	alad: Yeah, there's apps for it and I've seen some app-independent guides (that require a rooted device, which is fine with me)
2021-08-21 13:36:54	Llamamoe	But they typically revolve around setting up Debian 
2021-08-21 13:37:03	alad	termux used to work
2021-08-21 13:37:32	alad	maybe if you can use some old SDK version, it still might
2021-08-21 13:37:41	Llamamoe	E.g. LinuxDeploy(requires root, uses chroot), Termux
2021-08-21 13:38:04	Llamamoe	I had some issues with LinuxDeploy though, don't remember what went wrong but didn't know how to debug it 
2021-08-21 13:39:36	Llamamoe	https://github.com/TermuxArch/TermuxArch
2021-08-21 13:39:39	Llamamoe	Apparently this exists 
2021-08-21 13:40:02	alad	!hmmm
2021-08-21 13:40:03	phrik	https://i.redd.it/6sg63uxoyhoz.jpg
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2021-08-21 13:40:57	alad	this code is impossible to audit, all that's missing is putting everything on a single line
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2021-08-21 13:41:20	alad	but it indeed uses alarm, not arch
2021-08-21 13:41:45	thrice	what does one even do with an android chroot on their phone?
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2021-08-21 13:42:03	thrice	party trick at a bar?
2021-08-21 13:42:17	alad	thrice: use weechat in public without accusations of being a dirty hacker
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2021-08-21 14:12:11	perrierjouet	something akward
2021-08-21 14:12:11	perrierjouet	weechat did not work on st, it works on alacritty
2021-08-21 14:12:11	thrice	ok
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2021-08-21 14:22:27	perrierjouet	spamassassin sudo -u spamd sa-update && sudo -u spamd sa-compile I get sa-update command not found
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2021-08-21 14:23:15	Scimmia	perrierjouet: what's your PATH?
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2021-08-21 14:25:29	perrierjouet	in PATH I have :/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/.local/bin
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2021-08-21 14:26:17	Scimmia	so you're missing all of the perl paths, at least. What shell?
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2021-08-21 14:26:28	perrierjouet	I found the culprit sa-update from pacman -Ql gives /usr/bin/vendor_perl/
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2021-08-21 14:26:46	Namarrgon	that's not the culprit, your $PATH is broken
2021-08-21 14:27:06	Namarrgon	unless you managed to uninstall perl somehow
2021-08-21 14:27:26	frostwork	check /etc/profile.d/perlbin.sh
2021-08-21 14:28:16	perrierjouet	perlbin.sh http://ix.io/2zqx
2021-08-21 14:28:33	Scimmia	yeah, we don't need that. Again, what shell?
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2021-08-21 14:28:45	perrierjouet	zsh
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2021-08-21 14:29:09	Scimmia	so it should be sourcing /etc/profile. You probably didn't merge your .pacnew files
2021-08-21 14:29:36	perrierjouet	I reinstalled perl
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2021-08-21 14:29:43	Scimmia	that won't help
2021-08-21 14:29:53	Namarrgon	perl is not the problem, your $PATH is broken
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2021-08-21 14:30:56	Namarrgon	find /etc -iname "*.pacnew"
2021-08-21 14:31:27	Scimmia	it's also possible you're overriding the standard PATH somewhere
2021-08-21 14:31:39	Scimmia	but this is usually a pacnew issue
2021-08-21 14:33:02	perrierjouet	am cleaning my zshenv
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2021-08-21 14:52:55	slimefoot	PATH starting with : is also a bit unusual
2021-08-21 14:52:55	slimefoot	also /.local/bin looks odd - overall it seems like you're somehow using unset variables there
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2021-08-21 14:52:55	amosbird	Hello! Is there any good recent file picker to recommend)?
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2021-08-21 14:54:19	perrierjouet	ix does not work anymore ?
2021-08-21 14:55:30	mingdao	0x0.sh works well for me
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2021-08-21 15:25:41	thrice	according tot he wiki, "gnome-extensions list --enabled" can be used
2021-08-21 15:25:49	phonemic	Scimmia: "yeah they appear to be" that answered both questions
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2021-08-21 15:57:21	dieggsy	does anyone know if there's any chance libgccjit will make it into one of the main repositories (not AUR) ?
2021-08-21 15:57:30	perrierjouet	Scimmia: so my PATH is ok or no ? in zsh the right way to set path is in zshenv right ?
2021-08-21 15:58:04	nl6720	perrierjouet: the issue is not where but how
2021-08-21 15:58:17	Scimmia	!bail
2021-08-21 15:58:18	phrik	Looks like Scimmia is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2021-08-21 15:58:24	nl6720	append of prepend to the path array, but don't overwrite it
2021-08-21 15:58:41	Caesar	dieggsy: Looks like rust will add it as a proper backend. Wonder if that'll require adding it.
2021-08-21 15:59:16	plaava	hello
2021-08-21 15:59:31	dieggsy	ˈt͡sɛːzaɐ̯: emacs also requires it for native compilation, which will eventually be available in stable. it's won't be "required" technically though
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2021-08-21 16:21:58	nl6720	ah, found the issue I remembered https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/60830
2021-08-21 16:21:59	phrik	Title: FS#60830 : [zeitgeist] gnome ecosystem: Git package versioning is poorly thought out and breaks vercmp (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2021-08-21 16:22:38	Ckat	>The entire gnome stack really needs this change.
2021-08-21 16:22:40	Ckat	lol
2021-08-21 16:23:06	Ckat	always gnome
2021-08-21 16:23:24	nl6720	the issue is not gnome itself
2021-08-21 16:23:57	plaava	!linux
2021-08-21 16:23:57	phrik	there's no place like ~/
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2021-08-21 17:02:39	thrice	that's not specific to gnome at all, but arch's choice in packaging
2021-08-21 17:11:21	securethemews	I have an issue with ssh where it doesnt read $SSH_AUTH_SOCK unless i add it as the IdentityAgent SSH option (-o IdentityAgent=$SSH_AUTH_SOCK). what do i need to check?
2021-08-21 17:13:07	earnestly	> sees versioning used on gnome git packages, predicted this problem, is a little smug
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2021-08-21 17:41:09	securethemews	Greenman: the homepage is the best place for stuff like that
2021-08-21 17:41:28	mpan	securethemews: which is already mentioned in the question.
2021-08-21 17:42:11	Greenman	what text colors are allowed here
2021-08-21 17:42:38	mpan	Any, but not used pointlessly to bring attention to your question or used in otherwise diruptive manner.
2021-08-21 17:48:25	Greenman	is there any way to exclude packages from the upgrade list? I use node version manager, and pacman wants to upgrade nodejs and npm, but I would prefer to manage my nodejs installation using nvm
2021-08-21 17:50:40	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-21 17:51:04	mpan	Greenman: safely? No. The safest way is to postopne the whole update, but the longe you postpone it, the more likely you will break something later and the longer you have unfixed bugs. Less safe is --ignore or ignoring packages in pacman configuration, but that is partial upgrade and, if you do that, this is unsupported here and you are on your own.
2021-08-21 17:51:14	mpan	Greenman: most likely you do not want to not upgrade packages.
2021-08-21 17:51:43	Greenman	but I'm managing that package with node version manager
2021-08-21 17:52:20	mpan	You should not use multiple package managers to manage the system if you want to avoid issues.
2021-08-21 17:52:34	Greenman	nvm is not a package manager
2021-08-21 17:52:46	mpan	Whatever you say…
2021-08-21 17:52:50	niki	Did you actually read the pacman and nodejs wiki pages or are you just trolling 
2021-08-21 17:53:07	Greenman	I didn't catch the ignore list thing in pacman the first time
2021-08-21 17:55:09	mpan	Greenman: you are going to run into conflicts, at which point you will be told exactly what I have told you above. You choice whether you fix your system now or be told to do that after you finally get into trouble.
2021-08-21 17:58:47	lavaball	is mupen64plus no longer the emulator of choice when it comes to n64? i remember it working greatly a few years back. now it's flickering on one box, and on both the sound is a bit late. 
2021-08-21 18:02:14	niki	Hmm maybe you need to fiddle around with some settings? The N64 is very difficult to emulate iirc
2021-08-21 18:02:21	Greenman	mpan: I don't see how I would run into conflicts. I checked Node.js on the Arch Wiki and it didn't say anything was wrong with using nvm
2021-08-21 18:02:42	mpan	Greenman: sure, whatever. 
2021-08-21 18:03:18	Greenman	lavaball: I've used that emulator in Retroarch recently and haven't had any issues
2021-08-21 18:07:53	Greenman	is anyone on kernel version 5.13.12.arch1-1?
2021-08-21 18:08:04	mpan	!anyone
2021-08-21 18:08:05	phrik	Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2021-08-21 18:08:15	Namarrgon	everyone
2021-08-21 18:08:23	lavaball	Greenman, in retro arch it seems to work. no flickering so far. thanks a bunch.
2021-08-21 18:08:48	Greenman	no issues with the new kernel version, right?
2021-08-21 18:09:03	Greenman	lavaball: I'll check again in a bit and see if I can reproduce the issue
2021-08-21 18:09:13	Greenman	oh wait I read it wrong
2021-08-21 18:09:15	Greenman	no problem
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2021-08-21 18:29:10	Foxboron	Hm, I think apparently nvme disks support multiple modes defined as "lbaf", and lbaf=3 should be 4096 sector size, however mine only reports lbaf=0
2021-08-21 18:29:13	Foxboron	so unsupported it seems?
2021-08-21 18:48:04	Foxboron	h4rd3n3D_: sudo nvme id-ns -H
2021-08-21 18:48:12	Foxboron	how many LBA Formats do you have?
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2021-08-21 18:53:17	niki	I don't understand the output of nvme https://paste.rs/VmT 
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2021-08-21 18:59:24	Foxboron	;)
2021-08-21 18:59:27	Foxboron	:)*
2021-08-21 18:59:34	Foxboron	So only 512 sector size is support on yours as well
2021-08-21 18:59:35	Foxboron	nice
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2021-08-21 19:03:00	pikaburk	Hi
2021-08-21 19:03:12	pikaburk	Where can I donate for archlinux project ?
2021-08-21 19:03:25	pikaburk	or be a member of archlinux foundation
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2021-08-21 19:05:54	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Donate (at archlinux.org)
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2021-08-21 19:06:01	teraflops	https://archlinux.org/donate/
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2021-08-21 19:07:50	Foxboron	There is no Arch Linux foundation fwiw
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2021-08-21 19:09:25	NetSysFire	Foxboron  when will we get one? :p
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2021-08-21 19:09:44	Foxboron	NetSysFire: Personal opinion: hopefully never
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2021-08-21 19:10:35	ℹ 	radomir es conocido ahora como high1
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2021-08-21 19:11:23	teraflops	Foundations are great for money-laundering!
2021-08-21 19:11:33	pikaburk	h4rd3n3D_: what is the link, because I'm french a click and pledge say me paid to dolar with U.S address citizen
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2021-08-21 19:13:14	pikaburk	does I need to use spi-inc with paypal ? I don't have paypal account and I don't want to create one
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2021-08-21 19:24:17	duelle	Hi all, I am struggling with color management using xiccd/colord. I managed to set some profiles but a diagnosing output of darktable-cmstest tells me, that there is also a profile loaded by "X atom". Do you know where that is set so I can edit it? I didn't find any clue on how to modify it.
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2021-08-21 19:26:55	kissofdeath	yo archos
2021-08-21 19:27:38	NetSysFire	!welcomerpg
2021-08-21 19:27:39	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux - How can we assist you?
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2021-08-21 19:28:52	kissofdeath	i just want to see what you do here
2021-08-21 19:28:54	kissofdeath	thanks
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2021-08-21 19:46:27	kissofdeath	its lightweighter
2021-08-21 19:47:09	superboot	Hi all. I'm new to Arch (not new to linux), and see there is no "man" command on the system. What package is that included in?
2021-08-21 19:47:39	kissofdeath	yeah sounds like much work
2021-08-21 19:47:42	kissofdeath	ok my friends have fun
2021-08-21 19:47:52	kissofdeath	ciao
2021-08-21 19:47:55	kissofdeath	ciao
2021-08-21 19:48:05	nl6720	!aw man pages
2021-08-21 19:48:07	phrik	nl6720: Man Pages - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Man_Pages
2021-08-21 19:48:12	nl6720	superboot: ^
2021-08-21 19:48:25	superboot	nl6720: Thank you. :)
2021-08-21 19:49:52	cyphertite	superboot:  Name            : man-db Version         : 2.9.4-2
2021-08-21 19:51:12	concrete-houses	question: if I have 3 disk LVM stripe over usb 2 should I use the NONE i/o scheduler
2021-08-21 19:51:24	concrete-houses	I run qbittorrent and chrome mostly
2021-08-21 19:53:49	cyphertite	concrete-houses:  what do your test results indicate?
2021-08-21 19:54:31	shadowbird2468	hey, Im suspecting that my pulseaudio is choosing HDMI over my regular stereo output jack during boot up. how can I check if thats so? I need to replug my stereo plug after every boot to get sound out of my speakers.
2021-08-21 19:55:09	concrete-houses	test results?
2021-08-21 19:55:20	concrete-houses	lol
2021-08-21 20:01:45	cyphertite	concrete-houses:  ah, now I understand...you expect someone who has an identical setup to test the various performance differences for you.  Sound about right?
2021-08-21 20:02:36	Betal	isn't usb2 speed supose to be slower than HD speed? so I don't see the point of stripe 3 disks
2021-08-21 20:04:18	concrete-houses	no just someone who might say something like well if LVM the milicore i/o sched should in theory help a lot or not at all so run none
2021-08-21 20:04:54	concrete-houses	yes the usb2 runs about 20megs I think the drives are like 60 or 70
2021-08-21 20:05:06	concrete-houses	so its hmmm I'm trying to visualize it
2021-08-21 20:05:25	concrete-houses	will the usb2 be the weak link no matter what I do?
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2021-08-21 20:06:08	concrete-houses	I am running a pixz -9 tar up of a folder on the lvm drive
2021-08-21 20:06:18	concrete-houses	starting with none sched
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2021-08-21 20:06:37	cyphertite	concrete-houses:  If you know the type of answer you want/prefer, why didn't you just frame your original question that way?
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2021-08-21 20:07:01	concrete-houses	huh?
2021-08-21 20:07:17	bebop	pulseaudio -k fixed my connection problem in bluetooth
2021-08-21 20:07:31	concrete-houses	if you have no idea thats fine
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2021-08-21 20:08:34	teraflops	bebop: that's what we call a classic
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2021-08-21 20:09:16	cyphertite	lols teraflops 
2021-08-21 20:09:19	bebop	heh teraflops yeah always should try the easiest stuff first
2021-08-21 20:09:22	bebop	:P
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2021-08-21 20:09:57	bebop	how come arch/eos hasn't switched to pipewire audio ?
2021-08-21 20:10:03	bebop	or is that in the works for future?
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2021-08-21 20:10:19	teraflops	because arch ships both
2021-08-21 20:10:24	teraflops	there is no default
2021-08-21 20:10:32	bebop	gotcha
2021-08-21 20:10:56	bebop	I've been on debian for the last 18+ish years
2021-08-21 20:11:11	teraflops	lot of people is switching to pipewire, that's for suer, and the wiki is plenty of stuff regarding that
2021-08-21 20:11:18	teraflops	sure^
2021-08-21 20:11:18	bebop	finally migrated this main work machine though
2021-08-21 20:12:03	cyphertite	bebop:  been running pipewire, without issue on several rigs, for many months here
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2021-08-21 20:12:28	bebop	cyphertite: what's the biggest plus that you've seen so far?
2021-08-21 20:12:55	cyphertite	no audio or B/T issues
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2021-08-21 20:13:24	bebop	I don't typically either and haven't had issues before. 
2021-08-21 20:13:55	bebop	so far this machine is smooth af
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2021-08-21 20:14:25	teraflops	bebop: yeah it's different. arch does not have an installer, arch does not install a DE or WM, arch does not have those downstream tools like update-grub, upadte alternatives and whatnot
2021-08-21 20:14:40	bebop	yeah I know, I'm on it
2021-08-21 20:14:44	teraflops	and arch does not enable and start every single service you install
2021-08-21 20:14:57	concrete-houses	I thought arch had a new installer
2021-08-21 20:15:14	teraflops	there is a scriptable thingy
2021-08-21 20:15:30	teraflops	but it's not the default either
2021-08-21 20:16:11	Mysterytrain	thanksfully
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2021-08-21 20:16:27	teraflops	idk never tried it so I have no optinion
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2021-08-21 20:18:30	teraflops	bt + pipewire, which codecs do you have? SBC only? that'd be an issue for me
2021-08-21 20:19:00	teraflops	because I have ssc apt-x and ldac devices
2021-08-21 20:19:05	teraflops	aac^
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2021-08-21 20:19:49	cyphertite	If you want a functional, correct system, please just follow the standard AW installation method from the archwiki
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2021-08-21 20:25:34	nova	When I press the fan button on my laptop, I don't really know what happens, but I guess it connects to the firmware to toggle between two fan settings. I did run powertop, once (NOT with the -c/--calibrate flag), and I feel like the fan doesn't work the same. Could powertop have configured something against my consent?
2021-08-21 20:25:47	teraflops	that installer if I'm not wrong is focused in automating the process more than it being a tradicional installer
2021-08-21 20:26:14	teraflops	fan button TIL
2021-08-21 20:26:26	mefistofeles	turbo!
2021-08-21 20:26:45	Erus_Iluvatar	Yup my wife's MSI laptop has one
2021-08-21 20:26:50	nova	Honestly, I am scared of powertop -c. I think I did that once a while ago, and it messed some things up, and I never cared to properly learn how to unbreak everything. That was on a different install on a different laptop, though
2021-08-21 20:27:03	teraflops	powertop wont mess anything
2021-08-21 20:27:26	teraflops	because you have to apply any changes powertop is suggesting one my one
2021-08-21 20:27:34	teraflops	and you can un-do what you did
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2021-08-21 20:27:56	teraflops	imo for a laptop powertop is a must
2021-08-21 20:28:36	nova	Ok. Should I read the !aw powertop and go for it? I am honestly afrighten, but I trust random strangers on the intertubes.
2021-08-21 20:28:54	teraflops	read the wiki yeah
2021-08-21 20:29:17	nova	Any other sage words of advice, Mx. Teraflops?
2021-08-21 20:29:48	teraflops	hah drink beer and chill w/ friends
2021-08-21 20:31:23	teraflops	to read the wiki is a great advice, same as read the man pages is
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2021-08-21 20:32:32	squatch	What timing for this discussion, I was just reading about powertop
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2021-08-21 20:38:36	nova	squatch, as they say - and we all know who "they" are - great minds think alike and do things concurrently without collusion or knowledge of the other (eg, invention of calculus independently, etc).
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2021-08-21 20:42:22	concrete-houses	if houses were free life be relaxing
2021-08-21 20:42:58	concrete-houses	so far with lvm it seems none is best performing scheduler!
2021-08-21 20:43:16	concrete-houses	still have to test mq-dl and kyber but bfq btfo
2021-08-21 20:43:38	concrete-houses	(hides thoughts of latency vs throughput)
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2021-08-21 20:44:31	demon	Arch is really great when it doesn't break.
2021-08-21 20:44:35	demon	No breakage in over a year
2021-08-21 20:44:52	Mellowlink	hello there. have anyone managed get cpu temperatures on ryzen 5000 series?
2021-08-21 20:44:56	Mellowlink	i tried k10temp and later compiling and loading zenpower. neither of them works for me.
2021-08-21 20:45:23	Mellowlink	well patched zenpower get freq but still no temps
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2021-08-21 20:47:58	teraflops	bebop: heh, to be honest, after been using debian unstable and apt pining nightmare, arch is like childsplay
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2021-08-21 20:49:32	demonicmaniac	nova: not really anything in the wiki about powertop you simply enabled the service autotuning
2021-08-21 20:49:42	demonicmaniac	that covers 99% of all cases
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2021-08-21 20:51:04	teraflops	you cn disable/enable the suggested options on powertop anyway iirc
2021-08-21 20:51:09	teraflops	can^
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2021-08-21 20:52:58	demonicmaniac	but you don't want to press 100x tab or whatever it was to enable them one by one
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2021-08-21 20:56:40	nova	Mellowlink, "manged to get cpu temperatures"? I have ryzen5 cpu, and the temp is in /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp (sometimes it's zone2). I have never used any of that stuff, but make sure you check /sys/class/... for zone
2021-08-21 20:56:42	lmat	Were my eyes deceiving me, or did pacman download more than one package at a time a second ago!? :-o
2021-08-21 20:56:46	demon	teraflops: not a huge fan of debian anymore gl with that
2021-08-21 20:57:08	teraflops	lmat: yeah ;)
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2021-08-21 20:59:04	demon	lmat: you can enable simultaneous downloads
2021-08-21 21:00:31	demon	pacman.conf ParallelDownloads = 
2021-08-21 21:00:33	demon	^_^
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2021-08-21 21:00:59	nova	lmat, your eyes are functioning. congratulations.
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2021-08-21 21:01:28	teraflops	👁  
2021-08-21 21:01:45	Mellowlink	nova: ryzen5 but which series? it's usually ryzen X XXXX. Does not matter if it's 3, 5 or 7.
2021-08-21 21:02:10	Mellowlink	/sys/class/thermal/ folder has cooling_deviceXX in it. no relevant data there
2021-08-21 21:03:43	demonicmaniac	it's not a matter of cpu for the thermals really it's about the specific laptop and firmware of said laptop
2021-08-21 21:03:53	demonicmaniac	whether they expose it and you can access it
2021-08-21 21:04:21	nova	Mellowlink, I can't remember. 3000 I think. This looks like it gets the CPU temperature, though :)  cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone*/temp | sed 's/\(.\)..$/.\1°C/'
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2021-08-21 21:04:44	demonicmaniac	useless use of cat :P
2021-08-21 21:04:50	MrElendig	zenpower from aur
2021-08-21 21:04:53	nova	I know it was just a copy paste and lazy
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2021-08-21 21:07:25	MrElendig	nova: ^
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2021-08-21 21:07:25	nova	sed 's/\(.\)..$/.\1°C/' < /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone*/temp  happy? :)
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2021-08-21 21:07:25	MrElendig	er,, Mellowlink 
2021-08-21 21:07:25	Mellowlink	it's a desktop B550 motherboard with Ryzen 7 5700G
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2021-08-21 21:07:25	Mellowlink	nova: this command works fine on my thinkpad but apparently there is no file or directory when it comes to my desktop
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2021-08-21 21:07:28	nova	huh. dunno! try Mr Elendig's fancy package. Maybe it is smart. Good luck :-)
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2021-08-21 21:07:58	Mellowlink	20:44 <Mellowlink> i tried k10temp and later compiling and loading zenpower. neither of them works for me.
2021-08-21 21:08:00	Mellowlink	this
2021-08-21 21:08:14	MrElendig	note: amd removed some metrics from the 5xxx serie because it could be used to side channel attack the cpu
2021-08-21 21:08:16	Mellowlink	i tried that package and even tried patching it and compiling it later
2021-08-21 21:08:20	MrElendig	phoronix did a piece about it
2021-08-21 21:08:25	lmat	Sweet. pacman -Rsu powerpill;  ^_^
2021-08-21 21:08:26	nova	hehe nevermind
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2021-08-21 21:09:00	Mellowlink	i wouldn't bother you guys before searching for the issue
2021-08-21 21:09:07	Mellowlink	MrElendig: can you link the article please?
2021-08-21 21:10:33	MrElendig	too lazy to search right now, watching anime
2021-08-21 21:10:35	Mellowlink	MrElendig: it's weird because bios itself shows cpu and motherboard temperatures
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2021-08-21 21:11:02	MrElendig	that is not weird
2021-08-21 21:11:37	MrElendig	also note that support for a lot of the motherboard monitor chips are also out of tree or non-existing too
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2021-08-21 21:24:39	demon	aurman is faster than trizen
2021-08-21 21:24:45	demon	why didn't I try this before ;x
2021-08-21 21:24:55	Mellowlink	could be but the motherboard is not that new. i could try booting up BSD and see how it's supported there.
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2021-08-21 21:25:46	demon	oof
2021-08-21 21:25:51	demon	it's not maintained anmore
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2021-08-21 21:26:32	demon	anymore*
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2021-08-21 21:32:18	damarusama	-Syu tell me there is nothing to do
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2021-08-21 21:32:42	damarusama	but I haven't -Syu in a couple weeks, it's pretty doubtful
2021-08-21 21:32:43	◣	mei (~mei@user/mei) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2021-08-21 21:32:52	sheep	maybe your mirror is outdated
2021-08-21 21:33:10	damarusama	something wrong for sure, I'll check the mirror list - can I do it from pacman / 
2021-08-21 21:33:13	damarusama	?
2021-08-21 21:33:33	sheep	https://archlinux.org/mirrors/status/
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2021-08-21 21:36:34	demon	mirror-select?
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2021-08-21 21:36:39	kkd	hello, is there a workaround for 'linux' upgrades not wrecking the module loading, in absence of versioned kernels?
2021-08-21 21:36:57	demon	reflector rather
2021-08-21 21:36:58	damarusama	sheep: thanks - fresh canadian mirror, so much faster too :D 
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2021-08-21 21:37:23	damarusama	I used this to create a new list for myself : https://archlinux.org/mirrorlist/
2021-08-21 21:37:24	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Pacman Mirrorlist Generator (at archlinux.org)
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2021-08-21 21:37:56	demon	damarusama: reflector tool is valuable in this situation
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2021-08-21 21:38:07	demon	finds the fastest mirror for you
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2021-08-21 21:38:21	Namarrgon	kkd: only hacks but 'kernel-modules-hook' was added to the repos recently, which might work well enough for you
2021-08-21 21:38:48	damarusama	demon: nice - didn't know about it, I'll look into it after this latest Syu (which is massive)
2021-08-21 21:39:01	kkd	thanks, I'll look into that
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2021-08-21 21:39:48	lachesis	i'm ending my experiment with btrfs. been using it since 2009 but its just too slow. xfs or ext4 for root?
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2021-08-21 21:40:16	demon	I use btrfs for root
2021-08-21 21:40:19	demon	it works just fine
2021-08-21 21:40:22	damarusama	super noob question (once more) can I do without the linux-firmware package? Is it only for extra driver or it's essential ? 
2021-08-21 21:40:53	demon	I don't understand what's slow about btrfs. It works great with snapper
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2021-08-21 21:40:56	Namarrgon	damarusama: you can do without it only when you run hardware that doesn'T require firmware, which is unlikely to be the case with any desktop/laptop
2021-08-21 21:41:00	sheep	you need it for a lot of common drivers, like most GPUs, a lot of network interfaces, and a lot of audio interfaces
2021-08-21 21:41:11	lachesis	demon, my fio results don't lie. 1/5th the R/W speed on my new nvme vs my /boot on the same drive. sure, this is a decade old partition but that shouldn't matter
2021-08-21 21:41:14	demon	damarusama: kind of essential for some things to work correctly
2021-08-21 21:41:31	demon	lachesis: I have none of those issues
2021-08-21 21:41:35	demon	Running NVme here
2021-08-21 21:41:44	damarusama	ok I used to not have it in my system (when running pacgrpah) but I think since I have a nvidia gpu that package started to show up
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2021-08-21 21:41:54	demon	NVMe
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2021-08-21 21:42:22	demon	damarusama: it's pretty necessary for a lot of wireless cards and other things to work properly
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2021-08-21 21:42:27	demon	Some wireless cards won't even work without it
2021-08-21 21:42:37	damarusama	yeah didn't run wireless card on my system
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2021-08-21 21:42:53	damarusama	nor audio or gpu (before buy the nvidia)
2021-08-21 21:42:54	demon	Everyone's situation is different
2021-08-21 21:42:58	demon	I have a laptop that requires it.
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2021-08-21 21:43:12	damarusama	and there is no way to reduce the size of the package by using only selected drivers? 
2021-08-21 21:43:31	demon	Uh
2021-08-21 21:43:32	Namarrgon	no, arch doesn't split the package up
2021-08-21 21:43:36	demon	Nope
2021-08-21 21:43:38	damarusama	is that what you would do when you compile your own kernal ? 
2021-08-21 21:43:40	damarusama	ok 
2021-08-21 21:43:43	Namarrgon	you can filter it yourself but it's not worth the effort
2021-08-21 21:43:48	demon	really not
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2021-08-21 21:43:54	Namarrgon	you can also compress it
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2021-08-21 21:45:12	damarusama	not a big deal, I just used to not have that when looking at pacgraph, libreoffice used to be the biggest package out there :D 
2021-08-21 21:45:33	Namarrgon	it's unlikely that you used to not have it since the kernel depends on it
2021-08-21 21:45:44	Namarrgon	and has depended on it  for a long time
2021-08-21 21:45:54	Janhouse	Can I somehow disable text console on 2nd monitor? I want to set console resolution but 2nd montitor is smaller and forces lower resolution. Sucks for KMS.
2021-08-21 21:46:02	demon	lachesis: I just cannot do without snapshots. ext4 may be a little faster but I haven't noticed any sizeable difference
2021-08-21 21:46:19	damarusama	Namarrgon: weird, maybe it used to be smaller than libre office? 
2021-08-21 21:46:41	damarusama	618mb for libreoffice, 652mb for linux firmware
2021-08-21 21:46:42	lachesis	demon, yeah i use them a lot on my servers with zfs
2021-08-21 21:46:42	Namarrgon	i don't think anybody tracks that particular relation
2021-08-21 21:46:48	damarusama	hehehe 
2021-08-21 21:46:50	Namarrgon	yes, the firmware package keeps growing
2021-08-21 21:46:52	lachesis	but i have never actually used on root (except for docker's nonsense)
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2021-08-21 21:48:03	damarusama	I used to take a monthly packgraph and try to remove all the biggest package out there, some sort of spring cleaning
2021-08-21 22:13:55	heat	how do sound themes work? I'm using KDE and I'm somehow getting a dialog window sound from /usr/share/sounds/elementary, despite not having changed anything (I think!). I'd like to get the old sound back
2021-08-21 22:53:50	defnotHD	I have a crazy thing happening! I can boot the live install fine but after I install it won't boot to my monitor. I can turn on a spice viewer and see that it is running but there is no monitor output.
2021-08-21 22:53:52	defnotHD	Thoughts?
2021-08-21 22:54:56	teraflops	Spice viewer as in qemu vm?
2021-08-21 22:54:58	plasma	spice viewer?
2021-08-21 22:55:15	defnotHD	teraflops: Yes that is right.
2021-08-21 22:55:41	teraflops	Try to be as much detailed as you can
2021-08-21 22:55:49	defnotHD	I am passing my GPU to the VM and it works great for the live install and the OS can see the pci gpu just fine and the drivers are loaded...but nothing is displayed.
2021-08-21 22:56:48	defnotHD	I have installed several ways I was initially doing a basic install with no DE or anything manually.
2021-08-21 22:56:59	defnotHD	My host OS is also ARCH so I know I know how to set it up.
2021-08-21 22:57:12	teraflops	What os is the guest?
2021-08-21 22:57:20	defnotHD	But since it has been a pain to configure over and over to see whats wrong I have been trying `archinstall`.
2021-08-21 22:57:34	teraflops	Arch I guess nvm
2021-08-21 22:57:45	defnotHD	yes, arch guest on arch host.
2021-08-21 22:58:06	defnotHD	my windows guests work great and the gpu passthrough is amazing.
2021-08-21 22:58:49	defnotHD	Just seems very strange that the .iso boots fine but none of my installs have worked.
2021-08-21 22:59:30	Namarrgon	you can't see even the bootloader output?
2021-08-21 23:01:26	defnotHD	Namarrgon: Correct nothing shows up on the GPU monitor. But when I take the same VM and add the spice viewer I can see the full boot process. I did some lspci -nnk and lsmod and dmesg to try to see any problems and it looks okay.
2021-08-21 23:02:00	defnotHD	I did read something about `nomodeset` which I didn't think was actually applicatble to my circumstance but I tried it anyway and it didn't help.
2021-08-21 23:03:18	defnotHD	and looking at the liveusb it is just using the nouveau driver...nothing special going on.
2021-08-21 23:07:47	defnotHD	no ideas? I guess I should export a list of the drivers that are used during live and a list of the installed drivers too. I didn't see anything that really stood out. The installed system does have a bochs_drm that the live system doesn't appear to have.
2021-08-21 23:12:42	defnotHD	I just export a list of `live_lsmod.txt` so now I will spice it and export an installed list to compare.
2021-08-21 23:16:12	LinuxMaster1992	I am having trouble updating my machine. After pacman or yay finishes downloading the packages, it asks to import a pgp key from "Caleb Mclennan. I hit y, but then it gives an error stating that the key couldnt be looked up remotely >:-(  What do I do?
2021-08-21 23:16:54	morganamilo	Update archlinux keyring first 
2021-08-21 23:17:54	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-21 23:18:23	sheep	pacman _S archlinux-keyring
2021-08-21 23:18:26	sheep	*-S
2021-08-21 23:19:22	LinuxMaster1992	thanks! That was an easy fix :)
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2021-08-21 23:29:36	alerque	LinuxMaster1992: I'm pretty sure it's just because you spelled my last name wrong. ;-)
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2021-08-21 23:57:36	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1264 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1264 normals)
2021-08-21 23:53:29	defnotHD	okay, I have the 2 lsmods from the live and installed system but comparing them is a pain. Is there a utility to display all the same things on the same line side by side so I can actually see whats up? I tried diff and dr but because they are so different that didn't help.
2021-08-21 23:57:37	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-22 00:00:04	teraflops	sort them first
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2021-08-22 00:02:47	NetSysFire	i like vimdiff
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2021-08-22 10:45:03	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1244 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1244 normals)
2021-08-22 01:20:24	sheep	email the maintainer
2021-08-22 01:20:24	NetSysFire	then build it yourself
2021-08-22 01:20:35	MrElendig	element needs to fix their sso support already
2021-08-22 01:22:40	Danilo82	is if i knew how to email this dude
2021-08-22 01:22:54	sheep	click his name in the package page
2021-08-22 01:23:38	alad	Danilo82: broooooooooooooooooo
2021-08-22 01:23:45	Danilo82	then what
2021-08-22 01:24:22	sheep	argh the link changed from what I remember
2021-08-22 01:24:55	MrElendig	aps, bump version and fix checksum, makepkg -sirc, done
2021-08-22 01:25:00	MrElendig	asp*
2021-08-22 01:25:03	MrElendig	Danilo82: ^
2021-08-22 01:25:43	Danilo82	why fix it for me if it could be fixed for everyone?
2021-08-22 01:25:59	MrElendig	because you are impatient and want it right now
2021-08-22 01:26:01	sheep	the community repo is maintained by volunteers
2021-08-22 01:26:24	sheep	if you look at the pkgbuild it has the maintainer's and contributors' contact info
2021-08-22 01:26:32	MrElendig	most of the rest of us are willing to let the maintainers have their weekend for themself
2021-08-22 01:27:12	MrElendig	unless its a new gnome version, then we will put them to the fire!
2021-08-22 01:50:34	defnotHD	this actually makes no sense! How can the live installation media be working perfectly but the installed version fails? I have loaded the missing modules and tried a ton of stuff.
2021-08-22 01:50:43	defnotHD	There has to be something I am overlooking.
2021-08-22 01:51:26	MrElendig	logs / ssh in and get actual data on it?
2021-08-22 01:51:26	defnotHD	There is some tool/utility/thing on the live version that just makes things work...
2021-08-22 01:51:51	defnotHD	MrElendig: what kind of log would you like?
2021-08-22 01:52:08	alschaapman	defnotHD: Could you... be a little bit more specific?
2021-08-22 01:52:23	alschaapman	In what way your installation "fails"
2021-08-22 01:52:46	defnotHD	alschaapman: Oh, I guess you haven't read all my previous messages...
2021-08-22 01:52:57	alschaapman	defnotHD: Wasn't in channel
2021-08-22 01:53:25	defnotHD	The install doesn't fail but the output to the GPU doesn't work but all the drivers are loaded fine.
2021-08-22 01:53:28	MrElendig	not that there was much info in said messages
2021-08-22 01:53:38	MrElendig	except "doesn't work"
2021-08-22 01:53:49	defnotHD	I added a spice channel to view what was going on and everything looks okay.
2021-08-22 01:54:10	MrElendig	not even info about what hardware this is
2021-08-22 01:54:21	MrElendig	or how far the boot goes before the screen goes black
2021-08-22 01:54:23	alschaapman	Can you clarify about "output to the GPU"? Do you mean that nothing happens on your screen?
2021-08-22 01:54:45	defnotHD	alschaapman: correct. After installing there is no output to the screen.
2021-08-22 01:54:53	MrElendig	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Intel_graphics#Blank_screen_during_boot,_when_%22Loading_modules%22 would be a classic
2021-08-22 01:54:54	phrik	Title: Intel graphics - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-22 01:55:02	alschaapman	NO output to the screen? Like, at any point after turning it on?
2021-08-22 01:55:33	alschaapman	Do you mean that not even your boot loader displays anything? Which boot loader are you using?
2021-08-22 01:55:56	MrElendig	you should at least get the bootloader and loading kernel messages....
2021-08-22 01:56:16	defnotHD	correct there is NO output to the screen at all. The screen wakes up then reads "no signal"
2021-08-22 01:56:30	defnotHD	and its an nvidea gpu
2021-08-22 01:56:36	defnotHD	nvidia*
2021-08-22 01:56:43	MrElendig	which driver?
2021-08-22 01:56:52	defnotHD	nouovua
2021-08-22 01:56:59	defnotHD	um...how ever you spell that
2021-08-22 01:57:07	NetSysFire	nouveau
2021-08-22 01:57:12	MrElendig	also still haven't told us what card it is, except that its green
2021-08-22 01:57:17	alschaapman	You didn't install a boot loader, did you?
2021-08-22 01:57:24	MrElendig	and nouveau is pretty useless on most cards
2021-08-22 01:57:40	alschaapman	I'm ready to place my bet now. No boot loader. Who wants to get in on this action
2021-08-22 01:57:49	MrElendig	(and completely broken with others)
2021-08-22 01:58:04	defnotHD	its a gtx960 and the nouveau is the driver that the live media is loading.
2021-08-22 01:58:24	defnotHD	alschaapman: yes there is a boot loader. When I fire up the spice viewer I can view everythingn working fine.
2021-08-22 01:59:01	defnotHD	when I add a spice channel I can get into the system and check drivers and everything.
2021-08-22 01:59:45	NetSysFire	you should definitely try using the proprietary driver
2021-08-22 01:59:55	NetSysFire	i dont know what the archiso uses though
2021-08-22 01:59:56	alschaapman	Hmm. That is really weird that your system would be able to output anything graphical but wouldn't even show anything on screen at the boot loader stage
2021-08-22 02:00:13	alschaapman	Did you configure automatic boot selection or something so that the boot menu is skipped?
2021-08-22 02:00:23	alschaapman	It's just weird to me that you wouldn't even get anything on screen at that stage
2021-08-22 02:00:29	NetSysFire	no, the system boots correctly but fails to show video
2021-08-22 02:00:35	defnotHD	No, I can see the grub menu during boot through spice...
2021-08-22 02:00:46	NetSysFire	if they connect via spice, something vnc like, they can see everything
2021-08-22 02:01:00	defnotHD	NetSysFire: yes
2021-08-22 02:01:20	MrElendig	is this on hardware or a vm with passtrough?
2021-08-22 02:01:25	defnotHD	and if I boot via the live media the GPU works fine.
2021-08-22 02:01:25	NetSysFire	the latter
2021-08-22 02:02:03	alschaapman	You can view the GRUB menu over spice?
2021-08-22 02:02:13	alschaapman	Holy cow. I didn't even know that
2021-08-22 02:02:15	defnotHD	alschaapman: yes
2021-08-22 02:02:29	MrElendig	alschaapman: if its in a vm, sure
2021-08-22 02:02:41	alschaapman	Right, I thought we were talking about actual hardware
2021-08-22 02:02:44	defnotHD	MrElendig: Yes its an arch host trying to get an arch guest to load correctly. My windows guests don't have a problem...
2021-08-22 02:03:41	alschaapman	You're talking about a VM?
2021-08-22 02:03:43	MrElendig	if grub is not showing up either it sounds more like a vm config issue really
2021-08-22 02:03:53	MrElendig	since that is pre-kernel 
2021-08-22 02:03:55	alschaapman	God dammit
2021-08-22 02:04:01	defnotHD	alschaapman: what?
2021-08-22 02:04:19	defnotHD	MrElendig: I can see grub and boot via spice.
2021-08-22 02:04:49	defnotHD	the conundrum here is that the live works but the install doesn't
2021-08-22 02:05:38	MrElendig	defnotHD: yes but that is via spice
2021-08-22 02:06:55	defnotHD	MrElendig: hum, I guess I can poke some things on the VM side. But, again the live media works...how does that happen?
2021-08-22 02:09:07	ectospasm	That's easy, you're not doing something the LiveCD is doing
2021-08-22 02:10:43	defnotHD	ectospasm: ! Haha ... yep
2021-08-22 02:11:22	ectospasm	You could check the kernel cmdline of the Live CD, maybe it's using a parameter you're failing to pass.
2021-08-22 02:14:19	defnotHD	Well, I just build a new VM config with more debugging available to see if I can glimps from that side...
2021-08-22 02:20:21	nazibalalam	Am I connected?
2021-08-22 02:20:39	mefistofeles	!give nazibalalam welcoe
2021-08-22 02:20:39	phrik	nazibalalam: Eh?
2021-08-22 02:20:41	mefistofeles	!give nazibalalam welcome
2021-08-22 02:20:42	phrik	nazibalalam: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2021-08-22 02:20:43	mefistofeles	xD
2021-08-22 02:21:14	nazibalalam	Wow! I connected on my 1st attempt!
2021-08-22 02:21:29	ectospasm	Isn't that a wonderful feeling?  When it works the first time!
2021-08-22 02:21:38	nazibalalam	yes
2021-08-22 02:22:23	nazibalalam	No other website or doc could help me connect, at last the archwiki did! :)
2021-08-22 02:27:08	devcpu	h4rd3n3D: 100%
2021-08-22 02:27:39	NetSysFire	h4rd3n3D: as a wiki maintainer i can say, only if the right articles are picked
2021-08-22 02:28:43	nazibalalam	True
2021-08-22 02:28:56	nazibalalam	I learnt most of what I know from there
2021-08-22 02:29:21	NetSysFire	no doubt it is full of amazing articles, but it has its weird spots
2021-08-22 02:29:41	NetSysFire	you all are encouraged to help clarify articles and resolve problems with them
2021-08-22 02:30:02	NetSysFire	e.g i just flagged https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Matomo#php_configuration
2021-08-22 02:30:03	phrik	Title: Matomo - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-22 02:30:36	ectospasm	The wiki is how I got into Arch.
2021-08-22 02:31:01	ectospasm	I kept having obscure problems with stuff in Debian, and the Arch wiki always seemed to have what I needed.
2021-08-22 02:31:18	ectospasm	Or at least enough to give it a shot.
2021-08-22 02:31:37	NetSysFire	(see if there is anything you would like to fix! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ArchWiki:Statistics#Maintenance_statistics)
2021-08-22 02:31:39	phrik	Title: ArchWiki:Statistics - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-22 02:34:32	ectospasm	Now I've replaced or am in the process of replacing Debian with Arch everywhere.
2021-08-22 02:34:43	mefistofeles	!as
2021-08-22 02:34:43	phrik	Arch Sucks™
2021-08-22 02:35:04	ectospasm	The last holdout will be my router, because I don't know if I can be without Internet while I replace it.
2021-08-22 02:35:07	NetSysFire	!ass
2021-08-22 02:35:08	phrik	Arch *Strategically* Sucks™
2021-08-22 02:35:17	ectospasm	Arch is what you make of it.
2021-08-22 02:35:38	ectospasm	It's really flexible, but if you're not used to or want that level of flexibility you'll say it sucks.
2021-08-22 02:35:40	nazibalalam	!as
2021-08-22 02:35:40	phrik	Arch Sucks™
2021-08-22 02:35:46	nazibalalam	wow
2021-08-22 02:35:57	mefistofeles	I'll be installing arch in my work's workstation, I'm thinking of using the lts kernel, any other advices for it?
2021-08-22 02:36:16	mefistofeles	other than not installing arch on it :P that is
2021-08-22 02:36:20	ectospasm	mefistofeles: is your IT department OK with that? Are YOU the IT department?
2021-08-22 02:36:39	nazibalalam	lts?
2021-08-22 02:36:44	ectospasm	Long Term Support
2021-08-22 02:36:45	nazibalalam	I prefer latest
2021-08-22 02:36:50	mefistofeles	ectospasm: I hope they are, yes
2021-08-22 02:37:05	ectospasm	mefistofeles: seems like you should find out *before* you install Arch.
2021-08-22 02:37:07	mefistofeles	and I'm not IT
2021-08-22 02:37:22	mefistofeles	ectospasm: I did say that in the requirement
2021-08-22 02:37:48	ectospasm	I know my employer dictates Ubuntu LTS on the laptops they issue, but I don't get one of those.  I'm "stuck" with a Mac since I access customer environments with it.
2021-08-22 02:42:20	ectospasm	h4rd3n3D: I have homebrew *WITHOUT ROOT ACCESS*.  Homebrew LOVES to tell me I'm in an unsupported configuration.
2021-08-22 02:43:14	ectospasm	So, everything homebrew is in /Users/<username>/homebrew, not /usr/local/...
2021-08-22 02:43:44	ectospasm	We actually have an internal wiki article which describes how to install it that way.
2021-08-22 02:44:14	ectospasm	Yeah, some of the customers we deal with would have a conniption if we had admin access to our workstations.
2021-08-22 02:44:25	ectospasm	CISO, TISO, BISO, down the line...
2021-08-22 02:44:50	ectospasm	!ot
2021-08-22 02:44:51	phrik	ops are on it's ok
2021-08-22 02:44:59	ectospasm	I love you phrik!
2021-08-22 02:53:08	ectospasm	h4rd3n3D: some of us have to eat, and keep the roof over our heads.  I'm willing to give up a bit of autonomy for a decent paycheck.
2021-08-22 03:05:22	ectospasm	I have discovered that I can install things in ~/Applications, and life goes on.
2021-08-22 03:20:57	brocellous	Can I override makepkg.conf settings for a single invocation of makepkg?
2021-08-22 03:21:18	brocellous	Like makepkg DEBUG_CFLAGS="..." or something?
2021-08-22 03:21:36	ectospasm	brocellous: you can provide an alternate makepkg.conf and pass the parameter for an alternate config.
2021-08-22 03:21:49	ectospasm	I forget what that flag is off the top of my head.
2021-08-22 03:22:34	brocellous	hm ok
2021-08-22 03:23:36	ectospasm	brocellous: yeah, it's --config <alternate filename>
2021-08-22 03:28:22	brocellous	I can have a spare ~/.config/pacman/makepkg2.conf and that'll work alright
2021-08-22 03:28:35	brocellous	would be a neat feature to specify some of the options from cli though
2021-08-22 03:32:06	ectospasm	brocellous:  makepkg --help lists quite a bit
2021-08-22 03:32:49	ectospasm	Maybe what you want to do is there?  Or set environment variables like `DEBUG_CFLAGS="..." makepkg ...`
2021-08-22 05:39:13	blinux	Does anyone know an alternative to xfce4-appfinder? Something that can show applications by categories that I can browse? I'm using a basic i3wm interface with no desktop environment.
2021-08-22 05:39:51	blinux	I already have rofi, but that doesn't show applications by category as far as I can tell. It is a dialogue runner, not an appfinder.
2021-08-22 05:43:33	ectospasm	apropos maybe?
2021-08-22 05:44:06	ectospasm	blinux:  there is a CLI program called `apropos`, that can find manual pages for things you search for.
2021-08-22 05:44:14	ectospasm	Not sure if that's what you want.
2021-08-22 05:44:51	ectospasm	!give blinux aw list of applications
2021-08-22 05:44:52	phrik	blinux: List of applications - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications
2021-08-22 05:45:10	blinux	ectospasm: I know about apropos, but I'm pretty sure that does not have the function I'm lloking for.
2021-08-22 05:46:10	blinux	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications#Application_launchers
2021-08-22 05:46:11	phrik	Title: List of applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-22 05:46:48	blinux	That is close, I've been through that list before. I'll take another look. But I'm pretty sure I haven't found anything. They mix dialogue runners, application launchers and application finders all in one.
2021-08-22 05:46:52	ectospasm	I use something called yeganesh piped into dmenu on XMonad, but that doesn't list things by category
2021-08-22 05:48:43	ectospasm	That just lists executable files in the path, and it's searchable
2021-08-22 05:49:02	ectospasm	So, those programs need to be installed to be found.
2021-08-22 05:51:27	KingShark	i installed a very extensive package group and on second thought would rather not. pacman -R <group> runs into dependency issues. will i have to go through the group members one by one to remove them where it works?
2021-08-22 05:53:30	ectospasm	KingShark: you could probably write a script to go through them, but I'm not sure how you'd order the list for it.  Maybe dig around the `pacman -Q` documentation.
2021-08-22 05:54:07	ectospasm	So, some magic `pacman -Q` incantation piped into `pacman -R`
2021-08-22 05:55:17	blinux	I've thought of writing an ncurses application for finding applications. If there were some library to search for those .desktop files that would be needed.
2021-08-22 05:56:14	ectospasm	You could use standard utilities like find or mlocate.  But I thought you wanted this tool to suggest packages you don't have installed?
2021-08-22 05:57:12	KingShark	@ectospasm, i will try pacman -Rc, yolo :)
2021-08-22 05:58:10	ectospasm	KingShark: worst case you remove some things you want to keep, so you may have to reinstall some things.  It looks like you're OK with that!  (-;
2021-08-22 05:59:58	KingShark	ectospasm, yeah, had to reinstall another group but thats fine. all good now
2021-08-22 06:09:27	KingShark	is networkmanager the only program providing a traybar control / icon?
2021-08-22 06:10:30	ectospasm	That's the only one I know of.  Maybe wicd if that's still a thing?
2021-08-22 06:10:45	sheep	maybe connman or wpa_gui
2021-08-22 06:11:24	KingShark	what are my options to automate a iwctl command? is it much work to write my own systemd service for that? lol
2021-08-22 06:12:03	KingShark	writing it in my .xinitrc would be the laziest solution
2021-08-22 06:12:15	sheep	what commands?
2021-08-22 06:12:50	KingShark	just iwctl station <device> scan && iwctl --passphrase <passphrase> station <device> connect SSID
2021-08-22 06:13:44	sheep	can iwd be confiued to automatically scan and connect?
2021-08-22 06:16:28	KingShark	sheep, i see in the arch wiki that AutoConnect can be set to false so i guess it should be possible to autoconnect
2021-08-22 06:41:13	jaawerth	blinux: rofi's drun *can* limit what it shows you by category so it wouldn't take too much to first run rofi to pick a category (you'd just have to get the list) and, upon selection, show something like `rofi -modi drun -show drun -drun-categories <selected>`
2021-08-22 06:41:52	jaawerth	I don't know if there's a fancier way to query the info, but you an grab info from the desktop files like this to get the categories http://ix.io/3wDt/bash
2021-08-22 09:02:38	daspork	So I have an updated AUR package marked as out of date and not updated since 2015. I would like to update it. I'm not very clear on how to do that...
2021-08-22 09:04:35	mattf	daspork: pull the new PKGBUILD i guess?
2021-08-22 09:06:30	daspork	Sorry I was not clear. I have fixed a broken PKGBUILD. I would like to contribute the now working build back.
2021-08-22 09:07:06	sheep	isn't there a process to adopt an old or abandoned AUR package?
2021-08-22 09:07:28	daspork	its old but it does not seem to be "orphaned" 
2021-08-22 09:07:38	thurstylark	submit an orphan request
2021-08-22 09:08:12	thurstylark	if the maintainer doesn't seem interested in maintaining it any more, then it can be orphaned by a TU
2021-08-22 09:08:26	thurstylark	then you can pick it up, and push your commit to the aur
2021-08-22 09:09:03	thurstylark	actually, start by requesting the maintainer orphan the package
2021-08-22 09:09:16	thurstylark	and then submit the request if they don't respond
2021-08-22 09:09:41	thurstylark	both ways they get contacted, but doing it directly is nicer :P
2021-08-22 09:10:10	gtlsgamr	Hello, here to ask everyone one thing. Has any one been facing an issue with vulkan games after the most recent update>
2021-08-22 09:12:39	thurstylark	what problems are you having?
2021-08-22 09:12:46	thurstylark	might as well start ther
2021-08-22 09:12:48	thurstylark	*there
2021-08-22 09:14:21	gtlsgamr	I play red dead online, on steam, on arch linux using proton. Until last night it was working fine, I used "prime-run %command%" as a launch option to start the game. Last night I updated and went to sleep, and since morning it fails to load up. It gives an error "Failed to initialize graphics device. Reboot or reinstall graphics driver"
2021-08-22 09:14:50	gtlsgamr	thurstylark: ERR_GFX_INIT is the name of the error and from the googling I did, it seems like vulkan can be the culprit.
2021-08-22 09:16:10	gtlsgamr	If I run it without prime-run, it loads using the integrated AMD GPU and starts up just fine
2021-08-22 09:16:53	thurstylark	I get weird steam-y errors when steam updates itself, and I lag behind on arch updates. You have any packages that need updated?
2021-08-22 09:17:24	gtlsgamr	e2fsprogs, nothing else.
2021-08-22 09:18:01	daspork	will do thanks
2021-08-22 09:20:02	daspork	thurstylark last question. if no email on file im guessing package comment would be the way to contact?
2021-08-22 09:20:41	daspork	all the issues i fixed are mentioned in the comments and never addressed so im guessing he/she isnt interested but ill try. they have email hidden so
2021-08-22 09:20:48	thurstylark	Yeah, the maintainer is forced to be subscribed to package notifications, which will send an email to them
2021-08-22 09:21:20	daspork	cool thanks
2021-08-22 09:21:28	thurstylark	np gl :P
2021-08-22 09:23:57	gtlsgamr	thurstylark: is there a way to check which packages have been updated recently 
2021-08-22 09:24:33	thurstylark	checkupdates provided by pacman-contrib
2021-08-22 09:24:54	thurstylark	does the thing without messing with your sync databases
2021-08-22 09:25:03	thurstylark	keeps you outta the -Sy hole :P
2021-08-22 09:27:12	adikwok	hello
2021-08-22 09:27:26	thurstylark	!welcome
2021-08-22 09:27:27	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2021-08-22 09:27:52	adikwok	i re-installed linux but can not do ping or pacman
2021-08-22 09:28:08	thurstylark	why did you reinstall linux?
2021-08-22 09:28:15	thurstylark	were you troubleshooting something?
2021-08-22 09:28:46	adikwok	thurstylark: i re-install arch because last time my hdd had broken pacman
2021-08-22 09:29:09	thurstylark	ahh, thought you meant the linux package. So you did a full reinstall
2021-08-22 09:29:39	thurstylark	What network manager did you install?
2021-08-22 09:30:06	adikwok	thurstylark: i installed netctl wpa_supplicant iw dhcpcd
2021-08-22 09:30:34	thurstylark	ok, so which one are you using?
2021-08-22 09:30:44	thurstylark	because there's a lot of overlap there
2021-08-22 09:30:44	adikwok	thurstylark: netctl
2021-08-22 09:30:59	adikwok	thurstylark: netctl dialog
2021-08-22 09:31:24	adikwok	i started with wifi-menu 
2021-08-22 09:32:32	thurstylark	can you post the output of `ip a` to a paste service?
2021-08-22 09:32:34	thurstylark	!paste
2021-08-22 09:32:35	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-22 09:32:52	thurstylark	and maybe also the netctl profile you're using
2021-08-22 09:33:54	adikwok	thurstylark: wlp4s0 is up 
2021-08-22 09:34:17	thurstylark	does it have an IP?
2021-08-22 09:34:37	adikwok	but now i am rebooted fromt other arch and chrooted to that new re-installed 
2021-08-22 09:34:56	thurstylark	oh, right, you probably need a dhcp client
2021-08-22 09:35:24	adikwok	i installed dhcpcd
2021-08-22 09:36:47	thurstylark	rip
2021-08-22 09:48:42	adikwok	hello, please help to configure openbox
2021-08-22 09:49:37	adikwok	i logged in to gtk-greeter login page, but mouse is not working, only keyboard
2021-08-22 09:52:04	adikwok	exit
2021-08-22 10:04:50	hill	hi got an error installing latest yay from aur. upgrading from 10.3.1-1 to 10.3.1-2. "install: cannot stat 'yay': No such file or directory" checke the folder and there is no "yay" binary built.
2021-08-22 10:13:24	thurstylark	take it up with the maintainer via the package comments
2021-08-22 10:14:12	thurstylark	or whatever issue tracker they prefer
2021-08-22 10:36:25	colo	is there really no good way to disable ligatures for ALL fontconfig-managed fonts wholesale?
2021-08-22 10:38:35	earnestly	colo: Matching against all fonts, use something like https://0x0.st/-yCl.txt
2021-08-22 10:40:33	colo	earnestly, where in the hierarchy would I have to put that? my fontconfig XML looks like this now: http://ix.io/3wEe
2021-08-22 10:41:47	earnestly	Looks fine
2021-08-22 10:42:19	colo	yeah, but that works for that one font only :) should I just remove the <test> block?
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2021-08-22 10:55:09	earnestly	colo: Yes, but keep in mind that fontconfig's config load order is unusual (FC_DEBUG=1024 ...) so that your local changes may be overriden by global ones
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2021-08-22 11:04:52	daspork	hrmmm moved my ruTorrent instance over to docker/compose. it's transmitting at exactly 100mbit.....
2021-08-22 11:05:10	colo	earnestly, "wtf" is my only response to that...
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2021-08-22 11:06:49	⚡ 	thurstylark is of the opinion that the *majority* of fontconfig is wtf
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2021-08-22 11:16:42	teraflops	whathefont
2021-08-22 11:17:42	colo	earnestly, can you offer any advice on what to do in that case? is the only option to mess up the package-manager-owned configuration file in /etc/ or even /usr/share/?
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2021-08-22 11:19:24	gtlsgamr	Hello people, so I managed to fix my Red Dead online problem, and as I suspected it was something wrong with a few packages related to mesa. They were updated on 21st August and I rolled back to 20th August packages and voila! The games worked perfectly. Here are the packages that caused this... http://0x0.st/-tra.txt
2021-08-22 11:19:47	gtlsgamr	I still don't know which one of these caused it because I would like to file a bug report. Any suggestions on that?
2021-08-22 11:19:55	gtlsgamr	On how to find which package caused it
2021-08-22 11:20:10	thurstylark	the bug is that you weren't updated
2021-08-22 11:20:15	thurstylark	there is no report to make
2021-08-22 11:20:59	gtlsgamr	No no, I don't think you understand. I did update on 21st and that's when the game stopped working. Once I rolled back that update, it works fine.
2021-08-22 11:21:08	earnestly	colo: In theory you could include a 99-user.fonts as a symlink of 50-fonts.conf to re-read the user section so to order things more normally but otherwise there is no solution for this
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2021-08-22 11:21:39	gtlsgamr	thurstylark: does that make sense?
2021-08-22 11:21:54	colo	earnestly, thanks. blows my mind.
2021-08-22 11:22:29	thurstylark	yes, I just thought you were saying that you were holding packages back since the 20th
2021-08-22 11:22:50	colo	https://coloss.us.to/monospace_lig_fail.png - that rendering cannot be the desired result of whatever is at work there, now can it?
2021-08-22 11:22:58	thurstylark	it's probably mesa or lib32-vulkan-radeon
2021-08-22 11:23:05	thurstylark	probably not pam
2021-08-22 11:23:09	gtlsgamr	That's what I thought as well..
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2021-08-22 11:25:44	gtlsgamr	Alright I will file a report then..
2021-08-22 11:26:03	gtlsgamr	Never did this before so is there any logs that I should provide?
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2021-08-22 11:57:53	CyberShadow	alad: Hi, could you help me confirm my understanding with an aurutils issue? python-fontpens -> python-fontparts -> python-booleanoperations form a dependency cycle, but only via checkdepends. I have BUILDENV=(... !check ...) in the makepkg.conf passed as --makepkg-conf in aur sync's command line. Yet sync fails due to the cycle. Is this a problem with aurutils?
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2021-08-22 12:04:36	earnestly	CyberShadow: aurutils appears to unconditionally include checkdepends.  It could probably be fixed by passing a flag to jq in aur-depends tabulate() where it excludes .CheckDepends if check_buildenv check is 'n'
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2021-08-22 12:05:33	CyberShadow	Thanks for looking at it, earnestly. I'll file an issue.
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2021-08-22 12:15:32	ℹ 	tuxifreund es conocido ahora como tuxifreund`
2021-08-22 12:15:42	ℹ 	tuxifreund` es conocido ahora como tuxifreund
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2021-08-22 12:18:39	edgy	Hi, I just updated Arch Linux and got libreoffice 7.2, I noticed drop menus are no longer working in wayland, is it only me?
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2021-08-22 12:24:42	Namarrgon	edgy: works here
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2021-08-22 12:30:17	edgy	Namarrgon: strange! Thanks
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2021-08-22 12:31:04	edgy	Namarrgon: sorry may be what I mean is not called drop-down menu.
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2021-08-22 12:33:01	edgy	Namarrgon: e.g if you go to Templates then you have "All categories". If you click this, do you get a list?
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2021-08-22 12:35:47	edgy	even the font menu, I cannot choose any font!
2021-08-22 12:35:57	Namarrgon	"template"?
2021-08-22 12:36:32	Namarrgon	the font-selection drop-down works fine here
2021-08-22 12:37:13	edgy	Namarrgon: may be because I am using "testing" repo, let me downgrade ...
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2021-08-22 12:37:19	Namarrgon	i'm on testing, too
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2021-08-22 12:37:50	Namarrgon	are you using a non-default theme?
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2021-08-22 12:38:36	edgy	Namarrgon: no execuses then! no, I am using default theme, tried both the standard toolbars and the tabbed one. removed all .cache and .config and .local files
2021-08-22 12:39:45	edgy	Namarrgon: now did remove the testing and downgraded every thing to default using -Syyuu but still same issue, would reboot the laptop and retry ...
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2021-08-22 12:48:36	edgy	Namarrgon: still same issue, can you think of any thing that could cause such a thing?
2021-08-22 12:48:44	edgy	how to debug such issue?
2021-08-22 12:48:55	Namarrgon	which compositor are you using? do the menus work in X?
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2021-08-22 12:49:27	edgy	Namarrgon: if I launched it using xcb it works in wayland
2021-08-22 12:49:47	edgy	Namarrgon: I am using KDE
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2021-08-22 12:57:47	edgy	Namarrgon: I now found this https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143206, some one claimed it's an Arch Linux issue
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2021-08-22 13:10:29	Namarrgon	edgy: are you using breeze?
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2021-08-22 13:25:14	edgy	Namarrgon: yes
2021-08-22 13:27:13	edgy	Namarrgon: when I launched lowriter from the terminal, I am getting "qt.qpa.wayland: Wayland does not support QWindow::requestActivate()"
2021-08-22 13:28:06	Namarrgon	and if you let it use the gtk3 backend?
2021-08-22 13:33:21	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-22 13:47:19	nij-	Hello! I want to write a program that helps annotate my files. I want it to be robust and last long, but the crux is to be able to identify a file on a single machine even if it's content and path are both changed.
2021-08-22 13:48:37	zeraphel	nij- take the org-mode path of leaving an excessive amount of instructions in the comments
2021-08-22 13:49:07	nij-	My plan is to create a database that records as much metadata of a file as possible. For certain kinds of files (eg images) there are extra ways to get metadata (eg exiftool). But I'm not familiar with other types of files.. and also am hoping for scrape all metadata that all unix files have. Any recommendation or advice?
2021-08-22 13:49:49	nij-	---------------------------- zeraphel comments where? (I'm familiar with org-mode. Want to hear more.)
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2021-08-22 13:51:24	mpan	nij-: I perceive you problem as ill-defined, which may be why you can’t easily find the solution. If a file changes, it’s no longer the same file.
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2021-08-22 13:52:56	edgy	Namarrgon: There is no gtk3 backend here: qt.qpa.plugin: Could not find the Qt platform plugin "gtk3" in ""
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2021-08-22 13:55:03	edgy	nij-: so you are reimplementing baloo
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2021-08-22 13:56:11	zeraphel	nij- thought you were referring to textual documents, nevermind.
2021-08-22 13:56:27	edgy	zeraphel: seems he left ;)
2021-08-22 13:57:03	zeraphel	ouch, what i get for smoking compulsively. oh well
2021-08-22 13:57:36	mpan	nij-: I perceive you problem as ill-defined, which may be why you can’t easily find the solution. If a file changes, it’s no longer the same file.
2021-08-22 13:57:45	mpan	Wait, nij- is still not here.
2021-08-22 13:57:57	mpan	zeraphel: nij- has disconnected over 5 minutes ago.
2021-08-22 13:58:47	teraflops	https://gist.github.com/prietus/bb36a0d4b931b3f0975fd56f66791f76/raw/8c0f53517c1724c3295f56f41447c82e78a8c806/mPuh.png
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2021-08-22 13:59:32	susi	teraflops: what's that crack in the white vertical bar
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2021-08-22 13:59:40	Namarrgon	edgy: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/LibreOffice#Theme
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2021-08-22 13:59:41	phrik	Title: LibreOffice - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-22 14:00:59	teraflops	susi: the arrow?
2021-08-22 14:01:48	edgy	Namarrgon: ah! SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gtk3 lowriter works perfect
2021-08-22 14:02:24	edgy	Namarrgon: kf5 has the issue
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2021-08-22 14:04:15	edgy	Namarrgon: the question is why you don't face the issue?
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2021-08-22 14:04:37	Namarrgon	because i don't use the kf5 backend
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2021-08-22 14:05:06	Namarrgon	i never have enough of the kde bits installed to make it work
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2021-08-22 14:09:12	edgy	Namarrgon: so you are not using KDE?
2021-08-22 14:09:24	Namarrgon	no, i don't use kde
2021-08-22 14:09:40	edgy	Namarrgon: aha! this makes sense now. I tried gtk3_kde5 and it also works
2021-08-22 14:10:06	edgy	Namarrgon: thought I don't even know what that means
2021-08-22 14:11:12	MacGyver	Is there a program that does the opposite of "less", in that it takes the output of a constantly appending program, and I can tell it to only show the last output up to height of terminal and *not* have a scrollback? Context: I want to make iostat behave like top; more context: terminal scrollback for a few terminals is unreasonably large but I don't want to start those terminals with a
2021-08-22 14:11:14	MacGyver	different config file turning their scrollback down *entirely*.
2021-08-22 14:12:14	MacGyver	Telling me which terms to google for is also fine, I'm finding that I don't know enough about terminal mechanics to know the names of the different output modes.
2021-08-22 14:14:42	MacGyver	Like, the mode the terminal goes into when you run a command using `watch`, the problem is that `watch` restarts the command every n seconds; I want it to merely "re-sample the output", so to speak.
2021-08-22 14:15:01	edgy	MacGyver: you mean like tail -f?
2021-08-22 14:15:10	MacGyver	No.
2021-08-22 14:15:37	MacGyver	tail operates in the "normal" terminal mode.
2021-08-22 14:16:07	MacGyver	Well, uh, yeah, so *like* tail -f; but, as soon as it scrolls off the top of the terminal it needs to be gone.
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2021-08-22 14:17:15	edgy	MacGyver: not sure I understand you question, but you can control the size of the history
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2021-08-22 14:20:01	MacGyver	I don't want to start these terminals with a different configuration file turning scrollback off entirely.
2021-08-22 14:20:30	MacGyver	So unless there's an stty-command that does that, that's not what I need.
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2021-08-22 14:22:47	zbe	MacGyver, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13739873/how-to-make-iostat-behave-like-top
2021-08-22 14:22:48	phrik	Title: perl - how to make iostat behave like top - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
2021-08-22 14:23:26	Hello71	probably tput something-or-other
2021-08-22 14:23:39	MacGyver	zbe: Thanks -- though my question isn't limited to iostat so the specific solution won't work for me.
2021-08-22 14:23:59	Hello71	i don't think it's in stty
2021-08-22 14:23:59	MacGyver	I wish I understood the perl one :P
2021-08-22 14:25:20	zbe	With a bit of googling and trying you can probably make it work for anything. Or you can take the idea and write it in something else :p
2021-08-22 14:25:32	somlis	MacGyver: So it should more behave like 'watch'?
2021-08-22 14:25:43	MacGyver	somlis: Yes.
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2021-08-22 14:33:36	rcf	MacGyver: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/88165 may be of interest. 
2021-08-22 14:33:37	phrik	Title: shell - Only output most recent 10 (or n) lines of a lengthy command output - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
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2021-08-22 14:36:48	rcf	MacGyver: your terminal will need to support this of course but it would seem ideal. 
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2021-08-22 14:37:41	nobodies	hey guys, just wondering if something is possible before i do it and find I can't boot. can i encrypt a partition with luks then add my /boot /root /home to that with lvm and unlock and boot using grub?
2021-08-22 14:37:56	nobodies	i know grub can unlock luks, but wasn't sure if it could then read the /boot from an lvm?
2021-08-22 14:38:07	nobodies	or does /boot need to be a partition on it's own?
2021-08-22 14:38:10	MacGyver	rcf: Still ends up in the scrollback it seems.
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2021-08-22 14:38:35	MacGyver	rcf: Good suggestion though.
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2021-08-22 14:38:55	MacGyver	rcf: Interesting to see the terminal behave that way, but it only influences what's displayed, not what's "kept", seemingly.
2021-08-22 14:39:19	Namarrgon	nobodies: is /boot encrypted or not?
2021-08-22 14:40:11	nobodies	Namarrgon: it would be because it would be LUKS -> LVM -> /boot
2021-08-22 14:40:33	rcf	MacGyver: if all else fails, treat it as a problem of replacing every nth newline with `tput clear` 
2021-08-22 14:41:10	MacGyver	I *think* that's what the perl solution zbe linked does.
2021-08-22 14:41:18	MacGyver	Trying to get that to work now.
2021-08-22 14:42:01	Namarrgon	nobodies: yes, that works. if you use LUKSv1 headers then grub can load the kernel from an encrypted /boot.
2021-08-22 14:42:33	Namarrgon	nobodies: there is some limited LUKSv2 support but it's probably not worth the hassle if you don't need any of the v2 features
2021-08-22 14:43:04	nobodies	@namaand it won't matter its also in an lvm?
2021-08-22 14:43:14	daspork	Yeah I can't find it. It's not a coincidence that docker is capping at exactly 100mbit.... In the host I can get ~260mbit. No idea what else to check...
2021-08-22 14:43:15	nobodies	oops Namarrgon
2021-08-22 14:43:18	Namarrgon	nobodies: grub supports lvm just fine
2021-08-22 14:43:38	nobodies	kk thank you! but you'd advise v1 luks?
2021-08-22 14:43:39	nl6720	except for thing provisioned logical volumes
2021-08-22 14:43:43	nl6720	*thin
2021-08-22 14:43:59	Namarrgon	nobodies: if in doubt then stick with v1
2021-08-22 14:44:21	nobodies	thanks :)
2021-08-22 14:57:27	MacGyver	zbe, rcf: Yeah, this'll do. The perl oneliner given in the second answer is easy enough.
2021-08-22 14:57:35	alad	BrainDamage: ever tried https://gitlab.com/codelibre/schroot
2021-08-22 14:57:36	phrik	Title: codelibre / schroot · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2021-08-22 14:57:43	alad	seems to have overlayfs and alot of other stuff
2021-08-22 14:57:48	MacGyver	Still wish I knew the name of the output mode that watch uses so I could more effectively google.
2021-08-22 14:58:17	BrainDamage	alad: no, but that lookss fantastic
2021-08-22 14:58:58	BrainDamage	... i'll add to the todo list
2021-08-22 14:59:44	alad	!👍
2021-08-22 14:59:45	phrik	👍
2021-08-22 15:08:12	somlis	MacGyver: Earnestly had this fast-reading script and it only showed one line in the middle of the terminal. It uses 'tput'.
2021-08-22 15:10:33	earnestly	Although these days I'd use the standard ECMA-48 escape sequences directly and if it was to be shell, I'd use bash and use the sleep loadable as builtin to avoid forking every 0.2 seconds
2021-08-22 15:10:50	earnestly	But any program that can print escape sequences can do it quite easily
2021-08-22 15:12:46	MacGyver	If it's the same sequences that rcf suggested, that doesn't keep it out of the scrollback buffer though.
2021-08-22 15:12:57	MacGyver	At least not on alacritty.
2021-08-22 15:14:31	earnestly	MacGyver: http://xn--rpa.cc/irl/term.html
2021-08-22 15:14:33	phrik	Title: on terminal control (at xn--rpa.cc)
2021-08-22 15:15:03	Mysterytrain	trying to use yay to install a package and i get this gpg: keyserver receive failed: Server indicated a failure. is this my end or their end
2021-08-22 15:15:08	earnestly	(It's worth reading, you'll want /alternate buffer)
2021-08-22 15:15:22	CounterPillow	>:: Import PGP key A85E811EB4CA2E08, "Caleb Maclennan <alerque@archlinux.org>"?
2021-08-22 15:15:22	CounterPillow	is this his new key? https://archlinux.org/master-keys/ lists a different one.
2021-08-22 15:15:24	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Master Signing Keys (at archlinux.org)
2021-08-22 15:15:54	jelle	CounterPillow: it's a new key, but not a master key, just a packager key
2021-08-22 15:16:11	MacGyver	earnestly: Thanks, that's the term I needed :)
2021-08-22 15:16:12	CounterPillow	Okay, so I didn't just get nefariously tricked into adding a key. Thanks
2021-08-22 15:16:21	MacGyver	I'll read the entire thing at some point.
2021-08-22 15:16:32	rcf	earnestly++
2021-08-22 15:16:59	jelle	CounterPillow: not yet!
2021-08-22 15:18:08	earnestly	MacGyver: It seems my little tool uses smcup/rmcup properly, so I got that bit right at least
2021-08-22 15:51:51	wyclif	exit
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2021-08-22 17:11:05	PowaBanga	Yo
2021-08-22 17:11:41	PowaBanga	archlinux.org is down ?
2021-08-22 17:11:52	Hello_World	Up ghere
2021-08-22 17:11:54	Hello_World	*here
2021-08-22 17:12:01	owbk	It's up for me
2021-08-22 17:12:21	PowaBanga	it's down for me... 😕
2021-08-22 17:12:27	jelle	[    9.425233] xfs filesystem being remounted at /run/systemd/unit-root/var/lib/systemd/timesync supports timestamps until 2038 (0x7fffffff)
2021-08-22 17:12:29	jelle	lolwat
2021-08-22 17:13:47	PowaBanga	does somebody can give the archlinux.org ip adress plz ?
2021-08-22 17:14:10	owbk	95.217.163.246
2021-08-22 17:14:29	nl6720	jelle: that's normal. mkfs.xfs does not enable bigtime by default yet
2021-08-22 17:14:44	jelle	nl6720: ah, so userfriendly ;-)
2021-08-22 17:15:47	Hello_World	Stupid question, but what is the "proper" way to do parameter expansion on the string returned by a command, without saving it first? Something like "echo ${"$(fd . -a -tf --max-results 1)"}" works fine in my terminal, but once I try running it from a .sh script it outputs "${"$(fd . -a -tf --max-results 1)"%/*}: bad substitution"
2021-08-22 17:15:57	Hello_World	(same error if one were to remove the %/*
2021-08-22 17:17:30	Namarrgon	which shell are you running it in? which shebang is at the top of the script?
2021-08-22 17:17:46	Namarrgon	and you should probably save the intermediate result for readability's sake
2021-08-22 17:19:00	Hello_World	Oh, I thought it defaults to the terminal if the shebang is missing… Thank you very much that fixed it ^^
2021-08-22 17:20:29	Hello_World	Though I guess the POSIX way is to save it?
2021-08-22 17:20:55	nl6720	jelle: it looks like xfs_repair should be able to enable bigtime: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/fs/xfs/xfsprogs-dev.git/commit/?id=63bbaacf2319726666fd20fe26204285d400a990
2021-08-22 17:20:57	phrik	Title: xfs/xfsprogs-dev.git - Utilities for managing the XFS filesystem (at git.kernel.org)
2021-08-22 17:21:04	jelle	nl6720: ooo
2021-08-22 17:21:08	jelle	nl6720: online hmm?
2021-08-22 17:21:19	Namarrgon	Hello_World: do you want maintainable code or do you want a poser one-liner?
2021-08-22 17:21:21	nl6720	I don't think xfs_repair works online
2021-08-22 17:21:27	jelle	nl6720: ah thanks
2021-08-22 17:21:38	Namarrgon	Hello_World: posix has nothing to do with this
2021-08-22 17:23:07	Hello_World	Namarrgon: It's just for a small shell script, nothing I would need to maintain, just want to see if I can reduce LOC for fun
2021-08-22 17:24:19	Hello_World	Namarrgon: And I see, thanks. I thought it was working with zsh because of non POSIX stuff they allow
2021-08-22 17:25:51	Namarrgon	Hello_World: if the shebang is missing it will fall back to 'sh'
2021-08-22 17:26:36	Hello_World	Namarrgon: Ah yes, which is why it made me wonder how it would have to be written for sh to work – I guess there's no way around saving?
2021-08-22 17:27:25	Hello71	what does "saving it" mean anyways
2021-08-22 17:27:25	Namarrgon	Hello_World: no, this has nothing to do with my stylistic criticism
2021-08-22 17:40:28	Hello_World	I see, thank you very much
2021-08-22 17:41:54	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-22 17:43:31	nl6720	jelle: bigtime enabling works with both xfs_repair and xfs_admin, but don't count on there being less warnings in the journal. you'll instead get:
2021-08-22 17:43:33	nl6720	 XFS (dm-4): EXPERIMENTAL big timestamp feature in use. Use at your own risk!
2021-08-22 17:43:53	jelle	nl6720: O_O
2021-08-22 17:43:58	jelle	xfs is a mistake
2021-08-22 17:44:30	nl6720	imho it's quite nice
2021-08-22 17:44:40	nl6720	it has reflinks
2021-08-22 17:45:08	kuhilas	what should I do with this my wlan cuts off maybe once an hour or something for the past couple days. I am using hotspot from my phone and I had to downgrade iwd to 1.15 couple weeks ago because there wase even more problems with 1.16. I found a thread about someone else having the same problem. Now I can find iwd-git that has new version 1.17 from 11h ago but it requires ell version that is
2021-08-22 17:45:08	kuhilas	also only 11h old, but I can't find an AUR for that
2021-08-22 17:45:08	kuhilas	ell
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2021-08-22 17:45:49	teraflops	what about not using iwd at all?
2021-08-22 17:45:53	kuhilas	or should I just move to something else from this iwd 
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2021-08-22 17:46:17	kuhilas	yeh cool. What do you guys use? 
2021-08-22 17:46:24	kevku	iwd doesnt work well with closed drivers like broadcom
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2021-08-22 17:48:36	teraflops	kevku: imo that's one of the firsts thing to check, a different wireless network management tool to see whether iwd is the culprit.
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2021-08-22 17:53:00	shem	on this thinkpad iwd works really well, connects faster than anything i've seen so far
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2021-08-22 17:55:07	teraflops	it's a matter of miliseconds so I don't think the daemon you use to connect to a wireless hotspot makes any difference regarding *speed*
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2021-08-22 17:59:53	kuhilas	hmm ok. Again got disconnected. Now it happens more often. I just installed netctl. So I guess what I do next is when I go offline again, I close/kill the iwd process and try run the netctl
2021-08-22 18:01:20	teraflops	kuhilas: you could read logs as well instead of rolling between versions and software
2021-08-22 18:01:29	ℹ 	nis__ es conocido ahora como Donatzsky
2021-08-22 18:01:37	teraflops	maybe there's something interesting in journal
2021-08-22 18:01:50	teraflops	or related to your wireless nic
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2021-08-22 18:04:34	ℹ 	bhava1 es conocido ahora como bhava
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2021-08-22 18:07:11	kuhilas	http://sprunge.us/dCKrLH  last rows are cut but same content as the row before them
2021-08-22 18:07:25	kuhilas	is the journalctl -xe after the connection is lost
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2021-08-22 18:14:41	kuhilas	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=260319 there is a workaround to add ControlPortOverNL80211=False to /etc/iwd/main.conf I'll try that. I wonder what that means, does it decrease performance or something
2021-08-22 18:14:43	phrik	Title: [Resolved] Frequent wifi disconnects with reason code 2 / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-08-22 18:15:16	kuhilas	for a problem that might not be related to my problem 8)
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2021-08-22 18:24:46	thrice	kuhilas: have you tried ruling netctl out of hte picture?  what value is it adding over iwd directly?
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2021-08-22 18:29:44	kuhilas	I haven't had it installed until now. I haven't run it yet since iwd has been working now for the past some 30 mins now. Maybe it would solve the problem of having disconnections
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2021-08-22 18:30:20	thrice	usually you don't want more than 1 "solution" running
2021-08-22 18:30:32	thrice	competing solution, that is
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2021-08-22 18:54:15	lachesis	!paste
2021-08-22 18:54:15	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-22 18:54:28	lachesis	!ix
2021-08-22 18:54:29	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2021-08-22 18:55:33	lachesis	btrfs definitely runs much slower than ext4 or xfs for me. here are three fio runs for 3 identical partitions on the same pcie4 nvme device, new filesystems created with defaults, no encryption or lvm or anything.   http://ix.io/3wG4
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2021-08-22 19:10:24	teraflops	lachesis: not only for you according to the bunch of performance tests that are in the internet
2021-08-22 19:10:47	lachesis	teraflops, woo good to hear. i posted here asking for advice on filesystems yesterday and got some pushback about btrfs being slow
2021-08-22 19:10:52	lachesis	so i decided to collect some better data :)
2021-08-22 19:11:51	teraflops	https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-58-filesystems&num=1
2021-08-22 19:11:52	phrik	Title: XFS / EXT4 / Btrfs / F2FS / NILFS2 Performance On Linux 5.8 - Phoronix (at www.phoronix.com)
2021-08-22 19:12:23	teraflops	hmm that oane is a bit old
2021-08-22 19:12:27	Mysterytrain	btrfs is slow
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2021-08-22 19:12:43	Mysterytrain	I use it for my storage arrays, but not for system. works fine that way
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2021-08-22 19:13:15	Foxboron	Doesn't matter when you add encryption
2021-08-22 19:13:48	Foxboron	the differences between btrfs/ext4/zstd and all that gets completely decimated when you add LUKS to the mix. Use the filesystem with the features you need
2021-08-22 19:13:53	teraflops	I coulndt say it's slow, that others are just faster
2021-08-22 19:14:30	teraflops	the^
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2021-08-22 19:52:41	pounce	how is it that I can `ping hostname` and it will resolve to `hostname.localdomain` on my LAN, but I can't `ssh hostname`
2021-08-22 19:54:17	grazzolini	pounce: it depends on several things. a) the domain and search parameters on resolv.conf b) the settings on nssswitch.conf c) ssh client settings themselves.
2021-08-22 19:54:43	pounce	but if it's pinging it should be resolving, right?
2021-08-22 19:56:31	grazzolini	pounce: no, ssh has different settings for that. man ssh_config and check for CanonicalNames
2021-08-22 19:56:36	pounce	yes, so in my resolv.conf i have `search localdomain\nnameserver 192.168.1.1` from networkmanager which is how i think it's being resolved
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2021-08-22 19:57:47	pounce	wait no i fat-fingered the domain
2021-08-22 19:58:04	ℹ 	Dotz0cat_ es conocido ahora como Dotz0cat
2021-08-22 19:58:10	pounce	it works \o/
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2021-08-22 20:11:57	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-22 20:17:28	lachesis	Foxboron, i disagree... on my system aes-xfs-plain64 benchmarks above 5000MiB/s while I'm seeing well under 2000MiB/s with a plain btrfs system on an unencrypted nvme drive
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2021-08-22 20:18:34	Foxboron	lachesis: "benchmarks"?
2021-08-22 20:18:58	lachesis	$ cryptsetup benchmark --cipher aes-xts
2021-08-22 20:18:58	lachesis	# Algorithm |       Key |      Encryption |      Decryption
2021-08-22 20:18:58	lachesis	    aes-xts        256b      5329.5 MiB/s      5360.3 MiB/s
2021-08-22 20:19:16	Foxboron	You think those numbers represent realistic workloads?
2021-08-22 20:19:27	Foxboron	comparable to whatever benchmark you run btrfs with?
2021-08-22 20:19:46	lachesis	i think that suggests that encryption is not my bottleneck
2021-08-22 20:19:56	Foxboron	you are wrong. Go run a proper benchmark
2021-08-22 20:20:09	lachesis	sure, give me a few min
2021-08-22 20:20:10	Tom^	Foxboron: lol just run a timed "ls /some/dir" that has LOTS of small files and compare btrfs with any fs and you will see how slow btrfs is :P
2021-08-22 20:20:12	◣	aaro (~aaro@user/aaro) ha salido (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2021-08-22 20:21:22	Foxboron	Tom^: and the difference is how much?
2021-08-22 20:21:30	Tom^	btrfs is to be used for its features, not speed.
2021-08-22 20:21:44	Foxboron	Re my argument
2021-08-22 20:22:18	Tom^	Foxboron: i just read lachesis and assumed arguments, and i wanted in on the fun bashing.
2021-08-22 20:22:21	Tom^	my excuses
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2021-08-22 20:23:04	Foxboron	Tom^: :)
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2021-08-22 20:24:24	lachesis	Foxboron, indeed it is much slower to run btrfs on luks encryption on my nvme than ext4
2021-08-22 20:24:50	◣	tasse (~tasse@user/tasse) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2021-08-22 20:24:50	ℹ 	tassee es conocido ahora como tasse
2021-08-22 20:24:50	lachesis	http://ix.io/3wGs
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2021-08-22 20:26:44	lachesis	there's plenty of room to object to my fio command not matching a realistic workload, to which i'd say, sure, provide me a different one to run and i'll be happy to. sequential throughput and IOPs are ~1/3rd ext4
2021-08-22 20:27:00	alad	barf tree file system
2021-08-22 20:27:13	lachesis	ext4_enc: (groupid=0, jobs=1): err= 0: pid=80969: Sun Aug 22 14:22:52 2021
2021-08-22 20:27:13	lachesis	  read: IOPS=102k, BW=3197MiB/s (3352MB/s)(384MiB/120msec)
2021-08-22 20:27:13	lachesis	  write: IOPS=34.2k, BW=1070MiB/s (1122MB/s)(128MiB/120msec); 0 zone resets
2021-08-22 20:27:18	lachesis	btrfs_enc: (groupid=0, jobs=1): err= 0: pid=81215: Sun Aug 22 14:23:01 2021
2021-08-22 20:27:18	lachesis	  read: IOPS=34.4k, BW=1075MiB/s (1127MB/s)(384MiB/357msec)
2021-08-22 20:27:18	lachesis	  write: IOPS=11.5k, BW=360MiB/s (377MB/s)(128MiB/357msec); 0 zone resets
2021-08-22 20:27:29	alad	lachesis: use a paste service ...
2021-08-22 20:27:38	lachesis	alad, i did, pasted above at ix.io
2021-08-22 20:27:39	alad	where's emiya when you need 'em
2021-08-22 20:27:41	lachesis	i just copied the money shots in here
2021-08-22 20:27:51	lachesis	but sorry, i'll limit myself to 3 consecutive lines from now on
2021-08-22 20:27:53	Foxboron	lachesis: sudo nvme id-ns -H /dev/nvme0n1p4
2021-08-22 20:28:05	alad	lachesis: people are not interested in the results, they're only interested in being argumentative so you're wasting your time
2021-08-22 20:28:11	Foxboron	lachesis: last 3-4 lines
2021-08-22 20:28:48	Foxboron	alad: no, i'm interested in the results. I was benchmarking btrfs with encryption just 3 days ago :p
2021-08-22 20:29:05	lachesis	alad, its sunday and i'm bored waiting for my backup to finish running so i can swap to ext4, plus i want people to talk me out of this if i am wrong
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2021-08-22 20:29:52	lachesis	mm Foxboron i'm not sure entirely what you're looking for in that output but:  http://ix.io/3wGu
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2021-08-22 20:29:57	lachesis	it is a Samsung SSD 980 PRO 2TB
2021-08-22 20:30:02	lachesis	on my new ryzen 5950x system
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2021-08-22 20:31:20	Foxboron	I was curious about the available sector size since btrfs writing is weird when running fio benchmarks. But I only have 512 and not 4k on my laptop :c
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2021-08-22 20:31:49	Foxboron	lachesis: https://pub.linderud.dev/wiki/benchmark_btrfs.html
2021-08-22 20:31:50	phrik	Title: benchmark_btrfs - Some Wiki (at pub.linderud.dev)
2021-08-22 20:31:54	lachesis	it is very possible that the bottleneck was different back on my 8700k with pci-e 3.0.
2021-08-22 20:32:19	Betal	what is the easiest way to chroot and execute an xorg app as non-root? do a .sh works for this? like chroot + export DISPLAY + su to custom user + call app?
2021-08-22 20:32:45	lachesis	Foxboron, that's an interesting argument for XFS
2021-08-22 20:33:01	NetSysFire	Betal: chroot for security?
2021-08-22 20:33:15	Betal	NetSysFire: to be able to call a debian/ubuntu app
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2021-08-22 20:33:41	Betal	NetSysFire: using debootstrap for this
2021-08-22 20:34:05	Ivyy	Why is vs-code not getting updated? https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/code/
2021-08-22 20:34:08	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - code 1.58.0-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2021-08-22 20:34:15	Betal	NetSysFire: for arch/security, probably firejail is the way to go
2021-08-22 20:34:30	lachesis	Foxboron, i wouldn't be terribly surprised if there was some kind of write amplification going on ... but that wouldn't explain the poor read results
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2021-08-22 20:35:00	NetSysFire	Betal: i would have actually recommended a systemd unit here as it has RootDirectory=
2021-08-22 20:35:03	NetSysFire	or systemd-run rather
2021-08-22 20:35:05	lachesis	although i guess i'd need to test with an un-mixed workload to verify that
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2021-08-22 20:35:28	lachesis	oh interesting, TIL...  https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-run.html
2021-08-22 20:35:29	phrik	Title: systemd-run (at www.freedesktop.org)
2021-08-22 20:35:30	Foxboron	lachesis: fio is weird enough that I don't think you can use the same lines to properly benchmark ext4 and btrfs. Phoronix does this and btrfs performs poorly as well there
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2021-08-22 20:35:47	Foxboron	lachesis: but I have no suggestions since I only learned a little bit about fio tryig to benchmark stuff
2021-08-22 20:36:15	lachesis	Foxboron, fair enough. i noticed that pop!-OS on a ram disk was super fast when i was setting up this system and it got me chasing FS performance
2021-08-22 20:36:44	lachesis	not that i'm running pop, just the live CD that i used to DD this over 
2021-08-22 20:37:20	lachesis	but these fio commands are definitely a bit weird. i grabbed 'em from my history. i think this was back when i was trying to get geth to run on a 6-wide stripe of spinners to no avail
2021-08-22 20:37:24	Foxboron	lachesis: I was more interested figuring out where the bottleneck was, and my conclusion is still mostly that encryption in linux is weird
2021-08-22 20:37:25	Foxboron	https://blog.cloudflare.com/speeding-up-linux-disk-encryption/
2021-08-22 20:37:26	phrik	Title: Speeding up Linux disk encryption (at blog.cloudflare.com)
2021-08-22 20:37:27	lachesis	it only worked once i put an ZIL and L2ARC on an SSD
2021-08-22 20:37:40	lachesis	i am half way tempted to nix the encryption on this box for max performance
2021-08-22 20:37:42	lachesis	it's a desktop anyway
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2021-08-22 20:41:59	Betal	NetSysFire: for systemd-run I need to keep a systemd-nspawn running? (or run it as root)
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2021-08-22 21:00:13	NetSysFire	Betal: no, systemd-run is completely separate from nspawn
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2021-08-23 11:19:33	PowaBanga	quelqu'un sait comment résoudre ça ?
2021-08-23 11:21:06	Foxboron	English please
2021-08-23 11:22:26	PowaBanga	ho sorry does anybody know how to fix that ?
2021-08-23 11:22:56	Foxboron	You need to provide full output.
2021-08-23 11:22:57	Foxboron	!paste
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2021-08-23 11:23:25	PowaBanga	it's with repo-add
2021-08-23 11:23:49	Foxboron	then why are you messing with /var/lib/pacman/db.lck?
2021-08-23 11:27:08	PowaBanga	i do not know i tried
2021-08-23 11:31:17	PowaBanga	ha ok i found, it was an error from me
2021-08-23 11:46:18	SysGhost	Something I've noticed with ParallelDownloads in pacman.conf, is that If I use any value at 8, mirrors tend to kick me out (although temporarily). Once I set it back to 5, I don't get kicked/tempbanned any more. They error out with 404 on everything once the tempban happens. 
2021-08-23 11:46:43	jelle	SysGhost: sounds like they do rate limiting :)
2021-08-23 11:47:26	SysGhost	Heh... can't handle mu download speeds ;)
2021-08-23 11:48:09	chazy	why does chown not work for mountpoints? is it because the fs is ntfs?
2021-08-23 11:48:09	SysGhost	oh well.. I'll just keep it at 5. cba finding mirrors who accept paralleldownloads > 5
2021-08-23 11:48:34	jelle	chazy: yes
2021-08-23 11:48:57	chazy	jelle: so do i need to use uuid flags in fstab for ntfs then?
2021-08-23 11:49:02	SysGhost	(This is one reason to why I believe having multiple downloads on multiple mirrors would be helpful.)
2021-08-23 11:49:12	jelle	chazy: no idea
2021-08-23 11:49:59	SysGhost	chazy: linux have some limited tools to change pmerission on NTFS. But be vary. They're dangerous and can lock windows out completely.
2021-08-23 11:51:02	Donatzsky	chazy: If it's NTFS-3g, have a look at the documentation. There are ways to map linux users to Windows users
2021-08-23 11:51:19	SysGhost	but mounting with uid and gid flags should work as a temporary solution.
2021-08-23 12:03:32	jmcantrell	the arch package guidelines say to use `/etc/{pkg}/` for config files, but there are packages that use `/etc/{pkg}.conf` and `/etc/{pkg}.d/`. Can I use this pattern if i have a main config and individual profile configs?
2021-08-23 12:04:53	bionade24	Hi, why does my device have 9 thermal zones despite having 8 cores? Doesn't make sense to me.
2021-08-23 12:05:18	SysGhost	bionade24: one is the "package" sensor, as the others are each core.
2021-08-23 12:05:46	SysGhost	i.e. the heatspreader temperature.
2021-08-23 12:05:56	Namarrgon	jmcantrell: yes, you can do that.
2021-08-23 12:06:06	bionade24	SysGhost: Thx. Is Index 0 the package ?
2021-08-23 12:06:22	jmcantrell	yissss
2021-08-23 12:06:44	SysGhost	bionade24: that varies from manufacturer and model. Usually there's a sensor chip lookup table that reveals it.
2021-08-23 12:07:10	SysGhost	bionade24: check with lm sensors for instance. It should print out each sensors name.
2021-08-23 12:09:29	SysGhost	bionade24: example output from "/usr/bin/sensors": http://ix.io/3wJ6
2021-08-23 12:10:27	bionade24	SysGhost: Thx, I now already ran sensors-detect
2021-08-23 12:18:53	th0rne	How do I clipboard the contents of an image? Such technology exists, right?
2021-08-23 12:19:15	th0rne	I tried 'cat <img> | xclip', but that seems to just be the image path?
2021-08-23 12:19:57	th0rne	Oh no, sry, it doesn't do anything. The path was from an earlier xclip.
2021-08-23 12:21:17	th0rne	I don't know for sure, but I would imagine some applications like libreoffice writer probably support pasting image data?
2021-08-23 12:24:33	th0rne	Aha, got it. xclip -t image/png.
2021-08-23 12:24:34	th0rne	Thanks!
2021-08-23 12:32:54	wirez	what gui prog is easy to use way to burn new OS .xz image to sd card?
2021-08-23 12:33:04	wirez	using on pinephone fwiw
2021-08-23 12:33:47	Namarrgon	what does pinephone's docuementation recommend?
2021-08-23 12:51:51	SysGhost	iirc, one uncompress and write the image straight onto the sdcard. Example: xzcat imagefile.xz | dd of=/dev/yoursdcardnode bs=4k oflag=direct status=progress
2021-08-23 12:52:05	SysGhost	...assuming it's not a *.tar.xz
2021-08-23 13:00:08	SysGhost	For a gui, see gdiskdump (although you need to uncompress the image first)
2021-08-23 13:07:31	SysGhost	There's also "kindd". A qt based dd gui
2021-08-23 13:15:04	wirez	ty
2021-08-23 14:22:23	Kayvlim	Hi! Anyone using ZFS Boot Environments on Arch Linux? I'm building a usb-bootable Arch installation with a GRUB-compatible boot zpool and a ZFS Native Encrypted root pool with boot environments, and I'm stuck figuring out how to do the BEs.
2021-08-23 14:57:11	folaht	Hello there
2021-08-23 14:57:20	NetSysFire	!welcomerpg
2021-08-23 14:57:21	phrik	Greetings, observer of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get borked today?
2021-08-23 14:58:45	folaht	Is there a way to install linux without updating the linux initcpios or run a script that edits the mkinitcpio.conf before it does?
2021-08-23 14:58:58	NetSysFire	why? what are you trying to do exactly?
2021-08-23 14:58:59	folaht	Actually put the latter in first.
2021-08-23 15:00:36	folaht	I want a vagrant box script and I want to use btrfs, because I like brtfs. It's giving me an error when installing linux, 
2021-08-23 15:00:46	folaht	==> ERROR: file not found: `fsck.btrfs'
2021-08-23 15:01:22	folaht	Because it's updating linux initcpios when installing linux.
2021-08-23 15:01:43	jkc	So just rerun mkinitcpio?
2021-08-23 15:02:15	Namarrgon	either don't use the fsck hook or install the fsck helper
2021-08-23 15:02:35	bionade24	Hello, when I try to run systemd-run I always get this error message: "Failed to connect to bus: Protocol error"
2021-08-23 15:03:17	folaht	Yes, I know I don't want to use the fsck, but the error is already shown and I'm not sure if it's the reason why the script fails. I just want it out to be sure.
2021-08-23 15:03:54	bionade24	Askubuntu recommends installing dbus-user-session, but this dbus software part is already included in Archlinux' dbus-package, isn't it?
2021-08-23 15:03:54	NetSysFire	bionade24: are all necessary environment variables present?
2021-08-23 15:04:52	bionade24	NetSysFire: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR and DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADRESS are present
2021-08-23 15:08:20	bionade24	I could provide strace output, if someone is interested in that.
2021-08-23 15:10:59	Bayes	I periodically run Pacman -Syu to update the system. More often than not, there are 50+ package updates. Sometimes it's smaller things, but other times it includes a new kernel or modules / drivers, things that are a bit more critical.
2021-08-23 15:11:44	Bayes	Is there any way to get Pacman, on maybe another package manager, to digest some of these for me and give me a summary, or at least show colors or things like that?
2021-08-23 15:12:14	Shapeshifter	felf: fyi, no idea what's the problem. other reports say the sd card is broken. it pretty certainly isn't because if I connect the camera via usb I can download the pictures just fine. who knows...
2021-08-23 15:12:26	Namarrgon	Bayes: enable VerbosePkgLists in pacman.conf
2021-08-23 15:15:12	Bayes	Namarrgon that helps, but I was thinking something more... idk what I'm looking for really
2021-08-23 15:15:38	Bayes	it's just that I have to go thru a long list of packages to be updated and guess if any of those will break my configs
2021-08-23 15:15:53	Bayes	like I just lost bluetooth after updating
2021-08-23 15:16:21	Tom^	Bayes: yeah well thats the downside of a rolling distro where the manpower doesnt always have the time to go through the changelogs of each project and build a "news/changelog" list for the end users.
2021-08-23 15:17:26	Tom^	be thankful for the few testers in [testing] that hopefully catches most things and bugreports it before it enters [core]
2021-08-23 15:17:51	Bayes	xD
2021-08-23 15:18:03	Bayes	okay
2021-08-23 15:18:48	Bayes	I remember now but I used to slack on keeping the system up to date
2021-08-23 15:20:03	Bayes	!paste
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2021-08-23 15:20:06	folaht	Alright, I think I've found a solution, thank guys!
2021-08-23 15:20:45	Bayes	https://bpa.st/7L3A any idea where to start?
2021-08-23 15:20:46	phrik	Title: View paste 7L3A (at bpa.st)
2021-08-23 15:22:11	Namarrgon	start with the unit's logs
2021-08-23 16:09:57	nij-	Hello! I want to encrypt the whole disk of my server with LUKS. But does that mean it needs manual input of a password, and will not "self-recover" from a reboot?
2021-08-23 16:10:31	jkc	If that's how you set it up, yes.
2021-08-23 16:11:04	jkc	You can use a keyfile as an alternative, stored for instance on a USB stick.
2021-08-23 16:11:52	jkc	There are, I think, other ways to achieve unattended LUKS boot. I'm sure someone else will have more insight.
2021-08-23 16:13:49	nij-	But using a keyfile somehow dissolves the point? I don't want people to be able to come with my machine with an archlinux iso and read my file in the disk. 
2021-08-23 16:14:02	nij-	If the keyfile is there, then anyone can do that to my machine.
2021-08-23 16:15:12	avu	Well, you can't have it both ways. Either the machine boots without manual interaction, in which case it needs the key to be supplied automatically in a way some kinds of attackers could exploit or the key needs to be input on each boot
2021-08-23 16:16:54	dD__	Whenever I suspend my laptop for too long or hibernate, it shuts down.  I checked my system logs from my last boot and the last thing that I see is a message saying hybernate (although right before I see one saying PM: Image not found.  Where could the problem come from?
2021-08-23 16:17:38	nij-	I see avu, I will have to redefine my risk model then. Thank you avu jkc 
2021-08-23 16:20:30	jonathon	dD__: if you're using grub, do you have the correct swap device UUID set for RESUME= in the grub config?
2021-08-23 16:21:10	dD__	jonathon: hm... I used to have it, but let me check, maybe something changed. 
2021-08-23 16:24:07	dD__	jonathon: I've got nothing set on resume.  You're talking about /etc/default/grub, right? 
2021-08-23 16:28:44	dD__	jonathon: also, should i add my swap drive to the resume? 
2021-08-23 16:29:11	dD__	under mapper, if it's encrypted?
2021-08-23 16:38:19	ixil	I'm trying to run qemu without root, so I created a qemu user - however virt-viewer complains that permission is denied
2021-08-23 16:38:58	ixil	I can't work out how to find what is causing that though
2021-08-23 16:44:17	Namarrgon	ixil: is the user in the kvm group?
2021-08-23 16:44:35	Namarrgon	ixil: "ls -l /dev/lvm"
2021-08-23 16:45:07	Namarrgon	oh, wait, so qemu itself is fine and only virt-viewer complains?
2021-08-23 16:45:23	ixil	Namarrgon: I think qemu is fine, just virt-viewer
2021-08-23 16:45:32	Namarrgon	are you using a unix socket to connect via virt-viewer?
2021-08-23 16:45:42	ixil	I'm trying to run it through strace to see what it doesn't like
2021-08-23 16:46:35	ixil	I believe so (I'm trying to use spice), `URI: spice+unix:///tmp/.VO3Q80/spice.sock` 
2021-08-23 16:46:57	Namarrgon	does the virt-viewer owner have permissions to read/write to it?
2021-08-23 16:47:09	low-key	 How does one go about figuring out what the right settings for adjust_line_height and adjust_column_width are for a particular font and size in kitty? 
2021-08-23 16:47:12	Namarrgon	are you running virt-viewer as the same user as qemu?
2021-08-23 16:47:37	bparker_	I'm having a strange issue where any time my Xorg session is locked (lightdm, light-locker), something always consumes 90%+ of available RAM at the same time every night (around 10:30 PM local time)... and holds it until I sign back in, and then it drops way back down (from ~60GB of 64 used down to 8), but processes have already been oom-killed at that point. any idea what it could be? top/htop
2021-08-23 16:47:37	bparker_	etc. 
2021-08-23 16:47:43	bparker_	show no user or kernel thread actually consuming anywhere near that much memory
2021-08-23 16:47:57	low-key	I had both of mine set to 1 because of some issue I ran into a long time ago and now the only font size that things look fine at are 10 which is a bit smaller than I'd like
2021-08-23 16:48:55	ixil	Namarrgon: I'm runing qemu through `sudo -E -u qemu qemu-system-x86` so I assume it's spawning virt-viewer as the user too qemu
2021-08-23 16:49:17	Namarrgon	how do you start virt-viewer?
2021-08-23 16:49:42	ixil	just through a qemu argument, `-display spice`
2021-08-23 16:49:48	Namarrgon	then your assumption is wrong
2021-08-23 16:50:14	Namarrgon	why do you not just run qemu as your regular user?
2021-08-23 16:50:33	Namarrgon	both qemu and virt-viewer
2021-08-23 16:51:22	ixil	Namarrgon, I guess I could, but then I'll need to give my user access to `disk` and various other groups, but I guess it makes no difference in the end
2021-08-23 16:51:26	demonicmaniac	bparker_: log it
2021-08-23 16:52:06	bparker_	demonicmaniac: log what, how?
2021-08-23 16:52:07	Namarrgon	ixil: the gist is that both uses need access to that socket
2021-08-23 16:52:11	Namarrgon	*users
2021-08-23 16:52:32	demonicmaniac	bparker_: running processes and their cpu/memory load
2021-08-23 16:52:33	Namarrgon	ixil: if you run qemu as 'qemu' and virt-viewer as 'ixil' then that is not the case
2021-08-23 16:52:35	ixil	where should the socket appear, ls -la /tmp doesn't show it up
2021-08-23 16:52:43	demonicmaniac	then you can look it up next time after they were killed
2021-08-23 16:52:49	Namarrgon	ixil: it shows up where you told qemu to create it
2021-08-23 16:52:54	ixil	I also added `ixil` to the qemu group
2021-08-23 16:53:07	bparker_	demonicmaniac: I already mentioned no process uses much ram, the total doesn't add up to anywhere near what's being used
2021-08-23 16:53:13	bparker_	uses that much*
2021-08-23 16:53:23	bparker_	it's something invisible
2021-08-23 16:53:55	demonicmaniac	the way you worded it sounded like you just don't know because it was already oom killed when you sign in
2021-08-23 16:54:07	Namarrgon	ixil: "-spice unix,addr=/path/to/socket"
2021-08-23 16:54:22	bparker_	demonicmaniac: if I ssh in before signing in locally I can see the issue
2021-08-23 16:54:30	demonicmaniac	i see
2021-08-23 16:54:42	bparker_	I can even watch top grow from 8->60GB and nothing in the process list changes its RAM usage
2021-08-23 16:55:32	demonicmaniac	what about lsmod
2021-08-23 16:55:42	bparker_	signing back in from lightdm seems to be what drops it back down to normal
2021-08-23 16:55:51	bparker_	haven't checked lsmod yet
2021-08-23 16:56:40	bparker_	but seems unlikely unless maybe it's the GPU or something
2021-08-23 16:57:31	demonicmaniac	lsmod only shows module size fwiw
2021-08-23 16:57:51	demonicmaniac	so yeah it won't catch anything runaway there but would be interesting to see which gpu and gpu specific tools for allocation
2021-08-23 17:06:36	Malinux	Hi. What might I have done wrong to have the show applications button in gnome 40 and it don't show the app grid?
2021-08-23 17:14:02	tonitch	hey I have a strange issue... (well 2 but one is less important) 
2021-08-23 17:15:13	gehidore	yeah I've got a couple of those trip too
2021-08-23 17:15:30	tonitch	I use bspwm and lightdm and when my pc is standby, it comes back to lightdm then my session is not restored on reconnecting... idk if it's lightdm, bspwm or something else but my solution was to disable standby time
2021-08-23 17:16:24	MrElendig	Malinux: win-s vs win-a?
2021-08-23 17:16:57	tonitch	soo my main prob is that I use xset to disable these standby black screen in my .xprofile which is executed by .xinitrc
2021-08-23 17:17:05	Malinux	MrElendig: looks like it's the same as win-a though the same happens though
2021-08-23 17:17:46	tonitch	and this work one time out of 2... sometimes my pc is fine and no standby at all, but sometimes it standby after 600s and I can verify xset q that tell me that this is not disabled
2021-08-23 17:17:48	Malinux	I know I unisntalled some ghome-<pacakges> as I thought I didn't needed them. That might be why, but I don't remember what I uninstalled :p
2021-08-23 17:18:00	MrElendig	using -Rd?
2021-08-23 17:18:05	MrElendig	or -Rdd even
2021-08-23 17:18:17	MrElendig	and the pacman log will say what you uninstalled
2021-08-23 17:19:41	Malinux	I am quite new to arch linux. Does this mean exactly: sudo pacman -Rdd gnome ?
2021-08-23 17:20:01	tonitch	I know that the probleme is not that .xprofile is not executed because it handle the script for my wallpaper and, I have a wallpaper everytime I run the pc
2021-08-23 17:20:25	MrElendig	Malinux: yes, did you use -Rdd to uninstall the packages?
2021-08-23 17:27:08	Malinux	no, think I used -R only iirc
2021-08-23 17:29:42	Malinux	anyhow, this is what I get if I run: pacman -Rdd gnome http://paste.debian.net/1208711/
2021-08-23 17:29:46	phrik	Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)
2021-08-23 17:30:34	MrElendig	don't ever run -Rdd gnome
2021-08-23 17:30:46	MrElendig	I never told you to run it, I asked you if you had
2021-08-23 17:30:57	MrElendig	since that is about the only way you can break the dependency tree
2021-08-23 17:32:50	Malinux	ah
2021-08-23 17:33:29	Malinux	I didn't answwer yes to the question though :)
2021-08-23 17:34:56	MrElendig	good
2021-08-23 17:38:45	Malinux	I guess I could try to reinstall gnome if there is a way to reinstall it + it dependencies?
2021-08-23 17:40:28	MrElendig	pacman -S gnome will do that, but I would check the pacman log first to see what you removed
2021-08-23 17:43:32	Malinux	pacages I removed, containing the word gnome in it: http://paste.debian.net/1208713/
2021-08-23 17:43:37	phrik	Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)
2021-08-23 17:44:06	MrElendig	those shouln't break the application view
2021-08-23 17:44:17	Malinux	okey, so something else might have then
2021-08-23 17:44:25	MrElendig	test with a new user
2021-08-23 17:44:37	Malinux	oki
2021-08-23 17:44:59	MrElendig	though if there was an accidentally removed package it might not be named gnome-*
2021-08-23 17:45:13	thrice	also, packages not including the word "gnome" should be considered :>
2021-08-23 17:45:41	GNUtoo	Hi, Archlinux has a dpkg package. When installed, it prints a warning to not use it to install Debian packages as it will break the system,
2021-08-23 17:45:42	Malinux	thrice: yeah, I can check those as well, just gonna login to the new user and check what happens
2021-08-23 17:46:08	GNUtoo	Is there anything special with that, or is it only because the paths are expected to conflict?
2021-08-23 17:46:35	thrice	the better way is to re-package .debs
2021-08-23 17:46:40	⚡ 	GNUtoo wants to understand how safe it is In the case of a package that does not have any conflicting paths design
2021-08-23 17:46:58	Malinux	with the new user, the appgrid shows, so it must be something else
2021-08-23 17:47:01	MrElendig	GNUtoo: is this some horrible closed source software=
2021-08-23 17:47:02	GNUtoo	*by design
2021-08-23 17:47:25	MrElendig	Malinux: disable any extensions one at a time, and switch back to the stock theme
2021-08-23 17:47:33	Malinux	yeah, gonna try that :)
2021-08-23 17:47:36	GNUtoo	MrElendig: not at all, it's just me being lazy, I can produce deb packages with Guix, so I was wondering if it was safe to advise that Archlinux and derivative users could install the package
2021-08-23 17:47:58	thrice	no, you shouldn't
2021-08-23 17:48:17	MrElendig	just bribe someone to put it in aur
2021-08-23 17:48:18	GNUtoo	The real fix would be to teach Guix to produce Arch packages, but at the end of the day I need something that works now
2021-08-23 17:48:28	MrElendig	built from source, not repackaged deb
2021-08-23 17:48:37	Malinux	oh, I hit the right one at first, probably. the Dash to panel. now I don't have a panel, but when i hit win-a I see apps again
2021-08-23 17:49:01	MrElendig	dash to panel shouldn't break the app overview in any way
2021-08-23 17:49:02	GNUtoo	Here it's built from source and I'll give the full and corresponding source code, I'm just trying to understand what to write in the releases notes
2021-08-23 17:49:26	Malinux	oh, maybe I changed something in it's settings :S I know this is likely a pebcack issue xD hehe
2021-08-23 17:49:27	MrElendig	GNUtoo: just tell people how to compile it and let the distros manage the packaging?
2021-08-23 17:49:58	Namarrgon	GNUtoo: document the buildsystem/-requirements and that's all you need for arch
2021-08-23 17:50:14	Malinux	at least it's sometihing with that extension, likely
2021-08-23 17:50:21	drat_	arch has system requirementS? oops
2021-08-23 17:50:22	GNUtoo	MrElendig: If it's not safe I'll just tell people to install it on debian derivatives, it's not meant to be installed in Archlinux and derivatives in the first place
2021-08-23 17:50:36	GNUtoo	If it's safe I don't see why excluding distros
2021-08-23 17:50:39	MrElendig	distro specific tool?
2021-08-23 17:51:18	GNUtoo	It's a looong story, basically it's a repackaging of repo from google to run on older distros
2021-08-23 17:51:46	GNUtoo	The issue is that tool keep updating itself, so at some point you end up with incompatible python version between the new repo and the distro python
2021-08-23 17:52:18	GNUtoo	And that's to make a last update to an Android distro based on Android 6 and then concentrate on porting it to Android 11
2021-08-23 17:52:36	Namarrgon	has anyone asked you about arch packages?
2021-08-23 17:52:50	GNUtoo	And debs seems better than plain tarball without any package management
2021-08-23 17:53:08	GNUtoo	Not really, I thought it was a quick question
2021-08-23 17:53:13	Namarrgon	this sounds like a fringe case that you shouldn't develop a headache over as upstream
2021-08-23 17:53:43	Malinux	hah, this isn't pebcak after all it seem:
2021-08-23 17:53:44	Malinux	https://github.com/home-sweet-gnome/dash-to-panel/issues/1437
2021-08-23 17:53:45	MrElendig	sounds like something you should ship as docker images instead :p
2021-08-23 17:54:03	Malinux	thanks for helping me getting to the root of this issue :)
2021-08-23 17:54:07	GNUtoo	indeed, in the absence of response I'll assume that it's not safe then
2021-08-23 17:54:31	Namarrgon	you got responses and they all agree that it's a terrible idea to recommend dpkg on arch
2021-08-23 17:54:33	GNUtoo	Because else I end up wanting to do one thing and having to fix the next and the next and the next in a never ending list
2021-08-23 17:55:06	MrElendig	so just a update of the extension should fix it
2021-08-23 17:55:08	GNUtoo	ok, so I assume it's not safe, thanks a lot
2021-08-23 17:55:15	Namarrgon	it's not safe
2021-08-23 17:55:34	Malinux	MrElendig: yeah, though, seems like it's not pushed yet, so I've either have to do it manually or to wait until next update :)
2021-08-23 17:55:47	MrElendig	Malinux: pushed but not in a stable release
2021-08-23 17:55:56	MrElendig	at least not tagged on gh
2021-08-23 17:56:04	Malinux	ah, yeah
2021-08-23 17:58:09	Malinux	I might be able to install it from aur and pick the git-version there
2021-08-23 17:59:45	Malinux	oh, that works :) 
2021-08-23 18:05:48	jkc	ccccccvcivcuehibjidfnvclbeucuvnndtefleldjehb
2021-08-23 18:05:53	jkc	Oops. Yubifail.
2021-08-23 18:05:58	Malinux	whopsi
2021-08-23 18:06:22	MrElendig	quick, log into his system before the timeout expires!
2021-08-23 18:09:44	Malinux	done :p
2021-08-23 18:10:43	drat_	just invited my entire immediate family to discord lol
2021-08-23 18:10:45	jkc	Neat thing about yubikey OTPs is that as soon as you use a token code, all past ones are voided as well. :P
2021-08-23 18:10:47	drat_	everyone pray for me
2021-08-23 18:12:55	_cyphertite_	avu:  I'm not following the logic of your ^advice to 'nij-' (now quit), earlier.  What good is having physical access to a keyfile (only) to 'boot' an encrypted system without also having the passwords of / and each <USER>?
2021-08-23 18:13:37	jkc	Because unencrypted access to storage media makes it trivial to change those passwords.
2021-08-23 18:16:42	_cyphertite_	jkc:  please explain the 'risks' you claim exist, all my 'storage media' are also encrypted
2021-08-23 18:17:17	jkc	"What good is having access to a keyfile without also having the passwords?" With access to the keyfile, you can decrypt the storage, and change said passwords.
2021-08-23 18:17:41	jkc	So having physical access to the storage AND the keyfile gives you the ability to do whatever you want.
2021-08-23 18:23:08	_cyphertite_	wrong, my encrypted /boot is protected by a keyfile with 0000 permissions.  1.  How is anyone ever going to obtain access?  2.  That keyfile even if you had it REQUIRES you to enter my LUKS2 / passphrase, post boot 
2021-08-23 18:24:43	jkc	That's not the original question you asked.
2021-08-23 18:25:08	jkc	And permissions mean nothing if you mount the filesystem containing the keyfile somewhere else.
2021-08-23 18:25:59	_cyphertite_	only root can do that, and no one else, other than me, is /
2021-08-23 18:27:49	Namarrgon	wasn't the original question about a keyfile stored on the same system but unencrypted so that the volume could be unlocked without user input?
2021-08-23 18:32:58	_cyphertite_	Namarrgon and jkc:  sorry if I missed the original 'unencrypted' keyfile part - that seems like an imprudent approach
2021-08-23 18:52:11	Aryan	Hi
2021-08-23 18:52:13	Aryan	aryan@Archian:~$ sudo netstat -tuplen | grep 61208
2021-08-23 18:52:13	Aryan	tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:61208         0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      0          146141     14044/ssh
2021-08-23 18:52:16	Aryan	tcp6       0      0 ::1:61208               :::*                    LISTEN      0          146140     14044/ssh
2021-08-23 18:52:21	Aryan	Hi, Does this mean it only listens on local? and not on interfaces?
2021-08-23 18:52:21	avu	_cyphertite_: yeah, the question was never "keyfile or not" but "can the system boot without requiring input of a passphrase"
2021-08-23 18:58:00	another|	Aryan: it listens on localhost. btw: net-tools are deprecated. use `ss` instead
2021-08-23 19:01:10	MrElendig	and instead of grepping you can match on the port
2021-08-23 19:02:38	Hello71	painfully
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2021-08-23 19:08:53	_cyphertite_	avu:  not sure if it is (even theoretically) possible, but booting any encrypted / without also requiring a LUKS passphrase also seems similarly imprudent
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2021-08-23 19:10:00	another|	Aryan: are you trying to tunnel ports through ssh?
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2021-08-23 19:12:35	Aryan	another|: yess
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2021-08-23 19:13:11	Aryan	But i want to it listen on 0.0.0.0
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2021-08-23 19:14:51	another|	openssh by default only allows to bind on localhost. see sshd_config(5) GatewayPorts
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2021-08-23 20:02:38	mpan	If you know the number of files beforehead and you are certain none of them contains newline in the name, you could probably also just `wc -l` the lines and compare. But lemme see the -i solution first.
2021-08-23 20:02:47	th0rne	Ok, ty.
2021-08-23 20:03:17	mpan	Nah, the -i doesn’t work. :/
2021-08-23 20:04:16	mpan	Sorry, it does!
2021-08-23 20:04:23	mpan	 mv -i SRC DST 0<&-
2021-08-23 20:04:52	th0rne	Can you explain 0<&-? I'm unfamiliar.
2021-08-23 20:04:53	mpan	Though be aware it produces noise, so you may wish to redirect stderr to /dev/null too.
2021-08-23 20:05:00	mpan	th0rne: n<&- closes n-th file descriptor.
2021-08-23 20:05:29	th0rne	Oh nice, yeah, this is perfect. Thanks!
2021-08-23 20:05:46	mpan	But be aware it produces noise, as mv doesn’t like it can’t read from stdin.
2021-08-23 20:05:58	mpan	0 = stdin, 1 = stdout, 2 = stderr
2021-08-23 20:08:18	th0rne	That's fine in this case, I'm looking to abort the script when it hits a conflicting name.
2021-08-23 20:08:26	mpan	oh, ok
2021-08-23 20:08:35	th0rne	That's why I wanted to not exit 0 in either case.
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2021-08-23 20:20:23	uthurna	Hi I have been having problems with my Arch installation, can I ask questions here or should I join a different channel?
2021-08-23 20:20:28	NetSysFire	!ask
2021-08-23 20:20:30	phrik	Don't ask to ask, if anyone is here or alive, or uses something. Just ask, and we'll get moving along. Thanks.
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2021-08-23 20:21:14	mpan	uthurna: you are in the right channel.
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2021-08-23 20:22:08	uthurna	Ok so I have been trying to install arch on a 2010 polycarbonate white Macbook and after following all the installation guide steps and installing rEFInd instead of Grub (which works perfectly) when booting into Arch from my SSD I get this message:
2021-08-23 20:22:52	uthurna	 /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
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2021-08-23 20:23:38	uthurna	I read online I needed to boot from the USB, mount my /dev/sda2 and install the linux package again
2021-08-23 20:23:42	uthurna	but it didn't work
2021-08-23 20:24:19	mpan	Is that the only message you are getting?
2021-08-23 20:24:40	uthurna	I also read that someone who had the same problem solved it with a custom mkinitcpio command but idk how mkinitcpio works
2021-08-23 20:24:43	uthurna	yes
2021-08-23 20:25:04	uthurna	let me try to boot again so I can be sure that's the only message
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2021-08-23 20:25:43	uthurna	no wait, I get another Error too, hold on
2021-08-23 20:25:47	mpan	At which point of the boot process that message happens? What happens after it?
2021-08-23 20:27:10	mpan	Oh, exactly. Because shell not being able to access tty is not really a boot issue.
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2021-08-23 20:27:10	uthurna	I will paste exactly what kind of messages I get, right before the second error the can't access tty one it says I'm dropped on an emergency shell 
2021-08-23 20:27:11	uthurna	so this is what I get when booting:
2021-08-23 20:27:28	uthurna	:: running early hook[udev]
2021-08-23 20:27:43	uthurna	Starting version 249.3-1Arch
2021-08-23 20:27:44	another|	!paste
2021-08-23 20:27:45	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-23 20:27:47	mpan	WAIT
2021-08-23 20:27:54	uthurna	oh
2021-08-23 20:27:55	mpan	If you have a lot of text to paste, use a paste service.
2021-08-23 20:28:06	uthurna	yep sure, hold on a minut
2021-08-23 20:28:08	mpan	Aside from that being spam, EMIYA will automatically kick you if you do. :P
2021-08-23 20:28:17	uthurna	is ghostbin.com ok with you?
2021-08-23 20:28:41	Hello71	!paste
2021-08-23 20:28:43	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-23 20:28:54	uthurna	thx
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2021-08-23 20:35:06	uthurna	https://paste.rs/Vb3
2021-08-23 20:35:12	uthurna	here it is
2021-08-23 20:35:37	mpan	uthurna: seems like you have messed up the fstab step.
2021-08-23 20:35:44	uthurna	oh
2021-08-23 20:35:51	uthurna	I didn't try re-doing that
2021-08-23 20:36:03	uthurna	I only tried re-installing the linux package
2021-08-23 20:36:26	uthurna	so I should repeat the step? or start installing from the beggining?
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2021-08-23 20:37:41	mpan	Just fix fstab, assuming it is wrong. But that is my guess. Basically you have wrong storage device (SSD, HDD, …) set somewhere.
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2021-08-23 20:39:16	uthurna	oh, the installation guide doesn't cover SSDs?
2021-08-23 20:39:51	drat_	you can probably fix the fstab from the live installation using chroot
2021-08-23 20:39:58	mpan	Or you have generated a wrong initramfs somehow.
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2021-08-23 20:40:22	mpan	uthurna: there is no need to cover SSDs separately.
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2021-08-23 20:41:49	uthurna	so I will boot with the USB, mount the partitions, repeat the fstab steps?
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2021-08-23 20:42:21	mpan	uthurna: basically, re-check all the steps related to fstab and generating initramfs. In particular pay attention if you have mounted everything properly during the process and chrooted into the right directories. For example people often forget to mount a separate boot partition into /$MOUNT_POINT/boot during installation.
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2021-08-23 20:42:54	uthurna	OH I think that's what I messed up
2021-08-23 20:43:07	mpan	That’s what I can guess for now.
2021-08-23 20:43:07	uthurna	I don't think I mounted a seperate boot partition
2021-08-23 20:43:31	uthurna	so I shoud do mount /dev/sda2/boot /mnt/boot ?
2021-08-23 20:43:51	mpan	So likely initramfs was generated into a directory on your root filesystem. :P
2021-08-23 20:44:13	mpan	uthurna: /dev/whatever-partition-is-your-boot-partition to /mnt/boot, assuming you mounted your root filesystem as /mnt.
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2021-08-23 20:44:29	mpan	But first check if /mnt/boot is empty and remove its contents if it is not, BEFORE MOUNTING ANYTHING INTO IT.
2021-08-23 20:44:29	drat_	sda1 > /mnt sda2 >/mnt/boot
2021-08-23 20:44:40	mpan	drat_: that depends on the layout.
2021-08-23 20:44:46	drat_	well obviously
2021-08-23 20:44:52	uthurna	my boot partition isn't the swap partition is it? 
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2021-08-23 20:44:57	drat_	no
2021-08-23 20:45:20	uthurna	which one is it
2021-08-23 20:45:22	uthurna	EFI?
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2021-08-23 20:46:36	mpan	That depends on how you have installed Arch. It may be or it may be not, depending on your earlier choices: <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFI_system_partition>.
2021-08-23 20:46:37	phrik	Title: EFI system partition - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-23 20:46:44	mpan	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFI_system_partition#Typical_mount_points
2021-08-23 20:46:45	phrik	Title: EFI system partition - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-23 20:47:01	uthurna	ahh I see
2021-08-23 20:47:04	uthurna	thanks!
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2021-08-23 20:48:06	mpan	But since I don’t even use an UEFI system, I can’t provide any help with that.
2021-08-23 20:49:25	uthurna	no worries I think I will find it, since we located the problem it's not gonna be that hard to fix it
2021-08-23 20:50:18	mpan	Not really located. Just noticed it’s related to the path to the device not being set correctly somewhere, where “somewhere” may be many places and caused by many mistakes. ;)
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2021-08-23 20:53:09	zeraphel	is this the wrong place to seek support regarding the forums
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2021-08-23 20:54:09	Namarrgon	did you accidentally uninstall the arch forums?
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2021-08-23 20:55:01	buttermelted	hi
2021-08-23 20:55:14	thurstylark	!welcome
2021-08-23 20:55:15	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
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2021-08-23 20:57:38	Namarrgon	zeraphel: what exactly do you need help with?
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2021-08-23 20:57:55	zeraphel	Namarrgon: second day trying to recover the password,  got the reset email, followed the reset link, still the password isnt being accepted
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2021-08-23 20:59:19	Namarrgon	zeraphel: some of the forum mods/admins hang out in #archlinux-wiki, if nobody replies there try -devops
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2021-08-24 18:38:47	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-08-24 18:38:47	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1321 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1321 normals)
2021-08-24 13:46:19	Namarrgon	susi: the script will end at the first 'exec' line, they aren't ignore per se
2021-08-24 13:46:30	Trevelian	Hum I see that the GID of systemd-journal is 984 where I have 1 folder and 983 where I have 2 folders
2021-08-24 13:46:58	Rikle_S	Namarrgon: pacman -U nvidai-470.63.01-1-x86_64
2021-08-24 13:47:22	Namarrgon	Rikle_S: which version of the kernel did you downgrade to?
2021-08-24 13:47:46	Rikle_S	5.13.10
2021-08-24 13:47:57	grazzolini	Rikle_S: wait, when you used linux-lts, did you also install nvidia-lts (or dkms)?
2021-08-24 13:48:01	Namarrgon	you need pkgrel -2 for that
2021-08-24 13:48:15	Namarrgon	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commits/packages/nvidia/trunk
2021-08-24 13:48:21	Rikle_S	grazzolini: no, but now I'm not on lts
2021-08-24 13:49:12	grazzolini	Rikle_S: well, you'd need to for -lts. anyway, when downgrading the driver, make sure to also downgrade nvidia-utils and the rest of the packages, if applicable. this is why I told you to use -lts
2021-08-24 13:52:47	Rikle_S	grazzolini: I'm on LTS and gdm works
2021-08-24 13:52:49	Rikle_S	thank you
2021-08-24 13:53:00	Rikle_S	will see if it fixes my issue
2021-08-24 13:53:15	Namarrgon	you could have at least mentioned that lts breaks in a different way
2021-08-24 13:54:36	Rikle_S	Namarrgon: mmmmh. You're right, even if gdm didn't start, it crashed from the shell
2021-08-24 13:54:36	grazzolini	Namarrgon: different way being he didn't install nvidia-lts, most likely
2021-08-24 13:54:48	Namarrgon	yes
2021-08-24 13:54:59	Rikle_S	but yes, wasn't using nvidia lts
2021-08-24 13:58:36	timon__	I think tbsm is actually scuffed as fuck
2021-08-24 14:01:06	timon_	does anyone know libgraph?
2021-08-24 14:20:21	Rikle_S	looks like it works
2021-08-24 14:24:09	th0rne	Is there a way to ask an already running rsync instance about progress? I guess not?
2021-08-24 14:24:33	th0rne	Like, if a remote machine is copying files from my machine.
2021-08-24 14:25:10	The-Compiler	th0rne: why not restart it, given that rsync can easily pick up where it was interrupted?
2021-08-24 14:25:45	th0rne	Then I'd have to contact my mom and tell her to restart the download, it's a hassle.
2021-08-24 14:27:27	th0rne	Is there some voodoo I could do with inodes or whatever to see which file it's on?
2021-08-24 14:28:41	Namarrgon	"Finally,  you  can get an instant progress report by sending rsync a signal of either SIGINFO or SIGVTALRM"
2021-08-24 14:28:48	th0rne	Nice!
2021-08-24 14:29:11	th0rne	So 'pkill -<some_number> rsync'?
2021-08-24 14:30:54	mongy	https://askubuntu.com/questions/323775/monitor-watch-running-rsync-process ?
2021-08-24 14:30:55	phrik	Title: Monitor/Watch running rsync process - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
2021-08-24 14:31:13	grazzolini	th0rne: kill -SIGINFO <pid>
2021-08-24 14:31:32	th0rne	Oh, right, it can do names. Thanks!
2021-08-24 14:31:40	The-Compiler	SIGINFO is a BSD-specific thing, no?
2021-08-24 14:31:53	th0rne	I couldn't find SIGINFO in htop list either.
2021-08-24 14:31:57	grazzolini	th0rne: pkill can also do names it seems. so, pkill -SIGINFO rsync should work
2021-08-24 14:32:09	th0rne	But SIGVTALRM seems to be 26.
2021-08-24 14:33:18	grazzolini	th0rne: linux also has SIGINFO. if in doubt, refer to man 7 signal
2021-08-24 14:34:01	grazzolini	hmm, it looks like SIGINFO is SIGPWR
2021-08-24 14:34:07	grazzolini	so, yeah, linux doesn't support it
2021-08-24 14:34:13	th0rne	Yeah, I see that.
2021-08-24 14:34:19	th0rne	-bash: kill: SIGINFO: invalid signal specification
2021-08-24 14:34:47	th0rne	'kill -SIGVTALRM <pid>' exits 0, but doesn't return anything.
2021-08-24 14:35:25	Namarrgon	are you watching the rsync output?
2021-08-24 14:35:31	Namarrgon	there might be more than one rsync process, send it to all of them and see which one responds
2021-08-24 14:35:37	th0rne	No, the output is on the other machine.
2021-08-24 14:35:44	Namarrgon	well
2021-08-24 14:35:48	th0rne	Does it only work from that machine?
2021-08-24 14:35:58	niki	rsync will send it to stdout, not kill
2021-08-24 14:36:03	niki	(or stderr)
2021-08-24 14:36:06	Namarrgon	it will go to the terminal that rsync is attached to
2021-08-24 14:36:14	th0rne	Oh, I see.
2021-08-24 14:37:27	susi	tell us if t works 
2021-08-24 14:37:52	th0rne	I mean it doesn't. I don't have access to the remote machine that initiated the transfer.
2021-08-24 14:39:05	th0rne	I can do 'pgrep -af rsync' and see that it's still working, but that's it.
2021-08-24 14:39:10	grawity	jelle: ah, so that's the one I was looking for
2021-08-24 14:39:15	jelle	grawity: hah
2021-08-24 14:39:27	grawity	I dug through like 3 different issue trackers for it
2021-08-24 14:39:37	jelle	hehe
2021-08-24 14:40:09	th0rne	What about the inode stuff? Can I somehow echo what files are being read in a directory?
2021-08-24 14:40:24	grawity	ls -l /proc/`pidof rsync`/fd
2021-08-24 14:40:26	grawity	pv -d `pidof rsync`
2021-08-24 14:40:34	grawity	inotifywait -rmqe open ~/source
2021-08-24 14:40:38	grawity	sudo fatrace -c .
2021-08-24 14:40:48	bionade24	Hello, which key do I need to press for ^[ ?
2021-08-24 14:41:09	Cork	bionade24: depends on your keyboard layout
2021-08-24 14:41:11	grawity	generally Esc or ctrl+[
2021-08-24 14:41:34	grawity	it's also usually the prefix used by Alt in terminals
2021-08-24 14:42:12	th0rne	grawity❱ Thanks! :)
2021-08-24 14:42:14	Cork	some languages need ctrl+altgr+[
2021-08-24 14:45:53	bionade24	Cork: Thx
2021-08-24 14:49:56	th0rne	Anyone know what happens when exiv2 says "Warning: Directory Canon, entry 0x0000 has unknown Exif (TIFF) type 0; setting type size 1."?
2021-08-24 14:50:13	th0rne	Does it somehow set this on-the-fly or does it actually modify the file?
2021-08-24 14:57:15	Bayes	!paste
2021-08-24 14:57:15	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-24 14:58:54	Bayes	https://bpa.st/LGAA pulseaudio started giving me these errors (extract from journalctl -b) since I updated yesterday
2021-08-24 14:58:55	phrik	Title: View paste LGAA (at bpa.st)
2021-08-24 15:06:43	Bayes	it seems pulseaudio doesn't have logs on by default
2021-08-24 15:07:02	Bayes	and the errors from journalctl seem not be very illuminating 
2021-08-24 15:07:03	Namarrgon	journalctl --user --unit pulseaudio.service
2021-08-24 15:08:12	Bayes	that's basically the extract I pasted before
2021-08-24 15:09:02	Namarrgon	you can increase the verbosity by overriding the unit
2021-08-24 15:19:24	susi	should I just create empty /etc/pulse/default.pa.d to get rid of 'stat('..'): No such file or directory' entries in logs
2021-08-24 15:22:35	kevku	use pipewire it will at leat tell you if your audio device is garbage
2021-08-24 15:24:59	susi	oh, I have .include /etc/pulse/default.pa.d in default.pa :-)
2021-08-24 16:01:29	sangy	samba bolues again
2021-08-24 16:42:46	thebombzen	on archlinux.org main page, I saw a statement about libxcrypt and weak password hashes
2021-08-24 16:43:08	MrElendig	thebombzen: and?
2021-08-24 16:43:18	thebombzen	this warning about how you're required to change the them did not hit me so I probably have them stored with a proper hash, but it occurred to me that I don't actually know how to check that
2021-08-24 16:43:40	thebombzen	so is there any way to check what hash my shadowfile uses, and how can I change that, if I desired?
2021-08-24 16:43:42	MrElendig	thebombzen: shadow will tell you what the hash type is
2021-08-24 16:44:25	thebombzen	MrElendig: how so? I'm not entirely sure how to read /etc/shadow but just viewing the file didn't make it obvious to me
2021-08-24 16:44:37	MrElendig	second value indicates the hash type
2021-08-24 16:45:26	MrElendig	or rather, first value in the hash itself
2021-08-24 16:45:32	thebombzen	second value? my root entry is this. root:REDACTED:17429:::::: assuming : is a field separator, so does that mean the type is 17429?
2021-08-24 16:46:16	Namarrgon	you have to look at /etc/shadow
2021-08-24 16:46:34	thebombzen	yea, that's where I'm looking
2021-08-24 16:46:42	thebombzen	the line above is copied out of /etc/shadow
2021-08-24 16:46:55	Namarrgon	ah, well, you REDACTED the important bit
2021-08-24 16:47:02	Namarrgon	compare it to "man 5 crypt"
2021-08-24 16:47:14	MrElendig	it says $<someid>$somehash....
2021-08-24 16:47:18	MrElendig	the someid is the hash type
2021-08-24 16:47:25	thebombzen	ah so the $6$ prefix inside that second field is the hash type
2021-08-24 16:47:31	thebombzen	and everything after the $6$ prefix is the actual hash?
2021-08-24 16:47:49	Namarrgon	what the reset means depends on the hash
2021-08-24 16:47:58	thebombzen	is a $ sign a reset character? 
2021-08-24 16:48:05	⚡ 	MrElendig miss the old table in crypt(5) was easier to read
2021-08-24 16:48:32	Namarrgon	thebombzen: it's a delimiter
2021-08-24 16:49:02	thebombzen	it appeared elsewhere in the field, so I was not sure if it was just a coincidence or if it had special meaning. but what I'm gathering is that you're telling me that $6$ is the type and the FOO that follows is the data, is that correct?
2021-08-24 16:49:18	Namarrgon	"man 5 crypt"
2021-08-24 16:50:00	thebombzen	ugh this page doens't have a table
2021-08-24 16:50:07	Namarrgon	oh no
2021-08-24 16:50:24	thebombzen	it just means I gotta scroll through and read every entry to find the one that's mine. but yes it does appear that way
2021-08-24 16:50:35	MrElendig	thebombzen: / or C-f
2021-08-24 16:51:45	thebombzen	I tried that and it said not found, MrElendig, interestingly enough, alhtough searching through it the old-fashioned way (i.e. scrolling until you find it) did tell me it's sha512crypt
2021-08-24 16:52:04	thebombzen	entereing /$6$ (enter) gave me a pattern not found  (yes I was at the top of the file)
2021-08-24 16:52:12	MrElendig	depending on pager you might have to escape the $
2021-08-24 16:53:10	thebombzen	huh. looks like /\$6\$ worked, TIL. anyway thanks for the tips
2021-08-24 16:53:14	nl6720	for less you can disable regex parsing in the search field with Ctrl+r
2021-08-24 16:54:51	⚡ 	MrElendig currently uses most as MANPAGER
2021-08-24 16:55:20	Namarrgon	is it update-your-passwords day or why is everyone poking around in shadow today?
2021-08-24 16:55:42	thebombzen	am I not the only one who asked this?
2021-08-24 16:56:32	thebombzen	Namarrgon: This question is a work of personal curiosity. Any association between me and other people asking about /etc/shadow, living or dead, is entirely coincidental.
2021-08-24 16:57:09	⚡ 	MrElendig wonders if arch will also switch to yescrypt as the default "soon"
2021-08-24 16:58:49	nl6720	!give MrElendig bug 71393
2021-08-24 16:58:49	phrik	MrElendig: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/71393
2021-08-24 16:59:04	nl6720	you can vote for it
2021-08-24 17:00:04	thebombzen	since I'm thinking about this atm, is there a way to make it the default locally
2021-08-24 17:00:49	MrElendig	yes
2021-08-24 17:00:58	grazzolini	Namarrgon: oh no, because we must use better hashing
2021-08-24 17:01:59	MrElendig	/etc/login.defs and the config file for whatever tool you use which ignores that file
2021-08-24 17:02:31	thebombzen	uh what
2021-08-24 17:02:45	nl6720	/etc/pam.d/passwd hardcodes sha512
2021-08-24 17:03:37	AlwaysLivid	Hi, I created a systemd unit in order to fix the Xbox One controller on Arch, which sometimes has issues on the system: https://github.com/panos/XboxOneFixerForArch-systemd
2021-08-24 17:03:57	jelle	Namarrgon: the issue for me was,.. had a password with sha256crypt, and arch kept bugging me that it was "expired"
2021-08-24 17:04:03	AlwaysLivid	I'm not sure if I should add that on the wiki or if it even works alright. The commands themselves as suggested in the Arch wiki don't work on my system, so. Not sure what to do.
2021-08-24 17:04:24	thebombzen	uh irc just ate my message
2021-08-24 17:04:25	MrElendig	AlwaysLivid: why not an udev rule?
2021-08-24 17:04:46	thebombzen	oh I keep starting it with a slash, I am dummy.  anyway: /etc/login.defs has a line at the bottom ENCRYPT_METHOD SHA512, and SHA512 does not match the name provided in crypt(5), which is sha512crypt
2021-08-24 17:05:00	AlwaysLivid	lol that's possibly a better idea even if I barely have a clue as to how I'm supposed to implement that, MrElendig
2021-08-24 17:05:18	AlwaysLivid	but if it's "more" correct and helps people, that'd definitely be interesting
2021-08-24 17:05:19	nl6720	thebombzen: that's because of https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/67393
2021-08-24 17:05:20	phrik	Title: FS#67393 : [shadow][pambase] Stop overriding the specified ENCRYPT_METHOD in /etc/login.defs (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2021-08-24 17:05:24	MrElendig	AlwaysLivid: wiki has examples
2021-08-24 17:05:35	AlwaysLivid	Yeah, that's what I based the repository on.
2021-08-24 17:05:42	AlwaysLivid	Oh wait, you're talking about udev rules
2021-08-24 17:05:55	AlwaysLivid	Yeah, I've seen 'em, they've helped me but I still don't fundamentally understand them perfectly well.
2021-08-24 17:05:57	AlwaysLivid	I'll see, thanks!
2021-08-24 17:06:05	MrElendig	AlwaysLivid: could probably do it as a module option instead
2021-08-24 17:06:08	MrElendig	too
2021-08-24 17:06:19	AlwaysLivid	if you carry on i'll nerd the heck out :P
2021-08-24 17:06:31	MrElendig	AlwaysLivid: also https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Gamepad#Xbox_Wireless_Controller_/_Xbox_One_Wireless_Controller
2021-08-24 17:06:32	phrik	Title: Gamepad - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-24 17:06:33	nl6720	the wiki page has an example for using a modules option
2021-08-24 17:06:34	AlwaysLivid	like, module as in kernel module?
2021-08-24 17:06:34	MrElendig	update your firmware!
2021-08-24 17:06:40	AlwaysLivid	gotcha!
2021-08-24 17:06:41	MrElendig	(requires win10
2021-08-24 17:06:43	MrElendig	)
2021-08-24 17:07:11	MrElendig	then you might not need the workaround unless you have some very specific bt dongle chipset
2021-08-24 17:07:14	thebombzen	nl6720: no, I mean, the name itself is not the same name as in crypt(5), regardless of override, so I figure there is a translation table somewhere?
2021-08-24 17:07:14	AlwaysLivid	hm, would this be feasible with passing through a bluetooth adapter to some win10 VM?
2021-08-24 17:07:25	MrElendig	usb passtrough works fine for that
2021-08-24 17:07:31	thebombzen	since those files (and /etc/login.defs) calls it "sha512" and crypt(5) calls it sha512crypt
2021-08-24 17:07:32	AlwaysLivid	yeah makes sense
2021-08-24 17:07:36	AlwaysLivid	thanks for the help, MrElendig!
2021-08-24 17:08:25	MrElendig	AlwaysLivid: disabling ertm is still needed with some broken bt controllers but I would test updating the firmware first
2021-08-24 17:08:41	AlwaysLivid	Yeah, good idea. Will do, wasn't actively aware of the fact that Microsoft pushed out a patch for that.
2021-08-24 17:08:59	thebombzen	since the methods in crypt(5) don't all end with "crypt" I figure there's some translation table beyond simply appending "crypt" like it has here
2021-08-24 17:09:00	MrElendig	of course might want to disable ermt for other broken hardware too :p
2021-08-24 17:09:03	AlwaysLivid	BTW: I'm interested in participating in the development of tools for Arch Linux at some point. I recently reviewed the arch-install script because it worked disastrously for me even though I'm in love with the concept, among other things.
2021-08-24 17:09:12	MrElendig	eg I have to do it to get my bt speakers to work
2021-08-24 17:09:15	AlwaysLivid	Is there a more low-volume chat for that? Feels like I'm spamming people that need help away
2021-08-24 17:09:19	MrElendig	they never got a firmware fix
2021-08-24 17:09:24	AlwaysLivid	ooooooooooof
2021-08-24 17:09:33	MrElendig	silly jbl :7
2021-08-24 17:09:50	MrElendig	nice speaker otherwise (except for the lack of aptx/aac/similar)
2021-08-24 17:10:18	AlwaysLivid	They're quite popular in Greece and Germany, as well. Not sure about elsewhere.
2021-08-24 17:10:36	⚡ 	MrElendig has flip4
2021-08-24 17:10:44	AlwaysLivid	I own one. I tried connecting two of them, then streaming audio to them simulatenously for stereo sound.
2021-08-24 17:10:51	AlwaysLivid	It was genuinely awesome (and loud)
2021-08-24 17:11:31	AlwaysLivid	but it didn't work perfectly well because too much data transmission. I just got a new Bluetooth adapter, however, it may be able to achieve that 1 Mb/s mark.
2021-08-24 17:11:45	MrElendig	went flip over charge for the portability but regret not getting the charge since I ended up mostly using it around the house anyway, and charge has much more omphf
2021-08-24 17:12:33	AlwaysLivid	I have like, one of these very small cube-like ones
2021-08-24 17:14:56	AlwaysLivid	I should dig it up again
2021-08-24 17:16:21	susi	is openssl 1.1.1.k-1 same as 1.1.1.l should be? fixin these https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20210824.txt
2021-08-24 17:16:41	jelle	k != l
2021-08-24 17:16:46	jkc_	jelle++
2021-08-24 17:17:01	jelle	susi: the fixed package is in [testing]
2021-08-24 17:17:11	susi	ok :S
2021-08-24 17:18:39	jelle	why the sadface
2021-08-24 17:23:04	NetSysFire	maybe typo
2021-08-24 17:23:07	NetSysFire	s is next to d
2021-08-24 17:23:11	adikwok	please help to set touchpad right-click button in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/30-toucnpad.conf
2021-08-24 17:23:44	susi	not a typo
2021-08-24 17:24:16	grazzolini	adikwok: paste it
2021-08-24 17:24:26	grazzolini	also, the name of the file looks wrong to me
2021-08-24 17:25:06	icy_hot	hi guys
2021-08-24 17:25:54	icy_hot	I'm having trouble installing librewolf-bin. Tried following the suggestions from https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/librewolf-bin/ but it didn't work on my end
2021-08-24 17:25:56	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - librewolf-bin (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-08-24 17:26:25	susi	ok, sad to hear it didn't work for you
2021-08-24 17:26:29	adikwok	  http://ix.io/3wQj
2021-08-24 17:26:55	adikwok	grazzolini: http://ix.io/3wQj
2021-08-24 17:27:46	icy_hot	im getting gpg: keyserver receive failed: Server indicated a failure
2021-08-24 17:28:10	susi	I use ClickMethod "clickfinger" with touchpad, recommended
2021-08-24 17:28:34	susi	that's basically the one correct way to utilise a touchpad
2021-08-24 17:28:35	grazzolini	adikwok: why are you mapping buttons?
2021-08-24 17:29:13	adikwok	grazzolini: i am looking for right-click button of my touchpad
2021-08-24 17:29:43	grazzolini	adikwok: just by enabling tapping you already get the two finger right button gesture
2021-08-24 17:30:00	adikwok	grazzolini: now there is only tapping ok, but can not click button left or right
2021-08-24 17:30:02	grazzolini	adikwok: you're talking about the physical right button at the bottom of your touchpad?
2021-08-24 17:30:24	adikwok	grazzolini: yes. thats what i meant, physical button
2021-08-24 17:32:32	adikwok	i used to can clicked and tap 
2021-08-24 17:32:32	adikwok	now its only tap, i forgot how to set click button to work
2021-08-24 17:32:58	grazzolini	adikwok: ok, that should work out of the box. remove that mapping from the conf file and restart X. check with xev to see if you're getting anything when clicking the physical touchpad buttons
2021-08-24 17:33:20	susi	have you tried without those mappings and Option "ClickMethod" "buttonareas"
2021-08-24 17:33:25	grazzolini	adikwok: that's the thing, you usually don't need to set anything for them to work. it should work out of the box
2021-08-24 17:33:48	grazzolini	susi: I think that's the default already
2021-08-24 17:33:49	adikwok	susi: not yet, i try it now
2021-08-24 17:37:24	grazzolini	susi: nvm, the default is based on hardware defaults. even if buttonareas is more common, doesn't mean it's the default for all devices.
2021-08-24 17:37:44	grazzolini	adikwok: you can check the defaults by running xinput list-props <id>
2021-08-24 17:37:53	grazzolini	where id is the id of your touchpad device
2021-08-24 17:40:13	adikwok	grazzolini: i tried.. xinput set-button-map 10 1 0 3 4 5 6 7
2021-08-24 17:41:43	adikwok	grazzolini: not working too
2021-08-24 17:42:37	grazzolini	adikwok: but I'm not talking about button remapping. I'm talking about: a) use xinput to get the properties of you device b) use xev to check what happens when you press the physical button
2021-08-24 17:43:09	grazzolini	adikwok: xev should detect a button press/release and the buttons should be 1 (for left button) and 3 (for right button), iirc
2021-08-24 17:45:13	adikwok	 grazzolini nothing happened when i clicked physical button in xev
2021-08-24 17:45:29	thebombzen	icy_hot: you tried running: gpg --recv-keys KEY_ID
2021-08-24 17:45:30	thebombzen	right?
2021-08-24 17:46:07	thebombzen	calling --recv-keys makes gpg contact the keyserver and download the key with the given name (which is a hexadecimal string)
2021-08-24 17:46:09	grazzolini	adikwok: and you reverted the button remapping settings before trying that, right? by changing the configuration file and restarting X
2021-08-24 17:48:06	adikwok	grazzolini: yes, i commented out the buttonmapping line and restarted x
2021-08-24 17:52:17	adikwok	grazzolini: not working either, i commented out xorg.conf buttonmapping and restart lxdm
2021-08-24 17:52:56	grazzolini	adikwok: xev doesn't detect anything at all?
2021-08-24 17:53:29	adikwok	grazzolini: i am using lxdm, lxde now, want to use openbox or fluxbox, but can not right-click to set the menu from openbox or fluxbox
2021-08-24 17:53:48	adikwok	grazzolini: another question, please
2021-08-24 17:54:01	grazzolini	adikwok: paste xinput list-props
2021-08-24 18:02:31	grazzolini	adikwok: ah, you have a synaptics touchpad =D
2021-08-24 18:02:41	grazzolini	I guess we should've started with that
2021-08-24 18:04:08	grazzolini	adikwok: you don't have click methods on the properties output. you probably need a driver for it.
2021-08-24 18:10:14	adikwok	grazzolini: what driver? 
2021-08-24 18:11:03	grazzolini	adikwok: I don't know
2021-08-24 18:11:19	grazzolini	adikwok: to be quite honest with you, I'd just use gestures and move on
2021-08-24 18:12:34	adikwok	grazzolini: ok, thx for advise
2021-08-24 18:12:42	adikwok	grazzolini: and your help
2021-08-24 18:13:25	susi	adikwok: you may google 'synaptics touchpad linux' :)
2021-08-24 18:14:44	adikwok	susi: xf86-input-synaptics driver is on maintenance mode and
2021-08-24 18:14:44	adikwok	    xf86-input-libinput driver must be prefered over
2021-08-24 18:15:10	adikwok	susi: thats what i got from pacman -S synaptics
2021-08-24 18:18:12	grazzolini	adikwok: try using xf86-input-synaptics
2021-08-24 18:18:31	grazzolini	if it works then you have a broken libinput hardware. you can also report/check for bugs
2021-08-24 18:33:47	adikwok	susi: still can not righ-click .. i guess its okay for me now
2021-08-24 18:34:35	adikwok	susi: one more question, please. 
2021-08-24 18:34:35	adikwok	i have ext.4 installed ..but why when i do lsblk, i can not see lvm sdx which i had?
2021-08-24 18:35:10	adikwok	susi: when i boot with lvm hdd, i can see the ext.4 /dev/sda 
2021-08-24 18:36:18	adikwok	susi: is there a way to boot from ext.4 hdd and can see lvm hdd when i do lsblk?
2021-08-24 18:38:47	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-24 18:38:57	ℹ 	Eres conocido ahora como teraflops
2021-08-24 18:38:59	adikwok	susi: never mind my question just now.. i am too sleepy to set my arch now, thank you for your help
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2021-08-24 18:39:08	adikwok	grazzolini: thank you for your help 
2021-08-24 18:39:36	adikwok	susi:  grazzolini: thank you for your help 
2021-08-24 18:39:42	adikwok	archlinux is cool
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2021-08-24 18:46:07	jmcantrell	I'm curious what the difference would be in pkgver() between a package that's based on the latest commit on master vs one that's based on the latest tag. Anyone know of a good pair of example PKGBUILDs?
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2021-08-24 19:04:46	grazzolini	jmcantrell: it's the difference between git --describe and git rev-list
2021-08-24 19:05:02	grazzolini	jmcantrell: please, refer to this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VCS_package_guidelines#The_pkgver()_function
2021-08-24 19:05:03	phrik	Title: VCS package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-24 19:06:43	jmcantrell	yeah, that's what i've been looking at. every PKGBUILD that i've looked at that's named *-git uses the pkgver() that includes the tag with the revision, though
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2021-08-24 19:16:32	crackedroots	woops :D 
2021-08-24 19:16:37	susi	why is there epoch for so many packages, like less 1:590-1? or sway 1:1.6.1-1
2021-08-24 19:16:41	grazzolini	jmcantrell: I uploaded a package yesterday to the AUR that's from a git repo without tags: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/pysensors-git/
2021-08-24 19:16:42	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - pysensors-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-08-24 19:16:57	grazzolini	susi: because it was needed or a mistake
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2021-08-24 19:17:23	susi	yeah but why would it be needed :-S for less or sway or..
2021-08-24 19:18:23	grazzolini	susi: the history might tell you
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2021-08-24 19:19:21	sabasedigh	I want to create live installable iso of my own build. what should I use. please advise me
2021-08-24 19:19:25	sabasedigh	thanks
2021-08-24 19:19:55	susi	sabasedigh: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Archiso
2021-08-24 19:19:56	phrik	Title: Archiso - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-24 19:21:08	sabasedigh	what is calamerus or something like that???
2021-08-24 19:21:28	grazzolini	susi: there you go: https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commit/207f949363b591eecb42ba4d387d75f727b0d932
2021-08-24 19:22:03	grazzolini	sabasedigh: calamares is an universal installer project made by a bunch of kde developers.
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2021-08-24 19:33:10	defnotHD	I know this isn't *arch specific* but anyone have a pointer for guestmount? I have it just never seems to complete...does it take a long time to mount up?
2021-08-24 19:33:11	jkc	Calamangled.
2021-08-24 19:33:51	defnotHD	I have a qcow2 that was created with qemu-img that I am trying to mount...
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2021-08-24 19:42:22	tirnanog	defnotHD: perhaps try using qemu-nbd instead.
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2021-08-24 19:46:20	Namarrgon	susi: sometimes upstream changes their versioning scheme, too
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2021-08-24 19:59:23	susi	watching systemd-cgtop, I notice user.slice/user-1000.slice/session-2.scope high on tasks, %cpu and mem... how do I examine what is this 'session-2'?
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2021-08-24 20:02:17	bmojsej	Hello, I just installed arch using archinstall and rebooted and it's just blinking cursor
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2021-08-24 20:10:30	susi	hmm I examined it by systemctl status :-) I just don't umderstand the naming, 'session-2'
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2021-08-24 20:10:30	Namarrgon	you mean the "2"?
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2021-08-24 20:10:30	susi	yes
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2021-08-24 20:10:30	susi	there seems to be no session-1, at least not in systemctl status
2021-08-24 20:10:30	Namarrgon	do you use a DM?
2021-08-24 20:10:30	susi	lightdm
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2021-08-24 20:10:30	Namarrgon	then it create another session
2021-08-24 20:10:30	Namarrgon	*created
2021-08-24 20:10:30	Namarrgon	"loginctl list-sessions"
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2021-08-24 20:10:30	susi	1 sessions listed (session 2)
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2021-08-24 20:11:07	Namarrgon	the first one probably went *pooof* when you logged in, or you re-logged at some point, or some other user was logged in
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2021-08-24 20:14:24	Namarrgon	bmojsej: do you see any of the boot messages?
2021-08-24 20:16:35	bmojsej	No
2021-08-24 20:16:37	KingShark	archinstall seems to be a guided / automated arch install project
2021-08-24 20:16:49	Namarrgon	bmojsej: did you install and DM?
2021-08-24 20:17:23	Namarrgon	*any
2021-08-24 20:17:23	bmojsej	not sure what dm is only familiar with dn
2021-08-24 20:17:28	bmojsej	yes i did
2021-08-24 20:17:31	Namarrgon	Display Manager
2021-08-24 20:17:34	bmojsej	kde
2021-08-24 20:17:41	Namarrgon	that's a Desktop Environment
2021-08-24 20:17:52	Namarrgon	SDDM? GDM? lightdm?
2021-08-24 20:18:02	bmojsej	i can't choose that
2021-08-24 20:18:13	Namarrgon	during the install?
2021-08-24 20:18:17	bmojsej	i can't
2021-08-24 20:18:23	bmojsej	only DE/WM
2021-08-24 20:18:39	Namarrgon	remove the 'quiet' kernel parameter and see if you get any more output
2021-08-24 20:18:59	bmojsej	i guess i could install additional packages but i didn't have specific question to pick one of these
2021-08-24 20:18:59	grazzolini	bmojsej: depending on the DE profile you choose a DM might get installed
2021-08-24 20:19:14	bmojsej	i did the install in vm and it was fine
2021-08-24 20:19:24	bmojsej	but on computer it not workey
2021-08-24 20:19:41	KingShark	i dont see anything on the arch install manual how it deals with bootloaders so maybe they installed uefi and he needs legacy mbr..
2021-08-24 20:19:54	bmojsej	yeee
2021-08-24 20:19:57	bmojsej	maybe that
2021-08-24 20:19:59	Namarrgon	it wouldn't boot at all in that case
2021-08-24 20:20:11	bmojsej	well it doesn't boot at all
2021-08-24 20:20:12	Namarrgon	did you boot the iso in uefi mode?
2021-08-24 20:20:21	bmojsej	no, I don't have uefi
2021-08-24 20:20:23	grazzolini	bmojsej: archinstall only supports UEFI at the moment (there's MBR code ready, but not released yet)
2021-08-24 20:20:25	Namarrgon	you get a blinking cursor, that counts as "booting"
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2021-08-24 20:20:36	Namarrgon	bmojsej: do you know what uefi is?
2021-08-24 20:20:41	KingShark	well thats the exact cause of his exact behaviour in this thread so i wouldnt throw it off the table like that https://python-archinstall.readthedocs.io/en/latest/installing/guided.html
2021-08-24 20:20:42	bmojsej	i have an idea
2021-08-24 20:20:42	phrik	Title: Guided installation — python-archinstall v2.0.4 documentation (at python-archinstall.readthedocs.io)
2021-08-24 20:20:51	bmojsej	My computer doesn't have it
2021-08-24 20:20:55	KingShark	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=199660 *
2021-08-24 20:20:56	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] After installation and reboot cursor just keeps blinking / Installation / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-08-24 20:20:57	KingShark	:´)
2021-08-24 20:21:00	Namarrgon	what kind of computer is it?
2021-08-24 20:21:03	bmojsej	t450
2021-08-24 20:21:09	Namarrgon	it has uefi
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2021-08-24 20:21:55	bmojsej	yes it has
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2021-08-24 20:22:44	Namarrgon	boot the iso again and check whether archinstall has created an nvram entry
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2021-08-24 20:24:22	grazzolini	bmojsej: or just run bootctl
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2021-08-24 20:24:30	grazzolini	it'll tell if you're booting into uefi mode or not
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2021-08-24 20:24:44	bmojsej	ok i need some time before I can try it
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2021-08-24 20:25:12	bmojsej	so the plan is boot live usb and type bootctl?
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2021-08-24 20:25:39	Namarrgon	yes
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2021-08-24 20:26:26	grazzolini	bmojsej: bootctl, nvram check, check if efivars is mounted and has content, etc
2021-08-24 20:26:30	grazzolini	many ways to check for UEFI boot
2021-08-24 20:28:07	KingShark	i have many leftover bootloader entries of unused former distros. how could i clean them up? my system boots fine into my current installation but for example when i interrupt system startup and chose the select boot device menu (pre efi / bios level), it lists them all
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2021-08-24 20:28:24	bmojsej	not booted with efi
2021-08-24 20:28:25	KingShark	bootctl shows them all as efi entries
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2021-08-24 20:28:58	bmojsej	haha :D
2021-08-24 20:29:22	grazzolini	KingShark: efibootmgr -B
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2021-08-24 20:30:54	susi	it's nice log of distros and such
2021-08-24 20:31:10	susi	those BootXXXXs
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2021-08-24 20:33:30	KingShark	grazzolini, thanks. two remain. 'Linux Boot Loader' and 'GRUB'. i bet on grub being the current but not 100% sure :D
2021-08-24 20:34:02	grazzolini	KingShark: for bootorder you want -O
2021-08-24 20:34:07	grazzolini	iirc
2021-08-24 20:34:38	KingShark	linux boot manager seems to go first.. ah well whatever i can leave it at two :)
2021-08-24 20:34:41	grazzolini	KingShark: also, efibootmgr shows which one you're currently booted on, you can safely delete the others you want
2021-08-24 20:34:57	bmojsej	do I need mbr?
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2021-08-24 20:35:22	KingShark	grazzolini, -O was delete bootorder :-D oups
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2021-08-24 20:35:36	grazzolini	KingShark: yes, it is to delete bootorder entries
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2021-08-24 20:36:53	KingShark	grazzolini, i am indeed booted into the grub entry. will set it first with -o and delete the other
2021-08-24 20:37:31	grazzolini	KingShark: just keep in mind you might have some other stuff, like dvd, usb, etc boot
2021-08-24 20:37:44	grazzolini	KingShark: you might want to re-add them to the order, if you nuked everything
2021-08-24 20:38:06	susi	KingShark: it shows you Boot Order, efibootmgr -v
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2021-08-24 20:41:03	KingShark	grazzolini, yeah thanks i will add usb at least 
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2021-08-24 20:47:35	KingShark	susi, also if you issue efibootmgr, it has a line on top telling the bootorder 
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2021-08-24 20:47:35	susi	yea, BootCurrent makes it clear whether it's linux boot loader or grub :)
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2021-08-24 20:56:00	KingShark	susi, and bootorder tells me their order. im all set up here now, cleaned out the list xD
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2021-08-24 21:16:40	ℹ 	bin es conocido ahora como gpa
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2021-08-25 18:25:53	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1322 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1322 normals)
2021-08-25 11:27:02	Namarrgon	why are you using both at the same time?
2021-08-25 11:27:26	torwag	Hey Namarrgon, what you mean by using both the same time
2021-08-25 11:27:38	Namarrgon	systemd-resolved and NM
2021-08-25 11:28:33	torwag	Maybe I read that wrong in the wiki, but it seems that this was the way to go. They mentioned NetworkManager works together with systemd-resolved
2021-08-25 11:39:06	_ak_	anyoneelse running into this problem with expac?
2021-08-25 11:39:09	_ak_	error: expac: signature from "Caleb Maclennan <alerque@archlinux.org>" is marginal trust
2021-08-25 11:39:11	_ak_	:: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/expac-10-4-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)).
2021-08-25 11:40:46	Namarrgon	pacman -Q archlinux-keyring
2021-08-25 11:45:57	turlando	Hello everyone. Since a couple of weeks I have this weird issue: I'm running sway and when I try to run certain programs (caja and atril) from the terminal I'm greeted with the error "Could not parse arguments: Cannot open display:"; when I try to run them from dmenu they will open after 10/15 seconds, looking like there is some sort of timeout. I also used to use X11 forwaring through SSH and
2021-08-25 11:45:57	turlando	that stopped working too, complaining that the client 
2021-08-25 11:45:57	turlando	can't find the display
2021-08-25 11:46:42	turlando	It is almost a fresh install, I reinstalled my system less than one month ago and it worked flawlessly at the beginning
2021-08-25 11:47:06	MrElendig	-Q xorg-xwayland
2021-08-25 11:47:54	turlando	MrElendig xorg-xwayland is installed (version 21.1.2-1) (otherwise stuff like firefox wouldnt run IIRC)
2021-08-25 11:48:14	MrElendig	was more for the exact version
2021-08-25 11:50:24	turlando	Also `grep xwayland .config/sway/config' returns nonzero and I'm using the sway version from the repos which should be compiled with xwayland enabled
2021-08-25 11:50:44	_ak_	Namarrgon: ah yes, it's been a good number of months since i've updated
2021-08-25 11:51:05	_ak_	removing expac, updating archlinux-keyring, and reinstalling expac worked :)
2021-08-25 11:51:09	turlando	echo $DISPLAY returns `wayland-1', not sure if it should be `:0' or something similar TBH
2021-08-25 11:51:17	Namarrgon	_ak_: there was no need to remove it
2021-08-25 11:51:53	_ak_	true -- i was running `pacman -Syu', though -- should've just updated the keyring first
2021-08-25 11:53:08	Nixola	hi, I recently bought a new mouse and it feels a bit weird to use; I checked its polling rate using evhz (as the wiki suggests) and it's all over the place
2021-08-25 11:54:53	Nixola	what's perplexing is that the mouse product page reports a 125Hz polling rate, according to lsusb the mouse interface requests a 250Hz polling rate, which it should still be able to sustain because according to debugfs it's a full speed device
2021-08-25 11:56:38	Nixola	the issue is that the usbhid mousepoll kernel option doesn't appear to work, I have no usb 2.0 plugs on my system and I'd rather not disable USB 3 entirely just to try and get this mouse to stick to its advertised 125Hz polling rate
2021-08-25 11:56:41	torwag	@h4rd3n3D seems to be ok 
2021-08-25 11:56:50	th0rne	!give torwag twitter
2021-08-25 11:56:50	phrik	torwag: IRC is not Twitter – don't use "@name" to address people, use "name," or "name:" instead.
2021-08-25 11:57:41	jelle	should update to mention discord :p
2021-08-25 11:57:47	th0rne	!discord
2021-08-25 11:57:47	phrik	discord is not IRC, and IRC users likely don't care about it. Either way, it's not an official support channel.
2021-08-25 11:57:55	torwag	h4rd3n3D: it contains the DNS entries of NetworkManager, should it point to the local cache? 
2021-08-25 11:57:55	th0rne	:)
2021-08-25 11:58:49	jelle	!twitch
2021-08-25 11:58:49	phrik	jelle: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
2021-08-25 12:01:16	_ak_	phrik: sorry for the silly question, i though you were a bot
2021-08-25 12:01:17	phrik	_ak_: The answer is 42.
2021-08-25 12:01:53	th0rne	!turing
2021-08-25 12:01:54	⚡ 	phrik got one step closer to world domination
2021-08-25 12:02:03	_ak_	this is brilliant
2021-08-25 12:03:20	Maik93	hello, I have noticed that the laster Blender release is dependent of opensubdiv>=3.4.4, but this is not stated in the current Blender package (https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/blender/). Should it be stated somewhere? I don't know where to place a comment
2021-08-25 12:04:14	Namarrgon	what is the problem? opesubdiv is 3.4.4-5 in the repos
2021-08-25 12:04:16	Nixola	ok, looks like disabling xHCI isn't an option anyway, as neither my desktop nor my laptop has an EHCI controller
2021-08-25 12:05:15	Namarrgon	Maik93: arch doesn't support partial upgrades, most dependencies are not versioned
2021-08-25 12:05:47	Maik93	Namarrgon: ok, I have missed this
2021-08-25 12:07:03	Namarrgon	Maik93: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_maintenance#Partial_upgrades_are_unsupported
2021-08-25 12:07:05	phrik	Title: System maintenance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-25 12:07:16	alerque	_ak_: Any time it's been a while since you ran `pacman -Syu` it's a good idea to update the keyring by itself first, any updates to packages you install in the batch will not benefit from the keyring update as part of the same batch.
2021-08-25 12:08:19	weltio	does anybody know a tool that polls websites (bugtrackers, github issues, webshops, forums) for changes (esp. like price changes or answers)
2021-08-25 12:08:21	alerque	Running `pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring` first, then donig the full system update is the solution any time you get behind and have packages in the full system update that need new keys to validate.
2021-08-25 12:08:22	low-key	updated the system and rebooted and while none of the updates had anything to do with qt, qutebrowser refuses to boot now
2021-08-25 12:08:37	low-key	https://0x0.st/-tum.log
2021-08-25 12:08:41	_ak_	alerque: noted!
2021-08-25 12:08:48	low-key	get this when i try running it from the terminal
2021-08-25 12:09:29	Nixola	is there literally no way to tell the USB xHCI driver to stick to a 
2021-08-25 12:09:37	Nixola	to a specific polling rate?*
2021-08-25 12:10:04	torwag	Just out of curiosity as this "keyring update first"-thingy seems to hit everyone from time to time. Is there any reason, why pacman could not do this automatically (installing the keyrings first), or propose to do this as an error-message resolution. 
2021-08-25 12:10:13	alerque	weltio: There is a whole family of tools for watching sites for changes, some more suited to ones with good APIs and stable links, others more suited for scraping bits of data.
2021-08-25 12:11:07	alerque	torwag: There used to be a feture to do that but it was removed because it was too buggy and nobody could/would fix it. Theoretically it's possible but it's complicated to do right.
2021-08-25 12:11:54	Namarrgon	low-key: do you export QT_QPA_PLATFORM ?
2021-08-25 12:13:27	low-key	um
2021-08-25 12:13:31	low-key	lemme check
2021-08-25 12:13:42	weltio	alerque: well, that does not really answer my question :D
2021-08-25 12:13:48	low-key	i get wayland when i echo the variable
2021-08-25 12:13:50	weltio	alerque: maybe you can name some of them :D
2021-08-25 12:13:56	low-key	don't remember manually setting it though
2021-08-25 12:13:58	th0rne	weltio❱ If there's an API, you can probably just cron a curl into jq that compares against a file you cat. It's like three lines.
2021-08-25 12:14:09	low-key	okay, i do have it in my .zshenv
2021-08-25 12:14:37	low-key	i've not had any issues with qutebrowser until today though and haven't made any changes related to that variable in a very long time since i don't even remember when and what for i set it
2021-08-25 12:15:03	Namarrgon	is qt5-wayland installed?
2021-08-25 12:16:58	low-key	just checked
2021-08-25 12:16:59	low-key	it wasn't
2021-08-25 12:17:03	th0rne	weltio❱ What's the thing you want to monitor, do you have a link?
2021-08-25 12:17:06	low-key	how did i never run into this issue before though?
2021-08-25 12:19:50	low-key	because installing it did fix it
2021-08-25 12:20:00	low-key	and Namarrgon, thanks :D
2021-08-25 12:29:37	weltio	th0rne: like i said: bug trackers, forums, shops, etc. pp.; examples: amazon.com, aur.archlinux.org/pkgbase/linux, bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123
2021-08-25 12:29:58	weltio	th0rne: something like link + callback would be nice
2021-08-25 12:30:18	weltio	its not hard to implement, but no need to reinvent the wheel i thougt
2021-08-25 12:30:28	weltio	maybe there is something for kde
2021-08-25 12:30:34	weltio	thats why i asked alerque
2021-08-25 12:31:43	th0rne	Ok, sure.
2021-08-25 12:32:15	weltio	th0rne: so do you know something?
2021-08-25 12:33:05	th0rne	No, not multi-purpose like that. If it was just one thing, we could have reinvented the wheel.
2021-08-25 13:16:55	msk	while running 'fakechroot fakeroot debootstrap' on archlinux the following error is seen "tar: error while loading shared libraries: libselinux.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". anybody knows a work around for this ?
2021-08-25 13:18:06	MrElendig	install it?
2021-08-25 13:27:57	msk	MrElendig i need to figure out a way to pass LD_LIBRARY_PATH to fakechroot
2021-08-25 13:31:14	frostwork	msk, -e?
2021-08-25 13:32:07	frostwork	LD_LIBRARY_PATH is literally mentioned in the '-e' manpage description
2021-08-25 13:32:17	msk	aah frostwork will get that a try. thanks for the heads up
2021-08-25 13:32:26	frostwork	np
2021-08-25 13:40:08	deltasquared	hey all, so just looking at my alsa device list for something today and noticed that my (integrated) gpu audio "card", that is the one which has subdevices for the audio streams on my (again integrated gpu) HDMI, displayport etc. outputs, there's one labelled "usbstream" and I haven't the foggiest what this means. I can't for the life of me find any info anywhere on this. archwiki comes up
2021-08-25 13:40:08	deltasquared	empty, 
2021-08-25 13:40:14	deltasquared	google only shows it in listings. any ideas on what else I can do to probe info about it?
2021-08-25 13:42:59	deltasquared	... heck, there's one on my motherboard's audio as well. aplay -L for reference. https://a.uguu.se/ArRmXZF2XL24_aplay_list.txt
2021-08-25 13:43:54	deltasquared	(plenty of web hits for it, but never do they actually seem to be related to any actual question or answer, simply appearing in device listings for debug info like the above.)
2021-08-25 13:49:03	msk	thanks frostwork. that works
2021-08-25 13:49:36	frostwork	nice, msk
2021-08-25 13:53:05	DeathOfASalesman	Hello! I have a small problem with the installation - everything so far went smoothly, and I set up a bootloader (GRUB to be exact!) which detected my Windows 10 installation (located on my SSD, Arch Linux is currently installed on the accompanying HDD). Assuming all is well, I unmounted all disks and restarted my computer. The problem now occurs
2021-08-25 13:53:06	DeathOfASalesman	that Windows has booted directly without the GRUB menu showing up. What can I do? 
2021-08-25 13:53:16	Hello71	!give deltasquared g "usbstream" alsa
2021-08-25 13:53:17	phrik	deltasquared: About alsa-plugins-usbstream for Yum on Linux <https://yum-info.contradodigital.com/view-package/base/alsa-plugins-usbstream/>
2021-08-25 13:53:37	Hello71	DeathOfASalesman: how did you "set up grub"
2021-08-25 13:53:51	DeathOfASalesman	I followed the wiki page.
2021-08-25 13:54:00	DeathOfASalesman	One moment...
2021-08-25 13:54:43	DeathOfASalesman	As I have an older computer, I followed the MBR-Specific instructions on this page: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Master_Boot_Record_(MBR)_specific_instructions
2021-08-25 13:54:44	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-25 13:54:57	DeathOfASalesman	And used this page to set up a configuration file: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Generate_the_main_configuration_file
2021-08-25 13:54:58	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-25 13:55:04	deltasquared	Hello71: that page is entirely unhelpful. like I said, googling has not been forthcoming.
2021-08-25 13:55:10	Hello71	what grub-install command did you run
2021-08-25 13:56:01	Hello71	deltasquared: well standard alsa-lib doesn't come with a "usbstream" device
2021-08-25 13:56:12	Hello71	https://github.com/alsa-project/alsa-plugins/blob/master/usb_stream/98-usb-stream.conf
2021-08-25 13:56:39	DeathOfASalesman	The command is as follows: "grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sdb"
2021-08-25 13:56:56	DeathOfASalesman	Note: sdb is my HDD, not the SSD.
2021-08-25 13:58:01	DeathOfASalesman	However I do see one potential error - it says on the wiki that "The default file path is /boot/grub/grub.cfg, not /boot/grub/i386-pc/grub.cfg". I was not particularly sure of what this meant and had nowhere to ask, so I simply installed it to the default path - I assume this is in error?
2021-08-25 13:58:03	deltasquared	Hello71: I found that file on my system. it just raises more questions, like... if that's the only thing that produces that description string, why the heck is it applying to cards that it would seem it has nothing to do with...
2021-08-25 13:58:11	yamii_	deltasquared: perhaps write a message to the alsa-user ML - https://www.alsa-project.org/wiki/Mailing-lists
2021-08-25 13:58:14	phrik	Title: Mailing-lists - AlsaProject (at www.alsa-project.org)
2021-08-25 13:58:23	Hello71	well that's how the conf is written
2021-08-25 13:58:47	Hello71	DeathOfASalesman: did you configure the boot device in your bios
2021-08-25 13:58:58	DeathOfASalesman	Pardon? 
2021-08-25 13:59:05	DeathOfASalesman	Oh! I assume the HDD must be higher in the boot order?
2021-08-25 13:59:29	Hello71	that sounds like a good idea
2021-08-25 13:59:29	DeathOfASalesman	Well that should be an easy fix. Give me a few minutes.
2021-08-25 13:59:49	DeathOfASalesman	Hopefully I won't be back! Haha. Jokes aside, thank you.
2021-08-25 14:00:05	Hello71	deltasquared: you might as well ask why there's iec958 if your computer doesn't support digital output
2021-08-25 14:00:24	Hello71	or why is there jack, oss, pulse even if they aren't running, etc
2021-08-25 14:00:34	deltasquared	Hello71: I don't understand why the former is a dumb question to ask.
2021-08-25 14:01:14	deltasquared	(it's also not the case here, I actually do have such, but I don't think that's what you were getting at)
2021-08-25 14:03:06	deltasquared	especially given as the former aren't the same as a specific output on a real card.
2021-08-25 14:03:16	weltio	alerque: ?
2021-08-25 14:06:27	Hello71	alsa conf is dumb. you have only one card, so it's not clear, but (with the exception of hdmi) there is normally only one device with each name. even if you have two surround sound outputs, there's only one set of surround* devices
2021-08-25 14:11:41	deltasquared	Hello71: only one card? no, there's two, despite the naming. Generic vs Generic_1. in any case, I'm just going to read the source for lack of any other info (I try to avoid needing to go there though; something has failed if one has to do that). I tried playing to both usbstream devices and got a debug message from pcm_usb_stream.c... only lead I have to explain what the darn thing even is.
2021-08-25 14:12:01	Hello71	er, right
2021-08-25 14:14:10	deltasquared	... reading said source, man this is making less and less sense the more I read, argh
2021-08-25 14:15:55	deltasquared	( assuming this is it, of course, or at least a mirror of it: https://fossies.org/linux/alsa-plugins/usb_stream/pcm_usb_stream.c )
2021-08-25 14:15:57	phrik	Title: ALSA: usb_stream/pcm_usb_stream.c | Fossies (at fossies.org)
2021-08-25 14:20:16	rcf	deltasquared: the USB stuff is pulled in for this codec because it is sometimes paired with a USB HDA controller rather than a PCI one on current motherboards
2021-08-25 14:22:06	deltasquared	rcf: so what, they're just blanket applied? even if the low level calls don't wind up making sense? >_>
2021-08-25 14:22:31	rcf	deltasquared: low-level and not making much sense is a fine description of the follies of ALSA 
2021-08-25 14:23:01	deltasquared	(that also raises a question of why the heck the kernel doesn't handle that and just make it it's own, idk "regular" device... but that's probably beyond fairness to ask here)
2021-08-25 14:23:04	rcf	deltasquared: a lot of this crap was the real cause of pulseaudio's less-than-stellar introduction years ago 
2021-08-25 14:23:25	alerque	weltio: Yes?
2021-08-25 14:24:06	alerque	Sorry I don't have time to do the searches and pull up examples right now.
2021-08-25 14:25:40	deltasquared	rcf, Hello71: thanks for the input, I guess I gotta go process this now, there was a lot of "just why" in there.
2021-08-25 14:25:51	rcf	deltasquared: here I am somewhat reminded of the fact that according to drm some of my old VGA-only laptops are harboring displayport or HDMI outputs that -- to save money -- were never given actual connectors and will never be usable despite appearing to the software side of things 
2021-08-25 14:26:44	cyphertite	alerque: did you manage to get all the package signing key issues cleaned up?
2021-08-25 14:29:58	alerque	cyphertite: As far as I know there aren't any issues. The issue that keeps comming up is a lack of a pacman feature and people need to manually update the keyring package before trying to install anything from the repo that uses new keys. This isn't new, it's just how you're currently supposed to manage updates.
2021-08-25 14:34:43	grawity	rcf: ...USB HDA controller on a motherboard? O_o
2021-08-25 14:35:00	cyphertite	alerque:  sure, that is way it's supposed to be done.  I just cannot remember the details of that nick from a few days ago claiming he/she failed on their first -Syu involving your package, and then somehow -Syu subsequently succeeded.  That 'success' made no sense to me :D
2021-08-25 14:36:23	grawity	ugh, I imaged the HDD in 15 minutes and the ETA for writing the image to an SSD is 1h30
2021-08-25 14:36:51	grawity	(it's a cheap ssd, of course, but still)
2021-08-25 14:36:54	rcf	\o/
2021-08-25 14:37:09	rcf	grawity: AMD TRX40 I think is one such chipset that drops HDA integration. 
2021-08-25 14:37:21	Megunux	Hi guys
2021-08-25 14:37:43	CrustY	Hi there, I'm using archlinux and doing some music-related stuff pretty often. I use KDE and need to quickly listen to different samples in wav/flac formats and it's really painful how it works to me at this moment.
2021-08-25 14:39:07	CrustY	When I use vlc: every time it begins to play it stuttering for 1-2 first seconds, showing buferization process. Whne I use mpv-player it also works not really nice because: it starts new instance every new file I want to check, if I use umpv for listening it only adds new file to the end of the tracklist which also is not really good and I have to do many useless clicks
2021-08-25 14:39:27	CrustY	Maybe somebody knows really convenient way for doing what I need?
2021-08-25 14:39:50	cyphertite	CrustY:  I run KDE, pipewire (not PA) and VLC = no audio issues
2021-08-25 14:40:10	CrustY	I use jack and PA over jack
2021-08-25 14:40:22	CrustY	I'll try to change the audio playback to jack and come back shortly
2021-08-25 14:40:25	SysGhost	I run KDE, PA and VLC. No issues either. 
2021-08-25 14:40:46	cyphertite	SysGhost:  noted ;)
2021-08-25 14:40:46	Megunux	@CrustY You can use nohang or never closing vlc.
2021-08-25 14:41:12	CrustY	funny, I did some changes before but probably they haven't applied immediately and now vlc works smoothly :)
2021-08-25 14:41:16	CrustY	Thanks for the support
2021-08-25 14:42:51	SysGhost	vlc is one of those apps that need to be restarted for even the most banal changes in the settings.
2021-08-25 14:43:42	SysGhost	...and it do leave processes in the background even when the systray "service" has terminated.
2021-08-25 14:44:32	SysGhost	so what I'm trying to say is: change any setting in vlc, kill it and restart. Properly kill it that is. i.e. killall -9 vlc
2021-08-25 14:45:12	ethanrakoff	Hello all. I am having an issue with ip route and wireguard when starting wireguard with systemd. I am using the wg-quick systemd service, and the wireguard conf has routes defined within it. When brought up manually, they work fine. On a fresh boot, ip route shows the routes but they do not work, the traffic gets routed through the vpn.
2021-08-25 14:46:09	MrElendig	ethanrakoff: which network manager are you using?
2021-08-25 14:46:25	MrElendig	also check the metric
2021-08-25 14:47:49	cyphertite	CrustY:  yep, SysGhost approach with VLC is correct, but your safest bet after saving significant app or environment changes is to then fully update, then reboot
2021-08-25 14:48:42	ethanrakoff	MrElendig: systemd-networkd I think?
2021-08-25 14:50:19	MrElendig	ethanrakoff: why not configure it in networkd then?
2021-08-25 15:04:11	ethanrakoff	MrElendig: i think i set it up in systemd, be back if i didn't do it right
2021-08-25 15:28:58	ethanrakoff	MrElendig: just wanted to say thanks, I'm not sure why I didn't think of that, but I had been beating myself over the head with that problem and that worked
2021-08-25 15:58:08	susi	on boot, who's the one asking for my (non-/boot) LUKS password? (the cryptdevice=)
2021-08-25 16:00:06	SysGhost	If the initramfs is loaded unecrypted, it's likely to be cryptsetup that asks for the password, as it's included in the initram image.
2021-08-25 16:00:32	SysGhost	"cryptsetup luksOpen" that is
2021-08-25 16:01:13	turlando	Posting this again since I got no answers: since a couple of weeks I have this weird issue: I'm running sway and when I try to run certain programs (caja and atril, but not mate-terminal) from the terminal I'm greeted with the error "Could not parse arguments: Cannot open display:"; when I try to run them from dmenu they will open after 10/15 seconds, looking like there is some sort of timeout.
2021-08-25 16:01:13	turlando	I also used to use X11 forwaring through SSH and that 
2021-08-25 16:01:13	turlando	stopped working too, complaining that the client can't find the display
2021-08-25 16:01:34	susi	SysGhost: who commands it to do that?
2021-08-25 16:02:02	Namarrgon	turlando: does it work with a clean user account?
2021-08-25 16:02:09	susi	is it actually cryptsetup that asks for the password, or some 'helper'/agent or sumthing?
2021-08-25 16:02:41	Namarrgon	susi: are you using the systemd- or busybox-based initramfs?
2021-08-25 16:03:10	SysGhost	susi: Actually cryptsetup. The init scripts in initramfs checks and calls cryptsetup with the appropriate options and commands.  
2021-08-25 16:03:28	susi	Namarrgon: systemd
2021-08-25 16:04:32	Namarrgon	systemd has a helper binary that does the asking and unlocking
2021-08-25 16:04:41	turlando	Namarrgon no, I didn't, but on #sway people is suggesthing it could be because of this https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki#gtk-applications-take-20-seconds-to-start
2021-08-25 16:07:23	Namarrgon	turlando: have you tested whether that helps?
2021-08-25 16:07:35	Namarrgon	susi: "less /usr/lib/initcpio/install/sd-encrypt"
2021-08-25 16:08:32	turlando	Namarrgon:  I applied the proposed patch on the sway wiki and I solved the timeout issue
2021-08-25 16:09:53	SysGhost	susi: /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-cryptsetup
2021-08-25 16:10:02	SysGhost	...in the init image
2021-08-25 16:10:53	susi	Namarrgon: sorry, actually I do use busybox-style init... encrypt and not sd-encrypt
2021-08-25 16:11:10	Namarrgon	then check the regular 'encrypt' hook
2021-08-25 16:18:50	susi	do you guys think I should set up plymouth
2021-08-25 16:19:01	susi	would it be Progress?
2021-08-25 16:20:26	NetSysFire	plymouth may cause more problems than it solves
2021-08-25 16:21:38	The-Compiler	I'm quite happy with Plymouth, even though it's just eyecandy
2021-08-25 16:23:30	grazzolini	susi: you're using plain cryptsetup then
2021-08-25 16:25:28	grazzolini	susi: if you use systemd based initramfs, then you can use any password agent supported by systemd: https://systemd.io/PASSWORD_AGENTS/
2021-08-25 16:25:29	phrik	Title: Password Agents (at systemd.io)
2021-08-25 16:28:25	susi	when I sudo, and it asks for password, is it `sudo` itself asking for it?
2021-08-25 16:28:41	heat	susi, yes
2021-08-25 16:29:11	heat	the program getting sudo'd can't read your password, don't worry, it's not even running at that point
2021-08-25 16:44:48	susi	I'm trying to make systemd-ask-password and systemd-tty-ask-password-agent to work together
2021-08-25 16:46:53	susi	or trying to understand the whole thing, actually
2021-08-25 16:49:25	susi	what is 'queued password'
2021-08-25 16:51:27	grazzolini	susi: systemd-tty-ask-password is called by systemd-ask-password. systemd itself decides which agent to use.
2021-08-25 16:56:25	John_Ivan	If any wiki maintainer is out there online, I'd like a brief review of my latest changes, from headings 1 to 6. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Gaming
2021-08-25 16:56:26	John_Ivan	thanks.
2021-08-25 16:56:26	phrik	Title: Gaming - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-25 16:57:10	John_Ivan	flyingpig, .
2021-08-25 16:57:40	John_Ivan	I've addressed the style guidelines you've mentioned so far. Thanks for those.
2021-08-25 16:58:51	jelle	John_Ivan: best to ask in the -wiki channels :)
2021-08-25 16:58:56	flyingpig	nice
2021-08-25 16:59:31	susi	even without %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL in sudoers, would polkit.addAdminRule(function(...) { return ["unix-group:wheel"]; }); effectively do the same?
2021-08-25 17:02:19	cmm11	a recent update for nftables changed the systemd service to not flush the rulesets, however not when i do systemctl status ,  i dont see the service as active anymore - https://bpa.st/GN4A
2021-08-25 17:02:20	phrik	Title: View paste GN4A (at bpa.st)
2021-08-25 17:02:54	cmm11	wondering what "nftables.service: Deactivated successfully." means
2021-08-25 17:03:46	cmm11	changes - https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commit/a15ab841ad64a4ee91d2464c39ba2325742a4964#diff-3e341d2d9c67be01819b25b25d5e53ea3cdf3a38d28846cda85a195eb9b7203a
2021-08-25 17:07:27	cmm11	nevermind i understand
2021-08-25 17:09:05	John_Ivan	cmm11, rubber duck debugging at it's finest :)
2021-08-25 17:09:52	grazzolini	susi: that allows anyone on the group wheel to run anything with pkexec *without* asking for password
2021-08-25 17:10:27	cmm11	found my answer on reddit - https://old.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/p3kamz/nftables_deactivating_itself/h8se8z4/
2021-08-25 17:10:28	phrik	Title: grawity comments on nftables deactivating itself (at old.reddit.com)
2021-08-25 17:19:06	mongy	cmm11: yeah it's normal.
2021-08-25 17:27:33	susi	grazzolini: that's default, I think
2021-08-25 17:28:00	susi	(vendor preset file)
2021-08-25 17:44:35	nergar	I'm trying to `pacman -S scdoc` and it is failing with invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)
2021-08-25 17:44:41	nergar	what going on?
2021-08-25 17:45:41	mtn	use -Syu
2021-08-25 17:46:10	nergar	I did, a few times
2021-08-25 17:46:16	nergar	nothing is done
2021-08-25 17:47:01	NetSysFire	did you try reinstalling the archlinux-keyring package?
2021-08-25 17:47:04	mtn	what was the exact command and what was the exact output? I mean using -Syu
2021-08-25 17:48:41	nergar	pacman -Syu outputs core extra and community are up to date and ends with there is nothing to do
2021-08-25 17:49:20	nergar	I'm sorry, I don't have an easy way of pasting the output because I haven't installed X
2021-08-25 17:49:51	nergar	NetSysFire, with `pacman -S archlinux-keyring`?
2021-08-25 17:50:01	NetSysFire	yes
2021-08-25 17:50:39	nergar	ahh
2021-08-25 17:50:41	nergar	that did it
2021-08-25 17:50:46	susi	is it actually a good thing to have that polkit rule allowing all wheelers to pkexec w/o entering a pass?
2021-08-25 17:50:51	nergar	wonder why that happened
2021-08-25 17:51:37	susi	I'd prefer The password to be asked whenever doing administrative tasks 
2021-08-25 17:54:49	grazzolini	susi: not really
2021-08-25 18:06:13	susi	just disabling that isn't enough, restart polkit gives ""FAILED to authenticate to gain authorization for action org..manage-units for ..."
2021-08-25 18:10:51	susi	let's check arch wiki's polkit article
2021-08-25 18:10:54	zbe	susi, "Define administrative users to be the users in the wheel group: <rule you posted>" from https://www.freedesktop.org/software/polkit/docs/latest/polkit.8.html
2021-08-25 18:10:55	phrik	Title: polkit: polkit Reference Manual (at www.freedesktop.org)
2021-08-25 18:22:32	low-key	i'm trying to change the font family name of a font using font forge and while the new name shows up in fc-list after the edit, it also has the original name with the two being separated by a ,
2021-08-25 18:22:57	low-key	how can i make it drop the original name completely and only show the new name?
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2021-08-25 18:42:53	spagoote	is there a way to make "do not disturb" on gnome to be more like on android? right now it doesn't silence notification sounds on telegram, for instance
2021-08-25 18:42:53	mefistofeles	spagoote: probably a question for #gnome, but maybe also it cannot handle correctly Qt apps?
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2021-08-25 18:42:53	spagoote	mefistofeles: sure, i did ask on #gnome but it's a bit quiet there. does it work like that for other apps? i'm new to gnome, usually been using i3 etc
2021-08-25 18:42:53	mefistofeles	spagoote: I don't know, I don't use gnome
2021-08-25 18:42:53	mefistofeles	I was just taking a guess
2021-08-25 18:42:53	spagoote	right, you may be onto something. i'm guessing it's a bit complicated...
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2021-08-25 18:42:53	mefistofeles	spagoote: I use plasma, so now I feel like testing the other way around. Activating the "do not disturb" mode in plasma and check if I get notifications from GTK apps... hmm
2021-08-25 18:42:59	mefistofeles	but not sure which app I could use for that
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2021-08-25 18:50:22	andreas303	Hi folks! I have a question about systemd-networkd and wpa_supplicant in a ramdisk. Is it the responsibility of systemd-networkd or of wpa_supplicant to set the link wlan0 to the state "up"? Which one of these services should be started first?
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2021-08-25 19:04:21	mkoskar	andreas303: 1) wpa_supplicant 2) doesn't matter
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2021-08-25 19:08:47	andreas303	mkoskar: Hmm, OK. Which systemd unit should trigger wpa_supplicant? It seems that mkinitcpio-systemd-tool complains that the service unit sys-subsystem-net-devices-wlan0.device does not exist when I run mkinitcpio. Should I try to include that service unit somehow in my initcpio or is it better to use some other trigger? During the last boot, wpa_supplicant couldn't find the device wlan0 when
2021-08-25 19:08:49	andreas303	running early in the ramdisk, but after entering the debug shell and waiting for a few seconds and restarting wpa_supplicant, it could find wlan0...
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2021-08-25 19:09:55	grazzolini	andreas303: you should've probably have mentioned you're doing this on the early userspace
2021-08-25 19:10:08	grazzolini	andreas303: I suspect you want to be able to remotely unlock you machine?
2021-08-25 19:11:46	Forty-Bot	what does dependency-detected-but-optional mean from namcap?
2021-08-25 19:13:06	Scimmia	it just means that namcap detected that something needs it, but it's listed as an optional dep
2021-08-25 19:13:17	Forty-Bot	ah
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2021-08-25 19:13:47	andreas303	grazzolini: Ah, yes, exactly. Sorry for not mentioning. :)
2021-08-25 19:14:12	grazzolini	andreas303: there's a mkinitcpio-wifi package that simplifies a lot of this stuff
2021-08-25 19:14:26	grazzolini	andreas303: I would personally use iwd for that though
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2021-08-25 19:15:02	andreas303	grazzolini: Yes, I've actually tried to use mkinitcpio-wifi, but that doesn't work with a systemd-ramdisk, only with a non-systemd-ramdisk.
2021-08-25 19:16:04	grazzolini	andreas303: and, you can use the non systemd hooks then. or, build your own. what I can say is, wpa_supplicant probably has to start after systemd-networkd
2021-08-25 19:16:04	andreas303	grazzolini: I think I asked about mkinitcpio-wifi in an archlinux channel some months ago and got such an answer after failing to make it work with systemd-ramdisk...
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2021-08-25 19:19:38	th0rne	Was the arch iso ssh'able into? No, right? Have to allow root login or something?
2021-08-25 19:19:59	grazzolini	th0rne: the ssh config on the iso already allows it, iirc
2021-08-25 19:20:07	th0rne	Oh, great!
2021-08-25 19:20:09	spagoote	mefistofeles: guess you could set a terminal bell to ring on an event? 
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2021-08-25 19:20:52	grazzolini	th0rne: yep, it does: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/archiso/-/blob/master/configs/releng/airootfs/etc/ssh/sshd_config#L32
2021-08-25 19:20:53	phrik	Title: configs/releng/airootfs/etc/ssh/sshd_config · master · Arch Linux / archiso · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2021-08-25 19:21:02	grazzolini	th0rne: you just need a password and start it
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2021-08-25 19:21:55	andreas303	grazzolini: Hmm, OK. The only option to get it working smoothly (without dirty hacks) is to use a non-systemd-ramdisk? :-/ It would be nice to get wpa_supplicant work with systemd-ramdisk and I could maybe put the solution in the wiki if I get it working (while learning something in the process)...
2021-08-25 19:22:10	th0rne	grazzolini❱ Can I edit the iso on the usb stick to achieve that? So I don't need a monitor and keyboard to configure this new machine?
2021-08-25 19:22:28	grazzolini	andreas303: no, I didn't said that. all I'm saying is that you're going to have to put some more work to make it work on a systemd initramfs.
2021-08-25 19:23:08	grazzolini	th0rne: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Archiso#Prepare_a_custom_profile
2021-08-25 19:23:10	phrik	Title: Archiso - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-25 19:23:25	th0rne	Thanks!
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2021-08-25 19:24:14	andreas303	grazzolini: Ah, OK. I am prepared to try, if I get some suggestions about where to start... I suppose that I, to solve it correctly, would have to include sys-subsystem-net-devices-wlan0.device inside the ramdisk, right?
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2021-08-25 19:25:30	Hello71	device units are autogenerated
2021-08-25 19:25:41	nl6720	!give th0rne aw Install Arch Linux via SSH
2021-08-25 19:25:42	phrik	th0rne: Install Arch Linux via SSH - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_via_SSH
2021-08-25 19:26:06	nl6720	that's a better method, though you'll need another usb stick
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2021-08-25 19:26:41	nl6720	I'm talking about "Installation on a headless server" specifically
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2021-08-25 19:28:31	grazzolini	andreas303: those units are managed by systemd. you might need to add an override with an After= for wpa_supplicant to start after systemd-networkd. but here I'm just guessing now, I don't know if that's your actual problem.
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2021-08-25 19:29:03	grazzolini	and I know it's hard to get information from early userpace, which is why I suggest you try stuff first on a VM. if you can passthrough your wifi card, that is.
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2021-08-25 19:32:20	andreas303	grazzolini: I see. OK, I will check the wiki and see if I can gain some deeper understanding.
2021-08-25 19:33:54	grazzolini	andreas303: what can help you to diagnose is to start the emergency shell and poke around. on non-systemd you have break=premount
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2021-08-25 19:35:47	nl6720	and on systemd-based initramfs you have nothing, because the root account is locked anyway :(
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2021-08-25 19:39:43	grazzolini	nl6720: but you always could have base on it too
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2021-08-25 19:40:03	grazzolini	but yeah, it sucks to troubleshoot early userspace
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2021-08-25 19:40:30	nl6720	base wont help since root is locked in /etc/shadow
2021-08-25 19:40:52	grazzolini	nl6720: right, I think there's a hook from aur that unlocks it
2021-08-25 19:40:53	grazzolini	iirc
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2021-08-25 19:42:17	nl6720	possibly. after that security feature was added, I just don't use rd.rescue anymore
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2021-08-25 19:43:09	grazzolini	nl6720: I need to start using systemd enabled initramfs on more places. right now I have it only on one machine
2021-08-25 19:44:04	nl6720	I'm of the opinion that non-systemd based initamfs should be deprecated
2021-08-25 19:44:27	andreas303	grazzolini: I have used the debug-shell that comes with mkinitcpio-systemd-tool poking around to gain some understanding. My setup is a ramdisk based on mkinitcpio-systemd-tool (I like that concept), with wpa_supplicant and dropbear. It actually works with the dirty hack of preprending wpa_supplicant with "sleep 5", but now I also want to add a custom service "duckdns.service" that updates the
2021-08-25 19:44:29	andreas303	duckdns-record when the remote computer gets allocated a new public ip address by invoking curl on www.duckdns.org, and I want to put duckdns.service in the ramdisk so that I can always access the remote computer by its domain name instead of a possibly changing public ip address. The problem is that duckdns.service fails because it seems to start before systemd-networkd, systemd-resolved and
2021-08-25 19:44:32	andreas303	wpa_supplicant even though I specify Requires= and After= in duckdns.service, so curl can't lookup the domain name. I thought that my solution to this problem was to understand the ordering of systemd units in the ramdisk, clean up the dirty "sleep 5"-hack for wpa_supplicant and then figure out how, and on which dependencies, to include in the duckdns.service so that it waits for all of
2021-08-25 19:44:33	andreas303	systemd-networkd, systemd-resolved and wpa_supplicant before duckdns.service starts.
2021-08-25 19:45:50	grazzolini	andreas303: I used to use this kind of service, but I switched to using tor hidden service for this. I even have a hook on the AUR for that.
2021-08-25 19:50:54	andreas303	There is a thread about my problem here, https://github.com/random-archer/mkinitcpio-systemd-tool/issues/27, but it still seems to rely on the hack "sleep 5" without proper systemd ordering.
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2021-08-25 19:50:54	andreas303	grazzolini: Oh, I see. Did you use such a service in the initramfs in the "normal ... phase"?
2021-08-25 19:50:54	grazzolini	andreas303: what you mean by "normal" phase?
2021-08-25 19:50:54	grazzolini	andreas303: I'm talking about: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mkinitcpio-tor/
2021-08-25 19:50:54	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - mkinitcpio-tor (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-25 19:50:54	andreas303	grazzolini: I mean, outside the initramfs. I don't know what the name of the "phase" when you get to a login prompt? "late userspace"?
2021-08-25 19:50:54	Mysterytrain	cd
2021-08-25 19:50:54	grazzolini	andreas303: just userspace.
2021-08-25 19:50:54	grazzolini	andreas303: this hook will take whatever conf you have on userspace and add it to the initramfs. so, what I do is, I have a hidden service for ssh on my tor config and that gets copied to the initramfs.
2021-08-25 19:50:54	andreas303	grazzolini: Ah, OK. I will look at your aur package, even though it's not adapted to a systemd initramfs...
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2021-08-25 19:51:29	grazzolini	andreas303: it is though: https://github.com/grazzolini/mkinitcpio-tor/blob/master/tor_install#L30
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2021-08-25 20:30:13	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1321 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1321 normals)
2021-08-25 20:30:15	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-25 20:43:30	th0rne	But I still need to make a custom iso, or does the stock iso have cloud init?
2021-08-25 20:43:42	evilpyro	Hello! I'm using rEFInd as my bootloader for a dual boot (arch and win10). I'd like to set up a command to quickly reboot into win10 when I'm in arch, does anyone know if this is possible?
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2021-08-25 20:45:32	nl6720	th0rne: there's cloud-init in the stock iso
2021-08-25 20:45:39	th0rne	Oh shit, nice! Thanks.
2021-08-25 20:48:27	electrohead	cloud-init gave me issues once, and found out that putting "cloud-init=disabled" within the kernel command line stopped it from loading - just to put that out there, if you run into any issues whatsoever
2021-08-25 20:48:31	gendish	Hey everyone! Have been away from linux a couple of years. Was rolling with slackware before. Been working with mac computers for like 8 years and been taking care of my freebsd-server at home. But I just wanna say that arch was (is) a nice ride when I installed it today, first encounter ever! I'm up and running with weechat through ZNC and got some games going. Its nice af! Just wanted to share
2021-08-25 20:48:33	gendish	my experience with you. Fonts a bitch though, a lot of choices. :>
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2021-08-25 20:49:12	electrohead	gendish: arch will grow on you, just a warning
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2021-08-25 20:52:02	th0rne	Deja Vu Sans Mono is enough.
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2021-08-25 20:52:23	gendish	electrohead: bet it will! probably got more things todo when i start using it but it's going well rn
2021-08-25 20:52:50	electrohead	I've been using arch for .. many years
2021-08-25 20:52:58	electrohead	and it's the only distro I use, anymore
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2021-08-25 20:54:37	gendish	what's the best thing(s) about it?
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2021-08-25 20:54:52	th0rne	This one is good: aur/nerd-fonts-dejavu-complete
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2021-08-25 20:56:01	gendish	th0rne: ill check it out :D
2021-08-25 20:57:09	electrohead	and one more font recommendation - ttf-dejavu-sans-mono-powerline-git
2021-08-25 20:57:25	electrohead	so that certain symbols and whatnot can display properly, in my vim config(s)
2021-08-25 20:58:47	electrohead	gendish: what's the best about arch? well honestly, I have chosen to use it, primarily because it's a base system, no bloat whatsoever, when first installed, and can be built up however (you) like. surely, there are other distros out there like that, but.. I've just grown to like arch, in general
2021-08-25 20:59:01	grazzolini	gendish: start here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux
2021-08-25 20:59:02	th0rne	I could be wrong, but I think they're solving the same issue - you don't need powerline fonts with nerd fonts.
2021-08-25 20:59:02	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-25 20:59:11	electrohead	the packaging system is nice, too. makepkg is very straight forward
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2021-08-25 20:59:23	gendish	dont judge me but i installed a macos theme on gnome. feels familiar
2021-08-25 20:59:30	electrohead	heh
2021-08-25 20:59:36	gendish	grazzolini: been reading all day
2021-08-25 20:59:46	electrohead	th0rne: oh? ok cool, thanks, will check that out then
2021-08-25 21:00:03	th0rne	I mean if all your fonts work then don't change anything. (:
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2021-08-25 21:00:37	grazzolini	gendish: then go to this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_compared_to_other_distributions#Slackware
2021-08-25 21:00:38	phrik	Title: Arch compared to other distributions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-25 21:00:48	grazzolini	gendish: and this one is essential: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Rosetta
2021-08-25 21:00:49	phrik	Title: pacman/Rosetta - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-25 21:01:17	gendish	grazzolini: i was just asking electroheads opinion. i know whats differ slack from arch on a theoretical level
2021-08-25 21:01:58	gendish	but now im gonna try it out for a while and see if its as good as i think
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2021-08-25 21:02:09	grazzolini	gendish: sure. the real truth is
2021-08-25 21:02:12	grazzolini	!give gendish as
2021-08-25 21:02:13	phrik	gendish: Arch Sucks™
2021-08-25 21:02:49	gendish	llamas ass
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2021-08-25 21:03:36	electrohead	lol, yeah arch sucks so bad
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2021-08-25 21:04:33	gendish	the hardware support suprised me and how easy it was to install drivers for the gpu
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2021-08-25 21:06:13	th0rne	I think the most surprising thing was that you can just play Windows only games with Proton and the ones I tried more or less just worked.
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2021-08-25 21:06:42	MrElendig	extept that steam is semi-broken atm
2021-08-25 21:06:48	th0rne	Yeah?
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2021-08-25 21:07:04	th0rne	Well, there's also Lutris.
2021-08-25 21:07:05	MrElendig	steam runtime is broken af currently
2021-08-25 21:07:09	gendish	i've tried f1 2020, csgo and wow. worked as it should
2021-08-25 21:07:18	◣	jinsun (~quassel@user/jinsun) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2021-08-25 21:07:20	th0rne	Csgo is linux native afaik.
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2021-08-25 21:07:33	MrElendig	due to new freetype in arch
2021-08-25 21:07:54	gendish	yeah i saw that and that is the game i mostly play :D
2021-08-25 21:08:00	th0rne	:)
2021-08-25 21:08:06	MrElendig	https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/7935
2021-08-25 21:08:15	th0rne	Dota also, Valve likes Linux, I guess.
2021-08-25 21:08:48	MrElendig	anything built on source(2) is native basically
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2021-08-25 21:09:20	gendish	and i plugged in my ps4 (freebsd) next to the arch desktop. feels good :D
2021-08-25 21:09:33	teraflops	lutis + proton works great too
2021-08-25 21:09:37	teraflops	lutris
2021-08-25 21:09:43	th0rne	Ps4 runs freebsd?
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2021-08-25 21:10:02	gendish	im pretty sure it is
2021-08-25 21:10:08	th0rne	I didn't know that.
2021-08-25 21:10:10	gendish	without googling :D
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2021-08-25 21:11:43	earnestly	hdmi cables run freebsd (hdpc)
2021-08-25 21:12:13	ℹ 	docmax__ es conocido ahora como docmax
2021-08-25 21:12:41	gendish	didnt know that earnestly 
2021-08-25 21:13:23	grazzolini	MrElendig: they are working to fix that, steam-runtime should work again soon
2021-08-25 21:13:31	grazzolini	steam-native is working just fine in the mean time
2021-08-25 21:13:33	◣	jess (~jess@libera/staff/jess) ha salido
2021-08-25 21:13:37	MrElendig	grazzolini: I know, still broken for weeks though
2021-08-25 21:13:49	MrElendig	grazzolini: except that most of the games I play don't run in native :p
2021-08-25 21:14:03	MrElendig	that is of course a slight problem
2021-08-25 21:14:06	grazzolini	MrElendig: really? everything I play do
2021-08-25 21:14:10	grazzolini	that's weird
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2021-08-26 18:20:43	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1315 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1315 normals)
2021-08-26 12:40:38	susi	impossible if I want to keep other fingers on their home row positions
2021-08-26 12:41:15	thrice	anyway, like, you said, it doesn't matter what I think about your idea :)  I don't know how, nor think it's possible.  I'd guess this has to be done on the toolkit level, but not sure
2021-08-26 12:44:26	susi	maybe I need to implement my own device driver
2021-08-26 12:44:30	susi	:))
2021-08-26 12:44:41	thrice	or work on stretching your pinky
2021-08-26 12:45:47	susi	it reaches shift yes, but it requires the palm to switch form, or something
2021-08-26 12:46:06	susi	it's just not pleasant to do, and you just can't make it anymore pleasant or efficient
2021-08-26 12:46:40	Mysterytrain	stop using capitals ;)
2021-08-26 12:47:10	susi	when I press shift with pinky, the other fingers move one step to the left, otherwise I'd need to straighten all the fingers
2021-08-26 12:47:30	susi	Mysterytrain: you need them with vim
2021-08-26 12:47:51	grawity	normally letters are input on key press, not on release, so this seems like it would need some hacks
2021-08-26 12:48:42	susi	it could yield it on press, just like repeat happens after set repeat delay (that can be altered with kbdrate)
2021-08-26 12:49:10	grawity	yeah but by that time, the lowercase letter would have already been inserted
2021-08-26 12:49:29	grawity	a) build something with interception-tools to suppress the original "key press" event, and to re-emit it either when the "long press" threshold is reached or when the physical key is released
2021-08-26 12:49:30	susi	oh right, good point :)
2021-08-26 12:50:08	grawity	b) build something with interception-tools (or some X11 equivalent of autohotkey?) to emit a <Backspace> plus uppercase letter when the key is held
2021-08-26 12:50:36	susi	thanks, I'll look into interception tools
2021-08-26 12:51:35	mateuslira	can someone help me?
2021-08-26 12:51:41	grawity	if you choose a) enjoy the typing lag, if you choose b) you'll still need to use Shift for certain prompts that expect exactly one letter
2021-08-26 12:51:44	thrice	!welcome
2021-08-26 12:51:44	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2021-08-26 12:51:55	mateuslira	I'm new to arch linux, I'm trying to enter a command to install a driver 
2021-08-26 12:51:58	mateuslira	this is happening
2021-08-26 12:52:03	mateuslira	make -C /usr/lib/modules/5.13.10-arch1-1/build M=/home/mateus/useful/akvcam/src  modules
2021-08-26 12:52:05	mateuslira	make[1]: *** /usr/lib/modules/5.13.10-arch1-1/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
2021-08-26 12:52:07	mateuslira	make: *** [Makefile:44: all] Error 2
2021-08-26 12:52:07	grawity	c) in theory, an input method (like ibus/fcitx/etc) could handle arbitrary transformations in the preedit
2021-08-26 12:52:19	grawity	but writing one would probably be a pain
2021-08-26 12:52:58	Namarrgon	mateuslira: is there no PKGBUILD in the AUR for this driver? Did install the kernel headers?
2021-08-26 12:53:05	grazzolini	mateuslira: pacman -Q linux ; uname -r
2021-08-26 12:53:05	Namarrgon	+you
2021-08-26 12:53:22	grazzolini	Namarrgon: there's an AUR package for akvcam, yes
2021-08-26 12:53:42	mateuslira	so I can just type yay -S akvcam and it just works?
2021-08-26 12:53:43	grawity	honestly it seems to me like "capital on delay" kinda defeats the point of the whole "home row" touch typing thing
2021-08-26 12:54:01	susi	how?
2021-08-26 12:54:06	Namarrgon	mateuslira: no, you still need to answer the other questions but the PKGBUILD will make it easier to maintain the driver
2021-08-26 12:54:23	mateuslira	oook 
2021-08-26 12:54:25	grazzolini	mateuslira: it's akvcam-dkms, the name of the package
2021-08-26 12:54:49	grazzolini	mateuslira: however, you still haven't replied to my previous question. can you run those commands?
2021-08-26 12:55:35	mateuslira	☁  ~  pacman -Q linux ; uname -r
2021-08-26 12:55:36	mateuslira	linux 5.13.10.arch1-1
2021-08-26 12:55:38	mateuslira	5.13.10-arch1-1
2021-08-26 12:56:02	thrice	those headers may be gone from the repos, though
2021-08-26 12:56:22	mateuslira	yay -S akvcam-dkms returns ==> Unable to install module akvcam/1.2.1 for kernel 5.13.12-arch1-1: Missing kernel modules tree.
2021-08-26 12:56:39	thrice	yeah, you may need to -Syu, reboot, and try again
2021-08-26 12:56:45	mateuslira	Okay
2021-08-26 12:56:46	mateuslira	thanks!
2021-08-26 12:57:11	susi	grawity: why would it defeat the point of home row typing? :O
2021-08-26 12:57:27	Namarrgon	mateuslira: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dynamic_Kernel_Module_Support#Installation
2021-08-26 12:57:29	phrik	Title: Dynamic Kernel Module Support - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-26 12:58:00	mateuslira	I'll read that, thanks you very much 
2021-08-26 13:07:56	th0rne	Is there some markdown editor that accepts text with links in it as pastes, if you get what I mean?
2021-08-26 13:36:10	Thaodan	Hey I tried to enable cpu and cpuset cgroup for my user in systemd but it does not work. I followed the guide in Arch Wiki to set it up. Is there something else that I need to do then mentioned there? 
2021-08-26 13:36:30	Thaodan	!wiki Cgroups
2021-08-26 13:36:30	phrik	Thaodan: Is that a question?
2021-08-26 13:38:12	Thaodan	!alw Cgroups
2021-08-26 13:38:12	phrik	Thaodan: Cgroups - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Cgroups
2021-08-26 13:39:35	Thaodan	For example systemd-run --user -p AllowedCPUs=0 nproc returns all cpus where sudo systemd-run  -p AllowedCPUs=0 nproc returns 1 as it should.
2021-08-26 13:42:43	grawity	I'm not sure if unprivileged users can enable controllers, so I'll guess that at minimum you'll need user@.service to have CPU accounting enabled etc
2021-08-26 13:43:00	grawity	er, not user@.service but user-xxx.slice I guess?
2021-08-26 13:43:09	grawity	can't remember how it works with cgroup v2
2021-08-26 13:46:09	MacGyver	I don't recall having to change anything except turning v1 off.
2021-08-26 13:46:30	MacGyver	I'll check, give me a minute.
2021-08-26 13:47:29	jancoow	ugh; yesterday I updated my system. Now sometimes if I lock my screen, and want to re-login, i see a blinking cursor top left and after 30 seconds redirected back to login screen. After that gnome restarts and all programs are closed.....
2021-08-26 13:48:44	Thaodan	jancoow: Try journalctl -f while doing it on another term to see what happens 
2021-08-26 13:49:40	jancoow	Thaodan sec, I'm posting the dumped core
2021-08-26 13:49:45	MacGyver	Thaodan: Ah, you may need to turn delegation on.
2021-08-26 13:50:43	MacGyver	Thaodan: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Cgroups#User_delegation <-- those steps.
2021-08-26 13:50:45	phrik	Title: cgroups - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-26 13:50:59	MacGyver	Otherwise AllowedCPUs won't work.
2021-08-26 13:51:01	Thaodan	MacGyver: I did Delegate=yes in /etc/systemd/system/user@1000.service.d/override.conf
2021-08-26 13:51:07	Thaodan	that's what I did
2021-08-26 13:51:27	MacGyver	And did you make sure the user-service was then restarted?
2021-08-26 13:51:33	Thaodan	yes
2021-08-26 13:51:51	MacGyver	Well then that should be sufficient.
2021-08-26 13:52:15	MacGyver	So double-check whether it's actually reading the override and you haven't made any (capitalization) mistakes in it.
2021-08-26 13:54:02	jancoow	Thaodan https://pastebin.com/raw/RxiH1Ysk
2021-08-26 13:55:43	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-t_C.txt
2021-08-26 13:57:47	jancoow	why
2021-08-26 14:05:41	Thaodan	MacGyver: It works but once my session is loaded (Plasma X11) it doesn't work anymore 
2021-08-26 14:06:26	Thaodan	jancoow: Did you try to disable all gnome shell extensions?
2021-08-26 14:19:35	CyberShadow	Kolourpaint can't open files, prints this to stderr: kf.kio.core: couldn't create slave: "klauncher said: Could not find the '/usr/lib/qt/plugins/kf5/kio/file.so' plugin.\n"
2021-08-26 14:19:54	CyberShadow	I see that file was previously provided by kio, but now it's gone
2021-08-26 14:22:27	Namarrgon	pacman -Q kio kolourpaint
2021-08-26 14:22:47	CyberShadow	kio 5.85.0-1 / kolourpaint 21.08.0-1
2021-08-26 14:23:00	CyberShadow	Ah, now it's kio_file.so
2021-08-26 14:23:12	thrice	have you restarted kde since updating stuff?
2021-08-26 14:23:20	CyberShadow	Not running KDE
2021-08-26 14:23:34	thrice	ah
2021-08-26 14:23:59	CyberShadow	Good line of though though - killed klauncher, now it works, thanks :D
2021-08-26 14:24:45	thrice	I'll take half a cookie
2021-08-26 14:24:49	thrice	not full
2021-08-26 14:25:40	jancoow	Thaodan is that the issue?
2021-08-26 14:25:44	jancoow	after a screenlock?
2021-08-26 14:25:48	jancoow	i didnt update the extentions 
2021-08-26 14:26:33	Namarrgon	disable all extensions and try again
2021-08-26 14:29:52	Thaodan	GNOME Shell extensions can crash the whole things that's why I suggested it
2021-08-26 14:36:54	jamesp	When I try to install steam by doing 'sudo pacman -S steam' it says 'error: target not found: steam' even though steam is CLEARLY in the arch repo: https://archlinux.org/packages/multilib/x86_64/steam/
2021-08-26 14:36:57	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - steam 1.0.0.71-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2021-08-26 14:37:09	Namarrgon	!aw multilib
2021-08-26 14:37:11	phrik	Namarrgon: Multilib - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Multilib
2021-08-26 14:37:30	Namarrgon	the [multilib] repo is not enabled out of the box
2021-08-26 14:38:08	uncomfyhalomacro	edit your pacman config so u can install steam
2021-08-26 14:38:13	jamesp	okay
2021-08-26 14:38:45	uncomfyhalomacro	i have played csgo and dota there, it works, but u also need to do some stuff for gpu if you are using one
2021-08-26 14:42:24	th0rne	"Do some stuff"?
2021-08-26 14:43:08	jamesp	I uncommented multilib it says "warning: database file for 'multilib' does not exist (use '-Sy' to download)" and gives me the same "error: target not found: steam"
2021-08-26 14:43:32	Tom^	jamesp: pacman -Syu steam
2021-08-26 14:43:48	jamesp	what do y and u mean?
2021-08-26 14:44:12	uncomfyhalomacro	force refresh your db
2021-08-26 14:44:21	grazzolini	jamesp: just run pacman -Syu steam
2021-08-26 14:44:26	uncomfyhalomacro	since u also have added multilib as well
2021-08-26 14:44:27	Tom^	jamesp: man pacman or https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/pacman#Upgrading_packages
2021-08-26 14:44:28	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-26 14:50:05	jamesp	Steam is installed!
2021-08-26 14:50:53	thrice	!panic
2021-08-26 14:50:54	phrik	http://eured.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/oh-noes-everybody-panic.gif
2021-08-26 15:10:37	th0rne	Is this (entire example) really correct? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#Configuring_fstab_and_crypttab
2021-08-26 15:10:38	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Encrypting an entire system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-26 15:11:25	th0rne	Doesn't one need to also include the uuid's or whatever for the swap and home partitions somewhere, or how does it work? Is just root enough?
2021-08-26 15:12:27	th0rne	Or are they somehow magically discovered because they're in the lvm?
2021-08-26 15:13:09	th0rne	I've previously always done lvm on luks, but am now trying to do luks on lvm, so it's new to me.
2021-08-26 15:17:11	th0rne	Or is there point here that it relies on this "persistent block device naming" instead of using uuids in fstab?
2021-08-26 15:20:07	rcf	th0rne: /dev/mapper is for lvm, the /dev/sda1 is indeed suspect. 
2021-08-26 15:21:33	rcf	Persistent block device naming is explicitly when you don't use /dev/sda1 or whatever 
2021-08-26 15:21:43	rcf	As those sorts of names are never guaranteed to be consistent 
2021-08-26 15:22:26	brutser	very unfamiliar with archlinux, but i found a solution for exactly my problem, only the guy fixes it for archlinux. is there anyone that can help me get these commands 'translated' to debian format?
2021-08-26 15:22:47	thrice	what commands
2021-08-26 15:23:07	brutser	sudo pacman -S perl --overwrite=''
2021-08-26 15:23:18	brutser	yay -S obmenu-generator --overwrite=''
2021-08-26 15:23:21	brutser	those ^
2021-08-26 15:23:33	thrice	oh, you are not runnning arch?  Then no
2021-08-26 15:23:37	thrice	ask debian people for support
2021-08-26 15:23:46	thrice	that command just reinstalls packages
2021-08-26 15:23:55	thrice	and ignores if the files exist on the file system
2021-08-26 15:24:08	jelle	!give brutser wiki pacman rosetta
2021-08-26 15:24:08	thrice	so, just reinstall using apt?
2021-08-26 15:24:08	th0rne	!reinstall
2021-08-26 15:24:08	phrik	brutser: Say what?
2021-08-26 15:24:10	phrik	a reinstall isn't a solution to your problem, period.
2021-08-26 15:24:13	jelle	!give brutser aw pacman rosetta
2021-08-26 15:24:15	phrik	brutser: Pacman rosetta - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman_rosetta
2021-08-26 15:24:46	th0rne	rcf❱ So all the partitions not in mapper require uuids?
2021-08-26 15:25:15	rcf	Or labels or however you want to do it. 
2021-08-26 15:25:54	rcf	I would say 'require', just that it is usually advisable just in case 
2021-08-26 15:26:00	brutser	https://forum.archlabslinux.com/t/obmenu-generator-problem/4670
2021-08-26 15:26:02	phrik	Title: Obmenu-generator problem - Basic Help & Support - ArchLabs Linux (at forum.archlabslinux.com)
2021-08-26 15:26:10	brutser	i have the exact same issue on debian, that's why
2021-08-26 15:27:01	jelle	brutser: but deiban probably does not have 0.88
2021-08-26 15:27:05	grazzolini	brutser: except archlabs isn't even Arch
2021-08-26 15:27:08	grazzolini	geez
2021-08-26 15:27:18	jelle	grazzolini: no, it's about debian :D
2021-08-26 15:27:26	grazzolini	jelle: I know
2021-08-26 15:27:37	thrice	again, it's just reinstalling packages
2021-08-26 15:27:39	Namarrgon	that "solution" is rather risky, you should talk to your distro's support before you go and clobber files for no good  reason
2021-08-26 15:27:50	grazzolini	but he's looking for a solution he *thinks* works on Arch, asking on an Arch group, for help with debian
2021-08-26 15:28:06	jelle	uhu, this has been repeated by multiple people :)
2021-08-26 15:28:15	brutser	I installed with same script i made for debian buster, but now with bullseye it give that exact error as in the post
2021-08-26 15:28:33	Scimmia	!give brutser notarch
2021-08-26 15:28:34	phrik	brutser: This channel is for Arch Linux support only. Also see https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/service-agreements/-/blob/master/code-of-conduct.md#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2021-08-26 15:28:42	th0rne	ArchLabs is not supported, Debian is not supported, and yay is not supported on this channel.
2021-08-26 15:28:52	brutser	ok..
2021-08-26 15:28:59	jelle	brutser: report an issue @ obmenu-generator
2021-08-26 15:38:21	th0rne	Is this 'swap/dev/MyVolGroup/cryptswap/dev/urandomswap,cipher=aes-xts-plain64,size=256' in /etc/crypttab and '/dev/mapper/swap        none    swap            sw              0       0' in /etc/fstab really enough? Then swap will somehow get mounted or whatever?
2021-08-26 15:38:33	th0rne	Sry, it ate the tabs.
2021-08-26 15:38:43	th0rne	But it's from here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#Configuring_fstab_and_crypttab
2021-08-26 15:38:44	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Encrypting an entire system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-26 15:39:21	Scimmia	try it and see
2021-08-26 16:30:21	Tom^	anyone got the time to tell me what the default cat /proc/sys/kernel/printk , output is? i think my compiled kernel has it wrong, so gonna set it in sysctl
2021-08-26 16:31:21	mpan	In my case it is “1 4 1 4” (5.13.6-arch1-1), whatever that means.
2021-08-26 16:31:26	Hello71	why don't you just fix your kernel config
2021-08-26 16:31:42	aminvakil	mine is "3       4       1       4" (5.12.19-hardened1-1-hardened)
2021-08-26 16:31:50	Tom^	Hello71: well i got to know what the "default" is first lol
2021-08-26 16:32:01	Tom^	mpan: thanks sir.
2021-08-26 16:32:25	Tom^	mpan: you dont have quiet in your cmdline tho?
2021-08-26 16:33:35	The-Compiler	"3 4 1 4" too, on 5.13.7-arch1-1
2021-08-26 16:34:08	thrice	1414
2021-08-26 16:34:11	Hello71	grep -A10 CONSOLE_LOGLEVEL_DEFAULT **/Kconfig*
2021-08-26 16:34:14	thrice	:o
2021-08-26 16:34:25	Hello71	lib/Kconfig.debug-      default "7"
2021-08-26 16:34:35	Tom^	hrm
2021-08-26 16:34:47	thrice	on stock 5.13.12
2021-08-26 16:34:53	mpan	Tom^: indeed I do.
2021-08-26 16:34:57	Hello71	!man 2 syslog
2021-08-26 16:34:58	phrik	Hello71: https://man.archlinux.org/man/2#SYSLOG
2021-08-26 16:35:02	Hello71	...
2021-08-26 16:35:07	Hello71	!man syslog(2)
2021-08-26 16:35:08	phrik	Hello71: https://man.archlinux.org/man/syslog%282%29#
2021-08-26 16:35:22	Hello71	!man syslog.2
2021-08-26 16:35:24	phrik	Hello71: https://man.archlinux.org/man/syslog.2#
2021-08-26 16:35:31	Hello71	yes, that one
2021-08-26 16:40:09	Tom^	yeah so my config level is set a bit verbose then
2021-08-26 16:40:40	Tom^	getting a few annoying messages i dont recall seeing on stock kernel, and spilling over to my cute /etc/issue, thanks.
2021-08-26 16:43:16	Tom^	7 4 1 7 , fyi. :p
2021-08-26 17:03:08	susi	4 4 1 4
2021-08-26 17:04:58	susi	!man syslog.2
2021-08-26 17:04:59	phrik	susi: https://man.archlinux.org/man/syslog.2#
2021-08-26 17:05:09	susi	oops, was in the backlogs
2021-08-26 17:21:38	bebop	I'm getting "filter failed" in my localhost:631 when printing. I'm using same exact drivers as my mac machine which works on printing to this remote print server
2021-08-26 17:25:19	thursdaylark	bebop: been through this section yet? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/CUPS/Troubleshooting#CUPS:_%22Filter_failed%22
2021-08-26 17:25:20	phrik	Title: CUPS/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-26 17:26:02	bebop	thursdaylark: unfortuneatly yes
2021-08-26 17:26:14	thursdaylark	can you post your cups log to a paste service?
2021-08-26 17:26:18	thursdaylark	!paste
2021-08-26 17:26:19	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-26 17:26:29	bebop	server log or client log
2021-08-26 17:27:10	thursdaylark	the top of the section says that the reason for filter failed will be in /var/lob/cups/error_log, so that one.
2021-08-26 17:28:25	bebop	returns nothing
2021-08-26 17:28:37	bebop	probably the server error log ?
2021-08-26 17:28:45	thursdaylark	that file is empty?
2021-08-26 17:28:49	bebop	yes
2021-08-26 17:29:05	thursdaylark	no other files in /var/lob/cups/ ?
2021-08-26 17:29:11	bebop	ahh
2021-08-26 17:29:18	bebop	have.... error.log.1
2021-08-26 17:29:24	thursdaylark	*/var/log/cups/
2021-08-26 17:29:29	thursdaylark	ahh, let's see it, then :D
2021-08-26 17:30:12	bebop	https://bpa.st/4NHQ
2021-08-26 17:30:13	phrik	Title: View paste 4NHQ (at bpa.st)
2021-08-26 17:33:04	bebop	on my mac machine it works perfectly using same exact print drivers
2021-08-26 17:33:21	bebop	it is a network printer too btw
2021-08-26 17:34:27	thursdaylark	beelzebuzz: "D [20/Aug/2021:20:51:40 -0600] [Job 23] sh: line 1: hpijs: command not found
2021-08-26 17:34:29	thursdaylark	D [20/Aug/2021:20:51:40 -0600] [Job 23] GPL Ghostscript 9.54.0: Can\'t start ijs server \"hpijs\"
2021-08-26 17:34:38	thursdaylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/CUPS/Printer-specific_problems#HPLIP
2021-08-26 17:34:39	phrik	Title: CUPS/Printer-specific problems - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-26 17:34:56	thursdaylark	you'll have to change your printer driver configuration
2021-08-26 17:35:49	thursdaylark	actually, if I'm reading this correctly, you'll actually have to change from using the hplip driver to the hpcups driver instead
2021-08-26 17:35:59	bebop	oddly my m1 is using the exact setup but it is working
2021-08-26 17:36:11	bebop	I'll try this page you pasted
2021-08-26 17:36:20	thursdaylark	well, how new is hplip v3.17.11?
2021-08-26 17:36:28	bebop	no idea
2021-08-26 17:36:29	thursdaylark	could be newer than what macs are using
2021-08-26 17:36:30	bebop	heh
2021-08-26 17:36:34	bebop	this just put a hiccup in my morning
2021-08-26 17:36:42	bebop	could be
2021-08-26 17:38:12	thursdaylark	This is covered by this section https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/CUPS/Troubleshooting#Outdated_printer_configuration
2021-08-26 17:38:13	phrik	Title: CUPS/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-26 17:38:19	bebop	thursdaylark: I do not see a hpcups package
2021-08-26 17:38:59	thursdaylark	yeah, I think it's included with another package, but not having much luck figuring out which one
2021-08-26 17:39:20	thrice	!query phrik ?pkgfile hpcups
2021-08-26 17:39:20	phrik	thrice: No idea
2021-08-26 17:39:23	thrice	oops
2021-08-26 17:39:26	susi	debian has printer-driver-hpcups package
2021-08-26 17:40:45	bebop	so the server should have that plugin?
2021-08-26 17:41:18	thursdaylark	?pkgfile hpcups
2021-08-26 17:41:19	EMIYA	thursdaylark: extra/hplip 1:3.21.6-1 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/hpcups)
2021-08-26 17:41:32	thursdaylark	yep, should be included with hplip
2021-08-26 17:41:41	thursdaylark	just gotta change the printer config to use it
2021-08-26 17:52:11	bebop	where do I change it from hpcup to hplip?
2021-08-26 17:54:24	thursdaylark	I'm not sure of that. Been a while since I've used cups for my setup...
2021-08-26 17:54:52	thursdaylark	I'm assuming there's a way to get to that through the web interface, but not certain
2021-08-26 17:56:52	thursdaylark	bebop: actually, looks like you can do it through text config too, so can you post the content of /etc/cups/cupsd.conf to a paste service?
2021-08-26 17:58:27	thursdaylark	oh, wait, that's the config for cupsd
2021-08-26 17:58:37	thursdaylark	printers.conf is where the printers are configured :P
2021-08-26 18:05:04	low-key	Is there a command line tool to convert between otf and ttf?
2021-08-26 18:06:23	thursdaylark	https://pypi.org/project/otf2ttf/ looks promising
2021-08-26 18:06:24	phrik	Title: otf2ttf · PyPI (at pypi.org)
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2021-08-26 19:04:07	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1325 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1325 normals)
2021-08-26 18:50:38	thursdaylark	So, to summarize: suspend on lid closed is significantly delayed even if /proc/acpi/button/lid/LID/state returns "closed" between closing the lid and the machine entering suspend? 
2021-08-26 18:51:24	rolltime	thursdaylark: yes. also as mentioned the KDE battery applet is very slow to update
2021-08-26 18:51:40	thursdaylark	cool, just wanted that in-channel so people can actually help you :P
2021-08-26 18:51:49	rolltime	ah sorry lol, my bad
2021-08-26 18:52:56	thursdaylark	does that delay happen if you try closing the lid to suspend when not running kde?
2021-08-26 18:53:14	rolltime	let me check
2021-08-26 18:53:19	thursdaylark	wonder if kde takes over power management from logind or whatever systemd service deals with those events by default
2021-08-26 18:54:28	cyphertite	rolltime:  my KDE 'state' is at:  /proc/acpi/button/lid/LID0/state (not...LID) - and works well
2021-08-26 18:55:20	MrElendig	my kde state is https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=353722 which is still not fixed, even though it was claimed it would for 5.22 :
2021-08-26 18:55:22	phrik	Title: 353722 – background lost multi-monitor setup (at bugs.kde.org)
2021-08-26 18:57:12	rolltime	So, I don't have another DE installed, but both while logged out and in another terminal the issue persists
2021-08-26 18:58:36	thursdaylark	rolltime: can you post the output of `systemd-inhibit --list` to a paste service?
2021-08-26 18:59:54	rolltime	thursdaylark: https://pastebin.com/ftesw7RG
2021-08-26 18:59:55	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-t9k.txt
2021-08-26 18:59:55	phrik	Title: systemd-inhibit --listWHO UID USER PID COMM WHAT - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-26 19:01:00	thursdaylark	ok, so let's try eliminating entries who have "sleep" listed under "WHAT"
2021-08-26 19:01:20	thursdaylark	obviously KDE is gonna stay
2021-08-26 19:01:58	thursdaylark	but does killing that electron process change the suspend behavior at all?
2021-08-26 19:04:03	thursdaylark	that electron process is your IRC client, isn't it? :P
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2021-08-26 19:04:36	rolltime	no, it's the Signal desktop client
2021-08-26 19:04:57	thursdaylark	ahh, just a guess :)
2021-08-26 19:05:03	cyphertite	thursdaylark:  mine (which works) lists:  PowerDevil     1000 user 1103 org_kde_powerde handle-power-key:handle-suspend-key:handle-hibernate-key:handle-lid-switch KDE handles power event spend-key:handle-hibernate-key:handle-lid-switch KDE handles power events                                   block
2021-08-26 19:05:05	rolltime	good guess!
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2021-08-26 19:05:40	cyphertite	yes electron is required for signal-desktop
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2021-08-26 19:06:12	thursdaylark	yeah, block just means "block *systemd specifically* from reacting to these events" 
2021-08-26 19:06:42	thursdaylark	in this case, so that powerdevil can take care of it instead
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2021-08-26 19:07:09	rolltime	ah, makes sense
2021-08-26 19:07:32	cyphertite	rolltime:  do you have 'powerdevil' (5.22.4-1) installed?  
2021-08-26 19:07:56	rolltime	yes, and I tried reinstalling it as well
2021-08-26 19:09:08	cyphertite	is your system fully updated, and have you rebooted?
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2021-08-26 19:10:03	jcelerier	hello :) 
2021-08-26 19:10:10	thursdaylark	!welcome
2021-08-26 19:10:10	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
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2021-08-26 19:10:29	rolltime	yep. the issue is actually temporarily fixed on reboot but comes up after the system returns from suspend
2021-08-26 19:10:30	jcelerier	I wanted to update a package to a latest version manually (qt-creator, yes I have no patience) and thus went into svntogit
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2021-08-26 19:10:42	jcelerier	and noticed that the PKGBUILD does not define a CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE
2021-08-26 19:11:01	NetSysFire	be careful around partial upgrades
2021-08-26 19:11:05	◥	timahvo1 (~rogue@105.163.0.57) has joined #archlinux
2021-08-26 19:11:08	MrElendig	cmake typically defaults to release
2021-08-26 19:11:21	cyphertite	rolltime:  suspend (sleep) or hibernate?
2021-08-26 19:11:24	thursdaylark	!wtf qt-creator
2021-08-26 19:11:25	phrik	thursdaylark: What the hell is qt-creator?
2021-08-26 19:11:39	MrElendig	thursdaylark: s/-//
2021-08-26 19:11:45	rolltime	cyphertite: sleep
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2021-08-26 19:11:53	thursdaylark	ah
2021-08-26 19:11:59	MrElendig	thursdaylark: it's like visual studio, only for qt
2021-08-26 19:12:03	MrElendig	and worse
2021-08-26 19:12:15	jcelerier	is that expected / some arch policy ? because it sets no optimization flags
2021-08-26 19:12:28	jcelerier	qtcreator is miles and miles better than VS but let's not get into that debate :)
2021-08-26 19:12:34	MrElendig	jcelerier: should still pick up CFLAGS etc
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2021-08-26 19:13:08	MrElendig	can always build it with and without and then inspect the difference
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2021-08-26 19:13:53	thursdaylark	Yeah, this is just a situation where the dev has decided to defer to the packager's configuration flags, right?
2021-08-26 19:13:59	MrElendig	CXXFLAGS* in this case
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2021-08-26 19:14:04	cyphertite	rolltime:  k - not seeing that on my end.  When you installed KDE, did you install 'plasma-meta' and 'kde-applications-meta'?
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2021-08-26 19:14:56	rolltime	cyphertite: unsure, I used endeavouros' KDE mode. I don't think this issue was happening immediately after install but I could be wrong
2021-08-26 19:15:09	MrElendig	rolltime: so you are not actually using arch?
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2021-08-26 19:16:40	rolltime	MrElendig: I guess not technically. It uses arch packages and behaves essentially like a preconfigured arch install.
2021-08-26 19:16:47	MrElendig	rolltime: still not supported here
2021-08-26 19:16:53	thursdaylark	yup
2021-08-26 19:17:04	cyphertite	!bail
2021-08-26 19:17:04	phrik	Looks like cyphertite is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2021-08-26 19:18:09	thursdaylark	and it's exactly this kind of thing that could be way different with just a simple change
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2021-08-26 19:18:44	thursdaylark	we have no way of knowing if *you* did a thing that broke it, or if there's a bad default in endeavour's setup somehow...
2021-08-26 19:19:38	rolltime	yeah, fair enough
2021-08-26 19:20:08	rolltime	I'll ask around on some endeavour related platforms
2021-08-26 19:20:11	◣	greyltc (~greyltc@user/greyltc) ha salido (Quit: toodle-oo!)
2021-08-26 19:20:15	thursdaylark	usually best to use the community that is officially attached to the project, yeah :)
2021-08-26 19:20:38	grazzolini	ah, I forgot that on irc we are way more lenient =D
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2021-08-26 19:21:12	Tom^	lenient? you mean you instaban people on the forums? lol
2021-08-26 19:21:25	NetSysFire	the forums are.. different
2021-08-26 19:21:40	NetSysFire	and the bugtracker is straight up toxic sometimes, hah
2021-08-26 19:21:44	Tom^	tbh i dont mind helping people on those "preconfigured" arch uh installers. but manjaro and complete forks and spinoffs is something else.
2021-08-26 19:22:19	Tom^	because we do help people that configure their arch distros with custom themes from various bloat sites, and dotfiles stolen from github essentially giving you a worse situation then what endevaour or whatever does :P
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2021-08-26 19:23:18	MrElendig	last I poked at endevaour they did quite a lot of customisation though
2021-08-26 19:23:34	Tom^	yeah perhaps, but so have i done aswell. and you are still helping me sometimes :D
2021-08-26 19:23:40	thursdaylark	if the user could accurately identify parts of the installer/script/whatever that may affect things in the context of the problem they're having, I'd be happy to help, but if that was the case, I doubt they would use the installer to begin with...
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2021-08-26 19:25:42	rolltime	as far as I've experienced all endeavour did was preconfigure the desktop background and install a welcome app. I could be wrong, as I'm very new to arch-based distros. thursdaylark is correct in saying that I'm not knowledgeable enough to dig through endeavour and look for the problem, which is why I used it. I figured I would be better off using the installer than trying to make arch work as a
2021-08-26 19:25:42	rolltime	total novice.
2021-08-26 19:25:50	MrElendig	at least they put it all on github instead of hiding it away internally somewhere unlike some forks
2021-08-26 19:26:04	MrElendig	rolltime: they do a bit more than that
2021-08-26 19:26:43	MrElendig	including supporting arm
2021-08-26 19:26:56	rolltime	ah, gotcha
2021-08-26 19:27:03	MrElendig	a bunch of custom packages too
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2021-08-26 19:27:25	thursdaylark	archinstall is pretty good for basic desktop installs if you don't wanna do it all by hand
2021-08-26 19:27:37	⚡ 	thursdaylark has been messing with it recently
2021-08-26 19:27:50	MrElendig	would be nicer if they had went for a ncurses ui
2021-08-26 19:27:58	MrElendig	or at least implmeneted back/forward
2021-08-26 19:28:17	thursdaylark	yeah, the ui def could use some work
2021-08-26 19:28:29	MrElendig	having to restart just because you pressed 2 instead of 3 is a bit silly
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2021-08-26 19:28:43	thursdaylark	but the core functionality is pretty well thought-out for being an installer :P
2021-08-26 19:28:53	MrElendig	ui is just an aftertought :p
2021-08-26 19:29:03	grazzolini	Tom^: no, I'm on the tg unnoficial group. there you get 3 warnings and ban
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2021-08-26 19:29:07	⚡ 	MrElendig have been considering making a ncurses frontend for it
2021-08-26 19:29:23	Tom^	grazzolini: ah ok heh
2021-08-26 19:29:30	grazzolini	sometimes if the person insists, it's straight to ban =D
2021-08-26 19:29:40	thursdaylark	dayum
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2021-08-26 19:30:47	grazzolini	MrElendig: I think there's a PR to allow you to redo everything after it shows you the installation overview. it's no back, but still.
2021-08-26 19:30:51	ℹ 	jpw_ es conocido ahora como jpw
2021-08-26 19:31:07	MrElendig	ncurses is already on the install iso, so wouldn't even add any extra deps
2021-08-26 19:31:17	rolltime	yeah looking back I probably would have gone with archinstall
2021-08-26 19:31:24	hodbogi	Hey guys, trying to netboot the installer iso for arch to get it installed for someone on another machine; I gotta netboot. Normally I can just take the initrd and the kernel and throw it into a tftp root and I'm all set. Doesn't seem to finish booting on arch, it's saying: mounting /dev/disk/by-label to /run/archiso/bootmnt and then devidce did not show up after 30 seconds, so it falls back to
2021-08-26 19:31:24	hodbogi	the 
2021-08-26 19:31:30	hodbogi	shell. I think Arch is looking for something extra it needs but I'm not sure what it is in particular, any ideas?
2021-08-26 19:31:37	MrElendig	rolltime: imo manual install is less confusing than archinstall :p
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2021-08-26 19:32:01	MrElendig	hodbogi: did you follow the wiki?
2021-08-26 19:32:03	rolltime	well, looking back, i would probably just do it myself then
2021-08-26 19:32:05	Tom^	grazzolini: i mean when does it stop being arch? https://i.imgur.com/mcLVPTm.png lol
2021-08-26 19:32:07	rolltime	lol
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2021-08-26 19:32:40	rolltime	endeavouros also preinstalled neofetch with if nothing else i find really funny
2021-08-26 19:32:46	rolltime	*which if nothing else
2021-08-26 19:32:46	thursdaylark	lolol
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2021-08-26 19:32:54	grazzolini	Tom^: lol
2021-08-26 19:33:02	MrElendig	hodbogi: how exactly are you booting the iso?
2021-08-26 19:33:06	thursdaylark	gotta hook the ricers somehow :P
2021-08-26 19:33:14	MrElendig	hodbogi: sidenote: there is a dedicated netboot image too
2021-08-26 19:33:15	grazzolini	hodbogi: netboot doesn't get a lot of testing, unfortunately.
2021-08-26 19:33:24	grazzolini	you're not use pxe though, right?
2021-08-26 19:34:07	MrElendig	also uefi or bios?
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2021-08-26 19:35:14	teraflops	oh neifetch works on non linux as well
2021-08-26 19:35:18	teraflops	neofetch
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2021-08-26 19:35:35	thursdaylark	memefetch
2021-08-26 19:35:47	hodbogi	bios on this one, the machine is kind of old. and MrElendig now that you said that, I saw that on the wiki and didn't try it first because I wasn't 100% sure what it was going to do. I think I'll squeeze it in there, think I can just throw the ipxe file into my tftpboot and change the dhcp filename spec? one way to find out
2021-08-26 19:36:08	MrElendig	hodbogi: you did set dhcp-option-force and friends?
2021-08-26 19:36:21	grazzolini	hodbogi: I would suggest you use the ipxe images, yes
2021-08-26 19:36:46	hodbogi	I have only ever had to set next-server and filename for all pxeboot's I've done (except for polycom phone crap)
2021-08-26 19:36:56	NetSysFire	ponyfetch when
2021-08-26 19:37:17	hodbogi	oh, I'll try loading ipxe-arch.pxe
2021-08-26 19:37:25	teraflops	thursdaylark: https://gist.github.com/prietus/bb36a0d4b931b3f0975fd56f66791f76/raw/f627a304ddb942bfe3ab6a6df3cef2fc7a366825/mACS.png :p
2021-08-26 19:37:52	thursdaylark	heh
2021-08-26 19:38:04	thursdaylark	got the right logo color too :D
2021-08-26 19:38:24	grazzolini	it's very easy to fool someone with neofetch
2021-08-26 19:38:44	hodbogi	they just need to update neofetch to show your root password
2021-08-26 19:38:53	hodbogi	then everyone will love it
2021-08-26 19:39:07	teraflops	you hve to sudo neofetch for doing that!
2021-08-26 19:39:13	hodbogi	hah
2021-08-26 19:39:17	thursdaylark	Just add the field and populate it with "hunter2" every time
2021-08-26 19:39:47	◣	jpw (~jpw@user/jpw) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2021-08-26 19:40:02	hodbogi	wait a minute
2021-08-26 19:40:08	hodbogi	why does hunter2 sound SO FAMILIAR
2021-08-26 19:40:18	hodbogi	I feel like I know this password from somewhere
2021-08-26 19:40:35	thursdaylark	http://bash.org/?244321
2021-08-26 19:40:37	phrik	Title: QDB: Quote #244321 (at bash.org)
2021-08-26 19:41:29	grazzolini	thursdaylark: lol
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2021-08-26 19:42:05	teraflops	haha
2021-08-26 19:42:18	hodbogi	Oh yeah!
2021-08-26 19:43:31	th0rne	If /dev/sdb2 is my lvm, does it need to go in fstab, or just the partitions that are inside?
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2021-08-26 19:44:16	grazzolini	th0rne: on your fstab you only need the uuid of the filesystems you wanted mounted. since lvm isn't a filesystem, it doesn't go into fstab
2021-08-26 19:44:28	th0rne	Good explanation, thanks!
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2021-08-26 19:45:52	grazzolini	th0rne: ofc, it can also be the lvm lv path, doesn't nee to be uuid. its just I *strongly* recommend you use uuid's on your fstab
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2021-08-26 19:46:45	th0rne	Yeah, I was going to. Thanks.
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2021-08-26 19:48:28	th0rne	In this particular example, does cryptsetup not need to be run on 'cryptswap'? The /etc/crypttab stuff handles it?
2021-08-26 19:48:33	th0rne	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#Preparing_the_disk_3
2021-08-26 19:48:34	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Encrypting an entire system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-26 19:49:35	th0rne	Or home?
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2021-08-26 19:50:05	th0rne	Oh, I see, home they do later.
2021-08-26 19:50:52	◣	Iamthehuman1 (~noname@user/iamthehuman) ha salido (Excess Flood)
2021-08-26 19:50:58	grazzolini	th0rne: no, the swap is activated when you unlock the luks container. because the lvm vg and lv's are automatically assembled. so, you just need the uuid of the cryptswap lv on your fstab
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2021-08-26 19:51:28	grazzolini	(or again, you can use the lv path)
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2021-08-26 19:51:51	th0rne	Right, ok. Thanks.
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2021-08-26 19:56:54	silverscat_3	Hello everyone, Could I ask you a question that I think is quite touchy?
2021-08-26 19:57:23	MrElendig	you can always ask
2021-08-26 19:57:40	Mysterytrain	don't ask to ask
2021-08-26 19:57:40	MrElendig	what happens afterwards may be up for discussion :p
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2021-08-26 19:58:50	silverscat_3	There is a linux distribution based on Arch called "Alter Linux", and it seems that the developer have a sent patch for VLC to Arch.
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2021-08-26 19:59:52	th0rne	Not an expert, but I think something something patching upstream.
2021-08-26 20:00:17	◣	bionade24 (~bionade24@server2.oscloud.info) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2021-08-26 20:00:25	silverscat_3	The Arch team claims that their name is missing form the contributor list, even though they have incorporated their own changes.
2021-08-26 20:01:16	silverscat_3	Here's the his tweet: https://twitter.com/Hayao0819/status/1430514835628826626?s=20
2021-08-26 20:01:40	th0rne	It's probably up to the vlc team who they want to list as contributors?
2021-08-26 20:02:00	cyphertite	th0rne:  you don't need /etc/cryptab, use cryptsetup to encrypt your /, then use pvcreate, vgcreate and lvcreate to set up the rest of your system
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2021-08-26 20:02:32	th0rne	In this particular case, I want unencrypted /.
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2021-08-26 20:03:04	thrice	are you really linking a tweet, written in japanese, as a patch submission to a distro?
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2021-08-26 20:03:29	hodbogi	ok. Looks like the arch supplied ipxe image doesn't let me do ctrl-b to get into the command line for ipxe...
2021-08-26 20:03:42	hodbogi	I'm going to get the stock one and see what the heck is going on with my network
2021-08-26 20:03:50	silverscat_3	No, no That;s not want I meant.
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2021-08-26 20:03:51	MrElendig	I can't find anything relevant on the bug tracker
2021-08-26 20:04:01	hodbogi	It does work, but it's getting time outs with dns and I am not seeing any dns packets 
2021-08-26 20:04:29	Tom^	cant find anything relevant in the mailing list if im not missing something
2021-08-26 20:04:35	Tom^	so uh wat?
2021-08-26 20:04:38	thursdaylark	hodbogi: does your dhcp server supply a dns server address?
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2021-08-26 20:05:17	silverscat_3	I'm also looking for his patch from the mailng list
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2021-08-26 20:05:30	⚡ 	MrElendig is confused about which contributor list this is too
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2021-08-26 20:05:55	th0rne	Where is vmlinuz-linux, etc. supposed to live in an syslinux+uefi system? Next to 'EFI'? Inside?
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2021-08-26 20:06:25	MrElendig	th0rne: wherever you want on the esp, or any other partition that syslinux can read
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2021-08-26 20:06:56	MrElendig	personally I would not use syslinux
2021-08-26 20:07:11	th0rne	In that case, where is './' or '../' (for syslinux)?
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2021-08-26 20:07:46	MrElendig	paths are relative to the esp
2021-08-26 20:07:47	thrice	silverscat_3: is it about midi support?
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2021-08-26 20:08:30	th0rne	Are you sure? Isn't the default 'LINUX ../vmlinuz-linux'? What does that mean, then?
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2021-08-26 20:08:38	silverscat_3	I don't know the details, but perhaps that's it?
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2021-08-26 20:08:48	thrice	lol
2021-08-26 20:08:50	thrice	!bail
2021-08-26 20:08:51	phrik	Looks like thrice is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2021-08-26 20:09:12	th0rne	Esp is the top level, right? There's no .. from there? Or does the ../ here mean something else?
2021-08-26 20:10:12	hodbogi	I wonder if I can fit ipxe onto a floppy disk...
2021-08-26 20:10:37	Tom^	silverscat_3: so you are asking us about a tweet from some japan fork of arch who is twittering something about a patch not merged, yet you dont know what patch or issue it solves. and expect us to know it?
2021-08-26 20:10:54	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-26 20:11:19	silverscat_3	Sorry, I was so shocked by this tweet that I just had to ask.
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2021-08-26 20:11:37	th0rne	Shocked?
2021-08-26 20:12:00	Tom^	just wait until you find other tweets claiming arch sucks. then you are gonna be shocked for life.
2021-08-26 20:13:36	thrice	:-)
2021-08-26 20:14:13	MrElendig	th0rne: rememberd wrong, its relative to the config file in syslinux
2021-08-26 20:14:14	silverscat_3	...maybe I was a bit confused... well, I'm so soory anyway.
2021-08-26 20:14:26	MrElendig	unlike every other bootloader :p
2021-08-26 20:14:42	MrElendig	"All filenames inside the config file are assumed to be relative to the directory SYSLINUX.CFG is in, unless preceded with a slash or backslash. "
2021-08-26 20:14:48	MrElendig	-- the syslinux wiki
2021-08-26 20:14:54	th0rne	Aha, thanks! :)
2021-08-26 20:15:19	MrElendig	why did you go for syslinux? 
2021-08-26 20:15:41	MrElendig	it can't do chainloading etc
2021-08-26 20:16:02	th0rne	Is that useful?
2021-08-26 20:16:06	MrElendig	yes
2021-08-26 20:16:33	MrElendig	eg if you want to boot from some other .efi binary
2021-08-26 20:16:48	th0rne	I have syslinux on one machine, and systemd-boot on two. But syslinux supports background pictures!
2021-08-26 20:16:54	MrElendig	like memcheck, windows, some other distro, scureboot signed blob
2021-08-26 20:16:58	silverscat_3	exit
2021-08-26 20:17:07	MrElendig	use grub if you want fancy graphics
2021-08-26 20:17:17	MrElendig	sidenote: systemd-boot can do splash too
2021-08-26 20:17:22	th0rne	What?!
2021-08-26 20:17:28	th0rne	Since when?
2021-08-26 20:18:24	th0rne	Also, syslinux has memtest?
2021-08-26 20:18:44	MrElendig	also All filenames inside the config file are assumed to be relative to the directory SYSLINUX.CFG is in, unless preceded with a slash or backslash. 
2021-08-26 20:18:47	MrElendig	grr
2021-08-26 20:18:56	MrElendig	https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/e313e934db2baab43f64ad47b8c4be3c3e746b46
2021-08-26 20:19:21	MrElendig	th0rne: no, but you can download memtest efi binary from the memtest homepage
2021-08-26 20:19:32	Tom^	MrElendig: or aur. :p
2021-08-26 20:19:44	MrElendig	but afaik syslinux still doesn't support chainloading efi binaries
2021-08-26 20:20:24	MrElendig	sd-boot now has compile time colour configuration ^
2021-08-26 20:20:32	th0rne	What is a "secureboot signed blob" and why might I need it?
2021-08-26 20:20:49	th0rne	Ok, but syslinux can display pictures in native resolution, not just colors.
2021-08-26 20:21:15	MrElendig	so can grub
2021-08-26 20:21:31	th0rne	Grub is more complicated, though.
2021-08-26 20:21:38	MrElendig	not really
2021-08-26 20:21:42	th0rne	More complex?
2021-08-26 20:21:47	hodbogi	oh wow I was stupid
2021-08-26 20:21:52	hodbogi	I forgot to set the dns and gateway
2021-08-26 20:21:54	hodbogi	XD
2021-08-26 20:21:54	MrElendig	a simple grub config is the same LOC as a simple syslinux config
2021-08-26 20:22:02	th0rne	Yeah?
2021-08-26 20:22:05	MrElendig	yes
2021-08-26 20:22:20	susi	th0rne: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/User:Eschwartz/Grub#Write_the_configuration_from_scratch
2021-08-26 20:22:21	phrik	Title: User:Eschwartz/Grub - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-26 20:23:16	MrElendig	https://bpa.st/CFYA <- this is more verbose than it has to be
2021-08-26 20:23:17	phrik	Title: View paste CFYA (at bpa.st)
2021-08-26 20:23:20	th0rne	Ok, but still; syslinux has memtest, I don't want windows - what is a "secureboot blob" and why might one need it?
2021-08-26 20:23:37	MrElendig	th0rne: it does not have memtest on uefi
2021-08-26 20:23:42	th0rne	Oh.
2021-08-26 20:23:49	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-26 20:23:52	MrElendig	it need to be able to chainload efi binary for that
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2021-08-26 20:24:17	Tom^	MrElendig: isnt grub sort of capable of resolution changes and handing over it to kernel for a "flicker" free experience tho?
2021-08-26 20:24:32	MrElendig	of course you can just grab the iso off membest86 and write to a usb stick when you ned it too
2021-08-26 20:24:47	th0rne	Well, it's nice to have memtest in the boot menu.
2021-08-26 20:24:49	MrElendig	Tom^: with intel systems, kinda
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2021-08-26 20:24:58	MrElendig	newer intel systems even
2021-08-26 20:25:10	Tom^	MrElendig: ah right, only intel. 
2021-08-26 20:25:59	susi	th0rne: you may want to sign kernel and initcpio so they can't be altered/modified without your knowledge, and utilize tpm for the keys
2021-08-26 20:26:00	MrElendig	only om some intel systems too
2021-08-26 20:26:11	MrElendig	on*
2021-08-26 20:26:14	th0rne	Alright, alright, I suppose I'll try grub, then.
2021-08-26 20:26:16	MrElendig	can do it with systemd-boot too
2021-08-26 20:27:03	MrElendig	Tom^: not sure if it works with Xe (on chip or dedicated)
2021-08-26 20:27:19	Xe	hi
2021-08-26 20:27:28	thrice	hi
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2021-08-26 20:27:37	Xe	oh is this the GPU again
2021-08-26 20:27:58	MrElendig	needs i915.fastboot parameter at least, but can't remember if Xe is supported by that driver
2021-08-26 20:28:08	Xe	yes it is
2021-08-26 20:28:09	Xe	fun
2021-08-26 20:28:15	MrElendig	Xe: you suck! and you are being released a year too late!
2021-08-26 20:28:15	susi	but intel systems do have The management engine (ME) with ip stack and webserver etc we can't control nor disable, and UEFI's full of potential backdoor bloat, it's like 2,5 kernels even before linux.. so no point trying to block access from NSA by signing and verifying kernels etc...
2021-08-26 20:28:17	MrElendig	:p
2021-08-26 20:28:20	Tom^	MrElendig: i just recalled seeing some phoronix posts about fedora patching it or similiar ages ago
2021-08-26 20:28:23	Xe	MrElendig: this sentence makes you breathe manually
2021-08-26 20:28:33	MrElendig	well to be fair, they renamed the dedicated cards to Arc now
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2021-08-26 20:29:05	Tom^	MrElendig: by microsoft standards that should put arch in a position to sue them for name infringement
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2021-08-26 20:29:31	MrElendig	Tom^: there have been some discussion about arc conflicting with some older gfx stuff
2021-08-26 20:29:39	Tom^	lol
2021-08-26 20:29:48	Tom^	remind me again why patents is helping us?
2021-08-26 20:29:49	MrElendig	but then again, intel have a proud history of stealing names
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2021-08-26 20:42:11	bebop	I'm getting this error after reinstalling cups: Aug 26 12:41:03 mars systemd[1]: Dependency failed for CUPS Scheduler.
2021-08-26 20:42:17	◣	zyga-mbp (~zyga@31.0.173.147) ha salido (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2021-08-26 20:43:02	bebop	and: Aug 26 12:41:03 mars systemd[1]: cups.service: Job cups.service/start failed with result 'dependency'.
2021-08-26 20:43:20	susi	check `systemctl cat cups.service` 
2021-08-26 20:43:23	MrElendig	journalctl/systemctl  can give you the context
2021-08-26 20:43:48	susi	you'll see the dependencies by catting the service
2021-08-26 20:44:10	◣	weltio (~weltio@80.90.154.227) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2021-08-26 20:44:28	bebop	I don't see dependencies?
2021-08-26 20:44:42	bebop	[INSTALL] ?
2021-08-26 20:45:12	MrElendig	After=network.target sssd.service ypbind.service nslcd.service
2021-08-26 20:45:22	MrElendig	Requires=cups.socket
2021-08-26 20:45:44	bebop	isn't cups.socket in package "cups" ?
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2021-08-26 20:46:18	MrElendig	usually yes
2021-08-26 20:46:33	bebop	it's installed
2021-08-26 20:47:00	MrElendig	is the file actually on the system? if so, what does systemctl/journalctl say about it?
2021-08-26 20:47:22	MrElendig	they will probably also give you more context about the cups.service failure than just "dependency" too
2021-08-26 20:47:32	◣	zachal (~chz@user/zachal) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2021-08-26 20:47:41	susi	`journalctl -b --unit=cups.service`
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2021-08-26 20:57:18	bebop	https://pastebin.com/19YRSiCn
2021-08-26 20:57:19	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-tp3.txt
2021-08-26 20:57:19	phrik	Title: systemctl status cups○ cups.service - CUPS Scheduler Loaded: loaded (/us - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-26 20:59:09	thursdaylark	It's having trouble finding the right version of the libcups so. Did you downgrade libcups when you downgraded cups?
2021-08-26 20:59:30	bebop	no
2021-08-26 20:59:42	susi	pacman -Syu libcups cups :-)
2021-08-26 20:59:55	thursdaylark	yeah, get back to the latest version on everything
2021-08-26 21:00:02	low-key	i have my bottom margin set to 0 in mako but still get this much spacing between my notifications
2021-08-26 21:00:06	low-key	https://ttm.sh/trX.png
2021-08-26 21:00:14	low-key	what other setting may be responsible for this?
2021-08-26 21:00:36	low-key	can't find any other culprit in the man page
2021-08-26 21:00:47	susi	what is mako
2021-08-26 21:01:25	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-26 21:01:29	Tom^	lol pipewire is ready for prime usage, blasted on all my plugged in devices static noise at what sounded like 150% volume.
2021-08-26 21:01:37	thursdaylark	sway-compatible desktop notifications, apparently
2021-08-26 21:01:46	bebop	'pacman -Syu libcups cups' fixed it
2021-08-26 21:01:47	bebop	thank you
2021-08-26 21:01:57	low-key	mako is a notification daemon for wayland
2021-08-26 21:01:58	Foxboron	Tom^: stop holding it wrong :)
2021-08-26 21:02:16	Tom^	Foxboron: yeah i think il stick with pulse a little longer
2021-08-26 21:02:26	Foxboron	Tom^: pipewire works great on my end frankly
2021-08-26 21:02:35	Foxboron	But now suddenly pulse enabled all the fancy bluetooth stuff :/
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2021-08-26 21:02:42	⚡ 	thursdaylark really needs to get his head wrapped around pipewire one of these days ...
2021-08-26 21:02:49	Tom^	Foxboron: couldnt exactly debug it either because well i couldnt mute the noise either :D
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2021-08-26 21:02:55	Foxboron	ouch
2021-08-26 21:03:04	teraflops	ldac > sbc
2021-08-26 21:03:20	Foxboron	yy
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2021-08-26 21:06:13	teraflops	can we ask EMIYA to join to #archlinux-es to avoid pastebin pastes, or is it/he/she #archlinux only ?
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2021-08-26 21:07:07	Tom^	teraflops: ask grawity 
2021-08-26 21:07:19	teraflops	Ill do thanks
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2021-08-26 21:07:46	bebop	thursdaylark: not that you care but I finally got arch to work with the pi server... had to use generic text only drivers
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2021-08-26 21:07:59	thursdaylark	Ahh nice good find
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2021-08-26 21:08:13	bebop	but I'm able to use the actual drivers on mac and the server
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2021-08-26 21:09:49	susi	ah, thanks for reminding me of my own Pi
2021-08-26 21:10:06	susi	let's see if it's even alive, haven't remembered the whole thing for ages
2021-08-26 21:10:31	susi	seems to respond
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2021-08-26 21:12:21	Mysterytrain	got a pi2 in a box somewhere. 
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2021-08-26 21:14:37	concrete-houses	pacman is downloading a bit slowly, I just enabled parallel downloads but is there some way to find the fastest mirror?
2021-08-26 21:15:00	Mathisen	concrete-houses, reflector
2021-08-26 21:15:05	◣	malloy (~jimery@116.30.220.55) ha salido (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2021-08-26 21:15:16	Mathisen	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/reflector
2021-08-26 21:15:17	phrik	Title: Reflector - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-26 21:15:44	Tom^	or https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/mirrors#List_by_speed
2021-08-26 21:15:45	phrik	Title: Mirrors - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-26 21:17:43	icy_hot	concrete-houses: on the mirror list, you want to pick the one that's closest to you geographically
2021-08-26 21:18:03	concrete-houses	ok
2021-08-26 21:18:07	Namarrgon	a geographically close mirror isn't always faster then a distant one
2021-08-26 21:18:14	Namarrgon	*than
2021-08-26 21:18:20	concrete-houses	hmmm
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2021-08-26 21:48:51	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1326 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1326 normals)
2021-08-26 21:45:40	MrElendig	susi: because systemd follows the xdg spec
2021-08-26 21:46:18	susi	it contains only /user/sockets.target.wants/ with symlinks to /usr/lib/.../user sockets :O
2021-08-26 21:46:45	Namarrgon	d3ph4u17: lspci -k
2021-08-26 21:47:08	d3ph4u17	the adapter is only listed in lsusb
2021-08-26 21:47:22	Namarrgon	post that then
2021-08-26 21:47:44	SysGhost	susi: you don't have much more that uses that particular part. Once you install a xdg-aware environment, that path will be populated with more stuff
2021-08-26 21:48:26	d3ph4u17	https://pastebin.com/yj0CT3jt
2021-08-26 21:48:27	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-tfq.txt
2021-08-26 21:48:27	phrik	Title: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching HubDev - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-26 21:48:36	concrete-houses	k
2021-08-26 21:48:50	SysGhost	this is how my xdg/systemd folder looks like: https://ghostbin.sytes.net/?f=n62hr7cz
2021-08-26 21:48:51	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-26 21:49:20	d3ph4u17	i can also post lsmod if you wish
2021-08-26 21:50:05	susi	why are those .socket symlinks in /etc/xdg/systemd, but nothing else.. and what's the diff, .config/systemd/user and /etc/xdg/systemd/user
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2021-08-26 21:50:22	thursdaylark	d3ph4u17: just to check the stupid thing, your device doesn't show up in `rfkill list` as hard or soft blocked, correct?
2021-08-26 21:50:30	d3ph4u17	 yes
2021-08-26 21:50:31	MrElendig	susi: system wide vs per user
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2021-08-26 21:50:46	d3ph4u17	it doesn't show up at all to be precise
2021-08-26 21:51:01	MrElendig	system wide in this case as in for all users
2021-08-26 21:51:06	MrElendig	not system level
2021-08-26 21:51:10	thursdaylark	well, that's probably another symptom of the bluetooth not working :P
2021-08-26 21:51:18	d3ph4u17	 oh and it also seems to work in windows ameliorated atleast
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2021-08-26 21:53:44	Namarrgon	looking around the intertubes this chipset looks like a total pain on linux
2021-08-26 21:53:55	⚡ 	thursdaylark is seeing the same
2021-08-26 21:54:14	d3ph4u17	well fuck then
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2021-08-26 21:54:41	d3ph4u17	what am i supposed to do now
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2021-08-26 21:54:52	Namarrgon	replace it with something that is supported
2021-08-26 21:55:00	d3ph4u17	i can't
2021-08-26 21:55:05	d3ph4u17	it's baked into the motherboard
2021-08-26 21:55:05	Namarrgon	why not?
2021-08-26 21:55:13	fltrz	oops accidentally moved (mv) a file over another important file
2021-08-26 21:55:14	d3ph4u17	and i can't afford another motherboar
2021-08-26 21:55:20	d3ph4u17	motherboard*
2021-08-26 21:55:23	fltrz	as normal user. can I undo it?
2021-08-26 21:55:26	SysGhost	d3ph4u17:  which computer is it?
2021-08-26 21:55:37	Namarrgon	you don't have to replace the whole motherboard, just get some pci-e card
2021-08-26 21:55:37	SysGhost	oh... I see further up
2021-08-26 21:55:38	d3ph4u17	self-built, msi z77 mpower motherboard
2021-08-26 21:55:49	thursdaylark	fltrz: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/File_recovery
2021-08-26 21:55:50	phrik	Title: File recovery - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-26 21:56:10	SysGhost	you can always add another bluetooth module.
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2021-08-26 21:56:20	Hunts	d3ph4u17: you can just plug a supported USB bluetooth adapter
2021-08-26 21:56:26	susi	MrElendig: the "user" is confusing for 'system-wide', and also why there are some .sockets and not all, how did this subset from /usr/lib/systemd become selected into /etc/xdg/systemd/user
2021-08-26 21:56:36	d3ph4u17	yes that's a solution but i would like to use the integrated one where possible
2021-08-26 21:56:41	fltrz	thursdaylark, well I used ddrescue before, but thats for whole partitions
2021-08-26 21:57:09	ℹ 	Cashlin es conocido ahora como hi
2021-08-26 21:57:10	fltrz	thursdaylark, is there a way to recover or undo a specific filesystem operation? it just happened, no reboots yet etc
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2021-08-26 21:57:22	fltrz	I know where the file was
2021-08-26 21:57:23	◥	Crescendo (~Crescendo@user/crescendo) has joined #archlinux
2021-08-26 21:57:37	ℹ 	hi es conocido ahora como whats
2021-08-26 21:57:42	fltrz	but now another file is on that filename
2021-08-26 21:57:50	ℹ 	whats es conocido ahora como whats_up
2021-08-26 21:58:02	thursdaylark	not an easy way that I know of
2021-08-26 21:58:05	◣	superboot (~agentgasm@user/superboot) ha salido (Quit: leaving)
2021-08-26 21:58:06	Namarrgon	unless you made a snapshot or backup you can say good bye to it
2021-08-26 21:58:28	SysGhost	d3ph4u17: seem,s that is out of the deal in this case.
2021-08-26 21:58:39	ℹ 	whats_up es conocido ahora como Cashlin
2021-08-26 21:58:49	SysGhost	relevant bug report about that bluetooth adapter: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67701
2021-08-26 21:58:58	d3ph4u17	so i need to just wait if the linux-firmware will be fixed?
2021-08-26 21:58:59	fltrz	I mean isn't it in tmp or cache or swap still?
2021-08-26 21:59:02	teraflops	my intel mobo have one of those pcie-like interfaces (cannot remember the name) where I put a bt/wifi combo and they work pretty well
2021-08-26 21:59:11	d3ph4u17	or try to be the hero and fix it,but that's probably not happening
2021-08-26 21:59:31	Namarrgon	fltrz: was overwritten file open in an program?
2021-08-26 21:59:34	Namarrgon	*any
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2021-08-26 22:00:07	Namarrgon	d3ph4u17: going by the timestamps on the bugreports i wouldn't wait for that to happen
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2021-08-26 22:00:22	d3ph4u17	yeah i already see
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2021-08-26 22:00:46	d3ph4u17	i guess only way is to figure out what the fuck is wrong with this thing
2021-08-26 22:00:48	MrElendig	systemctl --user show -p UnitPath --value
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2021-08-26 22:01:22	Namarrgon	d3ph4u17: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/log/ath3k-1.fw
2021-08-26 22:01:23	phrik	Title: kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git - Repository of firmware blobs for use with the Linux kernel (at git.kernel.org)
2021-08-26 22:01:35	◣	agowa338 (~agowa338@p200300fb0f1a8c00d8c9580ae0417c79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) ha salido (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2021-08-26 22:01:39	SysGhost	d3ph4u17: could very well be the case of the firmware not working as expected. Maybe even not fixable. At least not without major changes to the subsystems.
2021-08-26 22:01:42	Namarrgon	last update was a decade ago, the driver itself is probably not getting much love either
2021-08-26 22:02:02	susi	MrElendig: those files in /etc/xdg/systemd/user (arbitrary symlinks to /usr/lib .sockets) are last accessed when I installed this system in Dec 24, except for one (pulseaudio.socket) that's last accessed in january
2021-08-26 22:02:03	MrElendig	https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/main/src/basic/path-lookup.c#L71 is fun
2021-08-26 22:02:23	d3ph4u17	if the firmware didn't work as intended then it wouldn't work under windows too right?
2021-08-26 22:02:27	susi	MrElendig: so must be some kind of user error on my behalf that got /etc/xdg/systemd/user/ stuff created, or sumthin
2021-08-26 22:02:43	Namarrgon	d3ph4u17: assuming it's the same firmware, yes but the driver is not the same
2021-08-26 22:02:57	SysGhost	d3ph4u17: rthe drivers udner windows are written by qualcomm themselves. They know what to work around.
2021-08-26 22:03:14	Namarrgon	susi: /etc/xdg/systemd/user is a symlink
2021-08-26 22:03:27	d3ph4u17	time to go and reverse the windows drivers
2021-08-26 22:03:32	susi	Namarrgon: not for me
2021-08-26 22:03:42	◣	blindguard (~blindguar@2a02:908:1864:c200::4433) ha salido (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2021-08-26 22:04:19	MrElendig	dir for me too on both levels
2021-08-26 22:04:20	Namarrgon	susi: pacman -Qkk systemd
2021-08-26 22:04:43	fltrz	Namarrgon, I had just closed the program :S
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2021-08-26 22:04:55	Namarrgon	fltrz: what kind of file was it?
2021-08-26 22:05:01	susi	-Qkk says nothing about /etc/xdg files
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2021-08-26 22:05:22	Namarrgon	fltrz: photorec might find it but it'll take time
2021-08-26 22:05:29	◣	rahl- (~rahl@102.114.38.72) ha salido (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2021-08-26 22:05:58	fltrz	Namarrgon, it was GIMP file xcf
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2021-08-26 22:06:25	fltrz	its the filesystem journalled? I dont think the blocks have been overwritten
2021-08-26 22:07:07	Namarrgon	depends on the filesystem
2021-08-26 22:07:24	SysGhost	susi: I notice some folders and files are now owned by anything. And in my case they're really old. 2018. I suspect some stuf just got abandoned as packages got updated.
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2021-08-26 22:07:48	susi	SysGhost: https://0x0.st/-tfQ.txt
2021-08-26 22:07:51	fltrz	I think its just ext3?
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2021-08-27 20:02:57	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1339 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1339 normals)
2021-08-27 17:38:46	Isaac_S	Hi, how do I stop audit messages from clogging up my terminal?
2021-08-27 17:39:00	John_Ivan	Namarrgon, yeah. that was it. I basically had the EFI partition originally formatted as ext4. I realized after attempting to install GRUB that it didn't like it. I've already generated fstab by then. I proceeded and formatted the efi partition as fat, and I think it got a new UUID.
2021-08-27 17:39:27	thurstylark	that'll do it
2021-08-27 17:42:43	grazzolini	Rikle_S: you can also enable magic sysrq keys.
2021-08-27 17:43:57	Rikle_S	dagle: not present on the network :/
2021-08-27 17:44:05	grazzolini	Isaac_S: dmesg -D ?
2021-08-27 17:45:31	dagle	Rikle_S: Hmmm. Do you use an oom-killer?
2021-08-27 17:45:40	Rikle_S	oom ?
2021-08-27 17:45:45	dagle	out of memory
2021-08-27 17:46:09	dagle	Kills programs that hogs all memory before they crash the system.
2021-08-27 17:46:20	Rikle_S	impossible, I have 32Go, and there is only gnome installed on the new install
2021-08-27 17:46:53	dagle	It's not impossible. I had the steam window use 30Gb of memory because of a bug.
2021-08-27 17:46:55	Rikle_S	dagle: sometimes it crashes just doning nothing, nor navigating, on the desktop
2021-08-27 17:47:43	Rikle_S	ok but I just installed gnome, and had it when booting on a terminal :/
2021-08-27 17:47:46	fweht	any idea why `Option "AutoRepeat" "50 70"` in `keyboard.conf` seems to have no effect?  the other options are working!
2021-08-27 17:48:00	dagle	Hmm. Doesn't sound like a software problem.
2021-08-27 17:48:45	Rikle_S	that's why I changed hard drive, but I was wrong :/
2021-08-27 17:48:59	rcf	Have you run memtest 
2021-08-27 17:49:10	Rikle_S	how ?
2021-08-27 17:49:21	dagle	usb stick and download and format the thing.
2021-08-27 17:49:35	dagle	memtest is a mini-os to just test memory.
2021-08-27 17:49:37	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Stress_testing#Stressing_memory
2021-08-27 17:49:38	phrik	Title: Stress testing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-27 17:50:24	Rikle_S	arf
2021-08-27 17:50:29	Rikle_S	should be RAM ?
2021-08-27 17:50:31	dagle	Have you tried running something like twm for a day or 2 to see if it happens? Maybe gnome does some composting that uses the gpu and kills the system.
2021-08-27 17:51:16	Rikle_S	Install it as memtest86-efiAUR or boot the Arch Linux install image
2021-08-27 17:51:38	rcf	Rikle_S: bad RAM could certainly lead to annoying lockups among other things. 
2021-08-27 17:52:00	Rikle_S	dagle: it's not related to gnome, because I have it even if it's not running
2021-08-27 17:52:40	Rikle_S	sometimes I leave computer for 5 min, and when I come back, it's already freez
2021-08-27 17:54:23	rcf	I do suggest memtest then.
2021-08-27 17:54:33	thurstylark	++
2021-08-27 17:55:58	Rikle_S	rcf: I've run : yay -S memtest86-efi
2021-08-27 17:58:43	rcf	I'm not sure what that actually does. I normally create a bootable USB from the image in https://www.memtest86.com/downloads/memtest86-usb.zip
2021-08-27 18:04:35	grazzolini	Rikle_S: you can make sure it's completely frozen by using magic sysrq keys
2021-08-27 18:10:47	GI_Jack	annd... new version of -hardened panics on boot
2021-08-27 18:13:31	thrice	isn't that the ultimate security?
2021-08-27 18:16:57	GI_Jack	h4rd3n3D, its hard to yell, the services scroll by too fast to see, but initram disks, load, root mounts, but one of the services causes a hit
2021-08-27 18:17:00	moviuro	I arch-chroot into my rescue system. pacman -Qkk does not complain. mkinitcpio -p linux does not do anything. So now it doesn't boot
2021-08-27 18:18:21	Namarrgon	ls -l /etc/mkinitcpio.d
2021-08-27 18:19:05	moviuro	linux.preset
2021-08-27 18:19:15	moviuro	vim doesn't work either
2021-08-27 18:19:23	Namarrgon	"doesn't work"?
2021-08-27 18:19:29	thrice	!errors
2021-08-27 18:19:29	phrik	Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2021-08-27 18:19:30	moviuro	Er,nvm
2021-08-27 18:19:36	Scimmia	moviuro: ls -l says more than that
2021-08-27 18:19:41	moviuro	vim works, scratch that
2021-08-27 18:20:44	moviuro	Yes, size 0, sorry I'm on phone, copying stuff over isn't possible right now
2021-08-27 18:21:12	Scimmia	delete that file and reinstall the kernel
2021-08-27 18:21:52	moviuro	thanks Scimmia , that does some things
2021-08-27 18:22:02	moviuro	now to see if it boots
2021-08-27 18:28:46	moviuro	(it does, thanks Scimmia )
2021-08-27 18:46:21	dotz0cat[m]	Is there a quick and dirty way to prevent my laptop from going to sleep when I close the lid?
2021-08-27 18:46:51	thurstylark	Yes, what DE are you using?
2021-08-27 18:48:29	dotz0cat[m]	No de. I3 and lightdm
2021-08-27 18:49:14	thurstylark	Ok, so systemd-logind is in charge of that...
2021-08-27 18:49:24	⚡ 	thurstylark looks for wiki page
2021-08-27 18:49:44	tpr	/etc/systemd/logind.conf is the config file for that
2021-08-27 18:50:00	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd#Power_management
2021-08-27 18:50:01	phrik	Title: systemd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-27 18:50:04	tpr	HandleLidSwitch* options
2021-08-27 18:50:35	thurstylark	I asked about DE because some ship with componets that take power management functionality over
2021-08-27 18:51:13	tpr	yeah, normally you configure that in your DE's settings :)
2021-08-27 18:53:28	thurstylark	yup. dealt with it a bit yesterday
2021-08-27 18:56:42	dotz0cat[m]	Too bad you can’t just grab a power manager and use it standalone
2021-08-27 18:58:47	tpr	why couldn't you?
2021-08-27 19:00:24	tpr	or well, who knows without taking a look how deeply it's all integrated there. but I wouldn't be surprised if powerdevil works just fine outside full plasma desktop
2021-08-27 19:04:14	jayray	any reason to have a fallback image? I have an old box with a 100mb boot that would be a serious pita to resize...
2021-08-27 19:04:57	jayray	pita like I'll resize when I build a new box
2021-08-27 19:04:57	Scimmia	mostly in case autodetect removes too much and leaves you unable to mount the root partition
2021-08-27 19:05:01	dagle	jayray: You can have an usb stick that you could boot into instead.
2021-08-27 19:05:15	jayray	its a rented box in a colo
2021-08-27 19:05:19	MrElendig	jayray: you can fit one kernel with a fallback in 100mib
2021-08-27 19:05:35	colo	plase do not put boxed inside me :'(
2021-08-27 19:05:39	colo	boxes*
2021-08-27 19:05:49	colo	please*
2021-08-27 19:05:59	jayray	currently I have kernel w slim and fallback eating about 75mb
2021-08-27 19:06:04	colo	typing is hard with rented boxes inside you, it seems
2021-08-27 19:06:13	jayray	:< sorry colo but I am paying for it
2021-08-27 19:06:31	colo	jayray, then it is OK I guess. profit before people and everything.
2021-08-27 19:06:55	jayray	MrElendig: my problem is with the ever growing code I will as some point run out of room.. its fine for today
2021-08-27 19:07:10	MrElendig	unlikely to run out of space anytime soon
2021-08-27 19:07:29	MrElendig	and you can trim down the fallback image a bit too
2021-08-27 19:07:41	jayray	if I have ipmi and can mount a CD and boot the iso.. shouldnt be a problem I would think?
2021-08-27 19:08:07	jayray	maybe I am looking for emotional support for my bad partitioning decisions of 5 years ago
2021-08-27 19:08:28	jayray	50mb is enough - jayray of 2005
2021-08-27 19:08:29	thurstylark	the kernel may be changing constantly, but that's not always in the "grow" direction :P
2021-08-27 19:08:37	Scimmia	could always get rid of the autodetected initramfs and just use the fallback
2021-08-27 19:08:47	jayray	100mb is enough - jayray 2015
2021-08-27 19:09:14	jayray	Scimmia: I may do that, but I think I would favor the auto bc its smaller? idk
2021-08-27 19:10:19	thurstylark	it's at this point that I usually start asking "how much of a pita is it going to be to work around this vs just fixing the thing?" :P
2021-08-27 19:24:03	jayray	yea thurstylark... I was looking into deleting the swap that was in the lvm, resizing both the lvm and /boot then putting everything back in working order.. margin for error is pretty high on a box I cant put my hands on. I could make images of the partitions and get rid of lvm all together.. but then still the problem of a remote box and relying on the internet for file copies.. so no to that..
2021-08-27 19:24:03	jayray	getting 
2021-08-27 19:24:09	jayray	rid of the fallback is my fallback until I relocate to a new box sometime in the coming years :|
2021-08-27 19:24:12	jayray	woah sorry for long line
2021-08-27 19:25:57	jayray	on the upside I did get to test my install script while making a test box to experiment with lvm resizing and it worked fine :)
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2021-08-28 15:15:09	NetSysFire	if all devices misbehave, are you sure its not the port or hub?
2021-08-28 15:15:31	ascor	I have had no issues during its entire lifetime when I was using it under Windows
2021-08-28 15:15:33	NetSysFire	you can try using a known-good liveiso of some sort and if it starts working, its the kernel
2021-08-28 15:15:50	NetSysFire	and autosuspend should be handled by sysctl or similar i am fairly sure
2021-08-28 15:16:02	NetSysFire	you dont need to recompile your kernel for that
2021-08-28 15:16:49	ascor	I should note that the most troublesome hub is the one connected to the keyboard
2021-08-28 15:17:15	Namarrgon	-110 often indicates ESD issues
2021-08-28 15:17:30	ascor	The keyboard itself has never stopped working but like I said, if other devices start acting up, the leds won't update anymore
2021-08-28 15:17:35	NetSysFire	what does ESD stand for?
2021-08-28 15:17:47	NetSysFire	did you try using them without the hub so you can make sure its not the hub?
2021-08-28 15:18:52	ascor	I could give that a try but the reason I have to use it at all is because I've got VR Gear connected and that's taking up all my motherboard USB 3.0's
2021-08-28 15:19:57	NetSysFire	we have to make sure its not a hardware issue
2021-08-28 15:20:06	NetSysFire	no software setting will help you with that
2021-08-28 15:20:15	ascor	As of right now, the hub is still working but the LEDs have stopped updating
2021-08-28 15:21:17	ascor	I'll rule out the hub tho, you're right.
2021-08-28 15:22:05	cyphertite	ascor:  and after, a hub unplug/replug, what happens?
2021-08-28 15:22:25	ascor	I've just plugged my mouse into a regular USB port and instantly got read/8 -110 on dmesg
2021-08-28 15:25:06	ascor_	I had to force reboot, replugging the keyboard caused it to stop working
2021-08-28 15:25:49	Namarrgon	NetSysFire: poorly grounded hubs tend to build up charge where they aren't supposed to
2021-08-28 15:26:11	ascor_	Hub is a DASKeyboard professional, mouse is a roccat kone EMP
2021-08-28 15:26:13	NetSysFire	ascor_: you should definitely test this in a liveiso to rule out hw issues
2021-08-28 15:27:07	ascor_	Alright, gimme a minute to make a USB
2021-08-28 15:27:42	NetSysFire	if possible, ensure its a known-good which you know worked once, just in case of a regression
2021-08-28 15:27:55	ascor_	I just remembered that I left out some crucial information. i'm on arch-linux-hardened with ryzen support enabled
2021-08-28 15:31:41	ascor_	I'll report back with the results of the live-iso
2021-08-28 15:46:06	Shapesniffer	Hi. I messed up my system somehow. My laptop ran out of battery. I attempted to use an underpowered USB charger. It didn't help. I use LUKS, uefi, grub. The initramfs starts, but it hangs at "Finished Coldplug All udev Devices." with "A start job is running for /dev/1321/root...". Eventually it fails but can't drop to a console because "Canno open
2021-08-28 15:46:07	Shapesniffer	access to console, the root account is locked.". I made a USB arch live stick and booted it. But there, I cannot at all find the disk. As in, no /dev/sd* or maybe I think it should be /dev/nvme... something... I don't remember. In any case, blkid doesn't show it. No apparent errors in journalctl. I'm at a loss. Especially since the initramfs still
2021-08-28 15:46:07	Shapesniffer	starts, meaning the disk is still alive.
2021-08-28 15:47:10	Namarrgon	were the firmware settings reset to default?
2021-08-28 15:47:27	Namarrgon	find the disk controller mode and make sure it's still set to AHCI
2021-08-28 15:48:43	th0rne	Also, 'lsblk' shows the disks/partitions.
2021-08-28 15:49:43	Shapesniffer	Huh in the BIOS the SATA Operation is set to "RAID On" ("Intel Rapid Restore Technology"). I'm setting it to AHCI, I think you're right that's what it should have been. Let's hope it doesn't break anything more.
2021-08-28 15:51:27	Shapesniffer	Namarrgon: great tip! thanks, it worked.
2021-08-28 15:51:28	NetSysFire	a simple power outage shouldnt have reset that. maybe the cmos is on its last legs too?
2021-08-28 15:52:28	Shapesniffer	it IS a rather disappointing laptop. Dell XPS 13 2020. When I ran the self test today it informed me that the battery is almost dead. Indeed it only lasts about 2-3 hours. Also the webcam and fingerprint scanner don't work in linux. cannot recommend.
2021-08-28 15:53:02	HEX0	2 hours better than no charge :P
2021-08-28 15:53:30	NetSysFire	noooooooo
2021-08-28 15:53:34	NetSysFire	they left
2021-08-28 15:53:41	NetSysFire	i would have recommended libfprint-2-tod1-xps9300-bin
2021-08-28 15:54:30	Shapeshifter	I'm still here ^^
2021-08-28 15:54:40	NetSysFire	oh good
2021-08-28 15:54:51	NetSysFire	try that package if its a goodix fingerprint reader
2021-08-28 15:55:12	Shapeshifter	It is. I'll give it a try, thanks. Seems like there are billions of goodix variants.
2021-08-28 15:55:34	NetSysFire	upstream still hasnt fixed their fprintd version so it requires a partial upgrade still, blergh
2021-08-28 15:56:11	Shapeshifter	This particular XPS model is a particular Griff in's Klo because they released their 'ubuntu developer' version of the non 2-in-1 shortly after which kinda works mostly.
2021-08-28 15:57:00	NetSysFire	ouch
2021-08-28 15:57:10	NetSysFire	your laptop may have a laptop page with useful tips
2021-08-28 15:59:27	Shapeshifter	I contributed to that page ^^
2021-08-28 16:05:25	th0rne	Can I login on remote tty1 over ssh, if that makes sense?
2021-08-28 16:05:25	th0rne	So the remote user would see '$ ' instead of 'archlinux login: '?
2021-08-28 16:06:10	Mysterytrain	you cant pick which tty you log into over ssh, if that's what you're meaning
2021-08-28 16:07:20	th0rne	Can I login on any of them?
2021-08-28 16:09:09	Namarrgon	what are you trying to do?
2021-08-28 16:09:35	Namarrgon	the ssh server connects to a pty, not a tty
2021-08-28 16:11:24	th0rne	Is there some other way to login a local user remotely?
2021-08-28 16:11:42	th0rne	Maybe I don't need to do this.
2021-08-28 16:11:51	rcf	th0rne: you could send fake input events and guess at what response they produce 
2021-08-28 16:11:56	Namarrgon	what are you trying to do?
2021-08-28 16:12:30	th0rne	I'm trying to use this other machine that has no keyboard. I was hoping to start some wm, but perhaps I can do that without logging in the tty.
2021-08-28 16:12:59	Mysterytrain	wouldn't that be x11 forwarding
2021-08-28 16:13:12	rcf	th0rne: see ydotool 
2021-08-28 16:13:25	Namarrgon	what's the point? a kiosk system?
2021-08-28 16:13:37	rcf	th0rne: or anything else that can do uinput 
2021-08-28 16:13:42	th0rne	rcf❱ Ok, thanks.
2021-08-28 16:14:02	th0rne	Namarrgon❱ It's a machine I eventually plan to use with a remote, but I haven't set it up yet.
2021-08-28 16:14:22	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xinit#Autostart_X_at_login
2021-08-28 16:14:23	phrik	Title: xinit - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-28 16:14:40	rcf	th0rne: a display manager that runs with something like synergy/barrier are also an option, and in fact how I use most of my systems. 
2021-08-28 16:15:37	th0rne	I mean right now I'm just looking for a temporary solution so I can test things. Eventually, I think just the autologin, X autostart, and the remote will be fine.
2021-08-28 16:15:53	rcf	I believe there is also a uinput synergy client even that you could run as a system service to share the keyboard 
2021-08-28 16:16:11	th0rne	Ok, thanks.
2021-08-28 16:16:52	rcf	You might as well setup the automatic login; the setup for anything else is going to be just as much effort. The only true way to quickly test things is a spare keyboard. 
2021-08-28 16:17:22	th0rne	Fair.
2021-08-28 16:17:43	th0rne	But is it possible to startx/wayland on :0 or whatever if you've logged in from a pty? I guess not?
2021-08-28 16:17:56	rcf	That's what a display manager can do for you. 
2021-08-28 16:18:14	th0rne	Oh, I see.
2021-08-28 16:20:46	rcf	th0rne: if this is for your new kodi setup, see kodi-standalone-service in the AUR. 
2021-08-28 16:21:08	th0rne	Heh. :)
2021-08-28 16:22:10	th0rne	It is, but I'm not entirely happy with kodi, so I thought about trying to roll out my own "kodi" using ranger and mpv. (And the flirc remote thing.)
2021-08-28 16:22:11	jelle	rcf: hmm why did I never package that one
2021-08-28 16:22:54	rcf	What issues has kodi given you
2021-08-28 16:23:11	jelle	rcf: it only segfaults with some twitch streams /o\
2021-08-28 16:23:21	th0rne	Yeah, the twitch support is disasterous.
2021-08-28 16:23:39	jelle	nah, it worked fine th0rne 
2021-08-28 16:23:39	th0rne	But also the indexing service misses some things, so I ended up using the file browser anyway.
2021-08-28 16:23:47	th0rne	jelle❱ For me it often hasn't.
2021-08-28 16:23:58	jelle	th0rne: what happened, crashes?
2021-08-28 16:23:59	th0rne	Sometimes it's some minor issues, but sometimes it just doesn't work at all.
2021-08-28 16:24:20	th0rne	No like, I just see nothing. It kept trying to load the ads forever.
2021-08-28 16:24:34	th0rne	And this was coming from a working setup that just mysteriously broke.
2021-08-28 16:24:49	jelle	hmmmmm
2021-08-28 16:24:54	rcf	I eventually gave into the temptations of satan and bought an apple tv, but one workaround that could help is the sendtokodi youtube-dl addon. 
2021-08-28 16:25:09	rcf	No need to fuss about with plugins, if it works with youtube-dl, you can watch it 
2021-08-28 16:25:35	th0rne	Oh, interesting.
2021-08-28 16:26:13	th0rne	Anyway, I'm not trying to hate on kodi - I like kodi. I just wanted to try it another way.
2021-08-28 16:26:22	jelle	rcf: I do like having the kodi app on android and sharing youtube videos to kodi
2021-08-28 16:26:24	rcf	No browsing, but the guy has an app that adds a share option to send to kodi so if you've got a phone, it works
2021-08-28 16:27:15	jelle	uhu
2021-08-28 16:27:20	rcf	jelle: that's basically what this does except also for us iOS heathens and also for every site youtube-dl supports 
2021-08-28 16:27:30	jelle	rcf: oic
2021-08-28 16:29:21	ascor	I'm having a little bit of a struggle creating an arch live iso. All my tried methods result in an arch-install medium but that's not what I want, is it?
2021-08-28 16:29:47	Namarrgon	that's the only iso we have
2021-08-28 16:30:20	ascor	Ah right. So I should try it with another distro or...?
2021-08-28 16:30:29	th0rne	What is it that you do want?
2021-08-28 16:30:32	Namarrgon	you boot it and you get a shell, whether you install arch from there or do something else is upt to you
2021-08-28 16:30:53	th0rne	You can use your arch install medium to install arch on a stick if you want.
2021-08-28 16:31:32	ascor	@th0rne trying to determine if it's faulty hardware or my arch install that's causing problems with USB
2021-08-28 16:31:59	ascor	Considering I don't have any issues with it on Windows, I doubt it's H/W tho
2021-08-28 16:32:21	th0rne	What usb problems?
2021-08-28 16:32:45	ascor	 read/8 [error -110] on shutdown, LEDS on keyboard no longer working, mouse stops working and won't wake up again, etc
2021-08-28 16:33:19	ascor	It also seems to suspend my Logitech G29 Racing wheel mid-boot-up-spin (it spins its full rotation when plugged in to check itself, I guess)
2021-08-28 16:34:33	th0rne	I mean if they work on windows, then clearly the problem is your arch setup, no?
2021-08-28 16:34:47	ascor	So I would assume but I was told to try a live install anyway
2021-08-28 16:35:17	ascor	I have the following USB Devices connected: DASKeyboard professional, Scarlett 2i2 USB Audio, Roccat Kone EMP, Occulus Rift tracker (2x) and Occulus Rift itself.
2021-08-28 16:35:42	ascor	I'm running openHMD for the rift with a steamvr patch
2021-08-28 16:35:50	Namarrgon	are they all connected to the same hub?
2021-08-28 16:36:27	ascor	No, the rift (and trackers), the usb audio and the keyboard are connected to the PC, my mouse and G29 are on the keyboards hub
2021-08-28 16:36:39	ascor	*motherboard, not pc
2021-08-28 16:36:58	th0rne	And this windows installation, it's on the same physical machine? And the usb devices work connected in the same configuration?
2021-08-28 16:37:09	ascor	Yep.
2021-08-28 16:37:17	Namarrgon	when devices fail it happens across different hubs?
2021-08-28 16:38:25	ascor	I assume so based on these observations: Both the keyboard hub and the actual keyboard itself start having issues (keyboard LEDs stop working, which makes me assume that the motherboard hubs are also broken) and replugging the mouse into a motherboard slot also starts giving me read/8's
2021-08-28 16:38:41	Namarrgon	"lsusb.py -I"
2021-08-28 16:39:12	ascor	lsusb is a python script?
2021-08-28 16:39:20	Namarrgon	no but lsusb.py is
2021-08-28 16:39:32	ascor	Oh, right, that's an I not an l
2021-08-28 16:40:11	ascor	one sec, gotta reboot, mouse stopped working again :P
2021-08-28 16:40:49	th0rne	You could bind a hotkey to start terminal.
2021-08-28 16:42:04	ascor	lsusb.py -I output: https://pastebin.com/E82SzD6g
2021-08-28 16:42:04	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-tEq.txt
2021-08-28 16:42:05	phrik	Title: usb1 1d6b:0002 09 1IF [USB 2.00, 480 Mbps, 0mA] (xhci-hcd 0000 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-28 16:43:15	ascor	Ah, hold on.
2021-08-28 16:43:20	Namarrgon	what do you see in the kernel log after stuff fails?
2021-08-28 16:43:28	ascor	Missing one sensor and the wheel
2021-08-28 16:43:58	ascor	full output: https://pastebin.com/Kwj14Kmq
2021-08-28 16:43:59	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-tET.txt
2021-08-28 16:43:59	phrik	Title: usb1 1d6b:0002 09 1IF [USB 2.00, 480 Mbps, 0mA] (xhci-hcd 0000 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-28 16:44:22	ascor	I'll wait for a fail and tell you, shouldn't take too long
2021-08-28 16:44:40	ascor	dmesg or journalctl?
2021-08-28 16:45:02	Namarrgon	they contain the same kernel log
2021-08-28 16:45:35	Namarrgon	unplug as many devices as possible, plug the device back in one by one untill you can reproduce the issue
2021-08-28 16:45:49	ascor	reset SuperSpeed Gen 1 USB device number 3 using xhci_hcd
2021-08-28 16:46:02	ascor	and then the device descriptor read/8's
2021-08-28 16:46:10	Namarrgon	post complete logs
2021-08-28 16:49:14	ascor	sorry about these frequent joins
2021-08-28 16:49:54	ascor	complete dmesg: https://pastebin.com/MX5t3zp5
2021-08-28 16:49:55	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-tEM.txt
2021-08-28 16:49:55	phrik	Title: [ 0.000000] Linux version 5.12.19-hardened1-1-hardened (linux-hardened@archli - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-28 16:50:35	Namarrgon	"archisobasedir=arch archisolabel=ARCH_202105 ro rw root=UUID=07ceb526-23c9-4188-8abd-5ebec980bba1 initrd=boot\initramfs-linux-hardened.img"
2021-08-28 16:50:37	ascor	I've unplugged the rift for now, I think that's the most likely culprit
2021-08-28 16:50:39	Namarrgon	how did that happen?
2021-08-28 16:50:53	ascor	That's a pretty messed up cmd line, I know
2021-08-28 16:51:04	ascor	archisolabel is a remnant from my installatio
2021-08-28 16:51:24	ascor	ro rw is because I was unsure what to mount my rootfs as
2021-08-28 16:51:25	Namarrgon	clean it up and -Syu and reboot
2021-08-28 16:51:32	Namarrgon	remove the 'ro'
2021-08-28 16:52:00	ascor	Here's another question. If I -Syu will it still respect my custom kernel config?
2021-08-28 16:52:16	Namarrgon	what did you customize?
2021-08-28 16:52:52	ascor	Added ryzen support according to this gentoo article (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Ryzen#Kernel) the arch wiki linked
2021-08-28 16:52:54	phrik	Title: Ryzen - Gentoo Wiki (at wiki.gentoo.org)
2021-08-28 16:53:12	Namarrgon	no, you need to rebuild the kernel for that
2021-08-28 16:54:07	ascor	Fair enough.
2021-08-28 16:54:28	Namarrgon	test it with the stock kernel first, just to make sure that that isn't hte source of your problems...
2021-08-28 16:55:45	susi	how'd I check page allocator randomization is enabled (or disabled), "page_alloc.shuffle".. tried grepping "allocat" from logs
2021-08-28 16:56:15	susi	"For this reason, by default, the randomization is enabled only after runtime detection of a direct-mapped memory-side-cache." (the config is =y)
2021-08-28 16:56:15	ascor	I've unplugged the rift btw and so far so good.
2021-08-28 16:58:52	ascor	Alright, -Syu (went with -Syyu for good measure) and reboot, Rift unplugged, I'll see if the problem persists.
2021-08-28 17:01:43	Namarrgon	did that update the kernel to 5.13.13?
2021-08-28 17:02:43	ascor	Yeah
2021-08-28 17:03:14	ascor	It's looking pretty good so far, you've seen how quickly it messes up usually
2021-08-28 17:03:30	ascor	So the culprit might be the Rift
2021-08-28 17:04:00	ascor	I'll give it another 15 minutes or so and then try plugging it in
2021-08-28 17:05:38	tirnanog	susi: it would be, because the hardened kernel incorporates page_alloc.shuffle=1 into its default cmdline.
2021-08-28 17:05:50	susi	tirnanog: I don't have hardened kernel
2021-08-28 17:06:10	susi	I was thinking about should I manually add it or not, but I don't want to bloat cmdline if it's runtime-enabled anyways
2021-08-28 17:06:13	tirnanog	oh, sorry. I thought you were commenting on somebody else's kernel. misread the start of the sentence.
2021-08-28 17:07:41	tirnanog	anyway, if you want to enable it, even in the absence of a direct-mapped memory-side-cache, you would need to specify that option unless it's already part of your cmdline. that's why the hardened kernel does so.
2021-08-28 17:08:44	susi	I'm looking into ACPI 6.2a spec to find how the platform advertises it :)
2021-08-28 17:11:41	tirnanog	susi: cat /sys/module/page_alloc/parameters/shuffle will show Y in the case that the kernel elected to enable it.
2021-08-28 17:12:44	susi	"N" :( not sure if I should enable it then...
2021-08-28 17:14:01	susi	I'll do it
2021-08-28 17:14:04	tirnanog	if you want it, the hardened kernel is probably going to better suit you anyway.
2021-08-28 17:15:36	susi	i have it installed, as well Con Koliva's, and Zen... rn I opt to use zen with random hardenizations
2021-08-28 17:15:44	tirnanog	I see.
2021-08-28 17:17:47	ascor	Replugging the rift hasn't caused any issues so far.
2021-08-28 17:17:59	ascor	I'll see what the behaviour is like when I have it plugged in on boot.
2021-08-28 17:29:10	ascor	So it looks like the Rift is only causing these issues when it is plugged in on boot, plugging it in after boot doesn't cause read/8's
2021-08-28 17:30:05	ascor	nvm, there they are. So we've identified the culprit. I'll switch to #GamingOnLinux for further support, thanks for all the help @namarggon et al
2021-08-28 17:42:42	bofoi	:)
2021-08-28 17:44:26	NetSysFire	:/
2021-08-28 17:49:51	Mysterytrain	well so much fer that
2021-08-28 18:23:47	lambda	you can install in MBR regardless of whether EFI is enabled or not though
2021-08-28 18:24:08	kevr	you can, but i doubt it'd boot into shit
2021-08-28 18:24:27	kevr	which usually means people end up here with a broken install trying to figure out how to fix it
2021-08-28 18:24:35	kevr	or somewhere else
2021-08-28 18:24:50	ulteq	What would be the most simple way to remove 'hipstopgm' from bash autocompletion?
2021-08-28 18:25:16	ulteq	Aside from uninstalling it
2021-08-28 18:30:42	low-key	i just tried connecting to my vpn with sudo wg-quick up wg0 and got an ERROR: Unknown device type
2021-08-28 18:30:59	low-key	Unable to access interface: Protocol not supported
2021-08-28 18:31:02	Namarrgon	uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2021-08-28 18:31:17	low-key	Though it might be an issue with my config file and tried connecting manually
2021-08-28 18:31:29	low-key	sudo ip link add dev wg0 type wireguard 
2021-08-28 18:31:34	low-key	but that too returns the same error
2021-08-28 18:31:38	low-key	Namarrgon: was that for me?
2021-08-28 18:31:41	Namarrgon	yep
2021-08-28 18:32:03	low-key	5.13.12-arch1-1 linux 5.13.13.arch1-1
2021-08-28 18:32:28	low-key	Tried sudo modprobe wireguard and got this: modprobe: FATAL: Module wireguard not found in directory /lib/modules/5.13.12-arch1-1
2021-08-28 18:32:37	Namarrgon	wireguard is built as a module
2021-08-28 18:32:47	low-key	I've not touched my wireguard config in months now though and always connected using wg-quick
2021-08-28 18:32:54	Namarrgon	it wasn't loaded when you updated the kernel and the update removed it, so you can't load it anymore
2021-08-28 18:32:59	low-key	First time I'm seeing this error
2021-08-28 18:33:03	low-key	Oh
2021-08-28 18:34:02	low-key	mkinitcpio time?
2021-08-28 18:34:15	Namarrgon	wrong conclusion, try again
2021-08-28 18:34:20	low-key	But it isn't loaded now either
2021-08-28 18:34:29	Namarrgon	it no longer exists
2021-08-28 18:34:44	low-key	But the only wireguard installation I did was for the userspace tools?
2021-08-28 18:34:50	low-key	How can I get the kernel module?
2021-08-28 18:34:53	Namarrgon	mkinitcpio builds initramfs images, it doesn't ressurect dead modules
2021-08-28 18:35:00	low-key	Fair enough
2021-08-28 18:35:03	Namarrgon	you reboot into the new kernel
2021-08-28 18:35:10	low-key	Oh, that's all?
2021-08-28 18:35:16	Namarrgon	that's all
2021-08-28 18:35:20	low-key	I'll be back!
2021-08-28 18:35:58	gr33n7007h	ulteq: EXECIGNORE=$(which hipstopgm)
2021-08-28 18:36:38	low-key	i have returned and am successfully connected to my vpn! :D
2021-08-28 18:36:40	low-key	thanks a lot
2021-08-28 18:36:53	low-key	i didn't know reboots after updates were important in arch as well
2021-08-28 18:37:08	ulteq	gr33n7007h: I'll give it a try, thanks!
2021-08-28 18:37:16	Namarrgon	low-key: kernel updates are the exception
2021-08-28 18:37:24	gr33n7007h	ulteq: sure, np!
2021-08-28 18:37:26	Namarrgon	everything else can be restarted
2021-08-28 18:37:34	MrElendig	and depends on which modules you had loaded before the update
2021-08-28 18:38:11	low-key	i see
2021-08-28 18:38:16	low-key	thanks, i'll keep this in mind going ahead
2021-08-28 18:38:23	ulteq	gr33n7007h: Works like a charm. You just made my day!
2021-08-28 18:39:00	gr33n7007h	ulteq: 👍
2021-08-28 18:39:20	ulteq	Will it survive a reboot?
2021-08-28 18:39:40	gr33n7007h	ulteq: no
2021-08-28 18:39:46	ulteq	I have to append 'export EXECIGNORE=$(which hipstopgm)' into my bashrc?
2021-08-28 18:39:56	gr33n7007h	ulteq: that'll work.
2021-08-28 18:39:59	ulteq	kk
2021-08-28 18:40:42	ulteq	gr33n7007h: I feel bad for asking in the first place, because I read: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/314631/hide-some-commands-from-bash-completion/314638#314638
2021-08-28 18:40:43	phrik	Title: autocomplete - Hide some commands from bash completion? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2021-08-28 18:41:06	gr33n7007h	ulteq: hehe :)
2021-08-28 18:41:11	ulteq	gr33n7007h: But I did not realise that I can simply execute this command in bash :facepalm:
2021-08-28 18:41:25	ulteq	gr33n7007h: I was looking for it in /usr/share/bash-completion/bash_completion
2021-08-28 18:41:58	gr33n7007h	ulteq: ah, well now you know :p
2021-08-28 18:44:44	ulteq	gr33n7007h: Yeah, and I'm glad I came here.
2021-08-28 18:44:52	ulteq	gr33n7007h: I love Arch. :)
2021-08-28 18:45:26	gr33n7007h	ulteq: Arch is life!
2021-08-28 18:46:48	NetSysFire	!as
2021-08-28 18:46:49	phrik	Arch Sucks™
2021-08-28 18:46:59	low-key	how can one get the app_id of bemenu?
2021-08-28 18:47:22	low-key	i'm on sway and running swaymsg -t get_tree | rg app_id doesn't seem to pick it up
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2021-08-28 19:31:34	CandyAngel	Heyas everyone. I have installed and set up bluez-alsa-git and it works (I can play audio using aplay), but only when aplay is run with "sudo". Otherwise, I get an error saying the PCM list couldn't be fetched
2021-08-28 19:32:02	CandyAngel	I am in the "audio" group, which I believe is the group I need to be in for permissions via dbus.. but not sure how to find out why it isn't working
2021-08-28 19:32:16	CandyAngel	(I think it is a dbus permission issue?)
2021-08-28 19:32:40	◣	Crescendo (~Crescendo@user/crescendo) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
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2021-08-28 19:33:14	MrElendig	don't need to be a member of audio to use sound locally
2021-08-28 19:33:18	Namarrgon	why do you think that it's a dbus issue? the audio group has little to do with dbus
2021-08-28 19:33:22	MrElendig	also you should use pipewire
2021-08-28 19:33:32	Namarrgon	or at least pa
2021-08-28 19:34:19	CandyAngel	Namarrgon: Because when I use sudo, it works.. and there is a specific bit in the dbus configuration for allowing access to those in the "audio" group
2021-08-28 19:36:05	MrElendig	CandyAngel: note: abusing sudo can break things for your normal user
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2021-08-28 19:38:10	CandyAngel	MrElendig: It wasn't working to be broken, but I get what you mean :P
2021-08-28 19:38:19	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-28 19:38:59	CandyAngel	I tried "sudo" last, just to see if it would actually work
2021-08-28 19:41:06	CandyAngel	!paste
2021-08-28 19:41:06	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-28 19:41:57	CandyAngel	https://bpa.st/JTRQ
2021-08-28 19:41:58	phrik	Title: View paste JTRQ (at bpa.st)
2021-08-28 19:42:18	CandyAngel	That looks like dbus rejecting sending the message..?
2021-08-28 19:43:34	CandyAngel	Nothing shows up on dbus-monitor though
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2021-08-28 19:48:42	MrElendig	if you want functional bt audio, don't use alsa
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2021-08-28 19:51:52	CandyAngel	sudo it is then
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2021-08-28 19:54:25	colo	does anyone of you run win10 guests under archlinux-hosted qemu, and gets a decent audio experience from that guest system (using pa on the archlinux host)? despite following advice such as https://old.reddit.com/r/VFIO/comments/ibmjs3/finally_fixed_crackling_audio_when_passing/ I cannot get rid of crackling and distortion.
2021-08-28 19:54:35	phrik	Title: Finally fixed crackling audio when passing through PulseAudio to QEMU with Win10 guest : VFIO (at old.reddit.com)
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2021-08-28 19:56:58	RobertBolitho	hey all
2021-08-28 19:57:13	NetSysFire	!welcomerpg
2021-08-28 19:57:14	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how many .pacnew files you ignored.
2021-08-28 19:57:41	RobertBolitho	came in a few hours ago about a fishy connection that looked like an NTP server (port 123)
2021-08-28 19:58:23	RobertBolitho	that was appearing on bandwhich
2021-08-28 19:59:25	RobertBolitho	I think what happened is that the lookup service bandwhich used had an old reference, because whois 2.arch.pool.net.org gives the same IP address as my fishy url (quickdrivingcancellations.com)
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2021-08-28 19:59:55	RobertBolitho	so, all is in the clear and I have a plausible explanation for what has happened
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2021-08-28 20:01:48	NetSysFire	sounds like weird rdns?
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2021-08-28 20:02:53	CandyAngel	colo: For what it's worth (not very much), when I set up my VMs I couldn't get audio to be decent regardless and now just have USB sounds cards for them..
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2021-08-28 20:12:47	RobertBolitho	NetSysFire it was 5 pacnew files, I just checked
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2021-08-28 20:13:19	NetSysFire	it was just a random welcome which i created some months ago
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2021-08-28 20:13:31	NetSysFire	but many seek help here for problems caused by ignoring pacnew files
2021-08-28 20:14:07	colo	CandyAngel, I just managed to massivle improve quality by messing around with sample rates at various levels (pa default, qemu pa output, windows guest sound server default)
2021-08-28 20:14:11	teraflops	NetSysFire: you should pay a fee for bot abusing
2021-08-28 20:14:30	NetSysFire	i already became wiki maintainer is that enough?
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2021-08-28 20:14:40	teraflops	no if you ask me
2021-08-28 20:14:49	teraflops	this is not the wiki
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2021-08-28 20:17:03	RobertBolitho	he as far as I'm concerned it pushed me to do things I should already have done, so no complaints..
2021-08-28 20:17:09	NetSysFire	so how many archcoins are due?
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2021-08-28 20:17:30	NetSysFire	i also doubt that he is 100% serious
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2021-08-28 20:18:19	teraflops	heh, let's agree a 60% of sincerity, which movie is this?
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2021-08-28 20:19:01	colo	pa default 96000, qemu audiodev initialized with "pa,out.frequency=96000" and using -device ich9-intel-hda, with windows sampling at 48000Hz seems to work perfectly for me!
2021-08-28 20:19:03	teraflops	RobertBolitho: no, I wasn't serious
2021-08-28 20:19:07	ℹ 	Malinux- es conocido ahora como Malinux
2021-08-28 20:20:05	teraflops	96000? are you plating 1 bit music?
2021-08-28 20:20:20	teraflops	playing^
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2021-08-28 20:25:36	CandyAngel	colo: That's good to hear! I will probably revisit it when I do my next vfio build (mine was old when I built it.. in 2016 :P)
2021-08-28 20:25:50	CandyAngel	32GB maximum RAM is a bit limiting!
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2021-08-28 20:26:26	MrElendig	good thing ddr5 will come with 512gb sticks
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2021-08-28 20:26:40	CandyAngel	Ooo
2021-08-28 20:26:54	MrElendig	and we will have server boards with 32 dim slots
2021-08-28 20:28:10	th0rne	Won't need swap anymore then, I guess?
2021-08-28 20:28:11	teraflops	good for building Oracle servers :P
2021-08-28 20:28:22	MrElendig	will still OOM while compiling firefox
2021-08-28 20:28:35	teraflops	th0rne: that's another matter
2021-08-28 20:28:39	CandyAngel	Or running it!
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2021-08-28 20:28:43	teraflops	lol
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2021-08-28 20:30:03	teraflops	phrik: give th0rne whyswap
2021-08-28 20:30:03	phrik	th0rne: https://chrisdown.name/2018/01/02/in-defence-of-swap.html
2021-08-28 20:30:36	th0rne	Did they know about 512G RAM sticks in 2018?
2021-08-28 20:31:04	MrElendig	that they would come relatively soon? yes
2021-08-28 20:31:11	th0rne	Oh, ok.
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2021-08-28 20:32:13	MrElendig	after all hynix made 128gb ddr4 modules as early as 2014
2021-08-28 20:32:23	teraflops	it's not about how much physical memory you have
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2021-08-28 20:32:45	MrElendig	thats what he said
2021-08-28 20:33:38	teraflops	I misinterpreted it then
2021-08-28 20:33:49	MrElendig	256gb sticks came out in 2019 iirc
2021-08-28 20:34:00	MrElendig	teraflops: reverse "thats what she said" joke
2021-08-28 20:34:24	Mysterytrain	I believe there's 1 tb sticks now
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2021-08-28 20:35:09	teraflops	there is stuff that will eat those sticks as they were made of chocolate 
2021-08-28 20:35:16	Mysterytrain	nope I was wrong. 512 gb ddr5 from samsung
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2021-08-28 20:35:31	Mysterytrain	SEOUL, Korea, March 25, 2021 — Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd., a world leader in advanced memory technology, today announced that it has expanded its DDR5 DRAM memory portfolio with the industry’s first 512GB DDR5 module based on High-K Metal Gate (HKMG) process technology.
2021-08-28 20:35:31	MrElendig	512gb ddr5 is the current largest sticks
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2021-08-28 20:36:04	MrElendig	for standard formats anyway
2021-08-28 20:36:17	Mysterytrain	how many boards can take em
2021-08-28 20:36:40	MrElendig	very few currently since pretty much only power does ddr5 atm
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2021-08-28 20:37:01	MrElendig	will change in a couple of months
2021-08-28 20:37:25	teraflops	we have machines at work with 150+ cores and 3+tb ram for running oracle db instances
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2021-08-28 20:39:36	th0rne	teraflops❱ Ok, so he recommends 2-3G of swap?
2021-08-28 20:39:45	teraflops	much more
2021-08-28 20:40:08	teraflops	as in oracle won't install either, same for a big ass /tmp
2021-08-28 20:40:09	grawlinson	>oracle
2021-08-28 20:40:12	grawlinson	poor you
2021-08-28 20:40:14	grawlinson	:p
2021-08-28 20:40:26	teraflops	I do not care that much
2021-08-28 20:40:31	teraflops	it's work
2021-08-28 20:40:35	grawlinson	that's true
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2021-08-28 20:41:30	Dweezahr	Just installed arch 4 weeks ago, suddenly today my touchpad is working, good times :)
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2021-08-28 20:41:54	grawlinson	that's a first
2021-08-28 20:42:03	grawlinson	user coming into the IRC channel to say something actually works :D
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2021-08-28 20:42:12	teraflops	heh
2021-08-28 20:42:16	Dweezahr	haha yeah
2021-08-28 20:42:26	grawlinson	was it a kernel update or something?
2021-08-28 20:42:39	Dweezahr	something with libinput I guess?
2021-08-28 20:42:43	Dweezahr	not sure what happened
2021-08-28 20:42:58	teraflops	that or the kernel I guess
2021-08-28 20:43:05	mitch0	you accidently hit the hotkey that toggles the touchpad :)
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2021-08-28 20:43:12	th0rne	What does this mean? I don't understand. "* Build a `setcap(8)` wrapper for `bandwhich` with the following rules: `cap_sys_ptrace,cap_dac_read_search,cap_net_raw,cap_net_admin+ep`"
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2021-08-28 20:43:16	Dweezahr	nah, no such  keys on thinkpads
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2021-08-28 20:43:32	Dweezahr	maybe some update, its a thinkpad p1, quite new
2021-08-28 20:43:40	mitch0	well, it's ctrl-alt-t for me :)
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2021-08-28 20:43:51	mitch0	(on a t490)
2021-08-28 20:44:15	Dweezahr	hmm, for me it opens a terminal and that's it, it still has a working touchpad
2021-08-28 20:44:36	mitch0	yeah, it's a custom keybind in kde
2021-08-28 20:45:41	Dweezahr	I like the Kde experience, have been using linux headless for a long time, gui works well, even with wayland
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2021-08-28 20:47:20	MrElendig	Dweezahr: as long as you only have a single monitor
2021-08-28 20:47:24	ℹ 	Alakzadeh es conocido ahora como Alak
2021-08-28 20:47:44	Dweezahr	hmm, didn't try an external monitor yet
2021-08-28 20:48:09	ℹ 	thing_ es conocido ahora como thing
2021-08-28 20:48:23	mitch0	MrElendig: multi monitor setups work. switching between them sometimes borks (especially with suspend in-between...)
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2021-08-28 20:49:29	MrElendig	mitch0: until the monitors goes to sleep or you suspend the system
2021-08-28 20:49:48	MrElendig	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=353722 still not fixed
2021-08-28 20:49:58	phrik	Title: 353722 – background lost multi-monitor setup (at bugs.kde.org)
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2021-08-28 20:50:25	teraflops	those 34' monitors are a multimonitor setup killers
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2021-08-28 20:50:51	th0rne	Anyone? A 'setcap' wrapper?
2021-08-28 20:50:54	mitch0	MrElendig: *shrug*, I only run into problems if I suspend with external monitors and try to resume without external monitors
2021-08-28 20:51:05	MrElendig	also on desktops with multiple monitors the panels gets wonky / ends up on the wrong screen etc
2021-08-28 20:51:12	MrElendig	and windows lose their position too
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2021-08-28 20:53:32	teraflops	th0rne: setcap _capabilities_ /path/to/binary
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2021-08-28 20:54:32	MrElendig	what software is that th0rne?
2021-08-28 20:55:07	teraflops	and a wrapper is a script that calls to the actual binary I guess
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2021-08-28 20:57:04	th0rne	So setcap only sets them for the duration of that script?
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2021-08-28 20:57:33	MrElendig	setcap is persistent
2021-08-28 20:57:40	th0rne	MrElendig❱ bandwhich - it shows like what urls are being accesssed or whatever.
2021-08-28 20:57:47	th0rne	Why the wrapper, then?
2021-08-28 20:57:57	MrElendig	th0rne: just run pihole
2021-08-28 20:58:00	MrElendig	!next
2021-08-28 20:58:01	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2021-08-28 20:58:24	teraflops	lartc is fun
2021-08-28 20:58:36	MrElendig	or good old wireshark
2021-08-28 20:58:38	th0rne	pihole spies on your entire network, though.
2021-08-28 20:58:44	MrElendig	th0rne: no
2021-08-28 20:58:52	th0rne	No?
2021-08-28 20:58:55	MrElendig	it does what you tell it to 
2021-08-28 20:58:59	th0rne	wireshark is pretty intensive.
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2021-08-28 20:59:10	MrElendig	define intensive
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2021-08-28 20:59:18	teraflops	intense
2021-08-28 20:59:20	th0rne	https://github.com/imsnif/bandwhich/blob/main/demo.gif?raw=true
2021-08-28 20:59:30	MrElendig	its pretty cpu efficient
2021-08-28 20:59:52	th0rne	Depending on what you're trying to do, this is better than wireshark or pihole.
2021-08-28 21:00:35	ℹ 	Keira es conocido ahora como KeiraT
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2021-08-28 21:01:10	MrElendig	th0rne: how are you installing this btw?
2021-08-28 21:01:20	th0rne	pacman
2021-08-28 21:01:32	th0rne	As is custom.
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2021-08-28 21:03:53	th0rne	But yeah, seems like "setcap 'cap_sys_ptrace,cap_dac_read_search,cap_net_raw,cap_net_admin+ep' /usr/bin/bandwhich" was all that was needed.
2021-08-28 21:04:14	baltazar	th0rne: it's just saying that it needs the listed capabilities to function, so you either run it as root, or create an executable with those capabilities
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2021-08-28 21:04:49	th0rne	I mean I get it, but I wasn't familiar with how the capabilities worked and the part about the wrapper confused me.
2021-08-28 21:05:12	teraflops	think of ping run as normal user or root
2021-08-28 21:05:22	teraflops	then getcap /bin/ping
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2021-08-28 21:06:50	th0rne	That doesn't seem to return anything?
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2021-08-28 21:07:16	th0rne	I know you need sudo if you want to ping -f for instance.
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2021-08-28 21:08:21	baltazar	th0rne: I think it says wrapper because you might not want to setcap the actual /usr/bin/bandwhich since then it would be available to every user. instead you could create a wrapper which you setcap, but is only executable by your user. (just a guess though)
2021-08-28 21:08:36	th0rne	Oh, I see.
2021-08-28 21:09:07	th0rne	That seems sensible.
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2021-08-28 21:10:40	Isaac_S	Hi, I'm trying to install the aarch64 version of the arch linux arm port but for some reason I get bsdtar: Ignoring malformed pax extended attribute despite the fact that I confirmed with md5 that the tar file was fine. Is there anything I can do to fix it?
2021-08-28 21:10:55	MrElendig	!alarm
2021-08-28 21:10:56	phrik	If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
2021-08-28 21:11:00	MrElendig	it is a different distro
2021-08-28 21:11:10	Isaac_S	oh whoops, didn't know there was one, thanks for that
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2021-08-28 21:20:15	teraflops	th0rne: I think you get no output  because your user already has cap_net_raw capabilities
2021-08-28 21:20:41	teraflops	capsh --print to find out
2021-08-28 21:20:41	th0rne	Oh, ok.
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2021-08-28 21:22:55	teraflops	but not 100% sure about that
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2021-08-28 21:26:09	susi	lol, never knew about capsh
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2021-08-28 21:30:30	NerdWannaBe	Hello there, does anyone know a workarround about this ? https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=211875
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2021-08-28 21:32:17	lambda	th0rne: to reset the list, just having `ExecStart=blah` in the override would run both the existing `ExecStart` in the base unit as well as `blah`
2021-08-28 21:32:22	NerdWannaBe	Seems that this bug appears about late 5.10 - early 5.11 kernel version, what if i use the stable Arch kernel ? is it a good idea ?
2021-08-28 21:32:31	rcf	th0rne: multiple ExecStart commands can exist, you need to clear them with an empty ExecStart when overriding 
2021-08-28 21:32:39	th0rne	Ah, I see. Thanks, guys.
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2021-08-28 21:33:59	tirnanog	NerdWannaBe: you could certainly try it. the lts kernel is of the 5.10 series, though.
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2021-08-28 21:35:25	NetSysFire	!give NerdWannaBe aw debugging regressions
2021-08-28 21:35:27	phrik	NerdWannaBe: Debugging regressions - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debugging_regressions
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2021-08-28 21:35:59	NetSysFire	you can try the very latest kernel to see if its fixed already, but unlikely
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2021-08-28 21:36:25	NetSysFire	you can also always try an older (lts) kernel via the archive until its fixed but beware of missing security fixes
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2021-08-28 21:37:27	NerdWannaBe	NetSysFire: yeah, i kinda don't think that bug is fixed till today, idk though, i think that imma try normal lts, then older lts, thanks guys
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2021-08-28 23:03:29	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1345 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1345 normals)
2021-08-28 22:00:21	GuiToris	hello, if I don't log into X but TTY, there's no energy saving, is there? In other words, the computer won't go to sleep automatically, right?
2021-08-28 22:04:02	thurstylark	GuiToris: based on my reading of the Power Management page on the wiki, your DE may automatically run a power manager to take care of idle timeouts, but otherwise, you'd have to set that up on your own
2021-08-28 22:04:21	MrElendig	GuiToris: depends on how *you* configure the system
2021-08-28 22:04:44	thurstylark	so, if you didn't set it up to sleep on inactive timeout somehow, then there's probably nothing managing that
2021-08-28 22:05:43	GuiToris	:/ there's a energy saving set up within KDE, but I hoped it wouldn't work if I didn't log in
2021-08-28 22:06:11	MrElendig	depends on your DM
2021-08-28 22:06:49	MrElendig	this sounds more and more like a xyproblem though
2021-08-28 22:06:59	MrElendig	you want to prevent your machine from sleeping for some reason?
2021-08-28 22:07:08	MrElendig	if so, read the man page for systemd inhibit
2021-08-28 22:07:25	GuiToris	ok, maybe this way; will I have more memory if I log in TTY instead of KDE?
2021-08-28 22:07:42	MrElendig	no
2021-08-28 22:07:46	GuiToris	:O
2021-08-28 22:07:54	MrElendig	logging into kde doens't magically upgrade your ram
2021-08-28 22:08:02	MrElendig	or rather, not logging into kde
2021-08-28 22:08:19	GuiToris	that's what I hoped :(
2021-08-28 22:08:34	GuiToris	alright, then there's no need to struggle with TTY
2021-08-28 22:08:39	GuiToris	thanks :)
2021-08-28 22:10:43	teraflops	GuiToris: do the maths. 
2021-08-28 23:03:29	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-28 23:21:47	Piedro	Hi, guys!
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2021-08-28 23:23:27	Piedro	Trying to do traditional kernel compilation here...
2021-08-28 23:24:17	ritsch_master	hello guys. i want an rss feed in a minimal way on my desktop. something like conky, but for rss. anyone in here has some recommendations?
2021-08-28 23:24:40	◣	ping2000 (~ping2000@user/ping2000) ha salido (Quit: Leaving)
2021-08-28 23:25:13	MrElendig	you could feed it to conky
2021-08-28 23:25:40	MrElendig	or just use one of the cli rss readers
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2021-08-28 23:26:59	MrElendig	personally I would just run newsflash though
2021-08-28 23:27:45	Piedro	I've installed base-devel, glibc, etc. But when trying to make I get:
2021-08-28 23:27:48	Piedro	/usr/include/bits/errno.h:26:11: fatal error: linux/errno.h: No such file or directory
2021-08-28 23:27:58	MrElendig	install kernel headers
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2021-08-28 23:28:06	ritsch_master	MrElendig: thanks for the tip, i will have a look at it
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2021-08-28 23:29:33	artefact	how do i launch a xterm window with a command that stays open after the command exits? xterm -e sh -c `foo; sh` still exits if i exit foo with a ^C
2021-08-28 23:29:35	Piedro	I'm trying `make headers_install`, to get headers for this particular kernel I need.
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2021-08-28 23:30:49	ascor	I am going to go insane trying to figure out usb.auto_suspend. I have several udev rules that should blacklist all my devices from auto-suspend as well as just any general device and yet cat /sys/bus/usb/devices/usb2/2-0\:1.0/usb2-port3/power/control still returns "auto"
2021-08-28 23:30:54	ascor	https://pastebin.com/pChWQRFg
2021-08-28 23:30:55	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-tlL.txt
2021-08-28 23:30:56	phrik	Title: Bus 006 Device 002: ID 2833:3031 Oculus VR, Inc. Rift CV1Bus 006 Device 001: I - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-08-28 23:31:04	ascor	Udev rules and lsusb output
2021-08-28 23:31:05	Piedro	MrElendig: ...or should I just setup linux-headers for some newer kernel from repo?
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2021-08-28 23:31:13	MrElendig	https://www.open-tickr.net/ if you want kinda old school gui
2021-08-28 23:31:15	phrik	Title: TICKR - Open Source Feed Reader (at www.open-tickr.net)
2021-08-28 23:31:24	MrElendig	ritsch_master: ^
2021-08-28 23:31:54	MrElendig	Piedro: you built your own kernel?
2021-08-28 23:32:00	MrElendig	without using makepkg?
2021-08-28 23:32:32	ritsch_master	artefact: you can do a xterm -e 'bash -c "echo hello && bash"'
2021-08-28 23:32:40	Piedro	MrElendig: I'm trying to follow: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel/Traditional_compilation
2021-08-28 23:32:41	phrik	Title: Kernel/Traditional compilation - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-28 23:32:49	ritsch_master	artefact: this will result in opening a bash in bash after "echo hello"
2021-08-28 23:33:02	artefact	ritsch_master: my first command is journalctl -f. i can only quit it with ^C and that also cancels anything that follows
2021-08-28 23:33:21	MrElendig	Piedro: I strongly suggest that you use makepkg instead
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2021-08-28 23:33:28	Piedro	MrElendig: Need some particular kernel version to build external module against.
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2021-08-28 23:33:38	MrElendig	Piedro: cleaner, less error prone, much less work
2021-08-28 23:33:49	ascor	I can confirm that it is barely any work at all.
2021-08-28 23:34:04	ascor	Took me less than 15 minutes to compile my own kernel
2021-08-28 23:34:14	ritsch_master	artefact: exiting it with ^c should result in immediately opening bash afterwards. you might need to use xterm -e 'bash -c "journalctfl -f ; bash"' instead
2021-08-28 23:34:19	MrElendig	Piedro: what external module? can't you simply tweak it to build against the current kernel?
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2021-08-28 23:35:17	artefact	ritsch_master: no, it doesn't work for me. does it for you?
2021-08-28 23:36:19	MrElendig	artefact: why xterm?
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2021-08-28 23:36:54	Piedro	MrElendig: rtw89. Need it in my RescueSystem USB stick, which is Arch-based.
2021-08-28 23:36:55	MrElendig	also -hold
2021-08-28 23:37:21	artefact	-hold is not what i want, but thanks
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2021-08-28 23:37:51	MrElendig	Piedro: should work with 5.13
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2021-08-28 23:38:58	ritsch_master	artefact: you are right it does not
2021-08-28 23:39:36	ritsch_master	artefact: but the pager of journalctl looks a bit weird
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2021-08-28 23:41:16	Piedro	MrElendig: Yep, but my SystemRescue image have 5.10.34-1-lts
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2021-08-28 23:41:28	MrElendig	should build fine against that too
2021-08-28 23:41:54	MrElendig	no custom kernel needed
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2021-08-28 23:41:59	Piedro	MrElendig: Is there any manuals on how one can compile linux-headers for particular kernel?
2021-08-28 23:42:22	◣	atmoz (~atmoz@user/atmoz) ha salido (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2021-08-28 23:42:28	MrElendig	1. they are not compiled
2021-08-28 23:42:35	MrElendig	2. they are shipped in arch
2021-08-28 23:42:47	MrElendig	also should update that kernel :p
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2021-08-28 23:43:05	MrElendig	also, not really arch support since its not arch you are working on
2021-08-28 23:43:25	MrElendig	core/linux-lts-headers 5.10.60-1
2021-08-28 23:43:28	MrElendig	    Headers and scripts for building modules for the LTS Linux kernel
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2021-08-28 23:44:52	MrElendig	you should go talk to the RescueSystem people if they package the kernel headers
2021-08-28 23:45:07	◣	ice9 (~ice9@user/ice9) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2021-08-28 23:45:43	Piedro	MrElendig: How one package kernel headers?
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2021-08-28 23:46:18	sheep	they're split from the linux package's PKGBUILD
2021-08-28 23:46:45	MrElendig	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/linux-lts/trunk/PKGBUILD#L93 is how arch does it
2021-08-28 23:46:50	sheep	see _package_headers() in that file
2021-08-28 23:47:14	MrElendig	you should really simply go and talk to the RescueSystem people though
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2021-08-28 23:47:20	MrElendig	this has nothing to do with arch
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2021-08-28 23:48:53	digital_mystik	hello.. anyone know where w3m's default config file is located? /etc/w3m doesn't exist for me.. just trying to know what to work off of and can't find it anywhere
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2021-08-28 23:50:06	MrElendig	it has one?
2021-08-28 23:50:30	artefact	there is none in the package
2021-08-28 23:50:45	MrElendig	most things have the defaults built in instead
2021-08-28 23:51:10	◣	lsrtl__ (~lsrtl@user/lsrtl) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2021-08-28 23:51:38	artefact	it's not uncommon for defaults to be in /usr or /etc/defaults with override files (systemd, pipewire...)
2021-08-28 23:51:44	digital_mystik	I just want to set the `-sixel` flag by default haha, not sure what the syntax is in the config file
2021-08-28 23:51:49	digital_mystik	if that's the way to do it of course
2021-08-28 23:51:59	artefact	how do you invoke w3m? you could just make an alias
2021-08-28 23:52:05	MrElendig	https://man.archlinux.org/man/w3m.1#FILES
2021-08-28 23:52:07	phrik	Title: w3m(1) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
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2021-08-28 23:52:43	digital_mystik	yeah I did.. this is to set up aerc so that it calls sixel for images for html emails.. (using wayland/foot so default w3m images wont work)
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2021-08-28 23:53:38	digital_mystik	I'm already down the rabbit hole of trying to get this to work lol
2021-08-28 23:53:52	artefact	there's also the super dirty echo '#!/bin/sh\n/usr/bin/w3m "$@"' > /usr/local/bin/w3m
2021-08-28 23:54:01	artefact	but i wouldn't recommend that
2021-08-28 23:54:09	digital_mystik	do aliases apply when other packages call a command?
2021-08-28 23:54:24	artefact	no, they only work from within the shell
2021-08-28 23:54:35	digital_mystik	darn
2021-08-28 23:54:46	artefact	can you not configure your MUA to change the w3m invoke command?
2021-08-28 23:55:53	digital_mystik	yeah tried that, no luck
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2021-08-28 23:59:50	digital_mystik	oh well.. to be continued haha
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2021-08-29 07:34:54	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-08-29 07:34:54	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1295 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1295 normals)
2021-08-29 00:43:30	babyface	is glances broken for you too or is it just me?
2021-08-29 00:44:11	NetSysFire	!doesntwork
2021-08-29 00:44:13	phrik	What do you mean it doesn't work? If there's an error, *tell us*. If it's more than two lines, see !paste.
2021-08-29 00:44:40	babyface	!paste
2021-08-29 00:44:41	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-29 01:01:25	AmR	Hello
2021-08-29 01:01:46	AmR	I need some mixed help to install archlinux please
2021-08-29 01:02:04	NetSysFire	!ask
2021-08-29 01:02:06	phrik	Don't ask to ask, if anyone is here or alive, or uses something. Just ask, and we'll get moving along. Thanks.
2021-08-29 01:05:23	AmR	I have " nvidia quadro 2000 " I got screen resolution 1024 only and 800 with free driver. And  When I try install Nvidia driver 39x I got 800 only. And same driver work with *ubuntu, I installed it to copy setting and config files, to try them at archlinux.
2021-08-29 01:07:13	demonicmaniac	quadro 2000 is a fermi card that's not supported by anything newer than 340xx i believe?
2021-08-29 01:08:01	demonicmaniac	oh nvm it is by 390xx
2021-08-29 01:10:02	demonicmaniac	doesn't look like 390xx is updated for kernel 5.13, use nvidia-390xx-dkms
2021-08-29 01:10:13	AmR	demonicmaniac: Did u know where I can find this files to backup them ?
2021-08-29 01:10:32	AmR	Ok I will But I need to copy this files too
2021-08-29 01:11:20	demonicmaniac	i don't know what you're talking about with resolution and which config files you copied
2021-08-29 01:12:47	demonicmaniac	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA this has pretty much everything covered
2021-08-29 01:12:48	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-29 01:56:44	Namarrgon	glances seems to be missing the dependency on python-defusedxml
2021-08-29 02:10:20	masoudd	Namarrgon, vote here https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/71587
2021-08-29 02:10:21	phrik	Title: FS#71587 : [glances] Requires python-defusedxml (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2021-08-29 02:13:55	Namarrgon	it's against my morals to support xml
2021-08-29 02:14:22	Namarrgon	but babyface might be interested, though
2021-08-29 02:15:04	babyface	:)
2021-08-29 02:17:55	kevr	it's already assigned
2021-08-29 02:19:01	kevr	i'm getting flash backs to my first job where i had to work with an xmlrpc protocol
2021-08-29 02:19:27	kevr	i replaced it with json over websockets
2021-08-29 02:19:31	kevr	they were happy
2021-08-29 02:29:15	susi	kevr is how cats purr, they say 'kevrrrrrkevr....."
2021-08-29 02:35:34	Namarrgon	you should take your cat to the vet
2021-08-29 03:17:53	Mysterytrain	mew
2021-08-29 03:18:26	NetSysFire	https://http.cat
2021-08-29 03:18:27	phrik	Title: HTTP Cats (at http.cat)
2021-08-29 03:58:09	NerdWannaBe	Hello guys, i'm using 5.10.61-1-lts becouse a bug, how could i install an older lts ?
2021-08-29 03:58:21	NetSysFire	!ala
2021-08-29 03:58:22	phrik	Let's flip through it to hunt our lovely bugs: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_Archive
2021-08-29 03:59:10	NerdWannaBe	Hello71: NetSysFire: i've install the lts but the bug percists :'(
2021-08-29 03:59:25	NerdWannaBe	you told me about an older lts, didn't you ?
2021-08-29 03:59:38	sheep	does the problem happen with the newer not LTS kernel?
2021-08-29 04:00:00	Hello71	NerdWannaBe: that's nice
2021-08-29 04:00:08	NerdWannaBe	sheep: yes it does, that's why i install LTS
2021-08-29 04:00:27	sheep	what is the newest version you tried, and what is the bug?
2021-08-29 04:01:01	NerdWannaBe	newer is 5.13, as: pacman -S linux
2021-08-29 04:01:13	sheep	which 5.13?
2021-08-29 04:01:26	sheep	the bug might have been fixed in a newer point release
2021-08-29 04:01:50	NerdWannaBe	sheep: This is the bug: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=211875
2021-08-29 04:02:04	NerdWannaBe	sheep: It didn't
2021-08-29 04:02:05	NetSysFire	its not fixed in a newer release yet
2021-08-29 04:02:10	NetSysFire	so we have to go back in time
2021-08-29 04:02:16	NerdWannaBe	yup
2021-08-29 04:02:48	kevr	you guys have a target version?
2021-08-29 04:04:02	kevr	http://sprunge.us/HdZHbI
2021-08-29 04:20:06	kevr	if you need to revert earlier and you can't find a package archive somewhere with it, you can `asp checkout linux-lts` and revert to whichever version you're interested in, then build it with makepkg.
2021-08-29 04:20:25	kevr	asp checkout provides you a git repo for the package
2021-08-29 04:20:54	NerdWannaBe	kevr: Oh! nice, didn't know that, lemme see
2021-08-29 04:21:30	kevr	In those cloned repositories, the PKGBUILD will be inside the trunk/ subdirectory.
2021-08-29 04:24:10	NerdWannaBe	I did: asp checkout linux-lts  made its thing but idk where it downloaded its files
2021-08-29 04:26:20	kevr	NerdWannaBe: After running makepkg, there should be some .zst files in the directory where you executed makepkg after it builds
2021-08-29 04:26:29	kevr	those are the package files which you can install via pacman -U.
2021-08-29 04:26:33	kevr	package archives*
2021-08-29 04:27:18	kevr	iirc, should be linux-lts, linux-lts-headers and maybe linus-lts-firmware?
2021-08-29 04:27:27	kevr	linux-lts-firmware*
2021-08-29 04:27:29	kevr	lol
2021-08-29 04:27:58	kevr	ah guess not, just linux-lts, linux-lts-headers and linux-lts-docs i guess?
2021-08-29 04:29:35	NerdWannaBe	Ok but where are the files dowloaded with: asp checkout linux-lts ?
2021-08-29 04:29:57	kevr	OH. You should have a folder named linux-lts wherever you ran that command.
2021-08-29 04:29:59	NerdWannaBe	oh! found them
2021-08-29 04:30:04	NerdWannaBe	Yes i do
2021-08-29 04:30:15	kevr	Yeah. In the trunk/ subdirectory in there, that's where the PKGBUILD is
2021-08-29 04:30:28	kevr	just make sure you git checkout to the commit you want
2021-08-29 04:30:55	kevr	NerdWannaBe: Are you familiar with Git?
2021-08-29 04:31:53	NerdWannaBe	Oh! but... idk, i just copied and paste what you gave me :p
2021-08-29 04:32:21	kevr	NerdWannaBe: Pick a version here and i'll help you check out to it: http://sprunge.us/HdZHbI
2021-08-29 04:32:24	NerdWannaBe	This will install version 5.10 ? the same install with: sudo pacman -S linux-lts ?
2021-08-29 04:32:37	kevr	indeed, you need to checkout to an older one if you want an older one.
2021-08-29 04:33:19	NerdWannaBe	i would like: linux-lts 5.4.98-1
2021-08-29 04:34:08	kevr	NerdWannaBe: Inside of the linus-lts directory, run the following command: `git checkout 886eaa117b7300dffa5ae25c13ac1834706a3952`
2021-08-29 04:34:56	kevr	After you check out to that, you can verify where you are at in the git history by viewing `git log` and just looking at the commits at the top.
2021-08-29 04:35:35	kevr	Additionally, you will notice that PKGBUILD has changed after checking out.
2021-08-29 04:36:43	kevr	Dammit, I keep misspelling linux-lts as linus-lts
2021-08-29 04:37:05	NerdWannaBe	lol PKGBUILD says: pkgver=5.4.98 :p
2021-08-29 04:37:18	NerdWannaBe	I think i'm alright to compile it, am i ?
2021-08-29 04:37:20	kevr	There you go. Now you can build and it will build that version.
2021-08-29 04:37:27	kevr	Yes sir.
2021-08-29 04:37:55	NerdWannaBe	makepkg -sri ? :p
2021-08-29 04:38:11	kevr	sure
2021-08-29 04:38:53	NerdWannaBe	It's doin' its magic, thanks brother :D
2021-08-29 04:39:51	Scimmia	NerdWannaBe: why wouldn't you use 5.4 from the AUR instead of building an ancient version?
2021-08-29 04:40:01	NerdWannaBe	I know after it's done, imma: grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg   or else imma get again with a working Arch Linux :D
2021-08-29 04:40:26	NerdWannaBe	Scimmia: idk, this is the way my pal kevr told me, so i did 
2021-08-29 04:41:07	NerdWannaBe	Can i install 5.4 using pacman from arch repos ?
2021-08-29 05:02:05	NerdWannaBe	It says:  linux-5.4.143.tar ... FAILED (unknown public key 38DBBDC86092693E)
2021-08-29 05:02:08	NerdWannaBe	ERROR: One or more PGP signatures could not be verified!
2021-08-29 05:06:26	kevr	NerdWannaBe: `gpg --recv-keys 38DBBDC86092693E`
2021-08-29 05:08:25	kevr	NerdWannaBe: You may have to configure the keyserver to have it recv properly, if you don't have a ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf, make one like this: http://sprunge.us/FDuh7N
2021-08-29 05:08:31	kevr	Which uses ubuntu's keyserver
2021-08-29 05:09:58	NerdWannaBe	Oh! ok, i will make that file thanks
2021-08-29 06:08:00	AmR	I fix it.
2021-08-29 06:08:28	AmR	I fix nvidia setting with both nvidia-setting and system setting(KDE)
2021-08-29 06:08:49	AmR	More then 2y with 0 help.
2021-08-29 06:10:31	AmR	lol. Thanks  for ALLAH
2021-08-29 06:35:33	gulzar	Hi. I have a new laptop with arch, ssd .  SDDM on login majoirty of times hangs. Cursor is lost. cann't switch to tty. How to figure out the issue
2021-08-29 07:01:40	predicament	gulzar?  inxi -Ga  -- please use the output and put it in a pastebin
2021-08-29 07:11:00	gulzar	predicament: https://paste.debian.net/1209506
2021-08-29 07:11:05	phrik	Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)
2021-08-29 07:12:37	predicament	dual GPU
2021-08-29 07:12:39	predicament	thats why
2021-08-29 07:12:48	predicament	you are gonna need some interesting configuration.
2021-08-29 07:13:37	predicament	and i'm not advanced enough to really help, but it can start by trying to install nvidia drivers.  and also install intel video drivers.
2021-08-29 07:13:45	gulzar	i don't need nvidia for Arch. Tha' only for windows for gaming
2021-08-29 07:13:51	predicament	gulzar
2021-08-29 07:14:10	predicament	OpenGL: renderer: Mesa Intel UHD Graphics 630 (CFL GT2) v: 4.6 Mesa 21.2.1 direct render: Yes 
2021-08-29 07:15:10	gulzar	predicament: I tried disabling nvidia with acpi call. That gives funny behaviour. On login, if I try to disable it works. If power is connected and try to do acpi call system gets stuck in same way as sddm. If any app like Firefox is up and then I try to disable then also system get's stuck
2021-08-29 07:15:56	predicament	yes
2021-08-29 07:16:03	predicament	lightdm has a problem with it too
2021-08-29 07:16:22	predicament	but im not so sure its that actually.  when does it freeze
2021-08-29 07:16:43	predicament	you said if you try to disable the intel gfx then it gets stuck?
2021-08-29 07:17:03	predicament	check /var/log and dmesg and anything else.  you should run a verbose boot
2021-08-29 07:17:05	gulzar	the nvidia, not intel
2021-08-29 07:17:14	predicament	oh, so you disable nvidia and it gets stuck
2021-08-29 07:17:25	predicament	i dont think you can use wayland.
2021-08-29 07:17:31	predicament	i'm not completely sure about that
2021-08-29 07:17:32	gulzar	yes only if  power is connected or any app like FF is up
2021-08-29 07:17:35	predicament	but i do not think you can
2021-08-29 07:17:49	predicament	and also, that's a power management thing
2021-08-29 07:17:58	gulzar	what should I look in dmesg
2021-08-29 07:18:05	predicament	oh god
2021-08-29 07:18:32	gulzar	it's a big log
2021-08-29 07:18:33	predicament	anything that you see that is a major error, im not much of help right now, try /var/log/Xorg0.log
2021-08-29 07:18:38	predicament	look in there
2021-08-29 07:18:43	predicament	see if it gives any clues
2021-08-29 07:19:05	predicament	try to replicate the problem and | grep nvidia or | grep graphics
2021-08-29 07:19:21	predicament	which kernel?
2021-08-29 07:20:04	predicament	hey arch geniuses
2021-08-29 07:20:09	predicament	help this guy out will ya
2021-08-29 07:20:11	predicament	i'm kinda busy
2021-08-29 07:20:24	predicament	i really am trying to get a perfect score on this
2021-08-29 07:20:32	predicament	but i had a similar issue to you, and I run dual-gpu
2021-08-29 07:20:38	gulzar	predicament: 5.13.13
2021-08-29 07:20:43	predicament	so the latest
2021-08-29 07:20:50	predicament	did it do this before 5.13.13?
2021-08-29 07:21:02	gulzar	it's a new installation :)
2021-08-29 07:21:12	predicament	well that makes some more sense
2021-08-29 07:21:21	predicament	alright, im gonna say to stick around
2021-08-29 07:21:28	predicament	im actually doing a class atm
2021-08-29 07:21:35	predicament	i'm not as smart as i make myself sound
2021-08-29 07:21:36	gulzar	predicament: Thank You
2021-08-29 07:21:41	predicament	it's a facade
2021-08-29 07:22:04	predicament	i'm joking, i don't sound like i remotely know waht the hell to do
2021-08-29 07:22:33	gulzar	it's ok
2021-08-29 07:22:40	predicament	i mean
2021-08-29 07:22:53	predicament	okay, here's what i would do.. i'd try installing the intel and nvidia drivers
2021-08-29 07:22:59	predicament	from the arch repos
2021-08-29 07:23:11	predicament	both graphics packages
2021-08-29 07:23:15	predicament	especially nvidia
2021-08-29 07:23:19	predicament	don't remove any
2021-08-29 07:23:26	predicament	don't plug in your monitor at startup
2021-08-29 07:23:33	predicament	there's a passthrough method you can use
2021-08-29 07:23:36	predicament	have you heard of that?
2021-08-29 07:23:46	gulzar	yes, this is a laptop
2021-08-29 07:24:03	predicament	i meant like your hdmi or DP or wahtever
2021-08-29 07:24:10	predicament	dont plug that in, just laptop screen and thats it for now
2021-08-29 07:24:13	gulzar	I forgot that to metion. I forgot that people still have desktops :)
2021-08-29 07:24:20	predicament	i know you're using a laptop
2021-08-29 07:24:28	predicament	dual-gpu like this one gave it away
2021-08-29 07:24:39	predicament	this was what that switcher was about
2021-08-29 07:24:50	predicament	but it's for xorg if im not mistaken.
2021-08-29 07:24:57	predicament	optimus switcher or something
2021-08-29 07:25:11	predicament	i used to use it.. now i use a modified xorg file
2021-08-29 07:25:29	predicament	you're trying to run wayland and you have nvidia
2021-08-29 07:25:44	gulzar	wayland came by default
2021-08-29 07:25:46	predicament	that wont work out with dualgpu as far as i remember anyway.  i could be wrong, it could've changed recently
2021-08-29 07:25:48	predicament	i know
2021-08-29 07:25:53	predicament	i know.
2021-08-29 07:26:01	predicament	intel is what it detected first
2021-08-29 07:26:02	gulzar	can't we just diable nvidia on boot for arch
2021-08-29 07:26:08	predicament	you could if you wanted
2021-08-29 07:26:16	predicament	but if i'm you, i wanna solve the problem
2021-08-29 07:26:32	predicament	and you have the hardware to use optimus-switcher 
2021-08-29 07:26:34	predicament	use it
2021-08-29 07:26:41	predicament	or.. passthru
2021-08-29 07:26:44	gulzar	predicament: ok, will try
2021-08-29 07:26:47	predicament	okay
2021-08-29 07:26:55	predicament	if it doesn't work just remove it again
2021-08-29 07:27:09	predicament	and you might want to try another DM
2021-08-29 07:27:16	predicament	just to see, just to try
2021-08-29 07:27:23	predicament	i'm brainstorming when i should be paying attention
2021-08-29 07:27:24	predicament	hang on
2021-08-29 07:30:43	gulzar	predicament: optimus-switcher , which one is this. Nvidia wiki is always confusing for me.
2021-08-29 07:31:04	gulzar	render-offload, optimus-manager
2021-08-29 07:31:12	predicament	also um.. try appending nomodeset to the kernel line at startup.  you know, when you see "Arch Linux" in Grub.. just press e, then go to where it says "quiet" and delete quiet  -- and replace that with apparmor=1 security=apparmor udev.log_priority=3 --- make sure you sudo pacman -S apparmor
2021-08-29 07:31:19	predicament	render offloading is a method i use
2021-08-29 07:31:35	predicament	but it's not recommended, it reminds me of a reverse proxy haha
2021-08-29 07:31:49	predicament	that shouldn't be your first choice
2021-08-29 07:32:14	predicament	so then you'll see your boot process
2021-08-29 07:32:43	predicament	so if something fails.. you know what fails
2021-08-29 07:32:46	predicament	and why.
2021-08-29 07:33:13	predicament	but yeah try what i said to do
2021-08-29 07:33:24	predicament	you might get lucky but its saying to not use the modesetting driver
2021-08-29 07:33:42	predicament	modesetting is the driver for nvidia when it's not using the proprietary drivers i think
2021-08-29 07:33:56	predicament	i think intel too
2021-08-29 07:34:12	predicament	i forget to be honest, but it's like a generic driver
2021-08-29 07:34:33	predicament	you could edit that line just by editing grub
2021-08-29 07:34:47	predicament	so sudo vi /etc/default/grub
2021-08-29 07:34:54	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-08-29 07:35:17	predicament	copy the original line, then paste it, that way you can comment it out if you need to
2021-08-29 07:35:19	predicament	okay?
2021-08-29 07:35:33	gulzar	ok
2021-08-29 07:35:45	predicament	if you decide to do that
2021-08-29 07:35:59	predicament	then you do sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2021-08-29 07:36:10	predicament	it's temporary if you do it at startup
2021-08-29 07:36:20	◣	aaket504 (~al@ool-45714478.dyn.optonline.net) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.2)
2021-08-29 07:36:24	predicament	but its on that same line you append it as "quiet"
2021-08-29 07:36:31	◣	Murray7501 (~Murray@89.109-247-180.customer.lyse.net) ha salido (Quit: leaving)
2021-08-29 07:36:33	predicament	and do not use quotes
2021-08-29 07:36:58	predicament	also
2021-08-29 07:37:07	predicament	I'm correct about nvidia having the modesetting driver
2021-08-29 07:37:16	jbg	how can i list the firmware that the kernel has loaded?
2021-08-29 07:37:19	gulzar	predicament: i tried apparmor and rebooted. What to do now. It booted without any issue
2021-08-29 07:37:34	predicament	booted without any issue?
2021-08-29 07:37:42	predicament	weird
2021-08-29 07:37:55	gulzar	predicament: I can login. As I said, it's not always that it gets stuck, only someties
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2021-08-29 07:38:34	predicament	okay well
2021-08-29 07:38:59	predicament	install nvidia driver.  it's just a normal package - sudo pacman -S nvidia i believe if i'm not mistaken
2021-08-29 07:39:06	◥	martin02 (~silas@141.84.69.76) has joined #archlinux
2021-08-29 07:39:16	gulzar	optimus manager?
2021-08-29 07:39:35	predicament	yeah you'll need that with the nvidia driver as far as i know.
2021-08-29 07:39:43	◥	upsala (~zcb@185.213.155.160) has joined #archlinux
2021-08-29 07:40:49	gulzar	predicament: it supprts xorg and not wayland
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2021-08-29 07:41:34	predicament	yes.
2021-08-29 07:41:43	predicament	pick your poison.
2021-08-29 07:41:45	predicament	literally
2021-08-29 07:41:48	predicament	that's all i can tell you
2021-08-29 07:41:53	gulzar	predicament: haha ok
2021-08-29 07:41:54	predicament	i didn't write the linux drivers
2021-08-29 07:42:00	gulzar	will test them
2021-08-29 07:42:00	predicament	:P
2021-08-29 07:42:06	predicament	i use xorg still
2021-08-29 07:42:11	predicament	on a gaming dual gpu laptop
2021-08-29 07:42:14	predicament	"gaming"
2021-08-29 07:42:25	predicament	i do game, i just dont use windows to do it
2021-08-29 07:42:29	◥	CarloWood (~LdK13@212-127-230-18.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #archlinux
2021-08-29 07:42:33	predicament	i use wine and proton because well it works
2021-08-29 07:42:43	predicament	and if that fails
2021-08-29 07:42:49	predicament	i passthrough my GPU
2021-08-29 07:42:57	◣	Enitin (~Enitin@82.102.22.85) ha salido (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2021-08-29 07:43:00	predicament	PCI Passthrough.
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2021-08-29 07:43:18	predicament	okay, back to studying.  let me know whats up gulzar -- keep me updated
2021-08-29 07:43:47	predicament	isplay: wayland server: X.org 1.20.13 compositor: kwin_wayland driver: loaded: modesetting 
2021-08-29 07:43:47	predicament	           alternate: fbdev,intel,vesa display-ID: 0 resolution: <missing: xdpyinfo> 
2021-08-29 07:43:48	predicament	           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa Intel UHD Graphics 630 (CFL GT2) v: 4.6 Mesa 21.2.1 direct render: Yes 
2021-08-29 07:44:22	gulzar	predicament: Thank You
2021-08-29 07:44:48	predicament	offloading reverses the order of that
2021-08-29 07:44:58	predicament	makes the nvidia primary
2021-08-29 07:45:07	predicament	but the signal itself
2021-08-29 07:45:12	predicament	there's a change
2021-08-29 07:45:19	predicament	you can do this in a xorg file easily actually
2021-08-29 07:45:23	◥	Enitin (~Enitin@82.102.22.86) has joined #archlinux
2021-08-29 07:45:50	predicament	but lets crawl before we walk
2021-08-29 07:45:57	predicament	am i the only one that gives a shit here?
2021-08-29 07:46:03	predicament	while studying for a class?
2021-08-29 07:46:17	predicament	geez you guys are intolerant of stupidity
2021-08-29 07:46:18	predicament	:P
2021-08-29 07:46:28	ectospasm	It is in the wee hours of EDT, you can't expect too much right now.
2021-08-29 07:46:43	af	guys the evowise mirror is dead?
2021-08-29 07:47:08	af	it's redirecting to zerobounce
2021-08-29 07:47:15	gulzar	timezone difference predicament
2021-08-29 07:47:37	af	gulzar: sup bro, long time
2021-08-29 07:48:39	predicament	I'm in EDT as well
2021-08-29 07:48:42	predicament	heh
2021-08-29 07:48:51	predicament	DC metro area.
2021-08-29 07:48:56	predicament	thats no excuse
2021-08-29 07:49:00	predicament	:P
2021-08-29 07:49:08	ectospasm	I would normally be asleep right now, but I'm working yet again on a Saturday night/Sunday morning.
2021-08-29 07:49:38	predicament	i'm  studying and working, similar
2021-08-29 07:49:44	predicament	so i feel that
2021-08-29 07:50:06	predicament	and watching my niece
2021-08-29 07:50:14	predicament	just a big plate of shit for me to eat
2021-08-29 07:50:29	predicament	my mom had a stroke, went into a coma, now shes awake and in rehab
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2021-08-29 07:50:51	predicament	(diabetic coma, also has kidney disease on top of that)
2021-08-29 07:51:00	predicament	so to hell with sleep.  its not my friend today
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2021-08-29 07:51:12	gulzar_	af: Hi
2021-08-29 07:51:20	gulzar_	I got disconnected after your msg
2021-08-29 07:51:24	predicament	lol
2021-08-29 07:51:28	predicament	well, i'm EDT btw
2021-08-29 07:51:37	predicament	same time zone as him
2021-08-29 07:51:44	predicament	or her
2021-08-29 07:51:55	predicament	ecto, i'm betting male
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2021-08-29 07:52:04	predicament	hahaha
2021-08-29 07:52:25	gulzar_	af: there
2021-08-29 07:52:42	ectospasm	I don't see how that's relevant.  What does it matter what my sex is?
2021-08-29 07:57:24	predicament	it doesn't, i said "him or her"
2021-08-29 07:57:24	predicament	then i wasnt sure, so i just guessed
2021-08-29 07:57:24	predicament	doesn't have to be super relevant no
2021-08-29 07:57:24	predicament	i was also sorta just talking
2021-08-29 07:57:24	predicament	sheesh
2021-08-29 07:57:24	predicament	:P
2021-08-29 07:57:24	predicament	and also, ectospasm, i try to be mindful of that.  people can get offended sometimes and I do not know you, so.. there.  that's a way it can be relevant.
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2021-08-29 07:57:24	ectospasm	Heheh, it's OK.  You're right, I am male, but I still don't see how it's relevant.  (-;  You could always say "they" when you don't know sex/gender, which can be two different things.
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2021-08-29 07:57:24	thms	Hey fellow Archeros
2021-08-29 07:59:48	af	I think the preferred pronoun is "gods"
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2021-08-29 08:05:39	predicament	they means multuple people ectospasm 
2021-08-29 08:05:49	predicament	it implies multiple people, not genders, though people do it anyway
2021-08-29 08:06:26	predicament	i simply guessed at it and sorta joked about it.. frankly i dont care if you have a twat or a schlong, it makes no difference to me
2021-08-29 08:07:20	predicament	it's not like really relevant but the relavance is my confusion, if that makes any sense.. it's not relevant to you, but, i didn't want to offend at the same time
2021-08-29 08:07:31	predicament	that's always some dilemma with the gender identity stuff.
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2021-08-29 08:08:01	predicament	i've had people freak out when i said "they" -- these people didn't like it
2021-08-29 08:08:13	predicament	that's mostly why i refrained and asked instead
2021-08-29 08:08:19	predicament	asked/guessed
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2021-08-29 08:09:18	predicament	so in that way it's relevant.  and actually, usually, if i don't want to offend anyone, i call them by their name or whathaveyou
2021-08-29 08:09:29	predicament	i call the person by his or her name
2021-08-29 08:09:58	predicament	ugh, to hell with political correct bs-- and you don't have to apologize
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2021-08-29 11:25:19	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-08-29 11:25:19	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1308 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1308 normals)
2021-08-29 10:32:34	powerman2206	So uh, why isn't Discord Canary getting updated to 0.0.128?
2021-08-29 10:42:42	Nitrousoxide	In cryptsetup "plain64" is discussed as an IV. Is an IV essentially a salt?
2021-08-29 10:42:59	Nitrousoxide	I've done my best to research this but there is surprisingly little information
2021-08-29 10:43:17	grawity	kiiiiiinda? I guess it serves roughly the same purpose
2021-08-29 10:43:18	grawity	but it'
2021-08-29 10:43:43	Nitrousoxide	So in that case what is it *really*
2021-08-29 10:43:45	grawity	but it's specifically for the block cipher (AES), not for the password KDF (where the term 'salt' usually is used)
2021-08-29 10:44:12	grawity	take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_cipher_mode_of_operation#Confidentiality_only_modes
2021-08-29 10:44:13	phrik	Title: Block cipher mode of operation - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2021-08-29 10:44:25	grawity	e.g. how the CBC mode works, and how it uses an IV
2021-08-29 10:44:48	Nitrousoxide	So is it essentially just cryptographically secure data placed onto the end of data before encryption? 
2021-08-29 10:44:52	Nitrousoxide	I'll read that now
2021-08-29 10:45:08	grawity	hmm not sure I would describe it that way, no
2021-08-29 10:45:25	grawity	it *is* mixed into the data, though, but not "placed onto the end of"
2021-08-29 10:45:40	Nitrousoxide	You know what, I'll shut up and read this.
2021-08-29 10:45:42	Nitrousoxide	Thank you
2021-08-29 10:45:43	grawity	a block cipher always works with blocks; 128 bits in, 128 bits out
2021-08-29 10:46:36	grawity	in the CBC diagram, for example, block 1 is XOR'd with the IV; block 2 is XOR'd with the encrypted block 1; block 3 is XOR'd with the encrypted block 2; etc
2021-08-29 10:47:19	Nitrousoxide	Hmm, now that I consider the word "block" in block cipher, "placed onto the end of" was a pretty stupid suggestion
2021-08-29 10:47:32	Nitrousoxide	So allow me to rephrase
2021-08-29 10:47:56	Nitrousoxide	Is it essentially cryptographically secure data mathematically combined with the data to be encrypted?
2021-08-29 10:49:51	grawity	...I suppose? something like that, yes
2021-08-29 10:50:18	Nitrousoxide	good enough haha
2021-08-29 10:51:07	Nitrousoxide	so that brings about my next question, is plain64 an algorithm to generate the IV?
2021-08-29 10:52:42	grawity	yes, specifically in context of cipher modes meant for full disk encryption
2021-08-29 10:53:20	Nitrousoxide	so what does it use to generate the IV?
2021-08-29 10:53:46	grawity	not sure, but I feel comfortable in guessing it's just the sector number
2021-08-29 10:54:16	Nitrousoxide	Alright, thank you for all your help
2021-08-29 10:55:13	grawity	well, for XTS, it *seems* that encrypt(sector_number) is used as the IV for each sector, or something like that
2021-08-29 11:02:43	⚡ 	docmax_ loves arch
2021-08-29 11:15:00	weltio	what is SOMETHING in "SOMETHING::git+https://github.com/path/to.git"  for?
2021-08-29 11:15:15	weltio	excerpt from PKGBUILD/.SRCINFO
2021-08-29 11:15:34	grawity	local filename to store the downloaded file (or cloned repository) as
2021-08-29 11:16:00	grawity	e.g. "frob-1.2.3.tgz::https://example.com/v1.2.3/frob.tgz"
2021-08-29 11:17:30	weltio	grawity: but thats arch/PKGBUILD specific right?
2021-08-29 11:17:52	grawity	yes
2021-08-29 11:18:20	grawity	though alpine's apkbuild has it as well
2021-08-29 11:18:43	grawity	the #commit= or ?signed suffixes for Git repo URLs, though, are even more PKGBUILD-specific
2021-08-29 11:18:55	grawity	as much as I wish Git understood #commit= natively lol
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2021-08-29 11:37:05	th0rne	Is there a way to make an alias but so that the params are not at the end?
2021-08-29 11:37:27	grawity	if you want to preserve sanity -- no; make it a function instead
2021-08-29 11:37:42	grawity	foo() { the_actual_foo "$@" --really; }
2021-08-29 11:38:10	th0rne	Yeah, that's what I thought - but what's the not sane way?
2021-08-29 11:38:53	grawity	I've seen old posts doing this using the '!' history expansion inside an alias, although it might have been more of a csh thing (where it was the *only* way or something?)
2021-08-29 11:39:02	grawity	like !3 for the 3rd arg or something
2021-08-29 11:39:17	th0rne	Basically what's I'm trying to do is that a lot of programs don't set their tmux window names, but I'd for them to.
2021-08-29 11:39:38	grawity	but also https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/aliases.html is neat
2021-08-29 11:39:40	phrik	Title: Magic Aliases: A Layering Loophole in the Bourne Shell (at www.chiark.greenend.org.uk)
2021-08-29 11:39:51	th0rne	So something like this: alias ranger='tmux rename-window ranger && ranger; tmux set-option -w automatic-rename on'
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2021-08-29 11:40:04	th0rne	But it's annoying since then you can't use params.
2021-08-29 11:40:34	th0rne	It's sometimes hard to find the correct window when half of them are called 'python'.
2021-08-29 11:40:49	grawity	so you'd instead use ranger() { tmux renamew ranger; command ranger "$@"; tmux set -w automatic-rename on; }
2021-08-29 11:41:22	grawity	('command' makes sure to run actual binary and not the same function again)
2021-08-29 11:41:26	th0rne	Oh, nice!
2021-08-29 11:41:29	th0rne	Thanks! :)
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2021-08-29 11:42:08	th0rne	What's like a logical place to put this function in? "Should" it be in .bash_aliases?
2021-08-29 11:42:16	grawity	sure
2021-08-29 11:42:18	th0rne	Ok. :)
2021-08-29 11:42:29	grawity	I mean bash only cares about .bashrc, so it really depends on how your stuff is structured
2021-08-29 11:42:36	grawity	I just put it next to aliases, like https://github.com/grawity/dotfiles/blob/master/bash/aliases.sh#L102
2021-08-29 11:43:00	th0rne	Yeah, perfect! Thanks.
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2021-08-29 12:03:04	weeman	this lil script use fzf to switch tmux panes http://ix.io/3xiY
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2021-08-29 12:07:38	th0rne	But I assume it only works if they're all in the same session?
2021-08-29 12:08:38	th0rne	I use a combination of i3 windows and tmux tabs.
2021-08-29 12:09:15	th0rne	So that tmux manages the tabs inside each window and i3 manages the windows.
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2021-08-29 12:11:10	th0rne	I think it works well, and I have the same airline in tmux and vim, so I think it looks nice, too.
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2021-08-29 12:22:08	low-key	what makes discord_arch_electron from the AUR more secure and performant than what's packaged in the repos?
2021-08-29 12:22:25	teraflops	nothing I guess
2021-08-29 12:22:34	low-key	the wiki says it uses the system provided electron so is it about using a more up to date version of electron in case it's available?
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2021-08-29 12:27:21	ShapeShifter499	hi
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2021-08-29 12:27:52	ShapeShifter499	I read a old arch mailing list notice that there might be a switch from mkinitcpio to dracut.  Is this still going to happen?
2021-08-29 12:28:23	Namarrgon	there are no plans for a switch
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2021-08-29 12:28:39	ShapeShifter499	alright
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2021-08-29 12:29:41	ShapeShifter499	ok then I'm wondering, I can't seem to figure out how I would enable the 'clevis' part of the 'clevis and tang' decryption setup in mkinitcpio.   
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2021-08-29 12:30:19	ShapeShifter499	Does anyone know?   do I enable the systemd unit and then systemd in mkinitcpio or do I have to write a hook for it?
2021-08-29 12:30:55	Namarrgon	does the package come with any mkinitcpio hooks?
2021-08-29 12:31:11	ShapeShifter499	no, it comes with dracut hooks 
2021-08-29 12:31:32	Namarrgon	then you get to write the hooks yourself
2021-08-29 12:31:55	ShapeShifter499	it's the only arch linux package I've ever wanted to install so far that supports dracut over mkinitcpio and I'm not sure why
2021-08-29 12:32:39	Namarrgon	mkinitcpio is not a requirement, you're free to switch to dracut
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2021-08-29 12:35:17	mkoskar	th0rne: re: tmux window names, this would be much better if tmux used process' comm, I was maintaining a patch for it, because it was refused upstream as "it's linux specific", but that was years ago, even before hooks which iirc one of the maintainers who didn't like the patch said they should solve that (never understood how), I vaguely remember I mentioned it other time in #tmux and nicm was
2021-08-29 12:35:20	mkoskar	open to it
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2021-08-29 12:36:29	th0rne	Interesting. Yeah, I mean I totally agree, it would be much better if the users didn't have to rename the windows themselves.
2021-08-29 12:36:31	mkoskar	that would handle things like python -> ranger
2021-08-29 12:36:39	th0rne	Right, yeah. That would be a great feature.
2021-08-29 12:38:39	ShapeShifter499	Namarrgon: do you have any ideas as to why the clevis package would support dracut over mkinitcpio
2021-08-29 12:38:54	Namarrgon	because upstream doesn't support mkinitcpio
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2021-08-29 12:41:01	th0rne	mkoskar❱ But since you've maintained a patch for it, does that mean that you could have a 'tmux-window-names' patched package in the aur?
2021-08-29 12:41:07	feynhat	How does netctl encrypt the password in the config file? (and how can I decrypt it?)
2021-08-29 12:41:12	th0rne	mkoskar❱ Or you think upstream will eventually come around?
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2021-08-29 12:44:03	ShapeShifter499	Namarrgon: so I should bring this up with upstream then?
2021-08-29 12:44:42	Namarrgon	ShapeShifter499: you could file a feature request but i doubt they care about an obscure tool like mkinitcpio
2021-08-29 12:45:12	Namarrgon	feynhat: it's using wpa_passphrase
2021-08-29 12:47:26	mkoskar	th0rne: yep they might, it's on my TODO list to submit it as PR, it prob needs to be updated and such ... fwiw https://github.com/mkoskar/pkgbuilds/blob/master/.attic/tmux/0001-Read-name-from-proc-pid-comm-preferably.patch#L64
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2021-08-29 12:54:40	Namarrgon	ShapeShifter499: s/clang/clevis/
2021-08-29 12:54:42	ShapeShifter499	I sent a request then Namarrgon
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2021-08-29 12:57:39	ShapeShifter499	https://github.com/latchset/clevis/issues/334
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2021-08-29 12:58:54	Namarrgon	ctrl+f -> clang
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2021-08-29 13:01:33	ShapeShifter499	huh?
2021-08-29 13:01:58	Namarrgon	"that the clang package for Arch Linux doesn't have mkinitcpio"
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2021-08-29 13:03:03	ShapeShifter499	I never got that message 
2021-08-29 13:03:37	Namarrgon	you typod the project's name twice in your ticket
2021-08-29 13:03:46	ShapeShifter499	oh oops
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2021-08-29 13:04:43	ShapeShifter499	ok I fixed that, thank you
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2021-08-29 13:11:48	ShapeShifter499	I hate when I do that... god help me if I ever get deep into programming 
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2021-08-29 13:14:01	feynhat	Namarrgon: How is that PSK generated? Surely its a hash or an encryption or an encoding right?
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2021-08-29 13:14:15	Namarrgon	it's hashed, yes
2021-08-29 13:15:00	Namarrgon	https://w1.fi/cgit/hostap/tree/wpa_supplicant/wpa_passphrase.c#n61
2021-08-29 13:15:01	phrik	Title: hostap - hostapd/wpa_supplicant (at w1.fi)
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2021-08-29 17:45:34	duelle	Namarrgon https://bpa.st/AS2Q 
2021-08-29 17:45:35	phrik	Title: View paste AS2Q (at bpa.st)
2021-08-29 17:46:02	Namarrgon	the projector will downscale the image to its native resolution 
2021-08-29 17:47:48	duelle	Namarrgon interesting, I didn't know that.. But is there a way to at least have it 1920x1080 so I can mirror one (full) screen of my other screens? Otherwise I would only get a part of it. That's how I had it before.
2021-08-29 17:50:09	duelle	So have that resolution recognized in Arch. That would allow me to set it to mirror my main screen and display exactly that. If I can only get it to 1280x800 in xrandr then I only have a subset of it all. And scaling down the main screen to 1280x800 doesn't sound viable to me :/
2021-08-29 17:51:14	Namarrgon	what does xrandr return?
2021-08-29 17:51:44	duelle	Namarrgon https://bpa.st/XZBA
2021-08-29 17:51:45	phrik	Title: View paste XZBA (at bpa.st)
2021-08-29 17:52:15	duelle	Namarrgon With the switch in between again. Without the switch it also showed 1920x1080..
2021-08-29 17:52:24	duelle	So do I need to remove it to make it work at all?
2021-08-29 17:54:18	duelle	What's confusing me the most is that Windows properly shows the full resolution even with the switch. Both, Win and Arch both using the official Nvidia drivers.
2021-08-29 17:56:15	AmR	duelle: pm me.
2021-08-29 17:56:50	Namarrgon	what did "cvt -r 1920x1080" return?
2021-08-29 17:57:39	duelle	This is what I ran when trying to add the mode: https://bpa.st/4HXA
2021-08-29 17:57:41	phrik	Title: View paste 4HXA (at bpa.st)
2021-08-29 17:58:09	duelle	I didn't try it with the '-r' switch
2021-08-29 17:59:07	Namarrgon	can you post the output for the whole --newmode,--addmode, --mode combo?
2021-08-29 17:59:16	duelle	Sure, just a sec
2021-08-29 18:02:50	duelle	Namarrgon https://bpa.st/KJMQ
2021-08-29 18:02:51	phrik	Title: View paste KJMQ (at bpa.st)
2021-08-29 18:08:09	Namarrgon	weird
2021-08-29 18:11:42	Namarrgon	maybe it's just nvidia's limited randr support getting in the way
2021-08-29 18:13:14	duelle	Namarrgon In the "nvidia-settings" tool I also see 1600x900 as the maximum possible resolution. Even though nvidia-xconfig reports a max of 1920x1080..
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2021-08-29 18:16:45	duelle	Namarrgon could something like scaling resolve the issue to some extent? using 'xrandr --scale ...'? Especially if its downscaled in the projector anyways
2021-08-29 18:17:07	hussam	Can I ignore this "warn Set TR Deq Ptr cmd failed due to incorrect slot or ep state" if I am seeing no actual issues or does it require a reboot?
2021-08-29 18:17:29	NetSysFire	whats the full and exact error?
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2021-08-29 18:19:50	hussam	Aug 28 22:04:06 hades kernel: usb 1-3: USB disconnect, device number 9... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/3c9615957f94f1bed5e72c17b4d9781ccc43000f)
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2021-08-29 18:20:08	Namarrgon	duelle: what does "nvidia-settings -q CurrentaMetaMode" return?
2021-08-29 18:20:47	NetSysFire	hussam: i think you can ignore this
2021-08-29 18:21:24	ℹ 	Malinux- es conocido ahora como Malinux
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2021-08-29 18:22:35	duelle	Namarrgon I think I found at least a workaround. In my screen setup script for arandr I now set the mode to 1600x900 and put the --scale parameter with 1.2x1.2 and it seems to work that way.
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2021-08-29 18:22:38	duelle	The output is https://bpa.st/FLDQ
2021-08-29 18:22:39	phrik	Title: View paste FLDQ (at bpa.st)
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2021-08-29 18:29:54	hussam	NetSysFire: thank you.
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2021-08-29 19:40:38	Aryan	Hi, when I rsync my archlinux mirror, it changes the modification time of my directory ( the archlinux/ ). is it harmless to do touch /var/www/html/archlinux everytime I sync my mirror in order to make it look update?
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2021-08-29 19:44:17	Aryan	Did I explain well?
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2021-08-29 19:45:28	Aryan	I mean look at this: http://77.238.121.45/
2021-08-29 19:45:29	phrik	Title: Home • Directory Lister (at 77.238.121.45)
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2021-08-29 19:45:49	Aryan	I just synced the archlinux/ directory, 
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2021-08-29 20:01:11	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-08-29 20:01:11	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1347 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1347 normals)
2021-08-29 20:01:13	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-29 20:24:09	thrice	Not that I know the answer, but why does it matter?
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2021-08-29 20:29:49	teraflops	I think the repo is up-to-date based on package versions not in the date creation/modification time of a folder
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2021-08-29 20:30:31	thrice	yeah, .db files seems like a good candidate
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2021-08-29 20:31:46	th0rne	Does this mean that the tv doesn't support ddc? https://p.haavard.me/4gf.plain
2021-08-29 20:32:25	th0rne	I was hoping to adjust brightness over hdmi.
2021-08-29 20:32:26	ℹ 	dekenevs es conocido ahora como kitzman
2021-08-29 20:33:12	th0rne	Samsung has something called "anycast hdmi-cec", is that of any help?
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2021-08-29 20:37:36	th0rne	Sry, it's "anynet".
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2021-08-29 20:39:00	th0rne	If it can't do brightness, could I at least turn off the tv over hdmi?
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2021-08-29 21:31:29	susi	why's my 'ping' not resolving one .xyz address
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2021-08-29 21:32:26	sheep	susi: is the domain newly registered?
2021-08-29 21:33:39	NetSysFire	try dig
2021-08-29 21:33:41	susi	no, and other machine's ping find it :) I use stubby+dnsmasq as cache
2021-08-29 21:33:46	susi	dig finds it
2021-08-29 21:34:09	NetSysFire	refresh the cache if possible
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2021-08-29 21:34:16	sheep	ping is likely using glibc NSS to do to the name resolution. What do you have in the hosts line of /etc/nsswitch.conf?
2021-08-29 21:35:27	susi	hosts: files mymachines myhostname resolve [!UNAVAIL=return] dns
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2021-08-29 21:35:55	susi	should probably fix 'mymachines' and 'myhostname' too?
2021-08-29 21:36:06	sheep	so ping would still be going through systemd-resolved before trying a dns query
2021-08-29 21:36:39	sheep	you may need to set systemd-resolved to resolve through stubby+dnsmasq
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2021-08-29 21:37:08	sheep	it doesn't read /etc/resolv.conf. Instead it uses configuration in /etc/systemd/resolved and settings configured at runtime by systemd-networkd or other network managers
2021-08-29 21:38:14	susi	I removed 'resolve' from the conf
2021-08-29 21:38:18	susi	now it's working
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2021-08-29 21:39:26	susi	it did work for most of stuff anyways, just not for that one .xyz address
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2021-08-29 21:39:50	sheep	is that xyz address failing DNSSEC validation or something?
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2021-08-29 21:40:46	susi	and I had systemd-resolved disabled, and now that I removed "resolve [!UNA.." it's working
2021-08-29 21:40:58	susi	so I wonder why that even makes difference removing resolve
2021-08-29 21:41:04	sheep	how did you disable it?
2021-08-29 21:41:19	sheep	if drill is available, check drill -DT <whatever>.xyz and see if it succeeds
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2021-08-29 21:44:12	sheep	the reason I'm asking this isn't to push you to use systemd-resolved; it's to make sure that the domain is set up properly
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2021-08-29 21:44:30	susi	https://0x0.st/-t5x.txt
2021-08-29 21:44:57	sheep	so it looks like is passes DNSSEC by not having a bogus key
2021-08-29 21:45:08	susi	I have disabled it with systemctl disable and systemd-resolved=false in [main] NM .conf
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2021-08-29 21:45:38	sheep	if I remember correctly, the resolved NSS module is supposed to do nothing if resolved isn't running, but I guess you did need to remove it from nsswitch.conf too
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2021-08-29 21:47:48	susi	there was also [!UNAVAIL=return], which I understand as if resolve unavailable, don't return
2021-08-29 21:48:07	susi	and continue to next element on line
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2021-08-29 21:49:39	sheep	it's supposed to be "return if the status is not unavailable". I guess maybe there's a bug in nss_resolve where it doesn't report unavailable status correctly
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2021-08-29 21:55:14	susi	so I wonder why ping worked in the first place for anything
2021-08-29 21:55:32	susi	if it did not work for this one 
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2021-08-29 22:11:26	digital_mystik	is it possible to use w3m+sixel in the aerc email client? guessing it won't work since it has a built in terminal emulator (unless I've been doing something wrong) which probably doesn't support sixel.. any other recommendations for TUI clients that use the native terminal and either support w3m and/or sixel?
2021-08-29 22:11:43	sheep	there is mutt
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2021-08-29 22:13:09	pktdrop	+1 for mutt/neomutt
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2021-08-29 22:13:22	digital_mystik	yeah I'll have to dive into neo/mutt, haven't tried it before.. aerc is nice but it would be cool if it supported sixel
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2021-08-30 16:18:56	dagle	th0rne: Does systemctl poweroff work?
2021-08-30 16:20:10	th0rne	I could be wrong, but I think it's the same as 'shutdown -h now' on systemd systems? But I can try.
2021-08-30 16:24:16	th0rne	Seems to hang, as well. Idk if I changed so that I don't need to authenticate, although I feel like root should be able to shutdown also.
2021-08-30 16:25:08	th0rne	Is there any reason why shutdown might not work over ssh?
2021-08-30 16:25:31	Namarrgon	are you running it as root?
2021-08-30 16:25:43	Namarrgon	with sudo?
2021-08-30 16:26:07	th0rne	Yeah, it fails without.
2021-08-30 16:26:35	th0rne	Failed to set wall message / Failed to reboot system / Failed to talk to init daemon.
2021-08-30 16:27:15	th0rne	Keep in mind trying to shut down does cause the TV to go blank and ssh sessions to terminate, so it does do something.
2021-08-30 16:41:01	target_	can xorg be started manually without a dm to check if nvidia works correctly?
2021-08-30 16:41:10	dagle	Yes.
2021-08-30 16:41:29	dagle	startx is a way to do it.
2021-08-30 16:41:48	dagle	(it's just a convent script to start xorg)
2021-08-30 16:42:41	MacGyver	In fact, once you do this, you may find that you never re-enable your DM.
2021-08-30 16:46:00	target_	kek, maybe
2021-08-30 16:47:48	bleb	anyone know of a file browser that remembers the preferred sort criterion for each directory?
2021-08-30 16:48:31	baltazar	bleb: I think kde's dolphin can do it
2021-08-30 16:48:37	bleb	e.g. sort by name by default, but sort certain marked directories by last modification time
2021-08-30 16:51:58	bleb	i'll check it out
2021-08-30 16:52:05	bleb	i might just modify noice to do it
2021-08-30 16:55:08	target_	ran xinit and checked Xorg log with no mentions of nvidia or errors
2021-08-30 16:55:47	target_	not sure what should guide me to see if it works
2021-08-30 16:57:19	Namarrgon	target_: you want startx, not xinit. is this on a laptop?
2021-08-30 16:58:02	target_	sorry, installed the xinit package and ran startx
2021-08-30 16:58:08	target_	and yes, it's a laptop
2021-08-30 16:58:35	target_	but I've disabled nouveau because it's always causing problems with my hw
2021-08-30 16:58:50	Namarrgon	how did you disable nouveau?
2021-08-30 16:58:52	target_	And I don't want to run in hybrid mode
2021-08-30 16:59:10	target_	nouveau.modeset=0 in the kernel boot options
2021-08-30 16:59:35	Namarrgon	that doesn't do anything after you installed the nvidia packages, they already blacklist nouveau
2021-08-30 16:59:36	target_	but I guess I can remove that now that I've installed the Nvidia package which I think blacklists nouveau
2021-08-30 16:59:42	target_	lol, yeah
2021-08-30 17:00:35	target_	nvidia-smi works fine, just wanna know if I should bother with the Xorg.conf files or if it auto detects gpu
2021-08-30 17:01:04	Namarrgon	if it's not listed in the xorg log then it's not being used
2021-08-30 17:01:32	target_	greped for nvidia and got nothing
2021-08-30 17:01:43	Namarrgon	don't grep it, read it
2021-08-30 17:01:44	bleb	h4rd3n3D_: certain directories should be sorted by mtime, others by name
2021-08-30 17:01:56	bleb	h4rd3n3D_: do you know how dolphin stores that information?
2021-08-30 17:05:29	target_	Namarrgon no mention of nvidia or loading the driver
2021-08-30 17:06:26	Scimmia	and what *does* it use?
2021-08-30 17:08:07	target_	Scimmia X.Org video driver
2021-08-30 17:12:37	bleb	h4rd3n3D_: looks like it remembers the setting globablly, but does not have a setting per directory
2021-08-30 17:13:23	target_	generated a conf file with nvidia-xconfig and now xorg loads it
2021-08-30 17:13:23	bleb	e.g. if i sort by modification time, this applies to any directory i visit
2021-08-30 17:13:24	mingdao	xyproto: Do you have anyone, or are you, going to upgrade it?  I was just wanting to check it out.  If it's going to remain in that state, I'll install another OS in a VM and check there.
2021-08-30 17:13:40	mingdao	xyproto: If I like planner, I would pick it up in AUR.
2021-08-30 17:17:12	artefact	is there an easy way to put the archiso on a usb stick but still be able to use the remaining space on the stick?
2021-08-30 17:17:31	mpan	artefact: yes, wait.
2021-08-30 17:17:43	mongy	ventoy
2021-08-30 17:17:43	mpan	I will give you the example grub config for that.
2021-08-30 17:18:19	mpan	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1989158#p1989158
2021-08-30 17:18:20	phrik	Title: Add loopback.cfg in archiso / Installation / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-08-30 17:18:30	artefact	neat, i'll have a look mpan. thank you
2021-08-30 17:18:33	mpan	You just install grub onto USB and voila.
2021-08-30 17:19:02	mpan	I use that as my rescue USB stick, with the remaining space being used for backups.
2021-08-30 17:19:15	artefact	yeah that's exactly what i want
2021-08-30 17:19:17	mpan	Actually the backups are even on a separate partition.
2021-08-30 17:19:47	Namarrgon	you can also install arch to usb directly, which enables you to simply -Syu instead of redownloading the iso when you need more recent packages
2021-08-30 17:19:53	mpan	If putting new ISOs on the stick, test it after changing the entries. I was already caught with my pants down after some file names on the ISO have changed… ;)
2021-08-30 17:19:57	kain	target_: I just use acpi switching with my laptop
2021-08-30 17:20:23	artefact	mpan: so you install grub on the usb stick as normal?
2021-08-30 17:20:33	mpan	Yes
2021-08-30 17:21:00	mpan	Just later I write the grub.cfg manually and of course no mkinitcpio call, but using whatever is in the ISO.
2021-08-30 17:21:05	mongy	ventoy -i /dev/sda -r {reserved space in MB}.  ez
2021-08-30 17:21:59	mpan	As for installing Arch to USB stick: it’s also an option, though be aware it has one important difference. You can’t have multiple versions of it. While you may have multiple ISOs.
2021-08-30 17:30:51	artefact	i wonder if i can put the isos directly on the ESP
2021-08-30 17:30:54	NerdWannaBe	Hello guys, if i remove 
2021-08-30 17:31:12	Namarrgon	if the ESP is large enough, sure
2021-08-30 17:31:21	NerdWannaBe	Hello guys, if i remove xf86-video-amdgpu will i use 'radeon' automatically ?
2021-08-30 17:31:37	Namarrgon	NerdWannaBe: no, it will fall back to the modesetting driver
2021-08-30 17:32:21	NerdWannaBe	Namarrgon: Oh!, but i can't: pacman -S radeon  what should i do to use it ?
2021-08-30 17:32:34	Namarrgon	NerdWannaBe: why are you trying to switch to radeon?
2021-08-30 17:32:48	NerdWannaBe	Becouse a bug
2021-08-30 17:32:55	Namarrgon	you have the choice only on CI/SI gpus, everything older is tied to radeon, everything newer is tied to amdgpu
2021-08-30 17:33:02	Namarrgon	*CIK
2021-08-30 17:33:10	NerdWannaBe	Just trying out things to solve it, although idk if it will work
2021-08-30 17:33:18	Namarrgon	which gpu do you have?
2021-08-30 17:34:31	NerdWannaBe	I got a: AMD A 9700 cpu
2021-08-30 17:35:06	Namarrgon	how did you switch to the amdgpu driver?
2021-08-30 17:35:29	NerdWannaBe	Namarrgon: i just installed it: sudo pacman -S xf86-video-amdgpu
2021-08-30 17:35:43	NerdWannaBe	But i wanna switch to radeon just to try things out
2021-08-30 17:35:43	Namarrgon	lsmod | grep -E "(amdgpu|radeon)"
2021-08-30 17:36:15	NerdWannaBe	Becouse of this bug:  https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=211875
2021-08-30 17:36:47	NerdWannaBe	Namarrgon: I'm using 'amdgpu' atm
2021-08-30 17:36:53	NerdWannaBe	!paste
2021-08-30 17:36:53	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-30 17:36:53	Namarrgon	what is the output?
2021-08-30 17:38:03	NerdWannaBe	Namarrgon: https://paste.rs/D1H
2021-08-30 17:38:28	Namarrgon	what is in /etc/modprobe.d ?
2021-08-30 17:38:50	NerdWannaBe	Namarrgon: there is nothing
2021-08-30 17:38:55	NerdWannaBe	empty folder
2021-08-30 17:39:07	Namarrgon	what is in /proc/cmdline?
2021-08-30 17:39:37	NerdWannaBe	Namarrgon: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-linux-zen root=UUID=8a5e74bd-f022-4c0c-b407-5927be9f4a95 rw loglevel=3 quiet
2021-08-30 17:40:52	NerdWannaBe	I've try zen kernel with no luck :p i already tried plain 'linux' and 'linux-lts' with no luck solving this bug, i even tried 'linux-lts-54' from AUR but nothing :'(
2021-08-30 17:41:27	Namarrgon	amdgpu's CIK/SI support is disabled by default, i'm not sure why your system uses amdgpu
2021-08-30 17:41:52	NerdWannaBe	Me niehter :D
2021-08-30 17:42:43	Namarrgon	can you post the dmesg output?
2021-08-30 17:45:16	NerdWannaBe	Yes i will
2021-08-30 17:48:00	NerdWannaBe	!paste 
2021-08-30 17:48:01	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-30 17:48:29	NerdWannaBe	Namarrgon: https://bpa.st/E2LQ
2021-08-30 17:48:30	phrik	Title: View paste E2LQ (at bpa.st)
2021-08-30 17:49:04	NerdWannaBe	Bug appears at the bottom: [ 2752.107107] amdgpu: smu8_send_msg_to_smc_with_parameter(0x026e) aborted; SMU still servicing msg (0x0011) 
2021-08-30 17:51:28	Namarrgon	nothing radeon-related in /usr/lib/modprobe.d either?
2021-08-30 17:52:52	NerdWannaBe	Nothing, i only got this: https://bpa.st/QQRQ   from:  /usr/lib/modprobe.d/systemd.conf
2021-08-30 17:52:53	phrik	Title: View paste QQRQ (at bpa.st)
2021-08-30 17:54:30	Namarrgon	well, follow the steps on the amdgpu page and disable the support in amdgpu and enable it in radeon
2021-08-30 17:54:52	Namarrgon	make sure you know how to boot into any of the non-graphical targets before you try this
2021-08-30 17:55:53	NerdWannaBe	Ok, i will do that, thanks, idk about non-graphical targets, but i know how to fix broken arch systems with my USB :D
2021-08-30 17:56:04	Namarrgon	that works too
2021-08-30 17:56:24	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AMDGPU#Enable_Southern_Islands_(SI)_and_Sea_Islands_(CIK)_support
2021-08-30 17:56:25	phrik	Title: AMDGPU - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-30 17:56:28	Namarrgon	just do the reverse
2021-08-30 17:56:56	NerdWannaBe	arch-chrooting and stuff :p couple of days ago i had to chroot to: grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg :p
2021-08-30 17:57:15	NerdWannaBe	Ok, i will
2021-08-30 17:58:21	susi	if I install intel-media-driver, will it replace mesa or xf86-video-intel?
2021-08-30 18:00:49	susi	https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/intel-media-driver/
2021-08-30 18:00:52	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - intel-media-driver 21.3.2-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2021-08-30 18:01:54	susi	maybe it just provides some VA-API and does not replace anything?
2021-08-30 18:10:10	susi	for some reason -Qi nor -Qq lists it, -S installs it though
2021-08-30 18:10:54	NerdWannaBe	Namarrgon: you here ?
2021-08-30 18:10:54	susi	tried -Syy too
2021-08-30 18:11:18	Namarrgon	NerdWannaBe: yes
2021-08-30 18:13:09	NerdWannaBe	Namarrgon: i did what's in  wiki, i've made:  /etc/modprobe.d/amdgpu.conf  and  /etc/modprobe.d/radeon.conf  i did set all values to 0 except: "options radeon cik_support=1"  and my /etc/mkinitcpio.conf looks like: MODULES=(radeon radeon)
2021-08-30 18:13:20	NerdWannaBe	I'll reboot now
2021-08-30 18:14:01	susi	h4rd3n3D_: nuthin, so it seems it does not replace anything
2021-08-30 18:14:48	NerdWannaBe	Sorry my /etc/mkinitcpio.conf files looks like this:  MODULES=(radeon amdgpu)
2021-08-30 18:18:23	susi	h4rd3n3D_: you gave your -Qi output somewhere?
2021-08-30 18:18:33	susi	oh yea, sorry, noticed it now
2021-08-30 18:25:59	chuck_	!paste
2021-08-30 18:25:59	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-30 18:26:58	NerdWannaBe	Namarrgon: please look at my paste :p  https://bpa.st/KKOQ
2021-08-30 18:27:00	phrik	Title: View paste KKOQ (at bpa.st)
2021-08-30 18:27:34	NerdWannaBe	I think i'm using both :p oddly though this thing is working, i mean i got graphics :p
2021-08-30 18:27:51	NerdWannaBe	Should i deactivate amdgpu ?
2021-08-30 18:30:04	NerdWannaBe	brb
2021-08-30 18:32:28	susi	vainfo shows "VA-API version: 1.12 (libva 2.12.0)", so either mesa or xf86-video-intel already supports VA-API, so is there any reason to install intel-media-driver... these intel driver stuff is complicated
2021-08-30 18:34:31	NerdWannaBe	Namarrgon: Are you there ?
2021-08-30 18:34:42	Mysterytrain	mine says: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation CometLake-S GT2 [UHD Graphics 630]. but i use xf86-video-dummy lol
2021-08-30 18:37:44	Namarrgon	NerdWannaBe: post the dmesg output again
2021-08-30 18:37:56	NerdWannaBe	Ok
2021-08-30 18:38:04	NerdWannaBe	!paste
2021-08-30 18:38:05	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-08-30 18:38:59	NerdWannaBe	Namarrgon: https://bpa.st/MRGA
2021-08-30 18:39:01	phrik	Title: View paste MRGA (at bpa.st)
2021-08-30 18:40:11	NerdWannaBe	Lemme tell you, i even uninstalled xf86-video-amdgpu and is still being used by kernel :p
2021-08-30 18:40:26	susi	needs rebooting probably
2021-08-30 18:40:46	NerdWannaBe	susi: i did, two reboots and still there
2021-08-30 18:40:48	Namarrgon	NerdWannaBe: the ddx driver has no impact on this
2021-08-30 18:40:59	Namarrgon	NerdWannaBe: did you rebuild the initramfs images after editing mkinitcpio.conf?
2021-08-30 18:42:15	NerdWannaBe	Namarrgon: what i did was... i uninstalled 'linux-zen' and then install 'linux' using pacman again, to rebuild the initramfs, am i right ?
2021-08-30 18:43:22	Namarrgon	"mkinitcpio -P"
2021-08-30 18:44:03	Namarrgon	don't randomly switch kernels while someone is helping you, don't do any random things without telling them
2021-08-30 18:44:34	NerdWannaBe	Namarrgon: https://bpa.st/XSDQ
2021-08-30 18:44:35	phrik	Title: View paste XSDQ (at bpa.st)
2021-08-30 18:44:37	NerdWannaBe	Ok sorry
2021-08-30 18:45:03	Namarrgon	post your two modprobe configs, too
2021-08-30 18:45:57	NerdWannaBe	Namarrgon: https://bpa.st/7JZQ  https://bpa.st/4Z2Q
2021-08-30 18:45:59	phrik	Title: View paste 7JZQ (at bpa.st)
2021-08-30 18:48:06	Namarrgon	why did you disable radeon's si_support ?
2021-08-30 18:48:50	NerdWannaBe	Becouse my integrated graphic card is a R7 :p i did wrong right ?
2021-08-30 18:49:08	Namarrgon	some of the R7's are SI
2021-08-30 18:49:28	NerdWannaBe	Ok, i'll enable it, just a sec
2021-08-30 18:49:45	NerdWannaBe	Done
2021-08-30 18:49:56	Namarrgon	rebuild the initramfs images again and reboot
2021-08-30 18:49:57	NerdWannaBe	mkinitcpio again ?
2021-08-30 18:50:06	NerdWannaBe	Ok ok, i'll do that
2021-08-30 18:50:21	Namarrgon	i have to drop out of an ~hour
2021-08-30 18:50:26	Namarrgon	*for an
2021-08-30 18:50:40	NerdWannaBe	It's ok Namarrgon thanks you brother
2021-08-30 18:52:28	NerdWannaBe	I'll use the system as it is, the bug is kind of annoying cuz affect scaling so the systems feels like you are using a pentium 4 processor or something really cheap, but nvm, i'll use it as it is, thanks you agian <3
2021-08-30 18:59:10	aaket504	`/key bind meta-n /bar toggle nicklist`.
2021-08-30 18:59:27	aaket504	my bad
2021-08-30 18:59:54	LordChaos	Anybody on Sway by any chance?
2021-08-30 19:00:00	aaket504	I am
2021-08-30 19:00:35	LordChaos	I've been having this occasional audio distortion (crackling noise) sincwe three weeks or so...
2021-08-30 19:01:37	aaket504	I don't think that sway affects audio but maybe someone else would know better
2021-08-30 19:01:49	LordChaos	I've tried all sorts of stuff, but I can't figure out the issue...it doesn't happen with an Ubuntu 21.04 live iso
2021-08-30 19:02:32	LordChaos	aaket504: I agree, but I'm getting desperate. Tried different kernels, pipewire <--> pulseaudio
2021-08-30 19:02:43	LordChaos	to no avail
2021-08-30 19:03:32	aaket504	That's odd I'm not sure
2021-08-30 19:03:59	LordChaos	aaket504: do you have sof-firmware installed?
2021-08-30 19:04:36	aaket504	no
2021-08-30 19:05:05	th0rne	Does anyone know why might shutting down a system over ssh cause it to hang when shutting down locally works?
2021-08-30 19:05:33	Almindor	hello, how can I reset the USB subsystem without a reboot? I have an odd bug/device that read-errors sometimes but it causes the computer to stop finding it. The device itself works elsewhere but I have to do a full reboot each time to get the kernel to discover it again
2021-08-30 19:06:40	mingdao	Almindor: I don't know, but back in the day on ... Slackware or Gentoo? ... rchotplug restart
2021-08-30 19:06:42	grazzolini	Almindor: afaik, you can't reset the hardware without an actual reboot. but, you can try to remove all the USB modules and add them again
2021-08-30 19:07:08	mingdao	I'll find the Arch equivalent.
2021-08-30 19:07:40	Almindor	grazzolini: removing this one and re-adding doesn't work. There's some sort of stateful bug in the kernel or hw itself. It even causes my system to hang on shutdown if it happens, I have to power down
2021-08-30 19:08:04	grazzolini	Almindor: you have to remove the hub modules too
2021-08-30 19:08:07	Almindor	lsusb hangs too when it's in this state
2021-08-30 19:08:09	mingdao	Almindor: Something from udev maybe.
2021-08-30 19:08:10	grazzolini	not just the device modules
2021-08-30 19:08:38	grazzolini	Almindor: if the hardware itself its broken, I don't think there's much you can do.
2021-08-30 19:18:12	Hello71	what does "read-errors" mean
2021-08-30 19:22:08	baltazar	Hello71: what's the full error, and what gave you that?
2021-08-30 19:26:13	Hello71	...
2021-08-30 19:36:26	baltazar	oh, was this a response to something prior?
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2021-08-30 19:57:32	ice99	i got bran new laptop wit 11th gen i7 however i found that it does thermal throttling so the performance degrades when it reaches certain temp which makes it useless for me on high demanding applications; is there anyway to modify this behavior?
2021-08-30 19:58:09	th0rne	You want to melt your laptop, or?
2021-08-30 19:58:19	th0rne	Just put it in the oven.
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2021-08-30 19:59:42	Mysterytrain	get a cooling pad
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2021-08-30 20:03:36	ice99	max intel temp is 100c it's throttling at 60c, my previous laptop was reaching +90 on high load and that was the normal
2021-08-30 20:04:08	th0rne	Did you check bios?
2021-08-30 20:04:16	ice99	there is no setting for that at all
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2021-08-30 20:05:27	teraflops	what a waste of energy
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2021-08-30 20:07:12	ijr	H4rd3n3D_: sory for the late response, yes, almost done
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2021-08-30 20:07:43	ijr	I am still compiling
2021-08-30 20:08:12	GloriousArch	hello! I've put myself in a very weird situation ... (wow 1337 people here)
2021-08-30 20:08:42	GloriousArch	so I have a 100MB ESP @ /boot, and I use systemd-boot 
2021-08-30 20:09:06	th0rne	100M seems pretty small.
2021-08-30 20:09:17	GloriousArch	yes it was autogenrated by windows
2021-08-30 20:09:20	teraflops	how many OSes do you boot?
2021-08-30 20:09:34	GloriousArch	and I've never noticed until I started using systemd-boot
2021-08-30 20:09:40	GloriousArch	just windows 10 and arch
2021-08-30 20:10:00	th0rne	But maybe you want to generate a fallback and have lts.
2021-08-30 20:10:02	GloriousArch	I have whopping 4MB of space left!
2021-08-30 20:10:03	teraflops	100MB for both is a bit tight imo
2021-08-30 20:10:47	GloriousArch	so my problem is that I can't `mkinitpio -P` 
2021-08-30 20:10:53	ijr	h4rd3n3D_: 1 so far, i I started building with makepkg, it patched up the files, now I'm building the C++ files (48262), but I am still suspicious that there may be one more when I finish this one\
2021-08-30 20:11:14	aaket504	yeah mine is 107MB and I just installed last week. Not many kernel updates
2021-08-30 20:11:22	GloriousArch	I suspect that I have enough space if the update would be in place
2021-08-30 20:11:23	teraflops	GloriousArch: ain't you make it larger?
2021-08-30 20:11:47	GloriousArch	teraflops: there is a windows partition next to it
2021-08-30 20:12:02	GloriousArch	can I enlarge it without formatting it?
2021-08-30 20:12:16	teraflops	tried doing it from windows itself?
2021-08-30 20:12:38	GloriousArch	I don't know about that, windows doesn't even mount it haha
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2021-08-30 20:13:11	teraflops	it has to be unmounted anyways
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2021-08-30 20:13:43	ijr	GloriousArch: IIRC I don't think windows is able to move the beginning to the ntfs filesystem
2021-08-30 20:14:07	teraflops	you can tell mkinitcpio to not create the fallback image, but that's not a good idea if you ask me
2021-08-30 20:14:14	GloriousArch	yes but sadly systemd-boot can only boot if you also put the vmlinuz and the initramfs in esp
2021-08-30 20:14:48	GloriousArch	teraflops: is it that bad? something I can't fix with a chroot?
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2021-08-30 20:15:41	teraflops	not bad itself, but maybe you have to use the arch iso morre often if there's anything wrong with the initcpio image generated
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2021-08-30 20:16:55	th0rne	Yeah, I mean obviously it's no big deal if you have a separate /boot.
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2021-08-30 20:17:42	GloriousArch	so how do I tell mkinitcpio not to create the fallback img
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2021-08-30 20:17:56	th0rne	The fallback can be useful, though.
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2021-08-30 20:19:00	teraflops	by editing /etc/mkinitcpio.d/linux.preset 
2021-08-30 20:19:40	GloriousArch	ok done!
2021-08-30 20:19:45	teraflops	GloriousArch: nothing you cannot fix using the arch iso indeed
2021-08-30 20:19:56	ijr	beware though, initramfs fallback is kinda like an airbag, so I'd recommend keeping a liveusb with you if you really wan't to keep it like this
2021-08-30 20:19:58	GloriousArch	and I still have the old fallback img
2021-08-30 20:20:03	teraflops	GloriousArch: then regenerate it
2021-08-30 20:20:04	GloriousArch	is it still usefull?
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2021-08-30 20:20:12	teraflops	mkinitcpio -p linux
2021-08-30 20:20:39	teraflops	GloriousArch: the idea is to delete it :P
2021-08-30 20:20:54	teraflops	y'know, to make room
2021-08-30 20:21:27	ijr	GloriusArch: it contains the "default" drivers, so if you have some misconfiguration in mkinitramfs you have the fallback which has the defaults
2021-08-30 20:21:41	th0rne	Can I disable a single usb port? Like unplugging a device, but via cli?
2021-08-30 20:21:44	GloriousArch	teraflops: oh I know but I could generate the default one without deleting the old fallback
2021-08-30 20:22:06	GloriousArch	somehow
2021-08-30 20:22:15	teraflops	yeah, as you can see the fallback image is bigger because it uses all the stuff
2021-08-30 20:22:45	teraflops	it is easier to boot from it if there is stuff missing in the default image 
2021-08-30 20:22:53	GloriousArch	so do I just keep the old fallback? would it still work if the kernel gets updated?
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2021-08-30 20:23:09	teraflops	I don't think so
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2021-08-30 20:23:53	teraflops	GloriousArch: also after that you have to re-generate your boot configuration
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2021-08-30 20:23:59	Hello71	th0rne: not exactly
2021-08-30 20:24:04	th0rne	Exactly?
2021-08-30 20:24:31	Hello71	you can unbind the driver
2021-08-30 20:24:40	Hello71	for future devices turn on usb authorization
2021-08-30 20:25:09	GloriousArch	teraflops: oh yes 
2021-08-30 20:25:10	th0rne	And this works to "disconnect" just one usb port/device?
2021-08-30 20:25:10	teraflops	GloriousArch: every time kernel package gets updated initcpio images are generated, in you case just the default one 
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2021-08-30 20:26:12	teraflops	since you have a boot entry (I guess) for the fallback image and there's no fallback image anymore, you have get rid of the fallback menu item
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2021-08-30 20:27:02	GloriousArch	yes in the case of systemd-boot it's just a arch-fallback.conf file
2021-08-30 20:27:04	teraflops	fallback image is one of those things you never use when you have it, but that you miss when you do not have it :)
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2021-08-30 20:27:50	GloriousArch	well the Microsoft file are 27MB
2021-08-30 20:27:55	GloriousArch	files*
2021-08-30 20:28:08	GloriousArch	and most of them are just for localization
2021-08-30 20:28:11	teraflops	fallback image here is 32MB
2021-08-30 20:28:14	MacGyver	GloriousArch: Now express *both* of those things as a percentage of total disk space.
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2021-08-30 20:29:02	MacGyver	Why don't you simply grow the ESP?
2021-08-30 20:29:08	th0rne	Instead of having Arch, what if you just had three Windows kernels?
2021-08-30 20:29:15	teraflops	it's not a disk space issue but the absence of knowledge about make the ESP bigger
2021-08-30 20:29:16	earnestly	Grow that crushing sound
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2021-08-30 20:29:32	GloriousArch	Microsoft folder = 25% , initramfs 54% ...
2021-08-30 20:29:57	teraflops	we already tol them to make it bigger in the first place
2021-08-30 20:30:11	GloriousArch	MacGyver: I want to but I've done it before ...
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2021-08-30 20:30:18	GloriousArch	never*
2021-08-30 20:30:50	earnestly	(Ultragiganator reference)
2021-08-30 20:30:59	MacGyver	Well, there's a first time for everything, as they say.
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2021-08-30 20:31:11	GloriousArch	MacGyver: right after esp there is a 16MB "Microsoft Reserved Partition". I have no idea what that is or what it does
2021-08-30 20:31:29	GloriousArch	doesn't seem to have a fs
2021-08-30 20:31:42	HEX0	maybe it's for bitlocker and shit
2021-08-30 20:31:54	MacGyver	Nah, it's documented *somewhere* what those do.
2021-08-30 20:31:58	teraflops	yo uhave to do that from windows itself
2021-08-30 20:32:03	MacGyver	Still, 16MiB isn't what I had in mind.
2021-08-30 20:32:18	HEX0	nvm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Reserved_Partition
2021-08-30 20:32:20	phrik	Title: Microsoft Reserved Partition - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2021-08-30 20:32:35	teraflops	it's plain fat filesystem, isnt it?
2021-08-30 20:32:47	GloriousArch	MacGyver: also, do you know if I would need to wipe it in the process?
2021-08-30 20:33:14	GloriousArch	teraflops: gparted says it's "unknown"
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2021-08-30 20:33:29	teraflops	gparted is not shiped by windows :P
2021-08-30 20:33:30	GloriousArch	damn proprietary software
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2021-08-30 20:33:37	teraflops	install fat utilities maybe
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2021-08-30 20:33:54	MacGyver	My normal process for this used to be to simply shrink the *last* partition on the drive, shift everything as needed, then grow the ESP.
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2021-08-30 20:34:52	MacGyver	Of course step 0 is always to take a complete binary image of the drive.
2021-08-30 20:35:17	MacGyver	Using cp, cat, gzip, or, if you're feeling so inclined, dd.
2021-08-30 20:35:18	teraflops	I wouldnt mess with windows partitions fro linux
2021-08-30 20:35:23	teraflops	from^
2021-08-30 20:35:29	MacGyver	teraflops: Sometimes you have to.
2021-08-30 20:35:50	teraflops	I wouldnt recommend it either
2021-08-30 20:36:06	MacGyver	And I've done it quite enough times to believe the procedure to be pretty straightforward.
2021-08-30 20:36:30	MacGyver	I don't believe it even requires any kind of boot repair anymore.
2021-08-30 20:36:41	MacGyver	Still, that's what the byte-for-byte backup is for.
2021-08-30 20:37:13	GloriousArch	well I'd rather chroot into Arch some day into the future than risk messing up ESP now. Just gotta remind myself not to let windows parition for me in the future
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2021-08-30 20:37:45	GloriousArch	thank you all!
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2021-08-30 20:40:25	th0rne	I don't think that's the point.
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2021-08-30 20:41:18	teraflops	GloriousArch: i do not have a windows at hand but maybe the reserved windows thingy is what gparted cannot identify
2021-08-30 20:41:34	GloriousArch	h4rd3n3D_: and I agree, I just happen to use systemd-boot which "can launch follow-on boot programs (including Linux kernels) only from the partition from which it was launched itself."
2021-08-30 20:41:37	teraflops	that tiny and annoying partition
2021-08-30 20:41:39	GloriousArch	https://superuser.com/questions/1230741/how-to-resize-the-efi-system-partition
2021-08-30 20:41:40	phrik	Title: linux - How to resize the EFI System Partition? - Super User (at superuser.com)
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2021-08-30 20:47:11	GloriousArch	TIL https://github.com/fosskers/aura exists
2021-08-30 20:47:38	GloriousArch	"Aura scans PKGBUILDs before building to detect bash misuse and other exploits. The -P command is also provided for scanning your own PKGBUILDs."
2021-08-30 20:47:44	th0rne	!aurutils
2021-08-30 20:47:44	phrik	Alad broke it
2021-08-30 20:48:07	GloriousArch	anyone knows how good is this feature?
2021-08-30 20:48:24	th0rne	It's annoying and not useful.
2021-08-30 20:48:49	GloriousArch	how so?
2021-08-30 20:49:05	GloriousArch	I didn't see any of the code myself so I have no idea
2021-08-30 20:49:13	jelle	GloriousArch: no detection is perfect
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2021-08-30 20:49:56	th0rne	You should look at the pkgbuild manually. aura just gives you errors and prompts everytime you try to update nerd fonts or youcompleteme. It's not really useful.
2021-08-30 20:51:03	th0rne	Also, Arch already ships with a package manager, so it's questionable how useful it is to have another package manager on top.
2021-08-30 20:52:40	th0rne	Certainly if you have multiple systems running arch, then something like aurutils makes it pretty convenient to just have to build each package on one system.
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2021-08-30 20:55:50	th0rne	Also, aura has had some pretty crazy bugs in the past, like making /tmp not writable.
2021-08-30 20:56:45	GloriousArch	sounds really bad
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2021-08-30 20:57:10	GloriousArch	do _you_ use an AUR helper?
2021-08-30 20:57:22	th0rne	I'm a fan of aurutils.
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2021-08-30 21:05:29	rcf	Imagine trusting alad to manage your system 
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2021-08-30 21:15:19	teraflops	!🎱
2021-08-30 21:15:20	phrik	teraflops: BLEEP BLOOP
2021-08-30 21:16:04	jelle	rcf: lol
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2021-08-30 21:33:24	gaiaberd	hello
2021-08-30 21:33:32	gaiaberd	i have the following problem:
2021-08-30 21:33:38	gaiaberd	i want to disable nftables temporarily
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2021-08-30 21:33:48	gaiaberd	but modprobe --remove nf_tables doesnt work since it is used
2021-08-30 21:33:52	gaiaberd	is there another way?
2021-08-30 21:33:59	gaiaberd	with iptables i just used to stop the service
2021-08-30 21:34:02	linsux	why is the font butt ugly
2021-08-30 21:34:15	teraflops	it looks nice here :P
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2021-08-30 21:37:05	nobodies	galaberd, does it have to be disabled?, could just do nft flush ruleset?
2021-08-30 21:38:18	gaiaberd	i tried that
2021-08-30 21:38:23	gaiaberd	networking stopped working altogether
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2021-08-30 21:42:45	nobodies	galaberd, not sure then tbh, i would have thought networking should work fine with no rules, unless you have something in there required to make your networking work
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2021-08-30 21:59:31	Hello71	i don't think stop iptables actually does anything
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2021-08-30 22:00:31	Hello71	oh, iptables stop works but nftables stop doesn't do anything
2021-08-30 22:00:59	gaiaberd	yeah
2021-08-30 22:01:50	buttermelted	warum würde man emacs als daemon oder systemd-daemon laufen lassen?
2021-08-30 22:02:09	NetSysFire	this is an english channel but you wouldnt
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2021-08-30 22:06:01	Mysterytrain	what bibblebabble was that?
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2021-08-30 22:14:33	NetSysFire	they asked why you would run emacs as a daemon/systemd service
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2021-08-30 22:15:14	buttermelted	also ich versuche gerade melpa in emacs zu installieren, aber das theme dass ich installieren will taucht nicht in install packages auf
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2021-08-30 22:15:57	buttermelted	package refresh done sagt er mir
2021-08-30 22:16:06	buttermelted	warum ist das theme nicht zum installieren?
2021-08-30 22:16:15	NetSysFire	please speak english in here since not everyone speaks german
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2021-08-30 22:16:42	NetSysFire	alternatively there is #archlinux-de if you need help in german
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2021-08-30 22:17:51	buttermelted	sry
2021-08-30 22:18:20	buttermelted	i am trying to install melpa in emacs and it says the package refresh was done, but the theme i am looking for is not there
2021-08-30 22:19:22	buttermelted	what do i have to do
2021-08-30 22:19:34	buttermelted	i thought its M-x package-install
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2021-08-30 22:20:47	NetSysFire	this question is rather specific to emacs, did you consider asking #emacs?
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2021-08-30 22:23:00	CandyAngel	MrElendig: Bluetooth audio now works on ALSA now the PC has been shut down and started again so.. yeah.. just a stupid permissions issue with dbus
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2021-08-30 22:24:12	buttermelted	got it
2021-08-30 22:24:15	buttermelted	works
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2021-08-30 22:27:28	teraflops	CandyAngel: what's your use case? 
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2021-08-30 22:28:17	teraflops	i don't think there is any advantage on doing that way over pulseaudio 
2021-08-30 22:28:37	CandyAngel	Sure there is. I don't need PA installed :P
2021-08-30 22:29:06	CandyAngel	It's only so my random computer in my workshop can output to the BT speaker I have here
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2021-08-30 22:29:41	CandyAngel	Target is to attach a Pi to the speakers AUX input eventually
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2021-08-30 22:29:58	CandyAngel	I got one of those audio hats for that
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2021-08-30 22:31:06	teraflops	pulseaudio ships with ldac, aptx and aac codecs btw
2021-08-30 22:31:38	CandyAngel	Okay?
2021-08-30 22:32:28	teraflops	!🐐
2021-08-30 22:32:29	phrik	https://i.imgur.com/263enxT.jpg
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2021-08-30 22:34:54	The-Compiler	:D
2021-08-30 22:35:00	The-Compiler	!🐍
2021-08-30 22:35:01	phrik	The-Compiler: Is that a question?
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2021-08-30 22:35:32	The-Compiler	phrik: 🐍 is https://xkcd.com/353/
2021-08-30 22:35:32	phrik	The-Compiler: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
2021-08-30 22:35:40	The-Compiler	meh
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2021-08-30 22:37:05	The-Compiler	!🐍
2021-08-30 22:37:06	phrik	🐍 is https://xkcd.com/353/
2021-08-30 22:37:09	archdemon	reboot
2021-08-30 22:37:16	The-Compiler	close enough
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2021-08-30 22:37:30	NetSysFire	The-Compiler: watch and learn
2021-08-30 22:37:44	NetSysFire	!no 🐍 is "<reply>https://xkcd.com/353/"
2021-08-30 22:37:45	phrik	NetSysFire: Tada!
2021-08-30 22:37:46	The-Compiler	I guess I forgot a <reply> or something
2021-08-30 22:37:47	The-Compiler	yeah
2021-08-30 22:37:53	NetSysFire	!give The-Compiler 🐍
2021-08-30 22:37:55	phrik	The-Compiler: https://xkcd.com/353/
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2021-08-30 22:38:34	The-Compiler	it's been a while since I messed with what I'm guessing is a Supybot/Limnoria
2021-08-30 22:38:42	teraflops	it is
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2021-08-30 22:39:39	NetSysFire	!give The-Compiler aw phrik
2021-08-30 22:39:40	phrik	The-Compiler: Phrik - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Phrik
2021-08-30 22:39:43	NetSysFire	useful cheatsheet
2021-08-30 22:39:53	The-Compiler	http://git.the-compiler.org/infobotfactoids-limnoria/about/ time flies, more than 9 years ago
2021-08-30 22:39:59	phrik	Title: infobotfactoids-limnoria - Supybot/Gribble/Limnoria plugin to handle Infobot databases (at git.the-compiler.org)
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2021-08-30 22:43:23	CandyAngel	What can I say? I prefer to use software that works well for me?
2021-08-30 22:43:38	CandyAngel	So far, ALSA is still better than PA *for me*
2021-08-30 22:43:45	yans	Buona sera ;]
2021-08-30 22:43:58	NetSysFire	!best
2021-08-30 22:43:59	phrik	Use whatever suits _you_ best.
2021-08-30 22:44:13	mangix	yans: a river derci
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2021-08-30 22:45:49	rabbitnightmare	ok so I am so confused
2021-08-30 22:45:56	rabbitnightmare	brand new PC, MSI motherboard
2021-08-30 22:46:01	rabbitnightmare	amd apu
2021-08-30 22:46:05	rabbitnightmare	nvme ssd brand new
2021-08-30 22:46:11	rabbitnightmare	I run archinstall
2021-08-30 22:46:13	rabbitnightmare	reboot
2021-08-30 22:46:20	rabbitnightmare	bsod from windows boot manager
2021-08-30 22:46:29	rabbitnightmare	I go into the bios and I cant boot to arch
2021-08-30 22:46:39	rabbitnightmare	I can boot to it from the usb
2021-08-30 22:46:53	rabbitnightmare	but it will act like it installs but then NOT boot into the system
2021-08-30 22:46:57	rabbitnightmare	I use systemd boot
2021-08-30 22:47:04	rabbitnightmare	I have NEVER had an issue with systemd boot ever
2021-08-30 22:47:19	rabbitnightmare	may I please get some help I am running from irssi
2021-08-30 22:47:28	rabbitnightmare	and googling from my tiny ass phone
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2021-08-30 22:48:20	rabbitnightmare	for some reason it is failing to register with UEFI the boot.cfg file
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2021-08-30 22:49:07	rabbitnightmare	trying grub does the same thing but it added "ubuntu" to the boot list and it only gives me a grub shell
2021-08-30 22:49:14	CandyAngel	Have you checked the UEFI registration has been done after archinstall has finished?
2021-08-30 22:49:15	rabbitnightmare	I tried btrfs and ext4
2021-08-30 22:49:24	rabbitnightmare	CandyAngel: how do I do that
2021-08-30 22:49:48	rabbitnightmare	in the past archinstall configured it and it would simply boot properly
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2021-08-30 22:49:57	NetSysFire	!archinstall
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2021-08-30 22:49:57	phrik	See Torxed or #archinstall
2021-08-30 22:50:16	rabbitnightmare	so its another channel?
2021-08-30 22:50:21	CandyAngel	I'm not sure off the top of my head as I use syslinux and installing by hand..
2021-08-30 22:50:29	CandyAngel	But I can help you look!
2021-08-30 22:50:46	yans	I boot Windows 10 under UEFI, and Arch over BIOS ;p
2021-08-30 22:51:04	teraflops	rabbitnightmare: tried installing the system the old way?
2021-08-30 22:51:07	ℹ 	Lord_of_Life_ es conocido ahora como Lord_of_Life
2021-08-30 22:51:07	rabbitnightmare	yans: I dont use windows and have NEVER had an issue with Arch, just this remote machine
2021-08-30 22:51:19	rabbitnightmare	teraflops: I am about to
2021-08-30 22:51:22	teraflops	remote?
2021-08-30 22:51:25	Edu4rdSHL	s/"The old way"/"The real way"
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2021-08-30 22:51:31	teraflops	yeah
2021-08-30 22:51:31	CandyAngel	:P
2021-08-30 22:51:42	rabbitnightmare	teraflops: its a power station solar farm
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2021-08-30 22:52:16	rabbitnightmare	I use Arch to run everything on my other locations
2021-08-30 22:52:45	yans	I run Windows only to play steam, Warhammer 2 Vermintide
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2021-08-30 22:52:45	teraflops	well id give a try to the traditional installation method
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2021-08-30 22:52:59	rabbitnightmare	thanks will do and I will come back
2021-08-30 22:53:07	yans	I setup it on some old 1.8 128GB SSD Drive from old netboot :p
2021-08-30 22:53:07	rabbitnightmare	it seems archinstall skips something imperitive
2021-08-30 22:53:07	Donatzsky	rabbitnightmare: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot
2021-08-30 22:53:08	phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-30 22:53:18	rabbitnightmare	I assume that my motherboard was a newegg return
2021-08-30 22:53:25	Nact	 /usr/lib/appstreamcli-compose exists in both 'appstream' and 'appstream-qt'
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2021-08-30 22:53:31	CandyAngel	"Cannot launch binaries from partitions other than the ESP or the Extended Boot Loader Partition", perhaps that is relevant too?
2021-08-30 22:53:41	yans	rabbitnightmare: and set NTFS partition for steam only to play sometimes some games :p
2021-08-30 22:53:52	rabbitnightmare	no NTFS is present
2021-08-30 22:54:01	rabbitnightmare	brand new nvme ssd
2021-08-30 22:54:07	rabbitnightmare	just cracked the box
2021-08-30 22:54:14	yans	But mainly Arch Only 
2021-08-30 22:54:18	rabbitnightmare	yes
2021-08-30 22:54:24	rabbitnightmare	I dont do windows
2021-08-30 22:54:39	yans	with XFCE :]
2021-08-30 22:54:43	rabbitnightmare	I wouldnt even know how to install windows
2021-08-30 22:54:52	rabbitnightmare	naw this is strictly going to be a terminal machine
2021-08-30 22:54:59	teraflops	its pretty satrightforward
2021-08-30 22:55:00	yans	rabbitnightmare: point and click
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2021-08-30 22:55:14	rabbitnightmare	yans: that requires a mouse
2021-08-30 22:55:16	yans	plug and play
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2021-08-30 22:55:39	rabbitnightmare	at my power stations, I dont use mice, I run Linux and terminal tools
2021-08-30 22:55:43	CandyAngel	rabbitnightmare: You are trying to do a manual installation now?
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2021-08-30 22:55:46	rabbitnightmare	yes
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2021-08-30 22:56:38	rabbitnightmare	yans: I dont even think my software would run on Windows as I never programmed it to work on Windows friend
2021-08-30 22:56:48	rabbitnightmare	I have no plans on ever supporting windows
2021-08-30 22:57:04	CandyAngel	Okie. Hopefully that will give you an error if it has failed to install to the boot manager then
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2021-08-30 22:57:10	Namarrgon	Nact: ping arojas and if he doesn't reply file a bugreport
2021-08-30 22:57:10	Donatzsky	rabbitnightmare: Don't know if the Wiki has been updated, but make sure to use /boot and not /efi
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2021-08-30 22:57:24	rabbitnightmare	its really strange that I cant remove windows boot manager from the uefi shell
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2021-08-30 22:57:36	Nact	arojas /usr/lib/appstreamcli-compose exists in both 'appstream' and 'appstream-qt'
2021-08-30 22:57:44	CandyAngel	Is that a secureboot thing?
2021-08-30 22:57:56	rabbitnightmare	secure boot is disabled
2021-08-30 22:58:02	rabbitnightmare	its an MSI motherboard
2021-08-30 22:58:04	⚡ 	CandyAngel nods
2021-08-30 22:58:07	rabbitnightmare	from newegg
2021-08-30 22:58:22	Donatzsky	If you have Windows on the machine, you need the boot manager. Sytemd or grub or whatever will then chain load it
2021-08-30 22:58:44	◣	ice9 (~ice9@user/ice9) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2021-08-30 22:58:50	rabbitnightmare	from what I can summate, the previous owner installed windows, returned the motherboard, and now I am stuck with it, once I get to a working system I might download and reflash the bios
2021-08-30 22:58:57	Nact	updated just 30 minutes ago, I suppose it's just a small error
2021-08-30 22:59:05	rabbitnightmare	Donatzsky: I do not have Windows
2021-08-30 22:59:12	rabbitnightmare	the last version of Windows I owned was Windows 98se
2021-08-30 22:59:18	rabbitnightmare	and nt4
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2021-08-30 23:00:04	rabbitnightmare	why cant I delete the boot list and start fresh?
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2021-08-30 23:00:28	rabbitnightmare	last msi motherboard I buy
2021-08-30 23:00:42	NetSysFire	i bricked my msi mobo with secureboot once
2021-08-30 23:01:04	rabbitnightmare	where the hell is windows boot manager even installed? because it JUST bsoded
2021-08-30 23:01:07	rabbitnightmare	AGAIN lol
2021-08-30 23:01:21	rabbitnightmare	it will not load arch AT ALL
2021-08-30 23:01:37	rabbitnightmare	I have never seen an issue like this
2021-08-30 23:02:01	CandyAngel	I think reflashing the firmware erases all the EFI stuff
2021-08-30 23:02:16	rabbitnightmare	where a BIOS was straight locked into using Windows especially one that comes from a manufacturer like this
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2021-08-30 23:02:37	rabbitnightmare	CandyAngel: its kinda messed up that you can no longer load factory settings
2021-08-30 23:03:01	rabbitnightmare	idk how I would even get Windows booted on my machine as I dont own windows
2021-08-30 23:03:03	rabbitnightmare	lol
2021-08-30 23:03:24	rabbitnightmare	I will have to use my aging core i5 2500k for now and take the system home with me
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2021-08-30 23:03:31	bin	is this true... if the openvpn server is set to route all traffic, then the client is REQUIRED to route all traffic? if i have my client set for local traffic only then the local domains that resolved prior to the server changing are not found
2021-08-30 23:03:37	bin	using networkmanager-openvpn client
2021-08-30 23:03:42	bin	i dont have control over the server
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2021-08-30 23:04:50	Donatzsky	rabbitnightmare: Try https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#efibootmgr
2021-08-30 23:04:52	phrik	Title: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-30 23:04:54	rabbitnightmare	idk why I can boot from USB to Arch but not the internal NVME
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2021-08-31 16:55:11	DigitalKiwi	apparently there are multiple bridges
2021-08-31 16:55:42	DigitalKiwi	* legacyPackages.x86_64-linux.electron-mail (4.12.2)
2021-08-31 16:55:43	DigitalKiwi	  ElectronMail is an Electron-based unofficial desktop client for ProtonMail
2021-08-31 16:55:45	DigitalKiwi	* legacyPackages.x86_64-linux.hydroxide (0.2.20)
2021-08-31 16:55:47	DigitalKiwi	  A third-party, open-source ProtonMail bridge
2021-08-31 16:55:49	DigitalKiwi	* legacyPackages.x86_64-linux.protonmail-bridge (1.8.7)
2021-08-31 16:55:51	DigitalKiwi	  Use your ProtonMail account with your local e-mail client
2021-08-31 17:00:01	LordChaos	DigitalKiwi: I'm trying to figure out how much storage space you get with their 'professional' tier
2021-08-31 17:02:38	th0rne	Is there a way to use 'pass' in a script?
2021-08-31 17:03:52	th0rne	Using the cli/tui prompt?
2021-08-31 17:04:18	AmR	How I can auto load udo modprobe -a vmw_vmci vmmon ? And How Auto load vmware services ?
2021-08-31 17:05:39	AmR	I asking about  VMware Workstation with k mod and systemd ?
2021-08-31 17:09:34	DigitalKiwi	idk about pass but i do it with rbw
2021-08-31 17:09:47	th0rne	No, it does in fact seem to work if called directly.
2021-08-31 17:20:26	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-31 17:28:13	ℹ 	Severus1 es conocido ahora como Severus
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2021-08-31 17:33:08	Namarrgon	Rikle_S: you don't have a separate /boot fs
2021-08-31 17:33:34	Namarrgon	AmR: "man modules-load.d"
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2021-08-31 17:33:50	Namarrgon	!give AmR aw systemd
2021-08-31 17:33:52	phrik	AmR: Systemd - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd
2021-08-31 17:35:02	ℹ 	nomasteryoda es conocido ahora como nmy
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2021-08-31 17:39:01	AmR	I need VMware services name list ?
2021-08-31 17:39:16	ℹ 	nmy es conocido ahora como nomasteryoda
2021-08-31 17:39:19	ℹ 	nomasteryoda es conocido ahora como nmy
2021-08-31 17:43:03	Namarrgon	systemct list-unit-files --all
2021-08-31 17:43:20	Namarrgon	which guide are you following?
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2021-08-31 17:45:02	AmR	https://computingforgeeks.com/install-vmware-workstation-on-arch-linux-manjaro/
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2021-08-31 17:46:48	ℹ 	nomasteryoda es conocido ahora como nmy
2021-08-31 17:47:07	Namarrgon	i wouldn't recommend following old third-party guides
2021-08-31 17:47:31	Namarrgon	which part are you having trouble with?
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2021-08-31 17:49:51	AmR	Namarrgon: sudo systemctl enable vmware-networks.service  vmware-usbarbitrator.service vmware-hostd.service
2021-08-31 17:50:29	Namarrgon	what's the problem?
2021-08-31 17:52:35	AmR	Failed to enable unit: Unit file vmware-networks.service does not exist.
2021-08-31 17:52:35	Namarrgon	then your guide is out of date
2021-08-31 17:52:35	Namarrgon	is there a reason you need vmware? even virtualbox is less painful on linux?
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2021-08-31 17:52:35	AmR	For working with MSVS
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2021-08-31 17:53:06	Namarrgon	that doesn't work on vbox or qemu?
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2021-08-31 17:55:45	AmR	It's work but very slow
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2021-08-31 19:17:08	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-08-31 19:17:08	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1334 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1334 normals)
2021-08-31 18:42:55	tizef	hi guys, here : https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PCManFM#%22Not_authorized%22_error_when_attempting_to_mount_drive I did "mkdir storage", added the rule, "usermod -aG storage username" but still not working... an idea?
2021-08-31 18:42:57	phrik	Title: PCManFM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-08-31 18:43:55	thurstylark	tizef: did you log out and back in after changing group membership?
2021-08-31 18:44:16	tizef	thurstylark, i did a reboot
2021-08-31 18:44:46	thurstylark	tizef: what's the output of `id` ?
2021-08-31 18:45:36	tizef	thurstylark, 1001(storage)
2021-08-31 18:46:44	thurstylark	did you make that group yourself?
2021-08-31 18:46:49	tizef	yes
2021-08-31 18:47:07	tizef	using sudo
2021-08-31 18:48:22	cyphertite	tizef:  a normal root `id` should look something like:  uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
2021-08-31 18:48:37	thurstylark	interesting, I have the storage group at gid 988, which implies a package added it for me... usually gid <1000 are system groups..
2021-08-31 18:48:51	thurstylark	tizef: do you have gvfs installed?
2021-08-31 18:50:46	tizef	 cyphertite, you are right, i did "id" as user... as root it come "uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)"
2021-08-31 18:51:45	tizef	thurstylark, yes, gvfs is here
2021-08-31 18:52:06	tizef	I use only xorg and openbox
2021-08-31 18:52:32	cyphertite	tizef:  right!  You may want to consider to stop using sudo for commands that root is required for...like mounting things ;p
2021-08-31 18:53:03	tizef	my root passwd is so long
2021-08-31 18:53:04	thurstylark	hmm... wish there was an easy way to see what package a group or user came from :/
2021-08-31 18:53:24	thurstylark	cyphertite: they're trying to mount via a file manager... unless their file manager is running as root, this point is moot
2021-08-31 18:54:21	thurstylark	also, using sudo instead of the root account is actually the recommended practice, so idk what you're on about..
2021-08-31 18:56:31	thurstylark	tizef: are you using pcmanfm as your desktop?
2021-08-31 18:56:53	thurstylark	or otherwise started automatically when you log in?
2021-08-31 18:57:02	tizef	no, as a file manager
2021-08-31 18:57:30	tizef	no, i do not start it automatically
2021-08-31 18:57:38	cyphertite	thurstylark:  I jettisoned most uses of sudo from my life ~15 years ago when I refused to continue running Deb, or any of the *buntus
2021-08-31 18:58:13	thurstylark	cyphertite: that's nice. you'll have to get the rest of the industry to follow you, in that case.
2021-08-31 18:58:32	thurstylark	tizef: tried running from a terminal and attempting the mount?
2021-08-31 18:58:37	thurstylark	might be enlightening
2021-08-31 18:58:51	tizef	yes I do it
2021-08-31 18:58:58	cyphertite	this is not a campaign, just a practical, and very efficient, reality
2021-08-31 18:59:05	tizef	mount /dev/sdx /mnt
2021-08-31 19:01:49	thurstylark	tizef: the polkit rule on the pcmanfm page only affects udisks2 usage. You'll have to use that to mount if you want that polkit rule to work for you.
2021-08-31 19:01:53	R4smussen	hello
2021-08-31 19:01:58	thurstylark	!welcome
2021-08-31 19:01:59	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2021-08-31 19:02:03	R4smussen	hahaha
2021-08-31 19:03:38	R4smussen	hows it going :p
2021-08-31 19:04:40	NetSysFire	thats usually what we ask the users
2021-08-31 19:04:51	NetSysFire	so why are you here? what broke?
2021-08-31 19:05:04	R4smussen	nothing D:
2021-08-31 19:05:28	R4smussen	i can break something if that would make you feel better?
2021-08-31 19:05:33	thurstylark	only a matter of time, then
2021-08-31 19:05:36	⚡ 	thurstylark strokes cat
2021-08-31 19:05:37	R4smussen	brb rm rfing 
2021-08-31 19:05:48	thurstylark	where were you when my stream was dead lol
2021-08-31 19:06:31	R4smussen	i dont see why anyone would need to ask irc for help when archwiki exists :P
2021-08-31 19:06:38	R4smussen	archwiki is bae
2021-08-31 19:07:31	tizef	lol
2021-08-31 19:08:17	thurstylark	that's the spirit :D
2021-08-31 19:08:39	⚡ 	thurstylark is just an overengineered wiki parsing script
2021-08-31 19:08:53	R4smussen	dont get me wrong im a fucking idiot (i just found out that linux-lts-headers is different to linux-headers LOL) but atleast i can read :P
2021-08-31 19:09:46	tizef	thanks cyphertite thurstylark, i will look about udisk2, good night(gtm+5)
2021-08-31 19:09:58	thurstylark	!ugn
2021-08-31 19:09:59	phrik	Good (ugt) night to all from thurstylark!
2021-08-31 19:10:16	thurstylark	well, let's not get crazy, phrik...
2021-08-31 19:10:25	thurstylark	I'm sure not *everyone* deserves a ugn...
2021-08-31 19:10:44	NetSysFire	ugt night means you need to /quit now :p
2021-08-31 19:10:58	⚡ 	thurstylark is sleepless
2021-08-31 19:11:12	thurstylark	benefits of being a script :D
2021-08-31 19:11:40	⚡ 	NetSysFire invokes kill -STOP on thurstylark
2021-08-31 19:15:56	R4smussen	so what are you guys up to? 
2021-08-31 19:16:13	NetSysFire	trying to help arch users
2021-08-31 19:16:19	NetSysFire	!offtopic2
2021-08-31 19:16:21	phrik	Feel free to join us in #archlinux-offtopic <3!
2021-08-31 19:16:27	NetSysFire	if you just want to chat with people
2021-08-31 19:16:40	R4smussen	gotcha my bad :P
2021-08-31 19:17:08	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-08-31 19:28:37	Foucault	hi! I transplanted my installation into a new disk but I haven't yet transferred the ESP (efistub kernel and refind still live on the old disk)
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2021-08-31 19:29:11	Foucault	currently there are two ESPs as the systemd stands but one of them (the one in the new disk) is empty
2021-08-31 19:29:33	Foucault	I want to transition my ESP to the new disk but I'm not sure of the process. Should I just copy files over and install refind again?
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2021-08-31 19:33:44	ugubok	Problems with USB: I have a laptop that is up for days, and sometimes moving between office and home. Problem: USB devices, once unplugged (mouse, HDD), isn't recignized after some time, but recognized when I plug it in other port
2021-08-31 19:33:56	thurstylark	Foucault: for efi, you can get away with just moving files and then setting up the efivars. 
2021-08-31 19:34:13	Foucault	just change the entries with efibootmgr?
2021-08-31 19:34:17	thurstylark	yup
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2021-08-31 19:36:12	thurstylark	ugubok: check the journal. The kernel is capable of ignoring a specific device if it's misbehaving, which should produce some log lines if that's the case
2021-08-31 19:37:42	ugubok	thurstylark, There is silence in dmesg when I plug in the device in the "old" port
2021-08-31 19:38:08	thurstylark	the log messages of interest probably won't come from the plug event
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2021-08-31 19:38:46	thurstylark	ugubok: can you paste your full journal to a paste service?
2021-08-31 19:39:07	ugubok	!paste
2021-08-31 19:39:08	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2021-08-31 19:40:21	ugubok	thurstylark, https://dpaste.com//BPX3RPTBZ
2021-08-31 19:40:27	phrik	Title: dpaste: BPX3RPTBZ (at dpaste.com)
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2021-08-31 19:42:05	MrElendig	bonus point: install the bootloader to the default load path
2021-08-31 19:42:16	MrElendig	that way it usually works even without an nvram entry
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2021-08-31 19:43:51	thurstylark	Hmm... https://dpaste.com//BPX3RPTBZ#line-875
2021-08-31 19:43:56	phrik	Title: dpaste: BPX3RPTBZ (at dpaste.com)
2021-08-31 19:44:10	Foucault	thurstylark that worked, thanks for the tip
2021-08-31 19:44:14	thurstylark	wait, device number 2?
2021-08-31 19:44:22	thurstylark	those are sequential from boot, right?
2021-08-31 19:44:25	thurstylark	that's probably a hub
2021-08-31 19:44:31	kevku	yeah on my hp probook the uefi just ignores the nvram entries
2021-08-31 19:44:44	ugubok	Yes, I have type-C hub, and 2 ports on laptop
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2021-08-31 19:45:34	ugubok	Problem is same on the hub and on the laptop ports
2021-08-31 19:45:42	thurstylark	it's one of the mobo's host controllers: https://dpaste.com//BPX3RPTBZ#line-374
2021-08-31 19:45:48	phrik	Title: dpaste: BPX3RPTBZ (at dpaste.com)
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2021-08-31 19:47:13	thurstylark	it also drops device numbers 6 and 8, which I bet were on the host controller that dropped...
2021-08-31 19:48:01	ugubok	E.g. I leave devices attached to hub, then when hub is attached device isn't recognized
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2021-08-31 19:48:30	thurstylark	so the problem doesn't happen when the hub isn't involved?
2021-08-31 19:48:38	ugubok	Or, without hub, I can detach mouse, and then, after some time (after sleep, I suggest), it isn't recognized
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2021-08-31 19:49:12	ugubok	Yeah, laptop is often goes to sleep 
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2021-08-31 19:49:49	thurstylark	wait...
2021-08-31 19:50:11	thurstylark	so does the problem occur if you don't use the hub?
2021-08-31 19:50:14	ugubok	btw other devices recognized in that port
2021-08-31 19:50:55	ugubok	Yes, I bought the hub about a week ago. Problem stills for 6 months or so
2021-08-31 19:51:18	thurstylark	makes me think the hub is your problem, then
2021-08-31 19:52:13	thurstylark	does it happen with just this mouse, or anything that's connected to the hub?
2021-08-31 19:52:19	ugubok	Anything
2021-08-31 19:52:33	Betal	what if you restart without the hub, do it happens too?
2021-08-31 19:52:37	thurstylark	^
2021-08-31 19:52:46	ugubok	Restart is only way I can make it to work
2021-08-31 19:52:53	ugubok	But maybe I can reset USB ports somehow
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2021-08-31 19:53:21	ugubok	We can forget about the hub, it isn't involved here
2021-08-31 19:53:39	thurstylark	what do you mean? 
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2021-08-31 19:53:53	thurstylark	I asked you twice if removing the hub fixes the issue, and you said yes
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2021-08-31 19:54:03	thurstylark	that sounds like the hub is involved to me...
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2021-08-31 19:54:20	ugubok	I mean, without the hub problem occur too
2021-08-31 19:54:26	thurstylark	ahh
2021-08-31 19:54:33	thurstylark	that's what I was trying to figure out
2021-08-31 19:54:43	ugubok	Hub is only 1 week old, and the problem is very older
2021-08-31 19:55:22	thurstylark	so, does that happen with just a specific device, or any device?
2021-08-31 19:55:27	Betal	did you have seen it work anywhere? (Windows, old kernel, another distro)
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2021-08-31 19:56:32	ugubok	1. Only devices I have is: keyboard, mouse, HDD. All of these devices isn't recognized. 2. I doesn't have any other OS
2021-08-31 19:57:12	Betal	I guess it worked 7 months ago in arch ?
2021-08-31 19:57:13	ugubok	Rectification: If I plug in the other device in that "broken" hub, it is recognized
2021-08-31 19:57:26	ugubok	err, "broken" __port__
2021-08-31 19:57:44	thurstylark	hmmmm... makes me think something is wonky with the mobo hardware causing it to emergency disable that port...
2021-08-31 19:57:49	ugubok	AND if I plug in that "broken" __device__ in another port, it is recognized
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2021-08-31 19:59:11	thurstylark	the problem follows the port, the kernel doesn't seem to be reacting to any error... 
2021-08-31 19:59:38	thurstylark	really makes me think it's something on the mobo :/
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2021-08-31 19:59:52	ugubok	What is mobo?
2021-08-31 20:00:02	thurstylark	motherboard
2021-08-31 20:00:49	Betal	before you unplug the usb/hdd, do it still show in lslbk and lsusb? how are you ejecting it?
2021-08-31 20:00:55	ugubok	Yeah, motherboard on that chinese laptop may be stupid
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2021-08-31 20:01:24	thurstylark	Betal: there are usb device disconnects that show up after resuming: https://dpaste.com//BPX3RPTBZ#line-881
2021-08-31 20:01:29	phrik	Title: dpaste: BPX3RPTBZ (at dpaste.com)
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2021-08-31 20:01:33	thurstylark	so probably no
2021-08-31 20:01:45	ugubok	Betal, before I unplug it, it works. I just unplug that HDD without unmounting
2021-08-31 20:02:14	ugubok	Also, if I plug it again in short time, it works. Seems "sleep state" somehow affecting that
2021-08-31 20:02:57	ugubok	And maybe experimental ntfs3 driver is involved
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2021-08-31 20:09:01	murr4y	How do I get hold of GSS-API headers on arch? https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/libgss-dev/filelist I can't seem to find any good package when searching with pkgfile
2021-08-31 20:09:02	phrik	Title: Debian -- File list of package libgss-dev/sid/amd64 (at packages.debian.org)
2021-08-31 20:09:29	Betal	ugubok: do it happens if you try with your mouse? (the disconnect and connect in same port)
2021-08-31 20:10:28	ugubok	Betal, mouse, HDD, keyboard - all affected. But keyboard is wireless and I never unplug it, so keyboard always works
2021-08-31 20:10:42	ugubok	Keyboard have small USB ... thing
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2021-08-31 20:11:04	Betal	ugubok: then it should not be ntfs3 related, given mouse don't use it
2021-08-31 20:11:35	thurstylark	ugubok: you're running a usb hard drive? is that a spinning drive, and if so, does it have an external power supply?
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2021-08-31 20:12:08	ugubok	thurstylark, it's spinning drive without external power
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2021-08-31 20:13:07	thurstylark	murr4y: I think you're looking for libgssglue, but I'm not exactly familiar with gss, so might as well check its file list beforehand: https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/libgssglue/
2021-08-31 20:13:09	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - libgssglue 0.4-4 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
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2021-08-31 20:14:58	murr4y	Thanks, but no that doesn't have gss.h, and ld says with libgssglue installed: `/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgss`
2021-08-31 20:15:05	thurstylark	murr4y: actually, nvm, it looks like it's included in the krb5 package :P
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2021-08-31 20:17:50	Betal	isn't gss.h in linux-headers ?
2021-08-31 20:18:45	thurstylark	god dammit, I forgot that pacman -F can search without the full path 
2021-08-31 20:18:49	thurstylark	yeah, that'll do :P
2021-08-31 20:21:55	murr4y	Yeah, but it's only in old versions or lts :/
2021-08-31 20:22:17	thurstylark	what are you trying to build?
2021-08-31 20:22:38	Betal	old version?
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2021-08-31 20:23:05	murr4y	thurstylark: p2pool: https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool#ubuntu-2004
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2021-08-31 20:23:54	murr4y	Betal: for example, it's found in linux 5.6.3: core/linux-headers 5.6.3.arch1-1 [installed: 5.13.13.arch1-1]
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2021-08-31 20:24:32	thurstylark	murr4y: do `sudo pacman -Fy` and try again
2021-08-31 20:27:09	Betal	thurstylark: then pacman -F don't find it anymore, lol, only in -lts
2021-08-31 20:27:32	thurstylark	well, then
2021-08-31 20:28:38	thurstylark	makes me think either switch to lts, or abandon the software that's depending on (seemingly) obsolete libs
2021-08-31 20:28:49	Betal	locate find this "/usr/lib/modules/5.13.13-arch1-1/build/include/linux/sunrpc/auth_gss.h"
2021-08-31 20:28:53	Betal	wonder if they renamed it
2021-08-31 20:29:24	Betal	in -lts it is "usr/lib/modules/5.10.61-1-lts/build/include/config/sunrpc/gss.h"
2021-08-31 20:29:55	murr4y	Maybe a quick edit in the build script would make it recognize the new name
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2021-08-31 20:32:12	murr4y	Nah :p `/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lauth_gss`
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2021-08-31 20:36:16	lsrtl_	what package provide GStreamer GTK Sink  https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/gtk/gtksink.html?gi-language=c ?
2021-08-31 20:36:17	phrik	Title: gtksink (at gstreamer.freedesktop.org)
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2021-08-31 20:45:57	thurstylark	?pkgfile libgstgtk.so
2021-08-31 20:45:58	EMIYA	thurstylark: extra/gst-plugin-gtk 1.18.4-2 (/usr/lib/gstreamer-1.0/libgstgtk.so), multilib/lib32-gst-plugins-good
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2021-08-31 20:48:11	thurstylark	lsrtl_: ^
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2021-08-31 21:19:26	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
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2021-08-31 21:21:08	n00b101	There's no Android channel in Libera. They haven't shifted from freenode. Didn't it?
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2021-08-31 21:22:35	mpan	n00b101: have you actually asked alis about it?
2021-08-31 21:22:45	mpan	Or even tried joining the most obvious channel?
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2021-08-31 21:24:23	mpan	Anyway, this is offtopic on #archlinux.
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2021-08-31 21:25:39	vindicator	Does anything else special have to go with "rd.break"? I set the selected boot entry, appending "rd.break=pre-udev", yet it still boots all the way through systemd to the command prompt. This is me just playing with archiso.
2021-08-31 21:28:05	Namarrgon	the archiso's initramfs doesn't use systemd, does it?
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2021-08-31 21:31:00	vindicator	I'm not sure how that all works. I saw the first entry in the man for dracut.bootup is systemd-journal.socket "..., if systemd is used in the dracut initramfs"
2021-08-31 21:31:18	Namarrgon	the archiso doesn't use dracut
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2021-08-31 21:31:36	Namarrgon	it's using mkinitcpio, with a busybox based initramfs
2021-08-31 21:31:59	Namarrgon	if you want to "break" into the initramfs then you can boot with the "break" kernel parameter
2021-08-31 21:31:59	vindicator	I'm using dracut to build the initramfs for archiso
2021-08-31 21:32:10	Namarrgon	then that is what you should have started out with
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2021-08-31 21:33:27	vindicator	ah, yeah. I'm customizing my kernel
2021-08-31 21:33:36	vindicator	 (not using the linux package)
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2021-09-01 17:11:23	Foucault	analoq check where your game saves the files, then compare the two locations between the two prefixes
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2021-09-01 17:13:36	teraflops	sudo port upgrade outdated
2021-09-01 17:13:41	teraflops	:S
2021-09-01 17:14:05	teraflops	sorry wrong buffer
2021-09-01 17:14:10	thurstylark	teraflops: error: wat. cannot parse :P
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2021-09-01 17:22:51	grazzolini	teraflops: freebsd ?
2021-09-01 17:23:11	teraflops	yep
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2021-09-01 17:45:09	alkino	the reason is well known, the spec is a nightmare ;)
2021-09-01 17:45:28	analoq	and bluez is a joke. go into their channel and try to ask something. theres no documentation no nothing :D
2021-09-01 17:47:06	baltazar	alkino: works without issues for me, although I'm using pipewire
2021-09-01 17:48:09	th0rne	Always worked fine for me on pulse.
2021-09-01 17:48:33	th0rne	'bluetoothctl connect <mac>'
2021-09-01 17:48:40	th0rne	That's literally it.
2021-09-01 17:48:40	alkino	it does not appear in pamixer --list-sinks
2021-09-01 17:49:08	baltazar	alkino: you have pulseaudio-bluetooth installed right?
2021-09-01 17:49:08	alkino	ok
2021-09-01 17:49:09	alkino	connect
2021-09-01 17:49:13	alkino	I was only pairing ^^
2021-09-01 17:49:22	alkino	works like a charm
2021-09-01 17:49:23	th0rne	bluetoothctl -h
2021-09-01 17:49:25	alkino	"next"
2021-09-01 17:49:28	th0rne	+
2021-09-01 17:49:37	thrice	!next
2021-09-01 17:49:37	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2021-09-01 18:14:10	stefanc_diff	Hi all! Anyone familiar with the repo for building libvirt VMs for arch https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/arch-boxes knows why I get this error when running ./build-host.sh on my laptop - error: ==> ERROR: specified kernel image does not exist: `/boot/vmlinuz-linux' ?
2021-09-01 18:14:13	phrik	Title: Arch Linux / arch-boxes · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2021-09-01 18:14:45	Foxboron	stefanc_diff: are you running Arch?
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2021-09-01 18:15:44	stefanc_diff	yes Foxboron I'm running archlinux on my host 
2021-09-01 18:16:01	Foxboron	hm, cc wCPO 
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2021-09-01 18:16:58	stefanc_diff	on my Arch host: ls -lha /boot/vmlinuz-linux 
2021-09-01 18:16:58	stefanc_diff	-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9.0M Apr  5 22:03 /boot/vmlinuz-linux
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2021-09-01 18:22:06	nickel8448	Hello mighty archlinux, I want to create a service which starts as soon as a disk is attached to the machine. Can anyone please guide me how to create such a service? (I am using systemd)
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2021-09-01 18:23:43	Hello71	SYSTEMD_WANTS
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2021-09-01 18:25:52	stefanc_diff	nickel8448: see if this helps: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.mount.html- 
2021-09-01 18:25:52	stefanc_diff	  - https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html#
2021-09-01 18:25:54	phrik	Title: systemd.unit (at www.freedesktop.org)
2021-09-01 18:26:32	baltazar	nickel8448: for a more detailed description of what Hello71 said, see systemd.device(5)
2021-09-01 18:26:49	nickel8448	Thanks, folks! Doing some reading now :)
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2021-09-01 18:27:13	Hello71	systemd.mount isn't particularly useful unless you already have an automount
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2021-09-01 18:28:35	stefanc_diff	got it Hello71
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2021-09-01 18:29:51	wCPO	stefanc_diff, Foxboron: Known issue affecting both arch-boxes and archiso right now, it started a few days ago. You can join us in #archlinux-releng, but none of us have got time yet to debug it
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2021-09-01 18:41:35	analoq	Foucault: i found it. theres a ~/My Games/ folder with the save game files in it. but how
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2021-09-01 20:16:36	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
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2021-09-01 18:59:11	rassawyer	and a bunch of other things, no spaces, addt'l spaces, etc
2021-09-01 19:03:06	aphirst	urgh
2021-09-01 19:03:26	aphirst	i have experienced once again that the archlinux ISO .torrent file effectively crashes transmission-daemon
2021-09-01 19:03:53	aphirst	adding the magnet alone works fine but there is something about the .torrent that makes me have to remove it and my resume folder
2021-09-01 19:05:19	aphirst	i would very much appreciate if someone would look into this - i reported the exact same issue a month or two ago
2021-09-01 19:05:29	aphirst	what tool is being used to generate the .torrent file?
2021-09-01 19:07:34	Mysterytrain	what happens if you throw the .torrent file into transmissin's watch dir
2021-09-01 19:08:35	aphirst	same thing, as soon as transmission tries to do anything with it, the daemon essentially hangs
2021-09-01 19:08:43	Mysterytrain	let me try
2021-09-01 19:08:46	aphirst	it's "running" but uncontactable and generates no traffic
2021-09-01 19:09:16	aphirst	only by removing the .torrent and its associated resume data (if it generates any) from the /var/lib./transmission area will my transmission instance resume on a service restart
2021-09-01 19:10:07	Mysterytrain	I run my transmission per user. so ~/.config/transmission-daemon. lets see what happens. I got the torrent now
2021-09-01 19:10:14	aphirst	could it be a simple matter of "oh my god that is one hell of a lot of trackers / DDL mirrors embedded???!
2021-09-01 19:10:31	aphirst	i cat'ed the torrent and it's like 9 million FTP mirrors
2021-09-01 19:10:56	aphirst	is that *really* appropriate
2021-09-01 19:11:24	Mysterytrain	mine doesn't hang. it's at 50% now
2021-09-01 19:12:07	aphirst	hmm
2021-09-01 19:12:17	aphirst	my transmission-daemon instance is not particularly exotic
2021-09-01 19:12:29	aphirst	i enabled remote access and that's it
2021-09-01 19:12:34	aphirst	could it be specific to the daemon?
2021-09-01 19:12:54	aphirst	metadata killing the transmission-daemon web service?
2021-09-01 19:14:50	Mysterytrain	run transmission-daemon tand alone with the -f option
2021-09-01 19:15:04	Mysterytrain	watch what happens directly
2021-09-01 19:18:11	Mysterytrain	cuz yep, my .iso finished fine
2021-09-01 19:18:35	Mysterytrain	i use rpc to watch it instead of the web gui
2021-09-01 19:31:32	ugubok	 systemctl reboot            
2021-09-01 19:31:32	ugubok	Operation inhibited by "Disk Manager" (PID 1300 "udisksd", user root), reason is "Cleaning Up".
2021-09-01 19:31:32	ugubok	Please retry operation after closing inhibitors and logging out other users.
2021-09-01 19:31:34	ugubok	Alternatively, ignore inhibitors and users with 'systemctl reboot -i'.
2021-09-01 19:31:36	ugubok	wtf man?
2021-09-01 19:32:05	ugubok	Can ntfs3 driver be involved here?
2021-09-01 19:33:09	ugubok	3 months since I can't normally reboot my system
2021-09-01 19:33:47	ugubok	And it seems problem appears after some update, but not after ntfs3 installation
2021-09-01 19:34:04	rassawyer	udisks related, not ntfs3, afaik
2021-09-01 19:35:54	rassawyer	maybe irrelevant, but why systemctl reboot, and not just reboot?
2021-09-01 19:37:08	ugubok	If I reboot from gui it just doesn't work
2021-09-01 19:37:21	ugubok	And "reboot" is just an alias for systemctl reboot (not shell alias, but same thing)
2021-09-01 19:37:52	ugubok	I can force reboot, but then I should wait about 1.5min while systemd kills that inhibitor
2021-09-01 19:38:38	aphirst	Mysterytrain, i use rpc too, and a client
2021-09-01 19:38:44	aphirst	i wonder why you can't reproduce it...
2021-09-01 19:38:54	aphirst	i'll try on a separate instance of transmission later
2021-09-01 19:39:26	Mysterytrain	I hve; transmission-daemon 3.00 (bb6b5a062e)
2021-09-01 19:39:58	rassawyer	what does "ps aux | grep 1300" give?
2021-09-01 19:42:44	rassawyer	or ps -p 1300 -o comm=
2021-09-01 19:52:31	jayray	!paste
2021-09-01 19:52:31	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-09-01 19:57:18	Guest6920	How can I install arecord? 
2021-09-01 19:58:29	novns	Guest6920, alsa-utils
2021-09-01 20:03:10	Guest6920	novns, thanks.
2021-09-01 20:15:03	rassawyer	exit
2021-09-01 20:16:37	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-01 20:19:35	nergar	I'm testing an install script and I am trying to set up a squid cache to save some bandwidth both for me and arch servers but I'm having some 403 issues and I have no idea how to config squid
2021-09-01 20:19:44	nergar	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Package_Proxy_Cache
2021-09-01 20:19:45	phrik	Title: Package Proxy Cache - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-09-01 20:20:56	nergar	I'm getting multiple errors on access.log on squid server that are causing pacman to give up
2021-09-01 20:21:00	nergar	1630519894.409      0 10.0.2.6 TCP_DENIED/403 4054 GET http://mirror.telepoint.bg/archlinux/core/os/x86_64/core.db - HIER_NONE/- text/html
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2021-09-01 20:21:16	nergar	anyone has any ideas?
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2021-09-01 20:22:47	nergar	here's my squid conf https://rentry.co/2s9qx
2021-09-01 20:22:49	phrik	Title: acl localnet src 0.0.0.1-0.255.255.255 # RFC 1122 "this" network (LAN) (at rentry.co)
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2021-09-01 20:38:34	Forty-Bot	has anyone used "in-tree" packagebuilds? e.g. a packagebuild which lives in the same tree as the source of the package itself?
2021-09-01 21:20:14	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2021-09-01 21:20:24	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-09-01 21:20:25	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1337 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1337 normals)
2021-09-01 20:55:16	Hello71	jelle: yes but with rpm afaik it's not a native requirement
2021-09-01 20:55:27	Namarrgon	i'm not sure if a PKGBUILD is much better than git at managing /etc
2021-09-01 20:56:00	Forty-Bot	I mean, I can just `install` things and they will all be managed by pacman
2021-09-01 20:56:04	Hello71	it sounds like you're making nix but worse
2021-09-01 20:56:22	jelle	Hello71: neither with debian :)
2021-09-01 20:56:42	Forty-Bot	Hello71: I'm not interested in using nix
2021-09-01 20:56:53	jelle	Forty-Bot: anyway you can use source=('.') probably in your pkgbuild :-)
2021-09-01 20:57:05	jelle	or as Namarrgon said file:////
2021-09-01 20:57:06	Forty-Bot	that's pretty dirty, but I like it
2021-09-01 20:57:15	Repentinus	You can use an empty source array too.
2021-09-01 20:57:24	jelle	Forty-Bot: how is that dirty?
2021-09-01 20:57:39	Hello71	jelle: but the debian model is "patch debian/ into the source". even if it's theoretically equivalent to other models, the "ecosystem" is centered around this concept
2021-09-01 20:58:22	Forty-Bot	I don't know if it's dirty, but it is certainly more unusual than I've been doing otherwise
2021-09-01 20:59:04	Repentinus	Or rather you can omit source= altogether from your PKGBUILD.
2021-09-01 20:59:20	Repentinus	E.g., https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=nginx-mod-http-xslt-filter
2021-09-01 20:59:21	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-09-01 21:08:53	aphirst	i have given up trying to get grub to work with shim + secure boot
2021-09-01 21:09:00	aphirst	time to try with refind
2021-09-01 21:11:32	mnd999_	I think I ended up using systemd-boot for that, it's a faff to get it to work
2021-09-01 21:12:04	mnd999_	And I still have a manual shell script to update the tpm after kernel update
2021-09-01 21:12:42	grazzolini	Forty-Bot: example of source-less PKGBUILD: https://github.com/archlinux/mkinitcpio/blob/master/PKGBUILD
2021-09-01 21:13:32	amahl	would like to pack files into iso 9960 file. but neither pacman nor yay can find mkisofs program? what else do I use?
2021-09-01 21:13:50	Forty-Bot	grazzolini: thanks
2021-09-01 21:15:40	grazzolini	Forty-Bot: you just might want to add a prepare() for setting pkgver though, because for mkinitcpio that's handled by the Makefile.
2021-09-01 21:16:00	Forty-Bot	yeah, I think the standard git version one will work for me
2021-09-01 21:16:38	jkdhn	amahl: `pacman -Fy` do download the file databases, `pacman -F mkisofs` to find out which package contains mkisofs
2021-09-01 21:17:59	amahl	I see. so cdrtools has it. cool
2021-09-01 21:20:28	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-01 21:24:10	aphirst	mnd999_, if i can't get it to work with refind, i think i will outright give up and just disable secureboot entirely
2021-09-01 21:24:30	Mysterytrain	that's hwat I did
2021-09-01 21:25:08	Mysterytrain	i'm not gonna have some silly motherboard tell me what operating systems are worthy of being installed
2021-09-01 21:26:01	aphirst	lol, idk i don't object to the concept, though i'd prefer at least that the master key not be microsoft, but the mobo manufacturer
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2021-09-01 21:26:17	aphirst	but that's drifting offtopic
2021-09-01 21:26:27	Mysterytrain	yap
2021-09-01 21:26:40	Foxboron	aphirst: check if /sys/kernel/security/tpm0/binary_bios_measurements is on your machine
2021-09-01 21:26:50	Foxboron	if it is, can you give me a copy?
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2021-09-01 21:27:11	aphirst	i'll check it out after windows finishes reinstalling
2021-09-01 21:27:16	Foxboron	:)
2021-09-01 21:27:34	aphirst	i nuked the secure boot key list and ran blkdiscard on the SSD
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2021-09-01 21:28:07	mnd999_	It's kinda useful though if you use luks and store the decryption key in the tpm you can have a fairly secure system at rest. But yes, use your own boot keys
2021-09-01 21:28:19	Foxboron	aphirst: fwiw, if the issue was that grub was telling you the "nobody cares" command it's because (again) grub is complicated
2021-09-01 21:28:32	Foxboron	you need to embed all modules you are going to use into the .efi binary when building it.
2021-09-01 21:28:45	Foxboron	mnd999_: You can't, sometimes. Which is the important note
2021-09-01 21:29:04	ioistired	i installed community/ttf-joypixels but certain emojis render in a monochrome font still, such as 😳, in firefox. i assume this has something to do with font priorities. is there a way i can set my emoji font to be top priority so that emojis always render in color when available?
2021-09-01 21:29:40	Mysterytrain	I don't have ./kernel/tpm anything lol
2021-09-01 21:29:53	aphirst	i didn't even know you could do it through the tpm
2021-09-01 21:30:01	aphirst	i'm declaring that "too complicated"
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2021-09-01 21:30:12	Foxboron	aphirst: Don't, systemd has this solveed.
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2021-09-01 21:30:21	Foxboron	http://0pointer.net/blog/unlocking-luks2-volumes-with-tpm2-fido2-pkcs11-security-hardware-on-systemd-248.html
2021-09-01 21:30:22	phrik	Title: Unlocking LUKS2 volumes with TPM2, FIDO2, PKCS#11 Security Hardware on systemd 248 (at 0pointer.net)
2021-09-01 21:30:34	aphirst	the install guide has already spread the necessary info over like 5 pages for what i'm doing
2021-09-01 21:30:35	Foxboron	parts of this has been upstreamed so you are less reliant on the systemd extensions for the keyslots.
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2021-09-01 21:30:56	Foxboron	aphirst: that's the crux of having a configurable setup
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2021-09-01 21:31:04	aphirst	doing full system encryption means having a tvtropes tab-splay which i kind of hate
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2021-09-01 21:31:13	aphirst	i do miss back when the install guide was monolithic
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2021-09-01 21:31:42	Foxboron	You mean when everyone and their mom wanted their little "tip'n trick" into the beginners guide :p?
2021-09-01 21:31:45	aphirst	cross referencing six browser tabs for each step of the process starts to really hurt my head
2021-09-01 21:32:04	aphirst	especially when some pages *miss out* clarifications that "other install guide steps go here"
2021-09-01 21:32:20	Foxboron	far from perfect indeed
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2021-09-01 21:32:48	aphirst	"removing every little trick" seems to have become "remove as much context as possible"
2021-09-01 21:33:43	aphirst	nightmarish when you're setting something up with more than one moving part
2021-09-01 21:33:51	aphirst	makes my brain hurt
2021-09-01 21:34:08	th0rne	What's the problem?
2021-09-01 21:34:31	aphirst	nothing i'm just rambling while i'm waiting to carry on my attempted arch install on my new machine
2021-09-01 21:35:04	aphirst	"full system encryption" + "secure boot" = very difficult to understand the wiki
2021-09-01 21:35:40	Mysterytrain	which is why I disable it lol
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2021-09-01 21:35:55	Mysterytrain	my walls already have too many head shaped dents
2021-09-01 21:35:56	Foxboron	aphirst: That's because they are complicated.
2021-09-01 21:36:03	Foxboron	I have one talk and one blog post on the subject
2021-09-01 21:36:13	Foxboron	(encryption is argueably easy if you are just dealing with one disk)
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2021-09-01 21:39:01	Foxboron	aphirst: fwiw, https://github.com/Foxboron/sbctl
2021-09-01 21:39:15	Foxboron	but it assumes you are not going to brick your machine because you need microsoft certs
2021-09-01 21:40:28	Mysterytrain	yeah because I am hearing that if you install an iso of w11 on new hardware with secure boot off, you will not get updates
2021-09-01 21:41:01	Foxboron	I don't think that is true, and it's irrelevant to the mentioned problem
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2021-09-01 21:42:51	Mysterytrain	yep I'll leave it at that
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2021-09-01 21:43:28	aphirst	i'm not particularly interested in updating to w11 but i would just like to use SB if possible
2021-09-01 21:43:41	Mysterytrain	gotcha
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2021-09-01 21:48:25	teraflops	ioistired: ttf-joypixel used to ship with 75-joypixels.conf which takes care of the issue you are describing
2021-09-01 21:48:39	ioistired	> used to
2021-09-01 21:48:40	teraflops	but it's no longer provided
2021-09-01 21:48:44	ioistired	why not
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2021-09-01 21:48:53	teraflops	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/blob/packages/ttf-joypixels/trunk/ttf-joypixels.install
2021-09-01 21:49:09	ioistired	what is FS#66080
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2021-09-01 21:50:10	Namarrgon	!bug 66080
2021-09-01 21:50:11	phrik	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/66080
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2021-09-01 21:51:42	teraflops	well I do have segou ui font families as my emoji provider ;)
2021-09-01 21:52:04	teraflops	they look better on a terminal client imo
2021-09-01 21:55:45	ioistired	teraflops: ok, i just re-added that file and commented out the Segoe UI Symbols block. do i have to do anything for the changes to take effect?
2021-09-01 21:56:16	ioistired	oh, just had to restart firefox. it looks good now!
2021-09-01 21:56:18	teraflops	restart firefox or whatever
2021-09-01 21:56:33	teraflops	nice
2021-09-01 21:56:58	ioistired	now if i could just figure out how to update fcitx's unicode database for the unicode input tool…
2021-09-01 21:57:07	ioistired	i did it before and it was a pain and i forgot
2021-09-01 21:57:37	teraflops	what's that, to input emojis in a fashionable way?
2021-09-01 21:57:50	ioistired	it's for inputting any unicode character but i mostly use it for emojis
2021-09-01 21:58:06	teraflops	ibus is great for that
2021-09-01 21:58:24	ioistired	downside is, if you want to type 👀 for example, you have to scroll past all the kanji containing an eyes radical ⽬ since they're sorted by codepoint haha
2021-09-01 21:58:30	teraflops	you just type goat and the menu selects a goat emoji for you
2021-09-01 21:58:40	ioistired	i saw an ibus plugin actually! can i use it with fcitx?
2021-09-01 21:58:47	teraflops	idk
2021-09-01 21:58:48	ioistired	i saw this https://github.com/salty-horse/ibus-uniemoji
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2021-09-01 21:59:01	teraflops	afaik ibus already does that
2021-09-01 21:59:17	teraflops	no need for the ibus-emoi thingy anymore
2021-09-01 21:59:24	teraflops	emoji^
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2021-09-01 22:00:11	teraflops	ibus is highly configurable anyways
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2021-09-01 22:01:08	ioistired	i use and like fcitx for pinyin input already tho
2021-09-01 22:01:15	ioistired	then again i don't do much mandarin anymore
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2021-09-01 22:01:26	ioistired	https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/fcitx-table-emoji debian has this
2021-09-01 22:01:30	phrik	Title: Debian -- Details of package fcitx-table-emoji in bullseye (at packages.debian.org)
2021-09-01 22:01:56	ioistired	oh i'm still on fcitx4
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2021-09-01 22:04:55	weeman	teraflops: mpv 'https://0x0.st/NUIX'
2021-09-01 22:05:30	weeman	spanked by the norsemen, again
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2021-09-01 22:24:07	teraflops	weeman: ouch ;(
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2021-09-02 18:58:20	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1330 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1328 normals)
2021-09-02 08:42:52	Tom^	predicament: meh its kinda neat, prime-run <application> and the driver detects an application is accessing the card, power it on. and when said application exits, powers off.
2021-09-02 08:43:10	Tom^	heck its almost a better situation then what windows does lol
2021-09-02 08:43:18	predicament	yeah i like it if i'm using something that isn't mine or if i want to just help someone get it to work
2021-09-02 08:43:21	predicament	yes i know
2021-09-02 08:43:34	predicament	which is why i havent gone back to windows
2021-09-02 08:43:39	predicament	windows is its own bitch driver-wise
2021-09-02 08:43:41	predicament	with this setup
2021-09-02 08:43:48	Tom^	it took a decade or so to get working optimus and by accident it turned out better then what windows offers lol
2021-09-02 08:43:49	predicament	manjaro was the first to boot
2021-09-02 08:44:33	predicament	so then after a few months with manjaro, i installed arch.. after some adjusting, i realized that it didn't once break vs manjaro's two times
2021-09-02 08:44:47	predicament	by "break" i don't mean it the way most do
2021-09-02 08:44:56	predicament	"omg you broke it"
2021-09-02 08:45:02	predicament	just misconfigured
2021-09-02 08:45:05	predicament	thats all.
2021-09-02 08:45:15	Tom^	well manjaro is what it is, preconfigured shitpile.
2021-09-02 08:45:19	predicament	lol
2021-09-02 08:45:30	predicament	well that's why i'm on arch
2021-09-02 08:45:32	predicament	:)
2021-09-02 08:46:04	predicament	it broke me in so i could actually learn some stuff before i went to arch, so
2021-09-02 08:46:57	predicament	i don't know, it helped to run manjaro.. familiarity with aur helpers and the package manager is no different, as its arch based.. and i realized that it isnt that difficult.
2021-09-02 08:48:03	thingfish	that's the one good thing about manjaro: it funnels people over to Arch, often enough.
2021-09-02 08:48:32	predicament	it definitely did that for me, i mean i have used it before.. when it was arch 0.7.  
2021-09-02 08:48:43	predicament	it wasnt very difficult.
2021-09-02 08:48:46	predicament	lol
2021-09-02 08:48:57	predicament	back then it was a bit different
2021-09-02 08:49:34	predicament	but it is not really that difficult
2021-09-02 08:50:00	predicament	manjaro is like a vpn tunnel for former ubuntu users
2021-09-02 08:50:13	predicament	vpn/tunnel*
2021-09-02 08:50:21	predicament	hahaha
2021-09-02 08:50:39	predicament	i think thats funny.
2021-09-02 08:50:43	thingfish	:)
2021-09-02 08:51:22	Tom^	is anyone even using ubuntu still? feels like its died of more or less to mint/popos/manjaro/arch/suse/fedora
2021-09-02 08:51:34	Tom^	rarely see anyone anywhere using it
2021-09-02 08:51:38	thingfish	same
2021-09-02 08:51:55	predicament	mint/popos is a derivative though.  last derivative i used was mint
2021-09-02 08:52:19	thingfish	I know someone who uses it, but that person is certainly not an endorsement for it.  The dude is about as smart as a pebble.
2021-09-02 08:52:30	predicament	hahaha
2021-09-02 08:52:50	Tom^	ah pro tip, when on battery drop down to 60hz, prolonged my battery with ~30% of time.
2021-09-02 08:52:51	Tom^	xD
2021-09-02 08:53:08	predicament	i dont have a good 144hz monitor for my laptop screen ;/
2021-09-02 08:53:10	predicament	i want one
2021-09-02 08:53:12	predicament	its only 60
2021-09-02 08:53:14	predicament	so
2021-09-02 08:53:18	predicament	its always 60.
2021-09-02 08:53:42	Tom^	if upower is anywhere close it went from 14w to 9w usage.
2021-09-02 08:53:55	predicament	damn
2021-09-02 11:32:40	Edu4rdSHL	I was reading https://linderud.dev/blog/mkinitcpio-v31-and-uefi-stubs/, if I configure it, that means that I can get rid of /boot/loader/entries/*.conf files for systemd-boot? 
2021-09-02 11:34:18	Edu4rdSHL	And almost all the /boot/{vmlinuz*,*.img} files?
2021-09-02 11:35:14	Edu4rdSHL	Mmm no, it's just for creating the EFI images, default_efi_image != default_image
2021-09-02 12:02:52	MrElendig	efistub directly will just come back and bite you when you need to boot with some other kernel parameter
2021-09-02 12:04:18	MrElendig	but sure if you put the bundled .efi in the default load path then you don't need any nvram entry
2021-09-02 12:04:27	MrElendig	if you also hardcode in the uuid of your root etc
2021-09-02 12:13:51	th0rne	shellcheck gives me a warning for 'if [[ -f /some/glob* ]]', but what if I "know" that it'll match either 0 or 1 files (but I don't know the entire filename)? Then it's fine, right?
2021-09-02 12:14:02	enoq	did steam break?
2021-09-02 12:14:13	@jelle	enoq: yes, new freetype breaks it
2021-09-02 12:14:26	enoq	fantastic :D
2021-09-02 12:15:41	enoq	https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/09/steam-not-working-right-on-arch-linux-its-an-issue-with-freetype-and-theres-a-fix
2021-09-02 12:15:44	enoq	thanks
2021-09-02 12:15:44	phrik	Title: Steam not working right on Arch Linux? It's an issue with FreeType and there's a fix | GamingOnLinux (at www.gamingonlinux.com)
2021-09-02 12:18:01	frostwork	th0rne, you could use something like 'if [ "$(find "/some/" -name "glob*" | wc -l)" -ge 0 ]' alternatively
2021-09-02 12:19:08	th0rne	Yeah, ok, thanks. Or '-eq 1', I guess.
2021-09-02 12:19:09	MrElendig	frostwork: need zero termination
2021-09-02 12:19:36	MrElendig	but checking array lenght is probably faster than calling find
2021-09-02 12:19:45	MrElendig	(and less error prone)
2021-09-02 12:19:51	th0rne	How do you mean?
2021-09-02 12:21:27	frostwork	MrElendig, might not be the fastest solution, but I can't see any problem apart from that
2021-09-02 12:21:48	th0rne	I guess with nullglob I could do 'if [[ -n /some/glob* ]]'?
2021-09-02 12:22:20	th0rne	Not sure if it'd still give the warning.
2021-09-02 12:22:22	MrElendig	shopt -s nullglob; declare -a thing; thing=(/some/path*); then check the lenfht
2021-09-02 12:22:39	th0rne	Ok, thanks.
2021-09-02 12:22:47	MrElendig	or test directly if you are not going to use the filename for anything
2021-09-02 12:23:00	MrElendig	or even better: python :p
2021-09-02 12:23:03	th0rne	:)
2021-09-02 12:23:24	MrElendig	or rust/go
2021-09-02 12:23:32	frostwork	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2021-09-02 12:25:23	MrElendig	sidenote: shellcheck will also propose fixes
2021-09-02 12:25:38	MrElendig	https://github.com/koalaman/shellcheck/wiki/SC2144
2021-09-02 12:25:47	th0rne	Yeah, but using a for loop for what's going to be one file seems weird.
2021-09-02 12:25:59	MrElendig	th0rne: what you assume will be one file
2021-09-02 12:26:06	enoq	so sed
2021-09-02 12:26:07	MrElendig	suddently it isn't and everything breaks
2021-09-02 12:26:20	enoq	sed needs a new out file if you replace something right?
2021-09-02 12:26:28	enoq	is there a way to replace a string in place?
2021-09-02 12:26:36	enoq	without creating a new file
2021-09-02 12:27:00	th0rne	You mean like --in-place?
2021-09-02 12:27:06	enoq	wow
2021-09-02 12:27:08	enoq	thanks
2021-09-02 12:27:08	th0rne	:D
2021-09-02 12:27:29	th0rne	Np. :)
2021-09-02 12:28:43	th0rne	-i[SUFFIX], --in-place[=SUFFIX] edit files in place (makes backup if SUFFIX supplied)
2021-09-02 12:37:52	j0hannes_	Hi. I'm unable to play any sound anymore; pulseaudio shows the devices and the changing volume of sound that is played, but I don't hear anything using the internal sound of my laptop or a connected headset
2021-09-02 12:38:36	j0hannes_	I have changed the default output and disconned everything but still there's no sound at all
2021-09-02 12:44:19	MrElendig	check which output it is playing to
2021-09-02 12:44:31	MrElendig	also jack sensing is just broken/buggy on a lot of laptops
2021-09-02 12:45:41	j0hannes_	that would be something to test if I had an actual audio cable
2021-09-02 12:46:15	j0hannes_	the only output that produces sound is the A2DP bluetooth profile
2021-09-02 12:46:36	J_Darnley	LOL.  I think I can make nmcli (or something behind it) crash with a segfault by providing a zero length password
2021-09-02 12:47:28	MrElendig	J_Darnley: if you can reproduce it then bug rapport it
2021-09-02 12:47:32	MrElendig	if it hasn't been already
2021-09-02 12:48:06	J_Darnley	I haven't updated in a couple of weeks so I will try to remember to do next time I do so
2021-09-02 12:48:31	J_Darnley	And do you mean report upstream or to the Arch package?
2021-09-02 12:49:38	MrElendig	both, but the former is the most important
2021-09-02 12:49:48	MrElendig	update first of course before you try to reproduce
2021-09-02 12:50:01	J_Darnley	Indeed
2021-09-02 12:56:47	adikwok	please help, i use openbox wm, web whatsapp can not download pic or files
2021-09-02 12:56:47	adikwok	how to make it able?
2021-09-02 12:57:53	MrElendig	click allow in that popupp box your browser displayed
2021-09-02 12:58:05	MrElendig	also switch to signal
2021-09-02 13:05:00	adikwok	MrElendig: i use chromium and on site settings images is allowed(ask)
2021-09-02 13:06:40	adikwok	MrElendig: ok i will try signal
2021-09-02 13:08:21	MrElendig	adblocker/similar might break it too
2021-09-02 13:09:35	MrElendig	adikwok: padlock -> site settings -> permissions
2021-09-02 13:11:00	adikwok	MrElendig: yes, i went to site settings -> permissions
2021-09-02 13:11:00	adikwok	and images is allowed
2021-09-02 13:11:11	MrElendig	automatic download etc
2021-09-02 13:13:40	adikwok	MrElendig: all set to default 
2021-09-02 13:14:03	MrElendig	default doesn't help if the default is block :p
2021-09-02 14:16:18	Edu4rdSHL	"also switch to signal"
2021-09-02 14:16:22	Edu4rdSHL	The best advice
2021-09-02 14:16:45	johndvd	I got a 10GbE network adapter, it works with kernel driver/module "atlantic", but it takes too long to load and initialize the device. (I'm using NetworkManager btw). How could I force to load it earlier in boot process?
2021-09-02 14:18:02	Edu4rdSHL	johndvd, adding it to the MODULES array in mkinitcpio.conf 
2021-09-02 14:18:19	Edu4rdSHL	And updating the mkinitcpio images after the change
2021-09-02 14:19:11	Edu4rdSHL	I wonder why it "takes too long to load" or even if it's the real problem, but that's the answer for your question about early load
2021-09-02 14:19:32	johndvd	Edu4rdSHL I already tried that, no noticable improvement
2021-09-02 14:19:48	Edu4rdSHL	Then that is not the problem
2021-09-02 14:21:07	johndvd	the problem is, that serveral programs loaded on X start need internet, but it takes ~14sek until the connection is ready. with onboard 1GbE it is instantly working
2021-09-02 14:21:38	johndvd	the programs show up error due to that behaviour
2021-09-02 14:22:55	Edu4rdSHL	johndvd, give the output of `journalctl -rb `
2021-09-02 14:22:57	johndvd	is it possible to define a different driver?
2021-09-02 14:23:34	Edu4rdSHL	And also: `lspci -nn |grep net` 
2021-09-02 14:46:12	Hello71	sure, if you want your network to not work
2021-09-02 14:46:37	Hello71	why do i get the impression that it's slowly falling back to 1Gb
2021-09-02 15:10:05	pulec	anyone using signal-desktop?
2021-09-02 15:10:20	pulec	I'm getting massive lags on it, running from logs I don't see any warnings or anything
2021-09-02 15:10:39	pulec	I receive a message and it takes likes 1 minute for me to view it
2021-09-02 15:11:51	Tom^	pulec: does signal work with uh snapchat or similiar?
2021-09-02 15:11:56	Tom^	or is it just sms
2021-09-02 15:12:58	@jelle	Tom^: it's more similar to whatsapp :-)
2021-09-02 15:13:07	pulec	Tom^: you sync it with android app
2021-09-02 15:13:49	Tom^	ah ok
2021-09-02 15:15:25	Tom^	LOL so there is this emulator bluestacks for android, doesnt let me download it https://i.imgur.com/VKljamE.jpg ...
2021-09-02 15:15:34	Tom^	jeezus
2021-09-02 15:18:39	Edu4rdSHL	pulec, which processor/graphics card do you have?
2021-09-02 15:18:44	pulec	!aw android emulator
2021-09-02 15:18:45	phrik	pulec: No results found.
2021-09-02 15:18:49	Edu4rdSHL	Also, is that on a group?
2021-09-02 15:18:58	Edu4rdSHL	A group chat*
2021-09-02 15:19:15	pulec	Edu4rdSHL: [AMD/ATI] Vega 10 XL/XT [Radeon RX Vega 56/64] (rev c3)
2021-09-02 15:19:20	pulec	no, single chat
2021-09-02 15:19:37	pulec	I get black screen if I click something and switch to other virtual screen on i3
2021-09-02 15:19:47	pulec	sometime it works fine
2021-09-02 15:20:03	pulec	I do get this tho: (signal-desktop:68822): libnotify-WARNING **: 15:10:26.116: Failed to connect to proxy
2021-09-02 15:20:25	Edu4rdSHL	Do you have a notifications daemon running?
2021-09-02 15:20:45	pulec	I disabled notifications, that might helped
2021-09-02 15:21:04	pulec	I have no notification daemon
2021-09-02 15:21:08	pulec	that might have been it lol
2021-09-02 15:21:17	pulec	only notifs I get are from firefox extensions
2021-09-02 15:22:17	Edu4rdSHL	Try installing a notifications daemon and see how it goes, several programs have locks when they try to send a notification and it is not possible
2021-09-02 15:27:52	meks	, i got arch linux on t2 mac and brcmfmac module is blocking suspend. If i do modprobe -r brcmfmac before suspend it works fine
2021-09-02 15:27:53	meks	Is there a way to do it automatically? I mean unloading the module before suspend and loading it back after                      
2021-09-02 15:28:58	Tom^	meks: sure https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management#Sleep_hooks something like that
2021-09-02 15:28:59	phrik	Title: Power management - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-02 15:29:25	grawity	the simplest method would be https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management#Hooks_in_/usr/lib/systemd/system-sleep but ugh
2021-09-02 15:29:26	phrik	Title: Power management - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-02 15:30:03	meks	thank you, i thought that these hooks can only execute after suspend
2021-09-02 15:34:53	horseface	HI!
2021-09-02 15:35:10	horseface	i thought i was b& omg the mercy of the ops <3.
2021-09-02 15:37:29	horseface	hi, i have purchased a new laptop and it's awesome, although the microphone onboard ... doesn't work.
2021-09-02 15:37:34	horseface	where do i start?
2021-09-02 15:37:43	horseface	the laptop type is...
2021-09-02 15:37:58	horseface	Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 Carbon 13ITL5
2021-09-02 15:38:20	@jelle	horseface: does sound work at all?
2021-09-02 15:38:41	horseface	yes, sound works.
2021-09-02 15:38:45	horseface	oh wait..
2021-09-02 15:38:48	horseface	let me check..
2021-09-02 15:39:14	@jelle	horseface: else check dmesg 
2021-09-02 15:39:39	horseface	it's like this because i've only experienced audio working on windows, and since then with moment 0 of arch being installed i've had the USB DAC connected...
2021-09-02 15:39:48	horseface	okay will do in a moment, thanks jello
2021-09-02 15:39:53	horseface	jelle*
2021-09-02 15:40:00	@jelle	horseface: is it intel?
2021-09-02 15:40:10	horseface	it's ALL intel here..
2021-09-02 15:40:18	horseface	"intel evo"
2021-09-02 15:40:23	horseface	intel NIC, etc...
2021-09-02 15:40:37	horseface	afaik, i will double check..
2021-09-02 15:40:47	horseface	but from my understanding of the brand.
2021-09-02 15:41:46	@jelle	horseface: I bet you need sox-firmware
2021-09-02 15:42:04	@jelle	but dmesg should tell you
2021-09-02 15:42:24	horseface	ty :-D
2021-09-02 15:43:58	horseface	https://ibb.co/7V1rKr5
2021-09-02 15:44:00	horseface	jelle, 
2021-09-02 15:44:00	phrik	Title: IMG-20210902-234111629-HDR — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2021-09-02 15:44:02	horseface	:-D
2021-09-02 15:44:25	horseface	the little laptop (13") reaches 5ghz (almost)
2021-09-02 15:44:51	horseface	but new setup... everythign i had before is gone.
2021-09-02 16:04:01	adikwok	please help, how to check what i did, so google keep stop syncing to my android
2021-09-02 16:04:01	adikwok	it was syncing till two days ago
2021-09-02 16:04:39	adikwok	now, what i typed in arch linux google keep either chromium or firefox, it is not syncing with my phone
2021-09-02 16:04:40	adikwok	google calendar still sync
2021-09-02 16:06:09	adikwok	and how to check what google keep app i installed. cause it tried pacman -Qs google there is no information about what package i installed
2021-09-02 16:07:02	adikwok	and web whatsapp also can not download any pic only can texting from whatsapp
2021-09-02 16:07:02	adikwok	it was working well on two days ago
2021-09-02 16:08:12	adikwok	i did try pacman -Rsc chromium and pacman -S chromium 
2021-09-02 16:08:12	adikwok	still google keep not syncing
2021-09-02 16:08:33	mpan	adikwok: `pacman -Qo binary-you-run-to-sync`. Also reinstalling a package is pretty much useless.
2021-09-02 16:11:03	adikwok	mpan: pacman -Qo binary-you-run-to-sync .. i don't know the name of google keep app which i installed
2021-09-02 16:12:00	mpan	So how do you run it?
2021-09-02 16:12:55	adikwok	mpan: open firefox browser, login to google, open google keep web version, but i had one installed as google app in my menu
2021-09-02 16:13:21	mpan	What menu?
2021-09-02 16:13:41	adikwok	mpan: openbox root-menu
2021-09-02 16:16:45	adikwok	mpan:  i tried to logged out from google and logged in 
2021-09-02 16:16:45	adikwok	still google keep is not syncing as before
2021-09-02 16:17:20	adikwok	mpan: google calendar is syncing
2021-09-02 16:24:59	adikwok	mpan: thank you for your help 
2021-09-02 16:25:02	adikwok	i got to go now
2021-09-02 16:42:31	mpan	!later tell adikwok I don’t use Goofle, but a question: does it work if you install Chrome instead of Chromium? The timing doesn’t match, but a few months ago Goofle has blocked many features in Chromium.
2021-09-02 16:42:32	phrik	mpan: Tada!
2021-09-02 16:57:44	Hello71	i'm pretty sure they're not using either firefox or chromium
2021-09-02 16:58:11	Hello71	oh, wait, never mind
2021-09-02 17:20:29	samuelrajan747	Hi all, any clues to solve audio lag? I'm using arch+pipewire+kvm/qemu+virtmanager/virt-viewer as host and win10 as guest, thanks in advance
2021-09-02 17:22:27	grazzolini	samuelrajan747: do you have realtime-privileges installed?
2021-09-02 17:23:36	samuelrajan747	grazzolini: not yet, installing now
2021-09-02 17:23:52	grazzolini	samuelrajan747: you also need to add yourself to the realtime group.
2021-09-02 17:24:12	grazzolini	samuelrajan747: this is still on the pipewire level. on the qemu level, there are a few settings too that can be done
2021-09-02 17:26:00	samuelrajan747	grazzolini: Thanks a lot, I'll reboot after adding myself to realtime group to get that sorted. Please provide me any pointers in qemu/pipewire side
2021-09-02 17:57:34	Hoolean	howdy, i have a package at version 1.40, but on community/ is at version 5.15
2021-09-02 17:57:41	Hoolean	and when i run a pacman -S, it can't see the new version
2021-09-02 17:57:44	Hoolean	it just reinstalls the old one
2021-09-02 17:57:49	Hoolean	where might i be confusing myself or my system
2021-09-02 17:57:55	Namarrgon	-Syu
2021-09-02 17:58:08	Hoolean	i just did one prior
2021-09-02 17:58:08	Namarrgon	-y updates the databases, -u updates the packages
2021-09-02 17:58:13	Hoolean	although i haven't restarted yet
2021-09-02 17:58:19	Namarrgon	then your mirror might be out of date
2021-09-02 17:58:21	Hoolean	(i don't think that would make a diff but just in case)
2021-09-02 17:58:25	Hoolean	that's poss
2021-09-02 17:58:34	Namarrgon	pick a new one and -Syu again
2021-09-02 18:00:36	Hoolean	Namarrgon: can confirm, mirror's lastsync was in March
2021-09-02 18:00:37	Hoolean	good hunch
2021-09-02 18:00:50	thursdaylark	Hoolean: which mirror?
2021-09-02 18:01:00	thursdaylark	may constitute a bug report
2021-09-02 18:01:11	Hoolean	http://archlinux.mirrors.uk2.net/
2021-09-02 18:01:13	phrik	Title: Index of / (at archlinux.mirrors.uk2.net)
2021-09-02 18:01:16	Hoolean	for the UK
2021-09-02 18:12:42	baltazar	doesn't seem to be in the mirrorlist anymore, so I guess it makes sense
2021-09-02 18:14:12	mpan	Hoolean: if you see no updates for a week, it’s a good idea to check if the mirror if fine. That implies: you should update more often than once half a year. :)
2021-09-02 18:24:13	thursdaylark	!give Hoolean reflector
2021-09-02 18:24:14	phrik	Hoolean: reflector -p https -c <country> --score 10 --sort rate --save /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
2021-09-02 18:24:34	thursdaylark	it also comes with a service and a timer so it'll update weekly based on a config
2021-09-02 18:24:42	thursdaylark	should solve your mirrorlist issues
2021-09-02 18:25:14	thursdaylark	and while you're at it, deal with your pacnews, because that's probably what landed you here in the first place :P
2021-09-02 18:28:22	Hoolean	mpan: guilty
2021-09-02 18:28:40	Hoolean	thursdaylark: just been having a look into that, cheers :) will set something up around that
2021-09-02 18:28:45	Hoolean	wiki page is treating me goood
2021-09-02 18:29:06	thursdaylark	Yeah, it's definitely a nice automation :)
2021-09-02 18:29:25	⚡ 	mpan will, as always, argue against using -c unless there are clear reasons to use it. Just let the actual data decide, even if it’s a bit flawed (latency is not taken into account).
2021-09-02 18:30:14	alad	mpan -c
2021-09-02 18:58:20	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-02 19:00:28	machinehum	Is there a reasonable way to install python3.8? I need it for this: https://github.com/zephyrproject-rtos/zephyr/issues/34397
2021-09-02 19:00:52	machinehum	There's something in the AUR but something is telling me that will break things
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2021-09-02 19:04:33	Namarrgon	does it actually need 3.8 or ony >=3.8?
2021-09-02 19:04:37	Namarrgon	*only
2021-09-02 19:04:56	Hello71	i guess it's a binary distro
2021-09-02 19:05:37	thursdaylark	it's not clear afaict
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2021-09-02 19:06:55	thursdaylark	machinehum: which package are you trying to build?
2021-09-02 19:08:17	Namarrgon	"A modern Python 3 version is required. Check what version you have by using python3 --version."
2021-09-02 19:08:24	Namarrgon	whatever constitutes "modern"
2021-09-02 19:08:41	thursdaylark	whatever *I* determine is modern :P
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2021-09-02 19:09:46	another|	IMHO 3.9 is more modern than 3.8
2021-09-02 19:10:02	thursdaylark	one would assume...
2021-09-02 19:10:06	Namarrgon	try it and see what happens, i'd say
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2021-09-02 19:10:46	thursdaylark	the issue referenced says that 3.9 is explicitly unsupported
2021-09-02 19:11:13	thursdaylark	but: https://github.com/zephyrproject-rtos/zephyr/issues/34397#issuecomment-823029107
2021-09-02 19:11:15	frostwork	it also says "You can also utilize the /home/user/zephyr-sdk-0.12.4/arm-zephyr-eabi/bin/arm-zephyr-eabi-gdb-no-py version"
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2021-09-02 19:13:25	thursdaylark	ahh, nvm, thought this was an error building an aur package
2021-09-02 19:13:31	thursdaylark	didn't read it right :P
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2021-09-02 19:13:41	machinehum	Namarrgon: It seems to need python 3.8, https://pastebin.com/raw/ZqsU4Kfm
2021-09-02 19:13:42	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-vvf.txt
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2021-09-02 19:14:13	machinehum	It's quite a large semi monolithic project
2021-09-02 19:14:35	machinehum	thursdaylark: I'm just trying to use the debugging function in zephyr
2021-09-02 19:14:50	niki	machinehum: i'm sure you can put python 3.8 somewhere safe and load it with LD_LIBRARY_PATH only for zephyr
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2021-09-02 19:15:03	niki	So it doesn't interfere with anything else on the system
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2021-09-02 19:15:20	thursdaylark	machinehum: so, what's the block on using the solution in the issue you found? https://github.com/zephyrproject-rtos/zephyr/issues/34397#issuecomment-823006008
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2021-09-02 19:15:44	machinehum	o:
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2021-09-02 19:15:49	machinehum	Sorry I didn't see that
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2021-09-02 19:19:54	machinehum	Now to figure out how to actually use that
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2021-09-02 19:46:35	MrElendig	machinehum: pyenv
2021-09-02 19:46:47	MrElendig	machinehum: but real solution is to update the code for 3.9
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2021-09-02 20:00:22	th0rne	Let's say I have a machine with i3 that's usually used without a mouse. Is there a way to hide the mouse cursor until the first mouse event, or something like this?
2021-09-02 20:01:09	th0rne	The mouse cursor in the middle of the screen is a bit distracting when in a single window.
2021-09-02 20:01:09	MrElendig	see the i3 faq
2021-09-02 20:01:12	th0rne	Thanks.
2021-09-02 20:01:21	⚡ 	MrElendig senses a patter of refusing to check docs first
2021-09-02 20:01:26	th0rne	:o
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2021-09-02 20:01:46	thursdaylark	lmgtfy: xorg hide mouse
2021-09-02 20:02:15	pulec	anyone using Steam? even after I reinstalled it I can't access friends and chat window
2021-09-02 20:02:18	MrElendig	sidenote: nvidia card?
2021-09-02 20:02:33	th0rne	Intel.
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2021-09-02 20:02:53	MrElendig	then I suggest giving sway a try instead
2021-09-02 20:02:55	th0rne	You lied, I see nothing about hiding cursor in the i3 faq.
2021-09-02 20:03:08	MrElendig	th0rne: pretty damn sure it used to have a section about it
2021-09-02 20:03:15	th0rne	Here? https://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html
2021-09-02 20:03:17	phrik	Title: i3: i3 User’s Guide (at i3wm.org)
2021-09-02 20:04:09	pulec	you lied MrElendig!
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2021-09-02 20:04:18	pulec	yeah I should upgrade to sway as well
2021-09-02 20:04:22	th0rne	"upgrade"
2021-09-02 20:04:25	MrElendig	ah it was in the old faq
2021-09-02 20:04:30	MrElendig	that link is not the faq though :p
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2021-09-02 20:04:43	th0rne	I googled "i3 faq" and that was the first result.
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2021-09-02 20:05:36	th0rne	Ok, I see there is faq.i3wm.org, but it seems to not work?
2021-09-02 20:05:43	th0rne	I get a 404 when I search for anything.
2021-09-02 20:05:59	MrElendig	sway has it built in, for i3 you can use unclutter/musetrap/about a billion other third party apps
2021-09-02 20:06:08	th0rne	Nice, thanks.,
2021-09-02 20:06:16	grazzolini	pulec: use steam-native or activate steam beta channel
2021-09-02 20:06:24	pulec	regular pacman -S steam
2021-09-02 20:06:29	grazzolini	I recommend you use steam-native instead
2021-09-02 20:06:36	grazzolini	pulec: pacman -S steam-native-runtime
2021-09-02 20:06:52	MrElendig	both are broken for me which is fun :/
2021-09-02 20:07:08	pulec	hmmmmmm
2021-09-02 20:07:10	pulec	what's the diff?
2021-09-02 20:07:15	MrElendig	at least the everything is black when using runtime is fixed on steam beta, but almost no games works :o
2021-09-02 20:07:19	MrElendig	er.. :p
2021-09-02 20:07:25	th0rne	Steam native works fine for me.
2021-09-02 20:07:31	MrElendig	pulec: system libs vs 200 year old bundled libs
2021-09-02 20:07:48	pulec	everything works fine except that friends window
2021-09-02 20:07:55	pulec	ah that's decent diff
2021-09-02 20:08:53	grazzolini	MrElendig: you have games that are exceptions, not rule
2021-09-02 20:09:02	grazzolini	I have 100+ games here, all work with steam-native
2021-09-02 20:09:16	MrElendig	grazzolini: I doubt that 80+% of my steam lib is an exception
2021-09-02 20:09:26	MrElendig	considering its size :p
2021-09-02 20:09:35	grazzolini	MrElendig: could be, or you didn't look for the missing libs enough
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2021-09-02 20:09:42	th0rne	Both of my steam games and steam itself has worked fine this whole time.
2021-09-02 20:09:44	MrElendig	fun thing is that most of them doesn't even give any useful output on the terminal
2021-09-02 20:09:47	MrElendig	:(
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2021-09-02 20:11:19	thursdaylark	on the steam client beta channel, everything works properly for me. On the release channel, I'm still getting the black square on the main content window, and can't open the friends and chat window at all
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2021-09-02 20:12:16	Tom^	fun stuff too, steam still inhibits screensaver/dpms fyi.
2021-09-02 20:12:23	Tom^	been doing so for the past 2 years or so
2021-09-02 20:12:25	thursdaylark	steam-native on release channel, everything works
2021-09-02 20:12:35	MrElendig	and forcing proton just make it hang forever on preparing to launch.. on most games :/
2021-09-02 20:12:57	Tom^	MrElendig: nvidia?
2021-09-02 20:13:02	MrElendig	amd, sadly
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2021-09-02 20:13:46	MrElendig	navi1, so was abandoned the second amd released navi2 too :/
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2021-09-02 20:14:09	Tom^	:/
2021-09-02 20:14:43	MrElendig	(still no usable compute)
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2021-09-02 20:15:08	BrainDamage	I found out that I'm much happier bypassing steam, get the game from another source, install using wine, then run the game using proton-native
2021-09-02 20:15:16	MrElendig	but then again it's only been two years, and amd is "fine wine" :p
2021-09-02 20:15:53	MrElendig	most of my steam lib used to work, but somehow they managed to break it in the last few months
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2021-09-02 20:16:36	⚡ 	MrElendig do hope that the switch to arch for steamos3 will also get them to bump the versions in their runtime, but doubt it
2021-09-02 20:17:02	MrElendig	the ancient sdl in the runtime has some known issues with navi
2021-09-02 20:17:08	◣	cryzed (~cryzed@194.54.80.38) ha abandonado #archlinux
2021-09-02 20:17:09	teraflops	I mostly do proton via lutris (I buy GOG games) and almost every game I tried worked fine
2021-09-02 20:17:18	MrElendig	which doesn't help at all
2021-09-02 20:17:27	◥	shibboleth (~shibbolet@user/shibboleth) has joined #archlinux
2021-09-02 20:18:06	grazzolini	Tom^: yes, steam inhibit DPMS
2021-09-02 20:18:32	grazzolini	MrElendig: try switching to proton experimental for the games you're having issues
2021-09-02 20:18:54	⚡ 	MrElendig is also miffed about feral/CA not fixing the unit dragging/alt key under gnu/linux
2021-09-02 20:19:07	grazzolini	MrElendig: afaik, there are no plans to use steamos as new base for steam runtime, unfortunately.
2021-09-02 20:19:17	MrElendig	grazzolini: have, also tested with clean user etc just in case
2021-09-02 20:19:33	MrElendig	grazzolini: flatpak steam is slightly better, but not by much
2021-09-02 20:19:51	Tom^	grazzolini: happily there are workarounds to that eg https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/steam-screensaver-fix/ :P
2021-09-02 20:19:52	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - steam-screensaver-fix (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2021-09-02 20:20:44	Tom^	MrElendig: what game doesnt run?
2021-09-02 20:21:32	Tom^	MrElendig: and il see if it does here on this amd cezanne gpu
2021-09-02 20:21:42	MrElendig	a load of rpgmaker based ones, nepnep series, endless space and a load of others
2021-09-02 20:21:49	grazzolini	Tom^: I don't mind, because I usually close steam when I'm not using it.
2021-09-02 20:21:54	MrElendig	a mix of native and proton
2021-09-02 20:22:01	grazzolini	Tom^: having said that, I think we could add that patch to Arch's SDL
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2021-09-02 20:22:15	MrElendig	worst part is basically no useful output in the console :/
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2021-09-02 20:23:14	grazzolini	MrElendig: oh, rpgmaker here also gives me a black screen, either on steam-native or -runtime. there's a workaround though, add PROTON_USE_WINED3D=1 to your launch options
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2021-09-02 20:23:33	MrElendig	doesn't even get that far
2021-09-02 20:24:02	MrElendig	don't even see a pid half the time :/
2021-09-02 20:24:12	Tom^	flyingpig: well isnt For Turing generation cards with Intel Coffee Lake or above CPUs , "above cpus" kind of implying. "There is no support for older Intel CPUs. "
2021-09-02 20:24:34	grazzolini	MrElendig: are you using firejail?
2021-09-02 20:24:37	MrElendig	nope
2021-09-02 20:24:39	Tom^	flyingpig: you are editing my first attempt at a wiki contribution after 13 years of using arch xD
2021-09-02 20:24:40	grazzolini	or other sandboxing?
2021-09-02 20:24:49	grazzolini	MrElendig: are you using the steam linux runtime?
2021-09-02 20:24:57	◣	CodeLyoko (CodeLyoko@wikipedia/codelyoko) ha salido (Quit: To win, sometimes you have to know how to lose.)
2021-09-02 20:25:05	MrElendig	both native and runtime are about as broken
2021-09-02 20:25:46	MrElendig	it kinda feels like it is a bug in steam itself when it comes to spawning the programs, due to the lack of console output 
2021-09-02 20:25:51	flyingpig	Tom^: I suppose that is redundant and unnecessary. I'll undo.
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2021-09-02 20:25:56	grazzolini	MrElendig: no, I'm talking about the bubblewrap stuff that you can install on steam that makes your game run into a runtime inside a runtime
2021-09-02 20:26:01	Tom^	flyingpig: heh
2021-09-02 20:26:28	grazzolini	MrElendig: I would say more than half my games are proton and work just fine.
2021-09-02 20:26:51	Tom^	ive yet to find a game that doesnt run on proton but then i dont have that many indie games
2021-09-02 20:26:54	ℹ 	plaava es conocido ahora como plava
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2021-09-02 20:27:12	MrElendig	clostest thing to useful output is that I sometimes get a "pid 148154 != 148151, skipping destruction (fork without exec?)" but that's it :/
2021-09-02 20:27:15	Tom^	mostly run them in wine too just because it means i dont have to launch steam
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2021-09-02 20:27:39	ℹ 	rob es conocido ahora como bobwal
2021-09-02 20:27:39	MrElendig	I should unlazify myself and strace/gdb it
2021-09-02 20:30:07	grazzolini	MrElendig: tl:dr, rpgmaker sucks
2021-09-02 20:30:27	MrElendig	that it does
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2021-09-02 20:30:58	MrElendig	starts fine when not trough steam though
2021-09-02 20:31:24	⚡ 	MrElendig is dualbooting anyway so isn't *that* bothered with it thankfully
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2021-09-02 20:32:56	grazzolini	MrElendig: hmm, have you tried to disable the steam overlay? trying to find that
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2021-09-02 21:49:25	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1346 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1344 normals)
2021-09-02 21:01:00	pulec	damnit, now I am forced to launch game via steam's big box
2021-09-02 21:01:06	pulec	the heck is wrong with regular steam
2021-09-02 21:02:04	Namarrgon	works fine here with the native runtime
2021-09-02 21:11:00	th0rne	Same.
2021-09-02 21:19:26	th0rne	MrElendig❱ Do you want me to send you proton?
2021-09-02 21:20:04	th0rne	Oh, it's pretty big.
2021-09-02 21:20:59	th0rne	'proton' itself is a 55K python. Do you have the rest of the files?
2021-09-02 21:25:47	bionade24	Hello, when attempting to boot a systemd-nspawn container, I get: Failed to mount tmpfs at /run/lock: No such file or directory
2021-09-02 21:25:47	bionade24	[!!!!!!] Failed to mount API filesystems, freezing.
2021-09-02 21:25:47	bionade24	Freezing execution.
2021-09-02 21:26:26	bionade24	Does anyone know how to solve this?
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2021-09-02 23:09:23	vindicator	Are early boot messages not shown when booting in EFI? I see the output when booting via syslinux (vbox archiso). There's a delay in EFI before it ends with "EFI stub: Loaded initrd from command line option""
2021-09-02 23:11:53	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-02 23:33:44	pulec	startwl? just exec sway in it?
2021-09-02 23:33:50	pulec	+ my few other launch apps
2021-09-02 23:34:04	rcf	In my case I have a .wlprofile and .wlinitrc and https://rcf.sdf.org/pb/t/0c75e471 as startwl 
2021-09-02 23:35:24	⚡ 	pulec clicks
2021-09-02 23:35:41	pulec	I am more interested if sway will fix my steam client issues
2021-09-02 23:36:08	brocellous	steam client issues are more likely issues with steam client
2021-09-02 23:36:29	pulec	rcf: I gotta learn about wlprofile I guess
2021-09-02 23:36:54	pulec	yeah brocellous but I removed ~/.local/share/Steam twice today and nothing helped
2021-09-02 23:37:00	pulec	still bloody black screen one verything
2021-09-02 23:37:21	rcf	pulec: it's not a standard, I just use it as a replacement for .xprofile because I do weird shit before entering the GUI. 
2021-09-02 23:37:31	pulec	hmmmmmmm
2021-09-02 23:37:46	pulec	so I just do .pulecstart and add my shit there
2021-09-02 23:37:57	pulec	I don't wana use any bloody login manager
2021-09-02 23:38:15	rcf	You should start most things in the sway config honestly 
2021-09-02 23:38:48	brocellous	none are supported by sway anyway
2021-09-02 23:39:20	pulec	great now I get no sound...
2021-09-02 23:39:23	rcf	pulec: and if you insist on sharing a base config with i3, you can do includes with sway's config file and only do the sway-specific shit there. 
2021-09-02 23:39:39	pulec	no I mean to do hard switch to sway
2021-09-02 23:40:15	bebop	I'm try to display an image in my terminal (Konsole, I use Plasma). I have w3m,imagemagick, imlib2 and I stil can only see an image as "w3m google.com" but I can't in neofetch script. 
2021-09-02 23:42:00	pulec	damnit what is with the sound aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
2021-09-02 23:42:18	rcf	Is pulseaudio running 
2021-09-02 23:42:23	rcf	And is it responsive 
2021-09-02 23:42:23	pulec	yes
2021-09-02 23:42:30	pulec	I'm using pavucontrol
2021-09-02 23:42:32	rcf	Sometimes on reexecution I need to kill it explicitly. 
2021-09-02 23:42:37	bebop	pulseaudio -k
2021-09-02 23:42:46	pulec	everything seems to be ok, it just set my monitor as audio device for a bit
2021-09-02 23:42:49	rcf	bebop: what is the exact script you're trying to use 
2021-09-02 23:42:51	pulec	I did kill it twice
2021-09-02 23:43:56	bebop	rcf: just using neofetch with w3m, imagemagick, imlib2 which were the instructions. I then configured the config.conf script for neofetch correctly as well. I have this configuration on a deb machine and it works.
2021-09-02 23:44:13	pulec	ah ok my receiver is dead somehow
2021-09-02 23:44:23	bebop	rcf: the only thing I know is off is I need a package called 'w3m-img' which doesn't exist for arch
2021-09-02 23:44:38	bebop	but does for debian and that is what I needed for it to work
2021-09-02 23:44:49	rcf	If w3m works standalone it's probably fine. 
2021-09-02 23:45:03	rcf	Arch tends to prefer the bloated, featureful packaging approach.
2021-09-02 23:45:51	bebop	is there a way to tell if w3m-img is built into 'w3m' ?
2021-09-02 23:46:22	rcf	w3m -version shows the features 
2021-09-02 23:47:52	bebop	it shows image... that's what I don't get, it will display images doing 'w3m google.com' or any other web page. but not 'neofetch --w3m /path/to/pic
2021-09-02 23:48:23	shibboleth	w3m? lynx ftw :P
2021-09-02 23:48:35	rcf	bebop: I have always found it to be rather hit-or-miss. 
2021-09-02 23:49:15	bebop	rcf: odd because it works perfectly on a diff machine. I think the missing part is w3m-img
2021-09-02 23:49:46	⚡ 	rcf looks at neofetch source
2021-09-02 23:50:43	pulec	rcf: what do you use as xbindkeys alternative?
2021-09-02 23:52:04	pulec	aaaaaaaaaaaaa I just realized I gotta run steam-native instead of steam
2021-09-02 23:53:48	pulec	wohoooooo it works
2021-09-02 23:53:51	⚡ 	pulec jumps and down
2021-09-02 23:54:37	rcf	\o/
2021-09-02 23:54:44	rcf	pulec: I never used xbindkeys 
2021-09-02 23:54:53	rcf	I bind everything possible in the sway config and make liberal use of exeec 
2021-09-02 23:55:02	rcf	And before that in the i3 config 
2021-09-02 23:59:04	pulec	yeah I am reading wiki now
2021-09-02 23:59:08	pulec	binding in sway
2021-09-02 23:59:19	rcf	bebop: they're using w3mimgdisplay directly, bypassing w3m itself. 
2021-09-02 23:59:21	pulec	but meta+shift+r for reload does not seem to work now
2021-09-02 23:59:50	bebop	w3mimgdisplay doesn't exist
2021-09-02 23:59:56	pulec	sway reload then
2021-09-03 00:00:03	pulec	yay shit works
2021-09-03 00:00:05	pulec	now lets get drunk
2021-09-03 00:00:11	⚡ 	pulec switches to offtopic
2021-09-03 00:00:27	scumbag	lol
2021-09-03 00:06:38	rcf	bebop: it does, in /usr/lib/w3m/
2021-09-03 00:06:45	rcf	bebop: it lives there because you're not really supposed to use it yourself 
2021-09-03 00:25:25	horseface	does anybody know this g-discord-irc bot isn't working..?
2021-09-03 00:25:34	NetSysFire	!doesntwork
2021-09-03 00:25:35	phrik	What do you mean it doesn't work? If there's an error, *tell us*. If it's more than two lines, see !paste.
2021-09-03 00:25:44	horseface	https://ibb.co/ggBjfqY
2021-09-03 00:25:46	phrik	Title: Screenshot-from-2021-09-03-06-15-13 — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2021-09-03 00:25:55	horseface	what does that output suggest..?
2021-09-03 00:26:01	NetSysFire	oh great, an image of text
2021-09-03 00:26:06	horseface	0h
2021-09-03 00:26:27	horseface	i thought it was stupid too.
2021-09-03 00:27:58	horseface	i
2021-09-03 00:28:09	horseface	've just been a little slow today.
2021-09-03 00:28:13	catman	there was a slight delay before 
2021-09-03 00:28:27	catman	seems faster really
2021-09-03 00:28:29	horseface	huh?
2021-09-03 00:28:48	catman	i use my mouse to change buffers
2021-09-03 00:30:44	catman	sorry wrong buffer lol
2021-09-03 00:32:00	catman	my bad
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2021-09-03 00:57:53	Kayvlim	Alright, thanks Namarrgon. Where can I report this?
2021-09-03 00:58:29	Namarrgon	see if anyone is awake in -devops, otherwise file a bugreport
2021-09-03 01:00:47	Kayvlim	alright, posted on #archlinux-devops, thanks. I suppose a bug report would go to https://bugs.archlinux.org/ ?
2021-09-03 01:00:49	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Bugtracker:: Arch Linux: Tasklist (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2021-09-03 01:00:58	Namarrgon	Kayvlim: yeah
2021-09-03 01:01:03	Kayvlim	(this is the first time I'm installing Arch Linux, so please bear with me)
2021-09-03 01:01:06	Kayvlim	thank you
2021-09-03 01:05:59	rondel	Has anyone here had any success getting secure boot to work on grub, more specifically with preloader?
2021-09-03 01:07:44	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-03 02:29:40	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1304 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1302 normals)
2021-09-03 01:27:03	foryngilnith	I've got a really weird one - trying to a recover a system that crashed earlier today possibly ram issues; I can boot into the arch USB iso and mount the ext4 filesystem (fsck clean) but can't arch-chroot into it: I get failed to run /bin/bash permission denied
2021-09-03 01:27:18	foryngilnith	even if I create a new ext4 and rsync -a everything into it, still permission denied
2021-09-03 01:27:28	Kayvlim	foryngilnith: ls -l /bin/bash
2021-09-03 01:27:52	foryngilnith	ls -l looks good, as does stat on the file
2021-09-03 01:27:53	foryngilnith	Access: (0755/-rwxr-xr-x)  Uid: (    0/    root)   Gid: (    0/    root)
2021-09-03 01:28:17	foryngilnith	I've also md5'd the actual usr/bin/ls that is on the busted install and it's the exact same as a working system
2021-09-03 01:28:22	Kayvlim	and dmesg show anything suspicious?
2021-09-03 01:28:35	Kayvlim	btw it's $CHROOT_DIR/bin/bash
2021-09-03 01:28:50	foryngilnith	nope - no obvious output there
2021-09-03 01:28:53	NetSysFire	!dmesg
2021-09-03 01:28:54	phrik	Always check your journal when possible, not your dmesg. The journal includes the dmesg together with other helpful and possibly relevant logs. journalctl also has more options to search and filter messages.
2021-09-03 01:29:30	foryngilnith	journalctl inside this usb iso environment looks good too - no error messages when mounting the FS
2021-09-03 01:29:43	foryngilnith	so for example, the busted install is currently mounted in /mnt
2021-09-03 01:29:59	Namarrgon	pacman -Qkk -r /mnt
2021-09-03 01:30:10	foryngilnith	arch-chroot /mnt /bin/bash is when I get the permission denied
2021-09-03 01:30:56	foryngilnith	pacman -Qkk I get a lot of warnings about modification time mismatch; anything in particular I should be looking for?
2021-09-03 01:31:28	Namarrgon	bash and its dependencies
2021-09-03 01:33:33	foryngilnith	only modification time mismatch for usr/bin/bash
2021-09-03 01:33:49	foryngilnith	probably because this usb iso environment doesn't have time synced
2021-09-03 01:33:53	foryngilnith	or tz set
2021-09-03 01:34:02	Namarrgon	the current time doesn't matter
2021-09-03 01:34:08	Namarrgon	reinstall bash
2021-09-03 01:35:37	foryngilnith	pacman -S bash -r /mnt gives me: call to execv failed (Permission denied)
2021-09-03 01:35:53	foryngilnith	and the fs is definitely *not* mounted with noexec
2021-09-03 01:36:11	Namarrgon	what does 'findmnt /mnt' return?
2021-09-03 01:40:52	foryngilnith	returns /mnt   /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-root ext4   rw,relatime
2021-09-03 01:41:27	foryngilnith	really feels like there's something happening when trying to chroot that is running into a bad permission set or noexec bit file or something
2021-09-03 01:41:42	Namarrgon	post the "pacman --debug -S bash -r /mnt" output to a paste service
2021-09-03 01:41:44	foryngilnith	wish I could see what was going on inside the chroot call, and there's no strace in this iso
2021-09-03 01:41:52	Namarrgon	and the -Qkk output, too
2021-09-03 01:42:01	foryngilnith	will do - thanks
2021-09-03 01:43:19	foryngilnith	pacman --debug -S bash -r /mnt https://pastebin.com/X9jg5MsY
2021-09-03 01:43:20	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-v36.txt
2021-09-03 01:43:21	phrik	Title: debug: pacman v5.2.1 - libalpm v12.0.1debug: config: attempting to read file / - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-09-03 01:45:27	foryngilnith	pacman -Qkk -r /mnt : https://pastebin.com/KrgS158R
2021-09-03 01:45:28	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-v3U.txt
2021-09-03 01:45:29	phrik	Title: root@archiso / # pacman -Qkk -r /mntacl: 97 total files, 0 altered filesacpi - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-09-03 01:45:33	Namarrgon	it reinstalled bash just fine, only some of the hooks failed
2021-09-03 01:46:42	foryngilnith	still getting chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: Permission denied
2021-09-03 01:46:49	foryngilnith	from the arch-chroot /mnt command
2021-09-03 01:48:12	Kayvlim	fsck -n /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-root ?
2021-09-03 01:48:33	Namarrgon	ls -ld /mnt/usr/bin
2021-09-03 01:49:02	foryngilnith	fsck is clean, including when I also run it with -f
2021-09-03 01:49:05	Namarrgon	ls -l /mnt/usr/lib/ld-2.33.so
2021-09-03 01:49:33	foryngilnith	ld-2.33.so is -rw-rw-r-- 1 994 1002 221480 May 12 19:18 /mnt/usr/lib/ld-2.33.so
2021-09-03 01:49:40	foryngilnith	owned by a strange uid/gid
2021-09-03 01:50:24	foryngilnith	ls -ld /mnt/usr/bin is drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 69632 Sep  2 23:42 /mnt/usr/bin
2021-09-03 01:52:56	Namarrgon	ls -l /mnt/usr/lib/libcrypto.so.1.1
2021-09-03 01:52:59	Namarrgon	where did you install nagios from?
2021-09-03 01:55:16	foryngilnith	I think from aur
2021-09-03 01:55:32	Namarrgon	fix the ld-2.33.so permissions and ownership and try again
2021-09-03 01:55:52	foryngilnith	yeah libcrypto is a strange uid/gid too
2021-09-03 01:56:12	foryngilnith	for more context, this server crashed, bios reported failed ram and I replaced the dimms
2021-09-03 01:56:23	foryngilnith	(and ran memtest after replacing, which didn't find errors)
2021-09-03 01:56:29	foryngilnith	so fs corruption is possible
2021-09-03 01:56:43	foryngilnith	and might explain the uid/gid strangeness 
2021-09-03 01:56:48	Namarrgon	yeah, there's some evidence in the -Qkk output
2021-09-03 01:56:50	foryngilnith	but strange that there's no fsck errors
2021-09-03 01:57:55	foryngilnith	chown root:root both ld-2.33 and libcrypto done but it still won't let me arch-chroot
2021-09-03 01:58:27	Namarrgon	did you set ld back to 755?
2021-09-03 01:58:27	foryngilnith	getting close to the point that I might just spin up a fresh LV and do a fresh install, since most of my config files are backed up (and are still readable on this busted filesystem)
2021-09-03 01:58:47	foryngilnith	ahhhhh that did it - thanks
2021-09-03 01:58:57	foryngilnith	chmod 755 the ld.so and I can chroot now
2021-09-03 02:00:25	foryngilnith	sweet - so now I can chroot into it at least
2021-09-03 02:00:37	foryngilnith	question is how much do I trust it since fs corruption has happened :)
2021-09-03 02:01:07	foryngilnith	I guess I can copy it into a fresh btrfs maybe and then just have pacman try to reinstall everything
2021-09-03 02:05:38	foryngilnith	huge thanks, Namarrgon and all the others here who helped out too!
2021-09-03 02:07:33	foryngilnith	yikes - yeah looks like there is other damage here, gonna have to be a clean reinstall
2021-09-03 02:14:56	vindicator	Namarrgon, it was because I didn't have EFI Framebuffer set in my kernel that I didn't get any output other than initrd being loaded. It's going to keep being like that for me as I work through getting a minimal/functional kernel.
2021-09-03 02:15:34	vindicator	Surprisingly, while I started with tinyconfig, it was the x8664 defconfig that also exhibited that issue.
2021-09-03 02:29:43	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-03 03:02:06	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1301 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1299 normals)
2021-09-03 02:50:37	pulec	nah, it's in this
2021-09-03 02:50:42	pulec	!g steam Mini Motorways
2021-09-03 02:50:43	phrik	pulec: Mini Motorways on Steam <https://store.steampowered.com/app/1127500/Mini_Motorways/>
2021-09-03 02:51:07	pulec	the mouse can't click the buttons, and mouse accuracy is very important for this game
2021-09-03 02:51:17	pulec	I wonder what other games will be borked and if any will work better
2021-09-03 02:53:19	pulec	well heck it can still oben libreoffice and I can continue to sort my eurocrack modules parts
2021-09-03 03:02:09	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-03 03:37:29	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1299 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1297 normals)
2021-09-03 03:19:48	ParsnipChicken	The generated file appears to have a `GRUB-ENABLE-CRYPTODISK` option. Can I just uncomment that?
2021-09-03 03:20:13	ParsnipChicken	This is the guide I'm using for encryption by the way https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#Configuring_the_boot_loader
2021-09-03 03:20:13	sheep	that's different. That's for grub loading itself from an encrypted device
2021-09-03 03:20:15	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Encrypting an entire system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-03 03:20:37	sheep	even with that option you still need to set the command line thing
2021-09-03 03:21:15	ParsnipChicken	What do you mean by that? Sorry.
2021-09-03 03:21:47	sheep	if you set GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK then you must still set the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX
2021-09-03 03:22:04	sheep	GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK is only for when grub's files are on an encrypted filesystem
2021-09-03 03:22:34	ParsnipChicken	Ok, so like if I chose to encrypt /boot partition too?
2021-09-03 03:22:43	sheep	yes
2021-09-03 03:23:56	ParsnipChicken	So for what I am doing (only encrypted root), should I place the `CRYPTROOT=...` in the GRUB-CMDLINE-LINUX string?
2021-09-03 03:24:16	ParsnipChicken	Sorry, underscores, not dashes
2021-09-03 03:24:34	sheep	yes, with correct case
2021-09-03 03:24:47	sheep	and cryptdevice= not cryptroot=
2021-09-03 03:25:06	ParsnipChicken	Right, sorry copied the wrong part.
2021-09-03 03:25:19	ParsnipChicken	Should I put rw at the end or is that only for systemd-boot?
2021-09-03 03:25:32	sheep	rw applies for all bootloaders
2021-09-03 03:25:43	ParsnipChicken	What exactly does it do?
2021-09-03 03:26:05	sheep	it mounts the root filesystem initially as read/write
2021-09-03 03:26:46	ParsnipChicken	Ok, thanks. Sounds pretty important.
2021-09-03 03:27:58	ParsnipChicken	Ok, I shall edit the config, run 'grub-mkconfig' and reboot.
2021-09-03 03:28:11	ParsnipChicken	Thanks for clarifying all this for me!
2021-09-03 03:28:34	jackiee	is nvme in raid 0 worth it?
2021-09-03 03:29:33	jackiee	trying to mdadm for the first time ever
2021-09-03 03:29:42	jackiee	with sata rn
2021-09-03 03:30:35	ParsnipChicken	"/root" is like a home directory for the root user, correct?
2021-09-03 03:30:52	sheep	yes
2021-09-03 03:31:00	ParsnipChicken	Ok great
2021-09-03 03:31:45	jackiee	is there any way to build packages from snap repositories without actually having to use snap
2021-09-03 03:31:59	jackiee	nordpass specifically
2021-09-03 03:32:51	jackiee	its not in aur
2021-09-03 03:34:11	ParsnipChicken	Is the package for linux avaliable on the nordpass website?
2021-09-03 03:36:03	hank_hill	It is not, as far as I'm aware. I use NordPass as well and the website just tells you to install from Snapcraft
2021-09-03 03:37:31	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-03 05:00:44	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1292 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1290 normals)
2021-09-03 03:59:23	onosendi	ParsnipChicken: ctrl+alt+F2
2021-09-03 03:59:34	onosendi	ParsnipChicken: assuming your graphical environment isn't on TTY2.
2021-09-03 04:00:54	ParsnipChicken	onosendi: thanks so much. I broke my desktop environment :(
2021-09-03 04:01:45	onosendi	ParsnipChicken: ah, that sucks.
2021-09-03 04:02:34	ParsnipChicken	onosendi: on a side note, do you know if kde provides a way to edit the system settings from a tty? Specifically the display resolution
2021-09-03 04:04:01	thrice	is it in ~/.local/share/kscreen/* ?
2021-09-03 04:06:34	ParsnipChicken	looks like it
2021-09-03 04:16:12	ParsnipChicken	So I changed it to the resolution it had back when plasma was working, but I am still getting a black screen with a cursor after logging in.
2021-09-03 04:17:07	ParsnipChicken	All I did to break it was change the display resolution to 2560x1600
2021-09-03 04:17:17	thrice	if you move the file away (say, to your home directory), does it work?
2021-09-03 04:20:47	ParsnipChicken	thrice: Yes, it does! great idea!
2021-09-03 04:21:12	thrice	\o/
2021-09-03 04:42:26	ParsnipChicken	What is the irc channel for offtopic arch discussion?
2021-09-03 04:42:33	rcf	#archlinux-offtopic 
2021-09-03 04:42:53	ParsnipChicken	Thanks!
2021-09-03 04:46:44	lantech19446	what can I do when my password stops working for sudo other than change the password which i already tried
2021-09-03 04:49:09	scumbag	lantech19446: Login as root and look at how your sudo/pam stuff is configured.
2021-09-03 04:50:17	lantech19446	/etc/sudoers?
2021-09-03 04:50:55	scumbag	`man sudoers`
2021-09-03 04:51:32	lantech19446	and yet my password worked for sudo su
2021-09-03 04:51:42	scumbag	lantech19446: I would highly suggest writing a configuration for some other user, so that you can test it in a not-the-user-you-use-all-the-time case.
2021-09-03 04:51:55	scumbag	!give lantech19446 exact
2021-09-03 04:51:56	phrik	lantech19446: please tell us *exactly* what you typed, and the *exact* error
2021-09-03 04:52:28	scumbag	omit your password, of course
2021-09-03 04:52:34	scumbag	lol
2021-09-03 04:52:49	lantech19446	the first thing it happened in is an automated install script for PIA but then i tried sudo pacman -Syu to see if it worked and it comes back sorry, please try again all 3 times
2021-09-03 04:53:04	scumbag	!bail
2021-09-03 04:53:04	phrik	Looks like scumbag is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2021-09-03 04:56:28	daffy1234	I'm trying to send desktop audio through discord. I have jack and pulseaudio installed and bridged, and desktop audio is working just fine for me alone, but no apps are showing up under catia or qjackctl. The only inputs are system and pulseaudio jack sink, and the only outputs are (also)system and pulseaudio jack source. I still hear everything
2021-09-03 04:56:28	daffy1234	thats playing and pavucontrol shows the jack sink being used, and my microphone simply doesnt exist anymore as far as discord is concerned. Any ideas?
2021-09-03 04:57:43	daffy1234	I'm aiming for an equivalent setup to what i got on windows with virtualaudiocable, where I routed my desktop audio to discord and to my headphones, discord to only my headphones, and microphone to only discord, so we both can hear my game but only i can hear them and vice versa
2021-09-03 04:58:08	daffy1234	(i'm not dead set on jack/pulseaudio, if theres a better option i'm open to ideas)
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2021-09-03 05:34:28	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1288 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1286 normals)
2021-09-03 05:17:33	guavahabanero	Actually. May have just found something. Will report back if it works
2021-09-03 05:17:36	daffy1234	[czar]: thank you! ill look into that
2021-09-03 05:17:51	[czar]	guavahabanero: I don't get it Steam have it's own Proton
2021-09-03 05:34:31	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-03 06:58:47	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1296 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1294 normals)
2021-09-03 06:31:07	neff	Hello guys.I have a problen noobish one.Then i have updated my system the power shuts off,and now i can't boot,because system cant' see vmlinuz.I booted from live media,mounted my system by  - mount /mnt /sev/sdaX then chrooted into it arch-croot /mnt /bin/bash and then tried to update
2021-09-03 06:33:48	neff	And on cheking file conflicts i recive a bunch a something like /usr/lib/mod...blah-blah-blah exist in the system,really hundgreds of wose and then errors accured no packages  were upgradet
2021-09-03 06:34:10	neff	What i can do???I am really need to work i stuck with it
2021-09-03 06:34:29	grawity	the files got extracted, but pacman's filelist didn't get updated, and vmlinuz didn't get copied to /boot
2021-09-03 06:34:49	grawity	in this case reinstall the linux package with --overwrite="*"
2021-09-03 06:34:53	neff	How can i resolve it?
2021-09-03 06:35:02	neff	Ok i will try
2021-09-03 06:36:58	neff	did nothing - nothing to doo
2021-09-03 06:38:54	grawity	what command did nothing?
2021-09-03 06:39:32	neff	pacman -Syu --overwrite="linux-zen"
2021-09-03 06:39:41	neff	Write nothing to do
2021-09-03 06:39:53	grawity	that's nowhere close to what I asked to do though
2021-09-03 06:40:09	grawity	I said reinstall the linux package, not do a -Syu
2021-09-03 06:40:34	grawity	I mean you already have the latest package, it just wasn't fully installed, pacman just *thinks* you have it
2021-09-03 06:40:43	grawity	so -S linux --overwrite="*"
2021-09-03 06:41:09	neff	so answer is  - error no target specified
2021-09-03 06:41:58	neff	Wait....
2021-09-03 06:42:21	neff	May be you just saved me....
2021-09-03 06:44:40	neff	Oh man!!!!Thank you so much!!!!!!!You my hero,made my day!
2021-09-03 06:44:44	neff	Thank you!!!!!!!!
2021-09-03 06:46:06	neff	I can't belive it :D
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2021-09-03 07:22:18	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1291 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1289 normals)
2021-09-03 07:15:54	neff	Oh...they hungreds really...O_O
2021-09-03 07:16:03	neff	*hundreds
2021-09-03 07:16:11	grawity	(if it says "files already exist", should be safe to use --overwrite="*" like you did with linux earlier)
2021-09-03 07:16:22	neff	Ok i will try
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2021-09-03 18:17:27	AmR	Did AUR have for static Qt4 ?
2021-09-03 18:25:33	grazzolini	AmR: did the AUR loose it's search capabilities?
2021-09-03 18:27:24	Tom^	hrm just because of it maybe i should test hibernation/sleep. havent used either since the beginning of 1995 when my IT career began
2021-09-03 18:27:26	Tom^	lol
2021-09-03 18:27:28	Tom^	not once
2021-09-03 18:29:33	jamesp	I'm using Arch Linux with KDE Plasma, and my computer is connected to two speakers. They play audio just fine. When I connect my headphones, they sound like they've connected, but as soon as a start a video, the headphones disconnect and my speakers play the audio. I also couldn't use my microphone. Is this a PulseAudio issue?
2021-09-03 18:36:28	th0rne	"sound like they've connected"? "headphones disconnect"?
2021-09-03 18:36:40	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-03 18:37:00	jamesp	Got that.
2021-09-03 18:37:21	SysGhost	what type of conenction? regular 3.5mm jack, bluetooth? 
2021-09-03 18:37:30	jamesp	3.5mm
2021-09-03 18:37:50	SysGhost	laptop?
2021-09-03 18:38:05	jamesp	Desktop, with speaker ports at both front and back
2021-09-03 18:38:21	jamesp	It has two 3.5mm speakers connected to the back port
2021-09-03 18:38:37	SysGhost	aha. Motherboards own sounc or a dedicated sound card?
2021-09-03 18:38:42	SysGhost	sound*
2021-09-03 18:39:04	SysGhost	which brand is the sound chip?
2021-09-03 18:40:11	SysGhost	try this command: lspci | grep audio
2021-09-03 18:40:51	jamesp	Doing that outputs nothing.
2021-09-03 18:41:01	jamesp	By the way, my audio worked a few days ago.
2021-09-03 18:41:07	th0rne	I cannot recommend what h4rd3n3D is suggesting. By accident I ended up trying pipewire, but coming from an entirely functional pulse setup - pipewire certainly had more issues.
2021-09-03 18:42:05	th0rne	But in general I don't think that "switch to pipewire" is a good solution for "this one thing in pulse doesn't work for me".
2021-09-03 18:42:45	SysGhost	jamesp: try this one : aplay -l
2021-09-03 18:43:08	jamesp	It says command not found
2021-09-03 18:43:18	th0rne	pacman -F aplay
2021-09-03 18:43:36	SysGhost	alsa-utils
2021-09-03 18:43:45	th0rne	'pacman -F' is the solution to any "command not found".
2021-09-03 18:43:52	raster	I wouldn't advise pipewire either until it has settled and stood the test of time - it may work for you. it may not, but chances are it's had far less maturity, so unless you wish to actually debug and fix the issues... pulse is your better bet. if you have one issue with pulse then figuring out a solution to just that is probably better. For me pulse is flawless on all my machines (except one
2021-09-03 18:43:52	raster	set of BT headphones where 
2021-09-03 18:43:52	raster	it's a bit flakey but it may not be pulse's issue and more bluez...)
2021-09-03 18:44:30	th0rne	I have no issues with cheap bt devices on pulse, either.
2021-09-03 18:44:43	jamesp	Should I update all packages first?
2021-09-03 18:44:50	th0rne	But what if he installs pipewire and then has some issue with that?
2021-09-03 18:45:48	Tom^	hrm is hibernation supposed to uh drop me back to bios/post then show bootloader and then load up my session?
2021-09-03 18:46:09	dotz0cat[m]	You see pkgbuilds will always work when you fix the checksums yourself. Way too much work just to get a copy of a crappy ms font
2021-09-03 18:46:19	Tom^	i guess sleep is where it just enters deep sleep and "boots" as is again?
2021-09-03 18:46:40	raster	i've had them have horrible cutting in and out or just not like connecting and having to retry multiple time. but again - might be luck of the draw with the bt chipset in the buds
2021-09-03 18:48:04	raster	Tom^: it boots but the kernel loads a memory-image of what was in memory in terms of processes etc. and then executes that where it left off
2021-09-03 18:48:17	raster	that image is stored on disk (eg in swap)
2021-09-03 18:48:19	Tom^	raster: right, ok then it worked as intended
2021-09-03 18:48:27	Tom^	wopdedo :p
2021-09-03 18:48:33	SysGhost	jamesp: update and reboot is a nice first step to a problem. often it's just about a kernel update where one didn't reboot
2021-09-03 18:48:35	mpan	dotz0cat[m]: if you are using a PKGBUILD only once and the hashes do not match, but you have no source to provide them to you, you may simply skip integrity checks. For that particular purpose they offer no advantage.
2021-09-03 18:48:53	th0rne	h4rd3n3D❱ So your first advised solution is "use a different software" and your second advised solution is "google it". Why even answer people on this channel, then?
2021-09-03 18:48:53	raster	the bonus of hibernate is that you use zero power while hibernated unlike suspend which needs power to keep ram refreshed (for example)
2021-09-03 18:49:22	Tom^	yeah
2021-09-03 18:49:36	Tom^	gonna use it more frequently then, see if or when it borks. 
2021-09-03 18:50:57	raster	it is slower to resume though as you do need that bios boot cycle bit and have to load stuff from disk... but depends on your hw there . i think there might be a special fast biso mode for hibernate resume that avoids a bunch of checks... but i'm not 100% sure on if that's separate from normal bios fast-boot modes
2021-09-03 18:51:14	mpan	dotz0cat[m]: if you recalculate them to be used once and only once, there is nothing to compare them against. So at this point `--skipchecksums` is a sane choice. Not true if you are willing to use the PKGBUILD later, publish it etc.
2021-09-03 18:51:26	raster	i tend to just use suspend to ram and otherwise shut down and full reboot as a full reboot is like 2-3 seconds post-bios anyway
2021-09-03 18:52:28	dotz0cat[m]	Well I had no idea the —skipchecksums exsited
2021-09-03 18:52:55	Tom^	raster: well doesnt hibernate atleast save the session somewhat, i tried it from the tty but Xorg and all its open applications?
2021-09-03 18:53:06	Tom^	raster: i dont mind the slightly larger boot time if it does that
2021-09-03 18:53:40	raster	Tom^:  it saves everything in memory - so yes - all apps etc. - they are memory content :)
2021-09-03 18:53:54	raster	i just find it fast enough to loaunch 2 or 3 thigns
2021-09-03 18:53:59	Tom^	raster: good. meaning less hassle restoring the session when its bedtime. :p
2021-09-03 18:53:59	raster	its like 1 second :)
2021-09-03 18:54:18	Tom^	raster: well enough terminals and vim open it becomes a hassle :D
2021-09-03 18:54:31	raster	i generally dont want all that session stuff around if i reboot anyway :)
2021-09-03 18:55:44	mpan	dotz0cat[m]: just don’t confuse it with `--skipinteg` or `--skippgpcheck`, which you should normally not skip. `--skipchecksums` merely ignores checksums that protected against random errors and those will change from version to version. `--skippgpchceck` and `--skipinteg` will skip digital signatures. Which affects security, while under normal circumstances those should not fail.
2021-09-03 18:57:39	mpan	dotz0cat[m]: but note I have clearly added a condition there for `--skipchecksum`: you build that PKGBUILD once and have no other source of obtaining the checksums. It’s not like `--skipchecksums` should be your daily routine. :)
2021-09-03 18:57:50	n00b101	I have arch and windows dualboot. I just booted my windows and I saw HP software assistant showed Blutooth driver, WLAN driver, Synaptic trackpad driver updates. I have installed all 3. Is these drivers installed systemwide regardless of OS? I mean, will this driver update also applied on Linux when I use it? I.e are these drivers common to Linux, Windows
2021-09-03 19:01:29	Mysterytrain	nope, that's a windows program
2021-09-03 19:01:41	jamesp	It was plugged into the wrong port. *facepalm*
2021-09-03 19:01:49	jamesp	Issue solved.
2021-09-03 19:02:20	raster	bwhahaha
2021-09-03 19:02:21	raster	:)
2021-09-03 19:02:23	Mysterytrain	lol
2021-09-03 19:02:27	Mysterytrain	we all do it
2021-09-03 19:02:37	raster	i know
2021-09-03 19:02:42	raster	pebkac :)
2021-09-03 19:03:12	raster	just amusing then to think that "the solution to being an idiot is to try pipewire instead of pulse" :)
2021-09-03 19:03:23	raster	we all are idiots at times ... it happens
2021-09-03 19:03:32	Mysterytrain	heh
2021-09-03 19:03:55	Tom^	pipewire almost blew my speakers and headphones when i tried it a few days ago, ran some kind of static noise at something sounding like 300% volume
2021-09-03 19:04:03	Tom^	dropped it rather fast lol
2021-09-03 19:04:12	raster	eventually it'll mature
2021-09-03 19:04:14	raster	it needs time.
2021-09-03 19:05:01	Tom^	well it feels like wayland situation. what exactly is it fixing? until its on par on features with pulseaudio and doesnt bug out more i see no reason to switch
2021-09-03 19:05:17	raster	kind of
2021-09-03 19:05:29	raster	tho i think wl fixes more than pipewire does already
2021-09-03 19:05:42	raster	but hey ... :)
2021-09-03 19:05:44	lod	it's already better for many people.. but yeah, if you're happy with pulse, no reason to switch
2021-09-03 19:18:14	bebop	I'm having an issue where only wifi shows up and not wired internet
2021-09-03 19:18:20	n00b101	So therefore, manufacturers only release driver updates via windows? In my case Hp
2021-09-03 19:19:19	bebop	networkctl only shows 1. lo 2. wlan0
2021-09-03 19:20:08	Tom^	bebop: pastebin lspci
2021-09-03 19:20:29	bebop	Tom^: I know what the card is. 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL810xE PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 07)
2021-09-03 19:21:19	bebop	lspci -v shows it there
2021-09-03 19:22:34	Donatzsky	n00b101: Windows drivers don't work with Linux. Just like Linux drivers don't work with Windows. Drivers are specific to the OS, and are installed into the OS
2021-09-03 19:23:52	n00b101	Okay
2021-09-03 19:23:59	n00b101	Thanks for answering that
2021-09-03 19:24:28	Donatzsky	n00b101: Except for some low-level BIOS/UEFI stuff, different operating systems on the same machine don't share anything
2021-09-03 19:25:25	bebop	Kernel modules: r8169
2021-09-03 19:25:54	bebop	I think the only driver for it is in the aur
2021-09-03 19:26:04	bebop	r8101-dkms
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2021-09-03 19:29:19	baltazar	hi! can anyone recommend a good music player that shows the peaks in the audio in advance?
2021-09-03 19:29:21	bebop	it is iwlwifi
2021-09-03 19:29:35	bebop	driver and module: iwlwifi
2021-09-03 19:29:35	Tom^	bebop: yeah seems you need r8101-dkms from aur for that card
2021-09-03 19:29:57	Tom^	or well maybe hrm
2021-09-03 19:30:02	Tom^	google is conflicting :p
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2021-09-03 19:30:20	bebop	I don't have the r8169
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2021-09-03 19:30:35	bebop	r8101
2021-09-03 19:30:38	bebop	brb
2021-09-03 19:30:39	Tom^	h4rd3n3D: what has your driver todo with anything. do you have the same card?
2021-09-03 19:30:51	bebop	Tom^: no he doesn't
2021-09-03 19:30:57	bebop	brb just installed the dkms 
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2021-09-03 19:33:42	bebop	Tom^: those drivers worked
2021-09-03 19:33:43	bebop	:)
2021-09-03 19:33:49	Tom^	yeah youre welcome.
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2021-09-03 19:34:46	bebop	finally ran a physical line to this pc which is my main one. Just moved to this house and I have 1gig fiber so I figured I better get it hooked up since I've been here 30 days.
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2021-09-03 19:35:23	bebop	I'm getting poor connection via this line though
2021-09-03 19:36:21	bebop	Kernel driver in use: r8101 <--- very slow
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2021-09-03 19:40:19	bebop	cat6 from router to this machine
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2021-09-03 19:44:22	dD__	No matter what network I'm connected to, my laptop has a default 10.0.0.1 network with ports 179, 830, and 6068 open.   My default network is 192.168.15.0/24, how could I figure out what they are? 
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2021-09-03 19:46:16	bebop	Tom^: kernel driver in use: r8101    kernel modules: r8169,r8101
2021-09-03 19:46:25	bebop	h4rd3n3D: I do it for a living
2021-09-03 19:46:30	bebop	24 feet
2021-09-03 19:47:38	bebop	why would there be two modules loaded for it but the driver it is using is r8101
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2021-09-03 19:49:46	grawity	dD__: where do you see this default network?
2021-09-03 19:50:14	grawity	one host is also not a network
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2021-09-03 19:51:27	dD__	sorry, for the first one it is not a default network, it is a network I can ping.  I don't see it anywhere unless I ping it (10.0.0.1).  My default network is the one I see on ip a 
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2021-09-03 19:52:22	grawity	ip route show match 10.0.0.1
2021-09-03 19:52:26	grawity	ip route get 10.0.0.1
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2021-09-03 19:53:24	dD__	grawity: hmm...  it's via 192.168.15.1 
2021-09-03 19:54:39	dD__	if i change network, to a hotspot, same thing happens: it'll be via 192.168.43.1 (which is my cell phone network)
2021-09-03 19:54:45	dD__	hotsspot}
2021-09-03 19:54:47	dD__	*
2021-09-03 19:55:17	Tom^	bebop: well for some reason both r8169 and r8101 seems "compatible" for your card. but obviously r8169 didnt work unless there is some quirks i guess.
2021-09-03 19:55:39	Tom^	bebop: google aint turning up much and cant exactly test things myself, dont own that card nor use that driver but
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2021-09-03 19:55:47	grawity	sounds normal then
2021-09-03 19:56:00	bebop	[joe@mars ~]$cat /sys/class/net/enp1s0/speed 
2021-09-03 19:56:02	bebop	100
2021-09-03 19:56:02	grawity	where does traceroute lead?
2021-09-03 19:56:28	grawity	is your WiFi and your hotspot actually somehow the same network in both cases?
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2021-09-03 19:56:43	bebop	Tom^: which it doesn't go over 100Mbps so is there a way to change the speed?
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2021-09-03 19:57:35	grawity	no
2021-09-03 19:57:38	bebop	duplex is 'full' but speed is '100'
2021-09-03 19:57:46	teraflops	first try it with another network cable, second try to force it
2021-09-03 19:57:50	grawity	remember how it's called a "Fast Ethernet controller" in lspc
2021-09-03 19:58:00	bebop	teraflops: talking to me?
2021-09-03 19:58:04	grawity	"Fast Ethernet" specifically means 100 Mbps
2021-09-03 19:58:10	teraflops	assuming your network card and your router are gibit
2021-09-03 19:58:21	teraflops	bebop: yeah
2021-09-03 19:58:23	teraflops	gbit
2021-09-03 19:58:29	grawity	if it's called that, it only does 10/100 Mbps, otherwise it'd be called "Gigabit Ethernet controller"
2021-09-03 19:58:35	bebop	it isn't allowing me over "100Mbps"
2021-09-03 19:58:46	Tom^	yeah true, is that card even a gigabit one
2021-09-03 19:58:53	Tom^	seems old as hell :p
2021-09-03 19:58:53	bebop	hah yeah
2021-09-03 19:58:56	grawity	because you have an 100Mbps port lol
2021-09-03 19:59:04	bebop	negative
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2021-09-03 20:01:49	bebop	it is gbit
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2021-09-03 20:02:02	raster	poor cabling? the hub/switch it's plugged into is only 100mbit?
2021-09-03 20:02:12	teraflops	consider a gbit router that only ships 100mb ethernet ports
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2021-09-03 20:02:41	grawity	how do you know it is gbit
2021-09-03 20:03:17	bebop	because I get about 425Mbps on debian
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2021-09-03 20:03:26	bebop	I'm thinking it is the aur driver
2021-09-03 20:03:39	Tom^	wait wut, what driver does debian use on that card?
2021-09-03 20:03:54	bebop	I'd have to reboot and look
2021-09-03 20:04:02	bebop	I want to say the same one that is loaded now
2021-09-03 20:04:27	Tom^	or r8169 and you simply hit a regression/bug
2021-09-03 20:04:28	teraflops	I read you did see 2 modules in use for the ethernet card, if you are sure which module is the right one try blaclisting the othr one to see if that hekps
2021-09-03 20:04:55	Tom^	teraflops: yeah well r8169 didnt work at all, enp2s0 etc not showing at all.
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2021-09-03 20:05:42	bebop	Tom^: oddly that module is also loaded along side the r8101
2021-09-03 20:05:59	Tom^	bebop: nah its only being listed as a uh compatible one
2021-09-03 20:06:07	bebop	hmm
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2021-09-03 20:06:20	Tom^	bebop: in use: , modules: 
2021-09-03 20:06:42	Tom^	bebop: boot debian and check
2021-09-03 20:06:52	Tom^	might be some r8169 regression tbh
2021-09-03 20:07:30	bebop	maybe I should try the r8169 driver
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2021-09-03 20:09:03	teraflops	silly realtek
2021-09-03 20:09:39	bebop	garbage
2021-09-03 20:09:42	bebop	lol
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2021-09-03 20:11:08	teraflops	you should blacklist the module you do not want to use anyways, to avoid problems
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2021-09-03 20:12:01	teraflops	because it may happen that you are loading both modules, the one on the kernel and the one you build
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2021-09-03 20:17:54	WhyNotHugo	If chroot were SUID, how could that be used for privilege escalation?
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2021-09-03 20:19:03	dD__	grawity: thanks, turns out that my cell phone creates a hotspot between a new network and a wifi network, I didn't think that was possible, I thought you couldnt be connected to a wifi network if you're using the hotspot eature. 
2021-09-03 20:19:05	Namarrgon	"chroot /"
2021-09-03 20:19:06	dD__	feature* 
2021-09-03 20:19:10	dD__	that did it 
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2021-09-03 20:20:17	n00b101	I just updated BIOS and now dualboot is gone. Directly booting windows 😶
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2021-09-03 20:21:04	teraflops	boot arch iso and reinstall bootlader?
2021-09-03 20:21:26	Tom^	n00b101: usually you can just F12 or similiar to enter boot choices and choosing the right disk boots your efi bootloader.
2021-09-03 20:21:30	dD__	n00b101: did it remove the boot order or perhaps readd secureboot?
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2021-09-03 20:21:59	Tom^	or what dD__ said. might have turned on secureboot again
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2021-09-03 20:22:27	n00b101	Fk windows
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2021-09-03 20:22:33	Betal	can I safely remove a directory if pacman -Qo return no package owns it?
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2021-09-03 20:23:08	Tom^	flyingpig: there?
2021-09-03 20:23:12	mpan	Betal: from pacman’s perspective: yes. In general: that depends on what that directory is, what uses it, if it is needed and for what.
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2021-09-03 20:23:33	mpan	Betal: there is no general answer for that question. The directory may or may not be needed.
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2021-09-03 20:23:48	flyingpig	Tom^: hi
2021-09-03 20:24:07	Betal	mpan: it is /opt/android-sdk , somehow android-studio was failing to start saying need to reinstall from scratch, and almost sure I have done that https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Android#Making_/opt/android-sdk_group-writeable
2021-09-03 20:24:08	phrik	Title: Android - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-09-03 20:24:57	Tom^	flyingpig: hi! uhm i thought i better ask you before. so i spent better part of yesterday debugging a issue with https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PRIME#PRIME_render_offload apparently i need to mark nvidia as inactive like this http://ix.io/3xR4 does this go into that uh colum or some other troubleshooting thing?
2021-09-03 20:24:59	phrik	Title: PRIME - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-03 20:25:22	teraflops	Betal: maybe you installed android studio and then you clicked a menu saying: download whatever
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2021-09-03 20:25:33	Tom^	flyingpig: wine and some gl applications, runs into X errors BadAlloc etc without it. some kind of race to finish
2021-09-03 20:25:37	n00b101	Tom^: secure boot is disabled
2021-09-03 20:25:58	Tom^	flyingpig: xrandr --listproviders didnt show nvidia gpu either until i did that too
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2021-09-03 20:26:16	Betal	teraflops: probably yes
2021-09-03 20:26:33	Betal	teraflops: self destroy button
2021-09-03 20:26:37	teraflops	xD
2021-09-03 20:26:49	n00b101	Yay! But I can get my grub by manually loading efi file by pressing f9 and selecting the grub efi file
2021-09-03 20:26:59	n00b101	Can I make it show when power on?
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2021-09-03 20:28:25	nfd	Hey, looking for an educated rubber duck/quick check: i'm trying to get suspend-to-disk working on this laptop, lvm over luks, and i'm clearly not loading from suspended-anything when i try to boot
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2021-09-03 20:29:28	Donatzsky	n00b101: Perhaps your BIOS has an option to set the default bootloader
2021-09-03 20:30:07	Donatzsky	If not, simply reintall grub using the Arch intaller
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2021-09-03 20:31:22	nfd	i've tried adding `resume` to my kernel params, trying both /dev/cvg/swap and /dev/mapper/cvg-swap (for the lvm group named cvg, obviously). `systemctl hibernate` shuts everything off cleanly, then booting again and entering my fde key just yields a normal sign-in
2021-09-03 20:32:09	nfd	moreover, after these boots, /sys/power/resume is 0:0, which is definitely not the device numbers my swap image gets
2021-09-03 20:32:59	nfd	(i've confirmed with procfs that i did indeeed boot with those changed kernel args)
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2021-09-03 20:34:08	flyingpig	Tom^: Disclaimer: I don't use PRIME, but it seems to me that <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PRIME#XRandR_specifies_only_1_output_provider> is meant to cover the "xrandr --listproviders" thing you mentioned.
2021-09-03 20:34:09	phrik	Title: PRIME - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-09-03 20:34:28	shoober420	hi frens
2021-09-03 20:35:35	n00b101	Donatzsky: grub is already there as I mentioned. I think efibootmgr can do the work
2021-09-03 20:35:52	Tom^	flyingpig: ah hrm need to find someone else if its actually required or just for my devices, otherwise i would assume its better to have a configure xorg.conf section under that to not lure people into broken setups to THEN troubleshoot it :p
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2021-09-03 20:37:43	shoober420	does anyone here compile the kernel against gcc 12 git master
2021-09-03 20:37:52	Tom^	flyingpig: il hunt for someone else with a laptop with a nvidia gpu and using prime then :p
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2021-09-03 20:39:30	mpan	Betal: sorry, I was andwering on the forum. If the question is still valid: if seems safe for removal, as it’s a relic of another package which was likely to pollute a system-wide directory.
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2021-09-03 20:41:09	Tom^	predicament: did you run a laptop with nvidia dgpu and nvidia driver prime?
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2021-09-03 20:46:08	Betal	mpan: thanks, even removing and reinstalling = still the problem, in the end, the problem was "disabled_plugins.txt" in ~/.config/Google/AndroidStudio2020.3/ , somehow "org.jetbrains.android" was blacklisted there and it failed to start
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2021-09-03 21:10:24	@jelle	does pipewire support bluetooth battery power indicators?
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2021-09-03 21:12:18	mpan	jelle: you look scary with a breadroll on your head. :o
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2021-09-03 21:12:46	Tom^	bah he is just showing off
2021-09-03 21:13:17	Tom^	jelle: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/issues/382 hm
2021-09-03 21:13:20	phrik	Title: Report battery status (#382) · Issues · PipeWire / pipewire · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2021-09-03 21:14:13	Tom^	jelle: at the bottom, some config changes you might
2021-09-03 21:14:18	@jelle	danke danke
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2021-09-03 21:14:28	@jelle	#archlinux-google-answers
2021-09-03 21:14:33	Tom^	yuhs!
2021-09-03 21:14:35	Tom^	:D
2021-09-03 21:14:41	Tom^	its good, lets me procrastinate
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2021-09-03 21:18:45	trev	just watched a french tv show where a homeless alcoholic hacker was using Arch
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2021-09-03 21:19:05	vtx	@trev what is the show called?
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2021-09-03 21:19:07	trev	of course i got excited and my wife didn't understand
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2021-09-03 21:19:19	trev	vtx Inhuman Resources
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2021-09-03 21:19:33	vtx	cool, will check it out just for that scene! :)
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2021-09-03 21:20:49	trev	:D
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2021-09-03 21:30:52	dagle	Why is the package texlive-bin and not just texlive?
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2021-09-03 21:31:33	Betal	package with binaries / compiled stuff
2021-09-03 21:31:46	dagle	Like the rest of the packages?
2021-09-03 21:32:20	nfd	there are lots of other texlive packages, all with different descriptive names
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2021-09-03 21:33:42	nfd	if you think "i want like a normalish texlive install with most of the stuff that most English-speaking users will need," you want texlive-most
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2021-09-03 21:34:29	dagle	Sure but why use the name bin?
2021-09-03 21:35:49	Betal	oh, not sure if it is related with aur -bin packages
2021-09-03 21:36:32	dagle	It's not an aur package.
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2021-09-03 21:36:45	nfd	seems because it has unusual packaging and an unusual upstream
2021-09-03 21:37:27	Betal	dagle: yea, but what I said about -bin is the general idea when you get upstream binaries and don't compile in the makepkg step
2021-09-03 21:38:07	ectospasm	Some source packages have INSANE build requirements.  I'm looking at you, mongodb.
2021-09-03 21:38:34	nfd	http://tug.org/texlive/doc/texlive-en/texlive-en.html#installation for an idea of how a manual official install of texlive works
2021-09-03 21:38:36	phrik	Title: The TeX Live Guide—2021 (at tug.org)
2021-09-03 21:39:09	nfd	texlive-core pulls in the medium scheme described there
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2021-09-03 21:40:27	nfd	and the binary package ought to be separated from that in case you wanted a *different* scheme for some reason, and naming that binary package "texlive" would be misleading because users would just see "oh, a texlive package, i can install that and be good to go!" and miss fully most of the texlive environment
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2021-09-03 21:40:37	nfd	they might barely be able to build documents with that alone
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2021-09-03 21:43:45	H3dn1ng	 /EXIT 
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2021-09-03 21:46:29	Dotz0cat_	Is there an easy way to install steam or just get access to proton?
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2021-09-03 21:46:45	thingfish	sure
2021-09-03 21:47:37	thingfish	you'll need to enable multilib in /etc/pacman.conf
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2021-09-03 21:48:55	thingfish	then just pacman -S steam.  And I'm not sure what AMD users do, but with Nvidia cards you also do pacman -S lib32-nvidia-utils.
2021-09-03 21:49:16	thingfish	ez pz
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2021-09-03 21:52:06	cq-work	AMD users generally use the open-source driver from mesa now adays afaik, so nothing with amdgpu or pro
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2021-09-03 21:52:13	thingfish	ah
2021-09-03 21:54:02	Dotz0cat_	I dont think I need any fancy driver. I just got intel stuff
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2021-09-03 21:56:28	Ingar	it's on the wiki
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2021-09-03 22:00:39	@jelle	Tom^: and it fucking works!
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2021-09-03 22:06:27	Dotz0cat__	Well I got it installed but It is not showing anything but a black screen
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2021-09-03 22:06:52	Namarrgon	switch to the beta branch in the settings
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2021-09-03 22:10:08	Betal	Namarrgon: do you know if switching to beta branch also affect steam-native?
2021-09-03 22:10:35	Namarrgon	the native runtime was unaffected by the freetype issue
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2021-09-03 22:13:18	Dotz0cat_	I did install a fresh copy of freetype
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2021-09-03 22:15:24	Namarrgon	that's exactly the problem
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2021-09-04 05:49:48	Betal	how I can idenfity why browser can't resolve dns? sudently it stopped working, ping works with ip and name
2021-09-04 05:59:02	NetSysFire	your browser may or may not use dns over https
2021-09-04 05:59:22	Betal	testing firefox in troubleshoot mode ^
2021-09-04 05:59:44	Betal	in settings, dns over https is disabled
2021-09-04 06:24:02	ponies	shoundlt you be setting up systemd-resovled? Betal 
2021-09-04 06:24:27	Betal	NetSysFire: looks this fixed my problem https://github.com/netblue30/firejail/commit/61925856380ce75ab85386aff58ecb3b0b080d92 , funny that I have seen the broken commit but didn't restarted firefox after firejail update to test it
2021-09-04 06:24:44	NetSysFire	huh, interesting
2021-09-04 06:24:53	ponies	exactly! betal stub mode propagates dns 
2021-09-04 06:25:29	ponies	and wiki recommends making another symlink in /mnt so chroot can access dns too
2021-09-04 06:28:20	Betal	after I restarted every possible service, firewalld, even the PC, and still not working, I noticed something was going on, then checked all package updates and there was firejail, then running firefox without firejail dns worked, gone check firejail commits and they fixed :), so I had lucky to update in the exactly ~17hours interval where we have this problem, my bad that I didn't tested firefox
2021-09-04 06:28:22	Betal	after see the wrc commit
2021-09-04 06:32:25	ponies	i had a mind blowing error the other day. how about ./some.bin > file not found.. but the file was there 
2021-09-04 06:33:04	nfd	ooh, fun
2021-09-04 06:33:07	ponies	file not found was actually a red herring. it was just a dodgy compilation 
2021-09-04 06:33:21	nfd	weird
2021-09-04 08:27:17	pystardust	wifi network device not found sometimes after reboot (ip link). I would need to reboot to get back wifi device(wlp4s0). It doesn't happen all the time but occasionally. What maybe causing this and where can I learn more reagarding this?
2021-09-04 08:36:47	CyberShadow	Have there been packaging changes in the rootfs tarballs this month? New pkglist.x86_64.txt file? https://github.com/CyberShadow/aconfmgr/runs/3512146770?check_suite_focus=true#step:4:3796
2021-09-04 08:37:58	CyberShadow	Are they now built in a way closer to how the ISO is built maybe?
2021-09-04 09:17:40	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-04 09:45:12	n00b101	After bios update, grub is broken. So I'm fixing it now. Let me repeat the steps.
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2021-09-04 09:45:44	n00b101	1- boot live usb 2-sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt
2021-09-04 09:46:01	n00b101	Now cd to mnt and do grub install?
2021-09-04 09:46:14	n00b101	grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=efi --bootloader-id=GRUB
2021-09-04 09:46:27	n00b101	My EFI is in /efi/EFI
2021-09-04 09:46:36	n00b101	That's it?
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2021-09-04 11:19:10	nobodies	if i've just installed arch with just the defaults so far, would it be normal that my screen breaks with 2 monitors plugged in, if i turn one off, i can get to the console
2021-09-04 11:19:34	Namarrgon	it's a feature
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2021-09-04 11:20:13	Namarrgon	which gpu is that?
2021-09-04 11:20:27	enoq	did the freetype update also kinda break libre office?
2021-09-04 11:20:48	Namarrgon	not for me. how is it broken?
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2021-09-04 11:20:55	grawity	I saw a patch being added to the LO packages for that
2021-09-04 11:20:59	nobodies	nvidia, I was planning on installing the nvidia proprietary drivers anyway, think that will fix it?
2021-09-04 11:21:02	enoq	Namarrgon: wasn't possible to open writer for instance
2021-09-04 11:21:10	enoq	perfect
2021-09-04 11:21:26	Namarrgon	-fresh?
2021-09-04 11:21:31	enoq	yes
2021-09-04 11:21:38	Namarrgon	then -Syu until you get pkgrel -2
2021-09-04 11:21:43	enoq	how can fonts break things? aren't these just pure data and not code?
2021-09-04 11:21:55	grawity	there's a lot of code involved in *rendering* those fonts to screen
2021-09-04 11:21:59	grawity	and freetype2 is in fact that code
2021-09-04 11:22:03	grawity	it's not a font
2021-09-04 11:22:07	Namarrgon	freetype isn't a font
2021-09-04 11:22:15	Namarrgon	!slow
2021-09-04 11:22:15	phrik	You're way too slow
2021-09-04 11:22:35	grawity	(...as a side note, TTF fonts actually contain code -- hinting in TTF is done through special bytecode rather than declaratively)
2021-09-04 11:22:36	Namarrgon	nobodies: which gpu is that? if it's anything "modern" then your only choice is the blob
2021-09-04 11:23:08	grawity	but yeah freetype2 is literally a library that programs call when they want to draw some text
2021-09-04 11:23:45	enoq	ah I see, thanks :)
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2021-09-04 11:24:14	grawity	(don't confuse with "GNU freefont" which is a font)
2021-09-04 11:25:05	AFGXF	my gpu is GeForce MX250, which driver should i install?
2021-09-04 11:25:55	AFGXF	it seems nouveau works not so good ...
2021-09-04 11:25:58	enoq	wow  that's old
2021-09-04 11:26:40	enoq	AFGXF: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#Unsupported_drivers
2021-09-04 11:26:41	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-04 11:27:16	enoq	can't remember though what kind of generation the MX ones were
2021-09-04 11:28:02	enoq	I think these were the trap options when geforce 3/4 were out right?
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2021-09-04 11:29:39	nobodies	Namarrgon, yea its a 2080 super
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2021-09-04 11:33:17	enoq	AMD is pretty great these days
2021-09-04 11:33:23	AFGXF	maybe,but it's the best when i bought it in 2019. :D
2021-09-04 11:33:27	enoq	can't buy any of their cards though
2021-09-04 11:34:27	teraflops	I'm quite happy with my RTX as well
2021-09-04 11:34:29	AFGXF	i see. my gpu is not supported by nouveau. XD
2021-09-04 11:34:55	enoq	if you aren't dependant on CUDA it's probably the superior choice if you use Linux at all
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2021-09-04 11:37:04	MrElendig	enoq: amd gfx cards are mheeeee and overpriced
2021-09-04 11:37:22	MrElendig	enoq: and apparently buyers agree because they keep losing market share
2021-09-04 11:37:24	enoq	yeah, right now unfortunately
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2021-09-04 11:37:36	enoq	price and availability are an issue
2021-09-04 11:37:49	enoq	more than actual features/performance
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2021-09-04 11:38:05	MrElendig	nha, even without the availability and at msrp, half their cards are DOA
2021-09-04 11:38:08	AFGXF	but i can see my gpu in nvidia settings (i use nvidia-lts with linux-lts)
2021-09-04 11:38:24	MrElendig	eg the new 6600xt is just a sad joke of a card at the msrp
2021-09-04 11:38:40	enoq	yeah, more talking about the 6800 and 6800xt
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2021-09-04 11:39:03	MrElendig	lack of dlss/usable rt does hurt those
2021-09-04 11:39:17	MrElendig	lack of working video encoders
2021-09-04 11:39:35	MrElendig	nothing like the nvidia videoconference/streaming features etc
2021-09-04 11:39:40	enoq	yeah, my requirements right now is just running anything AAA on 4k and not low :D
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2021-09-04 11:40:17	enoq	6800xt is the first card in 6 years that actually makes me want to upgrade
2021-09-04 11:43:02	enoq	currently playing Wrath of the Righteous btw that plays and looks fantastic on low as well 
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2021-09-04 11:43:28	Namarrgon	nobodies: then switch to the blob
2021-09-04 11:43:56	nobodies	Namarrgon, just did, works now with both monitors :) ty
2021-09-04 11:45:15	enoq	I think they are even making progress on the wayland front
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2021-09-04 13:28:21	bernd	Hi, the linux pkg in testing repo should be 5.14.1.arch1-1, although when doing a -Syyu on a live system (testing repo enabled) the latest version I get is 5.13.13.
2021-09-04 13:29:17	ds-ac	It must depend on the repositories you are currently using on both systems. Some might not be updated.
2021-09-04 13:30:16	ds-ac	You can compare their /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist files to know if it is a plausible explanation
2021-09-04 13:31:19	bernd	Oh damn, I didn't think about that. Thank you very much! I'm going to check that right now...
2021-09-04 13:37:57	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-04 13:39:30	bernd	Thanks @ds-ac for pointing out. Choosing an up to date mirror did the trick! Thank you very much.
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2021-09-04 13:53:11	n00b101	I had a problem with grub that it was showing lockdown. I booted via live usb and reinstalled grub. But I did not generate a new grub cfg since partitions haven't changed. If I create new one, old dualboot will be gone. 
2021-09-04 13:53:46	n00b101	Currently, I'm getting minimal bash, so I manually choose hd0,gptX and insmod to show grub
2021-09-04 13:54:49	n00b101	I think this can be fixed by generating new grub cfg? But what about old cfg already in place? Why it's refusing to show grub even tho there's a grub cfg?
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2021-09-04 13:56:26	n00b101	I have updated existing grub cfg via Grub-Customizer and grub didn't show yet
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2021-09-04 14:00:03	n00b101	grape: why?
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2021-09-04 14:03:25	ds-ac	bernd: np, glad it worked out :)
2021-09-04 14:03:52	grape	because i'm wrongtyper
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2021-09-04 14:18:17	jmcantrell	I have this in a systemd service's ExecStart, yet it only outputs "/bin/sh" to the journal. Anyone know why? ExecStart=/bin/bash -c "printf '%s' foo"
2021-09-04 14:18:28	predicament	Tom^ i just installed the nvidia package and amdgpu and other fallback drivers... ill try to look at what you're saying, but this xorg is for amdgpu and for nvidia, not for one monitor switching.. i want dual monitors/screens
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2021-09-04 14:18:57	predicament	have you gooogle that?
2021-09-04 14:19:04	predicament	googled*
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2021-09-04 14:19:55	predicament	Tom^ I have an Acer Nitro, the AMD Ryzen 5 4600H .. so,  it's 6 cores 12 threads.  pretty cool
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2021-09-04 14:28:03	nobodies	if i want to get a bunch of random unicode characters working in my term, what catch all fonts do i need?
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2021-09-04 14:28:47	ℹ 	Chep` es conocido ahora como Chep
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2021-09-04 20:01:35	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1295 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1293 normals)
2021-09-04 18:45:01	thrice	too bad about dracut hooks
2021-09-04 19:15:09	kyentei	Has anyone got experience with btrfs on luks in combination with dracut? I'm getting very slow shutdowns and I think something maybe needs to be configured with dracut.
2021-09-04 19:22:35	grawity	yay dnspython 2.x in repos
2021-09-04 19:23:29	grawity	duelle: I think it's supposed to be set by gnome-settings-daemon or something along those lines, usually
2021-09-04 19:24:45	grawity	I think the tool is talking about the root window properties (as in `xprop -root`), gsd-color indeed sets those
2021-09-04 19:25:25	grawity	("atom" is a generic X term for interned string, used for constant names of things)
2021-09-04 19:30:23	grawity	duelle: if you're not using GNOME (or derivatives), it looks like `xiccd` can automatically apply profiles from colord to X
2021-09-04 19:30:26	duelle	grawity The problem is that I currently use i3wm which (according to the docs in the ICC wiki page) does not work with the gnome-settings-daemon. 
2021-09-04 19:31:09	duelle	grawity That's what I am trying. But I am not sure how to ensure that the right profile is applied. And the only tool I know is the mentioned darktable-cmstest which shows multiple settings that seem to conflict..
2021-09-04 19:33:01	grawity	"how to ensure" you mean besides specifying it via colord and letting xiccd sync it to the Xserver?
2021-09-04 19:33:45	duelle	Yes. So display in some way what it is actually applying. Sometimes it is not that obvious whether something changed visually
2021-09-04 19:35:48	duelle	And only the said darktable tool displayed something the like. But that is not that clear on which of the (supposedly different) profiles is finally applied.
2021-09-04 19:36:33	grawity	well, for DP-3 those look like they're the same profile
2021-09-04 19:36:47	grawity	and for both DP-1 and DP-5 there's only one profile to begin with
2021-09-04 19:37:04	grawity	dunno though, I'm not very familiar with this
2021-09-04 19:37:43	duelle	Okay, maybe I'm fine then. This "difference" confused me and I don't know how to make them the same..
2021-09-04 19:44:39	GabCM	Is it me or did Bitwarden just move from AUR to Pacman?
2021-09-04 19:45:24	thrice	you can view package history online
2021-09-04 19:45:28	thrice	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/commits/packages/bitwarden/trunk
2021-09-04 19:45:44	GabCM	oh I see
2021-09-04 19:45:46	GabCM	thanks
2021-09-04 20:01:32	AmR	How I can make desktop top icon for my pc and soon with KDE?
2021-09-04 20:01:35	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-09-04 20:02:12	Namarrgon	"top icon"?
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2021-09-04 20:03:56	AmR	I don't know the name for  it. Like my computer.
2021-09-04 20:05:15	GabCM	you mean having something like "Your PC" on Windows but on your KDE Desktop?
2021-09-04 20:05:41	AmR	yes
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2021-09-04 20:08:52	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-09-04 20:08:54	AmR	I  knoe I see linux mandriva
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2021-09-04 20:10:20	striking	if you install udisks2 or some other mounter, your file manager will be able to mount disks for you
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2021-09-04 20:11:00	striking	*gvfs, sorry
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2021-09-04 20:13:32	thrice	no, you definitely do not need or wnat gvfs with plasma
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2021-09-04 20:13:57	striking	oh, true
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2021-09-04 20:26:58	ℹ 	comruminoAlt es conocido ahora como comrumino
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2021-09-04 20:29:11	comrumino	nothing like updating the mirror list and running the same command 12 hours later and getting a different result. Good 'ol archllinux-key‌ring and mirror propagation
2021-09-04 20:29:26	comrumino	maybe pebkac, but I blame mirror sync :P
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2021-09-04 20:30:21	comrumino	i feel like mirror sync should do the keyring first to prevent race conditions, but that's just me :)
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2021-09-04 20:46:16	ℹ 	xoan0 es conocido ahora como xoan
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2021-09-04 20:49:24	duidvd	I need a better mail client. What should I take?
2021-09-04 20:49:37	⚡ 	thrice uses webmail
2021-09-04 20:49:47	Tom^	duidvd: weechat like every other eltist arch user
2021-09-04 20:50:30	duidvd	weechat is capable to be a mail client?
2021-09-04 20:50:48	thrice	what are you using now?
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2021-09-04 20:51:10	thrice	claws might be the last I used
2021-09-04 20:51:12	duidvd	Mailspring
2021-09-04 20:51:21	duidvd	I feel bad about it
2021-09-04 20:51:33	bhava	ive stuck w thunderbird for years now
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2021-09-04 20:51:59	SponiX	gmail in the browser does fine for me
2021-09-04 20:52:23	⚡ 	mongy fought long n had to get mutt setup how he likes, and I'm never giving it up
2021-09-04 20:52:27	bhava	i use rambox for protonmail and tutanota account
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2021-09-04 20:52:34	mongy	s/had/hard
2021-09-04 20:53:29	GabCM	I've tried KMail and KOrganizer with outlook and gmail but I gave up on those and none other clients seem to work fine for me so I'm sticking with webmail
2021-09-04 20:53:29	teraflops	thunderbird is a good email client
2021-09-04 20:54:17	ℹ 	ferr_ es conocido ahora como fercell
2021-09-04 20:54:32	JarbonFeh	Hi, what good email client do you recommend me to use on android? 
2021-09-04 20:54:44	thrice	!notarch
2021-09-04 20:54:44	phrik	This channel is for Arch Linux support only. Also see https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/service-agreements/-/blob/master/code-of-conduct.md#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
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2021-09-04 20:55:04	JarbonFeh	Oh my bad 
2021-09-04 20:55:08	teraflops	;)
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2021-09-04 20:56:26	teraflops	I like k9-mail, it does inline gpg and works well with e.g yubikey, but yeah offtopic
2021-09-04 20:57:17	duidvd	thunderbird became bad over the time, I'd love to go for something new
2021-09-04 20:57:43	duidvd	ill give k9-mail/kmail a try
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2021-09-04 20:57:47	duidvd	thanks!
2021-09-04 20:58:10	teraflops	the k9-mail was an android suggestion
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2021-09-04 20:58:28	GabCM	kmail is the KDE mail client, but should work in other DMs/WMs I dunno
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2021-09-04 20:58:52	Tom^	duidvd: lol no, idk how i read "mail" as "irc"
2021-09-04 20:58:55	Tom^	oh well
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2021-09-04 20:59:46	mongy	nearly 800mb in deps to install kmail.  rip
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2021-09-04 21:02:18	HEX0	postal office no bloat
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2021-09-04 21:05:58	GabCM	smoke signals no bloat but short distance tho
2021-09-04 21:06:10	GabCM	also low character limit
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2021-09-04 22:06:32	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1308 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1306 normals)
2021-09-04 21:34:29	pulec	dang it, anything I run via wine or proton has issues with DNS
2021-09-04 21:35:04	pulec	using systemd-{network,resolve}d
2021-09-04 21:35:13	pulec	and is linking /etc/resolv.conf -> /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf
2021-09-04 21:37:03	Namarrgon	32bit or 64bit stuff?
2021-09-04 21:37:18	pulec	games are running are surely 64bit
2021-09-04 21:37:23	pulec	*I'm running
2021-09-04 21:37:54	Namarrgon	is lib32-systemd installed?
2021-09-04 21:37:56	pulec	Rockstar's Launcher from RDR2 can't connect for example
2021-09-04 21:38:13	pulec	yes it is
2021-09-04 21:38:18	pulec	249.4-1
2021-09-04 21:38:30	Namarrgon	native or steam runtime?
2021-09-04 21:39:00	pulec	steam-native
2021-09-04 21:39:21	pulec	the same issue is when I run wine via lutris
2021-09-04 21:39:23	Namarrgon	and all of steam-native-runtiem is installed?
2021-09-04 21:40:42	pulec	yes
2021-09-04 21:40:55	pulec	local/steam-native-runtime 1.0.0.70-2
2021-09-04 21:41:11	pulec	I have this old wineprefix I use with totalcmd and it seems to work there
2021-09-04 21:41:21	pulec	but it's weird new wineprefixes would be borked like this
2021-09-04 21:43:27	pulec	hm I'll try deleting rdr2's prefix
2021-09-04 21:43:34	pulec	in compatdata
2021-09-04 21:45:24	pulec	launching stuff on proton 6.3-6 btw, protondb does not report any issues with launcher and connection, at least not last few don't
2021-09-04 21:46:29	Namarrgon	dns outside of steam/wine works fine?
2021-09-04 21:46:44	pulec	yes, well, there are no issues
2021-09-04 21:46:50	pulec	router feeds dns
2021-09-04 21:47:00	pulec	resolvectl:
2021-09-04 21:47:04	pulec	Current DNS Server: 192.168.88.1
2021-09-04 21:47:06	pulec	       DNS Servers: 192.168.88.1 8.8.8.8 1.1.1.1
2021-09-04 21:48:51	pulec	no warnings in systemd-{networkd,resolved}
2021-09-04 21:49:11	pulec	well except this:
2021-09-04 21:49:15	pulec	> systemd-resolved[803]: Using degraded feature set UDP instead of UDP+EDNS0 for DNS server 192.168.88.1.
2021-09-04 21:53:42	pulec	Namarrgon: don't you think I just need to use Network-Manager?
2021-09-04 21:54:23	Namarrgon	it should work fine with networkd/resolved
2021-09-04 21:54:28	Namarrgon	it does here at least
2021-09-04 21:54:40	pulec	hm darn it
2021-09-04 21:55:11	pulec	I guess I can try doing same setup things on a fresh machine I need to install arch on and finding some simpler game where the issues occurs as well
2021-09-04 21:55:31	pulec	I might bbs on forums
2021-09-04 21:55:34	Namarrgon	what if you remove your local dns server?
2021-09-04 21:55:39	pulec	oh right
2021-09-04 21:56:06	pulec	hm where did I set it even?
2021-09-04 21:56:14	pulec	/etc/systemd/resolved.conf.d is empty
2021-09-04 21:56:27	pulec	oh resolved.conf
2021-09-04 21:56:28	Namarrgon	dhcp?
2021-09-04 21:56:31	Namarrgon	ah
2021-09-04 21:57:28	pulec	> DNS=8.8.8.8 1.1.1.1
2021-09-04 21:57:40	pulec	setting to empty didn't change anything
2021-09-04 21:57:52	pulec	hm restarted resolved, still same
2021-09-04 21:57:57	⚡ 	pulec scratches his head
2021-09-04 21:58:44	pulec	network itself should not matter, it's just match eno1 and dhcp v4
2021-09-04 21:59:16	pulec	oh gotta set Domains=~.
2021-09-04 21:59:58	pulec	ok
2021-09-04 22:00:22	pulec	https://0x0.st/-wiE.status
2021-09-04 22:00:53	pulec	for global it's set to 8.8.8.8, for wired link still gateway, the router
2021-09-04 22:01:40	pulec	> Steam may have issues if systemd-resolved is providing DNS resolution. Make sure lib32-systemd is present to resolve this. 
2021-09-04 22:01:43	pulec	Namarrgon: good call there
2021-09-04 22:01:53	pulec	on steam troubleshooting awiki
2021-09-04 22:02:40	pulec	got all the lib32 depends mentioned
2021-09-04 22:02:42	pulec	aaaaaaaa
2021-09-04 22:03:07	pulec	ok dns caching with nscd
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2021-09-04 22:08:46	pulec	ok started, nothing, enable and reboot and let's see
2021-09-04 22:08:48	pulec	reboot always helps!
2021-09-04 22:10:06	⚡ 	kevr beats nscd to death
2021-09-04 22:10:15	kevr	Don't screw with my homie pulec, bro.
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2021-09-04 22:13:09	pulec	kevr: wat
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2021-09-04 22:52:39	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-04 22:58:24	Kodiak_IT	Anyone know how I can set xmodmap to emulate a particular key-press with a mouse button click? (Discord doesn't like using mouse buttons directly for push-to-talk apparently)
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2021-09-05 07:07:43	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1276 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1274 normals)
2021-09-05 03:43:43	j-james	Hello, I appear to have broken my computer after updating today
2021-09-05 03:44:29	thrice	nice
2021-09-05 03:44:39	j-james	Attempting to boot gives me the message "EFI stub: ERROR: failed to read file" and fails to boot
2021-09-05 03:45:19	j-james	thrice: yeah, haha
2021-09-05 03:45:37	thrice	no bootloader, just efistub?
2021-09-05 03:45:43	j-james	What's funny is I can't think of anything weird that would have caused it
2021-09-05 03:45:53	thrice	or, efibootmgr or whatever
2021-09-05 03:45:57	j-james	No, it appears after selecting Arch Linux from systemd-boot
2021-09-05 03:46:26	thrice	can you boot the install media?
2021-09-05 03:46:44	j-james	I did install this with the official installer, not by hand
2021-09-05 03:46:54	j-james	I'll try that out
2021-09-05 03:46:57	thrice	I mean, to help troubleshoot / repair
2021-09-05 03:48:11	j-james	yeah i just have to find another computer to flash the usb
2021-09-05 03:48:56	catman	according to the info online it suggests you boot into a failsafe or older kernel
2021-09-05 03:52:23	thrice	yeah, I was curious if your boot partition wasn't mounted during a kernel update, if the initramfs is bogus, etc
2021-09-05 03:57:46	j-james	hmm, the bios is not letting me boot from the usb drive
2021-09-05 04:08:17	j-james	thrice: alright, got in - what exactly am i looking for?
2021-09-05 04:10:43	thrice	j-james: did you mount your ESP, too?  If so, I'd check if the initramfs looks sane
2021-09-05 04:19:54	j-james	thrice: i haven't - what should i mount where for that?
2021-09-05 04:42:35	j-james	thrice: how do you check the initramfs?
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2021-09-05 07:35:02	mattf	Does someone have a script to change pulseaudio's default output sink on the fly?
2021-09-05 07:35:02	mattf	 
2021-09-05 07:35:12	mattf	to let me choose which one
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2021-09-05 07:51:23	mattf	Here it is: http://ix.io/3xYb
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2021-09-05 07:52:27	mattf	but question, i have a stream playing over rtmp and it doesn't get listed
2021-09-05 07:52:38	mattf	and i mean pulseaudio-rtmp
2021-09-05 07:52:53	mattf	so how can i change it
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2021-09-05 08:01:15	mattf	rtp*
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2021-09-05 08:06:54	mattf	it takes sink as parameter...  should I unload an reload it on the fly
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2021-09-05 08:12:54	mattf	nice
2021-09-05 08:12:58	mattf	thanks mattf
2021-09-05 08:13:23	mattf	this works http://ix.io/3xYf
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2021-09-05 08:16:05	mattf	nice
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2021-09-05 09:09:08	n00b101	when i use yay -Syu , i get this error ```yay: error while loading shared libraries: libalpm.so.12: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory```
2021-09-05 09:11:27	nattiestnate	yo. how do i convert a vmx file (vmware) to qcow2? i came across virt-v2v but i can't find it anywhere on the arch repos
2021-09-05 09:12:32	sheep	n00b101: rebuild yay with makepkg. It needs to be rebuilt for the new vwersion of pacman
2021-09-05 09:13:22	nattiestnate	sorry i gotta go i'll ask again later cya
2021-09-05 09:13:29	nattiestnate	\q
2021-09-05 09:13:33	n00b101	```cd /tmp && git clone 'https://aur.archlinux.org/yay.git' && cd /tmp/yay && makepkg -si && cd ~ && rm -rf /tmp/yay/```
2021-09-05 09:13:49	n00b101	is this okay to rebuild?
2021-09-05 09:14:07	n00b101	https://github.com/Jguer/yay/issues/1519#issuecomment-851784125
2021-09-05 09:14:23	sheep	don't build in /tmp
2021-09-05 09:14:28	sheep	you can run out of RAM
2021-09-05 09:19:23	sheep	build it somewhere in your home directory
2021-09-05 09:40:34	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-05 09:53:13	lemmein	!paste wow
2021-09-05 09:53:14	phrik	lemmein: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
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2021-09-05 10:09:43	KingShark	hi. why would my wlan0 have been blocked?  iwctl device list showed my wifi adapter as powered: off. the iwd service status showed an error about 'Error bringing interface up: Operation not possible due to RF-kill'; i then ran 'rfkill unblock all' and it worked fine. i dont understand why it went into blocked state though
2021-09-05 10:10:07	NetSysFire	what does rfkill list show?
2021-09-05 10:10:10	NetSysFire	is it hard blocked?
2021-09-05 10:10:23	KingShark	its unblocked and working fine now after the rfkill unblock all
2021-09-05 10:10:53	KingShark	just wondering why it was blocked
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2021-09-05 10:19:05	teraflops	KingShark: do you do dual boot or suspend to disk/ram?
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2021-09-05 10:27:18	KingShark	teraflops, no, neither
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2021-09-05 12:18:26	ℹ 	Exagone313 es conocido ahora como Exa
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2021-09-05 12:22:29	teraflops	guys, go break something, this is boring :P
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2021-09-05 12:23:54	Edu4rdSHL	Hi, I installed Manjaro, can you help me? teraflops 
2021-09-05 12:23:58	Edu4rdSHL	:p
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2021-09-05 12:48:34	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1280 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1278 normals)
2021-09-05 12:35:18	Ckat	how do I get people to stop flagging a -git package as out of date just by pkgver
2021-09-05 12:35:46	Repentinus	Ckat, you don't. Idiots are idiots.
2021-09-05 12:36:36	Ckat	rip
2021-09-05 12:48:34	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-05 13:00:15	aiyion	lol.
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2021-09-05 13:15:23	ℹ 	HaxPenguino es conocido ahora como CoCoHaxPenguin
2021-09-05 13:15:40	gloomy	Hi, a while back someone here linked to a script (maybe it was on the AUR?) that allowed keeping a system usable without reboot after doing a kernel upgrade. Can't find it back - anyone know what it's called? :)
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2021-09-05 13:19:19	Casper	gloomy, https://archlinux.org/packages/community/any/kernel-modules-hook/ ?
2021-09-05 13:19:22	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - kernel-modules-hook 0.1.7-2 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2021-09-05 13:20:14	gloomy	Yup, that's it I think, thanks a lot
2021-09-05 13:20:20	Casper	No problem
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2021-09-05 13:53:59	mingdao	h4rd3n3D: No, I didn't work on that yet.  I did spend more time trying to figure out why $HOME/.Xresources settings aren't loading when Gnome starts.
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2021-09-05 19:29:28	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1318 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1316 normals)
2021-09-05 15:14:45	aminvakil	an arch mirror not being update 4 days is too much, right?
2021-09-05 15:17:57	thrice	probably
2021-09-05 15:18:00	thrice	!mirrorstatus
2021-09-05 15:18:01	phrik	Check the status of the mirrors here: http://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/status/
2021-09-05 15:19:09	aminvakil	yeah i just checked and there are lots of out of sync mirrors anyway, but http://mirror.23m.com/archlinux/ is a tier 1 mirror: https://archlinux.org/mirrors/status/tier/1/
2021-09-05 15:19:10	phrik	Title: Index of /archlinux/ (at mirror.23m.com)
2021-09-05 15:26:07	aminvakil	i can't find the bug report, but i think there was last month they requested to become a tier 1 mirror already
2021-09-05 15:30:05	mingdao	With userresources="$HOME/.Xresources" in /etc/gdm/Xsession should I expect $HOME/.Xresources to be read when the Gnome desktop starts?
2021-09-05 15:30:54	mingdao	Because it apparently is not, and I have to run `xrdb merge .Xresources` after starting urxvt, then close it, then start it again for those settings to be used.
2021-09-05 15:31:40	mingdao	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xprofile states The xprofile files are natively sourced by the following display managers: GDM - /etc/gdm/Xsession
2021-09-05 15:31:42	phrik	Title: xprofile - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-05 15:32:59	Scimmia	running GNOME on X or Wayland?
2021-09-05 15:34:08	mingdao	I have run it both with x11 and wayland...present session is x11.
2021-09-05 15:34:18	mingdao	According to:    loginctl show-session $(awk '/tty/ {print $1}' <(loginctl)) -p Type | awk -F= '{print $2}'
2021-09-05 15:35:20	mingdao	IDK if it should show in this output, but this returns to a prompt with nothing:   journalctl -b -0|grep Xresources
2021-09-05 15:35:41	mingdao	And the same without -b -0, also.
2021-09-05 15:48:07	mingdao	Scimmia: Any advice?
2021-09-05 15:48:24	mingdao	I didn't really think it would do anything, but I created a $HOME/.xprofile with: xrdb merge .Xresources &
2021-09-05 15:48:29	mingdao	No change...
2021-09-05 15:49:57	Scimmia	mingdao: I don't know GDM at all, sorry. Just thought I'd check the obvious
2021-09-05 15:50:25	mingdao	Scimmia: Maybe a stupid question, but is there an alternative to GDM for Gnome?
2021-09-05 15:50:55	Scimmia	I know at one point GNOME didn't work right if you didn't have GDM, but I don't know if that's still the case
2021-09-05 15:51:20	mingdao	I've read more Arch wiki articles without any hint of how $HOME/.Xresources should load than /etc/gdm/Xesssion
2021-09-05 15:57:25	grawity	mingdao: are you sure the resources aren't being merged *at all*
2021-09-05 15:57:39	grawity	as opposed to just your #ifdefs not being honored due to -nocpp
2021-09-05 16:12:59	HEX0	mingdao: you can probably use third party screen locker on gnome, so
2021-09-05 16:13:04	HEX0	!give mingdao tias
2021-09-05 16:13:04	phrik	mingdao: Try It And See™
2021-09-05 16:14:05	mingdao	grawity: In my $HOME/.Xresources ?
2021-09-05 16:14:43	mingdao	grawity: I don't understand your question.
2021-09-05 16:38:17	thrice	gnome-session doesn't require gdm, no, but you'll miss out on lock screen ability
2021-09-05 16:45:51	HEX0	thrice: maybe possible to use i3lock or swaylock on gnome
2021-09-05 16:47:11	grawity	mingdao: like, what do you have in `xrdb -query` after logging in
2021-09-05 16:47:38	grawity	also
2021-09-05 16:48:01	grawity	note that in GNOME Wayland mode, Xwayland is started on demand and not on login, so it uses a different startup script than the usual gdm Xsession
2021-09-05 16:48:15	grawity	/etc/xdg/Xwayland-session.d/00-xrdb
2021-09-05 16:56:24	mingdao	grawity: Gnome x11, not wayland.
2021-09-05 16:57:18	mingdao	grawity: https://0x0.st/-wNo.txt is `xrdb -query` after logging in and urxvt looks like this https://0x0.st/-wNH.png
2021-09-05 16:57:56	grawity	ok, so which settings are "not loading" then
2021-09-05 16:58:05	grawity	those look a lot like custom Xresources settings to me
2021-09-05 16:59:38	mingdao	Yes.  The reason I says $HOME/.Xresources is not loading is because, for one, the scrollbar is not blue and on the right-hand side.  Also, notice the font size.
2021-09-05 17:01:01	grawity	for one, I see no scrollbar in your screenshot, and the font size seems correct for 18 pt at 192 dpi (note Xft.dpi)
2021-09-05 17:01:08	grawity	the main point is
2021-09-05 17:01:21	grawity	if your settings weren't being loaded, `xrdb -query` *would not show them*
2021-09-05 17:01:24	mingdao	grawity: When I issue `xrdb merge .Xresources`, close urxvt, then open it again it looks like this https://0x0.st/-wNA.png
2021-09-05 17:01:31	grawity	because it queries the same place as urxvt does
2021-09-05 17:03:46	mingdao	So why do I get https://0x0.st/-wNH.png and https://0x0.st/-wNo.txt when Gnome starts, then this https://0x0.st/-wNA.png after I issue `xrdb merge .Xresources` ?
2021-09-05 17:04:35	grawity	probably because GNOME is told to set the wrong Xft.dpi, which it does *after* loading Xresources
2021-09-05 17:05:03	grawity	run a diff on `xrdb -query` before vs `xrdb -query` after
2021-09-05 17:05:08	mingdao	Where and how to change it?  I don't understand that, either ... unless
2021-09-05 17:05:20	mingdao	I already did, and there's no difference.
2021-09-05 17:05:48	grawity	then also run a diff on `xprop -root` before and `xprop -root` after
2021-09-05 17:07:11	mingdao	I think this might have to do with the DPI of the screen, and a Gnome setting of 200%.
2021-09-05 17:08:38	mingdao	This https://0x0.st/-wNu.png
2021-09-05 17:10:13	mingdao	There are differences in xprop-root-before and xprop-root-after
2021-09-05 17:15:39	mingdao	https://0x0.st/-wNe.diff
2021-09-05 17:15:55	sammyf	hey there. I have an old DELL vostro3500 with i5-430 here. as far as I know it has some sort of hybrid Nvidia GPU in there too. The KUbuntu Installer gets to the GUI, so I know it works okay. The Archlinux installer, on the other hand, goes right to kernel panic after the probing EDD line. I searched but couldn't find any info on how to get the installer to start correctly. My guess is that it's
2021-09-05 17:15:56	sammyf	something to do with the nvidia GPU, but I'm lost this time. anybody got an idea?
2021-09-05 17:16:21	grawity	ok, so that means you should re-test the `xrdb -query` diff again
2021-09-05 17:16:28	mingdao	k
2021-09-05 17:16:36	grawity	because RESOURCE_MANAGER is where both xrdb and urxvt take the "loaded" resources from
2021-09-05 17:17:40	grawity	in particular, it looks like your "after" completely throws away the Xft.* and Xcursor.* settings that GNOME was set
2021-09-05 17:17:55	grawity	i.e. you're not actually using -merge, you're outright overwriting the old resources with new ones
2021-09-05 17:18:11	mingdao	There is no different in `xrdb -query`
2021-09-05 17:18:14	grawity	I was assuming that your "xrdb merge" was a typo
2021-09-05 17:18:20	grawity	turns out you're holding it wrong
2021-09-05 17:21:33	mingdao	itex
2021-09-05 17:21:53	mingdao	e
2021-09-05 17:21:53	mingdao	xeitxit
2021-09-05 17:22:10	mingdao	https://0x0.st/-wNp.txt
2021-09-05 17:22:24	mingdao	I don't know what you mean by "holding it wrong".
2021-09-05 17:22:32	grawity	xrdb doesn't have subcommands
2021-09-05 17:22:39	mingdao	?
2021-09-05 17:22:41	grawity	it has an "xrdb -merge" option
2021-09-05 17:22:47	grawity	it does not have an "xrdb merge" subcommand
2021-09-05 17:23:23	grawity	you're passing it "merge" as a filename, and by default it's not actually merging settings but overwriting them
2021-09-05 17:23:52	grawity	as a result, it's *removing* settings that were set by GNOME, like Xft.dpi
2021-09-05 17:24:30	mingdao	Okay, well let me log out and try issuing the command properly.
2021-09-05 17:24:50	mingdao	Marc of rxvt-unicode is insisting Xresources is wrong and it must be Xefaults.
2021-09-05 17:25:02	grawity	no
2021-09-05 17:25:23	grawity	.Xdefaults isn't wrong, but it used to be the path that Xlib apps *themselves* loaded, without xrdb
2021-09-05 17:25:37	grawity	after xrdb has loaded something, those apps no longer look at .Xdefaults
2021-09-05 17:25:47	grawity	(and xrdb itself doesn't care about the file name, it can load either)
2021-09-05 17:25:49	grawity	though
2021-09-05 17:26:08	grawity	I remember rxvt-unicode having some custom code to make it *always* load .Xdefaults manually
2021-09-05 17:26:10	grawity	or was it xterm?
2021-09-05 17:26:13	grawity	no, probably urxvt
2021-09-05 17:26:27	grawity	so Marc's probably not wrong, but .Xresources is not wrong either
2021-09-05 17:27:02	grawity	it's not a question that rxvt-unicode does look at RESOURCE_MANAGER in xprop
2021-09-05 17:27:14	grawity	and if it looks there, then the filename given to xrdb doesn't matter, as long as stuff is being put there
2021-09-05 17:27:32	grawity	so before I afk for a while
2021-09-05 17:27:39	grawity	1) stop using "xrdb merge", it's spelled "xrdb -merge"
2021-09-05 17:27:56	grawity	2) your 200% scale results in a large Xft.dpi being set, that's fine but you should adjust your font accordingly
2021-09-05 17:28:03	grawity	just use 12pt or something, not 18pt
2021-09-05 17:28:50	mingdao	Here is after logout https://0x0.st/-wNy.png
2021-09-05 17:29:21	grawity	like, in the rest of GNOME, when you click "200%" it doesn't switch from 10pt fonts to 20pt, apps still use same 10pt at 2x scale
2021-09-05 17:29:39	grawity	so your urxvt font should likewise be 9pt or 12pt or whatever
2021-09-05 17:32:09	mingdao	So you see what I issued, then `xrdb -merge .Xresources` did not change the font size, but did, for instance, add the scroll bar.
2021-09-05 17:32:46	mingdao	So if I change the font size in .Xresources, it should launch the first time with that font size and the scrollbar showing, right?
2021-09-05 17:35:15	mingdao	grawity: That got the font smaller, but the scroll bar isn't there.
2021-09-05 17:36:16	mingdao	I now have gotten the font size changed to 12 in .Xresources and it is 12 when first starting urxvt.  However, the scroll bar is not there.  Maybe my settings just aren't correct?
2021-09-05 17:37:14	thrice	out of curiosity, what's the use case for urxvt?
2021-09-05 17:37:48	thrice	not that I'm an expert, but it seems like one of the worst choices these days, esp for gnome
2021-09-05 17:39:40	mingdao	thrice: Over the past 18 years it's been the best terminal for me, and I've tried many others.
2021-09-05 17:40:23	thrice	OK.  I thought it mostly died years ago, and while it used to be one of the best for customization, it's now pretty painful
2021-09-05 17:40:24	mingdao	Every other terminal I've tried lacks some feature of urxvt.
2021-09-05 17:40:45	thrice	But, I'll sit here and keep watching the struggle to achieve a simple task :>
2021-09-05 17:40:59	mingdao	I could say the same about xterm, gnome-terminal, etc.
2021-09-05 17:41:03	thrice	what does eg. gnome-terminal lack?
2021-09-05 17:41:23	mingdao	I don't waste my time in life arguing with others about their choices.
2021-09-05 17:41:32	mingdao	Use what you want.
2021-09-05 17:41:45	thrice	ok
2021-09-05 17:41:47	mingdao	If you can help with the problem presented, by all means join in.  If not, just lurk.
2021-09-05 17:41:50	mingdao	;)
2021-09-05 17:42:02	thrice	I'm just saying, using a VTE terminal in gnome would solve you problem
2021-09-05 17:42:30	thrice	you've spent an hour trying to hide a scrollbar, when you could have just checked a box 59.9minutes ago :D
2021-09-05 17:42:50	mingdao	I see you missed the suggestion to lurk.
2021-09-05 17:42:57	thrice	not trying to argue, just honestly curious what urxvt does better than anything these days
2021-09-05 17:43:03	mingdao	And don't even know what you're talking about at that.
2021-09-05 17:43:09	mingdao	TIAS
2021-09-05 17:43:25	thrice	I used to use it like 15 years ago
2021-09-05 17:43:43	mingdao	Wonderful ... /ignore thrice is my next step if you can't STFU.
2021-09-05 17:43:53	mingdao	I've had to use it with you in the past.
2021-09-05 17:43:55	thrice	oh no, please don't
2021-09-05 17:44:34	mingdao	Hate to, because you might actually know what you're talking about on some other subject while I lurk and read, or search the log.  ;)
2021-09-05 17:44:47	mingdao	Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then.
2021-09-05 17:45:59	coruja	mingdao: calm down, thrice is not offensive at all, just giving you some (seriously meant) advice (which you don't want to follow)
2021-09-05 17:46:15	coruja	so move on then
2021-09-05 17:47:13	mingdao	coruja: Your opinion is duly noted on the www, Little Billy.
2021-09-05 17:47:42	turlando	mate-terminal is so good /s
2021-09-05 17:57:31	thrice	or alacritty, or gnome-terminal, or ...
2021-09-05 18:01:33	⚡ 	coruja still likes lxterminal
2021-09-05 18:24:20	JarbonFeh	The only reason I use lxterminal is because it's the only one working on my rpi lol
2021-09-05 18:25:08	JarbonFeh	Most of the time,I use alacritty on arch. 
2021-09-05 18:26:48	phrik	Title: IMG 20210905 214905 535 — Postimages (at postimg.cc)
2021-09-05 18:28:29	vipulogmx_	thrice: I use it because it's the lightest and just works. I have no problems with it, And I set up it's configuration in just a couple of hours tops
2021-09-05 18:28:31	SysGhost	Well.. I can't. Crappy image host service. =S
2021-09-05 18:28:59	vipulogmx_	SysGhost: suggest a good one
2021-09-05 18:30:56	SysGhost	vipulogmx_: I have no good ones. Most are crap that requires all kinds of shenanigans.
2021-09-05 18:31:23	vipulogmx_	SysGhost: :(
2021-09-05 18:34:00	SysGhost	Most good ones have turned into crappy ones requiring all kinds of javascripts, tracking and extremely nasty CAPTCHAs
2021-09-05 18:35:36	thrice	vipulogmx_: do we really need "lightest" terminal emulators?  At most, we're talking 10s of mb of memory?
2021-09-05 18:36:18	vipulogmx_	thrice: yes it's a benefit when you 100s of windows open
2021-09-05 18:36:47	thrice	wut
2021-09-05 18:36:57	perrierjouet	rofi fonts are small since last update
2021-09-05 18:37:01	vipulogmx_	thrice if I open 100 urxvt windows in client daemon mode it uses under 300 megs
2021-09-05 18:37:20	mingdao	SysGhost: Have you tried https://0x0.st/ ?
2021-09-05 18:37:24	thrice	I'm not even going to ask :D
2021-09-05 18:37:24	emberquill	Well if you don't specify "light" terminal emulators then someone will recommend Hyper and that's just a bad time.
2021-09-05 18:37:37	vipulogmx_	Without any downside or lack of any usage or feature
2021-09-05 18:38:15	SysGhost	mingdao: neat. That one is still alive, or has been revived. \o/
2021-09-05 18:38:18	vipulogmx_	emberquill: hahahaha
2021-09-05 18:38:34	SysGhost	mingdao: I gave up on it a while ago as there was no response.
2021-09-05 18:38:44	thrice	perrierjouet: which update?
2021-09-05 18:39:08	mingdao	SysGhost: Using Tor?
2021-09-05 18:39:17	mingdao	Tor exit nodes are blocked by the firewall due to frequent rule violations.
2021-09-05 18:39:21	SysGhost	nope. I avoid TOR as much as possible.
2021-09-05 18:39:27	mingdao	ack
2021-09-05 18:40:06	SysGhost	TOR is jsut as safe as any strangers computer. One never knows what exit nodes one end up with.
2021-09-05 18:40:37	mingdao	SysGhost: It's not mine, and I don't understand "no response", but the page is very responsive for me, and mia has responded to requests to remove something when contacted.
2021-09-05 18:42:05	SysGhost	mingdao: a while ago (about a year) 0x0.st just... wasn't there any more. no response whatsoever, as if the server went p00f. I then went for other services such as ix and alike, but they don't usually do image hosting very well.
2021-09-05 18:42:45	SysGhost	I also wrote my own service that hosts all kinds of files, but I had to take it down as it got abused a lot.
2021-09-05 18:45:10	SysGhost	People started to upload illegal content that would put me in jail if it got out.
2021-09-05 18:45:44	SysGhost	I am after all the one responsible for whatever stored on my servers. No matter who uploads it.
2021-09-05 18:47:03	mingdao	SysGhost: I've been using 0x0.st for at least 2 years, with no issues.  I also host some images on a server of my own.
2021-09-05 18:47:03	perrierjouet	thrice:latest update
2021-09-05 18:47:30	thrice	that's not a thing on arch
2021-09-05 18:47:48	SysGhost	mingdao: hosting images is one thing. Making it easy for anyone to upload whatever they want is... very dangerous.
2021-09-05 18:47:53	thrice	update of rofi?  A theme?  freetype?  fontconfig?
2021-09-05 18:49:20	vipulogmx_	Rofi update is what caused that
2021-09-05 18:49:48	Foxboron	Rofi has updated their entire config setup. Please read the changelog
2021-09-05 18:50:36	vipulogmx_	Or shift to dmenu /s
2021-09-05 18:51:21	thrice	vipulogmx_: I checked, and even my "bells and whistles" terminal is at 14Mb.  What's urxvt for you?
2021-09-05 18:51:30	thrice	(also, in your scenario, why wouldn't you run as a daemon?)
2021-09-05 18:52:00	vipulogmx_	thrice: that's what I do. I use it in daemon client mode
2021-09-05 18:52:16	vipulogmx_	14 megs? Which terminal are you on
2021-09-05 18:52:26	thrice	terminology, at the moment
2021-09-05 18:52:42	thrice	it's not meant to be lightweight, though
2021-09-05 18:52:49	vipulogmx_	Ahh terminology is a nice one
2021-09-05 18:52:56	vipulogmx_	But it can't run everywhere
2021-09-05 18:53:38	vipulogmx_	I like the nyan cursor theme. Truly hilarious
2021-09-05 18:53:50	thrice	:D
2021-09-05 18:58:35	vipulogmx_	thrice: I presume you're on enlightenment then
2021-09-05 19:11:41	perrierjouet	vipulogmx_: you switched to dmenu ?
2021-09-05 19:15:28	grawity	ughh, I just realized libxcrypt means my "emergency static 'su'" cannot really work anymore
2021-09-05 19:17:26	grawity	I guess I can rebuild libxcrypt with static temporarily
2021-09-05 19:20:13	perrierjouet	vipulogmx_: we should change the rofi themes to the new format I guess
2021-09-05 19:21:53	Ivii	Volvo pls https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FUTEX2-Revised-v2
2021-09-05 19:21:54	phrik	Title: FUTEX2 Revised Again For Helping Steam Play But Will Miss Out On Linux 5.15 - Phoronix (at www.phoronix.com)
2021-09-05 19:23:49	perrierjouet	vipulogmx_: I changed the font but some icons are not there
2021-09-05 19:25:24	perrierjouet	vipulogmx_: https://imgur.com/a/z1DAC50
2021-09-05 19:25:26	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2021-09-05 19:25:44	perrierjouet	some rofi icons are missing
2021-09-05 19:26:24	perrierjouet	for anyone wondering what wm, it's the awesome no pun intended 2bwm
2021-09-05 19:28:19	vipulogmx_	perrierjouet: I use rofi and dmenu both now. My Rofi configs are simple enough so they don't get affected even if I update to the latest
2021-09-05 19:29:28	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-09-05 19:29:38	ℹ 	Eres conocido ahora como teraflops
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2021-09-05 19:31:01	vipulogmx_	perrierjouet: share your Rofi configs and which version are you on ? I'll try em out and see
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2021-09-05 19:47:43	SysGhost	h4rd3n3D: one can trust TOR as much as one can trust the exit node. As anyone can be an exit node it is as safe as it sounds.
2021-09-05 19:47:59	mingdao	h4rd3n3D: Kip time then I'm going to resize and work on that project we discussed.  Thanks for your encouragement.
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2021-09-05 19:48:37	SysGhost	A friend showed me once how much he could capture by being an exit node. Lots of interesting information, including credit card details. (Surprising amount of people who thing banking http over TOR is "safe")
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2021-09-05 19:51:15	SysGhost	One might as well ask "Honest Pete" in the black candy van outside to be the ISP.
2021-09-05 19:51:45	SysGhost	Used right, TOR can be useful. But... only so much
2021-09-05 19:51:48	AmR	How I can Install pkg emscripten ver "1.39.8" ?
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2021-09-05 19:53:36	Namarrgon	AmR: why do you need such an old version?
2021-09-05 19:53:54	AmR	Namarrgon: For Qt
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2021-09-05 19:54:31	Namarrgon	what's the goal of this adventure?
2021-09-05 19:54:46	MrElendig	for an old qt?
2021-09-05 19:55:10	Namarrgon	if you want that old version you're going to have to write a PKGBUILD for it and install it in an alternative location or just keep it in ~
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2021-09-05 19:57:54	raster	vipulogmx_: who says terminology can't run everywhere?
2021-09-05 19:58:08	vipulogmx_	I couldn't
2021-09-05 19:58:30	vipulogmx_	Don't know why it just freezes everywhere except enlightenment
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2021-09-05 19:58:56	raster	vipulogmx_: no reason it should freeze... billiob uses it in i3 - he maintains it.
2021-09-05 19:59:06	raster	i've run it without a wm
2021-09-05 19:59:27	raster	run it in wayland, in a vt/tty (text console) and works there without a display system
2021-09-05 20:00:07	vipulogmx_	So how do you guys install it? Is there some extra enlightenment package that's needed or what
2021-09-05 20:00:14	raster	nup
2021-09-05 20:00:23	raster	it just needs efl - libs (like gtk or qt)
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2021-09-05 20:01:04	vipulogmx_	Can you give the exact ones? I might be going wrong with it
2021-09-05 20:01:16	raster	if you just use pacman - its done for you
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2021-09-05 20:01:27	vipulogmx_	Ok I'll try again
2021-09-05 20:01:31	raster	pacman -S terminology
2021-09-05 20:01:48	raster	if you have issues - try efl-git and terminology-git AUR's (yay or whatever)
2021-09-05 20:02:05	HEX0	SysGhost: what about https only
2021-09-05 20:02:08	vipulogmx_	 Urxvt seems to work for me. But will compare them both if it works ofcourse. It being terminology :)
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2021-09-05 20:02:28	vipulogmx_	Ok I'll get the EFL as well
2021-09-05 20:02:43	vipulogmx_	From aur ofc
2021-09-05 20:03:19	SysGhost	HEX0: Then it's important to see the certificate really is from the intended target. Although modern browser screech to a halt and throws all kinds ow warnings with lights and all if something is amiss.
2021-09-05 20:04:00	raster	vipulogmx_:  terminology also has a server-mode (multiple instances, one process in behavior settings)
2021-09-05 20:04:20	raster	vipulogmx_:  efl will just get installed if you install terminology anyway 
2021-09-05 20:04:29	HEX0	and most importantly it has nyan cat terminal cursor
2021-09-05 20:04:35	raster	if you have an issue - please report it - things dont get fixed if they dont get dug into :)
2021-09-05 20:05:03	vipulogmx_	Btw how do I run gnome as xorg only? I did a fresh arch install. Then installed gdm and gnome. Now I'm in gnome but arands gives the display name as Wayland however i didn't install it 
2021-09-05 20:05:40	vipulogmx_	raster: yes I will. If it bugs out I will try reporting. Let's hope it works
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2021-09-05 20:05:45	raster	actually most important is you can: tybg https://i.imgur.com/MxAE8Wp.mp4
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2021-09-05 20:06:06	raster	that is peak-coolness for any term
2021-09-05 20:06:26	vipulogmx_	Bruh that Rick roll
2021-09-05 20:06:33	raster	:)
2021-09-05 20:06:40	raster	but in your terminal background
2021-09-05 20:06:50	raster	job done. :)
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2021-09-05 20:08:42	raster	and just for giggles run terminology in a text vt/tty and set your rick-rollin' bg url. you are the coolest kid on the block :) :P :)
2021-09-05 20:09:28	mingdao	h4rd3n3D: Will do; I'm using GrUB.  I find the os-prober thing works pretty well.
2021-09-05 20:09:57	mingdao	h4rd3n3D: Biggest issue I've had doing this in the past is getting distros such as Kali to let me install in the partition(s) of my choice.
2021-09-05 20:10:09	mingdao	h4rd3n3D: I really only care to use Arch, Gentoo, or LFS these days.
2021-09-05 20:10:50	HEX0	I don't think kali or blackarch etc are meant to be used persistently 
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2021-09-05 20:24:31	[-_-]	Hi
2021-09-05 20:25:19	B4ckBOne	elloh o/
2021-09-05 20:25:36	[-_-]	IS there a command that can tell me when I last updated?
2021-09-05 20:25:48	[-_-]	i.e: pacman -Syu
2021-09-05 20:25:49	◣	rtypo (~alex@user/rtypo) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2021-09-05 20:26:05	Edu4rdSHL	See the pacman logs.
2021-09-05 20:27:34	tleydxdy[m]	anyone know why xdg-desktop-portal and xdg-desktop-portal-wlr depends on each other?
2021-09-05 20:28:05	[-_-]	okay
2021-09-05 20:28:24	Edu4rdSHL	[-_-], grep "pacman -Syu" /var/log/pacman.log |tail -1 should work
2021-09-05 20:30:47	[-_-]	Edu4rdSHL: thanks man
2021-09-05 20:31:53	mingdao	h4rd3n3D: Boot0002* Windows Boot Manager  HD(1,GPT,8971a946-cbd9-4db4-b1b2-a39ef45bc250,0x800,0x32000)/File(\EFI\MICROSOFT\BOOT\BOOTMGFW.EFI)WINDOWS
2021-09-05 20:31:55	Namarrgon	tleydxdy[m]: the first is the frontend, -wlr is one possible backend implementation
2021-09-05 20:31:56	mingdao	efibootmgr
2021-09-05 20:35:05	tleydxdy[m]	Namarrgon: yes, then why would wlr depend on xdg-desktop-portal?
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2021-09-05 20:38:45	mingdao	h4rd3n3D: `man 8 efibootmgr` several times ... anything in particular you want me to read today?
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2021-09-05 20:57:35	CarloWood	When DISPLAY is not set what is being used?
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2021-09-05 21:02:11	ayekat	CarloWood: what's the context?
2021-09-05 21:02:22	CarloWood	I guess the default is "unix:0.0", instead of what the documentation says, that it would use 'localhost'
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2021-09-05 21:03:51	CarloWood	ayekat: I am writing code that makes a new connection to the X server for every - well, new connection (as opposed to existing ones). I need to canonicalize the value of "DISPLAY" so that I can the same value/hash for the same connection.
2021-09-05 21:04:16	CarloWood	Ie, if some specifies ":0" that has to be transformed to "unix:0.0"
2021-09-05 21:04:44	CarloWood	Aka, if the "hostname" is omitted, what is the actual default that is used?
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2021-09-05 21:05:13	CarloWood	so that I get* the same..
2021-09-05 21:05:26	CarloWood	Ie, if someone* ..
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2021-09-05 21:07:13	raster	CalimeroTeknik: :0 == the local unix socket not via tcp.
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2021-09-05 21:10:12	rabbitnightmare	ok I am trying to get OBS Studio to work and I have pipewire installed but it will not capture the desktop
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2021-09-05 21:10:52	rabbitnightmare	and the webcam is frozen
2021-09-05 21:11:13	rabbitnightmare	I have tested this on other distribuitions including KDE Neon and it works fine
2021-09-05 21:11:16	rabbitnightmare	what am I missing
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2021-09-05 21:12:26	rabbitnightmare	I think, and I could be wrong, I am missing x264 
2021-09-05 21:13:19	rabbitnightmare	nope
2021-09-05 21:13:25	rabbitnightmare	please help
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2021-09-05 21:18:52	Namarrgon	tleydxdy[m]: good question. either the relation should be reversed or i don't understand how this is supposed to work
2021-09-05 21:19:33	Namarrgon	xdg-desktop-portal does depend on xdg-desktop-portal-impl
2021-09-05 21:19:49	Namarrgon	rabbitnightmare: wayland?
2021-09-05 21:19:59	rabbitnightmare	Namarrgon: iirs yes
2021-09-05 21:20:05	rabbitnightmare	but it works on other distros with wayland
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2021-09-05 21:20:28	Namarrgon	well, other distros come pre-magicked
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2021-09-05 21:20:48	rabbitnightmare	lol
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2021-09-05 21:21:04	rabbitnightmare	I just wanna know what magic words to put into terminal to make it work
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2021-09-05 21:22:45	tleydxdy[m]	have you checked the spell book aka archwiki?
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2021-09-06 17:25:28	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-09-06 17:25:28	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1325 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1324 normals)
2021-09-06 10:12:23	sheep	you should be able to just use mount
2021-09-06 10:14:35	j-james	ah, well that's embarrassing
2021-09-06 10:14:52	j-james	could have sworn i tried that
2021-09-06 10:48:18	berber	NetSysFire:  https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/faq.html#typeahead
2021-09-06 10:48:19	phrik	Title: XScreenSaver FAQ (at www.jwz.org)
2021-09-06 10:48:30	berber	it's an intended feature
2021-09-06 10:57:23	ulteq	!paste
2021-09-06 10:57:23	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-09-06 11:10:41	svartsol	I made it... I am in! (Matrix noice) putting on the sunglasses. I dont want cancer in my eye! (Yes, I am a uniEye).
2021-09-06 11:11:16	svartsol	So the reason I made this journey, is cause today is the day. It finally happend. This is THE day. I want to do something productive.
2021-09-06 11:11:56	NetSysFire	oh no
2021-09-06 11:12:35	svartsol	And I found a task, it is to try and make my finger reader on my laptop (Idea pad 15are05) to work. How do I start? The developers dont seem to keen in helping. Can I reverse engineer this EXE file that comes with win10?
2021-09-06 11:13:08	NetSysFire	did you read the wiki page for your laptop? also fingerprint reader driver reverse engineering is hard and takes much work
2021-09-06 11:13:27	NetSysFire	there may already be an in-progress driver which may be mentioned on said laptop page
2021-09-06 11:13:42	svartsol	I did read it indeed. And I figured that the reason it does not work is cause it is a great hassle. 
2021-09-06 11:14:38	NetSysFire	no, proprietary fingerprint reader driver reverse engineering is simply hard and maybe even risky because legal stuff if you release it
2021-09-06 11:14:54	NetSysFire	ask the fprintd devs to help you get started
2021-09-06 11:16:14	svartsol	the fprintd devs the original or is this another group? I did visit the Elan, Goodix, and they dont answer any questions regarding this. Simply throws it over to Lenovo.
2021-09-06 11:17:46	NetSysFire	the fprintd devs are the ones making open source fingerprint reader drivers for linux
2021-09-06 11:18:03	NetSysFire	so they may be able to help you here
2021-09-06 11:19:17	jelle	svartsol: seen? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fprint
2021-09-06 11:19:18	phrik	Title: fprint - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-06 11:21:58	SvartSol	Thank you guys. I will follow the thread from there!
2021-09-06 11:25:02	NetSysFire	more fingerprint reader driver experts are something that the linux community is in dire need of
2021-09-06 11:25:28	jelle	I doubt anyone uses them seriously
2021-09-06 11:31:36	ds-ac	svartsol: If the wiki page does not suit your needs, I think that Ubuntu installed with Gnome includes a fingerprint configurator. You might want to check the details (backend used) and adapt it for your Arch machine :)
2021-09-06 11:41:57	Gagis	ahoy! anyone got any idea about what could be missing when I am encoding video from OpenShot and it fails to include any audio track at all without outputting any error messages either? I noticed the version on AUR is not current at least but dunno if that matters
2021-09-06 11:44:46	Namarrgon	are you using the AUR version?
2021-09-06 11:46:26	demonicmaniac	NetSysFire: also often hampered by lacking firmware
2021-09-06 11:49:03	Gagis	oh sorry, no, I have the pacman version
2021-09-06 11:49:20	Gagis	also not current upstream but less outdated than aur
2021-09-06 11:49:46	Tazy	NetSysFire, fingerprints, are like writing your password on a piece of paper , making hunders of copies and throwing them everywhere you go... So can't say I miss it or use it 
2021-09-06 11:49:47	Gagis	it gives error messages when trying to pass invalid parameters to audio encoder but fails without error with correct parameters
2021-09-06 12:02:36	e2k	hmm, yt-dlp wants to pull like 500 haskell packages :(
2021-09-06 12:02:46	e2k	is this the only way?
2021-09-06 12:03:03	The-Compiler	e2k: the only yt-dlp dependency is python though?
2021-09-06 12:03:35	The-Compiler	huh, wait, my pacman is lying or I have an older version
2021-09-06 12:03:57	Tazy	its python 
2021-09-06 12:04:23	The-Compiler	Tazy: but its dependencies might not be
2021-09-06 12:04:38	The-Compiler	e2k: ah, it pulls in pandoc as a make dependency. Pandoc is great, though.
2021-09-06 12:05:52	The-Compiler	e2k: I suppose you could uninstall them after building yt-dlp
2021-09-06 12:07:49	e2k	ah okay, thanks The-Compiler, I'll look into it further
2021-09-06 12:08:59	sammyf	hey there. I have an old DELL vostro3500 with i5-430 here. as far as I know it has some sort of hybrid Nvidia GPU in there too. The Kubuntu Installer on another usb drive gets to the GUI, so I know it works okay. The Archlinux installer, on the other hand, goes right to kernel panic after the probing EDD line. I searched but couldn't find any info on how to get the installer to start correctly.
2021-09-06 12:09:01	sammyf	First time in at leat 50 Archlinux installs since 2007 that I'm really lost. Any ideas?
2021-09-06 12:22:37	Ingar	sammyf: boot installer with nomodeset?
2021-09-06 12:24:15	sammyf	got the sam result sadly :/
2021-09-06 12:24:20	sammyf	"same"
2021-09-06 12:28:17	sammyf	I also tried to increase the resolution to get the full kernel message, but any valid vga code results in just a black screen (invalid ones are caught and the prompt for a correct code appears, then it goes straight to black screen)
2021-09-06 12:28:55	sammyf	no (visible) Kernel Panic with non-standard resolutions though
2021-09-06 12:31:58	NetSysFire	Tazy jelle: i use them seriously, for passwordless authentication when i am logged in and when my device is unlocked anyways (lockscreen uses a password unless it has been less than 5 minutes after locking for convenience)
2021-09-06 12:32:39	NetSysFire	passwordless auth when i am logged in is really good because when you are logged in as me you can install a keylogger anyways but passwordless auth protects me against shouldersurfing and its convenient af
2021-09-06 12:33:12	Tazy	NetSysFire, rather get a Yubikey 
2021-09-06 12:46:15	NetSysFire	Tazy: i have one and use it for auth, too
2021-09-06 12:46:36	NetSysFire	but i prefer fingerprint since its just a simple tap and its done
2021-09-06 12:47:10	NetSysFire	same "value" of security
2021-09-06 12:48:11	Tazy	I disagree with that. Also once your fingerprint is compromised its for life. And there are a lot of people that have issues with getting it read
2021-09-06 12:51:58	DingDong	hello ppl :) im looking for help to activate my bluetooth on a thinkpad x220; manjaro-linux; german or english; am i right here or can u recommand another irc for my request?
2021-09-06 12:52:27	Tazy	!manjaro
2021-09-06 12:52:27	phrik	manjaro does things differently from arch, so we can't really support it. ask in #manjaro on freenode.net, or in #manjaro or #linux on libera.chat
2021-09-06 12:52:44	DingDong	thx for the hint :)
2021-09-06 12:53:05	NetSysFire	Tazy: nah. if you are at my unlocked device and can run code as me its over
2021-09-06 12:53:18	NetSysFire	no yubikey will help against that
2021-09-06 12:53:19	Tazy	DingDong, but also check the list of supported laptop models, I know my thinkpad's BT isn't supported 
2021-09-06 12:54:09	DingDong	it allready worked for a long time, but not anymore.. so im confused a lot 
2021-09-06 12:54:13	Tazy	NetSysFire, if they have your device, and the guy really wants to get it, he can lift a fingerprint as well 
2021-09-06 12:54:36	NetSysFire	it doesnt matter in this case
2021-09-06 12:54:58	NetSysFire	we are not talking about a locked device, we are talking about something where you can just open a terminal
2021-09-06 12:55:31	NetSysFire	no root privs but you can still exec code and compromise stuff and even infect the device with keyloggers etc. it would make sense if the device is locked, which is not the case here
2021-09-06 12:55:48	NetSysFire	its easier just opening a terminal and compromising stuff than getting my fingerprint to get sudo
2021-09-06 13:28:19	jelle	NetSysFire: haven't seen much laptops with fingerprint readers
2021-09-06 13:29:54	Mysterytrain	if you got a stolen laptop you just open it up pull the storage and get in that way. no need to bother with fp readers
2021-09-06 13:30:16	thrice	my personal & work thinkpad do
2021-09-06 13:31:23	jelle	thrice: what model :o
2021-09-06 13:33:33	thrice	my work machine is a monster, P71 or something.  couch lapy is an X1 carbon
2021-09-06 13:34:05	thrice	new framework laptops have them, iirc?
2021-09-06 13:34:23	⚡ 	jelle feels bad for thrice having a P71 :p
2021-09-06 13:34:37	thrice	causes back pain
2021-09-06 13:34:43	jelle	lol
2021-09-06 13:35:03	Namarrgon	it also causes wallet pain if you have to buy it yourself
2021-09-06 13:35:29	jelle	I would not understand employees buying it, I guess if you have to do gpu stuff?
2021-09-06 13:35:35	thrice	they are standard issue for engineers & CAD people
2021-09-06 13:37:40	jelle	thrice: so gpu it is :)
2021-09-06 13:46:25	Danilo82	In the Grim Darkness of the far future, Element-desktop hasn't been updated yet
2021-09-06 13:48:43	thrice	!panic
2021-09-06 13:48:43	phrik	http://eured.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/oh-noes-everybody-panic.gif
2021-09-06 14:00:26	j0hannes	I lost my GUI since plasmashell won't run anymore. I'm wondering how to find out which part of the system is the culprit. The error message I get is: kf.coreaddons: no metadata found in "" "The shared library was not found."
2021-09-06 14:02:24	NetSysFire	!give jelle aw dell latitude 3500
2021-09-06 14:02:25	phrik	jelle: Dell Latitude 3500 - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dell_Latitude_3500
2021-09-06 14:02:26	NetSysFire	:P
2021-09-06 14:47:15	mingdao	h4rd3n3D: pin
2021-09-06 14:47:32	mingdao	s/pin/ping  ;)
2021-09-06 14:55:43	VinnySauce	hi all, having problems with launching Cantata (QT5) on Wayland. any ideas?
2021-09-06 14:56:04	VinnySauce	I get the following: "Failed to create wl_display (No such file or directory)"
2021-09-06 15:06:08	VinnySauce	protip: check that you're using Wayland before complaining that programs aren't starting with Wayland...
2021-09-06 15:06:38	NetSysFire	hah
2021-09-06 15:10:49	Danilo82	wayland will never be good
2021-09-06 15:11:12	thrice	OK
2021-09-06 15:11:17	thurstylark	keep thinking that lol
2021-09-06 15:11:19	jelle	hot take!
2021-09-06 15:17:00	Gagis	ahoy! anyone got any idea about what could be missing when I am encoding video from OpenShot and it fails to include any audio track at all without outputting any error messages either? Trying to input obviously false audio parameters does result in error but with seemingly correct settings it fails to produce an audio track entirely without outputting any complaints.
2021-09-06 15:19:23	mingdao	h4rd3n3D: Got a short minute for a query?
2021-09-06 15:19:39	NetSysFire	Gagis: did you try running it in your terminal with possibly increased verbosity?
2021-09-06 15:20:48	Gagis	yes to terminal but no to verbosity. ill check if it has a flag for that
2021-09-06 15:21:34	Gagis	no verbosity parameters :(
2021-09-06 15:24:09	Gagis	currently considering recording audio with a different application from preview output and mashing them together with something else, which is just so janky its painful. next step after that would be to start from scratch to cut the clips in kdenlive instead. at some point doing it all over again will be less work than trying to debug a buggy software
2021-09-06 15:42:18	Danilo82	to edit videos just use ffmpeg or blender 3d 🥱 
2021-09-06 15:42:57	Gagis	I have blender, kdenlive and shotcut installed but its a bit late now
2021-09-06 15:43:07	Gagis	the project was done by the time I realized openshot is garbage
2021-09-06 15:43:27	Gagis	absolutely no clue on how one'd do it with plain ffmpeg
2021-09-06 15:44:12	NetSysFire	i'd report a bug perhaps but they dont seem to have an irc channel anymore
2021-09-06 15:45:30	Danilo82	ffmpeg is easy, don't even need to click in stuff
2021-09-06 15:46:28	Gagis	I can encode with ffmpeg but using it to cut a few dozen clips and join them together sounds like an extremely painful job unless I'm missing something totally obvious
2021-09-06 15:48:29	GabCM	I believe you can list video files in a text file and load that into ffmpeg
2021-09-06 15:48:39	Danilo82	.just play the video with ffplay, go to the part you want to cut, press S to move frame by frame and when you find what you want just tell "-ss "number here" -to "other number here", if you don't need to specify the starting frame you can just use -to
2021-09-06 15:49:04	GabCM	yeah that's pretty much the way to cut in ffmpeg
2021-09-06 15:50:02	Danilo82	then what is the problem? just -i what you need, use hardware acceleration if you can to speed things up
2021-09-06 15:50:16	Gagis	Feels like this is something that a GUI software reeeeeaaallly is the better option for. I'll just use kdenlive or blender the next time. Just got to try to salvage the work thats already been done by now
2021-09-06 15:50:34	Gagis	the work is already done within openshot and I'm not eager to spend another evening doing it again
2021-09-06 15:51:03	GabCM	for a quick'n dirty cut I used mpv to see where I'm going and getting timecodes for ffmpeg
2021-09-06 15:51:26	Danilo82	i wish blender 3d devs added vaapi support
2021-09-06 15:51:52	GabCM	I'm even surprised Blender of all things is being considered a video editing tool
2021-09-06 15:52:23	GabCM	I'm no 3D modeler so I didn't pay attention to that software much
2021-09-06 15:52:51	Gagis	its what people use to make animated movies so it has a pretty powerful suite for editing too. too powerful for my needs but at least it ought to be very dependable
2021-09-06 15:52:53	Danilo82	its a really good video editor, i think its even better than kdenlive
2021-09-06 15:53:13	GabCM	damn that's crazy
2021-09-06 15:53:16	GabCM	good to know
2021-09-06 15:53:47	NetSysFire	also crude image editing tool
2021-09-06 15:53:53	NetSysFire	i mean in theory you could even use blender to edit pdfs
2021-09-06 15:54:11	demonicmaniac	also crude game engine
2021-09-06 15:54:20	GabCM	yeah I've heard of Blender as a game engine
2021-09-06 15:54:22	NetSysFire	they removed that
2021-09-06 15:54:23	demonicmaniac	has its own builtin python based game engine you can export games as
2021-09-06 15:54:27	demonicmaniac	oh huh
2021-09-06 15:54:31	NetSysFire	its obsolete
2021-09-06 15:54:45	Danilo82	DT made a video teaching abut Kdenlive and it was ridiculous, everything he did was super slow compared to blender 3d, i wanted to make a video for him showing the same stuff made easy in blender 3d, but meh procrastination and ADHD didn't help
2021-09-06 15:54:55	NetSysFire	demonicmaniac: they recommend godot as an alternative
2021-09-06 15:55:30	GabCM	for image editing I'd stick with gimp tho
2021-09-06 15:55:59	Danilo82	blender has an horrible image editor, for years i have asking them to work more on it 
2021-09-06 15:56:45	NetSysFire	i mean with nodes you modify images and its incredibly powerful but not a traditional image editor
2021-09-06 16:03:08	th0rne	I'm sure the "work more on it" feature request was appreciated by the blender team.
2021-09-06 16:03:38	Danilo82	they are stupid
2021-09-06 16:03:40	thrice	"This free software isn't up to my standards, try harder"
2021-09-06 16:04:01	th0rne	^^
2021-09-06 16:04:46	Danilo82	i have made many posts explaining what could be done for blender 3d, the anwrs i get are "but new features are good" and "the software is opensource why don't you do it?"
2021-09-06 16:05:18	Danilo82	its just more and more code being added and the older code never gets worked on ever again
2021-09-06 16:06:15	mingdao	h4rd3n3D: sent the query ... over in window 28  ;)
2021-09-06 16:06:29	thrice	Danilo82: you should help out, then, rather than asking others to do the work for you
2021-09-06 16:07:04	GabCM	tbh the way I see open source software is that I either contribute if I can or I accept it like it is
2021-09-06 16:07:16	Danilo82	i can't code, the only thing i can to is explain a problem and how this problem could be fixed
2021-09-06 16:08:13	thrice	well, you shouldn't call those who can and do code "stupid"
2021-09-06 16:10:44	Danilo82	well if i'm trying to explain a problem that is "adding more code isn't a good idea if you don't work in the old code" and the answer0 i get is "but new thing good", they sound stupid to me
2021-09-06 16:11:14	Foxboron	...
2021-09-06 16:11:17	Foxboron	#Users
2021-09-06 16:11:25	Tom^	#lusers
2021-09-06 16:11:29	thrice	well, if someone were trying to tell me how to donate my time to work on software, without helping, I'd probably think they sound stupid, too :)
2021-09-06 16:11:31	Foxboron	!grab Tom^
2021-09-06 16:11:31	phrik	Foxboron: Tada!
2021-09-06 16:11:46	Foxboron	thrice: Oy, I have a couple hundred lines of code I need you to write
2021-09-06 16:11:57	Danilo82	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_creep
2021-09-06 16:11:58	Foxboron	it's more important then whatever nonesense you are working on
2021-09-06 16:11:58	phrik	Title: Feature creep - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2021-09-06 16:12:06	ds-ac	j/clear
2021-09-06 16:12:11	ds-ac	Oup, sorry
2021-09-06 16:12:16	Foxboron	Danilo82: and how isn't your requests feature creeps?
2021-09-06 16:12:18	Tom^	!give Foxboron Tom^6
2021-09-06 16:12:18	phrik	Foxboron: http://i.imgur.com/hAI1l3X.jpg
2021-09-06 16:12:24	Tom^	Foxboron: :>
2021-09-06 16:12:37	thrice	:D
2021-09-06 16:12:45	Foxboron	Danilo82: labeling the features you deem "non-important" feature creeps, and the ones you think are worth it "time well spent" isn't how this works.
2021-09-06 16:12:47	jelle	this discussion is going nowhere....
2021-09-06 16:12:57	Danilo82	my request is "give more time working on what you already have and make it better"
2021-09-06 16:12:57	Foxboron	Tom^: hah
2021-09-06 16:12:57	Tom^	jelle: is anyone discussing anything?
2021-09-06 16:13:22	jelle	Tom^: yes
2021-09-06 16:13:29	thrice	Danilo82: sure, but the point is, you trying to dictate how someone spends their time working on software is pretty silly
2021-09-06 16:13:44	thrice	yeah, sorry, this is offtopic, and it seems like I can't make my point clear enough
2021-09-06 16:15:18	Danilo82	but adding new things and forgeting about the older tools only make things bad, blender didn't evolve, many tools are so behind compared to other softwares like maya or that other one from autodesk 
2021-09-06 16:15:35	Danilo82	3dmax
2021-09-06 16:15:49	NetSysFire	#blender btw
2021-09-06 16:16:07	Foxboron	Danilo82: and which of those 3 products has the least work hours applied?
2021-09-06 16:17:41	Danilo82	dunno, but maya and 3dmax have enough, what it needs, blender only gets bug fixes and new features
2021-09-06 16:18:54	HuntsMan	Danilo82: if you can't code, you can always pay people to implement features you want
2021-09-06 16:19:52	Danilo82	the problem isn't that, you aren't understanding what i mean
2021-09-06 16:21:29	earnestly	alad: https://0x0.st/-wSt.txt
2021-09-06 16:21:36	Scimmia	Danilo82: everyone understands what you mean. The problem is that people who don't contribute don't get to dictate things
2021-09-06 16:22:03	d3ph4u17	i got this bluetooth v5 usb dongle,and it registers as the infamous CSR dongle,it gets detected in lsusb,shows up in rfkill,gets powered on in bluetoothctl but can't detect any devices
2021-09-06 16:22:31	d3ph4u17	i have the latest kernel and *it seems* that all the patches work on it
2021-09-06 16:23:14	Cirrus_Minor	maybe need firmware/driver
2021-09-06 16:23:25	d3ph4u17	nothing like that provided
2021-09-06 16:23:27	Danilo82	i can't contribute more than warning about this problem, there will be a point when adding more features will be impractical 
2021-09-06 16:23:34	Cirrus_Minor	u have linux-firmware installed ?
2021-09-06 16:23:50	d3ph4u17	yes
2021-09-06 16:24:10	Scimmia	Danilo82: s/can't/won't
2021-09-06 16:24:28	d3ph4u17	as i said,it shows up everywhere but just doesn't detect any devices
2021-09-06 16:24:40	d3ph4u17	no interesting logs in dmesg or anything like that too
2021-09-06 16:25:13	Danilo82	i can't code
2021-09-06 16:25:18	Danilo82	i can't help
2021-09-06 16:25:22	Scimmia	you can learn
2021-09-06 16:25:28	d3ph4u17	[ 2046.014116] Bluetooth: hci0: CSR: Unbranded CSR clone detected; adding workarounds...
2021-09-06 16:25:33	jelle	Scimmia: please. this discussion was over some time ago
2021-09-06 16:25:35	d3ph4u17	oh well i guess this shows up
2021-09-06 16:25:43	d3ph4u17	it *is* a CSR clone after all
2021-09-06 16:25:49	Danilo82	i can't, i have adhd and am unable to learn to code
2021-09-06 16:26:15	Cirrus_Minor	nonsense many best hackers have adhd
2021-09-06 16:26:21	jelle	Cirrus_Minor: dude :)
2021-09-06 16:26:32	Cirrus_Minor	:)
2021-09-06 16:26:49	d3ph4u17	i don't see anywhere on the adhd symptom list the symptom "can't code"
2021-09-06 16:26:52	jelle	if you want to help Danilo82, pm him with some useful advice
2021-09-06 16:27:13	NetSysFire	jelle: i want arch to support arm and the most i am willing to pay is 2 bucks for a coffee
2021-09-06 16:27:34	jelle	NetSysFire: hi troll :)
2021-09-06 16:27:49	GabCM	install gentoo I guess
2021-09-06 16:27:53	GabCM	:)
2021-09-06 16:28:11	earnestly	NetSysFire: "alarm developers" distracted-boyfriend.jpeg
2021-09-06 16:28:33	d3ph4u17	anyone got any idea for my problem? I've looked at the bug tracker and the issues seem to be resolved
2021-09-06 16:28:52	Foxboron	d3ph4u17: there is a bug in 5.14 with bluetooth
2021-09-06 16:29:03	Foxboron	d3ph4u17: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/72032
2021-09-06 16:29:04	phrik	Title: FS#72032 : [linux] regression prevents bluetooth from working on 5.14 with some chips (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2021-09-06 16:29:14	Danilo82	people whit adhd have dificulty learning
2021-09-06 16:29:32	d3ph4u17	i'm on 5.13
2021-09-06 16:29:40	d3ph4u17	5.13.13 to be exact
2021-09-06 16:29:44	Foxboron	d3ph4u17: hmm, there has been some weird bluetooth regressions lately :/
2021-09-06 16:30:40	d3ph4u17	i've been trying to make bluetooth work for a while on my pc,first i tried the builtin to my motherboard ar3011 dongle but it had firmware issues,now this unbranded dongle that just can't detect devices
2021-09-06 16:31:35	d3ph4u17	i mean i had a problem where some usb things won't work with usb 3.0 so lemme try plug the adapater into a 2.0 port
2021-09-06 16:34:18	d3ph4u17	ok i managed to get the device and pair with it
2021-09-06 16:34:24	d3ph4u17	but now connection fails
2021-09-06 16:34:30	d3ph4u17	org.bluez.Error.Failed
2021-09-06 16:35:17	d3ph4u17	src/service.c:btd_service_connect() a2dp-sink profile connect failed for 1C:91:9D:5C:08:2B: Protocol not available
2021-09-06 16:35:30	Foxboron	pipewire or pulseaudio?
2021-09-06 16:35:40	d3ph4u17	pulse
2021-09-06 16:36:05	Danilo82	asla
2021-09-06 16:36:08	Danilo82	alas
2021-09-06 16:36:10	Danilo82	açsa
2021-09-06 16:36:12	Danilo82	alsa
2021-09-06 16:36:21	Danilo82	(y) 
2021-09-06 16:36:22	Foxboron	It's being detected as some sound device... not sure why
2021-09-06 16:36:32	d3ph4u17	i need pulse because of discord
2021-09-06 16:36:44	jelle	Danilo82: please, don't behave like this here
2021-09-06 16:36:54	d3ph4u17	oh wait
2021-09-06 16:36:57	jelle	d3ph4u17: do you have pulseaudio-bluetooth?
2021-09-06 16:37:04	d3ph4u17	yeah i just found out about it
2021-09-06 16:37:07	d3ph4u17	lemme try again
2021-09-06 16:37:12	earnestly	sound and discord could be punny
2021-09-06 16:37:16	Foxboron	Reading the wiki always help... :)
2021-09-06 16:37:58	d3ph4u17	yes i read the troubleshooting section for bluetooth headset
2021-09-06 16:39:18	d3ph4u17	now it tried to connect infinitely
2021-09-06 16:39:22	d3ph4u17	tries*
2021-09-06 16:39:37	d3ph4u17	oh wait no that's my headphones giving up on connection
2021-09-06 16:39:38	d3ph4u17	lol
2021-09-06 16:40:06	d3ph4u17	now it works
2021-09-06 16:40:08	d3ph4u17	thanks
2021-09-06 16:40:18	bloodfart69	I'm trying to configure crossfire for both my radeon rx570. The catalyst drivers are no longer updated and it had a tool within it called aticonfig. I installed opencl-amd (aur) and clinfo. I want to know if I am missing A step, such as manually configuring it with a tool, or installing opencl-amd aur suffices? 
2021-09-06 16:43:38	bloodfart69	What I mean by manually configuring is running similar expression via https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=163542
2021-09-06 16:43:39	phrik	Title: Crossfire Troubles / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-09-06 16:47:30	bloodfart69	aticonfig doesn't exist not that I know of. It only exists in old repos such as vi0l0 I think it was?
2021-09-06 17:25:29	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-09-06 17:25:41	ℹ 	Eres conocido ahora como teraflops
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2021-09-06 17:28:41	Hello71	https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-CrossFire-mGPU
2021-09-06 17:28:42	phrik	Title: AMD Rebrands CrossFire As Just mGPU - Phoronix (at www.phoronix.com)
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2021-09-06 17:29:30	Hello71	installing opencl won't speed up your vidya
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2021-09-06 17:35:27	Danilo82	i wish element-desktop was updates
2021-09-06 17:35:49	Danilo82	updated*
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2021-09-06 17:36:34	jelle	Danilo82: I wish you some patience :)
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2021-09-06 17:37:49	Danilo82	its been 21 days
2021-09-06 17:37:53	jelle	Danilo82: you have complained about it 4 times in the last month, so I kindly ask you to flag it out of date and stop complaining
2021-09-06 17:38:14	jelle	if the complaining doesn't stop, I'm afraid I'll have to mute you
2021-09-06 17:38:16	Danilo82	https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/element-desktop/
2021-09-06 17:38:19	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - element-desktop 1.7.34-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2021-09-06 17:38:35	Danilo82	"Flagged out-of-date on 2021-08-16"
2021-09-06 17:38:47	jelle	Danilo82: yes, this is still complaining :)
2021-09-06 17:38:56	Danilo82	sorry cute
2021-09-06 17:39:02	Danilo82	i won't do it again
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2021-09-06 17:49:14	Namarrgon	bloodfart69: there's no crossfire support in the oss drivers, and amdgpu-pro likely doesn't support it either
2021-09-06 17:49:37	Namarrgon	and that bbs thread is eight years old
2021-09-06 17:49:51	Namarrgon	it's not worth it either way
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2021-09-06 18:03:53	mingdao	While GPU are being discussed, I have an Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) and would like to get some video card to use 4 screens.  Any recommendation?
2021-09-06 18:04:36	◣	obale (~obale@user/obale) ha salido (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2021-09-06 18:05:28	AlexC	any modern gpu will do that task
2021-09-06 18:05:33	AlexC	if you able to buy one
2021-09-06 18:05:47	AlexC	3 dp 1 hdmi
2021-09-06 18:05:51	AlexC	thats pretty common
2021-09-06 18:06:16	Gagis	thats a pretty large if, but yes
2021-09-06 18:06:50	mingdao	By 'able to buy' do you mean the cost, or availability?
2021-09-06 18:06:57	niki	yes
2021-09-06 18:07:00	AlexC	both
2021-09-06 18:07:01	mingdao	k
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2021-09-06 18:07:47	mingdao	I imagined such, and have looked.  But I don't know which make/model is least expensive but good enough.  No gaming ... just terminals and a few GUI apps.
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2021-09-06 18:08:25	mingdao	Nor which chipset ... I think Intel, as much as I dislike them, still work best in Linux?
2021-09-06 18:08:47	AlexC	you not gonna find intel dedicated gpu's just yet
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2021-09-06 18:09:03	AlexC	so your choice will be amd or nvidia
2021-09-06 18:09:12	mingdao	This is a board to plug into the mobo I mentioned, not dedicated GPU.
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2021-09-06 18:09:24	mingdao	I don't intend to change this board any time soon.
2021-09-06 18:09:29	AlexC	a, what?
2021-09-06 18:09:42	mingdao	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI)
2021-09-06 18:09:50	AlexC	thats an ATX motherboard
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2021-09-06 18:09:52	AlexC	so?
2021-09-06 18:10:01	HEX0	mingdao: you mean the board has hdmi port?
2021-09-06 18:10:42	rcf	mingdao: my rx560 works quite well and has four outputs. 
2021-09-06 18:10:58	◣	Danilo82 (~Danilo82@190.89.245.60) ha salido (Quit: Client closed)
2021-09-06 18:11:42	rcf	mingdao: also keep in mind that nowadays you can share outputs between GPUs so the motherboard ones will still work fine 
2021-09-06 18:12:06	AlexC	which is kinda broken under linux, so don't go that way
2021-09-06 18:12:07	AlexC	:D
2021-09-06 18:12:15	AlexC	i had terrible experience with it
2021-09-06 18:12:43	rcf	My experience has been excellent. 
2021-09-06 18:12:56	HEX0	compare your hardwares
2021-09-06 18:13:02	AlexC	and being an x570 board, which is amd, the choices for an APU is really thin
2021-09-06 18:13:03	rcf	intel+amd
2021-09-06 18:13:13	AlexC	mine intel + nvidia, that was the reason
2021-09-06 18:13:14	AlexC	:P
2021-09-06 18:13:29	HEX0	intel integrated graphics + amd pci add in card GPU ?
2021-09-06 18:13:34	rcf	Indeed. 
2021-09-06 18:13:49	AlexC	can work together, mine refused working at all
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2021-09-06 18:14:13	rcf	I have driven a total of six displays with it, though for practical purposes I don't actually do that now. 
2021-09-06 18:14:26	AlexC	maybe time will solve, i don't care really
2021-09-06 18:14:42	AlexC	mine is pretty recent hardware, so probably driver issues still
2021-09-06 18:14:44	HEX0	lol maybe it works with nouveau
2021-09-06 18:14:52	AlexC	rtx3070 and 10th gen intel crap
2021-09-06 18:14:56	Gagis	if you don't need it for gaming or CAD work or anything, pretty much anything new and passively cooled with enough ports will do. those actually are available and not super expensive
2021-09-06 18:14:59	◥	Danilo82 (~Danilo82@190.89.245.60) has joined #archlinux
2021-09-06 18:15:13	Gagis	its the gaming and mining stuff thats simply not available unless you pay like 4x MSRP or more
2021-09-06 18:15:46	rcf	The whole market has shifted up in price as people resort to buying older and less capable cards out of necessity. 
2021-09-06 18:15:59	rcf	I would make a nice profit on my card if I were to sell it now 
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2021-09-06 18:16:13	AlexC	i can sell mine double the price if I want to now
2021-09-06 18:16:18	AlexC	:D
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2021-09-06 18:17:34	Gagis	yeah I postponed purchasing a used 1080 or something until they get a bit cheaper and I have a bit more money
2021-09-06 18:17:39	Gagis	oh was that a HUGE mistake
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2021-09-06 18:17:53	Gagis	maybe I'll upgrade my GPU in two years from now
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2021-09-06 18:18:20	AlexC	well, looks like the prices gonna stay like this through next year also..
2021-09-06 18:18:30	chrono	its pretty sad
2021-09-06 18:18:35	AlexC	yep
2021-09-06 18:18:44	AlexC	everything is paper launch nowdays
2021-09-06 18:18:49	AlexC	and the prices up to the roof
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2021-09-06 18:19:26	f1refly	i want to create a systemd unit file where a service is launched with user privileges (User=x,Group=x) and i want to write to that users runtime dir, but systemd is resolving %t to /run/ since the unit is enabled globally
2021-09-06 18:19:38	f1refly	how would i make it use the user runtime dir where i can write?
2021-09-06 18:22:01	grazzolini	f1refly: I'm smelling a xy problem
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2021-09-06 18:22:35	f1refly	if that was a joke i'm not clever enough to get it
2021-09-06 18:23:20	grazzolini	!give f1refly xy
2021-09-06 18:23:22	phrik	f1refly: What exactly are you trying to do? http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=542341
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2021-09-06 18:24:47	f1refly	oh, okay. well, my problem is that i want to lauch two containers and a pod with podman. i set it up and generated the unit files with 'podman generate systemd', then moved those to /etc/systemd/system/
2021-09-06 18:25:20	DF32	Hey! I want to dual-boot windows + arch (windows already installed), but I have a newbie doubt: by installing arch is there something I could do that would mess up hardware, like installing some wrong drivers that would mess up with firmware of the hardware? 
2021-09-06 18:25:48	f1refly	i set the user to x and the group to x, the user under which i set the whole thing up. thit doesn't work because podman tries to write the pid files to /run which is not possible with user x privileges
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2021-09-06 18:26:11	DF32	Idk about wrong software installation, I can just erase the disk and start over. My problem is if there is anything that would mess up hardware
2021-09-06 18:26:16	DF32	*idc
2021-09-06 18:26:27	f1refly	so i thought the solution to this is to point the pid files to the users runtime dir, but if you have a better suggestion i'd welcome it
2021-09-06 18:27:19	grazzolini	f1refly: podman runs entirely on userspace. so, you should use systemd user units instead
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2021-09-06 18:29:25	grazzolini	f1refly: the other option is running podman as root
2021-09-06 18:29:32	f1refly	grazzolini: yes, but then my unit file won't start on boot, rigth?
2021-09-06 18:29:55	f1refly	probably best to run it as root then..
2021-09-06 18:30:13	Namarrgon	you can have global user-units
2021-09-06 18:30:31	Namarrgon	and if you enable linger on that user account you can start units for it on boot
2021-09-06 18:30:41	grazzolini	f1refly: you can enable lingering on systemd and you can run user units with that
2021-09-06 18:30:48	grazzolini	Namarrgon: =D
2021-09-06 18:31:11	grazzolini	Namarrgon: I think his issue is that the user service isn't running so he can't use /run/<uid>
2021-09-06 18:31:13	Namarrgon	DF32: don't remove anything from the ESP or any other windows filesystems and there's no much risk of damage
2021-09-06 18:31:36	f1refly	oh, that'd be great. are you spoonfeeding me how to do it with lingering or should i read it up myself?
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2021-09-06 18:31:49	Namarrgon	grazzolini: yeah, it's not mounted before login
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2021-09-06 18:33:47	grazzolini	f1refly: at this point I'm asking why you're not running the containers as root?
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2021-09-06 18:35:25	f1refly	honestly because i set the whole thing up as user and i'm not entirely sure how to move podman volumes without breaking them
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2021-09-06 18:37:24	DF32	@Namarrgon Risk of hardware problems by deleting windows files? O.o
2021-09-06 18:37:40	grazzolini	f1refly: afaik, you can simply move them and update the container definition and that's it.
2021-09-06 18:37:47	grazzolini	f1refly: also you can always use docker
2021-09-06 18:37:47	Namarrgon	DF32: risk of windows problems by deleting windows files
2021-09-06 18:37:48	grazzolini	=D
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2021-09-06 18:38:57	Namarrgon	DF32: there's a insignificant risk of bricking the system by deleting the wrong efivars but who'd go and do that?
2021-09-06 18:39:18	Namarrgon	but that's not exactly a linus problem
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2021-09-06 18:39:21	Namarrgon	*linux
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2021-09-06 18:40:13	f1refly	grazzolini: i think i have to unown the dir with the new user as well?
2021-09-06 18:40:20	f1refly	ah fuck it, i'll just try
2021-09-06 18:40:31	f1refly	worst case i have to set the application up again
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2021-09-06 18:42:01	DF32	@Namarrgon Ohh, you were scaring me.. Thats not a problem, I only use it for games, can just re-install... I'm just afraid of messing up hardware...
2021-09-06 18:42:11	DF32	thanks for the help
2021-09-06 18:42:17	Namarrgon	that's unlikely to happen via software
2021-09-06 18:43:57	HEX0	AlexC: prices might get worse next year, cause TSMC wants to increase prices by 20%
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2021-09-06 18:47:10	ℹ 	Donatzsky_ es conocido ahora como Donatzsky
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2021-09-06 18:47:38	mingdao	Sorry, guys, I was afk.  Had to change out one of the screens, as when I unlock after overnight, the bottom left is dark ... actually most of the screen.
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2021-09-06 18:48:23	mingdao	So now I have 2 Samsung 23" screens.  Only I can't get them both as white; one on the left is always kinda yellow tinted.
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2021-09-06 18:48:45	mingdao	I've adjusted the settings on the monitor every way possible, and it never gets white in GUI apps.
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2021-09-06 18:50:41	morteza24	!paste
2021-09-06 18:50:41	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2021-09-06 18:51:33	mingdao	My present video card is https://www.pny.com/pny-geforce-gtx-1650-super-single-fan
2021-09-06 18:51:36	phrik	Title: PNY GeForce® GTX 1650 SUPER™ Single Fan (at www.pny.com)
2021-09-06 18:52:20	mingdao	https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/TUF-Gaming/TUF-GAMING-X570-PLUS-WI-FI/techspec/
2021-09-06 18:52:22	phrik	Title: TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) - Tech Specs｜Motherboards｜ASUS USA (at www.asus.com)
2021-09-06 18:53:08	mingdao	mobo has one DP and one HDMI
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2021-09-06 18:53:26	bloodfart69	So basically I am sol on crossfire support for now. Fair enough I guess. I'm getting errors with my radeon rx570, (TMZ), and my only conclusion I came to is either my cards don't support it literally, or secureboot is causing that error. Is there a workaround to have secureboot and uefi? Proof stated here and what TMZ is: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=260919 
2021-09-06 18:53:28	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] amdgpu(?) problem on HP ProBook 455 G7 / Laptop Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2021-09-06 18:54:24	teraflops	the workaround is to actually set it up?
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2021-09-06 19:01:17	morteza24	!ix
2021-09-06 19:01:17	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2021-09-06 19:01:19	HEX0	mingdao: you would need one of those ryzen apus with vega graphics to make use of those mobo ports. but as someone mentioned it may be FUBAR with nvidia
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2021-09-06 19:05:12	Hello71	bloodfart69: so you are doing an XYZ problem?
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2021-09-06 19:09:08	mingdao	HEX0: I wonder if the mobo GPU might be better than my card?
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2021-09-06 19:10:15	mingdao	It's specs state Multi-GPU Support 
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2021-09-06 19:13:36	bloodfart69	I guess. I searched for a workaround without disabling secureboot with no luck
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2021-09-06 19:16:04	HEX0	bloodfart69: you're currently signing kernel and bootloader for secure boot?
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2021-09-06 19:17:38	teraflops	I understood the opposite
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2021-09-06 19:20:51	bloodfart69	I haven't yet. If I were too sign the keys to my kernel, the errors such as TMZ probably won't go away. More likely has anyone able to boot with uefi and secureboot with radeon hardware?  
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2021-09-06 19:21:34	Foxboron	bloodfart69: self-enrolled keys or shim?
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2021-09-06 19:26:42	tusko	did you check `uname -r` yet?
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2021-09-06 19:26:57	Foxboron	Unrelated problem
2021-09-06 19:28:02	bloodfart69	TPM and my own keys is what I was thinking on doing.
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2021-09-06 19:28:42	Foxboron	bloodfart69: then you need to enroll the OEM keys. The issue is that the external gfx card has signed OPROM that can't be validated by your keys
2021-09-06 19:29:01	Foxboron	you can confirm this by checking the tpm eventlog for something like BOOT_SERVICE_DRIVER
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2021-09-06 19:30:53	bloodfart69	I will do that. Thank you 
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2021-09-06 19:34:27	morteza24	I installed elasticsearch, following archwiki, but it fails to start
2021-09-06 19:34:44	morteza24	this is the output of "journalctl -xeu elasticsearch": http://ix.io/3y8d
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2021-09-06 19:36:16	morteza24	I have jdk11-openjdk installed. Also, I didn't change elasticsearch's config file at all; just ran "elasticsearch-keystore create" as wiki said
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2021-09-06 19:40:53	Namarrgon	do you need the ML stuff? have you tried disabling it?
2021-09-06 19:41:20	Namarrgon	wtf does it write logs to /usr/share...
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2021-09-06 19:54:15	sqrt	How can I lower my resolution on X11 without also scaling? Basically, what I'm saying, is I want black bars around the unused sections of the screen.
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2021-09-06 19:58:35	grazzolini	sqrt: hidpi?
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2021-09-06 20:01:19	olf-folks	sqrt: what are you trying to do?
2021-09-06 20:02:28	sqrt	olf-folks lowering my resolution without scaling, which will stretch it and make a blurry mess
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2021-09-06 20:03:08	thurstylark	 we understand that much, the question is why is that a thing you want?
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2021-09-06 20:06:52	sqrt	thurstylark I want to use my computer at a lower resolution.
2021-09-06 20:07:07	ethanv2	Bad performance?
2021-09-06 20:07:24	sqrt	Sometimes
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2021-09-06 20:07:48	thurstylark	oh my god, yes. duh. for what reasons?
2021-09-06 20:07:53	another|	so.. just lower the resolution
2021-09-06 20:07:56	mingdao	sqrt: What resolution are you using now?
2021-09-06 20:08:08	sqrt	1440p
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2021-09-06 20:08:32	mingdao	xrandr | grep '*'
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2021-09-06 20:08:48	teraflops	why do you think lowering the resolution does scaling?
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2021-09-06 20:09:18	sqrt	Last time I lowered my resolution it stretched instead of using black bars.
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2021-09-06 20:09:31	ethanv2	I think you can do this by setting it to a resolution that uses 4:3
2021-09-06 20:09:33	sqrt	I'm guessing that's the default behavior.
2021-09-06 20:09:41	teraflops	so set the monitor settibg to fit your liking
2021-09-06 20:09:49	teraflops	settings
2021-09-06 20:10:13	teraflops	those physical monitor buttons
2021-09-06 20:10:33	thurstylark	hint: if you can tell us what problems you're trying to solve with this, we might have better suggestions
2021-09-06 20:10:40	thurstylark	which is why we keep asking
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2021-09-06 20:10:59	mingdao	sqrt: You have 2560 × 1440 pixels in a 16:9 ?
2021-09-06 20:11:20	teraflops	I'd suggest playing with dpi
2021-09-06 20:11:24	mingdao	There's a few different 1440p resolutions.
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2021-09-06 20:12:01	teraflops	no, actually I'll stop making wild guesses
2021-09-06 20:12:04	mingdao	Maybe sqrt has 5120 × 1440 ... sweet.
2021-09-06 20:12:22	Namarrgon	sqrt: --set 'scaling mode' Center
2021-09-06 20:12:27	sqrt	2560x1440 unfortunately. I'm not trying to solve any other problems than *just* lowering my resolution.
2021-09-06 20:12:29	mingdao	Step right up, friends!  The first to guess sqrt's res wins a cookie.
2021-09-06 20:12:55	mingdao	sqrt: You can go to 1920 × 1440.
2021-09-06 20:13:14	sqrt	What resolution is close to 720p?
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2021-09-06 20:13:44	sqrt	Can I lower my resolution to 1280x720 if I get black borders around my screen?
2021-09-06 20:13:56	mingdao	LMGTFY 
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2021-09-07 16:24:13	drl	jonathon: I looked for varible X before asking here, but I'll look again; I may have missed it. Thanks.
2021-09-07 16:35:58	rtur	Hi guys. I'm using pipewire-pulse and am having a problem with my bluetoothheadset from time to time. Whenever I skip around (or pause/play) in a video (e.g. in a browser) there is a small but non-zero chance that my headset disconnects immediatly. In dmesg I can see that pipewire-media segfaulted with error 6 in libspa-audiomixer.so. Has anyone experienced such a behaviour or is my system
2021-09-07 16:36:01	rtur	messed up in non-standard ways? 
2021-09-07 16:38:34	WhyNotHugo	Namarrgon That lists 31 ruby packages. Reinstalled all of them, same issue.
2021-09-07 16:52:49	Edu4rdSHL	rtur, #pipewire on oftc wopuld be a better place to ask.
2021-09-07 16:56:45	rtur	Edu4rdSHL, Thanks for the tip :)
2021-09-07 17:45:46	ttnk	hello, im having a very strange situation with my cable connection, today it was working ok and after some minutes it stops from working, im connected with wifi now and is stable, how can i see whats going on?
2021-09-07 18:25:12	Namarrgon	WhyNotHugo: did it list any of the ruby packages that supposedly miss dependencies?
2021-09-07 18:34:28	tusko	Anyone familiar with dropbox service repeatedly crashing?
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2021-09-07 18:38:38	WhyNotHugo	Namarrgon: Nope, none of them.
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2021-09-07 19:13:13	WhyNotHugo	Namarrgon: No altered files for anything ruby or pygments.
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2021-09-07 20:12:59	mingdao	I'm having problems with the left hand screen looking ugly, darker, yellowish than the right hand screen https://0x0.st/-wWU.jpg
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2021-09-07 20:13:20	mingdao	I have tried 3 different monitors, and every imaginable setting in the monitors settings.
2021-09-07 20:13:33	mingdao	I have the left hand monitors settings matching the right hand.
2021-09-07 20:13:42	thurstylark	are they on the same graphics card?
2021-09-07 20:13:57	mingdao	Even with a Samsung model on both, there's no change.
2021-09-07 20:14:01	mingdao	Yes, they are indeed.
2021-09-07 20:14:11	thurstylark	what connection type?
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2021-09-07 20:14:33	mingdao	The right is HDMI, and the left is DVI.
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2021-09-07 20:14:56	thurstylark	any change if you swap that?
2021-09-07 20:15:13	mingdao	No.
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2021-09-07 20:15:26	mingdao	Well, let me adjust that statement.
2021-09-07 20:15:46	mingdao	This is the mobo https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/TUF-Gaming/TUF-GAMING-X570-PLUS-WI-FI/techspec/
2021-09-07 20:15:47	phrik	Title: TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) - Tech Specs｜Motherboards｜ASUS USA (at www.asus.com)
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2021-09-07 20:16:22	mingdao	This is the discrete card https://www.pny.com/pny-geforce-gtx-1650-super-gaming-oc-sf
2021-09-07 20:16:24	thurstylark	this mobo has HDMI and DP, so there must be adapters involved?
2021-09-07 20:16:25	phrik	Title: PNY GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4GB XLR8 Gaming Overclocked Edition (at www.pny.com)
2021-09-07 20:16:35	thurstylark	every factor
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2021-09-07 20:17:23	Tom^	are you sure its not the DVI / HDMI thats making the colors differ? what happends if you just put the other cable into the other monitor and xrand position them again, is it still left side yellowish?
2021-09-07 20:17:47	mingdao	The CPU is a Ryzen 7 3700X, but it's box states "discrete graphics card required", so I assume I can't use the onboard graphics.
2021-09-07 20:18:01	thurstylark	put it this way: does the yellowing follow the DVI, or does it follow the position?
2021-09-07 20:18:30	Tom^	if so its the DVI / HDMI choosing different color space, YCbCr , RGB or what its called.
2021-09-07 20:18:53	thurstylark	I'm betting this is part of the issue^
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2021-09-07 20:19:21	thurstylark	either that, or your monitor interprets the colorspaces slightly different'y
2021-09-07 20:19:24	mingdao	Let me see if I can do this "does the yellowing follow the DVI, or does it follow the position".
2021-09-07 20:19:25	thurstylark	*differently
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2021-09-07 20:19:42	Tom^	mingdao: does the yellowing follow the cable, or the xrandr position?
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2021-09-07 20:20:16	rcf	Tom^: the more notable issue with HDMI is the presence of 'tv mode', which clips dynamic range 
2021-09-07 20:20:41	mingdao	xrandr https://0x0.st/-wWk.txt
2021-09-07 20:21:00	mingdao	So just go into Settings in Gnome and switch the primary monitor?
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2021-09-07 20:23:05	mingdao	xrandr with primary screen switched https://0x0.st/-wWd.txt
2021-09-07 20:23:09	mingdao	No color difference.
2021-09-07 20:23:20	thurstylark	"
2021-09-07 20:23:31	Tom^	mingdao: so it follows the cable then. meaning color space/range most likely
2021-09-07 20:23:32	mingdao	So I presume the yellowing follows the cable.  Correct?
2021-09-07 20:23:32	thurstylark	"no color difference" isn't what we were testing...
2021-09-07 20:23:57	thurstylark	I'm asking *you* if the yellowing follows the cable. What did you change?
2021-09-07 20:24:04	mingdao	thurstylark: There is no color difference when changing the primary monitor.
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2021-09-07 20:25:06	thurstylark	so, if you swap monitors at the cable, does the problem follow the cable?
2021-09-07 20:25:32	Namarrgon	WhyNotHugo: can you post the -Dkk --verbose output?
2021-09-07 20:25:42	mingdao	thurstylark: I changed the primary screen here https://0x0.st/-wWn.png
2021-09-07 20:26:06	mingdao	thurstylark: I can't swap monitors at the cable, because the Acer does not have HDMI.
2021-09-07 20:26:28	thurstylark	so these aren't exactly the same model monitors?
2021-09-07 20:26:40	mingdao	I have another Acer which has HDMI, and DVI, that's on another PC.  Let me get it.
2021-09-07 20:26:44	thurstylark	because that could be the entire problem
2021-09-07 20:26:56	Tom^	otherwise fiddle with these settings https://tinyurl.com/uwazwmkp
2021-09-07 20:26:57	thurstylark	two models have slight color differences
2021-09-07 20:27:01	thurstylark	that's normal
2021-09-07 20:27:03	mingdao	They are not exactly the same model of monitors, no.
2021-09-07 20:27:05	Tom^	color space / color range etc
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2021-09-07 20:27:22	mingdao	But the same yellowing occurs on different models of monitors, and different OSes.
2021-09-07 20:27:37	Tom^	mingdao: even windows?
2021-09-07 20:27:51	thurstylark	this is why people who care this much about color matching will get monitors that can be tweaked all to hell and then get fancy calibration gear to fix this exact problem
2021-09-07 20:28:05	rcf	It's usually done in software at this point, but yes. 
2021-09-07 20:28:16	rcf	If you have a real colorimeter handy this is fairly easy to fix. 
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2021-09-07 20:28:31	Tom^	mingdao: otherwise fiddle with these settings in nvidia-settings https://tinyurl.com/uwazwmkp
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2021-09-07 20:30:15	thurstylark	true, it's probably doable in software nowadays, but I haven't had the reason to really look into it. Last rig I had to do color calibration on was an NEC video wall, so that was hardware/firmware controlled :P
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2021-09-07 20:31:42	thurstylark	TL;DR: Two cheap monitors of different models not matching color exactly is pretty normal ime. 
2021-09-07 20:32:03	rcf	At the really high end they will supply fairly accurate color profiles 
2021-09-07 20:32:09	rcf	But normal people don't want to spend that much money. 
2021-09-07 20:32:14	thurstylark	yeh
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2021-09-07 21:00:21	mingdao	Now I have two identical monitors on left and right.
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2021-09-07 21:00:48	Gagis	colorimeters are common enough you might be able to loan one
2021-09-07 21:01:02	Tom^	mingdao: and what does nvidia settings say in the color settings about both of them?
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2021-09-07 21:01:22	mingdao	This is HDMI cable on the left https://0x0.st/-w48.jpg
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2021-09-07 21:01:32	mingdao	This is DVI cable on the left https://0x0.st/-w4K.jpg
2021-09-07 21:01:53	mingdao	Tom^: Haven't gotten that far.  Started at the earlier info.
2021-09-07 21:02:29	mingdao	They're much closer now, though DVI is still not as bright as HDMI.
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2021-09-07 21:04:26	Tom^	to me it looks like the left one is darker even tho cables switched, and the yellowish tone is gone. so yeah its more likely as thurstylark said. you need fancy calibration gear or buy expensive as hell monitors :P
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2021-09-07 21:04:56	Tom^	live with it, or manually tweak the color settings to be as close together as possible.
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2021-09-07 21:05:32	thurstylark	yeah, that's closer than my two monitors
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2021-09-07 21:06:53	vd	I want to write a Dbus API to abstract a few buttons (gpio-keys, exposed as /dev/input/event0 keys which you may test with `evtest`). Which library should I use? libinput?
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2021-09-07 21:07:17	thurstylark	may also be able to get closer by going with a DP to HDMI adapter and seeing if ditching the DVI does the trick for you
2021-09-07 21:07:30	mingdao	DVI-Acer-nvidia-settings.png https://0x0.st/-w4q.png ; HDMI-Acer-nvidia-settings.png https://0x0.st/-w4b.png
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2021-09-07 21:08:20	Tom^	mingdao: hdmi one wasnt on the "control" tab.
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2021-09-07 21:08:30	Tom^	eh Controls
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2021-09-07 21:08:59	mingdao	sorry
2021-09-07 21:09:08	mingdao	Very distracted, let me redo
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2021-09-07 21:09:24	Tom^	apology denied
2021-09-07 21:09:30	mingdao	:/
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2021-09-07 21:09:45	mingdao	We've known each other too long.  :-)
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2021-09-07 21:10:11	CyberShadow	Does anyone know how to match outbound packets to broadcast addresses (e.g. 192.168.0.255) with nftables? "pkttype" seems to always be "host" for the output hook.
2021-09-07 21:10:18	mingdao	HDMI-Acer-nvidia-settings.png https://0x0.st/-w4T.png
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2021-09-07 21:10:50	Tom^	mingdao: yeah its just your devices simply isnt calibrated to each other from factory. Acer did a piss poor job.
2021-09-07 21:10:53	mingdao	CyberShadow: If you don't get the answer here, try #netfilter
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2021-09-07 21:11:08	CyberShadow	Thx!
2021-09-07 21:12:13	mingdao	Tom^: Now that I have 2 identical screens, at least it doesn't look as dark as it did with the Samsungs.
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2021-09-07 21:12:50	Tom^	mingdao: yeah it isnt your fault atleast. blame acer or samsung. :P
2021-09-07 21:12:56	mingdao	I had thrown one of these away on Sun ... the wife insisted on keeping it in the box in the hallway for a bit, so I pulled the other off a laptop and put this one back.
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2021-09-08 16:48:40	lntl	I'd like to forward journal entries for facilities 0, 1, 3, 4, 9, 10, 15 upto priority level 2 to /dev/console
2021-09-08 16:48:59	NetSysFire	another|: it really depends on the application who needs opencl. opencl with my amd card for blender works very badly and i am better off using pure cpu rendering
2021-09-08 16:49:42	lntl	and don't know the keywords/syntax for facilties and don't know how to forward multiple priority levels
2021-09-08 16:50:25	lntl	(referencing the link i shared earlier)
2021-09-08 16:50:47	another|	NetSysFire: I don't think I even have any application which does OpenCL
2021-09-08 16:50:51	Uranoxyd	same problem with new user, i will try it again in the Mate channel, thanks for your time
2021-09-08 16:51:06	NetSysFire	another|: hashcat or john may need it
2021-09-08 16:51:11	NetSysFire	Uranoxyd: strace can be your friend here
2021-09-08 16:51:22	another|	I run neither
2021-09-08 16:51:35	NetSysFire	Uranoxyd: that requires you to find out which specific application you need to strace
2021-09-08 16:51:52	NetSysFire	there is a good chance the bar/menu stuff is something separate which will make debugging easier
2021-09-08 16:52:21	lntl	$man journald.conf
2021-09-08 16:52:37	lntl	my guesswork has paid off!
2021-09-08 16:52:38	Uranoxyd	from the looks it is a seperate process, but i am unsure if i can use strace, i take a look
2021-09-08 16:53:10	NetSysFire	when did this start happening?
2021-09-08 16:53:14	NetSysFire	could also be the result of an update
2021-09-08 16:53:24	lntl	For some reason I thought there'd be no manpages
2021-09-08 16:53:53	Uranoxyd	could be a update, but i rarely used the programm so i noticed it without knowing what i did in the meantime
2021-09-08 16:55:13	Uranoxyd	but it was working and stopped, so it must be something ive done sometime ago
2021-09-08 17:15:13	Uranoxyd	@Ne
2021-09-08 17:15:27	Uranoxyd	Ne
2021-09-08 17:27:36	dummys	I was looking to migrate to wayland I'm using awesome now, is there something that work the same under wayland ? Which tilling manager do you use under it ?
2021-09-08 17:28:22	moonshine	the standard thing is sway
2021-09-08 17:28:35	moonshine	if you don't know what to choose, that's safe.
2021-09-08 17:28:50	dummys	ok nice
2021-09-08 17:29:16	dummys	yes for now I want to migrate to wayland, but I'm starting to review stuff, like which project has the most active dev, commits etc
2021-09-08 17:29:22	moonshine	sway.
2021-09-08 17:29:30	dummys	I would like to have the same behavior as awesome
2021-09-08 17:29:38	dummys	yes I'm looking at it right now
2021-09-08 17:29:51	NetSysFire	there was an awesome wayland implementation called way-cooler but its abandoned
2021-09-08 17:30:11	NetSysFire	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wayland#Compositors
2021-09-08 17:30:12	phrik	Title: Wayland - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-08 17:30:36	moonshine	it depends on what you mean by "active" though... sway is mostly "done", so it's not going to change much from here on
2021-09-08 17:32:47	NetSysFire	i am an awesome user and i prefer to stick to xorg for time being because i didnt find any awesome-like compositor
2021-09-08 17:35:02	dummys	oh really ?
2021-09-08 17:35:09	dummys	so you don't take a look at sway ?
2021-09-08 17:35:55	NetSysFire	i tried i3. i hated it. sway is similar
2021-09-08 17:36:38	moonshine	that's a strong reaction
2021-09-08 17:36:46	NetSysFire	but if you dont mind changing your workflow you can use any other compositor
2021-09-08 17:37:34	NetSysFire	yes because i3 doesnt support hiding windows, i absolutely hated its virtual desktop/workspace behavior and a few more minor things
2021-09-08 17:37:55	NetSysFire	and now i am relatively happy with awesome, especially because its so insanely configurable
2021-09-08 17:41:28	another|	to each their own
2021-09-08 17:42:10	NetSysFire	yup
2021-09-08 17:42:11	moonshine	i'm not that opinionated about it, sway does a nice job. hope there's someone working on a awesomewm-like compositor because of ... strong opinions
2021-09-08 17:43:02	NetSysFire	sway works for a lot of people but if you want that awesome-workflow you wont find it in sway and either have to code your own thing or wait until someone else does it
2021-09-08 17:43:45	moonshine	no clue what that workflow is and i think i'm better off not knowing :)
2021-09-08 17:44:18	dummys	NetSysFire | yes because i3 doesnt support hiding windows, i absolutely hated its virtual desktop/workspace behavior and a few more minor things // OMFG
2021-09-08 17:44:27	dummys	I love to hide my window :D
2021-09-08 17:45:04	moonshine	if i don't want to see a window in sway i just send it to another workspace. maybe that's crazy.
2021-09-08 17:45:22	dummys	yes NetSysFire please tell us the workflow you spoke about just to understand
2021-09-08 17:45:42	dummys	moonshine | if i don't want to see a window in sway i just send it to another workspace. maybe that's crazy.  // it's a good workaround
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2021-09-08 17:46:29	teraflops	actually i3 does support hidding windows
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2021-09-08 17:47:24	dummys	for me the only difference between i3 and awesome is the layout constraints, right ?
2021-09-08 17:47:26	teraflops	it's called scatchpad
2021-09-08 17:47:37	teraflops	scratchpad^
2021-09-08 17:47:40	morrigan	dummys: i3 is manual, awesome is dynamic
2021-09-08 17:47:42	dummys	teraflops: have you moved to wayland ?
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2021-09-08 17:47:57	teraflops	I have nvidia with blob drivers
2021-09-08 17:47:58	dummys	yes morrigan and that why I love in awesome personnaly
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2021-09-08 17:48:02	NetSysFire	teraflops: thats very hacky. i read about that, too
2021-09-08 17:48:19	dummys	oh yeah I'm so happy to have ditch nvidia cards for my laptop
2021-09-08 17:48:24	dummys	only intel inside now
2021-09-08 17:48:42	teraflops	NetSysFire: well you can hack it like this one (with an indicator) https://gitlab.com/teraflops/dotfiles/-/blob/master/.config/i3/scratchpad_indicator.py
2021-09-08 17:48:44	phrik	Title: .config/i3/scratchpad_indicator.py · master · teraflops / dotfiles · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2021-09-08 17:49:01	NetSysFire	dummys: workflow as in you can extend basically everything with lua, the dynamic tiling thing etc
2021-09-08 17:49:20	teraflops	but I can understand people not liking tiling
2021-09-08 17:50:30	teraflops	dummys: not that I miss wayland tbh
2021-09-08 17:50:41	teraflops	I'm happy with i3 so far
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2021-09-08 18:19:26	nova	powertop -> segmentation fault. perfect
2021-09-08 18:20:22	nova	hasn't this been an issue for years? I swear I tried powertop years ago with seg fault, too
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2021-09-08 18:26:26	Tom^	nova: gdb it :p
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2021-09-08 18:32:43	teraflops	nova: that's an unfortunate timing
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2021-09-08 18:57:20	nova	meh. I would if I cared enough, and also powertop --auto-tune breaks auto wakeup from suspend (for all of xorg and any graphical application), and I don't feel like hunting. I wish it were a 2 minute task to just use powertop and have everything work better, but woe is me :P
2021-09-08 18:57:47	nova	maybe I will later, but not right now anyway
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2021-09-08 19:39:25	dngray	hmm is this linked to the matrix channel?
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2021-09-08 19:39:49	dngray	i would have thought #archlinux:archlinux.org would have been linked in here
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2021-09-08 19:41:06	dngray	in any case i've noticed recently since linux-hardened-5.13 i get kernel panics on boot with amdgpu
2021-09-08 19:41:11	dngray	has anyone else experienced this?
2021-09-08 19:41:28	tonitch	Hello, Anyone can help me with sound issue ? I have a Grabsteer AV 350 that is supposed to have a video output and a sound output... I can see them both... I already tested the video and it works but the sound is not... I found this post that describe the problem and I can't make it to work either https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=209273
2021-09-08 19:41:30	phrik	Title: No sound from Terratec Grabster AV 350 / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-09-08 19:41:35	dngray	i thought i'd set up kexec/kdump to get a coredump and stacktrace
2021-09-08 19:41:40	tonitch	here is the log when I plug it in https://paste.rs/iBp
2021-09-08 19:41:58	moonshine	dngray: it's a known issue with amdgpu
2021-09-08 19:41:58	dngray	i booted my kdump kernel like so https://clbin.com/3pHjE
2021-09-08 19:42:01	dngray	with this loader entry
2021-09-08 19:42:16	dngray	moonshine: oh, so not worth debugging further?
2021-09-08 19:42:23	dngray	i didn't see a issue on the bug tracker
2021-09-08 19:42:24	moonshine	you have to roll back until the patch lands
2021-09-08 19:42:41	dngray	yeah i've found that
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2021-09-08 19:42:51	moonshine	there's a bug for it on freedesktop.org, anthraxx is on it
2021-09-08 19:43:06	dngray	fair enough figured i wasn't the only one
2021-09-08 19:43:17	dngray	anyway the question was more about using kdump/kexec
2021-09-08 19:43:23	dngray	i get this error when trying to load the kernel
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2021-09-08 19:43:31	dngray	https://clbin.com/3pHjE
2021-09-08 19:43:59	dngray	i made sure to check that those things are correctly set to Y https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kdump
2021-09-08 19:44:01	phrik	Title: Kdump - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-09-08 19:44:06	dngray	but i'm not sure what i am doing wrong
2021-09-08 19:44:16	thurstylark	re: matrix: You can get to this channel like every other libera channel via #archlinux:libera.chat, but the matrix rooms on the archlinux.org homeserver are separate at the moment
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2021-09-08 19:44:35	dngray	ah thanks thurstylark 
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2021-09-08 19:44:45	dngray	yeah i appreciate that because i don't have znc set up at the moment
2021-09-08 19:44:57	dngray	and i don't like to leave rooms if i don't get a response straight away
2021-09-08 19:45:07	thurstylark	a bit slower than irc, but it does the trick for me most of the time :)
2021-09-08 19:45:13	dngray	i had joined that in the past through the bridge, but figured the rooms were linked seeing as we had an official one
2021-09-08 19:45:49	dngray	i still have weechat setup with my colorscheme and look just how i like it, but i have been using it less and less these days
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2021-09-08 19:46:03	anthraxx	moonshine: dngray: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/1686#note_1052168
2021-09-08 19:46:04	phrik	Title: AMDGPU, kernel NULL pointer dereference (5.13.12 debugfs RX6600 XT) (#1686) · Issues · drm / amd · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2021-09-08 19:46:05	dngray	matrix has made its way into my workflow for many other reasons :D
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2021-09-08 19:46:22	dngray	anthraxx: ty ill keep an eye on that
2021-09-08 19:46:22	thurstylark	meeeee too :D
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2021-09-08 19:46:42	dngray	anthraxx: so many you know the answer to my kexec/kdump error
2021-09-08 19:46:43	anthraxx	dngray: if you need a quick workaround, you can use the kernel cmdline as described in my comment
2021-09-08 19:46:59	dngray	yeah that's fine, i am already doing that
2021-09-08 19:47:14	dngray	oh actually i rolled back to previous version
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2021-09-08 19:47:29	moonshine	dngray: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/1686
2021-09-08 19:47:30	phrik	Title: AMDGPU, kernel NULL pointer dereference (5.13.12 debugfs RX6600 XT) (#1686) · Issues · drm / amd · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2021-09-08 19:47:34	dngray	ty
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2021-09-08 19:48:06	moonshine	oops, i pasted before reading the scroll.
2021-09-08 19:48:17	dngray	so about this kexec/kdump thing
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2021-09-08 19:48:45	dngray	i booted the kernel with the crashkernel=64M parameter
2021-09-08 19:49:00	dngray	in this case i just used the regular archlinux kernel because it apparently has everything set
2021-09-08 19:49:23	dngray	so if i understand correctly i should be able to use kexec to boot the other kernel
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2021-09-09 17:01:17	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1343 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1343 normals)
2021-09-09 16:05:41	bea	ah I had kms disabled
2021-09-09 16:05:53	bea	but it still seems to want to use the EGL backend
2021-09-09 16:16:38	bea	alright we're getting somewhere
2021-09-09 16:16:45	bea	sway just coredumps now :D
2021-09-09 16:45:20	coruja	bea: there's also #sway but don't expect too much as nvidia is there as popular as manjaro here ;)
2021-09-09 16:48:23	rcf	bea: for the most part sway developers derive joy from proprietary driver bugs, so it's best not to bother. 
2021-09-09 16:51:34	rcf	Over time the amount of supported hardware has dropped even for open-source drivers. 
2021-09-09 16:52:03	MacGyver	Has it?
2021-09-09 16:52:30	rcf	MacGyver: recently they dropped support for all non-PRIME drivers 
2021-09-09 16:52:57	MacGyver	Oh, so wayland, not the drivers themselves.
2021-09-09 16:53:09	rcf	wlroots in particular. 
2021-09-09 16:54:57	rcf	They've added a pixman software renderer but with the drm requirements it's only really useful for allowing headless operation. 
2021-09-09 17:01:17	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-09 17:06:14	HEX0	rcf: what kind of non PRIME hardware? like old intel GPUs or something?
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2021-09-09 18:05:26	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1348 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1348 normals)
2021-09-09 18:05:28	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-09-09 18:06:07	DF32	Hey. I'm having a problem downloading xorg (and other packages, like firefox). When I do "pacman -S xorg" it starts downloading and then it starts to give me errors for all files "Error: <file>: doenst have required signature. The file /var/cahce/pacman/<file> is corrupted. Do you wish to delete?". I already tried to do this:
2021-09-09 18:06:08	DF32	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#.22Failed_to_commit_transaction_.28invalid_or_corrupted_package.29.22_error  but it didn't work
2021-09-09 18:06:09	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-09 18:06:49	DF32	Someone knows why this is happening? Also tried refresh keys
2021-09-09 18:06:54	mpan	Have you tried a different mirror?
2021-09-09 18:07:16	DF32	I have a bunch of mirrors uncommented (default)
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2021-09-09 18:08:01	mpan	That’s not my question. pacman will download only from one mirror, not matter how many of them you uncomment — unless it can’t use that mirror.
2021-09-09 18:08:36	Namarrgon	you probably don't want to install the whole "xorg" group, it's full of crap you'll never need
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2021-09-09 18:10:27	⚡ 	teraflops xeyes 👀 all
2021-09-09 18:10:48	DF32	@mpan Yes, thats why I'm saying that I have a bunch of them uncommented. With so many of them, one of them should be ok O.o. But will try that
2021-09-09 18:11:19	DF32	@Namarrgon I'm just installing cause I'm having problems starting x
2021-09-09 18:11:20	mpan	DF32: no, read again. Only one mirror is being used.
2021-09-09 18:11:45	DF32	@Namarrgon thik its because I don't have the twm and xterm installed
2021-09-09 18:11:56	mpan	Also, by prepending ‘@’ before my name you are making us not notice your messages. This is not Twitter.
2021-09-09 18:12:20	DF32	I don't use twitter tho :') 
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2021-09-09 18:12:32	DF32	but thanks, will see if changing mirrors work
2021-09-09 18:13:14	mpan	If it doesn’t, at least the possibility of a faulty mirror is eliminated.
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2021-09-09 18:29:23	DF32	mpan Took some time because I used some far away mirror. The result is still the same
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2021-09-09 18:30:23	Namarrgon	post the "pacman -S --debug xorg" output
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2021-09-09 18:33:29	DF32	Thats a bit tricky, since I can't use browser on arch yet
2021-09-09 18:33:43	Namarrgon	!pastepacman
2021-09-09 18:33:43	phrik	LC_ALL=C pacman --debug <your pacman options> |& tee >(curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io)
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2021-09-09 18:38:24	thursdaylark	What's the best way to see usage on an amd graphics card?
2021-09-09 18:38:38	bea	ask it
2021-09-09 18:39:10	thursdaylark	mainly curious if what I'm doing is maxing out its resources
2021-09-09 18:39:23	thursdaylark	bea: yeh. got that much. my question is how
2021-09-09 18:40:17	bea	are you using AMDGPU or the open source driver?
2021-09-09 18:40:34	thursdaylark	open source drivers
2021-09-09 18:40:46	another|	thursdaylark: maybe look at `radeontop`
2021-09-09 18:41:01	bea	looking for gui or just looking for numbers?
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2021-09-09 18:41:16	thursdaylark	just numbers
2021-09-09 18:41:17	bea	iirc all that stuff is exposed in /sys/class/drm/cardX
2021-09-09 18:42:07	sangy	thursdaylark: is my new favorite twitch egirl
2021-09-09 18:42:17	thursdaylark	<3
2021-09-09 18:42:35	rcf	thursdaylark: radeontop is nice
2021-09-09 18:42:37	sangy	seriously, p cool you're doing this!
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2021-09-09 18:45:00	thursdaylark	looks like radeontop gets me what I was looking for, but graphics card isn't the bottleneck
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2021-09-09 18:45:18	Namarrgon	GALLIUM_HUD=GPU-load,VRAM-usage gears
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2021-09-09 18:45:55	thursdaylark	sangy: Thanks! Patches welcome, I know my setup is pretty barebones at the moment, so I'm all for suggestions :P
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2021-09-09 18:46:30	bea	ya streaming?
2021-09-09 18:47:03	sangy	haha, I'll lurk for a bit before dropping comments
2021-09-09 18:47:17	thursdaylark	yeh, just hanging out here doing support and toying with my own setup
2021-09-09 18:47:37	thursdaylark	trying to play BOTW in the meantime, but my setup is slooooow right now for some reason :P
2021-09-09 18:47:48	DF32	Namarrgon Sorry for the ignorance, what was that command suppose to do? It just printed the information to the screen
2021-09-09 18:47:50	rcf	!check if trolling thursdaylark's stream is a good idea 
2021-09-09 18:47:51	phrik	Testing if trolling thursdaylark's stream is a good idea: [FAIL]
2021-09-09 18:48:01	Namarrgon	!give DF32 pastepacman
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2021-09-09 18:48:02	phrik	DF32: LC_ALL=C pacman --debug <your pacman options> |& tee >(curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io)
2021-09-09 18:48:22	bea	okay, lets try again with mesa-git
2021-09-09 18:48:44	rcf	bea: if you're still trying sway be sure to use sway-git and wlroots-git 
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2021-09-09 18:51:32	bea	hmm
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2021-09-09 18:52:05	DF32	Namarrgon I can see the debug info, but can't scroll back. Do you want me to write? I can't use browser in arch, Im on another computer
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2021-09-09 18:54:22	Namarrgon	DF32: replace <your pacman options> with <-S xorg>
2021-09-09 18:54:35	Namarrgon	then post the URL it spits out at the end
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2021-09-09 18:55:44	Namarrgon	with the <>
2021-09-09 18:55:48	Namarrgon	*without the <>
2021-09-09 18:55:53	DF32	I replaced it with xorg, but totally forgot the -S
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2021-09-09 18:59:27	DF32	http://ix.io/1Rpy
2021-09-09 18:59:47	Namarrgon	you still have some typo in the command
2021-09-09 19:00:42	mpan	You can redirect that to a file, inspect the file with cat or less and then curl it to ix.io. Or another sane paste service.
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2021-09-09 19:02:53	bea	rip
2021-09-09 19:03:04	bea	we got a renderer but sway died
2021-09-09 19:03:07	bea	progress
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2021-09-09 19:04:06	DF32	is l& and L or i?
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2021-09-09 19:04:23	DF32	*an
2021-09-09 19:04:25	◣	denixx (~denixx@109.87.188.193) ha salido
2021-09-09 19:04:29	MacGyver	It's an l.
2021-09-09 19:04:30	thursdaylark	none of the above, that's a pipe
2021-09-09 19:04:33	MacGyver	(Sorry :P)
2021-09-09 19:04:36	thursdaylark	 |
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2021-09-09 19:04:44	thursdaylark	usually shift + \
2021-09-09 19:04:45	MacGyver	Oh, you were reading it from what somebody typed.
2021-09-09 19:06:15	bea	rip: sway: render/wlr_renderer.c:226: wlr_renderer_init_wl_display: Assertion `argb8888 && xrgb8888' failed.
2021-09-09 19:06:26	john_rambo	I was using UFW with deny all in & allow all out .... Today for the first time I changed it to deny all out & then I added ports as per my need. I can browse the web, Thunderbird is working. Problem is I cant ping any IP. For example when I try to ping 8.8.8.8 I get "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted" .....How do I allow outgoing ping ?
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2021-09-09 19:08:05	DF32	Namarrgon Now it works, damn... http://ix.io/3yoh
2021-09-09 19:08:49	Namarrgon	DF32: pgrep -a pacman
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2021-09-09 19:09:46	DF32	Namarrgon No result
2021-09-09 19:09:49	Namarrgon	are you using any of the gui frontends?
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2021-09-09 19:10:16	Namarrgon	did pacman crash at some point?
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2021-09-09 19:11:54	DF32	Nope, I'm just in the terminal that you start with. As I remember nope, just this
2021-09-09 19:12:03	teraflops	if you cannot distinguish l vs 1 os I your font sucks :P
2021-09-09 19:12:09	◣	thebombzen (~thebombze@67.194.13.226) ha salido (Client Quit)
2021-09-09 19:12:10	teraflops	or^
2021-09-09 19:12:16	Namarrgon	remove the lockfile and -S xorg again
2021-09-09 19:12:30	Namarrgon	install some readable fonts while you're at it :P
2021-09-09 19:12:40	MacGyver	teraflops: Well if you're unfamiliar with | I do understand the question.
2021-09-09 19:12:51	teraflops	heh
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2021-09-09 19:13:54	teraflops	oh well, it was | now I get it
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2021-09-09 19:15:15	bea	it appears that i am not going to space today
2021-09-09 19:15:54	thursdaylark	bea: problems on the up goer five?
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2021-09-09 19:16:29	bea	indeed, i chose the wrong graphics card manufacturer evidently
2021-09-09 19:16:42	thursdaylark	ahh, yeah
2021-09-09 19:16:43	MacGyver	bea: I could've told you that before any of this started.
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2021-09-09 19:16:48	teraflops	john_rambo: you have to play with ICMP
2021-09-09 19:16:53	thursdaylark	them green cards sneak up on ya :P
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2021-09-09 19:16:59	bea	that doesn't solve any of my problems
2021-09-09 19:17:06	◥	thebombzen_ (~thebombze@67.194.1.214) has joined #archlinux
2021-09-09 19:17:32	thebombzen_	I'm having a weird issue. Pushing the calculator button on my laptop keyboard causes my entire X display to freeze and hang
2021-09-09 19:17:49	thursdaylark	thebombzen_: can you paste your xorg log to a paste service?
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2021-09-09 19:17:57	thebombzen_	where can I find my xorg log?
2021-09-09 19:18:04	bea	/var/log
2021-09-09 19:18:04	teraflops	!xorg log
2021-09-09 19:18:05	phrik	xorg's log can be found in one of several places: the system journal, /var/log/ or $HOME/.local/share/xorg/
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2021-09-09 19:18:17	thursdaylark	thebombzen_: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg#General
2021-09-09 19:18:18	phrik	Title: Xorg - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-09 19:18:18	bea	heh there's a bang for that
2021-09-09 19:18:27	bea	i should hang around in this buffer more often
2021-09-09 19:18:31	MacGyver	bea: You can sell the Nvidia card for way too much.
2021-09-09 19:18:38	thursdaylark	ooh, yeah, gonna have to remember that one :P
2021-09-09 19:18:40	MacGyver	And then buy a similarly-specced AMD card for a little less.
2021-09-09 19:18:43	DF32	Namarrgon was going to install some fonts after, probably should have done that earlier...  Trying to search for lockfile in archwiki but can't find it. How can I remove it?
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2021-09-09 19:18:57	bea	MacGyver: it is impossible to find any graphics cards right now
2021-09-09 19:19:09	teraflops	bea: nvidia? that's great, install the blobs and forget about it
2021-09-09 19:19:12	bea	well maybe not any
2021-09-09 19:19:26	thursdaylark	teraflops: they wanna do wayland stuff thoooo
2021-09-09 19:19:31	teraflops	bah
2021-09-09 19:19:35	thursdaylark	lol
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2021-09-09 19:19:43	bea	my graphics cards developer opinions are clashing with my window managers developers opionions
2021-09-09 19:20:03	teraflops	sway? screw them!
2021-09-09 19:20:08	teraflops	go use i3
2021-09-09 19:20:18	thebombzen_	~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log: http://0x0.st/-wkH.log and here's Xorg.0.log.old for good measure http://0x0.st/-wko.old
2021-09-09 19:20:28	DF32	Is this it? rm -f /var/lib/pacman/db.lck
2021-09-09 19:20:31	coruja	DF32: it's at the end of the pasted log: /var/lib/pacman/db.lck
2021-09-09 19:20:50	thursdaylark	but it's totally not sway's fault that nvidia doesn't provide access to the things needed for proper wayland usage.....
2021-09-09 19:20:52	thebombzen_	do note that I tested xdotool key XF86Calculator, and it works as expected. my calculator opens as I'd expect
2021-09-09 19:21:11	thebombzen_	pushing the key in the hardware causes a hang. I'm guessing the .old log is the one I want though
2021-09-09 19:21:58	thebombzen_	I triggered the problem, pushed Ctrl+Alt+F2, killall Xorg, Ctrl+Alt+F1 and startx
2021-09-09 19:22:07	thebombzen_	so this is the "second try" this boot
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2021-09-09 19:22:19	coruja	teraflops: wayland with sway rocks if your hardware allows :)
2021-09-09 19:22:37	teraflops	i3 rocks as well
2021-09-09 19:22:55	thebombzen_	oh yea, nvidia is a pain since the proprietary driver does not expose standard interfaces to the kernel
2021-09-09 19:22:57	thorongil	hi there.  if i want to gain insight into how a specific community package is getting built, is abs still the way to go about that?
2021-09-09 19:23:11	thebombzen_	thorongil: did you check the ASP build file?
2021-09-09 19:24:06	thorongil	thebombzen_: no, i've never heard of that.  where do i find it?  i can't see anything like that on the package page or in the list of source files associated with the package.
2021-09-09 19:24:07	thebombzen_	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Build_System article describes the arch build system. You can use it to build source packages to target packages. those source packages have a PKGBUILD which is a bash script. 
2021-09-09 19:24:09	phrik	Title: Arch Build System - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-09 19:24:29	thebombzen_	PKGBUILD is a (small) bash script which makepkg runs
2021-09-09 19:24:31	thorongil	thebombzen_: what i'm inferring from your response is that yes, abs is still the way to go
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2021-09-09 19:25:08	thebombzen_	community packages are built with ABS as well, iirc. I'd inspect the PKGBUILD file in the package and see what it contains
2021-09-09 19:25:31	thorongil	right.  really all i wanted to know is whether ABS is still used.  it sounds like it is.  thanks.
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2021-09-09 19:25:37	thebombzen_	ah, I see. then yes
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2021-09-09 19:25:51	coruja	DF32: any (good) news?
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2021-09-09 19:26:09	thebombzen_	thorongil: note that community and multilib are in a slightly different location than extra and core
2021-09-09 19:26:19	DF32	Namarrgon Tried normal installation "pacman -S xorg". Same result
2021-09-09 19:26:24	thebombzen_	>The core, extra, and testing official repositories are in the packages repository for checkout. The community and multilib repositories are in the community repository. 
2021-09-09 19:26:40	thorongil	thebombzen_: thanks.  i'll read the wiki page thoroughly before proceeding.
2021-09-09 19:26:47	DF32	it's weird. Was installing packages normally and all of a sudden it starts doing this
2021-09-09 19:26:57	thebombzen_	thursdaylark: did you find anything incriminating in my Xorg.log
2021-09-09 19:27:24	thursdaylark	thebombzen_: maybe. still digging a bit...
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2021-09-09 19:28:26	thursdaylark	the last error before things start shutting down is "event7  - SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: client bug: event processing lagging behind by 12ms, your system is too slow"
2021-09-09 19:28:32	Namarrgon	DF32: which result? that the database couldn't be locked?
2021-09-09 19:28:41	thursdaylark	which doesn't make much sense as a cause
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2021-09-09 19:28:53	thebombzen_	I saw that, I believe that is a result of the server hang,
2021-09-09 19:29:07	thebombzen_	rather than as a cause. since once the server freezes it probably had that issue
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2021-09-09 19:29:26	Namarrgon	have you tried not using the xf86-video-intel driver?
2021-09-09 19:29:29	thursdaylark	I bet you're right on that one
2021-09-09 19:29:29	teraflops	thebombzen_: it looks like the xorg log is incomplete?
2021-09-09 19:29:37	thebombzen_	what is incomplete about it?
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2021-09-09 19:29:50	thebombzen_	the first log is my running log. I believe the .old log is what contains the juice
2021-09-09 19:29:51	teraflops	it's not the full file?
2021-09-09 19:29:59	teraflops	ah ok
2021-09-09 19:30:35	DF32	Namarrgon Same result as in begin: When I do "pacman -S xorg" it starts downloading and then it starts to give me errors for all files "Error: <file>: doenst have required signature. The file /var/cahce/pacman/<file> is corrupted. Do you wish to delete?"
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2021-09-09 19:30:50	thebombzen_	Namarrgon: are you referring to my Xorg hang or is this for other person ^
2021-09-09 19:30:56	Namarrgon	DF32: ignore the database signatures, they aren't important
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2021-09-09 19:31:04	Namarrgon	thebombzen_: yes, your xorg hang
2021-09-09 19:31:14	thebombzen_	I'm not sure what alternative there is for an intel GPU
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2021-09-09 19:31:22	teraflops	not using it
2021-09-09 19:31:32	thebombzen_	thanks ;p
2021-09-09 19:31:32	Namarrgon	remove the package and make sure there are no xorg configs that reference "intel"
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2021-09-09 19:31:41	teraflops	as in uninstall it
2021-09-09 19:31:42	thebombzen_	how am I going to drive my display?
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2021-09-09 19:31:50	thursdaylark	kms
2021-09-09 19:31:52	thebombzen_	is there a driver in the kernel?
2021-09-09 19:31:53	Namarrgon	with the 'modesetting' driver
2021-09-09 19:31:54	thursdaylark	it's in the kernel now
2021-09-09 19:32:04	thebombzen_	Ah, okay. is that what i915 is
2021-09-09 19:32:07	Namarrgon	it comes with the xorg-server package
2021-09-09 19:32:26	Namarrgon	i915 is the kernel part, yes
2021-09-09 19:32:41	thebombzen_	ah, okay. so just uninstall the driver and reboot and see what happens?
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2021-09-09 19:32:53	Namarrgon	and make sure you don't have any xorg configs that reference it
2021-09-09 19:33:09	DF32	Namarrgon aren't the signatures important? O.o
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2021-09-09 19:33:15	thebombzen_	I don't recall referencing it
2021-09-09 19:33:22	thebombzen_	I haven't changed this Xorg config in years
2021-09-09 19:33:23	Namarrgon	DF32: there are no signatures for the databases
2021-09-09 19:33:54	coruja	DF32: the debug log says they're optional
2021-09-09 19:34:13	teraflops	thebombzen_: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/intel_graphics#Installation read the notes below 
2021-09-09 19:34:15	phrik	Title: Intel graphics - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-09-09 19:36:14	teraflops	thebombzen_: I think what Namarrgon meant is to take a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
2021-09-09 19:36:21	teraflops	just in case
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2021-09-09 19:36:41	thursdaylark	better to check than forget imo :P
2021-09-09 19:36:45	DF32	Namarrgon Are you saying I should do this? SigLevel = Never
2021-09-09 19:37:16	thebombzen_	the wiki says install mesa, but you just told me the driver is in the kernel
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2021-09-09 19:37:27	thebombzen_	is this a wiki out-of-date issue? or am I missing something
2021-09-09 19:37:37	thursdaylark	mesa is the userspace part of that
2021-09-09 19:37:42	thursdaylark	so to speak
2021-09-09 19:37:48	thursdaylark	it's a bit wibbly wobbly
2021-09-09 19:37:51	coruja	Namarrgon: would cleaning up the cache with 'pacman -Scc' be a good idea for DF32, to start over again?
2021-09-09 19:37:52	Hello71	drivers can have multiple parts.
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2021-09-09 19:38:08	Namarrgon	coruja: maybe but we still don't know what the problem is
2021-09-09 19:38:09	thebombzen_	I see, it's the userspace side
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2021-09-09 19:38:34	DF32	coruja I already tried "pacman -Sc", but not "pacman -Scc"
2021-09-09 19:38:40	Namarrgon	DF32: no, i didn't mean that
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2021-09-09 19:38:52	Namarrgon	DF32: post the new debug output
2021-09-09 19:39:04	⚡ 	thursdaylark honestly doesn't know enough about mesa stuff to really say that about it... that's just what makes sense to his brain
2021-09-09 19:39:19	DF32	Namarrgon Should I do "pacman -Scc" before=
2021-09-09 19:39:21	Namarrgon	DF32: arch does not sign the databases, that "error" is a red herring
2021-09-09 19:39:22	DF32	*?
2021-09-09 19:39:25	thebombzen_	alrigth let's test this out
2021-09-09 19:39:28	Namarrgon	DF32: no, post the output
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2021-09-09 19:43:30	DF32	http://ix.io/3yos
2021-09-09 19:43:38	DF32	Namarrgon
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2021-09-09 19:44:25	Namarrgon	did you mess around with the pacman keyring?
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2021-09-09 19:45:15	DF32	I just did the command to refresh the keys
2021-09-09 19:45:20	DF32	But was after the problem started
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2021-09-09 19:45:57	Namarrgon	did you kill pacman or did it crash?
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2021-09-09 19:47:03	DF32	Hmm, I don't think so
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2021-09-09 19:48:14	DF32	By kill, you mean cancel? Like Control + C?
2021-09-09 19:48:16	thursdaylark	there was a lock file left behind, which implies that one of those two things happened... which one is more likely?
2021-09-09 19:48:29	Namarrgon	that's one way to interrupt it, yes
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2021-09-09 19:48:42	DF32	Well, thats a possibility
2021-09-09 19:48:58	Namarrgon	what was it doing when you killed it?
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2021-09-09 19:49:54	thebombzen	I'm back and I removed xf86-video-intel
2021-09-09 19:50:01	thebombzen	the problem still persists. here's my old log. https://0x0.st/-wka.old
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2021-09-09 19:51:19	DF32	I'm not tottaly sure If I used it or not. But if it was that or an error. But if something happen was probably when installing sudo or xorg or nvidia
2021-09-09 19:51:44	Namarrgon	DF32: post your ~1k last lines of the pacman log
2021-09-09 19:53:26	DF32	!pastepacman
2021-09-09 19:53:26	phrik	LC_ALL=C pacman --debug <your pacman options> |& tee >(curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io)
2021-09-09 19:53:46	thursdaylark	thebombzen: interesting... at 82.804s it complains about your touchpad going out of expected range, then at 95.459s it starts shutting down... is ~13 seconds close to the time between lockup and xorg exiting?
2021-09-09 19:54:10	DF32	LC_ALL=C /var/log/pacman.log |& tee >(curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io)
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2021-09-09 19:54:22	DF32	like that? Namarrgon
2021-09-09 19:54:28	thebombzen	thursdaylark: that's because that's how long it took me to kill Xorg
2021-09-09 19:54:43	thebombzen	at least that sounds about right
2021-09-09 19:55:01	thebombzen	xorg freezing up naturally freezes up my IRC client. so in order to report back I have to kill and restart the X server
2021-09-09 19:55:17	thebombzen	and I do that by pushing Ctrl+Alt+F2 and then "killall Xorg"
2021-09-09 19:55:30	thebombzen	I suppose it catches SIGTERM and exists gracefully (logging itself)
2021-09-09 19:55:31	Namarrgon	DF32: curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io </path/to/file
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2021-09-09 19:56:08	DF32	almost '=D 
2021-09-09 19:56:08	Namarrgon	thebombzen: what else is the calculator key labeled with?
2021-09-09 19:56:29	thursdaylark	thebombzen: fwiw I get around that by running a terminal-based client in tmux and reattaching as necessary, if that's a big enough problem to solve
2021-09-09 19:56:50	thebombzen	on the keyboard itself it's just a picture. I'm not entirely sure if the button goes by names other than XF86Calculator
2021-09-09 19:57:12	thebombzen	considering that xdotool key XF86Calculator *doesn't* cause the problem
2021-09-09 19:57:14	Namarrgon	it doesn't have a second level?
2021-09-09 19:57:22	Namarrgon	or third
2021-09-09 19:57:23	thebombzen	I'm not sure what a "second level" means in this context
2021-09-09 19:57:39	thebombzen	how would I find out if there's other names for the button?
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2021-09-09 19:58:08	thursdaylark	thebombzen: this a laptop? 
2021-09-09 19:58:11	Namarrgon	if it's a cramped laptop keyboard then it probably has different keycodes depending on the modifiers you press
2021-09-09 19:58:21	Namarrgon	no laptop can afford a dedicated calculator key
2021-09-09 19:58:33	thebombzen	It is a laptop but it  has a dedicated calculator key. it's a row above the actual home row
2021-09-09 19:58:43	thursdaylark	thebombzen: what model?
2021-09-09 19:58:49	⚡ 	thursdaylark is gonna look for product pictures
2021-09-09 19:59:07	thebombzen	HP Probook 6550b. It's very old
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2021-09-09 19:59:31	thebombzen	I've had this thing for years and this problem only started happening in the last 2 months or so
2021-09-09 19:59:31	DF32	Namarrgon http://ix.io/3yoy
2021-09-09 19:59:49	thebombzen	I dont' remember because I rarely use it. I have a desktop. this laptop is mostly for email/browsing and taking notes in class
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2021-09-09 20:01:09	thursdaylark	Ah HAH! They're capacitive keys, aren't they?
2021-09-09 20:01:17	thebombzen	I don't know, are they?
2021-09-09 20:01:46	⚡ 	matrixlark uploaded an image: (2082KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/thurstylark.com/YQQRxGxecWKyigkcMdQEPABv/image.png >
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2021-09-09 20:01:56	thebombzen	the actual button used to work like 2 months ago.  and the other keys nearby it (mute, volume, etc.) this has to be a software problem
2021-09-09 20:02:01	thursdaylark	The key you're hitting is on the same row with the volume and stuff, right?
2021-09-09 20:02:31	⚡ 	thursdaylark can't see which one is calculator with the backlight off in that pic...
2021-09-09 20:02:33	thebombzen	It's the key right next to volume up, it's above end/page up. but again, the key itself used to work and the other ones work. I can't imagine this isn't a software issue
2021-09-09 20:02:57	thursdaylark	Hah, that might just be it, then...
2021-09-09 20:03:08	thebombzen	might be what
2021-09-09 20:03:35	thursdaylark	I think that whole touchbar shows up to libinput as this touchpad that xorg is complaining about
2021-09-09 20:03:49	thebombzen	pretty sure the touchpad is my trackpad
2021-09-09 20:04:01	thebombzen	but that might be correct
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2021-09-09 20:04:17	thebombzen	and even so, the volume buttons work. why would that one not work
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2021-09-09 20:04:34	thursdaylark	the error is "out of range". That's the button furthest to the edge
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2021-09-09 20:04:47	thursdaylark	seems like it's related
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2021-09-09 20:06:20	DF32	Namarrgon Seeing the logs, I remember it gave me some error removing vi, but It removed it still. So I ignored it 
2021-09-09 20:06:43	DF32	But after that It let me install other stuff, so probably not that
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2021-09-09 20:06:56	thebombzen	thursdaylark: https://0x0.st/-wkp.jpg
2021-09-09 20:07:11	thebombzen	oh wow that's a big image
2021-09-09 20:07:54	Betal	we can see how clean it is in full hd
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2021-09-09 20:08:09	thebombzen	the laptop is vintage 2009
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2021-09-09 20:08:25	thebombzen	and I dont clean it that much
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2021-09-09 20:13:49	thursdaylark	thebombzen: run this, touch the calculator button, and post the output: https://man.archlinux.org/man/extra/libinput/libinput-measure-touch-size.1.en
2021-09-09 20:13:49	phrik	Title: libinput-measure-touch-size(1) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2021-09-09 20:13:49	thebombzen	well touching the calculator button will immediately freeze my X server
2021-09-09 20:13:49	thebombzen	I don't believe it's a touch event
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2021-09-09 20:13:49	thebombzen	it's just a button. not a touchscreen
2021-09-09 20:13:49	thursdaylark	how do you know that's how the kernel sees it?
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2021-09-09 20:13:49	thursdaylark	because hardware manufacturers do lazy shit that they fix in drivers alllll the time
2021-09-09 20:13:49	thursdaylark	that's like the majority of what libinput does: fix hardware quirks
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2021-09-09 20:14:43	thebombzen	I can try but if I disconnect you'll know why
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2021-09-09 20:17:33	teraflops	rip
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2021-09-09 20:21:36	thebombzen	thursdaylark: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: This device does not have the capabilities for size-based touch detection.
2021-09-09 20:21:41	thebombzen	It didn't even ask me to touch it, it just failed.
2021-09-09 20:23:25	thursdaylark	thebombzen: ah, damn, mis-clicked. this is the tool that I was really intending: https://man.archlinux.org/man/libinput-measure-touchpad-size.1
2021-09-09 20:23:26	phrik	Title: libinput-measure-touchpad-size(1) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2021-09-09 20:23:51	thebombzen	it's asking me for wthe width and the height
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2021-09-09 20:24:54	thebombzen	pretty sure the touchpad is the actual touchpad though
2021-09-09 20:25:10	thebombzen	since libinput list-devices only lists one device that has pointer capabilities. and it's that one
2021-09-09 20:26:02	thursdaylark	Actually, taking another look at it, this is a bit too far down the road. Let's try using `libinput debug-events` and pressing one of the buttons that doesn't implode things... https://man.archlinux.org/man/libinput-measure-touchpad-size.1
2021-09-09 20:26:04	phrik	Title: libinput-measure-touchpad-size(1) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2021-09-09 20:26:33	thursdaylark	this way we can match it with a device number and all that goodness before we start barking up the hwdb tree :P
2021-09-09 20:26:42	thebombzen	I believe the problem here is the device HP WMI hotkeys
2021-09-09 20:26:54	thebombzen	which is at /dev/input/event6
2021-09-09 20:27:06	thursdaylark	let's find that out for sure, then
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2021-09-09 20:29:36	thebombzen	thursdaylark: The entire keyboard is /dev/input/event3 including the top row and the normal keyboard
2021-09-09 20:29:46	thebombzen	outisde of an X server, it works fine
2021-09-09 20:29:54	thebombzen	pushing the calc key reports KEY_CALC being pushed
2021-09-09 20:30:25	Namarrgon	which wm/de are you using?
2021-09-09 20:30:39	Namarrgon	DF32: pacman -Qkk gpgme gpg pacman
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2021-09-09 20:30:56	thebombzen	Namarrgon: MATE / marco
2021-09-09 20:31:09	Namarrgon	can you start some stupid wm instead?
2021-09-09 20:31:15	Namarrgon	openbox or something like that
2021-09-09 20:31:24	thebombzen	I can start *no* WM. but I don't have any toys installed on this piece of crap
2021-09-09 20:31:44	thebombzen	libinput reports KEY_MUTE and KEY_CALC being pushed as normal in a TTY
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2021-09-09 20:32:06	thebombzen	in :0, it reports KEY_MUTE being pushed, and KEY_CALC locks it up
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2021-09-09 20:32:16	thebombzen	xdotool key doesn't recognize either KEY_MUTE or KEY_CALC
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2021-09-09 20:32:52	thebombzen	I can try to start a different weird WM but I'm not entirely sure how to do that. I have xinitrc hooked up to exec mate-session
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2021-09-09 20:33:00	thebombzen	and I'm not entirely sure how to start X without that
2021-09-09 20:33:06	Namarrgon	install the wm and change the exec line
2021-09-09 20:33:21	thebombzen	I suppose, just pacman -S openbox and then change it to exec openbox?
2021-09-09 20:33:37	Namarrgon	yup
2021-09-09 20:33:55	LuksNuke	Hello. I have a colored PS1 string (putting commands like $(tput setaf x) into \[ \] pairs. but sometimes cursor is not next to "$ " when using the terminal. what can cause this problem?
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2021-09-09 20:34:44	DF32	Namarrgon "gpgme: 77 files in total, 0 files changed. error: package 'gpg' not found". pacman: 399 files in total, 0 files changed"
2021-09-09 20:35:45	Namarrgon	sorry, that was supposed to be "opengpg"
2021-09-09 20:35:57	Namarrgon	sorry, that was supposed to be "gnupg"
2021-09-09 20:36:06	Namarrgon	i should check that stuff first...
2021-09-09 20:36:23	DF32	pacman -Qkk gpgme gnupg pacman?
2021-09-09 20:37:17	Namarrgon	yeah but we already know that gpgme and pacman are fine
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2021-09-09 20:38:05	thebombzen	Namarrgon: wow you weren't joking, this is really some stupid WM. what now?
2021-09-09 20:38:07	DF32	Same output. Just "gnupg: 210 files in total..."
2021-09-09 20:38:30	Namarrgon	thebombzen: now hit the explode-key
2021-09-09 20:38:47	thebombzen	nothing happened
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2021-09-09 20:38:57	Namarrgon	no crashing? no hanging?
2021-09-09 20:39:15	thebombzen	no exploding. just as much absolutely nothing as the volume keys next to it
2021-09-09 20:39:22	thebombzen	which is literally nothing
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2021-09-09 20:39:38	thursdaylark	yeah, I was worried that I was latching on the wrong thing there
2021-09-09 20:39:57	thebombzen	possibly worth mentioning is that my mate session is launched with exec dbus-launch --exit-with-session mate-session
2021-09-09 20:40:00	Namarrgon	what does xev report about it?
2021-09-09 20:40:05	thebombzen	rather than just exec mate-session
2021-09-09 20:40:12	Namarrgon	remove dbus-launch
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2021-09-09 20:42:47	Namarrgon	do your xinitrc have the loop from the stock xinitrc that sources the xinit.d scripts?
2021-09-09 20:42:49	Namarrgon	*does
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2021-09-09 20:44:20	thebombzen	Namarrgon: xev behaves as it did in a TTY. reports the presses and nothing happens otherwise
2021-09-09 20:44:37	thebombzen	Namarrgon: no it's just two lines. #!/bin/sh being the first one
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2021-09-09 20:44:51	Namarrgon	you should read the xinit page on the wiki again, your xinitrc is broken
2021-09-09 20:45:19	thebombzen	it was empty until I created it
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2021-09-09 20:45:27	thebombzen	I can try that in a moment
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2021-09-09 20:45:44	DF32	Namarrgon I think its because I did in some packages "pacman -Sy <package>".  https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=219674   https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_maintenance#Partial_upgrades_are_unsupported
2021-09-09 20:45:46	phrik	Title: GPGME error: Invalid crypto engine / Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-09-09 20:46:05	DF32	Should I just reinstall arch again?
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2021-09-09 20:46:21	Betal	!reinstall
2021-09-09 20:46:21	phrik	a reinstall isn't a solution to your problem, period.
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2021-09-09 20:46:32	DF32	lmao
2021-09-09 20:47:09	thebombzen	Namarrgon: Changing .xinitrc to use "exec mate-session" directly instead of dbus-launch --exit-with-session appears to have fixed the issue
2021-09-09 20:47:26	Namarrgon	thebombzen: you need the for loop
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2021-09-09 20:47:38	ℹ 	xoan2 es conocido ahora como xoan
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2021-09-09 20:47:47	Namarrgon	your dbus setup is broken and mate probable crashes because of it
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2021-09-09 20:48:02	Namarrgon	DF32: reset the keyring
2021-09-09 20:48:31	Namarrgon	DF32: pacman -Q gnupg gpgme
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2021-09-09 20:49:34	DF32	@Nama
2021-09-09 20:49:49	DF32	Namarrgon Try to install some packge after?
2021-09-09 20:49:56	thebombzen	Namarrgon: do you think if I include the .xinitrc preamble, then dbus-launch won't be borked?
2021-09-09 20:49:56	Namarrgon	after what?
2021-09-09 20:50:07	DF32	pacman -Q gnupg gpgme
2021-09-09 20:50:09	Namarrgon	thebombzen: which preamble?
2021-09-09 20:50:18	Namarrgon	DF32: what is hte output of that?
2021-09-09 20:50:21	thebombzen	all that stuff before the actual program launch
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2021-09-09 20:50:44	Namarrgon	thebombzen: you need the loop that sources the xinitr.d scripts, the rest is up to you
2021-09-09 20:50:44	DF32	"gnupg 2.2.12-1. gpgme 1.16.0-1"
2021-09-09 20:50:54	Namarrgon	2.2.12-1?
2021-09-09 20:51:11	thebombzen	Namarrgon: I ask because removing dbus-launch worked. I don't want to add it back fi it's gonna just rebreak something
2021-09-09 20:51:20	DF32	**"2.2.19.-1"
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2021-09-09 20:51:26	Namarrgon	thebombzen: it wasn't supposed to be there, don't add it back
2021-09-09 20:51:26	DF32	**"2.2.29.-1"
2021-09-09 20:51:38	thebombzen	okay thanks
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2021-09-09 20:51:43	thebombzen	I don't remember why it was there at all
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2021-09-09 20:53:15	thebombzen	Well, either way, thanks for the help. it appears the culprit was indeed that dbus-launch
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2021-09-09 20:55:43	Namarrgon	DF32: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Resetting_all_the_keys
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2021-09-10 08:40:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-09-10 08:40:33	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1304 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1304 normals)
2021-09-10 06:05:16	ttnk	well i needed some modules for irssi, so i installed them with cpan 
2021-09-10 06:05:19	ttnk	thanks sheep 
2021-09-10 06:53:26	julie_pilgrim	out of curiosity what window manager are yall using 
2021-09-10 06:53:45	julie_pilgrim	currently using dwm
2021-09-10 06:56:09	mags	currently? none. usually, i3.
2021-09-10 06:57:20	kevr	sway
2021-09-10 07:13:39	bhava	sway here julie_pilgrim
2021-09-10 07:14:46	julie_pilgrim	what does sway mean
2021-09-10 07:15:08	aaket504	its wayland's tiling wm
2021-09-10 07:15:57	bhava	it's the equivalent of i3, but with wayland as oppsoed to xorg
2021-09-10 07:16:37	kirk781	The devil life has got them in it's sway
2021-09-10 07:43:12	Hydragyrum	sway literally works with the same config format as i3 and functions almost identically -- it's more or less a port of i3 to wayland
2021-09-10 07:56:29	rabbitnightmare	is anyone on and awake?
2021-09-10 07:56:44	rabbitnightmare	I am desperately trying to get OBS to work with wayland
2021-09-10 07:56:57	rabbitnightmare	xorg is SO unstable
2021-09-10 07:57:06	rabbitnightmare	any help would be greatly appreciated
2021-09-10 08:23:48	Strykar	weird, OBS works fine here with xorg. I don't use wayland
2021-09-10 08:28:55	ari1152	OBS on Wayland is unlikely to work, unfortunately.
2021-09-10 08:40:34	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-10 08:47:40	jelle	ariaverge: doesn't it do screensharing via pipewire now
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2021-09-10 08:49:06	ariaverge	According to this post (that admittedly I just found via Google) it supports pipewire and wayland natively in v27 - https://www.linuxuprising.com/2021/06/obs-studio-27-released-with-wayland-and.html
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2021-09-10 08:49:54	ariaverge	But if I had to guess, it's locked under a compile flag in the PKGBUILD like a lot of other recent features
2021-09-10 08:50:15	ariaverge	Installing obs-studio-git from the AUR and editing the PKGBUILD is how I get proper browser source support enabled
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2021-09-10 17:46:48	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1337 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1337 normals)
2021-09-10 14:54:02	DeeJayh_	so i created a custom archlinux iso when I included the cloud-init files to have it start ssh by default wtih key auth. I plan to install this on a headless server and need a way to configure it so I don't have to pull the server off the rack. Everything works great, except that when I log in with the keyfile, it is still asking me for a password for root.
2021-09-10 14:56:54	mingdao	That key is in root's .ssh/authorized_keys ?
2021-09-10 14:57:20	DeeJayh_	mingdao: I followed the instructions here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_via_SSH#Prepare_cloud-init_configuration_files
2021-09-10 14:57:21	phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux via SSH - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-10 14:58:48	mingdao	DeeJayh_: I've never done that, and don't have the time to read it thoroughly or test.  I do know to ssh into a server as root you need the publickey in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
2021-09-10 14:59:24	mingdao	That seems to be set by user-data in your link.
2021-09-10 14:59:28	DeeJayh_	Right
2021-09-10 14:59:48	DeeJayh_	it even accepts my key, so I know that part is correct
2021-09-10 14:59:56	DeeJayh_	the problem is, it then asks for a password
2021-09-10 15:01:22	DeeJayh_	I tried "root" without the quotes, no dice. Since this is the installing environment that loads from the squashfs, I don't know what I'm supposed to do about that.
2021-09-10 15:02:37	mingdao	Does it mention configuring /etc/ssh/sshd_config ?
2021-09-10 15:02:48	mingdao	Such as:  PasswordAuthentication no
2021-09-10 15:03:09	mingdao	As I said, no eXPerience with this, so I should let someone else help you.
2021-09-10 15:03:12	mingdao	!bail
2021-09-10 15:03:12	phrik	Looks like mingdao is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2021-09-10 15:03:44	DeeJayh_	Nope. The cloud-init files handle all that each time it loads. That's probably a good call, but I appreciated the effort anyways.
2021-09-10 15:09:04	chiselfuse	#archlinux: Total of 1337 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 1337 normal]
2021-09-10 15:09:08	chiselfuse	lol
2021-09-10 15:09:56	Gagis	next up, 31337
2021-09-10 15:13:35	chiselfuse	Should I install certbot from the arch repositories or install snapd to get it from snapd like it's recommended by Let's Encrypt? I feel reluctant of snap. Also, does anyone recommend to get Let's Encrypt signing without using their certbot running in the background fiddling with configs and whatnot?
2021-09-10 15:14:21	DeeJayh_	chiselfuse: what's your reason for wanting to use snap, that's the real question on what's worth doing
2021-09-10 15:15:16	chiselfuse	On the official certbot portal they say I should get it from snap, not from distro repos.
2021-09-10 15:16:02	ayekat	any upstream who thinks they know better than distros are going to recommend that, so I'd take that recommendation with a grain of salt
2021-09-10 15:16:04	DeeJayh_	Ahh I see, well AL repo and the AUR are both usually pretty up to date and "safe" bets. I would compare versions
2021-09-10 15:16:17	DeeJayh_	Yea, what ayekat said lol
2021-09-10 15:19:31	chiselfuse	Well, at least snap's official install guide for arch tells you to get it from the aur, still won't bother I think.
2021-09-10 15:19:43	chiselfuse	It needs some socket running as a daemon too, I don't want that.
2021-09-10 15:20:12	Cirrus_Minor	snap should have stuck to playing cards
2021-09-10 15:20:18	chiselfuse	lel
2021-09-10 15:21:01	ayekat	community/certbot should be sufficiently up-to-date, and that's probably all that counts
2021-09-10 15:21:10	Cirrus_Minor	forsee crackle & pop being forks
2021-09-10 15:21:10	DeeJayh_	chiselfuse: yea, strange. There might be another avenue to achieve your dreams.
2021-09-10 15:21:16	DeeJayh_	Unrelated; Anyone with experience doing headless installs. I followed the guide to setup cloud-init and it worked. I have a custom USB drive that boots AND sets up SSH with my public key which I can then connect to. However, it asked me for a password for root after accepting my key, which I don't have and isn't something default like "root". Thoguhts? Article:
2021-09-10 15:21:16	DeeJayh_	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_via_SSH#Prepare_cloud-
2021-09-10 15:21:18	phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux via SSH - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-10 15:21:18	DeeJayh_	init_configuration_files
2021-09-10 15:21:37	DeeJayh_	Of course the link got shredded
2021-09-10 15:21:57	Cirrus_Minor	DeeJayh_: disable root login in ssh/sshd config ?
2021-09-10 15:22:05	ayekat	the only situation where I could think of the snap approach being worth considering is if you're somehow stuck with an ancient release of some distro that doesn't ship an up-to-date version of certbot - and even there, I'd consider it a bandaid at best (and probably prefer using something else, like dehydrated)
2021-09-10 15:22:43	DeeJayh_	Cirrus_Minor: How? This is the squashfs filesystem being loaded from the USB drive and SSH being enabled by cloud-init. Unless I missed something in the guide Anyone with experience doing headless installs. I followed the guide to setup cloud-init and it worked. I have a custom USB drive that boots AND sets up SSH with my public key which I can then connect to. However, it asked me for a
2021-09-10 15:22:43	DeeJayh_	password for root after accepting my key, which I 
2021-09-10 15:22:45	DeeJayh_	don't have and isn't something default like "root". Thoguhts? Article: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_via_SSH#Prepare_cloud-init_configuration_files
2021-09-10 15:22:46	phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux via SSH - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-10 15:22:58	DeeJayh_	jesus
2021-09-10 15:23:18	DeeJayh_	Sorry for that mess, let's pretend that didn't happen and do the correct copy/paste this time.
2021-09-10 15:23:31	DeeJayh_	Cirrus_Minor: How? This is the squashfs filesystem being loaded from the USB drive and SSH being enabled by cloud-init. Unless I missed something in the guide https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_via_SSH#Prepare_cloud-init_configuration_files
2021-09-10 15:23:33	phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux via SSH - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-10 15:23:33	chiselfuse	Oh God again.
2021-09-10 15:25:00	chiselfuse	DeeJayh_: I don't know about these headless automated stuff but the option for disabling passwords and root logins is in /etc/ssh/sshd_config.
2021-09-10 15:25:06	DeeJayh_	Cirrus_Minor: I'll take a look in the airootfs and see if that's something I can change
2021-09-10 15:25:55	Cirrus_Minor	DeeJayh_: yeah sorrry bro, i know headless not so much cloud-init & squashfs
2021-09-10 15:29:13	DeeJayh_	alright I explicitly set passwordauth to no. lets rebuild and see if that works. I just don't know why it would ask for the password in the first place when its accepting the keyfile
2021-09-10 15:30:29	chiselfuse	DeeJayh_ Oh, don't worry that's alright, it's always worked like that.
2021-09-10 15:30:44	chiselfuse	About you having to explicitly disable passwords that is.
2021-09-10 15:32:58	DeeJayh_	I'm so dumb
2021-09-10 15:33:36	DeeJayh_	chiselfuse: it's got nothing to do with any of it. It was total user error and nothing that anyone would have ever guessed, and honestly, statistically will never happen again in human history.
2021-09-10 15:33:54	DeeJayh_	We'll just pretend I never asked the question. This never happened.
2021-09-10 15:33:59	chiselfuse	DeeJayh_: I'm interested.
2021-09-10 15:34:00	chiselfuse	No no
2021-09-10 15:34:05	chiselfuse	I want to know now
2021-09-10 15:34:10	chiselfuse	I HAVE to know
2021-09-10 15:34:10	DeeJayh_	lmao
2021-09-10 15:34:17	DeeJayh_	alright, you got a cup of cocoa?
2021-09-10 15:34:24	chiselfuse	Yeah sure
2021-09-10 15:36:38	DeeJayh_	I had a key named after my server's hostname. I re-generated the key to have a shorter one using PuttyGen (using something other than RSA this time). I saved it under the same name, knowing I was going to trash it again anyways. The PROBLEM is that I saved it as a PPK file, for putty, BUT I NEVER SAVED THE CONVERTED PEM FILE FOR USING WITH THE SSH COMMAND. I've been trying to connect using an
2021-09-10 15:36:38	DeeJayh_	ecrypted key file from my old key that's x 
2021-09-10 15:36:39	DeeJayh_	years old.
2021-09-10 15:37:36	DeeJayh_	tl:dr; I had a brand new useless ppk and was using the old pem file as my -i in ssh
2021-09-10 15:38:21	chiselfuse	Well, surely with enough debugging, everything, always, get's resolved.
2021-09-10 15:38:36	chiselfuse	s/get's/gets/
2021-09-10 15:39:03	DeeJayh_	Yea, I could have saved myself a bunch of time by, you know, being vigilant in recognizing different file extensions...
2021-09-10 15:39:15	DeeJayh_	I like the vim reference, nicely done.
2021-09-10 15:39:32	DeeJayh_	haha yep
2021-09-10 15:39:36	DeeJayh_	alright back to testing
2021-09-10 15:39:39	chiselfuse	Do you use Putty on Linux?
2021-09-10 15:43:05	DeeJayh_	chiselfuse: no, my primary desktop is still M$, once anticheats get their shit together and create linux clients, I'll make the final conversion.
2021-09-10 15:43:20	DeeJayh_	h4rd3n3D_: sure enough, all is working as expected now
2021-09-10 15:55:04	Gagis	probably a reference to how a majority of games nowadays run on linux trough wine and proton but anticheat rootkits etc. remain the main exception to that, tho a few have made exceptions to detect and allow wine based installations to connect to servers
2021-09-10 16:01:05	DF32	Hey. I'm trying to enable audio but having some issues/questions. I installed alsamixer as mentioned in Wiki but I didn't add the user to the audio group since I saw in 2 separate arch wiki articles that doing that is not recomended. So, I need to add the user to the audio group is me not having problem is other issue? (Already unmuted the master
2021-09-10 16:01:06	DF32	in alsamixer)
2021-09-10 16:01:52	DF32	*So, do I need to add the user to the audio group or me having issues is another problem?
2021-09-10 16:03:06	maztheman	hmm having issues with teams 
2021-09-10 16:03:14	maztheman	should I try the snap package ?
2021-09-10 16:04:35	maztheman	flatpak ?
2021-09-10 16:07:23	maztheman	it always works once then when I reboot never works again
2021-09-10 16:08:25	repo	hey!
2021-09-10 16:08:49	repo	i'm trying to set up suspend to disk on my thinkpad p14s 2g amd
2021-09-10 16:09:24	repo	i've managed to hibernate and resume but after resuming it's in some weird state
2021-09-10 16:09:45	repo	and can't be shut down without long pressing the power button
2021-09-10 16:09:51	repo	it kinda works
2021-09-10 16:10:39	repo	but not really... hard to describe. the programs that were open still are and work, but i've noticed that wifi is gone and suspend/hibernat/shutdown don't work anymore
2021-09-10 16:12:58	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-10 16:23:22	DF32	h4rd3n3D_ Thanks, will have a look into that if I can't figure out  how to solve the alsa problem
2021-09-10 16:27:02	ius	!paste
2021-09-10 16:27:02	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-09-10 16:37:38	phrik	Title: PulseAudio - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-10 16:43:39	DF32	Thanks, I already used PulseAudio once before. I'm just trying to figure it out why alsa doesn't work before going into other options.  In the wiki says to unmute PCM channel, but in alsamixer I don't have an PCM channel. weird
2021-09-10 16:45:04	Mysterytrain	what's your card
2021-09-10 16:47:46	Mysterytrain	ive seen cards that don't have pcm or master. they call it speaker
2021-09-10 16:48:01	Mysterytrain	so you had to do something like amixer set Speaker unmute
2021-09-10 16:50:29	DF32	When I do "aplay -l"? 
2021-09-10 16:51:46	DF32	Or F6 in alsamixer? It shows to cards there: HDA Nvidia and HD-Audio Generic
2021-09-10 16:51:51	DF32	I think its the Generic
2021-09-10 16:51:55	DF32	*two
2021-09-10 16:52:25	Mysterytrain	if you have an HDMI port, your audio may be stolen by that
2021-09-10 16:52:46	barbarossa93	folks who undervolt their intel cpus, do you have any pointers on getting started?
2021-09-10 16:53:07	bebop	pulseaudio ?
2021-09-10 16:53:35	bebop	most of the time, 'pulseaudio -k' fixes things
2021-09-10 16:53:40	bebop	have you tried that?
2021-09-10 16:53:49	thrice	why would one undervolt their cpu?
2021-09-10 16:53:51	DF32	Mysterytrain I have one monitor conected by HDMI. Are you telling me that that may be causing that? O.o
2021-09-10 16:54:13	bebop	DF32: have you tried the simple: pulseaudio -k   ???
2021-09-10 16:54:26	DF32	bebop Not yet, I didnt install pulseaudio
2021-09-10 16:54:47	Mysterytrain	HDMI delivers audio and video, so yep, if it ends up being your default device, and your HDMI monitor has no speakers, that's ylikely your answer
2021-09-10 16:55:26	barbarossa93	thrice: to try and squeeze more time out of my battery ideally
2021-09-10 16:55:57	bebop	barbarossa93: are you using tlp or another app ?
2021-09-10 16:56:08	bebop	another power management app
2021-09-10 16:56:13	DF32	Mysterytrain  Any way to go around that? damn
2021-09-10 16:56:20	barbarossa93	bebop: I am using tlp, but it explicitly doesn't undervolt
2021-09-10 16:56:31	bebop	why undervolt ?
2021-09-10 16:56:32	Mysterytrain	you'll have to set your default card in asound.conf
2021-09-10 16:56:49	Mysterytrain	there should be some good examples on the wiki
2021-09-10 16:57:12	bebop	barbarossa93: AMD ?
2021-09-10 16:57:13	CubeTheThird	barbarossa93, I'd recommend you do a search to see what voltage others have been able to pull off, then try lowering the voltage to similar values, followed by running stability tests
2021-09-10 16:57:50	DF32	Mysterytrain If I installed some other package, like pulseaudio, would that still be a problem?
2021-09-10 16:57:50	bebop	amdctl or intel-undervolt 
2021-09-10 16:58:05	Mysterytrain	DF32: actually i'd make it easier
2021-09-10 16:58:21	Mysterytrain	if you install pulseaudio you can set default device with pavucontrol
2021-09-10 16:58:42	bebop	Mysterytrain: or if he is using a DE like Plasma he can set the default in the gui in systray
2021-09-10 16:58:53	bebop	does he even have a sound server installed?
2021-09-10 16:58:53	barbarossa93	CubeTheThird: yeah, I've googled a bit, just thought I'd ask here though in case anyone had something I haven't found
2021-09-10 16:59:02	Mysterytrain	bebop: correct
2021-09-10 16:59:14	barbarossa93	CubeTheThird: and you gave me something to work with, what would you recommend for a stability test?
2021-09-10 16:59:28	bebop	DF32: why don't you just install pulseaudio to see if it works 
2021-09-10 16:59:31	barbarossa93	bebop: intel-undervolt
2021-09-10 16:59:46	bebop	barbarossa93: what cpu is it?
2021-09-10 16:59:46	CubeTheThird	barbarossa93, mprime is generally a good test. Can also run benchmarks in e.g. blender
2021-09-10 16:59:52	bebop	like koby lake etc..
2021-09-10 17:00:14	barbarossa93	bebop: comet lake
2021-09-10 17:00:22	barbarossa93	CubeTheThird: thanks, I'll check those out!
2021-09-10 17:00:48	DF32	Hmm, okay thanks... Don't want to waste time configuring audio, already have to do some changes in monitors config. Not using DE.  Will install pulseaudio then
2021-09-10 17:00:52	DF32	Thanks for help
2021-09-10 17:01:07	bebop	not sure where comet lake is at but it explicitly states  "NOT compatible with Tiger Lake and above"
2021-09-10 17:01:56	bebop	intel_undervolt that is
2021-09-10 17:02:47	thebombzen_	I have an archbox with a dual boot to windows (via GRUB). I'm wondering if there's a way to go *back and forth* between the two remotely
2021-09-10 17:03:52	thebombzen_	I have an SSH server on both (same keys), and I can use it to call each machine's respective reboot, but GRUB as far as I'm aware picks either "last booted option" or a specific default
2021-09-10 17:04:11	thebombzen_	is there a way to reboot from linux into windows and then from windows back into linux with GRUB?
2021-09-10 17:04:25	bebop	barbarossa93: May 28 2021 -- "NOTE it is no longer possible to 'undervolt intel processors with modern BIOSes and microcode.
2021-09-10 17:04:31	bebop	do you fall in that category ?
2021-09-10 17:04:57	another|	thebombzen_: maybe you could modify the last booted option
2021-09-10 17:05:25	thebombzen_	what do you mean?
2021-09-10 17:05:32	thurstylark	thebombzen_: There's an easy way to do that with systemd-boot, but I think with grub you'd probably have to drop in a custom grub.config before reboot or something equally silly 
2021-09-10 17:05:36	barbarossa93	bebop: nope, tiger lake is one generation above me
2021-09-10 17:05:52	bebop	do you have a modern bios and microcode ?
2021-09-10 17:06:09	barbarossa93	bebop: I mean, define "modern"
2021-09-10 17:06:21	bebop	do you need microcode or are you using it ?
2021-09-10 17:06:22	thebombzen_	thurstylark: so basically in GRUB it's not possible without going in and editing the entries
2021-09-10 17:06:45	thebombzen_	which I could do since the ESP is FAT32 and all my systems understand it
2021-09-10 17:06:55	thebombzen_	but that sounds kind of gross
2021-09-10 17:07:09	thebombzen_	is this what you'r saying?
2021-09-10 17:08:24	thurstylark	thebombzen_: not necessarily, that's just the way I know might work. I use systemd-boot, so this kind of thing is supported by one-liner commands
2021-09-10 17:08:50	⚡ 	thurstylark looks for that one script to use as an example...
2021-09-10 17:10:44	thurstylark	ugh it's on that one box I don't have access to atm, but it's all done through `bootctl`
2021-09-10 17:11:30	Namarrgon	if you enabled GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=true then grub saves the default entry in /boot/grub/grubenv, which you can manipulate from the running system
2021-09-10 17:16:28	Hello71	h4rd3n3D_: for one, intel doesn't individually test the allowable voltage of each chip. they set a single acceptable level, test that it works on 99.999% of cpus, and then ship it. you may have a better chip that can handle lower voltages. second, aiui the voltage is actually set by the motherboard vendors which are notoriously crap
2021-09-10 17:17:26	Hello71	in recent years cpu manufacturers have added more software to dynamically detect hardware conditions and set appropriate frequency/voltage
2021-09-10 17:17:34	Hello71	but it's still extremely conservative
2021-09-10 17:17:46	Hello71	intel still uses their "frequency licenses"
2021-09-10 17:24:25	CaptainDrewBoy	I have an installed system (running parabola, basically arch with different default repos and openrc). I need to install a package to fix my wifi, but obviously can't do so normally on account of the broken wifi. It occured to me I could do so with my installation usb. So would I be better off using pacstrap to install the package, or chrooting in and using pacman? I want this package to be
2021-09-10 17:24:25	CaptainDrewBoy	usable on my 
2021-09-10 17:24:25	CaptainDrewBoy	system after I have booted into it without the live media.
2021-09-10 17:25:32	phrik	This channel is for Arch Linux support only. Also see https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/service-agreements/-/blob/master/code-of-conduct.md#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2021-09-10 17:27:23	Hello71	>basically arch
2021-09-10 17:27:41	CaptainDrewBoy	Sorry, I figured since it was just patched arch and the (core of) question is applicable to base arch I could ask here, but I guess I'll go elsewhere
2021-09-10 17:28:14	predicament	okay what is wrong with dkms
2021-09-10 17:28:32	predicament	i saw a possible patch
2021-09-10 17:28:35	Foxboron	CaptainDrewBoy: we don't know whats patched. That's the problem
2021-09-10 17:28:39	Foxboron	CaptainDrewBoy: and neither do you :p
2021-09-10 17:28:43	predicament	again
2021-09-10 17:28:46	predicament	possible patch
2021-09-10 17:28:49	fltrz	ok, so I havee a puppylinux liveusb, and now I want to fix the HDD which some dormant windows recovery partition hijacked... how do I do that? will I need to chroot?
2021-09-10 17:28:53	predicament	possible is the keyword sir
2021-09-10 17:29:05	predicament	just saying.
2021-09-10 17:29:58	predicament	well if you're a sir
2021-09-10 17:30:09	CaptainDrewBoy	Fair enough, why don't I generalise my question just so you could give me a jumping off point for my searches then. In arch linux, how would one go about installing (non-kernel) packages on to their installed system from some live media?
2021-09-10 17:30:25	predicament	you don't do that.
2021-09-10 17:30:28	predicament	wtf
2021-09-10 17:30:54	predicament	you can probably find a way to do it
2021-09-10 17:31:04	Foxboron	CaptainDrewBoy: Go seek out support for the distro you are running :) Easier for everyone
2021-09-10 17:31:11	predicament	he isnt running arch
2021-09-10 17:31:14	predicament	wtf
2021-09-10 17:31:21	predicament	get out :P lmao
2021-09-10 17:31:25	predicament	im kidding
2021-09-10 17:31:32	predicament	sorta
2021-09-10 17:32:07	predicament	puppylinux lol
2021-09-10 17:32:13	predicament	why come here for that answer.
2021-09-10 17:32:22	CaptainDrewBoy	I'm not on puppylinux
2021-09-10 17:32:25	predicament	i know
2021-09-10 17:32:29	predicament	well
2021-09-10 17:32:32	predicament	i'd hope no
2021-09-10 17:32:35	predicament	not*
2021-09-10 17:32:35	another|	CaptainDrewBoy: arch-chroot from the installer
2021-09-10 17:32:48	CaptainDrewBoy	then pacman the package in the chroot?
2021-09-10 17:32:53	predicament	you can do it that way
2021-09-10 17:32:58	another|	pretty much
2021-09-10 17:33:00	predicament	that's the ONLY way
2021-09-10 17:33:05	predicament	i thoguth he was
2021-09-10 17:33:07	predicament	nevermind
2021-09-10 17:33:20	ayekat	!give predicament enter
2021-09-10 17:33:20	phrik	predicament: Please type full, complete sentences and use the enter key less. It aids readability and helps others follow the conversation.
2021-09-10 17:33:25	predicament	sorry.
2021-09-10 17:33:39	CaptainDrewBoy	thank you for giving me an answer, and not telling me to get lost another|
2021-09-10 17:33:54	predicament	lmao i was kidding come on man.  i was joking
2021-09-10 17:34:10	predicament	i had some really awful stuff happen and i just was joking, im sorry if you felt targeted
2021-09-10 17:34:20	predicament	someone else said puppylinux.
2021-09-10 17:34:30	predicament	[11:28:49 AM] <fltrz> ok, so I havee a puppylinux liveusb, and now I want to fix the HDD which some dormant windows recovery partition hijacked... how do I do that? will I need to chroot?
2021-09-10 17:35:24	predicament	anyway just ignore me, i'm white noise compared to these guys
2021-09-10 17:36:12	another|	CaptainDrewBoy: That's what *I* would do on an Arch. No idea whether this works on your system since it is not Arch. Also I was paraphrasing. Would have to check the wiki to see if I was missing something.
2021-09-10 17:37:30	CaptainDrewBoy	I mean I'll try it - if it goes wrong I shan't come crying here for help though, as I do respect the fact I am not on base arch. I just wanted a bit of an answer to get me started.
2021-09-10 17:38:20	shan	i was summoned
2021-09-10 17:39:44	shan	h4rd3n3D_: btw that link doesn't exist, looks like it should be tree and not blob
2021-09-10 17:41:19	shan	*file
2021-09-10 17:41:35	fltrz	is there a non netboot arch image that fits on 700MB CD-R?
2021-09-10 17:41:48	shan	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/service-agreements/-/tree/master#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2021-09-10 17:41:50	shan	this one
2021-09-10 17:41:50	phrik	Title: Files · master · Arch Linux / Service Agreements · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2021-09-10 17:42:08	shan	*blob and not tree, my bad
2021-09-10 17:42:21	shan	the link that phrik posts when one uses !notarch
2021-09-10 17:42:43	NetSysFire	good catch
2021-09-10 17:42:44	NetSysFire	!factinfo notarch
2021-09-10 17:42:44	phrik	NetSysFire: notarch: Created by eschwartz on 2018-04-17T03:23:31+0000. Last modified by Namarrgon on 2021-02-01T00:49:14+0000. Last requested by h4rd3n3D_!~h4rd3n3D@wireguard/tunneler/h4rd3n3D on 2021-09-10T15:25:32+0000, requested 612 times.
2021-09-10 17:42:48	⚡ 	NetSysFire looks at Namarrgon
2021-09-10 17:43:18	NetSysFire	oh wait its not locked
2021-09-10 17:43:40	NetSysFire	!no notarch is "<reply>https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only"
2021-09-10 17:43:41	phrik	NetSysFire: Tada!
2021-09-10 17:43:45	NetSysFire	!give shan notarch
2021-09-10 17:43:47	phrik	shan: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2021-09-10 17:43:48	NetSysFire	better?
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2021-09-10 17:55:13	predicament	so is there a patch out there where i can apply this for dkms right now?  unless the problem's already solved... then i can wait
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2021-09-10 17:56:10	predicament	<--- pebkac
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2021-09-10 17:56:35	predicament	alright well hopefully at lunch there will be an answer
2021-09-10 17:56:40	predicament	lol
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2021-09-10 17:58:51	predicament	is there maybe a  link on applying patches?
2021-09-10 17:58:59	predicament	that way i can test this on my vm
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2021-09-10 17:59:42	thrice	patches to packages?
2021-09-10 17:59:58	predicament	dkms is a package so yes
2021-09-10 18:00:00	predicament	i suppose
2021-09-10 18:00:04	predicament	im no programmer
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2021-09-10 18:00:37	thrice	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/tree/packages/dkms/trunk
2021-09-10 18:00:41	thrice	!asp
2021-09-10 18:00:41	phrik	The Arch Build System's younger, smarter cousin. Now available in extra/asp
2021-09-10 18:00:51	predicament	sigh
2021-09-10 18:00:56	thrice	there is already a patch in that PKGBUILD
2021-09-10 18:01:01	rcf	fltrz: I'm fairly sure you'd need to make your own 
2021-09-10 18:01:03	thrice	what do you mean "sigh"
2021-09-10 18:01:08	thrice	that you are forced to read something?
2021-09-10 18:01:08	predicament	okay i want to learn
2021-09-10 18:01:16	predicament	:P
2021-09-10 18:01:23	thrice	!bail
2021-09-10 18:01:23	phrik	Looks like thrice is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2021-09-10 18:02:35	predicament	wait you mean
2021-09-10 18:02:42	predicament	its the patch for dkms 2.8.6
2021-09-10 18:02:44	rcf	fltrz: https://archive.archlinux.org/iso/2021.02.01/archlinux-2021.02.01-x86_64.iso seems to be the most recent that would fit. 
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2021-09-10 18:03:01	predicament	ill look hang on
2021-09-10 18:03:40	predicament	okay so its in PKGBUILD
2021-09-10 18:03:41	thrice	I have no idea what you're trying to patch, all you said was "there seems to be a patch"
2021-09-10 18:03:48	predicament	i understand
2021-09-10 18:03:53	predicament	dkms was correct
2021-09-10 18:03:55	predicament	i didnt know
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2021-09-10 18:04:11	predicament	i didnt check the link
2021-09-10 18:04:18	predicament	i wasnt even sighing about you
2021-09-10 18:04:27	predicament	my lungs have trouble getting air to them
2021-09-10 18:04:30	predicament	'and i just dont feel well
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2021-09-10 18:04:44	thrice	uh huh
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2021-09-10 18:04:49	predicament	ugh
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2021-09-10 18:05:08	predicament	wtf come on man i feel asthmatic at the moment, i really dont feel well
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2021-09-10 18:05:57	predicament	mom's in a rehab wing of a hospital where she lies there and just gets taken to dialysis
2021-09-10 18:06:08	predicament	im not even able to see her
2021-09-10 18:06:21	teraflops	predicament: you are in the wrong chat
2021-09-10 18:06:30	predicament	sorry
2021-09-10 18:06:43	predicament	just one sigh is not all about him
2021-09-10 18:07:02	teraflops	this is not about you being sick either
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2021-09-10 18:07:11	teraflops	so please stick to the topic
2021-09-10 18:07:18	predicament	its why i typed it
2021-09-10 18:07:29	predicament	asthmatic yes its why i typed that
2021-09-10 18:07:40	predicament	thats all
2021-09-10 18:07:53	thrice	believe it or not, you don't need to type real life symptoms to an irc chat
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2021-09-10 18:08:04	predicament	wow
2021-09-10 18:08:35	predicament	alright. i'm officially just fried.  im not gonna flip out here.  i dont have any energy.
2021-09-10 18:08:50	thrice	!next
2021-09-10 18:08:50	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2021-09-10 18:08:50	predicament	take care. thank you for pointing me in the right direction.
2021-09-10 18:08:58	thrice	:)
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2021-09-10 18:26:59	ℹ 	Tema establecido por Namarrgon (~Namarrgon@archlinux/op/Namarrgon) el mié, 09 jun 2021 12:27:05
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2021-09-10 18:27:03	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2021-09-10 18:27:03	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-10 18:28:15	BrainDamage	yes
2021-09-10 18:28:21	susi	have you tried to do it from UEFI interface on boot
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2021-09-10 18:28:38	susi	or BIOS
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2021-09-10 18:29:05	maztheman	yes you can use uefi firmware boot menu to choose a new file to boot
2021-09-10 18:29:28	maztheman	in the grub menu its the last option that says like setup or something
2021-09-10 18:30:01	BrainDamage	the bare minimum commands would be like
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2021-09-10 18:30:05	BrainDamage	linux /boot/vmlinuz-linux root=/path/to/it rw
2021-09-10 18:30:05	BrainDamage	initrd  /boot/initramfs-linux.img
2021-09-10 18:30:17	grazzolini	thebombzen_: pacman -Qx
2021-09-10 18:30:25	BrainDamage	with the path to the arch root partition
2021-09-10 18:30:41	grazzolini	ah, nvm, that's for -F only
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2021-09-10 18:31:14	maztheman	https://szymonkrajewski.pl/how-to-boot-system-from-usb-using-grub/
2021-09-10 18:31:15	phrik	Title: How to boot system from USB using GRUB — Szymon Krajewski — About software development, web technologies and self-improvement (at szymonkrajewski.pl)
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2021-09-10 18:33:30	BrainDamage	that's assuming the efi bootloader image is working
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2021-09-10 18:33:55	BrainDamage	while my commands will boot the kernel in the right partition, using the current bootloader
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2021-09-10 18:47:02	fltrz	jeah fixed it
2021-09-10 18:47:25	maztheman	great news
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2021-09-10 18:49:05	ianliu	today I was on a call in Slack, and people could hear my desktop sounds. I was using a headphone plugged in the P2 port on my laptop, so the sound must have been picked from the desktop itself, not any other speaker
2021-09-10 18:49:17	ianliu	Is there a way to prevent this?
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2021-09-10 19:18:19	DF32	Mysterytrain after all, not a big config, just needed to specifiy the card number
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2021-09-10 19:28:34	Mysterytrain	just remember that card number will (likely) change on reboot
2021-09-10 19:29:21	DF32	unless I "alsactl store"?
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2021-09-10 19:30:52	lucyy	Hi all - in the past days, I've made the (frustrating to troubleshoot) discovery that the usage of ccache with suckless software (at least, dwm and st) results in the unwanted caching of config.h, even when it has changed on disk. Is there anything that should be done to document this? e.g. a section on ArchWiki, a "CCACHE_DISABLE=1" in the PKGBUILDs.
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2021-09-10 19:31:41	Tom^	lucyy: that sounds odd, if config.h changes ccache shouldnt use the cached one hm
2021-09-10 19:32:27	lucyy	Yes, it's annoying - it only appears to be the case with gcc too, I didn't have the issue with clang.
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2021-09-10 19:33:20	lucyy	This screenshot demonstrates the annoyance: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/837309556291272754/885590218391035924/unknown.png.
2021-09-10 19:33:34	lucyy	(if Discord is an issue I can re-up on a FOSS platform if anyone would prefer)
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2021-09-10 19:34:40	DF32	Nevermind Mysterytrain: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture#Configuring_the_index_order_via_kernel_module_options
2021-09-10 19:34:41	phrik	Title: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-09-10 19:35:29	Synthead	Weird question: I'm using rxvt-unicode and i3, and for whatever reason, it occasionally skips the first key I type into the console.  I thought I was just typo-ey, but this is definitely the case!  Any thoughts?
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2021-09-10 19:37:41	Tom^	lucyy: "header files that were used by the compiler are recorded, but header files that were not used, but would have been used if they existed, are not. So, when ccache checks if a result can be taken from the cache, it currently can’t check if the existence of a new header file should invalidate the result."
2021-09-10 19:37:44	susi	I sometimes set zsh in a weird state it skips whatever I'd type, and I need to either press enter or C-c
2021-09-10 19:37:54	Tom^	lucyy: thats all i can find that might make it do so. but
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2021-09-10 19:39:17	Tom^	lucyy: uhm make doesnt use ccache?
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2021-09-10 19:39:43	lucyy	Tom^: yep - on my system i cc overwritten in my PATH
2021-09-10 19:40:04	lucyy	that snippet you posted seems relevant though
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2021-09-10 19:41:19	Tom^	lucyy: yeah idk. perhaps
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2021-09-10 19:42:20	Tom^	lucyy: or well probably since the cc -c output doesnt include config.h so this probably causes it
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2021-09-10 19:44:00	lucyy	Tom^: yeah, adding it to the command manually was something i tried. bad things happened, though
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2021-09-10 19:44:50	lucyy	!paste
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2021-09-10 19:48:13	lucyy	http://ix.io/3yu4 <- make output with a valid config.h, included in the cc command. i just chalked that error up to something about that not being valid gcc usage
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2021-09-10 20:07:49	yamii	Is there a reason that prevents the update of glibc?
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2021-09-10 20:10:00	rcf	yamii: does the new version build 
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2021-09-10 20:10:58	lucyy	with my ccache issue, i am going to open up a discussion on the dwm archwiki page and call it a day there, because if there is actually something wrong, then the solution should be extended to all suckless software that arch and/or the AUR provides packaging and documentation for
2021-09-10 20:11:34	yamii	rcf: Is that a question?
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2021-09-10 20:13:00	rcf	yamii: indeed. If you can say that it works, the question of why it remains old is more meaningful. 
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2021-09-10 20:13:30	rcf	Though the answer is usually because there is no policy about software in Arch actually be up-to-date and you are at the maintainer's mercy. 
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2021-09-10 20:15:04	yamii	I know that and no offence intend to anyone, just asking out of curiosity
2021-09-10 20:15:48	rcf	To which the best answer is usually 'try it and see'. If it works... congratulations, you've got the new glibc. If it doesn't... you have some idea as to why you don't. 
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2021-09-10 20:17:15	rcf	With the caveat that you should probably be testing on a secondary system install because libc is linked to damn near everything and the breakage can be catastrophic 
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2021-09-10 20:18:11	ianliu	maztheman: How would I know if there is a loopback?
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2021-09-10 20:22:14	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-09-10 20:22:14	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1358 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1358 normals)
2021-09-10 20:22:11	ianliu	I've installed Gnome desktop, and it has processes for pulse and pipewire. Don't know how to check for a loopback :P
2021-09-10 20:22:15	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-10 20:24:48	DeeJayh	!paste
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2021-09-10 20:26:31	bin	hello. i got my laptop replacement and it has a ryzen 7 5800h and nvidia rtx 3060. is there anything different i have to install from this one that has a ryzen 7 4800h and nvidia gtx 1660ti?
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2021-09-10 20:26:42	bin	i'll be just popping this ssd into the replacement 
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2021-09-10 20:27:12	bin	the hardware is the same other than the upgraded chips (oem replacement due to defect)
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2021-09-10 20:28:37	bobsy_	hi
2021-09-10 20:28:48	bobsy_	is it just me, or is the openstack-nova AUR broken?/
2021-09-10 20:28:51	bin	hello
2021-09-10 20:28:55	DeeJayh	fresh arch install up and running, adapter shows up in `ip address`, setup a `/etc/systemd/network/20-wired.network` file https://bpa.st/VRHA, enabled systemd-networkd and systemd-resolved... still not IP address listed on the NIC in `ip address`
2021-09-10 20:29:00	bobsy_	i'm having troubles resolving dependencies
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2021-09-10 20:29:33	bobsy_	such as  python2-pyrsistent
2021-09-10 20:29:41	DeeJayh	s/not/no
2021-09-10 20:29:46	Tom^	bin: not really, i got the same specs and with that you dont need bumblebee or optimus manager you can just use nvidia prime like i did. https://gist.github.com/gulafaran/d87e05d940f909ae0beb1863ebfbfb68
2021-09-10 20:30:00	Tom^	bin: mine is an acer nitro 5 with just that cpu and card.
2021-09-10 20:30:10	bin	yeah im using nvidia prime
2021-09-10 20:30:14	bin	awesome :D
2021-09-10 20:30:16	bin	this is an hp omen
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2021-09-10 20:30:29	bobsy_	i have an optimus laptop too :D
2021-09-10 20:30:38	Tom^	with this acer atleast nvidias power management works fine, however requires a few udev rules and modprobe options
2021-09-10 20:30:40	bin	3rd unit in a year, so they decided to be extra nice and give me a "custom build" (their words) with the upgraded cpu and gpu
2021-09-10 20:31:05	bin	the one im using right now is fine except the headphone jack doesnt keep the cable in lmao
2021-09-10 20:31:07	bin	comedy of errors.
2021-09-10 20:31:20	bin	i actually really like this laptop but getting the amd and nvidia stuff playing nice is annoying
2021-09-10 20:31:25	bin	still cant offload hdmi
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2021-09-10 20:31:34	bin	but i never use hdmi these days so it doesnt bother me
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2021-09-10 20:32:18	Tom^	bin: well you need a few things for that, xorg.conf , nvidia-persistenced, udev rule so nvidia_uvm is correctly loaded with /dev paths mounted. and nvidia drm modeset=1 etc, my gist has it all. :P
2021-09-10 20:32:39	Tom^	bin: obviously your BusID in xorg.conf will differ but get it from lspci etc
2021-09-10 20:32:42	bin	Tom^: even still, you cant offload hdmi while using the amd gpu as primary
2021-09-10 20:33:02	Tom^	hm
2021-09-10 20:33:28	bin	nvidia said its not supported "yet"
2021-09-10 20:33:31	DeeJayh	I suppose I could boot and chroot from the install drive, install dhcpd and call it a day, but I'd really like to know what I'm doing wrong. 
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2021-09-10 20:35:23	bobsy_	yo
2021-09-10 20:35:39	bobsy_	can someone confirm for me makepkg -s fails to resolve dependencies for openstack-nova?
2021-09-10 20:36:06	bobsy_	there are missing targets
2021-09-10 20:36:12	bobsy_	python-sphinxcontrib-actdiag
2021-09-10 20:36:15	bobsy_	so on and so forth
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2021-09-10 20:37:13	bobsy_	https://pastebin.com/7YBeDMSb
2021-09-10 20:37:14	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-xsi.txt
2021-09-10 20:37:15	phrik	Title: [bobsy@bobsyarch openstack-nova]$ makepkg -s==> Making package: openstack-nova - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2021-09-10 20:39:03	demonicmaniac	bobsy_: they are aur deps
2021-09-10 20:39:10	DeeJayh	It was a lowercase a instead of a capital A. solved. *sigh*
2021-09-10 20:39:26	bobsy_	demonicmaniac: oic, thanks.  do aur deps have to be installed manually?
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2021-09-10 20:40:53	bobsy_	like do i have to use yay -S on those deps, or checkout the git and run makepkg for each dep that resides in the aur tree?
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2021-09-10 20:41:26	demonicmaniac	if you already use yay then yay openstack should resolve aur deps and build in order
2021-09-10 20:41:47	demonicmaniac	otherwise yes. or use something like aurutils
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2021-09-10 20:42:28	bobsy_	demonicmaniac: if i run makepkg -s, or yay -S, neither work
2021-09-10 20:42:37	bobsy_	i still get unresolved deps error
2021-09-10 20:42:46	morganamilo	send the error then
2021-09-10 20:43:02	DeeJayh	Is `yay` "the move"? I haven't played with AUR packages yet, but I understand that it can do anything pacman can do, plus accesses AUR, so for most ordinary uses (-Ss -Syu -S) we can just use yay, right?
2021-09-10 20:43:18	bobsy_	morganamilo: i pastebin'd it ^^^
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2021-09-10 20:44:00	demonicmaniac	thats makepkg not yay the paste
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2021-09-10 20:44:31	bobsy_	ok
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2021-09-10 20:45:07	bobsy_	https://pastebin.com/cTWNPDqA
2021-09-10 20:45:08	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-xsX.txt
2021-09-10 20:45:08	phrik	Title: [bobsy@bobsyarch ~]$ yay -S openstack-nova:: There are 2 providers available f - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2021-09-10 20:46:09	demonicmaniac	right thats only 2 not 20 missing
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2021-09-10 20:46:22	morganamilo	looks like deps are not on the aur
2021-09-10 20:46:26	morganamilo	maybe they were deleted somewhere
2021-09-10 20:46:32	bobsy_	hmm
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2021-09-10 20:47:54	bobsy_	who do i speak to about rectifying that situation?
2021-09-10 20:48:45	bin	make a comment on the aur package?
2021-09-10 20:49:01	bobsy_	ok
2021-09-10 20:49:04	demonicmaniac	i see the issue
2021-09-10 20:49:18	demonicmaniac	in the dependency chain are some split pkgbuilds for pythyon2 and python3
2021-09-10 20:49:31	demonicmaniac	but the python2 parts are missing not existing anymore python2 deps
2021-09-10 20:49:40	demonicmaniac	https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=python-confluent-kafka
2021-09-10 20:49:41	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2021-09-10 20:49:55	demonicmaniac	from the dependency chain of  python2-pyrsistent (Wanted by: openstack-nova -> python-keystonemiddleware -> python-oslo-messaging -> python-confluent-kafka)
2021-09-10 20:50:09	demonicmaniac	tl;dr split pkgbuilds suck
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2021-09-10 20:51:17	bobsy_	demonicmaniac: are you suggesting those python modules should be built with one pkgbuild?
2021-09-10 20:51:20	demonicmaniac	you'll just have to "fix" the pkgbuilds for python-confluent-kafka and python-jsonpath-rw-ext to not be a split pkgbuild
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2021-09-10 20:51:31	Synthead	is there a way I can change a password in pass from a script?
2021-09-10 20:51:31	demonicmaniac	they should have seperate pkgbuilds for python2 and python3 yes
2021-09-10 20:51:52	MrElendig	there should be no PKGBUILD for python2  /devil
2021-09-10 20:51:58	demonicmaniac	split pkgbuilds are fine for repo packages but were never a good idea for the aur and aren' even supported
2021-09-10 20:52:57	demonicmaniac	remove the python 2 parts from those 2 pkgbuilds i suppose and install them manually but --asdeps and then try again with whatever yay pikaur aurutils bla
2021-09-10 20:53:08	demonicmaniac	and post comments on those
2021-09-10 20:53:11	bobsy_	the aur package i found for confluent_kafka uses an underscore in the name rather that a -
2021-09-10 20:53:24	demonicmaniac	we should really do an automated run of the aur and yell at all the split pkgbuilds
2021-09-10 20:53:30	bobsy_	should i just be able to replace the - with a _ in the nova pkgbuild?
2021-09-10 20:53:37	morganamilo	there's nothing wrong with split packages 
2021-09-10 20:54:10	demonicmaniac	in aur it is because makepkg can not build only part that functionality was removed and was never intended to be abused
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2021-09-10 20:54:24	demonicmaniac	and for all the python2/3 split shit it's pure horror
2021-09-10 20:54:38	MrElendig	imo should simply get rid of the py2 bits
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2021-09-10 20:54:53	demonicmaniac	also a huge issue for lib32/notlib32
2021-09-10 20:55:01	demonicmaniac	plenty of those in aur as split pkgbuilds as well
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2021-09-10 20:56:45	bobsy_	i dont see those two being dependencies for openstack-nova
2021-09-10 20:56:56	bobsy_	how do i know what package yay is trying to meet deps for?
2021-09-10 20:57:18	morganamilo	it literally shows the package tree 
2021-09-10 20:57:32	bobsy_	oh right
2021-09-10 20:57:32	bobsy_	ok
2021-09-10 20:57:34	morganamilo	i put in a lot off effort to make it very readable ;-;
2021-09-10 20:57:34	bobsy_	sorry
2021-09-10 20:57:35	bobsy_	thanks
2021-09-10 20:57:49	bobsy_	i'm severly sleep deprived atm
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2021-09-10 21:00:07	bobsy_	i should be able to search the AUR for the missing packages and find the corresponding AUR that's not having it's deps met
2021-09-10 21:00:11	bobsy_	but i cannot
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2021-09-10 21:00:25	morganamilo	hmm?
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2021-09-10 21:01:30	bobsy_	morganamilo: say if i search  python2-pyrsistent it would show the packages that depend on it in the search results
2021-09-10 21:01:38	bobsy_	regardless of whether or not it exists
2021-09-10 21:01:42	bobsy_	which it does not.
2021-09-10 21:01:45	bobsy_	the dep that is.
2021-09-10 21:02:14	bobsy_	but a PKGBUILD includes that string
2021-09-10 21:02:16	bobsy_	somewhere..
2021-09-10 21:02:24	morganamilo	dunno what you mean? -Si will show all deps listed regardless of if they exist 
2021-09-10 21:02:28	morganamilo	unless the srcinfo is outdated 
2021-09-10 21:02:32	morganamilo	which is an issue with the maintainer
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2021-09-10 21:05:49	bobsy_	morganamilo: sorry, but as to which package do i run -Si on to find python2-pyrsistent listed as a dep?
2021-09-10 21:06:34	bobsy_	cos i dont see it listed as a dep anywhere
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2021-09-10 21:08:01	thrice	you have something called "python2-pyrsistent" installed?  I don't see it on the aur or repos
2021-09-10 21:08:21	bobsy_	the query originally stemmed from trying to search for that package in the AUR webpage in the search field, it would be neat if it showed which package has it in it's PKGBUILD by mistake
2021-09-10 21:08:32	bobsy_	thrice: precisely
2021-09-10 21:08:40	bobsy_	i fail to see which PKGBUILD is asking for it
2021-09-10 21:08:48	bobsy_	could just be my neglegence.
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2021-09-10 21:09:03	thrice	so, you don't have any PKGBUILD that is asking for it, but you're searching for it anyway... ?
2021-09-10 21:09:05	thrice	I'm lost
2021-09-10 21:09:30	bobsy_	thrice: yay -S openstack-nova fails to install looking for that dep
2021-09-10 21:09:36	bobsy_	see the last pastebin i posted
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2021-09-10 21:10:12	bobsy_	i'd like to fix it, but i don't know which package is asking for it
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2021-09-10 21:10:21	demonicmaniac	bobsy_: it's in your pkgbuild and i explained it
2021-09-10 21:10:29	demonicmaniac	s pkgbuild paste
2021-09-10 21:11:10	demonicmaniac	yay clearly shows what's depending on what that cannot be found
2021-09-10 21:11:10	thrice	ah, I missed the paste
2021-09-10 21:11:55	thrice	python2-pyrsistent (Wanted by: openstack-nova -> python-keystonemiddleware -> python-oslo-messaging -> python-confluent-kafka)
2021-09-10 21:11:57	bobsy_	demonicmaniac: so i assume that means the last package in the tree is asking for it cos i dont see that to be the case.
2021-09-10 21:12:19	thrice	look at the PKGBUILD for python-confluent-kafka, it lists it
2021-09-10 21:12:50	bobsy_	oh sorry i was lookgin at https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/python-confluent_kafka/
2021-09-10 21:12:52	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - python-confluent_kafka (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2021-09-10 21:46:34	Manouchehri	How do I mount over a symlink? e.g. I have /fake/ -> /opt/realfake/ as an existing symlink, and I want to bind mount over /fake/
2021-09-10 21:46:41	Manouchehri	Basically I want mount to not respect the symlink
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2021-09-10 22:09:23	Flexyjerkov	got a question
2021-09-10 22:10:03	dagle	Good to know
2021-09-10 22:10:14	Flexyjerkov	just switched over to using sway as giving wayland a go... whats the solutions for notification daemons and polkit?
2021-09-10 22:10:40	dagle	dunst or mako are popular
2021-09-10 22:11:06	Flexyjerkov	dunst doesn't work for me so trying mako but even that has it's quirks
2021-09-10 22:11:24	dagle	dunst has wayland support.
2021-09-10 22:11:30	Flexyjerkov	oh i know why!
2021-09-10 22:11:38	Flexyjerkov	i had it running in an xorg tty session
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2021-09-10 22:12:26	Flexyjerkov	ill give it a go again
2021-09-10 22:12:40	coruja	Flexyjerkov: https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki/Useful-add-ons-for-sway#notification
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2021-09-10 22:14:29	Flexyjerkov	the only other Q is that obs-studio does not appear to show my desktops
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2021-09-10 22:14:37	Flexyjerkov	when i choose pipewire
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2021-09-11 10:02:02	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
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2021-09-11 05:03:46	seanicus	Hello.  I am having some difficulty researching this: how would I go about making it so the TTY matches the full size of my monitor?  What complicates this is that I have two monitors, with one being a lot smaller.  But even when the smaller one is unplugged, the bigger one isn't entirely filled up
2021-09-11 05:17:24	rcf	seanicus: is this an issue with the video mode being too small (and your monitor not caring to scale it to avoid blurring things) or is the console not using a sensible number of rows/columns in the correct mode? 
2021-09-11 05:18:13	seanicus	rcf: I can only describe the symptoms.  I would assume it's the second one though?  There is no issue when using the gui
2021-09-11 05:19:05	rcf	seanicus: check the menu on the monitor, it may give the mode. X/Wayland don't necessarily indicate anything because they are much more intelligent about these sorts of things. 
2021-09-11 05:19:28	seanicus	https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/68811/non-graphical-ttys-not-stretching-full-screensize  it is this issue, but i got skeeved out about changing the grub config and the fbset and grub-update commands dont exist for arch
2021-09-11 05:19:30	phrik	Title: linux - Non-graphical tty's not stretching full screensize - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2021-09-11 05:20:12	rcf	If it mentions fbset it is too ancient to be of use 
2021-09-11 05:20:16	⚡ 	enyc meows
2021-09-11 05:20:58	rcf	seanicus: if they're talking about stretching they want to change the video mode, so you'd need to verify what it is to see if it does anything. 
2021-09-11 05:21:42	seanicus	I'm sorry?  If WHO is talkinga bout stretching?
2021-09-11 05:21:56	rcf	The person asking the question 
2021-09-11 05:22:10	seanicus	I am asking this question because it is my own problem
2021-09-11 05:22:16	rcf	I mean in the link you gave 
2021-09-11 05:22:50	seanicus	I cannot read their mind from years ago.  
2021-09-11 05:22:56	seanicus	I don't mean to be difficult, sorry.
2021-09-11 05:23:54	seanicus	I just do not see what is actionable about your advice.
2021-09-11 05:25:22	seanicus	Can I ask if it's normal for the virtual terminals to not work on a 1920x1080 monitor on arch?
2021-09-11 05:26:28	rcf	I suppose I should first ask if this is using the nvidia driver, as it is somewhat notorious for not supporting high resolution consoles. 
2021-09-11 05:27:15	seanicus	its my understanding that nvidia is a graphics card manufacturer, and i do not have a graphics card besides the one on the CPU
2021-09-11 05:27:35	seanicus	So I would imagine I don't have an nvidia driver, but I'm not sure how to check that anyway.  I certainly didnt install one
2021-09-11 05:27:49	rcf	You'd have to manually do so, so you're fine. 
2021-09-11 05:28:47	seanicus	i also want to address the stretching you referenced.  I would *prefer* if it didn't simply stretch the text, but that all that space would be used to hold as much data as it should
2021-09-11 05:29:35	seanicus	my suspicion is that the system somehow got the resolution of the smaller monitor and set that as the default for the entire system, because i have this same issue even if turn off the computer, unplug the small monitor, and plug it back in
2021-09-11 05:30:00	seanicus	Otherwise, arch just sets the default vt size really small
2021-09-11 05:34:44	rcf	That should definitely not be happening. 
2021-09-11 05:36:06	rcf	If it is a matter of it guessing the wrong resolution, you might be able to force a mode with the kernel command line as documented in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/kernel_mode_setting#Forcing_modes
2021-09-11 05:36:07	phrik	Title: Kernel mode setting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-11 05:36:43	rcf	(it doesn't need to be permanent; from grub, use 'e' to change the config for a single boot if you're worried about it messing things up) 
2021-09-11 05:38:27	rcf	This may have the side effect of making the smaller monitor unusable at the console, unfortunately. 
2021-09-11 05:40:38	rcf	fbcon is rather neglected by the kernel these days, regarded solely as a fallback for the most minimalist setups or when the GUI breaks horribly. 
2021-09-11 05:41:27	seanicus	rcf: thank you for that context.  I'm okay with the small monitor being unusable.  I figured that would happen.
2021-09-11 05:49:38	seanicus	rcf: I'm not understanding this documentation. Like this line here: video=<conn>:<xres>x<yres>[M][R][-<bpp>][@<refresh>][i][m][eDd]
2021-09-11 05:49:53	seanicus	is that supposed to go in some text file, or is that with the grub command line?
2021-09-11 05:50:57	rcf	It's the kernel command line specifically, so (for testing purposes) you'd find find the line in grub with 'linux root=foo ...' and add it there. 
2021-09-11 05:51:54	seanicus	so the kenrel command line is the grub command line?
2021-09-11 05:52:02	seanicus	i didnt know the kernel had a command line 
2021-09-11 05:52:21	rcf	Technically they are different things, grub can do quite a bit besides boot Linux 
2021-09-11 05:53:55	rcf	For permanent use, you'd edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg (if you wrote yours manually) or (if you're using grub-mkconfig) add it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub and run grub-mkconfig as you did with the initial install. 
2021-09-11 05:58:33	seanicus	rcf: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/868642159199420456/886098180868046868/20210910_235517.jpg  so...i change the line that starts with "set root='hd0,msdos3'?
2021-09-11 05:58:41	seanicus	i dont see a linux root = foo
2021-09-11 06:00:30	rcf	seanicus: you'll *actually* see it as linux    /foo/vmlinux root=.... , I left out the kernel image name 
2021-09-11 06:01:33	seanicus	I'm trying to say I have no idea what I'm looking for.
2021-09-11 06:03:50	seanicus	is it that line third from the bottom?
2021-09-11 06:04:05	rcf	Indeed 
2021-09-11 06:04:18	seanicus	That that is the line that actually boots linux?
2021-09-11 06:04:42	seanicus	or maybe initrd does, and that line simply defines where linux is?
2021-09-11 06:05:03	rcf	Grub boots it after setting all the parameters defined there 
2021-09-11 06:06:22	seanicus	so I'm...replacing that line?!
2021-09-11 06:06:31	rcf	No, you're adding onto the end of that line. 
2021-09-11 06:06:43	seanicus	as an append, or as a new line
2021-09-11 06:06:50	rcf	Append on the same line. 
2021-09-11 06:07:08	rcf	Everything else is still quite important, you're just adding one more option. 
2021-09-11 06:07:24	seanicus	will it work if i only have the "video=<conn>:<xres>x<yres>" part?
2021-09-11 06:07:41	seanicus	I do not know if the rest is necessary or if just changes the default
2021-09-11 06:08:16	seanicus	I think [option] syntax indicates its optional
2021-09-11 06:08:38	concrete-houses	anyone here use MLdonkey file sharing? seems pretty cool and qbitttoreent is pissing me off with puttign some of my big download fodlers into 90% and incomplete sometimes
2021-09-11 06:11:30	rcf	seanicus: I *think* it should work, I haven't done this in a while. To be clear, you have replaced the placeholders such that it looks vaguely like video=DVI-I-1:1920x1080
2021-09-11 06:11:48	rcf	(DVI-I-1 being replaced with the applicable connector) 
2021-09-11 06:13:34	rcf	Worst case is that it doesn't, but this is isn't persistent so you just power cycle it to be back to a usable system 
2021-09-11 06:14:22	seanicus	right, which is why im trying this
2021-09-11 06:15:10	fahimscirex	"Fontconfig error: No writable cache directories" any idea why I'm getting this error?
2021-09-11 06:16:17	rcf	fahimscirex: dumbest reason could be running out of disk space, other possibilities include horribly-broken permissions or a filesystem error that has forced a read-only mount 
2021-09-11 06:17:02	ponies	i like the 3rd suggestion 
2021-09-11 06:17:03	seanicus	rcf: its telling me to find the connector type in the kernel log but its all in binary.  so i just looked at my display configuration, and it's probably just HDMI-1, right?
2021-09-11 06:17:36	seanicus	im referring to thsi line: <conn>: Connector, e.g. DVI-I-1, see your kernel log.
2021-09-11 06:17:56	fahimscirex	rcf: There's fairly enough space. So that's not the issue. Exactly where fontconfig keeps the cache files? Seems like I have to check the permissions first.
2021-09-11 06:18:20	rcf	fahimscirex: what command are you running
2021-09-11 06:18:41	fahimscirex	rcf: I was trying to run font-manager.
2021-09-11 06:19:43	ponies	font-manager? 
2021-09-11 06:20:06	rcf	seanicus: They can be named various things depending on the whim of the driver. If HDMI-1 doesn't work check /sys/class/drm where the connections are enumerated 
2021-09-11 06:20:09	fahimscirex	ponies: yeah, it's a package to manage fonts.
2021-09-11 06:21:23	rcf	ponies: looks to be gtk fontconfig front end for people who aren't fond of manually editing XML config 
2021-09-11 06:22:45	fahimscirex	rcf: well, rejecting about 100 fonts by editing xml file is hefty work.
2021-09-11 06:23:05	rcf	XML does have that effect on people. 
2021-09-11 06:24:53	rcf	fahimscirex: in any case if it's trying to edit the system-wide cache (i.e. what pacman is updating when fonts are installed) as a normal user you're not going to have much luck 
2021-09-11 06:25:18	seanicus	rcf: card0  card0-DP-1  card0-HDMI-A-1  card0-HDMI-A-2  card0-HDMI-A-3  renderD128  version # so card0-HDMI-A-1 seem about right to you?
2021-09-11 06:25:28	seanicus	or A-2, A-3...
2021-09-11 06:26:26	rcf	seanicus: I believe it wants you to omit the 'card0-' 
2021-09-11 06:27:00	rcf	seanicus: to figure out which one of those you're actually using, cat the status file in each of those directories 
2021-09-11 06:28:13	rcf	Assuming this is a desktop, all but one should be 'disconnected'. 
2021-09-11 06:29:48	rcf	fahimscirex: there is also a user cache and a user config. Does it have a command line option to use those? 
2021-09-11 06:30:30	rcf	I'm assuming that's what you were wanting to change anyway, just without writing an XML file yourself. 
2021-09-11 06:35:38	seanicus	rcf: oh my...i forgot i had a vga-to-dp connector...no wonder this isnt working
2021-09-11 06:36:33	rcf	That may well be why the preferred resolution isn't being picked up 
2021-09-11 06:38:57	nattiestnate	!paste
2021-09-11 06:38:58	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-09-11 06:39:01	rcf	I take it you were using it for the smaller monitor but only unplugged the VGA cable?
2021-09-11 06:40:28	seanicus	rcf: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/868642159199420456/886108742020649000/20210911_003904.jpg
2021-09-11 06:40:33	seanicus	its beautiful.  thanks for your help!
2021-09-11 06:41:09	seanicus	and yes i do use discord as file storage.  also yes thatis an upside down map of the world behidn my monitor...
2021-09-11 06:42:18	nattiestnate	hi, i just set up a nat network for my VM on KVM/QEMU, but i can't seem to connect to the internet from my VM. (i can, however, ping the host from it). here's the xml dump of my nat network: http://ix.io/3ywM if you need any more details feel free to ask. thank you!
2021-09-11 07:03:12	rcf	seanicus: nice that it now looks as it should 
2021-09-11 07:03:17	m1cl[m]	how can I find out the ip address of my router?
2021-09-11 07:03:20	concrete-houses	sometimes I think virtualization is a scam
2021-09-11 07:03:34	m1cl[m]	also it seems like I don t have an ipv4 address...
2021-09-11 07:03:46	concrete-houses	ip a as root
2021-09-11 07:03:58	thurstylark	nattiestnate: can you also paste the xml for the nic on the guest?
2021-09-11 07:03:59	⚡ 	rcf partitions concrete-houses‘ concrete houses to make virtual homes
2021-09-11 07:04:30	m1cl[m]	it only shows me ipv6 address
2021-09-11 07:05:46	concrete-houses	did you configure an archlinux machine to be a router?
2021-09-11 07:05:54	m1cl[m]	no
2021-09-11 07:06:12	thurstylark	m1cl[m]: what is your network manager?
2021-09-11 07:06:15	concrete-houses	so what are you doing
2021-09-11 07:06:40	m1cl[m]	how can I find out? I am using kde plasma
2021-09-11 07:07:03	concrete-houses	I use iceWM and pcmanFM
2021-09-11 07:07:05	thurstylark	m1cl[m]: you installed and configured a network manager as a part of the install process. you tell men
2021-09-11 07:07:07	thurstylark	*me
2021-09-11 07:07:22	thurstylark	concrete-houses: neither of those are network managers...
2021-09-11 07:07:25	m1cl[m]	I think I use NetworkManager
2021-09-11 07:07:36	concrete-houses	did you install archlinux?
2021-09-11 07:08:08	m1cl[m]	yes
2021-09-11 07:08:10	nattiestnate	thurstylark: here it is -- http://ix.io/3ywU
2021-09-11 07:08:12	thurstylark	m1cl[m]: is NetworkManager.service running?
2021-09-11 07:08:28	m1cl[m]	yes
2021-09-11 07:08:54	nattiestnate	also i'll be afk for a few hours, sorry if i'm not replying -- i'll check new mentions when i'm back!
2021-09-11 07:09:41	concrete-houses	 ip route|grep def
2021-09-11 07:11:49	m1cl[m]	is empty
2021-09-11 07:12:02	m1cl[m]	ip -6 route works
2021-09-11 07:12:37	m1cl[m]	can I access my router with ipv6?
2021-09-11 07:25:59	ponies	nattiestnate: what if your systemd-resolved isnt in stub mode? 
2021-09-11 07:44:50	_cyphertite_	m1cl[m]:  System Settings > Connections > IPv6 tab > check 'IPv6 is required for this connection'
2021-09-11 07:46:43	m1cl[m]	it s not required. I am managed to get access to my modem. I can change anything though. It don't have a public ipv4 address, this is prob. why I can t access some websites. is there a workaround?
2021-09-11 07:46:52	m1cl[m]	cant
2021-09-11 07:47:29	m1cl[m]	or is that an internet provider thing?
2021-09-11 07:55:01	_cyphertite_	I have no idea what your ISP might have done to your router settings.  I would back up my router config, then reset the router to factory defaults, reboot it, and then configure it the way I expect it to run
2021-09-11 09:45:15	grawity	you *should* be able to access "some" websites, but the way it works highly depends on the ISP
2021-09-11 09:46:16	grawity	it might be a regular public IPv4 address, it might be a *private* IPv4 address with CGNAT at the provider, but it also might be DS-Lite where all your IPv4 stuff goes *over IPv6* to the ISP and only gets translated back to IPv4 over there
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2021-09-11 10:15:40	rabbitnightmare	ok so I have noticed a few bugs in archinstall
2021-09-11 10:16:03	dmc	rabbitnightmare, report em
2021-09-11 10:16:13	rabbitnightmare	how
2021-09-11 10:17:00	dmc	https://github.com/archlinux/archinstall/issues
2021-09-11 10:17:21	rabbitnightmare	I dont have github
2021-09-11 10:17:23	rabbitnightmare	ugh
2021-09-11 10:17:27	rabbitnightmare	so I will report them here
2021-09-11 10:17:39	rabbitnightmare	1) on installation it makes several arch.conf files
2021-09-11 10:17:51	rabbitnightmare	giving you erronous ones in the boot menu 
2021-09-11 10:18:09	dmc	rabbitnightmare, 1) check if it's reported 2) if not, give me an issue I can file by proxy
2021-09-11 10:18:12	rabbitnightmare	2) no matter what network you choose during installation, it forces you to use iwctl
2021-09-11 10:18:30	dmc	reporting here will do nothing
2021-09-11 10:18:55	rabbitnightmare	it looks like the first one was reported
2021-09-11 10:20:07	dmc	rabbitnightmare, there are too many projects still on GitHub to not have an account unfortunately
2021-09-11 10:22:09	dmc	even projects that don't host their main repo on GitHub are basically forced to have a mirror there for networking
2021-09-11 10:23:02	rabbitnightmare7	jesus christ the iwd bug is annoying the piss out of me
2021-09-11 10:23:22	rabbitnightmare7	I am going to go format and install things properly
2021-09-11 10:23:42	rabbitnightmare7	how the fuck do you fuck something up so goddamn basic as an installation
2021-09-11 10:23:49	rabbitnightmare7	jesus
2021-09-11 10:24:39	demonicmaniac	that comment was golden. an installation is anything but basic
2021-09-11 10:24:47	rabbitnightmare7	"we see that you chose KDE, we should install these packages instead of asking you what you want" would be the far better way
2021-09-11 10:24:52	demonicmaniac	reporting bugs is good and nice but there's also always just install it yourself
2021-09-11 10:25:09	demonicmaniac	archinstall is brand new
2021-09-11 10:25:16	rabbitnightmare7	mmkay
2021-09-11 10:25:44	rabbitnightmare7	KDE assumes a lot because it does a lot and is good at what it does for the most part
2021-09-11 10:25:50	rabbitnightmare7	that includes networking
2021-09-11 10:25:57	rabbitnightmare7	you need the meta packages etc
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2021-09-11 16:41:30	mingdao	!next
2021-09-11 16:41:31	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2021-09-11 16:41:59	mingdao	predicament: yw
2021-09-11 16:50:02	mingdao	IDK if anyone has eXPerienced this but me, and it might be something I am doing wrong.  When I install another Linux distro after Arch, the Arch swap partition gets a new UUID which doen't match the one in /etc/fstab, and this adds 1m30s between loading the image and the gdm login screen.
2021-09-11 16:50:40	Namarrgon	did the installer for the new distro reformat the swap volume?
2021-09-11 16:51:00	mingdao	The fix is simple; `lsblk -o +uuid` and change it
2021-09-11 16:51:41	predicament	^
2021-09-11 16:51:46	predicament	i had that as well
2021-09-11 16:51:57	mingdao	Namarrgon: That's a good question.  This last time I had Windows 10 and Arch dual booting fine.  I created new partitions for Kali, and while installing Kali I did the manual choice and gave it the new swap device node and mount point.  So IDK why it would do that.
2021-09-11 16:52:14	Namarrgon	tell it not to if that's an option
2021-09-11 16:52:30	Namarrgon	or use separate swap volumes/files for each distro
2021-09-11 16:52:38	Namarrgon	or deal with the fallout
2021-09-11 16:54:19	mingdao	I have separate swap volumes, though they both have the same name.  Let me post lsblk...
2021-09-11 16:54:34	predicament	um, problem with this dkms.install file under the packages list but i think it's pebkac 100%.  it said the url
2021-09-11 16:54:44	mingdao	https://paste.rs/SvT
2021-09-11 16:55:27	predicament	oops
2021-09-11 16:55:28	mingdao	I could not mount the Kali partitions like Arch ... mount /dev/sda8 /boot ; mount /dev/sda1 /boot/eft
2021-09-11 16:55:40	Namarrgon	the same name? you mean the LABEL?
2021-09-11 16:56:06	bebop	so not all usb 3.0 hubs are supported?
2021-09-11 16:56:15	predicament	i wasn't ready to even type that.  fuckin a, my fault.  ignore me until i tag. 
2021-09-11 16:56:31	Namarrgon	bebop: only green ones with the white stripes
2021-09-11 16:57:42	mingdao	The mountpoint name when you format the partitions.
2021-09-11 16:58:06	Namarrgon	you don't format the mountpoint, you format a file
2021-09-11 16:59:02	mingdao	Namarrgon: I use `gdisk /dev/sda` and after creating all the partitions I use `c` to name them.
2021-09-11 16:59:18	Namarrgon	so you mean PARTLABEL?
2021-09-11 16:59:32	Namarrgon	lsblk -fo +partlabel
2021-09-11 16:59:33	mingdao	I stated wrong ... naming the partitions before I format the filesystems.
2021-09-11 16:59:59	Namarrgon	you want to avoid duplicate (part)labels, they will confuse you and the system
2021-09-11 17:00:10	mingdao	https://paste.rs/P5D
2021-09-11 17:00:38	Namarrgon	that isn't the output for the command i gave you
2021-09-11 17:00:45	mingdao	Wrong link https://paste.rs/tnu
2021-09-11 17:01:00	Namarrgon	yeah, that's totally not confusing
2021-09-11 17:01:03	mingdao	Why aren't the other partlabels confusing the system?
2021-09-11 17:01:07	Namarrgon	luck
2021-09-11 17:01:16	mingdao	The mount points are what's important.
2021-09-11 17:02:20	Namarrgon	in this case they are not important
2021-09-11 17:02:55	mingdao	And I mount by UUID.
2021-09-11 17:03:11	mingdao	What is meant by "this case" please?
2021-09-11 17:03:11	predicament	I do as well, UUID > * for mounting imo
2021-09-11 17:03:24	Namarrgon	you but the system, some tool or script might choose to use the partlabel
2021-09-11 17:03:39	Namarrgon	*but not
2021-09-11 17:03:54	Namarrgon	when the system tries to activate "swap" you could get any of the three volumes, depending on the current star constellations
2021-09-11 17:04:10	Namarrgon	same for 'root' and 'home' and 'boot'
2021-09-11 17:04:47	Namarrgon	ls -l /dev/disk/by-partlabel
2021-09-11 17:05:19	mingdao	I'm missing your point.
2021-09-11 17:05:38	Namarrgon	the point is that you should avoid name collisions, they create hard to track down issues
2021-09-11 17:05:47	mingdao	This happened while installing Kali, with the one swap for Kali chosen, so I think the Kali installer did this.
2021-09-11 17:06:05	mingdao	How can I have name collisions when I mount by UUID?  I don't understand.
2021-09-11 17:06:25	Namarrgon	YOU might be doing that but some other tool might prefer the partlabel
2021-09-11 17:06:30	bebop	Namarrgon: I have a usb hub but it doesn't seem to be working in linux. I can plug drives into it but it doesn' let me see them.
2021-09-11 17:06:37	mingdao	The last output you asked for https://paste.rs/miG
2021-09-11 17:06:46	Namarrgon	bebop: uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2021-09-11 17:08:01	HEX0	Namarrgon: what if there's no label
2021-09-11 17:08:09	mingdao	predicament: Assuming you installed an OS _after_ you had installed Arch, and this happened, which OS was it?
2021-09-11 17:08:09	Namarrgon	then there is no problem
2021-09-11 17:08:14	bebop	Namarrgon: both of those do the same thing 
2021-09-11 17:08:19	bebop	anyways bbl
2021-09-11 17:08:23	Namarrgon	bebop: what is their exact output?
2021-09-11 17:08:39	predicament	after installing the latest dkms.  only other resolution is going back to 2.8.5
2021-09-11 17:08:42	mingdao	I'm going to install Gentoo, where you can specify your mount points just like installing Arch, and see if this happens.
2021-09-11 17:09:00	HEX0	so don't use labels I guess? PARTUUID and UUID enough
2021-09-11 17:09:09	predicament	it was debian actually
2021-09-11 17:09:12	mingdao	What I don't know is what changed the UUID of /dev/sda5
2021-09-11 17:09:16	predicament	i use UUID though
2021-09-11 17:09:16	Namarrgon	HEX0: labels are perfectly fine but make sure there are no collisions
2021-09-11 17:09:26	mingdao	predicament: Kali is just a skin on Debian, basically.
2021-09-11 17:09:34	mingdao	predicament: I use UUID also.
2021-09-11 17:09:59	mingdao	Namarrgon: So you're saying root and root1, swap and swap1, etc?
2021-09-11 17:10:21	Namarrgon	that would work but swap-arch, swap-kali is probably easier to read
2021-09-11 17:10:43	predicament	that's correct, it's just another derivative of ubuntu
2021-09-11 17:10:50	mingdao	agreed ... I started to do that, but it seemed a waste using UUIDs.
2021-09-11 17:11:09	Mysterytrain	I always used labels since drives migrate from system to system round here
2021-09-11 17:11:13	mingdao	predicament: Debian is the root of those distros, and Kali didn't come from Ubuntu.
2021-09-11 17:11:26	predicament	thats correct.
2021-09-11 17:11:42	mingdao	predicament: https://www.kali.org/features/
2021-09-11 17:11:43	phrik	Title: Features | Kali Linux (at www.kali.org)
2021-09-11 17:11:57	predicament	i know about kali lol i dont really enjoy it much
2021-09-11 17:11:58	mingdao	https://www.kali.org/docs/introduction/kali-linux-history/
2021-09-11 17:12:00	phrik	Title: Kali Linux History | Kali Linux Documentation (at www.kali.org)
2021-09-11 17:12:34	predicament	most people grab it to "hack"
2021-09-11 17:12:44	predicament	or that's what attracts people to it i imagine
2021-09-11 17:13:58	predicament	but it's just one of (i literally dont have an integer for this so I'll say MANY) many debian derivatives
2021-09-11 17:14:26	predicament	kinda messed up my English there mingdao but you already understand this
2021-09-11 17:14:34	kirk781	The universe is a Debian derivative
2021-09-11 17:14:43	mingdao	Let's move on ...
2021-09-11 17:14:46	Mysterytrain	the 42nd
2021-09-11 17:14:51	predicament	i am
2021-09-11 17:14:55	predicament	lol.
2021-09-11 17:44:55	CyberShadow	Hi. I can't get Wi-Fi to stay on on this machine, could someone please help make some sense out of this wpa_supplicant log? https://dump.cy.md/19938b83da8ae075d2d6a3bf414a65b8/15%3A44%3A48-upload.txt
2021-09-11 17:51:36	thrice	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=261066    similar?
2021-09-11 17:51:38	phrik	Title: WIFI randomly disconnects / Networking, Server, and Protection / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-09-11 17:54:48	CyberShadow	No, the reason seems to be different
2021-09-11 17:54:56	_cyphertite_	CyberShadow:  how is only providing ~2 seconds of your log activity intended to be helpful?
2021-09-11 17:55:46	CyberShadow	_cyphertite_: It's the segment at which the disconnection occurs. Are you familiar with troubleshooting such problems, then?
2021-09-11 17:56:23	thrice	have you tried iwd, as an alternative?  Might help rule out hardware vs. wpa_supplicant
2021-09-11 17:56:32	CyberShadow	I have, briefly
2021-09-11 17:56:41	Namarrgon	which chipset is that?
2021-09-11 17:56:43	thrice	and...?
2021-09-11 17:57:08	CyberShadow	thrice:  Same general symptoms, but I did not investigate deeply (logs etc.)
2021-09-11 17:57:42	CyberShadow	Namarrgon: This is a "Qualcomm Atheros AR9462 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)"
2021-09-11 18:02:54	_cyphertite_	CyberShadow:  or try installing NetworkManger, enabling it, then rebooting
2021-09-11 18:28:26	predicament	alright im having some issues here
2021-09-11 18:28:58	predicament	thrice?
2021-09-11 18:29:50	predicament	i cloned the upstream and did a makepkg -si with the PKGBUILD that you provided
2021-09-11 18:30:37	predicament	mingdao, maybe you could give me a chance?
2021-09-11 18:31:43	predicament	for dkms, i apologize
2021-09-11 18:37:25	predicament	okay guess not.
2021-09-11 18:37:47	predicament	i just want you guys to know that I am trying
2021-09-11 18:38:03	predicament	I'm trying my best, I'm not trying to be an asshole or whathaveyou.
2021-09-11 18:41:58	predicament	there's no dkms.install
2021-09-11 18:42:01	predicament	so there's an issue...
2021-09-11 18:43:01	predicament	or at least that's what I can't seem to figure out
2021-09-11 18:46:48	maztheman	hm
2021-09-11 18:48:24	predicament	whatever i guess, i cant do anything.
2021-09-11 18:48:46	predicament	source=("git+https://github.com/dell/dkms.git#tag=v$pkgver"
2021-09-11 18:48:47	predicament	        'hook.install'
2021-09-11 18:48:47	predicament	        'hook.remove'
2021-09-11 18:48:47	predicament	        'hook.upgrade'
2021-09-11 18:48:47	predicament	        'hook.sh'
2021-09-11 18:48:47	predicament	        '0001-Revert-Make-newly-installed-modules-available-immedi.patch')
2021-09-11 18:48:59	predicament	oh shit.
2021-09-11 18:49:08	predicament	sorry.  i didn't mena to do that
2021-09-11 18:49:28	predicament	wrong monitor
2021-09-11 18:53:01	predicament	thats part of the PKGBUILD
2021-09-11 18:53:07	Namarrgon	predicament: what do you mean by "there is no dkms.install"?
2021-09-11 18:53:21	predicament	in the upstream url for dkms that i was shown.
2021-09-11 18:53:36	Namarrgon	of course there is no install upstream, it's arch specific
2021-09-11 18:53:42	predicament	i know.
2021-09-11 18:53:54	predicament	thats why i was saying it
2021-09-11 18:54:20	predicament	i did a makepkg -si and it said invalid git actually
2021-09-11 18:54:40	predicament	with the .install, hook, patch, and so on.
2021-09-11 18:54:43	Namarrgon	what is the original problem?
2021-09-11 18:55:36	predicament	dkms 2.8.6 had a minor issue, a typo.. module/kernelv was replaced with module,kernelversion
2021-09-11 18:55:54	predicament	so it would say "no such kernel module, cannot find" (not exact error message but im pretty sure you understand)
2021-09-11 18:56:21	Namarrgon	which version was the last one that worked fine?
2021-09-11 18:56:51	predicament	not reverting.  there's a PKGBUILD for this that replaced this
2021-09-11 18:57:01	Namarrgon	where?
2021-09-11 18:57:24	predicament	dkms/trunk, hang on, thrice linked me yesterday, i have to look for this
2021-09-11 18:57:53	predicament	he was kinda.. i dont know, he thought i was bailing.
2021-09-11 18:57:58	predicament	and now i guess he doesnt wanna talk.
2021-09-11 18:58:51	predicament	and mingdao pointed me toward the upstream url, but i wasn't this clear about my problem with him
2021-09-11 18:59:10	Namarrgon	get to the point, where is this PKGBUILD?
2021-09-11 18:59:15	predicament	https://raw.githubusercontent.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/packages/dkms/trunk/PKGBUILD
2021-09-11 18:59:27	predicament	i had to find it Namarrgon 
2021-09-11 18:59:31	predicament	I said that.
2021-09-11 18:59:40	predicament	lucky i even found it
2021-09-11 19:01:18	predicament	i just want to fix this, which this does
2021-09-11 19:01:37	Namarrgon	that's the original PKGBUILD from which arch's package was built
2021-09-11 19:01:42	predicament	i see the actual fix.  it's just a friggin typo
2021-09-11 19:01:48	predicament	well he pointed me there..
2021-09-11 19:01:57	predicament	i was asking how to do a patch.
2021-09-11 19:02:23	Namarrgon	patch what?
2021-09-11 19:02:44	predicament	dkms
2021-09-11 19:03:01	predicament	... did you even know about this issue?
2021-09-11 19:03:06	Namarrgon	no wonder people bail on you, you're not making any sense
2021-09-11 19:03:15	Namarrgon	which part of the PKGBUILD needs to be changed?
2021-09-11 19:03:26	predicament	no no im saying thats the right PKGBUILD
2021-09-11 19:03:37	predicament	but i was pointed in some other direction
2021-09-11 19:03:45	predicament	by at least two different people.
2021-09-11 19:03:53	predicament	and i mentioend them both
2021-09-11 19:03:57	Namarrgon	that is the same PKGBUILD from which extra/dkms was built
2021-09-11 19:04:17	predicament	...
2021-09-11 19:04:20	thrice	I gave up after about 15 minutes of not understanding the question :-)
2021-09-11 19:04:47	Namarrgon	let's go back to the original issue, what was the dkms error?
2021-09-11 19:05:15	predicament	hang on.
2021-09-11 19:05:26	thrice	"I need to patch dkms" was as far as you got
2021-09-11 19:09:47	predicament	(2/3) Remove DKMS modules
2021-09-11 19:09:47	predicament	==> Unable to remove module nvidia/470.57.02 for kernel 5.10.62-1-lts: Not found in dkms status output.
2021-09-11 19:09:47	predicament	==> Unable to remove module nvidia/470.57.02 for kernel 5.13.13-arch1-1: Not found in dkms status output.
2021-09-11 19:09:47	predicament	==> Unable to remove module nvidia/470.57.02 for kernel 5.13.14-1-clear: Not found in dkms status output.
2021-09-11 19:09:55	Mysterytrain	the suspense builds
2021-09-11 19:09:56	predicament	basically that same thing on every system i have
2021-09-11 19:10:08	predicament	ever since upgrading dkms.
2021-09-11 19:10:28	predicament	and the issue is the , there in the old PKGBUILD, not a /
2021-09-11 19:10:37	predicament	you know, module/kernelv
2021-09-11 19:10:44	Namarrgon	i don't see a , in that output
2021-09-11 19:10:52	predicament	okay well it caused this.
2021-09-11 19:10:58	predicament	that's what is said here:
2021-09-11 19:11:03	predicament	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/72046
2021-09-11 19:11:04	phrik	Title: FS#72046 : libalpm dkms hook/script fails at removing dkms modules on upgrade (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2021-09-11 19:11:06	Namarrgon	where is hte old PKGBUILD?
2021-09-11 19:11:35	Namarrgon	and you couldn't have started with the bugreport?
2021-09-11 19:11:54	predicament	i was under the impression you guys knew considering thrice sent me to a fix already
2021-09-11 19:12:29	thrice	I did not send a fix, I sent you the PKGBUILD which arch uses to build it's package
2021-09-11 19:12:36	predicament	cause i asked how to patch.
2021-09-11 19:12:46	predicament	okay that's what i meant thrice.
2021-09-11 19:13:09	thrice	that's the only question I answered, is how you might apply a patch to the dkms package.  I couldn't get out of you why you wanted to do it, or what problem you had, and eventually gave up
2021-09-11 19:13:31	thrice	also, it's slightly rude to say I was ignoring you earlier.  It's Saturday, believe it or not I'm not always at my computer, awaiting your problems :)
2021-09-11 19:13:48	Mysterytrain	you mean you have a life?
2021-09-11 19:13:57	predicament	no i saw you say something like a very short time before i asked
2021-09-11 19:13:58	Mysterytrain	I always wondered what that was like ;)
2021-09-11 19:14:00	predicament	so.. sorry
2021-09-11 19:14:04	predicament	i didn't MEAN to be rude
2021-09-11 19:14:11	predicament	i just thought you might have been there, i asked about anyone else.
2021-09-11 19:14:18	predicament	i did do that.
2021-09-11 19:14:32	thrice	I don't know if "angry child refusing to nap" counts as life, but if you wonder what it's like, please come over any time :D
2021-09-11 19:14:39	Mysterytrain	hehe
2021-09-11 19:14:42	predicament	wow.
2021-09-11 19:15:23	predicament	i wasn't sure what was going on, i felt liek you were done with me or something, also it shows your idle time
2021-09-11 19:16:00	predicament	alright, i don't know what to say, I can only apologize
2021-09-11 19:16:14	thrice	this is starting to get off topic, but even if I was here (or, anyone else reading), it doesn't mean they have to respond or help, especially if it's not clear how to help you
2021-09-11 19:16:23	predicament	thats' correct 
2021-09-11 19:17:52	predicament	that's kinda what i felt like was going on, that i hadn't described my issue.  now i have.
2021-09-11 19:18:36	predicament	it's the same exact output as the bug report.  there's a patch for it.. i want to apply it.  i don't exactly know how.
2021-09-11 19:19:08	thrice	anyway, IF you want to apply the patch from that bug report, you would add it to the PKGBUILD's "source" array, add it's checksum, and apply it during the prepare() function
2021-09-11 19:19:41	Namarrgon	there's already a for loop in perpare() that applies *.patch
2021-09-11 19:19:50	predicament	i see that loop yeah
2021-09-11 19:19:52	thrice	ah, yeah
2021-09-11 19:20:04	thrice	even easier, just the source array & sha256sum updates
2021-09-11 19:20:28	predicament	so add it.. i don't know how i'd get the exact sha256sum though
2021-09-11 19:21:07	predicament	i am not good with editing PKGBUILD as I'm not a programmer, i definitely didn't build this distro, but it happens to be my favorite, specific or not
2021-09-11 19:21:22	thrice	there is a "sha256sum" command that you can run on the patch
2021-09-11 19:21:27	predicament	oh good
2021-09-11 19:22:18	thrice	before running makepkg, you need all of the files in the source array present.  If you want to grab it all at once, "asp" from the repos can do it
2021-09-11 19:22:20	thrice	!asp
2021-09-11 19:22:21	phrik	The Arch Build System's younger, smarter cousin. Now available in extra/asp
2021-09-11 19:22:25	thrice	iirc, I linked that yesterday
2021-09-11 19:23:34	predicament	well that sounds better.  but for the record, is that PKGBUILD from https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/tree/packages/dkms/trunk valid?
2021-09-11 19:23:48	thrice	what doe s
2021-09-11 19:23:50	thrice	er
2021-09-11 19:23:55	thrice	what does "valid" mean?
2021-09-11 19:24:11	_cyphertite_	thrice:  not a damn thing wrong with your memory ;p
2021-09-11 19:24:14	predicament	im sorry, i meant like valid as in correct and updated
2021-09-11 19:24:23	thrice	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/tree/packages/dkms/trunk
2021-09-11 19:24:29	thrice	that's exactly what the arch package was built with
2021-09-11 19:24:34	predicament	okay
2021-09-11 19:24:49	thrice	all of those things (minus PKGBUILD.26, I guess) are neded
2021-09-11 19:24:53	thrice	plus your patch
2021-09-11 19:25:17	predicament	thats what i figured okay.. i might have a shot here
2021-09-11 19:25:28	predicament	im not saying solved yet
2021-09-11 19:28:27	Namarrgon	ah, wati, the patch patches arch's hook.sh. you have to patch it manually first, then run makepkg
2021-09-11 19:28:30	Namarrgon	*wait
2021-09-11 19:28:33	thrice	that's OK, but now I really AM leaving
2021-09-11 19:29:27	Namarrgon	download the patch, cd into the PKGBUILD directory patch -p3 -i the.patch, then build and install the package
2021-09-11 19:29:54	thrice	(though, the sha256sum probably needs changing after the patch)
2021-09-11 19:30:02	Namarrgon	yeah
2021-09-11 19:30:18	Namarrgon	weird way to post a patch but okay
2021-09-11 19:39:18	predicament	yeah it um
2021-09-11 19:39:22	predicament	sigh
2021-09-11 19:40:03	predicament	so now you guys clarified after i decided to grab those... okay so i patch it manually... i dont know how to manually do that.
2021-09-11 19:40:27	predicament	oh you said it
2021-09-11 19:40:57	predicament	hang on then, let me do that Namarrgon -- my brain is literally all over the place
2021-09-11 19:43:02	predicament	okay yeah it needs the sha256 changed..
2021-09-11 19:43:32	predicament	thats where i will use sha256sums to do it i think and place it in PKGBUILD
2021-09-11 19:43:39	Bayes	so I've been browsing the Arch wiki for this but it's kinda hard cause I don't not really what I'm looking for here
2021-09-11 19:44:02	predicament	^ and you guys thought i had no idea how to ask anything
2021-09-11 19:44:39	Bayes	so with time my system gets naturally bloated, like having installed packages that I don't use anymore, or config files for software I tried once or twice, etc.
2021-09-11 19:45:07	Bayes	so I was thinking it'd be nice to make some kind of "backup", nuke the system and have a fresh start
2021-09-11 19:45:31	Bayes	so I've found etckeeper for etc fles, many dotfile solutions, etc
2021-09-11 19:45:46	Bayes	also possibly querying pacman and saving the list of currently installed packages to a txt file
2021-09-11 19:46:16	Bayes	but is there a more... recommended approach for this? like something that doesn't feel like putting many adhoc-hacks together? :P
2021-09-11 19:51:35	predicament	alright, installed dkms 2.8.6 patched.. lets see how it works... thank you thrice and Namarrgon ..
2021-09-11 19:54:43	predicament	thrice, Namarrgon --- Thank you both, special thanks to Namarrgon who basically told me what to do more or less.  thrice helped a lot as well.  Now it works.  Time to ssh in and fix it on the VM.
2021-09-11 19:57:36	Namarrgon	you can tie all the files into a tarball with 'makepkg -S', it's easier to move and you don't have to patch it again on the other system
2021-09-11 20:06:19	mingdao	Finally found the link predicament http://www.co.kerr.tx.us/it/howtoreport.html
2021-09-11 20:06:23	phrik	Title: FGA: Please follow the standard litany when giving a problem report. (at www.co.kerr.tx.us)
2021-09-11 20:07:23	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-11 20:07:57	mingdao	Bayes: Checkout borg.
2021-09-11 20:08:55	predicament	okay
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2021-09-11 20:09:00	predicament	thank you.
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2021-09-11 20:09:06	mingdao	hth
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2021-09-11 20:09:25	predicament	i am
2021-09-11 20:09:28	predicament	easy now.
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2021-09-11 20:10:55	predicament	i mean Namarrgon i already tar'd it
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2021-09-11 20:12:51	predicament	but it does the same thing
2021-09-11 20:12:55	predicament	so ultimately yes
2021-09-11 20:13:08	predicament	i used sftp to transfer
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2021-09-11 20:13:40	HEX0	Bayes: what do you mean system gets bloated?
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2021-09-11 20:16:08	teraflops	Bayes: do not lie to yourself, if you are bored and want to reinstall arch linux again, just do it ;) but I don't think you need to do that for the reasons you said above
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2021-09-11 20:18:23	Bayes	well idk, I just thought my system would be all full of things I don't care for anymore
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2021-09-11 20:18:41	MacGyver	Sure.
2021-09-11 20:18:45	Bayes	like I set up wine once, which changed some configs, and I don't use it anymore
2021-09-11 20:18:49	MacGyver	But wouldn't it be less effort to just prune the packages?
2021-09-11 20:19:01	Bayes	I guess I could just pacman -R wine, but does it remove it completely
2021-09-11 20:19:02	Bayes	?
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2021-09-11 20:19:25	HEX0	Bayes: use pacman -Rns     -n to remove custom /etc configs  -s for deps. also remove orphans https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Removing_unused_packages_(orphans)
2021-09-11 20:19:26	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-11 20:20:06	Bayes	okay thanks, maybe I just need to learn a bit more about Pacman outside of the typical S, Syu and R and 
2021-09-11 20:20:08	HEX0	Bayes: just read this whole page https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_maintenance
2021-09-11 20:20:10	phrik	Title: System maintenance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-09-11 20:21:10	Bayes	re etckeeper, although I'm doing `sudo -E etckeeper commit "msg"`, git complains about not being able to find my private repo remote (github)
2021-09-11 20:21:30	Bayes	if I'm using sudo -E-, shouldnt it be using my everyday user ssh keys instead of root's?
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2021-09-11 20:22:16	HEX0	Bayes: do you use some kind of wine frontend or just directly wine?
2021-09-11 20:23:01	Bayes	this is my issue and the solution I've found, but sudo -E etckeeper commit "msg" doesn't do it for me https://serverfault.com/a/624380
2021-09-11 20:23:03	phrik	Title: git - etckeeper pushing to github - Server Fault (at serverfault.com)
2021-09-11 20:23:08	Bayes	HEX0 just wine
2021-09-11 20:25:03	HEX0	Bayes: in that case everything goes to ~/.wine  I recommend you instead set WINEPREFIX=/home/Bayes/.local/share/wineprefixes/gta    for example.  then run winecfg configure it etc...
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2021-09-11 20:27:23	HEX0	I mean a separate wine prefix for each application. cleaner that way, especially if you use winetricks. then breaking 1 prefix doesn't break the rest of applications
2021-09-11 20:29:10	Tom^	well wine has improved lots, think ive had same one prefix for atleast 1 - 2 years now. with all the vcrun* and dotnet472 installed. not needing much else
2021-09-11 20:29:42	Tom^	and dxvk/vkd3d12 linked in.
2021-09-11 20:30:18	predicament	i cant install those
2021-09-11 20:30:21	predicament	for whatever reason.
2021-09-11 20:30:30	predicament	dotnet472
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2021-09-11 20:30:36	predicament	i need it for nba 2k.
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2021-09-11 20:31:03	predicament	i do use dxvk.. and i had to use my old prefix
2021-09-11 20:31:04	predicament	so...
2021-09-11 20:31:08	Gagis	setting up a fresh wineprefix may make it more likely to succeed, or installing trough official installers without using winetricks
2021-09-11 20:31:22	predicament	improvement, yes, but i tried with a fresh one.  no dice.
2021-09-11 20:31:27	Tom^	Gagis: nah dotnet requires bunch of workarounds which winetricks applies
2021-09-11 20:31:31	predicament	yes.
2021-09-11 20:31:32	Gagis	winetricks seems to retain a growing pile of obsolete hacks that may do more harm than good during installation
2021-09-11 20:31:33	Tom^	predicament: what does it error with?
2021-09-11 20:31:36	predicament	you need winetricks
2021-09-11 20:32:10	Tom^	i did actually accidently clean out my ~/ with rm -rf two days ago, so yeah im on a "new" prefix. dotnet installed :P
2021-09-11 20:33:02	predicament	i dont remember right now, i need to get on my gaming system and find out.  it keeps saying it has to fail after a certain amount of workarounds, thats all i remember.  im not bitching about it.. right now im solving a problem thats way more important but i'll figure that out
2021-09-11 20:33:14	predicament	the more important problem is nfs
2021-09-11 20:33:23	predicament	for whatever reason i cannot mount it all of the sudden.  weird.
2021-09-11 20:33:50	HEX0	Tom^: was it fast typing and much in the way of brain activity :P
2021-09-11 20:33:58	HEX0	not much in the way*
2021-09-11 20:33:58	predicament	hey
2021-09-11 20:34:27	predicament	don't do that, come on
2021-09-11 20:35:00	Tom^	HEX0: a makefile making the clean, only "rm -rf $(BIN)/*" only meant that once i refactored things BIN became null meaning rm -rf /* , and with ssds m.2 , it took miliseconds for it to reach /home/
2021-09-11 20:35:02	Tom^	HEX0: :D
2021-09-11 20:35:31	demize	And that's when you learned to backup your workstation as well?  :p
2021-09-11 20:35:50	predicament	i have m.2 running at only half its speed, ram too.  it sucks.  because i dont have a bios that i can use to clock the timings.  fucking laptop is damaged anyway.
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2021-09-11 20:36:00	predicament	my niece spilled sprite all over it while running.
2021-09-11 20:36:02	Tom^	demize: luckily most of my configs are on the x230 laptop too, so i mostly just lost my torrented ga.. linux distros.
2021-09-11 20:36:06	predicament	i dont know where she got it from
2021-09-11 20:36:09	predicament	but i am pissed
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2021-09-11 20:36:20	HEX0	well that's not as bad. I removed hundreds of GiBs via muscle memory and brain farts
2021-09-11 20:36:41	predicament	tom lmao
2021-09-11 20:36:47	Gagis	Tom^, ohh thats an absolute classic
2021-09-11 20:36:54	predicament	my torrented ga...
2021-09-11 20:36:55	Gagis	sorry for your loss, but an excellent for us all
2021-09-11 20:36:56	predicament	lmao
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2021-09-11 20:37:02	Gagis	*lesson for
2021-09-11 20:37:09	Tom^	Gagis: sure is :p
2021-09-11 20:37:16	Tom^	oh well kernel update, brb.
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2021-09-11 20:37:33	predicament	i got two copyright notices from fios.  my first two in my long, 19 year history with them
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2021-09-11 20:40:43	Bayes	re etckeeper, do you run etckeeper init with you user or with sudo?
2021-09-11 20:41:04	Tom^	maybe i should get etckeeper too heh
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2021-09-11 20:45:37	HEX0	maybe just gitignore all the root only readable files
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2021-09-11 20:48:38	bin	hello. me again with the boot manager issues xD 
2021-09-11 20:49:04	bin	i wrote everything down from last time but this time for some reason efibootmgr does not see grub after reinstalling
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2021-09-11 20:50:35	bin	https://dpaste.org/Bni3
2021-09-11 20:50:36	phrik	Title: dpaste/Bni3 (Python) (at dpaste.org)
2021-09-11 20:50:36	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-xKH.txt
2021-09-11 20:50:42	bin	these are the commands i ran
2021-09-11 20:50:59	bin	did i miss a step somewhere?
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2021-09-11 20:51:49	bin	here's the output from efibootmgr -v https://dpaste.org/DKSJ
2021-09-11 20:51:50	phrik	Title: dpaste/DKSJ (Python) (at dpaste.org)
2021-09-11 20:51:50	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-xKX.txt
2021-09-11 20:52:11	Namarrgon	just "grub-install"?
2021-09-11 20:52:15	bhava	i use bootctl, but that mount boot line doesnt look right. 
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2021-09-11 20:53:23	bhava	unless its already specified in fstab?
2021-09-11 20:54:11	bin	Namarrgon: what should i have done instead of grub-install? i thought thats what i did last time, although maybe not
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2021-09-11 20:54:32	Namarrgon	that will give you an error
2021-09-11 20:54:43	Namarrgon	look at the documentation, don't guess
2021-09-11 20:55:13	bin	it did not give me an error
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2021-09-11 21:00:03	bin	Installation finished. No error reported.
2021-09-11 21:01:57	thrice	predicament: nice job
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2021-09-11 21:04:02	Bayes	anyone using etckeeper ?
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2021-09-11 21:04:13	thrice	!anyone
2021-09-11 21:04:13	phrik	Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2021-09-11 21:05:03	Bayes	should I run etckeeper init with or without sudo?
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2021-09-11 21:07:30	thrice	Hm, the examples on the wiki start with "#"
2021-09-11 21:07:33	thrice	which usually implies root
2021-09-11 21:07:44	Bayes	ah
2021-09-11 21:07:49	thrice	try it and see?
2021-09-11 21:08:14	Bayes	yeah I did try and see and got some issues with me not being able to push the files to my github repo
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2021-09-11 21:08:37	Bayes	I didn't know that # means "as root" btw
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2021-09-11 21:09:08	Bayes	so I read it as "if it's not preappended with sudo, then just run as your own user"
2021-09-11 21:09:17	HEX0	Bayes: and $ implies non root for future reference
2021-09-11 21:10:33	thrice	Bayes: it's a wiki, so it could not always be that way, but generally, yeah :)  $ vs. #
2021-09-11 21:11:46	maztheman	$ = user 
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2021-09-11 21:13:13	Bayes	Im following the wiki and as soon as I do sudo etckeeper commit "msg" I get an error: src refspec main does not match any 
2021-09-11 21:13:22	Bayes	so I feel like im missing something
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2021-09-11 21:19:42	bin	i followed the documentation and it said it installed without error, and efibootmr -v gives this https://dpaste.org/ZYPU but it doesn't seem to persist reboot
2021-09-11 21:19:42	phrik	Title: dpaste/ZYPU (Python) (at dpaste.org)
2021-09-11 21:19:42	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-xKa.txt
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2021-09-11 21:21:03	bin	ill try it a different way
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2021-09-11 21:24:51	bin	nope, still didn't.
2021-09-11 21:24:54	Bayes	dang why does sudo -E not preserve my ssh key!
2021-09-11 21:24:54	bin	i dont understanit
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2021-09-11 21:35:09	Tom^	bin: for some reason my boot order automaticly resets to windows if i fully power down instead of rebooting. i simply blaim broken efi by acer. had it temporarly to be able to flash bios updates etc, now i got tired of it and removed windows lol
2021-09-11 21:36:54	bin	Tom^: i did reboot and not fully power down, but that did not happen in the previous model and its weird that the entry gets wiped. i got a suggestion to use the --portable flag so im going to try that
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2021-09-11 21:56:39	Mysterytrain	is there a way without shutting down and checking the bios to see if virtualization stuff is turned on? 
2021-09-11 21:57:32	NetSysFire	there will be a message in the journal
2021-09-11 21:58:28	Mysterytrain	what can I grep for. that damn journal is massive lol
2021-09-11 21:58:54	mkoskar	pretty sure you can see it in $ lscpu
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2021-09-11 22:01:06	Mysterytrain	lscpu says:  Virtualization:        VT-x
2021-09-11 22:01:13	bin	got it solved btw with the --removable flag :)
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2021-09-11 22:36:40	vd	hi there -- with tcpdump I can see a truckload of traffic between my PC port 22 and embedded board port 44866 (directly connected), with lines such as ack 91816, win 2315, options [nop,nop,TS val 3545172677 ecr 2784441120]
2021-09-11 22:36:43	vd	what can this be?
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2021-09-11 22:40:01	yetkind	vd, 44866 Unassigned port, as far as I remember I might be wrong, one of the members will correct that!... if you are suspicious monitor the traffic live between those ports ... imho
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2021-09-11 22:42:42	vd	yetkind like a configuration problem you mean? It's actually flooding these lines
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2021-09-11 22:45:17	yetkind	vd, do you have tempcontroller ?
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2021-09-11 22:46:44	vd	no, what's that?
2021-09-11 22:48:10	yetkind	vd, just checking if you have viscometer ( a temperature sensor) connected to your computer ?
2021-09-11 22:48:29	vd	nop
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2021-09-11 22:52:47	yetkind	vd, now that is weird since you getting error on that 
2021-09-11 22:53:33	vd	doesn't look like an error, just unnecessary traffic 
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2021-09-11 22:57:42	lambda	I am once again rebuilding half my system from source - debug symbols for repo packages when?
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2021-09-11 23:00:14	yetkind	vd,  did you block the traffic and let see if something distruped or not ?
2021-09-11 23:00:19	yetkind	just an idea ?
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2021-09-11 23:09:44	kill	does crontab even work on archlinux?
2021-09-11 23:09:48	sheep	yes
2021-09-11 23:09:53	Psybur	Anybody running arch on RISC V?
2021-09-11 23:09:55	sheep	but you need to install and enable a crond
2021-09-11 23:10:11	MrElendig	kill: systemd timers are generally nicer
2021-09-11 23:10:24	Psybur	I got busybox running in qemu
2021-09-11 23:10:38	Psybur	On risc v, next step is to get an arch image :D
2021-09-11 23:11:03	Psybur	*an arch image running
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2021-09-11 23:11:41	MrElendig	there is a partially done port 
2021-09-11 23:11:54	kill	MrElendig, oh, I remember this https://github.com/killown/gnome-timer
2021-09-11 23:12:08	kill	not tuse if my code is still working
2021-09-11 23:12:11	kill	sure*
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2021-09-11 23:13:58	MrElendig	Psybur: you can find the fork on gh
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2021-09-12 10:05:37	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | Down? https://status.archlinux.org"
2021-09-12 10:05:37	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1299 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1299 normals)
2021-09-11 23:20:29	kill	my code looks like working 
2021-09-11 23:20:39	kill	thank you MrElendig 
2021-09-11 23:28:22	Psybur	@MrElendig, is this it? https://github.com/archlinux-riscv
2021-09-11 23:28:35	MrElendig	that is one of the two forks yes
2021-09-11 23:29:02	MrElendig	neither of them are what  I would call "active"
2021-09-11 23:29:55	Psybur	@MrElendig, could you link to the other one? Cant find it
2021-09-11 23:30:11	jimmy399	Hi, good night :D
2021-09-11 23:30:56	MrElendig	can't rememeber the name, check reddit for the link
2021-09-11 23:33:45	jimmy399	Oh, I have a little problem. I have a dual-boot system. Debian 11 and Windows 8.1 UEFI boot. I use grub, and grub the boot loader. Debian 11 has a factory grub background. This is ok. But, I boot the windows 8.1 then not clear the screen the grub. When windows 8 booting show up debian 11 grub backround. How to clear the screen in grub.cfg? 
2021-09-11 23:35:38	jimmy399	I wrote clear line in windows boot entry, but nothing to do.
2021-09-11 23:38:49	Psybur	Can't seem to find another fork, only this repo shows up when i search r/archlinux
2021-09-11 23:41:55	andril	o/ all
2021-09-11 23:52:10	Psybur	Guess Ill see how far I can take the one fork I found
2021-09-12 01:33:26	yuuki410	Is there any IME cloud be use in CLI?
2021-09-12 01:36:36	yuuki410	Is there any IME cloud be use in CLI?
2021-09-12 01:36:59	sheep	what do you mean by IME?
2021-09-12 01:37:33	yuuki410	Input
2021-09-12 01:37:38	sheep	input method?
2021-09-12 01:37:46	yuuki410	YES
2021-09-12 01:37:53	sheep	most terminal emulators work with most IMEs
2021-09-12 01:38:00	sheep	but you need to be using a graphical environment
2021-09-12 01:39:38	yuuki410	Cloud Fbterm be?
2021-09-12 01:39:49	sheep	I think you mean "could" not "cloud"
2021-09-12 01:39:55	sheep	does fbterm run in X or wayland?
2021-09-12 01:40:14	yuuki410	Sorry, I don't good at English
2021-09-12 01:40:34	yuuki410	In Arch Linux ARM
2021-09-12 01:40:56	sheep	fbterm does not support IME
2021-09-12 01:41:45	sheep	fbterm does have an input method interface, but most of the IMEs for X and wayland don't work with fbterm's interface
2021-09-12 01:55:42	yuuki410	#archlinux
2021-09-12 02:00:00	Mysterytrain	ewe are hear
2021-09-12 02:40:25	bhava	back.  was connection issues my end or ... ?
2021-09-12 02:42:23	Hydragyrum	must be your end, have been connected without issues for many hours
2021-09-12 02:44:16	bhava	odd.  twitter has libera saying tor issues, not that i am connected that way.  thought it mightve been the whole shebang
2021-09-12 02:45:39	Hydragyrum	my last disconnect from libera was a bit over 14 hours ago
2021-09-12 02:50:10	rcf	yuuki410: #archlinux-arm would be the appropriate channel for that
2021-09-12 02:53:09	mags	welp, just -Syu'd, and now every github page (in firefox) is displayed entirely in monospace font
2021-09-12 02:53:32	archdemon	fun times
2021-09-12 02:54:23	mags	checked it out on Debian, and it's normal (not monospace) there
2021-09-12 02:54:48	thrice	what packages updated?
2021-09-12 03:00:08	mags	https://termbin.com/yrkm
2021-09-12 03:32:04	mags	just downgraded to firefox 91.0.2 and the problem goes away
2021-09-12 03:37:34	thrice	same with a new profile?  Sorry, don't know, I don't use FF :|
2021-09-12 03:37:55	mags	yeah, the first thing I did was try a brand new profile
2021-09-12 03:47:48	coruja	no problems with ff92 here concerning fonts
2021-09-12 03:49:02	mags	you tried github? it's only happening there. weird
2021-09-12 03:49:12	coruja	yes
2021-09-12 03:50:07	mags	I'll keep digging, I guess.
2021-09-12 03:53:28	mags	found it, kind of, github on firefox is now using my default gtk font for some reason
2021-09-12 03:57:18	kevr	I'm using mako for Wayland notifications. From `man 5 mako`, I see the --default-timeout and --ignore-timeout can allow me to control timeout expiration regardless of metadata sent by the notification trigger. However, providing --default-timeout=1000 --ignore-timeout=1 does not seem to produce a 1 second expiration timeout.
2021-09-12 03:57:43	kevr	Notifications are just staying up there forever until I click them.
2021-09-12 03:57:52	kevr	Any clue?
2021-09-12 04:01:02	kevr	Oh, okay. Interesting... setting the options in ~/.config/mako/config solves the issue.
2021-09-12 04:01:10	kevr	That seems odd...
2021-09-12 04:01:25	mags	looking at the css on github I found: `body { font-family: ... system-ui ...}` ... I see
2021-09-12 04:28:17	kevr	re: To clarify, that issue only shows when providing the cmdline options inside of sway's config. Providing them in a standard shell seems to work fine.
2021-09-12 05:02:48	mov_eax	has the libtinfo.so.6 been fixed in Arch? i am asking because i did the old trick of symbolically linking linbncursessw.so.6 to it and clangd is still giving me an error?
2021-09-12 05:03:21	sheep	what application is complaining about libtinfo.so.6?
2021-09-12 05:03:53	mov_eax	@sheep: clangd
2021-09-12 05:04:29	sheep	is clangd from an AUR package?
2021-09-12 05:05:28	mov_eax	it's not in the AUR nor official repos either. i could always hunt the source and get it resolved locally. just wanted to know, if this issue has been fixed in Arch.
2021-09-12 05:05:34	sheep	yes
2021-09-12 05:05:37	mov_eax	@sheep: clangd is not in the AUR either
2021-09-12 05:05:44	sheep	ncurses provides libtinfo.so.6
2021-09-12 07:03:15	predicament	i might need sudden help with NFS, guys..
2021-09-12 07:03:32	predicament	I'll reboot first, but it won't mount, and it's not getting the response from the server i was hoping.
2021-09-12 07:03:36	predicament	;/
2021-09-12 07:03:45	predicament	this is basically required.
2021-09-12 07:06:36	predicament	and yes this was working before
2021-09-12 07:09:24	ponies	it wont mount? what does systemctl nfs-server say?
2021-09-12 07:10:11	ponies	*status
2021-09-12 07:10:40	ponies	predicament: 
2021-09-12 07:11:13	predicament	un momento.
2021-09-12 07:12:08	predicament	Active: active (exited) since Sat 2021-09-11 15:22:10 EDT; 9h ago
2021-09-12 07:12:08	predicament	   Main PID: 688 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
2021-09-12 07:12:13	predicament	Started, Finished.
2021-09-12 07:12:17	predicament	as if nothing is wrong
2021-09-12 07:13:14	ponies	is should read active (running)
2021-09-12 07:13:27	predicament	i'll restart it
2021-09-12 07:13:29	predicament	weird
2021-09-12 07:13:59	predicament	that's why it's saying "from server no file/directory" or something along those lines on any client
2021-09-12 07:14:06	predicament	usually there's just one.
2021-09-12 07:14:19	predicament	and it's within this network on a /24 subnet
2021-09-12 07:14:39	predicament	sorry, my home network == this network
2021-09-12 07:14:54	ponies	hang on, just to be sure, you think ther server is working, but the client wont connect/ 
2021-09-12 07:15:06	predicament	it won't mount.
2021-09-12 07:15:11	predicament	but it does get a response.
2021-09-12 07:15:19	predicament	never seen this before.
2021-09-12 07:15:43	predicament	mount.nfs: mounting 192.168.1.2:/srv/nfs/z failed, reason given by server: No such file or directory
2021-09-12 07:16:00	predicament	and I do this to mount: udo mount -t nfs 192.168.1.2:/srv/nfs/z /mnt/nfs/z
2021-09-12 07:16:10	predicament	both paths are correct.
2021-09-12 07:16:19	ponies	did you add /srv/nfs/z into exports?
2021-09-12 07:16:19	predicament	sudo* not udo
2021-09-12 07:16:22	predicament	yes.
2021-09-12 07:16:27	predicament	it's been there for 6 months
2021-09-12 07:16:36	predicament	this is the first time for some reason..
2021-09-12 07:18:09	ponies	no joke try rebooting
2021-09-12 07:18:21	predicament	it happened after dkms had that issue where there was a typo.. and it was using a broadcom driver for its ethernet.  i rebooted the server, then it stopped working completely, yet exportfs returns what it should and configuration is not different at all (file size same, date modified also shows back in march of 2021)
2021-09-12 07:18:25	predicament	i did.
2021-09-12 07:18:31	predicament	but.. i will again
2021-09-12 07:18:37	predicament	just a second
2021-09-12 07:18:59	predicament	it's only been up 1 hour, so
2021-09-12 07:19:06	predicament	anyway, rebooting it
2021-09-12 07:22:06	predicament	the broadcom driver i might try to install just in case.  the address is correct becuase i'm doing ssh, so it isnt that
2021-09-12 07:22:40	predicament	should be up within a minute
2021-09-12 07:23:41	predicament	mount.nfs: mounting 192.168.1.2:/srv/nfs/z failed, reason given by server: No such file or directory
2021-09-12 07:23:45	ponies	predicament: and your fstab is fine? 
2021-09-12 07:24:02	predicament	it is.  no changes to that; i checked.
2021-09-12 07:24:05	predicament	im perplexed.
2021-09-12 07:24:43	predicament	and the directory indeed exists, to be clear lmao
2021-09-12 07:25:02	ponies	journalctl -eu nfs-server
2021-09-12 07:26:20	predicament	give me a couple of minutes, my niece woke up.  i'm sorry, like 5 minutes i just gotta put her back to bed
2021-09-12 07:27:27	ponies	no problem
2021-09-12 07:30:20	predicament	well, it doesn't give me much.  hang on.
2021-09-12 07:30:21	predicament	!paste
2021-09-12 07:30:22	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-09-12 07:32:14	predicament	https://bpa.st/JAPA
2021-09-12 07:32:15	phrik	Title: View paste JAPA (at bpa.st)
2021-09-12 07:33:15	predicament	i'm baffled.  i really did work on this a lot to make sure i got it right before too.  i checked my firewall.. no changes there, since i mentioned a network card driver changing.
2021-09-12 07:33:35	ponies	well the server wasnt running
2021-09-12 07:33:54	predicament	it is supposed to on startup.
2021-09-12 07:33:58	predicament	that's why im baffled.
2021-09-12 07:34:17	predicament	hang on let me enable it and see what it says.  after all, it says its enabled but not running, just exited
2021-09-12 07:34:18	ponies	what does exportfs -v say?
2021-09-12 07:34:29	predicament	sec
2021-09-12 07:34:29	ponies	enable and start 
2021-09-12 07:34:46	predicament	yes hang on let me do that first then i'll show exportfs if it doesnt work still
2021-09-12 07:34:59	ponies	it should just list the mounted files 
2021-09-12 07:36:19	predicament	it does
2021-09-12 07:36:27	ponies	good
2021-09-12 07:36:38	predicament	but..
2021-09-12 07:36:48	predicament	it won't start even when i did enable and then start
2021-09-12 07:36:57	predicament	it still says active (exited)
2021-09-12 07:37:19	predicament	it was acting like it was never disabled
2021-09-12 07:37:22	predicament	or anything of the sort
2021-09-12 07:37:33	predicament	i'll try a restart
2021-09-12 07:37:52	predicament	because it still says the same thing for status, so
2021-09-12 07:38:27	ponies	why is it crashing? the journal says nothing? 
2021-09-12 07:38:50	ponies	try w sudo? :D 
2021-09-12 07:40:21	predicament	it says nothing at all
2021-09-12 07:40:26	predicament	as if it wasnt crashing at all.
2021-09-12 07:40:43	predicament	what i said before when you asked for status.. same ordeal now
2021-09-12 07:41:30	predicament	i have a bad feeling that it might be something that had to do with dkms and something just isnt setting correctly...
2021-09-12 07:43:21	predicament	and i do verbose boot, i see nothing but green OK for everythign no matter what, and there's not been one change to nfs itself.  but it would sometimes "break" or stop working, but it would have stuff i could troubleshoot/work with
2021-09-12 07:43:32	predicament	i have nothing to work with so i'm gonna try a different kernel maybe.
2021-09-12 07:43:41	predicament	or use the other network driver
2021-09-12 07:43:56	ponies	i dont think its your network or firewall
2021-09-12 07:44:00	predicament	i dont either
2021-09-12 07:44:03	predicament	im just covering bases ;/
2021-09-12 07:44:04	ponies	something about the server
2021-09-12 07:44:48	predicament	and firewall rules are as they were before as well so, rule out firewall for sure
2021-09-12 07:46:48	predicament	if it is crashing then i might redo the server.  i dont know, i can't see what the hell is going on this time.  i'd stumped.  nfs has stumped me before, but it was always something that was in troubleshooting, never this.   now, to be fair, we had a power outage recently and UPS didnt activate
2021-09-12 07:47:35	predicament	that could have done something.  so maybe i should move the crap to the raspberrypi.  idk.
2021-09-12 07:47:45	predicament	this is silly, it should be running fine.
2021-09-12 07:47:52	predicament	especially when left alone.
2021-09-12 07:48:24	predicament	im gonna try booting it into um.. just the typical arch kernel.  normally has LTS but im gonna boot it into 5.14.x
2021-09-12 07:48:33	predicament	.. just to see
2021-09-12 07:49:03	predicament	because the kernel also upgraded for LTS recently, though i dont think i saw any bug reports or issues about it.
2021-09-12 08:52:55	jimmy399	Wonderful, I solved my problem :D
2021-09-12 09:04:05	Tom^	predicament: are you sure you have internet up and running when its trying to mount it?
2021-09-12 09:04:53	predicament	100% positive.
2021-09-12 09:05:04	predicament	i made sure to ip a show
2021-09-12 09:05:12	predicament	just to be safe
2021-09-12 09:05:14	predicament	it was fine.
2021-09-12 09:05:20	predicament	and then i checked my internet acccess
2021-09-12 09:05:24	predicament	and then i got on here :)
2021-09-12 09:05:35	predicament	and as you can see. i'm talking to you.. soo... yeah
2021-09-12 09:05:53	predicament	network access is all that's needed, not internet
2021-09-12 09:06:07	predicament	at least with my exportfs
2021-09-12 09:06:56	predicament	regardless all clients and the server all have internet access.  so yes.
2021-09-12 09:07:35	predicament	im gonna try something with the driver before i just scrap nfs and then reinstall, its all i can think of.  sometimes it "breaks" for nfsv3
2021-09-12 09:08:19	manuels	Hi is somebody willing to develop an out of the box working (minimal config) docker image for an Bluetooth a2dp sink for headless devices like raspberry pi
2021-09-12 09:08:27	manuels	with me
2021-09-12 09:08:50	Tom^	sure 16$ an hour.
2021-09-12 09:09:03	manuels	its a lot of work and does not exist yet
2021-09-12 09:09:44	manuels	no not employed. GPL. open source. take some give some
2021-09-12 09:09:48	Tom^	i can stretch to a one payment of 5000$, payed in advance.
2021-09-12 09:10:07	manuels	bla 😃
2021-09-12 09:10:16	manuels	just asking for help
2021-09-12 09:10:35	manuels	I dont have time to do it allone
2021-09-12 09:10:55	Tom^	so begin coding, and hope someone finds interest in your project.
2021-09-12 09:11:03	manuels	more developers are always better for sustainability
2021-09-12 09:11:31	manuels	i started a handful of projects. nobody is willing so spend time
2021-09-12 09:11:36	manuels	i know the scene
2021-09-12 09:12:26	Tom^	yeah well you cant force them into it either :P
2021-09-12 09:12:45	manuels	I don't 
2021-09-12 09:12:52	manuels	I ask politely
2021-09-12 09:13:26	manuels	There's just this one condition: it will not happen if I am alone
2021-09-12 09:15:21	manuels	As we all know Bluetooth is one of the best kept secrets in Linux world. Its a lot of research and also a lot of noise considering libraries and bluez online 
2021-09-12 09:16:28	manuels	Not that I don't want to. I just don't have the time to research and trial and error for weeks. I did try some of the tutorials online. No success so far
2021-09-12 09:17:41	kevku	bt stuff is janky so people prefer to use wifi instead like miracast 
2021-09-12 09:19:07	manuels	Of all handhelds support miracast out of the box? 
2021-09-12 09:19:13	manuels	Do... 
2021-09-12 09:20:21	manuels	I guess with bt stuff you mean bluez? 
2021-09-12 09:20:43	kevku	there is a reason airpods cost $300
2021-09-12 09:21:00	manuels	Maybe
2021-09-12 09:21:27	manuels	🤷🏼‍♂️ But I wouldnt buy them solely for this reason 
2021-09-12 09:21:38	manuels	Do they support miracast? 
2021-09-12 09:23:07	manuels	Also I guess SAR is worse that bt for human beeings
2021-09-12 09:23:17	manuels	Than*
2021-09-12 09:23:21	kevr	it's another kev!
2021-09-12 09:23:38	Tom^	an evolved one.
2021-09-12 09:24:14	manuels	I am sorry about that 😬
2021-09-12 09:25:00	manuels	Well no resonance 
2021-09-12 09:25:26	manuels	I am still around. If somebody is interested in the a2dp thing
2021-09-12 09:25:32	manuels	Pm me
2021-09-12 09:25:40	manuels	Or mention or whatever
2021-09-12 09:33:48	kian	if I have a series of several invocations of the same command in a script (specifically firewall-cmd(1)) that each use polkit to authenticate, is there a way to allow the user to authenticate once for all 3 commands
2021-09-12 09:35:02	NetSysFire	you could probably codense these commands, such as "pkexec 'command1; command2; command3'"
2021-09-12 09:35:49	kian	I didn't know about pkexec. That's exactly what I want, thanks!
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2021-09-12 12:31:06	carbolymer	anyone else experiencing breakage with python-setuptools recently?
2021-09-12 12:31:18	carbolymer	seems like my bazarr and home-assistant are broken
2021-09-12 12:31:38	carbolymer	https://bpa.st/Y4IA
2021-09-12 12:31:39	phrik	Title: View paste Y4IA (at bpa.st)
2021-09-12 12:32:23	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-09-12 12:33:31	teraflops	carbolymer: did you read the message?
2021-09-12 12:33:40	carbolymer	nope, which one?
2021-09-12 12:33:44	teraflops	it says "you are on your own"
2021-09-12 12:33:50	carbolymer	no kidding
2021-09-12 12:34:20	carbolymer	teraflops: point is, home-assistant is also broken with the same stacktrace, and the fact that bazarr says that has nothing to do with that
2021-09-12 12:35:22	teraflops	so "Python 3.9.x is unsupported. Current version is 3.9.7. Keep in mind that even if it works, you're on your own." has nothing to to with that?
2021-09-12 12:35:27	carbolymer	YES
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2021-09-12 12:36:18	teraflops	I see, good luck
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2021-09-12 12:36:30	carbolymer	nice input
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2021-09-12 13:05:48	The-Compiler	carbolymer: I'd edit /usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py to add a print(self) at the top of get_entry_map (after the docstring in line 2849) so you can see which package might be the culprit
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2021-09-12 13:15:25	carbolymer	The-Compiler: thanks! it stops at lit 12.0.1.dev0 in both cases...
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2021-09-12 13:18:21	The-Compiler	carbolymer: hmm, that seems to be part of llvm - surely more people would be having issues if that was broken, weird
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2021-09-12 13:20:15	The-Compiler	carbolymer: maybe also add a print(data) in parse_map after line 2528 (where the actual error occurs)
2021-09-12 13:20:33	The-Compiler	carbolymer: because https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/blob/main/llvm/utils/lit/setup.py#L73-L77 seems to look fine off-hand
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2021-09-12 13:22:26	The-Compiler	carbolymer: and /usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/lit-12.0.1.dev0-py3.9.egg-info/entry_points.txt looks like a valid ini-style file, at least on my system, with a [console_scripts] at the top
2021-09-12 13:25:25	carbolymer	The-Compiler: that's the case! i have borked entry_points file
2021-09-12 13:25:32	carbolymer	39 bytes of rubbish
2021-09-12 13:25:41	carbolymer	how the heck that happened
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2021-09-12 13:26:50	carbolymer	I've ran out of disk space during recent system upgrade, but that should not leave garbage in files imo
2021-09-12 13:30:00	carbolymer	The-Compiler: thanks a lot! I've reinstalled llvm with --overwrite and it fixed that
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2021-09-12 13:39:12	The-Compiler	carbolymer: huh, weird! Might want to reinstall python-setuptools too just to get rid of the changes to it :)
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2021-09-12 19:25:24	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1342 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1342 normals)
2021-09-12 14:55:17	earnestly	carbolymer: paccheck --md5sum --list-broken
2021-09-12 15:02:29	carbolymer	earnestly: thanks! I didn't know about paccheck
2021-09-12 15:09:37	Pickchea	Hey, I would like to install Theme Park World with PlayOnLinux but I always get "Wine cannot find the FreeType font library. To enable Wine to use TrueType fonts please install a version of FreeType greater than or equal to 2.0.5.". I already installed freetype2 and lib32-freetype2. What else can I do?
2021-09-12 15:11:32	Namarrgon	do you really need PoL for this? regular wine isn't working?
2021-09-12 15:12:20	Namarrgon	is your system up to date?
2021-09-12 15:12:31	MacGyver	I really wish they'd rebrand to Game-on-Linux.
2021-09-12 15:12:45	MacGyver	That abbreviation wouldn't highlight me.
2021-09-12 15:13:14	Pickchea	Namarrgon, I would really like to manage all my Windows applications centrally through PoL.
2021-09-12 15:14:53	Pickchea	Namarrgon, my system is up to date. Apparently this issue isn't uncommon but all the solutions online are for Ubuntu.
2021-09-12 15:18:27	JarbonFeh	sheep: what's the use of an "IME"? 
2021-09-12 15:19:32	Namarrgon	Pickchea: what is the full output?
2021-09-12 15:19:52	Namarrgon	!give JarbonFeh w ime
2021-09-12 15:19:54	phrik	JarbonFeh: Input method - Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_method>
2021-09-12 15:20:28	morrigan	Pickchea: if you don't want to just use wine, I had better success with lutris than pol for games
2021-09-12 15:20:46	JarbonFeh	Ok :-)
2021-09-12 15:21:09	Pickchea	Namarrgon, that's the whole output. I promise every log line before and after is unrelated. It's on another computer so I can't copy/paste.
2021-09-12 15:23:40	Namarrgon	well, if you say so
2021-09-12 15:32:33	enoq	geez, isn't it possible to package Go in a smaller package?
2021-09-12 15:35:52	Foxboron	enoq: Talking about the Go package?
2021-09-12 15:36:12	enoq	yes
2021-09-12 15:36:37	Foxboron	And what is your suggestion?
2021-09-12 15:36:54	Pickchea	morrigan, thanks for the hint, but that requires and ISO and if I try to make one from the CD I get a bunch of I/O errors.
2021-09-12 15:37:09	enoq	afaik they are statically building for several architectures
2021-09-12 15:37:29	enoq	just ship the "correct" one
2021-09-12 15:37:50	Foxboron	enoq: statically building what exactly?
2021-09-12 15:37:56	enoq	the compiler
2021-09-12 15:38:22	Foxboron	I'm very sure that is incorrect
2021-09-12 15:39:42	jelle	it was already recuded in size recently ^_^
2021-09-12 15:40:14	hashworks	Hi! Having some problems with a Switch Pro Controller using bluetooth over here. Initial connection works fine, with or without the hid-nintendo-dkms AUR package: https://fb.hash.works/qCir7/plain – however, sometimes it just looses the connection and tries to reconnect, which will then result in "Connection Failed: Input/output error" any time it tries to connect
2021-09-12 15:40:16	hashworks	https://fb.hash.works/iqeot820/ . No errors in dmesg, only log I get is in bluetooth systemd-journal, "Can't get HIDP connection info" and "Host is down" https://fb.hash.works/gSL691Ki/
2021-09-12 15:40:23	phrik	Title: stdin (at fb.hash.works)
2021-09-12 15:40:35	hashworks	I then need to remove the device from the Bluetooth Manager and completly reconnect the controller
2021-09-12 15:40:43	Foxboron	jelle: 200 MB or something :p
2021-09-12 15:40:48	hashworks	Which then might work for 30min or, I don't know, 5. Quite random.
2021-09-12 15:41:10	hashworks	Anyone that had similar problems? Or ideas to debug it?
2021-09-12 15:41:38	Foxboron	Can probably remove <50MB if I spend more time on it before splitting the package would reduce it even more
2021-09-12 16:06:33	shugo	cls
2021-09-12 16:06:40	shugo	hi
2021-09-12 16:12:09	mingdao	!give shugo politewelcome
2021-09-12 16:12:10	phrik	shugo: Welcome to #archlinux - How can we help you?
2021-09-12 16:39:28	kupi	!pastebin
2021-09-12 16:39:28	phrik	Pastebin.com is swamped with advertisements and random captchas. Malware found on pastebin.com has resulted in it being blocked for some users. It injects CRLF line-endings. Please, use something else. Use something sane like https://gist.github.com https://bpaste.net https://ix.io and see !ix for easy way to paste from a pipe
2021-09-12 16:47:41	mingdao	!give kupi rs
2021-09-12 16:47:42	phrik	kupi: <command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2021-09-12 16:48:19	mingdao	!give kupi 0x0
2021-09-12 16:48:19	phrik	kupi: curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2021-09-12 16:48:53	mingdao	kupi: I have a nice little script for 0x0.st if you'd like.
2021-09-12 16:50:41	invra	hello guys, i downloaded Arch-Linux-x86_64-virtualbox-20210912.0.box virtualbox image but when i try to import alliance it says it only suppots .ova and .ovf
2021-09-12 16:51:12	invra	also if i try using it as a disk image it doesnt have the right format. i cant fidn any documentation
2021-09-12 16:52:17	mingdao	invra: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VirtualBox
2021-09-12 16:52:19	phrik	Title: VirtualBox - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-12 16:53:33	invra	mingdao: i alredy checked that wiki post. nowhere it even mentions a .box file extension
2021-09-12 16:55:06	mingdao	invra: Where did you get Arch-Linux-x86_64-virtualbox-20210912.0.box ?
2021-09-12 16:55:19	kupi	mingdao: is there a problem with hastebin?
2021-09-12 16:56:15	mingdao	kupi: IDK, is there?
2021-09-12 16:56:17	invra	mingdao: https://archlinux.org/download/ VM images section
2021-09-12 16:56:18	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Downloads (at archlinux.org)
2021-09-12 16:57:25	mingdao	invra: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/arch-boxes/-/jobs/34148/artifacts/file/output/Arch-Linux-x86_64-virtualbox-20210912.0.box ?
2021-09-12 16:57:28	phrik	Title: Artifacts · build:secure (#34148) · Jobs · Arch Linux / arch-boxes · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2021-09-12 16:58:24	invra	yes that
2021-09-12 17:03:25	kupi	mingdao: i thought maybe hastebin is not listed at !pastebin for a reason
2021-09-12 17:04:32	invra	mingdao sorry i lost connection, havent seen if you replied
2021-09-12 17:06:58	invra	do you know waht this virtualbox .box images are for or how to use them?
2021-09-12 17:08:59	mingdao	invra: I don't use VirtualBox, and don't see anything about a box image mentioned in the wiki.  Nor can I find anything about them on VirtualBox's website, or elsewhere.
2021-09-12 17:09:37	invra	yeah. i wonder why they are even there advertised as VM images when there is no docs and they cant be used on virtualbox
2021-09-12 17:09:48	mingdao	invra: Arch-Linux-x86_64-virtualbox-20210912.0.box: gzip compressed data, from Unix, original size modulo 2^32 569128960
2021-09-12 17:10:00	mingdao	I suppose you could unzip it and see what's there.
2021-09-12 17:13:09	mingdao	invra: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/arch-boxes/-/blob/master/box.ovf
2021-09-12 17:13:11	phrik	Title: box.ovf · master · Arch Linux / arch-boxes · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2021-09-12 17:14:13	invra	mingdao oh yeah indeed i had to extract it.. 
2021-09-12 17:14:43	invra	i was actually able to laod the image but the password and username described in the readme are supposed to be arch pw:arch but they dont work xD
2021-09-12 17:16:35	mingdao	I gave you the wrong link.  Should be https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/arch-boxes/-/commit/ae03f87e58aeec9e94c054027c6a60e833532048
2021-09-12 17:16:38	phrik	Title: Build the VirtualBox image with the qemu builder and convert it (ae03f87e) · Commits · Arch Linux / arch-boxes · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2021-09-12 17:18:05	invra	according to the wiki the user and pass is arch.  https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/arch-boxes/
2021-09-12 17:18:08	phrik	Title: Arch Linux / arch-boxes · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2021-09-12 17:18:15	invra	well the readme
2021-09-12 17:24:30	invra	hmm oh well it seems that the best solution is to boot the classic arch iso and go trought the install process
2021-09-12 17:24:43	invra	this vbox images are not reliable 
2021-09-12 17:26:53	jelle	invra: you could init=/bin/bash :)
2021-09-12 17:27:34	jelle	invra: where did you read that the password is `arch`?
2021-09-12 17:28:31	jelle	the basic image has user arch/arch
2021-09-12 17:49:23	invra	jelle here https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/arch-boxes/#basic-image
2021-09-12 17:49:26	phrik	Title: Arch Linux / arch-boxes · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2021-09-12 17:50:13	jelle	invra: but the boxes image is not the basic image
2021-09-12 17:50:27	invra	hmm
2021-09-12 17:50:44	invra	well it boots into a login screen... no clue how to go with that
2021-09-12 17:51:12	jelle	invra: it's supposed to be used with vagrant I think :)
2021-09-12 17:51:44	mingdao	kupi: IDK, as I don't code the bot.  Those 2 links I provided are the ones I prefer.  It's all about Personal Choice, eh?
2021-09-12 17:53:35	mingdao	kupi: hastebin uses js, iirc
2021-09-12 18:18:52	bin	what tool do you guys use for graphical benchmarking
2021-09-12 18:21:14	bin	im going through the wiki just curious if anyone has a preferred one
2021-09-12 18:24:44	⚡ 	thrice doesn't have a need for benchmarking
2021-09-12 18:33:06	jelle	bin: graphical, as in hmm gtk/qt app?
2021-09-12 18:35:00	poprostumieciek	is there an easy way to downgrade gnome 40? i hate horizontal workspaces and absence of dash to dock extension...
2021-09-12 18:38:56	ascor	Hi. I have the suspicion that my dkms is somehow messed up. Installing a custom compiled kernel (using arch-hardened as the source) now tells me that it can't remove dkms modules since they're not found in dkms status output. Interestingly enough, dkms status (https://pastebin.com/ig1Um9Ev) does list all the modules it's trying to remove. It then goes on to install them anyway in the next step
2021-09-12 18:38:56	ascor	but I seem to have 
2021-09-12 18:38:56	ascor	issues with the nvidia driver after a reboot.
2021-09-12 18:38:57	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-x1N.txt
2021-09-12 18:39:13	Edu4rdSHL	bin, there's glmark2
2021-09-12 18:39:41	ascor	Could anyone point me in the right direction for understanding what this dkms status output means and how to get it back into a state without warnings or duplicates?
2021-09-12 18:39:48	Edu4rdSHL	ascor, how are you trying to remove them?
2021-09-12 18:40:15	Edu4rdSHL	dkms remove vboxhost/6.1.26_OSE -k 5.13.14-hardened1-1-hardened
2021-09-12 18:40:17	ascor	I did dkms uninstall, just pacman removing didn't seem like the right play.
2021-09-12 18:40:18	Edu4rdSHL	Will work for sure
2021-09-12 18:41:10	Edu4rdSHL	And repeat the same steps for the 5.13.14 modules as I assume that you're using 5.13.15
2021-09-12 18:45:00	habib_	poprostumieciek: You must've enable gnome-unstable. Disabling it should give GNOME 3
2021-09-12 18:45:45	ascor	It removed one instance but it says it can't find the duplicate instance
2021-09-12 18:45:50	ascor	Even tho dkms status still lists it
2021-09-12 18:46:20	poprostumieciek	i dont even have arch installed, i thought gnome 40 is shipped by default with arch
2021-09-12 18:46:45	habib_	poprostumieciek: There is no GUI shipped with it. You have to manually install it
2021-09-12 18:47:03	poprostumieciek	i mean in the repo
2021-09-12 18:47:11	poprostumieciek	i am planning to switch to arch but i didnt want gnome 40
2021-09-12 18:47:23	poprostumieciek	but if you say that i can go with gnome 3 then fine :))
2021-09-12 18:47:26	habib_	poprostumieciek: GNOME 40 is a beta. It isn't by default
2021-09-12 18:47:33	NetSysFire	there is also no default
2021-09-12 18:47:37	NetSysFire	you choose what to install
2021-09-12 18:48:00	habib_	The default GNOME desktop in the repos is GNOME 3
2021-09-12 18:48:22	Edu4rdSHL	ascor, which "duplicate" instance, after that command the vboxhost/6.1.26_OSE, 5.13.14-hardened1-1-hardened, x86_64: installed (WARNING! Missing some built modules!) (WARNING! Missing some built modules!) (WARNING! Missing some built modules!) line shoulnd't appear anymore
2021-09-12 18:48:39	poprostumieciek	habib_: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/gnome-desktop/
2021-09-12 18:48:43	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - gnome-desktop 1:40.4-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2021-09-12 18:48:47	Edu4rdSHL	Also you aren't providing output info of the executed commands, not the commands itself...
2021-09-12 18:48:54	ascor	That's the exact one
2021-09-12 18:49:10	poprostumieciek	and it is gnome 40, look at the version
2021-09-12 18:50:17	Edu4rdSHL	ascor, ok run `dkms remove vboxhost/6.1.26_OSE -k 5.13.14-hardened1-1-hardened` then `dkms status` and paste the log
2021-09-12 18:50:28	ascor	https://pastebin.com/vFhQFHpd
2021-09-12 18:50:29	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-x1A.txt
2021-09-12 18:50:30	phrik	Title: sudo dkms remove vboxhost/6.1.26_OSEModule vboxhost-6.1.26_OSE for kernel 5.13 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-09-12 18:50:45	coruja	poprostumieciek: don't you think you could configure gnome the way you want it to be? your issues sound like rather nimor ones
2021-09-12 18:50:54	coruja	minor
2021-09-12 18:51:24	poprostumieciek	who said that this channel is for major issues only?
2021-09-12 18:51:33	ascor	I uninstalled the 5.13.15 module first. Don't be confused by this. I run with -k 5.13.14-hardened later.
2021-09-12 18:51:42	Edu4rdSHL	ascor, you aren't running the command I told you.
2021-09-12 18:51:46	n00b101	e4defrag is missing from repo!!
2021-09-12 18:51:46	coruja	poprostumieciek: no one did
2021-09-12 18:51:49	ascor	See above.
2021-09-12 18:52:06	poprostumieciek	coruja: how can i change horizontal workspaces back to vertical?
2021-09-12 18:52:13	ascor	I can follow simple instructions.
2021-09-12 18:52:14	Edu4rdSHL	ascor, run the exact command I send to you.
2021-09-12 18:52:28	coruja	poprostumieciek: i don't know, i'm not into gnome
2021-09-12 18:52:39	poprostumieciek	coruja: oh ok
2021-09-12 18:52:49	Edu4rdSHL	Also you uninstalled the module for the **current** installed kernel, that is not what do you want for sure.
2021-09-12 18:53:03	bin	jelle: graphical as in pushes my gpu 
2021-09-12 18:53:08	bin	Edu4rdSHL: ill look into it, thanks
2021-09-12 18:53:10	jelle	bin: aha!
2021-09-12 18:53:14	ascor	Ah, I had a duplicate line and removed the one where I executed sudo dkms remove vboxhost/6.1.26_OSE -k 5.13.14-hardened1-1-hardened
2021-09-12 18:53:14	coruja	poprostumieciek: maybe some dconf settings magic but just a good guess from my side
2021-09-12 18:53:22	ascor	but trust me, it was executed.
2021-09-12 18:53:26	Edu4rdSHL	Send the log.
2021-09-12 18:53:34	Edu4rdSHL	I don't even trust me.
2021-09-12 18:53:45	bin	jelle: there was one i used before and i cant remember what it was called and it had all kinds of 3d rendering and stuff
2021-09-12 18:54:05	jelle	bin: I know what you mean and it is in the aur
2021-09-12 18:54:13	jelle	(which doesn't really help :p)
2021-09-12 18:54:13	ascor	https://pastebin.com/FEAjPBmk
2021-09-12 18:54:14	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-x1B.txt
2021-09-12 18:54:14	phrik	Title: Module vboxhost-6.1.26_OSE for kernel 5.13.15-hardened1-1-hardened (x86_64).Be - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-09-12 18:54:22	jelle	bin: gputest?
2021-09-12 18:54:42	NetSysFire	poprostumieciek: probably configurable via an extension. #gnome might know
2021-09-12 18:54:55	bin	jelle: maybe! ill look, i found the gpu section on the wiki. it mightve been glmark or basemark
2021-09-12 18:55:06	bin	ooh it couldve been gputest
2021-09-12 18:55:12	ascor	Could it be that I told the truth?
2021-09-12 18:55:13	Edu4rdSHL	ascor, that was not the command I send to you.
2021-09-12 18:55:23	Edu4rdSHL	And that confirm that you was wrong.
2021-09-12 18:55:25	poprostumieciek	NetSysFire: yeah i found something, it is called Vertical Overview
2021-09-12 18:55:45	Edu4rdSHL	You put 5.13.15-hardened1-1-hardened instead of 5.13.14-hardened1-1-hardened
2021-09-12 18:55:47	poprostumieciek	thanks, gonna install Arch very soon!
2021-09-12 18:55:49	coruja	poprostumieciek: but i think putting some more effort into configuring will be much easier than downgrading the gnome universe completely
2021-09-12 18:56:02	coruja	(if possible at all)
2021-09-12 18:56:16	ascor	I didn't tho
2021-09-12 18:56:29	poprostumieciek	coruja: yes, i see. i wanted to start coding with gtk4 so...
2021-09-12 18:56:36	ascor	Line 37
2021-09-12 18:56:49	ascor	[ascor@Midgard ~]$ sudo dkms remove vboxhost/6.1.26_OSE -k 5.13.14-hardened1-1-hardened
2021-09-12 18:56:54	ascor	That is the *exact* command you told me to
2021-09-12 18:56:57	ascor	What are you on about man
2021-09-12 18:57:11	ascor	I appreciate your help but what are we bugfixing here? Your trust issues?
2021-09-12 18:57:37	predicament	okay, update: NFS working with "exited" for nfs-server
2021-09-12 18:57:45	predicament	lmao
2021-09-12 18:57:47	predicament	oh my
2021-09-12 18:58:27	coruja	poprostumieciek: when installing arch, mind the fine installation guide, and good luck and enjoy then :)
2021-09-12 18:59:23	poprostumieciek	coruja: i installed arch couple moths ago on vm and i got scared by the very different look of gnome 40. i didnt like it then, but now there are much more extensions so i might give it a try!
2021-09-12 18:59:47	NetSysFire	also keep in mind that gnome 40 is not arch exclusive
2021-09-12 18:59:53	NetSysFire	theres many other DEs and WMs in the repos, too
2021-09-12 19:00:00	coruja	poprostumieciek: oh, i just thought you were a first timer
2021-09-12 19:00:04	bin	jelle: ill try that and glmark2. thank you and also thanks Edu4rdSHL 
2021-09-12 19:00:26	jelle	bin: good luck!
2021-09-12 19:00:41	bin	ty :)
2021-09-12 19:00:50	bin	this has a new 3060
2021-09-12 19:00:50	poprostumieciek	nah i already installed it like 3 times. i love arch because it doesnt have so much unnecessary bloat packages like ubuntu
2021-09-12 19:01:00	bin	the most powerful gpu ive had... probably ever. 
2021-09-12 19:01:22	Edu4rdSHL	ascor, your lack of abilities to follow simple instructions, you have mess up dkms somehow, have uninstalled the modules for the current kernel and did other things, then tried to run my command, that's why it failed because you simple removed the whole vboxhost/6.1.26_OSE tree from your system
2021-09-12 19:02:14	Edu4rdSHL	So, reinstall virtualbox-host-dkms again, then run the command.
2021-09-12 19:03:13	Edu4rdSHL	If you run `dkms remove nvidia/470.63.01 -k 5.13.14-hardened1-1-hardened` that will work and you will end only having the module installed for your current kernel.
2021-09-12 19:03:28	ascor	https://pastebin.com/iAGA4wbR
2021-09-12 19:03:29	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-x1Q.txt
2021-09-12 19:03:29	phrik	Title: [ascor@Midgard ~]$ sudo pacman -S virtualbox-host-dkmswarning: virtualbox-host - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-09-12 19:04:31	ascor	https://pastebin.com/KSCQRwVc
2021-09-12 19:04:32	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-x1j.txt
2021-09-12 19:04:32	phrik	Title: [ascor@Midgard ~]$ dkms statusnew-lg4ff/0.3.1.r10.g32c45a2, 5.13.15-hardened1- - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-09-12 19:05:39	Edu4rdSHL	ls /var/lib/dkms/vboxhost/6.1.26_OSE/
2021-09-12 19:06:06	ascor	5.13.14-hardened1-1-hardened  5.13.15-hardened1-1-hardened  source
2021-09-12 19:08:13	Edu4rdSHL	tree /var/lib/dkms/vboxhost/6.1.26_OSE/5.13.14-hardened1-1-hardened
2021-09-12 19:09:05	genericum	wrote myself a little wrapper for wpa_supplicant and a systemd unit that starts it at boot. systemctl status says connection successful but wpa_cli says otherwise. why?
2021-09-12 19:09:22	ascor	https://pastebin.com/p8fac7FY
2021-09-12 19:09:23	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-x1f.txt
2021-09-12 19:09:24	phrik	Title: tree /var/lib/dkms/vboxhost/6.1.26_OSE/5.13.14-hardened1-1-hardened/var/lib/dk - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-09-12 19:10:18	ramblebamble	genericum, dunno, but why not iwctl?
2021-09-12 19:11:30	Edu4rdSHL	ascor, remove the /var/lib/dkms/vboxhost/6.1.26_OSE/5.13.14-hardened1-1-hardened folder, that should make it dissapear from the dkms status output, also, what's the ooutput for `ls /usr/lib/modules/`
2021-09-12 19:11:31	Tom^	bin: unigine-heaven from aur :p
2021-09-12 19:11:42	genericum	ramblebamble: the new thing? thats  terrible 
2021-09-12 19:11:52	ascor	5.13.14-hardened1-1-hardened  5.13.15-hardened1-1-hardened  5.14.2-arch1-2
2021-09-12 19:13:10	ascor	That removed it from dkms status, great. Thank you.
2021-09-12 19:13:15	Edu4rdSHL	Well, you should remove the 5.13.14-hardened1-1-hardened from there as well, it looks like that at some point the installation/upgrade process was finished ungratefuly ot something. 
2021-09-12 19:14:23	Edu4rdSHL	Usually that's what dkms remove does, remove it from there and that's expected to work but I have no idea why it isn't working in this case}
2021-09-12 19:14:39	genericum	ramblebamble: tried it at some point didn't work back to wpa_supplicant 
2021-09-12 19:16:09	ascor	Hm. That worked for vbox but it seems like zenpower and nvidia still appear after deleting their respective 14 kernel folders
2021-09-12 19:16:15	bin	Tom^: ill check it out
2021-09-12 19:16:34	Edu4rdSHL	ascor, for these you should have used the dkms remove command first
2021-09-12 19:17:20	Tom^	bin: ive used it for years. however only uses opengl.
2021-09-12 19:17:24	Tom^	if that matters
2021-09-12 19:18:12	ramblebamble	genericum, iwctl is not that new, man pages say intel group 2013-2019
2021-09-12 19:18:45	ramblebamble	anyways, if you wanna stick with wpa_supplicant, you need to give more information, the service-file you wrote, the script it starts, etc.
2021-09-12 19:18:58	bin	Tom^: i dont think so ill try it :)
2021-09-12 19:24:58	ascor	Ah, I removed the wrong folder. I needed the driver number first.
2021-09-12 19:25:17	Edu4rdSHL	👁
2021-09-12 19:25:25	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-12 19:42:57	ascor	Curious because that doesn't appear to have fixed my problem. I still get a message saying pacman can't remove the modules when I try re-installing my kernel
2021-09-12 19:42:57	ascor	https://pastebin.com/8LkanM38
2021-09-12 19:42:57	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-x1U.txt
2021-09-12 19:42:57	phrik	Title: [ascor@Midgard ~]$ dkms statusnew-lg4ff/0.3.1.r10.g32c45a2, 5.13.15-hardened1- - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2021-09-12 19:42:57	ascor	dkms is clean now but pacman seems to have some trouble
2021-09-12 19:42:57	vd	is there a way with tcpdump to summarize the number of bytes being downloaded?
2021-09-12 19:42:57	Hello71	tcpdump is probably not the right tool
2021-09-12 19:42:57	vd	what would you use?
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2021-09-12 19:42:57	Hello71	something that doesn't require copying every single packet
2021-09-12 19:42:57	vd	I'm monitoring the traffic on port 8000 (local http server) and want to see how much data is being transferred during a specific operation
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2021-09-12 19:49:01	bin	jelle: i was thinking of geekbench
2021-09-12 19:56:11	deejayh_	anyone understand how to use secret-tool to lookup and remove an SMB credential?
2021-09-12 19:56:56	deejayh_	I'm trying to do it without using a GUI, but I don't understand the key value setup or how to use wildcards with it, even after reviewing the manual page
2021-09-12 20:01:55	thurstylark	deejayh_: probably better to use `smbpasswd -x`
2021-09-12 20:02:56	deejayh_	thurstylark: that works from the client side? I had no idea
2021-09-12 20:03:08	deejayh_	I always just assumed smbpasswd was for servers
2021-09-12 20:03:40	deejayh_	yea I don't have smbpasswd on the machine
2021-09-12 20:03:51	thurstylark	oh, yeah, that's what I thought you were trying to do
2021-09-12 20:03:55	deejayh_	the current, incorrect credentials are stored in my gnome-keyring
2021-09-12 20:04:04	deejayh_	I'm trying to open my share in Doplhin
2021-09-12 20:04:10	deejayh_	but it's claiming I have bad credentials
2021-09-12 20:04:20	deejayh_	So I'm trying to remove them so I can enter new ones.
2021-09-12 20:04:31	thurstylark	ahh, so you need help with gnome-keyring, not smb
2021-09-12 20:04:37	⚡ 	thurstylark is getting there
2021-09-12 20:05:07	thurstylark	using secret-tool makes a lot more sense now
2021-09-12 20:05:10	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-09-12 20:05:11	deejayh_	thurstylark: that's my fault, I originally said secret-tool, which is a tool used to modify gnome-keyring. Should have been more thorough
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2021-09-17 13:06:36	Namarrgon	!legacy
2021-09-17 13:06:38	phrik	http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html
2021-09-17 13:08:00	matt-maguire	normally it should work with the current driver (470.63.01)
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2021-09-17 13:12:30	roxlu	ok, I had some chats in other channels and someone said that it should be possible to use the intel gpu just for decoding/encoding and keep using my nvidia gpu as the primary
2021-09-17 13:12:45	Strykar	Namarrgon: it's definitely not legacy, you're prolly confusing it with the Quadro 400 from 2011. This is  the Quadro "P"400
2021-09-17 13:13:09	Namarrgon	if it's not on the legacy list then you use the regular "nvidia" driver
2021-09-17 13:13:16	matt-maguire	If you check nvidia website, they recommend 470.63.01 stable driver
2021-09-17 13:13:18	Strykar	thank you
2021-09-17 13:13:21	Namarrgon	why would it need a beta driver for such an old gpu?
2021-09-17 13:13:21	roxlu	so to get decoding working via intel I have to follow this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Hardware_video_acceleration#Intel I'm only a bit scared that after installing the intel driver it will break my system :# 
2021-09-17 13:13:23	phrik	Title: Hardware video acceleration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-17 13:13:56	Strykar	Namarrgon: the wiki suggested it might
2021-09-17 13:14:01	Namarrgon	where?
2021-09-17 13:14:18	Namarrgon	roxlu: at most it will break hw-accelerated de-/encoding, not the whole system
2021-09-17 13:14:35	Strykar	For GeForce 630-900, 10-20, and Quadro/Tesla/Tegra K-series cards and newer [NVE0, NV110 and newer family cards from around 2010 and later], install the nvidia package (for use with the linux kernel) or nvidia-lts (for use with the linux-lts kernel) package. If these packages do not work, nvidia-betaAUR may have a newer driver version that offers support.
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2021-09-17 13:14:53	teraflops	roxlu: it does not say to install intel driver but the libva things
2021-09-17 13:14:59	Namarrgon	Strykar: "If these pacakges do not work,"
2021-09-17 13:15:04	roxlu	Namarrgon: wouldn't it break my display too? I'm not sure if `pacman -S [inteldriver]` will also change my default driver for example
2021-09-17 13:15:25	Namarrgon	roxlu: these packages are not gpu drivers
2021-09-17 13:15:38	roxlu	ah! thanks I see that now
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2021-09-17 21:46:53	scourge	hello
2021-09-17 21:48:05	Namarrgon	hi
2021-09-17 21:51:06	dmc	hola
2021-09-17 22:00:11	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-17 22:12:24	baltazar	Hello71: well it's quite stupid actually, and if it were up to me I'd just have grub load my kernel and call it a day, but my school's admin wants it to be chainloaded so his config can be "generic"
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2021-09-18 09:38:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2021-09-18 08:35:02	kib	# The lists of programs to be executed are
2021-09-18 08:35:04	kib	https_prgs="/usr/X11R6/bin/netscape:XW /usr/bin/lynx:XT"
2021-09-18 08:35:11	kib	I feel like I've to edit these 2 lines
2021-09-18 08:35:27	kib	https://0x0.st/-3B7.sh
2021-09-18 08:40:30	kib	yes that works :D
2021-09-18 08:40:56	kib	I edited /bin/url_handler.sh to include firefox in it like so - https://0x0.st/-3Bh.sh
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2021-09-18 09:54:54	qin	hi, was wondering if anyone else is having issues with steam not working all of a sudden? loads up, but seems to be stuck in offline. 
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2021-09-18 09:56:03	thingfish	qin: seems fine here.  I know they were having issues yesterday, though.
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2021-09-18 09:56:47	qin	thingfish: may i ask what version you have? i have 1.0.0.72-1
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2021-09-18 09:57:48	thingfish	same
2021-09-18 09:57:51	qin	darn.
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2021-09-18 10:11:02	Betal	qin: did you try steam-native?
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2021-09-18 10:15:25	ponies	try the beta? 
2021-09-18 10:16:16	ponies	i mean, it could be your firewall or dns too? 
2021-09-18 10:16:43	qin	Betal: not tried, normally works without it. 
2021-09-18 10:16:50	qin	ponies: checked my firewall, and dns already.
2021-09-18 10:17:08	qin	am investigating now though, going to try steam beta, see if there is a difference
2021-09-18 10:17:36	qin	tried downgrading freetype2, as well, no luck D:
2021-09-18 10:24:55	qin	it normally always works.. no issues. which is why i was asking here if others had issues, cant just be me. but u never know
2021-09-18 10:24:55	qin	switching to beta helped.
2021-09-18 10:24:55	qin	seems to load everything properly now.
2021-09-18 10:24:55	ponies	qin: something FreeType 2 
2021-09-18 10:24:55	qin	i did disable hardware accel prior to this though, going to test to see what actually fixed it
2021-09-18 10:24:55	ponies	qin: i bet it didnt
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2021-09-18 10:24:55	qin	well, there where some X related errors in output for steam, we shall see.
2021-09-18 10:24:55	qin	yeah, seems irrelevant, did not fix ut (tried on a different host)
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2021-09-18 10:24:55	qin	switching this second host, to beta steam client now
2021-09-18 10:24:55	ponies	most likely a red herring
2021-09-18 10:24:55	ponies	just use the beta until steam catches up 
2021-09-18 10:24:55	qin	for sure
2021-09-18 10:24:55	qin	just wanted to make sure, switching to beta actually fixed this issue
2021-09-18 10:24:55	ponies	maybe ill put this on the wiki 
2021-09-18 10:24:55	qin	yep, beta client does it, thanks for the help 
2021-09-18 10:24:55	ponies	idk.. 
2021-09-18 10:24:55	ponies	np
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2021-09-18 10:25:08	qin	for the record, my steam client loaded fine, but any web elements, like friends list, or even the library/store where not rendering (was black) instead
2021-09-18 10:25:22	qin	also the client appeared in offline mode, and would not go to online, cheers.
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2021-09-18 10:32:28	Betal	qin: just use the -native version, it should works
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2021-09-18 10:34:53	Betal	-runtime used to be a black screen weeks ago, testing again and it is working for me
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2021-09-18 10:36:35	ponies	qin: this is a FreeType 2 problem iirc
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2021-09-18 10:37:24	qin	ponies: already tried downgrading freetype2, it did not help
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2021-09-18 10:37:30	ponies	dont do that
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2021-09-18 10:37:38	qin	Betal: thanks, will keep this in mind for future
2021-09-18 10:37:45	Betal	qin: are you in testing?
2021-09-18 10:37:55	qin	testing?
2021-09-18 10:38:00	Betal	testing repo
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2021-09-18 10:38:04	qin	no
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2021-09-18 10:39:14	qin	ponies: dont worry poni, i know how to downgrade packages safely, and maintain the system ;)
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2021-09-18 10:42:31	⚡ 	ponies symlinks qin to ~/home/
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2021-09-18 10:43:02	qin	~/home/ ? :D
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2021-09-18 10:43:15	qin	u have a home, within ur home!
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2021-09-18 18:14:48	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2021-09-18 18:14:49	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1364 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1363 normals)
2021-09-18 17:41:37	mingdao	!popcorn
2021-09-18 17:41:37	phrik	http://i.imgur.com/4ii4K.gif
2021-09-18 17:43:32	another|	h4rd3n3D recommended NM on your *installed* system. The ISO does, AFAIK, not have NM installed. 
2021-09-18 17:44:15	another|	and always read the current installation guide because things change
2021-09-18 17:45:01	thrice	It is curious that the iso swapped to iwd, instead of nm
2021-09-18 17:48:00	dostoyevsky2	I remember using wifi-menu in the beginning of 2020... felt a lot better than iwd.. but now I have switched everything over...
2021-09-18 17:48:53	nl6720	just because the iso changed its shipped packages does not mean you need to change things on your system(s)
2021-09-18 17:49:13	Namarrgon	the packages used by archiso are not a recommendation
2021-09-18 17:49:16	dostoyevsky2	yeah, I didn't realize that just the iso changed
2021-09-18 17:50:16	nl6720	IIRC, the change was actually to replace dhcpcd with systemd-networkd. the iwd thing just happened as a consequence
2021-09-18 17:54:13	dostoyevsky2	> GPU 0: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Laptop GPU // Free: 16383 MiB # I wasn't actually sure whether linux would work on this laptop, but seems great so far
2021-09-18 18:14:51	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-18 18:45:08	ricky26	Is there any decent way of dealing with stack alignment issues for really old executables with no source? (Other than I guess get a VM with a real old OS on it.)
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2021-09-18 19:43:19	Tazy	Is there a ping plotter for linux ?
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2021-09-18 19:43:44	colo	smokeping?
2021-09-18 19:44:18	Tazy	I'll look into that, cause mtr while useful isn't gonna help here, I need to get a better view of when the spike happens
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2021-09-18 19:56:23	mpan	`mtr` in curses mode also has two pages (switch with the ‘d’ key) that display a chart of RTT and packet loss. The length is limited to the width of the screen, though. You may also ask `mtr` to output raw information or interface `mtr-packet` directly from a script.
2021-09-18 19:57:50	Tazy	I want to see like at 14:00 request 34000 was 60 ms, and then 34001 was 61ms and then 34002 as 2ms, and then 34003 was 50ms 
2021-09-18 19:57:59	Tazy	but like graphed
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2021-09-18 20:40:24	tatsumaru	hey guys, if all my sensitive data is on secondary drives used just for data separate from the OS, should I encrypt both OS drive and data drives, or just data drives?
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2021-09-18 20:41:00	NetSysFire	depends on your threatmodel. are you afraid of your data drive getting stolen?
2021-09-18 20:41:16	NetSysFire	or are you afraid of someone breaking into your house and trying to get to that data
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2021-09-18 20:42:13	Tazy	so smokeping is running but I don't see any results for my google dns entry only the localhost one
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2021-09-18 20:42:41	tatsumaru	NetSysFire aren't these technically identical?
2021-09-18 20:42:47	NetSysFire	a bit yeah
2021-09-18 20:42:58	NetSysFire	but if only the data drive gets stolen its usually fine™
2021-09-18 20:43:37	NetSysFire	so what are you protecting yourself from?
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2021-09-18 20:44:31	Tamwyn	Also, what do you hope to gain from the latter?
2021-09-18 20:45:24	tatsumaru	I guess I just want to prevent unauthorized reading of sensitive business data, whether it's by a disgruntled employee or a corporate spy
2021-09-18 20:45:50	NetSysFire	!give tatsumaru xkcd security
2021-09-18 20:45:51	phrik	tatsumaru: Security - XKCD <https://xkcd.com/538/>
2021-09-18 20:46:17	NetSysFire	not encrypting your system makes it trivial to get into your data drive if the attacker has access to it
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2021-09-18 20:47:17	tatsumaru	how would the attacker get into the data drive if the data drive is encrypted?
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2021-09-18 20:47:47	NetSysFire	if the attacker has access to your OS, they can simply insert malware which captures the passphrase to your data drive
2021-09-18 20:48:22	tatsumaru	good point
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2021-09-18 20:48:25	obby	hi
2021-09-18 20:48:45	obby	tatsumaru: encrypt all your partitions
2021-09-18 20:48:51	obby	including boot unless ur really lazy
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2021-09-18 20:49:17	tatsumaru	is it a bad idea to use the same password for all my encrypted partitions?
2021-09-18 20:49:23	obby	haha obivously 
2021-09-18 20:49:29	obby	obviously
2021-09-18 20:49:48	rcf	tatsumaru: entirely sensible. 
2021-09-18 20:49:50	⚡ 	teraflops encrypts his brain
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2021-09-18 20:50:10	rcf	tatsumaru: you're going to use a much better password if there is only one. 
2021-09-18 20:50:10	obby	i admit i had some really poor password reuse until i switched over to a password manager
2021-09-18 20:50:17	obby	even now its not perfect but :)
2021-09-18 20:50:33	jelle	no, need to encrypt /boot
2021-09-18 20:50:34	NetSysFire	you can also use a keyfile
2021-09-18 20:50:35	teraflops	do not use a passwd, problem solved
2021-09-18 20:50:49	NetSysFire	there is secureboot but its all depending on your threatmodel at this point
2021-09-18 20:50:54	NetSysFire	it can be an absolute pain to setup
2021-09-18 20:50:57	rcf	Encrypting /boot breaks secureboot, which leaves you more vulnerable. 
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2021-09-18 20:51:02	jelle	hehe
2021-09-18 20:51:13	NetSysFire	both very painful
2021-09-18 20:51:14	teraflops	secureboot is more secure that encrypting boot imo
2021-09-18 20:51:19	teraflops	than^
2021-09-18 20:51:19	jelle	tatsumaru: what are you protecting against?
2021-09-18 20:51:21	tatsumaru	is secureboot that thing that you do with a separate usb drive?
2021-09-18 20:51:29	obby	I dont know how to make secure boot work seems like an absolute headache
2021-09-18 20:51:29	jelle	tatsumaru: no
2021-09-18 20:51:36	NetSysFire	jelle: they said everything from a disgruntled employee or corporate spy
2021-09-18 20:51:42	jelle	obby: it is easy on fedora :p
2021-09-18 20:52:02	NetSysFire	obby: sbctl :p
2021-09-18 20:52:06	teraflops	it's not that hard on arch either
2021-09-18 20:52:09	bougyman	have y'all seen https://frame.work/ ?
2021-09-18 20:52:10	phrik	Title: Framework | Framework Laptop pre-orders are now open (at frame.work)
2021-09-18 20:52:17	rcf	tatsumaru: it enforces signing of the kernel, preventing modification. 
2021-09-18 20:52:20	bougyman	I just ordered one (they have a limit of 1)
2021-09-18 20:52:25	bougyman	I wish I could order more!
2021-09-18 20:52:38	jelle	NetSysFire: then I still think it's overthinking :p
2021-09-18 20:52:58	obby	as of right now i just have LUKS setup on my / but not my /boot
2021-09-18 20:53:03	obby	its just a personal PC tho
2021-09-18 20:53:18	bougyman	My primary driver is a System76 with FDR
2021-09-18 20:53:20	rcf	If you don't actually care it's purely security theatre. 
2021-09-18 20:53:21	bougyman	8fde
2021-09-18 20:53:25	bougyman	damnit I can't type
2021-09-18 20:53:27	bougyman	FDE
2021-09-18 20:53:31	tatsumaru	do you need to encrypt /boot to get the crypt prompt before OS boot?
2021-09-18 20:53:36	obby	No
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2021-09-18 20:53:44	obby	the crypt prompt is handled by ur boot loader
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2021-09-18 20:53:51	bougyman	Why would you need to encrypt /boot?
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2021-09-18 20:53:56	obby	id recommend playing around a bit more with Grub to help ur understadning
2021-09-18 20:53:57	jelle	tatsumaru: I'd advice against encrypting /boot :-)
2021-09-18 20:53:58	bougyman	Do you hold something secret there?
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2021-09-18 20:54:20	tatsumaru	I am just asking since someone recommended it
2021-09-18 20:54:24	jelle	if you are so scared people are going to mess with your /boot, you should be more scared about getting hacked by phising 
2021-09-18 20:54:32	bougyman	my /boot is just my kernel and initramfs
2021-09-18 20:54:34	bougyman	neither are secret nor special.
2021-09-18 20:54:37	jelle	or other social engineering tricks
2021-09-18 20:54:38	NetSysFire	yeah
2021-09-18 20:54:41	Edu4rd	I will do a little spam here, sorry, but we are going to do great things with https://twitter.com/nspawnorg :D
2021-09-18 20:54:47	Hydragyrum	encrypted /boot is a pain, there are reasons to do so (evil maid attack for instance), but all in all...
2021-09-18 20:55:07	NetSysFire	jelle: hey sorry but i need your arch linux password because uhhh your mother requested it
2021-09-18 20:55:07	jelle	Edu4rd: have you heard of this thing called podman?
2021-09-18 20:55:12	Tamwyn	bougyman: the top secret compile config
2021-09-18 20:55:17	bougyman	<3 podman
2021-09-18 20:55:18	obby	hey tatsumaru 
2021-09-18 20:55:19	jelle	NetSysFire: sure
2021-09-18 20:55:23	obby	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/System_configuration#Using_encrypt_hook
2021-09-18 20:55:24	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/System configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-18 20:55:32	obby	use grub encrypt hook
2021-09-18 20:55:39	rcf	bougyman: much like https, the point is more to prevent modification than keep it secret. Though encrypting /boot on x86 actually weakens protections so there is literally zero reason to do it 
2021-09-18 20:55:40	Edu4rd	jelle, yes but I dont like docker/containerd in general :p
2021-09-18 20:55:43	jelle	obby: pls stop giving bad advice :)
2021-09-18 20:55:50	Edu4rd	I have to work with this but...
2021-09-18 20:55:54	bougyman	rcf: exactly.
2021-09-18 20:56:06	obby	jelle: how is using grub to enter ur passphrase bad advice
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2021-09-18 20:56:19	jelle	obby: encrypting your /boot is :)
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2021-09-18 20:56:49	obby	jelle: he asked if he had to encrypt /boot to get the prompt to decrypt his device which means he didnt understand how the prompt was being created
2021-09-18 20:56:50	NetSysFire	encrypting your /boot != encrypting your / ("entering the passphrase")
2021-09-18 20:57:04	⚡ 	jelle is out
2021-09-18 20:57:04	obby	and jelle saying thats bad advice is disingenuious imo
2021-09-18 20:57:28	bougyman	rcf: so long as you have an initramfs hook that checks the kernel's signature, I see absolutely zero reason to encrypt /
2021-09-18 20:57:28	jelle	obby: I'm out, security folks are not for me :)
2021-09-18 20:57:33	bougyman	er /boot
2021-09-18 20:57:35	jelle	or well "security" :p
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2021-09-18 20:58:10	⚡ 	mongy runs with an enc /boot and /.  no idea why I did /boot as well, other than, I could.
2021-09-18 20:58:19	tatsumaru	if I also backup my encrypted data drives in the cloud does that defeat the purpose?
2021-09-18 20:58:31	NetSysFire	only if the backup is unencrypted
2021-09-18 20:58:35	rcf	bougyman: if they can modify your kernel your initramfs cannot be trusted. An increasingly-ridiculous threat model, but that is where most encryption discussions end up 
2021-09-18 20:58:43	Hydragyrum	not if the backups are encrypted too
2021-09-18 20:58:58	⚡ 	NetSysFire hits rcf with a wrench to get the passphrase
2021-09-18 20:59:02	jelle	tatsumaru: if you are serious about security, you need to make a up a threat model and a plan
2021-09-18 20:59:12	NetSysFire	which is why i asked you about your threatmodel
2021-09-18 20:59:48	obby	evil maid is coming to get us
2021-09-18 20:59:52	tatsumaru	jelle how can you predict your threat model in advance?
2021-09-18 21:00:10	tatsumaru	isn't it up to your attackers to come up with a threat model
2021-09-18 21:00:15	jelle	tatsumaru: no
2021-09-18 21:00:23	rcf	tatsumaru: if you don't have a threat model, you can't defend against anything and are wasting your time. 
2021-09-18 21:00:42	rcf	You must know what you are up against if you want to be able to justify even turning the machine on. 
2021-09-18 21:01:49	rcf	And I actually mean that somewhat-seriously: after the system is running, disk encryption's value as a security measure evaporates completely. 
2021-09-18 21:02:52	tatsumaru	well at the end of the day there's no perfect security, the whole idea is to just make things more difficult for problem-causers
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2021-09-18 21:03:37	NetSysFire	yes and it very much depends on your threat model
2021-09-18 21:03:39	rcf	Indeed. So you must optimize based on what you're actually worried about, and consider whether or not it is worthwhile to worry about any given attack. 
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2021-09-18 21:04:34	jelle	tatsumaru: lock your computer :)
2021-09-18 21:04:56	NetSysFire	the best defense against everything is throwing your computer into a volcano. that makes it very secure
2021-09-18 21:05:35	tatsumaru	NetSysFire maybe they can rearrange the atoms with a quantum replicator of some sort
2021-09-18 21:05:42	NetSysFire	maybe
2021-09-18 21:05:49	Tamwyn	NetSysFire: the cloud backups are still at risk
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2021-09-18 21:05:53	demize	Alternatively, make some thermite.
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2021-09-18 21:06:11	tatsumaru	the best way to stay secure is to stay mediocre
2021-09-18 21:06:18	NetSysFire	you can also put your device next to a toddler
2021-09-18 21:06:26	NetSysFire	that erases any data of it reliably and it cant be recovered
2021-09-18 21:06:29	rcf	NetSysFire: this actually exposes vulnerabilities 
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2021-09-18 21:06:33	NetSysFire	yeah
2021-09-18 21:06:37	NetSysFire	i remember that screenlocker bug
2021-09-18 21:06:39	drop	Just become a Mentat. Is hacking Mentats a thing in the Dune universe?
2021-09-18 21:06:42	demize	Unless the toddler is a Russian spy.
2021-09-18 21:06:46	tatsumaru	can babies decrypt drives?
2021-09-18 21:06:50	NetSysFire	yes
2021-09-18 21:06:52	rcf	NetSysFire: there has been more than one, as jwz is fond of ranting about. 
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2021-09-18 21:06:59	NetSysFire	yeah
2021-09-18 21:07:03	Gagis	proposed threat model that you actually see happen: former middle manager who has been hired by a competitor but someone forgot to remove their login credentials. will competitor know what your clients have been buying?
2021-09-18 21:07:09	NetSysFire	a cat is an excellent fuzzer
2021-09-18 21:07:36	obby	<3
2021-09-18 21:07:39	Gagis	(yes, because every upper managers password is 1234, but hypothetically)
2021-09-18 21:08:29	NetSysFire	the worst thing is when i am in bed and have my laptop on my lap and the cat too and its fur touches the touchpad and constantly sends weird mouse events
2021-09-18 21:08:46	obby	i cleared the cmos on my servers motherboard and it erased my efi options been too lazy to fix it need motivation
2021-09-18 21:09:07	tatsumaru	NetSysFire let's create a startup for dna-sensitive touchpads which filter out cat dna
2021-09-18 21:09:20	NetSysFire	excellent idea
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2021-09-18 21:27:40	Steve37	Anyone here know what's going on with the package python-sqlalchemy? The version currently in community is very out of date (and flagged as such) and the newer version is in staging. Just wondering what's being staged and if there's an ETA on it arriving. I need some features that were introduced in the new version.
2021-09-18 21:28:12	thrice	staging is usually for rebuilds that need to happen all together
2021-09-18 21:28:46	thrice	you likely won't find an ETA, it's whenever the volunteer packager has time to updat.e  If you need it sooner, you could consider building it locally
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2021-09-18 21:31:07	Steve37	any ideas what the rebuild is for?
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2021-09-18 21:31:56	thrice	not sure, sorry.  This doesn't always capture rebuilds, but:  https://archlinux.org/todo/
2021-09-18 21:31:57	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Todo Lists (at archlinux.org)
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2021-09-18 21:32:11	Steve37	cool, will take a look
2021-09-18 21:32:57	Steve37	found it lol
2021-09-18 21:32:57	Steve37	https://archlinux.org/todo/python-sqlalchemy-update-to-14/
2021-09-18 21:33:00	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Todo: python-sqlalchemy update to 1.4 (at archlinux.org)
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2021-09-18 21:33:08	thrice	:)
2021-09-18 21:33:17	thrice	was going to say, it looks like it's up to date there
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2021-09-18 21:33:47	Steve37	not quite, 1.3 is still in community and 1.4 is in staging
2021-09-18 21:33:59	Steve37	i guess a 1.3 legacy package is also in staging for backcompat, but not everythings switched yet
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2021-09-18 21:34:02	thrice	sorry, I saw 1.4.23 in the (source) git repo
2021-09-18 21:34:58	Steve37	well i don't think i have any other of those packages, so i'll just go build 1.4 from src
2021-09-18 21:35:25	thrice	if that's the case, you should be able to use the PKGBUILD from git and build directly
2021-09-18 21:35:33	thrice	!asp
2021-09-18 21:35:33	phrik	The Arch Build System's younger, smarter cousin. Now available in extra/asp
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2021-09-18 21:36:23	Steve37	sweet
2021-09-18 21:37:32	Steve37	now to wait for verizon to restore my internet connection.....
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2021-09-18 21:38:02	jelle	Steve37: note that the new sqlalchemy is not compatible with everything
2021-09-18 21:38:12	Steve37	yeah, my problem is neither is the old
2021-09-18 21:38:43	Steve37	pacman -Qi says its not required by anything else
2021-09-18 21:38:45	Steve37	so i should be ok
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2021-09-18 21:39:56	ℹ 	Zelec9 es conocido ahora como Zelec
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2021-09-18 21:44:15	dostoyevsky2	my X is not starting and the reason is "No enabled display devices found" .. it seems like the laptop monitor is not connected to the laptop gpu... I wonder if that's another keyboard combo to connect the monitor to the gpu...
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2021-09-18 21:46:35	dostoyevsky2	Is there a command to see if my monitor is connected to the gpu, except starting Xorg and letting it freeze?
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2021-09-18 21:47:28	rcf	dostoyevsky2: check /sys/class/drm 
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2021-09-18 21:57:08	dostoyevsky2	does linux need a driver for the internal laptop display in graphics mode?
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2021-09-18 22:02:26	HEX0	dostoyevsky2: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg#Driver_installation
2021-09-18 22:02:27	phrik	Title: Xorg - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-09-18 22:03:12	dostoyevsky2	HEX0: Yeah, I installed the nvidia drivers
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2021-09-18 22:03:57	HEX0	dostoyevsky2: you can paste your Xorg log if someone is willing to troubleshoot nvidia
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2021-09-18 22:06:51	dostoyevsky2	Here is the section of the Xorg log where nvidia found the gpu-0 and then prints out the DFP devices which might be used to display graphics...but it doesn't detect the laptop screen, just some internal devices which have no display: https://paste.rs/2Xc
2021-09-18 22:07:21	HEX0	dostoyevsky2: why didn't you paste the full log
2021-09-18 22:07:28	dostoyevsky2	And then it ends with `Validated MetaModes: "NULL"' 
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2021-09-18 22:10:54	dostoyevsky2	https://paste.rs/Foq
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2021-09-18 22:17:04	dostoyevsky2	^ full log
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2021-09-18 22:33:50	HEX0	dostoyevsky2: can you also paste lspci -nnk and sudo journalctl -p 3 -xb
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2021-09-18 22:39:15	dostoyevsky2	lspci -nnk -> https://paste.rs/LLi // sudo journalctl -p 3 -xb -> https://paste.rs/6WR 
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2021-09-18 22:43:56	HEX0	interesting. integrated amd graphics and nvidia dedicated
2021-09-18 22:44:58	dostoyevsky2	Yeah... so when one googles for this problem often it is that it tries to use the wrong gpu... but I am using the right gpu it just can't find the display... maybe the laptop is too new
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2021-09-18 22:47:31	dostoyevsky2	On my other laptop which is also nvidia based I can see `NVIDIA(GPU-0): AU Optronics Corporation (DFP-3): connected' which is the internal display... but I can't find anything: `lspci -vvvQnnk | grep Optronics' 
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2021-09-18 22:48:55	HEX0	idk if optimus works with amd
2021-09-18 22:49:15	dostoyevsky2	am I using optimus?
2021-09-18 22:49:17	HEX0	I guess have a read at those
2021-09-18 22:49:34	HEX0	dostoyevsky2: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA_Optimus https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PRIME#Closed-source_drivers https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#Installation
2021-09-18 22:49:36	phrik	Title: NVIDIA Optimus - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-09-18 22:50:56	dostoyevsky2	HEX0: doesn't every intel/amd also come with an internal gpu these days?  Or is that a new technology for amd?
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2021-09-18 22:51:55	HEX0	dostoyevsky2: laptops yeah. but hybrid graphics tends to be a shitshow on linux. especiall with nvidia 
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2021-09-18 22:52:36	HEX0	mainly cause they're designed to work on windows tho
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2021-09-18 22:53:55	HEX0	maybe you could try blacklisting amdgpu or nvidia. really not sure
2021-09-18 22:55:44	Betal	what is the alternative for mp3gain? also no python-rgain ( https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=761847 )
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2021-09-19 10:17:06	charlie5	hi all ... i've recently installed ClamTk Virus Scanner ... it shows a few virii in firefox cache ...
2021-09-19 10:17:14	charlie5	/home/rod/.cache/mozilla/firefox/g3me6duq.default-release/cache2/entries/54A50CCDC1F77DBDFB14BFD5B7141511263D2A5A: PUA.Html.Exploit.CVE_2012_3684-2 FOUND
2021-09-19 10:17:14	charlie5	/home/rod/.cache/mozilla/firefox/g3me6duq.default-release/cache2/entries/8529E2D5C56495980E588E625490D2D445C4774E: PUA.Win.Exploit.CVE_2012_1461-1 FOUND
2021-09-19 10:17:57	charlie5	am I right in guessing these are only windows viruses and nothing to worry about on archlinux ?
2021-09-19 10:19:32	charlie5	there are also a few in /usr
2021-09-19 10:19:43	charlie5	just re-scanning to get the details
2021-09-19 10:20:50	mpan	Assuming by “viruses” you mean malware: they seem to not be Windows specifically. The CVEs mention Apple products and AVG antivirus. Whatever they are is, however, irrelevant: if they were deployed on your computer, they would be in the past, so you would already be infected. If you are not, there are nothing to worry about. Likely you have simply visited websites that spread them. 
2021-09-19 10:24:30	charlie5	ok, thanks ... i assume they are from websites i've visited ... i've seen no symptoms ... admittedly, i'm not sure i would notice symptoms, tbh
2021-09-19 10:49:17	mq^v	a noobish question regarding this issue: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/pacman#%22Failed_to_commit_transaction_(conflicting_files)%22_error
2021-09-19 10:49:19	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-19 10:51:43	mq^v	pacman refers to files in /usr/lib/<package>... instead of /var/lib/<package>... on my computer. Renaming the files in /urs/lib/... won't have the same effect as the ones instructed on the link above?
2021-09-19 10:52:24	sheep	you should probably use --overwrite for those files instead of renaming
2021-09-19 10:53:03	mq^v	sheep: why is it often advised agains it though?
2021-09-19 10:53:31	sheep	where is pacman referring to files in /usr/lib? Do you mean that you use /usr/lib/pacman instead of /var/lib/pacman?
2021-09-19 10:54:11	mq^v	sheep: no, it's /usr/lib/package-name/...
2021-09-19 10:54:30	sheep	which package is it?
2021-09-19 10:54:48	mq^v	python-cryptography
2021-09-19 10:55:07	sheep	if it's something that pacman needs to run then I would definitely use --overwrite instead of renaming, but pacman doesn't use this
2021-09-19 10:55:16	sheep	you can just remove the files
2021-09-19 10:55:30	sheep	don't just rename them or you'll have junk files laying around forever
2021-09-19 10:57:30	mq^v	idk these look like profound files to me
2021-09-19 10:58:01	sheep	just remove them. There's nothing in the base system that depends on them
2021-09-19 10:58:12	sheep	pacman is about to install new versions of them anyway
2021-09-19 10:59:04	mpan	Perhaps it would be wise to understand, how the files ended up there? Like… using a different package manager? Which, if still used, will later nuke/modify those files, breaking things?
2021-09-19 10:59:18	sheep	probably using pip as root
2021-09-19 10:59:40	mpan	Indeed
2021-09-19 10:59:41	mq^v	this package was installed by pacman
2021-09-19 10:59:49	mq^v	pretty sure
2021-09-19 10:59:56	mpan	Then how comes pacman doesn’t know about it?
2021-09-19 11:00:03	sheep	if these files came from pacman then you wouldn't get an error about conflicting files
2021-09-19 11:00:20	sheep	unless you were using packages from outside of arch's repositories
2021-09-19 11:00:33	mq^v	i once interrupted an system-update (Syc) and was having troubles with that package ever scince
2021-09-19 11:00:35	mpan	Perhaps you did something weird after they were installed by pacman. But I believe that should be addressed: to avoid the mistake in the future.
2021-09-19 11:00:51	sheep	interrupting an update could also cause this
2021-09-19 11:01:09	mpan	Oh, that is an explanation. So, as sheep said, you can delete them. And do not interrupt mid-update. 
2021-09-19 11:01:16	mpan	Unfortunately pacman is not atomic. :/
2021-09-19 11:01:24	mq^v	what's atomic?
2021-09-19 11:01:41	mpan	Smart word for “indivisible” ;)
2021-09-19 11:02:11	mpan	“Transactional” would probably be better here. Either the operation is completed in full or nothing is done at all. pacman can’t do that.
2021-09-19 11:02:30	mpan	(which is not exactly its fault; it would be more than cumbersome to implement properly)
2021-09-19 11:03:33	mq^v	Would pacman -S --overwrite have the same effect (and Syu afterwards)?
2021-09-19 11:04:29	mpan	You would need to specify what to override. Since it’s contained in one directory, you may simply remove it. That will also get rid of any extra files.
2021-09-19 11:05:11	mq^v	ok then. thanks for the help
2021-09-19 11:06:16	mpan	Follow sheep’s advice. My interruption was meant to find the cause of the issue to avoid the problem in the future, not to solve that particular instance of the borkage.
2021-09-19 11:17:16	mq^v	damn. Pacman stalls at upgrading llvm-libs [---...---] 0% for about 2 min now
2021-09-19 11:17:33	mq^v	no nvm it works
2021-09-19 11:17:41	mpan	Perhaps heavy I/O.
2021-09-19 11:17:43	mpan	Oh, nvm then.
2021-09-19 11:24:20	mq^v	The update worked fine. I know i'll have to do some maintenance sooner or later but i am short on time rn. But thanks for the assistence
2021-09-19 11:48:56	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-19 16:50:25	deltasquared	dostoyevsky2: xorg's complaints about displays can just be driver issues. that can be misleading.
2021-09-19 16:50:37	deltasquared	specifically, if the error was actually "no screens found"
2021-09-19 16:50:58	deltasquared	(xorg terminology is misleading here)
2021-09-19 16:52:10	dostoyevsky2	> [ 10210.367] NVIDIA(0): No enabled display devices found
2021-09-19 16:53:05	dostoyevsky2	And `nvidia-xconfig --query-gpu-info' would also show `Number of Display Devices: 0'
2021-09-19 16:53:49	deltasquared	interesting. and your discovered firmware setting changes this?
2021-09-19 16:54:09	deltasquared	(can't rule out it trying to do something windows specific, sadly)
2021-09-19 16:55:31	dostoyevsky2	deltasquared: yeah, now I see `[   142.028] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): BOE Technology Group Co., Ltd (DFP-3): connected' and `[   142.030] (II) NVIDIA(0): Validated MetaModes: "DFP-3:nvidia-auto-select"'  
2021-09-19 16:58:56	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-09-19 17:00:50	deltasquared	dostoyevsky2: interesting. it may be that the hybrid graphics options in your firmware are a way to tell windows specifically to do what is expected. last I checked linux AFAIK generally figures this on it's own and just requires both gpus be visible "normally".
2021-09-19 17:01:15	ℹ 	bklshp es conocido ahora como kirk781
2021-09-19 17:01:44	dostoyevsky2	deltasquared: I wonder if hybrid here just means that you use the gpu which is builtin on the cpu
2021-09-19 17:02:40	deltasquared	dostoyevsky2: actually I suspect it may be interfering with what is considered the primary gpu, but that is wild speculation.
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2021-09-19 17:03:02	deltasquared	can you see two gpus in your lspci output if you unblacklist amdgpu out of interest?
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2021-09-19 17:03:41	dostoyevsky2	deltasquared: https://paste.rs/LLi
2021-09-19 17:03:44	deltasquared	(also, looks like nvidia supports DRM_PRIME now, that's cool. that's what I was using before.)
2021-09-19 17:04:55	deltasquared	dostoyevsky2: I recall you saying you had blacklisted amdgpu (somehow), looks like you only have the nvidia card for now.
2021-09-19 17:05:23	dostoyevsky2	> Kernel modules: amdgpu
2021-09-19 17:05:27	deltasquared	... huh.
2021-09-19 17:05:36	dostoyevsky2	deltasquared: I unblacklisted it again
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2021-09-19 17:06:06	deltasquared	hmmmmm
2021-09-19 17:06:18	deltasquared	getting a bit out of my depth, that is puzzling
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2021-09-19 17:07:04	deltasquared	I will have to leave it there myself, ask back here for help from anyone if you run into any more problems. I got stuff to do.
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2021-09-19 17:48:38	DF32	I need to copy some files from Mac to an external hard drive or ssd and paste them in Arch. Besides specific Mac files (like Pages) that are not compatibale do I need to worry about any other thing? Like filesystem compatibility or that doesn't matter here?
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2021-09-19 18:00:55	kinrar	Nothing special to worry about in most cases, copying from one fs to another one should not be an issue unless you require some very specific features
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2021-09-19 18:02:29	CyberShadow	Maybe lots of .DS_Store files which will be useless on every other OS
2021-09-19 18:03:02	kinrar	yup, useless but not worrying at least
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2021-09-19 18:03:50	CyberShadow	After switching from pulseaudio to pipewire, mpv sometimes has no sound until I pause/unpause, anyone else experienced this?
2021-09-19 18:04:12	CyberShadow	mpv seems to be going through pipewire-pulse
2021-09-19 18:04:28	CyberShadow	no sound on startup*
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2021-09-19 18:04:29	DF32	Thanks, was in doubt since I saw something that Mac doesn't support ext4. But probably that doesn't apply in this situations
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2021-09-19 18:05:31	CyberShadow	Yeah, the external hard drive / SSD that you will plug in the macOS machine needs to be formatted with a filesystem that macOS understands. That only applies if you formatted it yourself of course
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2021-09-19 18:06:44	myceliumD	Hello. How do I stop SDDM showing americam flag when all my locale setting are UK. Had a google but cant find the answer (that has worked)
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2021-09-19 18:07:39	CyberShadow	IDK SDDM but what do you see if you run `locale` in a terminal?
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2021-09-19 18:14:54	DF32	CyberShadow Hmm, probably ExFat or Fat32 for compatibility between both. Or copy/paste in terminal...
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2021-09-19 18:16:24	CyberShadow	I think all major operating systems now support UDF, which is pretty featureful (at least compared to exFAT), and not patent-encumbered
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2021-09-19 18:20:45	DF32	Thanks, will have a look into that
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2021-09-19 18:33:10	dostoyevsky2	Does yay have a logfile where it logs the packages one installed using yay?
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2021-09-19 18:34:45	Namarrgon	does it have a manual?
2021-09-19 18:35:23	teraflops	dostoyevsky2: pacman installs the packages, not yay
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2021-09-19 18:39:08	techvio	yay also installs packages (pacman wrapper to be specific)
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2021-09-19 18:39:48	Namarrgon	if it only wraps pacman and doesn't use libalpm directly then pacman is installing the packages
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2021-09-19 18:41:55	CyberShadow	libalpm installs the packages. Also, the user installs the packages. It is not wrong to say either, IMO :)
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2021-09-19 18:43:17	Namarrgon	do you want pacman's logs, yay's logs or meat-wrapper-dostoyevsky2's logs?
2021-09-19 18:44:07	CyberShadow	Yes
2021-09-19 18:44:13	CyberShadow	Whichever keeps a log will work, I suppose
2021-09-19 18:44:32	CyberShadow	It is not necessarily tied to the abstraction level
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2021-09-19 18:44:45	dostoyevsky2	in the manpage they mention `$HOME/.cache/yay/<package>'  it seems that this would be the packages for which I used "yay -S <package>"
2021-09-19 18:45:02	CyberShadow	We can probably deduce that dostoyevsky2 doesn't keep a journal of the packages they installed though
2021-09-19 18:45:23	Namarrgon	apparently not
2021-09-19 18:46:45	CyberShadow	So the answer to the original question seems to be "no"
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2021-09-19 18:47:00	CyberShadow	but it's possible to collect a list of foreign packages, if that answers the same underlying question
2021-09-19 18:48:52	kib	I use dwm and xfce4-clipman-plugin as my clipboard manager. Very often when i press my keybinding to open "xfce4-clipman-history" it keeps saying that the daemon is not running, I have to manually start it every time which is an annoyance. How do I prevent xfce4-clipman from not dying ? I start it with "xfce4-clipman &" in my .xinitrc
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2021-09-19 18:49:20	CyberShadow	Maybe it dies occasionally
2021-09-19 18:49:23	kib	strangely enough this problem doesn't exist in i3 and I'd like to know why.
2021-09-19 18:49:34	CyberShadow	Run it in a terminal and observe what happens when it stops working again
2021-09-19 18:49:47	kib	CyberShadow: great idea.
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2021-09-19 18:50:48	kib	CyberShadow: https://0x0.st/-3pv.txt right off the bat
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2021-09-19 18:51:03	kib	it's running in the bg though and my keybinding works too.
2021-09-19 18:51:31	CyberShadow	I don't know what those mean, not a GNOME developer
2021-09-19 18:51:45	kib	woah it just crashed!!
2021-09-19 18:51:46	kib	https://0x0.st/-3p3.txt
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2021-09-19 18:53:57	CyberShadow	Maybe it's due to some problem with the notification icon? I recall that part of the desktop being troublesome
2021-09-19 18:54:19	CyberShadow	Lots of results on the web, check there
2021-09-19 18:54:47	kib	CyberShadow: yeah I am searching on ddg rn 
2021-09-19 18:55:02	kib	not really understanding them though :( maybe I should consider some other clipboard manager?
2021-09-19 18:55:20	CyberShadow	I use CopyQ, it's mostly OK
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2021-09-19 18:55:48	CyberShadow	Qt has some trouble with big clipboards, like big images like screenshots
2021-09-19 18:56:09	kib	yeah I need that :(
2021-09-19 18:56:26	CyberShadow	Do you need to store them in the clipboard history?
2021-09-19 18:56:34	kib	yes ofc
2021-09-19 18:56:53	kib	that's how I can paste a ss and then log and then another ss to someone else or something
2021-09-19 18:57:33	CyberShadow	I made my Print Screen key write directly to disk, and then just put the path to the file into the clipboard. Much faster and more efficient, and, in many applications you can paste it as if it was an actual image in the clipboard.
2021-09-19 18:57:49	CyberShadow	printf 'file://%s\n' "$fn" | xclip -selection clipboard -in -target text/uri-list
2021-09-19 18:58:34	kib	i sorta do that
2021-09-19 18:58:52	kib	{Print,shift+Print}
2021-09-19 18:58:54	kib	 $HOME/.local/bin/{screenshot,screenshot-part}
2021-09-19 18:59:02	kib	oh wait I should send those actually 1 sec
2021-09-19 18:59:19	kib	https://0x0.st/-3p6.sh
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2021-09-19 19:02:29	CyberShadow	myceliumD: Did you run locale-gen (as root) after setting the locale?
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2021-09-19 19:03:38	lucenera	!paste
2021-09-19 19:03:39	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2021-09-19 19:10:32	foxes	what makes github gist better than paste.ubuntu.com?
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2021-09-19 19:10:32	CyberShadow	You can clone a gist
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2021-09-19 19:10:33	CyberShadow	(I don't know why paste.ubuntu.com is discouraged)
2021-09-19 19:10:33	◣	qbt (~edun@user/edun) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2021-09-19 19:10:33	CyberShadow	Oh, it's because they require login even to VIEW pastes.
2021-09-19 19:10:33	susi	do they really?
2021-09-19 19:10:33	CyberShadow	Oh, maybe only the raw version.
2021-09-19 19:10:33	susi	they require login to paste, but to view...?
2021-09-19 19:10:33	CyberShadow	I guess to prevent people from using them as a CDN.
2021-09-19 19:10:41	CyberShadow	That still prevents curl-ing the raw version in order to grep it etc.
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2021-09-19 19:11:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2021-09-19 19:11:07	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1361 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1360 normals)
2021-09-19 19:11:09	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-19 19:12:18	susi	pastebin.com lets you login with facebook, and yet it's not encouraged :/
2021-09-19 19:12:32	susi	it has also some good features you don't find from 0x0.st!
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2021-09-19 19:12:54	CyberShadow	Er, like the ads? :)
2021-09-19 19:13:22	mingdao	Or the javascript?
2021-09-19 19:13:26	teraflops	having a FB account should be mandatory ;)
2021-09-19 19:13:29	mingdao	Moar of that is just what YOU need.
2021-09-19 19:13:30	susi	all those and more
2021-09-19 19:13:34	◣	srv (~cmd@user/srv) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2021-09-19 19:13:40	kib	ok clipmenu is very interesting
2021-09-19 19:13:48	CyberShadow	I miss Ditto
2021-09-19 19:14:00	kib	0x0.st is the best pastebin I've ever used
2021-09-19 19:14:05	mingdao	What about the ability to contact mia and get a paste removed?  You don't get that with any of those others listed.
2021-09-19 19:14:10	mingdao	kib: ack
2021-09-19 19:14:21	mingdao	Other than techfix.me ;)
2021-09-19 19:14:23	kib	https://0x0.st/-3pG.sh this script makes it even better. I got it from this room
2021-09-19 19:14:50	mingdao	kib: Your https://0x0.st/-3p6.sh ?  You need something added to that to 'make it work'.
2021-09-19 19:15:02	teraflops	why dealing with that when you can use git to manage pastes
2021-09-19 19:15:54	mingdao	teraflops: explain
2021-09-19 19:15:57	CyberShadow	You do need to get through quite a bit of JS to create a GitHub account
2021-09-19 19:16:03	mingdao	git to and from where?
2021-09-19 19:16:14	teraflops	gisthub?
2021-09-19 19:16:28	mingdao	Requires an account.  0x0.st does not.
2021-09-19 19:16:42	teraflops	not only pastes btw as in https://gist.github.com/prietus/bb36a0d4b931b3f0975fd56f66791f76/raw/d23fc54bb9ac1632681face761db29b3723fb55f/JKTE.png
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2021-09-19 19:16:58	kib	mingdao: wdym? I just "pb -f file" or "stdin | pb" and voila.
2021-09-19 19:16:59	mingdao	!0x0.st
2021-09-19 19:16:59	phrik	mingdao: BLEEP BLOOP
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2021-09-19 19:18:41	teraflops	mingdao: true, but I bet a great percentage of people in here have git{lab,hub} account
2021-09-19 19:18:44	◣	Jenmin (~Jenmin@111.225.67.23) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2021-09-19 19:19:50	mingdao	teraflops: I believe posting to the internet without an account is better than with one, that's all.
2021-09-19 19:20:04	mingdao	!opinions
2021-09-19 19:20:04	phrik	opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they're always full of shit
2021-09-19 19:20:10	teraflops	heh
2021-09-19 19:20:12	kib	teraflops: what if some people self host gitea or something? or the git which had hut in it.
2021-09-19 19:20:22	teraflops	!🐐
2021-09-19 19:20:22	phrik	https://i.imgur.com/263enxT.jpg
2021-09-19 19:20:30	CyberShadow	Just self-host a pastebin then
2021-09-19 19:20:46	teraflops	I miss my pb instance
2021-09-19 19:20:56	teraflops	pbpt ot whatever it was called
2021-09-19 19:21:09	teraflops	or^
2021-09-19 19:21:26	kib	lol whatever floates your goat
2021-09-19 19:21:27	mingdao	kib: Explain how your https://0x0.st/-3p6.sh  works.
2021-09-19 19:21:40	mingdao	tin cans kib 
2021-09-19 19:21:48	kib	mingdao: that's the thing I have no freaking clue, someone sent it, i copy pasted and that's it ;D
2021-09-19 19:22:31	CyberShadow	What is unclear about it?
2021-09-19 19:22:44	mingdao	kib: https://0x0.st/-3ph.txt
2021-09-19 19:23:19	kib	mingdao: pretty much ;D
2021-09-19 19:23:35	kib	CyberShadow: I haven't bothered breaking it down, I treat it like I treat pipewire or xorg ;D
2021-09-19 19:23:39	kib	or firefox
2021-09-19 19:24:04	CyberShadow	man maim tee xclip # :P
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2021-09-19 19:24:25	teraflops	wow I still use xclip :P
2021-09-19 19:24:34	CyberShadow	What else would you use?
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2021-09-19 19:24:49	teraflops	idk all these fancy stuff lol
2021-09-19 19:25:02	kib	CyberShadow: :D
2021-09-19 19:25:04	mingdao	kib: OIC; extra steps https://0x0.st/-3pF.png ... you need to give it a file you already created.
2021-09-19 19:25:12	kib	mingdao: it takes stdin
2021-09-19 19:26:36	mingdao	kib: How do you use it and make a screenshot like https://gist.githubusercontent.com/prietus/bb36a0d4b931b3f0975fd56f66791f76/raw/d23fc54bb9ac1632681face761db29b3723fb55f/JKTE.png in one step with the script?
2021-09-19 19:26:55	kib	mingdao: ah yes screenshots require the -f :D
2021-09-19 19:27:05	kib	i cd into ~/pics/ss and then pb -f <file>
2021-09-19 19:27:13	CyberShadow	I think you're talking about different scripts
2021-09-19 19:27:22	◣	tizef (~tyzef@202.153.81.147) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2021-09-19 19:27:32	thrice	it would be copied to the buffer, so you could ctl+v to a site (like imgur) that supports it
2021-09-19 19:27:33	teraflops	mingdao: it was me
2021-09-19 19:27:36	teraflops	heh
2021-09-19 19:27:52	CyberShadow	[2021-09-19 17:21:27.123] <mingdao> kib: Explain how your https://0x0.st/-3p6.sh  works.
2021-09-19 19:27:52	CyberShadow	Did you mean to ask about https://0x0.st/-3pG.sh ?
2021-09-19 19:28:18	mingdao	teraflops: I thought kib said his thing with xclip was supposed to either pastebin a file or take a screenshot _and_ pastebin it.
2021-09-19 19:28:23	mingdao	Never used xclip.
2021-09-19 19:28:24	kib	shite
2021-09-19 19:28:38	kib	I meant my script for uploading stuff to 0x0.st
2021-09-19 19:28:42	kib	that's what I was talking about
2021-09-19 19:29:00	mingdao	kib: Easier than that, eh?
2021-09-19 19:29:24	kib	tfw confused G with 6...
2021-09-19 19:29:29	teraflops	mingdao: https://gitlab.com/teraflops/dotfiles/-/blob/master/.local/bin/gistshot
2021-09-19 19:29:30	phrik	Title: .local/bin/gistshot · master · teraflops / dotfiles · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
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2021-09-19 19:29:57	CyberShadow	Wait. That's horrible
2021-09-19 19:30:02	CyberShadow	How big is that git repository
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2021-09-19 19:30:34	teraflops	why do you care?
2021-09-19 19:31:12	◣	danisztls (~weechat@user/danisztls) ha salido (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2021-09-19 19:31:13	CyberShadow	That's just octocat abuse, lol
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2021-09-19 19:32:04	CyberShadow	But, https://gist.github.com/prietus/bb36a0d4b931b3f0975fd56f66791f76/ has a single file in it
2021-09-19 19:32:05	teraflops	CyberShadow: open an issue on the repo or just stfu
2021-09-19 19:32:24	CyberShadow	Wow, touchy :)
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2021-09-19 19:33:44	mingdao	yeah
2021-09-19 19:34:34	CyberShadow	By itself git isn't designed to store binary blobs like this, in fact people have tried to solve this outside git for a long time using LFS etc. Same goes for large directory listings, that probably will lead to O(n^2) performance or worse in at least a few places
2021-09-19 19:35:23	Gagis	binary on git is absolutely heretical
2021-09-19 19:35:43	CyberShadow	Also I hope this won't lead to GitHub noticing at some point that many people are using the service for non-FOSS stuff and start adding quotas or other limitations like they had to do with GH Actions
2021-09-19 19:36:53	⚡ 	CyberShadow uses gist for throw-away mini-projects that don't deserve their own repo on github.com and would be a bit sad if that went away
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2021-09-19 19:39:23	aguitel	have 2 hd , in one boot with arch , and the second i get other os whn try to boot other os frm second hd kernel panic occours 
2021-09-19 19:39:56	aguitel	sorry for my bad english
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2021-09-19 19:44:24	Namarrgon	aguitel: what are you trying to boot from which bootloader?
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2021-09-19 19:45:58	aguitel	try to boot manjaro ( are in second hd ) but arch are in first hd 
2021-09-19 19:46:24	aguitel	grub menu form arch are in first hd
2021-09-19 19:46:40	Namarrgon	are you using arch's or manjaro's grub to boot the OS?
2021-09-19 19:46:54	aguitel	arch
2021-09-19 19:47:02	Namarrgon	how did you add the manjaro entry?
2021-09-19 19:47:39	aguitel	running this :sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2021-09-19 19:47:49	Namarrgon	so you used os-prober?
2021-09-19 19:47:55	aguitel	yes
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2021-09-19 19:48:05	Namarrgon	post your grub.cfg
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2021-09-19 19:50:41	aguitel	Namarrgon: where ?
2021-09-19 19:50:58	Namarrgon	!ix
2021-09-19 19:50:59	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
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2021-09-19 19:59:16	aguitel	Namarrgon: http://pastie.org/p/01MFLzEhXA24NuOvOWTjYX
2021-09-19 19:59:18	phrik	Title: Pastie (at pastie.org)
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2021-09-19 20:00:53	Namarrgon	osprober failed to add the real initramfs to the manjaro entry
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2021-09-19 20:01:33	Namarrgon	the fallback entry has it and it should boot but there osprober failed to add the amd-ucode.img initrfd
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2021-09-19 20:05:08	aguitel	Namarrgon: how fix it
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2021-09-19 20:05:25	Namarrgon	don't use osprober
2021-09-19 20:06:14	aguitel	Namarrgon: if i do , no other os appears in menu
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2021-09-19 20:08:10	aguitel	in this case only arch appears in grub menu
2021-09-19 20:08:52	Namarrgon	since you use uefi you could just select each distro's bootloader from the firmware bootmenu
2021-09-19 20:09:14	Namarrgon	if you use debian's grub then it won't detect arch or manjar
2021-09-19 20:09:26	aguitel	but this is not uefi 
2021-09-19 20:09:27	Namarrgon	manjaro's might detect both, but you'd have to test
2021-09-19 20:09:37	Namarrgon	does the hardware not support uefi?
2021-09-19 20:09:43	aguitel	Namarrgon: manjaro detect yes
2021-09-19 20:09:52	Namarrgon	then use manjaro's grub
2021-09-19 20:10:10	aguitel	Namarrgon: ok
2021-09-19 20:10:24	frojnd	Hi there.
2021-09-19 20:10:57	frojnd	I wanted to try bluetooth earpods and while starting bluetooth service and running lsusb or dmesg I found out I have no bluetooth device?
2021-09-19 20:11:08	frojnd	At least I don't see it
2021-09-19 20:11:17	Namarrgon	is this a laptop?
2021-09-19 20:11:24	frojnd	yes
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2021-09-19 20:11:33	Namarrgon	is the bt device enabled in the firmware?
2021-09-19 20:13:24	frojnd	Which firmware?
2021-09-19 20:13:34	Namarrgon	uefi, most likely
2021-09-19 20:14:18	frojnd	Err don't know let me poweroff and check
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2021-09-19 20:17:59	nergar	my system sometimes doesn't resume from sleep state.
2021-09-19 20:18:00	vd	hi all -- if "a.txt" is a symlink to "b.txt", how can I have cp a.txt dir/ result in dir/b.txt instead of dir/a.txt? (i.e. I want the copied file be named after the target file, not the symlink name)
2021-09-19 20:18:24	nergar	is there anything else I should check besides journalctl?
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2021-09-19 20:26:35	frojnd	Namarrgon: yeah, Bluetooth is enabled under security -> i/o devices
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2021-09-19 20:27:19	Namarrgon	which chipset is it?
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2021-09-19 20:28:46	Namarrgon	vd: explicitly name the target
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2021-09-19 20:30:23	frojnd	Namarrgon: not sure,... but other says it's broadcom? https://github.com/vgist/thinkpad-x230-gentoo-sources Broadcom Corp. BCM20702 Bluetooth 4.0 [ThinkPad]
2021-09-19 20:30:38	frojnd	I don't see it when I do lsusb
2021-09-19 20:30:39	teraflops	vd: cp has -P
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2021-09-19 20:31:48	Namarrgon	teraflops: that will copy the symlink, no?
2021-09-19 20:32:07	Namarrgon	maybe i misunderstand the original question
2021-09-19 20:32:14	Namarrgon	frojnd: what about "lspci"?
2021-09-19 20:32:29	Namarrgon	the wifi is from broadcom, too?
2021-09-19 20:33:36	frojnd	I would say intel... I don't see any broadcom when I do lspci: https://termbin.com/prn7
2021-09-19 20:34:56	Namarrgon	do you see any reference to it in the kernel log?
2021-09-19 20:35:30	vd	Namarrgon: teraflops misunderstood. I want the copied file to have the content and name of the target, not the symlink itself. Like providing an explicit name, without providing one. Must be feasible
2021-09-19 20:35:56	teraflops	ah ;)
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2021-09-19 20:37:46	frojnd	(/usr/lib/NetworkManager/1.24.0-1/libnm-device-plugin-bluetooth.so)
2021-09-19 20:38:01	Namarrgon	can you post the dmesg output?
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2021-09-19 20:39:48	frojnd	It's just recent
2021-09-19 20:39:52	frojnd	I don't see nay bt logs inside
2021-09-19 20:40:31	frojnd	Typing just dmesg
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2021-09-19 20:40:52	Namarrgon	i don't see any either
2021-09-19 20:41:38	frojnd	Let me paste it 
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2021-09-19 20:42:24	ℹ 	sevu es conocido ahora como Guest3536
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2021-09-19 20:42:24	ℹ 	shiki es conocido ahora como sevu
2021-09-19 20:43:33	frojnd	Namarrgon: here: https://termbin.com/hkkx
2021-09-19 20:44:29	Namarrgon	are you dualbooting?
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2021-09-19 20:45:28	frojnd	No
2021-09-19 20:45:36	kulak	I am confused. Gnome wiki page says default is wayland, but using `loginctl show-session 3 -p Type` lists `x11`.
2021-09-19 20:46:02	thrice	how did you start gnome ?
2021-09-19 20:46:11	kulak	from gdm
2021-09-19 20:46:43	thrice	there should be a (gear?) icon that lets you choose x11 or wayland, perhaps check there?
2021-09-19 20:46:59	Namarrgon	frojnd: does it work on any other OS?
2021-09-19 20:47:35	frojnd	Namarrgon: no idea have just this one
2021-09-19 20:48:40	kulak	My `/usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop` file uses `Exec=/usr/bin/gnome-session` command which is the same as gnome-xorg.desktop's command.
2021-09-19 20:48:46	frojnd	It's old laptop thinkpad x230 it should work out of the box?
2021-09-19 20:48:54	Namarrgon	frojnd: does rfkill list it?
2021-09-19 20:49:31	thrice	kulak: well, which is selected in GDM?
2021-09-19 20:49:57	frojnd	Namarrgon: no, that's also weird
2021-09-19 20:50:11	frojnd	It just shows phy0
2021-09-19 20:50:22	frojnd	For wifi
2021-09-19 20:50:33	kulak	that's what I am saying.  it does not matter what GDM lists if gnome.desktop and gnome-xorg.desktop have the same command to start Gnome.
2021-09-19 20:50:33	frojnd	Maybe it's damaged hardware
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2021-09-19 20:51:49	thrice	OK, if you don't want to answer questions asked to you, since you know what you are doing, I'll stop asking :)
2021-09-19 20:51:50	kevr	frojnd: Which command is telling you phy0?
2021-09-19 20:52:04	kevr	See `ip link`.
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2021-09-19 20:52:32	kevr	I ran into this weirdness as well. iwctl's listing of devices shows me phy0, but the interface has a different name in reality.
2021-09-19 20:52:43	kulak	thrice: ok :)  well, Gnome is selected when I run.  that's all I know
2021-09-19 20:52:48	frojnd	kevr: https://termbin.com/qpst
2021-09-19 20:52:50	vd	frojnd: I have an old x230 too which serves as a server now :)
2021-09-19 20:53:01	frojnd	vd: This is my main home laptop :)
2021-09-19 20:53:30	frojnd	Have another motherboard which is bricked, I just have to change one tiny bit and am good to go :P
2021-09-19 20:53:42	frojnd	It's great laptop
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2021-09-19 20:53:46	vd	it is
2021-09-19 20:54:00	frojnd	But I wanted to try bt earpods today lol
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2021-09-19 20:59:42	drop	thurstylark: In case you're interested, I think I've figured out the MCE problem you were helping me with. It's apprently a known problem with CPU C states on Ryzen. Added processor.max_cstate=5 to my kernel options and haven't had a crash since. No idea why it only started happening recently though.
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2021-09-19 21:14:15	artefact	any way to have control-backspace not send ^H in xterm? (i already set backarrowKey to false)
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2021-09-19 21:25:30	thebombzen	sudo --help says that the -u option works with "user name or ID" but it appears not to work
2021-09-19 21:25:39	thebombzen	if I run sudo -u leo /usr/bin/true, it works
2021-09-19 21:25:50	thebombzen	if I run sudo -u 1000 /usr/bin/true, it whines htat it doesn't know who 1000 is
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2021-09-19 21:26:00	thebombzen	(even though it's my user id, as reported by /usr/bin/id)
2021-09-19 21:26:13	thebombzen	Is there a way to make it work with the user ID, like it says it's supposed to?
2021-09-19 21:26:13	Namarrgon	read that manual section again
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2021-09-19 21:26:33	Namarrgon	"-u 1000" is not correct
2021-09-19 21:26:53	thebombzen	sudo --help reports: -u, --user=user               run command (or edit file) as specified user name or ID
2021-09-19 21:26:59	thebombzen	is this not clear?
2021-09-19 21:27:10	Namarrgon	no, it's not
2021-09-19 21:27:28	thebombzen	oh you're saying --help disagrees with the manpage. hold on then.
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2021-09-19 21:27:43	Namarrgon	i'm not saying it disagrees, it's jut not complete
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2021-09-19 21:46:42	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2021-09-19 21:46:43	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1375 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1374 normals)
2021-09-19 21:46:32	cdown	er, `systemctl cat org.gnome.Shell@.service`, I guess
2021-09-19 21:46:44	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-09-19 21:46:51	cdown	(we should really just boil that down, but.)
2021-09-19 21:47:02	kulak	No files found for org.gnome.Shell@.service.
2021-09-19 21:47:16	cdown	Oh, I suppose it's a user unit.
2021-09-19 21:47:22	cdown	Can you tell I don't use GNOME? :-)
2021-09-19 21:47:31	cdown	`systemctl --user cat org.gnome.Shell@.service`
2021-09-19 21:47:42	kulak	systemctl --user cat org.gnome.Shell@.service
2021-09-19 21:47:45	kulak	No files found for org.gnome.Shell@.service.
2021-09-19 21:47:47	cdown	:D
2021-09-19 21:47:53	cdown	This is going well, isn't it?
2021-09-19 21:48:14	kulak	worth a try
2021-09-19 21:49:00	cdown	Maybe it's a transient unit, in which case if it's not running... that's going to be a pain.
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2021-09-19 21:56:18	j0hannes	I believe that this user (https://aur.archlinux.org/account/Somisem) is a fake account based on a spam comment made here (https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ttf-bookerly/); what is the standard procedure in this case?
2021-09-19 21:56:20	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - ttf-bookerly (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-09-19 21:57:15	Namarrgon	report it in #archlinux-aur
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2021-09-19 22:04:33	kulak	I found service here: /usr/lib/systemd/user/org.gnome.Shell@wayland.service, but I can't get its status with `systemctl org.gnome.Shell@wayland.service` or `systemctl --user org.gnome.Shell@wayland.service`
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2021-09-19 22:31:56	kulak	oh, found wiki page talks about my issue https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GDM#GDM_ignores_Wayland_and_uses_X.Org_by_default
2021-09-19 22:31:56	phrik	Title: GDM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-09-19 22:31:56	obby	hey anyone available to try and help em with my server it isnt arch linux its ubuntu but cant find anyone :( having problems booting
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2021-09-19 22:31:56	Hello71	wat
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2021-09-19 22:31:56	NetSysFire	this is a channel about arch linux
2021-09-19 22:31:56	NetSysFire	general linux things go to #linux
2021-09-19 22:31:56	obby	thanks
2021-09-19 22:32:00	Hydragyrum	and for ubuntu, #ubuntu should exist
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2021-09-21 10:56:42	raster	rabbitnightmare:  well IR is and UV are part of the entire specturm but at completely different ends of the visible spectrum :)
2021-09-21 10:56:43	rabbitnightmare	I use arch to track each panel, tracking the sun location via nasa open source stuff
2021-09-21 10:57:03	raster	hmm or you could just use a light sensor to track the sun :)
2021-09-21 10:57:11	rabbitnightmare	this is more accurate
2021-09-21 10:57:13	raster	just rotate until panel is at the brightest
2021-09-21 10:57:25	rabbitnightmare	problem is the earth rotates
2021-09-21 10:57:34	rabbitnightmare	and the sun is never in the right part of the sky
2021-09-21 10:57:43	rabbitnightmare	plus cloudy days thats impossible to do
2021-09-21 10:57:50	jtgd	IR is longer wavelength than red. UV is shorter wavelength than violet.
2021-09-21 10:58:27	rabbitnightmare	its less to do with visible light
2021-09-21 10:59:17	rabbitnightmare	theres IR, IVB, UVB, UVA, and UVC that all excite the nanohydrocarbons
2021-09-21 10:59:24	raster	hmm there are feed-in tarrifs here it seems.
2021-09-21 10:59:38	raster	oh wait - cant apply after march 2019. argh
2021-09-21 10:59:46	rabbitnightmare	raster that sucks
2021-09-21 10:59:57	rabbitnightmare	I assume its because of brexit
2021-09-21 11:00:27	rabbitnightmare	what ever became of brexit? are you all a sovereign nation yet?
2021-09-21 11:00:41	raster	apparently we are.
2021-09-21 11:00:53	demonicm1niac	no it's really in general in europe that feedin isn't "worth" it becaue it's not government subsidized anymore to any degree
2021-09-21 11:00:58	raster	so far what has happened: cost of things go up as european workers left and no new ones coming in.
2021-09-21 11:00:59	demonicm1niac	lobbyists took care of that
2021-09-21 11:01:16	raster	lacking truck drivers and so supermarkets always have empty shelves for some goods
2021-09-21 11:01:28	rabbitnightmare	that will iron out over time
2021-09-21 11:01:43	raster	anythign you used to buy from "the continent" now has fat  duties added on.
2021-09-21 11:01:44	demonicm1niac	just produce enough to cover your hot water/freezer/fridge
2021-09-21 11:02:08	rabbitnightmare	covid kind of took over global news so finding information on it here in the US is kind of hard
2021-09-21 11:02:30	raster	hehehe - well dcovid has also been an impact.
2021-09-21 11:02:39	demonicm1niac	and data protection and privacy laws are being thrown under the bus
2021-09-21 11:02:52	rabbitnightmare	raster it was the new monster
2021-09-21 11:03:05	raster	either way - i'll keep solar in mind but maybe just enough to cover water heating and some personal needs
2021-09-21 11:03:23	jelle	raster: solar should be enough to run some arm ;-)
2021-09-21 11:03:33	rabbitnightmare	I would check with local building authorities before installing them
2021-09-21 11:03:53	demonicm1niac	jelle: my e15 2nd gen draws 3w idle :P
2021-09-21 11:04:29	raster	jelle: hehehe
2021-09-21 11:05:35	demonicm1niac	raster: panels do get ever better though with higher yields across a larger spectrum
2021-09-21 11:06:01	rabbitnightmare	during peek hours I make about 
2021-09-21 11:06:01	rabbitnightmare	2520.00A for about 4 hours, morning and evening I generate 1840A
2021-09-21 11:06:03	demonicm1niac	and it's at a point where you don't need to pretty much replace your panels every 2 years because the old ones produce nothing in comparison heh
2021-09-21 11:06:35	raster	demonicm1niac:  the problem is the costs. to use sensibly need batteries to use wasted power at other times of day etc. ... and that makes it pretty costly
2021-09-21 11:07:04	rabbitnightmare	raster for personal use yes
2021-09-21 11:07:16	demonicm1niac	not really - you can get 3 panels + 1200Wh thingie relatively cheaply
2021-09-21 11:07:16	raster	well that's all i can do as i can't sell :)
2021-09-21 11:07:28	demonicm1niac	to just slap on the balcony or side of the roof
2021-09-21 11:07:38	demonicm1niac	camping going solar reduced the price for that stuff greatly :)
2021-09-21 11:08:11	raster	demonicm1niac: well it's a fat investment into panels + batteries + install ... the question is how much that is vs current energy price :)
2021-09-21 11:08:17	rabbitnightmare	2520.00Amps powers about 25 homes
2021-09-21 11:08:22	demonicm1niac	oh for sure it will be some years
2021-09-21 11:08:36	rabbitnightmare	I was looking at my email statement
2021-09-21 11:09:19	raster	also battery will degraed over time and need replacing too - so have to cost that in
2021-09-21 11:09:28	rabbitnightmare	"You can increase your power generation up to 75 homes before moving to a new tax bracket, contact NySeg to learn how!"
2021-09-21 11:09:36	raster	and panels themselevs will eventually get damaged and need replacing (chips on the glass surface etc.)
2021-09-21 11:09:49	raster	rabbitnightmare: lucky you can sell your power :)
2021-09-21 11:10:06	rabbitnightmare	raster can you register it as a business, I had to
2021-09-21 11:10:31	rabbitnightmare	theres all sorts of safety guidelines I need to adhere to
2021-09-21 11:10:32	earnestly	raster: (also dust)
2021-09-21 11:11:18	rabbitnightmare	raster you are better off getting a grid tiein and letting the solar panels pay your electricity cost breaking even
2021-09-21 11:11:37	rabbitnightmare	there might even be tax writeoffs, contact your local grid authority
2021-09-21 11:12:00	earnestly	raster: Do run the numbers, because it's often no where near worth the investment.  It may change over time though
2021-09-21 11:12:09	rabbitnightmare	yes
2021-09-21 11:12:12	rabbitnightmare	research
2021-09-21 11:12:50	rabbitnightmare	I started 4 years ago with 12 panels
2021-09-21 11:13:21	rabbitnightmare	believe it or not Arch runs the server and has done so without a single issue for me
2021-09-21 11:13:39	rabbitnightmare	I had gentoo on it but that was a nightmare
2021-09-21 11:14:16	earnestly	Particularly if your panels will experience mostly cloudy days, rain (dust build up, they need to be very clean to get much out of them), and whether or not they can track the sun as any deviation from tangental severely reduces the efficiency
2021-09-21 11:14:34	earnestly	perpendicular to the sun*
2021-09-21 11:15:03	rabbitnightmare	I clean the bird doodie off of them about once a month
2021-09-21 11:15:11	earnestly	rabbitnightmare: Reminds me of https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/
2021-09-21 11:15:12	phrik	Title: LOW←TECH MAGAZINE (at solar.lowtechmagazine.com)
2021-09-21 11:16:04	earnestly	raster: Particularly relevant: https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2020/01/how-sustainable-is-a-solar-powered-website.html
2021-09-21 11:16:06	phrik	Title: How Sustainable is a Solar Powered Website? | LOW←TECH MAGAZINE (at solar.lowtechmagazine.com)
2021-09-21 11:16:28	rabbitnightmare	earnestly I have that powerbook clamshell!
2021-09-21 11:17:16	earnestly	demonicm1niac: This website owner went back to a X60 from a t430, heh
2021-09-21 11:17:44	rabbitnightmare	wow
2021-09-21 11:17:47	rabbitnightmare	thats a jump
2021-09-21 11:17:59	earnestly	They have an article about it
2021-09-21 11:18:06	rabbitnightmare	wait til he gets his hands on a ryzen 5800x
2021-09-21 11:19:14	rabbitnightmare	Dell PowerEdge R710
2021-09-21 11:19:27	rabbitnightmare	16gb of ram
2021-09-21 11:19:33	rabbitnightmare	tracks everything
2021-09-21 11:20:08	rabbitnightmare	goes into ultra lowe powermode at sundown and sunrise it powers itself back up
2021-09-21 11:20:23	earnestly	I got v2 z600 for compiling stuff, also only powers up when needed
2021-09-21 11:20:35	rabbitnightmare	https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-obtain-sunrise-sunset-time-for-any-location-from-linux-command-line
2021-09-21 11:20:36	phrik	Title: How to obtain Sunrise & Sunset time for any location from Linux command line - Linux Tutorials - Learn Linux Configuration (at linuxconfig.org)
2021-09-21 11:20:36	earnestly	(It's fairly quiet)
2021-09-21 11:21:11	rabbitnightmare	I dont track it at night so the server doesnt need to be doing anything
2021-09-21 11:21:21	rabbitnightmare	so it goes into s3 lowpower mode
2021-09-21 11:21:32	earnestly	rabbitnightmare: I use a combination of wol and rtcwake to implement a kind of "suspend then shutdown" feature so repeated access resumes from suspend unless a timeout is triggered, it then shuts down
2021-09-21 11:21:39	rabbitnightmare	I think it uses all of 12w per night
2021-09-21 11:21:47	earnestly	So that it powers up on on demand
2021-09-21 11:22:04	rabbitnightmare	I am lazier than you it seems lol
2021-09-21 11:22:31	earnestly	I don't know how much power it uses while 'off' due to wol requirement though
2021-09-21 11:23:27	rabbitnightmare	Oddly enough I use Windows at home
2021-09-21 11:23:40	rabbitnightmare	I was using arch but I needed to do stuff
2021-09-21 11:23:55	rabbitnightmare	I like arch running my business
2021-09-21 11:24:04	rabbitnightmare	does everything I need it to
2021-09-21 11:24:25	rabbitnightmare	I set Linux to suspend to ram
2021-09-21 11:25:40	rabbitnightmare	just a script that runs constantly, tracking sundown and sunrise, and suspend and resume
2021-09-21 11:25:51	rabbitnightmare	easy peasy
2021-09-21 11:26:20	rabbitnightmare	alrighty I gotta shower and go about my day
2021-09-21 11:26:44	rabbitnightmare	I have about 7 things to do today
2021-09-21 11:28:09	jtgd	a light day?
2021-09-21 11:33:07	raster	earnestly: thats what i have to do - run the numbers. i kind of wrote it off as the uk is not the sunniest place so productivity of a solar install will be lower thus increasing pay-off time. but then again electricity prices keep rising too... so... :) anyway .. so so so OT :)
2021-09-21 11:34:30	raster	now if offer is accepted time ot wrap myself is a massive blanket of debt and join everyone else owing the bank... :)
2021-09-21 11:35:13	raster	but one thing i am going to do is automate my damned house to the hilt. going to be lots of rpi's and ethernet through the place to run everything... :)
2021-09-21 11:35:26	jelle	raster: I think my parents have a RoI of 7 years on solar
2021-09-21 11:35:40	jelle	~ around that ballpark
2021-09-21 11:35:40	raster	i might actually need to come up with some system managament infra for that fleet of rpi's running arch :)
2021-09-21 11:35:55	raster	jelle:  in the uk?
2021-09-21 11:35:59	jelle	raster: netherlands
2021-09-21 11:36:07	raster	hmm ok might be similar then.
2021-09-21 11:36:12	jelle	oh that is with subisidies though
2021-09-21 11:38:18	raster	ooh you can get relay hats. nice
2021-09-21 11:38:22	raster	https://shop.sb-components.co.uk/products/pirelay-relay-board-shield-for-raspberry-pi
2021-09-21 11:38:23	phrik	Title: PiRelay - Relay Shield for Raspberry Pi | Raspberry Pi Relay Board (at shop.sb-components.co.uk)
2021-09-21 11:38:44	earnestly	raster: Last I checked it was about 27 years to break even, but there is a guy on youtube who lives off the grid in the uk with banks of car batteries and such
2021-09-21 11:39:12	raster	earnestly: ouch. led-acid.... i guess he doesnt do it for cost reasons :)
2021-09-21 11:39:33	earnestly	raster: https://www.youtube.com/c/RidingJava/videos
2021-09-21 11:39:46	earnestly	Not uk, I misremembered apparently
2021-09-21 11:40:09	earnestly	Hm, no sorry this isn't the right channel.  I'll properly look
2021-09-21 11:46:10	earnestly	raster: Nope, can't find it now
2021-09-21 11:46:19	raster	:|
2021-09-21 12:58:25	wyre	is there any File option for pacman to search which package owns a specific file in repos? 🤔
2021-09-21 12:58:39	wyre	I cannot se any in the manual
2021-09-21 12:59:07	Namarrgon	!pacman-file
2021-09-21 12:59:08	phrik	Find out what package owns a file, even if the package isn't installed. pacman -Fy <file> (similar to !pkgfile)
2021-09-21 12:59:17	wyre	oh, apparently `x` works
2021-09-21 12:59:51	thrice	pacman -x
2021-09-21 12:59:52	thrice	error: invalid option '-x'
2021-09-21 12:59:58	wyre	hmm, so I can use just -F
2021-09-21 13:00:01	zbe	Didnt you ask same thing yesterday
2021-09-21 13:00:03	wyre	interesting 🤔
2021-09-21 13:00:42	wyre	zbe, I've asked yesterday for a way to list all files of a package in repos
2021-09-21 13:01:00	wyre	not actually to look for a specific file in all packages
2021-09-21 13:01:10	wyre	but thank you guys 😉
2021-09-21 15:35:11	ppascher	After updating smbclient from 4.14.7 to 4.15.0 sssd would not work anymore. Error about not finding libndr.so.1 anymore (as new smbclient provides libndr.so.2). Does sssd need an update or is this something I need to fix on my side?
2021-09-21 15:36:00	Namarrgon	is your system fully up to date?
2021-09-21 15:36:16	ppascher	yes
2021-09-21 15:36:38	Namarrgon	"lddtree /usr/bin/sssd"
2021-09-21 15:36:52	frojnd	Hi there.
2021-09-21 15:37:12	afk	Hi. "sudo env COUNTRY=<code> crda" is returning "Failed to set regulatory domian: -7". Googling for this error doesn't seem to turn up much. Any ideas what's going on?
2021-09-21 15:37:20	frojnd	Second day that I would like to connect my bluetooth headphones to the BT.... now when I start service I see from status: Active: inactive (dead)
2021-09-21 15:37:29	frojnd	I made double sure bluetooth is enabled in BIOS
2021-09-21 15:37:49	Scimmia	ppascher: it looks like this is a bug, sssd needs rebuilt
2021-09-21 15:37:56	frojnd	So bluetooth service is not even being started
2021-09-21 15:38:41	frojnd	Then again btusb is not beign loaded
2021-09-21 15:38:45	frojnd	Let me try to load it
2021-09-21 15:39:07	frojnd	Ok now it's running
2021-09-21 15:39:28	Scimmia	tpowa missed the soname bump
2021-09-21 15:39:59	frojnd	When I do power on from bluetoothctl I get: `No default controller available` ?
2021-09-21 15:41:07	toinux	is it enabled ?
2021-09-21 15:41:16	toinux	systemctl enable --now <servicename>
2021-09-21 15:41:20	ppascher	Namarrgon: libndr is not listed with just ldd from what I can see. (no lddtree found).
2021-09-21 15:41:30	ppascher	Scimmia: Ok, thank you.
2021-09-21 15:41:37	Namarrgon	where do you see the libndr error?
2021-09-21 15:42:05	ppascher	/usr/lib/sssd/sssd/sssd_pac: error while loading shared libraries: libndr.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2021-09-21 15:42:47	afk	Hi. "sudo env COUNTRY=<code> crda" is returning "Failed to set regulatory domian: -7". Googling for this error doesn't seem to turn up much. Any ideas what's going on?
2021-09-21 15:43:49	zpth0z	Hiya, I'm having trouble with GRUB. I tried to change the order of the boot menu so that Windows and Linux were switched. However, Windows showed as UEFI Firmware Settings in Grub Customizer. I didn't think much of it, and put it at the top. I rebooted and it put me into the motherboard settings. Now I'm worried I won't be able to get Windows back on there.
2021-09-21 15:44:22	NetSysFire	its probably easy enough to fix
2021-09-21 15:44:27	NetSysFire	whats in efibootmgr -v?
2021-09-21 15:44:36	toinux	 UEFI Firmware Settings are firmware settings, not windows Boot Manager
2021-09-21 15:44:37	ppascher	Namarrgon: ok, ldd on that file shows libndr.so.1
2021-09-21 15:45:24	zpth0z	NetSysFire, it's hard to decipher lol It's a lot of text and dots
2021-09-21 15:45:30	NetSysFire	paste it
2021-09-21 15:45:46	zpth0z	BootCurrent: 0002
2021-09-21 15:45:46	zpth0z	Timeout: 1 seconds
2021-09-21 15:45:46	zpth0z	BootOrder: 0002,0000,0001
2021-09-21 15:45:46	zpth0z	Boot0000* Windows Boot Manager	HD(1,GPT,0f08dcd9-4161-4cdf-88f6-9d98fe80db48,0x800,0x32000)/File(\EFI\MICROSOFT\BOOT\BOOTMGFW.EFI)WINDOWS.........x...B.C.D.O.B.J.E.C.T.=.{.9.d.e.a.8.6.2.c.-.5.c.d.d.-.4.e.7.0.-.a.c.c.1.-.f.3.2.b.3.4.4.d.4.7.9.5.}...a................
2021-09-21 15:45:46	zpth0z	Boot0001* Hard Drive	BBS(HD,,0x0)..GO..NO........q.S.a.m.s.u.n.g. .S.S.D. .9.6.0. .E.V.O. .5.0.0.G.B....................A...........................%8Sq..O.....4..Gd-.;.A..MQ..L.S.3.E.U.N.X.0.J.3.1.9.9.0.7.K........BO..NO........u.S.T.2.0.0.0.D.M.0.0.6.-.2.D.M.1.6.4....................A.................................>..Gd-.;.A..MQ..L. . . . . . . . . . . .
2021-09-21 15:45:46	zpth0z	.5.Z.4.0.5.B.B.R........BO..NO........u.S.a.m.s.u.n.g. 
2021-09-21 15:45:51	zpth0z	.S.S.D. .8.5.0. .E.V.O. .5.0.0.G.B....................A.................................>..Gd-.;.A..MQ..L.2.S.J.1.X.N.G.A.5.6.1.5.2.1. .N. . . . ........BO..NO........u.W.D.C. .W.D.1.0.0.2.F.A.E.X.-.0.0.Z.3.A.0....................A.................................>..Gd-.;.A..MQ..L. . . . .W. .-.D.C.W.T.A.2.R.3.7.3.9.2.5........BO
2021-09-21 15:45:57	zpth0z	Boot0002* GRUB	HD(1,GPT,0f08dcd9-4161-4cdf-88f6-9d98fe80db48,0x800,0x32000)/File(\EFI\GRUB\GRUBX64.EFI)
2021-09-21 15:46:20	Namarrgon	i bet that was the last entry anyway...
2021-09-21 15:46:21	NetSysFire	!pastefail
2021-09-21 15:46:22	phrik	 0  DAYS SINCE THE LAST BUFFER ACCIDENT: Clipboard safety is our union goal!
2021-09-21 15:46:33	zpth0z	Hmm
2021-09-21 15:46:34	Namarrgon	zpth0z: please use a paste service next time
2021-09-21 15:46:41	NetSysFire	also see the /topic
2021-09-21 15:46:48	zpth0z	ah ok
2021-09-21 15:46:58	zpth0z	!paste
2021-09-21 15:46:59	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-09-21 15:47:31	Namarrgon	ppascher: file a bugreport agains sssd, as Scimmia said, it needs a rebuild
2021-09-21 15:47:34	zpth0z	https://bpa.st/7NQA
2021-09-21 15:47:35	phrik	Title: View paste 7NQA (at bpa.st)
2021-09-21 15:47:51	ppascher	Namarrgon: ok, will do. Thank you.
2021-09-21 15:48:05	Namarrgon	ppascher: rebuild it locally until the update hits the repos
2021-09-21 15:49:43	frojnd	My dock won't recognize microphone port
2021-09-21 15:49:53	frojnd	Or microphone that goes into microphone port
2021-09-21 15:50:11	zpth0z	Grub used to show Linux, Linux Advanced, and Windows 10
2021-09-21 15:50:35	zpth0z	Now after changing the grub menu via grub-customizer, it shows the first two, but Windows 10 has been replaced with EUFI settings
2021-09-21 15:50:36	Namarrgon	zpth0z: when you mess up grub.cfg you can still boot into windows from the firmware bootmenu
2021-09-21 15:51:10	Gagis	efuviitngr -uv gets rid of the dots so itll be easier to read
2021-09-21 15:51:20	Namarrgon	!dots
2021-09-21 15:51:21	phrik	MORE DOTS!! MORE DOTS!! Ok, stop dots.
2021-09-21 15:51:29	LilUFO	zpth0z, you might need to set GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER to false 
2021-09-21 15:51:38	LilUFO	then grub-mkconfig again 
2021-09-21 15:52:15	zpth0z	https://bpa.st/XNPA
2021-09-21 15:52:15	phrik	Title: View paste XNPA (at bpa.st)
2021-09-21 16:02:28	zpth0z	Adding that to the grub config and remaking did not fix it
2021-09-21 16:02:35	zpth0z	The third setting still boots me into the BIOS
2021-09-21 16:03:30	zpth0z	Oh hold on though
2021-09-21 16:03:43	zpth0z	After booting back into Linux, grub-customizer now shows Windows 10
2021-09-21 16:04:31	zpth0z	I'm going to see if it works this time. If you don't see my again, thank you for your help. :3
2021-09-21 16:04:40	zpth0z	bb
2021-09-21 16:09:23	YellowSuB	Is there any particular reason that pastebin.com and paste.ubuntu.com are not recommended by phrik?
2021-09-21 16:09:55	Namarrgon	the former is full of silly antifeatures and for the latter you need an account to view raw pastes
2021-09-21 16:10:22	NetSysFire	!pastebin
2021-09-21 16:10:23	phrik	Pastebin.com is swamped with advertisements and random captchas. Malware found on pastebin.com has resulted in it being blocked for some users. It injects CRLF line-endings. Please, use something else. Use something sane like https://gist.github.com https://bpaste.net https://ix.io and see !ix for easy way to paste from a pipe
2021-09-21 16:10:32	NetSysFire	!pastebin.ubuntu.com
2021-09-21 16:10:34	phrik	NetSysFire: BLEEP BLOOP
2021-09-21 16:10:34	YellowSuB	Oh neat
2021-09-21 16:10:36	NetSysFire	damn
2021-09-21 16:10:41	NetSysFire	!paste.ubuntu.com
2021-09-21 16:10:41	phrik	Don't use paste.ubuntu.com, they force you to login before allowing you to access the plaintext version of a paste. Please, use something else. Use something sane like https://paste.rs https://gist.github.com https://bpaste.net https://ix.io
2021-09-21 16:11:18	YellowSuB	'Injects CRLF line endings' Oh dear lord why
2021-09-21 16:21:04	kib	hold up, github has a pastebin service? that is so cool, TIL
2021-09-21 16:21:37	Hazoune	do you mean gist?
2021-09-21 16:22:47	kib	yes ;D
2021-09-21 16:22:50	kib	phrik: TIL
2021-09-21 16:22:51	phrik	kib: Is that a question?
2021-09-21 16:23:58	Hazoune	it's [today I learned]
2021-09-21 16:24:58	YellowSuB	phrik is a bot
2021-09-21 16:24:59	phrik	Maybe true!
2021-09-21 16:25:32	kib	YellowSuB: yes I know. I like bot.
2021-09-21 16:25:50	YellowSuB	Bot is good, bot is life
2021-09-21 16:26:43	kib	phrik: hello love
2021-09-21 16:26:43	phrik	kib: No idea
2021-09-21 16:26:48	Hazoune	ohh I didn't know, my bad.
2021-09-21 16:26:50	kib	phrik: ouch
2021-09-21 16:26:51	phrik	http://d.facdn.net/art/longblueclaw/1276610457/1276610457.longblueclaw_doom_ouch.png
2021-09-21 16:27:04	kib	tfw phrik rejected you...
2021-09-21 16:27:26	Hazoune	lmao he's a bot, really?
2021-09-21 16:27:33	Hazoune	phrik hey
2021-09-21 16:27:33	phrik	hey Hazoune
2021-09-21 16:27:38	Hazoune	ok
2021-09-21 16:27:39	YellowSuB	Yep hes a bot
2021-09-21 16:27:45	YellowSuB	A good bot
2021-09-21 16:27:53	YellowSuB	some say, the best bot
2021-09-21 16:28:03	Hazoune	I thought I am talking to real irc user..
2021-09-21 16:28:19	Hazoune	thanks YellowSuB
2021-09-21 16:28:26	kib	Hazoune: LOL
2021-09-21 16:28:35	Hazoune	yes I am
2021-09-21 16:28:37	Hazoune	new to irc
2021-09-21 16:28:44	YellowSuB	welcome
2021-09-21 16:28:51	Hazoune	thanks!
2021-09-21 16:29:23	kib	Hazoune: me too!!
2021-09-21 16:34:46	ppascher	Namarrgon: ‎Scimmia‎: That was quick. sssd has been updated and issue is resolved. Thanks Tobias if you are hiding here!
2021-09-21 16:47:49	frojnd	Solvoed my BT issue!
2021-09-21 16:48:27	frojnd	It appears bt devices works better if they are actually pluggedin into their respeced ports :/ I dissamble laptop only to find out bt card was not properly inserted :O
2021-09-21 16:52:18	frojnd	I thought if I load module: modprobe btusb it will be loaded on reboot, but it's not loaded on reboot?
2021-09-21 17:04:03	jonathon	In my .bashrc I've got `PATH="{$PATH}:.."`. This file hasn't changed for a while, and I don't know what {$PATH} does but it looks wrong (e.g. I know ${PATH} would be OK). Is {$PATH} valid and doing something I don't know about?
2021-09-21 17:08:23	mkoskar	jonathon: no, it doesn't make sense
2021-09-21 17:14:01	ayekat	it would just be literal curly braces
2021-09-21 17:15:17	jonathon	righty. time to go through and check my dotfiles then. looking at my .bashrc there's stuff in there from a debian skel file... :D
2021-09-21 17:15:22	kib	eb like frojnd people. >Takes apart laptop because bt is not working 
2021-09-21 17:18:11	jonathon	(which has been there since before 2013..)
2021-09-21 17:20:05	frojnd	kib: oh u didn't follow. Scroll 2 days in the past and you'll how much sw debugging was involved first ;)
2021-09-21 17:20:17	frojnd	you'll see how much*
2021-09-21 17:20:46	kib	ah ok makes sense :D
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2021-09-21 17:50:18	kib	how do I set up dwm / i3 so that in zoom if I click on Chat or People, it shows up in a floating window above my tiled existing window?
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2021-09-21 17:51:53	teraflops	I guess you have to know the wname or id then set it to float in wm config
2021-09-21 17:52:29	kib	ok I know the class is zoom
2021-09-21 17:52:33	kib	and the wmname is Chat
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2021-09-21 17:52:50	kib	 { "zoom",  NULL,       "Chat",       1 << 8,       1,           -1 }, 
2021-09-21 17:53:01	kib	I did this in my config.h but this only makes the window float
2021-09-21 17:53:13	kib	https://0x0.st/-3IM.h
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2021-09-21 17:53:27	teraflops	idk about dwm I'm afarid
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2021-09-21 17:53:34	kib	i3?
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2021-09-21 17:56:50	kib	and for some reason clicking the chat window opens it in workspace 9
2021-09-21 17:56:52	kib	!flip
2021-09-21 17:56:52	phrik	(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
2021-09-21 17:58:44	teraflops	kib: something like for_window [class="zoom" title="^Chat"] floating enable
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2021-09-21 17:59:20	teraflops	I do not use zoon on linux so no idea if that woks
2021-09-21 17:59:27	teraflops	works^
2021-09-21 17:59:39	bougyman	It works.
2021-09-21 17:59:50	teraflops	noce
2021-09-21 17:59:54	teraflops	nice^
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2021-09-21 18:02:04	kib	no it only makes it floating
2021-09-21 18:02:16	kib	doesn't make it appear on top of the fullscreen zoom window in focus
2021-09-21 18:02:44	teraflops	I thought you wanted your goat to float
2021-09-21 18:02:56	teraflops	you can do that as well I think
2021-09-21 18:03:12	Namarrgon	goatctl enable float
2021-09-21 18:03:16	kib	I want chat to float 
2021-09-21 18:03:26	kib	and also be above fullscreen 
2021-09-21 18:03:31	kib	Namarrgon: nice ;D
2021-09-21 18:03:31	Namarrgon	unfullscreen the main window
2021-09-21 18:03:41	Namarrgon	and make sure it's not floating
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2021-09-21 18:04:08	kib	Namarrgon: in other platoforms the chat is a floating window that comes up above the fullscreen zoom meeting
2021-09-21 18:04:21	Namarrgon	use other platforms
2021-09-21 18:04:23	kib	IIRC, that is how it works in some DE too(like KDE I think(
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2021-09-21 18:06:16	teraflops	kib: did you test that functionality on linux but stacked DE?
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2021-09-21 18:06:55	kib	teraflops: I think it works in KDE.
2021-09-21 18:07:13	teraflops	iirc and I think it's not very certain
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2021-09-21 18:07:24	teraflops	no pun intended
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2021-09-21 18:08:33	kib	hey here's an idea, how does demnu and rofi do it?
2021-09-21 18:08:51	kib	if you open dmenu/rofi in fullscreen window, they show up above everything
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2021-09-21 18:08:58	kib	how do they do it?
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2021-09-21 18:09:49	coruja	kib: sounds like a nice $search_engine challenge
2021-09-21 18:09:50	teraflops	that's how i3 works
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2021-09-21 18:09:59	teraflops	kib: https://faq.i3wm.org/question/6077/window-always-on-top/index.html
2021-09-21 18:10:00	phrik	Title: Window always on top - i3 FAQ (at faq.i3wm.org)
2021-09-21 18:10:13	kib	coruja: I have been googling and ddg in for almost 2 weeks now
2021-09-21 18:10:26	kib	teraflops: huh but that is not how it works for me
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2021-09-21 18:10:27	teraflops	maybe you want to play a littel with i3 ipc
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2021-09-21 18:11:01	kib	oh wait teraflops that is in case of non fullscreen tile
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2021-09-21 18:12:07	kib	see mine is slightly different, I want chat window to pop up ON TOP of a FULLSCREEN zoom meeting
2021-09-21 18:13:56	coruja	*tinnitus*
2021-09-21 18:16:48	kib	I want to use gnome and see if my issue exists
2021-09-21 18:17:05	kib	can i just install the gnome DE without the rest of the crap?
2021-09-21 18:17:13	kib	!give aw gnome
2021-09-21 18:17:14	phrik	aw: https://images.uncyclomedia.co/uncyclopedia/en/4/4f/Gnomehint.png
2021-09-21 18:17:28	kib	uhhh
2021-09-21 18:17:35	kib	!give kib aw gnome
2021-09-21 18:17:37	phrik	kib: Gnome - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Gnome
2021-09-21 18:21:38	NetSysFire	you can just do !aw gnome if you want to get the result for yourself
2021-09-21 18:22:02	kib	ah thanks NetSysFire :P noted.
2021-09-21 18:31:47	kib	so i got it to work tahnks to af in offtopic.
2021-09-21 18:31:55	kib	xdotool search --class zoom search --name Chat windowraise
2021-09-21 18:33:03	kib	well ok the man page was of great help too but couldn't have doen it without af's suggestion.
2021-09-21 18:48:24	machinehum	Is there a way to know which packages got updated with -Syu retroactively?
2021-09-21 18:48:33	thurstylark	pacman log
2021-09-21 18:48:40	thurstylark	pacman -v to see where it is
2021-09-21 18:49:37	machinehum	ty
2021-09-21 18:50:08	machinehum	Actually I think my other wifichipset got fixed with the upgrade
2021-09-21 18:50:22	machinehum	One breaks, one fixed
2021-09-21 18:51:12	zbe	There has to be balance in the universe.
2021-09-21 18:51:17	kib	perfect.
2021-09-21 18:53:05	thurstylark	the law of equivalent exchange
2021-09-21 18:55:37	cyphertite	zbe:  in Chemistry, 'balance' is called equilibrium, and certainly while *not* be required, all molecular interactions tend toward equilibrium ;p
2021-09-21 18:56:23	cyphertite	be/*being
2021-09-21 18:58:03	machinehum	Hmm
2021-09-21 18:58:20	zbe	Software entropy. :p
2021-09-21 18:58:23	machinehum	It looks like pacman didn't even update linux-firmware, which should have my intel driver
2021-09-21 18:58:50	machinehum	And my rtl driver didn't get updated either, because that's all AUR stuff
2021-09-21 18:59:09	machinehum	Interesting
2021-09-21 18:59:15	machinehum	Maybe the kernel update did something
2021-09-21 19:00:24	kib	maybe try updating your mirrorlist?
2021-09-21 19:00:57	zbe	Last -firmware update was over a month ago
2021-09-21 19:01:30	machinehum	zbe: Yeah that's consistent with what I'm seeing
2021-09-21 19:01:30	Hello71	new version in testing yesterday
2021-09-21 19:01:35	Hello71	https://archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&q=linux-firmware&maintainer=&flagged=
2021-09-21 19:01:38	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2021-09-21 19:01:51	machinehum	I'll just use the realtek driver until something breaks
2021-09-21 19:05:25	cyphertite	zbe and machinehum: - a month ago?    linux-firmware 20210919.d526e04-1 Build Date      : Mon 20 Sep 2021 06:27:35 PM UTC
2021-09-21 19:06:24	machinehum	oh
2021-09-21 19:06:31	zbe	cyphertite, I guess you are using testing repo
2021-09-21 19:06:48	machinehum	I'm on normal whatever repo
2021-09-21 19:07:15	cyphertite	ofc
2021-09-21 19:07:36	kib	cyphertite: did you pick that off the website?
2021-09-21 19:08:09	cyphertite	kib:  testing
2021-09-21 19:09:35	kib	ah right testing
2021-09-21 19:09:45	kib	see mine is from a month ago too, hence I was wondering
2021-09-21 19:12:58	xapak	Hello.
2021-09-21 19:13:04	thurstylark	!welcome
2021-09-21 19:13:06	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2021-09-21 19:13:11	xapak	Hahahaha
2021-09-21 19:13:41	xapak	It’s been a while since I setup this laptop. How do I know what disk encryption method I used? I want to change the password
2021-09-21 19:14:19	xapak	I’m sure this is the instructions I followed, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system, but I cannot remember which one was it :D
2021-09-21 19:15:24	thurstylark	Are you booted in it already?
2021-09-21 19:15:38	xapak	Yes, yes, this is my everyday box
2021-09-21 19:16:09	thurstylark	Can you post the output of `lsblk -f` to a paste service?
2021-09-21 19:16:15	thurstylark	!paste
2021-09-21 19:16:16	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-09-21 19:21:09	xapak	thurstylark, https://paste.rs/pd7
2021-09-21 19:21:42	JSkold	Hi, I'm wondering if lists.archlinux.org has any mitigations for DMARC? I submitted a patch to the pacman-dev list but all I got was a bunch of failed DMARC reports
2021-09-21 19:21:48	thurstylark	Co
2021-09-21 19:22:33	NetSysFire	-devops may be interested in that
2021-09-21 19:23:28	JSkold	Thanks, NetSysFire, I'll take it there
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2021-09-21 19:26:32	thurstylark	xapak: looks like a pretty standard LVM on LUKS setup. I'm having trouble finding succint instructions for changing a passphrase on the wiki, but you'll need cryptsetup to add a new passphrase and then delete the old one
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2021-09-21 19:27:43	xapak	thurstylark, do you mean like cryptsetup luksAddKey and then cryptsetup luksRemoveKey?
2021-09-21 19:28:00	thurstylark	Yup
2021-09-21 19:28:05	xapak	But gotcha, I’m going to check that
2021-09-21 19:28:06	xapak	Thanks!
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2021-09-21 19:28:51	maztheman	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/System_configuration#Using_sd-encrypt_hook
2021-09-21 19:28:53	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/System configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-21 19:29:06	xapak	Looks like there is a luksChangeKey option now
2021-09-21 19:29:21	thurstylark	ooh neato
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2021-09-21 19:33:26	xapak	I think that would be it. I won’t try it until next week, but thanks for helping me find the option to! :D
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2021-09-21 20:10:20	hyper_dave	Is gdisk destructive? To convert MBR to GPT?
2021-09-21 20:10:28	hyper_dave	Without data loss/
2021-09-21 20:11:00	thurstylark	it should be able to do that without data loss, but best to have a backup anyways
2021-09-21 20:11:37	hyper_dave	thurstylark: It will keep partitions yes?
2021-09-21 20:11:56	thurstylark	ideally, yes
2021-09-21 20:12:00	thurstylark	consult the manpage
2021-09-21 20:12:16	hyper_dave	Okay
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2021-09-21 20:23:49	susi	backups are for sissies
2021-09-21 20:25:13	hyper_dave	Yup
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2021-09-21 20:26:56	teraflops	having backups of partition table is always a good idea
2021-09-21 20:28:35	NetSysFire	s/of partition table //
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2021-09-21 20:34:25	teraflops	I know sissie it was a dog 
2021-09-21 20:34:46	novns	always make backups of your backups
2021-09-21 20:35:41	novns	and frontdowns too
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2021-09-21 20:43:26	susi	I'm such a bad ass I even disable journaling
2021-09-21 20:44:40	teraflops	oh no dog's name was lassie
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2021-09-21 20:45:02	mpan	You are not really a badass unless you `cp /dev/urandom /dev/sdxp` and hope the random data will match the original content.
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2021-09-21 20:45:15	uis	Is 100/100 monobits healty for TRNG?
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2021-09-21 20:46:55	teraflops	i once tried to generate random youtube links and piping then to mpv, it never played a video
2021-09-21 20:47:36	mpan	teraflops: for some time I had a signature on the Arch forum with a script that executed in bash random data fetched from a paste service.
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2021-09-21 20:50:22	pholi	anyone here uses the framework laptop?
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2021-09-21 20:51:16	teraflops	you have to honor that laptop running LFS
2021-09-21 20:52:08	thurstylark	I know Foxboron had one for a bit...
2021-09-21 20:52:40	teraflops	for a bit sounds suspicious
2021-09-21 20:53:05	teraflops	rip?
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2021-09-21 20:55:13	thurstylark	iirc it was slightly pre-production unit to evaluate how it works on arch
2021-09-21 20:55:27	thurstylark	so idk if he's still got it or had to give it back by now or what
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2021-09-21 21:16:38	Foxboron	thurstylark: sap
2021-09-21 21:16:52	thurstylark	what now?
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2021-09-21 21:16:57	Foxboron	why the ping
2021-09-21 21:17:00	Foxboron	oh
2021-09-21 21:17:04	Foxboron	ah, they left
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2021-09-21 21:17:10	thurstylark	oh, someone was asking about framework
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2021-09-21 21:17:27	thurstylark	still playing with it?
2021-09-21 21:17:41	Foxboron	yeah
2021-09-21 21:17:49	Foxboron	I did a kernel patch for the TPM yesterday
2021-09-21 21:18:04	thurstylark	oh that's what you were talking about 
2021-09-21 21:18:06	thurstylark	nice
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2021-09-21 21:22:38	HenryTheLongshot	Hey, so I backed my drive up using dd to clone it into a file. How can I mount it to check it was done correctly? I dd-ed the whole drive so there's multiple partitions on there, and mount isn't letting me just mount the whole thing
2021-09-21 21:23:01	machinehum	Looking like my realtek driver didn't fix itself
2021-09-21 21:23:03	machinehum	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1994085#p1994085
2021-09-21 21:23:04	phrik	Title: Intel AX200 Wifi chipset issues / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-09-21 21:23:05	machinehum	Any help would be awesome
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2021-09-21 21:24:47	thurstylark	HenryTheLongshot: iirc, you need to find the offset of the target partition using something like fdisk or gdisk, then feed that to mount somehow... lemme find a guide or something :P
2021-09-21 21:25:20	thurstylark	Yeah, like this https://askubuntu.com/a/69447
2021-09-21 21:25:21	phrik	Title: backup - Mount single partition from image of entire disk (device) - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
2021-09-21 21:26:12	HenryTheLongshot	thurstylark: Ah OK, does this also work with cryptsetup? since my disk was encrypted
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2021-09-21 21:28:24	thurstylark	HenryTheLongshot: how was it set up?
2021-09-21 21:28:26	thurstylark	lvm on luks?
2021-09-21 21:28:55	HenryTheLongshot	thurstylark: I'm not sure of the name, but I just used cryptesetup on each individual partition with a passphrase
2021-09-21 21:29:51	thurstylark	ok, so once you losetup that partition with the correct offset, use cryptsetup on the resulting loop device to unlock it, then it should show up where you usually expect it
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2021-09-21 21:32:49	HenryTheLongshot	thurstylark: wonderful, that seems to be working. Cheers <3
2021-09-21 21:32:55	thurstylark	sweetness
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2021-09-21 21:35:04	⚡ 	thurstylark wants to suggest trying linux-firmware from testing, but isn't sure of the implications of that since it hasn't been released yet...
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2021-09-22 11:19:37	rabbitnightmare3	Wandering_Magi you arent locked out
2021-09-22 11:19:47	Foxboron	Wandering_Magi: the default permission is 644, if it's something else you probably changed it
2021-09-22 11:20:05	rabbitnightmare3	Wandering_Magi and we dont care if you use windows or not
2021-09-22 11:20:23	rabbitnightmare3	thats not the point of arch at all
2021-09-22 11:21:16	rabbitnightmare3	Wandering_Magi tell me, why do you hate windows? I dont understand this mindset
2021-09-22 11:21:34	⚡ 	rabbitnightmare3 is insanely autistic
2021-09-22 11:21:40	rabbitnightmare3	high functioning
2021-09-22 11:21:57	rabbitnightmare3	windows doesnt lock you out of anything either
2021-09-22 11:22:08	Foxboron	rabbitnightmare3: Regardless, please stop the ranting
2021-09-22 11:23:51	raster	Wandering_Magi: it probably has the immutable bit set to avoid accidental editing/changing even by root processes. if you can't edit it as root even. sudo does this with sudoers for example. chattr +i/-i lets you toggle the immutable bit
2021-09-22 11:24:58	raster	oh wait no - sudo doesnt set the immutable bit
2021-09-22 11:25:04	raster	what did set it then? something else did...
2021-09-22 11:25:38	raster	anyway - then it may just be regular permissions like Foxboron said. no w permission even for root - you can use chmod to change that
2021-09-22 11:28:43	GuiToris	hello, I have mpv installed. The program may want mplayer to be installed instead. Can I just #ln -s /usr/bin/mpv /usr/bin/mplayer to fake it?
2021-09-22 11:29:10	NetSysFire	which program?
2021-09-22 11:29:14	GuiToris	Anki
2021-09-22 11:29:51	GuiToris	I get a warning everytime 'Sound and video on cards will not function until MPV or MPLAYER is installed'
2021-09-22 11:30:01	GuiToris	mpv is installed but it won't work
2021-09-22 11:30:32	NetSysFire	!gts
2021-09-22 11:30:33	phrik	(1) Please run this application in a terminal, inspect and maybe !paste the output (if possible). (2) Check and optionally !paste your journal. (3) Did you check the bugtracker (see !bugs)? If this program has a forum/issue tracker, did you check that, too?
2021-09-22 11:31:52	susi	any ideas why `reboot -p` reboots instead of powering down?
2021-09-22 11:32:00	GuiToris	NetSysFire, fwiw, I tried it in a virtual machine, and installing mplayer solved the problem, but it wasn't archlinux, I don't know if #ln -s /usr/bin/mpv /usr/bin/mplayer is like I installed it
2021-09-22 11:33:03	GuiToris	is it discouraged to modify the contents of /usr/bin ?
2021-09-22 11:33:26	susi	like installing new packages?
2021-09-22 11:33:42	GuiToris	$anki : mpv too old, reverting to mplayer
2021-09-22 11:36:51	frostschutz	GuiToris, anki seems to be using mpv in a special way (sets up hotkeys for it and stuff) so command replacement might not work, but sure you can just try it
2021-09-22 11:37:31	GuiToris	thanks, wish me luck
2021-09-22 11:38:05	frostschutz	if you know a bit of python you could try and debug here what exactly is the exception raised, here https://github.com/ankitects/anki/blob/972059251993c87c3395dc5d09cd96c3bc53c7ef/qt/aqt/sound.py#L884-L885
2021-09-22 11:38:27	frostschutz	or just report a bug with the anki project
2021-09-22 11:38:50	susi	any ideas why "systemctl status" sometimes reports 3, sometimes 4 lines of log?
2021-09-22 11:39:20	jtgd	GuiToris: too old in what way?
2021-09-22 11:39:31	GuiToris	jtgd, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2021-09-22 11:39:44	GuiToris	jtgd, https://www.reddit.com/r/Anki/comments/f896f2/problems_with_newest_mpv_version/
2021-09-22 11:39:49	jtgd	I thought mplayer was older than mpv
2021-09-22 11:40:01	GuiToris	linking mpv didn't do the trick :(
2021-09-22 11:40:16	susi	mdpv > mpv
2021-09-22 11:40:43	jtgd	that post is 2 years old
2021-09-22 11:42:01	GuiToris	and why does it matter if it's still relevant?
2021-09-22 11:42:07	frostschutz	GuiToris, are you using an old anki version?
2021-09-22 11:42:14	GuiToris	2.1.15
2021-09-22 11:42:43	frostschutz	you don't like 2.1.48?
2021-09-22 11:42:52	GuiToris	my cellphone doesn't like it
2021-09-22 11:44:17	frostschutz	you could just copy the sound.py over and see if it works or not, well... it might not work. you could track the mpv related changes in the github and see if you can patch yours, no idea
2021-09-22 11:44:35	GuiToris	thank you, I'll give it a try :)
2021-09-22 11:44:38	frostschutz	that's assuming 2.1.48 works with mpv
2021-09-22 11:44:56	GuiToris	if all these fail then I guess I have to install mplayer
2021-09-22 11:45:18	GuiToris	I thought mpv was a fork of mplayer, so it would be easy to fake it
2021-09-22 11:46:23	coruja	GuiToris: just saying but it looks like you're stepping down a ladder of dirty hacks (which won't end well mostly)
2021-09-22 11:47:05	GuiToris	it didn't look harmful :/
2021-09-22 11:47:11	Namarrgon	i understood that you needed the old anki version only to export your old cards, not that you intend to use it 
2021-09-22 11:48:14	GuiToris	I mainly use it on my cellphone, but if I'm near the computer it's more convenient to use that
2021-09-22 11:49:06	GuiToris	it's all about this 8mb mplayer package, I could just install it. I just really hoped it's not necessary to do that
2021-09-22 11:51:46	Namarrgon	you can sacrifice 8mb to the gods of convenience
2021-09-22 12:00:41	weltio	mhm im using plasma and set LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8 in /etc/locale.conf, ~/.config/plasma-localerc and ~/.config/locale.conf; but still: locale yields no LANGUAGE, neither does localectl - why?
2021-09-22 12:03:56	Namarrgon	switch to the next vt and run 'locale' there
2021-09-22 12:09:14	bjourne	I have a completely fresh install of arch linux and in kde or gnome the system randomly freezes
2021-09-22 12:09:44	Namarrgon	can you still switch to a vt or connect to it via ssh?
2021-09-22 12:10:15	bjourne	no keyboard input stops working too
2021-09-22 12:10:24	bjourne	Dell Precision 5820 MT with Intel Xeon W-2245 and NVidia P400
2021-09-22 12:10:31	Namarrgon	is the numlock LED flashing when this happens?
2021-09-22 12:10:44	bjourne	dont think so
2021-09-22 12:10:48	Namarrgon	you have the proprietary nvidia driver installed?
2021-09-22 12:11:03	bjourne	idk, it's a fresh install
2021-09-22 12:11:18	Namarrgon	how did you install it?
2021-09-22 12:11:40	bjourne	but graphics is very sluggish so i suspect something is wrong with the card or the drivers
2021-09-22 12:11:51	GuiToris	okay, I've tried all the dirty little tricks, none of them worked. Can I install mplayer as a dependency of Anki, if the anki wasn't compiled here?
2021-09-22 12:12:18	bjourne	"pacman -S plasma" no idea if that activates the required drivers or not
2021-09-22 12:12:31	Namarrgon	nothing will install the nvidia drivers for you
2021-09-22 12:13:10	Namarrgon	GuiToris: pacman -S --asdeps mplayer, but to add the dependency to anki you would need to hack it into the local pacman db
2021-09-22 12:13:22	bjourne	Namarrgon, what about the open source driver?
2021-09-22 12:13:26	Namarrgon	GuiToris: unless it already has the dep
2021-09-22 12:13:34	Namarrgon	bjourne: they aren't very good
2021-09-22 12:15:11	bjourne	but it shouldn't crash the system i dont think
2021-09-22 12:15:21	Namarrgon	and yet here we are :)
2021-09-22 12:15:28	GuiToris	Namarrgon, I was about to say if it were a dependency of Anki, it would be installed already, but then I realized it could be an optional dependency
2021-09-22 12:15:54	GuiToris	the aur version of anki does have mplayer listed
2021-09-22 12:16:12	Namarrgon	what about your version of anki? the aur is irrelevant
2021-09-22 12:16:36	GuiToris	I know nothing about it, besides https://archive.archlinux.org/packages/a/anki/anki-2.1.15-1-any.pkg.tar.xz
2021-09-22 12:16:49	GuiToris	this is not something I could alter, is it?
2021-09-22 12:17:16	Namarrgon	you don't know how to look up info on an installed package?
2021-09-22 12:17:33	coruja	GuiToris: pacman -Qi anki
2021-09-22 12:17:39	coruja	oops, spoiler
2021-09-22 12:17:45	matt-maguire	I buiilt the anki-release-source aur package earlier today
2021-09-22 12:17:46	GuiToris	thank you
2021-09-22 12:18:01	GuiToris	it's an optional dependency, everything should be fine
2021-09-22 12:18:17	GuiToris	thanks a lot for your help :)
2021-09-22 12:20:00	weltio	Namarrgon: y? didnt change anything - why should it anyway?
2021-09-22 12:20:33	GuiToris	all good, I have sound :)
2021-09-22 12:20:40	Namarrgon	weltio: to make sure that it gets exported correctly before plasma starts
2021-09-22 12:20:56	Namarrgon	if it's there before but not after you know which component to blame
2021-09-22 12:20:58	weltio	Namarrgon: i c 
2021-09-22 12:21:35	weltio	Namarrgon: is localectl supposed to expose each variable in locale.conf?
2021-09-22 12:21:51	weltio	or may LANGUAGE be one that is ignored?
2021-09-22 12:21:59	GuiToris	it's kind of interesting, Optional Deps   : mplayer: play sound [installed], but $ whoneeds mplayer Packages that depend on [mplayer] :
2021-09-22 12:22:04	GuiToris	(empty string)
2021-09-22 12:22:05	Namarrgon	weltio: do you set LANGUAGE in /etc/locale.conf?
2021-09-22 12:22:14	weltio	Namarrgon: yes
2021-09-22 12:22:29	weltio	LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8
2021-09-22 12:23:27	Namarrgon	switch to the next vt, "printenv LANGUAGE"
2021-09-22 12:23:46	GuiToris	doesn't whoneeds care about optional lists?
2021-09-22 12:24:12	Namarrgon	"whoneeds"?
2021-09-22 12:24:39	Namarrgon	you should lay off the helper scripts and relearn how to use pacman
2021-09-22 12:26:21	GuiToris	hmm, I don't know what it is if it's not a default package :/
2021-09-22 12:26:32	GuiToris	I don't have package named whoneeds installed
2021-09-22 12:26:35	Namarrgon	"type whoneeds"
2021-09-22 12:26:43	GuiToris	whoneeds is hashed (/usr/bin/whoneeds)
2021-09-22 12:26:55	GuiToris	I don't know what that means
2021-09-22 12:27:05	Namarrgon	pacman -Qo /usr/bin/whoneeds
2021-09-22 12:27:24	GuiToris	got it 'pkgtools'
2021-09-22 12:27:51	coruja	!give GuiToris aw pactree
2021-09-22 12:27:53	phrik	GuiToris: Pactree - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pactree
2021-09-22 12:29:11	GuiToris	thanks
2021-09-22 12:29:31	GuiToris	I tried pacman -Qdtq and mplayer is not listed there
2021-09-22 12:29:38	GuiToris	so everything is good :)
2021-09-22 12:36:41	weltio	Namarrgon: mhm works
2021-09-22 12:36:47	weltio	weirdly so
2021-09-22 12:37:05	Namarrgon	i forgot that LANGUAGE is a gettext thing, "locale" won't list it
2021-09-22 12:37:22	weltio	Namarrgon: i c - that solves my problem ; thx
2021-09-22 12:37:34	weltio	its not supposed to be in locale.conf then?
2021-09-22 12:37:42	Namarrgon	it is supposed to be there
2021-09-22 12:37:51	Namarrgon	well, if you need it that's a good place to export it
2021-09-22 12:43:28	zbe	GuiToris, you could edit .PKGINFO in *.pkg.tar.zst and add/remove dependencies or whatever of taht package (haven't read why you'd need that)
2021-09-22 12:44:23	GuiToris	thank you I didn't know that, fortunately there's no need to do that this time, but I'll try to keep this method in mind :)
2021-09-22 12:45:05	zbe	Probably not the right way to solve anything though
2021-09-22 13:03:09	hyper_dave	Why is pinentry sooo slow?
2021-09-22 13:03:45	greyltc	I've got a laptop with an intel GPU that has a 4k display. I keep the lid closed pretty much always and use it via a thunderbolt dock with two 1920x1200 displays. When I boot into a tty, the console doesn't fit on either screen correctly (like it's setup for a 4k display), it can scroll off the bottom and I can't see what i'm typing any more.
2021-09-22 13:06:20	greyltc	The initial part of the boot sequence is fine, but at some point it gets messed up and the console no  longer fits in the displays
2021-09-22 13:06:50	greyltc	anyone know how to keep the console from overrunning my displays?
2021-09-22 13:08:22	greyltc	`cat /sys/devices/virtual/graphics/fbcon/subsystem/fb0/virtual_size` gives 3840,2160
2021-09-22 13:08:35	greyltc	which of course can't fit on my external monitors
2021-09-22 13:08:46	greyltc	so I guess that's the problem?
2021-09-22 13:08:52	vagozino	Has anyone figured out how matrix works? How do I join rooms? 
2021-09-22 13:09:31	Namarrgon	vagozino: #matrix
2021-09-22 13:10:25	vagozino	Namarrgon: thanks!
2021-09-22 13:10:45	Namarrgon	hyper_dave: all the frontends?
2021-09-22 13:13:56	hyper_dave	Namarrgon: Yes
2021-09-22 13:20:56	hyper_dave	Takes more than 20 seconds
2021-09-22 13:22:23	kib	hola
2021-09-22 13:22:36	kib	online who?
2021-09-22 13:22:50	kib	oops wrong room sorry :(
2021-09-22 13:23:06	fALSO	Hello I want to knoe if anyone has this problem
2021-09-22 13:23:16	fALSO	When using chromium on archlinux
2021-09-22 13:23:30	fALSO	every page that has like parts that should have a fixed font, like code or something
2021-09-22 13:23:41	fALSO	isnt being rendered with a fixed size font on chromium
2021-09-22 13:23:56	fALSO	anyone knows if tehres anything special that should be installed on arch so that this works correctly ?
2021-09-22 13:26:47	ponies	fALSO: if the font looks off, chromium might be trying to use a font that doesnt exist, and defaulting to something else 
2021-09-22 13:27:12	fALSO	seems to be a common problem, a lot of hits on google for arch
2021-09-22 13:27:18	fALSO	going to see if any of it fixes it
2021-09-22 13:29:03	loste	Having some issues with intermittent sound. No issues with bluetooth, but while using the in built speakers and headphones I am needing to frequently use  pasuspender to restore sound.
2021-09-22 13:29:26	Tom^	isnt chromium pretty much shipping its own fontconfig/freetype etc because of some incompabilites of system one?
2021-09-22 13:29:36	loste	Audio will play fine for  a short while, than suddenly go out with a buzzing sound until I enter pasuspender into the terminal or reset pulseaudio in some way.
2021-09-22 13:29:45	fALSO	tom^,  no idea
2021-09-22 13:30:00	loste	Unfortunately it is not the powersave which seems to be common for many
2021-09-22 13:30:13	fALSO	nothing on the wiki about that tom^ 
2021-09-22 13:30:40	Tom^	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/chromium/trunk/PKGBUILD#L49 seems im remembering an old issue
2021-09-22 13:30:52	ponies	Tom^: this is correct 
2021-09-22 13:52:28	hyper_dave	Namarrgon: Any Ideas?
2021-09-22 13:54:54	Namarrgon	does restarting the gpg-agent help?
2021-09-22 14:43:01	Aryan	Hi
2021-09-22 14:43:27	Aryan	Should I necessarily have a domain to share my mirror on https://archlinux.org/mirrors/status/tier/2/ ?
2021-09-22 14:44:45	kib	how else can share your mirror? IDK the answer, just wondering what you are thinking as alternatives
2021-09-22 14:45:04	Aryan	kib, by static IP
2021-09-22 14:45:28	kib	hmm I don't think you can. Imagine the pain :D
2021-09-22 14:45:56	kib	Aryan's /etc/pacman.conf - 69.69.69.69 😛
2021-09-22 14:46:44	baltazar	hi! anyone getting `x86/cup: SGX disabled by BIOS.` on every boot on an HP ProBook? I can't find any option to enable it in the bios
2021-09-22 14:47:30	baltazar	am I just blind or should I just set the nosgx boot option?
2021-09-22 14:47:51	kib	I have a probook no error like this
2021-09-22 14:47:56	kib	I use uefi and systemd-boot
2021-09-22 14:48:09	kib	my model is hp probook 440 g2
2021-09-22 14:48:29	baltazar	kib: mine is g4
2021-09-22 14:49:47	kib	https://techlibrary.hpe.com/docs/iss/proliant_uefi/UEFI_Edgeline_103117/GUID-5B0A4E24-26B7-46CC-8A12-5C403A14B466.html not sure you want to enable this....
2021-09-22 14:49:48	phrik	Title: Enabling the Intel Software Guard Extensions (SGX) (at techlibrary.hpe.com)
2021-09-22 14:59:38	kib	baltazar: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/how-to-blacklist-intel-sgx/68519 check this out
2021-09-22 14:59:39	phrik	Title: How to blacklist Intel SGX? - Kernel - Manjaro Linux Forum (at forum.manjaro.org)
2021-09-22 15:02:28	ponies	kib: why link to manjaro docs? 
2021-09-22 15:02:40	ponies	!archlinux 
2021-09-22 15:02:40	phrik	Livin' life on the hemorrhaging edge!
2021-09-22 15:03:10	baltazar	kib: arch forums recommended appending nosgx to the kernel command line, which does hide the message at least
2021-09-22 15:03:28	kib	ponies: I hope that isn't a serious question
2021-09-22 15:03:58	baltazar	now I'm only left with a bunch of ACPI errors during startup
2021-09-22 15:04:04	ponies	kib: well, its not because its rhetorical
2021-09-22 15:04:13	kib	great ponies :D
2021-09-22 15:04:29	kib	baltazar: tfw uses arch linux... ;D
2021-09-22 15:05:15	kib	so I noticed xbps is in the AUR, why?
2021-09-22 15:05:22	kib	does it serve any purpose even?
2021-09-22 15:05:50	jelle	kib: rpm/deb is also in our repos
2021-09-22 15:05:52	kib	wtf dnf is there too!
2021-09-22 15:06:11	kib	yeah exactly but why? isn't it a terrible idea to use 2 package managers?
2021-09-22 15:08:01	Namarrgon	it is but the tools are handy when you need to manipulate foreign systems/packages
2021-09-22 15:08:24	kib	ah I see 
2021-09-22 15:09:32	jelle	kib: I need rpm for work to build packages :)
2021-09-22 15:09:49	jelle	kib: and dpkg can be used for debootstrap
2021-09-22 15:10:00	jelle	and building packages ofc
2021-09-22 15:10:01	kib	woah I never thought of that
2021-09-22 15:12:37	baltazar	are any of these serious / can I do anything about them? http://ix.io/3zDZ
2021-09-22 15:33:40	susi	I've been pleased after switching to yescrypt, as per https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/71393 :-)
2021-09-22 15:33:57	susi	wish Arch will some day adapt it like Fedora
2021-09-22 15:52:56	susi	is there an easier way to launch urxvt w/o extensions but -pe -a,-b,-c,-d...?
2021-09-22 15:59:38	bjourne	Namarrgon: you were right, the proprietary nvidia drivers fixed my issues
2021-09-22 16:18:05	mkoskar	susi: without all extension?
2021-09-22 16:18:28	susi	mkoskar: yep
2021-09-22 16:20:30	mkoskar	susi: --perl-ext-common '' seems to work
2021-09-22 16:21:41	susi	mkoskar: thanks :-)
2021-09-22 17:07:43	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-22 17:28:29	chipps	Hi, how can I search the pacman database to find which package provides a certain file?
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2021-09-22 17:28:57	mingdao	susi: And if we can't answer you here, there is #rxvt-unicode
2021-09-22 17:29:35	thrice	!pacman-file
2021-09-22 17:29:36	phrik	Find out what package owns a file, even if the package isn't installed. pacman -Fy <file> (similar to !pkgfile)
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2021-09-22 17:30:00	chipps	!pkgfile
2021-09-22 17:30:01	phrik	pkgfile is a tool to find out what package owns a file, even if said package is not installed. pacman -S pkgfile; pkgfile -u; pkgfile <file>
2021-09-22 17:30:16	chipps	noice
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2021-09-22 17:30:24	chipps	thanks thrice and phrik 
2021-09-22 17:30:38	mingdao	thrice: Just curious, is `pacman -Fy <file>` more accurate than `pkgfile <file>`?
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2021-09-22 17:30:53	mingdao	phrik be's a bot
2021-09-22 17:30:54	phrik	mingdao: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
2021-09-22 17:30:55	thrice	accurate?
2021-09-22 17:31:01	mingdao	Or preferred?
2021-09-22 17:31:15	mingdao	Why would you use `pacman -Fy <file>` rather than `pkgfile <file>`?
2021-09-22 17:31:25	mingdao	IDK how to ask it more clearly.
2021-09-22 17:31:25	thrice	because pacman is always installed on the system
2021-09-22 17:31:36	mingdao	Okay, that works.  Thanks.  ;)
2021-09-22 17:31:38	thrice	pkgfile is faster, I think
2021-09-22 17:31:43	mingdao	much more
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2021-09-22 17:32:15	thrice	but some prefer not having to install separate tools, because of the bl0at
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2021-09-22 17:33:02	mingdao	I used to think pkgfile was part of that base-devel group, until the latest Arch system I installed.
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2021-09-22 17:34:30	vd	I have a fixed size btrfs partition at the end of my disk, with remaining space after. I would like to resize it to use the remaining space. Do I need to delete and recreate the partition?
2021-09-22 17:34:52	vd	(I need to script it in fact, so no interacting tool)
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2021-09-22 17:37:36	susi	mingdao: I know there is, but mkoskar found the perfect answer
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2021-09-22 17:38:21	The-Compiler	mingdao: pkgfile is much older than pacman -Fy. Since pacman -F was introduced, I personally never saw a reason to use pkgfile anymore.
2021-09-22 17:38:32	kill	will it take too many weeks for gnome 41 to land arch repos
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2021-09-22 17:40:50	phrik	When it's ready. ™
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2021-09-22 18:14:28	chipps	!paste
2021-09-22 18:14:28	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2021-09-22 18:49:26	tatsumaru	hey guys, my system isn't disply font-family: fantasy. What kind of font do I need to install to make it work?
2021-09-22 18:49:26	tatsumaru	isn't displaying*
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2021-09-22 18:49:48	mingdao	The-Compiler: k, thanks for your response
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2021-09-22 18:54:57	Tom^	tatsumaru: probably one of the ttf-ms-win10 or such fonts
2021-09-22 18:55:20	teraflops	tatsumaru: isn't displaying where, CSS website, terminal, DE menus, web browser?
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2021-09-22 18:57:15	tatsumaru	terraflops: browser, css website
2021-09-22 18:57:21	tatsumaru	teraflops*
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2021-09-22 18:58:15	teraflops	tatsumaru: check that you include a link to the actual font in the CSS if you know where is hosted
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2021-09-22 18:58:33	teraflops	as in google fonts or whatever
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2021-09-22 20:53:15	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2021-09-22 20:53:15	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1360 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1359 normals)
2021-09-22 19:29:17	susi	any ideas what's this about? https://0x0.st/-37H.txt
2021-09-22 19:35:23	Luyin	hi, my dark theme for the GUI seems to be broken. I used to have everything in dark, like Thunar, evince... all used a dark theme (I can't remember which, but I think it was Arc-Dark) - now, when I select this theme (or any other, for that matter) in xfce4-appearance-settings, nothing changes, particularly the theme doesn't get dark. This has started occurring a few days ago after an update -
2021-09-22 19:35:25	Luyin	the last update before was maybe a week earlier. Not sure what exactly is broken here. How do I even go about figuring this out?
2021-09-22 19:44:30	Luyin	ah nvm, seems a reboot did the trick
2021-09-22 19:44:36	Luyin	maybe whatever was broken got fixed :D
2021-09-22 19:54:04	seanicus	what are the advantages people get from changing the default shell?
2021-09-22 19:54:37	seanicus	is it all aesthetic things or does it actually help workflow?
2021-09-22 19:54:41	Mathisen	"better" auto completion 
2021-09-22 19:55:18	frojnd	I don't know if this is the right channel to ask but anyways... I need a new keyboard and am looking at: https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k6-non-backlight-wireless-mechanical-keyboard?variant=39431214399577 it's 65% mechanical keyboard but I'm not sure if it has print screen key and pause/break key? Or is this something that can be programmed?
2021-09-22 19:55:19	phrik	Title: Keychron K6 Non-Backlight Wireless Mechanical Keyboard (at www.keychron.com)
2021-09-22 19:56:32	seanicus	Are there shells that store the time a command was started into an environmental variable?  Also, are there shells that make it so that you can capture the output of a command *after* it ran?  That is, if you forgot to do something like mycommand > outputfile and you don't or can't copy and paste
2021-09-22 19:59:40	edgy	Hi, I need to copy files recursively in my PKGBUILD, is the recommendation to use **/*.[ot]tf syntax and enable shopt -s globstar before that? or shall I just do it manually */*.[ot]tf *.[ot]tf ?
2021-09-22 20:00:04	edgy	actually I thought globstar is enabled by default
2021-09-22 20:02:56	dav1d	frojnd, I actually have that right now
2021-09-22 20:03:41	dav1d	frojnd, I dont think it has those keys, but I also never went looking for them, since there are 2 Fn keys, maybe there is a combination
2021-09-22 20:06:51	frojnd	dav1d: you have keycron k6? Can you tell me if it works in bt mode and with cable?
2021-09-22 20:07:29	dav1d	sec, I'll test again, I cant remember if I ever set it up
2021-09-22 20:09:03	frojnd	...and it also can connect up to 3 devices. 
2021-09-22 20:09:30	frojnd	I have 2 laptops on the desk. Would be amazing if I could just switch between devices from keyboard itself
2021-09-22 20:09:47	dav1d	pretty sure I had it setup with my pc and old laptop (both bt)
2021-09-22 20:09:52	frojnd	Or one in BT mode and one on USB mode
2021-09-22 20:09:54	dav1d	but let me make sure
2021-09-22 20:10:06	frojnd	dav1d: amazing. How did you switch between computers?
2021-09-22 20:10:25	erock	I just use a usb switch for my peripherals between two computers
2021-09-22 20:10:31	dav1d	there is different fn combination for each device
2021-09-22 20:10:48	dav1d	so fn+1 = con1, fn+2 = con2 etc.
2021-09-22 20:11:00	dav1d	(just that it's on q,w,e and I cant remember the combination)
2021-09-22 20:11:36	frojnd	Aha makes sense there is bt symbol on q,w,e
2021-09-22 20:12:32	frojnd	Wht key combination do you use for printScreen?
2021-09-22 20:12:46	frojnd	I didn't see printScreen text either with fn1 or fn2
2021-09-22 20:12:54	frojnd	Also pause/berak
2021-09-22 20:12:55	dav1d	I am only using it for minimal typing on my windows pc, so I actually dont need it
2021-09-22 20:13:01	frojnd	s/pauseBerak/pauseBreak
2021-09-22 20:13:09	LuksNuke	hello
2021-09-22 20:13:18	erock	hello
2021-09-22 20:13:20	dav1d	it does have media keys for pause, if that's what you're looking for
2021-09-22 20:13:37	LuksNuke	how to permanently rmmod uvcvideo because the driver is reloaded at every reboot
2021-09-22 20:13:39	LuksNuke	?
2021-09-22 20:14:27	LuksNuke	it is the webcam driver
2021-09-22 20:14:36	frojnd	dav1d: no no... the pause/break key not sure what they are used for lol but am using it to enter mode_system in sway
2021-09-22 20:15:10	LuksNuke	i could do a system service. but i bet it's the most straightforward solution
2021-09-22 20:15:17	LuksNuke	it's not*
2021-09-22 20:15:37	frojnd	dav1d: anyways what about the height of the keyboard, do u need a palm rest?
2021-09-22 20:16:25	dav1d	frojnd, oh I do everything via meta key in i3
2021-09-22 20:16:38	dav1d	frojnd, I do not, but I also have very long fingers
2021-09-22 20:17:04	dav1d	frojnd, currently cant connect it to my pc (I can pair it, but it breaks right after), I remember having that issue before, just cant remember what I had to install
2021-09-22 20:17:07	dav1d	lemmy check
2021-09-22 20:18:51	frojnd	What is meta key
2021-09-22 20:18:59	dav1d	ah, myb, the windows key
2021-09-22 20:19:17	frojnd	mod key then
2021-09-22 20:19:35	dav1d	yeah my head is just somewhere else today
2021-09-22 20:20:10	LuksNuke	just blacklisted it in /etc/modprobe.d
2021-09-22 20:20:14	LuksNuke	problem solved
2021-09-22 20:20:33	frojnd	No but I also have mode_system with window key: $mod (which is Mod4 - windows) + Pause
2021-09-22 20:25:21	dav1d	frojnd, so it's working fine on my old laptop, not on my new one though
2021-09-22 20:27:33	frojnd	dav1d: in bt mode?
2021-09-22 20:28:20	dav1d	frojnd, yeah, cable is fine
2021-09-22 20:28:34	dav1d	I remember missing some package, but I cant figure out what it was
2021-09-22 20:28:50	dav1d	oh
2021-09-22 20:28:53	dav1d	a reboot fixed it
2021-09-22 20:30:10	frojnd	dav1d: can someone reprogram or change key function e.g. change del to end?
2021-09-22 20:31:10	dav1d	frojnd, I dont think you can on the hardware, but probably can remap it within the OS (X/Wayland etc.)
2021-09-22 20:31:26	frojnd	Ok
2021-09-22 20:31:33	frojnd	Thank you!
2021-09-22 20:32:05	dav1d	no worries, idk what's going on with my 2nd laptop it's a bit fucky with the bt (but audio devices work fine)
2021-09-22 20:35:09	frojnd	Oh just one more q. Can u plug usb into one laptop and then swtich to another one connected via bt?
2021-09-22 20:35:32	frojnd	Will it switch to the bt one if usb cable is plugged?
2021-09-22 20:35:46	frojnd	Or is usb/bt exclusive?
2021-09-22 20:38:44	dav1d	yeah you can switch, but you need to use the hardware switch for that
2021-09-22 20:38:57	dav1d	you swap between bt and cable mode, not via fn key but with a physical switch
2021-09-22 20:39:19	frojnd	The one on the left side
2021-09-22 20:39:19	dav1d	so it's not quite as smooth but not terrible
2021-09-22 20:39:23	dav1d	yeah
2021-09-22 20:39:26	elichai2	Tom^: here?
2021-09-22 20:39:37	Tom^	elichai2: yeah
2021-09-22 20:41:03	elichai2	Tom^: Great, should I start by removing everything related to bumblebee? 
2021-09-22 20:41:33	elichai2	I also see you're messing with Xorg and xrandr stuff, that won't affect the fact that it's a laptop and I sometimes have different displays, different resulotions, etc, right?
2021-09-22 20:42:02	Tom^	elichai2: shouldnt no
2021-09-22 20:42:19	Tom^	elichai2: my hdmi output is listed in xrandr so it should work, i assume so atleast.
2021-09-22 20:43:10	Tom^	elichai2: but yeah, remove bumblebee and all its xorg.conf.d xorg.conf it has created, then its pretty much just create a similiar xorg.conf to me. and i guess it depends if you use xf86-video-intel or modesetting
2021-09-22 20:44:00	elichai2	I don't know which of them I use 😅
2021-09-22 20:44:32	Tom^	elichai2: well your xorg.log will tell
2021-09-22 20:47:58	elichai2	Tom^: I uninstalled `optimus-manager, primus, bumblebee`, and I don't think I have any xorg files (just a _old one)
2021-09-22 20:50:02	Tom^	elichai2: if xf86-video-intel is installed and used you just need something like this http://ix.io/3zGr , the busid might differ tho. lspci -v will tell
2021-09-22 20:53:16	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-22 20:54:04	elichai2	Tom^: I'm getting a SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG on that link
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2021-09-22 20:54:50	elichai2	Nope, sorry it's an internet problem here my mistake
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2021-09-22 20:55:40	Tom^	heh
2021-09-22 20:58:01	elichai2	Tom^: xf86-video-intel isn't installed, should I install it?
2021-09-22 20:58:14	Tom^	elichai2: then you are using modesetting
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2021-09-22 20:58:30	elichai2	which is preferred? 
2021-09-22 20:58:55	Tom^	i think modesetting
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2021-09-22 21:00:04	Tom^	elichai2: http://ix.io/3zGu then something like this. and busid from lspci 
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2021-09-22 21:00:42	elichai2	Tom^: and save it in `/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/02-intel-nvidia-gpu.conf`?
2021-09-22 21:00:52	Tom^	elichai2: yeah
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2021-09-23 17:13:50	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2021-09-23 12:07:29	noha_boat	should i replace libseatd with seatd? I don't know why I am being asked this during upgrade?
2021-09-23 12:08:19	Namarrgon	replacements are generally safe to accept, unless you meddled with any of the involved components manually
2021-09-23 12:09:05	Sid_	yes, you should do this upgrade. The package name changed. The commit message says it's to follow upstream naming.
2021-09-23 12:09:23	vicecea	grawity: downgrading glib2 fixed it, thanks again!
2021-09-23 12:10:18	Aryan	How can I get noticed by mail if someone successfully ssh'ed to my machine?
2021-09-23 12:11:27	Guy1524	awesome, thanks a ton, that seemed to work!  Now I'll figure out how to do the (more permanent I assume) solution of moving block before autodetect
2021-09-23 12:12:58	noha_boat	@Namarrgon no I didn't meddle. Thanks I will upgrade, I was afraid so didn't upgrade since this message appeared.
2021-09-23 12:13:04	Sid_	Aryan: depends what you want, what infrastructure you have etc. You could go full hog, setting up an ELK stack, then use something like yelp's elastalert to create alerts for arbitrary logs. This is quite a heavy solution, suitable in a professionally environment if you want arbitrary alerts on some logs (system or application). Not suitable is that's the only...
2021-09-23 12:13:08	Sid_	... alert you want. If that's the only alert, then just cook up some bash/python/whatever to periodically grep the journal and conditionally fire an email
2021-09-23 12:15:10	noha_boat	thanks Sid I will upgrade
2021-09-23 12:18:00	Aryan	Sid_ thanks
2021-09-23 12:20:19	Guy1524	so changing the hook order from HOOKS=(base udev autodetect modconf block filesystems keyboard fsck) to `HOOKS=(base udev block autodetect modconf filesystems keyboard fsck)` should work too?
2021-09-23 12:20:32	Sid_	Aryan: Or use https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/python-systemd/journal.html#accessing-the-journal to watch the journal, might be easier than periodically searching the journal, might not
2021-09-23 12:20:34	phrik	Title: systemd.journal module — python-systemd 234 documentation (at www.freedesktop.org)
2021-09-23 12:20:45	Namarrgon	Guy1524: it should, if you don't forget to rebuild the initramfs images after the edit
2021-09-23 12:21:23	Guy1524	great, thx
2021-09-23 12:26:27	elichai2	Tom^: Yeah.. Thank you very much anyway for the help
2021-09-23 12:29:33	Tom^	elichai2: might be kde or something else stupid holding it active tbh
2021-09-23 12:29:37	hendry	do people use grep replacements? I need a way to ignore node_modules
2021-09-23 12:29:56	elichai2	Tom^: is there a way to check what's activating it?
2021-09-23 12:30:10	Tom^	elichai2: havent figured that out yet. havent fiddled with this that long
2021-09-23 12:49:02	Tom^	if only this crap was open source >.<
2021-09-23 13:06:51	Tom^	elichai2: atleast managed to get it to stop wake on xrandr and other silly things. Option "AutoBindGPU" "false" to ServerFlags in xorg.conf , however meaning the hdmi output wont show unless i manually use xrandr --setprovideroffloadsink / --setprovideroutputsource before hand. weho
2021-09-23 13:07:20	Tom^	i dont use anything else then the laptop monitor anyhow so thats fine for me
2021-09-23 13:24:46	elichai2	nah I move my laptop around a lot, with multiple external dislays
2021-09-23 13:39:43	dbdii407_	!paste
2021-09-23 13:39:43	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-09-23 13:42:45	dbdii407_	I've been trying to have a script start up after it connects to the network, but it's not running on boot. I've had it enabled in systemd. Here's the files I have. https://gist.github.com/dbdii407/d591c298bf3385adf22862a3394bbc8b Anyone happen to know why this is?
2021-09-23 13:42:54	dbdii407_	I've also chmod'd it
2021-09-23 14:00:53	cloudhead	Namarrgon: fwiw I managed to fix it by adding  no-allow-external-cache to the gpg-agent config, I guess it was trying to fetch data remotely and hanging
2021-09-23 14:45:33	heyther76	Hello:)
2021-09-23 14:45:44	NetSysFire	!welcomerpg
2021-09-23 14:45:45	phrik	Greetings, observer of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get ravaged on this day?
2021-09-23 14:46:30	heyther76	Im just installing arch and came across the term NVRAM. Where is this NVRAM located where efibootmgr writes to? Is it on the ssd or another part of the motherboard?
2021-09-23 14:47:02	heyther76	Thank you for the nice welcome.
2021-09-23 14:47:15	NetSysFire	its on another part of the motherboard
2021-09-23 14:47:22	NetSysFire	its where the boot entries are stored
2021-09-23 14:47:57	HuntsMan	NVRAM = Non Volatile RAM
2021-09-23 14:48:35	heyther76	Thank you!:) So if I somehow mess it up how do I "reset it"? since the NVRAM doesn't need power to store information its not just removing a battery on the motherboard for some seconds?
2021-09-23 14:48:55	NetSysFire	yes that resets the bios settings but depending on your hardware it may be trickier
2021-09-23 14:49:05	NetSysFire	but usually its hard to mess it up unless its some weird laptop
2021-09-23 14:50:55	heyther76	okay. so is it sufficient to type in efibootmgr copy the output of the NVRAM save it somewhere to be able to restore it if something goes wrong? 
2021-09-23 14:52:10	NetSysFire	yes and no, there are cases when you cant even boot to recover but most screw ups are very easy to fix
2021-09-23 14:52:24	NetSysFire	like typo'ing a path, moving the binary around, this is all no big deal
2021-09-23 14:52:46	heyther76	okay thank you for your help!
2021-09-23 14:54:25	NetSysFire	this should be fixed already but it was possible to screw up bad when you arch-chrooted in and rm -rf / since it also removed the efivarfs
2021-09-23 14:54:37	NetSysFire	this hard bricked some laptops, primarily thinkpads
2021-09-23 16:51:40	heyther76	in order for a new user to be able to use sudo and use audio and video output one has to add the new user only to the wheel group right? the arch wiki states that audio and video groups are pre systemd groups... is this correct?
2021-09-23 16:53:57	Flexyjerkov	meh i dunno
2021-09-23 16:54:01	Flexyjerkov	audio just works
2021-09-23 16:54:28	Flexyjerkov	presuming you got pulseaudio/alsa or jack etc...
2021-09-23 16:55:14	heyther76	thanks!
2021-09-23 17:13:51	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-23 17:29:29	heyther76	Any ideas why the grub bootloader isnt showing after a fresh arch install? it just boots into windows 10...
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2021-09-23 17:35:53	heyther76	OK I managed to boot up arch but I had to chose to boot from another device and from there grub bootloader. Any ideas why grub isnt the first EFI application being started on boot up but windows boot manager?
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2021-09-23 17:41:31	Namarrgon	you can change the bootorder either with efibootmgr or in the firmware
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2021-09-23 17:43:25	f1refly	what would be the best way to set up a filesystem/directory structure where everyone has rw access and everyone can modify everything?
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2021-09-23 17:43:49	f1refly	kind of a "permissionsless space" like fat32
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2021-09-23 17:52:08	HEX0	f1refly: you could add a mount option in fstab. there's mode and group and a few others
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2021-09-23 17:54:24	f1refly	is it possible without using specific client configuration? think of an exernal harddrive 
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2021-09-23 17:56:46	heyther76	thanks I just figured out that changing hard disk drive bss priorities does the trick
2021-09-23 17:56:48	f1refly	i know that group and owner permissions can be made sticky, but i havent figured out if thats possible for other as well
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2021-09-23 18:02:19	HEX0	f1refly: with PARTUUID or UUID set mount options and have it remember?
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2021-09-23 18:04:11	heyther76	 is there a way for the grub bootloader to be started in full HD resolution? the resolution changes after selecting the arch Linux installation but grub is still being shown in a lower resolution.
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2021-09-23 18:06:39	HEX0	heyther76: maybe this https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/grub.html#gfxmode
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2021-09-23 18:06:40	phrik	Title: GNU GRUB Manual 2.06 (at www.gnu.org)
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2021-09-23 18:08:32	f1refly	that way i'd still have to set it up for every machine, right?
2021-09-23 18:08:49	f1refly	so nothing where the filesystem goes "yeah everyone may do everything here" by itself
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2021-09-23 18:13:12	HEX0	f1refly: unless it's possible to use external drive as fuse filesystem idk
2021-09-23 18:16:39	negen	I was going through journalctl -b looking for due to ath11k being wonky at the moment and noticed this error message;  Unknown command line parameters: cryptdevice=UUID=<UUID>:vg0
2021-09-23 18:16:39	negen	is there anything I need to change to correct this in the arch.conf ? 
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2021-09-23 18:16:39	negen	this installation is a couple years old and I forgot exactly which method of encryption I used 
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2021-09-23 18:17:26	another|	is your initramfs busybox or systemd-based?
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2021-09-23 18:21:26	negen	the wiki must have changed since I installed this as I cannot even find any reference to using /dev/mapper/vg0  I so I am a bit lost where to begain to look 
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2021-09-23 18:24:58	negen	I believe i used lvm on luks but honestly I cannot remember 
2021-09-23 18:25:29	negen	I am a bit surprised that the system even boots if it cannot reconize that line 
2021-09-23 18:25:35	another|	cryptdevice is for busybox-based systems
2021-09-23 18:25:46	another|	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/System_configuration
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2021-09-23 18:25:47	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/System configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-09-23 18:37:22	negen	ok so according that wiki page I must be using busybox the mkinitcpio.conf looks correct 
2021-09-23 18:38:45	negen	I am still not sure if I should worry about the uknown command line paramaters message for cryptdevice=UUID=<UUID>:vg0 
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2021-09-23 18:39:24	seiryn	Hello, I can't understand what is going on with pacman : archlinux.org say the version , let's say sudo, is 1.8.9.p2-1, however pacman, after doing `pacman -Syu` say sudo is up-to-date but say the version is 1.9.7-p1.1
2021-09-23 18:39:39	seiryn	and it's like this for every package
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2021-09-23 18:40:55	ttnk	hi, im having issues with NetworkManager, if i connect with wifi i get a default route but if i connect with cable i dont and i have to add it manually, what could it be wrong?
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2021-09-23 18:50:09	negen	seiryn: https://archlinux.org/packages/?q=sudo   it also says 1.9.8p2-1 I do not see any of the version numbers you see I wonder whats going on
2021-09-23 18:50:12	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
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2021-09-23 18:52:32	seiryn	negen: yeah, bruh i inverted , i was talking about 1.9.8.p2-1, but pacman say the version is 1.9.7-p1-1
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2021-09-23 18:53:55	nepexoga	well i got my novnc & websockify installed on arch. novnc is obtainable from the web so this is a bad idea https://snapcraft.io/install/novnc/arch this is an even worse idea https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/websockify/ you actually want this https://pypi.org/project/websockify/0.9.0/ & run the setup.py yourself via python-setuptools
2021-09-23 18:53:56	phrik	Title: Install noVNC on Arch Linux using the Snap Store | Snapcraft (at snapcraft.io)
2021-09-23 18:55:16	nepexoga	somethings wrong with websockify 0.10.0 as well & its unclear what o.O
2021-09-23 18:57:58	negen	seiryn: maybe your mirror list isn't updated or synced yet ? i had that issue once then i added more mirrors not sure i am already lost in other issues 
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2021-09-23 19:03:11	seiryn	negen : omg i didn't updated it since 2020, it's probably why
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2021-09-23 19:46:16	pulec	so fresh arch install uefi
2021-09-23 19:46:31	pulec	on gpt partition table let's make that 1024kb partition for grub magic:
2021-09-23 19:47:14	pulec	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#GUID_Partition_Table_(GPT)_specific_instructions
2021-09-23 19:47:16	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-23 19:47:26	pulec	then install some uefi related packages when installing grub
2021-09-23 19:47:31	pulec	hm and that should be it
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2021-09-23 19:50:53	hannes_	hey, i am trying to build the aur package pdal-git but it fails to find my installed laszip [community]
2021-09-23 19:50:54	hannes_	https://github.com/PDAL/PDAL/issues/3380#issue-818319862
2021-09-23 19:51:05	hannes_	any idea how to fix that?
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2021-09-23 19:52:50	heythere221	I have a laptop with an Intel CPU and an nvidia dedicated GPU. does it automatically mean I have to follow the nvidia optimus guide on the arch wiki to install the appropriate graphics drivers?
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2021-09-23 19:54:20	hannes_	heythere221: yes :) good luck!
2021-09-23 19:54:28	heythere221	thanks!
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2021-09-23 19:55:18	scrumplex	heythere221: most laptops allow you to set the primary GPU in the BIOS. So if you don't need the nvidia card, you can set it to the iGPU and don't install anything for NVIDIA
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2021-09-23 19:57:03	another|	pulec: Please note that this is in the section "BIOS systems". A bios boot partition is not required on UEFI
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2021-09-23 19:57:48	pulec	oh, such realization, lol thx another| 
2021-09-23 19:58:15	pulec	I probably tried it before and failed to install grub so I just went back to legacy grub boot and that complains about the gpt
2021-09-23 19:59:10	Strykar	I ran today's updates and post reboot, I see this when I login - https://i.imgur.com/kwwur0Y.png How do I figure out which app is requesting access?
2021-09-23 20:00:04	pulec	is that gnome? doesn't it have some autorun apps?
2021-09-23 20:00:21	Strykar	it is gnome, none of the autorun apps have requested screen sharing
2021-09-23 20:00:25	heythere221	@scrumplex thx for the hint didn't think about it! I need my dedicated GPU tho :D
2021-09-23 20:00:29	Strykar	..in the past
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2021-09-23 20:02:05	scrumplex	heythere221: Well then your best bet would be to follow the NVIDIA Optimus documentation on the ArchWiki :D
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2021-09-23 20:08:00	heythere221	yes on it ;)
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2021-09-23 20:15:37	teraflops	you can do more setups now with optimus powered laptops than before
2021-09-23 20:16:08	teraflops	I luckily do not have one anymore ;)
2021-09-23 20:17:04	teraflops	those things usually get too hot
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2021-09-23 20:20:50	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-23 20:27:10	topcat001	The precise setup depends on how new the GPU is, how it is wired to the ports, etc. Make sure you look up these details. In my experience things generally work fine, but the setup requires a bit of research.
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2021-09-23 20:29:07	topcat001	No optimus laptop I have tried runs cool when that gpu is powered up - it's just too power hungry.
2021-09-23 20:29:08	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-09-23 20:29:24	teraflops	yeah
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2021-09-23 20:30:46	topcat001	My decision tree is simple, for GPU < Turing, I use nvidia-xcrun for the best performnace, otherwise I use the official prime offload feature since on newer GPUs it can completely power the card off.
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2021-09-23 20:31:15	ℹ 	tigr es conocido ahora como tigrmesh
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2021-09-23 20:31:52	topcat001	nvidia-xrun even
2021-09-23 20:32:48	ℹ 	Gustavo6046_ es conocido ahora como Gustavo6046
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2021-09-23 20:48:57	rabbitnightmare	ok so I bought a laptop that is known for Linux compatibility with the wifi, and historically I would simply iwctl from terminal but is there a way to use KDE or Gnome to pick the wifi, if so how?
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2021-09-23 20:49:56	MacGyver	*Historically* you would use iwctl?
2021-09-23 20:50:01	MacGyver	You're a youn'un, aren't you?
2021-09-23 20:50:17	MacGyver	Anyway, from within gnome I'd say networkmanager.
2021-09-23 20:50:19	rabbitnightmare	what the hell is a youn'un?
2021-09-23 20:50:24	MacGyver	young on.
2021-09-23 20:50:27	MacGyver	young one*
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2021-09-23 20:51:15	rabbitnightmare	ok so I have network manager installed, this is a fresh install with KDE and it is not showing up in the system tray
2021-09-23 20:51:20	MacGyver	KDE I'd also say networkmanager.
2021-09-23 20:51:21	iio7	I have just upgraded a box, reinstalled zfs-dkms and zfs-utils, rebooted, yet I get "modprobe: FATAL: Module zfs not found in directory /lib/modules/5.14.7-arch1-1"
2021-09-23 20:51:22	rabbitnightmare	I can reinstall arch with gnome
2021-09-23 20:51:44	MacGyver	But I'm not sure how KDE manages its tray.
2021-09-23 20:51:45	rabbitnightmare	it has a touch screen
2021-09-23 20:52:05	rabbitnightmare	MacGyver so it will just work with network manager?
2021-09-23 20:52:34	rabbitnightmare	gnome with a touch screen might be nice
2021-09-23 20:52:42	MacGyver	Well it'll also work with iwd and there might be KDE GUI frontends for that.
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2021-09-23 20:53:34	rabbitnightmare	I did not install iwd
2021-09-23 20:53:41	MacGyver	rabbitnightmare: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NetworkManager#KDE_Plasma
2021-09-23 20:53:42	phrik	Title: NetworkManager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-23 20:53:54	MacGyver	For networkmanager.
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2021-09-23 20:54:05	rabbitnightmare	tyvm
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2021-09-23 20:54:43	rabbitnightmare	ill just reinstall with gnome
2021-09-23 20:54:50	rabbitnightmare	seems more straight forward for this use case
2021-09-23 20:55:03	MacGyver	The reason I called you a young one is that iwd, from which you would use iwctl, has only really started replacing wpa_supplicant in the past three years.
2021-09-23 20:55:16	PocketKiller	I don't think just WiFi should be the reason why you'd pick KDE or GNOME
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2021-09-23 20:58:45	Franciman	Hi all, does anybody use miracast to their tv, by chance?
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2021-09-23 21:07:16	thursdaylark	Franciman: what issues are you having?
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2021-09-23 21:08:39	Franciman	thursdaylark: I'd like to setup a similar system
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2021-09-23 21:09:00	Franciman	I am able to connect to the television through miraclecast, but then I don't know how to start the streaming of my desktop
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2021-09-23 21:12:29	teraflops	gnome has such feature but I did not try it for a long time, so I honestly do not know how it works
2021-09-23 21:13:02	rabbitnightmare	Franciman I switched to streaming only
2021-09-23 21:13:20	rabbitnightmare	its such a hassle to set up
2021-09-23 21:13:49	rabbitnightmare	MacGyver yeah I remember wpa_supplicant and its similar enough
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2021-09-23 21:14:42	rabbitnightmare	I remember KDE Plasma used to work OOB with wpa_supplicant and only recently did I care enough to switch to a gui
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2021-09-23 21:16:32	teraflops	!wtf is gnome-network-displays
2021-09-23 21:16:34	phrik	teraflops: What the hell is gnome-network-displays?
2021-09-23 21:16:39	teraflops	:(
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2021-09-23 21:19:26	Franciman	rabbitnightmare: what do you use for streaming?
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2021-09-23 21:20:54	chipps	hey peeps, how do I check which files will be installed by a package without installing it?
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2021-09-23 21:22:07	rabbitnightmare	Franciman obs studio
2021-09-23 21:22:20	rabbitnightmare	oh you mean tv
2021-09-23 21:22:24	rabbitnightmare	hbo max
2021-09-23 21:22:28	rabbitnightmare	amazon prime
2021-09-23 21:22:33	rabbitnightmare	google chrome
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2021-09-23 21:23:48	Franciman	I see
2021-09-23 21:23:49	Franciman	thank
2021-09-23 21:23:52	Franciman	thanks
2021-09-23 21:23:57	Franciman	I don't have google chrome there :<
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2021-09-23 21:24:09	rabbitnightmare	you have to install it from aur
2021-09-23 21:24:10	thursdaylark	!give chipps pacman-file
2021-09-23 21:24:11	phrik	chipps: Find out what package owns a file, even if the package isn't installed. pacman -Fy <file> (similar to !pkgfile)
2021-09-23 21:24:16	rabbitnightmare	yay -S google-chrome
2021-09-23 21:24:34	rabbitnightmare	wamu requires chrome or edge
2021-09-23 21:24:48	rabbitnightmare	I use google docs for work related stuff
2021-09-23 21:24:57	Franciman	rabbitnightmare: oh I mean on the TV
2021-09-23 21:24:58	rabbitnightmare	file taxes etc all with chrome
2021-09-23 21:25:09	rabbitnightmare	I have an arch powered box on my tv
2021-09-23 21:25:14	Franciman	that's so cool!
2021-09-23 21:25:24	rabbitnightmare	just a laptop with a dead screen
2021-09-23 21:25:28	rabbitnightmare	bt kb and mouse
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2021-09-23 21:27:49	rabbitnightmare	I use Arch on everything I have
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2021-09-23 21:28:39	NetSysFire	my condolences
2021-09-23 21:28:40	rabbitnightmare	I could make my life easier by using ubuntu and kubuntu but meh
2021-09-23 21:28:47	rabbitnightmare	NetSysFire works fine
2021-09-23 21:28:51	NetSysFire	!as
2021-09-23 21:28:52	phrik	Arch Sucks™
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2021-09-23 21:28:58	rabbitnightmare	lol
2021-09-23 21:29:15	rabbitnightmare	only issues I run into are during the installation onto new hardware
2021-09-23 21:29:20	rabbitnightmare	or older hardware
2021-09-23 21:29:58	rabbitnightmare	I have tried to like debian
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2021-09-23 21:30:05	rabbitnightmare	its too out of date
2021-09-23 21:30:12	rabbitnightmare	rpm distros are a mess
2021-09-23 21:30:39	rabbitnightmare	gentoo takes too long to do anything with and is still out of date
2021-09-23 21:30:43	rabbitnightmare	which leaves arch
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2021-09-23 21:31:00	rabbitnightmare	so if Arch sucks, than Linux sucks
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2021-09-23 21:36:21	rabbitnightmare	yeah gnome works OOB with network manager and wifi
2021-09-23 21:36:24	rabbitnightmare	thanks
2021-09-23 21:36:34	rabbitnightmare	touchscreen working so cool
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2021-09-23 21:36:54	rabbitnightmare	gnome is good if you use it as a secondary OS, secondary desktop
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2021-09-23 21:37:23	Gagis	getting a little ranty here
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2021-09-23 21:38:09	ignapk	so, I found rss feeds for package updates for different repositories, but what if I want a single package updates only?
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2021-09-23 21:41:03	thursdaylark	ignapk: I don't think so, unless you can get github to do it somehow, but I don't think that's likely
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2021-09-23 21:41:24	⚡ 	thursdaylark would just filter the rss feed
2021-09-23 21:41:46	ignapk	ok that's sounds like a way to do it
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2021-09-23 21:47:54	teraflops	what gives the RSS feed, XML?
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2021-09-23 21:50:05	jcbjoe2021	hi all how can i download a package by itself? i need the brcmfmac pkg
2021-09-23 21:50:20	jcbjoe2021	what repo would it be in?
2021-09-23 21:50:39	Namarrgon	which guide are you following?
2021-09-23 21:51:03	jcbjoe2021	Namarrgon: its for archlinux on a mac. i need the brcmfmac pkg to install my drivers for wifi
2021-09-23 21:51:25	Namarrgon	okay but which guide are you following? who told you about the brcmfmac package?
2021-09-23 21:51:52	jcbjoe2021	let me get the link
2021-09-23 21:52:18	rabbitnightmare	gosh gnome is easy to use
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2021-09-23 21:52:38	jcbjoe2021	Namarrgon: https://wiki.t2linux.org/guides/wifi/
2021-09-23 21:52:38	phrik	Title: Wifi - t2linux wiki (at wiki.t2linux.org)
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2021-09-23 21:53:09	jcbjoe2021	im at a archlinux prompt right now but no wifi
2021-09-23 21:53:58	ignapk	teraflops: I'm new to RSS but it looks like links here point to xml https://archlinux.org/feeds/
2021-09-23 21:54:00	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - RSS Feeds (at archlinux.org)
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2021-09-23 21:54:17	teraflops	ignapk: I used to use xmllint to parse that things
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2021-09-23 21:55:44	teraflops	jcbjoe2021: I do b43 for my old macbook
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2021-09-23 21:56:30	teraflops	maybe getting the pciid then selecting the right one is a good idea if you did not do so yet https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/broadcom_wireless
2021-09-23 21:56:32	phrik	Title: Broadcom wireless - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-23 21:56:51	thursdaylark	There's also: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration/Wireless#Installing_driver/firmware
2021-09-23 21:56:53	phrik	Title: Network configuration/Wireless - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-09-23 21:57:17	thursdaylark	which doesn't have too much info on its face, but links to all the important places for this kind of problem
2021-09-23 21:57:57	teraflops	iirc there's a wiki place for some macbook models
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2021-09-23 21:58:15	jcbjoe2021	teraflops: yea t2linux.org
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2021-09-23 21:58:25	teraflops	i meant on arch wiki
2021-09-23 21:58:27	thursdaylark	!aw mac
2021-09-23 21:58:28	jcbjoe2021	oh
2021-09-23 21:58:29	phrik	thursdaylark: Mac - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Mac
2021-09-23 21:58:30	teraflops	let me search
2021-09-23 21:58:54	teraflops	yeah that thanks thursdaylark 
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2021-09-23 22:00:31	Namarrgon	for the install you can just download the single firmware file and dump it into /usr/lib/firmware/brcm/brcmfmac4364-pcie.bin
2021-09-23 22:00:58	thursdaylark	ooohhhh, they're trying to install on T2
2021-09-23 22:01:01	jcbjoe2021	Namarrgon: where are you finding this?
2021-09-23 22:01:01	thursdaylark	!alarm
2021-09-23 22:01:02	phrik	If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
2021-09-23 22:01:04	jcbjoe2021	thursdaylark: yea
2021-09-23 22:01:13	Namarrgon	what's a t2?
2021-09-23 22:01:23	thursdaylark	apple's arm processor
2021-09-23 22:01:24	jcbjoe2021	Namarrgon: a macbook pro with t2 chipset
2021-09-23 22:01:26	thursdaylark	2nd gen
2021-09-23 22:01:27	teraflops	what's a T2?
2021-09-23 22:01:35	jcbjoe2021	so you don't boot any other os
2021-09-23 22:01:44	Namarrgon	jcbjoe2021: on the page you linked. if this isn't an x86_64 system then you're in the wrong channel.
2021-09-23 22:01:49	thursdaylark	^
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2021-09-23 22:02:21	teraflops	M1 I guess
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2021-09-23 22:03:41	teraflops	jcbjoe2021: for a M1 does it really worth it? you won't get gpu hw accel
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2021-09-23 22:05:17	thursdaylark	oh wait I was wrong on that
2021-09-23 22:05:56	thursdaylark	T2 is indeed an apple arm SoC, but it's actually a security/hardware helper coprocessor for intel macs
2021-09-23 22:06:11	teraflops	ah, true
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2021-09-23 22:06:20	teraflops	I do not want to start a flame or whatever but I have a MBP 2020 and it's the bert performant laptop I've ever had :P
2021-09-23 22:06:27	teraflops	best rather
2021-09-23 22:06:40	thrice	is that the m1 version?
2021-09-23 22:06:47	thursdaylark	so, back to the wiki's instructions for getting wifi working :P
2021-09-23 22:06:49	teraflops	yep
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2021-09-23 22:09:40	drathir_tor	from curiosity anyone with nvidia closed drivers onboard willing to confirm that opengl (especially with DRI_PRIME=1) works corectly ? also fast check and not see nvidia_dri.so under /usr/lib/dri/... intel however seems working normally...
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2021-09-23 22:09:58	teraflops	jcbjoe2021: so you circumvent the T2 thing?
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2021-09-24 06:37:57	thursdaylark	why not?
2021-09-24 06:38:08	thursdaylark	throw your drop in that bucket as much as you want
2021-09-24 07:10:26	kuroshi	I wasn't aware there was even a working package for spotify
2021-09-24 07:10:35	kuroshi	I thought spotify was just sort of "lol just install snapd"
2021-09-24 07:11:03	thurstylark	there are aur packages for various spotify interfaces including the official one
2021-09-24 07:11:22	kuroshi	which I recall just involves extracting it from the snap
2021-09-24 07:11:23	thurstylark	but by definition of being in the aur they have no guarantee of working :P
2021-09-24 07:11:53	kuroshi	I did not read "virtual machine container" anywhere
2021-09-24 07:12:12	kuroshi	I conflated the two together
2021-09-24 07:12:32	thurstylark	it extracts it from a deb package last time I looked...
2021-09-24 07:12:42	kuroshi	I thought they stopped supplying deb packages
2021-09-24 07:13:23	kuroshi	oh, they didn't
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2021-09-24 07:53:25	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2021-09-24 06:37:57	thursdaylark	why not?
2021-09-24 06:38:08	thursdaylark	throw your drop in that bucket as much as you want
2021-09-24 07:10:26	kuroshi	I wasn't aware there was even a working package for spotify
2021-09-24 07:10:35	kuroshi	I thought spotify was just sort of "lol just install snapd"
2021-09-24 07:11:03	thurstylark	there are aur packages for various spotify interfaces including the official one
2021-09-24 07:11:22	kuroshi	which I recall just involves extracting it from the snap
2021-09-24 07:11:23	thurstylark	but by definition of being in the aur they have no guarantee of working :P
2021-09-24 07:11:53	kuroshi	I did not read "virtual machine container" anywhere
2021-09-24 07:12:12	kuroshi	I conflated the two together
2021-09-24 07:12:32	thurstylark	it extracts it from a deb package last time I looked...
2021-09-24 07:12:42	kuroshi	I thought they stopped supplying deb packages
2021-09-24 07:13:23	kuroshi	oh, they didn't
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2021-09-24 08:16:06	Iizuki	Morning
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2021-09-24 08:21:32	Iizuki	I got rid of my dual boot windows so I might as well encrypt my /boot too now. Last time I did this I had to use Luks1 because Grub didn't support 2. The wiki still talks about Luks1 but apparently Grub already supports version 2. Has anyone given it a try? 
2021-09-24 08:21:49	Iizuki	Source: https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/grub.html#cryptomount
2021-09-24 08:21:51	phrik	Title: GNU GRUB Manual 2.06 (at www.gnu.org)
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2021-09-24 08:22:38	rcf	2.06 was only released in June, the wiki is just outdated. 
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2021-09-24 08:22:52	nl6720	it's not outdated
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2021-09-24 08:23:03	nl6720	GRUB has very limited support for LUKS2
2021-09-24 08:23:06	gehidore	I'm outdated
2021-09-24 08:23:19	Iizuki	What limitations are there?
2021-09-24 08:23:27	nl6720	Iizuki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#LUKS2
2021-09-24 08:23:28	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-09-24 08:24:26	Iizuki	Thanks!
2021-09-24 08:24:29	rcf	Iizuki: of course the real question is whether encrypting /boot is worthwhile. The answer is usually no. 
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2021-09-24 08:25:50	nl6720	it can be useful for non-security reasons, e.g. root volume snapshotting
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2021-09-24 08:29:15	Iizuki	rfc: Yeah, I think I'm leaning towards the smaller hasle of leaving boot open
2021-09-24 08:41:38	nms	!pate
2021-09-24 08:41:38	phrik	nms: Say what?
2021-09-24 08:41:41	nms	!paste
2021-09-24 08:41:42	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-09-24 09:42:55	shem	yesterday i enabled adaptive sample rate in pipewire and i'm pleasantly surprised that it works perfectly for me. 
2021-09-24 09:44:26	shem	i have a focusrite scarlett that supports 44100,48000,88200,96000 and pipewire now uses the correct sample rate for the source. no more resampling.
2021-09-24 10:17:10	The-Compiler	topcat001: I assume you mean no-use-damage rather?
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2021-09-24 10:19:56	babatong	shem, does it map channels correctly these days?  I tried using a focusrite scarlett with pipewire a few months back and it was a complete nightmare to route audio anywhere.
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2021-09-24 11:38:30	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-24 11:48:25	shem	normal stereo playback and zoom calls work fine
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2021-09-24 12:02:41	ℹ 	neutrin0 es conocido ahora como ekardnam
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2021-09-24 12:13:19	mmfood	From time to time I'm having issues with the mouse not responing after a few seconds of inactivity. Only usb mice, not the trackpoint. After shaking the mouse a few times, or clicking the buttons it becomes active again. This seem to happen after system updates, after reboots. Any idea what may cause this? 
2021-09-24 12:14:00	jtgd	maybe it's the mouse. Is it battery operated?
2021-09-24 12:14:26	mmfood	this happens for two different mice that I, one IR w/ battery, and one wired usb mouse
2021-09-24 12:14:30	jtgd	it might time out and go to sleep mode sooner if the battery is low.
2021-09-24 12:14:36	Namarrgon	disable pm autosuspend for that port
2021-09-24 12:14:36	mmfood	*that I've tried
2021-09-24 12:14:36	jtgd	oic
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2021-09-24 12:18:08	mmfood	Namarrgon: using udev rules? 
2021-09-24 12:18:18	Namarrgon	how did you enable it?
2021-09-24 12:19:20	mmfood	I didn
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2021-09-24 12:19:36	Namarrgon	you're not using any powermanagement tools?
2021-09-24 12:20:03	mmfood	does tlp count? 
2021-09-24 12:20:21	Namarrgon	yes
2021-09-24 12:20:51	teraflops	another tpl victim
2021-09-24 12:20:56	teraflops	tlp^
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2021-09-24 12:59:43	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2021-09-24 12:22:53	Namarrgon	grep auto /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/control
2021-09-24 12:23:31	mmfood	Namarrgon: I disabled it in /etc/tlp.conf and voila, thanks! 
2021-09-24 12:25:16	rapiz	 I found this man page on the internet: https://nxmnpg.lemoda.net/3/ucontext . but i can't get it by man ucontext. why? it seems to be contained in glibc and sure i have that installed
2021-09-24 12:25:21	phrik	Title: ucontext(3) manual page (at nxmnpg.lemoda.net)
2021-09-24 12:30:42	Namarrgon	that seems to be a bsd manual
2021-09-24 12:31:33	Namarrgon	try the get-/setcontext manuals instead
2021-09-24 12:34:45	rapiz	Namarrgon: i can man getcontext. but how do you find it is a bsd manual?
2021-09-24 12:35:09	rapiz	there are times when i find random man pages on internet and can't man it out
2021-09-24 12:36:00	GuiToris	hello, I haven't updated this virtual system for years, and now I can't do it. I've tried 'pacman -S archlinux-keyring && pacman -Syu' so far but I get messages like this: https://bpa.st/DGQQ
2021-09-24 12:36:02	phrik	Title: View paste DGQQ (at bpa.st)
2021-09-24 12:37:09	thrice	literally years?  Can you reinstall instead?  It might be the quicker path
2021-09-24 12:37:44	GuiToris	since 2017
2021-09-24 12:37:58	Namarrgon	rapiz: the rest of the manuals is from some bsd distro
2021-09-24 12:39:00	thrice	Yeah, so pre .zst packages, I guess?
2021-09-24 12:39:20	rapiz	Namarrgon: oh well
2021-09-24 12:39:56	GuiToris	thrice, yes, apparently they are zst packages
2021-09-24 12:40:11	Namarrgon	rapiz: https://man.archlinux.org/
2021-09-24 12:40:12	phrik	Title: Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2021-09-24 12:40:33	thrice	I'm guessing that system is impossible to update
2021-09-24 12:40:41	GuiToris	:'(
2021-09-24 12:41:19	thrice	you could try using arch linux archives and updating in time chunks, maybe
2021-09-24 12:41:23	rapiz	Namarrgon: good resource. but i always forget about it and use google :(
2021-09-24 12:41:41	rapiz	sad for me to encounter some random pages for some random distro
2021-09-24 12:42:00	GuiToris	thrice, would a force update be a bad idea?
2021-09-24 12:42:24	thrice	a force update of a 2017 system, to 2021?  Yes
2021-09-24 12:42:34	Namarrgon	GuiToris: if that is your first idea then you don't understand the problem
2021-09-24 12:42:37	thrice	though, I assume that wouldn't even work
2021-09-24 12:43:11	thrice	https://archive.archlinux.org/repos/
2021-09-24 12:43:12	phrik	Title: Index of /repos/ (at archive.archlinux.org)
2021-09-24 12:44:18	thrice	actually, they don't even go that far back
2021-09-24 12:44:46	teraflops	Go one year by one year step reading news for each year if you encounter issues I guess
2021-09-24 12:45:22	teraflops	Using archives repos
2021-09-24 12:46:11	teraflops	Or save configs ana reinstall. It is the logical procedure
2021-09-24 12:46:15	teraflops	And
2021-09-24 12:47:16	GuiToris	is there an article how I can use archive.archlinux.org as a source?
2021-09-24 12:47:41	teraflops	There is its wiki page
2021-09-24 12:48:33	teraflops	It's just a matter of changing pacman repos lines
2021-09-24 12:48:58	GuiToris	thank you
2021-09-24 12:50:34	thrice	if you can't update the system regularly, are you sure arch is the best choice?
2021-09-24 12:52:27	GuiToris	I usually don't go over all my virtual systems to update them
2021-09-24 12:52:38	GuiToris	I have about 20 systems
2021-09-24 12:53:35	GuiToris	nonetheless, I think it was Namarrgon who suggested that I should use Debian
2021-09-24 12:54:43	asd	whats the norm when a package has been flagged outdated for a long time? do you contact the maintainer? mailinglist? im referring to visual studio code: https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/code/ # 1.60 has features that are important to me
2021-09-24 12:54:44	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - code 1.58.0-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2021-09-24 12:57:05	teraflops	Release bases disteis have caveats too
2021-09-24 12:57:25	teraflops	As in you never apt dist upgrade them 
2021-09-24 12:57:55	teraflops	Distros, sorry
2021-09-24 12:58:16	teraflops	The phone is too smart
2021-09-24 12:59:43	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-24 13:07:51	GuiToris	I've been using arch since 2014 or so, I just don't really feel like learning a new operating system
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2021-09-24 13:10:14	asd	GuiToris: i mainly use arch, but for my VMs i have had fun with nixos, though i find it much harder to learn than other distros... the advantage of nixos has been how the environment of the VM cant practically be defined in 1 single config file (users, packages, keys, etc...) and you just could just git push the config to the vm and what not...
2021-09-24 13:10:39	Gagis	I tend to use rolling release on main computer at home and release based at laptops, workplace or in containers/virtual machines
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2021-09-24 13:22:21	GuiToris	I used to use openSuse before Arch, but I never knew zypper. I do have an opensuse installed virtually, but I installed pacapt, so I could use pacman commands to install/delete/update
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2021-09-24 13:26:02	Betal	GuiToris: configure pacserve in your VM network and don't worry about downloading 20 times the same packages :)
2021-09-24 13:27:50	GuiToris	I'll check this out, thanks!
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2021-09-24 13:29:39	fernie	or apt-cacher-ng
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2021-09-24 13:35:22	GuiToris	can I upload PKGBUILDs to AUR from other system than arch?
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2021-09-24 13:50:12	heythere221	How do I copy mirrors Form the mirror list generator into the mirrorlist from a terminal emulator?
2021-09-24 13:50:43	heythere221	without a GUI I mean.
2021-09-24 13:51:43	Namarrgon	you can download it with curl/wget
2021-09-24 13:52:31	heythere221	thanks
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2021-09-24 13:58:20	GuiToris	2019 december is the last repo that I could use, now I get https://bpa.st/KBHQ
2021-09-24 13:58:20	phrik	Title: View paste KBHQ (at bpa.st)
2021-09-24 13:58:38	GuiToris	I've tried this https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1837082#p1837082
2021-09-24 13:58:39	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Invalid or Corrupted Package (PGP Signature) / Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-09-24 13:59:22	GuiToris	oops, I haven't removed /etc/pacman.d/gnupg/, should I do that?
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2021-09-24 13:59:39	Namarrgon	update the archlinux-keyring package before you break the system
2021-09-24 13:59:53	GuiToris	I always start with that one
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2021-09-24 14:00:12	GuiToris	pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Syu
2021-09-24 14:00:14	Namarrgon	you shouldn't always start with that one, only when it's required
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2021-09-24 14:00:59	Namarrgon	the procedure to reset the keyring is described in the wiki
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2021-09-24 14:02:08	GuiToris	I hope you meant this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Resetting_all_the_keys
2021-09-24 14:02:09	phrik	Title: pacman/Package signing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-09-24 14:04:51	GuiToris	yay, I can keep on updating, thank you
2021-09-24 14:04:54	Scimmia	GuiToris: none of that will help you, the problem is that you're trying to install a package from someone that's no longer a packager
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2021-09-24 14:05:43	Scimmia	and using an old keyring will get you issues with expired keys
2021-09-24 14:06:31	GuiToris	I reset them, and now it's updating, I'm at 2019 dec right now, I'm almost up-to-date
2021-09-24 14:06:46	GuiToris	I don't know why I started it with archlinux-keyring all the time
2021-09-24 14:07:03	GuiToris	fortunately I was told that I shouldn't do that
2021-09-24 14:07:36	GuiToris	I use this machine to update my AUR packages, so I don't really want to mess this up
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2021-09-26 19:27:13	carbolymer	how do I set menu timeout in systemd-boot? I have 3 sources of this value: loader.conf setting, non-volatile setting in efibootmgr -v and /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/LoaderConfigTimeout-4a67b082-0a4c-41cf-b6c7-440b29bb8c4f
2021-09-26 19:27:38	carbolymer	I've changed timeout using efibootmgr
2021-09-26 19:27:57	carbolymer	and it seems that /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/LoaderConfigTimeout-4a67b082-0a4c-41cf-b6c7-440b29bb8c4f is not in sync with that setting....
2021-09-26 19:28:15	carbolymer	so which value will be respected in the end?
2021-09-26 19:32:31	ulteq	When I run 'pacman -Syu' it says 'there is nothing to do' and I have no idea why.
2021-09-26 19:32:41	ulteq	For example I'm on chromium 93, but https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/chromium/ says 94 is latest.
2021-09-26 19:32:43	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - chromium 94.0.4606.61-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2021-09-26 19:32:59	ulteq	I double and triple checked my /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
2021-09-26 19:33:32	ulteq	I also tried 'Syyu'
2021-09-26 19:37:38	Namarrgon	what did you check in mirrorlist?
2021-09-26 19:40:40	MrElendig	!mirrorstatus
2021-09-26 19:40:41	phrik	Check the status of the mirrors here: http://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/status/
2021-09-26 19:42:11	ulteq	Namarrgon: That I did not by accident had it pointing to the https://archive.archlinux.org/repos/...
2021-09-26 19:42:27	ulteq	Namarrgon: And that the top 3 servers actually work
2021-09-26 19:42:55	ulteq	I simply don't know where to look next.
2021-09-26 19:43:47	ulteq	Last update was on: 2021-09-21
2021-09-26 19:43:56	carbolymer	Uhhh, turns out it's none of them... I need to set the value in efi boot menu....
2021-09-26 19:43:56	ulteq	I usually run 'pacman -Syu' once per day.
2021-09-26 19:44:15	ulteq	I'm apparently still on 5.14.6-arch1-1
2021-09-26 19:45:04	Namarrgon	how did you check that the mirrors work?
2021-09-26 19:45:12	MrElendig	ulteq: check the mirror against that list ^
2021-09-26 19:45:15	Namarrgon	what is the first mirror?
2021-09-26 19:45:45	ulteq	Namarrgon: https://arch.jensgutermuth.de/$repo/os/$arch
2021-09-26 19:45:59	ulteq	Namarrgon: I opened it in the browser and checked if it points to chromium 94 or not
2021-09-26 19:46:33	ulteq	Namarrgon: Second is https://ftp.wrz.de/pub/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch
2021-09-26 19:46:52	ulteq	Ok I'm stupid :facepalm:
2021-09-26 19:47:37	ulteq	Aparrently I did check if the first 3 load, but I only checked the 3rd for having the correct version.
2021-09-26 19:48:06	ulteq	I'll run the mirrorlist generator!
2021-09-26 19:48:41	carbolymer	Can I use getty autologin (with auto X starting) and have gnome keyring unlocked?
2021-09-26 19:48:43	ulteq	'https://arch.jensgutermuth.de/$repo/os/$arch' is still in the list of suggested mirrors.
2021-09-26 19:49:06	MrElendig	carbolymer: yes (with gotchas)
2021-09-26 19:49:17	carbolymer	MrElendig: tell me more
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2021-09-26 19:50:02	MrElendig	carbolymer: wiki -> gnome keyring
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2021-09-26 19:50:21	MrElendig	see the using the keyring section
2021-09-26 19:50:37	ulteq	Namarrgon: I ditched the broken server and everything works again, thanks for pointing me in the right direction!
2021-09-26 19:50:44	ℹ 	obale1 es conocido ahora como obale
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2021-09-26 19:50:57	carbolymer	>To use automatic unlocking with automatic login, you can set a blank password for the default keyring. Note that the contents of the keyring are stored unencrypted in this case.
2021-09-26 19:50:58	carbolymer	uhh
2021-09-26 19:50:59	mumixam	anyone running wireguard? /usr/bin/ip is telling me unknown device for wireguard
2021-09-26 19:51:12	carbolymer	MrElendig: thanks, I guess that kinda defies the using of keyring
2021-09-26 19:51:25	MrElendig	carbolymer: autologin sucks
2021-09-26 19:51:45	carbolymer	MrElendig: for any reason besides keyring?
2021-09-26 19:51:51	MrElendig	this is why I did "with gotchas"
2021-09-26 19:52:04	MrElendig	carbolymer: no security against local attacks?
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2021-09-26 19:52:41	carbolymer	MrElendig: well, it depends on your security model, I have / encryption in place, so I feel quite safe from local attacks
2021-09-26 19:52:47	carbolymer	security threat model*
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2021-09-26 19:53:30	MrElendig	carbolymer: note: when the keyring is unlocked the key is exposed too
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2021-09-26 19:53:51	carbolymer	MrElendig: the encryption key?
2021-09-26 19:54:34	MrElendig	carbolymer: btw did you read the line after the one you pasted?
2021-09-26 19:54:36	MrElendig	yes
2021-09-26 19:54:37	Namarrgon	mumixam: uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2021-09-26 19:54:51	MrElendig	goes for both the keyring and luks, when its unlocked the key is exposed :)
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2021-09-26 19:55:52	carbolymer	MrElendig: hmm, so why I even encrypt the keyring in the first place
2021-09-26 19:56:04	MrElendig	offline attacks
2021-09-26 19:56:19	carbolymer	yeah, I have full drive encryption for that
2021-09-26 19:56:25	MrElendig	and other users
2021-09-26 19:56:46	MrElendig	(assuming ram is protected)
2021-09-26 19:56:47	carbolymer	I'm the only user, I'm not running any daemons
2021-09-26 19:56:55	mumixam	Namarrgon: thanks but i looked back at my #archlinux logs and was able to fix it via a reboot. i installed a new kernel before wireguard without rebooting and the new kernel has wireguard built in
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2021-09-29 15:11:00	lurst	No MacGyver also, it's the same keyboard I'm using for formatting and opening, so even if it was the keyboard, it should work 
2021-09-29 15:11:15	nl6720	have you ruled out a badly written iso?
2021-09-29 15:11:45	lurst	I have not, I'm going to rewrite the ISO into another pen drive (I verified thatthe ISO is good)
2021-09-29 15:12:04	MacGyver	Could also checksum the written drive.
2021-09-29 15:12:16	lurst	Good shout MacGyver 
2021-09-29 15:12:22	MacGyver	Though come to think of it...
2021-09-29 15:12:39	MacGyver	You'd have to select the range of the bytes to checksum yourself if you do that.
2021-09-29 15:12:54	MacGyver	Faster to write a new one probably.
2021-09-29 15:13:16	lurst	But I'm more leaning towards something wrong with the luksFormat / open, maybe someting is unsyched or I'm missing a flag in the command
2021-09-29 15:14:03	lurst	I can share the debug differences from opening that file, versus the partition created by elementaryOS
2021-09-29 15:14:19	nl6720	I tried that command I gave you in a VM with the latest iso. it works fine with the password set to "a"
2021-09-29 15:15:14	lurst	Damn, ok, so I'll rewrite the iso into another pen drive and try it all again
2021-09-29 15:15:21	lurst	Thanks for testing it
2021-09-29 15:21:02	Hello71	smells like bad ram
2021-09-29 15:21:07	matse	is there a way to skip the "fallback" mkinitcpio preset for a custom kernel (build with asp and a custo pkgbase)? Since I adjust the integrated modules and reduce them, the fallback mkinitcpio can't be build and throws errors (since the necessary modules are missing, of course)
2021-09-29 15:21:35	Hello71	luks2 default argon2 is much more ram heavy than luks1 pbkdf2
2021-09-29 15:21:46	Hello71	that would explain why it is "randomly"
2021-09-29 15:22:07	lurst	Hmmm, good point Hello71 , I'll do a ram test 
2021-09-29 15:22:11	Hello71	try repeatedly open and close
2021-09-29 15:22:38	Hello71	if it sometimes works and sometimes not (and nothing shows up in dmesg) then it is highly unlikely to be related to the drive
2021-09-29 15:22:46	Hello71	and almost certainly related to bad ram
2021-09-29 15:23:14	Hello71	matse: if you use custom kernel then why use initramfs at all
2021-09-29 15:23:25	Hello71	fde?
2021-09-29 15:23:38	lurst	The initial issue was randomly, but now that I deleted that partition (😢) I'm gettting it consistently when encrypting new things
2021-09-29 15:24:42	matse	Hello71: hmm good point... you mean directly booting the kernel is the way to go?
2021-09-29 15:25:13	Hello71	well if you don't actually need any features of initramfs (e.g. luks, raid, btrfs) then just remove it
2021-09-29 15:28:30	matse	Hello71: hmm OK, I need these features but they are built into my custom kernel (as module)... i jsut adjusted the arch one with modprobed-db as a „quick way to go“. And by overriding just the pkgbase in the PGKBUILD the pacman hook is triggered... that's why I ask
2021-09-29 15:28:40	hiya	Is Wifi performance a known issue on GNU/Linux?
2021-09-29 15:28:54	hiya	Dual band wifi isn't getting the performance it is suppose to
2021-09-29 15:29:21	lurst	!paste
2021-09-29 15:29:21	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-09-29 15:29:53	hiya	Mobile phones get over 225 Mbit/s but Laptop only 125-150 Mbit/s
2021-09-29 15:30:27	jelle	hiya: first figure out if you compare apples and oranges
2021-09-29 15:30:43	Hello71	apples and penguins
2021-09-29 15:30:57	lurst	h4rd3n3D: This is the luksDump of the one that I can open http://ix.io/3Ak5
2021-09-29 15:31:53	nl6720	that's luks1 as was previously established
2021-09-29 15:32:46	lurst	Alright, so then my "cryptsetup open <partition> <mapper>" command can only open luks1 by default? Is that why it works well?
2021-09-29 15:33:15	nl6720	!shrug
2021-09-29 15:33:16	phrik	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2021-09-29 15:33:22	nl6720	if you want, you can try to see if cryptsetup luksFormat --type luks1 (and then open) works from the arch iso
2021-09-29 15:33:22	cyphertite	hiya:  I asked you many hours ago, and have yet to see your response:
2021-09-29 15:33:28	cyphertite	hiya:  do you run KDE?  I do, and also run NM; sleep/resume works well here, with no impact to my WiFi connections or needing to interact with NM
2021-09-29 15:34:26	hiya	Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter
2021-09-29 15:34:35	hiya	cyphertite: I am Gnome guy
2021-09-29 15:34:40	hiya	Is this wifi chip any good?
2021-09-29 15:34:47	bea	lurst: iirc cryptsetup on the archiso defaults to luks2
2021-09-29 15:35:03	cyphertite	bea:  that's correct
2021-09-29 15:35:52	nl6720	more correctly, cryptsetup since version 2.1.0 defaults to luks2
2021-09-29 15:36:09	bea	right right
2021-09-29 15:37:11	hiya	cyphertite: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/53389 | I am having similar issue
2021-09-29 15:37:11	phrik	Title: FS#53389 : [linux] Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 crashes waking from a sleep (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2021-09-29 15:37:52	jelle	qualcom, broadcom, I am not suprised
2021-09-29 15:38:39	lurst	my crypsetup is version 2.4.0
2021-09-29 15:39:01	bea	do you get the same result if you specify the correct luks type?
2021-09-29 15:39:39	cyphertite	hiya:  sorry, I'm an Intel (tm) guy, and cannot reproduce your frustration ;p
2021-09-29 15:39:44	hiya	jelle: but it is not as bad as mentioned in the link. It is like jitter and sometimes no wifi, so when I restart NetworkManager and it works
2021-09-29 15:39:53	hiya	cyphertite: no problem
2021-09-29 15:39:53	lurst	Ah, sorry, forgot to try that, I'm trying out another pen drive with the latest arch, I left the partitions encrypted with the different ways, so I'll see if I can reproduce everything
2021-09-29 15:40:20	hiya	but my concern is what kind of speed should I get with QCA9377 802.11ac >
2021-09-29 15:41:39	lurst	OK, so formatting on --type luks1 does work nicely, my cryptsetup still can't open luks2 by default
2021-09-29 15:42:00	bea	eh?
2021-09-29 15:43:08	Hello71	matse: it doesn't matter if you compile those into kernel, they require userspace assistance to function
2021-09-29 15:43:21	lurst	Trying to do "cryptsetup open" on a luks2 device, doesn't work not even if I add "--type luks2" to the open command
2021-09-29 15:43:46	bea	do you have a luksDump of the luks2 device?
2021-09-29 15:43:54	Hello71	when you turn on CONFIG_DM it enables kernel side support for joining multiple devices. but it still needs userspace mdadm command to tell it the offsets of the devices, the striping, etc
2021-09-29 15:44:08	Hello71	lurst: cryptsetup open automatically detects the version
2021-09-29 15:44:44	Hello71	and even if you use a very ancient cryptsetup version, it would say something like "luks version not supported", not "no key slot found"
2021-09-29 15:47:24	cyphertite	lurst:  there is also the cryptsetup 'convert' option, but I recommend you read up on:  luksHeaderBackup <device>, first <-- both explained within 'man cryptsetup'
2021-09-29 15:47:32	lurst	Here you go bea, this is the luksDump for a partition using cryptsetup luksFormat http://ix.io/3Ak8
2021-09-29 15:47:32	ping2000	hi, i got some rubygems error when updating packages? is there something known? part of it: http://paste.debian.net/1213723/
2021-09-29 15:47:37	phrik	Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)
2021-09-29 15:48:00	lurst	cyphertite: At this point I'm not worried about data loss, I already threw my original partition in the bin :D
2021-09-29 15:48:10	bea	hmmm
2021-09-29 15:48:20	Hello71	cyphertite: luks1 doesn't support argon2 so you can't convert back from default luks2 anyways
2021-09-29 15:50:40	bea	keymap differences maybe?
2021-09-29 15:51:01	cyphertite	Hello71:  I think you're right about that...afaict for now only LUKS1 to LUKS2 'conversions' are possible.  
2021-09-29 15:51:01	bea	its a freshly formatted partition that can't be opened with the same passphrase used to format it, that's very odd
2021-09-29 15:51:29	lurst	Yes, this is all fresh from the same livecd, same keyboard, same computer
2021-09-29 15:51:43	Hello71	lurst: as i said already, instead of faffing about with luksDump, just check if you can open and close the *same device* *without reformatting in between*
2021-09-29 15:51:54	Hello71	cyphertite: no, according to the man page, you can convert either way.
2021-09-29 15:52:09	Hello71	but default luks2 format will use features (argon2) not supported in luks1
2021-09-29 15:52:20	MacGyver	bea: We eliminated that.
2021-09-29 15:52:45	bea	What model drive?
2021-09-29 15:53:34	lurst	Hello71: I can't open anything using the default luks2 luksFormat, I am consistently denied
2021-09-29 15:55:49	Hello71	lurst: format it with --pbkdf-memory 128
2021-09-29 15:55:50	nl6720	unless I'm mistaken, if you convert luks1 to luks2, you won't get the 16 MiB header, thus no online reencryption and possibly other features
2021-09-29 15:56:01	Hello71	or just go run memtest86
2021-09-29 15:58:16	lurst	Hello71: That worked!
2021-09-29 15:58:29	Hello71	you have bad ram then
2021-09-29 15:58:34	lurst	😢
2021-09-29 15:58:51	lurst	I'm gonna try running the memtest
2021-09-29 16:01:30	arcturus	very odd
2021-09-29 16:01:41	arcturus	that bad ram could cause such a specific situation
2021-09-29 16:01:45	cyphertite	Hello71:  IDK if the cryptsetup man is accurate, or outdated.  I've only tested converting LUKS1 --> 2 and that I know works fine.  As far as argon2 support is concerned, my PCIe-NVMe LUKS2 encrypted primary / drive is still at (only):  PBKDF:      pbkdf2.  Furthermore, GRUB does not support argon2 yet, but I do know this issue is being worked on by the fine folks at grub-dev :D
2021-09-29 16:02:09	Hello71	encrypted /boot is dumb anyways
2021-09-29 16:02:13	Hello71	arcturus: not really
2021-09-29 16:02:39	MacGyver	Not odd, but unusual.
2021-09-29 16:02:44	MacGyver	Argon2 is a fairly recent default.
2021-09-29 16:02:45	Hello71	pbkdf is specifically intended to exercise the machine as much as possible
2021-09-29 16:02:52	lurst	I'm running the bios test for my ram and one already failed: Advanced Integrity Test
2021-09-29 16:03:09	arcturus	well, there you go
2021-09-29 16:03:25	⚡ 	MacGyver files away in the mental bank of things to suspect
2021-09-29 16:03:52	lurst	This is probably it, so thank you all so much for your patience with me and this issue :D
2021-09-29 16:04:15	Hello71	it only took three tries to bang it in
2021-09-29 16:04:16	Hello71	!shrug
2021-09-29 16:04:17	phrik	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2021-09-29 16:04:45	lurst	I've been here longer Hello71 :D
2021-09-29 16:05:33	hiya	!ipv6
2021-09-29 16:05:33	phrik	out of address space, damn you aliens and your intergalactic wifi theft
2021-09-29 16:05:44	hiya	lol
2021-09-29 16:11:49	jessicant	https://0x0.st/-Yn8.mp4 has anyone else had this weird flickering in KDE plasma Wayland and know of a solution? Intel graphics, surface pro 4
2021-09-29 16:12:24	susi	oh, KDE is Wayland-ready, cool :3
2021-09-29 16:12:32	jessicant	lol
2021-09-29 16:12:55	SysGhost	wayland-ready... well... 
2021-09-29 16:13:02	SysGhost	tbh nothing is
2021-09-29 16:13:07	cyphertite	jessicant:  please describe 'flickering' in more 'graphic' detail
2021-09-29 16:13:39	Namarrgon	looks like some sort of bar is popping in and out of existence
2021-09-29 16:13:58	SysGhost	jessicant: driver update. Other than that There's not much todo except for reporting it. personally I haven't seen any such flickering 
2021-09-29 16:14:06	Namarrgon	jessicant: do you get the same issue on a clean, new user account?
2021-09-29 16:14:14	jessicant	it is 1 or two rows of white pixels
2021-09-29 16:14:17	jessicant	flickering 
2021-09-29 16:14:24	jessicant	seemingly based on screen updates
2021-09-29 16:14:33	jessicant	it doesn't happen in other DEs
2021-09-29 16:15:04	arojas	jessicant: are you on the beta?
2021-09-29 16:15:20	SysGhost	jessicant: also try changing rendering engine
2021-09-29 16:15:23	jessicant	no beta
2021-09-29 16:15:28	jessicant	I'll try changing rendering engine
2021-09-29 16:15:41	jessicant	i just tried switching to a vt to see if it happened there
2021-09-29 16:15:42	jessicant	it doesn't
2021-09-29 16:15:51	jessicant	and now i'm back and it's no longer there
2021-09-29 16:15:55	jessicant	easy fix lol
2021-09-29 16:16:12	SysGhost	what did you do?
2021-09-29 16:16:27	jessicant	oh noooo wait
2021-09-29 16:16:48	SysGhost	UI think KDE defaults to OpenGl 2.0. Try OpenGl 3.1
2021-09-29 16:17:14	SysGhost	search in settings for "Rendering Backend"
2021-09-29 16:17:43	jessicant	I think it's something to do with having a maximised gtk application
2021-09-29 16:17:51	jessicant	or not
2021-09-29 16:19:10	nepexoga	jessicant: i see an effect like that on plasma on x11. it keeps me from running urxvt because it makes the bottom half of the screen flash. it goes away if the terminal is redrawn. doesnt happen with vte terminals
2021-09-29 16:19:50	nepexoga	its probably not a plasma thing or a display server thing or a urxvt thing. its just borked
2021-09-29 16:19:54	jessicant	fair
2021-09-29 16:20:02	jessicant	it's for now less annoying
2021-09-29 16:20:41	Hello71	jessicant, nepexoga: try booting with i915.enable_psr=0
2021-09-29 16:21:04	jessicant	i'll try that after work
2021-09-29 16:22:00	jessicant	shoved at the end of my boot loader entries
2021-09-29 16:22:05	nepexoga	Hello71: wow thats one ive not heard of. checking it out thanks :)
2021-09-29 16:22:17	jessicant	options 
2021-09-29 16:22:24	jessicant	pressed enter too early whoops
2021-09-29 16:22:35	Hello71	it's on https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/intel_graphics
2021-09-29 16:22:36	phrik	Title: Intel graphics - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-09-29 16:23:25	Hello71	although i'm pretty sure i read it somewhere else
2021-09-29 16:24:02	nepexoga	im definitely running intel graphics & that matches the behaviour
2021-09-29 16:33:17	cyphertite	hmmh, not sure what is causing jessicant's flickering issue, but what I see with the 4K display on my KDE i7/16 Gb optimus laptop is that *only* when it overheats, the entire screen begins 'flashing' from a legible screen to some horrible, illegible white/grey mess (several times per second).  At that point, it becomes impossible to read/choose the options 'displayed'.  The only choice in my
2021-09-29 16:33:19	cyphertite	case is to hard poweroff - and wait a few minutes.
2021-09-29 16:45:49	kanumaji	nope that didnt do it. in fact i915.enable_psr=1 causes the system to freeze but im running modesetting anyway. i915.enable_psr=0 has no effect
2021-09-29 16:47:09	kanumaji	i agree you have to be choosy about the gtk apps on plasma. so far thats been the only workaround ive found
2021-09-29 17:33:14	hiya	host command is missing?
2021-09-29 17:35:35	Namarrgon	did you install it?
2021-09-29 17:36:31	dav1d	usr/bin/host is owned by extra/bind 9.16.8-1
2021-09-29 17:37:19	Sid_	```
2021-09-29 17:37:19	Sid_	❯ sudo pacman -Fy /usr/bin/host
2021-09-29 17:37:19	Sid_	usr/bin/host is owned by extra/bind 9.16.21-1
2021-09-29 17:37:19	Sid_	```
2021-09-29 17:37:19	Sid_	That's how you find out what package to install, in this case
2021-09-29 17:37:52	Sid_	(sorry for the formatting, I forget this is IRC)
2021-09-29 17:37:59	NetSysFire	careful about pasting so many lines
2021-09-29 17:38:02	NetSysFire	EMIYA gets mad easily
2021-09-29 17:38:10	Sid_	yeah, sorry
2021-09-29 17:38:27	hiya	ok, is host command working for you?
2021-09-29 17:38:39	Sid_	Once installed, yes
2021-09-29 17:38:50	hiya	It doesn't work for me, even installed either
2021-09-29 17:38:59	dav1d	yes it does
2021-09-29 17:39:04	hiya	Always, "connection timed out; no servers could be reached"
2021-09-29 17:39:59	Sid_	Try manually specifying the resolver to use, eg: host archlinux.org 8.8.8.8
2021-09-29 17:41:00	hiya	works
2021-09-29 17:41:33	hiya	So what is the issue? 
2021-09-29 17:42:08	mongy	nnn handles opening files via xdg, which is working for most stuff, but I can't get json to open in vim.  It always opens in firefox.  `xdg-mime query default application/json` says nvim.desktop.  It's there in ~/.config/mimeapps.list.  Pulling my hair out.
2021-09-29 17:42:33	mongy	s/vim/neovim
2021-09-29 17:44:56	another|	hiya: most likely your resolver config
2021-09-29 17:45:51	Sid_	What's your /etc/resolv.conf? Is it blank?
2021-09-29 17:49:09	mongy	hmm, xdg-open opens in nvim, so it's nnn then
2021-09-29 17:52:29	hiya	Sid_: it has a server of course, but I am using a VPN so DNS should go using it. It use to work in Debian. I think Arch is handling DNS some other way. Wireguard isn't putting a DNS in /etc/resolv.conf either
2021-09-29 17:52:35	hiya	I have resolvconf installed though
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2021-09-29 17:53:10	hiya	systemd-resolvconf handles it I think
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2021-09-29 17:53:44	hiya	resolvconf -a lux -m 0 -x
2021-09-29 17:53:47	hiya	It does do this ^
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2021-09-29 17:57:31	hiya	so I get it, host, dig and everything else is defaulting to wlan0 but it should be using wireguard interface now
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2021-09-29 17:59:17	teraflops	hiya: you set the dns server ip address in the client config
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2021-09-29 17:59:46	teraflops	I find it convenient to run dnsmasq/unbound on the wireguard server so it can act as dns resolver
2021-09-29 18:01:05	hiya	resolvectl query works fine
2021-09-29 18:01:30	hiya	resolvectl query knows that luxembourg tunnel is up via wg and picks it perfectly
2021-09-29 18:01:44	hiya	but others are checking /etc/resolv.conf which has router IP, which is blocked by firewall
2021-09-29 18:02:11	hiya	This never happened to me before, so something manually I need to configure in Arch
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2021-09-29 18:02:52	teraflops	do you have a DNS entry in the client config file?
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2021-09-29 18:03:38	teraflops	I guess something like https://gist.github.com/prietus/bb36a0d4b931b3f0975fd56f66791f76/raw/c4cfc2c5f10e54f3cdc04da44f14dbbf3aec8fe9/paste
2021-09-29 18:03:41	hiya	teraflops: wg.conf you mean? I do
2021-09-29 18:03:51	teraflops	ah ok
2021-09-29 18:04:06	hiya	It is working via resolvectl query, it knows tunnel + its dNS
2021-09-29 18:04:13	hiya	so, it is systemctl-resolved thing
2021-09-29 18:04:25	hiya	dig/host etc don't know it lol
2021-09-29 18:04:26	⚡ 	teraflops still does not use it
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2021-09-29 18:06:55	hiya	teraflops: Do you know whether disable v6 in kernel helps with wifi speed? I see a few forum comments like that
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2021-09-29 18:07:55	jelle	O_O
2021-09-29 18:08:27	teraflops	hiya: that does not make sense
2021-09-29 18:09:38	teraflops	I can think of doing tunnelbroker so the speed is lower through the tunnel, but that does not have anything to do with wireless I think
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2021-09-29 18:38:03	acegallagher	is there an archlinux arm iRC still?
2021-09-29 18:38:11	teraflops	!alarm
2021-09-29 18:38:11	phrik	If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
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2021-09-29 18:38:42	acegallagher	teraflops: thank you <3
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2021-09-29 18:50:30	eden	!paste
2021-09-29 18:50:30	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-09-29 18:50:48	eden	!ix
2021-09-29 18:50:48	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
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2021-09-29 18:55:11	jessicant	Hello71: late reply, but i915.enable_psr=0
2021-09-29 18:55:15	jessicant	seems to have worked
2021-09-29 18:55:19	jessicant	thanks!
2021-09-29 18:55:19	Hello71	ok
2021-09-29 18:55:24	eden	My X seems to have broken - It just complains about... whatever this is. Some observations: The errors it does throw seem to be from Nouveau, but I use the proprietary drivers. also, my mouse (razer viper mini) seems to show to X as a keyboard? ix.io/3Alh
2021-09-29 18:55:30	pulec	5y old issue on this, anyone has an idea for fix? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=213720
2021-09-29 18:55:30	phrik	Title: [Toshiba Z20T] No speaker sound after suspend / Laptop Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-09-29 18:55:54	pulec	maybe by avoiding alsa/pulseaudio and using just pipewire if possible?
2021-09-29 18:56:01	⚡ 	pulec does not know enough about pipewire yet
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2021-09-29 18:56:38	hiya	jelle: teraflops a lot of posts online says, disable v6 in kernel to improve speed lol
2021-09-29 18:57:02	Hello71	eden: your x is fine. probably your wm is broken
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2021-09-29 19:03:18	Namarrgon	your mouse is most likely a compound device, including a keyboard for extra buttons
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2021-09-29 19:03:18	Namarrgon	hiya: 1998 i read about issues with ipv6 and have disabled it on every system since
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2021-09-29 19:03:18	Tom^	you kids and your new fancy tech, back in my day..
2021-09-29 19:03:18	Tom^	:p ipv6 is fine nowadays
2021-09-29 19:03:47	demonicmaniac	Tom^: sort of. in kernel sure but providers still giving v4 only and horrific 6to4 tunnels is ewwwww still
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2021-09-29 19:04:05	Tom^	i think im finally having proper ipv6 tho
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2021-09-29 19:04:14	demonicmaniac	nice
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2021-09-29 19:04:49	eden	Hello71: Just tried with a different WM, also crashed. Problem isnt with that i dont think
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2021-09-29 19:09:13	Hello71	Namarrgon: i've disabled ipv6 since 1969
2021-09-29 19:09:42	Namarrgon	but you were only -2 years old then?!?
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2021-09-29 19:11:24	eden	Okay, if noone is able to help, could someone point me towards some useful troubleshooting steps?
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2021-09-29 19:12:54	Namarrgon	eden: how are you starting your wm/de?
2021-09-29 19:13:11	kingo	Hi guys I am using arch with kde and ms teams from AUR but when I start a call, the speaker remains muted and can't turn it on. Anyone with same problem knows how to fix that?
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2021-09-29 19:14:41	eNV25	eden: do you have both nvidia and nouveau installed?
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2021-09-29 19:17:07	eden	Sorry had to get a cup of tea! Starting with startx, just got the proprietary ones installed
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2021-09-29 19:17:30	mtn	kingo: assuming your sound normally works, that is likely a setting in the app itself
2021-09-29 19:17:45	Namarrgon	eden: can you post your ~/.xinitrc?
2021-09-29 19:18:18	eden	Okay so it kinda deleted itself... idrk... rn its just `exec dwm`
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2021-09-29 19:19:39	kingo	mtn: yes, I know but despite of the audio interface I set (even the right one), it stays muted, and when i try to increase the volume, it goes back to muted. Sound works everywhere else
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2021-09-29 19:20:09	eden	oh ive fixed it! i just reinstall the drivers
2021-09-29 19:20:14	eden	thanks for the help everyone!
2021-09-29 19:20:14	mtn	kingo: then the app likely has a bug or is missing something
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2021-09-29 19:20:31	mtn	kingo: did you read all the notes in the aur for the app?
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2021-09-29 19:22:24	kingo	mtn: i don't know, I tried installing different versions of the software, manually by unpacking various .deb and rpms but the problem persists in all of them. I tried the apulse thing suggested in AUR , but that doesn't work either
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2021-09-29 19:29:06	LiveWire	crystalmark shows writes at 4200, but reads only at 4500
2021-09-29 19:29:56	negen	kingo: are you using the teams package or the teams for linux package? 
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2021-09-29 19:30:53	kingo	the one I install with yay -S teams
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2021-09-29 19:31:34	negen	ok thats the official then 
2021-09-29 19:31:38	kingo	but I also tried other versions and all of them had that problem. 
2021-09-29 19:32:18	kingo	I don't know if teams requires something special, but audio works on other programs like chrome, spotify,vlc...
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2021-09-29 19:32:59	kingo	It also work on teams (it make sounds when joining a call) , but not during calls
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2021-09-29 19:34:24	negen	i couldn't get to work for other issues I just used the web based one through chrome 
2021-09-29 19:35:01	negen	the teams-for-linux is is unoffical while the teams package is offical 
2021-09-29 19:35:34	negen	for me now the official teams package just hangs on a white screeen and wont even load any more not sure why 
2021-09-29 19:36:06	kingo	ah, then I think it's messed up :/
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2021-09-29 19:37:00	kingo	will try teams-for-linux otherwise will use the web interface, i don't even need mic, it's just for university lessons
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2021-09-29 19:37:45	negen	the teams offcial package is fairly new when it came out the teams-for-linux guy said there was no need to continue the unofficial one but it looks like its still getting updates 
2021-09-29 19:38:31	kingo	yes, it's web page says last update is from september
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2021-09-29 19:40:47	negen	there are two more teams packages too one called teams-insider and one called teams-nativefier 
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2021-09-29 19:44:34	kingo	I already tried the insider one. Now I have to reboot because i stopped pulseaudio and it's not coming back hehe
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2021-09-30 18:29:54	eNV25	legal?
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2021-09-30 18:31:15	ChrisTX	Depends. The copyright on LotR still hasn't expired. The reading is a free recording at any rate
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2021-09-30 18:35:49	eNV25	damn
2021-09-30 18:36:08	niki	The hobbit is (illegally) on youtube and it's an incredibly good version
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2021-09-30 18:37:44	ChrisTX	I mean it's usually 70 years or so after the death of the author, in some cases longer, and Tolkien died in 1973
2021-09-30 18:37:45	arcturus	the hobbit series was pretty good, unfairly compared to the clearly better lotr series
2021-09-30 18:38:10	MacGyver	I'm not sure I agree there.
2021-09-30 18:38:19	MacGyver	The Hobbit doesn't have Tom Bombadil.
2021-09-30 18:38:21	ChrisTX	I think it was a poor idea to make 3 movies out of a small book
2021-09-30 18:38:32	ChrisTX	anyways, this is more of an offtopic discussion now :D
2021-09-30 18:38:46	niki	oh damn this is #archlinux
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2021-09-30 18:46:02	fling	hi
2021-09-30 18:46:05	fling	Which package for Time::Moment ?
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2021-09-30 18:47:48	Namarrgon	context has never killed anyone. at least tell us that you're talking about the perl library.
2021-09-30 18:47:54	tirnanog	fling: there isn't one. you'll either have to create one or use local-lib/cpanm/whatever.
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2021-09-30 18:48:32	fling	tirnanog: what is local-lib
2021-09-30 18:48:49	fling	Namarrgon: sorry! ;>
2021-09-30 18:48:50	teraflops	tirnanog: they need context :D
2021-09-30 18:48:54	tirnanog	heh.
2021-09-30 18:48:56	tirnanog	so they do.
2021-09-30 18:49:00	fling	haha
2021-09-30 18:49:55	tirnanog	well, it's a module that takes the hard work out of installing modules to a non-system-managed path, typically one's home directory. and cpanm is a CPAN module installer that's better than cpan itself and also co-operates with local-lib. both of these things are packaged by arch.
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2021-09-30 18:50:15	teraflops	tirnanog: ++
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2021-09-30 18:51:35	fling	thanks
2021-09-30 18:51:42	fling	I like gentoo.
2021-09-30 18:52:27	niki	You should probably tell that to the gentoo people in the gentoo channel
2021-09-30 18:52:50	fling	Ok.
2021-09-30 18:52:58	ℹ 	_arch-nemesis es conocido ahora como arch-nemesis
2021-09-30 18:52:58	SysGhost	We all like gentoo. Fun for the whole family.
2021-09-30 18:53:02	SysGhost	!gentoo
2021-09-30 18:53:03	phrik	Watching text scroll by for hours on end is fun for the whole family!
2021-09-30 18:53:22	fling	true
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2021-09-30 18:53:47	The-Compiler	I just tried that in PM up to !gentoo12 and now phrik is ignoring me for 5 minutes :(
2021-09-30 18:53:55	teraflops	heh
2021-09-30 18:54:09	teraflops	there is the poem as well
2021-09-30 18:54:30	teraflops	roses are red, sky is blue…
2021-09-30 18:54:35	tirnanog	of course, that never happens when using makepkg. no sirree bob.
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2021-09-30 18:57:08	The-Compiler	obligatory http://web.archive.org/web/20181217125236/http://funroll-loops.teurasporsaat.org/
2021-09-30 18:57:17	fling	yes ^
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2021-09-30 18:57:51	susi	wut
2021-09-30 18:58:08	The-Compiler	second best rant in the internet, just after https://eev.ee/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
2021-09-30 18:58:09	phrik	Title: PHP: a fractal of bad design / fuzzy notepad (at eev.ee)
2021-09-30 18:58:29	fling	what about c++
2021-09-30 18:58:48	earnestly	There is a the FGA
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2021-09-30 18:59:24	susi	did you know "teurasporsaat" means pigs meant to be slaughtered
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2021-09-30 19:02:14	Edu4rdSHL	roses are red, screen is blue...
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2021-09-30 19:12:43	ℹ 	saucyfox1 es conocido ahora como saucyfox
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2021-09-30 19:13:07	ℹ 	rwb es conocido ahora como rb
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2021-09-30 19:15:00	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2021-09-30 19:15:00	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1451 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1450 normals)
2021-09-30 19:14:13	Gagis	damn thats some memories. gentoo was my first distribution when I was like 14. a fun and intensive hobby for a teenager. kept linking that ricer rant and the infamous "asenna gentoo" hypnosis loop everywhere
2021-09-30 19:15:00	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-09-30 19:17:38	ℹ 	Gustavo6046_ es conocido ahora como Gustavo6046
2021-09-30 19:17:38	ℹ 	reverbtank7892 es conocido ahora como reverbtank789
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2021-09-30 19:25:47	ℹ 	rundown es conocido ahora como defjam
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2021-09-30 19:49:58	susi	>gentoo-release <not os-release
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2021-09-30 20:13:10	kuhilas	i think i just messed up something. I dualboot win10 and linux. I wanted to shrink win partition but win disk mangement didnt allow me to shrink it as much as i want so i found on microsoft forums that 3rd party tool aomei will do it for me. Seemed safe and i decided to try. It created a windows pe environment and then booted there to do operation but there it said it noticed i wanted to shrink
2021-09-30 20:13:10	kuhilas	system partition or so and said it would boot to
2021-09-30 20:13:10	kuhilas	preOS environment. There it started shrinking and after some minutes I guess it reached 100% or so and then I come check back screen and i see grub with colors inverted saying unknown file system and im at grub rescue. I try boot with ctrl alt del and i get the same grub screen. What should i do i wonder
2021-09-30 20:14:15	Gagis	try booting a live stick and running grub setup again
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2021-09-30 20:16:42	⚡ 	kuhilas uploaded an image: (202KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/pYUpJhTILExZEJsyBLnBDpzP/IMG_20210930_211510.jpg >
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2021-09-30 20:52:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2021-09-30 20:52:00	hiya	My user password has suddenly stopped working, does arch lock you out after a couple of tries? I guess I might tried it wrong.
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2021-09-30 20:52:04	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-09-30 20:52:06	hiya	sudo -i
2021-09-30 20:52:10	hiya	isn't working now
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2021-09-30 21:11:27	kuhilas	Gagis: h4rd3n3D susi thanks sorry for slow response. I managed to boot to windows through boot menu -> windows boot manager instead of grub, as I had that also available. I will try reinstalling grub tomorrow
2021-09-30 21:12:28	kuhilas	the resize C on win operation seemed to finish succesfully and windows is working after it did some restore/fix operation upon first boot after the incident
2021-09-30 21:13:04	hiya	susi: Namarrgon thanks I would study it more
2021-09-30 21:16:19	susi	hmm, I edited faillock.conf.. wonder what should I restart, if anything
2021-09-30 21:16:56	grazzolini_	susi: ah, right, the root unlock time is 15 minutes
2021-09-30 21:17:00	susi	probably nothing, if pam_faillock re-reads the conf every time it's invoked
2021-09-30 21:34:07	frat3rius	is there any particular reason why opera and vivaldi are in arch packages and brave is not?
2021-09-30 21:35:50	Namarrgon	usually it's either that nobody wants to maintain it or that it's illegal to redistribute the project
2021-09-30 21:38:03	frat3rius	yup just wanted to know if it has something to do with brave itself
2021-09-30 21:38:34	Mysterytrain	they're all crhomium friends aren't they.
2021-09-30 21:39:42	frat3rius	yup all based on chromium and all has some closed source code
2021-09-30 21:40:02	frat3rius	actually not chromium but it's engine
2021-09-30 21:49:24	Namarrgon	frat3rius: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/brave/#pinned-824445
2021-09-30 21:49:25	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - brave (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-09-30 21:52:03	frat3rius	Namarrgon thx for that!
2021-09-30 21:52:47	lmat	Okay, I give up. How do I get docker-compose back? :-D
2021-09-30 21:53:37	lmat	docker compose doesn't work the same way and I can't launch my projects anymore. I just did the update for docker-compose 1.29.2-1 -> 2.0.0-1.
2021-09-30 21:54:20	ali	hi, I have a 32Gb usb stick and after attempting to factory reset it I screwed: it now shows up as a 4gb drive and I can't find how to fix it
2021-09-30 21:54:54	ali	could you help me restoring it to it's full capacity?
2021-09-30 21:54:58	lmat	ali: You'll want to make sure it has the correct partitions (probably just one partition?), then make sure it has a properly-sized filesystem on that partition.
2021-09-30 21:55:12	ali	my goal is to dd some linux image
2021-09-30 21:55:15	ali	onto it
2021-09-30 21:55:43	lmat	OOOHHH. Then you probably didn't make a mistake. The linux image might have a 4 GB partition on it, so you dded a 4gb partition and now that's all it has...
2021-09-30 21:55:45	tirnanog	in which respect does it show as being 4gb?
2021-09-30 21:59:17	ali	lmat tirnanog I can't copy more than 4gb on it: https://dpaste.org/RxNj#
2021-09-30 21:59:18	phrik	Title: dpaste/RxNj (Bash) (at dpaste.org)
2021-09-30 21:59:19	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-gH6.txt
2021-09-30 21:59:35	tirnanog	ah. that's not good.
2021-09-30 21:59:40	lmat	successfully downgraded to docker-compose 1.29.2-1! It was easy. Thanks, pacman!
2021-09-30 22:00:33	lmat	Ohhhh, interesting. How large is your ISO?
2021-09-30 22:00:37	ali	tirnanog, lmat and the output  of fdisk: https://dpaste.org/1Qso
2021-09-30 22:00:38	phrik	Title: dpaste/1Qso (Bash) (at dpaste.org)
2021-09-30 22:00:39	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-gHI.txt
2021-09-30 22:01:04	ali	what do you think?
2021-09-30 22:03:26	tirnanog	I fear that it may be done for.
2021-09-30 22:03:53	Namarrgon	how did you "factory reset" it?
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2021-09-30 23:27:58	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1338 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1337 normals)
2021-09-30 22:28:05	ali	Namarrgon, do you know what happened? is it related to my pacman update without reboot?
2021-09-30 22:28:45	Namarrgon	no, something in the kernel got wedged in
2021-09-30 22:28:58	Namarrgon	it happens
2021-09-30 22:29:34	ali	good to know
2021-09-30 22:29:39	ali	thank you
2021-09-30 22:29:50	maztheman	conan seems to be broken when i try to use cppstd 20
2021-09-30 22:30:05	maztheman	there is a new version 1.40.3
2021-09-30 22:30:42	maztheman	dangit
2021-09-30 22:30:59	maztheman	ERROR: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='center.conan.io', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: /v1/ping (Caused by SSLError(SSLCertVerificationError(1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: certificate has expired (_ssl.c:1129)')))
2021-09-30 22:32:03	LiveWire	cant get my ethernet to run at 1000, boots up at 100. If i switch with ethtool the link goes down. Any simple fix? been googling
2021-09-30 22:33:10	demize	maztheman: Whatever conan is, it's using some SSL lib that doesn't handle short chain validation properly.
2021-09-30 22:33:26	demize	So it's failing because of the DST root ca expiry.
2021-09-30 22:34:46	maztheman	demize, conan is a c++ depenency manager. its written in python.
2021-09-30 22:34:56	maztheman	hmm cant spell
2021-09-30 22:35:30	Namarrgon	update conan to .3
2021-09-30 22:36:02	Namarrgon	this is the fallout of the let's encrypt cert expiring
2021-09-30 22:42:04	Namarrgon	https://docs.certifytheweb.com/docs/kb/kb-202109-letsencrypt/
2021-09-30 22:42:05	phrik	Title: Let's Encrypt DST Root CA X3 expiry Sept 30th 2021 | Certify The Web Docs (at docs.certifytheweb.com)
2021-09-30 22:43:08	maztheman	yeah I think ill have to figure out how to do that
2021-09-30 22:43:16	Namarrgon	how to update conan?
2021-09-30 22:43:19	maztheman	i leverage yay for conan
2021-09-30 22:43:25	maztheman	(i think)
2021-09-30 22:44:10	Namarrgon	1) uninstall yay 2) read the AUR page on the wiki 3) ??? 4) update conan 5) profit
2021-09-30 22:44:25	maztheman	hey now
2021-09-30 22:44:29	maztheman	why unstall yay
2021-09-30 22:45:32	coruja	!give maztheman aurhelper
2021-09-30 22:45:33	phrik	maztheman: Just use aurutils already
2021-09-30 22:45:58	Namarrgon	it's in your way to packaging-enlightenment
2021-09-30 22:46:40	heythere221	does anyone know why sensors wont show RPMs of my fans?
2021-09-30 22:47:46	Namarrgon	did it detect the sensors?
2021-09-30 22:48:26	heythere221	I think so. I did sensors-detect.
2021-09-30 22:48:33	heythere221	Have you read my previous message?
2021-09-30 22:49:08	Namarrgon	no but your paste expired
2021-09-30 22:49:48	maztheman	okay
2021-09-30 22:49:51	maztheman	fine fine
2021-09-30 22:49:55	heythere221	Hi im trying to setup lm-sensors but im having a little trouble identifying my graphics card. Are my Graphics card temperatures being represented by the "coretemp-isa-000" category? And pch_cometlake-virtual-0 is my CPU right? Pastebin: https://pastebin.com/ejPEN9kr
2021-09-30 22:49:56	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-gXc.txt
2021-09-30 22:49:57	phrik	Title: coretemp-isa-0000Adapter: ISA adapterPackage id 0: +42.0°C (high = +100.0° - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-09-30 22:50:05	heythere221	that was my previous message I just updated the paste.
2021-09-30 22:52:38	Namarrgon	it depends on the hardware. not everything is supported by the kernel and even if it is supported it's sometimes not detected (correctly) by sensors-detect
2021-09-30 22:52:54	Namarrgon	it's also possible that the hardware doesn't report the fan rpm
2021-09-30 22:54:21	heythere221	Somehow my fans work properly without an issue. Is it possible that the bios is preventing software altering the fan speeds? I'm trying to tune the temperatures and RPMs a bit so my laptop is a little more silent while ideling.
2021-09-30 22:54:45	heythere221	I can change fan RPM on windows 10 tho
2021-09-30 22:55:22	Namarrgon	if it's possible from windows then it's theoretically possible from linux
2021-09-30 22:55:34	Namarrgon	someone might need to write a driver or two
2021-09-30 22:56:35	heythere221	Yeah that's what I thought as well... I have an MSI laptop so fan speeds are being controlled by MSI dragon center. Maybe this dragon center can alter some firmware which wouldn't be normally possible with other programs? 
2021-09-30 22:57:25	Namarrgon	i doubt that that is the case but it's possible
2021-09-30 22:57:49	heythere221	also do you think its safe to try instructions for modifying fan speed which are meant for another MSI laptop model?
2021-09-30 22:58:01	heythere221	instructions on the wiki 
2021-09-30 22:58:46	Namarrgon	you have to decide whether it's worth the risk
2021-09-30 22:58:46	heythere221	okay thx. i can live without it. its not a big issue:)
2021-09-30 23:02:58	horseface	when using the dd utility to create the size of the swap file, how can i list my computer's memory in the same units as dd uses so that i may allocate exactly the amount the i have of RAM to the swap file?
2021-09-30 23:03:12	horseface	like i guess just which program can show the memory capacity..?
2021-09-30 23:03:37	aaket504	free -h
2021-09-30 23:03:37	Namarrgon	why do you need to make the file exactly the size of "the" memory? 
2021-09-30 23:03:53	horseface	thank you.
2021-09-30 23:04:17	aaket504	you're welcome
2021-09-30 23:04:19	horseface	oh just because i suppose that this makes sense for when using suspend to disk, Namarrgon.
2021-09-30 23:04:32	Namarrgon	no, this does not make sense for s2d.
2021-09-30 23:04:44	horseface	hmm... why?
2021-09-30 23:04:47	Namarrgon	the image is never going to be the exact size or larger than the amount of ram in the system.
2021-09-30 23:04:53	horseface	well i know that...
2021-09-30 23:05:06	Namarrgon	then why the pointless precision?
2021-09-30 23:05:10	horseface	but it should be close to the maximum if it is under heavy load.
2021-09-30 23:05:18	Namarrgon	no, it will never be close
2021-09-30 23:05:18	horseface	well, just becausee haha.
2021-09-30 23:05:23	horseface	hmm...
2021-09-30 23:05:51	horseface	well i am not too familiar with the operation of s2d although this just seemed to be logical.
2021-09-30 23:05:51	horseface	lol
2021-09-30 23:06:09	Namarrgon	horseface: not all ram is usable by software or even the kernel, the caches/buffers aren't stored in the image,  the image is compressed
2021-09-30 23:14:13	horseface	i see...
2021-09-30 23:14:16	horseface	thank you Namarrgon.
2021-09-30 23:17:24	maztheman	anyways the aur is not updated with latest, and using pip now vs code cant recognize it..
2021-09-30 23:17:30	maztheman	something is misconfigured
2021-09-30 23:17:45	Namarrgon	bump the $pkgrel yourself
2021-09-30 23:17:51	Namarrgon	ugh, $pkgver
2021-09-30 23:18:11	maztheman	for instance just typing in conan says its not there
2021-09-30 23:18:15	maztheman	sweet deal
2021-09-30 23:18:22	Namarrgon	did you install it system-widew with pip?
2021-09-30 23:18:40	maztheman	pip install conan... so i dont think so
2021-09-30 23:18:46	maztheman	but it doesnt work the same user ?
2021-09-30 23:19:10	Namarrgon	it usually does
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2021-10-01 00:01:47	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1330 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1329 normals)
2021-09-30 23:45:49	pulec	do I need just ttf-joypixels for displaying stuff like
2021-09-30 23:45:52	pulec	!trainbow
2021-09-30 23:45:53	phrik	🚂 🚊 🚉 🚞 🚆 🚄 🚅 🚈 🚇 🚝 🚋 🚃 🚟
2021-09-30 23:45:54	pulec	?
2021-09-30 23:46:50	pulec	hm seems so
2021-09-30 23:47:06	coruja	!give pulec emoji
2021-09-30 23:47:08	phrik	pulec: If you're having trouble with emoji or other unicode characters, noto-fonts noto-fonts-emoji noto-fonts-cjk should give you pretty good unicode coverage. See !fonts and https://www.google.com/get/noto/ for more details.
2021-09-30 23:47:25	pulec	ah, thx
2021-09-30 23:54:39	Cirrus_Minor	pulec: if you use rofi, check out this rofimoji.py scrip  http://ix.io/3Asa
2021-09-30 23:55:09	pulec	Cirrus_Minor: interesting
2021-09-30 23:55:11	pulec	but I use dmenu
2021-09-30 23:55:20	pulec	and I don't need to paste emojis
2021-09-30 23:55:24	Cirrus_Minor	theres a dmenu one too
2021-09-30 23:55:28	Cirrus_Minor	ok
2021-09-30 23:55:28	pulec	saving it anyways
2021-09-30 23:55:31	pulec	no pls lol
2021-09-30 23:56:28	maztheman	sudo pip install conan 
2021-09-30 23:56:34	maztheman	seemed to do the job properly
2021-09-30 23:56:54	HuntsMan	never use pip with sudo!
2021-09-30 23:56:56	Cirrus_Minor	sudo pip ? hmmm
2021-09-30 23:57:14	Cirrus_Minor	!give HuntsMan virtualvenv
2021-09-30 23:57:16	phrik	HuntsMan: The answer is 42.
2021-09-30 23:57:19	Cirrus_Minor	!give HuntsMan virtualenv
2021-09-30 23:57:21	phrik	HuntsMan: No idea
2021-09-30 23:57:23	Carcas	Can someone help me add a kernel parameter to grub? I read the Kernel parameters page and added ipv6.disable=1 to /etc/default/grub. But then it tells me to run "# grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg", but /boot/grub does not exist
2021-09-30 23:57:36	Cirrus_Minor	!aw virtualenv
2021-09-30 23:57:37	phrik	Cirrus_Minor: Virtualenv - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Virtualenv
2021-09-30 23:57:50	Carcas	adding manually when loading grub works, but I'd like to make it permanent
2021-09-30 23:57:57	pulec	or search for the package in repos or in aur maztheman 
2021-09-30 23:58:30	maztheman	pulec, sadly conan is old
2021-09-30 23:58:33	pulec	but /boot/grub/ folder does not exist Carcas?
2021-09-30 23:58:46	maztheman	i dont know enough to 'fix' it
2021-09-30 23:59:07	maztheman	surely it would be easier to just bump some version or something but...dunno
2021-09-30 23:59:08	Carcas	pulec: it doesn't. I only have this there: EFI  initramfs-linux-fallback.img  initramfs-linux.img	intel-ucode.img  memtest86+  vmlinuz-linux
2021-09-30 23:59:16	pulec	maztheman: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/conan
2021-09-30 23:59:18	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - conan (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-09-30 23:59:18	pulec	pls
2021-09-30 23:59:24	maztheman	yes
2021-09-30 23:59:28	maztheman	its 1.40.2
2021-09-30 23:59:33	Carcas	oh damn, there's EFI/grub. It that the same
2021-09-30 23:59:34	maztheman	newest is 1.40.3
2021-09-30 23:59:49	pulec	efi/grub/grub.cf ?
2021-09-30 23:59:50	Carcas	that's a question actually: "is that the same"?
2021-09-30 23:59:55	pulec	you seem to found it
2021-10-01 00:00:13	pulec	when in doubt do find / -iname "grub.cfg"
2021-10-01 00:00:15	pulec	lol
2021-10-01 00:00:23	Carcas	pulec: you think it's worth adding that to the wiki or that's a no brainer?
2021-10-01 00:00:49	pulec	adding what to wiki? how would you even put this information into few sentences?
2021-10-01 00:01:24	pulec	maztheman: pls use virtualenv or some alternatives of the like
2021-10-01 00:01:31	pulec	never ever again run sudo pip install
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2021-10-01 00:01:49	Carcas	"the grub directory could be a subdirectory of EFI" or change that $(find-location-of-the-file)
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2021-10-01 01:23:11	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1318 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1317 normals)
2021-10-01 00:18:22	maztheman	grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=esp --bootloader-id=GRUB <--
2021-10-01 00:18:22	jcbjoe2021	Thanks coruja
2021-10-01 00:18:42	maztheman	that actually installs it
2021-10-01 00:19:23	maztheman	esp is like /boot/EFI/GRUB 
2021-10-01 00:19:27	th0rne	Sorry, I had some issues with my shell. Did mingdao solve his problem?
2021-10-01 00:20:25	Carcas	maztheman: grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/EFI --bootloader-id=GRUB         ?
2021-10-01 00:20:45	Carcas	oh, you wrote it below
2021-10-01 00:20:48	maztheman	Carcas, grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/EFI/GRUB --bootloader-id=GRUB
2021-10-01 00:21:03	Carcas	how to I reverse that if anything goes wrong?
2021-10-01 00:21:05	maztheman	itll do a bunch of stuff then you can reboot
2021-10-01 00:21:15	maztheman	you make another config, and install agian
2021-10-01 00:21:29	maztheman	if something really bad happpens have the archlinux live cd available
2021-10-01 00:21:47	maztheman	so you can chroot into your install and fix whatever was wrong
2021-10-01 00:22:37	Carcas	ok, restarting
2021-10-01 00:23:25	maztheman	he was never seen again
2021-10-01 00:24:26	Carcas	maztheman: nothing happened
2021-10-01 00:24:39	Carcas	the parameter was not added
2021-10-01 00:24:56	maztheman	how do you know ?
2021-10-01 00:25:36	maztheman	you said "sudo dmesg | more"
2021-10-01 00:25:39	Carcas	maztheman: when boot options appeared, I edited it and the parameter was not there. Also, ifconfig outputs a ipv6. If I added it manually, ifconfig doesn't output it
2021-10-01 00:25:44	maztheman	and the second line did not have it ?
2021-10-01 00:26:18	Carcas	the line with params didn't (not sure what 2nd means here)
2021-10-01 00:26:33	maztheman	run sudo dmesg | more
2021-10-01 00:26:54	Carcas	Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-linux root=UUID=901e32eb-e236-4d28-b90d-e1b9884b33be rw quiet
2021-10-01 00:27:19	maztheman	its possible you have a typo in the config
2021-10-01 00:27:35	Carcas	and now I have /boot/grub, which I didn't have before
2021-10-01 00:30:20	Carcas	inside /boot/EFI/grub/grub.cfg: linux   /vmlinuz-linux root=UUID=........... rw  loglevel=3 quiet ipv6.disable=1
2021-10-01 00:30:21	maztheman	yuou said "grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
2021-10-01 00:30:32	maztheman	?
2021-10-01 00:31:05	Carcas	maztheman: it didn't exist then I tried that command (right before I joined here)
2021-10-01 00:31:27	maztheman	ok what does /boot/grub/grub.cfg say
2021-10-01 00:31:57	horseface	i once had a graphical utility which displayed all of the files/folders on my system and like it was arranged graphically in an easily viewable or understandable way like larger capacities were shown as larger blocks on the graphical representation..?
2021-10-01 00:32:12	horseface	Namarrgon, i think that you told me about this one...
2021-10-01 00:32:20	horseface	hmm...
2021-10-01 00:32:32	Carcas	maztheman: there's no grub.cfg there
2021-10-01 00:32:47	Carcas	there's a x86_64-efi dir, but no cfg inside
2021-10-01 00:32:50	maztheman	ok my recommendation is to run the command i just said
2021-10-01 00:33:00	maztheman	this is the normal install path
2021-10-01 00:33:25	Carcas	which one? grub-mkconfig (but there's no cfg file)
2021-10-01 00:33:45	maztheman	yes grub-mkconfig, it will create a new one for you
2021-10-01 00:34:05	horseface	so does anybody know of a graphical utility to report file system usage?
2021-10-01 00:34:15	maztheman	Carcas, then do a  grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/EFI/GRUB --bootloader-id=GRUB
2021-10-01 00:34:27	maztheman	this is how i installed my boot stuff
2021-10-01 00:34:54	maztheman	before you reboot, inspect /boot/grub/grub.cfg to make sure it has what you need
2021-10-01 00:35:03	Carcas	maztheman: in this last command, should efi-directory be /boot/grub instead of /boot/EFI/grub?
2021-10-01 00:35:14	maztheman	it should be what i wrote
2021-10-01 00:35:27	Carcas	but this is the same command I ran before I restarted last time
2021-10-01 00:37:09	ianliu	Has anyone got a logitech c920e? my microphone isn't showing up anywhere. I just saw that, on windows, you have to install LOGI TUNE to turn the microphone on... is there an alternative on Linux?
2021-10-01 00:37:28	ianliu	a logitech webcam c920e*
2021-10-01 00:38:06	maztheman	hm
2021-10-01 00:39:16	maztheman	ok i tracked down my exactly command: grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/grub --bootloader-id=GRUB
2021-10-01 00:39:21	revoltingPeasant	I'm Installed 'C++ MFC for latest v142 build tools (x86 x64)' installed but cmake fails to find it. 
2021-10-01 00:41:12	maztheman	what version of cmake
2021-10-01 00:41:57	maztheman	i still see ipv6 carcas
2021-10-01 00:42:11	Carcas	maztheman: it doesn't work. The ipv6.disable line is not there
2021-10-01 00:42:34	maztheman	ok show me the line in /etc/default/grub
2021-10-01 00:42:39	maztheman	might have a typo
2021-10-01 00:43:02	Carcas	maztheman: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="loglevel=3 quiet ipv6.disable=1"
2021-10-01 00:43:52	maztheman	and /boot/grub/grub.cfg does not have that ?
2021-10-01 00:44:54	Carcas	maztheman: linux   /vmlinuz-linux root=UUID=............ rw  loglevel=3 quiet ipv6.disable=1
2021-10-01 00:45:35	maztheman	so sudo dmesg | more still does not have it on the second line ?
2021-10-01 00:47:06	Carcas	maztheman: exatcly =/
2021-10-01 00:47:19	maztheman	well then
2021-10-01 00:47:23	maztheman	we have a pickle
2021-10-01 00:48:07	maztheman	ok have you treied using sysctl to disable ipv6
2021-10-01 00:48:12	Carcas	inside grub.cfg, the ipv6 part is inside a section called ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/10_linux ###. No idea if that's relevant
2021-10-01 00:48:21	maztheman	let me see mine
2021-10-01 00:49:02	maztheman	mine is in 00_linux
2021-10-01 00:49:09	maztheman	so you have 2 grub options
2021-10-01 00:49:10	maztheman	?
2021-10-01 00:49:32	Carcas	2 entries? Yes. Arch linux and advanced options
2021-10-01 00:51:14	maztheman	hrm 10_linux seems normal
2021-10-01 00:51:19	Scimmia	maztheman: wait, you have your ESP mounted to /boot/grub? That's really odd.
2021-10-01 00:51:40	maztheman	Scimmia, yes its possible that it was not the final final thing i tried
2021-10-01 00:51:58	maztheman	I kinda threw everything at boot thingy
2021-10-01 00:52:12	maztheman	but im here so..im alive ?
2021-10-01 00:52:20	Carcas	alive and with ipv6 disabled
2021-10-01 00:52:47	maztheman	yes i disabled ipv6 via sysctl.d
2021-10-01 00:53:02	maztheman	but i also have iommu turned on via grub options
2021-10-01 00:53:40	Carcas	as kernel param is enough. It does disable it if I add it manually. I'm clueless why I can't change my grub boot options
2021-10-01 00:54:11	maztheman	!paste
2021-10-01 00:54:11	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-10-01 00:54:42	maztheman	https://paste.rs/wVj
2021-10-01 00:54:45	maztheman	tree structure
2021-10-01 00:55:24	maztheman	the EFI/GRUB/* was my first attempt im sure
2021-10-01 01:00:30	maztheman	you are doing all these commands as root right ?
2021-10-01 01:01:11	Carcas	yes, sure
2021-10-01 01:05:17	maztheman	this is bare metal or vm ?
2021-10-01 01:05:28	Carcas	maztheman: bare metal
2021-10-01 01:06:07	Carcas	maztheman: does grub-install necessarily read from /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
2021-10-01 01:07:55	Carcas	--boot-directory=DIR: install GRUB images under the directory DIR/grub instead of the /boot/grub directory
2021-10-01 01:08:11	Scimmia	grub-install does not; in fact, you generally run grub-install before ever generating that file
2021-10-01 01:09:50	Carcas	Scimmia: any idea why by grub entries do not match the config at /boot/grub/grub.cfg, after running #grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/EFI/grub --bootloader-id=GRUB?
2021-10-01 01:10:06	Carcas	my grub*
2021-10-01 01:10:17	Scimmia	well that efi-directory doesn't make much sense, for one
2021-10-01 01:10:33	Scimmia	so who knows what you're actually booting
2021-10-01 01:11:25	Carcas	Scimmia: what would be a more reasonable location?
2021-10-01 01:11:34	Scimmia	where is you ESP mounted?
2021-10-01 01:12:02	Carcas	I thought it was /boot/EFI/grub. How can I check?
2021-10-01 01:12:23	maztheman	hmm /dev/sda1 -> /boot  ?
2021-10-01 01:12:28	maztheman	from fstab
2021-10-01 01:12:30	maztheman	?
2021-10-01 01:12:41	Scimmia	Carcas: you mounted a partition there? Why?
2021-10-01 01:12:55	Scimmia	anyway, see the output of `mount1`
2021-10-01 01:12:59	Scimmia	`mount`
2021-10-01 01:13:03	Carcas	   /dev/sda1 -> /boot
2021-10-01 01:13:13	Scimmia	so that's your efi-directory
2021-10-01 01:13:43	Carcas	alright. Let me try it again
2021-10-01 01:13:56	maztheman	hmm interesting
2021-10-01 01:14:49	maztheman	surely itll work now
2021-10-01 01:15:26	maztheman	i wish the wiki made it simple and said what you said
2021-10-01 01:15:44	maztheman	for dumb dumbs like me
2021-10-01 01:16:03	Scimmia	it does: Mount the EFI system partition and in the remainder of this section, substitute esp with its mount point.
2021-10-01 01:16:10	maztheman	oh hmm reading is hard "Mount the EFI system partition and in the remainder of this section, substitute esp with its mount point."
2021-10-01 01:16:33	Carcas	life saver!
2021-10-01 01:16:35	maztheman	it worked!
2021-10-01 01:16:43	pulec	huray!
2021-10-01 01:16:44	maztheman	+1 to Scimmia 
2021-10-01 01:16:47	pulec	have you learned anything?
2021-10-01 01:17:01	Scimmia	glad to hear it
2021-10-01 01:17:08	Carcas	I've learned I was totally clueless
2021-10-01 01:17:17	AlexC	!next
2021-10-01 01:17:18	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2021-10-01 01:17:20	Carcas	kidding. So efi-directory is where boot is mounted
2021-10-01 01:17:31	Carcas	thanks a lot!
2021-10-01 01:18:15	pulec	!give Carcas aw EFI system partition
2021-10-01 01:18:17	phrik	Carcas: EFI system partition - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFI_system_partition
2021-10-01 01:18:22	pulec	you don't have to read all of it
2021-10-01 01:18:31	pulec	but make some notes so you know for next time
2021-10-01 01:18:39	pulec	or if you will work on another PC
2021-10-01 01:19:31	Carcas	I'll do, thanks. Yeah, once I changed boot config to legacy boot and things got messed up (it seems this is common in Lenovo) and I had a tough time repairing it
2021-10-01 01:19:39	Carcas	maybe that's why it's a little messed up now
2021-10-01 01:23:13	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-01 02:10:10	Cirrus_Minor	ianliu: c920 works OOTB here on arch, try this in terminal mplayer tv:// and use pavucontrol  to enable mic
2021-10-01 02:44:52	maztheman	i learned that if i need a problem solved to track down Scimmia and make them solve it for me
2021-10-01 02:45:35	maztheman	hmm does anyone of if like logitech mouse software is available for linux ?
2021-10-01 02:45:52	maztheman	i have a RGB mouse and I need to tame the brightness
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2021-10-01 03:48:21	perrierjouet	firefox crashed twice
2021-10-01 03:49:29	thrice	!panic
2021-10-01 03:49:30	phrik	http://eured.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/oh-noes-everybody-panic.gif
2021-10-01 03:51:52	⚡ 	jonathon , in a fit of whimsy, wonders how an application can crash twice
2021-10-01 03:53:24	perrierjouet	this site https://earthly.dev/blog/awk-examples/ made ff crash twice
2021-10-01 03:53:25	phrik	Title: Understanding AWK - Earthly Blog (at earthly.dev)
2021-10-01 03:53:52	perrierjouet	ff closed twice when I was on that site
2021-10-01 03:56:51	dmc	but how many times did it crash tho
2021-10-01 03:59:50	jonathon	loads ok for me in Tor Browser 10.5.6 and Nightly 94a1
2021-10-01 04:04:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-01 05:06:15	kevr	lol
2021-10-01 05:22:21	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-01 07:44:22	mohan43u	how to make emacs work with ibus in gnome?
2021-10-01 07:45:19	mohan43u	I thought emacs UI in gnome should be able to work automatically with whatever input method gnome uses.
2021-10-01 07:45:36	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-10-01 07:47:21	ash_worksi	I'm looking for a simple program that can time activity. Basically something that works like a screensaver, except instead of changing the screen, just log the timer (I presume there must be a timer to make a screensaver work)
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2021-10-01 08:00:18	Cork	depending on what system you use for know you could use dbus-monitor to monitor the gnome.ScreenSaver events
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2021-10-01 08:00:19	ash_worksi	Cork: I'll look into that
2021-10-01 08:00:19	ash_worksi	the problem is, I don't actually want to watch the screensaver
2021-10-01 08:00:19	Cork	s/for know/for gnome/
2021-10-01 08:00:19	jmcantrell	Anyone know how I can get the system to recognize a change in the disk size after resizing it in virtualbox?
2021-10-01 08:00:19	ash_worksi	I don't care about the screensaver functionality whatsoever, I just want something that listens the the same events and logs the time
2021-10-01 08:00:19	Cork	ash_worksi: that is dbus events it doesn't have to actually start a screensaver
2021-10-01 08:00:19	ash_worksi	(ideally, an active interval, but I'll make due with just timestamps)
2021-10-01 08:00:19	ash_worksi	Cork: oh really?
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2021-10-01 08:28:18	ash_m	So the dbus-monitor thing is a great idea, but it seems like the screen saver has to actually perform an action to trigger any kind of effect. I basically just want to know/track how long the computer is (not) idle
2021-10-01 08:29:25	ash_m	So, basically print an "activity detected" timestamp and "idle detected" timestamp
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2021-10-01 08:32:27	ash_m	This seems like something many programs do regularly, I'd be shocked if this doesn't exist as some stand alone thing
2021-10-01 08:32:27	ash_m	Really, I think tmux might even do this
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2021-10-01 08:32:43	ash_m	So, any elaboration on the dbus-monitor idea would be greatly appreciated
2021-10-01 08:33:05	ash_m	Or any other pertinent idea
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2021-10-01 09:00:54	teraflops	jmcantrell: you have to resize the disk _inside_ the guest operating system as well
2021-10-01 09:01:37	jmcantrell	teraflops: is this in virtualbox?
2021-10-01 09:02:16	jmcantrell	i noticed there was another vdi with a uuid filename tucked inside the one i resized. that one?
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2021-10-01 09:03:19	teraflops	you did add a new disk or resized en axisting one?
2021-10-01 09:03:34	teraflops	also, are you usong lvm?
2021-10-01 09:03:37	teraflops	using^
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2021-10-01 09:04:37	teraflops	the procedure is, change size inside VB, then, something like ls /sys/class/scsi_host/ | while read host ; do echo “- – -” > /sys/class/scsi_host/$host/scan ; done that is if you add a new disk for the guest OS to pick new stuff
2021-10-01 09:04:47	◣	ArchNoob (~maotora@user/archnoob) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2021-10-01 09:04:55	teraflops	then do your lvm/extent things on the guest
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2021-10-01 09:08:05	jmcantrell	teraflops: i had to resize a vdi that was inside of the other vdi (in the vbox ui), then pvscan. after that. the new size was visible
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2021-10-01 09:31:43	tatsumaru	hey guys, how can I clear save path history for some of my apps that still exist in drop down menus even though the directories no longer exist?
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2021-10-01 09:38:58	Nitrousoxide	Is there going to be an ArchConf 2021?
2021-10-01 09:39:07	NetSysFire	probably not
2021-10-01 09:39:17	Nitrousoxide	Damn that sucks, not even online?
2021-10-01 09:39:26	NetSysFire	nope, no one planned it afaik
2021-10-01 09:39:41	NetSysFire	there is #archlinux-conf for things dedicated to it but highly unlikely there will be one this year
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2021-10-01 09:57:15	ℹ 	abc_ es conocido ahora como zwindl
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2021-10-01 10:24:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2021-10-01 10:24:30	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1307 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1306 normals)
2021-10-01 10:24:32	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-01 10:25:29	rcf	DeeJayh__: usually there's nothing to diagnose after the fact, with that sort of crash the disks are not synced in time to preserve any logs. You'd want netconsole or a monitor hooked up or a serial console 
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2021-10-01 10:29:55	mpan	EMIYA: ?
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2021-10-01 10:33:25	DeeJayh__	rcf: okay, thank you for the heads up. crazy. I've been running linux for years, granted ubuntu until this year, and never had that happen. First time for everything. Thanks again!
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2021-10-01 11:07:28	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2021-10-01 11:07:28	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1309 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1309 normals)
2021-10-01 11:05:30	shantaram	https://i.imgur.com/kvJS3pl.png
2021-10-01 11:07:28	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-01 11:23:45	engys	hi, since openssh 8.8p1-1 my key authentification fails on older debian systems 
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2021-10-01 11:23:50	engys	any suggestions?
2021-10-01 11:24:24	Namarrgon	engys: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/72250
2021-10-01 11:24:25	phrik	Title: FS#72250 : [openssh] Fails to use loaded ssh keys (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2021-10-01 11:24:27	teraflops	update your older debian systems or pass the right cypher with the ssh connection string
2021-10-01 11:24:38	Namarrgon	megumin: what is broken?
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2021-10-01 11:25:39	megumin	Namarrgon, i've got SSL handshake timed out
2021-10-01 11:26:00	Namarrgon	okay and why is that cron's fault? what is the full output?
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2021-10-01 11:26:54	megumin	i ran that command manually and it worked
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2021-10-01 11:28:49	Namarrgon	you got an ssh-handshake timeout running 'cat'?
2021-10-01 11:28:58	Namarrgon	*ssl
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2021-10-01 11:31:03	megumin	i've got ssl timeout when cron ran 'cat'
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2021-10-01 11:32:10	engys	Namarrgon, teraflops thanks for the hints
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2021-10-01 11:38:27	rkleef	Can anybody here confirm that the current version of tzdata (2021b) is the upstream version (with the pre-1970 timezone merges of many european timezones)?
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2021-10-01 11:58:40	Namarrgon	rkleef: arch ships it as upstream release it, with some of the planned changes but not all. I think most of the european were reverted for this release.
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2021-10-01 12:03:40	ℹ 	ls es conocido ahora como luca020400
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2021-10-01 12:05:29	Foxboron	rkleef: I can install it, how would I verify if it has the change or not?
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2021-10-01 12:06:36	Namarrgon	https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2021-September/030760.html
2021-10-01 12:06:37	phrik	Title: [tz] [tz-announce] 2021b release of tz code and data available (at mm.icann.org)
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2021-10-01 12:07:11	aminvakil	i just saw docker-compose has been removed from official repositories, what do you suggest to replace, installing docker-compose (docker compose) on arch?
2021-10-01 12:07:13	Namarrgon	"The affected Zones are Africa/Accra, America/Atikokan, America/Blanc-Sablon, America/Creston, America/Curacao, America/Nassau, America/Port_of_Spain, Antarctica/DumontDUrville, and Antarctica/Syowa."
2021-10-01 12:07:24	Namarrgon	aminvakil: 'docker compose'
2021-10-01 12:07:55	aminvakil	it's already builtin? i thought it's going to be in next versions
2021-10-01 12:08:28	Namarrgon	i tought that was the plan, to have it merged into 'docker' before removing the standalone
2021-10-01 12:09:01	aminvakil	well, i just removed docker-compose (2.0.0-1) and running docker compose tells me "docker: 'compose' is not a docker command."
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2021-10-01 12:10:01	baltazar	hi! any ideas on recovering a broken FAT32 filesystem?
2021-10-01 12:10:21	NetSysFire	how broken is broken?
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2021-10-01 12:10:42	teraflops	baltazar: fsck -f?
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2021-10-01 12:11:06	baltazar	teraflops: no luck with fsck, I get "Logical sector size (16 bytes) is not a multiple of the physical sector size."
2021-10-01 12:11:08	NetSysFire	and first of all, do you have backups?
2021-10-01 12:11:33	baltazar	NetSysFire: well, it's not mine, it's a pendrive of a friend of mine
2021-10-01 12:11:55	NetSysFire	!eightball did the pendrive just break?
2021-10-01 12:11:55	phrik	NetSysFire: NO.
2021-10-01 12:11:57	baltazar	mount just gives "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error."
2021-10-01 12:12:04	NetSysFire	alright, phrik said theres hope
2021-10-01 12:12:20	NetSysFire	so do you need to recover data first?
2021-10-01 12:12:46	Namarrgon	aminvakil: looks like "docker stack" is the rough equivalent now
2021-10-01 12:13:01	baltazar	NetSysFire: that's the main goal, I can just create a new fs on it later, possibly do a badblocks on it first
2021-10-01 12:13:19	Namarrgon	baltazar: uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2021-10-01 12:13:20	ℹ 	Sadale_ es conocido ahora como Sadale
2021-10-01 12:13:26	baltazar	currently I'm dd-ing it into an image
2021-10-01 12:13:27	NetSysFire	!give baltazar aw data recovery
2021-10-01 12:13:28	phrik	baltazar: Data recovery - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Data_recovery
2021-10-01 12:13:33	NetSysFire	yeah the image is important
2021-10-01 12:13:47	NetSysFire	you dont want to work with the stick, you want to work with the image since its already there
2021-10-01 12:14:03	baltazar	Namarrgon: most certainly not an issue on my side since it's dead on their computer as well, but the versions do match
2021-10-01 12:14:52	Namarrgon	aminvakil: https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/docker-compose/ 
2021-10-01 12:14:53	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - docker-compose 2.0.1-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2021-10-01 12:14:54	baltazar	NetSysFire: read that, tried testdisk, no luck
2021-10-01 12:15:07	Namarrgon	aminvakil: where did you see that it was removed?
2021-10-01 12:15:11	NetSysFire	tell your friend to have backups
2021-10-01 12:15:20	aminvakil	Namarrgon: rss, let me check again what has happened
2021-10-01 12:15:46	baltazar	when I tried "recover deleted files" it just created a bunch of files of zero size named a random string of random unicode characters
2021-10-01 12:15:49	baltazar	NetSysFire: duh
2021-10-01 12:16:56	baltazar	trying photorec now
2021-10-01 12:17:49	NetSysFire	yes but chances are if its truly dead its gone
2021-10-01 12:18:04	NetSysFire	photorec will only help if you have an intact fs
2021-10-01 12:18:05	baltazar	huh
2021-10-01 12:18:14	aminvakil	it's because of changing from any to x86_64
2021-10-01 12:18:17	aminvakil	Namarrgon: https://imgur.com/a/t9wMDM1
2021-10-01 12:18:19	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
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2021-10-01 12:18:31	baltazar	it got a bunch of files, most of the filenames are lost though
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2021-10-01 12:18:58	NetSysFire	you dont even have an intact partition if i got that right, so step one is to verify you at least got the partition table
2021-10-01 12:19:07	baltazar	also, half of them are borked txt-s
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2021-10-01 12:19:48	baltazar	NetSysFire: I just assumed the partition table is intact, since having a single FAT partition spanning the entire disk seems quite plausible
2021-10-01 12:19:52	Namarrgon	aminvakil: that looks like it used to be in the 'any' arch and was moved to 'x86_64'
2021-10-01 12:20:14	aminvakil	Namarrgon: yes, thanks for taking a look into it!
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2021-10-01 12:20:48	aminvakil	ah, great now ansible docker-compose module does not work :) off-topic here though
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2021-10-01 12:21:21	Namarrgon	aminvakil: it was written in python and is now go-lang based
2021-10-01 12:21:54	aminvakil	ah, right, it's looking for compose module
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2021-10-01 19:30:32	micw	Hi
2021-10-01 19:30:47	kuhilas	nepexoga: mentioned it has gparted in it, which would be enough. It's arch based distro too 
2021-10-01 19:31:00	teraflops	🤙
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2021-10-01 19:31:20	phrik	https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2021-10-01 19:31:41	micw	Is maybe one of the xorg-server maintainers available here? I'm heavily testing a small patch that allows to set multiple virtual monitors at one output. This enables proper splitting of ultra-wide monitors on many window managers
2021-10-01 19:32:15	ℹ 	bugger es conocido ahora como demonicmaniac
2021-10-01 19:32:48	teraflops	micw: is that patch applied upstream?
2021-10-01 19:33:11	micw	no, unfortunately not
2021-10-01 19:33:22	micw	otherwise I'd simply upgrade
2021-10-01 19:33:48	micw	the patch is trivial. when adding more than one monitor, xorg-server checks that the "output" is only used once
2021-10-01 19:33:49	DilithiumNO3	kuhilas: you can get the size of a file without downloading anything, with wget --spider or curl --head
2021-10-01 19:33:57	micw	so the other monitors needs to be added as "none" output
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2021-10-01 19:34:22	micw	but everything based on gtk (and probably others) ignores monitors with "none" output
2021-10-01 19:34:52	teraflops	afaik arch sticks to upstream and not usually patch on their own, but I think a mailing list or emailing the maintainer is ok
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2021-10-01 19:37:03	micw	that's why I'm looking for a maintainer, to discuss if/how that's an option
2021-10-01 19:37:18	teraflops	their email is not a secret
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2021-10-01 19:38:45	reportaman	pacman feature request: when the root passed to pacman using -r/--root does not require super user permissions, pacman should not ask for sudo permissions
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2021-10-01 19:42:00	BrainDamage	how would pacman be able to set attributes and permissions without root?
2021-10-01 19:42:11	BrainDamage	and ownership
2021-10-01 19:42:33	teraflops	I wonder why passing root if root is not required
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2021-10-01 19:44:18	reportaman	The rationale/story... I have worked in big tech, and the way all engineers are made to work is by logging into some shared machine that they don't have sudo permissions to. If one wishes to install a tool that they like locally in home directory (given they don't have sudo permissions), all they can do is download the source code and compile it themselves. That means finding and compiling all
2021-10-01 19:44:20	reportaman	dependencies manually, and adjusting the configutation prefix for each compile.
2021-10-01 19:44:24	teraflops	oh root as in location not user :P
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2021-10-01 19:44:40	⚡ 	teraflops blame the siesta
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2021-10-01 19:45:41	BrainDamage	reportaman: proot might be a solution
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2021-10-01 19:48:08	reportaman	BrainDamage: looking into it, any examples with pacman would also be great!
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2021-10-01 20:35:02	ayekat	cfdisk for a less archaic approach - will probably cover 95% of your needs :-)
2021-10-01 20:35:07	horseface	does gcc contain g++
2021-10-01 20:35:10	horseface	?
2021-10-01 20:35:35	horseface	or how may i install multilib g++?
2021-10-01 20:35:35	ayekat	(cfdisk is also part of util-linux, so you likely have it installed anyway)
2021-10-01 20:35:42	mpan	horseface: yes
2021-10-01 20:36:01	horseface	ty!
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2021-10-01 20:36:57	ayekat	!give horseface pacman-file
2021-10-01 20:36:58	phrik	horseface: Find out what package owns a file, even if the package isn't installed. pacman -Fy <file> (similar to !pkgfile)
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2021-10-01 20:37:45	ayekat	(for catching future fishes)
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2021-10-01 20:39:22	horseface	fuck rofl it was in the official repo!
2021-10-01 20:39:26	horseface	O_O
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2021-10-01 20:42:04	jcbjoe2021	can you find out what kernel a live cd has from the command line?
2021-10-01 20:42:15	ayekat	uname
2021-10-01 20:43:06	ayekat	or is this about the kernel version for something on a .iso file?
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2021-10-01 20:44:42	jcbjoe2021	yea im setting up vmware fusion to run archlinux I need to choose what version of kernel it will use
2021-10-01 20:44:50	jcbjoe2021	5x or later?
2021-10-01 20:45:13	ayekat	5x or later sounds reasonable - Linux 5.x has been out for quite a while now
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2021-10-01 20:47:00	ayekat	2.5 years, in fact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel_version_history
2021-10-01 20:47:01	phrik	Title: Linux kernel version history - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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2021-10-01 20:50:11	reportaman	foutrelis: filed https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/72317
2021-10-01 20:50:13	phrik	Title: FS#72317 : Feature: Don't ask super user permissions for install-root that does not require sudo permissions (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2021-10-01 20:50:22	reportaman	h4rd3n3D: filed https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/72317
2021-10-01 20:50:24	phrik	Title: FS#72317 : Feature: Don't ask super user permissions for install-root that does not require sudo permissions (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2021-10-01 20:57:06	jcbjoe2021	im getting a kernel panic when trying to boot up archlinux, using the latest torrent to download arch archlinux-2021.10.01-x86_64.iso
2021-10-01 20:57:18	jcbjoe2021	using wmware fusion
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2021-10-01 21:00:45	horseface	how do i reload a file?
2021-10-01 21:00:47	horseface	source
2021-10-01 21:00:52	horseface	source <file>?
2021-10-01 21:01:05	horseface	i mean without logging out and then back in again..?
2021-10-01 21:01:26	cq-work	So apparently docker-compose 2.0 came out and Arch Linux I guess updated the package. The problem is it's not compatible with previous docker-compose. Is there any way to mark that package to not upgrade? 
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2021-10-01 21:01:50	Namarrgon	cq-work: what is the problem?
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2021-10-01 21:03:50	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2021-10-01 21:02:26	cq-work	It just has differences that wont' work with certain scripts. For example, its default container name changed so scripts that used the old names won't work. 
2021-10-01 21:03:18	cq-work	Also has a difference in how networks are handled that I'm still trying to figure out... 
2021-10-01 21:03:50	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-10-01 21:04:04	Namarrgon	downgrade an plan your migration
2021-10-01 21:05:05	cq-work	Well yeah but I'm unsure how to mark a package to not upgrade automatically. Or maybe I should just install it in usr local or something. 
2021-10-01 21:05:17	Namarrgon	which distro is this?
2021-10-01 21:05:56	Namarrgon	!aw pacman
2021-10-01 21:05:57	phrik	Namarrgon: Pacman - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman
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2021-10-01 21:10:51	cq-work	Found it in the pacman.conf manpage finally I guess. 
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2021-10-01 21:12:59	jcbjoe2021	I can't find a decent torrent to download archlinux, can somebody recommend one? looking all over the mirrors where I live
2021-10-01 21:13:48	thrice	it's listed here:  https://archlinux.org/download/
2021-10-01 21:13:49	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Downloads (at archlinux.org)
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2021-10-01 21:22:18	ℹ 	bin es conocido ahora como bintober
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2021-10-01 21:33:39	gtlsgamr	Hello. Internet works fine on my machine, and it was working fine until an hour ago, where some games just cannot detect the internet. Red dead online on steam and miencraft cannot detect internet. Other than that everything works perfectly. I checked systemd-resolved service, and this is the output for it and looks fine. Do any of you have this happen to you or know how to go about solving
2021-10-01 21:33:39	gtlsgamr	this? 
2021-10-01 21:33:45	gtlsgamr	http://0x0.st/-gTi.png
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2021-10-01 21:58:35	ℹ 	artefact_ es conocido ahora como artefact
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2021-10-01 21:59:12	grazzolini	cq-work: https://github.com/docker/compose/issues/8698
2021-10-01 21:59:22	grazzolini	cq-work: TL:DR use docker compose instead
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2021-10-01 22:01:12	grazzolini	cq-work: or, just upgrade I guess, it looks like Foxboron fixed it =D
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2021-10-01 22:16:20	Namarrgon	gtlsgamr: pacman -Qs steam
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2021-10-02 12:21:42	Mysterytrain	unified? Meaning all ya email accounts are in one view?
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2021-10-02 13:50:31	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2021-10-02 13:28:11	NetSysFire	i mean he shared conspiracy theories yet again
2021-10-02 13:28:27	jelle	NetSysFire: I can read :)
2021-10-02 13:41:45	FireBear	how to make urxvt transparent in gnome wayland?
2021-10-02 13:42:04	ville	howdy. what are the required steps to switch an existing pulseaudio installation to pipewire? anyone happen to have a guide handy?
2021-10-02 13:42:32	NetSysFire	i think you can just replace it, install pipewire, pulseaudio should get removed
2021-10-02 13:42:47	FireBear	isn't enabling pipewire enough?
2021-10-02 13:42:52	NetSysFire	its supposed to be a drop-in replacement
2021-10-02 13:43:11	jelle	oh it's in bash
2021-10-02 13:44:32	ville	yeah i was expecting that sort of, but turns out if you do: pacman -S pipewire pipewire-pulse, then the latter package conflicts with pulseaudio proper
2021-10-02 13:45:09	thrice	that's because it's a drop-in :>
2021-10-02 13:45:27	ville	sure. originally didn't have the -pulse package, and was surprised it didn't conflict
2021-10-02 13:46:06	ville	does it need/provide some kind of gui utility to configure things like volumes, muting, mics? something similar to pavucontrol-qt or so
2021-10-02 13:46:13	thrice	by "drop-in," I think it's more like a bridge.  your apps still use libpulse or so, but the pipewire-pulse routes it to pipewire instead
2021-10-02 13:48:30	ville	or just continue to use pavucontrol?
2021-10-02 13:48:46	another|	pavucontrol still works
2021-10-02 13:49:19	another|	the most I had to configure after the reboot was settting the correct output device once
2021-10-02 13:50:06	ville	any surprised with say discord? i've to use that for meetings occasionally
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2021-10-02 13:50:57	thrice	!tias
2021-10-02 13:50:57	phrik	Try It And See™
2021-10-02 13:50:58	another|	haven't tried discord
2021-10-02 13:51:08	thrice	if you have problems, just pacman -S pulseaudio again
2021-10-02 13:51:12	thrice	try again in a year
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2021-10-02 13:52:48	ville	yeah, right now pulseaudio is in a reasonably working state, but there's no guarantees of that lasting if the past year is anything to go by, so sort of looking to move over at some point
2021-10-02 13:53:38	another|	!tias
2021-10-02 13:53:38	phrik	Try It And See™
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2021-10-02 13:53:58	another|	I had very little problems so far. Mostly it just works™
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2021-10-02 13:58:03	ville	suppose i'll pull the trigger. what could go wrong?
2021-10-02 13:58:20	onemu	which is a good desktop display manager? SDDM seems to have a lot of problems
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2021-10-02 13:58:42	Namarrgon	no DM, no problems
2021-10-02 13:58:52	NetSysFire	there is nodm lol
2021-10-02 13:59:06	NetSysFire	but startx alone still suffices
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2021-10-02 14:00:14	ville	onemu: i don't know about good, but i've used lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter with fairly little hasle
2021-10-02 14:00:30	onemu	so you don't need a dm to lauch a de?
2021-10-02 14:00:44	Namarrgon	no, you don't need a DM to launch a DE
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2021-10-02 14:00:54	FireBear	I added `*.background: [80]#000000` in my .Xresources but my urxvt is still not transparent. I'm using gnome wayland
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2021-10-02 14:01:28	riv	FireBear: > To use true transparency, you need to be using a window manager that supports compositing or a separate compositor.
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2021-10-02 14:01:56	riv	maybe i3 doesn't support it?
2021-10-02 14:02:04	◣	Cihan (uid286286@id-286286.helmsley.irccloud.com) ha salido
2021-10-02 14:02:08	riv	oh wayland sorry got mixed up
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2021-10-02 14:02:21	FireBear	yeah, but I wanna use wayland
2021-10-02 14:02:22	ville	FireBear: picom is a standalone compositor you may look into
2021-10-02 14:02:23	onemu	so even if i have a dm i can just type startx ?
2021-10-02 14:02:36	ville	FireBear: ah wayland. nevermind
2021-10-02 14:02:44	Namarrgon	onemu: you could but then why keep the DM?
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2021-10-02 14:03:09	FireBear	ville: 😢️
2021-10-02 14:03:11	onemu	Namarrgon: i shall remove it :-)
2021-10-02 14:03:14	ville	onemu: if you've a dm you probably enable it at startup? i guess that's sort of the point of dm's to get a nice graphical logon
2021-10-02 14:03:49	FireBear	onemu: no, you have to edit .xinitrc
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2021-10-02 18:48:59	jcbjoe2021	Guys I want to format a flash drive in msdos format and label it. I looked at the wiki at partitioning but it didn’t say anything about it
2021-10-02 18:50:19	lambda	jcbjoe2021: mkfs.fat
2021-10-02 18:52:04	jcbjoe2021	lambda: you sure it’s not vfat?
2021-10-02 18:52:23	jushur	jcbjoe2021: what are you going to use it for?
2021-10-02 18:52:44	jcbjoe2021	To go between windows and Linux
2021-10-02 18:52:49	jcbjoe2021	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/FAT
2021-10-02 18:52:51	phrik	Title: FAT - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-02 18:53:17	jushur	vfat should be fine then
2021-10-02 18:53:33	lambda	jcbjoe2021: the wiki page you linked tells you the answer to your question...
2021-10-02 18:53:40	lambda	> Note: mkfs.vfat and mkfs.msdos are both symlinks to mkfs.fat, they are the same utility.
2021-10-02 18:54:44	jushur	note you want to have a proper partition for it to. so make sure to create that first, or the windows box will/may have issues. or even just create it in windows.
2021-10-02 18:55:53	lambda	does windows really not support partitionless drives?
2021-10-02 18:56:20	jushur	it do somewhat, but there is some issues.
2021-10-02 18:58:04	jushur	generaly its better to just make the drive format in windows. so it gets what it expect. because your distro will be able to use that with no issues.
2021-10-02 19:01:05	lambda	I've never had issues with that, and I don't see how there could be any
2021-10-02 19:01:17	lambda	it's just GPT, there really isn't much you can do wrong
2021-10-02 20:00:14	jonathon	cyphertite: if people don't know how to import a key then i'm not sure they should be using AUR packages, and 2.0.5 doesn't have support for kernel 5.14. ;)
2021-10-02 20:02:51	jirido	when I install lxappearance-gtk3 and lxappearance-obconf-gtk3 I get a segmentation fault. I have tried many times to go back to lxappearance for gtk2 and then back again..
2021-10-02 20:03:27	jirido	I dont find anything in the bug reports
2021-10-02 20:03:51	jirido	It only list gtk3 as dependency
2021-10-02 20:04:07	jcbjoe2021	lambda: I used gparted
2021-10-02 20:38:29	mingdao	jcb
2021-10-02 20:38:41	mingdao	jcbjoe2021: Why not use NTFS?
2021-10-02 20:51:54	cryptodan_mobile	I have a quick question after installing arch on a new machine will I need to create the entries for systemd-boot?
2021-10-02 20:53:52	MacGyver	Yes.
2021-10-02 20:53:54	MacGyver	!next
2021-10-02 20:53:55	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2021-10-02 20:54:43	coruja	cryptodan_mobile: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot#Configuration
2021-10-02 20:54:44	phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-02 20:55:51	chrono	!paste
2021-10-02 20:55:52	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-10-02 20:56:29	cryptodan_mobile	Yes is all I needed to know 
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2021-10-02 21:08:42	cyphertite	jonathon:  thanks and noted
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2021-10-02 21:29:20	nergar	anyone here uses paru?
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2021-10-02 21:29:31	nergar	i'm having some issues seaching
2021-10-02 21:30:34	Raphalex	what kind of issues ?
2021-10-02 21:30:59	nergar	for example if I pacman -Ss ^ls it shows me packages starting with ls
2021-10-02 21:31:32	nergar	but if I paru -Sa ^lf, it looks like it is actually searching for packages with ^lf in the name
2021-10-02 21:32:05	nergar	(paru -Sa lf returns like 700 results)
2021-10-02 21:32:34	Scimmia	Is it supposed to accept regex?
2021-10-02 21:33:14	nergar	it says it extends pacman operations in the manual so I'd expect it to support the same syntax as pacman
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2021-10-02 21:35:45	Raphalex	Indeed it looks like the regex doesn't really work from your example 
2021-10-02 21:36:33	Raphalex	I started using paru only a few days ago so I don't think I can provide a lot of help, but I guess you could use a workaround like using grep for now
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2021-10-02 21:36:56	susi	nergar: what about par -Sa \^ls
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2021-10-02 21:38:36	nergar	still passes ^ as part of the package
2021-10-02 21:39:26	nergar	anyone knows if other aur helpers do this correctly?
2021-10-02 21:39:29	nergar	maybe yay?
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2021-10-02 21:39:59	susi	have you checked there's no sum flag for paru about this
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2021-10-02 21:44:19	zbe	nergar, yay seems to work. ^ls searches either packages or descriptions starting with ls
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2021-10-02 21:44:52	nergar	cool, looks like I'm switching aur helpers
2021-10-02 21:44:56	nergar	thnx zbe
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2021-10-02 21:45:03	Raphalex	even if you switch aur helpers I think it would be nice to leave an issue to the paru devs
2021-10-02 21:45:06	fornix	+1 for yay
2021-10-02 21:47:04	susi	-1 for helpers
2021-10-02 21:48:35	Mysterytrain	they do make searching the aur easier
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2021-10-02 21:51:34	nergar	Raphalex: already on it ;)
2021-10-02 21:51:38	voxelv	I recently updated (last week), and my Minecraft FPS is now trash (3-4 FPS). It wasn't previously this bad (usually 40-50 FPS). This happens no matter which version of Java/Minecraft I'm using (8 / 11 / 16 for their respective versions of Minecraft). Steam's beta Library is also low FPS (3-4)...
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2021-10-02 21:52:28	Mysterytrain	god I'm glad I don't game. seems like people are having nothing but problems lol
2021-10-02 21:52:30	voxelv	(running an AMD FX-8350 and Nvidia GTX 970)
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2021-10-02 21:53:21	voxelv	well I'm happy to not game on this system and just use my laptop instead, but my laptop recently broke.
2021-10-02 21:54:26	voxelv	Seems like a common enough issue if it affects both Minecraft and Steam (I haven't found any other affected applications yet)
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2021-10-02 21:55:52	voxelv	Mainly curious if this is a known issue and there's a quick fix, or if I need to start considering my life choices
2021-10-02 21:55:53	susi	Mysterytrain: on the other hand, how often one needs to search aur for packages?
2021-10-02 21:57:47	coruja	i guess the advantage is that one may search official repos and aur at the same time
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2021-10-02 21:58:46	susi	usually one finds what it needs from the repos, and rarely when not, it's not that big a deal to search aur without helpers
2021-10-02 21:58:49	coruja	(if i understand most aur helpers right, i don't use any except for aurutils)
2021-10-02 21:58:59	susi	but one uses what it seems fit =)
2021-10-02 21:59:28	mongy	coruja: it's against the law to use anything else.
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2021-10-02 22:00:27	susi	I have less than 20 packages from aur installed in the span of 1,5 years, and seems Jul 20 is last time I installed anything from aur
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2021-10-02 22:03:34	nergar	doesn't look like yay can apply regex to aur searches either
2021-10-02 22:03:37	nergar	bummer
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2021-10-02 22:04:30	nergar	it might be becasue there is no database like with official repos
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2021-10-02 22:05:26	nergar	yay ^ls does a much better job than paru but it leaves out all AUR packages
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2021-10-02 22:05:42	voxelv	Hmm... the issue also affects Factorio
2021-10-02 22:05:56	nergar	and yay -a ^ls retrurns no matches 
2021-10-02 22:06:38	susi	it would need to gather the pkg database from aur to implement regex 
2021-10-02 22:06:55	susi	and in that case, it would be same as grepping that database
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2021-10-02 22:07:07	voxelv	Is there a good place to ask/search about performance issues due to a recent update?
2021-10-02 22:08:49	blinux	Is it possible to install package "devil" 1.7.3? I need it to build from source.
2021-10-02 22:08:58	coruja	voxelv: already checked bugtracker and forums for your issue?
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2021-10-02 22:11:09	voxelv	coruja, I'm currently searching the forums, and I'm not sure what exactly is causing the issue. Is there a "general issues" bug tracker?
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2021-10-02 22:12:36	Scimmia	coruja: you really mean 1.7.3? That's absolutely ancient.
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2021-10-02 22:13:04	Scimmia	sorry, blinux ^
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2021-10-02 22:18:39	coruja	voxelv: software (better: packages') bugs are categorized by repository, if you want to report your issue without knowing the culprit, i'd recommend the forums
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2021-10-02 22:23:04	voxelv	yeah, I've read on the forums a bit now, and it seems like such a nebulous issue... This one looks like it might be related: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=269040
2021-10-02 22:23:05	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Fresh steam install, games running extreamly slow! / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2021-10-02 22:23:30	voxelv	though it isn't related to a recent update
2021-10-02 22:23:30	ℹ 	vd178565 es conocido ahora como vd
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2021-10-02 22:25:20	pyroplasma	is systemd-boot truly superior to grub if you only use one operating system?
2021-10-02 22:25:49	Namarrgon	"superior"? in which way?
2021-10-02 22:26:02	pyroplasma	boot times
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2021-10-02 22:26:33	morganamilo	<nergar> "yay ^ls does a much better job..." <- How's it do a better job? 
2021-10-02 22:26:34	Namarrgon	there's no practical difference in boot times
2021-10-02 22:26:48	pyroplasma	oh ok, thanks
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2021-10-02 22:27:37	pyroplasma	didn't want to go through the process of installing and configuring systemd-boot to test if the speed was noticeable just because a few articles claimed it was
2021-10-02 22:28:01	Scimmia	how long does GRUB take now?
2021-10-02 22:28:44	pyroplasma	depends on the hardware
2021-10-02 22:29:05	Scimmia	obviously, but that wasn't the question
2021-10-02 22:29:44	pyroplasma	on my install or the most common boot time?
2021-10-02 22:31:18	voxelv	well this is more time than I wanted to spend on this anyway... I guess I'll just hope for an update to fix my issue...
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2021-10-02 22:33:45	nergar	morganamilo: yay ^ls limits its output to packages with ls at the start of name or description.... as opposed to paru, that it doesn't 
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2021-10-02 22:40:44	morganamilo	nergar: I don't believe yay has than functionality, they should be the same. But I guess I'll have to test when I'm home 
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2021-10-02 22:41:28	nergar	i'm definitively seeing different output from yay and paru here
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2021-10-02 22:43:25	nergar	morganamilo: scratch that, i might have been using different switches
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2021-10-02 22:43:58	ℹ 	artefact_ es conocido ahora como artefact
2021-10-02 22:44:15	morganamilo	Ha, thought they should be the same :p 
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2021-10-02 22:53:28	morganamilo	nergar: btw about your issues. It's hacktober fest if you ever feel like PRS ;) 
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2021-10-02 22:58:58	nergar	as soon I start getting more confortable in my coding skills I will!! this is a community effort
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2021-10-02 23:12:47	morganamilo	I am actually quite interested in mentoring people so no need to worry about programming skills :p 
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2021-10-02 23:17:33	Raphalex	I never submitted any PRs, and I'm very interested in doing so but the problem for me is getting to know the codebase and the way people work. It's hard to make a first PR, I never know how much I should know about the codebase before working on it, especially on big projects
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2021-10-02 23:17:55	Raphalex	Do you have any advice about this ?
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2021-10-02 23:20:28	chrono	Well my first PR was for an icon pack, I just did some icons with inkscape and had some fun
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2021-10-02 23:21:18	Raphalex	I guess starting on small projects with small PRs is a good start indeed x)
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2021-10-02 23:21:54	Raphalex	The thing with making icons is that you're less scared of breaking stuff I guess
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2021-10-02 23:30:33	morganamilo	Raphalex: generally just start small. Trial and error. If you do something not quite right you can be pointed in the right direction 
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2021-10-02 23:31:57	morganamilo	One of my projects currently has a one letter type in the readme heh 
2021-10-02 23:32:06	morganamilo	Prime pr material 
2021-10-02 23:33:09	Raphalex	morganami:I guess so, I'm probably too paranoid about messing up even though I know most people who work on open source projects are very kind ahah 
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2021-10-02 23:33:34	morganamilo	That's why I want to mentor people. Help them through it 
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2021-10-02 23:34:42	Raphalex	Yeah, I know that if I was in the shoes of the guy running the project I'd be more than willing to help new people contribute
2021-10-02 23:34:55	Raphalex	I like to help people with code in general
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2021-10-02 23:38:09	morganamilo	I just want to onboard more people :p 
2021-10-02 23:38:25	morganamilo	So yeah if you have interest in rust or c lemme know :p 
2021-10-02 23:38:38	Raphalex	I do have interests in Rust and C actually
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2021-10-02 23:43:23	Raphalex	morganamilo: I'm gonna start looking a bit more at paru then, I'll look at the code and at the issues a bit if I have time while I'm not too overwhelmed with school projects
2021-10-02 23:44:35	nergar	i'll try to take you up on the offer as well morganamilo
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2021-10-03 00:14:15	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2021-10-03 00:10:03	mingdao	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Stress_testing#Stressing_CPU_and_Memory states: New" versions do not support BIOS. For a new version, use a proprietary MemTest86 version greater or equal to 8. Install it as memtest86-efiAUR or boot the Arch Linux install image.  I booted the Arch install from USB, and did not see any memtest option.  Is that are error on the wiki page, or what?
2021-10-03 00:10:04	phrik	Title: Stress testing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-03 00:10:55	mingdao	On https://archlinux.org/download/ I don't find anything about memtest.
2021-10-03 00:10:56	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Downloads (at archlinux.org)
2021-10-03 00:14:15	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-03 04:17:56	dieggsy	is it just me or is the headphone jack on a T480 just slightly too short for a standard headphone cable lol
2021-10-03 04:18:59	sheep	I haven't had issues with my work T480
2021-10-03 04:19:09	sheep	but I've only used cheap headphones with it
2021-10-03 04:19:42	dieggsy	Like, headphone cables just don't go in all the way
2021-10-03 04:19:51	dieggsy	but audio fully works
2021-10-03 04:20:08	dieggsy	...maybe I just screwed it up in a very subtle way that doesn't affect functionality lmao
2021-10-03 04:40:20	fudanshi	#anime
2021-10-03 04:40:26	fudanshi	bleh
2021-10-03 04:43:01	kevr	dieggsy: if it works flawlessly, then why worry about it? if it works flawlessly, that means the jack is making proper connection with the wire.
2021-10-03 04:45:53	dieggsy	kevr: just paranoia I suppose. it *feels* loose, like i'm merely placing the cable rather than clicking it in. but there is a tiny bit of resistance and I've not noticed audio issues so yeah you're  right
2021-10-03 04:46:37	kevr	the right place to hit up about it would probably be the manufacturer.
2021-10-03 04:46:48	kevr	if you really want clarification
2021-10-03 05:03:24	conr	if i have a dir `/backup`with backup:backup for perms how can i get a service with the user/group rslsync:rslsync to be able to read/write to `/backup`? usermod -a?
2021-10-03 05:05:32	kevr	user the User and Group parameters.
2021-10-03 05:05:34	kevr	use*
2021-10-03 05:06:03	conr	so add the user `rslsync` to the `backup` group right?
2021-10-03 05:06:03	kevr	Under [Service], you can define User=some_user and Group=some_group
2021-10-03 05:06:21	conr	oh gotcha
2021-10-03 05:06:22	kevr	oh, my bad, uhh
2021-10-03 05:06:42	kevr	yeah, /backup needs to be group writable and rslsync needs to be a part of that group.
2021-10-03 05:07:42	kevr	`gpasswd -a rslsync backup`
2021-10-03 05:11:16	conr	kevr: what would `backup` chmod be? 
2021-10-03 05:12:17	kevr	770 for user/group read/writable/executable, and no permissions for others.
2021-10-03 05:12:56	kevr	in a chmod, each digit is an octal which sums up to the collection of permissions. User is the first row [7]70, Group is the second row 7[7]0, and Other is the third row 77[0].
2021-10-03 05:13:55	kevr	4 is read, 2 is write, 1 is executable
2021-10-03 05:14:07	kevr	4 + 2 + 1 = 7
2021-10-03 05:15:49	kevr	4 + 1 = 5, which would be readability and executability. that is why you often see 755, because 5 is a good blanket for non-writable, but readable
2021-10-03 05:16:21	kevr	When it comes to directories, they need the execute bit for some reason. never really looked at why, but it needs it to behave like a directory.
2021-10-03 05:17:45	another|	execute to "enter" a directory
2021-10-03 05:17:58	kevr	hm.
2021-10-03 05:20:13	tirnanog	kevr: it's because the inode data of a directory entry is not accessible unless you have +x rights for said directory. you can only list the names in that case. without that data, it's impossible to take an entry that refers to another directory and know what to do with it.
2021-10-03 05:20:24	kevr	gotcha.
2021-10-03 05:21:48	tirnanog	minor correction, you can only list the names if you have +r on the directory. its entirely distinct.
2021-10-03 05:22:01	tirnanog	so +x can be thought of as a directory traversal bit, in a manner of speaking.
2021-10-03 05:22:21	kevr	!shrug
2021-10-03 05:22:22	phrik	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2021-10-03 05:22:36	tirnanog	yeah. well, anyway, this is worth a bookmark: https://wpollock.com/AUnix1/FilePermissions.htm
2021-10-03 05:22:37	phrik	Title: Unix File and Directory Permissions and Modes (at wpollock.com)
2021-10-03 05:22:41	kevr	+1
2021-10-03 05:50:23	conr	kevr: i tried 770 and 775 on `backup` but that still didn't work
2021-10-03 05:50:49	conr	how can i check the who's in the backup group?
2021-10-03 05:51:01	kevr	conr: `groups <username>`
2021-10-03 05:51:43	kevr	But also, if your user is already logged into a shell somewhere or whatever, you will need to use `newgrp backup`, otherwise you need to restart or reload your shell (simplest way is to reboot) for the group changes to take effect
2021-10-03 05:51:43	conr	`groups rslsync` gives me only `backup`
2021-10-03 05:52:08	conr	ok i'll reboot
2021-10-03 05:53:55	conr	kevr: no dice
2021-10-03 05:55:12	conr	do i have to change the rslsync.server file to user: backup  group: backup?
2021-10-03 05:57:29	cryptodan_mobile	I'm another satisfied user here new laptop is up and fully setup
2021-10-03 05:58:51	kevr	conr: give us output of `ls -al /`
2021-10-03 05:58:53	kevr	!ix
2021-10-03 05:58:55	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2021-10-03 05:59:18	kevr	and tell us what exact thing is failing
2021-10-03 05:59:25	kevr	with every detail possible
2021-10-03 07:02:40	onemu	what is wrong with my sddm? https://pastebin.com/T4m3RwFE
2021-10-03 07:02:40	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-g1W.txt
2021-10-03 07:02:41	phrik	Title: -- Journal begins at Mon 2021-04-05 18:08:44 ACST, ends at Sun 2021-10-03 11:41: - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-10-03 08:39:49	kib	how can I make libreoffice always open up in light mode(adwaita) while the rest of my system follows dark mode(adwaita dark)
2021-10-03 08:49:41	KaMii	is it possible that extra terrestrials created archlinux?  ancient alien theorists believe they did.
2021-10-03 08:53:43	kib	is it possible you're spamming?
2021-10-03 08:54:59	NetSysFire	kib: you need to override some environment variables for this but no idea how you could easily do this without opening it in the terminal every time or manipulating the .desktop file
2021-10-03 08:58:57	KaMii	um, no that was not spam.  its dead in here, calm down 
2021-10-03 08:58:58	kib	NetSysFire: yeah I export GTK_THEME as dark adwaita from my login shell. but then if i open terminal and export GTK_THEME to only Adwaita, stuff that i launch from that terminal window opens in ligh mode but any other program still opens in dark mode.
2021-10-03 09:11:06	switchnode	does the 'Environment' option of a systemd service file itself accept environment variable substitutions?
2021-10-03 09:17:07	switchnode	i ask because: looks like it doesn't. but i'm trying to create a service to run a twisted web app, and twisted can't find the app unless its directory is in PYTHONPATH; what's the correct way to handle this? (googling seems to get me a lot of contradictory suggestions.)
2021-10-03 09:23:53	kyki	I want to connect my android through usb but its just doesn't seem to work, been trying to figure it out for months
2021-10-03 09:24:17	susi	kyki: you need to enable "usb debugging" under developer options
2021-10-03 09:24:38	kyki	so, when I connect the device to the usb port usb option in device popup for a split second and then disappears 
2021-10-03 09:24:47	mpan	kyki: should work out of the box. The phone identifies as a mass storage device. It will require the phone to confirm that you want to give access.
2021-10-03 09:24:47	kyki	susi: all things are enabled
2021-10-03 09:25:02	susi	kyki: all things? even USB debugging?
2021-10-03 09:25:07	melchizedech	kyki: I am using this : https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Media_Transfer_Protocol#Android_File_Transfer 
2021-10-03 09:25:09	phrik	Title: Media Transfer Protocol - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-03 09:25:41	mpan	kyki: which version, if I may ask? Or rather, from which year the phone is?
2021-10-03 09:25:47	kyki	melchizedech: i have set everything as in said in wiki but stills its just not showing any thing
2021-10-03 09:26:02	kib	kyki: try installing nemo,gvfs,gvfs-mtp
2021-10-03 09:26:15	kib	reboot, then plug in and open nemo stuff should just work
2021-10-03 09:26:24	kyki	I think its some problem other problem with usb drivers like lsusb don't show anything
2021-10-03 09:26:35	kib	mtp stuff don't show up in lsusb
2021-10-03 09:26:43	kib	gvfs + gvfs-mtp always works
2021-10-03 09:26:54	kyki	I tried the same port same cable on windows and kali and it works there
2021-10-03 09:27:02	mpan	kyki: any traces of the event in dmesg?
2021-10-03 09:27:28	kib	like i said have you tried using gvfs-mtp?
2021-10-03 09:27:38	kib	iirc kali uses gvfs-mtp in its file manager
2021-10-03 09:27:39	kyki	kib: I have set jmtpfs and gvfs android-udev...
2021-10-03 09:28:06	kib	why not try what I said? the other implementations basically never worked for me.
2021-10-03 09:28:50	kyki	mpan: dmesg shows unable to enumerate usb device
2021-10-03 09:28:59	kib	aft-mtp-mount sometimes works I think but gvfs-mtp + gvfs + nemo/thunar/nautilus/pcmanfm/etc work very reliably
2021-10-03 09:29:44	kyki	kib: the thing is that it doesn't even prompt for usb options in the android 
2021-10-03 09:30:17	kyki	kib: and even if it does after selecting it just disconnects and disappears
2021-10-03 09:30:47	kib	with which implementation of mtp on your pc?
2021-10-03 09:31:00	kib	this has never happened with gvfs fr me
2021-10-03 09:31:49	mpan	Guys, are you sure it uses MTP? Not arguing it is not and you may be right, but in my memory it was mass storage. 
2021-10-03 09:32:23	lambda	android hasn't used mass storage in many, many years
2021-10-03 09:32:32	kyki	mpan: latest devices right now stop implementing mass storage
2021-10-03 09:33:40	kyki	kib: I have jmtpfs+gvfs+gvfs-mtp+gvfs-gphoto2+android_udev
2021-10-03 09:33:50	kib	wha-
2021-10-03 09:34:10	kib	no no get rid of the other stuff, only gvfs+gvfs-mtp+nemo
2021-10-03 09:34:43	kyki	kib: okay, and what about dmesg errors
2021-10-03 09:35:15	mpan	kyki: hmm… ok.
2021-10-03 09:35:21	kib	idk reboot or something kyki ?
2021-10-03 09:35:27	kib	try stuff yourself first and see how it goes
2021-10-03 09:36:30	kyki	kib:this is what dmesg shows https://pastebin.com/EtHkmMDS
2021-10-03 09:36:31	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-gj4.txt
2021-10-03 09:36:31	phrik	Title: [ 588.843539] usb usb1-port1: attempt power cycle[ 589.923131] usb usb1-port - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-10-03 09:37:46	kyki	kib: As I said I have been doing this for months now without any luck its just auto disconnects instantly
2021-10-03 09:39:36	switchnode	okay, i figured it out... sort of. PYTHONPATH is otherwise empty, so i just set it literally to the same path as the working directory. (i also had to use twistd's --nodaemon option to keep the service from exiting immediately.) but now it works
2021-10-03 09:40:13	kyki	mpan: so what do you think about the logs? I changed usb cables too.
2021-10-03 09:41:21	artefact	is it possible to use a custom .xkb file as *default* layout in my xorg.conf?
2021-10-03 09:42:04	artefact	i can use xkbcomp but it doesn't persist if i unplug/plug new devices
2021-10-03 09:42:56	mpan	kyki: no idea. The obvious guess might be an ACPI-related thing, considering the messages about powering up the device. But that’s really just a guess — not even an educated one.
2021-10-03 09:44:36	kyki	mpan: ok I guess will still try to figure it out :), thanks anyways
2021-10-03 09:46:27	mpan	But certainly this is the cause: supporting specific protocols goes later, after that stage.
2021-10-03 10:20:49	ShandoTheKing	Hello
2021-10-03 10:21:45	NetSysFire	!welcome
2021-10-03 10:21:46	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2021-10-03 10:22:00	ShandoTheKing	Nah, I didn't fuck up.
2021-10-03 10:22:08	ShandoTheKing	Just wanted to try out irc
2021-10-03 10:23:43	NetSysFire	didnt fuck up *yet*
2021-10-03 10:24:34	ShandoTheKing	That is true I guess
2021-10-03 10:30:37	ShandoTheKing	Ok I'm gonna go explore other channels now
2021-10-03 10:30:39	ShandoTheKing	bye
2021-10-03 11:28:49	FireBear1	how to allow only specific ip and block all other ip addresses using ufw?
2021-10-03 11:30:30	genericum	how can I do a dhcp request without setting the dns server ?
2021-10-03 11:33:37	kib	FireBear1: man ufw
2021-10-03 11:34:23	FireBear1	kib: I'm just not good at firewall :/
2021-10-03 11:50:42	jushur	FireBear1: looked at the wiki?
2021-10-03 11:52:31	FireBear1	yeah
2021-10-03 12:05:40	bea	ufw allow $ipCIDR
2021-10-03 12:05:43	bea	ufw default deny
2021-10-03 12:05:52	bea	oh wait
2021-10-03 12:06:13	bea	its probably ufw allow from $CIDR
2021-10-03 12:06:36	FireBear1	what's $CIDR, btw?
2021-10-03 12:07:29	bea	its literally the first box on the arch wiki, btw
2021-10-03 12:07:37	bea	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Uncomplicated_Firewall#Basic_configuration
2021-10-03 12:07:38	phrik	Title: Uncomplicated Firewall - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-03 12:08:15	FireBear1	default deny is for incoming deny
2021-10-03 12:08:24	bea	indeed
2021-10-03 12:08:52	bea	anything that doesn't match an allow will get dropped
2021-10-03 12:09:09	bea	as explained by the first line of text before the first box on the wiki
2021-10-03 12:09:14	FireBear1	I also wanna block outgoing, and allow some specific ip
2021-10-03 12:38:53	baltazar	hi! what does one need to do to be able to ssh to an archiso?
2021-10-03 12:39:16	baltazar	I have set a root passwd, but I'm still unable to ssh
2021-10-03 12:40:30	davlucas	Well, ssh to a root account is not recommended. However, you can try to login with another user. Last but not least, please kindly try to deploy ssh keys 
2021-10-03 12:41:44	davlucas	if you really want to connect to rootthrough ssh, have a loo kat sshd config / sshd logs  and ssh -vvv
2021-10-03 12:41:45	baltazar	I mean, this would just be for the duration of the install, and I assume this is intended to be used since PermitRootLogin is already set to yes in sshd_config
2021-10-03 12:43:05	baltazar	and if I recall correctly, setting a root pw is all I had to do before
2021-10-03 12:44:41	davlucas	Well, it depends o what do you mean by "before". 
2021-10-03 12:45:35	baltazar	idk, I've done this a while ago and it worked. not sure how much a while is
2021-10-03 12:46:16	eNV25	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_via_SSH
2021-10-03 12:46:18	phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux via SSH - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-03 12:46:42	eNV25	You can use cloud-init on a headless machine apparently
2021-10-03 12:46:50	davlucas	"
2021-10-03 12:46:51	davlucas	Now check that PermitRootLogin yes is present (and uncommented) in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. This setting allows root login with password authentication on the SSH server.
2021-10-03 12:46:53	davlucas	Finally, start the openssh daemon with sshd.service, which is included by default on the live CD. 
2021-10-03 12:46:54	davlucas	"
2021-10-03 12:47:43	davlucas	After, if you use another client than openssh client, chek used mac etc....
2021-10-03 12:49:38	baltazar	davlucas: done all of that
2021-10-03 12:50:37	davlucas	What says ssh client output if set on debug ? 
2021-10-03 12:52:14	baltazar	nothing useful
2021-10-03 12:52:35	baltazar	the request does go through, on the target machine I can see PAM rejecting the login in the journal
2021-10-03 12:54:38	davlucas	sshd has a good comment on this section /etc/ssh/sshd_config , because it's just install, you might override all security layer 
2021-10-03 12:55:01	davlucas	the setting of "PermitRootLogin without-password". with usePAM=yes
2021-10-03 12:56:42	baltazar	welp
2021-10-03 12:56:47	baltazar	it just worked after a reboot of the host
2021-10-03 12:56:57	baltazar	thanks anyway lol
2021-10-03 12:57:43	davlucas	good luck
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2021-10-03 13:01:23	Mysterytrain	well that was entertaining
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2021-10-03 13:45:38	lpapp_	hi, I fired up my archlinux after many years. How do I launch the browser again? :D
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2021-10-03 13:45:54	lpapp_	i3
2021-10-03 13:46:11	lpapp_	ah, alt+d
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2021-10-03 13:46:48	lpapp_	it is impressive that this old i3 laptop still works with i3 lol
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2021-10-03 13:50:12	NetSysFire	damn they left
2021-10-03 13:50:19	NetSysFire	i was going to ask, i3 as a cpu? or also wm?
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2021-10-03 13:52:39	DilithiumNO3	I'd assume both
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2021-10-03 14:05:10	Hunts	no one is asking about restore points
2021-10-03 14:05:24	Namarrgon	that's not the point. if your approach to problem solving starts with 'force' then it's flawed.
2021-10-03 14:05:56	coruja	there's still thrice's question pending
2021-10-03 14:07:15	klf	b/c -Syu (which I know) actually "breaks" something else.
2021-10-03 14:07:56	Namarrgon	that's called "maintenance"
2021-10-03 14:08:05	coruja	then we should fix that instead of forcing anything else
2021-10-03 14:09:50	klf	coruja, I've (and we've) tried that.  It had something to do with my sound system being muted on EVERY reboot
2021-10-03 14:10:10	klf	This issue was experienced by others (https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=183211&p=2) but it popped up again.
2021-10-03 14:10:11	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Alsa is always muted on reboot / Multimedia and Games / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-10-03 14:10:26	Namarrgon	2014?
2021-10-03 14:10:50	Namarrgon	seven years ago there was a hiccup and you're still afraid to -Syu to this day?
2021-10-03 14:11:17	Namarrgon	have you update your system, as thrice suggested?
2021-10-03 14:11:19	Namarrgon	*updated
2021-10-03 14:11:37	klf	Namarrgon: No! you are taking everything I am saying in a negative way.  That's not what I am sayin.
2021-10-03 14:12:03	klf	Namarrgon: no.  b/c I will experience the mute problem once I make an update.
2021-10-03 14:12:22	perrierjouet	is googleauthenticator enough for secure login or yubikey is worth the 45$ ?
2021-10-03 14:12:37	klf	*We*'ve tried addressing this 3 weeks ago.
2021-10-03 14:12:50	klf	but to no avail.  This is not what I am here for today.
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2021-10-03 14:13:10	klf	This is precisely why I didn't want to answer thrice's question in the beginning.
2021-10-03 14:13:22	klf	not because I am being rude or anything.
2021-10-03 14:13:25	coruja	klf: but base for any support here is an up-to-date system, you should know this
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2021-10-03 14:13:38	fedorafan	hello how to copy all files into the same directory with a new suffix for example
2021-10-03 14:14:12	klf	Namarrgon: and no, my original question was not meant as a permanent solution to a problem.
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2021-10-03 14:14:41	coruja	klf: and compared to a quite minor audio issue, a non-up-to-date system is by far the major issue
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2021-10-03 14:18:29	klf	coruja, my priority is what I need to resolve at THIS moment.  I am not saying keeping a system up-to-date isn't important, but that's not MY priority at this very minute!
2021-10-03 14:19:11	klf	again, I have a restore point which I'll go back to if something breaks and I'll do a full system update when *I'm ready
2021-10-03 14:19:27	another|	klf: check -k and/or --assume-installed
2021-10-03 14:20:18	Hunts	klf: you did not say what command generates this error
2021-10-03 14:20:21	lambda	klf: the way to fix the dependency problem is to update your system
2021-10-03 14:21:56	klf	lambda, it's a bit more complicated, as a AUR package that I need to install requires a specific version of a package.  I don't have time to get into it atm.
2021-10-03 14:22:17	Alina-malina	is it possible to choose runit instead of default systemd install in archlinux? or i have to do more manipulation for achieving this?
2021-10-03 14:22:59	another|	Alina-malina: Possibly, but Arch is deeply integrated with systemd
2021-10-03 14:23:07	NetSysFire	s/arch/upstream/
2021-10-03 14:23:09	another|	you won't have much fun
2021-10-03 14:23:17	Alina-malina	oh bad
2021-10-03 14:23:19	NetSysFire	many software will come with systemd units and not runit stuff
2021-10-03 14:23:29	NetSysFire	any reason why you want to choose runit instead?
2021-10-03 14:24:13	Alina-malina	for learning purposes
2021-10-03 14:24:17	another|	klf: in such cases I usually use `--asume-installed` check pacman(8)
2021-10-03 14:24:37	lambda	klf: are you sure you don't just need to rebuild the AUR package
2021-10-03 14:24:58	klf	another|: thanks.
2021-10-03 14:24:58	NetSysFire	Alina-malina: i think its just better to use void for this purpose if you just want to try out runit
2021-10-03 14:25:01	perrierjouet	Alina-malina: voidlinux uses runit
2021-10-03 14:25:02	Namarrgon	Alina-malina: try void if you want runit
2021-10-03 14:25:06	lambda	if not, you have a problem because two packages require different versions of the same dependency, which is impossible to satisfy
2021-10-03 14:25:18	⚡ 	NetSysFire gives Namarrgon a coffee
2021-10-03 14:25:31	Alina-malina	ok thanks guys
2021-10-03 14:26:38	another|	klf: be aware that this will brick all programs depending on the old version. It's your responsibility to fix it afterwards
2021-10-03 14:27:50	klf	I appreciate all the input/suggestions. You know what, if something really wants to help, try building https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ogre-1.9/ on your system (YES, I know it's a lot to ask.  But that's what's in the way atm)
2021-10-03 14:27:51	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - ogre-1.9 (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-10-03 14:28:27	klf	the maintainer isn't so helpful, and even upstream support is very minimal.
2021-10-03 14:29:12	lambda	klf: where does it fail for you?
2021-10-03 14:29:20	Hunts	klf: no, this sounds more like you are updating boost but not some programs that depend on it
2021-10-03 14:29:45	klf	lambda it looks like an upstream issue (on ogre's end; i.e., not a package issue)
2021-10-03 14:30:30	Namarrgon	why do you need an old version of ogre?
2021-10-03 14:30:37	lambda	klf: sure, but how long do I have to let it build until I can tell you that it works for me? it's building fine so far
2021-10-03 14:30:49	klf	Hunts, have you tried? *sigh*... why don't you try and then tell me "You're wrong!")
2021-10-03 14:30:52	Namarrgon	lambda: https://github.com/acxz/pkgbuilds/issues/151
2021-10-03 14:31:24	lambda	so immediately during make? can't reproduce in a clean chroot then
2021-10-03 14:31:29	Hunts	klf: we only have partial information, I would update boost-libs and ncmpcpp and the error would go away, but you might break other things
2021-10-03 14:31:44	Hunts	klf: what I mean is that you only giving partial information prevents us from giving a direct answer
2021-10-03 14:34:00	klf	Namarrgon: b/c https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gazebo/ needs ogre-1.9
2021-10-03 14:34:01	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - gazebo (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-10-03 14:34:30	klf	and I need gazebo to work on a Robotics lab. I got it installed on my macbook but my macbook is too slow.
2021-10-03 14:35:23	Hunts	klf: ogre does not depend on a specific version of boost, at least the PKGBUILD does not
2021-10-03 14:35:37	Alina-malina	what about artix?
2021-10-03 14:35:49	NetSysFire	artix is horrible
2021-10-03 14:36:00	NetSysFire	it does everything in the most hacky way
2021-10-03 14:36:35	another|	!artix
2021-10-03 14:36:35	phrik	another|: No idea
2021-10-03 14:37:04	klf	lambda: thanks for actually trying it out for me.  did you have success?
2021-10-03 14:39:48	lambda	klf: I aborted it because I need my CPU for other things, but it got to around 17%, so the github issue that Namarrgon linked isn't reproducible
2021-10-03 14:40:35	klf	then nothing conclusive.
2021-10-03 14:40:56	Namarrgon	with a partially updated boost the problem could be anything
2021-10-03 14:40:58	Alina-malina	gonna use that gentoo openrc with zfs root
2021-10-03 14:41:08	klf	I just need to know if someone here is able to build the package.
2021-10-03 14:41:22	Namarrgon	the most likely answer is 'no'
2021-10-03 14:41:36	Namarrgon	does that help you?
2021-10-03 14:42:05	Mysterytrain	lol
2021-10-03 14:42:14	Alina-malina	best fs, best os, best init
2021-10-03 14:42:19	NetSysFire	!as
2021-10-03 14:42:20	phrik	Arch Sucks™
2021-10-03 14:43:05	klf	nope.  Guess, I'll install on Ubuntu as others have success with it.  My priority is to have a usable Gazebo 
2021-10-03 14:44:15	Hunts	I use gazebo on Arch, works fine :)
2021-10-03 14:44:17	Hunts	together with ROS
2021-10-03 14:44:19	lambda	klf: could you tell us what the problem is already? "it doesn't build" is about as useless as it gets
2021-10-03 14:44:24	Hunts	^^^
2021-10-03 14:45:12	klf	ALL the relevant infomration is here. Read it! (if you want to help)
2021-10-03 14:45:14	klf	https://github.com/acxz/pkgbuilds/issues/151
2021-10-03 14:45:23	klf	if you need additional information, ask.
2021-10-03 14:45:43	lambda	I did. I tried to reproduce it. I couldn't. yet you still say that "it's inconclusive"
2021-10-03 14:45:44	Hunts	klf: I already asked you what exact command produced the error that started this whole conversation
2021-10-03 14:46:03	klf	makepkg -sir
2021-10-03 14:46:51	klf	lambda, yes, it remains to be inconslusive.
2021-10-03 14:47:04	klf	The question is: Is anyone able to build the package.
2021-10-03 14:47:28	klf	The answer could be 1) yes, 2) no, 3) I (or my CPU) ain't got time for you
2021-10-03 14:47:37	Hunts	by package you mean ogre-1.9?
2021-10-03 14:47:47	klf	yes.
2021-10-03 14:47:55	lambda	klf: I can build it without hitting the problem you described, so 1).
2021-10-03 14:48:10	mingdao	!give klf poll
2021-10-03 14:48:10	phrik	klf: Compensation for channel surveys is accepted in Dogecoins, Simoleons, and Kongbucks.
2021-10-03 14:49:05	klf	"I aborted it because I need my CPU for other things, but it got to around 17%" ;-/
2021-10-03 14:49:50	lambda	which is further than where your issue manifests, ergo I can't reproduce the issue.
2021-10-03 14:49:52	klf	Hunts, now, I think you might be able to help me with the installation of Gazebo, if you are willing to help.  Now, how did you install Gazebo on Arch?
2021-10-03 14:50:07	Hunts	klf: with an AUR helper
2021-10-03 14:51:13	klf	is it one of the two listed here:  http://gazebosim.org/tutorials?tut=install_other_linux&cat=install ?
2021-10-03 14:51:14	phrik	Title: Gazebo : Tutorial : Debian, Fedora, Arch or Gentoo (at gazebosim.org)
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2021-10-03 14:53:01	another|	most of the things an AUR helper does can be done without it
2021-10-03 14:53:13	klf	another|: agree!
2021-10-03 14:54:46	another|	but it sounds like your system is not up-to-date
2021-10-03 14:55:45	Hunts	klf: no, I use yay, yaourt is kind of dead since long time, that website looks outdated
2021-10-03 14:56:29	arcturus	im using paru, it works ok
2021-10-03 14:56:48	klf	Hunts, and you had no issues building https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ogre-1.9/?
2021-10-03 14:56:49	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - ogre-1.9 (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-10-03 14:57:03	onemu	can someone please take a look at this and tell me what's wrong with my sddm https://pastebin.com/T4m3RwFE
2021-10-03 14:57:04	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-g1W.txt
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2021-10-03 14:57:23	Hunts	klf: no, it is installed and working
2021-10-03 14:58:53	klf	presumably, at one point,  you grab the package via https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ogre-1.9/ at one point.
2021-10-03 14:58:54	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - ogre-1.9 (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-10-03 14:59:04	Hunts	klf: I still do not see the relation between the boost issue and errors during building ogre
2021-10-03 15:00:14	klf	Hunts,I didn't mention boost issue here (https://aur.archlinux.org/ogre-1.9.git) did I?
2021-10-03 15:00:36	Hunts	klf: but that is what started the conversation
2021-10-03 15:00:50	Hunts	being unclear is the worst way to try to get help
2021-10-03 15:01:24	lambda	klf: others can build the package, you can't. others have an up to date system, you don't. you're making this really difficult by refusing to update
2021-10-03 15:01:50	klf	Hunts: you just ain't following.
2021-10-03 15:02:11	klf	lambda: "others can build the package, you can't." and that answers the question.
2021-10-03 15:02:50	klf	(if in fact  someone here tried building the package and have success)
2021-10-03 15:10:46	lambda	klf: either you're purposefully ignoring me or you just need to be a lot more attentive when reading messages
2021-10-03 15:14:26	klf	lambda, no; I can't expect every user response to be equally useful.
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2021-10-03 15:44:09	coruja	onemu: only thing i found yesterday was the breeze theme causing trouble sometimes, have you tried another one for sddm?
2021-10-03 15:44:36	coruja	source: https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/651
2021-10-03 15:45:17	coruja	(yes, quite outdated and another distro, i know)
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2021-10-03 16:22:42	ville	anyone happen to know how to toggle mic and set mic volume with pw-cli? pw-cli s 42 Props '{ mute: false, softMute: false }' i can then observe they get set, but that doesn't seem to be quite enough. there is something else that pactl-set-source-mute 42 toggle does in addition i can't figure out
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2021-10-03 16:43:10	Freneticks	Is there a way to execute "virsh qemu-agent-command" cmd without sudo privilege ? (yes my user is in kvm, libvirt group)
2021-10-03 16:46:32	kevr	/buffer 52
2021-10-03 16:47:25	mongy	Freneticks: try sys group
2021-10-03 16:59:52	klf	For a very long time, I used 'pacman -Fs filename' to search for the package containing a specified file.
2021-10-03 17:00:01	klf	this no longer works.
2021-10-03 17:00:34	jelle	klf: -s no longer exists
2021-10-03 17:00:45	jelle	maybe you mean -x?
2021-10-03 17:01:01	klf	no, I mean '-Fs' (https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/4nj101/how_do_i_find_what_package_a_program_belongs_to/)
2021-10-03 17:01:24	jelle	klf: did you read what I said :)
2021-10-03 17:04:23	cdfk1981	you can use pacman -Qo /path/to/file
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2021-10-03 17:05:20	another|	that is not the same
2021-10-03 17:05:42	klf	cdfk1981: your solution requires the user to have knowledge of the path
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2021-10-03 17:07:15	jelle	klf: did you update your files db :-) -Fy?
2021-10-03 17:07:21	cdfk1981	what about pkgfile?
2021-10-03 17:07:39	jelle	cdfk1981: pkgfile is obsolete, -F mostly replaces it
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2021-10-03 17:07:48	davlucas	pacman -Fx $expr
2021-10-03 17:08:10	jelle	anyway, klf has not given us an example of something which does not work
2021-10-03 17:08:12	demize	klf: Just `-F` does the same as what `-Fs` did.
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2021-10-03 17:08:54	hiya	Can I ask about iptables here? I am trying to forward a port but it isn't working 
2021-10-03 17:08:55	klf	jelle, '-Fx' works
2021-10-03 17:09:10	jelle	klf: what are you searching for
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2021-10-03 17:09:26	jelle	hiya: I would recommend nft or something more modern these days :)
2021-10-03 17:09:33	hiya	https://paste.debian.net/plainh/d3e20b7d
2021-10-03 17:09:47	hiya	this isn't working :(
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2021-10-03 17:10:11	klf	jelle: you suggested solution resolved my problem.
2021-10-03 17:10:25	cdfk1981	this is neat i didnt know about pacman -F
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2021-10-03 17:11:09	ramblebamble	jelle, now that you touch on iptables, and use s.th. modern, I am intrigued, what about Docker and Podman?
2021-10-03 17:11:16	klf	your*
2021-10-03 17:11:21	jelle	ramblebamble: what about it?
2021-10-03 17:11:23	ramblebamble	last time I checked, there were not using it
2021-10-03 17:11:35	ramblebamble	causing all sorts of trouble routing to pods
2021-10-03 17:11:42	ramblebamble	sry containers
2021-10-03 17:11:43	davlucas	$ pamac search -f $filename , but maybe your ile belongs to an aur package 
2021-10-03 17:12:18	jelle	ramblebamble: I thought docker was working on nft support, I know it works with firewalld
2021-10-03 17:12:25	jelle	which iirc uses the nft backend now
2021-10-03 17:12:41	teraflops	it does
2021-10-03 17:12:45	ramblebamble	only the default, I use firewalld as well, but with an iptable backend
2021-10-03 17:13:03	ramblebamble	makes the transition easier once nft is supported in docker and podman
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2021-10-03 17:16:31	ramblebamble	jelle, the issue with nftables and docker is old and hasn't been resolved AFAIK, https://github.com/firewalld/firewalld/issues/534 and I could swear I have found older tickets
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2021-10-03 17:17:10	jelle	I see
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2021-10-03 17:18:10	ramblebamble	I would loooove to switch to nftables, but my toolstack needs to support it as well :( 
2021-10-03 17:19:40	ℹ 	cdfk1981 es conocido ahora como cdfk
2021-10-03 17:19:50	jelle	I can't do much about docker sucking :P
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2021-10-03 17:21:55	ramblebamble	jelle, if it were only docker, I would switch to podman in a heartbeat. It is also Podman. I do not know about containerd(default of k8s these days), but the entire virtual network stack depends on iptables for routing and I fear it is not going anywhere any time soon -.-
2021-10-03 17:22:07	jelle	lol
2021-10-03 17:22:43	mingdao	hiya: Ask in #netfilter
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2021-10-03 17:23:57	mingdao	:-)
2021-10-03 17:26:05	susi	if you don't support Woke agenda, you're a Nazi
2021-10-03 17:26:08	susi	simple as that
2021-10-03 17:27:02	arcturus	uh
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2021-10-03 17:28:53	@jelle	h4rd3n3D_: also, your comments aren't helping
2021-10-03 17:29:17	susi	sorry for being controversial and toxic, won't happen again :(
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2021-10-03 17:35:59	@jelle	h4rd3n3D_: in my personal opinion this is bullshit statement
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2021-10-03 17:43:47	mingdao	hiya: If you missed it, there is #netfilter for iptables/nftables, Linux Network setup in general; and they will help you with your port forwarding issue there.
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2021-10-03 18:16:05	grawity	"route_localnet" wow what did I just alt-tab to
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2021-10-03 18:17:23	susi	alt-tab :O
2021-10-03 18:17:33	aquilles	test
2021-10-03 18:17:49	whynix	zest
2021-10-03 18:17:49	susi	test: 0 [success]
2021-10-03 18:18:39	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-10-03 18:19:04	aquilles	how do u know? I wanted to see what is public about me but i failed. Indeed 0 sucess for now
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2021-10-03 18:22:07	cryptodan_mobile	What all do I need to get hardware acceleration on my Intel graphics card I am using tiger lake
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2021-10-03 20:02:16	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2021-10-03 19:24:51	heythere221	is tehre a way to set the battery charging limit on arch?
2021-10-03 19:26:18	mingdao	heythere221: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management
2021-10-03 19:26:19	phrik	Title: Power management - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-03 19:28:45	mingdao	heythere221: cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_start_threshold ; cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_stop_threshold
2021-10-03 19:29:06	heythere221	Thanks for the link but this doesnt seem to be referring to my question...
2021-10-03 19:30:42	mingdao	heythere221: I think if you read through it, you'll see there are different methods which depend upon what you, specifically, as using.
2021-10-03 19:30:53	Foucault	apparently in newer kernels some laptops also expose /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_control_end_threshold and charge_stop_threshold
2021-10-03 19:30:58	LiveWire	if you want to limit su -c 'echo 90 > /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_stop_threshold'
2021-10-03 19:31:55	mingdao	s/as/are
2021-10-03 19:33:32	susi	sudo tee /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_stop_threshold<<<90
2021-10-03 19:33:47	susi	but not every battery supports that charging threshold
2021-10-03 19:44:11	kevr	such kink, very wow
2021-10-03 19:44:21	thrice	wut
2021-10-03 19:44:30	kevr	!slap thrice 
2021-10-03 19:44:30	phrik	thrice: I shall slap you with my stuffed Tux!
2021-10-03 19:44:32	⚡ 	kevr runs
2021-10-03 19:44:49	⚡ 	ramblebamble hopes to get slapped :D
2021-10-03 19:45:06	kevr	hot
2021-10-03 19:52:42	heythere221	I have nvidia-optimus installed for GPU switching. When Im in hybrid mode and also connect my external monitor to my laptop the output on the monitor is a bit laggy. after switching to external monitor only the lagg is unimaginable. the issue is fixed when switching optimus to nvidia only. Why is it lagging so badly on the external monitor when in hybrid mode? 
2021-10-03 20:02:17	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-03 20:14:26	ℹ 	NoXzema_ es conocido ahora como cq-work
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2021-10-03 20:19:50	node1	Hi
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2021-10-03 20:20:33	susi	kevr: are you fucking with me?
2021-10-03 20:20:52	susi	kevr: tee X<<<y was to show there's such a way too
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2021-10-04 11:07:18	Gagis	no its just in some unintuitive place in the chrome settings. I can't even remember where
2021-10-04 11:08:17	mitch0	it should be in Appearance, but I don't have it :(
2021-10-04 11:09:06	mitch0	ah, it's only there if "ozone" (whatever that is) is enabled
2021-10-04 11:09:20	mitch0	doesn't do crap though :(
2021-10-04 11:11:19	mitch0	bleh, spotify also can't play music today. dammit
2021-10-04 11:13:03	xyproto	mitch0: I know the feeling. Have you checked the settings in the "pavucontrol" program?
2021-10-04 11:19:38	mitch0	xyproto: I didn't have pavucontrol. installed it, didn't change a thing, uninstalled it, started spotify with strace and now it works...
2021-10-04 11:20:03	mitch0	*boggle*
2021-10-04 11:21:33	MacGyver	Did pavucontrol pull in any dependencies?
2021-10-04 11:22:39	mitch0	yes, and they didn't go away after uninstalling it, so it was probably some missing / broken dependency somewhere...
2021-10-04 11:24:03	mitch0	nah, that wasn't it. whatever
2021-10-04 11:24:29	baltazar	just blame it on gamma rays
2021-10-04 11:26:50	Ingar	*earthrays
2021-10-04 11:28:19	MacGyver	Cosmic rays.
2021-10-04 11:28:28	NetSysFire	solar flares
2021-10-04 11:29:01	Ingar	those have all been proven to exist
2021-10-04 11:29:36	MacGyver	[citation needed] for "earth rays".
2021-10-04 11:29:51	MacGyver	Because I've only ever heard those in the quackery-domain of crystal-peddlers.
2021-10-04 11:30:15	NetSysFire	i see you definitely wouldnt like final fantasy
2021-10-04 11:30:27	MacGyver	Final Fantasy doesn't pretend to be reality.
2021-10-04 11:30:29	Ingar	MacGyver: yes, those
2021-10-04 11:30:52	NetSysFire	MacGyver: kupo?
2021-10-04 11:46:15	bjourne	anyone else feels there's something wrong with subpixel anti-aliasing on kde in latest arch?
2021-10-04 11:46:47	NetSysFire	did you check the kde bugtracker?
2021-10-04 11:46:52	bjourne	it looks terrible on my dell 3840x2160 screen
2021-10-04 11:48:06	MacGyver	Of course it looks terrible, it's KDE.
2021-10-04 11:48:24	MacGyver	And with that mandatory joke out of the way, carry on.
2021-10-04 11:48:34	bjourne	NetSysFire: it's like impossible to find something on that site :)
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2021-10-05 09:43:11	ThomasD13	thomas@ArchDT:~/opt/timeshift$ find -name timeshift.appdata.xml
2021-10-05 09:43:11	ThomasD13	./debian/timeshift.appdata.xml
2021-10-05 09:43:13	NetSysFire	but what if the initramfs breaks?
2021-10-05 09:43:30	Jiogen	them I am hoopajooped
2021-10-05 09:43:39	Jiogen	initramfs-linux-fallback
2021-10-05 09:43:42	ThomasD13	The file is there! But why is it not picked up by install command?
2021-10-05 09:45:27	ayekat	ThomasD13: oh, that's some upstream-provided PKGBUILD? (looking at `…/some/path/archlinux` there)
2021-10-05 09:46:37	ThomasD13	ayekat, the PKGBUILD is from the github repository
2021-10-05 09:46:46	jushur	EMIYA: install: cannot stat '../debian/timeshift.appdata.xml': No such file or directory
2021-10-05 09:46:54	jushur	seems to be an major issue.
2021-10-05 09:47:29	ayekat	ThomasD13: can you link the PKGBUILD?
2021-10-05 09:47:52	ayekat	but likely the issue is in the Makefile
2021-10-05 09:48:00	ThomasD13	paste it somewhere? Yes I try. 
2021-10-05 09:48:31	ThomasD13	https://termbin.com/1t2n
2021-10-05 09:49:04	ayekat	no, just link to the PKGBUILD in the GitHub repo
2021-10-05 09:49:11	ThomasD13	ah ok, mom
2021-10-05 09:49:31	ayekat	but oh dear that PKGBUILD...
2021-10-05 09:50:56	ThomasD13	ayekat, https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift/blob/ade651c0c8199a6f99344ecf6fc5061b741494eb/archlinux/PKGBUILD
2021-10-05 09:51:05	ThomasD13	This is the exact version I use
2021-10-05 09:51:09	ThomasD13	last release tag
2021-10-05 09:51:30	hiya	does USB drives not auto-mount or display in Files on Arch?
2021-10-05 09:53:06	ayekat	ThomasD13: but so yeah, the issue must be somewhere within their Makefile
2021-10-05 09:53:13	ayekat	*Makefiles
2021-10-05 09:53:29	jushur	ThomasD13: can you pastebin your local PKGBUILD file?
2021-10-05 09:53:34	ayekat	it tries to install a file that is not in their repo - I'd ask upstream there
2021-10-05 09:53:46	Jiogen	he did:https://termbin.com/1t2n
2021-10-05 09:54:11	ThomasD13	Is there some information on the internet, maybe AUR or whatever, which says what the last functional version of timeshift is?
2021-10-05 09:54:33	jelle	ThomasD13: this is open source, there is none :p
2021-10-05 09:54:36	Jiogen	look:https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/timeshift/
2021-10-05 09:54:38	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - timeshift (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-10-05 09:54:58	ThomasD13	ayekat, the file does exist. But i think the directories whereas the install command is executed is messed up.
2021-10-05 09:55:25	ayekat	ThomasD13: potentially - but the issue is somewhere within their build scripts and/or makefiles
2021-10-05 09:55:45	ayekat	and if they write makefiles and build scripts like they write PKGBUILDs...
2021-10-05 09:56:28	ThomasD13	Jiogen, Thanks for the link, but I cant find there any git hash or version or something which is functional
2021-10-05 09:56:30	jushur	https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=timeshift
2021-10-05 09:56:30	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-10-05 09:57:00	ayekat	but +1 for: check out the AUR - it might be a little less insane
2021-10-05 09:58:26	ThomasD13	Okay, I'm not so confident with installing packages from AUR. Let me google it :)  Thank you so far for your support
2021-10-05 09:58:37	Jiogen	git+https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift.git#commit=ade651c0c8199a6f99344ecf6fc5061b741494eb
2021-10-05 09:58:51	ThomasD13	Jiogen, thats exactly the version I tried which fails
2021-10-05 09:59:09	ayekat	!give ThomasD13 aw AUR
2021-10-05 09:59:10	phrik	ThomasD13: AUR - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR
2021-10-05 09:59:24	Jiogen	thats the one in the AUR - if you download it form there the comments say they have some things fixed
2021-10-05 09:59:25	ayekat	don't pick random links from Google (unless they point to the Arch wiki)
2021-10-05 09:59:28	Jiogen	give it a whack
2021-10-05 09:59:47	Jiogen	AUR > random internet link
2021-10-05 09:59:50	madm1ke	Does anyone have nm-applet workin in sway with swaybar? Using `--indicator` makes it show up, but I can't interact with the applet at all.
2021-10-05 10:00:24	Jiogen	<madm1ke> what info you want?
2021-10-05 10:00:53	madm1ke	Jiogen: enable/disable VPN profiles or WIFI connections mostly
2021-10-05 10:00:54	ayekat	the AUR is still a trash heap, but there's at least *some* chance it's been reviewed
2021-10-05 10:01:41	Jiogen	worst comes to worst he can just rsync to a drive, gives him the backup with less headache
2021-10-05 10:01:47	jushur	ThomasD13: put a small document together about your process to try to install this, from scratch.
2021-10-05 10:02:03	jushur	so we can backtrace it =)
2021-10-05 10:03:21	ThomasD13	Sure, maybe I issue a MR. Well guys, im confident with building stuff - I'm using yocto and openembedded. But this drives me crazy, cause I think it should just work :p
2021-10-05 10:05:17	jelle	ThomasD13: I just build timeshift here
2021-10-05 10:06:14	kyki	mpan:I solved the usb connection problem it was just my powertop and tlp settings which were messing with the usb connection and were doing a power cycle
2021-10-05 10:06:19	Jiogen	I think an important thing that was said a while ago is that the system is 2 months with no updates
2021-10-05 10:06:59	jushur	so UNSUPPORTED xD
2021-10-05 10:07:20	Jiogen	have a look at https://0x0.st/-gyJ.txt
2021-10-05 10:07:23	jelle	ThomasD13: enjoy the unsupported breakage https://pkgbuild.com/~jelle/timeshift-21.09.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
2021-10-05 10:08:06	Jiogen	if you have rsync installed just use that, upgrade then install timeshift
2021-10-05 10:08:14	ThomasD13	lol guys - the PKGBUILD from AUR did work
2021-10-05 10:08:16	jushur	ThomasD13: is there a good reason you dont have updated your system?
2021-10-05 10:08:26	ayekat	whodda thunk
2021-10-05 10:08:33	Jiogen	lmao
2021-10-05 10:08:43	Jiogen	now pacman -Syu not Syyu
2021-10-05 10:09:08	ThomasD13	Okay, I was complete wrong path. Next time I search first in AUR (since now I know how it works)
2021-10-05 10:09:19	jushur	ThomasD13: taking build scripts from sources that is not made explicitly for arch tends to break stuff.
2021-10-05 10:09:19	jelle	ThomasD13: seriously tho, just update :P
2021-10-05 10:09:27	hiya	I reboot my vmlinuz-linux is missing 
2021-10-05 10:09:34	hiya	Cannot boot
2021-10-05 10:09:43	Jiogen	um do you have a archiso?
2021-10-05 10:10:06	hiya	I am trying to regent mkinitcpio -P 
2021-10-05 10:10:12	ThomasD13	jushur, the archlinux directory somehow in their repo looked good for me :P  But hey, "again what learned"
2021-10-05 10:10:26	hiya	And get invalid kernel specified 
2021-10-05 10:10:29	ThomasD13	jelle, Yes I'll do now, after creating my backup :)
2021-10-05 10:10:41	Jiogen	cd /boot
2021-10-05 10:10:42	jelle	ThomasD13: but do you know why you are having a hard time?
2021-10-05 10:10:47	Jiogen	ls then show output
2021-10-05 10:10:51	jushur	ThomasD13: well if you run your system as the developer there does, id asume it would work. BUT this is why we have aur :D
2021-10-05 10:11:10	ThomasD13	jushur, I just did no update last two months, because no time. I'll do after my backup and hope for the best
2021-10-05 10:11:39	ThomasD13	jelle, what you mean? sorry
2021-10-05 10:11:50	jelle	ThomasD13: why you can't properly build and download packages
2021-10-05 10:12:17	Jiogen	he was using the 'archlinux' provided by timeshift and they breakystuff
2021-10-05 10:12:30	jelle	wtf, not the AUR version?
2021-10-05 10:12:34	⚡ 	jelle gives up
2021-10-05 10:12:46	Jiogen	tthe aur version was fime
2021-10-05 10:13:03	Jiogen	the one from their git was breaky
2021-10-05 10:13:04	ThomasD13	jelle, I could not build that specific package from their original repository. I wasnt aware about AUR before.
2021-10-05 10:13:19	⚡ 	jushur downloads random script and unleashes on / , SAVE  ME!
2021-10-05 10:14:02	jushur	ThomasD13: you should read trough the archwiki about aur then.
2021-10-05 10:14:06	ThomasD13	I'm developer. I couldnt find timeshift with pacman, so I just give it a try with the original repo. Of course I looked into the "random" script before I execute it ;)
2021-10-05 10:14:34	ThomasD13	I thought thats the standart way of arch - but thanks guys pointing me in the AUR direction :)
2021-10-05 10:15:17	Jiogen	try btrfs if you are ever in for a reinstall
2021-10-05 10:16:12	ThomasD13	Okay, and after my system update, I hopefully can connect via hexchat again to libera :D  don't like that webchat
2021-10-05 10:16:19	jushur	actually plan your install, test stuff in a VM if you are unshure about how it works. this goes for most "software".
2021-10-05 10:16:22	jelle	ThomasD13: AUR is the biggest benefit of Arch
2021-10-05 10:16:37	Jiogen	<jushur> yes
2021-10-05 10:16:38	gehidore	never
2021-10-05 10:16:40	gehidore	lies
2021-10-05 10:16:45	kevr	ThomasD13: Packaging system files is very useful in all cases. Even if it's not in the repos or in the AUR, you can build a new one yourself very easily, and even contribute that to the AUR if it's useful.
2021-10-05 10:17:05	gehidore	!give jelle yt Molly Shannon you're horrible
2021-10-05 10:17:07	phrik	jelle: Superstar - You're Horrible - YouTube <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeGhkNtr1gg>
2021-10-05 10:17:43	jelle	gehidore: it's a blessing and a curse ;-)
2021-10-05 10:17:52	ThomasD13	Yes, I write recipes for yocto. I think they origin from gentoo. I had gentoo also for 8 years. I think that PKGBUILDS are easier than that. I would be happy to support ArchLinux in some way
2021-10-05 10:17:59	hiya	Jiogen: https://termbin.com/e1g9
2021-10-05 10:18:11	kevr	Hell yeah.
2021-10-05 10:19:04	jushur	ThomasD13: and document everything you do, especially if you run as root/su/sudo.
2021-10-05 10:19:21	ThomasD13	kevr, How can I contribute? Is there any "entrace" guide, with some broken packages which need fixes?
2021-10-05 10:19:36	Jiogen	hiya: show contents of files in /boot/loader/entries/*
2021-10-05 10:19:46	Jiogen	I think you missed a / or something
2021-10-05 10:20:27	hiya	https://termbin.com/0ro1
2021-10-05 10:20:32	kevr	ThomasD13: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_User_Repository Make an account on aur.archlinux.org, set your ssh pubkey in the account, then you can begin to contribute.
2021-10-05 10:20:34	phrik	Title: Arch User Repository - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-05 10:20:48	ThomasD13	kevr, *thumpsup
2021-10-05 10:20:57	kevr	There are also orphaned packages in the AUR at times.
2021-10-05 10:21:01	Jiogen	hiya: can I see inside them?
2021-10-05 10:21:06	Jiogen	or ojust one
2021-10-05 10:21:41	kevr	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0&SeB=nd&K=&outdated=&SB=n&SO=a&PP=50&do_Orphans=Orphans this kind of search will show you all the orphans first.
2021-10-05 10:21:42	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - Packages (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-10-05 10:21:45	hiya	https://termbin.com/ky5pp
2021-10-05 10:22:00	hiya	kg*
2021-10-05 10:22:04	kevr	Users can adopt orphaned packages.
2021-10-05 10:22:13	hiya	https://termbin.com/kg5pp
2021-10-05 10:22:18	kevr	But... still, make sure the thing you want to contribute is actually relevent.
2021-10-05 10:22:18	ThomasD13	*bookmarked
2021-10-05 10:22:32	kevr	relevant*
2021-10-05 10:23:21	Jiogen	hiya: the file looks fine. change the title to DEFAULT edit /boot/loader/loader.conf and append timeout 5 then select the DEFAULT entry
2021-10-05 10:25:44	hiya	Jiogen: but I tried with all the enteries already
2021-10-05 10:25:57	hiya	Changing title would help? 
2021-10-05 10:26:24	Jiogen	no but all the titles are the same I assume and that would make it impossible for you to chose the right one
2021-10-05 10:26:46	hiya	There is one thing 
2021-10-05 10:27:04	hiya	When I do mkinitcpio -P I get invalid kernel specified
2021-10-05 10:27:17	Jiogen	you said when you reboot
2021-10-05 10:27:24	Jiogen	you cant boot in
2021-10-05 10:27:27	ThomasD13	oh yeah baby, 207 packages get updated! Wish me luck!
2021-10-05 10:27:35	Jiogen	Good Luck!
2021-10-05 10:27:49	hiya	Yes true but I cannot do do mkinitcpio -P either
2021-10-05 10:28:00	hiya	So could be something else? 
2021-10-05 10:28:28	Jiogen	you already have initramfs-linux.img in /boot I say get it booting on its own then fix mkinicpio?
2021-10-05 10:28:56	hiya	Ok 
2021-10-05 10:29:07	hiya	https://termbin.com/qf0p
2021-10-05 10:29:09	hiya	See this
2021-10-05 10:29:29	Jiogen	is that the entire output?
2021-10-05 10:30:06	hiya	Nope its missing error parts 
2021-10-05 10:30:18	Jiogen	can I see the whole output?
2021-10-05 10:31:47	ThomasD13	lets go to the yolo reboot!
2021-10-05 10:32:05	hiya	https://tmpfiles.org/dl/129146/pxl_20211005_0830385622.jpg
2021-10-05 10:32:18	hiya	Jiogen: whole 
2021-10-05 10:32:34	Jiogen	thanks, waiting for it to load
2021-10-05 10:32:55	kevr	!grab ThomasD13
2021-10-05 10:32:55	phrik	kevr: Tada!
2021-10-05 10:33:18	Jiogen	hiya: file /boot/vmlinuz-linux
2021-10-05 10:33:40	hiya	Where? 
2021-10-05 10:33:51	hiya	Loader entries? 
2021-10-05 10:33:51	Jiogen	run the command "file /boot/vmlinuz-linux"
2021-10-05 10:34:00	Jiogen	and send output
2021-10-05 10:34:37	Jiogen	I think it would be solved by pacman -R linux then pacman -S linux
2021-10-05 10:34:46	Jiogen	maybe
2021-10-05 10:34:58	hiya	https://termbin.com/4b0v
2021-10-05 10:36:08	Jiogen	touch /boot/f
2021-10-05 10:36:13	Jiogen	what does that do
2021-10-05 10:36:18	Jiogen	same io error?
2021-10-05 10:36:33	hiya	No error makes f file
2021-10-05 10:36:54	kevr	Jiogen: give us `lsblk` output please
2021-10-05 10:36:57	hiya	Do you want me to write something in f file? 
2021-10-05 10:37:32	Jiogen	good point kevr - hiya can you do that
2021-10-05 10:38:00	hiya	https://termbin.com/xapq
2021-10-05 10:38:29	Jiogen	since you can write and read from the mount point i just think that the file vmlinuz-linux is brokey can you rm /boot/vmlinuz-linux 
2021-10-05 10:38:36	kevr	oh my bad
2021-10-05 10:38:36	Jiogen	then pacman -R linux
2021-10-05 10:38:41	Jiogen	and pacman -S linux
2021-10-05 10:39:38	hiya	Ok done
2021-10-05 10:39:49	hiya	Now? 
2021-10-05 10:39:50	Jiogen	try mkinitcpio -P now
2021-10-05 10:40:08	hiya	Successful
2021-10-05 10:40:11	Jiogen	perfect
2021-10-05 10:40:23	hiya	But how did it break? 
2021-10-05 10:40:33	Jiogen	now remove the excess entries in /boot/loader/entries/ just leaving one 
2021-10-05 10:40:40	Jiogen	then you should be good for a reboot
2021-10-05 10:42:57	hiya	https://tmpfiles.org/dl/129156/pxl_20211005_0842013962.jpg
2021-10-05 10:43:05	hiya	I get this
2021-10-05 10:43:13	Jiogen	loading...
2021-10-05 10:43:17	hiya	Again. I will remove all the entries 
2021-10-05 10:43:50	Jiogen	hmm
2021-10-05 10:44:02	hiya	Booting archiso 
2021-10-05 10:44:06	Jiogen	cool
2021-10-05 10:44:42	Jiogen	when oyu do and have everything mounted can you run "file /boot/vmlinuz/linux" just to see if it somehow got feked again
2021-10-05 10:46:54	hiya	Omg 
2021-10-05 10:46:59	Jiogen	?
2021-10-05 10:47:03	hiya	Input/output error 
2021-10-05 10:47:12	hiya	It's kaput again 
2021-10-05 10:47:12	Jiogen	dfkldsjalw3er4342
2021-10-05 10:47:21	Jiogen	time to kill that partition
2021-10-05 10:47:27	Jiogen	umount /boot
2021-10-05 10:47:31	hiya	Ok 
2021-10-05 10:47:54	Namarrgon	you're not simply out of disk-space?
2021-10-05 10:47:54	Jiogen	then dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/nvme0n1p1 status=progress
2021-10-05 10:48:09	Jiogen	otherwise fat will pick up the files again
2021-10-05 10:48:26	Jiogen	no, the file worked then after a reboot is feked
2021-10-05 10:48:44	hiya	I selected p2 
2021-10-05 10:48:50	hiya	Omg it's all bad now 
2021-10-05 10:48:53	Jiogen	oh
2021-10-05 10:48:54	Jiogen	uh
2021-10-05 10:48:56	Jiogen	that
2021-10-05 10:48:58	Jiogen	is not good
2021-10-05 10:48:58	hiya	Jk jk 
2021-10-05 10:49:03	hiya	Done now?
2021-10-05 10:49:04	Jiogen	hehe
2021-10-05 10:49:13	Jiogen	not mkfs.vfat /dev/nvme0n1p1
2021-10-05 10:49:17	Jiogen	them mount it to /boot
2021-10-05 10:49:23	jushur	you have no bios partition?
2021-10-05 10:49:29	Jiogen	they do
2021-10-05 10:49:33	Jiogen	https://termbin.com/xapq
2021-10-05 10:49:34	jushur	it is a EFI system?
2021-10-05 10:49:46	hiya	Uefi only bios 
2021-10-05 10:50:05	Jiogen	do you mean you boot UEFI or BIOS?
2021-10-05 10:50:47	hiya	Uefi only system no legacy 
2021-10-05 10:50:51	Jiogen	good
2021-10-05 10:50:57	hiya	So it's done 
2021-10-05 10:51:04	Jiogen	pacman -R linux
2021-10-05 10:51:06	Jiogen	pacman -S linux
2021-10-05 10:51:10	Jiogen	bootctl install
2021-10-05 10:51:19	Jiogen	ls /boot
2021-10-05 10:51:28	jushur	im saying again he has no bios partatition
2021-10-05 10:51:45	Jiogen	this is a UEFI system
2021-10-05 10:51:45	hiya	When I do -R and -S I get Gdbus error 
2021-10-05 10:51:52	jushur	mind the spelling :)
2021-10-05 10:52:04	Jiogen	are you in chroot?
2021-10-05 10:52:12	hiya	Follow by another error saying command failed to execute correctly 
2021-10-05 10:52:23	hiya	Arch-chroot /mnt 
2021-10-05 10:52:25	hiya	I did 
2021-10-05 10:52:56	jelle	did you mount your efi partition? :p
2021-10-05 10:53:18	hiya	Only boot and luks
2021-10-05 10:53:46	Jiogen	can I see fdisk -l?
2021-10-05 10:54:02	hiya	But I didn't do it last time either when fixing with -P for vmd module 
2021-10-05 10:54:42	jushur	the nvme drive has only /boot and CRYPT partition.. he has no bios partition.
2021-10-05 10:55:02	Namarrgon	they don't need a bios-boot partition
2021-10-05 10:55:20	jushur	ok, if you say so
2021-10-05 10:55:54	Jiogen	I am confused about the dbus error on pacman -S or -R
2021-10-05 10:55:59	Jiogen	anyone ideas?
2021-10-05 10:55:59	Namarrgon	jushur: the ef02 partition is only for legacy+grub+gpt
2021-10-05 10:56:11	jelle	Jiogen: I bet he has packagekit installed
2021-10-05 10:56:23	Jiogen	hiya: do you?
2021-10-05 10:56:30	jelle	the dbus error should shown what it is about
2021-10-05 10:57:15	hiya	HTTPS://termbin.com/1t48u
2021-10-05 10:57:57	hiya	Yes I have packagekit install I think. Is it for gnome software? 
2021-10-05 10:58:05	Jiogen	pacman -R linux --no-confirm > f; cat f | nc termbin.com 9999
2021-10-05 10:58:17	Jiogen	then first remove packagekit
2021-10-05 10:58:21	Jiogen	ignore last message
2021-10-05 10:58:29	Jiogen	then remove linux and reinstal lti
2021-10-05 10:58:42	Namarrgon	the packagkit stuff is just a redherring
2021-10-05 10:58:54	Namarrgon	also
2021-10-05 10:58:57	hiya	What should I do now? 
2021-10-05 10:58:58	Namarrgon	!pastepacman
2021-10-05 10:58:59	phrik	LC_ALL=C pacman --debug <your pacman options> |& tee >(curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io)
2021-10-05 10:59:29	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-10-05 11:00:15	Jiogen	can you remove packagekit see if that fixes your linux removal issue
2021-10-05 11:01:03	hiya	So I did -R -S and bootctl install 
2021-10-05 11:01:14	hiya	No entries in boot loader
2021-10-05 11:01:29	Jiogen	that is expected. lets create one.
2021-10-05 11:01:43	hiya	How? 
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2021-10-05 11:02:22	Jiogen	from this... create vim/nano /boot/loader/entries/default.conf and put https://termbin.com/b93r in it
2021-10-05 11:02:46	Jiogen	this is the file you sent me earilier
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2021-10-05 11:03:32	Jiogen	curl https://termbin.com/b93r > /boot/loader/entries/default.conf
2021-10-05 11:03:39	Jiogen	make it easier on yourself
2021-10-05 11:03:46	◣	Nspace (~Nspace@user/nspace) ha salido (Quit: Nspace)
2021-10-05 11:04:15	hiya	I I did wget it and mv to default.conf 
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2021-10-05 11:04:22	Jiogen	perfect
2021-10-05 11:04:28	hiya	So now regen using -P? 
2021-10-05 11:04:32	Jiogen	yes
2021-10-05 11:04:55	hiya	Now reboot? 
2021-10-05 11:04:58	Jiogen	yep
2021-10-05 11:05:05	Jiogen	and cross all your appendiges
2021-10-05 11:05:16	hiya	File command works for no give me kernel version
2021-10-05 11:05:19	hiya	Let us see
2021-10-05 11:05:44	Jiogen	I hope it work
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2021-10-05 11:06:41	◣	zanuno (~zanuno@2.76.190.83) ha salido (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2021-10-05 11:07:30	hiya	What man I sent you this
2021-10-05 11:07:32	hiya	https://termbin.com/kg5pp
2021-10-05 11:07:36	hiya	Not what you shared
2021-10-05 11:07:44	hiya	The one you shared has amd ucode
2021-10-05 11:07:52	Jiogen	that was mine
2021-10-05 11:07:55	Jiogen	sorry
2021-10-05 11:07:58	hiya	Now chroot again 
2021-10-05 11:08:05	hiya	Heh
2021-10-05 11:08:06	Jiogen	sorry I am a dumb
2021-10-05 11:08:29	◣	revoltingPeasant (~joe@46.7.172.98) ha salido (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2021-10-05 11:08:41	hiya	No no but added work 
2021-10-05 11:08:51	hiya	Let's see if Linux survive
2021-10-05 11:08:51	hiya	Hehe
2021-10-05 11:08:54	Jiogen	hehe
2021-10-05 11:09:03	Jiogen	time to cross all limbs
2021-10-05 11:11:45	Jiogen	is it complaining that it can not find the part to mount to /boot?
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2021-10-05 11:13:28	hiya	Doing it now 
2021-10-05 11:14:43	hiya	File command works 
2021-10-05 11:14:51	hiya	So it's good
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2021-10-05 11:55:43	hiya	Vmd + nvme? 
2021-10-05 11:56:01	hiya	But detection works. Now vmlinuz-linux is missing 
2021-10-05 11:56:04	hiya	But it's there 
2021-10-05 11:56:09	hiya	Booting again 
2021-10-05 11:56:38	Jiogen	did it get killed again?
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2021-10-05 11:56:49	◣	EvilDMP (~textual@django/moderator/EvilDMP) ha salido (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
2021-10-05 11:56:59	hiya	Booting archiso 
2021-10-05 11:57:04	hiya	For last time 
2021-10-05 11:57:20	hiya	If nothing back to stable. :) It's work machine I cannot be doing this
2021-10-05 11:57:30	hiya	3h before work everytime
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2021-10-05 12:00:19	hiya	Jiogen file is intact.
2021-10-05 12:00:19	jushur	in /etc/mkinitcpio.conf under HOOKS 'block' is before 'autodetect' ?
2021-10-05 12:00:19	J9gen	great
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2021-10-05 12:00:19	Jiogen	after
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2021-10-05 12:00:19	hiya	Yes base udef autodetect among others
2021-10-05 12:00:19	◣	J9gen (~Jiogen@131.203.183.244) ha abandonado #archlinux
2021-10-05 12:00:21	jushur	it needs to be before when using encryption
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2021-10-05 12:00:33	Jiogen	from mine base udev autodetect modconf block encrypt filesystems keyboard fsck
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2021-10-05 12:00:50	hiya	block encrypt filesystem
2021-10-05 12:00:56	hiya	And it has worked for days guya
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2021-10-06 03:17:38	DilithiumNO3	the initramfs is using it
2021-10-06 03:17:46	DilithiumNO3	what I'm really using is /home
2021-10-06 03:18:45	obby	sorry wait
2021-10-06 03:18:52	obby	just to confirm
2021-10-06 03:19:02	obby	how are u booting right now if ur bot manager doesnt work
2021-10-06 03:19:03	obby	welp
2021-10-06 03:19:14	obby	hope he figures it out
2021-10-06 03:19:38	ahappydeath	he didn't like that question i guess
2021-10-06 03:19:49	obby	he left before 
2021-10-06 03:19:59	obby	but lool
2021-10-06 03:20:32	obby	i was just going to suggest that since his rEFInd is having problems that maybe the config wasnt generated properly and its just not even booting the correct kernel / ramdisk whatever
2021-10-06 03:20:39	obby	and to try grub to see if it fixes it
2021-10-06 03:21:07	demonicmaniac	he mentioned zfs casually
2021-10-06 03:21:16	ahappydeath	yeah, i've never had any luck with rEFInd
2021-10-06 03:21:18	arcturus	meanwhile im thinking of switching to refind
2021-10-06 03:21:24	demonicmaniac	iso does not offer zfs
2021-10-06 03:21:29	obby	i wanted to ask why he was using zfs and not ext4 
2021-10-06 03:21:37	Jiogen	or BTRFS
2021-10-06 03:21:38	obby	but idk i thought it seemed rude or ignorant
2021-10-06 03:21:52	demonicmaniac	zfs isnt mainline
2021-10-06 03:22:04	obby	man really really wanted ZFS
2021-10-06 03:22:06	demonicmaniac	its valid to ask why / on not intree
2021-10-06 03:23:14	obby	fuckin people
2021-10-06 03:23:27	Mysterytrain	the arch iso does have btrfs
2021-10-06 03:24:04	demonicmaniac	Mysterytrain: he meant btrfs as in follwup to 03:21 < obby> i wanted to ask why he was using zfs and not ext4 
2021-10-06 03:24:17	Mysterytrain	oh
2021-10-06 03:24:24	demonicmaniac	^^
2021-10-06 03:24:28	obby	Jiogen: ur cute
2021-10-06 03:24:37	Jiogen	Kisses
2021-10-06 03:25:22	obby	is there any file system which offers features worth mentioning or switching over to
2021-10-06 03:25:28	obby	like relative to ext4
2021-10-06 03:25:36	Jiogen	BTRFS
2021-10-06 03:25:44	Jiogen	it makes everything easy
2021-10-06 03:25:55	Jiogen	no need for LVM,timeshift or any other garbagio
2021-10-06 03:26:06	demonicmaniac	transparent compression and subvolumes are very nice
2021-10-06 03:26:14	Jiogen	very
2021-10-06 03:26:21	obby	interesting
2021-10-06 03:26:28	obby	do i lose anything coming over from ext4
2021-10-06 03:26:48	Jiogen	you would need to copy everything from your existing install
2021-10-06 03:26:54	obby	no not data like
2021-10-06 03:26:57	Jiogen	using rsync or something to make incremental 
2021-10-06 03:26:59	obby	file system feature wise
2021-10-06 03:27:00	obby	but ye
2021-10-06 03:27:07	Jiogen	you dont lose anytthing
2021-10-06 03:27:11	demonicmaniac	cow filesystems have some overhead in terms of performance for some woekloads
2021-10-06 03:27:21	demonicmaniac	featurewise "not anymore"
2021-10-06 03:27:32	obby	i dont think it matters but does LUKS work with btrfs
2021-10-06 03:27:33	Mysterytrain	yap for example like database storage
2021-10-06 03:27:38	demonicmaniac	since swapfiles work on btrfs for like a year now? two?
2021-10-06 03:27:40	Jiogen	that is minimal but if you are running a DB disable COW
2021-10-06 03:27:46	Jiogen	and yes works with LUKUS
2021-10-06 03:28:03	arcturus	im running btrfs on luks
2021-10-06 03:28:06	Jiogen	I have 3 systems on arch running with LUKUS and BTRFS
2021-10-06 03:28:06	obby	i might switch over kinda soon
2021-10-06 03:28:11	arcturus	works well
2021-10-06 03:28:14	obby	solid
2021-10-06 03:28:52	nova	jonathon, etc: I use woe (or should I say, "I hit that woe") and it worked. Then I spent an hour installing the many updates and even updating my BIOS. Say ... can arch handle bios updates? Or is that .. somehow (wierdly) tied to windows updates?
2021-10-06 03:29:24	demonicmaniac	nova: fwupd
2021-10-06 03:29:53	demonicmaniac	but that depends on the hw manufacturer uploading them
2021-10-06 03:30:10	nova	oh. sounds like a German curse word. maybe an apropos name. I have asus + nvidia + ryzen cpu
2021-10-06 03:30:13	Jiogen	most should supply the binarys directly
2021-10-06 03:30:20	demonicmaniac	unless it's a business laptop/desktop the chances are extremely slim
2021-10-06 03:30:37	Jiogen	if you build it yourself then good chance
2021-10-06 03:30:43	obby	aaaaaa
2021-10-06 03:30:56	obby	do u guys run kernel mods
2021-10-06 03:31:01	Jiogen	no
2021-10-06 03:31:10	demonicmaniac	!wiki fwupd
2021-10-06 03:31:10	phrik	demonicmaniac: Is that a question?
2021-10-06 03:31:14	demonicmaniac	er
2021-10-06 03:31:21	demonicmaniac	!aw fwupd
2021-10-06 03:31:21	phrik	demonicmaniac: Fwupd - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fwupd
2021-10-06 03:31:28	nova	it's all good I can find it
2021-10-06 03:32:06	Jiogen	nova: go here https://www.asus.com/support/download-center
2021-10-06 03:32:07	phrik	Title: Download Center | Official Support | ASUS Global (at www.asus.com)
2021-10-06 03:32:13	nova	duckduckgo bangs ftw. or bot spam and eggs. Woah my time is so off, and I am running ntpd. 
2021-10-06 03:32:18	Jiogen	ASUS provide blobs os the bios
2021-10-06 03:32:30	obby	systemd-syncd
2021-10-06 03:32:31	nova	(thought I was .. guess I am not anymore)
2021-10-06 03:32:33	obby	works good
2021-10-06 03:33:24	demonicmaniac	dont they even have a uefi update option from within the shell directly? or did thhey scrap that again
2021-10-06 03:34:12	demonicmaniac	i remember asus and gigabyte offering downloads from fixed ips in the uefi of unsigned uefi binaries… so smart
2021-10-06 03:35:24	obby	my gf is in europe for another week
2021-10-06 03:35:26	Jiogen	I dont have that in my gigabyte uefi. I usualy pop the bin on my boot partition
2021-10-06 03:35:27	obby	i miss her
2021-10-06 03:35:52	jcbjoe2021	I bet you do obby
2021-10-06 03:36:47	obby	obby more like o bby
2021-10-06 03:37:41	nova	huhmmm. running hwclock --utc --systohc .. a *few* times fixed the clock .. welp. problem solved
2021-10-06 03:37:50	obby	lol
2021-10-06 03:37:56	obby	weird that wasnt already set
2021-10-06 03:38:07	obby	i stand by my systemd-syncd tho
2021-10-06 03:38:26	obby	time was giving me hella issues till i enabled it
2021-10-06 03:38:30	nova	I just updated bios from "windows weird reboot update install thingy" and it reset secure boot to on and stuff, so I suspect that
2021-10-06 03:39:12	Jiogen	the solution is dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/windowspartition
2021-10-06 03:39:26	Jiogen	no windows no problem
2021-10-06 03:39:44	obby	true
2021-10-06 03:40:05	jcbjoe2021	obby: you from cali?
2021-10-06 03:40:09	obby	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/systemd-timesyncd
2021-10-06 03:40:10	phrik	Title: systemd-timesyncd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-06 03:40:21	obby	jcbjoe2021: nah im in vancouver bc canada basically
2021-10-06 03:40:28	obby	why whats up are you
2021-10-06 03:40:31	jcbjoe2021	Oh ok
2021-10-06 03:40:39	jcbjoe2021	California
2021-10-06 03:40:40	demonicmaniac	ntpd wont sync the clock immediately if the offset is too great fwiw
2021-10-06 03:41:04	demonicmaniac	to not mess up programs/filesystem stamps
2021-10-06 03:42:05	obby	i want som,e food
2021-10-06 03:42:40	obby	who wants to give me a kiss
2021-10-06 03:42:53	phantomotap	o_O
2021-10-06 03:42:57	mefistofeles	!give obby kiss
2021-10-06 03:42:58	phrik	obby: kiss <an alias on #archlinux, 1 argument>
2021-10-06 03:43:07	mefistofeles	!give obby kiss obby
2021-10-06 03:43:07	phrik	obby: action <text> gives obby a big smooch!
2021-10-06 03:43:16	mefistofeles	!give obby kiss obby obby
2021-10-06 03:43:17	phrik	obby: action <text> gives obby obby a big smooch!
2021-10-06 03:43:19	⚡ 	obby blushs
2021-10-06 03:43:24	mefistofeles	ok, sorry for that
2021-10-06 03:43:24	mefistofeles	xD
2021-10-06 03:44:26	Jiogen	was there tounge?
2021-10-06 03:44:38	mefistofeles	there's always tongue
2021-10-06 03:44:52	Mysterytrain	lizardtongue
2021-10-06 03:45:37	jcbjoe2021	Wtf lol
2021-10-06 03:45:54	Jiogen	welcome to Archluinyx
2021-10-06 03:46:18	Mysterytrain	heh
2021-10-06 03:46:31	phantomotap	vile lizard tongue?
2021-10-06 03:46:33	phantomotap	(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V38wavbbeNc)
2021-10-06 03:47:08	Jiogen	lol
2021-10-06 03:47:10	Mysterytrain	flickerflicker
2021-10-06 04:03:27	nova	t'was a successful day. first: resize2fs/fdisk/fsck.ext4, then: much trouble installing widNoS, finally: os-prober and grub-mkconfig. Went better than I expected despite the lengthy time investment cuz widNoS sUx ™
2021-10-06 04:06:22	Mysterytrain	at least ya wasn't bored
2021-10-06 04:09:55	nova	contrariwise, I had to write a bunch of proofs for homework I didn't finish, take exam, go to a bunch of meetings, and try my best (and fail) to dual boot windows in reasonable amount of time for work ... and meet for group project and do two more homework assignments.
2021-10-06 04:17:25	phantomotap	that seems like a lot of homework.
2021-10-06 04:19:07	nova	that is an accurate assessment
2021-10-06 04:28:19	jcbjoe2021	Wow nova busy day
2021-10-06 05:04:42	AlphaPrime	Hi. I have 9 hdds connected to my system by sdx (7) and nvme (2). When I connect a drive by usb, it doesn't seem to register, but mounts fine on my laptop. Is it possible the lanes are saturated? 
2021-10-06 05:05:17	kevr	jesus, that's a lot of storage
2021-10-06 05:06:30	jushur	AlphaPrime: if you do dmesg in terminal, you se the drive connect?
2021-10-06 05:06:52	jushur	lsblk -f before you connect it also, and again after
2021-10-06 05:07:01	AlphaPrime	I've heard some people have like 30 hdds. But yeah it's about 72 TB or so. I don't see the drive with lsblk, but I see the device with lsusb.
2021-10-06 05:07:37	jushur	sounds like a usb driver issue, possibly udev rules blocking or loading the wrong one.
2021-10-06 05:09:46	AlphaPrime	http://ix.io/3AY6
2021-10-06 05:10:53	AlphaPrime	Before and after. The lsusb: http://ix.io/3AY6 The seagate thing is a 5TB drive connected with usb 3.0. It works both under Windows and Ubuntu on my laptop.
2021-10-06 05:12:38	jushur	the links are the same?
2021-10-06 05:13:19	AlphaPrime	Oups: http://ix.io/3AY7 . My copy paste fung shui is off.
2021-10-06 05:16:50	Namarrgon	AlphaPrime: uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2021-10-06 05:17:13	AlphaPrime	5.14.8-arch1-1
2021-10-06 05:17:13	AlphaPrime	linux 5.14.9.arch2-1
2021-10-06 05:17:27	jushur	AlphaPrime: also double check what you pasted, so we get what is expected
2021-10-06 05:17:28	Namarrgon	reboot into the new kernel and try again
2021-10-06 05:17:56	jushur	ohh, that is key. :D
2021-10-06 05:18:20	AlphaPrime	I can't right now Namarrgon, because I need to wait +/- 72 hours for something to finish. But this has been a problem for a while.
2021-10-06 05:18:40	AlphaPrime	You think it's related from update != current kernel?
2021-10-06 05:18:40	Namarrgon	then downgrade to the 'uname -r' kernel
2021-10-06 05:19:05	Namarrgon	when you update the kernel the old modules get removed, so you can't load new modules until you reboot
2021-10-06 05:19:30	AlphaPrime	AHHH!!! That makes sense. Thank you Namarrgon.
2021-10-06 05:20:27	AlphaPrime	I'll wait 3 days, try again, then come back to complain ;). But seriously thank you.
2021-10-06 05:20:54	Namarrgon	downgrade the kernel package, replug the devices
2021-10-06 05:25:23	AlphaPrime	Ok. I don't know how. I tried "sudo pacman -U linux-5.14.8-arch1-1"
2021-10-06 05:26:14	Namarrgon	find it in the package cache
2021-10-06 05:26:18	Namarrgon	then -U it from there
2021-10-06 05:28:57	jushur	just transfeer the files over network if you realy need access to them in this 72h window.
2021-10-06 05:30:43	AlphaPrime	Yeah, I'll do that. I can't figure out how to search cache. -Ss and -Qii don't work. Every link talk about clearing cache not searching it.
2021-10-06 05:31:53	coruja	/var/cache/pacman/pkg/
2021-10-06 05:40:28	AlphaPrime	So I did sudo pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/linux-5.14.8.arch1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst ... It worked.
2021-10-06 05:41:21	AlphaPrime	I've never downgraded a package. Is there some voodoo I need to run to un-upgrade this specific package when I'm done with tasks and can reboot?
2021-10-06 05:41:54	trevcan	hello, good evening. I'm having a little bit of a rough patch working with PGP, I've been using pass for the last 8 months and it's been great up until about 3 weeks ago. not sure what happened but everytime the pgp password cache runs out it will take like 20 to 40 seconds to show the GUI window for me to type in the password, also with pinentry-gtk-2, tty, and ncurses.
2021-10-06 05:42:12	moistphantom	AlphaPrime: if you run a normal update, it will update over it
2021-10-06 05:42:14	coruja	AlphaPrime: just the usual 'pacman -Syu'
2021-10-06 05:42:49	trevcan	I've been documenting it \
2021-10-06 05:42:54	AlphaPrime	Thank you both moistphantom and coruja. And jushur too.
2021-10-06 05:43:00	trevcan	here: https://trevcan.github.io/gpg.why
2021-10-06 05:43:01	phrik	Title: Why is GnuPG acting up ? | [“trevcan’s blog static site”] (at trevcan.github.io)
2021-10-06 05:43:35	trevcan	and in this reddit posts: https://old.reddit.com/r/GnuPG/comments/q2apuh/pinentry_takes_about_30_seconds_to_launch/?
2021-10-06 05:43:36	phrik	Title: pinentry takes about 30 seconds to launch. : GnuPG (at old.reddit.com)
2021-10-06 05:46:46	trevcan	It seems to me like there's a bug in the pinentry* executables, since it all leads to them. I've already verified and the pinentry-gtk-2 program is started and after like 20 to 40 seconds the real gui window with the password entry will launch.
2021-10-06 05:47:03	trevcan	I've done some logs already from reddit folks' suggestions:
2021-10-06 05:47:33	trevcan	`strace pass show Test/random > strace.pass.show.test.random.out 2>&1`
2021-10-06 05:48:21	trevcan	log is here: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/TrevCan/27b969d478c69699f33df65d8cac4ff8/raw/c39cb3b3c713a5ebeddc18f3e7ef144601645733/pass.show.out
2021-10-06 05:49:19	trevcan	Also, I've changed my config gpg-agent.conf to show debug logs to a file.
2021-10-06 05:49:37	trevcan	I added the following lines: ```log-file /path/to/your/gpg-agent.log
2021-10-06 05:49:38	trevcan	debug-pinentry
2021-10-06 05:49:40	trevcan	debug ipc
2021-10-06 05:49:42	trevcan	verbose
2021-10-06 05:49:44	trevcan	```
2021-10-06 05:50:18	trevcan	the log is here: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/TrevCan/27b969d478c69699f33df65d8cac4ff8/raw/c39cb3b3c713a5ebeddc18f3e7ef144601645733/gpgagent.debug.out
2021-10-06 05:50:59	trevcan	!paste
2021-10-06 05:50:59	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-10-06 05:53:20	trevcan	Hello. I'm having some problems with the password store and GnuPG, regarding passphrase delay. Is there anyone who could help me ? 
2021-10-06 06:07:57	coruja	trevcan: i don't have any new approaches to your problem beyond the standard ones, which you have probably already tried (check pacman history, try other kernels, try from arch live iso etc), but maybe this one is more suited to be presented in the arch forums, to hopefully get attention by a possibly broader audience for a longer time than here
2021-10-06 06:09:05	trevcan	coruja: thanks, I appreciate the response. I will definitely try booting off a live iso. have a nice day
2021-10-06 08:22:04	carbolymer	what's the correct name for for AUR package with statically linked binary? with -bin or -static?
2021-10-06 08:22:57	phantomotap	i think -static given the name of pacman-static
2021-10-06 08:23:27	carbolymer	right, thanks
2021-10-06 08:23:38	txtsd	Is there a repo for prebuilt liquorix kernels?
2021-10-06 08:42:14	horseface	hello there citizens!
2021-10-06 08:42:34	horseface	does anybody can help me in how to get through or 'bypass' this error message in using lftp?
2021-10-06 08:42:35	horseface	https://bpa.st/SW4A
2021-10-06 08:42:36	phrik	Title: View paste SW4A (at bpa.st)
2021-10-06 08:42:37	horseface	:-/ !!!
2021-10-06 08:42:44	horseface	pls help...
2021-10-06 08:42:49	horseface	i need this archive!!!
2021-10-06 08:42:49	horseface	:-D
2021-10-06 09:01:17	alkino	TRY WITHOUT HTTPS BUT HTTP
2021-10-06 09:01:41	alkino	IF NOT IT SEEMS THERE IS NO WAY TO TELL LFTP TO DON'T BOTHER WITH SSL
2021-10-06 09:01:43	alkino	good porn
2021-10-06 09:02:39	ryzokuken	what's the non-evil way of editing desktop entries?
2021-10-06 09:03:01	ryzokuken	copying the file from /usr/share/applications to my homedir and editing the latter?
2021-10-06 09:03:23	ryzokuken	will it override the former or will I see two options?
2021-10-06 09:03:29	NetSysFire	theres ~/.local/share/applications for just that
2021-10-06 09:03:36	daspork	Im not sure how it picks the order of /usr/share and ~/.local/share
2021-10-06 09:03:37	NetSysFire	partial overrides are unfortunately not possible
2021-10-06 09:03:53	NetSysFire	~/.local/share stuff usually overrides the /usr/share one
2021-10-06 09:03:56	daspork	can you actually override a name with ~/.local share?
2021-10-06 09:03:58	daspork	ah coo
2021-10-06 09:04:17	NetSysFire	i mean not in all cases, but its possible to override desktop entries with it
2021-10-06 09:04:22	NetSysFire	the application must support that after all
2021-10-06 09:05:42	daspork	yeah i was just talking about desktop entries, i had never really read the spec for discovery order
2021-10-06 09:05:55	daspork	im sure its in the manpage or w/e but im lazy
2021-10-06 09:06:13	ryzokuken	NetSysFire: cool so if I `cp /usr/share/applications/xyz ~/.local/share/applications/xyz` and then edit it, it will work as I'd expect?
2021-10-06 09:06:46	NetSysFire	s/xyz/xyz.desktop/
2021-10-06 09:07:13	ryzokuken	yes that's what I meant
2021-10-06 09:10:30	ryzokuken	okay that worked great, thanks NetSysFire 
2021-10-06 09:10:41	NetSysFire	!next
2021-10-06 09:10:42	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2021-10-06 09:11:45	ryzokuken	is hexchat running on xwayland tho? *why*
2021-10-06 09:17:09	kib	can I set xdg-mime to open every image type in sxiv? or every video type in mpv?
2021-10-06 09:17:22	kib	something like "xdg-mime default mpv.desktop image/*"
2021-10-06 09:39:46	mkoskar	kib: I find it easier to edit ~/.config/mimeapps.list directly
2021-10-06 09:40:35	mkoskar	oh but I don't think you can do wildcards, hmm
2021-10-06 09:54:47	horseface	ikr ... from what i can see this is the case, alkino..
2021-10-06 09:55:08	horseface	i read through the manual and cannot see anyway to have this program ignore it..
2021-10-06 09:55:10	horseface	like i saw this...
2021-10-06 09:55:20	horseface	lftp -e 'ssl:verify-certificate no; mirror -c mp3; quit' https://freeteknomusic.org
2021-10-06 09:55:23	phrik	Title: Freeteknomusic.org - The Tekno Archive (at freeteknomusic.org)
2021-10-06 09:55:27	horseface	i am trying it like that.. but it is not working.
2021-10-06 09:55:28	horseface	:-/
2021-10-06 09:55:43	horseface	btw this is ALL noncopyrighteed music, fyi everyone, mods, etc.
2021-10-06 09:55:44	horseface	:-)
2021-10-06 09:56:02	horseface	1.3tb of it! for christ's sake...
2021-10-06 09:56:03	horseface	brr
2021-10-06 09:58:50	alkino	horseface: you should try to set ssl;blabla and after connection
2021-10-06 09:59:10	horseface	how do you mean, sir?
2021-10-06 09:59:16	horseface	i do not understand...
2021-10-06 09:59:17	horseface	:-S
2021-10-06 09:59:23	alkino	lftp # without nothig else
2021-10-06 09:59:43	horseface	simply lftp?
2021-10-06 09:59:48	horseface	and nothing following it..?
2021-10-06 09:59:49	horseface	:-/
2021-10-06 09:59:51	alkino	yes
2021-10-06 09:59:57	horseface	mm
2021-10-06 10:00:02	horseface	what good would this do lol?
2021-10-06 10:00:02	horseface	:-/
2021-10-06 10:00:17	horseface	[goosestepping@winning ~]$ lftp
2021-10-06 10:00:17	horseface	lftp :~> 
2021-10-06 10:00:18	horseface	lol
2021-10-06 10:00:19	horseface	:-/
2021-10-06 10:00:34	alkino	let you set ssl no verify and after establish connection
2021-10-06 10:02:12	alkino	works for me
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2021-10-06 10:14:50	baltazar	hi! how do I unmount a a nfs share that's unreachable?
2021-10-06 10:15:57	frostwork	'umount -l' should work, baltazar
2021-10-06 10:16:15	baltazar	frostwork: huh, thanks! it did indeed
2021-10-06 10:16:24	frostwork	cool :)
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2021-10-07 13:10:29	chazy	hi, i'm going to get a vps from hetzner and found out the wiki lists an image for this particular hosting but it's down, is the maintanier of the cloud image here?
2021-10-07 13:10:52	chazy	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux_on_a_VPS
2021-10-07 13:10:53	phrik	Title: Arch Linux on a VPS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-07 13:14:04	Foxboron	chazy: it's not down. The link points at an old image
2021-10-07 13:14:10	Foxboron	https://mirror.pkgbuild.com/images/
2021-10-07 13:14:10	phrik	Title: Index of /images/ (at mirror.pkgbuild.com)
2021-10-07 13:16:01	chazy	my bad, didn't finish reading, it says right there
2021-10-07 13:19:05	brtwrb	hello
2021-10-07 13:19:29	Namarrgon	how may we confuse you today?
2021-10-07 13:19:37	NetSysFire	good one Namarrgon
2021-10-07 13:22:01	mattrattus	hello
2021-10-07 13:22:56	mattrattus	I recently noticed that my home directory has permissions drwx------+ I checked the ACL and other:nobody
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2021-10-07 13:23:24	mattrattus	I checked the journal for the expression: setfacl chmod - nothing
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2021-10-07 13:23:35	mattrattus	How can I check what application and when could have made such a change? I am the only user of this computer.
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2021-10-07 13:31:20	Namarrgon	mattrattus: did you set up any kind of server in the past? ftp, http, etc?
2021-10-07 13:31:33	mattrattus	yes, httpd
2021-10-07 13:31:50	Namarrgon	did you set it up to have access to your ~?
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2021-10-07 13:32:55	mattrattus	yes, as the wiki suggests only: chmod o+x ~
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2021-10-07 13:33:18	Namarrgon	which wiki?
2021-10-07 13:33:48	mattrattus	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Apache_HTTP_Server#Configuration
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2021-10-07 13:33:49	phrik	Title: Apache HTTP Server - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-07 13:34:55	Namarrgon	do you remember resorting to ACL instead of chmod?
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2021-10-07 13:36:32	mattrattus	Well, no. I've checked the bash history, I've checked the journal - nothing like that has happened.
2021-10-07 13:36:33	zbe	I had same question some time back and I figured it out but I can't remember now :D. There is some package setting that acl
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2021-10-07 13:37:45	mattrattus	Namarrgon: Only change with chmod
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2021-10-09 18:27:33	susi	now that it's past, time to switch to dvorak :)
2021-10-09 18:28:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-10-09 18:28:36	ectospasm	That seemed like an even bigger barrier.
2021-10-09 18:29:34	teraflops	switch to dvorak speak esperanto ;)
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2021-10-09 18:40:34	The-Compiler	oh, keyboard layouts :)
2021-10-09 18:40:58	The-Compiler	currently trying to switch to https://shop.keyboard.io/products/model-01-keyboard and Colemak :D
2021-10-09 18:41:00	phrik	Title: Model 01 Keyboard – Keyboardio (at shop.keyboard.io)
2021-10-09 18:41:34	The-Compiler	typing words is reasonably easy now (thanks to KTouch and typelit.io), but symbols and vim/wm/qutebrowser shortcuts are still a pain
2021-10-09 18:42:30	rcf	You should annoy users and change the default shortcuts to match your current muscle memory for qutebrowser
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2021-10-09 18:46:26	riv	The-Compiler: that looks interesting
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2021-10-09 18:46:58	riv	is it one piece?
2021-10-09 18:47:06	archdemon	The-Compiler: how do you like the kb
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2021-10-09 18:58:03	techvio	ectospasm: it's because i want to run anbox which requires linux-lts kernel for dkms modules to work
2021-10-09 18:59:07	techvio	btw, i use arch as a daily driver OS
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2021-10-09 19:01:29	susi	dvorak is perfect for coding and shell 
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2021-10-09 19:08:20	techvio	i think i will just go to linux-lts kernel and give anbox a try if i didn't liked it, i will go back the the bleeding edge one
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2021-10-09 19:15:31	techvio	going to reboot into the lts kernel, see you after the reboot
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2021-10-09 19:27:28	thrice	famouse last words
2021-10-09 19:27:32	thrice	famous*
2021-10-09 19:27:48	alad	what's with these hipsters and their wooden keyboards 
2021-10-09 19:27:49	alad	:O
2021-10-09 19:27:58	alad	$329, good god
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2021-10-09 19:28:39	BrainDamage	still affordable
2021-10-09 19:28:43	ramblebamble	alad, it ensure that, in case  you run out of money to heat your room, you can use your keyboard to keep warm
2021-10-09 19:28:53	gehidore	I'll build you one for 3000$ alad 
2021-10-09 19:28:56	BrainDamage	I saw a keyb with all keys beiing tiny oled screns
2021-10-09 19:28:57	gehidore	made from purpleheart
2021-10-09 19:28:57	alad	ramblebamble: makes sense
2021-10-09 19:29:08	BrainDamage	which was like 2k$
2021-10-09 19:29:08	alad	gehidore: only if you sign it
2021-10-09 19:29:15	susi	wood's everywhere, why not make your own wooden kb
2021-10-09 19:29:30	ramblebamble	BrainDamage, now that makes sense, if you switch between let's say Katakana, English, Spanish and Russian
2021-10-09 19:29:37	ramblebamble	but still 2k? o.O
2021-10-09 19:29:48	BrainDamage	alad: a while ago you recommended a tool to chroot builds, but i've lost the link. do you still have it?
2021-10-09 19:30:08	susi	well, I have used dvorak for 16 years on a keyboard with qwerty printings, doesn't bother me at all. I never look at the keyboard when typing, except if using only one hand
2021-10-09 19:30:13	susi	(and one finger)
2021-10-09 19:30:27	ramblebamble	susi, alad, yes wood is everywhere, and unless you have wood or can get it, you have to buy it to pretent to have it
2021-10-09 19:30:33	ramblebamble	scnr soo easy
2021-10-09 19:30:46	gehidore	alad for 3000$ I'd sign it with with my own blood
2021-10-09 19:30:48	alad	BrainDamage: https://github.com/fragmede/schroot though, I didn't get to trying it yet
2021-10-09 19:30:52	alad	gehidore: it's a deal then
2021-10-09 19:31:10	mingdao	I like the cute little butterfly key.  No idea what it does, but hey, it looks so cute.
2021-10-09 19:31:15	gehidore	now you just need to respond to the emails I'm sure you flagged as spam
2021-10-09 19:31:18	BrainDamage	alad: thanks
2021-10-09 19:31:26	BrainDamage	https://www.techpowerup.com/45290/optimus-oled-keyboard-box-design-and-pre-order-date-unveiled the 2k$ keyb
2021-10-09 19:31:28	phrik	Title: Optimus OLED Keyboard Box Design and Pre-order Date Unveiled | TechPowerUp (at www.techpowerup.com)
2021-10-09 19:31:31	BrainDamage	it's 15 years old now
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2021-10-09 19:31:44	BrainDamage	could probably be affordable nowdays
2021-10-09 19:32:05	alad	nice
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2021-10-09 19:32:56	The-Compiler	riv: it's split with a RJ45 cable, but there are bars you can use to use it as a one piece thing
2021-10-09 19:32:57	alad	BrainDamage: well you could buy the version with 6 keys and then it'd be affordable
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2021-10-09 19:33:03	riv	ah!! very nice
2021-10-09 19:33:08	alad	https://www.artlebedev.com/optimus/mini-six/ :O
2021-10-09 19:33:09	riv	RJ45 is a nice touch
2021-10-09 19:33:09	phrik	Title: Optimus mini six keyboard (at www.artlebedev.com)
2021-10-09 19:33:13	The-Compiler	archdemon: I love both the keyboard and the company/community behind it
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2021-10-09 19:33:31	nZer0	hey
2021-10-09 19:34:05	The-Compiler	archdemon: got it for free (a friend saw that I was interested in the successor, Model 100, and apparently didn't use his because he never could get used to it, so he sent it to me :D) - but now also getting a Model 100 so I have one for the office
2021-10-09 19:34:32	alad	BrainDamage: unfortunately their store has everything in stock, from socks to coffee beans to piggy banks, except keyboards 
2021-10-09 19:34:32	mingdao	archdemon?
2021-10-09 19:34:47	susi	ithat keyboard news is from 2007's
2021-10-09 19:35:03	The-Compiler	alad: $300ish for something I use multiple hours per day (and hopefully lasts years) seems reasonable - also the pain in my wrists improved a lot when switching to mechanical keyboards
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2021-10-09 19:35:34	alad	The-Compiler: I admit I spent $100 on a mechanical keyboard in 2014 and despite my best efforts, I didn't manage to break it yet
2021-10-09 19:35:38	The-Compiler	mingdao: I don't think the butterfly key does anything by default, but you can map all keys with a GUI tool (or tinker with the firmware directly even)
2021-10-09 19:36:57	The-Compiler	riv: yeah, almost every split keyboard uses either TRRS (3.5mm audio+mic cable) or RJ45, because it's trivial to get cables in any length for it
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2021-10-10 01:56:38	ectospasm	Now NEXT and LEFT are populated with timestamps/durations.
2021-10-10 01:57:06	phantomotap	congrats.
2021-10-10 01:57:15	ectospasm	I swore I had this solved last night.
2021-10-10 01:57:24	ectospasm	I'll check again later.
2021-10-10 01:57:58	ectospasm	I dunno why, but my ISP decided to hand me a new IP address when I was migrating my router to Arch.  I would have figured it was MAC address based.
2021-10-10 01:58:11	ectospasm	Then again I didn't pay close attention to the MAC address before I did anything.
2021-10-10 01:58:28	ectospasm	It had been the same IP address for a long time, no matter how many times I rebooted my router.
2021-10-10 02:03:03	MacGyver	ectospasm: You need to combine onbootsec and onunitactivesec.
2021-10-10 02:03:17	MacGyver	Otherwise the cycle doesn't start.
2021-10-10 02:03:48	ectospasm	MacGyver: That makes sense, when I manually started the service, that started the cycle.
2021-10-10 02:03:59	ectospasm	I'm still learning systemd timers.
2021-10-10 02:04:14	ectospasm	I like them better than cron, but man they're a lot harder to set up.
2021-10-10 02:04:15	⚡ 	phantomotap looks sideways
2021-10-10 02:04:18	phantomotap	who isn't?
2021-10-10 02:04:46	ectospasm	At least with systemd you can focus on getting the service to work first, then figure out how to set up the timer.u
2021-10-10 02:14:28	SponiX	ectospasm: I have 1 functional systemd-timer
2021-10-10 02:14:42	SponiX	so, if you need any help.. I'm an expert
2021-10-10 02:14:48	ectospasm	Heheheh
2021-10-10 02:15:35	ectospasm	The only reason I haven't been using systemd timers in the RHEL systems I manage is that I'm afraid no one will see them.  We rely too much on cron there.
2021-10-10 02:15:55	ectospasm	I mean, Engineering has put some timers there, but I'm probably the only person on my team that actually uses them.
2021-10-10 02:16:15	ectospasm	I did teach my class about systemd timers when I was teaching my RHEL7 class at work.
2021-10-10 02:16:24	ectospasm	But only a handful of people were in that meeting.
2021-10-10 02:22:49	Mysterytrain	is it archived somewhere ectospasm
2021-10-10 02:22:51	MasterOfDisaster	I think I encountered a kernel bug, how/where am I supposed to report this?
2021-10-10 02:23:50	ectospasm	Mysterytrain: only in my employer's Zoom archive, and in their Confluence system.
2021-10-10 02:24:04	Mysterytrain	well durn
2021-10-10 02:24:05	ectospasm	And I didn't start recording the sessions until about halfway through the course.
2021-10-10 02:24:17	thrice	there is a kernel bugzilla
2021-10-10 02:24:45	MasterOfDisaster	I extracted dmesg from a kdump file. I get "#PF: supervisor write access in kernel mode" in smb3_receive_transform.
2021-10-10 02:25:57	MasterOfDisaster	I'd like to make sure that this isn't arch specific before bugging the kernel devs.
2021-10-10 02:29:13	thrice	hm, I thought kdump required debuginfo
2021-10-10 02:35:27	Sir_Andrei	Hello
2021-10-10 02:35:57	phantomotap	howdy!
2021-10-10 02:36:07	Sir_Andrei	People. I am having a lot of errors when trying to update all packages at once using yay -Syu. I saw on GitHub that there was an open issue about that. What is the state of that problem?
2021-10-10 02:36:27	thrice	well, first, try using pacman
2021-10-10 02:36:39	thrice	or, do you mean yay just for your aur stuff
2021-10-10 02:36:44	sheep	what error?
2021-10-10 02:36:52	Sir_Andrei	I use pacman. But I mean yay for my aur stuff.
2021-10-10 02:37:26	Sir_Andrei	sheep. It doesn't ignore errors. If something unexpected happens when updating, it just stops there.
2021-10-10 02:38:48	MasterOfDisaster	thrice: yeah, had to recompile arch's kernel.
2021-10-10 02:40:44	ectospasm	Sir_Andrei: do you get errors running makepkg on any of those PKGBUILDs?
2021-10-10 02:40:53	ectospasm	In general AUR helpers are eschewed here.
2021-10-10 02:41:31	ectospasm	I use pikaur myself, which was inspired in part by yay. 
2021-10-10 02:41:53	ectospasm	But I haven't noticed any problems like that with pikaur lately.  Though I haven't run an update today that I'm aware of.
2021-10-10 02:42:08	Sir_Andrei	pikaur. I'll try that.
2021-10-10 02:42:23	Sir_Andrei	ectospasm. I believe yes. I am running it in this moment trying to replicate that problem.
2021-10-10 02:42:38	MasterOfDisaster	meh. AUR packages - most are as stable as me balancing on chopsticks, so Sir_Andrei that's pretty much par for the course.
2021-10-10 02:43:04	Sir_Andrei	==> ERROR: One or more files did not pass the validity check!
2021-10-10 02:43:08	Sir_Andrei	That's the error message.
2021-10-10 02:43:26	ectospasm	Sir_Andrei: you mean a GPG error or it was corrupted on download?
2021-10-10 02:43:30	ectospasm	Look further.
2021-10-10 02:43:49	Sir_Andrei	CVE-2014-8139.patch ... FAILED
2021-10-10 02:43:56	MasterOfDisaster	Sir_Andrei: could be a memory error too - always fun :-P
2021-10-10 02:44:26	ectospasm	Sir_Andrei: that looks like a specific problem for the PKGBUILD you're installing.  Can you figure out what package it is?
2021-10-10 02:44:47	Sir_Andrei	Is this package: ==> Making package: unzip-iconv 6.0-9 (Sat 09 Oct 2021 09:42:43 PM -03)
2021-10-10 02:44:52	Sir_Andrei	unzip-iconv
2021-10-10 02:45:45	thrice	16 patches, yikes
2021-10-10 02:46:09	thrice	looks like an awful package - doy ou really need it?
2021-10-10 02:46:12	ectospasm	So, go to that package page at https://aur.archlinux.org and see if anyone else has noticed the problem. 
2021-10-10 02:46:13	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - Home (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-10-10 02:46:27	Namarrgon	why do you have that installed?
2021-10-10 02:47:15	Sir_Andrei	Namarrgon. I don't remember. I guess I was trying something.
2021-10-10 02:47:25	Namarrgon	try to get rid of it then
2021-10-10 02:48:10	Namarrgon	replace it with the regular 'unzip' if something depend on it
2021-10-10 02:48:18	Namarrgon	*depends
2021-10-10 02:48:23	Sir_Andrei	ectospasm, yea, there is people who noticed that problem too.
2021-10-10 02:48:37	Sir_Andrei	I mean, I'll uninstall that package, yes.
2021-10-10 02:48:49	Sir_Andrei	But that's just for that package. I have like... 30 packages to update.
2021-10-10 02:49:12	thrice	well, start to learn how PKGBUILDs work :-)
2021-10-10 02:49:18	Sir_Andrei	And... it is like... a bad policy to just stop the entire update process because an error in one package.
2021-10-10 02:49:26	ectospasm	Sir_Andrei: they're not all probably erroring out.  It's likely the source of that patch updated it upstream, and the AUR maintainer has not updated the sum
2021-10-10 02:49:33	Namarrgon	welcome to partial updates
2021-10-10 02:49:35	thrice	"yay" is not an arch project
2021-10-10 02:50:10	Sir_Andrei	ectospasm. Yea, if I try just to update, say... android-studio, it runs without any problem.
2021-10-10 02:50:14	MasterOfDisaster	Sir_Andrei: well - that's what you get with AUR packages. Quality varies wildly. So does the quality of the AUR helper tools.
2021-10-10 02:50:38	Sir_Andrei	MasterOfDisaster. What a good nick for the ocassion hell hahahah
2021-10-10 02:50:58	MasterOfDisaster	Which is why I guess that people here aren't too happy answering questions about them.
2021-10-10 02:51:53	Sir_Andrei	Hmm. So... I'll make a dumb question. What AUR helper do u recommend instead of yay?
2021-10-10 02:52:09	Sir_Andrei	I just want to automate that process so it doesn't bother me. That's all.
2021-10-10 02:52:14	ectospasm	You won't get an answer to that question here.  There are no officially supported AUR helpers.
2021-10-10 02:52:17	Namarrgon	learn how to use makepkg first
2021-10-10 02:52:34	Namarrgon	if you don't understand how packaging works you will have problems with any aur helper
2021-10-10 02:52:57	MasterOfDisaster	Every time yay and its brethren p*ss me off, I ponder using Gitlab or Jenkins to build and update the various AUR packages I use to a custom repo.
2021-10-10 02:53:55	ectospasm	Most of the time when I have a problem with pikaur, it's not pikaur that's the problem.  It's some AUR package that isn't cooperating.  But I do know how to use makepkg and investigate.
2021-10-10 02:53:56	MasterOfDisaster	But then the repo handling scripts piss me off more.
2021-10-10 02:54:53	ectospasm	A lot of the problems I've seen is the AUR package hasn't been updated with the latest sums, so when you download files directly from upstream they don't check out.
2021-10-10 02:55:28	ectospasm	And when I see 'SKIP' in the sums it scares me.
2021-10-10 02:55:36	Sir_Andrei	Ah, unzip-iconv is a dependency
2021-10-10 02:55:46	Sir_Andrei	:: removing unzip-iconv breaks dependency 'unzip' required by file-roller
2021-10-10 02:56:01	ectospasm	Do you use file-roller?
2021-10-10 02:56:01	phantomotap	you swap the install
2021-10-10 02:56:04	Namarrgon	'unzip' is the dependency, 'unzip-iconv' just happens to provide it
2021-10-10 02:56:19	phantomotap	oops. ignore that. 
2021-10-10 02:56:23	Sir_Andrei	Ah. sry, i didn't read correctly.
2021-10-10 02:56:49	ectospasm	So, if you install unzip it may say that it conflicts with unzip-iconv
2021-10-10 02:57:00	ectospasm	Then you can uninstall unzip-iconv
2021-10-10 02:57:12	ectospasm	If you're lucky
2021-10-10 02:57:21	ectospasm	But you'd have this problem with makepkg, too
2021-10-10 02:57:22	phantomotap	ah the joys of a partial update...
2021-10-10 02:57:44	thrice	not a partial update, just a garbage aur package
2021-10-10 02:58:22	Sir_Andrei	Okay. unzip-iconv is gone.
2021-10-10 02:58:35	Sir_Andrei	makepkg. Let's go down this rabbithole.
2021-10-10 02:59:44	Sir_Andrei	At least if I make it out ill be more competent.
2021-10-10 03:00:06	Namarrgon	check your other foreign packages, you probably can reduce the number further
2021-10-10 03:00:19	thrice	yeah, it's a good idea.  Your last issue needed a simple fix to the PKGBUILD, for example
2021-10-10 03:00:30	Sir_Andrei	Yea. I am updating one by one trying to locate the bad apples.
2021-10-10 03:10:59	pushqrdx	Can someone help me please. I just installed arch(the mini install) and trying to install xorg but getting target not found
2021-10-10 03:11:16	phantomotap	mini install?
2021-10-10 03:11:19	pushqrdx	I am sure i updated the repos and even ran pacman -Syu
2021-10-10 03:11:19	ectospasm	mini install?  What's that?
2021-10-10 03:11:33	pushqrdx	The base iso
2021-10-10 03:11:48	ectospasm	pushqrdx: did you run pacstrap with just base?
2021-10-10 03:12:22	pushqrdx	I used archinstall util. I am new to arch but it seemed like archinstall did the right things?
2021-10-10 03:12:32	pushqrdx	There were no errors during install
2021-10-10 03:12:34	ectospasm	Any installer is unsupported here.
2021-10-10 03:12:44	ectospasm	It's not Arch if you used an installer.
2021-10-10 03:12:56	Jiogen	I disagree
2021-10-10 03:12:56	pushqrdx	The official installer i mean..
2021-10-10 03:13:03	ectospasm	What official installer?
2021-10-10 03:13:07	coruja	ectospasm: it is
2021-10-10 03:13:13	Jiogen	archinstall is official
2021-10-10 03:13:14	Namarrgon	!give pushqrdx aw xorg
2021-10-10 03:13:15	phrik	pushqrdx: Xorg - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg
2021-10-10 03:13:15	Disconsented	The installer thats distributed in the current ISO?
2021-10-10 03:13:18	ectospasm	There's the Installation_guide
2021-10-10 03:13:22	pushqrdx	Arch has an official installer...
2021-10-10 03:13:27	NoobAlice	ectospasm: https://archlinux.org/news/installation-medium-with-installer/
2021-10-10 03:13:28	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Installation medium with installer (at archlinux.org)
2021-10-10 03:13:36	Namarrgon	as a newbie you should have used the installation guide instead
2021-10-10 03:13:37	Jiogen	ectospasm: shush hostile asshole
2021-10-10 03:13:38	ectospasm	Oh, this is news to me.
2021-10-10 03:13:45	Namarrgon	Jiogen: chill
2021-10-10 03:13:49	pushqrdx	Called archinstall it came with the iso and is mentioned on the website
2021-10-10 03:13:50	Disconsented	^
2021-10-10 03:14:33	ectospasm	I do not remember seeing the installer option on the Arch ISO.  Then again, I don't remember reading the menu and just booting the default option
2021-10-10 03:14:43	thrice	anyway, what command are you using specifically?
2021-10-10 03:14:44	ectospasm	I've installed Arch twice in the past week
2021-10-10 03:14:46	SponiX	ectospasm: Yeah, they released that on April Fools Day -- BUT, it is a legit thing. There is also an IRC Channel dedicated to it if memory serves me
2021-10-10 03:14:56	NoobAlice	ectospasm: :D  It's third item down on the main page as a news item, so you should check and see if there is anything else you missed.
2021-10-10 03:15:07	SponiX	ectospasm: it is literally just a script called "archinstall"
2021-10-10 03:15:27	pushqrdx	I ran pacman -Syu first then pacman -S xorg-xserver
2021-10-10 03:15:38	pushqrdx	But pacman says target not found..
2021-10-10 03:15:56	ectospasm	NoobAlice: but the Installation_guide does not mention it yet.
2021-10-10 03:16:02	Scimmia	and why do you think that's the name of the package?
2021-10-10 03:16:05	⚡ 	NoobAlice shrugs
2021-10-10 03:16:11	pushqrdx	... it been there for a long time btw
2021-10-10 03:16:21	coruja	pushqrdx: there's no such package
2021-10-10 03:16:27	thrice	pushqrdx: you're close, but about 1 letter off from success
2021-10-10 03:16:30	pushqrdx	Arch wiki says ot's the name of the xorg package
2021-10-10 03:16:39	MasterOfDisaster	ectospasm: real box or vm?
2021-10-10 03:16:52	pushqrdx	Real box
2021-10-10 03:16:54	Scimmia	where?
2021-10-10 03:16:56	Jiogen	<coruja>: there is xorg-server
2021-10-10 03:17:05	ectospasm	MasterOfDisaster: two bare metal boxes.  One, my old QNAP NAS.  The other, my Intel NUC router.
2021-10-10 03:17:20	SponiX	pushqrdx: look again.... its "xorg-server" 
2021-10-10 03:17:24	coruja	Jiogen: that's not what they tried
2021-10-10 03:17:25	SponiX	[root@sponix ~]# pacman -Ss xorg-server
2021-10-10 03:17:25	SponiX	extra/xorg-server 1.20.13-2 (xorg) [installed]
2021-10-10 03:17:43	pushqrdx	Arch wiki literally has a guide on installing X and it says install xorg-xserver
2021-10-10 03:17:49	Scimmia	pushqrdx: again, where?
2021-10-10 03:17:51	SponiX	pushqrdx: notice the spelling difference of the package name ?
2021-10-10 03:17:52	Jiogen	pacman -Q xorg-server returns xorg-server 1.20.13-2
2021-10-10 03:17:56	MasterOfDisaster	ah. I did a kvm vm for the crashkernel thing this week.
2021-10-10 03:18:06	ectospasm	Arch wiki can be out of date.  It *is* maintained by a community of volunteers.
2021-10-10 03:18:12	SponiX	pushqrdx: then the guide needs to be revised. Please drop a link to that page
2021-10-10 03:18:22	MasterOfDisaster	I do miss kickstart with arch :-P
2021-10-10 03:18:28	coruja	'Xorg can be installed with the xorg-server package.'
2021-10-10 03:18:44	pushqrdx	How can i install xserver.. i can't find that package
2021-10-10 03:18:55	Namarrgon	pushqrdx: read again, slowly and carefully
2021-10-10 03:18:59	Scimmia	pushqrdx: are you bothering to read anytihng anyone's posting?
2021-10-10 03:19:18	Namarrgon	pushqrdx: if you don't see the mistake then you might need a nap
2021-10-10 03:19:38	SponiX	pushqrdx: command you need to be running is: pacman -S xorg-server     (not xorg-xserver)
2021-10-10 03:20:05	SponiX	If the wiki says otherwise, yeah it needs a revision
2021-10-10 03:20:17	pushqrdx	Yeah thanks Sponix for not making it any harder for me
2021-10-10 03:20:25	coruja	SponiX: as i quoted, it doesn't
2021-10-10 03:20:46	ectospasm	Typos 'l getcha!
2021-10-10 03:21:07	pushqrdx	Damn debian glued xserver into my brain 😂
2021-10-10 03:21:09	Scimmia	pushqrdx: if you need people to spoon feed you commands, you're going to have a very bad time here, and on Arch in general
2021-10-10 03:21:32	MasterOfDisaster	Scimmia: easy...
2021-10-10 03:21:34	coruja	pushqrdx: that's what i was just about to ask, if coming from debian ;)
2021-10-10 03:21:48	Jiogen	grab yourself grml-zsh-config and behold the tab autocompletion with 0 effort
2021-10-10 03:22:07	SponiX	Jiogen: but wouldn't that require zsh ? LOL
2021-10-10 03:22:10	pushqrdx	Yeah please calm down i never asked for spoon feeding anything i asked that i can't find something and turned out to be a dumb brain auto correction
2021-10-10 03:22:32	Jiogen	SponiX: it gets installed as a dependincy
2021-10-10 03:22:35	pushqrdx	Sorry for bothering you with this
2021-10-10 03:22:44	SponiX	pushqrdx: you are fine
2021-10-10 03:22:48	MasterOfDisaster	pushqrdx: No worries
2021-10-10 03:23:02	coruja	pushqrdx: nothing serious, ectospasm even missed reading whole websites ;)
2021-10-10 03:23:03	MasterOfDisaster	pushqrdx: Typos get everyone.
2021-10-10 03:23:10	Scimmia	pushqrdx: it's comments like "<pushqrdx> Yeah thanks Sponix for not making it any harder for me" that make it seem otherwise
2021-10-10 03:23:32	ectospasm	coruja: can't read 'em if you don't look at them!  I should probably subscribe to the Arch Linux announce list.
2021-10-10 03:23:43	Scimmia	we were trying to point you in the right direction, even giving you the package name, but...
2021-10-10 03:23:49	pushqrdx	That comment just thanked him for elaborating that it's server not Xserver
2021-10-10 03:23:49	coruja	ectospasm: +1
2021-10-10 03:24:29	pushqrdx	I already read it xserver even on the wiki for some. Dumb brain insisting on debian habits
2021-10-10 03:24:44	coruja	pushqrdx: so enjoy your arch installation now
2021-10-10 03:24:56	cache_return	is there a way to type digraphs in a terminal emulator like you can in vim with ctrl-k?
2021-10-10 03:25:17	MasterOfDisaster	pushqrdx: pacman -Ss is your friend - especially if you move around between 3+ distros and can't remember package names.
2021-10-10 03:25:25	MasterOfDisaster	pushqrdx: so's pkgfile.
2021-10-10 03:26:46	pushqrdx	First thing i did was search but i piped the search into less and started searching for "xserver" lmao
2021-10-10 03:26:51	ectospasm	I just officially kicked my Debian habit yesterday.
2021-10-10 03:27:34	MasterOfDisaster	ectospasm: still firmly on Redhat's tit @ work.
2021-10-10 03:27:35	Namarrgon	cache_return: it depends on your emulator, some support it other rely on an IME
2021-10-10 03:27:45	cache_return	alacritty
2021-10-10 03:28:17	Namarrgon	i guess you could use compose
2021-10-10 03:28:25	ectospasm	MasterOfDisaster: that is not my decision to make.  I do try to keep my skills sharp there, though.
2021-10-10 03:28:35	cache_return	but I will open a new emulator if I need to
2021-10-10 03:28:36	pushqrdx	Is there any arch iso that's less than 100mb. I am used to install debian mini (which is 80mb) and simple xserver on top and it's super small even after adding all the necesseary stuff. I was surprised that arch base is 800mb and even downloaded extra 500mb
2021-10-10 03:28:43	ectospasm	Many of our customers are still scared shitless of open source.
2021-10-10 03:28:49	Namarrgon	pushqrdx: no, there's only one iso
2021-10-10 03:29:06	Namarrgon	arch is full of bloat, just give into it
2021-10-10 03:29:06	Disconsented	scared ?
2021-10-10 03:29:07	Jiogen	you can create yourown custom archiso
2021-10-10 03:29:22	MasterOfDisaster	ectospasm: I wouldn't move away from it - just from RHEL to the free ones.
2021-10-10 03:29:22	Jiogen	https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/archiso/
2021-10-10 03:29:24	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - archiso 58-1 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2021-10-10 03:30:12	coruja	pushqrdx: arch packages usually are bigger than debian's ones, as they ship sources, which are 'outsourced' in debian, and the arch iso offers quite a minimal approach to install
2021-10-10 03:30:12	ectospasm	MasterOfDisaster: again, not my decision to make.  I don't get a choice to use many of the technologies at work.
2021-10-10 03:30:31	ectospasm	I know there are better ways to do things, but I gotta work with what we have.
2021-10-10 03:30:37	MasterOfDisaster	ectospasm: The powers that be over here want something they can throw money at if push comes to shove. 
2021-10-10 03:30:38	Jiogen	I hate how stuck on MS we are at work
2021-10-10 03:30:55	Namarrgon	coruja: arch packages do not contain sources
2021-10-10 03:31:00	ectospasm	MasterOfDisaster: that's precisely the issue, even though what I do is manage a black box application.
2021-10-10 03:31:05	Namarrgon	they do contain all the headers, docs, etc though
2021-10-10 03:31:21	coruja	Namarrgon: i thought they did
2021-10-10 03:31:26	cache_return	Namarrgon: What is compose?
2021-10-10 03:31:39	coruja	ah, then not precise by me, sorry
2021-10-10 03:31:46	Namarrgon	cache_return: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg/Keyboard_configuration#Configuring_compose_key
2021-10-10 03:31:47	phrik	Title: Xorg/Keyboard configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-10 03:31:48	MasterOfDisaster	ectospasm: yeah sure, I don't want not advocate or preach - sorry if that turned out wrong.
2021-10-10 03:32:21	Namarrgon	cache_return: if that's not dynamic enough then look at an IME
2021-10-10 03:33:11	cache_return	unfortunately using wayland
2021-10-10 03:35:20	coruja	Namarrgon: so when rebuilding an official packages, sources are downloaded when building, right? (never did itmyself so far)
2021-10-10 03:35:38	coruja	s/packages/package/
2021-10-10 03:36:20	Scimmia	coruja: yes
2021-10-10 03:36:31	coruja	i see, thx
2021-10-10 03:38:17	Jiogen	is ventoy's site down?
2021-10-10 03:38:47	Scimmia	doens't appear to be
2021-10-10 03:38:57	Jiogen	huh, just me then
2021-10-10 04:07:56	Orchid	Hiya, I'm new in this channel 👋
2021-10-10 04:08:05	ectospasm	!welcome
2021-10-10 04:08:05	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2021-10-10 04:08:16	Orchid	Dang it :v
2021-10-10 04:09:12	phantomotap	hello
2021-10-10 04:09:27	Orchid	Hiya :)
2021-10-10 04:14:06	Orchid	Wow, kernel.org already releases 5.14.11 :vv
2021-10-10 04:16:38	Menzador	Love that command
2021-10-10 04:39:12	kevr	Hello, Orchid. If you'd like to chat with folks in a hang-out like area, there is an offtopic channel, which is suitable for non-tech-help related things:
2021-10-10 04:39:16	kevr	!give Orchid offtopic
2021-10-10 04:39:17	phrik	Orchid: Take it to #archlinux-offtopic
2021-10-10 04:41:59	Orchid	Okie
2021-10-10 06:13:10	hspak	Was gptfdisk removed from the official Arch ISO?
2021-10-10 06:13:36	sheep	fdisk can handle gpt
2021-10-10 06:15:06	hspak	Does fdisk support running as single line commands like sgdisk? 
2021-10-10 06:15:44	sheep	sfdisk does
2021-10-10 06:16:01	hspak	Ah nice, til that exists
2021-10-10 06:33:49	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-10 07:24:07	sheep	fdisk and sfdisk can do gpt now and have been able to for years now
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2021-10-10 07:28:45	gehidore	^
2021-10-10 07:28:52	gehidore	oddly I still prefer gdisk for some reason
2021-10-10 07:29:45	hspak	Nah was referring specifically to: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/gptfdisk/
2021-10-10 07:29:47	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - gptfdisk 1.0.8-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2021-10-10 07:30:16	Mysterytrain	i tend to switch back and forf between fdisk and gdisk. gdisk seems to give more info
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2021-10-10 07:36:22	phrik	Title: Roderick W. Smith (at rodsbooks.com)
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2021-10-10 08:46:29	Synthead	I'm looking to use yt-dlp to collect a list of videos for a youtube user
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2021-10-10 08:46:46	Synthead	I know that it does it behind the scenes, but I'm just looking to get a list of URLs
2021-10-10 08:46:53	Synthead	can I do this?
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2021-10-10 09:01:35	thurstylark	Synthead: idk if the output is parseable at all, but apparently there's a whole section in the manpage about verbosity and simulation: https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp#verbosity-and-simulation-options
2021-10-10 09:02:04	thurstylark	probably some combo that will get the urls on stdout or stderr, then you're golden
2021-10-10 09:02:32	thurstylark	assuming it's not a pita to massage into whatever's next in your pipeline :P
2021-10-10 09:03:50	thurstylark	there's a json dump option there too. Just parse that with jq for the video IDs, and cat it with "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v="
2021-10-10 09:04:27	thurstylark	or "https://youtu.be/" if you're feelin fancy
2021-10-10 09:10:03	Synthead	thurstylark: that's what I'm attempting, but it downloads a json file for each video, which in my case takes hours
2021-10-10 09:10:19	thurstylark	use the simulation option
2021-10-10 09:10:20	Synthead	I know it paginates over some stuff pretty quick and gathers a list behind the scenes
2021-10-10 09:10:22	thurstylark	are you reading this page?
2021-10-10 09:10:27	Synthead	reading what page?
2021-10-10 09:10:29	thurstylark	it says exactly what it does
2021-10-10 09:10:32	thurstylark	the one I linked
2021-10-10 09:10:34	thurstylark	the manpage
2021-10-10 09:10:45	thurstylark	for the thing you're trying to operate
2021-10-10 09:10:48	thurstylark	the manual
2021-10-10 09:10:53	thurstylark	as in: instructions
2021-10-10 09:11:01	Synthead	oh yeah, I've been up and down the man page that has this content
2021-10-10 09:11:15	thurstylark	so? are you using the simulate option?
2021-10-10 09:11:47	Synthead	the simulate option seems to iterate over the videos
2021-10-10 09:11:58	thurstylark	also dump-single-json seems to do exactly what you want
2021-10-10 09:12:33	thurstylark	so -sJ and then parse with jq is your turnkey
2021-10-10 09:13:42	Synthead	hmm
2021-10-10 09:13:52	Synthead	this seems to be pretty quiet
2021-10-10 09:13:56	Synthead	strace does show that it's at work
2021-10-10 09:14:31	Synthead	this seems to be iterating, too
2021-10-10 09:14:39	Synthead	I am trying it with --verbose
2021-10-10 09:15:14	thurstylark	then put all the videos in an unlisted playlist and give the playlist link to yt-dlp
2021-10-10 09:15:23	Synthead	bleh
2021-10-10 09:16:09	thurstylark	actually, you could try giving it the playlist link for the channel
2021-10-10 09:16:22	thurstylark	this is for the formula 1 channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QknKQ0MmpM&list=UUB_qr75-ydFVKSF9Dmo6izg&index=2
2021-10-10 09:16:32	Synthead	if I give it a channel link, it works, but it iterates over what is ~800 videos
2021-10-10 09:16:53	Synthead	I have a list of video IDs that I've acquired information for somewhere else
2021-10-10 09:17:25	Synthead	I'm hoping to use this tool to fetch information about a channel to compare things and see if there's new content
2021-10-10 09:17:51	thurstylark	I didn't say channel link
2021-10-10 09:18:01	thurstylark	I said channel playlist link
2021-10-10 09:18:03	thurstylark	https://paste.xinu.at/hlK/
2021-10-10 09:18:08	thurstylark	the play all button here
2021-10-10 09:20:00	Synthead	the playlist still iterates
2021-10-10 09:20:59	thurstylark	ok, so go into more detail about what you expect it to do vs what it's doing, because I'm not understanding what metrics you're using to identify the failure case
2021-10-10 09:21:42	Synthead	I'm looking to get a list of videos, even links are fine
2021-10-10 09:22:04	Synthead	if I do --verbose --dump-single-json on a playlist, it will iterate over every video and do parsing
2021-10-10 09:22:20	Synthead	it seems to take a few seconds each, and at that point, it already has all the video IDs and such
2021-10-10 09:22:38	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-10 09:26:08	thurstylark	can you give me the full command that you're using?
2021-10-10 09:26:20	thurstylark	even if you drop the channel url, I can use a different one
2021-10-10 09:26:24	thurstylark	want to see what you're seeing
2021-10-10 09:29:45	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-10-10 09:29:49	Synthead	well, I've been playing with a bunch of stuff
2021-10-10 09:29:55	Synthead	but by the documentation, this should work
2021-10-10 09:29:57	Synthead	yt-dlp --flat-playlist https://www.youtube.com/c/PhoneLosersofAmerica
2021-10-10 09:30:28	Synthead	the man page says that this should list videos, but it does not
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2021-10-10 09:34:29	Mysterytrain	yt-dlp?
2021-10-10 09:34:37	Mysterytrain	I know youtube-dl, but hwat's the p
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2021-10-10 09:34:52	thurstylark	feature fork
2021-10-10 09:35:24	Mysterytrain	where do I find it
2021-10-10 09:35:35	thurstylark	dude
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2021-10-10 09:35:46	thurstylark	it's the first result on google for the name
2021-10-10 09:35:55	thurstylark	it's on github
2021-10-10 09:35:57	thurstylark	go fish
2021-10-10 09:36:32	Mysterytrain	lol somebody's prickly today
2021-10-10 09:36:40	Mysterytrain	need ya tranqs?
2021-10-10 09:36:53	Synthead	ah this seems to work
2021-10-10 09:36:55	Synthead	yt-dlp --flat-playlist --get-filename https://www.youtube.com/c/PhoneLosersofAmerica
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2021-10-10 09:38:06	thurstylark	--flat-playlist -sJ is what you want
2021-10-10 09:38:13	thurstylark	because json :P
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2021-10-10 09:39:36	thurstylark	I spy full urls in there
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2021-10-10 10:16:09	mrenkey	hi
2021-10-10 10:16:38	NetSysFire	welcome to #archlinux, tell us how the wiki lied to you today
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2021-10-10 10:18:53	mrenkey	why everyone is so silent? :)
2021-10-10 10:19:10	NetSysFire	because no one needs help at the moment and the i in irc stands for idling
2021-10-10 10:19:18	mrenkey	hmm ok
2021-10-10 10:19:25	mrenkey	is there is another channels?
2021-10-10 10:19:44	lambda	there's a bunch, see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_IRC_channels
2021-10-10 10:19:46	phrik	Title: Arch IRC channels - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-10 10:19:55	mrenkey	hmm thx
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2021-10-10 11:42:18	Gagis	might need to run the update geub scripts from ubuntu if it uses a different version
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2021-10-10 13:40:31	Edu4rdSHL	That should fix the problem
2021-10-10 13:41:38	amaurea	Edu4rdSHL: thanks, provides=(cfitsio=4.0.0) workes
2021-10-10 13:43:06	jkhsjdhjs	I have radvd running on a hypervisor. In an arch lxc container I noticed something weird with dhcpcd: it assigns a non-slaac ipv6 address to the interface, despite no ipv6 dhcpd running on the hypervisor. systemd-networkd for example assigns the slaac address. and I'm not quite sure why and how this is happening. is dhcpcd maybe just assigning a random ipv6 from the subnet?
2021-10-10 13:44:10	amaurea	Btw, do people have any recommendations for laptops with good linux compatibility? I've used thinkpads recently, but my epxerience with the intel wireless cars they have has not been good. While they mostly work, it's unreliable, with drop-outs and even long system hangs occasionally. So alternatives would be appreciated
2021-10-10 13:44:25	amaurea	*wireless cards
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2021-10-10 14:04:43	amaurea	bea: it wasn't in the carbon series at least
2021-10-10 14:08:30	amaurea	susi: thanks. do you get noticably different battery lives with the extra gpu enabled vs disabled?
2021-10-10 14:10:02	susi	amaurea: rn I have only igpu
2021-10-10 14:11:04	amaurea	susi: Oh, then I misunderstood. So the gist in your bookmarks was just when you were researching this in general?
2021-10-10 14:12:09	amaurea	anyay, looks like having both integrated graphics and nvidia is still cumbersome, but can be made to work
2021-10-10 14:12:20	susi	yes, I'm just dreaming
2021-10-10 14:14:45	hejux	oh boy 
2021-10-10 14:14:55	hejux	any exciting news on arch?
2021-10-10 14:16:03	Scimmia	Arch is boring, never any exciting news
2021-10-10 14:16:26	Namarrgon	erlang 24.1.2-1 is out, exciting enough?
2021-10-10 14:17:33	hejux	let me check it out 
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2021-10-10 14:39:03	ponies	and it said 'could not resolve dep glfw ' 
2021-10-10 14:39:11	ponies	maybe i need the astericks
2021-10-10 14:39:15	Khorne	Using makepkg?
2021-10-10 14:39:20	ponies	yeah
2021-10-10 14:39:25	ponies	wiht -si
2021-10-10 14:40:11	ponies	oh yeah yeah it works 
2021-10-10 14:40:20	ponies	nice 
2021-10-10 14:43:20	ponies	like im reading the wiki, nobody follows the rules
2021-10-10 14:43:25	Khorne	:D
2021-10-10 14:43:41	ponies	so much so that i think the wiki is wrong
2021-10-10 14:43:51	Khorne	in what regard?
2021-10-10 14:43:55	ponies	you can install into /usr/local
2021-10-10 14:44:23	Khorne	It doesn't say you can't, it says you shouldn't
2021-10-10 14:44:29	ponies	and people often mention their pkgname in provides()
2021-10-10 14:45:04	Khorne	That is definitely people not understanding PKGBUILDs
2021-10-10 14:45:12	ponies	half the PKGBUILDs break this rule 
2021-10-10 14:45:12	thrice	example?
2021-10-10 14:45:38	thrice	usually it's a one-off that is meant to replace an official package or something, so pacman is happy
2021-10-10 14:55:05	Scimmia	*crickets*
2021-10-10 14:56:25	thurstylark	and what's your sample size? the entire AUR?
2021-10-10 14:56:46	thurstylark	because if so, I have news for you...
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2021-10-10 15:13:41	Sir_Andrei	I use NetworkManager, and iwd.
2021-10-10 15:13:53	Namarrgon	and why do you need libnm-iwd for that?
2021-10-10 15:15:03	Sir_Andrei	IIRC, in the moment I installed Arch (1.5 years ago) I saw that libnm-iwd is the implementation of NetworkManager that supports iwd.
2021-10-10 15:15:38	Namarrgon	when you replace official packages then it's up to you to stay on top of things
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2021-10-10 15:44:55	Sir_Andrei	Okay, it worked perfectly. Thx people.
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2021-10-10 16:54:36	hseg	Hi, trying to set up hibernation for my laptop, am considering using swap file. Am I reading the wiki correctly that there is no declarative/automated way of creating one?
2021-10-10 16:54:59	hseg	zram-generator seems to create zram devices only, which are memory-backed, hence not what I need
2021-10-10 16:55:16	hseg	and systemd-swap is deprecated
2021-10-10 16:56:12	hseg	so it seems I need to manually dd;chmod;mkswap;swapon to create the necessary file for hibernation
2021-10-10 16:56:39	thrice	are you limited in hd space?
2021-10-10 16:56:47	hseg	a little atm
2021-10-10 16:57:20	hseg	should've done this at initial install, now I have a bunch of clutter that I'm planning on eventually removing
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2021-10-10 16:58:11	hseg	df -h is showing lots of free space on my / and /var partitions, though
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2021-10-10 17:17:27	mongy	do you still need to work out the offset when working with swapfiles for hibernation?
2021-10-10 17:21:07	thurstylark	the wiki says yes, so unless something major has changed since the suspend and hibernate page has been updated last, I'm gonna say yes
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2021-10-10 19:20:59	mizu	what happened to the mobile version of archwiki? 
2021-10-10 19:21:19	mizu	only shows the desktop version now
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2021-10-10 19:21:55	MacGyver	The arch wiki has a mobile version?
2021-10-10 19:22:37	MacGyver	You may want to inquire in #archlinux-wiki
2021-10-10 19:22:43	mizu	it used to (until recently) 
2021-10-10 19:22:56	BrainDamage	mediawiki iirc has some mobile mode
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2021-10-10 19:26:15	mizu	MacGyver: thanks! i've asked there 
2021-10-10 19:28:57	cyphertite	mizu:  I've never tried to access any aw article from a fone, but are you saying you previously saw two viewing choices, as in Desktop mode or Mobile mode?  OFC, many sites offer that choice, since a huge cohort of their users view their content from their fones 
2021-10-10 19:30:40	susi	mizu: when you get an answer, please reveal it
2021-10-10 19:32:07	NetSysFire	its probably either "blame devops" or "blame mediawiki". we shall see
2021-10-10 19:32:10	mizu	cyphertite: susi: yes there used to be a mobile view which no longer works
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2021-10-10 19:32:28	cyphertite	gotcha, thanks mizu 
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2021-10-10 19:35:45	cyphertite	I just think offering the Archwiki Mobile mode choice is a good idea for struggling installers/broken system folks who only have access to one rig, but almost all of whom also have access to a fone
2021-10-10 19:35:57	NetSysFire	its probably not intended for it to be gone
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2021-10-10 19:37:36	mizuu	cyphertite: i belong to that category :) it's annoying to pinch to zoom now.
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2021-10-10 19:37:56	cyphertite	yep, completely understood ;p
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2021-10-10 19:57:57	cyphertite	mizuu:  do what you like, but after you get back to a working rig, I recommend you install 'plasma-meta', kde-applications-meta' and then install 'kde-connect' on your PC and on your fone.  You'd be amazed at what you can do from there :D
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2021-10-10 20:01:35	susi	>kde application
2021-10-10 20:01:37	susi	no thanks
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2021-10-10 20:08:15	cyphertite	susi:  np, but everyone needs to make their own choices...and then live with them.  I have tried and used every 'popular' DE over the past 30-40 years, and KDE works, by far, the best for me ;D
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2021-10-10 20:09:38	susi	it's just that non-tiling is sub-optimal
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2021-10-10 20:15:08	cyphertite	I know some folks are constrained with antiquated hardware, but imho, with an i7, 16 Gb DRAM, a discrete 4 Gb GPU and a 1 Tb NVMe drive 'sub-optimal' fades to irrelevance, even on a laptop ;p
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2021-10-10 20:18:21	cyphertite	btw:  full-blown KDE runs equally well on my 11-year-old, far less 'speced' laptop :D
2021-10-10 20:19:02	dav1d	I am using KDE with i3, KDE + Tiling ;)
2021-10-10 20:19:40	susi	cyphertite: but how 'spaced' is your desktop? you know, non-tiling leaves redundant gaps..
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2021-10-10 20:21:20	cyphertite	I do not own a desktop, just 3 year-, and 11 year-old laptops
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2021-10-10 20:26:53	lakiluki	Hey, I'm regularly having bluetooth issues on my laptop
2021-10-10 20:27:35	lakiluki	currently, when I pair to and trust my Bluetooth keyboard, when I try to connect from it, I get the following error
2021-10-10 20:27:37	lakiluki	`profiles/input/device.c:encrypt_notify() ioctl_connadd(): Protocol not supported (93)`
2021-10-10 20:27:38	susi	cyphertite: I mean desktop the screen, there only so much pixels to waste
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2021-10-10 20:27:53	lakiluki	sometimes blueooth works just fine, but it's been getting worse lately
2021-10-10 20:27:59	lakiluki	the same setup works on my windows host
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2021-10-10 20:41:11	cyphertite	susi, give me the command you use to 'judge' your alleged abhorrent 'waste of pixels'
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2021-10-10 20:41:11	cyphertite	lakiluki:  have you read ALL of the bluetooth archwiki?
2021-10-10 20:41:11	ℹ 	koishi es conocido ahora como koi
2021-10-10 20:41:11	susi	cyphertite: those pixels 'unoccupied' by a window at any moment
2021-10-10 20:41:11	cyphertite	!give lakiluki aw bluetooth
2021-10-10 20:41:11	phrik	lakiluki: Bluetooth - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bluetooth
2021-10-10 20:41:11	lakiluki	cyphertite: I've only skimmed through it, and read posts on the formums of users having the same issue, where the fix was: "reboot until it works"
2021-10-10 20:41:11	lakiluki	it's weird since that seems to be the case, sometimes it just works
2021-10-10 20:41:11	lakiluki	at other times, nothing works
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2021-10-10 20:41:11	susi	lakiluki: you sure theer's no Windows boot where it happens to work afterwards
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2021-10-10 20:41:11	cyphertite	lakiluki:  alright, but if this is something like connecting BT headphones, you need to carefully read those embedded links in the BT aw 
2021-10-10 20:41:11	lakiluki	pretty sure, because I really rarely boot into Windows
2021-10-10 20:41:11	lakiluki	cyphertite: yeah, I've aware that pulseaudio requires some additional setup
2021-10-10 20:41:11	lakiluki	oh well, I just upgraded my kernel and will try to reboot to see if that fixes it
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2021-10-10 20:41:11	cyphertite	susi:  I still have no idea what you on about re:  wasted pixels.  I've got a 4K touchscreen laptop display and a 1366x768 display.  Both displays perform flawlessly under KDE
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2021-10-10 20:41:11	susi	cyphertite: that's what tiling is for :)
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2021-10-10 20:41:11	lakiluki	yup, seems to work just fine now
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2021-10-10 20:41:11	⚡ 	ayekat is amused by how often the goal posts have been moved around in this pointless discussion so far
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2021-10-10 20:42:19	cyphertite	lakiluki:  not surprised; do you fail to update fully often, and then reboot after you pull in a new kernel?
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2021-10-10 20:43:47	cyphertite	susi:  your 'argument' is unconvincing and largely, baseless, afaict.  No changes, here ;p
2021-10-10 20:44:29	lakiluki	yeah, failed to reboot on the last kernel update, so my versions weren't matching
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2021-10-10 20:44:38	cyphertite	right
2021-10-10 20:44:48	lakiluki	but then again, it stopped working again right now, after a reboot of the keyboard
2021-10-10 20:44:52	lakiluki	and when I tried to reconnect
2021-10-10 20:45:12	lakiluki	seems like no errors in the journal, it just immediatelly disconnects after connecting
2021-10-10 20:46:17	susi	check the arch wiki article, there's how to debug
2021-10-10 20:46:30	susi	by stopping bluetooth.service and restarting the daemon with -d
2021-10-10 20:46:36	susi	or thru btmon
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2021-10-10 20:47:49	lakiluki	susi: tried to stop bluetooth.service and run `/usr/lib/bluetooth/bluetoothd -d`
2021-10-10 20:47:51	lakiluki	same thing
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2021-10-10 20:49:49	lakiluki	and here's the btmon output: `https://0x0.st/-Efd.txt`
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2021-10-10 20:50:39	lakiluki	and new entries in the journal: `https://0x0.st/-Efn.txt`
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2021-10-10 20:54:47	lakiluki	weirdly enough, I can connect to an a2dp device
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2021-10-10 21:19:03	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1374 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1374 normals)
2021-10-10 21:18:54	Polochon_street	it is X indeed :) just surprised that this changed overnight, as I've been using the W / X keys for making </> for years
2021-10-10 21:19:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-10-10 21:19:07	Polochon_street	I'll get tweak my layout then. Thanks!
2021-10-10 21:19:19	ayekat	Polochon_street: have you been using some custom layout or xmodmap at any point? maybe something changed there...
2021-10-10 21:19:56	Polochon_street	nop. Or maybe I did that a long time ago and forgot about it, but I doubt it
2021-10-10 21:20:10	ayekat	Polochon_street: check if you recently updated xkeyboard-config - there's been an update recently, maybe the previous version had it different?
2021-10-10 21:20:52	ayekat	(because I'm not looking at the most recent version to be honest - should -Syu sometime soon...)
2021-10-10 21:20:58	susi	something's changed as someone had exactly the same problem yesterday
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2021-10-10 21:21:00	susi	out of nowhere
2021-10-10 21:21:24	ayekat	`checkupdates` gives me `xkeyboard-config 2.33-2 -> 2.34-1` :-)
2021-10-10 21:21:29	Polochon_street	yeah there was an update of xkeyboard-config two days ago
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2021-10-10 21:23:19	Namarrgon	https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xkeyboard-config/xkeyboard-config/-/issues/286
2021-10-10 21:23:20	phrik	Title: Wrong key mapping for less than/greater than when using latam layout in a 105 kleys keyboard (#286) · Issues · xkbdesc / xkeyboard-config · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2021-10-10 21:23:45	Polochon_street	oh, neat
2021-10-10 21:23:50	Namarrgon	https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xkeyboard-config/xkeyboard-config/-/issues/276
2021-10-10 21:23:53	phrik	Title: LSGT key not defined on latam layout (#276) · Issues · xkbdesc / xkeyboard-config · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2021-10-10 21:24:08	Polochon_street	I'll follow the issue then, hopefully some activity will happen there
2021-10-10 21:24:21	Polochon_street	thanks for the help :)
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2021-10-10 21:24:44	susi	or find a way to fix it for you :-)
2021-10-10 21:25:08	Xesxen	Does someone know if something recently changed in Wayland/GNOME that would impact the right mouse button? Both on my (wireless) mouse and on my touchpad I am no longer able to use the right-mouse button to get the context menu...
2021-10-10 21:25:11	susi	with xcompose/xmodmap or sumthing
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2021-10-10 21:27:48	Namarrgon	Xesxen: which context menu?
2021-10-10 21:28:06	Xesxen	just general right-click anywhere
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2021-10-10 21:28:37	Namarrgon	what about other WMs/DEs or gnome on xorg?
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2021-10-11 17:25:53	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1382 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1382 normals)
2021-10-11 13:19:41	birkoff	anyone succeeded booting ISO via grub and can send me the configuration snippet ? I've tried grml-rescueboot but it was not working
2021-10-11 13:35:01	frojnd	I'm thinking on switching to pipewire: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire but don't find any info what packages should I remove (pulseaudio) after I install pipewire?
2021-10-11 13:35:02	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-11 13:36:11	aminvakil	frojnd: it replaces pulseaudio itself
2021-10-11 13:36:35	mpan	birkoff: https://0x0.st/-EJa.txt
2021-10-11 13:36:36	frojnd	I see pipewire is already installed hm
2021-10-11 13:36:46	mpan	birkoff: a bunch of ISOs, but that works on my rescue USB stick.
2021-10-11 13:36:52	frojnd	So I guess I just set it aminvakil 
2021-10-11 13:37:04	mpan	birkoff: the imgdevpath is USB’s path.
2021-10-11 13:39:27	mrenkey	hi everyone
2021-10-11 13:39:29	mrenkey	Is there is RISC-V port for Arch Linux?
2021-10-11 13:41:16	MacGyver	No.
2021-10-11 13:41:18	Foxboron	mrenkey: there is some WIP
2021-10-11 13:41:32	Foxboron	mrenkey: https://archriscv.felixc.at/
2021-10-11 13:41:36	mrenkey	Hmm ok
2021-10-11 13:42:20	Foxboron	mrenkey: https://github.com/felixonmars/archriscv-packages source repo I believe
2021-10-11 13:42:31	MacGyver	Foxboron: Is that still alive?
2021-10-11 13:42:35	Foxboron	MacGyver: yes?
2021-10-11 13:42:50	Foxboron	Not exactly moving fast. But slow and steady progress afaik
2021-10-11 13:42:53	mrenkey	Why arch is so good lol
2021-10-11 13:43:00	bea	!as
2021-10-11 13:43:01	phrik	Arch Sucks™
2021-10-11 13:43:06	mrenkey	noo
2021-10-11 13:43:14	alad	What's so good about it
2021-10-11 13:43:21	MacGyver	I remember checking this half a year ago and there wasn't any activity since 2019ish.
2021-10-11 13:43:44	Foxboron	MacGyver: felix picks it up whenever he is motivated I guess
2021-10-11 13:43:46	Foxboron	he does a lot you know
2021-10-11 13:43:56	mrenkey	Bcs no one needs help when there is wiki and the system is really stable
2021-10-11 13:44:03	mrenkey	And google fu yk
2021-10-11 13:44:03	Foxboron	but afaik more people are working on it now. There is a research department or something contributing now
2021-10-11 13:44:14	mrenkey	nice
2021-10-11 13:44:17	MacGyver	Foxboron: Sure I'm not saying it should be more active, just that it looked dead at the time.
2021-10-11 13:44:30	MacGyver	Which is fair, I mean, you dev what you want to dev.
2021-10-11 13:44:55	mrenkey	imagine fully open source pc without any intel me and amd psp on risc-v
2021-10-11 13:45:07	Foxboron	Never going to happen
2021-10-11 13:45:10	mrenkey	also open source bios/uefi
2021-10-11 13:45:18	alad	"fully"
2021-10-11 13:45:23	mitch0	Foxboron: never say never
2021-10-11 13:45:30	MacGyver	Foxboron: Or maybe I was only looking at https://github.com/archlinux-riscv which is a different project.
2021-10-11 13:45:34	Foxboron	MacGyver: allow me to say it. Never.
2021-10-11 13:45:35	mrenkey	Foxboron: there is IBM 2019 pc with risc-v
2021-10-11 13:45:38	Foxboron	mrenkey: yep
2021-10-11 13:45:40	heythere221	Does GNOMES NetworkManager broadcast or share my local username im logged in with in any form or shape whatsoever to anywhere while connecting to a router or after an established connection with a router? Or is it just my hostname and mac address thats being exposed?
2021-10-11 13:45:41	alad	Is your manufacturing process for silicon going to be "open source"
2021-10-11 13:45:41	Foxboron	err, MacGyver*
2021-10-11 13:45:48	alad	So many hidden factors involved
2021-10-11 13:45:54	Foxboron	mrenkey: doesn't matter. Let me find a talk
2021-10-11 13:46:06	mrenkey	risc-v is open arch
2021-10-11 13:46:22	Foxboron	https://media.ccc.de/v/36c3-10690-open_source_is_insufficient_to_solve_trust_problems_in_hardware
2021-10-11 13:46:23	phrik	Title: media.ccc.de - Open Source is Insufficient to Solve Trust Problems in Hardware (at media.ccc.de)
2021-10-11 13:46:52	MacGyver	mrenkey: The problem with an open architecture is comparable to the problem of running open source as a service.
2021-10-11 13:46:55	Foxboron	It's one issue pointing out the flaws. You are argueing with a shallow understanding of the issues :p
2021-10-11 13:47:08	Foxboron	it's one talk poitning out the flaws*
2021-10-11 13:47:09	MacGyver	mrenkey: Sure, you can read the code, but you have absolutely NO guarantee that that is the exact same code running on the servers.
2021-10-11 13:47:32	Foxboron	MacGyver: but it's apache licensed >:c
2021-10-11 13:47:37	mrenkey	you can run this code 
2021-10-11 13:47:38	MacGyver	mrenkey: Same goes for open architectures, though I guess you have the advantage of electron scanning microscopes.
2021-10-11 13:47:54	Foxboron	MacGyver: did you see the talk above?
2021-10-11 13:48:11	MacGyver	Foxboron: I have not, it looks interesting.
2021-10-11 13:48:19	Foxboron	I don't recall if you attended 36c3
2021-10-11 13:48:31	Foxboron	imo one of the better talks that year
2021-10-11 13:48:57	MacGyver	I didn't, 35 was my last one; plan was to then attend 37.
2021-10-11 13:48:58	alad	I saw that one :OOOOO
2021-10-11 13:49:07	Foxboron	MacGyver: RIP
2021-10-11 13:49:10	Foxboron	alad: :O
2021-10-11 13:49:35	Foxboron	heythere221: Uh, hostname and MAC should be announced. Why?
2021-10-11 13:49:44	Foxboron	or not even the hostname unless you are doing mDNS stuff.. right?
2021-10-11 13:50:03	MacGyver	heythere221: I'm pretty sure it doesn't broadcast your local username for the connection setup, but maybe there's something in avahi that does discovery with username.
2021-10-11 13:50:17	MacGyver	I don't know all those protocols by heart.
2021-10-11 13:50:38	MacGyver	Foxboron: DHCP can optionally, and often does, send the hostname to the DHCP server.
2021-10-11 13:50:56	heythere221	Thank you fit yoyr answers. Where can I read about it and reassure myself that it is indeed like you're saying? In what man page is this information expected to be found?
2021-10-11 13:51:37	MacGyver	heythere221: A) If your local username is security-sensitive, you've already lost. What's your real issue?; also B) just fire up wireshark and grep the packets for your username.
2021-10-11 13:54:13	LiaoTao	MacGyver, Compromising any part of your internal configuration isn't very good for plausible deniability
2021-10-11 13:54:21	heythere221	My real issue is the need of anonimity on the connected network and my username already compromises it if broadcasted in any form. You're right its stupid to set a security-sensitive username...
2021-10-11 13:54:22	LiaoTao	At the very least it aids in fingerprinting
2021-10-11 13:54:50	MacGyver	LiaoTao: I'll happily get into a discussion of how plausible deniability as understood by many tech people usually isn't, but I have a meeting in five minutes so that'll have to wait.
2021-10-11 13:54:53	heythere221	Does usermod -l change my username everywhere? or do I have to reinstall arch to be sure?
2021-10-11 13:55:28	MacGyver	heythere221: I'd be much more worried about what your connection establishment itself leaks.
2021-10-11 13:55:44	LiaoTao	MacGyver, Okay but I'd rather not get fingerprinted than get fingerprinted. Maybe you assumed too much about the purpose of the question?
2021-10-11 13:56:29	MacGyver	LiaoTao: No, I assumed precisely the right amount -- their username probably isn't leaking, but all the other stuff is.
2021-10-11 13:56:57	birkoff	mpan: did you write it or was it generated ?
2021-10-11 13:57:18	MacGyver	heythere221: The only way I really see your username leaking to the connected network is if it actively attacks you; but your MAC address is probably stable and your DHCP client is probably sending along your hostname. Look into those first.
2021-10-11 13:58:00	birkoff	the livecds I try to load always complain about not not finding root device/ no root= parameter 
2021-10-11 13:58:40	heythere221	I'm not in any danger in case my real identity would be exposed. If so I'd use tails or similar diatros. I just don't want the network admin to know my "real name"...
2021-10-11 13:59:29	heythere221	Thanks for your suggestions.
2021-10-11 14:00:20	MacGyver	heythere221: Then open wireshark, capture ten minutes, grep all the packets for your username.
2021-10-11 14:00:36	heythere221	Thank you!
2021-10-11 14:01:01	aminvakil	heythere221: you can randomize your mac address every time you connect to the network too
2021-10-11 14:01:18	aminvakil	and you can configure your dhcp client not to send your hostname
2021-10-11 14:01:44	heythere221	aminvakil: Yes I'm aware of that. Already set that up. Thanks!
2021-10-11 14:02:28	aminvakil	well maybe you know how can this be automated using networkmanager before each connection? :)
2021-10-11 14:08:23	Bayes	!paste
2021-10-11 14:08:23	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-10-11 14:09:10	Bayes	oh shoot, I updated the kernel and bluetooth doesn't work anymore https://bpa.st/RLVA :/ 
2021-10-11 14:09:12	phrik	Title: View paste RLVA (at bpa.st)
2021-10-11 14:09:36	Namarrgon	did you reboot after the update?
2021-10-11 14:09:46	Bayes	I just did, yep
2021-10-11 14:09:53	Namarrgon	from which version did you update?
2021-10-11 14:10:29	Bayes	I don't remember really, I hadn't updated for like a month or 45 days
2021-10-11 14:10:40	Namarrgon	look at the pacman log
2021-10-11 14:10:57	mpan	birkoff: I wrote it hand.
2021-10-11 14:11:18	heythere221	aminvakil: I don't know yet I'm reading about NetworkManagers possibilities right now ;)
2021-10-11 14:12:26	aminvakil	heythere221: i've tried https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NetworkManager#Configuring_MAC_address_randomization , but it doesn't work
2021-10-11 14:12:27	phrik	Title: NetworkManager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-11 14:13:27	Bayes	Namarrgon TIL pacman has logs, linux (5.14.9.arch2-1 -> 5.14.10.arch1-1) linux-headers (5.14.9.arch2-1 -> 5.14.10.arch1-1)
2021-10-11 14:13:41	heythere221	aminvakil: That worked for me tho but Im reading on the man page not in the wiki. Are you trying to set it up for yourself now?:D
2021-10-11 14:14:36	eephyne	hello
2021-10-11 14:14:56	eephyne	I've got an annoying little issue concerning the suspend/resume
2021-10-11 14:15:23	aminvakil	heythere221: i messed with our office network (not on purpose) a few weeks ago, and i've tried to randomize mac address then to prevent our network guys trying to trace me :) it didn't work, i'm changing my mac address once in a while from then manually
2021-10-11 14:16:02	eephyne	it seem that it suspend before gdm have the time to lock so it lock it after resume (meaning that when I resume, it show first the last screen before suspend, then black out, then I need to type a key to show password prompt)
2021-10-11 14:20:10	aminvakil	heythere221: oh, it got fixed, i've put a random mac address using network manager gui, so it always remains the same, once i cleared it, it works fine now, thanks!
2021-10-11 14:32:18	heythere221	aminvakil: Glad it worked:)
2021-10-11 14:41:18	LuchoCR[m]	Hello. With Bird, i can peer with Google??? https://www.peeringdb.com/net/433
2021-10-11 14:47:02	ayekat	LuchoCR[m]: please provide some more context - not gonna click on random links
2021-10-11 14:48:52	ayekat	ok wait, the link is fine - but how is this related to arch...?
2021-10-11 14:51:55	LuchoCR[m]	Yes. With arch Linux, I can install bird, and peer with Google??? 
2021-10-11 14:52:27	obby	i think that is the type of question that if you dont already know the answer youre potentially not ready to know
2021-10-11 14:52:30	ayekat	LuchoCR[m]: what's bird?
2021-10-11 14:53:22	LuchoCR[m]	An bgp router. 
2021-10-11 14:53:37	MacGyver	LuchoCR[m]: Ask #networking
2021-10-11 14:53:55	The-Compiler	LuchoCR[m]: I mean, if you fulfill the requirements at https://peering.google.com/#/options/peering - I guess?
2021-10-11 14:53:56	phrik	Title: Google Edge Network (at peering.google.com)
2021-10-11 14:53:59	LuchoCR[m]	To peer with Google. 
2021-10-11 14:54:06	LuchoCR[m]	So, with bird, I can peer with Google??? 
2021-10-11 14:54:16	obby	kek
2021-10-11 14:55:11	frojnd	Any ideas how can I replace /home/frojnd inside user unit file to smth like $HOME ?
2021-10-11 14:55:25	frojnd	I tried, but it failed
2021-10-11 14:55:45	ayekat	frojnd: see systemd.unit(5), section SPECIFIERS
2021-10-11 14:55:52	frojnd	Thank you!
2021-10-11 14:56:45	LuchoCR[m]	I are in #networking. 
2021-10-11 14:58:18	frojnd	Couldn't find anything related to `/home/username` but I guess `/home/"%h"` will do it just fine
2021-10-11 14:58:34	MacGyver	frojnd: Uh, what?
2021-10-11 14:58:41	ayekat	frojnd: %h
2021-10-11 14:58:51	ayekat	no need for the /home there
2021-10-11 14:58:59	MacGyver	frojnd: That'll expand to /home/home/user
2021-10-11 14:59:02	frojnd	Yeah on second read I figured
2021-10-11 14:59:06	ayekat	you don't do /home/$HOME either, do you? ;-)
2021-10-11 15:04:06	SysGhost	/home/../$HOME
2021-10-11 15:04:12	SysGhost	you're welcome ^*^
2021-10-11 15:04:27	NetSysFire	might have the leading / though
2021-10-11 15:05:04	⚡ 	ayekat makes /home a symlink to somewhere else, just for fun
2021-10-11 15:07:10	SysGhost	ln -s /run/user/1000 /home
2021-10-11 15:07:27	SysGhost	oh
2021-10-11 15:07:31	SysGhost	ln -s /run/user/$UID /home
2021-10-11 15:07:38	LuchoCR[m]	Hello, AUR have openresty??? 
2021-10-11 15:07:58	SysGhost	LuchoCR[m]: yes?
2021-10-11 15:08:32	LuchoCR[m]	SysGhost yes. And caprice32?? 
2021-10-11 15:08:53	LuchoCR[m]	s/??/???/
2021-10-11 15:08:56	The-Compiler	LuchoCR[m]: https://aur.archlinux.org/ has a search field
2021-10-11 15:08:57	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - Home (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-10-11 15:09:16	SysGhost	s/???/???!?11one+++plusplusdoubleplus?
2021-10-11 15:10:35	LuchoCR[m]	The-Compiler Caprice32 have in AUR??? 
2021-10-11 15:11:03	The-Compiler	LuchoCR[m]: have you tried entering caprice32 into the search field there?
2021-10-11 15:11:27	LuchoCR[m]	The-Compiler no, search you. 
2021-10-11 15:11:33	The-Compiler	what
2021-10-11 15:11:48	The-Compiler	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2021-10-11 15:11:52	BrainDamage	why typing one word when you can troll a whole channel with 5 times the amount
2021-10-11 15:12:30	Hello71	BrainDamage: what do you mean???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
2021-10-11 15:12:31	LuchoCR[m]	Caprice32 is available in AUR??? 
2021-10-11 15:12:42	The-Compiler	LuchoCR[m]: ask the AUR maybe
2021-10-11 15:12:48	MacGyver	Okay I think this is beyond all reasonable doubt.
2021-10-11 15:13:07	rcf	kevr: did you break the AUR again its search seems not to work for some reason 
2021-10-11 15:13:09	LuchoCR[m]	AUR channel is not available. 
2021-10-11 15:13:19	The-Compiler	...
2021-10-11 15:13:35	aminvakil	LuchoCR[m]: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0&K=caprice32
2021-10-11 15:13:36	⚡ 	Foxboron quietly backs out of all channels
2021-10-11 15:13:36	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - Search Criteria: caprice32 (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-10-11 15:14:07	NetSysFire	Foxboron: what do you mean?????????????
2021-10-11 15:14:09	aminvakil	rcf: it works for me?
2021-10-11 15:15:34	rcf	aminvakil: I kid, obviously. Seeing as how certain questions here seem to imply it's either broken, or that we are being trolled. 
2021-10-11 15:15:49	SysGhost	everything is borky
2021-10-11 15:16:00	SysGhost	(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
2021-10-11 15:16:06	MacGyver	rcf: Like I said, I think this is beyond all reasonable doubt.
2021-10-11 15:16:17	aminvakil	rcf: ah, i didn't realize you were joking :)
2021-10-11 15:16:36	rcf	That does seem to be the case. 
2021-10-11 15:16:38	bea	?????????????????????
2021-10-11 15:16:52	NetSysFire	bea: ??????
2021-10-11 15:17:04	bea	i just wanted to join in on the question marks
2021-10-11 15:17:14	SysGhost	To answer the question: https://lmgtfy.app/?q=arch+aur+caprice32+
2021-10-11 15:17:15	phrik	Title: LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You (at lmgtfy.app)
2021-10-11 15:19:06	SysGhost	We should make a variant on brainfuck, but with "?" and "!"
2021-10-11 15:20:16	SysGhost	! = incement and ? = decrement
2021-10-11 15:20:17	phrik	SysGhost: BLEEP BLOOP
2021-10-11 15:20:25	SysGhost	yes phrik. You too!
2021-10-11 15:20:31	LiaoTao	Why ?! when you can have |, I, and l
2021-10-11 15:21:01	Hello71	or spaces and tabs! why, that would be truly confusing. one can only imagine
2021-10-11 15:21:17	Hello71	you might call it "whitespace"
2021-10-11 15:21:39	LiaoTao	Ah, that's interesting
2021-10-11 15:27:44	⚡ 	SysGhost tries to imagine the debugging of that: Search for 3 white spaces, and find there's four tabs instead. Dang! wrong pointer. Have the editor to replace all tabs with equivalent number of spaces. Forget this and save the file.
2021-10-11 15:29:23	MacGyver	SysGhost: Then commit in a git repository that has a tabs/spaces cleanup hook.
2021-10-11 15:29:27	SysGhost	That's the evilest thing I can imagine.
2021-10-11 15:39:31	avapxia	hello good people of #archlinux. I have what I think are permission issues with libvirt, i can no longer use virt-manager with my user. It worked for more than a year. launching virt-manager as root seem to work. I made no change to any conf files, and my computer is set up according to the wiki. libvirt was updated yesterday (but iirc it started misbehaving the day before). any clues / pointer
2021-10-11 15:39:31	avapxia	? thanks :)
2021-10-11 15:42:30	Hello71	MacGyver: "it works on my computer, issue closed"
2021-10-11 15:44:16	arjab	Nice username avapxia, is your system up-to-date and have you rebooted?
2021-10-11 15:45:22	arjab	Also is your user in the KVM and/or libvirt group?
2021-10-11 15:46:07	avapxia	arjab: thanks, and yes everywhere, except for the kvm group. i'll try joining that
2021-10-11 15:47:17	avapxia	arjab: joining the kvm group did not seems to change anything (after logging out/in)
2021-10-11 15:49:22	Tom^	avapxia: is your user in the unix_sock_group in /etc/libvirt/libvirtd.conf ?
2021-10-11 15:51:29	avapxia	Tom^: no, since i did not touch the file, so it is root (by default). But the conf file say that the setting is not honored if using systemd socket (i am). I'll try nonetheless to change the line to unix_sock_group = "libvirt"
2021-10-11 15:51:59	Tom^	ah hm
2021-10-11 15:53:08	avapxia	Tom^: after restarting the socket (and using the service directly), no change. the error I get in systemd status is : error from service: GDBus.Error:org.gtk.GDBus.UnmappedGError.Quark._g_2dfile_2derror_2dquark.Code4: Failed to open file “/proc/4479/status”: No such file or directory
2021-10-11 15:55:56	nepexoga	hrm somethings squirreled in gdbus land. thats why i never did the libvirt stupphz https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt-dbus/+bug/1892757
2021-10-11 15:55:58	Namarrgon	Bayes: there don't seem to be any bt related commits in .10
2021-10-11 15:55:58	phrik	Title: Bug #1892757 “System libvirt-dbus broken after changing libvirtd...” : Bugs : libvirt-dbus package : Ubuntu (at bugs.launchpad.net)
2021-10-11 15:56:54	⚡ 	nepexoga would do a full uninstall / reinstall of libvirt for starters
2021-10-11 15:57:48	avapxia	nepexoga: i'll try that, i have to go now. I'll come back later for updates. Thanks everyone
2021-10-11 15:58:29	nepexoga	avapxia: good luck. thats probably a real bug from the looks of it
2021-10-11 16:02:05	Cork	anyone know how to disable highresolution scrollwheel libinput?
2021-10-11 16:20:14	Tom^	Cork: eh what? i dont think that is even merged yet
2021-10-11 16:20:48	Tom^	oh so it is, 1.19 apparently 
2021-10-11 16:20:55	Tom^	woop de do
2021-10-11 16:29:16	Cork	Tom^: just moving the mouse scrolls terminals now days (wiggles about a row) and it is getting extreamly annoying
2021-10-11 16:29:55	Cork	not to forget if you hold ctrl down and the font size changes all the time
2021-10-11 16:30:20	Tom^	is your mousewheel uh janky? :p
2021-10-11 16:30:34	Cork	well it is a step scroll wheel
2021-10-11 16:30:49	Cork	so the metal wheel bounces between the stops
2021-10-11 16:31:11	Cork	with highress scroll events that is 1-3 lines scrolling now 
2021-10-11 16:32:01	Tom^	oh indeed it is
2021-10-11 16:32:04	Tom^	hrm
2021-10-11 16:33:12	Tom^	Cork: seems a local-overrides.quirk it is , https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/puiysn/libinput_119_and_high_resolution_scrolling/ check the comments
2021-10-11 16:33:51	Cork	Tom^: damn nice find, didn't find anything when i was looking
2021-10-11 16:34:10	Cork	heh and exactly the mouse in question too XD
2021-10-11 17:24:18	mika2dxx	 Hi, I installed yesterday the new stable linux kernel and now my wireless adapter stopped working, I installed it from a kernel module in AUR, but it seems as it's not compatible anymore
2021-10-11 17:24:26	mika2dxx	There's a way to downgrade the kernel?
2021-10-11 17:25:08	thrice	first, try just rebuilding the module
2021-10-11 17:25:39	mika2dxx	Yeah I did, it didn't work either
2021-10-11 17:25:51	mika2dxx	:/
2021-10-11 17:25:53	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-11 17:26:47	thrice	you just had a minor kernel bump (5.14.x to 5.14.y) ?  It's pretty rare that this would cause an issue
2021-10-11 17:27:00	thrice	!give mika2dxx ala
2021-10-11 17:27:00	phrik	mika2dxx: Let's flip through it to hunt our lovely bugs: <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_Archive>. The Arch Linux Archive itself can be browsed at <https://archive.archlinux.org/>.
2021-10-11 17:27:11	thrice	but, you can grab old packages from there if you want to test
2021-10-11 17:28:12	mika2dxx	Idk really, I installed Arch 2 days ago and it was the linux kernel installed default I think (? 
2021-10-11 17:28:21	mika2dxx	I will try
2021-10-11 17:28:22	mika2dxx	thx
2021-10-11 17:28:36	thrice	you can browse /var/log/pacman.log   to see what happened
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2021-10-11 17:30:21	Scimmia	I would guess it didn't actually get built/installed for the new kernel
2021-10-11 17:30:28	thrice	same
2021-10-11 17:30:43	Scimmia	is the module present? can you modprobe it?
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2021-10-11 17:31:08	mika2dxx	Sorry, but how can I do it? :0
2021-10-11 17:31:19	Scimmia	modprobe <module>
2021-10-11 17:31:23	mika2dxx	Ok ok
2021-10-11 17:32:15	thrice	when rebuilding for the new kernel, make sure it actually builds (ie, makepkg just doesn't say "There is already a package here, skipping!" or so), and that you actually install it after it got built
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2021-10-11 17:34:49	LordRishav	I recommend linus-lts if you are not using some very new hardware
2021-10-11 17:34:57	LordRishav	Solved all my kernel problems
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2021-10-11 17:36:33	Gagis	-dkms versions of modules also tend to save a lot of effort
2021-10-11 17:36:47	Gagis	dunno why thats not the default for everything all the time. some performance overhead?
2021-10-11 17:36:57	Scimmia	as long as you watch to make sure it's successful
2021-10-11 17:37:15	mika2dxx	Yep, it seems it's not into the new kernel
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2021-10-11 17:38:20	Scimmia	so yeah, didn't get it built/installed correctly. Try again, and pay attention to what it tells you
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2021-10-11 17:48:52	Junx	quick question, im trying to remove the clickable area for right mouse button on the trackpad. the xinput command works fine but is reset when i reboot, how can i make it persistent?
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2021-10-11 17:49:13	Junx	using bspwm btw
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2021-10-11 17:52:21	Scimmia	you add it to xorg.conf.d
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2021-10-11 17:55:22	mika2dxx	Yeah I solved it, thx Scimmia uwuwuwu
2021-10-11 17:55:35	Scimmia	np
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2021-10-11 18:00:23	Junx	Scimmia: thanks, looks like i've got some reading to do then
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2021-10-11 18:02:47	cyphertite	LordRishav:  I disagree - I run 4 different Arch kernels (with DKMS, and all from Testing) on my 11 year old laptop without issue ;D
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2021-10-11 18:08:14	LordRishav	Maybe it's just me then, because it does cause some performance issues on my machine
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2021-10-11 18:17:53	cyphertite	LordRishav:  what is the 'it' behind 'because *it* does cause some performance issues' - linux?  No idea how you've set things up on your end 
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2021-10-11 18:24:45	LordRishav	cyphertite: I don't know really what's the *it* here, all I know is that the performance issues were gone after I switched to the LTS version of Linux
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2021-10-11 18:29:29	bionade24	Hi, what's the best HDD I/O scheduler for continious writes?
2021-10-11 18:29:58	ishitatsuyuki	you don't need a scheduler for sequential writes
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2021-10-11 18:30:45	ishitatsuyuki	but practically speaking long running operations does get interrupted by other small IO requests
2021-10-11 18:31:06	ishitatsuyuki	so just use a scheduler that is good in general for throughput
2021-10-11 18:31:18	Junx	Scimmia: that worked like a charm, thanks a lot!
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2021-10-11 18:43:33	susi	Junx: I recommend Option "ClickMethod" "clickfinger"
2021-10-11 18:43:42	icy_hot	morning guys
2021-10-11 18:43:53	susi	then there's no right-clicking area, but two-finger tap is a right click
2021-10-11 18:44:36	icy_hot	im at 26608/48929 in compiling ungoogled-chromium
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2021-10-11 18:45:29	susi	actually, I recommend (for libinput toucpad): "Tapping" "on", "DisableWhileTyping" "on", and "ClickMethod" "clickfinger"
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2021-10-11 18:46:53	ishitatsuyuki	icy_hot: just use chaotic-aur man
2021-10-11 18:47:02	ishitatsuyuki	you're wasting electricity
2021-10-11 18:47:11	Edu4rdSHL	just use chromium from repos man :p
2021-10-11 18:47:23	ishitatsuyuki	ungoogled does make a difference
2021-10-11 18:48:04	Edu4rdSHL	Well, now that chromium doesn't have sync support both are almost the same, useless
2021-10-11 18:48:56	ishitatsuyuki	what do you sync though
2021-10-11 18:49:12	ishitatsuyuki	you shouldn't be feeding Google with your browsing history anyway
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2021-10-11 18:51:02	Tom^	ishitatsuyuki: well i have 3 laptops, one work computer. its kind of nice having history and bookmarks and addons etc syncing.
2021-10-11 18:51:13	icy_hot	ishitatsuyuki: i slept on it lmao
2021-10-11 18:51:14	Tom^	if google wants my browsing history for that feature? il gladly pay it.
2021-10-11 18:51:59	icy_hot	Tom even firefox has that feature
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2021-10-11 18:52:17	Edu4rdSHL	The problem is that firefox is a meme browser these days
2021-10-11 18:52:22	ishitatsuyuki	it isn't
2021-10-11 18:52:27	ishitatsuyuki	it works great on Linux
2021-10-11 18:52:32	ishitatsuyuki	but the sync is clunky af
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2021-10-11 18:53:09	ishitatsuyuki	the other devices I own runs iOS with Safari so I don't really have a good-UX sync solution rn
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2021-10-11 18:55:27	jiriks74	I, I'd like to boot and older pc via network
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2021-10-11 18:55:34	jiriks74	I have pixiecore working
2021-10-11 18:55:53	jiriks74	And I booted initframs
2021-10-11 18:56:20	jiriks74	But I don't know how to pass the root filesystem from the iso to the pc
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2021-10-11 18:56:27	jiriks74	It just cannot find it
2021-10-11 18:57:45	rcf	What is your kernel command line 
2021-10-11 18:57:54	jiriks74	Now? None 
2021-10-11 18:58:08	jiriks74	I can do --cmdline but I don't know what to put there
2021-10-11 18:58:29	jiriks74	I'm still learning this "advanced" stuff
2021-10-11 18:59:08	jiriks74	I've only one time edited kernel param in grub to force fsck on my /home partition
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2021-10-11 19:00:28	jiriks74	@rcf I pass the kernel and initframs like this 
2021-10-11 19:00:37	jiriks74	`sudo pixiecore kernel initframs`
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2021-10-11 19:01:04	susi	Firefox is The Browser these days
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2021-10-11 19:01:22	pedrogm	Librewolf*
2021-10-11 19:01:23	susi	I have two Chromebooks so I know what's Chrome's all about too, and Firefox is simply better
2021-10-11 19:01:39	pedrogm	Now Firefox enabled data collection 
2021-10-11 19:01:48	pedrogm	iirc
2021-10-11 19:01:53	susi	luckily we have https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js
2021-10-11 19:02:13	icy_hot	people used to make firefox because there was a time that it gets filled easily with poopups
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2021-10-11 19:02:22	icy_hot	or browser extensions
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2021-10-11 19:03:10	jiriks74	Does someone know how to send the rootfs over pxe?
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2021-10-11 19:03:29	Hello71	jiriks74: it's called initramfs
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2021-10-11 19:04:07	jiriks74	Oh, sorry
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2021-10-11 19:04:27	jiriks74	Do you know how am I supposed to load the rootfs though?
2021-10-11 19:04:36	Hello71	that is the initramfs
2021-10-11 19:04:47	Hello71	init ram fs
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2021-10-11 19:05:02	Hello71	you can put whatever files you want in init ram fs
2021-10-11 19:05:30	Hello71	but often people don't want to download all their files at once on boot, so they mount the rest of their files over nfs or cifs
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2021-10-11 19:06:41	jiriks74	@Hello71 But I have that loaded
2021-10-11 19:06:44	jiriks74	The problem is
2021-10-11 19:06:54	jiriks74	That I need to load the rootfs of the installation media
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2021-10-11 19:07:24	jiriks74	I just get the fallback shell that screams at me that it cannot find new_root
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2021-10-11 19:07:33	rcf	Isn't pixiecore supposed to sort that bit out or do I underestimate how it's supposed to actually make pxe any easier 
2021-10-11 19:07:37	Hello71	did you read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Preboot_Execution_Environment
2021-10-11 19:07:38	phrik	Title: Preboot Execution Environment - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-11 19:07:57	jiriks74	I read it, thank
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2021-10-11 19:08:00	jiriks74	thanks*
2021-10-11 19:08:15	jiriks74	I wouldn't be here, if I'd understand it or would be able to do it
2021-10-11 19:08:45	Hello71	if you have excess bandwidth then https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Netboot will be easier
2021-10-11 19:08:47	phrik	Title: Netboot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-11 19:09:08	jiriks74	I use pixiecore, as I don't have admin access to the router, so I'm unable to add the DNS params for the file server and the file names
2021-10-11 19:09:09	Hello71	hm, the other article already links this
2021-10-11 19:09:32	rcf	jiriks74: I would suggest that you don't have pixiecore working, in fact. 
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2021-10-11 19:10:10	rcf	jiriks74: if it worked, it would serve the files, and give you the right configuration in the boot menu to access them. i.e. you literally can't be here if it is working. 
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2021-10-11 19:10:20	jiriks74	I, in fact, do. I can do `quick debian stable` and it boots, I can boot to first userspace (initramfs) - or how it's called.
2021-10-11 19:10:30	jiriks74	I can boot the pxe installer that arch provides 
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2021-10-11 19:10:38	jiriks74	But I need to boot an iso
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2021-10-11 19:11:10	jiriks74	@rcf It serves one by one, from what I understand it cannot server a directory
2021-10-11 19:11:16	jiriks74	serve*
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2021-10-11 19:13:06	jiriks74	I tried that and all I get is:
2021-10-11 19:13:07	jiriks74	```
2021-10-11 19:13:48	jiriks74	https://pastebin.com/rv59E56a
2021-10-11 19:13:49	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-EtZ.txt
2021-10-11 19:13:49	phrik	Title: [DHCP] Offering to boot 00:25:64:c3:a2:cd[TFTP] Send of "00:25:64:c3:a2:cd/0" - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-10-11 19:14:23	jiriks74	@rcf
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2021-10-11 19:17:08	rcf	jiriks74: is this a BIOS or UEFI system you are trying to netboot 
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2021-10-11 19:18:36	jiriks74	BIOS
2021-10-11 19:18:38	jiriks74	@rcf
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2021-10-11 19:21:28	rcf	Can you post the pixiecore log from this particular boot (i.e. the one where you at least got into the initramfs)? And also the pxelinux.cfg that it's attempting to send? 
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2021-10-11 19:22:50	jiriks74	@rcf If I do this: `sudo pixiecore boot arch/boot/x86_64/vmlinuz-linux arch/boot/x86_64/initramfs-linux.img`
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2021-10-11 19:23:05	jiriks74	It loads to initramfs
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2021-10-11 19:23:19	jiriks74	And it won't load rootfs
2021-10-11 19:23:23	jiriks74	If I do ./
2021-10-11 19:23:48	jiriks74	It does as I posted in the pastebin here: https://pastebin.com/rv59E56a
2021-10-11 19:23:49	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-EtZ.txt
2021-10-11 19:23:49	phrik	Title: [DHCP] Offering to boot 00:25:64:c3:a2:cd[TFTP] Send of "00:25:64:c3:a2:cd/0" - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2021-10-11 19:24:07	jiriks74	So that would be this `sudo pixiecore boot ./`
2021-10-11 19:24:11	jiriks74	@rcf
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2021-10-11 19:25:46	jcbjoe2021	I know this is going to be biased but is pacman superior then apt?
2021-10-11 19:26:43	jiriks74	Well, apt has neat syntax, at least I like that more. And it has like autoremove, purge that if I want to do, I need to look it up for pacman
2021-10-11 19:26:59	jiriks74	But, for me, pacman was more reliable
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2021-10-11 19:31:40	jiriks74	The only problem was when it wanted to overwrite some files and it complained about it and I needet to back them up and delete them...
2021-10-11 19:31:40	jcbjoe2021	Hmm
2021-10-11 19:31:40	jcbjoe2021	Pacman seems like it has more flags to work with then apt
2021-10-11 19:31:40	jiriks74	But I don't recall having trouble resolving dependecies with pacman
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2021-10-11 19:31:40	jiriks74	Yeah, it probably has, but I don't use most of them
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2021-10-11 19:31:40	jiriks74	@rcf you have any ideas?
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2021-10-11 19:32:04	susi	jiriks74: what kind of reliability-issues you had with apt?
2021-10-11 19:32:36	rcf	jiriks74: doing it that way (rather than quick arch) you need to set up a webserver, or NFS, or NBD to host the rootfs 
2021-10-11 19:32:59	jiriks74	@susi for example it did things like: package neeeds y to be installed, but y won't be installed
2021-10-11 19:33:09	jiriks74	And then I had to do install x y
2021-10-11 19:33:20	jiriks74	And then it figured out that it needs z
2021-10-11 19:33:24	jiriks74	But guess what
2021-10-11 19:33:28	jiriks74	It won't be installed
2021-10-11 19:33:40	jiriks74	And I had to do this for like 15 minutes to install something
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2021-10-11 19:34:29	jiriks74	@rcf I need the iso, not quick arch
2021-10-11 19:34:34	jiriks74	How do I do that?
2021-10-11 19:34:43	jiriks74	When I don't have access to the router...
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2021-10-11 19:45:28	rcf	jiriks74: in this particular case, you cheat. Set up a fake local mirror with darkhttpd or the like, and pass it with --mirror http://your_machine_here/
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2021-10-11 19:45:49	rcf	Using pixiecore quick arch --mirror I mean. 
2021-10-11 19:46:07	jiriks74	The --mirror is with pixiecore, or kernel parameter...
2021-10-11 19:46:12	jiriks74	Oh, ok
2021-10-11 19:46:18	jiriks74	Aaaand 
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2021-10-11 19:46:53	jiriks74	I point the darkhttpd to the mounted iso folder or what?
2021-10-11 19:47:01	jiriks74	What structure do I need?
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2021-10-11 19:50:51	rcf	And by local mirror, I mean recreate the iso/latest/* directory that was on the real mirror you downloaded the ISO from. 
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2021-10-11 19:54:54	rcf	jiriks74: with darkhttpd running with that directory structure, it will download the rootfs from your system instead of an Internet mirror. Should this work, in the most perfect of worlds you then patch pixiecore to implement local caching, as given in the TODO comment in the source file, so that nobody else needs to do this 
2021-10-11 19:56:02	jiriks74	I'll take a look into it
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2021-10-11 19:57:20	rcf	While this may seem convoluted I assume you'd rather mirror the ISO bits locally, rather than undertake the joyous task of getting pixiecore and pxelinux to play nicely, or setting up a PXE server the hard way. 
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2021-10-11 20:01:44	gyrow	Hi, so I'm trying to update my old laptop, which hasn't been updated since 2017, now since all the packages use zstd I can't install anything...
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2021-10-11 20:02:19	MrElendig	gyrow: fixable, but doing a clean install will be *much* faster/simpler/less error prone
2021-10-11 20:02:31	rcf	gyrow: that will be an exercise in extreme pain such that a reinstall is really more straightforward. 
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2021-10-11 20:04:19	gyrow	Guess I'll have to start downloading the ISO at 3mbps
2021-10-11 20:04:57	MrElendig	bootstrap from your other machine
2021-10-11 20:05:06	MrElendig	will save you the iso download size
2021-10-11 20:05:43	gyrow	there a wikipage for that?
2021-10-11 20:05:52	MrElendig	yes
2021-10-11 20:06:45	MrElendig	if you have another box with arch, simply install pacstrap from it
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2021-10-11 20:07:11	MrElendig	though the iso isn't that big so won't take long even at 3mbps
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2021-10-12 12:37:15	baakeydow	is it bad to pacman -S package --overwrite \* ? if it is how do you fix it ?
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2021-10-12 12:39:15	sukhman	hlo
2021-10-12 12:39:27	sukhman	i'm unable to change my keyboard layout
2021-10-12 12:39:53	baakeydow	hello
2021-10-12 12:39:53	sukhman	i tried unsetting paramenters in /etc/vconsole.conf but nothing happens
2021-10-12 12:39:54	aminvakil	baakeydow: you almost never need overwrite
2021-10-12 12:39:57	aminvakil	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_maintenance#Avoid_certain_pacman_commands
2021-10-12 12:39:59	phrik	Title: System maintenance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-12 12:40:51	susi	sukhman: loadkeys in console, setxkbmap (or localectl) in X
2021-10-12 12:41:14	sukhman	can you provide me the full command
2021-10-12 12:41:16	baakeydow	thx aminvakil but if I don't I get a bunch of "xxx already exists on the system"
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2021-10-12 12:41:53	aminvakil	baakeydow: that's most probably because your system is messed up
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2021-10-12 12:42:00	aminvakil	or very out-dated
2021-10-12 12:44:15	baakeydow	yeah I though so
2021-10-12 12:44:56	baakeydow	but I regularly use pacman -Syu
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2021-10-12 12:45:48	ayekat	did you `sudo pip` at any point?
2021-10-12 12:46:09	ayekat	actually, what files exactly conflict?
2021-10-12 12:46:18	baakeydow	is there a way to audit my current setup for conflicts ?
2021-10-12 12:46:26	baakeydow	yes I did => sudo pip3 install docker-compose==3.8.0
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2021-10-12 12:47:18	ayekat	I guess most conflicts are something in /usr/lib/python…/… now?
2021-10-12 12:47:51	baakeydow	if you please give me a package to install and I'll tell you what is conflicting
2021-10-12 12:48:49	ayekat	given that you pip-installed docker-compose... I'd give it a try with docker-compose
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2021-10-12 12:49:56	ayekat	that being said, the one in community is 2.0.1, not 3.8.0 - perhaps that matters
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2021-10-12 12:50:21	baakeydow	what should I use to share text here ?
2021-10-12 12:50:35	ayekat	!give baakeydow paste
2021-10-12 12:50:36	phrik	baakeydow: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2021-10-12 12:52:25	SysGhost	!rs
2021-10-12 12:52:26	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2021-10-12 12:52:52	baakeydow	alright ayekat thank you I just tried with nmap => https://bpa.st/JEXQ
2021-10-12 12:52:54	phrik	Title: View paste JEXQ (at bpa.st)
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2021-10-12 12:53:11	baakeydow	thx SysGhost
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2021-10-12 12:53:48	ayekat	did you at any point `sudo make install`...?
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2021-10-12 12:54:11	ayekat	or run any pacman operations with --dbonly?
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2021-10-12 12:55:33	ayekat	pip only explains breakage in python, but I'd be surprised if it affects something like nmap :-/
2021-10-12 12:55:34	baakeydow	never used `--dbonly` neither `sudo make install`
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2021-10-12 12:58:53	baakeydow	yeah I'm tired of using `--overwrite \*` almost every time I need to install anything
2021-10-12 12:59:02	Scimmia	does pacman -Q say anything is installed at all?
2021-10-12 12:59:25	Scimmia	or anything that you haven't used --overwrite for, at least?
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2021-10-12 13:00:52	baakeydow	`pacman -Q` is returning a bunch of packages
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2021-10-12 13:01:45	Scimmia	that you haven't used --overwrite for?
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2021-10-12 13:02:04	Scimmia	it really sounds like your database got wiped out at some point
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2021-10-12 13:04:00	baakeydow	yesterday I installed solidity with --overwrite and `pacman -Q | grep solidity` => solidity 0.8.9-1
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2021-10-12 13:04:39	ayekat	baakeydow: yes, but is there any package where you have *not* used --overwrite?
2021-10-12 13:06:20	baakeydow	sorry I misunderstood yes I installed gparted without the --overwrite and it's also returned by pacman -Q
2021-10-12 13:08:52	Scimmia	can we see your pacman log?
2021-10-12 13:09:31	baakeydow	is there anything private in it ?
2021-10-12 13:10:11	Scimmia	shouldn't be
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2021-10-12 13:15:18	baakeydow	Scimmia: here you go https://paste.rs/paz
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2021-10-12 13:19:21	Scimmia	yeah, somewhere in July 18-21, it looks like your pacman database got wiped
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2021-10-12 13:20:11	Scimmia	reinstalling atom on the 21st reinstalled everything in the dep tree, including glibc/gcc-libs/etc that you certainly had installed already
2021-10-12 13:20:51	Scimmia	and ran post_install scriptlets, not just post_update
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2021-10-12 13:22:26	baakeydow	oh yes I see
2021-10-12 13:22:35	baakeydow	thank you what is the fix ?
2021-10-12 13:23:04	talismanick	For btrfs (for desktop usage), I should create my EFI vfat partition, an EXT4 grub2 partition, and put everything else under the btrfs root partition as subvolumes?
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2021-10-12 13:24:53	Scimmia	baakeydow: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Restore_local_database
2021-10-12 13:24:54	phrik	Title: pacman/Restore local database - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-10-12 13:26:44	talismanick	Also, should I be using Snapper? Are the alternatives (snazzer, btrbk, btrfs-backup, etc) viable/equal-but-different?
2021-10-12 13:27:27	baakeydow	you really are awesome thank you very very much Scimmia & ayekat to have helped me understand what was going on
2021-10-12 13:27:34	Scimmia	np
2021-10-12 13:29:12	baakeydow	last question on this subject Scimmia what did I do wrong ?
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2021-10-12 13:30:35	Scimmia	hard to say. One way or another, /var/lib/pacman/local/ got deleted, or it's contents did, at least. Bad terminal command? Rogue script? Hard to day
2021-10-12 13:30:36	Scimmia	say
2021-10-12 13:30:38	okhsunrog	I use snapper. I also found a tool for sending snapshots of my /home to my RAID for backups. It's basically an incremental backup
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2021-10-12 13:32:26	talismanick	Which tool would that be?
2021-10-12 13:32:31	talismanick	okhsunrog ^
2021-10-12 13:33:05	okhsunrog	https://github.com/doudou/snapsync
2021-10-12 13:33:56	okhsunrog	it has a bug in installer
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2021-10-12 13:34:46	baakeydow	thx Scimmia ++
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2021-10-12 13:35:07	talismanick	okhsunrog: Do you have everything besides boot under a single partition with subvolumes?
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2021-10-12 13:36:08	okhsunrog	https://pastebin.com/i1YeyaLp that's the script I use for installing snapsync
2021-10-12 13:36:09	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-EYw.txt
2021-10-12 13:36:09	phrik	Title: #! /bin/sh -ex#https://github.com/doudou/snapsynctarget=`mktemp -d`cd $t - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-10-12 13:36:26	talismanick	okhsunrog: I mean your filesystem
2021-10-12 13:36:33	talismanick	I'm learning how to set up btrfs
2021-10-12 13:36:38	okhsunrog	<talismanick> yes
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2021-10-12 13:39:55	baakeydow	when I do `comm -23 <(pacman -Sgq base | sort) pkglist.orig >> pkglist` it says "comm: file 2 is not in sorted order, comm: input is not in sorted order"
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2021-10-12 13:41:00	MrElendig	because the second file is not in sorted order?
2021-10-12 13:42:35	baakeydow	yes indeed
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2021-10-12 13:43:08	MrElendig	that will be 49.99€ + local tax
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2021-10-12 13:43:15	baakeydow	also when I do `paclog --pkglist --logfile=/var/log/pacman.log | ./pacrecover >files.list 2>pkglist.orig` files.list is empty is it a problem 
2021-10-12 13:43:33	baakeydow	MrElendig: yes that was a dumb question sorry for that
2021-10-12 13:44:12	baakeydow	MrElendig: I'm following this => https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Restore_local_database
2021-10-12 13:44:14	phrik	Title: pacman/Restore local database - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-10-12 13:52:31	susi	baakeydow: did you pass needed pkg dirs to pacrecover
2021-10-12 13:53:24	baakeydow	nope I did not
2021-10-12 13:53:42	susi	that explains it then
2021-10-12 13:53:52	susi	maybe
2021-10-12 13:54:27	baakeydow	yeah that's because I do not know what to give
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2021-10-12 13:55:30	baakeydow	it says it's optional
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2021-10-12 13:56:48	baakeydow	what would be an example of an additonnal directory with packages to pass as a parameter to pacrecover
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2021-10-12 14:28:43	Junx	susi: it works the way i want now, and tap clicking is very much disabled, i hate that :D now there is no right click area but two fingers are right click
2021-10-12 14:29:09	susi	Junx: :)
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2021-10-12 15:09:47	susi	is there something failing with my reboot prodecure, as there's two reboots still running?
2021-10-12 15:09:57	susi	those were ordinary kernel-switching reboots
2021-10-12 15:10:17	endermen1094	what file system should i use for bootloader on a bios system 
2021-10-12 15:10:51	okhsunrog	You mean for /boot partition?
2021-10-12 15:11:14	endermen1094	yes 
2021-10-12 15:12:07	okhsunrog	On bios you don't need a separate boot partition. Just install grub if you use ext4 or btrfs. Separate boot partition is needed in case your bootloader doesn't support your root fs
2021-10-12 15:12:19	susi	also: reboot   system boot  5.14.8-zen1-1-ze Mon Oct  4 17:26 - 16:45 (2+23:19)... what's up with the time? 17:26 - 16:45?
2021-10-12 15:21:25	dav1d	Hello71, mh, I thought KDE delegates it to sddm, thanks I'll guess I have to figure out what takes care of the lock screen first
2021-10-12 15:21:36	Hello71	no, that doesn't make sense
2021-10-12 15:23:25	dav1d	I fear the system suspends and KDE doesn't realize it was suspended and when waking up there is the grace time to unlock without password again
2021-10-12 15:24:09	Hello71	maybe
2021-10-12 15:24:15	Hello71	but unlikely
2021-10-12 15:24:22	Hello71	more likely kscreenlocker_greet is crashing
2021-10-12 15:24:25	Hello71	check your journal.
2021-10-12 15:25:29	dav1d	Hello71, do you know which unit I should check? 
2021-10-12 15:27:12	Hello71	no
2021-10-12 15:27:22	Hello71	i don't think kde uses systemd units
2021-10-12 15:27:50	dav1d	yeah, I am greping through `systemctl list-unit-files` can't find any kde units
2021-10-12 15:28:49	Hello71	that's... not very useful
2021-10-12 15:29:12	Hello71	you're not even listing user units
2021-10-12 15:29:18	dav1d	`journalctl /usr/bin/plasmashell` shows some logs
2021-10-12 15:29:32	MacGyver	Right, time to upgrade my UEFI.
2021-10-12 15:29:41	MacGyver	Let's hope they've fixed the ACPI tables this time.
2021-10-12 15:29:45	MacGyver	Oh and maybe even the sleep behaviour.
2021-10-12 15:29:48	MacGyver	Wish me luck.
2021-10-12 15:29:55	bea	MacGyver: Good luck
2021-10-12 15:29:57	dav1d	Hello71, it would be weird if it was a user unit file, no?
2021-10-12 15:30:03	Hello71	wat
2021-10-12 15:30:10	earnestly	For user sessions does `systemctl status user-"$UID".slice' display anything useful?
2021-10-12 15:30:15	earnestly	Out of curiosity
2021-10-12 15:31:07	earnestly	(I wonder how it might display user services, if they're just part of the tree or get their own subtree)
2021-10-12 15:31:57	Cork	earnestly: it displays similary to `systemctl status` except for just that user
2021-10-12 15:32:29	earnestly	Cork: So user services get their own subtree?
2021-10-12 15:32:51	Cork	earnestly: you mean systemctl --user?
2021-10-12 15:32:56	earnestly	No
2021-10-12 15:34:09	Cork	earnestly: ok?
2021-10-12 15:34:27	Cork	what do you mean by "user services" then?
2021-10-12 15:34:59	earnestly	The view from systemctl (without --user) over a specific user slice when they're employing per-user services
2021-10-12 15:35:11	Tom^	a wild earnest appeared.
2021-10-12 15:35:50	Cork	earnestly: if you are asking for services started with --user then yes they are visible in the slice, if you don't mean that donno what your asking about so can't say
2021-10-12 15:36:16	earnestly	I'm asking for details about /how/ they're visible.  status shows a tree structure
2021-10-12 15:36:42	Cork	have you had a look at systemctl status?
2021-10-12 15:36:52	earnestly	Cork: You don't have to be like this
2021-10-12 15:37:03	Cork	O_o oook
2021-10-12 15:37:06	⚡ 	Cork drops it
2021-10-12 15:42:16	earnestly	Hello71: Tom^ helped me out, it appears that status over the user slice does give you the user@ subtree without duplicating the processes in the session scope, which could be helpful when people don't use --user (or don't think there is one running and want to check from a higher level)
2021-10-12 15:42:26	Hello71	mm.
2021-10-12 15:42:44	dusty	what is the command to install grub on x86_64 
2021-10-12 15:43:24	NetSysFire	!give dusty aw grub
2021-10-12 15:43:26	phrik	dusty: Grub - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Grub
2021-10-12 15:45:46	earnestly	dusty: It's still i386-pc unless you're on efi, which then has its own x86_64-efi modules (or i386-efi if you're (unlikely) on some x86 efi system)
2021-10-12 15:47:57	baakeydow	in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Restore_local_database what does "Run the script (optionally passing additional directories with packages as parameters)" what would be an example of an additonnal directory with packages to pass as a parameter to pacrecover ?
2021-10-12 15:47:59	phrik	Title: pacman/Restore local database - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-12 15:54:09	concrete-houses	I just got postgresql 14 running from compile
2021-10-12 15:54:16	concrete-houses	how do I add it to systemctl?
2021-10-12 15:54:27	concrete-houses	so it starts on ze boot?
2021-10-12 15:56:56	Mysterytrain	you need a service file
2021-10-12 15:57:10	Mysterytrain	then systemctl enable yadda-yada
2021-10-12 15:58:17	MacGyver	AMAZING
2021-10-12 15:58:33	MacGyver	Unplugging power, plugging in power, and closing the lid all no longer bring the system out of suspend!
2021-10-12 15:58:39	MacGyver	The wonders of modern technology!
2021-10-12 15:59:12	MacGyver	I can do away with the ugly script hack that does a 3-second delay then suspend on lid-close.
2021-10-12 16:05:49	bea	why is suspend so broken
2021-10-12 16:06:17	MacGyver	bea: Because lenovo.
2021-10-12 16:06:32	MacGyver	And probably extremely bad ACPI tables or somesuch.
2021-10-12 16:19:00	MacGyver	jelle: Relevant to your interests ^
2021-10-12 16:19:14	MacGyver	Trying to figure out who else had a T14s.
2021-10-12 16:20:07	MacGyver	Foxboron?
2021-10-12 16:20:46	Foxboron	MacGyver: T14 Gen 2 :)
2021-10-12 16:21:28	MacGyver	And maybe The-Compiler.
2021-10-12 16:21:42	MacGyver	Foxboron: Right, they fixed this for the T14 a bit earlier.
2021-10-12 16:21:58	Foxboron	Clearly we need a hardware database :O
2021-10-12 16:22:14	MacGyver	Nah, I'm just grepping IRC logs now.
2021-10-12 16:25:36	susi	btw, I've been thinking what's wrong, when lid close suspends correctly and fine, but through systemctl command it just hangs 
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2021-10-12 16:27:38	susi	maybe I'm not even willing to debug it rn =/ 
2021-10-12 16:28:41	The-Compiler	MacGyver: T14 Gen1 here
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2021-10-12 16:30:05	teraflops	!pciid 
2021-10-12 16:30:06	phrik	teraflops: Eh?
2021-10-12 16:30:12	teraflops	^^
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2021-10-13 11:31:48	frojnd	Hi there.
2021-10-13 11:32:36	frojnd	Anyone else having issues with microphone going over 100% level while speaking (I see this in pavucontrol) peers in meeting says they hear scrumbled/electric voice.
2021-10-13 11:36:50	frojnd	WHen it goes over 100%
2021-10-13 11:37:03	mkoskar	frojnd: video chatting software you're using might be adjusting it automatically and that's usually causing issues
2021-10-13 11:37:43	frojnd	mkoskar: hm I have issues with jitsi and teams as well both running in browser
2021-10-13 11:37:57	thurstylark	that's possible through browser
2021-10-13 11:38:15	frojnd	Any ideas if I can somehow disable this or this app config
2021-10-13 11:38:23	mkoskar	going over 100% would be naturally causing some distortion so, don't do it, or stop anything that's doing that
2021-10-13 11:38:53	frojnd	mkoskar: am trying to find what's causing it. But noticed on 2 computers
2021-10-13 11:40:00	mkoskar	also looking at knobs of your real audio hw might be helpful, there's usually separate mic boost
2021-10-13 11:40:04	thurstylark	https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/7542181/chrome-is-auto-adjusting-the-microphone-level?hl=en
2021-10-13 11:40:05	phrik	Title: Chrome is Auto Adjusting the Microphone Level - Google Chrome Community (at support.google.com)
2021-10-13 11:43:16	frojnd	Thank you thurstylark, will install it in chromium
2021-10-13 11:48:31	CyberShadow	Is it possible to use multiple input drivers in one X session, e.g. xf86-video-amdgpu + xf86-video-dummy ?
2021-10-13 11:49:36	CyberShadow	multiple video drivers*
2021-10-13 11:53:30	CyberShadow	If I add a `Section "Device"` for the dummy driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d, then X starts with *only* the dummy device.
2021-10-13 11:53:54	grawity	if you manually add a device, I think you have to add *all* devices, i.e. define a section for amdgpu as well
2021-10-13 11:54:30	CyberShadow	Shouldn't that be accomplished by /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-amdgpu.conf ?
2021-10-13 11:54:54	grawity	dunno
2021-10-13 11:55:03	CyberShadow	Looking at xorg.conf(5), I don't see it saying that placing anything in /etc will prevent files in /usr from loading...
2021-10-13 12:15:01	bjourne	is there a program or pacman command to determine what package supplies a given file?
2021-10-13 12:15:17	grawity	-Qo for installed files, -F for files available in repository
2021-10-13 12:21:03	johnhamelink	Hi there, can I get some advice on how best to troubleshoot polkitd, which is currently averaging 45% of my CPU usage? A search suggests that `dbus-monitor --system` should help point to clues, but there'a *lot* of output and I'm not sure how to read it
2021-10-13 12:22:01	grawity	give it "interface=org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Authority" as the filter
2021-10-13 12:22:07	grawity	or maybe even "interface=org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Authority,member=CheckAuthority"
2021-10-13 12:22:24	johnhamelink	grawity: OK will give that a try!
2021-10-13 12:23:09	grawity	er, s/CheckAuthority/CheckAuthorization/
2021-10-13 12:23:40	johnhamelink	grawity: yeah, so the filter is still showing tonnes of output, but now it's a lot more uniform due to the filter
2021-10-13 12:23:51	johnhamelink	All are mentioning realtimekit1
2021-10-13 12:25:01	grawity	then look into what rtkit-daemon is doing
2021-10-13 12:25:34	grawity	it's supposed to wake up infrequently – e.g. pulseaudio starts, asks rtkit for realtime privileges, rtkit renices it and goes back to sleep
2021-10-13 12:26:59	johnhamelink	grawity: so it's definitely the source of the problem then in that case - I'm seeing hundreds of lines a second at least
2021-10-13 12:27:17	grawity	try filtering for "interface=org.freedesktop.RealtimeKit1"
2021-10-13 12:27:59	grawity	if it's an app flooding rtkit with MakeThreadRealtime etc, that's one problem
2021-10-13 12:28:07	grawity	if rtkit is spamming polkitd *on its own*, that's another
2021-10-13 12:30:16	johnhamelink	grawity: yes, `journalctl -b -g rtkit` shows a bunch of AccessDenied & Permission denied errors relating to pipewire
2021-10-13 12:31:33	grawity	`busctl monitor --system org.freedesktop.RealtimeKit1` might find more – this takes a service name and translates it to the necessary source= *and* destination= filters, it'll show all calls rtkit-daemon receives regardless of interface or stuff
2021-10-13 12:31:41	grawity	it sort of feels like "pipewire wants realtime, rtkit checks with polkit, polkit says "no", pipewire really really wants realtime"
2021-10-13 12:32:24	grawity	do those polkit checks succeed, by the way? (does `pkcheck -a org.freedesktop.RealtimeKit1.acquire-high-priority -p $$` from terminal succeed?)
2021-10-13 12:37:29	King_DuckZ	Hey all, I'm looking at this page https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?K=navidrome what's the difference between navidrome and the got/bin versions? Which one should I install?
2021-10-13 12:37:30	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - Search Criteria: navidrome (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-10-13 12:37:54	King_DuckZ	git*  autocorrect, sry
2021-10-13 12:38:33	aminvakil	King_DuckZ: git uses latest commit
2021-10-13 12:38:50	johnhamelink	grawity: pkcheck returns nothing but then echo $? returns 0, so I /think/ it returned successfully?. I agree that it seems like it's a stalemate between pipewire and polkit. Busctl shows that the `Interface=org.freedesktop.RealtimeKit1  Member=MakeThreadRealTime` method call returns `org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied` with `Device or resource busy`
2021-10-13 12:39:17	Namarrgon	King_DuckZ: -bin is a repackaged, prebuilt binary; -git will build the latest commit and the "regular" one will build the latest stable release
2021-10-13 12:39:32	grawity	navidrome is a specific version, navidrome-git is literally whatever the latest code is today, whether it works or not (also the navidrome-git package seems to be somewhat unmaintained, so I'd avoid it)
2021-10-13 12:39:36	johnhamelink	grawity: I inferred this by finding a "Cookie" that matches a "ReplyCookie"
2021-10-13 12:40:07	grawity	hmm how about pkcheck with org.freedesktop.RealtimeKit1.acquire-real-time
2021-10-13 12:40:31	King_DuckZ	Ahh ok so the version without suffix is also built from source locally?
2021-10-13 12:40:42	johnhamelink	grawity: also returns 0
2021-10-13 12:40:47	grawity	generally all AUR packages *except -bin ones* are built from source locally
2021-10-13 12:40:53	grawity	though there are some which don't follow this rule
2021-10-13 12:41:24	King_DuckZ	It's the source version of the -bin one right? I'll try it then, not sure if my server has enough ram but I'll give it a go
2021-10-13 12:41:33	grawity	yes
2021-10-13 12:41:44	King_DuckZ	Ok thanks!
2021-10-13 12:41:59	grawity	usually a -bin package gets added because the source takes a lot of resources to build
2021-10-13 12:42:24	johnhamelink	grawity: I've added my user to the rtkit group, I'm going to reboot and see if that helps!
2021-10-13 12:42:38	grawity	it is unlikely to
2021-10-13 12:43:15	grawity	but generally, a normal user session should already have permissions to use rtkit
2021-10-13 12:43:30	grawity	unless your login process is really unusual
2021-10-13 12:48:05	johnhamelink	grawity:  you are right, it didn't make a difference
2021-10-13 12:48:26	Namarrgon	do you use jack over pipewire?
2021-10-13 12:48:55	johnhamelink	Namarrgon: no I don't
2021-10-13 12:50:23	grawity	if you run `systemd-run --user --shell` and *in that shell* use pkcheck again, does it work as expected?
2021-10-13 12:52:41	johnhamelink	grawity: returns zero in both cases
2021-10-13 13:01:20	heythere221	recently people on here told me to grep the wireshark capture file in regards to my problem. I am looking for a string in a .pcapng file. How do i specifically use grep for that? I know I can use the GUI to initiate a search for packet list, packet details or packet bytes. How do I do that on the cli?
2021-10-13 13:01:53	heythere221	Do I use tshark -r CAPTUREFILE -V | grep -i STRING ?
2021-10-13 13:04:39	bea	is the pcap in binary format?
2021-10-13 13:04:48	heythere221	bea: Yes it is
2021-10-13 13:05:00	grawity	tshark -r foo -Y 'http contains "foo"' etc according to `man wireshark-filter`
2021-10-13 13:05:06	heythere221	How do I make it non binary?
2021-10-13 13:05:33	bea	tcpdump -r $file
2021-10-13 13:06:19	bea	then you can pipe to grep or write to plain text or do whatever
2021-10-13 13:06:45	heythere221	grawity: "tshark -r CAPTUREFILE -V | grep -i STRING" and is this wrong to search for packet details?
2021-10-13 13:06:58	heythere221	bea: thanks!
2021-10-13 13:24:44	heythere221	Is there a way to get more info on mentioned options in the manual page? For example man NetworkManager.conf has an option called "wifi.ap-isolation". What does that do?
2021-10-13 13:25:25	grawity	nm-settings(5) if you're asking about profile-level settings
2021-10-13 13:25:40	grawity	alternatively `nmcli con edit mywifi` and then 'describe wifi.ap-isolation'
2021-10-13 13:29:37	heythere221	grawity: wow nice it worked! Thanks. But how did you know that you had to do that in orer to check the meaning of that option?
2021-10-13 13:29:47	heythere221	grawity: How am I supposed to know that?
2021-10-13 13:30:15	grawity	there's a handy "SEE ALSO" section at the bottom
2021-10-13 13:31:31	heythere221	grawity: Yes I saw that I also did man all the other see also references but the string "wifi.ap-isolation" was nowhere to be found
2021-10-13 13:31:57	grawity	then you search for parts of that string, just in case it might be line-wrapped to wifi.ap-
2021-10-13 13:32:00	grawity	isolation, or something like that
2021-10-13 13:32:15	grawity	the '/' manpage search isn't smart enough to deal with that
2021-10-13 13:32:43	grawity	so even though there's no wifi.ap-isolation in full, you search for /isolation and it should find "ap-isolation"
2021-10-13 13:33:39	heythere221	grawity: Okay didnt know that. Is there another possibility to search for strings that cope with line-wraps instead of "/"?
2021-10-13 13:39:40	bea	dunno if anyone still uses it but there is also apropros
2021-10-13 13:40:19	grawity	apropos / man -k searches just the synopsis line, it's useful but not in this case
2021-10-13 13:40:41	grawity	though you *could* run `man -K ap-isolation` and wait for it to grep all manpages in full, but then it's literally faster to google
2021-10-13 13:41:13	grawity	heythere221: in general I'd say you'd need some other manpage viewer
2021-10-13 13:41:25	grawity	one that deals with HTML, unlike the default one
2021-10-13 13:41:52	grawity	e.g. GNOME's yelp, or https://man.archlinux.org/?q=nm-settings
2021-10-13 13:41:53	phrik	Title: Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2021-10-13 13:42:02	grawity	hmm
2021-10-13 13:42:04	grawity	https://man.archlinux.org/man/nm-settings
2021-10-13 13:42:06	grawity	that one
2021-10-13 13:42:06	phrik	Title: nm-settings(5) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2021-10-13 13:44:13	heythere221	grawity: Thanks for your help!
2021-10-13 13:44:55	johnhamelink	grawity: lmao you'll never guess what the problem was
2021-10-13 13:46:06	johnhamelink	grawity: I modified a pulseaudio script for polybar to use pipewire - it was absolutely hammering pipewire. I've disabled my CPU is down to 1% now. Phew!
2021-10-13 13:47:38	wyre	Is this library https://www.libcrc.org/ available in repos? I cannot find it apparently
2021-10-13 13:47:39	phrik	Title: LibCRC – Open Source CRC Library in C – Checksum calculation library with various algorithms (at www.libcrc.org)
2021-10-13 13:47:49	grawity	.so
2021-10-13 13:49:13	grawity	wyre: apparently not
2021-10-13 13:55:10	wyre	oh, thank you grawity I'll maybe check AUR, but without much hope 😥
2021-10-13 13:55:42	grawity	just build it locally or something, or copy/paste the necessary crc function
2021-10-13 13:55:50	wyre	sure
2021-10-13 13:59:31	grawity	(if you need crc32, everybody just uses zlib.h for that)
2021-10-13 14:37:59	th0rne	Uh oh, in how much trouble am I? http://ix.io/3BCF
2021-10-13 14:38:49	Scimmia	!panic
2021-10-13 14:38:50	phrik	http://eured.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/oh-noes-everybody-panic.gif
2021-10-13 14:39:48	Scimmia	I would guess it would come back up, though?
2021-10-13 14:40:08	BrainDamage	is your root on zfs?
2021-10-13 14:40:44	th0rne	No, I believe not.
2021-10-13 14:41:18	BrainDamage	then just mount it, run pacman -S over the last packages in a chroot
2021-10-13 14:41:27	BrainDamage	and should work again
2021-10-13 14:42:25	th0rne	That requires me attaching a keyboard and a monitor to the machine, so maybe I'll see if it magically comes back up like Scimmia suggested.
2021-10-13 14:43:08	th0rne	But let's say it doesn't - is restarting it a bad idea?
2021-10-13 14:43:09	BrainDamage	no, you can just remove the root fs disk and put it on the machine you're typing on atm
2021-10-13 14:43:15	th0rne	Oh, I see.
2021-10-13 14:43:36	th0rne	Yeah, ok, that's actually not bad.
2021-10-13 14:43:50	BrainDamage	restarting isn't a bad idea, pacman already aborted when ssh truncated
2021-10-13 14:43:53	Scimmia	if the kernel was updated, it depends on if pacman was actually killed when you disconnected
2021-10-13 14:44:16	th0rne	BrainDamage❱ How do you know?
2021-10-13 14:44:25	Scimmia	if it was and the initramfs didn't get updated, restarting is bad
2021-10-13 14:44:38	BrainDamage	because it get SIGABRT when the shell closes
2021-10-13 14:44:53	BrainDamage	sorry, SIGHUP
2021-10-13 14:44:58	th0rne	Yeah, that doesn't abort it.
2021-10-13 14:46:02	th0rne	I believe either pacman is still running, or it crashed, or it finished normally.
2021-10-13 14:46:15	bea	schrodinger's pacman
2021-10-13 14:46:28	BrainDamage	pretty sure pacman aborts on sighup
2021-10-13 14:46:35	th0rne	I'm pretty sure it doesn't.
2021-10-13 14:46:36	BrainDamage	just tested 5s ago
2021-10-13 14:46:41	grawity	if your network connection just died, with some firewall setups, the server might not actually know that the client has disconnected
2021-10-13 14:46:43	brejela	Pretty dure it does.
2021-10-13 14:46:49	susi	these almost don't look right :S https://0x0.st/-0vZ.txt
2021-10-13 14:46:55	BrainDamage	sudo pkill -HUP pacman
2021-10-13 14:47:06	BrainDamage	Hangup signal received
2021-10-13 14:47:16	BrainDamage	and closes with non-0 exit status
2021-10-13 14:47:23	grawity	i.e. it might wait for the buffer to fill up, then for TCP to timeout a few minutes later, and *then* sshd will exit, sighup'ing pacman on its way out
2021-10-13 14:47:42	grawity	also why is amdgpu so bad in 5.14 ;_;
2021-10-13 14:47:54	grawity	it works but doesn't seem to handle suspend/resume at all
2021-10-13 14:47:55	th0rne	BrainDamage❱ What was pacman doing at the time?
2021-10-13 14:48:10	th0rne	It might abort if it's not doing anything important.
2021-10-13 14:48:18	BrainDamage	downloading
2021-10-13 14:48:32	th0rne	Try after pressing "Y".
2021-10-13 14:48:48	th0rne	Oh, wait, that is.
2021-10-13 14:48:49	BrainDamage	I tried during installing now
2021-10-13 14:48:53	BrainDamage	still abortedd
2021-10-13 14:48:53	th0rne	And?
2021-10-13 14:48:56	th0rne	Huh.
2021-10-13 14:49:18	BrainDamage	just finished installing the current package, then abortedd
2021-10-13 14:49:22	BrainDamage	still a partial update
2021-10-13 14:49:25	grawity	did you expect there to be something like, pacman deliberately masking SIGHUP to never exit and stay hung forever?
2021-10-13 14:49:45	th0rne	I mean I'm pretty I once accidentally rebooted while doing pacman -Syu outside tmux and the other machine finished the update just fine.
2021-10-13 14:50:18	th0rne	So like, yeah?
2021-10-13 14:50:40	kek_	hi, I'm a bit confused about python. Had a big mess a year ago. I installed python3.8 using the AUR package but now I need e.g. numpy for it too. What's the correct way to install numpy for my python3.8?
2021-10-13 14:50:54	grawity	kek_: probably a venv, and pip inside that venv
2021-10-13 14:51:25	kek_	grawity, okay, not too familiar with venv yet. I'll read up on that thanks
2021-10-13 14:51:49	grawity	th0rne: makes sense but highly depends on a) how much output it generated during that, b) whether the client had a chance to cleanly disconnect or whether it just vanished from the net, c) firewall knobs
2021-10-13 14:52:30	th0rne	Hmm, I see, ok.
2021-10-13 14:53:00	grawity	e.g. clean disconnect usually sends a more immediate SIGHUP
2021-10-13 14:53:18	BrainDamage	in either case, wait a bit, reboot and see if goes back on
2021-10-13 14:53:25	th0rne	Sounds like a plan, thanks.
2021-10-13 14:53:27	BrainDamage	and check pacman log if it does
2021-10-13 14:53:42	th0rne	Sure.
2021-10-13 14:53:51	grawity	and yes pacman does deliberately set a SIGHUP handler, but that handler waits for alpm_transaction to "be interrupted" i.e. it's supposed to exit after the specific package is done, but not necessarily wait for the whole update
2021-10-13 14:54:28	th0rne	And if it's on post-transaction 4/25?
2021-10-13 14:54:29	BrainDamage	if it doesn't, mount it and pacman -S the same packages, hoping it was just last transaction that broke it
2021-10-13 14:54:47	BrainDamage	it finished just the 4th
2021-10-13 14:55:15	grawity	fwiw the same handler is used for both sighup and ctrl+c
2021-10-13 14:55:32	th0rne	I have a feeling it's not going to boot, but we'll see. I'll wait. Thanks, guys!
2021-10-13 14:56:03	grawity	I'm now literally removing the amdgpu device from the pci bus, waiting for the driver to give up, and reattaching it through /sys like it's a brand new device
2021-10-13 14:56:43	BrainDamage	plug 'n pray?
2021-10-13 14:57:03	susi	how is such a reattach done thru /sys
2021-10-13 14:57:17	grawity	by poking the .../rescan attribute of the parent pci bridge
2021-10-13 14:57:31	grawity	the removal was likewise done thru /sys
2021-10-13 15:03:08	susi	lm_sensors sensors-detect detects a Intel digital thermal sensor (driver coretemp), yet `sensors' does not show it =/
2021-10-13 15:03:32	bea	this might be a dumb question but -- how do i tell if its my PCIE bus having issues vs. the nvme not responding to power signaling if a nvme goes away after coming back from sleep
2021-10-13 15:06:38	bea	ie the behavior is see is, close lid, laptop goes to sleep, open lid, laptop comes back from sleep dmesg spams buffer i/o errors because the nvme has dissapeared
2021-10-13 15:07:44	bea	this only happens with mem_sleep set to deep rather than s2idle
2021-10-13 15:08:18	bea	by sleep i guess i mean suspend
2021-10-13 15:27:35	th0rne	Yeah, so I short-pressed the power button, restarted, booted fine, checked log, pacman finished everything.
2021-10-13 15:28:37	th0rne	So BrainDamage and brejela were wrong.
2021-10-13 15:28:55	NetSysFire	and now you demand a refund?
2021-10-13 15:29:01	th0rne	:)
2021-10-13 15:29:29	th0rne	Well, hopefully people learned something from this. I did!
2021-10-13 15:36:43	bea	hmm suspend works fine
2021-10-13 15:37:04	bea	s/suspend/hibernate
2021-10-13 15:37:08	bea	oh well
2021-10-13 16:20:55	armin	so my audio stops when switching to a tty (where not logged in) and starts again when i log in there, even though my user account is a member of the "audio" group. what am i missing here?
2021-10-13 16:36:03	bin_bat	is there a way to reset acpi or something. my laptop gets to 99% but it doesnt fully charge. this is a brand new machine, and it happened on the previous one too which makes me think it's something with linux
2021-10-13 16:40:20	HuntsMan	99% sound fully charged to my
2021-10-13 16:40:22	HuntsMan	to me
2021-10-13 16:42:06	kib	armin: same so I stopped trying to live out the minimalism meme and embraced i3 gui 
2021-10-13 16:45:09	susi	bin_bat: you can check /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/energy_full_design and energy_full
2021-10-13 16:45:46	susi	it does not stay too long at the full energy_full_design, if it ever even was, and 99% basically means 100%, some rounding doen there
2021-10-13 16:46:57	armin	kib: it's not much of a big deal or something, it just distracts me when i switch to a tty and i hate it
2021-10-13 16:49:02	ayekat	bin_bat: what tool did you use to determine the current charge level? if the tool looks at the design capacity, expect things not to end up exactly at 100% (can be lower or higher)
2021-10-13 16:49:17	kib	armin: wtf are you doing in tty ? startx already man
2021-10-13 16:50:01	susi	my battery never reaches more than 84% :(
2021-10-13 16:50:18	ayekat	kib: some people don't use a DM, so they just switch TTYs to log in as another user, for example
2021-10-13 16:50:33	kib	oh you wanna log in as another user I see
2021-10-13 16:50:40	kib	I mean i only use tty no dm
2021-10-13 16:50:48	kib	but then I am the only dude using this pc
2021-10-13 16:51:03	ayekat	kib: well, I don't know what they actually want - was more of a response to your "wtf are you doing in a tty?"
2021-10-13 16:51:16	armin	kib: i start sway (wayland) from a tty, that's all - sometimes i forget which tty i started it on and switch to a tty where i'm not logged in - that's when sound stops, no matter if i use wireplumber or pipewire-media-session
2021-10-13 16:51:37	kib	lemme try
2021-10-13 16:51:38	armin	kib: i understand the logic behind it, but it's annoying me
2021-10-13 16:51:55	ayekat	armin: are you using pulseaudio?
2021-10-13 16:51:57	kib	can confirm 
2021-10-13 16:52:00	kib	I use pipewire
2021-10-13 16:52:02	armin	ayekat: on top of pipewire, yes
2021-10-13 16:52:08	kib	wha-
2021-10-13 16:52:11	kib	why?
2021-10-13 16:52:18	ayekat	hmm, ok
2021-10-13 16:52:21	kib	pipewire-pulse ftw
2021-10-13 16:53:07	armin	i believe it has something to do with "session seats" and systemd
2021-10-13 16:53:12	armin	but i'm not 100% sure
2021-10-13 17:07:50	backes	!paste
2021-10-13 17:07:50	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2021-10-13 17:38:34	johndvd	Did anyone have problems or errors with f2fs as root-partition-type?
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2021-10-13 17:43:13	Namarrgon	yes
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2021-10-13 17:47:56	johndvd	which kind of problem?
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2021-10-13 17:48:51	Namarrgon	are you currently having problems or why are you asking?
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2021-10-13 17:51:17	johndvd	i got problems after kernel update to 5.14 (linux-libre), after initramfs loaded the system stop booting. i use f2fs since months without problems.
2021-10-13 17:51:50	Namarrgon	is this arch linux or one of the libre spins?
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2021-10-13 17:52:57	johndvd	the linux-libre-kernel is a cleaned-up arch kernel
2021-10-13 17:53:30	Namarrgon	i mean the whole distro
2021-10-13 17:53:32	johndvd	pacman and systemd are equal to archlinux
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2021-10-13 17:53:47	Namarrgon	so if this isn't arch then please ask in your distro's channel for help
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2021-10-13 17:54:09	Namarrgon	if they don't have a channel then try #linux
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2021-10-13 17:55:04	johndvd	i asked for f2fs experiences that not depend on distro
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2021-10-13 17:56:46	ℹ 	xoan5 es conocido ahora como xoan
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2021-10-13 17:59:47	johndvd	the only difference between parabola Gnu/Linux-libre to archlinux (gnu/linux) is that non-free packages are not available
2021-10-13 17:59:55	johndvd	by default
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2021-10-13 18:01:47	Namarrgon	we know, that's why it says "arch linux-support only" on the door
2021-10-13 18:02:24	rcf	f2fs usually Works For Me™ but when it doesn't it's a kernel matter that only they can resolve. 
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2021-10-13 18:17:30	Synthead	is there a command that captures network traffic from a command in a way that it can be played back?  something kind of like vcr in software dev, but as a cli tool?
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2021-10-13 18:18:37	Namarrgon	you mean something that sends the packets through the wire again?
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2021-10-13 18:19:44	rcf	Synthead: tcpreplay 
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2021-10-13 18:20:28	earnestly	Synthead: look into pcap (e.g. https://tcpreplay.appneta.com/wiki/tcpreplay-man.html )
2021-10-13 18:20:30	phrik	Title: tcpreplay man pagetcpreplay (at tcpreplay.appneta.com)
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2021-10-13 18:24:24	Synthead	I'm kind of thinking of something that would work like this: network-traffic-replayer -w data.tar curl https://google.com (writes traffic), then maybe network-traffic-replayer -r data.tar curl https://google.com to stub network requests from the archive
2021-10-13 18:24:25	phrik	Title: Google (at google.com)
2021-10-13 18:24:40	Synthead	I'm just making up this command, but curious if it's possible
2021-10-13 18:25:07	th0rne	My screen is black ("no input"). xrandr claims that everything is disconnected, but actually both the motherboard hdmi and the gpu dp are connected.
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2021-10-13 18:25:45	rcf	th0rne: what about /sys/class/drm/
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2021-10-13 18:26:17	th0rne	ls? card0@  card0-DP-1@  card0-DP-2@  card0-DP-3@  card0-HDMI-A-1@  renderD128@  version
2021-10-13 18:26:29	rcf	I mean the connection status therein. 
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2021-10-13 18:27:22	th0rne	Uhm, can you elaborate on the instructions? I don't think I've ever visited /sys/class/drm before.
2021-10-13 18:28:07	rcf	The ls gives all the connectors, inside each connector's directory there is a 'status' file you can cat to see what the kernel thinks of it 
2021-10-13 18:28:37	th0rne	"disconnected"
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2021-10-13 18:45:56	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2021-10-13 18:45:56	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1364 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1364 normals)
2021-10-13 18:45:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-13 18:47:34	rcf	th0rne: is the onboard GPU actually enabled at all? 
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2021-10-13 18:47:49	th0rne	Oh, wait.
2021-10-13 18:47:57	th0rne	Good point.
2021-10-13 18:48:07	th0rne	I don't think Ryzen 5 even has graphics?
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2021-10-13 18:49:32	rcf	I would not exclude the DP cable, therefore, unless you can test it on another system. 
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2021-10-13 18:50:18	th0rne	Very good point, I completely forgot that I don't even have an onboard gpu.
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2021-10-13 18:50:32	susi	is the monitor actually powered on ;-)
2021-10-13 18:50:39	susi	I once had such a problem with my raspberry pi
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2021-10-13 18:54:37	CyberShadow	I'm designing a new tool (actually redesigning an old tool), and I'm trying to get the CLI as consistent with standard POSIX tools (grep/sed/awk) as possible. Would appreciate any feedback: https://github.com/CyberShadow/reduce/tree/next#readme , man page: https://cy.md/reduce/
2021-10-13 18:54:39	phrik	Title: reduce(1) (at cy.md)
2021-10-13 18:55:13	rcf	CyberShadow: I remind you that 'dd' is specified by POSIX 
2021-10-13 18:55:20	CyberShadow	:D
2021-10-13 18:55:21	rcf	Do what is easiest for you! 
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2021-10-13 18:55:53	CyberShadow	Well, everything is about as easy, but e.g. -f is easier to remember than anything else when the same letter is used by awk, jq, and others
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2021-10-13 18:57:13	th0rne	susi❱ It is, and I made sure it was the correct source.
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2021-10-13 18:57:54	th0rne	I tried two different cables (one at a time), two different monitors (one at a time), and two different dp ports (one at a time). No dice.
2021-10-13 18:58:54	rcf	Oh
2021-10-13 18:58:57	th0rne	No wait, I see something in xrandr now...
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2021-10-13 18:59:54	rcf	th0rne: while testing, you should disable autorandr 
2021-10-13 19:00:14	rcf	Just in case 
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2021-10-13 19:01:35	th0rne	I think it disabled itself? I did 'systemctl | grep autora' and 'pgrep -af autora' and I don't see anything.
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2021-10-13 19:03:36	kib	th0rne: why not just systemctl status autora?
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2021-10-13 19:06:01	th0rne	kib❱ Yeah, thanks. 'Active: inactive (dead)'
2021-10-13 19:06:27	th0rne	Ok, so after swapping the cables and monitors, I do see it as "connected" in xrandr, but the screen is still black.
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2021-10-13 19:06:40	th0rne	I triple checked that the correct source is selected.
2021-10-13 19:06:47	kib	i came online just now, could you gimme a tldr
2021-10-13 19:07:22	th0rne	My monitor is black. I tried two cables, two monitors and two dp ports. It wasn't showing up on xrandr before, but now it is.
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2021-10-13 19:08:00	th0rne	Wait, xset something...
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2021-10-13 19:08:49	th0rne	I tried 'DISPLAY=:0 xset dpms force on', but nothing happened.
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2021-10-13 19:12:21	extern	hui
2021-10-13 19:12:24	extern	hi
2021-10-13 19:12:27	susi	Hui :o
2021-10-13 19:12:46	th0rne	I think that's "cock" in Russian.
2021-10-13 19:13:11	extern	sudo pacman -S virtualbox ( choosed virtualbox-host-modules-arch ), now that i try sudo modprobe vboxdrv
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2021-10-13 19:13:58	extern	modprobe: FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found in directory /lib/modules/5.14.6-arch1-1
2021-10-13 19:14:15	Namarrgon	pacman -Q linux && uname -r
2021-10-13 19:14:46	extern	linux 5.14.6.arch1-1
2021-10-13 19:14:48	extern	5.14.6-arch1-1
2021-10-13 19:16:10	extern	any ideas ?
2021-10-13 19:16:25	Namarrgon	"pacman -Qkk virtualbox-host-modules"
2021-10-13 19:16:40	Namarrgon	"pacman -Qkk virtualbox-host-modules-arch"
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2021-10-13 19:17:45	extern	virtualbox-host-modules-arch: 10 total files, 0 altered files
2021-10-13 19:18:00	Namarrgon	pacman -Q virtualbox-host-modules-arch
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2021-10-13 19:18:19	extern	virtualbox-host-modules-arch 6.1.26-22
2021-10-13 19:18:22	Namarrgon	partial updates are not supported
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2021-10-13 19:18:31	Namarrgon	-Syu and reboot into the new kernel
2021-10-13 19:18:37	Namarrgon	never run -Sy
2021-10-13 19:18:43	extern	i didn't
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2021-10-13 19:18:46	extern	i runned -S
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2021-10-13 19:18:52	Namarrgon	you did at some point in the past
2021-10-13 19:19:03	extern	ok im rebooting ..
2021-10-13 19:19:05	Namarrgon	or you would have a more recent kernel installed now
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2021-10-13 19:19:58	th0rne	Did anyone look at this? http://ix.io/3BE6
2021-10-13 19:20:12	th0rne	Can someone confirm that it looks normal? It looks weird to me.
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2021-10-13 19:20:25	Namarrgon	what's weird about it?
2021-10-13 19:20:38	rcf	Looks standard to me. 
2021-10-13 19:20:53	th0rne	Ok, nvm then. I thought all the dummies and functions looked weird.
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2021-10-13 19:22:13	th0rne	In xrandr, + is current and * is default, or?
2021-10-13 19:23:11	susi	>Ihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D_(programming_language)
2021-10-13 19:23:12	phrik	Title: D (programming language) - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2021-10-13 19:23:14	susi	oops, wrong paste
2021-10-13 19:23:23	susi	>If  invoked without any option, it will dump the state of the outputs, showing the existing modes for each of them, with a '+'        after the preferred modes and a '*' after the current mode.
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2021-10-13 19:47:59	rushi	anyone from apache-commons (-lang) here? I need help in submitting a (trivial) patch
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2021-10-13 19:50:41	dav1d	rushi, the java package?
2021-10-13 19:50:55	rushi	yes
2021-10-13 19:51:13	dav1d	might wanna ask that in a java related channel
2021-10-13 19:51:31	rushi	good idea. Thanks!
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2021-10-13 19:55:16	th0rne	susi❱ Thanks.
2021-10-13 20:00:33	th0rne	What is this? Could this be somehow related to the screen being blank? >kernel: [drm:retrieve_link_cap [amdgpu]] *ERROR* retrieve_link_cap: Read receiver caps dpcd data failed.
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2021-10-14 12:03:51	Rubonnek	I did install
2021-10-14 12:04:06	ayekat	and in that file, I've got entries for the iso10646 variants as well
2021-10-14 12:04:31	ayekat	(they point to the 6x13.pcf.gz file)
2021-10-14 12:05:17	ayekat	not sure about xterm, but rxvt-unicode seems to need the fonts.dir file to find the misc fonts
2021-10-14 12:05:31	ayekat	had to fix the rxvt-unicode package to pull it in as an additional dependency
2021-10-14 12:07:54	Rubonnek	hmm... i see the fonts.dir file, and there i see the entries for fonts im trying to access
2021-10-14 12:08:10	Rubonnek	apparently i have all i need installed, but for some reason xlsfonts is not able to see it
2021-10-14 12:08:40	Rubonnek	hm... i'll ill run an strace and see what i can find
2021-10-14 12:15:42	solsTiCe	hi. with lighttpd 1.4.60, I got a 404 on all subdomain and path. If I downgrade it's fine. Anyone seeing this too ?
2021-10-14 12:28:49	Rubonnek	Welp, 'mkfontscale', 'mkfontdir' and 'xset +fp /usr/share/fonts/misc' fixed my issue
2021-10-14 13:54:54	^-^hi	how many packages are on official arch repos?
2021-10-14 13:55:19	Foxboron	12807
2021-10-14 13:59:46	The-Compiler	Foxboron: https://archlinux.org/packages/ says 12396 though
2021-10-14 13:59:49	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2021-10-14 14:00:07	Foxboron	ah no
2021-10-14 14:00:11	Foxboron	I see testing+staging
2021-10-14 14:00:55	The-Compiler	interesting that the AUR only has 5-6x as many packages as the official repos, I expected more
2021-10-14 14:01:27	Foxboron	Thats because the repos are inflated with more library packages for things like haskell and stuff
2021-10-14 14:01:46	AlexC	haskell :DDD
2021-10-14 14:03:42	The-Compiler	:D
2021-10-14 14:20:40	jelle	haskell++
2021-10-14 14:24:41	kib__	nvm figured it out
2021-10-14 14:25:43	Gagis	haskell is amazing but it is a bit silly that repos have copies for so many tiny haskell packages that you'd normally use the languages own package management for
2021-10-14 14:27:21	The-Compiler	would be kinda nice to have a package manager just integrating with language package management and repos
2021-10-14 14:28:20	The-Compiler	like, why bother with having PKGBUILDs for all the {haskell,python,...} packages when they all look the same anyways (I know, I know, there are exceptions) and pacman could just learn to install from PyPI
2021-10-14 14:29:14	BrainDamage	you'd still need a translation table for the dep names
2021-10-14 14:29:17	The-Compiler	or probably rather a third-party tool, to make it clear that those aren't official archlinux packages
2021-10-14 14:29:34	The-Compiler	BrainDamage: Why? Just get them from PyPI too
2021-10-14 14:29:58	The-Compiler	(or whatever Haskell's equivalent is)
2021-10-14 14:30:00	BrainDamage	because arch package names aren't necessarily the same
2021-10-14 14:31:52	BrainDamage	and just adding provides to pypi wouln't help either, several packages names collide with others
2021-10-14 14:32:13	BrainDamage	eg neovim python bindings are just called neovim
2021-10-14 14:33:37	rbh	Does #archlinux have any particular opinion about Artix? I hope this isnt too offtopic
2021-10-14 14:34:47	The-Compiler	rbh: I've never used it, but I've heard less bad things about it compared to Manjaro
2021-10-14 14:35:23	The-Compiler	(as you can see by phrik knowing about !manjaro through !manjaro13, but only !artix which is quite polite :D)
2021-10-14 14:35:39	BrainDamage	in terms of reducing duplicate efforts, makepkg-template could come with some guidelines compilant recipes
2021-10-14 14:35:50	rbh	I see. Yea I have also had some really bad experiences with majnaro
2021-10-14 14:35:55	BrainDamage	but most don't even know it exists
2021-10-14 14:36:16	^-^hi	!manjaro
2021-10-14 14:36:16	phrik	manjaro does things differently from arch, so we can't really support it. ask in #manjaro on freenode.net, or in #manjaro or #linux on libera.chat
2021-10-14 14:36:22	^-^hi	!manjaro13
2021-10-14 14:36:22	phrik	https://manja.ro
2021-10-14 14:36:27	rbh	I've been using arch for about 5 years now (on and off) but now im planning on reinstalling and feeling brave, might try a fresh distro
2021-10-14 14:38:38	rbh	!artix
2021-10-14 14:38:38	phrik	Artix is based on Arch Linux but does things differently, so it isn't (and can't be) supported here. Please ask for IRC support in #artix on libera.chat. See also !notarch.
2021-10-14 14:40:51	Fr0stBit	I'm waiting my new laptop to arrive and I'm gonna make a clean arch setup after 8 years
2021-10-14 14:41:43	Fr0stBit	I cannot decide on what filesystem to use, the laptop will have an nvme and I want at least root filesystem encryption
2021-10-14 14:42:20	Fr0stBit	I had dm-crypt (or luks i'm not sure) with ext4 all these years on a full disk setup
2021-10-14 14:42:24	Fr0stBit	Any oppinions?
2021-10-14 14:42:36	okhsunrog	what about f2fs? is it stable enough?
2021-10-14 14:42:47	okhsunrog	seems like a good choice for nvme
2021-10-14 14:42:56	another|	!opinion
2021-10-14 14:42:56	phrik	Ohnes!!1 http://arch.har-ikkje.net/gfx/someone-with-a-different-opinion.gif
2021-10-14 14:43:00	NetSysFire	ext4 just works
2021-10-14 14:43:07	nl6720	f2fs should be fine as long as you never downgrade the kernel
2021-10-14 14:43:11	NetSysFire	i am on a nvme and its alright
2021-10-14 14:43:42	xst	samething I'm looking for 
2021-10-14 14:43:48	Fr0stBit	I'm between ext4 / btrfs right now
2021-10-14 14:44:07	okhsunrog	nl6720: i had to downgrade from stable to lts. no issues so far
2021-10-14 14:44:15	bea	does the arch wiki still stay btrfs is not stable
2021-10-14 14:44:17	okhsunrog	like from 5.14 to 5.10
2021-10-14 14:44:33	nl6720	okhsunrog: see the warning in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/F2FS
2021-10-14 14:44:34	phrik	Title: F2FS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-14 14:44:40	okhsunrog	ok
2021-10-14 14:44:54	nl6720	personally I had a different issue with f2fs
2021-10-14 14:44:55	xst	Fr0stBit might wanna check https://lemmy.eus/post/2898
2021-10-14 14:44:56	NetSysFire	bea: kind of
2021-10-14 14:44:59	NetSysFire	!give bea aw btrfs
2021-10-14 14:45:00	phrik	bea: Btrfs - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Btrfs
2021-10-14 14:45:03	NetSysFire	some features are still risky
2021-10-14 14:45:19	nl6720	it broke when turning on swap file with the discard option
2021-10-14 14:45:39	NetSysFire	nl6720: that multi-line link that got broken up in the related articles looks weird. too little spacing between the lines
2021-10-14 14:45:52	alexeyan	So I have a dell 5540 (XPS 15) with a dedicated GPU and a monitor setup where I use the HDMI port of the Laptop and an external Thunderbolt dock with 2 DisplayPorts. I want to use the dedicated GPU to render the X server, but can't get it to work for the life of me.  
2021-10-14 14:46:23	rbh	Does arch btrfs have any nice gui applications for managing snapshots?
2021-10-14 14:46:23	NetSysFire	did you check if theres already a laptop page on the archwiki with relevant tips?
2021-10-14 14:46:24	okhsunrog	nl6720: oh. I use it with my portable arch installation on usb drive. no swap, no discard. quite stable so far. even survived a couple of power losses
2021-10-14 14:46:30	nl6720	NetSysFire: that's how you know the text is a part of one link :D
2021-10-14 14:46:31	NetSysFire	rbh: theres timeshift
2021-10-14 14:46:46	NetSysFire	nl6720: but it looks odd. it needs a few pixels more
2021-10-14 14:46:49	Fr0stBit	I won't use any swap (16G laptop machine) and the storage 512Gig so I'll split it 256Gig on root and 256Gig on data
2021-10-14 14:46:52	rbh	Also, what kind of storage overheads are associated with snapshots?
2021-10-14 14:47:17	rbh	NetSysFire thanks, ill take a look at timeshift
2021-10-14 14:47:48	Fr0stBit	Probably I'll encrypt the root part but leave unencrypted the data partition for performance, although dm-crypt/luks performance hit seems neligible these days
2021-10-14 14:47:51	okhsunrog	Fr0stBit: I'd still recommend using 4 gib swap
2021-10-14 14:47:54	nl6720	okhsunrog: these were the issues I had: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/63839 & https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/63841 . I gave up on f2fs after that
2021-10-14 14:47:55	phrik	Title: FS#63839 : [linux] `swapon -d swapfile` on F2FS makes the file system inaccessible (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2021-10-14 14:48:14	Fr0stBit	okhsunrog: Even though I actually never hit all the available RAM?
2021-10-14 14:48:25	Fr0stBit	Does it help elsewhere?
2021-10-14 14:49:00	alexeyan	NetSysFire: Yes, but it doesn't cover my setup. The problem I think is that the DisplayPort is controlled by the Intel graphics chip and setting up rendering in Nvidia and mirroring the framebuffer in the intel gpu is tricky.
2021-10-14 14:49:27	okhsunrog	Fr0stBit: https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Swap that explains it quite clear
2021-10-14 14:49:30	phrik	Title: Swap - Manjaro (at wiki.manjaro.org)
2021-10-14 14:49:43	NetSysFire	linking the manjaro wiki? heresy!
2021-10-14 14:50:05	okhsunrog	haha. that's a really good article actually
2021-10-14 14:50:44	thebluenowhere	Manjaro is unpopular these days right? Or at least criticised frequently
2021-10-14 14:51:37	okhsunrog	thebluenowhere: it's just not supported in this chat
2021-10-14 14:53:40	xst	why swap if there is a swap file alternative
2021-10-14 14:54:07	alexeyan	NetSysFire: Since the Laptop is basically a stationary workstation and the iGPU reaches its limits at the 2 large external screens I really only want nvidia-only for a smooth desktop experience. 
2021-10-14 14:54:08	thebluenowhere	I meant more generally, holding certain packages which makes it unstable, expired SSL certificates etc
2021-10-14 14:54:52	Fr0stBit	xst: I have this question too
2021-10-14 14:55:00	MacGyver	A swap file is still swap, what's your point?
2021-10-14 14:55:46	Fr0stBit	Why actually allocate a dedicated partition for swap instead of using a swapfile that is more flexible
2021-10-14 14:55:52	xst	Just 2 partition on disk is enough. I guess why people suggest unencrypted swap partitions
2021-10-14 14:56:16	MacGyver	Ah. Only real reason is that it's a bit of a hassle (not impossible though) to get resume from hibernation working with swap files.
2021-10-14 14:56:21	nl6720	who suggests an unencrypted swap partition?
2021-10-14 14:56:24	MacGyver	Other than that, none.
2021-10-14 14:57:19	xst	Whenever I try to find a good installation guide, I always see 3-4 partition
2021-10-14 14:57:55	earnestly	What do the bad ones suggest?
2021-10-14 14:58:12	okhsunrog	can you recommend me a console irc client with vim keybindings?
2021-10-14 14:58:50	xst	earnestly block other goodies :( . 
2021-10-14 14:59:11	arcturus	what do you mean vim keybindings
2021-10-14 14:59:19	arcturus	modal chatting?
2021-10-14 14:59:22	earnestly	okhsunrog: There are none, only some which allow you to make such bindings
2021-10-14 14:59:29	xst	AFAIK the one I sent for Fr0stBit is the only one TPM setup exist 
2021-10-14 15:00:28	okhsunrog	I use Tiny. really light on easy to start with, written in Rust. it has an option to edit current message in $EDITOR
2021-10-14 15:00:43	okhsunrog	it uses Emacs-like keybindings
2021-10-14 15:02:33	nl6720	shouldn't emacs (being the kitchen sink it is) support irc and vim-keybindings?
2021-10-14 15:02:46	NetSysFire	!emacs
2021-10-14 15:02:48	phrik	A great operating system lacking only a decent text editor
2021-10-14 15:02:54	NetSysFire	it does have erc and circe and evil mode
2021-10-14 15:03:04	okhsunrog	I prefer vim
2021-10-14 15:03:10	NetSysFire	good choice
2021-10-14 15:03:12	NetSysFire	:Ni!
2021-10-14 15:06:37	The-Compiler	I recently added that feature to qutebrowser, for better ivm compatibility
2021-10-14 15:06:43	The-Compiler	vim even
2021-10-14 15:07:06	okhsunrog	btw it's my favorite browser so far 
2021-10-14 15:08:37	okhsunrog	sadly it has to ability to install extensions like dark reader
2021-10-14 15:08:50	okhsunrog	s/to/no
2021-10-14 15:11:39	xst	aah any installation guide with TPM+PIN exist in the universe of internet? Or it it just a blackhole idea?
2021-10-14 15:12:48	nl6720	xst: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Trusted_Platform_Module#systemd-cryptenroll has something
2021-10-14 15:12:49	phrik	Title: Trusted Platform Module - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-14 15:14:21	nl6720	hmm, there's no mention of PIN
2021-10-14 15:15:10	rbh	I just noticed that timeshift is capable of creating snapshots using either rsync or btrfs
2021-10-14 15:15:28	rbh	How efficient is rsync for full system snapshots? (I dont have a lot of storage space)
2021-10-14 15:15:31	xst	yes this one is like w1* using auto decryption. Lookin kinda TPM for boot, root for passhprase approach
2021-10-14 15:16:32	xst	@rbh some tools like borg,restic use rsync, i kinda like to delta sync. In my local works fine not sure on cloud systems
2021-10-14 15:16:35	nl6720	xst: is the PIN a feature of TPM, or you mean just an additional password?
2021-10-14 15:17:05	xst	nl6720 some guys says PIN yeah but it actually a passphrase to unlock root partition
2021-10-14 15:17:09	rbh	But I assume btrfs is the most efficient in terms of space required?
2021-10-14 15:17:26	nl6720	xst: ah, then you may need to wait for https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/19229
2021-10-14 15:17:46	xst	oh didn't saw that thanks nl6720
2021-10-14 15:18:06	nl6720	no, wait, I don't think that's the right one
2021-10-14 15:18:07	susi	xst: there is one forum thread about that, but couldn't find it myself when tried
2021-10-14 15:18:19	susi	that details the process
2021-10-14 15:18:38	nl6720	hmm, or maybe it is
2021-10-14 15:19:23	xst	seems like it is :)
2021-10-14 15:38:11	aaronh	Hello folks
2021-10-14 15:42:36	gschanuel	hello there! after latest update, my notebook screen is displaying a blue vertical line across the screen. It appears and disappears at random. I'm not sure if it's hardware or software. This line does not appear in a printscreen. Any ideas on how I can find out where the issue is? thanks in advance 
2021-10-14 15:43:10	Namarrgon	is the line present before arch boots? like in the firmware menu or the bootloader?
2021-10-14 15:44:11	^-^hi	gschanuel, hardware problem
2021-10-14 15:44:41	mpan	gschanuel: assuming the answer to Namarrgon’s question is “no”: what happens if you roll back the update? kernal and the relevant kernel module for your video card should be enough?
2021-10-14 15:45:12	gschanuel	Namarrgon, haven't seen it yet on firmware nor menu nor bootloader, maybe cause it's too fast and as I said it disappears frequently
2021-10-14 15:45:32	gschanuel	i'm thinking about leaving the notebook on the "bios" screen for a while to see if it appears there
2021-10-14 15:46:00	^-^hi	I have seen this on Windows, it was hardware damage then
2021-10-14 15:46:10	ayekat	is the line the same colour on all its pixels, or does it also depend on what is shown at that location?
2021-10-14 15:46:20	mpan	^-^hi: it may or may be not. Since a hardware damage is not something we can remedy, it would be wise to first verify it is one.
2021-10-14 15:46:28	ayekat	(e.g. perhaps it may not appear if the screen's just black there)
2021-10-14 15:46:31	gschanuel	it's always on the same place, and all blue
2021-10-14 15:47:02	mpan	gschanuel: rolling back the update will give a quite good answer.
2021-10-14 15:47:47	gschanuel	what could I do in a tty to display a white fullscreen background?
2021-10-14 15:48:26	BrainDamage	set terminal colour palette
2021-10-14 15:49:23	mpan	tput setab 15; fill-screen-with-dots
2021-10-14 15:52:06	ayekat	fill-screen-with-dots() { for i in $(seq $((COLUMNS * LINES))); do printf ' '; done; }
2021-10-14 15:54:59	gschanuel	mpan & ayekat both just "runs over" the screen but nothing stays on it
2021-10-14 15:56:11	^-^hi	gschanuel: do the ayekat line then the mpan line
2021-10-14 15:56:40	gschanuel	^-^hi did that already.. gonna try again just in case
2021-10-14 15:56:59	mpan	gschanuel: see if it works if you replace ' ' with '.' in ayekat’s code.
2021-10-14 15:57:03	ayekat	maybe `printf '.'` there, to be sure it prints dots at least
2021-10-14 15:57:13	ayekat	ah, ninja'd ^^
2021-10-14 15:57:18	mpan	Unfortunately sometimes printing spaces is not producing the background. Dunno why TBH.
2021-10-14 15:58:38	mpan	In case you ask: `tput` produces an escape sequence to tell the terminal to do something “special”. The `setab` is “something special” that sets background color. 15 is the color code for bright white.
2021-10-14 15:59:53	ayekat	in case your TTY somehow doesn't support colours 8-15 (unlikely but who knows), you can also setab 7 instead
2021-10-14 16:00:54	gschanuel	ayekat it worked with setab 7 thanks!
2021-10-14 16:01:42	gschanuel	the line is "off" for some time now.. gonna wait for it to (hopefully not) come back and look at tty 
2021-10-14 16:01:42	gschanuel	thanks folks
2021-10-14 16:01:51	keir	so i just booted up and got "disabling IRQ #16" during the boot process followed by a long hang
2021-10-14 16:02:06	keir	i had to force the computer to shutdown
2021-10-14 16:02:11	keir	what the hell was that?
2021-10-14 16:05:13	Namarrgon	did any of that end up in the logs or did you take a picture?
2021-10-14 16:05:52	piousminion	Hi, I've just rebuilt an AUR package (ungoogled-chromium) and upon launch it gives "Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped)".  What are some things I can do to either figure out the issue or provide the maintainer with enough information to fix it?
2021-10-14 16:06:22	keir	I just checked the journal and dmesg. and there's nothing there i can see
2021-10-14 16:07:02	piousminion	uhh, if lahnched with strace, it works.  Wait what? lmao
2021-10-14 16:08:46	keir	ah found it
2021-10-14 16:09:56	keir	irq 16: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)
2021-10-14 16:10:14	keir	i care
2021-10-14 16:10:56	keir	it's quit a meaningless stack dump
2021-10-14 16:13:40	gloomy	Hey, I'm having audio trouble (sound only comes out of headphones, not line out) and I'm utterly confused by linux audio :-) Is it normal that I seem to have both pipewire, alsa and pulseaudio processes running? 
2021-10-14 16:13:51	keir	possibly just ignore it. everything seems to be happy after retrying the boot
2021-10-14 16:18:44	gloomy	ah, apparently when I unplug the headphones the speakers work?
2021-10-14 16:19:31	jelle	gloomy: it probably switches over when you plug in a headphone
2021-10-14 16:20:26	gloomy	yes, but when I manually change the output from pavucontrol or alsamixer the speakers don't work while the headphones are plugged in...
2021-10-14 16:22:23	heythere221	How do I display my real Mac address? ip a shows my Mac address but this is randomized by the NetworkManager
2021-10-14 16:23:43	keir	heythere221: you can do that with NM?!
2021-10-14 16:24:03	nl6720	keir: AFAIK it's enabled by default
2021-10-14 16:24:03	⚡ 	keir opens NetworkManager wiki
2021-10-14 16:24:25	nl6720	heythere221: try with macchanger
2021-10-14 16:24:32	heythere221	yeah its enabled by default. It randomizes the Mac address for evey network.
2021-10-14 16:25:05	jelle	iirc it really only randomizes when scanning
2021-10-14 16:25:07	heythere221	its stable tho so every time you connect to network X you get the same address but upon connecting to network Y you get a different one.
2021-10-14 16:26:06	keir	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NetworkManager#Configuring_MAC_address_randomization
2021-10-14 16:26:07	phrik	Title: NetworkManager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-14 16:26:12	heythere221	isn't there a basic command that shows the real hwid of my network interface? macchanger doesn't come preinstalled...
2021-10-14 16:26:21	nl6720	jelle: isn't it the other way around? I though there were issues with some cards and scanning with randomized mac
2021-10-14 16:26:27	tirnanog	heythere221: ethtool -P. possibly, also with udevadm info -a /sys/class/net/<interface>.
2021-10-14 16:26:33	jelle	nl6720: hmmm
2021-10-14 16:26:50	nl6720	I could be wrong. it tends to happen :D
2021-10-14 16:28:08	heythere221	tirnanog: udevadm info -a /sys/class/net/<interface> this gives me the same address IP a shows.
2021-10-14 16:28:14	tirnanog	hmm.
2021-10-14 16:30:36	tirnanog	ethtool seems to use netlink. I'm not seeing any straightforward way to do this with the base utilities.
2021-10-14 16:31:02	heythere221	okay let me get netlink then
2021-10-14 16:31:25	nl6720	jelle: after reading NetworkManager.conf(5) and nm-settings(5), it looks like you were right
2021-10-14 16:31:32	jelle	:O
2021-10-14 16:31:41	bea	ethtool -P should give you the permanent address ye
2021-10-14 16:34:13	tirnanog	I think that's your best option, heythere221. obtaining the original address is device-specific and ethtool is the closest there is to a canonical utility.
2021-10-14 16:35:20	bea	it might spit out the hardware mac address during boot
2021-10-14 16:35:22	tirnanog	there's no "real_address" in sysfs or anything like that.
2021-10-14 16:35:57	heythere221	thanks ethtool -P worked!
2021-10-14 16:36:48	zekiz	Can someone help me with my Intel wifi card (AX200)
2021-10-14 16:37:45	Namarrgon	we won't know until you describe the problem
2021-10-14 16:38:26	zekiz	I have Incredibly slow wifi speed. Like 20mb/s download. On windows I have close to 100
2021-10-14 16:45:17	susi	is this ok, regards to execs, to be my i3-sensible-terminal command: https://0x0.st/-0Ut.txt (with shebang ofc)
2021-10-14 16:45:59	tirnanog	no, in so far as everything from the second line onwards is dead code.
2021-10-14 16:46:19	tirnanog	see `help exec` for an explanation.
2021-10-14 16:47:08	susi	yeah, that's what I was thinking bout
2021-10-14 16:47:17	alexeyan	Lol. So I have a funny bug in chromium. I have 5 windows in total and one of these does not accept keyboard input for the GUI. So no CTRL-W, CTRL-T or entering domains. I can still operate it with the mouse though. And this issues persists on exactly this one session across reboots/restarts. 
2021-10-14 16:47:42	susi	I thought it might return if urxvtc fails, even with exec, and $? be usable in the original shell
2021-10-14 16:47:43	tirnanog	susi: if that's all, you can retain exec for the second invocation but not the first.
2021-10-14 16:50:07	susi	there's no problems invoking urxvtc without exec inside i3-sensible-terminal?
2021-10-14 16:50:16	susi	seems to work
2021-10-14 16:50:30	tirnanog	do you want to replace the shell? if the answer is no, don't use exec.
2021-10-14 16:50:47	tirnanog	once the shell is replaced, there is no shell to return to once the given program exits.
2021-10-14 16:51:37	tirnanog	there is no way anything from line #2 onwards can be run as it stands.
2021-10-14 16:53:44	tirnanog	also, the urxvtd-followed-by-urxvtc code looks racy. is the daemon guaranteed to be ready by the time urxvtc executes? I don't know enough about urxvt to suggest anything in particular, though.
2021-10-14 16:54:59	susi	I execute i3-sensible-terminal by pressind mod+enter 
2021-10-14 16:55:08	susi	so I'm not sure about this replacing shell stuff 
2021-10-14 16:55:39	tirnanog	I'll make it simple then. if you don't know why you would want exec, simply don't use it.
2021-10-14 16:55:57	jelle	you can configure your shell directly in i3 ;-)
2021-10-14 16:58:08	tirnanog	normally, the shell forks before exec'ing a given program. by using the exec builtin, you're stopping it from forking, basically. quite literally, one program is replaced by the other.
2021-10-14 16:58:42	tirnanog	there is no parent/child relationship in that case.
2021-10-14 16:59:10	tirnanog	if it's still not clear, maybe take it to #bash.
2021-10-14 17:03:36	okhsunrog	have you faced any issued waking up from sleep with the latest stable kernel? radeon drivers
2021-10-14 17:04:11	Namarrgon	i've seen a couple of reports, yes. do you have the same issue with the lts kernel?
2021-10-14 17:05:15	okhsunrog	sometimes after waking up it just shows a black screen with something like that https://0x0.st/-0Un.jpg
2021-10-14 17:05:30	okhsunrog	today I switched to lts kernel
2021-10-14 17:05:34	okhsunrog	to issues so far
2021-10-14 17:05:44	okhsunrog	I have the same issue on 2 PCs
2021-10-14 17:05:54	okhsunrog	switched to lts today on both
2021-10-14 17:07:05	okhsunrog	s/to/no
2021-10-14 17:07:14	okhsunrog	no issues so far on lts kernel
2021-10-14 17:08:01	tirnanog	susi: I looked into how uxrvtd works. apparently -f has it fork only after listening socket is ready, so my fears about raciness are unfounded.
2021-10-14 17:10:15	okhsunrog	on the laptop: https://0x0.st/-0UC.jpg
2021-10-14 17:11:05	okhsunrog	so lts is the way so far. is it a bug in upstream kernel or something related to arch patches?
2021-10-14 17:11:58	susi	tirnanog: danke :)
2021-10-14 17:13:09	ahoneybun	!welcome
2021-10-14 17:13:10	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2021-10-14 17:14:55	susi	also I understand exec a bit better now
2021-10-14 17:16:05	tirnanog	it's normally used in wrapper code because there's no need to keep a shell hanging around as the parent for the lifetime of the child.
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2021-10-14 17:16:27	tirnanog	but in this case, it's not an option. you have to reap the child to know whether it exited 2.
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2021-10-14 18:22:59	ℹ 	Tema establecido por Namarrgon (~Namarrgon@archlinux/op/Namarrgon) el sáb, 18 sep 2021 00:21:12
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2021-10-14 18:28:11	mrenkey	Hello everyone
2021-10-14 18:28:20	◣	Trieste (~T@user/pilgrim) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2021-10-14 18:28:28	mrenkey	Does arch rolling use release versions?
2021-10-14 18:29:12	Scimmia	rolling and release versions are opposites
2021-10-14 18:29:27	mrenkey	so it is rc?
2021-10-14 18:29:34	Namarrgon	yes arch generally packages stable releases but there are exceptions
2021-10-14 18:29:36	Scimmia	...what?
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2021-10-14 18:29:53	Scimmia	oh, ok, I misunderstood the question
2021-10-14 18:29:59	mrenkey	hmm
2021-10-14 18:30:01	mrenkey	thx
2021-10-14 18:30:36	mrenkey	i tell not that "stable" releases like debian
2021-10-14 18:30:46	mrenkey	but just release versions of programs
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2021-10-14 18:31:09	mrenkey	if its stable release rolling than its good...
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2021-10-14 18:31:32	mrenkey	*then
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2021-10-14 18:32:10	mrenkey	Namarrgon: yes, sometimes i see rc versions, like aalib, release candidate
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2021-10-14 18:34:37	kyentei	phrik: that's exactly why I don't want to ask when, but see a status page somewhere and follow the build process :-) Perhaps help out on errors during build, etc.
2021-10-14 18:34:37	phrik	kyentei: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
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2021-10-14 18:35:39	MacGyver	Scimmia: I don't think you misunderstood the question at all.
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2021-10-14 18:36:05	MacGyver	I'm still not sure if they're asking one or the other...
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2021-10-14 18:36:57	Namarrgon	kyentei: there's no progress page but 23 is in the testing repos, so you can test it
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2021-10-14 18:37:14	MacGyver	Oh now I am, but that took a few more lines and a realization I was still scrolled up.
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2021-10-14 18:40:17	Scimmia	kyentei: 5.23 is already built and available in [testing]
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2021-10-14 18:47:37	rbh	Hello again
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2021-10-14 18:48:11	rbh	I just finished the reinstall and one problem that seems to have persisted is that external displays via hdmi still arent functional
2021-10-14 18:48:18	rbh	No idea whats going wrong
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2021-10-14 18:51:54	Namarrgon	you reinstalled because of this?
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2021-10-14 18:52:52	rbh	nah, last time I was messing about with the kernel and lots of networking stuff
2021-10-14 18:53:06	rbh	thought might as well reinstall as it had no critical data
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2021-10-14 18:56:04	teraflops	rbh: we run out of crystal balls, so unless you share actual info about your problem I guess you won't get much help
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2021-10-14 18:59:20	rbh	teraflops: I dont know anything about debugging display stuff so sadly I cant provide any logs unless someone tells me what they need. The device is a amd igpu + nvidia optimus laptop. When enabling the second display (name detected correctly), the display shows only 'no input'. Same happens with xfce
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2021-10-14 18:59:45	rbh	I'm on the 'nvidia' package as nouveou didnt even detect the display in kde settings
2021-10-14 18:59:53	teraflops	that's ok, you already shared useful info
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2021-10-14 19:00:48	rbh	When enabling the display in KDE settings*
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2021-10-14 19:01:48	teraflops	i wasnt aware nvidia optimus is available with amd GPUs as well
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2021-10-14 19:02:28	rbh	the igpu comes with the ryzen 7 4800h
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2021-10-14 19:03:07	rbh	lspci shows that amd gpu is using the 'amdgpu' driver but I doubt thats relevant since the hdmi is directly connected to the nvidia card
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2021-10-14 19:03:44	rbh	i will be right back. I need to do a quick reboot
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2021-10-14 19:06:59	rbh	I tested another display as well, which also doesnt work.
2021-10-14 19:07:29	rbh	I know the hdmi connection is good since both displays function correctly on windows 10 on the same device
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2021-10-14 19:09:33	rbh	I cant think of any other information that I can provide
2021-10-14 19:09:38	teraflops	rbh: what I wonder is whether that erally is an optimus device since afaik optimus is nvidia + intel
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2021-10-14 19:10:02	teraflops	really^
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2021-10-14 19:11:21	rbh	I believe it is the same technology
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2021-10-14 19:11:35	rbh	Optimus is basically igpu + nvidia
2021-10-14 19:11:37	teraflops	same as in a sticker in the laptop says it's optimus powered?
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2021-10-14 19:12:21	rbh	There is no sticker but the applications and instructions from the archwiki optimus page all apply
2021-10-14 19:12:29	teraflops	ok then
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2021-10-14 19:13:40	rbh	Though you might be right, as the archwiki says intel + nvidia
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2021-10-14 19:13:50	rbh	unless thats erroneous
2021-10-14 19:14:08	MacGyver	AMD + Nvidia works.
2021-10-14 19:14:21	MacGyver	Though last I checked it required manual patching of optirun.
2021-10-14 19:14:28	MacGyver	Because it has intel hardcoded.
2021-10-14 19:14:53	mefistofeles	do we need optirun nowadays? There is prime support with the nvidia drivers, isn't it?
2021-10-14 19:14:56	MacGyver	Nvidia's PRIME support has maybe also progressed beyond the "it just works" point, in which case that'll also work.
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2021-10-14 19:15:03	mefistofeles	MacGyver: yeah, that
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2021-10-14 19:15:14	rcf	I feel like they made a big deal about improving that in the latest release 
2021-10-14 19:15:21	teraflops	there is https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PRIME as well rbh 
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2021-10-14 19:15:22	phrik	Title: PRIME - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-14 19:15:27	mefistofeles	I know it works, but I haven't used it much
2021-10-14 19:15:30	MacGyver	My experiments with Nvidia and PRIME were Nvidia -> AMD, though, which is of course their least-prioritized setup.
2021-10-14 19:16:06	mefistofeles	teraflops: could you stop repeating?!
2021-10-14 19:16:07	mefistofeles	geez
2021-10-14 19:16:08	mefistofeles	xD
2021-10-14 19:16:29	mefistofeles	teraflops: hey, how is it going?
2021-10-14 19:16:46	teraflops	well, hollydays ;)
2021-10-14 19:16:55	rbh	teraflops yea I used prime previously for some offloading
2021-10-14 19:17:20	mefistofeles	teraflops: nice
2021-10-14 19:17:57	teraflops	i wonder if there is something in the AUR to deal with what MacGyver pointed
2021-10-14 19:18:07	MacGyver	teraflops: There won't be.
2021-10-14 19:18:15	rbh	Oh I just found this, https://forum.manjaro.org/t/no-hdmi-output-signal-on-amd-nvidia-hybrid-laptop/46805
2021-10-14 19:18:17	teraflops	mefistofeles: how's NY?
2021-10-14 19:18:17	phrik	Title: No HDMI output signal on AMD/NVIDIA hybrid laptop - Graphics & Display - Manjaro Linux Forum (at forum.manjaro.org)
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2021-10-14 19:18:26	rbh	Its a different laptop but the same exact config
2021-10-14 19:18:26	MacGyver	That optirun patching is one of those arcane word-of-mouth wisdoms hanging around in the r/VFIO community.
2021-10-14 19:18:34	teraflops	ouch
2021-10-14 19:18:48	rbh	>The NVIDIA driver currently cannot be used as an output sink when the output source driver is xf86-video-amdgpu
2021-10-14 19:18:49	rbh	oooh
2021-10-14 19:19:01	mefistofeles	teraflops: it's going good, can't afford it, as 99.9% of NYorkers, but it's good :P
2021-10-14 19:19:02	MacGyver	And let's be honest, proper PRIME support is the way to go.
2021-10-14 19:19:12	teraflops	heh
2021-10-14 19:19:16	MacGyver	Also recognizing Nvidia for the dumpster fire it is and just going full team Red.
2021-10-14 19:19:21	rbh	Welp found the answer now, I guess
2021-10-14 19:19:41	rbh	Though I dont know what I need to replace xf86-video-amdgpu with
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2021-10-14 19:20:42	MacGyver	rbh: Where was that snippet?
2021-10-14 19:21:19	rbh	MacGyver https://forum.manjaro.org/t/no-hdmi-output-signal-on-amd-nvidia-hybrid-laptop/46805 links to http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/455.45.01/README/randr14.htm
2021-10-14 19:21:21	phrik	Title: No HDMI output signal on AMD/NVIDIA hybrid laptop - Graphics & Display - Manjaro Linux Forum (at forum.manjaro.org)
2021-10-14 19:21:23	MacGyver	Ah, in the Nvidia documentation itself.
2021-10-14 19:22:04	rbh	Though I would rather not use optimus-manager since ive had bad experiences with it in the past with other laptops
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2021-10-14 19:22:21	rbh	Any ideas what else I can try?
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2021-10-14 19:33:29	rbh	Unfortunately, no luck
2021-10-14 19:35:01	rbh	the funny part is that the display works fine until the point where I execute startx. lol
2021-10-14 19:35:54	MacGyver	Wait so.
2021-10-14 19:35:59	MacGyver	You said you know jack-all about displays.
2021-10-14 19:36:09	MacGyver	I didn't follow the first act of all this.
2021-10-14 19:36:19	MacGyver	Have you pastebinned the output of xrandr yet?
2021-10-14 19:38:21	rbh	No
2021-10-14 19:38:31	rbh	!paste
2021-10-14 19:38:31	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-10-14 19:38:38	rbh	!rs
2021-10-14 19:38:38	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2021-10-14 19:39:26	rbh	MacGyver https://paste.rs/PVA
2021-10-14 19:39:50	rbh	Just a moment, I think I broke the webclient
2021-10-14 19:40:51	MacGyver	So what happens if you do `xrandr --output HDMI-1-0 --mode 1920x1080 --right-of eDP-1`
2021-10-14 19:41:16	rbh	xrandr: Configure crtc 4 failed MacGyver
2021-10-14 19:41:34	MacGyver	Anything useful in the journal?
2021-10-14 19:41:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-10-14 19:42:02	rbh	I'll reboot and check out this optimus-manager I installed
2021-10-14 19:42:20	MacGyver	Yeah, you'll probably need to.
2021-10-14 19:42:27	rbh	Not that I can tell MacGyver
2021-10-14 19:42:37	rbh	At least nothing related to the display
2021-10-14 19:43:08	rbh	Ill be back
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2021-10-14 19:51:05	rbh	MacGyver Success!
2021-10-14 19:51:19	rbh	optimus-manager --switch nvidia was the answer
2021-10-14 19:51:29	MacGyver	So basically made the Nvidia the primary?
2021-10-14 19:51:33	rbh	Yea
2021-10-14 19:51:46	rbh	However it seems the have broken the refresh rate on my laptop's display
2021-10-14 19:51:48	MacGyver	Unfortunate but necessary.
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2021-10-14 19:52:02	rbh	It shows 144 in settings but it is definitely 60hz
2021-10-14 19:52:22	MacGyver	That might also just be the whole xf86-video-amdgpu thing.
2021-10-14 19:52:23	kill	whats up with archlinux no gnome 41 yet
2021-10-14 19:52:30	MacGyver	Since you now have that installed, and didn't before.
2021-10-14 19:52:33	kill	not so bleeding edge as before
2021-10-14 19:52:44	rbh	MacGyver True, but at least I know the answer now.
2021-10-14 19:52:58	rbh	Nah, I removed xf86-video-amdgpu just after
2021-10-14 19:53:05	MacGyver	Right.
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2021-10-14 19:54:52	rbh	Though, setting my laptop from 144hz to 60hz breaks it magnificently
2021-10-14 19:55:33	rbh	The entire display is shifted down by 50%. Top half of the screen is black and the bottom half of the screen isnt visible since its going out of the screen
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2021-10-14 19:57:16	rbh	So I changed lots of settings rapidly and laptop screen suddenly started to work well at 144hz. Yay?
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2021-10-14 19:58:10	MacGyver	I doubt an aur helper has anything to do with it.
2021-10-14 19:58:43	rbh	I meant that as an exclamation :P
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2021-10-14 19:59:17	MacGyver	Did you now. I had no idea.
2021-10-14 19:59:35	MacGyver	But anyway, let's hope it sticks.
2021-10-14 20:00:24	rbh	Does this apply to my problem? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PRIME#XRandR_specifies_only_1_output_provider
2021-10-14 20:00:25	phrik	Title: PRIME - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-10-14 20:03:30	LordRishav	Has anyone tried dwl? It is basically dwm but for Wayland: https://github.com/djpohly/dwl
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2021-10-14 20:13:17	horseface	hi jelle can i be unb& from aot soonish, pls?
2021-10-14 20:13:18	horseface	:-)
2021-10-14 20:13:19	horseface	:-(
2021-10-14 20:13:22	horseface	i am sad ^
2021-10-14 20:13:28	horseface	i realise my mistake...
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2021-10-14 20:21:13	LordRishav	horseface: Why were you banned for speaking about medicine in offtopic? It is offtopic after all?
2021-10-14 20:21:27	horseface	yes, i am not too sure...
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2021-10-14 20:23:20	horseface	i know exactly which line led to me being banned, it was about a 'loophole' which i'd discovered in the 'law', actually that states that i am legally capable of blocking off a city (cbd) street for the purposes of hosting a free street party...
2021-10-14 20:23:55	horseface	it is that i am legally permitted to do this if i am registered or accredited outreach worker and, ironically enough, handing out syringes.
2021-10-14 20:23:56	horseface	lol
2021-10-14 20:24:27	horseface	anyway i will not say anything more into this channel for the reason of it not being aot.
2021-10-14 20:24:28	horseface	lol
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2021-10-14 20:24:52	horseface	(i only said this much because it was dead of other conversations.
2021-10-14 20:24:53	horseface	)
2021-10-14 20:25:35	brejela	I'd suggest you dm an op directly if you intend to challenge a ban duration. Or, even better, not do it at all.
2021-10-14 20:25:50	rcf	LordRishav: let's just say that these are not the sort of medicines your doctor would prescribe
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2021-10-14 20:30:07	susi	why `powertop' no more shows me that power est. column... I've read from interwebs that it might be that laptop hasn't been running long enough etc, but I'd expect 7 days to be enough to collect the stats
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2021-10-14 20:35:57	susi	let's wait for another week :)
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2021-10-14 20:37:07	teraflops	heh
2021-10-14 20:37:15	BrainDamage	it has to be running on battery for profiling to work
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2021-10-14 20:37:30	BrainDamage	because it only has that info during discharge
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2021-10-19 18:35:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2021-10-19 17:53:10	aiyion	As it is a community package, what can I do about it?
2021-10-19 17:53:23	MrElendig	!asp
2021-10-19 17:53:25	phrik	The Arch Build System's younger, smarter cousin. Now available in extra/asp
2021-10-19 17:53:40	MrElendig	update it yourself and see what breaks
2021-10-19 17:53:58	MrElendig	(or grab from testing)
2021-10-19 17:54:21	aiyion	thx, will look into it
2021-10-19 17:54:39	MrElendig	hmm looks like testing is outdated too
2021-10-19 17:54:53	MrElendig	iirc it changed the api so some stuff will probably break
2021-10-19 17:56:23	aiyion	which is not a reason not to update it, is it?
2021-10-19 17:57:02	MrElendig	it is if some other arch package which depends on it breaks
2021-10-19 17:57:45	rafasc	Foxboron: now it works... 😕
2021-10-19 17:58:40	aiyion	So in order to propose an update one'd have to test all "required by" packages for broken api calls?
2021-10-19 17:59:20	MrElendig	the way to propose an update is to click the "out of date" flag, which someone already have
2021-10-19 17:59:43	MrElendig	of course it could help the maintainer if you went on and tested the version bump though :)
2021-10-19 18:06:31	aiyion	Just found I do not even have it because of communitypackages, but due to a blackarch dependency -.-'
2021-10-19 18:09:24	zaratustra	hi
2021-10-19 18:10:57	Zeyphros	Is partition alignment still someting to think about with SSDs? I'd assume no but parted doesn't like it
2021-10-19 18:13:50	Scimmia	Zeyphros: yes, it's still a thing
2021-10-19 18:14:46	Zeyphros	are there are tools to help with partition alignment, ie can parted to alignment for me or should i just calculate it myself?
2021-10-19 18:15:08	MrElendig	Zeyphros: accept the default in almost all use cases
2021-10-19 18:16:57	horseface	MrElendig can i pls go back to aot?
2021-10-19 18:16:59	horseface	;_;
2021-10-19 18:17:01	MrElendig	Zeyphros: most ssds has a ftl that operates at 2/4/8k page sizes, which the controller generally try to map to fin in erase blocks
2021-10-19 18:17:04	baltazar	uh... did chromium just turn purple?
2021-10-19 18:35:45	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-19 19:24:15	kailo	Hello.  I could use some guidance on how to properly configure booting from a hdd, but using a m2nvme over pcie expansion card (no bios support for booting it) as /.  I have previously gotten this configuration to work with another distro, but I'm having difficulty in getting the right combination of configs to work with arch
2021-10-19 19:24:36	kailo	same hardware, diff distro basically.  Not sure what step I'm doing wrong
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2021-10-19 19:25:57	kailo	using uefi mode, formatted nvme as ext4 for /, formatted sda1 as ext2 for /boot and sda2 as swap, then installed grub on sda1, but it fails to find the drive for / (I'm assuming because the kernel hasn't loaded, and thus doesn't have nvme over pcie support yet)
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2021-10-19 19:26:51	MacGyver	That sounds like a thing grub would have a module for.
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2021-10-19 19:28:06	MacGyver	But *grub* doesn't really have to find the drive for / in that setup either.
2021-10-19 19:28:23	MacGyver	As long as it can find /boot, the kernel and initramfs should be able to take care of the rest.
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2021-10-19 19:28:50	kailo	Is my overall approach correct, or at least viable?  just 2 partitions on sda 
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2021-10-19 19:30:09	MacGyver	I believe so, yes.
2021-10-19 19:30:23	MacGyver	Did you configure mkinitcpio.conf correctly for this?
2021-10-19 19:30:44	MacGyver	You may need to add the modules required for nvme-over-PCI support yourself in this scenario.
2021-10-19 19:31:07	kailo	I thought that was built into the kernel, hmm
2021-10-19 19:31:47	kailo	let's take a step back.. do I need to do any other partitions on sda to successfully find /boot with uefi?  or is a single partition of type ext2 sufficient?
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2021-10-19 19:33:17	MacGyver	On uefi? No, you need the ESP to be fat32.
2021-10-19 19:33:32	MacGyver	Whether that is also your /boot... well, the wiki has some insights on that.
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2021-10-19 19:35:17	ℹ 	_________ es conocido ahora como __________
2021-10-19 19:35:19	ℹ 	__________ es conocido ahora como noodly
2021-10-19 19:35:23	ℹ 	noodly es conocido ahora como _________
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2021-10-19 19:36:34	kailo	I thought fat32 was only required on mbr partitioned disks
2021-10-19 19:36:47	kailo	shouldn't gpt use efi system?
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2021-10-19 19:38:10	MacGyver	You're conflating concepts and have it the wrong way around.
2021-10-19 19:38:42	MacGyver	UEFI needs the EFI system partition, that needs to be FAT32-formatted.
2021-10-19 19:38:59	MacGyver	Whether that's on GPT or MBR is not relevant, but usually you will be using GPT.
2021-10-19 19:39:42	kailo	ok so the 'type' in guid partition table is 'efi system', but it needs to be formatted as fat32?
2021-10-19 19:40:58	kailo	I believe that's what I did the first few times around
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2021-10-19 19:44:57	susi	what might cause me to be unable to boot my arch on usb stick with crypted / and btrfs on qemu, boots ok on bare metal?
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2021-10-19 19:45:35	enyc	susi: POSSIBLY one is uefi-booting and the other is emulating legacy bios boot?
2021-10-19 19:45:44	enyc	i.e. nothing todo with the crypt per-se, just not booting
2021-10-19 19:45:53	susi	tried it with "qemu-system-x86_64 -bios ... -hda /dev/sda -m 1024", but it stops with "Waiting 10 seconds for ..." and can't decrypt 
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2021-10-19 19:46:18	enyc	susi: I like using "-snapshot" so not writing to usb stick/device, safer on testing
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2021-10-19 19:46:55	enyc	susi: which even lets you chmod /dev/sda to be reaable by your user but not writable, and run qemu as limited user etc
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2021-10-19 19:47:29	susi	thanks for the tip :)
2021-10-19 19:48:09	susi	I'll try it with that
2021-10-19 19:49:22	susi	I almost became nuts trying to debug the non-issue, thought there must be something wrong with something within my confs
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2021-10-19 19:49:36	susi	but finally tried it on bare metal
2021-10-19 19:50:10	susi	-snapshot didn't do anything regarding this issue, but thanks for the tip anyways
2021-10-19 19:51:14	susi	bootloader (systemd-boot) starts, initrd is ok, it flows until it should ask for the passwd to decrypt the luks partition, but it can't find it or something
2021-10-19 19:51:50	susi	I'm new to these machine emulators anyway
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2021-10-19 19:54:37	^-^hi	I heard from some people about Manjaro being less stable than Arch (I have no idea). What is your opinion?
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2021-10-19 19:55:06	⚡ 	rcf prefers Arch, but that is a given here.
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2021-10-19 19:55:59	susi	of course it's less stable than Arch
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2021-10-19 19:56:57	susi	!give ^-^hi manjaro-controversies
2021-10-19 19:56:58	phrik	^-^hi: https://rentry.co/manjaro-controversies
2021-10-19 19:57:09	NetSysFire	!give ^-^hi lovemanjaro
2021-10-19 19:57:11	phrik	^-^hi: https://web.archive.org/web/20200529154914/https://manjaro.synh.me/
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2021-10-19 20:03:48	susi	weird that ref#10 is 404 on wayback machine, could it be that Manjaro team (philm) has asked them to remove it?
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2021-10-19 20:04:58	kailo	@MacGyver, think I got it working.  grub-install was probably using my nvme drive as the install destination instead of sda.  when I explicitly specified to install on sda1 it booted
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2021-10-19 20:08:30	susi	this is pretty funny: https://web.archive.org/web/20200624190831/https://gitlab.manjaro.org/packages/core/manjaro-system/blob/master/manjaro-update-system.sh
2021-10-19 20:08:33	phrik	Title: manjaro-update-system.sh · master · Packages / Core / manjaro-system · GitLab (at web.archive.org)
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2021-10-19 20:23:02	susi	^-^hi must have been philm checking the reactions
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2021-10-19 20:44:37	unixquuw	Hey ive got a problem for power managment of my thinkpad x220, when i unplug it the power drains really quickly, how do i fix that?
2021-10-19 20:45:47	mefistofeles	welcome to the club :P
2021-10-19 20:46:02	mefistofeles	unixquuw: have you gone through the power setup/conf recommendations in the wiki?
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2021-10-19 20:46:44	unixquuw	yessir
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2021-10-19 20:48:02	NetSysFire	did you read the laptop page of your laptop in the wiki if there is any?
2021-10-19 20:48:40	mefistofeles	.aw thinkpad x220
2021-10-19 20:48:45	mefistofeles	!@aw thinkpad x220
2021-10-19 20:48:45	phrik	mefistofeles: Say what?
2021-10-19 20:48:46	mefistofeles	!aw thinkpad x220
2021-10-19 20:48:47	phrik	mefistofeles: No results found.
2021-10-19 20:48:50	mefistofeles	nice
2021-10-19 20:48:50	unixquuw	ye
2021-10-19 20:48:53	unixquuw	i did
2021-10-19 20:48:59	unixquuw	nothing about power managment tho
2021-10-19 20:49:11	unixquuw	only a tip about UEFI thing getting full
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2021-10-19 20:49:27	NetSysFire	!aw lenovo thinkpad x220
2021-10-19 20:49:28	phrik	NetSysFire: Lenovo ThinkPad X220 - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X220
2021-10-19 20:50:29	unixquuw	ive got TLP package installed and started by systemctl
2021-10-19 20:50:35	unixquuw	so, i dont think thats enough
2021-10-19 20:50:37	unixquuw	im not sure
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2021-10-19 20:54:00	NetSysFire	do you have an external gpu out of curiosity?
2021-10-19 20:54:06	NetSysFire	as in a second one
2021-10-19 20:54:15	mefistofeles	I have an external and a second one
2021-10-19 20:54:22	mefistofeles	and the built in
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2021-10-19 20:54:39	mefistofeles	but the power consumption just sucks in this thinkpad
2021-10-19 20:54:50	mefistofeles	it seems to be a problem with the microcode and intel refusing to fix it
2021-10-19 20:55:04	mefistofeles	not sure if that may be a problem with unixquuw machine
2021-10-19 20:55:08	unixquuw	Nope sir
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2021-10-19 20:55:21	unixquuw	it might be a problem with the hardware of the laptop actually
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2021-10-19 20:55:30	unixquuw	im not sure how this "battery" works in thinkpad's world
2021-10-19 20:55:33	mefistofeles	apparently the built-in gpu is kept at max clock rate the whole time
2021-10-19 20:55:34	NetSysFire	why do you suspect that?
2021-10-19 20:55:50	mefistofeles	unixquuw: oh
2021-10-19 20:56:02	unixquuw	Because, the seller said that the battery "isnt fine" or something that
2021-10-19 20:56:08	unixquuw	but i thought it HAD a internal battery too
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2021-10-19 20:57:23	unixquuw	YEP
2021-10-19 20:57:23	◣	IndoAnon (~IndoAnon@user/indoanon) ha salido (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2021-10-19 20:57:25	unixquuw	IT'S A BATTERY PROBLEM
2021-10-19 20:57:26	unixquuw	okay
2021-10-19 20:57:27	unixquuw	thanks guys
2021-10-19 20:57:31	unixquuw	wish you a best night lmao
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2021-10-19 20:58:02	NetSysFire	theres usually some battery stats
2021-10-19 20:58:16	◣	Dark (~dark@user/dark) ha salido (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2021-10-19 20:58:20	NetSysFire	but yeah make sure to replace the battery. it can be a ticking timebomb in some cases
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2021-10-19 20:58:32	NetSysFire	spicy pillows need to be handled with care
2021-10-19 20:58:34	unixquuw	yeaah but i thought the external battery was just a battery that works like a "powerbank"
2021-10-19 20:58:46	unixquuw	so i couldve buy like 3 x220 batteries and switch them on-the-go
2021-10-19 20:59:20	unixquuw	but nope, seems like i gotta buy a battery too
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2021-10-19 21:00:33	unixquuw	well well well crap
2021-10-19 21:00:34	unixquuw	cya
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2021-10-19 21:06:47	Cirrus_Minor	https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/evnq81/x220_battery_recommendation_non_oem/
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2021-10-19 21:21:18	low-key	anyway to use a mp4 as wallpaper on sway?
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2021-10-19 21:25:57	GuiToris	hello, I can't find how I could specify the output file name with xz
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2021-10-20 17:18:28	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2021-10-20 16:39:14	concrete-houses	gcc 11.2 out but I see 11.1?
2021-10-20 16:39:16	concrete-houses	waaa
2021-10-20 16:39:23	concrete-houses	is there some thing going on?
2021-10-20 16:39:38	NetSysFire	!outdated
2021-10-20 16:39:39	phrik	Outdated package? (1) Flag it as out of date and be patient. (2) If you can't wait, build it yourself. (3) If more than three weeks have passed and you want to help updating it, tell the maintainer if the new version works or not. Do not forget to be kind or your mail shall be cast into oblivion
2021-10-20 16:40:26	concrete-houses	alos anyone run pharo.org 9?  I installed the launcher and get a FFI error when I start pharo9 but it seems to work...maybe just some kind of FFI incmpatability?
2021-10-20 16:40:37	concrete-houses	64 bit version
2021-10-20 16:40:52	concrete-houses	also last but not least postgresql 14 is out any sign of that makign ti to pacman
2021-10-20 16:41:00	concrete-houses	I compield it nicely with gcc 11.1 
2021-10-20 16:41:05	concrete-houses	so life is good
2021-10-20 16:55:09	Namarrgon	there was a mass-rebuild of libffi recently, update your unofficial packages
2021-10-20 16:55:34	Namarrgon	s/of/for/
2021-10-20 16:57:55	Hello71	isn't it a new soname
2021-10-20 17:09:05	concrete-houses	What is best command to update all installed pacakges?
2021-10-20 17:09:12	NetSysFire	!give concrete-houses aw pacman
2021-10-20 17:09:13	phrik	concrete-houses: Pacman - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman
2021-10-20 17:10:11	concrete-houses	 pacman -S libffi
2021-10-20 17:10:14	concrete-houses	warning: libffi-3.4.2-4 is up to date -- reinstalling n
2021-10-20 17:10:33	concrete-houses	oh unofficial hmm
2021-10-20 17:10:35	NetSysFire	no, you have to rebuild your packages
2021-10-20 17:10:37	NetSysFire	the ones in -Qm
2021-10-20 17:10:50	concrete-houses	oh my
2021-10-20 17:10:55	concrete-houses	pacman -Qm shows them?
2021-10-20 17:11:08	NetSysFire	!tias
2021-10-20 17:11:09	phrik	Try It And See™
2021-10-20 17:11:17	concrete-houses	 pacman -Qm
2021-10-20 17:11:17	concrete-houses	ifuse 1.1.4-1
2021-10-20 17:11:17	concrete-houses	js60 60.9.0-2
2021-10-20 17:11:17	concrete-houses	xorg-font-utils 7.6-5
2021-10-20 17:16:06	concrete-houses	hmmm
2021-10-20 17:18:29	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-20 17:23:18	zbe	Any idea what could cause random red pixles that are persistent over any app or VM or whatever, but get covered by mouse cursor (https://i.imgur.com/RMhE8Nf.jpg). They don't go away unless I reboot.
2021-10-20 17:23:55	◣	serbest (~serbest@user/serbest) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2021-10-20 17:25:01	zbe	pixels*
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2021-10-20 17:27:31	gehidore	zbe same spot every time?
2021-10-20 17:28:03	zbe	This is second time in a week, never before. Different spot
2021-10-20 17:28:32	zbe	Last time it was 8 or 9 pixels
2021-10-20 17:28:45	gehidore	and are you able to power cycle the display without reboot?
2021-10-20 17:29:08	gehidore	seems odd for an artifact from the display server but could be
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2021-10-20 17:29:30	⚡ 	teraflops tries to get a picture as close as possible to his monitor
2021-10-20 17:29:32	zbe	You mean turn off/on monitor?
2021-10-20 17:29:44	zbe	Nothing helps
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2021-10-20 17:30:25	zbe	Only thing that covers it is mouse cursor
2021-10-20 17:30:41	zbe	Even mouse cursor in windows VM
2021-10-20 17:32:20	teraflops	if mouse cover the artifact it looks like it's not the monitor itself, am I right?
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2021-10-20 18:16:32	ℹ 	tigr es conocido ahora como tigrmesh
2021-10-20 18:16:41	kib	susi: didn't work last i tried
2021-10-20 18:18:36	kib	susi: I'm unable to send messages to #i3
2021-10-20 18:19:03	susi	kib: I asked the question, I'll relay the reply to you when I get
2021-10-20 18:19:11	susi	because I've been thinking about the same
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2021-10-20 18:20:41	concrete-houses	I got phero-launcher
2021-10-20 18:20:49	concrete-houses	pharo-launcher
2021-10-20 18:21:17	kib	:O
2021-10-20 18:21:19	kib	thanks man 
2021-10-20 18:21:29	kib	susi: da bauws ✊
2021-10-20 18:21:41	susi	kib: oh you can use comma to separate
2021-10-20 18:24:09	susi	just found it from the luser guide
2021-10-20 18:24:25	kib	`for_window [class="Iwgtk" title="iwgtk"] floating enable, resize set 650 400, move position 710 10
2021-10-20 18:24:30	kib	POG
2021-10-20 18:24:48	susi	peace of gage?
2021-10-20 18:25:13	susi	ok checked it from urban dict
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2021-10-20 18:26:22	low-key	trying to use mpvpaper with sway and while i can get it to run just fine from the terminal, i'm not sure how to run it from within sway's config
2021-10-20 18:26:26	teraflops	phrik: give susi ud POG
2021-10-20 18:26:28	phrik	susi: Pog - Urban Dictionary <https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pog>
2021-10-20 18:26:37	kib	susi: \o/
2021-10-20 18:26:54	kib	finally someone on the internet who is worse than me at internet lingo
2021-10-20 18:27:13	susi	I'm no imageboarder
2021-10-20 18:27:28	kib	\o/
2021-10-20 18:27:39	kib	finally, someone else on an arch channel who isn't an imageboarder
2021-10-20 18:27:48	kib	I see this as an absolute victory
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2021-10-20 18:29:52	low-key	mpvpaper -o "--loop-playlist=inf --osd-level=0" eDP-1 /home/loki/videos/home.mp4
2021-10-20 18:29:55	low-key	this is my command
2021-10-20 18:30:09	low-key	but doing exec mpvpaper -o "--loop-playlist=inf --osd-level=0" eDP-1 /home/loki/videos/home.mp4 in sway's config doesn't work
2021-10-20 18:31:15	sleet	poggers
2021-10-20 18:31:18	susi	how's it not working? anything happens, errors?
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2021-10-20 18:33:36	demonicmaniac	is mpvpaper an alias?
2021-10-20 18:33:52	demonicmaniac	shell aliases wont work in configs
2021-10-20 18:34:33	demonicmaniac	if it's not an alias have you tried specifying the full path to mpvpaper
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2021-10-20 18:37:20	low-key	susi: nothing happens
2021-10-20 18:37:27	low-key	demonicmaniac: nope, it's the program itself
2021-10-20 18:37:44	low-key	i'll try specifying the full path but my other exec commands do work without needing to specify the full path
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2021-10-20 18:39:06	susi	low-key: try exec 'mpvpaper -o "..." ...'
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2021-10-20 18:39:33	low-key	trying now
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2021-10-20 18:40:01	low-key	nope, still nothing
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2021-10-20 18:43:39	teraflops	hmm, low-key try swaymsg exec whatever
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2021-10-20 18:46:02	low-key	that does work
2021-10-20 18:46:12	low-key	but should i be putting that into config?
2021-10-20 18:46:35	susi	low-key: when you add those execs in config, it does not execute them even though you reload
2021-10-20 18:46:39	teraflops	I recommend you to use the ipc option so you can use socat to manage the thing the same you can manage actual mpv
2021-10-20 18:46:40	susi	you need to terminate the session and restart
2021-10-20 18:46:50	low-key	ahh
2021-10-20 18:46:53	low-key	lemme give that a shot
2021-10-20 18:46:57	teraflops	there's exec_always as well
2021-10-20 18:47:12	teraflops	but thet's the idea of using the socket
2021-10-20 18:47:25	low-key	that did work! :D
2021-10-20 18:47:31	low-key	thank you so much! :D
2021-10-20 18:47:36	teraflops	!next
2021-10-20 18:47:37	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2021-10-20 18:50:21	teraflops	oh, I missed that, the swaymsg command is meant to be put in the config, yes
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2021-10-20 19:01:27	concrete-houses	hmmmmmm
2021-10-20 19:01:34	concrete-houses	anyone here using pharo?
2021-10-20 19:01:38	concrete-houses	how did ye install
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2021-10-20 19:03:21	concrete-houses	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/pharo-launcher/ ah maybe this is the right way
2021-10-20 19:03:22	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - pharo-launcher (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-10-20 19:03:39	concrete-houses	or some kind of thing from pharo website about adding a pacman repo
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2021-10-20 19:03:40	concrete-houses	hmmm
2021-10-20 19:03:43	concrete-houses	hmmmm
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2021-10-20 19:03:50	concrete-houses	which way shall I go?
2021-10-20 19:03:53	concrete-houses	lets try AUR
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2021-10-20 19:08:36	coruja	anything pharo-related in aur seems to be out-of-date
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2021-10-20 19:10:08	damarusama	I often move db from one system to another, mysql mostly (mariadb) is there a gui tool, like the mysql-workbench that would allow me to run a mysql database, where I can import, check a database clean up and export? Like a phpMySql, but wihout running a web server?
2021-10-20 19:10:15	teraflops	pharo the language?
2021-10-20 19:12:00	mefistofeles	concrete-houses: Pharo is mean to be a standalone vm thing, I commonly just use the official binary release, fwiw.
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2021-10-20 19:13:42	mefistofeles	concrete-houses: actually, let me rephrase that, I use the zerconf thing, fwiw 
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2021-10-20 19:19:08	concrete-houses	it works but there is that FFI error when I just use pharo launcher
2021-10-20 19:19:14	concrete-houses	I wonder if I should ignore
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2021-10-20 19:19:16	concrete-houses	trying AUR now
2021-10-20 19:19:31	concrete-houses	logic trap  running makepkg as my normal user fails
2021-10-20 19:19:52	concrete-houses	Make the package. After manually confirming the contents of the files, run makepkg as a normal user. Some helpful flags:
2021-10-20 19:20:00	concrete-houses	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_User_Repository#Getting_started
2021-10-20 19:20:01	phrik	Title: Arch User Repository - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-20 19:20:06	concrete-houses	now I will try as root
2021-10-20 19:20:39	concrete-houses	# makepkg -i
2021-10-20 19:20:39	concrete-houses	==> ERROR: Running makepkg as root is not allowed as it can cause permanent,
2021-10-20 19:20:39	concrete-houses	catastrophic damage to your system.
2021-10-20 19:20:44	concrete-houses	ah the fun fun fun
2021-10-20 19:20:46	concrete-houses	ok
2021-10-20 19:21:13	concrete-houses	]$ makepkg -i
2021-10-20 19:21:14	concrete-houses	==> Making package: pharo-launcher 1:2.4-1 (Wed Oct 20 13:17:39 2021)
2021-10-20 19:21:14	concrete-houses	==> Checking runtime dependencies...
2021-10-20 19:21:14	concrete-houses	==> Checking buildtime dependencies...
2021-10-20 19:21:14	concrete-houses	==> Missing dependencies: -> gendesk
2021-10-20 19:21:16	concrete-houses	==> ERROR: Could not resolve all dependencies.
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2021-10-20 19:24:06	susi	concrete-houses: use a paste service, for example 0x0.st ix.io paste.rs paste.rs/web
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2021-10-20 19:24:41	susi	or maybe I was too eager to say that :)
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2021-10-20 19:26:35	yamii	Will new glibc 2.34 require mass rebuild of packages?
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2021-10-20 19:33:27	airmailsteam	Hello I just installed Arch on an intel thinkpad x13 gen 1. Everything seems fine but I cant see any sound devices, neither speakers nor the mic in both pavuconrol and plasma's audio applet
2021-10-20 19:33:36	concrete-houses	ok got it working but had to install gendesk with pacman as root then the install failed as user
2021-10-20 19:34:10	concrete-houses	did pacman -U as root and logged into new user session command line and pharo-launcher ran and when I imported pahro 9 and started it it worked no FFI error
2021-10-20 19:34:49	concrete-houses	some thing a little funny about makepkg instructions..... but hey it works now :)
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2021-10-20 19:36:08	airmailsteam	I installed plasma which pulled in pulse as its dependency during pacstrap but when it didn't detect the audio devices I replaced it with pipewire but still no dice
2021-10-20 19:37:17	susi	concrete-houses: what's funny bout makepkg instructions?
2021-10-20 19:38:49	concrete-houses	well the install fails as user and has to be done by root
2021-10-20 19:38:58	concrete-houses	also the dep had to be installed manually as root
2021-10-20 19:39:03	concrete-houses	let me pastebin
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2021-10-20 19:39:53	susi	the dep had to be installed, but you oughtn't run makepkg as root
2021-10-20 19:40:24	airmailsteam	pactl list cards is empty
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2021-10-20 19:40:49	concrete-houses	I ran makepkg as my user
2021-10-20 19:41:05	concrete-houses	but it said dependency can't be installed
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2021-10-20 19:42:10	agregory	makepkg -s
2021-10-20 19:42:13	◣	Dark (~dark@user/dark) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2021-10-20 19:42:34	concrete-houses	looks like my user wasn't in the sudoers file
2021-10-20 19:42:38	concrete-houses	heh
2021-10-20 19:42:50	concrete-houses	I never liekd sudo
2021-10-20 19:43:10	concrete-houses	so if my user was then makepkg -si would have installed it? and dep?
2021-10-20 19:44:00	susi	if PKGBUILD's correct
2021-10-20 19:44:24	susi	didn't you read what makepkg warned you about when you first tried to run it as root
2021-10-20 19:44:30	teraflops	concrete-houses: know your tools
2021-10-20 19:44:47	airmailsteam	I think I found the cause, but I am not sure how to fix this, here are the logs for  sudo dmesg | grep -iE 'snd|sof'
2021-10-20 19:44:53	airmailsteam	sudo dmesg | grep -iE 'snd|sof'
2021-10-20 19:44:59	airmailsteam	https://pastebin.com/SjZr2gnK
2021-10-20 19:45:00	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-dPp.txt
2021-10-20 19:45:00	phrik	Title: [ 0.490752] pps_core: Software ver. 5.3.6 - Copyright 2005-2007 Rodolfo Giome - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2021-10-20 19:45:29	airmailsteam	I thought thinkpads had excellent compatibitlity with linux, why isnt my sound working then :(
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2021-10-20 19:45:58	teraflops	so it's lacking firmware?
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2021-10-20 19:46:09	teraflops	if the firmware is ok what's the problem?
2021-10-20 19:46:16	concrete-houses	https://pastebin.com/VvHjidBg
2021-10-20 19:46:17	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-dPf.txt
2021-10-20 19:46:17	phrik	Title: AUR pharo-launcher Archlinux - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2021-10-20 19:46:55	airmailsteam	teraflops I am not sure, the logs say to download fimware from a github repo but I think its weird 
2021-10-20 19:47:22	teraflops	maybe it's too new? not packaged by any distro? idk
2021-10-20 19:47:30	teraflops	take a look at the repo I guess
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2021-10-20 19:47:59	airmailsteam	think pad x13 gen 1. It has 10th gen intel, its not new I guess
2021-10-20 19:48:15	Namarrgon	pacman -Q sof-firmware
2021-10-20 19:48:17	teraflops	oh gen 1 it's not new by any means
2021-10-20 19:48:18	susi	concrete-houses: as it says, g is not in the sudoers file
2021-10-20 19:48:57	airmailsteam	Namarrgon, not installed. Should I install it?
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2021-10-20 19:50:20	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture#ALSA_firmware
2021-10-20 19:50:22	phrik	Title: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-10-20 19:50:24	susi	concrete-houses: you can also makepkg first, and then pacman -U the package and it will resolve the deps
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2021-10-20 19:51:41	airmailsteam	I installed the three packages mentioned, I will reboot and report back
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2021-10-20 19:54:15	concrete-houses	/etc/sudoers should give user g all? or?
2021-10-20 19:54:46	teraflops	there's a nice wiki with useful info
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2021-10-20 19:56:41	concrete-houses	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Sudo#Installation yes I guess my question is more specifically:  is ALL ok for my user? do most people just put user and ALL?
2021-10-20 19:56:43	phrik	Title: Sudo - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-20 19:57:17	concrete-houses	g ALL=(ALL) ALL
2021-10-20 19:57:26	concrete-houses	I'm even using visudo!
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2021-10-20 19:58:25	concrete-houses	also what do you gents think of that part with the /etc/security/limits.d/pharo.conf file?
2021-10-20 20:00:05	concrete-houses	it seems to have created that file properly so life I guess is good
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2021-10-20 20:09:27	hiya	dig command won't work, is it because I didn't enable bind service?
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2021-10-20 20:10:01	topcat001	hiya: are you getting FORMERR?
2021-10-20 20:10:40	hiya	when i type dig, it just stays there
2021-10-20 20:10:42	hiya	no action
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2021-10-21 19:00:46	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2021-10-21 19:00:46	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1354 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1353 normals)
2021-10-21 12:57:56	phrik	Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)
2021-10-21 12:58:10	pantsu	on the file you don't have access to
2021-10-21 12:59:03	gulzar	pantsu: Ah! owner: nobody,group: kvm
2021-10-21 12:59:12	pantsu	as expected
2021-10-21 12:59:19	gulzar	willl add myself to kvm
2021-10-21 12:59:26	gulzar	missed one step it seems
2021-10-21 12:59:43	pantsu	system session vm?
2021-10-21 13:00:51	gulzar	pantsu: on guest, all are on my name
2021-10-21 13:00:59	gulzar	pantsu: sorry. systetm session?
2021-10-21 13:01:29	pantsu	in virt-manager is the vm running under a user or system session?
2021-10-21 13:02:45	gulzar	pantsu: where to see this :(      
2021-10-21 13:03:07	pantsu	its right there on the overview page
2021-10-21 13:04:59	gulzar	pantsu: https://ibb.co/nmsYPmR
2021-10-21 13:05:00	phrik	Title: Screenshot-20211021-163429 — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2021-10-21 13:05:42	pantsu	qemu:///system vs qemu:///user
2021-10-21 13:06:19	pantsu	open virt.manager, right click on the connection the vm is under, details
2021-10-21 13:07:39	pantsu	default is system though, which explains the nobody user
2021-10-21 13:08:12	gulzar	pantsu: oh, qemu:///system
2021-10-21 13:10:47	krumelmonster	I'm having issues with ssh cipher negotiation aparrently. With one host I got `no matching host key type found. Their offer: "ssh-rsa"` and I had to add `-i .ssh/id_rsa -o HostKeyAlgorithms=ssh-rsa -o PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes=ssh-rsa` in order to connect. But another host which I have to connect to really urgendly, this workaround leads to "WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!". It is
2021-10-21 13:10:47	krumelmonster	very important that I verify the identity of th
2021-10-21 13:12:18	gulzar	pankid: thank you
2021-10-21 13:12:23	gulzar	pantsu: time to rerstart
2021-10-21 13:14:00	another|	krumelmonster: Do you have a question? Your post was cut short
2021-10-21 13:15:15	nattiestnate	hi, did systemd make changes to power management recently? now my computer goes to sleep after idling for a certain period of time
2021-10-21 13:15:23	nattiestnate	it didn't use to happen
2021-10-21 13:19:30	heythere221	nattiestnate: I have some issues with systemd too. Since 249.5-1 I always get a message on shutdown: failed to unmount /oldroot: Device or resource busy. This issue persists in the 249.5-2 version of systemd.
2021-10-21 13:19:47	krumelmonster	another| Can't connect to ssh host. `-i .ssh/id_rsa -o HostKeyAlgorithms=ssh-rsa -o PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes=ssh-rsa` makes it work but then it can't verify host id.
2021-10-21 13:19:55	gulzar	pankid: adding myself to kvm and restarting had no effect. Still permission denied
2021-10-21 13:20:05	gulzar	pantsu: ^
2021-10-21 13:20:10	krumelmonster	How can I connect to the host and verify its identity?
2021-10-21 13:20:21	krumelmonster	This used to work not long ago
2021-10-21 13:22:04	krumelmonster	ok it was a bit obvious: I had to remove `HostKeyAlgorithms=ssh-rsa` from my workaround. Why isn't ssh-rsa in PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes anymore?
2021-10-21 13:24:51	krumelmonster	Or is it because I generated .ssh/id_ed25519?
2021-10-21 13:27:23	gulzar	pantsu: any ideas
2021-10-21 13:31:08	heythere221	How do I copy the poweroff log?
2021-10-21 13:32:19	bea	didn't upstream openssh deprecate certain types of rsa keys?
2021-10-21 13:33:10	bea	ah only keys with sha1 sigs
2021-10-21 13:37:26	fredmorcos	Namarrgon: turns out I needed to wipefs the disk, UEFI was being confused from obviously incorrectly cleared magic values from previous installations
2021-10-21 13:37:35	fredmorcos	thank you though for all the help!
2021-10-21 13:37:58	demize	krumelmonster: Algorithms, not key types.  https://www.openssh.com/txt/release-8.8
2021-10-21 13:38:30	Namarrgon	fredmorcos: you wiped only the ESP or the whole disk?
2021-10-21 13:39:30	fredmorcos	the whole disk: wipefs -a
2021-10-21 13:41:58	Namarrgon	weird and hard to diagnose
2021-10-21 13:42:48	demize	krumelmonster: Anyway, you would pretty much never want to set PubkeyAcceptedAlgorithms (PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes is the old deprecated name for it), you want to add to it, and only then for specific hosts.  If you override and only accept ssh-rsa then for every host where you have a different kind of key currently accepted you're telling your client to request a different key.
2021-10-21 13:43:26	bea	you can just prepend a `+` to the keytypes
2021-10-21 14:02:15	heythere221	During upgrading I got this error: Warning: Could not load "/usr/lib/graphviz/libgvplugin_gdk.so.6" - It was found, so perhaps one of its dependents was not.  Try ldd.
2021-10-21 14:02:22	heythere221	is this something to worry about?
2021-10-21 14:03:26	Namarrgon	that's okay, it's just the post_upgrade script exploding, nothing to worry about
2021-10-21 14:03:56	Namarrgon	"pacscripts graphviz"
2021-10-21 14:05:34	heythere221	Namarrgon: thx
2021-10-21 14:32:11	horseface	so hello
2021-10-21 14:32:18	horseface	uhh, can i run openbsd within an lxc?
2021-10-21 14:32:20	horseface	:-| !!!
2021-10-21 14:36:31	another|	no
2021-10-21 14:39:16	rcf	You could run a VM inside a container and do it if you're crazy 
2021-10-21 14:49:36	brejela	!!
2021-10-21 14:49:36	phrik	POPOZÃO!
2021-10-21 14:49:45	brejela	Wrong channel, sorry.
2021-10-21 14:52:48	ugga-the-caveman	hi, i am trying to build my own router on an old laptop with archlinux. I want to be able to limit the datavolume of a particullar network client. how to do that ?
2021-10-21 14:52:59	krumelmonster	demize Thanks alot, release notes says it all. Time to upgrade that server to bullseye, I suppose.
2021-10-21 14:55:00	krumelmonster	ugga-the-caveman https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/trickle maybe?
2021-10-21 14:55:01	phrik	Title: Trickle - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-21 14:57:03	krumelmonster	if by "network client" you mean a certain application. And if the wiki page points out, this may not work in case the applications forks before making the network access.
2021-10-21 15:07:52	horseface	thanks...
2021-10-21 15:07:59	horseface	LOL rcf 
2021-10-21 15:08:01	horseface	i am...
2021-10-21 15:08:06	horseface	i used to be, BUT I STILL AM TOO.
2021-10-21 15:12:02	MacGyver	ugga-the-caveman: You'll probably want `tc` instead.
2021-10-21 15:13:37	ugga-the-caveman	ah i heard about tc here.. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/advanced_traffic_control  . sadly it is a bit above my understandings.   but i got some ideas: i can use iptables to count the packets or tcpdumb
2021-10-21 15:13:38	phrik	Title: Advanced traffic control - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-21 15:13:52	MacGyver	ugga-the-caveman: Unfortunately the design and most up-to-date documentation for it stem from the mid-noughties, pretty much, so be prepared for serious reading. The best resource is still https://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Traffic-Control-HOWTO/ I'm afraid.
2021-10-21 15:13:54	phrik	Title: Traffic Control HOWTO (at tldp.org)
2021-10-21 15:14:28	ugga-the-caveman	cool, thx
2021-10-21 15:22:07	fredmorcos	These messages show up when I install stuff: https://paste.rs/wIJ
2021-10-21 15:22:20	mohan43u	any way to detect why my keyboard key x is not working? Im using gnome3
2021-10-21 15:22:22	fredmorcos	expected 0x00800004
2021-10-21 15:22:36	fredmorcos	but /var/log/journal'
2021-10-21 15:22:59	fredmorcos	but /var/log/journal's permissions are exactly the same as on another machine where those messages don't show up
2021-10-21 15:24:47	another|	fredmorcos: check acl
2021-10-21 15:25:26	fredmorcos	how do i check that?
2021-10-21 15:25:39	another|	`getfacl`
2021-10-21 15:26:00	Namarrgon	which filesystem type is /var/log/journal stored on?
2021-10-21 15:26:42	fredmorcos	btrfs
2021-10-21 15:27:42	fredmorcos	another| acl output seems fine, the same as on the other machine
2021-10-21 15:28:11	fredmorcos	https://paste.rs/1vf
2021-10-21 15:28:46	fredmorcos	https://paste.rs/1Ph
2021-10-21 15:29:28	fredmorcos	so exa can show the extended attributes
2021-10-21 15:29:46	fredmorcos	and it shows system.posix_acl_default btrfs.compression system.posix_acl_access
2021-10-21 15:30:23	fredmorcos	btrfs.compression is the only difference between this machine and the other one (with / on ext4)
2021-10-21 15:30:35	fredmorcos	but I don't think this should have any effect
2021-10-21 15:42:10	Namarrgon	fredmorcos: does "sudo systemd-tmpfiles --create journal-nocow.conf" trigger the same output?
2021-10-21 15:48:05	fredmorcos	yes!
2021-10-21 15:48:33	Namarrgon	weird
2021-10-21 15:48:42	Namarrgon	all it does is set nocow
2021-10-21 15:54:27	fredmorcos	I just asked on #btrfs and apparently compression does not work with nocow
2021-10-21 15:55:29	fredmorcos	so perhaps because compression is already set on the directories, then nocow can't be set?
2021-10-21 15:55:36	Namarrgon	yeah
2021-10-21 15:57:00	fredmorcos	so I guess I just need to turn compression off on those directories
2021-10-21 15:58:27	fredmorcos	that works now... thank you Namarrgon another|
2021-10-21 15:58:40	another|	k
2021-10-21 17:09:52	morguldir	I have a question about some soname dependencies in the qemu package, a recent commit added a bunch of them, what is the point of that? Especially with things like libglib-2.0.so
2021-10-21 17:09:52	morguldir	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commit/35de0fcc57012d1383f3a252a46625e0aac64eb4?diff=unified#diff-37538beb61ff63edebbf735dfcf39e5d732f49183d6beb097169d971875ca422R138-R186
2021-10-21 17:16:30	horseface	hey guys i am installing arch onto my friends computer, and for whatever reason, arch is not showing within the systemd boot menu...
2021-10-21 17:16:41	horseface	it only shows 'reboot into EFI interface' or whatever...
2021-10-21 17:16:51	horseface	I CANNOT THINK OF ANY STEPS WHICH I HAVE MISSED!
2021-10-21 17:16:56	horseface	somebody pls help...
2021-10-21 17:18:51	pyroplasma	What are yall's opinions on Desktop Environment vs. Window Manager?
2021-10-21 17:19:19	Namarrgon	try them all, decide for yoruself
2021-10-21 17:20:21	horseface	hey there was a space at the end of 'editor no ' like that...
2021-10-21 17:20:25	horseface	in my loader.conf
2021-10-21 17:20:32	horseface	would that have fucked it?
2021-10-21 17:20:33	horseface	:-D
2021-10-21 17:21:21	pyroplasma	GNOME + Pop Shell is an amazing combination imo
2021-10-21 17:22:04	pyroplasma	The cleanliness of tiled windows and movement keybinds paired with the excellent features of GNOME
2021-10-21 17:23:07	horseface	nope
2021-10-21 17:23:13	horseface	still it does not working!!!
2021-10-21 17:23:17	horseface	:-| !!!
2021-10-21 17:23:28	pyroplasma	systemd-boot?
2021-10-21 17:23:31	horseface	yes
2021-10-21 17:23:35	Namarrgon	abuse the enter key some more, it will fix the problem
2021-10-21 17:23:42	evilop	pyroplasma: hardcoded keybindings that only works on us layouts and inflexible tiling layout
2021-10-21 17:23:45	horseface	ohh sorry, lol.
2021-10-21 17:23:55	pyroplasma	Is your PART-UUID correct?
2021-10-21 17:23:58	evilop	+except
2021-10-21 17:24:18	horseface	it is not showing anything apart from 'reboot into EFI firmware interface'.
2021-10-21 17:24:28	horseface	that one single option in the boot menu..
2021-10-21 17:24:41	Namarrgon	are you sure you put the configs in the right place?
2021-10-21 17:24:42	horseface	i will check the UUID, one moment, please, kind sir.
2021-10-21 17:24:49	horseface	100% about that.
2021-10-21 17:25:53	Namarrgon	morguldir: you'd have to ask/ping the maintainer
2021-10-21 17:26:57	Namarrgon	or packager, in this case
2021-10-21 17:27:34	pyroplasma	GTK programs don't align properly with non-GTK programs when tiled and it's annoying, is there any way to fix that?
2021-10-21 17:28:55	pyroplasma	I like to keep a terminal window open right beside firefox underneath VSCode and the terminal doesn't align with the bottom of the Firefox window
2021-10-21 17:28:56	pyroplasma	The VSCode terminal doesn't look as good :/
2021-10-21 17:29:18	Namarrgon	what do you mean by "align"?
2021-10-21 17:29:36	pyroplasma	The gap between the bottom of the screen and bottom of the window is larger with the terminal 
2021-10-21 17:29:53	pyroplasma	So the bottoms of both windows don't align properly on the Y axis
2021-10-21 17:31:53	horseface	i managed to fix that issue, it is now hanging when i start the computer on 'a start job is running for /dev/gpt-auto-root'...
2021-10-21 17:31:57	horseface	does anybody know why?
2021-10-21 17:32:13	Namarrgon	post your configs
2021-10-21 17:32:32	Namarrgon	that's the bare minium, and you should do that automatically up-front every time you ask for help
2021-10-21 17:32:51	Namarrgon	pyroplasma: you mean the gap at the bottom of the terminal?
2021-10-21 17:33:20	pyroplasma	yeah
2021-10-21 17:33:20	Namarrgon	that's due to the terminal's grid-based nature, it couldn't fit another row in and left it blank
2021-10-21 17:33:34	pyroplasma	I think that's what it is
2021-10-21 17:33:54	Namarrgon	either nudge the font-size a bit or if you use a bar you can increase its height
2021-10-21 17:34:09	Namarrgon	or nudge the window decoration
2021-10-21 17:34:57	pyroplasma	I might just switch my terminal emulator to XFCE terminal so it aligns perfectly 
2021-10-21 17:35:01	horseface	okay one moment!!!
2021-10-21 17:35:25	Namarrgon	the xfce terminal isn't immune to this
2021-10-21 17:35:46	pyroplasma	I've never had alignment issues with XFCE terminal
2021-10-21 17:35:56	pyroplasma	GNOME terminal almost never aligns with anything properly 
2021-10-21 17:37:00	Namarrgon	it's just a difference in padding, font-size, window decoration
2021-10-21 17:37:23	pyroplasma	I'll try tweaking those when I get back on my computer
2021-10-21 17:38:38	pyroplasma	probably should have worded my google searches better before asking the question here
2021-10-21 17:38:53	horseface	!ix
2021-10-21 17:38:53	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2021-10-21 17:38:54	pyroplasma	just found a github issue for the pop-shell on this exact problem
2021-10-21 17:39:29	beest	the nearest solution many terminals choose is to give the option "center" available rows and columns in the windows to equalise the border gap
2021-10-21 17:40:04	horseface	http://ix.io/3CpB
2021-10-21 17:40:06	horseface	Namarrgon 
2021-10-21 17:40:10	beest	you'll still have a gap but at least it isn't all on one side (or two)
2021-10-21 17:40:11	horseface	this is my loader.conf...
2021-10-21 17:40:16	horseface	and my arch.conf is...
2021-10-21 17:40:46	beest	i apparently cannot english today
2021-10-21 17:40:48	horseface	http://ix.io/3CpD
2021-10-21 17:40:49	Namarrgon	theoretically you could increase the inter-glyph distance, too, but that will look like ass
2021-10-21 17:41:13	pyroplasma	turns out gnome-terminal forces the window height to be rendered in increments of more than 1 pixel 
2021-10-21 17:41:28	horseface	i do not see anything wrong with it!!!
2021-10-21 17:41:29	horseface	:-|
2021-10-21 17:41:38	pyroplasma	and if the tiling area is not a multiple of that increment it leaves a gap
2021-10-21 17:41:55	horseface	this friend of mine has been running winblows HIS ENTIRE LIFE.
2021-10-21 17:42:04	pyroplasma	Issue incase anyone wants to see it:
2021-10-21 17:42:06	pyroplasma	https://github.com/pop-os/shell/issues/397
2021-10-21 17:42:07	gehidore	and?
2021-10-21 17:42:35	Namarrgon	horseface: post the bootctl output
2021-10-21 17:42:37	horseface	i now have made (gentle persuasion) him to install arch!!!
2021-10-21 17:42:37	beest	i've been running many different operating systems my entire life, which is long enough not to call them by wacky tribalist euphemisms
2021-10-21 17:42:45	pyroplasma	forgot you can't newline in Revolution lmao
2021-10-21 17:43:00	horseface	okay sure...
2021-10-21 17:43:34	horseface	http://ix.io/3CpE
2021-10-21 17:43:36	horseface	Namarrgon 
2021-10-21 17:44:24	beest	i'm typing this in a windows wsl2 session moshed into an arch vps while i poke at a macos prompt in another window, Linux Is Not For Every Job™
2021-10-21 17:45:51	horseface	ohh haha
2021-10-21 17:45:53	horseface	i got it!
2021-10-21 17:46:00	horseface	we had option instead of options, lol.
2021-10-21 17:46:05	gehidore	!grab beest
2021-10-21 17:46:06	phrik	gehidore: Tada!
2021-10-21 17:46:25	horseface	thank you for your assistance in broadening my troubleshooting abilities once again, mr. NAMARRGON.
2021-10-21 17:46:26	horseface	:-)
2021-10-21 17:46:33	gehidore	for posterity
2021-10-21 17:46:50	beest	that's not nearly as insightful as my quotes about dongs
2021-10-21 17:48:40	horseface	brb...
2021-10-21 17:49:22	beest	quick, lock the door
2021-10-21 18:25:28	SysGhost	sooo... regular USB keryboard work? but.. what doesn't?? Laptop?
2021-10-21 18:26:01	SysGhost	If so, I suspect the laptop keyboard require the old legacy PS/2 interfacing.
2021-10-21 18:26:21	jelle	or smbbus
2021-10-21 18:27:35	SysGhost	try adding atkbd to the MODULES variable
2021-10-21 18:27:44	Namarrgon	does the fallback image work?
2021-10-21 18:27:50	SysGhost	then regenerate the init
2021-10-21 18:30:12	SysGhost	one do wonder.-.. wouldn't the autodetect hook pickup old legacy keyboards?
2021-10-21 18:30:14	toeyjammer	yes, SysGhost...
2021-10-21 18:30:33	toeyjammer	a USB one works, but not the one built into the laptop...
2021-10-21 18:30:43	jelle	toeyjammer: what laptop... you provide no information :)
2021-10-21 18:31:40	SysGhost	toeyjammer: it's very likely the internal keyboard uses some odd interface usually not autoloaded Almost sound like a Mac, or a really old PC
2021-10-21 18:32:00	toeyjammer	yes, sorry. i am interstate in the ACT, y'see... i am running from the GOVERNMENT. :-| so i had to escape my city and state and i am making my way to the U.K. lol...
2021-10-21 18:32:07	toeyjammer	and so i am a little tired, etc...
2021-10-21 18:32:12	toeyjammer	here is the info, it is an:
2021-10-21 18:32:20	toeyjammer	Microsoft Corporation Surface Laptop 2
2021-10-21 18:33:56	toeyjammer	YES. ik. it is strange af... hey what is another strange thing is prior to arch we installed manjaro and yes, the k/b worked with this, even at the early boot environment, etc. and then i installed the xanmod-edge kernel and the k/b NO LONGER WORKED!
2021-10-21 18:34:03	toeyjammer	within the OS, this is...
2021-10-21 18:34:09	jelle	toeyjammer: and I am tired of your constant behaviour
2021-10-21 18:34:19	toeyjammer	wdym?
2021-10-21 18:34:40	toeyjammer	i am not trying to upset you or anyone lol... i swear... :-/
2021-10-21 18:35:19	Namarrgon	you are upsetting everyone by not staying strictly on topic
2021-10-21 18:35:20	SysGhost	toeyjammer: Quick googling reveals the keyboard is a well known issue with surface laptops. Lemme see if there is  an easy solution
2021-10-21 18:35:51	SysGhost	Apparently a very special kind of keyboard using some non-standard USB stuff.
2021-10-21 18:36:36	toeyjammer	i see. okay i will not do that then, it was only to explain why i was not entirely with it atm.
2021-10-21 18:36:40	⚡ 	toeyjammer is weary
2021-10-21 18:36:51	toeyjammer	i see, thank you so much SysGhost.
2021-10-21 18:36:57	toeyjammer	i will have a search around also...
2021-10-21 18:37:17	SysGhost	*hmmm* Seems one can load the acpi modules early on to get it working. With acpi loaded, the keyboard get initialized.
2021-10-21 18:37:46	toeyjammer	is that a module i should include into the mkinitcpio.conf?
2021-10-21 18:38:25	SysGhost	checking
2021-10-21 18:39:08	toeyjammer	ty...
2021-10-21 18:39:24	toeyjammer	i am checking too..
2021-10-21 18:40:45	SysGhost	when fully booted, check what kernel modules that got laoded in. Something might reveal what you need thre. Maybe something "surface" related.
2021-10-21 18:41:13	SysGhost	then.. add those modules to your init conf MODULES variable
2021-10-21 18:41:50	SysGhost	apparently the keyboard do work, but only after a full set of modules has been loaded *during* late stage booting
2021-10-21 18:42:50	toeyjammer	thanks, okay.
2021-10-21 18:42:51	toeyjammer	:-)
2021-10-21 18:44:04	toeyjammer	SysGhost, would it be this one?
2021-10-21 18:44:05	toeyjammer	surface_hid_core       16384  1 surface_kbd
2021-10-21 18:44:23	SysGhost	very likely, and also surface_kbd
2021-10-21 18:44:31	toeyjammer	thanks, okay.
2021-10-21 18:44:56	SysGhost	It is after all a Microsoft laptop. Shenanigans like that are to be expected ;)
2021-10-21 18:45:03	toeyjammer	AHAH
2021-10-21 18:45:05	toeyjammer	yes...
2021-10-21 18:45:55	toeyjammer	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_module#Using_kernel_command_line
2021-10-21 18:45:57	phrik	Title: Kernel module - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-21 18:46:11	toeyjammer	is placing the modules into there the most correct way to do this?
2021-10-21 18:46:12	toeyjammer	:-S
2021-10-21 18:46:52	toeyjammer	brb one moment sky pilot.
2021-10-21 18:47:50	toeyjammer	i just installed hunspell...
2021-10-21 18:49:57	SysGhost	toeyjammer: There's the MODULES variable in your mkinitcpio.conf. Add the modules there among the already existing one(s). separated by space.
2021-10-21 18:50:09	SysGhost	then rerun mkinitcpio -P
2021-10-21 18:50:53	toeyjammer	so i should add into MODULES=(... surface_kbd surface_hid_core ...)?
2021-10-21 18:51:03	SysGhost	indeed
2021-10-21 18:51:18	toeyjammer	thanks!
2021-10-21 18:53:01	toeyjammer	does this look good?
2021-10-21 18:53:01	toeyjammer	HOOKS=(base systemd autodetect keyboard modconf block sd-encrypt surface_kbd surface_hid_core filesystems fsck)
2021-10-21 18:53:10	SysGhost	no
2021-10-21 18:53:15	SysGhost	that's the HOOKS
2021-10-21 18:53:25	SysGhost	it doesn't take modules
2021-10-21 18:53:36	toeyjammer	oh wow sorry...
2021-10-21 18:53:37	toeyjammer	lol
2021-10-21 18:59:01	grazzolini	toeyjammer: modules aren't hooks.
2021-10-21 19:00:46	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-21 19:01:53	toeyjammer	yes i have place those modules into the appropriate section, i will now try it!!!
2021-10-21 19:01:54	toeyjammer	ty brb!
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2021-10-21 19:05:25	SysGhost	he'll be back soon I presume.
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2021-10-21 19:12:36	perrierjouet	nfs used to work but now I get with sudo mount -a mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 192.168.0.193:/data
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2021-10-21 19:17:42	SysGhost	check which version it uses. V4+ are a wee bit different.
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2021-10-21 19:22:20	perrierjouet	i changed /etc/exports setting and it works now
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2021-10-21 19:23:38	SysGhost	\o/
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2021-10-21 19:24:00	SysGhost	!next
2021-10-21 19:24:01	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2021-10-21 19:26:11	perrierjouet	SysGhost:what is your tought on guix does pacman has somefuture that could be added ?
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2021-10-21 19:31:22	fredmorcos	I have a machine with root & home on LUKS+ext4 and tune2fs -l tells me one of the filesystem features is "needs_recovery" which I assume is some trick ext4 uses when a fs needs to be fsck'd? why isn't the initrd image fsck'ing my partitions at boot?
2021-10-21 19:31:23	SysGhost	pacman GUI? Not sure if I understand the question right, but... my thoughts: There's plnety of GUI tools that integrate arch package system, and in some ways involve pacman. im,ho there's no need for any official GUI's
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2021-10-21 19:37:07	bparker	SysGhost: I thought they were talking about guix the distro
2021-10-21 19:37:19	perrierjouet	package manager
2021-10-21 19:37:21	SysGhost	pardon me.
2021-10-21 19:37:43	SysGhost	I haven't had my head in there properly 
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2021-10-21 19:39:30	SysGhost	I know far too little about guix to make any sort of statement.
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2021-10-21 19:46:22	Hamled	Any tips on how I can troubleshoot a situation where a USB device is not getting USB 3.0 speeds / is being assigned as a child of a 2.0 root hub? The same device and same USB cable, when connected to another computer also running arch does get connected at 3.0 speeds. I've verified that this computer's motherboard supports USB 3.1 gen 1/2 and that I'm using one of the gen 1 ports when I connect
2021-10-21 19:46:22	Hamled	the device.
2021-10-21 19:46:53	ℹ 	teus_ es conocido ahora como teus
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2021-10-21 19:47:48	teus	Hamled: see what dmesg and lspci say
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2021-10-21 19:48:18	teus	see what gets recognized as what
2021-10-21 19:49:42	SysGhost	journalctl -f while plugging/unplugging devices. See which USB system that "takes it in". Then there's lsusb
2021-10-21 19:49:52	SysGhost	see that the xhci kernel module is loaded
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2021-10-21 19:57:10	SysGhost	Nono. Not that door. Over there ->>
2021-10-21 19:57:24	Hamled	yeah lsusb is what I was basing my info off of. Of course, looking at dmesg when I connected it just now and it actually gets read as a superspeed device now (and shows up as expected in the output of lsusb -tv) so.... hopefully it just works but I'll keep an eye on all of those commands' output if it stops being detected as superspeed again. Thanks all.
2021-10-21 19:58:02	SysGhost	it can happen when one update the kernel and the modules but don't reboot
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2021-10-21 19:58:26	SysGhost	it kinda falls back to a builtin default.
2021-10-21 19:59:22	Hamled	oh yeah that is a good point
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2021-10-21 20:17:50	AlexC	is anyone having issues with pipewire or pulseaudio doesn't stay the selected in/output through reboots?
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2021-10-21 20:51:02	mingdao	Issues with pipewire show up in here quite frequently.
2021-10-21 20:51:47	dav1d	I have only good things to say about pipewire
2021-10-21 20:52:22	another|	for my simple use case it mostly just works
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2021-10-21 21:06:24	AlexC	ye I have multiple sources, in/out, whatever I choose, it wont stick it after a reboot
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2021-10-22 18:14:22	rawktucc	same error line as if I had symlinked libcurl
2021-10-22 18:15:07	Namarrgon	it can't be the same if the file is gone
2021-10-22 18:15:24	rawktucc	pid 74867 != 74857, skipping destruction (fork without exec?)
2021-10-22 18:15:37	rawktucc	there's some lines like that but otherwise nothing relevant
2021-10-22 18:16:33	rawktucc	that libminimum error happens both with symlinked libcurl and without a libcurl file present in the Tomb Raider folder
2021-10-22 18:16:36	rawktucc	this is frustrating
2021-10-22 18:18:21	rawktucc	maybe i need a copy of libcurl with versioned symboles
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2021-10-22 18:25:40	jonathon	have you tried with STEAM_RUNTIME_HEAVY? (uses native for newer libs, runtime for missing)
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2021-10-22 18:26:08	mefistofeles	jonathon: how does that work exactly?
2021-10-22 18:26:29	jonathon	`STEAM_RUNTIME_HEAVY=1 steam`
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2021-10-22 18:27:06	mefistofeles	hm interesting
2021-10-22 18:27:11	jonathon	uses native libs where available and newer, uses built-in if missing from the system (there might be some other magic there too, e.g. for missing symbols)
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2021-10-22 18:29:12	grazzolini	jonathon: you need more than just that
2021-10-22 18:29:22	grazzolini	which is why we have the steam-native script
2021-10-22 18:29:30	rawktucc	i modified the steam-native-runtime script from arch to use =1 on heavy
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2021-10-22 18:29:47	rawktucc	same ldap_r and lber errors
2021-10-22 18:29:51	jonathon	hmm 🤔
2021-10-22 18:30:04	grazzolini	rawktucc: 1 for heavy means use the libs from steam
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2021-10-22 18:30:19	rawktucc	also steam keeps counting my playtime every time I launch the game
2021-10-22 18:30:25	rawktucc	so soon I'll hit the 2 hour "refund limit"
2021-10-22 18:30:37	grazzolini	rawktucc: so?
2021-10-22 18:30:44	rawktucc	so I might be refunding it
2021-10-22 18:30:55	rawktucc	I want to launch it and check if you're forced to create an epic account or if there's some kind of workaround
2021-10-22 18:31:01	rawktucc	it's all listed as forced but Im sure there's a bypass
2021-10-22 18:31:20	SysGhost	tried using a Lutris script to get it working?
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2021-10-22 18:31:50	grazzolini	rawktucc: so, you want to cheat the steam system for counting play time? and you think you can do that by tweaking native stuff?
2021-10-22 18:32:15	rawktucc	No, I don't want to cheat playtime, I want to avoid racking up playtime when Im not even playing it
2021-10-22 18:32:29	rawktucc	why should it increment 1 more minute when the game is launched and stopped in under 3 seconds
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2021-10-22 18:32:51	grazzolini	rawktucc: probably because it has 1 minute as minimum?
2021-10-22 18:32:59	rawktucc	yes, which is unfortunate
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2021-10-22 18:33:08	grazzolini	rawktucc: and has no relation at all with arch
2021-10-22 18:33:10	SysGhost	is it the very old first "Tomb Raider" from ages ago? Or the modern version of "Tomb Raider"?
2021-10-22 18:33:17	rawktucc	Tomb Raider (2013)
2021-10-22 18:33:31	jonathon	oh... so not the native version.
2021-10-22 18:33:32	rawktucc	grazzolini, yes, so let's move back to troubleshooting. or not because im finished right now
2021-10-22 18:33:43	rawktucc	Tomb Raider (2013) NATIVE for Linux from Feral Interactive
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2021-10-22 18:34:14	rawktucc	https://lutris.net/games/install/2054/view there is nothing else in this script. The game is only officially supported on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. I had it running on my arch install a while ago, not sure what could have changed so drastically to cause it to stop working
2021-10-22 18:34:24	SysGhost	maybe try the Windows version through proton.
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2021-10-22 18:34:28	rawktucc	thanks for the troubleshooting help everyone so far. I'm gonna stop right now because this is a bit futile. I may post on the forums
2021-10-22 18:34:40	rawktucc	SysGhost, I might, given it seems all versions are updated now to use the EOS thing
2021-10-22 18:34:45	jonathon	also just to make sure, have you checked https://www.protondb.com/search?q=tomb%20raider ?
2021-10-22 18:34:57	docmax	how can i disable kernel preemption?
2021-10-22 18:34:58	rawktucc	jonathon, I was attempting to run the native Linux version
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2021-10-22 18:35:15	jonathon	yes, there are some tips there still for the native version
2021-10-22 18:35:17	rawktucc	Tomb Raider (2013), Rise, and Shadow (sequels), are all native for Linux, with Shadow of the Tomb Raider being native AND vulkan only
2021-10-22 18:35:23	jonathon	but also, if that doesn't work then proton is an option
2021-10-22 18:35:34	rawktucc	"Runs great out of the box. Native version has slightly better framerate at max settings but at medium proton performs better."
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2021-10-22 18:36:31	rawktucc	Sounds as though through proton it's even better.... so... I think that's it everyone. Thanks for the help again :)
2021-10-22 18:36:33	SysGhost	docmax: Not sure. Tried the kernel command line option? preempt=none
2021-10-22 18:36:37	◣	zro (~zro@user/zro) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2021-10-22 18:37:11	docmax	yes is did.. shouldn't "PREEMPT" disappera in uname -a?
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2021-10-22 18:37:52	susi	probably won't disappear
2021-10-22 18:38:07	horseface	hey guys my USB stick is mounting in read-only mode, and i cannot fix it!
2021-10-22 18:38:13	horseface	does anybody know what is up with this thing?
2021-10-22 18:38:18	horseface	:-| !!!
2021-10-22 18:38:39	susi	horseface: probably somehow corrupted fs, have you run fsck on it
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2021-10-22 18:38:52	horseface	okay
2021-10-22 18:38:54	horseface	i will..
2021-10-22 18:39:28	docmax	then i dowt know how do check if preempt is disabled
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2021-10-22 18:40:20	SysGhost	For starters, why do you need to disable it?
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2021-10-22 18:40:56	MacGyver	horseface: What's supposed to be *on* your USB stick?
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2021-10-22 18:41:11	horseface	i am backing up certain things to reinstall...
2021-10-22 18:41:23	horseface	there's something seriously wrong with my computer!
2021-10-22 18:41:24	horseface	:-|
2021-10-22 18:41:31	SysGhost	horseface: Just curious. Did you get that microsoft surface lappy to properly work with the keyboard?
2021-10-22 18:41:37	docmax	SysGhost, there is an issue with qemu/kvm
2021-10-22 18:41:42	horseface	yes, the k/b is working. :-)
2021-10-22 18:41:47	◣	fcinq (~irc@network.g33k.host) ha salido (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2021-10-22 18:41:49	SysGhost	\o/
2021-10-22 18:41:55	horseface	haha
2021-10-22 18:42:21	susi	horseface be good ok???
2021-10-22 18:42:33	horseface	haha
2021-10-22 18:42:34	horseface	ye
2021-10-22 18:42:52	SysGhost	Was it the "Microsoft Surface Pro 2" or.. Book 2?
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2021-10-22 18:45:37	SysGhost	docmax: I see. Well.. So the issue don't go away when you boot with preempt=none set?
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2021-10-22 18:47:02	horseface	yes, book 2.
2021-10-22 18:47:09	horseface	hey...
2021-10-22 18:47:25	horseface	it seems that i cannot fix it using this usb using fsck or es2k whatever it is...
2021-10-22 18:47:26	horseface	omg
2021-10-22 18:48:12	SysGhost	Could mena the controller have locked the stick in read only mode as it detected an internal problem.
2021-10-22 18:48:25	horseface	yes, i see...
2021-10-22 18:48:27	horseface	fucking wow.
2021-10-22 18:48:37	horseface	i needed it to reinstall!
2021-10-22 18:48:47	horseface	now i need to wait until 0600 when the store opens!
2021-10-22 18:48:51	horseface	it is 0348.
2021-10-22 18:49:03	SysGhost	got an android phone?
2021-10-22 18:49:05	MacGyver	chmod 0600 store
2021-10-22 18:49:09	SysGhost	^
2021-10-22 18:49:14	SysGhost	!grab MacGyver
2021-10-22 18:49:14	phrik	SysGhost: Bazinga!
2021-10-22 18:49:22	MacGyver	!context
2021-10-22 18:49:23	phrik	Most quotes aren't funny with it
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2021-10-22 18:49:34	MacGyver	There's a sizeable selection of quotes that aren't funny *without* it.
2021-10-22 18:49:35	horseface	yes, i do.
2021-10-22 18:49:36	MacGyver	Like that one.
2021-10-22 18:49:36	horseface	SysGhost 
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2021-10-22 18:49:55	SysGhost	horseface: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.softwarebakery.drivedroid&hl=en&gl=US
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2021-10-22 18:50:27	SysGhost	turns your phone into bootable media with any Linux based ISO
2021-10-22 18:50:45	horseface	oh kewl...
2021-10-22 18:50:46	SysGhost	I think it has some capacity to wrk even non-rooted. Lemme check
2021-10-22 18:50:48	horseface	but it needs root.
2021-10-22 18:50:51	horseface	i am going to cry!
2021-10-22 18:51:51	SysGhost	sdcard maybe?
2021-10-22 18:52:17	horseface	i don't have one...
2021-10-22 18:52:20	SysGhost	seems drivedroid do require root indeed
2021-10-22 18:52:21	⚡ 	horseface weeps
2021-10-22 18:52:24	MacGyver	horseface: Go to bed. Get up in the morning, store's open then, go buy a new USB stick.
2021-10-22 18:52:25	SysGhost	*hmmm*
2021-10-22 18:52:31	horseface	oh yes..
2021-10-22 18:52:34	horseface	i cannot sleep.
2021-10-22 18:52:35	MacGyver	horseface: You need to sleep at *some* point.
2021-10-22 18:52:40	horseface	i took too much medication.
2021-10-22 18:52:41	horseface	etc
2021-10-22 18:52:49	SysGhost	horseface: Can't sleep? Reat the Gentoo install guide.
2021-10-22 18:52:53	horseface	ahah
2021-10-22 18:52:54	horseface	<
2021-10-22 18:52:54	SysGhost	read*
2021-10-22 18:52:56	horseface	3
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2021-10-22 18:53:28	horseface	i am just going to stare at my feet for two hours.
2021-10-22 18:53:29	horseface	brb
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2021-10-22 18:57:37	SysGhost	DVD burner?
2021-10-22 18:57:49	SysGhost	at least you have on of those?
2021-10-22 18:59:58	SysGhost	phrik: is horseface starting at the feet now?
2021-10-22 18:59:59	phrik	Arguably so!
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2021-10-22 19:01:41	horseface	hah=
2021-10-22 19:01:42	horseface	i am!
2021-10-22 19:01:44	horseface	i wa.
2021-10-22 19:01:45	horseface	s
2021-10-22 19:01:52	horseface	i am bored.
2021-10-22 19:02:17	horseface	and my laptop doesn't have an ODD, lol.
2021-10-22 19:02:18	horseface	;_;
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2021-10-22 19:02:45	horseface	i am just going to take it easy until the store opens... probably like y'know.
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2021-10-22 19:02:56	horseface	be law-abiding.
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2021-10-22 19:24:45	Sir_Andrei	No, those aren't the same.
2021-10-22 19:24:50	MacGyver	Then you need to reboot.
2021-10-22 19:24:56	Sir_Andrei	uname -r throws 5.14.9-arch2-1
2021-10-22 19:24:56	MacGyver	And after that your problems will magically go away.
2021-10-22 19:25:10	MacGyver	Long answer:
2021-10-22 19:25:13	Sir_Andrei	And pacman -Q linux throws linux 5.14.12.arch1-1
2021-10-22 19:25:36	MacGyver	You do need some module, I think it's technically called net-tuntap.ko or something, and that's not *yet* loaded.
2021-10-22 19:25:49	MacGyver	You've updated your kernel without rebooting, and Arch doesn't ship versioned kernels.
2021-10-22 19:26:01	MacGyver	That also means it doesn't ship versioned *modules*.
2021-10-22 19:26:12	jab416171	reinstalling dmenu fixed it...
2021-10-22 19:26:19	MacGyver	There simply isn't any module present *to* load for 5.14.9 on your system anymore.
2021-10-22 19:26:36	MacGyver	You need to reboot to 5.14.12 and then it'll be able to continue.
2021-10-22 19:27:17	Sir_Andrei	@MacGyver, thx. I'll do that.
2021-10-22 19:28:15	MacGyver	But in general I advice people to move towards a macvtap for guests, macvtun for host setup -- except if they're using NetworkManager because that doesn't support that setup.
2021-10-22 19:29:16	Sir_Andrei	I am using NM
2021-10-22 19:29:25	Sir_Andrei	On the host side. I mean, not in the VM
2021-10-22 19:29:44	okhsunrog	sometimes I have suspend issues with my AMD ATI Radeon HD 5750. it shows just black screen after waking up. I tried booting from live usb with fedora linux and didn't face any issues. should I try compiling kernel from kernel.org?
2021-10-22 19:30:03	MacGyver	Sir_Andrei: Then that won't work for you.
2021-10-22 19:30:03	okhsunrog	maybe it's arch linux patches causing the issue
2021-10-22 19:30:42	MacGyver	What patches?
2021-10-22 19:31:30	okhsunrog	idk. arch linux applies some patches to kernel, doesn't it? or there might be something in kernel configuration 
2021-10-22 19:31:49	okhsunrog	maybe building kernel with different config might help
2021-10-22 19:32:28	jkc	You're kinda shooting in the dark.
2021-10-22 19:32:59	MacGyver	okhsunrog: Well, no.
2021-10-22 19:33:04	MacGyver	That was kind of the point of my question.
2021-10-22 19:33:20	MacGyver	Arch linux *doesn't* patch the kernel except where absolutely essential.
2021-10-22 19:33:30	MacGyver	There's like, five at any given time at most.
2021-10-22 19:34:11	susi	MacGyver: are you using something other than NM for networking?
2021-10-22 19:34:15	MacGyver	If patches are in any way related to your issue, the more likely cause is that Fedora is actually patching support *into* their kernel.
2021-10-22 19:34:26	MacGyver	susi: systemd-networkd for machines where I run this setup.
2021-10-22 19:36:33	jab416171	when I try to use systemd with mkinitcpio I don't get a password prompt so loading the file system fails... here's my normal hooks and then the hooks I tried for systemd: HOOKS=(base udev keyboard autodetect keymap consolefont numlock modconf block mdadm_udev encrypt lvm2 filesystems fsck)
2021-10-22 19:36:37	jab416171	HOOKS=(base systemd keyboard autodetect sd-vconsole numlock modconf block mdadm_udev sd-encrypt lvm2 filesystems fsck)
2021-10-22 19:37:17	MacGyver	okhsunrog: I could be mistaken in my interpretation of the PKGBUILD and directory structure of the package repo, but it looks like we're currently not running any patches against mainline.
2021-10-22 19:37:42	grazzolini	jab416171: did you set the appropriate kernel cmdline parameters? like rd.luks, etc?
2021-10-22 19:37:58	jab416171	I didn't change the cmdline
2021-10-22 19:39:37	jab416171	is the uuid the same as the uuid for root?
2021-10-22 19:39:42	jab416171	or is it the actual encrypted volume
2021-10-22 19:42:54	jab416171	thanks that worked grazzolini 
2021-10-22 19:42:56	okhsunrog	MacGyver: maybe I should try linux-zen or anything like that? 
2021-10-22 19:43:05	grazzolini	jab416171: yw
2021-10-22 19:43:16	MacGyver	okhsunrog: You *could* try other kernels.
2021-10-22 19:43:28	MacGyver	Seems like a sensible troubleshooting step, sure.
2021-10-22 19:43:39	okhsunrog	Another question. Could it be that suspend works with Gnome and fails to work with Sway WM?
2021-10-22 19:43:51	grazzolini	jab416171: also, I suggest you keep the cryptdevice= parameter for a while, in case you need/want to got back to the base mkinitcpio
2021-10-22 19:45:11	jab416171	oh I did keep it
2021-10-22 19:45:14	jab416171	I didn't realize I could remove it
2021-10-22 19:51:20	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-10-22 19:51:56	okhsunrog	MacGyver: yeah, no patches are appied in the PKGBUILD, it just takes sources from https://github.com/archlinux/linux which is already patched kernel sources, as I understand from the repo description
2021-10-22 19:52:50	jkc	okhsunrog: That repo is nothing but a fork of the kernel upstream. You can see from the commits that none have been made after forking from the Linux project itself.
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2021-10-22 19:55:58	Foxboron	jkc: not really true. Look at the tags, not the branches
2021-10-22 19:55:59	Foxboron	https://github.com/archlinux/linux/commits/v5.14.14-arch1
2021-10-22 19:56:11	Foxboron	6 patches applied to the current release
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2021-10-22 19:56:51	jkc	I think github may be screwed up for me atm then because it showed no tags at all
2021-10-22 19:57:08	jkc	And by "for me" I mean "my browser session."
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2021-10-22 19:58:03	Foxboron	:)
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2021-10-22 20:01:42	jcbjoe2021	hi all how do i get xrandr to save my settings when i log in and out of my X session. im using gdm and i3
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2021-10-22 20:03:19	jcbjoe2021	currently looking at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/xrandr
2021-10-22 20:03:20	phrik	Title: xrandr - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-22 20:03:34	Foxboron	what settings?
2021-10-22 20:03:53	jcbjoe2021	xrandr so i can have a set resolution when i login. the resolution i have right now i don't like
2021-10-22 20:04:18	Foxboron	You can use a script, arandr, you can use xorg configs as well.
2021-10-22 20:04:35	jcbjoe2021	the script sounds good. is it on the wiki?
2021-10-22 20:04:53	Foxboron	I personally use grobi as I switch between multiple docks and screens, also packaged it up for community. https://github.com/fd0/grobi
2021-10-22 20:05:01	Foxboron	"use a script" as-in "write one yourself"
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2021-10-22 20:05:31	susi	>go
2021-10-22 20:05:36	jcbjoe2021	oh i suck at everything. just looking to see if there is something i can just use
2021-10-22 20:05:53	okhsunrog	jcbjoe2021: sway wm can set resolution and frame rate. why using i3 in 2021?
2021-10-22 20:06:10	Foxboron	susi: ?
2021-10-22 20:06:11	susi	because: effort to switch to wayland
2021-10-22 20:06:19	jcbjoe2021	okhsunrog: don't know i just installed it was recommended it. tired of gnome
2021-10-22 20:07:03	Foxboron	I don't understand why people pain things as superior. Wayland doesn't support KVM switching like barrier/synergy
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2021-10-22 20:07:09	Foxboron	s/pain/paint/
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2021-10-22 20:07:55	okhsunrog	well, I never needed it anyway
2021-10-22 20:08:35	Foxboron	Good for you :)
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2021-10-22 20:09:46	susi	pretty cool stuff that synergy/barrier
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2021-10-22 20:10:56	AMDIsOurLord	Maybe when Nvidia releases v495 final, and they finally support GBM, the last remaining stronghold of X diminishes and we would get more dev on Wayland implementations, you know all the missing tricks X.Org has up their sleeve
2021-10-22 20:11:00	keir	jcbjoe2021: add the command you wrote for xrandr into an .xprofile file
2021-10-22 20:11:16	keir	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xprofile
2021-10-22 20:11:18	phrik	Title: xprofile - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-22 20:11:25	Foxboron	Extremely practical if you use multiple computers and share one or more screens. I personally have a windows machine I play games on and switching one screen to windows and adjusting the layout with grobi is great
2021-10-22 20:11:46	keir	jcbjoe2021: .xprofile is a shell script that's ran at the start of your X session
2021-10-22 20:12:17	keir	you can put any commands there you want to be ran at the start of your session
2021-10-22 20:12:52	jcbjoe2021	ok i just put it in there. now login and out right keir ?
2021-10-22 20:13:35	keir	jcbjoe2021: should work. if not, it may be because GDM needs to be restarted as well, so a full reboot in that case.
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2021-10-22 20:15:58	jcbjoe2021	ok let me reboot
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2021-10-22 20:16:19	keir	jcbjoe2021: i'm guessing Xft.dpi wasn't what you were looking for?
2021-10-22 20:16:46	keir	.h
2021-10-22 20:16:52	keir	ignore my h
2021-10-22 20:18:27	jcbjoe2021	keir: can you link me again? i will try it
2021-10-22 20:18:58	keir	jcbjoe2021: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/HiDPI#X_Resources
2021-10-22 20:19:00	phrik	Title: HiDPI - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-10-22 20:19:27	keir	`Xft.dpi: 192` will give you 200% scaling
2021-10-22 20:20:13	jcbjoe2021	keir: i want like 180 probably
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2021-10-22 20:21:11	jcbjoe2021	let me try 192 and see what happens
2021-10-22 20:21:20	keir	jcbjoe2021: that would be 172.80
2021-10-22 20:21:32	keir	round up or down as you please
2021-10-22 20:21:51	jcbjoe2021	yea thanks keir 200 is way to big
2021-10-22 20:22:09	jcbjoe2021	keir: how are you calculating it?
2021-10-22 20:22:34	keir	jcbjoe2021: as the wiki points out, it's multiples of 96
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2021-10-22 20:22:58	keir	so i just did 80% of 96 and added that to 96
2021-10-22 20:23:01	keir	maf :-)
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2021-10-22 20:24:19	⚡ 	jcbjoe2021 hates math yea i got bad grades
2021-10-22 20:24:38	keir	172.80 would be 180%
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2021-10-22 20:24:51	keir	round up or down
2021-10-22 20:24:57	keir	172 maybe?
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2021-10-22 20:25:27	jcbjoe2021	yea let me try
2021-10-22 20:25:59	jcbjoe2021	yea thats decent
2021-10-22 20:26:46	teraflops	!help dpi
2021-10-22 20:26:47	phrik	teraflops: (dpi <an alias on #archlinux, 3 arguments>) -- Alias for "math calc floor((sqrt($1**2 + $2**2) / $3 * 100) + 0.5) / 100".
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2021-10-22 20:29:19	susi	!dpi 1 2 3
2021-10-22 20:29:19	phrik	susi: 0.75
2021-10-22 20:29:37	ℹ 	cn1 es conocido ahora como cn
2021-10-22 20:29:46	keir	susi: you'll need a magnifiying glass to see that
2021-10-22 20:30:08	keir	maybe even a microscope
2021-10-22 20:30:11	teraflops	!dpi 1024 768 15
2021-10-22 20:30:12	phrik	teraflops: 85.33
2021-10-22 20:30:20	teraflops	something like that
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2021-10-22 20:31:51	susi	well, I'm using 32767 x 32767 anyways
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2021-10-22 20:32:16	teraflops	last param inches of screen
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2021-10-22 20:33:25	AMDIsOurLord	!dpi 3840 2160 15.6
2021-10-22 20:33:27	phrik	AMDIsOurLord: 282.42
2021-10-22 20:33:32	AMDIsOurLord	Cool
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2021-10-22 20:35:34	jcbjoe2021	Thanks again keir :D
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2021-10-22 20:35:56	susi	xrandr reports my dimensions as 310 x 170, but when I measure myself, it's more like 312 x 176 :o
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2021-10-22 20:38:11	ℹ 	polve2 es conocido ahora como polve
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2021-10-22 20:38:19	demonicmaniac	susi: even if any cable supported it that would still be 10 fps via hdmi 2.1 due to bandwidth :P
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2021-10-22 20:43:04	susi	do you guys think I should change the 'default' 310 mm x 170 mm to the measured 312 mm x 176 mm?
2021-10-22 20:43:34	susi	175 mm*
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2021-10-22 20:44:53	susi	actually it's 313 mm x 176 mm, would it benefit to switch?
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2021-10-22 20:48:59	marcello42	hey guys, I encountered something strange I do not understand. I plugged in a new Keyboard and it does not work at all. I the BIOS it works without any problems and after a free tries I tried it with the GRUB option "Fallback InitramFS" and there it works. Restared in normal - again keystrokes are not registered. What could be the problem? Running latest Arch stock Kernel - Keyboard is via USB
2021-10-22 20:48:59	marcello42	Lenovo with trackball
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2021-10-22 20:49:33	Namarrgon	where does it not work? in the initramfs?
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2021-10-22 20:50:13	marcello42	everywhere in Plasma even LUKS decrypt
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2021-10-22 20:57:22	marcello42	I guess the drivers aren't loaded then, but how can I find out which driver is needed and add it during the boot process?
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2021-10-22 21:00:27	Sir_Andrei	I am back
2021-10-22 21:00:53	Sir_Andrei	Well @MacGyver. I rebooted, But after an hour I still could not configure the network on the QEMU VM
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2021-10-22 21:07:03	WhyNotHugo	mkinitcpio is so much faster than dracut, it's ridiculous.
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2021-10-22 21:08:22	susi	is it possible to have to have the usb kb 'mounted' when building initcpio, that the hooks build the needed driver in the initramfs?
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2021-10-22 21:17:20	marcello42	re
2021-10-22 21:17:26	marcello42	I kinda found a workaround so far
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2021-10-22 21:21:30	Namarrgon	marcello42: move the keyboard hook to the left of the autodetect hook and rebuild the initramfs
2021-10-22 21:21:50	marcello42	Namarrgon, that is exactly what I did :)
2021-10-22 21:22:20	marcello42	but would be nicer to have the exact driver loaded but I won't bother for now thanks!
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2021-10-22 21:23:24	marcello42	I noticed I have btrfs as module in the mkinitcpio does any knows if those modules are also going into the fallback image?
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2021-10-22 21:37:29	feinedsquirrel	what is the name for a dependency that doesn't explicity exist, but has multiple "or"s that satisfy it? e.g. python-pyqtgraph https://archlinux.org/packages/community/any/python-pyqtgraph/ lists qt5-python-bindings as a dep, but there are a couple different packages that it refers to in an "or" fashion. Is there a name for that?
2021-10-22 21:37:32	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - python-pyqtgraph 0.11.1-1 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2021-10-22 21:38:50	ping2000	meta package?
2021-10-22 21:39:33	Namarrgon	it depends on a virtual package, so "virtual dependency"?
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2021-10-22 21:40:49	Namarrgon	marcello42: the only difference between the rgular image and the fallback image is that the latter skips the 'autodetect' hook
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2021-10-22 21:42:05	feinedsquirrel	ping2000: Namarrgon: just skimmed the meta package wiki page, don't think it is exactly what I'm thinking. Looking up virtual dep now
2021-10-22 21:42:19	Sir_Andrei	qemu-system-x86_64: -netdev tap,id=network0,ifname=tap0,script=no,downscript=no: could not configure /dev/net/tun (tap0): Operation not permitted
2021-10-22 21:42:37	Sir_Andrei	People, Well. I am having that error. I have the tun module loaded, bridge-utils installed, kernel updated...
2021-10-22 21:42:40	Namarrgon	feinedsquirrel: a meta-package is a package that contains no files but pulls in other packages as dependencies
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2021-10-22 21:45:47	feinedsquirrel	Namarrgon: Yeah, that is what I understood. And virtual package is the correct term to what I'm thinking of. I maintain an AUR package that could use this. I currently list in the optdeps the 3 different packages that can be chosen, and in the .install I tell the user to make sure they have one of them installed (specifically mariadb, postgresql, or sqlite) Is there a way to search virtual ...
2021-10-22 21:46:25	feinedsquirrel	... packages to see if one already exists for "database" or something? And if there is not one, how do I create one?
2021-10-22 21:46:44	Namarrgon	feinedsquirrel: these three aren't exaclty drop-in replacements, you won't find a common provide for this
2021-10-22 21:47:14	Namarrgon	feinedsquirrel: in this case it's fine to have them as opt-deps
2021-10-22 21:48:56	Namarrgon	feinedsquirrel: virtual-packages/provides can be searched for the same way as any regular package
2021-10-22 21:49:12	Namarrgon	Sir_Andrei: how did you create the tap device?
2021-10-22 21:49:20	feinedsquirrel	hm, good point. there could be one for mysql to mariadb, but probably not postgresql and sqlite, eh. Ok, sounds good. Thanks! ... and yes, just realizing that.
2021-10-22 21:49:30	Namarrgon	right
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2021-10-22 21:49:53	marcello42	Namarrgon, thanks!
2021-10-22 21:49:54	Namarrgon	they could provide something like DATABASE but that would probably confuse people more
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2021-10-22 21:51:16	feinedsquirrel	Yeah, I could see that.
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2021-10-22 21:51:46	Sir_Andrei	@Namarrgon: sudo ip tuntap add dev tap0 mode tap group users
2021-10-22 21:52:22	Namarrgon	"id" lists the "users" group?
2021-10-22 21:52:28	feinedsquirrel	oh, and it is created by the "provides" list, not by submitting a package with the virtual name.
2021-10-22 21:52:43	Sir_Andrei	@Namarrgon gid=985(users) Yes
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2021-10-22 21:58:22	ascor	Hi. Pacman asks me if I would like to "Replace nerd-fonts-iosevka with community/ttf-iosevka-nerd?" every upgrade. I don't want to do that. Getting the right font was a major pain and upgrading breaks my setup (aesthetically). Is there a way to not get prompted anymore?
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2021-10-23 03:46:57	ReactorScram	I've gotten my computer into a pickle. Yesterday I did `pikaur -Syu` and rebooted, and it didn't come back from the reboot. Right now it's in a LiveUSB environment. I backed up my important passwords and stuff. The drives themselves appear okay. But LVM is acting funny
2021-10-23 03:48:04	ReactorScram	Every time the LiveUSB env comes up, my LVM volume group is locked. So normal commands just hang, and Ctrl+C says .. well now it's acting different
2021-10-23 03:48:25	ReactorScram	I think it could be related to the 100% full LVM snapshot I accidentally left open, but I'm not sure
2021-10-23 03:49:51	ReactorScram	okay I was able to remove the snapshot. Previously that command failed because I couldn't figure out how to break the lock. (Searching for locks and LVM returned bizarre results on DDG and Google, as if nobody ever had this problem
2021-10-23 03:50:35	ReactorScram	Now it's up fine! Guess i just needed to boot into a LiveUSB, panic slightly for 3 hours, reboot, and wait 15 minutes to remove that snapshot.
2021-10-23 03:50:46	ReactorScram	thanks for the rubber ducking everyone
2021-10-23 03:51:15	jkhsjdhjs	np
2021-10-23 03:51:24	NetSysFire	now create proper backups
2021-10-23 03:55:56	ReactorScram	Yeah... well it's hard. But I finally have a plan, I'm gonna use SyncThing to set up a pull-only backup server
2021-10-23 03:56:18	ReactorScram	to prevent a repeat of that case where my backups were mounted under $HOME and I deleted home and all the backups at once
2021-10-23 03:56:32	jkhsjdhjs	xD
2021-10-23 03:57:52	NetSysFire	ReactorScram: https://github.com/borgbackup/borg
2021-10-23 03:57:56	NetSysFire	resistance is futile
2021-10-23 03:58:04	NetSysFire	supports append-only
2021-10-23 03:59:41	ReactorScram	yeah I've used borg but I don't want to set up SSH just for backups, seems like overkill.
2021-10-23 04:00:39	ReactorScram	there's probably some very clever way to sandbox it, but I don't like that messing with OpenSSH is a system-wide root-level thing by default. Maybe inside a container...
2021-10-23 04:01:03	ReactorScram	actually there must be an image already for a Borg SSH server. Never thought to look
2021-10-23 04:01:29	walewoo	btw i use arch
2021-10-23 04:08:38	jkc	ReactorScram: What?
2021-10-23 04:08:43	NetSysFire	ReactorScram: the server doesnt even require root but yes you can sandbox the client
2021-10-23 04:09:13	NetSysFire	you should run the client with capabilities which allow it to read every file though so you can backup everything in most cases
2021-10-23 04:10:27	ReactorScram	I mean that I don't like dealing with system-wide SSH. Cause then I'll have to be like "okay, this user is for borg so that if a hacker breaks into that they can't gain sudo on my server... these SSH configs are for borg..." stuff scattered all over. The xeor/borg image on Dockerhub looks like what I have in mind. It can run the server inside a container and then write out to a volume
2021-10-23 04:11:06	jkc	ReactorScram: ... What are you going on about? Disable password login, key only, set up a borg user, configure an ssh key, and call it a day?
2021-10-23 04:11:13	jkc	This is not that complex.
2021-10-23 04:11:54	ReactorScram	setting up a user is annoying, and I don't like when I do some special config to a system and then like 3 years later I don't know how I did it and I can't move it to another system because it's all one-offs. With a container it'll be contained
2021-10-23 04:12:04	jkc	What?
2021-10-23 04:12:28	jkc	Disabling password login and configuring an ssh key for a user is not a "special config."
2021-10-23 04:13:23	jkc	This is *not that complex*.
2021-10-23 04:16:01	NetSysFire	yeah
2021-10-23 04:17:31	jkc	"setting up a user is annoying" - one command is that bad? I didn't realize that user creation was tantamount to discovering the graviton.
2021-10-23 04:17:58	ReactorScram	It is. Decades of labor
2021-10-23 04:18:25	jkc	Anyway, you can overcomplicate the HELL out of your stuff if you reeeeeally want to, but its actually an extremely simple solution.
2021-10-23 04:18:43	jkc	Simple solutions tend to be more stable, easier to maintain, and more secure. Just sayin'.
2021-10-23 04:19:15	ReactorScram	there are also different kinds of simplicity. Like Rust vs. Go
2021-10-23 04:21:04	NetSysFire	!bail
2021-10-23 04:21:04	phrik	Looks like NetSysFire is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2021-10-23 04:24:25	kevr	also, sometimes people reduce ccomplexity so much that they lose features. that's a big problem i see with folks who say "KISS" all the time and don't think about what would make the product properly usable
2021-10-23 04:24:32	kevr	it's important to think about what you're simplifying
2021-10-23 04:24:40	kevr	not just blanket use simplification for everything.
2021-10-23 04:25:15	kevr	that being said, simplifying things are of course beautiful, like you say.
2021-10-23 04:25:30	ReactorScram	yes we can all agree that simplicity is good
2021-10-23 04:25:36	kevr	as long as you're making something complicated simpler, but not losing features that are needed.
2021-10-23 04:26:53	jkc	kevr: I considered that in this case before saying it.
2021-10-23 04:27:00	kevr	jkc++
2021-10-23 04:27:07	jkc	ReactorScram: Then stop trying to rube goldberg ... goldborg ... what you're doing.
2021-10-23 04:27:50	jkc	Create a user. ssh key. Disable password login. Borg it up. Done.
2021-10-23 04:28:06	kevr	ReactorScram: You can do this super easily using `ssh-copy-id` before you disable your password, then just disable PasswordAuthentication in sshd's config.
2021-10-23 04:28:10	jkc	^
2021-10-23 04:28:39	kevr	your data will also be extremely more protected in comparison
2021-10-23 04:29:57	ReactorScram	compared to what? Password login?
2021-10-23 04:30:45	jkc	Or any other means of authentication, frankly.
2021-10-23 04:31:00	jkc	At least until RSA/ECDSA is broken, which is a quantum question.
2021-10-23 04:31:38	ReactorScram	is ssh-copy-id much different from copy-pasting the public key myself?
2021-10-23 04:32:01	jkc	No, it just automates the creation of the authorized_keys file and ensures that permissions are correct.
2021-10-23 04:32:55	jkc	If you're comfortable doing that yourself, go nuts.
2021-10-23 04:33:22	jkc	I like using it, it saves me steps.
2021-10-23 04:36:09	ReactorScram	I may do the regular approach to get started. We'll see what happens. I haven't even got an OS I like on the server yet. It's finicky hardware, very cheap
2021-10-23 04:36:27	jkc	That's not a starting point. That is THE solution.
2021-10-23 04:36:30	kevr	all ssh-copy-id does is make sure that the public key that ssh is configured to use (~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub by default). It is totally possible to copy your id_rsa.pub and craft the authorized keys file by yourself.
2021-10-23 04:36:35	horseface	i finished reinstalling my system...
2021-10-23 04:36:36	horseface	:-D
2021-10-23 04:36:47	jkc	kevr: It also creates the .ssh directory, sets the correct permissions, etc.
2021-10-23 04:36:50	kevr	make sure that it is sent over and populate in the remote's authorized keys*
2021-10-23 04:36:57	kevr	jkc: true
2021-10-23 04:37:22	ReactorScram	yeah I see the utility now, just to make sure you don't copy the wrong key or copy the secret key or something
2021-10-23 04:40:47	kevr	lol sorry, i should have read the backlog; just repeated what jkc said in a much clearer way :P my bad.
2021-10-23 04:41:03	kevr	(i mean, his saying was clearer)
2021-10-23 04:44:32	jkhsjdhjs	hey, I have a davfs2 mount and some other mounted hdd, let's call the mountpoints /dav and /hdd. I want to record a stream with ffmpeg (segmented, 1h per video file) onto /dav. however, should the mount /dav fail for some reason (connection reset or whatever) I want to record to /hdd temporarily, until /dav is working again. then the temporarily recorded files on /hdd should be moved to /dav as
2021-10-23 04:44:32	jkhsjdhjs	well (and optimally merged with the partial recording already located in /dav). would unionfs or mergerfs be a good choice for this? or what is the functionality called that I'm looking for?
2021-10-23 04:46:00	ReactorScram	Any chance you could always record to /hdd, and have another process that tries to move completed files from /hdd to /dav?
2021-10-23 04:46:30	ReactorScram	or even mirror partial files, since a stream will just be appends
2021-10-23 04:46:31	jkhsjdhjs	also thought of that, I would prefer to only record to /hdd if necessary though
2021-10-23 05:03:06	Nomenclatura	!pun
2021-10-23 05:03:06	phrik	sudo pacman -U --noconfirm
2021-10-23 05:03:47	jkhsjdhjs	!pun
2021-10-23 05:03:47	phrik	sudo pacman -U --noconfirm
2021-10-23 07:27:47	horseface	what is the command to find how much RAM i have got exactly such that i may make a swap file of the exact same size?
2021-10-23 07:27:48	horseface	:-)
2021-10-23 07:28:48	mpan	horseface: the command to see a memory report is `free -h`. As for the part after the comma, though: there is no reason for swap to be the size of RAM.
2021-10-23 07:28:57	Dunce	You could probably find that with a simple search.
2021-10-23 07:29:09	Dunce	mpan, hibernation.
2021-10-23 07:29:15	horseface	it is so that i can successfully suspend to disk...
2021-10-23 07:29:18	horseface	yes
2021-10-23 07:29:20	mpan	Dunce: still what I said holds.
2021-10-23 07:29:28	horseface	:-S !!!
2021-10-23 07:30:12	mpan	Thre is no such thing as 100% success ratio for suspend-to-disk, no matter what size of swap you use. That’s because swap size itself is increasing the required size of the pessimistic case.
2021-10-23 07:30:42	Dunce	?
2021-10-23 07:30:47	mpan	For nearly-100% you need about as much swap as you use memory in nearly-100% cases. Memory, nor RAM.
2021-10-23 07:31:13	Dunce	That's so much more confusing than matching swap file/partition to RAM size.
2021-10-23 07:31:28	Dunce	Everyone has the storage capacity.
2021-10-23 07:31:36	mpan	But that is correct, instad of being a claim witout any foundations. :)
2021-10-23 07:32:12	Dunce	It isn't a claim, that's a widely accepted consensus.
2021-10-23 07:33:08	mpan	It’s not a consensus. And something being widely believed doesn’t imply it has any logical foundations. Most people around the world believe in some kind of deity, as an example.
2021-10-23 07:34:04	mpan	The amount you need is actually even less than what I said, because it’s being compressed. But that’s a different story.
2021-10-23 07:34:17	sourceforge	swapoff -a
2021-10-23 07:34:25	sourceforge	sysctl -w vm.swappiness=1
2021-10-23 07:34:28	sourceforge	ready.
2021-10-23 07:35:35	sourceforge	also you could do some clean ups
2021-10-23 07:35:41	sourceforge	sync; echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
2021-10-23 07:35:41	sourceforge	sync; echo 2 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
2021-10-23 07:35:42	sourceforge	sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
2021-10-23 07:35:53	sourceforge	:)
2021-10-23 07:36:10	sourceforge	just a joke.
2021-10-23 07:36:25	mpan	Dunce: you don’t need to believe me. Just notice that the “consensus” is somehow completely ommiting probability from the eqation. Something doesn’t add up, right?
2021-10-23 07:37:28	Dunce	Everything I said was fact. English may not be your first language, but I used consensus properly.
2021-10-23 07:38:09	mpan	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2021-10-23 07:38:11	mpan	!bail
2021-10-23 07:38:12	phrik	Looks like mpan is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2021-10-23 07:38:21	Dunce	!rainbow
2021-10-23 07:38:21	phrik	Dunce: rainbow <text>
2021-10-23 07:38:25	Dunce	Oof
2021-10-23 07:38:34	Dunce	!rainbow :3
2021-10-23 07:38:35	phrik	Dunce: :3
2021-10-23 07:56:13	ofou	oye por qué esta es la peor distro que existe? 
2021-10-23 07:56:56	Dunce	I think you're supposed to use English only.
2021-10-23 07:57:18	Dunce	Weirdly, I feel I can read whatever you're writing though.
2021-10-23 07:57:29	Dunce	Sort-of like you're asking why is this distro so good or bad?
2021-10-23 07:57:32	ofou	sorry sorry 
2021-10-23 07:57:37	ofou	i just get confused 
2021-10-23 07:57:40	ofou	my bad
2021-10-23 07:57:45	Dunce	It's all good.
2021-10-23 07:57:48	ofou	so bad really 
2021-10-23 07:58:03	Dunce	peor = bad
2021-10-23 07:58:04	Dunce	Right?
2021-10-23 07:58:19	ofou	i think so, but maybe I just had a bad experience 
2021-10-23 07:58:22	Dunce	So, you're asking why it's the worst distro essentially? That's sort-of up to the user.
2021-10-23 07:58:37	ofou	that's a fair translation 
2021-10-23 07:58:41	Dunce	Well, your experience is all that matters, so I'd say so.
2021-10-23 07:59:02	Dunce	Did you try using Arch as your first distro?
2021-10-23 07:59:22	ofou	why would you say are the pros of it? 
2021-10-23 07:59:38	ofou	it was Ubuntu 
2021-10-23 07:59:48	ofou	my first one
2021-10-23 08:01:01	ofou	I'll give it another try though 
2021-10-23 08:01:39	ofou	(sorry for spanish comment, it was intended for the spanish community)
2021-10-23 08:02:42	Dunce	I'm sorry for late response.
2021-10-23 08:03:05	Dunce	The pros of a distro will probably be subjective, based on what you're using it for.
2021-10-23 08:04:09	Dunce	I wanted to learn more about computers in general, so I chose Arch to force my hand in a way. If I got confused, I tried hard to find my answers in the wiki before asking. If I was looking for a distro for gaming, then I would probably use something else, for example. That's just me though.
2021-10-23 08:05:38	Dunce	What you need to realize is Linux isn't Windows, you may have grown up using that and you're used to things sort-of just "working." That will probably not be the case your first few times installing Arch.
2021-10-23 08:09:55	ofou	I heard that arch is the distro that Linus itself uses 
2021-10-23 08:10:36	ofou	is there so much difference between them really? 
2021-10-23 08:10:44	⚡ 	enyc meows
2021-10-23 08:10:56	thurstylark	he uses fedora or some rh flavor iirc
2021-10-23 08:11:04	thurstylark	he doesn't fuck with userland stuff so much
2021-10-23 08:11:11	ofou	I've used Ubuntu for a couple of years, but now I switched for macos
2021-10-23 08:11:22	Dunce	ofou, he uses Fedora.
2021-10-23 08:11:36	ofou	oooh you're right
2021-10-23 08:11:42	ofou	that was the one
2021-10-23 08:11:42	Dunce	Also, the differences between the distributions are huge.
2021-10-23 08:11:47	Dunce	Especially if you use different families.
2021-10-23 08:11:57	enyc	Dunce: funny thing is, for  pop-os-gaming  at least  asa distro  things sort-of-just "work"  a lot anyhow,  in ways moreso than windows installing,  depends on specifics of course but in ways that has changed.
2021-10-23 08:12:09	⚡ 	thurstylark moved to arch after getting fed up with fighting against ubuntu's defaults when customizing stuff
2021-10-23 08:12:48	ofou	i see 
2021-10-23 08:12:55	Dunce	Debian, Arch, and Fedora.
2021-10-23 08:13:00	thurstylark	I can't get enough of chimera os for gaming
2021-10-23 08:13:10	Dunce	Those are like what distros are based on, if I remember correctly.
2021-10-23 08:13:18	enyc	thurstylark: sure, makes sense.  Similarly some like mint or other derivs to change defaults for them in ways
2021-10-23 08:13:22	Dunce	There's a cool graph online about it.
2021-10-23 08:13:56	ofou	you guys just use arch? 
2021-10-23 08:14:21	Dunce	enyc, I didn't mean that all linux distros don't work out-the-box, but Arch is a little different. I'd recommend Manjaro to a new user, but people don't seem to like that here, so I lay off.
2021-10-23 08:15:01	Dunce	I would advise people to use something that just "works," and then transition with some experience using the command-line, etc.
2021-10-23 08:15:03	thurstylark	enyc: yeah, but it was more than just changing the defaults, it was the fact that there *were* defaults. If I had to change machines and couldn't properly transfer my environment, I would have to remember everything that I changed and re-do it. If I'm gonna be doing that, I might as well just remember everything I did to set up my arch install in the first place, and take advantage of the arch
2021-10-23 08:15:05	thurstylark	wiki directly to boot
2021-10-23 08:15:05	enyc	Dunce: I guess arch is somewhat gentoo-like or so, in that niche or so.
2021-10-23 08:15:28	Dunce	gentoo-like, but simpler, in my opinion.
2021-10-23 08:15:49	enyc	Dunce: hrrm [ok]
2021-10-23 08:16:09	Dunce	I wouldn't know, just to be clear.
2021-10-23 08:16:16	thurstylark	and like, it's not the answer to everything. I don't really want to fuck with a server like that too much, so I have debian servers in my personal fleet for some things
2021-10-23 08:16:18	Dunce	I read the wiki, and stuck with Arch.
2021-10-23 08:17:03	Dunce	Oh yeah, I wouldn't use Arch on a server.
2021-10-23 08:17:07	thurstylark	it's all about being the right solution to the problem
2021-10-23 08:18:12	thurstylark	!best
2021-10-23 08:18:13	phrik	Use whatever suits _you_ best.
2021-10-23 08:18:34	Dunce	ofou, nahhhhhhh.
2021-10-23 08:18:39	Dunce	Do what I say is best.
2021-10-23 08:18:41	Dunce	That's how you win.
2021-10-23 08:18:45	Dunce	:3
2021-10-23 08:22:42	thurstylark	I have arch servers in my fleet as well, it's just not the rule
2021-10-23 08:23:15	thurstylark	Depends on the purpose of the box. 
2021-10-23 09:22:44	horseface	hilo, i have got this red sign next to my gsconnect...
2021-10-23 09:22:45	horseface	https://i.ibb.co/bmb0Pdn/Screenshot-from-2021-10-23-18-21-07.png
2021-10-23 09:22:51	horseface	does anybody know what could be wrong?
2021-10-23 10:16:13	cyphertite	thurstylark:  are you running chimera os on bare metal or in a VM?
2021-10-23 10:16:25	thurstylark	bare metal
2021-10-23 10:16:38	cyphertite	nice...
2021-10-23 10:16:46	thurstylark	only way it's really meant, fwiw...
2021-10-23 10:17:36	cyphertite	yeah, I took a look at their site, and that's what I was thinking
2021-10-23 10:18:04	thurstylark	it's basically what SteamOS wanted to be, but couldn't
2021-10-23 11:10:34	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-23 11:35:39	GrayShade_	My mouse used to not work after resume, now I can't connect to it at all
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2021-10-23 11:42:32	Mysterytrain	I find bluetooth annoying as well. always have, no matter the platform
2021-10-23 11:42:47	Mysterytrain	IR is so much easier
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2021-10-23 11:45:47	GrayShade_	 Yeah, I used to find it annoying, this is plain broken.
2021-10-23 11:46:50	GrayShade_	At least I managed to make it work after unpairing both and restarting the mouse for the seventh time in a row
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2021-10-23 11:53:07	Mysterytrain	i recommend switching to a regular IR mouse. not helpful, but yeah lol
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2021-10-23 12:07:26	teraflops	bluetooth is one of these things that when you preform the same action over and over you cannot expect same result
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2021-10-23 13:05:26	Foxboron	Hmm, does it matter if my btrfs partition uses 4096 sector size while luks uses 512? nvme uses 512 native as well.
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2021-10-23 13:10:48	jelle	Foxboron: iirc zfsonlinux has a good entry about it
2021-10-23 13:10:59	⚡ 	jelle can't fid it
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2021-10-23 13:13:47	⚡ 	jelle thought it was here somewhere https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Performance%20and%20Tuning/Hardware.html?highlight=sector#nvme-low-level-formatting
2021-10-23 13:13:48	phrik	Title: Hardware — OpenZFS documentation (at openzfs.github.io)
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2021-10-23 13:19:17	Foxboron	jelle: nice, thanks
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2021-10-23 13:19:43	jelle	Foxboron: I recall you want 4096 all the way iirc but not 100% sure
2021-10-23 13:19:55	Foxboron	jelle: if you have an NVME that supports it probably
2021-10-23 13:20:00	Foxboron	neither laptops of mine has 4096, only 512
2021-10-23 13:20:06	jelle	why wouldn't it
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2021-10-23 13:20:17	Foxboron	cheap nvme?
2021-10-23 13:20:24	jelle	nvme-cli to check?
2021-10-23 13:20:29	Foxboron	yep
2021-10-23 13:20:40	jelle	Foxboron: is it format?
2021-10-23 13:20:57	Foxboron	i checked before formatting
2021-10-23 13:21:02	Foxboron	it only reports LBA with data size 512
2021-10-23 13:21:05	Foxboron	only one format :c
2021-10-23 13:21:33	⚡ 	jelle would be suprised hmm
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2021-10-23 13:29:32	demize	My Samsung NVMe SSD only offers 512 as well.  \o/
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2021-10-23 13:30:20	Foxboron	I'm bootstrapping my new computer by hacking up pacstrap to install my metapackages
2021-10-23 13:30:32	Foxboron	Also running makepkg as root with only my best hacks
2021-10-23 13:31:06	Foxboron	already broken the install media by partially installing make. A+ things
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2021-10-23 13:31:31	demize	:p
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2021-10-23 13:31:59	jelle	lol wiki says tho
2021-10-23 13:32:01	jelle	> Most SSDs report their sector size as 512 bytes, even though they use larger sectors - typically 4 kB, 8 kB, or sometimes larger. Because they report as 512 byte devices, filesystems cannot automatically optimise for the native sector size and this must be manually specified when creating a filesystem to avoid suboptimal performance.
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2021-10-23 13:32:42	Foxboron	But is that also true for NVMes?
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2021-10-23 13:33:23	jelle	oh next second shows how to fetch it for nvme
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2021-10-23 13:33:29	jelle	rip
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2021-10-23 13:50:21	jezebel	wasn't bios boot removed fom archlinux?
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2021-10-23 14:02:35	orangeFlu	ok, so i need help with something. basically i tried to set up a daily back-up kind of thing with rsync. This back-up is meant to be done on an hdd of mine. Check if hdd is present and mounted and make a back-up on it. Problem is, I didn't make a separate folder on the hdd for that, and when i tested it, it erased all my already existing files there
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2021-10-23 14:02:43	orangeFlu	What is there to do?
2021-10-23 14:03:01	orangeFlu	HDD was formatted NTFS before
2021-10-23 14:03:15	Namarrgon	try harder next time?
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2021-10-23 14:03:55	orangeFlu	Had among other things, some movies, a few game saves and most importantly, a password database for a wallet
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2021-10-23 14:04:20	Namarrgon	were these backups, too, or the originals?
2021-10-23 14:04:28	orangeFlu	Originals..
2021-10-23 14:04:37	Namarrgon	and you have no backups?
2021-10-23 14:05:02	orangeFlu	I don't know if it got to overwrite them to be honest, it didn't ran for long before i caught up on what was happening
2021-10-23 14:05:14	orangeFlu	No back-ups of the wallet, no
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2021-10-23 14:05:46	Namarrgon	you said tat it erased all your existing files
2021-10-23 14:06:04	Namarrgon	but you didn't check?
2021-10-23 14:06:24	orangeFlu	It did delete them in the sense that ls doesn't show them anymore
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2021-10-23 14:06:49	orangeFlu	But it didn't zero out the hard drive I would assume
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2021-10-23 14:07:06	orangeFlu	And they might still be recoverable with an utility, right?
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2021-10-23 14:33:00	orangeFlu	Well, thank you, it detected the wrong parition style the first way around, so I tried Intel/PC and it could undelete stuff
2021-10-23 14:33:13	orangeFlu	Bad part, it does seem that the database is lost
2021-10-23 14:33:42	orangeFlu	But I got back some of my gpg keys and a crypto wallet, so not all is lost
2021-10-23 14:33:47	orangeFlu	But thank you
2021-10-23 14:37:52	jkc	So, backups?
2021-10-23 14:40:29	orangeFlu	what do you mean?
2021-10-23 14:42:09	jkc	I assume you're going to start backing stuff up?
2021-10-23 14:43:04	jkc	Because after this experience, anything you choose not to back up, you're saying you could lose irretrievably at any time and not worry about it.
2021-10-23 14:45:56	orangeFlu	Oh, yeah, of course
2021-10-23 14:47:09	orangeFlu	Ironically, the whole problem stemmed from the fact that I was setting up a back-up script for my system, and the place I chose to back-up to, had files that were not backed up
2021-10-23 14:47:16	jkc	And as far as backups go, here's a rule of backups: If the same single event (e.g. your house burning down) can destroy both your actual data and your backups, then you don't have backups.
2021-10-23 14:47:20	orangeFlu	Really weird idea on my part
2021-10-23 14:47:47	orangeFlu	Yes, I know, this is just the first step, I am looking also for off-site back-ups
2021-10-23 14:48:11	jkc	How much actual data are you trying to back up? Not fs size, actual data.
2021-10-23 14:48:31	orangeFlu	Weirdly, it all started because I saw a guy on reddit who "rm -rf /*"-ed
2021-10-23 14:48:51	orangeFlu	Maybe something like 100 GB at this point, my system is not that big
2021-10-23 14:49:10	jkc	rsync.net with the borg discount is $18/year for 100GB.
2021-10-23 14:49:20	jkc	1.5 cents per gig after that.
2021-10-23 14:49:58	orangeFlu	borg discount?
2021-10-23 14:50:13	jkc	borg = a fantastic backup tool.
2021-10-23 14:50:37	orangeFlu	i am going to look into it
2021-10-23 14:50:40	orangeFlu	thank you
2021-10-23 14:51:07	jkc	But you don't have to use borg to get the discount. The discount turns off a bunch of extra features that, if you're using borg, restic, etc., you don't need.
2021-10-23 14:51:10	jkc	I use restic, personally.
2021-10-23 14:51:11	orangeFlu	It's actually 80 gigs now that i checked, so even less than that considering I currently have some movies I didn't delete just yet
2021-10-23 14:51:37	orangeFlu	That's really nice
2021-10-23 14:51:54	orangeFlu	and how often do you back-up?
2021-10-23 14:52:14	jkc	hourly, with versioning and pruning.
2021-10-23 14:54:36	jkc	You initialize the repo once, and my backup cron is just two commands.
2021-10-23 14:54:58	orangeFlu	so every hour it just sends what was modified 
2021-10-23 14:55:21	orangeFlu	that's really nice
2021-10-23 14:55:28	jkc	Basically, yes.
2021-10-23 14:55:32	jkc	restic -r sftp:xxxx@yyyy.zzzz.rsync.net:backups/repo-name init --password-file /root/secrets/restic.passwd
2021-10-23 14:55:35	jkc	restic -r sftp:xxxx@yyyy.zzzz.rsync.net:backups/repo-name backup /home/jkc --password-file /root/secrets/restic.passwd
2021-10-23 14:55:37	jkc	restic -r sftp:xxxx@yyyy.zzzz.rsync.net:backups/repo-name forget --keep-hourly 24 --keep-daily 30 --keep-weekly 12 --keep-monthly 12 --prune --password-file /root/secrets/restic.passwd
2021-10-23 14:55:39	jkc	The init command is run just once.
2021-10-23 14:55:57	jkc	The other two, every hour, and you can easily see what my retention period is.
2021-10-23 14:56:33	jkc	And I keep the contents of the password file in a password manager.
2021-10-23 14:57:10	jkc	Same for the ssh key that's used to connect to the remote server.
2021-10-23 14:59:11	orangeFlu	but the restic.passwd is in clear text, right?
2021-10-23 15:00:37	jkc	Yes, but only readable by root.
2021-10-23 15:00:45	jkc	cron entry runs as root, not my user.
2021-10-23 15:07:52	orangeFlu	yeah, sure
2021-10-23 15:07:57	orangeFlu	that's cool
2021-10-23 15:19:11	marcello42	hey guys, I have some graphic glitches running the latest generic arch kernel as well as latest plasma.. my mouse course is occasionly flickering as well as the layers (windows for instance) beneath.. it is an intel igpu with intel video drivers... running xorg.. Any suggestions? 
2021-10-23 15:19:38	marcello42	I already changed the refreshrate back and forth doesn't change any
2021-10-23 15:19:40	thrice	have you tried without the intel drivers?
2021-10-23 15:19:48	marcello42	yep was before
2021-10-23 15:19:55	marcello42	good point
2021-10-23 15:20:08	thrice	usually they aren't recommended for most cases
2021-10-23 15:20:41	marcello42	I see I thought the other way round.. I assume, now, they are priporitary and the open source driver might work as good as not even better or am I wrong?
2021-10-23 15:21:39	thrice	the intel driver proprietary?
2021-10-23 15:22:04	Namarrgon	these are just two different drivers, both oss
2021-10-23 15:22:24	marcello42	just looked up the arch wiki yes it says they are OS
2021-10-23 15:22:37	marcello42	was just an assumption thrice
2021-10-23 15:22:59	thrice	that's OK :)  but anyway, the built-in modesetting is usually as good, or better, than the intel driver
2021-10-23 15:23:03	marcello42	so I gonna remove them anyhow but still curious what is the cause for those glitches
2021-10-23 15:23:23	marcello42	thrice, thanks :) so I was wrong with that 
2021-10-23 15:23:46	marcello42	gonna reboot.. sec
2021-10-23 15:26:32	marcello42	lol just removed them rebooted and now the cursour seems to stick on the left edge and doesn't move smoothly
2021-10-23 15:26:58	marcello42	just the left side
2021-10-23 15:27:09	thrice	wut
2021-10-23 15:27:12	thrice	:D
2021-10-23 15:27:29	thrice	No other updates?  the driver won't impact any input devices
2021-10-23 15:27:30	marcello42	yea.. moving the mouse to the left edge and move it up.. the cursour does not move
2021-10-23 15:27:40	marcello42	it is just the graphics
2021-10-23 15:27:55	marcello42	the drop down menu works even if the cursour is sticking int eh middle something
2021-10-23 15:28:08	marcello42	I didn't update any :D just removed the intel video driver
2021-10-23 15:28:58	marcello42	I reboot again maybe it is just a conincident
2021-10-23 15:33:53	marcello42	ok this is odd... well I also rebooted with the fallback initramfs, but same.. mouse  gets stuck on the left side.. but apparently this has to do w/ the video driver, since with the intel video driver it does not occur.. How can I reinstall the 'regular' video driver?
2021-10-23 15:34:12	marcello42	but seems like the flickering is gone, which is also odd :D
2021-10-23 15:37:11	nickel8448	Hello, I am attempting to install arch on my PC. I have a network card attached to the motherboard but it doesn't show up when I use `$ iwctl device list`. Can someone recommend how can I enable Wifi during installation?
2021-10-23 15:37:56	marcello42	type wifi-menu nickel8448
2021-10-23 15:38:10	nickel8448	command not found :(
2021-10-23 15:38:32	marcello42	latest build?
2021-10-23 15:38:47	Scimmia	marcello42: wifi-menu/netctl hasn't been on the ISO for a long time now
2021-10-23 15:39:04	nickel8448	I think so. I downloaded it from the website. Is there a way to check that?
2021-10-23 15:39:18	marcello42	Scimmia, :D ups
2021-10-23 15:41:48	Scimmia	nickel8448: what wifi card is it?
2021-10-23 15:43:04	nickel8448	TP-Link T6E AC1300
2021-10-23 15:44:33	Scimmia	so it's a Broadcom BCM4352
2021-10-23 15:45:32	nickel8448	I think it is BCM4360. I used the following command `uname -r; lspci -nnk | grep iA2 net`
2021-10-23 15:47:00	Scimmia	well https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Broadcom_wireless is the place to start
2021-10-23 15:47:02	phrik	Title: Broadcom wireless - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-23 15:49:20	Scimmia	I'm not going to be a ton of help, I've avoided Broadcom cards
2021-10-23 15:49:22	nickel8448	Thanks. Do you think I can use USB tethering to install the drivers?
2021-10-23 15:49:42	Scimmia	depends on which driver you need, and if you need firmware
2021-10-23 15:50:12	nickel8448	USB tethering worked as soon as I connected the phone :) I think that should suffice
2021-10-23 15:50:19	nickel8448	Thank you for your help, Scimmia 
2021-10-23 16:05:29	marcello42	annoying so I have to choose whether or not I have glitches or the mouse gets stuck.. or does anyone else has another idea?
2021-10-23 16:06:15	thrice	pacman -Qqs xf86-input   ?
2021-10-23 16:06:53	marcello42	xf86-input-libinput
2021-10-23 16:06:56	marcello42	this is the return
2021-10-23 16:36:37	arch_kiss	hi all. can someone tell me please how to enable boot/kernel messages on system start? thx for any help.
2021-10-23 16:37:04	ectospasm	arch_kiss: do you have "quiet" in your kernel cmdline?
2021-10-23 16:37:40	thrice	marcello42: sorry, don't know then, unless you look at the logs and see anything interesting.  the intel driver shouldn't mess with input at all
2021-10-23 16:39:08	arch_kiss	quiet loglevel=3
2021-10-23 16:39:22	ectospasm	So, remove "quiet"
2021-10-23 16:39:42	arch_kiss	thats it?
2021-10-23 16:39:47	ectospasm	It's a start
2021-10-23 16:40:35	arch_kiss	loglevel still 3?
2021-10-23 16:40:58	ectospasm	I can never remember if 0 or 7 means debug.  I'd leave the log level as it is.  Change one thing at a time.
2021-10-23 16:41:26	arch_kiss	ok, thx. 
2021-10-23 16:42:23	cyphertite	marcello42:  also note; netctl does, and has for many years, been the only package which provides the 'wifi-menu' command.  The ArchISO team decided to move on, and so should you   
2021-10-23 17:00:01	jkc	ectospasm: 7 is debug. 0 is "don't report anything unless it renders the system immediately unusuable." Example: kernel panic.
2021-10-23 17:00:37	ectospasm	I will probably forget that soon enough.
2021-10-23 17:00:48	jkc	ectospasm: The higher number reports more crap.
2021-10-23 17:01:02	ectospasm	Yep, that's how I interpreted your comment.
2021-10-23 17:01:10	ectospasm	Still doesn't mean I'll remember it for next time.
2021-10-23 17:01:39	jkc	Given how incredibly simple a concept that is, that's depressing.
2021-10-23 17:01:57	ectospasm	Nah, I've been up all night doing work.  My brain is fried.
2021-10-23 17:02:50	ectospasm	Too early (or late?) to go to bed right now.  I gotta get back on a normal sleep schedule.
2021-10-23 17:08:11	orangeFlu	ectospasm: did the same thing two days ago. former boss called in a favor from me, ended up spending all night to migrate a lot of old sites to a new server, and still had to go to my normal job. Don't give in, wait until it's your normal sleeping time
2021-10-23 17:08:15	orangeFlu	Exercise
2021-10-23 17:08:23	orangeFlu	Drink coffee
2021-10-23 17:08:59	ectospasm	I tried to drink two pots of coffee last night, and I've been shitting my brains out pretty much all night.  Even vomited once.  And I still finished this damned upgrade!
2021-10-23 17:10:01	orangeFlu	Thats not concerning, it's pretty damn alarming
2021-10-23 17:10:02	NoobAlice	ectospasm: Well, that's tempting for a grab.  Say something else quickly!  :)
2021-10-23 17:10:07	thrice	!offtopic
2021-10-23 17:10:07	phrik	Take it to #archlinux-offtopic
2021-10-23 17:10:09	thrice	!nasty
2021-10-23 17:10:09	phrik	thrice: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
2021-10-23 17:10:11	thrice	:D
2021-10-23 17:10:36	orangeFlu	Ok, screw the coffee, drink some coca cola
2021-10-23 17:12:54	orangeFlu	jkc: are you still here?
2021-10-23 17:13:46	ectospasm	!nograb
2021-10-23 17:13:47	phrik	ha ha, can't grab ectospasm
2021-10-23 17:22:08	jkc	orangeFlu: I am.
2021-10-23 17:25:07	orangeFlu	One more question about the back-up: how do you restore a back-up? Say, the one on my HDD. My computer dies tomorrow, I need to take my back-up and restore it
2021-10-23 17:25:29	ectospasm	orangeFlu: it depends on how you made the backup.
2021-10-23 17:25:46	ectospasm	What backup tool did you use?
2021-10-23 17:25:50	orangeFlu	rsync
2021-10-23 17:26:01	jkc	orangeFlu: rsync, or restic?
2021-10-23 17:26:07	jkc	Because my examples were restic.
2021-10-23 17:26:21	ectospasm	Then it should be just as simple as rsync to restore, just go in the opposite direction.
2021-10-23 17:26:46	orangeFlu	Well, can I do that for a whole system?
2021-10-23 17:27:17	ectospasm	I try not to backup system files, or source code files.
2021-10-23 17:27:20	jkc	orangeFlu: Don't back up whole systems.
2021-10-23 17:27:28	jkc	orangeFlu: Back up your user data, and that's it.
2021-10-23 17:27:41	NetSysFire	you want to backup your configs, too though
2021-10-23 17:27:58	NetSysFire	everything you modified basically and never ever backup /sys and /proc and stuff
2021-10-23 17:28:25	ectospasm	I usually backup /etc /home and /root.  Sometimes /var, depending on the system.
2021-10-23 17:29:51	orangeFlu	Well, my thoughts were: I wanted to back-up the whole system, because I can't remember everything I installed, and the configs I made for the wm, the greeter, all that stuff. And the configs are scattered throughout the system, so it's easier to back-up everything
2021-10-23 17:31:18	orangeFlu	But I see how that might be a bad idea
2021-10-23 17:31:34	orangeFlu	Of course, didn't back up dev, but besides that, everything else
2021-10-23 17:31:55	⚡ 	mongy backs the lot up, cuz lazy, and quicker to restore ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2021-10-23 17:32:09	ectospasm	 /proc and /sys shouldn't be backed up either, if you restore them then things can break.
2021-10-23 17:32:27	mongy	it's only the first run that's 'bad'
2021-10-23 17:32:48	orangeFlu	so dev, proc and sys never
2021-10-23 17:33:03	mongy	orangeFlu: wiki has rsync full backup info
2021-10-23 17:33:13	jelle	note that rsync is not a backup tool per se :)
2021-10-23 17:33:28	jkc	jelle: I had advised restic, but if he chooses to use something else then *shrug*
2021-10-23 17:33:40	NetSysFire	borg ftw
2021-10-23 17:33:47	ectospasm	I rather like Borg!
2021-10-23 17:33:54	jkc	I moved from borg to restic.
2021-10-23 17:33:55	NetSysFire	https://github.com/borgbackup/borg resistance is futile
2021-10-23 17:33:56	jelle	jkc: heh...
2021-10-23 17:34:13	SysGhost	Borg? What's that? Sounds Swedish
2021-10-23 17:34:24	jelle	you can make rsync a backup tool, but it requires some thought
2021-10-23 17:34:27	jkc	SysGhost: Win.
2021-10-23 17:34:57	orangeFlu	i'm going to try restic as well, to see what's up and which one i like best
2021-10-23 17:34:59	SysGhost	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRY5F2IsKRs
2021-10-23 17:39:39	LimeGolem	Whenever I unplug my laptop's USB keyboard and plug it back in again, its keyboard layout resets (although the laptop's built-in keyboard is unaffected). How can I make the layout persist?
2021-10-23 17:40:24	dexterlb	hmm, I have a matrix server (synapse) which is started by a systemd unit. For some reason, synapse says it can't write to /var/cache/synapse (read only filesystem), even though its user can write there
2021-10-23 17:40:44	jelle	dexterlb: it can be restricted by the systemd unit
2021-10-23 17:40:48	dexterlb	I suppose some systemd magic is happening
2021-10-23 17:41:06	NetSysFire	LimeGolem: no its actually xorg. pretty sure you need a udev rule
2021-10-23 17:41:30	dexterlb	jelle: here is my unit file: https://bpa.st/YFEQ
2021-10-23 17:41:31	phrik	Title: View paste YFEQ (at bpa.st)
2021-10-23 17:41:49	dexterlb	there is no `ProtectHome` or anything that might cause this behaviour
2021-10-23 17:41:58	dexterlb	how can I debug this?
2021-10-23 17:42:35	NetSysFire	first of all, make sure its not actually read-only
2021-10-23 17:42:44	NetSysFire	make sure the ownership on that dir is correct too
2021-10-23 17:43:04	jelle	there is no hardening in that unit
2021-10-23 17:43:09	dexterlb	NetSysFire: `sudo -u synapse touch /var/cache/synapse/foo` works
2021-10-23 17:43:13	jelle	FeelsBadMan
2021-10-23 17:44:37	dexterlb	while synapse says: `Read-only file system: '/var/cache/synapse/media_store/local_content/bs/fa'`
2021-10-23 17:44:47	dexterlb	(touch on the above dir also works)
2021-10-23 17:45:24	ectospasm	dexterlb: is that directory mounted to a different filesystem?
2021-10-23 17:47:03	dexterlb	no, it's on the root fs
2021-10-23 17:47:31	ectospasm	any extended attributes on it?  lsattr
2021-10-23 17:49:21	dexterlb	also, running synapse from the command line works
2021-10-23 17:49:27	dexterlb	running it from the systemd unit doesn't
2021-10-23 17:49:34	dexterlb	(both cases run as the synapse user)
2021-10-23 17:49:36	NetSysFire	are there any overrides?
2021-10-23 17:49:42	NetSysFire	systemctl show may help you here
2021-10-23 17:50:01	NetSysFire	systemctl cat will also do
2021-10-23 17:50:21	dexterlb	bingo!
2021-10-23 17:50:34	NetSysFire	i knew it
2021-10-23 17:50:38	dexterlb	there is a /usr/lib/systemd/system/synapse.service.d/override-hardened.conf
2021-10-23 17:50:44	⚡ 	NetSysFire looks at jelle
2021-10-23 17:51:04	jelle	NetSysFire: o?!
2021-10-23 17:56:12	dexterlb	so, I added a new override with `CacheDirectory=synapse` and everything is fine now
2021-10-23 17:56:38	jelle	remember to always systemctl cat :D
2021-10-23 17:57:02	ectospasm	I hate typing "systemctl".  I have `alias sc="sudo systemctl "`
2021-10-23 17:57:03	dexterlb	yeah, I didn't know about that one, it's very useful
2021-10-23 17:57:30	jelle	ectospasm: good for you :)
2021-10-23 17:57:32	dexterlb	lol, I have `s=sudo` and `sc=systemctl`
2021-10-23 17:57:37	ectospasm	I typed sytemctl too many times last night.
2021-10-23 17:57:55	ectospasm	And sudp
2021-10-23 17:58:49	dexterlb	I also have `sch=sudo systemctl poweroff`, which has caused me to turn off a remote server multiple times, since typing this and pressing enter takes less time than my brain takes to parse the hostname in the prompt
2021-10-23 17:59:09	NetSysFire	heard of mollyguard?
2021-10-23 17:59:28	jkc	mollyguard <3
2021-10-23 17:59:38	dexterlb	omg this is amazing
2021-10-23 18:00:56	NetSysFire	#archlinux: helping you improve your workflow since 2007
2021-10-23 18:01:04	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-23 18:01:27	dexterlb	precisely :D
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2021-10-23 18:02:07	jelle	NetSysFire: powering off your computer improves workflow by 1000%
2021-10-23 18:02:12	ectospasm	I use mollyguardctl on everything but my laptop.
2021-10-23 18:02:26	ectospasm	mollyguardctl doesn't really have hooks for suspend or hibernate.
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2021-10-23 18:09:42	unixquuw	Hello arch peeps. Ive got a another issue, this time it's a terminal's issue. Is it possible to display unicode emojis in my terminal? For example this emoji "🤣". Thanks
2021-10-23 18:09:58	ectospasm	unixquuw: what terminal emulator?
2021-10-23 18:10:37	unixquuw	ectospasm: Im using xterm right now, but i can switch to any if xterm cant handle it.
2021-10-23 18:11:10	ectospasm	I haven't run xterm in a while, I'd bet it can't.  But it may depend on your font
2021-10-23 18:11:26	teraflops	xterm cannot afaik
2021-10-23 18:12:05	unixquuw	Okay, cool. Sooo what about lets say Urxvt.
2021-10-23 18:12:10	unixquuw	can it display emojis?
2021-10-23 18:12:23	ectospasm	It should be able to, the U in Urxvt means Unicode...
2021-10-23 18:12:33	ectospasm	I haven't run Urxvt in a while, though
2021-10-23 18:13:16	teraflops	no idea about *rxvt either
2021-10-23 18:13:25	unixquuw	Alrighty, will see what can i do.
2021-10-23 18:13:40	unixquuw	Also question about the fonts, does it need to be some font like nerd-font?
2021-10-23 18:13:48	unixquuw	because they've got all of those fancy glyphs
2021-10-23 18:14:00	unixquuw	(im talking about those https://github.com/ryanoasis/nerd-fonts)
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2021-10-23 18:14:23	ectospasm	I've used some nerd fonts on macOS, but not in Linux.
2021-10-23 18:14:28	unixquuw	Mhm
2021-10-23 18:14:37	unixquuw	gotta say one thing, nerd fonts look cool af
2021-10-23 18:14:54	teraflops	are you talking bout coloured emojis or just emojis?
2021-10-23 18:14:57	ectospasm	I was having trouble getting Terminus working in Alacritty on macOS.
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2021-10-23 18:15:48	teraflops	ectospasm: you do not like iterm2?
2021-10-23 18:16:25	ectospasm	teraflops: no, it doesn't let me remap many keyboard shortcuts, so like command-A, command-X don't do the right thing in vim.
2021-10-23 18:16:30	unixquuw	teraflops: im talking about the coloured emojis 
2021-10-23 18:16:37	teraflops	unixquuw: ah, ok
2021-10-23 18:16:49	unixquuw	cause as i understand, those emojis got like
2021-10-23 18:16:56	unixquuw	the normal emoji, a zero-width-joiner character and something
2021-10-23 18:16:59	unixquuw	and a color i think
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2021-10-23 18:17:29	teraflops	unixquuw: is that nerd font a font with all the unicodes?
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2021-10-23 18:18:04	unixquuw	teraflops: im not sure, im using a hack nerd font
2021-10-23 18:18:12	unixquuw	but it struggles to display emojis i think, or it's just xterm
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2021-10-23 18:18:31	unixquuw	will struggle now with .Xresources for urxvt, we will see if my nerdfont will like emojis
2021-10-23 18:18:33	teraflops	then the _emojis_ you are talking about arent there
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2021-10-23 18:18:47	teraflops	if by hack you meant the font family
2021-10-23 18:18:57	unixquuw	Yeah
2021-10-23 18:19:07	unixquuw	So, which nerd font has the emojis?
2021-10-23 18:19:41	unixquuw	because, of how much i love emojis and nerd fonts, i would like to have a emoji in my prompt on zsh, but still use a nerd font
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2021-10-23 18:20:27	teraflops	segoe ui emoji has nice ones, for linux and on arch repos there is ttf-joypixels
2021-10-23 18:21:14	teraflops	I like how they look with the MS one (just a matter of liking)
2021-10-23 18:21:36	unixquuw	Mhm, ive got segoe already back in the day. So, can i use the nerd fonts with the emojis or not?
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2021-10-23 18:24:34	teraflops	unixquuw: the way _emojis_ are rendered is not related to them being in the same fixed width font you are using, it's about fontconfig and how it pick the first font that is available able to render them
2021-10-23 18:25:27	teraflops	ttf-joypixels is totally fine
2021-10-23 18:25:44	unixquuw	Ohhhh
2021-10-23 18:25:48	unixquuw	okay, that's nice to find out bhaha
2021-10-23 18:26:35	teraflops	so what you need is just a font with the emojis no matter what other font you are using to render actual text
2021-10-23 18:27:32	teraflops	and a terminal client able to render them ovb
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2021-10-23 18:32:25	unixquuw	wait 
2021-10-23 18:32:42	unixquuw	teraflops: do you know by any chance how can i extract all Urxvt's xresources?
2021-10-23 18:33:01	unixquuw	i saw a command somewhere containing a man command piped to pgrep? which contained a weird syntax
2021-10-23 18:33:02	teraflops	no idea sorry I never used that terminal
2021-10-23 18:33:04	unixquuw	and a awk
2021-10-23 18:33:05	unixquuw	okay
2021-10-23 18:33:06	unixquuw	alr
2021-10-23 18:34:22	teraflops	what I know of, any vte based terminal, ST and the python ones
2021-10-23 18:34:35	teraflops	sure there are more but idk of them
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2021-10-23 18:37:18	unixquuw	There's many terminals in our world
2021-10-23 18:37:29	unixquuw	some of them are dead, some of them are alive, some are forked
2021-10-23 18:37:32	unixquuw	you just cant really count
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2021-10-23 18:38:26	teraflops	on linux I do gnome-terminal
2021-10-23 18:38:39	teraflops	on macos I do iterm2
2021-10-23 18:39:17	teraflops	well on windows I do gnome-terminal as well ;)
2021-10-23 18:39:46	unixquuw	Well, crap.
2021-10-23 18:39:46	unixquuw	https://i.imgur.com/D0QQNin.png
2021-10-23 18:39:51	unixquuw	seems like urxvt doesnt like emojis either
2021-10-23 18:39:55	unixquuw	why emojis gotta hate me
2021-10-23 18:40:03	unixquuw	ive got ttf-joypixel
2021-10-23 18:41:09	teraflops	I cannot be of much help with rxvt i'm afraid
2021-10-23 18:41:44	unixquuw	well this one arch linux thread says "switch to termite"
2021-10-23 18:41:47	unixquuw	so ill try with termite
2021-10-23 18:42:06	teraflops	nah, do not switch to termite
2021-10-23 18:42:23	teraflops	it's not developed any more iirc
2021-10-23 18:42:34	teraflops	use ant vte based one
2021-10-23 18:42:39	teraflops	or st
2021-10-23 18:42:41	teraflops	I guess
2021-10-23 18:42:48	unixquuw	ahhh the pain
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2021-10-23 18:42:53	unixquuw	what vte or st means
2021-10-23 18:43:17	teraflops	vte based terminals like gnome-terminal, termite, xfce-terminal etc 
2021-10-23 18:43:28	teraflops	st is the suckless terminal
2021-10-23 18:43:56	teraflops	then there is those python terminal clients
2021-10-23 18:44:09	teraflops	like the one ectospasm named way above
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2021-10-23 18:44:26	ectospasm	I like Alacritty, GPU accelerated, written in Rust.
2021-10-23 18:44:39	unixquuw	well, i might try kitty then or alacritty
2021-10-23 18:44:40	ectospasm	Seems to be really fast, on macOS and Arch.
2021-10-23 18:45:12	unixquuw	OMG
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2021-10-23 18:45:17	unixquuw	extospasm: we got it, kitty works
2021-10-23 18:45:18	ectospasm	I've heard good things about kitty, but I haven't tried it.
2021-10-23 18:45:25	unixquuw	kitty deserves headpats for working with emojis
2021-10-23 18:45:28	unixquuw	lets gooo
2021-10-23 18:45:44	teraflops	kitty will render your emojis just fine
2021-10-23 18:45:50	unixquuw	ye i saw 
2021-10-23 18:46:46	teraflops	phrik: give unixquuw emojizoo
2021-10-23 18:46:47	phrik	unixquuw: 🐀🐁🐂🐃🐄🐅🐆🐈🐉🐊🐋🐌🐍🐎🐏🐐🐑🐒🐓🐔🐕🐖🐗🐘🐙🐚🐛🐜🐝🐞🐟🐠🐡🐢🐣🐤🐦🐧🐨🐩🐫🐬🐭🐮🐯🐰🐱🐲🐳🐴🐵🐶🐷🐸🐹🐺🐻🐼🐽🐾🐿️🕊️🕷️
2021-10-23 18:46:52	SysGhost	!emojibeam
2021-10-23 18:46:54	phrik	😀😬😁😂😃😄😅😆😇😉😊🙂☺😋😌😍😘😗😙😚😜😝😛😎😏😶😐😑😒😳😞😟😠😡😔😕🙁☹😣😖😫👍👎👊✊✌👌✋👐💪🙏☝👆👇👈👉🖕🖐🖖✍💅👄👅👂👃
2021-10-23 18:47:24	mingdao	phrik, lay off the drugs
2021-10-23 18:47:24	phrik	mingdao: Eh?
2021-10-23 18:47:50	susi	emojis do not belong
2021-10-23 18:47:54	mingdao	ack
2021-10-23 18:48:02	ℹ 	nuala2 es conocido ahora como nuala
2021-10-23 18:48:03	mingdao	IRC = text (words)
2021-10-23 18:48:07	unixquuw	also which irc client rocks? because hexchat is too white for my poor eyes
2021-10-23 18:48:13	mingdao	irssi
2021-10-23 18:48:17	teraflops	!🐐
2021-10-23 18:48:18	phrik	https://i.imgur.com/263enxT.jpg
2021-10-23 18:48:24	unixquuw	well i dont want to use irssi
2021-10-23 18:48:31	unixquuw	i preffer something non-terminal
2021-10-23 18:48:33	unixquuw	like hexchat
2021-10-23 18:48:51	unixquuw	or you know what, fine ill take irssi
2021-10-23 18:48:53	unixquuw	used it in past
2021-10-23 18:48:56	unixquuw	im undecided bhaha
2021-10-23 18:49:43	SysGhost	 Feed the goat beans, and it'll float just fine without any aids.
2021-10-23 18:49:44	teraflops	there things in between like glowing bear
2021-10-23 18:49:54	mingdao	unixquuw: https://0x0.st/-dWV.png
2021-10-23 18:49:55	teraflops	there're
2021-10-23 18:50:13	unixquuw	mingdao: cisco fan spotted
2021-10-23 18:50:15	mingdao	unixquuw: Look and feel are how you configure your client.
2021-10-23 18:50:18	teraflops	nah weechat > irssi
2021-10-23 18:50:22	mingdao	unixquuw: ofc
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2021-10-23 18:51:01	unixquuw	tried weechat but got weirded out pretty quickly
2021-10-23 18:51:03	unixquuw	might try irssi
2021-10-23 18:51:10	unixquuw	and actually start learning irc
2021-10-23 18:51:50	teraflops	https://gist.github.com/prietus/bb36a0d4b931b3f0975fd56f66791f76/raw/5c7793d68353f260c98d39eaeec9a4388c8dda0e/70CE.png <- weecht
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2021-10-23 18:52:13	unixquuw	oh god
2021-10-23 18:52:18	unixquuw	now i dont know which pill do i take
2021-10-23 18:52:20	unixquuw	irssi or weechat
2021-10-23 18:52:22	unixquuw	both look good
2021-10-23 18:52:23	cyphertite	nah weechat >> irrsi
2021-10-23 18:52:28	unixquuw	god
2021-10-23 18:52:31	teraflops	tbh both can look almost the same
2021-10-23 18:52:44	teraflops	but I do like weechat more
2021-10-23 18:52:52	drocan	weechat plugins are nice, dunno their irrsi equivalents
2021-10-23 18:52:58	teraflops	true
2021-10-23 18:53:08	cyphertite	look has nothing to do with capability
2021-10-23 18:53:21	mingdao	unixquuw: You can make irssi show all those colors in teraflops screenshot, line separators, names on the right, etc.  Everything is configurable.
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2021-10-23 18:54:04	unixquuw	wait is there any way to configure weechat to automatically log into libera then connect to #archlinux?
2021-10-23 18:54:10	teraflops	yeah
2021-10-23 18:54:22	unixquuw	how do i?
2021-10-23 18:54:29	mingdao	unixquuw: /j weechat or /j irssi or whatever channel, issue /topic, and ask 
2021-10-23 18:54:35	teraflops	by reading the docs ;)
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2021-10-23 18:54:44	unixquuw	oh alr
2021-10-23 18:54:45	unixquuw	thanks
2021-10-23 18:54:47	unixquuw	will look into docs
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2021-10-23 18:55:02	mingdao	unixquuw: irssi automatically connects to liberachat and autojoins as many channels as you configure
2021-10-23 18:55:14	mingdao	Did I mention chat clients are _configurable_?
2021-10-23 18:55:19	teraflops	unixquuw: https://libera.chat/guides/weechat
2021-10-23 18:55:21	phrik	Title: Configuring SASL for WeeChat | Libera Chat (at libera.chat)
2021-10-23 18:55:25	unixquuw	found it
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2021-10-23 18:56:05	mingdao	unixquuw: issue /query nickserv info unixquuw   ... just to see some things
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2021-10-23 18:57:10	cyphertite	unixquuw:  ^that is exactly why when you mentioned hexchat earlier, I did not provide you the devs nick, who hangs out here often...you need to get serious and capable, first ;p
2021-10-23 18:57:20	mingdao	ack
2021-10-23 18:58:07	teraflops	unixquuw: there are clients lik glowing bear thar are GUI and better looking that hexchat imo
2021-10-23 18:58:17	teraflops	excuse my typos
2021-10-23 18:58:56	SysGhost	We don't excuse typoos jere. We embrace them.
2021-10-23 18:59:02	teraflops	;)
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2021-10-23 18:59:37	unixquuw_	wait
2021-10-23 18:59:42	unixquuw	nope
2021-10-23 18:59:44	unixquuw	got wrong acc
2021-10-23 18:59:44	unixquuw	lmao
2021-10-23 18:59:54	unixquuw	why did it used a _
2021-10-23 18:59:56	mingdao	!typos
2021-10-23 18:59:57	phrik	jelly12gen sure doesn't make them
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2021-10-23 19:00:07	drocan	if I want to strace sudo --user=foo ./bar where does strace go?
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2021-10-23 19:00:18	mingdao	unixquuw: It has a tail.
2021-10-23 19:00:24	unixquuw	ye i can see
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2021-10-23 19:00:45	unixquuw	but why IT added a trail
2021-10-23 19:00:47	unixquuw	that's my question
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2021-10-23 19:01:09	mingdao	unixquuw: Have you run that through startpage.com yet?
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2021-10-23 19:01:38	mingdao	why does a nickname in irc have _
2021-10-23 19:01:51	unixquuw	because my current is already registered
2021-10-23 19:02:07	mingdao	nope
2021-10-23 19:02:13	unixquuw	oh
2021-10-23 19:02:13	unixquuw	weko
2021-10-23 19:02:15	unixquuw	welp*
2021-10-23 19:02:28	mingdao	My nick is registered.  Doe you see mingdao_ ?
2021-10-23 19:02:35	unixquuw	Nope.
2021-10-23 19:02:44	teraflops	unixquuw: same user cannot login more then one time
2021-10-23 19:02:47	unixquuw	OH
2021-10-23 19:02:54	unixquuw	I already figured that out 1 second ago
2021-10-23 19:02:55	unixquuw	thanks tera
2021-10-23 19:02:58	teraflops	;D
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2021-10-23 19:03:15	mingdao	And that's not the only reason.
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2021-10-23 19:03:31	unixquuw	haha
2021-10-23 19:03:36	mingdao	 /whois mitch___
2021-10-23 19:03:36	unixquuw	lets goo, goddamn, weechat looks soo nice
2021-10-23 19:03:38	◣	jnbrains (~jnbrains@gateway/tor-sasl/jnbrains) ha salido (Quit: jnbrains)
2021-10-23 19:03:44	mingdao	language mate
2021-10-23 19:03:49	unixquuw	oh, sorry
2021-10-23 19:03:53	mingdao	tks
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2021-10-23 19:04:39	teraflops	there are a lot of dotfiles and web sites with weechat config files to rice it to your liking
2021-10-23 19:04:48	unixquuw	Oh, i can rice it?
2021-10-23 19:04:54	NetSysFire	yes
2021-10-23 19:05:09	unixquuw	well i have a obsession point on ricing so
2021-10-23 19:05:34	NetSysFire	get a rice cooker
2021-10-23 19:05:42	unixquuw	haha
2021-10-23 19:05:43	mingdao	mingdao@router ~ $ cat /etc/gentoo-release 
2021-10-23 19:05:43	mingdao	Gentoo Base System release 2.7
2021-10-23 19:05:46	mingdao	;)
2021-10-23 19:05:49	ectospasm	My wife said that "ricing" was racist.
2021-10-23 19:06:00	NetSysFire	mingdao: get out
2021-10-23 19:06:07	mingdao	:p
2021-10-23 19:06:12	teraflops	I do like paella
2021-10-23 19:06:13	unixquuw	ectospasm: why
2021-10-23 19:06:20	ectospasm	unixquuw: I don't know
2021-10-23 19:06:34	unixquuw	wait, how can i set up my own colored nickname on this channel
2021-10-23 19:06:44	mingdao	Oh, you didn't ask that!!!
2021-10-23 19:06:45	NetSysFire	colors are implemented by clients
2021-10-23 19:06:48	rcf	You don't determine the color, the other clients do
2021-10-23 19:06:52	unixquuw	ohhh
2021-10-23 19:06:55	⚡ 	NetSysFire points unixquuw to #weechat
2021-10-23 19:06:59	rcf	unixquuw: you're pink here. 
2021-10-23 19:07:00	unixquuw	thanks
2021-10-23 19:07:04	NetSysFire	green for me
2021-10-23 19:07:09	NetSysFire	rcf is pink though
2021-10-23 19:07:13	rcf	No, NetSysFire is green. 
2021-10-23 19:07:31	NetSysFire	no i am white-grayish
2021-10-23 19:07:33	rcf	unixquuw: as you can see it will never be consistent. 
2021-10-23 19:07:34	mingdao	unixquuw: My configuration shows nick colors different for different conditions which I have _configured_.
2021-10-23 19:07:35	teraflops	rcf: heh pink for me as well
2021-10-23 19:07:41	◣	unixquuw (~unixquuw@user/unixquuw) ha salido (Client Quit)
2021-10-23 19:07:42	◣	arch_user (~arch_user@185-241-232-74.satpol.pl) ha salido (Quit: leaving)
2021-10-23 19:07:47	jkc	ectospasm: It's an Asian stereotype from street racing. So, yeah.
2021-10-23 19:07:53	teraflops	https://gist.github.com/prietus/bb36a0d4b931b3f0975fd56f66791f76/raw/e3919003eafa7e94da1e460c6a7a50a2a1ab9dbc/FxYb.png
2021-10-23 19:07:56	NetSysFire	racing isnt ricing though
2021-10-23 19:08:08	teraflops	heh
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2021-10-23 19:08:17	⚡ 	gehidore grumbles about alacritty having convoluted config
2021-10-23 19:08:27	NetSysFire	oi dont say that in here
2021-10-23 19:08:28	jkc	NetSysFire: "ricing" is the word applied to the tuning process of said cars. Hence, Asian stereotype.
2021-10-23 19:08:37	⚡ 	rcf wraps the yaml spec around gehidore and pushes him down a flight of stairs
2021-10-23 19:08:39	unixquuw	There's so much configuration in the weechat's userguide
2021-10-23 19:08:40	NetSysFire	the alacritty dev is in here gehidore, they listen to every mention of alacritty
2021-10-23 19:08:40	mingdao	unixquuw: https://0x0.st/-dW3.png
2021-10-23 19:08:44	rcf	IT WAS AN ACCIDENT
2021-10-23 19:08:48	teraflops	xD
2021-10-23 19:08:59	⚡ 	gehidore dies
2021-10-23 19:09:11	unixquuw	looks cool
2021-10-23 19:09:16	SysGhost	Oi! Welcome to this realm gehidore
2021-10-23 19:09:33	◥	hyskaru (~hyskaru@user/hyskaru) has joined #archlinux
2021-10-23 19:09:47	gehidore	it's not actually the config fault, I presume, more of a user error
2021-10-23 19:09:53	◣	hyskaru (~hyskaru@user/hyskaru) ha salido (Client Quit)
2021-10-23 19:09:59	SysGhost	Don't forget rule #1: Haunt your killer.
2021-10-23 19:10:05	mingdao	unixquuw: Have you ever edited a file such as /var/lib/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases ?
2021-10-23 19:10:06	NetSysFire	SysGhost who killed you
2021-10-23 19:10:14	SysGhost	I dunno.
2021-10-23 19:10:19	unixquuw	Nope, why do you ask me that?
2021-10-23 19:10:22	gehidore	is it really the color settings or my error that's causing this fogged look?
2021-10-23 19:10:30	NetSysFire	fogged?
2021-10-23 19:10:41	mingdao	unixquuw: They you'll see how easy it is to edit $HOME/.irssi/config -- just a text file.
2021-10-23 19:10:45	⚡ 	NetSysFire casts esuna on gehidore
2021-10-23 19:10:56	teraflops	fogged like a london nick near the river
2021-10-23 19:10:59	mingdao	gehidore: picture or it didn't happen
2021-10-23 19:11:00	teraflops	night
2021-10-23 19:11:06	rcf	gehidore: can you post a screenshot and the config, I would like this sauna theme for my terminals 
2021-10-23 19:11:06	NetSysFire	irssi is offtopic in here
2021-10-23 19:11:10	unixquuw	well, i dont use dhcpd so i dont even have the folder in /var/lib
2021-10-23 19:11:17	mingdao	irssi is the way to BE here ;)
2021-10-23 19:11:33	unixquuw	I'm a noob when it comes to arch linux configs, so i just picked the easier way and grabbed networkmanager
2021-10-23 19:11:33	gehidore	no you wouldn't
2021-10-23 19:11:43	teraflops	🐝 beee
2021-10-23 19:11:49	mingdao	;)
2021-10-23 19:11:53	gehidore	https://0x0.st/-dW6.png
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2021-10-23 19:12:13	gehidore	want what's on the right, have what's on the left
2021-10-23 19:12:25	mingdao	gehidore: So when you post, that color drops out against the white background?
2021-10-23 19:12:26	ℹ 	Carp es conocido ahora como zostj
2021-10-23 19:12:54	gehidore	mingdao it's the appearance that all the colors were dodged 
2021-10-23 19:13:01	gehidore	or fogged
2021-10-23 19:13:01	mingdao	dodged?
2021-10-23 19:13:02	◣	bitdex (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) ha salido (Quit: = "")
2021-10-23 19:13:06	gehidore	under exposed
2021-10-23 19:13:22	unixquuw	woahb
2021-10-23 19:13:22	mingdao	leave the lens open longer?
2021-10-23 19:13:23	teraflops	gray on that blue is hard to read
2021-10-23 19:13:33	unixquuw	woah, i already like weechat, i can set the bar to a custom color
2021-10-23 19:13:35	unixquuw	with one command
2021-10-23 19:13:37	unixquuw	so cool
2021-10-23 19:13:47	teraflops	now go for the emojis ;)
2021-10-23 19:13:53	◣	Dko1905 (~Dko1905@185.156.175.180) ha salido (Client Quit)
2021-10-23 19:13:56	teraflops	to finish ricing step 1
2021-10-23 19:13:59	gehidore	I'm just using weechat as the example fwiw
2021-10-23 19:14:03	teraflops	ah
2021-10-23 19:14:07	mingdao	It took me a few days to keep trying colors in irssi until I got what I wanted, including the correct % of transparency.  That was ... in 2003?
2021-10-23 19:14:19	gehidore	!emojibeam
2021-10-23 19:14:20	phrik	😀😬😁😂😃😄😅😆😇😉😊🙂☺😋😌😍😘😗😙😚😜😝😛😎😏😶😐😑😒😳😞😟😠😡😔😕🙁☹😣😖😫👍👎👊✊✌👌✋👐💪🙏☝👆👇👈👉🖕🖐🖖✍💅👄👅👂👃
2021-10-23 19:14:24	mingdao	I can't abide a while background.
2021-10-23 19:14:30	gehidore	heh 
2021-10-23 19:14:30	mingdao	Or emojis
2021-10-23 19:14:57	NetSysFire	!emojizoo
2021-10-23 19:14:58	phrik	🐀🐁🐂🐃🐄🐅🐆🐈🐉🐊🐋🐌🐍🐎🐏🐐🐑🐒🐓🐔🐕🐖🐗🐘🐙🐚🐛🐜🐝🐞🐟🐠🐡🐢🐣🐤🐦🐧🐨🐩🐫🐬🐭🐮🐯🐰🐱🐲🐳🐴🐵🐶🐷🐸🐹🐺🐻🐼🐽🐾🐿️🕊️🕷️
2021-10-23 19:15:09	mingdao	If I change anything in $HOME/.irssi/config, it would be to /ignore emoji posts.
2021-10-23 19:15:19	unixquuw	damn, kitty works great when it comes to emojis
2021-10-23 19:15:27	NetSysFire	meow?
2021-10-23 19:15:29	unixquuw	also i figured out how to change my nickname colour on weechat
2021-10-23 19:15:34	mingdao	..!..  <<<< mingdao emoji
2021-10-23 19:15:36	teraflops	mingdao: iirc there's an irssi script to convert emojis in ascii
2021-10-23 19:15:42	mingdao	^^!^^
2021-10-23 19:16:01	mingdao	teraflops: Thanks, I might check it out; though I don't think I've used any/many scripts.
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2021-10-23 19:16:18	gehidore	I'm only trying to figure out if this appearance is precisely color choices OR is a flag in alacritty such as this "dim" and "bold" stuff
2021-10-23 19:16:40	◣	plastico (~plastico@neomutt/plastico) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2021-10-23 19:16:42	◣	catman (~catman@user/catman) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2021-10-23 19:16:50	mingdao	nicklist.pl, trackbar.pl, toggle_hidelevel.pl, tmux-nicklist-portable.pl
2021-10-23 19:17:27	gehidore	https://0x0.st/-dWl.png
2021-10-23 19:17:32	gehidore	emoji for you mingdao 
2021-10-23 19:17:36	mingdao	unixquuw: Your chat client might have some themes.  I started with revolutionaryv2.theme and edited it.
2021-10-23 19:17:43	Edu4rdSHL	😆
2021-10-23 19:18:16	◣	LordRishav (~LordRisha@user/lordrishav) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2021-10-23 19:18:17	unixquuw	How can i apply those themes?
2021-10-23 19:18:40	teraflops	unixquuw: mine does look like this https://gitlab.com/teraflops/dotfiles/-/blob/master/.weechat/weechat.conf
2021-10-23 19:18:42	phrik	Title: .weechat/weechat.conf · master · teraflops / dotfiles · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2021-10-23 19:18:45	mingdao	gehidore: Did you see this one?  https://gist.githubusercontent.com/prietus/bb36a0d4b931b3f0975fd56f66791f76/raw/5c7793d68353f260c98d39eaeec9a4388c8dda0e/70CE.png
2021-10-23 19:19:01	◣	hejux (~hejux@104.224.190.144.16clouds.com) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.3)
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2021-10-23 19:19:26	mingdao	unixquuw: https://irssi-import.github.io/themes/
2021-10-23 19:19:28	phrik	Title: Irssi Themes (at irssi-import.github.io)
2021-10-23 19:19:41	unixquuw	well i dont use irssi, im using weechat
2021-10-23 19:20:02	mingdao	unixquuw: No matter which chat client you choose, something from all these themes will give you an idea of what you want.
2021-10-23 19:20:09	gehidore	sadly at this point that image is too big for me to load mingdao 
2021-10-23 19:20:26	mingdao	gehidore: You still in TTY?
2021-10-23 19:20:42	unixquuw	oh okay
2021-10-23 19:20:51	◣	dmalteseknight (~dmaltesek@user/dmalteseknight) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.2)
2021-10-23 19:20:54	gehidore	I'm still on shitty adsl with copper lines running through puddles of water
2021-10-23 19:21:07	gehidore	because elon refuses to save me from this hellish internet
2021-10-23 19:21:20	gehidore	at least he hasn't yet
2021-10-23 19:21:45	mingdao	unixquuw: You want to decide things, such as, my statusbar shows channels with posts since I was last there as bold numbers.  If there is a post in one where I was highlighted, it also has >> , such as >>15 means I was highlighted in channel 15 (here).
2021-10-23 19:21:55	unixquuw	aha aha
2021-10-23 19:22:08	◥	LordRishav (~LordRisha@user/lordrishav) has joined #archlinux
2021-10-23 19:22:10	unixquuw	cool, wont play around with configs for weechat rn
2021-10-23 19:22:34	◥	hejux (~hejux@104.224.190.144.16clouds.com) has joined #archlinux
2021-10-23 19:22:41	unixquuw	still, im a bad ricer and i gotta rice my entire system yet because last week i nuked my entire arch linux home directory and got mad, typed rm -rf /* --no-preserve-root and well
2021-10-23 19:22:48	teraflops	remember to not edit config files directly when weechat is already open
2021-10-23 19:23:02	unixquuw	sat there figuring out why grub doesnt find arch linux
2021-10-23 19:23:04	unixquuw	ye
2021-10-23 19:23:06	unixquuw	i know
2021-10-23 19:23:25	unixquuw	also how can i switch between channels?
2021-10-23 19:23:31	mingdao	gehidore: My buddy lives very remote ... I update his Arch box via reverse ssh tunnel every Sat morning.  His took 4:31s to d/l the kernel file today; mine took 5s.  His local power company is putting in fiber ... he'll have it by the end of next month.
2021-10-23 19:23:56	teraflops	control + p
2021-10-23 19:24:12	mingdao	rob0 in #netfilter lives in the same area, and got it recently, and it's quite nice
2021-10-23 19:24:23	unixquuw	oh thanks
2021-10-23 19:24:29	gehidore	yeah doubt I'll have that any time soon
2021-10-23 19:24:37	teraflops	unixquuw: wecchat also support mouse
2021-10-23 19:24:44	gehidore	help me elon, you're our only hope!
2021-10-23 19:24:50	teraflops	so you can just click
2021-10-23 19:24:56	mingdao	unixquuw: alt+> or alt+< or /12 (the channel number), or /j tmux (name of channel), or, or, or <<< irssi
2021-10-23 19:24:58	unixquuw	teraflops: seems like kitty hates my mouse
2021-10-23 19:25:13	teraflops	I do prefer vte based terminals
2021-10-23 19:25:14	mingdao	unixquuw: There are even ways to switch to the last one you were in, etc.
2021-10-23 19:25:22	unixquuw	thanks
2021-10-23 19:25:34	gehidore	alt +j ## as well
2021-10-23 19:25:39	unixquuw	sure knowing all vim shortcuts, weechat shortcuts and firefox shortcuts will train my memory bhahah
2021-10-23 19:25:41	◥	feriman (~feriman@188.163.113.151) has joined #archlinux
2021-10-23 19:25:41	mingdao	elon is too busy worshipping and furthering elon
2021-10-23 19:26:09	mingdao	alt +j ##   in irrsi?  What is ## ?
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2021-10-23 19:26:26	mtn	odd, elon had time to fix my internet :p
2021-10-23 19:26:46	mingdao	unixquuw: Learning shortcuts pushes childhood trauma memories away for me.
2021-10-23 19:27:10	unixquuw	well im bad memoring things, that's why i suck from math for example
2021-10-23 19:27:17	◣	Cirrus_Minor (~Cirrus_Mi@user/cirrus-minor/x-4863185) ha salido (Quit: Goodbye Cruel World : https://0x0.st/N6MJ : WeeChat 3.3)
2021-10-23 19:27:24	mingdao	I am one of those 10 people.  ;)
2021-10-23 19:27:27	unixquuw	with all of the square roots formulas
2021-10-23 19:28:05	gehidore	mingdao people some 40 miles from here have gotten it, I'm on the 99$ waitlist
2021-10-23 19:28:12	unixquuw	or im also bad from memoring the histories dates
2021-10-23 19:28:18	mingdao	gehidore: Good ole elon, eh?
2021-10-23 19:29:12	mingdao	I'm just trying to remember firmware versions of obscure hardware that Engineering didn't run through QA but "fixes" a problem with their new, buggy, software release.
2021-10-23 19:29:43	teraflops	I only have bad memory for things that I do not care enough
2021-10-23 19:29:58	◣	turlando (~turlando@user/turlando) ha salido (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2021-10-23 19:30:15	mingdao	wish I could say that
2021-10-23 19:30:39	◣	infides (~infides@i6dfa388a.versanet.de) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2021-10-23 19:30:51	mingdao	Passwords ... with no password manager ... panic attacks kept me from logging in to several systems and working for 3 hours recently
2021-10-23 19:31:34	teraflops	I finally made the switch to a proper password manager and 2fa almost everywhere
2021-10-23 19:31:54	◣	Keira (~k@lulzsec.co.uk) ha salido (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2021-10-23 19:31:55	mingdao	My brain is the only password manager I've ever used.
2021-10-23 19:32:02	gehidore	I meant to direct that at mtn 
2021-10-23 19:32:16	jkc	mingdao: Then your passwords are all reused and/or all suck.
2021-10-23 19:32:19	mingdao	define:that
2021-10-23 19:32:25	unixquuw	same here, my brain remembers some passwords
2021-10-23 19:32:31	ectospasm	I had a problem with passwords last night.  Turns out I was bitten by a CRLF from Notepad, when I pasted it into PuTTY.
2021-10-23 19:32:37	mingdao	jkc: Never had one broken.
2021-10-23 19:32:45	unixquuw	but when ive done a crazy password with weird characters like #^$# i had to learn it every day
2021-10-23 19:32:47	mtn	gehidore: I was lucky I signed up last year before I moved to this remote location
2021-10-23 19:32:53	teraflops	notepad++ is better ;)
2021-10-23 19:32:59	mingdao	ack
2021-10-23 19:33:04	unixquuw	teraflops: but it's only avaible for win
2021-10-23 19:33:07	ectospasm	teraflops: I don't have the luxury on that system, unfortunately.
2021-10-23 19:33:14	teraflops	unixquuw: indeed
2021-10-23 19:33:25	unixquuw	but with wine you could possibly run it, true?
2021-10-23 19:33:35	teraflops	vim is ok for me
2021-10-23 19:33:39	mingdao	emacs is the Linux equivalent of notepad++ ... ViM is the best $EDITOR.
2021-10-23 19:33:49	ectospasm	$VISUAL, but yeah!
2021-10-23 19:33:52	unixquuw	true vim is fine
2021-10-23 19:33:59	teraflops	but I do notepad++ at work thanks got
2021-10-23 19:34:01	unixquuw	it's just kinda hard for newbies 
2021-10-23 19:34:12	ectospasm	vim has a pretty steep learning curve, true dat
2021-10-23 19:34:13	unixquuw	ill never forget the good ol' "how to exit vim" stackoverflow question
2021-10-23 19:34:20	mingdao	For notepad++ just put .txt on the end of your file with Linux $EDITOR.
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2021-10-23 19:34:29	ectospasm	But I was a forced convert to vi 23 years ago, and I haven't looked back.
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2021-10-23 19:35:00	teraflops	I hate when theres vi but not vim in old servers
2021-10-23 19:35:11	mingdao	ack
2021-10-23 19:35:17	gehidore	mtn I've been on the wait list since it opened :( they keep moving the window though, at present it's "mid to late 2021" rapidly approaching late -_-
2021-10-23 19:35:19	teraflops	as in I havve to delete using crtl+h ;)
2021-10-23 19:35:48	SysGhost	teraflops: Had to work on one of those before... venix something from the early jurassic age
2021-10-23 19:35:57	◣	arcturus1 (~arcturus@gateway/tor-sasl/arcturus) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2021-10-23 19:35:59	teraflops	old as hell
2021-10-23 19:36:03	mingdao	I hate having to remote into a Field Engineer's Windows laptop using a serial cable to a device and it has PuTTy.
2021-10-23 19:36:19	mingdao	I am going to advocate WSL and install the bare minimum with a terminal.
2021-10-23 19:36:20	◣	AmR (~AmREiSa@156.199.106.121) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2021-10-23 19:36:29	SysGhost	funny it was a control computer for a garbage suction system
2021-10-23 19:36:38	◣	spare_ (~gzxsdvs3n@user/spareproject) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2021-10-23 19:36:44	mingdao	Shut it down, Scotty, it's sucking mud!
2021-10-23 19:36:56	unixquuw	wait, isn't vim vi?
2021-10-23 19:36:58	mingdao	Shift ZZ
2021-10-23 19:37:09	teraflops	vi improved
2021-10-23 19:37:13	mingdao	ViM is vi Improved
2021-10-23 19:37:25	◥	spare_ (~gzxsdvs3n@user/spareproject) has joined #archlinux
2021-10-23 19:37:27	unixquuw	so why yall calling vi vim
2021-10-23 19:37:28	⚡ 	mingdao tosses unixquuw startpage.com
2021-10-23 19:37:31	unixquuw	ah
2021-10-23 19:37:33	unixquuw	thanks
2021-10-23 19:37:35	unixquuw	will find out
2021-10-23 19:37:39	teraflops	what I hate is to see my colleagues using nano
2021-10-23 19:37:43	◥	arcturus1 (~arcturus@gateway/tor-sasl/arcturus) has joined #archlinux
2021-10-23 19:37:45	mingdao	https://www.vim.org/
2021-10-23 19:37:47	phrik	Title: welcome home : vim online (at www.vim.org)
2021-10-23 19:38:00	mingdao	nano, nano ... Mork and Mindy?
2021-10-23 19:38:16	unixquuw	ohhh
2021-10-23 19:38:18	unixquuw	now i kno
2021-10-23 19:38:20	unixquuw	w
2021-10-23 19:38:29	unixquuw	teraflops: omg same
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2021-10-23 19:38:43	SysGhost	teraflops: at least it isn't mcedit
2021-10-23 19:38:48	unixquuw	true
2021-10-23 19:38:50	teraflops	heh
2021-10-23 19:38:50	◣	fcinq (~irc@network.g33k.host) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2021-10-23 19:39:24	teraflops	maybe nano is ok and it's just my ignorance at how powerful it can be
2021-10-23 19:39:52	ectospasm	I uninstall nano if I ever find it installed on a system
2021-10-23 19:39:55	unixquuw	is it me or i just feel like that i need to join #cloak channel on libera every time im on libera?
2021-10-23 19:39:57	teraflops	hehe
2021-10-23 19:39:59	SysGhost	Just lower the bar a little, and you'll se how nice nano actually can be.
2021-10-23 19:40:09	unixquuw	wait guys does the cloak last forever?
2021-10-23 19:40:33	teraflops	unixquuw: nope, once you get the cloack it lasts forever
2021-10-23 19:40:44	unixquuw	because when i do /whois mynick it says >connected from <ip>
2021-10-23 19:40:48	teraflops	also maybe you set #cloack to autojion
2021-10-23 19:40:55	mingdao	Not to get offtopic (sorry), but I converted a server running Apache on RHEL to Arch and installed nginx.  Who someone recommend a guide to start?  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Nginx or http://nginx.org/en/docs/beginners_guide.html or http://nginx.org/en/docs/ is what I have loaded atm.
2021-10-23 19:40:56	phrik	Title: nginx - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-23 19:40:57	mtn	gehidore: that sucks, but it will be worth it when you actually get it
2021-10-23 19:40:58	unixquuw	and im not sure if that displays for everyone
2021-10-23 19:41:06	mingdao	s/Who/Would
2021-10-23 19:41:47	teraflops	unixquuw: you always see the ip but everyone else don't https://gist.github.com/prietus/bb36a0d4b931b3f0975fd56f66791f76/raw/171c03495188af0ff0feb6009f19cc9b536a5c32/UrR5.png
2021-10-23 19:41:54	mingdao	unixquuw: For us it says: is using a secure connection
2021-10-23 19:42:05	unixquuw	ohh
2021-10-23 19:42:11	unixquuw	thanks, good to know.
2021-10-23 19:42:11	SysGhost	mingdao: you get it up and running with the arch wiki, and then go with the details with the official documentation.
2021-10-23 19:42:11	mingdao	unixquuw: Otherwise, all ur base r belong to us
2021-10-23 19:42:17	mingdao	SysGhost: tks
2021-10-23 19:42:18	unixquuw	true
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2021-10-23 19:43:09	unixquuw	teraflops: also your font is pretty, whats the name of it.
2021-10-23 19:43:16	unixquuw	is it a nerd font?
2021-10-23 19:43:22	mingdao	SysGhost: I've had 7 years working as an indentured servant of the capitalists, and it's time to go back to working for myself, which I did from 1984 to 2014.
2021-10-23 19:43:24	teraflops	ubuntu font family (mono one)
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2021-10-23 19:43:34	mingdao	The website is partial exposure.
2021-10-23 19:43:36	unixquuw	Oh
2021-10-23 19:43:41	unixquuw	oh yeah its ubuntu
2021-10-23 19:43:56	unixquuw	tbh sometimes i just look at the font and i try to guess it
2021-10-23 19:44:10	◣	pauper (~pauper@181.47.28.196) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2021-10-23 19:44:10	unixquuw	and im always 25% right
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2021-10-23 19:45:44	mingdao	unixquuw: teraflops's /whois unixquuw looks different than mine png
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2021-10-23 19:45:53	mingdao	unixquuw: teraflops's /whois unixquuw looks different than mine https://0x0.st/-dWC.png
2021-10-23 19:46:13	low-key	if i'm using zsh, do i still need all the .bash files in my home directory?
2021-10-23 19:46:18	low-key	trying to clean it up a bit
2021-10-23 19:46:35	SysGhost	Short answer: nope
2021-10-23 19:46:36	mingdao	I never used it, but I would think is has .zsh files
2021-10-23 19:46:42	Amnesia	question, does it still make sense to add 'rd.luks.options=discard'? (since fstrim is a reoccuring job triggered by systemd)
2021-10-23 19:46:43	SysGhost	even shorter answer: no
2021-10-23 19:46:57	teraflops	hmm idk I'm using weechat
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2021-10-23 19:47:19	low-key	i do have .zsh files
2021-10-23 19:47:25	low-key	but there are a bunch of .bash files too
2021-10-23 19:47:41	low-key	and do i need the .xinitrc and other x files if i'm on wayland?
2021-10-23 19:47:48	Amnesia	(aka trim support)
2021-10-23 19:47:53	teraflops	low-key: not at all, same for .xinitrc
2021-10-23 19:47:59	low-key	yaay!
2021-10-23 19:48:01	low-key	thanks :)
2021-10-23 19:49:21	teraflops	low-key: unless you are doing some weird sourcing of any of those .bash files from your .zshprofile
2021-10-23 19:49:37	low-key	nope
2021-10-23 19:49:44	teraflops	then not needed
2021-10-23 19:49:46	low-key	:D
2021-10-23 19:49:52	low-key	trashed them all
2021-10-23 19:49:53	low-key	thanks :)
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2021-10-23 19:50:41	unixquuw	mingdao: looks good too.
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2021-10-23 19:51:24	mingdao	unixquuw: mingdao looks good?  You hack my LAN?
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2021-10-23 19:52:00	unixquuw	what
2021-10-23 19:52:06	mingdao	No camera installed ... how you do dat?
2021-10-23 19:52:13	unixquuw	ehh???
2021-10-23 19:52:14	mingdao	< unixquuw> mingdao: looks good too.
2021-10-23 19:52:16	unixquuw	i aint no hacker
2021-10-23 19:52:25	⚡ 	mingdao is a hacker
2021-10-23 19:52:34	⚡ 	mingdao is NOT a cracker
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2021-10-23 19:52:59	unixquuw	i mean if you want to say that running metasploit is making me a hacker then sure
2021-10-23 19:53:02	mingdao	unixquuw: < unixquuw> mingdao: looks good too.   <<<< how can yo usee me?
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2021-10-23 19:53:13	mingdao	s/yo usee/you see
2021-10-23 19:53:14	unixquuw	but i would count that as being a skid
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2021-10-23 19:53:22	unixquuw	wym see you
2021-10-23 19:53:46	mingdao	unixquuw: < unixquuw> mingdao: looks good too.   <<<< how can yo usee me?
2021-10-23 19:53:53	unixquuw	i dont get you man bhaha
2021-10-23 19:54:18	mingdao	What did you mean when you posted:    < unixquuw> mingdao: looks good too.
2021-10-23 19:54:28	unixquuw	Oh, i meant that your's whois looks good too
2021-10-23 19:54:35	unixquuw	like teraflop's whois.
2021-10-23 19:54:37	◣	kadavul (~vazha@103.165.21.199) ha salido (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2021-10-23 19:54:46	mingdao	As in data, language, font?
2021-10-23 19:54:56	◣	random-nick (~random-ni@87.116.165.220) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2021-10-23 19:55:00	unixquuw	font only
2021-10-23 19:55:04	mingdao	That's Monaco I borrowed from my MBA.
2021-10-23 19:55:08	unixquuw	and the ":::" funny thing
2021-10-23 19:55:27	mingdao	Separator using in $HOME/.irssi/config
2021-10-23 19:55:48	unixquuw	cool
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2021-10-23 19:55:53	unixquuw	i dislike irssi tbh
2021-10-23 19:55:56	unixquuw	idk why
2021-10-23 19:55:58	mingdao	unixquuw: For more info issue /query nickserv info unixquuw   << substitute any nickname
2021-10-23 19:55:59	unixquuw	weechat is easier
2021-10-23 19:56:18	jkc	Same as how you dislike scp, probably. "For no actual reason."
2021-10-23 19:56:27	mingdao	I'm sure you can do it all in weechat, also; I just prefer CLI to GUI.
2021-10-23 19:57:05	mingdao	We all have different likes and dislikes.  A Linux OS allows for more freedom in that area than Windows or macOS.
2021-10-23 19:57:20	mingdao	Also, more than HP-UX, AIX, Solaris, etc.
2021-10-23 19:57:49	unixquuw	true
2021-10-23 19:58:12	mingdao	unixquuw: And some of us just get more satisfaction out of personalizing an app with a config, rather than running the same as a lot of other folks.
2021-10-23 19:58:31	mingdao	Choices
2021-10-23 19:58:40	unixquuw	That's true too. I belong to the config group but sometimes it's really hard to configure one app
2021-10-23 19:58:41	mingdao	opinions are very good
2021-10-23 19:59:03	mingdao	Tweaks are what hackers live for tbh.  ;)
2021-10-23 19:59:08	mpan	While -Syu, “Unregistering Haskell modules → error: command failed to execute correctly” (that is from “/usr/share/libalpm/hooks/ghc-register.hook”). Hook’s log: <https://0x0.st/-d4H.log>. Updated packages were haskell-{conduit,sandi,mono-traversable}. Shall I be worried?
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2021-10-23 19:59:42	mpan	I see nothing relevant in news, forums, bugtracker. Three mentions while googling, but old and two of them are Manjaro.
2021-10-23 19:59:48	mingdao	⎈ 
2021-10-23 19:59:48	unixquuw	tbh i should plug my rpi4 into the power outlet and update all mirrors
2021-10-23 20:00:53	◣	pmi-it (~pi@2a02:908:1a14:43a0::5e6) ha salido (Quit: Leaving)
2021-10-23 20:00:56	unixquuw	oiii, there's a weechat guide translated to polish, let's go, might find out some stuff
2021-10-23 20:02:49	low-key	continuing with my earlier question, is it okay to uninstall bash altogether if i'm not using it?
2021-10-23 20:02:58	low-key	or is that something that comes with unforseen consequences?
2021-10-23 20:03:09	low-key	okay, not happening
2021-10-23 20:03:17	teraflops	low-key: I do not think is a good idea
2021-10-23 20:03:33	low-key	pacman rained dependencies when i tried
2021-10-23 20:03:49	unixquuw	low-key: dont do that
2021-10-23 20:04:01	unixquuw	it's better to have bash 
2021-10-23 20:04:10	low-key	i can see 🙈
2021-10-23 20:04:49	◣	Iamthehuman1 (~noname@user/iamthehuman) ha salido (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2021-10-23 20:05:20	SysGhost	oh no! 
2021-10-23 20:05:26	SysGhost	!panic
2021-10-23 20:05:27	phrik	http://eured.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/oh-noes-everybody-panic.gif
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2021-10-23 20:06:17	unixquuw	tbh never tried uninstalling bash
2021-10-23 20:06:26	◣	mtn (~mtn@206.214.233.41) ha salido (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2021-10-23 20:06:28	unixquuw	wouldve been funny to see the issues appearing
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2021-10-23 20:07:47	mingdao	`pacman -R bash`  https://0x0.st/-d4K.txt
2021-10-23 20:07:54	mingdao	Have a laugh, unixquuw 
2021-10-23 20:08:10	unixquuw	jesus christ
2021-10-23 20:08:12	SysGhost	pacman -Qi bash 
2021-10-23 20:08:15	unixquuw	that's a lot of dependencies
2021-10-23 20:08:20	SysGhost	and read the dependency list
2021-10-23 20:08:40	mingdao	pacman -Qi bash|grep Required
2021-10-23 20:08:46	unixquuw	Required by: autoconf  automake  base  bison  bzip2
2021-10-23 20:08:48	unixquuw	                  ca-certificates-utils  db  dialog  diffutils
2021-10-23 20:08:50	unixquuw	                  e2fsprogs  fakeroot  fftw  findutils  flex
2021-10-23 20:08:52	unixquuw	                  freetype2  gawk  gdbm  gettext  gmp  gnome-common
2021-10-23 20:08:54	unixquuw	                  gpm  grub  gzip  icu  ijs  iptables  js78  keyutils
2021-10-23 20:08:56	unixquuw	                  libdca  libgpg-error  libksba  libpaper  libpcap
2021-10-23 20:08:58	unixquuw	                  libpng  libteam  libtool  m4  man-db  mkinitcpio
2021-10-23 20:09:00	unixquuw	                  mtools  neofetch  npth  nspr  nss  os-prober  pacman
2021-10-23 20:09:01	SysGhost	oh dear
2021-10-23 20:09:01	ectospasm	!paste
2021-10-23 20:09:01	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-10-23 20:09:02	unixquuw	                  pcre  pcre2  pkgconf  systemd  texinfo  which
2021-10-23 20:09:02	◣	EMIYA ha expulsado unixquuw (flood limit)
2021-10-23 20:09:08	◣	joey7 (~joey@gateway/tor-sasl/joey7) ha salido (Quit: leaving)
2021-10-23 20:09:10	◥	pauper (~pauper@181.47.28.196) has joined #archlinux
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2021-10-23 20:09:23	unixquuw	woops
2021-10-23 20:09:25	unixquuw	my bad
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2021-10-23 20:09:34	unixquuw	shouldve used 0x0
2021-10-23 20:09:35	another|	And that's just direct deps
2021-10-23 20:09:38	◣	GrayShade_ (~quassel@user/grayshade) ha abandonado #archlinux
2021-10-23 20:09:39	mingdao	Now you've gone and done it, unixquuw.  You're now on ... The List(tm).
2021-10-23 20:09:45	unixquuw	what list?
2021-10-23 20:09:48	⚡ 	SysGhost gasps
2021-10-23 20:09:54	⚡ 	mingdao rolls over
2021-10-23 20:10:22	unixquuw	what list?!
2021-10-23 20:10:23	mingdao	unixquuw: /query list
2021-10-23 20:10:24	teraflops	nah
2021-10-23 20:10:25	unixquuw	am i on the fbi list
2021-10-23 20:10:43	teraflops	EMIYA: just kicks you for flooding
2021-10-23 20:10:44	lambda	huh, you didn't even get banned for apologizing immediately after rejoining, that's always fun to watch
2021-10-23 20:10:47	unixquuw	oh
2021-10-23 20:10:49	mpan	unixquuw/mingdao: for the future, community/pacman-contrib → pactree.
2021-10-23 20:11:02	mingdao	mpan: Who maintains it please?
2021-10-23 20:11:10	unixquuw	lambda: wait i can get batnned for that?
2021-10-23 20:11:19	unixquuw	banned*
2021-10-23 20:11:28	teraflops	pactree -r bash
2021-10-23 20:11:35	lambda	unixquuw: EMIYA temp-bans users if they start "spamming" again immediately after rejoining
2021-10-23 20:11:43	unixquuw	Oh?
2021-10-23 20:11:53	mingdao	OIC, it's not AUR ... no worries mpan.
2021-10-23 20:11:57	teraflops	more than 3 lines iirc
2021-10-23 20:12:03	mpan	mingdao: polyzen
2021-10-23 20:12:15	lambda	which tends to happen if 1) they still have some buffer content remaining and 2) they immediately say sorry
2021-10-23 20:12:50	mingdao	mpan: error: target not found: pactree
2021-10-23 20:12:52	mingdao	OIC
2021-10-23 20:13:01	mpan	mingdao: community/pacman-contrib! :D
2021-10-23 20:13:01	unixquuw	well, it looks like i stepped on a mine bhaha
2021-10-23 20:13:09	mingdao	mpan: IDK that.
2021-10-23 20:13:11	unixquuw	wait, is emiya a bot?
2021-10-23 20:13:19	mpan	mingdao: a bunch of very useful tools for working with pacman and maintaining installation.
2021-10-23 20:13:24	mpan	unixquuw: yes
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2021-10-23 20:13:40	unixquuw	oh my god ive been living in a lie for my entire irc life.
2021-10-23 20:13:45	unixquuw	i always thought it was a admin
2021-10-23 20:13:57	mpan	unixquuw: have you already admitted your love to EMIYA in a PM?
2021-10-23 20:13:58	mingdao	mpan: Sorry, my brain is jelly from working 72h the last 5 days and having some over-the-top physical pain atm.
2021-10-23 20:14:02	mpan	xD
2021-10-23 20:14:04	unixquuw	what
2021-10-23 20:14:04	mingdao	I need to take a break.
2021-10-23 20:14:06	unixquuw	nah
2021-10-23 20:14:10	unixquuw	lmao
2021-10-23 20:14:18	lambda	unixquuw: EMIYA and phrik are our resident robot overlords
2021-10-23 20:14:18	teraflops	state of the art, mov pastes from bad-paste-sites, kick flooders and a couple more utilities iirc
2021-10-23 20:14:24	unixquuw	gotchu
2021-10-23 20:14:30	Foxboron	38
2021-10-23 20:14:32	Foxboron	wops
2021-10-23 20:14:33	◣	arcturus1 (~arcturus@gateway/tor-sasl/arcturus) ha salido (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2021-10-23 20:14:41	unixquuw	smh i should've learn more about IRC before even going on a IRC trip
2021-10-23 20:14:46	mingdao	mpan: Thanks ... `pactree bash` was nice.
2021-10-23 20:14:53	unixquuw	i had a chance to use the freenode doe
2021-10-23 20:15:00	teraflops	mingdao: try it with -r
2021-10-23 20:15:00	unixquuw	before the hostile takeover or whatever
2021-10-23 20:15:20	mpan	mingdao: while not relevant to THIS question, if you have pacman-cotrib already: see paccache too. :>
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2021-10-23 20:15:31	mingdao	You folks are giving me too much in this PTSD condition.  ;)
2021-10-23 20:15:36	another|	.. Why are there 6 screenshots of this channel in my image feed?
2021-10-23 20:16:07	teraflops	because it's saturday ;)
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2021-10-23 20:16:18	teraflops	make room for the cat pics
2021-10-23 20:16:26	mingdao	This does remind me to pac<tab>, iirc, command to remove extra pkg versions.
2021-10-23 20:16:46	mingdao	another|: Because we all think you're special.  ;)
2021-10-23 20:16:54	unixquuw	hey who used weechat here too
2021-10-23 20:16:58	unixquuw	cuz i forgot
2021-10-23 20:17:01	ectospasm	I use weechat
2021-10-23 20:17:06	ectospasm	I started with irssi
2021-10-23 20:17:14	ectospasm	Then I was going to give weechat a try for a week
2021-10-23 20:17:15	unixquuw	ectospasm: can i configure those green lines next to nicknames?
2021-10-23 20:17:16	another|	mingdao: 2 of them from you
2021-10-23 20:17:19	ectospasm	I never went back to irssi
2021-10-23 20:17:22	unixquuw	so i can change their color
2021-10-23 20:17:27	unixquuw	cant find anything in docs
2021-10-23 20:17:27	mingdao	another|: Wanna hat trick?
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2021-10-23 20:17:54	ectospasm	unixquuw: I use pretty much stock weechat, except for maybe irc.conf
2021-10-23 20:18:00	unixquuw	oh alright
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2021-10-23 20:18:18	another|	mingdao: naah, I'm good
2021-10-23 20:18:43	mingdao	I love ^ for bash history.  ;)
2021-10-23 20:19:32	unixquuw	also what does the /query list do
2021-10-23 20:19:35	mingdao	mpan: paccache I've been using; and what I was thinking of.
2021-10-23 20:19:48	mingdao	unixquuw: Tells you every list you're on.  What did it output?
2021-10-23 20:20:03	unixquuw	it told me "no nicknames/list found" or something like that
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2021-10-23 20:20:09	mingdao	unixquuw: You're safe ... for now.  :p
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2021-10-23 20:20:35	mingdao	Get a better chat client and see ::: Irssi: Starting query in liberachat with list
2021-10-23 20:20:41	⚡ 	mingdao hides
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2021-10-23 20:21:44	mingdao	unixquuw: /query starts a private message with the nickname after query and takes you to the PM window immediately.
2021-10-23 20:21:54	unixquuw	ohh
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2021-10-23 20:22:24	mingdao	unixquuw: Whereas /msg starts a private message with the nickname and you stay right where you issued, for instance, /msg phrik
2021-10-23 20:23:40	mingdao	unixquuw: So if you issue `/query phrik list` a channel/window with just you and phrik will open and you should see some output.
2021-10-23 20:23:44	unixquuw	mhm
2021-10-23 20:23:57	susi	/query list starts a private conversion with nickname list :)
2021-10-23 20:24:06	mingdao	unixquuw: Then when you want to close that window and come back where you were when you issued it, just issue `/wc` and you're back with us.
2021-10-23 20:24:12	mingdao	susi: yup
2021-10-23 20:24:18	◣	necercis (~necercis@user/necercis) ha salido (Quit: leaving)
2021-10-23 20:24:31	mingdao	Hence, ::: Irssi: Starting query in liberachat with list
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2021-10-23 20:25:12	mingdao	unixquuw: It is IRC netiquette not to start a private message with someone unless you ask first.  Some nicks have PM blocked, even.
2021-10-23 20:25:28	mingdao	unixquuw: bots don't count ... they are simply progammed
2021-10-23 20:25:34	unixquuw	I know that.
2021-10-23 20:25:40	teraflops	unixquuw: oh, you might want to take a look at weechat relay capabilities as well 
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2021-10-23 20:25:42	mingdao	sprogammed/programmed
2021-10-23 20:26:23	unixquuw	teraflops: what's that?
2021-10-23 20:26:55	teraflops	you run weechat in a headless machine somewhere, sbc or whatever, then you connext to it with almost any irc client
2021-10-23 20:27:23	teraflops	it does do irc relay and weechat relay modes
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2021-10-23 20:29:04	ignapk	can you help me? glmark2 dumps core: https://paste.rs/EmC
2021-10-23 20:29:09	ignapk	I need to compare 2 machines to know which one to play sims on
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2021-10-23 20:32:39	unixquuw	teraflops: thanks, but no.
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2021-10-23 20:34:41	susi	ignapk: it's lacking some shader file(s)
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2021-10-23 20:35:57	ℹ 	v4zha es conocido ahora como kadavul
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2021-10-23 20:40:36	unixquuw	tbh why i imagine IRC like a bar
2021-10-23 20:41:21	SysGhost	it kinda is. Lots of strangers who all agree and a sticky counter.
2021-10-23 20:41:22	◣	roro (roro@user/roro) ha salido (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2021-10-23 20:41:23	jezebel	is there a reason the archlinux install wiki recommends /mnt/boot or /mnt/efi rather than /boot/efi?
2021-10-23 20:41:28	SysGhost	...or...is that my keyboard?
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2021-10-23 20:41:49	unixquuw	jezebel: /mnt stands for mount
2021-10-23 20:41:54	jezebel	yes
2021-10-23 20:41:55	teraflops	jezebel: because that is _before_ you chroot
2021-10-23 20:42:03	jezebel	teraflops…  ahhh
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2021-10-23 20:42:20	unixquuw	that what teraflops said
2021-10-23 20:42:38	SysGhost	jezebel: you can mount the root partition anywhere you want. Just make sure all subsequent commands from the examples are changed accordingly
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2021-10-23 20:43:23	unixquuw	SysGhost: actually, sorry, not a bar. bar for nerds. 
2021-10-23 20:43:34	jezebel	i'm used to seeing /boot rather than /mnt/boot in linux installations that's all
2021-10-23 20:43:38	unixquuw	or linux eenthusiasts
2021-10-23 20:43:54	jezebel	but we're building a rootfs for chroot
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2021-10-23 20:45:03	unixquuw	teraflops: can i disable those join/leave messages by any chance?
2021-10-23 20:45:08	NetSysFire	you can
2021-10-23 20:45:13	NetSysFire	theres also a smart filter
2021-10-23 20:45:19	NetSysFire	and i recommend #weechat for weechat stuff
2021-10-23 20:45:23	unixquuw	alr
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2021-10-23 20:46:38	ignapk	susi: so what should I do?
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2021-10-23 20:48:06	teraflops	phrik: give unixquuw joinfilter
2021-10-23 20:48:07	phrik	unixquuw: joinfilter is http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Hide_join_part_messages
2021-10-23 20:48:36	teraflops	omg 404 rip
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2021-10-23 20:49:27	NetSysFire	teraflops: fix it!
2021-10-23 20:49:35	teraflops	no thanks
2021-10-23 20:51:00	NetSysFire	!factinfo joinfilter
2021-10-23 20:51:00	phrik	NetSysFire: joinfilter: Created by grawity on 2017-05-25T19:14:57+0000. Last requested by teraflops!~teraflops@static-167-135-25-46.ipcom.comunitel.net on 2021-10-23T18:48:07+0000, requested 10 times.
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2021-10-23 20:52:18	teraflops	ah you meant the factoid haha
2021-10-23 20:52:26	teraflops	sorry I did not get it
2021-10-23 20:52:47	teraflops	that was a great wiki entry
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2021-10-23 20:52:58	teraflops	maybe the 404 is temporary
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2021-10-23 20:53:20	NetSysFire	the whole wiki is 404
2021-10-23 20:54:24	dmc	seems to work here
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2021-10-23 20:56:55	teraflops	hmm 404 here
2021-10-23 20:57:13	NetSysFire	same
2021-10-23 20:57:14	brocellous	Afraid of some emojis? 😱😱😱
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2021-10-23 20:58:22	brocellous	oh wow weechat was super scrolled up for some reason
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2021-10-23 20:58:29	brocellous	I'm very late to the party
2021-10-23 20:58:34	NetSysFire	rip
2021-10-23 20:58:49	brocellous	💀
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2021-10-23 21:10:38	SysGhost	Let's have another emoji party!
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2021-10-23 21:11:30	mingdao	https://xkcd.com/1875/
2021-10-23 21:11:31	phrik	Title: xkcd: Computers vs Humans (at xkcd.com)
2021-10-23 21:11:33	dmc	🗿
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2021-10-23 21:12:29	teraflops	🎳 
2021-10-23 21:12:36	teraflops	go render that xD
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2021-10-23 21:13:38	teraflops	…so it's the wiki what gives 404
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2021-10-23 21:14:23	dmc	still wfm
2021-10-23 21:14:50	teraflops	weird
2021-10-23 21:15:49	lambda	dmc: you sure? http://wiki.xkcd.com/ has been down for a long time now
2021-10-23 21:16:11	dmc	...lol thought we were talking about ArchWiki
2021-10-23 21:16:19	teraflops	;)
2021-10-23 21:16:32	mingdao	good emoji ^^^
2021-10-23 21:16:35	mingdao	;)
2021-10-23 21:16:35	lambda	geohashing has moved to https://geohashing.site/, everything else is gone (well, moved to archive.org)
2021-10-23 21:16:37	phrik	Title: Geohashing (at geohashing.site)
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2021-10-23 21:22:00	unixquuw	mingdao: i was wondering
2021-10-23 21:22:07	unixquuw	for how long do you sit on #archlinux
2021-10-23 21:22:09	unixquuw	already
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2021-10-23 21:38:45	khaleesicodes	I am trying to set up obsidian, did the installation with yay. But always get the following error when starting: The SUID sandbox helper binary was found, but is not configured correctly. Rather than run without sandboxing I'm aborting now. You need to make sure that /tmp/.mount_obsidirsKorS/chrome-sandbox is owned by root and has mode 4755.
2021-10-23 21:38:47	khaleesicodes	Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped)di
2021-10-23 21:39:15	khaleesicodes	Has anybody an idea or run in the same problem? 
2021-10-23 21:40:13	khaleesicodes	another comment on that, the file is suid but /tmp is mounted with nosuid
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2021-10-23 21:44:06	unixquuw	a
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2021-10-23 22:05:12	SysGhost	It says exactly what the problem is.
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2021-10-23 22:08:37	SysGhost	is it an app image? unpack it, change the permissions of it as described, and then repack it
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2021-10-23 22:09:19	SysGhost	one can run with  --no-sandbox option, but that is a bad solution.
2021-10-23 22:10:40	shibboleth	snap/flatpak/"images" like that seems... un-"archy"?
2021-10-23 22:11:01	SysGhost	I also suspect you'd get a much better result if it's done without yay
2021-10-23 22:11:12	shibboleth	kinda like... using apt/rpm on gentoo :P
2021-10-23 22:12:05	ectospasm	Wouldn't that be dpkg/rpm?
2021-10-23 22:12:17	SysGhost	shibboleth: snap and flatpak are not great imho. App Images however. it has no requirements on the system itself and runs simply by setting the executable flag.
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2021-10-23 22:13:53	kpcyrd	is there a difference if makepkg is run manually or by yay? it sounds like a package problem
2021-10-23 22:14:32	teraflops	try it and see I guess
2021-10-23 22:14:49	teraflops	that's the first thing I'd do id it fails when using an aur helper
2021-10-23 22:15:07	teraflops	id/if
2021-10-23 22:15:26	ectospasm	I rarely have to do that with pikaur
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2021-10-23 22:15:36	ectospasm	I don't remember the last time I had to run makepkg
2021-10-23 22:15:45	ectospasm	Except to install pikaur myself
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2021-10-23 22:16:01	ectospasm	myself/itself
2021-10-23 22:16:40	unixquuw	How do i list every nerd font from the fc-list again?
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2021-10-23 22:17:01	⚡ 	CarloWood thinks back to the time that "I can't remember the last time that I ..." had a different meaning... but can't really remember when that was.
2021-10-23 22:17:46	teraflops	unixquuw: grep?
2021-10-23 22:17:56	unixquuw	so fc-list | grep "nerd"
2021-10-23 22:17:59	unixquuw	right?
2021-10-23 22:18:29	unixquuw	nvm it was grep -i "nerd" lol
2021-10-23 22:18:43	teraflops	even easier, fc-list N^press tab
2021-10-23 22:18:51	teraflops	it does autocomplete
2021-10-23 22:19:04	teraflops	stop at the fist :and press enter
2021-10-23 22:20:02	unixquuw	vim thinks it's funny to stop me from pasting via the ctrl+shift+insert bruh
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2021-10-23 22:20:35	ectospasm	heh, I could never get shift+insert nonsense to work right.
2021-10-23 22:20:37	shibboleth	SysGhost, just perfect, assuming image "vendors" spend all day, every day to make sure bundled deps are updated
2021-10-23 22:20:41	shibboleth	re security issues
2021-10-23 22:20:44	ectospasm	I just do Ctrl-v and such.
2021-10-23 22:20:53	unixquuw	wait anyone here using kitty terminal?
2021-10-23 22:20:58	ectospasm	!anyone
2021-10-23 22:20:58	phrik	Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
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2021-10-23 22:21:00	teraflops	just you x
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2021-10-23 22:21:01	teraflops	D
2021-10-23 22:21:18	unixquuw	damn xD
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2021-10-23 22:21:22	unixquuw	well off to docs i go
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2021-10-23 22:21:31	teraflops	nah, jokes aside, know your tools
2021-10-23 22:21:54	unixquuw	true, my bad
2021-10-23 22:22:08	unixquuw	just kinda lazy to read docs, it's 10pm here
2021-10-23 22:22:18	unixquuw	and im just kinda falling asleep on my chair listening to sea shanties
2021-10-23 22:22:21	SysGhost	shibboleth: all of em have that nasty thing going for em: devs get lazy and stick with one statick built environment. They don't have to change and adapt for changes and updates except for their own. In a way I understand that. But...
2021-10-23 22:22:26	shibboleth	"this calculator app/image comes with a 2014 build of imagetragik"
2021-10-23 22:22:31	shibboleth	-libs
2021-10-23 22:22:32	teraflops	heh
2021-10-23 22:22:36	shibboleth	yummy
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2021-10-23 22:25:11	unixquuw	woahh kitty is so funny
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2021-10-23 22:25:19	unixquuw	just uncommented four things and its working like charm
2021-10-23 22:25:29	unixquuw	and i dont need to type out xrdb -merge for xresources
2021-10-23 22:25:32	teraflops	it's a cat what would you expect? ;)
2021-10-23 22:25:43	unixquuw	the cat deserves pets.
2021-10-23 22:25:48	unixquuw	some pets*
2021-10-23 22:25:52	unixquuw	for working emojis
2021-10-23 22:25:54	ectospasm	heavy petting
2021-10-23 22:25:57	unixquuw	true
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2021-10-23 22:26:11	teraflops	I do not like kitty because is refuses to work with ibus properly
2021-10-23 22:26:15	ectospasm	I hear kitty is quite nice
2021-10-23 22:26:24	ectospasm	But I haven't tried it myself.
2021-10-23 22:26:27	teraflops	apart from that is a quite nice terminal client
2021-10-23 22:26:30	ectospasm	I kinda like Alacritty
2021-10-23 22:26:32	unixquuw	god the font looks so clean
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2021-10-23 22:26:34	ectospasm	Simple, no frills
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2021-10-23 22:26:52	unixquuw	and the emojis work too! sweet.
2021-10-23 22:26:52	teraflops	pretty fast as well
2021-10-23 22:27:00	unixquuw	gonna rejoin irc on new config
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2021-10-23 22:27:39	unixquuw	Oh my god.
2021-10-23 22:27:44	unixquuw	the font, makes weechat look x100 better
2021-10-23 22:30:13	SysGhost	could always use comic sans.
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2021-10-23 22:31:32	teraflops	is there a fixed width sansbulshitsans? 
2021-10-23 22:31:39	teraflops	that one os funny
2021-10-23 22:31:43	teraflops	is^
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2021-10-23 22:35:29	unixquuw	comic sans
2021-10-23 22:35:42	unixquuw	so childish bhaha
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2021-10-24 09:44:21	horseface	hi
2021-10-24 09:44:47	horseface	i am seeing this little red symbol next to my gsconnect entry in gnome extensions...
2021-10-24 09:44:48	horseface	https://i.ibb.co/tMtT48y/Screenshot-from-2021-10-24-18-42-49.png
2021-10-24 09:44:57	horseface	and obviously, it is not working.
2021-10-24 09:45:02	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-10-24 09:45:19	horseface	does anybody know why this is or how i may discover more information?
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2021-10-24 10:00:53	Feuermagier	I'm attempting to fix my locale. I already tried "localectl set-locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8" and locale-gen "en_US.UTF-8". If I enter "locale" I get the following output: https://pastebin.com/raw/Fj3BA2HT
2021-10-24 10:00:54	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-dwQ.txt
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2021-10-24 10:05:45	horseface	hi, hexchat for me is trying to open links in firefox, when my default browser is set to brave...
2021-10-24 10:05:48	horseface	how can i fix this?
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2021-10-24 10:26:43	colo	horseface, hexchat uses some gtk(or was it glib?)-provided magic shellscript to figure out the default browser. are you sure you set the default in a way that makes gtk applications honor your choice?
2021-10-24 10:28:11	horseface	absolutely...
2021-10-24 10:28:42	horseface	it is configured in gnome settings pane, under default applications i have set browser to brave...
2021-10-24 10:29:33	horseface	and also now i have configured a systemd environment variables file declaring to set the BROWSER and browser keys to the value of /usr/bin/brave...
2021-10-24 10:29:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-24 10:59:24	arch_user	hi. what terminal email client do you recomended?
2021-10-24 11:01:01	brocellous	git send-email
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2021-10-24 11:09:48	orangeFlu	arch_user: mutt also is pretty nice
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2021-10-24 11:16:49	elichai2	Hi, Ideas on how to debug HDMI related bugs? dmesg doesn't show anything when an HDMI is connected/disconnected
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2021-10-24 11:18:17	unixquuw	elichai2: what's happening with HDMI?
2021-10-24 11:18:24	unixquuw	the monitor doesnt display the screen, etc?
2021-10-24 11:18:37	elichai2	yeah, nothing seem to recognize the display
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2021-10-24 11:18:44	unixquuw	Do you have a nvidia card
2021-10-24 11:18:46	unixquuw	by any chance
2021-10-24 11:18:51	elichai2	(I'm connecting through a type C port)
2021-10-24 11:19:16	elichai2	yes, and the integrated HDMI works while the type-C one just suddenly stopped working (they both worked a week ago)
2021-10-24 11:19:22	unixquuw	Hm.
2021-10-24 11:20:03	unixquuw	is there any chance you upgraded your system?
2021-10-24 11:20:10	unixquuw	like yesterday etc
2021-10-24 11:20:25	elichai2	yeah, I always update it and I'm sure there was a kernel update in the last week
2021-10-24 11:20:55	unixquuw	try to connect the cable again, and give me xrandr output
2021-10-24 11:21:10	unixquuw	[use 0x0.st to paste log]
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2021-10-24 11:23:17	elichai2	unixquuw: 0x0.st doesn't work for me, so: https://termbin.com/r9ng7
2021-10-24 11:23:58	elichai2	note that DP-3 is connected directly to the HDMI port, not through the usb-C, there's another display connected through the usb-C
2021-10-24 11:24:21	salkin	what is the difference bewteen parallel and parallel-moreutils? (i see in the man page that there is BIG diff) but what/why? :)~ thanks
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2021-10-24 11:24:48	unixquuw	hmm
2021-10-24 11:25:04	unixquuw	I have literally no idea
2021-10-24 11:25:07	unixquuw	might be nvidia issue tbh
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2021-10-24 11:28:38	horseface	hello, is anybody else successfully using gsconnect with the latest version of gnome?
2021-10-24 11:29:25	jelle	> please report any issues on github
2021-10-24 11:30:01	horseface	i am seeing this error in the extensions manager within gnome, it says: The extension is incompatible with the current GNOME version
2021-10-24 11:30:01	horseface	:-/
2021-10-24 11:30:01	horseface	or is anybody, sorry... not anybody else...
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2021-10-24 11:30:22	jelle	horseface: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1319/gsconnect/
2021-10-24 11:30:23	phrik	Title: GSConnect - GNOME Shell Extensions (at extensions.gnome.org)
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2021-10-24 11:31:55	horseface	why did you link that jelle?
2021-10-24 11:32:13	jelle	horseface: I'm hoping you find the courage to look at their issue tracker
2021-10-24 11:32:24	horseface	oh okay.
2021-10-24 11:32:30	horseface	brb one moment, please...
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2021-10-24 11:39:55	jezebel	for some reason i cant get systemd-boot to boot my archlinux install
2021-10-24 11:40:09	horseface	what is the error?
2021-10-24 11:40:14	horseface	or what is happening?
2021-10-24 11:40:22	jezebel	none, it just doesnt boot arch
2021-10-24 11:40:25	horseface	i am also using systemd-boot, i may know...
2021-10-24 11:40:29	horseface	hmm...
2021-10-24 11:40:42	horseface	it is not showing in the menu?
2021-10-24 11:40:53	jezebel	i've run   bootctl --esp-path=/efi --boot-path=/boot install   in the chroot
2021-10-24 11:40:55	jezebel	yeah
2021-10-24 11:41:04	jezebel	i've added entries and loader.conf
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2021-10-24 11:44:45	bea	do you actually have different /esp and /boot partitions?
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2021-10-24 11:45:38	bea	i.e are you dual booting?
2021-10-24 11:46:36	jezebel	nope
2021-10-24 11:46:55	jezebel	it's a ext4 disk so should be supported
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2021-10-24 11:47:24	bea	so you do not have different esp and boot partitions?
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2021-10-24 11:48:14	bea	can you paste your partition layout
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2021-10-24 11:48:41	bea	if you only have /boot, there's no reason to specify --esp-path and --boot-path
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2021-10-24 11:53:16	horseface	hey what is reflector?
2021-10-24 11:53:23	horseface	it says in my mirrolist file that: Arch Linux mirrorlist generated by Reflector
2021-10-24 11:53:34	horseface	and it only lists about fifteen mirrors...
2021-10-24 11:53:45	bea	!w reflector
2021-10-24 11:53:46	phrik	bea: Reflector - Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflector>
2021-10-24 11:53:49	horseface	it does not look familiar this... and it is a clean install.
2021-10-24 11:53:50	bea	err
2021-10-24 11:53:52	bea	!aw reflector
2021-10-24 11:53:53	phrik	bea: Reflector - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Reflector
2021-10-24 11:54:37	jezebel	bea…  i have /dev/sda2 mounted at / and /dev/sda1 mounted at /efi
2021-10-24 11:54:42	jezebel	er
2021-10-24 11:54:44	jezebel	bea…  i have /dev/sda2 mounted at / and /dev/sda1 mounted at /
2021-10-24 11:54:45	◣	xoan (~xoan@user/xoan) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2021-10-24 11:54:51	jezebel	wait that ws right
2021-10-24 11:54:55	jezebel	bea…  i have /dev/sda2 mounted at / and /dev/sda1 mounted at /efi
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2021-10-24 11:56:32	horseface	that is weird, i have never installed reflector and it is still not installed when i run, pacman -Qs reflector ...
2021-10-24 11:56:33	horseface	:-/
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2021-10-24 11:57:53	horseface	!ix
2021-10-24 11:57:54	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
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2021-10-24 11:58:39	horseface	hey these are the mirrors which i have got listed in my mirrorlist file...
2021-10-24 11:58:40	horseface	http://ix.io/3CEp
2021-10-24 11:58:47	horseface	do these look like legitimate mirrors?
2021-10-24 11:59:03	horseface	this is only strange as fuck, is all...
2021-10-24 11:59:06	bea	jezebel: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFI_system_partition#Typical_mount_points
2021-10-24 11:59:07	phrik	Title: EFI system partition - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-24 11:59:34	horseface	unless the installer has got reflector on it
2021-10-24 11:59:34	horseface	?
2021-10-24 11:59:34	horseface	as i recall that this generated a mirrorlist which was copied to the installed system.
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2021-10-24 12:03:23	jezebel	this is meant ot be supporte by systemd-boot grrr
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2021-10-24 12:05:25	jezebel	my /dev/sda1 (i.e. esp) is fat32
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2021-10-24 12:07:40	Alison40	hello
2021-10-24 12:07:47	Alison40	I'm trying to install arch
2021-10-24 12:07:56	Alison40	but the live system isn't booting
2021-10-24 12:08:44	Alison40	i have acpi=off and it's freezing at journal startup
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2021-10-24 12:09:20	Alison40	the last message is "[44.384867] note: (journald)[253] exited with preempt_count 3"
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2021-10-24 12:11:27	bea	it should work yes but you are making it complicated
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2021-10-24 12:11:41	bea	jezebel: what exactly are you seeing when you say "it just doesn't boot"
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2021-10-24 12:12:13	jezebel	i dont get the arch entry
2021-10-24 12:12:25	jezebel	to choose
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2021-10-24 12:12:47	bea	can you post your loader.conf and $entry.conf?
2021-10-24 12:13:16	Alison40	already done
2021-10-24 12:13:27	Alison40	it's not the hardware
2021-10-24 12:13:31	Alison40	verified iso
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2021-10-24 12:15:28	Alison40	i don't own another computer
2021-10-24 12:15:39	jezebel	bea…  /efi/loader/loader.conf:  default arch.conf
2021-10-24 12:15:47	Alison40	well
2021-10-24 12:15:50	bea	yes what are the contents
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2021-10-24 12:15:59	Alison40	i could use my little sister's
2021-10-24 12:16:01	bea	and filenames
2021-10-24 12:16:07	jezebel	oooohh 
2021-10-24 12:16:08	jezebel	hang on
2021-10-24 12:16:16	jezebel	? Note that entries in esp can only use files (e.g. kernels, initramfs, images, etc.) in esp. Similarly, entries in boot can only use files in boot. 
2021-10-24 12:16:32	jezebel	my initramfs and vmlinuz are in /boot
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2021-10-24 12:17:46	bea	yes this was my original point when i linked to the typical mount points section
2021-10-24 12:18:09	Alison40	yeah I'll try just a sec
2021-10-24 12:18:35	jezebel	this is kind of misleading then :) > /efi is a replacement[6] for the previously popular (and possibly still used by other Linux distributions) ESP mountpoint /boot/efi.
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2021-10-24 12:19:08	jezebel	replacement but not supported!
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2021-10-24 12:22:49	jezebel	if i mount esp to /boot wouldn't that mask the files i have in there?
2021-10-24 12:23:02	jezebel	namely my initramfs and kernel images
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2021-10-24 12:24:24	jezebel	i'm in a VM :D
2021-10-24 12:25:03	jezebel	yeah, dont care if i trash things lol
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2021-10-24 12:26:34	jezebel	my hypervisor isnt arch though, my machine needs to be rock solid for work
2021-10-24 12:27:51	jezebel	no shade, just one less thing to worry about
2021-10-24 12:28:06	jezebel	i see
2021-10-24 12:29:27	unixquuw	true that, vm's are actually a nice way to test out things
2021-10-24 12:30:12	jezebel	work stuff is in a vm too, bossware that :P
2021-10-24 12:30:45	jezebel	i'll install anything they want in there and they can snoop all they want  rofl
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2021-10-24 12:34:25	Alison40	h4rd3n3D: the other laptop's bios is refusing to open
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2021-10-24 12:39:20	Alison40	so i don't know whether it runs on other pcs
2021-10-24 12:39:21	unixquuw	Alison40: maybe the bios is locked?
2021-10-24 12:39:31	Alison40	it's an hp laptop
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2021-10-24 12:40:11	Alison40	and i don't know
2021-10-24 12:40:22	unixquuw	you know the model of it?
2021-10-24 12:40:30	unixquuw	there should be a sticker on your laptop
2021-10-24 12:41:02	Alison40	it's kinda old
2021-10-24 12:41:12	unixquuw	>it's kinda old
2021-10-24 12:41:13	Alison40	like 5 years 
2021-10-24 12:41:14	unixquuw	so my laptop is too
2021-10-24 12:41:17	unixquuw	:3
2021-10-24 12:41:22	unixquuw	but can you find out what model is that?
2021-10-24 12:41:23	Alison40	it also doesn't have a sticker
2021-10-24 12:41:26	unixquuw	you can use uhh
2021-10-24 12:41:30	unixquuw	google lens on your phone
2021-10-24 12:41:31	Alison40	anyway it's not my laptop
2021-10-24 12:41:36	unixquuw	[if you didn't de-googled it]
2021-10-24 12:41:49	Alison40	I'm trying to install arch on a different laptop
2021-10-24 12:42:02	Alison40	the boot was failing
2021-10-24 12:42:09	Alison40	into livesystem
2021-10-24 12:42:16	unixquuw	hm
2021-10-24 12:42:28	Alison40	it froze at "[44.384867] note: (journald)[253] exited with preempt_count 3"
2021-10-24 12:42:37	Alison40	during journal startup
2021-10-24 12:42:41	unixquuw	do you have any other linux distro's avaible to test out?
2021-10-24 12:42:45	unixquuw	lets say ubuntu
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2021-10-24 12:43:10	Alison40	i could flash a debian iso and see if that works
2021-10-24 12:43:25	unixquuw	Well, let's try that
2021-10-24 12:43:30	unixquuw	boot into a live system debian
2021-10-24 12:43:37	unixquuw	and check out if it boots
2021-10-24 12:43:44	Alison40	just need to download the iso hold on
2021-10-24 12:43:45	unixquuw	and if it boots check out if your mouse/keyboard etc works
2021-10-24 12:43:50	unixquuw	alright, take your time, im patient
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2021-10-24 12:45:45	Alison40	never used linux before so
2021-10-24 12:48:20	Alison40	just writing the image with rufus
2021-10-24 12:50:46	Alison40	unixquuw the debian installer is working perfectly
2021-10-24 12:50:55	unixquuw	Okay
2021-10-24 12:51:03	unixquuw	hmm
2021-10-24 12:51:09	unixquuw	i dont know what can be a problem tbh
2021-10-24 12:51:10	Alison40	i had similar but different issues trying to install endeavouros
2021-10-24 12:51:23	Alison40	so i think it's something to do with arch
2021-10-24 12:51:38	Alison40	like the base
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2021-10-24 12:52:02	Alison40	idk I'll just use debian for now probably
2021-10-24 12:52:16	Alison40	try and switch arch from there
2021-10-24 12:52:25	Alison40	switch to*
2021-10-24 12:52:48	Alison40	should be easier to figure out the problem with an active linux install
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2021-10-24 12:52:58	unixquuw	true
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2021-10-24 12:53:13	unixquuw	if im sure you can install arch linux while being on debian
2021-10-24 12:53:16	unixquuw	like if you would install gentoo
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2021-10-24 12:55:15	Alison40	ok I'm just gonna wait while it detects installation media now
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2021-10-24 12:56:57	toeyjammer	horseface, 
2021-10-24 12:57:09	toeyjammer	what's happening
2021-10-24 12:57:56	horseface	yes?
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2021-10-24 12:58:35	toeyjammer	vmware
2021-10-24 12:58:44	toeyjammer	with microsoft
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2021-10-24 12:59:30	toeyjammer	you need to run windows on the laptop native
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2021-10-24 13:00:43	horseface	guys, when is gnome 41 expected to be released?
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2021-10-24 13:02:07	unixquuw	horseface: no idea
2021-10-24 13:02:09	unixquuw	nvm
2021-10-24 13:02:12	unixquuw	he left
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2021-10-24 13:09:24	marcello42	unixquuw, yea same second do not get it
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2021-10-24 13:30:36	arch_user	hi. what lightweight email client do you recommended?
2021-10-24 13:31:13	jtgd	nmh
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2021-10-24 13:32:14	unixquuw	arch_user: thunderbird maybe?
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2021-10-24 13:36:05	Scimmia	while the definition of 'lightweight' can vary, nobody would include thunderbird
2021-10-24 13:36:16	thrice	lol
2021-10-24 13:37:44	arch_user	I was thinking about terminal client. I always was using alpine. I did try download and install yesterday but I think something is not wright with package.
2021-10-24 13:38:05	⚡ 	enyc meows
2021-10-24 13:38:08	unixquuw	oh sorry, my bad
2021-10-24 13:38:13	unixquuw	i didnt saw the lightweight bhaha
2021-10-24 13:38:33	enyc	arch_user: hrrm alpine, re-alpine ... lots of subtleties and indiosynchrocities to be found there =)
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2021-10-24 13:43:33	LordRishav	Why does zsh autocompletion give `_describe:compadd:114: unknown match specification character `^"'` when it can't find any result?
2021-10-24 13:44:01	arch_user	so which one You think will be a good replacement?
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2021-10-24 13:53:48	specunix	arch_user: have you had a look at mutt or aerc
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2021-10-24 13:55:20	unixquuw	which auto-complemention system for zsh is best
2021-10-24 13:55:24	unixquuw	other than the compiz thing
2021-10-24 13:55:27	unixquuw	cause thats hard to configure
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2021-10-24 13:56:37	arch_user	yes I did try aerc is not to bad. what about sylpheed or claws?
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2021-10-24 14:05:25	bookworm	neomutt is the usual recommendation arch_user it's essentially a better mutt. As for aerc, it's not there yet. Neither from a feature nor stability perspective
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2021-10-24 14:30:37	Alison40	i tried to boot debian from usb, it froze trying to detect hardware for installation media
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2021-10-24 14:31:35	Alison40	mine
2021-10-24 14:31:51	Alison40	then tried to use the windows installer exe for Debian
2021-10-24 14:32:07	Alison40	failed when it was detecting disks
2021-10-24 14:32:44	Alison40	now I'm downloading the mx linux iso
2021-10-24 14:32:58	Alison40	seeing if it has the same issues
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2021-10-24 14:33:24	Alison40	if it fails I'll try fedora aa well
2021-10-24 14:33:27	Alison40	as*
2021-10-24 14:33:57	Alison40	yes
2021-10-24 14:34:04	Alison40	that's what I've been doing
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2021-10-24 14:34:44	Alison40	i could try buying a new usb
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2021-10-24 15:20:06	Namarrgon	does any other linux iso boot?
2021-10-24 15:21:08	Alison40	I need to have lunch now
2021-10-24 15:21:17	Alison40	I'll try from the 3rd port
2021-10-24 15:21:23	Alison40	thanks for the hel0
2021-10-24 15:49:22	Alison40	yes hello
2021-10-24 15:49:52	Alison40	i don't know how to check other details
2021-10-24 15:59:00	Alison40	just loading arch onto the new usb hold on
2021-10-24 16:03:58	Alison40	h4rd3n3D_ same issue
2021-10-24 16:05:04	Alison40	if necessary I'll copy out all the errors in journal startup
2021-10-24 16:10:26	Alison40	the main storage on her laptop is 27gb
2021-10-24 16:10:51	Alison40	it seems like a motherboard power allocation bug
2021-10-24 16:11:22	Alison40	I'm gonna see what's going on in the bios
2021-10-24 16:12:50	Alison40	no
2021-10-24 16:13:03	Alison40	I'm gonna see if bios needs updating
2021-10-24 16:18:44	Alison40	my laptop is asus...
2021-10-24 16:18:59	Alison40	and apparently my bios is up to date
2021-10-24 16:19:29	Alison40	h4rd3n3D_
2021-10-24 16:21:21	th0rne	Hey so, I just realized that the monitor in fact does work over DP during boot, but not after boot. But it does work over HDMI even after boot.
2021-10-24 16:21:50	th0rne	But it's the same on two different machines, one amd and one nvidia.
2021-10-24 16:22:43	th0rne	Like, it seems like the issue is with arch?
2021-10-24 16:24:39	Alison40	h4rd3n3D_ it says the config space to change the power state from D3cold to D0 is inaccessible
2021-10-24 16:26:40	Alison40	so basically it's on the lowest power setting and can't access the files to get to the highest one
2021-10-24 16:27:09	Alison40	i already said I can't access the bios/boot menu on her laptop
2021-10-24 16:29:23	phrik	Title: ACPI modules - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-24 16:29:57	Alison40	I've looked there already
2021-10-24 16:30:20	Alison40	it doesn't seem to have any helpful info
2021-10-24 16:30:26	hussam	Why is twitter archlinux account suspended? https://twitter.com/archlinux 
2021-10-24 16:30:51	Alison40	especially because acpi just seems to be exacerbating the problem, not causing it
2021-10-24 16:32:41	Alison40	I'm not sure where i can give power state config file access to a usb
2021-10-24 16:33:20	Alison40	it's an nvme error
2021-10-24 16:34:18	Alison40	the former
2021-10-24 16:34:18	Alison40	I'm using the hp key (f10) but all it does is stop windows booting properly
2021-10-24 16:34:47	Alison40	i could try some others
2021-10-24 16:37:47	Alison40	do you hold fn down as well
2021-10-24 16:38:01	Alison40	ohhhhh
2021-10-24 16:40:37	Alison40	bios just isn't working
2021-10-24 16:40:44	Alison40	neither is the boot menu
2021-10-24 16:42:44	Alison40	i mean it's inaccessible
2021-10-24 16:44:20	gr33n7007h	Alison40: hold down f2 key while powering on.
2021-10-24 16:44:33	Alison40	tried f2 already
2021-10-24 16:44:53	Alison40	my asus laptop gets into bios fine with that
2021-10-24 16:45:03	Alison40	but not my sister's hp one
2021-10-24 16:45:11	gr33n7007h	Alison40: oh, boot menu?
2021-10-24 16:46:15	Alison40	I can't access the boot menu on her system
2021-10-24 16:46:21	Alison40	nor bios
2021-10-24 16:47:27	Alison40	oh i just hold it down
2021-10-24 16:47:29	Alison40	lmao
2021-10-24 16:48:27	Alison40	ok i got into BIOS by spamming the button
2021-10-24 16:50:20	Alison40	oops need to disable secure boot on her laptop
2021-10-24 16:53:14	Alison40	ok the livesystem booted on her potato
2021-10-24 16:53:59	Alison40	computer that barely works
2021-10-24 16:54:43	Alison40	gonna reenable secure boot so she doesn't destroy her computer hold on
2021-10-24 16:55:22	Alison40	normally hers barely works
2021-10-24 16:56:52	Alison40	the boot on her laptop didn't throw a power state error
2021-10-24 16:57:04	Alison40	so i think that's the main problem
2021-10-24 16:57:32	Alison40	with mine
2021-10-24 16:58:28	Alison40	yeah
2021-10-24 16:58:46	phrik	Looks like h4rd3n3D_ is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2021-10-24 16:59:11	Alison40	well
2021-10-24 17:05:53	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-24 17:07:15	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-24 17:13:03	borb	trying to install arch linux on a lenovo x1 nano. i can connect to wifi using iwctl, but `ping google.com` will give me ping: google.com: Name or service not known
2021-10-24 17:13:23	borb	which piece am i missing here? i did systemctl enable systemd-resolved
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2021-10-24 17:17:58	borb	yea
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2021-10-24 17:18:35	borb	oh cool
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2021-10-24 17:19:35	borb	i've also enabled and started NetworkManager
2021-10-24 17:19:47	borb	i think both this and iwd are supposed to act as dhcp clients ? 
2021-10-24 17:20:04	borb	maybe installing NetworkManager was a mistake
2021-10-24 17:20:46	Scimmia	you don't enable both, they will conflict
2021-10-24 17:21:09	Scimmia	and if you're using systemd-resolved, did you set it up?
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2021-10-24 17:22:26	borb	do iwd and sytemd-resolved conflict as well
2021-10-24 17:22:46	Scimmia	no
2021-10-24 17:22:54	borb	h4rd3n3D_: it looks like it knows about dns servers, according to `resolvectl status`
2021-10-24 17:23:03	Scimmia	oh, if you're using IWD, what are you using for dhcp?
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2021-10-24 17:23:43	Scimmia	I'll bet that's the issue
2021-10-24 17:23:45	phrik	Title: systemd-resolved - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-24 17:23:46	borb	Scimmia: if iwd doesn't handle that, then i don't know
2021-10-24 17:23:58	Scimmia	borb: it does *if* you configure it to
2021-10-24 17:24:19	Scimmia	it doens't by default
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2021-10-24 17:26:27	borb	i created an /etc/iwd/main.conf as per https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Iwd#Enable_built-in_network_configuration and then restared iwd, to no avail
2021-10-24 17:26:29	phrik	Title: iwd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-24 17:27:12	Scimmia	do you have an IP?
2021-10-24 17:28:21	borb	yea it looks like it
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2021-10-24 17:28:27	borb	so i suppose dhcp is working, it knows about dns servers 
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2021-10-24 17:29:23	borb	i have no idea
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2021-10-24 17:29:50	Scimmia	so then we're back to asking if you configured resolved
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2021-10-24 17:32:38	borb	Scimmia: im not sure. i can see dns information with `resolvectl status`. let me dig and see if there's anything else i need to do
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2021-10-24 17:38:47	borb	noice. yeah symlinking the /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf to /etc/resolv.conf did the trick i think
2021-10-24 17:38:48	borb	thanks Scimmia h4rd3n3D_ 
2021-10-24 17:38:59	Scimmia	np
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2021-10-24 17:44:11	jirido	Does pacman have a option to find a package that supplies a sertain command/program
2021-10-24 17:44:31	Foxboron	jirido: pacman -Fs to search for files
2021-10-24 17:44:33	Scimmia	!give jirido pacmanfile
2021-10-24 17:44:33	phrik	jirido: Eh?
2021-10-24 17:44:41	Foxboron	Scimmia: pacfile i think
2021-10-24 17:44:44	Foxboron	!pacfile
2021-10-24 17:44:45	phrik	Foxboron: Is that a question?
2021-10-24 17:44:47	Foxboron	hmm
2021-10-24 17:44:52	Foxboron	!Fy
2021-10-24 17:44:53	phrik	FUCK YEAH!!!! That's great.
2021-10-24 17:44:55	Foxboron	:)
2021-10-24 17:44:56	Foxboron	No
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2021-10-24 17:45:01	Scimmia	!give jirido pacman-file
2021-10-24 17:45:02	jirido	lol
2021-10-24 17:45:02	phrik	jirido: Find out what package owns a file, even if the package isn't installed. pacman -Fy <file> (similar to !pkgfile)
2021-10-24 17:45:12	Scimmia	there it is
2021-10-24 17:45:27	Foxboron	pkgfile was what I was thinking of
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2021-10-24 17:46:12	Scimmia	Foxboron: I think the -s option is gone, isn't it?
2021-10-24 17:46:25	Foxboron	it is, ut it's still in my fingers :p
2021-10-24 17:46:38	Foxboron	but*
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2021-10-24 17:54:46	rapha	hi all
2021-10-24 17:55:29	rapha	is someone here running a well-working linux-based multi-room audio setup and would be willing to share what components they've used and how they made them interact?
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2021-10-24 18:21:54	CrustY_	rapha: try to ask at #kxstudio or #ardour or #jack I think there could be some people who could help you
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2021-10-24 18:30:33	Alison40	I'm having a problem booting
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2021-10-24 18:30:46	Alison40	from live usb
2021-10-24 18:31:10	◣	ijr (~user@user/ijr) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2021-10-24 18:31:15	Alison40	I've already checked and it's not an error with usb hardware or the iso
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2021-10-24 18:31:58	preston	o/ hey everyone
2021-10-24 18:32:43	preston	wiping my hard drive due to the npm supply chain attack from yesterday, wanted to run dd against it before reinstalling
2021-10-24 18:33:02	preston	reading the arch wiki, was curious if i should do the entire block
2021-10-24 18:33:05	preston	Disk /dev/nvme0n1: 953.87 GiB, 1024209543168 bytes, 2000409264 sectors
2021-10-24 18:33:16	preston	all 1024209543168 bytes?
2021-10-24 18:33:17	Alison40	if i boot with default settings it freezes after "no caching page found" and "assuming drive cache: write through"
2021-10-24 18:33:17	Alison40	if i boot with acpi=off it still takes a while but it instead freezes at the journalctl startup
2021-10-24 18:33:23	grawity	preston: what's the goal
2021-10-24 18:33:46	preston	grawity: just securely wiping everything off it and reinstalling arch
2021-10-24 18:33:46	grawity	preston: with SSDs generally don't bother, run `blkdiscard` to tell the controller to throw the whole thing away
2021-10-24 18:34:01	preston	oh? really?
2021-10-24 18:34:08	preston	neat
2021-10-24 18:34:21	grawity	tbh mkfs.ext4 will discard the entire partition before initializing the filesystem anyway
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2021-10-24 18:34:50	grawity	but "securely" with what in mind though?
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2021-10-24 18:36:26	post-factum	Alison40: that `acpi=off`, is that a secret mantra from 20 years ago? boot with `ignore_loglevel initcall_debug` instead
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2021-10-24 18:36:39	grawity	if you were giving away the physical disk, erasing it makes sense and in that case there's the NVMe equivalent of "ATA secure erase" (which has more specific guarantees than TRIM/blkdiscard does)
2021-10-24 18:36:46	preston	blkdiscard will work fine in this case, I was going to overkill wipe everything beyond recovery just to see what the process was like
2021-10-24 18:37:05	preston	ive always just installed my OS over my old one 
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2021-10-24 18:41:55	preston	but this other shit looks like it takes upwards of several hours
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2021-10-24 18:41:55	preston	grawity: should I run this command from my bootable usb
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2021-10-24 18:41:55	Alison40	post-factum that did something - it's now frozen at `nvme nvme0: controller is down; will reset: CTS=0xffffffff PCI_STATUS=0xffff`
2021-10-24 18:41:55	Alison40	I'm assuming those cts and pci status values signify errors
2021-10-24 18:41:55	post-factum	Alison40: what's the hardware? laptop? server?
2021-10-24 18:41:55	Alison40	laptop
2021-10-24 18:41:55	Alison40	asus, ryzen 5 3550h
2021-10-24 18:42:07	post-factum	Alison40: try `nvme_core.default_ps_max_latency_us=0`
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2021-10-24 18:42:32	Alison40	is that alongside the other command
2021-10-24 18:43:03	post-factum	Alison40: no, remove all the debug stuff you added and add this one instead
2021-10-24 18:43:10	Alison40	cool
2021-10-24 18:43:40	Alison40	oh it's working
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2021-10-24 18:43:59	Alison40	thanks so much
2021-10-24 18:44:31	post-factum	i lol'd against damned hw manufacturers once again…
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2021-10-24 18:44:48	post-factum	Alison40: what's your nvme drive?
2021-10-24 18:44:57	Alison40	I'm not sure
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2021-10-24 18:45:25	Alison40	don't really want to reboot to check bios rn
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2021-10-24 18:45:31	post-factum	Alison40: `sudo smartctl -a /dev/nvme0n1`
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2021-10-24 18:46:59	Alison40	what info do you want about it
2021-10-24 18:47:08	Alison40	because that's a whole page of text
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2021-10-24 18:48:14	Alison40	post-factum the model is WDC PC SN520 SDAPNUW-256G-1002
2021-10-24 18:48:18	neys	good morning everybody! i try to setup a fresh install with encrypted boot. apparently GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y in /etc/defaults/grub does not trigger grub-mkconfig to add any cryptomount or insmod luks...etc. any ideas?
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2021-10-24 18:50:34	post-factum	Alison40: a model basically. if i were you, i'd report it to lkml for kernel to gain another quirk against this crap, but it's up to you. also, make sure to check how your power consumption is doing after applying the parameter, because it basically disables powersaving for the drive, so not really a proper solution
2021-10-24 18:50:59	Alison40	how do i report it to lkml
2021-10-24 18:51:33	Alison40	sorry I'm new to linux
2021-10-24 18:52:24	post-factum	Alison40: drop an email to linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org (+cc linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, sagi@grimberg.me, hch@lst.de, axboe@fb.com, kbusch@kernel.org) describing what happened and how you fixed it + describe your hardware (laptop model, drive model)
2021-10-24 18:53:49	post-factum	Alison40: if in doubt, you may drop that email to me first, and i'll proof-read it
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2021-10-24 18:55:08	jirido	If I mount a remote shell with a sshfs command while in screen do It deatach it self from the screen window so that it survives killing the window or the screen session?
2021-10-24 18:55:49	jirido	or i can actually try.. sorry
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2021-10-24 19:01:27	th0rne	Does anyone have any idea why my monitor that used to work over display port now only works over hdmi after boot? I've tried two different (arch) machines, and it's the same thing, or at least similar.
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2021-10-24 19:08:44	rapha	thx CrustY_!
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2021-10-24 19:16:29	th0rne	Does anyone have any guesses as to why would a monitor always work using HDMI, but only work during boot using DP?
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2021-10-24 19:17:48	kenzer	@th0rne video output settings? Is HDMI disabled in your bios or adapter settings?
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2021-10-24 19:18:40	th0rne	Right, but it used to work up until recently with DP after boot also. Now it's just black. On two different machines with two different GPUs.
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2021-10-24 19:19:38	mtn	th0rne, if you are thinking it is related to a kernel upgrade, try an older kernel
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2021-10-24 19:20:51	th0rne	I recall it not working on LTS either, but I'll try again.
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2021-10-25 19:37:51	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2021-10-25 19:37:51	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1349 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1348 normals)
2021-10-25 16:25:28	whatsthecraic	but it has an ip v6 addr, how do I revert to ip v4 ?
2021-10-25 16:25:52	Namarrgon	you don't worry about it, it's just a link-local address
2021-10-25 16:26:01	Cork	whatsthecraic: ipv6 link local is generated if you have ipv6 support active
2021-10-25 16:26:08	Cork	whatsthecraic: it doesn't mean you can't have ipv4
2021-10-25 16:26:40	whatsthecraic	it does have a inet6 under the interface wlan0 though?
2021-10-25 16:27:30	Cork	whatsthecraic: you will have it on all interfaces unless you explicitly disable ipv6 support
2021-10-25 16:28:02	Cork	whatsthecraic: the kernel generates it for the interface no service is needed
2021-10-25 16:28:16	Cork	(for link local that is)
2021-10-25 16:28:30	MacGyver	whatsthecraic: What does the address start with?
2021-10-25 16:28:37	MacGyver	whatsthecraic: First four characters.
2021-10-25 16:28:58	whatsthecraic	fe80
2021-10-25 16:29:05	MacGyver	Yeah just ignore that.
2021-10-25 16:29:09	MacGyver	Any other addresses?
2021-10-25 16:29:35	whatsthecraic	no the other one is link/ether , which I guess is the mac addr?
2021-10-25 16:29:44	MacGyver	Pastebin the .network-file from systemd-networkd.
2021-10-25 16:31:04	whatsthecraic	I just created one in /etc/systemd/network/30-wlan0.conf with
2021-10-25 16:31:04	whatsthecraic	[Match]
2021-10-25 16:31:04	whatsthecraic	Name=wlan0
2021-10-25 16:31:04	whatsthecraic	[Network]
2021-10-25 16:31:05	whatsthecraic	DHCP=yes
2021-10-25 16:31:22	whatsthecraic	I'm basically following https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/systemd-networkd
2021-10-25 16:31:23	phrik	Title: systemd-networkd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-25 16:31:47	MacGyver	!paste
2021-10-25 16:31:48	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-10-25 16:32:06	MacGyver	But that was fortunately only 4 lines so no worries, just, other files we may ask for won't be.
2021-10-25 16:33:02	whatsthecraic	right, bear in mind I don't have an internet connection, the best thing I can is to paste a photo of the monitor :)
2021-10-25 16:33:35	MacGyver	As long as it's in focus...
2021-10-25 16:33:39	bea	lol
2021-10-25 16:33:51	MacGyver	What's the full output of `ip a`?
2021-10-25 16:34:05	MacGyver	Also do you have *any* other .network files?
2021-10-25 16:34:10	Namarrgon	"networkctl reload" "networkctl reconfigure wlan0"
2021-10-25 16:34:21	another|	did you set up wifi? wpa_supplicant? iwd? networkmanager?
2021-10-25 16:34:35	whatsthecraic	iwd
2021-10-25 16:34:41	Namarrgon	you could have used iwd's dhcp client instead of networkd
2021-10-25 16:36:10	node1	Hi, i'm running apache in chroot. Is it possible to forward it's port 80 for host computer?
2021-10-25 16:36:51	Namarrgon	a chroot still uses the host's ports, there's nothing to "forward".
2021-10-25 16:37:07	node1	Like from the host machine can i access to apache server running inside chroot?
2021-10-25 16:37:09	whatsthecraic	MacGyver:  https://paste.pics/8512902ee22aa4cb682fc80c3a9c0cf8
2021-10-25 16:37:10	phrik	Title: Screenshot, 2021-10-25 17:36:34 - Paste.Pics (at paste.pics)
2021-10-25 16:37:26	Namarrgon	node1: have you tried to connect to port 80?
2021-10-25 16:37:34	MacGyver	Well it's in focus... guess I didn't say anything about upside down.
2021-10-25 16:37:44	node1	yes it's
2021-10-25 16:37:48	Namarrgon	it's an australian computer
2021-10-25 16:37:50	node1	let me restart
2021-10-25 16:38:06	MacGyver	whatsthecraic: I'll have to wait a bit to check this because I'm currently in a meeting.
2021-10-25 16:38:07	whatsthecraic	MacGyver: they must  be in /etc/systemd/network or are there othre locations? No there are not 
2021-10-25 16:38:14	whatsthecraic	MacGyver: ah ok
2021-10-25 16:39:16	whatsthecraic	Namarrgon: network reload didn't work :/
2021-10-25 16:39:45	Namarrgon	what error did you get?
2021-10-25 16:40:05	whatsthecraic	there is not an error in particular, it silently succeeded in the commands
2021-10-25 16:40:13	Namarrgon	both commands?
2021-10-25 16:40:13	whatsthecraic	but it still doesn't automatically resolve the ip
2021-10-25 16:40:15	whatsthecraic	yeah
2021-10-25 16:41:14	Namarrgon	what did the systemd-networkd unit write to the journal?
2021-10-25 16:41:32	Namarrgon	what does "resolve the ip" mean?
2021-10-25 16:42:32	whatsthecraic	in the log: Gained carrier, link becomes ready, Gained IPv6LL
2021-10-25 16:42:54	whatsthecraic	it still didn't get an ip through the DHCP protocol
2021-10-25 16:43:19	Namarrgon	wait, does the config file end in ".conf" or was that a typo?
2021-10-25 16:44:30	whatsthecraic	it did end in .conf -)
2021-10-25 16:44:36	whatsthecraic	okay folks
2021-10-25 16:44:39	MacGyver	Oh heh, well spotted.
2021-10-25 16:44:40	whatsthecraic	thanks so much
2021-10-25 16:44:50	bea	just in case it needs asking, is there a DHCP server running on the network?
2021-10-25 16:45:56	whatsthecraic	yeah, the router to which it's connected has a DHCP server. My issue was the suffix 
2021-10-25 17:03:37	mrpelotazo	quit
2021-10-25 17:20:27	Alison40	sorry i had to go
2021-10-25 17:20:56	Alison40	I'm not sure how to troubleshoot arch not booting
2021-10-25 17:22:48	Alison40	it just freezes after switching from efi graphics to my amd apu's grapics
2021-10-25 17:23:12	mtn	define "freeze"
2021-10-25 17:24:08	Alison40	it stops printing the boot logs and nothing happens
2021-10-25 17:25:24	mtn	Alison40, have you installed a driver for amd?
2021-10-25 17:25:30	Alison40	yeah
2021-10-25 17:25:54	mtn	Alison40, boot with the nomodeset option and then you can work on your driver issue
2021-10-25 17:28:10	Alison40	before i downloaded the drivers, nomodeset made the login screen not prompt for password after entering a username, instead just bringing the pointer to the next line 
2021-10-25 17:28:51	Alison40	and then freezing (not accepting input)
2021-10-25 17:29:28	Alison40	and same thing happens now
2021-10-25 17:29:41	mtn	Alison40, i that case, can you get to the tty? login that way?
2021-10-25 17:29:49	Alison40	tty?
2021-10-25 17:30:04	mtn	ctrl+alt+f3
2021-10-25 17:30:14	Alison40	at what point
2021-10-25 17:30:33	mtn	Alison40, when it stops booting
2021-10-25 17:30:34	Alison40	do i input that
2021-10-25 17:30:37	Alison40	oh
2021-10-25 17:31:00	Alison40	doesn't do anything
2021-10-25 17:31:24	mtn	Alison40, try it after booting with nomodeset
2021-10-25 17:32:15	Alison40	nope
2021-10-25 17:32:30	Alison40	I'm on the login screen and it's doing nothing
2021-10-25 17:32:52	mtn	Alison40, so you went and changed the grub line and added nomodeset?
2021-10-25 17:32:58	Alison40	yes
2021-10-25 17:33:16	Alison40	it freezes on login even if you don't enter a username
2021-10-25 17:33:39	mtn	Alison40, what does ctrl+alt+f3 do?
2021-10-25 17:33:53	Alison40	nothing
2021-10-25 17:34:31	mtn	Alison40, is this a desktop or laptop?
2021-10-25 17:34:48	Alison40	laptop
2021-10-25 17:35:06	mtn	Alison40, I don't know if you can turn off the amd gpu in the bios, but if you can it may boot
2021-10-25 17:35:11	evilop	!screenshot
2021-10-25 17:35:12	phrik	1. Centre the camera. 2. Frame the entire screen and nothing else 3. Focus you f.... -- AvE 4. Hold the camera still 5. Don't use flash
2021-10-25 17:35:16	evilop	take a pic
2021-10-25 17:35:25	Alison40	of what exactly
2021-10-25 17:35:42	evilop	of the moment when it hangs, if the screen doesn't go completely black
2021-10-25 17:35:59	Alison40	it doesn't thankfully
2021-10-25 17:36:23	evilop	log might also be handy
2021-10-25 17:36:33	Alison40	what loglevel
2021-10-25 17:36:58	Alison40	I'll just go 7
2021-10-25 17:37:11	evilop	journalctl -b somebrokenboot
2021-10-25 17:38:25	Alison40	how would i upload the photo
2021-10-25 17:38:34	evilop	imgurl, gist, similar
2021-10-25 17:40:07	Alison40	https://ibb.co/zJxPzHs
2021-10-25 17:40:08	phrik	Title: IMG-20211025-163752 — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2021-10-25 17:41:28	evilop	so you are getting a panic
2021-10-25 17:42:04	Alison40	huh?
2021-10-25 17:42:14	evilop	is linux-firmware installed?
2021-10-25 17:42:47	evilop	looks like you are missing the firmware for the gpu
2021-10-25 17:43:20	Alison40	i think i installed it
2021-10-25 17:43:22	susi	then might also need to add something to mkinitcpio.conf, amdgpu or whatever
2021-10-25 17:43:45	Alison40	I'll boot back into the installer
2021-10-25 17:44:00	evilop	post the bootloader config too
2021-10-25 17:44:32	Alison40	I'm not sure how to do that
2021-10-25 17:44:54	evilop	!paste
2021-10-25 17:44:55	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-10-25 17:45:02	evilop	!rs
2021-10-25 17:45:03	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2021-10-25 17:45:24	evilop	you can also use @path/to/file instead of piping
2021-10-25 17:47:47	Alison40	so just
2021-10-25 17:47:47	Alison40	curl --data-binary @/boot/grub/grub.cfg https://paste.rs
2021-10-25 17:47:52	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2021-10-25 17:48:08	evilop	should work
2021-10-25 17:49:29	Alison40	https://paste.rs/tIb
2021-10-25 17:53:03	evilop	was linux-firmware installed?
2021-10-25 17:53:20	Alison40	yes
2021-10-25 17:53:36	Alison40	just checked with pacman
2021-10-25 17:53:47	Alison40	it's been installed the whole time
2021-10-25 17:54:05	evilop	try the lts kernel
2021-10-25 17:54:29	Alison40	i actually moved from there because it wasn't working
2021-10-25 17:55:11	Alison40	ie already tried, doesn't work
2021-10-25 17:55:14	susi	paste mkinitcpio.conf
2021-10-25 17:56:32	Alison40	paste.rs/FY1
2021-10-25 17:57:24	evilop	was the firmware installed when the initramfs was built?
2021-10-25 17:58:43	Alison40	i rebuilt the mkinitcpio file after installing the firmware
2021-10-25 17:58:50	Alison40	and reinstalled grub
2021-10-25 17:58:52	evilop	lsinitcpio | grep polaris11_k_mc.bin
2021-10-25 17:59:50	Alison40	i put in the command and it said no image specified
2021-10-25 18:00:00	susi	lsinitcpio /boot/initramfs-linux.img
2021-10-25 18:00:05	evilop	-2 is iirc no such file
2021-10-25 18:00:57	susi	have you tried booting the fallback image, any difference?
2021-10-25 18:01:05	Alison40	I'll try that actually
2021-10-25 18:01:21	evilop	I would test without the early kms
2021-10-25 18:01:37	evilop	but anyway is the file present in the initcpio?
2021-10-25 18:02:00	Alison40	susi your command returned failed to set default locale
2021-10-25 18:02:46	susi	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Locale
2021-10-25 18:02:48	phrik	Title: Locale - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-25 18:04:19	Alison40	I'll boot the fallback without early kms
2021-10-25 18:04:27	susi	you need to edit /etc/locale.conf (add LANG=en_US.UTF-8 or something) and /etc/logale.gen (uncomment same locale) and then run # locale-gen 
2021-10-25 18:04:47	susi	iirc you had some problems already earlier with characters not showing and erroring on /dev/disk/by-uuid
2021-10-25 18:05:05	evilop	uuid are pure ascii
2021-10-25 18:05:32	evilop	if you don't have working ascii then your probably have bigger issues
2021-10-25 18:06:00	Alison40	ok apparently removing amdgpu from modules didn't stop eraly kms??m
2021-10-25 18:06:11	Alison40	*ignore the m
2021-10-25 18:06:20	evilop	has to rebuild the initcpio for it to take effect
2021-10-25 18:06:46	evilop	(and possibly copy it to the right place)
2021-10-25 18:07:34	susi	evilop: iirc there was error with "/dev/disk/□" earlier
2021-10-25 18:07:58	susi	might be good idea to fix the locale anyways
2021-10-25 18:10:50	Alison40	oh apparently /etc/locale.conf didn't exist
2021-10-25 18:12:07	Alison40	just reloading the initcpio
2021-10-25 18:12:17	susi	fix your locale [also uncomment the same locale under /etc/locale.gen, and then run # locale-gen], regenerate initcpio(s), and reboot
2021-10-25 18:14:10	Alison40	oh it's booting i think
2021-10-25 18:14:38	Alison40	oh apparently not
2021-10-25 18:15:43	Namarrgon	Alison40: is this a new laptop or which OS did you use on it before?
2021-10-25 18:15:46	Alison40	https://ibb.co/Ch9mwR0
2021-10-25 18:15:48	phrik	Title: 16351784946022141185193835119837 — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2021-10-25 18:15:57	Alison40	i used windows 10
2021-10-25 18:16:12	Alison40	but i reformatted the whole disk
2021-10-25 18:16:26	Alison40	during install
2021-10-25 18:16:27	Namarrgon	do you still have the nvme hack in the kernel parameters?
2021-10-25 18:17:04	Alison40	I'll try that
2021-10-25 18:18:41	Alison40	seems to have gotten further than before
2021-10-25 18:19:43	evilop	so it got all the way to login now
2021-10-25 18:19:44	Namarrgon	it could be unrelated to the nvme problems, hw initialization is async.
2021-10-25 18:20:10	Alison40	no 
2021-10-25 18:20:21	Alison40	it's still on some audits
2021-10-25 18:20:54	evilop	it says "aux login:" 
2021-10-25 18:21:09	evilop	(and then spams some kernel messages)
2021-10-25 18:21:22	evilop	archlinux login*
2021-10-25 18:21:51	evilop	C-A-f2 or just blindly type your username
2021-10-25 18:22:26	Alison40	oh it's working
2021-10-25 18:22:29	Alison40	thanks
2021-10-25 18:22:39	Namarrgon	what made it work?
2021-10-25 18:23:11	Alison40	may have even worked without the nvme workaround
2021-10-25 18:23:20	Alison40	it was fixing the locale i think
2021-10-25 18:23:46	evilop	that would not have fixed the missing firmware for the gpu
2021-10-25 18:23:56	evilop	more likely booting the fallback or rebuilding the initcpio
2021-10-25 18:25:42	Alison40	I didn't boot the fallback
2021-10-25 18:26:08	Alison40	maybe it was just fixing the initcpio
2021-10-25 18:27:06	susi	there were some serious problems when it errored with "/dev/disk/□" earlier
2021-10-25 18:27:22	Alison40	thanks all
2021-10-25 18:27:40	Alison40	you're all really helpful
2021-10-25 18:29:00	susi	and if even lsinitcpio can't list the contents of initcpio because of a missing locale..
2021-10-25 18:30:06	Alison40	yeah the nvme workaround is necessary
2021-10-25 18:30:11	Alison40	just checked
2021-10-25 18:30:35	Namarrgon	is there a bugreport or how did you find the workaround?
2021-10-25 18:31:12	susi	nvme_core.default_ps_max_latency=0 seems to be often-needed workaround, someone pointed it out yesterday
2021-10-25 18:31:47	Alison40	also in relation to my issues
2021-10-25 18:31:48	susi	but now it's power saving features are disabled
2021-10-25 18:38:46	marcello42	I am trying to passthrough a hard drive via USB with virmanager using qemu. But I get odd error messages hosts does not support requested feauture. I do not find anything related in the Arch Wiki. Do I need to install something additionally?
2021-10-25 18:40:18	umaxtu	I didn't
2021-10-25 18:44:32	evilop	marcello42: check the bios settings
2021-10-25 18:44:39	evilop	marcello42: also what hardware is this?
2021-10-25 18:44:49	marcello42	usb hard drive
2021-10-25 18:45:16	marcello42	I cannot boot it up with the drive attached
2021-10-25 18:46:01	marcello42	back for a min
2021-10-25 18:48:38	marcello42	re
2021-10-25 18:59:31	unixquuw	hello
2021-10-25 19:06:35	phrik	Title: no hello (at nohello.net)
2021-10-25 19:06:52	unixquuw	ah, sorry my bad.
2021-10-25 19:07:07	unixquuw	just wanted to say hello bhah
2021-10-25 19:08:43	susi	but it's so rude to not say hello :(
2021-10-25 19:09:01	susi	imagine everyone here saying "hello" when they joined :) would be so friendly environment
2021-10-25 19:10:18	keir	and noisy
2021-10-25 19:12:15	unixquuw	true
2021-10-25 19:13:51	keir	h4rd3n3D: i got a 404
2021-10-25 19:13:55	keir	your problem isn't real
2021-10-25 19:13:59	susi	h4rd3n3D: I no, i was just lollin :)
2021-10-25 19:17:12	coruja	h4rd3n3D: that's what you get when following random internet advice
2021-10-25 19:17:30	mefistofeles	 /wg 32
2021-10-25 19:17:35	mefistofeles	err
2021-10-25 19:20:16	susi	non-freedom has ever been non-free?
2021-10-25 19:20:37	susi	gotcha
2021-10-25 19:24:09	jiriks74	Hi, I need help with printer sharing. I have pc running kubuntu, which has the printer shared in settings. I'm having problems with arch running kde. In settings I add printer in the settings, it get's found, prompts me for driver (why?) and then if I try to use it, it says that the printer couldn't be cound
2021-10-25 19:24:24	jiriks74	I also tried it via cups web interface, same thing
2021-10-25 19:27:00	remanifest	Hey all, I'm using OpenVPN 2.5.4. When I connect to the VPN from NetworkManager, the connection is successful, but once the connection is active, none of my traffic is routed to the internet. This same connection (using the same ovpn config file) is working successfully on macOS, so I know the connection itself is fine. Any tips on where I can start with troubleshooting?
2021-10-25 19:27:19	remanifest	When I connect via openvpn3, the connection is also successful, but in that case, my "main" connection still works - the tunnel just isn't getting picked up. I'd prefer to use openvpn3 fwiw. I tried 'ip r', which shows the routes...
2021-10-25 19:28:23	remanifest	jiriks74: is this a network printer, or a printer directly connected to the Kubuntu workstation?
2021-10-25 19:29:06	jiriks74	<h4rd3n3D> Yes, yes
2021-10-25 19:29:49	jiriks74	<remanifest> Connected to the Kubuntu workstation. It's usb only, but I want to have that system turned on and have it as print server
2021-10-25 19:30:09	jiriks74	Also some other people use it, so I needed something that's harder to brake than arch XD
2021-10-25 19:31:02	remanifest	So is Kubuntu using IPP to broadcast the printer's availability? And you can access it from other devices?
2021-10-25 19:32:59	jiriks74	It should be. Though cups on my pc are saying they'll use dnssd (for looking it up?) and some hostname
2021-10-25 19:33:13	jiriks74	<h4rd3n3D> Sorry, yes yes and yes
2021-10-25 19:35:09	jiriks74	The drivers are weird though. From what I understand I should be able to add the printer without any drivers, that gets handled by the server, right?
2021-10-25 19:36:55	jiriks74	Anyway, as the first hand drivers are weird and the installer (yes custom installed) is from year close to 2000, it's not working. But someone said that they're basically repackaged samsung ml1210 drivers and that these are included with cups, but they're not... Have you ever heard of these drivers? Can't find them...
2021-10-25 19:37:38	remanifest	TIL that jiriks74 is using a Dot Matrix printer.
2021-10-25 19:37:51	jiriks74	Nope, laser printer
2021-10-25 19:37:52	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-10-25 19:37:57	jiriks74	Xerox Phaser 3117
2021-10-25 19:38:02	remanifest	I'm guessing Arch is needing drivers because it needs to understand how to send appropriate instructions to the printer. You're just using Kubuntu as an "advertiser" and queue manager.
2021-10-25 19:39:34	remanifest	This thread recommends Samsung ML-6040: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=56227
2021-10-25 19:39:36	phrik	Title: Printer (Xerox Phaser 3117) drivers [SOLVED] / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2021-10-25 19:42:14	jiriks74	Ok
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2021-10-25 19:45:06	jiriks74	<remanifest> Still can't find that damn driver
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2021-10-25 19:46:45	jiriks74	I tried some random driver but still "unable to locate driver"
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2021-10-25 19:46:56	jiriks74	I'll mess around with the ipp and ip for a while
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2021-10-25 19:47:29	mtn	jiriks74, can kubuntu use the printer? if so, which driver is it using?
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2021-10-25 19:48:02	jiriks74	mtn gimme a sec, I'll take a look
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2021-10-25 19:50:07	remanifest	jiriks74: it should be contained within the "splix" community package, I believe.
2021-10-25 19:50:27	docmax	how should i setup systemd-networkd on laptop with wlan0 and eth0?
2021-10-25 19:51:00	teraflops	are both up and connected to the same time?
2021-10-25 19:51:07	teraflops	to/at
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2021-10-25 19:52:57	jiriks74	mtn it uses official Xerox driver (from what it looks like)
2021-10-25 19:53:14	jiriks74	It's normally listed in the drivers menu
2021-10-25 19:53:28	mtn	jiriks74, and it works fine in kubuntu?
2021-10-25 19:53:32	◣	djapo (~archangel@user/djapo) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2021-10-25 19:53:37	jiriks74	Yes it does
2021-10-25 19:54:02	jiriks74	<remanifest> NICE
2021-10-25 19:54:11	jiriks74	Now I have the driver at least
2021-10-25 19:54:31	remanifest	jiriks74: the AUR also contains a package called "xerox-phaser-3320" with a description of "
2021-10-25 19:54:32	remanifest	CUPS driver for the Xerox Phaser 3320 series. Also supports Phaser 3117, 3140, 3160, 3200, 3250, 3250, 3300, 3435, 3600, 6110, WorkCentre 3210, 3220, 
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2021-10-25 19:54:34	remanifest	    3315, 3325, 3550, 4118, PE120, PE220, FaxCentre 2218
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2021-10-25 19:54:38	remanifest	oof, sorry folks.
2021-10-25 19:55:02	remanifest	This sounds like the best winrar
2021-10-25 19:55:29	jiriks74	If I get mad, I'll use samba
2021-10-25 19:55:44	jiriks74	urghhhhh
2021-10-25 19:57:16	jiriks74	THE PORT IS OPEN WHAT'S THE PROBLEM
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2021-10-25 19:58:55	teraflops	midi
2021-10-25 19:58:57	teraflops	opoops
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2021-10-25 20:01:54	remanifest	It may be that you need to use another protocol to connect to it
2021-10-25 20:04:37	MacGyver	Note that you don't need a cups "driver" (which is really just a description file of what the printer is capable of) to just connect to the printer.
2021-10-25 20:04:56	MacGyver	By which I mean, worry about *finding* it first before you worry about *configuring* it correctly.
2021-10-25 20:06:13	MacGyver	Also the most reliable way of connecting to networked printers is unfortunately still smb.
2021-10-25 20:06:19	jiriks74	<remanifest> Samba just worked, but I'd like to use cups...
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2021-10-25 20:08:12	unixquuw	teraflops: weren't you the one who used kitty?
2021-10-25 20:08:20	jiriks74	This is showed by lsof on the workstation, so it should work
2021-10-25 20:08:20	jiriks74	https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DNNq6P52Xb/
2021-10-25 20:08:20	unixquuw	tfu, not kitty*
2021-10-25 20:08:21	phrik	Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
2021-10-25 20:08:28	unixquuw	the uhh tff-joypixel font
2021-10-25 20:08:30	unixquuw	for emojis
2021-10-25 20:09:01	teraflops	yeah, well, I do prefer segoe ui emoji form windows 11
2021-10-25 20:09:05	teraflops	from^
2021-10-25 20:09:14	unixquuw	yeah i know, you told me like 2 days ago, anyways, ive got this small problem
2021-10-25 20:09:17	unixquuw	some emojis do not render.
2021-10-25 20:09:28	unixquuw	ive got ttf-joypixels, and segoe emojis
2021-10-25 20:09:44	◣	node1 (~node1@user/node1) ha salido (Quit: Client closed)
2021-10-25 20:09:46	unixquuw	for example this comet emoji "☄"
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2021-10-25 20:10:31	unixquuw	hmm
2021-10-25 20:10:50	unixquuw	guess ill install 1/2 of emoji fonts from aur repo, that will weight about 40gb's haha
2021-10-25 20:11:46	MacGyver	Or you can join us in resisting this regression to hieroglyphics!
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2021-10-25 20:12:22	unixquuw	nope, can't.
2021-10-25 20:12:31	unixquuw	gotta rice my zshrc till midnight
2021-10-25 20:12:42	MacGyver	You can, you just choose not to.
2021-10-25 20:13:00	jiriks74	<remanifest> May it be, that avahi is not installed on the server?
2021-10-25 20:13:13	MacGyver	FWIW, that thing is in my fonts and I don't have an insane amount of them installed.
2021-10-25 20:13:44	MacGyver	Possibly ttf-symbola.
2021-10-25 20:13:48	teraflops	why did I say windows 11? I meant 10 ;=
2021-10-25 20:14:23	MacGyver	Or noto-fonts-emoji.
2021-10-25 20:14:32	teraflops	unixquuw: to me windows ones look better in a dark themed terminal
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2021-10-25 20:14:39	unixquuw	true
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2021-10-25 20:15:09	MacGyver	One more good reason to use a light themed terminal.
2021-10-25 20:15:42	teraflops	I'm not that taliban ;)
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2021-10-25 20:15:49	teraflops	I just pick what I like
2021-10-25 20:16:23	MacGyver	Oh I thought you were referring to the colour scheme of the flag.
2021-10-25 20:16:29	MacGyver	In which case, you know, you'd be IS instead.
2021-10-25 20:16:52	unixquuw	why comete emoji decided to bulyl me
2021-10-25 20:16:54	unixquuw	bully*
2021-10-25 20:16:56	unixquuw	:_:
2021-10-25 20:17:06	MacGyver	unixquuw: But like I said, it's either in ttf-symbola or noto-fonts-emoji.
2021-10-25 20:17:25	teraflops	MacGyver: nah sorry I though that was an anti-windows rant
2021-10-25 20:17:26	MacGyver	So before installing half the fonts in existence from the AUR, try those.
2021-10-25 20:17:30	teraflops	I apologize
2021-10-25 20:17:37	MacGyver	teraflops: Oh no, no, it's an anti-dark-mode rant.
2021-10-25 20:17:42	teraflops	;)
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2021-10-25 20:17:52	MacGyver	Happily piggy-backing on "windows = bad" sentiments.
2021-10-25 20:17:54	unixquuw	ill try noto
2021-10-25 20:17:58	unixquuw	noto-fonts-emoji
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2021-10-25 20:18:00	unixquuw	okay
2021-10-25 20:18:02	unixquuw	got it
2021-10-25 20:18:08	unixquuw	nope
2021-10-25 20:18:21	unixquuw	Ive already got it installed /shrug
2021-10-25 20:18:23	MacGyver	unixquuw: You may find you need to restart things before font changes apply.
2021-10-25 20:18:25	MacGyver	Ah.
2021-10-25 20:18:36	MacGyver	Then I'm probably getting it from ttf-symbola.
2021-10-25 20:18:39	unixquuw	well, i always used fc-list -f -v and it was fine
2021-10-25 20:18:41	unixquuw	okay
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2021-10-25 20:19:19	unixquuw	wait, no, that's not possible
2021-10-25 20:19:25	unixquuw	omg
2021-10-25 20:19:29	unixquuw	i think it started working??
2021-10-25 20:19:57	teraflops	depending on the terminal client you are using changes are on the fly iirc
2021-10-25 20:19:57	jiriks74	Ok, so 
2021-10-25 20:19:58	jiriks74	If CUPS is started using socket activation, create a drop-in snippet for cups.socket so that socket activation also works for remote connections: 
2021-10-25 20:20:01	unixquuw	yep
2021-10-25 20:20:04	unixquuw	got it working
2021-10-25 20:20:12	unixquuw	thanks mac
2021-10-25 20:20:14	jiriks74	And archwiki says that I should do this
2021-10-25 20:20:17	teraflops	you usually do not need to fc-cache ever
2021-10-25 20:20:22	jiriks74	add file /etc/systemd/system/cups.socket.d/override.conf
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2021-10-25 20:20:30	jiriks74	But the dir doesn't exist on ubuntu
2021-10-25 20:20:37	jiriks74	Would it work if I created it?
2021-10-25 20:20:51	jiriks74	I have no idea how systemd works internaly
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2021-10-25 20:22:23	teraflops	jiriks74: what's inside that override?
2021-10-25 20:22:37	jiriks74	[Socket]
2021-10-25 20:22:37	jiriks74	ListenStream=631
2021-10-25 20:22:44	teraflops	!tias
2021-10-25 20:22:45	phrik	Try It And See™
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2021-10-25 20:28:04	jiriks74	I'm giving up
2021-10-25 20:28:08	jiriks74	I'll just use samba
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2021-10-25 20:28:58	teraflops	printing in linux can be a pita, I emphasise with you
2021-10-25 20:29:19	madhatt	empathize?
2021-10-25 20:29:19	jiriks74	Like
2021-10-25 20:29:24	jiriks74	The server works
2021-10-25 20:29:28	jiriks74	The cups server works
2021-10-25 20:29:33	teraflops	yah I was thinking in the typo
2021-10-25 20:29:37	frebib	Uh-oh, is this a known issue? "wireplumber and pipewire-media-session are in conflict" 
2021-10-25 20:30:04	jiriks74	I connected to it with ipp://hostname ipp://hostname/ipp ipp://ip ipp://ip/ipp did everything
2021-10-25 20:33:14	jiriks74	I gave up
2021-10-25 20:33:44	teraflops	set up a while ago a linux machine with javapos, thermal printer and cash counter and it was a pita
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2021-10-25 20:40:02	jiriks74	how do I add splashscreen when my arch boots?
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2021-10-25 20:41:36	gog	jiriks74: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/plymouth
2021-10-25 20:41:37	phrik	Title: Plymouth - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-25 20:41:42	teraflops	there is plymouth for grub
2021-10-25 20:41:54	teraflops	it also slows down the boot
2021-10-25 20:42:01	teraflops	so pick your poison
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2021-10-25 20:43:23	NetSysFire	plymouth may cause more problems than it solves
2021-10-25 20:44:32	⚡ 	teraflops agrees
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2021-10-25 20:49:56	gog	i have pretty good boot time with plymouth, i think without it'd save me all of 1 second
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2021-10-25 20:50:13	gog	but definitely a ymmv situation
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2021-10-25 20:53:26	susi	plymouth's pretty useless
2021-10-25 20:53:52	susi	or not worth it
2021-10-25 20:54:08	susi	(if worth anything)
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2021-10-25 20:55:00	teraflops	you have to deal with initramfs, the aur and grub, what could be wrong?
2021-10-25 20:55:30	teraflops	there's even an aur package for gdm
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2021-10-25 21:10:20	unixquuw	teraflops: can i search for aur packages here with a bot like lets say emiya?
2021-10-25 21:10:36	teraflops	iirc you can
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2021-10-25 21:11:43	teraflops	?aur plymouth
2021-10-25 21:11:55	teraflops	I cannot remember
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2021-10-25 21:12:43	NetSysFire	!aur plymouth
2021-10-25 21:12:44	phrik	NetSysFire: Is that a question?
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2021-10-25 21:15:03	NetSysFire	!aursearch plymouth
2021-10-25 21:15:04	phrik	Searching AUR packages... https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?K=plymouth
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2021-10-25 21:15:10	NetSysFire	teraflops: ^
2021-10-25 21:16:01	susi	doesn't it hide all the nice messages during boot/startup
2021-10-25 21:16:23	NetSysFire	it does
2021-10-25 21:16:33	teraflops	NetSysFire: ah, thanks, but I recall EMIYA had a ?thingy
2021-10-25 21:17:10	teraflops	idk… my neuron is weak
2021-10-25 21:17:34	unixquuw	lets go
2021-10-25 21:17:52	NetSysFire	i dont think EMIYA has such as function
2021-10-25 21:19:11	teraflops	?pkg tree
2021-10-25 21:19:12	@EMIYA	teraflops: extra/tree 1.8.0-2 (A directory listing program displaying a depth indented list of files)
2021-10-25 21:19:34	teraflops	might be that one and I'm dumb ;)
2021-10-25 21:19:39	NetSysFire	probably
2021-10-25 21:19:46	NetSysFire	the aur isnt indexed like that
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2021-10-25 21:19:58	unixquuw	does emiya run on arch linux
2021-10-25 21:20:08	teraflops	no idea tbh
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2021-10-25 21:20:19	NetSysFire	you have to ask grawity
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2021-10-25 21:20:26	NetSysFire	i know EMIYA is a perl script in irssi
2021-10-25 21:20:31	susi	most of the Arch infrastructure including www.acrhlinux.org runs on Arch, but who knows about this one
2021-10-25 21:20:45	NetSysFire	EMIYA is run by grawity on his own infra
2021-10-25 21:20:50	unixquuw	install gentoo on emiya's brain
2021-10-25 21:20:52	ℹ 	CompanionCube es conocido ahora como CrazyCube
2021-10-25 21:21:09	susi	heh well yeah, EMIYA not being part of "Arch infra" =P
2021-10-25 21:21:20	susi	pretty obvious, funny me
2021-10-25 21:21:41	susi	but anyway nice to know
2021-10-25 21:21:42	teraflops	!grab unixquuw 
2021-10-25 21:21:43	phrik	teraflops: Bazinga!
2021-10-25 21:21:44	grazzolini	EMIYA is not arch infra, phrik is
2021-10-25 21:21:49	unixquuw	what
2021-10-25 21:21:50	NetSysFire	yeah
2021-10-25 21:21:53	NetSysFire	/nick CaptainObvious
2021-10-25 21:22:37	teraflops	unixquuw: that's a good quote dude
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2021-10-25 21:23:26	NetSysFire	!rq teraflops
2021-10-25 21:23:26	phrik	NetSysFire: <teraflops> I dont event run arch I'm here because my therapist told me to socialize
2021-10-25 21:24:33	unixquuw	teraflops: what quote
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2021-10-25 21:24:42	teraflops	!rq unixquuw 
2021-10-25 21:24:43	phrik	teraflops: <unixquuw> install gentoo on emiya's brain
2021-10-25 21:24:43	unixquuw	ah
2021-10-25 21:24:45	unixquuw	gentoo
2021-10-25 21:24:47	teraflops	yeah
2021-10-25 21:24:49	unixquuw	lma
2021-10-25 21:25:00	susi	well, good and good..
2021-10-25 21:25:07	unixquuw	my friends want me to install gentoo to the school computer but literally i wont have time
2021-10-25 21:25:11	unixquuw	and i wouldnt
2021-10-25 21:25:19	unixquuw	because the disk space there is like 40gb of ssd??
2021-10-25 21:25:26	susi	so?
2021-10-25 21:25:27	unixquuw	and it's ofc windows 10
2021-10-25 21:25:35	susi	I'm running this system with ~19G of disk space
2021-10-25 21:25:38	teraflops	unixquuw: install exherbo there and youll be a hacker
2021-10-25 21:25:47	unixquuw	is exherbo another kali linux
2021-10-25 21:26:05	unixquuw	nvm
2021-10-25 21:26:07	unixquuw	its not
2021-10-25 21:26:10	NetSysFire	gentoo is a text adventure with insane performance requirements
2021-10-25 21:26:11	teraflops	susi: heh I run arch linux on a 32 GB sd card
2021-10-25 21:26:15	teraflops	slow as hell
2021-10-25 21:26:26	ℹ 	CrazyCube es conocido ahora como CompanionCube
2021-10-25 21:26:52	susi	teraflops: me too, 32G eMMC flash
2021-10-25 21:27:13	teraflops	unixquuw: ouch exherbo is what gentoo wanted to be
2021-10-25 21:27:35	unixquuw	so exherbo is gentoo grandfather's
2021-10-25 21:27:35	susi	teraflops: thinking about when will it fail.. it's already pretty old, this system's from 2017
2021-10-25 21:27:40	unixquuw	tfu
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2021-10-25 21:27:50	unixquuw	so exherbo is a grandfather of gentoo?
2021-10-25 21:27:57	teraflops	susi: $deity bless f2fs
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2021-10-25 21:28:28	susi	I have unjournaled ext4 :D
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2021-10-25 21:28:58	teraflops	give a try to f2fs if you can
2021-10-25 21:29:00	teraflops	http://ix.io/3CRu
2021-10-25 21:29:29	susi	I think I read about it a lot, and it didn't seem to offer that much or something.. must re-investigate
2021-10-25 21:30:06	teraflops	better performance, journal and it's very stable as well
2021-10-25 21:30:06	◣	trumee (~rajlon.dy@122.167.166.20) ha salido (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in)
2021-10-25 21:31:22	umaxtu	how stable is it?
2021-10-25 21:31:27	susi	this has been stable and performed well-enough what to be expected all the time :)
2021-10-25 21:31:35	◣	mei (~mei@user/mei) ha salido (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2021-10-25 21:31:36	teraflops	as in been running 24x7 like 2 years and 0 issues
2021-10-25 21:31:41	susi	but for how long
2021-10-25 21:31:56	unixquuw	i think people that run arch from 32bit emmc are either intel atom users OR masochists.
2021-10-25 21:31:59	teraflops	it's an atomic pi
2021-10-25 21:32:00	unixquuw	or they own a raspberry pi 4
2021-10-25 21:32:15	◣	duxsco (~duxsco@2a01:c23:c595:b210::4b0) ha salido (Quit: Leaving)
2021-10-25 21:32:23	umaxtu	though I'm running btrfs so I guess that makes my stability requirements rather low
2021-10-25 21:32:24	susi	this is my laptop's internal emmc
2021-10-25 21:32:28	teraflops	unbound weechat nginx wireguard and so on
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2021-10-25 21:32:58	susi	my raspberry pi 3 actually boots from usb stick
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2021-10-25 21:33:03	teraflops	I do not even dare to rub btrfs on an sd card
2021-10-25 21:33:08	teraflops	run^
2021-10-25 21:33:19	umaxtu	yeah. I found a case that adds a sata m.2 slot
2021-10-25 21:34:37	unixquuw	wait guys, if any of you aren't underage and they actually pay for they own electricity, how much does a working 24/7 raspberry pi that is ON for entire year costs
2021-10-25 21:34:41	unixquuw	like the electricity bill
2021-10-25 21:34:46	teraflops	I got tired of arm SBCs and I grab an x86_64 one, pretty solid
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2021-10-25 21:38:43	unixquuw	welp
2021-10-25 21:38:50	teraflops	unixquuw: arm or any low power SBC is great for selfhosting
2021-10-25 21:39:03	unixquuw	ye i know, but im thinking about one of those backup servers
2021-10-25 21:39:10	unixquuw	like ynow, a 1TB ssd plugged into rpi4
2021-10-25 21:39:20	unixquuw	working 24/7 backuping my files every idk week
2021-10-25 21:39:22	◣	luxemboye (~luxemboye@gateway/tor-sasl/luxemboye) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2021-10-25 21:39:23	teraflops	the only VPS I still have, is becouse mail server and ipv4
2021-10-25 21:39:36	unixquuw	because i tend to remove accidentally my stuff like zshrc or config files
2021-10-25 21:39:41	unixquuw	OR MY entire home directory
2021-10-25 21:39:43	unixquuw	once
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2021-10-25 21:39:57	unixquuw	folders called ~ are true mines
2021-10-25 21:40:05	teraflops	ouch
2021-10-25 21:40:08	unixquuw	for idiot's like me
2021-10-25 21:40:31	unixquuw	wait it wasnt a folder, it was a document lol
2021-10-25 21:41:04	TheSilentLink	Hi anyone know why I'm missing the /dev/ttyusb device
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2021-10-25 21:41:17	TheSilentLink	 /dev/ttyusb0 *
2021-10-25 21:41:30	teraflops	usb to serial thingy?
2021-10-25 21:41:41	susi	TheSilentLink: I guess it's Arch linux arm?
2021-10-25 21:41:50	teraflops	did you install a new kernel and forgot to reboot?
2021-10-25 21:41:53	TheSilentLink	susi: nope arch x86
2021-10-25 21:42:04	NetSysFire	!kernelcheck
2021-10-25 21:42:04	evilop	uname -r; pacman -Q linux
2021-10-25 21:42:04	phrik	compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2021-10-25 21:42:09	NetSysFire	if one of them differs, reboot
2021-10-25 21:42:13	teraflops	yeah
2021-10-25 21:42:18	teraflops	good old minicom ;)
2021-10-25 21:42:18	TheSilentLink	same version
2021-10-25 21:42:32	NetSysFire	unplug the thing, run journalctl -f, plug it in again
2021-10-25 21:42:35	NetSysFire	inspect the output
2021-10-25 21:42:35	TheSilentLink	linux 5.14.14.arch1-1
2021-10-25 21:43:03	evilop	that is only half of it
2021-10-25 21:43:11	◣	kadavul (~vazha@103.165.21.248) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2021-10-25 21:45:39	TheSilentLink	solved it orca and brltty was grabbing it when it isn't a braille device
2021-10-25 21:47:06	◣	u0 (~user01@user/u0) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.3)
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2021-10-25 22:06:58	jiriks74	So
2021-10-25 22:07:06	jiriks74	Why am I missing it?
2021-10-25 22:07:08	jiriks74	==> ERROR: Hook 'amdgpu' cannot be found
2021-10-25 22:07:24	jiriks74	I tried to do mkinitcpio -P
2021-10-25 22:07:51	susi	jiriks74: add it to your MODULES array
2021-10-25 22:08:04	susi	not HOOKs
2021-10-25 22:08:08	jiriks74	Oh, ok
2021-10-25 22:09:01	damarusama	trying to scrot the hdmi port on a 'headless' remote server, I see that I can do scrot -D display to take a screenshot of a different display, how do I know what display is what? Like is that a lsdisplay ? 
2021-10-25 22:11:05	susi	are you running Xorg on your headless server?
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2021-10-25 22:54:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2021-10-25 22:28:12	th0rne	How do I know if this is the required hardware?
2021-10-25 22:30:01	th0rne	I mean, probably?
2021-10-25 22:31:43	th0rne	Although it did boot on lts? Using the same mkinitcpio?
2021-10-25 22:31:56	evilop	getting a panic with amdgpu in modules?
2021-10-25 22:32:04	Namarrgon	look at the journal
2021-10-25 22:33:56	th0rne	What am I looking for?
2021-10-25 22:34:17	Namarrgon	problems with the gpu driver, i would guess
2021-10-25 22:34:28	th0rne	Well, this is there, as before: 'kernel: [drm:retrieve_link_cap [amdgpu]] *ERROR* retrieve_link_cap: Read dpcd data failed.'
2021-10-25 22:34:46	th0rne	I think that happens when you plug the monitor in via display port.
2021-10-25 22:36:32	susi	try journalctl -b-1 to read previous boot's logs
2021-10-25 22:36:45	susi	the one that 'didn't boot at all'
2021-10-25 22:36:50	th0rne	I mean it got stuck on the like the very second thing.
2021-10-25 22:36:50	th0rne	Yeah.
2021-10-25 22:37:40	th0rne	xrandr says 'DisplayPort-{0,1,2} disconnected', but is there a way to do like, 'xrandr --output DisplayPort-0 --force', if you get what I mean?
2021-10-25 22:37:53	th0rne	Because it is connected.
2021-10-25 22:48:57	susi	there must be some core issue your monitors not getting detected and such
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2021-10-25 23:43:35	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2021-10-25 23:11:36	mcurran	yes
2021-10-25 23:11:55	mcurran	I'm thinking i might need to add the nomodeset in the boot parameter
2021-10-25 23:15:45	luca020400	???/set buflist.look.sort irc_server.disconnected,number
2021-10-25 23:15:52	luca020400	derp sorry
2021-10-25 23:16:22	NetSysFire	no, this is a grave crime
2021-10-25 23:16:49	evilop	you will now be fed to a grue
2021-10-25 23:19:41	⚡ 	phantomotap throws luca020400 a flashlight
2021-10-25 23:33:05	carbolymer	how can I escape + sign in systemd command?
2021-10-25 23:33:23	carbolymer	in unit file
2021-10-25 23:39:18	jkc	carbolymer: Might help to pastebin what you have so far and indicate where the offending + sign is.
2021-10-25 23:42:34	carbolymer	jkc: hmm, it wasn't fault of plus sign, I had RootDirectory which was breaking my unit somehow
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2021-10-26 00:36:21	Nomenclatura	Hey, thanks for the ParallelDownloads! No longer need aria for pacman :)
2021-10-26 00:37:22	Nomenclatura	in fact I love y'all < (and no I'm not drunk... yet)
2021-10-26 00:47:00	alison40	set it up and it all works
2021-10-26 00:47:19	alison40	another thanks to everyone here for helping set this nightmare up
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2021-10-26 03:55:57	Abdullah	error while loading shared libraries: libQt5Multimedia.so.5
2021-10-26 03:57:11	Namarrgon	which command gave you that error?
2021-10-26 03:59:39	Abdullah	I was starting packet tracer Namarrgon 
2021-10-26 04:00:42	Abdullah	I have to install qt5-multimedia 
2021-10-26 04:00:54	Abdullah	This file belongs to this package
2021-10-26 04:02:16	Abdullah	also qt-webengine
2021-10-26 04:02:37	jaawerth	Abdullah: sounds like  broken dep - what packet tracer caused that? what packet did it come from?
2021-10-26 04:02:59	jaawerth	s/what packet/what package/ lol
2021-10-26 04:03:29	Abdullah	AUR packettracer jaawerth
2021-10-26 04:05:15	jaawerth	ahh yeah thought it sounded like a broken AUR package
2021-10-26 04:07:45	Abdullah	not a broken one.
2021-10-26 04:09:05	jaawerth	well, among the the 4 aur packages in there, packettracker61 and packettracer7 include qt5-webengine as a dep, whereas packettracer62 and packettracer do not; if either of the latter need it to run, I'd call that a broken PKGBUILD
2021-10-26 04:09:14	jaawerth	worth submitting a patch IMO
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2021-10-26 04:43:26	pycurious	any ideas on how to solve this? The errors I see are - > (debug: returning error 33 from alpm_db_get_pkg (../lib/libalpm/db.c: 248) : could not find or read package) and debug: using cachedir: /var/cache/pacman/pkg/
2021-10-26 04:43:48	pycurious	when I do RUN pacman -Sv --debug gcc make --noconfirm --needed — inside a docker build
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2021-10-26 05:09:31	pycurious	does anyone have a good mirror suggestion to replace this -> https://archive.archlinux.org/repos/2021/07/01/$repo/os/$arch ?
2021-10-26 05:09:56	gehidore	-Syu :)
2021-10-26 05:11:21	pycurious	gehidore: RUN pacman -Syyu --noconfirm — I tried that - it still hangs
2021-10-26 05:12:29	pycurious	gehidore: https://dpaste.org/9TMy - this hangs
2021-10-26 05:12:30	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-dkF.txt
2021-10-26 05:12:30	phrik	Title: dpaste/9TMy (Nginx configuration file) (at dpaste.org)
2021-10-26 05:13:42	pycurious	last line says its going to download 49.26Mb and never finished. 
2021-10-26 05:15:27	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-10-26 05:16:06	NetSysFire	!Syyu
2021-10-26 05:16:06	phrik	The double yy in `pacman -Syyu` is almost never needed. If you're switching to a mirror that uses an older copy of the repos, see !Syyuu instead. Unless your repo databases are completely corrupted, force-downloading already-up-to-date ones accomplishes nothing other than to waste bandwidth and server load. Do your part in conserving the internet, and avoid Syyu!
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2021-10-26 05:34:54	hejux	any thoughts ? https://paste.rs/WD0
2021-10-26 05:35:20	NetSysFire	#bash
2021-10-26 05:35:32	hejux	yeah. sorry 
2021-10-26 05:35:48	SponiX	community/exfat-utils 1.3.0-2
2021-10-26 05:35:48	SponiX	    Utilities for exFAT file system
2021-10-26 05:35:48	SponiX	community/exfatprogs 1.1.2-1
2021-10-26 05:35:48	SponiX	    exFAT filesystem userspace utilities for the Linux Kernel exfat driver
2021-10-26 05:36:23	SponiX	do I need exfatprogs just to mount and use an exfat formatted usb stick ?
2021-10-26 05:52:13	bparker	SponiX: no
2021-10-26 05:52:40	bparker	and exfat-utils already comes with all the same tools that exfatprogs has
2021-10-26 05:52:46	bparker	so it's pointless
2021-10-26 05:53:02	bparker	the only difference is exfat-utils has mount and the other doesn't
2021-10-26 05:53:59	bparker	and they conflict with each other anyway so you can only install one
2021-10-26 05:54:25	SponiX	thanks
2021-10-26 05:55:08	SponiX	the reason my exfat stick I just wrote probably won't mount then is likely because my running kernel, and my built kernel are out of sync with each other
2021-10-26 05:55:13	SponiX	most likely then
2021-10-26 05:56:47	SponiX	!kernel
2021-10-26 05:56:47	phrik	SponiX: BLEEP BLOOP
2021-10-26 05:57:48	NetSysFire	!kernelcheck
2021-10-26 05:57:48	phrik	compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2021-10-26 06:03:27	msk	hi
2021-10-26 06:04:33	NetSysFire	welcome to #archlinux, how may we confuse you today?
2021-10-26 06:04:47	msk	inside archlinux VM, the docker daemon on starting creates an interface 'br-ebfaf899053a' in addition to 'docker0'. what's that for ? what is it's purpose ?
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2021-10-26 06:31:13	msk	thanks NetSysFire
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2021-10-26 16:04:56	jancoow	how can I skip integrity checks ? wanted to quickly upgrade beekeeper by topping up the version: https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=beekeeper-studio-bin and commented out the sha256 but then I'm receiving an error: Integrity checks are missing for: source source_x86_64
2021-10-26 16:04:57	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-10-26 16:11:40	bea	man makepkg
2021-10-26 16:14:52	jancoow	that does not answer my question.
2021-10-26 16:15:28	NetSysFire	the manual does though
2021-10-26 16:16:12	bea	if only there was a flag or an option that you could pass to makepkg
2021-10-26 16:16:30	bea	and if only it was documented in some sort of "manual page"
2021-10-26 16:17:22	jelle	bea: but the pkgbuild has sha256sum_x86_64 defined
2021-10-26 16:17:48	jancoow	bea if only someone with knowing the answer is not to selfish to explain that to another user..
2021-10-26 16:18:10	jancoow	yes I know htere is an option --skipinteg but I don't see an option to pass that in a PKGBUILD
2021-10-26 16:19:05	Foxboron	jancoow: You can't.
2021-10-26 16:19:39	Foxboron	jancoow: you can add 'SKIP' in the checksum if you really do not care about integrity hecks
2021-10-26 16:19:46	bea	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PKGBUILD#Integrity
2021-10-26 16:19:47	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-26 16:19:53	jancoow	Foxboron yes I figured that out in the mean time..
2021-10-26 16:20:06	jancoow	had to add that in sha256sum
2021-10-26 16:20:09	bea	seems 6/half dozen
2021-10-26 16:20:15	bea	but :shrug:
2021-10-26 16:20:26	jelle	what are you all on about :D
2021-10-26 16:20:34	jelle	makepkg -o -d works fine here
2021-10-26 16:20:52	Foxboron	jelle: they wanted it passed in the PKGBUILD
2021-10-26 16:20:57	Scimmia	jancoow: --skipinteg is a command line option, you don't add it to the PKGBUILD
2021-10-26 16:21:01	jelle	Foxboron: that's not the issue
2021-10-26 16:21:15	jelle	jancoow: can you pastebin the output and the $ARCH you are running?
2021-10-26 16:21:29	Scimmia	jelle: they changed the version
2021-10-26 16:21:40	jelle	aha
2021-10-26 16:21:50	⚡ 	jelle misread
2021-10-26 16:21:55	⚡ 	bea squints
2021-10-26 16:23:51	bea	while you're at it, you might want to spam flag the package out of date
2021-10-26 16:24:16	⚡ 	bea backs away slowly
2021-10-26 16:24:32	lostchild	grawity: hey can I dm you?:)
2021-10-26 16:31:45	User0xbadcafe	hi everyone, would anyone happen to have debug symbols for the thunderbird package ?
2021-10-26 16:32:01	User0xbadcafe	i'm trying to compile them at the moment but it isn't exactly a smooth ride
2021-10-26 16:45:49	Namarrgon	User0xbadcafe: a quick look at the list of unofficial repos doesn't show any that provide debug packages for thunderbird
2021-10-26 16:46:41	Esmil	I just added https://archriscv.felixc.at/ to my RISC-V distro zoo: http://sprunge.us/2XOZa1 Do you guys know who is behind this port and why there is no #archlinux-riscv?
2021-10-26 16:46:56	jelle	Esmil: it's felixonmars :)
2021-10-26 16:47:06	jelle	what's a riscv zoo
2021-10-26 16:47:23	Esmil	it's a distro zoo. i have almost all the distros running on my starlight board
2021-10-26 16:49:50	jelle	wew first hit: "BeagleV Starlight SBC won’t be mass manufactured, redesigned BeagleV RISC-V SBC expected in Q1 2022"
2021-10-26 16:51:05	Esmil	jelle: starfive has produced more jh7100s (the chip on the starlight board), and has teamed up with Radxa to sell more boards "soon"
2021-10-26 16:51:15	Esmil	i've seen pictures of the new board at least
2021-10-26 16:51:47	jelle	interesting
2021-10-26 16:52:35	User0xbadcafe	thanks for checking Namarrgon :)
2021-10-26 16:52:43	User0xbadcafe	out of curiosity, where did you find that list?
2021-10-26 16:52:57	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unofficial_user_repositories
2021-10-26 16:52:58	phrik	Title: Unofficial user repositories - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-26 16:53:26	felixonmars	Esmil: the channel is at #archlinuxriscv
2021-10-26 16:53:35	User0xbadcafe	thx :)
2021-10-26 16:53:38	Esmil	felixonmars: ah! thanks
2021-10-26 16:53:39	felixonmars	it's not mine, it is already there before i started the port
2021-10-26 16:54:14	Esmil	felixonmars: heh and it breaks the pattern of fedora-riscv, debian-riscv, gentoo-riscv and ubuntu-riscv
2021-10-26 16:55:12	jelle	felixonmars: should we put this on the website somewhere hmmm
2021-10-26 16:55:45	Esmil	i think so
2021-10-26 17:02:06	ttnk	hello, i have a server running on virtualbox, the disk is encrypted so it ask for password on start but i want to run it headless, i found this https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/290434/how-to-start-an-encrypted-virtualbox-vm-from-terminal-in-headless-mode to unlock the encrypted password but it does not work, by any chance anybody here have done that? i cant find info on it
2021-10-26 17:02:07	phrik	Title: encryption - How to start an encrypted VirtualBox VM from terminal in headless mode - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2021-10-26 17:14:18	bud	hello everybody!
2021-10-26 17:17:21	ttnk	hi bud
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2021-10-26 17:57:12	ttnk	Khorne: luks
2021-10-26 17:57:27	Khorne	ttnk, well, that link won't do anything for you then
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2021-10-26 17:57:39	Khorne	Because thats about a machine that virtualbox encrypted
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2021-10-26 17:59:06	fulaphex	Scimmia: any idea on why those kernel modules are not being cleaned up automatically?
2021-10-26 17:59:20	Scimmia	fulaphex: as I asked before, what's in those dirs?
2021-10-26 17:59:21	ttnk	Khorne: i didnt know that vm could be encrypted, havent used it for a while, but by any chance do you know how to do what i need?
2021-10-26 18:00:01	Khorne	ttnk, only thing that comes to mind is https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Specialties#Remote_unlocking_of_the_root_(or_other)_partition
2021-10-26 18:00:03	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Specialties - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-26 18:00:10	fulaphex	http://ix.io/3CXF
2021-10-26 18:00:15	fulaphex	all the files in one of them
2021-10-26 18:01:17	fulaphex	sorry, but I am not familiar with that directory and that part of arch altogether, so I didn't know how to repond
2021-10-26 18:01:43	Scimmia	so it still has all of the modules. It does sound like you've got a hook or something like Khorne mentioned.
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2021-10-26 18:02:29	ioni	yo
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2021-10-26 18:02:41	ttnk	Khorne: thanks, ill read that
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2021-10-26 18:02:57	ioni	where's my gnome?
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2021-10-26 18:03:50	AMDIsOurLord	So, is getting lib32-gst-plugins-bad and lib32-gst-plugins-ugly supposed to be this convoluted?
2021-10-26 18:03:55	jelle	ioni: become dev again you lazy!
2021-10-26 18:04:05	AMDIsOurLord	Broken linking, bad PKGBUILDS, terrible stuff all around
2021-10-26 18:04:15	AMDIsOurLord	been hacking at this for like.. 4 hours? now
2021-10-26 18:04:17	ioni	jelle, oh right!
2021-10-26 18:04:25	ioni	jelle, maybe I should!
2021-10-26 18:04:43	ioni	now that i have a ryzen 7 5800X :))
2021-10-26 18:04:46	jelle	AMDIsOurLord: constructive critism is a thing
2021-10-26 18:04:49	fulaphex	hmm, I think i'm actually using something that isn't cleaning up my kernel modules
2021-10-26 18:04:51	jelle	niceeee
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2021-10-26 18:05:55	AMDIsOurLord	the PKGBUILD stuff already commented in relevant AUR package, but as for the rest I don't even know what's broken
2021-10-26 18:06:11	AMDIsOurLord	I'm really checking to see if other people have same issue or is my setup broken
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2021-10-26 18:06:38	AMDIsOurLord	in particular, compiling lib32-ffmpeg yields "libavcodec/libavcodec.so: undefined reference to `x264_encoder_open_163'"
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2021-10-26 18:08:38	Scimmia	AMDIsOurLord: bulding in a clean chroot?
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2021-10-26 18:10:27	fulaphex	I got rid of those hooks, can I safely remove the old kernel modules now?
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2021-10-26 18:11:32	Scimmia	fulaphex: yes
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2021-10-26 19:11:06	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1372 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1371 normals)
2021-10-26 19:00:00	lostchild	hi everyone <3
2021-10-26 19:00:01	lostchild	 is there a way to make ip rules persistent after reboots? Should I create another eth0-rules.network config? Or relative persistance can be only reached via a script containing ip rules that will be picked up upon system start?
2021-10-26 19:00:23	susi	th0rne: do you have 'amdgpu' in MODULES=() array in your mkinitcpio.conf, and have you re-generated initramfs after adding it?
2021-10-26 19:00:49	th0rne	Oh, I had it, but removed it, since it seems to make boot not stable.
2021-10-26 19:00:58	th0rne	Let me try adding and regenerating again.
2021-10-26 19:02:13	th0rne	susi❱ usr/lib/firmware/amdgpu/polaris11_k_mc.bin
2021-10-26 19:05:16	susi	maybe try to boot it and see where it gets stuck, you could even try to ssh into it to check logs, or boot archiso and inspect host journals with journalctl
2021-10-26 19:05:31	th0rne	Hmm, ok.
2021-10-26 19:05:45	th0rne	With or without amdgpu.dc=0?
2021-10-26 19:05:48	susi	without
2021-10-26 19:05:50	th0rne	OK.
2021-10-26 19:08:02	th0rne	Looks like I lied, it does boot.
2021-10-26 19:08:21	th0rne	But the DP issue didn't go anywhere.
2021-10-26 19:08:23	susi	now that you have amdgpu module in your initramfs :)
2021-10-26 19:09:11	th0rne	Yes, sure, but I'm back to square one.
2021-10-26 19:10:08	susi	xrandr --listmonitors does not indicate it recognizes them?
2021-10-26 19:10:22	th0rne	No.
2021-10-26 19:10:27	th0rne	It's basically this problem: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=255239
2021-10-26 19:10:28	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] 2nd monitor connected via DP not working anymore / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-10-26 19:10:39	th0rne	Except for me, plugging in HDMI doesn't fix DP.
2021-10-26 19:10:44	susi	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/multihead here's some xorg conf stuff
2021-10-26 19:10:46	phrik	Title: Multihead - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-26 19:10:56	susi	I'm not using multihead system, don't know anymore
2021-10-26 19:11:08	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-10-26 19:11:09	th0rne	No, I have one monitor.
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2021-10-26 19:11:32	th0rne	Ok, so it's not like that problem, my mistake.
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2021-10-26 19:12:20	susi	do you have this under your xorg.conf.d: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AMDGPU#Xorg_configuration
2021-10-26 19:12:22	phrik	Title: AMDGPU - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-10-26 19:13:55	susi	tho it might be redundant, if Xorg automatically identifies it
2021-10-26 19:14:08	th0rne	Identifies what?
2021-10-26 19:14:30	susi	the driver, amdgpu
2021-10-26 19:14:32	th0rne	It does seem like I get that error before Xorg, also.
2021-10-26 19:14:46	th0rne	This one: [drm:retrieve_link_cap [amdgpu]] *ERROR* retrieve_link_cap: Read dpcd data failed.
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2021-10-26 19:17:18	th0rne	So it's probably not an X issue? Or?
2021-10-26 19:18:40	susi	might be that using a custom EDID profile under /usr/lib/firmware/edid and embedding it into initramfs (FILES=) could help you, but I don't know anything about creating custom EDID profiles
2021-10-26 19:19:01	susi	and maybe trying early kms if it does anything, dunno
2021-10-26 19:19:23	susi	th0rne: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Forcing_modes_and_EDID
2021-10-26 19:19:24	phrik	Title: Kernel mode setting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-26 19:19:34	susi	>If your native resolution is not automatically configured or no display at all is detected, then your monitor might send none or just a skewed EDID file. 
2021-10-26 19:20:23	susi	there's some guidance for creating the custom EDID file, I'd try that :)
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2021-10-26 19:41:12	heat	Hi, I-ve reinstalled arch on my laptop after switching disks and things seem to have gone wrong in regards to KDE + input devices. My touchpad is being recognised as a mouse and not as a touchpad in KDE's settings, and no keyboard is even showing up under Input Devices
2021-10-26 19:41:41	heat	(I'm using xf86-input-libinput)
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2021-10-26 19:44:45	heat	any ideas?
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2021-10-26 19:46:17	susi	heat: check `xinput list`
2021-10-26 19:47:23	heat	!paste
2021-10-26 19:47:23	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-10-26 19:47:51	heat	I get this: https://gist.github.com/heatd/1eba12ab5fe4e519522422dc9ee77149
2021-10-26 19:49:17	heat	fyi I'm not 100% sure but I believe gnome was working fine
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2021-10-26 19:49:41	susi	I have almost same elantech touchpad, but I'm not using a graphical DE
2021-10-26 19:49:49	susi	maybe check https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/libinput
2021-10-26 19:49:49	phrik	Title: libinput - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-26 19:49:58	greyltc_	wireplumber and pipewire-media-session are in conflict
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2021-10-26 19:50:10	greyltc_	so I should get rid of pipewire-media-session?
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2021-10-26 19:53:02	teraflops	!FS#72283 
2021-10-26 19:53:03	phrik	teraflops: No idea
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2021-10-26 19:53:28	teraflops	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/72283
2021-10-26 19:53:29	phrik	Title: FS#72283 : [pipewire-media-session,wireplumber] Add `provides=('pipewire-session-manager')` (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2021-10-26 19:53:34	heat	hmm i'm not sure how but I think I've fixed it
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2021-10-26 19:53:40	teraflops	greyltc_: ^^
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2021-10-26 19:54:42	heat	yup, a quick reboot confirms it
2021-10-26 19:54:45	heat	that was /weird/
2021-10-26 19:54:52	heat	thanks anyway! :)
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2021-10-26 19:56:27	teraflops	ah so it's /fs #foo
2021-10-26 19:56:43	greyltc_	somehow I think my sound is about to break
2021-10-26 19:57:29	susi	heat: np ;)
2021-10-26 19:57:51	susi	heat: btw I recommend those three options I've set for my touchpad: https://0x0.st/-d78.txt
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2021-10-26 20:00:57	susi	heat: you can find those under `man 4 libinput`
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2021-10-26 20:01:29	th0rne	susi❱ Thanks, I'll look at this EDID thing.
2021-10-26 20:01:45	heat	susi: huh I have no man 4 libinput
2021-10-26 20:01:58	heat	oh wait no lol, I just forgot to install man
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2021-10-26 20:03:34	susi	remember to install both man-db and man-pages (or there are localized versions of man-pages too)
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2021-10-26 20:18:00	lostchild	Guys, is there a package for keeping IP Rules Persistent after reboots?
2021-10-26 20:18:47	lostchild	similar to  netfilters-persistent on Debian?
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2021-10-26 20:20:05	teraflops	are you talking about iptables?
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2021-10-26 20:20:43	greyltc_	lostchild: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Iptables#Configuration_and_usage
2021-10-26 20:20:45	phrik	Title: iptables - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-26 20:20:53	teraflops	iy ypo are, there's iptables-nft with the save restore scripts
2021-10-26 20:21:03	teraflops	if you are^
2021-10-26 20:21:07	lostchild	Yes
2021-10-26 20:21:13	lostchild	I am talking about IPtabels
2021-10-26 20:21:17	lostchild	iptables :P
2021-10-26 20:21:28	teraflops	iptables-nft 
2021-10-26 20:21:31	susi	I have nftables installed, and nftables.service reads my /etc/nftables.conf
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2021-10-26 20:24:05	teraflops	lostchild: btw, you can e.g pacman -Fy iptables-save
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2021-10-26 20:24:39	teraflops	oh you can also pacman -F iptables-{save,restore}
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2021-10-26 20:25:56	lostchild	wow, thanks
2021-10-26 20:26:03	lostchild	let me try that
2021-10-26 20:26:06	lostchild	big hugs <3
2021-10-26 20:26:06	teraflops	nah, glad to help
2021-10-26 20:26:23	teraflops	-y requires sudo as it updates the db
2021-10-26 20:26:54	lostchild	+
2021-10-26 20:26:57	greyltc_	the trick was to remove wireplumber, update all packages, then reinstall wireplumber and then it could manage removal of pipewire-media-session correctly
2021-10-26 20:27:15	teraflops	greyltc_: both packages provides pipewire-media-session
2021-10-26 20:27:28	teraflops	or that I understand from the bug report
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2021-10-26 20:29:16	lostchild	greyltc_: thanks for pointing me to this section in the documentation
2021-10-26 20:29:19	greyltc_	I hadn't run pacman -Syu in a few days so I think there was some race condition with that pipewire-session-manager dep
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2021-10-26 20:30:03	greyltc_	lostchild: np!
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2021-10-26 20:33:14	lostchild	greyltc_: maybe a very stupid question but anyway. iptables.service is not enabled by default when the system is installed?
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2021-10-26 20:34:00	lostchild	i just checked the status of mine and it is.... dead...
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2021-10-26 20:34:21	teraflops	nothing's enabled when installed
2021-10-26 20:34:29	teraflops	this is not like e.g debian
2021-10-26 20:34:35	lostchild	:D
2021-10-26 20:34:36	lostchild	lol
2021-10-26 20:34:39	lostchild	got it
2021-10-26 20:34:44	lostchild	thanks a lot
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2021-10-26 20:34:46	teraflops	np
2021-10-26 20:35:20	lostchild	so by enabling this service, ip rules should be saved normally and stay persistent between reboots?
2021-10-26 20:35:27	powerman2206	Can I make it so that a single program opens all file types? Something like `video/*=mpv.desktop`, for example
2021-10-26 20:35:34	teraflops	you can also enable and start a service one-shot like: systemctl enable --now foo
2021-10-26 20:35:48	powerman2206	A StackExchange post I found says `video/allfiles` should work, but it doesn't. Same with `video/octet-stream`
2021-10-26 20:36:05	powerman2206	(talking about MIME, ofc)
2021-10-26 20:36:07	susi	powerman2206: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Default_applications
2021-10-26 20:36:09	phrik	Title: Default applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-10-26 20:38:39	SysGhost	powerman2206: it has to do with what order things are looked up. When you "engage" a file, the environment checks its mime and then goes into a mimelist to see what application is registered with that mime. Then the environment checks for the application for it.
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2021-10-26 20:39:19	SysGhost	if the application isn't found (the corresponding .desktop is missing) it goes to the next application in that mimetype application list.
2021-10-26 20:39:21	teraflops	lostchild: both commands are explained here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/iptables
2021-10-26 20:39:23	phrik	Title: iptables - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-26 20:39:41	teraflops	"Configuration and usage"
2021-10-26 20:39:49	powerman2206	SysGhost: hmm, and where is that application list?
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2021-10-26 20:40:31	powerman2206	Like, say I don't have mpv and xdg-open opens it with VLC or something, where did it get the info that VLC can open video files?
2021-10-26 20:41:17	teraflops	powerman2206: I think the answer to that is in xdg-open script
2021-10-26 20:41:40	powerman2206	Time to go through 1000 lines of code
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2021-10-26 20:42:58	SysGhost	powerman2206: start with /home/sysghost/.config/mimeapps.list
2021-10-26 20:43:09	SysGhost	oh... sysgghost being your username
2021-10-26 20:43:11	susi	I have my mime stuff under ~/.config/mimeapps.list that xdg-open reads
2021-10-26 20:43:19	powerman2206	That much I understand, yes
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2021-10-26 20:43:32	powerman2206	Then it reads /etc/xdg/mimeapps.list
2021-10-26 20:43:35	powerman2206	But there's nothing there
2021-10-26 20:44:03	SysGhost	that's the system wide override file. should only exist if one need a asystem-wide override ;)
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2021-10-26 20:44:15	powerman2206	Hm, right
2021-10-26 20:44:32	powerman2206	Anyways, I'm going off-track
2021-10-26 20:44:39	SysGhost	most mime habndling is done within the users configs
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2021-10-26 20:44:48	phantomotap	i think the app specific stuff is under the /usr/share/applications files
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2021-10-26 20:45:13	powerman2206	Oh, yeah
2021-10-26 20:45:16	SysGhost	there's also .local/share/applications/mimeapps.list 
2021-10-26 20:45:25	powerman2206	In the .desktop files, `MimeType=...`
2021-10-26 20:45:30	powerman2206	Probably looks into that
2021-10-26 20:45:34	SysGhost	but it suspect that one is deprecated. Although some envs still use it
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2021-10-26 20:45:59	powerman2206	Now that that's cleared up, back to the original problem
2021-10-26 20:46:11	greyltc_	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_MIME_Applications#mimeapps.list might help you
2021-10-26 20:46:12	phrik	Title: XDG MIME Applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-26 20:46:31	greyltc_	as might the lsdesktopf utility from the AUR
2021-10-26 20:46:47	powerman2206	hm
2021-10-26 20:47:17	teraflops	powerman2206: tried video/* ?
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2021-10-26 20:47:29	powerman2206	Yeah, no dice
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2021-10-26 20:47:40	teraflops	hmm
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2021-10-26 20:48:27	greyltc_	video/video?
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2021-10-26 20:48:45	powerman2206	Negative
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2021-10-26 20:49:30	susi	there's also /usr/share/mime full of stuff, that xdg-open reads
2021-10-26 20:49:36	susi	for example /usr/share/mime/video/
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2021-10-26 20:50:15	SysGhost	the problem is that when the mime check on the file is done, it sees video/<format-type> and trhus any video/allformats and variants are ignored. Some DE's might be smart enough to check for the allformats if the specific format isn't "registered" but that's outside the xdg standard afaik.
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2021-10-26 20:51:16	powerman2206	So my best bet is to just make a script that goes through /usr/share/mime/video, extracts the basenames and adds that into `video/basename=mpv.desktop`?
2021-10-26 20:51:25	powerman2206	Will be messy, but will work
2021-10-26 20:51:45	SysGhost	I'd say that is a way to do it indeed. DE independent too.
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2021-10-26 20:52:20	susi	powerman2206: or use /usr/share/mime/globs | grep video
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2021-10-26 20:52:33	teraflops	powerman2206: did you try: xdg-mime default mpv.desktop 'video/*'
2021-10-26 20:52:42	teraflops	note the ''
2021-10-26 20:52:52	susi	those under /video/ are mapped to those those globs
2021-10-26 20:53:04	teraflops	powerman2206: wfm
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2021-10-26 20:53:32	powerman2206	teraflops: wfm?
2021-10-26 20:53:41	teraflops	works for me
2021-10-26 20:54:12	powerman2206	Not for me :/
2021-10-26 20:54:28	teraflops	what fails?
2021-10-26 20:54:33	powerman2206	Maybe you don't have other programs that can open videos
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2021-10-26 20:55:13	susi	you need to have /usr/share/applications/mpv.desktop (or what ever .desktop under there)
2021-10-26 20:55:23	powerman2206	I do
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2021-10-26 20:55:38	powerman2206	I'll just do the globs thingy
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2021-10-26 20:57:07	teraflops	odd: https://gist.github.com/prietus/bb36a0d4b931b3f0975fd56f66791f76/raw/06c258f1fe9e1c48b071795c3b9512159c4562ac/HcnU.png
2021-10-26 20:57:09	susi	you may also try to directly edit your .config/mimeapps.list, that's read by xdg-open's mime functions, and add that video/*=mpv.desktop;
2021-10-26 20:57:26	susi	but I think that xdg-mime default should do just that
2021-10-26 20:57:32	powerman2206	Yeah, I checked
2021-10-26 20:57:43	susi	teraflops: 404
2021-10-26 20:57:47	powerman2206	I guess my mimeapps.list will just be 500 lines long
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2021-10-26 20:59:39	teraflops	yep sorry, http://ix.io/3CYM
2021-10-26 21:00:11	SysGhost	order counts too. if there's another matching video/<format> above the "*", that'll be used first.
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2021-10-26 21:01:33	powerman2206	teraflops: hm
2021-10-26 21:02:10	teraflops	to be honest xdg-mime and xdg-open are a clusterfuck
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2021-10-26 21:02:19	powerman2206	True
2021-10-26 21:02:23	SysGhost	!grab teraflops
2021-10-26 21:02:23	phrik	SysGhost: Tada!
2021-10-26 21:02:28	SysGhost	for truth!
2021-10-26 21:02:45	susi	wfm, too
2021-10-26 21:03:21	SysGhost	Add to it the DE's doing things outside the xdg standard in each and their own ways.
2021-10-26 21:03:27	teraflops	powerman2206: which DE/WM are you using?
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2021-10-26 21:03:43	powerman2206	Sway
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2021-10-26 21:05:39	umaxtu	I want to play around with sway. but I can't seem to get wayland to run well in kvm/qemu
2021-10-26 21:05:50	teraflops	powerman2206: try to XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME and XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=gnome so when you start sway they are set and try it again
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2021-10-26 21:06:07	teraflops	that worked for me
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2021-10-26 21:07:37	powerman2206	Alright, brb
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2021-10-26 21:09:42	powerman2206	Video seems to work, but not images
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2021-10-26 21:11:21	powerman2206	Oh nvm I made a typo, everything works now
2021-10-26 21:11:28	powerman2206	Thank you, gents
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2021-10-26 21:11:31	teraflops	np
2021-10-26 21:11:32	SysGhost	\o/
2021-10-26 21:11:34	SysGhost	!next
2021-10-26 21:11:35	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2021-10-26 21:11:56	powerman2206	This is gonna make using lf so much easier
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2021-10-26 21:12:17	teraflops	idk why do you have to export such vars to make it to work hinestly
2021-10-26 21:12:51	powerman2206	I mean it's either that or writing 400 lines to mimeapps.list
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2021-10-26 21:13:07	BrainDamage	lf?
2021-10-26 21:13:37	powerman2206	Terminal file manager
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2021-10-26 21:16:42	SysGhost	!fight lf nnn
2021-10-26 21:16:42	phrik	nnn
2021-10-26 21:16:48	SysGhost	nn wins! \o
2021-10-26 21:16:51	teraflops	I got stuck on lsix ;)
2021-10-26 21:16:51	SysGhost	nnn*
2021-10-26 21:16:54	powerman2206	I request a rematch
2021-10-26 21:17:03	powerman2206	!fight lf nnn
2021-10-26 21:17:04	phrik	nnn
2021-10-26 21:17:09	powerman2206	You cunt
2021-10-26 21:17:37	powerman2206	(as in a non-offensive Bri'ish "cunt")
2021-10-26 21:18:00	jelle	if you have to explain it's not offensive, maybe don't use it
2021-10-26 21:18:01	teraflops	every fight puts phrik's machine CPU on fire generating entropy ;)
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2021-10-26 21:19:29	SysGhost	teraflops: but... phrik's entropy consist of once fair dice roll a looong time ago.
2021-10-26 21:19:37	teraflops	heh
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2021-10-26 21:20:37	phantomotap	even that roll wasn't fair. you aren't supposed to have two nines on a twenty sided die.
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2021-10-27 17:47:30	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1344 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1343 normals)
2021-10-27 12:55:06	Flexyjerkov	fuckin dumb shit
2021-10-27 12:55:08	thrice	"it" = you
2021-10-27 12:55:20	Flexyjerkov	its gone now, it's fine...
2021-10-27 12:55:48	Flexyjerkov	i mean the servers only a mac mini with 4gb ram so it needs all the resource it can
2021-10-27 13:01:02	toeyjammer	s
2021-10-27 13:01:33	toeyjammer	hi im wondering if anyone has heard of issues with droidcam in archlinux before
2021-10-27 13:01:53	toeyjammer	it keeps crashing whenever in use after not long
2021-10-27 13:12:38	toeyjammer	wat
2021-10-27 13:19:11	threwahway	whyyyyy :(  https://pastebin.com/YfBsLfB4
2021-10-27 13:19:11	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-nsA.txt
2021-10-27 13:19:12	phrik	Title: [z@okmachine ~]$ cat old-grub-non-lts.txt | grep 'Kernel command'Oct 26 14:47: - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-10-27 13:20:24	threwahway	i edited both options in grub with e before booting, and the config is also different than both lines. 
2021-10-27 13:46:02	susi	I recommend chmod -x:ing all but 10_linux and 40_custom under /etc/grub.d... needs only minor additions to 10_linux, and you'll get nice configs afterwards :)
2021-10-27 13:52:07	susi	mostly echo "set timeout=X" and echo "function load_video { insmod all_video; }" needs to be added into 10_linux
2021-10-27 13:57:26	thebombzen	how does the kernel release cycle work? currently 5.15 is on RC7 and I was wondering if anyone has any kind of knowledge on when I might see it in Arch
2021-10-27 13:57:37	thebombzen	(5.15-rc7 according to kernel.org)
2021-10-27 13:59:49	dagle	It's about 8 rc's and then it's released, then a couple of days later it hits testing and then after a while it hits normal repos.
2021-10-27 14:00:25	dagle	The amount of RC's is when linus thinks it's ready.
2021-10-27 14:01:07	dagle	If no bugs are found and no patches are sent, then it's release time.
2021-10-27 14:01:54	dagle	thebombzen: Why do you wonder?
2021-10-27 14:03:17	Namarrgon	lmat: did you find something that works?
2021-10-27 14:07:03	thebombzen	dagle: 5.15 contains the native NTFS driver, not the tuxera fuse one
2021-10-27 14:07:35	thebombzen	I have a dual boot, so it will come in handy
2021-10-27 14:07:56	thebombzen	in particular, I have dropbox on both OSes but Dropbox on Linux will refuse to mount on FUSE because it's an unsupported FS or something
2021-10-27 14:08:15	dagle	When I dualbooted, I almost only used the read functionality in linux.
2021-10-27 14:08:30	dagle	So I only used the in kernel driver.
2021-10-27 14:08:56	thebombzen	I use the write functionality because it's how I put a file in a place where windows can read it
2021-10-27 14:09:11	thebombzen	so I have to use the tuxera driver, which is FUSE and dropbox won't work with it, which is annoying
2021-10-27 14:09:36	Namarrgon	initially dropbox will probably not work with native ntfs driver either
2021-10-27 14:10:13	SysGhost	bindmounts might be helpful
2021-10-27 14:10:16	thebombzen	it just checks the FS type, and rejects FUSE. hopefully the native NTFS driver returns "NTFS"
2021-10-27 14:11:24	SysGhost	mount -o bind /home/sysghost/Myawesomefolder /home/sysghost/dropbox/MyAwesomefolder
2021-10-27 14:11:32	SysGhost	not sure if that works...
2021-10-27 14:11:44	SysGhost	maybe dropbox goes below the mount 
2021-10-27 14:12:23	SysGhost	!TIAS
2021-10-27 14:12:24	phrik	Try It And See™
2021-10-27 14:12:33	thebombzen	https://0x0.st/-nsO.png
2021-10-27 14:12:39	thebombzen	looks like dropbox won't like bind mounts
2021-10-27 14:12:53	SysGhost	aaaw
2021-10-27 14:13:01	SysGhost	oh well you tried. 
2021-10-27 14:13:21	krumelmonster	So hostname matching in .ssh/config is case sensitive? Does anyone know a case insensitive way of matching? E.g. `Host openwrt*` should match both OpenWrt.lan and openwrt.lan
2021-10-27 14:16:52	thebombzen	if it's just those two why not list both
2021-10-27 14:17:04	thebombzen	Host openwrt.lan OpenWrt.lan
2021-10-27 14:18:14	krumelmonster	Its not just these two but `Host openwrt* OpenWrt*` works indeed. Still I find it a bit odd that my dns is case insensitive and my ssh config for the hosts isn't.
2021-10-27 14:20:33	lostchild	hi everyone
2021-10-27 14:20:41	lostchild	who knows how to remove a specific IP ROUTE from a specific Routing Table?
2021-10-27 14:20:41	lostchild	if I remove it from general list of 'ip route show' it doesn't go away from the newly created RT itself
2021-10-27 14:27:35	thebombzen	speaking of dropbox, I don't see it in the notification area anymore
2021-10-27 14:27:50	lmat	Namarrgon: YES!
2021-10-27 14:27:58	thebombzen	anyone know what happened to that
2021-10-27 14:28:25	lmat	Namarrgon: I uncommented that file in /etc/X11/xorg.d  or whatever, and now it uses the intel driver (no "radeon" in the Xorg logs), and locking the screen is super-duper fast!
2021-10-27 14:28:52	Namarrgon	that doesn't make any sense
2021-10-27 14:36:25	threwahway	maybe i just dont use grub?
2021-10-27 14:38:07	Namarrgon	maybe you're using the wrong one
2021-10-27 14:39:14	threwahway	possible, but i did try to go back a few versions, from 2.06 to 2.04 (iirc)
2021-10-27 14:39:28	Namarrgon	why are you downgrading grub?
2021-10-27 14:39:44	threwahway	i found out its ignoring the options i give it :(
2021-10-27 14:39:56	threwahway	even when editing with e at boot
2021-10-27 14:39:58	Namarrgon	it's not ignoring the options, you're editing the wrong file
2021-10-27 14:41:01	threwahway	im not editing any files, /boot/grub/grub.cfg is generated with grub-mkconfig. when i inspect it, it seems correct. 
2021-10-27 14:41:23	Namarrgon	that doesn't mean that grub is loading that file
2021-10-27 14:41:39	Namarrgon	or that that is even the correct path
2021-10-27 14:43:34	lmat	Namarrgon: Why doesn't it make sense? You probably helped me write that config back in Oct 2018 :-D
2021-10-27 14:43:37	threwahway	it could also be my expectations. when i boot to lts without touching anything, the Kernel command line looks as it should in dmesg. when i do the same for non-lts, it shows the defaults.
2021-10-27 14:44:16	Namarrgon	lmat: everything was commented out and there was no mention of the 'radeon' drive in the logs you posted
2021-10-27 14:45:05	threwahway	when i edit the option at boot, the edited lts Kernel command is shown in dmesg. when i do the same for non-lts it shows no edits, nor does it show what is in grub.cfg for that option.
2021-10-27 14:45:44	threwahway	https://pastebin.com/YfBsLfB4
2021-10-27 14:45:44	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-nsA.txt
2021-10-27 14:45:45	phrik	Title: [z@okmachine ~]$ cat old-grub-non-lts.txt | grep 'Kernel command'Oct 26 14:47: - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-10-27 14:46:48	Namarrgon	post grub.cfg and /etc/default/grub
2021-10-27 14:47:01	susi	you are pressing 'e' in grub console and editing the kernel line, and edits do not survive to the post-boot system?
2021-10-27 14:47:29	threwahway	correct, but that is after it uses them to boot. or, that is how i assumed it to work.
2021-10-27 14:48:17	lostchild	Guys
2021-10-27 14:48:28	lostchild	Are IP Rules persistent on ARCH?
2021-10-27 14:48:32	lostchild	after you define them?
2021-10-27 14:48:36	lostchild	routing based policies
2021-10-27 14:48:54	lostchild	disregard
2021-10-27 14:48:59	Namarrgon	you mean when you change something with the "ip" tool?
2021-10-27 14:49:06	Namarrgon	no, that is not persistent
2021-10-27 14:49:12	Namarrgon	on any distro
2021-10-27 14:49:29	lostchild	and you make that persistent on arch by entering this? ->>>>>> iptables-save -f /etc/iptables/iptables.rules
2021-10-27 14:49:30	lostchild	correct?
2021-10-27 14:49:35	nns	neither iptables nor kernel ip state (tool called ip/ifconfig) are persistent anywhere, yeah
2021-10-27 14:49:45	Namarrgon	lostchild: that only affects the iptables
2021-10-27 14:49:57	lostchild	how to save IP rules?:(
2021-10-27 14:50:04	Namarrgon	"rules"?
2021-10-27 14:50:12	lostchild	yeah like CONNMARK
2021-10-27 14:50:13	endre	you create a script for that
2021-10-27 14:50:13	lostchild	MARK
2021-10-27 14:50:24	jkc	First, start using nftables. Second, write a script or use something to manage it for you.
2021-10-27 14:50:26	grawity	those sound more like iptables rules than "IP rules"
2021-10-27 14:50:37	grawity	which are also a thing but a rather different thing
2021-10-27 14:50:39	⚡ 	jelle gives lostchild firewalld
2021-10-27 14:50:47	endre	things will get out of hand of $regularNetworkmanagerThingies once rules/netspaces are involved
2021-10-27 14:51:01	jkc	lostchild: I second the firewalld recommendation.
2021-10-27 14:51:01	endre	namespaces, that is
2021-10-27 14:51:04	threwahway	https://pastebin.com/VkVFxZCe
2021-10-27 14:51:05	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-nsU.txt
2021-10-27 14:51:05	phrik	Title: [z@okmachine ~]$ sudo cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg [sudo] password for z: ## DO - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-10-27 14:51:23	nns	rules in /etc/iptables/iptables.rules are only loaded at boot if the iptables systemd service is enabled
2021-10-27 14:51:38	lostchild	nns: I enabled that
2021-10-27 14:51:41	lostchild	and enabled iptables.service
2021-10-27 14:51:43	threwahway	i really appreciate your help Namarrgon :)  
2021-10-27 14:51:59	jkc	lostchild: firewalld, trust us.
2021-10-27 14:52:11	lostchild	jkc: let me check that man
2021-10-27 14:52:28	grawity	lostchild: I'm assuming there's a "...but it didn't seem to work" in that
2021-10-27 14:52:37	grawity	lostchild: so have you looked at the status / system log of iptables.service?
2021-10-27 14:52:38	lostchild	because for 5th day I cannot set up fucking routing policies =\
2021-10-27 14:52:49	Namarrgon	threwahway: where is your ESP mounted to?
2021-10-27 14:52:53	nns	firewalld is all good and dandy but i'm curious as to why the iptables service didn't work?
2021-10-27 14:53:17	jkc	Bonus points if you pronounce it like 'firewalled' and not 'firewall dee'. Worked with a guy that always did that. "systemed!" You mean system-dee? "sshed." You mean ssh-dee?
2021-10-27 14:53:29	endre	you might want to look at ferm instead of firewalld if you want less abstractions (and daemons)
2021-10-27 14:53:30	nns	lostchild: can you send a paste of `systemctl status iptables.service` (with sudo, maybe)
2021-10-27 14:53:33	lostchild	so first and foremost, after i run iptables-save -f /etc/iptables/iptables.rules -> such rules as CONNMARK and MARK are loaded into nf_connmark file and appear to be present
2021-10-27 14:54:03	lostchild	but routing doesn't work even though I set up a separete config.network file in accordance with systemd documentation =P
2021-10-27 14:54:13	threwahway	Namarrgon: /boot/EFI which ends up being /boot/EFI/EFI/grub/grubx64.efi i was thinking maybe i need to make the whole 500mb efi partition /boot??
2021-10-27 14:54:13	lostchild	nns: let me send that
2021-10-27 14:54:25	lostchild	jkc: so firewalld will override network manager?
2021-10-27 14:54:28	jkc	This is sounding like a lot of moving parts for something as simple as routing.
2021-10-27 14:54:33	nns	yes
2021-10-27 14:54:38	jkc	lostchild: No, firewalld controls firewalling.
2021-10-27 14:54:43	nns	what exactly are you trying to achieve
2021-10-27 14:54:44	grawity	routing on a multihomed system isn't simple
2021-10-27 14:55:05	lostchild	jkc: I am thinking about suicide already
2021-10-27 14:55:06	lostchild	lol
2021-10-27 14:55:12	nns	:/
2021-10-27 14:55:23	lostchild	for 5th day like an idiot
2021-10-27 14:55:27	grawity	lostchild: what you're saying doesn't make much sense, as iptables-save writes rules *to* iptables.rules, not reads from them, so it can't be that they "are loaded into nf_connmark"
2021-10-27 14:55:27	lostchild	student
2021-10-27 14:55:33	Namarrgon	threwahway: all four entries have the modeset option, which one do you boot that does not end up having it in /proc/cmdline?
2021-10-27 14:56:22	threwahway	i never use the failsafe (i dont think it would help in this case), so im only testing with the 1st and 3rd options, one LTS one non-LTS
2021-10-27 14:56:54	Namarrgon	threwahway: the two log lines you posted were both from the lts kernel
2021-10-27 14:56:58	threwahway	the non-LTS option is what doesnt show any changes in Kernel command log output
2021-10-27 14:57:09	threwahway	yes sorry bro :(  i was not answering your question clearly
2021-10-27 14:57:57	threwahway	wait what? 
2021-10-27 14:58:04	Namarrgon	https://0x0.st/-nsA.txt
2021-10-27 14:58:23	Namarrgon	BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-linux-lts in both cases
2021-10-27 14:59:30	threwahway	journalctl -b 1 should be previous to the current boot, correct? or did i get that wrong too?
2021-10-27 15:00:10	Namarrgon	that would be the "first" boot still in the journal, you want "-b -1" for the previous 
2021-10-27 15:03:17	threwahway	yikes =\
2021-10-27 15:03:49	threwahway	well i guess thats good im back to "device has fallen off the bus" 
2021-10-27 15:09:11	Namarrgon	threwahway: did you add the modules to the initramfs?
2021-10-27 15:11:28	threwahway	im checking, trying to minimize wasted time because im giving bad info
2021-10-27 15:14:24	threwahway	in /etc/mkinitcpio.conf i have MODULES=(nvidia nvidia_modeset nvidia_uvm nvidia_drm) which is what is in the wiki
2021-10-27 15:14:36	Namarrgon	you rebuilt the initramfs images after that?
2021-10-27 15:14:54	Namarrgon	can you post the journal for the boot that causes the fallen-off-the-bus errors?
2021-10-27 15:16:20	threwahway	ok, i will do that first then reboot after rebuilding. in my mind, i am 1000000% sure i have done mkinitcpio -P a bunch of times but it takes 2 seconds.
2021-10-27 15:19:18	threwahway	https://pastebin.com/B4S9zwAQ
2021-10-27 15:19:19	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-nsR.txt
2021-10-27 15:19:19	phrik	Title: -- Journal begins at Tue 2021-10-26 14:47:16 PDT, ends at Wed 2021-10-27 06:07:3 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-10-27 15:20:57	Namarrgon	threwahway: does the gpu work on any other OS?
2021-10-27 15:21:10	threwahway	absolutely, and it works in LTS kernel too
2021-10-27 15:21:33	Namarrgon	pacman -Qs nvidia
2021-10-27 15:24:13	threwahway	https://pastebin.com/8VWDj50R
2021-10-27 15:24:14	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-nzs.txt
2021-10-27 15:24:14	phrik	Title: [z@okmachine ~]$ pacman -Qs nvidialocal/egl-wayland 1:1.1.7-1 EGLStream-b - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-10-27 15:27:41	Alison40	hi
2021-10-27 15:27:48	susi	hello Alison40, sup
2021-10-27 15:28:03	Alison40	my trackpad isn't working
2021-10-27 15:28:09	Alison40	just noticed today
2021-10-27 15:28:22	Alison40	because I've been using mouse the entire time
2021-10-27 15:29:40	Alison40	i looked up how to fix it but i think it involves specifying a specific driver to use for it in a custom xorg conf flie
2021-10-27 15:29:44	Alison40	file*
2021-10-27 15:30:01	Alison40	and at this point I don't know what's going on
2021-10-27 15:31:17	susi	check `xinput list` it's listed, and maybe try `xev -event mouse` whether it registers anything when trying to move the pointer
2021-10-27 15:31:19	Alison40	because I don't even know which device is the trackpad when i do `libinput list-devices`
2021-10-27 15:32:07	Alison40	I'll try the second one thanks
2021-10-27 15:33:59	Alison40	apparently xev isn't installed
2021-10-27 15:34:01	susi	my touchpad shows in `xinput list` as ELAN1200:00 04F3:3045 Touchpad id=11, and then I can `xinput list-props 11`, it shows e.g. "Device Enabled: 1" and libinput stuff
2021-10-27 15:34:53	Alison40	nothing called a touchpad is showing up in xinput
2021-10-27 15:35:01	Alison40	hold on lemme curl
2021-10-27 15:35:03	susi	do you have libinput installed?
2021-10-27 15:35:16	sharktamer	has anyone ever noticed any screen burn occuring after using a tiling window manager?
2021-10-27 15:35:17	Alison40	yeah it's a dependency of some qt thingy
2021-10-27 15:35:27	susi	check xf86-input-libinput
2021-10-27 15:35:39	sharktamer	I'm seeing a little bit on one of my monitors and it does make since since I always have the same window in the exact same position
2021-10-27 15:35:52	Alison40	that's a dependency of xorg i have it already
2021-10-27 15:36:43	susi	Alison40: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/libinput
2021-10-27 15:36:44	phrik	Title: libinput - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-27 15:37:23	Alison40	looked there already
2021-10-27 15:37:38	sharktamer	I guess it's not screen burn but ghosting
2021-10-27 15:37:46	sharktamer	think people still say screen burn coloquially though
2021-10-27 15:37:53	susi	Alison40: make sure it's not disabled under bios/uefi settings
2021-10-27 15:38:06	susi	if it's not even recognized it might be 'disabled'
2021-10-27 15:38:26	susi	also there might be an entry for your laptop under arch wiki
2021-10-27 15:38:37	Alison40	so i need to reboot into bios
2021-10-27 15:39:03	Alison40	?
2021-10-27 15:39:49	Alison40	xev doesn't respond to it
2021-10-27 15:40:00	Alison40	whereas it does respond to mouse
2021-10-27 15:40:05	susi	maybe post your libinput list-devices and/or xinput list output first
2021-10-27 15:40:40	Alison40	!copy
2021-10-27 15:40:40	phrik	that floppy
2021-10-27 15:40:43	Alison40	oh
2021-10-27 15:40:51	threwahway	lol
2021-10-27 15:40:51	Alison40	!paste
2021-10-27 15:40:51	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-10-27 15:41:00	Alison40	!rs
2021-10-27 15:41:00	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2021-10-27 15:41:49	Alison40	paste.rs/51Z
2021-10-27 15:42:38	Alison40	that's my xinput
2021-10-27 15:43:28	Alison40	paste.rs/tz2
2021-10-27 15:43:32	Alison40	that's my libinput
2021-10-27 15:43:41	susi	I'd check it's not disabled under bios/uefi, and if it works in there
2021-10-27 15:44:06	susi	that looks like it's not recognizing any built-in pointer device
2021-10-27 15:44:39	Alison40	I'll check
2021-10-27 15:44:46	threwahway	seems like a lot of this fallen off the bus thing is physical issue in the past. im going to reseat my card but it seems fine. this is a rig that has done 240hz for years now without issue :(
2021-10-27 15:45:12	susi	Alison40: so you are sure you have 'xf86-input-libinput' installed, `pacman -Q xf86-input-libinput` reports it?
2021-10-27 15:45:39	Alison40	yes it's installed
2021-10-27 15:47:27	Alison40	there are no uefi settings in bios
2021-10-27 15:48:16	Alison40	and it was working on windows so i don't think it would be that
2021-10-27 15:48:40	Alison40	anyway i have to go now
2021-10-27 15:55:15	threwahway	something i noticed when on lts, it says pcie is gen 1@16x
2021-10-27 16:35:25	AmR	Hello
2021-10-27 16:35:31	AmR	I found okular have Speak Whole Document, How I can enable that ?
2021-10-27 16:40:10	susi	google seems to serve good results about that
2021-10-27 16:41:30	susi	https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2018/12/text-to-speech-on-gnulinux-part-2-okular-to-speech.html
2021-10-27 16:41:31	phrik	Title: Text to Speech on GNU/Linux Part 2: Okular to Speech (at www.ubuntubuzz.com)
2021-10-27 16:49:52	thebombzen	I asked this earlier and had to close my client
2021-10-27 16:50:05	gehidore	the answer is 5
2021-10-27 16:50:10	thebombzen	> <thebombzen> speaking of dropbox, I don't see it in the notification area anymore
2021-10-27 16:50:17	thebombzen	> thebombzen> anyone know what happened to that
2021-10-27 16:50:19	thebombzen	well, that
2021-10-27 16:50:46	Namarrgon	threwahway: which one of the two pcie slots is the gpu plugged into?
2021-10-27 16:51:03	threwahway	the top one
2021-10-27 16:57:16	atomicwrites	Hi I was just wondering, when you create a partition you have to set the partition type to Linux LVM or Linux Root or MS Windows or whatver. Does this actually do anything? I've never seen an instance where it's required AFAIK. I tried searching fo an ansewer but all the results where about MBR vs GPT.
2021-10-27 16:57:36	Foxboron	It does if you use GPT GUIDs
2021-10-27 16:57:45	Foxboron	https://systemd.io/DISCOVERABLE_PARTITIONS/
2021-10-27 16:57:46	phrik	Title: Discoverable Partitions Specification (at systemd.io)
2021-10-27 16:58:01	Namarrgon	it depends, most tools don't really care about the type too much or set the correct type themselves
2021-10-27 16:58:10	jessicara	with mbr it mattered
2021-10-27 16:58:36	jessicara	mbr was limited to a few partitions unless had a sort of extended partition which contains more partitions within it
2021-10-27 16:59:22	atomicwrites	Ah right extended artitions where impolemented as a type.
2021-10-27 17:00:21	atomicwrites	Foxboron: So it looks like thats a systemd feature that can mount the drives withought an fstab?
2021-10-27 17:00:38	Foxboron	atomicwrites: Essentially, yes.
2021-10-27 17:00:43	Foxboron	I use it for UUIDless booting
2021-10-27 17:00:44	atomicwrites	Seems like something that would get more use in empeded stuff.
2021-10-27 17:00:54	atomicwrites	*embeded.
2021-10-27 17:01:02	Foxboron	Or just standarization of your bootchain/setup without having to copypaste a bunch of generic valuess
2021-10-27 17:01:13	Foxboron	I can package my fstab acros 3 laptop now :p
2021-10-27 17:01:14	atomicwrites	Foxboron: Ah ok, thats a cool use.
2021-10-27 17:01:21	Foxboron	and my kernel cmdline
2021-10-27 17:01:30	Foxboron	across*
2021-10-27 17:01:52	atomicwrites	But by default, it won't really mater I guess.
2021-10-27 17:02:10	Foxboron	Ill argue it make some things a lot simpler. It's not needed by any means
2021-10-27 17:02:39	MacGyver	Other than the ESP. That needs the right GUID.
2021-10-27 17:03:12	atomicwrites	I'm using LVM anyways, which doesn't seem to be supported by the discovery thing.
2021-10-27 17:03:55	atomicwrites	MacGyver:  Right, I was talkig about you regular data partitions or in this wspecific case an LVM PV.
2021-10-27 17:04:17	MacGyver	It's not required, but you can be nice to your future self and set the type (and label) correctly.
2021-10-27 17:04:26	MacGyver	Trust me.
2021-10-27 17:04:26	atomicwrites	Anywas I'll still set it, but I was jst wonderinbg if it was ever actually used
2021-10-27 17:04:45	MacGyver	Yeah, it's used by you.
2021-10-27 17:04:55	atomicwrites	Fair enough
2021-10-27 17:04:55	MacGyver	When trying to make sense of wtf you did 5 years ago when setting up this system.
2021-10-27 17:47:05	msk	hi
2021-10-27 17:47:19	susi	hi msk, sup
2021-10-27 17:47:28	msk	how do i specify two disks (sda, sdb) using the new qemu syntax '-drive file=' ?
2021-10-27 17:47:30	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-27 17:49:39	msk	this currently works -drive file=archlinux.img,format=qcow2
2021-10-27 17:50:39	msk	in the old syntax one could use -hda and -hdb. in the next syntax how does one specify the ordering ?
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2021-10-27 17:54:32	zmotaj	msk: you can just add another -drive
2021-10-27 17:55:21	zmotaj	"-hda a -hdb b" is the same as "-drive file=a -drive file=b"
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2021-10-27 17:56:11	msk	zmotaj how does one specify a boot disk (sda) and a second data disk (sdb), since the /boot is on sda.
2021-10-27 17:56:56	msk	usage as you suggest, gives the error 'qemu-system-x86_64:  : drive with bus=0, unit=0 (index=0) exists'
2021-10-27 17:57:22	msk	zmotaj, what is the purpose of 'index=' option ?
2021-10-27 17:58:37	zmotaj	index should be auto incremented with each -drive option, you shouldn't need to specify it
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2021-10-27 18:03:11	msk	even if i remove the index option, the error mentioned doesn't go away.
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2021-10-27 18:04:00	zmotaj	doesn't work with index=0 and index=1 ?
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2021-10-27 18:05:10	msk	nope, that's the first thing i tried.
2021-10-27 18:05:24	msk	there is some discussion here https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1102172-start-0.html
2021-10-27 18:05:25	phrik	Title: Gentoo Forums :: View topic - usbstickfile in qemu (at forums.gentoo.org)
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2021-10-27 18:07:00	msk	seems to suggest using vendor-ID:product-ID 
2021-10-27 18:07:05	zmotaj	ah, with -drive the default interface is ide, try setting if=virtio
2021-10-27 18:07:15	zmotaj	for each drive
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2021-10-27 18:16:10	msk	zmotaj let me try that
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2021-10-27 18:19:27	msk	Boot failed: could not read the boot disk. No bootable device !
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2021-10-27 18:19:51	msk	unusual as the archlinux.qcow2 was working all along as a single disk.
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2021-10-27 18:23:26	Foxboron	earnestly: Yo, https://github.com/archlinux/mkinitcpio/issues/52 do you have any clever ideas or tricks for thi?
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2021-10-27 18:23:54	Foxboron	I wonder if throwing a placeholder in the quote string for space, parse, then swap out the variable would maybe work.. somehow
2021-10-27 18:23:59	Foxboron	dracut wound up with C code
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2021-10-27 18:25:30	jonathon	value="${value/  / }" ?
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2021-10-27 18:27:12	Foxboron	jonathon: Nooo won't work. We have a string like: something=else root=LABEL="Arch Linux"
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2021-10-27 18:28:54	jonathon	hmm... my immediate thoughts are things like sed but i don't know if those tools are available at that point; i assume native would be better. /me thinks does bash do regexp...
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2021-10-27 18:29:14	Foxboron	jonathon: Remember. We use ash
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2021-10-27 18:29:22	jonathon	plus i'm sure you've already considered that
2021-10-27 18:29:24	jonathon	ah, right
2021-10-27 18:29:24	ℹ 	artefact_ es conocido ahora como artefact
2021-10-27 18:29:38	jonathon	i saw a $(()) and thought "bash"
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2021-10-27 18:37:31	Alison40	how do i boot into a command line
2021-10-27 18:37:49	Alison40	instead of my kde interface
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2021-10-27 18:38:14	teraflops	tell systemd to not boot to graphical target
2021-10-27 18:38:16	Alison40	i need to delete an xorg config file i made
2021-10-27 18:38:34	jonathon	assuming you're using grub, type e at the boot menu and add "3" to the end of the boot line, then press f10. or, if you just want to switch to a tty, press ctrl-alt-f2
2021-10-27 18:38:48	teraflops	Alison40: anyways, aint you switch tty's as jonathon suggests?
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2021-10-27 18:39:07	Alison40	whatm
2021-10-27 18:39:10	Alison40	what?
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2021-10-27 18:39:14	Alison40	*
2021-10-27 18:39:16	teraflops	!watrpg
2021-10-27 18:39:17	phrik	http://i.imgur.com/IuhQcR5.jpg
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2021-10-27 18:40:51	Alison40	jonathon: i can't see a boot line
2021-10-27 18:40:56	feinedsquirrel	just want to make sure I'm understanding the wiki correctly: in makepkg.conf, the OPTIONS variable has "!lto". That means no link time optimization will be done, correct?
2021-10-27 18:41:05	Alison40	do you mean the linux linw
2021-10-27 18:41:08	jonathon	feinedsquirrel: correct
2021-10-27 18:41:26	feinedsquirrel	jonathon: cool, thanks
2021-10-27 18:41:35	jonathon	Alison40: it's the line with e.g. "quiet resume" on it
2021-10-27 18:41:46	Alison40	yeah the linux line
2021-10-27 18:42:22	Alison40	thx
2021-10-27 18:42:43	susi	jonathon: what does that plain '3' signify?
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2021-10-27 18:43:38	jonathon	it's a backwards-compatible option meaning (something along the lines of) "telinit 3", or "text-mode only". you can specify the systemd way too, but 3 is shorter
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2021-10-27 18:44:28	Alison40	thanks
2021-10-27 18:44:33	Alison40	it worked
2021-10-27 18:45:01	Alison40	now just need to see if deleting that file reactivates my mouse input
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2021-10-27 18:45:46	Alison40	wait my trackpad works now holy shit
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2021-10-27 18:50:27	susi	just a normal Arch thing... randomly add/delete configs and reboot, and see if it works
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2021-10-27 19:49:43	earnestly	Foxboron: The only technique that could be used to salvage such a design is printf %q (and/or ${@Q}) with eval
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2021-10-27 19:50:11	earnestly	(xargs maybe, but otherwise it's terminal and nothing but a full redesign could fix this)
2021-10-27 19:50:43	Foxboron	earnestly: even with ash?
2021-10-27 19:50:51	earnestly	No only with bash
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2021-10-27 19:50:56	Foxboron	:)
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2021-10-27 19:51:13	earnestly	Although you can shell quote things using posix sh quite easily but it means forking
2021-10-27 19:51:26	Foxboron	I do wonder if this busybox requirement is holding us back a little bit
2021-10-27 19:51:39	earnestly	C is often not appropriate for such things but if one is to program in the shell as if it were C, C might as well be used
2021-10-27 19:52:00	Foxboron	earnestly: dracut litterally has one binary used to just string split correctly
2021-10-27 19:52:09	Foxboron	and I believe they use bash
2021-10-27 19:53:01	earnestly	I'm not familiar with it or its history but the more I see mkinitcpio code the more I think you should just use it; anything but mkinitcpio
2021-10-27 19:53:18	Foxboron	earnestly: dracut is wore
2021-10-27 19:53:20	Foxboron	worse*
2021-10-27 19:53:36	earnestly	lol
2021-10-27 19:53:47	Foxboron	Really
2021-10-27 19:53:58	Foxboron	earnestly: https://github.com/dracutdevs/dracut/blob/master/dracut.sh :p
2021-10-27 19:54:04	earnestly	Oh well, then perhaps drop the posix sh requirement because you can't program sh like this (you can just about manage it with bash)
2021-10-27 19:54:46	earnestly	It's like programming haskell in the style of C, it just doesn't mesh; except the difference between a command language and a programming language is even more painful especially when you only get one and a half arrays
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2021-10-27 19:54:56	Foxboron	I do wonder why dracut has a hashmap implementation in C....
2021-10-27 19:55:16	earnestly	It can work and be beautiful but requires a completely different mindset, including a Wirthian acceptance of just not have features
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2021-10-27 19:55:34	Foxboron	I've heard this rant before :p
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2021-10-27 19:55:36	earnestly	Writing small tools in C to do specific things is fine, that's what the shell is good at composing
2021-10-27 19:56:16	earnestly	But if you have a 'startswith' "function" in sh, especially posix sh, the game is already lost heh
2021-10-27 19:56:43	earnestly	Shame about dracut being bad
2021-10-27 19:57:30	earnestly	Foxboron: At least it appears their shell scripts are being poked at by shellcheck
2021-10-27 19:57:50	Foxboron	I mean, sure. But that doesn't make it easier to reason about.
2021-10-27 19:57:54	earnestly	> #                                                   80x25 linebreak here ^
2021-10-27 19:58:12	earnestly	For sure, but at least it's not immediately broken
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2021-10-27 20:00:25	susi	just don't support douplespacing in label naming :-) 
2021-10-27 20:01:07	Foxboron	susi: It's a challenge. Forbidding this is admitting defeat :)
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2021-10-27 20:04:12	hejux	why is arch so stable 
2021-10-27 20:04:56	mongy	that's why jaro exists
2021-10-27 20:05:08	mongy	stable is boring
2021-10-27 20:06:09	Foxboron	hejux: s/stable/reliable/g
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2021-10-27 20:40:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-27 20:40:14	teraflops	mongy: lol
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2021-10-27 20:41:14	teraflops	I still refuse to install manjaro branded kde on my pinephone
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2021-10-27 20:41:35	Antiz	teraflops: So you own a pinephone ?
2021-10-27 20:41:40	teraflops	yep
2021-10-27 20:41:49	Antiz	Have you installed Arch on it ?
2021-10-27 20:42:11	teraflops	it is right now, arch linux arm
2021-10-27 20:42:16	Antiz	Was thinking about buying the PRO version, but I wanna know is Arch might be okay for a daily driver on it.
2021-10-27 20:42:24	teraflops	the pro ships manjaro ;)
2021-10-27 20:42:35	Antiz	Yup but you can replace it right ? 
2021-10-27 20:43:01	bhava	hmm. took a while connecting to irc today.  not seeing any twitter remarks on it, guess it was my end
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2021-10-27 20:43:08	teraflops	not sure with the pro, but been running here arch linux arm for quite a while and it's pretty solid
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2021-10-27 20:43:23	Antiz	I honestly just do phone calls, text messages, signal messages, some social media and web browsing
2021-10-27 20:43:27	teraflops	tested several images and imho arch linux arm is the best one
2021-10-27 20:43:43	Antiz	But i'm a bit afraid of the overall slowness of the thing compares to today standard
2021-10-27 20:44:13	Antiz	Right now I use /e/ OS (degoogled version of android from the guy that created mandrake back in the days)
2021-10-27 20:44:14	teraflops	Antiz: phone calls and sms are 100% ok
2021-10-27 20:44:34	evilop	VoLTE and VoWIFI can be really hit or miss
2021-10-27 20:44:35	teraflops	email too and casual web browsing is ok as well
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2021-10-27 20:44:39	Antiz	But I'm willing to try those Linux phones !
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2021-10-27 20:45:05	Antiz	teraflops: Alright. So maybe a bit too soon for a real daily driver replacement I guess ?
2021-10-27 20:45:18	teraflops	it depends on the use case
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2021-10-27 20:45:40	teraflops	I'mnot using it as a daily driver because work
2021-10-27 20:45:50	Antiz	Well, I'm not a huge "smartphone freaks" but I do need it to work as it should mose of the time.
2021-10-27 20:46:08	Antiz	Maybe I'll buy a regular Pinephone just to play with and see how it goes :)
2021-10-27 20:46:10	teraflops	e.g the camera is just … horrible ;)
2021-10-27 20:46:19	Antiz	I don't care about camera :D
2021-10-27 20:46:44	Antiz	Taking photos from time to time but I can live without it. Not a huge deal.
2021-10-27 20:46:44	teraflops	Antiz: yeah, as a side note the doesktop mode works very well
2021-10-27 20:46:49	teraflops	desktop^
2021-10-27 20:47:00	Antiz	teraflops: Oh funny !
2021-10-27 20:47:09	Antiz	You have the convergence pack ?
2021-10-27 20:47:12	teraflops	I grab the 3GB plus the usbc thingy
2021-10-27 20:47:23	Antiz	Nice
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2021-10-27 20:48:02	teraflops	Antiz: yeah convergence pack, that's it
2021-10-27 20:48:34	jonathon	how does desktop performance compare to a "standard" arm sbc?
2021-10-27 20:49:13	Antiz	I was searching for a tablet. The jingpad looked cool but looks like you cannot replace their OS and I wanted Arch on it ^^
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2021-10-27 20:49:25	Antiz	So, phone might be a workaround :D
2021-10-27 20:49:44	teraflops	I'd say at the same level than bananapi m2 ultra
2021-10-27 20:49:51	teraflops	jonathon ^
2021-10-27 20:50:14	Antiz	Oh ! Anyone having a raspberry pi with Arch ARM ?
2021-10-27 20:50:50	Antiz	I have two. One of them is a server and runs perfectly. The other one is used as a "desktop" connected to the TV mostly for Youtube and shit.
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2021-10-27 20:51:03	Antiz	But i'm having trouble with performance.
2021-10-27 20:51:11	Antiz	That's a PI 4 model B BTW
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2021-10-27 20:51:48	Antiz	Youtube video playing is not really fluid. The best experience I had is on chromium. Other web browser just lags so much on that raspberry
2021-10-27 20:52:09	Antiz	Anyone has a quick tips for that maybe, if you played with ARM based CPU ? 
2021-10-27 20:52:25	jelle	!give Antiz alarm
2021-10-27 20:52:26	phrik	Antiz: If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
2021-10-27 20:52:40	mongy	open with browser addon + mpv hwdec
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2021-10-27 20:53:05	Antiz	jelle: My bad, not having an issue, just asking cause we're talking about ARM. But my bad ^^
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2021-10-27 20:54:07	jonathon	teraflops: if i get a pinephone, do you fancy collaborating on an official ALARM/Arch KDE port? ;D
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2021-10-27 20:57:37	teraflops	to be honest when I stop working all I want is to beat the couch or to go to the pub
2021-10-27 20:57:51	teraflops	getting old I guess
2021-10-27 20:57:57	jelle	make the pinephone your wokr
2021-10-27 20:58:01	jelle	bam!
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2021-10-27 20:59:11	jonathon	at $10 per unit sold, you'd only need them to sell like 5000 units each year and you could do it full time... :?
2021-10-27 20:59:20	teraflops	heh
2021-10-27 21:00:25	teraflops	talking about contributing I should upload ti gitlab/galaxy a bunch of ansible roles and terraform scripts I've written
2021-10-27 21:01:58	teraflops	jonathon: heh, selling weed is more profitable ;)
2021-10-27 21:02:12	jonathon	:D
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2021-10-27 21:07:25	teraflops	Antiz: not in the SBC business anymore but I had the impression that the only thing RPIs were useful was their graphics hw accel 
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2021-10-27 21:08:35	Antiz	teraflops: Well I think mine doesn't have graphics hw accel x)
2021-10-27 21:09:22	Antiz	At least it feels like it when watching videos or browing in general.
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2021-10-27 21:09:42	Antiz	But maybe I forgot something, IDK.
2021-10-27 21:10:09	Antiz	browsing*
2021-10-27 21:10:15	demonicmaniac	teraflops: more the video accel. gpu 3d accel with lima and etnaviv and stuff has been in mesa forever
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2021-10-27 21:10:36	demonicmaniac	but support for more codecs and specific hw dec took longer and still isn't perfect. but at least h263 and some h264 is mostly covered everywhere now
2021-10-27 21:10:41	Antiz	Maybe I didn't install the right video driver
2021-10-27 21:10:59	teraflops	demonicmaniac: yeah I was thinking more on that
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2021-10-27 21:12:52	susi	demonicmaniac: you really evil? :o
2021-10-27 21:13:31	teraflops	Antiz: a full blown web browser is too hard for an rpi I think
2021-10-27 21:13:55	rcf	Not really 
2021-10-27 21:14:07	teraflops	even for playing with youtube?
2021-10-27 21:14:46	rcf	Compiling one is a vile task, but using one isn't that bad. 
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2021-10-27 21:14:55	rcf	ARM stuff is not as weak as people seem to think it is. 
2021-10-27 21:14:55	teraflops	oh, good to know
2021-10-27 21:15:06	demonicmaniac	you need to use one that uses their hwdec stuff
2021-10-27 21:15:20	teraflops	yeah I remember building chromium for mali gpu
2021-10-27 21:15:30	Antiz	teraflops: Maybe... I've tried light one like Midori but had trouble playing youtube video so... For now Chromium has been the best one :/
2021-10-27 21:16:12	teraflops	for youtube I think some sort of open with mpv thingy would be the way to go
2021-10-27 21:16:18	rcf	teraflops: using mpv is the way to go, yes. 
2021-10-27 21:16:26	rcf	But I do that literally everywhere 
2021-10-27 21:16:34	teraflops	heh true
2021-10-27 21:16:40	rcf	I can't stand the horrid performance of the web player even when I do get acceleration to work 
2021-10-27 21:16:56	teraflops	but I really hate how the connections slows down when using mpv
2021-10-27 21:17:05	rcf	Yes, it works better than it used to. But I don't like using hardware acceleration and still hearing the fan spin up slightly 
2021-10-27 21:17:29	mongy	yt-dlp > youtube-dl
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2021-10-27 21:18:13	jonathon	does mpv look for yt-dlp natively? i symlinked it in to make certain it worked... :/
2021-10-27 21:18:36	teraflops	I do not even use the browser, you can just mpv ytdl://ytsearch10:whatever
2021-10-27 21:18:45	evilop	remove symlink and find out?
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2021-10-27 21:18:52	jonathon	heh
2021-10-27 21:19:31	negen	arm is probably going to get quite a large boost in the next couple years. I am excited about it. I just hope the big chip makers keep drivers and what not open I am not at all well versed in arm stuff but even those tiger chips seems to getting good results on linux. 
2021-10-27 21:19:50	mongy	I have crappy hw, but 'Open With' addon + yt-dlp + config preferring h264 1080p + mpv = coolies
2021-10-27 21:20:15	teraflops	I went mbp because the M1 thingy and it's just amazing
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2021-10-27 21:21:10	negen	i have a station p2 comming my way soon enough(i hope) rk3568 8gb ram. Should be fun to play around with. 
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2021-10-27 21:31:49	demonicmaniac	jonathon: it doesnt thats why the yt-dlp-dropin exists
2021-10-27 21:32:32	demonicmaniac	sadly python module is compatible but different place not symlinked so stuff using python module require patching
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2021-10-27 21:33:52	jelle	demonicmaniac: there was a trick in mpv config no?
2021-10-27 21:34:04	⚡ 	jelle is still salty his kodi youtube addon is still rip
2021-10-27 21:34:05	earnestly	jonathon: (mpv prefers yt-dlp but this may not be in a release yet)
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2021-10-27 21:34:21	earnestly	jonathon: Until then you can use script-opts=ytdl_hook-ytdl_path="yt-dlp"
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2021-10-27 21:34:51	MacGyver	jelle: ^
2021-10-27 21:34:52	earnestly	https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/pull/9209
2021-10-27 21:35:05	MacGyver	(That's the trick you're referring to I think)
2021-10-27 21:35:13	jelle	MacGyver: indeed :)
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2021-10-27 21:35:26	MacGyver	Not that yt-dlp solves all issues.
2021-10-27 21:35:29	demonicmaniac	or just use the dropin symlink because theres a lot that tries to call ytdl besides mpv potentially
2021-10-27 21:35:36	MacGyver	I find it still hangs sometimes, but at least it's not *throttled*.
2021-10-27 21:35:51	jelle	MacGyver: the throttling is super annoying on kodi :(
2021-10-27 21:35:58	MacGyver	Though that may actually be a network issue on my system.
2021-10-27 21:36:04	demonicmaniac	MacGyver: yt-dlp essentially is slower on fetching info and stuff
2021-10-27 21:36:18	MacGyver	demonicmaniac: When I say "hangs" I mean in the middle of a video.
2021-10-27 21:36:19	demonicmaniac	but it's not throttled to 70kb like ytdl is
2021-10-27 21:36:32	demonicmaniac	oh yeah that sounds more like network
2021-10-27 21:36:55	demonicmaniac	to be fair though when enough people have switched to yt-dlp google will just throttle yt-dlp's current hack workaround as well
2021-10-27 21:37:08	demonicmaniac	yay for endless cat and mouse
2021-10-27 21:37:10	MacGyver	Not sure they can.
2021-10-27 21:37:23	MacGyver	Iirc it tries to look very hard like Android or something like that.
2021-10-27 21:37:32	MacGyver	Good luck throttling that without impacting your own phones.
2021-10-27 21:38:01	MacGyver	What they of course should make is a way to inject youtube ads in mpv.
2021-10-27 21:38:05	MacGyver	Then no need for throttling!
2021-10-27 21:38:19	◣	zro (~zro@user/zro) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2021-10-27 21:38:26	⚡ 	MacGyver waits to be crucified.
2021-10-27 21:38:26	earnestly	Tools like youtube-dl were only ever going to exist as cat-and-mouse projects
2021-10-27 21:38:44	earnestly	Enjoy it while it lasts
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2021-10-27 21:41:08	MacGyver	I mean if Alphabet's daughters would just stop collecting my data when I pay for a subscription, I might actually consider it.
2021-10-27 21:41:13	◥	DeaDSouL (~DeaDSouL@85.203.34.74) has joined #archlinux
2021-10-27 21:41:22	MacGyver	But then if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon, so...
2021-10-27 21:43:09	demonicmaniac	i tried watching youtube via bog standard firestick youtube app on tv recently
2021-10-27 21:43:37	demonicmaniac	didn't manage a single video without at least 5 ads
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2021-10-27 21:43:54	MacGyver	3 from youtube, 2 from the tv?
2021-10-27 21:43:57	demonicmaniac	actually worse than proper tv
2021-10-27 21:44:31	◣	slee (~slee@user/slee) ha salido (Client Quit)
2021-10-27 21:44:48	demonicmaniac	at least i hadnt encountered any of the mythical 50 minute ads
2021-10-27 21:45:04	◥	hilom (~hilom@user/hilom) has joined #archlinux
2021-10-27 21:46:15	teraflops	so what's left, blocking with something like unbound should be better?
2021-10-27 21:46:17	demonicmaniac	and the longest unskippable ad is 30s still i think
2021-10-27 21:46:36	◣	danso (~danso@23-233-111-52.cpe.pppoe.ca) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.2)
2021-10-27 21:46:41	demonicmaniac	don't use a tv :P simple
2021-10-27 21:46:44	teraflops	heh
2021-10-27 21:47:00	demonicmaniac	or if then kodi or stuff instead of builtin crap or firestick
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2021-10-27 21:49:11	demonicmaniac	i don't mind a single 15s preroll ad from youtube themselves and the creator one too maybe but when you get 3 preroll ads in a row from youtube plus ad block every 10 minutes it gets ridiculous even if you can skip most
2021-10-27 21:49:43	demonicmaniac	or heck make it 3 minutes mandatory ads for 1h of video
2021-10-27 21:50:28	◣	Nspace (~Nspace@user/nspace) ha salido (Quit: Nspace)
2021-10-27 21:50:39	Antiz	I have a pihole server at home
2021-10-27 21:50:55	Antiz	He used to block youtube ads
2021-10-27 21:51:08	Antiz	But now Youtube just manage to get through it...
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2021-10-27 21:51:19	◣	UmarJ (~username@user/umarj) ha salido (Quit: UmarJ)
2021-10-27 21:51:25	ℹ 	deck4rd es conocido ahora como deckard
2021-10-27 21:51:45	Antiz	From time to time, updating the blacklist "fix the problem" for a moment but I comes back after some moment
2021-10-27 21:51:52	jonathon	i think youtube switched their ads to be served from the video content servers, so you can't block one without the other
2021-10-27 21:52:00	Antiz	Yes I guess
2021-10-27 21:52:40	Antiz	But even tho I wanna be cool with creators... It happens to have a 1min ad for a 40sec video... That's frustrating.
2021-10-27 21:52:56	◥	rpdesouza (~rpdesouza@dhcp-089-099-028-038.chello.nl) has joined #archlinux
2021-10-27 21:53:08	Antiz	And unfortunalety odyssey isn't as rich as YT in term of contect (yet ?).
2021-10-27 21:54:25	teraflops	what happened with that site that served yt videos w/o all the crap? I remember editing limnoria yt plugin to rewrite the URLs
2021-10-27 21:54:44	teraflops	I suppose it died
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2021-10-27 21:55:05	Antiz	Didn't know something like that existed actually x)
2021-10-27 21:55:09	jonathon	invidious still exists, just not on invidio.us any more
2021-10-27 21:55:14	teraflops	yeah that one
2021-10-27 21:55:16	⚡ 	jonathon runs is own instance
2021-10-27 21:56:08	denisse	Hello, the latest iaito version seems to be broken.
2021-10-27 21:56:24	denisse	I get this when trying to use iaito: error: iaito: error while loading shared libraries: libr_core.so.5.4.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2021-10-27 21:56:56	denisse	I think that this happens because it's incompatible with the latest QT version.
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2021-10-27 21:57:30	teraflops	hmm, partial update?
2021-10-27 21:57:38	Antiz	Yup, I was gonna say
2021-10-27 21:57:57	Antiz	That kinda looks like a partial update issue
2021-10-27 21:58:21	teraflops	I cannot find libr_core.so.5.4.0 using pacman -F
2021-10-27 21:58:43	teraflops	denisse: so rebuild your aur stuff or wait I guess
2021-10-27 21:59:13	denisse	My system is fully updated, I validated the issue with another Arch user.
2021-10-27 21:59:20	denisse	Is iaito working for you?
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2021-10-27 22:00:35	evilop	pacman -Q iaito
2021-10-27 22:01:32	evilop	denisse: ^
2021-10-27 22:01:54	denisse	I get iaito 5.3.1-1.
2021-10-27 22:02:00	Antiz	denisse: Which version are you talking about ?
2021-10-27 22:02:04	Antiz	Oh thx ^^
2021-10-27 22:02:13	evilop	!bug 72386 
2021-10-27 22:02:13	phrik	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/72386
2021-10-27 22:02:30	evilop	you can rebuild yourself if you don't want to wait
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2021-10-27 22:03:07	denisse	Thanks evilop, I'm building it from source.
2021-10-27 22:03:15	evilop	denisse: use makepkg
2021-10-27 22:03:24	◣	obale1 (~obale@user/obale) ha salido (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2021-10-27 22:04:54	denisse	The description in the bug you shared makes a lot of sense, thanks for sharing it.
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2021-10-28 17:30:51	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1364 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1363 normals)
2021-10-28 11:37:12	Junx	Hey, i have borked progress bars on one of my mirrors, works fine if i delete it but it pops up back at the top when reflector runs as its the top choice for sweden. Can i blacklist it somehow or should i switch mirrors to like denmark or something instead?
2021-10-28 11:40:08	Junx	i mean deleting it manually is kind of an option but feels like a bad way of solving it. could tell the owner of the mirror but no idea how to contact them :)
2021-10-28 11:41:05	nns	Junx: from reflector --help
2021-10-28 11:41:16	nns	  -x <regex>, --exclude <regex>
2021-10-28 11:41:16	nns	                        Exclude servers that match <regex>, where <regex> is a Python regular express.
2021-10-28 11:41:31	nns	could just add that to your reflector conf file
2021-10-28 11:42:09	Junx	nns: thanks, im an idiot :D
2021-10-28 11:44:45	nns	np
2021-10-28 12:04:29	ox`	IMO still waiting jedelava 
2021-10-28 12:04:32	ox`	*im 
2021-10-28 12:04:37	ox`	jelle-
2021-10-28 12:27:54	stecx	sed -e 's/[92m//' clean.txt
2021-10-28 12:28:05	stecx	if i remove sq bracket the command works
2021-10-28 12:29:59	stecx	otherwise i get unterminated s command?
2021-10-28 12:30:47	NetSysFire	you need to escape the [
2021-10-28 12:32:38	stecx	yes thanks :) i just worked that out :o
2021-10-28 12:32:42	stecx	cheers
2021-10-28 12:46:31	VinnySauce	hi all, my arch machine seems to be running very slowly, but I can't figure out the cause.
2021-10-28 12:46:48	VinnySauce	thinks like upgrading Pacman packages are much slower than they used to be.
2021-10-28 12:47:03	VinnySauce	my GNOME System Monitor shows that I'm not running out of RAM, CPU or disk space
2021-10-28 12:47:12	VinnySauce	any ideas?
2021-10-28 12:48:08	mpan	VinnySauce: isn’t your mirror slower?
2021-10-28 12:48:29	VinnySauce	it's not downloads, it's during the install phase
2021-10-28 12:49:10	VinnySauce	and general GUI lag/slowdown despite plenty of spare resources
2021-10-28 12:52:14	VinnySauce	i'm tempted to say that it's disk mpan 
2021-10-28 12:53:01	varl	have you checked the SMART sensors on your drives ?
2021-10-28 12:55:16	VinnySauce	varl: checking now
2021-10-28 12:56:04	VinnySauce	gotta wait until Paru has finished
2021-10-28 12:56:22	VinnySauce	but it feels like it's slowly gotten worse over time, which would make sense if the SSD is degrading
2021-10-28 12:56:25	VinnySauce	it's my oldest SSD
2021-10-28 12:56:48	Tom^	well over how long time? all these spectre/meltdown mitigations keeps piling up
2021-10-28 12:56:57	Tom^	mitigations=off ftw. :p
2021-10-28 12:57:06	VinnySauce	the SSD is 5-6 years old
2021-10-28 12:57:17	VinnySauce	but the CPU is newer, it's a Ryzen 3900x
2021-10-28 12:57:29	VinnySauce	the PC performs well under Windows, and used to perform well under Arch too
2021-10-28 12:57:37	VinnySauce	(different drives for Windows and Arch)
2021-10-28 12:57:51	Namarrgon	have you checked the io load?
2021-10-28 12:58:12	VinnySauce	Namarrgon: I haven't, is there a command for it?
2021-10-28 12:58:25	varl	VinnySauce: right, a word of caution. my ssd's have always failed "out of the blue" and unrecoverably. they just work, until they don't work at all.
2021-10-28 12:58:35	varl	so make some backups asap 
2021-10-28 12:58:45	Namarrgon	iotop comes to mind
2021-10-28 12:58:48	VinnySauce	varl: many thanks :) got backups
2021-10-28 12:58:48	Namarrgon	dstat
2021-10-28 12:59:14	varl	VinnySauce: cheers :)
2021-10-28 13:00:01	VinnySauce	Namarrgon: ok I have iotop open
2021-10-28 13:00:21	VinnySauce	the Actual Disk Write is up and down as I'm installing stuff
2021-10-28 13:01:39	VinnySauce	it's anywhere from 0 to 100 MB/s
2021-10-28 13:02:16	Namarrgon	which process are causing the high load?
2021-10-28 13:02:40	VinnySauce	just node at the moment
2021-10-28 13:02:45	Namarrgon	node?
2021-10-28 13:02:59	VinnySauce	yeah I'm installing a package written in NodeJS
2021-10-28 13:03:15	VinnySauce	but this happens more generally even while i'm not installing
2021-10-28 13:03:24	VinnySauce	when I'm writing to disk, it feels like things are slower than normal
2021-10-28 13:03:39	Namarrgon	do you have trim configured?
2021-10-28 13:03:52	Namarrgon	run smartctl on the disk and see if it's out of reserve blocks
2021-10-28 13:05:38	VinnySauce	ok, just ran SmartCTL
2021-10-28 13:06:22	VinnySauce	the TRIM command is "Available, deterministic, zeroed"
2021-10-28 13:06:41	Namarrgon	no, i mean how did you set up trim/discar for that disk?
2021-10-28 13:06:41	VinnySauce	retired_block_count is 0
2021-10-28 13:07:06	VinnySauce	I think it's on by default
2021-10-28 13:07:19	VinnySauce	lsblk --discard shows that it's enabled
2021-10-28 13:07:25	ox`	jelle: still waiting
2021-10-28 13:07:43	VinnySauce	DISC-GRAN is 512B and DISC-MAX is 2G @Namarrgon 
2021-10-28 13:07:48	Namarrgon	how is it enabled?
2021-10-28 13:08:10	Namarrgon	did you mount the fs with the discard option or do you have the fstrim service/timer enabled?
2021-10-28 13:09:12	VinnySauce	it's weird, the fstrim systemd service is loaded but inactive
2021-10-28 13:09:21	VinnySauce	there's no discard in /etc/fstab
2021-10-28 13:09:38	Namarrgon	what about the .timer unit?
2021-10-28 13:09:53	VinnySauce	loaded but inactive (dead)
2021-10-28 13:09:59	VinnySauce	seems disabled
2021-10-28 13:10:08	VinnySauce	Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/fstrim.timer; disabled; vendor preset: disabled)
2021-10-28 13:10:17	Namarrgon	so you never ran trim on that fs?
2021-10-28 13:10:28	VinnySauce	I guess not, ah I see
2021-10-28 13:10:41	VinnySauce	lsblk indicates TRIM /support/, not whether it's actually being run
2021-10-28 13:10:50	Namarrgon	trim it manually first, then enable the timer and see if the situation improves
2021-10-28 13:12:30	VinnySauce	Namarrgon: is it the fstrim command?
2021-10-28 13:12:51	Namarrgon	"fstrim -av"
2021-10-28 13:13:53	VinnySauce	ok, it ran, it finished very quickly with no output
2021-10-28 13:16:15	VinnySauce	ok, running "sudo fstrim -v /" now
2021-10-28 13:16:15	alwyn	What can I do if pulseaudio keeps reverting to HSP/HFP for my bluetooth headphones instead of staying on SBC/AAC/aptx?
2021-10-28 13:16:17	VinnySauce	it's taking longer
2021-10-28 13:16:33	Namarrgon	VinnySauce: what type is the / filesystem?
2021-10-28 13:16:52	VinnySauce	ext4 Namarrgon 
2021-10-28 13:17:06	VinnySauce	ok wow, it just trimmed 25 GB
2021-10-28 13:17:49	Namarrgon	weird that -a doesn't work
2021-10-28 13:20:21	VinnySauce	so I guess I'll see how the performance is now?
2021-10-28 13:22:30	alwyn	¯\_(ツ)_/¯ reinstalled pulseaudio-modules-bt and rebooted and it works
2021-10-28 13:23:16	Namarrgon	VinnySauce: yup
2021-10-28 13:24:27	u0	Where should I put lines to make reflector start after network? Should I create /etc/systemd/system/reflector.service? Or edit /usr/lib/systemd/system/reflector.service?
2021-10-28 13:25:36	Namarrgon	not in /usr, that's pacman's territory. if you just want to add another Wants=/After= then you can add a snippet in /etc/systemd/system/reflector.service.d
2021-10-28 13:26:14	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd#Drop-in_files
2021-10-28 13:26:16	phrik	Title: systemd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-28 13:26:55	u0	I have error on boot - Failed to start Pacman mirrorlist with reflector, and hope this going to fix it.
2021-10-28 13:34:41	powerman2206	Is it a good idea if I add my user to the `disk` group?
2021-10-28 13:34:56	powerman2206	Like, will I be able to mount disks without escalated privilages if I do it?
2021-10-28 13:36:06	Namarrgon	that will give your user the permission to not only mount the disks but also to write to the disks, any part of them
2021-10-28 13:36:16	Gagis	IIRC disk should not be used
2021-10-28 13:36:27	powerman2206	Ah
2021-10-28 13:36:34	Namarrgon	do you want your browser to be able to write to your /etc/shadow?
2021-10-28 13:36:40	powerman2206	Good point
2021-10-28 13:36:42	Namarrgon	or any other part of the disk?
2021-10-28 13:36:45	Gagis	isnt there some more modern way to enable mounting of removable drives?
2021-10-28 13:37:05	powerman2206	Well yeah there is, udisks2
2021-10-28 13:37:11	powerman2206	But I don't wanna
2021-10-28 13:38:00	Gagis	theres also plugdev but I dont remember exactly what it does
2021-10-28 13:38:08	powerman2206	I guess I should mention the actual problem first, don't want the xy thing happening
2021-10-28 13:38:34	powerman2206	Basically I got a micro:bit and wanna screw around with it, and for that I need the microblocks program
2021-10-28 13:39:05	powerman2206	But I get a bunch of `Could not open serial port` warnings
2021-10-28 13:39:29	powerman2206	So I assume it has something to do with privilages, since I can mount it just fine (with sudo)
2021-10-28 13:41:16	Namarrgon	so you don't want to mount a disk but open a serial connection instead?
2021-10-28 13:41:21	futune	you could add sudo nopasswd for the specific mount and umount commands you need
2021-10-28 13:41:33	VinnySauce	hi Namarrgon, thanks for your help - it /feels/ a bit faster, we'll see how things go
2021-10-28 13:41:34	powerman2206	Namarrgon: ahh, was almost an xy
2021-10-28 13:41:43	powerman2206	And ye, I guess I wanna do that
2021-10-28 13:45:08	Namarrgon	powerman2206: you connect it over usb and it creates a ttyusb* device?
2021-10-28 13:45:24	Namarrgon	what are the permissions and ownership on it?
2021-10-28 13:46:10	powerman2206	Hm, there's no ttyusb anywhere in /dev
2021-10-28 13:46:21	powerman2206	It created an sdb, though
2021-10-28 13:46:55	Namarrgon	is there any documentation for this?
2021-10-28 13:47:05	powerman2206	For Linux, probably not
2021-10-28 13:47:13	powerman2206	Ah, I see the problem
2021-10-28 13:47:59	VinnySauce	Namarrgon: things feel much faster now after a reboot!
2021-10-28 14:08:23	Namarrgon	powerman2206: it appears that you can either copy code over to the "disk" or via the serial connection
2021-10-28 14:09:03	Namarrgon	linux documentation was an afterthought in this project
2021-10-28 14:09:45	susi	how is lsblk --discard output to be interpret, for example line (DISC-ALN DISC-GRAN DISC-MAX DISC-ZERO): 3145728        4M     111M         0
2021-10-28 14:20:57	ianliu	I'm trying to run root-less Xorg, but it always seems to start as root. What I'm doing is executing "startx" at tty1. On tty1, I get XDG_VTNR=1, and after the server started, ps these arguments for Xorg: -nolisten tcp :0 vt1 -keeptty -auth /tmp/serverauth.y0c4L3tTVA . What am I missing for root-less xorg?
2021-10-28 14:21:15	ianliu	ps shows*
2021-10-28 14:22:19	ianliu	I also tried placing an ~/.xserverrc with (exec /usr/bin/Xorg -nolisten tcp "$@" vt$XDG_VTNR), but then vt1 was being duplicated, so I deleted .xserverrc
2021-10-28 14:24:23	ianliu	I think startx is already passing vt$XDG_VTNR to Xorg
2021-10-28 14:33:11	Namarrgon	ianliu: do you have an nvidia gpu? why do you think that X is running suid?
2021-10-28 14:33:53	ianliu	my laptop has an nvidia-gpu, but I usually don't use it. When I want to use nvidia, I issue nvidia-xrun on another tty
2021-10-28 14:34:11	Namarrgon	susi: gran/max is the minimum and maximum size which can be discarded in an operation
2021-10-28 14:34:58	Namarrgon	ianliu: using kms X will default to rootless X
2021-10-28 14:38:07	ianliu	maybe it is a conflict with nvidia, then. I see that nvidia driver gets loaded, but I'm not sure if my tty is using nvidia or integrated graphics.
2021-10-28 14:38:46	Namarrgon	which conflict? 
2021-10-28 14:38:49	ianliu	the resolution of my tty suggest it is using kms, because it gets the correct screen resolution
2021-10-28 14:38:58	Namarrgon	what's the problem here?
2021-10-28 14:39:15	ianliu	I'm trying to understand why my Xorg starts as root
2021-10-28 14:41:33	ianliu	ok, so I rmmod the nvidia drivers, and Xorg started as my user! But it didn't start my window manager, it seems to have fallback to the system xinitrc
2021-10-28 14:42:01	Namarrgon	why do you think that it runs as root?
2021-10-28 14:42:20	ianliu	because I executed ps aux | grep Xorg
2021-10-28 14:42:26	Namarrgon	and what did it return?
2021-10-28 14:42:28	ianliu	and the owner of the process was root
2021-10-28 14:42:48	ianliu	after rmmod the nvidia drivers, the user is ian
2021-10-28 14:43:15	woscio	i'm not sure about your porblem.i only user nvidia.intergrated graphics card and nouveau,i disable it.
2021-10-28 14:44:56	woscio	i think Xorg itself is start by the root user.
2021-10-28 14:45:00	Namarrgon	ianliu: "man Xwrapper"
2021-10-28 14:48:02	woscio	in my notebook, xorg is also started with root
2021-10-28 14:48:15	ianliu	ah, the Xwrapper did the trick
2021-10-28 14:48:21	ianliu	thanks!
2021-10-28 14:56:10	woscio	after the chromium is upgraded to the 95 version.the hardware accelerated video rendering can't come out.only white pages are displayed.
2021-10-28 14:56:42	woscio	have you encountered this problem.
2021-10-28 15:01:12	susi	I don't have xwrapper manual page :o
2021-10-28 15:01:46	susi	and adding anything mentioned in the wiki or otherwise, like need_root_rights=yes/no or allowed_users=xxx whines about unrecognized options or something
2021-10-28 15:02:10	susi	oh, man xwrapper.config... but still it whines about those configs :)
2021-10-28 15:02:29	Namarrgon	what "whines"?
2021-10-28 15:03:38	susi	"need_root_rights: Invalid key '/usr/lib/Xorg.wrap' at '/etc/X11/Xwrapper.config' line 2"
2021-10-28 15:04:18	Namarrgon	that's the wrong name
2021-10-28 15:04:42	susi	but same for allowed_users, that's correct
2021-10-28 15:05:18	susi	ok, nvm
2021-10-28 15:05:21	Namarrgon	what did you set it to?
2021-10-28 15:05:21	susi	there were typos :)
2021-10-28 15:16:52	a6a45081-2b83	it seems xmonad-contrib 0.17 was released, is there a way I can help get it to community repo, which still has out of date 0.16.130 
2021-10-28 15:17:02	NetSysFire	!outdated
2021-10-28 15:17:04	phrik	Outdated package? (1) Flag it as out of date and be patient. (2) If you can't wait, build it yourself. (3) If more than three weeks have passed and you want to help updating it, tell the maintainer if the new version works or not. Do not forget to be kind or your mail shall be cast into oblivion
2021-10-28 15:20:12	rbh	I would like some assistance with setting the system locale. I tried following the wiki guidelines but had no success
2021-10-28 15:20:39	rbh	When I run `locale` the output still says LANG=C
2021-10-28 15:21:43	Scimmia	rbh: what does locale -a give you?
2021-10-28 15:21:47	rbh	I have generated the required `en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8` as well as set it in my `/etc/locale.conf`
2021-10-28 15:22:17	rbh	C, POSIC, en_US.utf8. Scimmia
2021-10-28 15:22:22	rbh	POSIX*
2021-10-28 15:22:26	Scimmia	ok, so you do have it generated
2021-10-28 15:22:58	rbh	locale.conf contains `LANG=en_US.UTF-8`
2021-10-28 15:22:58	Scimmia	and what, exactly, is in /etc/locale.conf?
2021-10-28 15:23:32	Scimmia	so that should work. Logging into a tty? What shell?
2021-10-28 15:23:47	rbh	Should I be using LANG=en_US.UTF8 instead?
2021-10-28 15:24:09	Scimmia	no, what you have should be fine
2021-10-28 15:24:11	rbh	Shell is bash
2021-10-28 15:24:18	rbh	sorry, its zsh
2021-10-28 15:24:21	rbh	forgot that I changed it
2021-10-28 15:24:42	Scimmia	either one should use /etc/profile, so that's fine
2021-10-28 15:25:18	Scimmia	so logging in to a tty or ...?
2021-10-28 15:25:18	rbh	One of my editors is also complaining about the locale so it might not be just the shell
2021-10-28 15:25:48	rbh	Not exactly sure what you mean by that. Do you want me to try to log into a tty?
2021-10-28 15:26:03	Scimmia	I'm asking how you're logging in now
2021-10-28 15:26:25	rbh	Oh, I use sddm now. Used tty previously
2021-10-28 15:26:47	rbh	I dont know if the issue still existed when I logged in using tty
2021-10-28 15:26:49	Scimmia	sddm, so are you on plasma?
2021-10-28 15:26:53	rbh	yes
2021-10-28 15:27:26	Scimmia	plasma has it's own settings that can screw things up, let me check where that file is
2021-10-28 15:27:58	Scimmia	delete ~/.config/plasma-localerc if it exists
2021-10-28 15:28:01	rbh	Should I try to log in via tty into a different WM just to check?
2021-10-28 15:28:19	rbh	That file doesnt exist
2021-10-28 15:28:29	rbh	Wait sorry, it does
2021-10-28 15:28:38	rbh	Eyes are quite tired right now
2021-10-28 15:28:56	rbh	Yep, seems like that has an override for LANG=C
2021-10-28 15:31:03	dostoyevsky2	what's an efficient way to check whether a list of packages is already installed?
2021-10-28 15:31:39	rbh	why the hell would kde do such a thing
2021-10-28 15:32:06	rbh	Anyway, thanks Scimmia. I'll re-login and see if it works
2021-10-28 15:32:11	Scimmia	so they can have a user friendly GUI. Gotta complicate things in the name of simplicity
2021-10-28 15:33:02	Namarrgon	dostoyevsky2: what are you trying to do?
2021-10-28 15:33:05	Scimmia	dostoyevsky2: pacman -T?
2021-10-28 15:34:04	dostoyevsky2	Namarrgon: I have a list of packages and want to determine which ones still need to be installed
2021-10-28 15:34:16	Namarrgon	why don't you just install them?
2021-10-28 15:34:27	Namarrgon	"-Q <list of packages>" will return non-zero for one or more missing packages
2021-10-28 15:34:56	Namarrgon	you won't know which one is missing but with can still install the list with --needed without much overhead
2021-10-28 15:36:29	dostoyevsky2	hmmm... pacman -T seems to do what I want, just lists the missing packages... even when not running as root
2021-10-28 15:40:29	dostoyevsky2	Namarrgon: I want to create a script that would propose which packages are to be installed, so preferably that script could run as non-root and would only make a proposal which I can then run as root, after review.  I am supporting many linux distributions, and the script would help me to harmonize all the different servers I use
2021-10-28 15:42:17	Namarrgon	what are you providing support for?
2021-10-28 15:43:53	icar	Does anyone know where's the migration to x86_64-v3 packages at?
2021-10-28 15:44:15	Namarrgon	not very far
2021-10-28 15:44:31	Namarrgon	it didn't get very far yet, that is
2021-10-28 15:46:06	icar	Oh, sad
2021-10-28 15:49:22	icar	Could it be added to archlinux.org/todo ? 
2021-10-28 15:53:37	susi	at least you can use Con Koliva's -v3 kernel already :-)
2021-10-28 15:55:26	evilop	didn't con quit?
2021-10-28 15:56:10	evilop	(for the second time)
2021-10-28 15:56:40	icar	CK stopped updating his patchset. https://ck-hack.blogspot.com/2021/08/514-and-future-of-muqss-and-ck-once.html
2021-10-28 15:56:43	phrik	Title: -ck hacking: 5.14 and the future of MuQSS and -ck once again (at ck-hack.blogspot.com)
2021-10-28 16:03:21	susi	oh :/
2021-10-28 16:03:27	susi	rip
2021-10-28 16:49:49	raster	shhhh... silence all you noisy people!
2021-10-28 16:49:52	raster	:)
2021-10-28 16:52:02	icy_hot	PEW PEW
2021-10-28 16:52:11	⚡ 	icy_hot uses a silencer
2021-10-28 16:52:20	icy_hot	pew pew
2021-10-28 16:52:33	raster	hahaha
2021-10-28 17:00:18	susi	die pie
2021-10-28 17:04:07	The-Compiler	!quiet
2021-10-28 17:04:08	phrik	Shhhhhhhh
2021-10-28 17:04:27	leonic	hi, I just installed arch linux. when I open firefox I get this: https://i.imgur.com/AblagOb.png
2021-10-28 17:04:54	The-Compiler	leonic: sounds like you might need to install a proper font
2021-10-28 17:05:19	leonic	all other programs look fine
2021-10-28 17:05:23	icy_hot	hmm since when did arch linux start implementing their website as the browser's home page?
2021-10-28 17:05:47	leonic	I just went to archlinux.org for the screenshot
2021-10-28 17:05:52	icy_hot	oh okay
2021-10-28 17:06:15	The-Compiler	leonic: try installing something like ttf-bitstream-vera
2021-10-28 17:06:15	raster	you need better fontsesesss
2021-10-28 17:06:22	raster	yeah - like that
2021-10-28 17:06:27	evilop	!aw font configuration
2021-10-28 17:06:28	phrik	evilop: Font configuration - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Font_configuration
2021-10-28 17:06:31	The-Compiler	see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fonts#Families
2021-10-28 17:06:32	phrik	Title: Fonts - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-28 17:06:33	evilop	and install more fonts
2021-10-28 17:06:59	The-Compiler	evilop: I don't think you'll have to mess with fontconfig to get "normal" fonts :P
2021-10-28 17:07:34	evilop	no, but the default is generally bad
2021-10-28 17:08:15	leonic	oh, I think I have to mention that it's only on flatpak firefox.
2021-10-28 17:08:24	leonic	firefox from the repo looks fine.
2021-10-28 17:13:09	raster	leonic: flatpack.. friend don't let friends to flatpack. use the package from arch.
2021-10-28 17:14:34	leonic	it worked on fedora
2021-10-28 17:19:49	evilop	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1621915
2021-10-28 17:19:52	phrik	Title: 1621915 - funky fonts in Flatpaks (at bugzilla.mozilla.org)
2021-10-28 17:23:17	leonic	thanks. that workaround doesn't work for me though.
2021-10-28 17:27:46	JBzh	Good afternoon
2021-10-28 17:29:53	andrew	is there a way to make an optional dependencies tree?
2021-10-28 17:30:41	evilop	pactree
2021-10-28 17:30:51	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-28 17:31:04	evilop	(may require extra processing)
2021-10-28 17:31:21	andrew	like some how telling pacman "install x as it is needed by y (but also z have it optional), remove it if y is removed (and ignoring the fact that it is z optional deps too)"
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2021-10-28 17:31:51	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-28 17:34:03	JBzh	a grub question after a clean install, if someone could help me: I configured a EFI /boot partition (not encrypted), and LVM over LUKS for the rest including /. I have some trouble understanding if I must apply the boot loader kernel parameters and those described in "Using sd-encrypt", in the Dm-crypt system configuration wiki page. So far after the grub menu it hangs (with the laptop
2021-10-28 17:34:03	JBzh	constructor logo so I don't know if there are 
2021-10-28 17:34:03	JBzh	messages but I don't think so), then I get a time out opening /dev/vg_main/lv_main (where my / is, inside the LUKS container)
2021-10-28 17:34:22	Scimmia	andrew: that's the default behavior, iirc
2021-10-28 17:34:22	JBzh	it was quite a long message, sorry about that
2021-10-28 17:34:46	Scimmia	it just warns you when it's removing an optional dep
2021-10-28 17:36:01	JBzh	I tried the "GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y", but it's the same (and as I understand it, this is used when /boot is encrypted too
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2021-10-28 17:36:46	Namarrgon	JBzh: you don't need that option if your /boot is not encrypted
2021-10-28 17:37:03	JBzh	ok, thanks Namarrgon 
2021-10-28 17:37:12	Namarrgon	yes, with sd-encrypt you have to either provide the kernel parameters or write a crypttab
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2021-10-28 17:37:33	Namarrgon	otherwise the syste won't know how to find your /-fs
2021-10-28 17:37:47	JBzh	ho, ok, I'll do that now, thank you
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2021-10-28 18:13:10	susi	why's no one having any issues *I* could solve :/
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2021-10-28 18:13:31	susi	issues like "how to list files under home (in Arch)" " > ls ~"
2021-10-28 18:13:55	teraflops	if you have money you can solve my issues
2021-10-28 18:14:09	SysGhost	susi: Mayber you can help out in the #archlinux-newbie channel
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2021-10-28 18:14:33	susi	SysGhost: lol, I've been there, just pros lurking and no one ever visiting
2021-10-28 18:14:48	susi	but I was partly joking anyways :)
2021-10-28 18:15:26	SysGhost	I got the feeling =) But still 
2021-10-28 18:16:11	susi	where would anyone even know to join -newbie channel
2021-10-28 18:16:28	susi	when I first joined never occured to me to try "-newbie"
2021-10-28 18:16:52	SysGhost	same here
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2021-10-28 18:19:15	SysGhost	Seems kinda rude to shove that newcomer into the newbie channel right away.
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2021-10-28 18:26:34	noahmg123	I have a WiFi/Bluetooth combo card in my laptop. However, it seemed to fail several months back, so I disabled it in my BIOS and bought dongles to replace the functionality. They work, but I'm wondering if anyone here could possible know a fix. I haven't enabled it in a bit, but iirc it would work for a minute or two before it would literally just stop responding. Reading kernel logs, it would
2021-10-28 18:26:34	noahmg123	simply timeout during communication.
2021-10-28 18:26:34	noahmg123	that would crash the driver, and make the card unusable
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2021-10-28 18:26:34	noahmg123	Windows couldn't use it either, so it's clearly the card
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2021-10-28 18:26:34	SysGhost	Those combo cards aren't that weird. Just two devices onm the same
2021-10-28 18:26:34	noahmg123	probably a hardware issue, but was wondering if it could be fixed somehow (without needing to replace it)
2021-10-28 18:26:34	SysGhost	same bus*
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2021-10-28 18:26:34	SysGhost	Which card is it? model and maker?
2021-10-28 18:26:34	noahmg123	just a moment
2021-10-28 18:26:34	SysGhost	BRB... Gotta fetch something outside.
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2021-10-28 18:27:27	noahmg123	ok
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2021-10-28 18:30:30	⚡ 	SysGhost is back.. .again...
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2021-10-28 18:31:33	noahmg123	had to reboot to go into bios and re-enable the card but Linux still can't see it
2021-10-28 18:31:36	noahmg123	let me try again
2021-10-28 18:32:06	SysGhost	could be a case of power-cycling to get it detected.
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2021-10-28 18:32:55	noahmg123	Yeah, possibly
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2021-10-28 18:36:12	noahmg123	Oh wow, it may be truly dead this time. Can't get it to appear.
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2021-10-28 18:39:42	noahmg123	Would dmidecode show it at all? I see a disabled Ethernet device in that list.
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2021-10-28 18:40:21	noahmg123	Wait
2021-10-28 18:40:24	noahmg123	I'm dumb
2021-10-28 18:40:33	noahmg123	I was using the wrong BIOS setting
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2021-10-28 18:44:49	noahmg123	SysGhost: best I can see is "Intel Corporation Cannon Point-LP CNVi  [Wireless-AC]", I know there's a more specific mode number, but yeah
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2021-10-28 18:49:23	noahmg123	ok looking into it again, it appears that it could be a power issue
2021-10-28 18:49:43	SysGhost	what do lspci say?
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2021-10-28 18:51:29	SysGhost	to me more exact: lspci -k | grep -EA3 'Wireless-AC'
2021-10-28 18:51:56	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2021-10-28 18:51:57	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1375 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1374 normals)
2021-10-28 18:51:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-28 18:53:47	noahmg123	00:14.3 Network controller: Intel Corporation Cannon Point-LP CNVi [Wireless-AC] (rev 30)
2021-10-28 18:53:47	noahmg123		DeviceName: WLAN
2021-10-28 18:53:47	noahmg123		Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device 0034
2021-10-28 18:53:47	noahmg123		Kernel modules: iwlwifi
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2021-10-28 18:54:56	SysGhost	I see. the wifi is detected, and the proper kernel module is loaded. 
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2021-10-28 18:55:36	SysGhost	what do rfkill list say?
2021-10-28 18:55:41	SysGhost	use pastebin service
2021-10-28 18:55:44	SysGhost	!pastebin
2021-10-28 18:55:45	phrik	Pastebin.com is swamped with advertisements and random captchas. Malware found on pastebin.com has resulted in it being blocked for some users. It injects CRLF line-endings. Please, use something else. Use something sane like https://gist.github.com https://bpaste.net https://ix.io and see !ix for easy way to paste from a pipe
2021-10-28 18:55:57	SysGhost	!ix
2021-10-28 18:55:59	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
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2021-10-28 18:56:44	Fr0stBit	Anybody having Ryzen Zen 3 + amdgpu earlykms problems?
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2021-10-28 18:57:53	noahmg123	https://pastebin.com/fwezYUVJ
2021-10-28 18:57:54	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-nZg.txt
2021-10-28 18:57:54	phrik	Title: ID TYPE DEVICE SOFT HARD 1 wlan asus-wlan unb - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-10-28 18:58:51	SysGhost	and "ls -al /sys/class/net/"
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2021-10-28 19:01:50	noahmg123	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/rIjLVM6l/
2021-10-28 19:01:52	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
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2021-10-28 19:02:27	noahmg123	the wlp02s20f0u2 device is my USB adapter
2021-10-28 19:03:16	noahmg123	(also, fair warning, I did reboot in between running those commands, as I also tried the fix I found here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=246567 (didn't work)
2021-10-28 19:03:17	phrik	Title: [Solved] Wireless won't connect on kernel 5.1.x / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-10-28 19:03:50	noahmg123	wait, I was supposed to NOT use those options
2021-10-28 19:03:53	noahmg123	just a moment
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2021-10-28 19:08:25	noahmg123	ok that didn't work either
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2021-10-28 19:09:40	SysGhost	seems weird that the kernel module is laoded and rfkill even sees it. Yet there's no device. Your computer is haunted
2021-10-28 19:09:41	noahmg123	yeah it looks like the firmware crashes and basically kills it from the device list?
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2021-10-28 19:12:22	SysGhost	is it a lenovo computer?
2021-10-28 19:12:39	noahmg123	It's an Asus
2021-10-28 19:12:43	SysGhost	oh right
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2021-10-28 19:13:42	noahmg123	looking more into it online it appears that perhaps it doesn't receive enough power and then just shuts off? again, not sure, but the vague matches I've been finding seem to mention power management.
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2021-10-28 19:14:31	SysGhost	Maybe try something out anyway (It works on some lenovo computers to get "broken" wifi cards back alive). Shut down the computer, unplug chargers and remove the battery. Then hold down the power button for 20 seconds (that'll drain any capacitors). This kind of total power reset can help getting the wifi back.
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2021-10-28 19:16:28	noahmg123	hm, I might try that later (gotta be using this laptop for a bit). Are there any risks with this? Also, is there any article on it so I can read up on it?
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2021-10-28 19:18:05	SysGhost	is the battery built in? If so, look it up at ifixit
2021-10-28 19:18:57	SysGhost	one other thing that might help is a total bios setting reset. enter the BIOS/UEFI menu and perform a factory reset. 
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2021-10-28 19:19:24	SysGhost	also... does it work with other distributions?
2021-10-28 19:19:39	SysGhost	(jsut to rule out kernel regressions)
2021-10-28 19:20:16	noahmg123	SysGhost: Windows itself can't use it so it's definitely the card
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2021-10-28 19:20:30	SysGhost	right.
2021-10-28 19:21:01	noahmg123	I would assume that means the kernel wouldn't matter?
2021-10-28 19:21:07	SysGhost	likely
2021-10-28 19:21:43	SysGhost	poke it out. put another one in. Different model. Although Intel wifi's are usually pretty goodd
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2021-10-28 19:22:20	SysGhost	Beweare though. Some laptops utilise something rather nasty: whitelists. Which means only official hardware from the manufacturer will work.
2021-10-28 19:22:39	noahmg123	It's soldered to the motherboard afaik, not really wanting to replace it.
2021-10-28 19:22:50	SysGhost	ouch
2021-10-28 19:23:17	SysGhost	what as the computer model again?
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2021-10-28 19:23:39	noahmg123	There's a Intel microcode dump, but I'm pretty sure they don't open-source their microcode, so I can't make sense of it.
2021-10-28 19:23:47	noahmg123	As for model number that's actually tricky lol
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2021-10-28 19:24:32	noahmg123	Asus likes to do this thing where the chassis has a model number etched onto it, but then the board and all the internal components have another.
2021-10-28 19:24:45	SysGhost	chekc the extremely fine print underside it ;3 ... likely they've doen the "Apple" thing.
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2021-10-28 19:25:26	noahmg123	And as far as I'm aware it's 1-to-1, so idk why they do that, except to trivially inconvenience third-party repair
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2021-10-28 19:26:22	noahmg123	Give me a moment, I'll give you both
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2021-10-28 19:32:35	noahmg123	SysGhost: Chassis Model: Q536FD, Board Model: UX562FD
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2021-10-28 19:34:39	SysGhost	noahmg123: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Asus+Q534U+Wi-fi+card+Replacement/100883
2021-10-28 19:34:41	phrik	Title: Asus Q534U Wi-fi card Replacement - iFixit Repair Guide (at www.ifixit.com)
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2021-10-28 19:35:28	noahmg123	funny story on the model numbers, my previous laptop was an ASUS, and I opened it up and found an unused M.2 slot. so I called Asus to confirm it was that and what capacities it was rated for. guy straight-up told me the slot didn't exist on my chassis model. I gave him the board model number and he found it. So apparently, they have different internal service manuals.
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2021-10-28 19:35:50	SysGhost	How convenient that ifixit has a particular wifi card replacement guide on this. *hmmmmm* Not suspicious at all.
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2021-10-28 19:36:44	noahmg123	SysGhost: I see those pictures, and I recognize the WiFi card slot from my previous Asus model, but I seem to recall the one I have now does not have that
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2021-10-28 19:36:55	noahmg123	I haven't opened my computer in months though
2021-10-28 19:37:04	noahmg123	but I am fairly certain that's not it
2021-10-28 19:37:12	SysGhost	I see... Well.. Not much more than the battery reset trick left to try.
2021-10-28 19:37:14	noahmg123	I would have recognized it as removable
2021-10-28 19:37:24	noahmg123	when I saw it before*
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2021-10-28 19:37:45	noahmg123	SysGhost: do you have an article on the battery trick?
2021-10-28 19:38:07	SysGhost	Not really. I just know it works on lenovo laptops and some HP's
2021-10-28 19:38:27	SysGhost	sometimes the trick can help all kinds of odd issues
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2021-10-28 19:39:21	noahmg123	I'll look into it. But back to the microcode thing, do you know of any resources that help in the debugging of Intel microcode issues, or do those not really exist?
2021-10-28 19:40:30	SysGhost	debugging microcodes are ... well... not easy at all... if it'll even give anything that useful. What's the original problem on that?
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2021-10-28 19:43:44	noahmg123	These lines are in dmesg:
2021-10-28 19:43:54	noahmg123	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/oPGA6QJ4/
2021-10-28 19:43:55	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
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2021-10-28 19:44:31	noahmg123	There's an error code right there, I can see it. That isn't documented though, from what I can see.
2021-10-28 19:45:20	SysGhost	iirc, that code is when the device fails to respond on init. I.e. it doesn't power up or something browns out.
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2021-10-28 19:46:15	SysGhost	I've seen it on other actually broken iwlwifi cards. Could be that it means something else. but I have a vague memory on it
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2021-10-28 19:47:12	noahmg123	so does it mean it's a hardware problem?
2021-10-28 19:47:30	SysGhost	could be you need a total power reset. Could be bad ceramic caps (tiny SMD caps) on the motherboard. Could be a lot. Hardware issue for sure.
2021-10-28 19:48:15	SysGhost	I'm not sure though. So don't take my word for it.
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2021-10-28 19:48:58	SysGhost	I've ebay-searched your motherboard model. it's indeed a different revision with everything soldered on. Cheap bastards.
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2021-10-28 19:49:30	noahmg123	and by total power reset you mean the battery removal thing?
2021-10-28 19:49:52	SysGhost	yes
2021-10-28 19:49:52	noahmg123	ok, I may try that
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2021-10-28 20:32:50	vd	what is the maximum number of overlayfs layers?
2021-10-28 20:36:28	JBzh	greetings from my first Arch Linux installed system (proud :) ). Thanks again Namarrgon
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2021-10-28 21:01:17	heythere221	Hey people does anyone here have an optimus laptop with optimus-manager installed?
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2021-10-28 21:04:46	grazzolini	!give heythere221 anyone
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2021-10-28 21:04:46	phrik	heythere221: Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
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2021-10-28 21:06:58	heythere221	grazzolini: I'm encountering some very annoying errors with optimus-manager on shutdown. The message is failed to unmount oldroot and root watchdog did not stop... I managed to find out that it has to do with optimus-manager and the lastest systemd update...
2021-10-28 21:07:21	heythere221	This message started to occur since I updated systemd.
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2021-10-28 21:27:31	heythere221	grazzolini: Btw What "doensides" does your option have?
2021-10-28 21:29:12	grazzolini	heythere221: the nvidia card is always powered on. it's on a low performance level, but it's not the same as with bumblebee/optimus manager, where you turn it off at the acpi level. having said that, the power consumption of it on idle is not that much.
2021-10-28 21:31:35	heythere221	grazzolini: Okay thanks! Right power consumption is a thing... I gues I have to read more about it. Since I'm on a laptop the battery life is kinda important. Have to see what the difference in consumption will be.
2021-10-28 21:33:30	grazzolini	heythere221: on a laptop you should use your battery as little as possible. one thing to mention though, some of the newer cards will be on a lower performance level, which makes them consume basically the same amount of energy as if you did power them off via acpi/bbswitch.
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2021-10-28 22:10:34	arbitrandomuser	i'm having a weird issue ; the key combination alt+prtsc+ n does not work; i have checked with xev showkey an evet
2021-10-28 22:10:47	arbitrandomuser	...evtest 
2021-10-28 22:11:18	MacGyver	What are you expecting that to emit?
2021-10-28 22:11:28	arbitrandomuser	no keycode shows up when "n" is pressed 
2021-10-28 22:11:40	arbitrandomuser	something atleast 
2021-10-28 22:12:06	arbitrandomuser	nothing seems to turn up , it doesnt seem to recognize the number has been pressed if alt and prtsc are pressed
2021-10-28 22:12:13	arbitrandomuser	also only 5 and 6 work 
2021-10-28 22:12:24	arbitrandomuser	the rest of the numbers dont 
2021-10-28 22:12:33	arbitrandomuser	(when alt and prtsc are pressed)
2021-10-28 22:12:59	MacGyver	Sounds like it's using a matrix that cannot process those combinations.
2021-10-28 22:13:33	MacGyver	That, or magic sysrq is enabled and eating the combinations.
2021-10-28 22:13:46	arbitrandomuser	thats what i thought which is wierd since modern laptops should be able to handle this
2021-10-28 22:13:48	MacGyver	But then you'd see side effects.
2021-10-28 22:13:58	arbitrandomuser	but the issue persists on usb keyboards too
2021-10-28 22:14:12	arbitrandomuser	which work fine on other computers
2021-10-28 22:15:11	arbitrandomuser	MacGyver: if not trouble and you are on a laptop could you see if it is reproducible on your laptop ?
2021-10-28 22:15:25	MacGyver	No, because magic sysrq is enabled and I *would* see side effects.
2021-10-28 22:15:26	arbitrandomuser	or desktop too 
2021-10-28 22:15:31	arbitrandomuser	oh alright
2021-10-28 22:16:05	MacGyver	Also if it persists for external keyboards that otherwise work, you may want to check the journal or dmesg.
2021-10-28 22:16:15	MacGyver	Because that sounds like that might actually be the case for you as well.
2021-10-28 22:16:22	MacGyver	But then be careful what you test.
2021-10-28 22:16:40	MacGyver	Because there's a few you don't want to run without syncing the disks first.
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2021-10-28 22:49:21	heythere221	what does 'tear down the device state' mean?
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2021-10-28 23:29:53	inglor	Anyone use i3 and able to unlock gnome-keyring during login? 
2021-10-28 23:31:59	Jacki	k bye
2021-10-28 23:32:18	evilop	following the gnome keyring page on the wiki works fine
2021-10-28 23:32:24	evilop	eg if you use pam to unlock
2021-10-28 23:34:28	inglor	evilop: you mean this? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNOME/Keyring#xinitrc 
2021-10-28 23:34:30	phrik	Title: GNOME/Keyring - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-28 23:35:02	evilop	if you are using xinitrc
2021-10-28 23:35:18	negen	join /#archlinux-offtopic
2021-10-28 23:35:31	inglor	evilop: I'm using gdm + i3
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2021-10-29 00:04:56	Aryan	Hi
2021-10-29 00:05:32	Aryan	`uname -a` and `pacman -Q linux` differs
2021-10-29 00:05:56	mpan	Aryan: you haven’t restarted aftrer updating the kernel.
2021-10-29 00:06:02	Aryan	Is this a problematic?
2021-10-29 00:06:09	Aryan	Hmmm
2021-10-29 00:06:16	mpan	Aryan: unless you need to load kernel modules: no.
2021-10-29 00:06:45	Aryan	Actually i'm in a chroot environment ans didnt updatw the kernel
2021-10-29 00:06:52	mpan	For all practical purposes, considering the normal use of the system: most likely yes.
2021-10-29 00:07:41	susi	mine differs too :/
2021-10-29 00:07:57	mpan	susi: for the same reason, probably.
2021-10-29 00:08:11	susi	yeah I updated my kernel :) 
2021-10-29 00:08:38	susi	was just saying, that there are many of us!
2021-10-29 00:08:50	mpan	One, two, many…
2021-10-29 00:08:55	Velvet	dozens!
2021-10-29 00:09:38	Aryan	https://termbin.com/yuw79
2021-10-29 00:09:53	Aryan	This is the error i get when i type mkinitcpio
2021-10-29 00:10:30	Namarrgon	why are you typing "mkinitcpio"?
2021-10-29 00:11:58	Aryan	I dont know. My new installed machine wont boot and i'm just trying every command i know
2021-10-29 00:12:10	Namarrgon	great strategy
2021-10-29 00:12:16	NetSysFire	randomly trying commands isnt going to help
2021-10-29 00:12:20	NetSysFire	you need to debug this
2021-10-29 00:12:27	Aryan	Ah
2021-10-29 00:12:40	NetSysFire	so what happens when it doesnt boot?
2021-10-29 00:14:04	Aryan	https://imgbox.com/qOaj6RlD
2021-10-29 00:14:06	phrik	Title: imgbox - fast, simple image host (at imgbox.com)
2021-10-29 00:14:12	Aryan	NetSysFire: 
2021-10-29 00:14:34	NetSysFire	i cant resolve that, can you use a sane image host please?
2021-10-29 00:15:00	susi	it's ERROR: device UUID=xxx not found, drops to emergency shell
2021-10-29 00:15:08	NetSysFire	appears to be on the porn blocklist lol
2021-10-29 00:15:09	susi	root 404
2021-10-29 00:15:19	NetSysFire	make sure the uuid is correct
2021-10-29 00:15:23	NetSysFire	its easy to choose the wrong one
2021-10-29 00:15:54	Aryan	NetSysFire: that should be the uuid of my root partition? Or my ESP?
2021-10-29 00:16:18	susi	of your /
2021-10-29 00:16:22	Aryan	If it's root, then it's correct
2021-10-29 00:16:29	NetSysFire	as always, it depends
2021-10-29 00:16:39	NetSysFire	paste your lsblk -f somewhere
2021-10-29 00:16:46	NetSysFire	ideally when everything is decrypted already
2021-10-29 00:17:19	Aryan	Isn't because I used btrfs with home, var and / on the subvolumes?
2021-10-29 00:17:55	NetSysFire	paste your entire cmdline and btrfs info
2021-10-29 00:18:04	NetSysFire	i dont know if lsblk -f suffices because i never used btrfs
2021-10-29 00:22:31	Aryan	https://termbin.com/1u77
2021-10-29 00:22:41	Aryan	Heres lsblk
2021-10-29 00:23:53	susi	is it on LUSK?
2021-10-29 00:23:57	susi	LUKS*, crypted
2021-10-29 00:24:09	Aryan	No
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2021-10-29 00:24:26	susi	do you have 'btrfs' in your hooks, modules or binaries (under /etc/mkinitcpio.conf)
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2021-10-29 00:41:09	Aryan	susi: no i mean grub-install ...
2021-10-29 00:41:38	Scimmia	All that does is install grub to your ESP
2021-10-29 00:42:13	Aryan	Thanks all Scimmia susi :*
2021-10-29 00:42:40	Scimmia	np
2021-10-29 00:44:00	thursdaylark	Huh. Based on my inexperienced cursory reading of things, I think the block module is doing the right thing, but the autodetect module isn't picking it up: https://github.com/archlinux/mkinitcpio/blob/af957785cdebec0538bac4c717adb50d43e0390d/install/block#L31
2021-10-29 00:46:11	Scimmia	thursdaylark: in that case, the fallback intramfs should work?
2021-10-29 00:46:34	thursdaylark	I believe so
2021-10-29 00:46:58	Scimmia	thursdaylark: wait, I think the link you gave us unreleased
2021-10-29 00:47:14	thursdaylark	oh, yeah, that's master, and I didn't check
2021-10-29 00:47:18	thursdaylark	so probably
2021-10-29 00:47:40	thursdaylark	in that case, if this isn't in the current release, then the fallback won't work :P
2021-10-29 00:48:02	⚡ 	thingfish waits semi-patiently for GNOME 41.
2021-10-29 00:48:21	Scimmia	I think I remember thread on the forums where the fallback didn't work, but I could be misremembering
2021-10-29 00:51:05	thursdaylark	yeah, the add_checked_modules function should check for the specified module in the array that holds the results from the autodetect hook and add it to the image if true, or if autodetect isn't in use, add the module anyways. 
2021-10-29 00:51:46	thursdaylark	if the block hook didn't have anything about vmd in it beforehand, neither of those would happen
2021-10-29 00:52:05	thursdaylark	so no fallback, unfortunately :P
2021-10-29 00:56:29	thursdaylark	and yes, indeed this code isn't in the current release
2021-10-29 00:57:38	Aryan	Btw, shouldnt linux automatically detect nvme and load its module?
2021-10-29 00:58:37	Scimmia	it does, but it can't if the module doesn't exist, which it didn't in the initramfs
2021-10-29 00:58:39	thursdaylark	yes, that's why there's a fix for this issue in the next release
2021-10-29 00:59:00	Scimmia	it's only an issue on some specific Intel setups
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2021-10-29 01:31:13	Scimmia	and does loginctl list-sessions show multiple sessions?
2021-10-29 01:31:23	honkydonkydong	http://0x0.st/-nbq.txt
2021-10-29 01:32:19	Scimmia	so that should indeed be display :0
2021-10-29 01:33:13	honkydonkydong	SESSION  UID USER   SEAT  TTY 2 1000 jirido seat0 
2021-10-29 01:33:55	Scimmia	just the 1? hmm, I don't know what could be happening here
2021-10-29 01:34:37	rabbitnightmare	heller how is everyone tonight
2021-10-29 01:34:39	honkydonkydong	what is this protocol I keep hearing about?
2021-10-29 01:34:50	rabbitnightmare	I am trying to get sound working in vmware workstation and I get an error that the sound is out of range
2021-10-29 01:35:15	rabbitnightmare	I am running normal Arch with KDE Plasma latest
2021-10-29 01:35:16	Scimmia	I assume it's just the display protocol
2021-10-29 01:35:47	rabbitnightmare	its a nonissue since it isnt a mission critical system but I keep it around for testing
2021-10-29 01:35:51	rabbitnightmare	I would like sound to work
2021-10-29 01:36:51	rabbitnightmare	sound only seems to work in Windows VMs
2021-10-29 01:37:41	honkydonkydong	Im a bit worried to logout if it will fail all applications on login.. but then I will come buggering you from consol I guess.
2021-10-29 01:38:34	rabbitnightmare	oh well I suppose I will live without sound
2021-10-29 01:38:54	rabbitnightmare	no issue on metal
2021-10-29 01:38:57	rabbitnightmare	just in vmware
2021-10-29 01:39:52	VMGuy23	rabbitnightmare: check the output device the VM is using and compare it to the default output device,
2021-10-29 01:39:57	VMGuy23	*.
2021-10-29 01:41:23	rabbitnightmare	VMGuy23: if it were simple I wouldnt be asking about it
2021-10-29 01:41:37	rabbitnightmare	I have google too
2021-10-29 01:41:44	VMGuy23	ah
2021-10-29 01:42:02	andril	o/ all
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2021-10-29 03:06:15	susi	Namarrgon: it has never been a problem until this crash
2021-10-29 03:06:28	Namarrgon	what crash?
2021-10-29 03:06:36	susi	system crashed, and after that the locale's borked
2021-10-29 03:06:50	Namarrgon	shouldn't you have started with this?
2021-10-29 03:06:55	susi	I did
2021-10-29 03:07:22	susi	0400.13         susi : everything used to work, but now that I rebooted (after crash) no more
2021-10-29 03:07:25	Namarrgon	pacman -Qkk 1> /dev/null
2021-10-29 03:07:48	Namarrgon	that was a bit later than at the start
2021-10-29 03:07:58	Namarrgon	bhava: in what?
2021-10-29 03:08:07	bhava	nm
2021-10-29 03:08:14	Namarrgon	welcome to 2021 :P
2021-10-29 03:08:49	bhava	omg, already? ;p
2021-10-29 03:10:39	susi	what should I reinstall to get this working again, maybe I'll remove NoExtract for a second
2021-10-29 03:10:58	Namarrgon	susi: pacman -Qkk 1> /dev/null
2021-10-29 03:12:30	bhava	https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/604134/how-to-fix-missing-locale-files-on-manjaro   is that fix at the bottom worth trying?
2021-10-29 03:12:32	phrik	Title: arch linux - How to fix missing locale files on Manjaro? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
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2021-10-29 03:28:55	susi	reinstalling glibc helped to regenerate the locale
2021-10-29 03:29:04	Namarrgon	susi: is that the complete -Qkk output?
2021-10-29 03:29:17	susi	should be
2021-10-29 03:29:25	susi	complete with 1>/dev/null
2021-10-29 03:29:40	susi	but reinstalling glibc and then regenerating and that part's good now
2021-10-29 03:29:44	bhava	nice susi
2021-10-29 03:29:51	Namarrgon	glibc: 1578 total files, 282 altered files
2021-10-29 03:30:04	Namarrgon	but the errors/warnings are missing
2021-10-29 03:30:43	Namarrgon	also, that was without "1> /dev/null"
2021-10-29 03:30:53	susi	now it's 1578 total files, 0 altered :)
2021-10-29 03:31:52	susi	huh, almost quailed
2021-10-29 03:32:01	susi	little corruption here and there is fine, as long as it's usable ;)
2021-10-29 03:32:31	vd	hi there -- I've made the link described here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Iwd#Wireless_device_is_not_renamed_by_udev but wi-fi interface is still named "wlan0", not wlp61s0
2021-10-29 03:32:33	phrik	Title: iwd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-29 03:33:25	Namarrgon	vd: did you reboot after that?
2021-10-29 03:33:45	Namarrgon	once the interface is up it won't be renamed
2021-10-29 03:33:47	vd	Namarrgon: yes
2021-10-29 03:34:37	Namarrgon	ls -l /etc/systemd/network/80-iwd.link
2021-10-29 03:34:58	vd	Namarrgon: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Oct 28 21:27 /etc/systemd/network/80-iwd.link -> /dev/null
2021-10-29 03:36:16	susi	wish one could enable only specific magic sysrq's
2021-10-29 03:36:24	susi	combinations
2021-10-29 03:36:39	Namarrgon	that is exactly what you can do
2021-10-29 03:38:01	Namarrgon	vd: you don't have an mkinitcpio hooks that set up the network in the initramfs, right?
2021-10-29 03:38:11	susi	I know only how to either enable or disable it
2021-10-29 03:38:38	vd	Namarrgon: this I don't know. How can I tell?
2021-10-29 03:38:59	Namarrgon	post your mkinitcpio.conf
2021-10-29 03:39:10	Namarrgon	but if you don't remember setting it up then you probably don't use any
2021-10-29 03:39:48	susi	hmm, so I can set the value to something which limits the combinations, cool
2021-10-29 03:41:16	vd	Namarrgon: MODULES, BINARIES and FILES are empty and HOOKS contains: base udev autodetect keyboard keymap consolefont modconf block encrypt lvm2 resume filesystems keyboard fsck
2021-10-29 03:44:34	Namarrgon	vd: what's in /proc/cmdline?
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2021-10-29 05:06:46	dragestil	Hello, a rather basic question: I just built a binary on another machine. How do I make it work in an Arch system? the arch is the same (x86-64) on two systems. Do i need to package it?
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2021-10-29 05:26:00	noahmg123	holy shit, I was actually able to get my wifi card in a semi-usable state?
2021-10-29 05:26:17	noahmg123	it's still finnicky, but there appears to be progress
2021-10-29 05:38:44	hejux	touch test ; sudo chown root:wheel test ; rm -f test  this got be interesting 
2021-10-29 05:38:45	espresso	dragestil: my pleasure. faster build? if using gcc or clang, may like https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Ccache
2021-10-29 05:38:47	phrik	Title: ccache - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-29 05:39:18	hejux	touch test ; sudo chown root:root test ; rm -f test , a user can delete a file owned by root?
2021-10-29 05:40:27	noahmg123	SysGhost: not sure if you're still on but I got it working.... somehow. It's still somewhat broken (Bluetooth isn't working) but WiFi is.
2021-10-29 05:41:26	noahmg123	A power cycle for the specific device (twice) apparently did the trick.
2021-10-29 05:41:46	dragestil	espresso: thanks. the thing i want to build is emacs. there's an aur pkgbuild, but it runs make https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=emacs-git
2021-10-29 05:41:48	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-10-29 05:42:07	noahmg123	Scared to do it again to see if I can get Bluetooth to work, but I may try that
2021-10-29 05:42:58	dragestil	i'd like to run make on another machine and package it for the arch system. perhaps i can find an answer after reading about creating packages
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2021-10-29 06:02:49	noahmg123	Dang, ok Bluetooth is working now
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2021-10-29 06:36:48	honkydonkydong	so.. http://0x0.st/-ncS.txt
2021-10-29 06:37:38	honkydonkydong	I use ssh over a pad that has resolve, so it is slow for some reason
2021-10-29 06:41:19	grawity	well, it says your "ipv6 leak protection" thingy has claimed DNS handling for all domains
2021-10-29 06:41:27	grawity	the hell is that garbage, anyway?
2021-10-29 06:48:45	honkydonkydong	grawity: I do not know
2021-10-29 06:49:18	honkydonkydong	is this some default setting because I have surely not enaled it?
2021-10-29 06:49:39	honkydonkydong	enable*
2021-10-29 06:49:54	honkydonkydong	enabled*
2021-10-29 06:50:20	grawity	certainly doesn't sound like one
2021-10-29 06:50:30	grawity	it may be a leftover of some VPN app that you used
2021-10-29 06:50:48	grawity	it's something that kinda makes sense for a VPN app to set up alongside the real tunnel interface
2021-10-29 06:51:03	honkydonkydong	yeahhh that is what I have suspected all the time
2021-10-29 06:51:18	honkydonkydong	so how do I find it?
2021-10-29 06:51:22	grawity	but right now there *is* no VPN tunnel interface shown there -- as soon as you disconnected the VPN, the "ipv6leak" thing should have been torn down together with it
2021-10-29 06:51:30	grawity	find what? the VPN app or what
2021-10-29 06:52:08	honkydonkydong	It has been fu**ing around with me for months..the left over setting..
2021-10-29 06:53:22	grawity	well, for now try `nmcli con down pvpn-ipv6leak-protection` or if that doesn't help then `ip link del ipv6leakintrf0`
2021-10-29 06:53:29	honkydonkydong	I had and used some different vpn apps some months ago.. but I do not run them now
2021-10-29 06:53:30	grawity	but this might be just a temporary fix
2021-10-29 06:53:50	honkydonkydong	ok
2021-10-29 06:53:53	Betal	what is the pam command to unlock after 3 failed attempt, so I dont need to wait 10 minutes
2021-10-29 06:54:00	honkydonkydong	you are a wizard
2021-10-29 06:54:11	rcf	If you're lucky it's just hiding in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections or the like 
2021-10-29 06:54:27	honkydonkydong	lol
2021-10-29 06:54:42	honkydonkydong	a little spotty bug
2021-10-29 06:54:46	grawity	nmcli con del pvpn-ipv6leak-protection
2021-10-29 06:54:56	grawity	Betal: faillock --unlock, or something like that
2021-10-29 06:55:14	grawity	Betal: tbh just set 'deny = 0' in /etc/security/faillock.conf
2021-10-29 06:57:56	Betal	grawity: thanks \o/
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2021-10-29 07:37:53	mrkirby153	I'm assuming glibc 2.34 isn't available in the core reops atm because stuff is prone to breakage?
2021-10-29 07:39:59	rcf	mrkirby153: either that, or they just haven't gotten around to it yet. For proper confirmation build it yourself (or attempt to) 
2021-10-29 07:40:43	rcf	But generally that is the one package you really, really need to not be broken. 
2021-10-29 07:41:19	mrkirby153	Ye, I wasn't super interested in doing that, was just triaging a bug that only affects glibc 2.34 and figured since arch was still running 2.33 its not really used by many people
2021-10-29 07:41:31	noahmg123	damn, ok that didn't last long
2021-10-29 07:41:37	mrkirby153	usually arch is pretty on top of keeping packages up to date w/ upstream
2021-10-29 07:42:17	noahmg123	final update, the wifi card died again and now it's being finicky again, so I should probably chalk it up to hardware failure
2021-10-29 07:42:30	rcf	mrkirby153: well in that case further breakage is a viable explanation given that you've seen it yourself. 
2021-10-29 07:42:47	rcf	Or at least one report of it 
2021-10-29 07:43:20	mrkirby153	Yep https://github.com/electron/electron/pull/31091
2021-10-29 07:43:34	mrkirby153	was curious if we needed to update electron asap
2021-10-29 07:43:42	mrkirby153	considering, its probably not super important
2021-10-29 07:44:10	rcf	If the new one is in testing there may be corresponding bug reports on the arch tracker 
2021-10-29 07:44:15	rcf	(the new glibc that is) 
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2021-10-29 09:20:04	grawity	"HID-based", as opposed to CDC-based, kinda sounds like it was meant to be used with special software and not as a generic serial port?
2021-10-29 09:21:01	grawity	HID is what manufacturers tend to use for "driverless" custom devices
2021-10-29 09:21:34	jancoow	grawity mmh. Ye, i've dived in it a bit more but the software "sigrok" should be able to communicate direct with this device
2021-10-29 09:21:38	jancoow	unable to get it working tho
2021-10-29 09:21:58	grawity	try to temporarily `chmod` /dev/hidraw3 so that you'd get rw access
2021-10-29 09:22:29	heythere221	I removed optimus-manager. Is it safe to delete the following directories: /var/lib/systemd/coredump/core.optimus-manager.1000.1fc979c39c84438bae7338e1bad57bdf.773.1635438935000000.zst and ./var/lib/optimus-manager ?
2021-10-29 09:22:40	jancoow	grawity lemme try that!
2021-10-29 09:23:07	grawity	I see sigrok has HID serial support https://sigrok.org/gitweb/?p=libsigrok.git;a=blob;f=README.devices#l163
2021-10-29 09:23:09	phrik	Title: sigrok.org Git - libsigrok.git/blob - README.devices (at sigrok.org)
2021-10-29 09:23:19	jancoow	grawity yep exactly
2021-10-29 09:23:35	grawity	right so it doesn't *need* to be recognized as a serial port Linux-wide
2021-10-29 09:23:43	jancoow	exactly :D
2021-10-29 09:23:54	jancoow	so no driver needed theoretically 
2021-10-29 09:23:56	grawity	if chmod helps post `udevadm info /dev/hidraw3`
2021-10-29 09:23:59	jancoow	sigrok figured out the hid device itself
2021-10-29 09:24:21	jancoow	but no chmod does not help 
2021-10-29 09:24:37	grawity	so what is sigrok saying about it?
2021-10-29 09:25:09	jancoow	grawity this is the output"
2021-10-29 09:25:10	jancoow	https://es.jancokock.me/98479/
2021-10-29 09:25:54	grawity	ah yes, it already has uaccess (probably from udev rule provided by sigrok)
2021-10-29 09:26:46	jancoow	they provide a script to get it out of suspend, but I read this is not needed anymore with the libhid sigrok is using nowadays
2021-10-29 09:30:28	jancoow	it should work with the uni-t-ut61e driver of sigrok but unfortinally it doesnt
2021-10-29 09:30:32	jancoow	neither on my arch laptop :(
2021-10-29 09:31:30	avN0	good morning everyone
2021-10-29 09:31:54	rcf	!politewelcome
2021-10-29 09:31:55	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux - How can we help you?
2021-10-29 09:43:15	endre	!welcome
2021-10-29 09:43:15	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2021-10-29 09:43:18	endre	<3
2021-10-29 09:43:23	NetSysFire	!welcomerpg
2021-10-29 09:43:24	phrik	Greetings, observer of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get borked on this day?
2021-10-29 09:44:42	Velvet	lol
2021-10-29 09:44:46	Velvet	xD
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2021-10-29 10:35:03	phos	excellent XD
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2021-10-29 11:05:40	thurstylark	So, just as a sanity check: If I make a rw snapshot of a btrfs subvol, and then delete some content from the source subvol, that content should remain accessible in full in the snapshot subvol, correct?
2021-10-29 11:12:53	thurstylark	actually, thinking about it, that's the whole fuckin point of snapshots, I'm just running it around in my head too much and making myself paranoid :P
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2021-10-29 12:07:05	Khorne	As long as the volume you take the snapshot from exists, yes
2021-10-29 12:13:53	nns	sunyibo: "permission denied" indicates that whatever process is running virt-manager (or libvirt) does not have access to that iso
2021-10-29 12:14:08	thurstylark	yeah, this is just shifting snapshots around. Nothing about the fs or devices is being changed in this situation
2021-10-29 12:14:14	thurstylark	er
2021-10-29 12:14:20	thurstylark	s/snapshots/subvols/
2021-10-29 12:14:35	nns	sunyibo: try moving the iso somewhere more accessible 
2021-10-29 12:14:49	thurstylark	even though that's a bit fuzzy in btrfs land anyways :P
2021-10-29 12:15:01	nns	and make sure the permissions are at least 0644 on the iso
2021-10-29 12:15:05	nns	via chmod
2021-10-29 12:15:11	nns	chmod 644 *.iso
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2021-10-29 12:56:44	koppeh	Hi everyone. I have a little thing that is bothering me. I was working on a Godot game and tried to test it on this laptop I'm on right now. Turns out my touchpad is somehow recognized as controller input (and as such causes keyboard input to be ignored).
2021-10-29 12:57:43	koppeh	I've also noticed the issue with the game Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead, so I know it's not just an issue with Godot.
2021-10-29 12:58:20	koppeh	Finally, I tried disabling the touchpad altogether using:
2021-10-29 12:58:22	koppeh	xinput --disable "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
2021-10-29 12:59:34	koppeh	And as expected it does disable the touchpad working as a mouse, but it does not prevent those "controller" inputs. I'm not sure which device it is that sends these events. Tried disabling others with no effect.
2021-10-29 13:00:39	Namarrgon	what else does 'xinput' report?
2021-10-29 13:02:09	Namarrgon	some laptops have accelerometers built in that can get recognized as "joystick"
2021-10-29 13:04:14	koppeh	It's not an accelerometer, it happens specifically when interacting with the touchpad. Like, simply touching down on the touch surface, it sends a "button 0" event - something different from a mouse click.
2021-10-29 13:04:50	Namarrgon	but you said that it still happens after your disable the touchpad
2021-10-29 13:05:04	Namarrgon	*you
2021-10-29 13:06:09	nns	can you do a `xinput --list --long` and post a paste here?
2021-10-29 13:06:11	nns	!paste
2021-10-29 13:06:11	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-10-29 13:07:38	koppeh	Here you go: https://gist.github.com/copygirl/c30afea8e72fda9c1614035371a7dba8
2021-10-29 13:08:31	koppeh	Namarrgon: Yeah so presumably there is another device handling touchpad on a hardware level..?
2021-10-29 13:08:50	Namarrgon	have you tried to disable the wacom devices?
2021-10-29 13:09:16	arojas	The-Compiler: do you know if the syscall changes in 5.15.7 obsolete the glibc 2.33 patch? The changes don't exactly match
2021-10-29 13:09:18	nns	holy shit copygirl
2021-10-29 13:09:22	nns	oh my god
2021-10-29 13:09:29	nns	i didn't realise it was you
2021-10-29 13:10:21	koppeh	Oh, apologies. I identified but didn't change nicks. Am I, like, famous? :o
2021-10-29 13:10:44	nns	i'm in a video of yours where you showcase portals in mc 0.30
2021-10-29 13:10:45	arojas	ah nevermind, wasn't looking at the right commit
2021-10-29 13:10:58	nns	but aaanyways yeah, maybe it's the wacom devices?
2021-10-29 13:11:03	arojas	looks like they do \o/
2021-10-29 13:11:12	copygirl	Namarrgon: That's the next thing I tried, yeah. I didn't attempt to do the same to any devices under the keyboard though - worried I would have to restart due to not being able to type.
2021-10-29 13:11:49	copygirl	Haha those were the good days. Crappy custom Minecraft that could at most handle 6 people.
2021-10-29 13:11:58	copygirl	custom Minecraft server*
2021-10-29 13:13:24	nns	that must've been like, what, a decade ago
2021-10-29 13:13:37	copygirl	Oh, there is the xinput thing to print input events - I can see which device they come from that way. What was it again?
2021-10-29 13:13:42	The-Compiler	arojas: I assume this one? https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/qt5-webengine/trunk/qt5-webengine-glibc-2.33.patch
2021-10-29 13:13:44	copygirl	Yeah a literal decade.
2021-10-29 13:13:52	nns	copygirl, xev?
2021-10-29 13:14:00	copygirl	Mhm let me look into that.
2021-10-29 13:14:31	The-Compiler	arojas: IIRC that was about fstatat(), and 5.15.7 indeed contains https://codereview.qt-project.org/c/qt/qtwebengine-chromium/+/374232 which mentions fstatat too
2021-10-29 13:14:34	nns	actually i think one's built into xinput itself
2021-10-29 13:14:38	nns	`xinput test-xi2 --root`
2021-10-29 13:15:20	nns	"xev and xinput test don't show you touch events while xinput test-xi2 does."
2021-10-29 13:15:51	The-Compiler	arojas: actually, the commit message says "Bug: 1164975" and https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1904652 linked in the patch leads to the same bug
2021-10-29 13:15:51	copygirl	They're not touch inputs. They're controller inputs.
2021-10-29 13:15:53	phrik	Title: 1904652 – Falkon does not render text in some websites (at bugzilla.redhat.com)
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2021-10-29 13:36:49	nns	copygirl, there's a section on that in the readme
2021-10-29 13:44:32	copygirl	nns: Thank you!
2021-10-29 13:45:07	copygirl	So yeah it's the touch pad that is recognized as a controller.
2021-10-29 13:45:55	NetSysFire	you can use jstest to test joysticks
2021-10-29 13:45:58	copygirl	And once again disabling the device does not do anything as far as the controller input going through.
2021-10-29 13:46:09	NetSysFire	jstest /dev/input/js0 i think
2021-10-29 13:46:15	copygirl	I tried but I don't have a device that I can pass to it that it accepts
2021-10-29 13:46:21	copygirl	No js* devices
2021-10-29 13:47:13	copygirl	https://github.com/denilsonsa/pygame-joystick-test/ is what I used to do the testing.
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2021-10-29 14:05:35	andril	o/ all
2021-10-29 14:25:13	endre	!politewelcome
2021-10-29 14:25:14	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux - How can we help you?
2021-10-29 14:35:57	usrnamewastaken	so... stupid question.. How do you even switch your KDE Session to wayland?
2021-10-29 14:36:41	nns	there should be an option for it in your display manager (the login screen)
2021-10-29 14:36:50	nns	a cog or whatnot
2021-10-29 14:37:14	nns	and it should have options to run Plasma in explicitly either X11 or Wayland
2021-10-29 14:37:30	thurstylark	just skip the guessing step and ask what DE they're using :P
2021-10-29 14:37:51	nns	DE is KDE obviously :D
2021-10-29 14:38:08	thurstylark	s/DE/DM/
2021-10-29 14:41:30	LordRishav	usrnamewastaken: Install plasma-wayland-session, logout and select "Plasma (Wayland)" if you're using a Login Manager. If not, do startplasma-wayland in a tty
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2021-10-29 15:02:47	Scimmia	sdisavona: iirc, there's no such thing. You can set your ssh_config to load them, but that's not something that upstream ships
2021-10-29 15:03:47	sdisavona	@Scimmia I just wanted to know, since debian has an Include for that and I was wondering if it was a downstream addition.
2021-10-29 15:04:07	sdisavona	https://salsa.debian.org/ssh-team/openssh/commit/cb37f2bf1b8576863448555af5c5309a6c220785
2021-10-29 15:04:15	Scimmia	sdisavona: if you see something in Debian, always assume it's a downstream modification until you verify
2021-10-29 15:04:26	thurstylark	why not just ask in #debian if that was a downstream addition?
2021-10-29 15:04:35	thurstylark	instead of trying to confirm the negative
2021-10-29 15:05:12	nns	`Include /etc/ssh/ssh_config.d/*` can be added to the default config file, otherwise it doesn't load it automatically
2021-10-29 15:05:20	nns	ie the default config does not ship with that directive
2021-10-29 15:05:22	thurstylark	also, this line is all you need https://salsa.debian.org/ssh-team/openssh/commit/cb37f2bf1b8576863448555af5c5309a6c220785#462cf96fff96abd8901f381fee6b0bf640aa2f41_105_109
2021-10-29 15:05:50	sdisavona	thurstylark because I use arch and I couldn't find any trace of it. Your point makes absolute sense, it's just that historically I've more positive events with arch.
2021-10-29 15:06:50	sdisavona	@thurstylark I know I only need that Include, I was just wondering about openssh from arch Core.
2021-10-29 15:07:18	sdisavona	Question answered.
2021-10-29 15:07:41	thurstylark	Don't see any relevant patches: https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/tree/packages/openssh/trunk
2021-10-29 15:10:18	thurstylark	yech the majority of that debian patch is dealing with shoving this setup in the upstream docs...
2021-10-29 15:10:42	⚡ 	thurstylark doesn't like much debian flavor with his openssh
2021-10-29 15:13:53	go4godvin	Is it normal to have a GeckoMain process when running Firefox with WebRender ?
2021-10-29 15:18:26	jkc	go4godvin: Gecko is the Firefox JS engine, so yes.
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2021-10-29 16:06:47	Tom^	jkc: easily fixed, reduce the content processes to 1
2021-10-29 16:06:53	Tom^	or what its called nowadays
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2021-10-29 16:44:52	arseru	this is how it looks like before the timeout from htop https://i.imgur.com/IBQ2rT8.png and this when it finally opens https://i.imgur.com/G4qrzIW.png
2021-10-29 16:51:38	Namarrgon	arseru: if you open it a second time it is faster?
2021-10-29 16:54:10	arseru	Namarrgon: yes, that's from a 2nd execution https://bpa.st/3UTA . It only happens the first time on each boot
2021-10-29 16:54:11	phrik	Title: View paste 3UTA (at bpa.st)
2021-10-29 16:54:42	arseru	The diff is in this `Error calling StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop: Timeout was reached`
2021-10-29 16:54:51	arseru	a 25 seconds timeout
2021-10-29 16:59:42	somlis	arseru: sounds similar to this https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki#gtk-applications-take-20-seconds-to-start 
2021-10-29 17:02:18	arseru	somlis: isn't that related to wayland? I'm using xorg
2021-10-29 17:03:46	somlis	sway and i3 is not the same. true. could still be this user service. i had this service failing before on sway.
2021-10-29 17:04:56	somlis	any failed services? "systemctl --user list-units --state=failed" if not then it's something else.
2021-10-29 17:07:59	arseru	somlis: I forgot to check that, thanks! but no, 0 loaded units listed in there
2021-10-29 17:13:00	arseru	Namarrgon: should I install xdg-desktop-portal-gtk ?
2021-10-29 17:13:09	somlis	arseru: It sounded so similar. i think that was the "fix" my issue with slow starting apps. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=224787 
2021-10-29 17:13:10	phrik	Title: Gnome applications slow start due to failing services / Applications & Desktop Environments / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-10-29 17:13:38	Namarrgon	arseru: you can try
2021-10-29 17:13:50	Namarrgon	do you have any other gui filemanagers installed? thunar perhaps?
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2021-10-29 17:30:38	susi	hmm, ttf-iosevka-term seems to have changed a lot from v4.3 -> 10.3.4 :o
2021-10-29 17:31:27	susi	had to back down, because I don't think it was just configuration issues, seemed to be less suitable for size=8 on my terminal.. or maybe just conf issues
2021-10-29 17:31:44	susi	but it actually looked very different too
2021-10-29 17:38:52	arseru	Could it maybe be related to this line I found running `loginctl session-status`? `QStandardPaths: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set, defaulting to '/tmp/runtime-root'`
2021-10-29 17:42:57	nns	arseru: yo, try running these:
2021-10-29 17:43:14	Scimmia	arseru: are you running all of these as root?
2021-10-29 17:43:39	arseru	Scimmia: no, with my user
2021-10-29 17:43:46	arseru	nns: which ones?
2021-10-29 17:43:59	nns	systemctl --user import-environment DISPLAY WAYLAND_DISPLAY
2021-10-29 17:44:00	nns	and
2021-10-29 17:44:12	nns	dbus-update-activation-environment --systemd DISPLAY WAYLAND_DISPLAY
2021-10-29 17:44:46	nns	arseru: sorry, was finding the correct document
2021-10-29 17:47:31	yans	hi
2021-10-29 17:47:34	nns	hello
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2021-10-29 18:02:30	arseru	somlis: doesn't work , I tried setting it in .xinitrc
2021-10-29 18:02:54	arseru	well I have to go now, thanks so much for all your help folks, I'll be back! :)
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2021-10-29 18:35:57	carbolymer	what creates symlink in in /etc/systemd/system/timers.target.wants? I have timer which vanishes after system reboot
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2021-10-29 18:44:24	damarusama	when I >recordmydesktop it only save the first minute of the video - there are no error on the output file creation... and no error when playing it
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2021-10-29 18:46:10	damarusama	anyone had the same issue? are there other command line cmd that would replace recordmydesktop ?
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2021-10-29 18:46:46	damarusama	hum it's stops at 13mb size max.... all of my recording
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2021-10-29 18:47:57	concrete-houses	I killed install of chromium with pacman
2021-10-29 18:48:03	concrete-houses	and I now can't resume
2021-10-29 18:48:07	concrete-houses	what should I do?
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2021-10-29 18:48:20	damarusama	concrete-houses: what error message do you get?
2021-10-29 18:48:22	concrete-houses	error: failed retrieving file 'chromium-95.0.4638.69-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst' from mirror.osbeck.com : HTTP server doesn't seem to support byte ranges. Cannot resume
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2021-10-29 18:48:42	thrice	carbolymer: systemctl usually, with "enable"
2021-10-29 18:50:06	NetSysFire	concrete-houses: remove the package from /var/cache/pacman/pkg and try again i'd say
2021-10-29 18:50:14	damarusama	^
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2021-10-29 18:51:55	kib	I want to do this - if I'm not connected to bluetooth device - auto connect to X device with bluetoothctl. Im thinking "stuff here || bluetoothctl blah blah" what should I put in place of the "stuff here"?
2021-10-29 18:52:35	concrete-houses	nice that seems to enable progress
2021-10-29 18:52:38	concrete-houses	:)
2021-10-29 18:52:49	concrete-houses	work is so displeasing where I don't get to use arch
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2021-10-29 18:53:03	concrete-houses	other linux is soo cringe
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2021-10-29 18:58:16	Tom^	concrete-houses: just install arch on work computer then.
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2021-10-29 18:58:55	thrice	being arch elitist is even more cringe
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2021-10-29 19:00:09	kib	thrice: you know what's based though? telling me how I can solve the question I posted 😉
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2021-10-29 19:01:02	concrete-houses	being an elitist is only cringe for something less best
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2021-10-29 19:01:28	concrete-houses	arch is slightly less pain that freebsd so it wins and way less pain that deart or urbung2
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2021-10-29 19:01:39	concrete-houses	deadrat that is
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2021-10-29 19:02:02	concrete-houses	java to me is cringe
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2021-10-29 19:05:16	concrete-houses	pixz won my multi core compession shootout
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2021-10-29 19:05:22	concrete-houses	wow its awesome
2021-10-29 19:05:27	concrete-houses	anyone know one better?
2021-10-29 19:05:48	concrete-houses	I am stunned when I saw how much ocaml stuff there is out there inclusing web frameowrks
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2021-10-29 19:05:58	concrete-houses	wow it must be used a lot in europe or something?
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2021-10-29 19:06:29	concrete-houses	picolisp.com and happstack.com look awesome as well as swi prolog web server and www.aidaweb.si and of course werc-cat-v.org
2021-10-29 19:06:38	concrete-houses	so many cool software to learn!!
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2021-10-29 19:41:17	jenkins	how do I configure gnome-keyring so that it works wit mysql-workbench? When I try to store a password I get "Could not store password: Object does not exist at path "/org/freedesktop/secrets/collection/login" 
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2021-10-29 19:57:20	zbe	jenkins, unrelated, but can you check if workbench dumps core when you exit it
2021-10-29 19:57:42	jenkins	zbe: doesn't seem
2021-10-29 19:58:52	zbe	You can check with journalctl -f
2021-10-29 19:59:21	jenkins	no core dumps
2021-10-29 19:59:27	zbe	Anyway, dunno for keyring :p Took me long enough to figure I need to install it to be able to connect
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2021-10-29 20:15:54	damarusama	so my recordmydesktop fill in the /tmp/ folder really quickly
2021-10-29 20:16:10	damarusama	it uses 500mb per few second of recording
2021-10-29 20:16:32	damarusama	since I have only 4gb of /tmp/ I can't record more than 1.5 minutes
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2021-10-29 20:16:48	thrice	does it not let you change the save-to directory?
2021-10-29 20:17:39	damarusama	I could change the tmp directory for sure, but at 4gb a minutes of recording it will be filling really quickly
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2021-10-29 20:17:59	MacGyver	The suggestion is you record to a disk.
2021-10-29 20:18:04	MacGyver	Yes it will need to be a fast disk.
2021-10-29 20:18:09	evilop	not really
2021-10-29 20:18:22	MacGyver	Oh, 500MB per *few* seconds of recording.
2021-10-29 20:18:23	evilop	even an old 5k4 spinner is fast enough
2021-10-29 20:18:36	MacGyver	Then yeah.
2021-10-29 20:18:38	evilop	tip: don't use mpeg2
2021-10-29 20:18:39	MacGyver	Just record to a disk.
2021-10-29 20:18:41	damarusama	yeah - it takes 4gb for a 1.5 minute video
2021-10-29 20:18:52	MacGyver	And use some sane encoding.
2021-10-29 20:19:00	thrice	or change the quality?
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2021-10-29 20:19:18	evilop	what screen res are you capturing?
2021-10-29 20:19:21	demonicmaniac	maybe hes recording 4k240hz
2021-10-29 20:19:25	damarusama	ok I never had to change the encoding ... 
2021-10-29 20:19:52	MacGyver	If you end op with 4GiB for 1.5 minutes of video, you need to change the encoding.
2021-10-29 20:20:02	damarusama	I just use the recordmydesktop without changing the basic setting
2021-10-29 20:20:23	thrice	well, change it
2021-10-29 20:20:26	MacGyver	Yes. So change it.
2021-10-29 20:20:29	thrice	lol
2021-10-29 20:20:31	damarusama	hehehe
2021-10-29 20:21:30	damarusama	what I mean is that I have used recordmy desktop a lot and since last week it's behaving differently... I'll check into the video quality
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2021-10-29 20:23:08	post-factum	!paste
2021-10-29 20:23:09	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2021-10-29 20:31:40	damarusama	!reboot
2021-10-29 20:31:41	phrik	To save yourself some time, reboot your computer in the background using `systemctl reboot &`
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2021-10-29 21:01:25	Linkandzelda	hi, anyone using deeping-screen-recorder to record video of the screen? if so, how can i get it to pick up system sound? alternatively, anyone knows of a quick screen recorder (1 but shortcut) to start recording a selection of the screen which also picks up system sound?
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2021-10-29 22:08:08	evilop	also you might have to  play with setting up a monitor channel in pulse/pipe
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2021-10-29 22:14:02	plainoldcheese	hi, I have a windows data drive (not C:) that I would like to mount at startup i have it kind of working but when i run ls -l it shows the user is root for all the files and directories, is this normal?
2021-10-29 22:14:28	VMGuy23	yeah, i think so
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2021-10-29 22:15:02	plainoldcheese	ok and is it fine to just use "defaults" in fstab for permissions or is there anything else i should add?
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2021-10-29 22:15:20	teraflops	yes unless you mount it with uid/gid
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2021-10-29 22:15:40	teraflops	it's in the wiki, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NTFS-3G#Linux_compatible_permissions
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2021-10-29 22:15:42	phrik	Title: NTFS-3G - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-29 22:16:14	plainoldcheese	i am just using ntfs not ntfs-3g, should i rather use ntfs-3g?
2021-10-29 22:16:50	teraflops	imo ntfs-3g performs better and has more functionalities
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2021-10-29 22:17:07	mefistofeles	hey, any ideas why pacman is not showing the actual progress in the progress bar? It just jumps from 0 to 100% eventually
2021-10-29 22:17:09	plainoldcheese	thanks Ill try that out and reboot to see what's up
2021-10-29 22:17:13	Namarrgon	like the capability of actually writing to the fs
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2021-10-29 22:17:39	evilop	new ntfs driver which is coming "soon" seems to be quite a bit nicer
2021-10-29 22:17:39	Namarrgon	mefistofeles: there were recently one or two bugreports about that
2021-10-29 22:17:43	teraflops	mefistofeles: stop using quantum computers!
2021-10-29 22:17:53	mefistofeles	haha
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2021-10-30 10:06:59	Franciman	Hello, what's your favourite way to load non-signed kernel modules? (I am testing a patch I am writing on ath10k, so I have to reload it)
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2021-10-30 11:02:39	ℹ 	cowgirl es conocido ahora como mara
2021-10-30 11:02:46	ℹ 	mara es conocido ahora como cowgirl
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2021-10-30 11:43:20	kuhilas	ok I fixed it setting the monitors in a config file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ 
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2021-10-30 12:54:32	leonixyz	Hello, I have a standard ext4 partition on an unencrypted disk. I would like to be able to create a password protected encrypted file on that partition, and then mount the file somewhere. I would like to write inside that mounted directory anything I want to store encrypted. The file should be able to grow with its content. What do you suggest to look at?
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2021-10-30 12:59:34	gloomy	Hey, how do I interpret having almost no free memory but htop only showing about 20% cumulative memory usage (when summing the mem column)?
2021-10-30 13:00:23	Namarrgon	leonixyz: that's easy except for the auto-size part
2021-10-30 13:00:34	Namarrgon	gloomy: how do you know that you have almost no free memory?
2021-10-30 13:00:58	gloomy	output of free: https://gist.github.com/7cfb519f4e4a2a76696a31e577a1f1c2
2021-10-30 13:01:06	gloomy	(htop/top report similar numbers)
2021-10-30 13:01:26	gloomy	(and the system is janky and unresponsive as you'd expect in low memory situations)
2021-10-30 13:01:31	Namarrgon	do htop/top show the kernel threads?
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2021-10-30 13:02:37	Namarrgon	you have 130GB swap?
2021-10-30 13:03:03	gloomy	I think so, but they all have 0 memory/cpu
2021-10-30 13:03:33	gloomy	Yes, had to do some heavy scientific computations and I needed that amount
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2021-10-30 13:04:52	leonixyz	Namarrgon: If I had to choose, instead of auto-size, a fixed size file, what would you choose as filesystem/encryption? can i use dm-crypt on a plain file?
2021-10-30 13:05:16	Namarrgon	leonixyz: yes, you cna use dmcrypt on a plain file
2021-10-30 13:05:32	leonixyz	thanks
2021-10-30 13:05:34	Namarrgon	either stuff it into crypttab or unlock it manually with cryptsetup
2021-10-30 13:05:42	leonixyz	ok
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2021-10-30 13:08:06	Namarrgon	if you give up the single-file part you could use e.g. ecryptfs
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2021-10-30 13:17:49	leonixyz	ok thanks
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2021-10-30 13:39:35	WhyNotHugo	Can I relicense some LGPL code to just GPL?
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2021-10-30 13:39:47	WhyNotHugo	I'm mixing some LGPL and GPL code and it would be simplest to just have one licence.
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2021-10-30 13:42:30	Namarrgon	you can't relicense someone else's code
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2021-10-30 13:43:34	WhyNotHugo	Namarrgon: So them, if I merge some LGPL code and GPL code... what's the licence of the resulting project...?
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2021-10-30 13:45:33	Namarrgon	https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#AllCompatibility
2021-10-30 13:45:35	phrik	Title: Frequently Asked Questions about the GNU Licenses - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (at www.gnu.org)
2021-10-30 13:45:59	Foxboron	WhyNotHugo: both, essentially.
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2021-10-30 13:46:12	Foxboron	but you can't mix and match all licenses :p
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2021-10-30 13:54:20	debarch	Hello all. It's more than 6 months that I didn't upgrade archlinux and it fails with package integrity for expac and gtk-layer-shell. How can I overcome this?
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2021-10-30 13:55:37	WhyNotHugo	Foxboron: Both? But then the orignally GPL code is not also LGPL too?
2021-10-30 13:55:48	WhyNotHugo	I was under the impression that these two had been designed to be combineable.
2021-10-30 13:55:59	Foxboron	WhyNotHugo: there might be an exception to the GPL/LGPL things :p
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2021-10-30 13:58:28	debarch	No mNo matter if I accept or refuse these 2 packages
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2021-10-30 14:02:58	Namarrgon	debarch: update the archlinux-keyring package first, then -Su again
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2021-10-30 14:31:54	debarch	Thanks Namarrgon. That overcome the problem. I have a new one but I have to quit now.
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2021-10-30 14:44:40	susi	one lil question: when I do -Qkk, what's the "backup file:" in the 1> output... what's the backup file, for example "backup file: filesystem: /etc/xxx (yyy mismatch)"
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2021-10-30 19:55:35	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2021-10-30 19:55:35	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1325 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1324 normals)
2021-10-30 15:55:31	susi	I vouch for paroling horseface, as a Community Member
2021-10-30 15:56:30	horseface	and i see, okay, bparker.
2021-10-30 16:45:46	heythere221	Hey. I switched from optimus-manager because of issues during poweroff to PRIME render offload method officially supported by NVIDIA. Ive also installed the prime-run script and checked with glxinfo if it works. everything seems to work fine except laiunching steam games. Ive set this as the launch option: __NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME="nvidia"
2021-10-30 16:45:48	heythere221	__VK_LAYER_NV_optimus="NVIDIA_only" %command% according to the NVIDA documentation but the game just wont launch. Any ideas what could be wrong?
2021-10-30 16:46:34	heythere221	launching steam with prime-run doesnt seem to solve the issue
2021-10-30 17:27:06	albet70	I'm using DDE on archlinux now, I'm trying to change the 'switch window' keyboard shortcut, because my 'alt' key is broken, I click the change key in keyboard shortcut in settings, and I press any key, it won't take, why?
2021-10-30 17:27:20	albet70	or is there a command can do 'switch window'?
2021-10-30 18:06:03	orangeFlu	anybody here using i3 with picom by any chance?
2021-10-30 18:09:21	NetSysFire	!anyone
2021-10-30 18:09:23	phrik	Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2021-10-30 18:17:21	susi	in pacman -Qkk 1> output, where does "backup file:" refer to? backup file of /etc/xxx is what/where?
2021-10-30 18:18:55	Lartza	susi, /etc/xxx.pacnew when updating, /etc/xxx.pacsave when removing
2021-10-30 18:19:12	Lartza	(Unless removing with -Rn)
2021-10-30 18:20:05	susi	I don't have .pac{new,save}'s of those files; for example ~all of /etc/pam.d/ files
2021-10-30 18:20:49	susi	when -Qkk lists that "backup file: pkgname: /etc/pkgs.conf (xxx mismatch)"
2021-10-30 18:23:15	Lartza	If those files don't contain user changes they won't be backed up
2021-10-30 18:23:41	susi	>backup file: pacman: /etc/makepkg.conf (SHA256 checksum mismatch)
2021-10-30 18:24:00	susi	for example that line, what does it mean, /etc/makepkg.conf is compared to what, what's the 'backup file'?
2021-10-30 18:24:06	orangeFlu	phrik: i have some problems with the blur options in picom, wondering if anyone has them as well. Mainly, no matter what backend i choose, it doesn't allow me to use gaussian or anything besides the default, which is very very slow
2021-10-30 18:24:06	phrik	orangeFlu: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
2021-10-30 18:24:49	Lartza	susi, Maybe see what files you do have find /etc -regextype posix-extended -regex ".+\.pac(new|save)" 2> /dev/null
2021-10-30 18:24:55	NetSysFire	phrik is a bot, orangeFlu
2021-10-30 18:24:56	phrik	Positively so.
2021-10-30 18:25:11	orangeFlu	what the..?
2021-10-30 18:25:45	orangeFlu	that was really confusing for a few seconds
2021-10-30 18:26:04	susi	Lartza: some of the files do not have those versions of themselves, for example /etc/pam.d/
2021-10-30 18:26:07	NetSysFire	!turing
2021-10-30 18:26:08	⚡ 	phrik got one step closer to world domination
2021-10-30 18:26:14	NetSysFire	he is really convincing
2021-10-30 18:26:23	orangeFlu	NetSysFire: can you help me then? with the picom problem
2021-10-30 18:26:27	susi	Lartza: I don't think this is about comparing file to .pacnew/save but maybe to some hashed values in some db?
2021-10-30 18:26:38	Lartza	Oh yeah sorry, getting a bit sleepy already
2021-10-30 18:26:40	NetSysFire	orangeFlu: just wait until someone replies
2021-10-30 18:26:48	Lartza	-Qkk is going to check what files have changed from the package
2021-10-30 18:26:54	NetSysFire	theres multiple versions of picom though, check the aur and check your configs.
2021-10-30 18:27:28	Lartza	There's not gonna be a .pacnew file if the package hasn't updated since the user made the changes yet
2021-10-30 18:28:40	orangeFlu	NetSysFire: how do i check for version with yay?
2021-10-30 18:29:24	susi	Lartza: if I do any changes to /etc/pam.d/newusers, that it differs from the original in the package, I'm going to receive those modification time/size/md5/sha256 mismatches in -Qkk?
2021-10-30 18:29:31	susi	Lartza: it's not indicating the file's corrupt?
2021-10-30 18:29:39	Lartza	Yes
2021-10-30 18:29:41	susi	(or may indicate that, too)
2021-10-30 18:29:46	Lartza	Correct
2021-10-30 18:29:49	susi	ok, then it's fine :)
2021-10-30 18:30:01	susi	there's not too many files under /etc/ I have not touched
2021-10-30 18:30:44	orangeFlu	NetSysFire: anyway, it doesn't matter, since it is picom-git, it is always the newest version
2021-10-30 18:31:34	susi	Lartza: so it should report those mismatches with, say, /etc/hosts or /etc/fstab for everyone?
2021-10-30 18:32:12	Lartza	Probably?
2021-10-30 18:32:30	Lartza	I haven't ever tested it without root
2021-10-30 18:33:13	susi	check if yours has those mismatches, /etc/sudoers, /etc/fstab, /etc/hosts, almost everything under /etc
2021-10-30 18:33:28	susi	what's the point if it works like this, I can see what confs I have modified since the installation? but why
2021-10-30 18:33:40	Lartza	Because packages need to know what files have been modified on upgrade
2021-10-30 18:34:16	susi	ah rite
2021-10-30 18:34:21	Lartza	And yes -Qkk works for every user when permission allows it
2021-10-30 19:55:35	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-30 20:24:35	jonathon	I've been thinking about a situation where I want to know how long it has been since an -Syu was performed on an installation. While /var/log/pacman.log will tell you an -Syu was started, it won't tell you it completed. The closest I've got is a post-transaction upgrade hook to store a timestamp, but that would also run if a single package is reinstalled. So, my question: is there a way of
2021-10-30 20:24:35	jonathon	programatically determining the last time an -Syu ran to completion?
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2021-10-30 20:25:46	evilop	unless you have your machine sitting for half a year at some Y/n prompt, the slight difference in time shouldn't matter
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2021-10-30 20:26:01	evilop	(also the start time would be more interesting anyway)
2021-10-30 20:26:36	evilop	since it is a the start time pacman will fetch the sync db and determine which versions to grab etc
2021-10-30 20:28:22	jonathon	i'm specifically trying to guard against an incomplete or not-actually-started update, e.g. they shut down or cancel before the process runs
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2021-10-30 20:32:33	WhyNotHugo	My magic touchpad sometimes doesn't respond for like 10 seconds... I think it goes to sleep. Any ideas?
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2021-10-30 20:33:13	evilop	lmt/similar?
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2021-10-30 20:35:17	teraflops	jonathon: [ALPM] transaction completed is not enough?
2021-10-30 20:35:17	nergar	anybody knows of any tiling wm with a default alt+tab shortcut that works like in a stacking wm?
2021-10-30 20:37:06	teraflops	nergar: I wonder what would be the behaviour of doing alt+tab in a tiling wm
2021-10-30 20:37:38	teraflops	changing of workspace?
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2021-10-30 20:38:37	jonathon	hmm, yeah... i guess ' find last "-Syu", check for following "transaction completed" ' would work...
2021-10-30 20:39:39	susi	it seems to still run hooks after 'transaction completed'... what if a hook fails, how'd you know..
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2021-10-30 20:42:34	teraflops	indeed but pacman -Syu succeed
2021-10-30 20:42:39	george-angel	Ok, I ended up with a "small" /boot on install, and tried recreating it by backing up and copying files. Now however, I can't boot. I get a Windows looking screen saying "Your device needs to be repaired, error code: 0xc000000e". Any help please?
2021-10-30 20:42:47	teraflops	at least it's a good starting point
2021-10-30 20:42:55	tuxlovesyou	anyone ever gotten an issue with autotools where the PKG_CHECK_MODULES macro does not expand when generating a configure script?
2021-10-30 20:43:18	tuxlovesyou	I'm trying to build libimobiledevice from GitHub (AUR package is a bit old)
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2021-10-30 20:43:31	jonathon	i seem to think hooks will fail if you e.g. close a terminal with a running `pacman` process - so while the transaction will run, hooks won't. and, if your hooks don't run at that point your system is likely borked due to dkms drivers or initramfs not being rebuilt :/
2021-10-30 20:43:41	tuxlovesyou	tried also building latest release version with no success as well
2021-10-30 20:43:49	tuxlovesyou	(1.3.0)
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2021-10-30 20:44:29	tuxlovesyou	never mind, looks like it exists in 'extra'
2021-10-30 20:44:40	tuxlovesyou	still curious why I can't get it to build myself, though
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2021-10-30 20:45:15	thrice	look at PKGBUILD differences between extra and the aur ?
2021-10-30 20:45:35	tuxlovesyou	I think I was mistaken, I was looking at the ifuse package
2021-10-30 20:45:50	tuxlovesyou	and confused it with the libimobiledevide package
2021-10-30 20:46:12	teraflops	there's libconfuse to add more confusion as well
2021-10-30 20:46:18	tuxlovesyou	haha
2021-10-30 20:46:32	tuxlovesyou	I have the same issue with the configure script in ifuse, from GitHub, as well
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2021-10-30 20:47:22	tuxlovesyou	Not sure why PKG_CHECK_MODULES isn't expanding...
2021-10-30 20:47:58	tuxlovesyou	Not sure if this is an Autotools bug or something wrong with these packages...
2021-10-30 20:48:13	tuxlovesyou	this is the repo in question: https://github.com/libimobiledevice/ifuse
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2021-10-30 20:48:48	tuxlovesyou	the AUR ifuse package has the same issue building for me, as well
2021-10-30 20:48:57	tuxlovesyou	is there something wrong with the config on my computer?
2021-10-30 20:49:23	tuxlovesyou	usually Autotools goes brrrrrr (slowly, of course)
2021-10-30 20:49:28	susi	results from ./autogen.sh or make or make install?
2021-10-30 20:50:18	tuxlovesyou	autogen.sh by itself and with autoupdate + autoreconf -i
2021-10-30 20:50:22	tuxlovesyou	I don't have a makefile yet
2021-10-30 20:50:35	tuxlovesyou	You only get a makefile if configure worked
2021-10-30 20:50:44	thrice	==> Finished making: ifuse 1.1.4-1 (Sat 30 Oct 2021 02:50:23 PM EDT)
2021-10-30 20:50:46	thrice	wfm
2021-10-30 20:50:55	tuxlovesyou	AAAAAAAA
2021-10-30 20:51:04	thrice	https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/plain/PKGBUILD?h=ifuse
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2021-10-30 20:51:09	thrice	downloading that, and just running makepkg
2021-10-30 20:51:40	tuxlovesyou	gonna make a new user account and see if that does anything different
2021-10-30 20:52:20	tuxlovesyou	no dice
2021-10-30 20:52:51	tuxlovesyou	I wonder what about my computer is causing that macro to fail to expand...
2021-10-30 20:52:57	thrice	paste your errors maybe, instead of just continuing to say "doesn't work?" :D
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2021-10-30 20:53:54	tuxlovesyou	https://paste.pythondiscord.com/raw/ifofiqekih
2021-10-30 20:54:25	tuxlovesyou	'PKG_CHECK_MODULES(libimobiledevice, libimobiledevice-1.0 >= 1.3.0)' ends up in the configure shell script
2021-10-30 20:55:05	tuxlovesyou	I don't think it should be there
2021-10-30 20:55:18	mingdao	!sy
2021-10-30 20:55:18	phrik	You are having this problem because you use `pacman -Sy` to do things. Stop doing that (see !sos) and do a full system upgrade.
2021-10-30 20:55:32	tuxlovesyou	I just ran -Syu recently
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2021-10-30 20:55:51	mingdao	Is it okay to run `pacman -Sy <package>` ?
2021-10-30 20:55:56	evilop	no
2021-10-30 20:56:09	evilop	!sos
2021-10-30 20:56:10	phrik	_Never_ -Sy when installing! https://gist.github.com/vodik/5660494
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2021-10-30 20:56:16	thrice	(he's running pacaur)
2021-10-30 20:56:33	mingdao	OIC
2021-10-30 20:56:41	mingdao	Never used pacaur.
2021-10-30 20:56:56	susi	-Sy requires extra care afterwards
2021-10-30 20:57:17	tuxlovesyou	in any event, I just reran -Syu.  Not that it matters here, as no libc/shared object changes that would screw me have taken place here...
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2021-10-30 20:57:45	tuxlovesyou	as I anticipated, nothing changed
2021-10-30 20:57:48	susi	I sometimes -Sy and then -S some small thinks I know won't bork the system, but you need to -Su (or -Syu) then afterwards before doing more -S'ing
2021-10-30 20:57:55	tuxlovesyou	^ this
2021-10-30 20:58:16	tuxlovesyou	I am scrub, but a self-aware one
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2021-10-30 20:58:54	tuxlovesyou	I also will often do this: 'pacman -Syyu --ignore linux,linux-headers,nvidia,nvidia-settings,nvidia-utils,nvidia-dkms,cuda,linux-api-headers'
2021-10-30 20:58:56	thrice	https://dpaste.com/2HY9MW76M
2021-10-30 20:59:07	susi	but there's not really good reasons to not run -Syu (-Sy..-Su) always when -Sy is required because of age of database
2021-10-30 20:59:57	tuxlovesyou	anyways, I understand my use of pacman on my desktop at times is not in keeping with "best practices" here...
2021-10-30 21:00:15	luna_	i just installed plain Arch for the first time in a while, went super good with the new archinstaller in Python :)
2021-10-30 21:00:34	thrice	tuxlovesyou: pacman -Q libimobiledevice ?
2021-10-30 21:00:39	susi	luna_: but did you learn anything now that you used the installer? :o
2021-10-30 21:00:42	tuxlovesyou	I'll try that thrice
2021-10-30 21:00:55	tuxlovesyou	libimobiledevice 1.3.0-3
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2021-10-30 21:01:01	luna_	susi: nope but i am lazy :p
2021-10-30 21:01:15	thrice	odd, same, and it finds it OK on my system
2021-10-30 21:01:42	luna_	got my little brothers old PC not good enough for gaming but trying to compile firefox for AUR on it 
2021-10-30 21:01:49	susi	for some reason it fails to find libimobiledevice for tuxlovesyou
2021-10-30 21:01:58	tuxlovesyou	my issue appears to be related to how Autoconf and friends are expanding the PKG_CHECK_MODULES() macro
2021-10-30 21:02:04	luna_	to see if i can use it for offloading compiling work
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2021-10-30 21:02:47	tuxlovesyou	Autoconf and the autogen script aren't generating good configure scripts
2021-10-30 21:02:48	thrice	tuxlovesyou: pacman -Q autoconf ?
2021-10-30 21:02:58	tuxlovesyou	autoconf 2.71-1
2021-10-30 21:03:05	teraflops	nergar the most similar thing I can think of, is i3wm's scratchpad that you can keybind to alt-tab to behave like this https://0x0.st/-n2b.mp4
2021-10-30 21:03:32	thrice	same /o\
2021-10-30 21:03:53	tuxlovesyou	something f*cky with my autotools config
2021-10-30 21:03:57	tuxlovesyou	not sure how or why
2021-10-30 21:04:08	tuxlovesyou	to my knowledge I haven't changed anything about my installation
2021-10-30 21:04:27	tuxlovesyou	I tried building on fresh user account and I still got the same issue 
2021-10-30 21:04:43	thrice	well, there's nothing usually "user" specific
2021-10-30 21:04:51	tuxlovesyou	not in this case, apparently
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2021-10-30 21:06:05	tuxlovesyou	asking in the #autotools channel, though I haven't always had luck there in the past
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2021-10-30 21:06:25	tuxlovesyou	last time I fixed my problem by looking at the autotools test suite code lol
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2021-10-30 21:06:31	susi	I wonder that why it's pkg_checkin' libimoduledevice-1.0 > 1.3.0
2021-10-30 21:06:35	susi	>= *
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2021-10-30 21:06:58	thrice	I have the same setup, though, and the script finds it here
2021-10-30 21:07:01	tuxlovesyou	gonna see if my laptop's arch install has the same issue
2021-10-30 21:07:18	thrice	https://dpaste.com/2HY9MW76M
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2021-10-30 21:09:00	tuxlovesyou	what the hell, it works on my laptop...
2021-10-30 21:09:04	tuxlovesyou	weird :/
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2021-10-30 21:21:18	teraflops	hmm gnome working on nvida + wayland because mesa and nvidia drivers are now compatible or it's using eglstream and I'm not aware of it?
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2021-10-30 21:24:50	evilop	depends on nvidia and mesa version running
2021-10-30 21:25:09	teraflops	latest from stable repos
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2021-10-30 21:25:19	inad922	Hi
2021-10-30 21:25:50	inad922	I'm having a bit of an issue with opening links with all electron based apps. Namely discord and obsidian desktop
2021-10-30 21:25:57	teraflops	nvidia-dkms 470.74-1 and mesa 21.2.4-1
2021-10-30 21:26:03	inad922	Have anyone run into this issue and solved it somehow?
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2021-10-30 21:26:40	evilop	inad922: chance the assosiation
2021-10-30 21:27:13	inad922	evilop: I think the main issue is that they are both based on electron
2021-10-30 21:27:16	evilop	if it is the classic links gets openned in notepad or similar issue
2021-10-30 21:27:17	inad922	I can try vs code too
2021-10-30 21:27:44	evilop	what is the actual problem you have?
2021-10-30 21:28:05	inad922	evilop: They just don't open it. I tried observing the consoles with "Ctrl+Shift+i" but nothing comes up there either.
2021-10-30 21:28:26	inad922	I click a link and it should open in FF, but nothing happens. That's my problem
2021-10-30 21:28:31	evilop	xdg-settings get default-web-browser 
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2021-10-30 21:28:48	inad922	xdg-open "https://www.google.com" works fine.
2021-10-30 21:28:50	phrik	Title: Google (at www.google.com)
2021-10-30 21:29:13	inad922	the default browser is firefox.desktop
2021-10-30 21:29:36	evilop	are you using wayland?
2021-10-30 21:30:12	inad922	No, I don't
2021-10-30 21:30:42	inad922	Or I think I don't I'm not actually sure
2021-10-30 21:30:45	inad922	Why do you ask?
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2021-10-30 21:31:25	evilop	printenv XDG_SESSION_TYPE
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2021-10-30 21:32:17	inad922	x11
2021-10-30 21:33:25	evilop	test with a different browser set as the default
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2021-10-30 21:35:17	inad922	Hmm
2021-10-30 21:35:26	inad922	I think there is yet another connection
2021-10-30 21:35:30	inad922	I installed both with nix
2021-10-30 21:35:41	evilop	that will mess with the env
2021-10-30 21:35:41	inad922	I reinstalled discord from the official arch repos
2021-10-30 21:35:44	inad922	And that works
2021-10-30 21:35:55	evilop	nix apps runs in a different env
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2021-10-30 21:36:17	inad922	Umm, what env vars do I need to make this work btw?
2021-10-30 21:36:39	inad922	I can look it up and maybe pass it to the nix app or I can just install obsidian from aur
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2021-10-30 21:37:49	evilop	obsidian is available in aur
2021-10-30 21:38:54	evilop	https://github.com/electron/electron/issues/28436
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2021-10-30 21:39:16	evilop	and a lot of other fun bug reports
2021-10-30 21:39:38	◣	LordRishav (~LordRisha@user/lordrishav) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2021-10-30 21:39:56	evilop	^ why I asked about wayland
2021-10-30 21:40:41	inad922	haha
2021-10-30 21:40:42	inad922	Nice
2021-10-30 21:41:01	inad922	Umm ok, I think for electron based apps I won't use nix for the time being
2021-10-30 21:41:37	evilop	if your nix pulls in an old electron build, there are a bunch of other relevant bugs too when it comes to link opening
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2021-10-30 21:45:00	inad922	I think that's not an issue. It pulls 13.x.y just like the aur package https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/pkgs/applications/misc/obsidian/default.nix
2021-10-30 21:47:19	inad922	Ah ok, so 13 is not the newest version https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/pkgs/development/tools/electron/default.nix#L118
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2021-10-30 21:48:49	inad922	I just looked into the release notes for electron. Seems like 13,14,15 are all live version. Not sure what's the policy for backporting changes for this project. 
2021-10-30 21:48:55	◣	Zauberfisch (~Zauberfis@62.240.152.166) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2021-10-30 21:48:59	inad922	live versions
2021-10-30 21:49:18	inad922	But the gh issue you linked was still open
2021-10-30 21:49:30	◣	guniberas (~guniberas@42.191.188.121) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2021-10-30 21:49:51	inad922	Installing discord with pacman and obsidian from aur solved my problems. I removed the corresponding nix packages. 
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2021-10-30 21:55:32	evilop	!aw kde
2021-10-30 21:55:33	phrik	evilop: Kde - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kde
2021-10-30 21:55:50	evilop	choose either the group or metapackage as you like, and use pacman -Syu whatever
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2021-10-30 22:00:52	inad922	Thanks for helping me out evilop! 
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2021-10-30 22:05:52	jason1234	what is the magic command to "upgrade" + then install the KDE-STANDARD desktop (plasma desktop) using PACMAN command line?
2021-10-30 22:05:58	jason1234	i meant, first to upgrade
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2021-10-30 22:06:04	jason1234	and secondly to bring KDE. 
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2021-10-30 22:06:19	jason1234	how is that possible? with pacman -Syu kde?
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2021-10-30 22:06:43	thrice	no, pacman -Syu updates all packages, kde included
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2021-10-30 22:07:35	jason1234	yeah, but maybe first to intall kDE?
2021-10-30 22:07:39	jason1234	how to intsall KDE?
2021-10-30 22:07:41	another|	see the wiki for the kde metapackages/groups
2021-10-30 22:07:42	evilop	I already told you how to
2021-10-30 22:09:07	jason1234	   pacman -Syu       plasma-meta    plasma-desktop      xorg    <-- right?
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2021-10-30 22:09:44	evilop	no
2021-10-30 22:10:02	susi	plasma-meta already depends on plasma-desktop
2021-10-30 22:12:52	jason1234	    pacman -Syu         plasma-desktop     <-- it didnt work, it fails, telling to pacman -h, but pacman -h gives no man page
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2021-10-30 22:13:21	evilop	post the exact command and output
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2021-10-30 22:14:36	george-angel	Hello, I'm unable to start-up after recreating EFI /boot partition, mode details here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=270829 - any help is appreciated. Thank you
2021-10-30 22:14:38	phrik	Title: Unable to start after re-creating /boot EFI partition / Installation / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-10-30 22:14:48	Gagis	why -Syu instead of just -S when installing something new?
2021-10-30 22:15:23	susi	george-angel: check `efibootmgr -v`
2021-10-30 22:15:25	evilop	Gagis: because "foo not found on server" and "user does -Sy and forgets about it"
2021-10-30 22:16:17	george-angel	susi: Post updated with the output - thank you
2021-10-30 22:16:37	jason1234	 -Suy and -Syu is visibly not the same in archlinux
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2021-10-30 22:17:17	cyphertite	jason1234:  `man pacman`
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2021-10-30 22:22:13	evilop	jason1234: -Syu and -Suy does the exact same thing
2021-10-30 22:22:34	evilop	inb4itsnotactuallyarchandpacman
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2021-10-30 22:35:27	evilop	is the server directly on the public network?
2021-10-30 22:36:04	evilop	or are you using hostname and it happen to resolve to a public ip?
2021-10-30 22:39:04	johndvd	i have a nas (local server) and internet connection through one router. i count traffic on internet-nic, and local traffic to/from nas should not be counted (via vnstat)
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2021-10-30 22:40:28	johndvd	i tried change route "default" to mount the nas. but defining seperate routes for local server traffic seems to work
2021-10-30 22:40:39	evilop	the router shouldn't be sending the traffic to the nas out on the public interface
2021-10-30 22:41:14	johndvd	yeah, it shouldn't - but it does
2021-10-30 22:42:03	evilop	you are running vnstat on the router?
2021-10-30 22:42:16	johndvd	the router is for both, routing local traffic and internet traffic
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2021-10-30 22:42:37	evilop	it should never send the lan traffic out on the wan
2021-10-30 22:42:49	evilop	if it does, something is configured quite wrong
2021-10-30 22:42:55	johndvd	the router is standalone and non-costumizable. vnstat runs on the main PC
2021-10-30 22:43:26	SenoraRaton	So still working on a bootable system. Grub is not showing an operating system, only UEFI setting.  I ran the install and autoconfig, why isn't it listed?
2021-10-30 22:43:40	evilop	and said pc only have one nic and its connected to said router?
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2021-10-30 22:44:16	evilop	if so, you can't use plain vnstat, you will have to do accounting based on destination
2021-10-30 22:44:48	johndvd	the main PC does have 2 nics, one (the slow one) should be for internet connection, and the fast one should handle local network connections
2021-10-30 22:45:11	evilop	two nicks but both are connected to the same router?
2021-10-30 22:45:18	evilop	better make a drawing
2021-10-30 22:45:28	nergar	teraflops, thanks for your input... I asked to settle a little argument 
2021-10-30 22:46:22	johndvd	the simplest solution would be to let vnstat ignore local traffic...
2021-10-30 22:47:08	evilop	vnstat have no idea what is local or not
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2021-10-30 22:47:40	johndvd	yeah two nics connected to the same router, but having different ip-addresses
2021-10-30 22:48:03	evilop	with different subnets?
2021-10-30 22:48:09	johndvd	no
2021-10-30 22:48:13	evilop	and the router configured to not mix them?
2021-10-30 22:48:19	evilop	well you have to fix that then
2021-10-30 22:48:25	evilop	have/should
2021-10-30 22:48:31	evilop	even better, do vlans
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2021-10-30 22:49:28	evilop	(if its a potato consumer router, then you might need a new router=
2021-10-30 22:49:41	johndvd	thanks for your help, i'll try defining certain routes first. in worst-case i have to use 2 routers/switches...
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2021-10-30 22:49:57	evilop	or just one sane router with vlan support
2021-10-30 22:50:03	Arsimael	Good evening. 
2021-10-30 22:50:10	evilop	even most consumer routers does vlan these days
2021-10-30 22:50:42	Arsimael	Is someone running endlessh and can tell me the secrets on how to get it to run on a port <1024?
2021-10-30 22:51:45	johndvd	i talking about a 10/100/1000/10000GBaseT router, that is not configurable ;-)
2021-10-30 22:51:46	evilop	Arsimael: start as root and then have it drop privs
2021-10-30 22:52:00	evilop	johndvd: what 10gb router is not configurable?
2021-10-30 22:52:17	Arsimael	evilop: It's starting. - If I start it manually. If I start it via systemd it permanently crashed
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2021-10-30 22:53:00	evilop	Arsimael: imo waste of time to run endlessh though
2021-10-30 22:53:15	Arsimael	And about the not manageable  10GbE Switch: Netgear has one
2021-10-30 22:53:24	evilop	which model?
2021-10-30 22:53:42	evilop	also you said router, not switch
2021-10-30 22:53:49	Arsimael	I want ot run endlessh because it's better to even steal 30s od time from scanners then presenting them a "connection refused" answere
2021-10-30 22:53:51	evilop	routers are by defenition managable
2021-10-30 22:53:53	johndvd	evilop: is costed about 100 Eur, it's not ment for industrial or commercial purpose
2021-10-30 22:54:18	SenoraRaton	Do I have to do anything to identify my efi partition to the bios?  The config files exist, i have to mount the efi partition to see them, but arch isn't listed.
2021-10-30 22:54:20	evilop	johndvd: https://mikrotik.com/product/rb5009ug_s_in :p
2021-10-30 22:54:21	phrik	Title: MikroTik Routers and Wireless - Products: RB5009UG+S+IN (at mikrotik.com)
2021-10-30 22:54:47	Arsimael	SenoraRaton: Secureboot activated?
2021-10-30 22:54:51	evilop	SenoraRaton: make it the correct guid and filesystem
2021-10-30 22:55:18	SenoraRaton	What is secureboot.  The EFI parition is set as fat32, what is the "correct" guid?
2021-10-30 22:55:19	evilop	SenoraRaton: what hardware is this? some have broken firmware and will only boot from the default load path, or the path that windows uses
2021-10-30 22:55:48	evilop	most common on laptops
2021-10-30 22:56:06	johndvd	evilop: i'm doing a home-network without fiber. i'll not buy new hardware ;-)
2021-10-30 22:56:33	SenoraRaton	Its an ASrock Fatality motherboard
2021-10-30 22:56:43	evilop	johndvd: mt has a decently priced all 10gbit sfp+ switch/router :p
2021-10-30 22:56:54	Arsimael	SenoraRaton: Partitiontype needs to be ef00
2021-10-30 22:57:16	evilop	SenoraRaton: post efibootmgr -v and lsblk -f -o+PARTTYPENAME
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2021-10-30 22:58:46	evilop	generally cheaper to get a simpler router and a powerfull switch though instead of having the router do double duty
2021-10-30 22:58:51	evilop	cheaper and better
2021-10-30 22:59:19	SenoraRaton	So my partition type is ef EFI (FAT-12/16/32) and i did mfks.fat -F32 /dev/xyz
2021-10-30 22:59:29	another|	johndvd: you can also just set better routing
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2021-10-30 23:00:24	cyphertite	SenoraRaton:  the correct command is:  `mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdxy`
2021-10-30 23:01:17	another|	if your hardware can't do VLAN
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2021-10-30 23:02:55	SenoraRaton	@evilop https://termbin.com/ffjv  https://termbin.com/45pv
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2021-10-30 23:03:38	johndvd	another: i got hint concerning defining routes, and i'll try that tomorrow
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2021-10-30 23:04:15	evilop	missing -o+PARTTYPENAME
2021-10-30 23:04:32	SenoraRaton	It says no such column or something of that nature
2021-10-30 23:05:00	evilop	SenoraRaton: the grub entry doesn't show up when you f8 or whatever during boot?
2021-10-30 23:05:13	evilop	SenoraRaton: sure you spelt it correctly?
2021-10-30 23:05:26	SenoraRaton	@evilop https://termbin.com/f32h
2021-10-30 23:05:36	evilop	or is this not running on arch?
2021-10-30 23:05:37	Arsimael	SenoraRaton: Did you had Windows Running on that machine before?
2021-10-30 23:06:09	SenoraRaton	It is running on Arch, I have no idea of the history of the system, its a public computer that I'm attempting to re-set up.  It did have arch on it before I formatted it.
2021-10-30 23:07:13	evilop	try the removable flag for grub
2021-10-30 23:07:20	evilop	but that board should work fine without
2021-10-30 23:07:46	SenoraRaton	What do you mean, when I generate the config?
2021-10-30 23:07:48	DilithiumNO3	a public computer? do you own it, or work at the library/internet cafe/whatever the computer's in, or what?
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2021-10-30 23:09:04	SenoraRaton	DilithiumNO3  at a hacker space, the computer is used by people here.  I'm just trying to get it bootable so that someone can use it.
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2021-10-30 23:09:34	evilop	alternatively bootctl install instead of grub
2021-10-30 23:11:37	SenoraRaton	I don't see bootctl listed in the bootloaders
2021-10-30 23:12:30	DilithiumNO3	bootctl is the control command for systemd-boot
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2021-10-30 23:12:43	DilithiumNO3	systemd-boot's .efi file is called loader.efi AFAIK
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2021-10-31 06:13:05	noahmg123	How do I add a driver for my USB WiFi dongle so the Arch installer can use it?
2021-10-31 06:15:30	thurstylark	what chipset?
2021-10-31 06:16:32	Scisista	noahmg123: I think you have the same problem as mine
2021-10-31 06:17:06	noahmg123	Wonderful
2021-10-31 06:17:41	thurstylark	we don't know that
2021-10-31 06:17:41	Scisista	I use git clone to download the driver files though
2021-10-31 06:17:51	thurstylark	they haven't told us anything about their hardware
2021-10-31 06:17:59	Scisista	yeah
2021-10-31 06:18:01	thurstylark	we can't make any assumptions until at least that's cleared up
2021-10-31 06:18:04	thurstylark	so
2021-10-31 06:18:05	thurstylark	noahmg123: 
2021-10-31 06:18:10	thurstylark	what chipset?
2021-10-31 06:19:33	noahmg123	thurstylark: what does chipset have to do with it?
2021-10-31 06:19:43	noahmg123	Just curious
2021-10-31 06:19:51	thurstylark	that's how you determine what driver to use
2021-10-31 06:20:16	noahmg123	No, I know exactly what driver I need
2021-10-31 06:20:26	thurstylark	then give us *that* info
2021-10-31 06:20:28	thurstylark	or any info
2021-10-31 06:20:30	noahmg123	Idk how to install it in the USB environment
2021-10-31 06:20:30	thurstylark	something to go on
2021-10-31 06:20:56	noahmg123	I'm booted into the Arch installer ISO using a USB drive
2021-10-31 06:21:01	Scisista	just give us the name of the chipset
2021-10-31 06:21:28	Scisista	then we'll analyse the instructions to help you, or something
2021-10-31 06:21:34	noahmg123	It's the rtl 88x2bu chipset
2021-10-31 06:22:12	noahmg123	It's in the aur, but like, that's for after install
2021-10-31 06:22:29	Scisista	can you use git clone instead?
2021-10-31 06:22:52	noahmg123	Scisista: I can't git clone...... If I don't have internet access
2021-10-31 06:23:01	noahmg123	I need it currently
2021-10-31 06:23:24	Scisista	maybe package the files into an offline package, then use pacman -U?
2021-10-31 06:24:21	Scisista	or use USB tethering to connect to the internet?
2021-10-31 06:24:39	thurstylark	if you've got another arch machine, build it there and transfer the resulting package file
2021-10-31 06:25:32	noahmg123	thurstylark: I have another Arch machine, but it's a couple kernel versions ahead of the USB one
2021-10-31 06:26:39	Scisista	is Windows Subsystem for Linux fine for transferring the package files?
2021-10-31 06:27:12	noahmg123	Idk why you're bringing up Windows. That's not even anywhere in what I'm doing.
2021-10-31 06:27:35	thurstylark	noahmg123: they all use dkms anyways. kernel version shouldn't matter
2021-10-31 06:29:27	noahmg123	thurstylark: I'm not sure how that means kernel version doesn't matter. also, dkms doesn't appear to be installed in the USB environment
2021-10-31 06:31:34	thurstylark	because that's what dkms *is*. it builds the module for whatever kernel exists. 
2021-10-31 06:32:01	thurstylark	also, you can do the same package file transfer thing with the dkms package while you're at it with the rtl driver
2021-10-31 06:32:57	noahmg123	Ok. Well I think it's moot anyway because the dkms command does not exist in the USB environment
2021-10-31 06:34:01	thurstylark	that will be shipped *in* the dkms package
2021-10-31 06:34:05	kevr	so transfer extra/dkms and installed it
2021-10-31 06:34:06	thurstylark	so that makes sense
2021-10-31 06:34:11	kevr	install*
2021-10-31 06:34:37	Scisista	I cloned an dkms package for my dongle and it includes files for both old and new versions of kernels
2021-10-31 06:35:12	thurstylark	yeah, because that's what dkms is
2021-10-31 06:35:18	thurstylark	Dynamic Kernel Module Support
2021-10-31 06:35:37	thurstylark	recompiling modules for whatever kernel(s) exist
2021-10-31 06:35:43	thurstylark	that's its whole job
2021-10-31 06:35:47	noahmg123	thurstylark: how can I transfer it and it's dependencies easily?
2021-10-31 06:36:04	thurstylark	usb thumb drive would be my first go-to
2021-10-31 06:36:16	Scisista	read the arch wiki
2021-10-31 06:37:03	Scisista	or something
2021-10-31 06:38:39	noahmg123	Cool ok
2021-10-31 06:40:14	noahmg123	thurstylark: I was meaning more what commands could I run but anyway I figured it out
2021-10-31 06:41:18	thurstylark	ahh, that wasn't clear based on your question
2021-10-31 06:41:31	noahmg123	"how can I transfer" means action
2021-10-31 06:42:03	noahmg123	"where can I transfer" or "through what can I  transfer" would imply I don't know the medium to transform with
2021-10-31 06:42:12	noahmg123	I'm sorry, I thought I was clear
2021-10-31 06:42:37	thurstylark	people use "how" like that all the time, so it's ambiguous
2021-10-31 06:42:53	noahmg123	I guess. Regardless, I found an old USB WiFi dongle that works out of the box. I'm using that.
2021-10-31 06:43:11	thurstylark	well, that solves all the problems :P
2021-10-31 06:43:16	noahmg123	I guess
2021-10-31 06:43:41	noahmg123	Out of curiosity, did you think I was an Arch newbie, or were you just covering your bases?
2021-10-31 06:44:39	thurstylark	I'm literally just taking your requests at face value. 
2021-10-31 06:44:39	noahmg123	Bc, and I want to say this nicely as possible,  our conversation felt a bit patronizing, and maybe that's my fault, but yeah
2021-10-31 06:45:33	thurstylark	I mean, it didn't start well when you began the interaction by refusing to provide information, so yeah
2021-10-31 06:46:02	thurstylark	hard to provide help in that situation
2021-10-31 06:46:06	thurstylark	makes me kinda pissy
2021-10-31 06:46:49	noahmg123	I mean, again, I thought I was clear. I gave my problem: I needed to add a driver SPECIFICALLY so I could use it in the Arch installer
2021-10-31 06:47:14	noahmg123	I thought that much was clear in my original message
2021-10-31 06:49:43	thurstylark	you didn't say what hardware you were dealing with, or that you already knew what driver was appropriate. If you had said any of those things, I would have skipped several steps ahead
2021-10-31 06:49:58	thurstylark	the more information you can give, the better help I can give
2021-10-31 06:50:18	noahmg123	I guess that makes sense, I can see how you misread that
2021-10-31 06:50:38	thurstylark	most people who ask that are trying to install arch for the first time, and don't know anything about anything
2021-10-31 06:50:43	thurstylark	so, it's best to not assume
2021-10-31 06:50:51	noahmg123	Fair enough
2021-10-31 06:51:19	noahmg123	Basically though, my question was how to install *a* driver (any driver) in the USB installation environment
2021-10-31 06:51:42	noahmg123	If I had needed help knowing which one, I personally would have clarified that
2021-10-31 06:52:04	noahmg123	But really my question was just what was on the tin
2021-10-31 06:52:18	noahmg123	I can definitely see where the confusion came from though
2021-10-31 06:52:40	thurstylark	answering that question depends on the driver, though. my answer differs if its something packaged in the official repos, packaged in the AUR, not packaged anywhere, or doesn't have any linux drivers
2021-10-31 06:53:03	thurstylark	best way to demystify that is to ask about hardware, determine the best driver, then determine how to get it running
2021-10-31 06:53:47	noahmg123	Ah yeah, you are right about that
2021-10-31 06:54:08	thurstylark	all that would have been skipped if you said "I have a wifi dongle, and I know what package provides its driver, but I don't know how to get that installed in the iso environment", then we could have skipped all that investigation
2021-10-31 06:54:24	noahmg123	You're right
2021-10-31 06:55:18	noahmg123	thurstylark: for future reference, in case this happens again and I don't have this other old wifi dongle, I can just use dkms?
2021-10-31 06:58:04	thurstylark	yeo
2021-10-31 06:58:07	thurstylark	*yep
2021-10-31 06:59:06	noahmg123	Cool, sounds good
2021-10-31 06:59:11	thurstylark	could also build your own archiso with your drivers included if you use that dongle for this regularly
2021-10-31 06:59:25	thurstylark	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=243409
2021-10-31 06:59:26	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] How to add a module from an AUR package to a custom Arch ISO? / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-10-31 07:02:11	noahmg123	Fascinating
2021-10-31 07:02:39	noahmg123	And yeah, my WiFi card died a while ago and I bought the dongle to replace it
2021-10-31 07:02:49	AmR	How I can use * with pacman search ?
2021-10-31 07:03:13	noahmg123	And by died I mean it now stops receiving power a few seconds after boot, so it's hardware fuckery
2021-10-31 07:03:39	noahmg123	It's soldered onto the board so not much can be done, unfortunately
2021-10-31 07:04:04	thurstylark	AmR: just like any other regex
2021-10-31 07:08:56	low-key	is it normal to not get a password prompt when initializing a restic repo on a ntfs formatted partition? 
2021-10-31 07:09:25	low-key	i get a prompt when initializing on my local storage or an attached sd card but don't on an external hard drive that's ntfs formatted
2021-10-31 07:10:16	low-key	my bad, i set an environment variable 🙈
2021-10-31 07:17:01	Scisista	what did I miss?
2021-10-31 07:19:02	NetSysFire	nothing
2021-10-31 07:20:36	Scisista	nice
2021-10-31 07:22:29	Scisista	reee kept on getting the "Waiting for carrier" error
2021-10-31 07:23:17	Scisista	Arch successfully detected my Wi-Fi USB adapter as "wlan0", but I kept on getting the "Waiting for carrier" error
2021-10-31 07:23:50	Scisista	and iwctl straight up refuses to detect it
2021-10-31 07:30:51	Scisista	help?
2021-10-31 07:31:12	NetSysFire	when did this start happening? did it ever work?
2021-10-31 07:31:29	sheep	are both iwd and wpa_supplicant running?
2021-10-31 07:31:54	thurstylark	NetSysFire: (there's lots of scrollback on this one btw)
2021-10-31 07:32:00	NetSysFire	oh
2021-10-31 07:32:08	⚡ 	NetSysFire shuts mouth
2021-10-31 07:32:16	thurstylark	heh
2021-10-31 07:32:36	Scisista	I don't have wpa
2021-10-31 07:32:53	sheep	does ps aux say that it's runnig?
2021-10-31 07:33:06	icy_hot	netctl maybe?
2021-10-31 07:33:16	Scisista	netctl?
2021-10-31 07:33:58	Scisista	and what do I have to look for after executing ps aux?
2021-10-31 07:34:34	sheep	iwd and wpa_supplicant
2021-10-31 07:35:48	Scisista	hmmm, nope they're not running
2021-10-31 07:36:41	icy_hot	you want to enable one of them
2021-10-31 07:37:05	Scisista	how though?
2021-10-31 07:38:24	thurstylark	Scisista: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd#Using_units
2021-10-31 07:38:25	phrik	Title: systemd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-31 07:38:27	icy_hot	to start it, use systemctl enable. 
2021-10-31 07:38:52	icy_hot	I mean systemctl start
2021-10-31 07:38:54	thurstylark	that just enables it
2021-10-31 07:39:01	Scisista	also, I tried fixing it via, quote from Arch wiki: "If you get a timeout error due to a waiting for carrier problem, then you might have to set the channel mode to auto for the specific device:
2021-10-31 07:39:02	Scisista	# iwconfig wlan0 channel auto"
2021-10-31 07:39:06	icy_hot	yeah I just realized it
2021-10-31 07:39:12	thurstylark	you can do both at once with `systemctl enable --start <unit>`
2021-10-31 07:39:17	thurstylark	er
2021-10-31 07:39:19	thurstylark	--now
2021-10-31 07:39:25	thurstylark	--start wtf
2021-10-31 07:39:38	icy_hot	thurstylark hmm never knew that
2021-10-31 07:39:40	⚡ 	thurstylark should stop with the background videos :P
2021-10-31 07:40:03	icy_hot	lol you're not the only one distracted
2021-10-31 07:40:04	Scisista	yep, started the service now
2021-10-31 07:40:08	Scisista	what's next?
2021-10-31 07:40:22	Scisista	after executing the command
2021-10-31 07:40:22	icy_hot	you did both right? start and enable?
2021-10-31 07:40:27	Scisista	yeah
2021-10-31 07:40:34	NetSysFire	pro tip: enable --now
2021-10-31 07:40:36	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-10-31 07:40:43	Scisista	yeah, did that already
2021-10-31 07:40:52	thurstylark	what did you start?
2021-10-31 07:41:18	Scisista	iwd
2021-10-31 07:41:34	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Iwd#Usage
2021-10-31 07:41:35	phrik	Title: iwd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-31 07:42:38	thurstylark	it may also be prudent to ask what you're going to be using for network config
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2021-10-31 07:42:51	Scisista	it doesn't detect my USB adapter though
2021-10-31 07:43:04	thurstylark	does your adapter show up in the output of `ip a`?
2021-10-31 07:43:16	Scisista	yeah
2021-10-31 07:43:22	Scisista	it's wlan0
2021-10-31 07:44:14	Scisista	connecting to it via dhcpcd gave the "Waiting for carrier... Timed out" however
2021-10-31 07:44:29	thurstylark	yeah, iwd does the carrier thing
2021-10-31 07:44:53	thurstylark	does it show up as hard or soft blocked in the output of `rfkill list`?
2021-10-31 07:45:07	low-key	i can get restic to get my password specified using the environment variable RESTIC_PASSWORD_COMMAND as long as I've actually run the command once myself but if i've not then it just gives me "gpg: decryption failed: No secret key"
2021-10-31 07:45:10	low-key	what might be going on?
2021-10-31 07:45:36	Scisista	nope, rfkill list doesn't show anything
2021-10-31 07:46:13	thurstylark	really?
2021-10-31 07:46:18	Scisista	yeah
2021-10-31 07:46:22	⚡ 	thurstylark hasn't heard that one before
2021-10-31 07:48:28	Scisista	apparently people do have the same problem as mine
2021-10-31 07:48:46	thurstylark	what is listed as the driver for your card in the output of `lsusb -t`?
2021-10-31 07:48:48	Scisista	I'll continue searching, then if I find a solution I'll tell you all
2021-10-31 07:49:05	icy_hot	Scisista I vaguely remember using creating a file and setting it somewhere in /etc?
2021-10-31 07:49:12	icy_hot	It's at the tip of my tongue
2021-10-31 07:49:13	Scisista	wait me a bit thurstylark
2021-10-31 07:49:20	thurstylark	er, I guess, I'm assuming a usb card here
2021-10-31 07:49:33	thurstylark	`lspci -k` if it's pci instead
2021-10-31 07:50:44	icy_hot	Scisista https://termbin.com/m871x
2021-10-31 07:51:31	jason1234	how to install dhcpcd + wpa_supplicant with pacman?
2021-10-31 07:51:31	icy_hot	try creating a file like that, then put those two lines in it
2021-10-31 07:51:55	thurstylark	!give jason1234 pacman rosetta
2021-10-31 07:51:56	phrik	jason1234: Say what?
2021-10-31 07:52:00	thurstylark	!give jason1234 aw pacman rosetta
2021-10-31 07:52:01	phrik	jason1234: Pacman rosetta - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman_rosetta
2021-10-31 07:53:02	Scisista	http://imgur.com/a/nWL2xEf output of lsusb -t
2021-10-31 07:53:04	phrik	Title: lsusb -t output - Album on Imgur (at imgur.com)
2021-10-31 07:53:23	thurstylark	no card
2021-10-31 07:53:29	thurstylark	where iz wifi
2021-10-31 07:53:50	thurstylark	can't do wifi with no wifi hardware connected :P
2021-10-31 07:53:50	Scisista	don't know!
2021-10-31 07:54:00	NetSysFire	!kernelcheck
2021-10-31 07:54:02	phrik	compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2021-10-31 07:54:03	thurstylark	^
2021-10-31 07:54:52	Scisista	all same: 5.14.14-arch1-1
2021-10-31 07:55:13	thurstylark	it's plugged in? got blinkinlights or something to confirm it's powered?
2021-10-31 07:55:24	Scisista	yes for both
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2021-10-31 07:56:01	Scisista	the light is not blinking unless I use 'dhcpcd wlan0', but it only blinked once, then shuts down
2021-10-31 07:56:47	thurstylark	ok, so unplug it, start `journalctl -f`, hit return a couple times to give you a visual line break, and plug it back in. it should print stuff to your terminal that's relevant to the device
2021-10-31 07:58:58	Scisista	http://imgur.com/a/M6eKWio here's the logs of journalctl -f
2021-10-31 07:59:00	phrik	Title: journalctl -f logs - Album on Imgur (at imgur.com)
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2021-10-31 07:59:33	icy_hot	Do you not have a DE yet Scisista?
2021-10-31 07:59:38	Scisista	yeah
2021-10-31 07:59:39	thurstylark	woah
2021-10-31 07:59:41	thurstylark	hang on
2021-10-31 07:59:50	thurstylark	systemd-networkd had control of that already
2021-10-31 07:59:50	Scisista	cause no internet
2021-10-31 08:00:01	thurstylark	oh wait that's ethernet
2021-10-31 08:00:05	thurstylark	weird
2021-10-31 08:00:22	thurstylark	nvm, that's unrelated
2021-10-31 08:00:23	Scisista	yeah, but I don't know how to configure systemd-networkd for my wlan0
2021-10-31 08:05:05	thurstylark	does it show up in lsusb now?
2021-10-31 08:05:05	Scisista	yeah
2021-10-31 08:05:05	thurstylark	what driver is listed?
2021-10-31 08:05:05	Scisista	"Realtek Semi blah blah blah RTL8188EUS 802.11n Wireless Network Adapter"
2021-10-31 08:05:05	NetSysFire	thats not a driver
2021-10-31 08:05:05	Scisista	yeah, it's the name of the adapter
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2021-10-31 08:05:05	ℹ 	artefact_ es conocido ahora como artefact
2021-10-31 08:05:05	Scisista	I installed the driver already
2021-10-31 08:05:05	Scisista	the chipset is RTL8188EUS
2021-10-31 08:05:47	thurstylark	in the output of `lsusb -k` there is a field that says "Driver=<string>" 
2021-10-31 08:05:51	thurstylark	I'm asking for that string
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2021-10-31 08:06:12	thurstylark	(for the usb device in question, of course)
2021-10-31 08:06:29	Scisista	-k is an invalid option though
2021-10-31 08:06:35	thurstylark	sorry, -t
2021-10-31 08:06:58	⚡ 	thurstylark wishes lsusb and lspci options were directly compatible
2021-10-31 08:07:47	Scisista	http://imgur.com/a/ZJklstE here you go
2021-10-31 08:07:48	phrik	Title: lsusb -t - Album on Imgur (at imgur.com)
2021-10-31 08:08:20	thurstylark	r8188eu is the answer
2021-10-31 08:08:41	teraflops	ouch realtek
2021-10-31 08:09:06	thurstylark	so it shows up now, what does iwd have to say about it?
2021-10-31 08:09:41	Scisista	still nothing
2021-10-31 08:10:28	thurstylark	it doesn't show up when you run `iwctl device list`?
2021-10-31 08:10:49	Scisista	yeah
2021-10-31 08:13:53	teraflops	I think the right driver is in the aur
2021-10-31 08:14:04	teraflops	I think/iirc
2021-10-31 08:14:16	teraflops	!aursearch 8188eu
2021-10-31 08:14:17	phrik	Searching AUR packages... https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?K=8188eu
2021-10-31 08:14:37	Scisista	I do have that installed
2021-10-31 08:15:06	teraflops	another rtl nightmare
2021-10-31 08:15:06	Scisista	but Arch detected my device as an Ethernet adapter instead
2021-10-31 08:15:24	thurstylark	module's installed, it's got hold of the hardware, just not showing up in iwd :/
2021-10-31 08:17:00	Scisista	what if I tried wpa_supplicant instead?
2021-10-31 08:17:57	teraflops	Scisista: before installing the driver, did your arch setup detect the device, perhaps you need to blacklist the kernel driver
2021-10-31 08:18:08	Scisista	hmm, no?
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2021-10-31 08:18:14	Scisista	nope
2021-10-31 08:21:33	Scisista	let me try blacklist the AUR driver
2021-10-31 08:22:02	Scisista	I think I have 2 of those drivers for my Realtek USB adapter
2021-10-31 08:22:08	teraflops	I meant the opposite actually ;)
2021-10-31 08:22:16	Scisista	one is from AUR and doesn't work
2021-10-31 08:22:26	Scisista	and one is from GitHub, and it works
2021-10-31 08:22:28	teraflops	blcklist the intree kernel driver
2021-10-31 08:22:42	Scisista	which one?
2021-10-31 08:23:19	teraflops	excuse me i was late to the party, if you do already have a working driver what's the issue?
2021-10-31 08:23:23	thurstylark	there's not an in-tree, the choice is apparently between the aur package and whatever this git thing was
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2021-10-31 08:23:30	teraflops	ah thanks
2021-10-31 08:24:13	teraflops	so what you want is to have dkms?
2021-10-31 08:24:19	teraflops	Scisista ^
2021-10-31 08:25:28	◣	bhava (~bhava@89.36.78.10) ha salido (Quit: Connection closed)
2021-10-31 08:25:30	Scisista	the AUR driver is the dkms one teraflops
2021-10-31 08:25:43	thurstylark	and where did the other driver come from?
2021-10-31 08:26:02	teraflops	yeah, so if you have 2 drivers installed try to backlist the git one then try with the aur one
2021-10-31 08:26:17	Scisista	https://github.com/lwfinger/rtl8188eu from here
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2021-10-31 08:27:04	teraflops	the git ones has dkms as welll
2021-10-31 08:27:07	teraflops	one^
2021-10-31 08:27:27	thurstylark	that's packaged here: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/8188eu-dkms-git/
2021-10-31 08:27:29	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - 8188eu-dkms-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-10-31 08:27:38	thurstylark	is this the aur package that you said didn't work?
2021-10-31 08:27:53	thurstylark	because it's the same thing
2021-10-31 08:28:16	teraflops	the aur package indeed is the same driver
2021-10-31 08:28:19	Scisista	hmm, wait me a sec
2021-10-31 08:28:21	teraflops	at least same git repo
2021-10-31 08:28:33	thurstylark	fair
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2021-10-31 08:28:41	teraflops	lets see what does the pkgbuild
2021-10-31 08:28:57	Scisista	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/8188eu-dkms/ I think I installed this, plus the above dkms
2021-10-31 08:28:58	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - 8188eu-dkms (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-10-31 08:29:54	thurstylark	yeah, I'd say remove the manually installed driver *and* the aur driver, and switch to aur/8188eu-dkms-git
2021-10-31 08:30:02	teraflops	indeed
2021-10-31 08:30:04	Scisista	how to?
2021-10-31 08:30:15	Scisista	nvm let me search google
2021-10-31 08:30:18	thurstylark	yeh
2021-10-31 08:30:21	teraflops	also there's a blacklist file shipped with the aur one
2021-10-31 08:31:01	thurstylark	there's an uninstall target in the makefile
2021-10-31 08:31:07	thurstylark	I'd use that
2021-10-31 08:31:21	thurstylark	and uninstalling the aur package is done like any other pacman package
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2021-10-31 08:34:02	Scisista	great, the manually installed package does not have any instructions about how to uninstall
2021-10-31 08:34:35	teraflops	Sudo make uninstall doesn't work?
2021-10-31 08:35:07	Scisista	yeah, there's no files for sudo make uninstall to execute
2021-10-31 08:35:52	Scisista	actually, never mind
2021-10-31 08:36:01	Scisista	I was looking at the wrong folder
2021-10-31 08:37:58	Scisista	it seems like the driver is still there though
2021-10-31 08:38:24	teraflops	where?
2021-10-31 08:38:52	Scisista	I removed both the AUR package and the Git package, and lsusb still said that the driver is r8188eu
2021-10-31 08:40:13	Scisista	wait, it somehow worked?
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2021-10-31 10:54:03	jason1234	the package manager of slackware is today and was the best one for whole linux ecosystem., he did good job and he keeps on. 
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2021-10-31 10:54:08	evilop	debian 1.0 took a few years
2021-10-31 10:54:12	alad	lol
2021-10-31 10:54:45	evilop	jason1234: which is why many people on slackware doesn't use it, but use one of the many third party package managers instead :p
2021-10-31 10:55:01	evilop	its too good for them
2021-10-31 10:55:04	jason1234	no idea why at pixart they didnt try to copy BSD systems, rather than cloning I dont know which kind of unix.
2021-10-31 10:55:06	evilop	so they want to suffer
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2021-10-31 10:55:37	alad	writing slackbuilds is like a rite of passage, similar to those freshmen at university suffer through
2021-10-31 10:55:43	jason1234	bloat versus cleaneesss .. we have choice.
2021-10-31 10:56:05	alad	anyway, #archlinux-offtopic
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2021-10-31 10:56:20	jason1234	tar xvpfz base.tgz <-- tghis is how we should think, alike BSD does since ages.
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2021-10-31 11:05:22	teraflops	wait, slackware has a package manager?
2021-10-31 11:05:52	evilop	yes
2021-10-31 11:06:00	evilop	it just doesn't do any dependency handling
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2021-10-31 11:27:12	chkktri	just to confirm, was my question off-topic here?
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2021-10-31 11:27:30	ℹ 	xoan8 es conocido ahora como xoan
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2021-10-31 11:28:13	Franciman	how do I tell the kernel that my driver is legit, even if it says that it is not signed?
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2021-10-31 11:30:38	alad	chkktri: I don't know about your question, but intrinsics of slackware and the supposed superiority thereof, is definitely offtopic
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2021-10-31 11:31:29	chkktri	alad, sigh, okay, any ideas where can I read about current linux distros startup models then?
2021-10-31 11:32:39	chkktri	it just doesn't make sense that after login systemd still knows nothing about user session, PAM module is here, login default are configured
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2021-10-31 11:33:24	alad	if you overwrote half your arch with gentoo stage3, I'd consider to reinstall 
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2021-10-31 11:35:05	chkktri	this system survived since 2012, migrating from one hardware from another, even after migrating to and from ARM
2021-10-31 11:35:11	chkktri	surely there is a way, haha
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2021-10-31 11:36:45	chkktri	(it is also full of local packages being rebuilt for more modern libraries every system upgrade, hence considering moving to gentoo)
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2021-10-31 11:38:22	evilop	reinstall all the packages and then handfix every config that got overwritten
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2021-10-31 11:38:28	⚡ 	evilop assumes chkktri have no backups
2021-10-31 11:38:55	evilop	unpack the stage3 in a dir to see just what it overwrote
2021-10-31 11:39:30	evilop	(and you are not a real gentoo user if you don't stage1 install :p)
2021-10-31 11:39:30	chkktri	ah, makes sense, never thought explicitly comparing it
2021-10-31 11:40:03	chkktri	(I need a specific system to work, not play with bootstrap)
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2021-10-31 11:43:29	ℹ 	Jupelius_ es conocido ahora como Jupelius
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2021-10-31 11:47:01	chkktri	ah, so manually starting e.g. user@1000 creates proper user session namespace which works after logging in again
2021-10-31 11:47:04	chkktri	good, good
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2021-10-31 12:10:57	Namarrgon	Franciman: how did you enable signature verification?
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2021-10-31 12:11:37	Franciman	uhm I think I did not, but if I replace the ath10k_core.ko module
2021-10-31 12:11:40	Franciman	with my compiled version
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2021-10-31 12:11:53	Franciman	I read in dmesg that the kernel is tainted
2021-10-31 12:12:02	Franciman	and the module does not get loaded
2021-10-31 12:12:09	Namarrgon	did you sign the module?
2021-10-31 12:12:11	Franciman	ah wait, not just ath10k_core.ko but all the three
2021-10-31 12:12:13	Franciman	I did not
2021-10-31 12:12:25	Namarrgon	are you using the stock linux kernel from the arch repos?
2021-10-31 12:12:48	Franciman	I am using the ath mirror, but I use the config from arch
2021-10-31 12:12:58	Namarrgon	"ath mirror"?
2021-10-31 12:13:01	Franciman	sure
2021-10-31 12:13:03	Franciman	wait
2021-10-31 12:13:08	Namarrgon	what is that?
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2021-10-31 12:13:29	Franciman	git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/kvalo/ath.git
2021-10-31 12:13:40	Franciman	I am writing a patch for this driver, so I need to use this version
2021-10-31 12:13:46	Franciman	for the ath10k driver*
2021-10-31 12:14:15	Namarrgon	but you're trying to load the module into a stock arch kernel, right?
2021-10-31 12:14:20	Franciman	yap!
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2021-10-31 12:14:26	Namarrgon	which one?
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2021-10-31 12:14:41	Franciman	5.13.5-arch1-1
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2021-10-31 12:15:21	Namarrgon	why is it this moldy version?
2021-10-31 12:15:34	Franciman	no idea lol, should I update?
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2021-10-31 12:15:49	Namarrgon	you should always update before you report issues
2021-10-31 12:15:59	Franciman	oh well I did update
2021-10-31 12:16:08	Namarrgon	aside from that, arch's kernels don#t enforce signature verification
2021-10-31 12:16:21	Franciman	so I must be doing something wrong
2021-10-31 12:16:32	Namarrgon	yes, it's most likely something else
2021-10-31 12:16:35	Franciman	Namarrgon: this bug is really old, it was introduced around kernel 4.16
2021-10-31 12:16:47	Franciman	and it is in the firmware
2021-10-31 12:16:55	Franciman	I mean, they changed a data representation of a structure
2021-10-31 12:17:06	Franciman	the firmware should deal with this grecefully
2021-10-31 12:17:14	Franciman	but it looks like it is bugged
2021-10-31 12:18:51	Franciman	anyways thanks a lot!
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2021-10-31 12:19:27	Namarrgon	the tainting is normal, crank up the debug level to see why it's really not loading the module
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2021-10-31 12:19:33	Namarrgon	update the kernel first, though
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2021-10-31 12:21:14	Franciman	thanks
2021-10-31 12:21:56	Franciman	I can't wait to get this bug fixed, so I can finally use wifi 5ghz
2021-10-31 12:21:58	Franciman	lol
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2021-10-31 12:29:49	Fr0stBit	Hello guys
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2021-10-31 12:30:18	Fr0stBit	Should k10temp driver be loaded automatically, or should I add it to /etc/modules-load.d/
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2021-10-31 12:37:05	dostoyevsky2	How can I see when was the last time "pacman -Syu" was executed?  Is there a file where I could look at the modification time?
2021-10-31 12:38:04	thrice	pacman log?
2021-10-31 12:38:12	thrice	not the time stamp, but inside the log
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2021-10-31 12:38:55	evilop	Fr0stBit: the former, but it won't hurt to do the later
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2021-10-31 12:39:38	Fr0stBit	evilop: I discovered that k10temp was not loaded automatically
2021-10-31 12:39:42	dostoyevsky2	how about the modification time of /var/lib/pacman/sync/core.db?
2021-10-31 12:39:58	thrice	it's possible to sync that, but not update the system
2021-10-31 12:39:58	evilop	dostoyevsky2: that doesn't tell you when you did -u
2021-10-31 12:40:08	Fr0stBit	evilop: But If I load it it works
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2021-10-31 12:43:05	edgy	Hi, I see in testing nvidia 495 which is supposed to work with wayland, does this apply to hybrid graphics?
2021-10-31 12:43:27	evilop	yes
2021-10-31 12:43:44	evilop	why not prime though?
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2021-10-31 12:44:13	evilop	use the igp for desktop and everything and just offload for games/whatever
2021-10-31 12:44:29	jirido	where can I find pulse audio suport
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2021-10-31 12:45:18	edgy	evilop: then I would love to test it, which wiki should I follow?
2021-10-31 12:45:34	evilop	there are still some unfixed bugs when it comes to offloading though
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2021-10-31 12:45:42	evilop	mainly with vulcan games
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2021-10-31 12:45:55	evilop	xwaland+vulcan that is
2021-10-31 12:46:02	edgy	evilop: without offloading how can I test? I don't have an external monitor connected
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2021-10-31 12:46:25	evilop	https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/glitches-with-nvidia-driver-470-optimus-render-offload-on-xwayland-with-vulkan-games/185278/10
2021-10-31 12:46:26	phrik	Title: Glitches with nvidia driver 470 (optimus render offload) on xwayland with vulkan games - #10 by lveitas956 - Linux - NVIDIA Developer Forums (at forums.developer.nvidia.com)
2021-10-31 12:46:57	evilop	surprised that it actually got a reply from a nvidia dev, that is pretty rare
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2021-10-31 12:48:57	edgy	evilop: first, I tried to boot, but got stuck in the boot screen, I am using kde, I couldn't even see sddm, I assume that it's working but output to the hdmi port which is not connected, then I tried xrandr --setprovideroutputsource modesetting NVIDIA-0 in XSetup but that is xorg command after all, so I am lost how to test
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2021-10-31 12:50:52	edgy	evilop: then I blacklist all nvidia modules and after booting ried manually,  sudo modprobe nvidia
2021-10-31 12:50:54	edgy	modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia': No such device
2021-10-31 12:51:11	edgy	definitely I am missing a basic thing
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2021-10-31 12:53:27	evilop	if what you want to offload doesn't do support wayland anyway there will be no difference for you 
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2021-10-31 12:53:57	evilop	s/do//
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2021-10-31 12:58:14	edgy	evilop: my understanding to offload is to take the nvidia output and display it on my laptop monitor so I don't need external monitor, am I wrong? I don't want to play games or any thing fany now, just want my desktop running on nvidia displayed on my laptop monitor
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2021-10-31 12:59:18	evilop	can't you enable the output in <insert whatever wm/de you are running> ?
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2021-10-31 12:59:27	evilop	is this one of those silly broken gaming laptops?
2021-10-31 12:59:58	edgy	evilop: this acer predator helios 300, I am not sure what broken gaming laptops are
2021-10-31 13:00:18	evilop	that is one
2021-10-31 13:00:19	edgy	evilop: but wait I now remember I disabled nvidia card somehow ages ago
2021-10-31 13:00:27	evilop	a stereotypical gaming laptop even
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2021-10-31 13:01:14	evilop	what are you connecting it to?
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2021-10-31 13:03:02	edgy	evilop: not connecting it to any thing, is that stupid?
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2021-10-31 13:03:20	edgy	evilop: I now found I have /etc/tmpfiles.d/acpi_call.conf
2021-10-31 13:03:22	edgy	w /proc/acpi/call - - - - \\_SB.PCI0.PEG0.PEGP._OFF
2021-10-31 13:03:35	edgy	evilop: which disables nvidia card altogether
2021-10-31 13:03:36	evilop	edgy: why would you want the desktop to be rendered on nvidia then?
2021-10-31 13:03:49	evilop	only thing that will do is eat your battery
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2021-10-31 13:04:25	evilop	I tought you wanted to use the hdmi out
2021-10-31 13:04:42	edgy	evilop: I thought I can make it run in nvidia but display in my laptop monitor which is connected to intel by using prime offlaod
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2021-10-31 13:05:03	evilop	that works using prime offload
2021-10-31 13:05:05	edgy	evilop: isn't this what prime-run for
2021-10-31 13:05:22	edgy	evilop: yes but prime offload is for X not wayland, no?
2021-10-31 13:05:35	evilop	supported on wayland too, kinda
2021-10-31 13:06:38	edgy	evilop: then why do you think my setup is broken?
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2021-10-31 13:07:30	evilop	did you try to simply prime-run whatever?
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2021-10-31 13:09:42	edgy	evilop: Umm! let me remove that acpi_call to enable nvidia and reboot and check prime-run, ....
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2021-10-31 13:09:52	⚡ 	edgy will be back soon
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2021-10-31 13:10:00	evilop	or the env vars
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2021-10-31 13:11:51	Franciman	Trying to update sway, but I get that the signing key of Brett Cornwall is not trustworhy
2021-10-31 13:11:53	Franciman	what's up?
2021-10-31 13:12:31	evilop	sway from the repos or aur?
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2021-10-31 13:12:35	Franciman	repos
2021-10-31 13:12:49	Franciman	ohh I solved
2021-10-31 13:12:49	evilop	-S archliunux-keyring && -Su sway
2021-10-31 13:12:52	Franciman	I had to insta-- yeah
2021-10-31 13:12:54	Franciman	thanks
2021-10-31 13:12:56	Franciman	:D
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2021-10-31 13:18:18	Foxboron	you are doing partial updates. Please update your entire system
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2021-10-31 13:20:57	teraflops	will sway devs remove the silly nvidia message now that nvidia supports wayland?
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2021-10-31 13:23:14	evilop	doubt it
2021-10-31 13:23:25	edgy	evilop: Hi, you are right, I can run prime-run find in wayland
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2021-10-31 13:24:01	edgy	evilop: so the new driver mainly supported external monitors in wayland, right?
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2021-10-31 16:38:47	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2021-10-31 16:38:47	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1322 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1321 normals)
2021-10-31 14:44:15	HebusLeTroll	phrik: xD
2021-10-31 14:44:16	phrik	HebusLeTroll: Eh?
2021-10-31 14:44:53	CarloWood	Owls have stiff necks too.
2021-10-31 14:47:46	HebusLeTroll	So sharing /home/fred/test works fine, but sharing /test results in a "cannot access" error from Windows client, while mount.cifs is able to mount it but throws a "Permission denied" when trying to access the mount point...
2021-10-31 14:48:41	HebusLeTroll	I don't remeber having such issue when I configured samba on my previous server :/
2021-10-31 14:54:35	HebusLeTroll	h4rd3n3D_: (here are the permissions. BTW I've just ) drwxrwx---   1 fred fred   32 31 oct.  14:25 test
2021-10-31 14:54:57	HebusLeTroll	I've only did "mv /home/fred/test /test" (and changed the path in smb.conf)
2021-10-31 15:02:40	HebusLeTroll	h4rd3n3D_: yes : drwxrwx---   1 fred fred   32 31 oct.  14:25 test 
2021-10-31 15:08:52	jirido	Is guake a serious terminal emulator? I would need a tabbed dropdown emulator with osc 52 support
2021-10-31 15:12:28	another|	jirido: been using it for years
2021-10-31 15:12:49	another|	though not sure what osc 52 is
2021-10-31 15:15:30	jirido	Me too and it worked well so far but now.. yeah osc 52 suddenly seams like a solution to clipboard hell .. well it is operating system characters 52. that is a system for using something called escape secuenses to automaticaly carry copied or cut text between applications and over ssh
2021-10-31 15:16:40	jirido	One need the whole chain to suport it thou. many terminal emulators do and tmux and screen also, but now.. I suspect guake dont
2021-10-31 16:11:30	jirido	Is the normal clipboard used in x tied to x, the desktop envirinment or the desktop manager
2021-10-31 16:12:41	enyc	jirido: I believe, there are different simultaneous systems alas
2021-10-31 16:13:10	enyc	jirido: the X11 middle-mouse-button paste is not alwasy the same as  ''copy'' and ''paste'' functions
2021-10-31 16:13:25	enyc	jirido: [I have had cases where I have taken advantage of having both, separately...]
2021-10-31 16:13:36	jirido	Yea that i know, primary
2021-10-31 16:13:39	enyc	jirido: I guess it depends what you mean by  ''normal clipboard'' specifically, and others may help/discuss!
2021-10-31 16:14:42	rcf	jirido: those are defined in the lovely ICCCM for X11. 
2021-10-31 16:14:51	jirido	I think of sharing the select buffer with the terminal emulator via osc 52
2021-10-31 16:15:42	rcf	jirido: there are actually many more shared buffers than primary and clipboard but nobody uses them anymore. For Wayland, there is one clipboard in the core protocol, with an additional selection buffer as an extension that most support. 
2021-10-31 16:21:05	jirido	Im looking to find a way to sync the "clipboard", not the "primary" or any other with my terminal emulator via osc 52 and via the terminal emulator sync with the terminal in my shell  and the instance of screen i run there. So I looking for a dropdown tabed emulator supporting osc52 and a way that it also can get access to clipings I have made in programs running in x11.
2021-10-31 16:23:22	jirido	I have fucked around with xclip and what not all on that strange userland-arch-proot instalation I have on my pad..  
2021-10-31 16:24:02	jirido	still nothing sync and I start to loose hair
2021-10-31 16:38:47	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-10-31 16:58:57	dostoyevsky2	I wonder why my one arch server has time sync and the other hasn't... should that be visible in the systemctl services?  I thought it would be systemd-timesyncd.service but it's disabled on both servers...
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2021-10-31 17:03:14	mingdao	dostoyevsky2: ntp ?
2021-10-31 17:03:52	mingdao	ntpd.service
2021-10-31 17:04:10	mingdao	systemctl list-unit-files|grep ntp
2021-10-31 17:05:27	umaxtu	timedatectl should tell you if ntp is enabled
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2021-10-31 17:06:47	mingdao	umaxtu: What it timedatectl tells you "System clock synchronized: yes" and "NTP service: inactive" ?  What does that indicate?
2021-10-31 17:06:53	mingdao	s/it/if
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2021-10-31 17:07:16	dostoyevsky2	timedatectl tells me I don't have ntp either... strange that the server can keep the time at 0.02 offset, according to ntpdate
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2021-10-31 17:07:54	mingdao	dostoyevsky2: Did `systemctl list-unit-files|grep systemd-timesyncd.service`  tell you it's disabled?
2021-10-31 17:08:02	umaxtu	hmm. I'm not sure. what happens if you run timedatectl net-ntp true?
2021-10-31 17:08:07	dostoyevsky2	mingdao: yeah
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2021-10-31 17:10:32	mingdao	dostoyevsky2: I have no Arch servers, and those I do control use ntpd.service.  My Arch worstation has systemd-timesyncd.service enabled, but I did not manually enable it.  Suppose some software did duiring install without me knowing.
2021-10-31 17:10:47	mingdao	Or it's something from Gnome settings.
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2021-10-31 17:11:50	mingdao	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/systemd-timesyncd
2021-10-31 17:11:51	phrik	Title: systemd-timesyncd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-10-31 17:11:58	teraflops	dostoyevsky2: if server is on sync and no ntp services enabled it's just luck
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2021-10-31 17:12:09	teraflops	go enable it and be done with that I guess
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2021-10-31 17:12:37	mingdao	Good roll of the dice.  Until next weekend, for some parts of the world, when the daylight manipulation happens.
2021-10-31 17:12:55	dostoyevsky2	Yeah, I've enabled chrony now... then timedatectl also tells me that my clock is now synchronized
2021-10-31 17:12:56	thrice	systemd handles that without timesyncd, right?
2021-10-31 17:13:09	mingdao	If so, how?
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2021-10-31 17:15:55	thrice	I assume built-in to tzdata.  My clock always changes instantly, and I don't have the service running/enabled
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2021-10-31 17:17:14	dostoyevsky2	Now ntpdate only show a -0.002 offset so it became one decimal point better
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2021-10-31 17:23:34	Nomeji	Hi, everyone, I'm trying to archive archlinux install with raid5 mdadm + lvm + luks (in that order) and I cannot find what to put in GRUB_CMDLINX_LINUX. RAID documentation says to put root=/dev/md/MyRAIDArray but LVM one says to put root=/dev/vg-name/lv-name. How can I set both?
2021-10-31 17:24:23	Nomeji	I would like to assemble raid first, then to open lvm, then unlock luks
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2021-10-31 17:30:19	teraflops	Nomeji: what will find grub first, the raid or the lvm?
2021-10-31 17:30:35	Nomeji	raid first
2021-10-31 17:30:49	teraflops	then install it like any other raid
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2021-10-31 17:31:28	Nomeji	teraflops: I don't have to care about lvm ?
2021-10-31 17:32:12	teraflops	I don't think so, at least regarding the bootloader
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2021-10-31 17:33:02	Nomeji	okay here is what my config looks like now: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="root=/dev/md/jyn cryptdevice=/dev/volgroup/root:cryptroot"
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2021-10-31 17:33:48	Nomeji	I feel like it's missing the lvm part for grub to find /dev/volgroup
2021-10-31 17:33:57	Nomeji	but I'll try anyway
2021-10-31 17:34:02	teraflops	what's in your fstab?
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2021-10-31 17:35:14	Nomeji	teraflops: http://ix.io/3DuZ
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2021-10-31 17:36:22	Betal	was nvidia package wrong pushed?
2021-10-31 17:36:35	teraflops	yeah go test it by rebooting, you can always fix it 
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2021-10-31 17:36:42	Betal	can't
2021-10-31 17:36:54	Betal	newer nvidia is for linux that still in testing
2021-10-31 17:36:55	teraflops	I was talking to Nomeji ;)
2021-10-31 17:37:02	Betal	teraflops: sorry :)
2021-10-31 17:37:08	teraflops	nah np
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2021-10-31 17:38:29	teraflops	Betal: what do you mean, that newer nvidia package is on stable repos rather than being in testing?
2021-10-31 17:38:52	Betal	teraflops: https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commits/packages/nvidia/trunk
2021-10-31 17:39:29	Betal	you can see here ( https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/nvidia/ ) that nvidia is on 495.44-2
2021-10-31 17:39:31	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - nvidia 495.44-2 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2021-10-31 17:39:57	Betal	but linux ( https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/linux/ ) still on 5.14.14
2021-10-31 17:39:59	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - linux 5.14.14.arch1-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2021-10-31 17:40:01	teraflops	maybe your repo is not fully synched
2021-10-31 17:40:18	Betal	teraflops: I don't understand why this is a repo problem
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2021-10-31 17:42:39	thrice	what's your -Syu output, Betal ?
2021-10-31 17:42:47	Betal	teraflops: what I mean = the kernal that nvidia package wants isn't in the repos at all
2021-10-31 17:43:02	teraflops	it is for me
2021-10-31 17:44:07	⚡ 	thrice doesn't see a versioned dep in the nvidia package?
2021-10-31 17:44:19	teraflops	pacman -S nvidia and linux are 470.74-10 and 5.14.14.arch1
2021-10-31 17:44:29	Betal	thrice: pacman -Qi https://bpa.st/raw/UOWQ , "there is nothing to do" for pacman -Syu
2021-10-31 17:44:59	teraflops	Betal: so what is the output of pacman -Ss nvidia and pacman -sS linux?
2021-10-31 17:44:59	thrice	then, what's the problem?
2021-10-31 17:45:11	thrice	nvidia just depends on "linux"
2021-10-31 17:45:21	Betal	thrice: but nvidia only works with a given linux version
2021-10-31 17:45:27	thrice	not always
2021-10-31 17:45:53	thrice	at least, afaik, it doesn't require a rebuild *every* kernel update, just when abi breaks
2021-10-31 17:46:16	Betal	teraflops: https://bpa.st/raw/NANQ
2021-10-31 17:46:37	Namarrgon	the package needs a rebuild for every kernel update since the kernel version is encoded in the modules directory
2021-10-31 17:46:46	cmm11	you'll have an easier time using the dkms package
2021-10-31 17:46:58	teraflops	yeah btw
2021-10-31 17:47:00	Betal	teraflops: pacman -Ss linux is giant output
2021-10-31 17:47:18	thrice	Betal: does it not work or something?
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2021-10-31 17:48:07	teraflops	well, my repo might be not synced or yours is till syncyng
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2021-10-31 17:48:23	⚡ 	teraflops tries with other repos
2021-10-31 17:48:25	Betal	teraflops: the repo iam using match the website
2021-10-31 17:48:44	teraflops	as in any repo I guess
2021-10-31 17:48:54	Namarrgon	heftig forgot to push 5.14.15 to [core]
2021-10-31 17:49:31	Betal	yes, so we have a 'nvidia' that don't match 'linux'
2021-10-31 17:49:32	thrice	aah, I see:  usr/lib/modules/5.14.15-arch1-1/extramodules/nvidia-drm.ko.xz
2021-10-31 17:49:38	thrice	sorry
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2021-10-31 17:50:04	teraflops	yeah now I get the same as you do Betal 
2021-10-31 17:50:14	teraflops	just wait I think
2021-10-31 17:50:19	Namarrgon	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/72593
2021-10-31 17:50:21	phrik	Title: FS#72593 : [nvidia] contains 5.14.15 module while linux 5.14.15 is still in testing (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2021-10-31 17:50:47	Betal	I wonder if we can get nvidia 495.44-1
2021-10-31 17:50:54	teraflops	so they push a new kernel or downgrade nvidia package?
2021-10-31 17:51:08	thrice	the kernel is in testing, it just needs to move
2021-10-31 17:51:12	teraflops	Betal: nvidia-dkms works very well here
2021-10-31 17:51:26	Betal	teraflops: good point
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2021-10-31 17:52:16	Nomeji	teraflops: it doesn't work, it says unkown filesystem LUKS for new_root. I think grub needs to cryptsetup open /dev/md/jyn in order to see lvm behind it
2021-10-31 17:54:12	susi	I guess it's initramfs's work to open it and ask for password
2021-10-31 17:54:13	Nomeji	I'll try this: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="cryptdevice=/dev/md/jyn root=/dev/volgroup/root"
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2021-10-31 17:54:17	teraflops	Nomeji: /boot is inside the encrypted lvm?
2021-10-31 17:54:21	Nomeji	nope
2021-10-31 17:54:44	Nomeji	unencrypted /boot on a sperate device
2021-10-31 17:55:27	Nomeji	grub boots fine, it's just that it cannot find the appropriate partition to boot one because it's behind luks I think
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2021-10-31 18:01:12	jimmy399	Hy everybody
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2021-10-31 18:01:44	Nomeji	"Encryption open '/dev/md/jyn' not known ignoring" what's that even mean?
2021-10-31 18:02:32	Nomeji	it's asking for password tho
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2021-10-31 18:05:23	mingdao	!give jimmy399 politewelcome
2021-10-31 18:05:25	phrik	jimmy399: Welcome to #archlinux - How can we help you?
2021-10-31 18:05:59	teraflops	and doing the other way around? GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="cryptdevice=/dev/mdwhatever:lvm root=/dev/mapper/root-vol" ?
2021-10-31 18:06:12	teraflops	Nomeji: ^
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2021-10-31 18:12:04	Nomeji	thx I'll try, I forgot the :mapper part on my first atempt
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2021-10-31 18:14:48	cmm11	what partitions are you using for your raid Nomeji ? as in /dev/sda1 etc
2021-10-31 18:15:02	Aryan	Hi
2021-10-31 18:15:16	Nomeji	teraflops: what's the difference between /dev/volgroup/root and /dev/mapper/volgroup-root ?
2021-10-31 18:15:17	Aryan	My new installed arch linux machine doesnt have any sounds
2021-10-31 18:15:31	Aryan	I just installed alsa-utils
2021-10-31 18:15:37	teraflops	it's just me not knowing how it's named there
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2021-10-31 18:15:56	Nomeji	I do have both tho
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2021-10-31 18:17:31	cmm11	GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="root=/dev/mapper/cryptroot cryptdevice=UUID=*:cryptroot rw md=0,/dev/sda2,/dev/sdb2 md=1,/dev/sda3,/dev/sdb3" i took that from a working RAID LVM LUKS install , with the UUID being the UUID of the device that has "TYPE="crypto_LUKS" in blkid output
2021-10-31 18:17:36	Nomeji	cmm11: here's my lsblk it should give you an idea on what I'm trying to archive http://ix.io/3Dva
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2021-10-31 18:18:15	cmm11	ah RAID5 , more fun lol
2021-10-31 18:18:32	Nomeji	yeah :)
2021-10-31 18:18:54	Nomeji	at least my /boot is not encrypted
2021-10-31 18:19:10	cmm11	yeah mine isn't
2021-10-31 18:19:30	teraflops	Nomeji: go with the /dev/mapper one I guess
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2021-10-31 18:21:05	teraflops	but I think it's the same
2021-10-31 18:21:21	das_j	Hi, it's that weird NixOS coreutils maintainer again. Just wanted to let you know about another coreutils bug which may cause corrupted data on ZFS when using cp. NixOS decided to patch it out of cp until fixed by the ZFS maintainers. Arch is the only other Distro I know of that also uses Coreutils 9.0
2021-10-31 18:22:01	das_j	All relevant links, including the ZFS issue, the coreutils issue, and our patch to remove the new behaviour from cp are here: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/143208
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2021-10-31 18:23:51	alad	zfs is not in the arch repos
2021-10-31 18:24:04	Foxboron	and this isn't where one report bugs :p
2021-10-31 18:24:32	cmm11	also Nomeji , you say /dev/md/jyn in irc, but your lsblk says /dev/md/127
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2021-10-31 18:24:39	das_j	Alright, sorry for disturbing the wrong rooms ;)
2021-10-31 18:25:12	Foxboron	das_j: Please do make report on bugs.archlinux.org, but patching bugs for unsupported stuff isn't really any priority on Arch side of things :p
2021-10-31 18:25:45	jelle	plenty people using zfs, so surely it is worth it
2021-10-31 18:25:59	Foxboron	jelle: thats for the coreutils maintainer to decide though
2021-10-31 18:26:08	⚡ 	jelle thinks Foxboron is too strict :)
2021-10-31 18:26:09	yamii	Is there any chance that the linux-mainline AUR package will move to official repos in the future?
2021-10-31 18:26:15	jelle	yamii: no
2021-10-31 18:26:19	Foxboron	jelle: nah, I have patched zfs issues with lxd before
2021-10-31 18:26:25	Foxboron	but it's not like I make it a priority
2021-10-31 18:26:28	yamii	jelle: why though?
2021-10-31 18:26:30	das_j	Yeah, of course it's not. It's a bit awkward since the problem is caused by the coreutils update (which is in the core repo) but the filesystem where the actualy bug is is in the AUR
2021-10-31 18:26:39	jelle	yamii: it's the rc release, why would we package that
2021-10-31 18:26:42	jelle	!give das_j bugs
2021-10-31 18:26:43	phrik	das_j: Bugs?! Arch Linux has no bugs! Oh.. wait.. https://bugs.archlinux.org
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2021-10-31 18:26:48	jelle	there is our bug tracker :)
2021-10-31 18:26:59	das_j	oh boy, I still might have an account there
2021-10-31 18:27:02	jelle	:)
2021-10-31 18:27:04	Foxboron	<3
2021-10-31 18:27:14	jelle	das_j: if you make a bug report, you can pm me the report I'll assign it
2021-10-31 18:27:25	Aryan	Can anybody help me make my machine recognize the soundcard?
2021-10-31 18:27:29	yamii	because it's popular and there seems to be a constant maintainer for it
2021-10-31 18:27:53	jelle	yamii: we don't package rc/beta software :)
2021-10-31 18:28:04	jelle	and certainly not another kernel :)
2021-10-31 18:28:29	Foxboron	yamii: There being a constant maintainer in the AUR doesn't imply there would be one in the repos.
2021-10-31 18:30:00	alad	another kernel ugh
2021-10-31 18:30:18	cmm11	why no kernel 4.20 package in main ?
2021-10-31 18:30:20	yamii	jelle: but there are other kernels besides plain linux in the official repos
2021-10-31 18:30:30	jelle	yamii: yes, we already have too many kernels
2021-10-31 18:30:31	teraflops	I like the 3.x ones
2021-10-31 18:30:55	jelle	linux-zen should be dropped in my opinion :)
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2021-10-31 18:31:49	alad	jelle++
2021-10-31 18:31:51	Velvet	why?
2021-10-31 18:31:59	jelle	Velvet: why should it exists :)
2021-10-31 18:32:12	Nomeji	teraflops: It did work with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="cryptdevice=/dev/md/jyn:cryptroot root=/dev/mapper/volgroup-root", thanks a lot for your help
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2021-10-31 18:32:21	teraflops	np glad to help
2021-10-31 18:32:31	Velvet	thats whati'm using...i read it was more optimized for games
2021-10-31 18:32:36	Velvet	just curious
2021-10-31 18:32:42	jelle	is it?
2021-10-31 18:32:49	⚡ 	teraflops smells placebo
2021-10-31 18:32:55	alad	it has that steam patch set
2021-10-31 18:32:59	alad	but meh
2021-10-31 18:33:01	teraflops	oh
2021-10-31 18:33:20	jelle	alad: oooo lol
2021-10-31 18:33:23	nihilazo	hi, since I last did a pacman -Syu I can no longer start my X server. I have an nvidia GPU and in the logs it says that it failed to initialise the nvidia kernel module and then "no screens found"
2021-10-31 18:33:33	jelle	I always disliked the random XYZ omg scheduler linux version
2021-10-31 18:33:51	Namarrgon	nihilazo: uname -r
2021-10-31 18:33:53	nihilazo	I've never had this issue before but it has arisen since my last update, I'm not sure when I last did an -Syu before this one
2021-10-31 18:34:39	nihilazo	Namarrgon: 5.14.14-arch1-1
2021-10-31 18:34:43	Namarrgon	nihilazo: -Syu again from an up­to-date mirror until you get 5.14.15
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2021-10-31 18:35:13	yamii	Oh, package guidlines even state that -rc is generally not allowed
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2021-10-31 18:35:40	jelle	yamii: yes :)
2021-10-31 18:35:40	nihilazo	wait, why would I have to syu twice
2021-10-31 18:35:48	nihilazo	but yes, 5.14.15 is downloading now
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2021-10-31 18:36:25	teraflops	becu¡ause yout nvidia driver is for the kernel that you are already downloading not for the one you are currently running
2021-10-31 18:36:26	nihilazo	I will return if the issue persists with that kernel
2021-10-31 18:36:37	nihilazo	oh
2021-10-31 18:36:48	nihilazo	huh, that has never caused an issue for me before in my years of using arch
2021-10-31 18:36:57	Namarrgon	you -Syu'ed at the wrong time
2021-10-31 18:37:09	teraflops	bad timing, the story of my life ;)
2021-10-31 18:37:29	nihilazo	wait, so just doing an update with bad timing can cause your entire shit to break? lol
2021-10-31 18:37:43	teraflops	not only that, but yes lol
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2021-10-31 18:38:11	Namarrgon	a maintainer also has to mess up
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2021-10-31 18:38:32	snek	did smth bad happen with kernel or nvidia or smth recently
2021-10-31 18:38:42	teraflops	nope :)
2021-10-31 18:38:43	Namarrgon	yes, -Syu again
2021-10-31 18:38:46	teraflops	haha
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2021-10-31 18:38:47	snek	neat ok
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2021-10-31 18:38:56	snek	so i can yeet dkms?
2021-10-31 18:39:11	jelle	snek: updated kernel was just pushed
2021-10-31 18:39:16	snek	cool
2021-10-31 18:39:32	snek	big spook
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2021-10-31 18:39:57	nihilazo	halloween suprise I guess
2021-10-31 18:40:05	nihilazo	your graphics card has been eaten by bug ghosts
2021-10-31 18:40:10	teraflops	🎃
2021-10-31 18:40:39	nihilazo	anyway thanks
2021-10-31 18:40:41	susi	are you excited about the new native ntfs driver
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2021-10-31 18:41:39	Velvet	friends dont let friends use windows
2021-10-31 18:41:55	snek	woo steam is opening again
2021-10-31 18:41:55	teraflops	is the le9 patch in the kernel? I read about it and it looks like black magick
2021-10-31 18:42:17	jelle	teraflops: le9?
2021-10-31 18:42:22	teraflops	2gb of ram and firefox with 20 tabs open and even more stuff
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2021-10-31 18:42:34	teraflops	for low memory devices
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2021-10-31 18:43:10	nihilazo	Velvet: friends don't let friends use linux either :P
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2021-10-31 18:43:16	snek	didn't google make le9 for chromebooks
2021-10-31 18:43:31	Foxboron	das_j: https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/packages?query=zfs :p
2021-10-31 18:43:32	phrik	Title: pkgstats.archlinux.de (at pkgstats.archlinux.de)
2021-10-31 18:43:39	teraflops	idk but it sounds amazing
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2021-10-31 18:45:51	das_j	Foxboron: How do I interpret that? What's the y axis?
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2021-10-31 18:48:36	Foxboron	das_j: 2.81% of everyone submitting stats to pkgstats have zfs installed :p
2021-10-31 18:48:46	Foxboron	which isn't "common" by any means
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2021-10-31 18:49:55	das_j	Most people that I know personally who are using arch are also using zfs, that was my only data point
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2021-10-31 18:50:36	Foxboron	Yeah that is not representative at all
2021-10-31 18:50:38	lavaball	/ encrypted. grub boot loader. works fine, but takes quite a while to boot. i have the encrypt hook, because i don't think i use systemd init, but then i wouldn't know. system runs fine, just takes long to boot. anything i can do about that?
2021-10-31 18:51:24	lavaball	maybe because i use serpent-xts which is a lot slower than aes-xts according to the benchmark.
2021-10-31 18:51:29	lavaball	still, it really take a long time ...
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2021-10-31 18:54:50	yamii	why is there only 99,8% for pacman in that stats
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2021-10-31 18:55:11	teraflops	because I have a pacman ad-blocker
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2021-10-31 18:56:03	Foxboron	yamii: the stats are not 100% reliable
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2021-10-31 18:59:18	lavaball	nevermind, crypt swap was the issue.
2021-10-31 18:59:20	lavaball	thanks anyway.
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2021-10-31 19:03:47	WhoNeedszZz	Hey, folks. Anyone know why PostgreSQL is still on 13 with being flagged almost a month ago?
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2021-10-31 19:05:03	thrice	lol
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2021-10-31 19:05:24	concrete-houses	I compiled postgresql 14 fine
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2021-10-31 19:05:38	concrete-houses	I still have a lot to learn though
2021-10-31 19:05:54	WhoNeedszZz	concrete-houses, Sure I could do that, but then upgrading the existing db is manual
2021-10-31 19:05:56	concrete-houses	I am learnpostgresql.com and as i go i realize so much more to learn holy cow
2021-10-31 19:06:01	concrete-houses	yeah
2021-10-31 19:06:10	concrete-houses	good to learn how to update  pg_dump
2021-10-31 19:06:13	concrete-houses	and restore
2021-10-31 19:06:18	concrete-houses	pretty easy
2021-10-31 19:06:19	concrete-houses	:)
2021-10-31 19:06:38	concrete-houses	what I dont know is how to make the systemd stuff by hand
2021-10-31 19:06:49	concrete-houses	I just start as user
2021-10-31 19:06:51	concrete-houses	heh
2021-10-31 19:07:08	concrete-houses	alan kay says cnetral control is not scalable and is a mistake
2021-10-31 19:07:09	concrete-houses	heh
2021-10-31 19:07:22	WhoNeedszZz	It's pretty easy, but the upgrade function does it consistently and does some extra checks
2021-10-31 19:07:23	concrete-houses	I sure do hate agile devops and java 
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2021-10-31 19:07:44	concrete-houses	maybe yu could add 14?
2021-10-31 19:07:48	concrete-houses	if you are good liek that
2021-10-31 19:07:50	HebusLeTroll	Hello, I'm back with my samba problem: I am only able to share folders that are in my home profile (ie: /home/fred/...) for some reason. Does someones have an idea? Here are the relevant details : https://pastebin.com/D5NdDQQz
2021-10-31 19:07:51	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-nVn.txt
2021-10-31 19:07:52	phrik	Title: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED when trying to list //192.168.1.64/root (ie: /test)how - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-10-31 19:07:59	concrete-houses	using samba is a mistake
2021-10-31 19:08:09	concrete-houses	be modern try 9p
2021-10-31 19:08:14	WhoNeedszZz	I don't have the time currently to take up maintaining it unfortunately
2021-10-31 19:08:20	thrice	WhoNeedszZz: perhpas just developer is busy.  these things happen often with arch, sometimes it just takes a bit
2021-10-31 19:08:53	WhoNeedszZz	thrice, I've used Arch for over 15 years and can't say this happens often for major packages. One of the selling points of Arch
2021-10-31 19:09:17	thrice	lol, OK
2021-10-31 19:09:26	thrice	don't look at the toolchain, or gnome, or...
2021-10-31 19:09:46	thrice	packaging is done by volunteers, sometimes they get busy.  You can have a refund, if you want :-)
2021-10-31 19:10:43	susi	the refund system is a fine part of Arch philosophy
2021-10-31 19:10:52	susi	been so helpful multiple times
2021-10-31 19:11:16	WhoNeedszZz	Man, the classic Arch IRC sarcasm. The main thing that turns people away from Arch ;)
2021-10-31 19:11:38	thrice	well, you came in asking a bad question, what do you expect
2021-10-31 19:11:45	WhoNeedszZz	I was asking a simple question if anyone knew if there was a specific reason it's out of date for so long. If you don't know you're free to keep the sarcasm to yourself
2021-10-31 19:11:54	thrice	"Hello, this package isn't updated fast enough for my standards.  What gives?"
2021-10-31 19:12:31	WhoNeedszZz	Sorry, I didn't know bleeding edge meant the most used OSS db can go behind for a month
2021-10-31 19:13:15	teraflops	tbh arch linux is not bleeding edge at all
2021-10-31 19:13:26	teraflops	just as a sidenote
2021-10-31 19:14:50	WhoNeedszZz	I guess the Mandela Effect is real then. I must have been in a different universe the past 15 years
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2021-10-31 19:16:14	teraflops	WhoNeedszZz: again, bleeding edge is grabbing everything from git, arch packages stable releases
2021-10-31 19:16:37	teraflops	also idk about the mandela effect
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2021-10-31 19:17:24	WhoNeedszZz	That would be the upper end of bleeding edge, not the entire range of it
2021-10-31 19:17:33	teraflops	it was a side note, 15 years of beliefs to the trash can 
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2021-10-31 19:20:34	snek	arch packages may be slightly out of date? my entire life is a lie
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2021-10-31 19:23:04	AdloOnCD	hi everyone, I'm having an issue with Steam, can't launch any games - posted in a couple places on Reddit but was wondering if anyone here might be able to help. If this isn't the right place to ask about that sort of thing then no prob
2021-10-31 19:23:31	snek	did you just update?
2021-10-31 19:23:34	AdloOnCD	and this is on arch linux, and i can provide you way more detailed info if you need it, that's just the ultra cliffnotes
2021-10-31 19:24:02	AdloOnCD	I did update, but it was broken before I updated, and I tried updating as a response to that - no difference either way
2021-10-31 19:24:34	snek	cuz there was just a weird release that broke my graphics driver, which i noticed when steam wasn't launching correctly
2021-10-31 19:24:38	snek	had to update stuff again
2021-10-31 19:25:00	AdloOnCD	did you just run pacman -Syu again or did you do anything else?
2021-10-31 19:25:30	AdloOnCD	either way updating again now, I'll paste the OP here in case anyone wants to take a look
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2021-10-31 19:25:55	AdloOnCD	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/qju5ew/cant_launch_games_anymore/
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2021-10-31 20:18:21	AdloOnCD	update on earlier steam games issue: moving mbtl from my NTFS drive to my ext4 drive allowed the game to launch no issues, which is great - however, I have far less space on my ext4 drive comparatively, hence why I've been storing my games on the ntfs drive. it worked for like, a month before yesterday, so if anyone has any ideas how to get it working that would be great
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2021-10-31 20:19:35	AdloOnCD	my presumption is that proton started launching from NTFS for some reason since the error I was getting was "Binding directories that are located under "/usr/" is not supported!"
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2021-10-31 20:27:14	Namarrgon	AdloOnCD: is the ntfs mounted with 'noexec'?
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2021-10-31 20:28:21	AdloOnCD	@Namarrgon nope, it's mounted with exec
2021-10-31 20:28:31	AdloOnCD	notably, it was working for like a month+ before yesterday, and only broke yesterday
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2021-10-31 20:28:38	Namarrgon	what other options are set?
2021-10-31 20:29:05	AdloOnCD	ntfs partition is mounted in my fstab as follows: UUID=C850971650970A78   /mnt/win        ntfs-3g         uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=022,fmask=133,exec   0 0
2021-10-31 20:29:32	ℹ 	af es conocido ahora como as
2021-10-31 20:29:38	ℹ 	as es conocido ahora como af
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2021-10-31 20:55:22	nergar	does anyone here has xrdp working _with_ sound?
2021-10-31 20:55:48	nergar	any pointers would certainly be appreciated 
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2021-11-01 08:47:51	thebombzen	is there a way to specify a particular commit for a PKGBUILD git source?
2021-11-01 08:48:25	thebombzen	I have a -git package in the AUR that broke on last commit so I'd like to set it to the last one that worked
2021-11-01 08:49:02	thurstylark	https://man.archlinux.org/man/PKGBUILD.5#USING_VCS_SOURCES
2021-11-01 08:49:03	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD(5) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
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2021-11-01 08:50:05	thebombzen	oh, so it's just url#commit=SHA
2021-11-01 08:50:07	thebombzen	thanks
2021-11-01 08:50:10	thurstylark	np
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2021-11-01 08:54:02	Spritzgebaeck	was geht was geht was geht
2021-11-01 08:54:07	Spritzgebaeck	ich bin wieder da
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2021-11-01 08:55:43	The-Compiler	!give Spritzgebaeck germany2
2021-11-01 08:55:43	phrik	Spritzgebaeck: Schlaaaaaaaaand! @.o
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2021-11-01 09:02:52	Spritzgebaeck	The-Compiler: ja dann!
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2021-11-01 09:03:34	Spritzgebaeck	The-Compiler: oh, sorry! wrong channel language :D
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2021-11-01 09:50:36	low-key	so i just got myself a sdcard and it was formatted exfat by default
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2021-11-01 09:51:11	low-key	i used it like that for a few days but i'd keep running into issues with regards to making symlinks and some programs would not play nice with it (aria2's file allocation)
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2021-11-01 09:51:22	low-key	decided to switch to ext4 and formatted it using mkfs.ext4
2021-11-01 09:51:54	low-key	but now when i cd into it, i get this lock icon in my shell's prompt that's supposed to be showing my present working directory
2021-11-01 09:51:57	low-key	media/loki/sdcard🔒
2021-11-01 09:52:44	low-key	i could get around it by chowning but is that how i'm supposed to do it?
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2021-11-01 09:54:43	⚡ 	Ingar has a gremlin
2021-11-01 09:54:52	Ingar	my machine spontaniously reboots
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2021-11-01 09:55:16	yamii	I just upgraded my kernel and what to try out kexec. But I'm not sure how to handle microcode updates. AW states that systemctl kexec does not support multiple initrds, so how should I do this? Also reading man kexec I think that I should call kexec without -e so that a gracefull shutdown is done instead of killing everything?
2021-11-01 09:55:34	Ingar	usually during startup, managed to get into X once, and then it rebooted. got a spontanious reboot when using the archiso.
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2021-11-01 09:56:19	Ingar	I did upgrade from a 5700 XT a 6900 XT, it could be a power issue, but then again I have no issues in other operating systems
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2021-11-01 10:04:42	thurstylark	Ingar: does the same happen when booting to the live iso env?
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2021-11-01 10:05:37	thurstylark	low-key: can you post your prompt config to a paste service?
2021-11-01 10:05:50	thurstylark	no idea what that's supposed to mean without looking in there
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2021-11-01 10:05:58	low-key	it's actually starship
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2021-11-01 10:06:38	low-key	all i've customised are the colors
2021-11-01 10:06:55	thurstylark	ok
2021-11-01 10:06:57	low-key	i do know it's the symbol for when my user doesn't own the folder in question
2021-11-01 10:06:58	thurstylark	same question
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2021-11-01 10:07:03	thurstylark	ahh
2021-11-01 10:07:18	low-key	i just want to know if how i resolved it is the recommended way in case i run into the issue again in the future
2021-11-01 10:07:27	low-key	okay to just chown it, right?
2021-11-01 10:07:36	low-key	i guess it was owned by root because i ran mkfs.ext4 as root?
2021-11-01 10:07:40	low-key	with sudo, that is
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2021-11-01 10:09:41	thurstylark	afaik, yeah that's the way to fix that
2021-11-01 10:10:23	thurstylark	in the future, just talk about file perms. no need to ask about an icon if you already know what it means
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2021-11-01 10:24:52	Ingar	thurstylark: yeah, I got a reboot in the live env as well
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2021-11-01 10:35:42	Ingar	I guess I'd better put back the old gfx card and see what happens s:-\
2021-11-01 10:35:42	thurstylark	oof, yeah, that's a weird one... Does it gracefully shut down when that happens?
2021-11-01 10:35:42	thurstylark	or more like hitting the reset button :P
2021-11-01 10:35:42	Ingar	nope, I hear a click from the psu and then the reboot beep
2021-11-01 10:35:42	Ingar	so like hitting reset
2021-11-01 10:35:42	thurstylark	oh, yeah, you should be looking at hardware
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2021-11-01 10:35:42	Amnesia	anyone using btrfs on his/her/* laptop :)? If so, would you recommend against it or not^^?
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2021-11-01 10:35:42	thurstylark	!poll
2021-11-01 10:35:42	phrik	Compensation for channel surveys is accepted in Dogecoins, Simoleons, and Kongbucks.
2021-11-01 10:35:42	Foxboron	No ArchCoins?
2021-11-01 10:35:42	thurstylark	definitely should be added :P
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2021-11-01 10:42:19	phrik	Ingar: Is that… Is that really a word?
2021-11-01 10:42:49	Ingar	yes, it gives thurstylark 50,000 simoleons
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2021-11-01 10:51:51	JTL	Foxboron: ico wen! /s
2021-11-01 10:51:53	JTL	hehe
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2021-11-01 10:53:13	The-Compiler	Amnesia: used it for a while on my laptop, switched to ext4 though because I didn't really use any of its features
2021-11-01 10:53:33	The-Compiler	Amnesia: still using it on my NAS though, with its RAID features (not RAID 5 though :D)
2021-11-01 10:53:48	Amnesia	Ack, tyvm for your 2 cents :)!
2021-11-01 10:53:52	Foxboron	Amnesia: Been using BTRFS since 2015 on all my computers.
2021-11-01 10:54:06	The-Compiler	also used https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NILFS for a bit, that was kinda cool
2021-11-01 10:54:06	phrik	Title: NILFS - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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2021-11-01 10:54:34	The-Compiler	but then it had a bug with its garbage collector, so I ran out of disk space and couldn't delete files anymore
2021-11-01 10:54:40	low-key	sorry about that bit, i was actually thinking out loud and it struck me over the course of writing those messages what the issue was 🙈
2021-11-01 10:55:15	Amnesia	heh
2021-11-01 10:55:21	The-Compiler	but having a way to say "hey, just roll back my file system 5 minutes" is kinda cool
2021-11-01 10:55:23	thurstylark	nbd, just had me barking up the wrong tree right away :P
2021-11-01 10:55:32	Amnesia	I suppose the only feature I'll be using, is to snapshot my rootfs, to be able to recovery quickly if shit hits the fan
2021-11-01 10:55:46	Foxboron	compression is nice as well
2021-11-01 10:55:55	Foxboron	btrfs send/recv if you have it available is nice aswell
2021-11-01 10:56:01	jelle	btrfs is nice for containers
2021-11-01 10:56:12	The-Compiler	maybe I should give btrfs another try and actually start using its features :D
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2021-11-01 10:57:13	⚡ 	jelle never uses send/recv or snapshots.. well I do use snapshots for containers
2021-11-01 10:57:36	Amnesia	Foxboron: that's basically what you use to 'apply' a snapshot, right?
2021-11-01 10:57:43	Foxboron	Amnesia: what?
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2021-11-01 10:57:52	Amnesia	snapshot receive/send
2021-11-01 10:58:07	Foxboron	Amnesia: that for backing it up to a remove storage device.
2021-11-01 10:58:14	Amnesia	(atm I interpret it as a `git apply $snapshot`)
2021-11-01 10:58:15	Foxboron	There are manpage available, no need for guessing
2021-11-01 10:58:27	Ingar	did some more testing, managed to start and properly shut down. next try I got a reboot, but at the moment my gfx card fan spins up. I suspect the issue is there.
2021-11-01 10:58:28	thurstylark	I just had an awesome experience with a multi-device array. had 12 devices in raid10, only took one command to remove all of them and the filesystem shuffled the stripes around and dynamically resized itself. Then I could just send/receive the subvols I wanted to move, and done :D
2021-11-01 10:58:33	Ingar	(would make sense)
2021-11-01 10:59:14	jelle	thurstylark: and that while raid is unstable on btrfs!
2021-11-01 10:59:21	thurstylark	pff
2021-11-01 10:59:27	thurstylark	raid10 is fine
2021-11-01 10:59:28	Foxboron	jelle: raids are not unstable. RAID5 is
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2021-11-01 10:59:58	thurstylark	is raid6 still sketchy, or has that matured since I looked last?
2021-11-01 11:00:01	jelle	Foxboron: mwaaah
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2021-11-01 11:00:26	Disconsented	Took me a moment to realise you were talking about BTRFS RAID5
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2021-11-01 11:00:36	⚡ 	jelle should re-read the arstechnica article ^_^
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2021-11-01 11:01:03	thurstylark	granted, all that took like, 48 hours to complete because duh, but I didn't have to brain it too hard to do the thing, and that's all I really care about :P
2021-11-01 11:01:13	Disconsented	and I'm sitting here wondering why would you use BTRFS 
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2021-11-01 11:01:39	evilop	Disconsented: incremental snapshots, data checksumming, cow
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2021-11-01 11:01:48	Disconsented	ZFS
2021-11-01 11:01:49	thurstylark	!btrfs5
2021-11-01 11:01:50	phrik	thurstylark: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
2021-11-01 11:01:56	evilop	Disconsented: also it being less broken on every update than zfs on arch
2021-11-01 11:01:57	luca1	Hello, I was wondering why gnome 41 hasn't been updated in the official repos yet?
2021-11-01 11:02:16	thurstylark	!btrfs4
2021-11-01 11:02:17	phrik	Snapshots, and subvols, and CoW! Oh, My!!
2021-11-01 11:02:18	evilop	Disconsented: the zfs licensing is a big problemn
2021-11-01 11:02:25	Disconsented	Yeah okay licensing is a pain
2021-11-01 11:02:41	thurstylark	zfs is difficult to set up because of that licensing nonsense
2021-11-01 11:02:44	thurstylark	btrfs is in tree
2021-11-01 11:02:49	evilop	specially for a rolling release distro like arch, where it means that it might break on any kernel updatre
2021-11-01 11:02:51	Disconsented	Out of all the folks I know using ZFS on Arch, none of them are having stability issues. Everyone and I do genuinely mean everything I know who has used BTRFS views it negatively
2021-11-01 11:02:56	evilop	update*
2021-11-01 11:03:01	thurstylark	and it basically abstracts block devices away, which is awesome
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2021-11-01 11:03:06	Disconsented	Although for ZFS they also recommend LTS kernel
2021-11-01 11:03:22	evilop	Disconsented: none of them used it that time when it was broken for a couple of months and they had to hold the kernel back?
2021-11-01 11:03:31	Disconsented	 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2021-11-01 11:03:32	evilop	with all the drama around the kernel api used
2021-11-01 11:03:38	jelle	tbh btrfs's df is kinda dumb and should be fixed
2021-11-01 11:03:43	thurstylark	^
2021-11-01 11:03:47	jelle	srsly don't get why that's not fixed
2021-11-01 11:03:55	⚡ 	evilop wish btrfs would get more developer love
2021-11-01 11:04:04	jelle	Disconsented: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/72595
2021-11-01 11:04:06	phrik	Title: FS#72595 : coreutils 9.0 can corrupt files on ZFS (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2021-11-01 11:04:06	thurstylark	btrfs is just wibbly wobbly like that :P
2021-11-01 11:04:21	Disconsented	Oh thats just nasty
2021-11-01 11:04:55	Amnesia	Disconsented: oh dayum, why did they view at it negatively?
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2021-11-01 11:05:21	Disconsented	It'd eat data iirc
2021-11-01 11:05:50	thurstylark	it's matured since then
2021-11-01 11:05:59	Amnesia	but isn't that a matter of scrubbing / defragmenting it occasionally?
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2021-11-01 11:06:46	thurstylark	btrfs is the No Man's Sky of filesystems imo
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2021-11-01 11:07:38	Amnesia	> No Man's Sky is a survival game developed and published by Hello Games.
2021-11-01 11:07:39	Amnesia	lawl
2021-11-01 11:07:57	Amnesia	evilop: if you get me funding I suppose I could help x
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2021-11-01 11:09:13	evilop	Amnesia: I'm living below the poverty line in my country so...
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2021-11-01 11:10:08	thurstylark	Amnesia: by that I mean a rocky launch tanked its rep, and now it's good, actually
2021-11-01 11:10:33	Amnesia	ah ack
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2021-11-01 11:12:53	luca1	Hello, I was wondering why gnome 41 hasn't been updated in the official repos yet?
2021-11-01 11:13:13	thurstylark	!why
2021-11-01 11:13:14	phrik	Because you touch yourself at night.
2021-11-01 11:13:44	luca1	:(
2021-11-01 11:14:00	Amnesia	lol
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2021-11-01 11:16:24	thurstylark	but, for real, the relevant command is:
2021-11-01 11:16:26	thurstylark	!when
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2021-11-01 11:16:26	phrik	When it's ready. ™
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2021-11-01 11:24:09	horseface	no it is impossible to have the camera working on an M$ surface laptop.
2021-11-01 11:24:16	horseface	he has reinstalled windows back onto it.
2021-11-01 11:24:24	horseface	just btw...
2021-11-01 11:24:40	evilop	my sister has the cam working on hers
2021-11-01 11:24:46	horseface	oh wow.
2021-11-01 11:24:49	horseface	which surface is it
2021-11-01 11:24:50	horseface	?
2021-11-01 11:25:17	Foxboron	Disconsented: You need to realize that the only times you hear about something negatively you do not hear about them talking about it positively.
2021-11-01 11:25:25	evilop	https://github-wiki-see.page/m/linux-surface/linux-surface/wiki/Camera-Support
2021-11-01 11:25:27	phrik	Title: Camera Support - linux-surface/linux-surface Wiki (at github-wiki-see.page)
2021-11-01 11:25:31	evilop	not fully up to date
2021-11-01 11:25:37	horseface	i see, ty.
2021-11-01 11:26:13	horseface	his is the 'Surface Laptop 2'
2021-11-01 11:26:17	horseface	it is not working it seems...
2021-11-01 11:26:19	earnestly	https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/ebiggers/fsverity-utils.git - btrfs supports this now
2021-11-01 11:26:20	phrik	Title: kernel/git/ebiggers/fsverity-utils.git - Userspace utilities for fs-verity (at git.kernel.org)
2021-11-01 11:26:34	Foxboron	earnestly: and idmapped mounts
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2021-11-01 11:26:56	Foxboron	oh, we don't package that! Adding to my todo then
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2021-11-01 12:25:16	gloomy	Hey, is there any way to figure out which process is capturing my keypresses? I am using i3 and have <meta>+1; <meta>+2;... mapped to switching to workspace X, and for some reason meta+8 is not working.
2021-11-01 12:25:32	gloomy	Only reason I can think of is that some other process is handling that keypress first?... but shouldn't the window manager see it first? 
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2021-11-01 12:37:44	Amnesia	thurstylark / Foxboron: it looks like there're multiple ways to revert to a snapshot, but what approaches would you guys recommend? (adjusting subvolume ids || rsyncing data from one to the other)
2021-11-01 12:38:14	Namarrgon	gloomy: does the '8' key work on its own? You're not accidenlty overriding the keybind later in the config?
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2021-11-01 12:45:18	Scisista	how do I set a default web browser?
2021-11-01 12:45:25	Scisista	I don't want to use Firefox
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2021-11-01 12:47:01	jbg	Scisista: https://www.google.com/search?q=arch+linux+default+browser (or your favourite search engine)
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2021-11-01 12:47:54	Namarrgon	there is no single place to set a default browser system-wide, it depends on your environment
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2021-11-01 12:49:15	Namarrgon	what is starting firefox for you?
2021-11-01 12:49:31	jbg	setting $BROWSER and `xdg-settings set default-web-browser whatever.desktop` usually covers it
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2021-11-01 13:02:38	Scisista	Namarrgon: I have some extensions on Chrome that are not supported on Firefox
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2021-11-01 13:05:49	JPT	Is "firefox randomly freezes so I have to kill -9 it" a known issue? I'm currently enduring it while hoping for a random fix, but lately my patience is running low
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2021-11-01 13:06:05	thurstylark	!bugs
2021-11-01 13:06:06	phrik	Bugs?! Arch Linux has no bugs! Oh.. wait.. https://bugs.archlinux.org
2021-11-01 13:06:26	JPT	Awesome, there's something matching my pain :)
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2021-11-01 13:07:38	JPT	I wish I would get useful output in either journalctl or dmesg, because so far I have nothing to investigate.
2021-11-01 13:08:20	thurstylark	anything relevant if you launch it from a terminal?
2021-11-01 13:08:52	thurstylark	since FF isn't a kernel module or a systemd service, it makes sense that its output wouldn't end up in either of those places
2021-11-01 13:08:57	JPT	I guess I'll have to try that. The thing is, it only occurs in random moments. Sometimes it is frequent, sometimes it doesn't happen for a day.
2021-11-01 13:09:15	JPT	If it would just nosedive and crash upon start, I would have a field day.
2021-11-01 13:09:40	lambda	run it under gdb or at least strace
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2021-11-01 13:09:56	evilop	run it as a new user
2021-11-01 13:10:12	evilop	most of the times ff crashes are due to some user settings/plugins
2021-11-01 13:10:52	JPT	Anything is possible at this point. I'll check if firefox has useful debug output and perhaps wrap it in a proper strace
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2021-11-01 13:14:06	thurstylark	could also do some fuckery like `mv /usr/bin/firefox /usr/bin/firefox.bak` and put a script in its place that does all that for you
2021-11-01 13:14:35	thurstylark	something like `alacritty -c firefox.bak` 
2021-11-01 13:15:04	thurstylark	or even just `firefox.bak &> /tmp/firefox.log`
2021-11-01 13:15:13	JPT	I'll consider it in case it doesn't crash again today. Today is a good day, so I'm feeling confident it'll happen again :)
2021-11-01 13:15:21	thurstylark	heh 
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2021-11-01 13:17:54	JPT	Alright. I'll be having a blast later when digging through the gigabytes of strace output, but hopefully it's worth it 
2021-11-01 13:17:57	JPT	Thanks a lot :)
2021-11-01 13:18:18	thurstylark	np. curious what you find
2021-11-01 13:18:32	JPT	Me, too. That behaviour is not easy to pin down.
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2021-11-01 13:19:09	JPT	My behaviour on the other hand ... There were moments where I wished I was doing gardening work instead.
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2021-11-01 13:25:38	evilop	isn't it the same? You are just digging trough load of shit anyway
2021-11-01 13:25:54	evilop	either way*
2021-11-01 13:25:56	JPT	Hehe. Business as usual :D
2021-11-01 13:26:26	JPT	If someone starts talking about Single Sign-On, Shibboleth and attributes, take my advice and just run.
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2021-11-01 15:32:34	wasamasa	hello
2021-11-01 15:33:06	wasamasa	I've updated my system after a while and it seems I broke chromium because it cannot start without dumping core shortly after
2021-11-01 15:34:06	wasamasa	http://ix.io/3DBD
2021-11-01 15:34:28	wasamasa	cannot find anything useful for that particular error
2021-11-01 15:36:04	wasamasa	--disable-gpu doesn't help
2021-11-01 15:36:29	wasamasa	[50629:50629:1101/153616.215256:ERROR:gpu_init.cc(453)] Passthrough is not supported, GL is swiftshader, ANGLE is 
2021-11-01 15:36:29	wasamasa	[1101/153616.905219:ERROR:elf_dynamic_array_reader.h(61)] tag not found
2021-11-01 15:36:44	wasamasa	it removes the GPU lines, but it still crashes
2021-11-01 15:36:44	Namarrgon	pacman -Q intel-media-driver chromium
2021-11-01 15:38:07	wasamasa	21.3.5-1 and 95.0.4638.69-1
2021-11-01 15:38:19	Namarrgon	does ~/.config/chromium-flags.conf exist?
2021-11-01 15:38:41	wasamasa	no, I got rid of that a few months ago
2021-11-01 15:38:59	Namarrgon	does it start with a clean profile?
2021-11-01 15:39:41	jonathon	aside, `HOME=$(mktemp -d) chromium` can be handy to avoid any local config changes
2021-11-01 15:39:50	wasamasa	hm, how do I specify a new profile
2021-11-01 15:39:55	wasamasa	I've used --user-data-dir before
2021-11-01 15:40:29	wasamasa	nope, that doesn't help
2021-11-01 15:41:17	wasamasa	neither does `HOME=$(mktemp -d) chromium`
2021-11-01 15:44:49	wasamasa	it stops crashing after downgrading to the last installed chromium version, 93.0.4577.63-1
2021-11-01 15:44:51	wasamasa	but meh
2021-11-01 15:45:25	Namarrgon	do you see any new messages in the kernel log when chromium crashes?
2021-11-01 15:45:49	Namarrgon	have you looked at the stack trace?
2021-11-01 15:46:39	wasamasa	http://ix.io/3DBG
2021-11-01 15:47:21	Namarrgon	pacman -Q mesa
2021-11-01 15:48:08	wasamasa	21.2.4-1
2021-11-01 15:53:56	wasamasa	unrelated question: how do I use dmesg without sudo?
2021-11-01 15:54:02	wasamasa	any special group or tunable for that?
2021-11-01 15:54:53	evilop	rebuild the kernel
2021-11-01 15:55:11	wasamasa	seriously?
2021-11-01 15:55:15	evilop	or 
2021-11-01 15:55:17	evilop	kernel.dmesg_restrict
2021-11-01 15:55:18	Namarrgon	sysctl kernel.dmesg_restrict=0
2021-11-01 15:55:34	wasamasa	thanks
2021-11-01 15:58:38	kevr	with waybar, no matter what i do, I get "[warning] For a functional tray you must have libappindicator-* installed and export XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity"
2021-11-01 15:58:46	kevr	I set the var before i exec sway.
2021-11-01 15:58:54	kevr	Any clue how to get past this so the tray works?
2021-11-01 15:58:57	SysGhost	kernel ring buffer can sometimes reveal sensitive information. Hence the change to require some privileges to access it. most logs one usually need are accessible through journalctl anyway.
2021-11-01 15:59:54	bookworm	(which is also privileged via whatever logging group systemd uses)
2021-11-01 16:03:10	SysGhost	long story short, a quote from a mailing list asking the very question of "why?":
2021-11-01 16:03:11	SysGhost	The kernel syslog contains debugging information that is often useful during exploitation of other vulnerabilities, such as kernel heap addresses. Rather than futilely attempt to sanitize hundreds (or thousands) of printk statements and simultaneously cripple useful debugging functionality, it is far simpler to create an option that prevents unprivileged users from reading the syslog.
2021-11-01 16:05:00	wasamasa	ok
2021-11-01 16:05:12	wasamasa	any further ideas how to figure out what the deal is with the ELF error?
2021-11-01 16:05:56	wasamasa	I've enabled verbose logging and it doesn't give me anything useful
2021-11-01 16:11:22	SysGhost	such as incorrect elf class?
2021-11-01 16:11:36	SysGhost	if so, the executable is compiled for another architecture.
2021-11-01 16:11:39	NetSysFire	i thought i was in #nethack for a second. whoops.
2021-11-01 16:11:45	wasamasa	ERROR:elf_dynamic_array_reader.h(61)] tag not found
2021-11-01 16:11:49	SysGhost	aha
2021-11-01 16:12:04	wasamasa	I've looked at the output of `coredumpctl gdb`, but nothing jumps at me
2021-11-01 16:12:49	cornduck	how do i create a systemd unit to start the alsa daemon at boot? 
2021-11-01 16:12:57	SysGhost	a clue that the executable is compiled against a different set of libraries than those currently in the target system.
2021-11-01 16:13:14	cornduck	im reading this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture#Installation and i have no idea
2021-11-01 16:13:15	phrik	Title: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-01 16:14:01	⚡ 	thurstylark was unaware that alsa needed a daemon
2021-11-01 16:14:59	cornduck	the systemd unit configuration files provided by the installation seem to be incomplete
2021-11-01 16:15:02	SysGhost	cornduck: for pure alsa, you don't need anything extra. there's a systemd service to save and restore mixer settings but that's about it.
2021-11-01 16:16:21	SysGhost	"ALSA is a set of built-in Linux kernel modules. Therefore, manual installation is not necessary. " 
2021-11-01 16:16:30	cornduck	SysGhost: my sound doesn't work until i execute `alsactl daemon`
2021-11-01 16:16:43	SysGhost	it means everything should work out of box as long as the kernel can identify and use the sound chip in question.
2021-11-01 16:17:47	SysGhost	alsactl does that as I mentioned: restoring saved mixer settings. Some sound chips comes "muted" by default
2021-11-01 16:18:32	SysGhost	see "systemctl status alsa-restore.service" 
2021-11-01 16:19:00	thurstylark	so if starting the alsactl daemon is what gets audio moving, is it just restoring the unmuted state of some control?
2021-11-01 16:19:56	SysGhost	pretty much. alsactl can be used for some other things too, but it's mostly to store and restore various sound chips states
2021-11-01 16:20:56	cornduck	SysGhost: i get something like this when trying to start or enable the systemd units https://termbin.com/vcy9
2021-11-01 16:21:22	SysGhost	cornduck: what's the exact command you're using?
2021-11-01 16:21:48	cornduck	in this case `sudo systemctl enable alsa-restore`
2021-11-01 16:22:19	SysGhost	what about the  status command? what output does it give?
2021-11-01 16:22:25	cornduck	`start` seems to work, i guess? maybe they aren't meant to be "enabled" and i am misunderstanding how this works
2021-11-01 16:22:38	thurstylark	alsa-restore.service is just a one shot. you want alsa-state.service
2021-11-01 16:22:50	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture#ALSA_and_systemd
2021-11-01 16:22:51	phrik	Title: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-01 16:23:12	cornduck	thurstylark: i get the same errors when trying to `enable` alsa-state
2021-11-01 16:23:22	cornduck	because its missing the same parts of the unit config
2021-11-01 16:24:38	SysGhost	what about the status commands I gave example of?
2021-11-01 16:25:49	thurstylark	oh it's just a simple service without an install section... 
2021-11-01 16:27:48	thurstylark	aaahhhh, it's set up to run via sound.target
2021-11-01 16:28:24	thurstylark	if /etc/alsa/state-daemon.conf exists, it starts alsa-state.conf, if not it starts alsa-restore.conf
2021-11-01 16:28:50	cornduck	SysGhost: https://termbin.com/bnai
2021-11-01 16:29:05	klotzhauer	oh nice, nvidia deprecated my graphics!
2021-11-01 16:29:48	thurstylark	cornduck: yeah, so it's going to use alsa-state.service can you paste the status of that unit too?
2021-11-01 16:31:37	thurstylark	(also the unit enabling stuff is shipped in the package via symlinks, which explains the lack of install section)
2021-11-01 16:34:20	jeremyc	I just did a pacman -Syu and now X won't start, it seems the nvidia drivers are being placed in /lib/modules/5.14.15-arch1-1. My current kernel version is 5.14.14-arch1-1. I do not see anything in pacman referencing 5.14.15 yet. Any thoughts on how to resolve?
2021-11-01 16:34:45	klotzhauer	install nvidia-470xx-dkms from aur
2021-11-01 16:35:15	Namarrgon	jeremyc: -Syu
2021-11-01 16:35:24	Namarrgon	from an up-to-date mirror
2021-11-01 16:35:27	cornduck	thanks SysGhost thurstylark 
2021-11-01 16:35:37	cornduck	looking into sound.target to see how this works
2021-11-01 16:36:01	cornduck	i don't know why alsa-state wasn't starting before, but it is now
2021-11-01 16:36:46	thurstylark	enabling != starting
2021-11-01 16:37:57	jeremyc	Namarrgon: thanks (you too klotzhauer). Seems square-r00t mirror (chosen by mirrorselect at install) is behind times. Didn't think of that.
2021-11-01 16:38:29	jeremyc	(reflector I mean)
2021-11-01 16:38:32	wasamasa	ok, so the error message originates from https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/refs/tags/95.0.4638.73/third_party/crashpad/crashpad/snapshot/elf/elf_dynamic_array_reader.h#61
2021-11-01 16:38:33	phrik	Title: third_party/crashpad/crashpad/snapshot/elf/elf_dynamic_array_reader.h - chromium/src - Git at Google (at chromium.googlesource.com)
2021-11-01 16:41:11	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-11-01 16:42:25	SysGhost	cornduck: you ran alsactl store at some point, which created the needed file for alsa-state to restore it the next boot.
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2021-11-01 16:43:25	cornduck	cool. yea i did SysGhost 
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2021-11-01 16:44:32	JPT	My scrollbuffer is already exhausted, but thanks again for the advice to toss xf86-video-intel. I'm not 100% sure yet if it really did the trick, but firefox did not crash so far. :-)
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2021-11-01 16:46:54	Namarrgon	wasamasa: what does the stack trace look like?
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2021-11-01 16:47:42	linuxguy	Greetings, awesome archlinux community. This is my first post here. I'm a archlinux newbie although a long time linux user but recent convert to archlinux. Yesterday, finally i installed Archlinux on my primary machine. I intend to learn and grow along with you all. 
2021-11-01 16:47:46	wasamasa	Namarrgon: http://ix.io/3DC2
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2021-11-01 16:49:31	horseface	hei GNU Icecat is showing fonts WEIRD!
2021-11-01 16:49:45	horseface	it is showing like blocks instead of the actual font and i have got no idea why!
2021-11-01 16:49:58	horseface	can anybody please tell me what's happening?
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2021-11-01 16:50:40	Namarrgon	wasamasa: which wm do you use?
2021-11-01 16:50:43	wasamasa	i3
2021-11-01 16:51:02	Namarrgon	intel gpu?
2021-11-01 16:51:07	wasamasa	and gtk3-nocsd-git
2021-11-01 16:51:09	wasamasa	yes
2021-11-01 16:51:22	Namarrgon	do you, too, have xf86-video-intel installed?
2021-11-01 16:51:34	horseface	it is fine in all other applications, you see i have the systemd units loaded at start-up, tor.service and also i2pd.service and i am using GNU Icecat configured for using tor local proxy and then librewolf for like, i2pd local proxy...
2021-11-01 16:51:41	wasamasa	Namarrgon: yup
2021-11-01 16:51:49	horseface	but for some reason this ONE BROWSER does not displaying fonts!
2021-11-01 16:51:50	Namarrgon	can you replace that package with the regular gtk3 package and try again?
2021-11-01 16:51:53	wasamasa	1:2.99.917+916+g31486f40-1
2021-11-01 16:52:01	Namarrgon	also, get rid of the -intel package
2021-11-01 16:52:03	wasamasa	gtk3-nocsd-git is installed in addition to gtk3
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2021-11-01 16:53:14	Namarrgon	ah, it's just a module. then uninstall it for the time being.
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2021-11-01 16:53:40	Namarrgon	linuxguy: put on your helmet, put the seatbelt on and get ready
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2021-11-01 16:59:12	evilop	horseface: running it in some container/sandbox?
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2021-11-01 17:01:55	horseface	oh
2021-11-01 17:01:57	horseface	possibly...
2021-11-01 17:02:14	horseface	i am using firejail, so maybe due to this?
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2021-11-01 17:03:02	evilop	if it limits access to the filesystem; highly likely
2021-11-01 17:03:13	horseface	yes i see...
2021-11-01 17:03:17	horseface	ty!
2021-11-01 17:03:25	horseface	i will try it without the firejail...
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2021-11-01 17:05:05	TiZ	Hi, what is the intended way to specify options for the modesetting driver? I'm on a laptop with NVIDIA Optimus, and the reverse prime setup works out-of-the-box, but as soon as I try to create an xorg.conf.d file that targets the modesetting driver in any way, the modesetting driver forcibly takes the NVIDIA card. This is despite having a
2021-11-01 17:05:06	TiZ	MatchDriver clause for i915, and despite a config file existing to assign the nvidia driver to the nvidia-drm kms driver.
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2021-11-01 17:05:58	TiZ	I have a gist showing the config files I have attempted, and the log output from Xorg: https://gist.github.com/HugLifeTiZ/b4158f040d2e16e7df7796c70f355680
2021-11-01 17:06:02	horseface	you see... i have got these applications running both in a firejail..
2021-11-01 17:06:02	horseface	3031:goosestepping::/usr/bin/firejail /usr/bin/librewolf 
2021-11-01 17:06:03	horseface	3241:goosestepping::/usr/bin/firejail /usr/bin/icecat 
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2021-11-01 17:06:24	horseface	but the problem does not exist on librewolf...
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2021-11-01 17:08:10	wasamasa	Namarrgon: even with the modesetting driver, it still crashes
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2021-11-01 17:08:45	wasamasa	http://ix.io/3DCe
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2021-11-01 17:09:13	alad	wasamasa: does aur/google-chrome-stable have the same problem
2021-11-01 17:09:35	Namarrgon	the nocsd package is still installed?
2021-11-01 17:09:54	wasamasa	I uninstalled that, too
2021-11-01 17:09:57	wasamasa	seems unrelated
2021-11-01 17:10:11	wasamasa	alad: probably not, given that when downgrading to chromium 93 resolved it
2021-11-01 17:10:18	Namarrgon	any other foreign packages that are related to the graphics stack?
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2021-11-01 17:12:52	wasamasa	I can't spot anything obvious in `pacman -Qm`
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2021-11-01 17:14:21	wasamasa	http://ix.io/3DCi
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2021-11-01 17:15:03	Scimmia	holy rip
2021-11-01 17:15:16	wasamasa	the arch install is like, 5 years old?
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2021-11-01 17:16:24	Foxboron	so much old stuff there :p
2021-11-01 17:16:26	wasamasa	alad: google-chrome-stable segfaults, too
2021-11-01 17:16:39	Foxboron	>blackarch-keyring 20140118-3
2021-11-01 17:16:41	Foxboron	brooooo
2021-11-01 17:16:52	wasamasa	yeah, that was a bad idea
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2021-11-01 17:16:55	Foxboron	wasamasa: Did you intend to completley fuck over your install :)?
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2021-11-01 17:18:25	Namarrgon	nothing sticks out to me
2021-11-01 17:18:32	wasamasa	I considered redoing the install at some point to set up FDE
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2021-11-01 17:18:48	Foxboron	Doit :p
2021-11-01 17:18:56	Foxboron	wasamasa: I'll give you inspiration if you want it
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2021-11-01 17:19:26	wasamasa	thing is that unlike when I got into arch, it no longer gives me kicks to update the system every few days
2021-11-01 17:19:51	Foxboron	I just update once a week for kernels. Rest is done whenever I feel like it
2021-11-01 17:20:08	wasamasa	and I've recently discovered that there are more fun things to do in life than gaining mastery in obscure technical topics
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2021-11-01 17:20:20	wasamasa	but I also hate non-rolling release operating systems
2021-11-01 17:20:42	wasamasa	where there's big breakages every two years, rather than small ones every few months or so
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2021-11-01 17:20:45	jelle	wasamasa: just become TU so you don't have such a big -Qm
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2021-11-01 17:20:55	wasamasa	<wasamasa> and I've recently discovered that there are more fun things to do in life than gaining mastery in obscure technical topics
2021-11-01 17:21:02	jelle	:o
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2021-11-01 17:21:23	wasamasa	I'm seriously considering to just drop all recreational technology stuff
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2021-11-01 17:21:49	wasamasa	I've done my part to help out people
2021-11-01 17:22:25	kj7rrv	If I get a new laptop, could I transfer my data and OS by just putting my old laptop's SSD in the new laptop?
2021-11-01 17:22:33	wasamasa	btw, if any of you remember me asking around about a randomly freezing system, it turned out to not be arch's fault
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2021-11-01 17:22:57	wasamasa	I've set up a debian on it and the laptop still freezes randomly
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2021-11-01 17:23:49	NetSysFire	did you read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/General_troubleshooting#Debugging_freezes yet?
2021-11-01 17:23:50	phrik	Title: General troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-11-01 17:24:01	jelle	wasamasa: le hardware
2021-11-01 17:24:07	wasamasa	probably
2021-11-01 17:24:20	wasamasa	the only out of the ordinary thing about it is that I corebooted it
2021-11-01 17:24:29	wasamasa	and it has a LenOwO splash screen
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2021-11-01 17:24:55	thurstylark	kj7rrv: should be fine. Might need to boot with the fallback initrd the first time, but afaik the only thing you should need to do is re-generate your initrds with `mkinitcpio -P`
2021-11-01 17:25:11	alad	looks less rip than my local repo from 2016
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2021-11-01 17:25:43	wasamasa	NetSysFire: yeah, I went through it and it seems like too much effort to figure out
2021-11-01 17:25:56	alad	that one had >800 packages
2021-11-01 17:26:01	wasamasa	lol
2021-11-01 17:26:08	wasamasa	most of that stuff is for random things I needed briefly
2021-11-01 17:26:19	wasamasa	for example when trying to implement lisp in increasingly obscure programming languages
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2021-11-01 17:26:32	wasamasa	or when I found the idea of emulating all kinds of games fun
2021-11-01 17:27:13	wasamasa	or random stuff I need for CTF things
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2021-11-01 17:27:36	alad	> aurutils 2.3.3-1
2021-11-01 17:27:45	alad	I guess my 5 page blog post on upgrading to v3 scared you off
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2021-11-01 17:27:55	wasamasa	no, I just don't upgrade things unless I need them
2021-11-01 17:28:02	wasamasa	like when discovering a bug/feature
2021-11-01 17:28:05	Rucker	yo
2021-11-01 17:28:05	Rucker	\
2021-11-01 17:28:14	Rucker	what we talking aobut
2021-11-01 17:28:20	alad	Rucker: your face
2021-11-01 17:28:24	thurstylark	oooooo
2021-11-01 17:28:26	alad	wasamasa: fernuff
2021-11-01 17:28:30	evilop	wasamasa: never upgrade until the ransom message shows eh?
2021-11-01 17:28:31	wasamasa	and the nice thing about aurutils is that unlike software written in C or C++, it doesn't just break
2021-11-01 17:28:45	wasamasa	because some dependency has bumped its so version
2021-11-01 17:28:46	Rucker	alad jokes on you i dont have one
2021-11-01 17:28:47	evilop	I heard that have worked quite well for many companies
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2021-11-01 17:29:04	alad	wasamasa: yeah
2021-11-01 17:29:05	wasamasa	rebuilding all the AUR stuff for no reason is a stupid amount of effort
2021-11-01 17:29:14	alad	wasamasa: though with pacman 6, pacutils "broke" and it needed some extra work to unbreak it again
2021-11-01 17:29:25	alad	i.e. using expect/unbuffer
2021-11-01 17:29:36	wasamasa	and since its AUR stuff, chances of something breaking there are higher than with packages maintained by a TU
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2021-11-01 17:30:22	alad	are you sure about the "higher" part
2021-11-01 17:30:27	wasamasa	mostly
2021-11-01 17:30:55	evilop	what about all the packages in aur that are maintained by a tu?
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2021-11-01 17:35:22	alad	evilop: double breakage
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2021-11-01 17:47:43	pyfisch	i need a keyword: how are packages that were installed not from a repository (but e.g. from AUR)? I want to query pacman and list all such packages.
2021-11-01 17:48:14	mpan	pyfisch: -m
2021-11-01 17:48:17	thurstylark	foreign packages
2021-11-01 17:48:31	thurstylark	should be searchable in the pacman man page
2021-11-01 17:48:38	pyfisch	thank you mpan, thurstylark
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2021-11-01 17:59:00	h31m64llr	Hi, i'm trying to install Arch linux in btrfs. On the hdd was previously installed Debian 11 in lvm2. I've started the installation just now, i'm seeing the cgdisk for erase entire disk and create partition. There is someone can follow me on the installation? 
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2021-11-01 18:01:50	NetSysFire	follow you how?
2021-11-01 18:02:56	umaxtu	iirc, a tmux session can have multiple clients?
2021-11-01 18:03:22	MacGyver	Yes.
2021-11-01 18:04:25	Rucker	!paste
2021-11-01 18:04:25	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-11-01 18:05:47	h31m64llr50	who thief my nickname
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2021-11-01 18:06:14	susi	dunno, but if you want it back, I may have it for sell
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2021-11-01 18:11:43	h31m64llr50	funny susi, susimingioni
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2021-11-01 18:13:15	teraflops	h31m64llr50: do you have an arch linux related question? 
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2021-11-01 18:14:54	h31m64llr50	ofcourse give me time
2021-11-01 18:15:08	h31m64llr50	i've just formated partition
2021-11-01 18:15:23	h31m64llr50	now i need to create subvolume
2021-11-01 18:16:10	h31m64llr50	the subvolume i want to create are / /home /var /tmp /usr
2021-11-01 18:16:33	evilop	why not tmpfs /tmp?
2021-11-01 18:16:41	h31m64llr50	advice?
2021-11-01 18:16:47	evilop	also why seperate that much?
2021-11-01 18:17:11	mikebutash	arch really hates having a /usr dir in my experience 
2021-11-01 18:17:27	h31m64llr50	because i don't know what is tmpfs /tmp  probably temponary filesys
2021-11-01 18:17:32	evilop	doesn't hate it, and less of a problem with a subvol
2021-11-01 18:17:35	h31m64llr50	thx mike
2021-11-01 18:17:57	teraflops	separated var is even trickier
2021-11-01 18:17:59	h31m64llr50	its not better separate that much?
2021-11-01 18:18:00	evilop	h31m64llr50: tmpfs == ram backed temprorary filesystem (the default in arch for /tmp)
2021-11-01 18:18:08	mikebutash	well, hates a separate partition for /usr that is
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2021-11-01 18:18:25	thurstylark	h31m64llr50: did you use btrfs, or what?
2021-11-01 18:18:29	thurstylark	didn't specify
2021-11-01 18:18:36	mikebutash	I forget now why, but I could never get it to map it last time I tried
2021-11-01 18:18:39	teraflops	h31m64llr50: put in subvols what really will make a use of its features
2021-11-01 18:18:44	h31m64llr50	its an hdd not sdd more separate work better, no?
2021-11-01 18:18:47	h31m64llr50	btrfs
2021-11-01 18:18:56	evilop	spinner or not is not relevant
2021-11-01 18:18:59	h31m64llr50	sda3 are correctly formated btrfs
2021-11-01 18:19:18	evilop	(except that you should get a cheap ssd for the performance, its the most cost effective upgrade you can do)
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2021-11-01 18:19:43	h31m64llr50	i know but dont have money
2021-11-01 18:20:04	h31m64llr50	so usually make more partition and work faster
2021-11-01 18:20:10	thurstylark	wat
2021-11-01 18:20:14	evilop	more partitions != faster
2021-11-01 18:20:51	mikebutash	not all on the same disk anyways...
2021-11-01 18:20:56	thurstylark	if you need the features that this separation provides, then do it. if you don't need it, don't do it
2021-11-01 18:21:09	thurstylark	but that's the determination you should be making here
2021-11-01 18:21:16	mikebutash	I just like to keep random installs from filling up my / root
2021-11-01 18:21:26	thurstylark	also subvols != partitions and should not be treated the same
2021-11-01 18:21:26	teraflops	h31m64llr50: also partitionas are not subvols
2021-11-01 18:21:34	teraflops	heh
2021-11-01 18:21:39	⚡ 	thurstylark blows smoke from finger guns
2021-11-01 18:21:46	h31m64llr50	really? the hdd with os don't go to search what i need better
2021-11-01 18:22:05	h31m64llr50	know the subvols != partition
2021-11-01 18:22:34	h31m64llr50	so the advice is with 3 parttion the btrfs can have just 2 subvol?
2021-11-01 18:22:48	h31m64llr50	and work better??
2021-11-01 18:22:53	⚡ 	thurstylark is having a hard time parsing this dude
2021-11-01 18:22:55	ℹ 	lkor es conocido ahora como lionkor
2021-11-01 18:23:11	teraflops	h31m64llr50: why 3 partitions?
2021-11-01 18:23:15	teraflops	I wonder
2021-11-01 18:23:17	evilop	h31m64llr50: harddrives supports random access, the OS doesn't go trough the entire thing from one end to the other to find out where stuff is
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2021-11-01 18:23:43	h31m64llr50	sda1 efi sda2 swap sda3 btrfs with subvol @ and @home
2021-11-01 18:23:52	evilop	and partitions does not mean that it can go and look up two different things at once
2021-11-01 18:24:01	teraflops	h31m64llr50: ah that sounds better
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2021-11-01 18:24:54	h31m64llr50	its goig to search on the right sector and not on the entire disk this will make faster 
2021-11-01 18:25:18	jkc	h31m64llr50: That has nothing to do with partitions. It doesn't search at all.
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2021-11-01 18:26:23	jkc	Finding the correct sectors for a file on disk is a simple matter of a lookup in a table (oversimplified, but its about right).
2021-11-01 18:26:34	jkc	It doesn't search the whole partition. It's not a tape.
2021-11-01 18:26:48	h31m64llr50	understand 
2021-11-01 18:27:00	h31m64llr50	so i will create 2 subvol?
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2021-11-01 18:28:28	h31m64llr50	btrfs subvolume create /mnt/@ (is it correct?)
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2021-11-01 18:29:23	h31m64llr50	btrfs subvolume create /mnt/@home
2021-11-01 18:29:43	h31m64llr50	others subvolume ??
2021-11-01 18:29:52	jkc	Why do you feel that you need them so badly?
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2021-11-01 18:32:21	MacGyver	Oof, that's a consideration I haven't heard in a looooooong time.
2021-11-01 18:32:25	MacGyver	And so warped by misunderstanding.
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2021-11-01 18:33:04	MacGyver	Placing the partitions from which you need the highest performance first (iirc first) because that's the outside of the disk so has higher read and write-speed.
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2021-11-01 18:33:56	jkc	Which doesn't apply to btrfs because the subvols are interleaved, as I understand the on-disk format.
2021-11-01 18:34:30	One39Dev	another day another shitty gnome crash. 
2021-11-01 18:35:00	One39Dev	what the hell anymore. I keep seeing bunch of gnome-shell core dumps in the log. 
2021-11-01 18:35:31	One39Dev	As well as gnome documents crashing on every few minutes. Although I dont using it I guess related to accounts.
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2021-11-01 18:35:52	One39Dev	and now there is a new thing. 
2021-11-01 18:36:15	h31m64llr50	jkc that's correct but why only @ & @home subvolume ?
2021-11-01 18:36:24	One39Dev	somehow partial update which was not inlcuding pipewire has messed up kernel moudles. 
2021-11-01 18:36:34	One39Dev	No mic until I finish update.
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2021-11-01 18:37:16	One39Dev	And how your day was linuxers.
2021-11-01 18:37:26	mikebutash	leaking of pipewire libs seems to have horked up my pulseaudio working for years - I had to switch over and reboot fully to pipewire to get audio back and stable.
2021-11-01 18:37:40	h31m64llr50	obviusly for simplicity but don't think also for performance
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2021-11-01 18:39:52	jkc	h31m64llr50: It has no impact on performance. Stop it.
2021-11-01 18:39:58	jkc	This has been explained several times and in several ways.
2021-11-01 18:40:25	mikebutash	I mostly keep /var, /var/log, /usr, /home, /opt separate to see who's hoarding disk space over time, and grow the vols as I need them.
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2021-11-01 18:43:09	mikebutash	I mostly use lvm2 still for this, but using FDE too underneath as the pv.
2021-11-01 18:43:27	susi	if using subvols, no need for lvm I guess
2021-11-01 18:43:34	◣	Dark (~dark@user/dark) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2021-11-01 18:43:48	mikebutash	Been wanting to try zfs with native encryption to remove the need for mdraid/luks/lvm
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2021-11-01 18:44:31	jkc	susi: Yeah, things like btrfs and zfs aim to obviate the need for a management layer underneath.
2021-11-01 18:44:55	mikebutash	exactly
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2021-11-01 18:45:36	mikebutash	I'd love to hear of any real world use case of this with zfs...
2021-11-01 18:46:36	brejela	So. I just upgraded my system. And now Xorg won't work.
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2021-11-01 18:47:26	brejela	It's weird that now lsmod | grep nvidia returns nothing...
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2021-11-01 18:47:40	Namarrgon	uname -r
2021-11-01 18:48:00	h31m64llr50	"Been wanting to try zfs with native encryption to remove the need for mdraid/luks/lvm" thats intersting 
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2021-11-01 18:48:24	alad	sounds like something you'd do and then break totally the next month
2021-11-01 18:48:25	brejela	Namarrgon: 5.14.14-arch1-1
2021-11-01 18:48:38	Namarrgon	brejela: find a better mirror and -Syu again
2021-11-01 18:48:47	◣	igemnace (~ian@user/igemnace) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2021-11-01 18:49:18	brejela	Namarrgon: Aw shucks
2021-11-01 18:49:25	brejela	Did the repos get messed up?
2021-11-01 18:49:32	alad	the repos don't get messed up
2021-11-01 18:49:35	alad	mirrors mess it up
2021-11-01 18:49:43	brejela	Thank you alad 
2021-11-01 18:49:51	alad	so reflector etc.
2021-11-01 18:49:52	brejela	I'll have "pedantic" for $500
2021-11-01 18:50:01	alad	I'd write pedantic in my name but I only have 4 letters 
2021-11-01 18:50:11	brejela	!grab alad 
2021-11-01 18:50:11	phrik	brejela: Tada!
2021-11-01 18:51:26	mikebutash	did you watch the upgrade if dkms built your nvidia modules properly?
2021-11-01 18:51:28	brejela	Should I just generate a new mirrorlist?
2021-11-01 18:51:35	wasamasa	Smash the stack for pedantery
2021-11-01 18:52:09	brejela	mikebutash: I wasn't usking the nvidia-dkms package. Then I tried using it. Still same result.
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2021-11-01 18:52:25	mikebutash	I've had some kernel/nvidia drivers not build right, but my laptop is hybrid so at least tends to come up at least on my intel gpu.
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2021-11-01 18:53:25	brejela	I'm not fully on dkms. But considering Namarrgon 's response, and how quickly it was, I think there's something wrong with the mirrors.
2021-11-01 18:53:40	brejela	s/not/now
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2021-11-01 18:55:59	mikebutash	a clean mirror and make sure your keyring is updated, these sometimes make upgrades messy.
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2021-11-01 18:56:19	shem	i've been running root on zfs, native encryption on this laptop for about a year, been happy with it
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2021-11-01 18:56:42	h31m64llr50	for install plasma is before or after pacstrap?
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2021-11-01 18:57:06	NetSysFire	you can do it during pacstrap
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2021-11-01 18:58:16	Namarrgon	brejela: the kernel was pushed too late after the nvidia update, your slow mirror has still not caught up
2021-11-01 18:58:55	brejela	Namarrgon: Can you recommend me a link?
2021-11-01 18:58:56	h31m64llr50	how i never learn ...
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2021-11-01 18:59:21	Namarrgon	brejela: a link to what?
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2021-11-01 18:59:28	brejela	A mirror link
2021-11-01 18:59:31	h31m64llr50	i feel so newbie in this moment
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2021-11-01 18:59:49	Namarrgon	!mirrorstatus
2021-11-01 18:59:50	phrik	Check the status of the mirrors here: http://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/status/
2021-11-01 19:00:15	alad	!reflector
2021-11-01 19:00:16	phrik	reflector -p https -c <country> --score 10 --sort rate --save /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
2021-11-01 19:00:24	h31m64llr50	adding plasma-kde on pacstrap?? NetSysFire
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2021-11-01 19:04:22	jonathon	brejela: Kepler GPU? 495xx dropped support, you'll need 470xx instead
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2021-11-01 19:05:22	ℹ 	h31m64llr50 es conocido ahora como h31m64llr
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2021-11-01 19:05:41	mikebutash	shem: thanks for that, I have a system I was playing with it on, just never got it fully booting.
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2021-11-01 19:06:20	debarch	After upgrading archlinux, my keyboard is changed from "German (Switzerland) French (Switzerland)" to "German (Switzerland)" which results to the english . This should be a bug. Who to report this? 
2021-11-01 19:06:49	◥	h31m64llr71 (~h31m64llr@5.170.129.1) has joined #archlinux
2021-11-01 19:06:56	h31m64llr71	again ghosted...
2021-11-01 19:07:01	◣	d_garbage (~free@user/d-garbage/x-2624314) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2021-11-01 19:07:05	h31m64llr71	so funny people here
2021-11-01 19:07:18	mikebutash	I was setting up zfs a between a few walkthroughs including the official and others for separate volume encryptions, just never got the whole thing booting cleanly
2021-11-01 19:07:40	ℹ 	h31m64llr es conocido ahora como Guest9210
2021-11-01 19:07:40	ℹ 	h31m64llr71 es conocido ahora como h31m64llr
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2021-11-01 19:08:31	brejela	jonathon: Aaaaaw shucks
2021-11-01 19:08:48	shem	mikebutash: the guide at https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Arch%20Linux/Arch%20Linux%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html is easier to follow than the arch wiki one, at least for me
2021-11-01 19:08:49	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Root on ZFS — OpenZFS documentation (at openzfs.github.io)
2021-11-01 19:09:40	wasamasa	Is there anything to worry about the homed config defaulting to btrfs?
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2021-11-01 19:11:28	Fr0stBit	Hello!
2021-11-01 19:11:55	thurstylark	!welcome
2021-11-01 19:11:56	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2021-11-01 19:12:01	◣	thingfish (~thingfish@user/thingfish) ha salido (Quit: Leaving.)
2021-11-01 19:12:20	greyltc	Huh.
2021-11-01 19:12:24	node1	Does archlinux has ami for aws?
2021-11-01 19:12:25	Fr0stBit	With 5.15 kernel I suppose that the ntfs-3g package will not be needed any more?
2021-11-01 19:12:35	greyltc	there's ArchWSL for windows
2021-11-01 19:12:42	greyltc	anyone tried that?
2021-11-01 19:12:56	thurstylark	greyltc: ooh, wsl 1 or 2?
2021-11-01 19:13:00	greyltc	2
2021-11-01 19:13:04	thurstylark	ehh
2021-11-01 19:13:18	⚡ 	thurstylark vm's all his windows, so wsl2 is no go :P
2021-11-01 19:13:21	greyltc	And on a related note, is the logo/name usage approved?
2021-11-01 19:13:29	greyltc	thurstylark: both
2021-11-01 19:13:37	greyltc	looks like it works on both 1 and 2
2021-11-01 19:13:43	greyltc	1 with a mod
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2021-11-01 19:13:45	⚡ 	thurstylark is suddenly interested again
2021-11-01 19:14:14	greyltc	"IF YOU USE WSL1, YOU MUST REPLACE GLIBC PACKAGE ON THE FIRST RUN OF INSTANCE, Please refer to docs"
2021-11-01 19:14:50	◣	horseface (~horseface@user/horseface) ha salido (Quit: Ping timeout: 120 seconds)
2021-11-01 19:14:58	h31m64llr	"Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up." lol
2021-11-01 19:15:07	h31m64llr	and ghost me now 
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2021-11-01 19:15:23	brejela	jonathon: nvidia-470xx-dkms?
2021-11-01 19:15:23	h31m64llr	i like the style of arch it's very anarchy 
2021-11-01 19:15:30	greyltc	But unless they've got the permission of someone important, I'm pretty sure they can't use this: https://github.com/yuk7/ArchWSL/blob/43c386cda08f4c6c6fec8d275f33fe457cc50648/wsldl-AppX/images/SplashScreen.scale-200.png
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2021-11-01 19:15:47	mikebutash	shem:  This is what I was working with trying to get the various volumes to encrypt and boot unlock, seemed promising, then went away for a bit and need to retry.  https://github.com/chungy/zfs-boottime-encryption
2021-11-01 19:16:17	◣	Xianx (~Xianx@Linuxkompis/Member/Xianx) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.3)
2021-11-01 19:16:41	NetSysFire	h31m64llr: can you please keep it in the channel
2021-11-01 19:16:55	NetSysFire	random pms to someone are seen as rude and arent very helpful
2021-11-01 19:17:50	h31m64llr	pacstrap /mnt base-devel linux linux-firmware nano btrfs-progs grub-btrfs 
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2021-11-01 19:18:11	h31m64llr	what i must add for plasma DE and for linux-hardened kernel?
2021-11-01 19:18:20	thurstylark	!give h31m64llr aw plasma
2021-11-01 19:18:21	phrik	h31m64llr: Plasma - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Plasma
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2021-11-01 19:18:28	thurstylark	!give h31m64llr aw aur
2021-11-01 19:18:29	phrik	h31m64llr: Aur - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Aur
2021-11-01 19:18:33	thurstylark	h31m64llr: read up
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2021-11-01 19:18:57	h31m64llr	thx
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2021-11-01 19:22:12	thurstylark	I have no idea what you're trying to say
2021-11-01 19:22:17	brejela	jonathon: Thank you buddy. I'd probably be wandering around like an idiot before I looked up the supported cards on the new driver.
2021-11-01 19:22:41	brejela	I just assumed my GTX650 would be supported indefinitely lol
2021-11-01 19:22:50	shem	mikebutash: at boot i give the disk decryption passphrase, then i log on. would be nice to do it in one step but the solutions seemed fragile 
2021-11-01 19:23:37	◣	rpthms (~rpthms@user/rpthms) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2021-11-01 19:24:32	h31m64llr	sto mesi sulla wiki a cercare di capire
2021-11-01 19:24:38	h31m64llr	so ...
2021-11-01 19:25:23	h31m64llr	pacstrap plasma-desktop plasma-wayland-session xorg is it correct?
2021-11-01 19:25:26	◣	brejela (~brejela@user/brejela) ha salido (Quit: To the pub!)
2021-11-01 19:25:26	thurstylark	we have language-specific channels if that will work better for you
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2021-11-01 19:26:09	h31m64llr	at?
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2021-11-01 19:26:50	mikebutash	shem:  that link seemed promising for me, luks to protect the keystore, then uses that to unlock with keyfiles the rest of the encrypted stores.  I need to get back and try that again, it almost worked and a power outage horked it up.  Been angry to go back and finish it.
2021-11-01 19:26:59	susi	h31m64llr: check arch wiki for plasma
2021-11-01 19:27:16	NetSysFire	!give h31m64llr aw irc
2021-11-01 19:27:17	phrik	h31m64llr: Irc - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Irc
2021-11-01 19:27:24	NetSysFire	we have wiki articles for *everything*
2021-11-01 19:27:28	evilop	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_IRC_channels#International_IRC_channels
2021-11-01 19:27:29	phrik	Title: Arch IRC channels - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-01 19:27:31	h31m64llr	i've checked
2021-11-01 19:27:40	evilop	linked from the homepage
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2021-11-01 19:28:22	◣	synchris (~quassel@user/synchris) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2021-11-01 19:28:27	h31m64llr	italian channel doesnt exist
2021-11-01 19:28:35	◣	LordRishav (~LordRisha@user/lordrishav) ha salido (Quit: Ight Imma Head out)
2021-11-01 19:28:43	h31m64llr	that cause ialian are stupid and don't know how to install arch
2021-11-01 19:28:50	shem	mikebutash: sounds sane. another interesting avenue would be to use TPM but the implementations seemed sketchy
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2021-11-01 19:29:52	susi	h31m64llr: try -mafia
2021-11-01 19:30:08	mikebutash	shem: agreed, looked at that too.  TPM always seems sketchy, not sure why microsoft loves it so much.
2021-11-01 19:30:11	h31m64llr	susi mingioni you are fun
2021-11-01 19:30:19	h31m64llr	want spaghetti?
2021-11-01 19:30:28	susi	I prefer noodles
2021-11-01 19:30:47	h31m64llr	chinese pasta it's an imitation
2021-11-01 19:30:56	h31m64llr	like debian and arch
2021-11-01 19:31:35	evilop	you might want #archlinux-rambling
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2021-11-01 19:32:35	h31m64llr	evilop not #archlinux-newbie ??
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2021-11-01 19:35:56	evilop	correct
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2021-11-01 19:38:38	horseface	https://bpa.st/GUAA
2021-11-01 19:38:39	phrik	Title: View paste GUAA (at bpa.st)
2021-11-01 19:38:41	horseface	op
2021-11-01 19:38:44	horseface	wrong chat!
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2021-11-01 19:41:42	susi	doas :o
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2021-11-01 19:42:14	susi	I've been thinking should I switch from sudo to doas ;p
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2021-11-01 19:44:26	hejux	i love arch 
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2021-11-01 19:45:06	susi	if you really love it, consider donating to it 
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2021-11-01 19:49:35	hejux	doge coin?
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2021-11-01 19:49:52	NetSysFire	no, archcoin
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2021-11-02 17:17:42	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2021-11-02 17:17:42	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1309 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1308 normals)
2021-11-02 16:07:37	JPT	salkin: I'm not 100% sure, but it refers to so called conntrack helpers which can help you out when trying to allow traffic for ESTABLISHED/RELATED. A conntrack helper could e.g. figure out that a new TCP connection actually belonged to an established FTP session and allow it, because it is related 
2021-11-02 16:17:25	salkin	JPT: okay interesting :) i dont remember using any helpers. But finding this to be a related read: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=224647
2021-11-02 16:17:26	phrik	Title: [Solved] nf_conntrack default automatic helper assignment / Networking, Server, and Protection / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-11-02 16:50:16	susi	arch wiki says: For example, man fails to work properly unless its seccomp environment flag is disabled due to not having getrandom in the standard whitelist, although this can be easily fixed by rebuilding it with the system call added.
2021-11-02 16:50:37	susi	but it seemingly works however, is that deprecated info, or how should that problem manifest itself
2021-11-02 16:59:03	NetSysFire	you are very welcome to contribute to the archwiki
2021-11-02 16:59:11	NetSysFire	if you are unsure you can also use the discussion page instead
2021-11-02 16:59:54	Namarrgon	next time mention which page you're talking about
2021-11-02 17:00:14	Namarrgon	did you install any of the malloc replacements?
2021-11-02 17:04:02	excalibur8959	is it possible to customize the boot message of grub at boot ?
2021-11-02 17:05:17	susi	if I add stuff under limits.d/, how should I effect the changes without reboot?
2021-11-02 17:07:21	susi	or will it be immediate because of pam
2021-11-02 17:07:39	Namarrgon	susi: relogin
2021-11-02 17:07:43	Namarrgon	excalibur8959: which one?
2021-11-02 17:11:04	excalibur8959	Namarrgon: Like to print some message to screen when grub says loading initial ram disk
2021-11-02 17:11:30	Namarrgon	did you look at grub.cfg?
2021-11-02 17:12:12	excalibur8959	I tried to add a echo command there but it just straight up didn't boot, I had to went back use arch-chroot from a usb
2021-11-02 17:12:22	excalibur8959	I'm not sure what didn't work 
2021-11-02 17:12:32	susi	Namarrgon: I installed libhardened_malloc.so from AUR, /Security#hardened_malloc in wiki states that.. I thought it was obvious so didn't mention
2021-11-02 17:12:45	susi	states that = what I mentioned earlier
2021-11-02 17:13:32	susi	man seems to work with it without complaining :)
2021-11-02 17:13:40	nergar	systemd is randomizing my MAC address and I can't quite tell which setting to change. All I did was copy /usr/lib/systemd/80-wifi-station.network.example to /etc/systemd/network/80-wifi-station.network and `iwctl wlan0 station connect MYWIFI` but everytime it boots it has a different mac address and this is braking my dhcp reservations
2021-11-02 17:13:52	nergar	any points would be appreciated 
2021-11-02 17:14:11	Namarrgon	excalibur8959: where did you add that echo?
2021-11-02 17:14:12	nergar	s/points/pointers/
2021-11-02 17:14:42	Namarrgon	susi: how did you set up man to preload the lib?
2021-11-02 17:14:52	Namarrgon	*mandb
2021-11-02 17:15:51	susi	with LD_PRELOAD, but also added it to /etc/ld.so.preload
2021-11-02 17:16:29	ghostbuster	how long does it usually take for a new kernel minor version to land in repos?
2021-11-02 17:17:05	Namarrgon	anywhere from minutes to weeks
2021-11-02 17:17:43	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-11-02 17:17:52	susi	iirc there was about once a week a new kernel
2021-11-02 17:18:03	susi	when I used to use the default kernel, it's been long ago
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2021-11-02 17:21:36	thurstylark	!give ghostbuster when
2021-11-02 17:21:37	phrik	ghostbuster: When it's ready. ™
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2021-11-02 17:25:03	excalibur8959	Namarrgon: right after the one which grub says "loading init image"
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2021-11-02 17:29:19	ghostbuster	didn't realize that was such a hostile question i asked, sorry
2021-11-02 17:29:33	LaserEyess	is there any reason why python 3.10 isn't even in testing?
2021-11-02 17:29:41	gehidore	didn't look like a hostile response
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2021-11-02 17:29:57	nergar	it was NetworkManager.service doing the randomizing, although I couldn't find any relevant setting so I just disabled the service
2021-11-02 17:30:01	gehidore	that's the nature of the Arch; Things are ready when they're ready
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2021-11-02 17:30:43	ghostbuster	gehidore: if we're getting pedantic, maybe the word 'usually' was ambiguous and i should've specified 'mean/median/mode'
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2021-11-02 17:31:15	⚡ 	thurstylark definitely didn't mean it to be hostile
2021-11-02 17:31:25	thurstylark	"when it's ready" is genuine
2021-11-02 17:31:35	gehidore	I'm pretty sure I'll stab the next person that uses the buzzword pedantic
2021-11-02 17:31:42	thurstylark	that varies pretty heavily based on lots of factors
2021-11-02 17:32:05	gehidore	there's no usually, that's the honest truth
2021-11-02 17:32:12	gehidore	it might be a day it might be a week it might be *
2021-11-02 17:32:16	thurstylark	^
2021-11-02 17:32:19	gehidore	it might never show up
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2021-11-02 17:33:38	Foxboron	and with new major releases one usually waits for the .1 release aswell. Next week maybe
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2021-11-02 17:34:10	thurstylark	then there's domino effects from *other* package updates to contend with
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2021-11-02 17:34:18	Foxboron	ghostbuster: you missed the arch-general thread and the 4chan threads with some quite vile words on this topic. People are tired from people demaning
2021-11-02 17:34:20	Foxboron	demanding*
2021-11-02 17:34:23	thurstylark	it's too wibbly wobbly to give any definite answer
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2021-11-02 17:35:01	LaserEyess	ok different topic I guess but I'll assume that answers my python question as well
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2021-11-02 17:35:14	thurstylark	pretty much :P
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2021-11-02 17:35:29	Foxboron	LaserEyess: you need an entire rebuild of python-*
2021-11-02 17:36:04	Foxboron	It litterally depends on some people going "yeah I'll block off 2 weeks helping with this"
2021-11-02 17:36:04	LaserEyess	right, but surely you'd need 3.10 in testing to even *test* the entire rebuild of python-*
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2021-11-02 17:36:04	LaserEyess	I understand why it's not in the main repos yet
2021-11-02 17:36:07	Foxboron	No, you do rebuilds towards a staging repository
2021-11-02 17:36:13	Foxboron	else you break testing, which isn't great
2021-11-02 17:36:20	LaserEyess	I see
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2021-11-02 17:36:58	Foxboron	so rebuild everything python, then drop it off into testing
2021-11-02 17:37:05	thurstylark	would it be off-base to call the testing repo "the closest thing Arch comes to beta releases"? :P
2021-11-02 17:37:07	Foxboron	then see if there is anything missing before moving to core repos
2021-11-02 17:37:20	LaserEyess	is that staging repo public?
2021-11-02 17:37:31	Foxboron	LaserEyess: of course, but you don't want to use it
2021-11-02 17:38:26	LaserEyess	probably not, I guess, I just didn't see it on archlinux.org, I had assumed testing was the staging repo
2021-11-02 17:38:46	Foxboron	I run testing on all my machines. I don't want staging packages to go there :p
2021-11-02 17:40:08	LaserEyess	sounds like there needs to be a testing-testing repo
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2021-11-02 17:40:08	ghostbuster	Foxboron: i had a feeling it was not a reaction solely to my question - i was careful to ask how long it's historically taken, and tried not to come across as asking why it's not released yet, demanding, etc
2021-11-02 17:40:08	Foxboron	ghostbuster: you can't escape it :p you are not even the first doing just that
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2021-11-02 17:40:41	Foxboron	ghostbuster: but us going "whenever someone has time" isn't exactly hostile either frankly
2021-11-02 17:40:43	ghostbuster	this is not an arch-specific thing, i am noticing it across irc more and more
2021-11-02 17:41:00	MacGyver	But the "when it's ready" is the honest-to-deity general arch packaging philosophy.
2021-11-02 17:41:17	ghostbuster	that's entirely fair
2021-11-02 17:41:18	MacGyver	For comparison, here's a hostile response:
2021-11-02 17:41:21	Foxboron	"Whenever I'm not lazy"
2021-11-02 17:41:24	⚡ 	Foxboron looks at his update queue
2021-11-02 17:41:35	⚡ 	ghostbuster sigh
2021-11-02 17:41:38	MacGyver	!when5
2021-11-02 17:41:38	phrik	every time someone asks about a release date it is postponed by a week
2021-11-02 17:41:55	MacGyver	(That used to be the default ~when)
2021-11-02 17:42:00	MacGyver	s/~/!/
2021-11-02 17:42:09	ghostbuster	well i guess that's progress that it got demoted
2021-11-02 17:42:23	Foxboron	:)
2021-11-02 17:42:59	MacGyver	We should have a !when that says "Two weeks before Manjaro has it"
2021-11-02 17:43:17	excalibur8959	when I start gdm my tty freezes, how can I know if it's my graphics card that's bad
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2021-11-02 17:57:23	skreech	are you able to ssh in from a different machine and monitor dmesg -we from there?
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2021-11-02 17:58:47	susi	MacGyver: so Manjaro's better tested :S
2021-11-02 17:58:58	susi	no wonder they call it so stable
2021-11-02 17:59:05	MacGyver	susi: That's certainly one way of looking at it, yes.
2021-11-02 17:59:09	susi	8)
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2021-11-02 18:10:14	susi	I sometimes read Manjaro forums just for fun, there's so big a difference in the quality of questions and especially answers between manjaro and arch forums
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2021-11-02 18:10:35	another|	got an example?
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2021-11-02 18:10:52	susi	nope, just a general feeling
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2021-11-02 18:11:45	thurstylark	it's probably not totally dissimilar to the disparity between the bug reports that game devs recieve from windows users vs linux users :P
2021-11-02 18:12:15	A17	Is it possible to `ln` directly to a samba share in a way that's transparent?
2021-11-02 18:12:57	A17	In windows, I can `mklink /d \\hostname\folder\path C:\path` (maybe switch the last two arguments?)
2021-11-02 18:13:20	A17	and it just works. I have a directory that transparently works even though it's pulling from the samba share
2021-11-02 18:13:24	thurstylark	does a symlink not do what you want?
2021-11-02 18:13:36	another|	mount it
2021-11-02 18:13:43	A17	it creates this weird icon that doesn't track into the share properly
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2021-11-02 18:14:14	rcf	A17: it must be mounted to work properly 
2021-11-02 18:15:16	rcf	It is viewed as more reasonable in these parts because you don’t need to waste a drive letter 
2021-11-02 18:15:46	A17	That must be it. I just thought there would be an easier method given the "windows way", but I figured it would come down to an fstab entry and storing credentials
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2021-11-02 18:15:51	A17	just never a fan of doing that
2021-11-02 18:16:31	Namarrgon	you should need to store credential for a symlink, too
2021-11-02 18:16:54	A17	Doing it through dolphin stores it securely in a keychain though.
2021-11-02 18:17:19	A17	Doing it in FSTAB means putting a password right in FSTAB or in another file that is pointed at with the credentials in it.
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2021-11-02 18:22:17	A17	I suppose there are other methods like systemd units, but I just wish there was a way to avoid storing creds in plaintext to do this.
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2021-11-02 18:25:28	teraflops	A17: https://github.com/sudoofus/cifscloak
2021-11-02 18:25:45	teraflops	or just set a cred file root owned and chmod 600
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2021-11-02 18:27:37	teraflops	all this shit will change when in-kernel smb? 
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2021-11-02 18:30:15	A17	teraflops: well, at least that's something. thank you! I might just go with the cred file, problem is the whole threat model around physical access. At least with a keyring, you have to know the master password. Cred file you just need a live system on a USB stick and that root/600 hardly matters
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2021-11-02 18:36:10	teraflops	I prefer to export shares using NFS if those are going to be used on linux despite they are already shared via SMB
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2021-11-02 18:37:57	mikebutash	if only nfs didn't freak out the entire os everytime one disconnects their laptop.
2021-11-02 18:39:13	A17	Yea I'd like to avoid any data corruption from soft timeouts as well
2021-11-02 18:39:38	A17	Curse my ever expanding needs
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2021-11-02 18:44:20	Linkandzelda	god bless the aur
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2021-11-02 18:44:54	thurstylark	as if god has any part in it... :P
2021-11-02 18:45:03	mikebutash	for me nfs is a real pain to use as occasionally I have to pick up and go on-site to rip apart a data center, and forgetting to umount nfs prior just crashes everything ugly still to have to reboot.
2021-11-02 18:45:18	MacGyver	thurstylark: As if the AUR is blessed.
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2021-11-02 18:45:27	thurstylark	let's be honest, it is a forsaken land
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2021-11-02 18:45:59	MacGyver	If it's ever gotten any divine attention, it's been cursed.
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2021-11-02 18:46:30	Ingar	I'm investigating my spontanious reboots, I don't believe the PSU is at fault. Going to verify it still crashes and then switch the 6900XT back to the 5700XT
2021-11-02 18:46:41	thurstylark	the AUR is awesome in more of a creatively-decorated-dumpster-fire way...
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2021-11-02 18:46:51	ℹ 	xoan2 es conocido ahora como xoan
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2021-11-02 18:47:37	Ingar	in the meanwhile, is there a 2021.11 live iso ? 
2021-11-02 18:47:49	teraflops	cursed and blessed by the devil is the same ;D
2021-11-02 18:47:55	evilop	Ingar: archlinux.org/downloads
2021-11-02 18:48:24	Ingar	404 :p
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2021-11-02 18:48:43	evilop	-s
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2021-11-02 18:49:10	Ingar	evilop: I was asking because it wasn't there yesterday when I checked :p
2021-11-02 18:49:26	evilop	yesterday was yesterday
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2021-11-02 18:49:31	evilop	sidenote: there is an atom feed
2021-11-02 18:49:59	Ingar	evilop: atm, my troubles are still as nearby as yesterday
2021-11-02 18:50:17	susi	does 'curse' imply its negative? the word in my language is pretty neutral whether it's psitive or negative 'curse'
2021-11-02 18:50:37	evilop	https://archlinux.org/feeds/releases/
2021-11-02 18:50:38	phrik	Title: Arch Linux: Releases2021.11.012021.10.012021.09.01 (at archlinux.org)
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2021-11-02 18:55:18	teraflops	susi: in english it definitely does (after reading at its etymology)
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2021-11-02 19:17:02	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2021-11-02 19:17:02	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1320 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1319 normals)
2021-11-02 19:17:02	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-11-02 19:34:40	susi	if I have stuff in /etc/ld.so.preload, would LD_PRELOAD= firefox effectively disable it for firefox?
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2021-11-02 19:42:47	mpan	susi: no, the environment variable takes precedence.
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2021-11-02 19:44:07	mpan	susi: see `man ld.so` and the paragraph about “/etc/ld.so.preload” at the end (the “FILES” section).
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2021-11-04 17:13:53	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2021-11-04 17:13:53	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1333 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1332 normals)
2021-11-04 17:13:52	raster	dunno
2021-11-04 17:13:53	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-11-04 17:14:21	novns	CubeTheThird, alt+f2, lg, click windows and you can inspect there
2021-11-04 17:14:36	LordRishav	ksp: So are you banned on IRC or Matrix?
2021-11-04 17:14:52	NetSysFire	can we stop discussing bans in public
2021-11-04 17:14:56	ksp	Obviously Matrix
2021-11-04 17:15:00	NetSysFire	this only causes drama
2021-11-04 17:15:04	ksp	I wouldn't be talking here if it was IRC
2021-11-04 17:15:18	raster	well you could be evading the ban... :)
2021-11-04 17:15:38	raster	but that's not helpful here
2021-11-04 17:15:49	LordRishav	ksp: You must've been given a ban message in the room. Check that
2021-11-04 17:15:50	raster	i can't help - i have no idea ...
2021-11-04 17:16:13	NetSysFire	i know our dear fox was talking about that so he might know more
2021-11-04 17:16:19	ksp	I can't check ban messages if I can't join
2021-11-04 17:16:28	ksp	🤨
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2021-11-04 17:18:09	LordRishav	ksp: Ask Foxboron, heftig, andrewSC or diabonas 
2021-11-04 17:18:44	teraflops	ksp: you can list channel operators/admins, os get the list and pm them
2021-11-04 17:18:50	teraflops	os/so
2021-11-04 17:19:12	NetSysFire	those arent necessarily matrix admins though
2021-11-04 17:19:20	teraflops	it's just this kind of conversations in public are not ok at all
2021-11-04 17:19:34	NetSysFire	yes which i already said and pointed to a contact
2021-11-04 17:19:58	LordRishav	NetSysFire: I am in the Matrix room and they are the Admins there, so yes
2021-11-04 17:19:58	teraflops	I bet they know the matrix admins
2021-11-04 17:20:01	andrewSC	ksp: I would speak with diabonas as it looks like he actioned the ban
2021-11-04 17:20:13	ksp	What's his Matrix
2021-11-04 17:20:34	LordRishav	@diabonas:archlinux.org
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2021-11-04 17:37:07	ℹ 	bin es conocido ahora como sbin
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2021-11-04 17:44:19	ksp	Is anyone gonna stop connecting and disconnecting and actually talk
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2021-11-04 17:45:07	LordRishav	One doesn't simply talk
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2021-11-04 17:46:33	NetSysFire	sir, this is irc
2021-11-04 17:46:49	susi	I only talk when I want someone else to google it for me
2021-11-04 17:46:58	NetSysFire	ouch
2021-11-04 17:47:08	NetSysFire	irc is 95% idling, 4% reconnecting, 0.8% trolling and 0.2% actual usefulness
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2021-11-04 17:47:43	[czar]	Thought this channel was on-topic only
2021-11-04 17:47:58	◣	Lucretius (~Lucretius@187.20.106.51) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2021-11-04 17:47:59	susi	isn't IRC on-topic on IRC
2021-11-04 17:48:01	[czar]	At least it was on freenode 
2021-11-04 17:48:15	NetSysFire	it still is
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2021-11-04 17:48:19	NetSysFire	its basically the same channel
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2021-11-04 17:48:51	[czar]	So why are people complaining about channel activity?
2021-11-04 17:49:04	NetSysFire	because they are impatient
2021-11-04 17:49:05	susi	because there's no pre-censorship
2021-11-04 17:49:23	MacGyver	Also calling one person "people" is a bit of a stretch.
2021-11-04 17:49:32	NetSysFire	also true
2021-11-04 17:49:38	[czar]	Last time I talked here my pacman was broken
2021-11-04 17:49:42	LordRishav	Maybe it is only on-topic when there is a support request
2021-11-04 17:50:20	teraflops	ksp: so your idea is to stay here till you get banned as well?
2021-11-04 17:50:22	susi	[czar]: your input just generated a dozen off-topic-ish messages
2021-11-04 17:50:34	ksp	Alright imma leave
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2021-11-04 17:50:42	NetSysFire	wow
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2021-11-04 17:52:01	⚡ 	[czar] shrugs
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2021-11-04 17:57:46	ℹ 	xoan9 es conocido ahora como xoan
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2021-11-04 18:24:09	low-key	I'm confused about how password-store works
2021-11-04 18:24:28	low-key	What's encrypted with my private key can be decrypted with my public key, right?
2021-11-04 18:24:46	[czar]	Do you mean pass?
2021-11-04 18:24:57	low-key	But when migrating my store to Android, I only needed to copy over my private key
2021-11-04 18:25:04	low-key	[czar]: yup
2021-11-04 18:25:20	low-key	So it's handling both encryption and decryption then?
2021-11-04 18:25:21	[czar]	It's basic gpg
2021-11-04 18:25:42	low-key	In that case I think I'm confused about basic gpg then
2021-11-04 18:25:53	low-key	The private key can be used for both?
2021-11-04 18:26:52	low-key	TIL symmetric encryption is a thing
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2021-11-04 18:27:08	low-key	🤦🏽‍♂️
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2021-11-04 18:28:20	[czar]	You can encrypt with your public key and only decrypt with the private  
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2021-11-04 18:30:10	MacGyver	You don't encrypt with the private key, and that's where your understanding goes off the rails.
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2021-11-04 18:30:43	MacGyver	So forget about everything else you've concluded for a second, and go back to that: you *encrypt* with the public key, you *decrypt* with the private key.
2021-11-04 18:31:02	MacGyver	Does it make sense to you then, or do you have new questions?
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2021-11-04 18:33:00	susi	https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/ssl/how-does-public-key-encryption-work/
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2021-11-04 18:33:51	MacGyver	(One question could still be why you *only* have to copy over your private key then, to which there are three possible answers; one is that the public key is derivable from the private key; one that the public key is *contained* in the private key file due to how the format works; and one is that you simply can't *en*crypt on the system you copied the private but not the public key to.)
2021-11-04 18:34:00	teraflops	curl -L https://iterm2.com/shell_integration/install_shell_integration_and_utilities.sh | bash
2021-11-04 18:34:08	teraflops	oops
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2021-11-04 18:34:26	MacGyver	TERAFLOPS IS A CURL|SH PERSON! SHUN!
2021-11-04 18:34:34	teraflops	haha
2021-11-04 18:34:43	teraflops	sorry wrong buffer
2021-11-04 18:34:50	MacGyver	No no, right buffer.
2021-11-04 18:35:01	MacGyver	It's shown us all the depths of depravity that you'll sink to.
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2021-11-04 18:37:11	teraflops	heh
2021-11-04 18:37:36	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2021-11-04 18:38:17	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2021-11-04 18:38:19	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-11-04 18:38:42	susi	curl knows its output's gonna be piped, or what happens to the % Total % Received .... stuff?
2021-11-04 18:39:14	MacGyver	If curl's outputting to stdout, that output isn't present.
2021-11-04 18:39:22	MacGyver	But that's not the big issue here :P
2021-11-04 18:39:31	susi	I know, but was interested in
2021-11-04 18:39:32	teraflops	I can share the output but it's oftopic ;)
2021-11-04 18:40:51	susi	share some output off of a topic
2021-11-04 18:40:57	teraflops	https://gist.github.com/prietus/a70f027143f59c7cca9ccf4a2b1648c6/raw/5b2f7ccf5d73933812687d566bf44c6a9cd907fc/paste
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2021-11-04 18:41:44	susi	wut, >This page is protected by browser." tells Dark Reader
2021-11-04 18:42:08	Phunyun	Which package provides xauth?
2021-11-04 18:42:45	susi	you may ask pacman
2021-11-04 18:42:48	Namarrgon	!give Phunyun pacman-file
2021-11-04 18:42:50	phrik	Phunyun: Find out what package owns a file, even if the package isn't installed. pacman -Fy <file> (similar to !pkgfile)
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2021-11-04 18:45:12	teraflops	MacGyver: I wish I !grab the TERAFLOPS IS A CURL|SH PERSON! SHUN! ;)
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2021-11-04 18:45:57	ksp	Hello
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2021-11-04 18:53:26	ksp	When you set your IRC client to jetbrains mono <= => .=
2021-11-04 18:53:34	rcf	susi: stderr isn’t piped by default, so you can get by the progress information regardless of piping 
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2021-11-04 18:57:19	ksp	Why does arch still use the initscripts format for mkinitcpio
2021-11-04 18:57:20	teraflops	ksp: what do you mean, that <= => .= are not rendered properly?
2021-11-04 18:57:35	ksp	teraflops: they are rendered as ligatures
2021-11-04 18:57:50	susi	it was some change with some layout definition
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2021-11-04 18:58:10	ksp	>=> moment
2021-11-04 18:58:13	susi	ksp: what layout/variant are you usig
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2021-11-04 18:58:54	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-11-04 18:59:12	ksp	Jetbrains Mono Regular
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2021-11-04 18:59:27	ksp	Anyways wanna see my new quit message
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2021-11-04 19:00:19	ksp	I disabled the timestamp on my IRC client
2021-11-04 19:00:35	susi	ksp: no, I mean the what would you tell to setxkbmap to get your layout/variant
2021-11-04 19:00:43	mefistofeles	wg 32
2021-11-04 19:00:54	ksp	Idk check the manpage
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2021-11-04 19:01:58	susi	anyway, your layout or variant got a change to use those ligatures, it's been discussed multiple times here
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2021-11-04 19:02:17	ksp	I'm talking using a client on mobile rn
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2021-11-04 19:04:10	ksp	epic ping failure laugh at this user
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2021-11-04 19:30:58	Foxboron	ksp: You got banned for CoC violation. You where also online while it happened. Please don't cause more troubles.
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2021-11-04 19:31:10	ksp	I see
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2021-11-04 19:33:15	pulec	halp, I got kernel panic during booting
2021-11-04 19:33:22	pulec	updated after 1.5 year
2021-11-04 19:33:39	pulec	> Initramfs unpacking failed: junk in compressed archive
2021-11-04 19:34:08	Namarrgon	did you get errors generating the initramfs?
2021-11-04 19:34:10	pulec	> Kernel panic - not syncing VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(0,0)
2021-11-04 19:34:30	pulec	mkinitcpio ran fine
2021-11-04 19:34:38	pulec	I checked multiple times via archiso
2021-11-04 19:34:49	Namarrgon	does the fallback work?
2021-11-04 19:35:06	Namarrgon	which kernel version?
2021-11-04 19:36:01	pulec	oh fallback works
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2021-11-04 19:36:06	pulec	well I updated to latest
2021-11-04 19:36:26	Namarrgon	that's not always the one that is used for booting
2021-11-04 19:38:28	susi	you might be missing the initramfs for the booted kernel
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2021-11-04 19:38:50	pulec	oh wait
2021-11-04 19:38:55	pulec	it tried to run linux-rc
2021-11-04 19:38:57	pulec	bork
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2021-11-04 19:39:01	pulec	what the heck I have been doing on this machine
2021-11-04 19:39:26	Namarrgon	are you using refind?
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2021-11-04 19:39:54	pulec	what's that?
2021-11-04 19:40:01	Namarrgon	the bootloader
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2021-11-04 19:45:06	pulec	no, grub
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2021-11-04 19:50:59	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-11-04 19:55:33	susi	take it easy now, pulec, what's the problem?
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2021-11-04 19:58:13	asher1983	I'm trying to set up lightdm + twm. When I log in with lightdm, I get a black screen with a mouse pointer. Clicking does not bring up the context menu. In my lightdm logs, I have the following message: CRITICAL: session_real_run: assertion 'priv->argv != NULL' failed. I'd check the twm logs as well but I don't know if/where it logs to. 
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2021-11-04 20:00:07	Namarrgon	i don't think there's a menu out of the box
2021-11-04 20:00:39	pulec	susi: no problem!
2021-11-04 20:00:42	pulec	!next
2021-11-04 20:00:42	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2021-11-04 20:15:45	asher1983	That was it, thanks. Had the twmrc under the wrong filename
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2021-11-04 20:23:16	kill	any easy way to install arch?
2021-11-04 20:23:27	kill	I want to use the existent partition scheme
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2021-11-04 20:24:18	riv	you need to follow the installation guide, it's quite a long process
2021-11-04 20:24:22	riv	and its not really easy at first
2021-11-04 20:24:55	susi	kill: it's pretty easy, just follow the wiki and use google
2021-11-04 20:25:14	kill	susi I use arch since 2006
2021-11-04 20:25:18	kill	I know how to install
2021-11-04 20:25:24	kill	I just a noob methods quick one
2021-11-04 20:25:41	kill	something better than archfi
2021-11-04 20:26:16	keir	archinstall?
2021-11-04 20:26:22	thingfish	Arch has an installer.  Boot the iso and type 'archinstall' when it's ready.
2021-11-04 20:26:35	Foxboron	It's not going to follow whatever existing partition scheme you have
2021-11-04 20:27:00	kill	I want a installer that allows me to set every partition
2021-11-04 20:27:55	keir	most "easy" options won't be that involved
2021-11-04 20:28:17	keir	if you want control over partitioning, manual installation is the best way
2021-11-04 20:28:17	Velvet	gparted the way you want....then pick a partition?
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2021-11-04 20:29:41	evilop	keir: official install guide  
2021-11-04 20:29:45	evilop	er. kill 
2021-11-04 20:29:58	kill	archlinux developers should consider a calamares iso version
2021-11-04 20:30:07	evilop	why?
2021-11-04 20:30:16	kill	attract more users
2021-11-04 20:30:23	◣	feinedsquirrel (~fsq@user/feinedsquirrel) ha salido
2021-11-04 20:30:31	keir	that isn't the goal of Arch though
2021-11-04 20:30:35	◣	reillybrogan (~reillybro@174-20-123-179.mpls.qwest.net) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2021-11-04 20:30:37	SysGhost	The purpose of arch is to keep it KISS.
2021-11-04 20:30:54	kill	I meant as an alternative
2021-11-04 20:31:05	evilop	pretty sure this is mentioned in the faq
2021-11-04 20:31:17	keir	kill: manjaro was created for that reason
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2021-11-04 20:31:30	kill	I dont like manjaro sorry
2021-11-04 20:31:36	SysGhost	as well as the oter arch based distributions
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2021-11-04 20:31:38	susi	if you're not willing to invest the time to properly install it, it's not suitable OS anyways to use for you
2021-11-04 20:31:41	SysGhost	other*
2021-11-04 20:31:57	kill	I am using archlinux right now
2021-11-04 20:32:06	riv	argh linux
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2021-11-04 20:32:18	kill	I want to install it again
2021-11-04 20:32:27	evilop	also https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Frequently_asked_questions#I_really_like_Arch,_except_the_development_team_needs_to_implement_feature_X
2021-11-04 20:32:28	phrik	Title: Frequently asked questions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-04 20:32:28	kill	too many stuff installed, strange ips connections 
2021-11-04 20:32:34	kill	I just want to clean it up
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2021-11-04 20:33:34	kill	ubuntu has flavors I was proposing a arch flavor that wont touch the KISS principle
2021-11-04 20:33:51	jkc	kill: or you could just follow the package removal and orphan cleanup stuff in the wiki
2021-11-04 20:33:53	Tom^	kill: just figure out what is running instead and remove it?
2021-11-04 20:33:57	evilop	kill: 1. see the link
2021-11-04 20:34:00	keir	i feel like this is going in circles
2021-11-04 20:34:07	evilop	kill: 2. arch doesn't have the manpower to waste
2021-11-04 20:34:29	Tom^	remove packages, remove orphans, stop/disable services. clean ~/ and you are pretty much "reinstalled"
2021-11-04 20:34:51	jkc	kill: And PS, calamares is a horrid framework.
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2021-11-04 20:34:59	The-Compiler	hm, some package cleanup might actually be a good idea
2021-11-04 20:35:10	keir	jkc: awful name too
2021-11-04 20:35:12	The-Compiler	"pacman -Qe | wc -l" is close to 600 for me, which is, like, a few too many
2021-11-04 20:35:19	jkc	keir: yeah, every time I hear it, I want fried squid.
2021-11-04 20:35:26	keir	jkc: thank you!
2021-11-04 20:35:30	Velvet	argh linux   xD    
2021-11-04 20:35:34	kill	evilop, what I means is, do you know the EndevourOS, instead of creating a new distro, just join forces with arch team to create a arch flavor
2021-11-04 20:35:39	Foxboron	The-Compiler: stuff packages you know you use into a meta-package as dependencies. makes -Qe easier to cleanup
2021-11-04 20:35:45	jkc	kill: Why, though?
2021-11-04 20:35:53	The-Compiler	Foxboron: I use https://github.com/CyberShadow/aconfmgr
2021-11-04 20:35:54	SysGhost	For a close Arch feel, and a "neat installer", there's Garuda Linux.
2021-11-04 20:36:01	evilop	kill: you have to take that up with the EndevourOS devs
2021-11-04 20:36:14	◣	lede (lede@irc.krypta.fi) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2021-11-04 20:36:18	The-Compiler	Foxboron: I just lack the discipline to keep the config up to date, but at least in theory, that config tells me what I installed and why
2021-11-04 20:36:34	Foxboron	The-Compiler: thats an unreasonable amount of bash I'm not running on my laptop
2021-11-04 20:36:49	The-Compiler	:D
2021-11-04 20:37:01	Foxboron	I do half of that with not even a percentage of the same code :p
2021-11-04 20:37:02	Velvet	i like Arco quite a bit fwiw
2021-11-04 20:37:03	SysGhost	Beware though. Garuda do install quite a bit of "rainbow vomit", but for those who like it it's nice.
2021-11-04 20:37:05	The-Compiler	still better than laptop-mode-tools
2021-11-04 20:37:31	The-Compiler	at least the author seems to have an idea on how to write bash properly, though I wonder how they didn't go insane yet
2021-11-04 20:37:43	The-Compiler	but honestly, never look at laptop-mode-tools' sources
2021-11-04 20:37:54	kill	Tom^ so many stuff installed that installing arch again is more easier
2021-11-04 20:37:55	keir	The-Compiler: see neofetch too. insane bash script
2021-11-04 20:37:56	Foxboron	The-Compiler: I disagree.
2021-11-04 20:38:40	Foxboron	they comment the code...atleast
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2021-11-04 20:38:54	SysGhost	kill: easier perhaps. Buit you'll learn more by recover/rescue your current install. =)
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2021-11-04 20:39:29	rcf	The-Compiler: you have to be insane to pick bash to begin with 
2021-11-04 20:39:39	kill	SysGhost, I know a lot of linux, using it for more than 2 decades
2021-11-04 20:40:08	Foxboron	kill: that doesn't randomly spewing out suggestions and wishes any better though
2021-11-04 20:40:13	The-Compiler	rcf: hey, I wrote IRC bots in bash when I was a kid
2021-11-04 20:40:24	Foxboron	doesn't make*
2021-11-04 20:40:32	kill	xfree and setting up mouse from scratch, you hadn't to setup keyboard and everything in the xfree, now I am just an noob end user, I know to do everything but I just want to use my system as a noob
2021-11-04 20:40:41	SysGhost	The-Compiler: Hah! me too! \o/
2021-11-04 20:40:43	The-Compiler	then I wanted to talk to a hacked electric typewriter and learned Python instead
2021-11-04 20:40:47	keir	Foxboron: half-baked suggestions to boot
2021-11-04 20:41:00	jkc	kill: If you have that much experience, it shouldn't take that much for you to just maintain your current system.
2021-11-04 20:41:02	The-Compiler	https://demozoo.org/productions/26859/ \o/
2021-11-04 20:41:06	phrik	Title: Schreimaschine by Freelancer + The Compiler - Demozoo (at demozoo.org)
2021-11-04 20:41:15	◣	bitblit (~bitblit@gateway/tor-sasl/bitblit) ha salido (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2021-11-04 20:41:23	Foxboron	The-Compiler: love it :)
2021-11-04 20:41:35	keir	kill: you can also create an archinstall profile to easily install the same way each time
2021-11-04 20:41:41	The-Compiler	because talking to Twitter APIs and such in bash really isn't fun (at least before there was jq)
2021-11-04 20:41:46	kill	jkc, I am just tired to do that stuff, my point was, an easier arch install, but if it's not possible, ok
2021-11-04 20:42:15	SysGhost	kill: Arch do provide an "installer" of sorts if you wanna get up and running with a base system quickly.
2021-11-04 20:42:24	keir	kill: well your answer was providing multiple times and you didn't accept it
2021-11-04 20:42:26	kill	keir, or I can create my own script and do whatever I want
2021-11-04 20:42:29	evilop	kill: to be realistic here, if you find the official arch install too hard then you are not going to have a good time maintaining the system afterwards
2021-11-04 20:42:32	keir	s/providing/provided/
2021-11-04 20:42:33	kill	that means time
2021-11-04 20:42:44	kill	no, it's not hard
2021-11-04 20:42:48	kill	it takes more time
2021-11-04 20:43:01	kill	and I have no more patient with that setup stuff
2021-11-04 20:43:01	evilop	kill: ~5mins excluding download speed
2021-11-04 20:43:17	kill	100mbps
2021-11-04 20:43:18	keir	kill: then you want a Arch-based distro, but not Arch
2021-11-04 20:43:25	SysGhost	kill: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Archinstall
2021-11-04 20:43:26	phrik	Title: archinstall - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-04 20:43:33	keir	for same reasons people choose Ubuntu over Debian
2021-11-04 20:43:40	susi	but if you install three systems daily 5 days a week, that makes 65 hours in a year
2021-11-04 20:43:43	kill	I used this script for the installation I have now
2021-11-04 20:43:54	keir	kill: well use that then?
2021-11-04 20:43:55	kill	ok guys, I know archlinux never will have a fla vor, ok
2021-11-04 20:44:03	◣	WAR10CK (~WAR10CK@14.223.181.12) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2021-11-04 20:44:11	SysGhost	as intended
2021-11-04 20:44:23	SysGhost	the user provide their own flavour
2021-11-04 20:44:40	susi	you can make an installer for yourself
2021-11-04 20:44:51	keir	SysGhost: chocolate flavour is the best
2021-11-04 20:45:03	SysGhost	Agreed!
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2021-11-04 20:45:47	⚡ 	SysGhost turns his tty's dark brown with milky white text
2021-11-04 20:46:01	keir	there's a cup and half in every one
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2021-11-04 20:46:28	semeion	my system was installed 2350 days ago:   echo -e "\nInstalled at "$(($(($(date +%s) - $(date -d "$(head -1 /var/log/pacman.log | cut -d ' ' -f 1,2 | tr -d '[]')" +%s))) / 86400)) days
2021-11-04 20:46:40	jkc	SysGhost: Read that without context and that is the nerdiest pornhub video title ever.
2021-11-04 20:47:06	SysGhost	lol
2021-11-04 20:47:24	SysGhost	good it wasn't grabbed ;)
2021-11-04 20:47:55	semeion	2350 days ago is more than 6 years :P
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2021-11-04 20:48:07	somrandom	hey guys i think my xorg log is telling me i need to switch to NVIDIA 470.xx legacy driver
2021-11-04 20:48:17	ℹ 	eldritch__ es conocido ahora como eldritch
2021-11-04 20:48:18	⚡ 	SysGhost 's arch install on this machine has been the same since 2007
2021-11-04 20:48:20	evilop	somrandom: what card do you have?
2021-11-04 20:48:28	kill	semeion, until your partition can't be used anymore
2021-11-04 20:48:31	ksp	Can you put it in a paste in and send the link
2021-11-04 20:48:38	somrandom	gtx titan
2021-11-04 20:48:48	evilop	somrandom: also nvidia.com will tell you which driver supports which card
2021-11-04 20:48:55	semeion	kill: yeah
2021-11-04 20:49:19	kill	if you copy the whole thing to a new partition, I would consider it a new install
2021-11-04 20:49:46	jkc	But it's not.
2021-11-04 20:49:47	SysGhost	It isn't really
2021-11-04 20:49:50	ksp	SysGhost: wouldn't the init switch break things? And the package format switch?
2021-11-04 20:49:52	evilop	and nvidia.com does seem to indicate that 470.82.00 is the driver to use
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2021-11-04 20:50:28	evilop	(if you want the "stable" driver)
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2021-11-05 10:36:16	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2021-11-05 10:03:54	tiziodcaio	Hi to everyone!
2021-11-05 10:04:11	low-key	hello!
2021-11-05 10:08:45	raster	moo
2021-11-05 10:36:16	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-11-05 12:47:27	sensille	https://djfk.net/Xorg.0.log https://djfk.net/dmesg
2021-11-05 12:48:14	theh	Hello. I want to run Windows virtualized on my workstation. In the past I used VirtualBox for this, but it seems QEMU/KVM is the most popular option these days. I'm looking for some general guidance on which tools I need (and which I don't).
2021-11-05 12:50:03	theh	It seems that Libvirt is a universal recommnedation, since QEMU doesn't keep track of any configuration. Libvirt seems kind of complex to set up though, or is that just the Arch Wiki covering all edge cases? I worry this will mess with my host OS.
2021-11-05 12:50:18	Ingar	theh: I was going to suggest libvirt
2021-11-05 12:50:43	JPT	Personally, I'm using VirtualBox for that and it's perfectly fine. (For my use cases at least)
2021-11-05 12:50:47	Ingar	theh: if you're not planning to to funky things, it's reasonably easy to setup
2021-11-05 12:51:22	sensille	most noteworthy i can find is "USB Keyboard: client bug: event processing lagging behind by 36ms, your system is too slow"
2021-11-05 12:51:28	sensille	i noticed that lag
2021-11-05 12:52:04	Namarrgon	do you hold back only the kernel packages or all updates since 5.12.14?
2021-11-05 12:52:45	Namarrgon	5.12 is EOL, if this is a kernel issue then you won't find much support for it
2021-11-05 12:52:55	theh	Ingar: I see. Does it make changes to the host firewall? If so, could I maybe do them (permanently) myself and have it not do that? I use nftables.
2021-11-05 12:53:32	Ingar	theh: you have to handle firewall yourself, it also depends on your setup, i use bridged networking so host firewall is ntio even involved
2021-11-05 12:53:41	Lartza	I never got libvirt networking to work with nftables so just kept using virtualbox
2021-11-05 12:53:51	Lartza	if firewalld is nftables compliant now it might work
2021-11-05 12:54:12	sensille	Namarrgon: zfsonlinux seems to block kernel updates. it needs some manual intervention. but i think the answer is 'only kernel;
2021-11-05 12:55:06	Lartza	sensille, None of the AUR packages are on 5.12
2021-11-05 12:56:13	sensille	ok, so i need to find out what's going on with the updates, but i don't think this is directly related to my issue, because i've seen this basically since the installation
2021-11-05 12:57:23	sensille	linux, linux-headers, zfs-linux, zfs-utils
2021-11-05 12:58:39	theh	Ingar: From the Arch Wiki, the bridged options reads “(...) and the domain is running on a system-level”. Does "system level" mean started with superuser privileges, or is this just about the one-time setup (me having control of the host interfaces)?
2021-11-05 13:00:01	jelle	libvirt now also works with a user session (if you are admin (sudo/wheel))
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2021-11-05 13:01:53	sensille	my assumption was that zfs-utils is just lagging behind, but it will be updated eventually. at that point i can catch up with the updates again
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2021-11-05 13:02:10	Namarrgon	sensille: try a different wm, dp cable, display
2021-11-05 13:02:44	sensille	hm. i can try to re-plug the cable
2021-11-05 13:03:16	sensille	oh :)
2021-11-05 13:03:23	sensille	that did the trick
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2021-11-05 13:03:33	coruja	!next
2021-11-05 13:03:34	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2021-11-05 13:03:52	theh	Is the Libvirt "user/system-session" distinction about configuration of machines or about running them? I.e. is "user-session" interesting for users without su privileges, whereas "system-session" may imply launching the daemon as root but dropping most privileges thereafter for execution?
2021-11-05 13:04:19	sensille	crazy. thanks all :)
2021-11-05 13:04:27	Namarrgon	but will it last?
2021-11-05 13:04:32	Lartza	sensille, Your interpretation of zfs-utils is wrong
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2021-11-05 13:05:03	sensille	Namarrgon: probably not. but it only happens every few weeks, so i can live with the workaround
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2021-11-05 13:13:36	somercet	sensille: perhaps it is a program that's changing the monitor depth.
2021-11-05 13:13:56	somercet	have you tried switching to the virtual console, then back to X11?
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2021-11-05 13:17:53	sensille	i will try that next time it happens
2021-11-05 13:18:06	sensille	can i query the depth?
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2021-11-05 13:22:56	susi	is there anything like add_efi_memmap in GRUB?
2021-11-05 13:23:12	susi	or is it just a kernel command line option
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2021-11-05 13:23:29	susi	yeah must be, stupid question
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2021-11-05 13:26:29	ℹ 	NetSysFire es conocido ahora como Guest111
2021-11-05 13:26:29	ℹ 	NetSysFi1 es conocido ahora como NetSysFire
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2021-11-05 13:31:17	usrnamewastaken	New laptop, when resuming from suspend, my built in keyboard and trackpad and trackpoint do not work for some time. If I plug in a usb mouse and keyboard, they start working immediately. Any ideas?
2021-11-05 13:31:28	◣	Khoyo (~khoyo@user/khoyo) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2021-11-05 13:31:48	NetSysFire	check your journal and if there is a laptop page for your device in the archwiki
2021-11-05 13:32:22	usrnamewastaken	There is a laptop page for my device on archwiki, but nothing mentions this issue 
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2021-11-05 13:34:11	susi	do you see them in `xinput list` output
2021-11-05 13:34:12	armin	usrnamewastaken: there were bugs like that a couple of years ago with some thinkpads where a kernel parameter would fix that:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/916465/ubuntu-17-04-keyboard-not-responding-after-suspend
2021-11-05 13:34:14	phrik	Title: Ubuntu 17.04 keyboard not responding after suspend - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
2021-11-05 13:34:18	Fr0stBit	usrnamewastaken: model?
2021-11-05 13:34:30	armin	usrnamewastaken: no idea if that applies to your problem, but maybe worth a read nevertheless
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2021-11-05 13:35:09	usrnamewastaken	x1 carbon 9th gen
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2021-11-05 13:36:50	theh	usrnamewastaken: Then this might help: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X1_Carbon_(Gen_9)
2021-11-05 13:36:51	phrik	Title: Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon (Gen 9) - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-05 13:37:22	armin	usrnamewastaken: either way, check if your dmesg contains stuff like "[ 28.600959] psmouse serio1: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost sync at byte 1"
2021-11-05 13:37:50	theh	Article still looks fairly short compared to earlier models, likely because not enough users have this model yet.
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2021-11-05 13:38:16	NetSysFire	check the general x1 carbon page
2021-11-05 13:38:16	usrnamewastaken	armin yeah, nothing with serio, psmouse, or touchpad from dmesg
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2021-11-05 13:39:08	armin	usrnamewastaken: does it happen when you are at a tty when suspending, too?
2021-11-05 13:39:48	usrnamewastaken	armin hmm, let me check
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2021-11-05 13:39:57	ksp	Hello
2021-11-05 13:40:25	ksp	Anyways gonna leave instantly for no reason
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2021-11-05 13:41:23	thrice	nice
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2021-11-05 13:42:37	armin	usrnamewastaken: if that fails, too, i'd say try a bios update, i'm out of options here. ;)
2021-11-05 13:42:46	usrnamewastaken	armin doesnt seem to, but something I just noticed... it doesnt do it from short sleeps, only if its sleeping for a long period of time
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2021-11-05 13:43:04	usrnamewastaken	armin already updated uefi / firmware before coming here to ask :)
2021-11-05 13:43:14	armin	usrnamewastaken: oh, wow. :)
2021-11-05 13:43:30	armin	usrnamewastaken: so when it wakes up and you're on a tty it just works?
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2021-11-05 13:44:17	usrnamewastaken	armin yes
2021-11-05 13:44:29	armin	ok now that's weird
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2021-11-05 13:44:39	usrnamewastaken	armin but i just tested with a display manager, and short sleeps seem to not make the issue occur
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2021-11-05 13:45:10	usrnamewastaken	3 times since I got the laptop yesterdday I come back from long sleeps on it, and keyboard doesnt work, if i plug in an external, works fine right afterwards
2021-11-05 13:45:19	usrnamewastaken	turned off powertop autotune too
2021-11-05 13:45:41	armin	yes powertop tuning might cause stuff like that
2021-11-05 13:46:32	susi	I need to rmmod & modprobe i2c_hid_acpi (actually done by a systemd sleep hook) after resuming from suspend to get touchpad working again
2021-11-05 13:47:05	NetSysFire	might be a kernel bug perhaps
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2021-11-05 13:48:29	usrnamewastaken	susi its not just my touchpad though, its my keyboard as well (although they may be on the same bus?)
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2021-11-05 13:49:44	usrnamewastaken	new linux-firmware available, hmm
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2021-11-05 13:50:12	usrnamewastaken	i have to start work in 11 minutes, full system upgrade, #testinprod
2021-11-05 13:51:16	ggnoredo	usrnamewastaken: 5.15 ?
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2021-11-05 13:51:27	usrnamewastaken	5.14.16 currently
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2021-11-05 13:54:39	usrnamewastaken	hmm... "ACPI FFDT [Firmware Bug]: Invalid record 4113 found" on bootup (dont think this is new after upgrade) but cant find any info online about it
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2021-11-05 13:55:07	usrnamewastaken	unsure if thats related to my problem either
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2021-11-05 13:56:52	susi	I'd try to run xinput test with the correct id and see what happens
2021-11-05 13:57:30	usrnamewastaken	susi,. correct id?
2021-11-05 13:57:42	susi	check it from xinput list
2021-11-05 13:58:10	susi	but probably a driver/fw issue anyway
2021-11-05 13:58:22	usrnamewastaken	how do i test an id with xinput?
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2021-11-05 13:58:34	usrnamewastaken	i found its ID, being 15, AT translated set 2 keyboard (I think)
2021-11-05 13:58:52	usrnamewastaken	oh i see
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2021-11-05 13:59:00	usrnamewastaken	seems fine... ?
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2021-11-06 10:57:15	Namarrgon	the first victim of ntfs3 was proton
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2021-11-06 16:33:52	conr	electrohead: also is it dumb to be using systemd-networkd AND NetworkManager together?
2021-11-06 16:34:04	electrohead	it is.
2021-11-06 16:34:39	electrohead	only use one network based manager, as they can and will fight with each other
2021-11-06 16:34:46	conr	lol, thanks. is there any thing in the wiki how to use NM exclusively
2021-11-06 16:35:23	conr	or should i just `systemctl stop systemd-networkd`?
2021-11-06 16:35:57	electrohead	you'll have to disable systemd-networkd as welll
2021-11-06 16:36:01	electrohead	well*
2021-11-06 16:36:29	conr	right so it doesn't start on boot
2021-11-06 16:36:41	conr	i'll try that with the udev thanks.
2021-11-06 16:36:53	conr	what network manager do you like?
2021-11-06 16:38:20	agopo	electrohead: I tried out some other ideas, including deleting 'device' and 'control', but to without success. For the moment I'll leave it as it is, since everything works except for the mixer in spotify-tui/spt
2021-11-06 16:38:30	agopo	electrohead: thx anyway
2021-11-06 16:39:27	electrohead	Apasmara: hrmm, ok. yeah sorry about that, I have never used that, maybe/hopefully someone else can offer more insight
2021-11-06 16:39:45	electrohead	conr: I use persistent rules for my network devices, and I use netctl
2021-11-06 16:39:49	electrohead	has always worked for me
2021-11-06 16:43:18	baltazar	hi! what determines whether the output of a program is buffered or not? Running `od -v -tu4 -w4 /dev/ttyUSB3` prints values as they come, but piping it to `cat` somehow makes it buffered. (probably a better channel for this)
2021-11-06 16:56:59	linsux	is manjaro an enhanced arch?
2021-11-06 16:57:14	linsux	i'm using it and find everything in arch
2021-11-06 16:59:42	jonathon	it's an arch-derivative, not "enhanced"
2021-11-06 17:00:08	jonathon	e.g. they compile their own kernel, systemd, pacman, etc. which introduces random differences (and their own set of issues)
2021-11-06 17:02:06	jonathon	if you don't want to install everything from scratch then there are better options to get an arch-based system (e.g. the official `archinstall` script, or one of the other installers like `archfi`, or a more vanilla derivative)
2021-11-06 17:02:18	conr	any advice on installing a secordary nvme ssd? i installed it should i format it with nmve-cli?
2021-11-06 17:02:45	Namarrgon	conr: there's no reason for that. go straight to partitioning.
2021-11-06 17:03:23	conr	Namarrgon: should i just mount it if i want to use it for extra space?
2021-11-06 17:04:07	Namarrgon	many disks come preformated and you could just mount and use these but they are usually using vfat, which you don't want to use
2021-11-06 17:04:26	Namarrgon	format the disk, mkfs the filesystem(s)
2021-11-06 17:06:20	conr	ok thanks what tool does that `fdisk`?
2021-11-06 17:07:23	chair1	Speaking of new SSD, when I made dual boot for Windows I "precreated" partitions for it. Is it still needed if Windows will reside on the new SSD and not in my HDD where Arch is installed?
2021-11-06 17:07:23	Namarrgon	yes, you can't go wrong with (c)fdisk
2021-11-06 17:07:47	Namarrgon	chair1: you don't need tp pre-create them for windows
2021-11-06 17:07:52	Namarrgon	and never needed to
2021-11-06 17:08:21	chair1	I saw this on Arch Wiki so as to Windows not mess with partition table or something
2021-11-06 17:08:37	Namarrgon	it will mess with the partition table anyway
2021-11-06 17:09:04	chair1	Smarter idea: can I simply copy my Windows partitions located at my HDD to my new SSD?
2021-11-06 17:09:48	jonathon	windows might not like moving to a new disk... though I haven't tried that since WinXP
2021-11-06 17:10:00	Namarrgon	for some definition of "simple" yes but now we're going offtopic
2021-11-06 17:10:56	chair1	I see, thanks for the help
2021-11-06 17:12:46	Hello71	iirc windows uses disk id by default in bcd so if you do byte-wise copy it won't boot anymore
2021-11-06 17:12:50	conr	Namarrgon: mkfs.ext4 is the way to go right?
2021-11-06 17:12:58	Hello71	not sure if startup repair works in that case
2021-11-06 17:13:39	Namarrgon	conr: ext4 is fine if you don't need any exotic features
2021-11-06 17:14:02	chair1	Hello71: then I'll with my original plan :P thx
2021-11-06 17:15:12	Namarrgon	chair1: i just leave the intended space for windows unpartitioned and the installed has not eaten any of my data yet
2021-11-06 17:15:18	Namarrgon	*the installer
2021-11-06 17:19:03	conr	Namarrgon: `mount: /dev/nvme1n1: can't find in /etc/fstab`
2021-11-06 17:19:14	conr	formatted fine but can't mount it
2021-11-06 17:19:36	Namarrgon	mount takes two arguments
2021-11-06 17:20:07	markon101	conr: You can manually edit fstab with the UUID. Encrypted or not?
2021-11-06 17:22:44	conr	yeah i'm dumb i didn't specify the dir to mount it too
2021-11-06 17:23:02	conr	but do i have to add to fstab so it mounts on every boot?
2021-11-06 17:24:00	markon101	Yes must add to fstab so it mounts at boot
2021-11-06 17:24:20	markon101	Are you on a live USB or CD?
2021-11-06 17:24:35	markon101	If so you can go back and genfstab again after mounting
2021-11-06 17:24:46	conr	markon101: its just an additional nvme ssd for space
2021-11-06 17:24:56	conr	i have arch os on another nvme
2021-11-06 17:25:35	markon101	Okay I see
2021-11-06 17:26:01	markon101	Will have to manually add to fstab or use something like Gnome disks to set it up graphically 
2021-11-06 17:27:15	conr	ok easy enough, should i use any fstab `options` `dump` or `fsck`?
2021-11-06 17:27:19	markon101	Arch wiki of course has great information on editing your fstab https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fstab
2021-11-06 17:27:20	phrik	Title: fstab - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-06 17:27:47	markon101	That I am unsure about. Look up SSD fstab settings. 
2021-11-06 17:29:13	markon101	might wanna at least set noatime and discard
2021-11-06 17:32:54	markon101	blkid to find your UUID btw
2021-11-06 17:36:29	Namarrgon	use lazytime instead of noatime and use the fstrim.timer instead of the discard mountoption
2021-11-06 17:37:18	Namarrgon	there's no reason to disable atime and most ssds don't handle immediate discard very gracefully
2021-11-06 17:38:08	jonathon	from that, i take it that the "write on every read" issue with atime was fixed?
2021-11-06 17:39:07	Namarrgon	the fundamental problem of atime wasn't fixed but lazytime is good enough and with ssd it doesn't cost as much as with hdd
2021-11-06 17:39:24	jonathon	ack
2021-11-06 17:39:45	Namarrgon	cost as in energy and latency
2021-11-06 17:39:51	M4rty	)/quit
2021-11-06 17:42:59	zbe	'#KbdInteractiveAuthentication yes' hmm, was this default sshd config in previous versions as well?
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2021-11-06 18:14:57	jkc	Yes.
2021-11-06 18:15:02	jkc	Just a different name.
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2021-11-06 18:17:33	ℹ 	eoli3n_ es conocido ahora como rouflaquette
2021-11-06 18:17:53	ℹ 	rouflaquette es conocido ahora como spatule
2021-11-06 18:18:09	ℹ 	spatule es conocido ahora como eoli3n_
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2021-11-06 18:23:52	zbe	jkc, yes indeed, I just thought it was 'no' by default. (just figured 'PasswordAuthentication no' is useless with that set to yes)
2021-11-06 18:24:22	jkc	PasswordAuthentication and keyboard interactive (aka challenge response) are different mechanisms.
2021-11-06 18:25:09	jkc	You can have both, or one without the other.
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2021-11-06 18:46:16	linsux	is it ok to use archfi?
2021-11-06 18:46:45	Foxboron	You wouldn't get support from this channel. So use at your own risk
2021-11-06 18:46:46	Namarrgon	third-party installers are not supported, you'll be alone with your system if you need help
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2021-11-06 18:47:56	Gagis	theres a decent chance a third party installer will just work though. the arch installation experience is a bit of a "people should do this because it builds character" kind of thing
2021-11-06 18:48:49	Foxboron	Gagis: A bit disingenous. It's because we can't know the system for the user.
2021-11-06 18:48:50	⚡ 	teraflops shrugs
2021-11-06 18:48:55	mpan	Gagis: no, there is “you are expected to know answers to questions” thing.
2021-11-06 18:49:11	mpan	Gagis: answers you will not know with an installation script.
2021-11-06 18:49:35	teraflops	lol installing archlinux is not like military service
2021-11-06 18:49:45	mefistofeles	it's worse
2021-11-06 18:49:48	umaxtu	especially these days
2021-11-06 18:49:50	teraflops	hahaha
2021-11-06 18:50:05	Gagis	I was thinking more along the line of arch linux being something Calvin's dad in Calvin and Hobbes would have people do
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2021-11-06 18:50:14	mpan	Gagis: and you are expected to be the administrator of your system, not letting someone else manage it and then come for help if they break it.
2021-11-06 18:50:23	umaxtu	pre systemd there was a lot more minutiae
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2021-11-06 18:51:16	teraflops	in pre systemd times there where an installer ;)
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2021-11-06 18:51:32	teraflops	a while before iirc
2021-11-06 18:51:48	Foxboron	It was removed a year before systemd came to be
2021-11-06 18:51:55	teraflops	that's it
2021-11-06 18:52:21	umaxtu	I don't remember that. I don't think I used it
2021-11-06 18:53:06	teraflops	so I can choose between enrolling on foreign legion or installing arch linux to build my character
2021-11-06 18:53:25	⚡ 	teraflops chooses moroco
2021-11-06 18:54:02	Edu4rd	archinstall --noconfirm
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2021-11-06 18:56:24	Gagis	much of the manual labour there is kinda pointless, and the choises presented as if tyhey were meaningul are sometimes more like traps where 3/4 options to choose from are actually niche technologies you need to research to find out its something you won't actually ever want. pointless work to find which one is the reasonable default choise.
2021-11-06 18:56:34	Gagis	but researching niche bootloader technologies builds character
2021-11-06 18:56:54	Namarrgon	it builds confidence in your skills
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2021-11-06 18:57:42	teraflops	the fact that arch linux has no installer it's a feature as in you can perform the most crazy setup you can think of
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2021-11-06 18:58:13	teraflops	while having an installer you are tied to the options it ships eith
2021-11-06 18:58:18	teraflops	with^
2021-11-06 18:58:22	jkc	Gagis: So... Why are you using Arch, then? There are dozens of distros out there that will solve your use case.
2021-11-06 18:58:34	Gagis	arch is an excellent OS I am happy to use
2021-11-06 18:58:42	Gagis	its just the installation that wastes a lot of time
2021-11-06 18:58:47	jkc	Then you accept that installation is, and is meant to be, a manual process.
2021-11-06 18:58:48	jkc	!next
2021-11-06 18:58:49	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2021-11-06 18:58:59	teraflops	last installation I did took me 15 minutes
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2021-11-06 18:59:55	Gagis	I am arguing that third party installers serve a legit use case and if they have reasonable defaults would probably serve a lot of users. I might try one next time I do an install.
2021-11-06 19:00:10	umaxtu	my current one took me a couple hours cause it was my first time trying to setup an encrypted root. and I was also going overboard with btrfs subvolumes
2021-11-06 19:00:20	ayekat	the use case of "I don't care about getting any help from the Arch community anymore" maybe
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2021-11-06 19:00:50	umaxtu	EneavourOS isn't too bad. doesn't install too much bloat, stil uses the arch repos...
2021-11-06 19:00:51	teraflops	ah well, just do not try to fool people in here if you come for help
2021-11-06 19:01:06	umaxtu	s/EneavourOS/EndeavourOS
2021-11-06 19:01:24	Gagis	a tiny fraction of users end up on irc to ask for help, and at that point they might as well switch to manual
2021-11-06 19:01:32	teraflops	there are a lot of arch spins these days it seems
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2021-11-06 19:02:02	ayekat	the moment they're asking for help, they're usually still on their not-so-manually-set-up system, though
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2021-11-06 19:02:39	Gagis	sure. I'm not arguing against the policy of keeping officially suppoted stuff narrow
2021-11-06 19:02:49	Gagis	its entirely reasonable
2021-11-06 19:03:41	teraflops	iirc there's an official _scriptable_ installer or such sort of thing
2021-11-06 19:03:57	rcf	This is an official installer now, yes. 
2021-11-06 19:04:54	ayekat	keep forgetting that one - s/not-so-manually-set-up/not-so-officially-set-up/
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2021-11-06 19:07:15	Gagis	huh, yeah. that one seems like it might strike a good balance
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2021-11-06 19:07:57	teraflops	Gagis: I get your point and I think many users have scripted their arch installations
2021-11-06 19:08:12	teraflops	but that's a different topic I think
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2021-11-06 19:12:23	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-11-06 19:13:03	Gagis	fair enough
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2021-11-06 19:15:34	conr	i need help with NM, i was trying to use custom dns servers but i guess i was using systemd-networkd with it. now i disable networkd and no domain will resolve.
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2021-11-06 19:16:15	conr	i've set `/etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/dns.conf` as `[Main] dns=default`
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2021-11-06 19:18:05	umaxtu	what resolver are you trying to use?
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2021-11-06 19:19:48	conr	systemd-resolved i guess?
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2021-11-06 19:21:05	teraflops	conr: from where did you get the dns=default bits?
2021-11-06 19:21:21	conr	wiki
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2021-11-06 19:21:42	umaxtu	this page might be helpful https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/NetworkManager/DNS
2021-11-06 19:21:45	phrik	Title: Projects/NetworkManager/DNS - GNOME Wiki! (at wiki.gnome.org)
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2021-11-06 19:22:14	teraflops	conr: odd I cannot find that
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2021-11-06 19:23:02	conr	oh maybe i should use `dns=systemd-resolved`
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2021-11-06 19:23:16	teraflops	that's why I'm asking
2021-11-06 19:23:18	conr	i just want to use NM and set custom dns 
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2021-11-06 19:23:59	jkc	There's a specific configuration entry for that within NM.
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2021-11-06 19:24:26	conr	yeah i set that in each connection profile
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2021-11-06 19:25:16	evilop	conr: file /etc/resolv.conf
2021-11-06 19:25:57	evilop	and what exactly did you disable?
2021-11-06 19:26:22	conr	my  resolv.conf was generated by NetworkManager
2021-11-06 19:26:33	⚡ 	evilop wanted the actual output
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2021-11-06 19:27:06	teraflops	conr: they want to know if that file is a symlink or not
2021-11-06 19:27:13	conr	`nameserver 127.0.0.53` `options endns0 trust-ad`
2021-11-06 19:27:20	evilop	and you can't really use networkd and networkmanager at the same time
2021-11-06 19:27:28	evilop	conr: `file` is a command
2021-11-06 19:28:12	conr	`ASCII text`
2021-11-06 19:28:30	snek	anyone know why an ax200 wifi chipset wouldn't be working?
2021-11-06 19:28:40	evilop	snek: rfkill list all
2021-11-06 19:28:45	evilop	!give snek errors
2021-11-06 19:28:46	phrik	snek: Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2021-11-06 19:29:01	snek	what errors
2021-11-06 19:29:06	snek	rfkill only lists bluetooth
2021-11-06 19:29:14	snek	the mobo is asus rog zenith ii extreme alpha if that helps at all
2021-11-06 19:29:26	evilop	actual ax200 or 201?
2021-11-06 19:29:40	evilop	and does it show the bt on said ax200?
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2021-11-06 19:29:57	snek	`49:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wi-Fi 6 AX200 (rev 1a)`
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2021-11-06 19:30:38	snek	it also says kernel has loaded iwlwifi for this device
2021-11-06 19:30:45	snek	 but
2021-11-06 19:30:45	conr	evilop: networkd is disablec
2021-11-06 19:30:47	JBzh	!paste
2021-11-06 19:30:47	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-11-06 19:30:55	JBzh	Good afternoon
2021-11-06 19:31:04	zostj	can't get into X. getting (EE) fatal server error unable to connect to X server, xinit: server error after a recent update. this is due to nvidia 470 being updated to 495 right? i need to uninstall nvidia and use nvidia-470xx-dkms instead?
2021-11-06 19:31:04	evilop	conr: but rfkill list all doesn't list it at all?
2021-11-06 19:31:11	evilop	do you get a interface for it?
2021-11-06 19:31:19	leana	Hello, is there anyway to limit maximium charge on a laptop ? I did some research and it looks like TLP only works with thinkpads..
2021-11-06 19:31:19	evilop	zostj: what card?
2021-11-06 19:31:36	snek	evilop: wdym "show the bluetooth on it"
2021-11-06 19:32:09	evilop	snek: the bt "dongle" built into the ax200 vs some random usb bt adapter you might have connected
2021-11-06 19:32:18	conr	evilop: its not listing the lan card
2021-11-06 19:32:22	snek	yeah i don't have any adapters connected
2021-11-06 19:32:26	evilop	ax200 is not lan
2021-11-06 19:32:34	umaxtu	leana: I think its manufacturer specific
2021-11-06 19:32:48	conr	evilop: nmcli con has it active
2021-11-06 19:33:05	zostj	geforce gtx 780 code is NVF0 GK101 i believe
2021-11-06 19:33:36	evilop	zostj: does the log say that its not supported and that you should install 470?
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2021-11-06 19:34:09	zostj	well i can't startx. it gives me the server error. 
2021-11-06 19:34:43	evilop	it says more than just that single line
2021-11-06 19:34:54	pez	Hi, something is turning off my audio jack when no music is playing, (probably for energy saving reasons) - any idea how i can turn that off? 
2021-11-06 19:34:56	evilop	!xorg log
2021-11-06 19:34:57	phrik	xorg's log can be found in one of several places: the system journal, /var/log/ or $HOME/.local/share/xorg/
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2021-11-06 19:35:10	evilop	if you startx then it also ends up on stdout
2021-11-06 19:35:16	leana	umaxtu: yeah I totally understand that this would need specific drivers to work. Do you (or anyone) know any charge limitation tool for macbooks ?
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2021-11-06 19:35:18	evilop	you might have to scroll up a bit
2021-11-06 19:35:19	zostj	ok let me go look
2021-11-06 19:35:20	snek	is there a way to see why iwlwifi sees this device but doesn't do anything with it
2021-11-06 19:35:22	zostj	brb :P
2021-11-06 19:35:35	evilop	snek: does a interface get created?
2021-11-06 19:35:38	snek	no
2021-11-06 19:35:50	Gagis	I know 470 is required for the 600 series at least so that does seem likely
2021-11-06 19:35:57	evilop	how is the card connected? a m.2 slot?
2021-11-06 19:36:03	snek	its built into the mobo
2021-11-06 19:36:20	evilop	f2f2f2f2f2f2f2f2f2f2 when you boot and check the firmware settings
2021-11-06 19:36:30	snek	what kind of settings am i looking for
2021-11-06 19:36:38	snek	like "disable wifi" or something?
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2021-11-06 19:37:19	evilop	yes
2021-11-06 19:37:42	evilop	if nothing, then post the full dmesg output
2021-11-06 19:37:56	Gagis	pez, I have seen several people run into that issue. it might be a pulseaudio energy saving thing but I didn't see if any of them found a solution. There'll probably be other interested users if you find anything
2021-11-06 19:38:08	Gagis	maybe its hardcoded behiaviour. hope not.
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2021-11-06 19:38:51	evilop	also uname -r; pacman -Q linux linux-firmware
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2021-11-06 19:40:11	zostj	evilop: failed to load module nouveua, etc. since i only had nvidia installed and not nouveau and vesa so i'm guessing those fallbacks didn't work 'cuz they are not there. but problem seems to be because of nvidia? reason why it went looking for the fallbacks in the first place?
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2021-11-06 19:40:30	evilop	zostj: stuff the full log in bpaste.net or similar
2021-11-06 19:40:34	pez	Gagis: thanks for the hint! I was also assuming that maybe pulseaudio is doing something. Normally it doesn't bother me, but i am using a shitty aux cable right now and the buzzing noise is really bad. 
2021-11-06 19:40:57	zostj	:( i dont have X on that computer so it's harder to just copy and paste :(
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2021-11-06 19:41:23	evilop	!rs
2021-11-06 19:41:24	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2021-11-06 19:41:39	evilop	you can do @/path/to/file instead of piping
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2021-11-06 19:45:41	zostj	evilop: http://ix.io/3EdH
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2021-11-06 19:51:17	zostj	that command didn't show anything 
2021-11-06 19:51:38	snek	evilop: https://paste.rs/OZr
2021-11-06 19:51:48	evilop	modprobe nvidia
2021-11-06 19:52:06	evilop	if it doesn't return an error then post the full dmesg
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2021-11-06 19:53:56	zostj	evilop: how do i post dmesg? :P
2021-11-06 19:54:06	evilop	!rs
2021-11-06 19:54:07	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2021-11-06 19:54:11	zostj	ah ok
2021-11-06 19:55:10	evilop	snek: dualbooting windows?
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2021-11-06 19:55:38	snek	evilop: no
2021-11-06 19:55:42	snek	this machine had windows on it like
2021-11-06 19:55:43	snek	a while ago
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2021-11-06 19:55:48	snek	but its 100% arch now
2021-11-06 19:56:14	evilop	could be its one of those broken firmwares where if you disable the wifi in windows then its borked
2021-11-06 19:56:35	evilop	more common on laptops, but since this is "built in" wifi, who knows
2021-11-06 19:56:47	snek	i don't recall disabling the wifi on windows but
2021-11-06 19:56:49	evilop	or the good old fastboot issue
2021-11-06 19:56:51	snek	if this is just like
2021-11-06 19:56:59	snek	something is actually broken 
2021-11-06 19:57:00	evilop	snek: if you never enabled it then it was set to disabled
2021-11-06 19:57:10	snek	it was connected to my wifi i mean
2021-11-06 19:57:47	snek	do i have to go find intel wifi kernel driver nerds now
2021-11-06 19:57:51	zostj	evilop: dmesg |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io  this just flashes the dmesg on my screen. didn't provide a link though :(
2021-11-06 19:58:00	evilop	zostj: you need root to read dmesg
2021-11-06 19:58:05	zostj	i did sudo 
2021-11-06 19:58:17	evilop	what shell are you using?
2021-11-06 19:58:22	zostj	bash
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2021-11-06 19:58:27	evilop	should work
2021-11-06 19:58:36	evilop	try rs instead though
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2021-11-06 19:59:00	zostj	i mean it worked when i run it earlier for that other file output. but with dmesg it just runs the dmesg and didn't provide a link for some reason :(
2021-11-06 19:59:09	teraflops	snek: I think your wifi device is missing proper firmware
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2021-11-06 19:59:22	snek	teraflops: so its just like not supported on the current kernel?
2021-11-06 19:59:40	teraflops	the driver is ok I guess
2021-11-06 19:59:45	teraflops	it's about firmware
2021-11-06 20:00:33	evilop	it should work with the 63 firmware
2021-11-06 20:00:50	snek	where do i get the 63 firmware
2021-11-06 20:00:53	teraflops	it does not tho or so it seems
2021-11-06 20:01:08	snek	oh am i on the 63 firmware
2021-11-06 20:01:12	teraflops	the one you are using yeah
2021-11-06 20:01:20	umaxtu	I've got a machine with an ax200 card that works. but its running fedora. kernel version is 5.14 though
2021-11-06 20:01:41	snek	5.14 here too
2021-11-06 20:02:16	teraflops	snek: did you google for the pciid of that device, maybe it's a slightly different hw revision
2021-11-06 20:02:21	evilop	there is no 64 in linux-firmware git either
2021-11-06 20:02:34	evilop	and ax200 isn't exactly a new device
2021-11-06 20:02:38	snek	what's the pciid
2021-11-06 20:02:48	teraflops	the id of the pci haha
2021-11-06 20:02:53	snek	yeah i mean like
2021-11-06 20:02:56	snek	is it the 49:00.0?
2021-11-06 20:02:58	snek	smth else?
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2021-11-06 20:03:18	evilop	lspci -vnn
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2021-11-06 20:03:34	evilop	is really smells more like the windows dualboot issue
2021-11-06 20:03:41	teraflops	hmm
2021-11-06 20:03:46	snek	so i could like
2021-11-06 20:03:52	snek	install windows
2021-11-06 20:03:55	snek	turn on the wifi
2021-11-06 20:03:58	snek	shutdown
2021-11-06 20:04:01	snek	delete that partition
2021-11-06 20:04:06	evilop	shutdown with fastboot disabled
2021-11-06 20:04:09	snek	lol
2021-11-06 20:04:19	evilop	and don't remove windows before you get the wifi working on arch
2021-11-06 20:04:24	teraflops	no dual boot then?
2021-11-06 20:04:29	snek	yeah i'm not dual booting
2021-11-06 20:04:40	evilop	but have dualbooted in the past
2021-11-06 20:05:10	snek	8086:2723 is it i guess?
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2021-11-06 20:05:31	snek	linux-hardware.org is a confusing webpage
2021-11-06 20:05:33	umaxtu	thats intel's vendor id
2021-11-06 20:05:40	snek	it implies the last supported version is 5.12
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2021-11-06 20:06:24	snek	there's also 8086:0084
2021-11-06 20:06:29	snek	which also says up to 5.12
2021-11-06 20:06:39	snek	did they literally remove support or is the site wrong
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2021-11-06 20:08:45	hejux	i love arch
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2021-11-06 20:10:48	evilop	snek: they did not
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2021-11-06 20:14:03	snek	evilop: what if i pcie passthrough'd the card to a windows vm i have
2021-11-06 20:14:13	snek	then turned it on in that
2021-11-06 20:14:16	snek	then unpassthroughed it
2021-11-06 20:14:35	evilop	probably won't do anything but  you could always try
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2021-11-06 20:18:02	snek	ok the wifi does work inside the windows vm
2021-11-06 20:18:03	snek	lmao
2021-11-06 20:18:16	snek	i'm connecting it
2021-11-06 20:18:30	snek	so now theoretically i just shut it down?
2021-11-06 20:19:11	snek	omg that worked
2021-11-06 20:19:14	snek	wifi shows up in arch now
2021-11-06 20:19:27	snek	lmao that's so cursed
2021-11-06 20:19:39	evilop	welcome to windows and evil hardware makers
2021-11-06 20:19:57	snek	thank you amd for your excellent iommu 🙏🏻
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2021-11-06 20:20:37	teraflops	heh
2021-11-06 20:21:28	teraflops	snek: I think on that situation a reset of the pci device would have worked
2021-11-06 20:21:39	snek	for future reference how do you do that?
2021-11-06 20:23:13	teraflops	there are many ways whatand it depends on the device as well, what worked for me in the past was echo "1" > /sys/bus/pci/devices/$NUMBER/reset
2021-11-06 20:23:28	teraflops	whatand/and 
2021-11-06 20:23:56	snek	ic
2021-11-06 20:24:02	snek	thx for the tip
2021-11-06 20:24:35	teraflops	evilop pointed you on the right direction
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2021-11-06 20:28:53	teraflops	why is my smartphone irc client doing '/WHO list' every several minutes?
2021-11-06 20:29:00	⚡ 	teraflops is libconfused
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2021-11-06 20:41:36	teraflops	it had who polling enable whatever that is
2021-11-06 20:42:07	evilop	not that uncommon
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2021-11-06 20:44:29	topcat001	I never fast anything on Windows for these reasons.
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2021-11-06 20:54:12	Hello71	teraflops: for away checking
2021-11-06 20:54:35	Hello71	for well-designed clients it is turned off for large channels
2021-11-06 20:55:14	barth	Hello, after today's update, my Nvidia GTX 660 graphics card is not usable with the last update of Nvidia drivers (495.44). Does a package containing legacy drivers exist? (470.xx)
2021-11-06 20:55:27	evilop	barth: aur
2021-11-06 20:56:07	barth	evilop: OK, I will try to find it in AUR with my phone
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2021-11-06 20:57:16	evilop	!aurctl
2021-11-06 20:57:17	phrik	aurctl() { git clone https://aur.archlinux.org/$1; }
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2021-11-06 20:59:51	topcat001	How are people's experiences with reliable suspend to ram with the nvidia driver loaded on newer (16xx, 20xx) cards?
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2021-11-06 21:00:11	topcat001	Just want to check if it works at all.
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2021-11-06 21:00:55	topcat001	Both optimus and dedicated gpu (such as on a desktop) cases.
2021-11-06 21:01:29	mefistofeles	I can do that with an optimus setup
2021-11-06 21:02:02	topcat001	mefistofeles: Thanks! When you suspend, the nvidia driver remains loaded correct?
2021-11-06 21:02:15	evilop	s2r is generally "fine", nvidia doesn't make it any worse
2021-11-06 21:02:30	topcat001	I mean it is not unloaded prior to suspend and reloaded after resume?
2021-11-06 21:03:06	topcat001	evilop: Thanks good to know. s2r is the only case I'm interested in.
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2021-11-06 21:03:59	topcat001	Ok so I can assume it is likely to work without any hacks.
2021-11-06 21:04:14	evilop	"fine" meaning https://thumb.spokesman.com/D1ims2fi_wtetprNKQ2ZPakBmMU=/2500x1405/smart/media.spokesman.com/photos/2021/05/20/60a6741a3616b.hires.jpg
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2021-11-06 21:08:15	topcat001	LOL that is usually my expectation with nvidia.
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2021-11-06 21:09:36	barth	!aurctl nvidia-470xx-dkms
2021-11-06 21:09:36	phrik	barth: Is that a question?
2021-11-06 21:09:51	topcat001	I tend to use linux-lts + nvidia-lts on my older optimus laptop, and linux on my other machines (all Intel if I can help it).
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2021-11-06 21:09:59	susi	?pkgfile nvidia-470xx-dkms
2021-11-06 21:10:00	NetSysFire	its !aursearch i think
2021-11-06 21:10:00	@EMIYA	susi: no results for 'nvidia-470xx-dkms'
2021-11-06 21:10:08	NetSysFire	the aur is not indexed
2021-11-06 21:10:08	susi	!aursearch nvidia-470xx-dkms
2021-11-06 21:10:09	phrik	Searching AUR packages... https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?K=nvidia-470xx-dkms
2021-11-06 21:10:22	susi	there you go!
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2021-11-06 21:16:49	randomxusr	when I built my system, I installed Iptables in err. If I remove iptables and install nftables; should I expect networking to break?
2021-11-06 21:18:15	mikebutash	I don't think so, they usually default to permit
2021-11-06 21:18:34	rcf	randomxusr: how did you configure iptables
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2021-11-06 21:19:09	susi	there comes lots of examples in /usr/share/nftables of filters, and arch wiki has some examples too
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2021-11-06 21:20:18	randomxusr	I may have made some assumptions when I set up my system without considering consequences. I'll need to return to the wiki and properly configure nftables once installed
2021-11-06 21:21:41	randomxusr	When making changes switching over to Nftables, should I use a Live USB to chroot in and remove iptables and install nftables? Or can I do it from the installed system?
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2021-11-06 21:25:19	rcf	If you’re physically at the system you’re totally fine to do it on the installed system 
2021-11-06 21:26:55	mikebutash	worst case disable the nf_tables module
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2021-11-06 21:27:22	mikebutash	but just flush/clear your rules to start over, about the same as iptables.
2021-11-06 21:27:50	randomxusr	got it. I'm learning. In hindsight, that should have been one of the first things I learned how to use.
2021-11-06 21:27:52	mikebutash	I think you probably have other network issues
2021-11-06 21:28:39	mikebutash	securing a host with local firewall can be a tricky propopsition.  
2021-11-06 21:29:17	mikebutash	for a normal user environment, you'd be amazed the crap that tries to talk to this and that.
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2021-11-06 21:31:28	randomxusr	mikebutash, Oh, I know. That's what I'm afraid of. I don't have much on this system, that I'm concerned about, but then, you never know how vulnerable and valuable something is until it's compromised
2021-11-06 21:32:08	randomxusr	or maybe one does, but I'm in denial b/c I put this off.
2021-11-06 21:32:52	mikebutash	well, if you mininmize listening ports first, or bind them only local-host to the point nothing but maybe ssh is listening, I'd start there first.
2021-11-06 21:33:19	randomxusr	Good point
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2021-11-06 21:33:29	mikebutash	Filtering outbound crap your workstation might originate is much harder for outbound firewall rules
2021-11-06 21:34:02	mikebutash	I like running iftop and seeing what is talking in/out
2021-11-06 21:35:18	randomxusr	*sigh* I'm thinking I need to read up on nftables and firewalld and go through my logs
2021-11-06 21:36:04	mikebutash	as someone that runs infrastructure firewalls, I can say this is still a very difficult problem
2021-11-06 21:36:43	mikebutash	it's still hard to find a decent security management platform for local firewalls globally, Illumio as a security vendor is about the closest I've seen.
2021-11-06 21:37:15	mikebutash	they're an expensive enterprise security product for like zero-trust architectures
2021-11-06 21:38:23	mikebutash	with a host agent they watch your traffic, recommend a profile for what to allow or restrict, and then push a firewall policy to your system whether windoze, mac, or linux
2021-11-06 21:38:47	randomxusr	mikebutash, what your view of home routers? I've been uusing Arch as my home pc. Do you have suggestions?  I was consideringa a Firewalla or a Netgate 1100 and PiHole, but should probably still address the local system
2021-11-06 21:38:58	mikebutash	you have to reproduce that same thing, identify what you want in/out, and build policy around that
2021-11-06 21:39:46	mikebutash	a pihole mostly manipulates dns, but not a firewall
2021-11-06 21:39:48	randomxusr	got it. I'll have my hands full. I'm going to block quite a bit
2021-11-06 21:40:38	mikebutash	you can make a pi a gateway with another usb nic, but not a good option I think, better getting a small box as a gateway, plenty for sale these days
2021-11-06 21:42:24	evilop	mikrotik have some decent offerings
2021-11-06 21:42:30	evilop	(forget their wifi though)
2021-11-06 21:42:41	randomxusr	Right. I'm not a big fan of my router's firewall. I'm not happy with my Home router's firewall. No global options which really got me perturbed 
2021-11-06 21:43:03	mikebutash	I've run cisco asa, still a fortinet now, but I deal mostly with enterprise infrastructure, so the features are nice.  If not into that level of it, easy to find little gateway x86 hardware that can run pfense
2021-11-06 21:43:26	evilop	netgate 1100 can struggle a bit if you use it for anything more than a dumb router
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2021-11-06 21:43:39	mikebutash	I used a netgear router for a while just fine, did most security around dns with it
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2021-11-06 21:43:42	randomxusr	evilop, what would you suggets?
2021-11-06 21:43:51	evilop	depends on use case of course
2021-11-06 21:44:08	evilop	aka what features you want to run, and your line speed
2021-11-06 21:44:51	mikebutash	mikrotik is common out there yes, lots of europeans like them, but they have some doozy security issues too.
2021-11-06 21:44:57	evilop	want to do vpn and many fancy firewall rules at 1gb? its not going to be cheap
2021-11-06 21:44:59	randomxusr	I'm looking for something where I can block ports/protocals and blacklist ip addresses
2021-11-06 21:45:02	mikebutash	admittedly so has fortinet I use
2021-11-06 21:45:21	mikebutash	cisco asa/firepower isn't worth bothering with much
2021-11-06 21:45:23	evilop	mikebutash: basically all router makers have screwed up recently
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2021-11-06 21:45:40	randomxusr	yes
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2021-11-06 21:45:44	mikebutash	yeah, all the vendors suck at mainining their own boxes security
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2021-11-06 21:46:14	mikebutash	pfsync is popular, need to learn some bsd skillz though.
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2021-11-06 21:46:59	mikebutash	I've mostly migrated off of them, but knew several larger companies using them as production firewalls
2021-11-06 21:47:10	evilop	a cheap nuc can be a good alternative
2021-11-06 21:47:12	randomxusr	let's say I've got a budget of 5 - 600 for home network security. And I have an ITX machine and an Intel I-350 four port nic. 
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2021-11-06 21:48:27	randomxusr	better to bootstrap the Existing PC with PFsense or buy a pre-built from netgate?
2021-11-06 21:48:28	mikebutash	check out liliputing or cnx-software.com for gateway hardware
2021-11-06 21:48:44	randomxusr	got it. Are you familiar with firwalla?
2021-11-06 21:49:05	mikebutash	you can buy x86 gateway hardware on alibaba or ebay cheap for pfsync
2021-11-06 21:49:13	evilop	randomxusr: certainly cheaper in the short run at least
2021-11-06 21:49:27	mikebutash	if you want to pay a vendor for support, netgate and others make them readily
2021-11-06 21:49:35	evilop	randomxusr: you could run gnu/linux instead of pfsense too of course
2021-11-06 21:50:17	evilop	then you can also play with bpfilter :)
2021-11-06 21:50:22	mikebutash	I mostly mention pfsync as it's a well-known firewall suite with enterprise-ish features
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2021-11-06 21:51:42	mikebutash	bpf with zero-copy nic hardware is quite capable supposedly for pushing bandwidth, but most anyone needs outside a biz is maybe their gigabit to the home these days, which even iptables can handle
2021-11-06 21:52:01	randomxusr	Sounds Good. I'm going hop offline and get to securiing my set up.
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2021-11-06 21:52:36	mikebutash	install maybe a tool like ntop that can visualize your traffic
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2021-11-06 21:52:48	randomxusr	ooh good call
2021-11-06 21:52:50	mikebutash	iftop does if you understand connection flows
2021-11-06 21:52:59	evilop	if you really want to push packets on gnu/linux then there is a project that replaces the standard linux ip stack that gives a pretty impressive improvement
2021-11-06 21:53:30	evilop	probably not needed unless you want to play with 25gb etc though
2021-11-06 21:53:31	mikebutash	hell, so will ss -antp
2021-11-06 21:54:12	randomxusr	evilop, not needed? meaning the replacement ip stack?
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2021-11-06 21:55:18	mikebutash	it bypasses the local ip stack and uses a more efficient dma function to push packets, usually in hardware
2021-11-06 21:55:43	randomxusr	what's it called?
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2021-11-06 21:56:26	mikebutash	look up pf_ring zero-copy
2021-11-06 21:56:33	randomxusr	will do
2021-11-06 21:56:37	mikebutash	it's somewhat nic dependent
2021-11-06 21:56:59	mikebutash	intel, mellanox, solarflare, others do it somewhat differently
2021-11-06 21:57:16	randomxusr	some nics not compatible?
2021-11-06 21:57:22	randomxusr	I've got Intel
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2021-11-06 21:57:28	mikebutash	it's somewhat specific to the hardware
2021-11-06 21:57:33	mikebutash	you don't need it below 10g
2021-11-06 21:57:48	mikebutash	this is more as evilop said above 25gbps
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2021-11-06 21:58:29	mikebutash	I built a few small test boxes to push that bandwidth using cisco's open-sourced trex suite, I have seen them push 40-100gbps
2021-11-06 21:58:55	mikebutash	using intel or mellanox 40 and 100gbe nics respectively
2021-11-06 21:59:29	mikebutash	but the linux native ip stack tends to not be very effective at pushing that sort of traffic
2021-11-06 21:59:37	evilop	f-stak is also interesting
2021-11-06 21:59:45	randomxusr	Nice. I'm going with Gig speed on the home network. And again, just need to secure the local hosts, and maybe DNS and global ports on my router
2021-11-06 21:59:48	evilop	f-stack*
2021-11-06 22:00:11	randomxusr	I'll check that one as well.
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2021-11-06 22:00:30	mikebutash	Gig or lower you don't need the fancies.  I was doing that project to test a municipal optical network and a school district at the time
2021-11-06 22:00:47	evilop	its more for application serving etc than routing though
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2021-11-06 22:00:58	mikebutash	Right, it's a host network
2021-11-06 22:01:14	randomxusr	That makes sense
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2021-11-06 22:01:34	randomxusr	I think nftables and Firewalld will be fine for myself
2021-11-06 22:01:35	mikebutash	a small hardware system with port in, port out is all you need, put a real switch behind it
2021-11-06 22:01:41	randomxusr	Or Netgate
2021-11-06 22:02:05	randomxusr	Yea. I need to find a proper switch to use
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2021-11-06 22:02:32	mikebutash	almost any cheap gig switch can push gig just fine, maybe even at jumbo frames
2021-11-06 22:02:57	mikebutash	just don't setup jumbo frames on your internet interfaces
2021-11-06 22:03:07	randomxusr	I'm going to look for something running at gig speed with Vlan and maybe tagging
2021-11-06 22:03:22	evilop	most "smart" switches will do that just fine
2021-11-06 22:03:34	mikebutash	i use a little juniper ex2200 8 port poe switch
2021-11-06 22:03:55	randomxusr	roger that
2021-11-06 22:04:22	mikebutash	i power an ap and a bunch of iot stuff, plus my main box, fully managed, just need to learn some juniper cli
2021-11-06 22:04:54	evilop	if you need moar ports, something like https://mikrotik.com/product/crs326_24g_2s_in
2021-11-06 22:04:55	phrik	Title: MikroTik Routers and Wireless - Products: CRS326-24G-2S+IN (at mikrotik.com)
2021-11-06 22:05:03	randomxusr	I've got maybe 1 or two IOT devices
2021-11-06 22:05:08	evilop	if you also want to play with full management
2021-11-06 22:05:11	mikebutash	dell has a little 8 port switch that runs full onie hardware to run different network os's on it
2021-11-06 22:05:43	⚡ 	evilop hopes for sanely priced 2.5G switchs "soon"
2021-11-06 22:05:52	evilop	currently the price/port is just stupid
2021-11-06 22:05:57	mikebutash	I still use an old cisco 3550-8ps in my tv rack downstairs
2021-11-06 22:06:13	randomxusr	I'll check those out. Thanks for the insight here. I need to be running. Have a good weekend
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2021-11-06 22:06:33	mikebutash	yeah, very few selling total 2.5gbe switches, or 5gbe 
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2021-11-06 22:07:05	evilop	with the current pricing its cheaper to bundle 4x 1gb connections than getting a 2.5gb port
2021-11-06 22:07:09	mikebutash	those are mostly meant as ports for things like AP's or video devices ip super hi def ip cameras
2021-11-06 22:07:22	evilop	mikebutash: ip cameras doesn't need bw
2021-11-06 22:07:55	evilop	you can even do 8k 120hz 10bit over a 1gb link
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2021-11-06 22:08:20	evilop	most 4k ip cameras take <20mb/s
2021-11-06 22:08:57	mikebutash	some are multi-head units now, wouldn't be surprised to need more than 1gbps soon, but otherwise I agree
2021-11-06 22:09:11	evilop	feeding a wifi6(e) ap, or a decent nas etc is where 2.5G and up makes a difference
2021-11-06 22:09:58	⚡ 	evilop would prefer 2.5 over 10gb for most use cases due to power/speed ratio
2021-11-06 22:10:09	evilop	also usable speed limits 
2021-11-06 22:10:36	mikebutash	I have a number of arista switches, including a 96 port 10gbe tx switch I could probably use in my house, but most bandwidth I need is still at 1gbe when I'm pushing data to my filer
2021-11-06 22:11:17	evilop	2.5ghz would make a noticable difference for my file moving, with 10gb I would mostly be disk limited
2021-11-06 22:11:56	mikebutash	I keep a few older arista 7048T-A's running my house network with perhipheral 1gbe and even still 100mbps hardware without much care
2021-11-06 22:12:16	eagle	7048SX3's hurr
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2021-11-06 22:14:09	mikebutash	most of my aristas are for my lab here, but it's really hard to need above 1gbps for most things.  All my 10/40gbe hardware is mostly just for customer testing.
2021-11-06 22:14:18	snek	is it really not possible to install nvidia-470 without removing the normal driver?
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2021-11-06 22:14:49	evilop	snek: correct, both provides nvidia.ko
2021-11-06 22:14:53	evilop	snek: and all the other bits
2021-11-06 22:15:09	snek	so you just can't have a system with an old card and a new card
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2021-11-06 22:15:26	evilop	this isn't a problem thouhg since you can pacman -U nvidia-470* and simply say yes to the replace
2021-11-06 22:15:32	mikebutash	you should bel able to remove the driver and install the new prior to reboot, but admittedly not tried myself.
2021-11-06 22:15:33	evilop	no need to mess with pacman -Rd
2021-11-06 22:15:37	evilop	-Rdd even
2021-11-06 22:15:46	snek	i mean both cards at the same time
2021-11-06 22:16:00	evilop	snek: what would you use the old card for in such a setup anyway?
2021-11-06 22:16:06	evilop	do you have >4 screens?
2021-11-06 22:16:17	snek	i'm experimenting with gpu passthrough
2021-11-06 22:16:26	snek	so technically i can remove the new drivers but
2021-11-06 22:16:28	evilop	you don't need the driver for the old card on the host for that
2021-11-06 22:16:31	snek	yeah i know
2021-11-06 22:16:37	snek	its just kind of weird
2021-11-06 22:16:38	evilop	if you want to use the old card for passtrough
2021-11-06 22:16:45	mikebutash	I used to have 6 displays, but that's why I had an amd card with 6 outputs on it too.
2021-11-06 22:17:30	evilop	most modern cards should be able to run 6 displays too
2021-11-06 22:17:36	snek	does nouveau support both cards
2021-11-06 22:17:36	mikebutash	that's a weird one snek, not sure that will work to maintain both at the same time
2021-11-06 22:17:49	evilop	though limited res/ref rate, since you would be relying on dp chaining
2021-11-06 22:17:50	mikebutash	with old and new drivers
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2021-11-06 22:18:21	snek	if i sneak into nvidia headquarters
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2021-11-06 22:18:29	snek	and make a build of nvidia-470 where its nvidia_470.ko
2021-11-06 22:18:37	snek	would that appease the kernel
2021-11-06 22:18:47	mikebutash	and probably won't support the thunderbolt offload probably, but not sure how nouveau supports tb these days
2021-11-06 22:18:49	evilop	its not just about the kernel module
2021-11-06 22:19:04	evilop	its all the userspace bits too... which have to version match
2021-11-06 22:19:15	snek	what a pain
2021-11-06 22:19:24	evilop	ancient hardware is a pain, yes
2021-11-06 22:19:36	snek	nvidia is a pain
2021-11-06 22:19:41	evilop	no
2021-11-06 22:19:58	evilop	nvidia supports their hardware for longer than the competitors
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2021-11-07 08:54:48	horseface	hey guys, from this section here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Linux_Containers#Unprivileged_containers_on_linux-hardened_and_custom_kernels
2021-11-07 08:54:49	phrik	Title: Linux Containers - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-07 08:55:06	horseface	the passage: Enable the sysctl setting kernel.unprivileged_userns_clone to allow normal users to run unprivileged containers. This can be done for the current session with sysctl kernel.unprivileged_userns_clone=1 and can be made permanent with sysctl.d(5).
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2021-11-07 08:55:49	horseface	where do i places this line: sysctl kernel.unprivileged_userns_clone=1
2021-11-07 08:55:53	horseface	into...
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2021-11-07 08:56:46	horseface	/etc/sysctl.d/*.conf or /run/sysctl.d/*.conf or /usr/lib/sysctl.d/*.conf ?
2021-11-07 08:57:01	horseface	and how do i write it into it?
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2021-11-07 08:57:27	horseface	like, sysctl kernel.unprivileged_userns_clone=1 or kernel.unprivileged_userns_clone=1 ?
2021-11-07 08:57:49	horseface	i tried it and my bluetooth stopped working...
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2021-11-07 09:05:47	nl6720	horseface: in /etc. stuff in /run will not be persistent and /usr is package manager territory
2021-11-07 09:06:11	zbe	horseface, 'man sysctl.d'
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2021-11-07 09:16:21	horseface	thanks.
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2021-11-07 09:55:13	FireBear	hey, is there any way to hide cursor while typing on firefox in wayland?
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2021-11-07 11:20:07	vlad03	hey
2021-11-07 11:20:43	NetSysFire	!welcomerpg
2021-11-07 11:20:45	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how many .pacnew files you ignored.
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2021-11-07 11:24:54	alad	lol
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2021-11-07 11:45:23	agopo	!paste
2021-11-07 11:45:24	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-11-07 11:47:46	agopo	Trying to install https://githubmemory.com/repo/jeffshee/hidamari for animated wallpapers. Followed install instructions. When running hidamari I get the error message https://paste.rs/Jdp
2021-11-07 11:47:48	phrik	Title: jeffshee/hidamari - githubmemory (at githubmemory.com)
2021-11-07 11:48:09	agopo	How do I solve that?
2021-11-07 11:48:20	evilop	agopo: you ran that bash script?
2021-11-07 11:48:31	agopo	yes
2021-11-07 11:48:34	evilop	don't do that
2021-11-07 11:48:46	evilop	also, don't click on links in emails/sms
2021-11-07 11:49:03	agopo	evilop: haha I usually dont
2021-11-07 11:49:25	agopo	evilop: Here I figured too many people had tried hidamari for its install script to contain malicious code
2021-11-07 11:49:27	evilop	writing a PKGBUILD or using a venv is the thing you should do
2021-11-07 11:49:42	evilop	agopo: it might not be intentional malicious
2021-11-07 11:50:14	evilop	it might just do a sudo pip install  "to make it easy", while at the same time mess up your install :)
2021-11-07 11:50:42	agopo	Okay
2021-11-07 11:50:44	evilop	or do a bumblebee
2021-11-07 11:51:04	agopo	But - can you decipher the error in the paste?
2021-11-07 11:51:26	zelhar	I cannot boot with kernel 5.14.16. my system is amd based: thinkpad E485
2021-11-07 11:52:30	zelhar	when I try to boot with the newest kernel I get a non-responsive black screen, fan is full on and I think the pc is in some sort of freeze
2021-11-07 11:52:50	AlexC	does anyone have some experience with gsync and obs?
2021-11-07 11:53:11	evilop	zelhar: cpu?
2021-11-07 11:53:17	vlad03	i thought the black screen happened with crappily compiled kernels
2021-11-07 11:53:34	evilop	agopo: getting source for said app seems to be non trivial 
2021-11-07 11:53:37	zelhar	Ryzen 5 2500U
2021-11-07 11:53:40	vlad03	is the fallback initramfs working
2021-11-07 11:53:59	zelhar	@vlad03 no
2021-11-07 11:54:10	evilop	zelhar: I've seen a few other people on ryzen apu's complain about that
2021-11-07 11:54:12	vlad03	damn can you get an installer and chroot in
2021-11-07 11:54:53	zelhar	so do you think there will be a fix for that?
2021-11-07 11:55:05	vlad03	best you can do is roll back your kernel
2021-11-07 11:55:26	zelhar	yes I rolled back to 5.14.14
2021-11-07 11:55:30	evilop	agopo: try installing libwnck3
2021-11-07 11:55:43	vlad03	it's still stuck?
2021-11-07 11:56:07	zelhar	luckily I also have the lts kernel installed so I could just boot with the lts and roll back
2021-11-07 11:56:18	evilop	agopo: hmm apparently their bug tracker agrees with that https://githubmemory.com/repo/jeffshee/hidamari/issues/25
2021-11-07 11:56:20	phrik	Title: Hidamari doesn't open on Arch Linux - githubmemory (at githubmemory.com)
2021-11-07 11:57:54	agopo	evilop: Installing libwnck3 seems to have done the trick. Program starts
2021-11-07 11:58:01	agopo	evilop: thanks a lot!
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2021-11-07 11:59:00	agopo	phrik: you, too. Yes, that was the issue
2021-11-07 11:59:00	phrik	agopo: Is that… Is that really a word?
2021-11-07 11:59:26	agopo	phrik: Is what a word?
2021-11-07 11:59:28	phrik	Certainly so.
2021-11-07 11:59:54	evilop	nice, the author decided to invent his own shit instead of do standard setup.py
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2021-11-07 12:00:15	evilop	(people like that needs to die in a fire)
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2021-11-07 12:00:52	evilop	https://github.com/jeffshee/hidamari/pull/34 did happen though
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2021-11-07 12:03:04	kitzman	Do compressed initramfs'es have different magic numbers? Im trying to set up pxe boots for different os es, now arch is failing with that error ( i guess worst case scenario i can create my own initramfs)
2021-11-07 12:03:21	evilop	maybe I should write a PKGBUILD for it
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2021-11-07 12:05:50	Namarrgon	kitzman: an initramfs is just a regular archive and the signatures will differ depending on the format used for compression
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2021-11-07 12:07:12	kitzman	Aah that explains it. The iso has an xz compressed initramfs and i decompressed it (i have to instruct grub better)
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2021-11-07 12:10:43	horseface	hello, what is meant by this?
2021-11-07 12:10:48	horseface	Create both /etc/subuid and /etc/subgid to contain the mapping to the containerized uid/gid pairs for each user who shall be able to run the containers. The example below is simply for the root user (and systemd system unit):
2021-11-07 12:11:00	horseface	root:100000:65536
2021-11-07 12:11:21	horseface	/etc/subuid in this file?
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2021-11-07 12:12:08	horseface	the part about how they specify that it mentions that it refers to the some aspect of systemd?
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2021-11-07 12:15:37	evilop	no
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2021-11-07 12:16:00	evilop	its a feature independent of systemd
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2021-11-07 12:17:20	evilop	where are you reading this?
2021-11-07 12:17:49	evilop	and why are you using docket instead of podman :p
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2021-11-07 12:18:22	evilop	anyway, what they ment is that containers running as root will use that mapping
2021-11-07 12:19:00	⚡ 	evilop wish arch would touch subgid/subuid on install
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2021-11-07 12:19:58	evilop	but then again, generally not needed if you are not running containers so...
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2021-11-07 12:40:54	earnestly	evilop: I'd rather arch not own files it has no intention of maintaining, this frees them up for packaging them independently
2021-11-07 12:41:36	earnestly	It'd be nice if there was a proper way to "override" files owned by other packages, such as config files
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2021-11-07 12:41:44	kitzman	Btw does it matter which initramfs Im using? I. E i was thinking to build my own, and use it for all OSes I have on PXE
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2021-11-07 12:41:49	earnestly	(Which would also solve "alternatives" in a generic manner)
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2021-11-07 12:42:31	evilop	subuid/subgid isn't that different than shipping user/group though
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2021-11-07 12:43:00	earnestly	To be fair, those being files instead of .d style directories is also a bit of a sad misdesign
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2021-11-07 12:48:16	Nuc1eoN	Does anybody know a good unix/linux reference book by mistake? In particular I am currently interested in file permissions (why they have been created the way they are etc). Does anybody know a good book/compendium ?
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2021-11-07 12:49:57	Nselm	The Unix programming environment? Its a little old but still quite interesting, especially if you want to know some of the why
2021-11-07 12:50:24	evilop	as for unix permissions: because ram was expensive
2021-11-07 12:50:31	evilop	ram/storage
2021-11-07 12:51:37	Nuc1eoN	The reason is that recently a I made a pr in a project (of a windows guy) and I changed his main script to be executable by default. And he was like "I hope no linux security expert complains about this". And I thought like... No?? But then I couldnt explain to him why we would even need those permissions lmao
2021-11-07 12:52:22	evilop	if unix was created today we would (hopefully) have a full acl system from the start
2021-11-07 12:52:40	Nuc1eoN	evilop: seriously? So your saying it has nothing to do with security today?
2021-11-07 12:53:12	Nuc1eoN	Nselm thank u also i will take a look
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2021-11-07 12:53:42	Nuc1eoN	I wonder if plan9 had other file system perms
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2021-11-07 12:55:29	Nuc1eoN	Nselm: yes I guess even if the book is old, the "why" is probably more interesting nowadays. Because in some parts unix is obvsiously ingenious and in other parts you dont know if it's like that on purpse by design... or if it's just bad design :p
2021-11-07 12:55:53	earnestly	plan9 had namespaces and factotum.  See /dev/caphash
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2021-11-07 12:56:40	Nselm	Now my totally uninformed opinion: To my knowledge, Unix was a time-sharing system(?), that is multiple users would often use the same computer. This means that you dont want Alice  to be able to overwrite Bobs files at a whim. So it was more to protect the users from each other than to keep people out I think, especially since at that time, I
2021-11-07 12:56:41	Nselm	dont think anybody bothered about Computer security. Please correct me if I am wrong.
2021-11-07 12:56:56	earnestly	It still used DAC for file access.  They still very much believed in the idea of usable security being better than unusable but great security
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2021-11-07 12:57:41	earnestly	factotum is a better approach than complicated rbac/mac style systems which require a lot of intervention to use
2021-11-07 12:58:33	earnestly	And as most things are regulated via 9p, you could attach authfds to control access over it
2021-11-07 12:59:55	earnestly	factotum stored the keys, services only had to query it for access on the user's behalf and so those services never saw the user's key and never had to store them in its own memory/address space
2021-11-07 13:00:16	evilop	as for the implementation details, it makes for a really small struct
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2021-11-07 13:02:24	Nuc1eoN	Very interesting is there like some literature or links where I can read about different approaches like DAC, ACL etc? It seems difficult to find a good referenc eover google at least (or I am typing the wrong things)
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2021-11-07 13:02:37	earnestly	I'd like to some day explore using skarnet's pamela to move pam stuff out of process's address space
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2021-11-07 13:02:57	earnestly	Nuc1eoN: Discretionary Access Control
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2021-11-07 13:03:17	Nuc1eoN	earnestly, if you mean his system 66 its also on my to do list
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2021-11-07 13:03:23	Nuc1eoN	or s6
2021-11-07 13:03:47	Nselm	https://9p.io/sys/doc/auth.html maybe
2021-11-07 13:03:51	phrik	Title: Security in Plan 9 (at 9p.io)
2021-11-07 13:04:04	earnestly	Nselm: No, pamela
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2021-11-07 13:04:37	earnestly	https://skarnet.org/software/pamela/
2021-11-07 13:04:39	phrik	Title: pamela - a secure PAM implementation (at skarnet.org)
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2021-11-07 13:05:52	Nuc1eoN	Nselm, thanks for the link
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2021-11-07 13:34:20	Acid-Bong	Oi there, btw
2021-11-07 13:34:20	Acid-Bong	I've installed Arch with archinstall (version from 2021 Nov 1, XFCE) and chose Russian as system language. When i rebooted, i cannot enter my username, for only Russian layout is used. What hotkey can i change it to English with (if it's even available)?
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2021-11-07 13:36:07	evilop	boot the install image and adjust the keyboard config to your liking?
2021-11-07 13:36:22	evilop	hmm, rescue.target might also work
2021-11-07 13:36:50	Acid-Bong	forgot to specify: it's in VM (VirtualBox, latest version, Win 10)
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2021-11-07 13:41:37	Acid-Bong	s/latest version/v6.1.28/
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2021-11-07 15:12:05	erock	Anyone know how far apart -- in general -- zfs-linux-git is from arch kernel releases?
2021-11-07 15:36:00	perrierjouet	wich ECC to choose ? is curve 25519 better than brainpool p-384 ? 
2021-11-07 16:34:22	bea	i might be thick but, say theres a package in the aur and i've cloned it. i've made modifications to the source, and i'd like to rebuild and reinstall the package -- what incantation of makepkg is correct in order to make my change stick (ie not re-download source)
2021-11-07 16:34:56	carbolymer_	--noextract ?
2021-11-07 16:35:02	bea	or is the correct way to do it is to fork the source and write my own PKGBUILD
2021-11-07 16:35:37	carbolymer	bea: do you plan to maintain the forked source? if not, it would be better to just patch it in pkgbuild
2021-11-07 16:35:41	bea	no extract it is
2021-11-07 16:35:56	carbolymer	bea: I'm doing sth similar in https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=zsh-zim-git
2021-11-07 16:35:57	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-11-07 16:41:04	carbolymer	since I've pasted a link to my PKGBUILD... I have pkgver() which returns package version from git commit hash - so in AUR is shown the version which I've pushed. How can I upgrade package on my machines? should I rebuild it every time I do system upgrade, as well as other *-git packages?
2021-11-07 16:41:11	carbolymer	I'm using yay, if that makes any difference
2021-11-07 16:46:54	morganamilo	You can just periodically check. Yay also has its own way of checking 
2021-11-07 16:47:15	⚡ 	carbolymer squints at yay's man
2021-11-07 17:05:05	lambda	carbolymer: rebuilding VCS packages iff required is one of the use cases for AUR helpers 
2021-11-07 17:07:03	carbolymer	lambda: yeah, but I've migrated to yay some time ago and it seemed to be not working out of the box
2021-11-07 17:07:25	lambda	hm, never used it, so not sure how to make it work
2021-11-07 17:11:50	morganamilo	carbolymer: how exactly is it not working? 
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2021-11-07 17:31:57	carbolymer	morganamilo: `yay -Syu` and I still have old `-git` packages; I did `yay --devel --save` and `pacman -Qmq | grep -Ee '-(cvs|svn|git|hg|bzr|darcs)$' | yay -S --needed -` and let's see how it goes down the road
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2021-11-07 17:32:54	morganamilo	carbolymer: how do you know their old! And we're the packages ever installed with yay? 
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2021-11-07 17:42:20	carbolymer	morganamilo: I've just checked hashes in my local packages and their git repositories, and they're different; I'm not sure, I think not 
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2021-11-07 17:43:26	morganamilo	Yay needs to have initially installed the package to know the hash at compile time 
2021-11-07 17:43:32	morganamilo	Otherwise use --gendb 
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2021-11-07 18:20:03	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2021-11-07 17:50:15	Scimmia	carbolymer: the pkgver needs to be more than just the hash. It has to have a way of increasing on each commit
2021-11-07 17:53:53	Scimmia	oh, I missed the link, it does have the number of revisions, so that's what you should be checking
2021-11-07 18:15:07	armin	anyone here using the "foot" terminal emulator? when updating my arch installation, i get the following error related to ncurses conflicting with some foot terminfo file:  https://unix.porn/f.png  - is my understanding correct that the ncurses package contains that terminfo file?
2021-11-07 18:18:50	thrice	 /usr/share/terminfo/f/foot is owned by ncurses 6.3-1
2021-11-07 18:19:44	Namarrgon	did you install foot from the aur?
2021-11-07 18:19:54	lambda	armin: update your foot-terminfo: https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/commit/?h=foot-terminfo&id=373cd34e4695837b6c82461313461f4149c770a1
2021-11-07 18:19:59	Namarrgon	have you checked the comments?
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2021-11-07 18:22:46	armin	Namarrgon: yes
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2021-11-07 18:23:33	armin	lambda: perfect pointer, thank you!
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2021-11-07 18:24:48	armin	ah there's also a pinned comment message on the site of the aur package: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/foot/
2021-11-07 18:24:50	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - foot (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-11-07 18:24:51	armin	perfect
2021-11-07 18:25:04	armin	lambda, Namarrgon: ty!
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2021-11-07 18:27:29	fef	hello there
2021-11-07 18:27:32	fef	Need help
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2021-11-07 18:27:46	fef	Not sure this is the right channel
2021-11-07 18:28:09	mpan	fef: if it’s about Arch Linux, it is probably the right channel. Note that this is about Arch Linux, not so called “Arch derivatives”.
2021-11-07 18:28:32	◣	ixil (~ixil@91-119-152-116.dsl.dynamic.surfer.at) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2021-11-07 18:28:48	fef	There is no screen recorder +_ camera in arch linux
2021-11-07 18:29:34	fef	The thing our little youtube use , there face are visible tiny on the left/right bottom of the screen , when they explain code.
2021-11-07 18:29:50	fef	youtuber*
2021-11-07 18:30:31	mpan	And what is the question?
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2021-11-07 18:32:09	thrice	if you have software in mind, you can check arch's AUR
2021-11-07 18:32:43	Gagis	I'd recommend OBS, tho its in main repos and doesnt even need AUR
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2021-11-07 18:33:16	Gagis	may need some extra plugins or tweaks for exotic recording sources
2021-11-07 18:34:26	dimis	You can use Guvcview for your camera to capture your face and a screen recorder or OBS to capture the desktop while your face is showing in a windows on the desktop
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2021-11-07 18:34:54	teraflops	fef: I don't know where did you look at to say there's no software
2021-11-07 18:34:58	teraflops	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/list_of_applications
2021-11-07 18:34:59	phrik	Title: List of applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-07 18:35:18	fef	well look at LOOM guys
2021-11-07 18:35:26	fef	loom.com/
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2021-11-07 18:35:33	Gagis	OBS can do thay without needing to have anything on your desktop. it lets you layer different image sources on top of each other
2021-11-07 18:35:38	fef	and https://www.vmaker.com/
2021-11-07 18:35:40	phrik	Title: Free Screen, Webcam, and Video recording Tool | Vmaker (at www.vmaker.com)
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2021-11-07 18:35:56	Foxboron	fef: none of that is needed at all. OBS does what you want
2021-11-07 18:36:00	MacGyver	Yeah we don't have those shit closed-source knock-offs of OBS.
2021-11-07 18:36:02	Gagis	OBS is the industry standard for doing that. I recommend you try it
2021-11-07 18:36:09	teraflops	and it does it very well
2021-11-07 18:36:10	Gagis	many "professional" streamers use OBS as well
2021-11-07 18:36:50	fef	k ill check it out
2021-11-07 18:36:51	fef	btw does it show my face while i record the screen , to the bottom corner?
2021-11-07 18:36:56	plainoldcheese	afaik streamlabs is also just a reskinned and customised obs
2021-11-07 18:37:12	MacGyver	fef: If you set up the scene that way, yes it does.
2021-11-07 18:37:14	Gagis	yeah, its the chrome to the chromium of OBS
2021-11-07 18:37:25	Foxboron	plainoldcheese: It is indeed
2021-11-07 18:37:59	plainoldcheese	if you just want to record a quick gif of an area of your screen. peek is also a pretty nice and simple app
2021-11-07 18:38:28	fef	loom also supports , video sharing
2021-11-07 18:38:38	fef	but obs doesnt have that thing
2021-11-07 18:38:43	Gagis	yeah, for really short snippets OBS might be a bit of an overkill but thats what I know so thats what I have used for the same purpose
2021-11-07 18:38:54	Foxboron	fef: you are changing your requirements.
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2021-11-07 18:39:05	technicus	Hello.
2021-11-07 18:39:05	fef	I just need to record 5 min video max
2021-11-07 18:39:15	Foxboron	fef: OBS solves that problem
2021-11-07 18:39:19	teraflops	and to show your face!
2021-11-07 18:39:25	Gagis	a ton of youtubers record with OBS and upload to youtube. it has settings presets available for compatible encoding
2021-11-07 18:39:45	plainoldcheese	if you are comfortable with a little scripting ffmpeg can do pretty much everything except the streaming 
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2021-11-07 18:40:03	teraflops	there's ffcast!
2021-11-07 18:40:05	fef	i dont care about live streaming
2021-11-07 18:40:06	Foxboron	plainoldcheese: ffmpeg can do the streaming as well
2021-11-07 18:40:09	plainoldcheese	OBS is definitely the way if you want to have multiple windows/cameras 
2021-11-07 18:40:17	plainoldcheese	oh wow didn't realise that
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2021-11-07 18:40:18	Gagis	maybe theres something more simple like plain mentioned peek, but OBS is what a lot of people are familiar with so its the first thing theyll think of
2021-11-07 18:40:31	Foxboron	plainoldcheese: It's just... convolutes to say the least
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2021-11-07 18:40:40	Foxboron	convoluted*
2021-11-07 18:40:43	teraflops	haha
2021-11-07 18:40:49	fef	i feel OBS an overkill for 5 min video guys
2021-11-07 18:40:56	MacGyver	You're wrong, though.
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2021-11-07 18:41:13	MacGyver	It does exactly what you want, and you can get started with recording in about 5 minutes.
2021-11-07 18:41:18	MacGyver	Just set up the scene, click record.
2021-11-07 18:41:31	ℹ 	yotsuba-chan es conocido ahora como yotsuba
2021-11-07 18:41:38	teraflops	overkill is to arm a ffmpeg screen mixing 2 sources plus audio
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2021-11-07 18:41:39	fef	I'm wondering how much ram this could take :(
2021-11-07 18:41:41	MacGyver	It's not exactly much more difficult than the things you linked, and has the benefit of actually being available to you.
2021-11-07 18:41:55	MacGyver	I guarantee it takes less RAM than the alternatives you linked.
2021-11-07 18:42:08	plainoldcheese	theres a simple video capture app called kooha on flathub
2021-11-07 18:42:12	plainoldcheese	https://flathub.org/apps/details/io.github.seadve.Kooha
2021-11-07 18:42:13	phrik	Title: Flathub—An app store and build service for Linux (at flathub.org)
2021-11-07 18:43:23	Gagis	on a related note. anyone able to recommend me an alternative to OpenShot? it had work breaking bugs the last time I tried so I wanna try with an alternative
2021-11-07 18:43:34	Foxboron	Gagis: I like kdenlive
2021-11-07 18:43:40	Gagis	I'll check it out
2021-11-07 18:43:47	ℹ 	rwb es conocido ahora como rb
2021-11-07 18:43:50	plainoldcheese	ive been using pitivi
2021-11-07 18:44:00	plainoldcheese	olive is supposed to be good but might be unstable
2021-11-07 18:44:19	Gagis	cheers
2021-11-07 18:44:51	MacGyver	I just splice and stitch my videos by hand with ffmpeg, tbh.
2021-11-07 18:45:04	MacGyver	I really *should* pick an editor and use it.
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2021-11-07 18:45:17	karx	+1 for kdenlive
2021-11-07 18:46:14	Foxboron	All the archconf videos where edited with kdenlive :p worked pretty well
2021-11-07 18:46:29	Foxboron	Had to wire up hw encoding for rendering, but that wasn't super hard either
2021-11-07 18:46:38	technicus	I am having trouble getting this Reaktek network driver to install: < https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/rtl8814au-aircrack-dkms-git/ >, for the "Alfa AWUS1900 802.11ac 1900 Mbps Dual band USB Wifi Adapter".  I have tried following: < https://miloserdov.org/?p=5493 >.  I think the problem might be the kernel that I have: "5.14.16-zen1-1-zen".  Does anyone have recommendations for getting this
2021-11-07 18:46:38	technicus	driver to work??
2021-11-07 18:46:39	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - rtl8814au-aircrack-dkms-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-11-07 18:46:55	Gagis	can't be too much harder than setting up nvenc for OBS?
2021-11-07 18:47:12	karx	technicus: what do you mean by "not working"
2021-11-07 18:47:23	karx	do you mean it won't find network connections?
2021-11-07 18:47:32	Foxboron	Gagis: mm, a bit tricker. You are messing with ffmpeg options directly
2021-11-07 18:47:37	Foxboron	trickier*
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2021-11-07 18:47:56	Gagis	ah well, my project is short enough itll be fine even with CPU encoding
2021-11-07 18:48:02	Gagis	just a gazillion tiny little clips
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2021-11-07 18:49:27	teraflops	MacGyver: I switched from plain gstreamer script to gst-rec, I find gstreamer more lightweight 
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2021-11-07 18:49:59	MacGyver	teraflops: This is purely for the editing part -- recording I have to keep doing in obs.
2021-11-07 18:50:04	teraflops	ah
2021-11-07 18:50:27	technicus	karx: the network manager does not recognize that the device is available, but it shows . . . well, I just checked and now I can not see it reported by lsusb any more . . . hmmm.
2021-11-07 18:50:54	technicus	is pci
2021-11-07 18:51:04	technicus	oops . . . wrong terminal
2021-11-07 18:51:09	karx	technicus: have you updated your kernel wthout rebooting?
2021-11-07 18:52:03	technicus	karx: I did reboot. . . . I have tried a few things, and I have been at this a couple of days.
2021-11-07 18:52:55	technicus	I think this driver only works with a regular kernel.
2021-11-07 18:53:11	fef	difference b/w obs vs openshot?
2021-11-07 18:53:43	teraflops	openshot is a video editing tool
2021-11-07 18:53:55	technicus	karx: the maintainer has described having problems with stability.
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2021-11-07 18:54:15	teraflops	technicus: what are you talking about?
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2021-11-07 18:57:18	technicus	teraflops: comments for the driver package in the AUR intended for the "Alfa AWUS1900 802.11ac 1900 Mbps Dual band USB Wifi Adapter".  https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/rtl8814au-aircrack-dkms-git/#comment-817421
2021-11-07 18:57:19	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - rtl8814au-aircrack-dkms-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2021-11-07 18:58:03	teraflops	realtek^^
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2021-11-07 18:58:35	technicus	teraflops: do you have experience with these chipsets?
2021-11-07 18:58:47	teraflops	a bad one yes
2021-11-07 18:59:06	teraflops	as in a clusterfuk of drivers and devices and ppor performance overall
2021-11-07 18:59:13	teraflops	poor^
2021-11-07 18:59:25	teraflops	but it's just my experience
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2021-11-07 18:59:29	technicus	Hmm . . . what solution did you come up with?
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2021-11-07 18:59:48	teraflops	I bought a new wireless nick
2021-11-07 18:59:55	teraflops	nic^
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2021-11-07 19:00:20	Dan39	anyone else notice issues with latest nvidia driver? i downgraded and it fixed problems. was having areas of black flashing while playing video game (diabloe 2 resurrected)
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2021-11-07 19:01:34	whoever	hi all is gnome broken or is it me ,  i have been tring in install gnome since yesterday , get durring package clean up  i get asked to replace a few config files and no matter wat i answer i get failed install no packages were updated
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2021-11-07 19:02:08	Dan39	whoever: can you pastebin the output?
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2021-11-07 19:02:35	whoever	its on a different box so no 
2021-11-07 19:02:44	mikebutash	Dan39: try disabling compositing when playing, if I leave kwin running, I get anything to flashing to tearing and such
2021-11-07 19:02:50	Namarrgon	whoever: it doesn't have an internet connection?
2021-11-07 19:03:00	◣	moonshine (~moonshine@user/moonshine) ha salido (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2021-11-07 19:03:16	Dan39	whoever: well try again and pastebin it lol
2021-11-07 19:03:29	Dan39	mikebutash: that might help... thanks
2021-11-07 19:03:44	whoever	no gui and afaik the pastebin pkg is broken 
2021-11-07 19:03:49	Namarrgon	!give whoever pastepacman
2021-11-07 19:03:50	phrik	whoever: LC_ALL=C pacman --debug <your pacman options> |& tee >(curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io)
2021-11-07 19:04:11	whoever	ok 
2021-11-07 19:04:28	low-key	was going through the linux filesystem hierarchy on the linux documentation project 
2021-11-07 19:04:31	Dan39	hmm, kwin also has an option to allow application to block compositing :D
2021-11-07 19:04:46	Dan39	though i doubt a windows game running in wine will interface with that properly, but you never know...
2021-11-07 19:04:56	low-key	it says that / should have a /media directory for FSSTND compliance but arch doesn't seem to have that
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2021-11-07 19:05:05	low-key	is the doc outdated?
2021-11-07 19:05:19	Namarrgon	should != must
2021-11-07 19:05:36	Namarrgon	i don't think any important spec requires /media
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2021-11-07 19:06:32	Dan39	i usually see a media directory under /run if that helps :P
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2021-11-07 19:08:22	mikebutash	Ubuntu tends to have a /media directory
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2021-11-07 19:09:06	mikebutash	I think that's where it loads usb drives and temp media if I remember right
2021-11-07 19:09:24	Gagis	yeah, its a policy for default mounting points. fairly sensible
2021-11-07 19:09:37	Gagis	no idea if its based on any standard or just internal choise
2021-11-07 19:11:37	Namarrgon	i'm pretty sure that ubuntu changes udisks behaviour to mount to /media instead of under /run 
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2021-11-07 19:12:30	whoever	Dan39: i just noticed durring the install of gome it is trying to unzip a signature of jones witchel , unknown trust 
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2021-11-07 19:13:39	Dan39	google that error , i get that but forget every time how to fix it, i think maybe u need to either install pacman-keyring before others, or run some command to update keys, or gpg something. i never remember <_<
2021-11-07 19:13:53	Namarrgon	when was the last time you updated this system?
2021-11-07 19:14:52	Dan39	archlinux-keyring* i meant
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2021-11-07 19:15:43	Dan39	but nevermind me, listen to Namarrgon lol, they know better i bet :P
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2021-11-07 19:17:19	mikebutash	the keyring thing is always annoying, it would be nice if pacman knew it needed to update that when it finds broken trusts and did so automatically.
2021-11-07 19:17:19	whoever	Dan39: i just read about it and ya thats close  to what  it said 
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2021-11-07 19:18:35	low-key	i did notice media being under /run
2021-11-07 19:18:46	low-key	was just curious why arch did it this way
2021-11-07 19:19:11	teraflops	using nautilus?
2021-11-07 19:19:28	Namarrgon	udisks does it this way, arch doesn't interfere
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2021-11-07 19:23:49	mikebutash	the run thing still throws me to find automount stuff too coming from ubuntu.
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2021-11-07 19:25:06	low-key	teraflops: me? i'm just using nnn but that shouldn't make a difference, should it?
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2021-11-07 19:25:21	low-key	Namarrgon: i see, thanks :)
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2021-11-07 19:25:46	teraflops	nautilus mounts stuff in /run/media/user/whatever or something like that
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2021-11-07 19:25:52	teraflops	hence my question
2021-11-07 19:26:06	Dan39	fedora puts under /run/media/user/ also
2021-11-07 19:26:14	teraflops	idk what nnn is ;(
2021-11-07 19:26:18	Dan39	so there's at least like 5 distros that do haha
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2021-11-07 19:27:10	Dan39	and i guess the few distros based on arch do too, so the numbers are increasing a lot now :D
2021-11-07 19:27:32	teraflops	I don't think it's distro related
2021-11-07 19:28:10	Dan39	well true
2021-11-07 19:28:33	Dan39	but the distro could probably change it if they wanted, but they don't chose that, they just chose not to change it i guess :P
2021-11-07 19:31:08	alad	Dan39: it's udisks2 doing that
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2021-11-07 19:31:31	alad	which was already pointed out
2021-11-07 19:31:36	low-key	teraflops: it's a terminal file manager, like ranger
2021-11-07 19:31:42	teraflops	ah ;)
2021-11-07 19:31:44	low-key	just recently discovered it and have been trying it out
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2021-11-07 19:43:58	teraflops	this foot terminal has input method all messed up or it's just me? :P
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2021-11-07 19:44:14	teraflops	I type ls and it prints lslslsls lol
2021-11-07 19:44:33	rj1	arch linux rules!!!!!!!!
2021-11-07 19:44:40	⚡ 	teraflops rolls
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2021-11-07 19:47:11	low-key	any nnn users know how to get cp mv progress working?
2021-11-07 19:47:30	low-key	i do have the patched binaries and they work fine when called from outside but i dunno how to get nnn to call them
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2021-11-07 19:52:50	low-key	okay, there was an issue on GitHub with the solution
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2021-11-07 20:08:45	susi	would I be even more L33t if I switched to Gentoo?
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2021-11-07 20:12:19	juliademille	do y'all know of a way to install arch in a GUI environment while still getting pure clean arch? having the GUI for multiple terminals, copy and paste, and firefox would be useful but i want to install Arch as normal
2021-11-07 20:12:22	umaxtu	susi: you'd have even less time to have fun
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2021-11-07 20:13:04	plainoldcheese	juliademille, arch-install is pretty clean
2021-11-07 20:13:18	Gagis	IO imagine it'd be possible to set up arch environment in a bootable live stick of any other distro
2021-11-07 20:13:19	mikebutash	like using a manjaro installer?
2021-11-07 20:13:20	Namarrgon	juliademille: boot the distro you want to install arch from, download the bootstrap tarball and chroot into it
2021-11-07 20:13:48	Gagis	I assume he means like booting a live ubuntu or something and chrooting for arch installation from there?
2021-11-07 20:13:49	juliademille	like, i want to do the install from terminal as normal, just in a GUI environment so i don't need to have my laptop on my cramped desk
2021-11-07 20:13:56	juliademille	Gagis: she*
2021-11-07 20:15:01	mikebutash	I was using the manjaro install cd to bring up a desktop, launch ssh, and just worked from my normal system remotely on it to install like normal arch
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2021-11-07 20:15:36	mikebutash	Then I could cut and paste stuff at least
2021-11-07 20:15:48	NetSysFire	we recommend to use the archiso instead of manjaros stuff. its not known for working well.
2021-11-07 20:16:09	juliademille	yeah my concern with manjaro is pacstrap behaving in stupid ways
2021-11-07 20:16:18	susi	juliademille: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_from_existing_Linux#Method_A:_Using_the_bootstrap_image_(recommended)
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2021-11-07 20:16:20	NetSysFire	theres also a bootstrap image
2021-11-07 20:16:20	phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux from existing Linux - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-07 20:16:20	Namarrgon	don't use manjaro's pacman to install arch
2021-11-07 20:16:23	NetSysFire	damn
2021-11-07 20:16:32	juliademille	susi: i'll go check that out
2021-11-07 20:17:01	juliademille	it also looks like Fedora could be a viable option
2021-11-07 20:17:09	juliademille	it apparently has pacman and arch-install-scripts in the repos
2021-11-07 20:17:12	Gagis	oh hey, that looks like exactly what you need
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2021-11-07 20:17:28	juliademille	thanks for the help y'all
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2021-11-07 20:19:33	susi	what's the point of mount --bind /tmp/root /tmp/root 
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2021-11-07 20:20:03	Namarrgon	to provide a mountpoint for / in the chroot, otherwise some tools freak out
2021-11-07 20:20:05	teraflops	arch iso is great to bootstrap debian, all the debian goodies are in the aur
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2021-11-07 20:26:22	susi	I guess running htop constantly isn't too resource hungry?
2021-11-07 20:32:11	NetSysFire	why do you want  to leave htop running?
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2021-11-07 20:34:46	teraflops	to make a hacker movie
2021-11-07 20:34:59	teraflops	they always put htop's output
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2021-11-07 20:36:07	bea	what do you need a laptop for exactly?
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2021-11-07 20:36:19	bea	you can reference the wiki from the installer iso
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2021-11-07 20:36:39	MacGyver	I vastly prefer a graphical browser as well though.
2021-11-07 20:37:01	MacGyver	Just because you *can* do it on the system you're installing doesn't mean it's the one you should prefer :P
2021-11-07 20:37:21	bea	seems like a weird amount of work just get a rendered webpage reference
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2021-11-07 20:37:27	bea	but hey
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2021-11-07 20:37:35	bea	you do you, as the kids say
2021-11-07 20:37:53	whoever	hi all, in gnome do you have to be a member of a specific goup form gnome-terminal to open? it won't open for a user but if i iinstall xterm, xterm will open no problem 
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2021-11-07 20:38:09	Namarrgon	whoever: did you configure the locale?
2021-11-07 20:38:22	Namarrgon	what does "locale" return from xterm?
2021-11-07 20:38:27	whoever	Namarrgon: yes 
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2021-11-07 20:50:33	bea	if you run gnome-terminal from xterm, does it complain?
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2021-11-07 20:53:28	whoever	Namarrgon: i guess somethinng whent wrong durring the install i remember doing it 
2021-11-07 20:53:42	whoever	but everyline is ^C
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2021-11-07 20:58:34	Namarrgon	whoever: go back to that part of the installation guide and fix it
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2021-11-07 21:00:20	arseru	Hi there! I'm back with my `nemo` timeout issue every time I boot up my machine (the 2nd time I open up nemo that does not happen), any ideas how can I try to fix it? https://bpa.st/4MXQ
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2021-11-07 21:04:14	bea	that paste seems to be nonexistent
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2021-11-07 21:12:50	whoever	do i need to restart after regeneratng locales for them to take effect 
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2021-11-07 21:17:27	alad	just login again for LANG etc. to take effect in your session
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2021-11-08 10:33:29	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2021-11-08 10:33:29	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1319 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1319 normals)
2021-11-08 07:17:08	Toxmi	I want to install an npm package and run it. Install seems straight-forward as `npm install x` but I don't know how can I run the app I've tried `npm exex x` or `npm run x` without luck. Also couldn't find a solution from arch wiki, I don't know what I've been missed here, are install npm packages are supposed to run locally? right?
2021-11-08 07:33:32	LordRishav	Why do I need btrfs-progs if I don't have any BTRFS volumes?
2021-11-08 07:36:34	jelle	you don't :)
2021-11-08 08:03:10	rcf	Toxmi: you set your $PATH appropriately and it will work 
2021-11-08 08:06:02	Toxmi	rcf: I don't see a bin or something to run it. I guess the app doesn't have local server capability in the first palce.
2021-11-08 08:06:14	Toxmi	rcf: I want to install this package: https://www.npmjs.com/package/fullcalendar
2021-11-08 08:06:16	phrik	Title: fullcalendar - npm (at www.npmjs.com)
2021-11-08 08:07:10	Toxmi	My intension is to be able to work with this package but I guess it's intendeded to be embeded in a html project or a web project not a straight-forward server app, I guess
2021-11-08 08:09:47	Toxmi	and by server-app I mean to run it and it provide a localhost:<PORT> in which I run it or some other sort of localhost running -- sorry on poor terminology I'm not familar with this stuff at all
2021-11-08 08:16:40	Toxmi	the fullcalendar  is not an app - it's an library which I can only use. I thought npm is a tool which wrap this up to easily run such things :)
2021-11-08 08:16:59	Toxmi	10
2021-11-08 08:30:39	Toxmi	I like to have a local alternative for google calendar (other than next-cloud, Korganizer, Gnome-calendar, etc). I've found really nice javascript alternatives such as (https://github.com/nhn/tui.calendar, or fullcalendar) but I want to run these locally, like an electron app wrap around them and just run them in my local machine. Is there a simple approach to build such thing?
2021-11-08 08:32:01	Velvet	thunderbird has a calendar
2021-11-08 08:32:21	Velvet	google plug ins if you need it
2021-11-08 08:33:50	Toxmi	Velvet: Thanks I'll check thunderbird and emacs as well. So I guess it's not easy to nativify a JS library in local machine.
2021-11-08 08:57:31	lolok	pacman -Qo lsp-plugins-ladspa.so
2021-11-08 08:57:31	lolok	error: No package owns lsp-plugins-ladspa.so
2021-11-08 08:57:34	lolok	pacman -F lsp-plugins-ladspa.so
2021-11-08 08:57:34	lolok	community/lsp-plugins 1.1.30-1 (ladspa-plugins lv2-plugins pro-audio vst-plugins) [installed]
2021-11-08 08:57:34	lolok	    usr/lib/ladspa/lsp-plugins-ladspa.so
2021-11-08 08:57:45	lolok	lol am i missing something?
2021-11-08 08:58:22	lolok	would be nice to have the -x flag with -Q same as -F has
2021-11-08 09:00:03	lolok	or is there a better way to do this?
2021-11-08 10:33:29	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-11-08 10:36:06	teraflops	lolok: pacman -Qo /path/to/file
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2021-11-08 10:37:32	Wennadocta	hi
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2021-11-08 10:38:05	Wennadocta	anyone here?
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2021-11-08 10:38:56	julemand101	Wennadocta: yes?
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2021-11-08 11:03:37	arseru	Hi! When I boot my machine (lightdm + i3wm), there are some gtk apps (e.g. evince, nemo) that experience a 25s timeout with the error `Error calling StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop: Timeout was reached`. It looks like this is due to having the services xdg-desktop-portal{,-gtk} inactive, and trying to open those gtk apps activates them, which takes around 25s. This does not
2021-11-08 11:03:37	arseru	happen for example with `irccloud`; if I boot my 
2021-11-08 11:03:37	arseru	machine, open `irccloud` and then `nemo`, I'm not experiencing any timeouts at all because `irccloud` seems to activate both services fast enough. Finally, I'm not able to manually enable both services (the message shown is `they are not meant to be enabled using systemctl`), so I don't know how to fix this. Should both services be always enabled for an Xsession, and if so, which component i
2021-11-08 11:03:37	arseru	responsible for it in my i3 setup?
2021-11-08 11:04:32	susi	why's NM doing this: https://0x0.st/-5Vx.txt
2021-11-08 11:04:48	susi	I don't have a connection named 'Wired connection 1'
2021-11-08 11:05:04	susi	and I do not use wired connections ever
2021-11-08 11:05:22	arseru	*is responsible
2021-11-08 11:14:48	susi	well, I deleted the 'wired connection 1' it was somehow auto-created, but there's no such profile under /system-connections/... so I wonder where's the settings of this profile?
2021-11-08 11:21:56	lionkor	Hello! I got an arduino nano knockoff from my university, and when I plug it in I cannot see any /dev/ttyUSB* at all. I was here before with this issue and removing brltty was the solution then, but its not installed now. Anyone got ideas?
2021-11-08 11:22:57	jelle	!kernelcheck
2021-11-08 11:22:57	phrik	compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2021-11-08 11:28:43	lionkor	jelle: all three say 5.14.14.arch1-1
2021-11-08 11:32:17	arseru	jelle: do you know where can I find the changelog for i3-sensible-terminal? I'm asking you because I saw you in the i3-wm commits. Just curious, not trying to complain about anything :P
2021-11-08 11:32:40	jelle	arseru: hmmm probably in the i3wm changelog?
2021-11-08 11:35:47	arseru	jelle: honestly I can't even find that one
2021-11-08 11:36:29	kib	just a sugggestoin, check out yt-dlp-drop-in from the aur 
2021-11-08 11:36:52	kib	if there's something that needs youtube-dl but you want it to use yt-dlp this is what you probably want
2021-11-08 11:37:05	kib	it works well for me
2021-11-08 11:38:13	arseru	jelle: nvm, I found what I was looking for https://github.com/i3/i3/commit/9f3a3a1d I was wondering why my `bindsym $mod+Return exec i3-sensible-terminal` was recently launching xfce4-terminal now instead of urxvt as always :)
2021-11-08 11:38:42	kib	arseru: i use $term which i set 
2021-11-08 11:39:04	kib	never like the i3-sensible-terminal thing
2021-11-08 11:40:13	kib	lionkor: the latest stable is .16 not .14
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2021-11-08 11:45:26	arseru	kib: it's fine by me, I just uninstalled xfce4-terminal which I never use and that's it
2021-11-08 11:46:03	kib	i used to have lots of terminals installed so it was an annoyance :)
2021-11-08 11:46:21	kib	now i juse use xfce4-terminal exclusively
2021-11-08 11:46:34	teraflops	kib: so there is an order https://build.i3wm.org/docs/i3-sensible-terminal.html
2021-11-08 11:46:36	phrik	Title: i3: i3-sensible-terminal(1) (at build.i3wm.org)
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2021-11-08 11:47:37	teraflops	either that or set $TERMINAL
2021-11-08 11:48:13	kib	ah i set $term i think a var i make up in .xinitrc
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2021-11-08 11:48:48	teraflops	that's not the right file to set such var imo
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2021-11-08 11:49:23	kib	then?
2021-11-08 11:49:32	kib	or maybe in my config.fish
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2021-11-08 11:51:12	teraflops	oh fish, no idea
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2021-11-08 11:52:08	mrkiko	andyrtr: hi! Out of curiosity, any chance we could include the rfcomm tool, and maybe other "deprecated" tools in the bluez-utils package?
2021-11-08 11:52:33	teraflops	oh I think my message was for arseru 
2021-11-08 11:52:40	teraflops	sorry for the confusion
2021-11-08 11:52:50	mrkiko	andyrtr: I know they are, as said, deprecated... but actually bluetoothctl misses the functionalities needed sometimes, like in the case of rfcomm
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2021-11-08 11:53:52	arseru	teraflops: you mean the message about there being an order?
2021-11-08 11:54:01	teraflops	yep
2021-11-08 11:54:23	mrkiko	andyrtr: I know about the existence of related AUR packages, but having to swap the entirte bluez stack with an older version only to get back some tools doesn't seem a good solution... sorry if I am missing something
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2021-11-08 11:55:08	arseru	teraflops: yes, thing is I've been having xfce4-terminal and urxvt installed for 3 years at least, and up until recently `bindsym $mod+Return exec i3-sensible-terminal` was launching urxvt, and I had no idea why it was launching xfce4-terminal now. Now I know :)
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2021-11-08 11:55:51	teraflops	I do i3 and I never made use of i3 sensible terminal
2021-11-08 11:56:06	teraflops	I mean, you can live w/o it
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2021-11-08 12:04:43	Foxboron	mrkiko: you'll have more luck doing bugreports. Writing stuff on IRC gets lost
2021-11-08 12:05:18	mrkiko	Foxboron: right, thanks
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2021-11-08 12:07:36	teraflops	mrkiko: there is rctest in bluez5
2021-11-08 12:09:46	teraflops	also /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf can be created for dealing with it
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2021-11-08 12:19:59	arseru	So, I finally found the quick fix to my `nemo` and other GTK apps timeout error: uninstall `flatpak` (I installed it to run Steam) and that will uninstall xdg-desktop-portal* packages https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/issues/570 . Now all gtk apps fire up instantly again :D
2021-11-08 12:20:45	ℹ 	o es conocido ahora como niko
2021-11-08 12:20:48	arseru	that was my initial debug report, if somebody wants to take a look https://bpa.st/FKLA I'll just live without flatpak for now
2021-11-08 12:20:49	phrik	Title: View paste FKLA (at bpa.st)
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2021-11-08 12:25:46	susi	could you tell me where's this 'Wired connection 1' configuration supposed to live?
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2021-11-08 12:26:00	teraflops	!context
2021-11-08 12:26:00	phrik	Most quotes aren't funny with it
2021-11-08 12:26:23	teraflops	are you talking about NM?
2021-11-08 12:26:28	susi	teraflops: nmcli tries to auto-connect to 'Wired connection 1' through some 'policy', but i dont' have such connection
2021-11-08 12:26:41	susi	it's some auto-created but its configs do not live under /system-connections/
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2021-11-08 14:55:51	n00b101	i use pulseaudio
2021-11-08 14:56:22	n00b101	SysGhost: wdym?
2021-11-08 14:56:36	SysGhost	that sample audio.
2021-11-08 14:57:02	SysGhost	all I hear is someone speaking. What am I supposed to listen for? background noise?
2021-11-08 14:57:31	Namarrgon	sounds the same to me, too. are you sure you applied the filters to that track?
2021-11-08 14:57:31	n00b101	listen to 9th second. its the normal sound without filters
2021-11-08 14:57:40	n00b101	use headset
2021-11-08 14:58:15	SysGhost	I am using a headset. 
2021-11-08 15:05:40	n00b101	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/lwF4WiYD/audio.mkv
2021-11-08 15:06:01	n00b101	please listen this and tell me the audio recording qualiity
2021-11-08 15:06:24	n00b101	cant you hear a static bg sound while talking?
2021-11-08 15:10:07	Gagis	can't hear any noise on my end, using headphones
2021-11-08 15:10:14	Gagis	might be lost in compression
2021-11-08 15:24:06	docmax	i get wall messages on login console. how can i change the time from linux to regular date? and how can i disable it completly?
2021-11-08 15:24:52	grawity	from "linux time" sounds like you're getting kernel logs, so 1) you cannot, 2) dmesg --console-level, although normally only warnings show up on console anyway
2021-11-08 15:25:30	grawity	the regular Arch kernel defaults to loglevel=3 which is errors
2021-11-08 15:25:33	grawity	not even warnings
2021-11-08 15:25:52	docmax	yes i want none of them
2021-11-08 15:26:05	grawity	fix your computer so that it doesn't cause them to be shown lol
2021-11-08 15:26:06	docmax	and the time cannot be changed?
2021-11-08 15:26:13	grawity	no
2021-11-08 15:26:24	grawity	you can get human-readable timestamps when reading the same logs via dmesg or journalctl
2021-11-08 15:26:29	grawity	as in, `dmesg -e` or `journalctl -k`
2021-11-08 15:26:35	docmax	yes i know
2021-11-08 15:26:40	grawity	but not when the kernel is directly outputting the messages to console
2021-11-08 15:26:48	docmax	but i want it on the wall messages
2021-11-08 15:27:18	grawity	and I want a pony
2021-11-08 15:27:29	grawity	also didn't you just say you don't want the messages to show up at all
2021-11-08 15:27:50	grawity	if you disable all of them, does it really matter what timestamps they have
2021-11-08 15:28:30	grawity	anyway, the default Arch console loglevel is 3 (ERR), you can lower it to 2 (CRIT) or 1 (ALERT) or 0 (EMERG) to hide errors
2021-11-08 15:28:42	grawity	either via the kernel boot option or using dmesg's --console-level
2021-11-08 15:28:55	docmax	grawity, just in case i cant disable them, at least i want human readable time
2021-11-08 15:29:48	grawity	tbh the kernel's timestamps are useless if this is a machine that suspends/resumes
2021-11-08 15:29:56	grawity	so in a sense you're better off with no timestamps than human-readable ones
2021-11-08 15:30:09	grawity	it's easier to disable the whole messages than to get good timestamps
2021-11-08 15:30:31	grawity	actually the one way you *can* get useful timestamps is by having e.g. syslogd or journald gather the messages from dmesg and forward to console
2021-11-08 15:30:50	grawity	so take a look at ForwardToWall= and ForwardToConsole= in journald.conf
2021-11-08 15:30:54	docmax	dmesg --console-level has alert, crit, debug, ... but no off?
2021-11-08 15:31:02	grawity	that's "emerg"
2021-11-08 15:31:21	docmax	i set ForwardToWall=off allready
2021-11-08 15:31:26	grawity	because if the kernel actually writes a message at KERN_EMERG, at that point you're probably looking at a kernel panic or something anyway
2021-11-08 15:32:13	docmax	ok
2021-11-08 15:32:55	grawity	basically in normal operation you won't really *get* messages at emerg/alert (or probably even crit) levels, so for most intents and purposes those are the "off" options
2021-11-08 15:47:19	susi	hmm, I got i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] *ERROR* Atomic update failure on pipe A (start=130552 end=130553) time 244 us, min 1073, max 1079, scanline start 1065, end 1082
2021-11-08 15:47:30	susi	after resuming from suspend, but no crash... first time getting this
2021-11-08 15:48:22	NetSysFire	this usually means something froze because its your gpu driver
2021-11-08 16:15:43	mingdao	If anyone has some expertise with present cell phone models, and time to look over a list of choices I have available from my employer and give me some advice, I would appreciate a PM.
2021-11-08 16:16:30	Namarrgon	mingdao: #archlinux-offtopic
2021-11-08 16:16:58	mingdao	xiexie
2021-11-08 16:20:09	dD__	I have a patch for xserver called xorg-server-bug865 that i installed from AUR. I am upgrading and I get a message saying: xf86-video-vesa and xorg-server-bug865 are in conflict (xorg-server). Remove xorg-server-bug865?  What would be the correct process for this upgrade without removing my patch?
2021-11-08 16:20:40	Scimmia	Why in the world do you have the vesa ddx installed?
2021-11-08 16:22:58	dD__	Scimmia: that's a creat question, and I don't know the answer to it.  I imagine that I installed it a long time ago when I was having some driver problems.  It would probably be safe to uninstall it? 
2021-11-08 16:23:06	dD__	I have no memory of installing it now that you mention it 
2021-11-08 16:23:07	Scimmia	yes
2021-11-08 16:25:15	dD__	thanks :/ 
2021-11-08 16:30:01	antonilol	hi
2021-11-08 16:41:19	SysGhost	when pacman gives a n F-ton of "gpg: error retrieving '...' via WKD: No data". Ther was a simple solution. I don't remember what it was. Clues anyone?
2021-11-08 16:41:49	SysGhost	pacman-key*
2021-11-08 16:43:51	antonilol	regenrate pacman keyring, right?
2021-11-08 16:44:53	antonilol	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=191279
2021-11-08 16:44:54	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Pacman refuses to upgrade due to missing key / Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-11-08 16:45:12	SysGhost	I tried that. No effect.
2021-11-08 16:45:17	antonilol	:(
2021-11-08 16:45:40	antonilol	pacman-key --refresh-keys
2021-11-08 16:45:47	SysGhost	That is what fails
2021-11-08 16:45:49	antonilol	can take 10 mins or so
2021-11-08 16:46:15	SysGhost	As said. it's that commadn that keeps on failing
2021-11-08 16:46:35	antonilol	is your pacman up to date?
2021-11-08 16:46:48	SysGhost	it is. just a few days old
2021-11-08 16:47:19	moviuro	Hi all, I'm trying to get mpd to play music via pipewire. So far no luck. (mdp.conf: https://x0.at/s7_y.txt) Firefox and mpv do use whatever, and sound is coming out of my speakers
2021-11-08 16:47:30	antonilol	refresh keys gives 'gpg: error reading key: No data' but also a lot of non-errors
2021-11-08 16:48:01	SysGhost	antonilol: I remember there was a simple solution as it was a well known problem. But... I don't remember what the solution was.
2021-11-08 16:48:12	antonilol	oh
2021-11-08 16:48:14	SysGhost	I had it a few times before.
2021-11-08 16:48:33	Khorne	moviuro, which user does mpd run as?
2021-11-08 16:49:12	moviuro	Khorne: as moviuro
2021-11-08 16:49:36	moviuro	I ran the mpd(1) command in a shell session
2021-11-08 16:50:48	moviuro	SysGhost: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Syu
2021-11-08 16:51:09	antonilol	moviuro: his system was up to date
2021-11-08 16:51:13	Khorne	Mh, you could do pipewire-pulse and use the pulse output for funsies
2021-11-08 16:51:32	moviuro	the main idea was to remove one or the other pulse/ppipe
2021-11-08 16:51:38	moviuro	mpd now depends on pipe
2021-11-08 16:52:42	moviuro	BTW it really sucks to have your sound system break for unknown reasons upon reboot because now mpd depends on something else, and pulse didn't start because it couldn't correctly lock to an address/socket/port
2021-11-08 16:53:19	Khorne	https://github.com/MusicPlayerDaemon/MPD/issues/1288 no solution unfortunately
2021-11-08 16:54:25	antonilol	SysGhost: maybe this helps https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=269539
2021-11-08 16:54:27	phrik	Title: [Solved] Problem refreshing pgp keys / Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-11-08 16:54:46	SysGhost	moviuro: Ah Rigth ... almost there. One also have to eirther reboot, or kill the old dirmngr process after that one. Otherwise pacman-key still get stuck on the WKD: No data
2021-11-08 16:57:04	SysGhost	No... wait... pacman-key still get sluggishly slow on "gpg: error retrieving '<key owner email>' via WKD: Connection timed out"
2021-11-08 16:57:24	Edu4rd	SysGhost, have you tried changing --keyserver ?
2021-11-08 16:57:31	antonilol	SysGhost: maybe this https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Cannot_import_keys
2021-11-08 16:57:32	phrik	Title: pacman/Package signing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-08 16:57:33	SysGhost	Tried that already
2021-11-08 16:58:36	SysGhost	I have a vague memory of diabling WKD for pacman-key, but don't remember how. There's little to no information about it.
2021-11-08 17:00:14	antonilol	maybe the fix is in your .bash_history but it only stores 500 most recent commands
2021-11-08 17:01:32	antonilol	maybe try Resetting all the keys[edit]
2021-11-08 17:01:33	antonilol	Remove or reset all the keys installed in your system by removing the /etc/pacman.d/gnupg folder (as root) and by rerunning pacman-key --init followed by pacman-key --populate archlinux to re-add the default keys.
2021-11-08 17:01:39	antonilol	(from the wiki_
2021-11-08 17:01:40	antonilol	)
2021-11-08 17:03:02	orangeFlu	does anybody know by any chance how to make kde notifications appear on i3?
2021-11-08 17:03:20	orangeFlu	i installed kdeconnect and i really wish notifications would work
2021-11-08 17:04:50	SysGhost	antonilol: the reset does not help. Still get all the WKD: No data. Now I'm also getting a lot of  "... via WKD: Network error" too
2021-11-08 17:05:05	SysGhost	with several different keyservers
2021-11-08 17:05:29	SysGhost	I guess it's one of those all keyservers jsut went borky again. Maybe wait a week and try again I guess
2021-11-08 17:06:48	SysGhost	But I do remember somewhere to disable WKD altogether and that fixed everything last time I hit this.
2021-11-08 17:12:04	kelnoky	I am trying to remove anything haskell (I am using stack now), however pacman doesn't cooperate: https://paste.rs/hiO
2021-11-08 17:13:14	Khorne	kelnoky, c
2021-11-08 17:13:27	Khorne	-c but carefully read what its removing 
2021-11-08 17:13:36	kelnoky	hm, ok
2021-11-08 17:14:44	kelnoky	it is all haskell stuff, surely nothing haskell-* is needed for anything as long as I don't work with haskell and Xmonad is done via stack, right?
2021-11-08 17:14:58	Khorne	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2021-11-08 17:15:08	kelnoky	heh, alright, thanks!
2021-11-08 17:16:29	kelnoky	wait, I removed everything now and pacman -Syu still wants to upgrade a whole bunch of haskell packages, what? explicitly ones that I removed just now
2021-11-08 17:16:45	Khorne	kelnoky, it's just cascading, ie removing dependencies of your packages selected to be removed
2021-11-08 17:16:58	agregory	kelnoky: seems unlikely
2021-11-08 17:17:01	Khorne	A depends on B, pacman -Rsc A also removes B
2021-11-08 17:20:11	kelnoky	Khorne, yeah but I selected anything with haskell in it
2021-11-08 17:20:13	kelnoky	https://bpa.st/K3PA
2021-11-08 17:20:15	phrik	Title: View paste K3PA (at bpa.st)
2021-11-08 17:20:19	kelnoky	this is bizarre to me
2021-11-08 17:20:54	Khorne	What is up an alias for?
2021-11-08 17:21:25	kelnoky	ah, wait, I think -Qeq didn't do what I thought
2021-11-08 17:21:33	kelnoky	Khorne, just for pacman -Syu
2021-11-08 17:23:25	kelnoky	ok, why does pacman -Syu want to reinstall all the haskell packages, something must depend on them still
2021-11-08 17:24:08	Khorne	Well pacman -Qi <package> | grep Required shows that
2021-11-08 17:26:00	moviuro	I removed the output definition in mpd.conf and now it just works™️; it's like magic, when everything falls in order with no correct explanation
2021-11-08 17:26:17	Khorne	moviuro, weird
2021-11-08 17:26:26	agregory	kelnoky: because you still have haskell stuff installed
2021-11-08 17:26:32	susi	I have "-:ALL EXCEPT (wheel) lightdm:LOCAL" in my /etc/security/access.conf, but it does not allow my user (belongs to group wheel) to log in locally,
2021-11-08 17:26:46	moviuro	I'm not *that* surprised. Sound has always been a horrible subject on Linux
2021-11-08 17:26:55	susi	what's wrong with the line, it should deny all but local logins from wheel members and user lightdm
2021-11-08 17:27:06	kelnoky	agregory: how do I find out what? "pacman -Q | grep haskell" comes up empty
2021-11-08 17:27:25	agregory	-Qs haskell would be a good start
2021-11-08 17:27:40	kelnoky	comes up empty as well
2021-11-08 17:27:40	Khorne	kelnoky, other things might depend on those, like stack
2021-11-08 17:27:55	kelnoky	stack doesn't need anything haskell
2021-11-08 17:28:01	Khorne	https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/stack/
2021-11-08 17:28:03	Khorne	It does though
2021-11-08 17:28:06	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - stack 2.7.3-61 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2021-11-08 17:28:25	agregory	it's the haskell tool stack...
2021-11-08 17:28:30	agregory	it needs all the haskell
2021-11-08 17:28:50	kelnoky	I stand corrected
2021-11-08 17:28:59	kelnoky	pacman -Qi stack didn't show it
2021-11-08 17:32:06	kill	hello, how do I enable freesync
2021-11-08 17:33:45	kill	gnome wont start after this https://pastebin.com/QEGvRDic
2021-11-08 17:33:46	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-54F.txt
2021-11-08 17:33:47	phrik	Title: Section "Device" Identifier "AMD" Driver "amdgpu" # 8-bit or 10-bit col - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-11-08 17:44:32	Mion	kill: post logs
2021-11-08 17:46:07	susi	my login shell is zsh, yet ~/.profile gets sourced/executed when I log into i3 through lightdm.. confusing
2021-11-08 17:46:28	susi	while its executed TERM=dumb
2021-11-08 17:46:47	Khorne	Seems perfectly normal
2021-11-08 17:46:48	susi	just can't find why/where it gets done
2021-11-08 17:47:01	Mion	susi: your wm/de does not care about your shell
2021-11-08 17:47:42	susi	but if I log in another VT, it doesn't get executed
2021-11-08 17:48:16	susi	(w/o starting X/lightdm/i3)
2021-11-08 17:48:24	susi	I'm so confused :/
2021-11-08 17:49:20	Mion	lightdm, for some strange reason, executes .profile
2021-11-08 17:50:16	Mion	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/LightDM#Environment_variables
2021-11-08 17:50:18	phrik	Title: LightDM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-08 17:50:41	Mion	also, are you setting TERM in .profile or similar?
2021-11-08 17:51:49	susi	nope
2021-11-08 17:53:51	susi	ah, the default /etc/lightdm/Xsession ('the wrapper script') does it
2021-11-08 17:55:18	⚡ 	Mion is not a fan of lightdm
2021-11-08 17:55:27	Mion	they need to get support for running it rootless already
2021-11-08 17:55:30	Khorne	Login managers are bloat
2021-11-08 17:55:41	Mion	also fix all the broken greeters
2021-11-08 17:55:51	Mion	sidenote
2021-11-08 17:56:08	Mion	"light"dm, uses chrome for drawing the login screen
2021-11-08 17:56:11	Mion	:p
2021-11-08 18:02:04	susi	wish there was something between console login and lightdm
2021-11-08 18:02:14	Khorne	why?
2021-11-08 18:02:24	Khorne	Login over the console, autostart an X/Wayland session
2021-11-08 18:02:25	susi	because I don't like either
2021-11-08 18:02:47	Khorne	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/display_manager#List_of_display_managers
2021-11-08 18:02:48	phrik	Title: Display manager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-08 18:03:05	Khorne	Don't see the point really, in my case my machine is effectively single (real) user
2021-11-08 18:03:19	Khorne	so why bother with entering my user password in the first place
2021-11-08 18:03:32	Khorne	autologin to the tty, autostart window manager
2021-11-08 18:03:41	susi	because someone may snatch your laptop or otherwise gain unauthorised access?
2021-11-08 18:03:51	Khorne	Thats what I have my disk encryption password for
2021-11-08 18:04:36	susi	yeah, your rite
2021-11-08 18:04:45	susi	but lightdm allows guest logins! 
2021-11-08 18:04:50	Khorne	Great :D
2021-11-08 18:12:57	sensille	 /join #openzfs
2021-11-08 18:13:05	sensille	sorry
2021-11-08 18:13:35	freexploit	has someone tried btrfs or zfs with root ?
2021-11-08 18:13:44	freexploit	I mean setting up snapshots on grup
2021-11-08 18:13:46	freexploit	grub
2021-11-08 18:13:48	freexploit	?
2021-11-08 18:14:03	Mion	lots of people have
2021-11-08 18:14:18	Mion	and its documented in the wiki
2021-11-08 18:14:52	freexploit	I have check the btrfs wiki
2021-11-08 18:14:59	gehidore	-_-
2021-11-08 18:15:05	gehidore	theonlywikithatexists
2021-11-08 18:15:41	freexploit	sorry just found it xD
2021-11-08 18:15:43	freexploit	thanks
2021-11-08 18:21:50	jirido	Hi. I try to use netbrake with pacman but even if I set it to 1000000 or even to 10000000 that should translate to around 1Mb respectivly 10Mb it only load around 100Kb, Is there some extra trick to it? Some spacing between the zeros or something alike..
2021-11-08 18:23:12	Mion	and if you don't use it?
2021-11-08 18:24:33	jirido	Mion: full speed so much that I can't look at my streams
2021-11-08 18:25:03	jirido	Mion: like 3-4Mb
2021-11-08 18:26:54	⚡ 	Mion would consider trying something more mainstream
2021-11-08 18:27:23	Mion	that has docs and were updated less than a decade ago
2021-11-08 18:28:50	Mion	tc/trickle are common ways to limit bw
2021-11-08 18:32:45	jirido	Ok I try that, Thanks
2021-11-08 18:33:42	low-key	how can one uninstall/undo something like prezto or oh-my-zsh? i want to try setting zsh up from scratch myself
2021-11-08 18:35:26	Mion	man rm
2021-11-08 18:35:52	Mion	or delete the appropiate lines from your .zshrc
2021-11-08 18:43:35	Phunyun	Any opinions on using bootd (from systemd) or any other boot managers over GRUB?
2021-11-08 18:44:14	NetSysFire	systemd-boot is great and simple
2021-11-08 18:44:32	NetSysFire	it works for most people, too. unless you want super fancy themes, go with it
2021-11-08 18:44:42	NetSysFire	you dont see your bootloader much anyways
2021-11-08 18:44:57	mingdao	So is syslinux.
2021-11-08 18:45:03	Phunyun	I don't have a reason to not use GRUB, mostly just curious about the others given all I've ever seen is GRUB be auto-installed with every other distro.
2021-11-08 18:45:19	NetSysFire	create a vm and try them out for yourself
2021-11-08 18:45:28	NetSysFire	mingdao: it doesnt support efi though
2021-11-08 18:47:40	susi	what might cause that when lightdm starts, it 'flashes'
2021-11-08 18:47:56	susi	for one time 
2021-11-08 18:48:07	Mion	syslinux do support uefi, it just sucks really bad at it
2021-11-08 18:48:33	NetSysFire	thats worse than not supporting it at all
2021-11-08 18:48:36	Mion	susi: mode changing, broken greeter, gfx driver issue, a thousand other things
2021-11-08 18:48:37	NetSysFire	susi: check your logs
2021-11-08 18:48:40	NetSysFire	yeah
2021-11-08 19:00:42	susi	different problem: "pulseaudio[32176]: Error opening PCM device front:0: No such file or directory"
2021-11-08 19:00:47	susi	this is something new in the logs :o
2021-11-08 19:01:37	susi	I guess the lightdm flashy problem was my access.conf 
2021-11-08 19:01:46	susi	(or is)
2021-11-08 19:12:17	mingdao	NetSysFire: It does.  Rather than write the syslinux.mbr payload, there's an .efi file that's provided.
2021-11-08 19:12:26	mingdao	NetSysFire: Along with all the usual .c32 files. You just have to use the files that are under efi64/.
2021-11-08 19:13:21	mingdao	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Syslinux#UEFI_Systems
2021-11-08 19:13:22	phrik	Title: Syslinux - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-08 19:16:51	dD__	Hi, I have a patch for xorg from aur called xorg-xserver-bug865.  I tried upgrading and I get a conflict: libxcvt: /usr/share/man/man1/cvt.1.gz exists in filesystem (owned by xorg-server-bug865), what would be the correct way to upgrade this? 
2021-11-08 19:18:01	Namarrgon	dD__: don't install that file
2021-11-08 19:18:26	dD__	Namarrgon: libxcvt?
2021-11-08 19:18:38	Namarrgon	all the cvt files that conflict
2021-11-08 19:25:51	FieryMewtwo	Is this channel in English? I accidentally joined #archlinux-de and for a second thought everyone was speaking in code
2021-11-08 19:27:04	susi	ja
2021-11-08 19:27:28	Mion	FieryMewtwo: KRANKENWAGEN
2021-11-08 19:27:58	NetSysFire	netzwerkschnittstellenkonfigurationsverwaltungsoberfläche
2021-11-08 19:28:11	mingdao	FieryMewtwo: 很好!
2021-11-08 19:31:57	hejux_0	i love arch 
2021-11-08 19:33:28	coruja	!as
2021-11-08 19:33:29	phrik	Arch Sucks™
2021-11-08 19:33:39	hejux_0	!ar
2021-11-08 19:33:39	phrik	Arch Rocks™
2021-11-08 19:33:49	coruja	!ass
2021-11-08 19:33:50	phrik	Arch *Strategically* Sucks™
2021-11-08 19:36:55	Velvet	heh
2021-11-08 19:37:13	heythere221	Hello:)  I have a question regarding the alsias function in the .basrc file, If I alias something like this: alias pacman='pacman --color=auto' and type 'pacman -Ss packagename' pacman searches for this package and outputs the result in color but as soon as I typoe a sudo infront of pacman the color output is gone because theres no alias for sudo... How do I alias a command that works with and
2021-11-08 19:37:15	heythere221	without sudo infront? 
2021-11-08 19:37:38	heythere221	btw I know wpacman has a color output option in pacman.conf but just asking how to achieve that with aliases.
2021-11-08 19:41:00	Mion	tl;dr version: you don't
2021-11-08 19:41:19	dD__	Namarrgon: but it's an upgrade for new files.  Is it possible to not upgrade some files while running an upgrade? 
2021-11-08 19:41:39	Mion	long version; wrap sudo in an alias or fucntion
2021-11-08 19:43:04	Namarrgon	dD__: you're using an outdated PKGBUILD, libxcvt was split out into a separate package recently
2021-11-08 19:46:31	heythere221	Mion: You mean if else condition?
2021-11-08 19:47:25	Mion	heythere221: there are a few ugly hacks like wrapping sudo in a function that will expand any alias give as an argument or similar
2021-11-08 19:48:45	heythere221	Mion: Okay Thanks! Ugly hacks not what I want to experiment with right now:D I just thought theres an easy quick way I was missing. Thank you for your explanation!:)
2021-11-08 19:55:46	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-11-08 20:06:27	susi	shouldn't -:ALL EXCEPT (wheel) lightdm:LOCAL be oungh for basic lightdm setup on single-user system
2021-11-08 20:06:31	susi	in access.conf
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2021-11-08 20:36:34	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2021-11-08 20:36:36	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-11-08 20:36:58	sensille	how can i use luks from a live image? "Cannot initialize device-mapper. Is dm_mod kernel module loaded?"
2021-11-08 20:38:11	NetSysFire	what did you try? the exact command please
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2021-11-08 20:39:29	sensille	cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/nvme0n1p2 luks1
2021-11-08 20:40:28	Edu4rd	sensille, did you updated the live ISO (including the kernel) before the operation?
2021-11-08 20:40:43	Nitrousoxide	How can I modify the releng profile to ensure that the archiso (attempts) to obtain a specific static ip ?
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2021-11-08 20:42:19	sensille	Edu4rd: i think so ... let me do that again
2021-11-08 20:42:32	Edu4rd	sensille, no. If you are doing it then that's the problem
2021-11-08 20:42:45	guzzlefry	Is running Arch in a VM on a Win10 laptop a bad idea with all of the power saving stuff that's inherent with a laptop?
2021-11-08 20:42:58	Edu4rd	Or, if you plan to do it then load the kernel module before the update
2021-11-08 20:43:04	mefistofeles	guzzlefry: depends on what you actually want to do with it
2021-11-08 20:43:05	Nitrousoxide	guzzlefry: Depends what you plan to do with the VM
2021-11-08 20:43:09	Nitrousoxide	Haha
2021-11-08 20:43:13	⚡ 	mefistofeles high fives Nitrousoxide 
2021-11-08 20:43:14	sensille	oh. i installed zfs-dkms and zfs-linux. that might be the problem
2021-11-08 20:43:23	sensille	ok, so start over, luksOpen first
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2021-11-08 20:43:44	Edu4rd	Yep
2021-11-08 20:44:00	guzzlefry	Right now I do all of my development work on Linux. So desktop environment, docker, and some IDEs.
2021-11-08 20:44:24	Nitrousoxide	Have you considered dual booting instead?
2021-11-08 20:44:32	mefistofeles	guzzlefry: that should work, but do expect a performance detriment
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2021-11-08 20:44:53	guzzlefry	I don't want to go through the hassle of dual booting. It took me several days just to download updates for Win10. Slow conneciton. :/
2021-11-08 20:45:05	guzzlefry	mefistofeles: It should be minimal with VT-x, though?
2021-11-08 20:45:34	mefistofeles	minimal? Maybe, noticeable? Probably
2021-11-08 20:45:54	mefistofeles	it would drive me insane, specially for IDEs, I guess :P
2021-11-08 20:45:55	guzzlefry	Going from an i5-6260U to a Ryzen 7 5800H. So it's probably moot anyway.
2021-11-08 20:46:29	mefistofeles	guzzlefry: but I guess you just try it and see
2021-11-08 20:47:01	krin	guzzlefry: ... depends on a lot of things. Generally speaking, I've had horrid experiences with modern DE's and VirtualBox's crusty video drivers. :-/
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2021-11-08 20:47:52	guzzlefry	Another option is running Docker Desktop directly on Windows. But I feel like I'm going to hit some road bumps with that.
2021-11-08 20:48:14	krin	With WSL2 it isn't...*horrible*
2021-11-08 20:49:12	krin	(Docker Desktop that is. Running arch under WSL2 is unsupported and you're very much on your own there. Last I heard, something something systemd issues.)
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2021-11-08 20:50:49	krin	The end of my attempts at what you're trying to do was: It was easier to figure out dual boot + secureboot.
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2021-11-08 20:51:22	guzzlefry	What issues did you have with the VM route?
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2021-11-08 20:52:19	krin	Graphical DE's were painfully laggy on my setup and I didn't want to pay for something better than VirtualBox. :-)
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2021-11-08 20:53:03	krin	i3 was even difficult to use. Again YMMV but I have a pretty beefy desktop. :shrug:
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2021-11-08 20:53:25	guzzlefry	Wonder if Hyper-V is any better. >_>
2021-11-08 20:53:27	susi	what does beefy descirbe?
2021-11-08 20:53:34	susi	I don't know the term
2021-11-08 20:53:46	rcf	Hyper-V is bad for GUI stuff by default 
2021-11-08 20:54:01	rcf	guzzlefry: WSL2 with upcoming native wayland support will be nice 
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2021-11-08 20:54:25	rcf	susi: high powered 
2021-11-08 20:54:26	krin	GTX3080, Ryzen 5900X
2021-11-08 20:54:44	susi	rcf: meaning bloated?
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2021-11-08 20:54:56	rcf	susi: indeed. 
2021-11-08 20:55:20	krin	When I was digging into it (it's been a min) apparently VBox only implements OpenGL 2.0 in it's guest additions?
2021-11-08 20:55:28	rcf	susi: If it is beefy it can usually handle bloat, being powerful
2021-11-08 20:55:36	guzzlefry	My guess is that VMWare [something] is the good one?
2021-11-08 20:55:48	krin	From what I was reading, yes.
2021-11-08 20:56:17	umaxtu	I usually use KVM so I don't have to deal with signing kernel modules
2021-11-08 20:56:29	umaxtu	except you can't use vmware and wsl2 at the same time
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2021-11-08 20:59:32	krin	Also VMWare doesn't work if you're using that Virtualization Memory Protection thing Windows 10 has (and Windows 11 will use by default) becuase it boots Win10 as a privledged guest under HyperV regardless of WSL2 usage.
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2021-11-08 21:05:56	mikebutash	I've usually run ubuntu servers atop windoze hardware say when an enterprise customer throws me a windoze laptop to use, but any sort of DE has been a disaster for me.
2021-11-08 21:06:19	mikebutash	I stopped trying that years ago.
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2021-11-08 21:07:10	mikebutash	windoze tends to run great a vm atop linux though, usually where I keep it.
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2021-11-08 21:08:11	marcello42	hey guys, Kde plasma has the option to adjust the screentemperature accordingly to the sun (also like elemntary os and macos).. anyone has an idea how to get this on other platforms i.e. into a tyling WM?
2021-11-08 21:08:12	mikebutash	my visio and project guest bitch
2021-11-08 21:08:40	avapxia	marcello42: look at redshift
2021-11-08 21:09:04	marcello42	avapxia, thanks I will
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2021-11-08 21:11:28	ℹ 	frojnd1 es conocido ahora como frojnd
2021-11-08 21:11:43	marcello42	avapxia, looks exactly what I was looking fore!
2021-11-08 21:12:06	avapxia	marcello42: :)
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2021-11-08 21:19:15	SmarmyWalrus	So I have a relatively fresh install of Arch. It was made with ArchInstall, but I don't believe it should be relevant. I have installed and changed my shell to ZSH. I am attempting to add content to /etc/zshenv, /etc/zshrc, etc. as described in the man page for ZSH. I put in debugs (just basic echo'd text) to try and figure out which were actually being source upon launching an interactive shell
2021-11-08 21:19:16	SmarmyWalrus	(as well as a second TTY). However, 
2021-11-08 21:19:16	SmarmyWalrus	nothing except my local .zshrc in my home dir is being source. Manually sourcing the files when already in the shell does work. Does anyone have any insight why these files aren't being loaded? I am trying to use the ZSH specific ones rather than the generic /etc/profile.d files since I'm using them to source in files that are zsh only 
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2021-11-08 21:21:44	armin	SmarmyWalrus: well i can tell you that it's obviously normal, when i put "echo 1" into /etc/zshrc and start a new terminal, i see no effect whatsoever, even when renaming ~/.zshrc - i can't say why, but i configure zsh with the .zshrc file in my home anyways...
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2021-11-08 21:27:06	llua	arch builds zsh with the global rc files in /etc/zsh/
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2021-11-08 21:28:06	armin	llua: the man-page states zsh would read /etc/zshrc tho
2021-11-08 21:28:30	ℹ 	Papa_ es conocido ahora como papa
2021-11-08 21:28:47	llua	which is what happens when one doesn't compile zsh to do otherwise
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2021-11-08 21:29:21	Poirot12345T	Greetings from Czech Republic! I have one problem with installing Arch Linux - using HP ProBook4730s (Intel i5-2430M, 4 GB RAM), I have troubles with GUI - when trying to start up the interface, computer freezes and refuses to interact in any mean. Using only terminal works fine, no problem. I think it may be some problem with graphic card, but I'm
2021-11-08 21:29:22	Poirot12345T	not sure; tried to install drivers for graphic card (Radeon HD 6400/7400 Series or Intel Integrated Graphics), nothing changed. Is there anyone who knows what to do with that?
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2021-11-08 21:35:18	SmarmyWalrus	llua moving them into it fixed it! Thanks for the tip!
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2021-11-08 21:36:47	SmarmyWalrus	armin, the reason I'm doing it is I want to add the same functionality from the sourced plugins for all users of the pc; I'm installing them via pacman so they're already in a system-wide accessible location
2021-11-08 21:37:02	SmarmyWalrus	but yeah normally I would just shove them into my .zshrc and call it a day
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2021-11-08 21:38:50	jiriks74	<Poirot12345T> I'll just add some info to the problem. When anything related to x11 loads (sddm, startx, any other gui using it), the system hangs
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2021-11-08 21:39:12	jiriks74	We are not able to get into tty and get logs or service info (sddm)
2021-11-08 21:39:32	Zambzuga	I just upgraded my system and started getting this error NVRM: The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 GPU installed in this system is supported through the NVIDIA 470.xx Legacy drivers. Please visit http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html for more information.  The 495.44 NVIDIA driver will ignore this GPU.  Continuing probe..."
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2021-11-08 21:39:52	Zambzuga	Had to uninstall the nvidia drivers with pacman and install the aur package nvidia-390xx.
2021-11-08 21:40:11	Zambzuga	But that driver is a really old one is there anyway to solve this?
2021-11-08 21:40:14	jiriks74	If the sddm service is disabled, tty console works without any problems
2021-11-08 21:40:19	jonathon	470xx is also in the AUR
2021-11-08 21:41:02	Zambzuga	jonathon thanks i'll try that one!
2021-11-08 21:41:12	jiriks74	Please any idea with this? The laptop is dual gpu (intel integrated + ryzen)
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2021-11-08 21:41:30	jiriks74	Booting other os also hangs the laptop
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2021-11-08 21:42:09	jiriks74	Is there any way we can recover some logs or some info about what fails or hangs the system?
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2021-11-08 21:42:46	jiriks74	Kernel panics or something? I have personally never dealt with them (how can I see the kernel panic output?)
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2021-11-08 21:45:09	teraflops	lol https://gist.githubusercontent.com/prietus/a70f027143f59c7cca9ccf4a2b1648c6/raw/dbabcb78e74adab882090c56cbdaf857f6a6d042/nUjX.png
2021-11-08 21:45:20	teraflops	it works it seems
2021-11-08 21:45:23	teraflops	lmao
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2021-11-08 21:47:56	jonathon	jiriks74: when you say "booting other os", what do you mean? have you also tried booting an installer image (whether Arch or a more... fuller-featured live installation environment)? If no OS will boot then it sounds more like a hardware issue?
2021-11-08 21:48:37	jiriks74	Well, we tried booting windows (hangs)
2021-11-08 21:48:47	jiriks74	But the arch installation loads without any problem
2021-11-08 21:48:54	jiriks74	The problem is when you start a gui
2021-11-08 21:48:54	hstefan	Hi! I'm confused about how to get Grub to work with an encrypted root volume. Essentially when I boot nothing happens and then grub times out waiting for the device to come up. Looking at the config file it seems like grub has the correct uuid as "root" in the kernel line, but still I get no prompt for the passphrase and eventually the init gives
2021-11-08 21:48:55	hstefan	up.
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2021-11-08 21:49:28	Namarrgon	hstefan: is /boot encrypted too?
2021-11-08 21:49:41	hstefan	Namarrgon nope
2021-11-08 21:50:02	jiriks74	You can either do startx or enable sddm and the system will hang one the gui is (partially) loaded <jonathon>
2021-11-08 21:50:08	Namarrgon	hstefan: then grub is not invovled in the decryption process
2021-11-08 21:50:29	Namarrgon	hstefan: do you get dropped to the initramfs shell?
2021-11-08 21:50:35	hstefan	yep
2021-11-08 21:50:44	Namarrgon	can you unlock and mount your /-fs from there?
2021-11-08 21:51:17	jonathon	jiriks74: it will be worth trying a live installer environment that includes a GUI (e.g. EndeavourOS) to check whether your GPU works; if Windows has an issue then it's unlikely to be a Linux-specific thing.
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2021-11-08 21:51:49	jiriks74	<jonathon> It does a bit, that's why I'd like to recover some logs either from xorg, kernel panic or sddm
2021-11-08 21:52:08	jonathon	ok, so if you can access a TTY then look at the logs?
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2021-11-08 23:06:16	SmarmyWalrus	simple yes no: is wayland still totally f'd up if I have an Nvidia card? Last time I tried moving my main pc to arch I found that performance was really iffy
2021-11-08 23:06:40	SmarmyWalrus	enjoying the VM I spun up so much I really want to go back to this as my daily driver
2021-11-08 23:09:00	rcf	SmarmyWalrus: there is no simple yes no, as wayland is fragmented by design. But it's better than it used to be, if nothing else. 
2021-11-08 23:09:01	poirot12345	NetSysFire, I'm just thinking about leaving and going to sleep, would you be online tomorrow? (the ISO is half-way downloaded and it says that it would fully download in like 13 mins or something, and I'm kinda tired, so...
2021-11-08 23:09:38	NetSysFire	i cant say for sure but this is irc so just remember what i said, test it and continue following the guide
2021-11-08 23:09:52	NetSysFire	others may be able to help you, too
2021-11-08 23:09:57	rcf	SmarmyWalrus: I suppose this does mean that the simple answer is 'yes, and it always will be' 
2021-11-08 23:10:09	poirot12345	NetSysFire ok, thank you :)
2021-11-08 23:13:58	hstefan	Namarrgon: everything is working now! thanks for all the tips. I had the wrong UUID.
2021-11-08 23:41:22	poirot12345	NetSysFire I've just tried to start up Ubuntu live ISO and it looks like it's working fine (it's checking disks right now, but it has graphical interface working)
2021-11-08 23:42:04	NetSysFire	tbh at this point it looks like a regression
2021-11-08 23:42:12	NetSysFire	what kernel is it using?
2021-11-08 23:42:27	poirot12345	how can I get the info? :D
2021-11-08 23:42:40	poirot12345	it's Ubuntu 20.04.3
2021-11-08 23:42:58	Mion	uname -r
2021-11-08 23:45:07	poirot12345	NetSysFire nope :D The mouse cursor showed and it froze again
2021-11-08 23:45:20	poirot12345	even using Ubuntu
2021-11-08 23:45:23	NetSysFire	ouch
2021-11-08 23:45:44	NetSysFire	make sure your bios is fully updated
2021-11-08 23:46:19	poirot12345	I may find the update on manufacturer's site, right?)
2021-11-08 23:47:22	Mion	hopefully
2021-11-08 23:48:09	Mion	note: will probably have to do trough the firmware settings again after updating
2021-11-08 23:48:20	poirot12345	https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-probook-4730s-notebook-pc/5060893 no updates available :(
2021-11-08 23:48:22	phrik	Title: HP ProBook 4730s Notebook PC Software and Driver Downloads | HP® Customer Support (at support.hp.com)
2021-11-08 23:56:30	jiriks74	Thx for help NetSysFire, I'm leaving for today (midnight here) Good night
2021-11-08 23:56:41	poirot12345	NetSysFire once more thank you for your help! Good night :)
2021-11-09 00:04:35	dD__	Namarrgon: the pkgbuild is 3 days old, but has a dependency on libxcvt: https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=xorg-server-bug865
2021-11-09 00:04:36	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-11-09 00:06:01	Namarrgon	dD__: it's out of date nevertheless. 
2021-11-09 00:06:14	Namarrgon	dD__: https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/master/xorg-server/repos/extra-x86_64/PKGBUILD#L187
2021-11-09 00:18:02	mefistofeles	latest nvidia/kernel upgrade apparently made my eGPU stopped working, it is a GTX TITAN so according to supported devices it should still be supported. Any ideas how would I debug this? It is shown in lspci, fwiw
2021-11-09 00:18:40	Mion	mefistofeles: need 470 driver
2021-11-09 00:18:57	mefistofeles	Mion: why is that?
2021-11-09 00:18:57	Mion	nvidia gone doofed up and not updated the supported cards list apparently
2021-11-09 00:19:17	mefistofeles	oh ffs!
2021-11-09 00:19:24	mefistofeles	Mion: ok, thanks
2021-11-09 00:19:24	Mion	check your xorg log
2021-11-09 00:19:52	topcat001	helps to have an -lts fallback for such cases
2021-11-09 00:19:58	Mion	though ymmv since there are about 8 different titan cards, all named titan
2021-11-09 00:20:02	Mion	topcat001: won't do anything
2021-11-09 00:20:24	topcat001	I was referring to mefistofeles' issue
2021-11-09 00:20:30	topcat001	oh
2021-11-09 00:20:33	Mion	topcat001: so was I
2021-11-09 00:20:47	Mion	topcat001: won't do anything because the nvidia driver is out of tree
2021-11-09 00:20:51	topcat001	right this is a version support issue
2021-11-09 00:20:57	topcat001	gotcha, thanks
2021-11-09 00:21:31	Mion	sidenote: the titan days were good times
2021-11-09 00:21:42	mefistofeles	topcat001: lts kernel doesn't support my wifi or bt
2021-11-09 00:21:42	Mion	we were making fun of people paying 800usd for a titan card
2021-11-09 00:21:54	⚡ 	Mion looks at 800usd nvidia 3060
2021-11-09 00:21:58	topcat001	I see
2021-11-09 00:22:03	mefistofeles	and yeah, it won't do much, as Mion said
2021-11-09 00:22:44	mefistofeles	Mion: hah
2021-11-09 00:23:43	mefistofeles	Mion: new GPUs are still impossible to get, right?
2021-11-09 00:23:58	Mion	no, but they are stupid expensive
2021-11-09 00:24:14	mefistofeles	well, that would be my employers problem, but we'll see
2021-11-09 00:32:23	halikular	Is there any way to add default home directories like the option -m does when running useradd. I've already created this user and I want all the home directories added.
2021-11-09 00:32:56	Mion	for loop
2021-11-09 00:37:55	Namarrgon	"all" the home directories?
2021-11-09 00:39:05	MacGyver	The copy of skel, I think.
2021-11-09 00:39:13	MacGyver	Which isn't much, usually?
2021-11-09 00:39:53	halikular	Namarrgon: You know the Downloads, Documents, Videos etc.
2021-11-09 00:40:44	Namarrgon	useradd doesn't create those
2021-11-09 00:40:56	Scimmia	halikular: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_user_directories
2021-11-09 00:40:57	phrik	Title: XDG user directories - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-09 00:44:06	halikular	Namarrgon: useradd -m does: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/users_and_groups#Example_adding_a_user
2021-11-09 00:44:08	phrik	Title: Users and groups - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-09 00:44:14	halikular	Anyway XDG works as well
2021-11-09 00:45:12	Scimmia	halikular: you're getting confused because those are not home directories. They're directories inside your home
2021-11-09 00:53:27	halikular	I know what you mean just didn't know what to call them. They're child directories to user home directory.
2021-11-09 01:02:14	jbm	halikular, your xdg environment can have them set to any path, but by default they're those sub-folders of the home directory..
2021-11-09 01:05:06	halikular	That's handy. Since firefox, chromium... follow xdg they will create Downloads folder if xdg not customized.
2021-11-09 02:02:01	jtgd	are domain names unicode now?
2021-11-09 02:03:07	MacGyver	Ish.
2021-11-09 02:03:12	MacGyver	Have been for some time, too.
2021-11-09 02:03:18	MacGyver	What do you actually want to know?
2021-11-09 02:24:35	jcbjoe2021	Guys im trying to use the find command to find all files in a directory then use rsync to sync them to a destination dir but exclude three directories. is this possible?
2021-11-09 02:36:11	thrice	rsync has an --exclude flag, yes
2021-11-09 02:36:23	thrice	I don't quite understand the need for the first "find" portion, though
2021-11-09 02:37:28	concrete-houses	I am using chrome and it has like 30 processes in htop
2021-11-09 02:37:38	thrice	K
2021-11-09 02:37:44	concrete-houses	many with 21g VIRT
2021-11-09 02:37:52	concrete-houses	why is this? 1 tab open
2021-11-09 02:39:22	thrice	that's how chrome/chromium works
2021-11-09 02:39:35	sheep	the amount of virtual memory doesn't usually matter. what matters more is the amount of resident and shared memory
2021-11-09 02:46:12	topcat001	exactly, linux is overcommit by default ^
2021-11-09 02:47:05	concrete-houses	hmm
2021-11-09 02:47:13	concrete-houses	we need a forth web browser
2021-11-09 02:47:22	concrete-houses	or to redo net as hypercard
2021-11-09 02:47:28	concrete-houses	im not satisfied!!
2021-11-09 02:47:28	concrete-houses	lol
2021-11-09 02:47:31	topcat001	qutebrowser :)
2021-11-09 02:47:42	topcat001	it has changed my life
2021-11-09 02:51:02	morrigan	topcat001: haven't used it recently, did it get more competent ad-block?
2021-11-09 02:51:32	topcat001	yes
2021-11-09 02:52:41	topcat001	My only gripe is youtube ad blocking is not perfect yet. I use Firefox + ublock for seamless youtube adblocking.
2021-11-09 02:53:00	MacGyver	I've just switched to 100% umpv for youtube viewing.
2021-11-09 02:53:23	MacGyver	Even got it to report watched (though not 100% progress) back to youtube now to keep recommendations useful.
2021-11-09 02:54:20	topcat001	nice! I have used it a bit. This is definitely the way to do it.
2021-11-09 02:57:03	topcat001	I sometimes like to read the comments etc.
2021-11-09 02:57:53	MacGyver	On youtube?
2021-11-09 02:58:07	MacGyver	Have you always been a masochist or is this something new?
2021-11-09 03:00:30	topcat001	haha not too often
2021-11-09 03:04:16	jtgd	In qutebrowser I avoid the ads with config.bind('Y', 'spawn --detach mpv --ytdl {url}')
2021-11-09 03:04:32	jtgd	I almost never actually watch YT videos in YT.
2021-11-09 03:05:17	MacGyver	jtgd: Yeah. Now dig out the umpv script from mpv's contrib directory and use that instead.
2021-11-09 03:05:24	MacGyver	jtgd: Free playlisting.
2021-11-09 03:05:35	jtgd	nice! thanks
2021-11-09 03:10:26	morrigan	jtgd: that would work for youtube at least, only reason I don't like qutebrowser is the lack of a comprehensive ad blocker like ublock
2021-11-09 03:11:44	jtgd	MacGyver (missed your reply an hour ago) So if domains are unicode I can have emoji as the name?  👍.com ?  Hard to type I know, but is it possible?
2021-11-09 03:12:06	MacGyver	Good question, I'd have to dig out the RFC for that.
2021-11-09 03:12:53	jtgd	I can imagine that they might limit it to actual foreign language codes but I dunno.
2021-11-09 03:13:23	MacGyver	It needs to be transcribable to punycode.
2021-11-09 03:13:29	MacGyver	That's all I remember.
2021-11-09 03:13:37	jtgd	hmm
2021-11-09 03:13:49	MacGyver	(That's what you see when it's displayed as xn--weirdstring.com)
2021-11-09 03:14:00	jtgd	well I guess I can find out by trying to register one.  :)
2021-11-09 03:15:54	MacGyver	jtgd: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji_domain -- apparently only 11 TLDs accept them.
2021-11-09 03:15:55	phrik	Title: Emoji domain - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2021-11-09 03:16:15	rcf	There are a few specifically disallowed codepoints in the standard but Emoji are not called out specifically. 
2021-11-09 03:17:06	jtgd	interesting
2021-11-09 03:17:45	rcf	Emoji aren't a big deal really. 
2021-11-09 03:18:31	slips	'sup
2021-11-09 03:20:38	rcf	jtgd: their big problem is actually the inability to distinguish even canonicalized unicode text when it is actually rendered, which means there are many restrictions of varying effectiveness and some who don't believe punycode should be rendered at all. 
2021-11-09 03:22:18	jtgd	yeah it's just a weird idea and I wondered if it was possible. I guess so, to a limited degree.
2021-11-09 03:22:48	rcf	I tend to favor strict locale restrictions. No mixing of scripts. 
2021-11-09 03:23:43	rcf	Such allows for localization without inviting the phishing that has dominated real-world usage of IDNs. 
2021-11-09 03:31:30	dmc	my dunst popups are massive now o_o
2021-11-09 03:32:44	dmc	welp
2021-11-09 04:11:52	captain_morgan	I've had this super obnoxious bug since I installed arch on my desktop ~4 month ago; as I always have, when I need to reboot I `sudo reboot`, seems to have worked as long as I can remember, various distros, def systemd, even my older arch install it still works fine. But this system hangs for 1.5min with "A stop job is running for Sesison 2 for
2021-11-09 04:11:52	captain_morgan	user [me]". Everytime and I just cannot find any info on it and it's super, super annoying
2021-11-09 04:13:22	captain_morgan	but if I close all my terminals and use the Plasma menu it works as expected
2021-11-09 04:15:43	captain_morgan	and I just double checked, I don't even have to close all my terminal like I thought, I just seems to be the act of running `sudo reboot` from Konsole
2021-11-09 04:20:42	mpan	captain_morgan: what does the log from the previous boot say, after you reboot the machine? Aside from that, you may wish to switch to `systemctl reboot` as the non-fallback way of invoking that (and “/usr/bin/reboot” is just a symlink to “/usr/bin/systemctl” nowadays), though this is NOT the cause of your issue now.
2021-11-09 04:23:26	rcf	I wasn't aware systemd was designed *not* to do this 
2021-11-09 04:25:09	mpan	rcf: what do you mean?
2021-11-09 04:25:51	rcf	mpan: systemd is clearly designed to be incapable of promptly terminating user processes and hanging at attempted reboots. 
2021-11-09 04:25:53	mpan	captain_morgan: in particular, are any processes finally killed after waiting, according to the log? If yes, which?
2021-11-09 04:26:13	mpan	rcf: yes, hence I ask for the log. It should give the processes, which were nuked.
2021-11-09 04:26:31	lolok	is there some way to lower this limit for all services
2021-11-09 04:26:32	lolok	?
2021-11-09 04:26:46	rcf	captain_morgan: for typical users, reducing every timeout as much as possible is the solution. 
2021-11-09 04:27:01	mpan	lolok: timeout? Yes, but it would be a better idea to first determine what is the cause.
2021-11-09 04:28:01	lolok	i done this for a few already, probably wouldnt eliminate it, but lower it quite a bit as no services i have running should take more than 30 sec to exit
2021-11-09 04:29:01	lolok	and hate to have to wait to diagnose as i usuallt dont have debug shell on and its too late at that point to start it
2021-11-09 04:29:58	rcf	Set KillUserProcesses to yes (see logind.conf) and lower the timeout and enjoy a system supervisor that actually does its goddamn job for once 
2021-11-09 04:30:24	lolok	truth thx
2021-11-09 04:30:31	mpan	… instead of understanding, what causes the issue.
2021-11-09 04:31:00	lolok	you mean waiting an extra 5 mins to understand
2021-11-09 04:31:49	mpan	90s is not 5 mins.
2021-11-09 04:32:01	mpan	It stays in your previous boot’s logs too.
2021-11-09 04:32:07	lolok	sure feels like it does when i need to get to the store or somethin
2021-11-09 04:32:28	mpan	You can kill things, but what if that’s a filesystem getting unmounted?
2021-11-09 04:33:07	mpan	For a few friends that was a file system.
2021-11-09 04:33:13	lolok	i dont have any fs that would take more than 5 seconds to flush
2021-11-09 04:33:35	lolok	if its still alive after 30 seconds it will not die by 90
2021-11-09 04:34:01	lolok	not on my system and afaik 90 sec is excessive for any use case tbh
2021-11-09 04:34:26	lolok	usually shutting down bc i got shit to do ya know?
2021-11-09 04:35:47	rcf	mpan: if I wanted dumb processes misbehaving to be coddled by the operating system I would migrate to Windows 95. I do not want that. I WANT KILLING!
2021-11-09 04:36:07	mpan	rcf: but before killing you may try to debug.
2021-11-09 04:36:27	lolok	you start debug shell before every shutdown?
2021-11-09 04:36:49	lolok	might have to script that tbh
2021-11-09 04:40:09	captain_morgan	mpan in the past when trying to diagnose this issue I've ensure nothing else is running
2021-11-09 04:40:32	captain_morgan	its like running reboot from that shell prevents the shell from exiting
2021-11-09 04:40:45	mpan	captain_morgan: and what happens in the log after 90s?
2021-11-09 04:40:56	captain_morgan	it reboots
2021-11-09 04:41:06	mpan	In the log? What is the exact message?
2021-11-09 04:41:27	captain_morgan	oh sorry, how do I check previous boot's logs? is that -b on journelctl?
2021-11-09 04:41:43	mpan	-b -1
2021-11-09 04:41:54	captain_morgan	ah it keeps records, handy
2021-11-09 04:42:40	lolok	rcf whats the config parameter? i se the killuserprocesses, but nothing about the timeout
2021-11-09 04:48:03	captain_morgan	session-2.scope: Stopping timed out. Killing.
2021-11-09 04:48:04	captain_morgan	session-2.scope: Killing process 2020 (kded5) with signal SIGKILL.
2021-11-09 04:48:12	captain_morgan	and another for gdbus
2021-11-09 04:48:24	captain_morgan	session-2.scope: Consumed 5h 53min 55.401s CPU time.
2021-11-09 04:51:16	mpan	captain_morgan: does that happen if you first log out (not reboot) from KDE and then try to reboot? Are you using any display manager?
2021-11-09 04:51:51	mpan	captain_morgan: try next time.
2021-11-09 04:53:04	lolok	ah its in system.conf as DefaultTimeoutStopSec
2021-11-09 04:54:25	captain_morgan	No, I recall trying that and it worked as expect. 
2021-11-09 04:55:51	mpan	captain_morgan: there is a long history of bugs in display managers and software related to user sessions that were either continuously restarting some session-related programs upon an attempt to stop it, or were preventing SIGTERM from being delivered to them in the first place. I suspect that may be the case here.
2021-11-09 04:55:57	captain_morgan	display manager is SDDM
2021-11-09 04:56:11	mpan	captain_morgan: in which case you should follow what rcf has suggested AND report that as a bug.
2021-11-09 04:56:15	captain_morgan	but it appears it is exiting before this hangup
2021-11-09 04:56:46	Nitrousoxide	Does anyone here use the SE kernel and if so is it stable on Arch? I understand that it is not an officially supported kernel so I want to be careful before taking the plunge.
2021-11-09 04:57:26	captain_morgan	yeah, it is exiting before the user session hangup
2021-11-09 04:57:48	mpan	It should also stop kded5 tho. It is not, for some reason.
2021-11-09 04:58:23	mpan	So rcf’s suggestion makes sense as a temporary relief, but you should also report that as a bug.
2021-11-09 04:58:52	rcf	mpan: unless GNOME is at fault, in which case... they are literally the reason that upstream defaults to KillUserProcess=yes as a default. 
2021-11-09 04:59:01	rcf	It is the permanent solution! 
2021-11-09 04:59:01	captain_morgan	yeah, I'm booting up my old desktop to see what it had KillUserProcesses set to
2021-11-09 04:59:05	mpan	rcf: GNOME at fault with kded5?
2021-11-09 04:59:21	rcf	mpan: not here, but I'm just saying that certain DEs will see this a NOTABUG or WONTFIX at the very least. 
2021-11-09 04:59:23	mpan	!check if GNOME infested KDE too
2021-11-09 04:59:24	phrik	Testing if GNOME infested KDE too: [PASS]
2021-11-09 04:59:38	captain_morgan	yeah running KDE
2021-11-09 04:59:43	mpan	Oh, I know that GNOME bugs are WONTFIX by default.
2021-11-09 05:00:02	captain_morgan	but funny enough, my GNOME lappy happily reboots from the terminal
2021-11-09 05:00:20	captain_morgan	as does my old old desktop
2021-11-09 05:01:06	captain_morgan	grumble, other desktop has no wifi...
2021-11-09 05:03:37	captain_morgan	no go, old desktop also had KillUserProcesses commented out (defaults no, yeah?)
2021-11-09 05:25:33	captain_morgan	well... in a singular test setting KillUserProcesses=yes seems to help, though some of the reading I've just done hints at it might take some runtime before it becomes a problem, but in my case I believe it's always happened even if reboot a fresh bringup
2021-11-09 05:55:49	captain_morgan	yyyyyeaaaaah. no
2021-11-09 05:59:35	rcf	h4rd3n3D: no problem. Also USB wifi can either be your salvation or damnation, these vendors love nothing more than changing chipset versions during the production run without regard for driver quality 
2021-11-09 06:00:03	rcf	And they never come out and just say what they're using on the box 
2021-11-09 06:00:07	rcf	Because that would be sensible 
2021-11-09 06:00:15	rcf	</rant> 
2021-11-09 06:01:33	captain_morgan	yeah, my experience managing a fleet of raspis
2021-11-09 06:01:56	captain_morgan	plus, just desk spelunking the ethernet over just to make the check was easily that finding a dongle
2021-11-09 06:02:20	rcf	Sometimes they're cheap, which means I'll buy them anyway and just throw the ones that don't work right in a bin to be given away to Windows users 
2021-11-09 06:03:56	rcf	captain_morgan: that works well... until your systems include chromebooks and macbooks where you need the dongle anyway to use wired ethernet 
2021-11-09 06:15:10	DigitalKiwi	i had some of those some worked better than others
2021-11-09 06:16:06	captain_morgan	rcf very thankfully that was not my department, I just did Pi's
2021-11-09 06:23:10	rcf	h4rd3n3D: some of those actually worked, oddly enough. But they were often Realtek chipsets, which means it's a crapshoot 
2021-11-09 06:24:07	rcf	captain_morgan: microcenter did have a separate category of USB wireless adapters for the pis for a while. Which turned out to be a good proxy for Linux support in general. 
2021-11-09 06:24:13	rcf	They were the more expensive ones of course. 
2021-11-09 06:24:24	rcf	People will pay extra for certainty. 
2021-11-09 06:25:46	captain_morgan	after a while we only bought from Pi Hut to make sure we got ones that worked
2021-11-09 06:26:01	captain_morgan	and ethernet everywhere we could
2021-11-09 06:26:49	rcf	For my home network I got tired of it all and just bought an extra router to bridge the two network halves in my house together. 
2021-11-09 06:27:34	rcf	(wiring would have been a pain in the ass, so a cheap secondhand router was too tempting not to try first)
2021-11-09 06:27:39	rcf	And it works extremely well. 
2021-11-09 06:31:12	captain_morgan	so happy i got to hardwire my routers together in my new house, was planning 3 but 2 had good enough coverage for now
2021-11-09 06:33:37	rcf	Indeed
2021-11-09 06:34:02	rcf	It is nice be able to plug things in knowing they will Just Work™
2021-11-09 06:34:58	demonicmaniac	some of the super cheap huawei even have mesh and not just bridge
2021-11-09 06:35:23	demonicmaniac	xiamoi too. can have a nice proper mesh without issues of changing router and losing connection while transferring
2021-11-09 06:39:53	demonicmaniac	for brdige/wisp mode it doesn't matter
2021-11-09 06:40:12	demonicmaniac	but honestly - mesh routers are a thing now. just replace the old stuff with mesh capable routers
2021-11-09 06:40:19	demonicmaniac	preferably 3band
2021-11-09 06:40:23	captain_morgan	I started settting up meshing on OpenWRT but found 802.11r Fast Transition worked well enough
2021-11-09 06:40:56	demonicmaniac	you still want triband for seperate inter router communication though
2021-11-09 06:41:01	demonicmaniac	are there any triband without mesh?
2021-11-09 06:41:29	demonicmaniac	and the better mesh systems also come with ethernet backhaul so you can use ethernet as the inter communication channel
2021-11-09 06:43:58	rcf	h4rd3n3D_: that tends to be the most reliable way to go about it, and if it's older that's actually not too difficult to do usually. However I should be clear that the mode which works well is wireless to ethernet bridging; doing everything wireless can incur a significant penalty due to the overlap of the collision domain that gets worse with older equipment because fewer channels. 
2021-11-09 06:45:01	rcf	Mesh is more sensible because it's actually designed to do this. 
2021-11-09 06:45:12	rcf	Rather than an awkward hack. 
2021-11-09 06:48:24	demonicmaniac	h4rd3n3D_: the huawei ax3000 is the cheapest you can get probably. i got 2 for parents connecting 2 floors
2021-11-09 06:48:41	demonicmaniac	like 30€/piece for wifi6 and mesh capable and they sometimes even had 2 or 3x sets for like 70
2021-11-09 06:48:52	rcf	That's not bad at all. 
2021-11-09 06:50:37	captain_morgan	womp, no openwrt support
2021-11-09 06:51:49	captain_morgan	need to figure out my next go to router
2021-11-09 06:58:17	demonicmaniac	captain_morgan: 1 / 4
2021-11-09 06:58:19	demonicmaniac	er
2021-11-09 06:58:20	demonicmaniac	1 / 4
2021-11-09 06:58:22	demonicmaniac	ASUS RT-AC1900U
2021-11-09 06:58:51	demonicmaniac	bollocks stupid site copy -_- anyway that does openwrt/dd but expensive 
2021-11-09 07:10:36	AmR	Any one know static web browser work with wine ??
2021-11-09 07:19:10	hiya	Anyone able to make hardware acceleration work with FF94 now using Intel XE graphics and Tigerlake?
2021-11-09 07:46:47	hjpotter92	hi
2021-11-09 07:47:04	hjpotter92	i need some help with emacs-git package installation using yay
2021-11-09 07:47:33	hjpotter92	it keeps failing with a different illegal operation error message each time
2021-11-09 07:48:08	hjpotter92	i recently switched from an i7 cpu to i9; could that be the cause?
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2021-11-09 08:55:55	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2021-11-09 08:55:55	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1321 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1321 normals)
2021-11-09 08:55:57	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-11-09 08:57:28	mkoskar	low-key: idk bemenu but, are you running it from terminal? what is the exist status? does it have some verbose flag? log file? writes to the journal? maybe they have own irc channel for support, or ask a question in their issue tracker ... if you want to go deeper then 1) strace/ltrace 2) compile with debug symbols and attach gdb
2021-11-09 08:57:50	low-key	no verbose flag
2021-11-09 08:57:54	low-key	that's the first thing i checked
2021-11-09 08:58:12	low-key	i've heard of strace before but have no experience with it
2021-11-09 08:58:15	low-key	i'll look into it
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2021-11-09 08:58:47	low-key	and the exit status must be 1? my prompt changes to red if it's non-zero but i dunno how to look at the actual exit code itself
2021-11-09 08:58:57	grawity	usually $?
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2021-11-09 08:59:06	grawity	re strace, more or less just look at what's the last thing it does before it dies
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2021-11-09 09:21:09	low-key	okay!
2021-11-09 09:21:11	low-key	thanks everybody!
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2021-11-09 11:08:46	terzievk	I have a laptop that stays on 5.11.9-arch1-1 and when I run `sudo pacman -Syu` it says `there is nothing to do`. It doesn't udpate other packages too. 
2021-11-09 11:09:10	grawity	change your pacman mirror
2021-11-09 11:09:25	grawity	and do -Syyu once just in case
2021-11-09 11:09:26	ℹ 	bugger es conocido ahora como demonicmaniac1
2021-11-09 11:10:11	terzievk	thanks
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2021-11-09 11:31:32	jeed	hello!
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2021-11-09 11:35:54	raster	o/
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2021-11-09 11:40:17	terzievk	Do you use http mirrors?
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2021-11-09 11:42:06	Mion	use https 
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2021-11-09 12:04:11	chazy	hi, how does arch configure the network by default? in a file?
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2021-11-09 12:04:44	tsdh	I have some CIFS auto-mounts in my /etc/fstab.  Since recently it happens that some mount breaks in the sense that trying to access /my/mount/point/some_file.txt will block indefinitely.  Same for trying to umount it.  Is there any hammer to try to restart the mount without restarting the complete system?
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2021-11-09 12:05:30	Namarrgon	chazy: arch doesn't configure the network by default
2021-11-09 12:06:17	chazy	Namarrgon: you mean on a clean install, right?
2021-11-09 12:06:18	Namarrgon	tsdh: do they also hang if you comment them out in fstab and mount them manually instead?
2021-11-09 12:06:22	Namarrgon	chazy: right
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2021-11-09 12:07:46	tsdh	Namarrgon: I don't know. But they don't fail immediately but only after they've worked fine for hours.
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2021-11-09 12:08:04	chazy	Namarrgon: ok, what about the cloudimg image? i added an additional network card but it's down and i don't want to use different tools to configure the network, like i checked /etc/systemd/network/ and there are no config files so how is the first network card configured in that file?
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2021-11-09 12:08:28	Namarrgon	chazy: "tree /etc/systemd/system"
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2021-11-09 12:11:58	chazy	Namarrgon: looks like systemd-networkd but i don't see the config file in /etc/systemd/network/, any idea where it might be? i doubt it's dhcp since i have static ips
2021-11-09 12:12:22	Namarrgon	what was the output?
2021-11-09 12:12:36	chazy	i mean, how do i tell systemd-networkd to bring the link up for eth1?
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2021-11-09 12:15:35	chazy	Namarrgon: https://gist.github.com/ChazyTheBest/270739070ebbcba30c26a8af0cb08e8d
2021-11-09 12:15:36	Mion	printf "[Match]\nName=eth1\n\n[Network]\nDHCP=ipv4\n" > whatever.network && systemctl start systemd-networkd ?
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2021-11-09 12:16:03	Mion	or enable --now
2021-11-09 12:16:38	chazy	yeah i can do that easily, but i want to know why there's no file for eth0, how does systemd-networkd to bring that one up with the static ips
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2021-11-09 12:16:57	chazy	how does it know*
2021-11-09 12:17:20	Namarrgon	ls -l /usr/lib/systemd/network
2021-11-09 12:18:30	Mion	chazy: distro provided configs goes to /usr/lib
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2021-11-09 12:19:58	Mion	hmm https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/arch-boxes/-/blob/master/images/basic.sh#L15
2021-11-09 12:20:01	phrik	Title: images/basic.sh · master · Arch Linux / arch-boxes · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2021-11-09 12:20:14	Mion	apparently etc in this case
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2021-11-09 12:26:02	chazy	weird, why is it missing then?
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2021-11-09 12:45:23	chazy	is it possible to check what files has systemd-networkd read?
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2021-11-10 06:37:27	kulak	Hi, I have marked youtube-dl with suid and guid and chown emby:emby, but when I run youtube-dl from my user account it still saves with my user id.  what am I missing?
2021-11-10 06:53:31	llua	its a python script
2021-11-10 06:59:42	rcf	kulak: setuid is ignored for all scripts. 
2021-11-10 07:03:11	kulak	thanks, I Just run to the same conclusion. :(
2021-11-10 07:25:33	hiya	Anyone here experienced anything better with powersave profiles?
2021-11-10 07:26:22	ville	howdy. anyone else experience with a recent update that "half" the programs now have wrong sized fonts?
2021-11-10 07:36:04	ville	ok presumably something to do with xorg-server's dpi detecting in 21.1.x
2021-11-10 07:53:43	lolok	kulak chown and suid the parent dir of the output file
2021-11-10 07:54:24	lolok	er maybe it only works with sgid
2021-11-10 08:02:01	kulak	I fixed it by writing exec for youtube-dl
2021-11-10 08:02:04	kulak	works well
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2021-11-10 08:55:16	baltazar	uh... I just upgraded yesterday, then as I turn on my machine this morning, everything's huge (I'm using kde plasma)
2021-11-10 08:55:23	baltazar	anyone else having this issue?
2021-11-10 08:55:57	susi	check for .pacnew leftovers from update
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2021-11-10 09:17:38	aminvakil	baltazar: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/72661
2021-11-10 09:17:39	phrik	Title: FS#72661 : [xorg-server] Apps big scale (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2021-11-10 09:18:23	ville	i guess the simplest solution right now to fixing font scaling is just `xrandr --dpy 96` and wait for the shit sort it self
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2021-11-10 09:21:19	baltazar	uh... assuming you meant --dpi, that just messed up everything
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2021-11-10 09:24:33	baltazar	after killing plasmashell, it it's a bit better
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2021-11-10 09:25:11	susi	KDE may set its own DPI like Gtk apps do I think
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2021-11-10 12:00:07	ℹ 	jirido es conocido ahora como BogWader
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2021-11-10 13:00:05	Vamp898	Hi there, i setup OpenDKIM according to this Wiki page: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/OpenDKIM#Postfix_integration and it works ot the point where i can read "external host ABC attempted to send as XYZ". So OpenDKIM correctly detects that someone is sending with an domain who is not allowed to use that domain. Fine! But how can i block it now?
2021-11-10 13:00:05	Vamp898	The Email still gets forwarded just fine and the recipient is getting the Email sent using forged sender address. If ClamAV detects Malware (or an Malware Testfile like EICAR), the Email gets blocked. If OpenDKIM detects an forged sender, he just reports it in the logs
2021-11-10 13:00:05	phrik	Title: OpenDKIM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-11-10 13:10:56	vidal72[m]	heftig: disabling all portals in xdg-destop-portal-gtk is actually upstream bug, see https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal-gtk/issues/355 
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2021-11-10 13:13:24	vidal72[m]	so https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commit/35cb432720bfe74ae107123dabe7d6be7fde66b5#diff-3e341d2d9c67be01819b25b25d5e53ea3cdf3a38d28846cda85a195eb9b7203a needs to be reverted, at least partially
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2021-11-10 13:14:31	heftig	vidal72[m]: are you on matrix?
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2021-11-10 13:15:16	vidal72[m]	yes
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2021-11-10 13:15:33	heftig	why are you contacting me here, then?
2021-11-10 13:15:46	heftig	use @heftig:archlinux.org or #archlinux:archlinux.org
2021-11-10 13:16:00	NetSysFire	because irc is cooler, obviously
2021-11-10 13:16:39	vidal72[m]	I thought irc is bridged to matrix
2021-11-10 13:16:48	heftig	it's not
2021-11-10 13:17:10	heftig	at least not this channel, it's too big
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2021-11-10 13:18:53	Vamp898	I once had an Matrix Server #goodolddays. Everyone hated me for that as one client was worse than the other. I was able to cause many people who did not care about FLOSS to hate FLOSS. Anyway, i think i found the issue. The SPF is still set to soft-fail. That most likely causes OpenDKIM to accept the mail, even though it knows its a forged sender.
2021-11-10 13:18:54	Vamp898	Guess have to change that to hard-file to actually cause any results
2021-11-10 13:19:21	Vamp898	*hard-fail
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2021-11-10 13:21:09	vidal72[m]	so is matrix now preferred over irc by all arch staff?
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2021-11-11 11:56:14	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2021-11-11 11:56:14	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1345 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1345 normals)
2021-11-11 01:46:05	cq-work	Or maybe it'll get more support for wayland, :P
2021-11-11 01:46:06	NetSysFire	it will be fixed very soon
2021-11-11 01:46:08	mikebutash	the icon sizing?
2021-11-11 01:46:18	NetSysFire	no, the dpi issue. see what i linked
2021-11-11 01:46:19	jonathon	regressions just prove Xorg is alive.. :)
2021-11-11 01:46:26	⚡ 	NetSysFire shakes fist at jonathon
2021-11-11 01:46:41	cq-work	Maybe it is a DPI issue, I figured that would cause wonky text. 
2021-11-11 01:47:02	cq-work	Text looked fine, just really large or weirdly sized icons everywhere. 
2021-11-11 01:47:09	NetSysFire	try downgrading xorg and see if that fixes it
2021-11-11 01:47:19	NetSysFire	this causes a partial upgrade, so be careful
2021-11-11 01:48:00	cq-work	Well, I can just stick to wayland for now. 
2021-11-11 01:48:06	mikebutash	I've been told for like 10 years blame xorg for kwin's crap compositing, but admittedly I've seen worse errata from it over the years.
2021-11-11 01:48:23	NetSysFire	use whatever works for you best, but regressions happen, even with wayland
2021-11-11 02:06:29	mikebutash	kde+compositing is cool when it works
2021-11-11 02:07:22	mikebutash	but i'm presuming the guys that do the compositing have only used a single monitor in their life
2021-11-11 02:07:23	bruda	I don't tinker with a lot of the fancy compositing features but my general use of the desktop works fine.
2021-11-11 02:07:39	NetSysFire	wobbly windows are essential
2021-11-11 02:07:49	cq-work	mikebutash: kdm lets you choose at login. 
2021-11-11 02:07:52	⚡ 	bruda definitely a single monitor user
2021-11-11 02:08:31	cq-work	I can't use a single monitor, I'd go crazy.
2021-11-11 02:08:37	bruda	These days I'm on a laptop usually.
2021-11-11 02:08:41	mikebutash	I have a laptop using kde neon from circa 2017 that has like a 3 year uptime, it works great too
2021-11-11 02:09:08	cq-work	Even with my monitor, I literally pack a portable monitor and stand. 
2021-11-11 02:09:13	cq-work	er, even with my laptop*
2021-11-11 02:09:24	bruda	While I do see the benefits of multiple monitors I'm accustomed to making do with one.
2021-11-11 02:09:24	mikebutash	me too, but with the advent of a TB3 dock, I connect another 2x 4k/60 displays to it too, and usually works great
2021-11-11 02:09:48	mikebutash	all but compositing
2021-11-11 02:10:18	mikebutash	only thing I miss is window transparency, as I like to leave inactive windows opaque if I had my druthers
2021-11-11 02:11:04	mikebutash	that and I use cairo dock, that otherwise leaves a band across the top and bottom somewhat hidden if compositing is disabled
2021-11-11 02:11:59	mikebutash	every other dock I've used still sucks in comparison to cairo dock
2021-11-11 02:12:02	bruda	I forget what the early opengel desktop thing was called. It was awesome back then. Seems not much has fully matched its features since.
2021-11-11 02:14:28	bruda	Maybe I'm thinking of compiz?
2021-11-11 02:14:33	mikebutash	ever since ubuntu first started imposing compiz, it's been a buggy mess, I'm not sure there is a good solution for hi-dpi setups
2021-11-11 02:14:49	mikebutash	yeah, compiz was the first mainstream one
2021-11-11 02:15:29	mikebutash	then kde4 going to kde5 someone thought wobbly windows would be cool there too
2021-11-11 02:16:16	mikebutash	back then I used 6x 1080p lcd's in a 11520x1080p setup that would drive it bonkers
2021-11-11 02:16:28	bruda	I remember the TechTV show The Screensavers originally introduced me to Compiz. I had a blast playing with that desktop cube n all
2021-11-11 02:17:16	bruda	I could blow any Windows users mind back then lol
2021-11-11 02:18:09	mikebutash	exactly, by then I was using linux on my systems 100%, showing that to my customers would blow their mind.
2021-11-11 02:18:23	mikebutash	again, single display, worked great
2021-11-11 02:18:38	mikebutash	2 or more, all hell broke loose.
2021-11-11 02:18:43	bruda	heh
2021-11-11 02:18:51	mikebutash	and I used 6
2021-11-11 02:19:14	mikebutash	at home at least
2021-11-11 02:19:20	bruda	Even today it's hard to sway most diehard windows users. Sad to think Linux still can't quite top the experience.
2021-11-11 02:20:02	bruda	Though I'm surprised Windows can't do faster updates. Da hell takes em so long to download?
2021-11-11 02:20:04	mikebutash	at one point I was seriously angry with linux, I said fuck it, I'll try windoze these days to see about 3-4 years ago
2021-11-11 02:20:25	bruda	Yea I was having my days too. Mostly from the gaming perspective.
2021-11-11 02:20:53	mikebutash	I had an xps15, hybrid graphics, i7, built for bear, and its compositing would lag and crap out constantly
2021-11-11 02:21:00	bruda	Seems now Steam with Proton is making the gaming experience a little more complete.
2021-11-11 02:21:36	mikebutash	that was win10, i7, 1050 nv gpu, 32gb ram, ssd, etc.
2021-11-11 02:21:54	bruda	I've never been fortunate enough to have an XPS 
2021-11-11 02:22:19	bruda	My best gaming rig is still a tower thats about 7 years old now I think.
2021-11-11 02:22:44	mikebutash	I still use it now since somehow my main desktop blew up
2021-11-11 02:22:55	bruda	damn
2021-11-11 02:23:25	bruda	Mine almost fried but I put in a good CPU cooler. Replaced the mounting brackets n all for that one.
2021-11-11 02:24:10	mikebutash	one day my desktop rebooted, and could never get graphics back up on it, thought the gpu blew, but windoze works fine with with it, or desktop linux isos.  Somehow arch just got angry with it.
2021-11-11 02:24:32	bruda	Glad I bought my GTX660 before the bitcoin mining boom caused the prices of cards to go up.
2021-11-11 02:25:14	mikebutash	I had a 1070gtx in the desktop, it ran proton great for most thing when steam started doing it.
2021-11-11 02:25:56	bruda	What kernel? I had aproblem with one of the kernels killing my graphics.
2021-11-11 02:26:02	mikebutash	I've looked at building a new desktop, but can't find a frigging gpu without paying 2-2.5x cost
2021-11-11 02:26:07	bruda	Now days I try to stick with LTS kernels.
2021-11-11 02:26:52	bruda	Yea I gave up on the dream of a new gaming rig. Graphics cards are just too expensive now.
2021-11-11 02:27:20	bruda	Though I could probably just upgrade my ram and get a new hard drive and get a few more years out of my box.
2021-11-11 02:27:23	mikebutash	that desktop was perfectly stable as long as kwin was disabled, I'd run that thing like 6mo without a -Syu.  All I can think is some random install introduced a depenency break, but gave up trying to figure it out.
2021-11-11 02:27:48	bruda	I think that's what got me started on Manjaro. The breakages in Aarch.
2021-11-11 02:27:50	mikebutash	Kinda fuckered me at the time for work, so I moved to using my laptop entire, and it's been ok with arch.
2021-11-11 02:28:20	bruda	Manjaro seems to be a bit more solid with upgrades. Especially if I use pamac instead of pacman.
2021-11-11 02:29:10	bruda	Plus I like their tools. The kernel managment tool is handy.
2021-11-11 02:29:15	mikebutash	I was toying with that system again as it's a dual xeon 20 core system, 128gb ram, 1070gpu, dual m2 ssd, etc, but last time was trying to use zfs and couldn't get it to boot properly.
2021-11-11 02:30:09	mikebutash	I was using Manjaro to get a desktop and ssh to it to work building the os, it was decent to boot fully even with the nvidia drivers to test
2021-11-11 02:30:38	julie_pilgrim	should i use wayland or xorg
2021-11-11 02:30:54	coruja	bruda: pls keep in mind that manjaro is off-topic here, just a warning
2021-11-11 02:30:55	⚡ 	mikebutash rolls magic 8-ball
2021-11-11 02:31:03	bruda	Ah sorry.
2021-11-11 02:32:33	bruda	I'm in their channel too but it's quiet over there.
2021-11-11 02:32:40	mikebutash	he just mentioned manjaro, I don't think anyone's asking for support
2021-11-11 02:32:46	coruja	julie_pilgrim: if all the apps you need run with wayland (or xwayland at least), there'll be nothing wrong with moving to wayland
2021-11-11 02:34:36	mikebutash	I figure I can't be the only bastard to use 3-6 displays at a time, would be nice to hear of anyone using the same successfully without hacks.
2021-11-11 02:34:50	bruda	3-6? I'm sure you are one of the few lol
2021-11-11 02:35:07	coruja	mikebutash: that doesn't change the fact that it is off-topic here, especially when spreading word in favour of it (which may be doubtable)
2021-11-11 02:35:29	bruda	maybe I'm just so old school that I can make do with one by using the extra workspaces and all.
2021-11-11 02:35:57	mikebutash	coruja: gotcha, I didn't realize it was a competiton 
2021-11-11 02:36:42	⚡ 	bruda shrugs
2021-11-11 02:37:04	mikebutash	I see it usually as like a newb into to arch, which once you learn, you don't much need other than convenience
2021-11-11 02:38:13	mikebutash	well that and wondering what dubious chinese roots it keeps
2021-11-11 02:39:45	jonathon	bruda: pamac more reliable than pacman? that would be new. :O
2021-11-11 02:40:44	bruda	jonathon: I've had pacman break my system with upgrades, but pamac handled certain changes automatically that pacman wouldn't handle without intervention.
2021-11-11 02:42:37	jonathon	hmm... although, manjaro's pacman is (or was) a fork, and pamac uses a separate mirror list... have you a forum link for the issue, interested to know where pacman would fail
2021-11-11 02:46:21	bruda	The last one I recall involved certain packages needing to be removed to successfuly upgrade certain packages. Pacman gave me a complicated route while pamac automatically removed the packages and performed the upgrade seamlessly. But not sure the under-the-hood specifics behind the whole situation. 
2021-11-11 02:47:32	bruda	I think certain packages were renamed and other packages were depreciated. But it wasn't as simple as removing the packages because of certain dependencies that needed to be resolved or such.
2021-11-11 02:47:50	jonathon	kind of sounds like the nvidia package switch... maybe guilliame built some improved dependency resolution into pamac, though it does use libalpm so not sure...
2021-11-11 02:48:53	bruda	I wish I could recall what packages it involved. Was in the last couple months I think.
2021-11-11 02:49:01	bruda	it had been a while since I did an upgrade.
2021-11-11 02:49:08	bruda	err update...
2021-11-11 02:51:41	bruda	Either way pamac smoothed things out for me so I started leaning that way when I did my updates.
2021-11-11 02:51:51	jonathon	i guess the other thing i should consider is this might be a weakness of the manjaro repos rather than pacman's dependency resolution :/
2021-11-11 02:52:51	jonathon	just one other thing to watch out for is glibc and systemd updates - in the past i've seen the Pamac GUI crash during an update and bork everything
2021-11-11 02:53:12	bruda	could be. As I said I don't recall the specifics enough to pinpoint the problem. But I tried to resolve things with pacman and hit a couple walls. Was told to use pamac and it worked out on its own.
2021-11-11 02:53:24	jonathon	but, that might have been fixed by now :shrug:
2021-11-11 02:53:34	bruda	Perhaps. 
2021-11-11 02:54:26	bruda	I don't mean to sound like I'm knocking pacman. It's a great tool that won me over from various other distros I used for many years.
2021-11-11 02:54:59	jonathon	indeed ... and if manjaro works for you then good. but you should look at a closer-to-arch derivate. ;P
2021-11-11 02:55:14	jonathon	derivative*
2021-11-11 02:56:32	bruda	Something to contemplate.
2021-11-11 02:57:39	bruda	I liked the ready-to-use setup. Was easy to install and get busy on. But I do appreciate having full control when I need to custom build a system for specific use.
2021-11-11 02:57:53	bruda	Like servers, etc.
2021-11-11 03:00:28	bruda	Or minimal systems for older machines.
2021-11-11 03:05:14	jonathon	if you haven't seen them, check out endeavouros and garuda. they're !notarch, and everyone does eventually arrive at arch, but they do what they do quite well
2021-11-11 03:06:19	jonathon	(eg. the endeavouros installer and garuda's built-in rollback are nice)
2021-11-11 03:06:31	bruda	sounds interesting.
2021-11-11 03:07:16	bruda	Right now I have limited access to internet so I'm not in a position to test out other installers or such. But I'm curious enough that I might someday when the situation improves.
2021-11-11 03:08:36	jonathon	cool cool
2021-11-11 03:09:14	bruda	Dropped hughesnet. Looking for a better service for middle-of-nowhere residence.
2021-11-11 03:09:31	Velvet	New Mexico?
2021-11-11 03:09:33	bruda	Also our water well pooped out and a deer took out our car. Tough times all around.
2021-11-11 03:10:05	jonathon	:(
2021-11-11 03:10:09	bruda	Right now I'm on a hotspot I checked out from our local library. Have it for 2 weeks then have to wait 2 weeks before checking out another.
2021-11-11 03:11:06	jonathon	do you pay for the data or is that included in the loan? that's pretty cool either way, though
2021-11-11 03:11:25	bruda	Free unlimited tmobile hotspot.
2021-11-11 03:11:40	jonathon	wow, very useful library!
2021-11-11 03:11:45	bruda	Doesn't cost anything unless we don't return it on time. Then it's $10/day.
2021-11-11 03:12:34	bruda	so I usually get my updates done n stuff and prepare for offline use of my devices.
2021-11-11 03:16:33	bruda	I have my LCTHW materials downloaded. Might start back up on learning that in my downtime. Kinda miss coding.
2021-11-11 03:31:28	jonathon	heh, everytime i start trying to pick up a new language i end up going round an arc of adjacent things looking at their pros and cons...
2021-11-11 03:47:25	bruda	Yea. I've learned a lot of languages in my time. There's always pros n cons. But the one I've had the most fun with was Go. 
2021-11-11 03:48:12	bruda	But to get down to the core basics of Linux I keep hoping to master C. Even  though its a nightmare of a language without extensive familiarity.
2021-11-11 03:51:54	mikebutash	bruda: have you looked at Starlink?
2021-11-11 03:52:15	bruda	500 bucks to setup? Can't do that. Plus it's not available here.
2021-11-11 03:52:35	bruda	the best internet I can find for this area I think is Casair. Whatever it's renamed to now.
2021-11-11 03:53:05	mikebutash	better get on the corner and sell dem crack rocks.  :D
2021-11-11 03:53:06	bruda	It's a form of fiber to wireless internet of some sorts.
2021-11-11 03:54:08	bruda	Get on that corner and sell the allergy medicine meth lol. I'm good on all that.
2021-11-11 03:54:45	bruda	Might be able to get a small loan and get the ball rolling. But I don't like satellite internet to begin with. Too much latency.
2021-11-11 03:54:52	mikebutash	well, don't mean shit if fiber or human slaves transporting them packets if you're wireless to them and crap wireless in between.
2021-11-11 03:55:27	bruda	I'm hearing good things about Casair's setup. Might only get 25mbps but it's consistent and fully unlimited.
2021-11-11 03:56:31	mikebutash	I know folks that use some rural wifi solutions here, but always kinda janky.  Satellite is crap unless LEO with Starlink.
2021-11-11 03:56:31	bruda	Lowest package I think its 10mbps. Which would be surivable here. No upfront costs, no contracts, etc. Plus fair monthly rates.
2021-11-11 03:57:08	bruda	I've not heard much from any actual Starlink users but I've heard they had a long ways to go to make it fast n reliable.
2021-11-11 03:57:22	bruda	But starlink isn't available in this area as I understand it.
2021-11-11 03:59:12	bougyman	Didn't they pause starlink onboarding?
2021-11-11 03:59:13	bruda	We had hughesnet but that was garbage.
2021-11-11 03:59:16	mikebutash	check out https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2021/spacexs-starlink-review-four-months
2021-11-11 03:59:18	phrik	Title: SpaceX's Starlink Review - Four months in | Jeff Geerling (at www.jeffgeerling.com)
2021-11-11 04:00:10	mikebutash	they did recently, can't get enough hardware to make them, plus I've known people on the list for a year or more still not hit up either, so it's hit or miss.
2021-11-11 04:00:11	bruda	We got a water well to fix and a deer-smashed car to fix. So the fancy solutions will have to wait.
2021-11-11 04:00:34	bruda	for now we get a free hotspot from the library 2 weeks out of the month. the rest of the time we just make do when we go to town.
2021-11-11 04:01:04	mikebutash	a lot less latency than satellite, I'm not sure I could deal with satellite for remote ssh work...
2021-11-11 04:01:26	mikebutash	but why I also don't live rural.
2021-11-11 04:01:38	bruda	Satellite has high latency. It's not really much good for anything that requires a good ping.
2021-11-11 04:02:11	bruda	I couldn't even play GTA Online on Hughesnet. Ping was so high at minimum I couldn't even connect to a server.
2021-11-11 04:02:41	mikebutash	yeah, I did some work for a satellite isp, it was mostly ass experience.
2021-11-11 04:03:03	mikebutash	I was just like what, your service sucks.
2021-11-11 04:03:10	bruda	So I'm not doing satellite anymore. Probably not even Starlink. Even though its supposed to have a better ping.
2021-11-11 04:03:33	bruda	It'll still be more latency than say a mobile solution or such.
2021-11-11 04:04:08	mikebutash	slightly yes, but actually better than I thought even watching reports come in from Geerling and others
2021-11-11 04:04:22	bruda	All the research I've done so far, and the limited options I have, led me to Casair being the most likely solution for my area.
2021-11-11 04:05:20	mikebutash	news.ycombinator.com gets some feeds from users occasionally
2021-11-11 04:05:26	bruda	We don't even have much of DSL options here.
2021-11-11 04:06:32	mikebutash	yeah here in phoenix I can get cable or dsl, cable to a gig rate, or dsl to 160mbps or so, not sure I could downgrade somewhere else.
2021-11-11 04:06:49	bruda	I miss cable. Charter was my goto for many years.
2021-11-11 04:07:21	bruda	If I was rich I'd pay them to run cable out here lol
2021-11-11 04:07:41	mikebutash	that is why people started creating their own isp's.
2021-11-11 04:08:51	mikebutash	if I had to move to some rural area with shit internet, I probably would too, not the first isp I've built up and operated, but gotta get your neighbors to throw in too.
2021-11-11 04:08:51	bruda	Easier said than done though. Need a high speed connection to the net in order to serve traffic to your area.
2021-11-11 04:10:07	mikebutash	I'm an asshole though, I don't talk to my neighbors, and don't use fakebook.
2021-11-11 04:10:13	bruda	Probably would have better luck getting all the neighbors to throw down and help get a fiber line run to the area.
2021-11-11 04:10:32	mikebutash	it wouldn't be the first time in history to do so.
2021-11-11 04:10:33	bruda	But all I want it some semblence of decent internet for use in my home.
2021-11-11 04:11:05	bruda	hoping by next month we got things under control here and can start considering new service.
2021-11-11 04:11:20	mikebutash	Problem is then a comcast or charter will come in and want to shut you down, just because you're treading in their sandbox.
2021-11-11 04:11:33	bruda	heh
2021-11-11 04:11:54	mikebutash	they'll do it just because their lawyers need something to do
2021-11-11 04:12:28	bruda	Might not be able to run my web servers n such but if I can at least get online, update my systems, browse web, stream movies, etc I'll be content.
2021-11-11 04:13:49	mikebutash	I just need to ssh into networks and manage their shit, but a 600ms latency is a non-starter outside of someone catching me at a restraunt to get a bite to eat.
2021-11-11 04:14:11	bruda	Yea. ridiculous latency.
2021-11-11 04:14:29	bruda	Mobile networks are faster then that. Albeit a bit unreliable sometimes.
2021-11-11 04:14:59	mikebutash	even hotspot/cell is nasty, but for short stints ok.  I'd set fire to my house having to live with that normally though.
2021-11-11 04:15:34	bruda	heh. I hear tmobiles 5g hotspots are amazing.
2021-11-11 04:15:41	bruda	But we don't get that service out here.
2021-11-11 04:16:04	mikebutash	if you live within 100 feet of an ap, probably in a major city.
2021-11-11 04:16:26	bruda	No major cities near us unfortunately.
2021-11-11 04:16:27	mikebutash	mmwave is really only good for maybe 600ft or so
2021-11-11 04:16:48	mikebutash	otherwise their 5g is probably more like 4.5g
2021-11-11 04:17:14	bruda	We barely get 4G out here. And behold the death of 3G boost networks is upon us.
2021-11-11 04:17:47	bruda	they should fix their 4G networks before expiring 3G. But their loss I guess.
2021-11-11 04:18:00	mikebutash	yeah, they're killing old spectrum to reclaim and eventually resell it, much like cable networks killing old analog tv signals.
2021-11-11 04:18:18	bruda	Such nice guys, right?
2021-11-11 04:18:27	feynhat	Hi. Anyone here uses dwm?
2021-11-11 04:18:29	feynhat	A recent update made the font size too big.
2021-11-11 04:18:31	jy	i do
2021-11-11 04:19:21	jy	I have never had a problem like that. I assume you are talking about the bar font right?
2021-11-11 04:19:44	feynhat	I haven't touched the config files for long. After an -Syu today, the font size in the bar and dmenu has become very big.
2021-11-11 04:20:07	feynhat	It is also affecting some programs like qutebrowser.
2021-11-11 04:20:49	thrice	likely the new x-server update
2021-11-11 04:21:26	jy	I was going to say dwm wouldn't be affected unless suckless made a new version and you recompiled dwm
2021-11-11 04:22:05	thrice	https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1241
2021-11-11 04:22:06	phrik	Title: xserver 21.1 breaks fbdev & vesa (segfault in PreInit() -> SetDpi()) : "if (config->compat_output < 0)" with config=(xf86CrtcConfigPtr) 0x21 (#1241) · Issues · xorg / xserver · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2021-11-11 04:27:50	feynhat	Should I try downgrading xorg-server?
2021-11-11 04:31:59	Elon_Satoshi	The rEFInd wiki says it "ships with UEFI drivers that implement read-only support for ReiserFS, Ext2, Ext4, Btrfs, ISO-9660 and HFS+." Does that mean if I use rEFInd as a bootloader my Arch Linux installation will be read-only?
2021-11-11 04:32:28	Elon_Satoshi	I believe I made the /boot partition fat32, which is not mentioned in the quote above
2021-11-11 04:32:32	sheep	no. it just means the rEFInd can access files on those filesystems read-only. It does not affect the kernel's ability to write
2021-11-11 04:32:40	Elon_Satoshi	Oh ok cool
2021-11-11 04:35:00	feynhat	oh no... the older xorg-server is conflicting with a lot of packages.
2021-11-11 04:35:47	feynhat	jy: This is probably not dwm. Because I downloaded a fresh copy and compiled it. I had the same problem.
2021-11-11 04:42:19	thrice	feynhat: the bug report shows a method for forcing a dpi, that seems to work
2021-11-11 04:45:36	feynhat	I see. So I should pass the dpi flag when calling startx?
2021-11-11 04:46:39	Elon_Satoshi	What does "ERROR: device '' not found. Skipping fsck." mean?
2021-11-11 04:47:25	SysGhost	Elon_Satoshi: exactly that! the device '' doesn't exist
2021-11-11 04:47:37	Elon_Satoshi	"mount: /new_root: no filesystem type specified."
2021-11-11 04:47:41	SysGhost	what conmand did you use?
2021-11-11 04:48:21	Elon_Satoshi	Uh, I tried to boot the system.
2021-11-11 04:48:29	Elon_Satoshi	It went to an emergency shell.
2021-11-11 04:49:32	Elon_Satoshi	Specifically, I selected the "Boot vmlinuz-linux from efi_system_partition" option in rEFInd
2021-11-11 04:51:18	Elon_Satoshi	So what did I get wrong?
2021-11-11 04:52:47	Elon_Satoshi	SysGhost: Thanks. Now how do I tell it to look for a device other than ''?
2021-11-11 04:53:32	Elon_Satoshi	I'm pretty sure I didn't skip the fstab step, but I'll double check
2021-11-11 05:04:14	Elon_Satoshi	right, right, i looked it up on the internet and duckduckgo took me here https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=207373
2021-11-11 05:04:15	phrik	Title: [Solved] cannot boot, ERROR: device "" not found, skipping fsck; re... / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2021-11-11 05:11:08	kevr	Elon_Satoshi: https://ufile.io/plrjeuxn
2021-11-11 05:11:09	phrik	Title: Upload files for free - packages-meta-stream.gz - ufile.io (at ufile.io)
2021-11-11 05:11:13	kevr	oops.
2021-11-11 05:11:23	kevr	fuckin copy paste
2021-11-11 05:11:40	kevr	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/rEFInd
2021-11-11 05:11:41	phrik	Title: rEFInd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-11 05:27:12	jbm	Elon_Satoshi, qwant is good too
2021-11-11 05:27:28	jbm	Elon_Satoshi, (alternative search-engine)
2021-11-11 05:28:10	Elon_Satoshi	I can't find /usr/share/refind/refind_linux.conf-sample...
2021-11-11 05:30:35	jbm	Elon_Satoshi, are you using refind on mac?
2021-11-11 05:31:25	Elon_Satoshi	No, it's a HP Probook X360 11 G1 EE
2021-11-11 05:33:19	Elon_Satoshi	I guess the refind package no longer comes with a refind_linux.conf-sample
2021-11-11 05:33:37	Elon_Satoshi	only the refind.conf-sample is included
2021-11-11 07:38:42	andrew	nvidia driver page suggests version 430, but the arch wiki suggests 470 (my gpu is 920M) any idea which one should I install?
2021-11-11 07:41:09	lolok	nouveau
2021-11-11 07:59:29	andrew	lolok: that was an answer I did not expect to get tbh, but to be fair I should try it
2021-11-11 08:09:01	lolok	its not as fast but its much less headache
2021-11-11 08:50:45	Nitrousoxide	I goofed and overwrote my /etc/default/grub file. How can I regenerate it?
2021-11-11 08:51:07	thursdaylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Generate_the_main_configuration_file
2021-11-11 08:51:09	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-11 08:51:36	Nitrousoxide	Thanks, that not very helpful though
2021-11-11 08:51:45	thursdaylark	how so?
2021-11-11 08:51:49	Nitrousoxide	I didn't delete my grub config. I deleted /etc/default/grub
2021-11-11 08:51:55	Nitrousoxide	I need the defaults back
2021-11-11 08:51:58	thursdaylark	ahh
2021-11-11 08:52:37	thursdaylark	should just be able to reinstall the grub package
2021-11-11 08:52:40	mitch0	resintall the grub package?
2021-11-11 08:52:43	mitch0	yeah
2021-11-11 08:52:46	thursdaylark	?pkgfile /etc/default/grub
2021-11-11 08:52:48	EMIYA	thursdaylark: core/grub 2:2.06-2 (/etc/default/grub)
2021-11-11 08:52:50	thursdaylark	yeah
2021-11-11 08:52:56	Nitrousoxide	okay, sounds good, thank you
2021-11-11 08:52:58	thursdaylark	that's the package that owns that file
2021-11-11 08:53:16	thursdaylark	you can also pacman -Qkk grub to see if it complains about that file being gone
2021-11-11 08:53:56	mitch0	or, just take a leap and switch to something less bloated than grub :)
2021-11-11 08:54:13	thursdaylark	the scenic route :P
2021-11-11 08:54:40	Nitrousoxide	mitch0: I know, I really should. But it's not really high priority honestly.
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2021-11-12 14:22:14	varl	i've always found it futile to future proof so i upgrade based on my needs
2021-11-12 14:24:09	SysGhost	that's the way to do it.
2021-11-12 14:24:23	SysGhost	No need to get the next gen GPU each and every iteration.
2021-11-12 14:25:48	Gagis	yeah, especially since good games (paradox grand strategy games)
2021-11-12 14:25:53	Gagis	work with older hardware too
2021-11-12 14:26:25	varl	with the current trend of having different resolutions for the ui and game renders it's fine to drop gfx for the internal render but still have the ui crisp
2021-11-12 14:27:15	varl	can get more mileage out of the hardware without having to sacrifice frames per second
2021-11-12 15:11:39	pingpongball	But i dont like arch Gnu/linux philosophy.
2021-11-12 15:11:50	pingpongball	Philosophy of putting proprietary things on same .
2021-11-12 15:11:55	pingpongball	very disgusting.
2021-11-12 15:14:21	thrice	K
2021-11-12 15:14:40	brejela	What the hell was that
2021-11-12 15:17:23	graywolf	Hello, I've looked a bit but had problem finding an answer, what is licensing on PKGBUILDs themselves and in general on other files in https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community ?
2021-11-12 15:19:54	Foxboron	graywolf: They are generally considered non-unique and non-copyrighted/licensed
2021-11-12 15:20:15	Foxboron	Keep attribution in the induvidual files and nobody really cares
2021-11-12 15:23:19	NoImNotNineVolt	brejela: it was a typical gnu zealot. i'm quite fond of them, personally.
2021-11-12 15:23:57	NoImNotNineVolt	they're like the little bravehearts of computing. it's adorable :)
2021-11-12 15:24:37	brejela	Like an angry lemming.
2021-11-12 15:24:44	Gagis	it seemed like its missing context, like someone continuing a conversation that started in an email thread in irc for a few lines and then moving on to a newsgroup for the next few lines
2021-11-12 15:25:08	Gagis	you need to be in the right secret society to know the correct sequence of platforms to follow the conversation
2021-11-12 15:25:19	brejela	Gagis: Great, now IRC has become a newsgroup cypher.
2021-11-12 15:25:25	MacGyver	Or, just, y'know, don't spend any mental energy on 'm.
2021-11-12 15:25:41	MacGyver	That way only madness lies.
2021-11-12 15:25:59	Gagis	sorry, I should be heading home from work. I'm tired enough to start developing elaborate fantasies about the secret significance of a random shitposter
2021-11-12 15:28:48	th0rne	Is it possible to bind multiple keys to a button, including clicks? Using anything.
2021-11-12 15:29:04	th0rne	So like, you press 'a', but that it actually does 'a' and left-click?
2021-11-12 15:29:17	th0rne	(At current cursor location.)
2021-11-12 15:29:33	th0rne	Does such technology exist?
2021-11-12 15:30:58	Gagis	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xbindkeys
2021-11-12 15:30:59	phrik	Title: Xbindkeys - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-12 15:31:31	Gagis	that should do it
2021-11-12 15:32:58	th0rne	Hmm.
2021-11-12 15:34:15	neutral	(error running install command 'modprobe -i nvidia-current' for module nvidia: retcode 1)
2021-11-12 15:34:54	neutral	i am getting this error on boot everytime
2021-11-12 15:39:45	th0rne	Gagis❱ I don't see how you can set one key to do two consecutive key presses.
2021-11-12 15:41:21	Gagis	I used xautomation, xdo or xdotools for the output part of that
2021-11-12 15:41:27	Gagis	but I cant for the life of me remember which
2021-11-12 15:44:19	th0rne	Well, let's start with the obvious question: what program can generate a click at current mouse location?
2021-11-12 15:45:18	th0rne	Or you mean that that's what you can't remember?
2021-11-12 15:45:44	Gagis	yeah. theres several tools but I cant remember which one I used when I did that
2021-11-12 15:45:52	th0rne	Ok.
2021-11-12 15:47:41	Gagis	the Xbindkeys article has "xdotool click" on one of the examples at least
2021-11-12 15:51:04	Namarrgon	neutral: pacman -Qs nvidia
2021-11-12 15:51:57	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-11-12 15:52:05	th0rne	Gagis❱ Yeah, you're right, that works. 'xdotool click 1' does left-click at cursor location.
2021-11-12 15:53:20	th0rne	Yeah, I guess it's just 'xdotool key a click 1'.
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2021-11-12 15:56:00	zbe	Can someone test libreoffice writer 7.2.2 - if you open 'Set paragraph style', 'Font name' or 'Font size' box, does cursor on page disappear and you are unable to type?
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2021-11-12 15:59:03	umaxtu	zbe: sometimes, yeah. eventually I can type again though
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2021-11-12 16:20:45	zbe	umaxtu, k thanks. I can type only if i right-click somewhre on document or click somewhere outside of writer.
2021-11-12 16:20:59	neko2	huh, that's odd. xorg hangs for a good minute on startx. looking at dmesg there's a few lines about failed to write registers. timing out perhaps? (retrieving dmesg, one moment)
2021-11-12 16:22:32	neko2	(could be iommu.strict related I guess... couldn't even boot just due to a previously working security setting apparently making amdgpu throw a wobbly.)
2021-11-12 16:23:24	NetSysFire	did this happen after an update? https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1241#note_1153655
2021-11-12 16:23:25	phrik	Title: xserver 21.1 breaks fbdev & vesa (segfault in PreInit() -> SetDpi()) : "if (config->compat_output < 0)" with config=(xf86CrtcConfigPtr) 0x21 (#1241) · Issues · xorg / xserver · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
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2021-11-12 16:29:03	neko2	hmm. everything seems normal, but then I saw these in dmesg (warning colour codes): https://paste.rs/TuO
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2021-11-12 16:29:30	neko2	they're reappearing again whenether I try to start anything that wants to use 3D stuff.
2021-11-12 16:29:49	neko2	(e.g. firefox because compositing, glxgears...)
2021-11-12 16:30:16	neko2	... oh, and now I've got a BUG(), fantastic... need to save that real quick
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2021-11-12 16:30:56	neko2	bad pte!? what the flying heck
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2021-11-12 16:31:49	killown	about gnome shell, any way to make only primary display show windows when using hot corners?
2021-11-12 16:31:56	killown	is this kind of question offtopic?
2021-11-12 16:32:22	ℹ 	fdsaasdf es conocido ahora como NoImNotNineVolt
2021-11-12 16:32:45	neko2	(ok, I'm going to reboot and try to rule out some configuration stuff before I dive further, back in a bit)
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2021-11-12 16:33:51	novns	killown, try this one https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/4167/custom-hot-corners-extended/
2021-11-12 16:33:53	phrik	Title: Custom Hot Corners - Extended - GNOME Shell Extensions (at extensions.gnome.org)
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2021-11-12 16:36:20	novns	killown, oh, and there's the option in gnome-tweaks
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2021-11-12 16:36:52	novns	killown, "workspaces on the primary monitor only"
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2021-11-12 16:37:19	killown	novns, wont work with this option
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2021-11-12 16:37:23	killown	thank you
2021-11-12 16:37:42	killown	because this is activities overview
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2021-11-12 16:38:44	ℹ 	daex_ es conocido ahora como daex
2021-11-12 16:40:42	neko2	hmm. the bad pte BUG() I got earlier seems to be ENOREPRODUCE after taking some cmdline options out and kicking out an out-of-tree-module, but the reg write hangs from amdgpu are still occurring in that pattern I pasted earlier. what on earth...
2021-11-12 16:41:05	MacGyver	neko2: They may be unrelated.
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2021-11-12 16:42:03	neko2	MacGyver: I sure hope so
2021-11-12 16:42:32	neko2	funny things with low level memory management are the last thing I want to deal with right now
2021-11-12 16:42:51	novns	killown, and this one https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1583/worksets/
2021-11-12 16:42:53	phrik	Title: Customised Workspaces - GNOME Shell Extensions (at extensions.gnome.org)
2021-11-12 16:43:21	novns	cannot test myself
2021-11-12 16:43:46	killown	novns, sorry this is not about workspace but yes about activities overview
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2021-11-12 16:48:32	novns	killown, check if they allow isolated overviews on every workspace
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2021-11-12 16:51:00	novns	second display is an additional workspace usually
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2021-11-12 16:52:45	⚡ 	neko2 facepalms
2021-11-12 16:52:54	NetSysFire	rip neko2
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2021-11-12 16:53:56	neko2	I had forgotten one, iommu.strict=1 was still there. took that out... everything back to normal. but, it _is_ a bug known to the kernel mailing lists, as some machines where iommu stuff is on stricter by default (I think? from my very noob reading) are having a bad time.
2021-11-12 16:54:13	jelle	iommu woop
2021-11-12 16:54:58	neko2	iommus are great, they said. will solve issues down the line with thunderbolt, they said. ... EXCEPT WHEN THEY DON'T !@#$ WORK
2021-11-12 16:55:01	neko2	!flip
2021-11-12 16:55:01	phrik	(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
2021-11-12 16:55:02	neko2	aaaaaaaaanyway.
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2021-11-12 16:57:25	neko2	after that song and dance I think it is time for a coffee
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2021-11-12 16:59:10	neko2	jelle: why do I always manage to hit all these weird esoteric corner cases... ;_;
2021-11-12 17:00:11	gyara	(┙>∧<)┙へ┻┻
2021-11-12 17:00:24	NetSysFire	!powerflip
2021-11-12 17:00:25	phrik	┻━┻ ︵┻━┻ ︵┻━┻ ︵ ¯\(ಥ益ಥ)/¯ ︵ ┻━┻︵ ┻━┻︵ ┻━┻
2021-11-12 17:00:50	NetSysFire	neko2: because today is a blue moon and maybe also a solar flare day
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2021-11-12 17:01:17	⚡ 	jelle flips the electrons
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2021-11-12 17:01:28	neko2	NetSysFire: apparently I remain susceptible to solar flares causing random hauntings of my computer.
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2021-11-12 17:02:56	neko2	(lack of the iommu strictness settings probably also means my hopes of having some kind of ext PCIe stuff are now dashed too, great)
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2021-11-12 17:05:14	susi	is endeavouros just a graphical installer for arch?
2021-11-12 17:05:27	jelle	no :)
2021-11-12 17:05:40	MacGyver	Though the people who use it definitely like to think it is.
2021-11-12 17:05:52	neko2	(now to actually get back to what I was doing after reboot, which is validating my undervolt at an increased frequency... inb4 prime95 tips the system next)
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2021-11-13 11:10:17	Mion	sheep: even says so on the page, but no one scrolls down
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2021-11-13 11:14:11	ℹ 	tomato7 es conocido ahora como tomato
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2021-11-13 11:16:05	noze	I'm trying to get my thunderbolt egpu working
2021-11-13 11:16:28	noze	I can start X and use only the egpu, but then my laptop display is unused
2021-11-13 11:16:44	Mion	what card?
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2021-11-13 11:17:23	noze	is there a way to have within the same X session run my external monitor through the egpu (nvidia gtx 1660 super) and still utilise the laptop screen?
2021-11-13 11:17:30	Mion	try prime
2021-11-13 11:32:57	noze	can you be more specific?
2021-11-13 11:32:57	noze	I've used prime in the past when I had a laptop with a discrete internal gpu to manage its power state
2021-11-13 11:32:57	Mion	basically the same as if you had dual graphics internal in the laptop
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2021-11-13 11:32:57	demonicmaniac1	just keep in mind tb throughput is low so copyinh back via tb and into the igp framebuffer is super slow
2021-11-13 11:32:57	noze	hmm won't that result in the video signal being routed back through the laptop?
2021-11-13 11:32:57	Mion	other than that you can write a xorg conf loads both drivers and then play with xrandr
2021-11-13 11:32:57	Mion	may or may not work, ymmv
2021-11-13 11:32:57	noze	yeah that's what I'm worried about. It's a common loss of perf on egpu, so I'd rather plug my monitor right into the egpu
2021-11-13 11:32:57	earnestly	Tom^: ^
2021-11-13 11:32:57	Mion	tb egpu is troublesome enough on its owm
2021-11-13 11:32:57	Mion	own*
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2021-11-13 11:32:57	noze	yeah if anyone has pointers that are a bit more specific than the arch wiki that'd be great...
2021-11-13 11:32:57	noze	the wiki does describe gpu provider offloading; I tried that but couldn't get it to work
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2021-11-13 11:32:57	noze	is that what I should be looking at?
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2021-11-13 11:32:57	Mion	https://bpa.st/RLVQ  might have to add busid, cursor constrain etc too
2021-11-13 11:32:57	phrik	Title: View paste RLVQ (at bpa.st)
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2021-11-13 11:32:57	noze	it sounds like that'd cause the scenario demonicmaniac1 mentioned, basically routing the video signal back through the intell gpu after rendering, bottlenecking gpu perf via tb throughput in the process 
2021-11-13 11:32:57	Mion	no, should be direct
2021-11-13 11:32:57	Mion	(except for the bits where xorg sucks of course)
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2021-11-13 11:32:57	noze	(I was referring to the "Prime GPU offloading" method on the arch wiki)
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2021-11-13 11:32:57	Tom^	earnestly: wut
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2021-11-13 11:32:57	Tom^	earnestly: ah hm well using both displays at the same time is gonna be uh troubling
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2021-11-13 11:33:07	Tom^	even if you use PRIME or whatever, you are gonna have to connect both displays to the onboard in that case. because otherwise you simply end up with two X serves running essentially, so the integration between the displays will be a bit uh non existent.
2021-11-13 11:34:03	Tom^	X sucks. windows deals with this MUCH better. :p
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2021-11-13 11:34:33	Tom^	earnestly: there is this xrandr provider sink/source deal that i havent touched yet, that maybe does it better nowadays
2021-11-13 11:34:52	◣	progandy (~progandy@user/progandy) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2021-11-13 11:35:25	earnestly	I remember you concluding that both have to be connected to the internal if you want the laptop screen to function but wasn't sure of it
2021-11-13 11:35:49	earnestly	noze: ^ fwiw
2021-11-13 11:36:36	Tom^	yeah somewhat. but i havent fiddled enough with the xrandr setprovideroutputsource // setprovideroffloadsink , but it still will at most be running some PRIME magic meaning loss of performance
2021-11-13 11:37:36	Tom^	havent been much of an issue for me tbh, if i ever plug something into the hdmi im not bothered with whats on the laptop monitor. :P
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2021-11-13 11:38:33	Tom^	earnestly: there is also this muxless/muxed situation. some laptops that has the right setup can use some kind of bios level/driver level? switch to let the nvidia gpu handle the onboard monitor.
2021-11-13 11:38:48	Tom^	mine doesnt, so idk.
2021-11-13 11:39:20	demonicmaniac1	with optimus yes with egpu never
2021-11-13 11:39:40	earnestly	Tom^: They want monitor attached to egpu but also the laptop screen (igpu) functioning while both share the same x session.  I don't think this is possible (perhaps implementable but I'm not sure even there)
2021-11-13 11:39:48	earnestly	That is, without having to copy at least somewhere
2021-11-13 11:39:54	noze	I did have an attempt at setprovideroffloadsink and friends, but couldn't get that to work. I'll update the laptop now, reboot, and have another stab at it. But yeah, basically I just want to get what Windows does out of the box (it's amazing how easy egpu is on W nowadays)
2021-11-13 11:40:02	◣	Enitin (~Enitin@82.102.22.84) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2021-11-13 11:40:11	Tom^	earnestly: yeah
2021-11-13 11:40:22	earnestly	Windows may just be doing that copy
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2021-11-14 10:52:20	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1298 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1298 normals)
2021-11-14 10:31:40	jbm	karrq, lol
2021-11-14 10:31:45	jbm	karrq, yeah.. cna't sleep
2021-11-14 10:31:55	karrq	I mean I didn't configure the uuid myself, but by grub-mkconfig... but I'll copy what grub made automatically and modify it a bit to try stuff
2021-11-14 10:32:01	jbm	perhaps i have to blame covid
2021-11-14 10:32:19	jbm	karrq, this  jbox? lol
2021-11-14 10:32:24	karrq	nope
2021-11-14 10:32:31	jbm	that guy is nuts
2021-11-14 10:32:40	karrq	still around, right jbox?
2021-11-14 10:32:58	jbox	jbm: welcome back, sorry to see this superblock stuff is keeping you awake at night too ;)
2021-11-14 10:33:01	jbm	I may have presumed innocnence for a misstep -- he's trying to restore something 1 TB..
2021-11-14 10:33:20	jbm	jbox, void windows -- go straight for the arch-native rescue boot---
2021-11-14 10:33:34	gabbiel	so for me, the instructions said to use root=PARTUUID=<uuid-here>, but I just used root=/dev/sda2
2021-11-14 10:34:01	jbm	jbox, those I/O errors are suspicious -- yet I have zero experience about isng the "interface paths" (\\.\SCSI instead of \\.\PhysicalDrive*)
2021-11-14 10:34:03	jbox	I haven't tried that because it would be less convenient to search the web and stuff for help, but I'll try that in a few minutes when I close everything I have open
2021-11-14 10:34:21	jbm	gabbiel, ?
2021-11-14 10:34:32	jbm	gabbiel, PARTUUID makes more sense for GPT tables/partitions
2021-11-14 10:34:41	jbox	I don't think the interface paths are a concern because everything looks exactly like it does natively from a live usb
2021-11-14 10:34:49	jbm	gabbiel, it's not the same as UUID -- thought they're almost the same thing
2021-11-14 10:34:51	jbox	s/like it does/like it should
2021-11-14 10:35:05	jbm	gabbiel, ,./though./ they're almost the same thing
2021-11-14 10:35:06	gabbiel	maybe it doesn't translate to your usecase, the context here is efistub kernel parameters
2021-11-14 10:35:34	jbm	jbox, can you get the same checksum wit the native boot as well?
2021-11-14 10:35:50	karrq	root=xxx is kernel parameter, so it doesn't matter between booloaders
2021-11-14 10:35:51	jbm	jbox, dd if=/dev/[nvme device] of=/dev/null bs=100M count=1 | md5sum -
2021-11-14 10:35:52	jbox	jbm, out of curiosity, how do you know so much about all of this? done a lot of work with drives?
2021-11-14 10:35:56	karrq	I mean, it should be okay with any
2021-11-14 10:36:01	jbm	jbox, I've been using linux for over a decade..
2021-11-14 10:36:12	jbox	jbm: good question, I'll note the checksum down before I reboot
2021-11-14 10:36:43	jbox	jbm: well I've been using it for half a decade and I didn't know what a superblock is
2021-11-14 10:36:45	jbm	jbox, it's not much skill to understand this, it's basically there clustered on the web..
2021-11-14 10:37:00	karrq	btw, does anybody know why we went from simple human readable root=/dev/sda to root=PARTUUID=bajillionhex?
2021-11-14 10:37:04	jbm	jbox, storage works like a ruler -- [  ]   everything cannot criss-cross
2021-11-14 10:37:22	jbm	jbox, that's why it is called LBA logical block storage --- "Logical Block Addressing"
2021-11-14 10:38:00	jbm	jbox, it keeps things simple for the computer designer to not care how storage controllers do their own thing.
2021-11-14 10:38:16	jbm	jbox, all you have to care about is you are working with LBA sector 0 and +++
2021-11-14 10:38:40	jbox	ah right
2021-11-14 10:38:41	gabbiel	jbm: didn't even know partuuid was different, maybe that's why my boot wasn't working
2021-11-14 10:38:56	jbm	gabbiel, PARTUUID is the partition id -- as from the partitoin table.
2021-11-14 10:39:21	jbm	gabbiel, the UUID is sometimes labelled as the "fsuuid" with other utilities --- "filesystem uuids" are embedded in the superblock of the filesystem.
2021-11-14 10:40:12	jbm	gabbiel, if you make an EXT2 filesystem... and check its uuid with file -s or lsblk, and then redo mkfs.ext2 on the same partition.. the UUID(or called the fsuuid) will be different. 
2021-11-14 10:40:19	jbm	^ the PARTUUID will always be the same.
2021-11-14 10:40:22	gabbiel	lmao i was using fsuuid, and all i had to do was put "2" instead
2021-11-14 10:40:28	karrq	I also found out last time I set this laptop up that PARTUUID is not the same as UUID, because I copied over the wrong one and I noticed the "format" looked different
2021-11-14 10:40:28	jbm	^^ unless you touch the partition table itself..
2021-11-14 10:40:33	jbm	gabbiel, ^
2021-11-14 10:41:15	jbm	if you change the PARTUUID, it doesn't change the filesystem UUID
2021-11-14 10:42:15	karrq	booooooooom I'm iiin!!
2021-11-14 10:42:19	gabbiel	niceee
2021-11-14 10:42:33	jbm	it's confusing because it's more than an unnecesary option ---  the 3rd option is to use LABEL=  - - provided you gave your superblock a label name (tune2fs can be used to add a label)
2021-11-14 10:42:39	karrq	so what I did was change grub to use the "legacy" stuff, so no partuuid but nice readable /dev/mapper/cryptbtrfs
2021-11-14 10:42:53	karrq	and also pass cryptdevice=/dev/nvme0n1p8:cryptbtrfs to my kernel
2021-11-14 10:43:07	karrq	that's what was missing, and what it couldn't find when booting
2021-11-14 10:43:47	karrq	now, onto "porting" this to refind so I can have a bit nicer boot screen...! I'm so glad I see this glorious tty1
2021-11-14 10:46:05	jbm	your cryptsetup hooks should generally try to go into the initrd image in order to be successufl
2021-11-14 10:46:19	jbm	(notably for "/")
2021-11-14 10:46:36	karrq	what do you mean? how can I do that? honestly that sounds awesome
2021-11-14 10:47:34	jbm	grub has a funny workaround setting (it's on its site)-- usually it is omitted I think from /etc/default/grub -- that is probably too difficult to do, so general instructions is to place your boot things on a USB or a non-encrypted boot partition
2021-11-14 10:47:57	jbm	-- this is especially if "/" is a raid1 setup.
2021-11-14 10:48:18	gabbiel	refind looks nice, I will only ever run arch so no need for me I guess
2021-11-14 10:48:19	jbm	^^ that is even more interesting -- I don't think it can do any more complex raid levels than that..
2021-11-14 10:48:52	gabbiel	made the mistake of installing pop-os 2 days ago, immediately switched back 
2021-11-14 10:48:56	jbm	(raid1/+luks+ ,  /dev/md0 being "/") << i have a few systems setup this way ...
2021-11-14 10:48:57	karrq	well I have my boot things in an unencrypted boot partition
2021-11-14 10:49:07	karrq	md0? 
2021-11-14 10:49:18	jbm	.ideally i shouldn't for best security -- instead it should be booting from a key...
2021-11-14 10:49:31	jbm	karrq, software-raid
2021-11-14 10:49:35	jbm	karrq, mdadm
2021-11-14 10:49:39	karrq	ah I see
2021-11-14 10:49:48	jbm	karrq, with cryptsetup on top of it... lol
2021-11-14 10:49:56	karrq	so whose setup was complicated? mine? what?
2021-11-14 10:49:57	karrq	xd
2021-11-14 10:50:09	jbm	karrq, mine is... 
2021-11-14 10:50:23	jbm	karrq, well i have two personal kioks with that configuration...
2021-11-14 10:50:34	gabbiel	damn, you guys are on another level, I wish i could do all this, ill stick with my nsa friendly machine for now
2021-11-14 10:50:38	jbm	karrq, not kiosk, but servers for a little kisoks network
2021-11-14 10:51:11	jbox_	okay, irccloud is ready to rumble
2021-11-14 10:51:58	jbm	karrq, understanding that when you are working with virtual, it all becomes supportive either in /dev/mapper/* or you can practice with "losetup" /dev/loop* things...
2021-11-14 10:52:09	karrq	buuut yeah I mean somebody said my setup is "horrible complicated"...
2021-11-14 10:52:12	karrq	dunno about that 
2021-11-14 10:52:20	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-11-14 10:52:30	jbm	karrq, you don't need (physical) multiple storage devices to practice mdadm... or luks --- you can use losetup and work with loopback devices to get a hang of things..
2021-11-14 10:52:45	karrq	ah I guess I'll learn raid when the time comes hahah
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2021-11-20 11:55:05	earnestly	Not that it matters as much, i.e. https://xkcd.com/1200/
2021-11-20 11:55:07	phrik	Title: xkcd: Authorization (at xkcd.com)
2021-11-20 11:55:27	earnestly	But it doesn't have to be necessarily about root permissions, could be more abstracted
2021-11-20 12:02:53	Gaboradon	I should start reading the wiki going forward and all after getting youtube's overview, but a question, are arch-based derivatives (manjaro) okay when talking about support here or generally not ... ubuntu has that super strict just wondering how it's here
2021-11-20 12:03:11	rcf	It is also strict. 
2021-11-20 12:03:37	Gaboradon	Ok
2021-11-20 12:03:51	AlexC	yes, manjaro has their own forum, we're not gonna help here anything but arch only stuff
2021-11-20 12:04:12	alad	unless you downloaded the iso from archlinux.org and used the install guide from archlinux.org, don't expect support here
2021-11-20 12:04:47	AlexC	oh, the new installer is a crap imo
2021-11-20 12:04:59	AlexC	i didn't figure out what is what/where
2021-11-20 12:05:05	AlexC	so i ended up the manual way kek
2021-11-20 12:05:29	AlexC	it's absolutely not straight forward
2021-11-20 12:05:29	alad	!shurg
2021-11-20 12:05:30	phrik	乁║ ˙ 益 ˙ ║ㄏ
2021-11-20 12:05:54	AlexC	i don't mind to install manually, no issue there
2021-11-20 12:05:59	AlexC	just wanted to try
2021-11-20 12:06:09	AlexC	but rather not using it furthermore.
2021-11-20 12:06:10	AlexC	:D
2021-11-20 12:06:11	alad	AlexC: try archboot
2021-11-20 12:06:20	alad	it's a seperate iso on the website/mirrors
2021-11-20 12:06:29	rcf	All I can say is that it is highly, highly amusing to see an official install script and then look back at old rhetoric against installers.... from even a few days before it launched. 
2021-11-20 12:06:58	MacGyver	And after.
2021-11-20 12:07:02	MacGyver	Months after.
2021-11-20 12:07:17	AlexC	i don't know why bother to include that, i've used an ncurses bash script, that was fantastic.
2021-11-20 12:07:23	AlexC	forgot the name...
2021-11-20 12:07:23	alad	rcf: "we're gun be overrun by nubs!!!!! ARM THE MEN"
2021-11-20 12:08:05	AlexC	ah, archfi and archdi
2021-11-20 12:08:10	alad	those things are a nightmare
2021-11-20 12:08:11	MacGyver	I still think it shouldn't include the default recipe, but *shrug*.
2021-11-20 12:08:12	AlexC	these are fantastic scripts.
2021-11-20 12:08:18	alad	right....
2021-11-20 12:08:31	AlexC	for me then
2021-11-20 12:08:31	AlexC	:D
2021-11-20 12:09:17	alad	MacGyver: if it was advertised as an install library instead of an install script, we'd have had none of those snobbish complaints
2021-11-20 12:10:01	teraflops	what's wrong with disagreeing? 
2021-11-20 12:10:14	alad	nothing, there's something wrong about the way people disagreed
2021-11-20 12:10:29	alad	maybe you missed the aggressive snobbism on forums and other places
2021-11-20 12:10:40	teraflops	ah I missed that indeed
2021-11-20 12:11:01	teraflops	I'm my case I do not have an opinion as I never used it
2021-11-20 12:11:32	AlexC	i going to stick the manual way also probably :)
2021-11-20 12:12:28	wyre	hi guys, my nvidia driver doesn't find the screens
2021-11-20 12:12:38	wyre	so xorg cannot start
2021-11-20 12:12:47	teraflops	!xorg logs
2021-11-20 12:12:48	phrik	teraflops: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
2021-11-20 12:12:49	teraflops	!xorg log
2021-11-20 12:12:50	phrik	xorg's log can be found in one of several places: the system journal, /var/log/ or $HOME/.local/share/xorg/
2021-11-20 12:13:50	Cirrus_Minor	wyre: ensure using correct driver for card
2021-11-20 12:14:32	Cirrus_Minor	390xx and 340xx in aur (use dkms)
2021-11-20 12:14:43	wyre	I've installed nvidia-dkms 
2021-11-20 12:15:43	wyre	Cirrus_Minor, https://bpa.st/IZ4Q
2021-11-20 12:15:44	phrik	Title: View paste IZ4Q (at bpa.st)
2021-11-20 12:16:34	AlexC	wyre, you have a crear error:
2021-11-20 12:16:36	AlexC	[   101.010] (WW) NVIDIA(0): The NVIDIA GeForce GT 740 GPU installed in this system is
2021-11-20 12:16:36	AlexC	[   101.010] (WW) NVIDIA(0):     supported through the NVIDIA 470.xx Legacy drivers. Please
2021-11-20 12:16:57	Cirrus_Minor	yup
2021-11-20 12:17:03	AlexC	that card is not supported with 495 driver anymore
2021-11-20 12:17:06	Cirrus_Minor	as suspected
2021-11-20 12:18:16	wyre	AlexC, Cirrus_Minor so ... what's the corresponding package in arch repos? 🤔
2021-11-20 12:18:24	AlexC	none
2021-11-20 12:18:27	AlexC	you can fine in AUR
2021-11-20 12:18:30	AlexC	find*
2021-11-20 12:18:38	AlexC	or maybe nvidia-lts ?
2021-11-20 12:18:51	AlexC	no, not
2021-11-20 12:18:54	AlexC	aur.
2021-11-20 12:19:06	AlexC	or use TkG-s PKGBUILD to install nvidia 470 driver
2021-11-20 12:19:25	AlexC	https://github.com/Frogging-Family/nvidia-all
2021-11-20 12:19:33	AlexC	this is what I use mainly
2021-11-20 12:19:41	AlexC	not recommended, but works.
2021-11-20 12:19:51	wyre	AlexC, you mean the nvidia-470xx-dkms? 
2021-11-20 12:19:52	AlexC	never had a problem with it
2021-11-20 12:20:01	Cirrus_Minor	aur/nvidia-470xx-dkms 470.86-3 (33, 24.305127) 
2021-11-20 12:20:01	AlexC	ye you can use that
2021-11-20 12:20:13	wyre	thank you guys 😀
2021-11-20 12:20:31	Cirrus_Minor	rremove all current nvidia stuff
2021-11-20 12:20:40	AlexC	it will conflict anyway
2021-11-20 12:20:44	AlexC	:P
2021-11-20 12:25:52	teraflops	how old is a GT 740, 8 years? so is that what nvidia keeps supporting stuff?
2021-11-20 12:25:57	teraflops	not that bad I guess
2021-11-20 12:26:28	wyre	teraflops, I need a new one, I know 😞
2021-11-20 12:26:45	teraflops	wyre: it depends on our needs I suppose
2021-11-20 12:26:51	teraflops	your^
2021-11-20 12:27:15	⚡ 	MacGyver mumbles something about not needing this kind of shit if the driver was open source.
2021-11-20 12:27:40	teraflops	I can sell you my rtx 2060s, I want an RTX 3xxx :P
2021-11-20 12:27:47	alad	teraflops: how many $
2021-11-20 12:28:01	teraflops	idk what's its price 2nd hand tbh
2021-11-20 12:28:15	alad	1 million dollars
2021-11-20 12:28:19	MacGyver	More than you paid for it.
2021-11-20 12:28:20	teraflops	lol
2021-11-20 12:28:27	riv	400 quid
2021-11-20 12:28:36	riv	in uk
2021-11-20 12:28:40	teraflops	I accep dogecoins
2021-11-20 12:28:42	alad	rip
2021-11-20 12:29:23	AlexC	i have a 3070 :P
2021-11-20 12:29:27	⚡ 	zeraphel mentions something about IGPUs being enough
2021-11-20 12:29:41	teraflops	AlexC: does it do AV1 hw dec?
2021-11-20 12:29:45	riv	igpu is good enough for minecraft
2021-11-20 12:29:53	AlexC	it does yes
2021-11-20 12:29:56	teraflops	dang
2021-11-20 12:30:31	AlexC	the only thing I really missing is the nvidia-broadcast now
2021-11-20 12:30:37	AlexC	:/
2021-11-20 12:33:05	AlexC	and the lacking ray-tracing and tensor stuff
2021-11-20 12:33:22	AlexC	but thats not linux fault apparently..
2021-11-20 12:33:23	AlexC	:)
2021-11-20 12:33:23	teraflops	that's because the linux driver I suppose
2021-11-20 12:33:32	teraflops	ah yeah
2021-11-20 12:33:34	AlexC	and the SDK is not available on linux
2021-11-20 12:33:35	teraflops	dang lag
2021-11-20 12:33:52	AlexC	it is closed beta
2021-11-20 12:33:59	AlexC	so we can expect sooner or later
2021-11-20 12:34:13	AlexC	nvidia-broadcast is really handy
2021-11-20 12:34:16	AlexC	rtx voice and stuff
2021-11-20 12:34:25	AlexC	fake greenscreen as I used a lot
2021-11-20 12:34:30	AlexC	that was really handy
2021-11-20 12:34:49	AlexC	occasionly I stream, so it would be nice to have
2021-11-20 12:36:24	AlexC	and steam really pushing proton compat and refine the games as well to work on the steam deck/and linux probably
2021-11-20 12:36:35	AlexC	so catching up, good progress
2021-11-20 12:36:42	AlexC	really looking forward to it
2021-11-20 12:43:58	teraflops	I'd like to see steam doing 10bit colour
2021-11-20 12:44:24	teraflops	right now it crashes badly
2021-11-20 13:01:14	SysGhost	10 bit colour? *hmmm* that's about 1024 colours
2021-11-20 13:01:31	⚡ 	SysGhost prefers 32 bit argb ;)
2021-11-20 13:03:21	teraflops	SysGhost: 10bit is the closest you can go to HDR on linux if I got it right
2021-11-20 13:03:54	teraflops	lot of issues tho
2021-11-20 13:03:55	Scimmia	SysGhost: 1024 for each of the 3 primary colors
2021-11-20 13:04:08	SysGhost	aha... 10 bit subpixel 
2021-11-20 13:04:16	SysGhost	that's a different story =)
2021-11-20 13:04:52	teraflops	chromium does not do hw dec, steams fails to launch and so on
2021-11-20 13:04:58	SysGhost	Although... do one really need that? Most screens only got 6 or 8 bit subpixel rendering
2021-11-20 13:05:30	SysGhost	the cheaper 6 bit ones use dithering to hide their poor performance.
2021-11-20 13:05:42	AlexC	teraflops: https://imgur.com/OuXDzHN.png
2021-11-20 13:05:47	teraflops	xorg depth 24 is too 90's
2021-11-20 13:05:48	Scimmia	teraflops: did you turn it on?
2021-11-20 13:05:52	teraflops	yeah
2021-11-20 13:06:07	teraflops	I disabled as I want to actually play games xD
2021-11-20 13:06:17	Scimmia	there's a very long thread on the forums about it
2021-11-20 13:06:44	teraflops	you can notice the difference on how it looks that's for sure
2021-11-20 13:07:37	teraflops	AlexC: lol If I set all green here half of the text is not rendered 
2021-11-20 13:08:14	AlexC	works for me
2021-11-20 13:08:26	teraflops	maybe I enabled something else
2021-11-20 13:12:13	teraflops	AlexC: oh wait, I set all green while testing 10bit colors, enabling vulkan turns the screen green xD
2021-11-20 13:12:28	teraflops	iirc there's a patch going on for that
2021-11-20 13:12:36	teraflops	same for mesa
2021-11-20 13:15:21	AlexC	HDR is broken in linux
2021-11-20 13:15:29	AlexC	don't even try to get it working
2021-11-20 13:15:29	AlexC	:D
2021-11-20 13:15:46	AlexC	plasma has some HDR patches already, maybe thats working now
2021-11-20 13:15:58	AlexC	but other than that, i have no idea what's going on
2021-11-20 13:16:32	SysGhost	Maybe devs should get wayland working well before adding luxury functions to it... just saying...
2021-11-20 13:16:51	jelle	SysGhost: wayland works :)
2021-11-20 13:17:07	SysGhost	For me wayland is a crashy buggy crap that screws up everything
2021-11-20 13:17:18	jelle	report bugs :)
2021-11-20 13:17:30	AlexC	wayland needs another 10 years to come around.
2021-11-20 13:17:32	SysGhost	I have.
2021-11-20 13:17:39	jelle	SysGhost: \o/
2021-11-20 13:17:42	SysGhost	and most of it is already reported by others
2021-11-20 13:18:21	SysGhost	wayland + multiscreen setups = one heck of a buggy mess that's so bad, it's amazing it even exists.
2021-11-20 13:18:32	AlexC	xwayland isn't perfect either
2021-11-20 13:18:44	AlexC	nvidia + wayland is also a crap experience
2021-11-20 13:18:47	AlexC	so..
2021-11-20 13:18:51	AlexC	:/
2021-11-20 13:18:52	Gagis	wayland + nvidia too, tho thats supposedly getting patches
2021-11-20 13:18:55	Gagis	heh, echo
2021-11-20 13:19:03	jelle	maybe it's time you guys read into how many people work on wayland fulltime ;-)
2021-11-20 13:19:04	AlexC	yeah coming slowly
2021-11-20 13:19:28	AlexC	it works with opensource drivers fine, intel works really well with wayland
2021-11-20 13:19:41	AlexC	no idea about amd cards
2021-11-20 13:19:44	Gagis	wayland needs more users to have a larger pool of potential developers and needs a larger pool of potential developers to have more potential users and...
2021-11-20 13:19:56	SysGhost	catch 22
2021-11-20 13:20:07	AlexC	wayland + gaming also not a good experience
2021-11-20 13:20:42	jelle	Gagis: I don't believe it for a bit
2021-11-20 13:20:42	DigitalKiwi	sounds like wayland not a good experience
2021-11-20 13:21:04	jelle	it works fine :)
2021-11-20 13:21:09	AlexC	for general use its fine, browsing web, coding stuff like that it's fine
2021-11-20 13:21:21	AlexC	but gaming/multimedia anything else, not yet there
2021-11-20 13:22:28	Gagis	with wayland + nvidia Electron applications and Chrome were a mess, as were qt apps under gnome, even when setting the renderer for each in config to wayland. I assume games would have ultimately worked at least trough xwayland
2021-11-20 13:22:43	Gagis	I'll give it another go when I can afford a AMD GPU
2021-11-20 13:23:09	AlexC	xwayland has a really high performance drop sadly
2021-11-20 13:23:15	AlexC	like 30-40%
2021-11-20 13:23:21	AlexC	so not recommended
2021-11-20 13:23:25	AlexC	at least on nvidia
2021-11-20 13:23:40	SysGhost	nvidia and linux is... wel... meh!
2021-11-20 13:24:02	AlexC	we know it's not linux's fault sadly
2021-11-20 13:24:02	SysGhost	'nuf about the ranting!
2021-11-20 13:24:05	AlexC	but hey..
2021-11-20 13:24:06	jelle	AlexC: xwayland is a stop gap measure imo
2021-11-20 13:24:19	Gagis	cursed be the gpu bubble. Id have bought a new one already if everything didnt cost infinite moneys
2021-11-20 13:24:35	AlexC	jelle, why tho?
2021-11-20 13:24:44	jelle	AlexC: the future is wayland?
2021-11-20 13:24:53	AlexC	i can agree with that yes
2021-11-20 13:25:10	AlexC	but what's gonna happen with old apps, whats need compatibility?
2021-11-20 13:25:12	AlexC	or games
2021-11-20 13:25:16	AlexC	in that matter
2021-11-20 13:25:30	AlexC	xwayland need refine for sure
2021-11-20 13:25:31	Gagis	theres a wayland patch for wine too already but IIRC its 2d only, not gpu acceleration. still really cool theres work going into that already
2021-11-20 13:25:34	SysGhost	xwayland is sitting as a bridge in between. Yes I agree there. Wayland should be the future. I could only wish I had the knowledge to help out
2021-11-20 13:25:47	AlexC	+1
2021-11-20 13:25:56	DigitalKiwi	is there a waymonad
2021-11-20 13:26:12	AlexC	waymonad is really early dev
2021-11-20 13:26:20	AlexC	not even usable not I think
2021-11-20 13:26:26	AlexC	-not
2021-11-20 13:26:27	AlexC	:P
2021-11-20 13:26:37	teraflops	guys the future of linux is windows wsl, not you can just run gui apps ootb and it uses xwayland :S
2021-11-20 13:26:41	DigitalKiwi	even usable not I think?
2021-11-20 13:26:51	AlexC	another not -not
2021-11-20 13:26:53	AlexC	XD
2021-11-20 13:26:56	SysGhost	teraflops: HEATHEN!
2021-11-20 13:27:06	teraflops	yeah that's pretty sad
2021-11-20 13:27:12	DigitalKiwi	even usable I think? wow great sign me up
2021-11-20 13:27:18	AlexC	bruh
2021-11-20 13:27:20	AlexC	:P
2021-11-20 13:27:21	DigitalKiwi	:D
2021-11-20 13:27:46	SysGhost	Although I have to say I am a bit impressed that Windows 11 wsl now can do graphical linux applications to a degree.
2021-11-20 13:27:54	teraflops	DigitalKiwi: there was a project time ago, but I thinks there's no wayland xmonad thing
2021-11-20 13:28:02	teraflops	think^
2021-11-20 13:28:18	AlexC	there is: https://github.com/waymonad/waymonad
2021-11-20 13:28:19	AlexC	:)
2021-11-20 13:28:38	teraflops	yeah that one, 4yo dude
2021-11-20 13:28:40	teraflops	haha
2021-11-20 13:28:47	SysGhost	...but I feel so dirty after touching a W11 computer... <scurries off to wash his hands>
2021-11-20 13:28:58	AlexC	just virtualize then
2021-11-20 13:29:07	AlexC	thats what I did, if I need a windblows computer
2021-11-20 13:30:39	AlexC	i've done a single gpu passthrough with virt-manager, passed through my usb host and done
2021-11-20 13:30:50	AlexC	tune a little bit cpu pinning and stuff
2021-11-20 13:30:53	AlexC	voila, works
2021-11-20 13:31:16	AlexC	native performance, virtio drivers are fine
2021-11-20 13:31:33	AlexC	virtio disk on nvme can do over 600MB/s read/write
2021-11-20 13:31:43	AlexC	pretty good, considering a virtual fs
2021-11-20 13:31:52	teraflops	heh I do have a windows 11 arm qemu instance on my m1 mac
2021-11-20 13:32:00	AlexC	uuu, lit
2021-11-20 13:32:15	AlexC	i've installed win10 only
2021-11-20 13:32:39	AlexC	enough for some gaming, i have rainbow six siege installed in that vm
2021-11-20 13:32:44	AlexC	works fine
2021-11-20 13:35:32	AlexC	here is the benchmark
2021-11-20 13:35:33	AlexC	https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/327855344531406849/902996351506329600/unknown.png?width=1202&height=676
2021-11-20 13:35:51	AlexC	running in that vm
2021-11-20 13:36:14	Gagis	whats the performance loss compared to just using proton?
2021-11-20 13:36:39	AlexC	you cannot play Siege with proton
2021-11-20 13:36:54	Gagis	rootkit anticheat?
2021-11-20 13:36:57	AlexC	yus
2021-11-20 13:37:13	AlexC	this is the ONLY game I cannot play on linux
2021-11-20 13:37:39	AlexC	it runs with proton without anticheat tho, but you cannot enter any match
2021-11-20 13:39:51	AlexC	BUT, steam has Battleye Runtime now baked into it
2021-11-20 13:39:58	AlexC	soooo there is a little hope
2021-11-20 13:40:00	AlexC	:D
2021-11-20 13:40:25	AlexC	ubisoft literally need to write an email to battleye to enable proton players
2021-11-20 13:40:29	AlexC	thats it
2021-11-20 13:40:53	Gagis	yeah thats the case for a couple of the popular rootkits. just a setting the developer/publisher needs to enable to allow proton or wine to pass
2021-11-20 13:41:14	AlexC	yes, PUBG, Siege, Apex
2021-11-20 13:41:20	Gagis	whatever is used for division 2 was one too
2021-11-20 13:41:31	Gagis	I can never remember which tool is which
2021-11-20 13:41:43	AlexC	2 most popular is EAC and Battleye
2021-11-20 13:41:50	AlexC	and VAC
2021-11-20 13:41:51	AlexC	:P
2021-11-20 13:42:09	AlexC	and Denuvo which is DRM shitcrap
2021-11-20 13:42:12	AlexC	has issues as well
2021-11-20 13:44:59	SysGhost	Denuvo... geee that sh*thole. I remember the debacles they made with Doom Eternal. They promised Bethesda that their DRM and anticheat would work well under proton. Then Bethesda decide to update it. Result: Doom Eternal no longer works with proton in any way or shape. Denuvo: "Uuups... we screwed up. But Meh... doesn't matter. It's not like Linux is of any concern anyway. Let's just ignore it."
2021-11-20 13:46:07	SysGhost	result: rage on steam with downvotes hurting sales. Bethesta decide due to the pressure to back off and temporarily remove the anticheat in some crippled manner.
2021-11-20 13:46:08	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-11-20 13:46:57	SysGhost	Seems that 0.9% was louder than they could imagine.
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2021-11-20 13:47:52	teraflops	hmm, I'm still trying to figure out how to play skyrim in 21:9 
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2021-11-20 13:50:53	AlexC	skyrim 21:9? i think you need a mod for that
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2021-11-20 13:57:08	AlexC	teraflops, https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/1778
2021-11-20 13:57:09	phrik	Title: Complete Widescreen Fix for Vanilla and SkyUI 2.2 and 5.2 SE at Skyrim Special Edition Nexus - Mods and Community (at www.nexusmods.com)
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2021-11-20 13:57:40	teraflops	hmm thanks a lot
2021-11-20 13:57:56	AlexC	np
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2021-11-20 14:01:27	arseru	Hi! I'm looking at pacman/Rosetta for the AW, and I have a question: how safe is to run `pacman -Qdtq | pacman -Rs -`? This is the output of `pacman -Qdtq`: http://ix.io/3FxA
2021-11-20 14:01:36	arseru	*from the AW
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2021-11-20 14:09:07	bud	arseru, you can insert a grep in the pipe to remove stuff from the list.
2021-11-20 14:09:30	thrice	does anything on the list scream "I definitely need that?"
2021-11-20 14:09:31	bud	pacman -Qdtq | grep -vE 'lv2|lua51|js68'
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2021-11-20 14:12:20	linearbit	I remember that old wayland versions had issues with proprietary nvidia drivers - is it currently possible/worth it to install wayland instead of xorg when running them?
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2021-11-20 14:12:42	thrice	"worth" what?
2021-11-20 14:12:56	arseru	thrice: that's what I'm not sure about, I mean, these are supposed to be dependencies that are no longer needed? So it would be safe to remove all of them, because in case some package needs it, it will install them again, right?
2021-11-20 14:12:56	thrice	depends on your needs, and only your needs
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2021-11-20 14:13:03	arseru	bud: thanks for the tip! :)
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2021-11-20 14:13:22	thrice	arseru: that's right - unless you see anything on that list you personally depend on, it's probably safe
2021-11-20 14:13:24	nunux	hows it going
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2021-11-20 14:14:34	linearbit	thrice, I think what I'm most curious about is just if there are still serious issues when running wayland with proprietary nvidia drivers
2021-11-20 14:15:11	Gagis	there were enough issues I switched back to X but depending on your use case it might be ok
2021-11-20 14:15:20	arseru	thrice: I'll try it then :P
2021-11-20 14:15:20	Gagis	I used gnome and it might be less buggy with KDE?
2021-11-20 14:15:23	arseru	wish me luck
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2021-11-20 14:16:44	linearbit	hmm yeah based on that I guess I'll set up X for now and maybe try switching to wayland a bit later down the line
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2021-11-20 14:32:14	wyre	hi guys, sometimes google-chrome-stable won't load ...
2021-11-20 14:32:30	wyre	I've tried by removing the cache and the profiles several times but it still doesn't load properly
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2021-11-20 14:37:06	s0lid7	Maybe be run in from terminal and look the output?
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2021-11-20 14:40:53	earnestly	demonicm1niac1: https://www.xyte.ch/t700-crowdfunding/
2021-11-20 14:40:55	phrik	Title: T700 Crowdfunding – XY Tech (at www.xyte.ch)
2021-11-20 14:41:42	alad	people must really love the T60
2021-11-20 14:41:52	wyre	s0lid7, I just can see something like this "ERROR:sandbox_linux.cc(378)] InitializeSandbox() called with multiple threads in process gpu-process."
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2021-11-20 14:47:36	wyre	s0lid7, sometimes it starts but sometimes it won't ... I don't get anything 🤔
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2021-11-20 14:52:12	wyre	the problem is apparently I'd not installed gnome-keyring s0lid7 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=270871
2021-11-20 14:52:12	phrik	Title: [Solved] chrome won't start in gnome / Applications & Desktop Environments / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2021-11-20 14:53:13	haibar	Has anyone been experiencing kernel/gpu hangs after updating recently?
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2021-11-20 15:00:16	MrElendig	!give haibar bugs
2021-11-20 15:00:17	phrik	haibar: Bugs?! Arch Linux has no bugs! Oh.. wait.. https://bugs.archlinux.org
2021-11-20 15:01:00	haibar	Hmm must be a hardware issue then
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2021-11-20 15:01:47	MrElendig	tip: include closed bugs in your search
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2021-11-20 15:02:02	MrElendig	tl;dr amd is fucked again
2021-11-20 15:02:08	haibar	yee i know 
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2021-11-20 15:12:55	alad	svenstaro: how does telegram depend on pipewire O_O
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2021-11-20 15:14:00	svenstaro	well it does
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2021-11-23 19:18:31	scrazen	I think the package you want is called blueberry
2021-11-23 19:19:29	scrazen	At least from reading https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/cinnamon#Cinnamon_settings
2021-11-23 19:19:30	phrik	Title: Cinnamon - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-23 19:20:21	keir	follow up question to my earlier one, is there any preference between Laptop Mode Tools, TLP, and PowerTOP?
2021-11-23 19:20:45	keir	it's hard differentiate what is the better option to try out
2021-11-23 19:21:09	greenhamster	scrazen: awesome, halfway there: starting blueberry directly results in the menu I was missing. It just didn't add itself to the systems settings. But now I know what to google for. Thanks!
2021-11-23 19:23:57	Velvet	my bluetooth works fine in cinnamon
2021-11-23 19:24:36	Tom^	keir: i just went through what laptop mode tools sets and made the appropiate settings myself instead of relying on a tool for that but thats me :p. https://github.com/rickysarraf/laptop-mode-tools
2021-11-23 19:24:37	Velvet	on a lenovo laptop
2021-11-23 19:25:41	greenhamster	So after install it wasn't in the System Settings but after searching for it in System Settings it appeared. Some outdated cache maybe. But problem solved, thanks a lot!
2021-11-23 19:26:10	scrazen	Arch wiki says "Laptop Mode Tools — Utility to configure laptop power saving settings, considered by many to be the de facto utility for power saving though may take a bit of configuration." Manjaro wiki says "TLP is the most commonly used option for automatic power management."
2021-11-23 19:30:04	keir	that just says what they are
2021-11-23 19:38:06	vd	hi there -- trying to install arch from latest iso on my desktop NVMe and the initramfs fails like this, keyboard doesn't work anymore: https://i.imgur.com/wBNkG9t.jpeg
2021-11-23 19:38:54	vd	md5 is correct, signature is verified. How the initramfs unpacking can be corrupt?
2021-11-23 19:42:10	jkc	md5? party like its 1999
2021-11-23 19:42:36	greenhamster	vd faulty USB stick maybe? You also could try an older install ISO, once you updated your installed packages it shouldn't make a difference.
2021-11-23 19:42:37	jkc	Anyway, something garbled your initramfs.
2021-11-23 19:44:02	linearbit	vd, I had a comparable issue a few days ago and in my case it was the usb stick that was the issue
2021-11-23 19:44:39	vd	greenhamster linearbit seems like it. I'll burn it again. dd without options and wait for a while?
2021-11-23 19:45:08	linearbit	yeah you can just use one of the recommended commands from the wiki
2021-11-23 19:45:31	⚡ 	vd searches the wiki
2021-11-23 19:45:42	jkc	vd: cp file.iso /dev/sdx
2021-11-23 19:45:57	linearbit	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/USB_flash_installation_medium#In_GNU/Linux
2021-11-23 19:45:58	phrik	Title: USB flash installation medium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-23 19:49:57	vd	would you guys encrypt the whole disk on your home desktop machine or that is stupid by definition? (assuming you have a lock on your home door ;-))
2021-11-23 19:50:41	jkc	I encrypt mine.
2021-11-23 19:50:54	jkc	I encrypt everything. No reason not to.
2021-11-23 19:50:57	greenhamster	Do you expect the NSA stealing your gear? I only encrypt my notebooks, but I understand is someone wants to encrypt everything. Your choice.
2021-11-23 19:52:00	rcf	It strongly depends on use case. 
2021-11-23 19:52:07	Velvet	if you're on laptop though...security is nice
2021-11-23 19:53:11	vd	laptop has FDE for sure, home server/desktop, meh, not sure if it's nice or cumbersome. Less likely robbed but it is happens, clair data is an unnecessary source of stress.
2021-11-23 19:55:05	jkc	I'm not particularly worried about someone coming in and yoinking my workstation, but it takes a little extra work during install, and then I don't really have to think about it again.
2021-11-23 19:55:08	vd	greenhamster linearbit it was indeed the stick. Not sure what happened. Now Arch is functional :)
2021-11-23 19:56:17	linearbit	Nicec
2021-11-23 20:16:03	ocherno	with my recent fiasco updating my office Intel/Nvidia box, I do praise myself for selecting AMT/ATI config for my home desktop recently. No problem with linux/ati drivers
2021-11-23 20:17:02	greenhamster	ocherno: driver - kernel mismatch? Or what was the issue?
2021-11-23 20:31:27	vd	Does one always to enable XMP on newer machines to use max RAM frequency?
2021-11-23 20:32:50	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-11-23 20:34:06	vd	always have to*
2021-11-23 20:34:21	vd	trying to understand why it isn't activated by default.
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2021-11-23 20:35:01	jkc	Better to leave it disabled and let it POST so you can turn it on than turn it on by default and prevent non-XMP modules from working until you can turn it off.
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2021-11-23 20:36:34	vd	jkc can linux enable it?
2021-11-23 20:37:11	ioni	yo
2021-11-23 20:37:54	jkc	vd: No, that's a UEFI/BIOS thing.
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2021-11-23 20:38:44	vd	jkc: then I don't understand what you suggested. I can enable XMP in the BIOS. Are you suggesting not to do it? When/where should I do it then?
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2021-11-23 20:42:58	jkc	What?
2021-11-23 20:43:09	jkc	You asked why it isn't enabled by default. I explained the rationale for why.
2021-11-23 20:43:46	jkc	If XMP was enabled by default, and the DIMMs in the system weren't capable of running with an XMP profile, you wouldn't be able to get into UEFI/BIOS to disable XMP. That's why its disabled by default, and you have to turn it on if you're running XMP-capable modules.
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2021-11-23 20:44:15	vd	jkc ho got it, I thought you suggested to leave it disabled.
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2021-11-23 20:45:16	vd	It's weird that it cannot be automatically detected and enabled if the RAM modules support it though
2021-11-23 20:45:33	vd	not very 2021 to enable such things yourself :P
2021-11-23 20:45:34	ocherno	greenhamster, new nvidia driver stopped working for my old card, but the kernel was updated already ... 
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2021-11-23 20:46:12	ocherno	so I have to keep kernel and nvidia from updating and bring everything 1-step back 
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2021-11-23 20:48:39	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-11-23 20:48:50	greenhamster	The 495 branch (e.g. 496.13) dropped Kepler (700 series IIRC)
2021-11-23 20:48:51	DigitalKiwi	booted and got a bunch of warnings and console only lol
2021-11-23 20:49:09	ocherno	I've tried nouveau ... but couldn't get acceptable results with two monitors ... 
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2021-11-23 20:49:26	DigitalKiwi	01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK107M [GeForce GT 750M Mac Edition] (rev a1)
2021-11-23 20:49:44	ocherno	for some reason did not recognize resolution on one of the two identical monitors
2021-11-23 20:50:06	teraflops	ocherno: same connection/cable type?
2021-11-23 20:50:09	greenhamster	GK107M is Kepler (K in GK stands for Kepler)
2021-11-23 20:50:18	ocherno	MESS... anyway, back to the proprietary driver and older kernel... 
2021-11-23 20:50:45	ocherno	teraflops, hdmi and dvi
2021-11-23 20:51:01	teraflops	so not exactly the same 
2021-11-23 20:51:19	ocherno	well, correct 
2021-11-23 20:51:57	teraflops	iirc the discontinued driver is in the AUR, there's no need to keep things not updated
2021-11-23 20:53:03	greenhamster	as long as Linus doesn't change the internal Kernel APIs breaking old binary drivers :-(
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2021-11-23 20:57:12	earnestly	greenhamster: internel abi/api changes all the time
2021-11-23 20:57:21	earnestly	nal*
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2021-11-23 20:57:44	greenhamster	yeah, sadly for this use case
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2021-11-23 21:04:20	juliademille	is it possible to make an AUR package that follows another's version and just adds a patch?
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2021-11-23 21:07:40	ℹ 	travisghansen4 es conocido ahora como travisghansen
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2021-11-23 21:09:04	Repentinus	Yes, but the question is why don't you get your patch in the upstream?
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2021-11-25 17:11:35	mingdao	ack
2021-11-25 17:11:37	kib	mingdao: except there really are no negative consequences for my use cases ;D
2021-11-25 17:12:06	kib	this discussion is pointless and just filling the chat up honestly, we should go to aot or drop it i think
2021-11-25 17:12:10	mingdao	kib: We're just answering your questions, but you deflect once we do.  It's all about personal choice ... PC
2021-11-25 17:12:22	rbh	alright lads.. just installed arch on ntfs
2021-11-25 17:12:25	kib	well thanks anyway 
2021-11-25 17:12:26	rbh	wish me luck
2021-11-25 17:12:31	SysGhost	=O
2021-11-25 17:12:31	kib	good luck rbh 
2021-11-25 17:12:37	⚡ 	SysGhost hides
2021-11-25 17:12:41	mingdao	rbh: Oh, that sounds like incest.
2021-11-25 17:12:42	⚡ 	jelle feels pain
2021-11-25 17:12:49	kib	next stop install arch on zfs
2021-11-25 17:12:56	rbh	im tying this for the memes
2021-11-25 17:12:57	rbh	https://gist.github.com/motorailgun/cc2c573f253d0893f429a165b5f851ee
2021-11-25 17:12:59	jelle	that's boring kib 
2021-11-25 17:13:04	SysGhost	kib: too easy. Next level: linux on hpfs
2021-11-25 17:13:09	kib	:O
2021-11-25 17:13:20	kib	I use arch on ext4, not even btrfs :O
2021-11-25 17:13:24	jelle	SysGhost: pingfs!
2021-11-25 17:13:31	SysGhost	not the Apple crap. The original IBM OS/2 fs
2021-11-25 17:14:13	SysGhost	jelle: right... although packet loss == fs corruption.
2021-11-25 17:14:24	jelle	lol
2021-11-25 17:14:40	SysGhost	pingfs raided
2021-11-25 17:14:47	kib	anyway thanks lads goodbye
2021-11-25 17:26:04	luigibu	hi! checking my network connections i see i have a lot of connection with name: veth53a8014 or similar.. is it normal?
2021-11-25 17:28:33	SysGhost	luigibu: you can see all the interfaces involved and what they are by a simple ls command: ls -la /sys/class/net
2021-11-25 17:29:10	luigibu	thanks! is cos.. Im having some issues.. and really dont know were to look at
2021-11-25 17:29:36	SysGhost	I'd guess it's some virtual interface. 
2021-11-25 17:29:48	twistero	pingfs? I must get that running over RFC 1149 IP over Avian Carriers
2021-11-25 17:29:56	luigibu	yes.. says.. virtual.. 
2021-11-25 17:30:02	luigibu	can i remove them?
2021-11-25 17:30:12	SysGhost	any idea what created it?
2021-11-25 17:30:28	twistero	are you using any container or virtual machine?
2021-11-25 17:30:30	luigibu	could be docker?
2021-11-25 17:30:52	twistero	yeah probably docker then
2021-11-25 17:30:56	SysGhost	ah.
2021-11-25 17:31:16	luigibu	but what is rare.. is that they get listed in my network widget.. 
2021-11-25 17:31:27	luigibu	i never seen this before
2021-11-25 17:31:45	SysGhost	I guess you can exclude them from your widget config
2021-11-25 17:31:57	SysGhost	KDE ?
2021-11-25 17:32:52	luigibu	i will try that.. 
2021-11-25 17:32:54	luigibu	thansk!
2021-11-25 17:33:10	luigibu	got more question.. but i must pick up my wife now.. :P
2021-11-25 17:33:12	luigibu	lucky you
2021-11-25 17:33:28	vd	what's the advantages of having a dedicated swap partition rather that a /swap.img file that you mkfs.swap?
2021-11-25 17:34:03	thrice	!whyswap
2021-11-25 17:34:03	phrik	https://chrisdown.name/2018/01/02/in-defence-of-swap.html
2021-11-25 17:34:52	alad	CyberShadow: does this do what you want? https://paste.xinu.at/ur64B/
2021-11-25 17:34:53	phrik	Title: stdin (at paste.xinu.at)
2021-11-25 17:35:21	alad	CyberShadow: it's similar to what you wrote in #840, but instead of nuking the repo, it removes any non-matching packages with repo-remove in a temporary copy
2021-11-25 17:37:43	SysGhost	Saved by the wife! ;)
2021-11-25 17:39:19	SysGhost	the swap sitation can be summed up in one sentence: "it's about making memory reclamation egalitarian and efficient."
2021-11-25 17:40:40	rbh	well, its done guys
2021-11-25 17:40:46	rbh	I hope you are all proud of me
2021-11-25 17:41:07	SysGhost	Some applications might even require a swap even if the machine have an insane amount of RAM. GIMP and other drawing/photo editing softwares for instance do take advantage of it when working with large projects
2021-11-25 17:41:48	alad	SysGhost: or when compiling any C++ project
2021-11-25 17:41:48	rbh	https://files.catbox.moe/6vgjrd.png
2021-11-25 17:42:03	rbh	both systems boot
2021-11-25 17:42:12	rbh	but I dont know how long arch will survive :)
2021-11-25 17:42:49	MacGyver	vd: There's no advantage to having a dedicated swap partition, other than handling hibernation.
2021-11-25 17:42:58	MacGyver	vd: Swap files have no filesystem overhead.
2021-11-25 17:43:18	rbh	Does installing linux on ntfs mess with anything other than permissions?
2021-11-25 17:43:22	Tom^	MacGyver: i guess bugs seems to occur more frequently with swap files tho :p recently the fallocate one.
2021-11-25 17:43:25	rbh	Everything else should be fine right?
2021-11-25 17:43:29	MacGyver	Tom^: Which was that?
2021-11-25 17:43:44	SysGhost	rbh: permissions... and I guess here... symlinks.
2021-11-25 17:43:45	MacGyver	I only run swap partitions because I hibernate, so I don't run into the bugs.
2021-11-25 17:44:00	rbh	Hmmm...
2021-11-25 17:44:19	rbh	I thought ntfs had soft/hardlink support. I guess ill test and afind out
2021-11-25 17:44:26	SysGhost	heck even hard links should be troublesome on ntfs. Although... there's little that uses hard links i na typical system afaik.
2021-11-25 17:44:31	Tom^	MacGyver: something about how fallocate creates it compared to dd iirc, and it crapped out on it recentlyish
2021-11-25 17:44:50	SysGhost	rbh: maybe it does. I know that older versions of ntfs didn't
2021-11-25 17:45:29	MacGyver	Tom^: Isn't that because swap always needs to be contiguous?
2021-11-25 17:45:36	MacGyver	I'd hardly call that a bug -- that's just plain user error.
2021-11-25 17:45:37	Nact	McGyver: swap files handle hibernation too?
2021-11-25 17:45:47	MacGyver	Nact: They do, but they're a bit of a pain to set up right.
2021-11-25 17:45:49	Tom^	MacGyver: well it was more of it had been working for ages until 5.something
2021-11-25 17:45:54	rbh	Good to know SysGhost. Thanks!
2021-11-25 17:45:56	CyberShadow	alad: Thank you, looks good from looking at it, still need to try it. 
2021-11-25 17:46:11	MacGyver	Because you need to figure out the ... I want to say block index into the filesystem.
2021-11-25 17:46:14	alad	I didn't try it either yet X)
2021-11-25 17:46:45	MacGyver	Basically you still need to tell the kernel exactly *where* that file is *without* it needing to find it in the FS.
2021-11-25 17:46:49	Tom^	MacGyver: https://lkml.org/lkml/2020/9/4/259 etc :p
2021-11-25 17:46:53	MacGyver	Tom^: Tx.
2021-11-25 17:46:54	phrik	Title: LKML: Ritesh Harjani: [PATCH] ext4: Implement swap_activate aops using iomap (at lkml.org)
2021-11-25 17:47:24	SysGhost	MacGyver: which is why swap files don't work too well with some file systems.
2021-11-25 17:47:43	MacGyver	btrfs supports them now though, doesn't it.
2021-11-25 17:47:48	SysGhost	I just go with swap partitions, as that's the way it's been done since the dawn of time.
2021-11-25 17:47:53	MacGyver	Although I wouldn't care to guess whether it supports *hibernating* on them.
2021-11-25 17:48:10	Nact	MacGyver: resume offset in kernel parameters was pretty straightforward for me
2021-11-25 17:48:11	MacGyver	Yeah, same. It's also while I'll never ditch LVM even if I start using btrfs.
2021-11-25 17:49:16	MacGyver	Nact: If you're running swap anyway, and want to hibernate, the resume offset is mostly just another cog in a complex machine that might break.
2021-11-25 17:49:35	MacGyver	Yes it works, but I definitely consider it a disadvantage when compared to partitions.
2021-11-25 17:49:44	MacGyver	But it's the *only* disadvantage.
2021-11-25 17:49:52	Tom^	i guess partitions can be used over multiple distros?
2021-11-25 17:50:02	Tom^	unless hibernating one booting another lol
2021-11-25 17:50:04	MacGyver	(Well except for the whole bugged fallocate thing :P)
2021-11-25 17:50:29	Nact	hmm might reconside it if it ever break on my system, for now no problem
2021-11-25 17:50:34	MacGyver	Tom^: Well that's a terrible idea anyway so yeah, swap partitions can be used across multiple distros but then technically so can swap files.
2021-11-25 17:50:46	Berlin36	hello
2021-11-25 17:51:03	Nact	I did rub into the fallocate thing tho
2021-11-25 17:51:18	Nact	run into*
2021-11-25 17:51:25	Berlin36	i've got a new laptop, it has windows11 by default, im trying to install arch linux and when running cfdisk it gives me an error, and doesn't list partitions properly
2021-11-25 17:51:34	Berlin36	device already contains iso9660 signature: it will be removrd by a write command
2021-11-25 17:51:57	MacGyver	Sounds like you're running cfdisk on your installation medium.
2021-11-25 17:52:31	Berlin36	oh
2021-11-25 17:52:38	Berlin36	huh
2021-11-25 17:53:01	Berlin36	how can that be possible? and how could i resolve this problem
2021-11-25 17:53:10	MacGyver	Run cfdisk on the right drive.
2021-11-25 17:53:28	MacGyver	I have no earthly idea how you're running it nor what it defaults to.
2021-11-25 17:53:48	MacGyver	But iso9660 signature implies you're running it on the install medium.
2021-11-25 17:54:22	MacGyver	Because that's the filesystem format for (write-only) CD-roms that survives to this day as the default for iso images.
2021-11-25 17:54:48	Berlin36	right, thanks, ill try again
2021-11-25 17:57:53	Berlin36	yeah, it certainly reads my install medium lol, i'll solve that
2021-11-25 18:07:41	chris_99	Hi, has anyone used arch with a dell xps 9310, i just seem to be getting the system freezing at random recently, getting messages such as  'watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 30s! [swapper/1:0]'
2021-11-25 18:12:48	bjourne	chris_99: that warning could be caused by lots of things
2021-11-25 18:13:02	johnhiar	Hi, I can't get palm detection and scrolling to work with libinput
2021-11-25 18:13:42	johnhiar	I have 40-libinput.conf in /etc/X11/..
2021-11-25 18:13:57	sm_3pc	Does someone use bedrock based on arch here?
2021-11-25 18:14:19	johnhiar	!paste
2021-11-25 18:14:19	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2021-11-25 18:14:30	mingdao	I don't expect there is, but I while booted into the Archiso I issued `mkfs.xfs /dev/sda3` rather than on sdb3.  sda3 was my Arch root (has separate EFI boot, swap, and home) ... is there any way to get that back, short of a backup?
2021-11-25 18:15:03	mingdao	And, yes, it did tell me there was a fs on it and I up arrow and added -f.
2021-11-25 18:15:08	johnhiar	https://bpa.st/3DOQ
2021-11-25 18:15:08	phrik	Title: View paste 3DOQ (at bpa.st)
2021-11-25 18:15:25	johnhiar	Does anyone now why my touchpad does not scroll with two fingers? Here is my conf https://bpa.st/3DOQ
2021-11-25 18:15:25	phrik	Title: View paste 3DOQ (at bpa.st)
2021-11-25 18:15:29	MrNobody_0000000	well you could just dd the content of sda3 to sdb3
2021-11-25 18:15:40	MrNobody_0000000	don't forget to change your fstab
2021-11-25 18:15:55	MrNobody_0000000	and maybe reinstall grub
2021-11-25 18:16:02	jkc	I don't see how that helps with the "created a new filesystem on sda3 and wiped out the one that was there."
2021-11-25 18:16:16	mingdao	MrNobody_0000000: sda3 hasn't had content in a couple of years ... I had just finished partitioning it with gdisk
2021-11-25 18:16:34	mingdao	jkc: The data that was on /dev/sda3 is gone because it was formatted.
2021-11-25 18:16:51	MrNobody_0000000	okay now I get it
2021-11-25 18:16:53	jkc	mingdao: Yes, I was saying to MrNobody_0000000 that dding that onto sdb3 doesn't help that.
2021-11-25 18:16:54	MrNobody_0000000	my bad
2021-11-25 18:17:06	MrNobody_0000000	uhmm depends
2021-11-25 18:17:10	mingdao	jkc: gotcha
2021-11-25 18:17:15	MrNobody_0000000	if you stopped it straight away
2021-11-25 18:17:17	MrNobody_0000000	i did that once
2021-11-25 18:17:22	MrNobody_0000000	and i had a gpt partition
2021-11-25 18:17:47	MrNobody_0000000	so i was able to recover the partition table with fdisk
2021-11-25 18:17:51	jkc	xfs formats are FAST.
2021-11-25 18:18:05	MrNobody_0000000	cause they have a backup partition table
2021-11-25 18:18:06	mingdao	I already rebooted and learned what I suspected (boot options load).  It's toast.  Now I have booted with the Archiso again.
2021-11-25 18:18:17	mingdao	jkc: yes, they are ... <5s
2021-11-25 18:18:25	mingdao	For several hundred G
2021-11-25 18:18:26	MrNobody_0000000	does formatting actually delete any data or just metadata
2021-11-25 18:18:33	MrNobody_0000000	you could try recovery software
2021-11-25 18:19:03	mingdao	MrNobody_0000000: Well, it's not that big a deal; this is my favorite personal laptop, and not much required for life.
2021-11-25 18:19:04	johnhiar	Anyone manage to make their touchpad scroll with libinput?
2021-11-25 18:19:23	mingdao	Also, a separate /boot (EFI) and /home mean a quick pacman get ya back.
2021-11-25 18:19:33	rcf	johnhiar: using what? X, or some wayland compositor? 
2021-11-25 18:19:48	mingdao	johnhiar: That was on /dev/sda3 ... my Dell XPS 15 9530.
2021-11-25 18:20:06	mingdao	johnhiar: The scrolling asbolutely sucked, btw.
2021-11-25 18:20:07	johnhiar	Thanks, using X11 and inspiron
2021-11-25 18:20:15	johnhiar	I can't get it to work at all with libunput
2021-11-25 18:20:20	mingdao	Xorg for sure.
2021-11-25 18:20:36	MacGyver	johnhiar: "TapingDrag" is misspelled in your config. Also try to configure less.
2021-11-25 18:20:36	johnhiar	This is my conf https://bpa.st/3DOQ
2021-11-25 18:20:37	phrik	Title: View paste 3DOQ (at bpa.st)
2021-11-25 18:20:56	mingdao	johnhiar: Sometime in the near future I will be back up and running.  Whatever had defaulted to make it scroll with Fluxbox really needed some tweaking.
2021-11-25 18:20:59	johnhiar	Do you have a recommended conf?
2021-11-25 18:21:15	MacGyver	Yeah -- none.
2021-11-25 18:21:19	mingdao	ack
2021-11-25 18:21:28	mingdao	Start there and then edit.
2021-11-25 18:21:31	MacGyver	See how it behaves by default.
2021-11-25 18:21:49	johnhiar	MacGyver so to just delete alll the .conf files from that folder?
2021-11-25 18:22:47	johnhiar	So /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ are empty now. I need to startx again right?
2021-11-25 18:22:48	MacGyver	If "that folder" is /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/, at least the config that's right now trying to force libinput on everything, yes.
2021-11-25 18:22:55	rcf	johnhiar: don't do that 
2021-11-25 18:23:03	rcf	/usr/share/X11 is not to be touched 
2021-11-25 18:23:06	johnhiar	rcf don't do what?
2021-11-25 18:23:16	rcf	You will break libinput completely by doing this. 
2021-11-25 18:23:17	johnhiar	too late haha, should I reinstall /usr/share/X11?
2021-11-25 18:23:27	johnhiar	I mean reinstall libinput
2021-11-25 18:23:29	rcf	(someone else did that a few days ago) 
2021-11-25 18:23:42	MacGyver	Were you manually editing /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-libinput.conf?
2021-11-25 18:23:56	MacGyver	Then yes, reinstall Xorg, and don't manually edit stuff under /usr.
2021-11-25 18:23:57	johnhiar	MacGyver I've tried after it did not work
2021-11-25 18:24:20	johnhiar	done
2021-11-25 18:24:31	johnhiar	so now I need to re-enter xorg right?
2021-11-25 18:24:38	luigibu	this error randomly appears.. 
2021-11-25 18:24:41	rcf	Now, without any of your own custom configs, do that, and see what happens. 
2021-11-25 18:24:41	johnhiar	which mean I'll be disconnected from here
2021-11-25 18:24:46	MacGyver	Oh, and reinstall xf86-input-libinput
2021-11-25 18:24:46	johnhiar	thanks
2021-11-25 18:24:54	luigibu	This site can???t be reachedstackoverflow.com???s DNS address could not be found. Diagnosing the problem.
2021-11-25 18:24:56	luigibu	DNS_PROBE_POSSIBLy
2021-11-25 18:25:03	MacGyver	Because that's the actual owner of /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-libinput.conf
2021-11-25 18:25:05	MacGyver	Not Xorg.
2021-11-25 18:25:19	johnhiar	MacGyver yea, thanks I have two confs now in  /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
2021-11-25 18:25:30	johnhiar	which includes the 40-libinput.conf
2021-11-25 18:25:36	johnhiar	I guess that is the deault now
2021-11-25 18:25:53	johnhiar	brb
2021-11-25 18:26:18	MacGyver	Yeah. So then start X, and figure out what *exactly* you need to change to make it behave the way you want using xinput.
2021-11-25 18:26:33	rcf	They have already restarted it seems 
2021-11-25 18:26:45	MacGyver	Yeah, I'll repeat when they're back.
2021-11-25 18:27:28	rcf	luigibu: what application is this? 
2021-11-25 18:28:15	johnhiar	Hi, back
2021-11-25 18:28:20	MacGyver	johnhiar: So then start X, and figure out what *exactly* you need to change to make it behave the way you want using xinput.
2021-11-25 18:28:26	MacGyver	johnhiar: See https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Libinput#Via_xinput
2021-11-25 18:28:28	phrik	Title: libinput - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-25 18:28:31	johnhiar	No palm detection nor two fingers scrolling
2021-11-25 18:28:32	MacGyver	And once you understand what you want to happen differently from the defaults, create a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/30-touchpad.conf or similar and make a *minimal* configuration there.
2021-11-25 18:28:49	MacGyver	Where you only override those defaults that you needed to change in xinput.
2021-11-25 18:29:25	xecuter	hiho
2021-11-25 18:29:34	MacGyver	E.g. mine only has, in addition to an Identifier and a Driver, a MatchProduct, an Option for Tapping, and an Option for ClickMethod.
2021-11-25 18:30:11	xecuter	my printer is able for 2-pass duplex printing.... for mac/win, but how i can use this feature with arch-linux?
2021-11-25 18:30:39	johnhiar	MacGyver Thanks, right now I can't make it work with xinput haha
2021-11-25 18:30:44	johnhiar	with set-prop
2021-11-25 18:31:29	johnhiar	I get bad value for xinput set-prop 15 299 1 1 1
2021-11-25 18:31:40	johnhiar	how do you input when it requires 3 inputes
2021-11-25 18:31:56	MacGyver	You give it 3, not 4, inputs.
2021-11-25 18:32:33	johnhiar	libinput Scroll Methods Available (298):        0, 0, 1
2021-11-25 18:32:47	MacGyver	Oh, I'm miscounting.
2021-11-25 18:33:05	johnhiar	libinput Scroll Method Enabled (299):   0, 0, 1
2021-11-25 18:33:13	johnhiar	 xinput set-prop 15 299 1 1 1
2021-11-25 18:33:14	johnhiar	does not work
2021-11-25 18:33:51	johnhiar	0 0 1 works
2021-11-25 18:33:58	johnhiar	but I still can not scroll
2021-11-25 18:34:00	MacGyver	Then the hardware doesn't support that combination.
2021-11-25 18:34:59	vd	is there a difference between a swapfile (supported or not by the underlying fs) or a regular file that you run mkfs.swap on it?
2021-11-25 18:35:11	johnhiar	Thanks
2021-11-25 18:35:15	johnhiar	Lets see if I can make it work haha
2021-11-25 18:35:25	rcf	Has it every worked, on Arch or anything else? 
2021-11-25 18:36:06	MacGyver	vd: Read the discussion from 17:42:49 (about 45 minutes ago) onwards.
2021-11-25 18:36:24	MacGyver	vd: Oh wait, you're now asking about two different types of file.
2021-11-25 18:36:29	MacGyver	vd: Yes, there's a difference.
2021-11-25 18:36:37	MacGyver	vd: Swap files *must be contiguous*.
2021-11-25 18:37:38	luigibu	hi! so.. i enable and started NetworkManager and System-resolved.. and my conection is up
2021-11-25 18:37:49	MacGyver	vd: You can't turn just any regular file into a swapfile by running mkfs.swap on it.
2021-11-25 18:37:57	luigibu	but i think i have some leftover.. of previous connection atteps... 
2021-11-25 18:38:19	luigibu	cos something is messing with my dns resolver
2021-11-25 18:38:28	luigibu	any clue what to look?
2021-11-25 18:38:38	vd	MacGyver some people are doing it
2021-11-25 18:38:55	MacGyver	vd: Those people are very wrong and very lucky.
2021-11-25 18:39:32	vd	MacGyver ha ha ok. Do you set a 64Go swap partition if you have 64Go RAM just because of potential hibernate usage?
2021-11-25 18:39:42	MacGyver	vd: You can of course beforehand check if the file you want to turn into a swapfile is contiguous and fully allocated.
2021-11-25 18:40:54	MacGyver	vd: No, because A) I don't assume I'll be using the full 64GiB when going to hibernate, and B) hibernation images are compressed, with the normal compression target being 3/5 of the original size.
2021-11-25 18:41:12	MacGyver	So with 64GiB of RAM, most of the time you should be able to get away with, say, 48GiB of swap.
2021-11-25 18:41:30	MacGyver	But honestly, at that point, hibernating is about as painful as rebooting as long as you automate your desktop start.
2021-11-25 18:41:31	johnhiar	Nothing works.
2021-11-25 18:41:49	johnhiar	Can't get the scrolling to work..
2021-11-25 18:42:52	vd	MacGyver yeah and I can see a benefit of hibernate for laptops, but not really for a desktop/server...
2021-11-25 18:44:00	vd	MacGyver so maybe f*ck hibernation and go with a 4Go swap partition at the end of the disk?
2021-11-25 18:44:05	MacGyver	Sure.
2021-11-25 18:44:12	MacGyver	I wasn't arguing *for* hibernation.
2021-11-25 18:44:12	johnhiar	Should I try Synapse ?
2021-11-25 18:44:22	johnhiar	I really don't see how am I going to get libinput to work
2021-11-25 18:44:28	johnhiar	Synaptics
2021-11-25 18:44:34	MacGyver	You asked about drawbacks of swapfiles, and a slightly increased amount of pain in getting hibernation to work is the only drawback I can really think of.
2021-11-25 18:44:49	MacGyver	So logically it follows that if you don't need hibernation, you don't have drawbacks.
2021-11-25 18:44:58	MacGyver	(Barring the fallocate bug Tom^ mentioned)
2021-11-25 18:46:19	vd	MacGyver sure I am just trying to figure out what to do for swap on my 64Go RAM desktop/home server ;-)
2021-11-25 18:46:30	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-11-25 18:46:53	MacGyver	Personally I always run LVM anyway so I just create an LVM partition for the swap.
2021-11-25 18:47:51	gehidore	gross
2021-11-25 18:48:08	vd	MacGyver yeah I decided to have a simpler setup with btrfs on the OS partition, I don't really want to use LVM on this machine
2021-11-25 18:48:09	MacGyver	gehidore: ?
2021-11-25 18:48:13	rcf	Swapfiles need not actually be contiguous. 
2021-11-25 18:48:42	MacGyver	rcf: [citation needed]
2021-11-25 18:48:45	rcf	The restriction is purely for sparse files. 
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2021-11-25 18:49:41	gehidore	aren't you supposed to lvm with Luks then btrfs in the volume with 5 layer snapshots to use your swap file in your loop image?
2021-11-25 18:49:41	MacGyver	rcf: Are you sure about that? Last I looked into it the kernel screamed at me for non-contiguous blocks.
2021-11-25 18:50:50	MacGyver	Maybe the restriction only applies when using it for hibernation...
2021-11-25 18:51:48	rcf	MacGyver: setup_swap_extents() in mm/swapfile.c handles regular files without issue, so long as the blocks actually exist and their location does not change. 
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2021-11-25 18:52:21	johnhiar	Hi, I still can't get palm detection and scrolling to work..
2021-11-25 18:52:22	rcf	Which is why truncate doesn't work, and why COW filesystems need special setup. 
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2021-11-25 18:52:51	vd	rcf what is the purpose of explicit swapfiles if a regular file set up with mkfs.swap just do the job?
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2021-11-25 18:53:50	rcf	vd: what do you mean? The swapfile *is* a regular file, until swapon. 
2021-11-25 18:54:26	rcf	(for non-COW filesystems, so btrfs is weird and different)
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2021-11-25 18:56:11	vd	rcf not sure to understand yet. Can you create a fixed size file with dd, mkfs.swap it, specify it in fstab then swapon with btrfs?
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2021-11-25 18:57:58	MacGyver	rcf: To you happen to recall if you still only need to specify *one* physical offset for the swapfile if it's non-contiguous when hibernating?
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2021-11-25 18:58:02	MacGyver	s/To/Do/
2021-11-25 18:58:57	MacGyver	vd: The "explicit" part is simply "create it in such a way that you're ensured it's fully allocated, and not sparse". Taking just any existing file in the filesystem gives you no such guarantee.
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2021-11-25 18:59:53	rcf	vd: not btrfs, no. The reason is that unlike the more traditional filesystems, btrfs is copy-on-write, meaning that when you modify the file the new data is written elsewhere. Which is great if you want the snapshots and whatnot, but the kernel only records the location(s) of usable swap space in the file once, at swapon. 
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2021-11-25 19:05:56	vd	rcf ho ok I see. I'm sure someone on #btrfs said they was using a regular file on btrfs, but there might be some LVM going on, cannot recall. Hum better go with a 4Go partition as the end then and that's it, no hibernation possible, fixed size partition that I can eventually delete/recreate later if needed after shrinking/growing the btrfs
2021-11-25 19:05:56	vd	partition.
2021-11-25 19:06:28	extern	hi. on my last usb sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt 
2021-11-25 19:06:55	extern	was enable me to write and read automatically the directory
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2021-11-25 19:07:30	extern	now i always need to change the permissions on the mount 
2021-11-25 19:07:44	extern	how to avoid it ? 
2021-11-25 19:08:02	rcf	vd: the thing is that it *might* work. For a while. But it won't work reliably, especially if you make heavy use of the fancier CoW features. 
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2021-11-25 19:09:15	vd	rcf: you'd personally go with a small swap partition like I suggested then?
2021-11-25 19:10:06	rcf	vd: I'd have no issue following the appropriate steps and using a btrfs swapfile. Just be sure you disable CoW and ensure full allocation. 
2021-11-25 19:10:28	rcf	MacGyver: I can't say I've looked into that unfortunately. 
2021-11-25 19:10:46	rcf	I suspect it is more restrictive, though. 
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2021-11-25 19:11:23	MrNobody_0000000	https://askubuntu.com/questions/1206157/can-i-have-a-swapfile-on-btrfs
2021-11-25 19:11:25	phrik	Title: swap - Can I have a swapfile on btrfs? - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
2021-11-25 19:11:28	MrNobody_0000000	I followed this procedure
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2021-11-25 19:11:35	MrNobody_0000000	and it worked easily
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2021-11-25 19:11:50	Namarrgon	you lost only two fingers and a toe
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2021-11-25 19:12:46	rcf	So not only have I not experienced btrfs data loss, but I'm missing out on loss of extremities? 
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2021-11-25 19:13:15	MrNobody_0000000	this guy recommends creating a subvolume just for the swapfile
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2021-11-25 19:13:32	MrNobody_0000000	cause you need to disable cow
2021-11-25 19:13:47	MrNobody_0000000	and that'll stop you from snapshotting the entire subvolume where your swapfile reside
2021-11-25 19:14:00	rcf	Indeed. 
2021-11-25 19:14:10	vd	but you can disable CoW on a file-basis, right? chattr -C /some/swapfile I think
2021-11-25 19:14:13	MrNobody_0000000	then it's just a matter of creating the swapfile
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2021-11-25 19:14:19	MrNobody_0000000	yes
2021-11-25 19:14:28	MrNobody_0000000	and you do need to run that command on the swapfile
2021-11-25 19:14:39	MrNobody_0000000	but it'll screw up snapshots for the whole subvolume
2021-11-25 19:14:50	MrNobody_0000000	that's why you need to create a subvolume just fo your swap
2021-11-25 19:15:00	teraflops	what about the cow, did it suffer loss of the hoof?
2021-11-25 19:15:38	vd	MrNobody_0000000 haaa if you have only a single file with CoW disable in a whole subvolume, the whole subvolume cannot be snapshotted anymore?
2021-11-25 19:15:51	MrNobody_0000000	I think so
2021-11-25 19:15:56	MrNobody_0000000	don't quote me on that
2021-11-25 19:16:01	MrNobody_0000000	that's just what the guy recommended
2021-11-25 19:16:21	MrNobody_0000000	btrfs filesystem doesn't let to create snapshots if there is a working swap file on the subvolume. That means that it is highly recommended to place a swap file on a separate subvolume.
2021-11-25 19:16:26	MrNobody_0000000	that's what he said
2021-11-25 19:16:45	vd	MrNobody_0000000 with a dedicated subvolume you can specify the CoW disabling at mount time, no file-basis tweaks I suppose (which is better, more explicit)
2021-11-25 19:17:01	MrNobody_0000000	so it's more about the swapfile than the cow being disabled
2021-11-25 19:17:39	MrNobody_0000000	anyway from there the procedure is quite simple
2021-11-25 19:18:17	MrNobody_0000000	but yeah indeed you could disable cow for the entire subvolume at mount time
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2021-11-25 19:19:23	vd	well btrfs directly on the main partition with a dedicated swap subvolume seems neat, simple, explicit, no tweaks :)
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2021-11-25 19:19:37	vd	might even be able to make it large enough for hibernation, if one needs it
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2021-11-25 19:20:33	susi	I tried btrfs, first time the system was shutdown without proper unmounting, the btrfs was gone
2021-11-25 19:20:36	extern	ok i solved the problem thanks 
2021-11-25 19:20:40	susi	I think I'll stick with ext4 for now
2021-11-25 19:20:48	extern	thank you all
2021-11-25 19:21:08	susi	dudes in #btrfs said my hardware is faulty and it was not btrfs's fault, but the same hw handles ext4 anyways
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2021-11-25 19:23:28	teraflops	a bcache fs died at me last week ;)
2021-11-25 19:23:46	ℹ 	obale1 es conocido ahora como obale
2021-11-25 19:24:14	teraflops	that said, I've never had issues with a btrfs + subvols setup on modern ssd disk
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2021-11-25 19:25:18	susi	my system was on USB stick, and it got removed while runinng and mounted, and it never recovered. went through the case with #btrfs and it really got borked
2021-11-25 19:25:19	⚡ 	teraflops switched the deceased bcache setup to lvm cache
2021-11-25 19:25:23	extern	susi: it's definetly not our fault
2021-11-25 19:25:38	susi	the same thing has happened multiple times with ext3/4 and it has never borked irrecoverably
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2021-11-25 19:25:52	teraflops	oh wait brtfs setup on usb stick? heh
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2021-11-25 19:26:25	susi	well, it worked fine until that :-)
2021-11-25 19:26:29	vd	susi yeah from the start it doesn't seem like you used to best fs for the scenario (system on usb stick)
2021-11-25 19:26:41	vd	I mean I'd definitely prefer ext4 for that scenario
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2021-11-25 19:27:19	susi	yeah might be, that's why I thought it was essential to tell about the setup
2021-11-25 19:27:36	teraflops	yeah fair point
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2021-11-25 19:29:58	susi	no big deal, I made the system to experience with btrfs 
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2021-11-25 19:31:26	teraflops	susi: imo btrfs performs better on ssd/vnme than on spinning disk or flash/nand 
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2021-11-25 19:31:49	teraflops	nvme^
2021-11-25 19:31:53	moonshine	that's pretty much true of any fs
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2021-11-25 19:32:08	teraflops	it's even more noticeable with btrfs
2021-11-25 19:32:21	teraflops	e.g speed
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2021-11-25 19:33:40	ouestbillie	hey all, Im trying to setup encryption on a new machine, I have two partition, one for root, I encrypted with cryptsetup with no problem
2021-11-25 19:34:07	ouestbillie	now when I try to do the same for the home one it says: Data offset is outside of currently available data device
2021-11-25 19:34:10	snek	i have an usb c ethernet adapter from j5create that isn't working properly
2021-11-25 19:34:14	ouestbillie	(the partition is over 100G)
2021-11-25 19:34:20	snek	"no carrier" errors from nmtui
2021-11-25 19:34:35	snek	i tested it with another device and it works fine
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2021-11-25 19:34:59	snek	no errors in dmesg
2021-11-25 19:35:19	susi	ouestbillie: what command and options are you using to try to crypt it
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2021-11-25 19:36:09	jcbjoe2021	Happy Thanksgiving #archlinux
2021-11-25 19:36:45	ouestbillie	cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sd#
2021-11-25 19:36:54	ouestbillie	same as for root which worked...
2021-11-25 19:36:54	kevr	happy thanks
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2021-11-25 19:38:44	susi	ouestbillie: and you have made the partition on it?
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2021-11-25 19:41:27	Tom^	teraflops: because btrfs is terrible you are just obfuscating it with faster HW :p
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2021-11-25 19:44:39	teraflops	Tom^: it can be the reason, and yes it's pretty much the same for every fs but I wanted to point that is extremely noticeable with btrfs
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2021-11-25 19:49:21	teraflops	Namarrgon: no useful info at dmesg at all?
2021-11-25 19:49:29	teraflops	oops I meant snek 
2021-11-25 19:49:55	kevr	i fucking hate data races, god dammit
2021-11-25 19:49:58	kevr	especially when they don't make sense
2021-11-25 19:50:00	snek	teraflops: just this https://gc.gy/105571195.png
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2021-11-25 19:52:31	kevr	Queue them all! https://i.postimg.cc/xdDtRcZD/pipelines.png
2021-11-25 19:52:38	⚡ 	kevr bruteforces failures
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2021-11-25 20:01:54	currybullen	so i installed and started running named on a machine recently and intend to use it as a local DNS server. the host running named should use itself as its name server too. what should i do with systemd-resolved on this machine? just disable/remove it and replace the /etc/resolv.conf with a static file containing nameserver 127.0.0.1?
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2021-11-25 20:05:28	devtty63[m]	does arch builds often compile with LTO ?
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2021-11-25 20:11:15	Namarrgon	it's not enabled by default yet
2021-11-25 20:11:29	Tom^	Namarrgon: some packages use it no?
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2021-11-25 20:11:44	Namarrgon	possible but i don't recall any off the top of my head
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2021-11-25 20:12:23	Tom^	mesa seems to "-D b_lto=true"
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2021-11-28 08:15:28	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2021-11-28 08:15:28	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1297 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1297 normals)
2021-11-28 05:42:27	pulec	!wtf hardinfo
2021-11-28 05:42:29	phrik	pulec: community/hardinfo
2021-11-28 05:42:31	pulec	this is nice
2021-11-28 05:43:25	SysGhost	indeed. Using it myself every now and then
2021-11-28 05:53:11	pulec	I think I actually learned first about it on LTT's Linus Tries Manjaro and fails
2021-11-28 05:57:47	SysGhost	Aw gee. Linus. Trying hard to fail.
2021-11-28 05:58:10	SysGhost	I mean... one really have to actually try to fail to fail like he do.
2021-11-28 05:59:08	SysGhost	I'm surprised he didn't go all the way down to the bottom and went with "wine nvidia_setup_x86.exe"
2021-11-28 06:00:27	armin	SysGhost: +1
2021-11-28 06:01:57	armin	if you're really surprised of a black screen when you just typed "Yes, do how I say", you're simply completely lost, and considering that channels considers itself a tech tips channel this is a bit much.
2021-11-28 06:03:51	armin	LTT is hard to watch for me, this guy really tries very hard to be the layer 8 problem.
2021-11-28 06:09:21	LordRishav	LTT is doing it just for views
2021-11-28 06:09:31	SysGhost	of course.
2021-11-28 06:09:33	LordRishav	And committing stupid mistakes with purpose
2021-11-28 06:11:12	LordRishav	Also he had Anthony on his team, who uses Arch as well
2021-11-28 06:13:16	novns	why are you wasting your time watching this LTT thing?
2021-11-28 06:13:32	SysGhost	so we can get upset about it.
2021-11-28 06:13:40	novns	fair enough
2021-11-28 06:14:21	novns	but there are much more upsetting things to watch, like politics
2021-11-28 06:14:54	novns	or modern music videos
2021-11-28 06:17:27	novns	there's a kid who uploads hundreds of meaningless programming videos
2021-11-28 06:18:07	novns	who just copypaste code from tutorials, full of errors, and speaks BS about it
2021-11-28 06:19:24	novns	https://www.youtube.com/c/Iballdesigningdeveloper/videos
2021-11-28 06:21:50	novns	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFKp0kbVEAYvqzz?format=jpg&name=large
2021-11-28 06:22:29	novns	"import return"
2021-11-28 06:23:38	SysGhost	Canadians are the best ones to be upset about. Besides. Living that far north isn't sane. Let's mock em on that too while at it!
2021-11-28 06:25:33	bhava5	wait what?
2021-11-28 06:27:08	SysGhost	jk* ;)
2021-11-28 06:27:16	pulec	was there page on wiki with python2 packages in official repos still?
2021-11-28 06:27:32	bhava5	ah good, i was going to apologise SysGhost ;)
2021-11-28 06:27:42	⚡ 	SysGhost lives equally far north
2021-11-28 06:28:04	⚡ 	SysGhost can therefore speak by experience
2021-11-28 06:28:38	bhava5	id agree that people must be nuts to live anywhere but BC, and maybe the maritimes
2021-11-28 06:29:05	lntl	Arch Arch Arch
2021-11-28 06:29:17	SysGhost	Arch? 
2021-11-28 06:29:28	lntl	*Kamloops
2021-11-28 06:29:29	SysGhost	Ah Arch!
2021-11-28 06:30:34	pulec	god this theme is horid https://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=7622
2021-11-28 06:30:36	phrik	Title: DFFD - File: PeridexisErrant's Starter Pack (64bit) (at dffd.bay12games.com)
2021-11-28 06:30:43	pulec	I barely can read anything
2021-11-28 06:30:46	NoobAlice	pulec: I don't know about on the wiki, unless it was a devs' to-do list, but does "pactree -rsu python2" tell you what you want?
2021-11-28 06:31:12	pulec	NoobAlice: oh, it does
2021-11-28 06:31:19	pulec	but I am sure there was some page
2021-11-28 06:31:35	pulec	and the goal to get rid of these ancient stuffz
2021-11-28 06:35:07	NoobAlice	pulec: Is this the one?  It's the one that came to my mind, apparently not part of the wiki at all... https://archlinux.org/todo/conversion-of-programs-that-use-python-2-to-python-3/
2021-11-28 06:35:10	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Todo: Conversion of programs that use Python 2 to Python 3 (at archlinux.org)
2021-11-28 06:35:38	pulec	NoobAlice++
2021-11-28 06:35:44	pulec	I was lazy to search actually
2021-11-28 06:35:52	NoobAlice	Woohoo!
2021-11-28 06:36:11	NoobAlice	I'm not sure how one would search for that without knowing about the archlinux.org/todo link.  Hmm.
2021-11-28 06:36:30	pulec	you can see the list is larger than wthat pactree provided
2021-11-28 06:36:46	pulec	TIL about archlinux.org/todo
2021-11-28 06:36:50	pulec	jelle probably made it
2021-11-28 06:37:05	NoobAlice	Right, but it includes programs that were originally on the list and have been fixed.  You can filter for incomplete.
2021-11-28 06:37:22	pulec	nice to see majority cleaned, in our company we barely moving things to python3 lol
2021-11-28 06:39:15	NoobAlice	Oh, and "make" dependencies are on this list but not the pactree list.
2021-11-28 06:44:41	Cristiioan	Can someone help me install wiregaurd
2021-11-28 06:45:58	Cristiioan	I don't understand how to set it up with only one client
2021-11-28 07:10:51	rawktucc	they left...
2021-11-28 07:11:10	rawktucc	https://tilde.team/~rawktucc/wireguard-server-config.txt
2021-11-28 07:11:46	rawktucc	and client config depends on what device it is. Laptop could be NetworkManager with wg plugin; wg through the kernel on Linux; wg on Window/Mac. Android could be the WIreguard app. idk about iOS
2021-11-28 07:20:58	randomxusr	Reading the wiki for Android Device Bridge and learned that adb backup is deprecated. Anyone know whether it's recommended not to use it?
2021-11-28 07:21:15	randomxusr	the page I was using is at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Android_Debug_Bridge#Backup_and_restore
2021-11-28 07:21:17	phrik	Title: Android Debug Bridge - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-11-28 08:15:28	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-12-04 11:08:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2021-12-04 11:08:30	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-12-04 11:10:18	Lordveda	hello world
2021-12-04 11:11:08	Lordveda	I am facing a pacman and pgp database error to which I googled and got no clue to repair.
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2021-12-04 11:12:02	jancoow	ugh, so annoying. Everytime I update my arch I can't use my usb storage devices or sd cards anymore...
2021-12-04 11:12:09	jancoow	i have to fully reboot in order to get them working again
2021-12-04 11:12:10	jelle	Lordveda: pastebin the error
2021-12-04 11:12:31	teraflops	jancoow: that happens when you install a new kernel
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2021-12-04 11:12:57	Lordveda	error: failed to synchronize all databases (invalid or corrupted database (PGP signature)) <-- This is the error message I got
2021-12-04 11:13:07	Lordveda	jelle: Ok
2021-12-04 11:13:07	jancoow	teraflops well sure but its annoying  ;p 
2021-12-04 11:13:48	jelle	Lordveda: IgnorePkg, think or go 
2021-12-04 11:13:50	jelle	errr
2021-12-04 11:13:52	teraflops	that's like complaining about water being wet ;D
2021-12-04 11:13:56	jelle	jancoow: search for kernel modules check
2021-12-04 11:14:37	jancoow	What is that?
2021-12-04 11:15:02	jelle	jancoow: it's a hack to keep the old modules around
2021-12-04 11:15:07	jelle	or IgnorePkg the kernel
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2021-12-04 11:15:32	Lordveda	https://pastebin.com/pEQsW6Zg
2021-12-04 11:15:33	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-hyY.txt
2021-12-04 11:15:34	phrik	Title: Command entered at the prompt: sudo pacman -Syuerror: GPGME error: No data - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2021-12-04 11:16:23	mkoskar	jancoow: community/kernel-modules-hook
2021-12-04 11:16:39	Lordveda	jelle: IgnorePkg within pacman.conf?
2021-12-04 11:16:52	jelle	Lordveda: no that was not for you
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2021-12-04 11:19:26	Khorne	jelle, wutwutwut, when was that brought to community
2021-12-04 11:20:11	Lordveda	jelle: any clue?
2021-12-04 11:20:25	jelle	Khorne: well some smart guy forked it and dumped it in community, I can't recommend it :P
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2021-12-04 11:22:52	Khorne	yeayea :")
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2021-12-04 11:24:20	Lordveda	What are the options for the SigLevel options in pacman.conf?
2021-12-04 11:24:32	jelle	Khorne: I mean it quite literally https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/blob/packages/kernel-modules-hook/trunk/PKGBUILD
2021-12-04 11:24:47	jelle	Lordveda: you could try --debug
2021-12-04 11:24:52	jelle	adding that to -Syu
2021-12-04 11:25:09	Khorne	man pacman.conf lists the SigLevels
2021-12-04 11:25:19	Khorne	jelle, what do you mean?
2021-12-04 11:25:20	jelle	Khorne: yeah but that's the wrong way to fix the issue ;-)
2021-12-04 11:25:28	jelle	Khorne: I mean the packager is upstream
2021-12-04 11:25:30	Lordveda	Khorne: This is what I have thought of
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2021-12-04 11:25:59	Khorne	jelle, oh fair
2021-12-04 11:26:33	Khorne	Well I have a bunch of shitboxes, let's see how it goes wrong
2021-12-04 11:27:16	Lordveda	jelle: Would I do a new pastebin with the --debug option?
2021-12-04 11:28:07	jelle	Khorne: lol
2021-12-04 11:28:10	jelle	Lordveda: yes
2021-12-04 11:28:19	Lordveda	https://pastebin.com/UkyLYKpY
2021-12-04 11:28:20	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-hyE.txt
2021-12-04 11:28:20	phrik	Title: debug: pacman v6.0.1 - libalpm v13.0.1debug: config: attempting to read file / - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-12-04 11:29:00	jelle	seems your mirrors aren't great Lordveda 
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2021-12-04 11:33:24	Khorne	jelle, it's what I call the backyard scientific method
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2021-12-04 11:50:36	sakalli	Hello, everyone. Is there a method to use both the Nvidia and Intel GPUs at the same time? To attach additional displays.
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2021-12-04 11:52:32	teraflops	two Xorg instances?
2021-12-04 11:55:08	sakalli	Mmm. That sounds interesting, and if it's technically feasable, it could work for the use case.
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2021-12-04 12:03:52	ℹ 	xoan6 es conocido ahora como xoan
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2021-12-04 12:07:16	novns	sakalli, I tried, didn't work for me
2021-12-04 12:07:45	novns	so I jut use two nvidia's outputs 
2021-12-04 12:08:58	novns	but I could try more, it wasn't critical and I was lazy
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2021-12-04 12:09:34	jelle	sakalli: are they seperate or is this a laptop?
2021-12-04 12:09:56	novns	the problem was sharing the keyboard and the mouse
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2021-12-04 12:10:22	novns	two X instances means you need two keyboards and two mouses
2021-12-04 12:10:59	sakalli	this is not a laptop. separate kb would not be a huge problem.
2021-12-04 12:11:25	teraflops	in a laptop it'd trickier or just wont work
2021-12-04 12:11:43	jelle	teraflops: it prolly own't work yes ;-)
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2021-12-04 12:13:11	GuiToris	hello, I have a few questions with Internet sharing. What are net0 and internet0?
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2021-12-04 12:16:31	novns	sakalli, it's possible technically I believe, but there could be problems like two copypasting things from one X to another
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2021-12-04 12:16:45	novns	s/two//
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2021-12-04 12:19:19	novns	and I'm not sure how weird would act two running DEs at the same time
2021-12-04 12:19:34	mkoskar	sakalli: two X servers wouldn't work because each has to be attached to different VT and you can't have two VTs active at the same time, but then there's a -sharevts which I've never tried myself, either way it would be a big pita imho, but I'm pretty sure you can do single X server with multiple separate screens, it has its own challenges tho mainly apps being broken and now even thinking there
2021-12-04 12:19:36	mkoskar	could be more than 1 X screen
2021-12-04 12:20:06	mkoskar	s/now/not
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2021-12-04 12:21:59	novns	GuiToris, more information please
2021-12-04 12:22:17	mkoskar	sakalli: smt like this https://0x0.st/-hyk.txt, that's single gpu but outputs split into 2 X screens, you'll have to poke whatever the nvidia driver you use offers wrt to "Device" options
2021-12-04 12:23:34	GuiToris	novns, that's why I'm also here, for more information :) https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Internet_sharing#Configuration
2021-12-04 12:23:36	phrik	Title: Internet sharing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-12-04 12:23:52	GuiToris	if I type ip link show, I neither see net0 nor internet0
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2021-12-04 12:24:01	GuiToris	where are they, what are they?
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2021-12-04 12:25:04	novns	GuiToris, those are example names of devices, you can use your own names
2021-12-04 12:25:08	teraflops	you can run 2 xorg instances attached to separated GPUs but the only concern here is that this is a laptop and the outputs are most likely hardwired
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2021-12-04 12:25:44	teraflops	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Multihead#Separate_screens https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg_multiseat
2021-12-04 12:25:46	phrik	Title: Multihead - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2021-12-04 12:26:28	GuiToris	novns, which is which? https://bpa.st/raw/CX6Q
2021-12-04 12:27:48	novns	GuiToris, you have the ethernet device ens5f5 and the WLAN device wls1 there
2021-12-04 12:28:43	GuiToris	net0 = wls1, internet0=ens5f5 ?
2021-12-04 12:28:48	GuiToris	it's just a guess
2021-12-04 12:29:00	novns	or vice versa, it depends on your network
2021-12-04 12:29:19	GuiToris	I use wires
2021-12-04 12:29:21	novns	where do you get the internet from?
2021-12-04 12:29:36	GuiToris	I'm trying to share the wired internet
2021-12-04 12:30:03	novns	so the internet0 is your wls1
2021-12-04 12:30:07	novns	oops
2021-12-04 12:30:12	novns	so the internet0 is your ens5f5
2021-12-04 12:31:03	novns	GuiToris, it would be easier to use a router
2021-12-04 12:31:27	novns	router are things made specially for this job
2021-12-04 12:31:33	GuiToris	thank you, last question, are these command temporary? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Internet_sharing#With_iptables  These are way, way beyond my knowledge. I'm going to just copy - substitute net0 and internet0 - and paste them
2021-12-04 12:31:33	phrik	Title: Internet sharing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-12-04 12:32:05	GuiToris	if I do something wrong, I don't know how I could undo that
2021-12-04 12:32:07	teraflops	no, they are not
2021-12-04 12:32:27	novns	GuiToris, if you run these commands manually, you have to run them again after reboots
2021-12-04 12:33:03	GuiToris	why is teraflops saying the opposite? :/
2021-12-04 12:33:22	novns	GuiToris, "To have your static IP assigned at boot, you can use a network manager"
2021-12-04 12:33:32	novns	a quote from the article
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2021-12-04 12:33:36	teraflops	I meant they are temporaryç
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2021-12-04 12:33:57	GuiToris	oh, okay
2021-12-04 12:34:52	GuiToris	novns, yes, I read them through, I just don't understand the whole thing, so I think I'll paste everything that I can find on the page, and I'll see what happens
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2021-12-04 12:35:42	GuiToris	I don't know why I would have to create static ip addresses and things like that, so hopefully everything will be clear
2021-12-04 12:35:49	GuiToris	thanks for helping :)
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2021-12-05 13:34:17	pgimeno	okay, so startx only starts X if run as root, but not as user, any idea where to look?
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2021-12-05 13:43:35	grawity	pgimeno: 1) nvidia? 2) sudo or some other way of running it as root?
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2021-12-05 13:44:14	pgimeno	grawity: running sudo startx makes it start; I have tried to make X suid root but that didn't help so I reverted the change.
2021-12-05 13:44:43	pgimeno	grawity: it's a virtual machine, the host's graphics card is nVidia, yes
2021-12-05 13:45:03	pgimeno	the log of the failing session is http://ix.io/3H4X
2021-12-05 13:45:15	pgimeno	this line may be relevant, as it doesn't appear when run as root and it seems the only major difference: [ 36331.811] xf86EnableIO: failed to enable I/O ports 0000-03ff (Operation not permitted)
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2021-12-05 13:47:02	grawity	the host's graphics card is mostly irrelevant
2021-12-05 13:47:16	grawity	(unless you're using PCI passthrough in which case it's not the host's graphics card anymore)
2021-12-05 13:48:29	pgimeno	ok, then I'm using the default (-vga std, according to docs), this is the qemu command line: http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/pastes/aqemu-cmd-line.txt
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2021-12-05 13:49:32	pgimeno	this was working before upgrading but it failed to start X when the upgrade finished
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2021-12-05 13:50:52	grawity	what do you have in /proc/fb? and also, in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux`?
2021-12-05 13:54:49	pgimeno	http://ix.io/3H5d
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2021-12-05 14:04:30	thrice	probably "cat /proc/fb" :-)
2021-12-05 14:05:19	pgimeno	ah sorry, I didn't understand the question. It says: 0  bochs-drm
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2021-12-05 14:14:20	pgimeno	hmm I'm wondering if it's WindowMaker that is terminating and causing X to close
2021-12-05 14:18:40	pgimeno	yeah, replacing it with xterm makes X start, so it's most definitely WindowMaker
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2021-12-09 19:47:58	pulec	anyone using archlinux docker on macos?
2021-12-09 19:48:09	pulec	hm I could annoy beest 
2021-12-09 19:48:21	NetSysFire	!give pulec anyone
2021-12-09 19:48:22	phrik	pulec: Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2021-12-09 19:49:00	beest	containers are not my bag
2021-12-09 19:49:22	pulec	oh right
2021-12-09 19:49:24	pulec	a sec
2021-12-09 19:50:01	pulec	beest: would you be willing to run a 5 line dockerfile on macos?
2021-12-09 19:50:12	pulec	gotta install it, it creates some VM for itself and whatnot lol
2021-12-09 19:50:26	brejela	archlinux docker on macos?
2021-12-09 19:50:26	beest	i will when i'm at home near a mac
2021-12-09 19:50:37	pulec	it simply fails with alc pacman library or something
2021-12-09 19:50:39	pulec	brejela: yes
2021-12-09 19:50:40	pulec	a sec
2021-12-09 19:50:42	brejela	As in... An archlinux running under a docker container, that is running on a Mac?
2021-12-09 19:51:07	pulec	this https://serverfault.com/questions/1052963/pacman-doesnt-work-in-docker-image
2021-12-09 19:51:08	phrik	Title: arch linux - Pacman doesn't work in Docker image - Server Fault (at serverfault.com)
2021-12-09 19:51:20	pulec	no brejela  lol, just pure macos running container with arch
2021-12-09 19:51:32	pulec	it requires patched glibc, and specific build
2021-12-09 19:51:37	pulec	but archlinux:latest does not work
2021-12-09 19:51:59	pulec	also related https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=134070
2021-12-09 19:52:00	phrik	Title: [solved - non-issue] error: failed to initialize alpm library / Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2021-12-09 19:52:32	pulec	 > [ 2/18] RUN pacman -Syu --noconfirm:
2021-12-09 19:52:34	pulec	#5 0.288 error: failed to initialize alpm library:
2021-12-09 19:52:36	pulec	rip
2021-12-09 19:52:56	brejela	Any reason why you're not just running a VM?
2021-12-09 19:53:08	pulec	macOS catalina 10.15.7
2021-12-09 19:53:14	petaflot	`man` -> "bash: man: commad not found" really?!?!?!?!?
2021-12-09 19:53:17	pulec	brejela: it's just simple layer where I run vpn and use ssh through it
2021-12-09 19:53:30	pulec	no need to have vm for that
2021-12-09 19:53:30	Betal	petaflot: install it
2021-12-09 19:53:32	teraflops	brejela: yeah
2021-12-09 19:53:54	brejela	pulec: Aaah. Then I'd suggest you fix your docker-compose file and add your packages directly into it.
2021-12-09 19:53:54	pulec	I am just thinking of rewriting the Dockerfile for alpine
2021-12-09 19:54:06	brejela	So it deploys with your packages from the get-go.
2021-12-09 19:54:06	pulec	hm what to fix?
2021-12-09 19:54:16	petaflot	Betal: that seems just so absurd. like.. I dunno... requesting me to install the drivers for tty
2021-12-09 19:54:16	pulec	I am simply trying one Dockerfile and it fails on first command
2021-12-09 19:54:29	pulec	petaflot: you freshly installed?
2021-12-09 19:54:34	petaflot	pulec: yes
2021-12-09 19:54:41	pulec	you installed with pacstrap base linux linux-firmware?
2021-12-09 19:54:43	Betal	petaflot: when you installed arch, didn't you installed a kernel too?
2021-12-09 19:55:03	brejela	When I installed arch, it didn't come with man. I had to install it.
2021-12-09 19:55:14	MrElendig	pulec: install guide told you that you might want to install man
2021-12-09 19:55:18	MrElendig	er.. petaflot 
2021-12-09 19:55:27	Betal	petaflot: neither kernel is installed by default, why would be 'man'
2021-12-09 19:55:28	petaflot	Betal: the machine boots, I pacstrapped base and whatever the manual suggested to install
2021-12-09 19:55:32	pulec	:-)
2021-12-09 19:55:33	brejela	pulec: I assume your dockerfile just deploys an arch image.
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2021-12-09 19:56:11	MrElendig	petaflot: you just copy/pasted the single pacstrap command?
2021-12-09 19:56:18	pulec	it's literally: FROM archlinux:latest;RUN pacman -Syu --noconfirm
2021-12-09 19:56:48	DrRac27[m]	I have the same problem on debian and if you want some terrible advice that you should not do for anything other than playing: Download the packages manually, COPY them into the container and just untar them. Of course you need to handle dependencies manually and everything will break sooner or later but it works for my purposes
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2021-12-09 19:57:15	petaflot	like... there's this gentoo project for raspi, that "automatically" installs nano+vim+emacs (really... who needs all three) but stuff like manpages is like "do you want to install a shell"
2021-12-09 19:57:28	pulec	brejela: it's fine on arch, so I blame kernel and something glibc is related to
2021-12-09 19:57:29	brejela	pulec: Just make a dockerfile to deploy an alpine image with the packages you want.
2021-12-09 19:57:37	pulec	yeah, alpining it
2021-12-09 19:57:37	petaflot	DrRac27[m]: that really makes me want to go to LFS
2021-12-09 19:57:49	pulec	just sad to net get arch working properly, well up to date one
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2021-12-09 19:58:28	petaflot	.. or give up working with technology altogether, becoming some bird or earthworm or a f*ing tomato plant 
2021-12-09 19:59:45	brejela	pulec: another option is building your own arch image with all the proper glibc crap.
2021-12-09 20:00:27	pulec	brejela: well the link to the patch I linked is only for specific arch, not latest docker image
2021-12-09 20:00:34	petaflot	so if anybody is willing to tell me which package I need to install to install man pages I will be greatful (although to be fully honest I have not even heatig at home, inside temperature is around 5°C  so all I could get you is a cup of tea for thanks)
2021-12-09 20:00:41	pulec	sudo pacman -S man
2021-12-09 20:00:46	teraflops	pulec: do you have the docker compose file? I do have a macos machine right here
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2021-12-09 20:00:55	pulec	yup
2021-12-09 20:01:00	pulec	which macOS
2021-12-09 20:01:25	pulec	it's just those two lines really to test it: FROM archlinux:latest;RUN pacman -Syu --noconfirm 
2021-12-09 20:01:28	teraflops	monterey on M1
2021-12-09 20:01:29	petaflot	pulec thanks ut don't event mention sudo
2021-12-09 20:01:33	pulec	latest stuff, neat
2021-12-09 20:01:55	petaflot	this noob stuff is really getting on my nerves
2021-12-09 20:01:55	teraflops	let's try
2021-12-09 20:02:05	pulec	our company has our shitty 2018 pro books locked to catalina
2021-12-09 20:02:13	petaflot	reaking everythig that worked
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2021-12-09 20:02:27	pulec	great
2021-12-09 20:02:29	pulec	!next
2021-12-09 20:02:29	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2021-12-09 20:02:39	pulec	it's better to read wiki, or ask nicely than go ree about it btw
2021-12-09 20:02:50	pulec	don't be mrmnaugh pls
2021-12-09 20:03:03	petaflot	should I use "Repository core: man-db" or "Repository community: mandoc" ?
2021-12-09 20:03:08	pulec	just hit enter
2021-12-09 20:03:21	MrElendig	petaflot: "The base package does not include all tools from the live installation, so installing other packages may be necessary for a fully functional base system. In particular, consider installing:  packages for accessing documentation in man and info pages: man-db, man-pages and texinfo."
2021-12-09 20:03:23	petaflot	pulec: I whish I could ask some mermaisds
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2021-12-09 20:04:13	pulec	same as you don't find any man in many docker images, they are intended for running things, not reading manuals
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2021-12-09 20:07:01	petaflot	pulec: thank you (I really mean it) : you just reminded me of the meaning of my life : doing things, not reading manuals
2021-12-09 20:07:11	pulec	wat
2021-12-09 20:07:12	petaflot	f*ing 42
2021-12-09 20:07:14	pulec	RTFM mate
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2021-12-09 20:08:37	⚡ 	petaflot wonders when f* will be censored by whatever censors "fuck" too
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2021-12-09 20:11:15	petaflot	just forget it... you guys are probably as hopeless as I am with all this nonsense. thanks for your help, at least I can get a few man pages
2021-12-09 20:12:12	mefistofeles	!next
2021-12-09 20:12:12	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2021-12-09 20:13:24	petaflot	just out of curiosity (and really, no offense I know the arch team is basically just packaging stuff) does ayone know why I get "/tmp/man.XXXXdq9iRG" at the bottom of my screen when I type "man yay" ?
2021-12-09 20:13:53	petaflot	like.. is there no actual file to read?
2021-12-09 20:14:46	⚡ 	petaflot wants to be rude but is going to refrain it because it/he/she knows it won't help
2021-12-09 20:16:38	morganamilo	Man pages are compressed so maybe that. But I assume man would stream the file not extract to temp 
2021-12-09 20:17:35	cdown	it really depends on how you configured your pager
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2021-12-09 20:19:04	pulec	teraflops: any success?
2021-12-09 20:19:20	pulec	docker exec -it $(echo $(docker ps | grep "arch:latest" | rev| cut -d ' ' -f 1) | rev)
2021-12-09 20:19:23	pulec	lol
2021-12-09 20:19:31	pulec	somehow mac does not run my container with proper name so this is the way
2021-12-09 20:19:42	petaflot	pulec: I'm actually tryig to print a test page with cups ; unfortunately no success yet
2021-12-09 20:19:57	cdown	petaflot: not having man pages makes a lot more sense when you consider that there's no reason to install them on servers, and they not only take space there, but also cause load during db generation.
2021-12-09 20:20:39	cdown	to be honest, the whole architecture for man pages is a legacy from much more capacity-limited days. it's not a rational design for 2021
2021-12-09 20:20:42	petaflot	cdown: this totally makes sense and I agree
2021-12-09 20:22:15	⚡ 	petaflot is depressed, upset, cold (no heating in the house since march, current T is 5°C, knows you people are really not for much in this
2021-12-09 20:22:58	petaflot	and whoever is responsible for this situation (and yours!) is either on a beach sipping a cocktail or on a yacht doing the same
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2021-12-09 20:23:11	mefistofeles	petaflot: calm down, you are not helping yourself...
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2021-12-09 20:23:18	NetSysFire	did you try compiling packages to get warm
2021-12-09 20:23:25	mefistofeles	interesting, I actually personally know the maintainer of man-pages :P
2021-12-09 20:23:33	mefistofeles	great guy, not rich, at all
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2021-12-09 20:24:24	Intimidated	why does #arch seem to get all the drama :P
2021-12-09 20:25:00	petaflot	mefistofeles: maybe I am, actually. I know this is no therapy chanel but I actually feel better because I _somehow_ feel like I'm being understood. shrinks (and politicians, and ... ) are so far from the problems we are facing I have no way of communicating with them
2021-12-09 20:25:19	petaflot	Intimidated: oh really look around there's drama everywheree
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2021-12-09 20:26:42	teraflops	pulec: I cannot build xhyve on M1 there's a bug
2021-12-09 20:27:24	pulec	xhyve? heh?
2021-12-09 20:27:26	pulec	using macports?
2021-12-09 20:27:46	⚡ 	petaflot would love to share a glass of absinth (it's a local product) with anyone here who would like to share ; too bad we haven't yet found a way to RX/TX those things through wires better than just naming them
2021-12-09 20:27:46	pulec	or is brew fine on the m1?
2021-12-09 20:27:58	alad	Intimidated: drama!?!?!? WHERE
2021-12-09 20:28:02	pulec	petaflot: on offtopic ppl will have anything with you
2021-12-09 20:28:04	pulec	!offtopic
2021-12-09 20:28:04	phrik	Take it to #archlinux-offtopic
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2021-12-09 20:28:11	teraflops	it is it's just https://github.com/machyve/xhyve/issues/218
2021-12-09 20:28:15	teraflops	yeah
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2021-12-09 20:28:34	teraflops	sorry
2021-12-09 20:28:35	alad	petaflot: install gentoo and have extra heating for your room
2021-12-09 20:29:02	alad	also since when do "yay" users read man pages
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2021-12-09 20:29:21	alad	my world beliefs are shaken
2021-12-09 20:29:35	morganamilo	lol
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2021-12-09 20:29:42	Intimidated	Honestly? I find, in the vast majority if cases, man pages are horrible to read and you find your answer more quickly through google.
2021-12-09 20:29:47	Intimidated	of*
2021-12-09 20:30:21	mefistofeles	Intimidated: I agree, there's nothing like getting https://linux.die.net/man/ from web search results
2021-12-09 20:30:22	earnestly	How would you know they were horrible to read without reading?
2021-12-09 20:30:22	phrik	Title: Linux man pages (at linux.die.net)
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2021-12-09 20:30:45	earnestly	*opens manpage, *Eugh!*, *googles instead*
2021-12-09 20:30:50	alad	:D
2021-12-09 20:30:55	NetSysFire	!grab earnestly
2021-12-09 20:30:55	phrik	NetSysFire: Tada!
2021-12-09 20:31:13	morganamilo	just make a man page that looks like the google home page
2021-12-09 20:31:22	alad	"opens 1 man page" "Eugh!" "all man pages are terrible"
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2021-12-09 20:31:45	mefistofeles	"opens 1 man page" "Stuck in it forever"
2021-12-09 20:31:50	alad	:D
2021-12-09 20:31:57	⚡ 	alad hands mefistofeles the zsh man page
2021-12-09 20:32:01	alad	man zshall :O
2021-12-09 20:32:01	petaflot	https://perdu.com/
2021-12-09 20:32:03	phrik	Title: Vous Etes Perdu ? (at perdu.com)
2021-12-09 20:32:08	⚡ 	NetSysFire gives alad the bash manpage
2021-12-09 20:32:12	river	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/anki whats happening here?
2021-12-09 20:32:14	phrik	Title: Anki - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2021-12-09 20:32:14	river	why can
2021-12-09 20:32:17	river	't I just do pacman -S anki
2021-12-09 20:32:17	alad	NetSysFire: I prefer "info bash", that one has actual examples
2021-12-09 20:32:28	rcf	:O an info user! 
2021-12-09 20:32:31	alad	!!
2021-12-09 20:32:32	phrik	POPOZÃO!
2021-12-09 20:32:34	NetSysFire	rcf: because its in the aur
2021-12-09 20:32:39	NetSysFire	err river
2021-12-09 20:32:39	cdown	river: because it's on the aur
2021-12-09 20:32:40	Namarrgon	river: anki is in the river
2021-12-09 20:32:41	Intimidated	well, I have been using linux for 25 years and i've seen one or two man pages in my time. These days I just google (and ignore any results from linux.die.net :P)
2021-12-09 20:32:44	Namarrgon	ugh
2021-12-09 20:32:46	cdown	Namarrgon: lol
2021-12-09 20:32:46	Namarrgon	river: anki is in the aur
2021-12-09 20:32:55	⚡ 	NetSysFire throws Namarrgon into the river
2021-12-09 20:32:56	river	why not bring it into the proper repos
2021-12-09 20:32:57	cdown	Namarrgon: ok, that one got a laugh out of me
2021-12-09 20:33:06	NetSysFire	river: because no TU cares for it
2021-12-09 20:33:14	river	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/anki/ this seems out of date? can I help contribute a fix somehow
2021-12-09 20:33:16	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - anki (at aur.archlinux.org)
2021-12-09 20:33:19	river	so its the latest version
2021-12-09 20:33:20	mefistofeles	it's because anki doesn't have an ugly enough man page
2021-12-09 20:33:23	mefistofeles	right?
2021-12-09 20:33:24	Namarrgon	don't rely on tab-completion too much, kids, it will bite you
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2021-12-09 20:33:33	NetSysFire	bribe a TU and it might land in the repos
2021-12-09 20:33:44	Namarrgon	it was dropped from the repos because it's a mess
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2021-12-09 20:34:05	pulec	teraflops: rip, thanks tho
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2021-12-09 20:34:50	teraflops	pulec: ill try another approach ill pm you when I run the container
2021-12-09 20:34:55	kevr	damn, anki needs to do something with their website
2021-12-09 20:35:02	kevr	that shit's hella 1995
2021-12-09 20:35:14	river	what is a TU
2021-12-09 20:35:15	cdown	kevr: it's the vintage "education website" feel
2021-12-09 20:35:21	river	is that like the alphas from brave new world
2021-12-09 20:35:31	cdown	river: Toomanypackages User
2021-12-09 20:35:31	pulec	teraflops: 'brew install docker' is nono?
2021-12-09 20:35:32	Namarrgon	river: a Trusted User, [community] maintainers
2021-12-09 20:35:34	river	and users like me are the deltas
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2021-12-09 20:35:40	river	ic
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2021-12-09 20:36:10	river	hey wait a sec
2021-12-09 20:36:17	river	can I just install this with pip virtualenv
2021-12-09 20:36:24	alad	river: Terminal Users
2021-12-09 20:36:37	Namarrgon	that will be even more painful than building the AUR package
2021-12-09 20:36:41	alad	terminal because TUs are on life support
2021-12-09 20:37:18	alad	kevr: man do you want a 50mb javascript thing instead that needs one page for a single word
2021-12-09 20:37:27	kevr	pipwhat is up with their project, they have like zero documentation about anything
2021-12-09 20:37:31	kevr	geez
2021-12-09 20:37:46	kevr	alad: of course!
2021-12-09 20:37:49	cdown	alad: 50mb anki database containing all the information you could know about anki
2021-12-09 20:37:54	kevr	without bloat, what are we?
2021-12-09 20:37:58	cdown	learn it just through flashcards over 7 weeks
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2021-12-09 20:38:07	alad	kevr: you may not like it but this is what peak web design looks like https://pkgbuild.com/~alad/ :O
2021-12-09 20:38:08	cdown	on the last day you get to learn the download link
2021-12-09 20:38:08	phrik	Title: ekeyrevoked (at pkgbuild.com)
2021-12-09 20:38:09	kevr	a bunch of pathetic bloatless users
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2021-12-09 20:38:27	kevr	alad: bootyful!
2021-12-09 20:38:29	alad	NO javascript NO CSS (because I can't write either of those), just HTML 4
2021-12-09 20:38:35	kevr	lol
2021-12-09 20:38:53	kevr	is that actually run by a db or is it just .html blogs
2021-12-09 20:38:53	alad	actually I think there's a single line of CSS
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2021-12-09 20:39:03	kevr	wow dude
2021-12-09 20:39:10	kevr	you'd written a great set of doc
2021-12-09 20:39:10	alad	kevr: it's HTML written in konqueror
2021-12-09 20:39:14	kevr	you've*
2021-12-09 20:39:20	alad	an ancient HTML editor from early 2000s which doesn't even compile on arch
2021-12-09 20:39:29	alad	kevr: :O
2021-12-09 20:39:33	kevr	i love it
2021-12-09 20:39:42	kevr	its like a wiki page without all the bullshit
2021-12-09 20:39:47	alad	\o/
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2021-12-09 20:40:07	alad	yeah I figured this would be better than everyone shouting at me "alad you changed everything again and I have NO idea"
2021-12-09 20:40:18	kevr	\o/
2021-12-09 20:40:32	earnestly	Still think the table columns for commands could be wider as the 'Notes' section is more naturally wrapping than commands
2021-12-09 20:40:33	kevr	i'm using conventional commits now with a program called uhh... `git-cliff`
2021-12-09 20:40:39	kevr	it generates changelogs out of commits
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2021-12-09 20:41:50	alad	earnestly: I even forgot how I set the width
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2021-12-09 20:42:41	alad	I wrote a webpage once and forgot everything about HTML the next day
2021-12-09 20:43:30	teraflops	do people write actual html code? that's too 90'ish
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2021-12-09 20:44:13	alad	teraflops: I'm a 90s guy
2021-12-09 20:44:25	alad	still easier than figure out those bullshit blog generators
2021-12-09 20:44:57	teraflops	people now call frameworks on top of frameworks 
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2021-12-09 20:45:10	teraflops	idk, that's crazy
2021-12-09 20:45:13	alad	yeah
2021-12-09 20:45:32	alad	I mean if it takes longer to figure out your blog framework, than to write your actual blog, you've gone wrong somewhere
2021-12-09 20:45:42	teraflops	true
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2021-12-09 20:45:56	earnestly	The ideal pathway imo is raw html -> templates
2021-12-09 20:46:02	earnestly	And skip frameworks entirely
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2021-12-09 20:46:09	earnestly	(Thus creating your own)
2021-12-09 20:46:21	earnestly	E.g. use m4 to generate html
2021-12-09 20:46:23	teraflops	there are these static web generators using jinja
2021-12-09 20:46:30	teraflops	I once tried one
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2021-12-09 20:47:03	earnestly	It comes with an 'API', too complicated
2021-12-09 20:47:15	alad	templates as in <template> or
2021-12-09 20:47:30	earnestly	alad: No that's a javascript thing, I mean templates that generate chunks of html
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2021-12-09 20:47:33	earnestly	(and css)
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2021-12-09 20:48:49	alad	hmmm
2021-12-09 20:49:07	earnestly	alad: (<template> is shadowdom stuff, so that you can have some html which your javascript can get its teeth into which it uses to generate the real html from)
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2021-12-09 20:49:34	earnestly	(Rather than creating the html manually from javascript directly)
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2021-12-09 20:50:30	alad	web stuff is weird
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2021-12-09 20:50:49	earnestly	alad: vanillajs is okay
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2021-12-09 20:51:34	earnestly	alad: (Now that javascript/emcascript has let bindings (lexical), almost all of the most horrible hacks disappear)
2021-12-09 20:51:55	teraflops	we do react at $work, just a bunch of js
2021-12-09 20:51:57	earnestly	And you can continue making quite straight forward callback based things
2021-12-09 20:52:06	earnestly	No need for more complexity than that
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2021-12-09 20:53:08	alad	nice
2021-12-09 20:53:16	ℹ 	Nnnavd es conocido ahora como Nnavd
2021-12-09 20:53:20	alad	I should look at it
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2021-12-09 21:06:24	petaflot	alad: get a life
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2021-12-09 21:07:33	mefistofeles	:/
2021-12-09 21:07:38	mefistofeles	petaflot: why being so rude?
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2021-12-09 21:09:02	rcf	If it were anyone other than alad I'd agree with this question 
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2021-12-09 21:09:07	alad	petaflot: excuse me?
2021-12-09 21:09:33	alad	phrik: give rcf oi
2021-12-09 21:09:34	phrik	rcf: https://voca.ro/68s2huT5fGk
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2021-12-09 21:23:19	klotzhauer	how can i make dns work in chrooted postfix smtp?
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2021-12-09 21:24:58	klotzhauer	with chroot: 450 4.7.25 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname
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2021-12-09 21:25:45	klotzhauer	smtp without chroot dns resolves fine, nothing gets rejected
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2021-12-09 21:26:22	Intimidated	sounds like you need to fix your hostname under the chroot
2021-12-09 21:27:03	Intimidated	like /var/spool/postfix/etc/hostname?
2021-12-09 21:27:33	ℹ 	jinsun__ es conocido ahora como jinsun
2021-12-09 21:27:33	Intimidated	and /var/spool/postfix/etc/hosts
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2021-12-09 21:28:27	klotzhauer	there is no etc in /var/spool/postfix/ ... investigating
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2021-12-17 17:43:42	kuhilas	I try now reproduce the problem but I edit the i3 execution like this exec i3 -V -d all &>> "$HOME/i3.log"
2021-12-17 17:43:53	ponies	exec i3 --shmlog-size=26214400
2021-12-17 17:44:04	ponies	like that kuhilas ^ in xinitrc wtf u doing? 
2021-12-17 17:45:38	bud	*#i3@oftc
2021-12-17 17:45:52	Bayes	I upgraded via pacman and now I have python 3.10, I also rebuilt the openconnect-sso package from AUR cause it depends on python. And I'm getting this... error? https://pastebin.com/ztKu2fdU any thoughts?
2021-12-17 17:45:52	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/-CPd.txt
2021-12-17 17:45:53	phrik	Title: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/openconnect-sso", line 33, - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-12-17 17:46:09	kuhilas	at the end of xinitrc I added that but your line implies adding a log size, but not defining anything else
2021-12-17 17:47:57	ponies	# exec i3 -V >> ~/i3log-$(date +'%F-%k-%M-%S') 2>&1
2021-12-17 17:47:59	ponies	# exec i3 -V >> ~/i3log-$(date +'%F-%k-%M-%S') 2>&1
2021-12-17 17:48:58	thurstylark	I'm trying to get pipewire to start with a higher rtkit priority and a lower nice level, but I'm getting permission denied for some reason. I've created a limits conf to allow members of the pipewire group to go up to 95 and down to -19 respectively, but I'm still getting denied: https://paste.xinu.at/m-RmAY/
2021-12-17 17:49:02	phrik	Title: Multipaste (3 files) - 95-pipewire.conf, systemctl --user status pipewire.service, id (at paste.xinu.at)
2021-12-17 17:49:06	thurstylark	what am I missing here
2021-12-17 17:49:11	bud	exec urxvt -e bash -c i3
2021-12-17 17:49:47	ponies	bud stop please
2021-12-17 17:49:57	bud	what
2021-12-17 17:50:17	bud	thats a good on topic help
2021-12-17 17:52:03	bud	maybe exec urxvt -e bash -c "i3 -V" ; is better, but if you do that you will have the output of i3 in a terminal, its neat.
2021-12-17 17:53:02	bud	personally i start i3 with systemd and have the output of journald filtered by i3 in a urxvt instance.
2021-12-17 17:54:06	ponies	!bail 
2021-12-17 17:54:07	phrik	Looks like ponies is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2021-12-17 17:56:22	thrice	and if that urxvt instances crashes or dies...?
2021-12-17 17:56:44	bud	yeah, then i3 dies. thats why i do the systemd, journald thing now.
2021-12-17 17:57:12	bud	but in this case just to troubleshoot some startup shenanigans and since he already used urxvt, i think it is fine.
2021-12-17 17:57:58	bud	also the startup shenanigans is what i said. add --no-startup-id to ALL exec
2021-12-17 17:59:12	bud	and if it is started with urxvt and not urxvtc it is extremely unlikely that urxvt instance would crash. 
2021-12-17 17:59:30	bud	it is possible to accidentally kill it manually though..
2021-12-17 17:59:51	thrice	yeah, seems like a terrible idea
2021-12-17 17:59:54	thrice	:D
2021-12-17 18:00:34	bud	depends, if you are interested in seeing the output of i3 commands in real time. it is not a bad idea.
2021-12-17 18:01:14	bud	but ofc better to just display the log.
2021-12-17 18:01:26	bud	exec i3 -V <- .xinitrc
2021-12-17 18:01:51	bud	or i guess, > /tmp/sumlog
2021-12-17 18:01:57	mongy	exec systemd-cat --identifier=i3 i3            ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2021-12-17 18:03:52	bud	cool
2021-12-17 18:23:51	TheSilentLink	how do I find what package a command is in?
2021-12-17 18:24:50	ponies	pacman -Fy pkg
2021-12-17 18:27:19	ponies	pkg == command
2021-12-17 18:27:20	thrice	?pkgfile which
2021-12-17 18:27:20	@EMIYA	thrice: core/which 2.21-5 (/usr/bin/which), extra/zsh, community-testing/ceph-mgr, community/apm, community/atom, community/bower, community/ceph-mgr, community/cordova, community/grunt-cli, community/gulp, community/hedgedoc, community/matrix-appservice-irc, community/phonegap, community/serverless, community/stylelint, community/web-ext
2021-12-17 18:27:31	thrice	or abuse the bot
2021-12-17 18:27:41	thrice	(in private)
2021-12-17 18:27:43	thrice	:>
2021-12-17 18:27:45	Khorne	ponies, ugh, that´s also wrong..
2021-12-17 18:27:51	Khorne	pacman -F /path/to/command
2021-12-17 18:28:42	nzeo	Khorne: better: pacman -F command
2021-12-17 18:28:42	ponies	no i thought he was trying to lookup a command .. like find what pkg has netcat
2021-12-17 18:29:02	nzeo	because, otherwise u must guess the path
2021-12-17 18:29:02	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-12-17 18:29:30	nzeo	`pacman -Fy` first to update the db
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2021-12-17 18:29:46	Khorne	Technically sudo pacman -Fy :')
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2021-12-17 18:29:58	ponies	o7
2021-12-17 18:30:15	Khorne	And -F just lists everything that matches the name, not necessarily commands alone..
2021-12-17 18:30:23	Khorne	s/name/query/
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2021-12-17 18:30:39	ponies	idk if its wrong to sync the mirrors though
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2021-12-17 18:31:23	nzeo	true: so `sudo pacman -F $CMD | grep bin`
2021-12-17 18:31:28	ponies	dont they say, if you sync db and dont update, you get smited 
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2021-12-17 18:32:26	Khorne	-F is different
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2021-12-17 18:33:53	Khorne	In the sense that it's not using the Sync database, but a separate files database
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2021-12-17 18:34:49	ponies	oh nice 
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2021-12-17 18:38:17	kuhilas	so by killing the urxvt with weechat running and waiting a long time and then rebooting, it still hangs. I then upon buut tried running uxterm and weechat from there, same problem. Rebooting hangs. I just need to run a terminal and weechat and wait until it connects to matrix, then kill that terminal and try reboot it seems. I have also xterm, but when I try launch xterm from rofi I get errors.
2021-12-17 18:38:17	kuhilas	I would need to figure out how to configure it
2021-12-17 18:38:17	kuhilas	properly. If I run xterm from urxvt then it works normally. Anyway, I have `uxterm` and that runs from rofi but yeah, same prob
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2021-12-17 18:39:20	ponies	03:29  ponies     >> but its not urxvt
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2021-12-17 18:41:05	mrenkey	Hi everyone. Help anyone, i have problem with starting Xorg with Mate. I have Nvidia, tried starting with gdm and xinit. Also tried installing Mate on clean Arch Linux install.
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2021-12-17 18:41:17	kuhilas	what should I look for in the i3 log file if something is there?
2021-12-17 18:41:23	kuhilas	or is this the right time to move to #i3
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2021-12-17 18:41:36	mrenkey	My xorg logs show segmentation error.
2021-12-17 18:42:01	ponies	03:25  ponies     >> kuhilas: also post i3 logs
2021-12-17 18:42:35	kuhilas	it's just all worked good until yesterday's pacman -Syu
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2021-12-17 18:43:20	thrice	MercilessDeth: paste your xorg log, maybe?
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2021-12-17 18:49:39	mrenkey	Pls help
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2021-12-17 18:50:18	Namarrgon	mrenkey: post the xorg log that contains the segfault
2021-12-17 18:50:29	thrice	oops, bad tab-complete.  yeah, post your log
2021-12-17 18:50:48	ponies	mrenkey: idk about your desktop environments
2021-12-17 18:50:57	ponies	!give mrenkey aw mate
2021-12-17 18:50:59	phrik	mrenkey: Mate - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Mate
2021-12-17 18:51:26	ℹ 	jinsun___ es conocido ahora como jinsun
2021-12-17 18:51:27	mrenkey	Yes ik, rtfm lol, but i didn't found any help all around internet
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2021-12-17 18:52:47	ponies	mrenkey: but seriously which desktop manager did you want? 
2021-12-17 18:53:10	mrenkey	ponies: wdym?
2021-12-17 18:53:27	thrice	why are you not posting your X log...?
2021-12-17 18:53:43	mrenkey	btw i run rootless xorg
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2021-12-17 18:54:01	ponies	your not meant to run x as root 
2021-12-17 18:54:13	mrenkey	thrice: cant rn sorry
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2021-12-17 18:54:16	kuhilas	ponies: even when I boot the pc and do the problem and reboot, the 2 minutes worth of logging is 1.5M and 13k lines
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2021-12-17 18:54:28	thrice	why can't you?
2021-12-17 18:54:33	ponies	!paste
2021-12-17 18:54:34	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2021-12-17 18:54:47	thrice	and, how do you expect people to help if you cannot post logs?
2021-12-17 18:55:11	mrenkey	I read this log, there is nothing helpful, only segfault
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2021-12-17 18:55:45	Namarrgon	we can't help you if you don't help us
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2021-12-17 18:57:35	earnestly	MacGyver: If you haven't seen it before: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecomment-894619419
2021-12-17 18:57:58	kuhilas	http://sprunge.us/YlvQOh  <- i3 log. I guess the problems comes at the end of the file since it stops writing when I boot etc
2021-12-17 18:58:05	MacGyver	earnestly: I think I saw that analysis, yeah.
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2021-12-17 18:58:34	earnestly	Very bizarre
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2021-12-17 18:59:50	earnestly	MacGyver: I appreciate that the people at youtube aren't very bright as otherwise they might have been able to stop youtube-dl and its users
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2021-12-17 19:00:46	ponies	i3 is version 4.20 :) 
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2021-12-17 19:11:35	kuhilas	that could explain, it's too weeeee and starts procrastinating high up in the chat when it sees a weechat
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2021-12-17 19:13:35	mrenkey	:(
2021-12-17 19:13:40	bud	4.20 , dude
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2021-12-17 19:15:42	bud	bizarre: http://www.vide.memoire.free.fr/perso/OneStepBack/onestepback.php#12 <- install on arch, download zip. the zip only contains a PKGBUILD, now that's bizarre.
2021-12-17 19:15:43	phrik	Title: OneStepBack (at www.vide.memoire.free.fr)
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2021-12-17 19:16:55	bud	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2cMG33mWVY
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2021-12-17 19:17:17	Zambzuga	Never before ran arch on an laptop with AMD cpu and integreated GPU, do i need to install any packages/drivers?
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2021-12-17 19:18:10	ponies	Zambzuga: follow the install guide
2021-12-17 19:18:16	ponies	!give Zambzuga aw install guide
2021-12-17 19:18:18	phrik	Zambzuga: Install guide - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_guide
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2021-12-17 19:22:16	kuhilas	if I do something like go to tty2 and type `pkill i3` it pops up to tty1 and starts a new i3 session I guess, but that doesn't help either even if I instantly then try to reboot, it still "remembers" that old weechat that I had running on the earlier i3 
2021-12-17 19:22:47	bud	ghost in the shell
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2021-12-17 19:24:23	ponies	kuhilas: can you start typing something that makes sense 
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2021-12-17 19:27:07	kuhilas	meaning that it's hanging for 2mins when I boot just like every time I have had weechat running 
2021-12-17 19:27:43	kuhilas	but if I boot, then never run a weechat, do something else and boot, there is no 2 mins delay
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2021-12-17 19:28:39	bud	kuhilas: did you try adding the --no-startup-id flag to ALL execs in your exec command?
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2021-12-17 19:29:06	kuhilas	boot -> run weechat -> go tty2 -> kill i3 -> back to tty1 -> boot -> hangs  .. so booting i3 doesn't do anything, that is if 'pkill i3' in tty2 is doing that anyway
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2021-12-17 19:29:57	kuhilas	workspace 3; exec --no-startup-id urxvt; workspace 2; exec --no-startup-id
2021-12-17 19:30:08	kuhilas	this was not a proper line, the config whines about it
2021-12-17 19:30:15	bud	...
2021-12-17 19:30:23	kuhilas	so i reverted back my old line when someone said having i3-msg was ok
2021-12-17 19:30:41	bud	exec_always --no-startup-id i3-msg 'workspace 3; exec --no-startup-id urxvt; workspace 2; exec --no-startup-id'
2021-12-17 19:31:52	bud	oops, add urxvt to the end.
2021-12-17 19:32:03	bud	exec_always --no-startup-id i3-msg 'workspace 3; exec --no-startup-id urxvt; workspace 2; exec --no-startup-id urxvt'
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2021-12-17 19:32:42	kuhilas	yup noticed had that missing too. I have many other exec lines on i3 config, I execute sxhkd, antimicrox and stuff but I guess I'll add to them all
2021-12-17 19:33:14	bud	you can also create a autoexec.bash script, with that stuff, and start that script from the i3 config instead to keep config cleaner.
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2021-12-17 19:33:49	bud	protip: add this line to i3config: set $exec exec --no-startup-id
2021-12-17 19:34:02	bud	then replace all your 'exec' with $exec 
2021-12-17 19:34:40	bud	$exec will "expand" to exec --no-startup-id
2021-12-17 19:34:58	bud	i3 config have this strange variable system, you can add anything to variables.
2021-12-17 19:35:05	bud	even commands.
2021-12-17 19:35:26	bud	set $supercool bindsym Mod4
2021-12-17 19:35:40	bud	$supercool+w $exec pidgin
2021-12-17 19:36:02	bud	instead of: bindsym Mod4+w exec --no-startup-id pidgin
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2021-12-17 19:38:17	bud	set $terminal exec --no-startup-id urxvt
2021-12-17 19:38:30	bud	$supercool+w $terminal weechat
2021-12-17 19:39:13	bud	oops, add -c to terminal line
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2021-12-17 19:42:34	kuhilas	naah, I manually run the weechat from the terminal :p
2021-12-17 19:42:38	bud	or -e
2021-12-17 19:42:57	bud	cool
2021-12-17 19:42:58	kuhilas	I edited all, I try boot once more 
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2021-12-17 19:43:46	bud	i think all terminal emulators have -e option for launch command.
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2021-12-17 20:10:53	Konsgn	nope, raid is not an option for the B560I
2021-12-17 20:16:57	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-12-17 20:21:11	Konsgn	I'm ready to burn this thing
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2021-12-17 20:30:25	Namarrgon	you installed arch manually or used archinstall?
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2021-12-17 20:32:05	Konsgn	used archband abinstaller
2021-12-17 20:32:21	Konsgn	tried every bootloader
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2021-12-17 20:32:43	Konsgn	tried arch-chroot grub-install a bunch with --removable and not.
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2021-12-17 20:32:55	Konsgn	tried bootctl install
2021-12-17 20:33:01	NetSysFire	archbang?
2021-12-17 20:33:03	Konsgn	yea
2021-12-17 20:33:07	Hydragyrum	!give Konsgn notarch
2021-12-17 20:33:07	phrik	Konsgn: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
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2021-12-17 20:34:01	Konsgn	alright, so running a live usb, how would i install
2021-12-17 20:34:37	NetSysFire	!give Konsgn aw installation guide
2021-12-17 20:34:39	phrik	Konsgn: Installation guide - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide
2021-12-17 20:34:52	Konsgn	yup, that's what I followed too
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2021-12-17 20:35:03	Namarrgon	that wouldn't install archbang
2021-12-17 20:35:09	NetSysFire	true
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2021-12-17 20:35:59	Konsgn	I feel like I have tried to install everything at this point
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2021-12-17 20:37:10	Konsgn	most telling is that I can get a boot entry entered when I do a bootloader install in efibootmgr, but when i reboot to uefi shell, no partition shows up
2021-12-17 20:37:37	Namarrgon	intsall arch following the installation guide again, then report back
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2021-12-17 20:42:17	rbancroft	I'm getting download errors with pacstrap, being rate limited... is there any easy way to rate limit pacstrap/pacman?
2021-12-17 20:42:46	Namarrgon	switch to a better mirror instead
2021-12-17 20:43:07	rbancroft	:D ok
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2021-12-17 20:49:06	ℹ 	tam1m_ es conocido ahora como tam1m
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2021-12-17 20:55:01	dirac	Hola
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2021-12-17 20:57:02	ℹ 	duxco es conocido ahora como duxsco
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2021-12-17 21:03:29	Konsgn	is there a way to pretend to be a windows efi stub?
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2021-12-17 21:11:37	gpiccoli	Hey folks, I have a question about PKGBUILD - I'm installing a file into a system directory (a systemd service) - I'm using "install -D -m<perm> file /lib/systemd/system/file" . Problem: after package generation, when I tried pacman -U <mypkg>, I got an error of conflicting files, "/lib exists in filesystem (owned by filesystem)"
2021-12-17 21:12:04	gpiccoli	Is there a way to install tgis file there without requiring a "force" flag on pacman -U ? Tnx in advance !
2021-12-17 21:13:15	mpan	“/usr/lib” ?
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2021-12-17 21:14:49	jkc	How are you creating them?
2021-12-17 21:15:07	jkc	How the hell did my client get scrolled up that far?
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2021-12-17 21:16:09	gpiccoli	mpan, but this is a systemd service, so I'll need it on the systemd service directory! I've checked other pkgs that have files there, like xfsprogs and smartmontools - the trick is that they run a "make install" on package() function, which does the dirty job for them heheh
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2021-12-17 21:16:26	gpiccoli	jkc, these files come in the "bundle" with the PKGBUILD
2021-12-17 21:16:33	jkc	Konsgn: Walk me through exactly what you did to install Arch.
2021-12-17 21:16:35	gpiccoli	my package is self-contained, just some scripts
2021-12-17 21:16:36	mpan	gpiccoli: “/usr/lib/systemd/system/file” 
2021-12-17 21:16:46	jkc	gpiccoli: I was responding to something way the hell in my scrollback, sorry for the confusion.
2021-12-17 21:16:49	Namarrgon	gpiccoli: /lib is a symlink, you don'T want to overwrite it with a directory
2021-12-17 21:17:18	gpiccoli	no problem jkc =)
2021-12-17 21:17:58	gpiccoli	Namarrgon, indeed! What I want is a way of my package just copy my systemd service over there..I don't want it to overwrite
2021-12-17 21:18:07	mpan	gpiccoli: see what I wrote
2021-12-17 21:18:22	Namarrgon	gpiccoli: then don't install to /lib
2021-12-17 21:18:29	gpiccoli	I saw it mpan , thanks. But I checked this folder, no other service is there
2021-12-17 21:18:42	mpan	Well… this is where you try to install it anyway.
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2021-12-17 21:18:52	Namarrgon	"ls -l /usr/lib/systemd/system"
2021-12-17 21:18:59	gpiccoli	Mine would be the only one - I see this folder is full of ".wants" target
2021-12-17 21:19:00	mpan	Those are exactly the same directories. “/lib” is a symlink to “/usr/lib”.
2021-12-17 21:19:34	gpiccoli	ugh, not in my system
2021-12-17 21:19:39	mpan	In Arch.
2021-12-17 21:19:54	gpiccoli	oh, nevermind
2021-12-17 21:19:59	gpiccoli	I'm talking bullshit, sorry heheh
2021-12-17 21:20:01	gpiccoli	You're right!!!
2021-12-17 21:20:16	gpiccoli	let me try your suggetion
2021-12-17 21:20:21	gpiccoli	*suggestion
2021-12-17 21:20:23	gpiccoli	and thanks again!
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2021-12-17 21:21:33	Nomenclatura	Hey! Anybody knows why we don't yet have GLIBC_2.34?
2021-12-17 21:22:14	thrice	grazzolini might know
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2021-12-17 21:23:50	gpiccoli	it worked mpan , thank you !!! 
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2021-12-17 21:33:09	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-12-17 21:35:14	Konsgn	jkc, i installed then tried abinstall to install grub to /boot
2021-12-17 21:35:16	Konsgn	also tried grub-install --removable 
2021-12-17 21:35:22	Konsgn	from arch-chroot
2021-12-17 21:35:35	Konsgn	also tried systemd-boot 
2021-12-17 21:36:11	Furai	What's better combo amd cpu + nvidia or + amd gpu?
2021-12-17 21:36:48	Konsgn	jkc: to clarify, used the abinstaller to install to a sata drive partitioned as gpt with 512meg fat 32/also fat 16 tried partition as efi part
2021-12-17 21:36:55	⚡ 	thurstylark is a big red on red fan :P
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2021-12-19 19:17:46	jelle	I doubt Firefox does anything with gpg unless you enabled ab extension for it 
2021-12-19 19:22:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2021-12-19 19:31:16	cyphertite	perrierjouet:  neither my FF, nor my TBB, have ever requested access to my gpg.  Have a look at keepassxc and wireguard
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2021-12-19 19:31:17	ℹ 	xoan3 es conocido ahora como xoan
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2021-12-19 19:31:48	thurstylark	process tree
2021-12-19 19:31:50	thurstylark	look at it
2021-12-19 19:32:00	Namarrgon	wireguard?
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2021-12-19 19:38:57	Dieterbe	andyrtr++ # record time bugfix, thanks :) 
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2021-12-19 19:48:14	krumelmonster	thanks bud, I'll take a look. I'll also look into pipewire Foxboron. For now I just tried Vital synth which doesn't require Jack so it works however with the keyboard I noticed that my bluetooth amp for which I installed pulseaudio-bluetooth has a latency of about 500ms+ so this wasn't fun to play. Has anyone ever experienced such issues? It might just be a design issue of the amp, but how could
2021-12-19 19:48:14	krumelmonster	I tell?
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2021-12-19 19:48:44	Foxboron	krumelmonster: don't use bluetooth :p
2021-12-19 19:48:47	Foxboron	it's a bad protocol for this
2021-12-19 19:49:07	Foxboron	and linux doesn't support any of the low-latency codecs which makes anything music related work "good enough"
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2021-12-19 19:49:17	bud	krumelmonster: going from pulse to jack will give you a LOT less latency. 
2021-12-19 19:49:25	krumelmonster	This amp only has bluetooth so that's a good idea but I wouldn't be able to play today
2021-12-19 19:49:28	earnestly	bud: (This is not the case)
2021-12-19 19:49:39	Foxboron	You are still dealing with bluetooth :p
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2021-12-19 19:51:19	krumelmonster	bud: switching sound servers can surely influence lateny but more when you want to get from 25 to 20ms. Pulseaudio certainly isn't to blame for the 500ms delay.
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2021-12-19 19:53:31	teraflops	amp + dac? because an amp does not require to be connected to a computer
2021-12-19 19:53:50	Foxboron	krumelmonster: pulseaudio would probably be the bulk of that 500 ms delay with bluetooth in the mix
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2021-12-19 19:58:39	krumelmonster	Foxboron I measured the latency by creating a test sound in audacity in one track and then recording during playback. Using internal speakers, there's virtually no latency, with bluetooth it's the 500ms. Is there really any way other than pulseaudio-bluetooth?
2021-12-19 19:59:42	Foxboron	you are running a test through two different pulse modules. You are still largely bound to how pulse implements the codecs for bluetooth
2021-12-19 20:02:35	teraflops	there are more codecs apart from sbc
2021-12-19 20:02:57	Foxboron	teraflops: not many of them properly implemented
2021-12-19 20:03:27	teraflops	pulseaudio modules bluetooth package ships with aac scb ldap and aptx
2021-12-19 20:03:38	Foxboron	ldap or ldac?
2021-12-19 20:03:49	teraflops	oops ldac
2021-12-19 20:04:04	Hello71	pulseaudio.java
2021-12-19 20:04:05	Foxboron	I was wondering why we needed indentity services over bluetooth!
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2021-12-19 20:04:11	teraflops	haha
2021-12-19 20:04:13	Foxboron	Hello71: jdni would like to have a chat
2021-12-19 20:04:32	Hello71	pulse4j
2021-12-19 20:04:36	Foxboron	I'm still not sure if any of those would be suitable for low-latency stuff that doesn't sound terrile :p
2021-12-19 20:04:48	Foxboron	it's a bit funny how pipewire is behind on codeces now...
2021-12-19 20:05:37	teraflops	I do ldac all the time and I do not have any latency (noticeable)
2021-12-19 20:05:52	Foxboron	teraflops: playing instruments :p?
2021-12-19 20:06:02	teraflops	bt is not for playing instruments
2021-12-19 20:06:06	teraflops	that's plain wring
2021-12-19 20:06:09	teraflops	wrong
2021-12-19 20:06:12	Foxboron	that is what I have been saying the entire time
2021-12-19 20:06:19	Foxboron	and then you are missing half the context of the discussion
2021-12-19 20:06:25	teraflops	sure
2021-12-19 20:07:15	perrierjouet	can anyone access https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/655683790 it's my 2bwm video someone on #archlinux-fr says it does need account
2021-12-19 20:07:21	krumelmonster	teraflops, Foxboron: I switched to pulseaudio-modules-bt (AUR) which got it down to ~150ms using sbc. In pavucontrol I can select other codecs but they're shown as unavailable (e.g. LDAC although libldac is installed). I assume this means the device doesn't support them?..
2021-12-19 20:07:41	Foxboron	krumelmonster: most likely, yes
2021-12-19 20:07:46	teraflops	krumelmonster: yeah 
2021-12-19 20:07:50	teraflops	I also read amp and pulseadio which does not compute as well
2021-12-19 20:08:18	teraflops	krumelmonster: you can tweak sbc a bit more iirc
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2021-12-19 20:08:29	teraflops	read the docs at its github page
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2021-12-26 13:39:11	powerman2206	I put `export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA` in `~/.bash_profile`, but it's still jumbo (works when ran from the terminal, though)
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2021-12-26 15:10:49	ayekat	possibly ~/.bash_profile isn't sourced when your DE starts up
2021-12-26 15:10:52	Tom^	ayekat: hes gone.
2021-12-26 15:11:01	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2021-12-26 15:11:11	ayekat	hmm... my IRC client still auto-completes their name
2021-12-26 15:11:15	⚡ 	ayekat scratches his head
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2021-12-26 15:11:47	Tom^	mine doesnt :o
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2022-01-05 09:42:32	grawity	aren't those the same thing
2022-01-05 09:44:52	sunyibo	yep, sorry, I made a mistake
2022-01-05 09:47:51	espresso	Franciman may have pointed to the ideal using xargs, though that script has worked so far (and can tab-complete filenames). web search should turn up more apps or scripts to sanitize, remove invalid characters..
2022-01-05 09:48:47	grawity	perl-rename 's/=//g' *
2022-01-05 09:57:35	sunyibo	that did the trick. Thanks a bunch!
2022-01-05 09:59:31	f1refly	in dmesg there's nothing suspicious as well, only that redshift-gtk gets a segfault in libgtk-3.so, but that shouldn't bring down the whole xorg-server, no?
2022-01-05 10:04:34	f1refly	I removed kdeconnect from my autostart to get a somewhat cleaner log, now it only reports http://ix.io/3L4K
2022-01-05 10:05:47	f1refly	the missing xcutsel and firefox is expected in my setup, the missing libjsoncpp shouldn't be too bad either
2022-01-05 10:07:19	f1refly	I'm not sure why autorandr fails to apply profile "normal", but in there i only instruct herbstclient to reload, so if that isn't executed it's not terrible either
2022-01-05 10:08:52	espresso	f1refly: maybe journalctl can point to something, a vid driver error..
2022-01-05 10:11:37	f1refly	nothing that looks like it's crashing on the video side in journalctl 
2022-01-05 10:12:06	f1refly	I've found a topic on the arch linux forums that suggests nvidia fucked up their driver again, but that should show up in the logs somewhere...
2022-01-05 10:21:30	Xogium	so, since the python 3.10 update, all my virtualenv broke because they symlink python on the host system… Leading to errors like no module named flask. Just how do I fix this ? :S
2022-01-05 10:21:42	jelle	  Xogium re-create the venvs
2022-01-05 10:21:55	Foxboron	or install the old python version and point the venvs towards it
2022-01-05 10:21:56	Xogium	I thought the whole point of virtual env was that your python install was separate from the system one
2022-01-05 10:22:12	Foxboron	Xogium: site-packages, yes. Not python
2022-01-05 10:22:13	Xogium	but maybe I misunderstood :p
2022-01-05 10:22:22	Xogium	ah
2022-01-05 10:22:36	Xogium	right, now I get it
2022-01-05 10:22:46	Foxboron	the python stuff needs to come from somewhere. And venvs does that work by symlink trickery
2022-01-05 10:23:38	Xogium	right
2022-01-05 10:23:57	Xogium	is there an easy command to get all packages that were installed in that venv quickly reinstalled ?
2022-01-05 10:24:08	Xogium	I don't remember all of them
2022-01-05 10:25:15	jelle	pip list
2022-01-05 10:27:16	f1refly	okay, removing nvidia entirely did the trick and I now have basic video 
2022-01-05 10:30:51	Xogium	jelle: thanks :)
2022-01-05 10:37:35	Xogium	nice, fixed it. I like it when things are that easy ;)
2022-01-05 10:38:51	dirtcastle	if i use pacman -Syu often, will it occupy my hdd space
2022-01-05 10:39:50	jelle	dirtcastle: old packages are kept in /var/cache/pacman so you can monitor if that becomes too much or look into paccache
2022-01-05 10:40:13	espresso	dirtcastle: ^ you can setup a pacman hook. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Cleaning_the_package_cache
2022-01-05 10:40:14	@phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-05 10:42:53	andi_	is a KVM a good idea for virtualisation on a server?
2022-01-05 10:43:03	jelle	yes
2022-01-05 10:43:35	andi_	okay nice
2022-01-05 10:45:51	f1refly	I got the xorg core dump on log: http://ix.io/3L4W
2022-01-05 10:46:36	f1refly	I still don't know what caused it though
2022-01-05 10:49:59	wyre	hi guys, I'm trying sphinx ... and I was reading its getting started https://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/master/tutorial/getting-started.html
2022-01-05 10:50:00	@phrik	Title: Getting started — Sphinx documentation (at www.sphinx-doc.org)
2022-01-05 10:50:17	wyre	but ... apparently isn't fetching automatically the modules
2022-01-05 10:50:32	wyre	I mean It's not using the docstrings in the modules to generate the module index
2022-01-05 10:50:40	wyre	where should I specify this to be done? 
2022-01-05 10:58:45	@Namarrgon	f1refly: check the bugtracker, the current nvidia blob seems a bit buggy
2022-01-05 10:59:18	f1refly	Namarrgon: I saw that, but I couldn't figure out to what version I should downgrade
2022-01-05 10:59:19	jelle	wyre: you should ask the shpinx guys
2022-01-05 10:59:36	jelle	wyre: I don't think it generates that from docstrings by default?
2022-01-05 11:00:08	wyre	jelle, where are the sphinx guys? 😆
2022-01-05 11:00:44	wyre	hmmm, maybe I need to include this extension for sphinx 🤔 https://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/master/usage/extensions/autodoc.html
2022-01-05 11:00:46	@phrik	Title: sphinx.ext.autodoc – Include documentation from docstrings — Sphinx documentation (at www.sphinx-doc.org)
2022-01-05 11:00:53	jelle	wyre: #python?
2022-01-05 11:01:07	wyre	jelle, sorry, ... I thought I was in #python
2022-01-05 11:01:10	wyre	my bad 😆
2022-01-05 11:01:18	wyre	but thank you jelle 😉
2022-01-05 11:04:34	@Namarrgon	f1refly: i don't know, start with n-1
2022-01-05 11:16:57	pulec	I guess these fonts are braile unicode fonts https://github.com/aristocratos/bpytop#prerequisites, anyone knows in which package should I look for them?
2022-01-05 11:17:26	pulec	ttf-*braille
2022-01-05 11:55:37	dexterlb	hello.. I want to run a script *before* suspending: e.g. when I do `systemctl suspend`, I want systemd to execute `/foo/bar/baz.sh` *and wait for it to finish*, and then suspend. I've tried things like`Before=suspend.target` and `Before=sleep.target`, but each time the script starts executing and the system suspends during execution, not after
2022-01-05 11:56:34	@Namarrgon	'man systemd-suspend.service'
2022-01-05 11:59:02	dexterlb	thanks! that's exactly what I needed
2022-01-05 12:00:46	mkoskar	dexterlb: also making it Type=oneshot would work
2022-01-05 12:01:19	mkoskar	*should, I think
2022-01-05 12:15:25	dirtcastle	how to find the required graphics driver. 
2022-01-05 12:16:10	@Namarrgon	for which device?
2022-01-05 12:16:41	dirtcastle	for intel
2022-01-05 12:17:05	@Namarrgon	you shouldn't need to explicitly install one for an intel gpu
2022-01-05 12:18:04	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-01-05 12:18:08	dirtcastle	nvidia. 
2022-01-05 12:18:13	dirtcastle	i enabled 3d acceleration. 
2022-01-05 12:18:26	dirtcastle	xmonad isn't working on fresh installation
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2022-01-05 12:18:43	@Namarrgon	so this is an optimus laptop?
2022-01-05 12:19:12	dirtcastle	no. i use nvidea gpu. my bad
2022-01-05 12:19:18	@Namarrgon	which one?
2022-01-05 12:19:21	dirtcastle	msi. have u heard of it
2022-01-05 12:19:29	dirtcastle	?
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2022-01-05 12:19:36	@Namarrgon	which nvidia model is it?
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2022-01-05 12:20:37	dirtcastle	Geforce RTX 
2022-01-05 12:20:46	dirtcastle	I use virtualbo
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2022-01-05 12:20:47	dirtcastle	x
2022-01-05 12:20:55	@Namarrgon	so this is all in a vm?
2022-01-05 12:20:59	dirtcastle	yup
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2022-01-05 12:21:05	@Namarrgon	remove the nvidia drives and userland tools again
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2022-01-05 12:21:08	@Namarrgon	*drivers
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2022-01-05 12:21:37	@Namarrgon	the real gpu isn't accessible in the vm
2022-01-05 12:21:46	dirtcastle	yeahhh! 
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2022-01-05 12:22:08	@Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VirtualBox/Install_Arch_Linux_as_a_guest
2022-01-05 12:22:10	@phrik	Title: VirtualBox/Install Arch Linux as a guest - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-01-05 12:26:35	f1refly	so i downgraded the nvidia package but now it won't even load the kernel module any more
2022-01-05 12:27:11	@Namarrgon	you have to use the nvidia-dkms version of the driver
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2022-01-05 12:27:26	@Namarrgon	the non-dkms version is built against a specific version of the kernel
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2022-01-05 12:29:16	f1refly	I know, I did that
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2022-01-05 12:29:34	@Namarrgon	which packages did you downgrade?
2022-01-05 12:30:11	f1refly	nvidia and nvidia-settings, which was required to be downgraded due to the nvidia version
2022-01-05 12:30:33	@Namarrgon	all nvidia packages must have the same version, you can't mix and match
2022-01-05 12:30:59	@Namarrgon	and you need 'nvidia-dkms', not 'nvidia'
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2022-01-05 12:31:18	f1refly	yes, I installed nvidia-dkms
2022-01-05 12:31:26	f1refly	-installed +downgraded to
2022-01-05 12:31:34	f1refly	I'll replace nvidia-utils as well now
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2022-01-05 12:35:43	f1refly	I'm getting an exciting new error: failed to enable I/O ports 000-03ff (Operation not permitted)
2022-01-05 12:35:45	f1refly	hmm
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2022-01-05 12:38:22	ℹ 	tofran2 es conocido ahora como tofran
2022-01-05 12:38:26	f1refly	rebooting fixed that error
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2022-01-05 12:38:41	f1refly	hopefully new nvidia releases will be fixed
2022-01-05 12:39:03	f1refly	i should really get rid of this video card, it's causing way too many headaches
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2022-01-05 12:39:22	teraflops	which card is it?
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2022-01-05 12:43:25	f1refly	gtx 980
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2022-01-05 12:43:57	f1refly	I only got it because a colleague was selling it for cheap and nvidia broke my system six times so far i think
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2022-01-05 12:44:25	teraflops	7yo card
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2022-01-05 12:46:53	Gagis	huh, 980 should work with latest drivers
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2022-01-05 12:47:59	teraflops	I thought it might be related to lack of support, nvm
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2022-01-05 12:48:35	Gagis	I have a 970 and havent had to downgrade. IIRC current cutoff is at 500 or 600 series
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2022-01-05 12:50:07	teraflops	I switched to dkms long ago and never had a single issue related to drivers using latest packages from arch repos
2022-01-05 12:51:13	@Namarrgon	it's still supported but bugged
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2022-01-05 12:51:40	f1refly	maybe i should switch to the dkms package as well
2022-01-05 12:52:07	@Namarrgon	you said twice that you already switched to the dkms package
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2022-01-05 12:56:23	ℹ 	smp_ es conocido ahora como smp
2022-01-05 12:56:42	bladerunner567	Is a 26 Sep 2021 ISO too old to install arch? 
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2022-01-05 12:57:34	@Namarrgon	depending on what you install you might have to update the archlinux-keyring package first
2022-01-05 12:58:05	@Namarrgon	otherwise i don't remember any breakage with the recent isos (except the january one)
2022-01-05 12:58:10	bladerunner567	Well the pacstrap command is failing 
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2022-01-05 12:58:24	@Namarrgon	did you update the archlinux-keyring package first?
2022-01-05 12:58:33	bladerunner567	No clue how to do that
2022-01-05 12:58:41	@Namarrgon	pacman -S archlinux-keyring
2022-01-05 12:58:47	bladerunner567	Oh ok
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2022-01-05 12:59:39	f1refly	Namarrgon: yes, but only for downgrading right now
2022-01-05 12:59:46	f1refly	usually I only had nvidia
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2022-01-05 13:00:22	@Namarrgon	f1refly: it's not going to fix the bugs you're suffering from
2022-01-05 13:00:28	@Namarrgon	if that's what you were thinking
2022-01-05 13:00:29	f1refly	I switched to nvidia-dkms when downgrading, but I was planning to switch back to the nvidia package should it work again at some point
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2022-01-05 13:13:45	ℹ 	Rue es conocido ahora como voicemeplz
2022-01-05 13:13:48	ℹ 	voicemeplz es conocido ahora como Rue
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2022-01-05 13:17:54	grawity	ugh, turns out bsdtar tries to open() all device nodes that it finds
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2022-01-05 13:18:24	jelle	:D
2022-01-05 13:18:25	grawity	and this old rootfs I tried to archive has like 18k of them
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2022-01-05 13:19:47	bladerunner567	Namarrgon Updating the keyring fixed it. Thanks for helping my dumb mind :) 
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2022-01-05 13:20:30	Franciman	bladerunner567: hopefully one gets to learn the gpg magic with time
2022-01-05 13:20:32	Franciman	i am still learning xd
2022-01-05 13:21:07	bladerunner567	What is gpg...?
2022-01-05 13:21:19	Franciman	sorry i meant key management
2022-01-05 13:21:23	Franciman	keyring
2022-01-05 13:21:26	Franciman	et all
2022-01-05 13:21:39	teraflops	pgp gpg not helping with my dyslexia
2022-01-05 13:22:10	bladerunner567	Ohh 
2022-01-05 13:22:59	teraflops	bladerunner567: pacman uses a separated keyring from users one
2022-01-05 13:23:43	bladerunner567	Maybe this is a dumb question, but what is a keyring? 
2022-01-05 13:25:32	teraflops	where keys are stored
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2022-01-05 13:26:35	bladerunner567	I see. I'll probably need to learn more on arch soon ^^; 
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2022-01-06 09:22:23	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-06 09:22:23	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-06 18:48:24	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-06 17:16:30	newba	so rm /mnt/etc/resolv.conf?
2022-01-06 17:16:45	Namarrgon	/mnt?
2022-01-06 17:17:12	newba	sorry xD
2022-01-06 17:17:22	newba	rm /etc/resolv.conf?
2022-01-06 17:17:28	Namarrgon	yup
2022-01-06 17:17:51	newba	hmm
2022-01-06 17:18:49	newba	so the symlink creates a file on /etc/resolv.conf and this new file that redirects to /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf. And to remove the "link" i just have to remove the file that is redirecting?
2022-01-06 17:19:46	Namarrgon	basically, yes
2022-01-06 17:20:51	newba	ohh got it, thanks
2022-01-06 17:20:52	newba	i don't want to keep bothering you but what more should i know before using yay?
2022-01-06 17:21:22	Namarrgon	did you break your system with an unofficial package yet?
2022-01-06 17:22:53	newba	nope, i don't even like to use AUR
2022-01-06 17:22:54	newba	but that's the package cited on archwiki for zfs-dkms
2022-01-06 17:22:54	newba	usually just use aur for color-folder plugin and flatpak for retroarch
2022-01-06 17:24:33	Namarrgon	then it's too soon
2022-01-06 17:24:37	newba	xD
2022-01-06 17:24:40	newba	got it
2022-01-06 17:25:03	newba	thanks guys, thank you very much Namarrgon
2022-01-06 17:31:22	ppk	I've been trying to adjust my monitor's color balance for a while since it's red as hell - I can set the color gamma of red to something lower with xrandr but that leaves whites still reddish, is there a simpler way to adjust color balance globally?
2022-01-06 17:32:16	mpan	ppk: doesn’t your display have controls to adjust that? If gamma correction in the video card is not helping, it may be that monitor’s own settings are in the way.
2022-01-06 17:32:36	ppk	it's a laptop
2022-01-06 17:32:41	mpan	In particular it should have color temperature settings .a….
2022-01-06 17:32:48	mpan	… and ignore that last seentence. :D
2022-01-06 17:33:06	ppk	gamma is applied to midtones, absolute black and absolute white are unaffected
2022-01-06 17:33:23	ppk	since it's a power operation
2022-01-06 17:33:39	mpan	Yes, because it’s a color temperature thing. Hence I was wondering about display’s settings. But if it’s laptop, it will not work.
2022-01-06 17:33:58	ppk	good old Dell QC
2022-01-06 17:35:55	MrElendig	ppk: icc profile
2022-01-06 17:36:17	MrElendig	ymmv depending on wm/de
2022-01-06 17:36:53	ppk	it's an au opt 
2022-01-06 17:36:54	Namarrgon	with X you can do it independently of the wm/de but with wayland it will depend on the de/wm
2022-01-06 17:36:55	ppk	B156HAN04.2
2022-01-06 17:37:23	ppk	but I haven't found an ICC profile for it. I'm on Xorg (bspwm)
2022-01-06 17:37:24	Namarrgon	which laptop is it? the manufacturers rarely provide profiles for them
2022-01-06 17:37:39	ppk	Dell G5 SE, 120hz model
2022-01-06 17:40:45	Namarrgon	unsurprisingly dell doesn't offer profiles for a gaing notebook like that one
2022-01-06 17:40:53	Namarrgon	*gaming
2022-01-06 17:41:14	quantum_	Say, I'm booted to /dev/vda.  But I want to boot to /dev/vdb from CLI.  I could have sworn that there's a 'boot' command but can't find one.
2022-01-06 17:42:35	MrElendig	with uefi you can set the next boot efi var
2022-01-06 17:43:50	MrElendig	assuming you have different entries, otherwise poke your bootloader config
2022-01-06 17:43:59	MrElendig	and whatever next boot feature your bootloader have
2022-01-06 17:46:55	quantum_	MrElendig: Not following:  "with uefi you can set the next boot efi var"
2022-01-06 17:49:59	MrElendig	BootNext should in teory do what it says on the tinm
2022-01-06 17:50:01	MrElendig	tin*
2022-01-06 17:50:41	Namarrgon	is this a vm?
2022-01-06 17:50:58	MrElendig	and do you control the host?
2022-01-06 17:51:07	quantum_	I do.
2022-01-06 17:52:39	quantum_	 I'm hiding alot of complexity here.  This is actually in a remote OpenStack instance, where I've dd'ed to a volume the Arch .iso.  I want to install Arch into the existing CentOS instance.
2022-01-06 17:53:17	quantum_	The instance is on a cloud hoster.
2022-01-06 17:55:16	fundies	#c++
2022-01-06 17:55:20	fundies	oops
2022-01-06 17:55:27	NoImNotNineVolt	booo
2022-01-06 17:55:34	NoImNotNineVolt	oop is for the weak and infirm
2022-01-06 17:55:39	MrElendig	so quite the xyproblem
2022-01-06 17:56:11	quantum_	But the idea is I just need to boot to another disk from CLI.
2022-01-06 17:56:27	MrElendig	don't they offer some recovery image?
2022-01-06 17:58:14	quantum_	Oh the instance boots CentOS fine.  And they have lots of canned images I could use, but no Arch.
2022-01-06 17:58:52	MrElendig	quantum_: boot recovery image, grab bootstrap image, done
2022-01-06 17:59:21	quantum_	Don't got no boot command.  Only bootctl.
2022-01-06 17:59:38	MrElendig	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_from_existing_Linux#Method_A:_Using_the_bootstrap_image_(recommended)
2022-01-06 17:59:39	@phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux from existing Linux - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-06 18:00:02	quantum_	O
2022-01-06 18:00:28	MrElendig	if you have enough free space you can do it from the centos install and then reclaim the space used by centos afterwards
2022-01-06 18:07:26	semiote	NoImNotNineVolt: oop was born of man's hubris, ye verily doth  it bringeth it's servants unto the very fires of programming hell
2022-01-06 18:08:57	kefko	@archlinuxarm: were will i found more info about archlinuxarm and distcc? Like i got the idea i have to build an individual installation per crosscompiling it into the architecture with distcc
2022-01-06 18:11:36	kefko	@archlinuxarm: or - is like that to know about this knowledge yet, i a attidude to get commercial information because of android? 
2022-01-06 18:11:55	jonathon	kefko: the #archlinuxarm channel or the archlinuxarm.org wiki (https://archlinuxarm.org/wiki/Distcc_Cross-Compiling)
2022-01-06 18:12:17	jonathon	also, there is no user here called "archlinuxarm", and using a Discord-style @ doesn't work either
2022-01-06 18:12:44	kefko	 @jonathon: this guide is still now... but i am searching more pages
2022-01-06 18:13:13	kefko	@jonathon: but i will switch to the archlinuxarm channel
2022-01-06 18:14:09	jonathon	if you are cross-compiling on Arch then you'll likely find https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/armutils-git/ useful
2022-01-06 18:14:10	@phrik	Title: AUR (en) - armutils-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-01-06 18:44:54	bloodfart69	Learning how to setup ZFS RAIDZ1 installation. I am using devices that are not the same size, and I believe it is still defaulting to my smallest device size. Did the setup last night and can't remember. I want to group all my devices and use the biggest device size. How would I do that exactly?
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2022-01-06 18:54:43	Khorne	By using devices of the same size
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2022-01-06 18:57:29	Khorne	nvm then
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2022-01-06 19:02:58	semiote	bloodfart69: throw your smaller devices in a woodchipper and buy replacements that are the same size as your biggest.
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2022-01-06 19:05:44	Furai	Hmm, does anyone here use visual studio code insiders? If so how do you guys keep it updated?
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2022-01-06 19:07:54	MrElendig	Furai: depends on how you installed it
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2022-01-06 19:07:54	MrElendig	if you dumped it in home then you can use the self updater
2022-01-06 19:07:54	MrElendig	else the same as any other aur package
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2022-01-06 19:08:41	Furai	Not sure what you mean about dumping it in home, I'm still kind of confused with archlinux. 
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2022-01-06 19:08:44	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-06 19:09:52	MrElendig	downloading it straight from microsoft.com and running it from somewhere in your home dir
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2022-01-06 19:10:32	Furai	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/visual-studio-code-insiders-bin/ if i used this thing I guess I'll need to edit the pkg version at the very top to get newer insiders version?
2022-01-06 19:10:34	@phrik	Title: AUR (en) - visual-studio-code-insiders-bin (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-01-06 19:11:27	MrElendig	or just update it as it gets updated in aur
2022-01-06 19:11:45	Furai	Still I don't quite follow, is there any version I can just download from them? Bear in mind that I was ubuntu user up till 1 week ago so I was only ever using debs.
2022-01-06 19:11:56	Furai	And sometimes compiling from source.
2022-01-06 19:12:17	MrElendig	its the same on ubuntu
2022-01-06 19:12:25	Furai	Yeah, the thing with that package is that it seems it's not updated frequently.
2022-01-06 19:12:37	Furai	AUR*
2022-01-06 19:13:08	MrElendig	"This package always installs the latest insiders build so don't flag it as out-of-date, just rebuild and you'll get the latest version."
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2022-01-06 19:13:20	Furai	yeah, just figured as much
2022-01-06 19:13:40	Furai	So the only issue here is that it will never be flagged as there's any update available.
2022-01-06 19:13:53	Furai	So I can just probably run it whenever insiders complains there's update.
2022-01-06 19:13:55	Furai	Anyway, thx.
2022-01-06 19:14:11	Furai	So much stuff to learn about arch.
2022-01-06 19:14:15	Furai	But I'm loving it so far.
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2022-01-06 19:14:50	Furai	I've been using ubuntu with tons of PPAs to get latest and greatest software. Finally decided and found time to switch to some rolling release distro.
2022-01-06 19:14:58	Furai	I'm sure I'll get bitten in the ass couple of times.
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2022-01-06 19:15:35	teraflops	Furai: you can use an aur helper to see if there's any update
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2022-01-06 19:17:16	MrElendig	you can always check upstream for new releases and use that to trigger a rebuild
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2022-01-06 19:18:12	MrElendig	or just rebuild every day :p
2022-01-06 19:18:52	MrElendig	since supposedly the do a new build every day
2022-01-06 19:19:22	ppk	Went on a bit of an AUR journey, redshift lets me set a colour temp which fixes the yellow hue but I haven't found anything that just lets me adjust color curves, which would be much easier to use... I know novideo driver has it but haven't found an equivalent for amd.
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2022-01-06 19:21:15	Furai	I'm using yay already.
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2022-01-06 19:22:47	Furai	But yay won't detect if there's update to that AUR since aur itself isn't changing.
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2022-01-06 19:25:27	MrElendig	it has a --rebuild flag to force rebuilds
2022-01-06 19:25:42	MrElendig	and since apparently the insider build is updated once a day...
2022-01-06 19:26:08	BrainDamage	do you just want to know if there's an update or what?
2022-01-06 19:26:29	Khorne	You can tell yay to explicitly rebuild
2022-01-06 19:26:45	Khorne	Even if the pkgver in the PKGBUILD didn't change
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2022-01-06 19:31:56	fltrz	hmm I am getting 2 invalid signatures on the pandoc package
2022-01-06 19:32:23	MrElendig	long time since the last update?
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2022-01-06 19:32:35	fltrz	not really perhaps a day or 2
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2022-01-06 19:49:11	ouestbillie	hey reading up on configuring networking for my desktop, i use nowdns for dynamics dns setting, should I set my machine 's honstname to the same one as the dyndns entry?
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2022-01-06 19:49:35	BrainDamage	no
2022-01-06 19:49:41	ouestbillie	what I thought thanks
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2022-01-11 10:09:21	luigibu	hi, i got some conflicts updating today.. https://ibb.co/qkpcc7r
2022-01-11 10:09:23	phrik	Title: Screenshot-20220111-100629 — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2022-01-11 10:09:43	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-11 10:10:47	NetSysFire	oh nice, an image of text
2022-01-11 10:10:52	NetSysFire	try pacman -Syu instead
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2022-01-11 10:11:10	luigibu	thanks
2022-01-11 10:12:02	luigibu	well.. seams the same error
2022-01-11 10:12:05	Foxboron	luigibu: What frontend is that?
2022-01-11 10:12:10	Foxboron	luigibu: which distro is this?
2022-01-11 10:12:23	luigibu	arch
2022-01-11 10:12:26	luigibu	with kde
2022-01-11 10:12:51	Foxboron	are you just getting a straight error? No question if you want to replace hwids with hwdata?
2022-01-11 10:12:54	wyre	luigibu, can you paste the whole output of pacman -Syu ? 
2022-01-11 10:12:58	mpan	luigibu: please post the complete, exact output of the `pacman -Syu` you invoked. 
2022-01-11 10:13:03	Foxboron	Indeed
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2022-01-11 10:13:56	luigibu	http://dpaste.org/bv4E
2022-01-11 10:14:01	phrik	Title: dpaste/bv4E (Python) (at dpaste.org)
2022-01-11 10:14:09	Foxboron	luigibu: LANG=C please
2022-01-11 10:14:12	luigibu	sorry.. for some reason part is in spanish.. need to fix it
2022-01-11 10:14:14	mpan	`sudo LANG=C pacman -Syu` :D
2022-01-11 10:14:26	luigibu	lets see
2022-01-11 10:14:35	mpan	Also, clearly here the error is different than one in that GUI.
2022-01-11 10:14:46	wyre	luigibu, corectrl depends on hwdata 
2022-01-11 10:14:56	Lartza	*hwids
2022-01-11 10:15:01	wyre	sorry, hwids
2022-01-11 10:15:06	wyre	sure
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2022-01-11 10:15:25	luigibu	http://dpaste.org/rO8Q
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2022-01-11 10:15:29	phrik	Title: dpaste/rO8Q (Python) (at dpaste.org)
2022-01-11 10:15:31	wyre	luigibu, so you will have to remove both at the same time
2022-01-11 10:15:38	Foxboron	luigibu: clearly not the same error.
2022-01-11 10:15:43	wyre	in the case you want to replace hwids with hwdata
2022-01-11 10:15:54	mpan	luigibu: where did you get corectrl from?
2022-01-11 10:16:01	Foxboron	mpan: it's an AUR package
2022-01-11 10:16:01	rcf	AUR 
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2022-01-11 10:16:24	mpan	Thanks Foxboron and rcf for stating the obvious. :>
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2022-01-11 10:16:40	Foxboron	mpan: right, you wanted them to say it :p
2022-01-11 10:16:42	mpan	Some questions are rhetorical.
2022-01-11 10:16:55	Foxboron	mpan: Then expect someone to not get that 10:00 in the morning :)
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2022-01-11 10:17:01	luigibu	hahaha.. i still dont knwo how to fix this jejeje
2022-01-11 10:17:09	mpan	luigibu: if you build your own packages, you are supposed to rebuild them if the dependencies are changed and a rebuild is needed.
2022-01-11 10:17:57	◣	shestifled (~shestifle@5.149.255.13) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-01-11 10:18:03	wyre	luigibu, I've told you 
2022-01-11 10:18:12	mpan	luigibu: in this case the package you yourself maintain — corectrl — requires a rebuild. Though, if you use the PKGBUILD available in AUR, it will not work, as it still depends on hwids. So for now uninstall it and wait for a new PKGBUILD.
2022-01-11 10:18:18	Ghosthree3	i know btrfs can use a partitionless disk, but is there any reasson NOT to partition it anyway or any reason to do so?
2022-01-11 10:18:19	luigibu	yes.. im just not that good yet with linux
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2022-01-11 10:18:28	wyre	luigibu, you will have to uninstall corectrl first in order to be able to replace hwids with hwdata
2022-01-11 10:19:16	wyre	but another thing is if corectrl will work with hwdata 😆 because apparently it depends just on hwids
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2022-01-11 10:19:40	wyre	but sure, I don't know about this corectrl ... but if it's in AUR ... it's not needed 😆
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2022-01-11 10:19:59	Tangent-Man	I have changed the font with setfont - now when I type ping arch.org I just get a load of question marks in white boxes? Any ideas.. first boot BTW
2022-01-11 10:20:17	luigibu	i see.. i instaled corectrl.. i can just uninstall it.. i dont really use it
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2022-01-11 10:21:07	luigibu	thanks guys! 
2022-01-11 10:21:09	rcf	Ghosthree3: partitionless makes most sense if it's part of an array. 
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2022-01-11 10:21:20	Ghosthree3	rcf: to or to not
2022-01-11 10:21:43	luigibu	and as you soy.. my terminal is mixing english and spanish.. how can restore english? thanks
2022-01-11 10:21:50	luigibu	*sow
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2022-01-11 10:22:14	rcf	Ghosthree3: that would be a reason not to partition it. 
2022-01-11 10:22:35	rcf	Partitioning is of course required if any other filesystems will be on the drive. 
2022-01-11 10:22:36	Ghosthree3	oh i misread the word, thought you wrote pointless
2022-01-11 10:23:02	Ghosthree3	this is just a one off data disk
2022-01-11 10:23:11	mpan	Foxboron: you are being forgiven.
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2022-01-11 10:23:28	Foxboron	mpan: :O
2022-01-11 10:23:54	mpan	luigibu: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Locale#Setting_the_locale
2022-01-11 10:23:55	phrik	Title: Locale - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-01-11 10:24:33	jelle	rcf: Ghosthree3 partitionless gives huge issues with grub :)
2022-01-11 10:24:39	lucenera	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/JACK_Audio_Connection_Kit#A_GUI-based_example_setup
2022-01-11 10:24:40	phrik	Title: JACK Audio Connection Kit - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-11 10:24:53	rcf	rip
2022-01-11 10:24:55	Ghosthree3	people still use grub in 2022 🤔?
2022-01-11 10:25:06	Tangent-Man	Also nano is showing the same question mark in white squares at the bottonm when I use it... ? 
2022-01-11 10:25:09	rcf	jelle: ...except wait that's not what happened to me 
2022-01-11 10:25:16	kib	all of a sudden i stopped getting all sound output. I am using pipewire and issue persists in both sway and i3. here is output of 'systemctl --user status pipewire' - https://0x0.st/oi6R.txt
2022-01-11 10:25:18	Ghosthree3	jelle: wouldnt be relevant anyway since its not the system disk?
2022-01-11 10:25:21	jelle	rcf: as you do partitionless and do zstd compression and then grub can't fit anymore on BIOS
2022-01-11 10:25:26	lucenera	Followed this piece of guidance. When starting Gnome the JACK server does not start automatically and Qjackctl shows an error.
2022-01-11 10:25:30	Tangent-Man	I use grub because I have a legacy BIOS and I want to use GPT
2022-01-11 10:25:33	jelle	Ghosthree3: if it's not it's fine
2022-01-11 10:25:35	kib	how do i troubleshoot?
2022-01-11 10:25:38	rcf	jelle: oh, well what kind of loser uses BIOS anyway 
2022-01-11 10:25:46	jelle	rcf: someone who uses vps'es
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2022-01-11 10:26:06	Ghosthree3	:( vps that dont support efi man
2022-01-11 10:26:30	kib	restarting pipewire has no effect whatsoever
2022-01-11 10:26:53	Ghosthree3	kib: suddenly as in "today after i booted" or "i was listening to something and now its dead"
2022-01-11 10:27:20	kib	it worked perfectly fine until today morning, then i stepped out of the house petted some cats, potted up a plant and it's not working anymroe
2022-01-11 10:27:45	kib	no reboots or updates in between. Then i updated my whole system and rebooted to no avail
2022-01-11 10:28:12	kib	so i quit sway, exited from the tty, logged back in and did startx to open i3. Same issue here too
2022-01-11 10:28:21	Ghosthree3	kib: well if the software didnt change AND a reboot didnt fix it, based on the error the hardware could be the problem? device is busy?
2022-01-11 10:28:27	Foxboron	kib: pipewire-media-session or wireplumber?
2022-01-11 10:28:44	kib	Foxboron what do you mean?
2022-01-11 10:28:57	Foxboron	kib: you need something to manage session. You have one of those two things to do it
2022-01-11 10:29:03	Foxboron	the session*
2022-01-11 10:29:05	kib	ok how do i check?
2022-01-11 10:29:10	Foxboron	Which service do you have?
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2022-01-11 10:29:31	kib	weirdly, i am getting the sound of libera's notifs but mpv and youtube on firefox fail to play any sound
2022-01-11 10:29:48	Ghosthree3	oh so pipewire-pulse is working but native pipewire broke?
2022-01-11 10:29:55	Ghosthree3	since mpv and firefox support native pw afaik
2022-01-11 10:30:02	kib	idk 😬
2022-01-11 10:30:25	Ghosthree3	nvm pipewire for mpv isnt merged yet
2022-01-11 10:30:25	kib	Foxboron i don't know, i just installed pipewire a year back and i have not messed with anything and this is the first time something stopped working
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2022-01-11 10:30:53	kib	https://0x0.st/oiIs.txt
2022-01-11 10:30:53	kib	pactl info
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2022-01-11 10:31:13	kib	and to check pipewire, i just do systemctl --user status pipewire nothing else
2022-01-11 10:31:27	Ghosthree3	status pipewire-pulse is fine?
2022-01-11 10:31:36	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-01-11 10:31:39	kib	yes
2022-01-11 10:31:51	kib	only pipewire has the bunch of errors in red
2022-01-11 10:32:08	kib	and i can't understand any of them apart from hw busy whose meaning i don't understand
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2022-01-12 21:50:48	gedulis120	Hello, i hope i can get some help here, writing from live instalation media TTY. My arch won't boot after update, i'vve chrooted and noticed that uname -a and pacman -Q linux shows different kernel versions might this be a problem?
2022-01-12 21:51:45	grawity	not necessarily
2022-01-12 21:52:02	grawity	as uname shows you the version of the livecd kernel
2022-01-12 21:52:19	grawity	it would be a problem if they differed in your running Arch install
2022-01-12 21:52:36	grawity	but in a chroot from a livecd, normal
2022-01-12 21:54:10	th0rne	Khorne❱ https://p.haavard.me/1G
2022-01-12 21:54:35	gedulis120	hmm, any idea on what might be the issue for not booting? It says Warning /lib/modules/5.15.14-1-lts/modules.devname not found -ignoring
2022-01-12 21:54:46	th0rne	So for anyone else interested, the problem is that if I boot, I get some amdgpu errors and then just a black screen.
2022-01-12 21:54:54	th0rne	The machine works fine over ssh, though.
2022-01-12 21:58:51	th0rne	Initially I didn't see anything, and I was kind of freaking out, but then I figured to try to chroot and remove amdgpu from modules, and now it actually works until it asks to login, then it goes black.
2022-01-12 21:59:00	Namarrgon	th0rne: does the regular 'linux' kernel boot?
2022-01-12 21:59:26	th0rne	I tried regular, fallback, lts, lts-fallback, nothing works.
2022-01-12 21:59:50	Namarrgon	you usually used the lts kernel?
2022-01-12 21:59:53	th0rne	No.
2022-01-12 22:00:04	th0rne	Normally I use stock.
2022-01-12 22:00:24	Namarrgon	if you now donwgrade to last 5.15 non-lts kernel from the archive/cache, does it boot?
2022-01-12 22:00:37	th0rne	Let me try.
2022-01-12 22:01:31	th0rne	I have this, is it ok? linux-5.15.13.arch1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
2022-01-12 22:01:44	Hello72	Hello_World: the wiki guide is not very good. here is my config: https://bpa.st/7H2A
2022-01-12 22:01:45	phrik	Title: View paste 7H2A (at bpa.st)
2022-01-12 22:01:48	Namarrgon	th0rne: yeah
2022-01-12 22:02:30	Namarrgon	don't forget to downgrade any out-of-tree modules, or the headers if you use dkms
2022-01-12 22:04:22	gedulis120	I have the error screen here: https://imgur.com/a/afDOqNY
2022-01-12 22:04:24	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2022-01-12 22:04:44	th0rne	Ok, well, I didn't do that, but I tried and it didn't work. So I need to pacman -U that linux and the same version headers?
2022-01-12 22:05:05	Namarrgon	what did you try?
2022-01-12 22:05:18	th0rne	pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/linux-5.15.13.arch1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
2022-01-12 22:05:43	Namarrgon	and you still got the amdgpu errors?
2022-01-12 22:06:06	th0rne	I can't see anything, so I assume so. Let me check.
2022-01-12 22:06:47	th0rne	Yeah, "Fatal error during GPU init".
2022-01-12 22:07:31	Namarrgon	do you still have the previous linux-firmware package in the cache?
2022-01-12 22:08:06	Namarrgon	gedulis120: what about the fallback image?
2022-01-12 22:08:20	th0rne	Namarrgon❱ I have three versions.
2022-01-12 22:08:33	gedulis120	Namarrgon: I haven't tried it yet
2022-01-12 22:08:43	Warepire	gedulis120: If you do lsmod, do you see ext4 anywhere in the response?
2022-01-12 22:08:47	Namarrgon	th0rne: 20211027.1d00989-1
2022-01-12 22:08:55	th0rne	I have that, yeah.
2022-01-12 22:09:03	th0rne	And one before that and one after that.
2022-01-12 22:09:06	tonitch	Hey, my pc is not waking up when I open it, I assume it tries to "hybernate"... the screen stay black with backlight (so I guess it is indeed wacking up) and I can't do anything
2022-01-12 22:09:55	gedulis120	Yeah termbin.com/100z
2022-01-12 22:10:59	th0rne	Namarrgon❱ You think I ought to install that as well?
2022-01-12 22:11:22	th0rne	I'll try..
2022-01-12 22:11:40	th0rne	*try.
2022-01-12 22:13:26	th0rne	Namarrgon❱ No, tragically, still no.
2022-01-12 22:13:51	Warepire	gedulis120: Huh... That error message usually means ext4 isn't loaded in the kernel.. Give the fallback image as suggested a go and see if that improves anything.
2022-01-12 22:14:17	gedulis120	Warepire: I'll try that, assume i try the fallback image and it works, how should i proceed to fix the default image?
2022-01-12 22:14:30	Hello_World	Thank you Hello72! Just wondering, where do you get the "cards…" part from? Although trying it with "hw:…" doesn't seem to fix it, but make it worse: currently the microphone has problems with "Device or resource busy", however yours has both playback and capture return that
2022-01-12 22:14:52	Hello72	aplay -l
2022-01-12 22:14:55	Warepire	Good question, I've never seen a scenario where mount errors like that and a missing ext4 module is not the problem. Hopefully someone else knows.
2022-01-12 22:15:39	gedulis120	OK i'll try the fallback image, thanks for advice
2022-01-12 22:16:13	Hello_World	My current config would be https://a.uguu.se/8zOi5d5Rp64X_example.txt 
2022-01-12 22:16:24	th0rne	Was there another amd driver? amdgpupro or something?
2022-01-12 22:16:32	th0rne	Maybe I could try that and see if that works?
2022-01-12 22:16:48	Hello72	Hello_World: yes, you have no dsnoop so only one program can use the microphone at a time
2022-01-12 22:17:13	Hello72	also you don't have @hint but that doesn't really matter
2022-01-12 22:20:40	CubeTheThird	Is FUTEX_WAIT_MULTIPLE support enabled by default in kernel 5.16?
2022-01-12 22:20:47	gedulis120	I've managed to boot successuflly into vmlinuz-linux image
2022-01-12 22:21:07	gedulis120	although i don't get the difference between this and initramfs-linux.img
2022-01-12 22:22:41	Hello72	CubeTheThird: -zen
2022-01-12 22:23:28	th0rne	Namarrgon❱ The thing is, I can see things normally all the way up until the password prompt for arch, which shows for about a second before the screen goes black.
2022-01-12 22:24:34	th0rne	Is there a way to not initialize the gpu, if that makes sense?
2022-01-12 22:25:13	th0rne	Or like, I can see things at first, is there a way to not do whatever makes the screen turn black?
2022-01-12 22:29:21	Hello_World	Hello72: Thank you! That seemed to do the trick, although once program that worked before doesn't now… guess I'll restart and see if that fixes things
2022-01-12 22:40:11	Namarrgon	th0rne: how many displays are connected to the gpu?
2022-01-12 22:44:25	th0rne	Namarrgon❱ One.
2022-01-12 22:45:21	Hello_World	Turns out the issue was me copying from an older config… it works fine with a proper config now, thank you very much Hello!
2022-01-12 22:45:36	th0rne	It's really consistent in the behavior, too, it works all the way up until it asks for the password (I have it to only ask for password, not for username), and it lasts in that screen for approximately one second, then it goes black.
2022-01-12 22:46:48	th0rne	After that, changing tty or anything else doesn't help. Even the monitor refuses to stay on, "no signal".
2022-01-12 22:47:11	Hello_World	Oh, not sure if it's because I use an application with "apulse"… but for some reason there seems to be a ~.5s delay between me talking and the program getting the sound
2022-01-12 22:47:53	rcf	Hello_World: try an application that doesn't use apulse
2022-01-12 22:47:59	rcf	Also see if apulse has a configurable buffer size 
2022-01-12 22:48:28	rcf	That is an absurd latency, but for something like basic video playback it'd be easily compensated and unlikely to ever stutter. 
2022-01-12 22:48:47	th0rne	I tried to install the git version of amdgpu from aur, but that also didn't help.
2022-01-12 22:49:53	rcf	Oh, amdgpu
2022-01-12 22:50:03	⚡ 	rcf glares at AMD.
2022-01-12 22:50:18	th0rne	I mean it's worked fine up until now.
2022-01-12 22:50:20	rcf	Fortunately for me this only happens when testing multiple sessions 
2022-01-12 22:50:25	rcf	And a reboot fixes it. 
2022-01-12 22:50:35	th0rne	Tbf, I didn't reboot for three weeks, but still.
2022-01-12 22:50:38	rcf	Irritating nonetheless. 
2022-01-12 22:51:12	NetSysFire	th0rne: i just rebooted after 6 weeks
2022-01-12 22:51:16	th0rne	:)
2022-01-12 22:51:17	Hello_World	rcf: Hm seems to work fine with "arecord". However I had no such delay with apulse before changing the mic to be from USB
2022-01-12 22:51:24	Hello_World	no clue why there suddenly is one
2022-01-12 22:51:37	th0rne	NetSysFire❱ Well, I'm happy for you for your system working!
2022-01-12 22:51:48	NetSysFire	yes i am glad, too. secureboot still works!
2022-01-12 22:51:54	th0rne	:D
2022-01-12 22:52:44	rcf	Hello_World: each device will have a different buffer size 
2022-01-12 22:52:56	th0rne	Is there at least some way to stay in framebuffer or whatever?
2022-01-12 22:53:01	th0rne	Now I can't use the machine at all.
2022-01-12 22:53:02	Hello_World	Oh sorry, went too much into aplay and forgot about the buffer size
2022-01-12 22:53:06	NetSysFire	i am mostly scared because its past 10 pm and a secureboot fail would mean my laptop beeps loudly and there is nothing i can do against this
2022-01-12 22:53:10	Hello_World	Lemme look it up, sorry!
2022-01-12 22:53:14	th0rne	NetSysFire❱ :D
2022-01-12 22:53:44	rcf	Hello_World: no that's fine, as long as you can show that it works fine in something else without an absurd delay you're one step closer to showing it's a problem with apulse. Maybe. 
2022-01-12 22:59:36	Hello_World	Hm couldn't find anything related to apulse's buffer size
2022-01-12 22:59:47	Hello_World	changing the buffer size of dsnoop also doesn't do anything
2022-01-12 23:08:53	th0rne	Anyway, my screen is still black, so any additional ideas are most welcome!
2022-01-12 23:12:34	th0rne	Ok, well, fuck my ass, I tried shutting down and leaving the machine off for a while instead of the immediately rebooting, and now it works. Maybe a coincidence, but I didn't change anything.
2022-01-12 23:12:38	th0rne	!shurg
2022-01-12 23:12:38	phrik	乁║ ˙ 益 ˙ ║ㄏ
2022-01-12 23:17:09	eled	th0rne: what if I fuck your face instead
2022-01-12 23:17:09	eled	.
2022-01-12 23:22:30	⚡ 	dmc slaps eled on the wrist
2022-01-12 23:22:32	dmc	down boy
2022-01-12 23:22:50	jonathon	does anyone here know how to debug profile-sync-daemon? on one system, firefox is complaining files are open but this only happens with kernel 5.16 (another system with 5.16 is fine, and this one is fine with 5.15)
2022-01-12 23:25:34	jonathon	looks similar to this, https://github.com/graysky2/profile-sync-daemon/issues/249 , though my data here on this machine is on ZFS... :/ hmm. other one is on btrfs. wonder if the zfs 5.16 compat patches were incomplete...
2022-01-12 23:29:43	DonRichie	Does someone know if a HDD has the same id (as in /dev/disk/by-id/...) regardless if I connect it via SATA or USB-To-Sata-Adapter ?
2022-01-12 23:31:02	another|	it does not since the id begins with the connection type
2022-01-12 23:31:09	NetSysFire	i cant seem to build libfprint-tod-git. i need that package for the proprietary driver of my fingerprint driver and i would like to stop partial upgrading but updating (and therefore building) aforementioned package yields: bfprint/tests/meson.build:281:4: ERROR: gnome.mkenums_simple got unknown keyword arguments "source_dir"
2022-01-12 23:31:13	gehidore	it will have the same disk/by-label and disk/by-uuid or partuuid
2022-01-12 23:31:21	NetSysFire	that looks like an upstream error, or is it not?
2022-01-12 23:32:02	⚡ 	gehidore prefers by-label or by-partuuid
2022-01-12 23:32:44	another|	depends on what I want to match. Usually I want to match a filesystem, so UUID it is
2022-01-12 23:33:24	DonRichie	@gehidore: Hmmm, I think my zfs is using the id of /dev/disk/by-id . Thats how it is displayed in zpool status. I need zfs to find the disk again when connecting it internally
2022-01-12 23:35:47	gehidore	DonRichie I've no idea aabout zfs
2022-01-12 23:35:58	gehidore	I suspect it's intelligent enough for you to be able to tell it a different identifier though
2022-01-12 23:38:20	jonathon	it will find the pool when you import, no matter how it's connected
2022-01-12 23:38:38	DonRichie	@jonathon: that sounds good
2022-01-12 23:38:52	jonathon	(assuming it's a single-disk pool - switching the connections on some multi-disk raid thingy might be different)
2022-01-12 23:41:19	th0rne	eled❱ :O
2022-01-12 23:41:34	th0rne	That came out wrong, but anyway.
2022-01-12 23:55:22	jensen	it's my 7th time manually chrooting after realizing the zfs-dkms module doesn't support the kernel when a new update appears. I don't want to have to look at release notes on every kernel update to see if it's supported. any suggestions?
2022-01-12 23:56:35	Foxboron	jensen: None? This is stuff you have to deal with when you use out-of-tree modules, especially ZFS which is always going to be behind
2022-01-12 23:57:12	Foxboron	One solution would be to ignore any linux kernel updates until you know if they work or not. This can be achieved with IgnorePkg, however do note it's a partial update and not really a great thing to do if you can't keep up
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2022-01-13 00:18:56	jonathon	zfs-dkms from the AUR supports 5.16 - what are you referring to it being behind?
2022-01-13 00:20:06	jonathon	grr, they left already -.-
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2022-01-13 00:22:01	jonathon	in fact, any package of zfs 2.1.2 supports kernel 5.16, so either of the aur or archzfs will be fine :/
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2022-01-13 00:25:12	Foxboron	I do wonder if someone is ever going to add zfs-dkms into the repos :p The legality is murky enough these days I reckon
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2022-01-13 00:25:25	Foxboron	Would just need a fairly strict kernel check to be on the safe side
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2022-01-13 00:26:21	jonathon	it's DKMS so IIRC it's fine as there's no binary included, but i might be misremembering some discussion from back when Ubuntu started including it directly in the kernel
2022-01-13 00:26:23	thrice	debian ships it, right?
2022-01-13 00:26:23	jensen	ok, i can use a wrapper to check kernel support: `curl -sS 'https://raw.githubusercontent.com/openzfs/zfs/master/META' | awk '$1 == "Linux-Maximum:" { print $2; exit; }'` and prompt user if he wants to update the rest of packages anyway
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2022-01-13 00:44:59	gehidore	left a bad enough taste for me that I refuse to use em
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2022-01-13 00:46:52	jkc	Are we talking some short stuff like FAT32, or like an ext4 UUID?
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2022-01-13 00:51:46	another|	standard random based UUIDs? or something predictable like md5/sha based?
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2022-01-13 00:58:08	jensen	if there a better way to check the version of the newest package about to be installed than to `pacman -Sy`, check, then `pacman -Syu`? Or check the official PKGBUILD https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/linux/trunk/PKGBUILD but that assumes your mirrors are up-to-date, so is less preferable
2022-01-13 00:58:14	jkc	Because if we're talking random, no kidding 128-bit UUIDs, no, you haven't seen a collision. You would have to look at a million every second for over 800 years to have a one in a million chance of seeing a collision.
2022-01-13 00:58:34	Namarrgon	jkc: "checkupdates", -Sy is dangerous
2022-01-13 00:58:39	Namarrgon	jensen: ^
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2022-01-13 00:58:54	jensen	oh right, ty
2022-01-13 00:59:29	rcf	jkc: the 'truly random' bit is the difficult part. 
2022-01-13 01:00:30	jkc	Okay, we can call it biased and be generous. It'll take 80 years looking at a million a second to have a one in a million chance.
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2022-01-13 01:02:52	gh555222	is there a specific guide y'all recommend for building a gcc/glibc toolchain? I finally got an android cellphone rooted, and I have regularly used Linux since 2013, I find most guides are somewhat ambiguous, and would like one there is a community around (I'm in a sense trying to create an Arch Linux environment on an android)
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2022-01-13 01:03:17	rcf	jkc: I'm talking extreme bias, like improperly (or just plain not) seeding a PRNG or deliberately reusing them. People can be very lazy when they think there are no real consequences. 
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2022-01-13 01:04:32	rcf	gh555222: see #archlinuxarm, they have generic rootfs tarballs that you can just chroot into. 
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2022-01-13 01:06:59	jkc	rcf: Except that the rng that mke2fs uses pulls from /dev/random on Linux systems, which is considered an acceptable CSPRNG.
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2022-01-13 01:08:08	jkc	So extreme bias is a pretty extreme assumption.
2022-01-13 01:08:19	Hello72	technically i think that's not necessarily always totally unpredictable, but certainly it would never produce exactly identical output on any reasonable setup
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2022-01-13 01:08:55	nothereisnotanam	<gh555222> "is there a specific guide y'..." <- there isnt drivers to properly make your phone work
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2022-01-13 01:34:35	rcf	demonicmaniac1: that's actually a good idea 
2022-01-13 01:34:51	rcf	leonic: Samba is still the implementation, whether it's a client or a server. 
2022-01-13 01:35:18	rcf	It's just that with Dolphin there's no way to set specific options like you can with the smbclient command line. 
2022-01-13 01:35:36	leonic	hmm
2022-01-13 01:35:52	leonic	can I set NT1 for only 192.168.1.* in smb.conf?
2022-01-13 01:36:25	leonic	or only 192.168.1.4
2022-01-13 01:36:36	kj7rrv	How can I sync my clock with ntp? It's about 0.5 seconds off and I need to correct it
2022-01-13 01:37:06	Edu4rdSHL	timedatectl set-ntp true
2022-01-13 01:37:51	kj7rrv	Thank you
2022-01-13 01:38:09	kj7rrv	I'll be able to tell if that fixed it in about 15 seconds
2022-01-13 01:38:19	kj7rrv	It's still off
2022-01-13 01:39:06	kj7rrv	Should I just let the tablet sit for a while?
2022-01-13 01:39:25	e36freak	about 40 days or so should do it
2022-01-13 01:39:32	kj7rrv	Oh
2022-01-13 01:39:42	kj7rrv	Is there a way to have it fix the clock right now?
2022-01-13 01:40:35	e36freak	why would letting it sit help the clock?
2022-01-13 01:41:22	kj7rrv	I thought it timedatectl gradually changed the time to avoid discontinuities
2022-01-13 01:45:42	rcf	leonic: if there is I can't seem to find it 
2022-01-13 01:47:13	leonic	okay
2022-01-13 01:56:11	Disconsented	Don't suppose anyone has any information about /where to find out when the quassel packages will be updated?
2022-01-13 01:57:01	SponiX	Disconsented: you already flag them "out of date" on the package repo ?
2022-01-13 01:57:17	Disconsented	They've been flagged out of date since the second
2022-01-13 01:57:28	Disconsented	Dont see anything in community-testing either
2022-01-13 01:57:33	SponiX	ouch
2022-01-13 01:57:45	SponiX	normally, on most packs I see like a 3-5 day turn-around
2022-01-13 01:58:43	Disconsented	Yeah, hence the question
2022-01-13 01:59:28	SponiX	might be able to dig up and email the pack maintainer
2022-01-13 02:00:24	SponiX	outside of that, sometimes the hold up is on the dep chain, that is what it was with qbittorrent for me, it needed its under the hood lib updated 1st, and deluge depends on the same one
2022-01-13 02:00:29	leonic	rcf: thanks for your help by the way :-)
2022-01-13 02:01:51	archdemon	good ole quassel
2022-01-13 02:01:57	archdemon	havent used that in a long time
2022-01-13 02:06:23	nothereisnotanam	is there a way to make systemd-boot directly boot the kernel instead of the efistub
2022-01-13 02:20:41	leonic	rcf: I connected my usb drive to a different router that has a newer SMB version, and I can access it in Dolphin. But when copying files to it tranfer speed is less than 1 MB/s. lol
2022-01-13 02:21:41	leonic	I have no idea why it has a usb 3 port when it can't get over a few MB/s.
2022-01-13 02:25:18	rcf	leonic: marketing!
2022-01-13 02:25:19	famus	is the drive usb3 as well? I had that problem until I noticed the USB key I was using was USB 1 or 2 (that's as useful as my trouble-shooting help get btw)
2022-01-13 02:26:04	leonic	yeah, when I connect the drive to my pc, I get over 300 MB/s.
2022-01-13 02:27:12	leonic	but even if it was usb 2, it should still tranfer at 25~30 MB/s
2022-01-13 02:27:33	famus	yeah. weird. firmware all up to date on the router? 
2022-01-13 02:28:33	leonic	firmware version is V5.50(ABPY.1)b16_20210525, so I presume 25 May 2021
2022-01-13 02:28:47	Namarrgon	nothereisnotanam: systemd-boot does directly boot the kernel, which happens to be an efistub
2022-01-13 02:29:18	leonic	but I found that other people also have extremely low usb tranfer speeds with the same modem/router.
2022-01-13 02:30:50	famus	like random internet people on Windows? That would be my next test.. if it's a weird thing going on with the linux SMB interface or whatever
2022-01-13 02:31:19	rcf	Keep in mind that the router is probably using an (old) version of Linux itself. 
2022-01-13 02:31:59	famus	old sure.. but presumably new enough to support its own USB 3 ports
2022-01-13 02:32:39	leonic	yeah, random people on Windows
2022-01-13 02:33:20	rcf	The point being that barring a weird Samba bug, there shouldn't be much of an implementation mismatch at play. 
2022-01-13 02:34:33	rcf	leonic: do you have shell access or is this just a boring stock router 
2022-01-13 02:34:54	leonic	my isp supplied it as adsl modem
2022-01-13 02:34:59	leonic	I don't think I have access.
2022-01-13 02:35:05	rcf	rip
2022-01-13 02:35:31	leonic	I put the drive in the usb 2 port and the transfer speeds are the same. 2 MB/s read, 1 MB/s write.
2022-01-13 02:35:34	SponiX	Namarrgon: when I look at the wiki on systemd-boot it is overwhelming. If I wanted to switch from grub to it, is there a chance you could give me a break down of what I need, and leave out all the rest ?
2022-01-13 02:36:02	rcf	leonic: unfortunately that means they probably aren't selecting it for its excellent SMB performance with a USB hard drive 
2022-01-13 02:36:12	leonic	hahahah
2022-01-13 02:36:39	rcf	Probably just stops at "what will make them complain about the Internet being broken the least?" 
2022-01-13 02:36:54	leonic	it's so shit, it's unusable to stream videos from
2022-01-13 02:36:58	famus	if it's any consolation my fancy new ISP supplied router advertises that I can plug in a USB drive and it becomes my home file server.. but the reality is that it does absolutely nothing when I plug any USB in
2022-01-13 02:37:28	rcf	leonic: ADSL has a way of doing that in the modern age
2022-01-13 02:37:30	leonic	famus: maybe it only accepts exfat formatted drives?
2022-01-13 02:37:38	SponiX	Namarrgon: scratch that, instead of having you spoon feed me. I'll do some Google-Fu and see if anyone has a "quick and dirty" type guide on it
2022-01-13 02:37:57	SponiX	I'm a bit old for the flying spoon
2022-01-13 02:38:00	famus	is exfat the same as fat? I gave it various fat drives
2022-01-13 02:38:21	leonic	rcf: oh, the internet itself is pretty good. 100 mb/s down, 30 mb/s up.
2022-01-13 02:38:27	earnestly	famus: nope
2022-01-13 02:38:33	leonic	famus: no, exfat is a new format.
2022-01-13 02:38:35	SponiX	famus: nope, there is FAT(fat32), exFAT, FAT16 and so forth
2022-01-13 02:39:08	SponiX	with the new kernel 5.16 ntfs support -- it might be the bestest option now, not sure
2022-01-13 02:39:19	rcf	SponiX: this is a router, you are not getting anywhere near a modern kernel 
2022-01-13 02:39:21	famus	and a newer router might only take exfat? I'll try that
2022-01-13 02:39:43	rcf	famus: it's part of the SD card spec, for example. 
2022-01-13 02:39:49	SponiX	rcf: lol ... I always wondered why routers use REALLY OLD kernels
2022-01-13 02:40:08	SponiX	rcf: Samsung is at least getting last gen LTS kernels on their phones, routers are like just Wow
2022-01-13 02:40:22	leonic	famus: yeah, I think my router only accepts exfat.
2022-01-13 02:40:32	leonic	maybe yours is the same.
2022-01-13 02:40:52	leonic	another thing is mbr vs gpt partitioning. your router might not support gpt.
2022-01-13 02:40:59	rcf	SponiX: they want vendor-supplied out-of-tree modules to work, and Linux actively makes this very difficult to keep up to date. Way too much effort for companies who already have your money to bother. 
2022-01-13 02:41:29	leonic	mbr/msdos/whatever vs gpt
2022-01-13 02:42:31	rcf	famus: while it does fix the 32-bit file limit problem, they also took the time (as they did with FAT32 when it came out) to get a few patents and charge royalties on said SD cards. 
2022-01-13 02:44:20	leonic	I have my drives formatted as f2fs.
2022-01-13 02:45:05	⚡ 	rcf mumbles something about more data eaten than btrfs
2022-01-13 02:45:06	leonic	but with the new in-kernel ntfs3, I thought about formatting them ntfs so I could share them between dual-boot windows/linux.
2022-01-13 02:45:51	leonic	f2fs has less features than btrfs and I think many android phones already use it a while.
2022-01-13 02:47:09	leonic	the compression feature of f2fs is weird though.
2022-01-13 02:48:04	leonic	it does compress the files and you can get like 70 MB/s through usb 2, but the space that is saved isn't accessible.
2022-01-13 02:48:44	famus	welp. I did not expect to ever bother with that again but thank you gents. I now I have a semi-pointless 8GB network drive attached to my router.
2022-01-13 02:49:01	leonic	it works? :-o
2022-01-13 02:49:05	famus	yeah
2022-01-13 02:49:08	leonic	haha
2022-01-13 02:49:10	leonic	nice
2022-01-13 02:49:45	leonic	it might not be so pointless if you attach a 500-2000gb ssd drive.
2022-01-13 02:50:07	leonic	or 2.5" hdd.
2022-01-13 02:51:10	famus	when it didn't work last month I spun up debian on my old laptop.. it was more fun and can run scripts to rsync my 500 GB portables :/
2022-01-13 03:20:05	kevr	it's not pointless, you learned some things
2022-01-13 03:20:07	kevr	that's a gain
2022-01-13 03:21:32	killertofus2	should i archfi to install arch? or is there a better way?
2022-01-13 03:21:58	kevr	hold your horses, charlie
2022-01-13 03:22:13	thrice	perhaps the official installer?
2022-01-13 03:22:16	kevr	how about going through the installation guide that can be found on the arch wiki and installing the distribution via live iso?
2022-01-13 03:22:24	killertofus2	link that
2022-01-13 03:22:28	kevr	google it
2022-01-13 03:22:30	thrice	no
2022-01-13 03:22:33	kevr	"arch installation guide"
2022-01-13 03:24:50	kevr	killertofus2: third party installation tools are not supported in here, just a heads up
2022-01-13 03:25:01	kevr	we expect folks to be familiar with what they've done during installation.
2022-01-13 03:25:48	kevr	and this tool removes the need for all of that knowledge from the user.
2022-01-13 03:26:26	kevr	that being said, there is a semi-official arch installer script that _can_ make things simple for you.
2022-01-13 03:26:37	kevr	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Archinstall
2022-01-13 03:26:38	phrik	Title: archinstall - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-13 03:26:47	archdemon	not gonna lie
2022-01-13 03:26:50	archdemon	i used it and liked it
2022-01-13 03:26:56	kevr	+1
2022-01-13 03:49:17	lpv[m]	Guys do you know how I could make an image viewer like feh or sxiv be able to browse through files in a folder when clicking on an image? Meaning to go next when you click on right arrow for example. I copied made a script for feh that works from terminal but still through pcmanfm or nautilus folder is not browsable
2022-01-13 03:53:45	espresso	lpv[m]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications/Multimedia#Image_viewers may have one like that?
2022-01-13 03:53:46	phrik	Title: List of applications/Multimedia - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-13 03:54:34	espresso	'pacman -Ss image' shows more..
2022-01-13 03:56:58	lpv[m]	Sorry I meant to say be able to browse files when opened through a file manager. I'm already trying with both feh and sxiv from the list
2022-01-13 03:57:55	espresso	that's what i thought you said..
2022-01-13 03:58:11	wiscii	browser view ? option or someting
2022-01-13 04:00:26	thrice	https://i.imgur.com/6XjxEtE.png  ?
2022-01-13 04:01:00	lpv[m]	Nevermind found the solution, my bad. Thanks!
2022-01-13 04:02:12	lpv[m]	thrice: I'm running on a 2x1.6 GHz so I'm going lite :p
2022-01-13 04:04:23	espresso	lpv[m]: and of course, lighter is increasingly important the faster you want to go
2022-01-13 04:04:41	mefistofeles	unless you are going downhill
2022-01-13 04:04:43	mefistofeles	:)
2022-01-13 04:05:03	MacGyver	espresso: Actually, the opposite is true.
2022-01-13 04:10:03	espresso	*more efficient when you want to speed
2022-01-13 04:18:38	GoKritz	Installed mesa via pacman. Computer bricked
2022-01-13 04:18:54	GoKritz	I can get into it with the install media and arch-chroot
2022-01-13 04:19:33	GoKritz	Tried to remove it, but pacman complains about dependencies. Should I forcefully remove it?
2022-01-13 04:19:50	Namarrgon	no, you shouldn't. why did you "install" mesa?
2022-01-13 04:21:00	GoKritz	Was trying to fix an issue with minecraft where it wouldn't start, thought I might not have installed proper graphics drivers. Looked it up for my hardware on the arch wiki
2022-01-13 04:21:20	Scimmia	what did you install, exactly?
2022-01-13 04:21:29	Scimmia	and how? Partial update, maybe?
2022-01-13 04:23:31	GoKritz	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AMDGPU followed this, installed mesa and rebooted. Have done arch-chroot via my install media and done pacman -Syu, but still no display when I start my computer 
2022-01-13 04:23:32	phrik	Title: AMDGPU - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-13 04:23:58	Namarrgon	are you booting into a DM?
2022-01-13 04:24:54	GoKritz	Sorry what's a DM?
2022-01-13 04:25:14	Namarrgon	a Display Manager, gdm, lightdm, sddm, etc
2022-01-13 04:25:14	GoKritz	Oh a display manager - no, not even a terminal
2022-01-13 04:25:25	Scimmia	he's asking if you have a DM enabled
2022-01-13 04:25:28	GoKritz	Just a blinking white underscore
2022-01-13 04:25:37	Namarrgon	but do you use one?
2022-01-13 04:25:42	GoKritz	Yeah, gdm
2022-01-13 04:26:07	Namarrgon	can you switch to the next vt?
2022-01-13 04:26:38	GoKritz	VT?
2022-01-13 04:26:48	Namarrgon	virtual terminal
2022-01-13 04:27:18	Namarrgon	(ctrl+)alt+f4?
2022-01-13 04:27:30	GoKritz	Lemme reboot and see
2022-01-13 04:28:33	GoKritz	Error is "failed to start Load Kernel Modules"
2022-01-13 04:28:52	GoKritz	And no
2022-01-13 04:29:42	Namarrgon	do you have a separate /boot fs?
2022-01-13 04:30:07	Scimmia	If you had GDM installed, you already had mesa, so all it would have done was reinstall it. That isn't what caused this
2022-01-13 04:30:34	GoKritz	Yeah, grub is installed to a secondary partition
2022-01-13 04:31:03	Scimmia	that wasn't the question
2022-01-13 04:31:03	Namarrgon	that's not what i'm asking. do you mount a filesystem to /boot?
2022-01-13 04:31:15	GoKritz	Yes
2022-01-13 04:31:30	Namarrgon	was it mounted when you update the kernel package the last time?
2022-01-13 04:31:47	GoKritz	Maybe not
2022-01-13 04:32:03	Namarrgon	check what is in the /boot directory when the /boot-fs isn't mounted
2022-01-13 04:32:47	GoKritz	Was going to check my fstab, but I'll do that too 
2022-01-13 04:33:28	Scimmia	is this a pretty new installation?
2022-01-13 04:33:37	GoKritz	Somewhat, yes
2022-01-13 04:34:01	Scimmia	then it could also be that grub was configured without the /boot partiiton mounted
2022-01-13 04:34:10	Scimmia	either one would cause what you're seeing
2022-01-13 04:34:38	GoKritz	So yeah, there's a lot of kernel stuff in my /boot folder and my boot partition isn't mounted
2022-01-13 04:35:14	Namarrgon	is /boot listed in the fstab?
2022-01-13 04:35:18	GoKritz	Yes
2022-01-13 04:35:35	GoKritz	So... "rm -rf /boot/*"?
2022-01-13 04:35:37	Namarrgon	where are the grub files? in /boot or on the separate /boot-fs?
2022-01-13 04:35:46	GoKritz	Looks like both now
2022-01-13 04:36:00	Namarrgon	you installed grub twice?
2022-01-13 04:36:19	GoKritz	No, just mesa I think
2022-01-13 04:36:31	Namarrgon	did you actually look for the grub directory or are you assuming?
2022-01-13 04:36:46	Scimmia	GoKritz: forget mesa. That has nothing to do with anything
2022-01-13 04:37:39	GoKritz	Grub files are on the boot fs
2022-01-13 04:38:46	GoKritz	Namarrgon: yeah I was assuming, I just now looked
2022-01-13 04:39:35	dirtcastle	I'll be buying a rpi or beaglebone. is arch linux arm as good as arch linux x86
2022-01-13 04:40:33	gh555222	'as good'?
2022-01-13 04:40:34	Namarrgon	GoKritz: so then the real kernel is probably on the separate fs. clean up the crap in the /boot directory, mount the /boot-fs and reinstall the kernel.
2022-01-13 04:40:58	Scimmia	I would reinstall/reconfigure grub just to be sure if it was me as well
2022-01-13 04:41:13	GoKritz	Okay. No idea why this happened. Thanks guys
2022-01-13 04:41:33	Scimmia	GoKritz: did you do a pacman -Sy at some point with all of this?
2022-01-13 04:41:40	GoKritz	Haha yeah
2022-01-13 04:42:05	Scimmia	so what happened is that you did a partial update. You updated mesa only, which broke everyting
2022-01-13 04:42:27	Scimmia	so then when you went to fix it from the live disk, you updated everything, but didn't have the /boot partition mounted
2022-01-13 04:42:32	GoKritz	el0
2022-01-13 04:42:58	GoKritz	Welp... I didn't know i had mesa already. I was sort of just following instructions from the wiki
2022-01-13 04:43:10	Scimmia	don't use -Sy unless someone that really, really knows what they're doing tells you do. Mostly from the news on the front page
2022-01-13 04:43:46	GoKritz	Oh wait no, I was doing -Syu
2022-01-13 04:43:50	GoKritz	Is that different?
2022-01-13 04:43:57	Scimmia	yes, that's different
2022-01-13 04:44:06	Scimmia	in that case, I don't know what happened
2022-01-13 04:44:06	GoKritz	OK, then no
2022-01-13 04:44:07	dirtcastle	gh555222, in terms of packages and no of bugs? are they essentially same and all packages & bug fixes in x86 just get ported to arm? 
2022-01-13 04:45:55	gh555222	dirtcastle, I don't think bugs are 'severe' smaller less disturbing bugs may still happen, especially with "higher-tech" software which has arbitrary dependencies but most of your "core" and "lower tech" softwares should work just fine
2022-01-13 04:47:22	dirtcastle	gh555222, that helped thanks. 
2022-01-13 04:47:43	dirtcastle	or maybe I should use docker and install both arch and debian just in case
2022-01-13 04:49:09	gh555222	that is a good plan, I keep a few virtual machines laying around for working around bugs, then I just hook in an RPC from the 'bug infested' machine
2022-01-13 04:49:14	another|	Scimmia: I do partial updates even if the front page doesn't tell me to ;) But I know what I'm doing
2022-01-13 05:18:29	GoKritz	Wrong filesystem type. was ext4 instead of vfat in the fstab
2022-01-13 05:18:36	GoKritz	I'm a 5head
2022-01-13 05:18:48	GoKritz	Thanks twice 
2022-01-13 05:18:50	dirtcastle	gh555222, guess I have to look up rpc. I'm new to all these things. 
2022-01-13 05:41:57	gh555222	dirtcastle: rpc stands for Remote Procedure Call, there was a great linuxjournal article on how to make any library into one available via RPC, think about it like, the ability to forward system calls to a different operating system
2022-01-13 05:42:31	gh555222	so your open(2), read(2), and write(2) calls could actually happen on a computer on the far site of the earth
2022-01-13 05:43:23	wiscii	on another planet!
2022-01-13 05:44:04	gh555222	maybe someday when you declare a String[] in Java, you'll actually be using the unlimited RAM and cpu abilities of black holes using String[] theory!
2022-01-13 05:44:28	wiscii	i mean like Beagal
2022-01-13 05:45:29	gh555222	I think Beagals are a myth, in the 5 years i've been in this basement, I haven't seen 1 beagal
2022-01-13 05:45:49	wiscii	oh no, that was the one that got stuck in a hole!
2022-01-13 05:46:07	gh555222	sometimes I think the world actually ended years ago, and the whole www is now just an emulation of what it once was
2022-01-13 05:46:16	wiscii	the Mars thing, Beagal
2022-01-13 05:46:39	gh555222	nah Beagals don't live on Mars
2022-01-13 05:46:59	pounce	my headphones audio control works but pause/play next/prev song doesn't seem to work
2022-01-13 05:47:12	pounce	ive just installed mpris-proxy and it still doesn't work
2022-01-13 05:47:23	pounce	also i've verified that mpris works normally
2022-01-13 05:47:57	pounce	headphones are wh-10000xm4
2022-01-13 05:48:02	wiscii	RPC *has* been called across an entire solar system
2022-01-13 05:48:21	wiscii	a part of a Solar System
2022-01-13 05:53:47	wiscii	that was fkn nuts
2022-01-13 07:49:37	urawotlol	Hi, I have a mild issue. I just updated my system and kernel and now it wont boot. ive found the problem mkinitcpio is not copying the interpreter at /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 to the initramfs
2022-01-13 07:50:09	urawotlol	i am currently booted on the system from a initrd stolen from my laptop but genenerating it does not help. any solutions?
2022-01-13 07:53:38	grawity	if you're grepping it for the full path, note that lib64/ is a symlink, so the listing will actually have usr/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
2022-01-13 07:54:48	urawotlol	i know its a symlink. the problem is it does not get coppied via mkinitcpio -P on generate of new initrd
2022-01-13 07:54:52	urawotlol	https://termbin.com/wu4e
2022-01-13 08:17:23	amosbird	Is there anyway to disable ld.so.preload?
2022-01-13 08:51:10	luigibu	hi! is KGpg needed by the system? is to annoying that popus at login everytime
2022-01-13 08:51:58	BrainDamage	no, but it might be needed for what you have installed
2022-01-13 08:52:22	luigibu	i think it came just with kde
2022-01-13 08:52:49	BrainDamage	you've installed, because my kde doesn't have it
2022-01-13 08:53:37	luigibu	mm... it could be.. 
2022-01-13 09:16:42	colo	anybody else's firefox broken?
2022-01-13 09:17:23	jelle	broken in what sense? ::)
2022-01-13 09:17:53	murr4y	colo: I might have the same issue, no pages seem to load
2022-01-13 09:18:34	colo	hmm, seems to work again after crashing a few times. entering an URL into the awesome bar caused the wheel on the tab to spin, but no other activities observable (no DNS resolution, accodring to the status bar at the bottom, etc.)
2022-01-13 09:18:47	jelle	hmm is their dns server bork :o
2022-01-13 09:19:17	colo	murr4y, yeah, possibly. I pkilled all firefox processes, clicked away the mozilla crash handler dialog, ran my places sqlite cleanup script - now it works again. for now.
2022-01-13 09:19:25	colo	jelle, I do not use DoH
2022-01-13 09:19:34	colo	my firefox uses my system's resolver for DNS queries
2022-01-13 09:19:40	jelle	aha
2022-01-13 09:21:26	murr4y	Hm, mine is quite permanently not working, after forced shutdown, even reboot :o new tabs are just loading without any response or timeout. DNS resolver in about:networking works
2022-01-13 09:21:44	murr4y	Dammit, you gave me hope it's affecting more than just me :)
2022-01-13 09:22:00	colo	I rebooted, too. and initially after that, it did not work either.
2022-01-13 09:22:17	colo	I am not sure what "fixed" it, and if that "fix" is going to turn out ephemeral...
2022-01-13 09:23:28	nyasaki	Stupid question: Wouldnt be something lik that a trademark infringement? https://sourceforge.net/projects/arch-linux-gui/
2022-01-13 09:24:05	nyasaki	https://archlinuxgui.in/
2022-01-13 09:24:07	phrik	Title: Arch Linux GUI (at archlinuxgui.in)
2022-01-13 09:25:34	barometz	gonna go with probably not, skimming https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy
2022-01-13 09:25:35	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:TrademarkPolicy - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-13 09:26:04	thurstylark	from a support perspective, it's at least inaccurately described
2022-01-13 09:26:21	thurstylark	read: a resulting system wouldn't get support here
2022-01-13 09:28:04	colo	murr4y, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29918052
2022-01-13 09:28:06	phrik	Title: Anyone else having problems with Firefox? | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com)
2022-01-13 09:29:18	murr4y	Wow, indeed a major issue. Clearing all site data worked for me now
2022-01-13 09:32:30	colo	a number of people saying that:    `network.http.http3.enabled` in about:config to false fixed it for me.
2022-01-13 09:36:37	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-13 09:41:02	teraflops	colo: i can confirm that setting that to false fixes the issue
2022-01-13 09:41:47	teraflops	my father was complaining about no internet this morning ;)
2022-01-13 09:41:48	colo	good :)
2022-01-13 09:41:51	colo	hehe
2022-01-13 09:42:16	colo	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg
2022-01-13 09:43:26	Furai	Hey, how would I approach this kind of scenario? I need to add certain patch to official software available through pacman. Mainly openvpn. What are the best practices here? Is there wiki page describing steps to take when trying to modify official builds? Is there a way to get upstream all the time and just apply patches whenever new version comes out? 
2022-01-13 09:43:34	teraflops	I do not use youtube, this is a personal choice
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2022-01-13 09:43:58	Foxboron	Furai: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Patching_packages
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2022-01-13 09:43:59	phrik	Title: Patching packages - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-13 09:44:24	Foxboron	Furai: but you need to rebuild each package with each release Arch does. There is nothing to do that part automatically
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2022-01-13 09:45:31	Furai	Foxboron, thank you! I'll take a look.
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2022-01-13 09:48:04	Furai	Oh another thing that came up yesterday. Is attempted logins failure that locks out one's account controlled by gnome or somewhere in os? I couldn't find any pam_tally configuration but I haven't really dug into it.
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2022-01-13 09:48:33	jelle	Furai: look for faillock :)
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2022-01-13 09:48:45	Furai	Hmm, ok, I've seen it somewhere there.
2022-01-13 09:48:47	Furai	Thanks!
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2022-01-13 09:49:05	Furai	It was annoying cause I locked myself out and then logged into root to fix it but didn't know where to look for it.
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2022-01-13 09:50:37	jelle	Furai: you can look into ehh
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2022-01-13 09:51:31	jelle	 /fifo /run/faillock
2022-01-13 09:51:36	jelle	not /fifo lol
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2022-01-13 09:52:02	Furai	Ok, thank you for all the tips, I really appreciate it!
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2022-01-13 09:54:09	jelle	Furai: you can clear /run/faillock and then you should be able to log in again
2022-01-13 09:54:12	dbrgn	disabling network.http.http3.enabled fixed firefox for me as well. lost almost an hour because I thought my profile was somehow broken, and I created a new one... :/
2022-01-13 09:54:27	dbrgn	is there some kind of logfile written by firefox where this might have been visible?
2022-01-13 09:54:54	teraflops	it fails on windows as well
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2022-01-13 09:55:42	dbrgn	I think this is the bugzilla entry: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908
2022-01-13 09:55:44	phrik	Title: 1749908 - Infinite loop in HTTP3 hangs socket thread (at bugzilla.mozilla.org)
2022-01-13 09:56:49	dbrgn	apparently this even affects people with older firefox versions (91 ESR).
2022-01-13 09:57:02	dbrgn	"It's not related to a specific version, we're getting reports ESR is even affected. Suspicion is around some long existing HTTP3 bug that's being triggered by an external service updating."
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2022-01-13 09:57:25	rcf	...how the hell did they retroactively break it, that's impressive. 
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2022-01-13 10:01:05	lastmikoi	haven't searched a lot but it's likely their data collection service is broken and it on the critical path of the request
2022-01-13 10:01:06	ℹ 	dianya1 es conocido ahora como dianya
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2022-01-13 10:04:28	dbrgn	yeah someone else on reddit wrote: "Other workaround: Go to preferences -> Firefox Data Collection and uncheck everything. Then restart Firefox"
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2022-01-13 10:04:45	jelle	waaaat
2022-01-13 10:04:46	dbrgn	if that's true, that would be a major fuckup.
2022-01-13 10:05:13	dbrgn	I reverted the http3 settings, ensured that all data collection is turned off in the privacy settings and restarted firefox. so far, it seems to work :/
2022-01-13 10:05:43	teraflops	yeah that sounds like a saner workaround
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2022-01-13 10:09:00	lastmikoi	I am gonna love reading up the postmortem on this
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2022-01-13 10:09:37	teraflops	shit happens
2022-01-13 10:09:48	bjourne	dbrgn: is this why firefox stopped working today?
2022-01-13 10:09:54	lastmikoi	and to think mozilla wants us to put our DNS requests into their (cloudflare shared) infrastructure as well, they really need a wake up call to keep it simple stupid
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2022-01-13 10:10:47	dbrgn	bjourne: yeah apparently. turning off all telemetry/reporting seems to help.
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2022-01-13 10:11:25	meireikei	I just did a pacman -Syu, and now multimedia playback is completely broken on my system
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2022-01-13 10:11:30	meireikei	both sound and video
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2022-01-13 10:12:00	meireikei	if I try to e.g. play a youtube video or listen to music in clementine, the media doesn't actually advance
2022-01-13 10:12:14	meireikei	it acts like it's paused even when it's not
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2022-01-13 10:12:28	meireikei	this happens in video players in multiple browsers, clementine, smplayer
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2022-01-13 10:12:38	meireikei	also retroarch seems to be broken in a similar way
2022-01-13 10:13:06	lastmikoi	meireikei: had the same issue a few months ago, migrating from pulseaudio to pipewire did the trick
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2022-01-13 10:13:34	meireikei	I'm on pipewire
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2022-01-13 10:15:04	slashome	hi everyone !
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2022-01-13 10:16:28	Furai	cork plugin? Are you on some call?
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2022-01-13 10:17:05	slashome	I'm new here but I need help, they make me install Ubuntu at work if I can't solve my issue T.T
2022-01-13 10:17:16	slashome	Sorry for bothering you guys :/
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2022-01-13 10:18:06	alerque	slashome: What's the trouble?
2022-01-13 10:18:14	meireikei	huh I guess I wasn't actually on pipewire
2022-01-13 10:18:21	meireikei	I thought I did the upgrade months ago
2022-01-13 10:18:25	Furai	Lol, that firefox bug just affected my older brother on MacOS.
2022-01-13 10:18:26	meireikei	maybe it was on a different pc than this one
2022-01-13 10:18:32	meireikei	anyway that fixed it, thanks lastmikoi 
2022-01-13 10:18:45	jelle	Furai: yes, it's not OS dependendant
2022-01-13 10:19:01	Furai	Is pipewire better than pulsaudio?
2022-01-13 10:19:14	meireikei	Furai: well it fixed my problem just now
2022-01-13 10:19:14	alerque	Ya I dropped in here because of the Firefox bug too, I thought my daily Syu brought is something broken.
2022-01-13 10:19:35	meireikei	and it is supposed to be newer, better-designed base audio software than any of pulseaudio/alsa/jack
2022-01-13 10:19:51	icy_hot	what was that firefox bug? a while ago my pages didn't load at all
2022-01-13 10:19:53	meireikei	what's the firefox bug?
2022-01-13 10:19:58	Khorne	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908
2022-01-13 10:20:00	slashome	alerque: my /etc/hosts seems to not work since the last update, we use <companyname>.local custom host but it doesn't work anymore
2022-01-13 10:20:01	phrik	Title: 1749908 - Infinite loop in HTTP3 hangs socket thread (at bugzilla.mozilla.org)
2022-01-13 10:20:06	jelle	I should ops
2022-01-13 10:20:30	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+o jelle] por ChanServ
2022-01-13 10:21:04	Khorne	Gloves are off
2022-01-13 10:21:05	icy_hot	and now it's as if firefox forgot everything about me
2022-01-13 10:21:14	ℹ 	jelle ha cambiado el tema para #archlinux de "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Every day, AUR scientists are looking for new ways to kill bugs. They're doing their part. Are you? Join the AUR Infantry and save the world! https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html" a "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-13 10:21:24	@jelle	/kick germans
2022-01-13 10:21:26	@jelle	woops
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2022-01-13 10:21:28	Khorne	r00d
2022-01-13 10:21:33	teraflops	lol
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2022-01-13 10:22:10	dbrgn	to fix the firefox bug, don't disable http3. instead, turn off all data reporting in the privacy settings.
2022-01-13 10:22:19	dbrgn	thanks jelle, good call :)
2022-01-13 10:23:03	alerque	slashome: What are you using to manage your interfaces? Systemd? Netctl? NetworkManager? Other?
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2022-01-13 10:23:59	icy_hot	thanks jelle 
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2022-01-13 10:25:08	slashome	alerque: I'm unsure, how can I know ? :/
2022-01-13 10:25:20	dbrgn	alerque: networkd is nice for stationary setups, on my laptop I use netctl + netctl-auto.
2022-01-13 10:25:33	dbrgn	ah sorry, I thought it was an open question. :/
2022-01-13 10:25:41	teraflops	slashome: who did setup arch there?
2022-01-13 10:25:45	jelle	icy_hot: what did I fix? :o
2022-01-13 10:25:49	slashome	dbrgn: hahaha ^^
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2022-01-13 10:26:24	slashome	teraflops: I use to do a manual install but now I use Manjaro i3
2022-01-13 10:27:07	icy_hot	for pointing me to the right direction
2022-01-13 10:27:08	teraflops	you should ask in #manjaro I think
2022-01-13 10:27:32	slashome	teraflops: you're right sorry ^^'
2022-01-13 10:27:38	alerque	slashome: Try `systemctl status netctl systemd-networkd NetworkManager`, that should give you a clue.
2022-01-13 10:27:50	slashome	thanks everybody for your time !
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2022-01-13 10:28:26	Khorne	Is netctl still not dead?
2022-01-13 10:28:41	slashome	alerque: NetworkManager is the only active one
2022-01-13 10:29:02	alerque	slashome: If this is Manjaro you should ask in their IRC or forums, if an update changed something they are more likely to know what changed. Nothing in Arch did to my knowledge.
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2022-01-13 10:29:44	slashome	alerque: yes your are right, I'm going to do that, thank you very much for your time :)
2022-01-13 10:29:47	alerque	Khorne: Nope, still very much not dead.
2022-01-13 10:29:58	Khorne	Terrible
2022-01-13 10:30:01	teraflops	heh
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2022-01-13 10:30:55	alerque	slashome: You're probably looking for some Network Manager (the gnome network settings use this) setting about resolvers and which ones to use, and enabling hosts as one of the resolvers.
2022-01-13 10:31:41	alerque	Khorne: But it is so much less terrible than systemd-networkd ....
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2022-01-13 10:33:21	Khorne	alerque, is it though? Feels like for wired it's a non factor in the first place and for wireless iwd beats the mangled up wpa_supplicant shit you have to put into netctl
2022-01-13 10:34:17	teraflops	nm is more reliable regarding wireless than netctl in my experience
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2022-01-13 10:34:47	dbrgn	netctl + netctl-auto + wifi-menu always worked flawlessly for me, without much messing with the configuration. I'm not familiar with iwd though.
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2022-01-13 10:35:05	teraflops	my coffeemaker is more reliable than netctl imo
2022-01-13 10:35:22	Khorne	dbrgn, try a RADIUS authenticating network :')
2022-01-13 10:35:24	dbrgn	I've had much more issues with nm in the past :)
2022-01-13 10:35:52	alerque	Khorne: I don't use it for wireless (typically NM for that) but the last time I tried to setup a complex wired setup with bridged interfaces networkd was just a bug-bear and netctl handled it nicely.
2022-01-13 10:35:56	dbrgn	Khorne: ok, I can see that this could make things complicated :) it's been a while since I've needed wifi enterprise auth.
2022-01-13 10:36:17	teraflops	alerque: you can use nm for such purposes as well, it works ok
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2022-01-13 10:37:16	teraflops	bridging bonding and tagging works ok on NM
2022-01-13 10:38:05	teraflops	the main concern of netctl is the lack of development/support I guess
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2022-01-16 12:04:05	randomxusr	Having an issue with KDE and installing service menu. I'm trying to install 7z Archive compress decompress menu by intika, and it's failing, but I'm not sure why. How can I check this?
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2022-01-16 12:07:17	stale	randomxusr: failing as in not showing up in the context menu?
2022-01-16 12:07:51	alloy	Hi, can someone please tell me how to install a kernel version?  I want to try 5.10 as a module doesn't seem to compile in 5.15lts
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2022-01-16 12:09:23	alloy	oh aur
2022-01-16 12:09:32	randomxusr	stale, as in it never install, and I'm brought to a terminal dropped into the download folder for the services with no error. The installer continues to show a moving gear, and the context menu is not updated
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2022-01-16 12:11:42	stale	randomxusr: i'm not that versed in how KDE works, but the installer must drop some logs somewhere you could take a look
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2022-01-16 12:14:45	randomxusr	stale,  true. I may need to locate the process, kill it, and try again to be sure I can identify the error.
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2022-01-16 12:15:41	stale	taking a look at the install script, it's a whole bunch of calls to `$ servicemenuinstallation`
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2022-01-16 12:16:00	stale	from the tarball on the downloads
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2022-01-16 12:16:54	stale	could check and see if that command is throwing errors
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2022-01-16 12:20:17	randomxusr	stale, yea. I'm wondering now, if it's types in the Authors install.sh or just mismatch with new names
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2022-01-16 12:21:11	magnus1	hey! im trying to install a 2nd kernel (linux-zen) in my arch system. So i can have both linux and linux-zen kernels. My bootloader is refind. I see that after "pacman -Sy linux-zen", the new kernel and initramfs are placed into /boot as expected. When i reboot, refind correctly finds the kernel and i can boot it. But I always end up at a rescue shell for the linux-zen kernel and my keyboard
2022-01-16 12:21:13	magnus1	doesn't work. It's almost as if the initramfs image doesnt contain all the stuff it needs to. I found that the linux-zen package installs a mkinitcpio config into /etc/mkinitcpio.d/linux-zen.preset .. but I also notice the initramfs.img file for linux-zen is a few hundred kb smaller than the standard one (for linux kernel). Anyone encountered problems like this?
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2022-01-16 12:24:28	stale	magnus1: found a very similar forum post https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=270407
2022-01-16 12:24:29	phrik	Title: Multiple kernels, kernel errors on boot after update (DKMS / Refined) / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-01-16 12:26:30	stale	no solution...
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2022-01-16 12:31:45	magnus1	stale: thanks! actually, it did contain solution :) i had missed the extra_kernel_version_strings in /boot/efi/refind/refind.conf 
2022-01-16 12:32:10	magnus1	so now my linux-zen booted OK, great!
2022-01-16 12:32:38	magnus1	unfortunately, kernel suspend seem equally broken in linux-zen as it is in linux [5.16-arch1]. .. for my Ryzen 5800H system
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2022-01-16 12:35:19	stale	magnus1: dang, bad luck. only thing i had to do to get suspend working here was ensure a big enough swap
2022-01-16 12:36:15	stale	i might be thinking of hibernate
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2022-01-16 12:44:49	magnus1	the system does enter suspend, but on resume everything just freezes. might be some regression with 5.16 though, according to https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues?label_name%5B%5D=s0ix
2022-01-16 12:44:50	phrik	Title: Issues · drm / amd · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
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2022-01-16 12:45:29	magnus1	... so it might be an issue with the amdgpu issue, dunno. might try kernel 5.15, seem to be more stable with suspend according to some. this is a brand new laptop, so only tested 5.16 on it so far.
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2022-01-16 12:48:00	stale	magnus1: explains why you are tinkering to get suspend working, it's a laptop
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2022-01-16 12:51:26	magnus1	and yeah, swap is only used for hibernation. i'd be happy if i could just suspend the system and keep ddr in refresh state
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2022-01-16 12:57:16	randomxusr	How can I check if a package has a missing dependency?
2022-01-16 12:57:49	ℹ 	kupi es conocido ahora como Guest6690
2022-01-16 12:58:36	Scimmia	it depends. namcap may be able to tell you, it may not
2022-01-16 12:58:47	Scimmia	there's no real generic answer
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2022-01-16 13:12:42	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-01-16 13:12:42	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1427 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1426 normals)
2022-01-16 12:59:41	stale	randomxusr: are you developing a package or is some package giving you trouble?
2022-01-16 13:01:22	BrainDamage	building in a clean chroot is a good starting point
2022-01-16 13:01:25	randomxusr	stale, not developing. Trying to get some tools working. I tried to run that Servicemenuinstallation from the command line and get command not found. the valus of $? is 127
2022-01-16 13:01:34	Guest4492	guys :D could anyone provide any resources to make network (of my pc ofc) more secure? my skills are zero on networking so
2022-01-16 13:02:34	BrainDamage	ah, that sounds like you'll need to inspect the code itself, but first perhaps try to check the package optional deps if you're missing some
2022-01-16 13:03:19	randomxusr	I'm a bit lost here then
2022-01-16 13:03:31	stale	randomxusr: i'd approach that searching package file listings for that script
2022-01-16 13:03:49	Scimmia	if you're lost, stop giving partial information. Post exact commands and output
2022-01-16 13:04:07	Scimmia	phrases like "some tools" should never be used
2022-01-16 13:05:39	stale	partial info aside, found out servicemenuinstallation is a ruby script
2022-01-16 13:07:15	stale	still no clue which package it belongs to https://searchcode.com/codesearch/view/20574411/
2022-01-16 13:07:15	phrik	Title: servicemenuinstallation | searchcode (at searchcode.com)
2022-01-16 13:11:06	evilop	Guest4492: firewall all the things, don't connect random devices
2022-01-16 13:12:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-16 13:13:14	th0rne	Guest4492❱ Don't pipe curls into sudo.
2022-01-16 13:13:15	stale	randomxusr: one thing i'd give a try is just plopping the .desktop files in the right folder, which seems to be /usr/share/kservices5/ServiceMenus or ~/.local/share/kservices5/ServiceMenus
2022-01-16 13:13:48	stale	am getting these paths from some _very_ old forum posts, so take em with a grain of salt
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2022-01-16 13:13:56	magnus1	 /quit bye!
2022-01-16 13:14:00	magnus1	 /quit bye!
2022-01-16 13:14:04	magnus1	god damnit :D
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2022-01-16 13:15:55	randomxusr	stale, thanks. I'll try that. The *.desktop folders are utf8 files with I'm guessing is ruby code to tie the context menus to the appropriate binary binaries, ie; gzip etc
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2022-01-16 13:17:36	Guest4492	th0rne and evilop thanks. is that all tho? 
2022-01-16 13:17:50	evilop	use tls for all your internal services
2022-01-16 13:17:51	stale	randomxusr: even less than that, it's a straight copy to the proper folder, lines 1 thru 13 in the code listing i sent earlier
2022-01-16 13:18:01	evilop	and simply don't trust your network
2022-01-16 13:18:43	evilop	keep everything up to date
2022-01-16 13:18:45	Guest4492	I don't trust it at all. sadly my network blocks tor and bridges are hella slow
2022-01-16 13:19:06	evilop	so its not actually your network
2022-01-16 13:19:24	Guest4492	wdym? 
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2022-01-16 13:54:41	mgnad78	Just wanted to leave a notice .. the freebasic package from community needs most likely a recompile ... https://termbin.com/2yva
2022-01-16 13:55:07	NetSysFire	!bugs
2022-01-16 13:55:09	phrik	Bugs?! Arch Linux has no bugs! Oh.. wait.. https://bugs.archlinux.org
2022-01-16 13:55:31	NetSysFire	although felixonmars is in here
2022-01-16 13:57:23	mgnad78	I guess i might be the only one which use it at the moment and this rather by accident .. i also fixed it by rebuilding it into my user ;) so there is no hurry .. i am not even sure if i have an account for the bugtracker 
2022-01-16 14:01:49	Foxboron	21
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2022-01-16 14:31:35	teraflops	which packages got updated?
2022-01-16 14:32:58	moldorcoder7_	i have no idea , i did pacman -Syu
2022-01-16 14:33:13	thrice	if only pacman logged updates
2022-01-16 14:33:48	teraflops	yeah because "yesterday's update" is too vague
2022-01-16 14:34:07	moldorcoder7_	kernel was for sure
2022-01-16 14:34:12	moldorcoder7_	lts one 
2022-01-16 14:34:31	teraflops	did you reboot after the kernel upgrade?
2022-01-16 14:34:37	moldorcoder7_	yes
2022-01-16 14:34:38	teraflops	!kernelcheck
2022-01-16 14:34:39	phrik	compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2022-01-16 14:34:43	teraflops	ok ;)
2022-01-16 14:35:18	moldorcoder7_	i need to reboot now as i cant use docker at all :( will disable apparmor and opensnitchd to see if issue comes from there
2022-01-16 14:37:34	teraflops	well, that crashed bably
2022-01-16 14:37:44	teraflops	badly
2022-01-16 14:39:40	arcturus	fwiw docker is working for me
2022-01-16 14:40:06	arcturus	5.15.14-1-lts
2022-01-16 14:41:12	thrice	btw, you CAN view the last transaction in /var/log/pacman.log - maybe something in there sticks out?
2022-01-16 14:42:58	teraflops	moldorcoder7_: the message can be a lot of things e.g system swapping badly
2022-01-16 14:43:33	moldorcoder7_	teraflops, it works with app armor and opensnitch disabled, maybe the later is causing the issue 
2022-01-16 14:44:15	teraflops	it maight be as well lot of I/O and system couldn't handle it
2022-01-16 14:44:24	teraflops	at least take a look at that
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2022-01-16 15:03:57	alad	thrice: is that how you're trying to convince your boss to pay you more :O
2022-01-16 15:03:59	thrice	I was being sarcastic, but I'm not going to engage in your craziness, I learned my lesson last night :)
2022-01-16 15:04:13	gh555222-Vim	thank you
2022-01-16 15:04:14	alad	NetSysFire: why would I have 10k lines of bash
2022-01-16 15:04:33	NetSysFire	thrice: damn now i have to read the backlog
2022-01-16 15:04:34	alad	are you saying I rewrote pacman in bash
2022-01-16 15:04:39	NetSysFire	yes
2022-01-16 15:04:45	alad	that's madness
2022-01-16 15:04:47	NetSysFire	you are crazy enough for that
2022-01-16 15:04:50	alad	!glare
2022-01-16 15:04:51	Earnestly	> makepkg
2022-01-16 15:04:52	phrik	ಠ_ಠ
2022-01-16 15:05:16	alad	NetSysFire: I try to use bash as a command language using like, existing commands, instead of using it as pseudo-perl
2022-01-16 15:05:20	Earnestly	https://0x0.st/o-lc.txt
2022-01-16 15:06:13	gh555222-Vim	alad: I do use bash in the same way
2022-01-16 15:06:21	NetSysFire	alad: rate my bash code action="${1##*|}"; echo -en "${action/${1%%|*}/\\e[1;4;31m${1%%|*}\\e[0m}"
2022-01-16 15:06:22	Earnestly	I should rewrite bits of this, to see why it seems so large
2022-01-16 15:06:37	gh555222-Vim	shell shock?
2022-01-16 15:06:56	alad	NetSysFire: I don't like the echo -en but it's pretty innocuous
2022-01-16 15:07:05	NetSysFire	how would you do it instead
2022-01-16 15:07:12	alad	printf
2022-01-16 15:08:27	alad	moldorcoder7_: I'm curious on how many aur packages you have?
2022-01-16 15:08:41	Foxboron	Earnestly: There are quite a few abstractions written for extensibility. But makepkg isn't great code by any means :p
2022-01-16 15:08:56	alad	makepkg is old
2022-01-16 15:08:59	Foxboron	Indeed
2022-01-16 15:09:06	alad	aurutils is also old, at this point
2022-01-16 15:09:18	Earnestly	I have a surface level understanding of it but I only tend to see through it when writing experiments
2022-01-16 15:10:01	alad	maybe if makepkg was more like pacutils it would be easier to understand, at least on a conceptual level
2022-01-16 15:10:24	moldorcoder7_	alad, 631 apparently
2022-01-16 15:10:37	NetSysFire	ouch
2022-01-16 15:10:39	thrice	dang
2022-01-16 15:10:45	NetSysFire	meanwhile i have like 10
2022-01-16 15:10:53	alad	moldorcoder7_: nice
2022-01-16 15:10:58	thrice	pacman -Q | wc -l
2022-01-16 15:11:00	thrice	610
2022-01-16 15:11:01	alad	I had something like 800 when I started writing aurutils
2022-01-16 15:11:19	NetSysFire	you are supposed to do -Qm, not -Q
2022-01-16 15:11:24	NetSysFire	-Qm shows everything foreign
2022-01-16 15:11:26	Earnestly	alad: What sort of package took up that quantity?
2022-01-16 15:11:30	moldorcoder7_	i think it is pacman -Qm ot get those that are only local no ?
2022-01-16 15:11:30	alad	moldorcoder7_: for 600 packages the yay approach of prompting y/N for each PKGBUILD is pretty poor
2022-01-16 15:11:44	thrice	NetSysFire: actually no, my point was he has more AUR than I have combined
2022-01-16 15:11:45	alad	at least its RiiR offshoot, paru which supports vifm
2022-01-16 15:11:46	Earnestly	NetSysFire: I think their point was that they have fewer packages in total from all sources, let alone from the aur
2022-01-16 15:11:52	NetSysFire	oh
2022-01-16 15:11:54	NetSysFire	nvm then
2022-01-16 15:11:54	alad	Earnestly: stuff like ROS
2022-01-16 15:11:59	alad	funnily enough I never ended actually using it
2022-01-16 15:12:05	Earnestly	But yeah, I was going to ask that
2022-01-16 15:12:05	alad	oh, and plasma
2022-01-16 15:12:10	alad	from -git
2022-01-16 15:12:14	moldorcoder7_	i have thos install since 3 laptop :)
2022-01-16 15:12:23	moldorcoder7_	and i keep a laptop on average 3 years :)
2022-01-16 15:12:33	moldorcoder7_	may be a cleanup is necessary yeah
2022-01-16 15:12:53	alad	from the 800 in my local repo I eventually had like 50 installed
2022-01-16 15:14:06	moldorcoder7_	but just the python2-xxx and python-xxx pulled as deps represent a big chunk of those
2022-01-16 15:14:47	NetSysFire	ew python2
2022-01-16 15:18:38	alad	moldorcoder7_: also imagine a pacman upgrade and you lose your local db. bye bye 800 AUR packages :-D
2022-01-16 15:19:44	alad	s/upgrade/broken upgrade/
2022-01-16 15:20:04	moldorcoder7_	alad, never happened in 10+ years of arch tbh
2022-01-16 15:20:24	moldorcoder7_	but one never now
2022-01-16 15:20:36	alad	you never had your power interrupted in the middle of an upgrade? :O
2022-01-16 15:20:48	alad	!alad3
2022-01-16 15:20:50	phrik	https://xkcd.com/1586/
2022-01-16 15:20:51	moldorcoder7_	i have a battery :)
2022-01-16 15:20:57	alad	:OOO
2022-01-16 15:21:22	alad	anyway, it's funny how yaourt was the only who actually figured this kind of stuff should be backed up
2022-01-16 15:21:38	moldorcoder7_	what i had is /lib64  symlink that was not created once
2022-01-16 15:21:57	moldorcoder7_	and had to use sysrescuecd to figure out why init is panicking
2022-01-16 15:22:05	alad	nice
2022-01-16 15:22:59	moldorcoder7_	besides that and the biannual X doesnt start issue that you face on most distro, it has been pretty stable so fa
2022-01-16 15:23:33	alad	once I overwrote 10% of my partition by using resize2fs wrongly
2022-01-16 15:23:45	alad	I somehow recovered it but everything segfaulted, and kernel panic after 10s of usage
2022-01-16 15:23:58	alad	good times
2022-01-16 15:24:19	moldorcoder7_	yeah i have a weekly full backup for years also and this force me to family time :)
2022-01-16 15:24:57	alad	reminds me I should probably backup my local repo with C++ stuff, rebuilding that takes ages
2022-01-16 15:25:24	dTal	hi guys. I'm having some trouble updating an Arch install that hasn't been touched in a year or two. It's the old "required key missing from keyring" deal, but nothing I tried so far seems to help.
2022-01-16 15:25:49	Scimmia	dTal: update archlinux-keyring first
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2022-01-16 15:25:51	evilop	dTal: -Sy archlinux-keytring; -Syi
2022-01-16 15:25:55	evilop	u*
2022-01-16 15:25:56	dTal	In particular, I tried everything decribed here: https://gist.github.com/puncoz/6608c891810355f6336917c93ff40012
2022-01-16 15:26:01	dTal	Yes I tried that
2022-01-16 15:26:09	evilop	consider a fresh install though
2022-01-16 15:26:19	Scimmia	dTal: then give us the exact error
2022-01-16 15:26:27	alad	evilop: after 2 years really
2022-01-16 15:26:29	dTal	same error
2022-01-16 15:26:41	alad	phrik: give dTal paste
2022-01-16 15:26:43	phrik	dTal: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-01-16 15:26:53	dTal	key [blah] could not be looked up remotely, required key missing from keyring
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2022-01-16 15:27:18	Scimmia	I said *exact*. And that's only part of it
2022-01-16 15:27:24	dTal	it's a bit difficult to paste as I'm doing this from a VT
2022-01-16 15:27:27	Scimmia	!give dTal pacmanpaste
2022-01-16 15:27:27	phrik	dTal: No idea
2022-01-16 15:27:34	alad	phrik: give dTal ix
2022-01-16 15:27:35	phrik	dTal: <command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-01-16 15:27:39	Scimmia	!give dTal pastepacman
2022-01-16 15:27:39	phrik	dTal: LC_ALL=C pacman --debug <your pacman options> |& tee >(curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io)
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2022-01-16 15:29:29	dTal	that command gives "bash: tee/dev/fd/63: No such file or directory"
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2022-01-16 15:29:55	dTal	but honestly, I've typed basically the whole error
2022-01-16 15:30:24	dTal	except for the actual key in question
2022-01-16 15:30:28	Scimmia	!bail
2022-01-16 15:30:28	phrik	Looks like Scimmia is bailing out on this one - good luck!
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2022-01-16 15:34:21	dTal	sigh, I'd use termbin but netcat isn't even installed on this machine
2022-01-16 15:34:40	evilop	!rs
2022-01-16 15:34:41	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2022-01-16 15:34:42	alad	remove that tee >( ) stuff
2022-01-16 15:34:46	evilop	termbin is pretty bad
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2022-01-16 15:35:24	evilop	tmux copy/paste mode is handy for interactive stuff
2022-01-16 15:35:38	dTal	https://paste.rs/xSU
2022-01-16 15:35:43	dTal	yeah I'm in a screen session
2022-01-16 15:35:55	dTal	very lucky screen was installed
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2022-01-16 15:36:45	dTal	to reiterate - I've tried everything in this gist: https://gist.github.com/puncoz/6608c891810355f6336917c93ff40012
2022-01-16 15:37:21	evilop	lsign doesn't import it
2022-01-16 15:37:50	evilop	will have to grab it from a functional key server, or pacstrap
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2022-01-16 15:38:12	rcf	Imagine being able to find a functional key server 
2022-01-16 15:38:40	alad	use that WKD stuff
2022-01-16 15:38:55	⚡ 	evilop votes for a fresh install
2022-01-16 15:38:59	alad	bah!
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2022-01-16 15:40:59	jmcantrell	I’m trying to install on an apple machine. I get the uefi install medium menu but after selecting the first option, it just hangs. What’s going on? I’ve installed to this machine before. Has something changed with archiso that might cause this? I’m using the January 2022 version.
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2022-01-16 15:41:29	evilop	try the december one, january image have some issues on certain setups
2022-01-16 15:41:42	evilop	or give archboot a spin
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2022-01-16 15:42:22	dTal	okay changing the keyserver to the ubuntu one as described here seems to have done the trick https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Cannot_import_keys
2022-01-16 15:42:24	phrik	Title: pacman/Package signing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-01-16 15:42:38	dTal	should I leave it, or change it back?
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2022-01-16 15:43:02	dTal	the old one was pool.sks-keyservers.net
2022-01-16 15:43:10	cyphertite	jmcantrell:  didn't you succeed on a previous install on your Mac?
2022-01-16 15:43:11	NetSysFire	leave it
2022-01-16 15:43:29	NetSysFire	dTal: the sks one is dead and will not resurrect
2022-01-16 15:43:35	evilop	dTal: why would you want to change it back to a non-functional keyserver?
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2022-01-16 15:44:34	jmcantrell	cyphertite: yes, I’ve been able to install a fully functioning system on this hardware
2022-01-16 15:44:38	dTal	evilop: because I didn't understand the nature of the error, or that the keyserver was down, since there was no error message to the effect of "keyserver could not be reached"
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2022-01-16 15:45:24	dTal	I'm not really an expert on how keyservers work, it was possible it was simply some sort of cyclic dependency issue
2022-01-16 15:45:32	jmcantrell	@evilop how is archboot different from archiso?
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2022-01-16 15:46:20	cyphertite	jmcantrell:  and, other than just updating your prior installation; what is your point/problem?
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2022-01-16 15:46:39	evilop	jmcantrell: yes
2022-01-16 15:47:10	Foxboron	jmcantrell: the efivar package had issues on certain setups. Try december else you might need to wait for next months image unless you build it yourself
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2022-01-16 15:47:49	jmcantrell	Foxboron: ok. Thanks
2022-01-16 15:48:29	evilop	jmcantrell: its an alternative image/installer creating framework and they also release install images from time to time
2022-01-16 15:49:04	Foxboron	It litterally has the arch installer from 2008...
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2022-01-16 15:51:49	jmcantrell	I don’t understand what the point of archboot is. What’s wrong with archiso?
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2022-01-16 15:52:20	NetSysFire	its an enhancement so you can have fast, customizable deployments
2022-01-16 15:52:30	jelle	it's just someone's pet project jmcantrell :)
2022-01-16 15:52:30	alad	jmcantrell: have you ever used it?
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2022-01-16 15:52:49	alad	it's an interactive way of installation with different preset options etc
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2022-01-16 15:53:50	gh555222-Vim	you can always write stuff at that level in assembly
2022-01-16 15:53:52	jmcantrell	I haven’t, but everything that’s been mentioned so far seems like it would be possible with archiso?
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2022-01-16 15:54:37	alad	if you make an archiso with the same scripts as archboot...
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2022-01-16 15:56:04	alad	funny how nowadays the archboot iso is half the size of the archiso one
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2022-01-16 15:58:12	jmcantrell	alad: Why is that?
2022-01-16 15:58:45	alad	I'm not sure, I just observed it
2022-01-16 15:58:49	alad	linux-firmware always takes up a big chunk
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2022-01-16 16:01:06	jmcantrell	where can i find magnet links for previous archiso builds?
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2022-01-16 16:02:00	alad	https://archlinux.org/releng/releases/
2022-01-16 16:02:03	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Releases (at archlinux.org)
2022-01-16 16:02:39	jmcantrell	ah, beat me to it. thanks :)
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2022-01-16 16:04:00	Foxboron	alad: It's beause tobias made his own firmware package for archboot btw
2022-01-16 16:04:08	Foxboron	because*
2022-01-16 16:04:23	alad	Ah
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2022-01-16 16:05:09	Foxboron	alad: As in other words: ofc things are small if you go through all the hoops of just doing your own thing :p
2022-01-16 16:05:34	alad	didn't he propose something to make the actual linux-firmware smaller too
2022-01-16 16:06:21	Foxboron	alad: Well, not really. Namarrgon did all the work.
2022-01-16 16:06:27	alad	:O
2022-01-16 16:06:31	thrice	we've come full circle
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2022-01-16 16:07:02	Foxboron	alad: then he custom patched mkinitcpio on user installs for archboot to support compressed firmware
2022-01-16 16:07:08	Foxboron	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2022-01-16 16:07:41	Hello71	compressed firmware?
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2022-01-16 16:08:20	Foxboron	Yes. Smaller files with the cost of having the kernel decompress kernel modules during boot
2022-01-16 16:08:38	Foxboron	still fairly quick on modern hardware
2022-01-16 16:08:54	thrice	I knew compressed modules were a thing, but not compressed firmware
2022-01-16 16:09:07	Foxboron	... i meant modules
2022-01-16 16:09:24	Foxboron	linux-firmware -> me thinking firmware instead of modules
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2022-01-16 16:10:09	jelle	you can also compress firmware
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2022-01-16 16:10:56	alad	can you compress a jelle?
2022-01-16 16:11:12	jelle	kinda hard to compress jelly
2022-01-16 16:11:14	thrice	if you push hard enough
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2022-01-16 16:12:25	gh555222-Vim	if you convert the jelly into a gas
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2022-01-16 16:13:15	NetSysFire	if you compress a jelly hard enough, it becomes a jellybean
2022-01-16 16:13:47	alad	what if you compress a NetSysFir
2022-01-16 16:13:55	alad	do you get NetSysIKEA?
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2022-01-16 16:14:01	NetSysFire	!give alad glare
2022-01-16 16:14:02	phrik	alad: ಠ_ಠ
2022-01-16 16:14:03	alad	:D
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2022-01-16 16:14:24	Hello71	ah, compressed firmware is from Takashi Iwai of course
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2022-01-16 16:14:46	Hello71	for fat sof firmware
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2022-01-16 16:18:45	evilop	there was talk about compressed firmware well over a decade ago too, but then no one managed to agree on what compression to use
2022-01-16 16:19:11	evilop	zst taking over the world solved that
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2022-01-16 16:21:27	Foxboron	Who needs compression agility anyway
2022-01-16 16:21:39	jelle	Hello71: I wish sof firmware was the fattest
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2022-01-16 16:48:34	evilop	in communist linux there will only be one standard compression, zstd!
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2022-01-16 16:53:04	One39Dev	so guys
2022-01-16 16:53:27	One39Dev	about the disconnect in the wifi https://dpaste.org/D40s
2022-01-16 16:53:31	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o-lC.txt
2022-01-16 16:53:32	phrik	Title: dpaste/D40s (Plain Text) (at dpaste.org)
2022-01-16 16:55:42	One39Dev	interference with AC?
2022-01-16 16:55:42	One39Dev	how is ossible in one room
2022-01-16 16:56:47	evilop	rf doesn't stop at walls
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2022-01-16 17:00:15	One39Dev	I know
2022-01-16 17:00:36	One39Dev	it just AC should have smaller reach and less interference then bgn
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2022-01-16 17:01:36	ℹ 	kplant_ es conocido ahora como kplant
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2022-01-16 17:28:08	bloodfart69	I am getting warning insecure memory. I don't import any keys other than from Archlinux. I have no clue what is going on. How do I find the untrusted keys and make pacman accept them? Again, the keys I have imported are packages that are maintained by the en repo
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2022-01-16 17:32:56	wyre	hi guys, I've got an asciiart in html, do you think could I render in cli with colors? 
2022-01-16 17:34:47	evilop	png it and use a console png viewer
2022-01-16 17:35:08	wyre	evilop, console png viewer? 🤔
2022-01-16 17:35:17	evilop	otherwise convert the html codes into ansi escapes
2022-01-16 17:36:42	wyre	evilop, what console png viewer do you recommend me? 
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2022-01-16 17:37:05	teraflops	wyre: cli or tty?
2022-01-16 17:38:04	wyre	teraflops, cli for now, ... but couldn't be for both? 
2022-01-16 17:38:13	evilop	wiki has a list of applications
2022-01-16 17:38:17	teraflops	I'm just asking
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2022-01-16 17:39:48	wyre	evilop, you mean these? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications/Multimedia#Framebuffer_image_viewers
2022-01-16 17:39:49	phrik	Title: List of applications/Multimedia - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-01-16 17:41:13	teraflops	if it's html why don't you use w3m or something like that?
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2022-01-16 17:42:04	wyre	teraflops, is able w3m to print the colors from the html color codes? 
2022-01-16 17:42:11	wyre	apparently not 😞
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2022-01-16 17:49:13	evilop	you need to write some code
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2022-01-16 17:51:47	rcf	wyre: elinks supports doing this I think maybe
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2022-01-16 17:54:40	wyre	rcf, but ... could I extract the output in plain text with the codes? 
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2022-01-16 17:54:56	evilop	as said, would have to convert
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2022-01-16 17:55:51	evilop	there exists modules for many languages for converting #rrggbb to ansi colour codes, or you can use a terminal that does truecolor
2022-01-16 17:56:05	evilop	(still need to convert to the right ansi escape though)
2022-01-16 17:56:24	jmcantrell	on boot, i see a message that says "failed to start automatic boot loader update". what do i need to look at?
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2022-01-16 17:56:47	evilop	journalctl -b
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2022-01-16 17:59:37	mgnad78	"firefox --headless --screenshot <url>" << creates a screenshot.png in the current directory
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2022-01-16 18:00:02	mgnad78	sdump screenshot.png shows this png in a sixel enabled terminal
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2022-01-16 18:00:36	aaa__	wow, i didn't know that before
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2022-01-16 18:01:33	evilop	which is what I suggested earlier
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2022-01-16 18:04:38	mgnad78	here is an example .. https://i.imgur.com/nxhiJeu.png
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2022-01-16 18:06:49	jmcantrell	why would systemd-boot-update.service be enabled if i'm not using systemd-boot?
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2022-01-16 18:08:37	Earnestly	jmcantrell: It doesn't appear to be: > Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/systemd-boot-update.service; disabled; vendor preset: enabled)
2022-01-16 18:09:50	jmcantrell	weird. i wonder why it would have been enabled on my freshly installed system. it's nowhere in my install script
2022-01-16 18:10:24	evilop	see the vendor preset
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2022-01-16 18:29:39	ℹ 	isso_tm es conocido ahora como issotm
2022-01-16 18:29:58	Foxboron	demize: Well, the fact that you get different sets of services enabled and disabled depending on when you installed your system
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2022-01-16 18:31:24	jmcantrell	i just installed this system from the december archiso and the preset has "disable *", so why would it be enabled?
2022-01-16 18:31:35	demize	What would you actually want it to do though?  Somehow keep track of what policy decisions you've taken and then somehow apply any changes in presets?
2022-01-16 18:31:36	Earnestly	I like a lot of what systemd offers in terms of hardening, but I might just have to bail, because fundamentally I don't trust it
2022-01-16 18:32:01	Earnestly	demize: Isn't /etc supposed to be the ultimate override?
2022-01-16 18:32:35	demize	Yes, but if you tell it to apply a preset you're telling it to override whatever is currently set.
2022-01-16 18:32:43	Earnestly	> If no preset files exist, systemctl preset will enable all units that are installed by default
2022-01-16 18:32:44	demize	Which is why it only happens on first boot by default.
2022-01-16 18:32:46	Earnestly	Curious default
2022-01-16 18:33:29	Foxboron	demize: I'm not sure. I need to think more on it.
2022-01-16 18:33:48	Foxboron	I just mask all the services I don't care for anyway :p no big deal for me
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2022-01-16 18:34:03	jmcantrell	is it possible to use arch without systemd?
2022-01-16 18:34:29	Earnestly	Not really
2022-01-16 18:34:41	Earnestly	You can create a frankenarch but then it's not really arch anymore
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2022-01-16 18:34:58	jmcantrell	ok
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2022-01-16 18:35:27	Foxboron	You are better off using a distro that doesn't use systemd if that is the goal
2022-01-16 18:35:48	Foxboron	(and do avoid any distro which has it's primary marketing pitch as "f*ck systemd")
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2022-01-16 18:36:21	Earnestly	demize: If I'm reading this properly, to have disable * override 90-systemd.present, it'd have to be named 89-default.preset?
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2022-01-16 18:36:37	demize	Foxboron: Anyway, I think it's fundamentally unreasonable to expect to install two systems at different points in time and expecting them to be the same.  It would be a really strict limitation on what changes could ever occur in the distribution.
2022-01-16 18:36:58	demize	Earnestly: Yes.
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2022-01-16 18:37:20	demize	Or just 00- if you're making a local decision.
2022-01-16 18:37:29	Earnestly	demize: That's a sneaky bit of framing you've done there; changing systemd presets to "any difference at all"
2022-01-16 18:37:40	Foxboron	demize: Then I don't get the point of 99-default, frankly
2022-01-16 18:38:01	Earnestly	No one has suggested the two different installs from different times should result in the same result
2022-01-16 18:38:12	Foxboron	(I have, partially :p)
2022-01-16 18:38:13	demize	Earnestly: What he said wasn't specifically about systemd presets however.
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2022-01-16 18:38:33	demize	Foxboron: It makes it so that `systemctl preset-all` won't enable every service on the system.
2022-01-16 18:38:34	Earnestly	It was specifically about which services are enabled by default
2022-01-16 18:38:56	Earnestly	But this is upstream, and Arch should follow upstream, even if that means down a waterfall
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2022-01-16 18:39:37	demize	And those services could come from anywhere.
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2022-01-16 18:39:53	demize	Either statically enabled, enabled in an install scriplet, or as a preset.
2022-01-16 18:39:57	Earnestly	These presets come from systemd
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2022-01-16 18:40:05	demize	And changes to the base package would affect that.
2022-01-16 18:40:26	demize	This one does, yes.  What's your point?
2022-01-16 18:41:01	Earnestly	demize: That it's upstream; I'm not aware of any other packages which enable a service implicitly that wasn't a downstream choice by an Arch maintainer
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2022-01-17 18:36:59	thurstylark	engys: can you explain your symptoms a bit more? are they losing their IP addresses, or is the connection just flaky, or what?
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2022-01-17 18:37:53	thurstylark	dhcp isn't really a maintain-a-connection kind of protocol, so it's not clear what you mean
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2022-01-17 18:44:34	baltazar	hi! recently chromium started doing something weird with how it's drawing the window. I'm assuming it's drawing some shadow around it or whatever, but the actual window is bigger than what is visible
2022-01-17 18:45:08	baltazar	except the invisible border becomes visible if I turn off my compositor, and it's also included if I try to take a screenshot of that window, which is pretty annoying
2022-01-17 18:45:14	baltazar	do you know of a way to turn it off?
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2022-01-17 18:46:40	teraflops	it looks like your compositor and chromium do not work well together
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2022-01-17 18:48:55	baltazar	teraflops: with the compositor on, there's nothing visible
2022-01-17 18:49:06	baltazar	nothing out of the ordinary I mean
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2022-01-17 18:49:28	teraflops	which compositing manager is it?
2022-01-17 18:49:44	baltazar	plasma's kwin
2022-01-17 18:51:28	mitch0	baltazar: try Settings -> Appearance -> Use system title bar and borders
2022-01-17 18:51:43	jmcantrell	during an install, is it necessary to do `pacman-key --init`?
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2022-01-17 18:52:11	Namarrgon	no, it shouldn't unless you do something unorthodox
2022-01-17 18:52:49	Scimmia	jmcantrell: if you're booting the ISO, no. Otherwise, maybe
2022-01-17 18:53:00	teraflops	baltazar: also, do you have a chromium flags file at $HOME?
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2022-01-17 18:53:01	jmcantrell	ok. what kind of situations need that?
2022-01-17 18:53:15	Namarrgon	when you lost pacman's keyring for some reason
2022-01-17 18:53:30	MacGyver	Maybe turn it around, why do you ask?
2022-01-17 18:53:31	Scimmia	installing from an existing linux, for instance
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2022-01-17 18:54:05	baltazar	teraflops: nope
2022-01-17 18:54:24	MacGyver	"Any situation where you're installing arch and not booting the ISO" is probably a technically correct answer.
2022-01-17 18:54:33	MacGyver	But whether that covers your usecase...
2022-01-17 18:54:41	jmcantrell	ok
2022-01-17 18:54:58	Namarrgon	are you following some third-party guide?
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2022-01-17 18:55:21	teraflops	baltazar: if the above suggestion does not work give a try to the flags use-gl=desktop or use-gl=egl
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2022-01-17 18:56:35	jmcantrell	Namarrgon: I think that's where I picked it up, yeah
2022-01-17 18:56:55	engys	thurstylark: I created the dhcp server services via systemd. one vm doing fine while the other that serve more clients (35) make the clients to reconnect and losing internet at all
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2022-01-17 18:58:08	Namarrgon	jmcantrell: if it instructs you to do that unconditionally then you should probably ditch it before you acquire more bad habits
2022-01-17 18:58:25	jmcantrell	yeah, agreed
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2022-01-17 19:01:32	engys	thurstylark: both network segments have their own ethernet device that are connected to one bridged external network device
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2022-01-17 19:01:49	baltazar	mitch0: I guess that does solve the issue but also gives the window a titlebar, I'm not sure if I want that
2022-01-17 19:03:36	baltazar	teraflops: neither of those seem to help
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2022-01-17 19:07:13	thurstylark	engys: when a client gets into this failure state, can they still contact the gateway?
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2022-01-17 19:09:38	engys	thurstylark: yes they regrabbing the ip values but the connection is to some reason not working anymore
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2022-01-17 19:11:47	thurstylark	engys: can you post your server's .network file to a paste service?
2022-01-17 19:12:03	engys	sure
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2022-01-17 19:19:02	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-17 19:30:16	engys	!paste
2022-01-17 19:30:16	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-01-17 19:35:27	engys	thurstylark: https://bpa.st/RLCQ
2022-01-17 19:35:28	phrik	Title: View paste RLCQ (at bpa.st)
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2022-01-17 19:36:52	engys	thurstylark: VM1 works fine and VM2 make problems
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2022-01-17 19:42:01	thurstylark	engys: so, how do your clients contact the gateway?
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2022-01-17 19:43:04	engys	thurstylark: automatically
2022-01-17 19:43:09	thurstylark	wat
2022-01-17 19:43:13	thurstylark	describe the path
2022-01-17 19:43:32	thurstylark	through these VMs? another way?
2022-01-17 19:44:01	MacGyver	Hah.
2022-01-17 19:44:12	engys	they seeing in their subnet a dhcp server 10.0.0.2 and leasing an ip address
2022-01-17 19:44:15	teraflops	>automagically
2022-01-17 19:44:20	MacGyver	If only all network config was automatic.
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2022-01-17 19:45:20	thurstylark	yeah, I get that much. I'm asking about the gateway you've set at 192.168.0.254
2022-01-17 19:45:37	thurstylark	what path does a packet take from one of your clients to that address?
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2022-01-17 19:47:23	samgranieri	Hi. What's the best way to, using a netctl profle or otherwise, bring up an ip alias when the system boots? I'm having trouble with a netctl profile https://gist.github.com/samgranieri/b6bc94eeb6a3688da1894dae626f9923
2022-01-17 19:48:07	MacGyver	systemd-networkd.
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2022-01-17 19:49:56	engys	thurstylark: in the flanky working example a client lease 10.0.0.52 from 10.0.0.2 with dns 8.8.8.8 and send their package via masqueraded 192.168.0.10 to 192.168.0.254
2022-01-17 19:50:07	MacGyver	You can just have an [Address] section that labels the address you assign.
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2022-01-17 19:50:24	MacGyver	See man systemd.network, search for Label=
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2022-01-17 19:52:14	engys	thurstylark: meant flaky not flanky
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2022-01-17 19:53:13	thurstylark	engys: can you paste traceroute results from one of your clients to an outside address?
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2022-01-17 19:59:40	engys	thurstylark: the problem is that in the moment I have no system in the inner 10.0.0.0 network to create this traceroute
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2022-01-17 20:01:14	engys	thurstylark: I guess I was a little bit to optimistic about this setup
2022-01-17 20:01:16	uuidNuni1	ss -nutlpe
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2022-01-17 20:05:34	carbolymer	can I use git over https in PKGBUILD? I'm behind a corporate proxy which does not let me use git over anything other than https
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2022-01-17 20:05:52	carbolymer	so git:// fails
2022-01-17 20:05:56	engys	thurstylark: I watched yestersday youtube over this router without problems
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2022-01-17 20:06:30	thurstylark	engys: here's the thing I don't understand: your DHCP server doesn't seem to be defining a gateway, so idk how they know that they need to send their traffic to 10.0.0.2 when they need out of the network. 
2022-01-17 20:06:38	Warepire	carbolymer: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VCS_package_guidelines#VCS_sources
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2022-01-17 20:06:39	phrik	Title: VCS package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-17 20:06:42	Warepire	Some examples there
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2022-01-17 20:07:21	teraflops	carbolymer: e.g source=('magmatv::git+https://gitlab.com/MagmaTV/magmatv.git#branch=dev')
2022-01-17 20:07:23	phrik	Title: MagmaTV / magmatv · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2022-01-17 20:07:23	engys	thurstylark: maybe there is another dhcp server in this subnet that fight for these connection?
2022-01-17 20:07:24	carbolymer	Warepire: git+https, thanks, I remember this page existed, but I couldn't find it
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2022-01-17 20:07:34	carbolymer	teraflops: exactly! thx
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2022-01-17 20:07:48	thurstylark	engys: if that's the case you have much bigger problems
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2022-01-17 20:10:31	engys	thurstylark: yep, I guess I need to add a test system in 10.0.0.0 .. *stupid me*
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2022-01-17 20:10:54	thurstylark	yeah, without that, we're kind of left stabbing in the dark unproductively
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2022-01-17 20:15:04	thurstylark	also fwiw, those .netdev files aren't valid. Kind= is also required in your [NetDev] section
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2022-01-17 20:17:50	engys	thurstylark: I will add a test system in 10.0.0.0 tomorrow .. such a nice time to cruise through corona city
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2022-01-17 20:19:43	engys	thurstylark: I have Kind=bridge on the host system so what do you think I need to add in this guest situation?
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2022-01-17 20:22:38	engys	thurstylark: I am pretty sure I never have done this on a normal network device config till now but maybe that is simply wrong?
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2022-01-18 17:28:46	snoot	which tool are you guys using to make and restore backups in case a pacman -Syu goes wrong?
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2022-01-18 17:31:13	Earnestly	chazy: You might be confusing yourself by adding 'user' into this.  The su process inherits the environment from where it was called, unless you use --login in which case it'll use the user's login shell and whatever environment that comes with (/etc/profile).
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2022-01-18 17:32:06	Earnestly	chazy: (Besides what the manual says about HOME, SHELL, USER and LOGNAME)
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2022-01-18 17:32:33	chazy	Earnestly: you're right i wasn't aware of the difference between `su` and `su -` (the difference being the later switches to a login shell)
2022-01-18 17:32:55	Earnestly	chazy: The manual also has something to say about - and --login, and where they differ
2022-01-18 17:33:40	chazy	Earnestly: i'll take a look at the manual, thanks
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2022-01-18 17:45:05	jarshvor	anybody here use octoprint from the AUR? My pip inside that virtualenv complaining it doesnt have write permissions. The venv folder doesnt seem to be owned by octoprint and Im wondering if that makes sense, and how other user's have managed pip usage with octoprint.
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2022-01-18 18:00:18	Namarrgon	jarshvor: going by the pinned comment the goal is to not use a venv
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2022-01-18 18:01:56	lmat	How does rsync send files over ssh? SSH is a shell, no? Shells aren't able to accept file transfers?
2022-01-18 18:02:11	BrainDamage	it opens a pipe through a shell
2022-01-18 18:02:19	BrainDamage	err, through ssh
2022-01-18 18:02:34	BrainDamage	ssh is an encrypted pipe, which can attach to a shell ... or not
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2022-01-18 18:02:54	semiote	bytes go in, bytes go out.
2022-01-18 18:02:56	BrainDamage	and rsync connects to both endpoints and pipes data through stdbuf
2022-01-18 18:02:57	jarshvor	Namarrgon: yes.. that confuses me since it seems to be very much using a venv.
2022-01-18 18:03:05	lmat	BrainDamage: So rsync runs   cat > destfile; on the remote machine or something?
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2022-01-18 18:03:21	lmat	BrainDamage: Oh, or maybe rsync runs a server mode of rsync on the remote machine with which the client rsync communicates
2022-01-18 18:03:22	BrainDamage	it runs rsync on the remote machine
2022-01-18 18:03:26	jarshvor	I can even see so in /usr/lib/octoprint/pyvenv.cfg 
2022-01-18 18:03:26	lmat	BrainDamage: sweet
2022-01-18 18:03:40	BrainDamage	which is why you need rsync on both sides
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2022-01-18 18:03:56	BrainDamage	also, fwiw, sftp exists, so that file io is done by ssh itself
2022-01-18 18:03:57	lmat	BrainDamage: Yes, that sounds familiar. Thank you!
2022-01-18 18:04:06	BrainDamage	but it's not as smart as rsync
2022-01-18 18:04:14	Namarrgon	jarshvor: yeah, the more look at it the less sense it makes
2022-01-18 18:04:21	lmat	BrainDamage: aye!
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2022-01-18 18:05:15	jarshvor	Namarrgon: what are you looking at? something that should be discouraging me from using this package? It all seems to work pretty well. Except pip and thus plugins.
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2022-01-18 18:05:57	Namarrgon	jarshvor: no, i'm just not sure what the intention is with the aur PKGBUILD
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2022-01-18 18:07:56	jarshvor	Im not very versed in python virtual envs. Anybody know if it is customary for the venv folder to be owned by root or if it should be owned by the user account in charge of managing that process?
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2022-01-18 18:08:07	NoImNotNineVolt	the latter.
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2022-01-18 18:08:11	jarshvor	Im quite tempted to just recursively chown the venv (or at least its content)
2022-01-18 18:08:15	NoImNotNineVolt	nothing should be owned or executed by root.
2022-01-18 18:08:28	jarshvor	NoImNotNineVolt: in venvs right?
2022-01-18 18:08:53	Namarrgon	it's uncommon to package a venv, usually you'd create it per-user
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2022-01-18 18:09:13	NoImNotNineVolt	jarshvor: yup.
2022-01-18 18:10:00	jarshvor	Namarrgon: meaning just install that package for a specific user? what if I want more that one user on the machine to be able to have access though? (might not need to in anycase though)
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2022-01-18 18:10:45	jarshvor	NoImNotNineVolt: I thought it was wierd that /usr/lib/octoprint and everything bellow is owned by root, except just the /usr/lib/octoprint/lib dir. That and only that is owned by octoprint.
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2022-01-18 18:11:04	jarshvor	(the user octoprint)
2022-01-18 18:11:47	NoImNotNineVolt	okay, so, that might be different.
2022-01-18 18:12:24	NoImNotNineVolt	my fault for assuming a more typical developer-oriented virtualenv.
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2022-01-18 18:13:53	NoImNotNineVolt	it sounds now more like a packaging issue. how was ocotprint installed?
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2022-01-18 18:15:39	Warepire	jarshvor: #archlinuxarm
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2022-01-18 18:15:49	jarshvor	yeah... dislike usking comments for that but though I might get the packagers input on this.
2022-01-18 18:16:05	NoImNotNineVolt	not unreasonable.
2022-01-18 18:16:16	jarshvor	good to know. thanks
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2022-01-18 18:19:21	NoImNotNineVolt	i don't know. it's typical for everything under /usr/lib to be owned by root:root, and there's nothing inherently problematic about a root-owned virtualenv...
2022-01-18 18:20:10	NoImNotNineVolt	with the right permissions, other users should still be execute things in the virtualenv (but not modify it).
2022-01-18 18:20:10	jarshvor	but if the user (octoprint in this case) using that env wants to write/update something then it cant cause root owns it?
2022-01-18 18:20:16	NoImNotNineVolt	yes.
2022-01-18 18:20:45	NoImNotNineVolt	ideally octoprint would write to its own octoprint-owned directory outside of /usr/lib.
2022-01-18 18:20:46	jarshvor	so then there is something I am missing?
2022-01-18 18:20:51	jarshvor	mmmm
2022-01-18 18:20:53	jarshvor	I see
2022-01-18 18:21:00	NoImNotNineVolt	i'm not familiar with octoprint specifically, sorry.
2022-01-18 18:21:16	jarshvor	there is /var/lib/octoprint/.octoprint
2022-01-18 18:21:32	jarshvor	and octoprint can write files to that (timelapses config files etc)
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2022-01-18 18:21:47	NoImNotNineVolt	i have zero experience packaging for arch, though.
2022-01-18 18:22:06	jarshvor	but... yeah... plugins I think are different, and go with pip under site-packages
2022-01-18 18:22:26	jarshvor	thanks nonetheless NoImNotNineVolt. I appreciate it.
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2022-01-18 18:22:42	NoImNotNineVolt	good luck getting in touch with the maintainer.
2022-01-18 18:22:53	jarshvor	I probably should not do a recursive chown to everything under /usr/lib/octoprint then right?
2022-01-18 18:23:03	NoImNotNineVolt	i guess if octoprint uses pip to install plugins...
2022-01-18 18:23:09	NoImNotNineVolt	then it'll need to write to /usr/lib to do that.
2022-01-18 18:23:42	evilop	sounds like it should just be stuffed in home instead
2022-01-18 18:23:48	jarshvor	yeah.. that's what its complaining about.
2022-01-18 18:23:48	evilop	in that case
2022-01-18 18:24:00	jarshvor	in who's home evilop?
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2022-01-18 18:24:06	evilop	the user using it
2022-01-18 18:24:10	NoImNotNineVolt	in its own home.
2022-01-18 18:24:17	NoImNotNineVolt	/home/octoprint :P
2022-01-18 18:24:19	jarshvor	yeah.. that makes sense
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2022-01-18 18:24:24	NoImNotNineVolt	give it its own user, etc.
2022-01-18 18:24:42	evilop	if its written in python, stuff it in a venv?
2022-01-18 18:24:48	jarshvor	Ill see what I can find out from the maintainer. Looks like the packaging etc might still be a wip
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2022-01-18 18:25:09	jarshvor	evilop: it seems to already be in a venv. under /usr/lib/octoprint
2022-01-18 18:25:25	evilop	or some container
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2022-01-18 18:25:45	evilop	seems like they do provide docker images
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2022-01-18 18:31:25	NoImNotNineVolt	maybe boot up one of their images in a vm and see how it's installed when the devs have full control :P
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2022-01-18 18:33:18	jarshvor	evilop: NoImNotNineVolt let me check that.. you mean octoprint provides docker images?
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2022-01-18 18:34:57	jarshvor	Im not really familiar with docker. What os does the docker image run on?
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2022-01-18 18:35:30	evilop	!aw podman
2022-01-18 18:35:31	phrik	evilop: Podman - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Podman
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2022-01-18 18:36:15	teraflops	podman has less features than docker afaik
2022-01-18 18:36:24	evilop	not really
2022-01-18 18:37:12	jarshvor	thanks evilop will check it out. What I mean is even if the docker envirenemnt is quite different from the structure in arch I guess it wont be that different and I will indeed be able to see how everything is more or less structured.
2022-01-18 18:37:59	evilop	its usually stuffed in the root level in images
2022-01-18 18:38:14	evilop	but under the top level dir it should mostly be the same
2022-01-18 18:38:20	teraflops	there's also podman-docker which is ... funny
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2022-01-18 18:38:37	evilop	teraflops: its 90% a dropin replacement
2022-01-18 18:38:44	teraflops	indeed
2022-01-18 18:39:13	evilop	there isn't any *good* direct replacement for docker-compose but then again docker-compose is a mess on docker too
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2022-01-18 18:44:45	jelle	podman-compose worked for my use case, but it's probably better to use kube.yml files :)
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2022-01-18 18:48:03	edd_lc	evilop, podman doesn't support overlay mounts. which, in my case, was a requirement and made me drop it for docker. i liked how podman used user namespaces by default but docker had it, too, just not by default.
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2022-01-18 18:50:55	evilop	edd_lc: it supports rootles overlays now
2022-01-18 18:51:10	evilop	has always supported it for non-rootless containers
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2022-01-18 18:52:29	evilop	if you are talking about native overlayfs
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2022-01-18 18:56:57	Foxboron	fuse-overlayfs or the native overlayfs which doesn't require root anymore
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2022-01-18 18:59:21	edd_lc	evilop, fair. they did add it a few months ago
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2022-01-19 17:25:41	evilop	and if you are worried about malware/ransomware/similar, backups
2022-01-19 17:25:46	evilop	offline backups even
2022-01-19 17:25:48	BrainDamage	best you could do is log fs access
2022-01-19 17:25:57	BrainDamage	but prepare for a giant log
2022-01-19 17:26:12	jelle	chazy: well check the system monitor then for windows :P
2022-01-19 17:26:36	chazy	yeah, lets ask windows what it's doing, it'll be 100% honest
2022-01-19 17:27:22	BrainDamage	why do you even run it, if you don't trust it
2022-01-19 17:27:51	jelle	chazy: with this kind of behaviour we can't help you :)
2022-01-19 17:27:52	chazy	because of some games that don't run without kernel-level access
2022-01-19 17:27:57	jelle	s/behaviour/attitude/
2022-01-19 17:28:09	Mathisen	chazy, name the game
2022-01-19 17:28:28	chazy	for example genshin impact
2022-01-19 17:28:31	evilop	windows won't randomly search for shares on the network, connect to them and write files to them
2022-01-19 17:28:42	chazy	there's a patch but since it's online i don't want to risk being banned
2022-01-19 17:29:15	evilop	and if you are paranoid about games, run them in a locked down vm
2022-01-19 17:29:19	Mathisen	yeah lutris can run genshin impact
2022-01-19 17:29:35	jelle	Mathisen: some games require a kernel module now for anti-cheat see apex
2022-01-19 17:29:46	chazy	Mathisen: but it tampers with some files? or did that change with 2.x?
2022-01-19 17:29:46	jelle	or have like non-working linux anti cheat :p
2022-01-19 17:30:02	et09	archlinux.ca is domain parked?
2022-01-19 17:30:02	jelle	chazy: anyway how do you access your network storage :P
2022-01-19 17:30:21	jelle	et09: it was never under the Arch project control
2022-01-19 17:30:39	et09	how much are they quoting for it lol
2022-01-19 17:30:46	Mathisen	chazy, no idea, i dont play it myself
2022-01-19 17:31:03	⚡ 	et09 starts his own archlinux, with maple syrup, and hockey 
2022-01-19 17:31:09	chazy	jelle: i don't have anything installed yet, only a rack with a jbod case ready to put some disks in, i have to install arch and whatever network storage software
2022-01-19 17:31:21	jelle	chazy: and do you want to access it from windows?
2022-01-19 17:31:22	chazy	i'm just being paranoid
2022-01-19 17:31:47	jelle	then just put credentials on the share and don't connect from windows :)
2022-01-19 17:31:56	jelle	or use a fancy VLAN
2022-01-19 17:32:55	chazy	i could just FDE the 18tb drive so windows doesn't see it, but i want to have at least one of them for games and public stuff like multimedia storage
2022-01-19 17:33:16	chazy	but i just don't trust windows having direct access
2022-01-19 17:33:28	umaxtu-	create separate shares with different permissions then
2022-01-19 17:33:44	chazy	it pains me when i'm afk yet windows is doing god's work with my stuff
2022-01-19 17:33:53	chazy	i hate it
2022-01-19 17:34:30	jelle	chazy: then debug that issue...
2022-01-19 17:34:34	chazy	so i'm thinking about moving the 18tb to the jbod
2022-01-19 17:34:45	Mathisen	nothing wrong with windows realy. and just a side not and not for this channel but windows would not just start doing stuff that is bad atlest. anyway join #windows if you need help with your "strange" windows issues
2022-01-19 17:36:20	chazy	to keep it simple i can just create a user in the server for windows access and have like symlinks to the mountpoint where the drive is mounted
2022-01-19 17:36:33	chazy	and then have a trusted user with symlinks to the mount point for my other drives
2022-01-19 17:37:49	Khorne	Windows does 'disk optimization' in the background..
2022-01-19 17:38:04	Mathisen	you mean trim ?
2022-01-19 17:38:19	Mathisen	that is normal
2022-01-19 17:38:31	umaxtu	theres also indexing
2022-01-19 17:38:40	Khorne	Yes, that and defragmentation essentially
2022-01-19 17:38:45	chazy	i know it can be some legit process, but are you sure about all the other telemetry stuff collecting everything?
2022-01-19 17:38:47	Khorne	Also prefetching depending on whats on the disk
2022-01-19 17:39:01	Khorne	Who can be sure.. but I wouldn't be concerned..
2022-01-19 17:40:04	BrainDamage	in a slightly more cursed question, I'm trying to run x86 arch as guest in qemu user mode under aarch64 arm using binfmt and  systemd-nspawn ...
2022-01-19 17:40:32	BrainDamage	programs run ok, except for networkd who fails with a generic Could not create manager: Protocol not supported
2022-01-19 17:41:00	BrainDamage	if I try the reverse, aarch64 guest and x64 host, it works
2022-01-19 17:41:21	BrainDamage	any idea how can I debug this further?
2022-01-19 17:42:04	Khorne	y'all need jesus
2022-01-19 17:42:54	BrainDamage	I promise I won't accidentally summon chtulu this time
2022-01-19 17:44:18	chazy	isn't that the ugly mf from warcraft?
2022-01-19 17:44:34	et09	where does one get a 18tb drive
2022-01-19 17:44:43	et09	i want one 
2022-01-19 17:44:48	chazy	et09: amazon
2022-01-19 17:44:50	evilop	et09: pretty much any electronic store out there
2022-01-19 17:44:51	chazy	i got 10
2022-01-19 17:44:52	jonathon	BrainDamage: something about qemu-user-static 🤔
2022-01-19 17:45:14	umaxtu	a raid of smaller drives is probably the better bet though
2022-01-19 17:45:23	Earnestly	et09: skinflint.co.uk (or whatever your region, they're listed on the page)
2022-01-19 17:45:26	BrainDamage	jonathon: that's what I am using, combined with binfmt to read the elf headers and auto-run qemu
2022-01-19 17:45:27	evilop	https://geizhals.eu/?fs=18tb+hdd
2022-01-19 17:45:29	phrik	Title: 18tb hdd geizhals.eu EU (at geizhals.eu)
2022-01-19 17:45:30	et09	im not clicking that
2022-01-19 17:45:38	Earnestly	et09: geizhals is skinflint
2022-01-19 17:45:45	evilop	not even that expensive
2022-01-19 17:45:46	chazy	lol
2022-01-19 17:46:05	Earnestly	Can filter more specifically than crappy search
2022-01-19 17:46:14	jelle	hmm maybe I should have gone for 18TB raid 1 instead of 4TB
2022-01-19 17:46:15	evilop	throw on a &sort=p
2022-01-19 17:46:42	Mathisen	i would prefer raid instead of 1 drive myself. at home i currently even use raid5 and have 16tb on my nas
2022-01-19 17:46:58	Mathisen	why rely on 1 disk fail when you can atleast be kinda safe
2022-01-19 17:47:03	et09	i just have named drives and manual backups 
2022-01-19 17:47:06	et09	it's an awful system
2022-01-19 17:47:27	jelle	Mathisen: for that you need the space
2022-01-19 17:47:32	et09	part of the appeal of a huge drive is simplifying that backup 
2022-01-19 17:47:47	Mathisen	jelle, true but one disk can fail for me now without issues :)
2022-01-19 17:47:48	Earnestly	CAS
2022-01-19 17:47:52	angerctl	my largest disk is 3TB and i'm already scared running it without redundancy
2022-01-19 17:48:04	jelle	Mathisen: yes...
2022-01-19 17:48:08	renard	Hello! I'm having an issue with Sway and external displays on a Ryzen laptop - the displa crashes, with a "Atomic commit failed: permission denied" error. Any idea what could be the cause?
2022-01-19 17:48:42	angerctl	renard: is this a new issue?
2022-01-19 17:48:57	et09	sounds like video driver 
2022-01-19 17:49:08	et09	try #sway 
2022-01-19 17:50:50	sunyibo	how do I make archlinux systemd load dm_crypt at boot?
2022-01-19 17:50:56	Mathisen	renard, also if this is first time you try sway keep in mind sway + nvidia = no proprietary drivers
2022-01-19 17:51:08	angerctl	sunyibo: what's the goal?
2022-01-19 17:52:01	sunyibo	I want to encrypt a secondary data hard drive
2022-01-19 17:52:14	renard	amd igpu
2022-01-19 17:52:34	angerctl	sunyibo: the modules should be loaded automatically when needed. does this not happen in your case?
2022-01-19 17:54:49	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/QHSA
2022-01-19 17:54:49	phrik	Title: View paste QHSA (at bpa.st)
2022-01-19 17:55:16	angerctl	sunyibo: uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2022-01-19 17:58:04	sunyibo	I rebooted the machine. Now it works. Thanks anyway!
2022-01-19 17:58:26	angerctl	the answer to the original question is "man modules-load.d"
2022-01-19 17:58:45	luigibu	hi! im using foxyProxy with my job projects.. but this browser extension can be remplaced with a client in my arch to affect all the traffic? as i wanna debug something with my IDE
2022-01-19 17:58:51	evilop	not that you need to explicitly load the module
2022-01-19 18:02:35	sunyibo	I was confused because that's what's at the beginning of https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Device_encryption#Preparation . But I ran an update and didn't reboot, so I figured that was the problem
2022-01-19 18:02:36	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Device encryption - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-19 18:04:26	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/T7DQ does luks eat up 36 GB?
2022-01-19 18:04:27	phrik	Title: View paste T7DQ (at bpa.st)
2022-01-19 18:07:14	angerctl	it eats up as much as you give it
2022-01-19 18:07:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-19 18:08:16	angerctl	for large encrypted volumes people often use LVM to split it up into smaller chunks
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2022-01-19 18:10:28	sunyibo	I was just wondering why a drive of 916 G with luks ext4 only has 870 G available...
2022-01-19 18:10:42	grawity	!calc 916 * 0.95
2022-01-19 18:10:42	phrik	grawity: 870.1999999999999
2022-01-19 18:10:50	grawity	yeah that's the 5% root-only reserve that ext4 has
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2022-01-19 18:10:59	evilop	+ generic fs overhead
2022-01-19 18:11:15	Hello72	i think Size is with inode table etc pre-subtracted
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2022-01-19 18:11:50	Betal	sunyibo: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Ext4#Reserved_blocks
2022-01-19 18:11:51	phrik	Title: Ext4 - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-01-19 18:12:11	grawity	for non-/ filesystems just set it to 0%
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2022-01-19 18:12:33	snoot	after a pacman -Syu my pipewire-jack and jack2 are in conflict although i never installed jack2 and when i did yesterdays pacman -Syu it didn't tell me that, should i remove jack2?
2022-01-19 18:12:50	jonathon	snoot: yes, unless you use jack2-dbus
2022-01-19 18:14:06	snoot	jonathon: gotcha
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2022-01-19 18:14:42	lckdscl	i saw that apparently wireplumber is a better alternative for pipewire-media-session, so i followed verbatim the instruction on wireplumber wiki to replace the systemd services and modify pipewire.conf but pipewire-pulse just craps itself instead
2022-01-19 18:15:03	lckdscl	i switched back to pipewire-media-session and it works again
2022-01-19 18:15:45	lckdscl	issue is that pw-record --list-targets is empty on wireplumber
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2022-01-19 18:17:35	sunyibo	thanks, y'all!
2022-01-19 18:18:15	jonathon	lckdscl: wireplumber does seem to have some issues at the moment; device routing and bluetooth seem to be much less reliable than a few releases ago
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2022-01-19 19:09:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-01-19 19:09:12	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1427 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1426 normals)
2022-01-19 19:09:12	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-19 19:17:22	sunyibo	is 'ncdu -o' a way to speed up repeated refreshs of ncdu?
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2022-01-19 19:18:00	ℹ 	daniel3 es conocido ahora como daniel2
2022-01-19 19:18:57	ℹ 	toketin_ es conocido ahora como toketin
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2022-01-19 19:21:31	Earnestly	ncdu2 is the way to speed up ncdu
2022-01-19 19:22:08	Earnestly	sunyibo: https://dev.yorhel.nl/doc/ncdu2
2022-01-19 19:22:09	phrik	Title: Ncdu 2: Less hungry and more Ziggy (at dev.yorhel.nl)
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2022-01-19 19:25:06	The-Compiler	Earnestly, sunyibo: I kinda like https://github.com/Dundee/gdu
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2022-01-19 19:25:32	Earnestly	The-Compiler: Keep in mind that this ncdu2 is by the same author of ncdu
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2022-01-19 19:26:12	Shivo	does anyone have problems when resuming from suspend after upgrading to kernel 5.16? On my system input devices are unresponsive for 10 s after waking from sleep...
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2022-01-19 19:27:48	teraflops	gdu is blazing fast
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2022-01-19 19:47:11	vd	does arch uses a custom /init or does it rely on systemd service units?
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2022-01-19 19:47:55	Earnestly	vd: It uses systemd
2022-01-19 19:47:59	angerctl	by default it's a custom init but you can use systemd, too
2022-01-19 19:48:14	angerctl	oh, wait, i was thinking about the initramfs, nvm
2022-01-19 19:48:22	grawity	the default initramfs /init from mkinitcpio is a busybox ash script, but systemd is available; the default rootfs /sbin/init is always systemd
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2022-01-19 19:48:50	ℹ 	angerctl es conocido ahora como Namarrgon
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2022-01-19 19:50:05	vd	the only thing that systemd needs in order to be in intrd mode (and thus reach initrd.target) is to have /init linked to the systemd binary as well as an /etc/initrd-release file, correct?
2022-01-19 19:50:40	grawity	I think so,
2022-01-19 19:50:57	grawity	but see build() in /usr/lib/initcpio/install/systemd for how Arch sets it up (if enabled)
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2022-01-19 19:51:18	grawity	no, apparently it has to explicitly link default.target to initrd.target
2022-01-19 19:51:31	grawity	initrd-release is more of a safeguard, IIRC
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2022-01-19 19:59:31	vd	I feel like having init scripts as systemd services attached to the initrd targets is better for logging, the context get passed to the final systemd and you can inspect what's going on
2022-01-19 20:04:02	vd	grawity: do you know if systemd is doing the initrd.target symlink on its own? Because when initrd= is used, it just works
2022-01-19 20:04:21	grawity	er, when initrd= is used with what?
2022-01-19 20:04:49	vd	kernel command line parameter
2022-01-19 20:05:06	grawity	okay but what's special about that initrd
2022-01-19 20:05:30	grawity	arch standard initramfs? arch initramfs but with systemd? dracut initramfs? a custom initramfs that you built by hand?
2022-01-19 20:05:38	vd	grawity: it simply contains a /init link to the systemd binary
2022-01-19 20:05:47	vd	a custom one
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2022-01-19 20:14:04	sunyibo	thanks
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2022-01-19 20:17:18	mewt	Hi, post upgrade to firefox 97, I get unusably garbled UI -- pages and even the URL bar/menus are totally unreadable and UI elements are misplaced, distorted, or missing
2022-01-19 20:18:13	Namarrgon	97 is out already?
2022-01-19 20:18:19	mewt	Not sure how to troubleshoot, since firefox doesn't like giving debug info -- the behavior persists in safe mode
2022-01-19 20:18:35	mewt	Mozilla Firefox 97.0b5, apparently
2022-01-19 20:18:43	mewt	(I'm using the developer edition pkg)
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2022-01-19 20:19:44	Namarrgon	have you found similar cases in their bugtracker?
2022-01-19 20:24:30	mewt	Let's see...
2022-01-19 20:24:30	andrewSC	mewt: when you run dev edition from the terminal do you see any errors/informative messages?
2022-01-19 20:24:30	Namarrgon	are you running it on X or wayland?
2022-01-19 20:24:30	andrewSC	^^ that too
2022-01-19 20:24:30	mewt	None whatsoever -- this is X
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2022-01-19 20:24:30	Namarrgon	can you post the xorg log, too?
2022-01-19 20:24:30	andrewSC	interesting
2022-01-19 20:24:30	mewt	Sure thing, hold up
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2022-01-19 20:24:30	mewt	Interesting, Xorg.0.log ends in "server terminated" ... even though I'm clearly here. Not sure if that should be ignored (as I'm definitely in X atm), but here: http://0x0.st/ooXb.log also looks like I've some font issues I need to sort out, but this goes so far beyond fonts I don't think it's my core problem right now
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2022-01-19 20:24:30	mewt	Let me screencap the behavior
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2022-01-19 20:24:30	Namarrgon	that log is three years old, look in ~/.local/share/xorg
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2022-01-19 20:24:38	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-19 20:24:48	mewt	...ah, sorry
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2022-01-19 20:27:07	mewt	http://0x0.st/ooXT.log ok, this should be right
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2022-01-19 20:28:18	Namarrgon	the regular "firefox" package is unaffected?
2022-01-19 20:28:28	mewt	Well, let's see..
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2022-01-19 20:29:17	mewt	well, that's on 96, which was fine on dev edition too 
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2022-01-19 20:30:37	Namarrgon	are you holding back kernel updates?
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2022-01-19 20:31:56	tatsumaru	hey guys, is there some open source flowchart software you recommend?
2022-01-19 20:32:09	mewt	Not AFAIK?
2022-01-19 20:32:35	andrewSC	tatsumaru: offtopic however https://app.diagrams.net/
2022-01-19 20:32:37	phrik	Title: Flowchart Maker & Online Diagram Software (at app.diagrams.net)
2022-01-19 20:32:51	Namarrgon	mewt: you have firefox 97b5 but your kernel is lagging behind
2022-01-19 20:33:02	Warepire	Doesn't LibreOffice Draw do those? tatsumaru 
2022-01-19 20:33:13	mewt	Interesting
2022-01-19 20:33:17	Warepire	If you like writing them by hand plantUML can also do them.
2022-01-19 20:33:22	mewt	Yeah, I just searched it and it looks like 5.16 is current...
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2022-01-19 20:33:29	Namarrgon	mewt: pacman -Q linux
2022-01-19 20:33:32	mewt	Let me go ahead and fix that
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2022-01-19 20:34:02	mewt	Ah nope, I guess I've upgraded since then...
2022-01-19 20:34:14	mewt	Huh
2022-01-19 20:34:28	Namarrgon	then reboot into the new kernel and see if you can still reproduce the issue
2022-01-19 20:34:30	mewt	Let me restart once more, I didn't notice that it had upgraded on this past round
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2022-01-19 20:38:01	mewt	Nope, behavior persists after reboot -- uname -r now gives: 5.16.1-arch1-1
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2022-01-20 17:49:33	Akulen	I've tested whether 1080p was available on windows, and verified that the driver was up to date, and now I have 1080p on linux, it's just not selected by default, thanks
2022-01-20 17:49:55	MacGyver	... how.
2022-01-20 17:58:51	daishun	pacman -Syu => error: required key missing from keyring => error: key "every key" could not be looked up remotely
2022-01-20 17:59:01	daishun	gpg --recv-keys C132293954BBE4AD => gpg: keyserver receive failed: Server indicated a failure
2022-01-20 17:59:05	bug2000	daishun, manually install the pacman-keyring package
2022-01-20 17:59:22	bug2000	I forgot it's name >.<
2022-01-20 17:59:27	jelle	archlinux-keyring senpai
2022-01-20 17:59:35	bug2000	Thank you :)
2022-01-20 18:00:04	bug2000	jelle, How do you remember the package name? It hardly ever happens that I need to manually update it.
2022-01-20 18:00:13	Akulen	Oh... I think I've found the issue... Before I was using a usb hub, so probably usb 2.0, but I had to move which port I was using when testing on windows, and moved it to a usb3 port... When I move it back to the previous one, I lose 1080p again...
2022-01-20 18:00:36	jelle	bug2000: I am jelle and know things
2022-01-20 18:00:57	bug2000	Earnestly, Thanks. Any comments about each of the DNS servers?
2022-01-20 18:01:04	Earnestly	none
2022-01-20 18:01:47	MacGyver	Akulen: USB2 isn't the issue, but the hub probably is.
2022-01-20 18:02:06	daishun	Installing archlinux-keyring works. Thanks. I don't know how it got uninstalled.
2022-01-20 18:02:16	MacGyver	I'm pretty sure I've had mine on a non-hubbed USB2 port.
2022-01-20 18:03:07	Akulen	right, tried my only usb2 port and I have 1080p as well...
2022-01-20 18:03:58	MacGyver	The hub might be causing it to drop to 1.1 speeds.
2022-01-20 18:04:19	MacGyver	Should be visible if you run lsusb.py
2022-01-20 18:05:01	MacGyver	It'll list the actual transfer rate, not just which USB standard is used.
2022-01-20 18:05:19	MacGyver	E.g. 6-3               06cb:00bd ff 1IF  [USB 2.00,    12 Mbps, 100mA]
2022-01-20 18:05:30	MacGyver	That's a USB2 connection and USB1 speed.
2022-01-20 18:07:17	bug2000	MacGyver, lsusb.*py* ?!
2022-01-20 18:07:22	MacGyver	Yes.
2022-01-20 18:07:37	bug2000	What's wrong with lsusb?
2022-01-20 18:08:05	MacGyver	It doesn't list speeds in the succinct format.
2022-01-20 18:08:08	bug2000	Oh. Interesting. Defaults speed and driver.
2022-01-20 18:08:12	bug2000	I didn't know about this script.
2022-01-20 18:08:27	MacGyver	It's in the same package that provides lsusb.
2022-01-20 18:08:29	MacGyver	So no reason not to.
2022-01-20 18:09:09	bug2000	I cannot argue with that.
2022-01-20 18:13:09	vagozino	has there been any efforts for bringing back archlinux-classes?
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2022-01-20 18:13:46	Namarrgon	are you volunteering?
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2022-01-20 18:13:56	mpan	vagozino: anyone is free to make such an effort. :)
2022-01-20 18:14:21	vagozino	for sure I would like something like. I have already been doing some technical lesson as part of a volunteer organisation in my uni
2022-01-20 18:14:52	vagozino	just asking if there are other people who would show me where to organise something like that
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2022-01-20 18:20:45	mpan	vagozino: recently no one did. 
2022-01-20 18:21:13	mpan	But the idea itself is not dead. Just no one was wishing to participate.
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2022-01-20 18:30:14	switchnode	after turning my laptop screen off (using the built-in multimedia key), my trackpad (including mouse buttons) is no longer responding (under X and i3). `sudo libinput debug-events` shows the device being added, and shows events from other input devices as expected, but doesn't show any events from the trackpad. `xinput disable`/`enable` doesn't fix things.
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2022-01-20 18:30:24	Earnestly	grawity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsPpZ9DrxqU
2022-01-20 18:30:37	switchnode	is there anything further i can try to debug this?
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2022-01-20 18:32:16	docmax	is it possible to let arch show useless packages? i mean packages which files have neever been accessed?
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2022-01-20 18:33:48	Namarrgon	no, there's nothing that tracks "file access"
2022-01-20 18:34:35	Namarrgon	you have go trough the package lists manually and decide what you don't need/want anymore
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2022-01-20 18:35:08	docmax	ok thx
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2022-01-20 18:39:31	vn971_	Typical situation: * be confused for some days already * write down your question in IRC but don't send it yet * understand what you haven't googled out yet * solve your issue and be happy :)
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2022-01-20 18:40:01	thursdaylark	rubber duck debugging is a service we provide here :D
2022-01-20 18:41:11	vn971_	 // I was specifically having issues with "liburcu" and its signature, in the end I had to execute a partial update unfortunately `pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring` but that fixed the issue.
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2022-01-20 18:42:32	thursdaylark	indeed that is the answer you would have received here as well
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2022-01-20 18:43:28	Khorne	As far as partial upgrades go, thats one of the few acceptable ones assuming you follow it with -Su :P
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2022-01-20 18:44:51	vn971_	(Which I did, yes. Thanks still.)
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2022-01-20 18:45:25	Akulen	MacGyver: effectively, everything on the hub has usb 1.1
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2022-01-20 18:50:17	gumbo	can i see what files will be installed by a remote package. i used pacman -F to find it but i want to list everything that will be installed
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2022-01-20 18:51:10	teraflops	tried -Fl?
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2022-01-20 18:51:34	teraflops	e.g pacman -Fl tree
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2022-01-20 18:55:30	gumbo	teraflops: that worked. I don't see tree in the manage at all except one time. How did you figure that out?
2022-01-20 18:55:58	Khorne	tree is the package
2022-01-20 18:56:03	Khorne	-l is the flag that lists
2022-01-20 18:56:30	gumbo	Oh
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2022-01-20 18:56:43	teraflops	man pacman
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2022-01-20 18:57:50	gumbo	Thanks
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2022-01-20 19:20:21	⚡ 	dagle brings rcf some //
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2022-01-20 19:30:39	The-Compiler	\o/
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2022-01-20 19:48:23	Cknight70	Hi, I updated my pc last night, I booted my pc this morning and my mouse and keyboard were not working on sddm screen. Anyone know what the issue may be?
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2022-01-20 20:08:07	kevr	Look into what packages got updated that are involved with the issue, and check to see if those updates produced issues for people.
2022-01-20 20:08:16	kevr	sddm, xorg or whatever, maybe your drivers
2022-01-20 20:08:47	kevr	/var/log/pacman.log should have all info about your updated packages.
2022-01-20 20:08:55	Cknight70	oh you know what I bet I know the issue, I am using a patched libinput so that I can scroll better on my pc, there was a kernel update last night so that is probably what broke it
2022-01-20 20:09:10	kevr	yep
2022-01-20 20:09:17	kevr	recompile it maybe
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2022-01-20 20:11:07	Cknight70	yeah I'll setup a pacman hook
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2022-01-20 20:22:27	mystiquewolf	Hi, i've got an issue with kdesu and wine...
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2022-01-20 20:23:49	mystiquewolf	i have a user called `wineuser`... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/fb9c3345c8d7fdd4404fcbb751989b36fcfa2384)
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2022-01-20 20:25:48	mystiquewolf	At `/home/lyubotest/.local/share/applications/supermemo15_4.supermemo15.desktop` i have as a command `run_supermemo_as_wine`
2022-01-20 20:25:50	teraflops	why do you use a different user?
2022-01-20 20:26:49	mystiquewolf	Trouble is if i run it from the terminal kdesu asks for password and app runs, but if i double-click the .desktop it doesn't ask for password, so app doesn't run
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2022-01-20 20:27:34	mystiquewolf	teraflops: Just for security reasons
2022-01-20 20:28:11	teraflops	mind sharing the .desktop file?
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2022-01-20 20:28:34	mystiquewolf	So in journalctl i've got `wine: '/home/wineuser/.local/share/wineprefixes/supermemo15' is not owned by you`
2022-01-20 20:30:38	mystiquewolf	!paste [Desktop Entry]... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/e1b57411959f78b44dd5cd347fe20214342cefa3)
2022-01-20 20:30:38	phrik	mystiquewolf: Eh?
2022-01-20 20:30:51	gumbo	did i ask this already. is there a way to see changelog on new updaed packages? i see fakeroot and firefox need to be updated. i would like a changelog
2022-01-20 20:30:58	mystiquewolf	Uhmm, how does this paste work...
2022-01-20 20:31:03	mystiquewolf	!paste
2022-01-20 20:31:04	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-01-20 20:31:19	Namarrgon	gumbo: most packages don't have changelogs
2022-01-20 20:31:27	gumbo	oh ok, thanks Namarrgon
2022-01-20 20:33:25	teraflops	mystiquewolf: try adding to the desktop file: Terminal=true
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2022-01-21 13:27:10	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-01-21 13:27:10	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1424 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1424 normals)
2022-01-21 05:58:02	hiya	It says so, but it isn't needed ever, sof-firmware works out of the box with Arch, and it is installed too, I never needed alsa-ucm-conf
2022-01-21 05:58:24	hiya	I will just reboot then
2022-01-21 05:59:43	espresso	you seem ahead of me then :)
2022-01-21 06:04:41	hiya	its old school Windows solution
2022-01-21 06:04:46	hiya	Reboot and it fixes wowowowo
2022-01-21 06:26:05	wayland	exit
2022-01-21 06:33:35	icy_hot	there is no escape, wayland.
2022-01-21 06:46:47	et09	icy_hot: what happened
2022-01-21 06:53:36	Namarrgon	wayland escaped
2022-01-21 06:54:18	labrador	Namarrgon, I escaped too :o
2022-01-21 06:59:29	Namarrgon	of course you did, you're a dog
2022-01-21 07:15:10	icy_hot	et09 he tried to exit
2022-01-21 07:23:13	kevr	he did exit, lol.
2022-01-21 08:03:14	tatsumaru	Hey guys, can you recommend me an external drive for backups for linux
2022-01-21 08:04:28	labrador	tatsumaru, HGST 5400 rpm hdd?
2022-01-21 08:04:51	tatsumaru	isn't this internal?
2022-01-21 08:20:30	weltio	is just saw the baseline archiso uses erofs while the releng uses squashfs - can anybody tell me the reason why not both use the same fs?
2022-01-21 08:21:20	kib	the way I currently write systemd timers is I make a service and timer file and fill them up. But this is annoying for timers where I want just a single line command to be executed, is there a way I can have a single command run from within a timer file?
2022-01-21 08:22:19	kib	for example if I want a notification sent at 5 PM everyday saying "hello" it's quite annoying to write 2 files for a "notify-send hello"
2022-01-21 08:23:25	mpan	kib: see `systemd-run` with `--on-calendar` and friends.
2022-01-21 08:23:55	kib	I did see skim through it quite a few times already 😬
2022-01-21 08:24:03	kib	oh wait i haven't seen systemd-run sorry
2022-01-21 08:24:12	kib	I've seen timers and calendars and service man pages
2022-01-21 08:24:33	espresso	weltio: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/archiso should help explain
2022-01-21 08:24:34	phrik	Title: Archiso - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-21 08:26:09	mpan	But be aware that those timers disappear on systemd daemon restart. If you want a persistent configuration, you need a timer file. Which shouldn’t be an issue: just write a script to generate them, if editing that manually is a problem.
2022-01-21 08:27:00	kib	so if I reboot they're gone?
2022-01-21 08:27:24	mpan	On any systemd daemon restart. Reboot included.
2022-01-21 08:27:48	kib	I see, that's quite annoying. I'd use cron but that is root only right?
2022-01-21 08:29:16	tirnanog	no.
2022-01-21 08:29:54	kib	can you send documentation on how i can use it as user?
2022-01-21 08:30:10	kib	the cron files are all in /etc so i thought maybe it was root only
2022-01-21 08:30:37	tirnanog	run crontab -e as the user in question.
2022-01-21 08:30:53	kib	:O
2022-01-21 08:37:16	kib	ok so where exactly is my crontab file stored?
2022-01-21 08:37:32	kib	i did some edits in crontab -e and now i want to check if the syntax is valid
2022-01-21 08:37:46	jelle	crontab -l
2022-01-21 08:39:37	kib	hmm ok so there's some error
2022-01-21 08:39:45	kib	notify-send -u critical
2022-01-21 08:39:50	kib	I suspect it's the -u
2022-01-21 08:41:22	kib	or maybe not
2022-01-21 08:41:39	jelle	I suspect it's DISPLAY
2022-01-21 08:42:05	kib	https://0x0.st/ooBD.txt
2022-01-21 08:42:11	kib	this is my crontab
2022-01-21 08:42:31	kib	https://0x0.st/ooBk.txt
2022-01-21 08:42:34	kib	this is the error
2022-01-21 08:45:41	kib	https://stackoverflow.com/a/11304534 did not work
2022-01-21 08:45:42	phrik	Title: unix - Can't install CRON job - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
2022-01-21 08:46:41	kib	https://superuser.com/a/834452 I used vim
2022-01-21 08:46:42	phrik	Title: linux - Installing new crontab leads to premature EOF error - Super User (at superuser.com)
2022-01-21 08:46:45	kib	nvim actually
2022-01-21 08:51:59	Khorne	I'm also pretty sure crontab wants you to use full paths
2022-01-21 08:52:03	Khorne	Moin
2022-01-21 08:52:22	kib	nope same result
2022-01-21 08:52:30	kib	https://0x0.st/ooBR.txt
2022-01-21 08:53:05	kib	yeah this is so annoying
2022-01-21 08:53:07	Khorne	Is that the entire crontab?
2022-01-21 08:53:11	kib	yes
2022-01-21 08:53:18	kib	I just installed it today
2022-01-21 08:53:29	kib	 i also put a enter after the first line
2022-01-21 08:53:43	kib	that's carriage return right?
2022-01-21 08:53:46	Khorne	ye
2022-01-21 08:53:51	Khorne	Thats what I was wondering
2022-01-21 08:54:06	kib	so what's wrong then?
2022-01-21 08:54:42	kib	i copied my cron time from crontab.gru
2022-01-21 08:54:47	kib	crontab.guru
2022-01-21 08:54:59	kib	https://crontab.guru/#0_17_*_*_*
2022-01-21 08:55:00	phrik	Title: Crontab.guru - The cron schedule expression editor (at crontab.guru)
2022-01-21 08:55:45	Khorne	Which cron is it?
2022-01-21 08:56:26	kib	cronie
2022-01-21 08:59:46	Khorne	I think piping to crontab -T might be the issue
2022-01-21 09:00:16	kib	oh
2022-01-21 09:00:32	kib	damn
2022-01-21 09:00:35	kib	you're right
2022-01-21 09:00:42	kib	i redirected it to a file and it worked
2022-01-21 09:01:11	Khorne	Still I'm not sure your command works as written
2022-01-21 09:01:34	kib	it does
2022-01-21 09:01:43	kib	sorry
2022-01-21 09:01:45	kib	why ?
2022-01-21 09:01:51	kib	do you mean the notify-send part?
2022-01-21 09:01:54	Khorne	Yea
2022-01-21 09:02:14	Khorne	I figured much as jelle alluded to it wants a DISPLAY variable
2022-01-21 09:02:19	Khorne	But maybe its dbus magic
2022-01-21 09:02:29	kib	no the notify=send works fine
2022-01-21 09:02:39	kib	now i just have to wait
2022-01-21 09:02:40	jelle	kib: from shell?
2022-01-21 09:03:54	kib	from shell?
2022-01-21 09:03:58	kib	wdym?
2022-01-21 09:04:50	Khorne	If you ran it from a terminal emu within your graphical session thats not the same environment as cron will be using
2022-01-21 09:04:55	jelle	ja
2022-01-21 09:05:15	LordRishav	kib: I thought you used Windows?
2022-01-21 09:05:32	Khorne	#aot is that a-way
2022-01-21 09:10:30	kib	Khorne i didn't understand what you said but ok 👍
2022-01-21 09:10:33	kib	thanks for the help
2022-01-21 09:13:35	jelle	LordRishav: can't you see kib is a unixchad
2022-01-21 09:14:40	Khorne	Rude
2022-01-21 09:15:00	LordRishav	Indeed, but he told me some days ago he has switched back to Windows because of the amount of time his system took to be working as good
2022-01-21 09:15:21	LordRishav	Also I would use systemd-timer instead
2022-01-21 09:16:24	kib	my cronjob did not run
2022-01-21 09:16:31	Khorne	Quelle surprise
2022-01-21 09:16:45	kib	https://0x0.st/ooMz.txt
2022-01-21 09:17:01	kib	the command works fine from terminal
2022-01-21 09:17:07	Khorne	See what I said above
2022-01-21 09:17:32	kib	what did you say above ? I had to disconnect
2022-01-21 09:17:36	kib	lost the buffer
2022-01-21 09:17:53	Khorne	running it from a terminal emulator within your graphical session is different from how cron runs the command
2022-01-21 09:17:58	Khorne	The environment changes
2022-01-21 09:18:14	kib	so what should i do?
2022-01-21 09:18:30	kib	man it feels like using systemd timer and service files would be easier
2022-01-21 09:18:40	LordRishav	indeed
2022-01-21 09:18:41	Khorne	That wouldn't change anything about this very problem
2022-01-21 09:19:23	Khorne	Tell cron via the DISPLAY environment variable to which graphical session it has to send the notification
2022-01-21 09:19:39	Khorne	Compare the DISPLAY variable in your terminal, plop that in front of the cron command
2022-01-21 09:20:23	Khorne	Unless you use wayland maybe but then I have no idea how it works or if this is possible at all with the security features of wayland
2022-01-21 09:20:57	mkoskar	kib: if it's only notify-send then you need to make sure it connects to correct DBUS e.g., by setting DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
2022-01-21 09:21:13	Khorne	Oh, thats a good shout
2022-01-21 09:34:31	kib	mkoskar i don't understand
2022-01-21 09:47:48	jehelset	hm, "systemctl --user enable redshift" will fail unless ".config/systemd/user/default.target.wants" directory exists. is there a way to like, setup the required directory structure there? or did i do something wrong.
2022-01-21 09:56:02	uuidNuni1	!ab
2022-01-21 09:56:02	phrik	Arch is the Best™ https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_is_the_best
2022-01-21 09:58:37	tirnanog	jehelset: doing so works fine here. I've never heard of such being a requirement.
2022-01-21 09:58:37	Khorne	jehelset, other than `mkdir -p ~/.config/systemd/user/`?
2022-01-21 09:59:46	weltio	https://github.com/archlinux/archiso/blob/e2e4f3d6196fd013d944390f793f12e8dad089c3/archiso/mkarchiso#L1338-L1339
2022-01-21 09:59:52	Khorne	Hu, doesn't even seem to be required..
2022-01-21 10:00:29	tirnanog	indeed. it would be daft if it was.
2022-01-21 10:00:41	weltio	in read_profile: packages="${profile}/packages.${arch}" but in later called: _set_overrides: [[ -n "$arch" ]] || arch="$(uname -m)"
2022-01-21 10:00:54	weltio	$arch is not defined in read_profile
2022-01-21 10:02:14	Khorne	tirnanog, I've seen software do or not do plenty of daft things :)
2022-01-21 10:02:46	Khorne	I would be surprised though if something like that stuck around for this long I guess
2022-01-21 10:02:51	tirnanog	such a shortcoming simply wouldn't be tolerated.
2022-01-21 10:03:18	tirnanog	perhaps it would help to ascertain the manner in which it fails.
2022-01-21 10:17:35	jehelset	tirnanog: ah ok! must be a local problem then.
2022-01-21 10:18:04	jehelset	Khorne: ya, i had to make the "default.target.wants" directory also for some reason.
2022-01-21 10:22:55	intjtlgl[m]	just a question I have been trying to get arch installed on my laptop for a while. It seems that after I installed via pacstrap /mnt and the packages. I may or may not have ran fstab-gen -U /mnt  >> /mnt/etc/fstab before trying to run arch-chroot /mnt. I have formatted the partitions a few times and when I enter arch-chroot /mnt it states /bin/bash not found. I have /mnt/usr/bin but there is no
2022-01-21 10:22:55	intjtlgl[m]	symlink to /mnt/bin. I tried creating it
2022-01-21 10:22:55	intjtlgl[m]	via ln -s and it still says the same thing. Even though in ls -al /mnt/bin/bash it is there now. Is there something that I am missing. I have reinstalled arch a few times. I came upon this error recently. I had a already installed arch and I had a package list in a text file and used that with pacstrap and I was able to arch-chroot and fix the desktop. Any ideas?
2022-01-21 10:31:14	espresso	intjtlgl[m]: I would try 'edit fstab for errors' as recommended by https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide and perhaps back up depending on what else..
2022-01-21 10:31:15	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-21 10:51:58	weltio	espresso: erofs is not even mentioned
2022-01-21 10:53:02	espresso	weltio: releng, vs baseline
2022-01-21 10:53:46	weltio	espresso: yeah my question is related to the different FS used in both
2022-01-21 10:54:10	intjtlgl[m]	also on my usb it doesn't show copying to ram progress bar but on the cdrom it does? the cdrom is from july 2021 though 
2022-01-21 10:55:49	espresso	weltio: ah yes, maybe the full releng can just use squashing
2022-01-21 10:56:18	weltio	espresso: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73331 thats the answer
2022-01-21 10:56:19	phrik	Title: FS#73331 : [erofs-utils] build with microLZMA (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-01-21 11:00:08	espresso	weltio: nice find
2022-01-21 11:00:40	weltio	espresso: nl6720 told me
2022-01-21 11:09:38	ShapeShifter499	Hi
2022-01-21 11:10:13	ShapeShifter499	so I'm still torn on f2fs, does anyone here use it for any of there daily driver systems?
2022-01-21 11:12:55	ShapeShifter499	I've been running it on my laptop that has an SSD for the entirety of the pandemic and it seems fine?   But then lately I have been having some SD cards die on me in a Raspberry Pi and a Pinephone and folks there have been split between "is there ok power" or "f2fs might have killed them"
2022-01-21 11:13:54	ShapeShifter499	I'm thinking of switching back to ext4 for a new SSD setup on a new system just for safety, tried and true
2022-01-21 11:14:14	ShapeShifter499	I'm just not sure
2022-01-21 11:15:04	demonicmaniac1	a filesystem does not kill a microsd if its simply not readable anymore at all or writable
2022-01-21 11:15:19	demonicmaniac1	it is known that pis kill some sd cards
2022-01-21 11:16:01	Earnestly	These cards come with 10 year warranties these days
2022-01-21 11:16:16	demonicmaniac1	i mean only the good samsung ones
2022-01-21 11:16:28	demonicmaniac1	not the cheap class 10 ones
2022-01-21 11:16:32	Earnestly	And sandisk
2022-01-21 11:16:52	Earnestly	They're both fairly cheap, at least to my mind with that kind of a life span
2022-01-21 11:17:34	demonicmaniac1	they still barf in some phones/pis though even the samsung
2022-01-21 11:17:37	Earnestly	Although it would be nice if there are experiments with wear on these things
2022-01-21 11:17:42	demonicmaniac1	mother's old moto g killed like 3 of them
2022-01-21 11:17:54	demonicmaniac1	not wear out but just plain dead. sure could get it replaced maybe but all data lost
2022-01-21 11:17:58	Earnestly	Do you know what the typical class of causes are?
2022-01-21 11:19:43	demonicmaniac1	power losses are the main culprit it seems or just terrible reader interfaces with static charges
2022-01-21 11:20:06	demonicmaniac1	a lot of cards also just corrupt if you send a string of commands in a weird order it seems
2022-01-21 11:20:40	demonicmaniac1	i don't know why sdcards are so terrible compared to usb sticks
2022-01-21 11:24:14	Earnestly	It's seemingly difficult to find any large collections of case studies for this
2022-01-21 11:24:18	demonicmaniac1	i just don't like f2fs compression implementation so i stick to btrfs everywhere simply because zstd:1 or 2 is pretty much free but so much space
2022-01-21 11:28:03	demonicmaniac1	Earnestly: i mostly blame the reader side because all accounts i heard and personal experience with buying same card for dad and mom is dad's phone lasting 3 years on one card and mom going through 4 cards in the same time, new phone and no more issues
2022-01-21 11:28:29	demonicmaniac1	whether that's electrical or software i don't know but i think more likely electrical
2022-01-21 11:28:55	Earnestly	That would be my sense as well
2022-01-21 11:30:22	Earnestly	demonicmaniac1: It doesn't seem unreasonable to assume that components can fail in subtle ways and allow slightly unstable current through, enough to hurt the card
2022-01-21 11:30:30	Earnestly	Or such things
2022-01-21 11:31:41	demonicmaniac1	yeah
2022-01-21 11:32:01	Earnestly	demonicmaniac1: Huh, lexar do lifetime warranty apparently
2022-01-21 11:32:08	Earnestly	I don't even know this company
2022-01-21 11:32:57	Earnestly	> Limited lifetime warranty is limited to 10 years from purchase in Germany and regions not recognizing lifetime warranty.
2022-01-21 11:33:05	Earnestly	I dislike it when they do this
2022-01-21 11:33:31	jelle	I've heard of lexar before
2022-01-21 11:33:32	Khorne	Lying?
2022-01-21 11:33:50	⚡ 	jelle associates it with cheap, not sure if that's correct
2022-01-21 11:35:35	Earnestly	Khorne: Cheeky bordering lying, imo.  I know lifetime usually means 'lifetime of device', but in more established fields it often does mean your lifetime as they offer repair (under certain conditions)
2022-01-21 11:35:49	Earnestly	I wish they'd just write '10 years', like sandisk/samsung
2022-01-21 11:35:55	Khorne	Yea
2022-01-21 11:42:27	zarakshR	Hello, guys. Is tree broken? I downloaded the last update (~an hour ago) and now I get this -
2022-01-21 11:42:27	zarakshR	$ tree
2022-01-21 11:42:27	zarakshR	bash: tree: command not found
2022-01-21 11:42:41	Khorne	Did you also install it?
2022-01-21 11:42:52	zarakshR	and also
2022-01-21 11:42:52	zarakshR	$/usr/bin/tree
2022-01-21 11:42:52	zarakshR	bash: /usr/bin/tree: No such file or directory
2022-01-21 11:42:55	zarakshR	yes
2022-01-21 11:43:01	zarakshR	i got it straight from pacman
2022-01-21 11:43:15	Khorne	Have you checked that it is installed?
2022-01-21 11:43:28	jelle	I fixed it
2022-01-21 11:43:33	jelle	zarakshR: pls update again
2022-01-21 11:43:41	Khorne	oh
2022-01-21 11:44:03	jelle	I know Khorne, it's unexpected that packagers fuck up :)
2022-01-21 11:44:10	Khorne	Totally
2022-01-21 11:44:16	zarakshR	OK. I was worried for a sec there lol.
2022-01-21 11:44:18	zarakshR	Thanks anyway
2022-01-21 11:44:42	alad	it's unexpected when they don't!
2022-01-21 11:44:53	jelle	:OO
2022-01-21 11:45:43	Khorne	!bug #73441
2022-01-21 11:45:44	phrik	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/#73441
2022-01-21 11:46:08	jelle	error
2022-01-21 11:46:15	Khorne	# too much
2022-01-21 11:46:43	jelle	we should switch to jira
2022-01-21 11:46:45	Khorne	But I also decided I don't care too much why prefix= used to work but now has to be PREFIX
2022-01-21 11:47:03	jelle	let me plan a sprint for the fix
2022-01-21 11:47:27	Khorne	20 Place Grid Penalty for touching the scrum master
2022-01-21 11:48:02	jelle	:O
2022-01-21 11:51:17	Ghosthree3	aur packages that auto start or restart services in their .install files man ._.
2022-01-21 11:51:38	alad	Ghosthree3: plz report 'em
2022-01-21 11:52:21	alad	!bug 69420
2022-01-21 11:52:22	phrik	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/69420
2022-01-21 11:52:31	alad	ofc it had to be signal
2022-01-21 11:53:44	Ghosthree3	alad: this file is actually scary tbqh https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/ivpn.install?h=ivpn
2022-01-21 11:53:45	phrik	Title: ivpn.install - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-01-21 11:54:25	alad	nice it even hides the output
2022-01-21 11:54:29	Ghosthree3	yea
2022-01-21 11:54:36	Ghosthree3	silently running sudo rmdir on your system btw
2022-01-21 11:55:00	alad	it doesn't even need sudo because it's all run as root
2022-01-21 11:55:03	alad	but that makes it extra bad
2022-01-21 11:55:30	Khorne	At least it didn't delete /usr yet
2022-01-21 11:56:26	alad	it does rm -rf on unquoted variables, so it might just yet
2022-01-21 11:57:01	alad	updpkg: fix /opt path ("/opt /usr")
2022-01-21 11:59:27	Ghosthree3	i honestly feel like you could just remove the entire .install file and be better off? it doesnt really do anything you need
2022-01-21 12:01:58	alad	yes
2022-01-21 12:02:06	alad	at most it should print a message on what the user should do
2022-01-21 12:02:45	Ghosthree3	yea warning files may be left over at X, other than that nothing to do, unless the step regarding disconnecting and firewall actually matters because it leaves the system unusable or something if its just ripped out but idk if thats a thing or not
2022-01-21 12:09:44	Earnestly	> Net Upgrade Size:      -605.81 MiB
2022-01-21 12:10:22	Hunts	nice
2022-01-21 12:11:26	Earnestly	fireware package changes
2022-01-21 12:12:08	Ghosthree3	woah
2022-01-21 12:19:01	mongy	finally
2022-01-21 12:37:16	alad	:O
2022-01-21 12:38:18	alad	that's alot of splits
2022-01-21 12:48:19	randomxusr	hello. I tried to install this morning, and all was going well. Booted to a login prompt and launched kde. howvever, I'm not seeing any of the gui apps listed in launcher. what might be causing this?
2022-01-21 12:49:28	thrice	none at all?  Or just very few?
2022-01-21 12:50:33	randomxusr	Firefox has shown up after several attempts to install
2022-01-21 12:51:45	thrice	wut
2022-01-21 12:52:51	evilop	if you just did plasma-desktop then you won't have many entries
2022-01-21 12:55:21	randomxusr	my bad. So I've tried plasma-meta and the desktop. There are no almost not apps with plasma-desktop or plasma-meta, When I install apps that are not part of kde, they don't receive and icon in the launcher
2022-01-21 12:55:58	thrice	are they in the menu, though?
2022-01-21 12:56:17	thrice	iirc, the default is to not pin apps to the taskbar
2022-01-21 12:56:37	thrice	but, if you run firefox and right click -> pin, it'll stay (or, drag it down there, etc)
2022-01-21 12:58:07	randomxusr	is the default behaviors for them to be present in the Launcher?  I don't see anything to run that I could pin to the taskbar/panel
2022-01-21 12:58:59	thrice	in the main menu, yes
2022-01-21 12:59:13	evilop	by launcher you mean the thing you get when pressing win?
2022-01-21 12:59:42	randomxusr	yes
2022-01-21 13:11:23	evilop	anything with a .desktop file should end up there, not sure how often kde refreshes the cache though
2022-01-21 13:14:17	randomxusr	I'll check it out and see what I can find. Also seeing a number of corrupted packages installing pantheon (checking a different DE) I'll mess with the install and try to troubleshoot both.  hoping it's an easy
2022-01-21 13:19:39	evilop	probably a red herring
2022-01-21 13:20:57	ShapeShifter499	demonicmaniac, I've seen people disable f2fs in android builds and such just because of theories that it caused stability issues
2022-01-21 13:22:23	ShapeShifter499	but ext4 seems to be more tried and true. I'm probably going to stick to that unless I ever need a more complex setup
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2022-01-21 13:35:02	Earnestly	better the devil you know
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2022-01-21 13:41:39	evilop	ShapeShifter499: many actual phone makers uses f2fs
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2022-01-21 13:48:18	ShapeShifter499	evilop, I guess I've just had bad luck then
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2022-01-21 14:01:32	LordOfLIve	hwllo
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2022-01-21 14:15:13	shafox	I have amd graphics card, i have installed xorg and bspwm, and followed the wiki for bspwm, while starting via startx I am getting blank screen. no cursor nothing. 
2022-01-21 14:16:14	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-01-21 14:16:37	Namarrgon	what is in ~/.xinitrc?
2022-01-21 14:17:15	ℹ 	pshhh es conocido ahora como LordOfLive
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2022-01-21 14:19:17	shafox	This is the log files: https://gist.github.com/shadow-fox/69547bbe124ebacda9868e874f94f69e 
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2022-01-21 14:19:27	shafox	Namarrgon, the xinitrc is included in the gist. 
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2022-01-21 14:19:51	shafox	I donot have any xorg.conf in my /etc/X11/ dir. 
2022-01-21 14:22:26	Khorne	Seems perfectly normal for bspwm
2022-01-21 14:22:29	Khorne	It does come with nothing
2022-01-21 14:23:02	shafox	I can see Xorg is running. I have added the ps -eaf output to the gist. 
2022-01-21 14:23:15	Khorne	bspwm in its default config doesn't put anything on the screen
2022-01-21 14:23:25	Namarrgon	start some terminal or something else before you exec bspwm
2022-01-21 14:23:40	ℹ 	BlackIkeEagle_ es conocido ahora como BlackIkeEagle
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2022-01-21 14:24:57	shafox	ok. let me restart and try to open urxvt. 
2022-01-21 14:25:39	shafox	damn!!!
2022-01-21 14:25:47	shafox	that was it. 
2022-01-21 14:25:55	shafox	Thank you Khorne and Namarrgon :) 
2022-01-21 14:26:12	Khorne	That is also specifically listed in the Troubleshooting section of the bspwm wiki page :P
2022-01-21 14:26:38	Khorne	Well, not to launch something from the xinitrc but that a blank screen is basically to be expected 
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2022-01-21 14:29:21	shafox	Yeah.but thought something is messed up. 
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2022-01-21 14:33:03	LordOfLive	/
2022-01-21 14:33:05	LordOfLive	oops
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2022-01-21 14:41:04	dirtcastle	anybody has experience increasing size of virtualbox vm disk size through parted ? not gparted. parted is cli only
2022-01-21 14:41:06	PowaBanga	hi
2022-01-21 14:41:09	dirtcastle	hi
2022-01-21 14:41:23	PowaBanga	does aur.archlinux.org is down ?
2022-01-21 14:41:32	evilop	dirtcastle: 1. why parted?  2. what is the actual problem?
2022-01-21 14:41:45	evilop	PowaBanga: there are websites to check that
2022-01-21 14:41:57	dirtcastle	I just want to increase the size evilop without any display server. 
2022-01-21 14:42:25	PowaBanga	i can't acces it, it don't understand why...
2022-01-21 14:42:28	dirtcastle	evilop, I used arch wiki. I guess I'm missing a step or smtg
2022-01-21 14:42:46	evilop	https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/aur.archlinux.org and a load of similar sites
2022-01-21 14:42:49	dirtcastle	PowaBanga, I can
2022-01-21 14:43:08	evilop	dirtcastle: c(f|g)disk is less confusing than parted
2022-01-21 14:43:19	evilop	dirtcastle: which fs are you using?
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2022-01-21 14:43:38	dirtcastle	evilop no idea. are u asking cdisk or fdisk?
2022-01-21 14:43:40	evilop	PowaBanga: error being?
2022-01-21 14:43:57	PowaBanga	ping: https://aur.archlinux.org: Name or service not known
2022-01-21 14:43:58	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - Home (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-01-21 14:44:05	evilop	dirtcastle: you don't know which filesystem you are using? check using findmnt then
2022-01-21 14:44:25	evilop	PowaBanga: but other sites works?
2022-01-21 14:44:42	PowaBanga	yes, i am speaking on same computer with you
2022-01-21 14:44:43	evilop	PowaBanga: if so, fix/change your nameserver
2022-01-21 14:45:31	dirtcastle	evilop, there is a fstype coloum. did u mean that?
2022-01-21 14:45:32	PowaBanga	my phone too can't acces it...
2022-01-21 14:46:17	evilop	dirtcastle: post the full findmnt --real and lsblk -f -o+parttypename output
2022-01-21 14:46:23	evilop	!rs
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2022-01-21 14:46:24	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2022-01-21 14:47:09	dirtcastle	evilop /dev/sda3  ext4 rw,relative
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2022-01-21 20:23:07	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-01-21 20:23:07	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1449 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1449 normals)
2022-01-21 19:03:43	Dotz0cat_	I am getting a pgp signature could not be verfied error when running makepkg
2022-01-21 19:04:22	Scimmia	do you have the public key?
2022-01-21 19:05:56	Dotz0cat_	No idea. I have the latest archlinux-keyring
2022-01-21 19:06:59	Scimmia	that's for Arch packages, it has nothing to do with verifying upstream source tarballs
2022-01-21 19:07:32	Scimmia	see the AUR wiki page
2022-01-21 19:07:45	Scimmia	or the makepkg wiki page
2022-01-21 19:08:17	gumbo	is there an arch off-topic channel?
2022-01-21 19:08:30	Scimmia	!give gumbo offtopic
2022-01-21 19:08:31	phrik	gumbo: Take it to #archlinux-offtopic
2022-01-21 19:08:44	Dotz0cat_	It looks to be a issue on this aur pkg
2022-01-21 19:09:17	cdown	AUR packages may have their own PGP keys to verify. They are not covered by archlinux-keyring.
2022-01-21 19:09:31	Namarrgon	which package is it?
2022-01-21 19:10:10	Dotz0cat_	ttf-unifont
2022-01-21 19:10:51	thrice	I'm lazy, if I trust the source download URL, I ignore the sig
2022-01-21 19:11:08	Namarrgon	did you import the key whose signature is listed in the PKGBUILD?
2022-01-21 19:12:04	Namarrgon	i wonder how many maintainers it takes to overflow the aur db
2022-01-21 19:12:33	Namarrgon	"Maintainer: Morn (Marcel_K, davidmcinnis, nl6720, txtsd, zkiroel, jfcandidofilho, coolsidd)"
2022-01-21 19:12:51	Namarrgon	the ttf version of unifont looked really bad when i tried it a few years ago
2022-01-21 19:13:57	Dotz0cat_	I have not imported the key. I will look into it. I only want the font to build polybar
2022-01-21 19:15:38	Namarrgon	you can remove it from the opt-deps if you don't want it
2022-01-21 19:16:40	Scimmia	If it's only optional, there's no need to build it at all
2022-01-21 19:17:21	Dotz0cat_	I want to build polybar in its "full glory"
2022-01-21 19:18:15	Scimmia	It doens't change how it's built
2022-01-21 19:19:03	Dotz0cat_	ok Ill skip this and forget this font
2022-01-21 19:19:08	thrice	opt depends usually means 'not needed at build time, add it after if you want, and it'll automagically work"
2022-01-21 19:19:28	Namarrgon	you still want to learn how to deal with signed sources
2022-01-21 19:48:08	jelle	gotta love the wiki :D
2022-01-21 19:48:43	jelle	forcing gpu accel on chromium with .chromium-flags does nothing so far :)
2022-01-21 19:50:12	thrice	you're not forcing hard enough
2022-01-21 19:50:22	jelle	thrice: or my old nuc just doesn't accel hmm
2022-01-21 19:50:46	jelle	which would suprise me as kodi works fine :)
2022-01-21 19:52:01	jelle	and I guess firefox just uses it's own shitdns by default O_O
2022-01-21 19:53:38	demonicmaniac1	jelle: what format though?
2022-01-21 19:53:41	demonicmaniac1	video
2022-01-21 19:53:49	jelle	demonicmaniac1: no idea hmmm it's a stream
2022-01-21 19:53:50	demonicmaniac1	if it's youtubes in chromium it will default to vp9 or av1
2022-01-21 19:54:03	demonicmaniac1	that requires a moderately new nuc
2022-01-21 19:54:20	jelle	nah youtube
2022-01-21 19:54:23	jelle	youtube is fine
2022-01-21 19:55:16	demonicmaniac1	do you mean accelerated canvas or video decode acceleration?
2022-01-21 19:55:53	jelle	video decode
2022-01-21 19:56:09	jelle	iirc there is some about:foo you can check
2022-01-21 19:56:20	demonicmaniac1	chrome://gpu
2022-01-21 19:56:36	demonicmaniac1	that does not tell you which codecs though
2022-01-21 19:56:59	jelle	yeah
2022-01-21 19:57:42	another|	jelle: can you load the stream in ffprobe?
2022-01-21 19:58:12	jelle	anyway, I'm done with this shit for now, enough debugging of shit :P
2022-01-21 19:58:20	jelle	another|: yeah yt-dlp supports it but is buggy :P
2022-01-21 19:59:38	another|	yt-dlp -F should tell you the codec as well
2022-01-21 19:59:56	jelle	yeah good point, question is if the browser does the same
2022-01-21 20:00:06	jelle	tbh mostly interested in getting yt-dlp working as that's much better
2022-01-21 20:00:28	thrice	meh, I almost always have a browser open, so
2022-01-21 20:00:49	jelle	thrice: it's usually less of a mess to get gpu accel working with mpv then a browser :)
2022-01-21 20:01:28	thrice	you're trying to conserve energy, though?  Or it bogs down your system?
2022-01-21 20:01:55	Earnestly	Later for me, the browser is open, but I try not to provoke it too much
2022-01-21 20:02:17	Earnestly	It can just about display text and images, this is all I ask
2022-01-21 20:02:22	thrice	I must be lucky, if I load a youtube tab, I don't notice any chance to my system
2022-01-21 20:02:40	thrice	and my system is old
2022-01-21 20:02:45	Earnestly	I disabled all css animations just to not have 90% cpu usage
2022-01-21 20:02:57	Earnestly	Due to placeholder animations
2022-01-21 20:05:14	Earnestly	With mpv I can watch videos without fan coming on, which is nice
2022-01-21 20:05:34	Earnestly	(Well, not fast enough to notice it much)
2022-01-21 20:06:12	thrice	I'm partly jealous of new apple chips for this reason
2022-01-21 20:06:43	demonicmaniac1	thrice: ?
2022-01-21 20:06:53	demonicmaniac1	the m1 also draws up to 50w in the max variant
2022-01-21 20:06:57	gumbo	should i reboot after i download new linux-headers and linux-kenrel ? or is there something i should run to make sure everything is fine?
2022-01-21 20:07:03	demonicmaniac1	if you do cpu decoding it will just throttle and skip frames
2022-01-21 20:07:14	another|	gumbo: download or install?
2022-01-21 20:07:26	thrice	demonicmaniac1: the base m1 will skip frames watching youtube?
2022-01-21 20:07:29	gumbo	another|: i just did pacman -Syu
2022-01-21 20:07:48	demonicmaniac1	thrice: if you watch 4k120hz vp9 software decoding sure
2022-01-21 20:07:51	another|	you should always reboot after updating the kernel
2022-01-21 20:07:57	gumbo	ok thanks
2022-01-21 20:08:10	another|	ideally, immediately
2022-01-21 20:08:18	demonicmaniac1	cpu wise they're not more efficient than zen3 ulv chips
2022-01-21 20:08:54	demonicmaniac1	you can have passive zen3 laptops as well with same 25w envelope 
2022-01-21 20:09:42	Earnestly	demonicmaniac1: Hm, m1 didn't bother with vp9 hw decode?
2022-01-21 20:09:52	Earnestly	Is anyone really bothering with vp9
2022-01-21 20:10:00	another|	intel, amd
2022-01-21 20:10:08	another|	nvidia
2022-01-21 20:11:22	another|	basically everyone but apple
2022-01-21 20:11:33	demonicmaniac1	Earnestly: nono the m1 does hw decode
2022-01-21 20:11:54	demonicmaniac1	i just meant that if you do software decoding on the cpu zen3 ulv cpus are just as efficient as m1
2022-01-21 20:12:20	thrice	doens't m1 do it on the chip, though?
2022-01-21 20:12:25	Earnestly	I would think many might regret wasting their time with it now that av1 is a thing, vp9 a strange middle child lol
2022-01-21 20:12:45	Earnestly	At least daala finally found some use
2022-01-21 20:19:49	jelle	thrice: youtube is fine, but this ain't youtbe :P
2022-01-21 20:21:34	demonicmaniac1	thrice: sure but so does ever intel/amd chip
2022-01-21 20:21:59	demonicmaniac1	the argument is simply m1 non pro/max is meh, not really better igpu or more efficient cpu than zen3
2022-01-21 20:22:21	demonicmaniac1	pro and max are insane because their igp is amazing in a 70w total envelope with good cpu performance as well
2022-01-21 20:23:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-21 20:23:56	OneDev	so anyone have an issue when gnome-shell restarts that shortcuts do not work anymore?
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2022-01-21 20:23:59	demonicmaniac1	Earnestly: eh vp9 hwdec is actually about 4 years old now
2022-01-21 20:24:08	demonicmaniac1	av1 hwdec/enc isn't even a year old
2022-01-21 20:24:15	OneDev	And need to be again replaced in shortcuts settings.
2022-01-21 20:24:21	◣	mohabaks (~mohabaks@gateway/tor-sasl/mohabaks) ha salido (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2022-01-21 20:24:25	Earnestly	demonicmaniac1: I don't think it'll have the same legacy as h264, basically
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2022-01-21 20:24:35	Earnestly	And av1 seems like a credible alternative
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2022-01-21 20:24:51	demonicmaniac1	oh for sure for sure but until av1 hwdec is widespread will take ages
2022-01-21 20:24:58	demonicmaniac1	and they can actually switch over fully
2022-01-21 20:24:59	Earnestly	I wonder about that, is what I mean
2022-01-21 20:25:08	jelle	ah it's h264 so should work
2022-01-21 20:25:10	Earnestly	vp9 felt 'recluctant'
2022-01-21 20:25:20	OneDev	I guess its something about old entries setup in conf are becoming obsolete so it is an issue with either Vala interface or basically datastructure and mappings not being pointed properly. 
2022-01-21 20:25:22	Earnestly	I think they might dive in to av1 without as much fear
2022-01-21 20:25:23	demonicmaniac1	well vp9 was really just google saying eff you mpegla
2022-01-21 20:25:40	demonicmaniac1	and mpegla still consistently going with the BUT YOU DO VIOLATE PATENTS scare
2022-01-21 20:25:43	Earnestly	yes, and av1 is even better, since it is vp10 + daala + something I forget
2022-01-21 20:25:52	demonicmaniac1	until google signed a dumb waiver sort of giving mpegla "right"
2022-01-21 20:25:55	another|	thor
2022-01-21 20:26:01	Earnestly	(And has wide industry support?)
2022-01-21 20:26:27	demonicmaniac1	every soc in the last 3 years has vp9 hwdec support too though
2022-01-21 20:26:32	demonicmaniac1	like it IS industry wide supported
2022-01-21 20:26:43	OneDev	Also is there any plan on frekaing removing the libjs dependency from Gnome? its just a shitshow. 
2022-01-21 20:26:52	another|	demonicmaniac1: one interpretation I heard was they paid MPEGLA to shut up, even though they knew to be in the clear
2022-01-21 20:26:58	Earnestly	demonicmaniac1: Yes but reluctantly so in beginning I feel
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2022-01-21 20:27:08	demonicmaniac1	another|: indeed but that still looks like mpegla actually has something
2022-01-21 20:27:14	demonicmaniac1	Earnestly: yes because of mpegla scare
2022-01-21 20:27:17	Earnestly	Yes
2022-01-21 20:27:23	Earnestly	I don't think that will happen with av1
2022-01-21 20:28:28	demonicmaniac1	it actually already is happening
2022-01-21 20:28:38	demonicmaniac1	there's patent claims pending and AOM simply hasn't responded to them yet
2022-01-21 20:28:46	another|	demonicmaniac1: it's just bad PR if there's always a lingering patent claim. just pay them to shut up
2022-01-21 20:29:08	Earnestly	demonicmaniac1: vp9 was necessary I think to soften it
2022-01-21 20:29:10	jelle	           Video   20.44% |███▌             |      0%      0%
2022-01-21 20:29:11	another|	demonicmaniac1: they have
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2022-01-21 20:29:20	jelle	so that's what intel_gpu_top shows, so it might just work lol
2022-01-21 20:29:36	demonicmaniac1	another|: oh?
2022-01-21 20:29:37	another|	the answer was basically: we have a lot of money to defend it
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2022-01-21 20:29:46	demonicmaniac1	heh
2022-01-21 20:30:00	◣	indux (~Thunderbi@95.168.153.128) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-01-21 20:30:26	demonicmaniac1	mind you i am all for av1
2022-01-21 20:30:32	another|	so am i
2022-01-21 20:30:38	demonicmaniac1	and sure hope they can shut up all trolls
2022-01-21 20:30:55	demonicmaniac1	but to be sure as soon as av1 adoption reaches a certain point over h265 mpegla will rear its ugly head somehow
2022-01-21 20:31:05	demonicmaniac1	they won't backdown without bullshit claims
2022-01-21 20:31:21	Earnestly	demonicmaniac1: I think vp9 was able to demonstrate that trolls don't have to win
2022-01-21 20:31:24	another|	I mean: Do you honestly think they are stupid?
2022-01-21 20:31:36	Earnestly	So av1 should be able to propel itself from those gains
2022-01-21 20:32:00	another|	from what I heard they had everything double checked by lawyers
2022-01-21 20:32:07	demonicmaniac1	mpegla? yes. they sued the webhoster hosting youtube-dl website for leading to massive copyright infringement
2022-01-21 20:32:18	demonicmaniac1	the website that hosts no code whatsoever
2022-01-21 20:32:32	demonicmaniac1	aom? no
2022-01-21 20:32:47	demonicmaniac1	just saying mpegla will try whatever bullshit to try and discredit aom
2022-01-21 20:33:05	another|	sure
2022-01-21 20:34:03	◣	Nimzowitsch (~nimzo@user/nimzowitsch) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-01-21 20:34:24	another|	The latest statement from a discussion panel was: "We are no lawyers but... we're all here from big companies talking about massive rollouts."
2022-01-21 20:35:34	another|	YT, Netflix are in production. facebook plans to rollout this year
2022-01-21 20:36:03	Earnestly	demonicmaniac1: (they = riaa, not mpegla?)
2022-01-21 20:36:06	another|	cisco, microsoft also in prodcution
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2022-01-21 20:39:32	ℹ 	tam1m_ es conocido ahora como tam1m
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2022-01-21 21:08:44	post-factum	php 8.1 update broke tt-rss?
2022-01-21 21:09:01	post-factum	PHP Fatal error:  Uncaught Error: Class "ORM" not found in /usr/share/webapps/tt-rss/classes/logger/sql.php:7
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2022-01-21 21:10:12	jelle	rip
2022-01-21 21:10:37	jelle	ah shit php 8.1 landed
2022-01-21 21:11:02	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-01-21 21:13:41	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-01-21 21:13:42	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1453 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1453 normals)
2022-01-21 21:13:44	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-21 21:16:52	post-factum	yeah, very kind of tt-rss maintainer to not test shit beforehand…
2022-01-21 21:17:16	jelle	I fear anatol is less active
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2022-01-21 21:23:08	magnus1	hey! so recently got a new laptop and installed arch on it. Was mostly working except for one thing: the wifi card was poorly supported by the kernel (5.16). The card was a mt9721, and i believe the driver was mainlined in 5.15, so quite new. Anyhow, the issue was that the driver wouldn't always probe (there is a bug on it at kernel.org) and the computer wouldn't come out of suspend, also due to
2022-01-21 21:23:10	magnus1	the wifi driver not resuming properly. So i figured, meh, no way im gonna try fixing this .. so i went out a bought a new wifi card (intel ax200) for the laptop. Intel has always been quite well supported in the kernel (IMO).. but this was almost as bad as the mediatek card. It got detected, but not always. Rebooting back and forth gave different results. There are lots of threads about it on
2022-01-21 21:23:12	magnus1	reddit (like https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/m99aaa/intelr_wifi_6_ax200_no_wlan_interface/) and arch forums. So i was kind of disappointed. There was some talks about booting into windows and disabling some kind of "fastboot" thing, but this card has never even been booted with windows. Since the laptop doesnt have ethernet, working wifi is kind of a big deal. Finally, I tried
2022-01-21 21:23:14	magnus1	installing a different distro (Pop OS) and wifi works great. Every time. Now Im trying to figure out why it wont work with arch, but cant see why. I ensured arch uses the same wifi firmware version. I tried reverting to linux-lts (which is very close to what pop os uses). I compared kernel module parameters (for the iwl* drivers), but pop os seems to use all the defaults (some forum threads
2022-01-21 21:23:16	magnus1	suggest disabling power savings etc,.. pop os does not). So im out of luck. I really want to use Arch because i dont like pop os (other than that wifi works...). Any ideas on what to do? Anyone have experience with Intel AX200 on 5.16.1 kernel?
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2022-01-21 21:24:53	post-factum	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73451
2022-01-21 21:24:55	phrik	Title: FS#73451 : [tt-rss] php 8.1 breaks stuff (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2022-01-21 21:25:40	beest	magnus1: essays go to https://bbs.archlinux.org/
2022-01-21 21:25:41	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-01-21 21:26:05	jelle	post-factum: assigned!
2022-01-21 21:26:05	post-factum	magnus1: why don't you report mt9721 issue to developers? they fixed various issues for me in the past with another mediatek card
2022-01-21 21:26:15	post-factum	jelle: thx
2022-01-21 21:26:20	magnus1	beest: right, thanks!
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2022-01-21 21:27:14	magnus1	post-factum: yeah, i think the probe issue is already patched but it'll be a while to get it mainline. Besides, already replaced the card :) 
2022-01-21 21:27:17	demonicmaniac1	better an essay with sufficient details than no info and having to ask 100 questions
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2022-01-21 21:29:13	demonicmaniac1	fastboot can generally be disabled on efi as well
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2022-01-21 21:29:36	demonicmaniac1	in efi it most often denotes going into a lower C state than actual s2ram deep sleep for faster wakeup and stuff
2022-01-21 21:29:42	demonicmaniac1	which does not reinitialize cards and shit
2022-01-21 21:30:12	magnus1	seems like a nifty feature, if the os support it :) 
2022-01-21 21:31:11	magnus1	the "bios" of this laptop is so minimal. there's virtually no advanced settings to make. perhaps i can manipulate the efi settings from linux? im no efi expert, but seen you can edit efi variables from using linux tools
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2022-01-21 21:36:06	demonicmaniac1	if pop works that can't be the issue though regarding efi variables or fastboot
2022-01-21 21:36:27	demonicmaniac1	the only thing i can think of you beyond different kernel is setting some acpi-osi stuff by pop maybe
2022-01-21 21:36:38	demonicmaniac1	check /proc/cmdline on pop boot vs arch boot
2022-01-21 21:36:55	bubbler	q
2022-01-21 21:36:57	bubbler	q
2022-01-21 21:37:00	teraflops	stay!
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2022-01-21 21:37:53	demonicmaniac1	the other thing potentially is that pop doesn't use systemd-sleep and other handlers, there's sadly more than one way to go to sleep and different ways to set hooks
2022-01-21 21:38:01	demonicmaniac1	i'd first check /proc/cmdline though
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2022-01-21 21:46:21	bertin0	Just installed arch on my new asus m16 and I got most stuff working (even the fingerprint using an experimental driver), but I'm just facing this really weird issue with sound volume only being applied to the high frequency of the sound (the bass stays at a constant level). Usiing pipewire, pipewire-pulse and wireplumber. Any clue what this could be about? 
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2022-01-21 21:48:45	Namarrgon	https://www.reddit.com/r/ZephyrusM16/comments/pit4r9/linux_anyone/hi1hcp7/
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2022-01-21 22:43:22	jimr	where did he come from where did he go
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2022-01-21 22:44:55	thrice	who
2022-01-21 22:45:06	jimr	lol cotteney joe
2022-01-21 22:45:08	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/6D3A what's this business?
2022-01-21 22:45:10	phrik	Title: View paste 6D3A (at bpa.st)
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2022-01-21 22:45:46	LordOfLive	hhaha
2022-01-21 22:46:20	thrice	sunyibo: try updating just pacman-keyring first
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2022-01-21 22:46:37	thrice	are you using an old install image or something?
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2022-01-21 22:47:45	sunyibo	yes
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2022-01-21 22:47:56	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/JODQ How can I do that from the iso?
2022-01-21 22:47:56	phrik	Title: View paste JODQ (at bpa.st)
2022-01-21 22:48:12	thrice	pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring on the iso
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2022-01-21 22:49:00	thrice	or, download a newer image if that doesn't work
2022-01-21 22:49:29	sunyibo	thanks! It's working. I wanted to be lazy and paid the price. (A bit less thanks to your help!)
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2022-01-21 23:06:28	fltrz	how do I pacman -Ss 'r-' to find any R (statistics software) packages, without spamming the whole terminal with packages that have words ending in r followed by a dash like ...indicator-panel...
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2022-01-21 23:07:47	jonathon	try the regexp start-of-line indicator "^", e.g. "^r-"
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2022-01-21 23:09:55	fltrz	jonathon: I tried but its also showing all the packages where the description starts with an R
2022-01-21 23:10:34	fltrz	basically I need a query to show me the R related packages, or at least those R related packages that start with 'r'
2022-01-21 23:10:37	evilop	-Ss searches both description and name
2022-01-21 23:10:49	fltrz	evilop: can I make it only search description?
2022-01-21 23:11:08	◣	mongy (~mongy@user/mongy) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.4)
2022-01-21 23:11:19	evilop	you can -Sl | ... instead
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2022-01-21 23:14:22	teraflops	http://ix.io/3N47
2022-01-21 23:14:28	teraflops	oops wrong buffer
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2022-01-21 23:14:59	fltrz	list all packages in the repos... so then I have to grep I guess?
2022-01-21 23:15:16	⚡ 	Earnestly steals teraflops' API keys
2022-01-21 23:15:20	evilop	grep, awk, rg, ag, whatever you want
2022-01-21 23:15:24	OneDev	hi guys
2022-01-21 23:15:33	Earnestly	evilop: grugutils
2022-01-21 23:15:43	OneDev	my laptop do not want to stay in the sleep mode. 
2022-01-21 23:15:50	evilop	throw on -q if you don't care about the version
2022-01-21 23:15:58	fltrz	evilop: its telling me repository ^r isn't found
2022-01-21 23:16:03	OneDev	what is the best way to diagnose what is doing IRQ calls that are waking the laptop from S3 sleep
2022-01-21 23:16:08	OneDev	?
2022-01-21 23:16:16	evilop	fltrz: man pacman, tl;dr naked -Sl
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2022-01-21 23:16:44	tt	any idea why i get no response from keyboard for ~30 seconds after boot or resume
2022-01-21 23:16:46	evilop	or with the repo the package(s) are in
2022-01-21 23:16:47	fltrz	what does naked denote in this context?
2022-01-21 23:16:58	tt	nothing in dmesg
2022-01-21 23:16:59	evilop	literally pacman -Sl | grep r-
2022-01-21 23:17:05	OneDev	evilop, any idea?
2022-01-21 23:17:08	fltrz	ah
2022-01-21 23:17:10	evilop	naked == no argument
2022-01-21 23:17:27	OneDev	tt, well you might actually have a problem with initramfs and hooks. 
2022-01-21 23:17:33	◣	ice9 (~ice9@user/ice9) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-01-21 23:17:37	OneDev	have you enabled them all properly? 
2022-01-21 23:18:03	OneDev	Is USB cable ok are you sure your keyboard is properly attached and read by the OS when booting?
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2022-01-21 23:18:49	OneDev	tt, do you have an LUKS encrypted?
2022-01-21 23:19:07	◥	ice9 (~ice9@user/ice9) has joined #archlinux
2022-01-21 23:19:09	OneDev	I mean how you know how much the keyboard is unavailable?
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2022-01-21 23:20:12	OneDev	You might just have set keyboard as the last hook in the mkinicpio.conf which would mean that all things including mount need to happen before your keyboard becomes available. 
2022-01-21 23:20:15	chazy	if a system doesn't have swap, why does it hang when an app tries to use as much ram as possible?
2022-01-21 23:20:46	lgflorentino	Hi Could somebody help me figure out when a package in commmunity-staging is going to hit community ?
2022-01-21 23:20:51	chazy	i mean is that considered a bug? shouldn't the kernel handle properly memory usage so that running apps can make full use of it without hanging?
2022-01-21 23:21:01	OneDev	However once the damn system is take the handling of IRQ your keyboard should be available no matter what is in the initramfs as it will be handled by kernel. 
2022-01-21 23:21:03	tt	OneDev: I do have luks encrpyted - but this seems to be something deeper. Even on livecd for multiplee distros it happens on boot
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2022-01-21 23:21:23	tt	its a laptop keyboard btw
2022-01-21 23:21:33	tt	i think its supposed to have a backlight but it doesnt, possibly related
2022-01-21 23:21:34	OneDev	tt, I guess then it should be a cable and connection of the keyboard to laptop.
2022-01-21 23:21:58	tt	its brand new, and only fail s for the first 30s after boot otherwise works flawlessly forever
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2022-01-21 23:22:14	tt	i think its this hp hardware being funky with linux
2022-01-21 23:22:15	OneDev	yeah make sure that connection is not loosen. it might un-attached or if you had some water spill that might happen.
2022-01-21 23:22:31	OneDev	IF you can replace the laptop keyboard or use external with USB cable.
2022-01-21 23:22:35	tt	if its loose it was loose from the factory
2022-01-21 23:22:52	OneDev	weird.
2022-01-21 23:23:00	OneDev	What type of laptop is it?
2022-01-21 23:23:02	tt	like i got it brand new, first thing i did was boot a liveusb
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2022-01-21 23:23:13	OneDev	Its not chromebook?
2022-01-21 23:23:17	tt	its some HP one
2022-01-21 23:23:17	◣	ice9 (~ice9@user/ice9) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-01-21 23:23:20	tt	nah came iwht windows 11
2022-01-21 23:23:31	OneDev	Elitebook? Pavillon?
2022-01-21 23:23:32	ℹ 	LordOfLive es conocido ahora como pshhh
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2022-01-21 23:23:36	tt	i belive pavillion line
2022-01-21 23:23:46	tt	its got 16gb rame, nvme ssd, intel i5
2022-01-21 23:24:04	OneDev	weird they do have realtively bad keyboard. I mean HP is known to have some of the worst keyboards on laptops.
2022-01-21 23:24:17	OneDev	I mean functionality wise low key walk.
2022-01-21 23:24:29	tt	yeah they even got rid of right Ctrl
2022-01-21 23:25:08	nyloc	Hi, bluetooth suddenly stopped working on my Lenovo X1 Extreme gen1. I read something about bluetooth issues with Kernel 5.15.x and 5.16.0 but I am now running 5.16.2, rfkill shows my bluetooth device as unblocked, but bluetoothctl list returns an empty list, any hints where else to look, or do I have to downgrade to 5.14.x Kernel?
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2022-01-21 23:25:29	ℹ 	pshhh es conocido ahora como LordOfLive
2022-01-21 23:25:33	evilop	did you try rebooting? also are you dualbooting?
2022-01-21 23:25:43	OneDev	does reboot fix the issue nyloc ?
2022-01-21 23:25:46	evilop	and what does the logs say?
2022-01-21 23:25:51	nyloc	I'm not dual booting and I tried hot and cold reboots
2022-01-21 23:26:17	nyloc	Journalctl -rp err gives me this:
2022-01-21 23:26:17	OneDev	which DE you run? Can you try using DE utils to enable and not cli? 
2022-01-21 23:26:18	nyloc	Jan 21 23:18:21 fls-ag-desktop kernel: Bluetooth: hci0: Failed to read MSFT supported features (-110)
2022-01-21 23:26:18	nyloc	Jan 21 23:18:21 fls-ag-desktop kernel: Bluetooth: hci0: command 0xfc1e tx timeout
2022-01-21 23:26:19	nyloc	Jan 21 23:18:19 fls-ag-desktop kernel: Bluetooth: hci0: Device boot timeout
2022-01-21 23:26:24	LordOfLive	...
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2022-01-21 23:26:38	evilop	just one line short of becoming a hero
2022-01-21 23:26:48	OneDev	hahaha
2022-01-21 23:26:53	nyloc	If I run blueman-manager I just get
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2022-01-21 23:27:08	nyloc	No adapter(s) found, exiting
2022-01-21 23:27:43	teraflops	nyloc: not using windows vm either (pci passthrough)?
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2022-01-21 23:28:08	nyloc	Using a Windows VM but no pci(e) passthrough configured
2022-01-21 23:28:23	nyloc	VM is Win 10 with KVM
2022-01-21 23:28:29	teraflops	not the first time I see booting the vm fixes the issue
2022-01-21 23:28:37	nyloc	Tried this too
2022-01-21 23:28:40	teraflops	but this might not be the case
2022-01-21 23:29:02	nyloc	did not help in my case, I also tried unloading btusb kernel module and reloading it
2022-01-21 23:29:17	nyloc	which resulted in rfkill showing one blueetooth device less
2022-01-21 23:29:19	teraflops	does it work w/ prvious kernels?
2022-01-21 23:29:30	OneDev	so guys how to diagnose the S3 sleep issue and IRQs? 
2022-01-21 23:29:45	nyloc	It worked until 3 weeks ago before my 3 week vacation ;)
2022-01-21 23:29:56	nyloc	so I did a update and bam no longer working
2022-01-21 23:29:56	OneDev	I tired disabling interrupts and removing the usb connected devices and still the laptop wake up from S3 sleep
2022-01-21 23:29:56	teraflops	tried tls one? 
2022-01-21 23:30:21	thrice	probably lts ^
2022-01-21 23:30:22	nyloc	Not yet but a good Idea
2022-01-21 23:30:26	nyloc	I will try
2022-01-21 23:30:32	teraflops	ah heh sorry yeah
2022-01-21 23:31:08	⚡ 	teraflops always have both linux and linux-lts installed just un case
2022-01-21 23:31:21	teraflops	has^
2022-01-21 23:31:50	fltrz	can't even use yay, nor the online AUR package search, it gives up at h
2022-01-21 23:32:33	evilop	so no i?
2022-01-21 23:33:07	OneDev	cat /proc/acpi/wakeup does not help
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2022-01-21 23:35:27	nyloc	I will try to boot the lts kernel, but as this is 5.15.16, lets see... brb
2022-01-21 23:35:35	nyloc	Thanks for your help
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2022-01-21 23:36:24	OneDev	how to disable this entry which do not have a device name?
2022-01-21 23:36:25	OneDev	PS2K	  S3	*disabled  pnp:00:04
2022-01-21 23:36:25	OneDev			*enabled   serio:serio0
2022-01-21 23:36:25	OneDev	PS2M	  S3	*disabled  pnp:00:05
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2022-01-21 23:39:13	nyloc	Same problem with LTS Kernel (Bluetooth: hci0: Device boot timeout) is still there during boot
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2022-01-21 23:39:33	ℹ 	LordOfLive es conocido ahora como pshhh
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2022-01-21 23:40:34	OneDev	oh damn is there any community that can help with suspend issues?
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2022-01-21 23:41:08	teraflops	nyloc: which device is that?
2022-01-21 23:41:18	Namarrgon	OneDev: we suspended it and don't know how to resume it
2022-01-21 23:41:43	teraflops	heh there's a bug report
2022-01-21 23:41:53	nyloc	teraflops: Bus 001 Device 007: ID 8087:0aaa Intel Corp. Bluetooth 9460/9560 Jefferson Peak (JfP)
2022-01-21 23:41:56	OneDev	Namarrgon, lol. 
2022-01-21 23:42:30	OneDev	Actually not sure what all I need to disable to have suspend not getting wake up immediately.
2022-01-21 23:43:03	OneDev	Disabling all of those triggers from /proc/acpi/wakeup except serio is not helping suspend.
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2022-01-21 23:43:18	OneDev	I probably need to disable USB devices all at suspend.
2022-01-21 23:43:58	nyloc	I could try starting my vm and pass the bluetooth usb device into it to see if it works there.
2022-01-21 23:44:45	teraflops	hmm, nyloc tried to put thelaptop to sleep and then resume?
2022-01-21 23:44:54	teraflops	laptop or whatever it is
2022-01-21 23:45:03	nyloc	Yeah its a laptop
2022-01-21 23:45:07	nyloc	I will try
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2022-01-21 23:45:30	nyloc	kvm just crashed while forwarding the bluetooth usb device to the VM
2022-01-21 23:45:30	teraflops	I see issues regarding cold vs warm boot
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2022-01-21 23:46:09	nyloc	Could not redirect USB Gerät Input/Output Error
2022-01-21 23:46:30	nyloc	interesting denglish error message
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2022-01-21 23:46:34	teraflops	heh
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2022-01-21 23:46:57	ℹ 	LordOfLive es conocido ahora como pshhh
2022-01-21 23:47:12	nyloc	So I try with suspending resuming
2022-01-21 23:47:12	teraflops	that might be related to the kernel module already loaded I think
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2022-01-21 23:49:41	OneDev	what prograp is providing the uswsusp
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2022-01-21 23:55:48	ℹ 	Sid_ es conocido ahora como Sid
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2022-01-22 00:04:58	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-01-22 00:04:58	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1430 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1430 normals)
2022-01-22 00:04:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-22 00:06:57	fltrz	so both yay and the online package search form cant show me the packages that start with 'r-' and error out (yay) or stop around letter h : https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=2250&SeB=b&K=r-&SB=n&SO=a&PP=250&do_Search=Go
2022-01-22 00:06:58	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - Search Criteria: r- (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-01-22 00:08:02	fltrz	pacman, yay and the search form are all implicitly premised on the idea that a package name is longer than a letter or 2, which in the case of r or its additional packages r-* becomes unusable
2022-01-22 00:08:44	NetSysFire	error out in what way?
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2022-01-22 00:10:03	nyloc	teraflops: suspend resume did not work either, so I think I will check tomorrow with a live system to see if it still works there.
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2022-01-22 00:11:29	fltrz	NetSysFire: yay -Ss 'r-' -> Error during AUR search: status 200: Too many package results.
2022-01-22 00:11:32	fltrz	-> Showing repo packages only -> no query was executed
2022-01-22 00:11:41	NetSysFire	hm
2022-01-22 00:11:56	NetSysFire	theres #archlinux-aurweb
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2022-01-22 00:17:04	teraflops	nyloc: ;(
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2022-01-22 00:17:18	teraflops	fltrz: search by description then
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2022-01-22 00:17:34	teraflops	it's their fault for using a one letter name :P
2022-01-22 00:18:05	teraflops	fltrz: as in https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0&SeB=nd&K=Language+and+environment+for+statis&outdated=&SB=n&SO=a&PP=50&do_Search=Go
2022-01-22 00:18:09	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - Search Criteria: Language and environment for statis (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2022-01-22 00:20:15	teraflops	pacman -sS "statistic" works as well
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2022-01-22 00:23:42	ℹ 	LordOfLive es conocido ahora como pshhh
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2022-01-22 00:31:56	ℹ 	LordOfLive es conocido ahora como pshhh
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2022-01-22 11:57:19	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-22 11:51:55	zillex	Hi, 
2022-01-22 11:51:55	zillex	I have a problem pretaining to my Vulkan, it runs VkCube and VkCube3 and vkinfo. 
2022-01-22 11:51:55	zillex	But it seems to be unable to initialize when used with steam, the error appears to be ERROR_OUT_OF_HOST_MEMORY.
2022-01-22 11:51:55	zillex	That is strange because I should have RAM Swap and GPU VRAM left to spare.
2022-01-22 11:51:55	zillex	Any help is greatly appreciated!
2022-01-22 11:57:19	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-22 12:00:45	uuidNuni1	i just found a bug!
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2022-01-22 12:06:19	teraflops	🐞
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2022-01-22 12:06:57	evilop	zillex: https://media.makeameme.org/created/laughing-in-vulcan.jpg
2022-01-22 12:07:27	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-01-22 12:07:27	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-22 12:07:29	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-22 12:10:17	ℹ 	xoan3 es conocido ahora como xoan
2022-01-22 12:10:40	teraflops	he is clearly laughing, look at his eyebrows ;)
2022-01-22 12:12:15	ℹ 	evilop es conocido ahora como pantsu
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2022-01-22 12:16:52	sandman13	Hmm. Seems like "Master" (from pipewire) and the actual card's volume are mismatched.
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2022-01-22 12:19:03	sandman13	All the way to 0 in Master, Headphones' (from actual card) volume is also 0, +1 in Master, +15 in the Headphones 
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2022-01-22 12:19:34	Warepire	sandman13: https://coomer.party/onlyfans/user/ssbbwroxxie
2022-01-22 12:19:35	phrik	Title: Posts of ssbbwroxxie from OnlyFans | Coomer (at coomer.party)
2022-01-22 12:19:39	Warepire	Sorry, wrong link
2022-01-22 12:19:44	Ghosthree3	._.
2022-01-22 12:19:58	Warepire	sandman13: CMI8788 related card?
2022-01-22 12:19:59	sandman13	lmao
2022-01-22 12:20:07	sandman13	>coomer
2022-01-22 12:20:17	◣	humberto1 (~humbertow@189.236.30.209) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-01-22 12:20:22	Warepire	(peolpe send me weird stuff..)
2022-01-22 12:20:31	Ghosthree3	sure man
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2022-01-22 12:21:27	sandman13	00:1f.3 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation Tiger Lake-LP Smart Sound Technology Audio Controller (rev 20)
2022-01-22 12:21:34	ℹ 	cirno es conocido ahora como koi
2022-01-22 12:21:49	sandman13	that's what `lspci | grep -i audio` reports
2022-01-22 12:21:50	ℹ 	koi es conocido ahora como cirno
2022-01-22 12:22:05	Warepire	Ok, then no.
2022-01-22 12:22:33	Warepire	(those CMI8788 cards have a bug where you can't %-step)
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2022-01-22 12:34:34	hussam	hello.
2022-01-22 12:35:33	◣	naranja (~orange@user/orangeboxcutter) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-01-22 12:36:03	hussam	How do I return in a script, the pid of a process by the whole command line and not just the process name? for example, myapp --optionA. I was to return the pid of whatever has optionA.
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2022-01-22 12:41:08	ℹ 	leonarth_ es conocido ahora como leonarth
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2022-01-22 12:44:38	pantsu	what is the use case?
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2022-01-22 12:45:04	pantsu	and why are you not using systemd-run / a service?
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2022-01-22 12:48:30	Khorne	hussam, pgrep -f
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2022-01-22 12:49:17	hussam	Khorne: Awesome. thanks.
2022-01-22 12:49:35	Khorne	consider that this could be multiple matches
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2022-01-22 12:50:24	hussam	Khorne: Ok.
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2022-01-22 13:43:43	moldorcoder7	cinnamon os restarting and im back to lightdm when i launch blender 
2022-01-22 13:44:01	moldorcoder7	anybody else having this issue ?
2022-01-22 13:45:07	s0lid7	No, but for blender it is better to download from their site and run it from the downloaded folder
2022-01-22 13:46:03	Lartza	Says who?
2022-01-22 13:46:08	s0lid7	Then make a .desktop file in applications folder to have its icon too as with normal application
2022-01-22 13:46:36	s0lid7	Says me who can't make blender work with cuda when downloading it from arch repo
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2022-01-22 13:47:00	Lartza	All it should need is the two steps described in the wiki *shrug*
2022-01-22 13:47:01	moldorcoder7	ok, i never had issue in years
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2022-01-22 13:47:39	Mathisen	hello, i seem to get som fails on boot. no realy sure what or why https://bpa.st/7E5Q 
2022-01-22 13:47:40	phrik	Title: View paste 7E5Q (at bpa.st)
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2022-01-22 13:47:42	moldorcoder7	restarting the de when launching an app is new too :)
2022-01-22 13:48:04	s0lid7	run it from terminal and watch the output
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2022-01-22 13:48:17	s0lid7	Oh it is restarting you said :/
2022-01-22 13:48:47	moldorcoder7	yeah, the all cinnamon :yu
2022-01-22 13:49:36	Lartza	There is this bug report in relation to CUDA fwiw https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/72921?project=5&string=blender (not related to this issue)
2022-01-22 13:49:38	phrik	Title: FS#72921 : [blender] Blender 3.0 is lacking Nvidia Optix support (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-01-22 13:49:54	Lartza	But CUDA should still work
2022-01-22 13:51:23	moldorcoder7	ok , there was a linux-lts update , i will reboot and check
2022-01-22 13:51:27	moldorcoder7	dont see nada in logs
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2022-01-22 13:53:22	s0lid7	I don't use optix my card doesn't support it
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2022-01-22 13:57:49	moldorcoder7	ok works now, looks like yesterday kernek had an issue with nvidia
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2022-01-22 13:58:12	s0lid7	Nice :)
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2022-01-22 16:56:09	hashworks	Does anyone know how to do a negative lookahead with pacman -s regexes? (?!foo) should work with the used regex.h but I keep getting "invalid regular expression"
2022-01-22 17:04:46	demize	POSIX regexps don't have lookaheads.
2022-01-22 17:59:49	fenugrec	bleh. Compiling "linux-git" from aur gives me a "5.16.0" kernel, which works (yay), but the version in Core is 5.16.2 (??), which doesn't work
2022-01-22 18:00:16	fenugrec	how can Core be ahead of linux-git ? or are they just generating pkgver differently
2022-01-22 18:01:11	Namarrgon	linus hasn't tagged an RC yet so you get 5.16+ instead
2022-01-22 18:01:47	Namarrgon	the stable releases are maintained not by linus but by GKH instead
2022-01-22 18:04:03	fenugrec	oic
2022-01-22 18:04:23	Namarrgon	what are you after exactly?
2022-01-22 18:05:54	fenugrec	suspend problems. Used to work, up to lts 5.10.90, then a few 5.15.* didn't work (systemctl suspend would cause a reboot with no visible errors), 5.16.2 from our repos also failed, and linux-git finally works again
2022-01-22 18:06:27	Namarrgon	did arch's 5.16 or 5.16.1 work?
2022-01-22 18:07:10	fenugrec	I can't find in my notes if I tried those. You think it would be worth testing ? a bit annoying to troubleshoot, I've rebooted a dozen times already today
2022-01-22 18:07:47	Namarrgon	whether it's worth it depends on how much time you want to invest into this
2022-01-22 18:08:03	Namarrgon	-U the package from the archive, reboot and see what happens
2022-01-22 18:08:15	fenugrec	yeah, my gut feeling is even if I come up with a perfect bisect, file a kernel bug report, it's just going to rot in their tracker
2022-01-22 18:09:02	fenugrec	but yeah, for great justice, I can try 5.16{,.1} from the archive, at least I don't have to compile those. Hadn't had to compile a kernel in years...
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2022-01-22 18:35:06	Mathisen	quick question: im trying to use a python libary but it complains on this " NOTE: You must install tkinter on Linux to use MouseInfo. Run the following: sudo apt-get install python3-tk python3-dev " but i cant seem to find those package with pacman 
2022-01-22 18:35:19	Mathisen	am i missing something or are they just not there
2022-01-22 18:35:54	Namarrgon	"pacman -Si python" -> opt-deps
2022-01-22 18:36:47	Mathisen	thanks!
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2022-01-22 20:31:28	TheDcoder	Is archinstall officially supported now?
2022-01-22 20:31:52	TheDcoder	I mean, is it part of the recommended ways to install arch?
2022-01-22 20:32:20	TheDcoder	Are we going to get a Live CD with a GUI installer soon? :P
2022-01-22 20:33:03	Namarrgon	it's "supported" but i wouldn't recommend it to any newbie
2022-01-22 20:33:39	TheDcoder	Namarrgon: Oh, why is that? I thought the whole point of archinstall was to make it easier to install
2022-01-22 20:34:09	TheDcoder	Is it more like an automation tool for deployment?
2022-01-22 20:34:13	BrainDamage	no, it makes it easier to automate installations
2022-01-22 20:34:19	TheDcoder	snap
2022-01-22 20:34:26	TheDcoder	got it
2022-01-22 20:34:32	Namarrgon	that approach has the same problems as all the other install scripts, it dumps newbies into an environment they didn't set up, don't understand and can't help debug
2022-01-22 20:34:55	nicholaus04	Then again, the only gripe i have about it was both manual and archinstall did get GRUB installed, but would not even detect my primary partition. So for archinstall, i chose NOT to install GRUB.
2022-01-22 20:35:14	Namarrgon	and then there's the bugs, too :p
2022-01-22 20:35:34	nicholaus04	But other than that, it's perfect. But if you still want flexibility, then installing arch the old fashioned way is still recommended.
2022-01-22 20:35:42	BrainDamage	part of the installation is making informed choices about your setup, even "wrong" choices are still choices
2022-01-22 20:35:56	BrainDamage	which you have to know when debugging issues
2022-01-22 20:35:58	TheDcoder	Namarrgon: I agree
2022-01-22 20:36:12	TheDcoder	there's bugs? Is archinstall still in beta?
2022-01-22 20:36:37	Namarrgon	the advantage of an official installer is that we have at least a rough idea of what it's doing
2022-01-22 20:38:28	Namarrgon	TheDcoder: it's setting up a complex system with hundreds of moving parts, there will always be bugs
2022-01-22 20:38:49	Namarrgon	(understatement of the year)
2022-01-22 20:40:31	nicholaus04	Of course as expected with linux, when ya need to do something, sometimes, you have to get your hands dirty.
2022-01-22 20:41:50	nicholaus04	And i really didn't expect the whole thing to become a discussion about archinstall's flaws and such, didn't mean for that to occur.
2022-01-22 20:42:15	Namarrgon	nobody got hurt
2022-01-22 20:42:38	Namarrgon	we're just collectively allergic to third-party installers
2022-01-22 20:42:58	BrainDamage	!grab Namarrgon 
2022-01-22 20:42:58	phrik	BrainDamage: Tada!
2022-01-22 20:43:18	nicholaus04	Again, the bot commands here are clever.
2022-01-22 20:44:04	Mathisen	how did you list all installed packages from AUR again ?
2022-01-22 20:44:22	nicholaus04	Heck, i pretty much built audacious, ioq3, netradiant, and srb2k all from source.
2022-01-22 20:44:58	nicholaus04	Oh, the dedication.
2022-01-22 20:45:26	Namarrgon	Mathisen: you can't, the AUR contains no packages. what you can do is list the foreign packages.
2022-01-22 20:45:46	Namarrgon	i.e. packages that are not currently found in any binary repo
2022-01-22 20:46:13	Namarrgon	those could be packages built from AUR PKGBUILDs or just orphans that were dropped from the official repos
2022-01-22 20:46:21	Mathisen	maybe a dumb question but does that include stuff installed with pip ?
2022-01-22 20:46:44	another|	no
2022-01-22 20:46:58	Mathisen	ok, then how do i list all foreign packages :)
2022-01-22 20:47:06	Namarrgon	pacman -Qh
2022-01-22 20:47:23	nicholaus04	Ya learn something new everyday.
2022-01-22 20:47:29	TheDcoder	Mathisen: pacman -U *.pkg
2022-01-22 20:47:44	TheDcoder	oh wait, sorry
2022-01-22 20:47:58	TheDcoder	misread your message as "how do I install foreign packages"
2022-01-22 20:48:38	intjtlgl[m]	its pacman -Qm
2022-01-22 20:48:39	TheDcoder	Namarrgon: Right, but doesn't the archinstall come with only a few standard installation "scripts"?
2022-01-22 20:49:16	intjtlgl[m]	its pacman -q added if you don't want the versions included if you wanted to make a file you can use in a script to reinstall via a package manager 
2022-01-22 20:49:31	Mathisen	ok so it just the -m flag thank
2022-01-22 20:49:34	TheDcoder	by the way... I am pretty sure there are binary repos out there that I dedicated to building packages from AUR :P
2022-01-22 20:49:46	TheDcoder	s/I/are
2022-01-22 20:49:51	intjtlgl[m]	yea n is native m is foreign
2022-01-22 20:50:03	intjtlgl[m]	but its part of the Q option
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2022-01-22 21:31:49	kulak	so, I've read on BTRFS and its stability and I think I will pass on it. This was an influential article: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/09/examining-btrfs-linuxs-perpetually-half-finished-filesystem/
2022-01-22 21:31:51	phrik	Title: Examining btrfs, Linux’s perpetually half-finished filesystem | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com)
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2022-01-22 21:32:16	kulak	So, I might take a plunge and learn LVM + XFS or LVM + ext4
2022-01-22 21:32:43	Earnestly	Why even bothers with lvm
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2022-01-22 21:55:03	kulak	My /proc/cmdline lists BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-linux.  Does it mean I am using linux kernel?  I am confused by vmlinuz- prefix.
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2022-01-22 21:58:08	Khorne	yes
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2022-01-22 22:01:28	another|	LVM gives you flexibility. even on single disk notebooks
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2022-01-22 22:03:08	another|	kulak: that arstechnica article is... well. Read it carefully and see if you reach the same conclusions.
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2022-01-22 22:03:43	kulak	another|, I am not really an expert on this things.
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2022-01-22 22:05:21	kulak	I am starting to come to conclusion that with so much complexity with LVM I might just lean how to setup ZFS as root.  This resource seems to be very detailed: https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Arch%20Linux/index.html#root-on-zfs
2022-01-22 22:05:22	phrik	Title: Arch Linux — OpenZFS documentation (at openzfs.github.io)
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2022-01-22 22:06:12	kulak	and ZFS receives nothing, but rock solid opinions
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2022-01-22 22:06:58	another|	Have not tried it due to licensing issues.
2022-01-22 22:07:19	kulak	I am at home.  That's not an issue.  
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2022-01-22 22:37:47	ℹ 	finn_elija es conocido ahora como FinnElija
2022-01-22 22:38:40	gumbo	whats the diffrence between transmission-gtk – GTK 3 graphical interface. and transmission-qt – Qt 5 graphical interface. other then qt3 and qt5 ?
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2022-01-22 22:39:18	gumbo	im going with qt5 i already have it installed
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2022-01-22 22:40:10	thrice	one is GTK toolkit, the other is Qt
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2022-01-22 22:40:34	thrice	you probably have GTK too, since both major web browsers depend on it
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2022-01-22 22:41:57	gumbo	ok thanks
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2022-01-22 22:54:54	ℹ 	tpr2 es conocido ahora como tpr
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2022-01-22 23:03:59	rairden	If I run a script as sudo it opens a GUI w/ a light gtk theme as opposed to dark. How to fix that?
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2022-01-22 23:04:24	emanuele6	change the gtk for the root user
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2022-01-22 23:04:51	emanuele6	e.g. with    sudo whatever_tool_you_use_to_change_gtk_theme
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2022-01-22 23:06:32	emanuele6	( sudo lxappearance )
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2022-01-22 23:07:58	DeepDayze	To me it makes sense to keep root gtk light as you know it's running as root
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2022-01-22 23:08:24	DeepDayze	Such as opening an editor in root so you can edit a config file for example
2022-01-22 23:08:52	DeepDayze	That wayb you know you are running that as root and not as your regular user
2022-01-22 23:09:13	BrainDamage	yeah, like typing the pw for sudo, it's useful as alarm bell to engage brain before continuing
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2022-01-22 23:10:18	DeepDayze	exactly. If you are running some gui app as root then you know it if the interface is light..thus warning you to take care 
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2022-01-22 23:14:58	Earnestly	I came to this decision by accident of laziness
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2022-01-22 23:20:04	ℹ 	indux1 es conocido ahora como indux
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2022-01-22 23:22:09	ℹ 	tpr es conocido ahora como [1]
2022-01-22 23:22:27	ℹ 	[1] es conocido ahora como {}
2022-01-22 23:22:28	ℹ 	{} es conocido ahora como Guest1290
2022-01-22 23:22:50	ℹ 	Guest1290 es conocido ahora como tpr
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2022-01-22 23:31:01	randomxusr	Trying to install on Vbox with UEFI, but the Vbox UEFI implentation is using a hybrid BIOS/UEFI and I was able to recognise the disk with the Map of hd0,gpt2 from the command line. Where should I enter that line such that building grub, it will see the hard drive/partition?
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2022-01-22 23:32:08	DeepDayze	Vbox with UEFI seems to be kind of buggy IMO but it may or may not work for every use case
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2022-01-22 23:32:42	gumbo	im trying to access this usb drive but its ntfs and arch gives me an error when trying to mount it. im following https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NTFS and it dosen't say to modprobe or anything. any ideas?
2022-01-22 23:32:43	phrik	Title: NTFS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-22 23:32:58	DeepDayze	Trying to install Win11?
2022-01-22 23:33:10	DeepDayze	as guest that is?
2022-01-22 23:33:12	Betal	gumbo: what error
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2022-01-22 23:33:21	gumbo	DeepDayze: nope need to transfer some stuff between arch and windows laptops
2022-01-22 23:33:25	DeepDayze	Ah
2022-01-22 23:33:28	thrice	!errors
2022-01-22 23:33:29	phrik	Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2022-01-22 23:33:29	gumbo	Betal: let me unplug and replug
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2022-01-22 23:34:00	DeepDayze	oh gotcha man
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2022-01-22 23:34:29	gumbo	error unknown filesystem type ntfs3,ntfs
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2022-01-22 23:36:14	gumbo	how can i see if the kernel has it loaded or loaded as a moduel?
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2022-01-22 23:36:44	gumbo	ntfs3                 274432  0
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2022-01-22 23:37:47	thrice	"lsmod"
2022-01-22 23:37:56	gumbo	yea i ran lsmod |grep ntfs
2022-01-22 23:37:57	thrice	!kernelcheck
2022-01-22 23:37:58	phrik	compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
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2022-01-22 23:39:07	gumbo	https://dpaste.org/7tJG
2022-01-22 23:39:10	phrik	Title: dpaste/7tJG (Python) (at dpaste.org)
2022-01-22 23:39:11	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oofl.txt
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2022-01-22 23:42:35	thrice	what command are you using to mount?
2022-01-22 23:43:00	gumbo	thrice: im not, i plug it in and nautilus pops up with that error
2022-01-22 23:43:38	thrice	if you try mounting by hand (mount -t ntfs3 /dev/sdxY /mnt) is it different?
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2022-01-22 23:45:15	gumbo	ok let me try
2022-01-22 23:45:39	topcat001	Regarding transmission, why not install the text version (cli) and use the browser to control it?
2022-01-22 23:46:16	gumbo	sda         ntfs               0726BBEA0DA37356                       28.8G     0% /mnt
2022-01-22 23:46:27	gumbo	wierd why would it give me that error if i can mount it
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2022-01-22 23:47:35	thrice	a quick google returns https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/-/issues/2027
2022-01-22 23:47:38	phrik	Title: [Unknown filesystem type 'ntfs3, ntfs'] Can't mount a NTFS partition in Nautilus without ntfs-3g driver, using only ntfs3 Linux kernel driver, introduced since Linux 5.15. (#2027) · Issues · GNOME / Files · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
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2022-01-22 23:48:33	thrice	the linked udisks bug doesn't sound promising :D
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2022-01-22 23:51:55	gumbo	ok thanks all
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2022-01-23 00:45:55	Dan39	vmware AND qemu?
2022-01-23 00:57:01	nothereisnotanam	no the vmware graphics backend for qemu
2022-01-23 00:57:02	nothereisnotanam	wiht -vga=vmware
2022-01-23 00:57:17	nothereisnotanam	supposedly has better performance
2022-01-23 00:58:21	Dan39	ah
2022-01-23 00:58:25	Dan39	what are you trying to do in the VM?
2022-01-23 00:58:41	Dan39	i can't really help though, but i'm curious
2022-01-23 00:59:48	Betal	what player can play all audio tracks from same video file? having problem with mvp when trying to use --lavfi-complex='[aid1] [aid2] [aid3] amix [ao]'
2022-01-23 01:00:34	Namarrgon	play them all at the same time?
2022-01-23 01:02:29	Betal	Namarrgon: yes, they are related, but split by content or type of content, to make life easy when editing if needed
2022-01-23 01:02:56	Dan39	/soundchaosdebug
2022-01-23 01:03:22	Betal	Namarrgon: atleast this lavfi-complex 'amix' works with 2 tracks
2022-01-23 01:16:27	nothereisnotanam	<Dan39> "what are you trying to do in the..." <- im tring to get better performance for graphics
2022-01-23 01:16:29	nothereisnotanam	as in guis
2022-01-23 01:16:38	Dan39	ok
2022-01-23 01:16:46	nothereisnotanam	so I changed qemu to use a different backend
2022-01-23 01:16:49	Dan39	sorry i can't help :(
2022-01-23 01:17:14	nothereisnotanam	but it needs drivers in the guest
2022-01-23 01:17:15	nothereisnotanam	and I dont know which one
2022-01-23 01:17:47	Dan39	the guest is arch too?
2022-01-23 01:20:41	nothereisnotanam	the guest is arch
2022-01-23 01:21:33	nothereisnotanam	the host really doesnt matter (im using either arch or macos, it depends which im currently using)
2022-01-23 01:22:00	Dan39	did you try to install vmware-tools on guest?
2022-01-23 01:22:10	Dan39	there is an AUR package for it
2022-01-23 01:26:47	Dan39	Net Upgrade Size:      -567.09 MiB
2022-01-23 01:26:51	Dan39	i love when that happens
2022-01-23 01:29:00	Dan39	nothereisnotanam: you're right to be asking here, i'm not having much luck googling it either :|
2022-01-23 01:33:01	Dan39	nothereisnotanam: is it supposed to be better than Spice?
2022-01-23 01:41:53	Betal	Namarrgon: it works using amix=3 \o
2022-01-23 01:48:50	nothereisnotanam	wait, I found it on the qemu archwiki page
2022-01-23 01:56:00	Dan39	nothereisnotanam: i swear i was looking there... :|
2022-01-23 01:56:21	Dan39	oh, there it is
2022-01-23 01:56:23	Dan39	derp
2022-01-23 01:56:36	DeepDayze	Lol
2022-01-23 02:00:23	nothereisnotanam	but it kinda doesnt work, il just use the default
2022-01-23 02:00:49	nothereisnotanam	also is using gnome software safe
2022-01-23 02:00:55	nothereisnotanam	will it cuae partial updates
2022-01-23 02:02:08	Dan39	what do you mean partial updates? like if you shutdown in the middle of it running updates? good question...
2022-01-23 02:03:38	Dan39	i believe gnome software uses packagekit which should inhibit shutdown until safe
2022-01-23 02:03:57	Dan39	even when running shutdown command i've run in to that
2022-01-23 02:06:01	nothereisnotanam	Dan39: no, when some packages are updated but no others
2022-01-23 02:06:19	nothereisnotanam	as in pacman -Sy
2022-01-23 02:06:32	Dan39	hmm
2022-01-23 02:06:36	nothereisnotanam	instead of pacman -Syu
2022-01-23 02:06:40	Dan39	right, i see now
2022-01-23 02:06:46	Dan39	i'm not sure how it handles that
2022-01-23 02:07:05	Dan39	but you would probably know if you were doing that
2022-01-23 02:08:40	Dan39	archlinux is like that, it kinda expects you to follow some admin'ing guidelines. it isn't completely newb proof
2022-01-23 02:10:31	nothereisnotanam	Dan39: im not a noob, its just I wanted to try gnomes latest fancy gui, I heard it properly supports flatpacks now
2022-01-23 02:10:50	nothereisnotanam	Ive been using plain pacman for ages now
2022-01-23 02:11:22	Dan39	ah, yes i think it does. i wonder if the default archlinux install of it will just work
2022-01-23 02:12:39	nothereisnotanam	you have to install  gnome-software-packagekit-plugin for native arch packages
2022-01-23 02:12:44	nothereisnotanam	but it manages flatpacks by default
2022-01-23 02:13:15	nothereisnotanam	though I thinl thats the only thing it should, becuase it might partial update important stuff, then you can boot
2022-01-23 02:14:24	Dan39	i avoid flatpacks or similar
2022-01-23 02:16:56	nothereisnotanam	I only use them for gui apps
2022-01-23 02:17:02	DeepDayze	I find flatpaks or appimages to be rather slow in performance
2022-01-23 02:17:18	DeepDayze	not to mention bloated
2022-01-23 02:18:03	nothereisnotanam	I dont want it pulling hundreds of libraries into my system
2022-01-23 02:18:14	nothereisnotanam	DeepDayze: after startup, they are basicaly the same
2022-01-23 02:18:15	nothereisnotanam	what hardware
2022-01-23 02:18:15	nothereisnotanam	the bloat is just taken out of a sandbox and put on the host system when you install native packages
2022-01-23 02:18:18	nothereisnotanam	beter to keep it in a single folder
2022-01-23 02:24:06	DeepDayze	Basically all flatpaks are in a single folder
2022-01-23 02:24:37	DeepDayze	just that runtimes tend to be duplicated in apps as well as its dependencies
2022-01-23 02:24:57	Dan39	tbh i haven't really given flatpak a chance, the ones i've used more often is snaps
2022-01-23 02:25:18	DeepDayze	Never really used snaps
2022-01-23 02:25:35	DeepDayze	Appimage is another format too
2022-01-23 02:26:08	Dan39	hmm
2022-01-23 02:26:12	Dan39	too many
2022-01-23 02:26:15	Dan39	:P
2022-01-23 02:26:41	Dan39	if gnome has chosen flatpak tho, i have a feeling that will take the lead
2022-01-23 02:28:24	nothereisnotanam	DeepDayze: but it is like a plain binary, but bundeled dependencies
2022-01-23 02:28:35	nothereisnotanam	something has to manage them
2022-01-23 02:28:58	DeepDayze	yeah got to think of them like that
2022-01-23 02:29:19	DeepDayze	Flatpak is pretty much the dominant app format now
2022-01-23 02:29:31	DeepDayze	Flathub is the major repo for them
2022-01-23 02:29:49	nothereisnotanam	Dan39: fedora / red hats say flatpacks teh future, the gn0ome dev docs say to use flatpak
2022-01-23 02:30:11	nothereisnotanam	only canocal wants snaps
2022-01-23 02:30:21	DeepDayze	Most distros have the packages to install and manage flatpaks
2022-01-23 02:30:33	DeepDayze	Snap is not all that often used except on Ubuntu
2022-01-23 02:30:45	nothereisnotanam	and appimages have very little support
2022-01-23 02:31:39	nothereisnotanam	yeah I think flatpak is going to win in the gui space, but for system stuff, or des native package management is going to stay
2022-01-23 02:32:16	thrice	I wouldn't hate something like core-os for a "core" package
2022-01-23 02:32:56	Dan39	i bet canonical will change
2022-01-23 02:33:14	Dan39	just like they did with Unity and Upstart
2022-01-23 02:33:29	DeepDayze	I doubt Canonical will change..but they just may if Flathub takes the lead
2022-01-23 02:33:40	nothereisnotanam	thrice: I think gui apps belong as flatpaks, but system apps and "core" gui apps like gnome-software or ccontroll-center should be native
2022-01-23 02:33:59	Dan39	they used Unity for quite a few years/releases i believe, and then once day bam back to Gnome...
2022-01-23 02:34:04	DeepDayze	Flatpak*
2022-01-23 02:34:43	Dan39	nothereisnotanam: fedora is doing that
2022-01-23 02:34:52	DeepDayze	Things like browsers, games and maybe new experimental packages be in flatpaks as well
2022-01-23 02:35:13	DeepDayze	Flatpak can act as a sort of sandbox too
2022-01-23 02:35:43	DeepDayze	Libreoffice is in a flatpak I believe too
2022-01-23 02:35:46	nothereisnotanam	DeepDayze: only if the apps supports it, or you set it manually
2022-01-23 02:35:51	nothereisnotanam	Dan39: my arch system basically does that
2022-01-23 02:35:56	DeepDayze	True that
2022-01-23 02:36:05	Dan39	Fedora Silverblue i think is it
2022-01-23 02:36:12	Dan39	or Fedora CoreOS? i'm not sure
2022-01-23 02:36:40	Foxboron	Dan39: both, actually.
2022-01-23 02:36:48	Foxboron	But not exactly like described here
2022-01-23 02:36:48	Dan39	oh haha
2022-01-23 02:36:59	Dan39	searched again, now it makes sense
2022-01-23 02:37:24	Dan39	Silverblue and CoreOS share quite a bit of technology (e.g. rpm-ostree) and ideology, but there are some major differences. Silverblue is designed for home / workstation use. The base image comes with Flatpak already set up, a full GNOME installation, etc. In a default install, you have podman for managing containers, which is like Docker but daemon-less and with a rootless mode.
2022-01-23 02:37:24	nothereisnotanam	Dan39: its not yet readdy for production
2022-01-23 02:37:25	Dan39	CoreOS, on the other hand, is designed to be a host operating system for running containers on servers. The base image here is far more stark and minimal, and it also comes with Ignition which can be used to quickly configure large amounts of node servers. In addition, it contains multiple container runtimes out-of-the-box, adding Docker and CRI-O in addition to podman.
2022-01-23 02:37:26	nothereisnotanam	it feels like chrome-os, but with gnome
2022-01-23 02:37:55	Dan39	podman + buildah > docker
2022-01-23 02:38:25	nothereisnotanam	off topic but, has anyone used arch for :critical production" servers
2022-01-23 02:38:49	nothereisnotanam	not you personal server hosting nextcloud or something
2022-01-23 02:38:54	Dan39	yeah, i hosted a minecraft server on it for some friends. that's as critical as it can get, right?
2022-01-23 02:39:01	Dan39	oh, nevermind
2022-01-23 02:43:25	DeepDayze	Someone did that at work one time...
2022-01-23 02:43:32	DeepDayze	One of the admins
2022-01-23 02:46:08	nothereisnotanam	I pretty sure if you never upgrade production, but instead use lvm or btrfs to clone to staging, update there, make sure everything works, then make staging prod you wont have any issues
2022-01-23 02:46:46	nothereisnotanam	you jast have to makeusre hwatever you riun on it uses the latest libs
2022-01-23 03:32:03	kulak	`pacstrap /mnt base linux linux-firmware vim` produced error: pam: signature from "Levente Polyak (anthraxx)..." is unknown trust
2022-01-23 03:32:27	Dan39	kulak: how old is the ISO you are using?
2022-01-23 03:32:27	thrice	are you using an old iso?
2022-01-23 03:32:44	kulak	hmm, I thought I downloaded one yesterday
2022-01-23 03:33:03	kulak	is there an easy way to verify my iso?
2022-01-23 03:33:18	thrice	what's "uname -a" say?
2022-01-23 03:33:37	kulak	Linux archiso 5.14.8-arch1-1
2022-01-23 03:33:37	thrice	er, uname -r
2022-01-23 03:33:43	kulak	26 Sep 2021
2022-01-23 03:33:58	thrice	so, a few months old :)
2022-01-23 03:34:07	kulak	hmm, I agree.
2022-01-23 03:34:14	thrice	try to just update pacman-keyring, with pacman -Syu pacman-keyring
2022-01-23 03:35:01	Betal	this will update everything
2022-01-23 03:35:04	kulak	target not found: pacman-keyring
2022-01-23 03:35:13	Betal	I guess thrice means archlinux-keyring
2022-01-23 03:35:40	thrice	sorry, yeah
2022-01-23 03:35:48	kulak	not enough disk space, I will just get latest version
2022-01-23 03:36:01	Betal	pacman -Syu will try to update all packages
2022-01-23 03:36:11	thrice	pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring
2022-01-23 03:36:26	kulak	that was better
2022-01-23 03:36:45	kulak	pacstrap is happy
2022-01-23 03:38:23	Dan39	!next
2022-01-23 03:38:23	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-01-23 03:39:28	DeepDayze	:)
2022-01-23 04:05:48	intjtlgl[m]	Dan39: hey is this the same dan39 from iptorrents?
2022-01-23 04:20:06	Halian	How do I set up Virtual Super Resolution on an AMD graphics card, using the AMDGPU PRO drivers? I can't find any mention of it on the wiki.
2022-01-23 04:33:25	Halian	How do I set up Virtual Super Resolution on an AMD graphics card, using the AMDGPU PRO drivers? I can't find any mention of it on the wiki.
2022-01-23 04:33:28	hendry	trying to understand https://archlinux.org/news/linux-firmware-202201190c6a7b3-2-requires-kernel-53-and-package-splitting/ ... is CONFIG_FW_LOADER_COMPRESS expected in /etc/mkinitcpio.conf?
2022-01-23 04:33:30	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: linux-firmware 20220119.0c6a7b3-2 requires kernel >=5.3 and package splitting (at archlinux.org)
2022-01-23 04:35:52	tirnanog	hendry: it's a Kconfig (kernel build) option. as such, it wouldn't make any sense being in mkinitcpio.conf.
2022-01-23 04:36:11	hendry	tirnanog: so if I'm using stock kernel, it should be no problem, right?
2022-01-23 04:36:13	tirnanog	hendry: right.
2022-01-23 04:36:45	tirnanog	$ zgrep FW_LOADER_COMPRESS /proc/config.gz 
2022-01-23 04:36:46	tirnanog	CONFIG_FW_LOADER_COMPRESS=y
2022-01-23 04:46:37	Halian	How do I set up Virtual Super Resolution on an AMD graphics card, using the AMDGPU PRO drivers? I can't find any mention of it on the wiki.
2022-01-23 05:05:55	Halian	How do I set up Virtual Super Resolution on an AMD graphics card, using the AMDGPU PRO drivers? I can't find any mention of it on the wiki.
2022-01-23 05:28:41	tirnanog	Halian: I've heard of people using gamescope to do this. it's in AUR.
2022-01-23 05:33:56	amosbird	Hello! How can I configure archlinux to use external screen if available by default after rebooting? I've done similar settings in BIOS but it still switches back to the laptop's screen during booting archlinux
2022-01-23 05:37:47	Halian	tirnanog: thanks, I'll look into that :D
2022-01-23 05:38:06	tirnanog	Halian: I'd have tried it myself but my hardware is rubbish :D
2022-01-23 05:38:12	Halian	oof :D
2022-01-23 05:38:28	Halian	!paste
2022-01-23 05:38:29	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-01-23 05:40:15	Halian	http://ix.io/3NcL hrm
2022-01-23 05:40:17	Halian	tirnanog: 
2022-01-23 05:41:04	tirnanog	Halian: it does claim to need vulkan, yes. I think there's an article about vulkan in the wiki?
2022-01-23 05:42:08	Halian	Derp
2022-01-23 05:44:18	Halian	tirnanog: AMDVLK Closed is installed but vulkan complains about lavapipe o.O
2022-01-23 05:45:55	Halian	http://ix.io/3NcM tirnanog 
2022-01-23 05:46:53	tirnanog	vulkan debugging is beyond my capabilities. I don't even have vulkan-capable hardware. I can, however, tell you that lavapipe is a software implementation and you definitely wouldn't want to be using it.
2022-01-23 05:47:10	Halian	Ahh
2022-01-23 05:47:19	tirnanog	so something is probably missing.
2022-01-23 05:47:23	Halian	Indeed :x
2022-01-23 05:47:42	Halian	http://ix.io/3NcN is the full output if you care
2022-01-23 05:49:43	tirnanog	the way I'm reading is that your driver isn't implementing the latest vulkan interface. I don't know what to do about it, though.
2022-01-23 05:50:13	Halian	Neither do I :(
2022-01-23 05:50:28	Halian	I installed both AMDVLKs and uninstalled Lavapipe; will try rebooting later
2022-01-23 05:50:31	tirnanog	ok.
2022-01-23 05:59:50	Halian	tirnanog: ran gamescope on a lark and got this output now http://ix.io/3NcO
2022-01-23 06:00:11	tirnanog	that looks more promising. there are some examples of how to invoke it at the github page.
2022-01-23 06:00:26	tirnanog	https://github.com/Plagman/gamescope
2022-01-23 06:01:49	Halian	Alright, thanks
2022-01-23 06:02:32	tirnanog	%command% is where you would have the command that normally runs the game. and, as I recall, %command% is substituted by the steam client which is probably why they're using it in the examples.
2022-01-23 06:03:39	Tom^	Halian: why the amdgpu pro drivers?
2022-01-23 06:03:39	Halian	Interesting
2022-01-23 06:03:46	Halian	I want the whole desktop to be 4k though
2022-01-23 06:03:52	Halian	Tom^: the regular ones still have screen tearing :(
2022-01-23 06:04:05	Halian	Would that AMDGPU either amateur or pro had a GUI control program for babies like me :D
2022-01-23 06:04:14	Tom^	Halian: with TearFree set in xorg.conf.d ?
2022-01-23 06:04:20	Halian	Yes
2022-01-23 06:20:08	Halian	Figured it out. Virtual Super Resolution is called "scaling mode" in xrandr.
2022-01-23 06:29:49	Halian	Now I just gotta remind myself how to add and set a custom resolution on boot X3
2022-01-23 07:22:48	kulak	I am in arch-chroot and I run grub-mkconfig (os-probe) is not installed and all I get is "enter firmware" on boot. If I have os-probe installed I get Arch menu option on boot, but I get a warning that os-probe will be disabled.  How can I add Arch to GRUB without os-probe or is it just not the way it is supposed to be used?
2022-01-23 07:33:36	Tom^	is all your partitions mounted when running grub-mkconfig?
2022-01-23 07:36:59	kulak	I have btrfs root and I mount /, /efs, but I don't have /boot mounted.
2022-01-23 07:37:20	kulak	correction: I have btrfs root and I mount /, /efi, but I don't have /boot mounted.
2022-01-23 07:46:23	Halian	How do I control the effective DPI or the GUI scaling of a single recalcitrant application?
2022-01-23 07:50:11	jiridoo	Can one try passwords against just a luks1 header or do I need the actuall drive/partition-image to verify that a password works?
2022-01-23 07:54:36	bparker	jiridoo: yep
2022-01-23 07:54:41	bparker	hashcat can do it
2022-01-23 07:55:07	bparker	not sure about other methods
2022-01-23 07:58:38	jiridoo	bparker: ok that is nice, then I can reasemble my laptop..
2022-01-23 07:59:13	jiridoo	thanks
2022-01-23 08:21:04	Halian	How do I control the effective DPI or the GUI scaling of a single recalcitrant application?
2022-01-23 09:10:16	xecuter	huhu
2022-01-23 09:11:11	labrador	xecuter, what
2022-01-23 09:11:34	xecuter	i have a problem  or more
2022-01-23 09:11:40	labrador	oh
2022-01-23 09:12:35	xecuter	yesterday, i was in telegram. and in audio volume settings. after a while.... i was randomly scroll down with the mouse and changed settings for audio. 
2022-01-23 09:13:18	xecuter	so my audio is going broken. and my microfon did just make noise for the other people.
2022-01-23 09:15:37	xecuter	the second problem. i thought uhhhhh perhaps a reboot is helping :-o but there i seen in the boot-loading time..... that grub will not shown on screen. just if i press a button, that it is hanging.... ok it is not hanging, it is select a linux variante from grub loader.... so press enter works. but it is no longer viewable on systembooting
2022-01-23 09:16:44	xecuter	in telegram. audio out: the is standard and JACK. <--- so G35 Headset is missing
2022-01-23 09:16:59	xecuter	there is standard and JACK
2022-01-23 09:17:56	xecuter	mikrophone G35 is available. and i see the volume if i make noises.
2022-01-23 09:18:12	xecuter	could somebody help me?
2022-01-23 09:20:19	xecuter	atm, now i see: if i am in telegram.... if i press activate mic in the app, that i dont send anylonger perm voice..... that was do not going off..... although i did no noise
2022-01-23 09:20:38	xecuter	hmmm... i do not understand..... perhaps it will works later, too
2022-01-23 09:20:55	xecuter	Do you have a hint, why i can not see my grub loader on system booting?
2022-01-23 09:22:04	gumbo	xecuter: try in the morning. #linux is sleep right now
2022-01-23 09:22:19	gumbo	And #archlinux 
2022-01-23 09:23:01	Tom^	the world isnt in america
2022-01-23 09:23:39	daurn	Is there a way to run `makepkg` as root? (I'm in a docker container and don't want to have to set up a user+sudo+etc)
2022-01-23 09:24:17	Tom^	why would you need makepkg as root ?
2022-01-23 09:29:30	uuidNuni1	exit 10 : User attempted to run makepkg as root.
2022-01-23 09:33:13	alad	daurn: adding 3 RUN commands to your dockerfile is going to be significantly easier 
2022-01-23 09:33:57	alad	https://p.haavard.me/2l
2022-01-23 09:35:49	jmariondev	Looking at the source there isn't really an escape hatch: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman/-/blob/release/6.0.x/scripts/makepkg.sh.in#L1190
2022-01-23 09:35:51	phrik	Title: scripts/makepkg.sh.in · release/6.0.x · Pacman / Pacman · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2022-01-23 09:36:03	uuidNuni1	alad:-> sudo pacman with nopasswd? cool 
2022-01-23 09:36:29	uuidNuni1	it is a docker anyway ... just NOPASSWD:ALL
2022-01-23 09:37:24	alad	it's a container build, devtools does the same thing for their nspawns
2022-01-23 09:38:07	uuidNuni1	makepkg is a bash script? jmariondev 
2022-01-23 09:39:09	uuidNuni1	file $(where makepkg) : /usr/bin/makepkg: Bourne-Again shell script, ASCII text executable
2022-01-23 09:39:32	uuidNuni1	ok, time to hack 
2022-01-23 09:40:01	jmariondev	yeah, shell scripts make up lots of the arch toolchain
2022-01-23 09:42:34	uuidNuni1	mkinitcpio
2022-01-23 09:45:18	daurn	alad: thanks; that snippet will do
2022-01-23 09:46:36	daurn	it *would* be nice if that was in a published docker image somewhere.... I wonder if we should have another tag on docker-hub with that user set up
2022-01-23 09:56:24	alad	I got it in my dockerfile but I didn't publish it
2022-01-23 09:56:30	alad	at least not on docker-hub
2022-01-23 10:05:00	Dan39	intjtlgl[m]: lol yes
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2022-01-23 11:46:37	pantsu	which version of the stick? aka which chipset does it actually use?
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2022-01-23 11:46:57	pantsu	there are 3 versions of that stick with 3 different chipsets, at least one which is not really supported in kernel
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2022-01-23 11:47:54	pantsu	if its the 8188eu version you might have to disable power saving, or try the out of tree driver 
2022-01-23 11:48:25	pantsu	(or grab a cable and fix wifi after the install)
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2022-01-23 12:48:38	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1423 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1423 normals)
2022-01-23 12:48:40	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-23 12:49:48	GlenUK	Is there a program to view the wiki from the terminal?
2022-01-23 12:50:05	pantsu	GlenUK: lolcat, bat, cat, vim, emacs
2022-01-23 12:50:21	pantsu	GlenUK: tip: pacman -Ss arch wiki
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2022-01-23 12:51:51	GlenUK	thank you pantsu
2022-01-23 12:52:09	pantsu	GlenUK: lolcat makes it glorious
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2022-01-23 12:55:49	GlenUK	how do I use this? I cannot see a wiki article on it :/
2022-01-23 12:56:19	pantsu	install the offline wiki pages, lolcat /path/to/page
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2022-01-23 12:56:44	pantsu	works best for the non-html version of course
2022-01-23 12:57:40	GlenUK	Sorry, where is the default path? I installed `arch-wiki-docs`
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2022-01-23 12:59:04	GlenUK	oh, usr/share/doc/arch-wiki
2022-01-23 12:59:13	pantsu	that is the html version
2022-01-23 12:59:31	pantsu	lite is human readable without a browser, and comes with a search tool
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2022-01-23 13:01:29	GlenUK	yeah I just noticed when I used lolcat! 
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2022-01-23 13:02:28	Foxboron	Hmm, seems like my thunderbolt dock doesn't register their USB hub after the newest update.. hmm; xhci_hcd 0000:0b:00.0: can't setup: -19
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2022-01-23 13:03:21	jelle	kernel doesn't have regressions
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2022-01-23 13:03:29	Foxboron	>:O
2022-01-23 13:03:46	GlenUK	I use wiki-search %term% but how can I then use lolcat? Sorry for asking so many questions 
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2022-01-23 13:04:51	pantsu	it uses PAGER iirc
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2022-01-23 13:07:40	pantsu	"Viewer is 'less' or $PAGER.  $PAGER disables colored output."
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2022-01-23 13:18:45	lambda	is the AUR having IPv6 troubles?
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2022-01-23 13:21:17	pantsu	works for me
2022-01-23 13:21:22	lambda	can't ssh in over v6, and ping -4 aur.archlinux.org works while -6 doesn't
2022-01-23 13:21:40	lambda	(in both cases v6 just times out)
2022-01-23 13:21:57	AlexC	it does work
2022-01-23 13:21:57	pantsu	restart your router
2022-01-23 13:22:00	jelle	sounds like you might have just been blocked :)
2022-01-23 13:22:12	AlexC	Pinging aur.archlinux.org [2a01:4f9:c010:50::1] with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 2a01:4f9:c010:50::1: time=39ms Reply from 2a01:4f9:c010:50::1: time=39ms Reply from 2a01:4f9:c010:50::1: time=39ms
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2022-01-23 13:23:13	lambda	jelle: but I didn't do anything :<
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2022-01-23 13:23:34	AlexC	other ipv6 sites works?
2022-01-23 13:23:50	lambda	all the ones I've tried so far
2022-01-23 13:23:59	pantsu	traceroute it
2022-01-23 13:25:14	lambda	yeeeah ok one of my IPv6 upstreams looks dead
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2022-01-23 13:25:49	lambda	have more upstreams they said, it'll be redundant they said
2022-01-23 13:26:09	lambda	what do I get instead? one half of the internet breaks
2022-01-23 13:26:20	neko2	hmm. is the manchester.m247.com mirror broken for the archiso at least? for 2022.01.01 at least the link from the download page is 404.
2022-01-23 13:26:35	neko2	wondering if anyone could double check for me
2022-01-23 13:26:51	neko2	(I'll try another of course, just a happstance observation)
2022-01-23 13:26:59	neko2	*happenstance... english... argh
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2022-01-23 13:29:57	neko2	... also gethosted.online just by trying another UK one... and ukfast... wat... uh. am I just choosing unluckily today >_<
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2022-01-23 13:30:11	neko2	ok, netweaver, there we go. phew.
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2022-01-23 15:18:54	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-01-23 15:18:54	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1434 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1434 normals)
2022-01-23 15:01:47	intjtlgl[m]	i don't want to sound totally new but I am not sure if this is normal or not. I am trying  to track down what is causing this? Some reason my io priority keeps putting everything for HDD I/O to idle. I also have an issue with an either abnormal or unknown as it seems I have a ton of children processes of items. I also seem to have processes which I close and they seem to stay running as children
2022-01-23 15:01:47	intjtlgl[m]	that I need to send a sighup to end is
2022-01-23 15:01:48	intjtlgl[m]	that normal I am looking at probably going to wipe and reload. I however do not want to lose some stuff so I might just do a lvreduce and then create a new lv to backup my files if that makes sense? I am running a luks container and then have lvm running underneath that. However it just seems this started now. There are a ton of children processes under steam and my cpu is running at 100% with
2022-01-23 15:01:48	intjtlgl[m]	it open. Which I find strange as I never had
2022-01-23 15:01:48	intjtlgl[m]	any system stability issues till just recently. I am trying to track this down or maybe I should think of just reducing my lv and reload then see if they still are present
2022-01-23 15:18:54	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-23 15:48:43	uuidNuni1	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/48992?project=1&string=zsh
2022-01-23 15:48:44	phrik	Title: FS#48992 : [zsh] wrong file paths in man pages (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-01-23 15:48:51	uuidNuni1	no one fix the bug...
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2022-01-23 15:51:16	post-factum	!noone
2022-01-23 15:51:16	phrik	noone is going to help you if you don't tell what kind of help you need!
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2022-01-23 16:13:42	Tom^	uuidNuni1: fix what? its already fixed.
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2022-01-23 16:14:11	Tom^	or wait what
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2022-01-23 16:14:33	Tom^	oh the comment has a "fix"
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2022-01-23 19:36:40	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-23 19:31:22	danisanti	pacman gives me the files in /var/lib/pacman/ as orphans. Can I delete this files without any repurcussion to my system?
2022-01-23 19:32:24	CubeTheThird	you can run pacman -Sc to clean  up unneeded packages
2022-01-23 19:32:26	Scimmia	danisanti: no, that's your pacman database
2022-01-23 19:32:30	mpan	danisanti: no, those are your databses.
2022-01-23 19:32:40	CubeTheThird	your cache is in /var/cache/pacman
2022-01-23 19:32:53	mpan	They can’t be owned, as those are dynamically created. And having unowned files in “/var/lib” is expected and normal.
2022-01-23 19:33:44	danisanti	Scimmia, mpan: ok, thanks
2022-01-23 19:34:43	mpan	As for cleaning cache, see `paccache` from pacman-contrib package. Gives a good control over what is being deleted and is perfectly suited for periodic cleanups.
2022-01-23 19:36:40	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-23 19:38:57	danisanti	mpan: thanks
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2022-01-23 19:47:03	breezy321	Can anyone see this message?
2022-01-23 19:47:07	weltio	yes breezy321
2022-01-23 19:47:21	breezy321	Oh ok. Thanks that's all I needed.
2022-01-23 19:47:24	weltio	im using pikaur
2022-01-23 19:47:37	teraflops	pikachu?
2022-01-23 19:47:40	weltio	is it possible to get all the dependencies of a package?
2022-01-23 19:48:01	ectospasm	weltio: you mean optional dependencies?
2022-01-23 19:48:08	weltio	(also the already installed)
2022-01-23 19:48:11	breezy321	Actually this might be a better place to post this question.
2022-01-23 19:48:30	breezy321	I can't use any snapshot with libvirtd +qemu. They stopped working.
2022-01-23 19:48:49	weltio	ectospasm: funny nick; uh i meant the required packages
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2022-01-23 19:49:18	breezy321	and I get the error message "An error occurred, but the cause is unknown"
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2022-01-23 19:51:48	ectospasm	weltio: I don't immediately see how to tell pikaur to reinstall dependencies.  You can list them with `pikaur -Qi <package>`, then explicitly list the dependencies in `pikaur -Syu <list of packages>` 
2022-01-23 19:52:04	ectospasm	If any of them are AUR packages, you can pass the --rebuild flag to make sure they're rebuilt.
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2022-01-23 19:56:18	teraflops	weltio: there is pactree https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/pacman#Pactree which is meant for that 
2022-01-23 19:56:20	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-23 19:57:11	teraflops	once an aur package is installed I do not think there is any difference regarding the use of pactree on them
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2022-01-23 20:14:33	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-23 20:26:31	breezy321	Can anyone other than weltio see me?
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2022-01-23 20:26:53	breezy321	Someone that an help me with my issue.
2022-01-23 20:27:14	pmarg	@breezy321 what is your issue?
2022-01-23 20:27:36	gh0st`	breezy321,
2022-01-23 20:27:37	gh0st`	whats up
2022-01-23 20:28:06	gh0st`	<breezy321> Actually this might be a better place to post this question.
2022-01-23 20:28:06	gh0st`	11:48 AM <breezy321> I can't use any snapshot with libvirtd +qemu. They stopped working.
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2022-01-23 20:28:12	gh0st`	got an errors?
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2022-01-23 20:31:56	breezy321	"An error occurred, but the cause is unknown"
2022-01-23 20:31:59	breezy321	That's all I got
2022-01-23 20:32:31	breezy321	What information do you need?
2022-01-23 20:32:47	breezy321	Thanks btw
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2022-01-23 21:05:04	weltio	System has not been booted with systemd as init system (PID 1). Can't operate.
2022-01-23 21:05:15	weltio	FROM archlinux:base-devel
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2022-01-23 21:05:20	weltio	in dokcer - why?
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2022-01-23 21:09:20	teraflops	you should run a virtual machine if you want a full operating system
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2022-01-23 21:10:29	weltio	teraflops: nah i dont want a full operating system
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2022-01-23 21:10:54	weltio	arch in docker not possible?
2022-01-23 21:12:30	AeroNotix	I guess a better question is, why do you want to use Arch in Docker?
2022-01-23 21:12:58	weltio	AeroNotix: actually not, but it shall be used as a building system
2022-01-23 21:13:10	teraflops	weltio: are you using the official arch linux docker image?
2022-01-23 21:13:13	AeroNotix	building what?
2022-01-23 21:13:29	weltio	teraflops: FROM archlinux:base-devel
2022-01-23 21:13:36	weltio	AeroNotix: arch pacakges
2022-01-23 21:14:11	◣	feriman (~feriman@188.163.113.151) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-01-23 21:14:39	AeroNotix	well I just tried to test this but I'm on aarch64, sec, trying to find a base image to work with
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2022-01-23 21:14:58	AeroNotix	this should be entirely possible, not sure what else you're doing. I've used arch as a base image before with no issues
2022-01-23 21:15:10	AeroNotix	is your Dockerfile just the FROM stanza? I'd be surprised if so
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2022-01-23 21:16:24	weltio	AeroNotix: ah actually that was a hint - thx
2022-01-23 21:16:47	AeroNotix	ok
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2022-01-23 21:19:19	teraflops	weltio: for a building system i'd consider running nswpawn 
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2022-01-24 09:40:55	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-24 05:44:08	xecuter	what can i do, if i start computer. that i can see the grub menu? if i start my computer... black screen for 5sec and than, i am direct on the login screen, \o/
2022-01-24 05:44:40	xecuter	connected / plugin : just 1 hdmi monitor
2022-01-24 05:58:23	dirtcastle	guysss, so I'm trying to make a home server - NAS + web server to host my blog etc.  when it comes to server ppl been saying use debian and I installed it. but I also heard ppl on reddit and luke smith saying that arch is a stable distro. so it must be good for servers right. I'm noob to everything. it's just the ideas of NAS , hosting website myself sounded cool coz I don't want to rely on MNCs
2022-01-24 05:58:23	dirtcastle	to do it.  
2022-01-24 06:00:52	rcf	dirtcastle: it comes down to personal preference, really. I would not necessarily call Arch a stable distribution, however; maintaining it properly as a server involves more work.
2022-01-24 06:01:40	dirtcastle	rcf: is it because it should be updated properly?
2022-01-24 06:01:50	NetSysFire	no because software *will* break more often
2022-01-24 06:02:12	NetSysFire	it needs more maintenance, too. you can not have automatic updates. you need to check the news and merge any pacnews, too
2022-01-24 06:02:56	dirtcastle	I haven't done those stuff until now though I use arch for a month or smtg. 
2022-01-24 06:03:14	dirtcastle	I've heard ppl talking about pac news. sometimes you got to fix stuff manually
2022-01-24 06:05:13	rcf	Of course I’ve run Arch on servers. It can be done. If you happen to like Arch and are familiar with it the consistency of running it on a home server can be worthwhile 
2022-01-24 06:05:22	dirtcastle	so I guess I'll do with debian. is there smtg like a best distro for servers? 
2022-01-24 06:05:55	rcf	There is no best, everyone’s priorities are different
2022-01-24 06:06:23	dirtcastle	oh great. 
2022-01-24 06:08:59	dirtcastle	my only priority is to reduce downtime as much as possible - when the server crashes due to an error, like it shouldn't be too hard or take too long to debug. so I guess it would be nice if it breaks less often
2022-01-24 06:10:21	dirtcastle	the whole point is to automate everything. if I'm spending too much time fixing errors that would be dumb. 
2022-01-24 06:10:39	dirtcastle	maybe I'll try with both for some time and see how it goes. 
2022-01-24 06:14:39	jmcantrell	When an update to a PKGBUILD gets committed, how long does it take to become available to install? What does that process look like?
2022-01-24 06:19:30	dirtcastle	anyways, thanks for your time!! rcf, NetSysFire. 
2022-01-24 09:28:58	luigibu	hi there! i get this: Missing AUR Packages:  pipewire-jack-dropin wile runing yay -Syu
2022-01-24 09:29:05	luigibu	do i need to do soemthing? 
2022-01-24 09:29:12	luigibu	thanks
2022-01-24 09:40:43	jmariondev	luigibu: that package was removed because it sounds like pipewire-jack will work correctly on its own
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2022-01-24 09:45:20	luigibu	thanks jmariondev 
2022-01-24 09:45:41	jmariondev	source: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxaudio/comments/s7sn37
2022-01-24 09:46:24	speak	Oh that's great!
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2022-01-24 09:46:46	jmariondev	(sorry, so correct action would be to remove it, then run -Syu again): `yay -Rs pipewire-jack-dropin`
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2022-01-24 09:55:00	ℹ 	frojnd1 es conocido ahora como frojnd
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2022-01-24 10:00:25	weltio	can repo-add handle only one version per package?
2022-01-24 10:00:42	weltio	or would i be able to install specific versions from my custom repo
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2022-01-24 10:05:46	teraflops	I do not think arch handles versioned deps
2022-01-24 10:06:07	alad	only 1
2022-01-24 10:06:07	weltio	alad: so there is no alternative way either?
2022-01-24 10:06:07	alad	if you need multiple versions for some reasons, you need multiple repos
2022-01-24 10:06:07	alad	and then specify the repo to pacman with <repo>/<pkgname>
2022-01-24 10:06:07	weltio	ok thx
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2022-01-24 10:08:14	Khorne	pacman can, arch doesn't do versioned deps
2022-01-24 10:08:29	Khorne	s/deps/packages/
2022-01-24 10:08:49	alad	sometimes it does
2022-01-24 10:08:55	alad	like for readline
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2022-01-24 10:09:40	luigibu	is there an easy way to enctryp my root partition of my existing instalation? 
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2022-01-24 10:11:12	alad	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Device_encryption#Encrypt_an_existing_unencrypted_file_system
2022-01-24 10:11:13	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Device encryption - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-24 10:11:36	alad	just take backups because if you mess up the resize2fs command, all your data might be gone
2022-01-24 10:11:41	Khorne	alad, fine, generally doesn't do versioned packages :P
2022-01-24 10:12:25	alad	if it's a newer installation, might as well start over
2022-01-24 10:14:00	luigibu	no no.. is my work pc.. for security reasons.. they asked to enctypt my disk
2022-01-24 10:14:09	luigibu	but im working with this pc already
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2022-01-24 10:43:57	nicholaus04	Howdy arch folks!
2022-01-24 10:44:20	alad	phrik: later tell BrainDamage any new ideas on <https://github.com/AladW/aurutils/pull/822>?
2022-01-24 10:44:20	phrik	alad: Tada!
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2022-01-24 11:14:41	Franciman	hi everyone. I am switching to pipewire. But i have a question
2022-01-24 11:14:49	Franciman	i installed pipewire, pipewire-alsa and pipewire-pulse
2022-01-24 11:14:56	Franciman	now, do I also need to enable pipewire.service?
2022-01-24 11:15:02	Franciman	the arch wiki says nothing about it
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2022-01-24 11:19:53	mkoskar	Franciman: no, sockets are enabled in packages' post_install
2022-01-24 11:20:08	Franciman	oh so i did an error to enable it
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2022-01-24 11:22:09	mkoskar	won't hurt but shouldn't be necessary
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2022-01-24 11:22:20	Franciman	i see, thank you
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2022-01-24 11:35:00	Wapelo	is this the right channel to ask for help with a data loss issue?
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2022-01-24 11:38:09	Khorne	This is the right channel to ask questions that relate to Arch
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2022-01-24 11:46:40	Wapelo	I messed up my disk, to the point it would not even enter the login prompt. I went to restore my backup from a second disk using the "dd" command, but afterwards both my main disk, and the backup (which was working perfectly during the "dd" restore) now get to the login, but all my logins and user are gone.
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2022-01-24 12:12:28	godSend23	hey all
2022-01-24 12:12:32	nicholaus04	Howdy!
2022-01-24 12:12:47	godSend23	how r uu
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2022-01-24 12:14:51	Momentum	not bad
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2022-01-24 12:16:44	godSend23	good
2022-01-24 12:16:53	godSend23	first time here
2022-01-24 12:17:46	labrador	Why are you using windows lmao
2022-01-24 12:18:04	godSend23	good ques :p
2022-01-24 12:18:55	godSend23	what's the best portable server setup i can use?
2022-01-24 12:19:06	godSend23	for doing a bunch of win Vms
2022-01-24 12:19:37	labrador	I dunno kvm+qemu on debian?
2022-01-24 12:19:54	teraflops	portable?
2022-01-24 12:20:08	labrador	Yeah I didn't really understand that part
2022-01-24 12:20:37	godSend23	sry like physical
2022-01-24 12:20:48	godSend23	i got a nuc but people are advising against it
2022-01-24 12:20:58	teraflops	proxmoxVE is a good platform
2022-01-24 12:21:07	labrador	oh yeah how many vm's could a nuc even run lmao
2022-01-24 12:21:10	godSend23	somethiing that i can move from office to home
2022-01-24 12:21:13	godSend23	and back again
2022-01-24 12:21:30	jelle	labrador: at least 1
2022-01-24 12:21:50	godSend23	i've heard VFIO but i need a hw basis first
2022-01-24 12:21:56	teraflops	it depends on the storage ram and processor
2022-01-24 12:22:02	jelle	anyway what do you want godSend23 exactly
2022-01-24 12:22:05	labrador	godSend23, uhh can you be more detailed on *why* it needs to be portable? Maybe another solution could be proposed.
2022-01-24 12:22:23	godSend23	b/c i can't imagine a server being stationary
2022-01-24 12:22:34	godSend23	esp w/ a bunch of vms on it
2022-01-24 12:22:57	labrador	godSend23, your responses don't really make sense lmao. Servers are mostly stationary
2022-01-24 12:23:11	teraflops	you can put wheels on it
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2022-01-24 12:23:14	godSend23	trying tot hink outside the box labrador 
2022-01-24 12:23:43	godSend23	intel i9 nuc not sufficient w/ 64gb ram?
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2022-01-24 12:23:49	jelle	godSend23: so what do you need for work
2022-01-24 12:23:54	labrador	The problem would be cooling probably
2022-01-24 12:23:55	godSend23	4 win Vms
2022-01-24 12:24:02	godSend23	running smoothly 
2022-01-24 12:24:06	jelle	godSend23: for what applications?
2022-01-24 12:24:07	godSend23	for dental office
2022-01-24 12:24:16	labrador	godSend23, are you gonna run around with a battery pack on your back?
2022-01-24 12:24:27	labrador	How do you suppose you'll power it when you are carrying it?
2022-01-24 12:24:38	godSend23	i'm not, just plug it in
2022-01-24 12:24:48	godSend23	but something not excessively heavy
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2022-01-24 12:25:07	godSend23	i thought of using a laptop but cooling wrse than nuc
2022-01-24 12:25:10	jelle	I think he doesn't mean a 24/7 server :)
2022-01-24 12:25:18	labrador	jelle, ohhh
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2022-01-24 12:25:34	godSend23	right
2022-01-24 12:25:41	godSend23	ty jelle 
2022-01-24 12:25:48	godSend23	something i can turn/off at any time
2022-01-24 12:26:04	jelle	anyway 4 vm's are quite a bunch, so what kind of work would you be doing on it?
2022-01-24 12:26:19	godSend23	digital xray capture, 3d scans
2022-01-24 12:26:23	godSend23	of teeth
2022-01-24 12:26:35	jelle	do those use a real gpu normally?
2022-01-24 12:26:39	godSend23	itnernet and streaming content
2022-01-24 12:26:43	jelle	hmmmm
2022-01-24 12:26:54	godSend23	yes but not too crazy
2022-01-24 12:26:58	teraflops	the hw specs you said above are ok for a handful of VMs indeed
2022-01-24 12:27:07	godSend23	i already virtualize the existing baremtal win machines
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2022-01-24 12:27:15	godSend23	need a new home for them
2022-01-24 12:27:53	godSend23	it's just the nuc i have is >2300 bucks; do u guys know a more better portable server hack?
2022-01-24 12:28:59	godSend23	thining about returning it
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2022-01-24 12:29:44	teraflops	consider using a 1/2 Us server and a proper rack anyways, for that price you get ne
2022-01-24 12:29:54	teraflops	^better hw than a nuc
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2022-01-24 12:31:16	Momentum	why do you have to take that back with you to home again godSend23?
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2022-01-24 12:31:36	Momentum	sorry if i missed something
2022-01-24 12:31:40	jmariondev	1-2U servers are generally loud and miserable to have near
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2022-01-24 12:32:17	jmariondev	i would choose a small form factor (ie ITX) prosumer-grade desktop
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2022-01-24 12:32:36	grawity	HP microserver if you don't mind it being all proprietary hardware
2022-01-24 12:32:45	grawity	it's fairly quiet and has remote KVM
2022-01-24 12:32:55	godSend23	b/c my office is in a precarious situation; i need the added security 
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2022-01-24 12:33:10	godSend23	and having it unmovable is scary for me
2022-01-24 12:33:13	godSend23	thanks grawity 
2022-01-24 12:33:21	jmariondev	microserver is a cute little cube would be great too, yeah
2022-01-24 12:33:25	godSend23	let me think about that; something premade is preferable
2022-01-24 12:33:30	godSend23	already integrated
2022-01-24 12:33:36	godSend23	and lightweight
2022-01-24 12:34:01	godSend23	do u guys personally use these microservers?
2022-01-24 12:34:06	grawity	I got a gen8 microserver on ebay, for €300 because HP gen8 is already two generations out of date, but it still works great
2022-01-24 12:34:25	grawity	ended up spending another €300 because I wanted moar RAM and moar CPU though
2022-01-24 12:34:25	godSend23	can it handle 4 win vms easily and smoothly no overheat?
2022-01-24 12:34:46	jmariondev	same, I have a gen 8 and it doesn't have much CPU heft nowadays, but i'm sure newer generations support better processors
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2022-01-24 12:35:08	jmariondev	gen 8 is cheap secondhand, as grawity mentions 👍️
2022-01-24 12:35:39	jmariondev	a lot of its physical space is used for its 4x HDD bays, I wouldn't choose it if your focus wasn't storage, though
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2022-01-24 12:36:08	godSend23	alright
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2022-01-24 12:36:53	jmariondev	if you could suffice with a single nvme storage, then perhaps the SFF business desktops would be best. they're generally about the same form factor as a mac mini and would be easy to get a powerful modern processor
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2022-01-24 12:42:13	Earnestly	hp z600 case was designed by bwm, random factoid
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2022-01-24 12:53:52	iticus	hello! I'm having an issue with my MSI Bravo 15 notebook - the wi-fi is quite slower than on my Asus Vivobook S435 notebook even though they both have the same network card from what I can tell
2022-01-24 12:54:21	iticus	they both run Arch but MSI get's around 150 Mbps while Asus gets close to 500 Mbps
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2022-01-24 12:55:21	iticus	I'm on MSI at the moment - the card is: 04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wi-Fi 6 AX200 (rev 1a)
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2022-01-24 12:55:45	godSend23	sry i got disconnect
2022-01-24 12:55:47	godSend23	what was said?
2022-01-24 12:57:30	jelle	godSend23: nothing pretty mch
2022-01-24 12:58:05	godSend23	the last was the z600 case and something about sff
2022-01-24 12:58:28	godSend23	i thikn those will be more costeffective than a 2300
2022-01-24 12:58:32	godSend23	$ nuc
2022-01-24 12:58:36	grawity	jmariondev: I managed to find a replacement Xeon and it's good enough, though ofc cooling is now louder, but eh it's not in my house anyway
2022-01-24 12:59:14	godSend23	a single nvme storage is fine for 4 vms i thikn?
2022-01-24 12:59:36	jmariondev	depends on what the vms are doing
2022-01-24 12:59:44	godSend23	ok jmariondev 
2022-01-24 12:59:48	godSend23	i mention earlier
2022-01-24 12:59:53	godSend23	the activiteis it would partake in
2022-01-24 12:59:58	godSend23	*they
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2022-01-24 13:00:34	godSend23	e SFF business desktops } which brand for best cooling?
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2022-01-24 13:02:40	jmariondev	ah i scrolled up. do you already have this nuc? that's probably a good solution. you should at least use it to test how heavy your workloads are
2022-01-24 13:03:18	godSend23	i do
2022-01-24 13:03:34	godSend23	but if i can do the same w/ the microserver
2022-01-24 13:03:36	godSend23	i'd rather do that
2022-01-24 13:04:16	jmariondev	that generation is not likely to run 4 windows desktop experiences at a time
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2022-01-24 19:40:41	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1459 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1458 normals)
2022-01-24 18:40:34	et09	is there something like feh that doesn't feel like it's from 1995
2022-01-24 18:40:41	AeroNotix	et09: feh
2022-01-24 18:41:48	AeroNotix	et09: the wiki has a decent page on common applications
2022-01-24 18:42:05	AeroNotix	unsure how to invoke the bot
2022-01-24 18:42:11	AeroNotix	but google "arch list of applications"
2022-01-24 18:42:17	AeroNotix	there's a bunch of ideas in there
2022-01-24 18:42:33	et09	sometimes i just want a recommendation lol
2022-01-24 18:42:47	AeroNotix	et09: I recommend a pretty modern and light application called feh
2022-01-24 18:42:50	et09	!wiki list of applications
2022-01-24 18:42:50	phrik	et09: Is that a question?
2022-01-24 18:42:59	et09	!help
2022-01-24 18:42:59	phrik	et09: Use the 'list' command to list all plugins, and 'list <plugin>' to list all commands in a plugin. To show the help of a command, use 'help <command>'. 
2022-01-24 18:43:01	et09	!list
2022-01-24 18:43:02	phrik	et09: ALwiki, Admin, Aka, Anonymous, Channel, Conditional, Config, DDG, DarkSky, Dict, Dunno, Filter, Format, Games, Googler, Internet, Karma, Kickme, Later, Math, MessageParser, Misc, MoobotFactoids, Network, OpsPing, Owner, Plugin, QuoteGrabs, RSS, Reply, Scheduler, Services, String, Success, Time, Topic, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
2022-01-24 18:43:16	et09	!ALwiki list of applications
2022-01-24 18:43:17	phrik	et09: BLEEP BLOOP
2022-01-24 18:43:24	et09	!games
2022-01-24 18:43:24	phrik	take it to #archlinux-gaming
2022-01-24 18:43:44	et09	phriks not that useful is it 
2022-01-24 18:43:55	AeroNotix	quicker to just google it yourself
2022-01-24 18:43:55	et09	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/list_of_applications#Image_viewers
2022-01-24 18:43:57	phrik	Title: List of applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-24 18:43:59	AeroNotix	yeah
2022-01-24 18:44:31	et09	looks like "imv" is basically what i want 
2022-01-24 18:44:45	AeroNotix	weird way to spell feh but ok
2022-01-24 18:44:48	et09	idk
2022-01-24 18:44:57	et09	i'm on wayland, feh doesn't let me do things like "copy path of image"
2022-01-24 18:45:00	et09	and other issues
2022-01-24 18:50:34	mongy	et09: swayimg also exists.  
2022-01-24 19:36:15	xecuter	the solution of pipewire and usb headset is not perfect! xD  I have to select primary line-out, than restart as like as telegram, for change sound from direct speaker-output. because in telegram is available just Standard and JACK-Default. 
2022-01-24 19:37:06	AiO	hey boys and girls. sorry if i'm late to the party and repeat something already discussed.... is there any issue with mmblk as of late?
2022-01-24 19:37:20	Namarrgon	"mmblk"?
2022-01-24 19:37:26	NetSysFire	!wtf mmblk
2022-01-24 19:37:27	AiO	microsd-cards
2022-01-24 19:37:27	phrik	NetSysFire: What the hell is mmblk?
2022-01-24 19:37:45	Namarrgon	no, there is no general issue. what issue are you talking about?
2022-01-24 19:37:48	DeepDayze	mmcblk?
2022-01-24 19:38:03	AiO	dmesg does not show any sign of detection. tried two different computers, two different readers and two different microsd-cards
2022-01-24 19:38:13	AiO	DeepDayze: indeed
2022-01-24 19:38:16	Namarrgon	AiO: uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2022-01-24 19:38:36	AiO	5.15.15-hardened1-1-hardened
2022-01-24 19:38:38	AiO	linux 5.16.2.arch1-1
2022-01-24 19:38:46	Namarrgon	pacman -Q linux-hardened
2022-01-24 19:39:41	AiO	ofc... sry
2022-01-24 19:39:44	AiO	linux-hardened 5.15.15.hardened1-1
2022-01-24 19:40:00	DeepDayze	is there a formatted sd card in the reader?
2022-01-24 19:40:22	Namarrgon	replug the card and post the kernel log
2022-01-24 19:40:25	AiO	yes. at least one, i'm sure of. used it on one of them yesterday :D
2022-01-24 19:40:34	BrainDamage	btw, the correct spelling is mmcblk
2022-01-24 19:40:41	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-01-24 19:40:52	BrainDamage	mmc block bevice
2022-01-24 19:41:11	gehidore	^
2022-01-24 19:41:14	AiO	BrainDamage: yes. thanks :) (just a typo)
2022-01-24 19:41:15	gehidore	waas about too saaay
2022-01-24 19:41:49	BrainDamage	when I plug a sdcard in my mmcblk reader in my laptop I get output in dmesg
2022-01-24 19:41:58	BrainDamage	nothing there?
2022-01-24 19:42:05	AiO	BrainDamage: i dont. (today)
2022-01-24 19:43:31	AiO	BrainDamage: i was partitioning, formatting, and copying styff to it yesterday. used it in a pi3 for a while. and now i needed to do some stuff on int.. (i have done an upgrade on both machines i tried using it on, today, before i started fiddling with the cards/cardreaders)
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2022-01-24 19:43:49	gehidore	you needs driver sometimes
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2022-01-24 19:44:28	AiO	i didnt reflect upon if i got new kernel, just upgraded and rebooted... slentrian :)
2022-01-24 19:44:35	BrainDamage	maybe the hardened kernel has put some extra restrictions on peripherial usage?
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2022-01-24 19:44:46	BrainDamage	also, try downgrading to a LTS
2022-01-24 19:44:47	AiO	hence... if there were drivers before reboot, and not after... that's the confusing part.
2022-01-24 19:45:03	MacGyver	That sounds like /boot may not have been mounted during the upgrade.
2022-01-24 19:45:08	MacGyver	I.e. you're still booting the old kernel.
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2022-01-24 19:45:26	BrainDamage	wouldn't uname be different then?
2022-01-24 19:45:32	AiO	uh
2022-01-24 19:45:36	MacGyver	I haven't read up.
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2022-01-24 19:48:01	AiO	BrainDamage: nah. no downgrade of kernels today... just curious if there was something going on that others had seen too..
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2022-01-24 19:48:53	AiO	i'm flabbergasted. this ting "always" worked....
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2022-01-24 19:49:34	MacGyver	Does modprobing a non-loaded module work?
2022-01-24 19:49:46	MacGyver	Can you manually attach the thing to its driver using the /sys entries?
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2022-01-24 19:52:56	AiO	hm... dmesg seems 100% void of the word mmc :D
2022-01-24 19:53:18	NetSysFire	dont grep
2022-01-24 19:54:20	AiO	?
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2022-01-24 19:54:42	AiO	what do you mean "dont grep"?
2022-01-24 19:55:29	BrainDamage	oh, tangentially related, does some untrusted user wants to package vgrep in community?
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2022-01-24 19:55:37	BrainDamage	it's pretty handy
2022-01-24 19:55:40	filotek	close
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2022-01-24 19:57:19	gehidore	fail
2022-01-24 19:58:28	NetSysFire	AiO: you saying the log is devoid of the word mmc sounds like you grepped
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2022-01-24 19:58:46	NetSysFire	it is important you read the whole log and do not grep because you may miss the important part since we do not know what to search for
2022-01-24 19:58:59	AiO	NetSysFire: redir to a text-file then grep
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2022-01-24 19:59:06	NetSysFire	!dmesg
2022-01-24 19:59:08	phrik	Always check your journal when possible, not your dmesg. The journal includes the dmesg together with other helpful and possibly relevant logs. journalctl also has more options to search and filter messages.
2022-01-24 19:59:24	NetSysFire	unplug your sd card, run journalctl -f, plug it in again, inspect the log
2022-01-24 19:59:29	AiO	sure... journal does not say anything either.
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2022-01-24 20:00:22	AiO	weird..
2022-01-24 20:00:35	AiO	rebooting the machine with the card _inserted_ it's detected...
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2022-01-24 20:01:15	teraflops	!itcrowd
2022-01-24 20:01:15	phrik	Have you tried turning it off and on again?
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2022-01-24 20:01:19	AiO	but ejecting it wont log anything, nor inserting it again
2022-01-24 20:01:32	AiO	teraflops: hah
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2022-01-24 20:01:44	AiO	teraflops: won't explain why two machines behave exactly the same tho.
2022-01-24 20:01:57	AiO	... i have 16 more to try on :)
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2022-01-24 20:02:30	teraflops	if happens the same on 2 different machines with same sd card the sdcard is the thing to blame I guess
2022-01-24 20:02:51	AiO	teraflops: scrollback :)
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2022-01-24 20:03:40	AiO	teraflops: two different machines, two different card-readers, two.... well.. 3 now... different cards. both machines, both readers and at least the card i mangaged to detect _during_ boot worked like a charm yesterday :)
2022-01-24 20:03:52	alad	!itcrowd2
2022-01-24 20:03:53	phrik	Well, have you tried shoving it up your arse?
2022-01-24 20:04:02	teraflops	ah different sd cards, nvm
2022-01-24 20:04:11	teraflops	heh
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2022-01-24 20:05:45	teraflops	AiO: same kernels?
2022-01-24 20:05:49	AiO	alad: shit! that worked....
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2022-01-24 20:05:56	alad	lmao
2022-01-24 20:05:58	AiO	teraflops: yah, upgraded both machines :)
2022-01-24 20:06:40	AiO	teraflops: hence, i'm suspicious about something that came up in the upgrades of the machines (since they worked for this yesterday) :)
2022-01-24 20:07:07	teraflops	there is a pacman log
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2022-01-24 20:08:16	teraflops	tried a non hardened kernel/lt kernel as suggested?
2022-01-24 20:08:53	AiO	nope. i think i'll skip trying that tonight tho.
2022-01-24 20:08:58	AiO	there is this (during boot) tho:
2022-01-24 20:09:00	AiO	[    1.899521] mmc0: cannot verify signal voltage switch
2022-01-24 20:09:13	AiO	never seen that before
2022-01-24 20:09:18	AiO	as i can recal
2022-01-24 20:09:21	AiO	recall
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2022-01-24 20:10:54	BrainDamage	I saw that often, unfortunately
2022-01-24 20:10:59	AiO	ok
2022-01-24 20:11:02	AiO	may be normal then
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2022-01-24 20:11:17	BrainDamage	sometimes unplugging and replugging the sd will get it detected
2022-01-24 20:11:23	BrainDamage	can even take multiple attempts
2022-01-24 20:11:27	AiO	but it's weird that it seems like the reader borks out after boot
2022-01-24 20:11:31	BrainDamage	sometimes a reboot is necesary
2022-01-24 20:11:39	AiO	ah
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2022-01-24 20:11:46	AiO	never had problems before... but...
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2022-01-24 20:12:01	BrainDamage	and the weirdest thing is that whenever a sd is plugged or not during boot makes the most difference
2022-01-24 20:12:10	BrainDamage	if it was plugged during boot, no issues
2022-01-24 20:12:24	BrainDamage	afterwards, can get that bug
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2022-01-24 22:33:46	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-24 21:52:54	ana_rchy	Namarrgon: i did it using the exact arch wiki steps tho
2022-01-24 21:53:19	ana_rchy	well, apparently... it now works after trying the same thing a second time
2022-01-24 21:53:32	ana_rchy	not really sure why...
2022-01-24 21:53:33	Namarrgon	did you remove /etc/pacman.d/gnupg first?
2022-01-24 21:53:37	ana_rchy	yes
2022-01-24 22:19:48	SponiX	Namarrgon: haven't read up to see the whole situation. but using MIT key server made things work better for me -> keyserver pgp.mit.edu
2022-01-24 22:24:21	topcat001	I recently had some issues with the ubuntu keyserver during a kernel build, but mit worked.
2022-01-24 22:33:46	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-24 22:48:56	kulak	If anyone recalls I reported an issue with Russian file names displayed using escape notation: \200\320\270 and so on.  It turns out this is only true when I am in `bash`.  When I loaded `fish` everything looks right.
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2022-01-24 22:49:41	BrainDamage	check what's your locale set at in both shells
2022-01-24 22:49:50	kulak	how?
2022-01-24 22:50:05	BrainDamage	locale, the command
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2022-01-24 22:51:03	kulak	bash reports all entries as C, but fish has "en_US.UTF-8" for LC_CTYPE and everything else is POSIX
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2022-01-24 22:52:07	BrainDamage	there's your problem then, set a unicode locale system-wide, so you won't have inconsistencies
2022-01-24 22:52:16	Ykey	hmm my russian filenames are completely fine 
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2022-01-24 22:52:52	Ykey	or there's some specific condition to trigger it?
2022-01-24 22:53:05	BrainDamage	it's a problem in their setup
2022-01-24 22:53:25	BrainDamage	having lang=c makes the shell read filenames with ansi encoding
2022-01-24 22:53:39	BrainDamage	while they are likely utf-8, as fish can read them
2022-01-24 22:54:23	kulak	yes, BrainDamage is correct.  what's the location for systemwide configuration?
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2022-01-24 22:54:55	BrainDamage	there's a wiki entry, I forgot
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2022-01-24 22:55:06	thurstylark	!aw locale
2022-01-24 22:55:07	phrik	thurstylark: Locale - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Locale
2022-01-24 22:55:17	kulak	thanks
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2022-01-24 22:57:55	kulak	`localectl set-locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8` fixed bash as well after relogin.
2022-01-24 22:58:11	kulak	I must've missed the installation step.  I did not have the file.
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2022-01-24 22:59:35	thurstylark	it's a pretty easy one to miss
2022-01-24 22:59:57	thurstylark	also easy to fix :P
2022-01-24 23:00:24	thurstylark	partition layout, less so :P
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2022-01-24 23:06:52	kulak	I think my favorite way of doing partitioning is now with sgdisk.  I can write down actual commands used to partition:   sgdisk --clear \
2022-01-24 23:06:52	kulak	    --new=1:0:+550MiB --typecode=1:ef00 --change-name=1:EFI \
2022-01-24 23:06:52	kulak	    --new=2:0:+465Gib --typecode=2:8300 --change-name=2:system \
2022-01-24 23:06:52	kulak	    $DRIVE
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2022-01-24 23:12:38	CarloWood	I'm writing an application, using C++. It will need directories to store configuration files. I already have ~/.config/ and ~/.local/share/. I am wondering: should I just start writing there, or is there some existing library that can give me various paths that typical applications would need?
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2022-01-24 23:14:06	mpan	CarloWood: not really an #archlinux topic, consider asking in ##programming or at #c++. But the actual keyword you want is XDG Base Directory Specification.
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2022-01-24 23:15:38	CarloWood	I dunno - it seems a distribution decision what common paths are. Or maybe Gnome and/or KDE would decide that and the rest rides along.  Or, xdg thus :) Thanks.
2022-01-24 23:16:49	mpan	It’s user’s decision, through XDG_* environment variables.
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2022-01-24 23:18:45	BrainDamage	there's no distro policy, user paths are managed by the individual programs, that being said, please respect xgd which gives the user a choice, unlike many other options
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2022-01-24 23:24:23	dandels	CarloWood: in my Rust program I just used a library that finds the platform-specific user/cache dirs etc
2022-01-24 23:24:23	dandels	which on linux is the xdg dirs
2022-01-24 23:24:23	dandels	ah, you specifically asked which library that would be, my bad :D
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2022-01-24 23:24:27	CarloWood	I found this, seems exactly what I need: https://github.com/peelonet/peelo-xdg/blob/master/include/peelo/xdg.hpp
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2022-01-25 10:14:49	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1433 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1433 normals)
2022-01-25 00:43:25	machinehum	What is the most commonly used ftp server?
2022-01-25 00:43:38	machinehum	There are serveral wiki's, just looking for a decent one
2022-01-25 00:43:47	BrainDamage	first stop and think if you really really need ftp
2022-01-25 00:43:56	BrainDamage	because there's much better protocols
2022-01-25 00:44:04	JTL	^
2022-01-25 00:44:14	machinehum	I want a Windows user to be able to change files on a server
2022-01-25 00:44:18	machinehum	Open to suggestions
2022-01-25 00:44:20	JTL	also not transport encrypted unless you use TLS or wrap it in an SSH tunnel, etc
2022-01-25 00:44:23	BrainDamage	then use samba
2022-01-25 00:45:40	machinehum	FTP not encrypted?
2022-01-25 00:45:53	machinehum	serious?
2022-01-25 00:46:14	JTL	plaintext FTP is not encrypted
2022-01-25 00:46:14	tirnanog	ftps is, but you might consider having this user use sftp instead (winscp, filezilla etc).
2022-01-25 00:47:34	JTL	I don't think SMB/Samba is encypted either, but it assumes you trust your LAN (lol) and encrypting that is another can of worms...
2022-01-25 00:47:37	NetSysFire	ftps is different from sftp
2022-01-25 00:47:41	JTL	^
2022-01-25 00:48:21	BrainDamage	ftps is ftp wrapped in tls, which means you'll still have all the problems of ftp
2022-01-25 00:48:33	umaxtu	is this a local network server or something on the internet?
2022-01-25 00:48:38	BrainDamage	while sftp is like a distant cousin which only shares the same scope
2022-01-25 00:58:15	feinedsquirrel	just creating a rescue disk, instead of a live-install I'm doing a full installation to a jump drive. I noticed that the efi system partition defaults to using iocharset=ascii instead of iso8859-1 when I run genfstab. My installed system (from a few years ago) shows iso8859. Do I need to update my host to be ascii now?
2022-01-25 01:00:42	Namarrgon	if you stick to the lower ascii set then the codepage won't matter
2022-01-25 01:02:11	Namarrgon	genfstab doesn't decide on this itself, it only picks up the currently used options
2022-01-25 01:03:45	feinedsquirrel	Oh. Just to clarify, the my old fstab, and the new one both specify codepage=437, and you are saying that if iocharset=ascii, then I don't need to have codepage specified at all?
2022-01-25 01:08:33	Namarrgon	they do different things but as long as you stick to the lower ascii set it won'T matter what you use
2022-01-25 01:11:13	feinedsquirrel	great, thank you! I've also been able to formulate better search queries with some of what you've said. Found a bunch more to read.
2022-01-25 01:11:50	Namarrgon	'man mount' should have a list of the default but they may change between releases
2022-01-25 01:15:50	feinedsquirrel	right, I've looked through the manpage, am more searching for more info on the nuances of selecting one or the other.
2022-01-25 01:18:49	kulak	Are we supposed to not touch distribution `/etc/nginx/nginx.conf`?  and if so, should we have equivalent of `conf.d` under nginx?
2022-01-25 01:19:48	NetSysFire	pacman wont overwrite your configs
2022-01-25 01:19:58	NetSysFire	instead, it will create pacnew files you need to watch out for
2022-01-25 01:34:22	kulak	thanks
2022-01-25 01:38:19	MrElendig	using a file per site is still a good idea though
2022-01-25 01:40:45	kulak	yes, my nginx.conf 17 lines and it ends with include sites-enabled/*.nginx;
2022-01-25 01:59:27	machinehum	Yeah Samba works great for linux mounted the drive fine
2022-01-25 01:59:38	machinehum	Nearly impossible getting my buddy on Windows access to it
2022-01-25 02:01:25	BrainDamage	check the workgroup
2022-01-25 02:03:12	machinehum	I just called in workgroup all caps on the server, but yeah I'll check on the Windows side
2022-01-25 02:05:39	machinehum	Yeah it's already set to that
2022-01-25 02:05:42	machinehum	balls
2022-01-25 02:45:35	topcat001	Do you get a password prompt on Windows while trying to mount the samba share?
2022-01-25 02:45:55	topcat001	or an error
2022-01-25 02:49:51	SponiX	kulak: you are looking for help with nginx ?
2022-01-25 02:54:29	Wapelo	is there a way to increase the text size during arch installation? my screen is small, making it hard to see.
2022-01-25 02:57:32	Namarrgon	"setfont ter-132n"
2022-01-25 02:57:39	Namarrgon	add -d if 32 isn't large enough
2022-01-25 02:59:13	Wapelo	it says ERROR setfont.c:72 do_loadfont: cannot double 16*32 font (limit is 16x16)
2022-01-25 02:59:23	Namarrgon	then 32 is all you get
2022-01-25 02:59:35	Wapelo	so i can't increase it? oof
2022-01-25 02:59:40	Namarrgon	you can
2022-01-25 02:59:45	Namarrgon	don't add -d
2022-01-25 02:59:50	Wapelo	it kept it the same
2022-01-25 03:00:01	Namarrgon	then you have to lower the resolution
2022-01-25 03:00:18	Wapelo	what's the command for that?
2022-01-25 03:04:38	Namarrgon	Wapelo: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/fb/modedb.html
2022-01-25 03:04:39	phrik	Title: modedb default video mode support — The Linux Kernel documentation (at www.kernel.org)
2022-01-25 03:05:11	Namarrgon	video=1920x1080@60
2022-01-25 03:05:14	Namarrgon	e.g.
2022-01-25 03:07:16	Wapelo	thank you!
2022-01-25 03:54:09	Ghosthree3	this may be a weird question, but can i set up a luks container for potential future use but have it be decryptable without a password until i decide to add one later?
2022-01-25 03:54:32	NetSysFire	you can add and remove key slots, you could look into this
2022-01-25 03:55:25	Ghosthree3	hm, i guess i could add a keyfile and embed it in the initramfs
2022-01-25 05:35:16	th0rne	MacGyver❱ This is the weirdest thing, but now my graphics work, and I didn't change anything. I couldn't find any of the settings you mentioned in bios.
2022-01-25 05:36:07	th0rne	The only thing I did "differently" was that I left the machine unplugged (from the socket) for like 5h instead of 5min. But… that couldn't matter, could it?
2022-01-25 05:37:58	th0rne	Does someone know what this means? >systemd-udevd[588]: could not read from '/sys/module/amd64_edac/initstate': No such device
2022-01-25 05:41:21	th0rne	It's kind of frustrating when issues like this "solve themselves", then when it happens again, you'll have no idea what to do - again.
2022-01-25 05:48:31	norbert	sbuild: anyone gotten sbuild to work? It fails with missing "hostname" program which, yes, there isn't.
2022-01-25 06:36:22	weltio	can someone enlighten me? https://dpaste.org/HJFB
2022-01-25 06:36:26	phrik	Title: dpaste/HJFB (Bash) (at dpaste.org)
2022-01-25 06:36:26	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oolt.txt
2022-01-25 06:37:10	kulak	SponiX, no, I am good.
2022-01-25 06:38:00	weltio	why is 3.0.9-2 added in favor of 3.0.13-1 - is the version test in repo-add wrong?
2022-01-25 06:39:01	Namarrgon	because it's the last one that you added
2022-01-25 06:39:39	weltio	Namarrgon: shouldnt --new handle that?
2022-01-25 06:40:14	weltio	Namarrgon: no obviously not..
2022-01-25 06:40:21	weltio	version checks do not happen in repo-add?
2022-01-25 06:40:29	Namarrgon	nope
2022-01-25 06:40:39	weltio	uff
2022-01-25 06:40:41	Namarrgon	it's a dumb tool
2022-01-25 06:40:55	weltio	square uff
2022-01-25 06:43:49	weltio	how do i check if my chache holds the current version for a each package of a list?
2022-01-25 06:47:21	e36freak	how do you expect to know what the current version is without syncing?
2022-01-25 06:47:35	weltio	e36freak: i can sync
2022-01-25 06:49:01	weltio	e36freak: i have bascially two caches
2022-01-25 06:49:51	weltio	and if cache 1 does not the current version of a package, the machine for chache 2 shall go and get it
2022-01-25 06:50:15	weltio	thats why i need to know which packacge in cache 1 is outdated
2022-01-25 06:50:36	weltio	would it be enough to symlink the pcakges of cache1 into cache2?
2022-01-25 06:50:43	weltio	and just Syw?
2022-01-25 06:50:59	Namarrgon	checking against a cache is a bit weird. what if the installed versions and cached versions differ?
2022-01-25 06:51:25	Namarrgon	or did you mean "repo" instead of "cache"?
2022-01-25 06:51:25	weltio	Namarrgon: the installed version is not of my concern
2022-01-25 06:51:59	weltio	Namarrgon: cache means the pacman cahce, but from it several pacakges are taken into my custom repo
2022-01-25 06:52:12	weltio	but that does not seem related
2022-01-25 06:52:14	weltio	:D
2022-01-25 06:52:14	⚡ 	Namarrgon backs away slowly
2022-01-25 06:52:28	e36freak	yeah this whole thing seems kinda... fucky and overly complicated
2022-01-25 06:52:36	weltio	e36freak: it is
2022-01-25 06:52:45	weltio	e36freak: but i do not see another way
2022-01-25 06:53:05	e36freak	just sync/download on the machine that's out of date?
2022-01-25 06:54:11	e36freak	-Sywu i think should download everything out of date but not install
2022-01-25 06:54:25	weltio	e36freak: the idea is to not waste disk space by downloading packages multiple times
2022-01-25 06:55:13	weltio	e36freak: "out of date" is checked against cached pacakges or pcaman "installed packages" db?
2022-01-25 06:58:01	grawity	lol just put all your machines caches in syncthing or something
2022-01-25 06:58:31	e36freak	installed, looks like
2022-01-25 06:58:45	weltio	e36freak: then its not a solution 
2022-01-25 06:58:55	weltio	the cache2 machine only downloads but does not install
2022-01-25 06:59:12	e36freak	i don't think pacman has the ability to check anything against a cache. you'd have to roll something yourself
2022-01-25 06:59:12	weltio	grawity: tell me about
2022-01-25 06:59:24	e36freak	unless dev tools have something like that
2022-01-25 06:59:49	weltio	e36freak: im happy with a custom solution
2022-01-25 07:00:08	e36freak	well i'm not writing it
2022-01-25 07:00:20	weltio	e36freak: thats a problem neither
2022-01-25 07:00:20	e36freak	knock yourself out
2022-01-25 07:00:57	weltio	just asked for helpful input on the hows before i write a crappy zsh script; maybe i do not know about an already existing helpful tool
2022-01-25 07:09:02	krion	e36freak: are you a bimmer ?
2022-01-25 07:09:38	e36freak	something like that
2022-01-25 07:10:42	krion	the e30 market is totally crazy
2022-01-25 07:50:24	txtsd	Thanks for adding quazip-qt6 to the official repo!
2022-01-25 08:17:15	⚡ 	WoC G'Night
2022-01-25 08:47:29	while	where are the good malware and virus development clubs at?
2022-01-25 08:48:08	labrador	Stop asking this everywhere lmao
2022-01-25 08:51:03	while	labrador: what's the correct channel?
2022-01-25 08:51:07	mefistofeles	labrador: they are a while true, what do you expect? :P
2022-01-25 08:51:12	jelle	 while nowhere on irc
2022-01-25 08:55:10	luigibu	morning! I have been testing wayland with plasma and work fine for now, however.. i notice that with an external screen connected.. there is no way to tell wich one is the primary. I could create a new task manager.. but what kruner for example? how can set it to open in a different screen? anyone with experience about it? thnaks
2022-01-25 08:55:18	while	<jelle> I found ##malware finally :D
2022-01-25 08:55:50	jelle	while: yes, but I still doubt your moral compass
2022-01-25 08:59:37	mikebutash_	You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy than that I'm sure.
2022-01-25 09:21:09	Jry	Good morning :)
2022-01-25 09:45:56	weltio	why does pacman ask for Replace quazip with extra/quazip-qt5? [Y/n] if its only supposed to download the package?
2022-01-25 09:45:58	weltio	Suw
2022-01-25 09:46:33	jelle	it needs to know which one to download
2022-01-25 09:47:05	weltio	jelle: it asks to replace something based on an installed poacakge but it wont replace it since it downloads only
2022-01-25 09:47:29	jelle	yes
2022-01-25 09:47:55	weltio	jelle: that sounds contradictious
2022-01-25 09:48:04	jelle	weltio: no?
2022-01-25 09:48:05	tirnanog	your response determines the final package set.
2022-01-25 09:49:07	tirnanog	this package set, in turn, determines that which will be downloaded.
2022-01-25 09:49:17	weltio	so the question is wrongly formulated
2022-01-25 09:49:48	weltio	tirnanog: i understand that
2022-01-25 09:50:08	weltio	but its a bit misleading
2022-01-25 09:50:24	jelle	it still only downlaods :)
2022-01-25 09:50:30	weltio	jelle: yes
2022-01-25 09:50:44	jelle	or is this some crontab question :P
2022-01-25 09:50:49	BrainDamage	what's downloaded is what's needed to be in cache for it to do the install operations
2022-01-25 09:50:52	post-factum	[PATCH 5.16 0000/1039] 5.16.3-rc1 review // a bunch of regressions incoming
2022-01-25 09:51:18	BrainDamage	if you already had it in cache, it wouldn't download it, yet it'd still prompt you for replacement
2022-01-25 09:51:20	jelle	post-factum: oh did the header change land? :)
2022-01-25 09:51:44	post-factum	jelle: no
2022-01-25 09:52:45	post-factum	hence i'm going to skip a couple of "stable" releases
2022-01-25 09:52:48	tirnanog	1039 patches in a stable release? good heavens.
2022-01-25 09:53:06	Khorne	git commit -am "fix typos"
2022-01-25 09:53:21	Foxboron	git add .
2022-01-25 09:53:23	jelle	post-factum: have some faith in gregkh!
2022-01-25 09:54:10	post-factum	nope, stable is screwed up regularly recently with those patch bombs
2022-01-25 09:54:29	post-factum	and it is not about gkh
2022-01-25 09:54:30	Khorne	Speak for yourself, I didn't have any issues so far
2022-01-25 09:54:41	post-factum	it is about their machine learning stuff that picks up random patches
2022-01-25 09:54:47	jelle	:O
2022-01-25 09:55:30	post-factum	Khorne: do not forget to plug in your computer using your power outlet…
2022-01-25 09:55:40	Khorne	Uh?
2022-01-25 09:56:19	post-factum	jelle: never noticed "AUTOSEL" prefix in LKML?
2022-01-25 09:56:53	jelle	post-factum: don't really follow LKML, only write the one kernel driver per 3 years or so :P
2022-01-25 09:57:25	post-factum	http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/2201.2/01209.html things like that
2022-01-25 09:57:26	phrik	Title: Linux-Kernel Archive: Re: [PATCH AUTOSEL 5.16 02/52] clk: samsung: exynos850: Register clocks early (at lkml.iu.edu)
2022-01-25 09:58:05	jelle	oh fun
2022-01-25 10:14:49	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-25 10:18:11	luigibu	plasma + wayland + external screen? what are the issues? thanks
2022-01-25 10:18:46	jelle	no issues, next!
2022-01-25 10:18:53	Khorne	if the screen is broken it won't work
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2022-01-25 10:20:54	luigibu	what about.. selecting primary screen?
2022-01-25 10:21:06	jelle	should be possible
2022-01-25 10:21:21	luigibu	the option is gonne with wayland.. 
2022-01-25 10:21:29	luigibu	is the only thing.. i noticed
2022-01-25 10:21:31	luigibu	so far
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2022-01-25 10:21:45	jelle	gnome can, so you can switch to gnome :)
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2022-01-25 11:32:56	setpill	Hey, running into an issue when trying to add a CA to my system wide cert store. As per the wiki I tried `sudo trust anchor [certificate.crt]` but this gives me `p11-kit: couldn't create object: The field is read-only`. 
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2022-01-25 11:33:44	setpill	Tried googling the error but not getting much wiser from it
2022-01-25 11:33:52	setpill	Anyone here who's run into this?
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2022-01-25 11:53:13	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-01-25 11:53:13	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1431 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1431 normals)
2022-01-25 11:51:45	while	jelle: its ok if we have a difference of opinion
2022-01-25 11:53:13	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-25 11:57:38	ℹ 	xoan1 es conocido ahora como xoan
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2022-01-25 12:07:05	bug2000	Hi. I just realized I update many Arch machines. What's the simplest way to configure a caching proxy for the packages?
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2022-01-25 12:07:22	jelle	while: I don't even know what your opinion is
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2022-01-25 12:07:47	Khorne	bug2000, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Network_shared_pacman_cache
2022-01-25 12:07:48	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-25 12:08:00	bug2000	jelle, while's opinion is Exists Not Jell Opinion.
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2022-01-25 12:08:23	bug2000	Not sure which though.
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2022-01-25 12:12:35	alad	I read that sentence 6 times
2022-01-25 12:12:38	alad	and I still don't get it
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2022-01-25 12:13:11	alad	oh, while is someone in this channel
2022-01-25 12:13:12	alad	lol
2022-01-25 12:13:12	bug2000	alad, Take the dominion of opinions and remove Jelle's from there. Now there exists some opinion in this set that while has.
2022-01-25 12:13:15	Earnestly	alad: Just silly people using words as nicks
2022-01-25 12:13:16	bug2000	Yes XD
2022-01-25 12:13:25	bug2000	domain*
2022-01-25 12:13:40	alad	I don't think opinions and mathematical concepts blend well
2022-01-25 12:13:56	jelle	alad / 0
2022-01-25 12:14:11	alad	jelle: 0
2022-01-25 12:14:16	jelle	I cancelled alad
2022-01-25 12:14:19	alad	rip
2022-01-25 12:14:28	jelle	alad: no it's Infinity in JS
2022-01-25 12:14:29	bug2000	Ney, you made him meaningless.
2022-01-25 12:14:41	alad	jelle: infinity is the limit to 0
2022-01-25 12:14:49	alad	lim x->0 alad/x
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2022-01-25 12:15:24	jelle	alad is so smart
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2022-01-25 12:15:45	alad	no I just wasted my life taking math lectures
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2022-01-25 12:17:55	bug2000	Khorne, Thanks. Now I'm trying to decide which is going to be simplest. Ngnix, Pacoloco or Flexo.
2022-01-25 12:18:02	bug2000	The server is going to run FreeBSD though.
2022-01-25 12:18:25	Khorne	Considering the other two sound like hipster server I've never heard about, nginx
2022-01-25 12:18:28	Khorne	:')
2022-01-25 12:18:33	Khorne	Definitely not opinionated
2022-01-25 12:18:34	bug2000	On a side note, will it be a problem if the caching server is going to have a lan ip? How badly will things break if I try to run pacman -Syu outside of home?
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2022-01-25 12:18:52	Khorne	bug2000, if the server is not reachable the next one in the mirrorlist will be tried
2022-01-25 12:18:57	bug2000	As if Engine X doesn't sound hipster.
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2022-01-25 12:22:03	teraflops	pacoloco lol
2022-01-25 12:22:23	◣	agvantibo (~agvantibo@79.165.99.155) ha salido (Client Quit)
2022-01-25 12:22:43	⚡ 	bug2000 checks what's his current web server on the web jail.
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2022-01-25 12:23:13	teraflops	a piece of software called pacoloco cant be taken seriously
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2022-01-25 12:24:39	bug2000	So I have hiawatha installed there, but it seems I have nothing there ever since I nuked my PXE server.
2022-01-25 12:24:58	⚡ 	bug2000 replaces the indian with engine X.
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2022-01-25 12:26:34	while	is it just me, or does anyone else remember how much they miss the ancient architecture of the internet when using waterfox with NPAPI plugins inside a virtual machine?
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2022-01-25 12:27:57	ℹ 	xoan4 es conocido ahora como xoan
2022-01-25 12:28:03	CarloWood	virtual machines and ancient?
2022-01-25 12:28:39	⚡ 	bug2000 remembers the day where VM's were sluggish to the point of useless for GUI content.
2022-01-25 12:28:49	Tom^	waterfox first release 2011
2022-01-25 12:28:51	Tom^	lol
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2022-01-25 12:29:21	Tom^	how is that ancient by any standards
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2022-01-25 12:29:54	while	no, I mean't like using a browser that supports NPAPI
2022-01-25 12:30:09	while	and using the plugins most "modern" web browsers disabled support for
2022-01-25 12:30:44	CarloWood	My first memory of internet is when I had to schedule an expensive dial-up from Europe to the United States to download some scientific papers. That was during that time when a 4 GB harddisk as expensive as a car was used for the whole physics department to store the data on that made a noise like a wash dryer.
2022-01-25 12:30:56	jelle	while: we aren't all masochistic
2022-01-25 12:31:01	Scimmia	!give while offtopic
2022-01-25 12:31:01	phrik	while: Take it to #archlinux-offtopic
2022-01-25 12:31:16	CarloWood	!give Scimmia getalife
2022-01-25 12:31:17	phrik	Scimmia: http://www.wikihow.com/Have-a-Life
2022-01-25 12:31:19	while	ok
2022-01-25 12:31:22	labrador	Do I NEED to use arch if i want a more exotic setup?
2022-01-25 12:31:32	Earnestly	no
2022-01-25 12:31:42	labrador	like refind,fde,zfs,etc..
2022-01-25 12:31:54	while	labrador: imho, Arch linux is the most exotic, but there are others
2022-01-25 12:32:09	jelle	labrador: ubuntu has support for FDE, ZFS in it's installer
2022-01-25 12:32:21	labrador	oh
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2022-01-25 12:32:38	while	I found arch was the easiest to create an installation with sshfs as the rootfs
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2022-01-25 12:33:07	kogasa	you can probably get away with fedora too
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2022-01-25 12:33:38	labrador	yeah it deffo sound easier to manually setup something compared to remove pre installed stuff and confs and then setup your own stuff
2022-01-25 12:33:57	while	personally I've felt that not supporting i686 is somewhat un-exotic, but that is fortunately an uncommon need now days
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2022-01-25 12:34:09	teraflops	labrador: the lack of an installer makes customs setups easier to perform tho
2022-01-25 12:34:18	ℹ 	leonarth_ es conocido ahora como leonarth
2022-01-25 12:34:20	labrador	yeah
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2022-01-25 13:00:52	alad	labrador: other distros have shells too you can use, during the installation process
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2022-01-25 13:03:36	teraflops	e.g for debian you can setup the system w/o using the installer at all as well (debootstrap)
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2022-01-25 13:04:07	alad	I used the parts of the ubuntu installer that worked for my purposes, and used the shell for parts it didn't
2022-01-25 13:04:20	alad	i.e. reasonable partitoning layout with luks
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2022-01-25 13:23:34	Voidwarper	what is the correct way to remove symlinks, rm or unlink?
2022-01-25 13:23:39	Voidwarper	are those identical?
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2022-01-25 13:24:07	ℹ 	pvdp4 es conocido ahora como pvdp
2022-01-25 13:25:37	tirnanog	rm uses the unlink syscall so they are conceptually the same.
2022-01-25 13:25:58	tirnanog	put another way, rm works fine.
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2022-01-25 13:27:03	thevishy	my sudo just hangs ... https://imgur.com/a/1eHyzHW
2022-01-25 13:27:05	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
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2022-01-25 13:27:28	thevishy	it seems to do connect and send to a file called /dev/log
2022-01-25 13:28:11	Voidwarper	tirnanog: unlink is that syscall directly?
2022-01-25 13:28:15	Voidwarper	so rm is a wrapper
2022-01-25 13:28:20	xecuter	hihio, i have a new hitec megamonster USB Stick with 200MB/sec :)  But: $ sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda1   <<----     Timing buffered disk reads: 132 MB in  3.00 seconds =  43.99 MB/sec  What is wrong? :( 
2022-01-25 13:28:27	thevishy	when I try to cat /dev/log, it says no much device or address
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2022-01-25 14:16:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-25 14:09:30	Namarrgon	without -xe
2022-01-25 14:09:37	Namarrgon	"journalctl -b"
2022-01-25 14:13:24	thevishy	let me do that
2022-01-25 14:16:34	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-25 14:17:07	bug2000	Khorne, Engine X works :)
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2022-01-25 14:18:41	Khorne	Nice
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2022-01-25 14:20:06	luigibu	how can I restart/restore plasma?
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2022-01-25 14:20:06	Khorne	Log out and then log back in to restart it
2022-01-25 14:20:06	Khorne	Define restore
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2022-01-25 14:20:52	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-25 14:20:54	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-25 14:27:42	MacGyver	th0rne: Oh the settings I mentioned have nothing to do with your graphics issue.
2022-01-25 14:27:57	MacGyver	They're just the basic virtualization and IOMMU settings which imo should be turned on in firmware anyway.
2022-01-25 14:39:17	vagozino	anyone else having problems with python 3.10?
2022-01-25 14:39:39	thevishy	Namarrgon, the file is pretty huge ... the only error I see is:
2022-01-25 14:39:41	thevishy	Jan 25 18:37:30 archlinux kernel: hv_balloon: Unhandled message: type: 42144
2022-01-25 14:39:41	thevishy	Jan 25 18:37:30 archlinux systemd-journald[354751]: Missed 28 kernel messages
2022-01-25 14:39:41	thevishy	Jan 25 18:37:30 archlinux kernel: hv_balloon: Unhandled message: type: 9244
2022-01-25 14:39:50	MacGyver	vagozino: You'll have to be more specific.
2022-01-25 14:40:13	vagozino	MacGyver: just asking. Some apps are breaking in general. 
2022-01-25 14:40:17	bug2000	vagozino, Yes. It is slow, just like any other version of python.
2022-01-25 14:40:30	MacGyver	vagozino: My problems are unlikely to be your problems.
2022-01-25 14:40:42	MacGyver	Define "breaking", "in general", and "some apps".
2022-01-25 14:40:55	thrice	step 1, rebuild anything python you have from the aur
2022-01-25 14:41:19	vagozino	I symlinked python 3.9 to /usr/bin/python and that seemed to fix the problems
2022-01-25 14:41:28	vagozino	is that something that is ok to do?
2022-01-25 14:41:30	MacGyver	Then you must do what thrice said.
2022-01-25 14:41:34	MacGyver	No, that's not okay.
2022-01-25 14:41:55	bug2000	thrice, Is there a step 2 for that?
2022-01-25 14:42:08	thevishy	Namarrgon, https://termbin.com/q667
2022-01-25 14:42:09	thrice	usually not
2022-01-25 14:42:10	bug2000	vagozino, How did you even come up with this wrong solution?
2022-01-25 14:42:17	thevishy	This is my journactl -b output
2022-01-25 14:42:37	vagozino	bug2000: Well, I thought it was just like downgrading a python version
2022-01-25 14:42:51	vagozino	I guess that isn't the case
2022-01-25 14:42:51	thevishy	Can that cause /dev/log socket to be closed + sudo to hang? If so, what can be done about that.
2022-01-25 14:42:53	bug2000	!give vagozino ABI stability
2022-01-25 14:42:54	phrik	vagozino: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
2022-01-25 14:42:57	bug2000	!give vagozino g ABI stability
2022-01-25 14:42:59	phrik	vagozino: No results found.
2022-01-25 14:43:07	thrice	vagozino: undo the symlink.  Is it just your AUR stuff?
2022-01-25 14:43:18	bug2000	vagozino, Look up what ABI stability is. In general, things break horribly if you ignore it.
2022-01-25 14:43:21	thrice	you need to rebuild it for the new major python version
2022-01-25 14:44:02	Namarrgon	thevishy: how much ram is assigned to the vm and how much of it is in use?
2022-01-25 14:44:40	thevishy	8 gb is assigned, only 4.8 gb is used
2022-01-25 14:44:57	vagozino	bug2000: ok I get it now. It symlinking seemed like a hack anyway
2022-01-25 14:47:04	vagozino	Having a major python version come out must be a pain
2022-01-25 14:47:13	luigibu	how can i check wich app is using a given port?
2022-01-25 14:47:48	bug2000	luigibu, netstat was the old answer. There's probably something better these days.
2022-01-25 14:47:51	jelle	luigibu: ss -tulpn
2022-01-25 14:48:04	luigibu	thnaks!
2022-01-25 14:48:04	thevishy	I am doing a system restart systemd-journald to see if that helps
2022-01-25 14:48:13	MacGyver	I like ss -tulpen
2022-01-25 14:48:17	MacGyver	Easy to remember.
2022-01-25 14:48:21	jelle	luigibu: and if it runs as root, execute it as root
2022-01-25 14:49:08	luigibu	thnaks! i found it. very usefull command.
2022-01-25 14:49:26	Namarrgon	thevishy: is it a fixed amount or is it dynamic?
2022-01-25 14:49:37	Namarrgon	thevishy: filter out the balloon messages and post the rest
2022-01-25 14:50:09	thevishy	thats the only message I see in journalctl, let me confirm that again
2022-01-25 14:50:36	Namarrgon	did you recently nuke the journal?
2022-01-25 14:51:07	vagozino	!help
2022-01-25 14:51:08	phrik	vagozino: Use the 'list' command to list all plugins, and 'list <plugin>' to list all commands in a plugin. To show the help of a command, use 'help <command>'. 
2022-01-25 14:55:27	thevishy	when you say nuke, do you mean that clean command which I do?
2022-01-25 14:55:36	Namarrgon	yes, that one
2022-01-25 14:56:19	thevishy	I don't remember doing that after this issue happened (sudo getting stuck) ... the thing is it needs sudo, so it would have hung as well 
2022-01-25 14:56:41	thevishy	the only error i see in the journal is this hv_balloon stuff
2022-01-25 14:57:27	thevishy	316mb of the same data (which is very odd)!
2022-01-25 14:57:32	Namarrgon	now then's a good time to fix this, too
2022-01-25 14:58:12	thevishy	fix which one Namarrgon? I still don't know what is causing sudo to hang ... except that a broken /dev/log seems to be causing that.
2022-01-25 14:58:30	Namarrgon	fix the hv_balloon spam, then you can at least look at the logs
2022-01-25 14:58:47	thevishy	ah okay
2022-01-25 14:59:59	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-01-25 15:00:14	thevishy	https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220119223246.GA1539@anparri/T/
2022-01-25 15:00:16	phrik	Title: [PATCH] Drivers: hv: balloon: account for vmbus packet header in max_pkt_size (at lore.kernel.org)
2022-01-25 15:00:35	Namarrgon	unload and blacklist the module if you're not using dynamic memory anyway
2022-01-25 15:01:07	thevishy	I do see this: "When the
2022-01-25 15:01:07	thevishy	driver tries to read next packet it starts from a wrong read_index,
2022-01-25 15:01:07	thevishy	receives garbage and prints a lot of "Unhandled message: type:
2022-01-25 15:01:08	thevishy	<garbage>" in dmesg."
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2022-01-25 15:01:32	thevishy	right Namarrgon, got you ... I will probably stop using dynamic memory in that case
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2022-01-25 15:01:47	thevishy	but this is not connected to the real problem?
2022-01-25 15:01:54	Namarrgon	you didn't answer that question when i asked
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2022-01-25 15:03:05	thevishy	oh I am sorry, I meant to say that is is dynamic, but I could make it 8gb fixed as well
2022-01-25 15:03:27	thevishy	i don't have a problem either ways ... 8 gb should work for me
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2022-01-25 15:04:42	thevishy	strange ... after playing around with those commands, sudo seems to work now
2022-01-25 15:04:58	Namarrgon	which commands?
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2022-01-25 15:06:16	Namarrgon	if i had to guess i would say that you ran out of ram at some point and the oom-killer started killing processes and that journald fell victim to it eventually due to all that log spam
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2022-01-25 15:07:00	thevishy	i did `sudo systemctl restart systemd-journald-dev-log.socket` which failed; and `sudo restart systemd-journald` which kind of hung and so I did a ctrl-c
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2022-01-25 15:07:32	thevishy	ah right ... that is interesting (this happens like after a day or so)
2022-01-25 15:07:44	thevishy	so memory increasing might have something to do with it
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2022-01-25 15:08:14	thevishy	and dynamic memory didn't help? (or perhaps that failed?)
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2022-01-25 15:08:26	Namarrgon	dynamic memory probably cause it
2022-01-25 15:08:42	thevishy	right
2022-01-25 15:08:55	thevishy	i will move to fixed and see what happens
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2022-01-25 15:09:56	thevishy	this has been going on for 6 months ... this time i had a root terminal open so that i could strace
2022-01-25 15:10:53	thevishy	I should not be doing so journalctl commands?
2022-01-25 15:11:02	thevishy	Like would that cause a problem like this ...
2022-01-25 15:11:14	Namarrgon	which journalctl commands?
2022-01-25 15:12:34	thevishy	sudo find /var/log -type f -delete and sudo find /var/log/journal -name "*.journal" | xargs sudo rm -f
2022-01-25 15:12:44	thevishy	(sorry those are not journalctl happens)
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2022-01-25 15:13:01	thevishy	i got this from the wiki to clean up journal logs
2022-01-25 15:13:03	Namarrgon	i don't see why anyone would want to do that
2022-01-25 15:13:17	thevishy	right, i will remove them
2022-01-25 15:13:50	Namarrgon	set a lower size limit in journald.conf if you want but just nuking the entire thing doesn't seem sensible to me
2022-01-25 15:14:17	Namarrgon	the next day something explodes and you won't have any logs
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2022-01-25 15:14:48	thevishy	yeah, that was a terrible thing to do
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2022-01-25 15:15:59	thevishy	so linux has a specific module to support microsoft's hyperv?
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2022-01-25 15:16:41	nicholaus04	Howdy arch folks!
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2022-01-25 15:16:58	amadeus-haessler	Hello
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2022-01-25 15:17:37	Namarrgon	thevishy: yes, as with kvm/vbox/vmware/etc
2022-01-25 15:18:23	nicholaus04	I was thinking of building the kernel from scratch, just to enable the boot/tux logo just for the heck of it.
2022-01-25 15:18:32	thevishy	Thanks Namarrgon, didn't know that (and it is quite interesting to know)
2022-01-25 15:18:42	ℹ 	noctux es conocido ahora como kuyatzu
2022-01-25 15:18:55	Namarrgon	nicholaus04: i don't think that the logo works with kms/drm
2022-01-25 15:18:59	ℹ 	kuyatzu es conocido ahora como noctux
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2022-01-25 15:20:35	thevishy	(Also Namarrgon, when this issue happens, I have a hard time rebooting my VM as well ... Often need to kill it from Windows or restart it ... so memory seems like a good explanation)
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2022-01-25 15:20:59	Namarrgon	thevishy: does it have any swap?
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2022-01-25 15:28:16	jonathon	does anyone know of any documentation/guide/whatever for active noise cancellation using pipewire/easyeffects/something? essentially, i want to take microphone input as a "background" noise source and invert/cancel that on audio output to headphones
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2022-01-25 15:32:57	astroid	jonathon: Look at Reaper plugins. afaik they have ReaFIR which has a "reverser" to reverse polarity
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2022-01-25 15:35:08	astroid	Should run with a plugin host, I usually use Carla, but haven't tinkered with those plugins. Check https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=193761
2022-01-25 15:35:08	jonathon	thank you, i'll have a look
2022-01-25 15:35:08	Foxboron	jonathon: Any reason for not buying a proper headset :p?
2022-01-25 15:35:23	Foxboron	Sony WH-1000MX4 is totes one of the best things I bought the past... 2-3 years
2022-01-25 15:35:26	jonathon	i'm also looking at https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/wikis/Filter-Chain#rnnoise-example but i'm currently stuck at "load_ladspa_plugin()] failed to load plugin 'ladspa/librnnoise_ladspa': No such file or directory"
2022-01-25 15:35:28	phrik	Title: Filter Chain · Wiki · PipeWire / pipewire · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
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2022-01-25 15:35:53	jonathon	Foxboron: that's fine if getting one in a few days is OK as opposed to trying to work through someone drilling next door right now :P
2022-01-25 15:36:16	Foxboron	haha
2022-01-25 15:36:19	Foxboron	yes, understandable
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2022-01-25 15:36:24	Foxboron	Throw rocks at them
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2022-01-25 15:36:45	jonathon	they'd only start breaking them with a jackhammer -.-
2022-01-25 15:37:44	th0rne	MacGyver❱ Ah, I see, thanks.
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2022-01-25 15:38:56	teraflops	Foxboron: if they are as good as the WH-1000MX3 you did a great purchase
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2022-01-25 15:42:58	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-01-25 15:42:58	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1445 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1445 normals)
2022-01-25 15:42:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-25 15:44:51	Foxboron	teraflops: it's one of the only things I own that I bought on the pre-sale
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2022-01-25 15:45:35	teraflops	ldac ^
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2022-01-25 15:47:41	Namarrgon	how many goats would i need to buy to make it work on linux?
2022-01-25 15:48:02	teraflops	ldac? no goats it's in the AUR ;)
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2022-01-25 15:48:45	cdown	teraflops: agreed on that, had these xm3s for... 4 years now i think? still going strong
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2022-01-25 15:49:18	cdown	and the pressure effects of noise cancellation are a lot less noticeable than with the bose qcs last i tried
2022-01-25 15:50:29	teraflops	it think the package is pulseaudio-modules-bt-git
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2022-01-25 15:55:55	ℹ 	xoan6 es conocido ahora como xoan
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2022-01-25 15:56:25	bionade24	Hi, I've read the latest announcement, but I still don't know what linux-firmware-whence exactly is. Only linux-firmware-mellanox etc. are clear to me. Can anyone please explain this?
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2022-01-26 15:12:40	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1457 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1457 normals)
2022-01-26 04:55:22	Ghosthree3	you are using arch and not a derivative right
2022-01-26 04:55:27	mefistofeles	pacmRNA
2022-01-26 04:56:12	drathir_tor	kingkoronov: just blind guess idea but maybe hw decoding crashing...
2022-01-26 04:57:51	kingkoronov	!paste
2022-01-26 04:57:51	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-01-26 04:58:46	kingkoronov	Namarrgon: https://bpa.st/OUXA
2022-01-26 04:58:47	phrik	Title: View paste OUXA (at bpa.st)
2022-01-26 04:59:24	Namarrgon	remove mozplugger and try again
2022-01-26 05:01:34	kingkoronov	Namarrgon: I did and same thing.
2022-01-26 05:04:47	Namarrgon	can you create a clean account and try there, too?
2022-01-26 05:06:11	kingkoronov	yeah, just did.
2022-01-26 05:06:17	kingkoronov	clean profile, right?
2022-01-26 05:06:24	Namarrgon	clean user account
2022-01-26 05:06:48	kingkoronov	oh, like linux user?
2022-01-26 05:06:53	Namarrgon	yep
2022-01-26 05:06:58	kingkoronov	ok I'll try that
2022-01-26 05:12:21	wyre	hi guys, I'm having issues with GPG signatures when installing the meta package gnome
2022-01-26 05:13:41	Ghosthree3	pacman -Syu archlinux-keyring ?
2022-01-26 05:14:31	Ghosthree3	gnome doesnt appear to have a meta package btw, its a group?
2022-01-26 05:14:54	xecuter	is this command correct?  $ sudo rsync -aAXvP --exclude={"/dev/*", "/proc/*", "/sys/*", "/tmp/*", "/run/*", "/mnt/*", "/media/*", "/lost+found"} / /mnt/harddrive/    <--- now, my problem is:  "/mnt/harddrive/mnt/harddrive/mnt/harddrive/mnt/harddrive/mnt/harddrive/mnt/harddrive/mnt.....'  rsync error: error in file IO (code 11) at receiver.c(393) [receiver=3.1.2]
2022-01-26 05:16:05	SponiX	wyre: https://dpaste.com/2CRUYL3NL
2022-01-26 05:16:17	SponiX	wyre: I've had good luck with that mit key server
2022-01-26 05:16:49	Ghosthree3	your user gpg.conf keyserver shouldnt be relevant for repo packages afaik?
2022-01-26 05:16:53	wyre	SponiX, I've solved this with `sudo pacman-key --populate archlinux`
2022-01-26 05:17:02	wyre	but thanks 😉
2022-01-26 05:17:09	SponiX	wyre: glad to hear you got it
2022-01-26 05:17:09	kulak	FYI: zsh-grm-config can read /etc/zsh/zshrc.local.  That's the file to use to put shared configuration.
2022-01-26 05:17:28	kingkoronov	OK I set up a new account and it's doing the same thing
2022-01-26 05:18:09	Ghosthree3	pgp.mit.edu has been iffy for me, ubuntu's keyserver is working though and is what i was told to swap to after the great sks fell :(
2022-01-26 05:19:01	Ghosthree3	xecuter: not sure why its failing to exclude that, but if you are only backing up the single drive you could just add -x to bandaid it
2022-01-26 05:23:57	xecuter	now i have to delete /mnt/harddrive/mnt, first, that need long time  hmmmm
2022-01-26 05:39:14	kulak	xecuter, you might get better help in Linux.  Seems like you have a general Linux shell problem.
2022-01-26 05:40:26	xecuter	:-o but i have this hint from an arch linux arm odroid tutorial
2022-01-26 06:00:24	kulak	what's the good location for system maintenance scripts?
2022-01-26 06:07:11	llua	/usr/local/s?bin won't be in the way of files own by packages, but anywhere in PATH is fine
2022-01-26 06:13:15	kulak	llua, thanks.  I kind of came to the same conclusion: https://askubuntu.com/questions/308045/differences-between-bin-sbin-usr-bin-usr-sbin-usr-local-bin-usr-local
2022-01-26 06:13:17	phrik	Title: command line - Differences between /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/sbin - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
2022-01-26 06:16:00	mpan	kulak: be aware that on Arch “/bin”, “/usr/bin”, “/sbin” and “/usr/sbin” are the same directory.
2022-01-26 06:16:26	mpan	(not directly relevant for your question, but important to know while reading that threat linked)
2022-01-26 06:16:36	mpan	*thread
2022-01-26 06:16:47	NetSysFire	!usrmerge
2022-01-26 06:16:48	phrik	https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-March/022625.html
2022-01-26 06:21:38	while	mpan: thats good to know
2022-01-26 06:24:56	NetSysFire	see also the mail i just linked
2022-01-26 06:26:36	Ghosthree3	glad that happened tbh, that split is just annoying
2022-01-26 06:27:40	NetSysFire	yeah agreed
2022-01-26 07:04:44	mpan	gumbo: [code] is the right one for logs.
2022-01-26 07:09:15	gumbo	thanks all
2022-01-26 07:14:14	LordRishav	Hmmm, BBCode looks better than Markdown actually
2022-01-26 07:22:27	radcolor	?
2022-01-26 07:22:28	espresso	then i went to btrfs; all well
2022-01-26 07:50:21	kulak	MacGyver, you were right.  giving other access to to files and directories was not right or necessary.  I ended up adding backup user to every group that had files to backup.  It did not take that long.
2022-01-26 08:02:34	megumin	piperwire doesn't work after update
2022-01-26 08:03:00	megumin	wireplumber[4225]: Failed to set scheduler settings: Operation not permitted
2022-01-26 08:04:25	megumin	pipewire-pulse[2123]: mod.protocol-pulse: client 0x55f5f987fc20 [Firefox]: ERROR command:-1 (invalid) tag:5 error:25
2022-01-26 08:20:29	megumin	wireplumber is broken the old version is working
2022-01-26 08:28:03	xecuter	since i have installed pipewire. i do not have sound with mplayer and vlc.
2022-01-26 08:29:47	tbreslein	@xecuter did you only install pipewire, or did you also install some of the compatability plugins like pipewire-alsa and/or pipewire-pulse?
2022-01-26 08:31:24	xecuter	yes plugins as like as pipewire-alsa, pipewire-pulse, pipewire-jack ... are installed, too
2022-01-26 08:32:37	xecuter	now i have test an other mp4 file. there i have sound .....
2022-01-26 08:32:59	xecuter	lol? perhaps the mp4 is broken, i delete it.
2022-01-26 08:34:14	tbreslein	@xecuter oh, so it's a couple .mp4 files? if you open something like a youtube video in your browser everything's fine?
2022-01-26 08:34:44	xecuter	ya i was wondering because with firefox i had never problems
2022-01-26 08:36:22	xecuter	but in telegram i am missing my old sound devices. it is a telegram problem or pipewire? as like as settings - output : just standard and JACK <-- but G35 USB Headset is missing
2022-01-26 08:37:29	xecuter	as i had pulseaudio installed, there were always be my headset in the drop down menu.
2022-01-26 08:38:05	tbreslein	do you have some other software where you can test whether your headset is properly detected, like discord, or zoom or something like that?
2022-01-26 08:38:13	tbreslein	just so we can narrow down what the problem is
2022-01-26 08:38:22	xecuter	so i have to select headset in system settings the headset and connect into voice channel. after this i have to reset to hd audio, that i listen over speakers again
2022-01-26 08:39:34	xecuter	in discord... all is fine
2022-01-26 08:39:46	tbreslein	I never used anything audio related with telegram, so if that is the problem, I'm afraid I won't be able to help you
2022-01-26 08:40:03	xecuter	ja i think so too. i can just tell
2022-01-26 08:41:49	tbreslein	hm, weird. could still be a pipewire problem since who knows which pipewire plugin telegram tries to use and maybe that is what is creating the issue. maybe you could install audio mixers (just terminal ones to test this real quick) for both interfaces and then check if those work
2022-01-26 08:42:09	tbreslein	for the alsa interface you could use amixer, and I think a good pulse one would be pavucontrol
2022-01-26 08:42:44	tbreslein	but I think the chance to find your issue that way is pretty slim, tbf
2022-01-26 08:43:01	tbreslein	it's just the last thing that comes to mind for me lol
2022-01-26 08:43:39	tbreslein	but at least then you would be sure that the plugins/interfaces work correctly
2022-01-26 08:52:06	xecuter	ya, a testing script would be fine. so that incompatible apps, unavaible plugins, useless additionals .... etc. <- because i do not know what is alsa, pulse.... and the difference. perhaps i had installed buggy crap that is now annoying me. i dunno
2022-01-26 08:55:31	whydoesarchnot	what is the proper way of doing what vipw does in arch?
2022-01-26 08:56:04	whydoesarchnot	vipw -s doesn't exist since shadow utils is not used so how does one edit shadow files? just open in vim?
2022-01-26 09:03:01	espresso	whydoesarchnot:  passwd et.al., normally..  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Users_and_groups#User_database  explains more about shadow and other options
2022-01-26 09:03:03	phrik	Title: Users and groups - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-26 09:04:10	whydoesarchnot	so open in vim and be careful right?
2022-01-26 09:05:09	espresso	whydoesarchnot: normally it's not hand-edited, but tools like passwd are used
2022-01-26 09:06:24	whydoesarchnot	what if i want to delete a particular entry in /etc/passwd?
2022-01-26 09:06:31	whydoesarchnot	or in /etc/shadow?
2022-01-26 09:07:55	tbreslein	@whydoesarchnot what would you want to do that for that?
2022-01-26 09:08:24	espresso	whydoesarchnot: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Users_and_groups explains how to create, delete, etc. without damaging
2022-01-26 09:08:26	phrik	Title: Users and groups - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-26 09:08:45	whydoesarchnot	i changed username recently and i wanted to delete an entry containing my old name. i did it anyway with vim and nothing broke but i want to know the proper way tbreslein
2022-01-26 09:10:28	tbreslein	oh, interesting. when I did something like that I just created a new user and deleted the old one (with useradd and userdel respectively), but I guess, if you aren't too afraid of breaking something, your approach is quicker lol
2022-01-26 09:10:51	whydoesarchnot	yes i followed a stackoverflow answer
2022-01-26 09:10:56	whydoesarchnot	one sec ill send answer
2022-01-26 09:11:27	whydoesarchnot	https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/230426
2022-01-26 09:11:28	phrik	Title: Proper way of changing username in Ubuntu or any linux - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2022-01-26 09:11:52	whydoesarchnot	the mistake i had done is instead of saying /home/newusername i had done /home/oldusername
2022-01-26 09:12:12	whydoesarchnot	so i rebooted into root and did a usermod -m -d /home/newusername newusername again
2022-01-26 09:12:30	whydoesarchnot	then just cleaned up the old username from wherever it still remained
2022-01-26 09:13:16	whydoesarchnot	tbreslein but that will not preserve all dotfiles right?
2022-01-26 09:13:36	whydoesarchnot	this will just create like a carbon copy, much quicker
2022-01-26 09:15:24	tbreslein	whydoesarchnot my approach, you mean? I would just copy the home folder over and recursively change the file owners, but yeah, that is one extra step because dotfiles are technically gone
2022-01-26 09:17:00	tbreslein	but, looking into the SO thread, in case I run into a situation like that in the future, I might do that instead
2022-01-26 09:22:30	whydoesarchnot	great :D
2022-01-26 10:25:24	pbnoxious	because of the PwnKit exploit that is currently making the news: is there a simple way to list all _explicitly_ installed packages that (directly or indirectly) depend on a package?
2022-01-26 10:26:30	pbnoxious	Like I can see with `pacman -Qi polkit` that it is required e.g. by udisks2, but as I did not install that package explicitly I'd then have to check also the dependencies of udisks2 to find what I actually installed that requires it
2022-01-26 10:29:39	espresso	pbnoxious: I find this useful! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Rosetta
2022-01-26 10:29:40	phrik	Title: pacman/Rosetta - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-26 10:30:57	jelle	pbnoxious: polkit has been patched :)
2022-01-26 10:32:50	pbnoxious	jelle: I've seen that, it was more a matter of curiosity which packages that I use rely on it (turns out quite a few)
2022-01-26 10:33:13	jelle	pbnoxious: pacman -Qi polkit :)
2022-01-26 10:33:57	pbnoxious	jelle: but that only lists the direct dependencies, which I might have installed as dependencies, hence my initial question
2022-01-26 10:35:09	Khorne	I dont think there is a *simple* way, pactree can probably be wrangled to do something like that
2022-01-26 10:36:55	Khorne	pactree -r polkit shows a very little list for me
2022-01-26 10:37:28	grawity	because of arch's stupid practice of not adding dependencies if they're pulled in indirectly
2022-01-26 10:37:51	grawity	"oh this gtk3 app doesn't need to depend on gtk3 because it already depends on foo->bar->bluh->quux->gtk3"
2022-01-26 10:38:18	pbnoxious	pactree -r is close enough, looking at the end of the lines gives a good impression
2022-01-26 10:38:58	grawity	nevermind that, yeah, if you look at the whole tree then yes
2022-01-26 10:40:46	Ghosthree3	pbnoxious: something like pacman -Qi $(pacman -Qqe) | grep -B8 '^Depends.*polkit' | grep Name | awk '{print $3}'
2022-01-26 10:40:46	Ghosthree3	?
2022-01-26 10:40:49	Ghosthree3	seems to work for me
2022-01-26 10:45:11	pbnoxious	it does not for me, although I wonder why… the grep search does not return anything when piped in the details of all packages… it works fine when replacing $(pacman -Qqe) with e.g. udisks2
2022-01-26 10:45:51	Ghosthree3	well for me that spits out 3 packages which all make sense
2022-01-26 10:45:53	espresso	pacman using the pipe :)
2022-01-26 10:45:55	pbnoxious	ah, it doesn't work because of the reason grawity said: I have no explicit dependencies
2022-01-26 10:46:05	Ghosthree3	oh, remove the e part from -Qqe then
2022-01-26 10:46:10	Ghosthree3	for all packages
2022-01-26 10:47:53	pbnoxious	that should just return the "Required by" line of `pacman -Qi polkit`
2022-01-26 10:48:27	Ghosthree3	ah true
2022-01-26 10:48:39	pbnoxious	but what I wanted was all packages that I explicitly installed that somehow indirectly depend on polkit, so you have to resolve the tree
2022-01-26 10:49:00	Ghosthree3	yea i guess if you never explicitly installed them you cant get what you want then. but then again what you wanted was a list of packages you _explicitly_ installed that depend on it, and that list is empty, you didnt explicitly install anything
2022-01-26 10:49:08	Ghosthree3	ah indirectly...
2022-01-26 10:49:21	pbnoxious	(interestingly filtering the packages for their "Depends on" line yields one more package requiring polkit than `pacman -Qi polkit`
2022-01-26 11:01:51	weltio	is the -U parameter already in mkinitcpio?
2022-01-26 11:01:59	weltio	or still git-only?
2022-01-26 11:02:24	jelle	weltio: you can execute mkinitcpio --help right ;-)
2022-01-26 11:02:27	jelle	yes it is in there
2022-01-26 11:02:46	weltio	jelle: only if id install the non-gitversion first...
2022-01-26 11:03:11	jelle	a very big ask :)
2022-01-26 11:03:15	jelle	!man mkinitcpio
2022-01-26 11:03:15	phrik	jelle: https://man.archlinux.org/man/mkinitcpio#
2022-01-26 11:03:49	weltio	do these man pages get updated with the packacges?
2022-01-26 11:05:09	Ghosthree3	man pages are part of the package afaik
2022-01-26 11:05:29	weltio	Ghosthree3: yes.... i meant the man.archlinux.oirg 
2022-01-26 11:05:36	jelle	yes, they are pulled from the packages
2022-01-26 11:13:38	jfew03f	Hello, I remapped some keys following https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xmodmap I set the left shift as alt and the right shift as shift. The problem comes when i use Alt+Shift+certain keys p.e. Return or dot
2022-01-26 11:13:39	phrik	Title: xmodmap - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-26 11:14:48	jfew03f	which can be the problem and how could i fix it?
2022-01-26 11:20:04	seneram	Goodmorning everyone.
2022-01-26 11:34:24	kode54	hey, uh
2022-01-26 11:34:25	kode54	http://ca.us.mirror.archlinux-br.org/$repo/os/$arch
2022-01-26 11:34:37	kode54	that mirror hasn't been updated since december 14th
2022-01-26 11:34:56	kode54	maybe I should require my mirrorlist fetches to include server status
2022-01-26 11:38:47	weltio	does it happen to anybody else that the filechooser in virtualbox freezes? e.g. when selecting a new iso to boot from... using the filechoosers textinput works though
2022-01-26 11:38:56	Jry	Goodmorning @seneram :)
2022-01-26 11:41:08	gn0me	Yo just checking, but is the Polkit cve issue already patched on arch ?
2022-01-26 11:42:13	grawity	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commits/packages/polkit/trunk
2022-01-26 11:46:27	gn0me	@grawity ill take that as a yes
2022-01-26 11:47:06	Zetta1Reid0	Hello . I have some problem booting my Arch install with "resume" kernel parameter.I think it started after I switched (base udev) hooks with systemd in the initial ram image. I am currently stuck at " Doing a start job for /boot/SWAP" (/boot/SWAP is my swap file). Any help is appreciated.
2022-01-26 11:47:23	wingstroke	hi folks, I'm trying to install a pkg using pacman -U, but would like to enable signature checks in pacman. I downloaded the key file *.pkg.tar.xz.asc. How can I use this file to verify the signature?
2022-01-26 11:48:19	wingstroke	I tried adding the key using pacman-key --add *.pkg.tar.xz.asc. but I see the error no valid openpgp data found
2022-01-26 11:49:02	grawity	wingstroke: that's not a key file – that most likely *is* the signature
2022-01-26 11:49:48	wingstroke	grawity: oh, how do I use it...?
2022-01-26 11:50:14	grawity	are you installing from a URL or from a locally downloaded file?
2022-01-26 11:50:27	grawity	where is the package hosted – do you know who's supposed to have signed it?
2022-01-26 11:51:40	Zetta1Reid0	Doesn't pacman by default verify the signature if the --skippgpcheck is not specified ?
2022-01-26 11:51:45	wingstroke	i'm installing from a downloaded file. At the site, they have both the pkg and the signature. Then I changed the pacman config to require signature for local pkgs
2022-01-26 11:52:00	grawity	Zetta1Reid0: only for URLs and repo packages, not for local files
2022-01-26 11:52:11	grawity	and I think it expects the signature to be named .sig, not .asc
2022-01-26 11:52:14	wingstroke	pkg is hosted here: https://www.expressvpn.com/latest#linux
2022-01-26 11:52:16	phrik	Title: Download the latest apps | ExpressVPN (at www.expressvpn.com)
2022-01-26 11:53:07	wingstroke	grawity: in that case, if I rename the .asc to .sig and then import it to pacman keyring, is that right?
2022-01-26 11:53:18	grawity	still no, because it's not a key, it's a signature
2022-01-26 11:53:21	Jry	Does anyone have a good MySQL client? I want something with vim keybindings and auto complete.
2022-01-26 11:53:48	kode54	rofl
2022-01-26 11:53:58	grawity	tbh it looks like the site provides signatures meant for manual `gpg --verify` rather than automated verification via pacman
2022-01-26 11:54:09	kode54	the ZFS DKMS package now causes a log spew of distutils Python deprecation warnings
2022-01-26 11:54:10	wingstroke	oh i see
2022-01-26 11:54:26	grawity	it's still the same signature format, and the same kind of key etc
2022-01-26 11:54:45	grawity	but as you noticed pacman doesn't verify local file sigs by default,
2022-01-26 11:54:50	grawity	(and it'd expect .sig)
2022-01-26 11:55:03	grawity	so just run `gpg --verify express*.asc` to manually verify it before installing
2022-01-26 11:55:13	wingstroke	grawity: sure, okay in that case i'll revert config and do the manual verification. thanks!
2022-01-26 11:55:17	grawity	as for the actual key, it should be published *somewhere* in the website
2022-01-26 11:55:41	kode54	maybe they expect keyservers to actually work (lol)
2022-01-26 11:55:43	grawity	indeed there's a page https://www.expressvpn.com/support/vpn-setup/pgp-for-linux/
2022-01-26 11:55:44	phrik	Title: Verify the ExpressVPN Linux App Using PGP | ExpressVPN (at www.expressvpn.com)
2022-01-26 11:55:59	grawity	whether keyservers work or not doesn't make any difference
2022-01-26 11:56:26	grawity	because literally anyone can upload a key labelled "ExpressVPN <reallynotfake@expressvpn.com>" to a keyserver
2022-01-26 11:56:33	kode54	true
2022-01-26 11:56:39	grawity	the point of having it in the website is so that you know it's the *correct* key
2022-01-26 11:56:57	kode54	what if someone MITMs your website and implants a different key id
2022-01-26 11:57:46	grawity	well, depends on whether the actual download is straight from the website or not
2022-01-26 11:58:12	kode54	meanwhile
2022-01-26 11:58:12	grawity	if you download the package from a CDN and the key from the actual website, then you kinda expect the website to be less likely to be hacked than a random-ass mirror
2022-01-26 11:58:23	kode54	I haven't updated any packages on my server since december 14th
2022-01-26 11:58:32	grawity	otoh if they both come from the same website, then the whole signature is not very useful at all
2022-01-26 11:58:34	kode54	because the mirror that rankmirrors picked as top choice hasn't updated since then
2022-01-26 12:14:44	wingstroke	quit
2022-01-26 12:19:19	stargazer	hi, first time here
2022-01-26 12:20:42	alad	oh no
2022-01-26 12:21:05	espresso	!welcome
2022-01-26 12:21:05	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-01-26 12:22:44	stargazer	hey, didnt fuck up anything just checking irc (new to irc)
2022-01-26 12:22:45	espresso	the robot jests. hi
2022-01-26 12:23:00	stargazer	i dont use arch though 
2022-01-26 12:31:33	Ghosthree3	interesting
2022-01-26 12:55:48	vagozino	When I do 'pass insert <foo>' and then type my password and press enter, nothing happens. I have my gpg key set. Anyone know what could be wrong? 
2022-01-26 12:56:25	baltazar	hi! how do I enable printing dmesg during boot?
2022-01-26 12:57:46	thrice	do you have "quiet" passed to your bootloader?
2022-01-26 13:00:32	xecuter	I need special packages for Card-Reader? If i insert the SD card + Reader into my Win7Notebook all is fine. But if i connect it into my ArchLinuxCompi.... than the SD card will every minute found.
2022-01-26 13:06:42	baltazar	thrice: nope
2022-01-26 13:07:11	baltazar	systemd messages are shown, but I want to see dmesg as well
2022-01-26 13:07:23	grawity	loglevel=4
2022-01-26 13:07:35	grawity	actually no, arch's default is 4, you probably want 3
2022-01-26 13:07:42	grawity	or 2
2022-01-26 13:15:25	baltazar	grawity: thanks!
2022-01-26 13:24:39	CarloWood	Does anyone know which package is responsible for setting my XDG_CONFIG_DIRS env var to "/home/carlo/.config/kdedefaults:/etc/xdg"?  Most notably, adding that kdedefaults - that directory doesn't even exist :/
2022-01-26 13:36:14	roxlu	hey! yesterday I noticed something that I can't really explain. When I try into ssh on a local RPI, e.g. `ssh name.local` it never sshs into the device; but when I hit CTRL + C, then execute `ssh name.local` directly it logs in immediately. 
2022-01-26 13:37:04	roxlu	I was just trying to use `sar -r -u -o test.dat 1`  and noticed that it's also not taking snapshops every second, but rather ~5 seconds and it also takes -a long- time before it starts. I'm wondering if these issues might be related.
2022-01-26 13:45:53	Jry	roxlu: have you tried ssh to the RPI IP adress?
2022-01-26 13:48:50	roxlu	thanks! I just noticed that it has an extra IP address and I don't remember setting that one :) 
2022-01-26 13:50:34	roxlu	going to remove that one
2022-01-26 13:53:06	roxlu	Jry: awesome that was the issue!
2022-01-26 13:56:19	cyphertite	CarloWood:  I run KDE/Plasma5 here and have xdg-user-dirs installed.  No ~/.config/kdedefaults folder exists locally 
2022-01-26 13:56:29	roxlu	Ok, I think the issue with `sar` was related to several mounts I created. 
2022-01-26 13:56:40	⚡ 	roxlu all good now ^.^
2022-01-26 13:56:49	CarloWood	cyphertite: what is your $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS ?
2022-01-26 13:58:30	cyphertite	CarloWood:  as I told you:  bash: /home/user/.config/kdedefaults:/etc/xdg: No such file or directory
2022-01-26 13:59:38	CarloWood	I suppose you just typed $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS on your prompt :P.  Why not: echo $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS
2022-01-26 14:00:46	cyphertite	echo = /home/user/.config/kdedefaults:/etc/xdg
2022-01-26 14:01:12	CarloWood	k, and my question was: which package did add that "/home/user/.config/kdedefaults" part there.
2022-01-26 14:01:35	CarloWood	I grepped /etc and /usr/share - but nothing.
2022-01-26 14:01:54	cyphertite	have you googled it?
2022-01-26 14:02:52	CarloWood	yes
2022-01-26 14:04:19	tpr	CarloWood: https://lxr.kde.org/search?%21v=kf5-qt5&_filestring=&_string=kdedefaults&_casesensitive=1 (the last match, maybe?)
2022-01-26 14:04:23	phrik	Title: /kf5-qt5 general search: kdedefaults (at lxr.kde.org)
2022-01-26 14:08:28	cyphertite	CarloWood:  I think you are better served by asking on #kde; this does not appear to be an Arch issue
2022-01-26 14:13:24	CarloWood	tpr: indeed! Line 364 of https://lxr.kde.org/source/plasma/plasma-workspace/startkde/startplasma.cpp
2022-01-26 14:13:26	phrik	Title: /kf5-qt5/plasma/plasma-workspace/startkde/startplasma.cpp (at lxr.kde.org)
2022-01-26 14:13:37	CarloWood	No wonder I couldn't find it in a config file on my harddisk.
2022-01-26 14:16:16	tpr	:)
2022-01-26 14:40:04	MrElendig	that is pretty insane
2022-01-26 14:58:13	jbg	i have a service which netboots using archiso by downloading the kernel, initramfs and rootfs from an HTTPS server. at the moment i'm running it with 1GB RAM, but i don't actually need that much RAM once the service is up. but if i reduce it to 512MB, archiso fails to boot
2022-01-26 14:58:30	jbg	(Initramfs unpacking failed: write error)
2022-01-26 14:58:44	jbg	any tips for slimming archiso?
2022-01-26 14:59:27	MrElendig	use the netboot iso instead?
2022-01-26 14:59:53	jbg	ah, i left that part out: i'm building the archiso myself based on the config for the netboot iso
2022-01-26 14:59:57	jbg	it still seems to need more than 512MB
2022-01-26 15:00:04	MrElendig	modify it to use less then
2022-01-26 15:00:12	jbg	yes, that's what i'm asking for tips for :)
2022-01-26 15:00:20	MrElendig	you can strip out a lot of unneded packages, locales etc
2022-01-26 15:00:29	MrElendig	and reduce the size of the squashfs
2022-01-26 15:01:07	MrElendig	if you want a really minimal image, you can make a static one in <200Mib
2022-01-26 15:01:22	MrElendig	actually, probably closer to 50
2022-01-26 15:01:51	MrElendig	basically just bash and pacman-static
2022-01-26 15:03:44	MrElendig	if this isn't a one time thing, consider creating your own "cloud" image?
2022-01-26 15:03:56	MrElendig	+and
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2022-01-26 15:27:19	jbg	is pacman needed to boot arch?
2022-01-26 15:27:49	jbg	i never install or upgrade any packages on the running system, i just upload a new image and reboot it
2022-01-26 15:28:21	jbg	i guess i have my own "cloud" image, unless that has a specific meaning in arch
2022-01-26 15:28:22	kulak	jbg, not needed
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2022-01-26 15:28:35	jbg	cool, i can strip that out too ;)
2022-01-26 15:29:24	kulak	jbg, sounds like you are making an embedded Linux system.  There are some out there that do that already.
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2022-01-26 15:30:51	kulak	I worked for company that used one, forgot its name.  we built Linux image for small devices and run our software on it
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2022-01-26 15:32:58	jbg	kulak: it's actually a stateless network server, running on cloud instances
2022-01-26 15:33:52	kulak	jbg, there is always FreeBSD, but that out of topic.
2022-01-26 15:33:56	jbg	the main concern is to have them as close to the users as possible, but they don't use much resources. so we deploy in almost every cloud region across multiple clouds. at the moment we use the second-smallest instance type, but we could use the smallest if we can get the image size down a bit
2022-01-26 15:34:11	jbg	we have basically no BSD knowledge in-house so i guess we'd want to stick with linux :)
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2022-01-26 15:35:06	jbg	we could also burn actual images to avoid the whole squashfs into ram part, but then we have to have the whole image build pipeline dealing with cutting images for multiple clouds etc
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2022-01-26 15:35:19	jbg	at the moment it just cuts one archiso and uploads it to an S3 bucket, and the servers all boot with ipxe
2022-01-26 15:35:43	brjl	jbg: You don't happen to be running a RabbitMQ cluster on EC2, are you?
2022-01-26 15:35:46	⚡ 	jelle plugs https://www.osbuild.org/documentation/ :P
2022-01-26 15:35:47	phrik	Title: OSBuild – Build-Pipelines for Operating System Artifacts (at www.osbuild.org)
2022-01-26 15:36:06	jbg	brjl: no, they're TURN servers for realtime audio/video
2022-01-26 15:36:14	jbg	lots of network but hardly any CPU/memory requirement
2022-01-26 15:36:19	brjl	Shit.
2022-01-26 15:36:23	brjl	Alright.
2022-01-26 15:36:29	jbg	i love rabbitmq though
2022-01-26 15:36:36	jbg	used to use it a lot in a previous job
2022-01-26 15:36:45	jbg	great piece of software when used properly
2022-01-26 15:36:49	brjl	I can't make an EC2 cluster for my life.
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2022-01-26 15:37:02	brjl	I'm pretty sure it's an AWS thing.
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2022-01-26 15:37:19	Earnestly	fortunately life doesn't need ec2 clusters
2022-01-26 15:38:41	brjl	If it did I'd have a work or two with Bezos.
2022-01-26 15:38:47	brjl	Followed by a bullet or two.
2022-01-26 15:39:09	seneram	Yikes
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2022-01-26 15:40:07	seneram	To be fair though. I hate aws and the hype arround it, soooo many missinformed devs and managers driving cloud adoption for workloads not siuted for it and now causing a LOT of "return to home" projects.
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2022-01-26 15:40:15	BrainDamage	it's easier to to change bezos to beNzos, aka benzodiazepines
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2022-01-26 15:40:29	Khorne	Appropriate nickname
2022-01-26 15:40:32	BrainDamage	makes you think twice if you really need them
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2022-01-26 15:40:42	seneram	Hah
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2022-01-26 15:42:30	brjl	BrainDamage: Should've said that to the people who decided on using their services around here.
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2022-01-26 15:43:26	seneram	One of my former places i was head of datacenter had a hard rule, move 10% of workload to AWS per year. AND handed the 3000 devs on staff an no limit creditcard account to AWS.
2022-01-26 15:43:34	seneram	If there was a tickbox for it... It was enabled.
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2022-01-26 15:43:51	seneram	I quit as head of datacenter for obvious reasons.
2022-01-26 15:44:31	Khorne	They couldn't affor you anymore after AWS took all the money?
2022-01-26 15:44:46	brjl	Probably, yes.
2022-01-26 15:45:16	seneram	Hah nah, i legit quit because i wouldnt want my name anywhere near that shitstorm brewing and other issues that was coming.
2022-01-26 15:45:38	jbg	meh, they're fine as a provider of virtual machines with fairly good reliability and good quality connectivity. as soon as you go beyond that into all their value-add services it's just different ways for them to lock you in
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2022-01-26 15:46:44	Earnestly	I still sometimes think about how lowtech magazine's solar website survived frontpage hackernews for a day
2022-01-26 15:46:47	jbg	at $work we're using a bunch of different clouds so we basically don't use anything other than VMs & bandwidth from any of them. if we had to use separate providers for all the different locations... it would be a lot more complex
2022-01-26 15:46:50	Earnestly	runs on rpi
2022-01-26 15:47:31	seneram	But they went from a 5 year lifeplan costing full refresh of the 10 ish datacenters about 25 million per 5 years to with 20% of workload being on AWS having a 30 million euro per year pricetag (not 5 years) and the workload moved by then was the easy things with barely any need to do region transit. The rest remaining was central databases that everything tied into and content delivery and
2022-01-26 15:47:31	seneram	similar.
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2022-01-26 15:47:37	Khorne	Earnestly, it's amazing what you can achieve when you don't back it with an unnecessarily complex software stack :')
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2022-01-26 15:47:40	jbg	yeah, tbh it's pretty easy to make a website that can handle the hug of death. you just have to avoid any web technologies from the last decade or so ;)
2022-01-26 15:47:54	Earnestly	Khorne: I wonder how extreme this is
2022-01-26 15:48:02	◣	tam1m (~tam1m@user/tam1m) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-01-26 15:48:09	Earnestly	https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/power.html
2022-01-26 15:48:10	phrik	Title: Power | LOW←TECH MAGAZINE (at solar.lowtechmagazine.com)
2022-01-26 15:48:15	Khorne	Yea, I know the site
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2022-01-26 15:48:38	jelle	a rpi, what rpi?
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2022-01-26 15:49:51	Earnestly	jelle: Hm, https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/about.html#hardware it's olimex a20
2022-01-26 15:49:55	phrik	Title: About this website | LOW←TECH MAGAZINE (at solar.lowtechmagazine.com)
2022-01-26 15:49:59	Earnestly	https://homebrewserver.club/low-tech-website-howto.html#server
2022-01-26 15:50:01	phrik	Title: homebrewserver.club (at homebrewserver.club)
2022-01-26 15:50:17	jelle	oh wow A20
2022-01-26 15:50:21	jelle	oldie
2022-01-26 15:50:42	jelle	anyway nginx can handle an outreagous amount of connections so I'm not too suprised
2022-01-26 15:50:47	Khorne	ye
2022-01-26 15:52:00	Earnestly	(I had to check, it doesn't use cloudflare)
2022-01-26 15:52:26	bjorger	xorg often freezes up on me randomly. how do i check what's wrong?
2022-01-26 15:52:26	BrainDamage	I have an A20 in my nas too
2022-01-26 15:52:33	BrainDamage	still works like a charm to date
2022-01-26 15:52:35	bjorger	I don't want xorg to freeze up ever
2022-01-26 15:52:38	bjorger	i use i3
2022-01-26 15:52:42	Earnestly	lighttpd is also fairly grand, btw
2022-01-26 15:52:57	Earnestly	It routinely takes advantage of deep kernel specific APIs for performance as well
2022-01-26 15:52:58	jelle	bjorger: check dmesg?
2022-01-26 15:53:14	BrainDamage	I think the main thing is that it's a static website
2022-01-26 15:53:24	Earnestly	I made greyhttpd wrapper so that I can use lighttpd as darkhttpd, but with cgi and features
2022-01-26 15:53:34	BrainDamage	so all caching works with you, rather than against you
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2022-01-26 15:54:41	Foxboron	Earnestly: I have been frontpage on HN several times and had none of my cheap servers taken down
2022-01-26 15:54:45	Earnestly	https://0x0.st/ooFz.sh
2022-01-26 15:54:53	Earnestly	Foxboron: Simple websites?
2022-01-26 15:54:59	Foxboron	Earnestly: very simple
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2022-01-26 15:55:47	Earnestly	Yeah, I wonder what difference it makes.  It seems like an extremely important optimisation because some websites full of js go down and then complain aws costs are thousands or tens of thousands, and this seems absurd to me
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2022-01-26 15:56:11	bjorger	jelle: couldn't grep xorg
2022-01-26 15:56:19	jelle	bjorger: no, you look for drm issues :)
2022-01-26 15:56:20	Foxboron	That's beause people host their websites on S3 buckets/serverless stuff and don't realize that cloud companies earn money on egress
2022-01-26 15:56:24	Earnestly	bjorger: Might be gpu crashing, dmesg
2022-01-26 15:56:28	Foxboron	or well ingress/egress
2022-01-26 15:56:43	Khorne	Foxboron, yea but then you just add Cloudflare in front of that!
2022-01-26 15:56:52	Foxboron	Khorne: Not everyone does that, though
2022-01-26 15:56:59	Khorne	And its not free either :P
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2022-01-26 15:57:21	bjorger	https://0x0.st/ooFi.txt
2022-01-26 15:57:26	Earnestly	bjorger: E.g. https://0x0.st/ooF-.txt
2022-01-26 15:57:48	Earnestly	bjorger: don't grep, look with less, keeps context
2022-01-26 15:57:54	bjorger	oh
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2022-01-26 15:58:19	Earnestly	But tht happens sometimes to me, often it freezes for a bit then returns.  Rarely does it freeze for good, sysrq combos work though
2022-01-26 15:58:21	post-factum	let the pita begin https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/22253
2022-01-26 15:58:50	jelle	post-factum: pls fix my systemd-networkd issue as well!
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2022-01-26 15:59:12	bjorger	so what do i look for?
2022-01-26 15:59:14	Earnestly	Hm, systemd-resolved for me when connection loss can spin up to 100% cpu usage, until connection comes back
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2022-01-26 15:59:44	Earnestly	bjorger: I'd suggest scanning through journalctl -b for anything unusual
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2022-01-26 16:00:10	Earnestly	journalctl tries to help by colouring entries of concern
2022-01-26 16:00:35	Earnestly	But once you have general whitelist in your mind, only interesting things stand out
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2022-01-26 16:02:34	bjorger	is this sysrq thing easier to setup than troubleshooting this thing?
2022-01-26 16:02:52	◥	The_Loko (~The_Loko@79.116.24.80) has joined #archlinux
2022-01-26 16:03:04	Earnestly	bjorger: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Keyboard_shortcuts#Kernel_(SysRq)
2022-01-26 16:03:06	phrik	Title: Keyboard shortcuts - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-26 16:03:38	post-factum	jelle: which one?
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2022-01-26 16:03:51	bjorger	i saw that but that leads to the wikipedia page
2022-01-26 16:03:57	jelle	post-factum: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/22237 well might be networkmanager related :P
2022-01-26 16:04:17	bjorger	oh ok the systemd section next to it is relevant right?
2022-01-26 16:05:05	post-factum	jelle: nah, i do not have nm 😛
2022-01-26 16:05:27	jelle	it's unrelated yeah ;-)
2022-01-26 16:05:43	bjorger	is it weird that this stuff never happened with kde or a DE?
2022-01-26 16:06:00	Earnestly	bjorger: maybe, plasma is compositor
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2022-01-26 16:08:24	jbg	i noticed that if i remove pacman from packages.x86_64 in the archiso tree, then it fails to build with "Creating a list of installed packages on live-enviroment... error: config file /etc/pacman.conf could not be read: No such file or directory"
2022-01-26 16:08:36	jbg	is there a way to have it remove some packages after finishing the build?
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2022-01-26 16:17:20	deuxexmachina	About to update for the first time in a year :P
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2022-01-26 16:17:24	deuxexmachina	*sweating* :P
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2022-01-26 16:17:37	deuxexmachina	Seems I just need to 'pacman -S archlinux-keyring' first
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2022-01-26 16:22:52	hendrikpern	Yep.
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2022-01-26 16:28:59	gumbo	wow haven't update in a year
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2022-01-26 16:29:20	gumbo	deuxexmachina: your lucky your not on gentoo
2022-01-26 16:29:26	deuxexmachina	gumbo: it is a server :P
2022-01-26 16:29:31	gumbo	oh ok
2022-01-26 16:29:34	deuxexmachina	I'll move it to alpine or void eventually
2022-01-26 16:29:54	deuxexmachina	So far this has been ok, just need to update every 3-4mo instead
2022-01-26 16:29:58	deuxexmachina	but forgot about this one
2022-01-26 16:30:13	gumbo	deuxexmachina: is it a vm?
2022-01-26 16:30:15	deuxexmachina	it only really needs docker to run... and I like having later version
2022-01-26 16:30:20	deuxexmachina	it is on a VPS yes
2022-01-26 16:30:46	gumbo	ok g2g take kids to school :P
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2022-01-26 16:31:09	deuxexmachina	homeschoolingFTW!
2022-01-26 16:31:11	`ryban	ciao gumbo
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2022-01-26 16:38:03	GuiToris	what the heck?! is this supported/recommended? https://aur.chaotic.cx/
2022-01-26 16:38:06	phrik	Title: Chaotic-AUR - automated building repo for AUR packages (at aur.chaotic.cx)
2022-01-26 16:38:10	Earnestly	GuiToris: no
2022-01-26 16:38:25	thrice	what would make you think it's supported
2022-01-26 16:38:36	jelle	my eyes
2022-01-26 16:39:00	GuiToris	¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it has a key
2022-01-26 16:39:17	mgariepy	hello, i have arch installed on zfs and grub /etc/grub.d/10_linux script need to be modified in order to correct the grub.cfg file creation, is there a way to prevent this file in /etc to being overwritten on pkg upgrade?
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2022-01-26 16:39:20	Earnestly	jelle: rollover effects
2022-01-26 16:39:20	jelle	GuiToris: anyone can generate a gpg key :)
2022-01-26 16:39:34	jelle	Earnestly: the whole colorscheme is just eyecancer for me :(
2022-01-26 16:39:36	Earnestly	(hover, I guess, macromedia flash action script days...)
2022-01-26 16:39:43	GuiToris	ok, get it, thanks :)
2022-01-26 16:40:10	jelle	GuiToris: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unofficial_user_repositories
2022-01-26 16:40:11	phrik	Title: Unofficial user repositories - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-26 16:40:21	jelle	interesting it isn't listed ^_^
2022-01-26 16:41:06	GuiToris	I'd tried searching chaotic, it's not on archwiki
2022-01-26 16:41:21	GuiToris	I haven't realized there are other repositories as well
2022-01-26 16:41:24	GuiToris	good to know
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2022-01-26 16:42:38	thrice	https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/release/2.33/master
2022-01-26 16:42:40	phrik	Title: sourceware.org Git - glibc.git/shortlog (at sourceware.org)
2022-01-26 16:42:40	demonicmaniac1	everybody can make a repo just like everybody can make a ppa
2022-01-26 16:42:53	thrice	Should it be concerning to see "CVE" in glibc and not having a maintained toolchain in arch
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2022-01-26 16:43:21	demonicmaniac1	thrice why when polkit is broken and everything is wide open anyways :P
2022-01-26 16:43:47	thrice	polkit was patched
2022-01-26 16:44:05	thrice	glibc is covered in a year of dust
2022-01-26 16:44:10	GuiToris	I just realized there are a number of manjaro maintainers on AUR, it may not be a bad thing, but they usually don't notice that there packages don't work under Arch :/
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2022-01-26 16:44:24	Khorne	Then they get deleted
2022-01-26 16:45:07	demonicmaniac1	thrice: fwiw sunrpc is not part of glibc 2.26+ if memory serves
2022-01-26 16:45:15	demonicmaniac1	so that cve only affects old glibc versions
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2022-01-26 16:46:47	demonicmaniac1	and 2.26 is from q1 2018
2022-01-26 16:46:57	demonicmaniac1	so yeah - that only affects debian oldstable and rhel lts
2022-01-26 16:47:00	thrice	the two commits in the last 3 days?
2022-01-26 16:47:05	demonicmaniac1	yes
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2022-01-26 16:47:26	thrice	you're looking at two previous, I think
2022-01-26 16:47:55	demonicmaniac1	i looked at the ones with CVE in the title
2022-01-26 16:48:13	demonicmaniac1	oh it was cut off
2022-01-26 16:48:44	Earnestly	thrice: (Not to mention security fixes that don't get cve tags)
2022-01-26 16:49:20	Earnestly	Not too hard to keep glibc up to date, I ran -git for years without having to worry about other parts
2022-01-26 16:49:25	Earnestly	Or, didn't seem to affect me
2022-01-26 16:49:30	demonicmaniac1	3998 isn't really severe, 3998 is really bad though
2022-01-26 16:49:38	demonicmaniac1	er
2022-01-26 16:49:42	demonicmaniac1	3999 isn't really severe
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2022-01-26 16:49:54	thrice	I'm more on the "why isn't it a big deal that the toolchain is unmaintained" train :)
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2022-01-26 16:50:42	thrice	Earnestly: yeah, too lazy, I must admit :>
2022-01-26 16:51:03	thrice	actually, from gentoo days, glibc wasn't as bad to compile vs. gcc, iirc
2022-01-26 16:51:12	Earnestly	What I mean to imply is that I'm not entirely sure why glibc is held back if it doesn't effect rest of toolchain
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2022-01-26 16:51:54	thrice	ah, got it
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2022-01-26 16:52:15	post-factum	jelle: aaand it got resolved, so i created https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73516
2022-01-26 16:52:16	phrik	Title: FS#73516 : [systemd] systemd-networkd crashes regularly since v250 (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-01-26 16:52:17	gumbo	thrice: i was also on gentoo and never had issues. i never compiled glibc though. always had a bin for the big stuff
2022-01-26 16:52:58	jelle	post-factum: oh nice
2022-01-26 16:53:15	jelle	post-factum: assigned to eworm \o/
2022-01-26 16:53:31	post-factum	kthx
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2022-01-26 16:56:09	post-factum	very cute of them to have a CI check for Arch btw
2022-01-26 16:56:16	jelle	\o/
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2022-01-26 16:57:55	Earnestly	They ought to, Arch devs (initially) were major contributor to systemd
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2022-01-26 20:37:47	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1473 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1473 normals)
2022-01-26 20:33:58	jimr	if i read right using pacman -Qtdq finds orphan packages on my system...
2022-01-26 20:34:18	jimr	could i then use pacman -Qtdq | -Rns to remove them 
2022-01-26 20:36:16	jimr	oprhan as in files that are not used by anything else...i find electron 13..but i dont even know what it is lol
2022-01-26 20:37:47	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-26 20:40:24	jimr	just not sure if removing them would break the system
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2022-01-26 20:40:55	thurstylark	jimr: you could use something like pactree to see what depends on specific packages
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2022-01-26 20:41:18	jimr	so like sudo pactree ?
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2022-01-26 20:42:47	jimr	so sudo pactree -r electron13
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2022-01-26 20:42:51	thurstylark	sudo is unnecessary, but yeah
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2022-01-26 20:44:40	jimr	ah ok think i got it..
2022-01-26 20:44:44	jimr	thanks
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2022-01-26 20:49:47	TheDcoder	Hi, why doesn't Arch security have the latest polkit CVE on it? https://security.archlinux.org/CVE-2021-4034
2022-01-26 20:51:22	doasnim	jimr: man pages have nice explanation, pacman -Qtdq means list all packages that were installed as dependencies but are no longer required by any other package
2022-01-26 20:51:50	NetSysFire	TheDcoder: because the security team (#archlinux-security) is comprised entirely of volunteers
2022-01-26 20:52:11	TheDcoder	NetSysFire: Ah... I thought it might be automated
2022-01-26 20:52:20	TheDcoder	Can I help?
2022-01-26 20:53:01	jimr	yea im on the arch man page now reading it...was just making sure tho
2022-01-26 20:54:05	NetSysFire	!give TheDcoder aw getting involved
2022-01-26 20:54:06	phrik	TheDcoder: Getting involved - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Getting_involved
2022-01-26 20:54:07	NetSysFire	yes you can
2022-01-26 20:54:31	TheDcoder	Thanks, will look into the wiki
2022-01-26 20:55:11	MacGyver	TheDcoder: Also I did see one person saying polkit is fixed this morning.
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2022-01-26 20:55:20	MacGyver	TheDcoder: So w.r.t. that, update and you should be fine.
2022-01-26 20:55:48	TheDcoder	MacGyver: Right, I think the exploit was already patched in an update before it was announced publicly
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2022-01-26 20:58:49	weltio	hwclock --systohc is not supposed to work in a chroot?
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2022-01-26 21:00:12	thurstylark	weltio: you'll get better help if you can describe the issue you're having
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2022-01-26 21:00:21	thurstylark	also clock stuff is easy to fix after install 
2022-01-26 21:00:28	weltio	thurstylark: hwclock: Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method.
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2022-01-26 21:00:32	weltio	arch-chroot /mnt
2022-01-26 21:00:55	weltio	thurstylark: yeah the idea is it shall be called during installation in a script
2022-01-26 21:01:04	Nucleos	In the Install guide it's written that you should do precisely that, so it's supposed to work yes: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/installation_guide#Chroot
2022-01-26 21:01:06	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-26 21:01:26	weltio	well outside the chroot i can call it without problems
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2022-01-26 21:02:13	weltio	No usable clock interface found.
2022-01-26 21:02:24	TheDcoder	MacGyver: It's fixed as of 0.120-4
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2022-01-26 21:02:56	weltio	ah, got it
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2022-01-26 21:10:44	jimr	,
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2022-01-26 21:11:00	thurstylark	,
2022-01-26 21:11:08	jimr	lol just trying something
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2022-01-26 21:11:39	thurstylark	!check if jimr was successful
2022-01-26 21:11:39	phrik	Testing if jimr was successful: [PASS]
2022-01-26 21:11:46	thurstylark	congrats :P
2022-01-26 21:12:21	jimr	thanks thats good to know..was just trying to change the color of the text i type
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2022-01-26 21:14:03	thurstylark	!next
2022-01-26 21:14:03	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2022-01-26 21:33:29	MacGyver	Huh.
2022-01-26 21:33:33	MacGyver	That's... interesting.
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2022-01-26 21:33:46	MacGyver	sshfs-mount from a normal user.
2022-01-26 21:33:59	MacGyver	Listing it with root gets a permission denied.
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2022-01-26 21:34:50	MacGyver	(Not an issue, but weird.)
2022-01-26 21:35:04	MacGyver	Root also can't see permissions on it, while the user can.
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2022-01-26 21:35:12	MacGyver	Never seen this before.
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2022-01-26 21:39:54	Hydragyrum	same thing happens for a lot of userspace mounts
2022-01-26 21:40:10	Hydragyrum	it's pretty much just the way FUSE works
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2022-01-26 21:49:05	vd	hi there -- how can I extract the partition given its label from a disk image?
2022-01-26 21:50:28	mpan	vd: `sudo losetup -P -f --show YOURFILE`, the entire image will be mounted as a block device and partitions will be detected. Then you use it as a normal block device.
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2022-01-26 21:57:43	vd	mpan: but I don't want to mount it, I just want to extract the partition into a new image, like you could do with dd
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2022-01-26 21:59:53	mpan	vd: you can do that with any command you want after doing it.
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2022-01-26 22:01:17	mpan	cp /dev/path-to-partition partition-file
2022-01-26 22:01:21	tylee	hello. recommend me pls the best way to convert normie documents {docx,xls,ppt} to fancy pdfs. I tried zaread from AUR that is just a wrapper over libreoffice's soffice utility, but I don't use Libreoffice cus it eats a lot of space with its dependencies (old hdd on the current machine). Maybe something less bloated exist?
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2022-01-26 22:02:16	BrainDamage	pandoc
2022-01-26 22:02:43	BrainDamage	but in terms of deps, being haskell and how haskell deps are handled in arch, it's going to be a wild ride
2022-01-26 22:02:45	tylee	>installing myriad of haskell deps
2022-01-26 22:02:50	tylee	yeah
2022-01-26 22:03:12	tylee	unfortunately my current machine is wery weak.
2022-01-26 22:03:12	BrainDamage	the devs publish a statically linked version tho
2022-01-26 22:03:21	BrainDamage	if you trust them, you can just install that
2022-01-26 22:03:31	BrainDamage	and there's an aur pkgbuild to automate that
2022-01-26 22:03:50	BrainDamage	which should be pretty reasonable
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2022-01-26 22:04:47	Foxboron	BrainDamage: :)
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2022-01-26 22:05:10	demize	!!
2022-01-26 22:05:11	phrik	POPOZÃO!
2022-01-26 22:05:41	tylee	Hm. I think now that I can use something easier like `catdoc -m0 "$1"` and add css to convert outputted html to pdf.
2022-01-26 22:06:04	tylee	but maybe smth similar exist already
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2022-01-26 22:23:40	Earnestly	BrainDamage: What's more wild is just how long linker takes when starting pandoc when dynamically linked
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2022-01-26 22:44:11	PocketKiller	How do I stop udisksd from unmounting a "phantom" filesystem?
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2022-01-26 22:45:03	PocketKiller	A physically weird/corrupt USB (that's mine) keeps inhibiting my shutdown and it takes 10-15 mins for systemd to shutdown
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2022-01-26 22:49:49	mpan	Remove the USB.
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2022-01-26 22:50:11	mpan	Of course you will lose data this way, but you said it’s corrupt already.
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2022-01-26 22:50:38	PocketKiller	I did do that, it's a phantom drive now
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2022-01-26 22:50:55	PocketKiller	I don't need any data in the USB, destructive methods are ok
2022-01-26 22:51:12	PocketKiller	I just want to be able to shut down peacefully
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2022-01-26 22:53:23	smlavine	 /13
2022-01-26 22:53:26	smlavine	Oops, sorry
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2022-01-26 22:54:46	mpan	Removing it should stop stop any uninterruptible blocking operation. Then dunno what happens. :/
2022-01-26 22:55:27	PocketKiller	oh well, thanks for the help anyway
2022-01-26 22:56:34	Scarecr0w	sudo pacman -Syu
2022-01-26 22:56:39	Scarecr0w	Sorry
2022-01-26 22:56:49	e36freak	stop using that usb?
2022-01-26 22:56:52	thurstylark	!bufferfail
2022-01-26 22:56:53	phrik	 0  DAYS SINCE THE LAST BUFFER FAILURE: Recipient safety is our union goal!
2022-01-26 22:57:08	PocketKiller	Yeah I will
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2022-01-26 22:57:56	PocketKiller	I'm questioning why there is still a shutdown inhibitor that won't let me shutdown my system fully even after 15 mins
2022-01-26 22:58:01	PocketKiller	it is quite weird
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2022-01-26 23:01:40	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-01-26 23:01:40	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1464 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1464 normals)
2022-01-26 23:01:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-26 23:20:04	engys	hey everyone
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2022-01-26 23:21:01	engys	I have problems to replace jack2 with pipewire-jack
2022-01-26 23:21:44	Scimmia	what's the problem?
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2022-01-26 23:22:38	engys	Scimmia: jack2 says it is needed because of a dependency to jack-dbus
2022-01-26 23:22:48	Scimmia	so remove that
2022-01-26 23:23:31	engys	if I try to remove jack2 and jack-dbus all other programs like audacity say it is needed 
2022-01-26 23:24:09	Scimmia	not jack2, just jack-dbus
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2022-01-26 23:27:09	engys	funny -> jack-dbus is not even installed
2022-01-26 23:27:33	Scimmia	what, exactly, does pacman say?
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2022-01-26 23:29:58	engys	sry was my mistake .. it says jack2-dbus not jack-dbus 
2022-01-26 23:31:59	engys	after pacman -r jack2-dbus cadence I could install pipewire-jack
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2022-01-26 23:32:06	engys	Scimmia: thanks
2022-01-26 23:32:27	Scimmia	np
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2022-01-27 00:00:11	levitating	Hey guys, I have a vmware issue I could use help with. It seems like the "vmnet" kernel module isn't creating any devices. VMWare can't connect any vms to ethernet.
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2022-01-27 00:00:36	ℹ 	libera- es conocido ahora como Sout
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2022-01-27 09:46:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-01-27 09:46:33	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1430 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1430 normals)
2022-01-27 03:17:14	CubeTheThird	you got any logs?
2022-01-27 03:17:52	ravanan	What logs do you need?
2022-01-27 03:18:09	ravanan	(where do I find them)
2022-01-27 03:38:39	gh0st`	ravndal, what de ru using
2022-01-27 03:39:01	gh0st`	ravanan *
2022-01-27 04:57:55	jiridoo	is there any cool arch 32bit distros you can recomend?
2022-01-27 05:05:22	rie	jiridoo: https://archlinux32.org
2022-01-27 05:05:25	phrik	Title: Arch Linux 32 (at archlinux32.org)
2022-01-27 05:11:50	norbert	Namarrgon: Few more findings: It is not anything in the Debian patches. I built a monolithic grubx64.efi with the same modules as Debian from the Arch grub package, and the resulting grubx64.efi boots correctly into arch and finds all files.
2022-01-27 05:12:20	norbert	So the leaves either a missing module or some timing issue (loading of the bigger grub image takes more time). Will do more experiments.
2022-01-27 06:21:04	gh0st`	Another ghost! 
2022-01-27 06:21:09	⚡ 	gh0st` hides 
2022-01-27 06:22:14	NetSysFire	gh0st`: dont wake SysGhost
2022-01-27 06:22:46	gh0st`	Oh no it's getting very pooky in here 
2022-01-27 06:29:58	gehidore	pooky indeed
2022-01-27 07:50:57	fred	<fred> since ~2 days - when starting steam on cinnemon from the startmenu my Xorg died with https://0x0.st/oor4.txt -> solution was to edit the startmenu-entry and removing '%U' from 'Exec'
2022-01-27 08:11:55	SysGhost	0o
2022-01-27 08:11:59	⚡ 	SysGhost pooks around
2022-01-27 08:23:35	LordRishav	Plasma Shell becomes unresponsive randomly at times. kill-ing plasmashell and starting it again from the terminal fixes it
2022-01-27 08:25:05	LordRishav	Does everybody see it or is it just due to any of my local config?
2022-01-27 08:40:21	espresso	LordRishav: forum has a few posts that variously hit on things like something in .cache, or running process like baloo.. system monitor / top might show something if you can catch it
2022-01-27 08:40:57	kulak	LordRishav, My case is different, but perhaps it will work for you.  My mouse stops working on Gnome sometimes.  I found that pressing "windows" button that brings Activities restores mouse behavior.  your mileage may vary
2022-01-27 08:42:13	kulak	on the 2nd thought, that's completely different...  sorry
2022-01-27 08:44:04	espresso	maybe the standard journalctl -xe or dmesg would show something happened
2022-01-27 08:44:10	LordRishav	espresso: Alright, I'll check top if something like that happens again
2022-01-27 08:59:32	jiridoo	rie: Well that one obviously.. But I mean something with an installer.. Upps did I just say that?
2022-01-27 09:00:14	jiridoo	and a ready lightweight desktop..
2022-01-27 09:46:33	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-27 10:03:45	bug2000	What's the .in in the file name? https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman-contrib/-/blob/master/src/paccache.sh.in
2022-01-27 10:03:48	phrik	Title: src/paccache.sh.in · master · Pacman / Pacman Contrib · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2022-01-27 10:05:35	espresso	bug2000: https://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/html_node/Autotools-Introduction.html
2022-01-27 10:05:36	phrik	Title: Autotools Introduction (automake) (at www.gnu.org)
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2022-01-27 10:06:51	bug2000	espresso, Thank you. I'll go read about automadness. Everything you never wanted to know and tried to live your life without.
2022-01-27 10:06:56	bug2000	I guess I can no longer avoid it :)
2022-01-27 10:07:10	Khorne	It's a template
2022-01-27 10:08:22	bug2000	I see. I'll have to understand what changes are made.
2022-01-27 10:08:42	bug2000	The nginx server is on freebsd and I don't think I need to install pacman-contrib there ;)
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2022-01-27 10:25:10	Khorne	bug2000, you need makepkg though
2022-01-27 10:25:38	Khorne	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman-contrib/-/blob/master/src/paccache.sh.in#L25-40
2022-01-27 10:25:41	phrik	Title: src/paccache.sh.in · master · Pacman / Pacman Contrib · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2022-01-27 10:25:59	bug2000	Oh :\
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2022-01-27 10:26:41	Khorne	Or at least those scripts (and potential deps) from makepkg
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2022-01-27 10:30:04	bug2000	Khorne, I'm starting to think I should just hack something in perl that parses the file names. Not sure how well that would work.
2022-01-27 10:30:45	Khorne	I mean it's caching anyways right?
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2022-01-27 10:31:25	bug2000	Yes, but I don't want to cache for good?
2022-01-27 10:31:43	bug2000	oh. You mean I can just delete stuff older than 2months and call it a day.
2022-01-27 10:31:47	Khorne	Yea :')
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2022-01-27 10:32:19	Khorne	Some odd package might be redownloaded but that would seem quite alright to me
2022-01-27 10:33:27	bug2000	Yeah. Didn't think of that. It'll be the simplest solution and it's good enough :)
2022-01-27 10:33:50	bug2000	I hate it when I delve into the over-engineering hole only to realize the problem doesn't justify it.
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2022-01-27 10:39:02	bug2000	Khorne, atime or ctime?
2022-01-27 10:39:22	bug2000	Cause mtime is preserved from upstream.
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2022-01-27 10:40:32	Khorne	atime I guess
2022-01-27 10:40:50	bug2000	Amazing. Usage for atime! :)
2022-01-27 10:42:32	BrainDamage	I use atime to cleanup my .cache
2022-01-27 10:42:46	BrainDamage	after 6 months of no access, it goes wiped
2022-01-27 10:43:02	bug2000	BrainDamage, Doesn't Arch boot with relatime by default these days?
2022-01-27 10:44:10	BrainDamage	I think so, not sure
2022-01-27 10:44:23	bug2000	So it means not modified, not simply not accessed in your case.
2022-01-27 10:45:33	bug2000	relatime updates the access time only if the previous access time was earlier than the current modify or change time. In addition, since Linux 2.6.30, the access time is always updated if the previous access time was more than 24 hours old. This option is used when the defaults option, atime option (which means to use the kernel default, which is relatime; see mount(8) and wikipedia:Stat (system
2022-01-27 10:45:33	bug2000	call)#Criticism of atime) or no options at all are specified.
2022-01-27 10:45:43	bug2000	Oh. Things changed.
2022-01-27 10:46:41	BrainDamage	yeah, pretty sure that atime just works as long as your time scales are on the order of days
2022-01-27 10:47:02	bug2000	For some reason I remembered it being only change atime when mtime/ctime is changed. 
2022-01-27 10:48:12	BrainDamage	I've also did tests before deploying, see what it'd filter, etc
2022-01-27 10:49:08	BrainDamage	ExecStart=find %C -mindepth 1 -atime +182 -print -delete
2022-01-27 10:51:25	bug2000	I'll just put this in cron; find /usr/local/www/pacman-cache/ -mindepth 1 -atime +60 -print -delete
2022-01-27 10:51:29	bug2000	Too lazy to make something better.
2022-01-27 10:52:08	BrainDamage	for pacman cache, you can just use paccache
2022-01-27 10:52:21	bug2000	You missed the FreeBSD part above :)
2022-01-27 10:52:41	BrainDamage	ah
2022-01-27 10:52:56	bug2000	pacache has deps to makepkg and I don't feel like chasing that rabbit hole.
2022-01-27 10:53:13	hiya	is latest 2022 ISO working fine for you?
2022-01-27 10:56:42	Earnestly	hiya: source "$LIBRARY"/util/message.sh "$LIBRARY"/util/parseopts.sh
2022-01-27 10:56:46	Earnestly	bug2000: *
2022-01-27 10:59:49	tatsumaru	hey guys, I found a project on aur that i want to install but it breaks with the latest version of one of the packages and the maintainer advised to downgrade one of the packages called meson. is it a bad idea to have a downgraded package in an arch system or could I possibly have two versions of the package so that only this project on aur could use the older version and everything else could
2022-01-27 10:59:49	tatsumaru	stay up to date?
2022-01-27 11:00:33	BrainDamage	meson is only required during build
2022-01-27 11:00:41	BrainDamage	downgrade, build, and reupgrade
2022-01-27 11:00:55	tatsumaru	ah I see, thanks BrainDamage
2022-01-27 11:01:17	espresso	tatsumaru: it's fine to have a downgraded package (and pacman.conf has IgnorePkg etc.)
2022-01-27 11:01:52	Khorne	brr
2022-01-27 11:02:09	BrainDamage	soname updates may break the package tho, minimizing the time it sits downgraded avoids future problems
2022-01-27 11:02:36	BrainDamage	( package being meson )
2022-01-27 11:02:53	Earnestly	I would fix package so it works with release meson
2022-01-27 11:05:16	bug2000	Earnestly, I just realized I don't have autotools installed. So I'm just going to postpone this for now. I do like the idea of not keeping old versions of packages for too long. But I think I still want that find. Since I don't want to keep stuff that I installed once to try, hated and removed.
2022-01-27 11:05:30	tatsumaru	Earnestly: apparently the bug is in meson not the package
2022-01-27 11:05:50	BrainDamage	tatsumaru: what package?
2022-01-27 11:06:01	tatsumaru	BrainDamage: dia-git
2022-01-27 11:06:11	BrainDamage	I remember encountering a similar bug in one of my own, but that has been solved recently
2022-01-27 11:06:22	BrainDamage	so make sure about versions
2022-01-27 11:06:34	tatsumaru	this is the bug that causes the build problem: https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/issues/9441
2022-01-27 11:06:50	Earnestly	bug2000: paccache is not many lines of code, you could implement/port
2022-01-27 11:07:04	BrainDamage	ah, not the same bug
2022-01-27 11:07:06	Khorne	hiya, works for me
2022-01-27 11:07:06	Earnestly	bug2000: The makepkg bits are just for msg() function and option parsing, which you don't need
2022-01-27 11:07:54	jelle	isn't pacman in freebsd ports?
2022-01-27 11:08:03	espresso	paccache -ruk0 to also remove uninstalled packages? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Cleaning_the_package_cache
2022-01-27 11:08:04	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-27 11:08:08	bug2000	Earnestly, Yeah. I consider doing it. Just need to be in the correct mindset.
2022-01-27 11:08:15	BrainDamage	in my case, https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/issues/9530
2022-01-27 11:08:20	bug2000	espresso, You're missing the FreeBSD cache proxy :)
2022-01-27 11:08:30	libc	hi                                                                          
2022-01-27 11:08:32	libc	im using wine-staging 7.0rc5-1                                              
2022-01-27 11:08:34	libc	i try to install Cisco Packet Tracer 8.1.0 with winearch=64                 
2022-01-27 11:08:35	⚡ 	bug2000 goes to check ports for pacman
2022-01-27 11:08:36	libc	it's install alriight but i don't see the login web page it's a black screen
2022-01-27 11:08:38	libc	im running archlinux 5.16.2-arch1-1                                         
2022-01-27 11:09:04	bug2000	jelle, https://www.freshports.org/sysutils/pacman/ Woot.
2022-01-27 11:09:05	phrik	Title: FreshPorts -- sysutils/pacman: Package manager from ArchLinux (at www.freshports.org)
2022-01-27 11:09:13	jelle	bug2000: yes
2022-01-27 11:09:17	jelle	pacman is portable :)
2022-01-27 11:09:19	bug2000	Who? why? how?!
2022-01-27 11:09:23	Khorne	archbsd
2022-01-27 11:09:45	jelle	bug2000: you could compile pacman on OSX and it works on windows too
2022-01-27 11:10:03	BrainDamage	in fact msys2 uses pacman under windows
2022-01-27 11:10:44	Earnestly	tatsumaru: Error comes from: gtk_mac_dep = dependency('', required: false), part of an if else endif tree.  From what I can see, the entire else part can be removed as it does nothing
2022-01-27 11:11:03	BrainDamage	in general all package managers need a degree of portability because they need to be able to run in a bare minimum environment
2022-01-27 11:11:44	Earnestly	tatsumaru: Try removing it and see
2022-01-27 11:11:52	bug2000	jelle, pacman >>> homebrew. Why isn't homebrew replaced?
2022-01-27 11:11:59	⚡ 	bug2000 can't figure how did mac users end up with homebrew.
2022-01-27 11:12:05	jelle	bug2000: no idea, not using any mac
2022-01-27 11:12:31	bug2000	I don't either. Until someone who does wants to compile my software.
2022-01-27 11:13:22	BrainDamage	speaking of pacman, any chance pacman-static could get into the official repos? along with busybox it makes  for a fantastic rescue tool
2022-01-27 11:13:23	espresso	in fact msys2 on Windows can rebuild entire suites
2022-01-27 11:13:34	espresso	*build unix suites
2022-01-27 11:13:43	bug2000	eschwartz, <BrainDamage> speaking of pacman, any chance pacman-static could get into the official repos? along with busybox it makes  for a fantastic rescue tool
2022-01-27 11:13:59	jelle	BrainDamage: I think margonilla wants to add it
2022-01-27 11:31:18	libc	does anyone have experience with wine here ?
2022-01-27 11:31:39	wunit	!give libc ask
2022-01-27 11:31:40	phrik	libc: Don't ask to ask, if anyone is here or alive, or uses something. Just ask, and we'll get moving along. Thanks.
2022-01-27 11:32:39	wunit	ah, it's about the cisco packet tracer issue in wine
2022-01-27 11:32:56	libc	hi                                                                          
2022-01-27 11:32:58	libc	im using wine-staging 7.0rc5-1                                              
2022-01-27 11:33:00	libc	i try to install Cisco Packet Tracer 8.1.0 with winearch=64                 
2022-01-27 11:33:02	libc	it's install alriight but i don't see the login web page it's a black screen
2022-01-27 11:33:04	libc	im running archlinux 5.16.2-arch1-1                                         
2022-01-27 11:33:49	wunit	!enter
2022-01-27 11:33:49	phrik	Please type full, complete sentences and use the enter key less. It aids readability and helps others follow the conversation.
2022-01-27 11:34:07	wunit	is there a specific reason you want to use that thing? does it do something wireshark cannot?
2022-01-27 11:34:23	libc	wunit: it's a course requirement
2022-01-27 11:34:41	wunit	:-/
2022-01-27 11:36:11	BrainDamage	you might have better chance with a virtual machine
2022-01-27 11:38:55	libc	ill try snapd
2022-01-27 11:39:06	libc	kinda wierd that it doesn't have official appimage
2022-01-27 11:39:49	wunit	I don't think these sorts of tools work well in encapsulated environments like snap/appimage/wine/... - I assume you want it to directly interact with some network interface, no?
2022-01-27 11:40:36	Earnestly	This presupposes they are encapsulated
2022-01-27 11:40:38	bug2000	Thanks for the idea Earnestly.
2022-01-27 11:41:21	wunit	alright, let's say "with some amount of abstraction layers stuck somewhere inbetween"
2022-01-27 11:41:25	thevishy	I keep updating my /etc/resolv.config with my VPN's ... Is there a better way to do this?
2022-01-27 11:41:58	libc	wunit: packet tracer doesn't interact with interfaces it's all simulated in house
2022-01-27 11:42:01	thevishy	(My home router keeps updating it, as well)
2022-01-27 11:42:45	wunit	libc: oh, "network simulation tool" - I see
2022-01-27 11:42:53	thevishy	I do this every 1 second via a script
2022-01-27 11:43:10	wunit	libc: alright, sorry, forget all I wrote :-}
2022-01-27 11:43:31	thevishy	sudo tee /etc/resolv.conf
2022-01-27 11:44:16	wunit	thevishy: what do you use to manage your network?
2022-01-27 11:44:29	espresso	thevishy: mucho info at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/OpenVPN#The_update-resolv-conf_custom_script
2022-01-27 11:44:31	phrik	Title: OpenVPN - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-27 11:44:32	wunit	*network settings on your machine, to be precise
2022-01-27 11:45:26	thevishy	let me check that espresso 
2022-01-27 11:46:09	espresso	I trust wunit's procedure :) but it looked interesting.
2022-01-27 11:47:16	thevishy	wunit, at the moment it is running in hyperv
2022-01-27 11:47:36	thevishy	i don't remember doing anything specific for networking (except the default installation)
2022-01-27 11:47:53	thevishy	i can see network.target listed in systemctl
2022-01-27 11:48:20	thevishy	the only extra thing i am doing is running a vpn client which is where this dns update thing is needed
2022-01-27 11:48:47	espresso	if you use NM, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NetworkManager#VPN_support
2022-01-27 11:48:48	phrik	Title: NetworkManager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-27 11:48:52	wunit	thevishy: the "default installation" doesn't set up any networking
2022-01-27 11:49:04	BrainDamage	thevishy: what kind of hypervisor?
2022-01-27 11:49:12	thevishy	Windows Hyper-V
2022-01-27 11:49:46	BrainDamage	uh, then you shouldn't have default networking at all
2022-01-27 11:50:10	BrainDamage	the only exception is nspawn, which setups virtual ethernet for you
2022-01-27 11:50:51	thevishy	ah ok ... i do have docker btw
2022-01-27 11:50:53	libh	Does anyone here use arch linux in a production environment such as at work? I wanted some opinions to why or why not.
2022-01-27 11:51:31	thevishy	it is a bleeding edge distro ...
2022-01-27 11:51:45	wunit	!poll
2022-01-27 11:51:45	phrik	Compensation for channel surveys is accepted in Dogecoins, Simoleons, and Kongbucks.
2022-01-27 11:53:16	thevishy	while it is stable for desktop use, I am not sure anyone would recommend arch for server unless you are willing to invest extra time ...
2022-01-27 11:53:59	wunit	I generally wouldn't recommend running a server unless you are willing to invest some time, but ¯\(°_o)/¯
2022-01-27 11:54:23	Foxboron	A lot of people use Arch for production
2022-01-27 11:54:40	libh	I was thinking more of a workstation than server.
2022-01-27 11:54:58	Foxboron	Well, a lot of people use Arch for their work devices.
2022-01-27 11:55:06	Foxboron	I have done so since 2015
2022-01-27 11:55:21	thevishy	Just my thoughts :)
2022-01-27 11:56:20	wunit	for personal use, use whatever you personally feel most comfortable with
2022-01-27 11:57:16	espresso	same as Foxboron
2022-01-27 12:05:04	Earnestly	I feel as though some progress has been made towards the understanding that software needs to be up to date, and that patching and endless backporting is a dead end.  Not there yet, still some ways to go
2022-01-27 12:05:57	Earnestly	(And it'll be casual formal methods that does it, I think)
2022-01-27 12:06:16	labrador	Its hard to backport sure
2022-01-27 12:06:24	labrador	But it makes stuff break less
2022-01-27 12:06:28	libc	the packet tracer in the AUR is spewing /usr/bin/packettracer: line 8: 16639 Aborted after installation
2022-01-27 12:06:51	libc	/usr/bin/packettracer: line 8: 17218 Aborted                 (core dumped) ./PacketTracer "$@" > /dev/null 2>&1
2022-01-27 12:07:00	libh	I like how debian does packaging, but waiting 2 years for an update you really want can tire your patience. That's a convenience of arch linux.
2022-01-27 12:07:12	Earnestly	labrador: It simply doesn't work, even with big teams at redhat/debian, security bugs still persist.  They cannot keep up with just those which get CVE tags, nevermind those that don't (e.g. GHOST)
2022-01-27 12:07:30	Earnestly	But, 80% solution?  Perhaps
2022-01-27 12:07:56	wunit	not sure backporting "breaks less", though - it just breaks differently
2022-01-27 12:08:29	wunit	it's an uphill battle after all
2022-01-27 12:08:34	Earnestly	I see this trend departing from this and more reliance on casual formal methods to ensure output instead
2022-01-27 12:08:43	Earnestly	I see a*
2022-01-27 12:09:11	libh	One downside with bleeding edge I could say is that you're essentially a beta tester for stable distros. Not inherently a bad thing though.
2022-01-27 12:09:19	labrador	Its not less breakage,its more point breakage,a lot can go wrong when updating debian
2022-01-27 12:09:34	labrador	But that point only comes every 2 years
2022-01-27 12:09:36	Earnestly	libh: arch isn't 'bleeding edge', I hate this.  *I* am (was) bleeding edge
2022-01-27 12:09:52	libh	What is 'bleeding edge' to you then Earnestly?
2022-01-27 12:10:03	Earnestly	libh: git master, I did this from glibc to ffmpeg and beyond
2022-01-27 12:10:15	wunit	libh: arch is simply rolling release, as opposed to stable/fixed release
2022-01-27 12:10:15	labrador	uhhh
2022-01-27 12:10:34	Earnestly	Built entire toolchains from latest commit, mpfr to gcc and more
2022-01-27 12:10:46	libh	Life in the fast lane.
2022-01-27 12:10:54	Earnestly	libh: It was quite boring
2022-01-27 12:10:54	espresso	ffmpeg changes its api almost weekly
2022-01-27 12:10:56	wunit	libh: arch doesn't just ship beta/prerelease software after all
2022-01-27 12:11:18	Earnestly	espresso: https://abi-laboratory.pro/index.php?view=timeline&l=ffmpeg
2022-01-27 12:11:19	phrik	Title: API/ABI changes review for FFmpeg (at abi-laboratory.pro)
2022-01-27 12:11:29	Earnestly	espresso: No it doesn't
2022-01-27 12:11:48	dandels	Calling a distribution bleeding edge when it's mainly just the latest releases of software is... weird. It's basically viewing it through a lens of LTS-distros and normalizes not updating software.
2022-01-27 12:12:00	espresso	I may be a couple years out of date :)
2022-01-27 12:12:04	Earnestly	libh: arch is two releases behind glibc
2022-01-27 12:12:04	ursatempest	as I understand it, arch is cutting edge. arch-testing repo is bleeding edge
2022-01-27 12:12:22	Earnestly	ursatempest: No, testing is merely "up to date", and often not then
2022-01-27 12:12:32	Earnestly	But people define "up to date" as bleeding edge
2022-01-27 12:12:32	The-Compiler	honestly the question is whether you prefer old bugs where upstreams will shake their head because they fixed it 2 years ago, or new bugs
2022-01-27 12:12:47	BrainDamage	cutting and bleeding edge don't have clear meaning
2022-01-27 12:12:50	wunit	how about we just stop being edgy? :-}
2022-01-27 12:12:53	Earnestly	libh: The most bugs I had to report/fix, was from GNU make
2022-01-27 12:12:56	BrainDamage	there's tracking stable, and tracking lts
2022-01-27 12:12:59	Earnestly	And it was about 3
2022-01-27 12:13:07	labrador	I dunno for me cutting edge=bleeding edge
2022-01-27 12:13:13	The-Compiler	with new bugs, chances are that upstreams already caught and fixed them *before* doing a release tbh
2022-01-27 12:13:14	Earnestly	This meme about instability of latest software is so very tiresome
2022-01-27 12:13:14	BrainDamage	and tracking repo head
2022-01-27 12:13:17	labrador	whats the difference
2022-01-27 12:13:29	libh	Earnestly, the I use arch btw :) meme is far more tiring.
2022-01-27 12:13:34	Earnestly	I used glibc from git for years and encountered one bug when they dropped minor/major macros
2022-01-27 12:13:48	dandels	Anyway what's with the glibc situation, I only found out about it when there was a reddit post about it
2022-01-27 12:13:55	Earnestly	No idea
2022-01-27 12:14:00	The-Compiler	and let's not even get started with the countless cases where Debian and friends just decide they don't even care about security bugs for some critical packages
2022-01-27 12:14:12	The-Compiler	(like QtWebEngine, just a browser engine after all)
2022-01-27 12:14:26	labrador	The-Compiler, yeah like the vulns in firefox and chromium
2022-01-27 12:14:35	labrador	Its like they forgot about them
2022-01-27 12:14:55	The-Compiler	labrador: funnily enough, Firefox and Chromium are exempt from their stable policy
2022-01-27 12:14:57	ursatempest	in my experience arch is a bit later on software update, but only like for three days to a week, while more typical distro can take months to update 'em
2022-01-27 12:15:00	Earnestly	The-Compiler: The way I see it is that bugs are either known or unknown.  Bugs that are known can get fixed, unknown bugs remain regardless.  At least with latest, known bugs get fixed.  There is an idea that new bugs are added with almost equal count, but this is obviously absurd
2022-01-27 12:15:14	Earnestly	(And as more formal methods are used, this even less so)
2022-01-27 12:15:31	labrador	Yeah thats why I need to run flatpaks
2022-01-27 12:15:36	dandels	I'm bothered by glibc being out of date mainly out of principle, can I compile it myself without a bunch of domain specific knowledge?
2022-01-27 12:15:45	The-Compiler	Earnestly: yeah, yet people somehow prefer to keep old known bugs around for 2+ years
2022-01-27 12:15:49	The-Compiler	and call it stable :D
2022-01-27 12:15:50	dandels	It sounds to me like one of those things where you screw up and now you need to boot from an usb
2022-01-27 12:15:53	Earnestly	dandels: (glibc has many 'CVE' in commit message recently)
2022-01-27 12:16:03	Earnestly	dandels: https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/release/2.33/master
2022-01-27 12:16:04	phrik	Title: sourceware.org Git - glibc.git/shortlog (at sourceware.org)
2022-01-27 12:16:27	Earnestly	The-Compiler: I can appreciate 'better the devil you know', but I claim that new releases are not new devils.  They're just better known devils
2022-01-27 12:16:31	wunit	labrador: that sounds backwards
2022-01-27 12:16:43	The-Compiler	yeah, and then you have Snaps and Flatpaks and unofficial repositories because it turns out that users of stable distributions actually don't want the 2 year old software they signed up for
2022-01-27 12:16:59	libh	Snaps are terrible, but flatpak isn't really the devil.
2022-01-27 12:17:11	The-Compiler	so now every package just ships half an operating system with it, which might or might not be up to date :D
2022-01-27 12:17:33	Earnestly	I think flatpak/appimage, at least from my view, is mostly to run out of date software, or software that depends on out of date libraries
2022-01-27 12:17:53	BrainDamage	or closed source sw
2022-01-27 12:17:59	Earnestly	Yeah
2022-01-27 12:18:32	Earnestly	I used to use freecad appimage because building it was too fraught and too hard going on my laptop (when bad thermals)
2022-01-27 12:19:27	Earnestly	libh: Last count, long ago though, put Arch at about 35% out of date
2022-01-27 12:20:01	jaawerth	yeah, I use appimages sometimes to grab nightlies for things where I want a *somewhat* stable daily driver and don't want to build every time, and I've got a couple things in place to not let them stagnate, but I'm leery of the whole shared library thing for anything that may touch ssl et al
2022-01-27 12:20:08	labrador	wunit, not really. Debians firefox is old esr. So i run firefox flatpak
2022-01-27 12:20:49	Earnestly	libh: (One benefit to using -git, and why I did, is because it let me bundle the maintainence side of it into pkgver(), giving me pretty easy way to track upstream.  I had a script that iterated through packages and presented commits since last build.  Of about 200 packages, I had basically no maintainence burden.)
2022-01-27 12:21:16	jaawerth	snap seems to have the same security/perms problem as other things, where the ability to opt in/out of capabilities is such a mess it ends up bein all-or-nothing
2022-01-27 12:21:26	jaawerth	which defeats the point, ofc
2022-01-27 12:24:12	wunit	labrador: heh, if I read this correctly, oldstable has 91.5.0 in their security repos, but stable still only has 78.15.0 -- https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firefox-esr
2022-01-27 12:24:18	phrik	Title: Debian -- Package Search Results -- firefox-esr (at packages.debian.org)
2022-01-27 12:24:37	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-01-27 12:25:38	labrador	lmao
2022-01-27 12:26:07	wunit	but the stable vs rolling discussion aside, stable distro users complaing about old software is a topic by itself
2022-01-27 12:26:36	libh	I like the concept of appimages, some programs like krita, kdenlive, and a few others I opt in for appimages if I'm tracking an LTS release and want a bit of convenience.
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2022-01-27 12:29:57	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-27 12:28:09	libh	Because take blender for instance (While it doesn't have an appimage, a fork of it does), you'll be on a LTS for years to come because you don't want your animation project to break next major update.
2022-01-27 12:29:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-27 12:31:22	BrainDamage	I consider that time not wasted and part of normal project maintenance
2022-01-27 12:31:32	BrainDamage	it's only an issue when it's unforseen
2022-01-27 12:33:01	BrainDamage	otherwise, you end up stuck in a perpetually old system, especially if any of your projects share any sort of parts
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2022-01-27 14:00:14	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-27 13:57:10	Nixola	hi, is there a netboot efi image without ipv6 support or do I need to make my own? 
2022-01-27 13:57:40	Nixola	it won't boot on my system (network unreachable) and apparently it's due to broken ipv6 support on ipxe which, coupled with the fact my router supports ipv6 but my internet connection doesn't, makes it impossible to connect
2022-01-27 14:00:14	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-01-27 14:00:39	Voidwarper	grawity: it can be done
2022-01-27 14:00:47	Voidwarper	gdb --batch-silent -ex "attach $$" -ex 'set bind_variable("a", "4", 0)';
2022-01-27 14:01:00	Voidwarper	although its a hack
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2022-01-27 14:08:54	engys	thursdaylark: do you remember to my gateway router problem? It was not even a Linux problem :) -> the fibre converter was not able to handle the 10 gigabit connection correctly
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2022-01-27 14:16:03	hiya	Khorne: did you try archinstall with gnome?
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2022-01-27 14:18:02	TheSilentLink	anyone else getting element-desktop crashing constantly with electron 13.6.8-1? 
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2022-01-27 14:18:39	Khorne	hiya, no I booted it and checked network
2022-01-27 14:18:51	BrainDamage	TheSilentLink: no
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2022-01-27 14:20:08	TheSilentLink	BrainDamage: element works fine for you on electron 13.6.8-1? If I downgrade it works fine again.
2022-01-27 14:20:22	BrainDamage	it works fine
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2022-01-27 14:20:41	BrainDamage	I am literally using it right now
2022-01-27 14:21:13	BrainDamage	wait, nvm
2022-01-27 14:21:24	BrainDamage	forgot to re-launch after update
2022-01-27 14:21:31	TheSilentLink	ah I see
2022-01-27 14:21:34	BrainDamage	yeah, it crashes frequently
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2022-01-27 14:21:46	TheSilentLink	yep not just me then!
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2022-01-27 14:26:25	hiya	Khorne: Not that I installed with it, and in the end some of the packages do not verify and everything is in red
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2022-01-27 14:26:28	hiya	and it won't install
2022-01-27 14:26:39	Khorne	What?
2022-01-27 14:26:40	hiya	In the last step, when gnome is installed, if you select it
2022-01-27 14:26:47	hiya	Yes
2022-01-27 14:27:05	Khorne	I have no idea what archinstall does
2022-01-27 14:27:26	Khorne	You should also learn to give more precise error messages than 'everything is red'
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2022-01-27 14:38:07	Hello71	Khorne: they did, they said "it won't install"
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2022-01-27 14:38:26	nicholaus04	I'm back, and this time, under my new self-compiled kernel.
2022-01-27 14:39:18	mystiquewolf	> <@mystiquewolf:matrix.org> Hi, i have this issue that `GTK_USE_PORTAL=1` doesn't make Firefox show the KDE-native file picker...
2022-01-27 14:39:18	mystiquewolf	> Wondering if i have to file a bug against KDE or against Arch
2022-01-27 14:39:18	mystiquewolf	> See comments below this one https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528701#c5
2022-01-27 14:39:18	mystiquewolf	Nevermind i filed the bug at KDE as i believe it would be more easy for KDE folks to spot an error in Arch distribution of their package then the Arch folks seeing the error in the KDE program itself...
2022-01-27 14:39:20	phrik	Title: 528701 - allow KDE filepicker to be used in Gtk widget (at bugzilla.mozilla.org)
2022-01-27 14:39:38	nicholaus04	In fact, the vfat issue i was having was also causing my internet to not work, since it didn't start any drivers related to it (Because of that /boot issue). But i got it up and going.
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2022-01-27 14:41:15	Khorne	Hello71, I'm sure you're being sarcastic
2022-01-27 14:41:19	nicholaus04	Yep, you know you did something right when your kernel compiles with /boot mounting correctly, and working internet.
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2022-01-27 14:48:30	jirido	Is archbang pure arch?
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2022-01-27 14:48:52	Khorne	Does it come from archlinux.org?
2022-01-27 14:49:00	ℹ 	ahso1 es conocido ahora como ahso
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2022-01-27 14:49:10	jirido	noop, archbang.org
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2022-01-27 15:15:31	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-27 15:06:36	luigibu	i really enjoyed installing Arch.. 
2022-01-27 15:07:06	Khorne	chazy, yea those are electron flags
2022-01-27 15:08:41	jirido	luigibu: yeah It is true that installing arch is nice.. 
2022-01-27 15:08:46	Hello71	thrice: you're stealing from microsoft
2022-01-27 15:09:23	thrice	from their free OS?
2022-01-27 15:10:25	Hello71	stealing software is stealing. they used over $40,000 of computer time!
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2022-01-27 15:24:55	chazy	Khorne: i think those warnings means code changed the name of those options or removed them, what else could it be?
2022-01-27 15:25:29	chazy	i guess i'll have to check the issues in the github repo and open one if i see nothing
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2022-01-27 15:33:20	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-27 15:35:47	MortimerHoughton	If I enable systemd-boot-update.service, do I need to remove the pacman hook?
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2022-01-27 15:39:15	Khorne	chazy, that doesn't hurt but why would you think code removed the options, it says it passed them to electron
2022-01-27 15:39:51	chazy	i was just making a bad guess, the PR for this hasn't even been merged yet
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2022-01-27 15:49:56	bjorg	why does arch linux not use shadow-utils to provide vipr and vigr?
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2022-01-27 15:59:15	tatsumaru	hey guys,  I am using gnome and the default file manager and I am wondering if there's an easy way to extend the right click menu to be able to create not only 'New Folder' but also a new 'Text Document' 
2022-01-27 16:00:04	MrElendig	tatsumaru: just add a file to templates
2022-01-27 16:00:11	MrElendig	you can add any filetype you want
2022-01-27 16:00:40	Khorne	bjorg, they are in util-linux
2022-01-27 16:00:42	bug2000	I'm trying to start mpd and get the following error; server_socket: bind to '0.0.0.0:6600' failed (continuing anyway, because binding to '[::]:6600' succeeded): Failed to bind socket: Address already in use
2022-01-27 16:00:49	bug2000	But `ss -tulpen` doesn't list anything that's using port 6600.
2022-01-27 16:01:39	tatsumaru	MrElendig: is this available in Gnome Files?
2022-01-27 16:01:59	MrElendig	tatsumaru: its how you add new entries to "Create new .." yes
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2022-01-27 16:02:19	MrElendig	touch ~/Templates/NewTXT.txt
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2022-01-27 16:02:34	MrElendig	right click -> New Document -> NewTXT
2022-01-27 16:02:52	bjorg	Khorne: i know that i want to know why shadow-utils is not used (which as i understand is used by pretty much every other major distro like *debian*,*rhel*)
2022-01-27 16:03:01	MrElendig	and since it is a template, you can put anything you want in it
2022-01-27 16:03:21	Khorne	bjorg, no clue, is it important?
2022-01-27 16:03:23	tatsumaru	MrElendig: oh wow this is so useful, thanks
2022-01-27 16:04:11	bjorg	Khorne: i think so because vipr -s and vigr -s don't work, plus shadow-utils has some other stuff in it i think
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2022-01-27 16:04:55	MrElendig	iirg there was a upstream change that made it not default to build those
2022-01-27 16:04:57	MrElendig	iirc*
2022-01-27 16:05:37	Khorne	MrElendig, no they're explicitly deleted in shadow
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2022-01-27 16:06:22	MrElendig	Khorne: ah it was reverted
2022-01-27 16:06:32	MrElendig	!bug 31414
2022-01-27 16:06:32	phrik	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/31414
2022-01-27 16:06:36	Khorne	But maybe that is why they moved to util-linux then
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2022-01-27 16:07:43	Khorne	Maybe they should be used from shadow then
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2022-01-27 16:09:47	bjorg	oh god these join and left messages make it near impossible for me to read what's going on 😒
2022-01-27 16:10:31	Khorne	Should be possible to disable them in any reasonable IRC client
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2022-01-27 16:10:42	MacGyver	Then you should set up a (smart) filter.
2022-01-27 16:10:48	MrElendig	bjorg: may I interest you in our lord and saviour Weechat and its prophet smartfilter?
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2022-01-27 16:10:55	Khorne	heh
2022-01-27 16:11:13	MacGyver	Personally, my smart filter is a neural network that's been in training for over three decades.
2022-01-27 16:11:23	MrElendig	bjorg: /help filter, see the first example
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2022-01-27 16:13:47	bjorg	:O
2022-01-27 16:13:51	bjorg	woah that is cool
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2022-01-27 16:14:41	BrainDamage	MacGyver: doesn't pass confusion (matrix) tests
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2022-01-27 16:15:25	MrElendig	BrainDamage: no need to restart weechat for it
2022-01-27 16:15:43	bjorg	ok so anyway what's the reason we're still on util-linux and not shadow-utils?
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2022-01-27 16:16:02	bjorg	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/31414 I found this too
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2022-01-27 16:16:03	phrik	Title: FS#31414 : [util-linux] [shadow] Deprecated tools: newgrp/vipw/vigr (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2022-01-27 16:16:23	BrainDamage	MrElendig: a global restart function would be super handy tho
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2022-01-27 16:17:07	MacGyver	BrainDamage: I don't know, I've never put it through such a test I think.
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2022-01-27 16:20:08	bjorg	also there's no package even called shadow-utils
2022-01-27 16:20:10	bjorg	:/
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2022-01-27 16:20:43	Khorne	bjorg, it would be shadow
2022-01-27 16:21:08	bjorg	i don't think shadow is shadow-utils
2022-01-27 16:21:21	Khorne	https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/shadow/
2022-01-27 16:21:24	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - shadow 4.8.1-4 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-01-27 16:21:29	Khorne	Upstream URL: https://github.com/shadow-maint/shadow
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2022-01-27 16:47:46	tpr	any ideas why ssh cannot load the code stored in tpm? Load key "/usr/lib/pkcs11/libtpm2_pkcs11.so.0.0.0": invalid format
2022-01-27 16:48:26	tpr	I was thinking that maybe that lib is compiled to wrong target arch, but I'm running on x86_64 and file says that 'ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, BuildID[sha1]=3bb3886c63fe9c3bb162923a04e5c94bf5e5d2a8, stripped'
2022-01-27 16:48:45	MrElendig	partial update?
2022-01-27 16:49:00	MrElendig	for damaged file
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2022-01-27 16:50:28	BrainDamage	lddtree /usr/lib/pkcs11/libtpm2_pkcs11.so.0.0.0
2022-01-27 16:50:40	tpr	hmm, let's see if I find how to verify the locally installed files neatly. I just tried force re-install on all relevant parts (openssh, tpm2-*) but that didn't help
2022-01-27 16:51:00	BrainDamage	try lddtree, it can be a lib it depends on
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2022-01-27 16:54:26	tpr	oh, that's new! looks good to me though: https://bpa.st/UKZA
2022-01-27 16:54:26	phrik	Title: View paste UKZA (at bpa.st)
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2022-01-27 16:56:28	tpr	oh, and I can add the key to ssh-agent and that's working just fine :-)
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2022-01-27 16:59:29	tpr	leaving the open question if it makes sense to report that somewhere, and where exactly.. hmm :P
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2022-01-27 17:02:04	chazy	there's a source file missing for this aur package, what can i do about it? https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/chromium-dev
2022-01-27 17:02:06	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - chromium-dev (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-01-27 17:02:18	NetSysFire	theres #archlinux-aur
2022-01-27 17:02:33	chazy	ok asking there
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2022-01-27 17:31:25	bbju	Hi, guys! What does an optional dependency mean? If I'm installing a package that has an optional dependency, is this dependency also installed?
2022-01-27 17:31:52	MrElendig	no
2022-01-27 17:32:00	MrElendig	hence the name "optional"
2022-01-27 17:32:18	raster	it's optional.. not required... :)
2022-01-27 17:32:22	MrElendig	its a dependency that adds some functionality to the package, but isn't required at runtime
2022-01-27 17:32:35	MrElendig	aka the software will run without it too
2022-01-27 17:32:52	bbju	So it's the same meaning as recommended?
2022-01-27 17:32:57	◣	mgariepy (~mgariepy@user/mgariepy) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-01-27 17:32:57	MrElendig	not really
2022-01-27 17:33:18	MrElendig	its a weaker term
2022-01-27 17:33:35	raster	it only bench presses 50lbs.
2022-01-27 17:33:43	raster	:)
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2022-01-27 17:33:57	bbju	Okay, I see.
2022-01-27 17:34:14	bbju	Thanks!
2022-01-27 17:34:22	MrElendig	and no, pacman doesn't have anything like --install-recommended
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2022-01-27 17:34:41	bbju	okay
2022-01-27 17:35:07	NetSysFire	e.g a file manager may have optional dependencies for certain file compression software if it can make use of it but its not required
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2022-01-27 17:49:02	bbju	BTW, what does split packages mean? Google points me to the man page for pkgbuild. But that paragraph doesn't make much sense to me. Sorry, guys. I just installed Arch, so I got a lot of questions.
2022-01-27 17:49:20	mpan	bbju: multiple packages built from a single PKGBUILD.
2022-01-27 17:49:54	BrainDamage	split packages require so much special handling :/
2022-01-27 17:50:09	gumbo	bbju: welcome, i just intalled 4 days ago :D
2022-01-27 17:50:29	gumbo	actually 2 days ago, i was on manjaro
2022-01-27 17:50:35	mpan	bbju: they are employed usually when multiple different separate are needed, but in terms of building they often share a considerable part or are built from the same source. That simplifies the build process and makes it faster.
2022-01-27 17:51:29	mpan	bbju: but the downside is that there is no direct 1:1 relation between a PKBUILD and a package and a change in one package effectively makes all of them to be rebuilt.
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2022-01-27 17:52:49	Voidwarper	is anyone here familiar with zsh syntax?
2022-01-27 17:53:05	MrElendig	!ask
2022-01-27 17:53:06	phrik	Don't ask to ask, if anyone is here or alive, or uses something. Just ask, and we'll get moving along. Thanks.
2022-01-27 17:53:06	Voidwarper	i try to migrate this script from bash to zsh but i can't find whats wrong with it
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2022-01-27 17:53:09	Voidwarper	https://dpaste.com/BKQ428NWV
2022-01-27 17:53:12	BrainDamage	and that you cannot do a partial build
2022-01-27 17:53:19	MrElendig	(there is also a zsh channel)
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2022-01-27 17:53:59	MrElendig	Voidwarper: and you drop it in a less broken pastebin? like eg bpaste
2022-01-27 17:55:04	MrElendig	and what are the errors?
2022-01-27 17:55:16	MacGyver	Hmm.
2022-01-27 17:55:26	MacGyver	Is this the moment I'm going to see whether gitk still causes a kernel panic.
2022-01-27 17:55:38	MrElendig	too bad shellcheck doesn't do zsh :/
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2022-01-27 17:59:14	MrElendig	Voidwarper: use a different name  than options
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2022-01-27 18:01:05	MrElendig	dpaste finally loaded after minutes....
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2022-01-27 18:02:57	MrElendig	Voidwarper: $options is a (reserved) special variable in zsh
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2022-01-27 18:07:42	MrElendig	Voidwarper: https://man.archlinux.org/man/zshmodules.1.en#THE_ZSH/PARAMETER_MODULE
2022-01-27 18:07:43	phrik	Title: zshmodules(1) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
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2022-01-27 18:08:28	weltio	can i query the pacman cache for an not installed file?
2022-01-27 18:08:35	weltio	*package
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2022-01-27 18:09:13	MrElendig	fd /var/cache/pacman/ packagename
2022-01-27 18:09:27	weltio	whats fd?
2022-01-27 18:09:29	MrElendig	or did you mean s/cache/package/
2022-01-27 18:10:18	MrElendig	er.. swap the pattern and path
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2022-01-27 18:10:35	weltio	MrElendig: right, i have a list of packages and want to match against the cache
2022-01-27 18:10:57	weltio	to get the files
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2022-01-27 18:11:03	MrElendig	use a for loop then
2022-01-27 18:11:09	weltio	mhm
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2022-01-27 18:12:11	weltio	how would you handle cases like 'nvidia' matches 'nvidia-git' as well
2022-01-27 18:12:29	MrElendig	regex
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2022-01-27 18:13:21	MrElendig	could naively split on - too
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2022-01-27 18:13:48	MrElendig	s/-/./
2022-01-27 18:14:19	MrElendig	what is the actual use case thouhg?
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2022-01-27 18:14:42	weltio	i want a list of files for a list of packjages :D
2022-01-27 18:15:16	MrElendig	so you want to reimplement pacman -F / pkgfile, just for packages in the cache?
2022-01-27 18:15:28	weltio	just the packages in the cache
2022-01-27 18:15:40	weltio	and i just want the package file for a filename
2022-01-27 18:15:49	weltio	i have a list of packages which are downloaded
2022-01-27 18:15:50	MrElendig	gets more and more xylike
2022-01-27 18:16:10	weltio	but the downloaded pkg files shall be handled afterwards
2022-01-27 18:16:14	MrElendig	ok; get file list for every package in the cache and just stuff it in a sqlite db
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2022-01-27 18:16:15	ℹ 	yamchah2_ es conocido ahora como yamchah2
2022-01-27 18:16:18	MrElendig	then query said db
2022-01-27 18:16:25	MrElendig	problem solved
2022-01-27 18:16:42	weltio	yes i was thinking about python as well...
2022-01-27 18:16:56	weltio	would be nice if pacman could query the cache though
2022-01-27 18:17:02	slimefoot	is this a one-time thing or do you want to do this more often in the future?
2022-01-27 18:17:13	MrElendig	it has no functionality for that
2022-01-27 18:17:17	weltio	like pacman -Q mypackage | grep cachefile
2022-01-27 18:17:31	weltio	slimefoot: part of a script
2022-01-27 18:17:33	MrElendig	that is even more xyproblem
2022-01-27 18:17:41	slimefoot	weltio: so what's the usecase?
2022-01-27 18:18:00	MrElendig	and then it turns out that the actual problem can be solved with -Qkk :p
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2022-01-27 18:19:12	weltio	MrElendig: doesnt seem so
2022-01-27 18:19:24	weltio	slimefoot: gathering files for a custom repo
2022-01-27 18:20:26	slimefoot	I don't get it, can you elaborate a bit?
2022-01-27 18:20:39	slimefoot	what kind of files? what kind of repo?
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2022-01-27 18:21:16	weltio	slimefoot: i have a list of pacakges i want to put in a repo - those are to be downloaded in a docker and then pulled from the cache in to the repo
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2022-01-27 18:22:07	MrElendig	why the middle step?
2022-01-27 18:22:12	weltio	MrElendig: which?
2022-01-27 18:22:18	MrElendig	involving pacman
2022-01-27 18:22:24	slimefoot	and why do you need to know which packages contain a given file?
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2022-01-27 18:22:28	weltio	MrElendig: aur pacakges
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2022-01-27 18:22:38	MrElendig	still don't need pacman
2022-01-27 18:22:38	badsektor	i use arch btw
2022-01-27 18:22:39	weltio	slimefoot: its not at all about files
2022-01-27 18:22:41	BrainDamage	you can just repo-add packages to a repo
2022-01-27 18:22:45	weltio	im talking about the xz files
2022-01-27 18:22:59	weltio	BrainDamage: yes, therefore i need to know which files...
2022-01-27 18:23:04	MrElendig	thats not what you said though
2022-01-27 18:23:15	weltio	zst...
2022-01-27 18:23:20	weltio	MrElendig: yes i did i think
2022-01-27 18:23:24	slimefoot	ah, the package files, not files contained in a package - I got that wrong there, hence the confusion
2022-01-27 18:23:53	MrElendig	weltio: what you really want is probably aurutils
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2022-01-27 18:24:06	MrElendig	if this is packages from aur
2022-01-27 18:24:06	BrainDamage	yeah, it's dumb to auto install them
2022-01-27 18:24:18	BrainDamage	just directly add them to a repo itfp as soon as they are built
2022-01-27 18:24:40	BrainDamage	and aurutils does that
2022-01-27 18:24:54	weltio	BrainDamage: nobody is talking about installing them?!
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2022-01-27 18:25:38	BrainDamage	then why do you have to fetch them from the pacman cache?
2022-01-27 18:25:42	weltio	i guess aurutils probably has no advantage over pikaur?>
2022-01-27 18:26:01	MrElendig	weltio: for this task it has all the advantages over it
2022-01-27 18:26:10	weltio	BrainDamage: because thats where i put pikaured packages?
2022-01-27 18:26:27	BrainDamage	well, then don't
2022-01-27 18:26:32	slimefoot	aurutils is basically built to maintain AUR packages this way - Yaourt is the other one (+ thousands of Yaourt clones, like pikaur)
2022-01-27 18:26:38	weltio	MrElendig: does it ONLY handle aur packages?
2022-01-27 18:26:52	BrainDamage	and you'll have an easy time separating them
2022-01-27 18:27:01	BrainDamage	you're creating your own problem itfp
2022-01-27 18:27:04	weltio	BrainDamage: why would i want taht?
2022-01-27 18:27:17	BrainDamage	because then you can easily put them in a repo ...
2022-01-27 18:27:34	weltio	BrainDamage: and the nonaur packages that shall be put there to?
2022-01-27 18:27:36	weltio	too
2022-01-27 18:27:37	weltio	?
2022-01-27 18:27:49	weltio	why shouldnt i handle just everthing with pikaur?
2022-01-27 18:27:52	BrainDamage	then why do you need to filter?
2022-01-27 18:28:02	weltio	download shit, put in repo - -Sw pacakge list
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2022-01-27 18:28:15	BrainDamage	if you need to put everything, why do you even need filtering
2022-01-27 18:28:17	weltio	BrainDamage: because the cache contains packages that are not meant to be in the repo?
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2022-01-27 18:28:51	slimefoot	weltio: really you just want to build a package and then push it to a custom repo - aurutils is made to do exactly that
2022-01-27 18:28:53	MrElendig	if you want to use pikaur, consider not using the pacman cache as its target dir for built packages
2022-01-27 18:28:55	BrainDamage	so it's a partial cache of partial official packages and aur?
2022-01-27 18:28:59	weltio	ok the essence is: there is no tool and ill do it myself...
2022-01-27 18:29:06	BrainDamage	that's going to be a huge mess
2022-01-27 18:29:15	weltio	MrElendig: I AM DOING THAT
2022-01-27 18:29:16	alad	famous last words
2022-01-27 18:29:16	slimefoot	this whole dance with using pikaur to build and download (but not install) a package with -Sw, then somehow filter it out from the cache, and then... - that's just a lot of unnecessary pain
2022-01-27 18:29:29	weltio	BrainDamage: Offline usage?
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2022-01-27 18:29:52	BrainDamage	weltio: yes, but you're only exposing partial cache
2022-01-27 18:29:59	alad	once people are stuck in 1 pattern, it's hard to get them out of it
2022-01-27 18:30:00	BrainDamage	you're going to have tons of troubles
2022-01-27 18:30:08	alad	another reason why pacman wrappers are terrible
2022-01-27 18:30:20	weltio	slimefoot: its more efficient if the packages are already cached to pull it from there, i dont want to download tons of shit...
2022-01-27 18:30:21	rcf	With aurutils approach, a shared local cache would Just Work™ once packages are built and installed once. 
2022-01-27 18:30:29	BrainDamage	what does it even cost you to expose the full cache?
2022-01-27 18:30:45	rcf	You don't need to filter anything becuase pacman will do it for you. 
2022-01-27 18:30:50	BrainDamage	it's less work, and less error prone
2022-01-27 18:31:05	weltio	wtf...
2022-01-27 18:31:06	slimefoot	weltio: what "tons of shit" are you downloading additionally with the direct approach over the pikaur dance?
2022-01-27 18:31:48	weltio	there is no pikaur dance in pikaur -Sw <mylist
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2022-01-27 18:31:50	slimefoot	pikaur downloads the pkgbuild, builds the package, and then installs it (or just places it in the cache if invoked with -Sw) - aurutils downloads it, builds it, then pushes it to the repo (I guess...)
2022-01-27 18:31:56	alad	slimefoot: BrainDamage it's a lost cause :D
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2022-01-27 18:32:11	slimefoot	argh
2022-01-27 18:32:15	slimefoot	!bail
2022-01-27 18:32:15	phrik	Looks like slimefoot is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-01-27 18:32:30	alad	if you only have a hammer, you see a nail everywhere
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2022-01-27 18:32:35	BrainDamage	alad: yeah, I've already mentally bailed out before your comment
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2022-01-27 18:33:02	weltio	alad: exactly that goes for all your suggestions :D
2022-01-27 18:33:36	weltio	"i have that tool i think might work - use that" ... 
2022-01-27 18:33:55	weltio	"but it doesn work for the problem"  " than your problem is wrong"
2022-01-27 18:33:57	slimefoot	except you're trying to unscrew a screw with a hammer, and we keep telling you to use the screwdriver instead
2022-01-27 18:34:23	weltio	slimefoot: obviuously you guys didnt even get the problem :D
2022-01-27 18:34:37	rcf	weltio: Which is fine, but you're saying "that tool can't possibly work, I insist upon using my own tool that doesn't do what I want either" 
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2022-01-27 18:34:57	weltio	rcf: that seems unrelated
2022-01-27 18:35:20	slimefoot	weltio: you want to build packages from the AUR (or anywhere else) and then push them to a custom repo - that's what I got
2022-01-27 18:35:34	alad	weltio: I suggested nothing
2022-01-27 18:35:36	weltio	slimefoot: which proves my point
2022-01-27 18:35:38	rcf	weltio: Or, in other words: use pikaur if you please, but if it were the perfect tool for the job you wouldn't need to ask about it. 
2022-01-27 18:35:40	alad	guys
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2022-01-27 18:36:13	weltio	rcf: so you didnt get the point either :D
2022-01-27 18:36:21	rcf	You don't seem to have one 
2022-01-27 18:36:23	alad	I'm this close to rolling dice
2022-01-27 18:36:27	weltio	pls stop talking about topics you only read the half about :D
2022-01-27 18:36:34	alad	weltio: you done yet?
2022-01-27 18:36:34	NetSysFire	!give alad dice 1d20
2022-01-27 18:36:34	phrik	alad: 2
2022-01-27 18:36:38	alad	^
2022-01-27 18:37:11	alad	forget about it and let the guy waste his time on writing a script
2022-01-27 18:38:30	rcf	"I know how to solve my problem, nobody else does" implies that bringing it up here was at best foolish and at worst just trolling. 
2022-01-27 18:38:41	slimefoot	this whole discussion is a prime example for why XY questions lead nowhere
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2022-01-27 18:40:27	rcf	And I say that as an avid user of pikaur with a shared local cache. 
2022-01-27 18:40:32	alad	rcf: :O
2022-01-27 18:40:42	rcf	alad: I am filthy and I know it 
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2022-01-27 18:41:09	weltio	rcf: me too - thats why my question came up in the first place
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2022-01-27 18:43:03	rcf	I simply find that -- if the goal is reducing downloads and build times -- just dumping the lot on the NAS is sufficient, no filtering needed, except for the occasional paccache run if it has become exceedingly bloated. 
2022-01-27 18:43:09	weltio	rcf: before i write my own solution ill ask if there is a similar - it is not; i dont want to know about related problems
2022-01-27 18:43:18	diniboy	Hey, I tried setting up selinux based on this wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/SELinux. Everything went smooth and I decided to install selinux-refpolicy-arch first. In permissive mode it worked well, but when I switched to enforcing I got a bricked system. At a very early boot stage when initcpio already mounted my luks rootfs I see messages
2022-01-27 18:43:19	diniboy	right after that that NetworkManager and User Login Daemon failed to start etc
2022-01-27 18:43:31	weltio	rcf: its about generating a custom repo of some parts of the cache
2022-01-27 18:43:36	◣	serbest (~ike@user/serbest) ha salido (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2022-01-27 18:43:36	diniboy	whats the current state of selinux rn in Arch?
2022-01-27 18:43:38	weltio	its not that hard to understand
2022-01-27 18:43:40	diniboy	does anyone use it?
2022-01-27 18:43:57	weltio	if thats trolling for you, you seem to be a troll
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2022-01-27 18:44:20	⚡ 	NetSysFire looks at alad
2022-01-27 18:44:23	weltio	alad: its not waste, as i was writing a script for my problem before - it was just about an implementation DETAIL
2022-01-27 18:44:32	alad	ok it seems you didn't get the message
2022-01-27 18:45:03	weltio	didnt know that it would hurt your feelings - im sorry
2022-01-27 18:45:32	alad	-_-
2022-01-27 18:45:37	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+o alad] por ChanServ
2022-01-27 18:45:48	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+q $a:weltio] por alad
2022-01-27 18:45:51	@alad	finally, peace and quiet
2022-01-27 18:45:57	MrElendig	diniboy: diy basically
2022-01-27 18:46:07	NetSysFire	alad++
2022-01-27 18:46:20	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [-o alad] por ChanServ
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2022-01-27 18:46:39	diniboy	MrElendig: I know that part, but I am surprised there is already a refpolicy for arch, yet my system breaks
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2022-01-27 18:46:54	diniboy	is it so diy that you need to alter your policies too?
2022-01-27 18:47:00	MrElendig	diniboy: because said policy is really basic, it doesn't cover all packages etc
2022-01-27 18:47:14	MrElendig	diniboy: technically you have to do that on eg fedora too
2022-01-27 18:47:15	diniboy	I see
2022-01-27 18:47:15	rcf	diniboy: without first-class distro support SELinux is unusable without doing so. 
2022-01-27 18:47:23	MrElendig	for anything but a very basic use case
2022-01-27 18:47:28	diniboy	thank you then
2022-01-27 18:47:50	diniboy	I am surprised how there is not much interest in getting it to work though
2022-01-27 18:47:55	⚡ 	MrElendig had to tweak the selinux policies to set up his samba shares on fedora
2022-01-27 18:48:11	NetSysFire	rcf: #archlinux is first-class distro support!
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2022-01-27 18:48:34	diniboy	right now I am using apparmor, but I find it odd that you need to create all kinds of policies for each app and it doesn't do anything on a general level
2022-01-27 18:49:03	rcf	NetSysFire: get enough people trying to debug their SELinux configurations and you'll probably reconsider staying here
2022-01-27 18:49:17	MrElendig	diniboy: that is the same for selinux
2022-01-27 18:49:30	MrElendig	more or less
2022-01-27 18:49:55	diniboy	well, when I was on Fedora it could restrict random binaries thanks to the context system
2022-01-27 18:50:05	diniboy	apparmor doesn't seem to have that as far as I saw
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2022-01-27 18:51:45	rcf	diniboy: the lack of interest is mostly because it would take a fairly coordinated effort to do it well and arch is much too laid back for that to materialize anytime soon. 
2022-01-27 18:52:01	diniboy	thought so
2022-01-27 18:52:37	diniboy	meh, I would really love to have it, but I also don't want to move back to Fedora nor got the knowledge to do it all myself
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2022-01-27 18:53:14	rcf	People like pacman because it is easy to package things. Create mandatory SELinux support policies and that ends up going away. 
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2022-01-27 18:53:40	diniboy	yeah I guess
2022-01-27 18:53:55	rcf	Also imagine trying to get the AUR on board
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2022-01-27 18:54:47	rcf	You couldn't hope to do that sanely
2022-01-27 18:54:53	diniboy	indeed
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2022-01-27 18:55:14	diniboy	thanks for the inputs, I will reconsider my choices :D
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2022-01-27 18:57:05	rcf	I say take the plunge and learn how to do it yourself. Not only will you free yourself to use pretty much any distro, you'll also (through effort required) be forced into limiting your attack surface further by keeping number of programs running to a minimum! 
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2022-01-27 18:57:38	diniboy	that'd be great, but I am unsure where to start
2022-01-27 18:58:04	diniboy	probably just within a VM with a pure sysroot I guess
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2022-01-27 18:59:12	poisond	hi ^^ I'm trying to switch from pulse to pipewire but I'm using network audio. According to https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#Sharing_audio_devices_with_computers_on_the_network I have to load the pulse module module-zeroconf-discover but that package depends on pulseaudio which conflicts with pipewire. I've installed pipewire-zeroconf but that doesn't seem to do anything. Could somebody
2022-01-27 18:59:12	poisond	help 
2022-01-27 18:59:14	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-27 18:59:18	poisond	me troubleshoot/get network audio client functionality working please? ^^
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2022-01-27 19:22:05	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-01-27 19:22:05	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1457 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1457 normals)
2022-01-27 19:02:35	MrElendig	poisond: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=PipeWire-0.3.44-Released
2022-01-27 19:02:36	phrik	Title: PipeWire 0.3.44 Released With Latency Improvements, Minimal PW Server Support - Phoronix (at www.phoronix.com)
2022-01-27 19:22:03	demize	And 3) what did the dbus daemon logs say?
2022-01-27 19:22:05	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-27 19:22:25	poisond	oh sorry, this is a bit confusing. I can install pulseaudio instead of pipewire-pulse?
2022-01-27 19:22:56	demize	If you want to use pulseaudio instead of pipewire, yes.
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2022-01-27 19:24:30	poisond	according to pactl list modules short I have managed to load module-zeroconf-discover thrice ...
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2022-01-27 22:10:24	⚡ 	topcat001 fvwm2, working on fvwm3 in spare time.
2022-01-27 22:25:26	sangy	how is pulse started nowadays? I thought htere was a socket but I don't see it in systemctl list-sockets
2022-01-27 22:25:46	thursdaylark	it's a --user unit
2022-01-27 22:26:16	NetSysFire	which is started by a user socket unit
2022-01-27 22:26:20	gehidore	--user is so sexy
2022-01-27 22:27:01	demize	!--user
2022-01-27 22:27:02	phrik	gehidore
2022-01-27 22:27:03	demize	Wow!
2022-01-27 22:27:46	NetSysFire	!factinfo --user
2022-01-27 22:27:46	phrik	NetSysFire: Error: No such factoid: "--user"
2022-01-27 22:27:55	NetSysFire	!aka show --user
2022-01-27 22:27:55	phrik	NetSysFire: aka show [--channel <#channel>] <alias>
2022-01-27 22:27:59	NetSysFire	dammit
2022-01-27 22:28:11	demize	I covered my tracks!
2022-01-27 22:28:34	NetSysFire	aboose
2022-01-27 22:29:51	demize	You can't prove it!
2022-01-27 22:31:18	NetSysFire	!check if demize is guilty of aboose
2022-01-27 22:31:19	phrik	Testing if demize is guilty of aboose: [FAIL]
2022-01-27 22:31:22	NetSysFire	dammit!
2022-01-27 22:32:09	demize	!check if phrik is a obedient little helper
2022-01-27 22:32:10	phrik	Testing if phrik is a obedient little helper: [PASS]
2022-01-27 22:32:20	demize	Good bot.
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2022-01-27 22:32:56	demize	(I have to say, I am quite pleased with the RNG there.)
2022-01-27 22:33:27	NetSysFire	its not rng
2022-01-27 22:33:57	◣	tasse (~tasse@user/tasse) ha salido (Quit: Bye)
2022-01-27 22:34:14	demize	What are you implying here.  D;
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2022-01-27 22:36:18	NetSysFire	are you covering your tracks again!
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2022-01-27 22:38:14	demize	... No...
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2022-01-27 22:41:13	sangy	ah thanks!
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2022-01-27 22:42:23	sangy	I get this sadness:
2022-01-27 22:42:25	sangy	Jan 27 16:42:09 LykOS pulseaudio[1705139]: stat('/etc/pulse/default.pa.d'): No such file or directory
2022-01-27 22:42:30	gehidore	fun times
2022-01-27 22:42:43	sangy	why would pulse do this to me 
2022-01-27 22:43:02	gehidore	because pulse no like the sangy
2022-01-27 22:43:05	demize	Well, is it erroring or that, or just warning?
2022-01-27 22:43:13	sangy	(to avoid an xy, it just decided to not handle my audio card)
2022-01-27 22:43:27	sangy	demize: I think it's warning, as it's still running
2022-01-27 22:43:37	demize	Very useful, lol.
2022-01-27 22:43:52	sangy	lol I have a dummy output tho :D
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2022-01-27 22:45:36	sangy	ah there's a line at the end of /etc/pulse/default.pa that does .nofail.include so I guess that is not the problem
2022-01-27 22:45:49	sangy	dude pulse give my my audio card where'd you put it 
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2022-01-27 22:46:34	topcat001	!itcrowd
2022-01-27 22:46:35	phrik	Have you tried turning it off and on again?
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2022-01-27 22:47:20	sangy	i should lol
2022-01-27 22:47:28	⚡ 	topcat001 cavecat with alsa
2022-01-27 22:48:01	topcat001	PA is nice and I have used it in the past.
2022-01-27 22:51:39	Hydragyrum	!--user
2022-01-27 22:51:39	phrik	Hydragyrum: Is that… Is that really a word?
2022-01-27 22:52:00	Earnestly	!--user is <reply>gehidore
2022-01-27 22:52:00	phrik	Earnestly: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
2022-01-27 22:52:20	Earnestly	Well
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2022-01-27 22:53:51	topcat001	phrik, behave :)
2022-01-27 22:53:52	phrik	topcat001: Is that a question?
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2022-01-27 23:07:37	TheDcoder	How do I verify that the data has been copied correctly after I transfer files across drives? I know that I can use hashes but I don't want to stress the CPU, is there a tool which can perform a byte-by-byte comparison?
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2022-01-27 23:15:05	Spunk	you can copy files with rsync
2022-01-27 23:15:18	Spunk	use the flag -c to check if the file is copied correctly
2022-01-27 23:15:42	TheDcoder	Spunk: I did, but AFAIK it doesn't reread the file to check what's actually written to the disk
2022-01-27 23:16:09	Spunk	no. it only checks it once after it is copied
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2022-01-27 23:16:31	TheDcoder	by the way, it looks like you got the wrong argument
2022-01-27 23:16:33	TheDcoder	--checksum, -c skip based on checksum, not mod-time & size 
2022-01-27 23:16:50	slimefoot	why not simply `diff`?
2022-01-27 23:16:58	◣	gproto23 (~gproto23@user/gproto23) ha salido (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2022-01-27 23:17:03	Spunk	TheDcoder, that is correct
2022-01-27 23:17:14	Spunk	it only checks content; not timestamp
2022-01-27 23:17:17	TheDcoder	slimefoot: does it work for binary files?
2022-01-27 23:17:22	Spunk	slimefoot, yup. diff is also an option
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2022-01-27 23:17:29	Spunk	TheDcoder, it does
2022-01-27 23:17:48	slimefoot	yes
2022-01-27 23:18:10	TheDcoder	Spunk: I get the impression that -c is only used as a filter to determine which files to actually copy
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2022-01-27 23:18:23	TheDcoder	i.e it doesn't seem to be related to validation
2022-01-27 23:18:25	Spunk	you can also use rsync like this: rsync -rvcm --compare-dest=../old/ new/ difference/
2022-01-27 23:18:44	TheDcoder	what does that do?
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2022-01-27 23:20:13	Spunk	recursive, verbose, checksum, ignore empty dirs
2022-01-27 23:20:24	Spunk	compares old with new 
2022-01-27 23:20:29	slimefoot	but what's the real goal?
2022-01-27 23:20:30	slimefoot	!xy
2022-01-27 23:20:30	phrik	What exactly are you trying to do? http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=542341
2022-01-27 23:20:31	Spunk	what did you use to copy files?
2022-01-27 23:20:48	TheDcoder	slimefoot: to make sure my files have been copied properly
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2022-01-27 23:20:58	TheDcoder	Spunk: rsync
2022-01-27 23:21:19	Spunk	did you use rsync -t
2022-01-27 23:21:24	Spunk	to preserve timestamps?
2022-01-27 23:21:30	Spunk	and also, slimefoot is right
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2022-01-27 23:21:33	Spunk	what are you trying to do?
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2022-01-27 23:22:15	⚡ 	slimefoot usually just trusts rsync and doesn't feel the need to check again...
2022-01-27 23:22:37	TheDcoder	Spunk: No, I did not use the -t option
2022-01-27 23:22:39	Spunk	slimefoot, that too
2022-01-27 23:22:54	Spunk	TheDcoder, in that case all your original timestamps are gone  
2022-01-27 23:22:57	Spunk	so to speak
2022-01-27 23:22:57	◣	dfinr (~dfinr@user/dfinr) ha salido ()
2022-01-27 23:22:58	TheDcoder	I am trying to make sure the files have been written correctly
2022-01-27 23:23:11	Spunk	rsync should do that for you 
2022-01-27 23:23:16	Spunk	but if you want confirmation
2022-01-27 23:23:18	Spunk	use -c
2022-01-27 23:23:47	TheDcoder	slimefoot: It's more about trusting the I/O, the program doesn't matter, errors can happen when writing data to disks
2022-01-27 23:23:54	◣	YellowSuB (~YellowSuB@user/yellowsub) ha salido (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2022-01-27 23:24:14	TheDcoder	Spunk: That's the point of contention for me, I don't think it actually checks
2022-01-27 23:24:19	◣	ugubok (~ugubok@user/ugubok) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-01-27 23:24:27	TheDcoder	It only checks if the data which is being written is correct
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2022-01-27 23:25:09	slimefoot	rsync always compares source and destination, so with -c, it has to read the destination file as well to calculate the checksum
2022-01-27 23:25:29	TheDcoder	"Note that rsync always verifies that each transferred file was correctly reconstructed on the receiving side by checking a whole-file checksum that is generated as the file is transferred, but that automatic after-the-transfer verification has nothing to do with this option’s before-the-transfer "Does this file need to be updated?" check."
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2022-01-27 23:25:55	TheDcoder	Maybe it does reread the entire file
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2022-01-27 23:26:11	TheDcoder	I'll ask in the dedicated rsync channel
2022-01-27 23:26:17	topcat001	does disk cache interfere with this?
2022-01-27 23:26:32	topcat001	the re read I mean
2022-01-27 23:26:36	TheDcoder	slimefoot: No, it's pretty clear that the -c option has nothing to do with the after-the-transfer check
2022-01-27 23:26:48	TheDcoder	topcat001: I hope not, but it's possible
2022-01-27 23:27:15	topcat001	So to be totally sure, copy, unmount, remount and then diff? Dunno.
2022-01-27 23:27:28	TheDcoder	I might end up writing my own copy program...
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2022-01-27 23:28:11	topcat001	haha I understand your pain. I have pretty bad OCD (not implying you do).
2022-01-27 23:28:34	TheDcoder	topcat001: I might actually have some form of OCD too
2022-01-27 23:28:34	slimefoot	TheDcoder: I read that part more as a "rsync *always* checks the checksum as it writes the file, but not when deciding whether a file needs update, and -c changes that by forcing rsync to always read back the destination file" - basically what the first section in the explanation for -c says
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2022-01-27 23:29:10	Spunk	slimefoot, that's why I suggested the use of -c
2022-01-27 23:29:16	Spunk	it seems like what he is asking for
2022-01-27 23:29:22	Spunk	is an after the fact check
2022-01-27 23:29:30	slimefoot	yeah, to me it also seems like -c is what they want
2022-01-27 23:29:43	Spunk	I don't know how else to help
2022-01-27 23:29:48	TheDcoder	No, I think you are misunderstanding it, -c is only to determine if a certain file is to be copied over to the dest
2022-01-27 23:29:57	TheDcoder	It's pointless when there's no file in the destination
2022-01-27 23:30:17	TheDcoder	Spunk: Don't worry about it, thanks for trying :)
2022-01-27 23:30:18	Spunk	so 
2022-01-27 23:30:21	Spunk	you want it to check
2022-01-27 23:30:25	Spunk	but not to copy
2022-01-27 23:30:30	Spunk	if a target files does not exist?
2022-01-27 23:30:49	slimefoot	egh - let #rsync tell it to them, then
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2022-01-27 23:31:02	Spunk	agreed
2022-01-27 23:31:09	TheDcoder	I don't care, all I want is to verify that the data is written correctly, it can be done in several different ways :)
2022-01-27 23:31:48	TheDcoder	slimefoot: No problem, thanks for the advice about diff, I didn't know I could use that with binary files
2022-01-27 23:32:34	topcat001	diff is pretty fast to test bit perfect equality.
2022-01-27 23:33:08	TheDcoder	...the man page for diff doesn't even mention anything about binary :-/
2022-01-27 23:33:23	Spunk	for f in /my/files; do diff $f /target/$f done
2022-01-27 23:33:26	Spunk	something like that
2022-01-27 23:33:56	Spunk	plus all the ifs to check if file exists and so on
2022-01-27 23:33:57	◣	ahso (~Thunderbi@user/ahso) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-01-27 23:34:06	Spunk	you can script it, if rsync is not exactly what you want
2022-01-27 23:34:07	topcat001	probably cmp is more appropriate btw
2022-01-27 23:34:16	TheDcoder	I am not interested in it's diff generation capabilities, will it try to generate a diff even for a binary file?
2022-01-27 23:34:20	topcat001	TheDcoder ^
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2022-01-27 23:34:34	TheDcoder	topcat001: yeah, that's bang on
2022-01-27 23:34:37	TheDcoder	thanks
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2022-01-28 15:41:27	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1446 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1446 normals)
2022-01-28 13:14:31	NetSysFire	i would have said https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux_AMIs_for_Amazon_Web_Services but thats out of date too
2022-01-28 13:14:32	phrik	Title: Arch Linux AMIs for Amazon Web Services - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-28 13:17:03	pspacek	Yeah, /AWS just redirects to that place.
2022-01-28 13:17:15	jelle	hmmm maybe arch can make an official image
2022-01-28 13:17:19	Ghosthree3	dav1d: userscript redirect for the old format is pretty clean imo https://0x0.st/-CE0.txt
2022-01-28 13:18:33	Ghosthree3	you dont need to modify the css or anything, the site does serve the old format you just need that parameter, which that script will auto add on every page
2022-01-28 13:20:34	pspacek	That would be nice, but it's hardsell to ask someone to pay $$$ to AWS if the person is not using resulting images. (That is to say, I perfectly understand the original maintainer that he gave up.)
2022-01-28 13:20:49	jelle	pspacek: if amazon sends me monies sure
2022-01-28 13:20:53	jelle	s/me/arch/
2022-01-28 13:21:31	pspacek	It could, https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/aws-promotional-credits-open-source-projects/
2022-01-28 13:21:33	phrik	Title: AWS promotional credits for open source projects | AWS Open Source Blog (at aws.amazon.com)
2022-01-28 13:21:54	jelle	aha
2022-01-28 13:22:02	jelle	that sweet bezos money
2022-01-28 13:22:12	pspacek	(I have seen projects actually receiving that money from AWS.)
2022-01-28 13:22:29	pspacek	Well, not an actual money, just AWS credits.
2022-01-28 13:22:31	NetSysFire	"pay me money and i will make sure arch runs on your infrastructure" sounds more like a threat than a friendly offer to me
2022-01-28 13:23:15	jelle	NetSysFire: in case you didn't know amazon is a company which makes products they sell ;-)
2022-01-28 13:23:44	NetSysFire	thanks captain obvious
2022-01-28 13:24:07	jelle	so, don't see how it's a threat it's basically doing them a free service ;-)
2022-01-28 13:24:40	NetSysFire	you didnt get the joke :(
2022-01-28 13:25:51	jelle	NetSysFire: that's often the case with germans :O
2022-01-28 13:26:56	Khorne	Rude
2022-01-28 13:30:44	novns	jelle, did you get my private message last week?
2022-01-28 13:33:04	jelle	novns: I'd have to check
2022-01-28 13:35:30	NetSysFire	i'd take that as a no lol
2022-01-28 13:37:17	novns	it's ok
2022-01-28 13:37:40	alad	jelle is a busy man with many private messages
2022-01-28 13:37:41	novns	will do some offtopic here from time to time
2022-01-28 13:41:46	novns	a nice book: https://pomax.github.io/bezierinfo/
2022-01-28 13:41:47	phrik	Title: A Primer on Bézier Curves (at pomax.github.io)
2022-01-28 13:42:05	novns	not sure what to do with it except bookmarking for later
2022-01-28 13:43:32	jonathon	heh, "we will be examining applications on the basis of their relevance to AWS and its customers." Or, "we will give you credits if we can resell your project". ;D
2022-01-28 13:44:25	jelle	lol
2022-01-28 13:46:04	newuser	does vm need ucode?
2022-01-28 13:47:59	Ghosthree3	ucode is for literally flashing the hardware cpu firmware
2022-01-28 13:48:05	Ghosthree3	in a vm it just wouldnt do anything i imagine
2022-01-28 13:49:14	newuser	then, gnu certified OSes will run without any problem, right?
2022-01-28 13:50:35	jelle	newuser: yes, but I highly recommend not to run gnu certified OSes :P
2022-01-28 13:51:31	newuser	are you really suggesting that? why though? 🤔
2022-01-28 13:51:34	varl	!paste
2022-01-28 13:51:34	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-01-28 13:51:42	jelle	newuser: what OS are you thinking of?
2022-01-28 13:52:06	newuser	trisquel
2022-01-28 13:52:43	jelle	newuser: because not allowing ucode/firmware just gives users a broken experience
2022-01-28 13:53:23	newuser	yeah, but, I will run it on vm only
2022-01-28 13:53:33	jelle	sure
2022-01-28 13:54:37	newuser	thanks 🙂
2022-01-28 13:55:25	jelle	newuser: bit offtopic, but https://ariadne.space/2022/01/22/the-fsfs-relationship-with-firmware-is-harmful-to-free-software-users/
2022-01-28 13:55:26	phrik	Title: the FSF’s relationship with firmware is harmful to free software users – Ariadne's Space (at ariadne.space)
2022-01-28 13:57:11	newuser	but, then again, it wouldn't be 100% free if you are running something like ucode, right?
2022-01-28 13:57:32	xx	this creates a pem cert of 555 byte size
2022-01-28 13:57:35	xx	openssl req -subj / -nodes -sha256 -newkey ed25519 -x509 -days 365 -keyout CERT.key -out CERT.cer; (umask 0066 && cat CERT.cer CERT.key > CERT.pem); rm CERT.{cer,key}
2022-01-28 13:57:42	xx	how can I make it smaller?
2022-01-28 13:58:02	labrador	newuser, I think it would be better to take it somewhere else maybe.
2022-01-28 13:58:27	newuser	yeah, sorry
2022-01-28 13:58:29	jelle	newuser: I'm not sure if ucode can be seen as firmware, but you for sure can't "compile it from source"
2022-01-28 14:15:56	mexen	What's the community consensus on yay vs paru? I used Arch years ago (only yay existed then). I have been thinking to try out Arch in a VM and see if I should return to daily driving it.
2022-01-28 14:15:56	mexen	So... yay or paru?
2022-01-28 14:15:56	mexen	Thanks
2022-01-28 14:16:50	Ghosthree3	both work, i think paru has a better future
2022-01-28 14:17:09	alad	neither
2022-01-28 14:17:25	alad	how many of those AUR packages do you use anyway
2022-01-28 14:17:41	mexen	Ghosthree3: Oh, I see. Why is that, you reckon?
2022-01-28 14:17:44	alad	phrik: give mexen aurhelpers
2022-01-28 14:17:45	phrik	mexen: Do not recommend AUR Helpers before establishing they fully understand the process of using makepkg. Also read http://jasonwryan.com/blog/2013/04/09/helpers/
2022-01-28 14:17:50	Ghosthree3	alad: pacman -Qqme | wc -l     34
2022-01-28 14:18:16	GuiToris	68, I win
2022-01-28 14:18:23	mexen	alad: hm, back then, I think a total of around 6-8. I don't know about now because some may have made it to the main repos
2022-01-28 14:18:33	alad	mexen: have you considered using email notifications for those 
2022-01-28 14:18:51	alad	then whenever one of your packages needs an update, you're notified right away
2022-01-28 14:19:04	GuiToris	as a matter of fact, I thought I would have much more :/
2022-01-28 14:19:18	alad	GuiToris: my record is slightly over 800
2022-01-28 14:19:23	alad	it's not a win, only a loss :D
2022-01-28 14:19:24	Ghosthree3	mexen: the primary feature developer for yay had differences with the lead maintainer with how they wanted to include stuff so made paru, they're pretty much the same now though i believe paru has improved on a few things at this point. for general installation and removal 99% of the time you wont know the difference though
2022-01-28 14:19:46	GuiToris	alad, oh, I'm not even close
2022-01-28 14:20:09	mexen	Ghosthree3: Oh, I see.
2022-01-28 14:20:42	newuser	alad, is there any email subscription available for aur update?
2022-01-28 14:20:54	mexen	alad: there was a tool I used to use for that... hm, it never notified me via e-mail but it showed what needed updates even from AUR
2022-01-28 14:21:03	mexen	Final question
2022-01-28 14:21:12	mexen	can yay and paru run side by side
2022-01-28 14:21:21	alad	newuser: enable notifications on the website for an aur package should notify you on upgrades, yes
2022-01-28 14:21:34	alad	mexen: do you know how aur helpers like yay and paru operate
2022-01-28 14:21:34	Ghosthree3	yea they could but idk why you'd choose to do that
2022-01-28 14:21:48	Ghosthree3	^ the fact that you have to ask means you dont know what they do really
2022-01-28 14:21:58	mexen	alad: their innards? not really, no.
2022-01-28 14:22:04	alad	mexen: no, the basic principles
2022-01-28 14:22:19	mexen	yes
2022-01-28 14:22:30	alad	then you should be able to answer your question on your own
2022-01-28 14:22:36	dav1d	Ghosthree3, thanks, that's a good solution
2022-01-28 14:22:51	mexen	All right, thanks.
2022-01-28 14:22:55	Ghosthree3	aur helpers are not like pacman, they dont keep their own db which tracks the installation of aur packages, pacman is responsible for that, they use pacman
2022-01-28 14:24:06	alad	Ghosthree3: reminds me of some pathologic cases, which haven't heard of local repos, and make an sqlite db of whatever aur packages they built instead :D
2022-01-28 14:25:13	alad	that is, next to their basic usage of pacman -U
2022-01-28 14:26:20	roxlu	dav1d: did you see my privmsg? 
2022-01-28 14:32:40	dav1d	roxlu, yeah but it said you werent a user, no I am not that guy
2022-01-28 14:32:57	roxlu	oh okay :) no probs. 
2022-01-28 14:40:14	pspacek	FTR it seems that https://gitlab.com/anemos-io/archlinux-ec2/ has all the scripts necessary to build AWS images using pacstrap.
2022-01-28 14:40:15	phrik	Title: anemos.io / archlinux-ec2 · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2022-01-28 15:00:39	AlexC	hey
2022-01-28 15:00:55	AlexC	any clue why my fresh installed arch panicing?
2022-01-28 15:00:58	AlexC	https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933687978683957248/936620201775083630/20220128_142029.jpg
2022-01-28 15:01:03	AlexC	here's the panic
2022-01-28 15:01:17	AlexC	and not just arch, but mint also panicing.
2022-01-28 15:01:28	AlexC	nvme is 98% healthy
2022-01-28 15:01:41	AlexC	tried 2 different pendrive
2022-01-28 15:01:49	AlexC	win10 runs just fine..
2022-01-28 15:02:09	Scimmia	error says it can't load the initramfs
2022-01-28 15:02:28	AlexC	ye, but why?!
2022-01-28 15:02:48	AlexC	why is the initramfs on a fresh install gets corrupted
2022-01-28 15:02:58	AlexC	on 2 different distros
2022-01-28 15:03:12	AlexC	and win10 rins just fine
2022-01-28 15:03:19	AlexC	bios settings are good.
2022-01-28 15:03:24	AlexC	runs*
2022-01-28 15:03:25	Scimmia	using latest kernel packages?
2022-01-28 15:03:41	AlexC	see picture above.
2022-01-28 15:03:44	AlexC	you can see
2022-01-28 15:04:14	Scimmia	ok, I see 5.16.3 is still in testing
2022-01-28 15:04:39	AlexC	but as I said linux mint also panicing.
2022-01-28 15:04:50	AlexC	thats 5.13 i think
2022-01-28 15:05:00	Scimmia	so what's this about a pendrive?
2022-01-28 15:05:20	AlexC	nothing, tried 2 different pendrive installing it
2022-01-28 15:05:27	AlexC	same result
2022-01-28 15:05:45	AlexC	nvme drive is healthy
2022-01-28 15:06:01	SponiX	AlexC: do you have anything over clocked ? Including XMP on the Ram ?
2022-01-28 15:06:12	AlexC	ram
2022-01-28 15:06:15	AlexC	only
2022-01-28 15:06:26	SponiX	take everything back to stock, even do base line 2133 on the Ram
2022-01-28 15:06:33	AlexC	with rated xmp profile
2022-01-28 15:06:37	AlexC	ok
2022-01-28 15:06:44	cdown	almost 100% certain that's bad memory, or poorly tested oc.
2022-01-28 15:07:00	SponiX	cdown: Yeah, and Windows will still run with it -- is normal
2022-01-28 15:07:03	cdown	for that to happen the writeback almost certainly has to have produced the wrong data, which is all in memory.
2022-01-28 15:07:43	SponiX	Linux is very picky about these things
2022-01-28 15:08:33	AlexC	ye, thx
2022-01-28 15:08:37	AlexC	will try
2022-01-28 15:08:42	AlexC	and post the results
2022-01-28 15:13:21	morteza24	!paste
2022-01-28 15:13:22	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-01-28 15:13:42	morteza24	!ix
2022-01-28 15:13:43	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-01-28 15:13:47	morteza24	!rs
2022-01-28 15:13:47	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2022-01-28 15:15:03	AlexC	so
2022-01-28 15:15:09	AlexC	i installed mint on a sata ssd
2022-01-28 15:15:23	AlexC	it works..
2022-01-28 15:15:25	AlexC	https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382924765238919170/936624849344929832/20220128_151243.jpg
2022-01-28 15:15:33	AlexC	without touching any settings in the bios
2022-01-28 15:16:19	Scimmia	corruption from overclocked RAM isn't going to be deterministic
2022-01-28 15:16:25	Scimmia	it may happen, it may not
2022-01-28 15:16:28	AlexC	checked, RAM isn't overclocked
2022-01-28 15:16:36	AlexC	running in 2133 JEDEC speed
2022-01-28 15:24:15	AlexC	but, it's working on a sata ssd
2022-01-28 15:24:22	AlexC	why it doesn't work on an nvme?
2022-01-28 15:26:28	AlexC	and the same nvme win10 works just fine.
2022-01-28 15:32:17	snoot	anyone else having trouble with pipewire-pulse after the new update?
2022-01-28 15:33:38	shem	snoot: works fine here
2022-01-28 15:34:20	Ghosthree3	snoot: it crapped out on me after updating it (audio went static), but i restarted the service and it was fine
2022-01-28 15:36:04	snoot	Ghosthree3: that worked for me, thanks. yep audio went static here as well
2022-01-28 15:36:16	Ghosthree3	yea no idea why, never happened before
2022-01-28 15:36:29	Ghosthree3	the master volume also got changed, but after sliding it back up its been fine since
2022-01-28 15:37:54	Flexyjerkov	question, not so much arch based but just linux in general...
2022-01-28 15:38:14	Flexyjerkov	can anyone name any decent free web based syslog tools?
2022-01-28 15:38:26	Flexyjerkov	need to get a syslog server up and running 
2022-01-28 15:41:27	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-28 15:46:56	teraflops	Flexyjerkov:  journactl has a remote mode which can be accessed web
2022-01-28 15:47:02	teraflops	via web^
2022-01-28 15:47:23	Dan39	what? o_O
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2022-01-28 15:47:33	Flexyjerkov	it does?
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2022-01-28 15:48:58	teraflops	take a look at systemd-journal-remote
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2022-01-28 15:50:29	mexen	I think even qjournalctl exists but not web based
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2022-01-28 15:54:26	phrik	Title: systemd-journal-remote.service (at www.freedesktop.org)
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2022-01-28 16:55:15	nij-	Hello! My browser doesn't render code blocks in monospace correctly sometimes. Especially those that are enclosed in <code>..</code>. If however the texts are enclosed in <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">..</code>, then a monospace font is selected.
2022-01-28 16:55:47	nij-	I suspect that's because I am missing some monospace fonts that are universal enough on my arch machine. What "base" monospace fonts would you suggest me to install?
2022-01-28 16:58:50	luigibu	hi! can i safely delete .cache/yay/ content?
2022-01-28 16:59:19	cburgard	hey everyone, I'm struggling to setup my bluetooth headset on my brand new arch laptop. I'm using pulseaudio+bluez+blueman, and the headset is a Bose QC 35 II. I can successfully connect and pair with the device, but it doesn't show up as a card in pactl. I've searched the web, but everyone just tells me to restart bluetooth and pulseaudio, and I've done that multiple times now. any suggetsions?
2022-01-28 16:59:37	mxbl	luigibu: yes, should work fine if you aren't running yay at the same time
2022-01-28 16:59:44	luigibu	thnaks!
2022-01-28 16:59:55	luigibu	cburgard: try pipewire.. is what works for me
2022-01-28 17:00:45	teraflops	cburgard: check pulseaudio and bluetoothd logs
2022-01-28 17:01:25	cburgard	luigibu: thanks, I'll give it a try when all else fails!
2022-01-28 17:02:18	luigibu	:D sound like good plan
2022-01-28 17:03:11	teraflops	cburgard: also, do you have pulseaudio-bluetooth package installed?
2022-01-28 17:03:54	teraflops	you can use that one or pulseaudio-modules-bt-git from AUR which supports more codecs
2022-01-28 17:05:41	cburgard	teraflops: 
2022-01-28 17:05:41	cburgard	yes, pulseaudio-bluetooth is there. I can try using the one you suggest, but would the codec really make the difference between it showing up in pactl?
2022-01-28 17:06:04	teraflops	nope
2022-01-28 17:07:41	cburgard	tefaflops: I'm trying to look at the logs as we speak and I can't find anything suspicious. bluetoothd says everything's fine, and pulseaudio doesn't even realize anything should be happening. what's the right place to check in more depth? (right now I'm just looking at what "systemctl status" tells me)
2022-01-28 17:09:51	teraflops	cburgard: tried plain bluetoothctl to see if it shows more info?
2022-01-28 17:10:40	teraflops	also check bluetooth status as in systemctl status bluetooth.service
2022-01-28 17:10:56	cburgard	teraflops: well, it's paired, trusted and connected. for all those UUIDs, I'm not sure what to make of them
2022-01-28 17:11:26	nij-	j
2022-01-28 17:11:43	nij-	(oops.. sorry)
2022-01-28 17:11:45	Earnestly	https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/882799/7523e0f3744660ec/
2022-01-28 17:11:48	phrik	Title: Handling argc==0 in the kernel [LWN.net] (at lwn.net)
2022-01-28 17:12:04	teraflops	and what's the output of pactl list sinks?
2022-01-28 17:13:17	teraflops	cburgard: if you do have pavucontrol installed check the configuration tab
2022-01-28 17:14:13	cburgard	teraflops: it only shows my default sound card with a 'hifi' profile and an 'off' profile
2022-01-28 17:18:12	teraflops	what's the output of systemctl status bluetooth.service ?
2022-01-28 17:19:30	teraflops	please share the output of the commands I asked above
2022-01-28 17:21:26	teraflops	also are you sure you are using pulseaudio and not pipewire? (I have no idea on pipewire, I'm still on pulseaudio)
2022-01-28 17:22:19	cburgard	!paste
2022-01-28 17:22:19	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-01-28 17:23:42	cburgard	teraflops: https://ix.io/3NN8
2022-01-28 17:23:43	teraflops	I think pactl info will tell you if you are using pulseadio native or not
2022-01-28 17:23:55	luigibu	does someone know how to build this https://github.com/ciderapp/Apple-Music-Electron
2022-01-28 17:24:12	luigibu	the new version (cider) is not working for me
2022-01-28 17:25:16	teraflops	cburgard: the ix link gave me an error
2022-01-28 17:25:19	teraflops	hmm
2022-01-28 17:25:40	teraflops	ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR
2022-01-28 17:26:18	cburgard	teraflops: http://ix.io/3NNa
2022-01-28 17:26:25	cburgard	I think ix was down for a moment, but it seems to be back up
2022-01-28 17:26:58	teraflops	can you use any other pastebin? no it shwos server error
2022-01-28 17:27:02	teraflops	shows
2022-01-28 17:27:14	teraflops	The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
2022-01-28 17:27:40	teraflops	nhow it works, nvm
2022-01-28 17:28:39	teraflops	no trace of bt sink there indeed
2022-01-28 17:29:51	teraflops	luigibu: there's a "get this from the aur" image there
2022-01-28 17:29:54	teraflops	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/cider
2022-01-28 17:29:56	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - cider (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-01-28 17:30:59	cburgard	teraflops: and when I ask friend google, I only get this here in various shapes and sizes: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=232083
2022-01-28 17:31:00	phrik	Title: No bluetooth-output in pulseaudio when connecting to bluetooth-speaker / Multimedia and Games / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-01-28 17:31:30	cburgard	but this is only for the startup of pulseaudio, so this should really not be an issue if I restart it by hand anyway, no?
2022-01-28 17:31:33	luigibu	in aur the package is deprecated in favour of Cider
2022-01-28 17:31:43	luigibu	but im getting errors trying it
2022-01-28 17:32:13	teraflops	cburgard: pulseaudio -k and re-pair the headset
2022-01-28 17:32:45	cburgard	teraflops: re-connect or re-pair?
2022-01-28 17:33:00	teraflops	how did yuo pair the device, using blueman?
2022-01-28 17:33:16	cburgard	teraflops: yes, the blueman-applet gui
2022-01-28 17:33:35	teraflops	I guess that's ok, I never used blueman
2022-01-28 17:33:59	teraflops	just restart pulseadio (pulseadio -k) and reconnect
2022-01-28 17:34:45	teraflops	you can keep lbuetooth journal open at the same time
2022-01-28 17:34:54	teraflops	journalctl -u bluetooth -f
2022-01-28 17:35:36	colo	my bluetooth setup has started developing issues recently, too. after resuming from S3, if I do not restart bluetooth.service, my (Sony) bt headset gets disconnected right away after having its connection established. rather annoying.
2022-01-28 17:36:15	teraflops	iirc there was issues with pipewire and bt devices but there's a new version that fixes that supposedly 
2022-01-28 17:37:01	teraflops	colo: are you using pulseaudio or pipewire?
2022-01-28 17:37:17	colo	teraflops, pulse
2022-01-28 17:37:40	teraflops	oh heh sorry I meant cburgard 
2022-01-28 17:38:14	teraflops	`pactl info`
2022-01-28 17:38:23	cburgard	tefalops: pulseaudio, but seeing how difficult it is, I'm considering to pick up pipewire instead
2022-01-28 17:38:46	cburgard	http://ix.io/3NNf
2022-01-28 17:41:05	teraflops	yeah pulse, did you install a new kernel and forgot to reboot?
2022-01-28 17:41:27	teraflops	it's pretty simple tbh but idk what's going on there
2022-01-28 17:41:45	teraflops	!kernelcheck
2022-01-28 17:41:46	phrik	compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2022-01-28 17:46:47	cburgard	teraflops: I managed :) 
2022-01-28 17:46:47	cburgard	for the record: I deleted the bluetooth device again in the gui, removed all known devices from the list of devices of my headphones using the smartphone app, and then initiated the pairing via the smartphone app rather than the on-device button.
2022-01-28 17:46:47	cburgard	no idea why this makes a difference, but I'm happy
2022-01-28 17:47:36	teraflops	oh, nice, maybe the headset was already paired with the phone
2022-01-28 17:48:45	teraflops	if your headsetsupport other codes than SBC I'd suggest you to take a look at pulseaudio-modules-bt-git package
2022-01-28 17:48:56	teraflops	headset supports^
2022-01-28 17:54:14	aminvakil	i just got this error on sudo pacman -Syu:
2022-01-28 17:54:15	aminvakil	Couldn't write '1' to 'vm/unprivileged_userfaultfd', ignoring: No such file or directory
2022-01-28 17:54:34	aminvakil	i'm not sure what package update caused this and should i be concerned or not?
2022-01-28 17:56:52	aminvakil	these were the packages: http://ix.io/3NNi
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2022-01-28 18:35:53	DF32	angvp You probably used some school / work acc, unless they changed something now. I can login in a Mac laptop tho, but I kinda need it on my desktop
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2022-01-28 18:36:47	angvp	DF32: pretty sure I used my personal account
2022-01-28 18:36:51	angvp	let me try to open t
2022-01-28 18:37:28	Foxboron	Oh look. One of the deserters!
2022-01-28 18:37:31	thrice	I'm kind of confused as to why pipewire-x11-bell needs to exist
2022-01-28 18:37:37	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-01-28 18:37:42	thrice	it's 15.0kb, and no reverse deps
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2022-01-28 18:37:50	thrice	what's the point in making pipewire so complicated?
2022-01-28 18:38:11	thrice	9 package splits???
2022-01-28 18:39:50	⚡ 	Earnestly hmm
2022-01-28 18:40:29	thrice	sorry for !enter, my brain is slow today
2022-01-28 18:42:34	angvp	Foxboron: do you said the deserters thing for me? I never left Arch 100% :)
2022-01-28 18:43:59	Foxboron	angvp: I'm just joking<3
2022-01-28 18:44:07	Foxboron	but yes, i did :p
2022-01-28 18:45:16	greyltc	am I correct in my understanding of makepkg's docs that `--rmdeps` removes all of a package's dependencies after the build?
2022-01-28 18:46:06	angvp	Foxboron: hahah np, sometimes when I have to use a mac for work I feel like a deserter lol
2022-01-28 18:46:27	Namarrgon	greyltc: only the ones that it installed with --syncdeps
2022-01-28 18:46:32	greyltc	all of makedepends, depends, checkdepends and optdepends are removed?
2022-01-28 18:46:47	Namarrgon	yes
2022-01-28 18:47:46	greyltc	ok, thanks!
2022-01-28 18:48:53	greyltc	I'm trying to find an elegant way of removing make & check deps after a build and install
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2022-01-28 19:06:12	ℹ 	gauge_ es conocido ahora como gauge
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2022-01-28 19:25:24	orangeFlu	mpan: it seems screenshots are a no go
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2022-01-28 19:29:22	orangeFlu	mpan: https://imgur.com/a/zK9U3Yd
2022-01-28 19:29:24	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2022-01-28 19:29:25	orangeFlu	did it after all
2022-01-28 19:29:54	mpan	orangeFlu: may I ask for the direct link to the image?
2022-01-28 19:30:10	Namarrgon	https://i.imgur.com/89qTK0M.png
2022-01-28 19:30:15	rcf	mpan: https://i.imgur.com/89qTK0M.png
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2022-01-28 19:30:44	mpan	orangeFlu: locale issues?
2022-01-28 19:30:57	orangeFlu	i regenerated the locale and checked locale.gen and .conf
2022-01-28 19:31:33	mpan	what is the value of the LANG environment variable inside that terminal?
2022-01-28 19:31:36	Earnestly	orangeFlu: localedef --list-archive
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2022-01-28 19:31:53	Earnestly	First point to check, always.  Never see anyone else asking this
2022-01-28 19:32:06	orangeFlu	mpan: doesnt have a value apparently
2022-01-28 19:32:37	orangeFlu	Earnestly: de_DE.utf8
2022-01-28 19:32:37	orangeFlu	en_US.utf8
2022-01-28 19:32:38	orangeFlu	ro_RO.utf8
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2022-01-28 19:32:40	thrice	do you have an /etc/locale.conf ?
2022-01-28 19:32:44	orangeFlu	ah, sorry for the multiline
2022-01-28 19:32:47	mpan	orangeFlu: what’s the content of your /etc/locale.conf?
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2022-01-28 19:32:53	orangeFlu	thrice: yes
2022-01-28 19:33:07	orangeFlu	LANG=en_US.UTF-8
2022-01-28 19:33:51	mpan	Anything in your xorg or DE configuration files that overrides the LANG variable? Any DE-specific tools to “configure language” has been used?
2022-01-28 19:33:56	orangeFlu	i had the exact same configs under x11 and it all worked fine
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2022-01-28 19:34:10	Namarrgon	which de are you using?
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2022-01-28 19:34:12	orangeFlu	mpan: xorg?
2022-01-28 19:34:15	orangeFlu	sway
2022-01-28 19:34:36	orangeFlu	i simply copied over my i3 config and there everything was fine
2022-01-28 19:34:45	Namarrgon	log in on the next VT and see what "locale" returns there
2022-01-28 19:34:52	mpan	The issue seems like your locale not being configured properly, terminal not knowing it receives UTF-8. And the lack of LANG variable confirms that. Now the question: why.
2022-01-28 19:35:21	orangeFlu	Namarrgon: what is VT?
2022-01-28 19:35:42	Namarrgon	Virtual Terminal, the linux text console
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2022-01-28 19:40:26	tusko	Is there a list anywhere of utilities that are adviseable to download to a fresh arch install? Sort of a don't know what I don't have situation here.
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2022-01-28 19:40:43	tusko	Something like desktop environment, obviously, seems purely optional.
2022-01-28 19:40:52	orangeFlu	ok, computer didnt wanna go back 
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2022-01-28 19:40:59	orangeFlu	i had to restart
2022-01-28 19:41:24	orangeFlu	LANG was still empty on anothe tty
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2022-01-28 19:41:32	orangeFlu	and it is stil empty now
2022-01-28 19:41:32	Namarrgon	post the output
2022-01-28 19:41:36	Namarrgon	to a paste service
2022-01-28 19:41:39	mpan	!paste
2022-01-28 19:41:40	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-01-28 19:41:50	orangeFlu	the output of what? an empty environment variable?
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2022-01-28 19:41:55	Namarrgon	"locale"
2022-01-28 19:42:27	babyface	do you know of any minimalistic arch-based distro without a DE or a WM?
2022-01-28 19:42:43	Namarrgon	we don't support any other distros, try #linux
2022-01-28 19:42:53	mpan	babyface: Arch Linux is one that fits your description.
2022-01-28 19:43:03	teraflops	you are describing a clean archlinux installation
2022-01-28 19:43:20	mpan	babyface: and, as noted above, it’s also the only one supported here.
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2022-01-28 19:44:37	babyface	Ok let me put it this way. Is there version of Archlinux with an installer?
2022-01-28 19:44:48	mpan	babyface: yes, Arch Linux.
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2022-01-28 19:45:13	Namarrgon	it doesn't really make arch more "user friendly", though, if that was your aim
2022-01-28 19:45:36	babyface	but it would speed up the instalation
2022-01-28 19:45:52	Namarrgon	that depends
2022-01-28 19:46:20	Namarrgon	does the installer offer what you need? can it achieve whatit promises? how much clean up will you have to do afterwards?
2022-01-28 19:46:26	orangeFlu	so.. awkward, my doas broke...
2022-01-28 19:46:48	orangeFlu	i will come back with the locale output when i fix this
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2022-01-28 19:46:59	Namarrgon	you don't need doas to run "locale"
2022-01-28 19:47:03	orangeFlu	i know
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2022-01-28 19:47:45	orangeFlu	https://paste.rs/v1H
2022-01-28 19:47:56	Namarrgon	post your /etc/locale.conf
2022-01-28 19:48:25	orangeFlu	LANG=en_US.UTF-8
2022-01-28 19:48:51	Namarrgon	is the locale output from a VT?
2022-01-28 19:49:32	orangeFlu	if i have to get it from a vt, i will need to reboot computer
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2022-01-28 19:49:43	Namarrgon	why? just switch to hte nex free vt
2022-01-28 19:49:57	orangeFlu	it doesnt want to come back to the gui
2022-01-28 19:50:02	orangeFlu	everything jsut freezes
2022-01-28 19:50:08	Namarrgon	how are you switching?
2022-01-28 19:50:17	orangeFlu	Ctrl + Alt + F3
2022-01-28 19:50:21	orangeFlu	and then F2 for the gui
2022-01-28 19:50:25	Namarrgon	drop the ctrl
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2022-01-28 19:50:40	orangeFlu	Doesnt do anything without Ctrl
2022-01-28 19:50:44	Namarrgon	the shortcuts are different on X11/wayland and the VT
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2022-01-28 19:50:57	orangeFlu	ok then
2022-01-28 19:51:03	orangeFlu	let me try one more time
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2022-01-28 19:51:12	Hydragyrum	it still works with the ctrl on vts ime
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2022-01-28 19:52:02	orangeFlu	oh, it worked
2022-01-28 19:52:06	orangeFlu	ok then
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2022-01-28 19:53:06	orangeFlu	https://paste.rs/WuI
2022-01-28 19:53:19	orangeFlu	its the same it seems
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2022-01-28 19:56:46	Namarrgon	which shell are you using?
2022-01-28 19:56:51	orangeFlu	zsh
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2022-01-28 19:57:03	Namarrgon	and this is arch?
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2022-01-28 19:57:06	orangeFlu	yes
2022-01-28 19:57:29	Namarrgon	does root also use zsh as the login shell?
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2022-01-28 19:57:37	orangeFlu	no
2022-01-28 19:57:40	beastDivision	I've heard a lot of people talk negatively about ubuntu's heavy use of snaps. what are the issues with snaps? what don't people like about them? I thought that they were supposed to solve a lot of issues like dependencies and ease of installation etc?
2022-01-28 19:57:50	Namarrgon	orangeFlu: login as root instead and compare the output
2022-01-28 19:57:53	orangeFlu	do you want /etc/passwd?
2022-01-28 19:57:59	Namarrgon	nah, it's fine
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2022-01-28 19:58:08	orangeFlu	in VT?
2022-01-28 19:58:11	Namarrgon	yep
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2022-01-28 19:59:58	orangeFlu	instead of POSIX, everything is en_US.UTF-8, including LANG
2022-01-28 20:00:16	Namarrgon	then it's most likely your zsh config that breaks the locale env-vars
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2022-01-28 20:00:50	Namarrgon	see if it either unsets them or resets them
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2022-01-28 20:01:36	orangeFlu	nothing in .zshrc
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2022-01-28 20:01:58	orangeFlu	could be oh-my-zsh?
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2022-01-28 20:02:08	Namarrgon	absolutely
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2022-01-28 20:02:27	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Zsh#Startup/Shutdown_files
2022-01-28 20:02:29	phrik	Title: Zsh - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-01-28 20:04:04	orangeFlu	nope
2022-01-28 20:04:13	orangeFlu	no mention of LANG anywhere
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2022-01-28 20:04:35	orangeFlu	i will be right back, i need to fix my doas
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2022-01-28 20:05:11	MrElendig	beastDivision: good idea, bad implementation, which is why ubuntu is currently doing a rewrite of it
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2022-01-28 20:06:03	orangeFlu	so i checked all the files that zsh sources
2022-01-28 20:06:06	orangeFlu	and yet..
2022-01-28 20:06:39	beastDivision	MrElendig: got it, so like what are some of the bad implementation effects / results ? 
2022-01-28 20:06:52	orangeFlu	can you give me that link one more time? i will go through them again
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2022-01-28 20:07:39	hiya	archinstall isn't working for me, it always breaks in the end with my default setup, gnome desktop
2022-01-28 20:07:45	hiya	Should I try a different country repo?
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2022-01-28 20:08:42	MrElendig	beastDivision: slow as heck, messy handling of configs/persistent data, a load of bugs etc
2022-01-28 20:09:58	brjl	beastDivision: Solving the dependency problem with "lets statically link everything" isn't a very good solution.
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2022-01-28 20:10:36	brjl	That is an extremelly simplified explanation on snap's shortcomings, but it gets the gist.
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2022-01-28 20:11:05	MrElendig	not having a common runtime is sort of sucky
2022-01-28 20:11:23	demonicmaniac1	forgetting the biggest issue of it being the google playstore
2022-01-28 20:11:29	MrElendig	they are not changing that in the rewrite though...
2022-01-28 20:11:30	demonicmaniac1	with 1000000k malware in the "official" snap store
2022-01-28 20:11:55	brjl	MrElendig: Particularly I don't even think it is a good idea.
2022-01-28 20:12:03	brjl	Let alone a half-decent implementation
2022-01-28 20:12:57	orangeFlu	Namarrgon: any ideas?
2022-01-28 20:13:13	orangeFlu	can i just export LANG with the right value in my .zshrc?
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2022-01-28 20:13:23	orangeFlu	it doesnt solve the source problem
2022-01-28 20:13:31	orangeFlu	but i will take it over nothing
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2022-01-28 20:16:07	MrElendig	grep LANG /etc ?
2022-01-28 20:16:09	MrElendig	-R
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2022-01-28 20:17:08	novns	I've got 37.7°C finally
2022-01-28 20:17:14	novns	and a headache
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2022-01-28 20:18:08	andril	o/ all
2022-01-28 20:18:17	novns	everyone around has been ill with covid
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2022-01-28 20:18:22	novns	except me
2022-01-28 20:18:23	jelle	novns: this is offtopic
2022-01-28 20:18:28	jelle	and you know it is
2022-01-28 20:18:29	Momentum	please upgrade your cooling system novns
2022-01-28 20:19:02	novns	jelle, I have no special place for offtopics :)
2022-01-28 20:19:27	jelle	novns: there are a millions of channels on libera
2022-01-28 20:19:44	Namarrgon	novns: sabotaging a different channel won't help your appeal
2022-01-28 20:20:04	novns	Namarrgon, there's no any no appeal
2022-01-28 20:20:20	novns	just some little offtopic
2022-01-28 20:20:25	novns	bye
2022-01-28 20:20:29	Namarrgon	it's hard to defend your case when you pull stuff like this
2022-01-28 20:20:45	novns	I don't defend anything
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2022-01-28 21:33:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-01-28 21:33:01	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1441 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1441 normals)
2022-01-28 21:33:01	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-01-28 21:34:27	bionade24	Hi, since ~2 weeks systemd-resolved fails to resolve domains frequently, sometimes they work at least on the second try. My resolved.conf isn't anything special, but here it is anyways: http://ix.io/3NOd
2022-01-28 21:34:36	bionade24	Anyone an idea what could be the problem?
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2022-01-28 21:36:02	rassawyer	 owo
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2022-01-28 21:36:52	TheDcoder	bionade24: cat: resolved.conf: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
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2022-01-28 21:37:40	xecuter	huhu, if i just chill 0_o on desktop the screensaver is going on, but NOT if i watched a flixnet vidz, after it is ends. than the screensaver no reacting. why? i want if NO play vid == monitor can sleeps :-/
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2022-01-28 21:38:20	bionade24	TheDcoder: Sorry here it is: http://ix.io/3NOg
2022-01-28 21:39:01	bionade24	xecuter: Which screensaver? Which WM/DE?
2022-01-28 21:39:24	xecuter	ääääääääääähm öööhmm i am using kde plasma.... :)
2022-01-28 21:39:31	teraflops	wth
2022-01-28 21:40:04	TheDcoder	bionade24: Did you check the journal to see if it is reporting any errors?
2022-01-28 21:40:07	BrainDamage	sorry, this is the arch channel, you can only end your sentences in btw
2022-01-28 21:40:19	bionade24	TheDcoder: No messages at all after successfull startup
2022-01-28 21:40:24	BrainDamage	( or being )
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2022-01-28 21:40:46	bionade24	TheDcoder: Changing the DNS resolver for eth0 from my local one to 1.1.1.1 doesn't help either.
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2022-01-28 21:40:54	xecuter	installed is cinnamon-screensaver and  plasma5-applets-caffeine-plus
2022-01-28 21:41:10	bionade24	xecuter: So you're not using kscreensaver?
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2022-01-28 21:41:22	xecuter	no that is not installed
2022-01-28 21:41:23	TheDcoder	bionade24: Have you tried it on a different network?
2022-01-28 21:41:27	teraflops	caffeine prevents screensaver to run
2022-01-28 21:41:46	xecuter	kscreensaver is not available
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2022-01-28 21:44:22	bionade24	xecuter: kscreensaver isn't a standalone pkg I guess. When you're playing video, does opening the battery tab in your taskbar show something like "energy save settings disabled due to video playback."? And does this persists after closing the video?
2022-01-28 21:45:08	bionade24	TheDcoder: Same problem with wlan0, but I can't try an actual diffrent network as I'm constantly @ Home due to this pandemic
2022-01-28 21:45:17	chazy	in the bugtracker, do i just include the package name at the beginning of the summary like "[electron13]" or do i have to do something else like tag it with the pkg name or something?
2022-01-28 21:45:48	bionade24	TheDcoder: Additionally, all other devices I have resolve just fine.
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2022-01-28 21:45:57	Namarrgon	chazy: find the package in the package search and click on the "add new bug" link, it will prefill the form for you
2022-01-28 21:46:07	chazy	oh ok
2022-01-28 21:46:27	bionade24	TheDcoder: Something maybe important: I'm one of the few people who built connman with systemd-resolved backend and use that.
2022-01-28 21:46:28	xecuter	monitor is set dark in 5mins. and monitor energy shutdown in 10min. <- that work on idle on desktop, but not if firefox is open with fl0xn3tz
2022-01-28 21:46:34	TheDcoder	bionade24: Okay, just trying to rule out the obvious, seems like your issue is non-trivial
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2022-01-28 21:47:23	TheDcoder	bionade24: That sounds like a very important detail. You might want to try asking in the dedicated systemd or connman communities
2022-01-28 21:47:30	bionade24	TheDcoder: Thx, sadly the most issues I can't solve myself are non-trivial. Guess I have to try connman with any dns backend disabled and see.
2022-01-28 21:47:40	xecuter	do you mean special setting: mediaplayer in standby activation <- off?
2022-01-28 21:47:40	bionade24	TheDcoder: Ok I'll further ask in #systemd
2022-01-28 21:47:49	TheDcoder	bionade24: Best of luck
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2022-01-28 21:48:10	bionade24	xecuter: I mean when you click on the batt icon in the taskbar while playing video
2022-01-28 21:50:16	xecuter	there it is not activated
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2022-01-28 21:50:52	hiya	Error I get when I try to install arch using archinstall. Pacstrap failed 
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2022-01-28 21:51:13	hiya	HTTPS://termbin.com/ha4k
2022-01-28 21:51:55	Namarrgon	hiya: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring first, then try again
2022-01-28 21:52:06	thrice	yeah, old ISO perhaps?
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2022-01-28 21:52:25	Namarrgon	alex19EP broke it
2022-01-28 21:52:34	jelle	:(
2022-01-28 21:52:41	hiya	Latest 2022 iso 
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2022-01-28 21:53:00	hiya	Ok I try but this happens in the end when gnome finally installs 
2022-01-28 21:53:21	Namarrgon	nothing was installed at that point yet
2022-01-28 21:53:41	hiya	But downloaded it all 
2022-01-28 21:53:43	thrice	yeah, you're up to: packages are downloaded, but not yet installed
2022-01-28 21:53:46	bionade24	xecuter: You're on a desktop?
2022-01-28 21:54:18	Namarrgon	run the installer again and it won't have to redownload anything if you don'T format the filesystems
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2022-01-28 21:56:00	xecuter	yes, i am using arch linux with GUI
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2022-01-28 22:00:54	bionade24	xecuter: I meant you're not on a Laptop, so you have no battery, so the battery icon is probably hidden under the  tray icon expander (this triangle)
2022-01-28 22:00:57	hiya	Namarrgon: I am using fde so how can I skip those steps? 
2022-01-28 22:01:12	xecuter	bionade24: yes it is. 
2022-01-28 22:01:32	xecuter	hidden, because i do not on a notebook
2022-01-28 22:01:37	bionade24	xecuter: Ok, now check for the thing I described
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2022-01-28 22:02:14	Namarrgon	hiya: i don't know how to do it with the installer (or if it's even possible). in the worst case ditch the installer, unlock and mount your filesystems to /mnt and follow the regular installation guide.
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2022-01-28 22:02:39	xecuter	it is not activated
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2022-01-28 22:02:54	hiya	I will just reboot .. try your command and retry 
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2022-01-28 22:08:50	bionade24	xecuter: When you play video or when you're not playing. Do you have the plasma plugin installed in your browser?
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2022-01-28 22:12:17	HS-157	Huhu
2022-01-28 22:12:20	HS-157	Are there condition of use for gitlab.archlinux.org ? Can I use for my personal projects and the shared runners ?
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2022-01-28 22:13:57	jkwnki	sometimes when i open my lid my system does not wake up. screen stays black. i need to hit a key to get the screen on. noticed that a cuple of times the last time. that wasnt like that before.
2022-01-28 22:14:06	xecuter	bionade24: nope, is not installed
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2022-01-28 22:14:24	bionade24	xecuter: Try that
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2022-01-28 22:15:32	jelle	HS-157: yes, there are terms and conditions https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/terms-of-service/
2022-01-28 22:15:33	phrik	Title: Terms of Service | Arch Linux Terms (at terms.archlinux.org)
2022-01-28 22:15:54	jelle	HS-157: in general it is to be used for Arch Linux not your own projects
2022-01-28 22:16:01	jelle	github exists for personal projects ;-)
2022-01-28 22:16:04	jelle	or gitlab.com ;-)
2022-01-28 22:16:24	HS-157	jelle: Thanks for the link, I will go read it
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2022-01-28 22:16:43	xecuter	bionade24: "plasma-integration"?
2022-01-28 22:16:48	bionade24	xecuter: Yes
2022-01-28 22:17:12	xecuter	i see in repo, it is installed
2022-01-28 22:17:53	xecuter	i add it in firefox now from firefox addon search
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2022-01-28 22:18:04	HS-157	jelle: Ok, thanks for informations.
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2022-01-28 22:18:41	bionade24	TheDcoder: It's this issue: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/17745
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2022-01-28 22:20:57	TheDcoder	bionade24: nice, you found the issue!
2022-01-28 22:21:31	bionade24	TheDcoder: Sad to know it's more than a year old and now fixed though :(
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2022-01-28 22:23:50	TheDcoder	bionade24, Oh, was your build up to date with the fix?
2022-01-28 22:24:45	bionade24	There is no fix available IIRC
2022-01-28 22:24:50	bionade24	TheDcoder: ^
2022-01-28 22:25:16	TheDcoder	But you said "now fixed"?
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2022-01-28 22:25:56	TheDcoder	Anyway, sorry, I just skimmed through the issue so I don't know the specifics. I don't use systemd's resolver myself
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2022-01-28 22:29:30	bionade24	TheDcoder: the "resolve" label mean not "resolved" but that's a bug in systemd-resolved and not a different part of systemd
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2022-01-28 22:30:31	bionade24	TheDcoder: Sadly systemd-resolved is the only resolver which fullfills modern requirements that isn't a full DNS server itself. Other option would be configuring dnsmasq
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2022-01-28 22:31:11	TheDcoder	I see, to be honest I don't really know a lot about the DNS resolver, I just use the one provided by NetworkManager
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2022-01-28 22:31:42	TheDcoder	good luck with finding a suitable resolver though, perhaps that issue could be fixed in the future
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2022-01-28 22:32:00	hiya	Namarrgon: thanks man
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2022-01-28 22:34:11	bionade24	TheDcoder: I'll just not using 1.1.1.1 anymore, simple as that. But I'll miss its speed :(
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2022-01-28 22:35:09	TheDcoder	bionade24: Bad luck...
2022-01-28 22:35:09	bionade24	TheDcoder: currently testing how fast using the unbound running on one of my servers via wireguard would be.
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2022-01-28 22:35:57	bionade24	TheDcoder: Even with Google DNS, any connection faster than 100Mbit/s is bottlenecked by DNS response time.
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2022-01-28 22:37:20	TheDcoder	Indeed, best of luck with your local DNS server :)
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2022-01-28 22:44:07	cutgah	Hi guys, I have microphone issues, `arecord --format=S16_LE -c 2 -Dhw:1 test.wav` gives me noise like i'm on a stormy sea. Have had this problem for ages, its a lot better in windows. Sound samples and amixer output here. Any ideas? :/ https://cloud.orbcoding.com/s/r3sxkzNrR7eFrkE 
2022-01-28 22:44:09	phrik	Title: Nextcloud (at cloud.orbcoding.com)
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2022-01-28 22:44:35	bionade24	cutgah: Tried pipewire?
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2022-01-28 22:45:52	bionade24	cutgah: Also the gain on your Windows record is way too high, too
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2022-01-28 23:24:36	kulak	how do I get man pages on ArchLinux?
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2022-01-28 23:25:17	mpan	kulak: each package delivers their own. If you mean the general man pages: the core/man-pages package.
2022-01-28 23:25:25	thurstylark	kulak: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Man_page#Installation
2022-01-28 23:25:27	phrik	Title: man page - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-28 23:25:54	kulak	Thanks
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2022-01-28 23:37:18	⚡ 	leonarth good night everyone
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2022-01-29 09:59:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-29 09:40:35	Gagis	well that was funny. boot to X failed because last night I had run update when newly compiled nvidia drivers were out but before the new version of kernel was available on the nearest mirror. did not know that was possible
2022-01-29 09:41:55	rienske	i guess you don't use the dkms version?
2022-01-29 09:42:19	Gagis	that'd be correct
2022-01-29 09:42:31	espresso	ooh! i'll mind that funny little distinction
2022-01-29 09:42:33	rienske	and that's why you should use the dkms version.
2022-01-29 09:42:52	espresso	(one can have pacman hook as well)
2022-01-29 09:43:07	rienske	(one can also just not buy nvidia)
2022-01-29 09:43:13	Gagis	yep. a minor funny inconvenience in this case, but still, yes
2022-01-29 09:59:30	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-29 10:15:46	ℹ 	benpro3 es conocido ahora como benpro
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2022-01-29 11:51:17	ℹ 	xoan4 es conocido ahora como xoan
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2022-01-29 11:53:54	Zetta1Reid0	I have a question about Hibernation.My system poweroffs but my led is still blinking when i hibernate it.I seen this fix: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate#System_does_not_power_off_when_hibernating but when i do it the only diff is the led is not blinking anymore.Is this fix viable for me ? couse there could be some bios feature when it is powered off via
2022-01-29 11:53:54	Zetta1Reid0	hibernation to still blink the led.Using a HP Compaq 6
2022-01-29 11:53:56	phrik	Title: Power management/Suspend and hibernate - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-29 11:53:56	Zetta1Reid0	005 Pro sff.
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2022-01-29 12:20:07	solsTiCe	hi. bluetooth is broken here. I can connect some device, but get no sound
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2022-01-29 12:24:15	Zetta1Reid0	solsTiCe you using pipewire/pulse/alsa ?
2022-01-29 12:24:35	solsTiCe	pulse and pipewire maba, I don't know
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2022-01-29 12:25:19	solsTiCe	I never configure or installed pipewire but it's running
2022-01-29 12:25:23	Zetta1Reid0	Does pavucontrol show your device as output device ?
2022-01-29 12:25:43	solsTiCe	yes
2022-01-29 12:25:50	Zetta1Reid0	Is it set to default ?
2022-01-29 12:26:31	solsTiCe	yes
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2022-01-29 12:29:41	Zetta1Reid0	Try changing the audio profile from pavucontrol.
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2022-01-29 12:32:16	solsTiCe	bluetoothd is spitting out something like "bluetoothd[20677]: profiles/audio/avctp.c:avctp_connect_browsing_cb() Browsing: connect to 78:44:XXXXXXXXx: Connection refused (111)"
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2022-01-29 12:39:48	solsTiCe	ok. I got it working. oh my
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2022-01-29 12:39:48	thrice	!next
2022-01-29 12:39:48	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2022-01-29 12:39:48	Zetta1Reid0	solsTiCe might sharing how you fix it ?
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2022-01-29 12:39:48	solsTiCe	I am not sure. I played with settings randomly in pavucontrol. At one time, I noticed audacious was output on internal speakers instead on bluetooth speaker.
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2022-01-29 12:39:48	solsTiCe	so may be the default output was right, but my  media player was outputing on antoher. no sure. bluetooth core-dump in the process again
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2022-01-29 13:03:03	Zetta1Reid0	SolsTiCe: Yeah maybe the application didn't autoswitch to new output.Do you have pulseaudio switch on connect module enabled? See : https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#Sound_does_not_automatically_switch_to_Bluetooth_headphoneshttps://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#No_sound_after_connecting_to_Bluetooth_device 
2022-01-29 13:03:04	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-29 13:03:26	Zetta1Reid0	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#Sound_does_not_automatically_switch_to_Bluetooth_headphones *
2022-01-29 13:03:27	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-01-29 13:57:14	solsTiCe	Zetta1Reid0: ok. thanks; I need to study the wiki more ;-)
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2022-01-29 14:56:21	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-01-29 14:56:21	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1427 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1427 normals)
2022-01-29 14:06:27	malc	Kernel package 5.16.3.arch1-1 fails to boot on this NUC8 machine, first (out of 218 kernel upgrades to do so) i was, eventually, able to downgrade and am now wondering if there's "officially sanctioned" way to have "fallback" kernels initramfs' as the experience wasn't  either pleasant or easy
2022-01-29 14:11:54	Scimmia	install the -lts kernel as well
2022-01-29 14:28:59	tallywood	Whenever I run a program using my Intel GPU, the programs freezes a ton and doesn't refresh unless I change the window size. If I don't have xf86-video-intel installed, I don't have this problem. Also running "chromium --disable-gpu" fixes it for chromium.
2022-01-29 14:30:28	tallywood	I tried looking at the wiki for some troubleshooting, but I couldn't find anything that really matched my situation.
2022-01-29 14:30:28	Scimmia	so don't install xf86-video-intel
2022-01-29 14:31:04	tallywood	But I want the drivers.
2022-01-29 14:31:11	alad	tallywood: it's already part of xorg
2022-01-29 14:31:12	alad	modesetting
2022-01-29 14:31:24	alad	has graphics acceleration and the like
2022-01-29 14:31:33	Scimmia	yeah, the modesetting driver/ddx is often better
2022-01-29 14:31:43	tallywood	Ah, is there any configuration I need to get it to use the modesetting driver?
2022-01-29 14:31:48	Scimmia	nope
2022-01-29 14:32:00	tallywood	Okay, thanks for the help!
2022-01-29 14:56:21	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-29 15:00:31	teraflops	after cloning a system with rsync I get error: duplicated database entry for zstd and protobuf when pacman -Syu http://ix.io/3NRN  what can it be?
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2022-01-29 15:01:09	teraflops	do I have to edit pacman db by hand to remove the duplicate entries?
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2022-01-29 15:03:14	Scimmia	teraflops: I would guess that's from the local database, not the sync database. All you would have to do is delete the old dir in /usr/lib/pacman/local/
2022-01-29 15:03:31	teraflops	yeah that was it, duplicated dirs, thanks
2022-01-29 15:03:32	Scimmia	er, /var/lib...
2022-01-29 15:03:45	teraflops	after moving the duplicates all is ok
2022-01-29 15:04:06	teraflops	thanks!
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2022-01-29 15:04:13	Scimmia	np
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2022-01-29 15:14:03	pro	I never installed arch to an nvme disk, are there any hidden details I should know about?
2022-01-29 15:14:14	NetSysFire	not really
2022-01-29 15:14:46	NetSysFire	just make sure that your bios is set to see the disk in ahci mode, not raid mode because the latter is some proprietary intel stuff which means your disk becomes invisible to the kernel
2022-01-29 15:15:14	aminvakil	pro: it's  definitely worth taking a look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Solid_state_drive/NVMe
2022-01-29 15:15:15	phrik	Title: Solid state drive/NVMe - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-29 15:15:15	NetSysFire	this raid mode hasnt anything to do with raids as in redundancy and suff
2022-01-29 15:17:23	pro	ok, checking it out rn
2022-01-29 15:18:27	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-01-29 15:18:36	pro	SATA Mode is on AHCI (other available option is RAID as you said)
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2022-01-29 15:22:50	MrElendig	pro: might want to check if its configured for 512 or 4k
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2022-01-29 15:27:26	colo	pro, *actual* NVMe will be exposed via PCI Express, not SATA. both variants of mass storage might share the same physical connector(s), though. boards can support both, whilst storage modules are either the one or the other.
2022-01-29 15:28:19	pro	yup I'm noticing NVMe is separate entry from SATA and SATA M.2 in bios
2022-01-29 15:28:48	pro	and when I booted archiso, it was /dev/nvme and not /dev/sda as I used to see when working with older ssd's
2022-01-29 15:28:54	colo	as MrElendig says, some NVMe storage can have its namespaces (~ low-level partitions-of-sorts) configured to use different native block formats. it should yield a small performance benefit to use 4K instead of 512 byte sectors, if tour adapter exposes/allows for configuration of that
2022-01-29 15:29:50	colo	yeah, you will have at least one namespace on that NVMe device then (/dev/nvme0n1), that you will want to partition. check out the `nvme` cli util to change namespace formats.
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2022-01-29 15:30:47	colo	(vendor-specific tools like the data center ssd tool stuff from Intel also can do that on supported models, but the protocol to initiate the change is open, so `nvme` should be enough)
2022-01-29 15:31:08	MrElendig	pro: nvme id-ns -H /dev/nvmewhatever
2022-01-29 15:31:40	MrElendig	nvme supports most of the intel extensions
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2022-01-29 15:32:16	jbg	i'm having a problem installing grub to a loopback device, hoping someone can shed some light on the error
2022-01-29 15:32:35	jbg	i use losetup to set up a loop device, and then use sfdisk to partition it and then kpartx to set up /dev/mapper entries for the partitions
2022-01-29 15:33:26	jbg	after pacstrap, i chroot in and then try to run grub-install
2022-01-29 15:33:37	MrElendig	not gpt?
2022-01-29 15:33:37	jbg	it fails with: grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path of `/dev/mapper/loop2p2'.
2022-01-29 15:33:45	jbg	it is gpt, with a bios compat partition
2022-01-29 15:34:05	MrElendig	consider using sgdisk then
2022-01-29 15:34:26	jbg	ok
2022-01-29 15:34:36	jbg	what do you think sfdisk is doing wrong? the partitions scan and mount fine
2022-01-29 15:34:57	pro	nvme id-ns -H /dev/nvme0n1 spits LBA Format - : Metadata Size: 0 bytes - Data Size: 512 bytes - Relative Performance: 0 Best (in use)
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2022-01-29 15:36:25	MrElendig	pro: so no 4k support
2022-01-29 15:36:29	MrElendig	if that was the only line
2022-01-29 15:36:43	pro	is that a bad thing ?
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2022-01-29 15:36:54	jbg	i suspect it's because there is /dev/mapper/loop2p2 but no /dev/loop2p2, so there is no 'canonical path' for /dev/mapper/loop2p2 other than that path itself
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2022-01-29 15:38:54	jbg	i tried to use losetup --partscan (which would create the /dev/loop2p2) but it doesn't find the partitions while kpartx does
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2022-01-29 15:40:44	colo	pro, no, you don't have to worry about it
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2022-01-29 15:41:02	colo	ftr, on my module, it looks like this:
2022-01-29 15:41:04	colo	$ sudo nvme id-ns -H /dev/nvme0n1 | grep ^LBA
2022-01-29 15:41:04	colo	LBA Format  0 : Metadata Size: 0   bytes - Data Size: 512 bytes - Relative Performance: 0x2 Good 
2022-01-29 15:41:04	colo	LBA Format  1 : Metadata Size: 0   bytes - Data Size: 4096 bytes - Relative Performance: 0x1 Better (in use)
2022-01-29 15:41:27	pro	yeah, I definitely only have 512 bytes
2022-01-29 15:41:35	mpan	jbg: see /dev/disk/by-* hierarchy.
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2022-01-29 15:42:03	MrElendig	pro: that is quite normal
2022-01-29 15:42:07	pro	now for some reason previous os created 4 namespaces, all of which are safe to delete I assume?
2022-01-29 15:42:09	colo	it's been my impression that newer NVMe modules tend to expose fewer "power user" features than earlier models.
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2022-01-29 15:42:26	colo	pro, if you do not need the data on them any more - sure.
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2022-01-29 15:42:56	colo	I only ever used 1 ns with GPT partitions on NVME, even for enterprise modules and workloads
2022-01-29 15:42:56	mpan	The canonical path will probably be “/dev/dm-N”, but I suppose programs should determine that.
2022-01-29 15:42:57	jbg	mpan: ah, is that where grub-install is looking for its "canonical path"?
2022-01-29 15:43:10	pro	what is the difference between creating and attaching a namespace?
2022-01-29 15:43:17	colo	(even the option to create more than 1 ns is reserved for modules supporting that)
2022-01-29 15:43:23	mpan	No, it’s just another way of addressing devices. But if it for some reason fails with /dev/mapper entries, perhaps this path will work.
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2022-01-29 15:43:45	jbg	ah right, i could mount the rootfs using that path instead and maybe grub can work it out then
2022-01-29 15:43:47	colo	pro, "attaching" it effectively means to make it accessible as a block device for the host
2022-01-29 15:43:55	jbg	i'm not explicitly passing any /dev/mapper/* to grub, but i guess it gets it from the mount
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2022-01-29 15:44:49	pro	so first detach, delete, create and attach?
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2022-01-29 15:45:05	pro	I'm only creating 1, as you say (it makes a sense to have only one)
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2022-01-29 15:56:09	pro	one sec, I may have mixed partitions with namespaces :/
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2022-01-29 15:57:45	pro	so /dev/nvme0 is my disk, /dev/nvme0n1 is my only namespace, and /dev/nvme0n1p1 ... /dev/nvme0n1p4 are my partitions
2022-01-29 15:57:58	jbg	yup
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2022-01-29 16:00:49	pro	and I do everything with /dev/nvme0n1 as I did with /dev/sdx before? The 'n1' identifier is static (same) for all other nvme disks?
2022-01-29 16:01:30	jbg	it's the first namespace on all nvme disks
2022-01-29 16:01:59	jbg	and yeah, it's the device you e.g. pass to fdisk to partition
2022-01-29 16:02:21	pro	makes sense, sweet.. so there is some new things to learn about nvmes
2022-01-29 16:02:47	jbg	mpan: weird, kpartx -a /dev/loop2 creates /dev/mapper/loop2p2, then i mkfs.ext4 on that, but then lsblk --noheadings --raw --output UUID /dev/mapper/loop2p2 returns nothing
2022-01-29 16:02:55	jbg	just no output
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2022-01-29 16:03:57	jbg	that might actually be what was upsetting grub to start with; since i was using that command to build the /etc/fstab inside the chroot before chrooting in
2022-01-29 16:05:44	pro	ok, so now that I deleted old partitions, is this ok in 2022 https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#LVM_on_LUKS (I installed this setup many times, but a few years ago)
2022-01-29 16:05:46	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Encrypting an entire system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-01-29 16:12:35	jenkins	broadcom-wl-dkms doesn't seem to work on the latest kernel, is there some news that I'm supposed to be aware of?
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2022-01-29 16:20:45	jenkins	in the pacman log I getL ERROR: Missing 5.14.7-arch1-1 kernel headers for module broadcom-wl/6.30.223.271.
2022-01-29 16:22:39	teraflops	jenkins: it doesnt look like the latest kernel
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2022-01-29 16:23:04	teraflops	5.16.3-arch1-1 is the latest one
2022-01-29 16:23:12	jenkins	yeah I have 5.16.3 now
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2022-01-29 16:25:33	jenkins	teraflops: it gives me that error if I try to reinstall the package
2022-01-29 16:25:51	teraflops	the error above?
2022-01-29 16:25:52	jenkins	kernel headers are also up to date
2022-01-29 16:25:57	jenkins	yes
2022-01-29 16:26:17	teraflops	do you have kernel or headers for 5.14.17 already installed?
2022-01-29 16:26:50	Scimmia	jenkins: you probably have a stray dir in /usr/lib/modules. It shouldn't stop it from building with the current kernel, though
2022-01-29 16:26:55	jenkins	I have the headers that came with the latest update
2022-01-29 16:27:07	jenkins	I don't know about 5.14 or why it complains about that
2022-01-29 16:27:10	jbg	did you reboot after updating the kernel
2022-01-29 16:27:14	jenkins	yes
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2022-01-29 16:27:56	teraflops	take a look at /usr/lib because dkms is trying to build module for that version as suggested above
2022-01-29 16:28:36	jenkins	teraflops: uh what should I look for?
2022-01-29 16:28:58	teraflops	a folder called like that
2022-01-29 16:29:17	teraflops	ls /usr/lib/modules
2022-01-29 16:29:22	Scimmia	but as I said, that wouldn't stop it from building with the current kernel
2022-01-29 16:29:27	Scimmia	so that's not your issue
2022-01-29 16:30:21	jenkins	a 5.14.7-arch1-1 directory exists
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2022-01-29 16:30:29	Scimmia	and what's in it?
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2022-01-29 16:30:52	jenkins	/build/ -> arch, crypto, drivers
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2022-01-29 16:31:31	jenkins	three directories with those names
2022-01-29 16:31:46	jenkins	sorry, I don't know what I'm looking at
2022-01-29 16:32:16	Scimmia	so you built something there and it stuck around because pacman doesn't delete non-empty dirs with unowned files
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2022-01-29 16:32:54	Scimmia	you should be able to just delete that dir, which will get rid of the error you're seeing, but will have no effect on any broadcom-wl issue you're having
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2022-01-29 16:34:41	jenkins	ok no errors now when I install the package
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2022-01-29 16:35:31	jenkins	I'll reboot and see if wifi works now somehow
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2022-01-29 16:36:59	Scimmia	If it does, deleting that dir had nothing to do with it
2022-01-29 16:39:12	jenkins	I need to sort out my netctl stuff from tests I did earlier, just a sec...
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2022-01-29 16:40:14	jenkins	Nope, no wifi...
2022-01-29 16:40:20	jbg	so you have another unrelated issue
2022-01-29 16:40:40	jbg	the error you were seeing wouldn't have been stopping your wifi working, because you weren't using the kernel it was failing to build the driver for anyway
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2022-01-29 16:48:54	jenkins	is this normal? https://u.teknik.io/iCPSG.png
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2022-01-29 16:50:16	jenkins	yeah I think it was like this before 
2022-01-29 16:50:35	Scimmia	The first part is, I don't know about the errors
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2022-01-29 16:58:34	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
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2022-01-29 20:24:56	jonathon	Is there a way to force pacman to use IPv6?
2022-01-29 20:25:14	Earnestly	pacman doesn't decide such things
2022-01-29 20:25:23	Earnestly	Hm
2022-01-29 20:25:43	jonathon	xfercommand and set `-6` for curl maybe
2022-01-29 20:25:44	grawity	jonathon: what's the actual situation you're in
2022-01-29 20:25:58	grawity	generally getaddrinfo already prefers global ipv6 addresses over ipv4 ones
2022-01-29 20:26:00	jonathon	i want to troubleshoot some networking issue by forcing pacman to use ipv6
2022-01-29 20:26:25	jonathon	it kind of looks like some cgnat is interfering with ipv4
2022-01-29 20:27:07	jonathon	i guess using curl would allow the same troubleshooting steps, i can just grab a repo package directly
2022-01-29 20:27:11	grawity	might as well run some `curl -6 $(pacman -Sp texlive-core)` manually then
2022-01-29 20:27:17	jonathon	yup yup
2022-01-29 20:27:21	jonathon	:)
2022-01-29 20:30:20	Earnestly	I was wondering/looking if libcurl exposed such things, but you already found suggestion
2022-01-29 20:30:30	grawity	alright time to break my system by building gnome 42
2022-01-29 20:30:40	jonathon	!doit
2022-01-29 20:30:41	phrik	Dooooooooo eeeeeeeettttttttt
2022-01-29 20:31:00	grawity	and to start searching for another distro that still runs on legacy non-x86-64-v3 CPUs
2022-01-29 20:31:09	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-01-29 20:31:17	jonathon	... Manjaro? XD
2022-01-29 20:31:34	Earnestly	I too will be culled in v3 purge
2022-01-29 20:31:57	grawity	my PC is fine but ugh I don't want to put debian on my servers :(
2022-01-29 20:32:14	Earnestly	I wonder if my xeons support it
2022-01-29 20:32:15	NetSysFire	oh the purge is official now?
2022-01-29 20:32:26	grawity	not yet, people just getting louder about it
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2022-01-29 20:32:41	Earnestly	Does Xeon X5675 support v3?
2022-01-29 20:32:42	jonathon	not quite, there was some discussion, but also it wasn't the RFC that was agreed
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2022-01-29 20:33:49	Earnestly	sse 4.2 apparently
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2022-01-29 20:34:28	demonicmaniac1	it doesn't, v3 requires avx2
2022-01-29 20:34:32	Foxboron	grawity: the RFC explicitly says we don't deprecate non-V3
2022-01-29 20:34:33	Earnestly	Yeah no avx2
2022-01-29 20:34:42	Earnestly	I am the 1/4
2022-01-29 20:34:44	Foxboron	grawity: the fact that people bring it up again is.. well. a partial derail really
2022-01-29 20:34:46	demonicmaniac1	and v4 is completely pointless nowadays because intel scrapped avx512 entirely from the consumer stack
2022-01-29 20:34:57	Earnestly	lol yeah
2022-01-29 20:35:01	demonicmaniac1	so v4 is only 2 generations of consumer cpus or server cpus
2022-01-29 20:35:03	grawity	but seriously I'm trying to think of a good second option besides arch and it's either alpine (ugh) or debian (also ugh)
2022-01-29 20:35:06	jonathon	the discussion about automation is kind of interesting given other derivatives have automated build systems (including the two Arch ports)
2022-01-29 20:35:06	Earnestly	I can't believe they did that
2022-01-29 20:35:31	Foxboron	jonathon: the crux of being an old distro with people going "we have done it like this for 2 decades. It's good enough"
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2022-01-29 20:35:34	demonicmaniac1	they kinda had to for cost and die size reasons and power budget reasons
2022-01-29 20:35:40	NetSysFire	phew, i got avx2
2022-01-29 20:35:53	demonicmaniac1	even without avx512 12th gen touches 250w on the K parts
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2022-01-29 20:36:03	demonicmaniac1	would easily blow past 500w otherwise
2022-01-29 20:36:03	Earnestly	NetSysFire: Now you get 1% improvement and 2% more battery life
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2022-01-29 20:36:24	demonicmaniac1	also there's the issue of having avx512 on p cores but not e cores making scheduling much more complicated
2022-01-29 20:36:31	NetSysFire	Earnestly: :O
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2022-01-29 20:36:49	NetSysFire	i got a weakly i5-8265U
2022-01-29 20:37:04	⚡ 	mongy kisses his x64 potato goodbye.
2022-01-29 20:37:07	Earnestly	demonicmaniac1: I'm quite tidy on these old xeons, they do the work they need to well enough
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2022-01-29 20:37:10	thrice	6300U :(
2022-01-29 20:37:24	grawity	/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 --help |& grep x86-64-.*supported
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2022-01-29 20:37:55	Earnestly	That is helpful
2022-01-29 20:38:10	Earnestly	Tone, all I can do is v2
2022-01-29 20:38:11	thrice	zsh: no matches found: x86-64-.*supported
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2022-01-29 20:38:17	Earnestly	thrice: Need more quotes on *
2022-01-29 20:38:18	NetSysFire	hah
2022-01-29 20:38:36	thrice	:)
2022-01-29 20:39:04	jonathon	Foxboron: i guess it's a case of setting up a PoC, then there's no blocker for a change - or at least it could be used for a subset of less challenging (e.g. non-toolchain or whatever) packages
2022-01-29 20:39:19	jonathon	I guess manual builds do give a sense of control, but it's impossible to maintain a large number of packages. For all its foibles, Launchpad works well enough and means Ubuntu is possible.
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2022-01-29 20:40:02	Earnestly	/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 --help | awk -v RS='' '$3 == "glibc-hwcaps"
2022-01-29 20:40:38	demonicmaniac1	fwiw all atom based celerons/atoms sold today in all low end notebooks and mini pcs still only support sse 4.2 and no avx at all
2022-01-29 20:41:05	demonicmaniac1	so dropping v2 would also mean dropping like 50% of currently sold hardware which would be quite insane
2022-01-29 20:41:20	thrice	yeah, it's a bad idea imo
2022-01-29 20:41:26	thrice	and the implementation is kinda whack
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2022-01-29 20:41:29	Earnestly	demonicmaniac1: Survey says only 1/4 (besides, less joking, they're not going to drop it, just add -v3 repos)
2022-01-29 20:41:53	Earnestly	[core-x86_64-v3]
2022-01-29 20:41:55	demonicmaniac1	Earnestly: survey of arch machines maybe but not of worldwide sales and chromebooks and school netbooks and shit
2022-01-29 20:42:01	Earnestly	demonicmaniac1: yes
2022-01-29 20:42:46	Earnestly	Are those cheap 25MHz logic analyzers decent enough for basic munging about?
2022-01-29 20:42:59	Earnestly	The usb kind with a bunch of jumper pins
2022-01-29 20:43:05	Earnestly	sigrok
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2022-01-29 20:48:13	demize	Whether or not we should do it, that's more or less what's been done in the past as well though.  When Arch was started, a very large percentage of computers would not run it, and when we dropped i686 there were a larger percentage of people reporting to pkgstats running i686 than there are without x86_64-v3 support now.
2022-01-29 20:48:34	teraflops	how do I check whether my fanless mini-pc will be affected? lscpu?
2022-01-29 20:49:24	demize	teraflops: `/usr/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 --help` tells you which hwcaps are supported.
2022-01-29 20:49:32	Earnestly	demize: Yes, question is if slippery slope or sluice gate
2022-01-29 20:49:33	teraflops	thanks
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2022-01-29 20:49:59	demize	Earnestly: It's not really a slippery slope to be slower to drop support for old things though?
2022-01-29 20:50:23	Earnestly	demize: Even sluice gate can be only tiny amount, still equalise over time
2022-01-29 20:50:27	demize	Especially since one of the big things Arch was branded as was being optimized for new microarchitectures.  :)
2022-01-29 20:50:41	teraflops	ouch x86-64-v2 (supported, searched)
2022-01-29 20:50:49	Earnestly	So more about inevitability (to the degree that sensible discussion of 'inevitable' can be)
2022-01-29 20:51:32	Earnestly	demize: Yeah I remember that, along with other aspects.  But oddly it was the least interesting to me, probably because I came just after x86_64 was made official
2022-01-29 20:51:37	demize	How Arch wants to brand itself is certainly a discussion worth having though.  Do we still want to specifically target the latest hardware, or do we now want to have a broader range of support?
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2022-01-29 20:51:50	demize	Well, s/brand/target/
2022-01-29 20:51:59	demonicmaniac1	demize: the main reason is i686 wasn't sold anymore when arch dropped i686 for a long time. x86_64-v2 is still sold today as brand new machines and brand new cpus and a large portion of it
2022-01-29 20:52:01	Earnestly	pre-compiled gentoo wearing fedora hat
2022-01-29 20:52:03	teraflops	hmm I think ill switch to freebsd or openbsd then
2022-01-29 20:52:04	thrice	arm is the future anyway
2022-01-29 20:53:12	Earnestly	It would be interesting nevertheless to see what v3 gains, it would be a shame if all that avx and sse amounted to nothing in real world conditions
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2022-01-29 20:53:59	demonicmaniac1	avx2 with scatter gather is useful in scientific software
2022-01-29 20:54:04	demonicmaniac1	but most of that uses dispatch anyways
2022-01-29 20:54:12	Hello71	x86_64 comes with sse2 already
2022-01-29 20:54:21	Earnestly	I'm sure it is, I'm sure much of these extensions were created for specific insitutional need
2022-01-29 20:54:38	Earnestly	But I wonder sometimes, for weechat, not so much
2022-01-29 20:54:46	demonicmaniac1	ofc not
2022-01-29 20:54:53	Earnestly	Even mpv
2022-01-29 20:54:53	demonicmaniac1	the kernel also doesn't use any of these extensions
2022-01-29 20:54:56	Earnestly	ffmpeg
2022-01-29 20:55:07	demonicmaniac1	ffmpeg can and does in terms of the encoders
2022-01-29 20:55:15	Earnestly	SHA asic/AES extensions clearly useful tho
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2022-01-29 20:55:16	demonicmaniac1	vp9/av1 etc
2022-01-29 20:55:18	Hello71	demonicmaniac1: it does in some places, just need to save and restore registers in most cases
2022-01-29 20:55:30	Earnestly	demonicmaniac1: But see, wouldn't that be better as hardware decode anyway?
2022-01-29 20:55:42	demize	demonicmaniac1: Ultimately it wasn't because they weren't being sold, but because us packagers didn't want to keep spending time on building things for an architecture we don't care about.
2022-01-29 20:55:54	Earnestly	Yes, this is truth
2022-01-29 20:56:02	Hello71	e.g. kernel obviously uses aes which occupies vector regs
2022-01-29 20:56:03	Earnestly	Many/all maintainers no longer had 32bit machines
2022-01-29 20:56:17	Earnestly	Lots of packages, especially glibc and such, were mostly abandoned over time
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2022-01-29 20:56:51	thrice	demize: well, they go hand in hand
2022-01-29 20:57:02	thrice	why would one care about something they don't own, and cannot buy? :)
2022-01-29 20:57:25	Earnestly	pacman may not have nicest UI for switching "repo sets", I'm wondering how people would be expected to do this.  Rename repos in pacman.conf?
2022-01-29 20:57:41	Earnestly	(Might be possible with pacman.conf.d style setup using Include directives in pacman.conf)
2022-01-29 20:58:25	demize	I don't run any x86-64-v2 machines either though, so I myself wouldn't be able to actually test that something doesn't require -v3 as it is.  So I don't really think the situation now is significantly different.
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2022-01-29 20:58:27	grawity	Earnestly: I think there was something about making pacman support multiple architectures
2022-01-29 20:58:30	Earnestly	thrice: More that they didn't, towards the end only a few maintainers still had 32bit machines, kept largely for nostalgia
2022-01-29 20:58:47	grawity	Earnestly: so iirc there were talks of Architecture = x86-64-v4 x86-64, and two repos
2022-01-29 20:59:14	BrainDamage	that would be interesting if arch went multiarch, if the solution is general enough
2022-01-29 20:59:23	BrainDamage	it could be extended to other platforms too
2022-01-29 20:59:30	jonathon	re branding, "latest hardware" made sense in i686 vs x86_64 terms, but not sure it makes as _much_ sense in x86_64 vs x86_64_v3 terms. if it's for performance tuning then -mtune=x86_64_v3 could be a reasonable middle-ground, but i'm not sure whether it would see the same improvements as removing old instructions using -march
2022-01-29 20:59:50	Earnestly	grawity: I was concerned that they might add packages to main repos and greatly increase size of sync download
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2022-01-29 21:00:02	Earnestly	If that approach is used, they would have to
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2022-01-29 21:00:19	demonicmaniac1	i'd again say it's different because v2 vs v4 is "just" avx or no avx. i686 vs amd64 actually was problematic if stuff didn't build or work in 32bit being a completely different arch but just enabling/disabling avx "should" really not be any different
2022-01-29 21:00:23	grawity	Earnestly: eh, I think they increased the size more than that when they added package signatures
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2022-01-29 21:00:51	Earnestly	Ultimately this is double repo size plus that same increase in sigs again
2022-01-29 21:00:56	grawity	which are apparently planned to be removed from repo .db's if they haven't been already, so the .db's will (or did) shrink by a lot
2022-01-29 21:01:17	grawity	as pacman 6 already switched to fetching the separate .sig files in preparation
2022-01-29 21:01:19	Earnestly	Are they going to be queried from wkd directly instead?
2022-01-29 21:01:21	demize	demonicmaniac1: Things shouldn't have made any difference then either, but different codepaths can always have strange bugs, especially if they don't end up being exercised by the people testing them.  :)
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2022-01-29 21:01:30	grawity	wkd doesn't carry signatures, only signing keys
2022-01-29 21:01:31	Earnestly	Ah, separate
2022-01-29 21:01:33	demonicmaniac1	yeah there's never any guarantee ofc
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2022-01-29 21:01:38	Earnestly	Okay that makes more sense
2022-01-29 21:01:43	grawity	the repos have always had separate signatures though
2022-01-29 21:01:53	grawity	e.g. `pacman -U $url` always looked for them
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2022-01-29 21:01:55	Earnestly	Yes, I was confused because my repo has .sig files
2022-01-29 21:02:34	Earnestly	(Well did, until drive started with io errors.  Now it has a new ext4 with badblocks.log heh)
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2022-01-29 21:04:24	Earnestly	(It doesn't store important things anymore, but it's mostly usable 1TB)
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2022-01-29 22:30:01	SponiX	kevr: https://termbin.com/fixgn
2022-01-29 22:30:13	kevr	thurstylark: the wiki pages are not authoritative for the most part, they're all user driven!
2022-01-29 22:30:34	kevr	SponiX: nailed it
2022-01-29 22:30:44	kevr	load the core up, get a stack trace, report bug!
2022-01-29 22:31:02	nij-	kevr yeah fontconfig is very badly designed
2022-01-29 22:31:34	SponiX	kevr: hmm, that would probably require some reading for me. not sure if I'm up to it on a Saturday :)
2022-01-29 22:31:48	kevr	save the core and let me download it somewhere
2022-01-29 22:31:52	kevr	i shall report it
2022-01-29 22:32:18	SponiX	where do you think that "core" landed? I don't see it in my home dir
2022-01-29 22:32:35	⚡ 	SponiX goes to google pipewire-pulse core dump directory
2022-01-29 22:32:46	kevr	/var/lib/systemd/ should be?
2022-01-29 22:32:55	kevr	not sure if it goes there for user services
2022-01-29 22:33:18	kevr	/var/lib/systemd/coredump, that is
2022-01-29 22:34:19	kevr	thurstylark: maybe sddm is getting in the way, i'll try rebooting.
2022-01-29 22:34:31	SponiX	kevr: found it, thanks
2022-01-29 22:35:18	SponiX	kevr: https://sponix.net/downloads
2022-01-29 22:35:19	phrik	Title: Index of /downloads/ (at sponix.net)
2022-01-29 22:35:21	kevr	also, just to clarify: pipewire-pulse *is* working, i see all my devices and can use them properly. it's just that OBS doesn't get sources from pipewire at all, when it should, afaik
2022-01-29 22:35:45	kevr	I'm more trying to do a video recording now, but if I can get pipewire recognized at all, I will consider that a win.
2022-01-29 22:35:46	SponiX	kevr: I haven't started OBS in forever, let me see if mine is working
2022-01-29 22:36:08	kevr	i'm using wayland, it's a bit different than X, heads up
2022-01-29 22:38:01	SponiX	kevr: lol .. I totally forgot about that. But yeah, I can tell it Pulse input or output source, and it list mine okay. Well mostly anyway
2022-01-29 22:39:13	thurstylark	well, the mechanism that obs uses for audio vs screen capture sources is vv different fwiw
2022-01-29 22:39:21	thurstylark	afaik it just uses pulse for audio stuff
2022-01-29 22:39:26	klotzhauer	maybe this is a stupid question, but why is python-pip always outdated?
2022-01-29 22:40:01	alad	kevr: ur face is user-driven
2022-01-29 22:40:11	thurstylark	ooooohhhhhhhhhhhh!
2022-01-29 22:40:17	SponiX	klotzhauer: this answer isn't much better, but I always try to use python packages instead of pip
2022-01-29 22:40:31	SponiX	or to avoid python when possible ;)
2022-01-29 22:41:12	pro	which gpu driver should I install for ryzen 4650g
2022-01-29 22:41:50	kevr	`Jan 29 13:38:45 volcano xdg-desktop-por[1538]: Failed to get application states: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.portal.Error.Failed: Could not get window list`
2022-01-29 22:42:06	jonathon	pro: none, amdgpu is in the kernel
2022-01-29 22:42:36	jonathon	although maybe xf86-video-amdgpu
2022-01-29 22:42:43	kevr	so it just seems like its the video portion, this xdg-desktop-portal, that isn't setup right
2022-01-29 22:43:02	⚡ 	kevr just ran into another problem; runs away into his hole
2022-01-29 22:43:46	kevr	(yeah, the pulse devices are available via Pulseaudio, they work, driven by pipewire)
2022-01-29 22:44:21	kevr	thurstylark: You have obs detecting pipewire screen capture with your setup, yes?
2022-01-29 22:44:25	thurstylark	yup
2022-01-29 22:44:29	kevr	k
2022-01-29 22:45:09	anonfunc[m]	jonathon: I think that's only for non-kms, right?
2022-01-29 22:45:40	klotzhauer	SponiX: i do this already, but sometimes i have to work on a virtualenv and then pip yells that is outdated (seeing this for many years :) )
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2022-01-29 23:02:21	kode54	and any cases I could shove one into that would hold at least 4x 3.5" SATA drives
2022-01-29 23:02:29	MrElendig	a sbc won't be much less
2022-01-29 23:02:33	BrainDamage	Earnestly: just please don't wire a nuclear warhead to your heartbeat
2022-01-29 23:02:35	kode54	I know
2022-01-29 23:02:42	MrElendig	but with much lower performance
2022-01-29 23:02:52	kode54	lower than the C2Q?
2022-01-29 23:03:11	MrElendig	than a comparably priced used x86_64 box
2022-01-29 23:03:39	kode54	this is in the fricking living room, my parents have to listen to this thing 24/7
2022-01-29 23:03:48	Earnestly	BrainDamage: https://blog.cr.yp.to/20220129-plagiarism.html
2022-01-29 23:03:50	phrik	Title: cr.yp.to: 2022.01.29: Plagiarism as a patent amplifier (at blog.cr.yp.to)
2022-01-29 23:04:02	MrElendig	x86_64 doesn't have to be noisy
2022-01-29 23:04:21	kevr	thurstylark: is your user inside of the video group?
2022-01-29 23:04:40	anonfunc[m]	There are passive coolers out there for a reason
2022-01-29 23:04:42	MrElendig	can even run passive at low loads
2022-01-29 23:04:51	thurstylark	kevr: yes, but I can't remember why
2022-01-29 23:04:55	MrElendig	or at basically inaudiable rpm
2022-01-29 23:05:12	kevr	doesn't look like it makes a difference here.
2022-01-29 23:05:16	Earnestly	my x220 with that quite x230 fan is like this
2022-01-29 23:05:20	Earnestly	quiet*
2022-01-29 23:05:23	MrElendig	a 120mm fan on a tower cooler running at 300rpm isn't going to be audiable
2022-01-29 23:05:31	Earnestly	Can't remember FRU number or brand of fan now
2022-01-29 23:05:44	kode54	it's currently got a passively cooled 480W PSU
2022-01-29 23:05:54	kode54	but 120mm fans on intake and outlet
2022-01-29 23:06:12	kode54	and a Zalman round thing on the CPU
2022-01-29 23:06:18	Earnestly	MrElendig: got optiplex micro 7040 which has a hdd producing more noise than fan
2022-01-29 23:06:21	kode54	I'd have to look up the model number
2022-01-29 23:06:54	MrElendig	protip: never buy anything zalman 
2022-01-29 23:07:01	anonfunc[m]	You need to run 120mm fans on quite a high percentage before you can really hear them
2022-01-29 23:07:31	anonfunc[m]	At least if they are any good
2022-01-29 23:07:35	kode54	I really want to get out of the intel ecosystem anyway
2022-01-29 23:07:46	kode54	I already use an aarch64 desktop as my primary machine
2022-01-29 23:07:48	MrElendig	kode54: fun fact: intel are the value propesition now
2022-01-29 23:07:56	MrElendig	(vs amd)
2022-01-29 23:07:56	anonfunc[m]	My home server runs a 3000G
2022-01-29 23:08:03	kode54	I didn't mean intel vs amd
2022-01-29 23:08:06	kode54	I meant intel vs arm
2022-01-29 23:08:29	kode54	I know alder lake is a nice processor
2022-01-29 23:08:31	MrElendig	arm is generally not cost effective on anything that isn't mobile
2022-01-29 23:08:42	MrElendig	sadly
2022-01-29 23:08:43	Earnestly	archlinuxarm's website is handy because its support provides sortable table with specs
2022-01-29 23:08:46	kode54	oops too bad I'm running an M1 here
2022-01-29 23:09:12	kode54	can't wait until other vendors produce something competitive to it
2022-01-29 23:09:20	MrElendig	kode54: which is only usable with macos, and starts at 1200usd
2022-01-29 23:09:30	kode54	actually I got this for 900 usd plus tax
2022-01-29 23:09:45	kode54	and macos is my preferred user facing desktop at the moment
2022-01-29 23:09:50	kode54	I do like Linux, though
2022-01-29 23:09:59	kode54	I run arch on two machines
2022-01-29 23:10:08	kode54	and ubuntu on a colocated rental server
2022-01-29 23:10:28	kode54	I'm probably not gonna do anything just yet
2022-01-29 23:17:28	kevr	thurstylark: I think I see the problem.
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2022-01-29 23:37:00	MrElendig	pro: generally a good idea to enable the fstrim service
2022-01-29 23:37:11	pro	ok thanks
2022-01-29 23:39:59	pro	it should be as simple as enabling fstrim.service right?
2022-01-29 23:40:08	pro	nothing else needed?
2022-01-29 23:40:24	MrElendig	enable the timer
2022-01-29 23:42:19	kevr	thurstylark: my XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP value is somehow set to i3, this is probably the issue
2022-01-29 23:42:29	kevr	i must have left some shit around when i migrated to sway.
2022-01-29 23:42:31	thurstylark	that could be an issue
2022-01-29 23:42:42	pro	ok just the timer, also I forgot to mention I have LVM on LUKS (which is ok I suppose) ?
2022-01-29 23:43:31	thurstylark	I don't have XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP set in my env afaict. idk if that's set in the systemd --user env 
2022-01-29 23:45:01	thurstylark	yeah, not set in that env either
2022-01-29 23:45:56	kevr	thurstylark: can you help me out with a paste of your `printenv | grep XDG`?
2022-01-29 23:46:07	kevr	from any standard te running in sway
2022-01-29 23:46:26	thurstylark	kevr: https://paste.xinu.at/9h6Tb/
2022-01-29 23:46:31	phrik	Title: printenv | grep XDG (at paste.xinu.at)
2022-01-29 23:46:56	kevr	damn, i somehow have a lot more.
2022-01-29 23:50:25	kevr	oh wow, that decklink dep completely changes how OBS displays stuff
2022-01-29 23:50:42	thurstylark	huh, really?
2022-01-29 23:51:18	kevr	BAM
2022-01-29 23:51:44	thurstylark	I would think that it would only really disable a couple menu options and sources if it didn't have the decklink stuff available
2022-01-29 23:52:32	kevr	i really dont know much of fuckall about this, it was probably something else.
2022-01-29 23:52:58	kevr	INTERESTING
2022-01-29 23:52:59	kevr	so
2022-01-29 23:53:20	thurstylark	oh god the wayland mode is sooooo much better
2022-01-29 23:53:24	kevr	if i start obs for wayland in a TE/shell, it doesn't get the pipewire sources. if i start it now via wofi straight out of sway, it _gets_ them!
2022-01-29 23:53:55	thurstylark	interesting... are you setting env vars in your shell rc possibly?
2022-01-29 23:53:57	kevr	the visual pipewire sources, that is.
2022-01-29 23:54:01	kevr	the audio sources always work.
2022-01-29 23:54:32	kevr	thurstylark: must be, i'm not sure why they wouldn't just derive from sway otherwise
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2022-01-30 00:36:07	kevr	hmm, i seem to have an issue setting hotkeys though.
2022-01-30 00:38:19	ZLima12	A bit late to this, but what can I read to understand the new linux-firmware-whence package?
2022-01-30 00:39:31	Namarrgon	ZLima12: pacman -Ql linux-firmware-whence
2022-01-30 00:39:51	ZLima12	yeah, just did that and I see the file. It's just about licensing? Was that file previously in linux-firmware?
2022-01-30 00:39:58	kevr	perhaps its just a wayland thing, obs-studio-git's works
2022-01-30 00:41:40	demize	ZLima12: Yes.  Yes.
2022-01-30 00:42:10	ZLima12	demize: thanks
2022-01-30 00:42:39	Namarrgon	ZLima12: it should have been named -license imho but the pkgdesc was already fixed up to indicate what it is
2022-01-30 00:43:29	ZLima12	Namarrgon: pacman -Qi linux-firmware-whence shows the line "Description: Firmware files for Linux"
2022-01-30 00:43:42	ZLima12	not sure that's descriptive of what it really is
2022-01-30 00:43:48	Namarrgon	yes, there was no release with the fix yet
2022-01-30 00:43:52	ZLima12	ah, got it
2022-01-30 00:44:12	Namarrgon	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commit/ac0b1ef2d0196f7f20cc95a945aa6eeb333bcb16#diff-3e341d2d9c67be01819b25b25d5e53ea3cdf3a38d28846cda85a195eb9b7203a
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2022-01-30 01:09:15	thurstylark	So, I'm troubleshooting short frequent freezes, and I'm getting this pcieport error spammed in my journal: https://paste.xinu.at/m-nYDp/ Am I out of line for thinking these could be related?
2022-01-30 01:09:19	phrik	Title: Multipaste (2 files) - pcieport error (journal excerpt), sudo lspci -vd 8086:a167 (at paste.xinu.at)
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2022-01-30 01:56:35	thurstylark	hmm... adding pcie_aspm=off to my kernel commandline seems to have quelled both the freezes and the log spam. 
2022-01-30 01:57:03	thurstylark	I bet I can turn that off in the bios settings and forego the command line option
2022-01-30 02:00:14	senoraraton	My copy paste is screwed up.  I can copy/paste just fine in firefox, but if I try and move data from firefox to my terminal, it never copies the data properly.
2022-01-30 02:00:26	senoraraton	Its like there are multiple clipboards going on for specific applications or something
2022-01-30 02:01:47	gumbo	anyone here using spectrwm? need some help setting up some stuff. need to set brightness and volume and playback for my multimedia keys. i already set it up in i3 was wondering if its the same in spectrwm
2022-01-30 02:01:52	tiberius	I also get weird issues with Firefox on Wayland occasionally.
2022-01-30 02:06:54	kevr	thurstylark: very nice!
2022-01-30 02:07:24	thurstylark	Yup. disabled all ASPM options in bios, removed the kernel option, and it's shut the fuck up
2022-01-30 02:07:42	⚡ 	thurstylark carves another notch in his keyboard
2022-01-30 02:09:47	thurstylark	now to figure out why greetd is shitting the bed...
2022-01-30 02:23:58	thurstylark	that'll do https://git.sr.ht/~kennylevinsen/wlgreet/commit/8517e578cb64a8fb3bd8f8a438cdbe46f208b87c
2022-01-30 02:24:00	phrik	Title: ~kennylevinsen/wlgreet: Restrict wl_output to version 3 - sourcehut git (at git.sr.ht)
2022-01-30 02:24:36	⚡ 	thurstylark updates greetd-wlgreet-git
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2022-01-30 02:43:22	argento	Thanks everybody!
2022-01-30 02:49:09	thurstylark	TheDcoder: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Upgrade_system_regularly
2022-01-30 02:49:11	phrik	Title: pacman/Package signing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-30 02:49:41	mpan	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_maintenance#Upgrading_the_system
2022-01-30 02:49:42	phrik	Title: System maintenance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-30 02:49:45	mpan	nvm, thurstylark was faster
2022-01-30 02:51:52	TheDcoder	thurstylark: Nice, I suggested that command in this channel a few days ago, I'd like to think someone got inspired by that and added it to the Wiki :P
2022-01-30 02:52:23	gehidore	lies
2022-01-30 02:52:56	thurstylark	yeah, highly doubt it, but you could also dig through the revision history to find out for sure
2022-01-30 02:53:09	TheDcoder	wait... that's not the same place as https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Upgrading_packages
2022-01-30 02:53:10	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-30 02:53:16	TheDcoder	That's where it should be
2022-01-30 02:54:25	thurstylark	the section I linked was found through this section https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#%22Failed_to_commit_transaction_(invalid_or_corrupted_package)%22_error
2022-01-30 02:54:27	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-30 02:54:37	thurstylark	seems like it's already appropriately set up
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2022-01-30 03:23:38	kevr	gotcha.
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2022-01-30 04:15:36	godSend23	hey all
2022-01-30 04:16:07	rienske	o/
2022-01-30 04:16:38	godSend23	ahoy rienske 
2022-01-30 04:16:40	godSend23	wha'ts up
2022-01-30 04:18:55	rienske	4:18 AM, can't sleep, fighting with my eepc, can't get better, right?
2022-01-30 04:19:09	godSend23	i feel u
2022-01-30 04:19:17	godSend23	what's an eepc
2022-01-30 04:19:36	rienske	asus eepc's are netbooks.
2022-01-30 04:20:12	rienske	in my case a 1.6GHz dual-core and 2GB RAM :D
2022-01-30 04:22:19	godSend23	ohhh
2022-01-30 04:22:27	godSend23	why u fighting it?
2022-01-30 04:22:53	rienske	ever tried to make such a machine your daily driver?
2022-01-30 04:23:26	godSend23	touche
2022-01-30 04:24:06	rienske	i have to think about ways how to accomplish the things i want to do in a more minimal way.
2022-01-30 04:24:11	rienske	which is kinda exciting.
2022-01-30 04:26:55	e36freak	oh man i had one a while ago until it shit the bed
2022-01-30 04:27:03	e36freak	used to basically just use it to ssh into the desktop
2022-01-30 04:27:11	e36freak	arch ran on it pretty well
2022-01-30 04:27:53	rienske	i'm used to having a gui for basically everything and now explore how i can replace my gui programs with cli ones.
2022-01-30 04:30:35	godSend23	ooh
2022-01-30 04:30:59	godSend23	can arch rely solely on gui to accomplish everything?
2022-01-30 04:31:45	rienske	i'm talking about using weechat instead of hexchat, i replaced firefox with qutebrowser, learning how to use keepassxc from the cli instead of having the gui. things like that.
2022-01-30 04:33:14	godSend23	oh alright neat
2022-01-30 04:34:09	rienske	i'm comfortable with the cli and even prefer it in some instances, but now the cli usage goes from ~30% to ~90% :D
2022-01-30 04:37:29	Gildric	why are you torturing yourself?
2022-01-30 04:38:00	godSend23	gui all the way
2022-01-30 04:38:01	godSend23	:D
2022-01-30 04:38:20	rienske	first of all it's a great learning experience, and also i somehow feel that gui programs use way too many resources in some cases.
2022-01-30 04:38:22	Gildric	not necessarily, but the right tool for the right job goes a long way
2022-01-30 04:39:17	rienske	a machine like that eepc doesn't work well with everything gui. it would be a shame to not being able to use it.
2022-01-30 04:39:26	labrador	You cannot really have a cli for GIMP for instance
2022-01-30 04:39:29	labrador	or a browser
2022-01-30 04:39:47	labrador	Somethings are better suited to a gui
2022-01-30 04:39:51	Gildric	those eeepcs were basically ewaste when produced
2022-01-30 04:40:02	rienske	labrador: qutebrowser works way better than firefox in the sense of memory footprint and i don't use GIMP at all.
2022-01-30 04:40:31	labrador	rienske, firefox and chromium are the only two full featured browsers in existence
2022-01-30 04:40:47	rienske	yeah and it seems i don't need a full featured browser.
2022-01-30 04:40:47	labrador	And both take a lot of resources to run
2022-01-30 04:41:08	labrador	uh ig good for you
2022-01-30 04:41:19	godSend23	wow
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2022-01-30 05:04:14	gumbo	guys im trying to use xkeybind to f8 microphone mute. when i press xkeybind --key the f8 key says nosymbol. how do i get this to work?
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2022-01-30 05:13:11	dmc	Betal, iirc yes that's the case
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2022-01-30 05:44:36	gehidore	wait is that a dmc in the wild?
2022-01-30 05:44:36	⚡ 	gehidore screenshots
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2022-01-30 07:32:09	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-30 07:53:29	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-30 08:20:09	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-30 09:38:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-30 09:31:10	hiya	What is the headquarter of Arch?
2022-01-30 09:31:15	hiya	If I have send things?
2022-01-30 09:31:45	espresso	https://archlinux.org
2022-01-30 09:31:46	phrik	Title: Arch Linux (at archlinux.org)
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2022-01-30 09:46:36	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-30 09:47:26	espresso	hiya: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/International_communities could be useful in finding someone. maybe also the forum, and someone here may know
2022-01-30 09:47:28	phrik	Title: International communities - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-01-30 09:48:32	hiya	espresso: ok thanks
2022-01-30 09:48:33	espresso	(from https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Getting_involved )
2022-01-30 09:48:35	phrik	Title: Getting involved - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-01-30 11:00:28	arojas	The-Compiler: any idea how to get full debug symbols for webengine while keeping -O2 
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2022-01-30 11:00:45	arojas	currently I only get QtWebEngine symbols, but not chromium ones
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2022-01-30 11:05:30	The-Compiler	arojas: no Chromium symbols at all, or only none for stuff like V8?
2022-01-30 11:06:01	The-Compiler	arojas: because I think V8 symbols are disabled by default even if debugging is enabled, because they add some gigabytes or something of symbols
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2022-01-30 11:06:59	arojas	The-Compiler: not sure, but I noticed that the debug package is just ~200MB vs the few GB I get when using CONFIG+=debug
2022-01-30 11:07:22	arojas	this being due to no chromium symbols is pure assumption
2022-01-30 11:08:17	The-Compiler	arojas: hm yeah that sounds too small
2022-01-30 11:09:29	arojas	yeah so what I want is a way to enable full chromium debug without adding CONFIG+=debug, which would lose optimization
2022-01-30 11:09:42	arojas	I'll investigate what other distros do
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2022-01-30 11:14:29	The-Compiler	arojas: for Qt 5 I found this: https://github.com/qt/qtwebengine/blob/dev/src/core/configure.json#L202-L211 - but I think that's just the "huge stuff disabled by default" part
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2022-01-30 11:15:01	The-Compiler	arojas: but the "condition" like looks interesting, it sounds like you might want features.debug_and_release or features.force_debug_info
2022-01-30 11:15:07	The-Compiler	s/like/line/
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2022-01-30 11:16:50	The-Compiler	oh wait that's actually Qt 6, so it seems to be the same for both
2022-01-30 11:18:30	The-Compiler	though I can't find the place where it's actually passed to Chromium's build stuff in Qt 6, in Qt 5 it seems to be here: https://github.com/qt/qtwebengine/blob/v5.15.8-lts/src/buildtools/config/common.pri#L73-L96
2022-01-30 11:18:35	arojas	hmm "label": "Compile libs in debug and release mode" <- don't think this is what I want
2022-01-30 11:18:46	arojas	but force_debug_info sounds right
2022-01-30 11:18:50	The-Compiler	yeah
2022-01-30 11:18:59	The-Compiler	but I have no idea honestly, so far I've always built a full developer build
2022-01-30 11:19:29	The-Compiler	which is so slow you can't use it for day-to-day usage, so I love the work y'all (mostly Foxboron and you?) are doing
2022-01-30 11:20:22	arojas	I'm just rebuilding packages, it's mostly Foxboron you have to thank
2022-01-30 11:20:49	The-Compiler	you're maintaining Qt packages, I know how much work that alone is :D
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2022-01-30 11:24:28	The-Compiler	so yeah, I suppose CONFIG+="force_debug_info" (for Qt 5, haven't looked at the Qt 6 cmake stuff much yet), and if you feel generous and have the RAM and such, perhaps "webcore_debug v8base_debug" too
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2022-01-30 11:26:02	The-Compiler	btw, I hope to finally pick up Qt 6 support for qutebrowser in February/March
2022-01-30 11:26:27	The-Compiler	personally I'm already running a quick-and-dirty Qt 6 branch for a few weeks
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2022-01-30 11:33:58	arojas	I'm hoping Qt6 with "just work" with cmake
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2022-01-30 11:34:29	arojas	But I need to finish Qt5 first so I can go on with KDE packages and make KDE devs happy
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2022-01-30 11:40:28	Foxboron	:)
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2022-01-30 12:05:36	hiya	When I am doing web search I see boxes with numbers in it instead of fonts
2022-01-30 12:05:42	hiya	for some of the text
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2022-01-30 12:19:24	lambda	debug packages, hell yeah!
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2022-01-30 12:19:54	Foxboron	YES
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2022-01-30 12:19:56	Foxboron	ITS GREAT
2022-01-30 12:19:58	Foxboron	SO GREAT
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2022-01-30 12:20:27	sheep	are we getting official debug packages now?
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2022-01-30 12:21:05	Foxboron	sheep: I announced it 10 minutes ago. Yes
2022-01-30 12:21:11	Foxboron	https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2022-January/030670.html
2022-01-30 12:21:12	phrik	Title: [arch-dev-public] Debug packages for Arch Linux (at lists.archlinux.org)
2022-01-30 12:21:12	Foxboron	Hype train
2022-01-30 12:21:53	mon_aaraj	oh, nice! great job 
2022-01-30 12:22:32	Foxboron	I take donations. Mostly in beer, hugs and kind words
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2022-01-30 15:29:29	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-01-30 15:29:29	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1411 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1411 normals)
2022-01-30 15:00:31	bnchs__	why is Alexander Epaneshnikov's PGP signature not trusted (when updating libspeechd)
2022-01-30 15:01:00	thrice	pacman -Q archlinux-keyring ?
2022-01-30 15:01:33	bnchs__	20211028-1
2022-01-30 15:01:44	Scimmia	bnchs__: new installation?
2022-01-30 15:01:51	thrice	bnchs__: so pretty old.  Try updating just that first
2022-01-30 15:01:54	bnchs__	no it's a year old
2022-01-30 15:02:15	Scimmia	nm, thrice has it
2022-01-30 15:29:29	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-30 16:23:38	Tom^	dknight: h4rd3n3D kde quite a lot of pending patches waiting for 5.24 might be worth trying out the [kde-unstable] repo and see if that helps with wayland.
2022-01-30 16:24:10	Tom^	imo kde isnt ready for wayland, yet. but the coming year it seems they are focusing their attention towards it, so soon. :p
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2022-01-30 16:24:56	mefistofeles	Tom^: they have been doing that for a while now, but yeah, it's hard work
2022-01-30 16:25:26	mefistofeles	wayland was developed pretty separately from plasma, not the same for gnome
2022-01-30 16:26:10	Tom^	mefistofeles: sadly there are a few qt bugs aswell that are fixed in qt6 and i dont think kde will get qt6 in a while :/
2022-01-30 16:26:43	mefistofeles	hmm yeah, qt is also left out the freedesktop boys club
2022-01-30 16:26:43	mefistofeles	:P
2022-01-30 16:27:17	Tom^	but yeah kde wayland runs at the moment, but its rough around the edges. so wait another year imo :P
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2022-01-30 16:28:23	mefistofeles	Tom^: last time I tried all I got was a black screen of death haha
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2022-01-30 16:28:45	mefistofeles	Tom^: anything specific that's not working now?
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2022-01-30 16:30:20	Tom^	ive hit a few apps that segfaults when ran on wayland. some inconsistent behaviour in qt/gtk theming. application not focusing properly when clicking around. context menus appearing somewhat wonky. scaling gives you blurry fonts and certain settings in system settings doesnt have a proper wayland implentation yet, etc etc.
2022-01-30 16:30:27	Tom^	so the various minor things here and there :P
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2022-01-30 16:30:44	Tom^	some are qt faults some are kwin.
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2022-01-30 16:31:39	Tom^	then there is this list https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland_Showstoppers
2022-01-30 16:33:03	Tom^	or this list https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?component=wayland-generic&product=kwin&resolution=--- :P
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2022-01-30 16:49:16	Tom^	they did have this 15 minute bughunt last uh thursday? i think. some live event over some chatting forum. trying to both fix and report all the issues that occurs in the first "15 minutes" that is visible from installing and using kde
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2022-01-30 16:49:37	Tom^	so yeah i expect kde might get better soonish
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2022-01-30 16:50:07	mefistofeles	why is that we want wayland again? xd
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2022-01-30 17:00:10	a6a45081-2b83	Hi, I am unable to boot arch after an update, it says "failed to mount /boot/efi" and "you are in emergency mode...". Moreover keyboard is also not working suprisingly :(
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2022-01-30 17:02:04	Namarrgon	which bootloader are you using?
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2022-01-30 17:03:26	a6a45081-2b83	refind
2022-01-30 17:04:29	Namarrgon	does the keyboard work in the fallback initramfs?
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2022-01-30 17:11:07	a6a45081-2b83	no it doesn't
2022-01-30 17:11:37	Namarrgon	do you have any other kernel installed?
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2022-01-30 17:12:25	erikh	anyone seeing pgp validation issues in libunistring re: base/base-devel package repos?
2022-01-30 17:12:37	Foxboron	erikh: pacman -Q archlinux-keyring
2022-01-30 17:12:47	erikh	ah thanks, I'm working off the installer iso here
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2022-01-30 17:13:11	erikh	20210820-1
2022-01-30 17:13:22	Foxboron	mmm, that is old
2022-01-30 17:13:26	Foxboron	pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring
2022-01-30 17:13:28	Foxboron	then try again
2022-01-30 17:13:31	erikh	yeah ok, thanks
2022-01-30 17:13:44	erikh	oh I have an old iso here
2022-01-30 17:13:48	erikh	I'll just use a newer iso
2022-01-30 17:13:54	erikh	thanks for the help!
2022-01-30 17:14:14	thrice	that's a little overkill, fwiw, updating the keyring package should get you going
2022-01-30 17:14:31	a6a45081-2b83	I have `initframfs-linux-fallback.img`, `initramfs-linux.img` and `vmlinuz-linux`
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2022-01-30 17:15:08	erikh	yeah, but I already have the iso; this is a fresh vm
2022-01-30 17:15:22	erikh	might as well.
2022-01-30 17:15:50	erikh	this version of archinstall seems to have some issue repartitioning disks anyway
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2022-01-30 17:17:00	Namarrgon	a6a45081-2b83: uname -r && pacman -Q linux
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2022-01-30 17:20:01	a6a45081-2b83	5.14.15-arch1-1 and linux 5.16.3.arch1-1
2022-01-30 17:20:09	erikh	yeah that seems to have fixed things :D thanks again for the help.
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2022-01-30 17:24:32	Namarrgon	a6a45081-2b83: do you have a separate /boot fs as well?
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2022-01-30 17:28:05	a6a45081-2b83	it's a separate partition, yes
2022-01-30 17:28:40	Namarrgon	why do you have a separate /boot and then an additional ESP?
2022-01-30 17:29:03	Namarrgon	downgrade to the "uname -r" kernel, make sure /boot is mounted and then upgrade the kernel as well
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2022-01-30 17:36:45	blacked	Hello :$
2022-01-30 17:36:59	blacked	@haohmaru :$
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2022-01-30 17:38:37	blacked	Is instantWM available in AUR ? I see there are none.
2022-01-30 17:39:00	wisdomlight	any suggestion for irc client for ios??
2022-01-30 17:39:14	wisdomlight	to use with libera
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2022-01-30 17:39:48	mingdao	Terminus to ssh into something running irssi in tmux.
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2022-01-30 17:40:42	wisdomlight	so from ios to a server with rissi ?
2022-01-30 17:40:47	mingdao	Yes
2022-01-30 17:40:48	wisdomlight	with irssi
2022-01-30 17:41:01	wisdomlight	what need for the tmux?
2022-01-30 17:41:20	mingdao	To ssh in and join the session from anywhere / multiple clients.
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2022-01-30 17:41:38	wisdomlight	thanks
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2022-01-30 17:42:03	mingdao	Leaving irssi running and channels joined always.  If you don't want to stay joined, just install Terminus on the phone and ssh into a computer where you can launch irssi.
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2022-01-30 17:42:32	mingdao	https://libera.chat/guides/clients has some suggestions.
2022-01-30 17:42:33	phrik	Title: Choosing an IRC client | Libera Chat (at libera.chat)
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2022-01-30 17:44:06	teraflops	wisdomlight: I really like igloo
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2022-01-30 17:45:09	teraflops	I use it to connect to a weechat relay instance, youcan use it standalone as well
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2022-01-30 17:49:07	a6a45081-2b83	Namarrgon: cool, I downgraded to 5.14.15 and back to 5.16.3 after mounting boot partition.
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2022-01-30 18:35:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-01-30 18:35:33	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1421 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1421 normals)
2022-01-30 18:35:33	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-30 19:06:12	ℹ 	tonitch_ es conocido ahora como tonitch
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2022-01-30 19:42:57	maxzor	Hello, is cmake GNUInstallDirs fine for on arch? I am having discussions on ROCm installation layout for Debian https://lists.debian.org/debian-ai/2022/01/msg00103.html . Here bindir defaults to /usr/lib/<arch triple> e.g. /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ Has arch such multiarch details? Is there usrmerge in arch?
2022-01-30 19:42:57	phrik	Title: Re: CMake musings for ROCm 4.5.2 (Was Re: ROCm packaging session memo) (at lists.debian.org)
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2022-01-30 19:46:32	teraflops	maxzor: /bin and /sbin are symlinks to /usr/bin
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2022-01-30 19:48:31	Foxboron	arojas: You have cmake opinions!
2022-01-30 19:49:13	maxzor	if you know the arch AUR packagers for ROCm they are welcome to chime in and get their concerns taken into account
2022-01-30 19:50:13	teraflops	maxzor: http://ix.io/3O3W
2022-01-30 19:50:56	maxzor	so you do have usrmerge, fine, thanks
2022-01-30 19:51:24	Foxboron	maxzor: We actually follow through on our stuff, in contrast to debian which gets stuck in this... uh.. middle ground often
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2022-01-30 19:56:26	Earnestly	maxzor: gnuinstalldirs is good stuff
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2022-01-30 19:56:53	Earnestly	use it
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2022-01-30 20:14:56	parakovsky	guys hello merry christmas
2022-01-30 20:15:07	parakovsky	is it possible that build in sound card cannot have a line in interface
2022-01-30 20:15:21	parakovsky	both my laptops only have mics as ports in pulseaudio
2022-01-30 20:15:29	parakovsky	so i don't understand how to make it work
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2022-01-30 20:25:19	teraflops	you want to turn the headphones output into an line in? I don't think that can be done
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2022-01-30 20:30:01	newuser	hey, how do I use socks 5 proxy on chromium? I'm connected to the proxy using ssh. I tried running `chromium --proxy-server="localhost:1080"` but, it isn't working
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2022-01-30 20:30:43	hombrelaser	I'm having some issues with icons on mate desktop, has anyone experienced something similar?
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2022-01-30 20:32:00	BrainDamage	newuser: ssh is not a real socks5 proxy, it only supports tcp
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2022-01-30 20:32:06	BrainDamage	and chrome has its own dns resolver
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2022-01-30 20:35:16	jmariondev	just switched to systemd-boot, can agree with the-compiler the configuration is far more simple
2022-01-30 20:35:53	Foxboron	jmariondev: It can even be simpler
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2022-01-30 20:37:29	BrainDamage	tbh, grub config is also pretty simple https://0x0.st/oHen.cfg that's a fully graphical grub
2022-01-30 20:37:37	BrainDamage	just don't use the automatic generator
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2022-01-30 20:37:57	Earnestly	BrainDamage: What does --class do for you?
2022-01-30 20:38:08	parakovsky	teraflops: yep, you think it ain't possible or you know how i can check for sure? 
2022-01-30 20:38:10	Earnestly	Oh
2022-01-30 20:38:17	Earnestly	BrainDamage: You literally have a comment explaining it, that's nice
2022-01-30 20:38:58	BrainDamage	yeah, I document all options that I don't find very intuitive, I know it's arbitrary, but so far works for me
2022-01-30 20:39:13	Foxboron	BrainDamage: this is terribly complicated
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2022-01-30 20:39:32	Earnestly	Though would argue that sd-boot still "simple" because while grub.cfg can be short and plain, it is running essentially grub implementation of sh
2022-01-30 20:40:01	Earnestly	sd-boot complication mostly comes from many separate files
2022-01-30 20:40:08	Foxboron	mkinitcpio -p linux -- --uefi /efi/EFI/Linux/arch-systemd.efi
2022-01-30 20:40:17	Foxboron	then rm your loader config and any entries
2022-01-30 20:40:23	Foxboron	0 configuration sd-boot installation
2022-01-30 20:40:40	Earnestly	Not very clever to introduce de facto layout and claim no configuration
2022-01-30 20:40:55	Foxboron	Earnestly: de facto layout?
2022-01-30 20:40:56	Earnestly	configuration just moved
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2022-01-30 20:41:03	Foxboron	You can point it to anywhere you want
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2022-01-30 20:41:31	Earnestly	configuration become implicit
2022-01-30 20:41:36	BrainDamage	he's arguing that you still have the config, it's just a default one autosourced
2022-01-30 20:41:38	teraflops	mkinitcpio -p linux -- --uefi /efi/EFI/Linux/arch-systemd.efi vs grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
2022-01-30 20:41:52	teraflops	I don't get it
2022-01-30 20:41:52	Earnestly	Well not autosourced, part of tool logic directly
2022-01-30 20:42:12	Foxboron	teraflops: one generates a fragile and complicated config. One is litterally just a single file
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2022-01-30 20:42:18	Foxboron	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_kernel_image
2022-01-30 20:42:19	phrik	Title: Unified kernel image - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-30 20:42:34	teraflops	Foxboron: you do not have to touch that cfg file, there's /etc/default/grub
2022-01-30 20:42:46	Foxboron	teraflops: Yes?
2022-01-30 20:42:55	teraflops	im sure you know about that file
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2022-01-30 20:43:15	Foxboron	How is /etc/default/grub not a config file?
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2022-01-30 20:44:08	Earnestly	Does sd-boot allow changing boot flags with that?  I remember doing this with initramfs-less but long ago, before uefi, hm
2022-01-30 20:44:09	teraflops	you claim grub generates a complicated and fragile config, you are talking about a file that is not meant to be edited directly ever
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2022-01-30 20:44:29	Foxboron	Earnestly: Not when booting unified kernel images, sadly.
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2022-01-30 20:44:51	Foxboron	teraflops: Why would you want that?
2022-01-30 20:44:54	Earnestly	Yeah I remember this being limitation back then too because it's baked in
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2022-01-30 20:45:09	Earnestly	Nature of it really
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2022-01-30 20:45:28	teraflops	why not? it's just this nonsensical grub is complicated thing is not true at user's level
2022-01-30 20:45:35	teraflops	at all
2022-01-30 20:45:45	teraflops	well, that's my opinion
2022-01-30 20:46:02	Foxboron	The grass is greener on the other side
2022-01-30 20:46:04	Foxboron	just sayin'
2022-01-30 20:46:11	teraflops	sure
2022-01-30 20:46:15	teraflops	I like green
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2022-01-30 20:47:29	BrainDamage	italian's version is "neighbour's grass/weed is always greener" and people turn it into "my weed's better tho"
2022-01-30 20:47:38	teraflops	heh
2022-01-30 20:48:01	Earnestly	No, grub is complicated, it is whole OS and config is sh script
2022-01-30 20:48:25	teraflops	there's a lot of history behind having a garden in front of the hose full of grass
2022-01-30 20:48:28	Earnestly	Like with anything, it can be made easy from user pov
2022-01-30 20:48:41	teraflops	house^
2022-01-30 20:48:47	Foxboron	When you need 200+ patches to ensure things are not sideloaded + have a new verifiecation system because you want grub to run in a secure context.. well
2022-01-30 20:49:28	teraflops	that's another topic, I though we were talking about config files
2022-01-30 20:50:04	Foxboron	I'm a bit beyond that, but half of these issues has been the fact that grub isn't able to parse it's own files correctly
2022-01-30 20:50:11	Foxboron	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-01-30 20:50:16	digital_mystik	anyone else having suspend issues with 5.16.x with amdgpu?
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2022-01-30 20:50:47	teraflops	Foxboron: not my intention to begin a flame it's just I do not get it
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2022-01-30 20:55:34	Foxboron	teraflops: I can't help you if you think grub-mkconfig and /etc/default/grub doesn't meet the definition of "complicated"
2022-01-30 20:55:50	Foxboron	I do recommend reading the script
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2022-01-30 20:56:40	alad	the implementation is complicated, the user having to run 1 command to get most functionality is from their perspective, simple
2022-01-30 20:56:41	hussam	Hello. If I am doing lsof -p `pidof process`, how I can skip 'mem' entries?
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2022-01-30 20:57:01	blackpill0w	hey, I have some issues with wine, the sound is working but the quality isn't good, it's like speakers on very high volume, you can't hear things clearly, do you have any idea why?
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2022-01-30 21:00:18	tirnanog	hussam: ... -a -d ^mem
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2022-01-30 21:01:32	TheDcoder	Hey guys I need help figuring out why colours are not working properly in dvtm (less complex tmux)
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2022-01-30 21:01:45	TheDcoder	The $TERM variable is set correctly
2022-01-30 21:02:10	tirnanog	hussam: "lsof -c process -a -d ^mem" would make more sense all round.
2022-01-30 21:08:40	hussam	tirnanog: Thank you
2022-01-30 21:18:57	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-30 21:29:34	parakovsky	guys is it possible to know for sure is the headphone output support line in funktion or not?
2022-01-30 21:31:32	BrainDamage	read the datasheet of your audio chip
2022-01-30 21:31:59	BrainDamage	and possibly of the motherboard, because the chip might have it and they haven't wired it ...
2022-01-30 21:32:35	BrainDamage	if it's a hda compatible card, you might be lucky with hdajackretask
2022-01-30 21:32:45	parakovsky	it's hda
2022-01-30 21:35:32	parakovsky	are there any other way to transfer sound from android device to a linux laptop on a local network
2022-01-30 21:35:57	parakovsky	android unrooted
2022-01-30 21:36:00	parakovsky	non rooted
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2022-01-30 21:37:30	lambda	last I checked android was very opposed to letting apps capture audio output
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2022-01-30 21:37:41	parakovsky	yeah it is pretty bad at that
2022-01-30 21:37:46	parakovsky	oh wait i have a rooted device as well
2022-01-30 21:37:51	parakovsky	but there should be something in 2022 innit?
2022-01-30 21:38:00	Itaru	parakovsky, Have you checked this out? https://www.linuxuprising.com/2020/06/sndcpy-forwards-audio-from-android-10.html
2022-01-30 21:38:10	parakovsky	thanks man Itaru 
2022-01-30 21:38:19	parakovsky	I read that after i finish this coffee
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2022-01-31 07:01:35	ℹ 	tassee es conocido ahora como tasse
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2022-01-31 07:25:02	ilomiglio	as a newbie, weechat is the next vi
2022-01-31 07:25:28	ilomiglio	can't write text on this buffer, and i'm still searching a way to close it, googling
2022-01-31 07:26:45	ilomiglio	 /quit did the magic
2022-01-31 07:27:20	thurstylark	 /close will do just the buffer, and will /part whatever room it was in
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2022-01-31 07:27:48	thurstylark	if you don't already, the weechat user guide is a good idea to keep handy
2022-01-31 07:28:21	ilomiglio	another day
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2022-01-31 07:50:33	ℹ 	indux1 es conocido ahora como indux
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2022-01-31 08:33:48	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-31 08:18:11	libc	i have dwm run via .xinitrc but changing GDK_SCALE=1 still not taking effect after restarting dwm
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2022-01-31 09:21:35	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-31 09:05:57	Ghosthree3	thurstylark: /close will also /part
2022-01-31 09:14:29	Zetta1Reid0	Hello . I have enabled and configured samba (v 4.15.4-1 )as the wiki says to enable usershares. Sharing a folder works with command line, but when i try to use nautilus share options i get " 'net usershare' returned error 255 ". Anyone know how to fix this ?
2022-01-31 09:21:03	post-factum	i believe you should share your samba config file
2022-01-31 09:21:27	Zetta1Reid0	wait a moment pls
2022-01-31 09:21:29	Zetta1Reid0	!paste
2022-01-31 09:21:30	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-01-31 09:21:37	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-31 09:50:00	Hello_World	Hiya! A few days ago I did something on my Raspberry Pi which makes it no longer show up in "nmap -sP" scans… now I'd like to change it back but forgot what I did. Anyone by chance know what disables/enables it?
2022-01-31 09:51:49	grawity	"The default host discovery done with -sn consists of an ICMP echo request, TCP SYN to port 443, TCP ACK to port 80, and an ICMP timestamp request by default. When executed by an unprivileged user, only SYN packets are sent [...] to ports 80 and 443 on the target."
2022-01-31 09:52:11	grawity	the next step would be to check whether your firewall rules do anything to drop any of those packets
2022-01-31 09:53:13	Hello_World	Got it, thank you very much!
2022-01-31 10:01:35	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-31 10:17:11	Zetta1Reid0	also have you enabled your intel video driver in early kms ?
2022-01-31 10:17:44	damoreno	Zetta1Reid0 no, I haven't (preparing the paste)
2022-01-31 10:18:06	Khorne	KMS is enabled on Intel by default
2022-01-31 10:18:33	Khorne	Early KMS*
2022-01-31 10:20:54	damoreno	Zetta1Reid0 http://ix.io/3O72
2022-01-31 10:21:58	Zetta1Reid0	Khorne: The wiki says KMS is enabled by default.IDK about Early KMS.Doesn't say anything for it enabled.It has instructions on how to enable it so probably not.The unavalability of graphics during boot may be coused by that.
2022-01-31 10:22:42	Khorne	It didn't say anything about graphics being unavailable, it said graphics on external monitors are not available
2022-01-31 10:22:57	Khorne	And the wiki explicitly says: "Kernel mode setting (KMS) is supported by Intel chipsets that use the i915 DRM driver and is mandatory and enabled by default."
2022-01-31 10:23:04	Khorne	mandatory and enabled by default
2022-01-31 10:23:25	damoreno	Zetta1Reid0 I'm pretty sure I've seen it working sometimes. But others (most of the times) doesn't. I can't even see the prompt for luks sometimes
2022-01-31 10:23:45	Khorne	damoreno, does it work if you power on the external displays before powering up the laptop?
2022-01-31 10:24:15	damoreno	Khorne That's what I usually do and it seems to work more consistently
2022-01-31 10:24:37	post-factum	Zetta1Reid0: and you can `touch` some file in `/var/lib/samba/usershares` from cli on behalf of your user?
2022-01-31 10:24:37	Khorne	Sometimes helps here, but I've just decided to replug Thunderbolt after logging in if they mess up, that usually helps
2022-01-31 10:25:15	Khorne	damoreno, other than that I don't think there is a fix really, at least I haven't found one so far :')
2022-01-31 10:26:06	Zetta1Reid0	post-factum: No i can't actually.Strange.
2022-01-31 10:26:16	damoreno	Sure, but this is affecting the post boot too. If I want to go to have lunch and turn off the monitors, once back, I'll get a black screen unless I change the TTY
2022-01-31 10:26:55	Khorne	damoreno, hm that doesn't happen here
2022-01-31 10:27:07	damoreno	I didn't get this behavior on Fedora for example (with Gnome. I use bspwm on Arch)
2022-01-31 10:27:33	Khorne	I assume the laptop also goes to sleep during lunch?
2022-01-31 10:27:33	damoreno	And what is more weird to me is that turning off the DP monitor, I get a blackscreen on my HDMI (forcing me to change TTY)
2022-01-31 10:27:43	damoreno	No, sleep is disabled
2022-01-31 10:29:54	Khorne	Hm, no that works here, turning monitors on and off
2022-01-31 10:30:13	post-factum	Zetta1Reid0: so, check whether it is about permissions for upper level folders
2022-01-31 10:34:17	ds-ac	damoreno: If you are having issues both with your WM and in  TTYs, it should not come from the change Gnome ⇝ bspwm. You said that you had issues to see the luks prompt sometimes. It might be the newer version of the kernel that produces such a bug (I have knowledge of a machine whose boot resolution could not be changed to "max" or it would produce a black screen as well with linux 5.16 of
2022-01-31 10:34:19	ds-ac	January). Is your problem systematic as well or not (as suggested by the luks promt issue) ?
2022-01-31 10:35:31	ds-ac	If the issue is the same (that on the machine whose resolution could not be changed), you might want to consider turning to an LTS kernel
2022-01-31 10:36:19	damoreno	It is. systematic. And I trippled checked again and yes, when I turn off the DP monitor on a TTY (no X) the HDMI goes off
2022-01-31 10:36:23	damoreno	no X*
2022-01-31 10:37:42	damoreno	Also, when running a minimal install of Fedora I had the same boot problem (I don't remember about the monitors issue as I used for a short period only). That's making me think that it could be a missconfiguration...
2022-01-31 10:37:44	Zetta1Reid0	Khorne: So what package provides MKINITCPIO config so the driver can be enabled in Early KMS ?
2022-01-31 10:38:26	grawity	none, add it manually to your mkinitcpio.conf
2022-01-31 10:38:38	grawity	MODULES+=(i915)
2022-01-31 10:38:57	grawity	mkinitcpio already knows how to find dependencies, firmware, etc.
2022-01-31 10:39:20	damoreno	Regarding the KMS thing, I'm not using the intel driver on Xorg. Should I still add that module?
2022-01-31 10:39:38	grawity	yes, because it has nothing to do with Xorg
2022-01-31 10:40:03	damoreno	Do I need any extra package?
2022-01-31 10:40:08	grawity	no
2022-01-31 10:40:36	damoreno	Ok, will do then. Thanks!
2022-01-31 10:40:47	grawity	it's the same kernel module that works as your GPU driver normally – the point is to load it earlier than usual
2022-01-31 10:41:01	grawity	actually, the instructions were for Zetta1Reid0
2022-01-31 10:41:12	damoreno	Yeah sure, but he mentioned before to me
2022-01-31 10:41:55	Zetta1Reid0	grawity: Yep, that is why i asked Kronos. Couse he said that it says in the wiki that it is automatically load in Early KMS
2022-01-31 10:43:02	Zetta1Reid0	Khorne*
2022-01-31 10:51:59	Ghosthree3	why does \vmlinuz-linux not found constantly happen to everyone that installs arch but me and how does it get fixed properly. like the file is there... somehow every time it fixes by magic when tinkering
2022-01-31 10:52:55	Zetta1Reid0	damoreno:I checked your boot file.Nothing wrong with it.Also try this:https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate#Suspend/hibernate_does_not_work,_or_does_not_work_consistently for problems with the resume and :https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Intel_graphics#Blank_screen_during_boot,_when_%22Loading_modules%22 if you are not fond of enableing Early KMS 
2022-01-31 10:52:56	phrik	Title: Power management/Suspend and hibernate - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-31 10:53:03	grawity	yeah because you only think of that last part as "I did a bunch of random things and then magically it works"
2022-01-31 10:53:05	grawity	don't do that
2022-01-31 10:53:17	grawity	do one thing, see if it helped, figure out why it helped
2022-01-31 10:53:54	Ghosthree3	grawity: well by magic i mean like
2022-01-31 10:53:56	Ghosthree3	the file is there
2022-01-31 10:54:13	novns	that bug in gcc that I've found is P1 now
2022-01-31 10:54:17	Ghosthree3	then i tell them to just run the dracut hook or w.e again, run bootctl install again, and it works... even though both of those were ran before
2022-01-31 10:54:24	Ghosthree3	that USUALLY fixes it
2022-01-31 10:54:36	novns	tough I couldn't reported it myself, someone did it for me
2022-01-31 10:54:44	novns	*report
2022-01-31 10:54:49	novns	https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104288
2022-01-31 10:54:52	phrik	Title: 104288 – [11/12 Regression] EVRP null pointer check removal for strcmp (and maybe others) is not flow senative (at gcc.gnu.org)
2022-01-31 10:56:08	novns	*though
2022-01-31 10:56:15	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-01-31 10:56:43	LordRishav	Is there a way of making pacman fetch the PKGBUILD of a package passed as argument instead of the pre-built package from the repository?
2022-01-31 10:57:02	grawity	no, because pacman doesn't deal with PKGBUILDs in any way
2022-01-31 10:57:11	grawity	`asp checkout` or `asp show` would do the thing though
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2022-01-31 10:58:50	grawity	(and I mean literally, PKGBUILDs are not stored in the package repositories, so pacman wouldn't know where to fetch them from – tools like `asp` have to be written specifically for Arch's infrastructure)
2022-01-31 10:59:00	grawity	a bit different from how Debian does it
2022-01-31 11:02:02	LordRishav	grawity: Nice. asp works fine for the purpose. Thanks :)
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2022-01-31 12:36:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-01-31 12:36:33	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1420 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1420 normals)
2022-01-31 12:35:05	J_Darnley	I wonder: Can I disable previews in gtk file pickers (or all file pickers) on remote file systems?
2022-01-31 12:36:33	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-31 12:41:09	hiya	wow KDE connect transfers it super duper fast
2022-01-31 12:41:12	hiya	It is alien like speed
2022-01-31 12:41:21	hiya	100MB file in < 2-3 secs
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2022-01-31 12:44:08	post-factum	Zetta1Reid0: does managing shares via cli work? on behalf of your user, of course
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2022-01-31 12:45:26	SysGhost	hiya: Well.. assuming it's over wifi, it's not that amazing. most emmc storage can do better. I'd guess the bottleneck is the wifi link itself.
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2022-01-31 12:45:54	hiya	SysGhost: ok :) but it is much faster
2022-01-31 12:46:19	Zetta1Reid0	post-factum: yes net usershare add works.Only gui is the problem
2022-01-31 12:46:20	grawity	if that's wifi-over-wifi, then fairly great
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2022-01-31 12:47:19	SysGhost	wifi over wifi? 0o ... what kind of nestling are we doing now?
2022-01-31 12:47:26	grawity	er, well
2022-01-31 12:47:33	grawity	wifi-connected device to wifi-connected device
2022-01-31 12:47:39	SysGhost	ah
2022-01-31 12:48:24	SysGhost	well... wifi 6 capable devices perhaps? (802.11ax)
2022-01-31 12:48:50	hiya	Let me get a ISO from laptop to phone
2022-01-31 12:48:53	hiya	and test
2022-01-31 12:48:56	hiya	4.7G file I have
2022-01-31 12:48:57	⚡ 	SysGhost glares at one old PCMCIA 54 Mbit wifi card.
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2022-01-31 12:49:55	⚡ 	grawity gives SysGhost a shiny 802.11n PCMCIA card
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2022-01-31 12:50:45	SysGhost	fancy pants½!
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2022-01-31 12:51:10	grawity	well technically it's cardbus, but F5D8013 works quite well
2022-01-31 12:51:12	hiya	It is sending @ 16 MB/s only
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2022-01-31 12:51:22	hiya	So, 128 Mbit/s 
2022-01-31 12:51:38	grawity	probably ~160 Mbps if you account for overhead
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2022-01-31 12:51:56	SysGhost	hiya: could be the receiving device is out och cache, so it's flushing
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2022-01-31 12:52:39	hiya	I think my laptop cannot do better than 200 Mbit/s practically
2022-01-31 12:52:45	hiya	phone can do much better
2022-01-31 12:53:54	grawity	very likely it has different capabilities up/down
2022-01-31 12:54:06	grawity	e.g. phone might be able to *receive* 200 Mbps but not transmit, things like that
2022-01-31 12:54:56	SysGhost	routers/ap's have the advantage of utilizing more power for the antennas.
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2022-01-31 12:56:23	hiya	So I got 17.1 MB/s 
2022-01-31 12:56:30	hiya	I transferred 2.5GB file
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2022-01-31 12:56:40	hiya	Over all, I think it is lovely to have this for me
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2022-01-31 12:56:48	onla	thanks grawity 
2022-01-31 12:56:53	hiya	its like LinuxDrop
2022-01-31 12:56:55	hiya	:P
2022-01-31 12:57:07	hiya	GNUDrop
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2022-01-31 13:03:27	Tom^	sidenote isnt pcmcia pretty much bandwidth limited to like 133mb/s or something silly like that. if its a 32bit one.
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2022-01-31 13:04:13	demonicmaniac1	yes it is
2022-01-31 13:04:13	grawity	actual pcmcia was isa, but cardbus yeah 32-bit pci
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2022-01-31 13:04:30	demonicmaniac1	pcmcia is 16 bit synchronous
2022-01-31 13:04:38	grawity	I *think* I got 100 Mbps with that belkin F5D8013 though
2022-01-31 13:04:40	demonicmaniac1	cardbus is 32bit with dma
2022-01-31 13:04:58	Tom^	demonicmaniac1: do you have highlights setup for old tech terms?
2022-01-31 13:05:00	Tom^	:D
2022-01-31 13:05:09	demonicmaniac1	:P
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2022-01-31 13:05:13	grawity	or, actually, wasn't it 133 MHz? not 133 Mbps?
2022-01-31 13:05:22	grawity	because gigabit ethernet PCI cards exist
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2022-01-31 13:05:57	demonicmaniac1	33mhz 32bit is 133mb/s as on megabytes
2022-01-31 13:06:18	grawity	ah 133 MB/s so ~1300 Mbps
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2022-01-31 13:06:35	demonicmaniac1	realistically it's around 900mbps though
2022-01-31 13:06:55	grawity	yeah but it's good enough for gigabit ethernet, or firewire 400, or wireless-n
2022-01-31 13:06:56	demonicmaniac1	cardbus esata exists as well
2022-01-31 13:07:02	demonicmaniac1	yeah
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2022-01-31 13:07:51	⚡ 	grawity wants to find more weird non-ethernet networking tech
2022-01-31 13:08:08	demonicmaniac1	i have dual usb 2.0 cardbus adapter and 100mbit cardbus ethernet
2022-01-31 13:08:21	demonicmaniac1	gigabit do exist though
2022-01-31 13:08:38	demonicmaniac1	theres also cardbus dma cf adapters
2022-01-31 13:09:01	demonicmaniac1	fw800 also exists
2022-01-31 13:09:38	demonicmaniac1	and cardbus ultrascsi adapters :)
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2022-01-31 13:15:01	demonicmaniac1	grawity: Tom^: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/276169-REG/Magma_CB1F_1_Slot_Cardbus_to_Full_Length.html :)
2022-01-31 13:15:03	phrik	Title: Magma 1-Slot Cardbus to Full-Length PCI Expansion Unit CB1F B&H (at www.bhphotovideo.com)
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2022-01-31 13:30:02	mohan43u	how to disable pulseaudio adjusting mic volume automatically?
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2022-01-31 13:34:02	varl	mohan43u: are you seeing that behaviour with zoom ?
2022-01-31 13:34:19	mohan43u	varl: yes
2022-01-31 13:34:39	varl	mohan43u: zoom has a config to "automatically adjust mic levels" that you can disable in their settings
2022-01-31 13:34:44	varl	it's shit. i've had the same issue.
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2022-01-31 13:36:31	mohan43u	varl: ooh, I thought it is pulseaudio which is having that auto adjustment shit. looks like every app developers think users are stupids not to know how to adjust mic volume.
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2022-01-31 13:56:08	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-01-31 13:44:28	thrice	well, I bet for the majoriy of users, they are right :>
2022-01-31 13:56:08	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-31 17:31:12	Scarecr0w	Excuse me please, what should I look into if fonts do not look smooth? https://i.imgur.com/07ulMMH.png Any guidance and pointers would be awesome.
2022-01-31 17:32:08	grawity	get a higher-DPI screen
2022-01-31 17:32:47	grawity	your font smoothing (antialiasing) is already enabled, but it's in grayscale mode -- looks about normal for that
2022-01-31 17:33:20	grawity	enabling RGBA (subpixel antialiasing) in fontconfig (or GNOME or xsettingsd or whatever) would make things look a bit smoother, though probably also slightly coloured
2022-01-31 17:34:28	Scarecr0w	I see, I used lxappearance to fiddle with those but the font didn't look as smooth so I had disabled it. I'll give it another look. Thanks.
2022-01-31 17:35:20	grawity	could do it through /etc/fonts/conf.d/, or ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf
2022-01-31 17:36:00	hiya	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/70870
2022-01-31 17:36:02	phrik	Title: FS#70870 : [ffmpeg] Error after svt-av1 upgrade to version 0.8.7-1 (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-01-31 17:36:03	hiya	This issue is back
2022-01-31 17:36:16	hiya	https://paste.centos.org/view/raw/ef533ef8
2022-01-31 17:36:17	grawity	basically set the 'rgba' parameter to 'rgb', 'lcdfilter' to 'lcddefault' (not sure if it's needed for Arch builds?), and maybe 'hintstyle' to 'hintfull'
2022-01-31 17:36:20	Earnestly	Scarecr0w: Ultimately consequence of nyquist sampling thoerem.  Only solution is more dpi in screen, AA and co. can only do so much
2022-01-31 17:37:00	Earnestly	So tweak away but what you have is likely close to best.  Keep in mind that screenshots don't convey what you're seeing for same reason
2022-01-31 17:43:51	Scarecr0w	I see, i'll continue fiddling around. I feel like I might be missing some configuration step or packages because when I tried out distros like Garuda, Pop_OS, Ubuntu, the fonts look velvety smooth. Thank you for your hints.
2022-01-31 17:45:13	Earnestly	Scarecr0w: Yes, you should be able to achieve same results as those
2022-01-31 17:46:26	Scarecr0w	Is there any possibility, even if little, that the font itself could make it look not so smooth?
2022-01-31 17:46:34	Earnestly	Yes
2022-01-31 17:46:38	Scarecr0w	Oh boy
2022-01-31 17:46:48	Earnestly	There are good and bad fonts, naturally
2022-01-31 17:47:18	Earnestly	(Byt good and bad I mean implementation, hint instructions if used, generation, etc.  Usually it's all pretty automated these days so it's fairly algorithmic.)
2022-01-31 17:52:57	Earnestly	I wish pax was as common as cpio
2022-01-31 17:58:07	BrainDamage	I have a portion of my lan which is wired to a wireless AP which creates a subnet, ideally I'd want it bridged but apparently that doesn't really work since bridging is too low level and ethernet and wifi framing differ, for ipv4 I sorta resigned myself to have NAT, is there something that transparently fowards link local for ipv6? I could set a ipv6 prefix for the subnet, but the asymmetry
2022-01-31 17:58:07	BrainDamage	kinda bothers me
2022-01-31 18:00:26	Earnestly	Does the word 'libteam' help
2022-01-31 18:02:04	BrainDamage	perhaps yes
2022-01-31 18:05:03	Hello71	teaming/aggregation is if you have two links that you want to split traffic down. if you want to receive packets from one interface and send them out another that's a different problem
2022-01-31 18:07:04	mkoskar	CarloWood: that server-side auth file is obviously meant to be removed *after* startx/xinit/Xorg dies, and it works that way (just tested it), looking at that trap though I'm not sure what triggers it
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2022-01-31 18:45:44	umaxtu	does anyone here use 'bat' as their MANPAGER?
2022-01-31 18:45:44	yawkat	is there a collectd alternative that's on the main repos?
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2022-01-31 18:46:57	matrixlark	yawkat: netdata comes to mind
2022-01-31 18:47:03	matrixlark	kinda heavy in comparison, though
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2022-01-31 18:47:51	matrixlark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications#System_monitors
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2022-01-31 18:47:52	phrik	Title: List of applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-01-31 18:48:02	yawkat	thanks
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2022-01-31 18:49:06	yawkat	telegraf might work, it has fewer dependencies on aur.
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2022-01-31 18:49:27	yawkat	netdata doesnt look like it's supposed to be used as a collection daemon only.
2022-01-31 18:49:58	ds	has anyone ever had a drive suddenly think it's bigger than it really is? managed to copy off most files without hitting bad bits, ran fsck on the partition, but not sure how/if i can fix the reported size... it /should/ be 3.6~3.8TB but lsblk says 4.5TB and something else showed it as 5.0 yesterday
2022-01-31 18:50:26	matrixlark	yawkat: Yeah, just kinda glanced at the collectd website and saw web-based monitoring, so brain went that route :P
2022-01-31 18:50:47	⚡ 	matrixlark is a very break-fix kinda dude, so monitoring isn't always up his alley :P
2022-01-31 18:51:10	yawkat	monitoring is important for knowing that something is broken :P
2022-01-31 18:51:18	yawkat	or youll end up like linus.
2022-01-31 18:51:25	matrixlark	lol
2022-01-31 18:51:27	ds	monitoring only helps when you remember you have it installed ;)
2022-01-31 18:51:55	matrixlark	I am better at IT than anyone in LTT's office, so that helps my chances :P
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2022-01-31 18:52:27	ds	normally that'd be setting the bar low but they do have anthony
2022-01-31 18:52:38	matrixlark	And I'm not saying that because I'm good, more that they're so bad that they make the bar pretty easy to clear
2022-01-31 18:53:03	matrixlark	aww, matrix removed my emphasis asterisks :(
2022-01-31 18:53:29	ds	got interpreted as proper italics here
2022-01-31 18:53:36	teraflops	_yes_
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2022-01-31 18:53:54	matrixlark	yeah, it got markdown'd in matrix, but I wanted that to go to irc too :P
2022-01-31 18:54:02	ds	heh
2022-01-31 18:54:03	thurstylark	I lurk in both places :P
2022-01-31 18:54:04	yawkat	it's italics on irc too
2022-01-31 18:54:14	matrixlark	oshit, really?
2022-01-31 18:54:23	yawkat	yea https://s.yawk.at/1dVelmH8
2022-01-31 18:54:24	phrik	Title: Image (at s.yawk.at)
2022-01-31 18:54:29	matrixlark	indeed. didn't notice it at first :P
2022-01-31 18:54:33	teraflops	in weechat it's italics
2022-01-31 18:54:35	⚡ 	ds also on irc
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2022-01-31 18:54:46	teraflops	crtl+c+i
2022-01-31 18:54:51	matrixlark	well, that's good to know
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2022-01-31 19:01:02	ds	this is so confusing, how does a drive just go from reporting 4TB to 5TB? i dont even know where to start looking, trying to google just finds stuff about knockoff usb sticks
2022-01-31 19:01:27	matrixlark	what kind of hw is it?
2022-01-31 19:01:36	ds	it throws "The backup GPT table is corrupt, but the primary appears OK, so that will be used." every time it mounts, but fsck fixed anything it had complains of, no bad blocks supposedly
2022-01-31 19:01:54	ds	matrixlark: 3.5" hdd (seagate expansion desk, so usb3)
2022-01-31 19:02:26	ds	reminds me i need to retry smart after hopefully blacklisting it for uas
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2022-01-31 19:04:25	matrixlark	maybe it's the enclosure/sata adapter?
2022-01-31 19:05:10	matrixlark	That's usually the first thing I eliminate when an external hdd starts getting fucky
2022-01-31 19:05:24	Ingar	if the GPT is kaput, fsck won't fix that
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2022-01-31 19:06:59	ds	hmm wouldn't rule it out, i remember extracting drive direct to pc once a *long* time ago. not sure why i went straight back to the enclosure. could've just been to noisy
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2022-01-31 19:07:47	ds	Ingar: is there any way/tool to "inspect" it? or to just rewrite the backup if "the primary appears OK"
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2022-01-31 19:08:59	ds	looks like blacklisting for uas got smart working, time to parse that
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2022-01-31 19:11:29	Ingar	ds : I usually just delete and recreate the partition table, but that is not a recommended procedure 
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2022-01-31 19:11:33	ds	heh, "When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle." -- well, no shit
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2022-01-31 19:12:23	matrixlark	I think gdisk will do fixup on the gpt tables without needing to make changes to the contents of the table
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2022-01-31 19:12:58	ds	ooo thanks, I'll have to look into that. I always have "nuke it" as an option since data is backed up now at least
2022-01-31 19:13:23	matrixlark	that's always good
2022-01-31 19:13:30	ds	or rather, i think it is. diff ain't gonna complain if missing chunks are identical lol
2022-01-31 19:14:05	matrixlark	yeah, the "stop messing with it if you don't have backups of that data" disclaimer definitely applies here :P
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2022-01-31 19:15:21	ds	heh, first thing i did was copy critical bits to another disk while i waited for an ironwolf to turn up
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2022-01-31 19:16:08	ds	i suspect any bad bits were from trying to write outside of the actual disk, not sure. watching dmesg while i was rsyncing suggests there were only a couple areas affected
2022-01-31 19:16:15	matrixlark	good reflex :P
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2022-01-31 19:17:42	ds	reflex? i didnt notice until it remounted ro and steam went all tits up :D
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2022-01-31 19:17:57	matrixlark	heh
2022-01-31 19:19:08	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-01-31 19:19:17	Thorhian	Has anyone here had problems with the "ninja" package lately, the build system?
2022-01-31 19:19:47	thrice	!problem
2022-01-31 19:19:47	phrik	Please try to define the problem as clearly as you can, so: what do you want to do, what did you try and what was the result?
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2022-01-31 19:21:59	Thorhian	It's ironic because after multiple days of troubleshooting I fixed it just now thrice. Sorry lol
2022-01-31 19:22:22	thrice	:)
2022-01-31 19:22:33	Thorhian	I hate being sick lol
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2022-01-31 20:10:51	gehidore	I love it
2022-01-31 20:11:11	matrixlark	masochist :P
2022-01-31 20:11:51	gehidore	usually
2022-01-31 20:21:17	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-01-31 20:28:07	ds	Ingar, matrixlark: "fixed" backup gpt with gdisk (just run and write) - GPT went from 'damaged' to 'present', but still a TiB fatter than it should be :(
2022-01-31 20:28:39	ds	thinking recreate partition table could be the only option at this point?
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2022-01-31 20:32:07	Ingar	recreating only works if you know the exact layout of the original partition table
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2022-01-31 20:32:23	Ingar	and make sure gdisk doesnt wipe any filesystem it finds
2022-01-31 20:33:12	Warepire	Assuming the partition table is somewhat functional still, wouldn't it be possible to repair it with something like sfdisk?
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2022-02-01 02:59:21	DeepDayze	your data still intact?
2022-02-01 03:00:33	ds	afaik. it had a flurry of I/O errors when i was copying, but that was only in some vendor dirs of an ancient dropbox backup
2022-02-01 03:00:34	DeepDayze	I sometimes force an fsck every so often to clean up any cruft in the filesystem and verify drive's health
2022-02-01 03:00:37	topcat001	The most reliable way to check health is probably `smartctl -t long`.
2022-02-01 03:01:40	DeepDayze	If you have a bad drive you would have seen a flurry of bad sectors or a ton of bad stuff during fsck
2022-02-01 03:02:50	kevr	ds: show us `smartctl -a` output of that drive
2022-02-01 03:03:01	kevr	or what topcat said.
2022-02-01 03:04:22	ds	https://kopy.io/UZKBE
2022-02-01 03:04:23	phrik	Title: kopy (at kopy.io)
2022-02-01 03:05:00	demonicmaniac1	!pastebin
2022-02-01 03:05:01	phrik	Pastebin.com is swamped with advertisements and random captchas. Malware found on pastebin.com has resulted in it being blocked for some users. It injects CRLF line-endings. Please, use something else. Use something sane like https://gist.github.com https://bpaste.net https://ix.io and see !ix for easy way to paste from a pipe
2022-02-01 03:05:08	kevr	that drive has been overheated like crazy
2022-02-01 03:05:21	kevr	and the warranty is gone
2022-02-01 03:05:49	ds	what defines overheated for a hdd? didn't seem out of its range
2022-02-01 03:06:17	ds	it *has* had super hot spells during summer though, which could've caused some corruption?
2022-02-01 03:06:33	ds	then presumably it just hasn't tried to read from those blocks until the other day
2022-02-01 03:06:37	kevr	take a look at the 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel firmware entry
2022-02-01 03:06:43	kevr	its passed its threshold in the past
2022-02-01 03:06:51	kevr	when that occurs, most drive manufacts void the warranty
2022-02-01 03:07:22	kevr	if not all, not sure of any who do.
2022-02-01 03:07:31	ds	warranty is probably gone anyway, its a few years old at this point
2022-02-01 03:07:36	kevr	gotcha
2022-02-01 03:08:31	kevr	!calc 1988 / 365
2022-02-01 03:08:31	phrik	kevr: 5.446575342465754
2022-02-01 03:08:32	ds	might run it out of the plastic, it doesn't seem hot to the touch at all
2022-02-01 03:08:48	ds	like barely warm, nothing you wouldn't expect
2022-02-01 03:09:00	kevr	it was a firmware entry, and those persist until the vendor rewrites it.
2022-02-01 03:09:08	kevr	not sure if they even can rewrite it.
2022-02-01 03:09:19	DeepDayze	I got a fan positioned to blow heat away from the spinning rust
2022-02-01 03:09:22	kevr	so it was probably some point like you're eluding to, in the summer or something
2022-02-01 03:09:34	DeepDayze	my boot drive is an nvme SSD however
2022-02-01 03:09:44	kevr	also, this drive has had over 5 years of power on time
2022-02-01 03:09:46	ds	oh, missed the 'firmware entry' bit
2022-02-01 03:09:57	ds	heh, that it does!
2022-02-01 03:10:01	ds	ol' faithful ;)
2022-02-01 03:10:05	kevr	its definitely bunk, pretty much dead in some areas
2022-02-01 03:10:23	DeepDayze	5 years old it is?
2022-02-01 03:10:26	ds	so tldr; ebay it while i can still get away with claiming it works til they forget
2022-02-01 03:10:32	kevr	40 51 00 ff ff ff 0f  Error: UNC at LBA = 0x0fffffff = 268435455
2022-02-01 03:10:39	kevr	this repeats several times in the past
2022-02-01 03:10:49	DeepDayze	My oldest HD is 9 years old in comparison
2022-02-01 03:11:09	kevr	nnot 5 years old
2022-02-01 03:11:14	kevr	5 years of power on time, more like 5.5 years
2022-02-01 03:11:26	kevr	meaning, 5 years of time *while* a computer has been running.
2022-02-01 03:11:36	DeepDayze	so drive is older than that
2022-02-01 03:11:41	kevr	likely
2022-02-01 03:12:01	ds	kevr: when i noticed issues i was trying to install a steam game (proton, thinking it was a diff native game). i tried a few times when suddenly the hdd disappeared (then remounted ro) so maybe that's related
2022-02-01 03:12:14	ds	this was maybe 2 days ago, so not all that far in the past
2022-02-01 03:12:18	kevr	what can happen is
2022-02-01 03:12:20	DeepDayze	My oldest HD is 9 years old and had almost 7 years power on time as bought it new
2022-02-01 03:12:31	kevr	when a bad drive has some bad sectors that it can't fix, but you try to use that space
2022-02-01 03:12:38	kevr	you go into undefined behavior terriroty
2022-02-01 03:12:40	kevr	territory*
2022-02-01 03:12:51	DeepDayze	Some OSs can mark the bad sectors so you can't use them
2022-02-01 03:13:20	ds	DeepDayze: i noticed fsck had options to mark/log bad sectors, but if it finds none i guess that's redundant
2022-02-01 03:13:44	mpan	Be aware that if there are any bad sectors already detectable by OS, it means the drive has run out of sectors to reallocate. In other words: the drive is extremely deteriorated. It’s not the same as it was with HDDs 30 years ago.
2022-02-01 03:13:47	DeepDayze	If the drive's good then that's good it's gone this long
2022-02-01 03:13:59	kevr	mpan++
2022-02-01 03:14:12	matt-maguire	I think modern drives automatically map out any bad sectors at the firmware level
2022-02-01 03:14:14	mpan	Nowadays marking bad sectors has no purpose other than deceiving oneself and risking data loss.
2022-02-01 03:14:16	DeepDayze	SO maybe the errors in the log could point to that, mpan
2022-02-01 03:14:21	mpan	matt-maguire: yes, they do.
2022-02-01 03:14:23	kevr	matt-maguire: incorrect. it depends on the vendor.
2022-02-01 03:14:27	kevr	they're supposed to.
2022-02-01 03:14:49	kevr	hdd firmware is quite frustrating.
2022-02-01 03:15:11	DeepDayze	bugs in HDD firmware can be frustrating too
2022-02-01 03:15:21	DeepDayze	HDD firmware is pretty complex
2022-02-01 03:15:36	Guest31	Hey I restarted my manjaro installation and my wifi is no longer showing up. I need help to see if this is a hardware problem or a software problem. I am not great at debugging this sort of thing on my own.
2022-02-01 03:15:48	kevr	this is not a manjaro channel
2022-02-01 03:15:49	ds	presumably moreso when it's trapped behind an enclosure
2022-02-01 03:15:57	Hydragyrum	!give Guest31 notarch
2022-02-01 03:15:58	phrik	Guest31: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2022-02-01 03:16:07	Guest31	rats.
2022-02-01 03:16:24	Guest31	I asked there but its quiet there :/
2022-02-01 03:16:34	matt-maguire	especially since manjaro delivers its own kernels, best checking out #manjaro channel
2022-02-01 03:16:51	mpan	Guest31: that’s not this channel’s problem that Manjaro is unable to provide tech support.
2022-02-01 03:16:55	Guest31	matt-maguire oh yeah I didnt realize that. Makes sense.
2022-02-01 03:17:03	DeepDayze	Manjaro is to arch like Ubuntu is to Debian
2022-02-01 03:17:05	mpan	Guest31: try #linux too, as it’s a general Linux talk.
2022-02-01 03:17:29	Guest31	Okay I'll go ask in #debian.
2022-02-01 03:17:31	Guest31	thanks
2022-02-01 03:17:49	kevr	mpan: i used to dream that in the future, disk firmware would actually have some sort of spec that the companies are _required_ to use that force them to use the values properly.
2022-02-01 03:17:50	DeepDayze	Manjaro is not Debian (smacks forehead)
2022-02-01 03:17:57	kevr	i've since given up on that idea.
2022-02-01 03:18:02	mpan	I think reading comprehension skills are not strong with that one.
2022-02-01 03:18:08	matt-maguire	#debian won't be able to help you
2022-02-01 03:18:13	mpan	kevr: which values exactly?
2022-02-01 03:18:24	kevr	every single one of them
2022-02-01 03:18:30	Guest31	I asked in #debian and they told me to ask the question here.
2022-02-01 03:18:31	mpan	kevr: but… you mean SMART data?
2022-02-01 03:18:43	kevr	but imo, the error rates and seek error rate is usually inconsistent with reality
2022-02-01 03:18:49	kevr	yeah, sorry
2022-02-01 03:18:54	mpan	Guest31: please, stop it. This is not the channel you are looking for.
2022-02-01 03:19:04	jkc	Guest31: Manjaro isn't Debian, so it makes sense they didn't help you in #debian. Manjaro is also not Arch, though, so here isn't right either.
2022-02-01 03:19:20	Guest31	i'll try #ubuntu
2022-02-01 03:19:23	Guest31	thanks
2022-02-01 03:19:24	kevr	Guest31: why?
2022-02-01 03:19:28	kevr	nobody suggested that
2022-02-01 03:19:37	Guest31	oh I thought they did.
2022-02-01 03:19:39	mpan	alad: you are around, right?
2022-02-01 03:19:44	kevr	try a community for the manjaro distribution.
2022-02-01 03:19:49	demonicmaniac1	kevr: you mean things like having actual defined smart values instead of everybody using different raw values and mapping :D
2022-02-01 03:19:50	jkc	Guest31: Manjaro is not Ubuntu.
2022-02-01 03:19:58	kevr	demonicmaniac1: indeed
2022-02-01 03:20:06	demonicmaniac1	or a sane time value for spindown
2022-02-01 03:20:07	mpan	jkc: considernot feeding the troll. :)
2022-02-01 03:20:12	kevr	+1
2022-02-01 03:20:21	demonicmaniac1	where it's pure look when/what counts as seconds or minutes
2022-02-01 03:20:25	demonicmaniac1	*luck
2022-02-01 03:20:25	Guest31	mpan kek. Sorry I couldnt help myself.
2022-02-01 03:20:35	Guest31	have a good one everyone.
2022-02-01 03:21:04	jkc	kek stands for kant english korrectly
2022-02-01 03:21:35	mpan	kevr: the problem with SMART values is that for most of them there can be no meaning that is not vendor-specific. Sure, reallocated sector count or temperature are trivial, but many others are not. And this is not vendors’ malice.
2022-02-01 03:21:39	mpan	jkc: please.
2022-02-01 03:21:48	kevr	mpan: i call that bullshit.
2022-02-01 03:21:56	kevr	How exactly is error rate vendor specific?
2022-02-01 03:22:03	kevr	one error = one error
2022-02-01 03:22:31	demonicmaniac1	it's not defined anywhere whether you start at 255 and degrade or at 0 and increase
2022-02-01 03:22:32	urawotlol	does not pass the sniff test
2022-02-01 03:22:35	demonicmaniac1	for example
2022-02-01 03:22:38	kevr	It is vendor specific in practice, because there is no actual forced use of values that make sense to users
2022-02-01 03:22:44	mpan	kevr: and what is “error”? And if it’s rate, is it cummulative over the entire driver’s period or a moving average? What kind of moving average?
2022-02-01 03:22:53	jkc	mpan: Please what? I wasn't talking to you.
2022-02-01 03:22:57	bea	don't SMART vals also report the range and state of the value? I.E some values will report as PRE-FAIL
2022-02-01 03:22:58	kevr	there are definitions for these in the disk space
2022-02-01 03:23:05	kevr	this is not a grey area.
2022-02-01 03:23:08	ds	mpan: even temperature isn't that trivial when the airflow threshold differs from the recommended min/max temps further down
2022-02-01 03:23:12	mpan	jkc: please consider stopping feeding the troll.
2022-02-01 03:23:43	mpan	ds: but it can at least have some common meaning. Of course that still becomes a problem with different sensor precision.
2022-02-01 03:23:52	ds	that's true
2022-02-01 03:24:04	demonicmaniac1	and lets not even get into ssds whether mwi exists and what it's called and what happens at which mwi
2022-02-01 03:24:07	kevr	basically what it all equates to is that users really can only make educated guesses
2022-02-01 03:24:08	mpan	bea: they do, but the raw values are meaningless.
2022-02-01 03:24:13	kevr	i don't find that to be that useful
2022-02-01 03:24:20	demonicmaniac1	and whether it lists write amplification for written values or lbas or what
2022-02-01 03:24:27	bea	right right
2022-02-01 03:24:32	ds	crap i forgot i put the oven on, brb scampi wants cooking <3
2022-02-01 03:24:57	mpan	kevr: don’t get me wrong. I am all for open standard for reporting such things. But that doesn’t mean vendor-specific values would be eliminated. Only some of them can be standardized.
2022-02-01 03:25:10	kevr	that would be fine
2022-02-01 03:25:22	kevr	as long as there's a clear difference between vendor-specific or not
2022-02-01 03:26:18	mpan	I would be, however, much more happy with every vendor publishing precise documentation of those values.
2022-02-01 03:26:26	kevr	++
2022-02-01 03:26:48	urawotlol	proper documentation from the manufacturer would be very nice
2022-02-01 03:26:52	urawotlol	but that will never happen
2022-02-01 03:27:04	kevr	honestly
2022-02-01 03:27:31	kevr	i have a feeling that the reason that there's no effort given here is literally based on the fact that people normally have to hit up their vendor, especially when they're a company, to work out the issue
2022-02-01 03:27:41	kevr	and so it's just forcibly backfeeding stuff to the vendor
2022-02-01 03:27:44	kevr	more work to do
2022-02-01 03:27:46	kevr	etc
2022-02-01 03:28:23	urawotlol	not to mention vendors actively restrict information and sell you a product as a service instead
2022-02-01 03:30:21	ds	wow, k just pulled the drive and its red hot. reckon ill leave it to cool for a bit
2022-02-01 03:30:33	ds	maybe those temps were right D:
2022-02-01 03:30:51	urawotlol	you might need some airflow around that drive
2022-02-01 03:30:58	demonicmaniac1	190 celsius airflow would toast pretty much everything in your system not just the drive
2022-02-01 03:31:23	ds	190? o.O
2022-02-01 03:31:33	demonicmaniac1	wasn't there some mention of 190 earlier?
2022-02-01 03:31:57	demonicmaniac1	03:06 < kevr> take a look at the 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel firmware entry
2022-02-01 03:32:08	ds	ah 190 is ID# column
2022-02-01 03:32:17	demonicmaniac1	ohhhh i see
2022-02-01 03:32:20	ds	;)
2022-02-01 03:32:25	ds	53 was the value, still toasty
2022-02-01 03:32:40	urawotlol	ya need some airflow on that there drive
2022-02-01 03:32:56	urawotlol	53 sniffs like no airflow
2022-02-01 03:33:07	ds	think ima scrap the plastic enclosure it came in too, there's no active cooling at all
2022-02-01 03:33:11	demonicmaniac1	not just there though. a drive by itself doesn't really get that hot unless you have like 40 or 50 ambient. something is blowing much hot air about heating up everything
2022-02-01 03:33:14	ds	heck not much in the way of passive room either
2022-02-01 03:33:34	urawotlol	you do need airflow on a drive
2022-02-01 03:33:45	urawotlol	especially if its a faster spindle
2022-02-01 03:34:08	ds	would an extended smart test normally warm it up a fair bit?
2022-02-01 03:34:23	urawotlol	not more than normal operation
2022-02-01 03:34:30	ds	fair enough
2022-02-01 03:34:51	ds	good chance something's not right then, ambient is only around 20~25
2022-02-01 03:35:02	ds	i usually expect drives to go 30-40
2022-02-01 03:35:21	urawotlol	and 50 in a closed box is easy
2022-02-01 03:35:44	mpan	40–45°C here, for comparison.
2022-02-01 03:35:44	topcat001	50+ is generally considered a bit too high for long periods; need more fans.
2022-02-01 03:36:18	topcat001	The cooler you can get it to run the better.
2022-02-01 03:36:26	ds	so it seems :) just wish I'd bothered to check smart on it before, the drive has to be blacklisted for uas for it to work
2022-02-01 03:36:30	urawotlol	this is true
2022-02-01 03:36:57	ds	had i ever got curious i could've blacklisted it years ago and had some context over time
2022-02-01 03:36:58	demonicmaniac1	topcat001: not quite there's also a bottom limit and it's not condensation but much earlier
2022-02-01 03:37:03	topcat001	I check smart often :)
2022-02-01 03:37:11	mpan	I think there was some minor increase in mortality below 30°C too.
2022-02-01 03:37:16	demonicmaniac1	mpan: yup
2022-02-01 03:37:21	demonicmaniac1	and greatly below 20
2022-02-01 03:37:25	topcat001	demonicmaniac1: Yes I did not mean freeze it :)
2022-02-01 03:37:38	urawotlol	just colder than 50
2022-02-01 03:37:57	demonicmaniac1	backblaze says 20 to 35, google says 30 to 45
2022-02-01 03:38:04	demonicmaniac1	pick your poison
2022-02-01 03:38:42	topcat001	Let's say 35 idle and < 50 :D
2022-02-01 03:38:43	kevr	!echo [calc (20 + 30) / 2] to [calc (35 + 45) / 2]
2022-02-01 03:38:44	phrik	25 to 40
2022-02-01 03:39:32	urawotlol	sounds good
2022-02-01 03:39:42	kevr	lol
2022-02-01 03:40:44	urawotlol	SSD's are better in literally every way
2022-02-01 03:40:52	topcat001	Even with 20 C ambient which is chilly for indoors I don't get lower than 32-35 in well ventilated boxes, roughly.
2022-02-01 03:41:10	mpan	Keep it exactly at 31.4159°C for fame.
2022-02-01 03:41:17	topcat001	:D
2022-02-01 03:42:31	topcat001	HDDs are probably better suited to storing large amounts of data in a NAS  cheaply.
2022-02-01 03:42:32	urawotlol	!pi
2022-02-01 03:42:33	phrik	3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245870066063155881748815209209628292540917153643678925903600113305305488204665...
2022-02-01 03:42:55	ds	<urawotlol> SSD's are better in literally every way
2022-02-01 03:43:00	ds	every way except cost 
2022-02-01 03:43:14	ds	boy would i be tempted if i didn't need at least 4tb
2022-02-01 03:43:33	topcat001	Although they have gotten much cheaper.
2022-02-01 03:43:38	urawotlol	much
2022-02-01 03:43:49	urawotlol	and you can get 100+ TB in a single drive
2022-02-01 03:43:57	urawotlol	tho sata only not SAS or NVME
2022-02-01 03:44:02	demonicmaniac1	not quite though. hdds powered on forever hardly wear out by writing unlike ssds
2022-02-01 03:44:13	urawotlol	optane
2022-02-01 03:44:15	demonicmaniac1	cost and wearing out is where hdds reign
2022-02-01 03:44:23	topcat001	yeah
2022-02-01 03:44:25	urawotlol	not for long
2022-02-01 03:44:36	urawotlol	we just need optane or optane like stuff
2022-02-01 03:44:44	mefistofeles	non of them beat magnetic tape for that, though
2022-02-01 03:44:50	mefistofeles	*none
2022-02-01 03:44:58	urawotlol	and comparators in nand cause most of the issues
2022-02-01 03:45:00	demonicmaniac1	mefistofeles: truth
2022-02-01 03:45:09	ds	what surprised me was seeing NVMEs *cheaper* than the 2.5" equivalent now
2022-02-01 03:45:09	urawotlol	*thows tape in fire*
2022-02-01 03:45:13	urawotlol	*reads data*
2022-02-01 03:45:26	topcat001	https://datacenterfrontier.com/inside-facebooks-blu-ray-cold-storage-data-center/
2022-02-01 03:45:26	urawotlol	ds: less material in a m.2
2022-02-01 03:45:36	demonicmaniac1	ds: because they use no dram cache and only some slc caching and qlc
2022-02-01 03:45:42	urawotlol	also sata to flash is expensive
2022-02-01 03:45:49	demonicmaniac1	they're not cheaper than dramless sata qlc slc cache drives
2022-02-01 03:46:05	demonicmaniac1	nvme doesn't mean it's fast or good :P
2022-02-01 03:46:13	urawotlol	less overhead
2022-02-01 03:46:14	ds	urawotlol: aye that makes sense, i remember them being 3 times the price tho heh
2022-02-01 03:46:23	urawotlol	sure same spec?
2022-02-01 03:46:31	urawotlol	that is alot larger 
2022-02-01 04:11:58	murrant	Question: Would Arch accept a change to a package to make it to run under XWayland by default?  KRDC supports Wayland, but some things are basically unusable.
2022-02-01 04:14:04	urawotlol	run it with env -u WAYLAND_DISPLAY
2022-02-01 04:15:42	murrant	urawotlol indeed that is basically what I am doing.  Just wondering about making the change for everyone.
2022-02-01 04:17:27	urawotlol	why would everyone want to run with xwayland instead of wayland?
2022-02-01 04:17:32	urawotlol	waqyland is the future
2022-02-01 04:19:57	murrant	urawotlol because when you connect via RDP under Wayland it opens another window without decorations and unmovable and offcenter often.  Under XWayland it is embedded in KRDC as expected.  Yes, once upstream fixes it, it would be great to run under Wayland directly.  (Obviously, I'm using Wayland, otherwise, I wouldn't care) :D
2022-02-01 04:27:26	DeepDayze	Wayland still is a mirage to me
2022-02-01 04:27:59	DeepDayze	It does sound nice but that does mean a lot of the apps common now would have to be pretty much rewritten for native Wayland.
2022-02-01 04:29:43	murrant	DeepDayze many apps use toolkits which support multiple platforms and just need a little (or none) tweaking to make run under Wayland.
2022-02-01 04:30:05	DeepDayze	true that
2022-02-01 04:30:36	DeepDayze	or maybe using environment variables or flags to indicate running under WL
2022-02-01 04:30:59	murrant	but yeah, some are still waiting on interfaces to be designed and implemented across most of the compositors :(
2022-02-01 04:40:44	DeepDayze	yes, as wayland is the future so it's coming time to embrace it
2022-02-01 04:42:50	topcat001	I am too much in love with fvwm :D
2022-02-01 04:43:33	topcat001	might set up a second machine to play with wayland. Very glad it's getting developed.
2022-02-01 04:44:14	topcat001	I also run several non-Linux systems and like having the same setup on them.
2022-02-01 04:48:39	DeepDayze	fvwm is quite the beast to set up but yes it's simple in appearance
2022-02-01 04:52:55	mefistofeles	topcat001: oh, I remember the old fvwm days
2022-02-01 04:54:52	DeepDayze	I was messing around with fvwm back in my early linux days (installed Slackware)
2022-02-01 05:06:19	Nomenclatura	fluxbox was always easier
2022-02-01 05:06:43	Nomenclatura	or window maker
2022-02-01 05:06:54	Nomenclatura	also more powerful
2022-02-01 05:07:09	Nomenclatura	fvwm is like 70's stuff ain't it
2022-02-01 05:12:17	DeepDayze	Lol yeah
2022-02-01 05:12:27	DeepDayze	Openbox is decent too
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2022-02-01 06:06:27	norbert	How can I propose some updates to a community packages (rssguard)?
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2022-02-01 06:09:17	ishitatsuyuki	norbert: what update? if the version is simply outdated, flag it as out-of-date on the package page
2022-02-01 06:09:27	ishitatsuyuki	if it's a feature request, add a bug
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2022-02-01 06:10:45	norbert	Flagged it already. But I would also suggest that the default isntallation uses --no-debug-output in the .desktop file so that the journal not get swamped completely, and add another .desktop file rssguard-debug with the original behaviour. I have the PKGBUILD ready for both (update and that feature).
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2022-02-01 06:11:48	ishitatsuyuki	Add a bug.
2022-02-01 06:12:04	norbert	Ok, thanks. I will add a bug with the respective diff. Thanks.
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2022-02-01 06:23:49	topcat001	I got fvwm configured just the way I like it. Nothing else quite works right!
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2022-02-01 06:24:16	topcat001	The only other WM I use is Xmonad which is also wonderful.
2022-02-01 06:25:49	topcat001	windowmaker is nice (I have used the original NeXT system too) but it's very unstable.
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2022-02-01 06:26:14	topcat001	and nowhere near as infinitely customisable as fvwm, sorry
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2022-02-01 06:27:22	topcat001	Also "easy" is a matter pf familiarity.
2022-02-01 06:27:37	topcat001	anyway it works for me lol
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2022-02-01 06:30:27	norbert	ishitatsuyuki: done https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73581
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2022-02-01 06:30:29	phrik	Title: FS#73581 : [rssguard] default to no debug output and provide separate debug enabled desktop file (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2022-02-01 06:49:01	topcat001	fluxbox is excellent also and I'd happily use it too.
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2022-02-01 06:49:29	topcat001	also very stable
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2022-02-01 06:50:19	weltio	is it possible to boot into an efi file without generating an boot entry first? like systemd reboot --firmware-setup but with keytool.efi
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2022-02-01 18:38:00	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-01 18:38:00	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1439 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1439 normals)
2022-02-01 17:15:54	engys	does anyone patch lcms2 or will archlinux wait 4 month for the upstream version?
2022-02-01 17:16:04	engys	https://github.com/mm2/Little-CMS/commit/fdbfb7694f9d7048d53674b79ddfc38068bfdaf7
2022-02-01 17:16:05	weltio	Foxboron: what could be the reason for efi-updatevar Operation not pemitted? Its a live system, bootctl status tells: secureboot disabled (setup) - so i assume setupmode works /sys/.../setupmode... emits: 0006 000 0001
2022-02-01 17:17:17	Foxboron	weltio: what does lsattr say of the variable?
2022-02-01 17:17:52	weltio	----i------
2022-02-01 17:18:07	weltio	mounted rw btw
2022-02-01 17:18:10	Foxboron	There is your answer :) It's immutable 
2022-02-01 17:18:21	weltio	ah, its default, isnt it?
2022-02-01 17:18:40	weltio	so by default efi-updatevar doesnt work?
2022-02-01 17:18:52	weltio	would assume, efi-updatevar handles that
2022-02-01 17:34:38	palasso	Hello. I have a problem with my bluetooth. It has suddenly stopped working
2022-02-01 17:35:02	palasso	I have an Intel NUC (miniPC). Specifically Intel NUC7i5DNKE https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/122486/intel-nuc-kit-nuc7i5dnke/specifications.html
2022-02-01 17:35:03	phrik	Title: Intel® NUC Kit NUC7i5DNKE (at www.intel.com)
2022-02-01 17:35:09	palasso	It has an M.2 wifi+bluetooth card: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/94150/intel-dual-band-wirelessac-8265.html
2022-02-01 17:35:10	phrik	Title: Intel Dual Band WirelessAC 8265 Product Specifications (at ark.intel.com)
2022-02-01 17:35:17	palasso	The wifi is working
2022-02-01 17:35:29	palasso	I did that: https://bpa.st/Y3UA
2022-02-01 17:35:30	phrik	Title: View paste Y3UA (at bpa.st)
2022-02-01 17:35:43	palasso	I rebooted to windows and bluetooth wasn't working there as well
2022-02-01 17:37:15	Warepire	palasso: Please post the output of: journalctl -b
2022-02-01 17:39:38	weltio	Foxboron: ok, for the PK it does not work?
2022-02-01 17:40:22	weltio	i mean, setup mode, chattr -i, mounted rw - but: cant update withouyt key
2022-02-01 17:45:09	palasso	Warepire: it's a bit long and bpaste doesn't allow me to paste all of it, is there a way I can restrict it to the useful parts?
2022-02-01 17:47:15	Warepire	palasso: Sure, start with the following additional switches "-t kernel -t bluetoothd"
2022-02-01 17:49:51	palasso	Warepire: ty for the guidance, there it is https://bpa.st/VNMQ
2022-02-01 17:49:51	phrik	Title: View paste VNMQ (at bpa.st)
2022-02-01 17:49:55	weltio	yeah... rtfm...
2022-02-01 17:53:58	palasso	Warepire: as a reminder the bluetooth parts at ~18:25 were due to me manually modprobing btusb and restarting the bluetooth service
2022-02-01 17:54:51	Warepire	palasso: According to the product spec the bluetooth part of that device is over USB, I see a lot of USB probing errors on device 1-8 and then the kernel giving up
2022-02-01 17:55:21	Warepire	I don't see the kernel actually finding a bluetooth device. Does lsusb show it?
2022-02-01 17:56:03	palasso	Warepire: does that mean the bluetooth card is broken? btw the wifi works (it's the same card)
2022-02-01 17:56:08	palasso	Warepire: I don't think so about lsusb https://bpa.st/VM7Q
2022-02-01 17:56:08	phrik	Title: View paste VM7Q (at bpa.st)
2022-02-01 17:56:59	palasso	Bluetooth doesn't work on Windows either after a reboot
2022-02-01 17:57:25	Warepire	No bluetooth device there. Have you done anything hardware wise to the NUC since it worked last? (including (accidentally) hitting it with something)
2022-02-01 17:57:30	palasso	sudo rfkill list gives me 0: phy0: Wireless LAN Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: no
2022-02-01 17:58:25	Warepire	Also, did it just stop working one day or was it in correlation to an update of Windows, Linux or both?
2022-02-01 17:58:46	palasso	Warepire: Mouse connected via bluetooth was working. I had a slack call which I opened via phone (slack also on computer). After call I notice mouse not working
2022-02-01 17:59:05	palasso	Didn't touch the physical box
2022-02-01 18:00:56	palasso	Warepire: it just stopped working with no correlation to an update on linux. I decided to reboot (initially thought it was a graphical glitch) but decided to update system beforehand which had a kernel update (the issue appeared before update and restart)
2022-02-01 18:01:05	Warepire	palasso: I double checked the error codes, so something isn't awesome, but I don't think we're at "busted hardware" yet. Error 71 is "protocol error"
2022-02-01 18:01:09	palasso	As for Windows I am not sure, I didn't boot to Windows for months
2022-02-01 18:01:52	Warepire	busted hardware is more likely to give 32 or not show up at all.
2022-02-01 18:01:52	palasso	And I don't know how Windows updates work (as in whether it decided to snoop in some update)
2022-02-01 18:03:42	Warepire	The stupid question: Have you tried turning it off and on again? (not just rebooting, power off, let it sit for a moment, power on)
2022-02-01 18:03:51	palasso	Warepire: thank you very much for the insights, I would definitely not find that neither did I know to separate the errors (71 vs 32)
2022-02-01 18:04:39	palasso	Warepire: I did a normal power off but opened it almost immediately (like 2 secs waiting). If you think this could help I could shut it down once more. 5 mins powered off would be enough?
2022-02-01 18:04:39	Warepire	(in case the bluetooth controller crashed and needs a full power cycle)
2022-02-01 18:05:05	palasso	I could also unplug it
2022-02-01 18:05:43	Warepire	Worth a shot, the error is starting to get a bit beyond my knowledge unfortunately.
2022-02-01 18:06:02	palasso	Thank you for the help. I will try a shut down and unplugging for 5 minutes
2022-02-01 18:09:54	chazy	if i want to enable discards for root, do i just specify it in fstab or do i have to enable also for grub? cuz the drive is encrypted and i saw somewhere grub accepts ":allowdiscards" as the last option to cryptdevice
2022-02-01 18:10:21	chazy	do i need to or fstab should work?
2022-02-01 18:21:31	palasso	Warepire: thank you very much for the guidance. It works!
2022-02-01 18:30:24	Earnestly	https://mariadb.com/newsroom/press-releases/mariadb-corporation-ab-to-become-a-publicly-traded-company-via-combination-with-angel-pond-holdings-corporation/
2022-02-01 18:30:25	phrik	Title: MariaDB Corporation Ab to Become a Publicly Traded Company via Combination with Angel Pond Holdings Corporation | MariaDB (at mariadb.com)
2022-02-01 18:36:18	noze	There are millions of desktop panels out there. At the moment I'm using waybar on sway, and I'm almost happy. But the kind of applets that one can write are quite limited, in particular I can't have a volume slider pop-up and I had to fork to modify the workspace switcher.
2022-02-01 18:36:18	noze	What am I missing? Supposedly kde/plasma is very customisable, but I'm not sure to what extend the panel / launcher / systray etc are usable without kwin.
2022-02-01 18:38:01	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-01 18:38:11	noze	before wayland, in the X world, one could combine say i3 with plasma and get a fully-fledged (as bloated wanted) desktop with a tiling window manager. with wayland it seems to go the outher way around: you can't rip the compositer out of the desktop, but you have to build the desktop services around the compositor. 
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2022-02-01 18:41:25	bookworm	Earnestly: oh no
2022-02-01 18:41:42	bookworm	I guess it's all downhill from there
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2022-02-01 18:45:33	DigitalKiwi	never have i ever wanted to short a stock more
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2022-02-01 19:03:18	gloomy	Hey, can anyone recommend a cheap linux-friendly PCIe wireless card?  Spent 4 hours trying to troubleshoot the RTL8111 I had, I'm ready to throw money at it :)
2022-02-01 19:04:17	colo	gloomy, are you looking to build an AP, or just a wireless client station?
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2022-02-01 19:04:42	gloomy	No I just need to connect to a wireless network from my desktop
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2022-02-01 19:06:08	gloomy	The network only does 30mbps/10mpbs so it really doesn't need to be fancy
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2022-02-01 19:06:31	colo	then use any recent-ish Intel card. you're going to need some kind of full-size PCIe adapter, too.
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2022-02-01 19:07:53	gloomy	Looking - thanks!
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2022-02-01 19:08:38	colo	the GIGABYTE GC-WB1733D-I might be an OK choice
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2022-02-01 19:09:20	virtx	hi
2022-02-01 19:09:53	virtx	I am having errors to install pyjq module ERROR: Failed building wheel for pyjq Failed to build pyjq , anyone got it before?
2022-02-01 19:10:17	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-01 19:14:08	chazy	hi, i have a problem with a new arch install, for some reason the keyboard doesn't work after a reboot and i need to depower the mobo for it to work again, any idea why this happens?
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2022-02-01 19:15:01	DigitalKiwi	!why
2022-02-01 19:15:01	phrik	Because you touch yourself at night.
2022-02-01 19:15:18	colo	chazy, can you ssh into the box and look around in dmesg output?
2022-02-01 19:15:26	chazy	h... how do you know that?!?!?!
2022-02-01 19:15:55	DigitalKiwi	phrik works for the nsa
2022-02-01 19:15:56	phrik	DigitalKiwi: Is that a question?
2022-02-01 19:15:58	chazy	i guess i'll install sshd now
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2022-02-01 19:16:30	chazy	but i won't let the phrik have the key
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2022-02-01 19:17:45	DigitalKiwi	who do you think makes the keys
2022-02-01 19:18:59	chazy	the keymaker?
2022-02-01 19:19:51	chazy	does he work for the nsa too?
2022-02-01 19:19:58	DigitalKiwi	yes
2022-02-01 19:20:03	virtx	how can I run a different python version in a venv ? should I install that version on my system too?
2022-02-01 19:20:06	chazy	that's worrying
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2022-02-01 19:22:43	chazy	colo: before installing ssh and finding another computer, can i be missing a hook? base udev autodetect modconf block encrypt filesystems keyboard fsck)
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2022-02-01 19:23:50	MrElendig	virtx: pyenv
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2022-02-01 19:24:08	MrElendig	virtx: sounds like a xyproblem though
2022-02-01 19:24:20	◣	xoan (~xoan@user/xoan) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-02-01 19:24:21	ℹ 	xoan8 es conocido ahora como xoan
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2022-02-01 19:24:45	colo	chazy, mine are   HOOKS=(base udev autodetect modconf block filesystems keyboard fsck)
2022-02-01 19:24:51	teraflops	chazy: tried to boot with the fallback initramfs?
2022-02-01 19:24:54	lambda	chazy: it's a normal USB keyboard and it works on the installation medium?
2022-02-01 19:25:11	MrElendig	virtx: what do you need pyjq for and what are the actual errors?
2022-02-01 19:25:45	virtx	MrElendig pyenv needs that the python version X is isntalled too, I have py3.10 only installed, but I need to run a tool that works on <=3.9, so I'd like to run it in a pyenv without install py3.9 on my machine
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2022-02-01 19:26:18	MrElendig	pyenv is for installing multiple python versions in $HOME
2022-02-01 19:26:23	virtx	MrElendig, pyjq is a dependece for another package
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2022-02-01 19:26:52	DigitalKiwi	https://dpaste.org/5eX3
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2022-02-01 19:26:55	phrik	Title: dpaste/5eX3 (Plain Text) (at dpaste.org)
2022-02-01 19:26:55	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oHtp.txt
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2022-02-01 19:27:18	The-Compiler	I just use the AUR to get different Python versions
2022-02-01 19:27:56	lambda	virtx: are you sure you can't just `pacman -S python-jq`?
2022-02-01 19:28:05	The-Compiler	python3{6,7,8,9,11} all installed :D
2022-02-01 19:28:13	BrainDamage	virtx: you're still xy'ing, what's the tool?
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2022-02-01 19:28:17	alad	The-Compiler: :O
2022-02-01 19:28:19	chazy	teraflops: the keyboard doesn't turn on, only the mouse, if only i was using refind or similar... but grub only works with keyboard
2022-02-01 19:28:29	taktaktak	hello, can someone help me with a problem with installing a DM? I'm new to arch
2022-02-01 19:28:31	alad	The-Compiler: do you have Legacy Code(tm)
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2022-02-01 19:28:33	chazy	lambda: yes, a normal usb keyboard
2022-02-01 19:28:37	lambda	chazy: oh so it's not even working in grub?
2022-02-01 19:28:40	taktaktak	whenever i install one, i get the error "Failed to start session"
2022-02-01 19:28:43	taktaktak	when i log in
2022-02-01 19:28:50	MrElendig	taktaktak: more info needed
2022-02-01 19:28:59	taktaktak	MrElendig: what info do you need?
2022-02-01 19:29:03	chazy	lambda: for some reason it doesn't even turn on after POSTing
2022-02-01 19:29:06	taktaktak	i just installed for the first time
2022-02-01 19:29:10	MrElendig	which dm it is, full error log etc
2022-02-01 19:29:14	The-Compiler	alad: yeah, qutebrowser still runs on Python 3.6 because I want to do another release before the 3.0.0 release where I'll drop it (and also introduce support for Qt 6 which will still take a bit)
2022-02-01 19:29:27	teraflops	chazy: you cannot select the fallback image at grub's prompt?
2022-02-01 19:29:32	MrElendig	also sounds like the dm is not the issue but whatever wm/de you are trying to start
2022-02-01 19:29:33	taktaktak	i created a user with useradd, now i also tried bringing the user to homectl i still get this
2022-02-01 19:29:37	taktaktak	i tried with different DMs
2022-02-01 19:29:45	taktaktak	but like LightDM, SDDM etc
2022-02-01 19:29:46	chazy	teraflops: no
2022-02-01 19:30:06	DigitalKiwi	nix-shell -p 'python38.withPackages (ps: [ ps.jq ])'
2022-02-01 19:30:07	taktaktak	i was getting errors before when i was doing 'systemctl status lightdm' for example
2022-02-01 19:30:15	taktaktak	but now i get no errors anymore
2022-02-01 19:30:18	taktaktak	and it just doesn't work
2022-02-01 19:30:27	MrElendig	read the session log
2022-02-01 19:30:32	taktaktak	i haven't installed a de
2022-02-01 19:30:34	taktaktak	or wm
2022-02-01 19:30:42	taktaktak	MrElendig: how?
2022-02-01 19:30:46	MrElendig	then what do you expect your dm to start?
2022-02-01 19:31:06	taktaktak	the lightdm starts for example, i get a login screen
2022-02-01 19:31:07	MrElendig	if you have no wm/de, then obviously it will fail to log in
2022-02-01 19:31:11	taktaktak	but it says failed to start session
2022-02-01 19:31:19	DigitalKiwi	agetty
2022-02-01 19:31:22	MrElendig	install whatever wm/de you want to use
2022-02-01 19:31:36	MrElendig	and select it in the dm when you log in
2022-02-01 19:31:38	taktaktak	ah ok so i need to install them both first
2022-02-01 19:31:49	taktaktak	ok i'll try that and get back to you
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2022-02-01 19:31:51	taktaktak	btw one more thing
2022-02-01 19:32:03	taktaktak	when i had just created a user with useradd, in the dm i would get the profile name autofilled
2022-02-01 19:32:16	taktaktak	ever since i moved the user to homectl i get empty fields now
2022-02-01 19:32:21	taktaktak	is that a problem or is that normal?
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2022-02-01 19:34:16	teraflops	root^
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2022-02-01 19:34:29	gehidore	I used to set my user to root
2022-02-01 19:34:36	gehidore	then some asshat +b'd root@*
2022-02-01 19:34:47	Gagis	"Note that systemd-homed.service and homectl will not manage "classic" UNIX user accounts as created with useradd(8) or similar tools. " says the homed man page and it also says they dont show up in /etc/passwd
2022-02-01 19:35:10	Gagis	but I guess they know what they are doing
2022-02-01 19:35:22	lambda	Gagis: didn't sound like it
2022-02-01 19:35:33	lambda	chazy: are you sure the keyboard works?
2022-02-01 19:35:47	lambda	can you enter your firmware setup with it?
2022-02-01 19:37:43	◣	heat (~heat@sortix/contributor/heat) ha salido (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2022-02-01 19:45:08	svenstaro	Moved new nvidia to official repos just now, see how it works for you guys. I tested it and everything seems absolutely fine.
2022-02-01 19:45:08	Khorne	Everything is on fire
2022-02-01 19:45:08	svenstaro	actually seems fine :P
2022-02-01 19:45:08	Khorne	Well it is winter
2022-02-01 19:45:08	svenstaro	not in Australia it's not
2022-02-01 19:45:08	Gagis	I don't have a fallback intrd image and am booting directly with efistub, lets go, its time to live dangerously!
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2022-02-01 19:45:08	Khorne	svenstaro: ist that the 511.xx line?
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2022-02-01 19:45:08	svenstaro	510
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2022-02-01 19:45:08	svenstaro	does 511 even exist?
2022-02-01 19:45:08	Khorne	Uh, Windows? I think? 
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2022-02-01 19:45:08	Khorne	But ye, 510 seems about right, let's see what happens
2022-02-01 19:45:08	svenstaro	ah well they only somewhat follow eawch other among OSes
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2022-02-01 19:45:08	svenstaro	windows driver features don't really matter in terms of the versions on linux
2022-02-01 19:45:08	Khorne	No, thats true
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2022-02-01 19:45:08	svenstaro	I found that Linux gets new features of the windows drivers approx a year later
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2022-02-01 19:45:08	svenstaro	Which is about 2 years earlier than the equivalent AMD drivers :p
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2022-02-01 19:45:25	Khorne	*shrug* I never had much of an issue with the nvidia drivers, on a technical level
2022-02-01 19:45:42	svenstaro	No they actually work great
2022-02-01 19:45:52	Khorne	Yep
2022-02-01 19:46:16	svenstaro	I mean it'd be great if they were open source but eh
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2022-02-01 19:46:53	svenstaro	who am I to question the wise binary blob
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2022-02-01 19:46:57	Khorne	praise
2022-02-01 19:47:32	Gagis	their development practices are horrid and any new features like wayland support is like pulling teeth but once you have it working they do render pretty things with good performance
2022-02-01 19:47:35	svenstaro	praise be praise be
2022-02-01 19:48:02	Gagis	whenever I have heard nvidia mentioned near a kernel maintainer there have been bad words
2022-02-01 19:48:28	ketchupicecream2	Cause they are bad 
2022-02-01 19:48:31	svenstaro	sounds about right
2022-02-01 19:48:35	Khorne	To be fair Wayland is pretty shit
2022-02-01 19:48:42	svenstaro	it took them like a decade to get beyond opencl 1.1
2022-02-01 19:48:44	Khorne	So i don't really care
2022-02-01 19:48:53	svenstaro	oooooh snap
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2022-02-01 19:49:22	Khorne	But yea, works
2022-02-01 19:49:26	Khorne	510
2022-02-01 19:49:28	Khorne	wooow
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2022-02-01 19:49:51	svenstaro	rejoice
2022-02-01 19:50:05	Gagis	not in my local mirror yet, cant break my box
2022-02-01 19:50:29	Khorne	Oh snap, if the power consumption measurement is accurate from nvidia-smi then Linux is a pretty ecological OS
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2022-02-01 19:52:53	DigitalKiwi	yeah, nobody uses it
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2022-02-01 19:54:42	Khorne	Noice
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2022-02-01 20:11:54	rcf	It's easy to be ecological when the battery dies fast enough to prevent any work from happening at all. 
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2022-02-01 20:15:23	engys	thanks lordheavy for quickly patching lcms2 8)
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2022-02-01 20:20:10	⚡ 	teraflops updates nvidia
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2022-02-01 20:21:01	⚡ 	gehidore doesn't
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2022-02-01 20:21:32	teraflops	when installing nvidia there is a message that says: nvidia driver taints your karma
2022-02-01 20:21:35	engys	ups I meant thanks eworm, anyway you guys rock
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2022-02-01 20:25:31	engys	teraflops: maybe but it has optix instead of not existing hip support
2022-02-01 20:26:43	teraflops	NVIDIA OptiX™ Ray Tracing Engine ;)
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2022-02-01 20:28:05	brjl	!nvidia
2022-02-01 20:28:06	phrik	See <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA> (proprietary driver) and <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Nouveau> (open-source)
2022-02-01 20:28:10	brjl	Aww
2022-02-01 20:28:23	brjl	I was waiting for something snarky
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2022-02-01 20:29:16	chazy	lambda: the keyboard works, its the one i'm using rn and before too, how do i enter the firmware setup?
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2022-02-01 20:29:56	lambda	chazy: dunno, depends on your mainboard, probably Esc/Del/F10 or something during boot
2022-02-01 20:30:11	lambda	or, if on EFI, set the nextboot to jump straight into the setup
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2022-02-01 20:30:52	teraflops	chazy: does the keyboard work with the arch iso?
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2022-02-01 20:31:28	chazy	lambda: oh you mean the uefi settings
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2022-02-01 20:31:49	chazy	teraflops: yes, i installed arch with this keyboard
2022-02-01 20:32:17	teraflops	hmm, then I guess you are missing stuff in your mkinitcpio.conf
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2022-02-01 20:32:28	lambda	teraflops: but it's already broken in grub
2022-02-01 20:32:36	teraflops	yeah that's weird
2022-02-01 20:32:36	chazy	lambda: but only when it works, when the leds don't turn on it's like the mobo doesn't detect it at all
2022-02-01 20:32:43	lambda	chazy: UEFI or BIOS boot?
2022-02-01 20:32:58	chazy	i disabled CSM so it's UEFI only
2022-02-01 20:33:05	teraflops	chazy: you used the archknstall script?
2022-02-01 20:33:08	chazy	CMS i think
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2022-02-01 20:33:19	Foxboron	weltio: sorry, I got busy. Did you solve it?
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2022-02-01 20:33:34	chazy	teraflops: no, i memorized the wiki steps, i install arch manually
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2022-02-01 20:33:56	MortimerHoughton	I'm getting a "HTTP/1.1 426 Upgrade Required" error in w3m on certain websites after my latest upgrade.  Anyone else?
2022-02-01 20:34:04	thunder	anyone know why when I use `dd` to zero out a file it makes it twice the size intended? are my calculations off or something? https://termbin.com/8mp6
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2022-02-01 20:36:54	lambda	thunder: can't reproduce
2022-02-01 20:37:09	thunder	hmm
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2022-02-01 20:37:47	lambda	can't explain it either fwiw
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2022-02-01 20:38:17	thunder	it's probably OT here anyway since this is an archlinux channel. I just find you guys the most knowledgable and helpful, so figured I'd try.
2022-02-01 20:38:32	thunder	thanks for giving it a shot
2022-02-01 20:38:41	lambda	thunder: shame! D:
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2022-02-01 20:39:22	lambda	at least mention that you're not even on the relevant distro when you come here with problems...
2022-02-01 20:39:53	teraflops	thunder: which fs is this?
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2022-02-01 20:40:36	thunder	xfs
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2022-02-01 20:41:46	thunder	it's not really an arch question. I'm gonna troubleshoot it more myself and see what's going on. maybe `dd` is just ignoring the byte size and using 512 instead of 1024 as I told it to. might just be a bug in the version I have
2022-02-01 20:41:58	teraflops	chaky: are you using a usb hib or similar? did you try to plug the keyb in a different usb port?
2022-02-01 20:42:28	teraflops	they left?
2022-02-01 20:43:12	weltio	Foxboron: yes
2022-02-01 20:43:17	weltio	Foxboron: thx
2022-02-01 20:43:26	Foxboron	weltio: what was the issue?
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2022-02-01 20:43:34	weltio	Foxboron: layer 8
2022-02-01 20:43:41	teraflops	heh
2022-02-01 20:43:52	Foxboron	Yeah but I'd like to know the issue so I can keep a little note about what people tend to be confused by
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2022-02-01 20:44:06	Foxboron	Secure Boot stuff isn't easy, so fucking it up or getting confused is normal
2022-02-01 20:44:50	weltio	Foxboron: it seems it was caused by "-e -f pk.auth PK" instead of just "-f pk.auth PK"
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2022-02-01 20:45:29	Foxboron	right
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2022-02-01 20:45:35	Foxboron	I'll still just recommend you use sbctl
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2022-02-01 20:45:43	weltio	but tbh the message is a bit misleading :D
2022-02-01 20:45:44	Foxboron	then you dont need to care about this
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2022-02-01 20:45:52	Foxboron	efi-update var is... terrible
2022-02-01 20:45:53	lambda	I'm so glad secure boot on my work laptop just works now and I dread the day when it will inevitably break
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2022-02-01 20:47:04	Khorne	As vendor configured it usually works, it only gets fiddly when you enroll your own keys and sign your own stuff
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2022-02-01 20:47:34	Foxboron	Not with sbctl!
2022-02-01 20:47:38	lambda	for better or worse, I didn't get a vendor configured arch ;)
2022-02-01 20:48:50	Khorne	lambda, vendor configured UEFI..
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2022-02-01 20:50:08	lambda	you'll still have to enroll your own keys if you don't want to add your kernel hash back to shim after every update, right?
2022-02-01 20:50:10	weltio	Foxboron: i really like the idea of sbctl =) but my intention was actually to implement the stuff by myself - also for the learning effect
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2022-02-01 20:50:34	weltio	lambda: pacman hook?
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2022-02-01 20:51:16	lambda	weltio: I thought the whole point of shim was that it requires user interaction to enroll hashes/keys
2022-02-01 20:51:19	Foxboron	weltio: tell me about it :p I wrote everything handling UEFI in userspace in Linux from scratch
2022-02-01 20:51:48	Foxboron	lambda: the point of the shim is to have a user-friendly way to have secure boot enabled
2022-02-01 20:51:56	Foxboron	it's a backdoor, not really about authentication
2022-02-01 20:53:14	lambda	Foxboron: sure, but unless you have a signing key enrolled, you can't just enable secure-booting of arbitrary binaries from the OS
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2022-02-01 20:53:28	lambda	unless there's a backdoor to the backdoor :)
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2022-02-01 20:54:25	ℹ 	indux1 es conocido ahora como indux
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2022-02-01 20:55:26	lambda	I don't really understand how the shim ever managed to get signed by microsoft's(?) key, doesn't it kind of defeat the whole point of secure boot?
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2022-02-01 20:55:54	lambda	not that the whole things isn't a totally broken farce anyway
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2022-02-01 20:57:25	urawotlol	*dumps keys from TPM*
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2022-02-01 21:00:01	Foxboron	lambda: No, it's the deal Microsoft got to sit on the signing keys
2022-02-01 21:02:06	Foxboron	urawotlol: that's the thing though, the TPM is still the thing you want to trust
2022-02-01 21:02:37	urawotlol	but you cant trust it
2022-02-01 21:02:44	urawotlol	great idea in theory
2022-02-01 21:03:34	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-01 21:04:00	Foxboron	urawotlol: You always need a root of trust. And the TPM is perfectly fine for that
2022-02-01 21:04:24	Foxboron	If you don't want to trust anything, that's for you to decide, but then I'd probably just throw out my computers and go chop wood or something
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2022-02-01 21:05:58	urawotlol	I would like to be able to trust the TPM. its just every other day a new vunerability happens
2022-02-01 21:06:12	urawotlol	you cant patch silicon
2022-02-01 21:06:15	chazy	any idea why networkd-systemd doesnt bring up the network adapter? the logs don't say anything, just that it renames from eth0 to enp4s0, but no errors whatsoever
2022-02-01 21:06:26	◣	Feuermagier (~Feuermagi@user/feuermagier) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-02-01 21:06:37	urawotlol	post your whatever.network file
2022-02-01 21:06:58	Foxboron	urawotlol: The presence of a vuln doesn't imply it's insecure
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2022-02-01 21:09:13	chazy	urawotlol: https://gist.github.com/ChazyTheBest/715f9bb22ed0a73b04638164384873f3
2022-02-01 21:09:37	urawotlol	chazy: DHCP=yes
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2022-02-01 21:10:31	urawotlol	Foxboron: I will do some proper research and see if i change my view of the TPM being a Trojan horse  
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2022-02-01 21:11:12	Foxboron	..good luck?
2022-02-01 21:11:35	urawotlol	chazy: it should be whatever.network not whatever.conf
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2022-02-01 21:12:35	chazy	urawotlol: you're right, but DHCP=true should be ok? i have the same config in another computer and it works
2022-02-01 21:12:46	urawotlol	yes it should be
2022-02-01 21:13:07	urawotlol	see if it works by changing the extension
2022-02-01 21:13:08	chazy	ok thanks for catching that
2022-02-01 21:13:19	chazy	yes, i'm about to test it now
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2022-02-01 21:23:44	TheArcaneBrony	AUR question, can I update someone else's package?
2022-02-01 21:24:09	urawotlol	yes but also no. you need to be added as a maintainer by the current maintainer
2022-02-01 21:24:10	TheArcaneBrony	I'd like to update the discord-development package to 0.0.197
2022-02-01 21:24:18	TheArcaneBrony	Ah, I see
2022-02-01 21:24:27	urawotlol	send them an email
2022-02-01 21:24:57	TheArcaneBrony	well i've marked the package as out-of-date
2022-02-01 21:25:50	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-01 21:26:02	◣	pfeilmann (~pfeilmann@c3po.mahr.pw) ha salido (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat)
2022-02-01 21:26:47	urawotlol	if it stays out of date for 30 days it get abandoned and you can then pick it up (i think)
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2022-02-01 21:27:01	urawotlol	else email SirNapkin
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2022-02-01 21:28:51	lambda	if you file an orphan request on a package that's been marked OOD for a long time it will get auto-accepted instantly
2022-02-01 21:28:59	lambda	at least that's how it was the last time I did that
2022-02-01 21:29:42	TheArcaneBrony	mustve been updated recently since its only one version behind
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2022-02-01 21:29:52	Foucault	does anyone had any issues with the 510 nvidia driver? looks like there's a kernel mismatch when archlinux starts
2022-02-01 21:29:59	Foucault	(out of sync mirror?)
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2022-02-01 21:30:17	Foucault	non-dkms driver
2022-02-01 21:30:39	gumbo	when i type sudo pacman-Syu it do ask mr for s password it iust runs the command. hoe do i fix this?
2022-02-01 21:31:02	gumbo	how*
2022-02-01 21:31:03	Foucault	gumbo: the password might be cached
2022-02-01 21:31:10	Foucault	try sudo -k first
2022-02-01 21:31:24	TheArcaneBrony	aight shot him an email
2022-02-01 21:31:24	gumbo	ok
2022-02-01 21:31:34	Foucault	then try a command with sudo again like "sudo echo foo"
2022-02-01 21:32:01	TheArcaneBrony	tbh i tend to disable sudo auth because i dont have a use for it
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2022-02-01 21:32:27	Foucault	if you still don't get a prompt then sudoers is configured with NOPASSWD
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2022-02-01 21:32:44	Foucault	(for your group or user)
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2022-02-01 21:33:24	gumbo	Foucault: so look at visudo?
2022-02-01 21:33:58	Foucault	yes, check the wiki for details 
2022-02-01 21:34:33	Foucault	assuming you are in the wheel group there should be two entries for %wheel
2022-02-01 21:34:46	Foucault	one with NOPASSWD and one without
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2022-02-01 21:35:19	Foucault	I don't remember how the line looks exactly, check the wiki for specifics
2022-02-01 21:35:38	gumbo	Foucault: yes i looked there is nopasswd and the wheel group
2022-02-01 21:35:44	gumbo	thanks Foucault
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2022-02-01 21:45:07	gumbo	Foucault: looking at suoders file looks like i can install update and some other commands use NOPASSWD removing i have to put in my password
2022-02-01 21:45:16	urawotlol	gumbo: USERHERE ALL=(ALL) ALL
2022-02-01 21:45:38	gumbo	Thanks
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2022-02-01 21:47:34	thunder	lambda: fyi, with some help I figured out what the deal was with that `dd` issue. turns out that using `fallocate` created a sparse file of the expected size, but `dd` filled it and created a bunch of fragmentation which oddly was exactly 2x the intended file size when using `du -h` as opposed to `du -b` (the latter of which showed the correct size). so the solution was to not use `fallocate`
2022-02-01 21:47:35	thunder	first, and thereby no get the fragmentation effect.
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2022-02-01 21:53:23	lambda	thunder: interesting
2022-02-01 21:54:25	thunder	undoubtedly it was a consequence of the very weird filesystem/storage setup on the vps I'm using, but it's good to know these kinds of edge cases and how to avoid them
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2022-02-01 22:06:20	TheArcaneBrony	question
2022-02-01 22:06:25	TheArcaneBrony	whats the best block size for dd?
2022-02-01 22:07:10	TheArcaneBrony	currently using 409600 and its sitting at 9MiB/s with an eta of 16h for 500GB
2022-02-01 22:08:53	BrainDamage	first ask yourself why are you using dd
2022-02-01 22:08:56	CarloWood	The block size is not the problem then.
2022-02-01 22:09:09	CarloWood	9 MiB/s is very slow.
2022-02-01 22:09:39	TheArcaneBrony	im backing up a drive to a file before moving another drive to it so i can put arch on nvme
2022-02-01 22:10:29	TheArcaneBrony	its sata ssd to sata hdd so 9MiB/s is unreasonably slow
2022-02-01 22:10:52	thurstylark	why not just `cat /dev/foo > foo.bak` and let the kernel deal with making it as speedy as possible?
2022-02-01 22:11:09	TheArcaneBrony	fair
2022-02-01 22:11:12	thurstylark	or pv instead if you want a progress bar
2022-02-01 22:11:20	TheArcaneBrony	im piping pv into dd
2022-02-01 22:11:34	CarloWood	wut
2022-02-01 22:11:44	CarloWood	what is your commandline?
2022-02-01 22:11:55	TheArcaneBrony	oh yeah piping pv into a file directly is a bit faster
2022-02-01 22:11:56	thurstylark	too many pieces. just `pv /dev/foo > foo.bak`
2022-02-01 22:12:19	TheArcaneBrony	yeah i was doing `pv /dev/foo -B 409600 | dd of=myfile`
2022-02-01 22:12:47	CarloWood	that looks silly
2022-02-01 22:12:55	TheArcaneBrony	just `pv /dev/foo > myfile` isnt much faster
2022-02-01 22:13:06	TheArcaneBrony	averaging around 3-7MiB/s
2022-02-01 22:14:01	TheArcaneBrony	guessing ntfs writes are slow?
2022-02-01 22:15:27	BrainDamage	yes,
2022-02-01 22:15:50	BrainDamage	the performance is approx 1000x slower than windows, for same hw
2022-02-01 22:15:59	TheArcaneBrony	ah
2022-02-01 22:16:06	BrainDamage	the ntfs driver is more to have access, rather than a daily driver
2022-02-01 22:16:34	TheArcaneBrony	id be better off booting into windows, shrinking the drive, making an ext4 partition and using that, no?
2022-02-01 22:16:51	CarloWood	OOOhhhhh ntfs lol
2022-02-01 22:17:02	TheArcaneBrony	i do hope ntfs performance gets better over time tbh
2022-02-01 22:17:02	CarloWood	Then be happy with your 9 MB/s
2022-02-01 22:17:06	mefistofeles	hey, native ntfs support is coming 
2022-02-01 22:17:13	TheArcaneBrony	im using the kernel's ntfs driver soo
2022-02-01 22:17:16	CarloWood	Why on earth are you using ntfs on linux?
2022-02-01 22:17:16	TheArcaneBrony	not ntfs-3g
2022-02-01 22:17:21	mefistofeles	TheArcaneBrony: oh okay :P
2022-02-01 22:17:36	TheArcaneBrony	because im installing linux on my desktop because im tired of dealing with windows' bs
2022-02-01 22:17:47	TheArcaneBrony	never ran anything else outside of windows
2022-02-01 22:17:50	rcf	Did the new NTFS driver get merged yet 
2022-02-01 22:17:55	TheArcaneBrony	iirc yes
2022-02-01 22:18:06	TheArcaneBrony	theres ntfs and ntfs3g both available so
2022-02-01 22:18:21	TheArcaneBrony	imma just shrink the partition by 500gigs
2022-02-01 22:18:24	mefistofeles	those are not native
2022-02-01 22:18:24	rcf	There was an older kernel ntfs driver that sucked 
2022-02-01 22:18:36	TheArcaneBrony	booting into windows rn to shrink the drive
2022-02-01 22:18:45	TheArcaneBrony	partition* my bad
2022-02-01 22:18:58	rcf	Though 9MB/s is a bit ridiculous even by ntfs-3g standards 
2022-02-01 22:20:49	CarloWood	My nvme is doing 500 MB/s
2022-02-01 22:24:03	TheArcaneBrony	i mounted with -t nfts
2022-02-01 22:24:20	TheArcaneBrony	god damn i cant shrink by that much coz i need to defrag first
2022-02-01 22:24:25	svenstaro	those are rookie numbers!
2022-02-01 22:24:46	TheArcaneBrony	mine can do 3500MB/s
2022-02-01 22:24:57	BrainDamage	TheArcaneBrony: you could just copy the files with rsync and include full attributes
2022-02-01 22:25:13	BrainDamage	ah, wait, nvm, target is ntfs
2022-02-01 22:25:16	⚡ 	thurstylark had to do a double-take because his brain read s/rookie/cookie/ for some reason :P
2022-02-01 22:25:19	BrainDamage	maybe tar it?
2022-02-01 22:26:06	BrainDamage	or maybe create a sparse image, so it can skip through the gaps
2022-02-01 22:26:44	TheArcaneBrony	im currently defragging in windows so i can shrink the partition to whatever free space
2022-02-01 22:27:20	svenstaro	those are cookie numbers!
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2022-02-01 22:52:28	TheArcaneBrony	i hate filesystems sometimes ffs
2022-02-01 22:52:29	Hello71	the new one is -t ntfs3, not ntfs or "nfts"
2022-02-01 22:52:47	Hello71	cat /dev/sda > /dev/bitcoin
2022-02-01 22:53:12	TheArcaneBrony	oh? i thought ntfs3 was ntfs-3g?
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2022-02-01 22:57:11	Earnestly	BrainDamage: It is very sad that pax(1) isn't more common over tar
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2022-02-01 22:58:22	lmat	What's wrong with the arch wiki? Lots of blank space on left and right of article https://imgur.com/a/VuIVwgN
2022-02-01 22:58:22	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
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2022-02-01 23:01:08	Earnestly	BrainDamage: It can do these sorts of things quite a lot more nicely, pax -rw src dest
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2022-02-02 12:40:35	TheArcaneBrony	or would i be better off piping thru xz?
2022-02-02 12:40:38	thrice	I'm not a big benchmark person, but none come to mind as obviously "faster" than others
2022-02-02 12:40:39	Khorne	They all can saturate HDD speeds
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2022-02-02 12:40:58	TheArcaneBrony	so i guess my best bet is piping into xz?
2022-02-02 12:41:05	thrice	what?
2022-02-02 12:41:15	Khorne	No idea, xz isn't a filesystem
2022-02-02 12:41:19	thrice	piping what?
2022-02-02 12:41:34	TheArcaneBrony	well im trying to back up an ssd to a hdd
2022-02-02 12:42:08	thrice	adding a compression step sounds slower, not faster
2022-02-02 12:42:24	TheArcaneBrony	fair enough
2022-02-02 12:42:29	thrice	but
2022-02-02 12:42:31	thrice	!tias
2022-02-02 12:42:31	phrik	Try It And See™
2022-02-02 12:42:36	TheArcaneBrony	i was dealing with 5-10MiB/s earlier soo
2022-02-02 12:42:44	Khorne	Not if you write it compressed too
2022-02-02 12:42:50	TheArcaneBrony	because ntfs fstype slow
2022-02-02 12:43:05	Khorne	Because you're writing less data then :')
2022-02-02 12:43:11	Earnestly	TheArcaneBrony: fastest is safety features disabled, but ext4 is good at small files, xfs is good at big.  For hdd, lowest lzo compression might be faster, if great cpu maybe higher levels work.  Test with small file
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2022-02-02 12:43:34	Earnestly	small file set*
2022-02-02 12:43:35	TheArcaneBrony	yeah im dealing with 500GB single file
2022-02-02 12:43:43	TheArcaneBrony	for this usecase
2022-02-02 12:43:59	Earnestly	it doesn't matter too much because hdd won't sync, lots of cache
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2022-02-02 12:44:26	Earnestly	also if input not compressible then compression won't help
2022-02-02 12:44:31	TheArcaneBrony	64MB iirc
2022-02-02 12:44:34	Earnestly	in reducing number of bytes that need to be sent
2022-02-02 12:44:48	TheArcaneBrony	also input is an ntfs drive
2022-02-02 12:45:01	Earnestly	But test with smaller file and see, make experiment
2022-02-02 12:45:23	TheArcaneBrony	guess my best bet is to just write the file without compression to ext4?
2022-02-02 12:45:46	Earnestly	lz4 < ntfs/infile | lz4 -dc > dest/outfile
2022-02-02 12:46:04	Earnestly	Make experiment, see what you get
2022-02-02 12:46:16	Earnestly	cat ntfs/infile > dest/outfile # give you baseline
2022-02-02 12:46:18	thrice	yeah, there's gotta be a tradeoff point
2022-02-02 12:46:29	TheArcaneBrony	i think ill just stick to `pv /dev/myolddisk > /mynewpartition/somefile`
2022-02-02 12:46:30	Earnestly	Two lines on graph, at some point they cross
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2022-02-02 12:48:20	Earnestly	if transfering device, dd might be better with bs= values, as while cp and such use optimal 128k, that only optimal for in memory transfer it seems.  Real world test on slow hdd show that bs makes difference
2022-02-02 12:48:43	TheArcaneBrony	not really a slow hdd
2022-02-02 12:48:54	Earnestly	device might be very compressible too, as usually lots of zeros unless it was urandomed
2022-02-02 12:48:55	TheArcaneBrony	its a wd blue 5400rpm, ive seen 100+ MB/s on these before
2022-02-02 12:49:03	Earnestly	that is quite slow
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2022-02-02 12:49:13	Earnestly	But it doesn't seem to matter that much
2022-02-02 12:49:35	TheArcaneBrony	i wonder if its possible to mount compressed disk images under linux?
2022-02-02 12:49:42	Ghosthree3	in the time it takes to find the fastest method youi could have done cat /dev/sda > disk.img already
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2022-02-02 12:50:17	TheArcaneBrony	its possible to mount compressed images, right?
2022-02-02 12:50:25	TheArcaneBrony	i dont mind using loop filesystems for i t
2022-02-02 12:51:14	Earnestly	squashfs
2022-02-02 12:52:12	Earnestly	I don't think you care much about this problem as not willing to experiment, so it seems like one-off job.  doesn't matter too much, go have coffee while it works
2022-02-02 12:52:33	TheArcaneBrony	yeah no the ETA before was 17 hours
2022-02-02 12:54:23	TheArcaneBrony	well yeah its a one-off job
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2022-02-02 12:54:48	Earnestly	no worry then, just leave it going and do something else
2022-02-02 12:54:53	TheArcaneBrony	im only doing all this in order to be able to throw windows aside
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2022-02-02 12:55:35	TheArcaneBrony	anyways, any recommended ways of zero-ing empty space in windows?
2022-02-02 12:56:15	TheArcaneBrony	i do have WSL available so i could try using DD with if=/dev/zero
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2022-02-02 12:56:51	Earnestly	ntfsclone
2022-02-02 12:57:13	Earnestly	dd way is just to make massive file full of zero until run out of space, then remove file
2022-02-02 12:57:49	TheArcaneBrony	well yeah i'd like to do it in the bg coz on a 1TB partition its gonna take a while
2022-02-02 12:58:04	Earnestly	Also this does not work on ssd
2022-02-02 12:58:23	Earnestly	Hm, on filesystem level I'm not sure
2022-02-02 12:59:10	TheArcaneBrony	yeah no SSDs have trim
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2022-02-02 13:00:27	Earnestly	Why do all debian and debian-based package websites show package details but never display upstream links and link to package source clearly
2022-02-02 13:00:34	Earnestly	Always nightmare to use these pages
2022-02-02 13:01:31	thrice	are you looking at the "source" link for the package?
2022-02-02 13:01:39	thrice	eg, https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/firefox
2022-02-02 13:01:40	phrik	Title: Debian -- Details of source package firefox in sid (at packages.debian.org)
2022-02-02 13:02:27	thrice	eek, nvm, gotta run
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2022-02-02 13:03:08	TheArcaneBrony	well
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2022-02-02 13:03:19	TheArcaneBrony	https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/firefox
2022-02-02 13:03:58	TheArcaneBrony	its interesting their gitlab instance is at salsa.debian.org
2022-02-02 13:04:23	Earnestly	thrice: yeah it always confusing, I have to relearn everytime.  It's "developer information" link in sidebar
2022-02-02 13:04:34	Earnestly	Should remember this
2022-02-02 13:04:37	TheArcaneBrony	https://salsa.debian.org/mozilla-team/firefox
2022-02-02 13:04:42	TheArcaneBrony	and yeah
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2022-02-02 13:11:37	TheArcaneBrony_	why is windows such a pain to deal with
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2022-02-02 13:12:00	MacGyver	Because you don't run it in a VM.
2022-02-02 13:12:13	MacGyver	(Or maybe you do)
2022-02-02 13:12:32	TheArcaneBrony_	nah
2022-02-02 13:12:36	TheArcaneBrony_	its running baremetal rn
2022-02-02 13:12:52	TheArcaneBrony_	still trying to reorganise a disk so i can move it to another drive so i can put arch on my nvme
2022-02-02 13:13:13	MacGyver	Can't you just shrink it from within Windows?
2022-02-02 13:13:22	MacGyver	To barely larger than the currently used size?
2022-02-02 13:13:23	TheArcaneBrony_	shrink whta?
2022-02-02 13:13:31	MacGyver	Whatever partitions Windows currently lives on.
2022-02-02 13:13:36	TheArcaneBrony_	nope
2022-02-02 13:13:44	TheArcaneBrony_	its 400GB formatted, 3.3GB free
2022-02-02 13:14:01	MacGyver	Then I'm not sure why you're asking about zero-filling :P
2022-02-02 13:14:15	TheArcaneBrony_	well
2022-02-02 13:14:19	TheArcaneBrony_	let me try to explain
2022-02-02 13:14:35	TheArcaneBrony_	i have this old ssd from my network boot server, that i want to move my windows install to, but that also contains windows
2022-02-02 13:15:15	TheArcaneBrony_	so im backing up that old ssd to an image on yet another drive, but windows wont let me shrink more then 170 GB to put an ext4 partition there
2022-02-02 13:15:42	TheArcaneBrony_	when i try writing to the ntfs partition as is, i get a write speed of 5-10 MiB/s
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2022-02-02 13:18:00	TheArcaneBrony_	https://i.imgur.com/lY43TEq.png
2022-02-02 13:18:05	TheArcaneBrony_	maybe this will explain better
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2022-02-02 13:20:42	TheArcaneBrony_	the end goal is to keep the current C drive bootable on the current G drive
2022-02-02 13:20:47	TheArcaneBrony_	the current G drive doesnt need to remain bootable, hence im gonna store it as a file
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2022-02-02 13:23:30	teraflops	TheArcaneBrony_: it looks like a windows issue, maybe you'll have more luck asking in a windows related channel
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2022-02-02 13:25:33	TheArcaneBrony_	any suggestions for windows channels?
2022-02-02 13:25:42	teraflops	I have no idea
2022-02-02 13:25:54	teraflops	try msg alis
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2022-02-02 13:26:04	TheArcaneBrony_	theres #windows but idk how much support i can get there
2022-02-02 13:26:12	teraflops	!tias
2022-02-02 13:26:13	phrik	Try It And See™
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2022-02-02 13:28:04	TheArcaneBrony_	lets see if i get a response at all
2022-02-02 13:28:14	TheArcaneBrony_	379 users online
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2022-02-02 13:31:42	labrador	Oh yeah I am banned in ##apple and #windows...
2022-02-02 13:31:59	labrador	Not that it matters...I don't use those systems anyway
2022-02-02 13:32:19	Ghosthree3	i imagine both those systems have more support on discord or something
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2022-02-02 13:35:27	teraflops	labrador: you say that as it was something to be proud of
2022-02-02 13:36:43	labrador	teraflops, it kindof is...
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2022-02-02 15:36:26	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1450 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1450 normals)
2022-02-02 15:29:58	TheArcaneBrony	holy fuck, finally made enough free space on that drive
2022-02-02 15:30:02	TheArcaneBrony	now i can actually just delete the partition
2022-02-02 15:36:26	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-02 15:38:25	rassawyer	I usually work from CLI, but I use alacritty inside sway. ( I need a few gui programs, so working from tty isn't an option.)
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2022-02-02 15:41:03	rassawyer	I use tmux pretty heavily, but when I leave sway, and return to tty, it seems like tmux corrupts things, to where I can't enter commands, etc
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2022-02-02 15:41:03	rassawyer	so far, my solution has been to switch to a new tty, login, and then killall login. this works, but is a pain. (killall tmux says no process found.)
2022-02-02 15:41:03	rassawyer	where do I start trying to troubleshoot this?
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2022-02-02 15:45:24	TheArcaneBrony	recommended cluster size for modern drives?
2022-02-02 15:45:31	TheArcaneBrony	or does mkfs autodetect this?
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2022-02-02 15:47:20	TheArcaneBrony	eh ill just go with the default 4K
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2022-02-02 15:47:49	rassawyer	yeah, mkfs defaults should be good, unless you are doing something arcane
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2022-02-02 15:48:16	TheArcaneBrony	writing large files rn lol
2022-02-02 15:48:19	mpan	TheArcaneBrony: you mean for NTFS?
2022-02-02 15:48:21	TheArcaneBrony	but it doesnt really matter
2022-02-02 15:48:26	TheArcaneBrony	nah, ext4
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2022-02-02 15:50:07	TheArcaneBrony	somehow not much faster then ntfs?
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2022-02-02 15:55:10	TheArcaneBrony	using `cat /dev/mydev > /mountpoint/someimg`
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2022-02-02 15:56:36	TheArcaneBrony	seems to be around 10MB/s
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2022-02-02 15:59:04	mpan	TheArcaneBrony: you could just do `cp` instad of cat and redirection, avoiding at least some overhead. Though that overhead should be close to zero, so the speed is weird.
2022-02-02 15:59:13	mpan	TheArcaneBrony: are you copying from the same device to the same device?
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2022-02-02 15:59:31	TheArcaneBrony	no, from one device to another
2022-02-02 15:59:39	mpan	Literall two different physical disks?
2022-02-02 15:59:47	TheArcaneBrony	using dd with bs=4M it seems to be around 14MB/s and dropping
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2022-02-02 15:59:54	TheArcaneBrony	yep two different disks
2022-02-02 15:59:57	mpan	Do not even mention `dd`, thre is no need for that.
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2022-02-02 16:00:27	TheArcaneBrony	dd with bs=4M is the same speed
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2022-02-02 16:00:30	mpan	And erase the connection between anything disk-related and word `dd` from your brain. ;)
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2022-02-02 16:00:48	TheArcaneBrony	whats wrong with dd?
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2022-02-02 16:01:03	mpan	Is anything else reading/writing to any of those devices at the same time?
2022-02-02 16:01:08	TheArcaneBrony	nope
2022-02-02 16:01:18	TheArcaneBrony	im doing it off the arch install iso
2022-02-02 16:01:23	mpan	Those are HDDs or SDDs, right? Not an USB stick?
2022-02-02 16:01:28	TheArcaneBrony	yes
2022-02-02 16:01:33	TheArcaneBrony	copying a sata ssd to a hdd
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2022-02-02 16:02:06	mpan	The nno idea, what could be wrong. Other than the destination filesystem is nearly full and, possibly, heavily fragmented.
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2022-02-02 16:02:22	TheArcaneBrony	as for specs: ryzen 5 3600 with 3200mhz ram, so that definately shouldnt be a bottleneck
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2022-02-02 16:02:30	TheArcaneBrony	the target filesystem is an empty ext4 filesystem
2022-02-02 16:02:53	mpan	Then no idea. CPU and RAM wouldn’t be a bottleneck. Even on a 20yr computer.
2022-02-02 16:03:12	TheArcaneBrony	could be coz i never zero'd the filesystem?
2022-02-02 16:03:16	mpan	No
2022-02-02 16:03:20	TheArcaneBrony	though i doubt it
2022-02-02 16:03:21	TheArcaneBrony	yeah
2022-02-02 16:03:46	mpan	Well, if it’s SSD then not discarding blocks may lead to a bit slower writes. But I doubt it would be 10MB/s.
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2022-02-02 16:04:05	TheArcaneBrony	im absolutely sure im copying the right disk, as that ssd is the only 500GB drive i have
2022-02-02 16:04:10	TheArcaneBrony	the SSD is the source disk
2022-02-02 16:04:11	mpan	But overall the sum of the times spent on discarding and writing would remain the same.
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2022-02-02 16:04:27	kciredor	hi.. is there a proper way to ensure "xset r rate 170 70" for _any_ keyboard connected, usb and bluetooth? I've tried udev rules, but failing at them ;) cannot find a working/proper example by googling - ps: I'm on plain i3, so no Desktop Env which can handle it for me
2022-02-02 16:04:28	TheArcaneBrony	target is a file on ext4 on a hdd
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2022-02-02 16:04:37	mpan	TheArcaneBrony: shouldn’t be any issue. :/
2022-02-02 16:04:46	mpan	So no ideas.
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2022-02-02 16:04:47	ℹ 	xiao es conocido ahora como fishbol
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2022-02-02 16:05:28	TheArcaneBrony	would post images of the screen but this is irc
2022-02-02 16:05:35	TheArcaneBrony	and i dont have an irc client on my phone
2022-02-02 16:06:00	TheArcaneBrony	with pv redirected to a file im seeing 2-4.5 MB/s
2022-02-02 16:06:12	mpan	No need for that. I trust you that you read digits ‘1’ followed by ‘0’ right. :)
2022-02-02 16:06:20	TheArcaneBrony	well im assuming 
2022-02-02 16:06:40	mpan	You restarted that and connected through pv?
2022-02-02 16:06:50	TheArcaneBrony	going by `while true; do clear; df -h /drv; sleep 1; done`
2022-02-02 16:06:53	TheArcaneBrony	either way, yes
2022-02-02 16:07:08	TheArcaneBrony	trying to find the fastest way since 500GB is going to take a while so im trying to find the fastest way
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2022-02-02 16:07:37	mpan	No idea, what could cause that. :/
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2022-02-02 16:08:23	TheArcaneBrony	if only i knew of a windows tool that could block-by-block copy a drive to a file...
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2022-02-02 16:08:28	TheArcaneBrony	and write to ext4
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2022-02-02 16:08:40	TheArcaneBrony	though i could reformat as ntfs, so ext4 isnt a requirement
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2022-02-02 16:09:07	teraflops	there is the command progress
2022-02-02 16:09:35	Hello71	"15:06 <TheArcaneBrony> going by `while true; do clear; df -h /drv; sleep 1; done`" have you considered watch
2022-02-02 16:09:49	Khorne	Have you considered that the target drive is plain shot
2022-02-02 16:09:59	Hello71	maybe
2022-02-02 16:10:08	Khorne	Searching 15s to find a non defective sector
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2022-02-02 16:12:01	TheArcaneBrony	the defective drive is absolutely fine
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2022-02-02 16:12:29	TheArcaneBrony	target drive*
2022-02-02 16:12:31	Khorne	Obviously
2022-02-02 16:12:37	TheArcaneBrony	im fairly certain SMART would throw issues and not show up as "Good" if it werent so
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2022-02-02 16:12:44	Khorne	SMART is a load of crap
2022-02-02 16:12:52	Khorne	Have you benchmarked the disk?
2022-02-02 16:13:07	TheArcaneBrony	i havent
2022-02-02 16:13:16	Khorne	Maybe you should start with that
2022-02-02 16:13:18	TheArcaneBrony	aside on windows, i remember it being 100MB/s+
2022-02-02 16:13:23	Khorne	Clearly
2022-02-02 16:13:34	TheArcaneBrony	how would i do so under linux?
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2022-02-02 16:13:37	Khorne	Was that random reads, writes, seq? Which sector size?
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2022-02-02 16:14:00	TheArcaneBrony	crystaldiskmark default settings
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2022-02-02 16:14:19	Khorne	Which returns at least 4 individual results
2022-02-02 16:14:33	Khorne	That being said, just copy and wait
2022-02-02 16:14:34	TheArcaneBrony	right
2022-02-02 16:14:56	TheArcaneBrony	ETA with pv is 18h
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2022-02-02 16:15:13	Khorne	And?
2022-02-02 16:15:19	Khorne	I scrub my drives for almost this long
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2022-02-02 16:15:53	mpan	Khorne: c’mon, 10MB/s write speed is not a normal situation. It’s expected people are concerned.
2022-02-02 16:16:04	Khorne	mpan, I expect the disk to be defective
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2022-02-02 16:16:18	TheArcaneBrony	its not even this slow on windows
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2022-02-02 16:16:30	Khorne	Which is a reason for concern and definitely a reason to not copy more data to it
2022-02-02 16:16:36	Khorne	TheArcaneBrony, then copy under Windows
2022-02-02 16:16:48	TheArcaneBrony	i was getting 125+ MB/s under windows moving files around that drive
2022-02-02 16:17:01	mpan	TheArcaneBrony: did that include flushing the caches? ;)
2022-02-02 16:17:22	mpan	Copying a few GB of data around is different than a constant stream of tens of GB.
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2022-02-02 16:17:32	TheArcaneBrony	no it didnt, but im talking hundreds of gigs
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2022-02-02 16:17:38	mpan	oh
2022-02-02 16:17:48	TheArcaneBrony	that aside, 64MB cache so i was way over what cache could hold anyways
2022-02-02 16:17:56	Khorne	That is disk cache
2022-02-02 16:18:00	Khorne	Opposed to operating system cache
2022-02-02 16:18:02	mpan	TheArcaneBrony: cache in RAM, not disk cache.
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2022-02-02 16:18:22	mpan	Though I do not know how much Windows uses and what’s its policy on flushing it.
2022-02-02 16:18:30	ℹ 	sengy es conocido ahora como sangy
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2022-02-02 16:22:51	mpan	As for what is wrong with `dd`: purely technically nothing. But seeing a person hearing “disk” and thinking `dd` is like seeing someone hearing “nail” and taking a screwdriver. Sure, one can certainly drive a nail with a screwdriver, but most people would find that weird and prefer a hammer. `dd` has literally nothing to do with disks: is a tool for converting text files and all the
2022-02-02 16:22:51	mpan	“disk 
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2022-02-02 16:22:57	mpan	magic” is Linux’s doing. Except for measuring progress (replaceable by `pv`), it has use only in very limited cases. And a lot of traps.
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2022-02-02 16:23:00	mpan	TheArcaneBrony: ↑
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2022-02-02 16:23:41	Overl	Since the drive with my efi partition apparantly stopped working, I started to reinstall arch, following the install guide on the wiki and choosing grub as my bootloader (AAlso using UEFI to boot). But when I reboot without the live usb inserted nothing shows up in the boot devices
2022-02-02 16:24:13	Miar	Hi guys. I needed some help. My computer does not automatically connect to a wifi network that I had previously connected to on boot.The output of sudo journalctl -b -u NetworkManager is https://pastebin.com/MPb8CpDF. There seem to be some warnings, but I am not sure how relevant they are or how to fix them. U'd really appreciate any help.
2022-02-02 16:24:14	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oHgW.txt
2022-02-02 16:24:47	TheArcaneBrony	huh never knew dd was for files lol
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2022-02-02 16:25:51	TheArcaneBrony	1% complete, eta 19h
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2022-02-02 16:27:36	mpan	TheArcaneBrony: exaggerating a bit: it’s a tool to convert between ASCII and EBCDIC encodings and changing letter case. :)
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2022-02-02 16:34:47	kubast2	Hey, xorg reached osAbort and dumped core on me; 
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2022-02-02 16:34:47	mpan	TheArcaneBrony: with a non-obvious operation and a lot of options that are often copy-pasted on fora/blogs, but very often they either do nothing, the intended operation is coincidence or they don’t damage data by sheer luck. :)
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2022-02-02 16:34:47	TheArcaneBrony	ah
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2022-02-02 16:34:47	Overl	Since the drive with my efi partition apparantly stopped working, I started to reinstall arch, following the install guide on the wiki and choosing grub as my bootloader (AAlso using UEFI to boot). But when I reboot without the live usb inserted nothing shows up in the boot devices. Also in the firmware settings I cant select the drive either. Does uefi not work on nvme drives or did I make some
2022-02-02 16:34:47	Overl	other trivial mistake?
2022-02-02 16:34:47	rassawyer	why can I not scroll back to see previous messages in irssi inside tmux?
2022-02-02 16:34:50	rassawyer	I've tried vi mode, and mouse mode.
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2022-02-02 16:35:04	mpan	I do not count now how many people used the `sync` flag in `CONV` instead of `OFLAG`, which did not damage the data merely because Linux filled the input buffer completely.
2022-02-02 16:35:10	mpan	rassawyer: PgUp/PgDown
2022-02-02 16:35:11	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-02-02 16:35:11	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-02 16:35:11	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1444 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1444 normals)
2022-02-02 16:35:13	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-02 16:35:20	rassawyer	vi mode my cursor runs up as expected, but the view doesn't move. The cursor just runs off the top of the screen
2022-02-02 16:35:29	rassawyer	damn it...
2022-02-02 16:35:41	mpan	irssi handles its own scrollback.
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2022-02-02 16:35:44	rassawyer	I tried that, but I must have been in a different mode when I did
2022-02-02 16:35:49	rassawyer	thanks!!
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2022-02-02 16:40:29	jonathon	random-ish idea about DKMS modules having an implicit requirement for a headers package. has a virtual provides/requires been considered, e.g. linux-headers `provides=(KERNEL-HEADERS)` and nvidia-dkms `requires=(KERNEL-HEADERS)` ? that way all header packages should be presented as installation candidates (i think?)
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2022-02-02 16:41:13	ℹ 	daniel3 es conocido ahora como daniel2
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2022-02-02 16:41:54	Namarrgon	jonathon: provides are for drop-in replacements, which isn't the case for kernel headers
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2022-02-02 16:42:39	jonathon	hmm.. ok
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2022-02-02 16:42:43	⚡ 	jonathon goes back to thinking
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2022-02-02 16:43:10	Namarrgon	having "linux" and "linux-headers" installed would satisfy the above requirement
2022-02-02 16:43:15	Namarrgon	*linux-lts-headers
2022-02-02 16:43:37	jonathon	yup yup
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2022-02-02 16:45:11	jonathon	what about `linux-headers` being an optional dependency for `linux`... ? it's not really a dependency, but it kind of adds functionality :/
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2022-02-02 16:47:54	Namarrgon	that wouldn't help with the dkms "problem"
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2022-02-02 16:48:48	jonathon	yeah. it might indicate the package is needed, but people would still have to look and understand why it's needed, and if they're using DKMS then they should kind of already know
2022-02-02 16:48:58	jonathon	hmm
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2022-02-02 16:50:24	Namarrgon	the problem is that linux does not depend on the headers, the relationship is reversed
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2022-02-02 16:50:52	trygveaa	why is the python-pip package in the repos so out of date?
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2022-02-02 16:51:08	Foxboron	trygveaa: because it vendors stuff that breaks python tooling
2022-02-02 16:51:21	trygveaa	hm
2022-02-02 16:51:56	trygveaa	I searched in bugs, but couldn't find anything about it. Is there anything written about it elsewhere?
2022-02-02 16:52:27	Foxboron	trygveaa: I'd need to track down the poetry issue again
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2022-02-02 16:52:44	TheArcaneBrony	progress update: 3% complete, eta 19h21
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2022-02-02 16:53:45	soren_	simple NetworkManager dispatcher script to launch signal-desktop only when there's internet doesn't work, any ideas? https://0x0.st/oHgU.txt . Error: "Failed to connect to bus: No medium found". The script must be run by root, and I test it by: `sudo script "" "up"` (the dispatcher runs the script fine, just with the error stated)
2022-02-02 16:54:06	mpan	TheArcaneBrony: just put it aside and do something fun or productive. Looking at the progress bar will not sped it up. I tried that many time over the past 20 years. Doesn’t work.
2022-02-02 16:54:22	TheArcaneBrony	i have nothing to do though
2022-02-02 16:54:37	mpan	Find something to do!
2022-02-02 16:54:58	mpan	Progress bars are not scared of humans gazing at them.
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2022-02-02 16:55:21	jonathon	mpan: are you sure? they never seem to move if you look at them
2022-02-02 16:55:24	Khorne	soren_, that would be running under the systemd user scope of root?
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2022-02-02 16:55:36	trygveaa	Foxboron: poetry issue? how does poetry relate to the arch packages?
2022-02-02 16:55:54	Foxboron	trygveaa: they are all Arch packages?
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2022-02-02 16:56:07	gr33n7007h	where can i check for status for ruby 3.1 package?
2022-02-02 16:56:23	soren_	Khorne: not sure, but I get the same error from: `sudo systemctl status NetworkManager-dispatcher.service`
2022-02-02 16:56:28	mpan	jonathon: yes. They are not only not scared of you, but intentionally annoy you.
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2022-02-02 16:56:51	trygveaa	oh, so pip has to be held back because of the poetry package?
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2022-02-02 16:57:05	jonathon	-.-
2022-02-02 16:57:12	soren_	i know it's run in a restrictive environment so i try to import those as commented out in the pastebin but it doesn't help
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2022-02-02 17:00:24	TheArcaneBrony	oh cool the discord-development package got updated today on aur
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2022-02-02 17:02:20	Ghosthree3	my system slowly just bloats ram usage and i really cannot find out whats doing it, any suggestions of how i can find out whats eating it? top wont tell me what it is, and ive done drop_caches, still losing about 10G of memory rn into the void
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2022-02-02 17:03:37	TheArcaneBrony	nothing showing up in top/htop?
2022-02-02 17:04:04	mpan	Ghosthree3: the output of `free -h` plase (the memory line).
2022-02-02 17:04:09	Ghosthree3	TheArcaneBrony: nothing that adds up
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2022-02-02 17:04:22	Ghosthree3	mpan: Mem:            31Gi        22Gi       2.4Gi       145Mi       6.3Gi       8.1Gi
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2022-02-02 17:04:51	mpan	The expected amount of memory used is…
2022-02-02 17:04:57	Ghosthree3	even if i close everything i have open except my VM (given 12G ram) it only drops to about 20G used
2022-02-02 17:05:05	Ghosthree3	mpan: like 14-15G maybe
2022-02-02 17:05:42	mpan	In htop, if you look at the Mem bar, does it have any purple bars visible?
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2022-02-02 17:05:58	mpan	Green-Blue-Purple-Yellow
2022-02-02 17:06:12	Ghosthree3	a single purple
2022-02-02 17:06:15	Ghosthree3	out of like 50
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2022-02-02 17:07:52	mpan	See “/proc/meminfo”: if it doesn’t contain any suspiciously large values.
2022-02-02 17:08:14	mpan	Slab in particular.
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2022-02-02 17:08:57	TheArcaneBrony	is there a way to make pacman download but not install updates?
2022-02-02 17:09:15	Ghosthree3	mpan: Slab:             421748 kB
2022-02-02 17:09:16	mpan	TheArcaneBrony: the pacman-contrib package, `sudo checkupdates -d`.
2022-02-02 17:09:24	mpan	Ghosthree3: seems reasonable, not the culprit.
2022-02-02 17:09:26	Scimmia	TheArcaneBrony: see pacman -Sh
2022-02-02 17:09:32	TheArcaneBrony	currently downloading 1GB of updates at 1MB/s
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2022-02-02 17:10:07	Ghosthree3	mpan: tbh im not entirely sure what is big or not, https://0x0.st/oHEX.txt
2022-02-02 17:10:09	TheArcaneBrony	(85 packages)
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2022-02-02 17:13:55	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-02 17:14:03	mpan	Ghosthree3: I faintly recall some situation with DirectMap* values being huge with some virtual machines. Perhaps that’s the culprit?
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2022-02-02 17:14:30	Ghosthree3	mpan: the issue stays if i close the vm, do u know if its persistent or something?
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2022-02-02 17:15:06	mpan	Nope. I only recall seeing something like that on a chat in the past. :/
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2022-02-02 17:16:37	Ghosthree3	i might close everything and drop to tty a bit later to really try and see if anything is still going, the only other thing i can think of is some tmpdir is being ballooned
2022-02-02 17:16:40	Ghosthree3	(its not /tmp)
2022-02-02 17:16:58	Ghosthree3	tmpfs*
2022-02-02 17:17:24	mpan	The question about the purple portion of the htop memory graph was to exclude tmpfs.
2022-02-02 17:17:36	Ghosthree3	ah
2022-02-02 17:17:46	Ghosthree3	well i just du -sh'd any i could see in mount and they add to nothing so yea
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2022-02-02 17:23:33	TheArcaneBrony	that moment when you `pacman -R linux`
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2022-02-02 17:23:53	Ghosthree3	are you lts gang now
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2022-02-02 17:24:24	TheArcaneBrony	nah im on zen
2022-02-02 17:24:29	libc	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNS3#Installation
2022-02-02 17:24:30	phrik	Title: GNS3 - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-02 17:24:37	libc	how to install it if both packages are no longer available in AUR ? 
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2022-02-02 17:25:15	TheArcaneBrony	theyre both available?
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2022-02-02 17:25:52	libc	the two python packages
2022-02-02 17:26:17	TheArcaneBrony	ah
2022-02-02 17:26:24	Scimmia	libc: I would guess that info is out of date. The gns3 packages depend on the normal versions now
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2022-02-02 17:26:53	libc	Scimmia: ok ill try to install without these python packages
2022-02-02 17:26:54	TheArcaneBrony	dkms really slow on my laptop
2022-02-02 17:27:19	---	TheArcaneBrony is now dimmed on liberachat
2022-02-02 17:27:21	TheArcaneBrony	any ideas?
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2022-02-02 17:28:43	TheArcaneBrony	installing dkms packages on updates takes more then 2 minutes
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2022-02-02 17:29:17	Scimmia	it's building modules, it's going to be slow if you have a slow processor/memory/low ram
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2022-02-02 17:29:35	Scimmia	and it builds for each kernel, so however many you have installed
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2022-02-02 17:32:44	vd	what's the best way to copy the currently running / (it's an initramfs) into a directory/
2022-02-02 17:32:46	vd	?
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2022-02-02 17:37:10	Namarrgon	why?
2022-02-02 17:37:20	Ghosthree3	you are dropped into the initramfs shell?
2022-02-02 17:37:22	brjl	TheArcaneBrony: That's just expected. Some modules take longer than others, like GPU drivers;
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2022-02-02 17:39:18	Scimmia	libc: looks like gns3-server changed the yarl dep over 2 years ago. I removed the old info from the wiki
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2022-02-02 17:39:38	lmat	vd: cp -r * other_dir; ?
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2022-02-02 17:43:18	vd	lmat: I figured bind mount / in /tmp/foo then cp -a /tmp/foo /tmp/bar was better
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2022-02-02 17:52:56	colo	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/57464 - this exact problem has resurfaced for me on arch with bluez 5.63 and Linux 5.16.x - does anyone have working bt audio after at least one suspend-resume cycle?
2022-02-02 17:52:57	phrik	Title: FS#57464 : [bluez] Bluez 5.48-1 bug: can't use headset after suspend/hibernate (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2022-02-02 17:58:16	libc	Aardwolf: ,/M)
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2022-02-02 18:03:08	kapaun	How do I specify an alternative makepkg path
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2022-02-02 18:03:22	kapaun	Sorry, I mean an alternative path for pacman.conf
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2022-02-02 18:18:00	Warepire	kapaun: "man pacman"
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2022-02-02 18:19:40	wyre	hi guys, I've got an Asus Zenbook 13 with an Inter Corporation Wireless 8265 nic and ... iwd doesn't list it
2022-02-02 18:19:47	wyre	but I can see it in lspci
2022-02-02 18:19:55	wyre	rfkill doesn't list it 🤔
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2022-02-02 18:22:36	Scimmia	wyre: firmware?
2022-02-02 18:22:56	wyre	Scimmia, what do you mean? 
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2022-02-02 18:23:17	wyre	I mean ... should I check what firmware I've got for this nic? 
2022-02-02 18:23:32	wyre	how can I do it? 
2022-02-02 18:23:38	Scimmia	do you have firmware installed for it, probably from linux-firmware
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2022-02-02 18:24:05	wyre	Scimmia, I mean in the archiso, sorry
2022-02-02 18:24:09	wyre	I'm performing a new install
2022-02-02 18:24:57	Scimmia	ah, ok then. Not sure, then. iwlwifi lists it as supported
2022-02-02 18:24:59	wyre	I'm trying to connect the live environment to my wifi to start with the install process
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2022-02-02 18:26:10	Scimmia	grep through dmesg for iwlwifi
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2022-02-02 18:45:11	YellowSuB	Hello there I'm having some locale problem I think, when I try to enter 'less than sign' on my keyboard it makes a similar sign but it is smaller, so probably wrong keycode or something, this happened recently and I'm not sure what it could be
2022-02-02 18:45:34	YellowSuB	Not even sure if it is a locale issue or something else
2022-02-02 18:45:51	MrElendig	check which character it actually creates
2022-02-02 18:46:13	YellowSuB	Whats the command for that again?
2022-02-02 18:46:20	Overl	I followed the installation guide and the guide for how to install grub for uefi but arch wont boot, the drive wont even show up in boot devices, even though the efi partition looks fine
2022-02-02 18:47:30	YellowSuB	MrElendig: Is it more likely to be a keymap issue than a locale issue? can never remember which one of those affect the keyboard
2022-02-02 18:49:07	MrElendig	python -c 'import unicodedata; print(unicodedata.name("YOURCHARACTERGOESHERE"))'
2022-02-02 18:50:58	ice9	rkhunter said there is 1 possible rootkit but I can't get which one from the log, any help please? here is the log output: https://termbin.com/rrsw
2022-02-02 18:51:05	YellowSuB	MrElendig: SINGLE LEFT-POINTING ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
2022-02-02 18:51:30	YellowSuB	no clue why it suddenly changed to this
2022-02-02 18:53:05	MrElendig	that doesn't look like a = at all
2022-02-02 18:53:34	MrElendig	fix your keymap
2022-02-02 18:54:49	MrElendig	bha second to last line was for another channel
2022-02-02 18:58:46	YellowSuB	  X11 Layout: n/a
2022-02-02 18:58:53	YellowSuB	This would probably be the issue
2022-02-02 18:59:18	MrElendig	if you are using xorg
2022-02-02 19:00:01	YellowSuB	I am
2022-02-02 19:00:09	YellowSuB	thanks to nvidia
2022-02-02 19:01:10	MrElendig	works with wayland now
2022-02-02 19:01:33	YellowSuB	It's still a bitt fussy to set up though, 
2022-02-02 19:01:58	YellowSuB	tried it last month, couldn't be bothered, might give it a go sometime soon, think I need to update drivers and such before
2022-02-02 19:02:40	MrElendig	ice9: note: rkhunter is pretty useless if you didn't make a profile from a known good state and then kept it up to date
2022-02-02 19:55:21	johnfg	Anyone running the archlinux docker image?
2022-02-02 19:55:50	johnfg	I have it installed, but wanted to know if there's a way to run it like a virtual machine.
2022-02-02 19:56:48	MrElendig	depends on your defenition of "like a virtual machine"
2022-02-02 19:59:47	johnfg	MrElendig: I mean, is there a way to run it where I can actually see and use the system like a full installation?
2022-02-02 20:00:00	MrElendig	kindof
2022-02-02 20:00:12	MrElendig	but thats not what the docker image is made for
2022-02-02 20:00:20	johnfg	I'm only familiar with docker through ddev.
2022-02-02 20:00:55	johnfg	I've looked at the page for the archlinux container/image, but it didn't talk much about usage.
2022-02-02 20:01:10	johnfg	What is it for then?
2022-02-02 20:05:39	RendySurvage	ANybody in here with deluge experience?
2022-02-02 20:07:11	RendySurvage	legit torrents of arch or other free softwares will start but gradually drift to 0 download speed. I've set up my port forwarding on my router but cannot figure out what I could be doing wrong. There are no errors visible in the web gui. I've seen a few threads about this issue but no resolution.
2022-02-02 20:08:59	xrds	which torrent client do you use? I had my fair share of trouble with qbittorrent, whereas transmission didn't have any problems
2022-02-02 20:09:34	MrElendig	try reducing the number of connections
2022-02-02 20:09:41	RendySurvage	Deluge
2022-02-02 20:09:42	MrElendig	specially if you have a horrible router
2022-02-02 20:10:13	ERROR_404_NULL	i use qbitorrent
2022-02-02 20:10:26	RendySurvage	I've got a very good router. It's a SG-1100 w/ pfsense.
2022-02-02 20:10:46	RendySurvage	I've got the bt client running on my server so I can connect via webUI.
2022-02-02 20:11:31	RendySurvage	I'm going to test deluge on my desktop to see if I get the same results.
2022-02-02 20:11:36	MrElendig	sg-1100 hardware wise is pretty mheeeeeeeee
2022-02-02 20:12:28	Sid	I quite like this blog post on making your own home router: https://blog.tjll.net/building-my-perfect-router/
2022-02-02 20:13:05	Sid	I built just that, running Arch. Used it until I moved country and I haven't sorted it out in the new place yet, using the ISP default one for now
2022-02-02 20:14:09	Sid	It couldn't really keep up with gigabit though, if it was lan←>wan, since that traffic had to go via the CPU, but 650Mb/s was fine
2022-02-02 20:14:23	RendySurvage	Haha it's def not the router ladies/gents
2022-02-02 20:14:25	Earnestly	github seems dead
2022-02-02 20:14:34	jonathon	i ran a 32-bit atom minilaptop as a router for a while - it ran pretty well
2022-02-02 20:15:42	RendySurvage	It's fine on the PC end so it's something to do with the configuration on the server. Probably rw on the destination folder.
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2022-02-02 20:52:00	wallun	Evening, people!
2022-02-02 20:52:00	ℹ 	ERROR_404_NULL es conocido ahora como error
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2022-02-02 21:01:44	luquw	whats a good init system for older machines?
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2022-02-02 21:03:51	teraflops	what makes you think systemd is suitable only for _newer_ machines?
2022-02-02 21:04:07	◣	Strom (strom@fedora/strom) ha salido ()
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2022-02-02 21:04:36	BrainDamage	the only requirement systemd has is a min kernel version
2022-02-02 21:04:43	BrainDamage	but it's something like 4.fewdigits
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2022-02-02 21:05:27	luquw	isn't systemd slower for older machines?
2022-02-02 21:05:37	luquw	compared to the other init systems out there?
2022-02-02 21:06:08	MrElendig	luquw: depends on the hardware
2022-02-02 21:06:16	MrElendig	also your defenition of slower
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2022-02-02 21:06:54	MrElendig	overhead of systemd doesn't matter on any hardware that arch supports
2022-02-02 21:07:22	luquw	then why do people prefer openrc and runit over systemd?
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2022-02-02 21:07:45	teraflops	I wonder why people prefer systemd over openrc or runit
2022-02-02 21:08:02	colo	teraflops, because it's freakin' awesome
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2022-02-02 21:08:23	MrElendig	because it can actually track processes
2022-02-02 21:08:24	teraflops	luquw: you'd have to ask them I suppose
2022-02-02 21:08:28	MrElendig	/services
2022-02-02 21:08:50	MrElendig	luquw: a lot of it is due to reading some crappy blog post
2022-02-02 21:09:20	MrElendig	or going "systemd is much larger on disk and therefor it must be a lot slower too2
2022-02-02 21:09:35	wallun	I like the way systemd allows a simple management of user services, mounts, timers
2022-02-02 21:09:36	colo	other init-like systems had their chance. but daemontools didn't get adopted widely enough, and now here we are, with systemd scoring the highest on Garnter's "completeness of vision"-metric. and it does so OK enough for me :)
2022-02-02 21:09:42	wallun	with drop-in files
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2022-02-02 21:09:58	MrElendig	assuming you actually have "reasonable" hardware,, and are not on a 386sx with 2mb of ram or whatever
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2022-02-02 21:15:16	dmc	dangerous assumptions
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2022-02-02 21:16:37	xecuter	hiho
2022-02-02 21:16:38	brjl	MrElendig: Are you kidding me? Who would need a whole TWO MEGABYTES of RAM?
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2022-02-02 21:16:51	MrElendig	linux doesn't even support 386 anymore :p
2022-02-02 21:17:03	brjl	They dropped it not long ago, though.
2022-02-02 21:17:10	brjl	iirc
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2022-02-02 21:17:26	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-02 21:17:26	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-02 21:17:43	CarloWood	640kB ought to be enough for anybody.
2022-02-02 21:18:25	brjl	Even that seems a bit excessive.
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2022-02-02 21:19:08	MrElendig	brjl: almost a decade now
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2022-02-02 21:19:47	MrElendig	http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1212.1/01152.html
2022-02-02 21:19:48	phrik	Title: Linux-Kernel Archive: [RFC GIT PULL] "Nuke 386-DX/SX support" changes for v3.8 (at lkml.iu.edu)
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2022-02-02 21:21:29	brjl	MrElendig: Oh wow. What got dropped lately?
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2022-02-02 21:21:52	brjl	I remember reading something somewhere about some platform being dropped from the main kernel.
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2022-02-02 21:22:04	MrElendig	itanium, some mips and power stuff
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2022-02-02 21:23:31	brjl	Ah, of course.
2022-02-02 21:23:36	luquw	how do I get the gui password prompt in arch?
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2022-02-02 21:23:52	MrElendig	luquw: gui passowrd prompt for what?
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2022-02-02 21:24:04	brjl	luquw: You want a desktop manager.
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2022-02-02 21:24:18	MrElendig	or maybe it is polkit (+ an agent) he is after
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2022-02-02 21:24:26	luquw	MrElendig: yea 
2022-02-02 21:24:36	luquw	how Do I get that in arch
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2022-02-02 21:24:40	brjl	MrElendig: I think he meant the desktop manager, like gnome's GUI log-in screen.
2022-02-02 21:24:43	MrElendig	!aw polkit
2022-02-02 21:24:44	phrik	MrElendig: Polkit - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Polkit
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2022-02-02 21:25:14	brjl	Or maybe now
2022-02-02 21:25:16	brjl	!shrug
2022-02-02 21:25:16	phrik	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-02-02 21:25:22	brjl	s/now/not
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2022-02-02 21:32:55	lmat	"We are very happy to announce that debug packages are now available in Arch Linux.
2022-02-02 21:33:09	Foxboron	:)))))
2022-02-02 21:33:15	lmat	" But...what does this mean? What is a debug package?
2022-02-02 21:33:39	Foxboron	lmat: there are wiki pages linked. That's not for the news entry to explain
2022-02-02 21:33:53	lmat	At first, I was thinking about Debian (et allii) "dev" packages, but that's something different.
2022-02-02 21:33:56	lmat	Foxboron: Absolutely, I'll go read.
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2022-02-02 21:34:46	lmat	Foxboron: Sorry, I saw several links that didn't pertain (the debuginfod HTTPS server, the mirror requirements wiki page and others) and didn't make it down to "For more information" :(
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2022-02-02 21:38:41	Foxboron	lmat: getting traces should explain it
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2022-02-02 21:39:47	triteraflops	debugging symbols now available! YIIIIEEEE!
2022-02-02 21:39:54	jonathon	:D
2022-02-02 21:39:55	⚡ 	Earnestly suspicious
2022-02-02 21:39:56	⚡ 	triteraflops celebrates with gunfire
2022-02-02 21:40:06	rcf	lmat: it makes filing decent bug reports orders of magnitude easier. 
2022-02-02 21:40:21	triteraflops	and not a decade too soon!
2022-02-02 21:40:21	jonathon	yes, but, how do bug?
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2022-02-02 21:42:18	xLightman	Hey! I have a problem, maybe someone can help me (it's kinda important because it happened on my work laptop which I need tomorrow). The problem is that I've updated my nvidia drivers and now the boot process stop when initiating the x server (I assume). It just freezes in the [OK] messages and nothing happens. I can change to another tty without
2022-02-02 21:42:18	xLightman	problems. I've looked into the journalctl but no errors were showing up. I've already gone through the wiki, changing various settings with nvidia-dkms, adding 'nomodeset', removing 'nvidia-drm.modeset=1' and removing/adding 'nvidia' from mkinitcpio.
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2022-02-02 21:42:50	MrElendig	read the logs
2022-02-02 21:42:56	rcf	lmat: if it's not immediately clear it doesn't matter, normal users aren't ever going to need them. But when you do it's really, really nice to have. 
2022-02-02 21:43:06	triteraflops	xLightman: the X logs, yes
2022-02-02 21:43:15	luquw	why cant i install python-pyqt5-5.15.6-6-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst from pacman
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2022-02-02 21:43:23	Earnestly	rcf: (made fnmatch(1) only to learn gawk has fnmatch extension, which is nice)
2022-02-02 21:43:25	luquw	its throwing a 404 error
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2022-02-02 21:43:29	Foxboron	jonathon: Do read the getting traces page and suggest edits :)
2022-02-02 21:43:29	MrElendig	luquw: you tell us, you are the one who can see the error messages
2022-02-02 21:43:40	luquw	error 404
2022-02-02 21:43:42	MrElendig	luquw: use pacman -Syu ...
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2022-02-02 21:43:49	jonathon	Foxboron: :)
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2022-02-02 21:44:12	Warepire	xLightman: Recent driver updates dropped some cards to Legacy (like mine), I had a similar boot experience when I discovered that.
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2022-02-02 21:44:18	Earnestly	rcf: https://0x0.st/oHIz.txt
2022-02-02 21:44:20	Nomenclatura	Syyu
2022-02-02 21:44:24	MrElendig	luquw: oh@het-wd-1[~]# kittypack python-pyqt5
2022-02-02 21:44:26	MrElendig	extra/x86_64/python-pyqt5  0:5.15.6-7
2022-02-02 21:44:35	triteraflops	luquw: yeah, that usually happens because your local package list is outdated and pacman is trying to install an old version that the mirror doesn't have any more.
2022-02-02 21:44:37	Warepire	(the driver will say so in dmesg if your card is no longer supported)
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2022-02-02 21:44:54	luquw	oh ok I understand now
2022-02-02 21:44:54	◣	Overl (~lukas@206-129-067-156.ip-addr.inexio.net) ha salido (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2022-02-02 21:45:34	triteraflops	luquw: as an emergency alternative, if you need this package installed as soon as humanly possible, you can add the arch linux archive (temporarily!) to your mirror list.
2022-02-02 21:45:36	xLightman	xorg log has some EE's which are all 'libinput: ELAN29E2:00 04F3:29E2: Failed to create a device for /dev/input/x' where x is 'mouse0, event6, event7, etc.
2022-02-02 21:45:50	luquw	whats the difference between -Syyu and -Syu?
2022-02-02 21:45:57	triteraflops	xLightman: not nvidia after all... 
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2022-02-02 21:46:03	Earnestly	-yy wastes more time
2022-02-02 21:46:11	jonathon	luquw: yy creates more webserver traffic
2022-02-02 21:46:23	jonathon	also it duplicates answers
2022-02-02 21:46:28	xLightman	triteraflops: but there are no other error messages
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2022-02-02 21:46:34	xLightman	except those
2022-02-02 21:46:49	xLightman	I'm confused myself, that's why I came here. Already been debugging for 2 hours
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2022-02-02 21:46:58	triteraflops	xLightman: I mean yeah, so that means it's failing because it can't find input devices for some reason
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2022-02-02 21:47:31	Nomenclatura	because there is only one way to do anything
2022-02-02 21:47:34	xLightman	But why would xorg fail to start because it cannot find mouse0?
2022-02-02 21:47:54	triteraflops	xLightman: it's for the best. 
2022-02-02 21:48:07	triteraflops	xLightman: it *could* start without, but it would be useless.
2022-02-02 21:48:16	triteraflops	xLightman: The thing to do is to fix the mouse.
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2022-02-02 21:49:44	triteraflops	xLightman: as an experiment, you can try connecting an external USB mouse and see if it starts.
2022-02-02 21:49:59	MrElendig	grepping for EE will often hide the actual problem
2022-02-02 21:50:09	MrElendig	post full logs
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2022-02-02 21:50:23	triteraflops	good thought, Mr. Elendig.
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2022-02-02 21:53:38	triteraflops	huh, there goes xLightman...
2022-02-02 21:53:54	hussam	hello.
2022-02-02 21:53:55	hussam	I have a problem with fontconfig.
2022-02-02 21:54:05	jonathon	what sort of problem?
2022-02-02 21:54:35	hussam	fc-cache creates entries in /var/cache/fontconfig adn then immediately deletes them as invalid corrupt files.
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2022-02-02 21:55:05	hussam	and the ones in ~/.cache/fontconfig/ keep getting refreshed.
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2022-02-02 21:55:35	triteraflops	xLightman: hey, welcome back
2022-02-02 21:56:11	xLightman	Hey, I got a timeout
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2022-02-02 21:56:28	xLightman	Because I was doing stuff on the laptop. I'm trying to share the logs right now, sec
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2022-02-02 22:00:26	xLightman	https://0x0.st/oHIo.log those are the Xorg logs
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2022-02-02 22:01:20	jonathon	hussam: is it removing all files or only those for certain fonts?
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2022-02-02 22:09:13	teraflops	hussam: run fc-cache with -v (verbose)
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2022-02-02 22:16:36	andril	what happened there?
2022-02-02 22:16:55	Warepire	net-split.
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2022-02-02 22:17:21	thurstylark	there was some similar fuckery yesterday according to wallops. 
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2022-02-02 22:18:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-02 22:18:32	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-02 22:25:01	eijebong	Hey, quick question about -debug packages, will the list of supported packages grow over time? A quick look over it shows suprisingly low amount of packages
2022-02-02 22:25:36	gumbo	how do you resize a ntfs partition from linux? trying to dual boot windows. i dont have access to the windows device at all. lady gave me the laptop but just in case she wants to look at it i want to keep windows. i dont think she has used the laptop in years
2022-02-02 22:26:16	eijebong	> Not all packages provide debug packages as enabling it for all packages is an ongoing effort.
2022-02-02 22:26:25	eijebong	actually nevermind shoul've read the whole thing lol
2022-02-02 22:29:27	DeepDayze	gparted might be able to do it but there must be some caveats to that
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2022-02-02 22:37:39	arseru	Hi! I'm struggling to get thumbnails to show in Thunar, with my Android device connected through MTP. I followed the wiki https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/File_manager_functionality#Thumbnail_previews but still no luck. Any ideas? I thought thumbnails were generated under `~/.thumbnails` but the newest file I can find there is from 2020
2022-02-02 22:37:40	phrik	Title: File manager functionality - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-02-02 22:44:48	mongy	isn't it ~/.cache/thumbnails?
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2022-02-02 22:46:39	jaawerth	yeah it's all about that XDG spec. mmost file managers are likely doing something like ${XDG_CACHE_DIR:-$HOME/.cache}/thumbnails
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2022-02-02 22:48:31	arseru	mongy & jaawerth: you're right, I was reading tumbler docs now, but still, I wrote `export XDG_CACHE_HOME=$HOME/.my_new_cache` in my `~/.zshrc` file, reboot my machine, opened the MTP device again, and no new thumbnails are generated there or still in `~/.cache/thumbnails`
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2022-02-02 22:49:53	arseru	I also have the setting `Show Thumbnails -> Always` in Thunar: https://i.imgur.com/g6uoilJ.png
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2022-02-02 22:50:12	jaawerth	ah yeah sorry, XDG_CACHE_HOME is right. hmm
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2022-02-02 22:52:41	teraflops	arseru: tried just crtl+r when in the folder
2022-02-02 22:52:44	teraflops	?
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2022-02-02 22:53:17	teraflops	ugh my fingers, ctrl+r that's it
2022-02-02 22:53:23	jaawerth	well, if it isn't even putting new ones in ~/.cache/thumbnails then it probably isn't a problem with the dir but with it not creating them at all
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2022-02-02 22:54:40	arseru	teraflops: yes, no luck either
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2022-02-02 22:58:12	teraflops	arseru: tried to nuke the entire thing? 
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2022-02-02 22:58:56	teraflops	hmm, https://askubuntu.com/questions/800070/how-to-make-thunar-regenerate-thumbnails
2022-02-02 22:58:57	phrik	Title: How to make Thunar regenerate thumbnails? - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
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2022-02-02 22:59:21	ℹ 	076AAE506 es conocido ahora como AlexC
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2022-02-03 09:10:20	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-03 00:28:44	damarusama	yeah sorry for the noise, this was a silly question
2022-02-03 00:31:07	⚡ 	damarusama disconnect in shame
2022-02-03 02:17:51	Nomenclatura	!as
2022-02-03 02:17:51	phrik	Arch Sucks™
2022-02-03 02:18:37	jaawerth	aw phrik's gotten jaded in its middle years
2022-02-03 03:26:06	pushrad	i'm getting these errors while trying to upgrade my OS https://ttm.sh/iBx.txt what should I do?
2022-02-03 03:29:17	mpan	pushrad: long term solution: update your system regularly. A solution to address that now: update archlinux-keyring first, then the rest of the system.
2022-02-03 03:30:35	pushrad	thank you
2022-02-03 03:31:40	pushrad	how often do you upgrade yours?
2022-02-03 03:31:44	mpan	At least once a day.
2022-02-03 03:32:10	pushrad	I get a bit lazy. But I should do it more often.
2022-02-03 03:34:09	mpan	I think you could go away with once a week, but the longer you wait, the more chances some unexpected problems will occur and that no one will be able to help you.
2022-02-03 03:35:08	⚡ 	topcat001 runs checkupdate
2022-02-03 03:35:35	topcat001	ooh new keyring :)
2022-02-03 03:36:06	mpan	Maintainers do great job at keeping things smooth, but that smoothness is assured only over relatively short period of time. No one checks if an update works while done on a month-old system, as it’s note feasible to do so.
2022-02-03 03:37:11	pushrad	topcat001 what's checkupdate
2022-02-03 03:37:41	mpan	pushrad: a very nice piece of software from community/pacman-contrib.
2022-02-03 03:37:54	mpan	It checks if new updates are available and prints a list of affected packages.
2022-02-03 03:38:10	pushrad	i'll install it after this -Syu :)
2022-02-03 03:38:38	mpan	It also has a feature of pre-downloading packages into cache, with `sudo checkupdates -d`.
2022-02-03 03:39:39	danso	an update to sudo in the last week created a sudoers.pacnew file. apparently the only changes are to make groups explicit:  
2022-02-03 03:39:42	danso	-# %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL
2022-02-03 03:39:44	danso	+# %wheel ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
2022-02-03 03:40:35	danso	i can't find anything about this in the documentation though. the upstream still has the old way in the example: https://github.com/sudo-project/sudo/blob/main/examples/sudoers#L69 
2022-02-03 03:40:38	topcat001	checkupdates - I made a typo, sorry.
2022-02-03 03:40:40	danso	anybody know where this change came from? 
2022-02-03 03:42:39	DeepDayze	So do both the new and old ways still work?
2022-02-03 03:43:24	danso	i don't know, and i am hoping to not be the first person to find out
2022-02-03 03:43:59	DeepDayze	ahh don't blame you
2022-02-03 03:44:45	DeepDayze	perhaps the change is to make it more fine grained for what groups/people to give sudo privileges to
2022-02-03 03:50:09	mpan	danso: you’re looking at a wrong file. Here’s the relevant commit: <https://github.com/sudo-project/sudo/commit/1d13533ea3cda05ec666c45c6c533b614fdd97aa>.
2022-02-03 03:54:39	pushrad	fuck, my laptop died while i was running -Syu
2022-02-03 03:54:52	pushrad	i removed the lock, ran it again and it only upgraded like 1 package
2022-02-03 03:55:00	pushrad	how screwed am i?
2022-02-03 03:55:10	mpan	`pacman -Qkk` to know.
2022-02-03 03:55:17	mpan	`sudo pacman -Qkk` that is.
2022-02-03 03:55:30	pushrad	what does that do?
2022-02-03 03:55:42	mpan	Checks if files on the disk agree with what the local package database describes.
2022-02-03 03:56:00	mpan	If the laptop boots, it’s not a total fuckup, as at least glibc and pacman are intact.
2022-02-03 03:56:19	pushrad	yeah i'm writing this from my laptop so that's good
2022-02-03 03:56:30	Scimmia	pushrad: honestly, just reinstall every package involved in the update
2022-02-03 03:56:43	pushrad	Scimmia how do i know which packages were involed?
2022-02-03 03:56:47	mpan	pushrad: but in general: <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Recovery_after_failed_update_or_upgrade>.
2022-02-03 03:56:48	phrik	Title: Recovery after failed update or upgrade - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-03 03:56:50	Scimmia	see pacman.log
2022-02-03 03:57:28	danso	thank you mpan, looks like it's fine
2022-02-03 03:57:29	topcat001	died as in battery?
2022-02-03 03:57:35	pushrad	topcat001 yeah
2022-02-03 03:57:51	mpan	Then the chances are it was a clean shutdown, at least.
2022-02-03 03:58:17	pushrad	it was a clean shutdown
2022-02-03 03:58:25	pushrad	i have my xfce set to shut down at 5%
2022-02-03 03:58:30	mpan	Anyway, see the Arch Wiki link for the instructions
2022-02-03 04:15:40	danso	i sent a patch to update the sudo documentation. 
2022-02-03 04:15:58	danso	also, for a laugh i ran pacman -Qk and got a surprise: 
2022-02-03 04:16:01	danso	warning: linux: /usr/lib/modules/5.16.5-arch1-1/kernel/drivers/platform/x86/system76_acpi.ko.zst (No such file or directory)
2022-02-03 04:16:22	danso	i am pretty sure the linux package should not own system76 drivers? 
2022-02-03 04:17:34	demonicmaniac1	ofc it does
2022-02-03 04:17:43	demonicmaniac1	the kernel owns every driver that is mainlined in the kernel
2022-02-03 04:18:11	demonicmaniac1	it also owns toshiba_wmi and sony-laptop and samsung-laptop
2022-02-03 04:22:29	danso	oh okay, thanks. is there something i should do about this? my pc is a system76 but drivers for it should be in x86_64 i believe 
2022-02-03 04:26:25	kevr	danso: there are system76 packages in the AUR that can help you with your kernel modules via dkms.
2022-02-03 04:26:30	kevr	see system76-dkms and friends.
2022-02-03 04:32:06	danso	thanks kevr, i have several of those installed
2022-02-03 04:32:16	danso	but i'm not sure why a file from the linux package is missing
2022-02-03 04:32:57	Scimmia	because it didn't get written to disk. Again, reinstall packages
2022-02-03 04:33:33	danso	this file has been missing over several full updates :^/ 
2022-02-03 04:33:44	kevr	which package?
2022-02-03 04:33:49	kevr	is causing that error
2022-02-03 04:33:52	danso	linux
2022-02-03 04:33:53	kevr	er, warning
2022-02-03 04:34:46	Scimmia	then you must have it in NoExtract in pacman.conf or something
2022-02-03 04:35:53	danso	good suggestion Scimmia, but i checked now and that's not it
2022-02-03 04:36:04	kevr	i also have a system76 laptop, let me try to reproduce.
2022-02-03 04:36:54	kevr	indeed i get the same thing on my laptop.
2022-02-03 04:37:23	kevr	(using an orxy pro 5)
2022-02-03 04:37:30	kevr	oryx*
2022-02-03 04:38:14	danso	mine is a galago pro
2022-02-03 04:38:19	Scimmia	then there's something running that deletes it
2022-02-03 04:38:46	danso	output of pacman -Qkk linux: https://danso.ca/OGPqkq3Cv4/linux.txt 
2022-02-03 04:39:29	topcat001	Interesting, my system has the file.
2022-02-03 04:39:48	Scimmia	danso: that output is normal
2022-02-03 04:39:57	topcat001	/usr/lib/modules/5.16.2-arch1-1/kernel/drivers/platform/x86/system76_acpi.ko.zst
2022-02-03 04:40:08	danso	that is after a fresh reinstall with pacman -S linux
2022-02-03 04:40:28	kevr	you must have done more than that
2022-02-03 04:40:38	topcat001	(Dell Precision here, not that it matters)
2022-02-03 04:40:38	kevr	you are using the aur, after all
2022-02-03 04:40:53	kevr	topcat001: using system76-dkms?
2022-02-03 04:41:13	topcat001	No. Ah ok I must have missed that bit.
2022-02-03 04:41:27	topcat001	So that's why
2022-02-03 04:41:39	danso	i am starting to think the aur packages mess with it
2022-02-03 04:41:55	kevr	same
2022-02-03 04:42:15	kevr	these are totally breaking guidelines, btw
2022-02-03 04:42:17	danso	after pacman -S linux, the file exists again
2022-02-03 04:42:19	kevr	https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=system76-io-dkms
2022-02-03 04:42:20	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-02-03 04:42:26	kevr	this is a VCS package without a VCS suffix.
2022-02-03 04:42:29	kevr	silent VCS.
2022-02-03 04:43:12	Scimmia	not a VCS package. It's pinned to a specific commit
2022-02-03 04:43:23	kevr	ah, i see.
2022-02-03 04:43:50	babyface	is System76 switching to Arch?
2022-02-03 04:44:03	kevr	no.
2022-02-03 04:44:15	babyface	they should
2022-02-03 04:44:23	kevr	why's that?
2022-02-03 04:44:33	kevr	!offtopic
2022-02-03 04:44:34	phrik	Take it to #archlinux-offtopic
2022-02-03 04:46:20	Scimmia	I've never tried to use DKMS for a module that exists in-tree. I wouldn't expect it to remove it, but maybe?
2022-02-03 04:47:09	danso	i cannot install the last system76-driver from the aur because of an unknown pgp key :^/
2022-02-03 04:58:05	kevr	danso: the system76-acpi-dkms package is what is overriding that file, but i don't think its needed seeing as its in-tree now.
2022-02-03 04:58:56	kevr	maybe dkms just does that? i'm unsure.
2022-02-03 04:59:20	kevr	system76-acpi-dkms is the only aur package with replacement modules, the rest aren't in tree
2022-02-03 04:59:25	kevr	afaik
2022-02-03 04:59:43	kevr	so you _should_ be able to safely remove that package.
2022-02-03 04:59:59	kevr	just make sure you install linux again after, just in case.
2022-02-03 05:01:36	topcat001	Since it is not pacman itself doing the replacing, there is no warning.
2022-02-03 05:02:17	topcat001	It cannot anticipate the conflict.
2022-02-03 05:04:12	kevr	system76-acpi-dkms used to be the only way to get the module, so a ton of system76 packages optionally depend on it, which makes me think it would come in useful, but it's just old stuff now.
2022-02-03 05:05:58	danso	i reinstalled system76-acpi-dkms, but it didn't re-delete the file
2022-02-03 05:06:18	kevr	you dont need that package
2022-02-03 05:06:48	kevr	unless you specifically want their pinned commit.
2022-02-03 05:07:06	kevr	otherwise, the kernel has it built in now.
2022-02-03 05:16:48	⚡ 	kevr thanks danso for bringing this up; completely bypassed any of that on his machine
2022-02-03 05:16:52	kevr	<3
2022-02-03 05:20:57	gumbo	anyone here use lf ?
2022-02-03 05:21:17	mpan	!give gumbo anyone
2022-02-03 05:21:18	phrik	gumbo: Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2022-02-03 05:22:41	gumbo	just wondering, i have it installed. looked at the keybindings and have more questions. like how do i copress folders/files etc..
2022-02-03 06:00:46	Nomenclatura	ask an specific question man
2022-02-03 06:21:17	Shapeshifter	j #sway
2022-02-03 06:21:19	Shapeshifter	oops
2022-02-03 06:30:58	voxelv	How do I detect what causes my PC to shutdown while playing a certain game?
2022-02-03 06:31:35	NetSysFire	you check your journal
2022-02-03 06:31:53	NetSysFire	first of all, is this a clean shutdown (do you see all the [  OK  ]) or does it just kill itself?
2022-02-03 06:32:12	NetSysFire	if it is the former, the problem will be *much* easier to debug
2022-02-03 06:32:45	voxelv	journalctl does not have any [ OK ] entries at the end of the last boot log
2022-02-03 06:33:05	voxelv	("last boot log" being the result of "journalctl -b-1")
2022-02-03 06:33:08	NetSysFire	no i mean if you see that on your screen when it shuts down
2022-02-03 06:33:15	voxelv	oh, the no
2022-02-03 06:33:17	NetSysFire	the [ OK ] stuff will never be in your journal
2022-02-03 06:33:18	voxelv	then no*
2022-02-03 06:33:33	voxelv	gotcha, yeah, it kills itself
2022-02-03 06:33:42	NetSysFire	first guess it, watch your temps
2022-02-03 06:34:08	voxelv	GPU never got above 50C
2022-02-03 06:34:13	voxelv	not sure about CPU
2022-02-03 06:34:20	voxelv	are there other temps to watch?
2022-02-03 06:34:38	NetSysFire	definitely cpu
2022-02-03 06:35:09	NetSysFire	run a benchmark or use stress to artifically heat up your pc and monitor your temps
2022-02-03 06:35:26	NetSysFire	if it shuts off, its likely a hardware problem and you need to change your thermal paste
2022-02-03 06:35:31	voxelv	got a good CPU temp monitor recommendation?
2022-02-03 06:35:39	NetSysFire	just sensors
2022-02-03 06:35:40	labrador	NetSysFire, wouldn't there be a crit temp where it throttles greatly?
2022-02-03 06:35:43	NetSysFire	lm-sensors
2022-02-03 06:35:54	labrador	It puts that info in the kernel logs
2022-02-03 06:35:59	NetSysFire	labrador: yes there is but spikes happen quickly
2022-02-03 06:36:05	NetSysFire	and the journal might not have been written to disk
2022-02-03 06:36:43	labrador	oh
2022-02-03 06:36:44	voxelv	is there a way to monitor the output of "sensors" continuously?
2022-02-03 06:37:09	NetSysFire	watch -n1 sensors
2022-02-03 06:37:41	NetSysFire	also when did this shutoff start happening?
2022-02-03 06:38:46	voxelv	back in September
2022-02-03 06:38:57	NetSysFire	randomly or after an update?
2022-02-03 06:39:45	voxelv	seemed like after an update, but I rolled back (somewhat successfully) to August software to test it, and it still did it
2022-02-03 06:39:56	NetSysFire	the very first thing you want to do is still check your temps though, it is by far the most common cause for that
2022-02-03 06:40:10	voxelv	makes sense, I haven't checked the CPU temps yet
2022-02-03 06:40:35	voxelv	I've done just about everything else though (even switched to Windows, and it still did it)
2022-02-03 06:40:46	NetSysFire	yeah that very much sounds like a hardware problem
2022-02-03 06:40:50	voxelv	yeah
2022-02-03 06:40:58	NetSysFire	i wouldnt be worried yet, thermal paste is easy to change
2022-02-03 06:41:17	voxelv	helps to have people like you to help me see what I've been missing trying
2022-02-03 06:41:32	NetSysFire	well, this is a support channel after all :p
2022-02-03 06:42:07	espresso	until then, you could point an extra fan at it
2022-02-03 06:42:12	NetSysFire	thats hacky
2022-02-03 06:42:16	espresso	aye!
2022-02-03 06:42:34	NetSysFire	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/General_troubleshooting#Debugging_freezes i wrote this guide a few months ago, most is also applicable to sudden shutdowns
2022-02-03 06:42:35	phrik	Title: General troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-03 06:42:51	voxelv	what's the recommended pastebin alternative? (or is pastebin ok?)
2022-02-03 06:42:58	NetSysFire	see the /topic
2022-02-03 06:43:56	voxelv	!paste fam15h_power-pci-00c4
2022-02-03 06:43:56	phrik	voxelv: Is that… Is that really a word?
2022-02-03 06:43:56	voxelv	Adapter: PCI adapter
2022-02-03 06:43:57	voxelv	power1:       35.59 W  (crit = 125.19 W)
2022-02-03 06:43:57	voxelv	k10temp-pci-00c3
2022-02-03 06:43:58	voxelv	Adapter: PCI adapter
2022-02-03 06:43:58	voxelv	temp1:        +16.5°C  (high = +70.0°C)
2022-02-03 06:43:59	voxelv	                       (crit = +90.0°C, hyst = +87.0°C)
2022-02-03 06:44:07	voxelv	hm... I'm new to irc... sorry
2022-02-03 06:44:11	NetSysFire	uh
2022-02-03 06:44:14	NetSysFire	!paste
2022-02-03 06:44:15	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-02-03 06:44:20	voxelv	ty
2022-02-03 06:46:59	voxelv	I'm curious how I know which sensor is the CPU: https://gist.github.com/voxelv/3c4862321c7e107a1ccb8cd528daeee8
2022-02-03 06:47:13	espresso	voxelv: those should be followed by the Core temps; maybe you need sudo ?
2022-02-03 06:47:45	voxelv	no difference between with sudo and without
2022-02-03 06:47:59	NetSysFire	this looks weird
2022-02-03 06:48:07	NetSysFire	is this a laptop?
2022-02-03 06:48:17	voxelv	desktop
2022-02-03 06:48:42	NetSysFire	did you build it yourself? you usually need to connect a cable to be able to read sensor data iirc
2022-02-03 06:49:08	voxelv	I did, yes. I didn't know there was a CPU-specific temp cable
2022-02-03 06:49:41	NetSysFire	i am not a hardware pro but i am pretty sure there is
2022-02-03 06:49:44	⚡ 	NetSysFire looks into own desktop
2022-02-03 06:50:31	voxelv	the system fans do spin up under load, so either the motherboard is doing it for me, or stuff is already automatically wired up?
2022-02-03 06:50:53	NetSysFire	ah there is a sensor cable
2022-02-03 06:51:03	NetSysFire	can you see your temps under windows or with a liveiso?
2022-02-03 06:51:10	NetSysFire	sometimes even your bios displays it
2022-02-03 06:51:27	Nomenclatura	some fans dont report to os
2022-02-03 06:51:39	NetSysFire	but this is a desktop, it actually should
2022-02-03 06:51:45	NetSysFire	since this is the cpu fan, not the chassis fan
2022-02-03 06:52:17	Nomenclatura	I have a fanh on my desktop that doesnt
2022-02-03 06:52:25	NetSysFire	a fan or the cpu fan?
2022-02-03 06:52:38	Nomenclatura	the firmware reports only to aura
2022-02-03 06:53:07	Nomenclatura	try connecting the fan to other fan power port, it may work
2022-02-03 06:53:08	espresso	just for reference, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Lm_sensors
2022-02-03 06:53:09	phrik	Title: lm_sensors - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-03 06:53:39	Nomenclatura	if it doesn't work on any, check the bios settings. you may have teh option to rely control to os and then it will report
2022-02-03 06:53:45	Nomenclatura	but some just dont
2022-02-03 06:56:39	voxelv	as one of my troubleshooting steps, I did reset the BIOS, so maybe I need to re-enable that
2022-02-03 06:59:28	voxelv	an unrelated issue... I got a new china-made keyboard that requires me to "echo 2 > /some/device/file" after every boot in order for the F1-F12 keys to work properly. Is there a way to do that automatically?
2022-02-03 06:59:42	espresso	wiki mentions sensors-detect (I have not used that myself, but it may help with some hardware)
2022-02-03 07:01:31	espresso	voxelv: perhaps one of these issues? https://duckduckgo.com/?q=keyboard+f-keys+site%253Abbs.archlinux.org
2022-02-03 07:01:31	phrik	Title: keyboard f-keys site%3Abbs.archlinux.org at DuckDuckGo (at duckduckgo.com)
2022-02-03 07:03:40	voxelv	hm yeah, the apple keyboard entry looks promising, as the path includes "hid-apple"
2022-02-03 07:18:20	voxelv	@NetSysFire So while I was in BIOS I didn't find a CPU temp reporting option, but I did notice the CPU was at 50C while just idling there in the BIOS
2022-02-03 07:30:16	alloy	Hi, I'm trying to recover a crashed Arch system and would like to get a list of what was installed on it to rebuild it faster... using an Ubuntu USB so can't list them via pacman... is there a directory (cache/something) that would give me most of this information?
2022-02-03 07:30:55	espresso	Hi,  /var/cache/pacman/pkg/
2022-02-03 07:31:14	alloy	something weird happened during an update that I've never seen before, can't boot it at all (kernel panic) but the disk is intact
2022-02-03 07:31:21	alloy	ah thanks espresso :)
2022-02-03 07:31:35	alloy	is there one for aur packages too?
2022-02-03 07:32:11	espresso	i think those could be in ~/.cache/x
2022-02-03 07:33:33	alloy	ah yeah in home.  nice1 (y)
2022-02-03 07:33:47	espresso	many tricks and infos at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman
2022-02-03 07:33:48	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-03 07:40:48	alloy	cheers for that... l8r :)
2022-02-03 08:29:44	dupondje	Nice work on the debug symbols!
2022-02-03 08:46:48	[-_-]	Hello
2022-02-03 08:47:03	[-_-]	there is a ghost .service file in systemd
2022-02-03 08:47:27	[-_-]	It shows up when I do systemctl --user status <TAB>
2022-02-03 08:47:44	[-_-]	but I checked ~/.config/systemd/user
2022-02-03 08:47:50	[-_-]	that .service file doesn't exist
2022-02-03 08:48:21	[-_-]	is there some cache?
2022-02-03 08:48:23	NetSysFire	theres more paths than that
2022-02-03 08:48:35	NetSysFire	like /usr/lib/systemd/user
2022-02-03 08:48:43	thursdaylark	what does `systemctl cat foo.service` say?
2022-02-03 08:48:51	thursdaylark	it usually adds the file path in a comment
2022-02-03 08:49:10	[-_-]	http://0x0.st/oHUC.txt
2022-02-03 08:49:19	[-_-]	it talks about that directory
2022-02-03 08:50:06	NetSysFire	Warning: The unit file, source configuration file or drop-ins of prad.service changed on disk. Run 'systemctl --user daemon-reload' to reload units.
2022-02-03 08:50:17	[-_-]	I did
2022-02-03 08:50:21	[-_-]	I even rebooted
2022-02-03 08:50:54	[-_-]	here, did it again: http://0x0.st/oH0s.txt
2022-02-03 08:50:57	NetSysFire	did you do the --user?
2022-02-03 08:51:59	[-_-]	I did
2022-02-03 08:52:16	[-_-]	otherwise where is the message?
2022-02-03 08:53:29	dav1d	It says it's gone now though
2022-02-03 08:53:46	dav1d	I assume if you try to start it, it will fail and be gone after a reboot?
2022-02-03 08:54:00	dav1d	or at least not run anymore
2022-02-03 08:55:01	dav1d	Also maybe there are still some symlinks, if the unit was "enabled"
2022-02-03 09:01:43	[-_-]	time to test
2022-02-03 09:10:21	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-03 09:11:02	[-_-]	rebooted
2022-02-03 09:11:02	ℹ 	felixonmars_ es conocido ahora como felixonmars
2022-02-03 09:11:06	[-_-]	did not work
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2022-02-03 09:19:31	phatrix	hi. I am on an updated archlinux, with sway and pipewire and firefox. I have used jitsi with screensharing in the past. It does not work anymore (I tried with both wireplumber and pipewire-media-session).
2022-02-03 09:19:58	phatrix	I have reverted my firefox (all the way) back to version 89... and screensharing works again.
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2022-02-03 09:20:48	phatrix	Even on firefox esr (version 91) it does not work... any idea what it could be and/or how to debug it?
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2022-02-03 09:22:42	tirnanog	perhaps try a clean profile. that is, by running "firefox -profilemanager" then clicking the relevant button to create a new profile for testing. if it doesn't work in that context, I'd be worried.
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2022-02-03 09:26:05	phatrix	@tirnanog, I did that (it is (seems to be) required if you revert to an older firefox version
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2022-02-03 09:26:30	tirnanog	phatrix: good. well, I really meant a clean profile in the current version but if you've already done that, fine.
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2022-02-03 09:27:08	cyphertite	weltio:  `mkinitcpio -H systemd-tool` ==> ERROR: Hook 'systemd-tool' not found
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2022-02-03 09:29:47	kevr	cyphertite: community/mkinitcpio-systemd-tool
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2022-02-03 09:31:25	weltio	kevr: right
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2022-02-03 09:37:33	phatrix	Actually. I just went back to Firefox version 96, and even sharing my webcam and microphone does not work anymore :-(
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2022-02-03 09:39:50	phatrix	Scratch that... creating a new profile fixed that issue... but I can still not share my screen :-(
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2022-02-03 09:59:57	weltio	i dont think that it has something todo with systemd-tool though kevr cyphertite
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2022-02-03 10:06:13	weltio	ah, ive an idea
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2022-02-03 10:20:35	Ghosthree3	phatrix: you need to make sure firefox is started in wayland mode and that you have xdg-desktop-portal-wlr and the relevant env vars exported to systemd
2022-02-03 10:22:22	ℹ 	Andrew_ es conocido ahora como Andrew
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2022-02-03 10:28:52	masoudd	go to about:suport and search for "Window Protocol". Are you doing these things: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Firefox#Wayland
2022-02-03 10:28:54	phrik	Title: Firefox - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-02-03 10:33:00	Ghosthree3	its going to be on by default in v98
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2022-02-03 10:57:48	weltio	nope didnt work - i guess some software is missing - which could that be?
2022-02-03 10:59:55	weltio	seems to be the same as here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=243254&p=2
2022-02-03 10:59:56	phrik	Title: Keyboard does not work at LUKS password prompt (Page 2) / Installation / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2022-02-03 11:00:31	weltio	maybe anyone has a suggestion?
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2022-02-03 11:00:52	weltio	seems to be a hardware thing
2022-02-03 11:01:02	weltio	i.e. in vbox it works
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2022-02-03 11:02:44	jnugle	who should the owner of /usr/share/webapps/nextcloud be ? root or nextcloud?
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2022-02-03 11:04:02	fahrradToken	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=243254&p=2
2022-02-03 11:04:02	phrik	Title: Keyboard does not work at LUKS password prompt (Page 2) / Installation / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-02-03 11:04:04	jnugle	coz i get errors when i try to open nextcloud in browser - proxy_fcgi:error Utime failed: Permission denied at /usr/share/webapps/nextcloud/lib/private/Config.php#248" 
2022-02-03 11:04:07	fahrradToken	ah, sorry
2022-02-03 11:04:17	Ghosthree3	weltio: see if dracut works, no need to specify modules/hooks for that one
2022-02-03 11:05:06	fahrradToken	weltio: i have a keyboard which does not work for the decryption password, while others work. Have you tried another keyboard yet?
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2022-02-03 11:24:55	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-03 11:24:55	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1430 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1430 normals)
2022-02-03 11:17:38	weltio	Ghosthree3: uff
2022-02-03 11:19:42	brocellous	Debuginfod is the coolest thing since sliced bread wow
2022-02-03 11:19:49	brocellous	even better than I imagined
2022-02-03 11:24:36	seds	Hey, I've been having quite a lot of problems with the intel graphics driver,, although the Nvidia works pretty well, I would prefer not to use it in order to save battery. Recently I
2022-02-03 11:24:55	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-03 11:25:04	seds	(sorry, pressed enter by mistake), Recently I tried the "modesetting" driver in xorg and seems to work pretty well
2022-02-03 11:25:35	seds	I wonder what is the difference between using the modsetting driver rather than intel's driver
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2022-02-03 11:28:34	brocellous	you're talking about the ddx drivers
2022-02-03 11:28:51	brocellous	I'd say modesetting is recommended on any hardware that runs it
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2022-02-03 11:30:15	seds	yeah, ddx. from what I understood, the ddx is provides by the kernel, is that correct?
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2022-02-03 11:40:09	noobaroo	okay so gui root applications should never be run from the terminal, what to use now that gksu is dead?
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2022-02-03 11:44:10	Gagis	policykit has its own implementation uhhh... pkexec?
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2022-02-03 11:48:28	noobaroo	Pkexec doesn't work for me. It says authentication failure everytime
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2022-02-03 11:49:23	Gagis	I didn't actually know that using sudo to launch something like gedit or gparted could cause minor problems. you learn something every day. I had never used gksu but probably should have occasionally.
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2022-02-03 11:49:27	ℹ 	d4gr4 es conocido ahora como d4gr
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2022-02-03 11:54:17	noobaroo	Yeah same here, im trying to do the right thing setting up my system properly in every way i can think of etc because Im bored at the moment, and to mysurprise gksu no longer exists and pkexec doesn't work at all
2022-02-03 11:54:54	noobaroo	I guess i will still be running gui programs from sudo terminal
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2022-02-03 11:57:54	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-03 11:57:54	ℹ 	Tema establecido por jelle (~jelle@archlinux/developer/jelle) el jue, 13 ene 2022 10:21:14
2022-02-03 11:57:54	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1433 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1433 normals)
2022-02-03 11:57:54	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-03 11:57:56	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-03 11:59:37	ℹ 	driib26 es conocido ahora como driib2
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2022-02-03 12:06:21	Gagis	yeah policykit probably requires some configuration
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2022-02-03 12:10:32	[-_-]	Guys ghost service problem fixed
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2022-02-03 12:11:03	[-_-]	anyway
2022-02-03 12:11:52	[-_-]	" systemd keeps the failed status, so you can list them `systemctl --user --failed`. you can `systemctl --user reset-failed` to remove it"
2022-02-03 12:12:10	[-_-]	finally
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2022-02-03 12:28:59	raster	o/
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2022-02-03 12:36:16	electrohead	o/
2022-02-03 12:36:32	salkin	hi good folks. so im sitting in archiso and a setting up a luks encrypted BTRFS system. i've done the cryptsetup yada yada and opened the partition in question /dev/mapper/cryptroot. mounted it to create btrfs subvolumes @ @home @pkg @snapshots. all is good. umounted and.. ta daa daaa -> `mount -o  noatime,nodiratime,compress=zstd,space_cache,ssd,subvol=@ /dev/mapper/cryptroot /mnt` FAILS with:
2022-02-03 12:36:32	salkin	BTRFS error (device dm-1): cannot disable free space 
2022-02-03 12:36:32	salkin	tree and -//-: open_ctree failed in addition mount throws /mnt: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mapper/cryptroot, missing codepage or helper prigra, or other error. 
2022-02-03 12:36:38	salkin	What am i doing wrong here?
2022-02-03 12:39:27	electrohead	I've never used BTRFS, however that said, searching around took me to this page - https://wiki.tnonline.net/w/Btrfs/Space_Cache
2022-02-03 12:39:29	phrik	Title: What is Btrfs Space Cache and Free Space Tree's and how to enable them | Forza's Ramblings (at wiki.tnonline.net)
2022-02-03 12:39:42	electrohead	did you verify you properly set up BTRFS?
2022-02-03 12:39:50	electrohead	and, hoping someone else could assist with that
2022-02-03 12:40:17	topcat001	seds: I have to use the intel DDX, because otherwise mpv stutters every 9 seconds due to modesetting's vsync jitter bug.
2022-02-03 12:40:53	topcat001	Otherwise modesetting works fine but then again for me so does intel.
2022-02-03 12:41:34	topcat001	This has been unfixed for a long time, sadly.
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2022-02-03 12:42:43	topcat001	nvidia of course works perfectly
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2022-02-03 12:49:04	mongy	electrohead: space_cache no longer works, needs to be space_cache=v2
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2022-02-03 12:49:21	salkin	electrohead: thanks! I see here that Forza is not using the @ btrfs flag at all. they are using a naming scheme of volume/* hmmm. okay first difference. regarding the space cache and free space tree -> i thought this was default working out of the "box".
2022-02-03 12:49:55	salkin	mongy: but when specifying space_cache now a days then it automatically means v2 ? no?
2022-02-03 12:50:29	mongy	used to..
2022-02-03 12:50:30	salkin	wow!! thanks mongy
2022-02-03 12:51:01	mongy	it farts when you just do space_cache.  it borked my script few months ago
2022-02-03 12:51:08	salkin	not anymore... hmm i changes the ..,zstd,space_cache,ssd,... to space_cache=v2
2022-02-03 12:51:12	salkin	and now it mounts
2022-02-03 12:51:17	electrohead	good to know about that, as I plan to play with BTRFS eventually
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2022-02-03 12:52:10	salkin	but but but.. i think i just read in official :)~ btrfs arch documents that default space_cache is v2.
2022-02-03 12:52:42	salkin	ahh.... maybe that just means that its space_cache=v2 if it not specified.. and then i go stupid an overwrite that with my space_cache
2022-02-03 12:53:12	salkin	mongy: it farts indeed . hahaha
2022-02-03 12:54:02	BrainDamage	wouldn't it be easier to check than to guess?
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2022-02-03 12:54:25	BrainDamage	I mean, check which one your fs is using right now
2022-02-03 12:54:39	salkin	BrainDamage: always :) but im slow, this is all very new to me
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2022-02-03 13:06:54	Forza	salkin: Space_cache=v2 is default since 5.15
2022-02-03 13:07:12	mongy	cool
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2022-02-03 13:08:29	Forza	I should say btrfs-progs 5.15, as it is set as mkfs time (mkfs.btrfs -R free-space-tree) 
2022-02-03 13:08:43	salkin	Hey Forza! very nice Btrfs blog.
2022-02-03 13:09:12	salkin	so no need to specify space_cache=v2 in my `mount -o`?
2022-02-03 13:09:13	mongy	top search result 
2022-02-03 13:09:28	Forza	Thanks :) 
2022-02-03 13:09:44	Forza	No, because space cache option is stored on disk. 
2022-02-03 13:09:57	salkin	oki thanks
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2022-02-03 13:10:41	salkin	i guess also no need to specify compress=zstd and noatime? defaults aswell?
2022-02-03 13:11:41	Forza	No, compress and noatime need to stay as mount options 
2022-02-03 13:12:17	Forza	The word 'defaults' is just a place holder. You don't need it if you use other options 
2022-02-03 13:12:27	salkin	okay cool. thanks
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2022-02-03 13:14:32	salkin	ah Forza one more BTRFS beginners [Q] here :)
2022-02-03 13:14:43	salkin	do i need to specify the ,ssd, option?
2022-02-03 13:14:53	salkin	my disk is a ssd non nvme disk
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2022-02-03 13:15:57	salkin	or is this also stored on disk and not needed to be specified for mount
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2022-02-03 13:17:54	Forza	It's autidetected so not strictly needed. 
2022-02-03 13:18:07	salkin	superb
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2022-02-03 13:20:54	Forza	I saw the mention of @ naming. The idea is to separate subvols from normal dirs. Btrfs itself doesn't care, so choose something that works for you. Mount -o subvol=@home is just as valid as mount -o subvol=volume/home 
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2022-02-03 13:21:31	salkin	that is so nice! thanks for the clarification <3
2022-02-03 13:21:45	Forza	I believe timeshift is a little rigid and expects the @ names. 
2022-02-03 13:21:56	salkin	i see . good notes
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2022-02-03 13:31:16	thearcanebrony	progress update on that file transfer
2022-02-03 13:31:31	thearcanebrony	it seems to be rounding up, but i lost access to the tty its running on so i cant see theprogress bar
2022-02-03 13:31:52	thearcanebrony	458 GB transferred, disk size is 456.8GB or so
2022-02-03 13:32:11	thearcanebrony	465.8G according to lsblk
2022-02-03 13:32:43	thearcanebrony	any way i can view the contents of a TTY over ssh?
2022-02-03 13:33:26	teraflops	you want to know if the file transfer is still running?
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2022-02-03 13:33:56	electrohead	thearcanebrony: you should have ran screen or tmux before hand, to make life simpler :)
2022-02-03 13:33:57	thearcanebrony	well i have ls on a loop and the size is still increasing
2022-02-03 13:34:03	teraflops	ssh to the machine and type `progress`
2022-02-03 13:34:09	thearcanebrony	the arch install iso has screen/tmux?
2022-02-03 13:34:19	thearcanebrony	`command not found: progress`
2022-02-03 13:34:27	teraflops	you have to install it then
2022-02-03 13:34:36	thearcanebrony	im using pv piped into a file so idk if that'd work
2022-02-03 13:34:49	teraflops	progress should work
2022-02-03 13:35:06	thearcanebrony	`no command currently running`
2022-02-03 13:35:14	thearcanebrony	doesnt seem to support pv
2022-02-03 13:35:17	electrohead	I imagine it may have screen? not sure to be honest though, as I have a main script I use on my local network for all arch installs, and already have screen and tmux in the package list
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2022-02-03 13:35:40	thearcanebrony	oh you can do it with `progress -c pv`
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2022-02-03 13:35:53	teraflops	thearcanebrony: are you running progress as the same user that is copying the file?
2022-02-03 13:36:09	thearcanebrony	yes, it doesnt check for pv 
2022-02-03 13:36:16	thearcanebrony	manually specifying pv as the command works fine
2022-02-03 13:37:07	thearcanebrony	`98.5% (458.7 GiB / 465.8 GiB) 8.5 MiB/s remaining 0:14:04`
2022-02-03 13:37:44	electrohead	nice to know about the progress command, cheers for that
2022-02-03 13:37:50	thearcanebrony	TIL progress is a useful command
2022-02-03 13:37:57	thearcanebrony	never heard of it before
2022-02-03 13:38:21	◥	powftw (uid448161@id-448161.lymington.irccloud.com) has joined #archlinux
2022-02-03 13:38:29	thearcanebrony	transfer's hanging around $MB/s
2022-02-03 13:38:36	thearcanebrony	4MB/s*
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2022-02-03 13:38:43	thearcanebrony	MiB*
2022-02-03 13:39:41	electrohead	better than hanging at 1 
2022-02-03 13:39:43	electrohead	:p
2022-02-03 13:39:43	thearcanebrony	oh btw, any recommendations on irc clients with image support
2022-02-03 13:39:50	electrohead	image support?
2022-02-03 13:39:57	teraflops	inline images?
2022-02-03 13:40:03	◣	LiaoTao (~LiaoTao@gateway/tor-sasl/liaotao) ha salido (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
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2022-02-03 13:40:06	thearcanebrony	image support as in when you paste an image itll put it on imgur and post the link to that
2022-02-03 13:40:07	AlexC1	embed i think
2022-02-03 13:40:29	electrohead	I didn't know clients existed that did that
2022-02-03 13:40:37	thearcanebrony	well im asking
2022-02-03 13:40:38	teraflops	iirc glowing bear does inline images and videos
2022-02-03 13:40:54	thearcanebrony	its mostly upload support that matters for me
2022-02-03 13:40:57	AlexC1	thelounge does as well
2022-02-03 13:41:01	thearcanebrony	currently using hexchat and i dont think it does
2022-02-03 13:41:09	thearcanebrony	unless theres a eh
2022-02-03 13:41:26	thearcanebrony	hexchat plugin for it* (woops hit enter while sneezing)
2022-02-03 13:41:35	electrohead	oh, heh, glowing bear is a front end for weechat, nice!
2022-02-03 13:41:39	AlexC	no such plugin for hexchat
2022-02-03 13:41:47	electrohead	weechat for life.
2022-02-03 13:41:55	Gagis	AFAIK irccloud supports that
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2022-02-03 13:42:34	Gagis	dunno about weechat-android. kinda wanna check out but I assume not
2022-02-03 13:43:10	teraflops	weechat for android has that
2022-02-03 13:43:24	teraflops	it also does inline images
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2022-02-03 13:43:57	electrohead	how to tell when you are a data hoarder - you say you haven't heard of something, yet when you go to clone the git repo in your IRC software collection, said project is already there
2022-02-03 13:43:58	teraflops	they added a ton of functionalities lately 
2022-02-03 13:44:19	thearcanebrony	real data hoarding moment
2022-02-03 13:44:28	Gagis	I should probably configure relay one of these days. I still use an android SSH app for weechat
2022-02-03 13:44:54	thearcanebrony	it gets worse when you keep losing your git folder between installs and you end up realising youve cloned it 7 times already
2022-02-03 13:44:54	teraflops	Gagis: take a look at it, it's a pretty good client
2022-02-03 13:45:16	teraflops	I used it a lot but now I switched to IOS so no more weechat
2022-02-03 13:45:30	electrohead	Gagis: the android relay app has come a long way, I use it from time to time, works a treat
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2022-02-03 13:46:04	teraflops	since weechat has relay modes for weechat and irc you can use almost any irc client
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2022-02-03 13:50:25	thearcanebrony	you always see 1.4k users on here but ive never seen them talk
2022-02-03 13:50:32	thearcanebrony	just relays i guess?
2022-02-03 13:50:38	thearcanebrony	or archive bots
2022-02-03 13:52:27	wunit	bouncers + not everyone lives in the same timezone
2022-02-03 13:52:36	thearcanebrony	fair
2022-02-03 13:52:52	thearcanebrony	its funny how the arch channel has more users then #ubuntu
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2022-02-03 13:53:07	masoudd	I just read you. Silently
2022-02-03 13:53:23	thearcanebrony	very silently apparently
2022-02-03 13:53:31	masoudd	Soon. Muhahaha
2022-02-03 13:53:41	thearcanebrony	hm?
2022-02-03 13:53:46	thearcanebrony	evil plans up ahead?
2022-02-03 13:54:17	◣	ice9 (~ice9@user/ice9) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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2022-02-03 13:57:17	Gagis	and many people just lurk so they can just go and ask when they need help with something even if that happens like once every 2 years
2022-02-03 13:58:05	◣	ice99 (~ice9@user/ice9) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-02-03 13:58:15	thearcanebrony	kinda dumb but ok
2022-02-03 13:58:19	electrohead	I like hanging out for the information that gets posted in here
2022-02-03 13:58:30	thearcanebrony	i mean, its pretty chill in here
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2022-02-03 13:58:53	thearcanebrony	i haerd the arch discord is a toxic hellhole, though havent been there
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2022-02-03 13:59:12	NetSysFire	there is no official arch discord
2022-02-03 13:59:21	thearcanebrony	well im aware, theres an unofficial one
2022-02-03 13:59:27	⚡ 	electrohead pokes NetSysFire and waves
2022-02-03 13:59:35	NetSysFire	all official communites are bound by the code of conduct which prohibits toxic behavior
2022-02-03 14:00:02	thearcanebrony	thats good
2022-02-03 14:00:08	thearcanebrony	toxic places are never fun
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2022-02-03 14:00:34	thearcanebrony	i havent read the coc but im assuming its mostly common sense
2022-02-03 14:00:44	NetSysFire	it is, but you should still read it
2022-02-03 14:00:45	thearcanebrony	yknow, dont be an asshat etc
2022-02-03 14:00:52	NetSysFire	theres a few special rules in there
2022-02-03 14:01:43	thearcanebrony	well yeah i heard theres a rule about no install scripts
2022-02-03 14:01:49	◣	ekathva (~ekathva@2001:999:51:be01:2c4a:6b25:b5d5:f2c9) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-02-03 14:01:51	NetSysFire	also no arch derivatives
2022-02-03 14:01:57	thearcanebrony	which makes sense
2022-02-03 14:02:07	NetSysFire	you will get eaten alive by us if we catch you asking for support for one
2022-02-03 14:02:20	electrohead	I've totally experienced some toxicity in this channel quite some time ago, sorry to say. It's been a while though since I've noticed it
2022-02-03 14:02:39	thearcanebrony	CaN SoMeOnE HeLp Me wIth EnDeAvOuR /s
2022-02-03 14:02:39	◣	Warepire (~warepire@user/Warepire) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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2022-02-03 14:02:55	jonathon	thearcanebrony: yes, but not here :P
2022-02-03 14:03:01	thearcanebrony	i mean it makes perfect sense you dont come here with unofficial forks xD
2022-02-03 14:03:08	electrohead	Heh
2022-02-03 14:03:08	NetSysFire	jonathon: do you have endeavor on your highlight list?
2022-02-03 14:03:21	thearcanebrony	probably lmao
2022-02-03 14:03:30	jonathon	i might do, actually, but sometimes i just time my lurking correctly :D
2022-02-03 14:03:34	◥	obale (~obale@user/obale) has joined #archlinux
2022-02-03 14:03:37	NetSysFire	(for context, jonathon is affliated with endeavor os)
2022-02-03 14:03:59	thearcanebrony	just read the coc
2022-02-03 14:04:04	thearcanebrony	nothing special 
2022-02-03 14:04:06	jonathon	affiliated as in i help out there because there are a lot of manjaro refugees there
2022-02-03 14:04:06	◣	obale1 (~obale@user/obale) ha salido (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2022-02-03 14:04:07	electrohead	Has anyone fully used the 'automated' installer? I still have yet to use it and play with it
2022-02-03 14:04:10	Gagis	isnt the archinstall script that comes with the iso at least semi-supported-ish?
2022-02-03 14:04:21	◣	alerque (~caleb@2a01:4f8:150:6366::2) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.4)
2022-02-03 14:04:23	NetSysFire	yeah thats supported more or less
2022-02-03 14:04:24	thearcanebrony	kinda? you have to explicitly mention you used it
2022-02-03 14:04:27	NetSysFire	yeah
2022-02-03 14:04:40	NetSysFire	you should still know how your system works and what archinstall does in guided mode
2022-02-03 14:04:46	thearcanebrony	yep
2022-02-03 14:04:50	Gagis	I'm planning to use it the next time I do a reinstall but my system stubbornly keeps not being broken so I might never have an opportunity :P
2022-02-03 14:04:55	thearcanebrony	tbh i havent ever used install scripts for arch
2022-02-03 14:05:04	NetSysFire	i have, but those were my very own ones
2022-02-03 14:05:08	thearcanebrony	the install guide is well documented
2022-02-03 14:05:10	⚡ 	NetSysFire gives Gagis a vm
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2022-02-03 14:05:43	electrohead	yeah same, I whipped up a few scripts just to enter minimal information to get arch up and running quickly
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2022-02-03 14:06:15	thearcanebrony	i mean, i dont tend to struggle installing arch coz its a well documented process and ive done it a few times already, so it tends to be muscle memory
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2022-02-03 15:33:44	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-03 15:33:44	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1449 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1449 normals)
2022-02-03 15:24:30	thearcanebrony	update, rebooted, im no longer reaching gdm
2022-02-03 15:24:56	Namarrgon	nvidia?
2022-02-03 15:25:07	thearcanebrony	hybrid with nvidia yes
2022-02-03 15:25:15	thearcanebrony	though displays are on intel
2022-02-03 15:25:22	Namarrgon	playing linux on hard difficulty
2022-02-03 15:26:05	thearcanebrony	let me get weechat on my phone so i can send screen pics
2022-02-03 15:26:09	Namarrgon	switch to the next vt and check the logs
2022-02-03 15:26:20	thearcanebrony	i did
2022-02-03 15:26:34	thearcanebrony	it just goes Stopped GNOME Display Manager Starting GNOME display manager etc
2022-02-03 15:26:58	Namarrgon	and the user's journal?
2022-02-03 15:27:18	thearcanebrony	hold up
2022-02-03 15:27:21	Namarrgon	*the gdm user's journal
2022-02-03 15:28:03	thearcanebrony	how do i connect with weechat?
2022-02-03 15:28:24	Namarrgon	on your phone?
2022-02-03 15:28:29	thearcanebrony	yeah
2022-02-03 15:29:00	Namarrgon	no idea, click the thingy, i guess
2022-02-03 15:33:04	TheArcaneBrony_	Cool
2022-02-03 15:33:16	TheArcaneBrony_	Got a client running
2022-02-03 15:33:44	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-03 15:34:19	TheArcaneBrony_	https://i.imgur.com/p16FaaP.jpg
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2022-02-03 15:34:57	thearcanebrony	after this a few "Failed to start virtualization daemon" popped up
2022-02-03 15:35:15	Namarrgon	switch to the next vt or boot into the multi-user.target and look at the logs
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2022-02-03 15:35:44	thearcanebrony	i am in multi user
2022-02-03 15:35:54	thearcanebrony	apparently a package dissapeared aswell
2022-02-03 15:35:57	thearcanebrony	i dont have lnav anymore
2022-02-03 15:36:01	Namarrgon	gdm shouldn't be enabled in the multi-user.target
2022-02-03 15:36:25	thearcanebrony	idk how i boot to a specific target
2022-02-03 15:36:38	Namarrgon	then don't say that you're in the multi user target
2022-02-03 15:36:49	Namarrgon	"systemd.unit=multi-user.target"
2022-02-03 15:36:57	thearcanebrony	either way, logs for libvirtd says "Failed to acquire pid file '/run/libvird.pid': Resource temporarily unavailable"
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2022-02-03 15:37:11	thearcanebrony	i have a functioning terminal rn soo
2022-02-03 15:37:32	Namarrgon	do you have a working internet connection?
2022-02-03 15:37:40	thearcanebrony	nope
2022-02-03 15:37:48	Namarrgon	why not?
2022-02-03 15:37:50	thearcanebrony	cant ping 1.1.1.1
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2022-02-03 16:12:47	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1448 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1448 normals)
2022-02-03 15:38:04	thearcanebrony	i have ethernet plugged in, which worked earlier
2022-02-03 15:38:11	thearcanebrony	`ip` etc still hang the shell
2022-02-03 15:38:26	Namarrgon	just running "ip" hangs?
2022-02-03 15:38:56	thearcanebrony	yep
2022-02-03 15:39:20	Namarrgon	reboot with "nomodeset" and into the multi-user.target and try again
2022-02-03 15:39:33	thearcanebrony	as for gdm logs, i see "Gdm: Failed to contact accountsservice: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.Accounts: Timeout was reached"
2022-02-03 15:39:35	Namarrgon	do you have any other kernel installed?
2022-02-03 15:39:46	thearcanebrony	yes i have an old tkg kernel installed, same issue
2022-02-03 15:39:50	Namarrgon	gdm is just part of the fallout of some lower-level issue
2022-02-03 15:40:00	thearcanebrony	booting a different kernel results in the same issues
2022-02-03 15:40:24	Namarrgon	try to post the full kernel log
2022-02-03 15:40:33	Namarrgon	to a paste service, no screenshots
2022-02-03 15:40:35	thearcanebrony	without internet?
2022-02-03 15:40:44	thearcanebrony	wait
2022-02-03 15:40:48	thearcanebrony	you mean dmesg right?
2022-02-03 15:41:09	thearcanebrony	i could post it from archiso
2022-02-03 15:41:26	Namarrgon	whatever works best for you
2022-02-03 15:41:41	thearcanebrony	got any instructions for posting a file to a paste service?
2022-02-03 15:41:53	Namarrgon	!ix
2022-02-03 15:41:53	thearcanebrony	i could just throw it on my site if that doesnt bother you
2022-02-03 15:41:54	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-02-03 15:42:10	Namarrgon	as long as it's just plain text
2022-02-03 15:42:15	thearcanebrony	alright
2022-02-03 15:42:18	thearcanebrony	so, dmesg?
2022-02-03 15:42:27	Namarrgon	yup, let's start with that
2022-02-03 15:43:02	thearcanebrony	alright, rebooting into archiso
2022-02-03 15:45:22	thearcanebrony	uhh
2022-02-03 15:45:32	thearcanebrony	Namarrgon: the ix.io thing didnt work
2022-02-03 15:45:41	thearcanebrony	it returned `no results to fetch`
2022-02-03 15:46:02	Namarrgon	which command did you run?
2022-02-03 15:46:25	thearcanebrony	`cat dmesg.log |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-02-03 15:46:48	thearcanebrony	since i stored the dmesg output in a file prior to rebooting
2022-02-03 15:47:34	thearcanebrony	well, heres the file
2022-02-03 15:47:41	thearcanebrony	https://files.thearcanebrony.net/dmesg.log
2022-02-03 15:49:19	thearcanebrony	as for gdm, if relevant, https://files.thearcanebrony.net/gdm.log
2022-02-03 15:49:38	Namarrgon	never use -x with journalctl
2022-02-03 15:49:58	Namarrgon	pacman -Q linux-firmware
2022-02-03 15:50:01	thearcanebrony	oh, im used to doing -x
2022-02-03 15:50:30	Namarrgon	the start of the kernel log is missing, can you find the rest in the journal?
2022-02-03 15:50:31	thearcanebrony	`linux-firmware 20220119.0c6a7b3-2`
2022-02-03 15:51:10	thearcanebrony	should i just upload the entire output of `journalctl`?
2022-02-03 15:51:22	Namarrgon	journalctl -kb -1
2022-02-03 15:51:26	thearcanebrony	oh that has logs since november
2022-02-03 15:51:51	thearcanebrony	that shows november logs
2022-02-03 15:52:24	Namarrgon	find the most recent one in 'journalctl --list-boots' and post it
2022-02-03 15:52:46	thearcanebrony	huh
2022-02-03 15:53:02	thearcanebrony	anything between 2021-11-19 and 2022-02-03 is missing
2022-02-03 15:53:41	Namarrgon	"tree /etc/systemd/system"
2022-02-03 15:54:13	thearcanebrony	command not found
2022-02-03 15:54:22	thearcanebrony	lemme install it real fast
2022-02-03 15:55:41	thearcanebrony	https://files.thearcanebrony.net/systemdtree.log
2022-02-03 15:56:23	Namarrgon	why are dhcpcd, iwd and NM enabled at the same time?
2022-02-03 15:56:37	thearcanebrony	always have been, never caused issues
2022-02-03 15:56:53	Namarrgon	did you configure nm to use iwd?
2022-02-03 15:57:02	thearcanebrony	not explicitly
2022-02-03 15:57:09	Namarrgon	then disable iwd and dhcpcd
2022-02-03 15:57:25	thearcanebrony	alright disabled
2022-02-03 15:57:40	Namarrgon	are you using systemd-homed?
2022-02-03 15:58:04	thearcanebrony	im guessign it just does home directories? if so no
2022-02-03 15:58:10	Namarrgon	"systemd-journal-flush.service -> /dev/null" why?
2022-02-03 15:58:20	thearcanebrony	never touched that
2022-02-03 15:58:38	Namarrgon	is this arch or some spin?
2022-02-03 15:58:46	thearcanebrony	its just arch
2022-02-03 15:58:47	Namarrgon	then that is on you
2022-02-03 15:59:49	thearcanebrony	huh, i dont remember doing that but ok
2022-02-03 16:00:06	Namarrgon	same for systemd-timesyncd
2022-02-03 16:00:29	Namarrgon	did you use some third-party intaller?
2022-02-03 16:00:39	thearcanebrony	nope
2022-02-03 16:00:50	thearcanebrony	followed the arch install guide
2022-02-03 16:01:06	thearcanebrony	could it be some package (official/aur)?
2022-02-03 16:01:16	Namarrgon	certainly not an official one
2022-02-03 16:01:32	thearcanebrony	i tend to skip readign aur build infos
2022-02-03 16:01:45	Namarrgon	remove the null-symlinks, reboot
2022-02-03 16:02:26	thearcanebrony	alright, rebooting
2022-02-03 16:03:02	thearcanebrony	now that i think about it, its possible i masked those to get faster boots
2022-02-03 16:04:06	thearcanebrony	gdm loaded, thats a start
2022-02-03 16:04:46	Namarrgon	what about the network connections?
2022-02-03 16:04:48	thearcanebrony	`ip` works
2022-02-03 16:04:55	thearcanebrony	i have both a wired and wireless ip
2022-02-03 16:05:23	thearcanebrony	can ping 1.1.1.1
2022-02-03 16:05:33	thearcanebrony	same for archlinux.org
2022-02-03 16:06:09	thearcanebrony	sudo is also working it seems
2022-02-03 16:07:24	myth	anyone here use `doas`?
2022-02-03 16:08:21	tbreslein	myth : I do
2022-02-03 16:08:26	thearcanebrony	it would appear my laptop works as normal now
2022-02-03 16:08:34	mefistofeles	I use it to run sudo
2022-02-03 16:08:38	mefistofeles	jk :P
2022-02-03 16:08:42	thearcanebrony	Namarrgon: thanks!
2022-02-03 16:08:50	myth	i wish sudo wasn't as bloated tbh
2022-02-03 16:09:16	thearcanebrony	i wish gdm wasnt as bloated but hey
2022-02-03 16:09:19	thearcanebrony	here we are i guess
2022-02-03 16:09:28	Namarrgon	thearcanebrony: np but check the rest of the stuff in /etc/systemd/system, some of it is still suspect
2022-02-03 16:09:37	thearcanebrony	such as?
2022-02-03 16:10:23	thearcanebrony	systemd-homed i'd assume?
2022-02-03 16:10:44	myth	thearcanebrony: I use KDE plasma but im really close to buying another disk so i can use Luke Smith's WM
2022-02-03 16:11:19	thearcanebrony	huh im having gpu issues
2022-02-03 16:11:26	Namarrgon	thearcanebrony: homed, userdbd
2022-02-03 16:11:31	tbreslein	Luke Smith wrote his own WM?
2022-02-03 16:11:45	Namarrgon	tbreslein: check everything you're not recognizing
2022-02-03 16:12:01	tbreslein	and why would you need need another disk for that? @myth
2022-02-03 16:12:06	Namarrgon	ugh, thearcanebrony ^
2022-02-03 16:12:43	thearcanebrony	not sure where you saw userdbd?
2022-02-03 16:12:47	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-03 16:13:12	myth	@tbreslein cause im too lazy to put all my stuff on a flash drive/google drive
2022-02-03 16:13:20	myth	wait this isnt discord...
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2022-02-03 16:19:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-03 16:19:12	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1449 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1449 normals)
2022-02-03 16:14:04	thearcanebrony	i dont really see anything i dont recognise
2022-02-03 16:14:06	myth	tbreslein: config of DWM, should have specified
2022-02-03 16:14:12	tbreslein	@myth even then: why? why do you want to pull stuff onto anything just to install a different WM?
2022-02-03 16:14:43	myth	cause my system rn is pretty bloated (~1700 packages) and i kinda want to do a purge
2022-02-03 16:14:58	thearcanebrony	1585 here
2022-02-03 16:15:12	myth	dont install plasma-meta
2022-02-03 16:15:30	thearcanebrony	Namarrgon: having other exec isssues rn
2022-02-03 16:15:50	tbreslein	oh ok. last time I checked I was somewhere in the 900s lol
2022-02-03 16:16:00	thearcanebrony	minecraft-launcher crashes on startup with "Authorization required, but no authorization protocol specified"
2022-02-03 16:16:17	myth	yea, my system is running hella slow, i also gotta reinstall my Windows Enterprise operating system
2022-02-03 16:16:21	myth	that thing got way too bloated
2022-02-03 16:17:05	thearcanebrony	https://files.thearcanebrony.net/mcl.log
2022-02-03 16:17:07	thearcanebrony	any ideas?
2022-02-03 16:17:51	jelle	stop computering, you are having a bad day
2022-02-03 16:17:59	thearcanebrony	been having a few bad days
2022-02-03 16:18:07	thearcanebrony	also found the issue, was running in a root terminal
2022-02-03 16:18:28	myth	yep....
2022-02-03 16:18:32	myth	happens to the best of us
2022-02-03 16:18:33	thrice	use sudo, embrace sudo
2022-02-03 16:18:40	thearcanebrony	`sudo su`
2022-02-03 16:18:44	thrice	or whatever that bloatless alternative is
2022-02-03 16:18:47	myth	doas
2022-02-03 16:18:53	thearcanebrony	sudo su tho
2022-02-03 16:18:58	thrice	y
2022-02-03 16:19:03	myth	doas sudo su
2022-02-03 16:19:05	thearcanebrony	y not
2022-02-03 16:19:06	jessicara	am i the only one still just using su from a user in wheel group?
2022-02-03 16:19:13	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-03 16:19:15	thrice	I mean, you just demonstrated "y not"
2022-02-03 16:19:25	◣	tam1m (~tam1m@user/tam1m) ha salido (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2022-02-03 16:19:36	myth	i use sudo su cause i forgot my root password
2022-02-03 16:19:36	thrice	jessicara: "still?" I don't think that was ever a thing
2022-02-03 16:19:41	tbreslein	jessicara: yes
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2022-02-03 16:20:33	Ghosthree3	sudo -i is the way
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2022-02-03 16:20:43	myth	what does -i do?
2022-02-03 16:20:46	jessicara	thrice: it has been a thing for a long time
2022-02-03 16:21:09	thearcanebrony	tfw open minecraft for 2 seconds, game freezes
2022-02-03 16:21:13	thrice	OK.  I've started on slackware in 2005, maybe I missed it
2022-02-03 16:21:32	jessicara	it might be because i started on bsd and ended up carrying over a lot of behaviours
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2022-02-03 16:21:58	Ghosthree3	myth: logs into the user in a way almost equivalent to `sudo su -` (which should be used over su without a dash). also can specify the user you want with -u
2022-02-03 16:22:14	myth	my first distro was lUbuntu i think
2022-02-03 16:22:20	myth	i knew it was LXDE
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2022-02-03 16:24:35	myth	!paste
2022-02-03 16:24:35	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-02-03 16:24:58	myth	wait whats wrong with paste.ubuntu.com? do they require accounts too?
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2022-02-03 16:25:14	hendrikpern	!ix
2022-02-03 16:25:14	Zetta1Reid0	!paste
2022-02-03 16:25:15	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
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2022-02-03 16:27:44	Zetta1Reid0	I have some strange problem with lightdm (gtk-greeter).It starts correctly but I can't login on any account.Someone can help? Here is status of service:https://bpa.st/ZNAQ
2022-02-03 16:27:45	phrik	Title: View paste ZNAQ (at bpa.st)
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2022-02-03 16:31:36	hendrikpern	Zetta1Reid0 perhaps unrelated question, but does lightdm knows what to do after login? Afaik configuration file is located in user directory. So if you log in into user that does not have config - you will not login at all 
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2022-02-03 16:33:31	Zetta1Reid0	hendrikpern: do you mean .xinitrc ? Also i forgot to mention it does login with lightdm-guest-account(AUR) too
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2022-02-03 16:33:39	Zetta1Reid0	it does not*
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2022-02-03 16:35:02	SheriF	I have a question regarding enabling casting on archlinux, in the wiki it says "You will need to enable the Media Router Component Extension in chrome://flags/#load-media-router-component-extension." but that flag doesn't exists anymore ...
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2022-02-03 16:37:34	Gagis	I think its just built in nowadays. mine only has a #media-router-cast-allow-all-ips flag but casting works
2022-02-03 16:38:39	Dotz0cat_	I got to install a certien OS that will be a total pain. I have no extra usb drive to put the image on. I do have a usb to usb cable. Could I mount the image as a loop device and send it out with the cable to boot another computer with it?
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2022-02-03 16:39:34	hendrikpern	Zetta1Reid0 what window manager do you use? Can you start it from tty without issues?
2022-02-03 16:40:18	Zetta1Reid0	hendrikpern: I am in via xinit (startx) right now. Yes
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2022-02-03 16:43:21	SheriF	Gagis: ummm so the wiki outdated? I still can't cast anyway :/
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2022-02-03 16:45:05	Gagis	oh right its chromium, not chrome
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2022-02-03 16:45:27	Gagis	I think I had an aur package providing the closed source blobs needed and then it worked out of the box
2022-02-03 16:45:32	Gagis	chromium-widewine?
2022-02-03 16:45:46	Gagis	switched to just chrome since then
2022-02-03 16:45:57	SheriF	thx, I will check :)
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2022-02-03 16:46:11	myth	widevine is closed source?
2022-02-03 16:46:24	jelle	yes
2022-02-03 16:46:52	myth	huh, didn't know that, is firefox's DRM protection closed source?
2022-02-03 16:47:04	Gagis	"This package is no longer needed for Chromium, it can download the component itself. With Chromium 81, you can either use this or let it download the component, but when Chromium 83 is updated in the Arch repos, it will ignore this package all together."
2022-02-03 16:47:11	Gagis	well not sure if thats relevant either then
2022-02-03 16:47:14	hendrikpern	Zetta1Reid0 what is contents of /usr/share/xsessions/ ?
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2022-02-03 16:47:33	myth	Gagis, have you tried installing it through chrome://components
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2022-02-03 16:47:58	Gagis	you want SheriF for that
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2022-02-03 16:50:51	Zetta1Reid0	hendrikpern: only xfce.desktop
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2022-02-03 16:56:50	thrice	oof, shots fired.  https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/sjjs8f/the_gnu_c_library_version_235_is_now_available/
2022-02-03 16:57:08	thrice	never read the comments
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2022-02-03 16:58:19	jelle	thrice: most important thing is: "Support for the C.UTF-8 locale has been added to glibc"
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2022-02-03 17:00:59	Earnestly	%b
2022-02-03 17:01:10	cyphertite	kevr:  noted on your earlier input re:  community/mkinitcpio-systemd-tool 37-1; but I've never used it with any of my encrypted / (or /boot) Arch systems, nor do I understand what it does/provides, or why it may be desirable
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2022-02-03 17:03:34	hendrikpern	Zetta1Reid0: perhaps check logs for example ~/.xsession-errors /var/log/lightdm . I honestly don't know where they should be located, but if you have xfce.desktop then lighdm should start it. If it does not checking logs might help.
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2022-02-03 17:12:23	Zetta1Reid0	hendrikpern: ok so i uncommented session-wrapper=/etc/lightdm/Xsession
2022-02-03 17:12:26	Zetta1Reid0	in config file. Now I can login as everyone (guest, root) except myself.
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2022-02-03 17:16:25	hendrikpern	Zetta1Reid0: I presume you removed ~/.Xauthority as well, correct?
2022-02-03 17:16:53	Zetta1Reid0	hendrikpern:No i havent. Don't i need it ?
2022-02-03 17:17:33	hendrikpern	Zetta1Reid0: it's just from wiki page: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/LightDM#Infinite_login_loop
2022-02-03 17:17:35	phrik	Title: LightDM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-02-03 17:20:11	wyre	hi guys, can I ignore custom repos with some pacman cli argument? 
2022-02-03 17:20:18	wyre	just like when I ignore a package with --ignore
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2022-02-03 17:20:40	wyre	I've been reading the manpage ... but I'd say I didn't see anything like this for Sync section 🤔
2022-02-03 17:20:43	bionade24	wyre: Just comment them out in pacman.conf?
2022-02-03 17:20:51	wyre	bionade24, that's what I'm doing
2022-02-03 17:21:04	wyre	but ... I'd like to ignore at runtime
2022-02-03 17:21:35	bionade24	wyre: You could also use sed or awk to to do that as a pre post hook
2022-02-03 17:21:45	BrainDamage	what exactly are you trying to do?
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2022-02-03 17:22:12	BrainDamage	not how, what
2022-02-03 17:22:25	bionade24	wyre: E.g. Write a shell function in your shellrc file and then prehook && pacman -S && posthook
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2022-02-03 17:22:57	Zetta1Reid0	hendrikpern:Ok so i stopped the Xsession that I started from startx and now i am able to login.Ty for help.
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2022-02-03 17:23:51	hendrikpern	yw :).
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2022-02-03 17:28:03	Khorne	bionade24, disgusting
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2022-02-03 17:28:37	bionade24	Khorne: I'm not here to educate people ;)
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2022-02-03 17:36:31	salkin	Hi again. thanks Forza, mongy and BrainDamage for pointing me in the proper direction regarding my Brtfs setup earlier today. Im now stuck at bootup and are being thrown into emergency mode. Not due to the Btrfs setup ( i believe this is correct know ) But due to my luks encryption setup. On boot im stuck with a time out for devce /dev/mapper/cryptroot . I did add sd-encrypt etc in my
2022-02-03 17:36:31	salkin	mkinitcpio.conf HOOKS alongside **btrfs** in BINARIES. I am 
2022-02-03 17:36:31	salkin	using systemd-boot btw. :) so did a bootctl install to my /boot and filled my loader entries with a vanilla linux config containing options `cryptdevice=LABEL=ROOT:cryptroot:allow-discards root=/dev/mapper/cryptroot rootflags=subvol=@ rd.luks.options=discard rw`. After timeout on device on boot, the emergency also seems to "fail" and throws: Cannot access to console, the root account is locked.
2022-02-03 17:36:31	salkin	:( au au. What could be the problem? Could it be the 
2022-02-03 17:36:31	salkin	LABEL= specifier usage and that rd.luks only like UUID's? or is it because i didnt create a /etc/crypttab.initramfs - this is needed just to boot? i was expecting just to be prompted for the disk passphrase. Or could it be .. ? 
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2022-02-03 17:37:21	Khorne	it could be that you didn't use rd.luks properly
2022-02-03 17:37:32	Khorne	the sd-encrypt hook cant handle cryptdevice
2022-02-03 17:37:42	Khorne	set it to rd.luks.uuid(?) I think
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2022-02-03 17:38:36	Khorne	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/System_configuration#Using_sd-encrypt_hook
2022-02-03 17:38:37	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/System configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-03 17:38:39	Ghosthree3	yes, the syntax for sd-encrypt is the rd.luks stuff
2022-02-03 17:38:48	salkin	ahhh ohhh ..
2022-02-03 17:39:36	Ghosthree3	you want rd.luks.name=UUID=root (or cryptroot, w.e you use)
2022-02-03 17:39:49	Khorne	^
2022-02-03 17:40:05	salkin	thanks! will try
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2022-02-03 17:40:54	Khorne	And no, I don't think labels are supported there (but also I'm too lazy to check)
2022-02-03 17:41:03	salkin	:)
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2022-02-03 17:42:34	salkin	for me its not the having to checking which is the problem, its understanding what i read. first day with btrfs and luks
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2022-02-03 17:43:41	salkin	aha crypttab.initramfs in not limited to only using UUI like rd.luks
2022-02-03 17:43:59	Ghosthree3	UUID is tbh the best method anyway, or at the very least a non issue
2022-02-03 17:44:08	salkin	good point
2022-02-03 17:44:29	salkin	but LABELS are so easy for humans :)
2022-02-03 17:44:48	salkin	and a potential disaster i guess
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2022-02-03 17:46:20	Khorne	Considering you about set it once..
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2022-02-03 17:47:41	salkin	true :), but i have to be honest -> im a bit confused.. should i add the UUID of the /dev/sda3 or the encrypted part of it i.e. cryptroot ?
2022-02-03 17:47:42	greyltc	Hey, I'm running an arch docker container in github actions CI and pacman is giving "The requested URL returned error: 429" (Too Many Requests) while trying to fetch packages from a mirror
2022-02-03 17:48:11	greyltc	can I easily make pacman more robust to that sort of thing?
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2022-02-03 17:48:54	Ghosthree3	salkin: you add the partition, not the filesystem. the one that crypto_LUKS appears on
2022-02-03 17:49:00	jelle	greyltc: are you using an AUR helper?
2022-02-03 17:49:02	salkin	ah the cryptroot. i see isee
2022-02-03 17:49:02	Ghosthree3	the one you have labeled
2022-02-03 17:49:14	Ghosthree3	salkin: no
2022-02-03 17:49:17	salkin	ah! ahaha
2022-02-03 17:49:36	greyltc	jelle: yeah, paru
2022-02-03 17:49:45	salkin	okay my labeled partition. not the luks "alias"
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2022-02-03 17:49:58	jelle	greyltc: then you are probably doing too many queries to the AUR
2022-02-03 17:50:00	Ghosthree3	salkin: the cryptoroot thing is the name of the opened container (name can be anything you want, i just use root), until the block is decrypted it doesnt exist
2022-02-03 17:50:10	jelle	or better said the CI host is..
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2022-02-03 17:51:15	bionade24	Is is true that the Arch Toolchain will be rebuilt on glibc 2.35 in the next weeks ?
2022-02-03 17:51:17	greyltc	jelle: but it looks like error is from the pacman mirror: `error: failed retrieving file 'libuv-1.43.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst.sig' from muug.ca : The requested URL returned error: 429`
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2022-02-03 17:51:32	jelle	greyltc: aha, then don't use that mirror :)
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2022-02-03 17:51:45	bionade24	greyltc: You can use reflector to find the best mirror: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Reflector
2022-02-03 17:51:46	phrik	Title: Reflector - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-03 17:51:52	jelle	bionade24: doesn't help :)
2022-02-03 17:52:13	jelle	ideally github would host their own arch mirror but I'm afraid they don't
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2022-02-03 17:52:59	bionade24	jelle: Using Reflector wouldn't help because all mirrors are configured to printout 429 after reaching a treshold?
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2022-02-03 17:53:40	jelle	bionade24: what if his best mirror is muug.ca
2022-02-03 17:53:51	greyltc	jelle, I'm picking my mirrors like this: https://bpa.st/raw/XVAQ
2022-02-03 17:54:25	greyltc	i was thinking of just forgetting all this and always using the rackspace one though...
2022-02-03 17:54:43	jelle	greyltc: doesn't pacman fallback to a different mirror for libuv?
2022-02-03 17:54:48	jelle	might be considered a bug
2022-02-03 17:54:50	bionade24	jelle: Then just throw out the line with muug.ca ?
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2022-02-03 17:55:18	greyltc	jelle: that's my point. I expected pacman to be more robust than this
2022-02-03 17:55:38	jelle	greyltc: for that #archlinux-pacman, 429 is like 404 a legit error to try a different mirror
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2022-02-03 18:01:24	thrice	jelle: yeah, the release is nice, I just noticed the youtube video in the comments, of someone calling out arch's toolchain
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2022-02-03 18:01:39	jelle	thrice: ohno!
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2022-02-03 18:02:49	thrice	I did learn what happens when one files security bugs, though
2022-02-03 18:03:14	bionade24	thrice: https://security.archlinux.org shows CVEs for glibc
2022-02-03 18:03:17	phrik	Title: Vulnerable issues - Arch Linux (at security.archlinux.org)
2022-02-03 18:03:57	jelle	thrice: what happens :O
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2022-02-03 18:04:37	thrice	I was hoping it would trigger a super secret committee, who was paid around the clock to keep us safe
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2022-02-03 18:05:00	jelle	that's probably security@archlinux.org
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2022-02-03 18:05:47	thrice	anyway, the answer is that nothing really happens :>
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2022-02-03 18:07:17	MacGyver	Anyone can see.
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2022-02-03 18:08:13	sensille	hm. latest update broke chrome, doesn't show a window
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2022-02-03 18:17:31	bionade24	sensille: What does it show from cmdline? Are you on wayland?
2022-02-03 18:18:07	sensille	no wayland. it shows: ERROR:sandbox_linux.cc(377)] InitializeSandbox() called with multiple threads in process gpu-process.
2022-02-03 18:18:15	sensille	no idea if that's a new message or not
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2022-02-03 18:18:23	sensille	can't interrupt it with ^C
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2022-02-03 18:24:31	sensille	with a new profile it starts
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2022-02-03 18:31:42	sensille	both my profiles are broken at once, that's strange
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2022-02-03 18:36:45	bionade24	sensille: What do you mean by profile? Maybe your question is better suited for the chrome mailing list, anyway
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2022-02-03 18:37:40	sensille	maybe. it might have just been a well known issue, but it doesn't seem to be
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2022-02-03 18:40:02	Dotz0cat_	No wonder the install image for a certien unliked OS did not boot. It was in a udf filesystem. Guess I need to unpack the iso
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2022-02-03 18:52:38	Dotz0cat_	What tool is there that I can put a disk image in and have it wrote to a usb drive? I can tell you that dd does not do the job here
2022-02-03 18:52:55	kevr	you're not giving enough information
2022-02-03 18:53:29	kevr	dd _is_ a tool you can use to put the arch iso onto a usb. this doesn't work for anything in existence.
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2022-02-03 18:53:48	The-Compiler	I use geteltorito.pl for Lenovo BIOS update ISOs, no idea if it works for other stuff too
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2022-02-03 18:54:14	The-Compiler	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/geteltorito/
2022-02-03 18:54:15	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - geteltorito (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-02-03 18:54:32	teraflops	yeah I do the same
2022-02-03 18:54:48	Dotz0cat_	I am trying to write the install iso for a certien unliked OS to a usb drive.
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2022-02-03 18:55:00	teraflops	Dotz0cat_: you have to tell us what OS is that iso
2022-02-03 18:55:03	Earnestly	Are you refering to Windows?
2022-02-03 18:55:10	salkin	Ghosthree3: thanks for the help earlier. now i get prompted for the passphrase and it finds my samsung_SSD etc. then it finishes and Cryptography Setup for my `cryptroot` and Reaches target **Basic System**. Once again there is a timeout, but now its /dev/gpt-auto-root . im thrown into emergency mode and then -> Cannot open access to console, the root account is locked :( What could i be missing
2022-02-03 18:55:10	salkin	now?
2022-02-03 18:55:21	◣	ManiacOfMadness (~ManiacOfM@2a02:587:32a1:4000:6153:38e0:10c3:989f) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-02-03 18:55:35	Dotz0cat_	yes its windows
2022-02-03 18:55:37	teraflops	depending on the os, the bootable usb have to be made accordingly 
2022-02-03 18:55:42	kevr	Dotz0cat_: Please do not omit what you are trying to do.
2022-02-03 18:55:45	kevr	OK.
2022-02-03 18:55:51	kevr	Yeah, without that information, nobody can really help youy.
2022-02-03 18:55:53	kevr	you*
2022-02-03 18:56:31	kevr	i legit just use the windows tool for that these days :/ they made it so annoying
2022-02-03 18:56:58	kevr	doesnt rufus work?
2022-02-03 18:57:04	teraflops	for windows using UEFI just uncompress the iso contents to a vfat formatted drive
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2022-02-03 18:57:29	teraflops	then you boot the usb from your UEFI menu
2022-02-03 18:58:10	Ghosthree3	salkin: did you set a password for root? if u did then i doubt its trying to mount the correct system because it shouldnt be locked
2022-02-03 18:58:42	Ghosthree3	is your root system actually on subvol @
2022-02-03 18:58:49	Earnestly	Dotz0cat_: There's a few tools which do this
2022-02-03 18:59:19	Earnestly	E.g. woeusb, I'm trying to remember another one with obscure name
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2022-02-03 19:00:23	kevr	ahhh yes, woeusb
2022-02-03 19:00:31	teraflops	mounting the iso and copying its content to an vfat usb stick should work
2022-02-03 19:00:35	gehidore	and is @ actually mounted
2022-02-03 19:00:39	gehidore	as root
2022-02-03 19:01:02	salkin	Ghosthree3: it did set a passwd for root user. the root is subvol @ and the btrfs_volume itself is subvol=/
2022-02-03 19:01:19	gehidore	salkin mounted by rootflags with bootloader?
2022-02-03 19:01:29	◣	MajorBiscuit (~MajorBisc@c-001-015-052.client.tudelft.eduvpn.nl) ha salido (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2022-02-03 19:01:35	gehidore	output of `mount` to a pastebin
2022-02-03 19:01:59	gehidore	oh fun encrypted
2022-02-03 19:02:05	salkin	gehidore: yepp with: ilUFO                                                                                        
2022-02-03 19:02:05	salkin	09:52 Forza: I saw the mention of @ naming. The idea is to separate subvols from normal dirs. Btrfs  
2022-02-03 19:02:05	salkin	itself doesn't care, so choose something that works for you. Mount -o subvol=@home is just as valid  
2022-02-03 19:02:05	salkin	as mount -o subvol=volume/home                                                                       
2022-02-03 19:02:05	salkin	+Dan86                                                                                               
2022-02-03 19:02:06	salkin	09:53 salkin: that is so nice! thanks for the clarification <3                                       
2022-02-03 19:02:06	salkin	Forza: I believe timeshift is a little rigid and expects the @ names.                                
2022-02-03 19:02:07	salkin	salkin: i see . good notes                                                                           
2022-02-03 19:02:07	salkin	salkin:                          
2022-02-03 19:02:07	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+o EMIYA] por ChanServ
2022-02-03 19:02:07	◣	EMIYA ha expulsado salkin (flood limit)
2022-02-03 19:02:16	teraflops	!!
2022-02-03 19:02:17	phrik	POPOZÃO!
2022-02-03 19:02:33	gehidore	woops
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2022-02-03 19:03:27	Earnestly	Hm, urge to adopt homeworld aesthetic
2022-02-03 19:04:05	Earnestly	Use eurostile everywhere
2022-02-03 19:04:29	◣	foton (~foton@user/foton) ha salido (Quit: %Bye, bye, ...%)
2022-02-03 19:04:42	DeepDayze	Seems salkin did not follow the rules about pasting into the channel
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2022-02-03 19:04:54	teraflops	it was a buffer incident
2022-02-03 19:04:54	◣	RyanHir (~admin@user/RyanHir) ha salido (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2022-02-03 19:05:20	Earnestly	DeepDayze: Just tripped flood trigger
2022-02-03 19:05:48	DeepDayze	I see that...can't paste that much into the channel directy
2022-02-03 19:05:56	Earnestly	wtf, mention eurostile, look at fontsquirrel for sans-serif displays and this is on front page: https://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/eurocine
2022-02-03 19:05:58	phrik	Title: Font Squirrel | Eurocine Font Free by Paulo Goode (at www.fontsquirrel.com)
2022-02-03 19:06:07	◣	almpori (~aplsm@177.25.191.226) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-02-03 19:06:09	Earnestly	This is too spooky
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2022-02-03 19:06:26	teraflops	heh it looks like cinemascope
2022-02-03 19:06:49	Earnestly	teraflops: Classic 'sci-fi' interface font used everywhere in those sorts of games/movies
2022-02-03 19:07:17	Earnestly	It's not quite eurostile, but takes lots of inspiration from it
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2022-02-03 19:07:38	Earnestly	teraflops: microgamma
2022-02-03 19:07:46	Earnestly	microgramma*
2022-02-03 19:07:55	Earnestly	Used in startrek
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2022-02-03 19:08:26	teraflops	the oblique is some sort of cursive?
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2022-02-03 19:12:11	ice9	if you ran `lsmod | wc -l` how many modules do you get?
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2022-02-03 19:13:54	salkin	hi again. sorry for the bloat multiline craze :) nice to get kicked once in a while.
2022-02-03 19:14:17	◣	magnavox (~MagnaVox@user/MagnaVox) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-02-03 19:15:57	salkin	Ghosthree3: gehidore: im was having trouble catting > the output of mount to ix.io .. so here is a paste of what i have done so far: https://paste.rs/AiW  -> what am i doing wrong? thanks!
2022-02-03 19:16:04	tylee	with what to replace NetworkManager? I broke it somehow and really don't want to fix. Connected to internet manually via wifi-menu but don't want to do it every time. nmtui is a good too; but NetworkManager is too bloated for my needs (I already read archwiki, but wanna head someone's experience)
2022-02-03 19:16:20	tylee	good tool *
2022-02-03 19:16:39	bionade24	tylee: connman
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2022-02-03 19:16:54	teraflops	tylee: wifi only?
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2022-02-03 19:17:08	bionade24	tylee: But I compile it manually with systemd-resolved as DNS resolver backend
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2022-02-03 19:17:55	teraflops	iwd + networkd I guess since NM is _bloated_ ^^
2022-02-03 19:18:00	tylee	bionade24: if it's simple, I'll install it. teraflops: yes, I use tor instead of vpn and dnscrypt as dns resolver, so wifi and maybe occasionally ethernet is only that i need
2022-02-03 19:18:12	salkin	thanks for pinging me teraflops :)
2022-02-03 19:18:18	teraflops	np ;)
2022-02-03 19:18:37	teraflops	!bloat
2022-02-03 19:18:37	phrik	teraflops: bloat <an alias on #archlinux, 1 argument>
2022-02-03 19:18:58	salkin	tylee: yes iwd w/ networkd and resolved
2022-02-03 19:19:04	wunit	!blot
2022-02-03 19:19:04	phrik	Because the 'a' in bloat is blot
2022-02-03 19:19:10	teraflops	ah ;)
2022-02-03 19:19:12	salkin	haha
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2022-02-03 19:19:50	tylee	Ok, thanks guys.
2022-02-03 19:20:01	⚡ 	tylee goes to read man
2022-02-03 19:20:03	tylee	:3
2022-02-03 19:20:59	teraflops	tylee: read the wiki first ;)
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2022-02-03 19:21:39	tylee	>I already read archwiki bruh
2022-02-03 19:21:43	DeepDayze	good to see salkin get things right...imagine catting his long chats to this channel...
2022-02-03 19:21:51	CyberShadow	Hi, I'm seeing 403 errors on archive.archlinux.org
2022-02-03 19:21:59	DeepDayze	bug report?
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2022-02-03 19:22:19	teraflops	works for me
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2022-02-03 19:22:51	CyberShadow	https://archive.archlinux.org/repos/2022/02/01/core/
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2022-02-03 19:23:13	DeepDayze	works for me (TM)
2022-02-03 19:23:27	◣	irb (NSAEchelon@retribution.maleficarum.org) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-02-03 19:23:39	DeepDayze	maybe the internet connection is too slow
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2022-02-03 19:23:58	CyberShadow	Also https://archive.archlinux.org/repos/2022/02/01/core/os/x86_64/core.db
2022-02-03 19:24:04	teraflops	ok the core part is giving me 403 
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2022-02-03 19:32:14	Khorne	jelle, it's nothing personal, I just do that by default :')
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2022-02-03 19:46:36	ℹ 	vukky es conocido ahora como vukkytoo
2022-02-03 19:47:12	ℹ 	vukkytoo es conocido ahora como vukky
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2022-02-03 19:55:57	ℹ 	vukky es conocido ahora como vukkytwo
2022-02-03 19:55:59	ℹ 	vukkytwo es conocido ahora como vukkythree
2022-02-03 19:56:42	ℹ 	vukkythree es conocido ahora como vukky
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2022-02-03 20:36:28	ℹ 	abirtx es conocido ahora como iusearchbtw
2022-02-03 20:36:41	ℹ 	iusearchbtw es conocido ahora como abirtx
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2022-02-03 20:42:21	teraflops	score is better with -cpu host tho https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/12569299
2022-02-03 20:42:23	phrik	Title: QEMU QEMU Virtual Machine - Geekbench Browser (at browser.geekbench.com)
2022-02-03 20:42:26	teraflops	oops 
2022-02-03 20:43:57	ℹ 	abirtx es conocido ahora como notknown
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2022-02-03 20:46:42	noobaroo	Does anyone know the best and cleanest and most appropriate way to fix pkexec "Can not open display" error? I see a few different solutions online. But they kind of seem like duct tape solutions... 
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2022-02-03 20:50:38	jonathon	noobaroo: something like `pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY="$xauth" $@` will work as a way to bypass its security model
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2022-02-03 20:52:32	MrElendig	what are you trying to run as root?
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2022-02-03 20:53:38	jaawerth	noobaroo: and what context are you trying to run it in?
2022-02-03 20:53:44	jaawerth	like, ssh session? tmux thinger?
2022-02-03 20:54:00	SysGhost	noobaroo: as I see it, whatever one need to run as root is better off to be ran as regular user, and the stuff it needs to access to have proper permissions set.
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2022-02-03 20:59:54	noobaroo	@jonathan thats the solution I've seen so far that's not manually creating a file for every single program
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2022-02-03 21:00:29	noobaroo	@SysGhost is that an idealistic goal or is that a realistic goal?
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2022-02-03 21:01:00	SysGhost	usually realistic. Sure there are exception to it, but they're rare and far between
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2022-02-03 21:02:11	teraflops	>for every single program. ouch
2022-02-03 21:02:12	SysGhost	The only time I actually had to to run an X program as root, was the program needing direct memory access to a piece of hardware.
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2022-02-03 21:03:08	SysGhost	I could probably write a proper driver for it that creates proper dev nodes. but... it wasn't that important.
2022-02-03 21:03:32	noobaroo	I think I'm not understanding... But I do want to listen and understand the correct way of doing things as long as its not like running a marathon
2022-02-03 21:04:06	SysGhost	Start with describing what you're trying to do in detail.
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2022-02-03 21:04:58	noobaroo	What I'm hearing is that it's better to chmod 777 /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf than to sudo nano /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf ? I know this isnt what you mean though 
2022-02-03 21:05:31	SysGhost	that seem like a bad advice.
2022-02-03 21:05:41	SysGhost	especially making it executable
2022-02-03 21:05:50	noobaroo	lollllllllll
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2022-02-03 21:06:12	SysGhost	Qith 777 anyone can put code in it an run it.
2022-02-03 21:06:15	bug2000	How reliable is zfs on linux for the simple case? FS+zstd?
2022-02-03 21:06:40	bug2000	noobaroo, it's better to sudoedit than sudo nano.
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2022-02-03 21:07:03	bug2000	SysGhost, I hear 7777 is even better :)
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2022-02-03 21:07:18	SysGhost	oof
2022-02-03 21:08:06	noobaroo	sudoedit okay . Thanks . And brb, gonna relogin
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2022-02-03 21:09:25	Ghosthree3	sudoedit is great, and safe!
2022-02-03 21:09:35	bug2000	Only problem is I never remember to use it :)
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2022-02-03 21:13:20	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-03 21:13:20	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1455 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1454 normals)
2022-02-03 21:13:22	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-03 21:13:42	jaawerth	yeah I keep thinking about it for the space saving and CoW stuff but then i hear scary stories
2022-02-03 21:13:44	MrElendig	also the issues with zfs sometimes lagging behind the kernel
2022-02-03 21:13:47	jaawerth	though they are getting less scary over time
2022-02-03 21:13:52	SysGhost	...given that other hardware in the computer has less than 99% reliability, taking the data with it in the process.
2022-02-03 21:14:22	⚡ 	SysGhost glares at how bad PSU's actually are.
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2022-02-03 21:14:32	SysGhost	...even the reputable ones
2022-02-03 21:14:36	jonathon	when was the last time zfs lagged behind the kernel? :/
2022-02-03 21:14:54	jaawerth	oh wait, y'all are talking zfs, ,not btrfs
2022-02-03 21:15:18	teraflops	jonathon: i recall reading it here like a month ago more or less
2022-02-03 21:15:24	bug2000	jonathanbuchh, and how much more reliable is it than btrfs and how much extra hassle is it?
2022-02-03 21:15:33	◣	dme86 (~dan@user/dan86) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-02-03 21:15:39	HuntsMan	well it can lag behind the kernel, since it is out of tree
2022-02-03 21:15:40	SysGhost	no <99.99999999998999% reliability is reliable enough to skip out on proper backup.
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2022-02-03 21:16:03	gehidore	even then
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2022-02-03 21:16:16	jonathon	bug2000: it's like 99% more reliable than btrfs and is well worth it for data drives. too much faff for me as an OS root though.
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2022-02-03 21:16:24	gehidore	if it can happen... it will happen
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2022-02-03 21:16:39	gehidore	jonathon source for that claim of 99% more reliable
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2022-02-03 21:16:49	jaawerth	that's the thing for me. I am just not gonna bother without out-of-the-box kernel support because I know I won't be as good as I should about maintaining it myself
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2022-02-03 21:17:19	jonathon	teraflops: hmm... i've helped keep zfs-dkms pretty much in-sync since at least 5.14, so not sure
2022-02-03 21:17:19	gehidore	I've been on butter since 3.x kernel and the only issues I've had were disk firmware or user error
2022-02-03 21:17:34	jonathon	gehidore: anecdotal evidence based on a random number i picked
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2022-02-03 21:17:44	gehidore	jonathon touche
2022-02-03 21:17:56	teraflops	jonathon: i recall it very well, as in the dude had to boot the arch iso, mount the thing and downgrade the linux package
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2022-02-03 21:18:07	teraflops	anyway just saying
2022-02-03 21:18:53	jonathon	hmm... i've found some weirdness in btrfs with random filesystem corruption before e.g. on a hard power off (and led to the whole filesystem dying), which zfs hasn't exhibited ... so far at least
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2022-02-03 21:19:11	jonathon	teraflops: ah, could conceivably be archzfs
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2022-02-03 21:19:40	jonathon	anyway. i like zfs. so there.
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2022-02-03 21:20:08	teraflops	tbh I only read good things about zfs on linux (from the people that use it)
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2022-02-03 21:23:34	teraflops	so much stuff to try and so little time to do so
2022-02-03 21:23:52	teraflops	I want to check this out https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2021/11/26/venus-on-qemu-enabling-new-virtual-vulkan-driver/
2022-02-03 21:23:57	phrik	Title: Venus on QEMU: Enabling the new virtual Vulkan driver (at www.collabora.com)
2022-02-03 21:24:01	jaawerth	I was *about* to switch to btrfs in february and then a guy I know told me at length about how their company had been using it as the backing store for their mail systems (running centos)  and ended up with two systems failing in a way that needed two days of downtime to recover
2022-02-03 21:24:10	bug2000	jonathanbuchh, I'll sleep about it.
2022-02-03 21:24:38	jaawerth	so I figured I'd wait a little longer and stick with ext4+lvm a bit longer ;-)
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2022-02-03 21:27:31	bug2000	The integrity sounds nice for less reliable drives that I suspect are not up to the task.
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2022-02-03 21:32:23	gehidore	facebook afaik still uses btrfs
2022-02-03 21:32:28	jonathon	bug2000: that's sensible, after all i could be a shill for Big ZFS Inc.
2022-02-03 21:32:35	bug2000	Are you not? :)
2022-02-03 21:32:39	gehidore	the big dangers have been in the past things like databases
2022-02-03 21:32:46	gehidore	or firmware bugs in some drives
2022-02-03 21:32:49	bug2000	ZOL is a project funded by the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory to develop a native Linux kernel module for its massive storage requirements and super computers.  - Does sound crazy.
2022-02-03 21:33:02	bug2000	Government development.
2022-02-03 21:33:11	jonathon	:D
2022-02-03 21:33:16	MrElendig	zol would be a lot easier to swallow if it wasn't for the licensing :/
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2022-02-03 21:36:59	jonathon	thinking about that, i'm surprised that hasn't been revisited, i seem to think the issue was with the solaris porting layer (though maybe it was deeper into zfs itself too)
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2022-02-03 21:37:31	MrElendig	supposedly an intentional choice to go with a incompatible license
2022-02-03 21:37:37	jonathon	-.-
2022-02-03 21:37:49	MrElendig	because gpl is evil™
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2022-02-03 21:39:35	MrElendig	they wanted to use the same codebase as on bsd, and can't have gpl stuff infect the pristine bsd
2022-02-03 21:40:36	Earnestly	That is very accurate description of what gpl does to codebases
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2022-02-03 21:47:23	gumbo	guys im trying to startx and getting errors. was wondering if somebody can look at it  https://termbin.com/5xgki
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2022-02-03 21:48:20	gumbo	it works on another user but the one im using it dosen't work, copied xinitrc from /etc/X11/xinitrc
2022-02-03 21:48:22	SysGhost	gumbo: the logs indicate no errors. Seems the session of yours just quits early.
2022-02-03 21:48:43	SysGhost	as ifwhatever you're trying to start don't exist or quits.
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2022-02-03 21:49:06	jonathon	^
2022-02-03 21:49:10	gumbo	SysGhost: should i exec dwm in the beginning ?
2022-02-03 21:49:13	SysGhost	make sure you have everything installed your xinitrc needs.
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2022-02-03 21:50:07	SysGhost	post your xinitrc too
2022-02-03 21:50:54	gumbo	ok
2022-02-03 21:51:32	SysGhost	the last lines in that log mentioning "device removed" is the shutdown procedure of X, as it has finished the job it was given.
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2022-02-03 21:51:41	SysGhost	which is normal
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2022-02-03 21:52:21	gumbo	SysGhost: https://termbin.com/i7fd
2022-02-03 21:52:44	SysGhost	if xinit can't execute a particular command from your xinitrc, it'll just skip to the next one. and once it reaches the end of the xinitrc, the X shuts down.
2022-02-03 21:52:57	gumbo	should i remove all that and just exec dwm ?
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2022-02-03 21:53:12	SysGhost	that could be a start to see if it works
2022-02-03 21:53:15	gumbo	ok
2022-02-03 21:53:22	jessicara	very different from my .xinitrc, where the window manager is at the end without exec (doesn't return)
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2022-02-03 21:54:16	gumbo	SysGhost: it worked removeing all that and just exec dwm
2022-02-03 21:54:19	gumbo	0_o
2022-02-03 21:54:33	◣	antani (~antani@user/antani) ha salido (Client Quit)
2022-02-03 21:54:39	jessicara	as far as i remember, it's normal for the window manager to start last and not return
2022-02-03 21:54:39	gumbo	ok Thanks all
2022-02-03 21:54:42	jessicara	like no & at the end
2022-02-03 21:54:51	SysGhost	gumbo: then something errors out and makes xinit quit early.
2022-02-03 21:54:51	jessicara	which would background it
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2022-02-03 21:55:40	MrElendig	I would tell i3 to launch picom instead of having it in the xinitrc
2022-02-03 21:55:50	MrElendig	s/i3/dwm/
2022-02-03 21:55:58	MrElendig	otherwise, just swap the order
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2022-02-04 12:51:07	Momentum	anyone using gnome evolution here? i just installed it and when i was about to setup my email it tried to look up my server and came up with a completely random server "mail.region17.net". is this normal?
2022-02-04 12:52:29	Khorne	It does some autodiscover or MX lookup shit
2022-02-04 12:52:31	Khorne	So depends?
2022-02-04 12:52:49	wasamasa	I've reported a bug: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1294195
2022-02-04 12:52:50	phrik	Title: 1294195 - chromium - An open-source project to help move the web forward. - Monorail (at bugs.chromium.org)
2022-02-04 12:52:50	teraflops	tried to look up how? what data did you provide?
2022-02-04 12:53:05	Khorne	teraflops, it looks up the mail server address based on the enteres email address
2022-02-04 12:53:09	wasamasa	I'm sure it will receive more attention than my other one :D
2022-02-04 12:53:12	wasamasa	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/70661?dev=600
2022-02-04 12:53:13	phrik	Title: FS#70661 : [PATCH] Emacs 27.2 segfaults due to glyph_row being set to NULL (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-02-04 12:53:24	Momentum	i only provided my email adress teraflops
2022-02-04 12:53:28	teraflops	then dns records are wonky?
2022-02-04 12:53:28	Khorne	teraflops, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Autoconfiguration:DNSBasedLookup
2022-02-04 12:53:41	Khorne	Probably
2022-02-04 12:53:52	Khorne	Is it some hosted email?
2022-02-04 12:54:11	Momentum	not really but probably lesser known host
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2022-02-04 12:54:32	Khorne	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-02-04 12:54:37	Khorne	Just overwrite it by hand
2022-02-04 12:54:44	teraflops	does it even (dns) has a ptr?
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2022-02-04 12:55:12	Momentum	i accidentally didn't notice that it used another address and used my credentials for it. so? is the password hashed before sent or something? or LOL already
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2022-02-04 12:56:08	teraflops	remove the account and start over I guess
2022-02-04 12:56:31	Momentum	yeah sure i'll do that
2022-02-04 12:56:31	Khorne	Also doesn't hurt to change your password :')
2022-02-04 12:56:42	Momentum	indeed
2022-02-04 12:57:18	Momentum	but this is totally unacceptable behavior ngl i'll just give up on this evolution thing altogether
2022-02-04 12:57:28	Khorne	Is it?
2022-02-04 12:58:06	Khorne	https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Autoconfig
2022-02-04 12:58:08	phrik	Title: Apps/Evolution/Autoconfig - GNOME Wiki! (at wiki.gnome.org)
2022-02-04 12:58:10	Momentum	totes i mean it's easy to accidentally accepted the suggested server
2022-02-04 12:58:10	teraflops	it has to cache your credentials unless you want to enter then every time you open the email client
2022-02-04 12:58:18	teraflops	them^
2022-02-04 12:58:29	Khorne	teraflops, the unacceptable behavior is looking up the wrong mail server
2022-02-04 12:58:35	teraflops	oh
2022-02-04 12:58:45	Khorne	Which is not evolutions fault but how your mailserver is configured, most likely
2022-02-04 12:59:00	teraflops	I agree it looks like a DNS issue
2022-02-04 12:59:03	Momentum	probably but still
2022-02-04 13:00:48	teraflops	if you do run an email server that does multi domain you have to configure the MX records accordingly to avoid such behaviour
2022-02-04 13:01:06	teraflops	I do so and I never had such issues
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2022-02-04 13:02:04	arun	Which kernel is better for responsive desktop (no gaming). linux zen or linux tkg or something else?
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2022-02-04 13:02:56	thrice	uneducated, but I'd be skeptical that you can even notice a difference vs. the mainline
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2022-02-04 13:04:02	Momentum	got it teraflops. i'm not self hosting it but i think the server i'm using has some funky MX record or something
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2022-02-04 13:56:32	arun	jancoow: just take backups, convert mbr to gpt and replace grub with grub-uefi / systemd boot
2022-02-04 14:06:26	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-04 14:25:01	jancoow	Arun for now I booted with an grub eufi usb thinhy
2022-02-04 14:25:13	jancoow	I've to fix this evening..
2022-02-04 14:26:20	arun	you could use systemd-boot. it's easier than grub-uefi
2022-02-04 14:27:52	Namarrgon	you also need an ESP, converting to GPT isn't enough
2022-02-04 14:36:14	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-04 14:50:27	jancoow	I need to make a new partition right
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2022-02-04 14:51:32	arun	thrice: For me zen kernel performs better than default arch kernel. Probably you have better hardware so you don't notice slowdowns.
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2022-02-04 14:52:28	arun	jancoow: yes. new fat partition for uefi. atleast 200mb recommended.
2022-02-04 14:53:49	jancoow	I've just build a 5700g for work
2022-02-04 14:53:57	thearcanebrony	yo, question
2022-02-04 14:54:10	thearcanebrony	how can i make the proprietary nvidia driver do modesetting before xorg is loaded?
2022-02-04 14:54:45	jancoow	Arun my boot partition is at sda1, 488mb. I think I'll shrink that with 200 mb for eufi, is that okay?
2022-02-04 14:54:46	thearcanebrony	i inlcuded the modules in mkinitcpio and set the kernel param, but it doesnt seem to work
2022-02-04 14:55:06	jancoow	So I can create an eufi partition
2022-02-04 14:55:47	arun	no need to shrinkif you can afford. but 488 mb is not needed and space gets wasted.
2022-02-04 14:56:12	jancoow	Yes
2022-02-04 14:56:24	thearcanebrony	mine is 500M
2022-02-04 14:56:33	jancoow	I've already allocated everything else on the ssd
2022-02-04 14:56:36	Scimmia	thearcanebrony: I'm guessing you're confusing modesetting with fbdev? What are you looking for, exactly?
2022-02-04 14:56:55	thearcanebrony	making the kernel switch the video resulution for boot console to 4k
2022-02-04 14:57:04	thearcanebrony	instead of somethingx768 or whatever it uses
2022-02-04 14:57:21	Scimmia	yeah, that's separate from modesetting
2022-02-04 14:57:26	thearcanebrony	ah
2022-02-04 14:57:34	Scimmia	See the note here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#DRM_kernel_mode_setting
2022-02-04 14:57:36	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-04 14:58:06	thearcanebrony	i did enable DRM
2022-02-04 14:58:34	thearcanebrony	oh
2022-02-04 14:58:49	thearcanebrony	how can i use efifb with efiboot?
2022-02-04 14:59:18	thearcanebrony	(kesboot)
2022-02-04 14:59:46	Scimmia	no idea
2022-02-04 15:01:17	thearcanebrony	it works fine in the arch iso but that uses systemd-boot
2022-02-04 15:02:01	Scimmia	That also uses nouveau, not nvidia
2022-02-04 15:02:25	thearcanebrony	right, proprietary 
2022-02-04 15:03:59	thearcanebrony	how's nouveau scale up against propretyar drivers?
2022-02-04 15:05:27	Scimmia	I haven't had an nvidia card for a very long time, so I can't speak from experience
2022-02-04 15:06:14	thearcanebrony	fair enough
2022-02-04 15:20:05	arun	not good for gaming afaik.
2022-02-04 15:20:25	thearcanebrony	stick to proprietary, got it
2022-02-04 15:20:52	NoImNotNineVolt	or do passthrough to a gaming vm
2022-02-04 15:21:23	thearcanebrony	the less i can use windows at this point the better 
2022-02-04 15:21:46	thearcanebrony	installed linux because windows keeps rebooting every few hours because the RPC server dies
2022-02-04 15:22:23	NoImNotNineVolt	that's why i keep it locked in a vm :P
2022-02-04 15:22:32	thearcanebrony	true
2022-02-04 15:23:02	thearcanebrony	spent 4 days backing up my windows drive for a reason
2022-02-04 15:23:18	NoImNotNineVolt	now you can mount it as a virtual image :P
2022-02-04 15:23:20	vukky	windows kept crashing every time i did something related to virtualization no matter what
2022-02-04 15:23:28	vukky	works fine here though, so...
2022-02-04 15:25:49	myth	I'm scared to buy an Arch server but at the same time idk how VFIO works on RHEL
2022-02-04 15:26:05	thearcanebrony	i run arch on my server
2022-02-04 15:26:23	thearcanebrony	havent really had issues with it aside running out of disk space
2022-02-04 15:26:28	myth	yea but its *kinda* unstable and i need 100% uptime
2022-02-04 15:26:36	Ghosthree3	its not 'unstable'
2022-02-04 15:26:48	thearcanebrony	depends on how you manage it, really
2022-02-04 15:26:49	Ghosthree3	it doesnt just choose to stop working one day
2022-02-04 15:26:59	myth	fair enough
2022-02-04 15:27:15	Ghosthree3	you just might need to handle pacnews or something or services wont start properly if there was a breaking change (rare). its really not hard to manage
2022-02-04 15:27:49	thearcanebrony	https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/507912465066098697/939165323108712488/unknown.png
2022-02-04 15:27:49	myth	I do like RHEL's management features though but I guess I wouldn't have to learn two distros
2022-02-04 15:30:25	alad	your, say, email server might stop working one day if upstream made incompatible changes, and you didn't spend time to migrate them
2022-02-04 15:30:52	Scimmia	100% uptime? Good luck with that
2022-02-04 15:30:57	alad	that kind of stuff isn't going to happen on a "stable" distro
2022-02-04 15:31:06	alad	99.63%
2022-02-04 15:32:00	jelle	welcome to pendantic o'clock
2022-02-04 15:34:46	Ghosthree3	waiting on a package to  get updated for several days. finally updated! the maintainer updated to the old release, there was a new major release 5 days ago ._.
2022-02-04 15:35:27	Foxboron	Ghosthree3: hm? There are several reasons for that happening
2022-02-04 15:35:40	Ghosthree3	no idea why it would have happened
2022-02-04 15:35:47	Ghosthree3	https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/gitea/ https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/releases
2022-02-04 15:35:49	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - gitea 1.15.11-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-02-04 15:35:54	Ghosthree3	not sure if i should flag it or not
2022-02-04 15:37:19	Ghosthree3	(the service file for this package is also broken, not sure if its a systemd bug)
2022-02-04 15:37:31	jelle	it's a systemd bug iirc :)
2022-02-04 15:38:13	jelle	https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/22264 might be related
2022-02-04 15:39:11	Ghosthree3	yea i saw that, the issue i get is the exact opposite, but may still be related
2022-02-04 15:39:30	Ghosthree3	rather than saying file exists, it says it cant find them
2022-02-04 15:40:23	Ghosthree3	tossing up flagging it, idk why he's done that
2022-02-04 15:40:33	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-04 15:40:40	demonicmaniac1	if a new major version isn't put into the repos it's usually because of breaking changes or new deps not in repos
2022-02-04 15:40:52	demonicmaniac1	when the new version depends on new things that aren't in repos
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2022-02-04 15:41:27	Ghosthree3	ah true, i guess he cant push it through if there's a dep issue
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2022-02-04 15:42:57	Namarrgon	the new branch has some breaking changes, which may require some more planning
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2022-02-04 15:44:10	weltio	ok without "psmouse" i dont have a keyboard in cryptetup
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2022-02-04 15:44:21	weltio	but psmouse is not added automatically - why?
2022-02-04 15:44:30	weltio	im speaking of dracut if that is of relevant
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2022-02-04 15:45:38	ℹ 	d10n_ es conocido ahora como d10n
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2022-02-04 15:46:32	thearcanebrony	mmmm getting trolled by systemd
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2022-02-04 15:46:51	thearcanebrony	`Failed to connect to bus: No medium found` when i use systemctl with --user as root thru `sudo su`
2022-02-04 15:47:21	Namarrgon	--user with sudo makes little sense
2022-02-04 15:47:36	thearcanebrony	im trying to enable a user service for root
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2022-02-04 15:47:48	Khorne	why
2022-02-04 15:47:54	Namarrgon	then log in properly
2022-02-04 15:47:57	thearcanebrony	[root@tab-linux-desktop ~]# systemctl enable ssh-agent --user
2022-02-04 15:47:57	thearcanebrony	Failed to connect to bus: No medium found
2022-02-04 15:48:10	thearcanebrony	`sudo su -` does the same thing
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2022-02-04 15:49:25	thearcanebrony	doing it from `su` results in `Failed to connect to bus: Operation not permitted`
2022-02-04 15:49:30	alad	!xyproblem
2022-02-04 15:49:31	phrik	Tell us what you're REALLY trying to do. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
2022-02-04 15:49:36	Namarrgon	what is "ssh-agent"?
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2022-02-04 15:49:51	thearcanebrony	the thing that allows you to skip entering passwords for ssh keys
2022-02-04 15:50:17	Namarrgon	what is the name of the unit? where did you get it from?
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2022-02-04 15:50:26	thearcanebrony	`ssh-agent`
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2022-02-04 15:50:35	ℹ 	jkotra_ es conocido ahora como jkotra
2022-02-04 15:50:43	thearcanebrony	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/systemd-ssh-agent
2022-02-04 15:50:43	Namarrgon	that's a name of a binary
2022-02-04 15:50:43	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - systemd-ssh-agent (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2022-02-04 15:52:50	Ghosthree3	another victim claimed by dbus
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2022-02-04 15:55:45	TheArcaneBrony_	lets see if this works at all
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2022-02-04 15:56:41	Khorne	You know you can pass an identity_file to sshfs?
2022-02-04 15:56:46	Namarrgon	you would need to enable lingering for the logind session
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2022-02-04 15:57:40	jancoow	Arun when I shrink the boot partition, do I need to update grub or anything?
2022-02-04 15:57:48	Khorne	So who is entering that when ssh-agent tries to load the key?
2022-02-04 15:57:48	jancoow	Or will it still work
2022-02-04 15:58:19	arun	jancoow: no need
2022-02-04 15:58:37	Namarrgon	jancoow: as long as the partition and filesystem UUIDs don't change you don't need to reinstall grub
2022-02-04 15:58:45	arun	yeah
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2022-02-04 15:58:56	Namarrgon	if you switched from legacy to uefi you need to reinstall grub anyway
2022-02-04 15:59:13	Khorne	TheArcaneBrony_, then remove the password from it
2022-02-04 15:59:15	Namarrgon	TheArcaneBrony_: then don't use a key with a passphrase
2022-02-04 15:59:45	Namarrgon	for some definition of 'insecure'
2022-02-04 15:59:59	Khorne	You can of course store the password in plaintext in your unit and feed that via stdin or something
2022-02-04 16:00:12	Khorne	But that doesn't change any of the security considerations
2022-02-04 16:00:26	Namarrgon	TheArcaneBrony_: --user units don't start if the user isn't logged in
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2022-02-04 16:00:57	Namarrgon	are we still talking about root's ssh-agent unit?
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2022-02-04 16:02:42	Namarrgon	did the unit fail?
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2022-02-04 16:03:12	Namarrgon	...
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2022-02-04 16:03:56	mkoskar	that's how it should be
2022-02-04 16:04:17	Khorne	ssh-agent can not load a key that has a password without in someway receiving said password
2022-02-04 16:04:36	Khorne	If you need it automatically just use a keyfile without a password
2022-02-04 16:04:50	Namarrgon	and stuff it into fstab instead of using this ssh-agent unit
2022-02-04 16:04:54	Khorne	^
2022-02-04 16:05:43	Khorne	Then you are either not using the same keyfile or whatever you use as agent stores the password as well
2022-02-04 16:05:44	Namarrgon	for that to work you would need to write the plain-text password to disk
2022-02-04 16:06:00	Khorne	In which case you might as well just store a passwordless keyfile
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2022-02-04 16:07:13	Namarrgon	if the server supports it, sure
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2022-02-04 16:08:50	Namarrgon	make sure the key is not accessible by anyone other than root and that you have no glaring backdoors to your root account
2022-02-04 16:09:41	Namarrgon	or frontdoors
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2022-02-04 16:10:17	Namarrgon	are you sure your windows key wasn't passwordless?
2022-02-04 16:10:53	Namarrgon	and you weren't using any other password manager to unlock the key?
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2022-02-04 16:12:29	Namarrgon	ssh-agent alone does not support what you describe
2022-02-04 16:12:57	Namarrgon	depending on which implementation of 'ssh-agent' you used it might have support the cred-store on windows, i don't know
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2022-02-04 16:16:44	luigibu	is ther any adventage of installing an app with pacman or snap?
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2022-02-04 16:17:27	Ghosthree3	packages installed with pacman are managed by pacman and are in tune with the rest of the system
2022-02-04 16:17:36	Khorne	To help with that, use ssh-agent to securely store the private keys within a Windows security context, associated with your Windows login. 
2022-02-04 16:17:40	Khorne	Yea..
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2022-02-04 16:19:03	luigibu	Ghosthree3: thanks! i just sow.. snap has a certain app up to date.. and in pacman the version is older.. but.. yes.. i choose the pacman version anyway.. just to keep all apps centralized
2022-02-04 16:19:05	◥	zebrag (~chris@user/zebrag) has joined #archlinux
2022-02-04 16:19:22	Ghosthree3	luigibu: snaps also bundle every dependency the software needs with the package even if you already have those dependencies installed, and the software is bound to those dependencies
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2022-02-04 16:19:57	jelle	luigibu: biggest issue is that snap is not available in the arch repos, flatpack is :)
2022-02-04 16:20:45	luigibu	thanks a lot guys
2022-02-04 16:20:48	◣	spacelord (~spacelord@user/acid-king/x-4783339) ha salido (Quit: spacelord)
2022-02-04 16:21:22	luigibu	and ho is in charge of keeping packes up to date? ho create them? or can i contribute to it?
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2022-02-04 16:22:24	ice99	while running sysdig spy users I saw these commands https://bpa.st/FUFQ is it something normal?
2022-02-04 16:22:26	phrik	Title: View paste FUFQ (at bpa.st)
2022-02-04 16:22:26	ℹ 	alad es conocido ahora como gehidoreswood
2022-02-04 16:23:04	Namarrgon	is this arch?
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2022-02-04 16:23:37	ℹ 	gehidoreswood es conocido ahora como alad
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2022-02-04 16:24:44	noobaroo	Anybody have any evidence of development for Unagi after 2012? Or any documentation other than the outdated website listed on arch wiki... 
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2022-02-04 16:25:56	Namarrgon	it's dead, jim
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2022-02-04 16:27:31	levitating	noobaroo: I still don't really get why you want to use Unagi
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2022-02-04 16:29:33	aminvakil	i use ssh jump to reach some of my servers and some hot-keys like Ctrl + Delete don't work on the remote server which has been reached jumped from another server
2022-02-04 16:29:49	aminvakil	entering Ctrl+Delete outputs 5~
2022-02-04 16:30:00	aminvakil	can i somehow fix this?
2022-02-04 16:30:31	jancoow	Arun namarrgon okay thnx
2022-02-04 16:30:41	noobaroo	Well, its goals/ideals line up with my needs. Plus, it uses less system resources than any other compositing manager I've tried.
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2022-02-04 16:32:18	aminvakil	hmmm, now i've realized if end server is an arch server, it behaves correctly, so probably not a question for this channel, sorry for the noise
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2022-02-04 16:32:35	teraflops	aminvakil: maybe the $TERM variable is wrong
2022-02-04 16:32:37	Namarrgon	which TE aer you using?
2022-02-04 16:32:39	Namarrgon	*are
2022-02-04 16:32:42	levitating	cedb: You did a system upgrade?
2022-02-04 16:32:51	aminvakil	Namarrgon: konsole
2022-02-04 16:32:51	NetSysFire	!give cedb aw debugging regressions
2022-02-04 16:32:52	phrik	cedb: Debugging regressions - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debugging_regressions
2022-02-04 16:32:56	NetSysFire	try this
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2022-02-04 16:33:15	Namarrgon	aminvakil: try something older like xterm
2022-02-04 16:33:18	cedb	okay sorry my bad i expressed myself poorly
2022-02-04 16:33:22	aminvakil	teraflops: xterm-256color
2022-02-04 16:33:26	noobaroo	It seems to use less cpu power and ram compared to picom and xcompmgr. I'm all for effiency. Why use an F350 when an F150 does the job?I don't need extra compositing effects other than the basic functionality 
2022-02-04 16:33:34	cedb	it doesnt work on a fresh install but it worked on the old one
2022-02-04 16:33:49	NetSysFire	same hw?
2022-02-04 16:33:53	cedb	yup
2022-02-04 16:34:19	noobaroo	Unless of course the F350 is manufactured in 2022 and the F150 is manufactured 10 years prior... 
2022-02-04 16:34:20	cedb	systemctl status bluetooth returns "Bluetooth service was skipped because of failed condition checked"
2022-02-04 16:34:20	aminvakil	teraflops: on my pc, middle server, end server (both arch and non-working servers) , in all of them echo $TERM outputs xterm-256color
2022-02-04 16:34:30	NetSysFire	cedb: paste your journal
2022-02-04 16:35:26	aminvakil	Namarrgon: xterm, same behvaiour
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2022-02-04 16:35:42	cedb	NetSysFire: http://ix.io/3ODQ
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2022-02-04 16:36:00	noobaroo	teraflops: How does one change the $TERM variable? I've been wondering lately because I get errors when I try to change it manually. The web says it's automatically set but that's not a satisfying answer for me.
2022-02-04 16:36:13	cedb	NetSysFire:  all the restarts is me trying to nuke it into working
2022-02-04 16:36:14	Namarrgon	aminvakil: which OS does the misbehaving system run?
2022-02-04 16:36:15	NetSysFire	cedb: huh. is the kernel module loaded?
2022-02-04 16:36:29	NetSysFire	its called "bluetooth"
2022-02-04 16:36:33	teraflops	noobaroo: just export it
2022-02-04 16:36:35	aminvakil	Rocky Linux 8, Debian 10, Ubuntu 18.04
2022-02-04 16:36:49	teraflops	you mean automatically based on the destination host?
2022-02-04 16:36:55	cedb	NetSysFire: after modprobe http://ix.io/3ODQ
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2022-02-04 16:37:17	cedb	i guess i should restart it
2022-02-04 16:37:25	aminvakil	Namarrgon: oh, sorry, i just realized, this works fine on my Debian 10 and Debian 11 servers
2022-02-04 16:37:37	aminvakil	so ubuntu 18.04 and Rocky Linux 8 are the faulty ones
2022-02-04 16:37:54	noobaroo	teraflops: I get errors when I put it in my .zshenv. And my .zshrc. Plus the web says it should not be set manually, is that true?
2022-02-04 16:37:54	aminvakil	also CentOS 7
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2022-02-04 16:38:10	teraflops	aminvakil: does the terminfo file exist on the remote hosts?
2022-02-04 16:38:22	aminvakil	teraflops: where should i look for it?
2022-02-04 16:38:35	teraflops	/usr/share/terminfo/whatever iirc
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2022-02-04 16:38:43	aminvakil	yes
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2022-02-04 16:39:44	teraflops	you can set the terminfo file on the remote host if you put in in the right location on user's home folder
2022-02-04 16:40:04	teraflops	just in case you do no have access to /usr/share
2022-02-04 16:40:17	teraflops	put it^
2022-02-04 16:40:24	aminvakil	ubuntu 18: 4.4.20(1)-release | rocky 8: 4.4.20(1)-release | centos 7: 4.2.46(2)-release | debian 10: 5.0.3(1)-release
2022-02-04 16:40:39	teraflops	but idk if that's your issue since the terminfo file already exists
2022-02-04 16:40:47	aminvakil	maybe this is something related to bash < 5.0
2022-02-04 16:41:00	teraflops	how old is that thing? ;)
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2022-02-04 16:41:23	Mm2PL	!paste
2022-02-04 16:41:23	aminvakil	just tried a centos 7 server directly (without jump, etc.) and it's broken here too, is not related to jump then...
2022-02-04 16:41:23	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-02-04 16:41:28	cedb	NetSysFire: okay the module wasnt loaded my bad, i modprobed -r 'ed it cause I was trying to debug this yesterday but gave up
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2022-02-04 16:41:40	aminvakil	teraflops: all servers are fully updated if that's what you mean
2022-02-04 16:41:48	cedb	now in bluetoothctl i get "no default controller available" when I try "power on"
2022-02-04 16:42:09	cedb	bluetooth doesnt show up on rfkill either
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2022-02-04 16:43:45	NetSysFire	are you sure you are in the appropriate groups?
2022-02-04 16:43:52	NetSysFire	i think you need to be in a special group
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2022-02-04 16:57:01	Mm2PL	Hi! I'm having trouble getting my XP-Pen tablet to work, no input. It used to work fine with no config on my old Ubuntu setup. I'm using X11, i3. I've done no X config. journalctl log and libinput errors i get when using its utils are here: https://gist.github.com/Mm2PL/51886dac9ad738952a3d323304838d9b Can I have some pointers on how to fix this or why it doesn't work? 
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2022-02-04 17:01:20	cedb	NetSysFire: hmm good eye imma check that
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2022-02-04 17:13:03	Namarrgon	Mm2PL: are you using the digimend driver?
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2022-02-04 17:13:33	Mm2PL	nope
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2022-02-04 17:17:29	levitating	Mm2PL: You can install the digimend drivers with this aur package: digimend-drivers-git-dkms
2022-02-04 17:17:36	levitating	I think that's the correct one anyway
2022-02-04 17:18:27	Mm2PL	sure, let's try
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2022-02-04 17:19:36	myth	is there any way to apply to be a packager/maintainer?
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2022-02-04 17:20:41	levitating	myth: You can apply to be a trusted user via the mailing lists
2022-02-04 17:20:46	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Trusted_Users
2022-02-04 17:20:47	phrik	Title: Trusted Users - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-04 17:21:09	Namarrgon	you want to have a good track-record and then find two sponsors
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2022-02-04 17:22:35	myth	well I know no one lol
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2022-02-04 17:22:57	levitating	myth: You can begin by taking care of packages in the aur
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2022-02-04 17:23:28	levitating	Search for orphaned and/or out-of-date packages
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2022-02-04 17:23:46	myth	fair enough, thanks
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2022-02-04 17:24:15	warusodane	hi, i think avahi is killing my networking?
2022-02-04 17:24:17	BrainDamage	or write your own
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2022-02-04 17:25:23	warusodane	https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/xehubomawa.apache
2022-02-04 17:25:25	phrik	Title: Hastebin: Send and Save Text or Code Snippets for Free | Toptal® (at www.toptal.com)
2022-02-04 17:25:50	warusodane	could
2022-02-04 17:25:55	warusodane	*could it be relevant?
2022-02-04 17:26:13	Namarrgon	" wlan0: Connection to AP MACADDRESS lost"
2022-02-04 17:26:16	levitating	Hastebin has been sold? I wonder how much the owner made.
2022-02-04 17:26:55	warusodane	they also bought gitignore
2022-02-04 17:27:10	BrainDamage	you're losing connection to the AP, but also acquiring a new ip 
2022-02-04 17:27:21	BrainDamage	did you by chance enable avahi autoipd?
2022-02-04 17:27:39	BrainDamage	maybe the router boots you off after you try to change your ip after you got one with dhcp
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2022-02-04 17:27:48	weltio	ok without "psmouse" i dont have a keyboard in cryptetup
2022-02-04 17:27:50	weltio	but psmouse is not added automatically - why?
2022-02-04 17:27:51	weltio	im speaking of dracut if that is of relevant
2022-02-04 17:27:58	weltio	relevance*
2022-02-04 17:28:03	warusodane	maybe some script, i'll just purge avahi completely. just wondering if anyone else had any problem with something like this
2022-02-04 17:28:06	BrainDamage	altough it's the strange, avahi should only assign ips in the 169.254 range
2022-02-04 17:28:22	BrainDamage	which is ipv4ll
2022-02-04 17:28:31	warusodane	oh so that's why i see 169.254 ips on my openwrt
2022-02-04 17:28:36	Namarrgon	weltio: you'll have more luck finding help with mkinitcpio, not many people use dracut
2022-02-04 17:28:40	warusodane	man this avahi is more hassle than its worth
2022-02-04 17:28:43	BrainDamage	you can mask the service
2022-02-04 17:28:51	BrainDamage	well, it doesn't do it on its own
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2022-02-04 17:28:57	BrainDamage	you have to tell it to
2022-02-04 17:29:06	warusodane	danke
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2022-02-04 17:29:34	shem	7 generations of my ancestors have established a public pastebin, then sold it and lived as pillars of community thereafter. i must follow in their example.
2022-02-04 17:29:50	warusodane	good luck dealing with takedown orders
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2022-02-04 17:30:40	levitating	I made a pastebin server just to only make it accessible from my own ip
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2022-02-04 17:31:14	warusodane	so a fancy local ftp server?
2022-02-04 17:31:16	BrainDamage	I hope you mean write access, otherwise it's kinda pointless
2022-02-04 17:32:08	levitating	Ye the http part of it is public
2022-02-04 17:32:13	levitating	http://catbin.xyz
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2022-02-04 17:32:50	weltio	Namarrgon: there was the same problem - which was the reason why i switched to dracut
2022-02-04 17:32:51	warusodane	wow this is cool, mind if i set an instance for my own?
2022-02-04 17:33:13	weltio	so: why dont i get a functional cryptsetup askpass at boot time
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2022-02-04 17:33:25	warusodane	https://github.com/dutchcoders/transfer.sh/
2022-02-04 17:33:25	Namarrgon	weltio: did you add the required modules to MODULES?
2022-02-04 17:33:26	levitating	warusodane: Ye sure, if you have any questions about the code or configuration just make an issue.
2022-02-04 17:33:34	warusodane	there's also this if you wanna go a step further
2022-02-04 17:33:34	Namarrgon	weltio: does the fallback initramfs work?
2022-02-04 17:33:54	warusodane	danke, have a nice day guys
2022-02-04 17:33:57	weltio	Namarrgon: whaty modules? since when do i have to add special modules for a keyboard?
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2022-02-04 17:34:23	weltio	Namarrgon: didnt have any; but in vbox the normal image worked
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2022-02-04 17:36:35	Namarrgon	weltio: you need the modules since they were split out from the main kernel blob
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2022-02-04 17:36:48	Namarrgon	which happened many years ago on arch
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2022-02-04 17:38:57	Namarrgon	the "low-level" driver is usually i8042, then something like 'serio' on top if it
2022-02-04 17:39:10	weltio	Namarrgon: those are both included
2022-02-04 17:39:28	Namarrgon	in a bad initramfs?
2022-02-04 17:39:31	weltio	i need to specify psmouse explicitly - which is weird 
2022-02-04 17:39:47	Namarrgon	do you even have a ps/2 keyboard?
2022-02-04 17:39:48	weltio	how bad?
2022-02-04 17:39:51	weltio	Namarrgon: no
2022-02-04 17:39:55	weltio	its a laptop
2022-02-04 17:40:07	Namarrgon	which is connected via ps/2?
2022-02-04 17:40:09	weltio	(not an old one)
2022-02-04 17:40:18	weltio	Namarrgon: of course not - not that id know
2022-02-04 17:40:30	Namarrgon	then don't say that it isn't connected via ps/2
2022-02-04 17:41:00	Namarrgon	diff the modules of a working and broken initramfs
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2022-02-04 17:41:20	weltio	Namarrgon: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=243254
2022-02-04 17:41:21	phrik	Title: Keyboard does not work at LUKS password prompt / Installation / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-02-04 17:41:23	Namarrgon	https://archlinux.org/news/linux-313-warning-ps2-keyboard-support-is-now-modular/
2022-02-04 17:41:24	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Linux 3.13 WARNING: PS/2 keyboard support is now modular (at archlinux.org)
2022-02-04 17:41:24	weltio	pretty much my problem
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2022-02-04 17:42:13	Namarrgon	that's about a usb keyboard
2022-02-04 17:42:28	Namarrgon	or not, nvm
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2022-02-04 17:43:34	weltio	mhm so the keyboard and autodetect hooks dont autodetect a defualt laptop keyboard?
2022-02-04 17:43:40	weltio	now thats rly weird
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2022-02-04 17:43:57	Scimmia	autodetect just removes things
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2022-02-04 17:44:21	Namarrgon	they will if it's possible
2022-02-04 17:44:34	Namarrgon	but ps2 is a old tech and doesn't play nice
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2022-02-04 17:44:53	Namarrgon	s/a //
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2022-02-04 17:46:00	Namarrgon	ps/2 emulation in the firmware can also get in the way
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2022-02-04 17:48:11	weltio	Namarrgon: right, for my archiso i just needed to add linux-firmware - for the install it didnt suffice
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2022-02-04 20:02:37	rowan	Warepipe I downgraded my kernel and kernel headers to the version before update and it resolved my issue. Thanks for your help
2022-02-04 20:03:44	Warepire	No problem
2022-02-04 20:14:15	Khorne	That did in no way resolve your issue unless you intend to never upgrade again...
2022-02-04 20:38:28	myth	Khorne: until a kernel update to fix it comes out
2022-02-04 20:38:39	gumbo	is there a way to apply patches to dwm via archlinux way or do i have to do it the suckless way?
2022-02-04 20:38:56	Khorne	gumbo,apply patch via pkgbuild
2022-02-04 20:39:05	myth	suckless way, its what makes suckless suck less
2022-02-04 20:39:50	gumbo	Khorne: how?
2022-02-04 20:40:02	gumbo	thanks myth
2022-02-04 20:40:04	Khorne	suckless sucks more in fact
2022-02-04 20:40:21	Khorne	gumbo, download the patch, apply it in the prepare function of the pkgbuild, build package
2022-02-04 20:41:29	myth	thats the equivalent of doing it the suckless way though.. like it doesnt do any extra steps such as applying multiple and solving conflicts and whatnot. If you're applying one, sure go ahead but just cramming patches into the PKGBUILD is not a be all end all solution
2022-02-04 20:42:26	Khorne	No but it keeps you from scattering untracked executables all over your system..
2022-02-04 20:42:44	Khorne	But sure, you do you
2022-02-04 20:42:46	myth	fair enough
2022-02-04 20:43:18	BrainDamage	just keep every permutation possible of patches/setup
2022-02-04 20:43:35	myth	.local/share/suckless_source
2022-02-04 20:43:51	Khorne	!suckless
2022-02-04 20:43:51	phrik	worse is better^H^H^H^H^H^Hworse
2022-02-04 20:44:21	Khorne	24 patches and you achieved xterm
2022-02-04 20:55:01	shibboleth	uhm, let's assume an interface is configured as a "dhcp client". that is, it's getting its ip/mask through dhcp but you're not pulling routes (to prevent dual defaultroute issues).
2022-02-04 20:55:12	shibboleth	so, it's getting xx.xx.xx.99
2022-02-04 20:55:43	shibboleth	i wanna add some automatic and static routes for other subnets, but i don't know what xx.xx.xx will be
2022-02-04 20:55:52	shibboleth	only that xx.xx.xx.1 will be the valid router
2022-02-04 20:58:32	shibboleth	i could use a bash script and sed, but presumably there's a less hairy way?
2022-02-04 20:59:10	BrainDamage	why not pull the routes anyway, and just have them a very high metric?
2022-02-04 20:59:36	BrainDamage	this way the default wouldn't get chosen over your preferred iface, and you'd get the route infos without hardcoding them
2022-02-04 21:00:37	shibboleth	well, i'd run into some "wrong hole"-issues if the primary iface happens to be down
2022-02-04 21:01:43	BrainDamage	you can still add another default route, with metric less than that iface, which redirects to localhost
2022-02-04 21:02:17	BrainDamage	so it's either the preferred, or failed routes
2022-02-04 21:04:26	shibboleth	yes, well... does iproute2 have any magic for wildcards?
2022-02-04 21:04:57	shibboleth	route add -net 1.2.3.0/24 gw x.x.x.1 dev foo?
2022-02-04 21:05:33	shibboleth	it'll always be .1 on dev foo, but i don't necessarily know what x.x.x will be
2022-02-04 21:05:52	MrElendig	shibboleth: you should prefer ip route these days
2022-02-04 21:05:59	shibboleth	aaaanyway
2022-02-04 21:06:41	shibboleth	yes, well... does iproute2 or ip/ip r have any magic for wildcards?
2022-02-04 21:06:53	shibboleth	it'll always be .1 on dev foo, but i don't necessarily know what x.x.x will be
2022-02-04 21:07:16	MrElendig	sounds you should get the route trough your infrastructure then
2022-02-04 21:07:43	shibboleth	yes, i'd normally do this on the router-level, i just wanna avoid having to nat some udp multicast
2022-02-04 21:08:18	shibboleth	anyway, let's not get bogged down in an x/y circlejerk
2022-02-04 21:09:27	MrElendig	baseip = ip -j a | jq ...; ip r a ...
2022-02-04 21:10:22	alad	all the standard CLI utils have json output now :O
2022-02-04 21:10:38	shibboleth	yes
2022-02-04 21:10:49	shibboleth	let's fire up a docker container to do this
2022-02-04 21:11:07	MrElendig	a nm hook could also do it
2022-02-04 21:11:08	shibboleth	and blockchain
2022-02-04 21:11:15	alad	docker is so early 2010s man, get on with the times
2022-02-04 21:11:55	MrElendig	kube + rancher, please get with the times
2022-02-04 21:21:40	teraflops	🐮
2022-02-04 21:23:33	mefistofeles	!give teraflops moo
2022-02-04 21:23:34	phrik	teraflops: 🐮
2022-02-04 21:24:10	teraflops	what's the onomatopoeia for a goat?
2022-02-04 21:24:22	mefistofeles	djokovic
2022-02-04 21:24:24	teraflops	xD
2022-02-04 21:24:27	mefistofeles	lets get the flame war starting
2022-02-04 21:24:29	Earnestly	*ahhhh*
2022-02-04 21:24:30	mefistofeles	xD
2022-02-04 21:24:36	teraflops	lmao
2022-02-04 21:24:45	Earnestly	To degree ahhhhh... is word
2022-02-04 21:26:38	Bayes	can somebody remind me how to deal with pacman "Partition /boot too full"? note that it's the boot partition that got full, so I don't think cleaning the paccache will do it. can't find the right entry on the arch wiki
2022-02-04 21:27:04	teraflops	Bayes: you get that when installing a kernel?
2022-02-04 21:27:29	Bayes	no, sorry, when doing pacman -Syyu on an installed system
2022-02-04 21:29:04	Bayes	from fdisk -h: /dev/sda2        96M   96M  316K 100% /boot
2022-02-04 21:29:27	Bayes	I think I dealt with this before once by cleaning some space
2022-02-04 21:32:02	teraflops	making /boot larger isn't an option?
2022-02-04 21:32:37	Khorne	Looks suspiciously like Windows default EFI partition size from a while back
2022-02-04 21:33:09	teraflops	so how many kernels? also dual booting?
2022-02-04 21:33:35	Bayes	Khorne yep is a computer that started with windows a couple years ago
2022-02-04 21:33:42	Bayes	and I set up dual boot
2022-02-04 21:34:12	Bayes	teraflops pacman -Q | grep linux gives me just one linux-image package
2022-02-04 21:34:16	Bayes	so just one kernel
2022-02-04 21:34:30	Khorne	You could delete and disable the fallback initramfs image
2022-02-04 21:35:09	DeepDayze	Windows sets a default size of 100MB for EFI partition
2022-02-04 21:35:10	teraflops	yeah but I'd suggest making the thing larger
2022-02-04 21:35:42	Bayes	Khorne uhm I see it http://ix.io/3OFZ
2022-02-04 21:36:06	Khorne	DeepDayze, used to*
2022-02-04 21:36:09	Bayes	teraflops I fear I'll fuck up the boot tho
2022-02-04 21:36:15	teraflops	what's inside EFI folder?
2022-02-04 21:36:26	Bayes	gah I could swear I cleaned some space once
2022-02-04 21:36:50	teraflops	the only solution is what Khorne suggested I think
2022-02-04 21:37:36	teraflops	just make room after the ESP then resize it I guess
2022-02-04 21:37:40	Bayes	eh why on earth do I have an ubuntu folder here? xD http://ix.io/3OG0
2022-02-04 21:38:13	Bayes	Khorne if I just sudo rm the fallback, do I need to do anything extra? you mentioned "disable"
2022-02-04 21:39:04	Khorne	Bayes, edit the linux.preset in /etc/mkinitcpio.d/ to disable the generation of a new fallback image
2022-02-04 21:39:15	Bayes	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=117108
2022-02-04 21:39:15	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Disable Fallback Kernel / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-02-04 21:39:17	Bayes	awesome thanks
2022-02-04 21:39:17	Khorne	Bayes, did you install ubuntu once?
2022-02-04 21:39:24	Bayes	I don't remember doing that, no
2022-02-04 21:39:30	Bayes	I guess I can just kill that folder?
2022-02-04 21:39:36	Khorne	Yea
2022-02-04 21:39:39	teraflops	Bayes: you just need BOOT and GRUB folders inside EFI afaik
2022-02-04 21:39:40	Khorne	Probably
2022-02-04 21:40:05	DeepDayze	be careful not to delete the M$ stuff inside EFI
2022-02-04 21:40:14	DeepDayze	or Windows won't boot
2022-02-04 21:40:27	teraflops	iirc they said there is no windows there any more
2022-02-04 21:40:33	Bayes	there is
2022-02-04 21:40:37	Bayes	there is dual boot
2022-02-04 21:40:37	teraflops	oh well
2022-02-04 21:40:54	Bayes	ok I'll try the fallback
2022-02-04 21:40:55	teraflops	96MB is a joke
2022-02-04 21:40:58	DeepDayze	if you install Windows on UEFI it will place some boot files in EFI
2022-02-04 21:41:04	Bayes	wish me luck
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2022-02-04 21:44:56	Bayes	okay it worked, or at least pacman didn't complain
2022-02-04 21:45:04	Bayes	hopefully I didn't break anything for next time I reboot
2022-02-04 21:45:12	teraflops	nah it's fine
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2022-02-04 21:45:48	Bayes	and yeha I need to figure out how to make boot larger or move something to root instead
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2022-02-05 15:25:17	nobodies161	hey guys, I did a system upgrade a few days ago, ever since whenever my pc locks, the display goes blank and I have to do ctrl+alt+f1 to get the lock screen.
2022-02-05 15:25:29	nobodies161	anyone got any ideas what might be wrong?
2022-02-05 15:26:38	masoudd	nobodies161, I guess the DE and whether you're on wayland or x11 might narrow it down
2022-02-05 15:27:01	nobodies161	gnome with wayland
2022-02-05 15:28:21	nobodies161	if it helps, hibernate and sleep display the lock screen fine
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2022-02-05 15:29:55	masoudd	I don't know much about gnome on wayland and how it does its thing. But any interesting errors in journalctl?
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2022-02-05 16:55:58	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1450 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1449 normals)
2022-02-05 16:48:00	buttermelted	i would like to reinstall bluez and gnome-bluetooth overwriting the config files
2022-02-05 16:48:09	[-_-]	can I use generic commands in PKGBUILD ?
2022-02-05 16:48:17	[-_-]	generic bash commands?
2022-02-05 16:50:05	masoudd	[-_-], In the functions? yes. PKGBUILD is sourced by a bash script and the functions are called in the right order
2022-02-05 16:50:26	[-_-]	not outside of function?
2022-02-05 16:51:25	masoudd	you shouldn't...
2022-02-05 16:51:36	[-_-]	o.o
2022-02-05 16:51:51	masoudd	But why do you need to?
2022-02-05 16:53:02	[-_-]	I was trying to build a PKGBUILD for openrc
2022-02-05 16:53:11	[-_-]	I want to build openrc statically linked
2022-02-05 16:53:44	[-_-]	as I said, I am getting latest tag from github repo and then downloading a tarball of that tag
2022-02-05 16:54:05	[-_-]	but I wanted to do it dynamically so that one PKGBUILD does it all
2022-02-05 16:54:12	[-_-]	but it seems that can't be
2022-02-05 16:54:15	[-_-]	:(
2022-02-05 16:54:27	masoudd	you can
2022-02-05 16:54:38	alloy	ok, so yeah, MAKEFLAGS was commented out, so I guess that defaults to one cpu then... I'm trying to get the linux-lts510 kernel on my machine, I've read the PKGBUILD for it and it doesn't seem to override this - can someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that, and if I'm correct to set MAKEFLAGS to J4 (or J8) on my setup? Thanks!
2022-02-05 16:54:49	masoudd	that's the whole point of the $pkgver and pkgver() function
2022-02-05 16:55:12	taktaktak	first time arch install, should i be doing smth about dns security?
2022-02-05 16:55:26	taktaktak	in general recommandations it says i should use a DNSSEC enabled DNS resolver
2022-02-05 16:55:35	taktaktak	should i be doing that? or it doesn't really matter to a beginner?
2022-02-05 16:55:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-05 16:56:13	Rogach	Hi! I have troubles with starting my system in recovery mode. I've added init=/bin/bash to the startup line (via grub edit), and loaded into the shell, but keyboard doesn't work.
2022-02-05 16:56:16	grawity	risk isn't the same everywhere
2022-02-05 16:56:18	[-_-]	masoudd: but pkgver() is called before source or after() ?
2022-02-05 16:56:42	masoudd	alloy, yes. Just uncomment the line and do MAKEFLAGS="-j4" or 8 or what you want
2022-02-05 16:56:46	grawity	but with systemd-resolved, it's 1 line to enable DNSSEC, assuming they fixed the worst bugs already
2022-02-05 16:56:54	[-_-]	ah...
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2022-02-05 16:57:00	[-_-]	before
2022-02-05 16:57:11	alloy	masoudd oh YEAH :D
2022-02-05 16:57:12	taktaktak	grawity: how do i do it with systemd-resolved?
2022-02-05 16:57:12	Rogach	Same for /bin/sh (checked in case my bashrc broke something)
2022-02-05 16:57:19	Rogach	Any tips?
2022-02-05 16:57:28	alloy	htop has lit up like a Christmas Tree :D  :D    MUCH BETTER lol
2022-02-05 16:57:32	grawity	Rogach: actual recovery mode is the 'rescue' option
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2022-02-05 16:57:54	taktaktak	grawity: just enabling the service?
2022-02-05 16:58:13	alloy	ahahahaa that's AWESOME :D
2022-02-05 16:58:15	grawity	Rogach: if your keyboard needs some modules loaded, then you'll want udev running to handle that
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2022-02-05 16:58:39	grawity	Rogach: (though, in that case you'd also want to have the initramfs pre-load the modules imo)
2022-02-05 16:58:48	◣	dme86 (~dan@user/dan86) ha salido (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2022-02-05 16:58:49	Rogach	grawity: Awesome, that worked, thank you!
2022-02-05 16:59:00	masoudd	[-_-], search for pkgver in man 5 PKGBUILD: The pkgver variable can be automatically updated by providing a pkgver() function in the PKGBUILD that outputs the new package version. This is run after downloading and extracting the sources and running the prepare() function (if present), so it can use those files in determining the new pkgver. This is most useful when used with sources from version
2022-02-05 16:59:00	masoudd	control systems (see below).
2022-02-05 16:59:22	Rogach	grawity: So the init=/bin/sh was loading without udev being started?
2022-02-05 16:59:37	grawity	Rogach: that's kinda what init= does yeah
2022-02-05 16:59:40	[-_-]	:(
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2022-02-05 16:59:44	masoudd	[-_-], oh sorry I misunderstood you.
2022-02-05 16:59:47	grawity	it replaces the whole init system
2022-02-05 16:59:51	Niphoet	Is there anybody who could possibly help me with some issues I have with mount points changing on drives?
2022-02-05 16:59:51	Rogach	And so keyboard module was not loaded, got it.
2022-02-05 17:00:24	taktaktak	can someone please tell me how i should be configuring DNSSEC with systemd-resolved? what i should be doing?
2022-02-05 17:00:59	grawity	Rogach: 'systemd.debug-shell' starts the whole OS *plus* a rescue shell; 'rescue' is the traditional single user mode that starts init with minimum services (udev primarily); 'emergency' still starts init but no services at all (though still have the option of starting them manually); and 'init=' replaces the init system outright with just the shell
2022-02-05 17:01:00	Warepire	taktaktak: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-resolved
2022-02-05 17:01:01	phrik	Title: systemd-resolved - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-05 17:01:45	grawity	though all of those still go through the initramfs first, so it still has the chance to load modules that were *in* the initramfs (like those for your disks)
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2022-02-05 17:05:52	alloy	masoudd thanks for the quick answer, have a good one!
2022-02-05 17:10:06	masoudd	[-_-], There is a way to link to latest release of a project on github. But openrc doesn't do any releases there. They just tag things :(  https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/releases
2022-02-05 17:10:26	[-_-]	yeah
2022-02-05 17:10:38	[-_-]	that is the problem
2022-02-05 17:13:33	seventyfour	I think i'm having interrupt issues
2022-02-05 17:14:25	seventyfour	cat /proc/interrupts: https://bpa.st/KNNQ
2022-02-05 17:14:26	phrik	Title: View paste KNNQ (at bpa.st)
2022-02-05 17:15:15	[-_-]	masoudd: okay, I will use manual system instead
2022-02-05 17:15:15	seventyfour	causing my CPU2 core to sit at ~90%
2022-02-05 17:15:27	[-_-]	masoudd: thanks
2022-02-05 17:15:37	seventyfour	has anyone seen anything like this before?
2022-02-05 17:16:42	masoudd	[-_-], Yeah apart from doing pkgver=$(some commands) and then using $pkgver in the source url, I don't know how to do that. But that seems... not right IDK
2022-02-05 17:17:17	[-_-]	o.o
2022-02-05 17:17:31	[-_-]	I have a feeling you just solved it
2022-02-05 17:17:45	masoudd	I did? lol
2022-02-05 17:17:48	seventyfour	might be this bug https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215533
2022-02-05 17:18:11	Rogach	grawity: I successfully fixed my problem using "rescue". Other options you've outlined are also helpful, I'll print them out and hang on the wall, just in case :)
2022-02-05 17:18:12	rawktucc	i am ignoring the backlog only to ask: have you looked at make flags
2022-02-05 17:18:24	rawktucc	MAKEFLAGS=-j$CPUCORES
2022-02-05 17:18:30	Rogach	grawity: Any idea which modules I need to add to initramfs to make usb keyboard work immediately?
2022-02-05 17:18:30	rawktucc	or logical processors I think
2022-02-05 17:18:55	[-_-]	here: http://0x0.st/oXoS.txt
2022-02-05 17:19:12	[-_-]	but here the same variable has been changed several times
2022-02-05 17:20:23	Warepire	seventyfour: Does the smbus IRQ increase rapidly on the CPU2 core? (the one with 0s on all the other cores)
2022-02-05 17:22:59	masoudd	[-_-], pkgver="$(curl https://api.github.com/repos/OpenRC/openrc/git/refs/tags | jq '.[-1].ref' | cut -d / -f 3 | tr -d \")"
2022-02-05 17:23:48	Rogach	grawity: "usbhid" module did the trick
2022-02-05 17:23:51	masoudd	[-_-], But then you need to put jq in your makedepends
2022-02-05 17:24:08	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-05 17:24:12	[-_-]	o.o
2022-02-05 17:24:39	seventyfour	Warepire: can you suggest a command I can run to answer your question?
2022-02-05 17:24:55	Warepire	seventyfour: watch cat /proc/interrupts
2022-02-05 17:25:53	Warepire	See if any interrupt number (probably on the CPU2 core - hence why I suggested that smbus IRQ) is increasing very rapidly
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2022-02-05 17:25:59	seventyfour	Warepire: yep, that number is going up fast
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2022-02-05 17:26:25	Warepire	That's probably the cause of your high load then
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2022-02-05 17:27:19	seventyfour	yeah, i think it's matching well with kernel bug 215533 linked above
2022-02-05 17:28:35	Warepire	Let's see if I remember enough about smbus (i2c) to figure out how to check which devices are attached to that bus
2022-02-05 17:28:50	Warepire	Normally it's touchpads and stuff (on laptops)
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2022-02-05 17:31:27	seventyfour	that would be cool
2022-02-05 17:31:32	masoudd	https://kernel.org/doc/html/latest/i2c/index.html
2022-02-05 17:31:33	phrik	Title: I2C/SMBus Subsystem — The Linux Kernel documentation (at kernel.org)
2022-02-05 17:31:44	seventyfour	Warepire: I wonder if it's my touchpad
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2022-02-05 17:32:24	Warepire	Other stuff can be attached on i2c too, so we still have some work to do to figure it out (at work we often put RTCs on i2c bus:es)
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2022-02-05 17:33:52	Warepire	seventyfour: what does /sys/bus/i2c contain?
2022-02-05 17:34:11	Warepire	sorry, /sys/bus/i2c/devices
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2022-02-05 17:35:40	seventyfour	Warepire: https://bpa.st/raw/IYHA
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2022-02-05 17:38:11	Warepire	seventyfour: So we have 3 devices, could you list the name property of them? (devices starting with 0-)
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2022-02-05 17:39:19	Warepire	Better probably "tree 0-*"
2022-02-05 17:40:02	rawktucc	Does anyone have a handy command to install packages from a list?
2022-02-05 17:41:22	rawktucc	nevermind, I read the wiki :)
2022-02-05 17:43:30	seventyfour	Warepire: like that? https://bpa.st/raw/FZEA
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2022-02-05 17:45:04	seventyfour	Warepire: names: https://bpa.st/raw/VF5A
2022-02-05 17:45:47	Warepire	Thanks. I expected to see something besides an eeprom...
2022-02-05 17:46:23	Warepire	lsmod | grep i2c ?
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2022-02-05 17:47:21	seventyfour	https://bpa.st/raw/UBAQ
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2022-02-05 17:51:39	Warepire	Thanks, trying to think a bit
2022-02-05 17:55:18	Warepire	seventyfour: I found this old bug report with no clear resolution: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207189
2022-02-05 17:55:32	Warepire	i2c_designware and smbus high irq load.
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2022-02-05 17:56:34	seventyfour	thanks. looking through that now
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2022-02-05 17:56:59	Warepire	echo "file drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-designware-master.c +p" | sudo tee /sys/kernel/debug/dynamic_debug/control to turn on the debug prints they are discussing
2022-02-05 17:57:15	Warepire	If you have the same problem, you should see something in dmesg after
2022-02-05 17:57:54	Warepire	(the same echo, but -p will turn it off later so it doesn't spam unnecessarily once you're done)
2022-02-05 17:58:39	seventyfour	Warepire: lots of output there
2022-02-05 17:59:02	seventyfour	spam of "i2c_designware i2c_designware.0: enabled=0xffffffff stat=0xffffffff"
2022-02-05 17:59:42	seventyfour	at a very high rate
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2022-02-05 18:00:44	seventyfour	so that's my touchpad, eh?
2022-02-05 18:01:30	Warepire	Could be.
2022-02-05 18:01:50	seventyfour	I thought only an eeprom was on this bus though
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2022-02-05 18:02:47	Warepire	Right. I didn't see any i2c touchpad drivers loaded.
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2022-02-05 18:03:06	Warepire	Did this start happening after an update or is it a first time install?
2022-02-05 18:03:16	Warepire	(for the laptop)
2022-02-05 18:03:38	seventyfour	it's recent. I've been running this install since ~2016
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2022-02-05 18:05:08	Warepire	Hm. If you want to pursue a fix, you might need to start e-mailing linux-i2c (who will get other lists involved if needed). In the meantime, I'd suggest a downgrade of the kernel unless the high CPU load doesn't bother you.
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2022-02-05 18:05:50	Warepire	They will ask you to try a lot of stuff, do provide a link to the bugzilla I found if you contact them.
2022-02-05 18:08:44	Warepire	seventyfour: Their mailing list is linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org if you choose to try that route.
2022-02-05 18:09:05	seventyfour	ok. thanks very much!
2022-02-05 18:09:30	seventyfour	Warepire: do you think there's a module I might try disabling?
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2022-02-05 18:10:17	Warepire	I didn't see the designware i2c as a module in your lsmod, so it might be hard to rmmod it to see if the problem goes away
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2022-02-05 18:10:35	Warepire	*it will be hard
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2022-02-05 18:10:59	seventyfour	so maybe then I could rebuild the kernel without that?
2022-02-05 18:11:18	Warepire	Might be worth a shot.
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2022-02-05 18:12:35	seventyfour	I'd rather have to use an external mouse than have a pegged core
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2022-02-05 18:13:20	seventyfour	but also I don't fancy always having to rebuild my kernel...
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2022-02-05 18:13:56	masoudd	Look at these kernel configs if you go that route: zgrep -i designware /proc/config.gz
2022-02-05 18:14:22	Warepire	You could also try a git bisect of the kernel to see if you can somewhat pinpoint when the problem started happening.
2022-02-05 18:14:33	Warepire	(it will take a lot of compiling though)
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2022-02-05 18:15:35	seventyfour	all CONFIG_I2C_DESIGNWARE* options are y
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2022-02-05 18:25:40	rawktucc	well, my server is back
2022-02-05 18:25:43	rawktucc	had to fully rebuild
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2022-02-05 18:26:03	seventyfour	Warepire: can you think of a way to learn exactly what the ee1004 eeprom stores?
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2022-02-05 18:26:56	Warepire	seventyfour: Usually it's device specific whats in them
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2022-02-05 18:28:26	seventyfour	If that one is actually misbehaving, I wonder what I should look out for
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2022-02-05 18:31:16	seventyfour	ee1004 is somehow related to my ram?
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2022-02-05 18:31:37	seventyfour	https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/misc/eeprom/ee1004.c#L3
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2022-02-05 18:33:43	espresso	rawtucc: enjoy that new os smell :)
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2022-02-05 18:40:41	Warepire	seventyfour: Looks like it. Might be a bad idea trying to remove the i2c driver, incase it's needed for DDR4 to stay stable.
2022-02-05 18:41:02	⚡ 	SysGhost takes a whiff. Burnt plastic.
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2022-02-05 18:50:05	seventyfour	I'm rebuilding the kernel now without any of the CONFIG_I2C_DESIGNWARE_* options. Will see how that goes
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2022-02-05 19:08:52	seventyfour	Warepire: wait a sec. I think I can disable with initcall_blacklist=dw_i2c_init_driver in the kernel cmd line
2022-02-05 19:10:14	Warepire	seventyfour: Neat, yeah, sounds like it. Never knew of this feature.
2022-02-05 19:10:19	⚡ 	Warepire just looked it up
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2022-02-05 19:19:46	seventyfour	Warepire: so, interesting. the designware i2c driver is gone. my touchpad still works, the designware debug prints have stopped spamming my dmesg
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2022-02-05 19:20:44	seventyfour	and my CPU usage on CPU2 has changed from fixed at ~90% to fixed at 75%
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2022-02-05 19:22:52	seventyfour	IRQ16 counts for CPU2 are still climbing like crazy
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2022-02-05 19:25:22	seventyfour	and cat /proc/interrupts is now like this: https://bpa.st/raw/WMBA
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2022-02-05 19:32:14	deuxexmachina	anything special to consider for setting up encrypted swap that uses suspend to ram rather than suspend to disk (hibernation)?
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2022-02-05 19:32:36	deuxexmachina	I'm reading https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Swap_encryption now
2022-02-05 19:32:37	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Swap encryption - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-02-05 19:40:44	Warepire	seventyfour: (sorry, was in the kitchen for a bit) Try unloading this module: i801_smbus
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2022-02-05 19:41:59	Warepire	(I suspect it's a shared interrupt line, and whatever is meant to service the interrupt isn't, maybe a missing driver, maybe a buggy driver, maybe a buggy hw design that got exposed by a driver update)
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2022-02-06 15:42:24	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1461 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1460 normals)
2022-02-06 15:39:16	zer0zerozer04206	How y'all doing
2022-02-06 15:41:14	thrice	fine
2022-02-06 15:42:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-06 16:12:29	parakovsky	bought cheap usb dongle bluetooth 4 does it possible it doesn't support any hi res audio transmission like aptx or whatever?
2022-02-06 16:12:34	parakovsky	can't figure out how to check
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2022-02-06 16:15:20	thrice	cheap and bluetooth usually don't go well together :>
2022-02-06 16:16:19	BrainDamage	s/cheap and// s/together//
2022-02-06 16:16:28	parakovsky	that's a nice poetry guys
2022-02-06 16:16:45	masoudd	bluetooth is more hassle than it's worth imo
2022-02-06 16:16:52	parakovsky	ok /s cheap luxury still i am interesting to use so called scientifig method to investigate the matters
2022-02-06 16:17:08	BrainDamage	you can see which profiles it exports in bluetoothctl
2022-02-06 16:17:40	BrainDamage	connect to it and browse the gatt menu
2022-02-06 16:17:43	parakovsky	i have fiio m5 thing that can transmit hi quality sound by bluetooth i want hook up my laptop on one end and this thing on the other, default bluetooth is pretty wack only suppor sbc 
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2022-02-06 16:18:12	teraflops	parakovsky: absolutely
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2022-02-06 16:18:14	parakovsky	bought this bluetooth version four dongle some of my phones have bluetooth four and they have aptx
2022-02-06 16:18:21	Earnestly	BrainDamage: Making this known to you, if you haven't seen to already: https://github.com/CadQuery/cadquery
2022-02-06 16:18:31	teraflops	I do ldac with a cheap one
2022-02-06 16:18:40	parakovsky	yeah ldac would be awesome
2022-02-06 16:18:59	parakovsky	ok profiles thing, got it will do after i finish this heineken
2022-02-06 16:19:02	BrainDamage	Earnestly: heard the name, didn't check it out yet, thanks
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2022-02-06 16:19:22	Earnestly	BrainDamage: They have Qt GUI as well
2022-02-06 16:19:34	Earnestly	BrainDamage: Think openscad but using open cascade
2022-02-06 16:19:37	Earnestly	(and python)
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2022-02-06 16:23:34	DigitalKiwi	https://github.com/Haskell-Things/ImplicitCAD
2022-02-06 16:26:15	thrice	wait, you can't run bluetoothctl while drinking heineken?
2022-02-06 16:27:43	DigitalKiwi	don't drink and driver
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2022-02-06 16:28:04	thrice	:D
2022-02-06 16:28:17	Earnestly	DigitalKiwi: cascade is important feature because use of brep instead of csg
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2022-02-06 16:28:55	DigitalKiwi	what's brep and csg?
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2022-02-06 16:29:28	Earnestly	boundry representation, implicitcad mentions csg in readme (constructive solid geometry)
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2022-02-06 16:29:37	DigitalKiwi	i'm googling it too i just was making conversation lol
2022-02-06 16:29:54	Earnestly	This is why solvespace is limited
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2022-02-06 16:31:22	ℹ 	cdown_ es conocido ahora como cdown
2022-02-06 16:31:36	DigitalKiwi	which one does solvespace use
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2022-02-06 16:32:18	DigitalKiwi	i haven't used solvespace for anything i think i've opened it a few times
2022-02-06 16:32:40	Earnestly	custom
2022-02-06 16:32:58	Earnestly	Oh you mean
2022-02-06 16:33:11	thrice	just use blender
2022-02-06 16:33:12	⚡ 	thrice hides
2022-02-06 16:33:13	Earnestly	csg
2022-02-06 16:33:33	Earnestly	thrice: imagine watching tool path follow circle made of many straight edges
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2022-02-06 16:34:06	DigitalKiwi	https://opensea.io/assets/matic/0x2953399124f0cbb46d2cbacd8a89cf0599974963/532587089991957304137178158295059401262599406261656815189702138921714974721 lol
2022-02-06 16:34:33	Earnestly	website mostly doesn't load with js
2022-02-06 16:34:51	S9	Quick question, what creates and manages /home/$user.home?
2022-02-06 16:35:12	grawity	loop image? sounds like systemd-homed
2022-02-06 16:35:22	thrice	Earnestly: I design 99% plastic parts, so what is "tool path?" :-)
2022-02-06 16:35:26	DigitalKiwi	https://www.patreon.com/posts/nixos-wall-piece-59593575 i made this in openscad
2022-02-06 16:35:36	Earnestly	thrice: Have to make mold at least
2022-02-06 16:35:46	Earnestly	Looks like solvespace uses NURBS
2022-02-06 16:36:17	thrice	yeah, but with draft requirements, every layer is basically different
2022-02-06 16:36:23	thrice	when 2D -> 3D
2022-02-06 16:36:25	Earnestly	Will have infinite problems with fillet/chamfer/etc
2022-02-06 16:36:45	S9	@Earnestly Yes, that's the one. Thank you very much. Don't delete that one lads
2022-02-06 16:37:05	Earnestly	grawity: ^
2022-02-06 16:37:17	DigitalKiwi	Earnestly: https://mostlyabsurd.com/files/unnamed.png
2022-02-06 16:37:20	grawity	it's DBLSPACE.BIN all over again
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2022-02-06 16:38:54	DigitalKiwi	https://hledger.org/images/coins2-248.png
2022-02-06 16:39:55	grawity	Earnestly: unrelated https://twitter.com/sheevink/status/1489286516564271105 
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2022-02-06 16:40:58	DigitalKiwi	didn't whitequark make solvespace
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2022-02-06 16:41:37	Earnestly	yeah
2022-02-06 16:41:47	Earnestly	grawity: I don't know what to say, I'll just let it wash over me
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2022-02-06 16:46:51	libc	hi.
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2022-02-06 16:47:02	thrice	hi
2022-02-06 16:47:12	libc	why the command pacman -Qs '.*zathura.*' didn't found 
2022-02-06 16:47:16	libc	zathura-djvu ?
2022-02-06 16:47:37	Earnestly	Because there is nothing before zathura for . to match
2022-02-06 16:47:56	BrainDamage	* includes 0 repetitions
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2022-02-06 16:48:17	Earnestly	(Shh)
2022-02-06 16:48:55	libc	it finds 'local/zathura'
2022-02-06 16:49:00	libc	and local/zathura-pdf-poppler
2022-02-06 16:49:05	libc	both i have installed
2022-02-06 16:49:20	libc	but didn't zathura-djvu which i don't have installeed
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2022-02-06 16:49:44	thrice	-s, --search <regex> search locally-installed packages for matching strings
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2022-02-06 16:50:20	libc	right i suspected such
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2022-02-06 16:50:25	libc	so how do i do the same globally ?
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2022-02-06 16:50:50	thrice	pacman -Sh
2022-02-06 16:51:23	libc	right -Ss 
2022-02-06 16:51:45	libc	for some reason i forgot this
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2022-02-06 16:52:04	libc	thanks
2022-02-06 16:52:07	thrice	np
2022-02-06 16:52:20	thrice	 !aw pacman rosetta
2022-02-06 16:52:24	thrice	!aw pacman rosetta
2022-02-06 16:52:25	phrik	thrice: Pacman rosetta - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman_rosetta
2022-02-06 16:52:41	thrice	that page can be helpful
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2022-02-06 16:53:12	Earnestly	It's amazing page
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2022-02-06 17:08:06	MattMadness	hey I don't know if anyone noticed here but the arch linux matrix chat is being spammed right now
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2022-02-06 17:22:55	b100100	MattMadness: It does not look good. Isn't it moderated?
2022-02-06 17:23:22	MattMadness	I thought so.
2022-02-06 17:25:32	b100100	I am trying to make use of the report button. Don't know if it helps.
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2022-02-06 17:57:10	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-06 18:01:31	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-06 18:02:05	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-06 18:04:15	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-06 18:05:44	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-06 18:12:50	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-06 18:10:58	venam	telegram desktop update seems to default to jack devices while the one from upstream (desktop.telegram.org) is still on pulse and shows all devices properly
2022-02-06 18:12:50	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-06 18:14:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-06 18:14:01	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-06 18:15:14	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-06 18:15:40	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-06 18:15:38	masoudd	Ballerburg9005, What is the version of your archlinux-keyring package?
2022-02-06 18:15:41	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-06 18:15:55	Ballerburg9005	masoudd: whatever is the newest now
2022-02-06 18:16:02	Ballerburg9005	20220125-1
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2022-02-06 18:17:21	MrElendig	!newest
2022-02-06 18:17:22	phrik	usually 5 versions out of date (Hint: Don't say newest , give us the exact package version)
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2022-02-06 18:20:47	masoudd	Ballerburg9005, out of: grep GPG /etc/pacman.conf
2022-02-06 18:20:55	masoudd	output of*
2022-02-06 18:21:07	Ballerburg9005	it works now!
2022-02-06 18:21:21	masoudd	what did you change?
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2022-02-06 18:38:23	ℹ 	Junx_ es conocido ahora como Junx
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2022-02-06 18:55:59	ℹ 	tangent es conocido ahora como Tangent-Man
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2022-02-06 19:04:21	deschain	Hi! I've been having some trouble with my wireless scanner, was hoping someone could help. It's an HP MFP printer - printing works just fine, scanning unfortunately does not. I have sane-airscan installed, and when I run `scanimage -L`, multiple backends are listed. However, when I try to specify a backend, I get `Error during device I/O`. Also no dice with `hp-scan`.
2022-02-06 19:05:14	deschain	`hp-scan` tells me "error: SANE: Invalid argument (code=4)"
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2022-02-06 19:11:15	wscheveider	!paste
2022-02-06 19:11:16	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-02-06 19:38:55	Ballerburg9005	masoudd: I deleted the folder /etc/pacman.d/gnupg again and re-ran all the steps, and also I wrote pacman-key --populate archlinux, with the archlinux, and it was not giving me a warning about the root key then
2022-02-06 19:39:38	Ballerburg9005	when trying this week, I did not fully delete the folder 
2022-02-06 19:40:19	masoudd	Do you delete /etc/pacman.d/gnupg everytime you Syu?
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2022-02-06 19:40:31	Ballerburg9005	no just because it was broken
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2022-02-06 19:41:08	masoudd	Well it works now. great!
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2022-02-06 19:41:52	Ballerburg9005	\o/
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2022-02-06 19:59:14	colo	today's fontconfig upgrade did noticeably change something for me in firefox, but I can't quite put my finger on what specifically... :)
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2022-02-06 20:12:21	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org |  Firefox issues? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908 | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-06 20:12:56	BrainDamage	here it picks an entire different font for cursive text
2022-02-06 20:13:13	BrainDamage	err, I mean italics
2022-02-06 20:13:30	BrainDamage	the font it picks, is a cursive one, so looks super weird
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2022-02-07 13:28:38	MrElendig	Zetta1Reid0: how about telling us your problem instead?
2022-02-07 13:30:50	Zetta1Reid0	I want to enable the startup and shutdown/reboot sounds via libcanberra.But althought the system-bootup.oga and system-shutdown.oga files exist. canberra-boot exists with : Failed to play event sound: Not available
2022-02-07 13:31:50	MrElendig	config telling it the file is somewhere else?
2022-02-07 13:35:37	Zetta1Reid0	No. There is no config for canberra as I am aware of.
2022-02-07 13:43:06	Earnestly	No but xfce should have settings to turn off login/logout sounds
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2022-02-07 13:45:08	quequotion	Long time no see, Archlinux IRC
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2022-02-07 13:46:16	Zetta1Reid0	Mmm no it doesn't, You can add login/logout sounds via xfce4-session but I want sounds when i shutdown and boot my pc.
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2022-02-08 16:02:01	CarloWood	After an upgrade the font in xterm looks f-ed up. https://gyazo.com/dd548ef6a002a149f11b516c1eeb8401
2022-02-08 16:02:03	@phrik	Title: Screenshot - dd548ef6a002a149f11b516c1eeb8401 - Gyazo (at gyazo.com)
2022-02-08 16:02:14	CarloWood	What could that be?  :/
2022-02-08 16:03:49	theh	CarloWood: Is your font from a package, or manually installed?
2022-02-08 16:04:26	theh	And is it the right font, just wrong spacing or different looking font?
2022-02-08 16:04:33	CarloWood	From a package I imagine, I never installed anything like fonts manually. 
2022-02-08 16:05:12	CarloWood	The font might be correct - the spacing definitely isn't. I saw this before (a decade ago?) but have no idea what was the reason then :(
2022-02-08 16:05:42	CarloWood	I remember that I have some XTerm file somewhere that configures xterm though - it should be in my home directory no?
2022-02-08 16:06:15	theh	Yeah, I would look for that xterm file. I don't use xterm so I cannot speak from memory.
2022-02-08 16:06:17	CarloWood	I don't see that file anymore.
2022-02-08 16:07:28	theh	Usually when fonts go wrong for me it's because the terminal cannot find the usual font and falls back on one that isn't suited for the use case.
2022-02-08 16:07:44	theh	s/usual/common/
2022-02-08 16:08:05	CarloWood	Yes. There is nothing from `find . -type f -print | grep -i xterm` in my home directory *confused*
2022-02-08 16:08:08	theh	And that then looks a lot like your screenshot, with messed up spacing.
2022-02-08 16:09:09	theh	Does `.Xresources` exist?
2022-02-08 16:09:46	CarloWood	yes, with
2022-02-08 16:09:48	CarloWood	xterm*faceName: Ubuntu Mono
2022-02-08 16:09:48	CarloWood	xterm*faceSize: 12
2022-02-08 16:09:48	CarloWood	xterm*renderFont: true
2022-02-08 16:10:27	CarloWood	That might be a very old file - I don't think it is the correct one. I should have an XTerm file too.
2022-02-08 16:12:04	theh	You could simply try replacing the first line with `xterm*faceName: Monospace` and see if it picks something suitable.
2022-02-08 16:12:13	CarloWood	Does anyone know how borg works? :/ I use that as backup system, but I don't know I could use it to look if there was an XTerm file in my home directory before that is now deleted.
2022-02-08 16:12:28	MacGyver	You can.
2022-02-08 16:12:36	MacGyver	But I'd have to look up the syntax myself.
2022-02-08 16:13:24	MacGyver	You can do something like sudo borg list /mnt/borg/backupstore::backup-2020-02-24T15:02:29
2022-02-08 16:13:30	MacGyver	And then grep for the file.
2022-02-08 16:13:53	MacGyver	If you know where the file is supposed to be you might be able to ask for it directly.
2022-02-08 16:14:48	MacGyver	(man borg-list for details)
2022-02-08 16:15:41	MacGyver	And to extract that single file you can pass it as a path to borg-extract.
2022-02-08 16:16:38	simatis	how can i find the frequency my ram operates at?
2022-02-08 16:16:47	CarloWood	borg crashes!
2022-02-08 16:16:53	CarloWood	wtf
2022-02-08 16:17:26	CarloWood	https://gyazo.com/9c61ad50bc753c6ea59cf59b5884c3b0
2022-02-08 16:17:27	@phrik	Title: Screenshot - 9c61ad50bc753c6ea59cf59b5884c3b0 - Gyazo (at gyazo.com)
2022-02-08 16:18:11	MacGyver	CarloWood: Running borg from the aur and forgot to rebuild after upgrading python?
2022-02-08 16:18:28	MacGyver	CarloWood: but more likely it just doesn't like your pattern.
2022-02-08 16:18:43	MacGyver	Normally it would suppress the traceback for such an error though.
2022-02-08 16:19:07	CarloWood	I tried it first with an existing pattern, and that gives the same traceback
2022-02-08 16:19:33	CarloWood	Lemme try updating borg... I hope that won't disable my backups :P
2022-02-08 16:19:39	MacGyver	man borg-patterns
2022-02-08 16:21:32	theh	If you're just looking for that xterm file save yourself the effort. Chances are, not much effort was put into it if it was forgotten about. Or is that somebody else's system you're trying to reinstate?
2022-02-08 16:24:06	CarloWood	Apparently --pattern needs something that start with a '+'.  But when I do: borg list /opt/verylarge/backup/borg::daniel-home-carlo-20220208-040010 --pattern "+XTerm"   it just dumps ALL files :/
2022-02-08 16:24:15	CarloWood	What am I doing wrong then? *confused*
2022-02-08 16:27:52	MacGyver	CarloWood: man borg-patterns
2022-02-08 16:27:54	CarloWood	Strange.. why would the oldest backup be from 20200623 ... which also doesn't have an XTerm file :-(
2022-02-08 16:27:57	CarloWood	I read that :/
2022-02-08 16:28:10	MacGyver	CarloWood: Wouldn't you want pf:?
2022-02-08 16:28:46	CarloWood	Isn't that the full path? like /home/carlo/XTerm ? That's what I understood.
2022-02-08 16:29:24	CarloWood	--pattern='+pf:XTerm' also dumps all files
2022-02-08 16:29:37	MacGyver	Afraid I'm at a loss then.
2022-02-08 16:29:41	MacGyver	Just grep for the file.
2022-02-08 16:29:42	CarloWood	--pattern='pf:XTerm' crashes again
2022-02-08 16:29:47	CarloWood	I did - it's not there :/
2022-02-08 16:29:56	MacGyver	Take an earlier backup?
2022-02-08 16:30:00	MacGyver	Or a later one.
2022-02-08 16:30:22	CarloWood	I don't have one that is earlier than 20200623 which is alarming by itself :/
2022-02-08 16:30:35	MacGyver	Well then...
2022-02-08 16:30:58	MacGyver	Nothing I can do to help absence in the backups.
2022-02-08 16:38:04	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-08 16:42:05	CarloWood	Why is everything so unclear and vague :(.  I used 'fc-list' to list all installed fonts (as per https://ostechnix.com/find-installed-fonts-commandline-linux/), and it lists:
2022-02-08 16:42:14	CarloWood	/usr/share/fonts/TTF/DejaVuSansMono-BoldOblique.ttf: DejaVu Sans Mono:style=Bold Oblique
2022-02-08 16:42:25	MacGyver	Because nobody cares about fonts until they break.
2022-02-08 16:42:28	CarloWood	Then I gamble and change my .Xresources file to:
2022-02-08 16:42:39	CarloWood	xterm*faceName: DejaVu Sans Mono
2022-02-08 16:42:43	CarloWood	no effect
2022-02-08 16:42:45	MacGyver	And the people for whom it breaks aren't invested enough to make the ecosystem user-friendly.
2022-02-08 16:42:45	CarloWood	no error
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2022-02-08 16:43:59	CarloWood	Still - at this point I don't even know if it READS .Xresources
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2022-02-08 16:44:49	CarloWood	I don't know if `xterm*faceName:` is meaningful or does anything - and I don't know if what comes after that has to be the full name or a pattern, nor what the full name of that "listed" font is - which is actually just a file name
2022-02-08 16:45:17	Khorne	It doesn't read Xresources until you tell it to load or merge them
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2022-02-08 16:45:48	CarloWood	oh
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2022-02-08 16:46:16	CarloWood	awesome, thanks :)
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2022-02-08 16:46:30	Khorne	They are only read once on X launch
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2022-02-08 16:47:15	CarloWood	https://gyazo.com/fc75634ede4c272a36e2fc1c440cb471
2022-02-08 16:47:16	@phrik	Title: Screenshot - fc75634ede4c272a36e2fc1c440cb471 - Gyazo (at gyazo.com)
2022-02-08 16:47:57	setpill	MacGyver: welp, uefi upgrade successful, but hibernate still going wrong the same way
2022-02-08 16:48:01	MacGyver	CarloWood: xrdb -query -all
2022-02-08 16:48:25	MacGyver	CarloWood: Should show you all variables as defined.
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2022-02-08 16:48:37	Khorne	Looks like it loaded the desired fonts
2022-02-08 16:48:40	CarloWood	thx
2022-02-08 16:48:44	MacGyver	setpill: Afraid I won't be much more help here.
2022-02-08 16:48:46	CarloWood	yes it did
2022-02-08 16:48:55	MacGyver	setpill: Your issue is too low-level for my experience.
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2022-02-08 16:49:10	MacGyver	setpill: You could try searching the r/thinkpad subreddit for similar issues.
2022-02-08 16:49:12	CarloWood	This font is good enough.. it would be nice if you could just rotate through all installed fonts to pick one, but ok.
2022-02-08 16:49:16	setpill	Ah, well, thanks for the limited help anyway :)
2022-02-08 16:49:32	MacGyver	setpill: It's how I found out it was a device issue, not my own fault, with the lid close.
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2022-02-08 17:03:28	Zenithium	Hi, hope I'm not interrupting. I'm trying to run X on Arch for 32 bit (hopefully this channel includes it), but it terminates every time due to `xf86EnableIO: failed to enable I/O ports 0000-03ff (Operation not permitted)`. I've looked online, but no solution is applicable to my situation (different GPU, updating fixes the problem, etc). Full log: http://termbin.com/ed3t GPU: AMD ATI Radeon 9200
2022-02-08 17:03:28	Zenithium	Pro 
2022-02-08 17:03:34	Zenithium	(it's an AGP card)
2022-02-08 17:04:15	NetSysFire	no, we do not support arch for 32 bit here
2022-02-08 17:04:18	NetSysFire	!arch32
2022-02-08 17:04:18	@phrik	https://archlinux32.org
2022-02-08 17:04:47	Zenithium	Ah, sorry. I'll go ask in their channel.
2022-02-08 17:04:54	NetSysFire	yeah i used the wrong factoid
2022-02-08 17:04:57	NetSysFire	!archlinux32
2022-02-08 17:04:58	@phrik	https://www.archlinux.org/news/phasing-out-i686-support/ see also https://archlinux32.org and #archlinux32
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2022-02-08 17:06:31	setpill	MacGyver: Actually, I fixed it :) In the BIOS onder Config -> Power, there's a "sleep state" option that you can switch from Windows to Linux. Then it Just Worked (tm)
2022-02-08 17:06:50	setpill	Maybe worth looking into for you as well, just in case you hadn't stumbled across it yet.
2022-02-08 17:07:37	CarloWood	Using this tool (that I get by clicking the window icon on the left in the title bar --> More settings ... --> Configure special window settings... https://gyazo.com/0cb13aac8439148cc2f4414a8665bfa9
2022-02-08 17:07:39	@phrik	Title: Screenshot - 0cb13aac8439148cc2f4414a8665bfa9 - Gyazo (at gyazo.com)
2022-02-08 17:08:06	CarloWood	Is it possible to remove that application / window class from the normal session restore (using plasma)?
2022-02-08 17:08:35	CarloWood	That is - normally when I reboot, open terminals are placed back where there were. But I don't want that for this window class.
2022-02-08 17:08:36	MacGyver	setpill: That's interesting, because that's precisely the thing Linux is able to pick up and should tell you about.
2022-02-08 17:08:44	MacGyver	setpill: I've got that set to linux since day 1.
2022-02-08 17:08:49	CarloWood	where they* were
2022-02-08 17:09:01	setpill	I'm not sure where Linux would tell me about such a thing, maybe I've just not been listening.
2022-02-08 17:09:54	MacGyver	setpill: It's the difference between the *suspend* modes "s2idle" and "deep" for /sys/class/power/mem_sleep.
2022-02-08 17:10:02	MacGyver	setpill: Wasn't aware it influenced hibernation this way.
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2022-02-08 17:10:16	setpill	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-02-08 17:10:22	MacGyver	setpill: If the UEFI isn't set to "linux", mem_sleep will only give you s2idle as an option.
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2022-02-08 17:11:19	setpill	I have no idea what any of that means. I just made sure to configure the `resume` option.
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2022-02-08 17:13:13	Mete-	is it possible to use systemd-spawn as a vm? Installing windows on it for example?
2022-02-08 17:13:23	xecuter	hiho, what "netflix" app is recommend? or all broken. and yes i see: all available versions are AUR ;( (why?)
2022-02-08 17:13:57	Zetta1Reid0	Are the kernel packages from repos compiled with the sysrq combinations enabled ?
2022-02-08 17:14:36	Namarrgon	yes but only 'sync' is allowed by default
2022-02-08 17:15:16	Namarrgon	xecuter: works best in a browser since you need DRM
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2022-02-08 17:15:51	Namarrgon	Mete-: no, nspawn is more or less a chroot, not a vm
2022-02-08 17:15:51	Zetta1Reid0	Ok ty. Gonn
2022-02-08 17:16:07	xecuter	Namarrgon: do you know a trick for no (auto pause)? if i watch a serie, that it will stop and ask for continue
2022-02-08 17:16:08	Mete-	Namarrgon, thanks.
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2022-02-08 17:16:25	CarloWood	Hmmpf. Basically need what it says at the bottom of https://docs.kde.org/stable5/en/plasma-desktop/kcontrol/kcmsmserver/index.html   "Finally, you can enter a colon (:) or comma (,) separated list of applications that should be excluded from sessions, and therefore will not be started when restoring a session. For example xterm:konsole or xterm,konsole."  They don't even bother to say what that
2022-02-08 17:16:25	CarloWood	is - I assume the filenames of 
2022-02-08 17:16:25	CarloWood	the executables :/.  No way to add a window class thus?
2022-02-08 17:16:25	@phrik	Title: Session Management (at docs.kde.org)
2022-02-08 17:17:04	Namarrgon	xecuter: i'm not aware of a way to disable it
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2022-02-08 17:18:58	xecuter	Namarrgon:  :((( i had try netflix-qdesktop. there i found two problems. 1. no function to deactivate auto-pause. 2. the option window max/min <-- the min function not works. so i search for an alternative
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2022-02-08 17:19:40	xecuter	the advantage of the testes netflix ok is ok for my screensaver (better as browser)
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2022-02-08 17:20:03	Namarrgon	xecuter: qdesktop is just a webengine frontend, suffers from all the issues as the "regular" website
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2022-02-08 17:20:37	xecuter	i do not know q :)) i have justed installed because the name "netflix" is inside :)
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2022-02-08 17:22:01	xecuter	now i ask me, if i should try -bin or -git too? or do not try.  i am not a fan of netflix, but i wonderes because hmmm why there is not a very good package in the arch repo... \o/
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2022-02-08 17:22:22	Khorne	is there software for that at all?
2022-02-08 17:22:32	xecuter	just AUR
2022-02-08 17:22:38	Khorne	If there is, package it yourself, if there isn't, that is your answer
2022-02-08 17:23:10	xecuter	hmm kk i just want asking :)
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2022-02-08 19:36:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-08 19:36:12	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1506 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1504 normals)
2022-02-08 19:34:06	⚡ 	zeraphel wonders if any of pulseaudio's modules can be used as sources
2022-02-08 19:36:12	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-08 19:36:40	shem	some of them old Romans had pools with moray eels, and underperforming slaves and unwanted insurance salesmen would end up in them. like the trolls, the moray eels always made me wonder about their maximal possible size and effectiveness
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2022-02-08 19:40:25	shem	zeraphel: this again is not about you. i use pipewire these days and do more complex routing with its jack implementation
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2022-02-08 19:43:55	novns	my GCC's bug is getting patched
2022-02-08 19:43:56	zeraphel	shem: been hearing alot bout pipewire/jack, its definitely on my todo list.  But i'd like to slap something together this evening  ( not an ideal situation )
2022-02-08 19:43:57	novns	nice
2022-02-08 19:44:05	novns	https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=104288
2022-02-08 19:44:07	@phrik	Title: 104288 – [11/12 Regression] EVRP null pointer check removal for strcmp (and maybe others) is not flow senative (at gcc.gnu.org)
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2022-02-08 19:48:15	novns	and my covid is over, that's nice too
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2022-02-08 19:49:42	zeraphel	+++ cheers novns,  stuff's way over my head but figured i'd say something anyway
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2022-02-08 20:17:52	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-08 20:26:08	xecuter	where i get help when i can not select in telegram voicechat my usb headset speakers? (mic of headset is available). i am using pipewire. from system-settings i can to switch to headset speakers and then in telegram using the headset speakers. then i have to set systemaudio back to normal speakers, for my other stuff. help?
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2022-02-09 23:52:06	chadea	arch in 2001
2022-02-09 23:52:11	chadea	wow
2022-02-09 23:52:54	chadea	I got mandrake to install in 2003
2022-02-09 23:53:16	chadea	One hour before space shuttle columbia disintegrated
2022-02-09 23:55:44	socksinspace	damn, y'all are old :P
2022-02-10 00:04:25	e36freak	mefistofeles: would be really impressive if you're still on the original install
2022-02-10 00:05:15	mefistofeles	e36freak: that was the joke :)
2022-02-10 00:05:45	mefistofeles	I don't think arch was even a thing back then
2022-02-10 00:16:58	socksinspace	i guess in theory it would be possible to have an arch32 install that was made back when arch started, but with that much time passing your hardrive would probably have died, or been replaced to get a bigger/faster one
2022-02-10 01:35:20	ursatempest	!paste
2022-02-10 01:35:20	@phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-02-10 02:11:34	xecycle	hi, I cannot boot with kernel 5.16.5+ (tried .5, .7) and now stuck at .4.  logs say "Failed to look up module alias 'crypto_user': Function not implemented" along with some other modules; am I missing some packages?
2022-02-10 02:15:27	Namarrgon	what was the last kernel that worked?
2022-02-10 02:15:33	xecycle	5.15.4
2022-02-10 02:15:47	xecycle	ah sorry, 5.16.4
2022-02-10 02:16:06	Namarrgon	what exactly happens when you boot? where do you end up?
2022-02-10 02:17:15	xecycle	ended up in the emergency shell, but root is already mounted, and switch_root completed successfully; I can revert to that old kernel from /var/cache/pacman, and reboot to get back
2022-02-10 02:17:53	Namarrgon	root is mounted where?
2022-02-10 02:18:04	xecycle	root at /, not /sysroot
2022-02-10 02:18:36	Namarrgon	do you have any encrypted blockdevices?
2022-02-10 02:18:49	xecycle	no, just lvm and efi system
2022-02-10 02:18:58	Namarrgon	separate /boot?
2022-02-10 02:19:06	xecycle	ESP mounted at /efi
2022-02-10 02:19:15	Namarrgon	what about /boot?
2022-02-10 02:19:32	xecycle	inside /.  I'm using dracut --uefi
2022-02-10 02:19:33	Namarrgon	how old is this system and how did you install it?
2022-02-10 02:19:42	Nomenclatura	dracut???
2022-02-10 02:19:50	Nomenclatura	are you on Arch?
2022-02-10 02:20:02	xecycle	yes, dracut, definitely arch
2022-02-10 02:20:19	xecycle	first line of pacman.log says 2022-02-01
2022-02-10 02:21:33	Namarrgon	which kernel version was installed by pacstrap?
2022-02-10 02:22:02	xecycle	hmm the first one is 5.16.4
2022-02-10 02:22:15	Namarrgon	you used pacstrap, right? not the archinstall script?
2022-02-10 02:22:20	xecycle	yes, pacstrap
2022-02-10 02:22:31	Namarrgon	fstab doesn't list /boot?
2022-02-10 02:22:58	xecycle	I have /efi and /home in fstab, no more
2022-02-10 02:23:02	xecycle	not even /
2022-02-10 02:23:11	Namarrgon	you didn't use genfstab?
2022-02-10 02:23:29	xecycle	i did not...
2022-02-10 02:24:01	Namarrgon	when you boot with any of the broken kernels, what does 'uname -r' report and what version is in /boot at that time?
2022-02-10 02:24:27	xecycle	oops, thanks, i think i forgot to install an initrd hook for dracut
2022-02-10 02:24:44	Namarrgon	that would explain the breakage
2022-02-10 02:27:24	xecycle	while installing this system I simply ran a "pacman -Qqne" from another arch system and installed that list...  but dracut hook is "-m" so i forgot that one
2022-02-10 03:38:47	Nomenclatura	was not aware we had dracut
2022-02-10 03:39:11	Nomenclatura	thought everybody used mkinitcpio
2022-02-10 03:44:59	⚡ 	espresso learned something about dracut from Nomenclatura 
2022-02-10 04:05:06	null1	how do I run this script https://github.com/LukeSmithxyz/voidrice/blob/master/.local/bin/setbg#L26 without needing sudo permissions?
2022-02-10 04:09:22	Namarrgon	why do you think that it doesn't work without sudo?
2022-02-10 04:10:04	null1	Namarrgon: cause I tried running it and it prompted me with a permisison denied
2022-02-10 04:10:25	Namarrgon	how did you invoke it?
2022-02-10 04:10:51	null1	I placed it in the /ust/local/bin directory 
2022-02-10 04:11:01	null1	and called it wth zsh
2022-02-10 04:11:08	Namarrgon	are you following some guide?
2022-02-10 04:11:13	null1	no
2022-02-10 04:11:38	null1	this is just a script to set random wallpapers from a directory using xwallpaper
2022-02-10 04:11:58	Namarrgon	what was the exact output?
2022-02-10 04:12:21	Namarrgon	!ix
2022-02-10 04:12:22	@phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-02-10 04:13:08	null1	zsh: permission denied: setbg
2022-02-10 04:14:47	Namarrgon	"$zsh /usr/local/bin/setbg"?
2022-02-10 04:16:21	Namarrgon	or did you just type "setbg" or "/usr/local/bin/setbg" into a terminal?
2022-02-10 04:16:47	looah	prob just want to give yourself permission to execute it.
2022-02-10 04:17:02	null1	Namarrgon: I typed setbg. when I made the script executable I used chmod u+v, thats why I needed root persmissions
2022-02-10 04:17:09	ds	did you remember to chmod +x?
2022-02-10 04:17:17	null1	I changed it to a+x and now it works
2022-02-10 04:17:22	Namarrgon	"chmod u+v"?
2022-02-10 04:18:00	null1	u+x I mean lol
2022-02-10 04:18:39	looah	whom owns the file
2022-02-10 04:19:01	looah	nevermind
2022-02-10 04:20:21	AeroNotix	at some point I remember there being archlinux baby clothes?
2022-02-10 04:20:26	AeroNotix	is that a false memory?
2022-02-10 04:24:37	AeroNotix	something like 'btw my dad uses arch'
2022-02-10 04:25:28	Namarrgon	arch doesn't sell merch directly, many other vendors do though; it's possible that there was something like that
2022-02-10 04:26:01	AeroNotix	My (potentially fake) memory is that it was from one of the few vendors on archlinux.org
2022-02-10 04:26:12	AeroNotix	but not seeing it now
2022-02-10 04:37:13	Nomenclatura	null1: dont run random scripts from the Internet... even less as root
2022-02-10 04:37:24	Nomenclatura	thats nuts
2022-02-10 04:38:20	Nomenclatura	and that script should be places under ~/.config/autostart-scripts/
2022-02-10 04:40:14	null1	Nomenclatura: that person has a 100k suscriber yt channel
2022-02-10 04:40:44	⚡ 	thrice resists "so does joe rogan" comment
2022-02-10 04:40:46	null1	also why are you advising against puting it in /bin?
2022-02-10 04:41:55	kulak	I am using mkarchiso with zfs-linux and I've got this error:    warning: cannot resolve "linux=5.16.5.arch1-1", a dependency of "zfs-linux"
2022-02-10 04:43:13	thrice	well, the arch repos have updated to 5.16.7
2022-02-10 05:52:26	null1	how do I change for all programs?
2022-02-10 06:04:11	espresso	null1: background info on /bin, etc, https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard  https://linuxhandbook.com/linux-directory-structure/
2022-02-10 06:04:12	@phrik	Title: Filesystem Hierarchy Standard - Wikipedia (at wikipedia.org)
2022-02-10 06:06:27	espresso	or more specifically, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Frequently_asked_questions#Does_Arch_follow_the_Linux_Foundation's_Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard_(FHS)?
2022-02-10 06:06:28	@phrik	Title: Frequently asked questions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-10 06:14:41	ds	huh, bug in the wiki? seems ff strips the ? thinking it's an empty query string so doesn't jump to the heading
2022-02-10 06:14:56	ds	are the links done manually or is that something the wiki does? in terms of getting the ? url-encoded
2022-02-10 06:15:24	ds	strange that clicking it works fine though o.O
2022-02-10 06:16:38	ds	nvm, answered the question by clicking the 'view source' tab. autogen it seems
2022-02-10 06:25:53	bluehoney	can pacman be used to add to my package list something i am going to install from a .sh?
2022-02-10 06:26:41	ds	not sure, but any reason you don't want to create a pkgbuild that runs the .sh?
2022-02-10 06:27:20	bluehoney	getting anaconda...the aur version is very old and there doesn't seem to be a pkgbuild
2022-02-10 06:27:57	ds	if there's an aur version, it has a pkgbuild. you might be able to modify it to work with a more recent version
2022-02-10 06:28:44	bluehoney	i just need to look more then :p but then with the pkgbuild i can use that with pacman?
2022-02-10 06:29:51	ds	!aw makepkg
2022-02-10 06:29:52	@phrik	ds: Makepkg - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Makepkg
2022-02-10 06:30:21	ds	bluehoney: check related articles there too, pkgbuild and aur pages botth have a lot of useful info
2022-02-10 06:30:41	bluehoney	thanks
2022-02-10 06:30:46	ds	though https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Creating_packages is probably the best start ;)
2022-02-10 06:30:47	@phrik	Title: Creating packages - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-10 06:30:48	⚡ 	ds missed that one
2022-02-10 06:39:37	kulak	well, I just for the 1st time installed ZFS as root filesystem and booted.  It was tough.
2022-02-10 07:05:03	mbuf	Any suggestions for a netbook to run Arch for video conferencing?
2022-02-10 07:16:00	cyphertite	kulak:  I run Arch with zfs encrypted / - this way works:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_on_ZFS 
2022-02-10 07:16:02	@phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux on ZFS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-10 08:00:46	Ghosthree3	why use zfs for a single disk? or are you raiding /
2022-02-10 08:07:50	cyphertite	Ghosthree3:  I keep my zpools synced with an external SSD, but zfs is also an excellent filesystem even for a single disk
2022-02-10 08:21:06	pankaj	I have added my printer to cups interface after installing the printer specific driver. My printer is Samsung ML2161. However, whenever I try printing anything even a test page the job is withheld in cups interface and it shows pending. The page never gets printed.
2022-02-10 08:21:24	pankaj	But when I connect the same printer to one of my windows computer then it works.
2022-02-10 08:27:58	Abdullah	I want to enable static IPs in virtualbox machines. As well as also want these virtual machines connect to internet. How to do this with Arch host and Redhat VMs?
2022-02-10 08:34:21	ds	pankaj: is it really 'pending' or did it error out?
2022-02-10 08:35:06	corshine	anybody use microsoft teams on arch linux? Im confused which one is the right packages to install
2022-02-10 08:35:35	ds	pankaj: to get mine working i need mdns_minimal in my /etc/nsswitch.conf (and the nss-mdns package)
2022-02-10 08:36:40	SponiX	corshine: umm, I just used chrome web browser and did it in there -- as the package didn't want to work correctly for me ( I extracted the deb and ran it, but it told me it wasn't for free use accounts )
2022-02-10 08:37:25	corshine	SponiX: I see, I'll just use it in browser then, is there anything that doesnt work in the browser?
2022-02-10 08:41:18	SponiX	corshine: not that I noticed, only strange part about Microsoft Teams is, it waits until you are connecting into a room for a connections test, it doesn't do one prior to that like Zoom does
2022-02-10 08:41:24	SponiX	That is kind of dumb IMHO
2022-02-10 08:41:36	SponiX	But everything did work
2022-02-10 09:03:05	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-10 09:06:56	taktaktak	hey i'm getting an error every time i start my laptop
2022-02-10 09:07:00	taktaktak	it's a new arch installation
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2022-02-10 09:07:30	taktaktak	Failed to start Load/Save Screen Backlight Brightness of leds:dell::kbd_backlight
2022-02-10 09:08:03	taktaktak	dell:kbd_backlight: Failed to read current brightness: invalid argument
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2022-02-10 09:08:09	taktaktak	anybody can help me with this?
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2022-02-10 09:10:05	daurn	huh. did the system default font change in some way in the last few days?
2022-02-10 09:10:07	ℹ 	Guest2732 es conocido ahora como Tom^
2022-02-10 09:10:28	daurn	I just rebooted after updating for the first time in a few days, and anything using the default font is different
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2022-02-10 09:18:44	weltio	"Failed to check for chroot() environment: Permission denied" - what?! (makepkg in docker)
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2022-02-10 09:24:39	teraflops	daurn: system default font? you are probably using an alias
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2022-02-10 09:34:57	kevr	weltio: that is a whole lot not no information
2022-02-10 09:35:01	kevr	lol
2022-02-10 09:35:19	kevr	we need some details about the docker setup
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2022-02-10 09:44:23	taktaktak	no one can help me? :D
2022-02-10 09:45:25	mpan	taktaktak: are you using that service?
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2022-02-10 09:46:21	espresso	taktaktak: i found this.. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=187921
2022-02-10 09:46:21	@phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Failed to start Load/Save Screen Backlight Brightness / Laptop Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2022-02-10 09:47:22	lavaball	is there some magic to mounting the sd card inside a camera? usually it just shows up as /dev/sd..  here it doesn't. dmesg identifies the device properly. i found no special usb options in the camera settings either.
2022-02-10 09:47:54	taktaktak	espresso: but that's not the same that i get
2022-02-10 09:48:12	mpan	lavaball: you mean like a photo camera, connected over USB?
2022-02-10 09:48:20	taktaktak	espresso: that error on that thread is for backlight:acpi_video0
2022-02-10 09:48:43	lavaball	mpan, yes.
2022-02-10 09:48:55	taktaktak	espresso: mine is for leds:dell::kbd_backlight
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2022-02-10 09:49:46	mpan	lavaball: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GPhoto
2022-02-10 09:49:47	@phrik	Title: gPhoto - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-10 09:50:00	lavaball	meh.
2022-02-10 09:50:12	lavaball	thanks though. i found the gphoto2 thing, but i wasn't amused.
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2022-02-10 09:51:07	mpan	lavaball: photo cameras usually do not present themselves as USB mass storage. You need gphoto to access them. I do not see what do you mean by “not amused”.
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2022-02-10 09:51:13	taktaktak	mpan: what do you mean?
2022-02-10 09:51:25	taktaktak	mpan: it's the service for the screen brightness right?
2022-02-10 09:51:25	mpan	taktaktak: do you use that service? The one that is failing.
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2022-02-10 09:51:32	taktaktak	mpan: but i can't use it
2022-02-10 09:51:50	mpan	taktaktak: by the name, it seems like a service to restore brightness on boot.
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2022-02-10 09:52:29	lavaball	mpan, i prefer not installing stuff and just mounting them as sdx. i'm weird likethat.
2022-02-10 09:52:56	mpan	lavaball: but you can’t. They do not present themselves as standard USB mass storage devices. It’s their manufacturers’ choice.
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2022-02-10 09:53:36	taktaktak	mpan: ah yes you're right i'm sorry, it's the service that remembers my brightness level from last time and restores it on boot
2022-02-10 09:53:44	taktaktak	mpan: and i'd like to be using it
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2022-02-10 09:53:52	lavaball	mpan, i know, but that doesn't mean i have to like it. gphoto2 works as advertised. thanks a bunch.
2022-02-10 09:54:23	mpan	taktaktak: then dunno. I was going to suggest you to simply disable it. :)
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2022-02-10 09:56:35	espresso	taktaktak: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html  has  acpi_backlight ..
2022-02-10 09:56:35	@phrik	Title: The kernel’s command-line parameters — The Linux Kernel documentation (at www.kernel.org)
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2022-02-10 09:59:46	mpan	taktaktak: see what journal says for that. I think it will be: sudo journalctl -b 0 -u systemd-backlight@leds:dell::kbd_backlight
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2022-02-10 10:00:32	taktaktak	mpan: it says the error that i pasted earlier
2022-02-10 10:00:35	susi	taktaktak: what's in your /sys/class/backlight? I have 'intel_backlight'
2022-02-10 10:00:41	mpan	taktaktak: well… only that error?
2022-02-10 10:00:45	taktaktak	susi: i have intel_backlight as well
2022-02-10 10:00:49	taktaktak	mpan: yes
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2022-02-10 10:00:54	taktaktak	mpan: wait i'll send a pastebin
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2022-02-10 10:01:12	taktaktak	espresso: i don't know if it's the right one cause i have intel_backlight not acpi_backlight
2022-02-10 10:01:18	taktaktak	!rs
2022-02-10 10:01:18	@phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2022-02-10 10:01:23	mpan	taktaktak: it looks to me as if the device name is invalid for some reason. The parameter after @, which is passed to systemd-backlight (the program, not the service).
2022-02-10 10:01:28	susi	taktaktak: maybe try `/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-backlight load backlight:intel_backlight`
2022-02-10 10:01:52	taktaktak	https://paste.rs/3Sk
2022-02-10 10:01:57	gianmarcogg03	hello i have an issue with x11 and bspwm where when i hold certain keys (volume, a resize bind for bspwm) it would kick me out of my session entirely, this happens at random so not all the time but it's annoying, i have here a journalctl log that i hope can be useful: https://pastebin.com/11uwMJGd
2022-02-10 10:01:58	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oX4h.txt
2022-02-10 10:01:58	@phrik	Title: feb 10 09:09:03 redfin systemd[2554]: Started GnuPG cryptographic agent and pass - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2022-02-10 10:02:32	susi	taktaktak: or systemctl restart systemd-backlight@backlight:intel_backlight
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2022-02-10 10:03:36	taktaktak	it's still failing
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2022-02-10 10:04:14	lavaball	gphoto2 --delete-all doesn't seem to work. and in gphoto2 --shell if i want to go in the directory it give me this: *** Error (-107: 'Directory not found') ***. --get-all-files works fine though. 
2022-02-10 10:04:25	lavaball	oh, -D or --delete-all-files.
2022-02-10 10:04:38	lavaball	i did it correctly. just wrote it wrong in here.
2022-02-10 10:04:52	mpan	lavaball: plus desktop environments and their file managers often have native support for gphoto and mounting things.
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2022-02-10 10:06:34	mpan	taktaktak: there is a double :: in the name. Did you manually enable that service? Is that added by some udev rule?
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2022-02-10 10:07:12	taktaktak	mpan: i didn't enable it or anything
2022-02-10 10:07:21	taktaktak	mpan: it's my first time installing arch
2022-02-10 10:07:30	taktaktak	mpan: and i've been getting this error ever since i installed it
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2022-02-10 10:07:38	mpan	Me not even having anything to compare that to makes debugging harder.
2022-02-10 10:07:50	susi	leds:dell::kbd_backlight sounds like keyboard backlights anyway, not screen brightness
2022-02-10 10:07:57	mpan	That too.
2022-02-10 10:08:21	susi	taktaktak: you tried `systemctl restart systemd-backlight@backlight:intel_backlight` ?
2022-02-10 10:08:39	susi	and then check its status
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2022-02-10 10:09:22	mpan	taktaktak: what entries are in “/sys/class/backlight/”? Besides intel_backlight.
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2022-02-10 10:09:49	taktaktak	susi: yes, didn't work
2022-02-10 10:10:10	susi	taktaktak: what's in /var/lib/systemd/backlight/
2022-02-10 10:10:11	scrumplex	Toolchain update on testing did NOT break my system. Thanks to everyone who is working on this!
2022-02-10 10:10:13	taktaktak	mpan: only intel_backlight, nothing else
2022-02-10 10:10:23	mpan	I wonder where this parameter is picked up from.
2022-02-10 10:10:30	taktaktak	susi: only intel_backlight
2022-02-10 10:10:56	ds	!paste
2022-02-10 10:10:56	@phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-02-10 10:11:13	susi	taktaktak: after running that systemctl restart, what's in systemctl status systemd-backlight@backlight:intel_backlight
2022-02-10 10:11:27	mpan	WAIT
2022-02-10 10:11:36	mpan	taktaktak: what’s in “/sys/class/leds/”?
2022-02-10 10:12:23	taktaktak	susi: it says active and shows no errors
2022-02-10 10:13:04	susi	taktaktak: so it works, then
2022-02-10 10:13:06	taktaktak	mpan: there's that dell::kbd_backlight, and other stuff like numkey, capslock and stuff like htat
2022-02-10 10:13:23	susi	taktaktak: just systemctl enable systemd-backlight@backlight:intel_backlight
2022-02-10 10:13:33	susi	and systemctl disable that leds: stuff
2022-02-10 10:13:44	mpan	Ok, so that’s where it picked it up from. Though that is not documented in the Arch Wiki for some reason.
2022-02-10 10:14:02	mpan	taktaktak: does the laptop have keyboard backlight at all?
2022-02-10 10:14:10	taktaktak	susi: when i enable it it says this unit files have no installation config
2022-02-10 10:14:26	taktaktak	mpan: what do you mean?
2022-02-10 10:14:33	taktaktak	wait i have to go just 5 min
2022-02-10 10:14:37	taktaktak	i'm back in 5 min
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2022-02-10 10:14:39	mpan	susi: you do realize we are talking about leds:dell::kbd_backlight?
2022-02-10 10:14:43	mpan	taktaktak: ok
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2022-02-10 10:18:25	mpan	And I have a suspicion what happens. I dunno why systemd-backlight considers things in “…/leds”, but if it picks up a LED that only takes 0 or 1, it is probably trying to set it to something higher… and hence the error. So far my hypothesis.
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2022-02-10 10:31:04	mpan	taktaktak: welcome back.
2022-02-10 10:31:09	taktaktak	so i'm back, i don't know if you got my previous message
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2022-02-10 10:31:20	taktaktak	mpan: i wasn't sure what your question meant
2022-02-10 10:31:21	mpan	taktaktak: does the keyboard have backlight?
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2022-02-10 10:31:29	taktaktak	mpan: what do you mean by that?
2022-02-10 10:31:35	taktaktak	mpan: if i have any lights that turn on?
2022-02-10 10:31:48	mpan	Does it shine light into your face from underneath the keys? :D
2022-02-10 10:31:54	taktaktak	:D
2022-02-10 10:31:58	taktaktak	only the capslock key
2022-02-10 10:32:30	mpan	Does it do this: <https://static.slickdealscdn.com/attachment/2/1/5/9/2/1/2/0/8991980.attach>? :D
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2022-02-10 10:33:31	taktaktak	aha no no
2022-02-10 10:33:33	taktaktak	not at all
2022-02-10 10:33:34	mpan	taktaktak: does the directory “/var/lib/systemd/backlight” exist? If yes, what are the files in it?
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2022-02-10 10:34:17	taktaktak	mpan: only this file
2022-02-10 10:34:19	taktaktak	mpan: pci-0000:00:02.0:backlight:intel_backlight
2022-02-10 10:34:21	mpan	What does that print? Likely a number. 0 or something else? cat /sys/class/leds/dell::kbd_backlight/brightness
2022-02-10 10:34:42	mpan	wait
2022-02-10 10:34:53	taktaktak	mpan: that prints 3
2022-02-10 10:34:53	mpan	cat /sys/class/leds/dell\:\:kbd_backlight/brightness
2022-02-10 10:34:59	taktaktak	yep got it
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2022-02-10 10:36:11	mpan	And: cat /sys/class/leds/dell\:\:kbd_backlight/max_brightness
2022-02-10 10:36:25	taktaktak	2
2022-02-10 10:36:49	mpan	My suspicion is that it tries to set invalid value to the keyboard brightness.
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2022-02-10 10:37:13	taktaktak	should i set the /sys/class/leds/dell::kbd_backlight/brightness to 2?
2022-02-10 10:37:18	taktaktak	which is the max?
2022-02-10 10:37:21	taktaktak	and then try?
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2022-02-10 10:37:38	mpan	If you do not use keyboard backlight, you may simply mask the service.
2022-02-10 10:37:45	taktaktak	ok
2022-02-10 10:37:59	taktaktak	systemctl mask "backlight service name"?
2022-02-10 10:38:00	mpan	YOu may, if you want, but if you do not use it, I think it will be easier to mask the service entirely.
2022-02-10 10:38:03	mpan	yes
2022-02-10 10:38:06	taktaktak	ok
2022-02-10 10:38:06	mpan	With the @ part after it.
2022-02-10 10:38:11	taktaktak	yep
2022-02-10 10:38:15	taktaktak	then i'll do that
2022-02-10 10:38:22	mpan	See if the problem repeats on the next reboot.
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2022-02-10 10:38:54	taktaktak	ok let me reboot
2022-02-10 10:38:58	taktaktak	report back in a sec :D
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2022-02-10 10:40:06	taktaktak	mpan: the error doesn't show up anymore
2022-02-10 10:40:10	taktaktak	so i'm good
2022-02-10 10:40:17	taktaktak	thanks a lot for your help :)
2022-02-10 10:40:25	mpan	taktaktak I have no way to verify that here, but my hypothesis is like that. It picks up keyboard LEDs as something that can have brightness controlled (somewhat right). It tries to restore it, but uses a value that is too big.
2022-02-10 10:40:50	taktaktak	mpan: yeah i get it now. thank you :9
2022-02-10 10:40:54	taktaktak	i have one more problem now
2022-02-10 10:40:57	taktaktak	that i'd like to fix
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2022-02-10 10:41:24	mpan	If you would ever use that backlight, you may write a lower value to leds/…/backlight and it will probably be stored in “/var/lib/systemd/backlight/…thename…”.
2022-02-10 10:41:52	mpan	Also write down somewhere that you have masked the service. YOU WILL FORGET. And it’s something that may be a problem if you ever want to troubleshoot keyboard backlight.
2022-02-10 10:42:10	taktaktak	mpan: can i not see somewhere what services i have masked?
2022-02-10 10:42:32	mpan	You can, but you must remember that you did. :P
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2022-02-10 10:42:55	taktaktak	ok :D
2022-02-10 10:42:59	taktaktak	then i'll write it down
2022-02-10 10:43:02	taktaktak	so my other problem now
2022-02-10 10:43:08	taktaktak	i am using a laptop which has an Fn key
2022-02-10 10:43:35	taktaktak	and it uses the F1 F2 F3 etc. keys in combination with Fn to change volume up/down/mute and brightness up/down
2022-02-10 10:43:37	mpan	… and since masking is in this case circumventing the problem, not really solving it, it’s a hack and should be remembered. :)
2022-02-10 10:43:39	taktaktak	but it's not working
2022-02-10 10:43:50	mpan	The special keys must be handled by something.
2022-02-10 10:43:56	taktaktak	so first of all
2022-02-10 10:44:03	taktaktak	i found a command on the wiki
2022-02-10 10:44:12	taktaktak	i don't remember what it was, it was a long thing
2022-02-10 10:44:19	taktaktak	it showed me what key i was pressing
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2022-02-10 10:44:36	taktaktak	when i use Fn together with brightness up/down it showed BrightnessUp or BrightnessDown
2022-02-10 10:44:41	taktaktak	but it didn't do smth
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2022-02-10 10:44:49	taktaktak	and when i used it with volume keys it showed nothing at all
2022-02-10 10:45:01	taktaktak	i was told here i need to bind the keys to smth
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2022-02-10 10:45:17	taktaktak	should i be doing this with xbindkeys?
2022-02-10 10:45:25	mpan	Yes, you do. They do not work magically. 
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2022-02-10 10:45:54	cent	A library of clipr (R) requires the DISPLAY to be set.
2022-02-10 10:46:18	cent	When I ssh to the box (using X11Forwarding) the display is set and clipr works fine.
2022-02-10 10:46:26	taktaktak	ok
2022-02-10 10:46:41	taktaktak	so how do i know which key is which?
2022-02-10 10:46:47	taktaktak	to bind it?
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2022-02-10 10:46:50	cent	Using RStudio session clipr is complaining about mi-set DISPLAY.
2022-02-10 10:46:54	taktaktak	meaning how do i know the name of hte keys?
2022-02-10 10:47:00	cent	It sets it to :0
2022-02-10 10:47:08	mpan	taktaktak: in my case I bound the things I needed by Xfce’s keyboard configurator.
2022-02-10 10:47:08	cent	Bu that is not correct.
2022-02-10 10:47:22	taktaktak	mpan: i'm not using xfce
2022-02-10 10:47:26	taktaktak	mpan: just using i3
2022-02-10 10:47:32	mpan	taktaktak: as for showing keys: <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Keyboard_input#Using_showkey>.
2022-02-10 10:47:33	@phrik	Title: Keyboard input - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-10 10:47:56	cent	Assigning the DISPLAY a value generated by he ssh session clipr works.
2022-02-10 10:48:04	mpan	taktaktak: to exit do not press anything for 10 seconds. A trap for many people, who panic being unable to leave showkeys. :P
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2022-02-10 10:48:34	cent	How can I set the DISPLAY var from within the rsession so that it sets everything as if it was set by the ssh -X
2022-02-10 10:48:41	taktaktak	mpan: hahah okay let me try it then
2022-02-10 10:49:11	mpan	taktaktak: however, I can’t help with configuring that manually, as I never had the need for that.
2022-02-10 10:49:20	taktaktak	mpan: when i do 'showkey --scancodes' i get couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console
2022-02-10 10:50:18	taktaktak	mpan: nmv, just needed to sudo
2022-02-10 10:50:29	taktaktak	mpan: didn't notice in the wiki
2022-02-10 10:50:31	susi	taktaktak: I have manually configured Fn-keys like "bindsym XF86MonBrightnessUp exec --no-startup-id light -A 7" in i3 config
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2022-02-10 10:50:47	susi	xev can also be used to get the correct symbol for key pressed
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2022-02-10 10:51:12	taktaktak	susi: yes that's what i was using yesterday
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2022-02-10 10:54:06	taktaktak	susi: how do i do that?
2022-02-10 10:54:11	taktaktak	susi: manually configuring them?
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2022-02-10 10:55:42	taktaktak	sorry i have to go again
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2022-02-10 10:55:47	susi	that's how I did it, manually configured every Fn key
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2022-02-10 11:31:31	taktaktak	so i have this problem with keybindings 
2022-02-10 11:31:39	taktaktak	the Fn key doesn't work
2022-02-10 11:31:46	taktaktak	when i want to decrease the brightness for example
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2022-02-10 11:32:13	susi	use bindsym to bind them in your i3 config
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2022-02-10 11:32:38	taktaktak	when i use something to show me the keysymbols and i use Fn and the Brightness up or down it shows me XF86MonBrightnessUp or XF86MonBrightnessDown
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2022-02-10 11:32:56	taktaktak	but when i use Fn with Volume Up/Down/Mute it doesn't show anything at all, as if it doesn't recognize it at all
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2022-02-10 11:33:02	taktaktak	susi: how do i do that?
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2022-02-10 11:33:12	taktaktak	susi: sorry i had to go earlier and couldn't keep talking
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2022-02-10 11:33:39	susi	use xev -event keyboard or some other way to get the correct symbols for the keys and then bind them, for example ""bindsym XF86MonBrightnessUp exec --no-startup-id light -A 7"" in my config to increase brightness
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2022-02-10 11:34:09	susi	my laptop needs to have asus-nb-wmi module loaded for 'extra keys' to work, check if arch wiki has an article for your dell
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2022-02-10 11:34:23	susi	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Laptop/Dell
2022-02-10 11:34:25	@phrik	Title: Laptop/Dell - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-10 11:34:30	taktaktak	i don't find my laptop on that list
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2022-02-10 11:36:33	ℹ 	nop es conocido ahora como Guest1160
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2022-02-10 11:37:21	Dhopper	I need some help, I'm unable to boot arch from a usb, it gives me this error: 
2022-02-10 11:37:23	Dhopper	ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x40000 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen
2022-02-10 11:37:25	Dhopper	ata1.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
2022-02-10 11:37:27	Dhopper	ata1.00: cmd 60/08:90:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/40 tag 18 ncq dma 4096 in
2022-02-10 11:37:29	Dhopper	              red 40/00:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00/00 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
2022-02-10 11:37:31	Dhopper	ata1.00 status: { DRDY }
2022-02-10 11:37:32	ℹ 	Tom es conocido ahora como Guest2030
2022-02-10 11:37:39	taktaktak	susi: ok so when i use xev -event keyboard for brightness up and down it shows me keypress event and keyrelease event and keysyms and names and everything
2022-02-10 11:37:40	Dhopper	But other distros boot just fine
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2022-02-10 11:37:52	taktaktak	susi: but for volume up/down/mute it just shows 0s
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2022-02-10 11:38:29	Foxboron	Dhopper: that seems like a broken disk.
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2022-02-10 11:39:39	Dhopper	The odd thing is that I've tried Suse, Fedora, Ubuntu, Void and all of them works without this error, but arch and arch based distros wont boott 
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2022-02-10 12:25:25	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-10 12:25:25	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1466 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1464 normals)
2022-02-10 12:25:25	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-10 12:25:59	taktaktak	how do i see what services i have masked?
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2022-02-10 12:27:43	susi	taktaktak: systemctl list-unit-files
2022-02-10 12:27:59	susi	state should be masked for masked units
2022-02-10 12:29:38	teraflops	systemctl list-unit-files --state=masked
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2022-02-10 12:30:03	taktaktak	susi: thank you
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2022-02-10 12:33:56	kpcyrd	can somebody recommend a virtual keyboard that works well with i3? so I can click the keys and it inserts them in a different application
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2022-02-10 12:36:17	kpcyrd	I think gnome has something like this built in but I don't know what to search for to get it outside of gnome
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2022-02-10 12:37:24	teraflops	kpcyrd: onboard is not bad
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2022-02-10 12:53:33	kpcyrd	teraflops: thanks!
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2022-02-10 13:06:45	Benzi-Junior	hey, I'm fairly new to the virtual machine game, I just set up a Arch linux on a VM, (kvm, using virt-install) but forgot to install a bootloader before rebooting
2022-02-10 13:07:41	Benzi-Junior	is there a way for me to boot the VM back into the iso so I can add GRUB to the virtual disk ?
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2022-02-10 13:09:48	teraflops	Benzi-Junior: didn't you boot the vm with the arch iso attached to install the OS?
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2022-02-10 13:11:16	Benzi-Junior	teraflops, yes, using virt-install, but (as far as I can tell) is just for creating a VM, at least it complains about the machine existing
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2022-02-10 13:46:56	spasmaster	Hi, because my physical limitation I use kbdrate to change the sensibility of the keyboard. Now I'm want to install fresh archlinux setup with  encrypted harddisks. Is there a way to use kbdrate before the prompt of luks decryption?
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2022-02-10 13:47:46	Khorne	spasmaster, did the recommendations yesterday not work?
2022-02-10 13:47:47	b-rex	spasmaster: yes it can be added to your initramfs but i don't know the exact details of how. check mkinitcpio wiki
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2022-02-10 13:50:57	Gagis	that and some systemd hook or dependency or whatever its called to make it get loaded early enough
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2022-02-10 13:52:29	b-rex	add /usr/bin/kbdrate to BINARIES array in /etc/mkinitcpio.conf, create a run_hook() script in /etc/initcpio/hooks with filename kbdrate
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2022-02-10 13:53:04	b-rex	see the files in /usr/lib/initcpio/hooks for inspiration. add your hook to the HOOKS array before the luks hook
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2022-02-10 13:59:20	spasmaster	Khorne, sorry, I had some problem with irc. I  didn't see your solution.
2022-02-10 13:59:33	Khorne	Well, same as above then :')
2022-02-10 13:59:50	spasmaster	b-rex, thnx,I'll try it
2022-02-10 14:00:29	spasmaster	thnx :-)
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2022-02-10 14:20:51	SysGhost	I wonder... are there any known ghostscript/cups problems lately? I keep hitting my head on why all the libreoffice applications prints garbled ASCII mess, while everything else prints just fine.
2022-02-10 14:21:32	MacGyver	Maybe don't hit your head on the keyboard.
2022-02-10 14:21:40	MacGyver	While libreoffice is open.
2022-02-10 14:21:47	MacGyver	That should fix the garbled ASCII mess.
2022-02-10 14:21:49	SysGhost	hmmm
2022-02-10 14:21:50	MacGyver	!next
2022-02-10 14:21:50	@phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-02-10 14:22:13	MacGyver	(No, I haven't seen anything but I'm also a bit out of date -- can you export to PDF and print *that* successfully?)
2022-02-10 14:22:33	SysGhost	(Testing that now)
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2022-02-10 14:54:19	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-10 14:54:19	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1480 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1478 normals)
2022-02-10 14:25:34	SysGhost	generating PDF's and then printing them with a pdf viewer works fine. Seems I have to work with that workaround for now
2022-02-10 14:27:34	alad	SysGhost: did you downgrade libreoffice? :O
2022-02-10 14:28:51	mpan	If that makes you feel better, for me it prints additional empty pages. Randomly.
2022-02-10 14:28:59	TheDcoder	Hi, I want to add a new custom entry in GRUB for my linux-zen kernel with different kernel cmdline params, but I can't seem to figure it out :-/
2022-02-10 14:29:20	TheDcoder	I am reading the GRUB articles in the wiki but I can't really find a good way to do that
2022-02-10 14:29:35	TheDcoder	what would be the ideal way to do it?
2022-02-10 14:30:06	SysGhost	alad: Not that I'm aware of. latest one from the arch repos.
2022-02-10 14:30:22	alad	SysGhost: I mean, did you try if downgrading makes the problem go away
2022-02-10 14:31:31	TheDcoder	nvm, I think I got it
2022-02-10 14:31:42	SysGhost	Going to try the -fresh ones instead. if that fails time to downgrade until it starts working again.
2022-02-10 14:31:57	⚡ 	SysGhost currently uses the -still packages
2022-02-10 14:32:40	TheDcoder	...isn't downgrading packages illegal in Arch?
2022-02-10 14:32:54	Khorne	Rules are made to be broken
2022-02-10 14:33:32	Khorne	(Also yes, it puts you in a state of partial upgrade)
2022-02-10 14:33:46	Scimmia	not illegal, but will cause problems. In this case, libreoffice uses poppler, so downgrades are unlikely to run
2022-02-10 14:35:29	TheDcoder	Right... I made that comment in jest :)
2022-02-10 14:35:59	MacGyver	TheDcoder: Yes, it's illegal.
2022-02-10 14:36:00	TheDcoder	I use -still versions of LO too but just because the Wiki said its updated less frequently.
2022-02-10 14:36:12	MacGyver	TheDcoder: You're only allowed to do it if you get a written exemption from #archlinux.
2022-02-10 14:36:19	TheDcoder	I don't actually know if it's a different edition/version of LO, is it?
2022-02-10 14:36:23	MacGyver	Otherwise you'll be fined 20 archbucks.
2022-02-10 14:36:33	TheDcoder	MacGyver: lol
2022-02-10 14:36:52	TheDcoder	New idea for a crypto-coin, brb
2022-02-10 14:37:17	Foxboron	MacGyver: we have the fuckup form. Make a partial update form
2022-02-10 14:37:40	MacGyver	Isn't pacman -Sy literally on the fuckup form?
2022-02-10 14:37:43	MacGyver	!form
2022-02-10 14:37:43	@phrik	MacGyver: Eh?
2022-02-10 14:37:56	Foxboron	!fuckupng
2022-02-10 14:37:58	@phrik	https://haavard.me/files/alfa.png
2022-02-10 14:39:01	SysGhost	ooooh... the -fresh libreoffice made a difference: Now it prints an endless stream of blank pages instead of a few hundred with garble-garble.
2022-02-10 14:39:21	TheDcoder	Question: Where can I find the GRUB config shipped with the Linux kernel? Is it generated automatically by GRUB itself? I want to use it as a template for my custom entry
2022-02-10 14:39:26	Khorne	Get into the paper business then, free paper
2022-02-10 14:39:27	MacGyver	SysGhost: Sounds like now you're at least on par with mpan.
2022-02-10 14:39:37	Khorne	TheDcoder, Linux doesn't ship a GRUB config
2022-02-10 14:39:41	grawity	TheDcoder: it's not shipped with the kernel in any way
2022-02-10 14:39:42	Khorne	Grub ships a GRUB config
2022-02-10 14:39:52	TheDcoder	Got it, thanks
2022-02-10 14:39:59	grawity	TheDcoder: mostly it's GRUB itself that ships with a bunch of shellscripts (in /etc/grub) that try to find kernels in /boot
2022-02-10 14:40:04	MacGyver	I think this is the point where I ask "Do you really need grub?"
2022-02-10 14:40:10	Khorne	Who does really
2022-02-10 14:40:10	The-Compiler	Foxboron: bwahahahaa amazing
2022-02-10 14:40:11	grawity	I think the main one is 50_linux or something
2022-02-10 14:40:16	MacGyver	But we may have had that talk before.
2022-02-10 14:40:19	TheDcoder	grawity: I see, that makes sense, I'll look in there then
2022-02-10 14:40:29	MacGyver	Khorne: People that encrypt /boot.
2022-02-10 14:40:35	MacGyver	Khorne: And that's about it.
2022-02-10 14:40:40	grawity	and grub-mkconfig works by running all those scripts in order, that's all
2022-02-10 14:40:46	Foxboron	The-Compiler: It's old!
2022-02-10 14:40:49	Khorne	MacGyver, with LUKS1 or limitedly with LUKS2, so...meh
2022-02-10 14:40:56	TheDcoder	MacGyver: Any suggestions? I am open to using something less complex than GRUB but I still need my custom entries
2022-02-10 14:40:57	SysGhost	that fuckup.png should have the "I listened to..." field prefilled with "alad" ;P
2022-02-10 14:40:59	Foxboron	The-Compiler: https://gist.github.com/haavard/56b8d522893e3c4bb9645c48444a5f5c
2022-02-10 14:41:03	Khorne	TheDcoder, systemd-boot
2022-02-10 14:41:05	MacGyver	TheDcoder: How custom are your custom entries?
2022-02-10 14:41:22	The-Compiler	Foxboron: never seen it before
2022-02-10 14:41:31	MacGyver	TheDcoder: In essence, every boot entry is custom. Unless you're doing crazy shit, (or encrypt your /boot), systemd-boot will be able to handle it.
2022-02-10 14:41:35	BrainDamage	needs to be updated wrt yaourt
2022-02-10 14:41:42	Foxboron	The-Compiler: me and haavard got super bored in 2017 :p
2022-02-10 14:41:46	TheDcoder	MacGyver: A few entries to reboot, shutdown and to enter the UEFI shell. Now I am also adding a new entry to start the kernel with custom args :)
2022-02-10 14:41:52	Khorne	BrainDamage, no it doesn't, the fuckup says the same if you keep using yaourt :')
2022-02-10 14:42:04	MacGyver	Hmm, reboot and shutdown I honestly don't know.
2022-02-10 14:42:12	MacGyver	At bootloader point that's a hardware issue to me :P
2022-02-10 14:42:33	TheDcoder	Khorne: Isn't systemd-boot just an EFI stub to load the kernel directly? (i.e no UI)
2022-02-10 14:42:43	Khorne	TheDcoder, no
2022-02-10 14:42:44	MacGyver	No, you get a menu.
2022-02-10 14:42:44	alad	SysGhost: >:|
2022-02-10 14:43:01	TheDcoder	That's nice, I will check it out then
2022-02-10 14:43:07	grawity	the *other* .efi file that comes with systemd and has "boot" in its name is just an EFI stub
2022-02-10 14:43:10	MacGyver	And reboot into firmware is added by default I think.
2022-02-10 14:43:26	TheDcoder	I tried a couple of bootloaders in the past and didn't like any of them so I stuck with GRUB when installing Arch
2022-02-10 14:43:51	SysGhost	alad: :|
2022-02-10 14:44:01	MacGyver	It's fine if you do need something grub provides that other loaders don't, of course.
2022-02-10 14:44:10	alad	SysGhost: }:<
2022-02-10 14:44:14	MacGyver	Just, path of least complexity.
2022-02-10 14:44:47	⚡ 	SysGhost says sorry and hands alad an ice cream.
2022-02-10 14:44:54	alad	OOH ICE CREAM
2022-02-10 14:45:05	TheDcoder	MacGyver: Agreed.
2022-02-10 14:45:13	Earnestly	alad: no u scream
2022-02-10 14:45:25	alad	true
2022-02-10 14:46:06	Earnestly	I am very salty about ISO in general and in particularly what they (WG14) did to C
2022-02-10 14:46:23	Earnestly	Now I use RFC3339 and no longer recommend ISO8601, out of spite alone
2022-02-10 14:46:43	Earnestly	particular*
2022-02-10 14:47:00	TheDcoder	Earnestly: What did they do to C? And what's RFC3339 about?
2022-02-10 14:47:09	Earnestly	I'm not sharing my salt
2022-02-10 14:47:21	Khorne	Barely ever
2022-02-10 14:47:26	alad	you can have my pepper
2022-02-10 14:47:28	Earnestly	It's all mine
2022-02-10 14:47:36	mpbsd	timestamps
2022-02-10 14:47:36	TheDcoder	I need some C salt
2022-02-10 14:47:45	TheDcoder	mpbsd: Oh no...
2022-02-10 14:47:52	Earnestly	DMR was right about ISO
2022-02-10 14:48:02	Earnestly	There, tiny amount of salt you can have
2022-02-10 14:48:18	TheDcoder	thanks :D
2022-02-10 14:48:22	Gagis	is the salt related to this? https://arxiv.org/abs/2201.07845
2022-02-10 14:48:23	@phrik	Title: [2201.07845] How ISO C became unusable for operating systems development (at arxiv.org)
2022-02-10 14:48:59	alad	oh no, a computer science paper /D:\
2022-02-10 14:49:09	Earnestly	Gagis: That's part of the collection
2022-02-10 14:49:27	Gagis	a coworked shared that on work slack a couole of days ago
2022-02-10 14:49:46	Earnestly	(It's more an aggregation of long standing problems)
2022-02-10 14:51:14	TheDcoder	Why are scientific papers written in two-columns? I find them annoying to read... I'd perhaps read them if they used the standard single column paragraphs
2022-02-10 14:51:29	Earnestly	TheDcoder: Maybe siojek can help
2022-02-10 14:51:35	Earnestly	sioyek*
2022-02-10 14:51:53	MacGyver	TheDcoder: Because single column makes for *very* wide lines if you use the paper efficiently.
2022-02-10 14:52:00	Earnestly	I believe it has some facilities to help with that, hm
2022-02-10 14:52:02	MacGyver	TheDcoder: You're in the minority if you find that easier to read.
2022-02-10 14:52:09	Gagis	paper-wide text becomes hard to read if the page is wide enough. an A4 should always be divided into several columns to keep text easy to read
2022-02-10 14:52:23	Gagis	its pretty well researcher typography and behiavioural studies kinda stuff
2022-02-10 14:52:35	TheDcoder	MacGyver: Maybe I am just a normie :)
2022-02-10 14:52:38	jelle	this is why the wiki change is also good
2022-02-10 14:53:13	mpbsd	maybe you could download the source files from arxiv and remove the option of multicolumns, them compile it to produce a pdf or whatever
2022-02-10 14:53:14	TheDcoder	jelle: That reminds me, I hate the new wiki, how do I go back?! >:(
2022-02-10 14:53:26	jelle	TheDcoder: just login or apply a userscript
2022-02-10 14:53:32	mpbsd	the sources seem to in the .tex format
2022-02-10 14:53:46	TheDcoder	mpbsd: yeah but honestly I can't be bothered
2022-02-10 14:54:19	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-10 14:54:25	Gagis	the menu structure in new wiki might be bad but narrow text is nice
2022-02-10 14:54:39	Gagis	I wonder if scrollable text could be somehow paginated into columns
2022-02-10 14:54:42	mpbsd	TheDcoder: I don't like multicolumns either
2022-02-10 14:54:49	Gagis	to make use of the silly wide sreens we all use
2022-02-10 14:55:14	grawity	Gagis: enable columns for <p> through a custom CSS userstyle
2022-02-10 14:55:31	grawity	but... wouldn't really work globally
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2022-02-10 14:55:38	TheDcoder	Earnestly: Thanks for the suggestion, Sioyek looks very cool... would be cooler if someone could port it to JS so that we can make it a browser extension!
2022-02-10 14:55:55	Earnestly	Like daggers through my heart
2022-02-10 14:56:02	grawity	it works for paper because the column height is physically limited
2022-02-10 14:56:27	Earnestly	Hm, I must be misremembering because I can't find anything in sioyek to make 2-column easier
2022-02-10 14:56:33	grawity	for a whole article on web you'd probably need to have a page that scrolls horizontally rather than vertically
2022-02-10 14:56:53	TheDcoder	Earnestly: The demo video showed something called a "portal"
2022-02-10 14:56:57	MacGyver	TheDcoder: http://ix.io/3Pdg.pdf
2022-02-10 14:57:08	mpbsd	this cs paper quite intrigued me, I'm gonna have a look at it later today
2022-02-10 14:57:18	MacGyver	TheDcoder: You'll have to trust me I simply added acmlarge to the document format and ran pdflatex on it, nothing else.
2022-02-10 14:57:19	Earnestly	I know mupdf-gl has a 'smart scroll' feature which, if you zoom in on top-left, it will jump to same-page top-right before jumping to next page
2022-02-10 14:57:33	Earnestly	TheDcoder: Yes, but it wasn't the portal feature I was thinking of
2022-02-10 14:58:14	Earnestly	MacGyver: narrow 1-column with side-notes is delicious
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2022-02-10 14:58:19	TheDcoder	MacGyver: Wow, that's cool
2022-02-10 14:58:23	Earnestly	or sidemarks, whatever they call it
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2022-02-10 15:02:52	TheDcoder	Earnestly: I tried mupdf-gl but it's barely usable... I don't like GUIs which are very miminalistic
2022-02-10 15:03:21	Earnestly	Yes, it skips that part
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2022-02-10 15:03:58	TheDcoder	MacGyver: Thanks for the render, I saved it to read later :)
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2022-02-10 15:15:03	SysGhost	Okay.. .this is really weird. I changed my printer to use the generic postscript ppd instead of the Ricoh-specific one. Now everything prints both from libreoffice as well as everywhere else. But I lost all options for finisher, dublex etc. (Obvious fro the generic driver I know) .. Now I'm looking into making my own ppd with the "generic postscript" stuff, but with the hardware options that the
2022-02-10 15:15:03	SysGhost	printer got.
2022-02-10 15:15:42	grawity	what if you do the opposite and make the Ricoh PPD use the generic driver/rasterizer/whatever
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2022-02-10 15:16:14	SysGhost	I could do that. Just need to get that done somehow. Any clues what to look for?
2022-02-10 15:16:24	grawity	*cupsFilter
2022-02-10 15:16:29	SysGhost	ah..
2022-02-10 15:16:33	grawity	e.g. my laserjet's ppd has *cupsFilter: "application/vnd.cups-raster 0 hpcups"
2022-02-10 15:16:55	grawity	pretty sure that means "use /usr/lib/cups/filter/hpcups as the whatever"
2022-02-10 15:18:16	SysGhost	*cupsFilter: "application/vnd.cups-pdf 0 -" 
2022-02-10 15:18:19	SysGhost	*boom it works!
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2022-02-10 15:19:11	TheDcoder	Can I "disable" grub without removing the package?
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2022-02-10 15:20:13	SysGhost	TheDcoder: Sure thing. Just... don't use grub to isntall a bootloader.
2022-02-10 15:21:20	SysGhost	TheDcoder: to clean up you can delete grub related files and folders from your boot partition. Make sure you already have other boot methods in place.
2022-02-10 15:22:20	TheDcoder	SysGhost: Thanks, I forgot that there's an additional installation step :)
2022-02-10 15:22:32	TheDcoder	I also forgot that I can have multiple bootloaders :P
2022-02-10 15:22:32	◣	hB7drf (~quassel@user/hB7drf) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-02-10 15:23:37	SysGhost	well it depends. having the packages installed makes little to no difference. Installing the bootloader to the boot area and/or the nvram boot entries is another. That is system-dependent.
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2022-02-10 15:24:12	SysGhost	uefi is flexible allowing as many boot entries as you like and as long as there's enough space in nvram free.
2022-02-10 15:24:26	SysGhost	legacy is... limited to one MBR record.
2022-02-10 15:24:44	DeepDayze	Yep. You can create additional ESP's if you need them too in UEFI
2022-02-10 15:24:46	SysGhost	although one can have multiple MBR records spread to various drives and whatnot.
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2022-02-10 15:25:18	DeepDayze	if your windows one is too small and you don't feel like resizing it you can create secondary ESPs
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2022-02-10 15:26:01	DeepDayze	yes you can have multiple MBR's and that allows you to boot an OS from a different disk'
2022-02-10 15:26:16	SysGhost	When I set up linux on multiboot with windows I usually go with completely separate ESP partition on separate drives. That way one can pull out one or the other drive, and the computer will always try to boot the next present one.
2022-02-10 15:26:17	TheDcoder	Yes, I understand all that, I am using UEFI of course
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2022-02-10 15:26:28	TheDcoder	I have a pretty big ESP
2022-02-10 15:26:55	DeepDayze	I got stuck with the 100mb Windows one but it works fine with a simple dualboot setup
2022-02-10 15:27:06	TheDcoder	A long time ago I wasn't aware about much of this stuff and accidentally overwrote the header of my partition table when attempting to install ubuntu :(
2022-02-10 15:27:13	DeepDayze	and if I want to boot more I can always create another ESP for Linux to use
2022-02-10 15:27:14	TheDcoder	I lost all my data :(
2022-02-10 15:27:28	DeepDayze	Ouch...been there done that in my early days
2022-02-10 15:27:46	DeepDayze	I save backups of my partition tables
2022-02-10 15:27:53	TheDcoder	It was a painful month
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2022-02-10 15:27:59	DeepDayze	in case I fsck one up I can restore it
2022-02-10 15:28:19	TheDcoder	DeepDayze: I just keep backups of my files these days
2022-02-10 15:28:22	DeepDayze	No doubt it was painful for me too
2022-02-10 15:28:33	DeepDayze	Backups are your friend
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2022-02-10 15:28:38	TheDcoder	definitely
2022-02-10 15:28:53	DeepDayze	I just bought a WD external 8TB drive for my personal cloud backup
2022-02-10 15:28:53	SysGhost	I've messed up my main laptops partition layout so many times, and restored it so many times I can recreate the partition layout from memory. 
2022-02-10 15:28:58	TheDcoder	during that whole fiasco I learnt pretty much everything there was to booting OSes :D
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2022-02-10 15:29:13	DeepDayze	I keep my system images there
2022-02-10 15:29:15	TheDcoder	Including how GPT was superior and how everyone should use it
2022-02-10 15:29:44	TheDcoder	SysGhost: What are you doing with your laptop? O_o
2022-02-10 15:29:46	DeepDayze	so if I mess it up just overwrite the beeswax with the latest backup from that 8TB drive and I am back in business. Learned all that the hard way
2022-02-10 15:29:59	DeepDayze	I also keep my Windows images there too
2022-02-10 15:30:18	TheDcoder	DeepDayze: Hope doesn't aren't raw images, otherwise you'd be wasting a lot of your space
2022-02-10 15:30:29	Gagis	I have gotten too lax with my backups again. lost my porn collection as a teenager back in ye olden days and should have learned my lesson then already :P
2022-02-10 15:30:29	DeepDayze	They are basically tgz's
2022-02-10 15:30:31	TheDcoder	*Hope those aren't
2022-02-10 15:30:32	SysGhost	TheDcoder: Well... *umh*... it's one of those with weird *ss UEFI compatibility. I was experimenting around... and ... wel... *squirms*
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2022-02-10 15:30:47	DeepDayze	LMAO @ porn collection. I had the same thing get lost
2022-02-10 15:30:57	TheDcoder	lol
2022-02-10 15:31:18	DeepDayze	My porn folder was the first victim to my mistakes lol
2022-02-10 15:31:24	TheDcoder	SysGhost: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
2022-02-10 15:31:39	BrainDamage	!grab DeepDayze 
2022-02-10 15:31:39	@phrik	BrainDamage: Tada!
2022-02-10 15:31:43	DeepDayze	LOL
2022-02-10 15:32:04	DeepDayze	I think TGZ archives are the way to go for backups
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2022-02-10 15:32:13	DeepDayze	raw images are a pita
2022-02-10 15:32:55	SysGhost	I just backup the imortant stuff from /home. Everything else can be reinstalled/recreated. Okay... maybe a few /etc files backed up too for good measure
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2022-02-10 15:33:27	SysGhost	I rsync it over to various locations.
2022-02-10 15:33:28	BrainDamage	I backup configuration, package list, and documents
2022-02-10 15:33:47	The-Compiler	TheDcoder: if it's just the partition header being gone, testdisk can easily restore that
2022-02-10 15:33:51	BrainDamage	I have restored a system once with just few minutes of personal attention
2022-02-10 15:33:59	BrainDamage	rest was just the package manager working
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2022-02-10 15:34:01	SysGhost	I stopped bothering about package lists. I install stuff when I need them as I go along.
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2022-02-10 15:34:07	TheDcoder	DeepDayze: It depends, there are programs which can do raw images efficiently
2022-02-10 15:34:24	SysGhost	clonezilla does a good job.
2022-02-10 15:34:25	The-Compiler	I use https://borgbackup.readthedocs.io/ to backup everything except some big folders I don't need backupped with a .nobackup file in it
2022-02-10 15:34:27	@phrik	Title: Borg Documentation — Borg - Deduplicating Archiver 1.1.17 documentation (at borgbackup.readthedocs.io)
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2022-02-10 15:34:37	TheDcoder	The-Compiler: I might have f-ed it up quite good before I tried testdisk
2022-02-10 15:35:03	DeepDayze	Nice...can check out borg
2022-02-10 15:35:17	TheDcoder	SysGhost: I agree about clonezilla, especially partclone
2022-02-10 15:35:21	DeepDayze	ahh testdisk is  a nice program
2022-02-10 15:35:34	DeepDayze	used it to recover things from an SD card
2022-02-10 15:35:41	TheDcoder	DeepDayze: I use luckyBackup, it's a glorified GUI frontend to rsync
2022-02-10 15:35:52	DeepDayze	heard of that too
2022-02-10 15:35:57	SysGhost	luckybackup I can vote for too.
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2022-02-10 15:36:55	DeepDayze	good to have options for backups..hate to lose even my movie and music collection
2022-02-10 15:37:24	DeepDayze	once I lost an entire hard drive that had some rare movies I got off gnutella back in the early days
2022-02-10 15:37:30	Gagis	I'm used to using just plain old rsync
2022-02-10 15:37:35	DeepDayze	drive took a dump...
2022-02-10 15:37:38	Gagis	tho compression might be a good idea
2022-02-10 15:38:11	SysGhost	DeepDayze: easy as long they don't take up lots of terabytes. 
2022-02-10 15:38:12	⚡ 	SysGhost looks at his collections
2022-02-10 15:38:26	DeepDayze	it was about 8GB of stuff lost
2022-02-10 15:38:29	DeepDayze	back then
2022-02-10 15:38:46	⚡ 	SysGhost once bought drives for backup... then... Had to use the backup drives to expand the main storage.
2022-02-10 15:38:56	DeepDayze	8GB drives were pretty new back around 2000 or so
2022-02-10 15:38:59	TheDcoder	One of my friends has a very large digital collection of stuff he owns
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2022-02-10 15:39:23	DeepDayze	I might even spend the cash to build a mini SAN
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2022-02-10 15:39:37	TheDcoder	SAN?
2022-02-10 15:39:40	TheDcoder	do you mean NAS? :P
2022-02-10 15:39:44	DeepDayze	Storage area network
2022-02-10 15:39:52	DeepDayze	nas is another name too
2022-02-10 15:39:54	TheDcoder	is that a real thing?
2022-02-10 15:40:07	DeepDayze	yes basically a cluster of disks in an enclosure
2022-02-10 15:40:11	TheDcoder	lol, it's a palindrome or something :)
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2022-02-10 15:40:24	TheDcoder	Network-attached Storage
2022-02-10 15:40:28	DeepDayze	they can be mapped the way you like...mirrored or raid'ed
2022-02-10 15:40:33	TheDcoder	It's a good concept
2022-02-10 15:40:55	DeepDayze	a 4 disk NAS is like $500 with no drives
2022-02-10 15:41:06	DeepDayze	with drives maybe $800
2022-02-10 15:41:12	Gagis	you can often with them used for real cheap
2022-02-10 15:41:27	DeepDayze	I found one that's used for servers
2022-02-10 15:41:42	DeepDayze	a used 8 bay one
2022-02-10 15:41:52	SysGhost	SAN and NAS is basically the same. But people in the industry see it as one being a regular ethernet slowpoke type, and SAN to be fiber-connected higher speed type.
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2022-02-10 15:41:58	DeepDayze	yep
2022-02-10 15:42:03	MrElendig	build yoursellf
2022-02-10 15:42:13	DeepDayze	fiber connections for my home server sound nice :)
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2022-02-10 15:42:19	TheDcoder	maybe a DIY NAS made out of USB Hubs might be cheaper (with a Pi as the controller)
2022-02-10 15:42:21	MrElendig	software is pretty cruddy on most oem nas boxes anyway
2022-02-10 15:42:33	DeepDayze	you can flash custom firmware to some of those
2022-02-10 15:42:33	MrElendig	TheDcoder: better off with x86 hardware
2022-02-10 15:42:46	SysGhost	TheDcoder: I once tried. THE CPU overhead gets mad when it starts to work with medium to small sized files.
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2022-02-10 15:42:59	TheDcoder	MrElendig: Right, that's an option too, but Pi is more budget... as if that counts anyway
2022-02-10 15:43:06	Gagis	I've seen DIY nas setups built inside furniture with a raspberry PI as the controller
2022-02-10 15:43:08	MrElendig	TheDcoder: rpi isn't actually that much cheaper
2022-02-10 15:43:09	DeepDayze	a mini san be cool for all my data :)
2022-02-10 15:43:12	MrElendig	and it really is slow
2022-02-10 15:43:22	DeepDayze	can read the drives fast
2022-02-10 15:43:27	MrElendig	its "fine" if you will only use it for slow storage and nothing else
2022-02-10 15:43:30	TheDcoder	MrElendig: Last time I checked x86 hardware was much costlier
2022-02-10 15:43:31	DeepDayze	and even boot VM's direct from a SAN
2022-02-10 15:43:41	MrElendig	TheDcoder: not that much more when you add it all up
2022-02-10 15:43:50	TheDcoder	Hmmm....
2022-02-10 15:43:52	DeepDayze	Amazon has some nas rigs
2022-02-10 15:44:02	MrElendig	TheDcoder: also, you can't actually buy a rpi now
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2022-02-10 15:44:31	TheDcoder	SysGhost: Really? I have a home server which runs in Pi, I download large files regularly and never had any issues with it
2022-02-10 15:44:35	MrElendig	TheDcoder: if you go used you can get a x86 box suitable for nas usage for 200ish usd
2022-02-10 15:44:38	TheDcoder	CPU usage was minimal
2022-02-10 15:44:44	SysGhost	Some USB hubs might even freak out once it starts to get bogged down with traffic.
2022-02-10 15:44:52	DeepDayze	true
2022-02-10 15:44:57	MrElendig	TheDcoder: that is not that far off a rpi4 + case + powersupply etc etc
2022-02-10 15:45:06	TheDcoder	MrElendig: True, used is better
2022-02-10 15:45:20	MrElendig	TheDcoder: and even new, 3-400usd for "overkill" hardware
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2022-02-10 15:45:28	TheDcoder	SysGhost: That's my main gripe with USBs, they are not very reliable
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2022-02-10 15:45:51	TheDcoder	I had one of those SATA to USB things straight up die on me
2022-02-10 15:45:52	SysGhost	TheDcoder: I was running a torrent seedbox on a pi with 8 external hard drives attached via USB. it got slower and slower as the connections started to increase.
2022-02-10 15:45:56	TheDcoder	luckily HDD is still good
2022-02-10 15:46:00	jelle	SysGhost: loool
2022-02-10 15:46:11	TheDcoder	SysGhost: Which OS and FS?
2022-02-10 15:46:20	ℹ 	Ollie es conocido ahora como testing0090
2022-02-10 15:46:22	Gagis	rpi is bottleneck probably only if theres a lot of concurrent access to a lot of individual files. troughput for simple transfers should be pretty fast
2022-02-10 15:46:24	ℹ 	testing0090 es conocido ahora como Ollie
2022-02-10 15:46:25	MrElendig	60-80usd for mobo, 60-100usd for cpu, 50-100usd for ram, 130ish usd for a decent case with psu
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2022-02-10 15:46:54	MrElendig	bonus point: ecc (unbuffered) ram + zfs or similar
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2022-02-10 15:47:02	MrElendig	good luck with zfs on a rpi
2022-02-10 15:47:02	TheDcoder	MrElendig: That's not a portable setup though
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2022-02-10 15:47:09	MrElendig	TheDcoder: sure it is
2022-02-10 15:47:29	TheDcoder	Are there x86 NAS units out there?
2022-02-10 15:47:31	MrElendig	TheDcoder: more so than rpi + a bunch of usb drives :p
2022-02-10 15:47:38	MrElendig	TheDcoder: lots, but they are expensive
2022-02-10 15:47:41	TheDcoder	I never actually used a NAS
2022-02-10 15:47:53	MrElendig	well "expensive"
2022-02-10 15:48:13	SysGhost	ubuntu server. (Yeah even I do some blasphemy every now and then)
2022-02-10 15:48:22	TheDcoder	Gagis: What's the reason behind such a bottleneck? I can't think of anything right off the bat
2022-02-10 15:48:27	MrElendig	TheDcoder: a cube factor itx/matx case is quite portable imo
2022-02-10 15:48:30	TheDcoder	SysGhost: lol
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2022-02-10 15:48:49	MrElendig	heck, even a standard matx isn't that bad, some even comes with carry handles
2022-02-10 15:48:51	MrElendig	or you can add one
2022-02-10 15:48:56	TheDcoder	SysGhost: I used both Raspbian and Arch Linux, my experience was consistent
2022-02-10 15:49:13	TheDcoder	SysGhost: I downloaded the latest 800 GB Flashpoint archive with qBittorrent
2022-02-10 15:49:15	TheDcoder	on it
2022-02-10 15:49:38	TheDcoder	MrElendig: Okay, I am not familiar with DIY computers
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2022-02-10 15:49:40	SysGhost	the drives was lvm'd into one huge storage. two USB hubs. Deluge as the torrent service. Shared on the network with nfs v4
2022-02-10 15:49:54	MrElendig	node 304 isn't that much larger than you standard 4 bay nas
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2022-02-10 15:49:56	TheDcoder	Too much overhead in my opinion
2022-02-10 15:50:09	TheDcoder	I like going old school with traditional vanilla mounts :)
2022-02-10 15:50:17	MrElendig	and you can stuff 6+ 3.5" drives in it
2022-02-10 15:50:39	⚡ 	MrElendig wish fractal would update that case though, its getting a bit old
2022-02-10 15:51:06	MrElendig	downside being no hotswap trays, but realisticly that isn't needed in most cases
2022-02-10 15:51:17	SysGhost	at first it worked quite well.. .but when the incoming connections increased, the load was crazy. and.... suddenly it sterted to give i/o errors. a forced reboot fixed it... and once connections ramped up same thing. USB hub just hang and all drives on that hub couldn't respond.
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2022-02-10 15:51:44	MrElendig	truenas has some nice hardware too, but expensive (since its sponsoring their software)
2022-02-10 15:51:46	TheDcoder	SysGhost: Yeah... not a good idea to do a lot of I/O with those hubs
2022-02-10 15:51:47	DeepDayze	so the best bet is to get an ethernet based device and use a switch
2022-02-10 15:51:48	MrElendig	also basically US only
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2022-02-10 15:52:50	MrElendig	for those in lolusa, you can pick up 2u storage cases for next to nothing too :/
2022-02-10 15:52:58	TheDcoder	Ultimately I think the Pi is more than good enough for a mini home-server
2022-02-10 15:53:29	SysGhost	it indeed is. One just have to accept it has limitations. Wish it had SATA interfaces though.
2022-02-10 15:53:34	TheDcoder	MrElendig: By the way, did you say you can't buy the Pi because of the temporary price hike or is there a shortage of units?
2022-02-10 15:53:59	TheDcoder	SysGhost: SATA interfaces for most SBCs is overkill :P
2022-02-10 15:54:12	MrElendig	https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=709&area=en  too bad silverstone suckjs
2022-02-10 15:54:13	@phrik	Title: SilverStone CS380 INTRODUCTION (at www.silverstonetek.com)
2022-02-10 15:54:15	SysGhost	afaik, a shortage of units. Tried to order both RPi3 and 4... still no estimate on when they're back in stock.
2022-02-10 15:54:19	TheDcoder	And niche SBCs would jack up the price nicely if they add that
2022-02-10 15:54:34	MrElendig	TheDcoder: chip shortage
2022-02-10 15:54:35	jelle	since usb has UAS sata is kinda ok
2022-02-10 15:54:47	SysGhost	TheDcoder: maybe, but SATA is better for the type of traffic. USB is a bot taxing on some types of fs work.
2022-02-10 15:54:53	TheDcoder	MrElendig: I know, but it was still available for purchase in my country, let me check again
2022-02-10 15:54:57	jelle	my nuc drives two 4TB disks fine but that's just for backups/large media
2022-02-10 15:55:10	⚡ 	MrElendig would stuff 1-2 nvme drives into a nas too for os + caching + vm usage
2022-02-10 15:55:16	TheDcoder	SysGhost: I know :(
2022-02-10 15:55:27	TheDcoder	wish we had good reputed USB hardware
2022-02-10 15:55:30	MrElendig	TheDcoder: usually only selected models, and often at inflated prices
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2022-02-10 15:55:45	MrElendig	TheDcoder: and/or 3-6 months lead time
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2022-02-10 15:56:36	MrElendig	TheDcoder: in norway the 8gb pi 4 is available trough 2 shops, which charges a 50% premium.....
2022-02-10 15:56:47	MrElendig	that is the only reason why they have them in stock :p
2022-02-10 15:56:56	jelle	8GB rpi 4 is super expensive tho
2022-02-10 15:57:03	jelle	doubht one needs 8GB ram ;-)
2022-02-10 15:57:09	SysGhost	Most cases 4 GiB does just fine.
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2022-02-10 15:57:32	TheDcoder	MrElendig: I can buy the 2GB model right now for $60 (incl. 18% tax)
2022-02-10 15:57:37	SysGhost	if one have a workload that needs more than that.. .well... rpi might be the wrong platform to begin with.
2022-02-10 15:57:38	TheDcoder	I am in India
2022-02-10 15:57:38	MrElendig	jelle: at 75usd its not that bad, but they are selling it for 150 ::p
2022-02-10 15:57:45	jelle	wow
2022-02-10 15:57:49	MrElendig	TheDcoder: 2gb is too little really
2022-02-10 15:58:06	MrElendig	TheDcoder: and the 2gb was supposed to be 30
2022-02-10 15:58:11	TheDcoder	yup, my Pi is 4 GB and I got it about a year ago
2022-02-10 15:58:26	MrElendig	then bumped to 35
2022-02-10 15:58:36	TheDcoder	MrElendig: Right, but electronics are expensive in India due to all kinds of crazy taxes
2022-02-10 15:58:37	ds	MrElendig: saw you mentioned node 304 - i sure do miss that case! smallest I could find that'd fit a full ATX PSU *and* decent (for the time) GPU
2022-02-10 15:58:45	ds	components were a right snug fit but it sure looked fancy
2022-02-10 15:58:46	SysGhost	My pi4's with 4 GiB cost... around... €35 or thereabout when I got em
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2022-02-10 15:59:00	SysGhost	or was it €45... idr
2022-02-10 15:59:09	MrElendig	2g was supposed to launch at 30, but launched at 35, then was officially bumped to 45
2022-02-10 15:59:16	MrElendig	but most charge even more for it
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2022-02-10 16:00:19	TheDcoder	You can get electronics for super cheap if you are in the US of A
2022-02-10 16:00:52	TheDcoder	too bad I didn't hit the location lottery >.<
2022-02-10 16:01:12	MrElendig	offset by going bankrupt just because you stubbed your toe
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2022-02-10 16:01:19	TheDcoder	:P
2022-02-10 16:01:29	TheDcoder	Don't many people have health insurance?
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2022-02-10 16:01:42	MrElendig	TheDcoder: even with insurance
2022-02-10 16:01:47	TheDcoder	I have a pretty good insurance policy which covers a lot of $$$ with 0 co-pay
2022-02-10 16:02:02	MrElendig	anyway, another big advantage of x86, you can install arch on it :p
2022-02-10 16:02:19	TheDcoder	MrElendig: There's Arch Linux ARM too
2022-02-10 16:02:27	TheDcoder	that's what I use
2022-02-10 16:02:29	TheDcoder	in my Pi
2022-02-10 16:02:31	MrElendig	thats not arch though
2022-02-10 16:02:37	TheDcoder	close enough
2022-02-10 16:03:08	TheDcoder	I don't actually see the need for x86 for a server
2022-02-10 16:03:12	jelle	MrElendig: what annoys me is that, is rpi already officially aaarch64?
2022-02-10 16:03:19	TheDcoder	it's nice to have but I can live without it
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2022-02-10 16:03:47	ds	jelle: the a64 image was made official a few days ago iirc, been in beta since 2020 i think
2022-02-10 16:03:49	TheDcoder	jelle: Yes, and RPi foundation released a AArch64 version of Debian recently
2022-02-10 16:04:07	jelle	welp
2022-02-10 16:04:21	MrElendig	finally
2022-02-10 16:04:26	TheDcoder	I tried the AArch64 version of ALARM... biggest mistake of my life
2022-02-10 16:04:29	jelle	lol
2022-02-10 16:04:37	MrElendig	and it basically proved all the "but rpi doesn't need 64bit" people wrong
2022-02-10 16:04:40	jelle	just running the aaarch64 fedora image, seems to work fine :) 
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2022-02-10 16:04:50	jelle	oh I haz wlan0 even
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2022-02-10 16:04:55	MrElendig	with 20-50% better performance across teh board
2022-02-10 16:05:23	TheDcoder	I hope the AArch drivers get polished soon, I can't live without WiFi
2022-02-10 16:05:25	MrElendig	and little increase in ram usage
2022-02-10 16:05:28	BrainDamage	I've been running alarm aarch64  on my pi4 since  a year,   no issues
2022-02-10 16:05:33	jelle	TheDcoder: I seem to have WiFi :)
2022-02-10 16:05:35	BrainDamage	but then I don't use the video chip
2022-02-10 16:05:38	MrElendig	TheDcoder: wifi works fine on aarch65
2022-02-10 16:05:41	MrElendig	64*
2022-02-10 16:05:42	TheDcoder	BrainDamage: Does WiFi work?
2022-02-10 16:05:48	jelle	MrElendig: it did not work in the past :)
2022-02-10 16:05:50	TheDcoder	really? It didn't work for me
2022-02-10 16:05:53	BrainDamage	yes, since more than a year at least
2022-02-10 16:06:01	BrainDamage	when I started using it
2022-02-10 16:06:02	TheDcoder	I had many issues
2022-02-10 16:06:12	◣	tbreslein (~tbreslein@134.245.66.98) ha salido (Quit: tbreslein)
2022-02-10 16:06:16	BrainDamage	bluetooth was finicky at start, then it got mainline support
2022-02-10 16:06:19	TheDcoder	and got no support, so I thought basically no one uses it :(
2022-02-10 16:06:37	◣	Volgaar (~volgaar@147.94.11.43) ha salido (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2022-02-10 16:07:00	TheDcoder	I'll stick with arm7 as long as I can
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2022-02-10 16:07:27	MrElendig	you just need the correct firmware
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2022-02-10 16:07:55	TheDcoder	MrElendig: There are multiple firmwares?
2022-02-10 16:08:24	TheDcoder	I just used whatever came with Arch Pi (that's my nick name for the ARM fork :P)
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2022-02-10 16:08:26	MrElendig	yes
2022-02-10 16:08:38	TheDcoder	MrElendig: Can you provide links? pretty please
2022-02-10 16:08:59	MrElendig	on alarm it should work out of the box now
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2022-02-10 16:09:25	TheDcoder	MrElendig: My experience was pretty recent, as in just a few weeks ago
2022-02-10 16:09:32	TheDcoder	WiFi was no go
2022-02-10 16:09:39	TheDcoder	headless setup is important for me
2022-02-10 16:10:16	BrainDamage	then you must've screwed something up, because I have it working since more than 1 year
2022-02-10 16:10:22	BrainDamage	and wifi was never an issue
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2022-02-10 16:10:43	MrElendig	distros shipping and old firmare .txt was an issue early on
2022-02-10 16:10:56	MrElendig	(didn't match the correct id)
2022-02-10 16:11:09	MrElendig	board id*
2022-02-10 16:11:18	BrainDamage	as long as you have raspberrypi-firmware it should work
2022-02-10 16:11:37	BrainDamage	and firmware-raspberrypi
2022-02-10 16:11:44	BrainDamage	because why not twice
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2022-02-10 16:12:27	TheDcoder	It's hard to screw up when the installation process is just flashing the image onto an SD card
2022-02-10 16:12:46	TheDcoder	MrElendig: I had errors with the BCM module for wireless
2022-02-10 16:12:59	TheDcoder	I don't have the exact details handy now
2022-02-10 16:13:11	TheDcoder	maybe I'll give it a go again with one of my old SD cards
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2022-02-10 16:13:23	MrElendig	poke the alarm channel about it
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2022-02-10 16:13:25	BrainDamage	when you flash the image it doesn't install everything needed for wifi, so no
2022-02-10 16:13:37	TheDcoder	MrElendig: I did but I got not solution :(
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2022-02-10 16:14:01	TheDcoder	BrainDamage: Right, I installed the packages too, but it still wasn't working
2022-02-10 16:14:16	TheDcoder	wlan0 wasn't showing up
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2022-02-10 16:21:24	weltio	lib32-tcl does not contain tclstub8.6? /bin/ld: cannot find -ltclstub8.6
2022-02-10 16:21:35	weltio	(needed for lib32-tk)
2022-02-10 16:21:47	weltio	where can I get the tclstub8.6?
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2022-02-10 16:22:44	MrElendig	maybe you need to rebuild it?
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2022-02-10 16:24:50	MrElendig	what is the actual problem though?
2022-02-10 16:25:08	weltio	MrElendig: i just want to build the lib32-tk pacakge
2022-02-10 16:25:36	MrElendig	why do you need it? (also post full build log)
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2022-02-10 16:27:39	eletrotupi	Hi! While trying to update my system, pacman got stuck accusing some packages of corrupted PGP signature, namely the ones from Daniel Bermond (mujs, libspeechd)
2022-02-10 16:27:50	weltio	MrElendig: good question - its not needed at all :D
2022-02-10 16:28:08	weltio	just an orphaned packages as it seems
2022-02-10 16:28:42	MrElendig	eletrotupi: -Sy archlinux-keyring && -Su
2022-02-10 16:29:23	eletrotupi	right
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2022-02-10 16:29:58	eletrotupi	oh, I ran -Syu directly
2022-02-10 16:30:24	eletrotupi	so it was amidst the list of packages
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2022-02-10 17:09:44	ℹ 	looah es conocido ahora como llua
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2022-02-10 17:19:36	eoli3n	what change in otf-font-awesome with v6 which changed icon size ?
2022-02-10 17:20:27	eoli3n	what in otf-font-awesome v6 change icon size ?*
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2022-02-10 17:43:01	ℹ 	tam1m_ es conocido ahora como tam1m
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2022-02-10 17:55:53	ds	Dumb question time. If I have an i7 4790K (haswell refresh / devils canyon), which drivers should I be using? Seems wiki wording updated since I installed them (so >=2yrs apparently). It's HD Graphics 4600, but not on the compat list for intel-media-driver so I guess I need the "GMA 4500" libva-intel-driver instead?
2022-02-10 17:55:55	ds	$ pacman -Qq | \grep -E "intel|mesa" | tr '\n' ' '
2022-02-10 17:55:57	ds	intel-gmmlib intel-hybrid-codec-driver intel-media-driver intel-media-sdk intel-ucode lib32-libva-intel-driver lib32-mesa lib32-vulkan-intel libva-intel-driver-hybrid mesa mesa-demos mesa-utils vulkan-intel
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2022-02-10 17:58:29	teraflops	libva-intel-driver for having vaapi
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2022-02-10 18:00:23	teraflops	you can try both anyways, just run vainfo and see what's the ouput
2022-02-10 18:00:31	ds	thanks. only just noticed the lib32 version of it too, so that can't have been playing nice with media-driver for x86_64
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2022-02-10 18:01:24	ds	huh. ran vainfo and it states i965 driver... yet in my mkinitcpio i load i915 module. boy this is a mess :D
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2022-02-10 18:05:07	teraflops	nah it's ok
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2022-02-10 18:05:25	teraflops	if vainfo does not fail you got the right version
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2022-02-10 18:05:51	bea	so i have a question: when the documentation for systemd's suspend-then-hibernate says if its not interrupted in $HibernateDelaySec, it hibernates, what does the interrupting?
2022-02-10 18:05:56	teraflops	GMA one is too old for intel HD4000
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2022-02-10 18:06:34	ds	it doesn't fail, but i do notice some videos get laggy if i have picom running. used to get a lot of random freezes too which seemed to happen a lot more with picom running
2022-02-10 18:06:46	bea	oh there's an associated service >:|
2022-02-10 18:06:58	bea	wait no
2022-02-10 18:07:53	ds	teraflops: haswell refresh was right on the border, came a few months before broadwell iirc (2014) but still using the older technology 
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2022-02-10 18:08:40	greyltc	I seem to be getting like no hits using ccache with makepkg
2022-02-10 18:08:50	teraflops	idk about picom, but I do not think libva is related to what it does
2022-02-10 18:08:51	greyltc	are there any common pitfalls that might cause that?
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2022-02-10 18:09:17	greyltc	Hits:                         1194 /  93045 (1.28 %)
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2022-02-10 18:09:47	greyltc	I've rebuilt linux-mainline from the aur a few times in a row and I'm getting no help from ccache :-/
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2022-02-10 18:09:59	ds	picom requires hardware/gpu acceleration to work well, so im assuming that's where libva comes in
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2022-02-10 18:10:26	ds	graphics drivers are a minefield i try to avoid though so my knowledge is slim in the area
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2022-02-10 18:12:54	teraflops	mesa and perhaps intel ddx but not vaapi
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2022-02-10 18:13:43	rdbeni0	hello everyone, just to confirm : detault mail format for isync (mbsync) is maildir ?
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2022-02-10 18:14:36	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-10 18:14:36	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1478 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1476 normals)
2022-02-10 18:14:36	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-10 18:16:03	blacked	Hello i've qt6-base install
2022-02-10 18:16:23	blacked	and i'm moving from bspwm to kde plasma ,i'm downloading plasma-desktop
2022-02-10 18:16:32	◥	mon_aaraj (~MonAaraj@user/mon-aaraj/x-4416475) has joined #archlinux
2022-02-10 18:16:32	blacked	It have qt5 dependencie.
2022-02-10 18:16:42	blacked	will sometingbreak or itsfine
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2022-02-10 18:17:20	Khorne	eoli3n, nothing, the font changed name because FA is stupid, it's now called 'Font Awesome 6 Free' for example
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2022-02-10 21:43:09	ds	taktaktak: google for irc bouncers, they can stay connected even after you turn the pc off. next time you login it can replay messages. its like a proxy for irc :)
2022-02-10 21:43:33	Earnestly	https://sr.ht/~emersion/soju/
2022-02-10 21:43:42	@phrik	Title: soju: A user-friendly IRC bouncer (at sr.ht)
2022-02-10 21:46:12	DeepDayze	That's nice
2022-02-10 21:46:23	DeepDayze	would be cool to see the chat you missed when you log off
2022-02-10 21:47:33	MrElendig	SysGhost: takes 7 sec to log in for me, vs gnome which is ̃800ms
2022-02-10 21:47:40	DeepDayze	Like if you asked a question and a response only came after you logged off you will miss it...unless there's something like a bouncer to keep your messages
2022-02-10 21:48:12	MrElendig	still lots of broken animations, and the new overview mode is so broken
2022-02-10 21:48:31	SysGhost	MrElendig: Before 5.24 it was kinda 5-8 seconds long process to load everything in. Desktop, widgets, menu etc. Now it's less than a fraction of a second.
2022-02-10 21:48:44	MrElendig	still 7s for me :/
2022-02-10 21:48:50	MrElendig	not using kwinft
2022-02-10 21:48:55	DeepDayze	you need  a new machine :)
2022-02-10 21:49:04	taktaktak	ds: oh that's cool i'll check it out
2022-02-10 21:49:23	MrElendig	DeepDayze: as said gnome on the same machine takes 800ms even with some rather heavy extensions
2022-02-10 21:49:45	DeepDayze	KDE is still slow
2022-02-10 21:49:59	DeepDayze	On Openbox I get my desktop in less than a second after login
2022-02-10 21:50:08	MrElendig	so does gnome
2022-02-10 21:50:14	SysGhost	But the bad news is that some obvious screen bugs are still lingering: if screens goes to sleep, secondary screen configurations (widgets, wallpaper, icons etc.) still disappears.
2022-02-10 21:50:24	DeepDayze	xfce is about just as fast as gnome
2022-02-10 21:50:41	DeepDayze	KDE does have some lag
2022-02-10 21:51:03	DeepDayze	even a minimal Plasma desktop
2022-02-10 21:51:08	SysGhost	Still have to run my ugly "FixKDEPlasmaDekstopDamnIt.sh script after each screen sleep event.
2022-02-10 21:51:15	MrElendig	SysGhost: yea the promise that they were going to fix multi-display this release was only 15% furfilled
2022-02-10 21:51:49	DeepDayze	nice name for a script @SysGhost
2022-02-10 21:52:00	MrElendig	now there is a primary monitor notion for wayland, but it doesn't seem to actually do anything :p
2022-02-10 21:52:27	SysGhost	DeepDayze: Some of my scripts are like that. Descriptive. =P
2022-02-10 21:52:41	DeepDayze	Lol must be bored :)
2022-02-10 21:52:51	dondon	hehe, "Weclome to Arch Linux, Good Luck"
2022-02-10 21:53:03	SysGhost	nah... jsut easy to remember what they're doingh
2022-02-10 21:53:06	DeepDayze	That would make a good login banner
2022-02-10 21:53:23	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-10 21:54:44	SysGhost	ooh... talking of that. Friend of mine has a sweet deep voice playing at the login screen that sounds kinda like (with a heavy depressing dark voice) "*siiigh*. AAaaanother lost soul. Enter your ... credentials...and be warned."
2022-02-10 21:55:16	◣	KaiserBolt (~KaiserBol@209.174.88.82) ha salido (Quit: leaving)
2022-02-10 21:55:25	SysGhost	I think he kinda emulated the voice of the robot from the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy
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2022-02-11 04:09:17	Nomenclatura	that 3 letter agency had a backdoor to SSL for several years
2022-02-11 04:09:41	Nomenclatura	maybe they too have one for aes
2022-02-11 04:09:44	Nomenclatura	who knows
2022-02-11 04:09:54	Ghosthree3	more concerned about hardware
2022-02-11 04:10:06	Nomenclatura	yeah
2022-02-11 04:11:02	Nomenclatura	nowadays its easier to just get some chip somewhere than to backdoor something as obvious as ssl or tls
2022-02-11 04:11:53	Nomenclatura	yet again, in security the question is "secure enough". If you run a website that sells tenis balls... who cares
2022-02-11 04:48:15	uuidNuniq	what's up
2022-02-11 04:48:19	uuidNuniq	 11:48:19 up 16:56,  3 users,  load average: 0.08, 0.12, 0.10
2022-02-11 04:53:17	e36freak	gotta put those processors to better use
2022-02-11 04:56:46	thurstylark	So, I've got a libvirt guest that I have set up to share a dir from the host using these instructions: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Libvirt#9p The share works, and the guest can see what it needs to, but I'm having trouble with symlinks. On the host I have a symlink whose target is in the same directory, and it uses a relative path. On the guest, that symlink still exists, but it now has a
2022-02-11 04:56:47	@phrik	Title: libvirt - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-11 04:56:48	thurstylark	full path as the target. Is there a way around this?
2022-02-11 04:59:23	thurstylark	the dir I want to share is a package repo, btw. the symlink in question is repo.db which points to repo.db.tar.gz
2022-02-11 05:00:05	Scimmia	honestly, I didn't even know that was possible. I thought a relative path symlink was a relative path no matter what
2022-02-11 05:01:06	kevr	thurstylark: are you using a hard link?
2022-02-11 05:01:47	thurstylark	well... the path thing might be old data from bashing my head on this issue for a while. at the moment, all I get when trying to look at the symlink on the guest side is "too many levels of symbolic links" errors
2022-02-11 05:01:53	thurstylark	kevr: nope
2022-02-11 05:13:25	rcf	Going over a network protocol would definitely present an opportunity for breakage. 
2022-02-11 05:13:48	rcf	If the software decides to be 'helpful' and attempt to fully resolve all paths. 
2022-02-11 05:14:39	aakashhemadri	thurstylark: I'
2022-02-11 05:15:05	aakashhemadri	thurstylark: I'd suggest just copying into share if its a one time share
2022-02-11 05:20:49	thurstylark	aakashhemadri: the intention is to set up the link for continual use 
2022-02-11 05:20:57	aakashhemadri	thurstylark: found this https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/239571/virtualisation-follow-symbolic-links-in-virtfs-9p-share
2022-02-11 05:20:59	@phrik	Title: qemu - Virtualisation: follow symbolic links in VirtFS (9p) share - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2022-02-11 05:21:03	aakashhemadri	might help?
2022-02-11 05:21:41	thurstylark	it's a file symlink and not a dir
2022-02-11 05:23:15	kevr	do you have guest network access from the host?
2022-02-11 05:23:24	kevr	and vice versa
2022-02-11 05:25:08	thurstylark	kevr: no, but that's not necessary for this method. Libvirt adds a virtio pci device to the guest to facilitate the connection, so I don't have to deal with TCP/IP stuff at all
2022-02-11 05:25:27	kevr	indeed, i was curious about using nfs if you can't get this resolved.
2022-02-11 05:30:47	nattiestnate	MrElendig: hi, sorry i doze off last night lol. nothing fancy, i merely tried to launch firefox in a terminal and it gave me the "can't open display :0.0" error thing. it's not just firefox, i tried launching libreoffice writer and it gave me the same error
2022-02-11 05:31:17	nattiestnate	what i've tried: exporting DISPLAY=:0 didn't work
2022-02-11 05:33:02	Ghosthree3	when a pacman hook is called does pacman pass anything as an argument?
2022-02-11 05:41:52	Betal	thurstylark: seems to be working to me, file2 symlink to file1, how do you check if the guest see a full symlink?
2022-02-11 05:42:28	Betal	full path*
2022-02-11 05:44:01	Betal	oh, I did used virtio-fs
2022-02-11 05:44:19	thurstylark	Betal: not actually able to confirm that. Everything I throw at it gives me "too many levels of symbolic links" and dies
2022-02-11 05:44:27	thurstylark	I think I found a solution, though
2022-02-11 05:44:33	Betal	thurstylark: maybe use virtio-fs?
2022-02-11 05:45:07	thurstylark	Betal: not available on the guest. Was my first stop before v9fs :P
2022-02-11 05:45:40	Betal	thurstylark: how it is not available? iam testing this in a 5.10 arch VM that I have there :P
2022-02-11 05:46:19	Betal	thurstylark: I guess you are using linux older than 5.4 in the guest
2022-02-11 05:47:34	thurstylark	Yeah, changing from mapped mode to squash looks like it makes symlinks behave better. https://bugs.launchpad.net/qemu/+bug/1785902 https://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html#filesystems
2022-02-11 05:47:35	@phrik	Title: Bug #1785902 “local/9pfs: Too many levels of symbolic links” : Bugs : QEMU (at bugs.launchpad.net)
2022-02-11 05:48:03	thurstylark	Betal: the guest is a yunohost instance, which is built on debian, so 4.19 :P
2022-02-11 05:49:44	rcf	rip
2022-02-11 05:50:33	Betal	thurstylark: I would call !notarch :P, given arch (host) can share, but the problem is in the guest :D
2022-02-11 05:50:47	Betal	trying to replicate this in arch guest
2022-02-11 05:51:38	thurstylark	too late, I already fixed it!
2022-02-11 05:51:41	rcf	Install the arch kernel on the guest! 
2022-02-11 05:51:51	thurstylark	yolo, amirite
2022-02-11 05:52:00	rcf	Now you annoy both debian support and arch support
2022-02-11 05:53:43	Betal	thurstylark: how you fixed it?
2022-02-11 05:53:54	thurstylark	them: "what distro you running?" me: "a mutt"
2022-02-11 05:54:02	thurstylark	Yeah, changing from mapped mode to squash looks like it makes symlinks behave better. https://bugs.launchpad.net/qemu/+bug/1785902 https://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html#filesystems
2022-02-11 05:54:04	@phrik	Title: Bug #1785902 “local/9pfs: Too many levels of symbolic links” : Bugs : QEMU (at bugs.launchpad.net)
2022-02-11 05:54:05	thurstylark	Betal: ^
2022-02-11 05:59:59	urawotlol	ive got an application that requires pkexec and cant use sudo but auth keeps failing https://termbin.com/if3g no idea and cant find how to config can someone give me a hand?
2022-02-11 06:02:38	rcf	>pkexec
2022-02-11 06:06:38	quequotion	anyone here use polari (GNOME irc client)?
2022-02-11 06:07:09	rcf	!anyone 
2022-02-11 06:07:10	@phrik	Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2022-02-11 06:08:05	quequotion	The package in [extra] doesn't depend on gtk4, and I built it in a clean chroot to make sure it wasn't a build dependency, but the program installed won't run without gtk4
2022-02-11 06:08:23	⚡ 	quequotion is using it now, btw
2022-02-11 06:08:59	rcf	What happens when you try? 
2022-02-11 06:10:06	quequotion	I'd have to log out, uninstall gtk4, cause the failure, reinstall, and come back to get you an exact copy-paste, but some kind of error that mentions javascript and gdk4
2022-02-11 06:12:29	rcf	If it is that straightforward, it would be worthwhile to do this and report it as a packaging bug.
2022-02-11 06:12:43	rcf	(straightforward as in that will trigger the error, of course, I know it's tedious) 
2022-02-11 06:13:16	quequotion	also, to build the package you have to import this commit from upstream: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/polari/-/commit/0f0a4b54142d8b424969f0b6ace6fc8b53b1d05d
2022-02-11 06:13:18	@phrik	Title: meson: Drop unused argument for i18n.merge_file() (0f0a4b54) · Commits · GNOME / polari · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
2022-02-11 06:13:56	rcf	That is expected unfortunately 
2022-02-11 06:14:23	⚡ 	quequotion is a bit traumataized about using FlySpray, since the last time he filed a report on someone's recommendation his account was banned for doing it against someone else's recommendation
2022-02-11 06:14:53	rcf	And people wonder why nobody wants to be the one to upgrade the toolchain.... 
2022-02-11 06:16:24	rcf	quequotion: if you're banned for this, which is the most straightforward of packaging bugs, run away from Arch as fast as you possibly can, there is no hope for hope 
2022-02-11 06:17:57	beest	you would have to be actively toxic to get banned from arch's bug tracker, the worst that would happen is that you get a speech from eli
2022-02-11 06:18:22	beest	although after hearing one of eli's diatribes you may wish you were banned
2022-02-11 06:18:31	rcf	That's... sadly not the case. 
2022-02-11 06:18:43	beest	is is that bad now?
2022-02-11 06:20:35	beest	god knows it's been a hot minute since i followed the MLs
2022-02-11 06:20:45	⚡ 	quequotion is afraid to comment other than to say he is afraid to comment.
2022-02-11 06:21:01	rcf	It is highly variable, which is something of a common issue within Arch as of late. 
2022-02-11 06:21:39	beest	that i've certainly noticed, even being insulated as i am not having a desktop arch installation for a couple of years
2022-02-11 06:26:28	Ghosthree3	is the pkgbase file found in the kernel modules directory for each kernel important in any way except to pacman?
2022-02-11 06:26:48	rcf	In any case I do find it highly irritating that peoples' experience leads them to avoid posting a simple packaging bug. 
2022-02-11 06:27:17	⚡ 	quequotion also wishes arch could have nice things.
2022-02-11 06:28:58	rcf	Ghosthree3: for completeness you might as well keep it around, assuming you're the one working on keeping old modules around until reboot 
2022-02-11 06:29:47	quequotion	well, given the sensitivity of the situation with the bug tracker, I should probably run that error by the chatroom first (make sure no one has any idea what it could be other than a packaging bug)
2022-02-11 06:29:51	quequotion	brb
2022-02-11 06:29:56	Ghosthree3	rcf: its existence is causing a problem for me rn and im wondering if i can delete it in an untracked (not owned by pacman) directory. however i may have just figured out how i may not have to
2022-02-11 06:31:26	Ghosthree3	rcf: and yes it is about that, basically ive realized an unintended flaw of copying back in the active kernel could cause initramfs builder hooks to attempt to build an image for it (however i think this particular hook just sucks, it fires on every kernel present in /lib/modules whether it was _just_ updated or not)
2022-02-11 06:32:06	quequotion	hello again
2022-02-11 06:32:22	rcf	So what is the actual error with only gtk3 and the polari package on an updated system? 
2022-02-11 06:32:28	quequotion	polari, run from terminal without gtk4 installed, outputs: 
2022-02-11 06:32:34	quequotion	https://paste.gnome.org/p9bxisvbl
2022-02-11 06:32:36	@phrik	Title: GNOME Pastebin (at paste.gnome.org)
2022-02-11 06:33:30	sheep	it sounds like it has a js dependency on gdk 4
2022-02-11 06:33:50	quequotion	FlySpray report?
2022-02-11 06:34:07	rcf	quequotion: looks like it is indeed a dependency issue, many times people rely on ldd to look for dep changes but this would slip by such checks 
2022-02-11 06:38:30	quequotion	better sumary: "[polari] missing dependency on extra/gtk4" or "[polari] runtime dependency on gdk4 (javascript)"
2022-02-11 06:40:37	rcf	The latter is a better descriptor I think. 
2022-02-11 06:41:24	quequotion	thank you
2022-02-11 06:43:35	rcf	For minimum ban potential, be sure to be thorough in describing the problem. 
2022-02-11 06:48:45	Betal	thurstylark: 9p error still happens in updated arch :/, at least 'squash' fix it
2022-02-11 06:49:28	thurstylark	huh. At least I only nead ro :P
2022-02-11 06:51:58	quequotion	filed: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73733
2022-02-11 06:51:59	@phrik	Title: FS#73733 : [polari] runtime dependency on gdk4 (javascript) (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-02-11 06:56:20	rcf	quequotion: that looks quite sensible 
2022-02-11 06:57:54	⚡ 	quequotion crosses fingers
2022-02-11 07:09:13	Ghosthree3	anyone know why booster contains hooks but dracut does not
2022-02-11 08:00:56	taktaktak	hello can someone help me with my brightness keys?
2022-02-11 08:01:00	taktaktak	i just installed arch
2022-02-11 08:01:05	taktaktak	on my laptop
2022-02-11 08:01:11	taktaktak	when i press the brightness keys nothing happens
2022-02-11 08:01:21	taktaktak	it works with xbacklight commands
2022-02-11 08:01:28	taktaktak	and the keys work (i checked them)
2022-02-11 08:01:46	squatch	sorry for the obv, have you tried holding the fn key?
2022-02-11 08:01:51	taktaktak	i did smth yesterday and they were working for a bit, but i dont remember what i did and now they're not working again
2022-02-11 08:01:54	taktaktak	squatch: yes
2022-02-11 08:02:20	taktaktak	i also tried to do bindsym for the keys on i3 config but it still doesn't work
2022-02-11 08:03:02	taktaktak	squatch: any ideas?
2022-02-11 08:03:36	squatch	work in any other DE?
2022-02-11 08:04:42	taktaktak	squatch: i haven't tried it
2022-02-11 08:04:51	taktaktak	would it be too much of a hassle to remove i3 and install a new DE?
2022-02-11 08:05:07	squatch	i mean that doesn't help you much tbh, you still need it to work in i3 lol
2022-02-11 08:05:08	taktaktak	it's a new arch install (sorry i'm new to arch)
2022-02-11 08:05:15	taktaktak	yeah to be fair :D
2022-02-11 08:07:28	squatch	got any packages installed to manage brightness?
2022-02-11 08:08:07	norbert	taktaktak: googling for "i3 brightness adjust" gives a "I'm feeling lucky" for that https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/526653/control-screen-brightness-in-i3
2022-02-11 08:08:08	@phrik	Title: Control screen brightness in i3 - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2022-02-11 08:08:26	norbert	i3 does nothing with these keys, you need to bind them to some comands, examples given in the link
2022-02-11 08:09:16	squatch	another example https://old.reddit.com/r/i3wm/comments/jk3y5m/i3_brightness_keys_not_working/gah9tro/
2022-02-11 08:09:17	@phrik	Title: i-also-reddit comments on i3 brightness keys not working (at old.reddit.com)
2022-02-11 08:09:36	taktaktak	norbert: he's having another problem, where xbacklight doesn't work for him but xrandr does
2022-02-11 08:10:02	taktaktak	norbert: xbacklight works fine from me, i can inc or dec the brightness from the command line, and i know that the keys are being registered cause i checked with xev
2022-02-11 08:11:36	norbert	taktaktak: try installing brightnessctl (pacman -S brightnessctl) and see if it works. Then bind the keys in your i3 config file
2022-02-11 08:11:55	taktaktak	squatch: i really want to stay to my solution with xbacklight because i'm sure it can work, as i said i got it working yesterday for like 5 in
2022-02-11 08:11:57	taktaktak	min*
2022-02-11 08:12:11	taktaktak	but i dont remember what i changed and what i changed back that got it not working again :D
2022-02-11 08:12:30	squatch	taktaktak: mb, sorry wish I knew more about i3, gl
2022-02-11 08:13:07	norbert	i3 config file? xmodmap? xkb?
2022-02-11 08:13:53	taktaktak	norbert: i tried with the i3 config file but it doesn't work, idk what xmodmap and xkb are
2022-02-11 08:14:13	norbert	check your bash history what you have done?
2022-02-11 08:15:10	taktaktak	how can i check it?
2022-02-11 08:17:06	taktaktak	nvm i got it, i'll look throught it now
2022-02-11 08:19:22	taktaktak	still not able to pinpoint to the solution/problem
2022-02-11 08:52:29	wyre	hi guys, I've installed xf86-input-synaptics because sometimes my touchpad keeps frozen in the system startup but ... I've lost the touchpad settings in gnome-control-center and gnome-tweaks
2022-02-11 08:52:52	wyre	why is this? should I use this input driver for the touchpad? 
2022-02-11 08:53:10	wyre	apparently libinput was working properly (aside from these random freezes)
2022-02-11 08:54:42	taktaktak	ok guys i solved the brightness problem (the problem was that i was editing the i3 config file with sudo permissions, i just needed to do it as a regular user)
2022-02-11 09:10:31	grawity	wyre: it's literally because those settings are libinput settings
2022-02-11 09:10:58	grawity	xf86-input-synaptics can also be controlled via `xinput list-props` like libinput, but has its own parameters
2022-02-11 09:11:30	grawity	make sure it's not just "freezing" because of DWT, `gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.peripherals.touchpad disable-while-typing false`
2022-02-11 09:23:11	weltio	does it make sense to switch to wayland?
2022-02-11 09:23:19	weltio	using plasma...
2022-02-11 09:23:25	jelle	wayland is the future
2022-02-11 09:23:55	weltio	jelle: yeah, but is it also the present?
2022-02-11 09:24:10	jelle	whyn ot?
2022-02-11 09:24:17	jelle	most things work now
2022-02-11 09:24:28	weltio	last time i checked it was pretty useless :D
2022-02-11 09:24:36	weltio	unstable and shit 
2022-02-11 09:25:15	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-11 09:25:59	jelle	when was this?
2022-02-11 09:26:05	weltio	some years ago :D
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2022-02-11 09:26:41	weltio	so you are telling me i should burn xorg. will do. thanks random guy on the internet
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2022-02-11 09:30:06	jelle	I never suggested that, but it seems you are not seeking for advice, have a nice day :)
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2022-02-11 09:30:11	ℹ 	vancz_ es conocido ahora como vancz
2022-02-11 09:30:36	jmariondev	wayland has gotten much better in the last year or so, definitely give it a try now
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2022-02-11 09:31:16	jmariondev	all issues I have experienced have been related to the nVidia drivers. I run an AMD GPU now and the experience is great
2022-02-11 09:31:41	jmariondev	(nouveau also works well with nvidia, but that comes with compromises)
2022-02-11 09:31:45	jelle	nvidia should be "fine" now
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2022-02-11 09:32:09	jmariondev	yeah, this was pre-490 (?)
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2022-02-11 09:40:13	weltio	is it just pacman -S wayland?
2022-02-11 09:40:33	jelle	weltio: you use plasma right?
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2022-02-11 09:40:37	weltio	jelle: yes
2022-02-11 09:40:47	jelle	weltio: then you should just be able to start plasma with wayland
2022-02-11 09:40:56	jelle	gnome already defaults to wayland
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2022-02-11 09:41:12	jelle	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE#Plasma > To enable support for Wayland in Plasma, also install the plasma-wayland-session package
2022-02-11 09:41:14	@phrik	Title: KDE - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-11 09:41:14	weltio	jelle: so i need to configure sddm?
2022-02-11 09:41:19	weltio	ah thx
2022-02-11 09:41:35	weltio	was looking at waylands article - wasnt very helpful in that regard
2022-02-11 09:41:39	jmariondev	it's easy enough to switch back and forth too if it doesn't work for you
2022-02-11 09:41:44	jelle	weltio: then in SDDM => Select Plasma (Wayland) to launch a new session in Wayland.
2022-02-11 09:41:58	SysGhost	plasma desktop have both a legacy (just plasma) and a wayland variant (plasma-wayland). Although I must say the wayland KDE plasma has a lot of issues still. Your mileage may vary.
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2022-02-11 09:49:20	weltio	what is a proper way to use uefi boot with removable devices? from my understanding there would be the need to adapt the nvram on each system that needs to boot the removable device, am i correct? with mbr one could just say "boot the disk" and everhting was read from the removable device
2022-02-11 09:50:04	grawity	the specification says that the firmware should search for *any* partition compatible with the EFI File System (i.e. FAT) and look for a loader file named \EFI\BOOT\BOOTX64.EFI in it
2022-02-11 09:50:17	grawity	(name depends on architecture, BOOTIA64.EFI, BOOTetc)
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2022-02-11 09:50:30	grawity	in fact most firmwares do this even for *internal* disks, if no NVRAM entries work
2022-02-11 09:50:45	SysGhost	weltio: UEFI have a "fall back" boot method where it looks at a default path to load up a payload. That one do not need any entry in the nvram area.
2022-02-11 09:50:45	weltio	ah so it should work ootb
2022-02-11 09:52:25	SysGhost	that's the idea when a system has nothing configured. It looks at that default path when everything else fails, or if the user has specified a device to boot on (when one select a device in a boot menu presented by the UEFI)
2022-02-11 09:53:53	SysGhost	grub for instance uses this default path when it "installs" with the --removable option set.
2022-02-11 09:54:15	grawity	this usually allows you to just move the internal rootfs disk from one motherboard to another, and have it boot
2022-02-11 09:54:28	weltio	thanks
2022-02-11 09:54:35	grawity	(and e.g. Windows has self-healing that'll automatically add missing NVRAM entries once booted)
2022-02-11 09:55:06	SysGhost	heh.. yeah... That "self-healing" can sometimes mess upp other preexisting entries.
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2022-02-11 09:55:32	grawity	don't think i've seen that yet
2022-02-11 09:56:37	SysGhost	Not entirely sure how it works, or what layer to blame. But I had that on one of my laptops with Windows 7 on it. every time windows booted up, it went in and erased the all the nvram entries and put itself as the lone option.
2022-02-11 09:56:44	ℹ 	marius2 es conocido ahora como marius_m
2022-02-11 09:56:45	Khorne	Certainly less bad on UEFI than the historic 'the mbr is mine and mine alone' it used to do
2022-02-11 09:57:09	SysGhost	...but that was on a "handicapped UEFI firmware that coubldn't boot on anything but \EFI\BOOT\BOOTX64.EFI 
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2022-02-11 10:01:51	SysGhost	I guess it has been foxed since those days.
2022-02-11 10:01:54	SysGhost	fixed*
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2022-02-11 10:15:10	weltio	mhm - ld.lld: error: unable to find library -lsystemd - but its clearly in the -L path (/usr/lib/libsystemd.so)
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2022-02-11 10:16:43	weltio	ah..
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2022-02-11 10:36:20	dondon	good morning internet
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2022-02-11 10:43:48	Iamthehuman1	Good morning dondon
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2022-02-11 10:50:16	Nixola	is there a reason why pacman deletes the kernel modules as soon as the kernel's upgraded, instead of deleting them on shutdown / restart or something like that?
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2022-02-11 10:50:38	Nixola	updating the kernel and then not being able to load most kernel modules without an immediate restart is mildly annoying
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2022-02-11 10:53:05	mongy	kernel-modules-hook
2022-02-11 10:53:10	setpill	Debugging laptop suspend stuff... How can I check what kind of state `systemctl suspend` triggers? I want to make sure it triggers true S3, I suspect it's not. 
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2022-02-11 10:55:37	Nixola	huh, neat
2022-02-11 10:55:40	Nixola	thanks mongy 
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2022-02-11 10:58:42	Foxboron	Nixola: because nobody has proposed anything else.
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2022-02-11 10:58:51	Foxboron	but this isn't a pacman thing, it's a package thing
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2022-02-11 11:06:43	mongy	!as
2022-02-11 11:06:43	@phrik	Arch Sucks™
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2022-02-11 11:10:28	ℹ 	kuba-orlik3 es conocido ahora como kuba-orlik
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2022-02-11 11:12:50	weltio	Nixola: ack
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2022-02-11 11:14:01	Nixola	weltio: ack?
2022-02-11 11:14:19	weltio	you are right that it is annoying...
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2022-02-11 11:17:59	weltio	i have an overlayfs which is missing files of the lower dir in the merged dir - how does that happen?
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2022-02-11 11:18:04	weltio	how can i fix that?
2022-02-11 11:18:53	weltio	wait a moment
2022-02-11 11:18:56	weltio	someone deleted it...
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2022-02-11 11:19:30	weltio	how can i undelete it for the merged dir?
2022-02-11 11:19:45	weltio	removing the file in the upper dir does not work
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2022-02-11 11:44:06	aminvakil	anyone else seen this problem since yesterday: stack: /usr/lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.34' not found (required by stack)
2022-02-11 11:44:30	aminvakil	i have seen this packaging hadolint-git package here (https://github.com/aminvakil/aur/runs/5150541479?check_suite_focus=true#step:11:599)
2022-02-11 11:44:48	aminvakil	and this hasn't happened yesterday https://github.com/aminvakil/aur/actions/runs/1821441114
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2022-02-11 11:47:21	aminvakil	stack 2.7.3-140 was installed yesterday which was fine, today 2.7.3-141 was installed, and changelog says it's because of "rebuild with attoparsec 0.14.4"
2022-02-11 11:47:57	aminvakil	so i compared and 0.14.3-6 has been bumped to 0.14.4-1 in the buggy build
2022-02-11 11:48:01	jelle	aminvakil: it was most likely rebuild with the new toolchain
2022-02-11 11:48:33	aminvakil	jelle: where do you suggest i should open a bug report? should i?
2022-02-11 11:48:49	jelle	aminvakil: check if there is already one open
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2022-02-11 11:51:06	aminvakil	jelle: i thought they have been changed only in testing repository
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2022-02-11 11:51:37	jelle	aminvakil: and updates can go through testing
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2022-02-11 11:52:22	aminvakil	this ci build does not, it uses stable repositories
2022-02-11 11:52:52	jelle	aminvakil: that's not what I said :)
2022-02-11 11:52:54	aminvakil	unless something has been changed in latest archlinux docker
2022-02-11 11:52:59	jelle	no
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2022-02-11 11:53:34	jelle	aminvakil: the haskell package moved from [testing] to [community] most likely
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2022-02-11 11:57:54	aminvakil	jelle: i think i got you, so just to make sure here is the diff of packages installed in failed and ok builds: http://ix.io/3Pi9
2022-02-11 11:58:07	aminvakil	and i checked and there hasn't been a bug report on https://bugs.archlinux.org/?project=5&string=stack
2022-02-11 11:58:08	@phrik	Title: Arch Linux Bugtracker:: Community Packages: Tasklist (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-02-11 11:58:14	aminvakil	i should open a bug report here?
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2022-02-11 11:59:07	jelle	sure
2022-02-11 11:59:15	jelle	well install stack, check if it's broken
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2022-02-11 11:59:25	aminvakil	jelle: thanks!
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2022-02-11 12:01:05	aminvakil	yes, i just installed and stack and it fails with the same error (stack: /usr/lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.34' not found (required by stack)), i will open a criticial bug report
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2022-02-11 12:06:33	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1486 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1484 normals)
2022-02-11 12:04:18	aminvakil	jelle: and it's (https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73736) done, thank you for helping me understanding the issue!
2022-02-11 12:05:02	jelle	ah it was known https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73730
2022-02-11 12:05:03	@phrik	Title: FS#73730 : dhall: /usr/lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.34' not found (required by dhall) (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-02-11 12:05:04	jelle	:)
2022-02-11 12:06:33	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-11 16:11:16	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1495 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1493 normals)
2022-02-11 14:34:24	daniel2702	Namarrgon: found this during boot:
2022-02-11 14:34:25	daniel2702	Feb 11 12:54:45 danielthinkpad kernel: i801_smbus 0000:00:1f.4: Transaction timeout
2022-02-11 14:34:25	daniel2702	Feb 11 12:54:45 danielthinkpad kernel: i801_smbus 0000:00:1f.4: Failed terminating the transaction
2022-02-11 14:34:26	daniel2702	Feb 11 12:54:45 danielthinkpad kernel: i801_smbus 0000:00:1f.4: SMBus is busy, can't use it!
2022-02-11 14:34:26	daniel2702	maybe related?
2022-02-11 14:35:18	Namarrgon	smbus is the wrong kind of bus but perhaps it's part of the failure, can you post the whole kernel log?
2022-02-11 14:36:02	daniel2702	the whole journalctl from boot is huge. can i limit it to something?
2022-02-11 14:36:16	Namarrgon	just the -kb output
2022-02-11 14:37:05	Namarrgon	"bus error" is the only output you get from "pacman"?
2022-02-11 14:37:19	Namarrgon	even with --debug?
2022-02-11 14:37:22	daniel2702	Yes, sometimes it is follow by "core dumped"
2022-02-11 14:39:04	daniel2702	Namarrgon: http://ix.io/3PiP
2022-02-11 14:39:29	daniel2702	Namarrgon: Yes, even with --debug
2022-02-11 14:42:26	Namarrgon	are you using any of the testing repos?
2022-02-11 14:42:40	daniel2702	Namarrgon: dont think so
2022-02-11 14:44:02	daniel2702	okay, pacman-static is giving no bus error! Any idea what to try reinstall to fix the system state?
2022-02-11 14:45:02	jelle	what "bus error"?
2022-02-11 14:45:27	Namarrgon	did you replace any official packages?
2022-02-11 14:46:07	daniel2702	jelle: no idea, posted logs above. pacman is just giving "Bus error"
2022-02-11 14:46:17	daniel2702	Namarrgon: Not as far as I remember
2022-02-11 14:46:34	Namarrgon	post your pacman.conf and -Qm
2022-02-11 14:46:41	Namarrgon	if this was a general problem we would have heard more complaints by now
2022-02-11 14:46:58	Namarrgon	see if coredumpctl kept a coredump for it
2022-02-11 14:49:17	GreyXor	Hello, I wonder if this problem is related of arch or systemd? https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73208
2022-02-11 14:49:18	@phrik	Title: FS#73208 : Systemd-homed fails with systemd-250 (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-02-11 14:49:32	daniel2702	Namarrgon:/etc/pacman.conf http://ix.io/3PiU
2022-02-11 14:49:33	daniel2702	pacman-static -Qm http://ix.io/3PiV
2022-02-11 14:49:39	Vamp898	I had to reconnect, in case someone replied to my PulseAudio LDAC issue
2022-02-11 14:49:40	GreyXor	If anyone has an idea? I would love to help to solve this
2022-02-11 14:50:08	daniel2702	Namarrgon: Fri 2022-02-11 14:48:04 CET    37982 1000 1000 SIGBUS  present      /usr/bin/pacman
2022-02-11 14:50:19	jelle	GreyXor: you already asked in #systemd
2022-02-11 14:51:04	GreyXor	@jelle i first ask in systemd, and so what ? it's forbidden to ask in both community, i said that i don't know if it's related to arch or to systemd
2022-02-11 14:51:31	Namarrgon	daniel2702: can you post the stacktrace?
2022-02-11 14:51:33	jelle	GreyXor: it's common courtesy to ask in one channel
2022-02-11 14:51:42	daniel2702	Namarrgon: how?
2022-02-11 14:52:09	TheDcoder	Not sure why efifs contains binaries for ALL architectures, isn't it a good idea to split them up into arch-specific packages?
2022-02-11 14:52:15	GreyXor	jelle sorry I want to be polite. i just don't know if it's related to arch or systemd. i will gently wait for an answer thanks
2022-02-11 14:52:28	Namarrgon	daniel2702: "coredumpctl debug <PID>" and in gdb "thread apply all bt"
2022-02-11 14:52:28	TheDcoder	not like Arch supports anything except x86_64 anyway
2022-02-11 14:52:55	Foxboron	TheDcoder: we don't split packages
2022-02-11 14:53:22	TheDcoder	Foxboron: Pretty sure there are some... or is that just my imagination?
2022-02-11 14:53:36	Foxboron	TheDcoder: You are correct, those are the exception
2022-02-11 14:53:59	TheDcoder	Foxboron: Anyway, it really isn't a "split". We could easily just not compile the other arches
2022-02-11 14:54:12	Foxboron	Why wouldn't we have them available?
2022-02-11 14:54:22	daniel2702	Namarrgon: failed to invoke gdb: no such file or directory. But coredumpctl output is here: http://ix.io/3PiY
2022-02-11 14:54:22	TheDcoder	because we don't support them :D
2022-02-11 14:54:37	nl6720	TheDcoder: the ia32 binaries could be useful for mixed mode booting (i.e. x86_64 kernel on IA32 UEFI). others are probably not useful for Arch
2022-02-11 14:54:39	Foxboron	TheDcoder: People boot VMs on several architectures. I don't see an issue
2022-02-11 14:54:47	Foxboron	We are arguing about a 10 MB package
2022-02-11 14:54:54	Namarrgon	daniel2702: did you replace "<PID>" with pacman's PID?
2022-02-11 14:54:56	Foxboron	I'm not going to bother to do anything
2022-02-11 14:55:03	TheDcoder	Foxboron: Not with Arch though
2022-02-11 14:55:16	TheDcoder	nl6720: I see
2022-02-11 14:55:25	daniel2702	Namarrgon with the pid I found in the coredumpctl list
2022-02-11 14:55:40	TheDcoder	Foxboron: Not trying to argue, just putting forth my opinion :)
2022-02-11 14:55:45	Namarrgon	daniel2702: without the "<>"?
2022-02-11 14:56:19	Foxboron	I need to workon the package to pin sources...
2022-02-11 14:57:22	daniel2702	Namarrgon: installed gdb with pacman-static. Here is the full stacktrace with gdb: http://ix.io/3Pj0
2022-02-11 14:57:50	daniel2702	Namarrgon: gdb was missing
2022-02-11 15:03:08	daniel2702	Namarrgon: would it make sense to downgrade the kernel? Or reinstall base or something like that? Would be happy to make the system work again
2022-02-11 15:03:29	Namarrgon	do you have coredumps for libvirtd as well?
2022-02-11 15:03:31	daniel2702	Or can you see any specific pkg that is responsible for the failure here?
2022-02-11 15:04:16	Namarrgon	post the -Qkk output
2022-02-11 15:04:30	daniel2702	all libvirtd dumps are listed as inaccessible
2022-02-11 15:04:58	Namarrgon	but coredumpctl also lists sig7 for them?
2022-02-11 15:05:12	Namarrgon	"Signal: 7 (BUS)"?
2022-02-11 15:06:10	daniel2702	Yes, SIGBUS
2022-02-11 15:09:38	daniel2702	Namarrgon -Qkk is here: http://ix.io/3Pj8
2022-02-11 15:13:42	Namarrgon	some of the output is missing for some reason
2022-02-11 15:13:58	Namarrgon	"libarchive: 66 total files, 1 altered file" but it doesn't list which file and how it's altered
2022-02-11 15:14:35	daniel2702	it did print some parts on cli, some to the file. just redirected stdout
2022-02-11 15:16:11	Namarrgon	!ix
2022-02-11 15:16:12	@phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-02-11 15:16:13	TheDcoder	what's the command for changing a partition's type GUID in gdisk?
2022-02-11 15:16:40	SysGhost	try 2>&1 to redirect stderr to stdout as well
2022-02-11 15:17:25	kulak	my favorite is sgdisk now, example: sgdisk -n1:1M:+${INST_PARTSIZE_ESP}G -t1:EF00 $disk
2022-02-11 15:17:58	kulak	`sgdisk -L ` is for partition types
2022-02-11 15:18:01	TheDcoder	kulak: Is that the cli version of gdisk?
2022-02-11 15:18:09	kulak	I think so
2022-02-11 15:18:19	kulak	more like command line
2022-02-11 15:18:38	kulak	the advantage is that I can write down command used to partition
2022-02-11 15:19:09	kulak	list partitions: sgdisk -p $disk
2022-02-11 15:19:11	nl6720	TheDcoder: it's the "t" command
2022-02-11 15:19:18	kulak	list disks: lsblk -f
2022-02-11 15:19:23	TheDcoder	kulak: thanks, I also discovered cgdisk thanks to your insight, and it's more usable :)
2022-02-11 15:19:43	TheDcoder	nl6720: Thanks! Not sure how I missed it, maybe the description wasn't clear
2022-02-11 15:19:46	SysGhost	sgdisk is a variation on gdisk to accept commands from various sources such as stdin. I guess the s in sgdisk is "scripted gdisk"
2022-02-11 15:20:03	TheDcoder	SysGhost: nice
2022-02-11 15:21:03	kulak	here is how I created boot drive with EFI and ext4:   sgdisk --clear \
2022-02-11 15:21:03	kulak	    --new=1:0:+550MiB --typecode=1:ef00 --change-name=1:EFI \
2022-02-11 15:21:03	kulak	    --new=2:0:+465Gib --typecode=2:8300 --change-name=2:system \
2022-02-11 15:21:03	kulak	    $DRIVE
2022-02-11 15:21:30	kulak	that includes label; creates 2 partitions
2022-02-11 15:21:36	nl6720	does it actually accept "Gib"?
2022-02-11 15:21:48	kulak	yes, Gib was listed in documentation
2022-02-11 15:21:57	nl6720	not "GiB"?
2022-02-11 15:22:10	kulak	--new=3:0:0 will take the remaining space
2022-02-11 15:22:16	kulak	for 3rd partition
2022-02-11 15:22:54	kulak	hmm, check documentation.  I am not sure it is case sensitive
2022-02-11 15:23:03	TheDcoder	nl6720: I guess it's case insensitive
2022-02-11 15:23:14	nl6720	yeah, possibly
2022-02-11 15:23:17	kulak	it sure takes G, because I listed above the other form and it worked as well.
2022-02-11 15:24:53	kulak	a full complicated example of usage can be found on ZFS installation guide: https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Arch%20Linux/Root%20on%20ZFS/2-system-installation.html
2022-02-11 15:24:54	@phrik	Title: System Installation — OpenZFS documentation (at openzfs.github.io)
2022-02-11 15:24:58	daniel2702	the ix commend was returning no url, the stderr redirect is still printing warnings on screen instead of to file. I'll append it to the textfile when it went through and upload it
2022-02-11 15:26:32	nl6720	kulak: the "All content will be irrevocably destroyed" could be made more noticeable
2022-02-11 15:27:04	kulak	nl6720, well, in all partition tools that's pretty much the case.
2022-02-11 15:27:26	nl6720	mostly true
2022-02-11 15:29:46	daniel2702	Namarrgon: what can I reinstall to make it hopefully work again?
2022-02-11 15:29:56	kulak	the reason I find sgdisk useful, because I can write down the command used instead of describing in my words what I did.  I also recommend technique used in the begining of OpenZFS guide.  That's to make life easier:  when booting from ISO and installing system I issue passwd, set root passwd, then start sshd with `systemctl start sshd` then check my `ip addr` and continue with installation from
2022-02-11 15:29:56	kulak	another computer using ssh client session.
2022-02-11 15:31:24	nl6720	kulak: the live environment starts sshd.service by default, no need to start it manually
2022-02-11 15:32:14	nl6720	you can also use https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_via_SSH#Installation_on_a_headless_server to avoid setting a password and use sshd keys instead
2022-02-11 15:32:15	@phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux via SSH - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-11 15:32:20	nl6720	*ssh
2022-02-11 15:32:26	kulak	hmm, I did not know that
2022-02-11 15:33:14	daniel2702	I'll try a kernel downgrade and reboot
2022-02-11 15:35:06	daniel2702	argh, cannot: ==> Creating zstd-compressed initcpio image: /boot/initramfs-linux-lts-fallback.img
2022-02-11 15:35:06	daniel2702	==> ERROR: Image generation FAILED: bsdtar (step 1) reported an error
2022-02-11 15:41:12	SysGhost	oh?... the arch ISO now starts sshd by default? Was such long time ago I last used the arch ISO image. Always used my own custom.
2022-02-11 15:44:28	nl6720	it's been a year already https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/archiso/-/commit/833cbd5e72e6998ec266311abc9e48c16a6e9cb2
2022-02-11 15:44:29	@phrik	Title: enable SSH server in releng profile (833cbd5e) · Commits · Arch Linux / archiso · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2022-02-11 16:00:11	grazzolini	SysGhost: all you need to do is set the root password and you can login
2022-02-11 16:01:23	SysGhost	neat. Although I will still use my custom ISO. I prefer to have it completely and HIDless boot the iso and the I can ssh with preset credentials.
2022-02-11 16:01:43	HA012	Hi there. Is anyone also having problems while running pandoc? pandoc 2.14.2-33 seems to require version 2.34 of glibc, which is not in official repos
2022-02-11 16:01:58	HA012	in the official*
2022-02-11 16:02:25	Scimmia	HA012: yeah, known issue
2022-02-11 16:03:54	HA012	Scimmia: Thanks. It is good to know it is now a local issue. 
2022-02-11 16:03:59	HA012	not*
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2022-02-11 16:13:48	fiveop	Current pandoc is compiled against a newer version of glibc (2.34) than is currently available (2.33), so pandoc is sort of the opposite of outdated. Should I report this as a bug? (I am asking, because the bug tracker makes it very clear that outdated packages should not be reported as bugs, and this being the polar opposite, lets me be unsure.)
2022-02-11 16:14:08	Scimmia	it's already been reported
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2022-02-11 16:14:39	Fulgen	does that mean glibc is outdated? =p
2022-02-11 16:14:59	Fulgen	(or that every single Arch package except pandoc is outdated?)
2022-02-11 16:15:00	TheDcoder	Fulgen: No, the packager just has a more up to date version installed unofficially
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2022-02-11 16:15:12	Fulgen	TheDcoder: yea, I know, I'm just dwelling on semantics
2022-02-11 16:15:24	TheDcoder	Fulgen: Officially it's a package bug
2022-02-11 16:15:36	TheDcoder	It should always link against what's available in the repo
2022-02-11 16:16:02	Fulgen	wasn't there a forum thread about "glibc is old, why that" with a reply somewhere, hm
2022-02-11 16:16:18	TheDcoder	Fulgen: Phoronix published an article about it recently
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2022-02-11 16:16:38	TheDcoder	as far as I understand it, there isn't enough man-power
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2022-02-11 16:16:53	Fulgen	ah, ty
2022-02-11 16:17:03	TheDcoder	I wonder if Manjaro or other Arch-based distros have a more up to date glibc
2022-02-11 16:17:11	lambdanon	Hey there, I'm trying to switch back from XFCE to MATE, but MATE appears to be crashing upon login
2022-02-11 16:17:21	jelle	TheDcoder: Fulgen an updated toolchain is in [testing]
2022-02-11 16:17:29	lambdanon	gonna run a quick journalctl -xe and bpa.st it
2022-02-11 16:18:09	TheDcoder	jelle: Yup, and I assume all packages in [testing] link against it :0
2022-02-11 16:18:12	TheDcoder	*:)
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2022-02-11 16:20:50	fiveop	Scimmia: thanks (Where do I have to check next time, so I don't try to report it again?)
2022-02-11 16:21:14	TheDcoder	fiveop: Did you check the bug tracker?
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2022-02-11 16:22:52	lambdanon	This is the bpa.st of when I try to launch MATE: https://bpa.st/OFQA
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2022-02-11 16:22:54	@phrik	Title: View paste OFQA (at bpa.st)
2022-02-11 16:23:16	lambdanon	It seems like rtkit-daemon is supervising a crashing pthread?
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2022-02-11 16:24:38	fiveop	TheDcoder: I thought so. I clicked on the 'Bug Reports' link on the pandoc package page and separatly searched for 'pandoc' in the search bar on the bug tracker page.
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2022-02-11 16:31:41	TheDcoder	fiveop: Right, it's probably reported somewhere else
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2022-02-12 11:57:22	dmc	!define sylidrical
2022-02-12 11:57:24	@phrik	dmc: No definition for "sylidrical" could be found in english
2022-02-12 11:57:57	MrElendig	cylindrical
2022-02-12 12:15:00	Icewing	Is there someone with experience of building less supported gap packages under arch? If I install gap via pacman, I don't have a sysinfo.gap file, but apparently it is needed to build gap packages.
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2022-02-12 12:21:26	Earnestly	Indeed, Arch doesn't package sysinfo.gap anywhere
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2022-02-12 12:31:36	Icewing	Ok, the easiest solution would probably be to build gap myself as well
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2022-02-12 12:34:35	Earnestly	For the time being yeah, you may also want to make an issue about it too
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2022-02-12 12:43:36	TheDcoder	Hi, I need help with sd-boot, I can't get it to work with my Arch Linux ext4 partition
2022-02-12 12:43:55	MrElendig	it doesn't care what your / is
2022-02-12 12:44:06	MrElendig	what is the actual problem?
2022-02-12 12:44:12	TheDcoder	I have set the partition type correctly and also copied the ext2_x64.efi driver to EFI/systemd/drivers
2022-02-12 12:44:31	MrElendig	lsblk -f -oparttypename
2022-02-12 12:44:40	MrElendig	o+parttypename
2022-02-12 12:44:52	TheDcoder	MrElendig: Yes, but it can identify partitions with XBOOTLDR
2022-02-12 12:45:35	TheDcoder	MrElendig: Hmmm... lsblk still shows Linux filesystem :-/
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2022-02-12 12:46:53	TheDcoder	MrElendig: I checked with gdisk, it correctly shows the part type as "XBOOTLDR partition"
2022-02-12 12:47:27	TheDcoder	The actual problem is that the bootloader menu doesn't show my custom entires, only the default "Reboot to Firmware" entry
2022-02-12 12:47:41	TheDcoder	I assume it is because it cannot find the boot images
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2022-02-12 12:48:37	TheDcoder	https://bpa.st/5ABA
2022-02-12 12:48:38	@phrik	Title: View paste 5ABA (at bpa.st)
2022-02-12 12:49:17	TheDcoder	do I have to prepend /boot to the paths? I think the documentation mentioned that the default path to check is inside /boot
2022-02-12 12:49:21	nl6720	TheDcoder: if you're using / as a XBOOTLDR partition then the it should be in /loader/entries/arch.conf
2022-02-12 12:49:45	nl6720	TheDcoder: yes, the path is from the XBOOTLDR partition root
2022-02-12 12:50:26	TheDcoder	nl6720: I see, but what's the bootctl --boot-path option about then?
2022-02-12 12:50:58	nl6720	I thing it should be --boot-path=/ 
2022-02-12 12:51:50	nl6720	TheDcoder: also make sure the partition type is correct. post the `lsblk -f -o+parttypename` MrElendig asked for
2022-02-12 12:52:00	TheDcoder	I actually didn't specify it in bootctl install
2022-02-12 12:52:05	TheDcoder	left everything default
2022-02-12 12:52:35	TheDcoder	nl6720: lsblk is not showing the correct type but gdisk is showing it... not sure which one to believe
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2022-02-12 12:53:24	nl6720	hmm, did you just change it?
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2022-02-12 12:54:04	MrElendig	can parttype instead of parttypename in case its just the name/type mapping that is wrong
2022-02-12 12:54:16	TheDcoder	nl6720: No, I changed it yesterday and also rebooted
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2022-02-12 12:55:52	TheDcoder	MrElendig: It doesn't show the type with parttype
2022-02-12 12:56:01	TheDcoder	lsblk -f -o+parttype
2022-02-12 12:56:23	MrElendig	TheDcoder: it should print the guid
2022-02-12 12:56:39	TheDcoder	It worked after I removed the '+'
2022-02-12 12:56:42	TheDcoder	bc13c2ff-59e6-4262-a352-b275fd6f7172
2022-02-12 12:56:51	MrElendig	+ means that it will add it after the other output
2022-02-12 12:56:53	MrElendig	works for me
2022-02-12 12:57:10	TheDcoder	Oh right, nvm
2022-02-12 12:57:16	TheDcoder	Just didn't pay enough attention
2022-02-12 12:57:20	TheDcoder	It's in the output
2022-02-12 12:57:24	TheDcoder	GUID: bc13c2ff-59e6-4262-a352-b275fd6f7172
2022-02-12 12:58:03	MrElendig	that is a standard /boot
2022-02-12 12:58:48	MrElendig	did you read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/systemd-boot#Installation_using_XBOOTLDR ?
2022-02-12 12:58:49	@phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-12 12:59:10	MrElendig	and you should not use / for this
2022-02-12 12:59:22	nl6720	MrElendig: they want to use the root partition as the XBOOTLDR partition
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2022-02-12 12:59:29	nl6720	it should theoretically be possible
2022-02-12 12:59:53	MrElendig	"systemd-boot does not do a file system check like it does for the ESP. Hence, it is possible to use any file system that your UEFI implementation can read."
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2022-02-12 13:00:02	MrElendig	(may change "soon")
2022-02-12 13:01:10	nl6720	MrElendig: systemd-boot loads drivers from  EFI/systemd/drivers on the ESP, so the XBOOTLDR partition can be any file system as long as the UEFI driver for it is loaded
2022-02-12 13:01:19	MrElendig	note that currently your uefi implementation MUST support the fs
2022-02-12 13:01:28	MrElendig	most don't support things like ext4
2022-02-12 13:01:44	nl6720	TheDcoder: your ESP is mounted to /efi, right?
2022-02-12 13:01:51	MrElendig	most does fat/ntfs only or similar
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2022-02-12 13:02:42	TheDcoder	MrElendig: If I understand correctly, newer versions of sb-boot can load EFI drivers to add support for new FS
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2022-02-12 13:03:02	nl6720	https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/15617
2022-02-12 13:03:09	TheDcoder	The drivers are available in efifs package, and I have copied the correct driver to the correct location
2022-02-12 13:03:21	TheDcoder	nl6720: Yes
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2022-02-12 13:03:39	nl6720	TheDcoder: then you copied the driver to /efi/EFI/systemd/drivers/ ?
2022-02-12 13:03:48	TheDcoder	nl6720: Does it matter though? The bootloader doesn't need to know this right?
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2022-02-12 13:04:21	TheDcoder	nl6720: Oh, oops
2022-02-12 13:04:28	nl6720	I'm just making sure you have the driver in the ESP
2022-02-12 13:04:41	TheDcoder	I have it in /efi/systemd/drivers
2022-02-12 13:04:45	TheDcoder	oops :)
2022-02-12 13:05:10	nl6720	it needs to be in EFI/systemd/drivers/ on the ESP, i.e. /esp-mountpoint/EFI/systemd/drivers/
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2022-02-12 13:06:09	nl6720	also make sure your boot entries are in /loader/entries/ (that's the absolute path in your case)
2022-02-12 13:06:14	TheDcoder	nl6720: Got it, I mistook "EFI" as the placeholder for the mount point
2022-02-12 13:06:23	TheDcoder	moved it to the correct location
2022-02-12 13:06:26	nl6720	nope. it's a special dir
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2022-02-12 13:07:32	TheDcoder	nl6720: but bootctl installed the default loader to /efi/loader/loader.conf
2022-02-12 13:07:49	nl6720	TheDcoder: doesn't matter. move it
2022-02-12 13:08:12	nl6720	the boot entries can only refer to files on the same file system
2022-02-12 13:08:41	nl6720	your kernel and initramfs are on the XBOOTLDR partition not ESP, so the boot entries need to be in on the XBOOTLDR partition too
2022-02-12 13:08:51	TheDcoder	nl6720: I see... but doesn't the loader read from the EFI partition?
2022-02-12 13:08:51	nl6720	-in
2022-02-12 13:09:23	nl6720	TheDcoder: systemd-boot loads the drivers, then searches for boot entries in the first XBOOTLDR partition on the disk
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2022-02-12 13:09:34	TheDcoder	Oh...
2022-02-12 13:09:42	TheDcoder	I got it, thanks!
2022-02-12 13:09:46	nl6720	at least, that's what I understand
2022-02-12 13:09:55	nl6720	I've never tried these things
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2022-02-12 13:09:56	TheDcoder	That does make sense
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2022-02-12 13:10:02	TheDcoder	I will try that
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2022-02-12 13:10:26	nl6720	TheDcoder: remember to fix the linux and initrd paths in arch.conf
2022-02-12 13:10:41	TheDcoder	thanks, already fixed
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2022-02-12 13:13:16	TheDcoder	nl6720: According to the wiki the loader can be in both partitions, but you can't cross reference files in another partition (which makes sense)
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2022-02-12 13:14:04	nl6720	yes, the boot entries in ESP can refer to files on the ESP and boot entries on XBOOTLDR partition can refer to files on the XBOOTLDR partition
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2022-02-12 13:15:32	nl6720	unlike with rEFInd, there's no specifier for the volume on which the files reside
2022-02-12 13:16:27	nl6720	hmm, this could be worth a feature request
2022-02-12 13:17:09	TheDcoder	yeah
2022-02-12 13:17:19	TheDcoder	nl6720: Do you use rEFInd?
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2022-02-12 13:17:27	nl6720	yep
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2022-02-12 13:17:32	TheDcoder	is it fast and easy to use?
2022-02-12 13:17:46	TheDcoder	I mean easy to configure
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2022-02-12 13:18:06	TheDcoder	I used it many years ago and I recall that it was excellent at auto-detection
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2022-02-12 13:18:19	TheDcoder	but I never tried configuring it manually
2022-02-12 13:18:25	nl6720	it's easy for me. I can't really comment about fast, but the git version has a nice feature that makes it quiet
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2022-02-12 13:19:32	TheDcoder	Thanks... I don't really like how sd-boot is configured, so I am considering an alternative
2022-02-12 13:19:48	nl6720	TheDcoder: I like this change https://sourceforge.net/p/refind/code/ci/a7bc55108425f5fa716ef2e2d345620c88af0710/
2022-02-12 13:19:51	@phrik	Title: rEFInd / Code / Commit [a7bc55] (at sourceforge.net)
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2022-02-12 13:20:27	nl6720	basically, with timeout = -1, it doesn't interrupt the vendor's boot splash
2022-02-12 13:20:28	TheDcoder	That's cool! Now you can have slightly more faster boot :)
2022-02-12 13:20:50	TheDcoder	Oh, I see, I can finally have a Arch Linux splash screen :P
2022-02-12 13:21:19	nl6720	TheDcoder: nope, for that you need a unified kernel image
2022-02-12 13:21:20	TheDcoder	or is that the motherboard vendor's splash?
2022-02-12 13:21:38	nl6720	yes motherboard vendor's splash, the one you see before the boot loader
2022-02-12 13:21:51	TheDcoder	Uhhh... okay
2022-02-12 13:22:10	TheDcoder	understood
2022-02-12 13:22:11	nl6720	some firmwares allow customizing it
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2022-02-12 13:22:37	TheDcoder	cool, but mine doesn't
2022-02-12 13:23:23	nl6720	console yourself with the fact that all firmware are crap. some more, some slightly less
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2022-02-12 13:26:56	TheDcoder	indeed, my firmware is pretty configurable and also comes with GUI mouse and keyboard support
2022-02-12 13:27:01	TheDcoder	thanks ASUS
2022-02-12 13:28:47	TheDcoder	maybe I should just mess with GRUB, I find it a bit tiring to read through all of this documentation -.-
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2022-02-12 13:30:17	nl6720	TheDcoder: have you tried to read grub's documentation?
2022-02-12 13:30:29	bladerunner1	Is there any command-line PDF Viewer? 
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2022-02-12 13:31:04	TheDcoder	nl6720: No, but it works™ and it shouldn't be very hard to add a new custom entry, right?
2022-02-12 13:31:11	CarloWood	bladerunner1: evince ?
2022-02-12 13:31:23	TheDcoder	I also recall that there was a GUI program to help you do just that :)
2022-02-12 13:31:29	CarloWood	I mean, it opens a GUI - but you can start it from the command line :)
2022-02-12 13:31:34	Warepire	bladerunner1: You mean a pdf viewer that has a command line style interface, or one that renders like for example w3c?
2022-02-12 13:31:54	TheDcoder	grub-customizer
2022-02-12 13:31:57	nl6720	TheDcoder: shouldn't be too hard in any boot loader. but if you're comparing the length of docs, then grub wins
2022-02-12 13:32:03	Warepire	*w3m
2022-02-12 13:32:05	nl6720	"wins" that is
2022-02-12 13:32:13	TheDcoder	ha ha, right
2022-02-12 13:33:21	bladerunner1	Yeah, it should just render in the terminal
2022-02-12 13:33:40	bladerunner1	Warepire CarloWood
2022-02-12 13:35:16	Warepire	Some googling suggests pdftotext, not sure if that is sufficient for you. Depends on the kinds of pdfs you read.
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2022-02-12 13:35:27	Warepire	Someone else might know more.
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2022-02-12 13:39:17	Ingar	in KDE file managers, is there a way to disable 'modified time' being displayed as thigns like 'one minute ago' 'two days ago'
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2022-02-12 13:41:09	TheDcoder	bladerunner1: what do you really want to do? read PDF files over an SSH session?
2022-02-12 13:41:58	bladerunner1	Possibly lol 
2022-02-12 13:42:08	TheDcoder	In that case you can use sshfs to mount a remote path in your file system and use your normal GUI programs
2022-02-12 13:42:09	nl6720	Ingar: in Configure Dolphin -> View Modes -> Details there's "Date style". I don't know how many things it affects, though
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2022-02-12 13:42:57	nl6720	hmm, doesn't affect the sidebar
2022-02-12 13:43:59	bladerunner1	TheDcoder Well that's handy but wouldn't be easier to just have it display in the command line
2022-02-12 13:44:34	TheDcoder	bladerunner1: As you may have already guessed, there aren't any elegant solutions for rendering PDFs in a CLI
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2022-02-12 13:45:24	TheDcoder	in my opinion, just mounting the remote with sshfs is way easier than setting up a hacky terminal PDF reader
2022-02-12 13:45:47	Warepire	Depends on how your pdf was created or if it has a lot of images. Some will likely render ok in the terminal using something like pdftotext, others will be useless that way.
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2022-02-12 13:46:07	bladerunner1	It doesn't have images, just texts
2022-02-12 13:46:48	bladerunner1	But yeah I don't mind using GUI if there's no other option
2022-02-12 13:47:25	Ingar	nl6720: aha there is , you can choose between 'relative' and 'absolute' style
2022-02-12 13:48:09	Ingar	nl6720: also works for konqueror. thanksalot!
2022-02-12 13:48:26	nl6720	^_^
2022-02-12 13:49:05	Ingar	I was working with a timelapse series with thousands of JPEG images
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2022-02-12 13:53:21	TheDcoder	bladerunner1: pdftohtml + elinks
2022-02-12 13:55:48	bladerunner1	TheDcoder thanks :)
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2022-02-12 13:55:52	espresso	Ingar: I too wish dolphin would show exact time rather than those "Yesterday, at tea time", and searched a bit at https://forum.kde.org/ .. might have some luck with "dolphinrc" or at worst, recompiling
2022-02-12 13:55:53	@phrik	Title: Index page • KDE Community Forums (at forum.kde.org)
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2022-02-12 13:56:54	CarloWood	Using "Yesterday, at tea time" shows humanity is degrading.
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2022-02-12 14:07:52	espresso	I exaggerate a bit. :)  the one ISO date format i wanted has been broken in KDE for years due to lingering Qt issue
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2022-02-12 14:08:30	espresso	unless changed
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2022-02-12 14:36:57	jdarnley	> sudo: /etc/sudo.conf is owned by uid 65534, should be 0
2022-02-12 14:37:04	jdarnley	Is that a new requirement?
2022-02-12 14:37:48	jonathon	"new" on what timescale?
2022-02-12 14:37:53	jdarnley	uh
2022-02-12 14:37:54	◣	agvantibo (~agvantibo@79.165.99.155) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-02-12 14:37:56	jdarnley	last 50 days
2022-02-12 14:38:03	jdarnley	I think that was my uptime
2022-02-12 14:38:24	jonathon	 did you update sudo in the past 50 days? there was an update to 1.9.9 at some point...
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2022-02-12 14:38:38	jdarnley	I have just updated and been up 36 minutes
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2022-02-12 14:39:10	jdarnley	and I am not on 1.9.9-2
2022-02-12 14:39:15	jdarnley	*now
2022-02-12 14:39:19	jonathon	ok, so you can check if you updated sudo in `/var/log/pacman.log` or `paclog`. it might also show you any warnings about differeing file permissions
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2022-02-12 14:39:40	jdarnley	thanks
2022-02-12 14:40:15	jonathon	(as far as i know, that file has always been root:root on my systems)
2022-02-12 14:40:26	ramblebamble	jdarnley only skimming but that UID conjures up memories of uid-maps in docker/namespaces
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2022-02-12 14:40:55	jonathon	i think it's also the "nobody" uid
2022-02-12 14:41:01	jdarnley	ah my bad
2022-02-12 14:41:19	jdarnley	I was under 'unshare"
2022-02-12 14:41:35	ramblebamble	you are right it is the nobody uid 
2022-02-12 14:41:49	jdarnley	no complaints now I exited that
2022-02-12 14:42:13	jdarnley	Nothing in pacman.log about the file so it was fine when I updated.
2022-02-12 14:42:37	jdarnley	and out of that subshell I see
2022-02-12 14:42:39	jdarnley	-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4557 Feb  2 09:02 /etc/sudo.conf
2022-02-12 14:42:43	ramblebamble	yay
2022-02-12 14:42:49	jdarnley	thank you ramblebamble 
2022-02-12 14:42:53	ramblebamble	np
2022-02-12 14:43:03	ramblebamble	as we can see the root of all evil is usually root 
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2022-02-12 14:43:57	jdarnley	lol I hate wifi
2022-02-12 14:44:08	jdarnley	top speed: 18.2 Mbps
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2022-02-12 14:48:58	jdarnley	oh nice!  5.15 lts now supports the KB backlight on my laptop
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2022-02-12 15:33:54	mingdao	jdarnley: Just got 27.5MB/s over wifi here.
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2022-02-12 16:09:08	GreyXor	Hello, I have 3 machines with the same packages installed. but on one of these machines there is electron that crashes, I have a segfault. the packages being in the same version I do not understand what happens and how I can debug that. do you know some method to debug electron/wayland ?
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2022-02-12 16:23:49	BrainDamage	did you do a partial update?
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2022-02-12 16:24:25	Namarrgon	"electron" in which incarnation?
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2022-02-12 17:49:59	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-12 17:27:31	gehidore	ever tested ram?
2022-02-12 17:31:34	kevku	it's linux desktop, it's always the gpu drivers fault
2022-02-12 17:35:06	gehidore	kevku having that discussion elsewhere hehe
2022-02-12 17:35:34	gehidore	insists it's PRIME making his cpu spike to 33% all the time while running chrome with a config from a mac and prime isn't even loaded but the issue is prime!
2022-02-12 17:35:55	bloodfart69	I am trying to get my debugger to work on archlinux. My debugger is an extension from visual code, and the shit don't work as good. For example, I can run it but after a certain amount of breakpoints this shit pops up: http://ix.io/3Ppk
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2022-02-12 17:59:42	wereii	jonathon: could you help me here a bit, I am making that issue about wxPy etc. Though after delving into it and getting stuff to build I noticed there is no released version with the fix for py310, only master contains commits fixing it
2022-02-12 18:00:20	wereii	so basically, does arch "backport" commits to fix compatibility?
2022-02-12 18:00:29	jonathon	mention it in the report, and refer to the commit that fixes the issue
2022-02-12 18:00:46	wereii	alright
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2022-02-12 18:01:00	jonathon	generally arch avoids patching things, but when there's a larger issue that breakage the maintainer normally considers it
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2022-02-12 18:02:02	jonathon	s/that/like that/
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2022-02-12 18:05:20	wereii	thing is, how long has py310 been the main driver? I was pretty surprised there aren't really that much issues considering this is rather big 
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2022-02-12 18:05:37	wereii	it seems like it didn't hit much other packages
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2022-02-12 18:07:09	wereii	s/much/many/ ?
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2022-02-12 18:08:01	jonathon	3.10 has been default since the end of december
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2022-02-12 18:08:08	TheDcoder	Hi, I am getting mount errors with my manual entry in the rEFInd bootloader, the system couldn't boot. systemctl status systemd-mount-something didn't show any output in the emergency shell
2022-02-12 18:08:47	TheDcoder	My kernel parameters: root=PARTUUID=... rw initrd=boot\intel-ucode.img
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2022-02-12 18:09:43	mattf	is someone else having of have heard of problems with curl? 
2022-02-12 18:09:54	mattf	recently
2022-02-12 18:09:55	teraflops	just describe your issue
2022-02-12 18:10:02	mattf	my curl based scripts dont work anymore
2022-02-12 18:10:06	mattf	like cht.sh
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2022-02-12 18:10:31	teraflops	from where is that sh thing?
2022-02-12 18:10:33	mingdao	http://www.co.kerr.tx.us/it/howtoreport.html
2022-02-12 18:10:34	@phrik	Title: FGA: Please follow the standard litany when giving a problem report. (at www.co.kerr.tx.us)
2022-02-12 18:10:46	mingdao	mattf ^^
2022-02-12 18:10:58	mattf	calling curl from ubuntu machine and my arch gives different results
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2022-02-12 18:11:22	mattf	sure it is different versions but they are under the same ip and im passing it all headers (copied from browser)
2022-02-12 18:11:38	mingdao	`curl https://0x0.st/<munged>.html > filename.html` works for me.
2022-02-12 18:12:03	mingdao	`curl wttr.in/"$location"` also
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2022-02-12 18:12:18	mattf	give me an example i can run
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2022-02-12 18:12:53	mingdao	curl https://0x0.st/oX50.jpg > Apathy.jpg
2022-02-12 18:12:54	mattf	hah wttr works for me
2022-02-12 18:13:19	mattf	that image also did
2022-02-12 18:13:36	TheDcoder	What does this mean? Failed to look up module alias 'crypto_user': Function not implemented
2022-02-12 18:13:38	mingdao	Maybe if you give us all the info, as shown in the howtoreport line?
2022-02-12 18:14:12	mattf	im making the report
2022-02-12 18:15:07	mingdao	mattf: Not that this is a very good example ... curl https://cht.sh/ls > cheatsheet-ls    Works For Me
2022-02-12 18:15:16	teraflops	...
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2022-02-12 18:16:14	mingdao	cht.sh is Igor Chubin, also
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2022-02-12 18:18:04	null1	Are there any WM where you can set up one workspace for tiling and another that's floating?
2022-02-12 18:18:32	teraflops	you can do that with e.g i3
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2022-02-12 18:18:43	mattf	here: http://ix.io/3Pps
2022-02-12 18:18:54	teraflops	I bet you can do the same in many WMs
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2022-02-12 18:20:11	mingdao	mattf: curl http://ix.io/3Pps > test-curl ; https://0x0.st/oX5k.html
2022-02-12 18:20:16	null1	teraflops: can you do that with icewm?
2022-02-12 18:20:27	teraflops	I don't know
2022-02-12 18:20:28	TheDcoder	I need help figuring out why the kernel is failing to load modules with my custom boot loader, here's my configuration and system log: https://bpa.st/7TIA
2022-02-12 18:20:29	@phrik	Title: View paste 7TIA (at bpa.st)
2022-02-12 18:20:34	wereii	null1: AwesomeWM can do that too
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2022-02-12 18:20:43	null1	mattf: is that link a virus or something
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2022-02-12 18:20:55	mattf	null1: ix.io ?
2022-02-12 18:20:59	mattf	pastebin
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2022-02-12 18:21:36	null1	virustotal flagged it as a malicious link
2022-02-12 18:21:44	null1	for some reeason
2022-02-12 18:21:47	mattf	hah
2022-02-12 18:21:49	mingdao	wth is virustotal?
2022-02-12 18:22:01	TheDcoder	null1: It's an illegal anime site... it might have virus, not sure
2022-02-12 18:22:12	TheDcoder	mingdao: It's a virus scanning service
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2022-02-12 18:24:53	mattf	lol
2022-02-12 18:25:11	mattf	sorry, im making this script to scrape that site :P
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2022-02-12 18:26:36	teraflops	did you bother in reading manpages to see if any of the flags/options you are passing to curl changed between those versions?
2022-02-12 18:26:39	mattf	I also tested on a vps
2022-02-12 18:26:51	mattf	well im only using -H 
2022-02-12 18:27:02	mattf	and -X
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2022-02-12 18:28:22	mattf	i will make a header printing proxy and curl it with all those headers from the computers to check if curl is really sending them
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2022-02-12 18:28:30	null1	teraflops: How do i configure i3 to make it do that
2022-02-12 18:28:48	Scimmia	TheDcoder: did you build those modules for that kernel?
2022-02-12 18:29:07	TheDcoder	Scimmia: Yes, I can boot with Grub
2022-02-12 18:29:15	TheDcoder	same kernel
2022-02-12 18:29:18	teraflops	null1: for_window [workspace="9"] floating enable
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2022-02-12 18:29:48	null1	thx
2022-02-12 18:29:54	Scimmia	TheDcoder: that IS grub
2022-02-12 18:30:16	Scimmia	Or wait, maybe not?
2022-02-12 18:30:41	TheDcoder	Scimmia: I am trying with reEFInd
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2022-02-12 18:30:44	TheDcoder	Grub works
2022-02-12 18:31:22	TheDcoder	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2021772
2022-02-12 18:31:22	@phrik	Title: systemd-modules-load fails with rEFInd bootloader custom config / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-02-12 18:32:29	Scimmia	TheDcoder: only using the -zen kernel?
2022-02-12 18:32:50	TheDcoder	Scimmia: Yes, I don't have any other kernel on this system
2022-02-12 18:33:20	mattf	cur from both computers are passing the same headers correctly
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2022-02-12 18:33:33	mattf	no idea how they can get different responses for a site
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2022-02-12 18:34:01	Scimmia	TheDcoder: is this in the initramfs or in the actual system?
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2022-02-12 18:34:33	TheDcoder	Scimmia: I am 99% sure that it's the actual system
2022-02-12 18:34:47	TheDcoder	I am able to use systemctl and journalctl from the emergency shell
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2022-02-12 18:35:57	Scimmia	TheDcoder: what does uname -a give you?
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2022-02-12 18:36:19	TheDcoder	Scimmia: In the emergency shell?
2022-02-12 18:36:29	Scimmia	yes
2022-02-12 18:37:00	TheDcoder	I would have to reboot my current system to check that :-/
2022-02-12 18:37:23	TheDcoder	Is it okay that we assume that it's the same kernel? I promise I don't have any funny stuff going on
2022-02-12 18:38:11	Scimmia	no, it's not okay at all
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2022-02-12 18:38:27	Scimmia	the most likely explanation is that you're loading the wrong kernel
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2022-02-12 18:38:59	TheDcoder	Scimmia: That's... impossible, there is no other kernel on the system physically
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2022-02-12 18:39:19	Scimmia	you have no idea how many times we've heard that, and it's been wrong
2022-02-12 18:39:38	TheDcoder	Scimmia: Can I get a pass if I show you the output of /boot?
2022-02-12 18:39:57	TheDcoder	*ls /boot
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2022-02-12 18:40:05	Scimmia	that doesn't tell me what's actually being loaded
2022-02-12 18:40:26	TheDcoder	Alright, I'll do it :P
2022-02-12 18:40:37	TheDcoder	be back in a few
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2022-02-12 18:45:47	teraflops	mattf: are you sure you are not hitting a captcha or anything of that sort? tried adding -vv to the command?
2022-02-12 18:46:26	TheDcoder	Scimmia: Holy moly... Linux arch 5.9.1-zen2-1-zen #1 ZEN SMP PREEMPT Sun, 18 Oct 2020 02:45:20 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2022-02-12 18:46:31	Mathisen	evening! so anyone got an idea why my grub-mkconfig is adding wrong partition numbers for me in the grub.cfg file.. this is what it adds " linux   /vmlinuz-linux root=/dev/mapper/vg0-root rw cryptdevice=/dev/nvme0n1p6:luks:>
2022-02-12 18:46:31	Mathisen	 " but it should be dev/nvme0n1p7 not 6
2022-02-12 18:46:34	TheDcoder	Where did THAT come from!?
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2022-02-12 18:47:17	mattf	teraflops: I am getting an html, but it is different from the one i get on other machines
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2022-02-12 18:47:53	Scimmia	TheDcoder: so it's loading the wrong kernel :D
2022-02-12 18:48:08	wereii	uh, is there a way to add codeblocks to bug reports?
2022-02-12 18:48:10	Scimmia	TheDcoder: do you have a separate /boot partition?
2022-02-12 18:48:20	TheDcoder	Scimmia: I don't even know where that kernel is...
2022-02-12 18:48:36	TheDcoder	Scimmia: Yes actually, but it's on the wrong disk!
2022-02-12 18:49:09	Scimmia	TheDcoder: unmount it, see if the old kernel is hidden underneith it.
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2022-02-12 18:49:51	TheDcoder	Scimmia: I think it's an issue in my fstab
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2022-02-12 18:50:08	Scimmia	it's possible
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2022-02-12 18:51:50	mattf	teraflops: I seems that im hitting some sort of browser test indeed. But why would it still work from other computers. What else is curl sending to screw that up
2022-02-12 18:52:19	teraflops	mattf: idk tbh, CORS?
2022-02-12 18:52:28	teraflops	nah honestly no idea
2022-02-12 18:52:38	mattf	well the headers are the same from both machines
2022-02-12 18:52:48	mattf	actually even from my vps works too
2022-02-12 18:52:58	TheDcoder	Scimmia: doesn't look like it, that partition has a different UUID, no chance for ambiguity
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2022-02-12 18:53:13	TheDcoder	I think it's actually reEFInd which is loading the wrong partition
2022-02-12 18:53:34	teraflops	mattf: are there any differences on both version's curl --version ?
2022-02-12 18:53:40	mattf	yes they are
2022-02-12 18:53:51	mattf	ill downgrade my arch curl
2022-02-12 18:54:13	mattf	but i tried and i got some ssl problems
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2022-02-12 18:54:40	Scimmia	TheDcoder: well you're telling it which one to load with the "Volume" option
2022-02-12 18:54:57	TheDcoder	How does rEFInd actually know which partition to look for boot files?
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2022-02-12 18:55:19	mattf	oh actually i get this: curl: (61) Unrecognized content encoding type. libcurl understands deflate, gzip content encodings.
2022-02-12 18:55:25	TheDcoder	Scimmia: Oh right!!!
2022-02-12 18:55:34	TheDcoder	my bad, I should've paid more attention
2022-02-12 18:55:45	TheDcoder	The partitions both share the same label
2022-02-12 18:56:00	teraflops	yeah remove the br
2022-02-12 18:56:16	Scimmia	yeah, that's bad all around
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2022-02-12 18:56:29	mattf	ah yeah br
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2022-02-12 18:57:24	mattf	still same problem, now same curl version on both
2022-02-12 18:58:11	teraflops	mattf: you get always same result no the arch machine? maybe the problem is the IP address
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2022-02-12 18:58:19	teraflops	no/on
2022-02-12 18:58:28	TheDcoder	Scimmia: I just used the example config and modified the stuff I needed... so I'd say it's a bad example. No one should use labels as their partition identifiers
2022-02-12 18:58:29	mattf	how can the site now this! is there something else than headers? how can the site differentiate between same headers and same ip?
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2022-02-12 18:59:06	mattf	teraflops: well I tested on a remote vps it works (fine it could be my local ip) then i test on another ubuntu machine on my lan and it also works
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2022-02-12 18:59:24	mattf	can the site know my local ip address? 
2022-02-12 18:59:29	teraflops	so same wan ip address?
2022-02-12 18:59:34	mattf	yes
2022-02-12 18:59:38	teraflops	ouch
2022-02-12 18:59:41	mattf	i dont get it!
2022-02-12 18:59:47	teraflops	neither do i
2022-02-12 18:59:54	Scimmia	TheDcoder: I disagree, labels are a very good identifier. Setting up a system with multiple labels the same is the problem
2022-02-12 18:59:57	vd	can you run parted on a mounted partition to resize it to max available size?
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2022-02-12 19:01:00	TheDcoder	Scimmia: That's the other side of the coin I guess. My issue with labels is that they are identifiers for humans and any random partition can have the same label without any issues
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2022-02-12 19:02:32	mattf	teraflops: I am hitting a captcha indeed btw
2022-02-12 19:02:42	teraflops	yeah
2022-02-12 19:02:43	noze	looking for: a lightweight media player gui for controlling MPRIS?
2022-02-12 19:03:28	TheDcoder	noze: I don't know what MPRIS is but I can vouch for mpv all day for a lightweight media player
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2022-02-12 19:03:38	TheDcoder	(it's also my personal favourite)
2022-02-12 19:04:45	teraflops	mpv has a mpdris addon
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2022-02-12 19:05:19	noze	TheDcoder: I use mpv. MPRIS is a dbus protocol for controlling media players. Say you're playing music in a browser tab. Then you can use an MPRIS client to pause that or play the next track.
2022-02-12 19:05:29	noze	playerctl is the standard cli for mpris
2022-02-12 19:05:38	teraflops	but you can as well use socat since it exposes an IPC
2022-02-12 19:05:41	TheDcoder	Ah, I see
2022-02-12 19:05:52	noze	thus the question about a gui ;)
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2022-02-12 19:06:21	TheDcoder	noze: I guess it depends on your DE, Xfce provides a nice control interface
2022-02-12 19:06:26	noze	in particular when there are several media sources playerctl is not that useful
2022-02-12 19:06:28	TheDcoder	I can also use my keyboard's media keys
2022-02-12 19:06:29	noze	indeed
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2022-02-12 19:06:44	TheDcoder	I can also see which applications are playing media
2022-02-12 19:06:49	noze	I wish Xfce's interface was usable outside of Xfce
2022-02-12 19:07:10	noze	in particular on wayland
2022-02-12 19:07:15	TheDcoder	It's built into Xfwm so you'd need to use that
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2022-02-12 19:08:03	TheDcoder	noze: But I'd reckon all modern DEs provide some sort of control interface, so I guess you are using some other light-weight window manager instead of a full DE?
2022-02-12 19:08:09	noze	well, this is #archlinux, so surely someone else must have tried to get a reasonable UI for MPRIS on wayland outside of gnome and kde..?
2022-02-12 19:08:13	TheDcoder	Plasma would have it for sure
2022-02-12 19:08:26	noze	Plasma has a beautiful one, indeed
2022-02-12 19:08:57	TheDcoder	noze: I guess most don't bother because their DE provides for them. What do you use? Might be worth it to bring it up as a feature request for that project
2022-02-12 19:09:07	noze	but sadly plasmashell is not usable without kwin
2022-02-12 19:09:38	TheDcoder	who'd want to use plasmashell without the accompanying KDE stuff? :P
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2022-02-12 19:10:44	noze	well, I'm using sway (wayland's evolution of i3), and I'd like to have a decent desktop panel with modern media controls (not just three font buttons that launch a shell script)
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2022-02-12 19:11:34	noze	So I'd be pretty happy if I could get plasma's bar running. Or any decently mature desktop panel.
2022-02-12 19:11:52	noze	But there doesn't seem to be a whole lot on wayland
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2022-02-12 19:17:26	TheDcoder	noze: Why not Xfce? It supports Wayland I think
2022-02-12 19:17:36	teraflops	ugh are you sure?
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2022-02-12 19:17:55	TheDcoder	no, that's why I appended my statement with "I think" :)
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2022-02-12 19:20:06	TheDcoder	I now see that support for Wayland is non-existent in alternative DEs
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2022-02-12 19:20:52	AlexC	it pretty much kde and gnome only
2022-02-12 19:20:57	AlexC	and a few other WM-s
2022-02-12 19:20:58	AlexC	thats it
2022-02-12 19:21:04	TheDcoder	Yup, I hope Xfce adds support
2022-02-12 19:21:11	AlexC	they will, eventually
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2022-02-12 19:21:15	teraflops	enlightenment iirc
2022-02-12 19:21:16	AlexC	just a few years
2022-02-12 19:21:30	TheDcoder	I dislike KDE and Gnome equally, and I have tried both
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2022-02-12 19:21:43	AlexC	i have no problems with plasma
2022-02-12 19:21:46	AlexC	just shit
2022-02-12 19:21:49	AlexC	buggy shit
2022-02-12 19:21:52	teraflops	xD
2022-02-12 19:21:56	AlexC	other than that, fine
2022-02-12 19:21:57	TheDcoder	exactly, bloated and buggy
2022-02-12 19:22:13	AlexC	and since nvidia doesn't like wayland still
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2022-02-12 19:22:22	AlexC	i have no intention to go and try wayland
2022-02-12 19:22:30	TheDcoder	didn't they add support many months ago?
2022-02-12 19:22:37	teraflops	nvidia added support recently with latest mesa and linux
2022-02-12 19:22:43	AlexC	ye
2022-02-12 19:22:50	AlexC	tried last month with nvidia 495
2022-02-12 19:22:53	AlexC	it was HORRIBLE
2022-02-12 19:22:55	AlexC	unusable.
2022-02-12 19:23:03	AlexC	both kde and gnome
2022-02-12 19:23:25	TheDcoder	what was the biggest issue?
2022-02-12 19:23:31	TheDcoder	slow performance?
2022-02-12 19:23:44	AlexC	framedrops, glitches, graphical issues, slow
2022-02-12 19:23:46	AlexC	everything
2022-02-12 19:23:51	AlexC	gaming is no go
2022-02-12 19:23:54	AlexC	xwayland is a crap
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2022-02-12 19:24:09	AlexC	be in mind, this is on exclusive nvidia
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2022-02-12 19:24:12	teraflops	well, it can only get better
2022-02-12 19:24:14	AlexC	i have no idea over amd/intel
2022-02-12 19:24:20	TheDcoder	AlexC: okay
2022-02-12 19:24:44	TheDcoder	Does Wayland offer any advantages over X11 aside from the usual security overhaul?
2022-02-12 19:24:55	teraflops	no tearing
2022-02-12 19:24:57	AlexC	multi thread support
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2022-02-12 19:25:03	AlexC	hidpi
2022-02-12 19:25:10	AlexC	HDR (eventually)
2022-02-12 19:25:17	AlexC	soon (tm)
2022-02-12 19:25:28	teraflops	xorg does 10 bit
2022-02-12 19:25:31	TheDcoder	KDE already has good support for HiDPI
2022-02-12 19:25:41	AlexC	well
2022-02-12 19:25:54	AlexC	try it on windows, and tell me the difference
2022-02-12 19:25:59	AlexC	that is just eyecandy
2022-02-12 19:26:03	AlexC	no joke.
2022-02-12 19:26:06	TheDcoder	...Windows?
2022-02-12 19:26:08	AlexC	yes
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2022-02-12 19:26:19	AlexC	sounds odd, I know
2022-02-12 19:26:21	AlexC	:D
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2022-02-12 19:26:34	TheDcoder	oh you mean application windows
2022-02-12 19:26:38	AlexC	no
2022-02-12 19:26:40	AlexC	the OS
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2022-02-12 19:26:46	TheDcoder	what?
2022-02-12 19:26:54	TheDcoder	who uses X11 on Windows?
2022-02-12 19:26:59	teraflops	...
2022-02-12 19:27:07	AlexC	you didn't get what I said
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2022-02-12 19:27:47	teraflops	TheDcoder: well I did that for a while (Xorg on windows + wsl)
2022-02-12 19:27:49	TheDcoder	I switched from Windows 10 to KDE Plasma, the experience was good
2022-02-12 19:27:52	clarjon1	TheDcoder: folks stuck on windows and needing applications passed thru either thru ssh or from WSL
2022-02-12 19:28:22	TheDcoder	Last I heard Microsoft has a pretty good X implementation
2022-02-12 19:28:27	teraflops	latest WSL does not require a separated xorg anynore
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2022-02-12 19:28:31	clarjon1	It didn't always
2022-02-12 19:28:33	TheDcoder	I never tried WSL
2022-02-12 19:28:40	TheDcoder	yes
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2022-02-12 19:28:53	teraflops	you just run gui apps and they work ootb
2022-02-12 19:28:58	TheDcoder	so I don't see why it's relevant to my query about Wayland :)
2022-02-12 19:29:19	teraflops	TheDcoder: I hting they were complaining about hidpi support
2022-02-12 19:29:25	teraflops	think^
2022-02-12 19:29:31	noze	yes, the main reason I'm using wayland over X is because scaling just works
2022-02-12 19:29:33	TheDcoder	Tearing is a WM issue afaik
2022-02-12 19:29:40	TheDcoder	and not sure what advantages MT brings
2022-02-12 19:29:45	TheDcoder	X works fine for me
2022-02-12 19:29:57	teraflops	I still prefer xorg
2022-02-12 19:30:15	TheDcoder	teraflops: Yes, but they framed it in the wrong context
2022-02-12 19:30:29	noze	but the state of alternative DE ecosystems is... nascent, let's say
2022-02-12 19:30:36	TheDcoder	Microsoft has a good X server now, so it's not an issue anymore
2022-02-12 19:30:46	teraflops	iirc they do wayland
2022-02-12 19:30:47	TheDcoder	and honestly I didn't think Wayland could work over WSL
2022-02-12 19:30:52	teraflops	or xwayland
2022-02-12 19:31:32	TheDcoder	noze: Xfce is pretty good, it provides all of the basics and doesn't force feed you their own versions of apps
2022-02-12 19:31:41	TheDcoder	which often lack features
2022-02-12 19:32:14	TheDcoder	Gnome has their own programs for everything
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2022-02-12 19:32:30	teraflops	yeah WSLg does do wayland and pulseaudio
2022-02-12 19:32:32	TheDcoder	The only two programs I like which were made by Gnome are GIMP and GNOME Disks
2022-02-12 19:32:40	thrice	you can install gnome or plasma without a lot of their apps, too
2022-02-12 19:32:42	TheDcoder	teraflops: That's cool I guess
2022-02-12 19:32:49	teraflops	it is imo
2022-02-12 19:33:26	TheDcoder	thrice: right, but at that point I personally see no reason to choose those over Xfce which is more light-weight
2022-02-12 19:33:42	TheDcoder	I guess someone could make a case for Plasma
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2022-02-12 19:33:44	thrice	plasma and gnome aren't really "heavy"
2022-02-12 19:33:56	teraflops	i used to run gnome-terminal till I noticed that windows terminal is ok, it supports all the unicode goodies
2022-02-12 19:34:05	TheDcoder	thrice: Yes, they are
2022-02-12 19:34:08	thrice	like, maybe another 100mb of ram?
2022-02-12 19:34:09	teraflops	nah
2022-02-12 19:34:20	teraflops	look at the resources they use
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2022-02-12 19:34:25	thrice	I'm in plasma right now, and using under 500mb of ram
2022-02-12 19:34:26	teraflops	not heavy I agree
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2022-02-12 19:34:37	TheDcoder	bloat is still bloat :)
2022-02-12 19:34:46	thrice	"bloat" is one of the dumbest words people use
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2022-02-12 19:35:35	TheDcoder	thrice: what's your take on it?
2022-02-12 19:35:54	thrice	on what?
2022-02-12 19:36:13	thrice	xfce is pretty featureless, on life support for development, and barely lighter than gnome or xfce
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2022-02-12 19:36:30	thrice	so "less bloat" is kind of a silly justification
2022-02-12 19:36:33	blaub	hi
2022-02-12 19:36:33	teraflops	those bars ans scripts people use on tiling wm with does while true & sleep use more cpu cicles than gnome or plasma
2022-02-12 19:36:38	teraflops	and^
2022-02-12 19:36:43	thrice	if you prefer it, fine, but it being minimal is not a good reason
2022-02-12 19:36:48	blaub	lol what? tera
2022-02-12 19:37:07	blaub	how can a while loop with sleep 1s take more cpu cycles? :D
2022-02-12 19:37:21	teraflops	search for dotfiles on github and start crying ;D
2022-02-12 19:37:32	blaub	lol wut O:D
2022-02-12 19:37:34	AlexC	dont
2022-02-12 19:37:37	AlexC	:D
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2022-02-12 19:38:56	teraflops	sorry for my english I meant which does not with does
2022-02-12 19:39:15	TheDcoder	teraflops: For me they are the primary benefits of using Xfce, less features = more focused experience
2022-02-12 19:39:26	TheDcoder	I don't need a million bells and whistles
2022-02-12 19:39:32	teraflops	I cant argue about people's liking
2022-02-12 19:40:03	TheDcoder	Indeed, but I am also sus about your claim of it being barely lighter than Gnome or KDE
2022-02-12 19:40:15	teraflops	I personally switched from i3 to gnome and I'm fine
2022-02-12 19:40:18	noze	jeez stop talking trash about DE's being bloated
2022-02-12 19:40:18	TheDcoder	Those DEs don't have 0% CPU in idle
2022-02-12 19:40:25	teraflops	noze: xD
2022-02-12 19:40:26	noze	just turn the bells off if you don't want them
2022-02-12 19:40:28	blaub	dwm is the best
2022-02-12 19:40:35	noze	lol dwm or die
2022-02-12 19:40:41	blaub	yeah
2022-02-12 19:40:43	blaub	dwm, st
2022-02-12 19:40:44	teraflops	!suckless
2022-02-12 19:40:44	@phrik	worse is better^H^H^H^H^H^Hworse
2022-02-12 19:40:45	TheDcoder	teraflops: Sorry, I mistook you for thrice, my response was meant for them
2022-02-12 19:40:53	teraflops	np we are chating
2022-02-12 19:41:08	TheDcoder	teraflops: I agree that running those cool scripts is more harmful than using Gnome
2022-02-12 19:41:12	AlexC	tty + ncurses best
2022-02-12 19:41:12	teraflops	blaub: st can do emojis now!
2022-02-12 19:41:23	blaub	teraflops: really? without a patch?
2022-02-12 19:41:26	thrice	TheDcoder: here, I just rebooted:  https://imgur.com/delete/N5yE17i3HOW5Jlp
2022-02-12 19:41:28	@phrik	Title: Delete an Image - Imgur (at imgur.com)
2022-02-12 19:41:30	TheDcoder	AlexC: Nah, I just use the shell
2022-02-12 19:41:35	teraflops	been there for quite a while
2022-02-12 19:41:45	noze	come on, at the end of the day the unixporn cerclejerk with 50 shell scripts running in the background and busy polling is nothing more than a meme
2022-02-12 19:41:49	thrice	er, https://i.imgur.com/UTjjH9a.png
2022-02-12 19:41:49	AlexC	shell != tty
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2022-02-12 19:42:03	TheDcoder	thrice: What's your idle CPU?
2022-02-12 19:42:16	thrice	wut
2022-02-12 19:42:30	TheDcoder	idle CPU usage :)
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2022-02-12 19:42:39	thrice	frequency? power?
2022-02-12 19:42:50	AlexC	percent I think
2022-02-12 19:42:51	AlexC	:P
2022-02-12 19:42:51	noze	doesn't bloody matter, I'm running firefox with a bunch of tabs open and I have a modern laptop, who cares if my DE runs on 1% or 4% of my cpu
2022-02-12 19:42:52	TheDcoder	percentage
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2022-02-12 19:43:11	TheDcoder	noze: bloat cycles are bloat :P
2022-02-12 19:43:13	AlexC	i don't care either the idle cpu usage
2022-02-12 19:43:23	AlexC	i7-10700 can handle just fine i guess
2022-02-12 19:43:24	thrice	TheDcoder: you're very confused about this whole thing
2022-02-12 19:43:29	thrice	and your mentality is like 5 years old
2022-02-12 19:43:42	TheDcoder	thrice: not really, but I may have OCD, I don't like idle CPU usage
2022-02-12 19:43:44	thrice	plasma and gnome are very light compared to available resources on modern hardware
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2022-02-12 19:44:10	noze	TheDcoder: how high is plasma's idle cpu usage?
2022-02-12 19:44:19	noze	what part of it actually is bloat?
2022-02-12 19:44:21	TheDcoder	I know, people make frontends for dd which comes with their own browser
2022-02-12 19:44:34	noze	people throw that around a lot, but have you actually tried?
2022-02-12 19:44:46	TheDcoder	Yes
2022-02-12 19:44:54	TheDcoder	and I have heard my fan buzz too
2022-02-12 19:44:57	TheDcoder	It's quite now
2022-02-12 19:45:36	teraflops	blaub: https://gist.github.com/prietus/a70f027143f59c7cca9ccf4a2b1648c6/raw/c87996425ce480a7d97f9eb2ba46e9561b2a0e63/IqCi.png ;D
2022-02-12 19:45:36	TheDcoder	also like I said, I may have an issue. I know that it doesn't really make that much of an impact for modern hardware
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2022-02-12 19:45:49	thrice	TheDcoder: 0-1% sitting here, bloat?  https://i.imgur.com/3sDfYuY.png
2022-02-12 19:45:59	TheDcoder	but I still prefer using as much less bloat as possible
2022-02-12 19:46:08	TheDcoder	and I am not losing anything
2022-02-12 19:46:14	TheDcoder	that's the way I see it
2022-02-12 19:46:15	noze	BS
2022-02-12 19:46:20	thrice	"bloat" to me means "I don't know what I'm talking about, but this sounds cool"
2022-02-12 19:46:28	TheDcoder	there's no motivation for me to switch to Gnome or KDE
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2022-02-12 19:46:41	thrice	noone is trying to get you to switch
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2022-02-12 19:46:58	noze	until you want to control more than one media source playing music on your computer
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2022-02-12 19:47:23	TheDcoder	thrice: I know, just putting out my thoughts out there so that you can understand my perspective :)
2022-02-12 19:47:40	TheDcoder	I am NOT saying that my approach is the best, obviously that's subjective
2022-02-12 19:47:40	blaub	teraflops: how O_o
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2022-02-12 19:47:49	thrice	but saying "I don't use kde or gnome because they are bloated" is just wrong
2022-02-12 19:47:51	teraflops	noze: to be honest the list of GUI for mpris is equally short for xorg
2022-02-12 19:47:53	TheDcoder	I know some people prefer nice GUIs and a lot of features
2022-02-12 19:47:54	thrice	on many levels
2022-02-12 19:47:54	noze	hell, I'm on sway, and I've used xmonad for 10 years, I'm not actually using kde/gnome, but people talking about "bloat" grinds my gears
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2022-02-12 19:48:23	AlexC	ahhahahah
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2022-02-12 19:48:42	AlexC	waymonad pls
2022-02-12 19:48:44	AlexC	:P
2022-02-12 19:48:48	TheDcoder	thrice: well, then what do I say instead? I don't think there's another term for pointless stuff
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2022-02-12 19:49:12	blaub	i just don't understand how people could stick to a wm/de which changes all the time
2022-02-12 19:49:13	thrice	Just don't say anything, it's better than spreading FUD
2022-02-12 19:49:22	thrice	"I prefer XFCE"  end of sentence
2022-02-12 19:49:22	blaub	compiled dwm one time and it just works, and always the same
2022-02-12 19:49:26	blaub	yeah
2022-02-12 19:49:28	Warepire	noze: The MPRIS spec looks fairly easy, so it has that going for it. If you know some programming you could probably whip something up relatively quickly.
2022-02-12 19:50:05	TheDcoder	thrice: If I come across an opinion I'd like to see some justification for it, otherwise how would I know if it's supposed to be relevant to me?
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2022-02-12 19:50:40	teraflops	blaub: e.g https://github.com/odknt/st
2022-02-12 19:50:44	teraflops	ans sixel!!!!
2022-02-12 19:50:46	teraflops	and^
2022-02-12 19:50:50	thrice	sorry, I don't think I have anything else to contribute to this convo :>
2022-02-12 19:51:12	noze	Warepire: I could, I could. But duplication of effort is the root of all evil on the linux desktop, and I'd rather contribute to an existing project 🤷
2022-02-12 19:51:31	TheDcoder	thrice: no problem, enjoy the rest of your day :)
2022-02-12 19:51:40	blaub	teraflops: nah, i just stay with my own, better not to tweak it and get used to it xD
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2022-02-12 19:52:41	noze	there are mpris bindings in decent languages too. So now I'm back to either wasting another Sunday on a little linux desktop programming project or switching to a fat DE
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2022-02-12 19:52:55	TheDcoder	noze: well, you tried to find a good solution but you couldn't, so that's more than enough justification to make your own
2022-02-12 19:53:25	TheDcoder	Just don't forget to share it with the community :D
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2022-02-12 20:01:09	lavaball	i want to mount ext2fs, lsmod says no ext2, i did modprobe ext2 with no error. lsmod still says no ext2. still can't mount.
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2022-02-12 20:04:13	teraflops	tried ext4 module?
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2022-02-12 20:05:55	lavaball	ext4 module is there.
2022-02-12 20:06:01	teraflops	did you forgot to reboot after installing a new kernel?
2022-02-12 20:06:17	lavaball	no.
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2022-02-12 20:07:17	teraflops	what is the error you get and what is the command you issued to mount the filesystem?
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2022-02-12 20:08:36	teraflops	ext4 is ok for ext2 and ext4 filesystem
2022-02-12 20:08:47	teraflops	as you can see if you modinfo ext4
2022-02-12 20:08:48	lavaball	the usual. wrong fs type, bad something ...
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2022-02-12 20:09:07	lavaball	made it in openbsd though. there it works fine.
2022-02-12 20:09:15	teraflops	please provide the exact command and error to being able to help
2022-02-12 20:09:28	teraflops	to be able^
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2022-02-12 20:10:00	lavaball	mount: ... : wrong fstype, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1 missing code page or helper pr.
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2022-02-12 20:10:28	lavaball	orgram, or other error.
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2022-02-12 20:12:18	lavaball	gotta go. i'll get back to you. thanks though.
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2022-02-12 20:16:07	lavaball	hm, i created the filesystem on sdb, not sdb1.
2022-02-12 20:16:09	lavaball	lala, mybad.
2022-02-12 20:16:17	lavaball	works fine.
2022-02-12 20:17:32	teraflops	;)
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2022-02-12 20:33:15	chobbit	running into a --dport issue with both iptables-nft and bundled iptables. steps outlined on forums (https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1837607) did not resolve, both (legacy) and (nf_tables) are unable to find dport. i don't really follow the flow of the conversation near the end and how symlinking resolved the issue, it fails to do so for me.
2022-02-12 20:33:15	@phrik	Title: Docker fails to run with port option due to the bundled iptables / Networking, Server, and Protection / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2022-02-12 20:33:51	jab416171	just got my first amd video card... 6900 xt, is radeon (and vulkan-radeon etc) for older cards and mesa (and amdvlk) for newer cards?
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2022-02-12 20:34:57	c209e6dc-4d76-47	So it seems xmonad, xmonad-contrib, glibc and and pandoc all are flagged out of date. What can I do in that case? pandoc and xmonad-contrib are failing due to older glibc and I'm waiting for xmonad 0.17 since last october, any way I can help out or something?
2022-02-12 20:35:43	Warepire	New glibc etc in the testing repos, if you're brave you can switch over to those and test stuff.
2022-02-12 20:36:00	Warepire	Otherwise it will likely drop into the normal repos soon (tm)
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2022-02-12 20:36:22	jab416171	or do I need both/all of them?
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2022-02-12 20:37:12	c209e6dc-4d76-47	jab416171: iirc, one of them is by amd and other one by open source community
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2022-02-12 20:40:10	jab416171	I see... the wiki isn't very clear in which is which
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2022-02-12 20:41:19	c209e6dc-4d76-47	Warepire: what would be a temporary solution to make pandoc or xmobar work until it comes in arch repos?
2022-02-12 20:42:10	chobbit	hm, disregard my earier question. it started working after 3 (not 2!) restarts. magical stuff.
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2022-02-12 20:57:22	dondon	jab416171: please stop mocking me with your graphics card acquisiton
2022-02-12 20:57:28	dondon	also, congrats
2022-02-12 21:04:15	jab416171	dondon, if it makes you feel better I did pay $1705 (including tax)
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2022-02-12 21:04:15	dondon	that makes me feel sad
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2022-02-12 21:04:15	jab416171	https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09M38TVL2/
2022-02-12 21:04:15	jab416171	Ships from Amazon.com Sold by Amazon.com
2022-02-12 21:04:15	jab416171	so at least a scalper didn't get the money
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2022-02-12 21:04:15	dondon	one day, the gpu supply will recover
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2022-02-12 21:04:23	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1488 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1486 normals)
2022-02-12 21:04:25	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-12 21:18:12	Spiker01	Hello to all.
2022-02-12 21:18:12	Spiker01	I have now installed KDE Plasma. But I also use i3wm. There was a following problem: Now instead of the Gnome/Gtk theme, i3wm uses icon themes, window styles and cursor skins from kde plasma. I didn't manually add anything to i3wm autoload or GNU/Linux autoload. How do I get i3wm to use GTK skins instead of kde skins again? Previously, before installing KDE, i3wm used a GTK theme. The system has
2022-02-12 21:18:12	Spiker01	Gnome installed.
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2022-02-12 21:23:17	Shambler	is it ok for a lost manjaro user to ask a question (not distro specific)?
2022-02-12 21:23:31	Warepire	!give Shambler notarch
2022-02-12 21:23:32	@phrik	Shambler: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2022-02-12 21:24:03	Warepire	c209e6dc-4d76-47: You could probably build the affected packages yourself as a workaround, depending on the amount it might not be a fun time though
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2022-02-12 21:27:13	DeepDayze	Manjaro is to Arch as Ubuntu is to Debian ;)
2022-02-12 21:27:25	Warepire	They already left.
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2022-02-12 21:27:55	DeepDayze	What about a distro like garuda? it's 100% arch compatible?
2022-02-12 21:27:58	vn971	Hi! `shellcheck` is broken in current Arch. That has probably been reported, like, 100 times right?
2022-02-12 21:28:02	vn971	> shellcheck: /usr/lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.34' not found (required by shellcheck)
2022-02-12 21:28:08	teraflops	vn971: 101 ;)
2022-02-12 21:28:24	NetSysFire	!give vn971 bugs
2022-02-12 21:28:24	@phrik	vn971: Bugs?! Arch Linux has no bugs! Oh.. wait.. https://bugs.archlinux.org
2022-02-12 21:28:35	Warepire	vn971: related: https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2022-February/030735.html
2022-02-12 21:28:37	@phrik	Title: [arch-dev-public] Do not release packages built against [testing] to stable repos (at lists.archlinux.org)
2022-02-12 21:29:05	vn971	@NetSysFire oh sorry, I'm forgetting about that, right. Thanks
2022-02-12 21:29:28	teraflops	updating glibc in a pinephone, it's generating _all_ the locales -_-
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2022-02-12 21:29:38	DeepDayze	bug the bug tracker lol
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2022-02-12 21:33:46	Scimmia	vn971: this was already fixed
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2022-02-12 21:43:35	vn971	Scimmia: right, missed it at first. Confirming, and thanks!
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2022-02-12 22:59:14	arseru	Hi! Do you know how can I export a calendar with AL? I'm trying to export an etesync calendar to import it to nextcloud, I have my DAV server at http://localhost:37358/arseru using etesync-dav[aur] but no idea how to get the VCS/ICS file from it
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2022-02-12 23:51:35	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-12 23:37:03	memelover	I see some programs on the AUR targeting OpenRC or runit as an init system. Out of curiosity, what's arch's feeling towards "alternative" init systems on the AUR? I understand that systemd is the only supported one in the official repos, but I was surprised to see programs targeting other init systems in the AUR. Is the AUR for _anything_, or should the programs _always_ work with
2022-02-12 23:37:03	memelover	arch(+systemd)?
2022-02-12 23:37:56	thurstylark	aur packages also aren't supported
2022-02-12 23:38:00	thurstylark	so... like that :P
2022-02-12 23:38:29	Khorne	They should still be usable on Arch
2022-02-12 23:38:47	memelover	Right - so I'd say that OpenRC packages aren't usable on Arch whatsoever
2022-02-12 23:41:58	Scimmia	unless someone uses OpenRC on Arch, which people do
2022-02-12 23:42:04	Khorne	Hm, I guess thats not said specifically in the submission rules..
2022-02-12 23:42:12	Khorne	I thought it was or used to be
2022-02-12 23:42:37	Khorne	Scimmia, which brings us back around to the question of what is "Arch"..base contains systemd and not openrc
2022-02-12 23:44:02	Scimmia	doesn't mean you have to boot it
2022-02-12 23:45:55	thurstylark	Look at it this way: even if an openrc package is eligible for deletion from the aur by nature of its incompatibility with systemd, unless they're actively causing a problem, why would a TU go out of their way to deliberately kick that anti-systemd hornet's nest?
2022-02-12 23:50:22	kevr	in my opinion, i don't think AUR submission guidelines should be dictated by official repo guidelines
2022-02-12 23:50:52	memelover	thurstylark: I understand (and it's a good idea to not kick it), but I was interested in the "official" opinion. Out of curiosity though, does this extend to, say, hosting a program that for whatever reason is only compatible with debian releases? I'm just curious about what the purpose of the AUR is, in actuality.
2022-02-12 23:50:52	kevr	there should be guidelines, but i don't think it should be up to anyone to censor a properly made package that doesn't coinside with official installs
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2022-02-12 23:51:52	arseru	Does anybody know a good package for CardDAV management from ArchLinux? I'm looking for the "merging contacts" functionality found in Google Contacts, but directly from a contacts.vcf file
2022-02-12 23:52:09	kevr	the purpose of the AUR is to allow users to upload their own packages, regardless of any incompatibility or licensing that is required. It is a crowd-sourced package repository.
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2022-02-12 23:53:02	kevr	licenses need to match with upstream, but the licensing does not dictate whether someone is allowed or not allowed to upload a package
2022-02-12 23:53:04	kevr	afaik
2022-02-12 23:53:19	kevr	this is a lot more complicated with official repos.
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2022-02-12 23:53:35	memelover	got it, thanks!
2022-02-12 23:53:41	demonicmaniac1	as aur is package building instructions and not packaging/distribution - yes
2022-02-12 23:53:47	demonicmaniac1	that's the important difference
2022-02-12 23:54:05	kevr	there are also -bin packages which purely distribute within the aur
2022-02-12 23:54:14	demonicmaniac1	they don't though
2022-02-12 23:54:32	demonicmaniac1	they are not hosted by archlinux as a binary package. they are instructions to download a -bin from somewhere else
2022-02-12 23:54:47	kevr	fair enough
2022-02-12 23:54:54	demonicmaniac1	most bin packages point to an official rpm or deb package that gets extracted and converted into an arch package locally on your machine
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2022-02-13 11:57:22	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-13 11:57:22	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1471 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1469 normals)
2022-02-13 08:02:20	Betal	any idea what might cause vlc to show black screen opening a video generated using ffmpeg libx264? the same video works in mpv
2022-02-13 08:14:41	Betal	disabling hardware-accelerated decoding 'fix' the issue
2022-02-13 08:20:32	dondon	have you matched the hardware decoding under ffmpeg to be whatever you have set in your mpv conf under hwdec=? have you tried changing your video output module to match what it is set in your mpv conf?
2022-02-13 08:20:59	dondon	mpv defaults to opengl
2022-02-13 08:22:32	dondon	if you dont have vdpau or vaapi installed (whichever is appropriate for your hardware), mpv may be falling back to software decoding as well.
2022-02-13 08:23:27	dondon	loading a video from a terminal will give you insight into how mpv is configuring itself
2022-02-13 08:32:33	Skaface	ive read somewhere that software decoding is a better option than GPU anyway, at a cost of CPU usage
2022-02-13 08:32:49	Skaface	so as long as you have a >10 year old CPU,
2022-02-13 08:33:06	Skaface	<10 year old :)
2022-02-13 08:34:27	Skaface	like apparently youll get a better quality decode using software decoding
2022-02-13 08:35:29	concrete-houses	help me  I forgot where my path is set
2022-02-13 08:35:41	concrete-houses	its not in .bashrc or .bash_profile
2022-02-13 08:36:10	concrete-houses	nor /etc/profile
2022-02-13 08:36:58	Skaface	usually its in .bash_profile ?
2022-02-13 08:42:14	dondon	it is first set in /etc/profile
2022-02-13 08:42:23	dondon	scripts in /etc/profile.d/ may append to it
2022-02-13 08:42:46	Betal	dondon: mpv was not using hwdec for this file, not sure what iam missing in the ffmpeg line 'ffmpeg -i <input> -c:v libx264 -preset fast test2.mp4'
2022-02-13 08:42:53	dondon	for users it is most common to append to it in .bashrc or .bash_profile
2022-02-13 08:43:40	dondon	Betal: that seems like a very different question
2022-02-13 08:44:07	Betal	dondon: yea, now I noticed the mpv isn't using hwdec in this specific file, and using nvdec for others
2022-02-13 08:45:41	dondon	so you just want to encode a video file as well?
2022-02-13 08:46:00	dondon	ffmpeg -i <input> -map 0:v -c:v libx264 -preset fast test2.mp4
2022-02-13 08:46:07	dondon	it will have no audio
2022-02-13 09:11:12	Betal	dondon: thanks, seems like handbrake can do the conversion, ill try to figure out
2022-02-13 10:59:15	Zetta1Reid0p	Is there a way to make sudo ask 1 time for password instead of 3 ?
2022-02-13 11:00:05	kode54	that's a PAM setting
2022-02-13 11:00:42	Zetta1Reid0p	So i need to edit pam ? What setting exactly is that ?
2022-02-13 11:00:43	kode54	or at least 3 failures equaling account lock is a PAM setting
2022-02-13 11:00:52	kode54	I don't know
2022-02-13 11:01:41	NetSysFire	!give Zetta1Reid0p aw faillock
2022-02-13 11:01:42	@phrik	Zetta1Reid0p: Faillock - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Faillock
2022-02-13 11:03:40	Zetta1Reid0p	NetSysFire: No no . I don't wanna lock my acc . I just want sudo to not ask me again if I fail to enter my password.
2022-02-13 11:04:17	sheep	I think this is the passwd_tries variable in the sudoers files
2022-02-13 11:04:17	Zetta1Reid0p	just like su
2022-02-13 11:05:16	Zetta1Reid0p	there is sutch on option ? Haven't seen it till now . Will try. And ty
2022-02-13 11:10:18	Tangent-Man	Hi how do I install Wijesekara (Sri Lankan) keyboard layout for KDE? There seems to be no method now.Wijesekara is the standard keyboard layout for Sri Lanka: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinhala_input_methods How would I go about doing this does anybody know please? Thanks to the devs/team for all your hard work on Arch :-)
2022-02-13 11:10:18	@phrik	Title: Sinhala input methods - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2022-02-13 11:12:43	Zetta1Reid0p	sheep: ty setting passwd_tries to 1 did it
2022-02-13 11:15:17	Warepire	Tangent-Man: Seems like you need IBus for this, some info here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/IBus
2022-02-13 11:15:18	@phrik	Title: IBus - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-13 11:16:07	Warepire	Tangent-Man: This package seems to be the provider of Wijesekara input: https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/ibus-m17n/
2022-02-13 11:16:09	@phrik	Title: Arch Linux - ibus-m17n 1.4.9-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-02-13 11:18:10	Zetta1Reid0	Isn't fcitx better for KDE environments ?
2022-02-13 11:18:47	Zetta1Reid0	Qt *
2022-02-13 11:24:12	Tangent-Man	Maybe there is no Wijesekara option for fcitx?
2022-02-13 11:25:27	Tangent-Man	(fxitx5)
2022-02-13 11:26:51	skysphr	https://archlinux.org/packages/?name=fcitx5-m17n try this if you want to go with fcitx
2022-02-13 11:26:53	@phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2022-02-13 11:40:04	Tangent-Man	That's weird I tried it and it was only working in Firefox..
2022-02-13 11:40:42	Tangent-Man	I will logout and back in and see if setting environment variables helps... be back soon...
2022-02-13 11:43:49	Tangent-Man	Weird now it's not working at all.. it is just showing me option for en(english).
2022-02-13 11:52:46	Tangent-Man	Maybe I will try a reboot?
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2022-02-13 12:00:00	pro	I was trying to install libvirt, qemu, kvm, but in the virt-manager gui I can only see LXC, any thought on where I made a mistake?
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2022-02-13 12:04:51	ishitatsuyuki	pro: did you enable virtualization extensions for your CPU?
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2022-02-13 12:07:16	ishitatsuyuki	try `sudo dmesg | rg kvm`
2022-02-13 12:07:16	pro	in bios?
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2022-02-13 12:07:16	ishitatsuyuki	oh not rg
2022-02-13 12:07:16	ishitatsuyuki	sudo dmesg | grep kvm
2022-02-13 12:07:16	ishitatsuyuki	what does it say?
2022-02-13 12:07:16	pro	[    7.309771] kvm: Nested Virtualization enabled
2022-02-13 12:07:16	pro	[    7.309774] SVM: kvm: Nested Paging enabled
2022-02-13 12:07:16	ishitatsuyuki	hmm it's enabled
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2022-02-13 12:07:16	ishitatsuyuki	I'm not familiar with libvirt but looking at entries in `journalctl -xe` might help
2022-02-13 12:07:21	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-02-13 12:07:21	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1470 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1468 normals)
2022-02-13 12:07:23	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-13 12:09:54	Namarrgon	is the qemu package installed?
2022-02-13 12:10:09	Namarrgon	and don't use -x with journalctl
2022-02-13 12:10:09	pro	yes
2022-02-13 12:10:15	Namarrgon	uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2022-02-13 12:10:30	pro	5.16.8-arch1-1
2022-02-13 12:10:33	pro	linux 5.16.8.arch1-1
2022-02-13 12:10:57	kode54	is the libvirtd service enabled and started? (this is needed for system VMs, but not user mode)
2022-02-13 12:11:38	pro	I enabled libvirtd.service and rebooted
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2022-02-13 12:12:02	pro	as https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/libvirt#Daemon states, it should take care of everything
2022-02-13 12:12:03	@phrik	Title: libvirt - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-02-13 12:12:58	tylee	very noobish question: how potential hacker can steal gpg key (or any other file) from my pc? one option is some malware which will curl -T ~/.gpg. Another option is unprotected ssh/sftp ports, which hadn't been closed with firewall & router. But maybe some other options exist? Like hijacking CUPS i don't know. In other words how to properly protect my data and take off tinfoil hat
2022-02-13 12:13:55	grawity	there *is* some, which is why things like AppArmor exist (apparmor rules can be written for services, restricting them to only paths they need), and why systemd has options like ProtectHome=
2022-02-13 12:14:05	colo	tylee, everything that triggers RCE (remote code execution) can be used to exfiltrate data
2022-02-13 12:14:11	grawity	and of course flatpak for apps running as your own UID
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2022-02-13 12:14:52	grawity	malware that uses browser exploits to steal ~/.ssh/id_rsa and wallet.dat has been seen in the past
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2022-02-13 12:15:11	grawity	I mean it's rare but
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2022-02-13 12:16:00	tylee	I already use firejail, ufw (really don't want to learn iptables, too hard for me) and my ports blocked there for 192.168.1.0/24 and in router. colo: and how to check if any of installed software triggers RCE? grawity: will simple stupid firejail protect from these exploits? It limits access to /home
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2022-02-13 12:17:33	grawity	tbh learning iptables is like learning to program in assembly – nftables and ferm are both better alternatives
2022-02-13 12:17:49	colo	tylee, most RCE of that kind is unintentional ;) i.e., due to security-critial bugs being exploited
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2022-02-13 12:20:41	tylee	colo: times ago i checked most of my software with mitmproxy lol. but now I stopped doing it because I mostly use simple <100-LOC shell scripts and basic programs from repo. anyway, as an average paranoia enjoyer i really fear any InVaSiOn. grawity: thanks, never tried nftables, maybe it's time to do it
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2022-02-13 12:21:00	krux02	I just had an update delete my GPU driver
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2022-02-13 12:21:12	krux02	WTF and WHY?
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2022-02-13 12:22:00	sheep	which GPU driver, and how did you determine that it was deleted?
2022-02-13 12:22:15	pro	idk how pacman deletes drivers
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2022-02-13 12:22:41	krux02	sheep, any pastebin you can recommend?
2022-02-13 12:22:45	sheep	!paste
2022-02-13 12:22:46	@phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-02-13 12:22:46	Khorne	!paste
2022-02-13 12:22:47	@phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-02-13 12:24:22	krux02	500 Internal Server Error
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2022-02-13 12:24:26	krux02	nice pastebin
2022-02-13 12:25:39	pro	if you can't pastebin, use your iphone to take a photo of the stuff you wish to share
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2022-02-13 12:26:51	Tangent-Man	!rs
2022-02-13 12:26:51	@phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
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2022-02-13 12:27:11	krux02_	sorry my chat application crashed
2022-02-13 12:27:17	krux02_	(2/2) Remove DKMS modules
2022-02-13 12:27:17	krux02_	==> dkms remove --no-depmod -m nvidia -v 390.143 -k 5.12.15-arch1-1
2022-02-13 12:27:17	krux02_	==> depmod 5.12.15-arch1-1
2022-02-13 12:27:29	tylee	krux02: try c-v.sh
2022-02-13 12:27:33	krux02_	those lines are from my `pacman -Syu output`
2022-02-13 12:27:41	sheep	is nvidia still installed?
2022-02-13 12:27:43	krux02_	what is that?
2022-02-13 12:27:57	sheep	it was probably removing an old module
2022-02-13 12:27:57	Namarrgon	post the output of the entire -Syu
2022-02-13 12:28:05	tylee	> nvidia
2022-02-13 12:28:14	tylee	linus.jpg
2022-02-13 12:28:34	krux02_	sheep, I have an old GPU and that old module was my gpu driver
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2022-02-13 12:28:46	krux02_	and without it I can't start the xserver
2022-02-13 12:28:53	sheep	right, but that's not what I'm asking
2022-02-13 12:29:02	sheep	is the nvidia /package/ still installed?
2022-02-13 12:29:10	krux02_	no
2022-02-13 12:29:19	krux02_	I can't past the output
2022-02-13 12:29:21	krux02_	sorry
2022-02-13 12:29:25	krux02_	internal server error
2022-02-13 12:29:28	sheep	check the end of /var/log/pacman.log then
2022-02-13 12:29:33	krux02_	or exceeds length
2022-02-13 12:29:34	sheep	and try a different pastebin
2022-02-13 12:29:35	krux02_	or whatever
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2022-02-13 12:29:40	krux02_	which one
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2022-02-13 12:30:10	sheep	which one did you try?
2022-02-13 12:30:12	krux02_	https://pastebin.com/GxUg2gzX
2022-02-13 12:30:13	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o8rd.txt
2022-02-13 12:30:13	@phrik	Title: libarchive-3.6.0-1 libass-0.15.2-1 libatomic_ops-7.6.12-1 libavif-0.9.3 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-02-13 12:30:40	krux02_	I tried debian and paste.rs
2022-02-13 12:30:51	sheep	it looks like it tried to upgrade nvidia to 390.143 but it failed to build
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2022-02-13 12:31:13	sheep	are you using the regular linux or linux-lts package for the kernel, or are you using a different kernel?
2022-02-13 12:31:46	krux02_	the other important line is: ==> WARNING: `dkms install --no-depmod nvidia/390.143 -k 5.16.8-arch1-1' exited 10
2022-02-13 12:31:52	krux02_	how is that a "warining"
2022-02-13 12:31:57	krux02_	it should be an error that rolls back
2022-02-13 12:32:07	sheep	pacman doesn't support rolling back
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2022-02-13 12:32:34	krux02_	as far as I know, I use regular linux
2022-02-13 12:32:39	sheep	are you using the nvidia package from the repos, or are you using one of the older nvidia driver packages from the AUR?
2022-02-13 12:32:54	krux02_	AUR
2022-02-13 12:33:03	pro	there's your issue there
2022-02-13 12:33:04	sheep	you might need to update and rebuild that package
2022-02-13 12:33:14	krux02_	the nvidia package from the repos removed support for my GPU some time ago
2022-02-13 12:33:32	krux02_	so it isn't the first time that my xserverd doesn't start anymore because of a gpu driver "update"
2022-02-13 12:33:57	sheep	you should change your update process to account for needing to keep that AUR package up to date
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2022-02-13 12:34:16	krux02_	I actually don't want any updates regarding my gpu driver anymore
2022-02-13 12:34:20	krux02_	just keep it as it is
2022-02-13 12:34:22	krux02_	don't touch it
2022-02-13 12:34:25	krux02_	it only ever breaks
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2022-02-13 12:34:40	sheep	you likely cannot do that. Kernel updates could cause the old drivers to become incompatible
2022-02-13 12:34:50	sheep	so you need a newer update of the old driver releases
2022-02-13 12:35:36	krux02_	https://pastebin.com/eU9xWEiv
2022-02-13 12:35:37	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o8rn.txt
2022-02-13 12:35:37	@phrik	Title: /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/390.132/build/make.logDKMS make.log for nvidia-390.132 fo - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2022-02-13 12:36:19	sheep	the nvidia-390xx-dkms package was just updated to 390.147-1 on 2021-12-18. You have 390.145
2022-02-13 12:36:52	sheep	I mean you have 390.132
2022-02-13 12:37:04	sheep	the .147 update probably includes fixes to work with newer kernels
2022-02-13 12:38:11	krux02_	I try the new version then
2022-02-13 12:38:34	krux02_	I mean, worse than no driver installed at all it can't become
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2022-02-13 12:42:58	krux02_	how long should "==> dkms install --no-depmod nvidia/390.147 -k 5.16.8-arch1-1" take? because it is taking a while now
2022-02-13 12:43:05	krux02_	cpu is still busy
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2022-02-13 12:46:09	sheep	it depends on what CPU you have, how much RAM you have, and how big the driver is, but I wouldn't expect it to take longer than 5 minutes
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2022-02-13 12:47:58	Mathisen	hmm what am i doing wrong here. trying to mount one of my samba shares but just getting mount error(115): Operation now in progress 
2022-02-13 12:48:07	pro	update: my libvirtd (which I enabled and rebooted) is dead libvirtd[2516]: this function is not supported by the connection driver: virConnectGetAllDomainStats
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2022-02-13 12:48:32	Mathisen	syntax im using now >> sudo mount -t cifs -v //192/168/1/161/mathisen/ /mnt/backup
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2022-02-13 12:49:04	sheep	shouldn't that be //192.168.1.1/mathisen/ ?
2022-02-13 12:50:16	Mathisen	ehhh i have nothing to say.... dont ask why i have done that
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2022-02-13 12:50:29	Mathisen	thanks yeah it works nwo
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2022-02-13 12:56:02	pro	Ok, fixed it -> solution -> In virt-manager click the File option, then ‘Add Connection’.
2022-02-13 12:56:05	pro	You will get a small dialog, make sure hypervisor is selected to QEMU/KVM and click connect.
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2022-02-13 13:40:29	krux02_	Mathisen, is there a way to test if the gpu driver works without rebooting?
2022-02-13 13:41:06	krux02_	because I have the new driver installed, but I am currently running on a non-rebooted xorg session that happins to use the already deleted driver
2022-02-13 13:41:41	krux02_	Mathisen, sorry I didn't mean to address you, I mean
2022-02-13 13:42:03	krux02_	sheep, ^ can I test the gpu without quitting and rebooting?
2022-02-13 13:42:06	Mathisen	to bad, i felt noticed for a while there.... :) heh
2022-02-13 13:42:40	krux02_	Mathisen, if you can help me here, would be nice as well
2022-02-13 13:43:00	thrice	:D
2022-02-13 13:43:18	ℹ 	krux02_ es conocido ahora como krux02
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2022-02-13 13:53:35	Khorne	krux02, no
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2022-02-13 13:54:22	libc	git clone https://aur.archlinux.org/gns3-gui.git; cd gns3-gui; makepkg -si == 
2022-02-13 13:54:48	thrice	?
2022-02-13 13:54:49	libc	==> Making package: gns3-gui 2.2.29-1 (Sun 13 Feb 2022 02:54:35 PM IST)
2022-02-13 13:54:50	libc	==> Checking runtime dependencies...
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2022-02-13 13:54:52	libc	==> Installing missing dependencies...
2022-02-13 13:54:54	libc	error: target not found: python-sentry_sdk
2022-02-13 13:54:56	thrice	!paste
2022-02-13 13:54:56	libc	==> ERROR: 'pacman' failed to install missing dependencies.
2022-02-13 13:54:56	@phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-02-13 13:54:58	libc	==> Missing dependencies:
2022-02-13 13:55:00	libc	  -> python-jsonschema
2022-02-13 13:55:02	libc	  -> python-psutil
2022-02-13 13:55:04	libc	  -> python-pyqt5
2022-02-13 13:55:06	libc	  -> python-sentry_sdk
2022-02-13 13:55:06	◣	EMIYA ha expulsado libc (flood limit)
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2022-02-13 13:55:37	libc	!paste
2022-02-13 13:55:37	@phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-02-13 13:55:51	thrice	well, why don't you try installing those packages?
2022-02-13 13:56:05	thrice	if they are from the AUR, you need to do that manually
2022-02-13 13:56:22	libc	ls
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2022-02-13 13:56:28	libc	ill try ..
2022-02-13 13:57:36	thrice	at least python-sentry_sdk, the rest seem to be in the repos, at least from your pre-kicked list
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2022-02-13 14:02:00	libc	qt5-websocket target not found although seems in the extra repo in arch site
2022-02-13 14:02:07	libc	pacman -Sy and still not found 
2022-02-13 14:02:37	thrice	extra/qt5-websockets 5.15.2+kde+r7-2 (qt qt5)
2022-02-13 14:03:21	suss	is that a Aur repo
2022-02-13 14:03:36	thrice	libc: makepkg will find it for you
2022-02-13 14:03:47	thrice	you only need to get stuff from the AUR that isn't in the repo
2022-02-13 14:04:00	libc	sure but python_sdk seems to have some aur's of his own 
2022-02-13 14:04:21	thrice	you just posted about qt5-websocket
2022-02-13 14:04:23	thrice	(s)
2022-02-13 14:04:45	libc	yeah that was a mistake in my part
2022-02-13 14:04:57	◣	zawaken (~zawaken@user/zawaken) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-02-13 14:05:00	libc	there must be solution to recursive aurs deps ...
2022-02-13 14:05:39	thrice	there is
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2022-02-13 14:05:58	suss	i just had a compiling issue that dont know why a AUR repo do have to be compiled again from beginning even though i enabled the ccache & cleanMethod=KeepInstalled in pacman.conf/makepkg.conf. Does anyone can figure it out?
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2022-02-13 14:06:13	libc	thrice: inlight me
2022-02-13 14:06:17	cyphertite	thrice:  lols re:  at least from your pre-kicked list.  Also, before they asked and promptly quit, given the connotation of your nick, you were definitely perfectly situated to address this earlier insanity: Zetta1Reid0p | Is there a way to make sudo ask 1 time for password instead of 3 ?  ;p
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2022-02-13 14:06:44	libc	you said it yourself .. makepkg doesn't du aur's 
2022-02-13 14:06:52	libc	do
2022-02-13 14:06:59	Khorne	libc, aur helpers
2022-02-13 14:07:01	thrice	libc: "AUR Helpers" exist mostly to do this.  But usuall not recommended until you know what you're doing
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2022-02-13 14:56:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-13 14:56:33	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1486 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1484 normals)
2022-02-13 14:51:07	trumee	MrElendig: systemctl is also not working for a user in the container
2022-02-13 14:51:22	trumee	MrElendig: systemctl --user status brscan-skey.service returns Failed to connect to bus: No medium found
2022-02-13 14:52:32	MrElendig	cgroups 1 or 2?
2022-02-13 14:52:45	MrElendig	though it should work with v2 too now
2022-02-13 14:52:56	trumee	MrElendig: not sure
2022-02-13 14:52:57	MrElendig	check the logs
2022-02-13 14:56:08	trumee	mount | grep cgroup returns, 
2022-02-13 14:56:08	trumee	cgroup2 on /sys/fs/cgroup type cgroup2 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
2022-02-13 14:56:27	trumee	no guess i am using cgroup2
2022-02-13 14:56:33	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-13 14:57:33	MrElendig	check journalctl -b for obvious errors
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2022-02-13 15:05:20	trumee	MrElendig: is it worth going to cgroup v1, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Cgroups#Enable_cgroup_v1
2022-02-13 15:05:21	@phrik	Title: cgroups - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-02-13 15:06:57	MrElendig	there was some issues before with lxc and v2, but those should be gone now
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2022-02-13 15:16:59	trumee	MrElendig: changing to cgroups v1 did not make a difference
2022-02-13 15:17:28	trumee	MrElendig: funny thing with Ubuntu containers, the normal users can ping. But with Arch they cannot
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2022-02-13 15:19:59	libc	thrice: thanks for the help 
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2022-02-13 15:26:34	MrElendig	check for socket, cap and suid bit
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2022-02-13 15:44:44	ℹ 	obale1 es conocido ahora como obale
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2022-02-13 16:04:34	bertieb	Hey, what can I do to figure out why my keyboard extended function key (cal - XF86Calculator) occasionally seems to cause X to segfault?
2022-02-13 16:05:28	bertieb	I have it mapped to a custom script in Openbox to trigger next song (since I don't have those media keys); it happens rarely but enough to be annoying
2022-02-13 16:05:42	bertieb	Xorg.log.0.old: https://0x0.st/o8zB.old
2022-02-13 16:07:13	bertieb	any advice / thoughts welcome, cheers :)
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2022-02-13 16:14:27	Warepire	bertieb: Will the back trace be more useful if you install the debug package?
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2022-02-13 16:16:47	bertieb	perhaps! let me just remind myself which package it is (set up display ~5 years ago)
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2022-02-13 16:20:13	ugga-the-caveman	hi, i am trying to mount a cifs filesystem via fstab. It doesnt work on boot, but mount -all works.  what am i doing wrong here ?  journalctl says: x-systemd.device-timeout ignored for ...     this is the fstab entry: karsten.lan/motion /mnt/motion cifs _netdev,guest,nofail,x-systemd.device-timeout=10 0 0
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2022-02-13 16:21:17	bertieb	I can't seem to find a debug version of xorg-server, is it something I should compile myself enabling debug symbols?
2022-02-13 16:21:54	TheDcoder	Hi, I am trying to pass-through my GPU and to prevent the Linux kernel from using it I am using the VIFO stub module on it's PCI address but it's not working :-/
2022-02-13 16:22:02	TheDcoder	The GPU driver still gets loaded
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2022-02-13 16:22:23	TheDcoder	Should I blacklist the GPU drivers too?
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2022-02-13 16:31:41	Namarrgon	bertieb: arch doesn't yet have debug symbols for all packages, you'll have to rebuild it manually this time
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2022-02-13 16:34:20	bertieb	Namarrgon: ah righty, I'll look into that, thanks :)
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2022-02-13 16:38:51	Namarrgon	bertieb: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debugging/Getting_traces#Rebuild_packages
2022-02-13 16:38:53	@phrik	Title: Debugging/Getting traces - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-02-13 16:39:12	Namarrgon	bertieb: if the rest of the system is as old as the kernel then -Syu first and make sure it still crashes
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2022-02-13 16:41:46	bertieb	Namarrgon: it's been doing this on and off for a few months now, certain across kernel versions
2022-02-13 16:41:52	bertieb	s/certain/certainly
2022-02-13 16:42:10	bertieb	but I'm probably overdue an -Syu regardless ;-P
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2022-02-13 16:44:50	bertieb	cheers for the link!
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2022-02-13 17:27:00	ℹ 	fling es conocido ahora como contractor
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2022-02-13 17:41:47	txtsd	What kind of network setup is necessary to run protonvpn?
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2022-02-13 17:42:23	txtsd	I have a system-dnetworkd steup. I disabled it and enabled NetworkManager.service instead, but protonvpn is not able to connect to any server.
2022-02-13 17:42:39	txtsd	NetworkManager log shows: Failed to request VPN secrets #3: No agents were available for this request.
2022-02-13 17:42:57	MrElendig	depends on if you want to use openvpn or wireguard
2022-02-13 17:43:03	MrElendig	why proton though=
2022-02-13 17:43:17	txtsd	I just need a quick free vpn to launch steam through another region
2022-02-13 17:43:30	txtsd	I've never used a systemwide vpn before
2022-02-13 17:44:22	MrElendig	don't need it system wide, you can use network namespace
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2022-02-13 20:53:30	agvantibo	Hello. I'm trying to get my initramfs to fsck the root at boot. I've followed the wiki instructions, but to no avail. Surprisingly, the fallback initramfs does check the root, but this is not an optimal solution... Anybody got that to work?
2022-02-13 20:54:13	grawity	can't think of a good reason why that would differ between the two
2022-02-13 20:54:25	grawity	unless the normal initramfs that you're booting isn't actually the initramfs you're generating
2022-02-13 20:55:31	agvantibo	grawity, already checked. I've even rewritten the syslinux config from scratch, and still it refuses to work
2022-02-13 20:55:40	agvantibo	oh
2022-02-13 20:56:10	agvantibo	I might be mistaken though
2022-02-13 21:01:51	baltazar	ok this is pretty weird
2022-02-13 21:02:05	baltazar	the pulseaudio monitor leakage only seems to happen if I have both mpv and chromium running
2022-02-13 21:02:48	baltazar	ah, no, now mpv seems to be sufficient
2022-02-13 21:02:59	baltazar	but once I quit mpv, it resets back to zero
2022-02-13 21:04:01	baltazar	could anyone check if they can reproduce this with mpv running?
2022-02-13 21:04:46	masoudd	What do I run for "pulseaudio monitor"?
2022-02-13 21:05:02	masoudd	you mean pavucontrol?
2022-02-13 21:05:04	thrice	sure
2022-02-13 21:05:28	dondon	interesting ... my motherboard settings wiped due to a dead battery and i wound up having to readd the uefi boot entry
2022-02-13 21:05:57	thrice	baltazar: still fine here:  https://i.imgur.com/nrXFiaB.png
2022-02-13 21:05:59	dondon	non-volatile they said
2022-02-13 21:06:16	dondon	pretty
2022-02-13 21:06:58	baltazar	thrice: it looks normal for me as well, just keeps leaving behind "stuff" (pipewire objects, idk)
2022-02-13 21:07:13	thrice	close it, it instantly disappears
2022-02-13 21:07:24	baltazar	close what?
2022-02-13 21:07:32	thrice	mpv
2022-02-13 21:07:40	thrice	Unless I didn't understand your test
2022-02-13 21:07:43	baltazar	thrice: yes
2022-02-13 21:07:47	baltazar	yes that's true
2022-02-13 21:08:03	baltazar	but it still shouldn't leave anything behind while mpv's running, I think
2022-02-13 21:08:16	thrice	what do you mean "leave behind?"
2022-02-13 21:08:37	baltazar	thrice: check the output of `pw-cli list-objects | grep 'object.path = "Plasma PA:input' | wc`
2022-02-13 21:08:52	baltazar	if I open and close it 3 times, I have 6 things lingering
2022-02-13 21:08:57	baltazar	they are also seen in qpwgraph
2022-02-13 21:09:12	thrice	I have 0 atm
2022-02-13 21:09:17	thrice	(just closed mpv)
2022-02-13 21:09:29	thrice	 λ ~ pw-cli list-objects | grep 'object.path = "Plasma PA:input' | wc 
2022-02-13 21:09:31	thrice	      0       0       0
2022-02-13 21:10:21	baltazar	https://i.imgur.com/nJtW9sr.png
2022-02-13 21:10:53	thrice	well, even with MPV running that still gives me 3 zeros
2022-02-13 21:11:21	baltazar	if you have mpv running, open and close the applet a couple times, then check it?
2022-02-13 21:11:43	thrice	always 0 0 0
2022-02-13 21:11:46	baltazar	hmm
2022-02-13 21:11:58	thrice	just did it 10 times, still 0
2022-02-13 21:12:27	baltazar	hmm wait, do you have pipewire-jack installed?
2022-02-13 21:12:40	thrice	yeah
2022-02-13 21:12:58	thrice	only because mpv needs it
2022-02-13 21:13:57	baltazar	thrice: well, then I don't know what else could be different
2022-02-13 21:14:40	baltazar	oh, I guess one thing could be that I have mpv-mpris installed (from aur)
2022-02-13 21:15:06	thrice	I do disable the "show media applet when music is playing" thing in plasma, though
2022-02-13 21:15:25	thrice	(not that I would think that matters?)
2022-02-13 21:16:03	triteraflops	here's the stack trace I was able to produce with archlinux's debug symbol server and systemd's core dump manager. I got to use both for the first time today :D https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/6831
2022-02-13 21:16:12	baltazar	it wasn't mpv-mpris, it still leaks if I remove it
2022-02-13 21:17:46	baltazar	thrice: well, I guess if it did matter then it would also affect chromium
2022-02-13 21:32:56	gumbo	is there tiling in xfce? i would really like to use xfce. i3 is boring but nice
2022-02-13 21:33:45	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-13 22:33:14	gumbo	Thanks
2022-02-13 22:34:35	King_DuckZ	hi, can I get some help with the network configuration please? I'm just wondering what I should enable, netctl-ifplugd@eth0 or systemd-networkd or both?
2022-02-13 22:35:17	King_DuckZ	and what should I do with networkctl, if anything at all? the problem I'm having is that if I  unplug and replug the ethernet cable network doesn't come back up, I have to reboot
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2022-02-14 11:44:59	weltio	huh interesting
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2022-02-14 11:45:23	weltio	bcfg add myefi "os"
2022-02-14 11:45:24	weltio	boots
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2022-02-14 12:29:22	jdarnley	wtf?!
2022-02-14 12:29:41	jdarnley	Why do I get a popup notification about silence in my weechat terminal?
2022-02-14 12:31:16	jdarnley	oh did I press ctrl + shift + i at some point?
2022-02-14 12:35:34	thrice	yes
2022-02-14 12:35:36	thrice	!next
2022-02-14 12:35:36	@phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-02-14 12:41:22	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-14 12:48:20	tonitch	is there any way to grab google drive with source in pkgbuild ?
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2022-02-14 12:48:57	tonitch	I mean, any way of getting google drive file with command line would be a start
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2022-02-14 12:53:24	tonitch	https://drive.google.com/file/d/1r4mLBaEm9sYzsN2Fg39Mkzv2o36KnMjq/view I found that I can get direct link with https://sites.google.com/site/gdocs2direct/ so it became https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1r4mLBaEm9sYzsN2Fg39Mkzv2o36KnMjq
2022-02-14 12:53:25	@phrik	Title: Google Drive Direct Link Generator (at sites.google.com)
2022-02-14 12:53:36	tonitch	the problem is the advertisment for big file
2022-02-14 12:54:12	AlexC	just use github for that instead
2022-02-14 12:54:21	AlexC	gdrive is not the best for doing this
2022-02-14 12:54:26	mkoskar	jdarnley: curious, is that your terminal key binding to such feature? not familiar
2022-02-14 12:54:29	tonitch	yes but there is no liscence, I don't think I can reupload it
2022-02-14 12:54:42	AlexC	you can re-upload, no problem
2022-02-14 12:55:01	tonitch	'kay
2022-02-14 12:55:10	AlexC	loads of people maintain repositories over github
2022-02-14 12:55:32	libc	i just use it for ocnfigs
2022-02-14 12:55:35	tonitch	yes but they are theirs ? those are not my files
2022-02-14 12:56:32	AlexC	yes, but the kernel you can redistribute on the same license
2022-02-14 12:56:41	AlexC	idk about that firmware what you compiled in
2022-02-14 12:57:04	Aryan	Hi
2022-02-14 12:57:35	Aryan	how u doin guys? My arch won't recognize my bluetooth
2022-02-14 12:58:24	tonitch	Hi Aryan is bluez installed, is bluetooth.service started ? what did you do to connect your device ?
2022-02-14 12:59:03	tonitch	AlexC: thanks, I will do that... I forgot about gpl2 x)
2022-02-14 12:59:42	Aryan	tonitch, Ah, thanks. fixed with starting bluetooth.service
2022-02-14 12:59:51	tonitch	No prob ;)
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2022-02-14 13:06:13	libc	anyway 
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2022-02-14 13:07:00	libc	https://paste.priet.us/r138/ 
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2022-02-14 13:07:17	libc	may work but it seems that Nerd Font doesn't support U+26A0 anymore
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2022-02-14 13:07:38	libc	any suggestion for a font that support all Unicode character ?
2022-02-14 13:07:41	Khorne	stmeme
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2022-02-14 13:08:12	libc	or more accurately
2022-02-14 13:08:13	Khorne	A sane terminal which can make use of fontconfig's fallback mechanism could work
2022-02-14 13:08:40	libc	st support this i just don't have the right fallback font
2022-02-14 13:09:00	libc	Nerd Font doesn't include the "Warning Sign" and that X is kinda annoying on the eyes 
2022-02-14 13:09:27	Khorne	!alltheunicodes
2022-02-14 13:09:28	@phrik	adobe-source-* otf-fira-{mono,sans} ttf-{dejavu,droid,indic-otf,liberation,symbola} otf-ipafont noto-fonts (more or less.)
2022-02-14 13:09:51	libc	:D
2022-02-14 13:09:54	libc	wow
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2022-02-14 13:10:43	Khorne	noto-fonts{,-emoji} is probably your best bet
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2022-02-14 13:14:17	libc	pacmaned
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2022-02-14 13:15:32	weltio	how can i get the uefi naming of my ESP?
2022-02-14 13:16:02	weltio	the mapping like pciroot(0x0), ...
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2022-02-14 13:17:59	libc	yeah it works !
2022-02-14 13:18:09	libc	i just need to find a way to incorporate this into SauceCode pro
2022-02-14 13:18:18	libc	Khorne: thanks
2022-02-14 13:18:25	jdarnley	mkoskar: yes a feature of konsole it seems
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2022-02-14 13:20:39	libc	Khorne: :X
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2022-02-14 13:20:48	Khorne	?
2022-02-14 13:20:54	libc	it's a kiss
2022-02-14 13:22:04	⚡ 	libc wander if that was a bit too wierd
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2022-02-14 13:22:57	Khorne	I thought :* is the kiss and :x is the i said nothing emoji
2022-02-14 13:23:02	teraflops	libc: nah, I recall making a font with all the glyphs I needed because dzen wasn't unable to use fontconfig's fallback font mechanism
2022-02-14 13:23:13	mkoskar	jdarnley: ah ok interesting, never used konsole myself
2022-02-14 13:23:24	libc	teraflops: yeah but Khorne solution was working for me
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2022-02-14 13:23:52	teraflops	sure, you just needed a fallback font in st's config as steted yesterday
2022-02-14 13:24:00	teraflops	stated^
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2022-02-14 13:33:18	vicecea	hi, I wonder if there's an easy, comfortable way to run a command in a oneshot-kind of 'namespace' or what have you, to limit the resulting process to having write-access only to a set of directories that I specify, ideally without requiring root-rights, if someone is aware of a simple-to-use "wrapper" like such, I'd appreciate some pointers in the right direction(s), thanks
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2022-02-14 13:35:17	Khorne	sudo -u <userthathasonlywriteaccesstosomedirectories> software
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2022-02-14 13:35:49	Feri	Hello everyone
2022-02-14 13:35:51	BrainDamage	systemd-run
2022-02-14 13:36:04	Feri	I've lost my audo suddenly and can't find Why!
2022-02-14 13:36:09	Feri	Can you help me?
2022-02-14 13:36:18	vicecea	BrainDamage: looks interesting! thanks!
2022-02-14 13:36:35	Feri	amixer shows 72% volume level but nothing plays out of speakers
2022-02-14 13:36:59	Gagis	I was about to suggest systemd-nspawn but -run actually seems more approppriate
2022-02-14 13:37:08	Gagis	nspawn may be overkill
2022-02-14 13:37:13	Feri	This happend in the middle of a youtube video and everyhthing were ok preior to that
2022-02-14 13:38:10	Feri	Any Idea?
2022-02-14 13:38:24	Khorne	Your speaker blew
2022-02-14 13:38:50	Gagis	have you checked if the selected audio device is still the correct one?
2022-02-14 13:39:03	Feri	Gagis: How can I do that?!
2022-02-14 13:39:17	Feri	Khorne: I wish that not be the case man
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2022-02-14 13:39:23	Gagis	I'd just check the audio settings of gome, kde or whatever you are using
2022-02-14 13:40:01	Feri	Gagis: I'm a Qtile newbie :( I have no app for that
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2022-02-14 13:40:13	ℹ 	aya es conocido ahora como gyara
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2022-02-14 13:40:20	Khorne	pavucontrol
2022-02-14 13:41:01	Feri	Khorne: Thanks
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2022-02-14 13:41:48	Khorne	Also amixer? Are you actually using userspace ALSA?
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2022-02-14 13:42:39	Feri	Khorne: Yes It was working well this morning
2022-02-14 13:42:43	Khorne	lol
2022-02-14 13:42:45	Khorne	Good luck friend
2022-02-14 13:42:56	Khorne	!bail
2022-02-14 13:42:57	@phrik	Looks like Khorne is bailing out on this one - good luck!
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2022-02-14 13:45:52	Feri	Its fixed!!!
2022-02-14 13:46:05	Feri	I really like to know WHY :/
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2022-02-14 13:46:22	Feri	pavucontrol, what did it do!
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2022-02-14 13:47:16	Khorne	It's the pulse audio volume mixer..
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2022-02-14 13:47:23	Khorne	Output Controller, whatever
2022-02-14 13:48:12	Feri	Yeah I think I know why, When I mute the volume It never comes back
2022-02-14 13:48:42	Feri	I use sxhkd for that
2022-02-14 13:49:35	Feri	is "amixer -q sset Master toggle" currect for muting?
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2022-02-14 14:01:20	vicecea	BrainDamage: worked perfectly, thanks a ton :)
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2022-02-14 14:38:24	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-14 14:10:34	libc	Khorne: is on fire today
2022-02-14 14:38:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-14 15:20:01	Earnestly	Does anyone here know xslt well enough to say if there's a better way to express: choose when test=$foo value-of select=$foo otherwise fallback.  It feels very redundant, I wish there was a kind of $foo // fallback notation
2022-02-14 15:20:11	Earnestly	(for xslt 1.0)
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2022-02-14 15:22:10	Foxboron	I dont recall if xpath or xslt had scopes you could use for that
2022-02-14 15:22:17	Foxboron	I did things like that manymany years ago
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2022-02-14 15:24:21	Earnestly	Also am I mad, but can call-template with-param accept params that work with for-each select="$paramvalue"; because while it appears to work, my value-of's don't find anything
2022-02-14 15:24:52	Earnestly	with-param that accepts params work with*
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2022-02-14 15:26:01	Earnestly	I kind of want to do: call-template with-param=foo for-each select=foo ... instead of for-each select=foo call-template ...
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2022-02-14 15:27:12	Earnestly	That doesn't really matter though, just find the whole choose 'when $thing use $thing' dance to be annoying
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2022-02-14 15:33:43	arun_	I am using linux-zen. it has virtual box modules inbuilt. How doI avoid installing virtualbox-host-dkms & virtualbox-host-modules-arch when installing virtualbox?
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2022-02-14 15:34:09	thrice	linux-zen has vbox modules built-in?
2022-02-14 15:34:14	Scimmia	It has the guest modules, not the host modules AFAIK
2022-02-14 15:34:24	Namarrgon	correct
2022-02-14 15:34:45	arun_	Oh. okay. Thanks. I got confused.
2022-02-14 15:34:51	thrice	CONFIG_VBOXGUEST=m
2022-02-14 15:34:52	thrice	huh, TIL
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2022-02-14 15:37:59	libc	i try rsync --delete and after that --delete-excluded 
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2022-02-14 15:38:09	libc	but i still have directories in the recieving that i don't have in the source
2022-02-14 15:38:40	libc	the full command is .. rsync -aAX --delete --relative <files...>
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2022-02-14 15:39:04	libc	i want an exact copy of whateveri have on the host to be updated to the git repo 
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2022-02-14 15:53:27	jelle	thrice: yup, it has been mainlined
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2022-02-14 16:06:25	Earnestly	xsl is funny, even refactors to use templates instead of repeating them, still more-or-less results in same amount of code.  Facinating stuff
2022-02-14 16:06:45	Earnestly	At least for 3x things
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2022-02-14 16:20:59	Earnestly	Maybe some day https://github.com/ballsteve/xrust
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2022-02-14 17:03:55	ℹ 	cedb es conocido ahora como ouestbillie
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2022-02-14 17:05:06	ouestbillie	most of the instructions on setting up gpg with mutt point to sourcing a .gpg.rc file with examples in various places on different os/distros but I can't find one in /usr/share/docs/mutt, I take it this is by design, are there any arch provided guidelines for crafting one ?
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2022-02-14 17:09:38	Khorne	ouestbillie, its in /usr/share/doc/mutt/samples
2022-02-14 17:09:52	ouestbillie	oh, thanks
2022-02-14 17:10:02	Khorne	pacman -F, etc
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2022-02-14 17:10:12	ouestbillie	fair etc
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2022-02-14 17:10:22	ouestbillie	didnt get much sleep from my DNS bs last night heh
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2022-02-14 17:13:57	rassawyer	!paste
2022-02-14 17:13:58	@phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-02-14 17:14:16	rassawyer	!ix
2022-02-14 17:14:17	@phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
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2022-02-14 17:15:47	rassawyer	!rs
2022-02-14 17:15:47	@phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2022-02-14 17:16:25	libc	what's wrong with rsync -aAX -relative --delete-excluded ... it doesn't delete files in reciever not in source 
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2022-02-14 17:17:20	ouestbillie	libc: can you rephrase?
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2022-02-14 17:18:07	libc	ouestbillie: i try to delete files and directories in the recieving side that is not mentioned explicitly in the source files 
2022-02-14 17:18:22	ouestbillie	thats --delete
2022-02-14 17:18:30	libc	it doesn't work ..
2022-02-14 17:18:32	libc	i tried
2022-02-14 17:18:56	ouestbillie	you tried --delete-excluded /then/ tried --delete ?
2022-02-14 17:19:15	libc	the other way around
2022-02-14 17:19:44	libc	 i still have directories that in reciever that i don't have ( and didn't mentioned ) in source
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2022-02-14 17:20:24	libc	the full command is rsync -aAX -relative --delete
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2022-02-14 17:20:45	libc	the full command is rsync -aAX -relative --delete <files and directories> <dest>
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2022-02-14 17:24:09	rassawyer	Anyone good at deciphering Nouveau logs?
2022-02-14 17:24:38	rassawyer	And where do would I upload them? ix.io, and paste.rs are giving me 500s
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2022-02-14 17:25:07	rassawyer	I'm guessing it is too long... (15k+ lines)
2022-02-14 17:25:55	NoImNotNineVolt	i don't think anyone here is going to want to read 15k+ lines of logs
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2022-02-14 17:26:40	NoImNotNineVolt	perhaps share only the relevant exerpt?
2022-02-14 17:26:45	NoImNotNineVolt	+c
2022-02-14 17:27:20	rassawyer	that is the relevant part....
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2022-02-15 09:15:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-15 09:15:06	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1493 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1491 normals)
2022-02-15 08:52:18	post-factum	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73797
2022-02-15 08:52:20	@phrik	Title: FS#73797 : [glibc] C.UTF-8 generation errors out (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-02-15 08:53:38	jelle	nice testing
2022-02-15 08:54:00	Ghosthree3	so this is the power of glibc 2.35, my computer feels much better now
2022-02-15 09:15:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-15 09:56:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-15 10:00:04	bq	Oh is it finally out
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2022-02-15 10:00:11	bq	nice 2022-02-14 20:31 UTC
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2022-02-15 10:00:32	Ghosthree3	everything just werking for me
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2022-02-15 10:16:27	Ghosthree3	looks like people using the lts kernel might have some problems though
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2022-02-15 10:17:32	bq	noice
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2022-02-15 10:18:37	bq	Cripes I needa cut down on packages, that was 1.4 GB download
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2022-02-15 10:19:22	bq	well, packages are getting bigger too. I remember when the kernel was only 70 MB, now it's 150+
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2022-02-15 10:20:36	ℹ 	lordrishav_ es conocido ahora como LordRishav
2022-02-15 10:21:47	Ghosthree3	the arch install i had in 2016 where i had a 50M sized /boot and 20G / would not survive today
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2022-02-15 10:25:24	shibboleth	20g would be sufficient for the userland, but two kernel versions and initramfs on 50mb boot? nah
2022-02-15 10:25:44	AlexC	my arch install is only 7 gig
2022-02-15 10:25:45	Ghosthree3	yea the 20G is manageable if you live very light
2022-02-15 10:25:57	Ghosthree3	and use other disks for storage
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2022-02-15 10:27:02	Ghosthree3	i had to drop the fallback initramfs to make kernel + initramfs fit in /boot though lmao. idk what the hell i was thinking making it 50M, first real linux system though, i resized it later when it would no longer fit
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2022-02-15 10:27:26	AlexC	for me on the lts my boot is 62 megs
2022-02-15 10:27:30	Ghosthree3	AlexC: yea but /home can inflate pretty quick, and VMs, 20G is very small taking those into account
2022-02-15 10:27:46	ℹ 	m5zs7k_ es conocido ahora como m5zs7k
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2022-02-15 10:27:47	AlexC	ye I separated /home as always
2022-02-15 10:27:53	Ghosthree3	i dont, and never will
2022-02-15 10:27:56	AlexC	for root would be enough
2022-02-15 10:28:02	Ghosthree3	/ and /boot are the only partitions i make
2022-02-15 10:28:30	ChristianJacobs	Same as Ghost for me. Don't even thing I separated it first time I installed.
2022-02-15 10:28:46	Ghosthree3	AlexC: ohh your lts boot stuff is 62M, for me rn the kernel image is 9.8M, the initramfs is 37M, and the fallback is 81M
2022-02-15 10:28:51	ChristianJacobs	I can see the benefit, but it honestly sounds like a hassle.
2022-02-15 10:28:55	AlexC	sometimes it's handy, i prefer that way
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2022-02-15 10:29:12	Ghosthree3	i can only see downsides _unless_ you regularly reinstall the distro OR distro hop OR dual boot distros and want to share /home
2022-02-15 10:29:19	Ghosthree3	if you just use the one system forever i only see pain
2022-02-15 10:29:33	AlexC	my initramfs fallback is 32 megs
2022-02-15 10:29:52	AlexC	normal initramfs is only 9 megs
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2022-02-15 10:31:31	bq	ugh pacman is doing that thing where it says a signature failed but won't say which package it's for
2022-02-15 10:31:43	Ghosthree3	AlexC: what? my normal kernel image is 10M, initramfs 37M and fallback 86M, how the hell is your fallback 32M
2022-02-15 10:31:43	bq	I never remember what causes this, it's some corner case like strange permissions on nfs share
2022-02-15 10:32:02	Ghosthree3	bq: any time i get gpg errors i just pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring then -Syu and it usually works
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2022-02-15 10:33:00	alMalsamo	Hi all what is the recommended way to download Gnus in ARch?
2022-02-15 10:33:42	bq	Ghosthree3, yeah nah this is a pacman bug I found and never fixed a few years ago, not related to actual signature failures 
2022-02-15 10:33:52	Gagis	alMalsamo, gnus?
2022-02-15 10:34:01	AlexC	Ghosthree3: http://pastebin.com/4s5s2dBi
2022-02-15 10:34:02	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o8bx.txt
2022-02-15 10:34:02	@phrik	Title: [sanyi@streamnezolaptop boot]$ ls -latotal 50608drwxr-xr-x 5 root root - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-02-15 10:34:16	Ghosthree3	bq: i sort of know what you're talking about because i think i had it years ago too but yea, i cant remember the fix
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2022-02-15 10:34:36	bq	IIRC it's due to root_squash or something in that sort of flavour. I'll track it down (again) :)
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2022-02-15 10:35:18	Ghosthree3	AlexC: very smol, idk why mine are huge, maybe dracut is bloating them up with all its built in modules (probably the case), not that it matters https://0bin.net/paste/ylIemwan#kBBjkc8ajFtaB0xxX29XDun1olDQC8PV9d4g2pu9BX-
2022-02-15 10:35:18	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o8bY.txt
2022-02-15 10:35:19	@phrik	Title: 0bin - encrypted pastebin (at 0bin.net)
2022-02-15 10:36:09	ℹ 	lordrishav_ es conocido ahora como LordRishav
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2022-02-15 10:38:42	alMalsamo	Gagis: Yeah it's an SMTP/IMAP client written in Emacs Lisp
2022-02-15 10:39:33	Khorne	Within emacs then :')
2022-02-15 10:39:36	Gagis	doesn't it come bundled with emacs?
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2022-02-15 10:45:22	AlexC	Ghosthree3, note that, this laptop is fairly old
2022-02-15 10:45:38	AlexC	so probably lot of the stuff just cutted down
2022-02-15 10:45:56	Ghosthree3	shouldnt fallback include everything though, isnt that the point
2022-02-15 10:46:33	AlexC	no idea
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2022-02-15 11:42:43	VinnySauce	Hi all, I'm having a libcrypt error when trying to start MATLAB on Arch, any ideas?
2022-02-15 11:42:48	VinnySauce	/usr/local/MATLAB/R2021a/bin/glnxa64/MATLAB: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypt.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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2022-02-15 11:52:16	Khorne	Rebuild matlab after the libxcrypt Update I guess?
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2022-02-15 11:52:40	Khorne	Does matlab even come as source?
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2022-02-15 11:54:15	tundra	you can try installing libxcrypt-compat from AUR
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2022-02-15 11:58:24	beest	the matlab pkgbuild in the aur to get it to play nice with arch is a mouthful, it's a wonder it runs at all
2022-02-15 11:58:31	beest	it's also ood apparently
2022-02-15 11:58:58	beest	and yes, it's not open source
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2022-02-15 12:00:51	beest	and looking at the wiki it ships with a static libcrypt
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2022-02-15 13:09:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-15 13:09:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-15 13:18:34	jonathon	possibly related: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73799
2022-02-15 13:18:35	@phrik	Title: FS#73799 : [glibc] 2.35-1 missing libcrypt.so.1 (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2022-02-15 13:41:10	krumelmonster	I'm trying to build an archiso containing zfs-dkms from http://archzfs.com/$repo/x86_64 but it doesn't seem to be possible to choose yes when asked "Import PGP key DDF7DB817396A49B2A2723F7403BD972F75D9D76? [Y/n]"
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2022-02-15 13:41:47	jonathon	VinnySauce: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73799#comment205937
2022-02-15 13:41:48	@phrik	Title: FS#73799 : [glibc] 2.35-1 missing libcrypt.so.1 (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-02-15 13:42:03	jelle	jonathon: the AUR package should just depend on the compat thing
2022-02-15 13:42:20	jonathon	yup, that was the comment i was linking to :)
2022-02-15 13:42:33	jelle	ah nice!
2022-02-15 13:43:07	BrainDamage	do I understand correctly that if I have a path mounted as overlay I can still edit the lower path, would the changes reflect on the overlaid path unless overwritten by a conflicted edit?
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2022-02-15 13:43:42	jonathon	hmm.. I wonder if vincencb and VinnySauce are the same person... :/
2022-02-15 13:44:30	krumelmonster	output of mkarchiso: http://ix.io/3PFE
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2022-02-15 13:45:50	grawity	BrainDamage: I'll go with "no" https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/filesystems/overlayfs.html#changes-to-underlying-filesystems
2022-02-15 13:45:51	@phrik	Title: Overlay Filesystem — The Linux Kernel documentation (at www.kernel.org)
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2022-02-15 13:47:22	BrainDamage	thanks, didn't know that page existed even
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2022-02-15 13:48:04	grawity	I grepped ~/src/linux/Documentation first, then went to search for an HTML version
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2022-02-15 14:02:06	weltio	how can i get the current parrtable (before partprobe)
2022-02-15 14:02:16	krumelmonster	mkarchiso doesn't use my systems keydb, right? Then where can I put a key to be trusted when building the image?
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2022-02-15 14:05:36	h3ck	hello, today my wlp3s0 interface vanished and I got disconnected. Although rebooting brought it back, but I am not at all sure what might've caused it
2022-02-15 14:05:52	BrainDamage	check the journal
2022-02-15 14:06:04	h3ck	the only processes running (or I was using) was Firefox and an application over wine
2022-02-15 14:08:35	grawity	uhh, change how?
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2022-02-15 14:08:58	grawity	root is mounted according to root= in your kernel command line
2022-02-15 14:09:03	grawity	unless you're using dracut, I guess
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2022-02-15 14:09:23	grawity	so check /proc/cmdline to make sure that got updated
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2022-02-15 14:49:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-15 14:49:04	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1522 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1521 normals)
2022-02-15 14:11:18	grawity	then you're booting something else than the efibootmgr entry
2022-02-15 14:11:51	grawity	/proc/cmdline doesn't take information from any other sources except... the kernel's command line
2022-02-15 14:12:23	grawity	so if the efibootmgr entry says something different, I guess you might have two entries?
2022-02-15 14:12:32	grawity	or are actually booting through grub or whatever?
2022-02-15 14:12:33	phrik	Title: Pastery - The sweetest pastebin in the world! (at www.pastery.net)
2022-02-15 14:13:53	grawity	entries for devices don't refresh automatically, the firmware adds/removes them during reboot
2022-02-15 14:15:10	Abdullah	so I got a new SD card from a local market. It is 32GBs. I tried to dd it with zeros this way. `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb` . after sometime I got this error. No space left on device. 16575889408 bytes (17 GB, 15 GiB) copied, 616.863 s, 26.9 MB/s
2022-02-15 14:15:56	Abdullah	is that mean the SD card is just 17 GBs limit. and it isn't really a 32GB card.
2022-02-15 14:16:07	grawity	what size does `lsblk` show for it?
2022-02-15 14:17:00	Abdullah	http://0x0.st/o8c3.png here is the screenshot for what I have done.
2022-02-15 14:17:31	Abdullah	grawity: sdb      8:16   1 60.8M  0 disk
2022-02-15 14:17:33	Abdullah	└─sdb1   8:17   1 60.7M  0 part
2022-02-15 14:17:41	grawity	hmm can you `ls -l /dev/sdb` just in case
2022-02-15 14:18:03	Abdullah	grawity:  brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 16 Feb 15 18:12 /dev/sdb
2022-02-15 14:18:05	grawity	and also check the end of `dmesg` 
2022-02-15 14:19:17	Abdullah	device offline.
2022-02-15 14:19:35	Abdullah	yeah that is what it shows in windows as well
2022-02-15 14:19:47	Abdullah	lemme create a vfat partition on it
2022-02-15 14:20:16	grawity	yeah hence the question about dmesg
2022-02-15 14:20:39	grawity	it *could* start reporting SCSI errors past a certain point, but I'm not sure if those can actually map to "no space"
2022-02-15 14:22:07	grawity	USB Mass Storage talks SCSI commands
2022-02-15 14:22:51	Abdullah	formatted to fat32
2022-02-15 14:23:22	grawity	though afaik it's not *full* SCSI, just a very basic subset (which is why UASP was created – that one *is* mostly full SCSI)
2022-02-15 14:25:29	Abdullah	How can I make it writeable for my user? I can't touch something there
2022-02-15 14:25:37	Abdullah	mounted on ~/mnt
2022-02-15 14:25:48	grawity	specify the correct uid= as a mount option
2022-02-15 14:26:26	grawity	that does a very different thing
2022-02-15 14:26:39	grawity	no
2022-02-15 14:27:10	grawity	yeah but they work fine not *because* of nosuid
2022-02-15 14:27:16	grawity	but despite it
2022-02-15 14:27:32	grawity	nosuid just makes the kernel ignore u+s or g+s permissions on executables
2022-02-15 14:27:56	grawity	(which 1) only applies to executables in that filesystem, 2) only applies if the filesystem can store Unix permissions in the first place)
2022-02-15 14:49:04	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-15 14:58:04	pinkPenguin	I installed arch linux today and I noticed that polkitd doesn't come with base or base-devel. Why's that?
2022-02-15 14:58:05	◣	nsol (~nsol@187.147.43.38) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-02-15 14:58:32	Scimmia	why would it?
2022-02-15 14:59:42	pinkPenguin	I had to use nmtui with sudo
2022-02-15 14:59:53	pinkPenguin	or root
2022-02-15 14:59:53	Scimmia	right...
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2022-02-15 15:00:18	pinkPenguin	and had to type sudo to reboot/poweroff
2022-02-15 15:00:34	Khorne	base doesn't even come with a kernel, why would it come with polkit?
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2022-02-15 15:00:42	Khorne	If you want polkit, install it
2022-02-15 15:01:02	Gagis	base really is minimal. tho polkit is pulled as dependency of most desktop environments if you want to install one isnt it?
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2022-02-15 15:01:27	pinkPenguin	but, back then it was come with base or something
2022-02-15 15:01:48	pinkPenguin	so, does devs recently removed this? I'm just curious
2022-02-15 15:02:07	Khorne	https://archlinux.org/news/base-group-replaced-by-mandatory-base-package-manual-intervention-required/
2022-02-15 15:02:08	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: `base` group replaced by mandatory `base` package - manual intervention required (at archlinux.org)
2022-02-15 15:02:11	Khorne	Yes, recently in 2019
2022-02-15 15:02:42	Khorne	if it even was in there before and you didn't pull it some other way
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2022-02-15 15:10:00	pinkPenguin	how do I enable spell checking in hexchat? I have installed aspell, enchant
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2022-02-15 15:27:27	petersutton	Getting hung uninterruptable processes when attempting to connect to BT devices that aren't in range. Have to SysReq and reboot.
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2022-02-15 15:45:14	ℹ 	indux1 es conocido ahora como indux
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2022-02-15 15:49:28	thrice	pinkPenguin: just guessing from google, settings -> preferences -> interface -> input ?
2022-02-15 15:52:41	pinkPenguin	thrice: I just installed hunspell and hunspell-en_us, and it's working
2022-02-15 15:53:14	thrice	Optional Deps   : enchant: Spell check
2022-02-15 15:53:16	thrice	"huh"
2022-02-15 15:53:36	thrice	oh, enchant has optional dep on hunspell, aspell, etc
2022-02-15 15:53:40	thrice	classic linux :D :D
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2022-02-15 16:03:18	Earnestly	api for apis
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2022-02-15 16:28:29	vd	I'm using sfdisk -d foo | sfdisk bar, but the last partition of foo is larger, already resize to max available space, thus sfdisk fails. Is there a way to workaround this?
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2022-02-15 16:30:47	vd	i.e. is there a way to ommit the size= argument of the last line, without editing the first sfdisk output
2022-02-15 16:31:07	ℹ 	obale1 es conocido ahora como obale
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2022-02-15 16:34:13	ℹ 	arch-angel es conocido ahora como arch-angel_
2022-02-15 16:34:15	ℹ 	arch-angel_ es conocido ahora como arch-angel
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2022-02-15 16:47:11	Elodin	I got an Acer laptop and i'm trying to install archlinux in it but i can't find its nvme disk once i boot the archlinux iso
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2022-02-15 16:53:01	andrew_	how can I list all bound ports? (ports in use by the local machine -ignoring the firewall-)
2022-02-15 16:53:49	jelle	ss -tulpn would list ports
2022-02-15 16:54:00	jelle	but you'll have to do filtering yourself
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2022-02-15 16:55:03	squatch	Elodin: what model?
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2022-02-15 16:55:13	andrew_	thank you
2022-02-15 16:55:15	Elodin	squatch: A515
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2022-02-15 17:00:59	squatch	Elodin: Dumb question from me. Looks like this laptop doesn't come with a NVME SSD, you put one in right?
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2022-02-15 17:02:31	Scimmia	looks like it has one to me
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2022-02-15 17:02:59	scientiac	any updates here?
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2022-02-15 17:03:46	Elodin	squatch: okay, it's not nvme, it's ssd. Still i can't see it.
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2022-02-15 17:04:15	Scimmia	Elodin: which install disk are you booting? Latest?
2022-02-15 17:04:18	Elodin	I read somewhere it's cuz rst from intel
2022-02-15 17:04:25	Elodin	Scimmia: yes just downloaded
2022-02-15 17:04:39	Elodin	I had to disable secure boot to do so
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2022-02-15 17:05:16	Scimmia	rst? Disable that
2022-02-15 17:05:27	Elodin	I don't know how
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2022-02-15 17:05:43	Elodin	Sata Mode: says: RT with Optane
2022-02-15 17:05:50	Elodin	s/RT/RST
2022-02-15 17:06:12	demonicmaniac1	did you just disable secure boot or did you set it to csm legacy boot?
2022-02-15 17:06:14	Scimmia	no option in the firmware settings? I haven't dealt with that before
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2022-02-15 17:06:19	demonicmaniac1	nvme in general doesn't work on most laptops in legacy csm
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2022-02-15 17:07:55	Exa	Hi, randomly when using kitty (on i3-gaps), all my terminals freeze and displays a buggy frame (e.g. if I change back and forth to another workspace, I'll see another application content in all my terminal windows).  The issue is that I have unsaved work right now, I wish I could unfreeze my terminals right now...  Any idea?
2022-02-15 17:09:02	dondon	!paste
2022-02-15 17:09:03	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-02-15 17:09:07	Exa	I'll probably move to another terminal emulator for my work since it's not stable anymore
2022-02-15 17:09:09	Scimmia	Elodin: which A515 is it, exactly?
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2022-02-16 11:22:21	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-16 11:22:21	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1490 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1489 normals)
2022-02-16 03:57:16	phrik	https://i.imgur.com/NltIsAs.gif
2022-02-16 03:57:30	sheep	do you have an arch ISO that you can boot with?
2022-02-16 03:57:38	f33f046c-a02e	yeah I have it
2022-02-16 03:57:49	f33f046c-a02e	but I don't think we have 2.34 in repo
2022-02-16 03:57:52	f33f046c-a02e	for glibc
2022-02-16 03:58:17	thrice	doesn't matter, you just need everything up to date
2022-02-16 03:58:25	sheep	you could try using pacman from the ISO to do a full upgrade. If everything is mounted at /mnt outside of chroot then you can try pacman -r /mnt -Syu
2022-02-16 03:58:46	f33f046c-a02e	let me try that
2022-02-16 03:59:44	Elodin	Hi, i plugged a usb drive in my laptop but i can't read it: error openning no such device or address
2022-02-16 03:59:58	Elodin	if i try rebooting it takes forever to reboot cuz something is hanging
2022-02-16 04:04:15	f33f046c-a02e	wierd, still isn't working after `pacman -r /mnt -Syu`, what else could I look into?
2022-02-16 04:04:55	sheep	what messahes are you getting now?
2022-02-16 04:05:01	sheep	*messages
2022-02-16 04:05:16	Elodin	I have a disk hanging if i try to reboot it takes forever. Error message: cannot open /dev/sdc: No such device or address
2022-02-16 04:05:26	Elodin	it's a usb drive/key
2022-02-16 04:06:11	Namarrgon	what is on that drive?
2022-02-16 04:06:18	sheep	Elodin: is there anything interesting about sdc in dmesg?
2022-02-16 04:06:44	Elodin	Namarrgon: I was trying to setup Ventoy
2022-02-16 04:06:55	f33f046c-a02e	sheep: this is what I get - https://imgur.com/G060zKD
2022-02-16 04:06:57	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2022-02-16 04:07:51	thrice	f33f046c-a02e: did you rebuild your initramfs?
2022-02-16 04:08:13	f33f046c-a02e	let me do that
2022-02-16 04:09:14	thrice	perhaps the libc.so in the initramfs is old
2022-02-16 04:09:33	Namarrgon	Elodin: does the drive work in any other system?
2022-02-16 04:10:29	f33f046c-a02e	thrice: seems to have fixed it
2022-02-16 04:10:35	f33f046c-a02e	thanks!
2022-02-16 04:10:55	thrice	f33f046c-a02e: not sure how that happened, must have rebuilt the initramfs at a time when you had old glibc, but newer systemd
2022-02-16 04:11:01	thrice	either way, no more partial updates !
2022-02-16 04:11:04	thrice	:-)
2022-02-16 04:14:11	Elodin	Namarrgon: yes just plugged at another box and as able to access the disk
2022-02-16 04:14:43	Namarrgon	Elodin: can you post the kernel log when you plug it in post-boot?
2022-02-16 04:16:50	Elodin	Namarrgon: https://termbin.com/6o4d
2022-02-16 04:17:29	Namarrgon	which OS does he other box use?
2022-02-16 04:17:44	Elodin	Archlinux, or windows
2022-02-16 04:18:23	Elodin	I plug the disk. Mount with gnome-disks, use itt but when i try umounting it... it just freezes
2022-02-16 04:18:34	Elodin	and i have to restart the box
2022-02-16 04:20:01	Namarrgon	judging by the kernel log this things ready for the recycler
2022-02-16 04:20:02	Elodin	from that point on the /dev/sdx is locked
2022-02-16 04:20:09	Elodin	oh
2022-02-16 04:20:53	Namarrgon	have you tried different usb ports?
2022-02-16 04:21:08	Namarrgon	it's weird that you don'T have any issues on the other system
2022-02-16 04:22:17	Elodin	i'm gonna reboot
2022-02-16 04:22:55	Elodin	How can i skip this umounting that is pending?
2022-02-16 04:45:19	espresso	jumping in late here but do you mean like a long wait for unmount (e.g. nvidia)?
2022-02-16 04:46:08	Namarrgon	they probably meant the broken blockdevice
2022-02-16 04:59:47	Corshine	is there anyone use zoom on arch? it keep crashing on my laptop
2022-02-16 05:00:21	Namarrgon	someone mentioned it broke with the glibc update
2022-02-16 05:05:35	Corshine	Namarrgon: yeah 
2022-02-16 05:05:41	dondon	logs should be in ~/.zoom/logs
2022-02-16 05:05:42	Corshine	is there any alternative?
2022-02-16 05:05:54	Namarrgon	isn't there a web version?
2022-02-16 05:07:01	sheep	there's a flatpak version
2022-02-16 05:09:18	norbert	Corshine: just tried here on Arch up to date as of 10min ago, and had no problem.
2022-02-16 05:11:54	jensen	is it possible to reset build chroot /var/lib/aurbuild without a PKGBUILD?
2022-02-16 05:12:41	Namarrgon	how did you create the chroot?
2022-02-16 05:13:27	jensen	i'm just usuing aurutils
2022-02-16 05:15:50	Betal	how one configure a btrfs scrub .timer/.service if it contains multiple subvolumes? only point to one subvolume and it take care of the entire partition?
2022-02-16 05:16:37	norbert	Betal: do you mean in /etc/default/btrfsmaintenance?
2022-02-16 05:17:32	norbert	I use `BTRFS_SCRUB_MOUNTPOINTS="auto"` which scrubs all subvols.
2022-02-16 05:18:30	Betal	norbert: what call that file?
2022-02-16 05:18:40	Betal	I can't find a reference for it
2022-02-16 05:19:05	norbert	It comes from the btrfsmaintainence package
2022-02-16 05:19:22	norbert	This package provides the necessary timers etc to get running.
2022-02-16 05:20:10	norbert	You configure /etc/default/btrfsmaintenance, and then start/enable the various btrfs timers
2022-02-16 05:26:55	Namarrgon	jensen: i don't see anything in the manual that boils down to a single aur-chroot call
2022-02-16 05:30:16	jeramiah	I would like to make a change to an AUR packagebuild maintained by someone else, to support another architecture. Does anyone know the proper procedure for this?
2022-02-16 05:30:20	jensen	my /var/lib/aurbuild was corrupt, half way during an update it crashed and i couldn't update aur packages with aurutils (or even extra-x86_64-build when providing it with a PKGBUILD). just now i had to delete the entire directory and aur sync --upgrades --chroot was able to install from scratch and fix the entire thing
2022-02-16 05:31:19	jensen	s/and fix the entire thing/able to install packages with a PKGBUILD/
2022-02-16 05:33:19	Namarrgon	jensen: contact the maintainer and/or post a link to your modifications in the comments
2022-02-16 05:33:26	Namarrgon	jeramiah: ^
2022-02-16 05:38:14	jeramiah	Thanks Namarrgon - when you say a link, would that typically be a pastebin with a patch in it?
2022-02-16 05:56:10	Namarrgon	jeramiah: paste, git repo, etc
2022-02-16 06:05:53	jtgd	I've just noticed that the "xset m ..." command does not work. Nothing changes no matter what numbers I put. Is there some other way to do that now?
2022-02-16 06:06:18	jtgd	this is mouse pointer acceleration and threshold
2022-02-16 06:21:30	jtgd	I guess it's xinput.
2022-02-16 06:41:48	yrdsb	hi
2022-02-16 06:41:53	yrdsb	how do i install arch linux
2022-02-16 06:41:55	yrdsb	 i dont know how
2022-02-16 06:42:37	thurstylark	!give yrdsb aw install guide
2022-02-16 06:42:38	phrik	yrdsb: Install guide - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_guide
2022-02-16 06:42:55	yrdsb	that wont hel
2022-02-16 06:42:58	yrdsb	how do i install
2022-02-16 06:43:01	yrdsb	i am struggling
2022-02-16 06:43:04	yrdsb	even with the guide
2022-02-16 06:43:16	thurstylark	what are you struggling with?
2022-02-16 06:43:22	yrdsb	installing arch
2022-02-16 06:43:33	jeramiah	cross your breast and spin around 3 times
2022-02-16 06:43:34	thurstylark	no, what part of the guide are you struggling with?
2022-02-16 06:43:35	yrdsb	I tried ubuntu 21.10 and i had problem
2022-02-16 06:43:38	yrdsb	the first part
2022-02-16 06:43:42	yrdsb	so i switch to arch
2022-02-16 06:43:48	yrdsb	should i switch back to ubuntu
2022-02-16 06:44:13	thurstylark	if you can't read the wiki and follow its instructions, you probably won't have a good time with arch
2022-02-16 06:44:21	thurstylark	lots of wiki and manual reading involved
2022-02-16 06:44:38	yrdsb	should i come back to ubuntu
2022-02-16 06:44:46	beest	and ubuntu is probably among the simplest of distros to install, if you're having difficulty with ubuntu switching to arch would be like taking up skydiving because checkers was too hard
2022-02-16 06:44:49	yrdsb	debian and ubuntu is easier
2022-02-16 06:45:58	yrdsb	no
2022-02-16 06:46:02	thurstylark	!best
2022-02-16 06:46:02	yrdsb	i have dispaly issues
2022-02-16 06:46:02	phrik	Use whatever suits _you_ best.
2022-02-16 06:46:05	yrdsb	and debian issues
2022-02-16 06:46:06	yrdsb	!best
2022-02-16 06:46:06	phrik	Use whatever suits _you_ best.
2022-02-16 06:46:12	yrdsb	i want to use arch
2022-02-16 06:46:29	yrdsb	because people say arch is the ebst
2022-02-16 06:46:31	yrdsb	so i usee it
2022-02-16 06:46:36	yrdsb	i dont know how to install it
2022-02-16 06:46:40	yrdsb	i switch from ubuntu to arch
2022-02-16 06:46:57	thurstylark	well, nobody is going to hold your hand through the install process if you're unwilling to follow the wiki, so...
2022-02-16 06:47:47	yrdsb	I am trying to read the wiki
2022-02-16 06:47:52	yrdsb	but the commands are not working
2022-02-16 06:48:13	thurstylark	then describe the specific instructions that you're struggling with, what you tried, and what the result was
2022-02-16 06:48:32	yrdsb	I am struggling with  this command $ gpg --keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve --verify archlinux-version-x86_64.iso.sig
2022-02-16 06:48:38	yrdsb	i used linux for a year
2022-02-16 06:48:44	yrdsb	should i switch to arch yet
2022-02-16 06:49:07	thurstylark	if you're having trouble with this, I would suggest a different distro with an installer
2022-02-16 06:49:15	yrdsb	i upgrade my ubuntu 20.04 to 21.10 and then 21.10 is so unstable and ubuntu 20.04 is very stable
2022-02-16 06:49:28	thurstylark	there are also several arch-based distros that add an installer if you want to go that route
2022-02-16 06:49:29	yrdsb	debian and ubuntu both have installer
2022-02-16 06:49:57	yrdsb	I am not new to linux
2022-02-16 06:50:04	yrdsb	and i know how to use debian commanss
2022-02-16 06:50:10	yrdsb	i never used arch before
2022-02-16 06:51:03	thurstylark	I understand that. you've said it several times now
2022-02-16 06:51:22	tirnanog	being able to co-operate with others in the course of troubleshooting a problem is a skill in and as of itself. while the command has been identified, saying htat you are "struggling" doesn't help anyone to help you.
2022-02-16 06:51:23	yrdsb	sudo apt get install arch-installer
2022-02-16 06:51:43	yrdsb	sudo apt-get install arch-installer
2022-02-16 06:51:49	yrdsb	sudo dpkg -i arch-installer
2022-02-16 06:52:42	yrdsb	sudo dpkg -d arch-command-line-installer
2022-02-16 06:53:44	yrdsb	how
2022-02-16 06:53:45	yrdsb	do
2022-02-16 06:53:46	yrdsb	i
2022-02-16 06:53:47	yrdsb	instaoll
2022-02-16 06:53:48	yrdsb	arch
2022-02-16 06:53:49	yrdsb	its
2022-02-16 06:53:50	yrdsb	hard
2022-02-16 06:53:51	yrdsb	to
2022-02-16 06:53:52	yrdsb	use
2022-02-16 06:53:53	yrdsb	when
2022-02-16 06:53:54	yrdsb	will
2022-02-16 06:53:55	yrdsb	arch
2022-02-16 06:54:14	jeramiah	you guys are so polite:)
2022-02-16 06:54:28	yrdsb	why is arch so hard to install when will it be easy to install
2022-02-16 06:54:35	gehidore	 /whois yrdsb 
2022-02-16 06:54:44	tirnanog	you got filtered. deal with it and move on.
2022-02-16 06:54:44	thurstylark	yrdsb: now you're just trolling. go away
2022-02-16 06:54:55	yrdsb	but
2022-02-16 06:55:02	yrdsb	i actully dont know how to install arch
2022-02-16 06:55:28	thurstylark	I believe you. I don't believe that you actually want to do anything constructive about that
2022-02-16 06:55:29	tirnanog	I don't think that was ever in dispute.
2022-02-16 06:55:51	dondon	he seemed nice
2022-02-16 06:55:52	gehidore	bye bye now glhf
2022-02-16 06:57:35	gehidore	alrighty what's on the menu then
2022-02-16 06:57:53	feinedsquirrel	continuing my endeavor of creating my own zsh, so I don't rely on oh-my-zsh. I've copied the two code blocks from https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/zsh#Key_bindings (sections 3.4 and 3.4.1) with everything else commented out in my .zshrc file, but I cannot get up-line-or-beginning-search to work. I've read several of the linked pages, and tried a few other things. For one, I wonder if it comes
2022-02-16 06:57:53	feinedsquirrel	...
2022-02-16 06:57:54	phrik	Title: Zsh - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-16 06:59:14	feinedsquirrel	...down to my use of xterm-termite, because if I echo what the bindkey should be ($ bindkey - ), it doesn't show up as the zle command as expected. (I may not be using the correct terminology here)
2022-02-16 06:59:44	feinedsquirrel	Any tips on what I could do to narrow down what is failing?
2022-02-16 07:02:35	feinedsquirrel	i.e. with only those two code blocks in my .zshrc, if I "echo ${key[Up]}" it just returns a blank line
2022-02-16 07:03:04	mkoskar	why don't you post it instead of describing it?
2022-02-16 07:03:32	tirnanog	I'm not a zsh guy but echo is not a sensible utility to evaluate potential escape sequences with. printf %s "${key[Up]}" | od -a would probably make more sense.
2022-02-16 07:03:52	tirnanog	or -An -a
2022-02-16 07:06:12	tirnanog	also, "${terminfo[kcuu1]}" is supposed to expand to the same thing that tput kcuu1 would print.
2022-02-16 07:26:39	feinedsquirrel	tirnanog: alright, I have it assigning the value now. the `printf %s ${key[Up]} | od -An -a` now returns the same thing as ${terminfo[kcuu1]}. I was originally sym-linking .zshrc to .z_custom, but when I removed the sym-link and just copied .z_custom to .zshrc, it works now. why would a symlink break that definition? would it require an "export" or something?
2022-02-16 07:27:01	tirnanog	feinedsquirrel: I don't know. maybe it expects for .zshrc to be a regular file.
2022-02-16 07:27:12	rcf	It does not 
2022-02-16 07:27:18	rcf	It may have been a broken symlink, though. 
2022-02-16 07:27:53	tirnanog	and no, it doesn't need exporting.
2022-02-16 07:28:35	tirnanog	you export variables in the case where you want for them to be visible in the environment of your sub-processes.
2022-02-16 07:28:40	rcf	(pretty much all of my dotfiles are symlinks) 
2022-02-16 07:29:23	feinedsquirrel	I don't know what I did. I just rm .zshrc, and re-created a fresh symlink, and it is working now. I apologize for wasting your time. I should be able to also "source .z_custom_keybinds" inside of .zshrc if I wanted, right?
2022-02-16 07:30:53	tirnanog	feinedsquirrel: ~/.zshrc will be automatically sourced when launching an interactive instance of zsh. you may source whatever else you want from there.
2022-02-16 07:32:00	feinedsquirrel	right, that is what I'm used to, just while we were on the topic, I wanted to ensure keybindings or something else didn't need special treatment. Thanks!
2022-02-16 07:32:15	tirnanog	shouldn't do. it's just more shell code, in the end.
2022-02-16 07:33:30	feinedsquirrel	tirnanog: so you recommend just one, long .zshrc?
2022-02-16 07:34:45	susi	I have .zshrc, .zshenv and .zshalias, and functions in ~/shell/zsh/fun
2022-02-16 07:34:54	tirnanog	feinedsquirrel: I wouldn't recommend anything in particular. how dotfiles are structured is a matter of taste.
2022-02-16 07:35:43	susi	I set environment in .zshenv, define aliases in .zshalias, and have function definitions separated into shell/zsh/fun
2022-02-16 07:36:31	feinedsquirrel	timanog: Right, so you were just making sure I was aware it adds a bit more computation every time I open a new emulator? susi: I was thinking of doing something along those lines, and separating out keybinds into one more.
2022-02-16 07:36:58	tirnanog	feinedsquirrel: I'm not sure what I said that you're responding to exactly.
2022-02-16 07:37:16	tirnanog	feinedsquirrel: the point was that's it just code. which file it was read from doesn't change that.
2022-02-16 07:37:36	tirnanog	at least, not where you're sourcing into the current shell.
2022-02-16 07:37:59	rcf	The act of sourcing the file isn't going to hurt performance too badly. What is in said file usually matters quite a bit more, and can actually bog down your system. 
2022-02-16 07:38:02	tirnanog	executing a script would be a different matter, as that entails spawning a brand new shell to interpret it.
2022-02-16 07:38:04	feinedsquirrel	OOhhhh, haha, yeah, got it. I mis-read. all good
2022-02-16 07:39:28	feinedsquirrel	rcf: got ya. ?thumbup 
2022-02-16 07:39:57	rcf	For example, a complicated fancy prompt will absolutely trash performance for interactive use if you aren't careful. 
2022-02-16 07:40:09	rcf	And that's not even loading anything 
2022-02-16 07:42:14	feinedsquirrel	yeah. I figure if anything, I'll still end up with less than the oh-my-zsh stuff that was running before. I decided it was time to build my own, keeping the functionality I used, and discarding the rest, all the while removing my dep on outside configs, especially since I like that functionality on the off occasion I have to log in as root.
2022-02-16 07:43:36	dondon	for i in team
2022-02-16 07:43:56	rcf	Dropping much of that will easily offset any minor bloat derived from file layout 
2022-02-16 07:45:30	feinedsquirrel	rcf: awesome, thanks for the verification. dondon: was that in reference to something I said?
2022-02-16 07:45:59	dondon	that was a reference to "there is no 'i' in team"
2022-02-16 07:46:27	dondon	and nothing else in particular
2022-02-16 07:47:28	feinedsquirrel	ok ?thumbup 
2022-02-16 07:50:30	feinedsquirrel	I've gotta hit the hay. Thanks, again, everyone!
2022-02-16 09:09:19	megumin	can't enable freesync
2022-02-16 09:09:40	megumin	https://termbin.com/7ofkz
2022-02-16 09:10:29	megumin	which identifier should i set?
2022-02-16 09:11:40	megumin	does it work with hdmi?
2022-02-16 09:12:19	susi	check that there's freesync capability: https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/gpu-754
2022-02-16 09:13:12	megumin	>FreeSync over HDMI is not currently supported
2022-02-16 09:13:15	megumin	fuck
2022-02-16 09:17:54	megumin	https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=f9b4f20c4777bd305ef04f9485294692bc65968c
2022-02-16 09:17:55	phrik	Title: kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree (at git.kernel.org)
2022-02-16 09:18:05	megumin	there is a patch for hdmi
2022-02-16 09:18:14	megumin	why doesn't it work
2022-02-16 09:24:01	susi	what does xrandr --props vrr_capable say
2022-02-16 09:24:19	susi	vrr_capable prop in xrandr --props *
2022-02-16 09:24:41	Earnestly	grawity: https://redbean.dev/
2022-02-16 09:24:43	phrik	Title: redbean – single-file distributable web server (at redbean.dev)
2022-02-16 09:33:53	megumin	vrr_capable: 0 
2022-02-16 09:33:55	megumin	                range: (0, 1)
2022-02-16 09:35:09	susi	"xrandr will show the properties for all video output ports; make sure to look at the one that's actually connected to your monitor - the other outputs will report vrr_capable: 0. "
2022-02-16 09:35:35	megumin	0 for all outputs
2022-02-16 09:35:36	susi	probably either your monitor or GPU is not freesync-compatible
2022-02-16 09:36:14	megumin	it supports
2022-02-16 09:37:04	susi	there might be something in Xorg logs
2022-02-16 10:06:21	jenkins	TheArcaneBrony: you think it's possible to remove an item from your game list?
2022-02-16 10:06:45	⚡ 	jelle does not understand the question
2022-02-16 10:07:34	Khorne	TheArcaneBrony, on your Account Details, License and Product Key Activations, theres a remove button for anything that can be removed
2022-02-16 10:10:58	Khorne	Seems like a You and not an #archlinux problem really
2022-02-16 10:11:24	Khorne	Steam Support
2022-02-16 10:11:47	Khorne	So they have something to laugh at
2022-02-16 10:11:50	jenkins	TheArcaneBrony: just remove them 1 by 1 until things load up normally again
2022-02-16 10:11:54	BrainDamage	iirc there's a command line interface to steam, not sure if it covers it
2022-02-16 10:12:03	BrainDamage	it might help automate it
2022-02-16 10:12:18	BrainDamage	also, how the hell did you manage to get into that situation itfp
2022-02-16 10:12:30	Khorne	Free games to cheese trading cards
2022-02-16 10:13:55	jelle	lmao
2022-02-16 10:14:18	⚡ 	jelle thought 300 games are a lot
2022-02-16 10:14:21	Gagis	all the asset flips and then some, huh
2022-02-16 10:14:31	dottorblaster	hello :) sorry to interrupt any discussion, I noticed a couple of outdated packages in [community] and I really want to help maintaining them, but applying as a TU just doesn't feel right to me because you've never heard my name before most probably. So, can I report elixir and newsflash packages outdated and send PKGBUILDs to someone, or something like that? Would you help me figure out this
2022-02-16 10:14:33	dottorblaster	dilemma? :-D
2022-02-16 10:15:06	Khorne	dottorblaster, anyone can become a TU if qualified, but reaching out to the maintainer by mail with patches and tests is a good way
2022-02-16 10:15:51	dottorblaster	Khorne: cool, will try, thanks a lot!
2022-02-16 10:16:15	BrainDamage	if it's patches, you can append them to the bug tracker or send them by email
2022-02-16 10:16:22	Khorne	dottorblaster, if its only a pkgver bump, spare yourself the effort though :P
2022-02-16 10:16:56	dottorblaster	for newsflash it is not, it replaces also some deps, it's trivial enough but you know... :D
2022-02-16 10:17:01	Khorne	Then it's more likely that a) the maintainer didn't have time (yet) or b) something has gone tits up and needs further investigation
2022-02-16 10:17:44	dottorblaster	Khorne: is "it builds on my machine"(tm) a valid feedback? Or do I risk to be told to f' myself? :-D
2022-02-16 10:17:46	BrainDamage	testing if it builds and runs locally can be helpful too fwiw
2022-02-16 10:18:11	Khorne	^ and I don't think any maintainer would tell you to fuck off, at worst they ignore you :')
2022-02-16 10:18:56	Khorne	dottorblaster, fwiw, elixir has a new version in the testing repo already
2022-02-16 10:19:19	dottorblaster	oh ok, thanks! Then I'll go just to the maintainer of newsflash actually
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2022-02-16 11:25:13	oaken-source	I was considering packaging my most common configuration files in arch packages for easy access and distribution onto my various computers. I'm running into the problem though, that these configurations (for example /etc/dhcpcd.conf) already belong to other packages, introducing conflicts on installation. I had hoped to resolve these by adding the files to the backup array in the PKGBUILD, but 
2022-02-16 11:25:19	oaken-source	it's not behaving as I'd expected. anything else I can try to make future updates run smoothly?
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2022-02-16 11:27:54	teraflops	if services you are using make use of *.conf.d folders it would be easier I guess
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2022-02-16 11:29:31	teraflops	e.g whatever.conf.d/myconfig.conf won't mess with files provided with pacman packages
2022-02-16 11:29:55	oaken-source	I've looked through the manpage, and unfortunately dhcpcd seeds to be an example of a service that doesn't use a conf.d folder :/
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2022-02-16 11:54:58	Foxboron	anonfunc[m]: yes, but what does "my debug packages" imply?
2022-02-16 11:55:10	Foxboron	and what does "exact same build" mean?
2022-02-16 11:55:42	anonfunc[m]	well, they are generated alongside the "normal" package
2022-02-16 11:55:53	anonfunc[m]	if that is what you mean
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2022-02-16 11:57:00	Foxboron	anonfunc[m]: you need to explain what you are trying to do
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2022-02-16 11:59:06	anonfunc[m]	I added an debuginfod instance for ALHP. But I noticed that build-ids are not matching their binarys. So basically packages build in a clean chroot with makechrootpkg (just some different CFLAGS/CPPFLAGS).
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2022-02-16 11:59:31	jelle	ALHP?
2022-02-16 11:59:32	Foxboron	How are you making debug packages?
2022-02-16 11:59:46	jelle	> just some different CFLAGS/CPPFLAGS
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2022-02-16 12:00:41	anonfunc[m]	They get extracted automatically if debug is set in options in their respective PKGBUILD. I do not do anything special.
2022-02-16 12:00:52	Foxboron	weird, do you have an example package?
2022-02-16 12:00:53	anonfunc[m]	jelle: mostly -march and -O3
2022-02-16 12:01:05	Foxboron	-O3 is your problem I believe
2022-02-16 12:01:11	anonfunc[m]	it it?
2022-02-16 12:01:19	jelle	anonfunc[m]: well if you use different CFLAGS I would expect a different build-id no?
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2022-02-16 12:01:47	anonfunc[m]	from the same package? just to be clear. We are not talking about the archlinux debuginfod instance.
2022-02-16 12:02:09	◣	LordRishav (~LordRisha@user/lordrishav) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2022-02-16 12:02:21	jelle	so this is all your own infra?
2022-02-16 12:02:22	anonfunc[m]	https://git.harting.dev/ALHP/ALHP.GO#debug-symbols
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2022-02-16 12:02:22	phrik	Title: ALHP/ALHP.GO: Go based buildbot to build official Archlinux repos with x86-64 feature levels, -O3 and LTO - ALHP.GO - GitX (at git.harting.dev)
2022-02-16 12:02:28	anonfunc[m]	jelle: yes
2022-02-16 12:02:29	jelle	that was not clear at all :)
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2022-02-16 12:03:27	anonfunc[m]	jelle: soory about that 🙂
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2022-02-16 12:04:44	Foxboron	anonfunc[m]: did you have a test package?
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2022-02-16 12:05:31	anonfunc[m]	sure. binutils should work for example. Do you need package + debugpkg?
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2022-02-16 12:06:15	anonfunc[m]	(talking about x86-64-v3 here)
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2022-02-16 12:07:18	Foxboron	Yes, please link them :)
2022-02-16 12:07:43	anonfunc[m]	sure. one sec
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2022-02-16 12:09:19	anonfunc[m]	package: https://alhp.harting.dev/core-x86-64-v3/os/x86_64/binutils-2.38-3.1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst debugpkg: http://f.harting.dev/binutils-debug-2.38-3.1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
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2022-02-16 12:10:21	Foxboron	anonfunc[m]: 404 :p
2022-02-16 12:10:28	anonfunc[m]	uhh. which one?
2022-02-16 12:10:35	Foxboron	debug
2022-02-16 12:11:04	anonfunc[m]	try https://f.harting.dev/binutils-debug-2.38-3.1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
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2022-02-16 12:11:58	Foxboron	anonfunc[m]: Right, and where do you see "different build-ids"?
2022-02-16 12:12:07	Foxboron	what do you do to confirm if it is and isn't valid?
2022-02-16 12:12:53	anonfunc[m]	there is that build-id folder, right? I assumed it should be in there somewhere. Because debiginfod doesn't seeem to find them either
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2022-02-16 12:13:44	anonfunc[m]	try to retrieve them via debuginfod-find. also tried to find the buildid listed in readelf -n
2022-02-16 12:13:57	Foxboron	Everything seems fine on my end
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2022-02-16 12:14:20	anonfunc[m]	weird. not sure where the problem is then
2022-02-16 12:14:28	Foxboron	ill try through debuginfod
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2022-02-16 12:16:50	Foxboron	anonfunc[m]: works for me
2022-02-16 12:17:40	anonfunc[m]	well, that is interesting. So you started debuginfod locally and threw that debug package in there? 
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2022-02-16 12:18:49	Foxboron	anonfunc[m]: https://paste.xinu.at/8Jn3eLUEyJ/%25
2022-02-16 12:18:58	Foxboron	I have a local setup i used to test the Arch deployment of debuginfod
2022-02-16 12:19:24	ℹ 	masoudd_ es conocido ahora como masoudd
2022-02-16 12:19:36	Foxboron	anonfunc[m]: I'm suspecting you are just not doing debuginfod correctly at some stage here
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2022-02-16 12:20:14	anonfunc[m]	could be. can you try debuginfod-find /path/to/binary for me?
2022-02-16 12:20:46	Foxboron	Well, which subcommand?
2022-02-16 12:21:04	anonfunc[m]	oh, debuginfo, sorry
2022-02-16 12:21:18	Foxboron	yeah i did that before running gdb
2022-02-16 12:21:40	anonfunc[m]	oh, I was just blind. That 404's for me each time
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2022-02-16 12:21:48	Foxboron	:)
2022-02-16 12:23:03	anonfunc[m]	GET /buildid/8de2e710133eaa4a3ad7a05643e3b003595125ff/debuginfo 404 9 0+0ms ☹️
2022-02-16 12:23:27	Foxboron	You are just deploying debuginfod incorrectly from what I can tell
2022-02-16 12:23:32	Foxboron	this isn't a debug package issue at any rate
2022-02-16 12:23:46	anonfunc[m]	that is probably the case.
2022-02-16 12:23:47	Foxboron	Our stuff is in our ansible repo is you need something to look at
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2022-02-16 12:24:02	anonfunc[m]	the funny thing is: that is where I got almost everything from 😀
2022-02-16 12:25:11	Foxboron	:)
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2022-02-16 12:25:54	anonfunc[m]	tha nginx conf is, at least in the relevant parts, exactly the same.
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2022-02-16 12:31:56	anonfunc[m]	I'm going to try some things, thanks for you guidance Foxboron  🙂
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2022-02-16 12:34:05	fruity_tomato	Hello
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2022-02-16 12:35:29	fruity_tomato	So I joined a new job and im trying to add a certificate to a fresh arch install. They seem to have a wildcard cert which is then also used for internal domains. this is not from a trusted CA but i think its selfsigned. So git repos and firefox is complaining.
2022-02-16 12:36:18	fruity_tomato	on windows it seemed to work to do echo -n | openssl s_client -showcerts -connect github.com:443 2>/dev/null | sed -ne '/-BEGIN CERTIFICATE-/,/-END CERTIFICATE-/p' and save it to file and import the certificate file
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2022-02-16 12:37:56	selckin	firefox doesn't use the system ca store, so you'll have to add it there aswel at least
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2022-02-16 12:38:20	redalpha	might have to also import intermediate and/or root cert
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2022-02-16 12:41:21	grawity	selckin: it does
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2022-02-16 12:41:34	grawity	on Arch – ever since the p11-kit migration a few years ago
2022-02-16 12:42:07	selckin	oh ok, sorry for the outdated info
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2022-02-16 13:56:02	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-16 13:41:50	Foxboron	:)
2022-02-16 13:41:59	Foxboron	Hopefully you learned how to debug debug package
2022-02-16 13:42:23	anonfunc[m]	certainly, not that I hope I need to every again
2022-02-16 13:46:03	seventyfour	Warepire, Tom^, I'm narrowing it down (my IRQ16 flood issue).
2022-02-16 13:46:34	seventyfour	I've tried reverting all the commits you've suggested with no luck there.
2022-02-16 13:46:49	seventyfour	So i'm working through bisecting the kernel now
2022-02-16 13:47:40	seventyfour	The issue is not in linux-lts (5.15.23), so I'm running that for now
2022-02-16 13:49:10	seventyfour	But it is in linux 5.16 (https://archive.archlinux.org/packages/l/linux/linux-5.16.arch1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst)
2022-02-16 13:56:02	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-16 14:17:58	blacked	After upgrade of arch linux it broke my system.
2022-02-16 14:18:05	blacked	audio is not working and
2022-02-16 14:18:17	blacked	also video or anything related to it notworking.
2022-02-16 14:18:50	blacked	I also cant shutdown the system and system stucks while shutting down saying like
2022-02-16 14:18:51	blacked	"failed to stop daemon.... alsa, systemd, amixer ....."
2022-02-16 14:18:54	blacked	somebody help me
2022-02-16 14:19:51	Namarrgon	uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2022-02-16 14:20:21	blacked	`5.16.9-arch1-1`
2022-02-16 14:20:32	MacGyver	Did you already reboot?
2022-02-16 14:20:41	Namarrgon	and the other one?
2022-02-16 14:20:43	blacked	i cant reboot ,it stuck in that
2022-02-16 14:21:03	blacked	only i can do force reboot through button, done serveral times
2022-02-16 14:21:16	MacGyver	Right, so you did -- then answer Namarrgon's question.
2022-02-16 14:22:09	blacked	hello Namarrgon `linux 5.16.9.arch1-1`
2022-02-16 14:22:31	Scimmia	blacked: note that they asked for two things
2022-02-16 14:23:05	Namarrgon	what problem are you having with the network?
2022-02-16 14:23:08	blacked	`5.16.9-arch1-1` && `linux 5.16.9.arch1-1` ?
2022-02-16 14:23:20	blacked	Network is working fine, i'm problem having audio.
2022-02-16 14:23:40	Namarrgon	and video?
2022-02-16 14:23:51	blacked	like audio dont works, and even inside browser, video didnt plays
2022-02-16 14:24:44	blacked	i tried `mpv a.mp3` or `aplay` these didnt gives output
2022-02-16 14:24:57	Namarrgon	can you post the kernel log?
2022-02-16 14:25:22	Gagis	how long since you had updated the previous time? one thing I can think of is that nvidia drivers have migrated to new versions that deprecate support for very old hardware
2022-02-16 14:26:43	blacked	i think i've not old hardware, but i do have nvidia :(
2022-02-16 14:27:21	blacked	why i didnt stop myself from buying nvidia based laptop, that was my greatest bad decision of my life.
2022-02-16 14:27:59	blacked	kernel log where is it Namarrgon
2022-02-16 14:28:16	Namarrgon	journalctl -kb
2022-02-16 14:28:22	Namarrgon	how old is this system?
2022-02-16 14:30:56	blacked	Hello , i've complete new system , although i dont know about nvidia if it is new based
2022-02-16 14:32:26	blacked	Hello Namarrgon this is my log https://justpaste.it/6qbmr
2022-02-16 14:32:28	phrik	Title: JustPaste.it - Share Text & Images the Easy Way (at justpaste.it)
2022-02-16 14:33:05	Namarrgon	you used archinstall for this?
2022-02-16 14:33:30	Namarrgon	!give blacked ix
2022-02-16 14:33:32	phrik	blacked: <command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-02-16 14:34:16	oaken-source	I'm having trouble with my local dns server. I can `dig` and `nslookup` names in my local network, but ping and ssh don't work
2022-02-16 14:34:50	oaken-source	it's only not working from one machine as well, and I can't isolate why
2022-02-16 14:35:09	Namarrgon	what manages /etc/resolv.conf?
2022-02-16 14:35:51	oaken-source	systemd-resolved, and dhcpcd
2022-02-16 14:36:00	Namarrgon	and?
2022-02-16 14:36:13	Namarrgon	why do you have two tools manage a single thing?
2022-02-16 14:36:20	oaken-source	yeah, it's a bit odd. I only realized today that dhcpcd writes resolv.conf
2022-02-16 14:36:27	oaken-source	I probably don't need systemd-resolved
2022-02-16 14:39:11	oaken-source	welp, disabling systemd-resolved fixed it. thanks for the help :)
2022-02-16 14:41:05	mohnish	I updated my system yesterday and am trying to install nvidia-470xx-utils from the AUR but I get this error: https://dpaste.org/vYKp
2022-02-16 14:41:13	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o8QB.txt
2022-02-16 14:41:29	Namarrgon	mohnish: pacman -Q linux
2022-02-16 14:41:43	Namarrgon	the modules need to be built with the same compiler as the kernel
2022-02-16 14:41:50	Scimmia	mohnish: update again, the -lts kernel was rebuilt for the new toolchain
2022-02-16 14:42:05	mohnish	I'm using linux lts: linux-lts 5.15.23-1
2022-02-16 14:42:18	Namarrgon	-Syu
2022-02-16 14:42:59	mohnish	update again?
2022-02-16 14:43:05	Scimmia	yes
2022-02-16 14:43:17	mohnish	okay
2022-02-16 14:44:34	Namarrgon	after the update is before the update
2022-02-16 14:45:09	mohnish	what?
2022-02-16 14:56:36	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-16 15:05:02	modin	is there a way to have per-package CFLAGS for makepkg.conf? Something like /etc/makepkg.d/<pkg-in-question>.conf ? Reason for question is that I encountered https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sngrep#comment-835156
2022-02-16 15:05:05	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - sngrep (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2022-02-16 15:05:58	Scimmia	you set it in the PKGBUILD
2022-02-16 15:06:19	Scimmia	it's just a env variable
2022-02-16 15:08:38	modin	alright, just thinking I'll have to investigate and set that again on update. a makepkg.d whould allow me to forget it
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2022-02-16 15:10:49	CarloWood	I just ran `pacman -Syu`  now I get:
2022-02-16 15:10:52	CarloWood	gmake[2]: *** No rule to make target '/usr/lib/librt.so', needed by 'src/vulkan/allocator_test'.  Stop.
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2022-02-16 15:11:58	Scimmia	what did you get that from? Pacman itself doesn't compile anything
2022-02-16 15:13:27	CarloWood	Deleting the real time library is a bit much :/. Why is it gone after a normal upgrade?
2022-02-16 15:14:09	CarloWood	core/glibc 2.35-2 [installed]
2022-02-16 15:14:09	CarloWood	    usr/lib/librt.so.1
2022-02-16 15:14:21	CarloWood	I still have that - but librt.so seems to be missing now.
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2022-02-16 15:14:31	Scimmia	right, because upstream removed it
2022-02-16 15:14:45	CarloWood	huh
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2022-02-16 15:14:47	Scimmia	so again, what did you get that from?
2022-02-16 15:15:04	CarloWood	I just compile something as usual.  Link again -lrt
2022-02-16 15:15:11	Scimmia	!bail
2022-02-16 15:15:12	phrik	Looks like Scimmia is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-02-16 15:15:51	Scimmia	look at the upstream changelogs, but that's as far as I'm going here
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2022-02-16 15:19:05	txtsd	What's a good non-tiling compositor for wayland? I need titlebars.
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2022-02-16 15:20:37	ℹ 	cdown_ es conocido ahora como cdown
2022-02-16 15:20:46	gehidore	you can add title bars to many of them
2022-02-16 15:20:54	gehidore	even configure them in floating mode
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2022-02-16 15:24:18	mohnish	Thanks Namarrgon Scimmia I updated my system and reinstalled the driver successfully
2022-02-16 15:25:22	mohnish	so what was causing the issue?
2022-02-16 15:26:35	Scimmia	mohnish: the lts kernel wasn't rebuilt when the new gcc moved to core. It was rebuild a few hours later
2022-02-16 15:26:41	Scimmia	you updated in the middle of it
2022-02-16 15:26:47	mohnish	oh
2022-02-16 15:26:57	mohnish	interesting
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2022-02-16 15:30:40	mohnish	thanks, again
2022-02-16 15:31:10	CarloWood	ugh - nothing compiles anymore :(
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2022-02-16 15:32:00	Namarrgon	not even C.UTF-8
2022-02-16 15:32:25	Scimmia	that seems to build, even with the error
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2022-02-16 15:54:05	blacked	hey Namarrgon i think it solved , i dont know ho did i done that but thats it. :)
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2022-02-16 16:31:43	TaZeR	Khorne: is there anyway to see which ones where unlinked or linked? i havnt looked there in a long time but as far as i can tell from the file dates they havnt been modified in a while
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2022-02-16 16:33:00	TaZeR	i tried to make it resemble the defaults which changed things around again, but it doesnt look samea s before, maybe it never will 
2022-02-16 16:33:34	TaZeR	not that it looks bad, i just got used to looking at the same fonts/rendering for 1 year+
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2022-02-16 16:33:46	archdemon	what is it you are talking about
2022-02-16 16:33:48	Khorne	usr/share/fontconfig/conf.default
2022-02-16 16:33:54	archdemon	i just joined and im being nosey
2022-02-16 16:34:11	Khorne	TaZeR, other than that, not really if you had anything else in there
2022-02-16 16:34:20	TaZeR	archdemon: basically i noticed sometime this month after a update/reboot that my fonts and rendering look different system-wide
2022-02-16 16:34:28	archdemon	ahh
2022-02-16 16:34:57	TaZeR	ive been trying to tweak those config file Khrone menions to get it back the way it was before, but its not that simple :p
2022-02-16 16:35:13	Khorne	Also they are not the only thing that influences font rendering
2022-02-16 16:35:14	TaZeR	guess ill just have to get used to it, and pay closer attention to my font setup
2022-02-16 16:36:08	Khorne	You can use $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/fontconfig to maintain per user font setups
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2022-02-16 16:39:41	kulak	sorry, it is just Linux, but this group is best at actually answering :)     What's the proper process to increase number of failed login attempts?
2022-02-16 16:40:01	jelle	kulak: depends on the pam configuration
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2022-02-16 16:40:14	kulak	I just use the default out of box
2022-02-16 16:40:20	jelle	on arch?
2022-02-16 16:40:25	kulak	yes
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2022-02-16 16:40:34	thrice	don't mistake "best at answering" with "I'm too lazy go google" :>
2022-02-16 16:40:41	Khorne	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Security#Lock_out_user_after_three_failed_login_attempts
2022-02-16 16:40:42	phrik	Title: Security - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-16 16:40:47	jelle	kulak: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Security#Lock_out_user_after_three_failed_login_attempts
2022-02-16 16:40:51	Khorne	jelle, slowbro
2022-02-16 16:40:54	jelle	:(
2022-02-16 16:41:09	greyltc	my copy paste skillz are lacking
2022-02-16 16:41:23	greyltc	the link only made it into my buffer :-((
2022-02-16 16:41:55	TaZeR	kulak: i have a file called /etc/login.defs which has such settings, although im not sure where it comes from if its part of my display manager or what
2022-02-16 16:41:55	kulak	thank you
2022-02-16 16:42:20	TaZeR	actually its owned by shadow so its part of the system, u should have it too
2022-02-16 16:44:02	ℹ 	hollowman6 es conocido ahora como hollowman
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2022-02-16 16:44:43	andril	o/ all
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2022-02-16 16:46:31	alwyn	How come the copy of a btrfs snapshot is 10G smaller than the source (62G vs 72G)?
2022-02-16 16:46:34	alwyn	I'm probably missing something
2022-02-16 16:46:41	alwyn	Used snap-sync for the copy/backup
2022-02-16 16:46:52	alwyn	Calculated with 'compsize -x'
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2022-02-16 16:47:09	thrice	is one compressed in some way?
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2022-02-16 16:47:47	alwyn	!paste
2022-02-16 16:47:47	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-02-16 16:48:44	alwyn	thrice: http://ix.io/3PLM
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2022-02-16 16:49:09	alwyn	Oh hang on, am I just blind and is it a preallocated bit?
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2022-02-16 16:49:44	alwyn	a/the, bit/part
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2022-02-16 16:50:20	dummys_	guys did you have an idea how to debug a failing boot that just hang using my custom archiso baseline, and when I use the releng profile, boot is ok
2022-02-16 16:51:08	dummys_	should be something on the graphic card I guess, its a dell latitude with intel Iris XE
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2022-02-16 16:52:26	greyltc	dummys_: where does it hang?
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2022-02-16 16:53:54	dummys_	after it said Switching to i915 from EFI VGA
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2022-02-16 16:54:12	dummys_	and I try to debug what is different between baseline and releng
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2022-02-16 16:56:38	Hello71	did you build releng profile yourself or download from mirror?
2022-02-16 16:56:46	Hello71	check that package versions are same
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2022-02-16 16:58:59	dummys_	so using nomodeset I can go further but not much
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2022-02-16 17:02:34	dummys_	https://ibb.co/CJ3779B
2022-02-16 17:02:35	phrik	Title: signal-2022-02-16-16-59-24-757 — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2022-02-16 17:02:45	dummys_	here is the screen of the hang
2022-02-16 17:02:50	dummys_	is there a way to debug further ?
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2022-02-16 17:06:22	dummys_	can it be because releng profile load ucode.img before loading initramfs ?
2022-02-16 17:07:17	Hello71	maybe
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2022-02-16 17:31:25	Warepire	seventyfour: (just saw the ping) so much for the qualified quesses. Good luck with the bisect.
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2022-02-16 18:18:31	kulak	Can I directly update `/etc/security/faillock.conf` file without fear of loosing changes on OS update?
2022-02-16 18:19:30	Namarrgon	"pacman -Qo /etc/security/faillock.conf"
2022-02-16 18:19:36	Namarrgon	"pacman -Qii <pkg>"
2022-02-16 18:20:51	Namarrgon	if the file is listed in the backup array then pacman will not overwrite it on updates but you will get a pacnew instead that you have to manually merge
2022-02-16 18:21:34	kulak	Namarrgon, thank you!  I will write this one down.
2022-02-16 18:28:27	CarloWood	Wew - I couldn't boot after cleaning the fan of my CPU :(.  Best guess is that the harddisk cables made bad contact (I saw improvement after replugging them).  But a lot of other problems remained.
2022-02-16 18:29:58	CarloWood	For one my USB keyboard isn't detected - can't get into the BIOS and after reboot (with another keyboard for the password) that keyboard still wasn't detected. Only after replugging the USB device of it while already booted it started to work again.
2022-02-16 18:30:29	CarloWood	I also so weird debug messages during logging... something with error 101 or something, and a remark about USB power.
2022-02-16 18:30:45	CarloWood	daniel:~>dmesg
2022-02-16 18:30:45	CarloWood	dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted
2022-02-16 18:30:47	CarloWood	wut
2022-02-16 18:30:56	CarloWood	Is that new?
2022-02-16 18:31:15	Scimmia	changed quite a while ago
2022-02-16 18:31:18	Scimmia	needs root now
2022-02-16 18:31:27	CarloWood	ok - that works yeah
2022-02-16 18:32:17	CarloWood	Can I paste 4 lines?
2022-02-16 18:32:46	CarloWood	!paste
2022-02-16 18:32:46	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-02-16 18:33:08	CarloWood	https://bpa.st/RVLA
2022-02-16 18:33:10	phrik	Title: View paste RVLA (at bpa.st)
2022-02-16 18:33:15	CarloWood	That is the error that I got
2022-02-16 18:34:22	Scimmia	accoring to google "USB error -110 means "Timeout expired before the transfer completed"
2022-02-16 18:35:50	Scimmia	other places are saying "power exceeded" though
2022-02-16 18:35:52	CarloWood	Hmm, this would be reported by 'lsusb' as 'Bus 15'?
2022-02-16 18:36:17	CarloWood	Oh - maybe I plugged this thing into the wrong plug then.
2022-02-16 18:36:21	CarloWood	Lemme check.
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2022-02-16 19:11:12	Junx	its testing my patience right now, thanks for now. gonna take a break before i throw it out the window
2022-02-16 19:17:21	dondon	bebop-a-rebop rhubarb pie
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2022-02-16 19:50:29	dondon	people here that work more with filesystems will know more, but in my long-term general use of *nix, it depends on your use case. if you require the feature set of zfs and can afford the resource overhead, that's probably your best bet. otherwise, ext4+j is stable, and fast, and a well known commodity
2022-02-16 19:55:26	salkin	thanks dondon, any two cents is appreciated here :) im mostly doing realtime audio stuff, video/graphics, compiling c++/rust. On my workstation and laptop. So those is my main interest. I was just blown away by the bench of ZFS. Like its several times faster than Btrfs and Ext. So i guess ZFS performs well in a audio/video production context. Huge i/o.
2022-02-16 20:00:51	BrainDamage	be ware that being out of tree means you'll have to deal with random breakage
2022-02-16 20:02:47	salkin	BrainDamage: you mean in the matter of ZFS ?
2022-02-16 20:02:58	BrainDamage	yes
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2022-02-16 20:59:48	CarloWood	That shows it is on 0a:00.0 
2022-02-16 21:00:13	salkin	Is there a way to list all the `*ctl` commands available? hostnamectl, networkctl, uname_it_ctl.
2022-02-16 21:00:47	CarloWood	That looks hex, but /etc/X11/xorg.conf uses decimal I think, no?
2022-02-16 21:00:53	Namarrgon	salkin: the ones provided by systemd or in general?
2022-02-16 21:01:06	salkin	in general and systemd
2022-02-16 21:01:14	salkin	like all inclusive
2022-02-16 21:01:57	salkin	Namarrgon: but lets say systemd for starters
2022-02-16 21:02:22	greyltc	salkin: `for cmd in /bin/*ctl; do   echo $(basename $cmd); done`
2022-02-16 21:02:27	CarloWood	<Scimmia> You remove a card, identifiers can change  <=== that helped me a LOT :)
2022-02-16 21:02:39	salkin	ah sure. jsut grap them with skim, fzf, rg, what not
2022-02-16 21:02:44	CarloWood	Got a desktop again
2022-02-16 21:02:46	salkin	sure unix, everything is a file :=)
2022-02-16 21:04:19	CarloWood	Well there is another surprice.. the icon of hexchat disappeared from the task bar, or whatever the name is. But the (now invisible) button still worked.
2022-02-16 21:05:03	teraflops	so I had to regenerate initramfs after installing latest nvidia driver to get the driver working properly 🤔
2022-02-16 21:05:27	salkin	`ls /bin | rg ctl` wow so many ctls i've never heard of before
2022-02-16 21:06:03	salkin	machinectl, portablectl. what!
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2022-02-16 22:18:01	⚡ 	Warepire double checked the PKGBUILD, there was nothing there that changed the symlink into a real file, so it's likely an upstream glibc thing.
2022-02-16 22:22:08	Warepire	bobberb: And here's the glibc change that did it: https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/glibc/patch/eae14c3d57b3fef43892ca304f2d8017555e8447.1623312996.git.fweimer@redhat.com/
2022-02-16 22:22:12	phrik	Title: [4/4] Install shared objects under their ABI names - Patchwork (at patchwork.ozlabs.org)
2022-02-16 22:25:49	CarloWood	bobberb: it shouldn't be a symbol link. ldconfig is confused.
2022-02-16 22:26:48	Warepire	It used to be a symbolic link with glibc 2.33 and older. It was changed for 2.34.
2022-02-16 22:28:22	bobberb	warpire: carlowood: Can I fix it easily, installing glibc doesn't 
2022-02-16 22:28:24	CarloWood	I remember I once wrote a script ... for the Singularity viewer I think (SL) .. that fixed symbolic links of libraries.  That used something that get the major and minor version of the library.  Unfortunately I forget everything these days, so no idea how to get it.
2022-02-16 22:28:44	CarloWood	bobberb: just ignore it?
2022-02-16 22:29:03	bobberb	hm.
2022-02-16 22:29:57	CarloWood	If I still had that script then I could tell you how to actually check if ldconfig is on to something... but anyway, this is how everyone has it now, so I'd just ignore it.
2022-02-16 22:30:26	bobberb	OOOO well if it's not juts my ldconfig I'll be okay :D
2022-02-16 22:31:08	CarloWood	Hmm
2022-02-16 22:31:14	Warepire	bobberb: If you modified one of the ld.so.conf files make sure you don't have a .pacnew laying around. If you added your own, make sure they are up to date.
2022-02-16 22:31:16	CarloWood	My ldconfig isn't complaining
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2022-02-16 23:02:04	bobberb	I'm back after blowing up the system, thanks btrfs :)
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2022-02-16 23:02:04	gehidore	riiight
2022-02-16 23:02:04	bobberb	Ok so what they say is true you cannot remove that file and live to tell
2022-02-16 23:02:04	gehidore	what did btrfs do to you?
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2022-02-16 23:02:04	gehidore	or did you save yourself with a snapshot?
2022-02-16 23:02:04	bobberb	opposite, genuine thanks, BTRFS saved me from my self-attack on glibc
2022-02-16 23:02:04	gehidore	well played
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2022-02-16 23:02:04	bobberb	warpire: Is there a bug tracker somewhere for this so I can follow? 
2022-02-16 23:02:04	bobberb	or does it not meet threshold for issue, cosmetic? 
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2022-02-16 23:02:04	Scimmia	bobberb: what does type -a ldconfig give you?
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2022-02-16 23:02:04	Betal	Ghosthree3: I guess you don't have brltty installed?
2022-02-16 23:02:04	bobberb	it's /usr/bin/ldconfig
2022-02-16 23:02:04	bobberb	I also which'd and such, the .so is definitely owened by glibc latest
2022-02-16 23:02:04	bobberb	pacman -Qo ***'d pacman -Qo /usr/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 /usr/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 is owned by glibc 2.35-2
2022-02-16 23:02:04	Scimmia	The error only makes sense if it's an old version of ldconfig
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2022-02-17 00:28:42	dVVilly	Hey #archlinux. Unsure if I've come across a bug with the containerd / docker package or whether I'm missing something. Installed docker (sudo pacman -Syu docker) and enabled it. Unable to start it through systemd and journalctl advises that containerd's binary isn't in PATH. I checked /usr/bin/ for containerd and it's not there. I ran sudo pacman -Syu containerd and it ran through a
2022-02-17 00:28:42	dVVilly	re-installation 
2022-02-17 00:28:48	dVVilly	without error. sudo systemctl enable containerd runs fine, but systemctl start containerd also says containerd isn't in PATH.
2022-02-17 00:32:04	Namarrgon	dVVilly: what is the exact output you get?
2022-02-17 00:32:19	Namarrgon	oh
2022-02-17 00:32:28	Namarrgon	usr/usr/bin/containerd :|
2022-02-17 00:32:55	dVVilly	I'm sorry?
2022-02-17 00:32:56	Namarrgon	Foxboron: did you do that?
2022-02-17 00:33:08	Namarrgon	dVVilly: it's a packaging bug
2022-02-17 00:33:19	MacGyver	pacman -Fl containerd after a -Fy shows me usr/bin/containerd as normal?
2022-02-17 00:33:31	Namarrgon	it was updated only an hour ago
2022-02-17 00:34:14	Namarrgon	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73825
2022-02-17 00:34:15	phrik	Title: FS#73825 : containerd puts binaries in usr/usr/bin and not in usr/bin as expected (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-02-17 00:34:51	ouestbillie	still having bluetooth problems
2022-02-17 00:34:53	ouestbillie	http://ix.io/3PNW 
2022-02-17 00:35:11	ouestbillie	journalctl --unit bluetooth doesnt show more verbose output
2022-02-17 00:35:55	ouestbillie	okay woups forgot to modprobe (and didnt know I have to) butttt
2022-02-17 00:36:07	dVVilly	Namarrgon: ah, gotcha. Thanks. What normally happens from here?
2022-02-17 00:36:25	ouestbillie	i still get the "no default controller available" in blutoothctl when I do `power on`
2022-02-17 00:37:19	Namarrgon	dVVilly: we pre-heat the tar and pre-fluff the feathers and wait for the packager to show up
2022-02-17 00:37:53	ouestbillie	i really need this bluetooth thing to work, i only have a bt headset and a pair coding interview tomorrow and everyone keeps telling me my black switches make a raucus
2022-02-17 00:38:13	Namarrgon	ouestbillie: when do you see in dmesg?
2022-02-17 00:38:22	dVVilly	Namarrgon: no worries, thanks helping me identify what's going on
2022-02-17 00:41:01	ouestbillie	Namarrgon: http://ix.io/3PO0
2022-02-17 00:41:15	ouestbillie	i have no clue how to parse that
2022-02-17 00:42:17	Namarrgon	does rfkill list the controller?
2022-02-17 00:42:28	Namarrgon	which kernel is this?
2022-02-17 00:42:29	ouestbillie	nope only wlan
2022-02-17 00:42:33	ouestbillie	mainline
2022-02-17 00:42:37	ouestbillie	linux package
2022-02-17 00:42:43	Namarrgon	"linux" is not mainline
2022-02-17 00:42:50	ouestbillie	oh
2022-02-17 00:43:24	ouestbillie	i mean stable
2022-02-17 00:43:43	ouestbillie	Namarrgon: should I try lts?
2022-02-17 00:43:45	Namarrgon	which chipset?
2022-02-17 00:44:58	ouestbillie	Network controller: Intel Corporation Wi-Fi 6 AX200 (rev 1a) 
2022-02-17 00:45:05	ouestbillie	the wifi is the same chip as the blt
2022-02-17 00:45:39	Namarrgon	journalctl -b -u bluetooth.service
2022-02-17 00:45:49	ouestbillie	full lspci output http://ix.io/3PO4
2022-02-17 00:46:20	ouestbillie	http://ix.io/3PO5 
2022-02-17 00:46:27	ouestbillie	^^ journalctl
2022-02-17 00:50:10	ouestbillie	i don't think it's a perm issue i'm in wheel with all everything and I just tried to power on in bluetoothctl as root and same result
2022-02-17 00:51:35	ouestbillie	also it usedd to work a while back before i went on vacation, i did multiple upgrades since then, and at some point, i dont remember when (I was too busy to debug but i should have written down) it stopped working in that precise way
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2022-02-17 01:14:02	Ghosthree3	Betal: ahh, not anymore. when i set up this system for whatever reason that got installed deliberately, dracut ran fine but brltty was super annoying in boot or something, so i blacklisted the module in a dracut config under omit_modules. about 2 weeks ago i realized brltty is no longer a required package and removed it, and the omit_modules line
2022-02-17 01:19:13	Namarrgon	ouestbillie: is /etc/bluetooth/main.conf modified?
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2022-02-17 01:42:45	Edu4rdSHL	There's already one https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73825
2022-02-17 01:42:46	phrik	Title: FS#73825 : containerd puts binaries in usr/usr/bin and not in usr/bin as expected (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-02-17 01:49:08	thrice	for shame
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2022-02-17 02:30:41	Betal	thrice: maybe I should report, what if the fix is obvious :P
2022-02-17 02:30:46	Ghosthree3	obviously something else installed on your machine, OR its a hardware bug. can you reproduce it in a VM with identical package installation
2022-02-17 02:31:07	Ghosthree3	(bug caused by your hardware*)
2022-02-17 02:31:07	Toorero	Namarrgon: Ups you're right....
2022-02-17 02:31:17	Toorero	thx
2022-02-17 02:32:47	bloodfart69	Is D++ Discord library avialable for archlinux? Or do I have to manually compile it?
2022-02-17 02:32:57	thrice	Betal: --verbose doesn't add anything interesting?
2022-02-17 02:38:53	Betal	thrice: http://ix.io/3POs
2022-02-17 02:39:28	Betal	now I wonder if we can remove the nvidia from the dracut initramfs
2022-02-17 02:39:42	thrice	brltty-lsinc: missing file
2022-02-17 02:40:12	thrice	I was curious if the script gets to some point like that, and there's a bug in the script that forces the help
2022-02-17 02:40:20	thrice	like a missing - or space or something
2022-02-17 02:41:28	Ghosthree3	Betal: pretty sure nvidia has to be in there or it wont function once the system boots
2022-02-17 02:41:46	thrice	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/69424
2022-02-17 02:41:47	phrik	Title: FS#69424 : [brltty] Update 6.2 breaks dracut with 'brltty-lsinc: missing file' errors (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-02-17 02:43:28	Toorero	Namarrgon so does this mean the parent subvolume and the respective copy need to have the same UUID?
2022-02-17 02:45:24	Toorero	so something like `btrfs -v send /PREFIX/2022-02-16_14-00-01/@ | btrfs -v receive /PREFIX2/2022-02-16_14-00-01` does not guarantee that they have the same UUID? :O
2022-02-17 02:47:14	Namarrgon	you can't identify a subvolume by the filename, "D2022-02-16_14-00-01" means nothing, the UUIDs are important
2022-02-17 02:48:03	Toorero	Yeah I get that but I'm somewhat staggered that the normal send/receive does not keep the UUID
2022-02-17 02:48:34	Toorero	or perhaps I generated that backup a weird way, perhaps... I'm going to test that
2022-02-17 02:48:35	Namarrgon	it does but if the parent is modified inbetween then you're out of luck
2022-02-17 02:48:56	Namarrgon	look at the "received UUID" on the receiving side
2022-02-17 02:49:07	Toorero	they are different, yes
2022-02-17 02:49:30	Namarrgon	then you either have the wrong subvolume or one of them was modified
2022-02-17 02:49:36	Namarrgon	or both of them
2022-02-17 02:49:41	Toorero	they are both readonly
2022-02-17 02:49:55	Toorero	mhh
2022-02-17 02:50:03	Namarrgon	that doesn't mean much, you can set a subvolume RW, modify it and then set it RO again
2022-02-17 02:50:18	Toorero	I surly did not do that
2022-02-17 02:50:30	Namarrgon	who created them? you or snapper?
2022-02-17 02:50:38	Toorero	myself
2022-02-17 02:51:35	Toorero	i worte a script that just creates a readonly variant of all my timeshift backups and then copies them over but they can't be copied recursivly because of the aforementioned error
2022-02-17 02:52:03	Toorero	ok I'm recreating the process manually and see if I succed then there is an error in my script somewhere
2022-02-17 03:00:01	Toorero	ok at least the btrfs command generated by my script seem reasonable. I think I sync it again perhaps during debug something got corrupted...
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2022-02-17 03:21:21	mrkirby153	Is there a workaround for containerd being put in the wrong place? I see https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73828 but was curious if there's an intrim solution
2022-02-17 03:21:22	phrik	Title: FS#73828 : containerd installing to wrong location - breaks docker. (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-02-17 03:21:30	mrkirby153	Not sure if backdating will work cos of the gcc update
2022-02-17 03:22:19	mrkirby153	Huh, guess downgrading does work lmao
2022-02-17 03:22:22	mrkirby153	That solves that problem
2022-02-17 03:23:47	mpan	mrkirby153: you may also try fixing <https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/commit/9fd350a8e67a7d0016ad450a6713c2078fd8f1d9> and rebuilding locally.
2022-02-17 03:23:52	thrice	or just stop working for tonight, I'm sure it'll be a quick-to-fix thing tomorrow or so
2022-02-17 03:24:07	mrkirby153	Yeah, downgrading worked, presumably when i run an upgrade tomorrow it'll be fixed
2022-02-17 03:24:46	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-02-17 03:34:02	DeepDayze	Or just downgrade then wait for the fixed package
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2022-02-17 04:19:17	ectospasm	I figured out how to use prune, and I ultimately cleared nearly 4T from my cloud storage.  I'm very happy with the results!
2022-02-17 04:19:36	ectospasm	Oops, wrong channel
2022-02-17 04:23:39	DeepDayze	oops a spasm in the ectoplasm!
2022-02-17 04:23:42	DeepDayze	:)
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2022-02-17 04:42:43	ectospasm	Heh, I almost got highlighted.
2022-02-17 04:42:50	ectospasm	But not quite!
2022-02-17 04:49:21	DeepDayze	LOL
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2022-02-17 05:34:22	feinedsquirrel	What I'm trying to do is get the length of the error code. $#%? only ever returns "2" but if I assign %? to a variable, and echo the variable, it shows as 0, or as 130, etc. so I know the variable is getting assigned correctly, but even echo $#err_code only ever prints "2"
2022-02-17 05:40:19	tirnanog	I think you're getting your sigils in a twist.
2022-02-17 05:41:04	tirnanog	awk 'BEGIN { exit 255 }'; echo "${#?}" works fine. zsh also appears to tolerate "$#?" (bash/sh wouldn't).
2022-02-17 05:43:54	tirnanog	the internal representation of the exit status value is immaterial. you don't need to concern yourself with it. $? is synthetic to begin with.
2022-02-17 05:44:14	feinedsquirrel	yeah, I realized between posting that when it was returning a lenght of "2", it was just saying err_code is 2 chars long: % and ?. the expansion was happening when I stuck it in ${}. Been trying a few options. 
2022-02-17 05:44:42	feinedsquirrel	will throw yours in there to verify.
2022-02-17 05:44:50	tirnanog	to want to know the length of $? is a pretty strange thing to begin with. still, that kind of PE works just as with any other variable.
2022-02-17 05:48:55	tirnanog	I see. %? is a prompt escape - something else. I don't know whether you can use PE with that at all. that's probaly a good question for #zsh.
2022-02-17 05:51:14	feinedsquirrel	yeah, I wonderd. I'll ask over there. It isn't happy with several variations of what you suggested. Thanks for trying!
2022-02-17 05:51:33	tirnanog	what's the actual goal?
2022-02-17 05:54:00	feinedsquirrel	First line of the prompt prints dashes the width of the window. Currently I have the error code printed at the beginning of the right prompt, on the second line (just below the dashes) If the error code is empty (=0) it doesn't get printed, and I have more space. I'd like to move the error code to the right side of the dashes, so I have to (read: would like it to) subtract the number of ...
2022-02-17 05:54:50	feinedsquirrel	characters that will be printed with the error code from the dashes, so that the dashes push up against the error code which is in turn pushed against the right-hand side of the screen
2022-02-17 05:55:42	tirnanog	ok. that's going beyond what I know about zsh. I can confirm one thing, though. parameter expansions are supported on prompt strings, as long as PROMPT_SUBST is set. just read that in zshmisc.
2022-02-17 05:56:08	tirnanog	e.g. setopt PROMPT_SUBST; PS1='%? ${#?} ' does what you'd expect.
2022-02-17 05:59:24	feinedsquirrel	yeah, I have that set. And my latest iteration of what you suggested seems to be working. Using your suggestion, I put err_code="${#?}" in the prompt hook precmd function, then included its expansion at the end of my PS1 as a quick and dirty test to see if it prints 2, or 3, with different error codes. Now I just need to test if that is a numerical value or a string. Should be numerical, because
2022-02-17 05:59:30	feinedsquirrel	it was created with #?
2022-02-17 06:00:23	tirnanog	yes, it has to be.
2022-02-17 06:00:40	tirnanog	I mean, I don't see how it couldn't be unless you accidentally stop setting PROMPT_SUBST.
2022-02-17 06:01:41	tirnanog	it's certainly always numerical with ordinary parameter expansion, ${#name}, ${#?} etc.
2022-02-17 06:02:47	feinedsquirrel	yep, the test just worked. I'll still ask over on #zsh to see if anyone can explain the difference between using #? and $#%? My gut feeling is the prompt expansion %? does some things differently "in the zsh c code", if extrapolating the answer from https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/579773/difference-between-fcolor-and-fgcolor-in-zsh-prompt/580488 would make sense
2022-02-17 06:02:48	phrik	Title: Difference between %F{color} and %{$fg[color]%} in zsh prompt - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2022-02-17 06:04:33	tirnanog	#? is nothing by itself, surely.
2022-02-17 06:04:40	tirnanog	although, zsh has surprised me before.
2022-02-17 06:05:28	tirnanog	stepping back for a moment, ${#name} is a form of parameter expansion that predates zsh. you'll find it in bash and various other shells.
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2022-02-17 06:22:18	feinedsquirrel	yeah, no it didn't. :D It may depend on some of the options, though. i was reading through chapter 16 earlier, and I remember it saying something about } sometimes being special. But, that may have been in context of functions. It is a really long chapter, and it has been a long day.
2022-02-17 06:23:49	feinedsquirrel	tirnanog: the number of dashes is calculated from $COLUMNS, and so I just subtract the number of characters that will be printed from the error code, and attach the error code at the end of the dashes. If the error code is 0, then I just draw $COLUMNS of dashes
2022-02-17 06:30:54	tirnanog	incidentally, ${name,} is for lower-casing in bash. var1=Foo; var2=Boo; echo "${var1,} ${var1,F} ${var1,B} ${var2,B}"
2022-02-17 06:31:17	tirnanog	though ${name,,} is probably more commonly used.
2022-02-17 06:32:31	feinedsquirrel	Oh, cool, good to know.
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2022-02-17 07:06:22	noobaroo	How to apply this patch https://st.suckless.org/patches/scrollback/ to st?
2022-02-17 07:06:24	phrik	Title: st - simple terminal | suckless.org software that sucks less (at st.suckless.org)
2022-02-17 07:07:59	masoudd	noobaroo, see man patch
2022-02-17 07:11:12	masoudd	noobaroo, If you're making st with aur st-git package, you can make a directory "patches" besides the PKGBUILD and put the diffs you want to apply there. See the PKGBUILD for more
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2022-02-17 10:06:18	jirido	While just updated the system and with it came nodejs 17.4.0-1 but still node -v as root tells me 10.19 and as user 12.16.1 ... what is that all about?
2022-02-17 10:06:32	grawity	hmm so I could successfully build it on my 32 GB box
2022-02-17 10:06:48	grawity	jirido: take a look at what `type -a node` shows
2022-02-17 10:07:34	jirido	grawity: yeah..
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2022-02-17 10:07:59	jirido	just like that.. how do I upgrade node to latest for all?
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2022-02-17 10:25:57	LordRishav	BrainDamage: For some reason everything is set to "POSIX" when run in a terminal emulator
2022-02-17 10:26:22	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-17 10:26:26	BrainDamage	so something is overriding your locale, check sway's config
2022-02-17 10:26:41	BrainDamage	and how you launch sway
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2022-02-17 10:27:54	LordRishav	BrainDamage: Nothing in sway config related to it
2022-02-17 10:28:07	BrainDamage	then check how you launch sway
2022-02-17 10:28:22	BrainDamage	be it a dm, or a shell script or whatever
2022-02-17 10:28:32	Repentinus	LordRishav, if you are not using a login manager to launch Sway, then it inherits its settings from the vt used to launch it.
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2022-02-17 10:30:22	Repentinus	So if your vts use C as their locale (check /etc/locale.conf), Sway will use it too unless you specifically override locale environment variables upon launching Sway.
2022-02-17 10:30:48	LordRishav	BrainDamage: Launching sway is handled by my login shell (zsh) by having exec zsh in ~/.zshenv
2022-02-17 10:31:36	grawity	of all places .zshenv seems like the weirdest one
2022-02-17 10:32:03	LordRishav	Repentinus: /etc/locale.conf just has LANG=en_IN.UTF-8 (my preferred locale) in it
2022-02-17 10:32:11	Tom^	if you actually exec zsh it might be worth knowing all "non" exported variables are lost.
2022-02-17 10:32:21	jirido	grawity: when I do pacman -Qo on /usr/bin/node it says /usr/bin/node is owned by nodejs 17.4.0-1 but when telling nvm to use system it say Now using system version of node: v12.16.1 (npm v8.3.2) 
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2022-02-17 10:33:00	LordRishav	grawity: Where should I keep it then
2022-02-17 10:33:57	grawity	idk, but something like .zprofile seems more fitting
2022-02-17 10:34:22	grawity	(or .zshlogin or what's it called?)
2022-02-17 10:34:29	Khorne	.zlogin
2022-02-17 10:34:45	grawity	yeah
2022-02-17 10:35:05	jirido	nvm -ls-remote list a 17.4.0 so should not nvm use system be using 17.4.0 instead of 12.16.1?
2022-02-17 10:35:24	Khorne	Ask nvm support
2022-02-17 10:35:53	jirido	did it hurt?
2022-02-17 10:36:06	Tom^	grawity: if i understand this right, exec zsh in .zprofile means all non exported variables are lost. does that mean all env vars besides the ones being exported in .zshrc is now lost? meaning his LANG is now "" and it just fallbacks to C
2022-02-17 10:36:08	LordRishav	.zprofile should also work, let me try logging in again
2022-02-17 10:36:21	Tom^	grawity: or .zshenv or whatever he now used :p
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2022-02-17 10:37:57	jmariondev	(do they mean `exec sway`? you wouldn't want to exec zsh within zsh's rc files?)
2022-02-17 10:38:02	Tom^	either he typoed and meant exec sway, or he is actually exec zsh and loading sway in .zshrc or something silly lol
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2022-02-17 10:38:31	grawity	Tom^: no, all envvars that were originally imported by zsh will also be exported by zsh
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2022-02-17 10:39:16	LordRishav	Hmm, neither .zprofile nor .zlogin worked
2022-02-17 10:39:45	LordRishav	But launching sway from the shell on the tty worked with no locale errors now
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2022-02-17 11:00:05	baltazar	(why can't pacdiff fall back to neovim if vim is not installed?)
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2022-02-17 11:00:49	grawity	because "fall back" generally means falling back to a more generic tool, not 100 specific ones
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2022-02-17 11:02:39	jmariondev	`ln -s /usr/local/bin/vim /usr/bin/nvim`
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2022-02-17 11:03:04	mkoskar	eww, just set EDITOR
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2022-02-17 11:03:25	jmariondev	sorry, wrong way around: `ln -s /usr/bin/nvim /usr/local/bin/vim`
2022-02-17 11:03:25	baltazar	nope, it doesn't
2022-02-17 11:03:39	baltazar	you have to set DIFFPROG
2022-02-17 11:03:44	mkoskar	well it follows something, prob not EDITOR now thinking about it
2022-02-17 11:04:02	mkoskar	ah right
2022-02-17 11:04:04	baltazar	> diffprog=${DIFFPROG:-'vim -d'}
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2022-02-17 11:06:09	jmariondev	(I have that symlink only to be able to `vi file`, but I realize now a shell alias is probably more appropriate)
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2022-02-17 11:19:21	txtsd	I'm looking I'm looking for a systray app to add entries to maintain a list of current tasks I'm done. I go on tangents easily while researching, and I forget what I was doing in the first place, so my intention is to type a task in the systray app before I start, so whenever I'm lost I can pop ip up to remind myself.
2022-02-17 11:20:16	susi	LordRishav: remember that zsh does not source/execute /etc/profile nor /etc/profile.d files
2022-02-17 11:21:40	LordRishav	susi: Indeed, ended up executing sway with .zshrc
2022-02-17 11:22:12	jmariondev	on arch zsh does source /etc/profile: https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/zsh/trunk/zprofile
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2022-02-17 11:23:43	susi	.zshrc just does not feel the right place to execute sway :-) I'd modify the environment so that it could be executed in .zlogin or .zprofile
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2022-02-17 11:24:33	LordRishav	if [ -z $DISPLAY ] && [ "$(tty)" = "/dev/tty1" ]; then
2022-02-17 11:24:35	LordRishav	  sway
2022-02-17 11:24:37	LordRishav	fi
2022-02-17 11:24:54	LordRishav	This is basically what I ended up adding to my .zshrc
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2022-02-17 11:25:41	jelle	LordRishav: .zshrc is sourced every time you open a shell
2022-02-17 11:26:29	LordRishav	jelle: That's why that 'if' statement is in there :)
2022-02-17 11:27:09	jmariondev	archwiki suggests what LordRishav has done: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xinit#Autostart_X_at_login
2022-02-17 11:27:10	phrik	Title: xinit - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-17 11:27:26	susi	LordRishav: and then if you switch with ctrl-alt-f3 to virtual console?
2022-02-17 11:27:26	jelle	jmariondev: in .zprofile not .zshrc
2022-02-17 11:27:45	susi	to another virtual console*
2022-02-17 11:27:59	jmariondev	true, though the tty conditional means the effect is the same
2022-02-17 11:28:06	susi	oh, there was that /dev/tty1, nvm
2022-02-17 11:28:29	LordRishav	susi: Yeah then sway won't launch in tty3 as required, it will only launch in tty1 and when $DISPLAY isn't set
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2022-02-17 12:07:24	drathir_tor	MacGyver: its a bit tricky with reporting that one and kind of funy to detect as remember pacman not really complain just try to redownload repository all over again with every -Syuw and sometimes decided reporting broken packages with missmatch of singantures... still its really really rare when cloudflare throw redirect to errors on repos...
2022-02-17 12:07:26	eoli3n	lets try to flash that iso on usb stick and hardware boot this
2022-02-17 12:07:55	eoli3n	i mean "physically" 
2022-02-17 12:08:56	drathir_tor	eoli3n: 8G should be fine unless system is out of memory to assign resources...
2022-02-17 12:09:01	jmariondev	here's the output of booting the iso in qemu: https://bpa.st/IGUA
2022-02-17 12:09:03	phrik	Title: View paste IGUA (at bpa.st)
2022-02-17 12:09:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-17 12:09:10	eoli3n	host is not out of memory
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2022-02-17 12:09:32	eoli3n	jmariondev the only diff is loadkeys fr :D
2022-02-17 12:09:34	eoli3n	lets try without
2022-02-17 12:09:37	eoli3n	would be funny
2022-02-17 12:10:45	drathir_tor	eoli3n: from curiosity i would probably just throw dd to some file and check if as well would complain about unable to write into file...
2022-02-17 12:11:14	drathir_tor	eoli3n: ofc inside live iso...
2022-02-17 12:11:26	eoli3n	crazy fu....
2022-02-17 12:11:28	eoli3n	it works without loadkeys fr
2022-02-17 12:11:57	jmariondev	make sure it's not some transient issue, try to get it to fail again?
2022-02-17 12:12:11	eoli3n	lets try to reproduce
2022-02-17 12:13:11	drathir_tor	eoli3n: if different keymap would be a problem that would be funny one... ;p
2022-02-17 12:13:52	eoli3n	https://x0.at/LV8j.png
2022-02-17 12:14:08	eoli3n	lets try to rerun with loadkeys then
2022-02-17 12:15:28	eoli3n	hey...
2022-02-17 12:15:35	eoli3n	now it works even with loadkeys
2022-02-17 12:15:59	jmariondev	yeah, i can't get it to fail even with `loadkeys fr`, it must have been some transient issue
2022-02-17 12:17:00	jmariondev	maybe run a memetest as MacGyver suggested
2022-02-17 12:17:19	eoli3n	how to ?
2022-02-17 12:17:34	eoli3n	https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/memtest86+/
2022-02-17 12:17:35	eoli3n	ok
2022-02-17 12:17:35	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - memtest86+ 5.31b-1 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2022-02-17 12:18:20	⚡ 	drathir_tor kind of wonder if memtest get ever native uefi upgrade... ^^
2022-02-17 12:18:23	eoli3n	ah from the iso menu
2022-02-17 12:19:09	jmariondev	does the BIOS mode of ISO offer a memtest in the boot menu? looks like UEFI menu does not
2022-02-17 12:19:51	drathir_tor	jmariondev: yea bios boot mode grub autodetect andd add memtest entry...
2022-02-17 12:21:05	eoli3n	ah.. https://www.memtest.org/#downiso
2022-02-17 12:21:07	phrik	Title: Memtest86+ - Advanced Memory Diagnostic Tool (at www.memtest.org)
2022-02-17 12:21:13	eoli3n	it doesn't support efi boot ?
2022-02-17 12:21:17	drathir_tor	jmariondev: and iso since it only offer 64bit not sure if provide sustem info and memtest anymore (it was a while i used non uefi installs)
2022-02-17 12:21:42	jmariondev	same, i haven't done a BIOS install in a long time
2022-02-17 12:22:16	jmariondev	eoli3n: yeah i've always used their ISO but I'm not sure if there's an advantage vs running via archiso?
2022-02-17 12:22:27	eoli3n	i can't run both
2022-02-17 12:22:39	eoli3n	on archiso no memtest entry, and booting the iso in efi mode lead to efi shell
2022-02-17 12:22:42	eoli3n	leads
2022-02-17 12:24:47	jmariondev	to clarify, you're running memtest on the host, right?
2022-02-17 12:24:53	jmariondev	running memtest in a VM is not helpful
2022-02-17 12:25:33	jmariondev	it looks like the version at memtest86.com supports UEFI, and that's also the version Corsair suggests in their KB: https://help.corsair.com/hc/en-us/articles/4413740029709-How-to-Run-Memtest86-to-check-for-RAM-faults
2022-02-17 12:25:34	drathir_tor	eoli3n: switch to hybrid cms boot could show entries, but allegedly some m$ versions could not like that while installed in uefi mode (however not noticed such behaviour myself especially while not tried boot from hdd)...
2022-02-17 12:26:59	drathir_tor	jmariondev: oh nice thats good news wonder why not yet packaged into AL repository...
2022-02-17 12:27:17	eoli3n	jmariondev ah no, i didn't get that
2022-02-17 12:27:45	eoli3n	i will, lets eat first
2022-02-17 12:27:48	eoli3n	thanks for helping
2022-02-17 12:28:18	jmariondev	yeah, it could be indicative of a (host) hardware problem, and you won't be able to test all of memory without having control over it
2022-02-17 12:28:19	jmariondev	probably best to run overnight, it will probably take a while to do a couple passes
2022-02-17 12:29:02	drathir_tor	jmariondev: unless its still a "pro" version suppporting uefi and have some distribute restrictions...
2022-02-17 12:29:40	jmariondev	that's probably it, yeah. i think 86+ is a separate free version?
2022-02-17 12:38:29	LordRishav	Lxappearance segfaults on start
2022-02-17 12:39:23	LordRishav	Can't really decipher anything from coredumpctl, can anyone help me?
2022-02-17 12:43:26	Edu4rdSHL	LordRishav, which lxappearance package do you have?
2022-02-17 12:43:37	LordRishav	Edu4rdSHL: lxapperance-gtk3
2022-02-17 12:43:51	Edu4rdSHL	Are you using wayland? That one works fine here
2022-02-17 12:44:39	LordRishav	I am using Wayland
2022-02-17 12:46:18	thrice	system up to date?  and, anything funky from the aur?
2022-02-17 12:47:50	LordRishav	Well I have almost 34 packages from the AUR, most of them are *-git versions of packages
2022-02-17 12:48:35	LordRishav	Something that may affect this is sway-git, wlroots-git
2022-02-17 12:48:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-17 12:48:53	Foxboron	Do you know when you should be doing rebuilds of your git packages?
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2022-02-17 12:49:00	Foxboron	or do you just willynilly build it every now and then?
2022-02-17 12:49:35	LordRishav	I just rebuild them every 3 days
2022-02-17 12:51:45	thrice	are any of those packages in the gtk3 stack?
2022-02-17 12:52:09	Edu4rdSHL	!give Foxboron coffee
2022-02-17 12:52:10	phrik	Foxboron: way too much coffee, but if it weren't for the coffee, I'd have no identifiable personality whatsoever.
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2022-02-17 12:53:52	LordRishav	thrice: Nope
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2022-02-17 12:54:54	LordRishav	I can upload the list of packages to some pastebin if you want :)
2022-02-17 12:54:59	◣	duxsco (~Thunderbi@user/duxsco) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2022-02-17 12:54:59	thrice	well, maybe paste the error you see?  list of pcakages?  something?
2022-02-17 12:54:59	ℹ 	duxco es conocido ahora como duxsco
2022-02-17 12:55:13	thrice	I probably can't decipher the strace myself, but can just say it works here
2022-02-17 12:55:24	thrice	could try a fresh user account, try it on X
2022-02-17 12:55:27	rcf	Even if it doesn't seem immediately useful the backtrace would give some vague idea. 
2022-02-17 12:55:45	LordRishav	thrice: All it says is "zsh: segmentation fault (core dumped)  lxappearance"
2022-02-17 12:55:49	Edu4rdSHL	`coredumpctl gdb`
2022-02-17 12:55:51	Edu4rdSHL	:D
2022-02-17 12:55:53	LordRishav	Atleast on the commandline
2022-02-17 12:56:00	Edu4rdSHL	And then `r`
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2022-02-17 12:59:24	LordRishav	https://0x0.st/o8fM.txt
2022-02-17 12:59:31	LordRishav	Coredump output for lxappearance
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2022-02-17 15:13:00	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1498 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1497 normals)
2022-02-17 13:00:49	Namarrgon	pacman -Qm
2022-02-17 13:01:21	Namarrgon	either replace all your custom stuff with official packages or start rebuilding the custom stuff
2022-02-17 13:02:29	selckin	LordRishav: you're not the first to have this kind of crash (maybe not exact the same) https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/67697
2022-02-17 13:03:30	selckin	LordRishav: run it with gdb and debug symbols, get a full backtrace
2022-02-17 13:03:54	rcf	That is the exact bug here. 
2022-02-17 13:04:39	LordRishav	Let me try rebuilding all my custom packages Namarrgon 
2022-02-17 13:04:47	LordRishav	selckin: Trying gdb
2022-02-17 13:05:07	thrice	did you read that bug report?
2022-02-17 13:05:25	thrice	GDK_BACKEND=x11 lxappearance   might be worth a shot
2022-02-17 13:06:38	LordRishav	thrice: It worked, oh well perhaps lxappearance just doesn't support Wayland then
2022-02-17 13:08:34	LordRishav	Thanks
2022-02-17 13:47:11	susi	I removed /etc/pacman.d/gnupg and re-run pacman-key --init and --populate, and now trying to install anything gives "error: failed to synchronize all databases (no servers configured for repository)"
2022-02-17 13:47:22	susi	but I do have exactly same pacman.conf and mirrorlist as before
2022-02-17 13:49:49	Scimmia	post them
2022-02-17 13:52:01	susi	this is my pacman.conf https://0x0.st/o8fl.txt and this is mirrorlist https://0x0.st/o8fI.txt
2022-02-17 13:52:29	jelle	last entry is invalid
2022-02-17 13:52:37	jelle	[repo-ck]
2022-02-17 13:52:57	susi	heh, yeah, thanks :) why it wasn't problem before?
2022-02-17 13:53:10	jelle	I don't know what you did before
2022-02-17 13:53:23	susi	I don't think I just removed '#' from [repo-ck] line
2022-02-17 13:56:14	susi	obviously it should have been there, but I don't remember deleting it recently, so almost surely I have run -Syu's with that same pacman.conf, missing '#'
2022-02-17 13:57:29	susi	more likely I have forgotten to comment out that [repo-ck] line when I have commented out the next line and abandoned that repo
2022-02-17 14:01:18	eoli3n	ok, so now my keyring problem seems to not occurs anymore
2022-02-17 14:01:19	eoli3n	but
2022-02-17 14:01:20	eoli3n	https://github.com/eoli3n/arch-config/blob/zfsbootmenu/scripts/zfs/install/02-install.sh#L87-L90
2022-02-17 14:01:45	eoli3n	i get on that last line, "F75d9d76 could not be locally signed"
2022-02-17 14:02:08	jelle	what key is F75D9D76
2022-02-17 14:02:12	eoli3n	just before i got "key was created xxxxx second in the future"
2022-02-17 14:02:18	eoli3n	key of archzfs 
2022-02-17 14:02:24	jelle	ah ok
2022-02-17 14:02:31	Scimmia	is you're time wrong?
2022-02-17 14:03:43	eoli3n	Scimmia i'm wondering... i get ~01:03:31 PM UTC
2022-02-17 14:04:01	eoli3n	it seems ok to me
2022-02-17 14:04:22	Scimmia	or is it complaining about your local master key?
2022-02-17 14:04:23	eoli3n	at GMT+1 i get 02:03:31 PM
2022-02-17 14:04:56	eoli3n	i'm on physical host now, lets take a picture, just a sec
2022-02-17 14:06:22	eoli3n	https://x0.at/XBXd.jpg
2022-02-17 14:06:46	jelle	timedatectl is your friend eoli3n 
2022-02-17 14:07:19	eoli3n	lets check, thanks
2022-02-17 14:07:34	Scimmia	eoli3n: what is that key listed? The pacman local master key?
2022-02-17 14:08:04	eoli3n	hm, how to know ? probably the master key yes, but I don't know how to check
2022-02-17 14:08:14	Scimmia	pacman-key --list-keys <keyid>
2022-02-17 14:08:45	eoli3n	yes it is
2022-02-17 14:09:00	susi	ideas why pacman didn't complain about that sync error before resetting all keys even though the same invalid "[repo-ck]" line was present in my pacman.conf for longest time already?
2022-02-17 14:09:04	eoli3n	and timedatectl says that clock is synchronized and NTP active
2022-02-17 14:09:10	Scimmia	then what happened is that pacman-key --init created the key, usually on boot, then your clock went backwards
2022-02-17 14:09:23	eoli3n	ok, i get what you mean
2022-02-17 14:09:25	rcf	eoli3n: your clock is fine now, but it *was* wrong. 
2022-02-17 14:09:53	eoli3n	if i pacman-key --init, will it overwrite the current one ?
2022-02-17 14:10:00	eoli3n	lets man
2022-02-17 14:10:42	eoli3n	the strange thing is that, that part is run in the chrooted env
2022-02-17 14:11:28	Scimmia	the keyring is initialized when you boot the ISO, then that is copied by pacstrap
2022-02-17 14:11:36	eoli3n	oh ok
2022-02-17 14:13:11	eoli3n	--init in man, ensure that the keyring is properly initialized. When i run it manually in chroot it give the same "created in futur" error. Is it ok to destroy the keyring in chroot and then re-init it ?
2022-02-17 14:14:07	Scimmia	sure, you actually follow the procedure susi was just talking about
2022-02-17 14:14:20	eoli3n	but as I reinstall archlinux-keyring package, should'nt it "pre" fix this ?
2022-02-17 14:14:21	eoli3n	https://github.com/eoli3n/arch-config/blob/zfsbootmenu/scripts/zfs/install/02-install.sh#L87
2022-02-17 14:14:22	eoli3n	?
2022-02-17 14:14:28	Scimmia	no
2022-02-17 14:14:47	eoli3n	i didn't see susi line, sorry
2022-02-17 14:15:38	eoli3n	what I miss, is how to destroy the current keyring
2022-02-17 14:33:53	Scimmia	is this a physical system? VM?
2022-02-17 14:34:21	suss	eoli3n is there any way of partition tools via shell script? 
2022-02-17 14:34:57	Scimmia	suss: sfdisk/sgdisk
2022-02-17 14:35:24	suss	by your installer you did it manually right?
2022-02-17 14:36:20	rcf	eoli3n: are you dual-booting with Windows by chance? 
2022-02-17 14:36:39	eoli3n	no i don't
2022-02-17 14:36:47	eoli3n	why that ?
2022-02-17 14:37:08	eoli3n	suss check the previous scrip
2022-02-17 14:37:09	eoli3n	t
2022-02-17 14:37:10	eoli3n	in the dir
2022-02-17 14:37:17	eoli3n	https://github.com/eoli3n/arch-config/tree/zfsbootmenu/scripts/zfs/install
2022-02-17 14:37:21	rcf	eoli3n: It defaults to RTC local time and is responsible for 99.9% of these issues 
2022-02-17 14:37:33	rcf	You end up fighting between Windows NTP client and Linux NTP client. 
2022-02-17 14:37:40	eoli3n	ah ok
2022-02-17 14:37:44	eoli3n	didn't know
2022-02-17 14:38:21	eoli3n	actually rereading my script i found https://github.com/eoli3n/arch-config/blob/zfsbootmenu/scripts/zfs/install/01-configure.sh#L14
2022-02-17 14:38:33	rcf	I suppose truly asinine firmware could do it as well, though running as a VM would be more likely 
2022-02-17 14:43:24	susi	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_time#UTC_in_Microsoft_Windows this might be useful if having dual-boot setup
2022-02-17 14:43:25	phrik	Title: System time - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-17 14:44:49	rcf	Indeed that is what I do 
2022-02-17 14:52:35	susi	when I run gpg with --homedir /etc/pacman.d/gnupg, it always says WARNING: unsafe ownership on homedir -- it's default 755
2022-02-17 14:53:37	Eldeberen	ownership, not permissions
2022-02-17 14:54:06	Eldeberen	I think it's because it's 755 on root:root and you access it from user
2022-02-17 14:54:07	susi	ah, right. is it 'unsafe' because gpg run with user privileges and homedir being root:root
2022-02-17 14:54:14	Eldeberen	I think so
2022-02-17 15:01:40	susi	what should one do with errors like these that appear during --refresh-keys: https://0x0.st/o8OM.txt
2022-02-17 15:04:29	Namarrgon	is it fatal or does gnupg continue? you posted only partial output
2022-02-17 15:04:46	jelle	susi: it's not fatal
2022-02-17 15:05:16	susi	but it's scary when I don't understand it
2022-02-17 15:05:24	Namarrgon	why are you running --refresh-keys anyway?
2022-02-17 15:06:50	susi	I had problems running it before resetting the keys so I wanted to compare some outputs now
2022-02-17 15:07:02	rcf	Breaking the keyring seems popular today 
2022-02-17 15:07:36	jelle	susi: the output explains why it fails
2022-02-17 15:07:57	jelle	there is no WKD for that domain
2022-02-17 15:09:20	Namarrgon	many maintainers have non-@archlinux.org IDs in the there
2022-02-17 15:09:32	Namarrgon	*in the keyring
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2022-02-17 15:14:55	susi	one thing I was surprised too was that pacman-key --init finished immediately, even though this is very low-end hardware from 2017
2022-02-17 15:14:58	drathir_tor	rcf: yea there is tiny useful reg script for m$ to force utc after that there is no more issues with time jump while dualboot... and good to not forget linux write time ho hwclock on mb....
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2022-02-17 15:15:02	susi	it felt too quick
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2022-02-17 15:16:34	drathir_tor	susi: pacman-key init not do as much if good remember just import trusted keys into keyring...
2022-02-17 15:17:40	drathir_tor	susi: i guess if not wrong its even locally import no network connection needed....
2022-02-17 15:17:47	susi	wiki tells the initialization requires loads of entropy, and can take long time
2022-02-17 15:18:07	susi	but for me it finishes immediately, which feels suspicious 
2022-02-17 15:18:32	drathir_tor	susi: much longer in my experience takes upgrade of keyring, bc of revoking all the keys...
2022-02-17 15:19:08	jelle	susi: this is not after a cold reboot I presume
2022-02-17 15:19:26	susi	nope, almost 2 day uptime
2022-02-17 15:19:33	jelle	then entropy is fine
2022-02-17 15:20:26	drathir_tor	susi: kind of wonder and not not sure if wipe /etc/pacman.d/gnupg/ made it longer for provisioning...
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2022-02-17 15:22:27	drathir_tor	susi: cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail
2022-02-17 15:23:26	susi	about 3800, seems to be "enough"
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2022-02-17 15:25:03	drathir_tor	susi: yep same here over 3.8k at ancient hw (no hwrng of any kind onboard)...
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2022-02-17 15:29:09	drathir_tor	susi: also not sure if still in default fresh install is used "haveged"
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2022-02-17 15:30:57	susi	I don't have haveged, but I trust jelle's account (and others silence) that there's no problem with this, so np
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2022-02-17 15:31:56	drathir_tor	susi: thanks for confirm seems like is not used anymore in clean install than...
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2022-02-17 15:32:33	Edu4rdSHL	susi, when you have problems with keyring just `pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su`
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2022-02-17 15:34:39	susi	one question remains though - it's stated in multiple places that pacman-key --populate prompts to verify the five master keys, but has this behavior changed?
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2022-02-17 15:35:33	Edu4rdSHL	It doesn't prompts anything, as far as I know.
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2022-02-17 15:35:39	drathir_tor	susi: or in some rare cases just verify repo used sonmetimes out of sync ones like to throw broken packages keys missmatch... disk near to dead could cause that as well when write packages gets corrupted...
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2022-02-17 15:42:14	susi	I have had my share of corruptions in the past, unjournaled filesystem on cheap emmc flash
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2022-02-17 15:43:10	suss	i've only solved the key issue mostof time by replacing keyserver with kerserver.ubuntu.com for these days. 
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2022-02-17 15:59:43	CarloWood	When something goes wrong during rebooting, I want to be dropped in an emergency mode shell... It should ask for my password though. But what happens is that it says:
2022-02-17 16:00:26	CarloWood	Could not open access to console, the root account is locked.  // Read sulogin(8) man page for more details.
2022-02-17 16:00:48	Namarrgon	do you have passwd and/or shadow in the initramfs?
2022-02-17 16:02:06	CarloWood	Oh, I guess not.  I was just looking at the normal passwd and shadow.
2022-02-17 16:02:15	susi	and you have not disabled root login with passwd -l?
2022-02-17 16:02:52	CarloWood	No, /etc/shadow just looks normal with a hash for the password etc, just like the normal account.
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2022-02-17 16:04:07	Edu4rdSHL	CarloWood, live USB is the only thing that will rescue you
2022-02-17 16:04:42	grazzolini	CarloWood: I don't suggest you put shadow on the initramfs
2022-02-17 16:04:42	CarloWood	Fortunately I don't have a problem right now, .. I just want to fix this before I do.
2022-02-17 16:04:51	CarloWood	grazzolini: no?
2022-02-17 16:05:14	CarloWood	Then what should I do to be able to rescue a broken machine?
2022-02-17 16:05:38	grazzolini	CarloWood: there isn't much you can do from the initramfs
2022-02-17 16:05:49	grazzolini	it is meant to mount root, not much else
2022-02-17 16:05:59	CarloWood	?
2022-02-17 16:06:12	CarloWood	That's all I need to fix it no?  And a shell.
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2022-02-17 16:06:53	grazzolini	CarloWood: the initramfs doesn't have many tools. so, it really depends on what you need to fix.
2022-02-17 16:07:16	CarloWood	I am concluding from Namarrgon's question that it tells me that the root account is locked because of what the initramfs sees as passwd / shadow.
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2022-02-17 16:07:44	CarloWood	You're saying I'll need a rescue stick anyway.
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2022-02-17 16:08:55	grazzolini	CarloWood: if you use a base initramfs, you can get a shell by passing break=premount, for example
2022-02-17 16:09:18	grazzolini	if you use systemd based initramfs, you can't get to a shell because you don't have shadow on the initramfs
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2022-02-17 16:10:29	grazzolini	CarloWood: but, regardless if you can or can't get a shell, the initramfs is not meant for most complex fixes, so it's limited in what you can do from it.
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2022-02-17 16:16:39	Franciman	hi , i did sudo pacman -Syu, i have problems with keys
2022-02-17 16:16:43	Franciman	what is happening?
2022-02-17 16:17:05	Namarrgon	something is happening. have you tried updating the archlinux-keyring package first?
2022-02-17 16:17:10	CarloWood	You should try upgrading the keys first
2022-02-17 16:17:21	Franciman	thanks
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2022-02-17 16:18:47	Franciman	thanks, you saved me
2022-02-17 16:19:31	eoli3n	#archlinux should be renames #archlinux-keyring
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2022-02-17 16:21:33	Franciman	so i should always first update archlinux-keyring
2022-02-17 16:21:39	Franciman	and then proceed to full system upgrade
2022-02-17 16:21:44	Franciman	noted
2022-02-17 16:21:51	Franciman	i thought pacman would do this automatically
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2022-02-17 16:23:25	Namarrgon	not always, the keyring stuff currently happens to be in flux
2022-02-17 16:23:39	Franciman	noted, thanks again
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2022-02-17 16:33:06	hugo	can makepkg be told to append a build-id to the package version, to handle rebuilt packages (due to updated dependencies)? 
2022-02-17 16:33:43	Namarrgon	you mean bumping $pkgrel?
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2022-02-17 16:43:00	captex	gday
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2022-02-17 16:44:55	BrainDamage	it's probably unknown by most, but pkgrel allows a sub-definition, so you could eg make a 1.3, 1.4, etc to bump it
2022-02-17 16:45:27	BrainDamage	this allows you to maintain the original pkgrel to compare to upstream if you're tracking an aur pkg not maintained by you
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2022-02-17 16:46:01	susi	https://0x0.st/o8VH.txt in a pam stack like this, what's "password required pam_permit.so" doing?
2022-02-17 16:46:06	hugo	Yeah, I mean bumping pkgrel
2022-02-17 16:46:23	hugo	Is there a better way than editing the PKGBUILD file before makepkg?
2022-02-17 16:46:57	Edu4rdSHL	hugo, no afaik, you can just sed it
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2022-02-17 16:47:52	Edu4rdSHL	I have this script for that https://paste.rs/QBS
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2022-02-17 16:48:50	Edu4rdSHL	It even saves some metadata to avoid bumping it indefinitely, and saves the new PKGBUILD to PKGBUILD.new
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2022-02-17 16:49:32	BrainDamage	you might want to use makepkg to generate srcinfo, it'll give you more reliable information to parse
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2022-02-17 16:49:47	BrainDamage	rather than parsing the raw pkgbuild
2022-02-17 16:50:11	Edu4rdSHL	Sure, it's just a draw that I rarely use
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2022-02-17 17:03:52	zeewark	according to lspci, I have a Intel Ethernet card I219-V and the driver igb and e1000e are getting loaded. But the system complains at boottime: eth0: interface not found 
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2022-02-17 17:03:59	zeewark	how is this possible?
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2022-02-17 17:04:17	Khorne	Is the interface called eth0?
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2022-02-17 17:05:36	zeewark	yes, think so. On simmilar hardware with the same netboot, it's called eth0
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2022-02-17 17:10:13	Khorne	Well the names are exchangeable, also what is trying to use it?
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2022-02-17 17:11:54	zeewark	if it comes with a udev created name, I could handle that too, but ip a shows me only 'lo' 
2022-02-17 17:11:56	bloodfart69	Can I borrow someone's time for a couple minutes? I screwed myself pretty good this time
2022-02-17 17:12:52	selckin	just ask the channel
2022-02-17 17:13:26	Edu4rdSHL	!give bloodfart69 dontasktoask
2022-02-17 17:13:28	phrik	bloodfart69: https://dontasktoask.com/
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2022-02-17 17:14:47	bloodfart69	I mean, it's pretty bad. I misunderstood the mv command. And I was trying to move TWO libaries from /usr/local/lib INTO /usr/lib and I managed to move everything from /usr/lib to /usr/local/lib 
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2022-02-17 17:16:13	jelle	ooo, not super bad
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2022-02-17 17:17:01	selckin	move everything back, and then maybe https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Identify_files_not_owned_by_any_package to find things not belonging there
2022-02-17 17:17:02	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-17 17:17:08	Khorne	zeewark, does lspci list the correct driver for the device?
2022-02-17 17:17:12	Khorne	lspci -k*
2022-02-17 17:17:18	bloodfart69	But idk what files or folder go into there?
2022-02-17 17:17:57	bloodfart69	wait that might work
2022-02-17 17:18:18	Khorne	/usr/local/lib is *likely* empty by default
2022-02-17 17:18:41	Khorne	So, yeet everything back
2022-02-17 17:19:14	Namarrgon	move everything back and then -Qo/-Qkk everything in /usr/lib
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2022-02-17 17:19:53	bloodfart69	Idk what the folder are or files? I can send a link to what's in there 
2022-02-17 17:19:55	zeewark	Khorne: yes it's a Intel I219-V and e1000e is in charge for that. But I have also igb loaded
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2022-02-17 17:20:54	bloodfart69	Idk if that will help? I think I will, and I am pretty freaking desperate
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2022-02-17 17:22:00	Khorne	bloodfart69, what does matter whether you know or not, you moved everything from /usr/lib into /usr/local/lib, so move everything back
2022-02-17 17:22:08	Khorne	And then check whats in the wrong place
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2022-02-17 17:22:47	Khorne	zeewark, okay, I get that..but which driver is the kernel currently using?
2022-02-17 17:22:52	captex	testing
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2022-02-17 17:23:34	Khorne	zeewark, and also why are you loading igb?
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2022-02-17 17:24:31	zeewark	we have a netinstall system with ethernet cards, both from Intel, some use igb, other e1000e 
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2022-02-17 17:25:57	Khorne	zeewark, so is this arch at all?
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2022-02-17 17:26:24	zeewark	not sure what driver is actually used. I suppresed each of them with the commandline module_blacklist=igb   || e1000e
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2022-02-17 17:26:50	zeewark	Khorne: sure it's a Arch system
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2022-02-17 17:27:23	Khorne	Paste dmesg somewhere
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2022-02-17 17:30:10	bloodfart69	I must of mistyped something. It's the morning for me and it's rough right now. What I did is I moved all my /usr/lib/* <-- all of the guts that makes the system work into /usr/local/lib. If I move everything back into /usr/local/lib, it will break the system. I was able to move everything from /usr/local/lib/* back into /usr/lib/* In a sense, all the stuff that was perhaps in there is now in
2022-02-17 17:30:10	bloodfart69	the /usr/lib/* I know something is not right 
2022-02-17 17:30:10	bloodfart69	because polkit isn't working such as if I were to execute corectl I will get this error: Incorrect premissions on /usr/lib/polkit-1/polkit-agent-helper-1 (needs to be setuid root)  
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2022-02-17 17:31:38	Khorne	Well, you did the first part of what we recommended, now do the second
2022-02-17 17:31:46	BrainDamage	mount the system on the installation medium and reinstall all the packages
2022-02-17 17:31:48	Khorne	The error message even explains what's wrong there
2022-02-17 17:31:56	BrainDamage	it'll be shorter than fixing your mess
2022-02-17 17:32:03	Khorne	Or that
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2022-02-17 17:35:26	bloodfart69	Okay. I want to have a plan before I do anything else. I don't have a backup, and I want to be careful. Where should I start so I can formulate a plan?
2022-02-17 17:35:58	Namarrgon	all you need is a working archiso and backups
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2022-02-17 17:36:42	BrainDamage	you can even make the backups from the archiso
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2022-02-17 17:38:18	bloodfart69	I have a working installation meduim. And do you mean by back ups, do you mean pacman's local data base? My brain is fucked up from c++, I recently got done building a connect4 game that includes recrusive functions, references, pointers, functions, casting, etc 
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2022-02-17 17:39:29	BrainDamage	pacman db and your /etc configs
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2022-02-17 17:40:02	BrainDamage	you're unlikely to cripple your /home, but given you've been trying hard so far, you might want to play it safe too
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2022-02-17 17:41:21	hugo	Edu4rdSHL: BrainDamage: Thanks for the tips, I can take it from here :)
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2022-02-17 17:43:46	Edu4rdSHL	:)
2022-02-17 17:43:46	zeewark	Khorne: https://dpaste.com/G8Z93J3JK
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2022-02-17 17:48:11	bloodfart69	Everything I dug up from archlinux is gone from my brain. It's does not exist. It's all been replaced with c++ because some bloody hermit makes me things hard, but hey at least I know more than ever before. Hell, even typing plan english and seeing "if" makes me think where's the code block at? Anyways, I am guessing db means database. And I've digging around and there's a way to create a custom
2022-02-17 17:48:11	bloodfart69	script? I am assuming bash? I am not too fimilar 
2022-02-17 17:48:11	bloodfart69	with bash as for right now. Is there a link I can follow to backup my configs? I am guessing my systemd service files will also be backed up? 
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2022-02-17 17:52:26	BrainDamage	you might want to take a walk and freshen up
2022-02-17 17:52:47	BrainDamage	the pc won't blow up
2022-02-17 17:52:51	Khorne	zeewark, Linux version 4.13.5-1hyLinux... zzz.. also it doesn't say that eth0 isn't found :)
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2022-02-17 17:54:01	MrElendig	zeewark: install arch instead
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2022-02-17 17:55:48	rassawyer	otgulgt
2022-02-17 17:56:35	rassawyer	ki
2022-02-17 17:56:40	Namarrgon	no reason to summon the old ones
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2022-02-17 17:57:18	bloodfart69	I wish I can, but I have to go over lists,mapping,sorting, and some other stuff. I have been using archlinux for everything literally and I just won't to lose everything. I literally don't know how to make a config of my system? I mean I wish? I don't know even know where to start. That's the state I am right now. Again, I will dig around and do what BrainDamage said. I won't upgrade anything
2022-02-17 17:57:18	bloodfart69	cause I know everything is screwed.  
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2022-02-17 17:58:25	zeewark	it's arch linux really
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2022-02-17 17:58:53	zeewark	it's just a little bit special tailord, over the years ...
2022-02-17 17:59:11	JimmyHopkins	Hello
2022-02-17 17:59:18	zeewark	it's arch based however 
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2022-02-17 17:59:48	Khorne	zeewark: well both drivers are loaded,. Dmesg doesn't complain about not being able to find eth0, so the reasonable assumption is your tailor is holding it wrong
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2022-02-17 18:00:18	Warepire	Not to mention the kernel is borderline an antique, and not even LTS.
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2022-02-17 18:01:32	thrice	even my android is on 5.10
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2022-02-17 18:02:19	zeewark	we, working on that. it's time for an update
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2022-02-17 18:02:52	astralc	I have upgrade issues because new ffmpeg break dependency for multiple (non aur) packages, someone else also encounter it?
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2022-02-17 18:03:14	Namarrgon	are you using an unofficial ffmpeg package?
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2022-02-17 18:03:35	astralc	Namarrgon: no, the offical one from the repo
2022-02-17 18:03:40	Namarrgon	post the -Syu output to a paste service
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2022-02-17 18:03:56	Namarrgon	!pastepacman
2022-02-17 18:03:57	phrik	LC_ALL=C pacman --debug <your pacman options> |& tee >(curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io)
2022-02-17 18:04:01	Namarrgon	without the --debug
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2022-02-17 18:05:15	astralc	http://ix.io/3PRW
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2022-02-17 18:05:46	bloodfart69	Would BackupPc work? It does say this: " file-based backups and restore"
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2022-02-17 18:06:20	Namarrgon	astralc: pacman -Q ffmpeg
2022-02-17 18:07:11	astralc	ffmpeg 2:4.4.1-1
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2022-02-18 13:15:47	roxlu	hi, working on an app which sometimes "stalls" or "freezes" and I'm wondering if someone knows if I can get some more info about what might be happening with the app? 
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2022-02-18 13:18:29	varl	roxlu: *random shot in the dark* sounds like a garbage collection pause. what language are you using ?
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2022-02-18 13:21:29	roxlu	varl: I'm using C
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2022-02-18 13:22:26	varl	not a GC-pause then :^)
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2022-02-18 13:24:46	roxlu	i'm curious if it could be a deadlock
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2022-02-18 13:26:07	varl	i'm not familiar with specific tools for C but i'd reach for a profiler and see what's going on
2022-02-18 13:26:15	roxlu	ok thanks
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2022-02-18 13:27:14	varl	good luck :)
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2022-02-18 15:24:40	majuscule	I'm trying to add a udev rule for a keyboard, SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="04b4", RUN+="/usr/local/bin/kvm.sh", but nothing executes. I see the vendor ID from udevadm monitor ID_VENDOR_ID=04b4. what might I be doing wrong?
2022-02-18 15:25:19	majuscule	I've tried manually executing udevadm control --reload but no change. the configuration file is /etc/udev/rules.d/10-kvm.rules
2022-02-18 15:25:20	BrainDamage	udevadm has a monitor mode to see what gets matched and executed
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2022-02-18 15:25:49	BrainDamage	ah, nvm, missed that part of your sentence
2022-02-18 15:26:29	sogun	majuscule: is you script executable?
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2022-02-18 15:29:01	majuscule	yes
2022-02-18 15:29:37	majuscule	-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 72 Feb 18 09:17 /usr/local/bin/kvm.sh
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2022-02-18 15:30:15	sogun	hm, should be fine
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2022-02-18 15:31:21	sogun	cannot be there some rule before yours, that ends rules processing? Or some after which resets your RUN?
2022-02-18 15:31:46	majuscule	oh! i think the subsystem is wrong. even though it's connected over usb, it gets classed as "input"
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2022-02-18 15:32:40	majuscule	no other relevant rules, one for android and one for a trackpad, neither does anything except set groups
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2022-02-18 15:33:01	sogun	yeah, maybe just ry without the subsystem
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2022-02-18 15:34:55	majuscule	ah, no, i was mistaken, it is registering as usb. accidentally looked at the wrong entry. i'll try without the subsystem, and then pastebin the udevadm if still no luck
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2022-02-18 15:38:01	sogun	By the way, if it is kvm, i'd expect it to register like a keybord, in which case the subsystem could be hid
2022-02-18 15:38:09	majuscule	http://ix.io/3PWZ
2022-02-18 15:39:16	majuscule	yes, it is a kvm over usb3.0, currently with just a keyboard and wireless mouse attached
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2022-02-18 15:41:26	shivo	hey, im having problem installing xdg-desktop-portal-gnome-git from AUR, it's giving me this error:
2022-02-18 15:41:37	shivo	xdg-desktop-portal-gnome/src/meson.build:70:0: ERROR: Dependency "gnome-desktop-4" not found, tried pkgconfig and cmake
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2022-02-18 15:44:30	sogun	majuscule: I don't know then. I'd expect it to work
2022-02-18 15:44:42	Edu4rdSHL	shivo, missing dependencies, that package haven't been updated since first submission as well.
2022-02-18 15:44:55	Edu4rdSHL	Just adjust https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/xdg-desktop-portal-gnome/trunk/PKGBUILD to your needs
2022-02-18 15:45:19	sogun	shivo: looks like bug in PKGBUILD
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2022-02-18 15:46:53	shivo	Edu4rdSHL, I'll try out that PKGBUILD you sent, are there any necessary edits i should make beforehand? 
2022-02-18 15:47:27	shivo	sogun: yeah, I'll see if the other PKGBUILD works 
2022-02-18 15:48:36	sogun	majuscule: did you try udevadm test?
2022-02-18 15:48:47	Edu4rdSHL	shivo, yes, convert it to -git
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2022-02-18 15:50:09	shivo	Edu4rdSHL, convert just the pkgname to -git?
2022-02-18 15:50:15	Edu4rdSHL	No
2022-02-18 15:50:40	jelle	so, I just realised I could btrfs send/receive if I want to move my install to a new ssd or am I missing something :)
2022-02-18 15:50:41	sogun	majuscule: you can pass it a path and it will tell you what files it reads and what is the result
2022-02-18 15:50:52	Edu4rdSHL	You need to adjust the source too, the conflicts
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2022-02-18 15:51:18	Edu4rdSHL	shivo, https://paste.rs/n5a
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2022-02-18 15:53:16	sogun	jelle: send just stupidly sends delta, so it can actually break your files you dont have same starting point
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2022-02-18 15:53:50	jelle	sogun: ah so rsync it is?
2022-02-18 15:54:10	shivo	Edu4rdSHL: Thanks, I'll try it and report back in a couple minutes
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2022-02-18 15:54:39	⚡ 	jelle wonders why btrfs would not support this
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2022-02-18 15:55:04	sogun	jelle: i'd rsync or dd
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2022-02-18 15:55:28	jelle	what this makes no sense sogun 
2022-02-18 15:55:32	jelle	why would a btrfs send break
2022-02-18 15:56:33	Ghosthree3	new kernel version, new btrfs problems :(
2022-02-18 15:56:34	sogun	jelle: I am reading man page btrfs-send and you can obviously send full copy of a subvolume, so you can probably do it
2022-02-18 15:57:13	⚡ 	jelle reads https://jonamonleon.wordpress.com/2016/03/28/migrate-btrfs-setup-to-a-new-bigger-or-equal-disk-the-dirty-way/
2022-02-18 15:57:40	jelle	lmao create a raid0
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2022-02-18 15:58:09	Edu4rdSHL	Ghosthree3, the one that afects `autoidefrag` is specially bad
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2022-02-18 15:58:14	Edu4rdSHL	autodefrag *
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2022-02-18 15:58:31	Edu4rdSHL	It can wear your NVMe in some weeks
2022-02-18 15:58:33	Ghosthree3	yea i got warned about autodefrag being made worse in .16 in #btrfs the other day when i asked if i should ever defrag lmao
2022-02-18 15:58:39	Ghosthree3	jesus
2022-02-18 15:58:43	sogun	jelle: I remembered just that incremental part of it. You can stream difference between two  subvols/snapshots, that is musch faster when you have some shared state, But btrfs receive is not clever enough to check if the delta belong where you are trying to apply it
2022-02-18 15:58:46	Ghosthree3	yea im uh just never going to defrag
2022-02-18 15:59:00	jelle	sogun: well, I'm moving to a new ssd so no shared state
2022-02-18 15:59:24	Edu4rdSHL	I was affected by that one, wrote ~50TB to my NVMe
2022-02-18 15:59:24	Edu4rdSHL	:p
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2022-02-18 15:59:40	Edu4rdSHL	In 2 years I have used ~30TB so...
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2022-02-18 16:00:11	⚡ 	selckin puts 5$ on build server
2022-02-18 16:00:24	Ghosthree3	i was pretty much told dont bother defragging ssds/nvmes except maybe very specific files/directories that get really bad
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2022-02-18 16:00:41	sogun	jelle: depends how full your original drive is, but dd might be the fastest in the end
2022-02-18 16:00:59	jelle	sogun: hmm dd
2022-02-18 16:01:00	selckin	defrag as a concept is useless these days
2022-02-18 16:01:07	Ghosthree3	might not be for hdds
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2022-02-18 16:01:18	Ghosthree3	also i really dont know if thats a true statement for btrfs
2022-02-18 16:01:21	Edu4rdSHL	Ghosthree3, well, autodefrag was good when it worked fine, browsers gets benefits from there
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2022-02-18 16:01:30	shivo	Edu4rdSHL: The new PKGBUILD didn't work :-(
2022-02-18 16:01:31	jelle	sogun: dd and then resize?
2022-02-18 16:01:43	Edu4rdSHL	!give shivo didntwork
2022-02-18 16:01:44	phrik	shivo: The answer is 42.
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2022-02-18 16:01:49	shivo	I got the output of makepkg -si here: https://pastebin.com/Gfjc3mGi
2022-02-18 16:01:50	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o8x3.txt
2022-02-18 16:01:51	phrik	Title: xdg-desktop-portal-gnome-git install error - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-02-18 16:02:10	sogun	jelle: If the drive is rather full, i'd do it like that, if it is half free, i'd probably copy
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2022-02-18 16:02:27	shivo	huh, what does "!give USER didntwork" do
2022-02-18 16:02:28	Edu4rdSHL	shivo, I see, well, looks like they introduced a new dependency or something then
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2022-02-18 16:02:41	Edu4rdSHL	!doesnotwork
2022-02-18 16:02:41	phrik	"Does not work?" means nothing. Why doesn't it work? Are there any error messages?
2022-02-18 16:02:45	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-02-18 16:02:50	jelle	sogun: iirc 80GB used 
2022-02-18 16:03:02	sogun	jelle: or i might try that send/recieve also to get idea how fast it is, as it can be maybe faster then rsync
2022-02-18 16:03:24	shivo	oh i see, welp i put the pastebin later anyways XP
2022-02-18 16:03:42	jelle	sogun: I have all night tho :)
2022-02-18 16:03:50	sogun	jelle: i'd decide on percentage, because 50% full mean that with dd i'd be copying 50% of "zeros"
2022-02-18 16:04:04	jelle	yup
2022-02-18 16:04:56	Scimmia	shivo: do you have all of the deps listed in the normal xdg-desktop-portal-gnome package installed?
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2022-02-18 16:07:54	shivo	Scimmia: Yes, I do have all the dependencies
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2022-02-18 16:09:28	jelle	sogun: or btrfs replace
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2022-02-18 16:10:35	sogun	jelle: might work. I never tried
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2022-02-18 16:11:05	jelle	me neither :)
2022-02-18 16:12:15	sogun	jelle: what man page says, makes me think that it is mean more for raid setups
2022-02-18 16:12:45	jelle	sogun: https://poikilos.org/2022/01/30/replace-your-btrfs-on-root-and-reinstall-efi-grub-on-the-new-drive/
2022-02-18 16:12:49	phrik	Title: Replace your BTRFS on root and reinstall EFI grub on the new drive. – Poikilos (at poikilos.org)
2022-02-18 16:13:49	sogun	jelle: but i'd do maybe rsync or send/recieve to have new filesystem uuid. kernel sometimes doesn't like have two distinct filesystem with same uuid
2022-02-18 16:14:18	eoli3n	suss my scripts are finished/tested : you could give it a try in a VM if you would like to : https://github.com/eoli3n/arch-config/tree/zfsbootmenu/scripts/zfs/install
2022-02-18 16:14:52	eoli3n	if you use qemu-kvm+libvirt+vagrant, you can -> https://github.com/eoli3n/arch-config/blob/zfsbootmenu/vagrant/Vagrantfile
2022-02-18 16:15:12	eoli3n	be aware that you need to switch to OVMF in the Vagrantfile, those are for void
2022-02-18 16:15:17	suss	i followed,  
2022-02-18 16:16:05	suss	usefull script for me 
2022-02-18 16:16:38	eoli3n	it uses zfsbootmenu as bootloader, which is the best way to handle root on ZFS IMO
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2022-02-18 16:17:03	suss	i have efistub
2022-02-18 16:17:30	eoli3n	with zfsbootmenu, /boot in on the slash dataset
2022-02-18 16:17:38	eoli3n	then, you can manage boot envs, like for freebsd
2022-02-18 16:17:47	eoli3n	give it a try, it worth it
2022-02-18 16:17:57	eoli3n	https://zfsbootmenu.org/
2022-02-18 16:17:58	phrik	Title: ZFSBootMenu | A boot loader to manage ZFS boot environments (at zfsbootmenu.org)
2022-02-18 16:18:18	suss	sounds good
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2022-02-18 16:31:30	lsrtl_	hey any advice on setting up L2TP over IPSec ?
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2022-02-18 16:52:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-18 16:52:02	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1513 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1512 normals)
2022-02-18 16:37:44	MacGyver	Sure. Don't.
2022-02-18 16:38:22	MacGyver	ipsec is a temperamental beast and you're probably far better of seeing whether e.g. wireguard suits your needs.
2022-02-18 16:40:55	JimmyHopkins	pulseaudio and alsa hate my computer.
2022-02-18 16:42:06	rcf	How so? 
2022-02-18 16:42:48	Edu4rdSHL	The computer hates you
2022-02-18 16:42:50	JimmyHopkins	I've downloaded both, unmuted alsa, tried doing step by step from pulse audio documentation and nothing has worked.
2022-02-18 16:44:29	rcf	JimmyHopkins: is this one of the newer Intel systems that requires sof-firmware? 
2022-02-18 16:44:39	rcf	Just to be sure 
2022-02-18 16:45:24	JimmyHopkins	rcf I've downloaded sof-firmware as well. I'm on AMD not Intel tho.
2022-02-18 16:47:22	Khorne	And what is actuall not working?
2022-02-18 16:47:52	shivo	Edu4rdSHL: The unedited PKGBUILD from the github link you sent seems to work for some reason
2022-02-18 16:49:04	JimmyHopkins	There's no sound, no volume controls either. pulse says "pa_pid_file_create() failed
2022-02-18 16:49:22	Khorne	When doing what?
2022-02-18 16:49:28	Edu4rdSHL	shivo, it uses a specific commit that probably haven't introduced the new dependency
2022-02-18 16:50:50	shivo	Edu4rdSHL: I see, that makes sense. Any way to find out when this new dependency is going to be available?
2022-02-18 16:52:02	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-18 16:54:17	arcadiancomp	Anyone else running Arch as a hypervisor with a ton of VMs?  Libvirt/QEMU/KVM style setup.  Would love to compare notes on bridge configs.
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2022-02-18 17:00:48	Edu4rdSHL	shivo, no idea, I dont use Gnome not their xdg portal too
2022-02-18 17:01:24	ℹ 	Relms-Wah es conocido ahora como Relms
2022-02-18 17:01:26	ℹ 	Relms es conocido ahora como relms
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2022-02-18 17:03:10	hiya	I get local is newer than repo
2022-02-18 17:03:28	hiya	I just change mirror from Italy to Singapore
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2022-02-18 17:03:36	Edu4rdSHL	Time to change the mirror then
2022-02-18 17:03:57	hiya	What is the best cdn repo that is synced properly?
2022-02-18 17:03:57	shivo	Edu4rdSHL: oof, guess i'll deal with long GNOME startup times till this is fixed then, thanks for the help
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2022-02-18 17:04:22	Edu4rdSHL	hiya, I use Server = https://cloudflaremirrors.com/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch 
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2022-02-18 17:04:41	hiya	Edu4rdSHL: just that single?
2022-02-18 17:04:51	Edu4rdSHL	Yes, it's cloudflare :p
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2022-02-18 17:05:10	Edu4rdSHL	I don't think that they have bandwith problems, at least I have never had one
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2022-02-18 17:05:26	hiya	omg, it is so fast :)
2022-02-18 17:05:40	hiya	I will use it for a couple of days and test
2022-02-18 17:05:50	hiya	pacman -Syyu
2022-02-18 17:05:55	hiya	is what I need to do right?
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2022-02-18 17:07:18	Edu4rdSHL	Yes
2022-02-18 17:08:10	Earnestly	Foxboron: https://programming-journal.org/2022/6/13/ - not for any reason, just a note
2022-02-18 17:08:11	phrik	Title: Debootstrapping without Archeology (at programming-journal.org)
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2022-02-18 17:12:37	grawity	lsrtl_: my advice is to avoid L2TP over IPsec, unless you have a good reason for using that combination (like if you're connecting to a work VPN) -- if setting up a brand new one, prefer IPsec IKEv2 (or non-IPsec VPNs like OpenVPN)
2022-02-18 17:12:44	◣	Cienisty (Cienisty@user/cienisty) ha salido (Quit: Error 606 | Demon not found)
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2022-02-18 17:13:40	lsrtl_	grawity, it is for work
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2022-02-18 17:14:13	grawity	then you'll need strongswan for the IPsec part and ... uhh I think xl2tpd is needed for clients as well, for the L2TP part
2022-02-18 17:14:16	grawity	was somewhere in the arch wiki
2022-02-18 17:14:19	lsrtl_	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Openswan_L2TP/IPsec_VPN_client_setup
2022-02-18 17:14:21	phrik	Title: Openswan L2TP/IPsec VPN client setup - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-18 17:14:26	lsrtl_	?
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2022-02-18 17:14:54	grawity	openswan miiiiiight work but I would generally avoid it just because it's getting a bit stale
2022-02-18 17:15:05	grawity	strongswan is actively developed and in Arch repositories
2022-02-18 17:15:08	arjun	hi guys, any easy way to run pre and post snapper snapshots with pacman -Syu like zyyper does for suse?
2022-02-18 17:15:18	grawity	libreswan is not in repos, but is probably fine if you must
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2022-02-18 17:15:31	grawity	openswan is, dunno, last release seems like it was a long time ago
2022-02-18 17:15:45	lsrtl_	ic
2022-02-18 17:15:50	grawity	and any instructions involving racoon go straight to the bin
2022-02-18 17:15:58	Edu4rdSHL	arjun, pacman hooks
2022-02-18 17:16:06	grawity	but the xl2tpd part should be mostly the same for all of them
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2022-02-18 17:17:57	lsrtl_	grawity, one more thing. I presume it should be possible to route only a few addresses via vpn(not all my traffic) ?
2022-02-18 17:18:01	grawity	yes
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2022-02-18 17:18:09	lsrtl_	thx
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2022-02-18 20:28:52	machinehum	I'm having an issues some issues with compton https://pastebin.com/raw/5V7uk5PL
2022-02-18 20:28:53	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o8ga.txt
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2022-02-18 20:30:39	machinehum	That's the output when I set it to what it wants, this is the "normal" output: https://pastebin.com/raw/zu2wgsia
2022-02-18 20:30:40	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o8gM.txt
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2022-02-18 20:32:55	thrice	are you actually using compton, or picom?
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2022-02-18 20:32:57	Namarrgon	why are you calling "compton"?
2022-02-18 20:33:20	Namarrgon	scrap all your ancient compton crap and start fresh with picom
2022-02-18 20:33:34	Namarrgon	if you still need picom
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2022-02-18 20:37:03	machinehum	https://pastebin.com/raw/XW2F01sw
2022-02-18 20:37:04	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o8gQ.txt
2022-02-18 20:37:05	machinehum	pacman did that
2022-02-18 20:37:30	Namarrgon	update your config, the compat symlinks will go away eventually
2022-02-18 20:38:19	colo	anyone else with broken irefox video playback after today's upgrades? (ffmpeg, I guess...)
2022-02-18 20:38:23	colo	firefox*
2022-02-18 20:38:29	Namarrgon	pacman -Q firefox
2022-02-18 20:38:31	colo	but irefox could be a great fork's name
2022-02-18 20:38:40	colo	firefox 97.0-1
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2022-02-18 20:39:17	Namarrgon	-Syu again from an up-to-date mirror
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2022-02-18 20:40:14	thrice	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commit/6e59863952e121a577516bb18878776387568078
2022-02-18 20:40:30	machinehum	Namarrgon: Yeah that makes sense
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2022-02-18 20:40:32	machinehum	Thanks
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2022-02-18 20:41:42	susi	I may never upgrade my firefox from 95.0.2
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2022-02-18 20:42:08	susi	so often something with my configurations and customizations breaks horribly after update
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2022-02-18 20:43:57	colo	Namarrgon, thanks. seems like I should have ditched that paticular mirror sooner raher than later.
2022-02-18 20:44:10	Namarrgon	which one was it?
2022-02-18 20:44:41	colo	I think it was  http://mirror.easyname.at
2022-02-18 20:44:41	phrik	Title: Index of / (at mirror.easyname.at)
2022-02-18 20:45:07	colo	(can't guarantee it though)
2022-02-18 20:45:16	ℹ 	Lord_of_Life_ es conocido ahora como Lord_of_Life
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2022-02-18 20:46:47	machinehum	picom is way nicer lol
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2022-02-18 20:57:57	Mathisen	wierd question: is there a pacman flag just to return true or false if there is updates ? i want to make a bash script that returns true or false for my conky setup so i know when there is updates
2022-02-18 20:58:34	mpan	Mathisen: install the pacman-contrib package, use `checkupdates`.
2022-02-18 20:58:43	Mathisen	mpan, thanks
2022-02-18 20:58:52	kevr	++
2022-02-18 20:59:22	Mathisen	that was perfect mpan 
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2022-02-19 11:14:52	grawity	Warepire: they don't, they need a terminal to function
2022-02-19 11:37:33	drathir_tor	BrainDamage: check wifi-menu wavemon iptraf-ng powertop htop them from best designed ones i know...
2022-02-19 11:38:34	drathir_tor	BrainDamage: with coding skills maybe You could borrow ideas for own one program creation...
2022-02-19 11:40:35	drathir_tor	BrainDamage: oh forgot mc mocp ncmpcpp on the list... ^^
2022-02-19 11:40:40	BrainDamage	drathir_tor: that's not what I asked
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2022-02-19 12:53:01	MrElendig	wiki -> default applications
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2022-02-19 13:10:09	baltazar	BrainDamage: perhaps you could create a systemd service with StandardInput=tty-force, StandardOutput=tty and TTYPath=/dev/tty1
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2022-02-19 13:12:10	ℹ 	vitali64 es conocido ahora como vitali64IsAway
2022-02-19 13:12:29	ℹ 	vitali64IsAway es conocido ahora como vitali64
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2022-02-19 13:17:57	txtsd	I have a problem. When I run sway, if I rightclick in Qt apps, the menu appears for a split second and disappears.
2022-02-19 13:18:05	txtsd	context menu
2022-02-19 13:18:28	txtsd	If I set `QT_QPA_PLATFORM=xcb` it works fine
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2022-02-19 13:46:52	ℹ 	Hash es conocido ahora como stoned
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2022-02-19 13:51:02	ℹ 	stoned es conocido ahora como Hash
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2022-02-19 19:27:47	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-19 19:06:07	wyre	sure Khorne, but I cannot see anything about UEFI or EFI in the qemu Arch Linux wiki article 🤔
2022-02-19 19:06:22	Khorne	And?
2022-02-19 19:06:56	kefko	much values!
2022-02-19 19:07:10	Namarrgon	boot the vm to the archiso, if you get the blue bootmenu then it's booting in legacy mode
2022-02-19 19:07:14	MrElendig	its up to you if you want to use uefi or not
2022-02-19 19:07:15	Khorne	wyre, do you *want* to boot the guest vm with uefi?
2022-02-19 19:07:19	MrElendig	qemu supports both
2022-02-19 19:07:20	Khorne	yea..
2022-02-19 19:07:44	teraspin	I've vim & nano installed but `visudo` can't open configuration file. Can I edit visudo file directly?
2022-02-19 19:08:04	MrElendig	"can't open"
2022-02-19 19:08:09	MrElendig	!errors
2022-02-19 19:08:10	phrik	Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2022-02-19 19:08:52	teraspin	visudo: no editor found (editor path = /usr/bin/vi)
2022-02-19 19:09:03	teraspin	!paste
2022-02-19 19:09:03	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-02-19 19:09:06	MrElendig	install vi, or set EDITOR to something else than vi
2022-02-19 19:09:18	teraspin	oh
2022-02-19 19:09:33	teraspin	it uses vi not vim right?
2022-02-19 19:09:37	teraspin	how to change?
2022-02-19 19:09:42	MrElendig	vi in arch is actually vi, and not shipped with vim
2022-02-19 19:09:43	thrice	EDITOR=nano visudo
2022-02-19 19:10:12	MrElendig	when EDITOR is not set, it uses vi as the fallback
2022-02-19 19:10:23	MrElendig	(most things do)
2022-02-19 19:10:27	teraspin	oh
2022-02-19 19:11:27	teraspin	I edited the visudo file by opening with nano. will it cause any problem? (just one character though that is just removed '#')
2022-02-19 19:11:50	MrElendig	if you like vim, use vim?
2022-02-19 19:12:03	MrElendig	but nano is fine as long as hardwrap is not enabled
2022-02-19 19:12:33	teraspin	I mean I already edited the visudo file. WIll it cause any error later?
2022-02-19 19:12:45	thrice	!tias
2022-02-19 19:12:45	phrik	Try It And See™
2022-02-19 19:12:47	teraspin	not using `visudo` command
2022-02-19 19:13:08	MrElendig	teraspin: visudo does some sanity checks but thats it
2022-02-19 19:13:20	teraspin	oh
2022-02-19 19:13:59	teraspin	is there official archlinux irc chat channel for noob/beginners?
2022-02-19 19:14:14	Khorne	#archlinux-newbie 
2022-02-19 19:14:42	teraspin	Khorne: thank you
2022-02-19 19:14:48	Khorne	It'
2022-02-19 19:14:54	Khorne	s pretty slow currently :')
2022-02-19 19:16:21	kefko	Q: I try to map unicode characters with keysyms sub to keycode... Still read a lot of pages about xmodmap, at archwiki, too. Nor idea working either. Anyone give me some suggs?  
2022-02-19 19:16:58	MrElendig	kefko: write a custom layout
2022-02-19 19:18:09	kefko	mre: and then with loadkeys, kbd or xkb?
2022-02-19 19:19:28	wyre	Khorne, MrElendig but I'm looking for info about how to do it
2022-02-19 19:19:44	wyre	where should I search? 
2022-02-19 19:19:49	Khorne	wyre, well, you could have said that, read the qemu manpages then
2022-02-19 19:20:39	MrElendig	arch wiki does tell
2022-02-19 19:21:01	MrElendig	and if you have no idea, consider using gnome-boxes instead
2022-02-19 19:21:44	MrElendig	(its actually pretty decent)
2022-02-19 19:26:22	Khorne	MrElendig, the libvirt page does but not the qemu page if I see that correctly
2022-02-19 19:26:41	MrElendig	hm it used to say how to do ofvm
2022-02-19 19:27:18	MrElendig	ovmf*
2022-02-19 19:27:47	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-19 19:31:05	Khorne	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2022-02-19 19:32:20	wyre	MrElendig, can gnome-boxes handle KVM-based VMs? 
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2022-02-19 19:33:02	MrElendig	it uses kvm under the hood
2022-02-19 19:33:12	MrElendig	its basically libvirt but with more modern defaults
2022-02-19 19:33:57	MrElendig	virt-manager*
2022-02-19 19:34:08	MrElendig	(and a simpler ui)
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2022-02-19 19:38:46	wyre	now the problem is how to use ovmf in gnome-boxes 😆
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2022-02-19 19:41:55	teraspin	got this error at last moment while installing aur package https://paste.ee/p/UJgio#3qV_Dge4h_O1Fv6VOLrbRoj1cGTpJSYu
2022-02-19 19:41:57	phrik	Title: Paste.ee - View paste UJgio (at paste.ee)
2022-02-19 19:41:59	◣	dme86 (~dan@user/dan86) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2022-02-19 19:44:15	thrice	what file system is /mnt/c/program files/ ?
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2022-02-19 19:44:39	Edu4rdSHL	c/program files
2022-02-19 19:44:56	MrElendig	is this in a chroot?
2022-02-19 19:45:01	teraspin	no
2022-02-19 19:45:06	teraspin	WSL
2022-02-19 19:45:21	MrElendig	"Skipped: Current root is not booted."
2022-02-19 19:45:27	MrElendig	wsl is not supported here
2022-02-19 19:45:29	teraspin	Edu4rdSHL: path with spcae doesn't work?
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2022-02-19 19:45:52	MrElendig	did you use that chinese image?
2022-02-19 19:46:05	thrice	lol, wut
2022-02-19 19:46:11	teraspin	oh. then should I dual-boot run in virtualbox?
2022-02-19 19:46:16	Edu4rdSHL	teraspin, that's inside windows, using wsl as MrElendig said
2022-02-19 19:46:27	MrElendig	thrice: some chinese dude put arch on wsl, with some questionable chinese repo etv
2022-02-19 19:46:34	thrice	:D
2022-02-19 19:46:41	◣	sleepingshell2 (~Sleepings@user/sleepingshell) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-02-19 19:46:41	MrElendig	thrice: in the ms store for wsl...
2022-02-19 19:46:57	teraspin	etv?
2022-02-19 19:47:05	teraspin	she is japanese BTW
2022-02-19 19:47:48	MrElendig	https://github.com/iamscottxu/WSL-ArchLinux/
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2022-02-19 19:48:07	MrElendig	there was quite a bit of drama about it :p
2022-02-19 19:48:19	teraspin	oof
2022-02-19 19:48:22	teraspin	check last commit
2022-02-19 19:48:30	teraspin	I don't think anyone use it
2022-02-19 19:48:57	teraspin	check the scoop paackage
2022-02-19 19:49:00	MrElendig	it was in the ms store, before ms thankfully removed it
2022-02-19 19:49:30	teraspin	I use ArchWSL
2022-02-19 19:49:32	teraflops	it's pretty ease setup wls2 with archlinux
2022-02-19 19:49:41	teraflops	no need to use the store at all
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2022-02-19 19:50:16	teraspin	If wsl isn't supported here. WIll I have to dual boot my pc or run in virtualbox?
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2022-02-19 19:50:36	Edu4rdSHL	What do you think?
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2022-02-19 19:51:03	MrElendig	teraspin: if you want support here, yes
2022-02-19 19:51:16	MrElendig	can also run it in hyperv
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2022-02-19 19:51:25	teraspin	hyperv?
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2022-02-19 19:51:33	MrElendig	or vmware
2022-02-19 19:51:39	teraflops	MS hypervisor
2022-02-19 19:51:50	teraspin	BTW what kind of path should I use for installing AUR?
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2022-02-19 19:52:01	teraspin	path with space isn't working
2022-02-19 19:52:15	thrice	does path without space?
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2022-02-19 19:52:23	teraspin	I use archWSL not WSL-ArchLinux
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2022-02-19 19:52:36	teraspin	not checked
2022-02-19 19:52:42	teraspin	thrice:
2022-02-19 19:52:42	BrainDamage	the whole aur is going to be quite a feat :p
2022-02-19 19:52:47	MrElendig	makepkg have no issue with spaces
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2022-02-19 19:52:52	teraspin	oh
2022-02-19 19:52:56	◣	shibboleth (~shibbolet@user/shibboleth) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-02-19 19:52:58	MrElendig	a lot of things is broken in wsl2 though
2022-02-19 19:53:02	teraflops	teraspin: dude put the path between quotes
2022-02-19 19:53:28	MrElendig	which is one reason for why it is not officially supported
2022-02-19 19:53:36	teraspin	I just run makepkg in the repo
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2022-02-19 19:53:47	teraspin	didn't added any path in cmd
2022-02-19 19:53:54	teraspin	"Skipped: Current root is not booted."
2022-02-19 19:54:00	teraspin	what doesn this mean?
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2022-02-19 20:01:14	MrElendig	which windows version and wsl version are you on btw?
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2022-02-19 20:01:14	teraspin	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/linux-wsl
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2022-02-19 20:01:14	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - linux-wsl (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-02-19 20:01:14	teraspin	Windows 11 & WSL - 2
2022-02-19 20:01:14	teraspin	WSL2
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2022-02-19 20:01:14	teraspin	interesting https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=249547 I installed from this repo though
2022-02-19 20:01:14	phrik	Title: Archlinux on WSL? / Other Architectures / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2022-02-19 20:01:14	mongy	wyre: can it do uefi?
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2022-02-19 20:01:14	MrElendig	gnome-boxes can do uefi, it also allows you to edit the xml to do whatever you want
2022-02-19 20:01:14	MrElendig	it is after all just a libvirt frontend
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2022-02-19 20:01:14	MrElendig	it defaults to uefi for compatible systems (detected trough libosinfo)
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2022-02-19 20:01:14	mongy	I'll stick to virt-manager.  I'm comfortable with it.
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2022-02-19 20:01:25	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-19 20:07:56	mongy	..just checked it out, looks nice tbf.  
2022-02-19 20:08:19	mongy	bit too limited for me.
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2022-02-20 08:24:16	arch	i figured out finally
2022-02-20 08:24:33	arch	pulseaudio was not start so it was muted
2022-02-20 08:24:47	arch	Thanks anyways
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2022-02-20 08:50:57	invra	arch when you edit your .bashrc you have to either close the terminal or "source .bashrc"
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2022-02-20 08:53:13	sayon_	Hi
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2022-02-20 09:22:28	Feri	Hello everyone! I have Gnome installed on my arch based machine, The display is also connected to HDMI. Every then and go my sound goes off
2022-02-20 09:22:44	Feri	Do you have any idea why? How can I spot the problem?
2022-02-20 09:23:49	Feri	The sound is not mute! I have to go to the gnome settings and swith the output to the HDMI and back to speakers again to fix the problem every time
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2022-02-20 09:24:04	Feri	Why it happens???
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2022-02-20 09:29:43	Feri	No idea?
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2022-02-20 09:30:17	sheep	Feri: please be patient. it's very early in the morning in the US. I'm sure someone will have an answer eventualkly
2022-02-20 09:30:20	sheep	*eventually
2022-02-20 09:30:52	sheep	Feri: I have no idea. Does it disconnect when the monitor suspends?
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2022-02-20 09:31:17	Feri	sheep: Ok, Thats fine
2022-02-20 09:31:22	Feri	sheep: Yes it does
2022-02-20 09:31:40	sheep	is that the only time when the sound disconnects?
2022-02-20 09:32:10	Feri	No it also happens randomly when I pause the media
2022-02-20 09:33:38	sheep	this sounds like it could be https://askubuntu.com/questions/776883/pulseaudio-drops-hdmi-output-at-screen-power-save but it cites bug report https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93946 which was fixed
2022-02-20 09:33:40	phrik	Title: sound - Pulseaudio drops HDMI output at screen power save - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
2022-02-20 09:35:03	Feri	Thanks both of you guys I'll check them out
2022-02-20 09:36:15	sheep	it might also be this https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#No_HDMI_sound_output_after_some_time_with_the_monitor_turned_off
2022-02-20 09:36:16	phrik	Title: PulseAudio/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-02-20 11:24:23	ℹ 	xoan5 es conocido ahora como xoan
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2022-02-20 11:34:00	godSend23	hey guys
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2022-02-20 13:26:37	wyre	teraflops, sure, it's a replacement, I know, but why has been the gnome-gmail source code updated 24 days ago while the viagee source code is like 2 years ~ 4 months outdated in all branches?  
2022-02-20 13:27:52	wyre	in fact about motivations you can read further in here https://davesteele.github.io/gnome-gmail/
2022-02-20 13:27:53	phrik	Title: GNOME Gmail by davesteele (at davesteele.github.io)
2022-02-20 13:28:00	wyre	but that's not my point 
2022-02-20 13:29:50	⚡ 	thrice still doesn't see where anything got replaced?
2022-02-20 13:30:42	wyre	thrice, https://davesteele.github.io/viagee/ second line at right, "Note that this project is a rebranded replacement for GNOME Gmail."
2022-02-20 13:30:43	phrik	Title: Viagee by davesteele (at davesteele.github.io)
2022-02-20 13:30:52	thrice	but where in arch?
2022-02-20 13:30:59	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-20 13:31:39	wyre	thrice, https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/viagee "replaces: gnome-gmail" and "Description: Formerly gnome-gmail. It allows desktop mail actions, such as 'Send File as Email' or web 'mailto' links, to be handled by the Gmail web client."
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2022-02-20 13:31:41	ℹ 	xoan6 es conocido ahora como xoan
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2022-02-20 13:31:57	wyre	but sure, gnome-gmail doesn't exist anymore in Arch repos
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2022-02-20 13:32:07	wyre	though it has source code 🤔
2022-02-20 13:32:14	Khorne	Because AUR users can do whatever the hell they want? mostly
2022-02-20 13:32:15	wyre	still
2022-02-20 13:32:21	thrice	well, the aur is all optional, so if you disagree with what the maintainer did, either ask them, or make your own PKGBUILD
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2022-02-20 13:32:37	wyre	sure, I was just curious
2022-02-20 13:33:11	wyre	but right know I'm actually more curious about the point of viagee is more outdated upstream than gnome-gmail 😆
2022-02-20 13:33:12	teraflops	git rm *.png
2022-02-20 13:33:13	teraflops	oops
2022-02-20 13:33:20	wyre	😆
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2022-02-20 13:36:42	mpan	teraflops: taking opportunity, the glob should likely be in apostrophes.
2022-02-20 13:36:52	mpan	That is: git rm '*.png' 
2022-02-20 13:37:19	Scimmia	why wouldn't you want the shell to expand it?
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2022-02-20 13:37:33	teraflops	it worked as expected
2022-02-20 13:37:36	teraflops	hmm
2022-02-20 13:38:05	mpan	Because often you do not want to pass literal names of the files in the current directory as pathspec.
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2022-02-20 13:38:30	mpan	Of course teraflops might have wanted it in this case. I do not know. Hence “should likely be” and not “should be”.
2022-02-20 13:39:18	mpan	The thing is: git itself expands globs and all the documentation assumes they are expanded by git.
2022-02-20 13:40:36	mpan	Something many people miss. Not only with git, but in general with commands that take patterns as their arguments.
2022-02-20 13:46:24	teraflops	oh, didn't know that, thanks for the info
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2022-02-20 15:24:04	Hello71	:)
2022-02-20 15:24:23	rhqq	yeah, i got it for $100
2022-02-20 15:24:30	rhqq	and now i have a decent gaming rig!
2022-02-20 15:24:47	rhqq	heil to the linux
2022-02-20 15:25:49	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-20 15:29:29	ℹ 	heat_ es conocido ahora como heat
2022-02-20 15:31:43	Tom^	yeah works out of box. thats what i did when i egpu'd my thinkpad. :P
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2022-02-20 15:32:27	Tom^	its uh much slower then running directly to the "dgpu" but it works.
2022-02-20 15:33:24	rhqq	is it?  results from unigine heaven are 1:1 to ones in the internet 
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2022-02-20 15:34:23	Tom^	well my egpu hit the PCIE bandwidth limit. so attaching an monitor to the egpu instead of copying things back n forth almost doubled the performance.
2022-02-20 15:34:31	Tom^	so it depends i guess
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2022-02-20 15:34:48	rhqq	makes sense
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2022-02-20 16:51:53	Scimmia	aephos: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AMDGPU
2022-02-20 16:51:54	phrik	Title: AMDGPU - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-20 17:20:25	Maddie_	Is there anything besides skipping dependency checks and disabling the tesing repo to get around `installing expat (2.4.5-2) breaks dependency `expat=2.4.4` required by lib32-expat`?
2022-02-20 17:21:48	Namarrgon	do you have [testing] and [multilib-testing] enabled or just one of them?
2022-02-20 17:22:03	Maddie_	Just testing enabled, should I have multilib-testing enabled as well?
2022-02-20 17:22:14	Namarrgon	yes, you have to enable all testing repos or none
2022-02-20 17:22:22	Namarrgon	otherwise it's a partial updated, unsupported
2022-02-20 17:22:27	Namarrgon	*update
2022-02-20 17:22:46	Maddie_	Ah, alright
2022-02-20 17:22:48	Maddie_	Thanks
2022-02-20 17:36:53	hussam	Anyone running an updated system with glibc 2.35 and any sort of java runtime?
2022-02-20 17:37:11	jonathon	!igve hussam anyone
2022-02-20 17:37:12	phrik	jonathon: Is that a question?
2022-02-20 17:37:20	hussam	not necessarily the stock arch linux jdk. adoptopenjdk, eclipse jdk, etc..
2022-02-20 17:37:22	jonathon	!give hussam anyone
2022-02-20 17:37:23	phrik	hussam: Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2022-02-20 17:37:47	hussam	ok, if anyone is can you please ldd libjava.so?
2022-02-20 17:37:59	jonathon	why? :/
2022-02-20 17:38:40	jonathon	no reference to libc at all
2022-02-20 17:38:46	jonathon	oh wait, yes there is
2022-02-20 17:38:59	jonathon	so what am i looking for with that?
2022-02-20 17:39:03	hussam	On my system, this is crashing ld.
2022-02-20 17:39:21	jonathon	ld or ldd ?
2022-02-20 17:39:46	hussam	the interpreter /usr/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
2022-02-20 17:39:59	hussam	so ldd technically.
2022-02-20 17:40:23	hussam	it's only happening with java. I tried multiple jdk flavors.
2022-02-20 17:40:58	hussam	basically, go to /usr/lib/jvm/default-runtime/lib/  and ldd *.so
2022-02-20 17:41:06	jonathon	working for me with both liberica-jdk-11-full and liberica-jdk-full
2022-02-20 17:41:12	hussam	then check coredumpctl
2022-02-20 17:41:27	jonathon	"No coredumps found."
2022-02-20 17:41:31	hussam	the crash is "silent" since ldd is a script.
2022-02-20 17:41:51	jonathon	does it list the linked libraries before it crashes?
2022-02-20 17:42:00	hussam	No.
2022-02-20 17:42:15	jonathon	ok, looks like a system-local problem then. check for updates etc. etc.
2022-02-20 17:42:51	hussam	I see. thank you.
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2022-02-21 09:02:58	beest	goodfella: working as intended, read the pkgbuild, it's a bit of a metapackage for the cert provider and the package doesn't have any tracked files in of itself
2022-02-21 09:03:25	beest	once it's installed anyway
2022-02-21 09:05:11	beest	unless you count the hooks
2022-02-21 09:05:36	beest	i actually don't know what shenanigans the cert packages do these days, i really should look
2022-02-21 09:09:22	goodfella	beest: great minds think alike
2022-02-21 09:33:38	wyre	is there someway to open just bash when your default shell is /bin/zsh? 
2022-02-21 09:33:51	wyre	when I open bash in a zsh shell I'm still having $SHELL as zsh
2022-02-21 09:40:13	masoudd	wyre, I think $SHELL is supposed to be full pathname of the current user's login shell
2022-02-21 09:41:35	wyre	masoudd, I see, but is there some way to figure out what shell is actually the user running on? (as a interactive shell, I mean)
2022-02-21 09:42:33	masoudd	wyre, i guess this: echo "$0"
2022-02-21 09:43:16	wyre	masoudd, I guess I cannot use that in a script, because $0 will be the name of the script 😥
2022-02-21 09:43:31	mkoskar	wyre: I have smt like this https://0x0.st/oK-m.txt note however shell can be started in different compatibility modes e.g., it's bash but started by /bin/sh causing it to behave differently
2022-02-21 09:43:52	masoudd	wyre, ask in #bash maybe they know something about this
2022-02-21 09:45:22	mkoskar	wyre: in script you should be specific about exactly what shell you want, and if it's #!/bin/sh then code against posix
2022-02-21 09:45:54	wyre	masoudd, oh, so will have to use `sh yourscript`, right? because if you do `./myscript` will be interpreted with the shell you are currently on, right? 
2022-02-21 09:46:50	mkoskar	no
2022-02-21 09:46:57	wyre	my point is I'm installing some binaries from my dotfiles with stow in ~/.local/bin but ... if ~/.local/bin is not in PATH ... I should add to it to be able to use them just when I've installed
2022-02-21 09:47:44	masoudd	the script will be run with the #! you give it at the first line
2022-02-21 09:48:18	masoudd	classic XY problem right there
2022-02-21 09:48:39	mkoskar	just change your PATH accordingly
2022-02-21 09:48:51	Gagis	yeah, thats the main difference between running sh script versus ./script
2022-02-21 09:49:39	masoudd	./script will not run it with your current shell. It will run it with the #!
2022-02-21 09:50:17	wyre	hmmm, I guess I could export PATH from any shell 🤔
2022-02-21 09:50:33	wyre	so I could fix just sh for the shebang
2022-02-21 09:52:55	masoudd	You'd want to modify the PATH in your shells rc scripts for it to take effect. If you export PATH in the script that is installing things and exits... the new PATH goes away
2022-02-21 09:54:38	masoudd	If you're copying dotfiles then your setup script for your favorite shell should already have the modified PATH in it. shouldn't it?
2022-02-21 09:55:40	masoudd	I'm afraid the problem just metastasized to a XYZ problem
2022-02-21 09:58:34	wyre	masoudd, the point is I'm writing a wrapper for stow, but I'd like to install it in my ~/.local/bin folder, and to use it (a first time) I need to have it available in $PATH
2022-02-21 09:58:49	wyre	but this script is intended to deploy all .*rc files into $HOME
2022-02-21 09:59:12	wyre	and of course, in that .*rc files I've set my $PATH as I'd like and it includes ~/.local/bin
2022-02-21 09:59:17	masoudd	>to use it (a first time) I need to have it available in $PATH ~  No you don't.
2022-02-21 09:59:27	wyre	but if I haven't that .*rc files ... I cannot use my just deployed stow wraper 😆
2022-02-21 09:59:49	masoudd	you can execute scripts even if they are not in $PATH
2022-02-21 09:59:53	wyre	sure
2022-02-21 09:59:57	masoudd	So
2022-02-21 10:00:08	wyre	but the script in my repo is located at bin/.local/bin/stow-wraper
2022-02-21 10:00:23	masoudd	ok?
2022-02-21 10:00:23	wyre	because I need to follow the structure to be able to deploy it with `stow bin`
2022-02-21 10:01:03	wyre	then stow will deploy (symlink) the bin/.local/bin/stow-wraper into $HOME/.local/bin
2022-02-21 10:01:38	masoudd	"bin/.local/bin/stow-wraper" Do you mean /bin/... ?
2022-02-21 10:01:38	wyre	my point is I would need to copy the wrapper from bin/.local/bin/stow-wraper to ./ to be used as ./stow-wraper
2022-02-21 10:01:42	wyre	and I don't wan't to do this
2022-02-21 10:01:56	wyre	masoudd, it's a custom script just to be used in $HOME
2022-02-21 10:02:08	wyre	I don't want to install it as system-wide
2022-02-21 10:02:18	masoudd	but where is "bin/..." ?
2022-02-21 10:02:21	wyre	it's just to deploy my user dotfiles
2022-02-21 10:02:31	wyre	masoudd, bin is in the root of my dofiles repo
2022-02-21 10:02:47	wyre	mydotfilesrepo/bin/.local/bin/stow-wraper
2022-02-21 10:03:10	wyre	so I just say `bin/...` to not be confused with `/bin`
2022-02-21 10:03:10	masoudd	why are you wrapping stow at all?
2022-02-21 10:03:25	wyre	masoudd, I'd like to have different dotfiles depending on the distro
2022-02-21 10:03:50	masoudd	And how would that require you to wrap stow?
2022-02-21 10:03:55	wyre	but I don't want to have all like `mydotfiles/dotfiles_arch` `mydotfiles/dotfiles_debian` ... etc
2022-02-21 10:04:07	wyre	I'd like to have something like `mydotfiles/dotfiles/arch`
2022-02-21 10:04:08	goodfella	masoudd abas
2022-02-21 10:04:23	wyre	and that needs to pass arguments to stow as -t or -d
2022-02-21 10:04:29	masoudd	goodfella, are you ok?
2022-02-21 10:04:38	wyre	and I want to learn bash with easy tasks
2022-02-21 10:04:57	goodfella	masoudd, am i signaling otherwise?
2022-02-21 10:05:00	masoudd	This doesn't look like an easy one to me
2022-02-21 10:05:10	masoudd	goodfella, "abas" is not english
2022-02-21 10:05:21	masoudd	So seems like you're having a stroke or something
2022-02-21 10:05:21	goodfella	i never said it is
2022-02-21 10:05:31	Khorne	wyre, dont be dumb, make your dotfiles a git repo, use different branches for each machine/os
2022-02-21 10:05:34	Khorne	the end
2022-02-21 10:06:28	gr33n7007h	^ this
2022-02-21 10:06:42	wyre	Khorne, I don't like that idea because I guess at long term different branches could diverge too much 😥
2022-02-21 10:07:03	wyre	and this is actually just for $HOME/.* files
2022-02-21 10:07:03	Khorne	thats was merges/rebases are for 
2022-02-21 10:07:05	goodfella	masoudd, im from "Palestine"
2022-02-21 10:07:27	masoudd	and dotfiles/arch dotfiles/debian etc.. won't diverge because?
2022-02-21 10:07:32	Khorne	magic
2022-02-21 10:07:33	masoudd	goodfella, Good for you
2022-02-21 10:08:09	goodfella	masoudd, thanks for discovering such understanding
2022-02-21 10:08:22	Gagis	isnt this also something that the systemd.homed or whatever its called is suited for?
2022-02-21 10:08:39	Gagis	for abstracting homes and users into a form thats transferable
2022-02-21 10:08:55	wyre	masoudd, well it will diverge also, sure but I've got all in the same branch and I can cherry-pick different parts easily, I guess
2022-02-21 10:08:55	masoudd	Gagis, please. wyre is confused enough as it is. Don't make it worse
2022-02-21 10:09:00	Khorne	Probably not between distros where the tools might use different versions and hence potentially different configs
2022-02-21 10:09:28	Gagis	masoudd, fair, fair
2022-02-21 10:11:01	masoudd	wyre, Why can't you have both mydotfiles/dotfiles_arch and mydotfiles/dotfiles_debian in the same git repo?
2022-02-21 10:11:48	wyre	masoudd, I can have it ... there is a lot of ways of solve a problem, sure, I just wanted to learn a bit of bash by automating tasks I usually have to do
2022-02-21 10:12:05	wyre	I'll consider your suggestions about managing this as different branches, for sure
2022-02-21 10:12:14	wyre	but ... my point was to write some bash code 
2022-02-21 10:12:18	masoudd	wyre, I suggest you read the bash manual before assuming things
2022-02-21 10:12:33	wyre	masoudd, assuming what kind of things? 🤔
2022-02-21 10:12:50	masoudd	The magic stuff about PATH for a start
2022-02-21 10:12:57	Khorne	Well in any case, there isn't a problem with what you're trying to do with subfolder, just run stow from the subfolder
2022-02-21 10:13:28	wyre	masoudd, what magic assumption I did? I was always asking and guessing
2022-02-21 10:13:37	wyre	I didn't assert anything as true
2022-02-21 10:14:09	masoudd	you were asking about Y and Z which you got to by assuming things to do X
2022-02-21 10:14:12	masoudd	!xy
2022-02-21 10:14:13	phrik	What exactly are you trying to do? http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=542341
2022-02-21 10:14:23	mkoskar	in reality also lot of programs can discriminate configs by hostname, and if they don't it's not hard to write a wrapper that does
2022-02-21 10:15:18	masoudd	remember this all started with you trying to write a bash/zsh bilingual script
2022-02-21 10:15:36	masoudd	I mean that's a red flag right there
2022-02-21 10:18:39	masoudd	Then I had to coerce you into giving up what you wanted to do which ultimately was to have your dotfiles in mydotfiles/dotfiles/arch, mydotfiles/dotfiles/debian instead of mydotfiles/arch, mydotfiles/debian...
2022-02-21 10:20:17	masoudd	we are talking about an extra redundant directory. That must be the most useless directory in the history of directories. That directory probably has depression
2022-02-21 10:20:40	masoudd	I may have gone too far. Sorry.
2022-02-21 10:27:47	wyre	masoudd, I guess everyone can choose what tools/workflows want to use to manage their dotfiles ... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-02-21 10:28:05	masoudd	Agreed
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2022-02-21 13:22:58	ℹ 	cdown_ es conocido ahora como cdown
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2022-02-21 13:44:33	Bayes	I just added an export to my .bash_profile file
2022-02-21 13:44:53	Bayes	and for first time ever it made sense why I wanted to use export, and why I wanted to use the .bash_profile and not .bash_rc
2022-02-21 13:45:11	Bayes	.bashrc
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2022-02-21 14:17:29	ugjka	I got this in my bash profie [[ -f ~/.profile ]] && . ~/.profile
2022-02-21 14:17:37	ugjka	*profile
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2022-02-21 14:20:23	mpan	ugjka: and the question is… :D
2022-02-21 14:22:18	ugjka	i'm just bragging
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2022-02-21 16:33:51	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-21 16:33:51	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1503 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1502 normals)
2022-02-21 14:22:54	Khorne	weird flex, but okay
2022-02-21 14:30:32	weltio	when i build an aur packgage with debug information for gdb; gdb searches in /usr/src/debug/ for those files - what do i have to do to include the /usr/src/debug/ into the package? the folder is missing
2022-02-21 14:32:18	weltio	my pkgbuild options array: options=('staticlibs' 'debug' '!strip')
2022-02-21 14:32:45	jelle	weltio: the debug information is in a seperate package, did you install it?
2022-02-21 14:32:46	Namarrgon	which package are you building?
2022-02-21 14:33:49	weltio	Namarrgon: llvm-git
2022-02-21 14:33:56	weltio	jelle: in which?
2022-02-21 14:34:07	jelle	weltio: in your build directly
2022-02-21 14:34:09	jelle	*directory
2022-02-21 14:34:26	Namarrgon	if you use "debug" with "!strip" then the symbols won't be stripped form the binaries, you won't get a second package
2022-02-21 14:34:33	Namarrgon	*from
2022-02-21 14:35:35	jelle	ah derp, Namarrgon++
2022-02-21 14:39:43	Namarrgon	you might have to set the cmake target to 'Debug', i'm not sure if 'Release' does anything funky with the symbols like stripping them
2022-02-21 14:40:23	Namarrgon	though, i'm not even sure if that matters when using ninja
2022-02-21 14:43:47	weltio	Namarrgon: i have built RelWithDebugSymbols
2022-02-21 14:44:05	weltio	i mean, obviosuly the sources are in the build dir...
2022-02-21 14:44:23	weltio	i just thought they would automatically be included in the package
2022-02-21 14:44:36	Namarrgon	does gdb actually complain about missing symbols for the llvm libraries?
2022-02-21 14:46:05	weltio	no as i said: /usr/src/debug/llvm-project/llvm/lib/Analysis/BasicAliasAnalysis.cpp: No such file or directory.
2022-02-21 14:46:14	weltio	about the /usr/src/debug directory
2022-02-21 14:46:39	jelle	that's expected
2022-02-21 14:46:50	Namarrgon	does it still resolve the symbols when you go trough he code?
2022-02-21 14:47:41	Namarrgon	remove the ! from "!strip", rebuild the package and see what ends up in the debug packages
2022-02-21 14:47:45	Foxboron	weltio: that is expected. The source code isn't included with those options
2022-02-21 14:48:10	Foxboron	options=(strip debug) creates a seperate debug package with symbols and source code included
2022-02-21 15:15:42	roxlu	hey, does someone knows a PDF reader that has a markup/comment feature?
2022-02-21 15:16:04	tpr	okular, evince, ..?
2022-02-21 15:16:12	ridge	I use Okular for that
2022-02-21 15:16:15	tpr	I have been using okular for that
2022-02-21 15:16:44	ridge	But Evince is also good, especially if you use GNOME.
2022-02-21 15:17:53	roxlu	ok thanks!
2022-02-21 15:32:28	neoweb	hmm
2022-02-21 15:33:03	neoweb	ParallelDownloads = 10 is not working
2022-02-21 15:33:14	neoweb	do you need more then one mirror enabled?
2022-02-21 15:34:18	neoweb	ahh
2022-02-21 15:34:21	neoweb	i am a dummy
2022-02-21 15:52:37	ice9	i had .gnupg backed up from Arch, now in ubuntu when i try to import a key, i get "gpg: keyblock resource '/etc/pacman.d/gnupg/pubring.gpg': No such file or directory"
2022-02-21 15:53:53	ice9	nvm, i resolved the issue
2022-02-21 16:33:51	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-21 16:39:56	normaler	can someone suggest me a good snes emulator? is bsnes a good choice?
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2022-02-21 16:47:58	bin	i have what feels like a stupid question. libinput disables the touchpad when im typing. i found a way to fix that using xinput but im not 100% sure the right way to add it to the xorg file, is it just Option "libinput Click Method Enabled" "0"
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2022-02-21 16:53:35	BrainDamage	normaler: bsnes is a bit weird because it has accuracy at cost of user friendliness, etc, it's useful for few titles other don't work, but I wouldn't bother with it, snes9x works with like 99% of the titles
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2022-02-21 16:54:31	normaler	BrainDamage: thanks, just installed it and it seems to run Terranigma well
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2022-02-21 17:16:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-21 17:27:28	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-21 17:28:56	BrainDamage	I have a templated service triggered by timer, and I don't want for them to trigger concurrently because each one attempts to use all the available resources and having more than 1 running results in resource contention and slower overall execution, is there an elegant way to do this or should I drop the template and add manual ordering using After ?
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2022-02-21 17:30:27	normaler	you could use a random delay fir the timer
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2022-02-21 17:30:53	lavaball	!pastebin
2022-02-21 17:30:53	phrik	Pastebin.com is swamped with advertisements and random captchas. Malware found on pastebin.com has resulted in it being blocked for some users. It injects CRLF line-endings. Please, use something else. Use something sane like https://gist.github.com https://bpaste.net https://ix.io and see !ix for easy way to paste from a pipe
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2022-02-21 17:34:20	BrainDamage	normaler: wouldn't work well because each job takes extremely variable amount of time, in the order of hours even
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2022-02-21 17:37:57	mpan	To all you people who do not read the forum: <https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=274356>.
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2022-02-21 17:38:23	stutz	bad request
2022-02-21 17:38:42	mpan	Oh, great. It’s non public. 🤦
2022-02-21 17:38:46	normaler	^
2022-02-21 17:38:57	normaler	arch is being bought by salesforce?
2022-02-21 17:38:59	colo	you just made me re-login for the first time since Last visit: 2015-04-24 09:17:25 
2022-02-21 17:39:01	mpan	> As a new Linux user (15 months as my daily driver), my thanks goes out to this community and those who tirelessly support helping users, keeping everything update and their sacrifice of time.
2022-02-21 17:39:05	mpan	From user ts.
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2022-02-21 17:45:23	ℹ 	mikezackles_ es conocido ahora como mikezackles
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2022-02-21 17:50:20	lambda	why is the AUR git server so slow? >.>
2022-02-21 17:50:35	vulpine	 /235
2022-02-21 17:50:39	vulpine	oops
2022-02-21 17:50:49	NetSysFire	!check if pamac is dos'ing the aur again
2022-02-21 17:50:51	phrik	Testing if pamac is dos'ing the aur again: [FAIL]
2022-02-21 17:50:54	jonathon	!give lambda why
2022-02-21 17:50:55	phrik	lambda: Because you touch yourself at night.
2022-02-21 17:51:01	jonathon	:/
2022-02-21 17:51:24	normaler	because you do not follow the sqlite code of conduct
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2022-02-21 17:51:47	lambda	normaler: do I need to touch myself more or less for that?
2022-02-21 17:52:06	normaler	its pretty extensive, probably less thou
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2022-02-22 08:34:52	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-22 08:34:52	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1474 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1473 normals)
2022-02-22 02:15:55	intx	i don't know, just wondering why support for it is off by default after I upgraded sshd
2022-02-22 02:25:54	jonathon	as far as i know, ssh-rsa is fine, but ssh-dsa is not
2022-02-22 02:29:59	MacGyver	Afaict ssh-rsa implies the use of SHA1.
2022-02-22 02:30:36	MacGyver	*That* is what's being deprecated -- rsa keys are still supported in forms that use SHA2; rsa-sha2-256 and rsa-sha2-512.
2022-02-22 02:32:02	Hello72	ssh-rsa is unfortunately both the name of a key type and a key exchange protocol
2022-02-22 02:32:34	MacGyver	Your existing ssh RSA keys should work just fine for rsa-sha2-256 and 512.
2022-02-22 02:32:50	MacGyver	*That being said*
2022-02-22 02:33:01	MacGyver	It's somewhat beyond me why people would stick with RSA keys.
2022-02-22 02:33:03	Hello72	although in 2022 almost everything supports ed25519 which is much better anyways
2022-02-22 02:36:39	Hydragyrum	yeah ed25519 is so much better
2022-02-22 02:42:52	feinedsquirrel	My laptop that has been using iwd to manage wireless connections for over a year (exclusively, I use the "EnableNetworkConfiguration" setting). I'm trying to understand why I can still use iwctl without sudo and without being in the net_dev group or the wheel group. At some point, to solve apparent dns issues (I don't exactly recall the problem), i added a drop-in ...
2022-02-22 02:44:51	feinedsquirrel	... to the iwd.service file specifying 'RuntimeDirectory=resolvconf" and "ReadWritePaths=/etc/resolv.conf". I was setting up a new machine this last week, surprised that I couln't use iwctl without sudo, and found mutliple sources online, including the arch wiki, notifying about the permissions change. Any idea what would allow my laptop to continue as normal? I looked through polkit default ...
2022-02-22 02:45:15	feinedsquirrel	... rules briefly, but couldn't see anything in there that looked like it would do it. Maybe I just missed something?
2022-02-22 04:09:52	intx	thanks jonathon, Hello72 and MacGyver, I've switched over to ed25519 :) didn't know it was an option
2022-02-22 04:11:52	TheDcoder	Can anyone help me with converting a Video DVD to a standalone video file?
2022-02-22 04:12:13	TheDcoder	the trick is, I don't want to re-encode it
2022-02-22 04:20:10	feinedsquirrel	TheDcoder: I'm musing. `sudo dd if=/dev/dvdrom ....`.  heh
2022-02-22 04:20:46	TheDcoder	feinedsquirrel: That could be used as input to ffmpeg if it can directly process ISO
2022-02-22 04:20:56	TheDcoder	no need for dd though
2022-02-22 04:21:19	TheDcoder	Anyway, it seems I can quite easily make an MKV with the help of MKVToolNix GUI, great :)
2022-02-22 04:22:18	feinedsquirrel	Oh, ha, I was mostly joking, as I really have no clue. I have used mkvtoolnix on occasion, though, so I'll keep your last tip in mind. :D 
2022-02-22 05:10:22	Synthead	I like ddrescue
2022-02-22 05:40:33	lord_daemon	I need to make a script that executes the command ("iptables -A INPUT -p t precisocp --destination-port 9099 -j DROP") only if this block does not already exist in iptables. someone help? placed in services but it is inserting multiple same lines in iptables
2022-02-22 05:48:58	Ghosthree3	say i ran makepkg, and i didnt delete any of the src/ or pkg/ files, then the maintainer did a pkgrel bump that changed nothing, can i reuse those files somehow and save myself 30m of compiling
2022-02-22 05:52:48	uuidNuniq	Synthead:-> i like rsync
2022-02-22 05:53:50	uuidNuniq	lord_daemon:-> if ! iptables --check  .... ; then ... ; fi
2022-02-22 05:54:56	uuidNuniq	Ghosthree3:->  you don't reuse ... the src... 
2022-02-22 05:55:27	Ghosthree3	i mean whatever, i have compiled files, i guess in pkg/, remaking the package will make them literally identical and take 30 minutes
2022-02-22 05:55:40	Ghosthree3	is there any way to have makepkg just re use them and not recompile
2022-02-22 05:55:51	uuidNuniq	lord_daemon:-> if ! iptables -C INPUT -p t precisocp --destination-port 9099 -j DROP ; then  iptables -A INPUT -p t precisocp --destination-port 9099 -j DROP ; fi
2022-02-22 05:58:16	uuidNuniq	Ghosthree3:-> makepkg --repackage
2022-02-22 06:10:07	lord_daemon	uuidNuniq, ok
2022-02-22 06:10:10	lord_daemon	thanks
2022-02-22 06:20:19	lord_daemon	uuidNuniq, had tried other things that didn't work, now that it worked
2022-02-22 08:05:03	goodfella	is osmeone here have experience with gns3 on linux ? 
2022-02-22 08:05:27	goodfella	i need a terminal emulator that functioning the same as solar-putty
2022-02-22 08:05:55	goodfella	ie open new tabs in the main terminal with the names same as the hostname of the device console
2022-02-22 08:26:56	mkoskar	goodfella: you've asked this before, what have you tried so far?
2022-02-22 08:27:57	goodfella	i didn't asked this before
2022-02-22 08:28:19	goodfella	but i might have found SecureCRT
2022-02-22 08:28:30	goodfella	ill check it now 
2022-02-22 08:28:55	mkoskar	you did ask same thing yesterday, maybe even multiple times
2022-02-22 08:29:28	mkoskar	nvm, I'm pretty sure konsole has tab that you can even name yourself
2022-02-22 08:29:43	mkoskar	*tabs
2022-02-22 08:30:11	mkoskar	usually you can set name/title by escape sequence too
2022-02-22 08:30:23	goodfella	i ask about aur helper yesterday
2022-02-22 08:30:31	goodfella	now about terminal emulator for gns3
2022-02-22 08:30:35	goodfella	not*
2022-02-22 08:30:35	mkoskar	or you can use tmux/screen
2022-02-22 08:30:47	goodfella	it's too much memory hungry
2022-02-22 08:30:58	goodfella	i need simple multitab screen 
2022-02-22 08:31:12	goodfella	i have only 8gb ram which i already suspect won't do for gns3
2022-02-22 08:32:01	mkoskar	I remember you asking about solar-putty, and even subsequent discussion about what terminals you might try, weird, short memory I guess
2022-02-22 08:32:32	mkoskar	or it might have been somebody different, but that's quite specific, anyway
2022-02-22 08:33:32	mkoskar	goodfella: tmux is memory hungry?
2022-02-22 08:34:52	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-22 08:34:53	mkoskar	> 2022-02-21 22:36:25 goodfella is there solar-putty replacement for linux ?
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2022-02-22 08:37:05	jmariondev	> goodfella: are you running a desktop environment (GNOME, KDE, XFCE?) if so the terminal that comes with it can certainly do what you're asking
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2022-02-22 08:37:55	jmariondev	if you want a specific package to install: xfce4-terminal
2022-02-22 08:39:54	jmariondev	putty and securecrt are mainly windows tools. the linux terminal experience is (subjectively) first-class compared to anything on Windows (at least prior to WSL)
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2022-02-22 08:40:49	jmariondev	but also yes 8GB may be lacking if you want to build real massive topologies
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2022-02-22 08:41:53	Overl	So, I got a dual boot windows 11 / Arch linux with the grub boot loader. I did a Bios update and grub disappeared from the boot device list. I already went in with the install medium and rang grub-install and grub-mkconfig again but t still wont work
2022-02-22 08:42:06	jmariondev	it's not your choice of terminal that will matter though, it will be the switch OS images
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2022-02-22 08:47:06	goodfella	jmariondev: i don't say that terminal emulator won't work i just say that securecrt and solar-putty are working without configure everuthing as a tabbed with their hostname and even an indication if they on or off
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2022-02-22 08:48:31	goodfella	or at least designed for it
2022-02-22 08:48:37	jmariondev	oh i see, that depends on the terminal control characters that the switch cli is returning... that can get kinda hairy in different terminals
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2022-02-22 09:07:06	mkoskar	jmariondev: I don't think it has anything to do with control characters, it's just that (I assume) solar-putty will show you that ssh connection broke probably with option to reconnect
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2022-02-22 09:09:08	jmariondev	perhaps. my thinking is that the relatively primitive {I,E,Jun}OS terminals don't output any title control characters, and perhaps putty/SCRT show the hostname you connected to in place of a missing title.
2022-02-22 09:09:17	jmariondev	i may be miles off though, i admit i haven't used gns3 in a very long time
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2022-02-22 09:14:59	mkoskar	yeah, it's hard to tell what goodfella really after
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2022-02-22 10:43:55	f00	can i search the package database for files a package would install? like i can  pacman -Ql  to list the files that belong to each package i have installed
2022-02-22 10:45:07	rcf	f00: pacman -F
2022-02-22 10:45:56	f00	rcf, gonna check that out, ty!
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2022-02-22 10:51:05	f00	ah nice, exactly what i was looking for
2022-02-22 10:52:29	ℹ 	davor_ es conocido ahora como davor
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2022-02-22 10:54:11	davor	I have a VPN connection in NetworkManager, and I'd like to connect to it automatically when activating the Ethernet connection. but, if I enable it, if the VPN is unavailable, the Ethernet connection fails as well. can I have NM try to connect to VPN on Ethernet connection, but if it's unavailable, just use Ethernet regardless?
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2022-02-22 11:01:25	davor	ie, if my secondary connection fails, why does NM also kill off the primary connection?
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2022-02-22 11:28:46	Earnestly	f00: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Rosetta
2022-02-22 11:28:47	phrik	Title: pacman/Rosetta - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-22 11:29:16	Earnestly	This rosetta really does highlight just how much more sane pacman is, how generally consistent it is
2022-02-22 11:29:35	Earnestly	Compared to the scattering of commands other package managers/distros need to accomplish the same thing
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2022-02-22 11:31:34	f00	yea right
2022-02-22 11:32:04	Earnestly	archarm no longer supports armv6, so I have to use debian
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2022-02-22 11:36:25	ℹ 	GodEater_ es conocido ahora como GodEater
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2022-02-22 11:37:38	rcf	Earnestly: for a less-crusty experience there's always void 
2022-02-22 11:37:51	Earnestly	rcf: They do armv6?
2022-02-22 11:38:05	Earnestly	Hmm
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2022-02-22 11:38:12	rcf	That they do. 
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2022-02-22 11:38:20	Earnestly	Oh hello, yes indeed, thank you
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2022-02-22 11:38:30	Earnestly	rootfs tarball too
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2022-02-22 11:38:41	Earnestly	bye debian
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2022-02-22 12:10:52	maxzor	Hello, is pacman still tied to pool.sks-keyservers.net?
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2022-02-22 12:11:40	maxzor	are the msys2 developers hanging around here? https://github.com/msys2/msys2.github.io/issues/76
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2022-02-22 12:12:30	Namarrgon	we don't support msys2, it's a separate project and we have no influence on what their pacman configs do
2022-02-22 12:12:46	kode54	they're asking if Arch still defaults to SKS servers that don't exist
2022-02-22 12:12:55	MacGyver	But, reading that issue.
2022-02-22 12:12:55	maxzor	true, is Hagrid ok?
2022-02-22 12:13:05	MacGyver	https://github.com/msys2/msys2.github.io/issues/76#issuecomment-687665669 this was prescient :')
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2022-02-22 12:14:13	maxzor	I tried to add openpgp keyserver in the pacman gpg.conf without result, so I wonder if the issue is pacman/arch or just msys2
2022-02-22 12:14:34	kode54	um
2022-02-22 12:14:44	kode54	msys2 merged a pr that switched to ubuntu keyserver last year
2022-02-22 12:14:49	maxzor	I'd guess that pacman has handled sks shutdown in a timely manner
2022-02-22 12:14:51	MacGyver	The issue isn't arch.
2022-02-22 12:15:07	MacGyver	The issue is also not pacman, because it works for arch.
2022-02-22 12:15:15	maxzor	okay, thank you
2022-02-22 12:15:18	MacGyver	So, by the process of elimination, you're barking up the wrong tree.
2022-02-22 12:15:28	MacGyver	You might find msys developers in the pacman channel though.
2022-02-22 12:15:35	kode54	I had no idea that it just worked for arch
2022-02-22 12:15:43	MacGyver	But doesn't msys just *have* a channel?
2022-02-22 12:15:45	kode54	I manually configured all my installations to use the ubuntu server ages ago
2022-02-22 12:16:24	MacGyver	kode54: Upstream gpg did that themselves a while ago, which is probably why it works.
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2022-02-22 12:18:30	maxzor	MacGyver, ah an OFTC one, sorry
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2022-02-22 12:21:29	MacGyver	kode54: Though, checking... I'm not sure where the current gnupg config for pacman even comes from.
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2022-02-22 12:22:01	MacGyver	Certainly not from archlinux-keyring.
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2022-02-22 12:22:58	MacGyver	Also not pacman itself.
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2022-02-22 12:23:55	maxzor	where is the conf file that mentions the default key server?
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2022-02-22 12:24:32	MacGyver	maxzor: For us, /etc/pacman.d/gnupg/
2022-02-22 12:24:56	Namarrgon	gpg.conf is generated by pacman-key --init
2022-02-22 12:24:59	MacGyver	Also note that pacman-key tries a WKD before a keyserver nowadays.
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2022-02-22 12:25:25	maxzor	I removed that directory, ran pacman-key --init and pacman-key --search-keys defaulted to pool.sks-keyservers IIRC
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2022-02-22 12:49:22	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-22 12:46:41	MacGyver	I guess this serves me right to try and do more than just link back to the install guide as an answer.
2022-02-22 12:47:11	Earnestly	MacGyver: Boundries
2022-02-22 12:47:24	Earnestly	Put barbed wire on it and gun nests
2022-02-22 12:49:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-22 13:20:59	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-02-22 13:25:43	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-22 14:20:16	phonemic	hey, got it working! it was a vulkan issue. I set PROTON_USE_WINED3D=1
2022-02-22 14:20:41	phonemic	logs were helpful
2022-02-22 14:25:13	antonva	Nice, gj
2022-02-22 14:25:14	Eldeberen	You may share this in a protondb report IMHO. This will help other users too :)
2022-02-22 14:27:59	phonemic	yep, already did
2022-02-22 14:35:33	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-22 14:41:23	nicholaus04	Howdy arch folks!
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2022-02-22 15:26:38	CarloWood	Does anyone own/have a good/working PCIe card with USB3?  Since the last kernel update I even had to remove mine from my PC or I couldn't boot anymore :/.
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2022-02-22 15:27:03	interweb	Hi, I'm trying to Preseve vidoe memory after suspend on nvidia but my pc doesnt even go to sleep mode anymore, I'm following this https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA/Tips_and_tricks#Preserve_video_memory_after_suspend
2022-02-22 15:27:04	phrik	Title: NVIDIA/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-22 15:27:07	interweb	What can I do 
2022-02-22 15:27:07	CarloWood	Seems that linux and USB3 just doesn't work.
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2022-02-22 15:29:36	Namarrgon	interweb: suspend to disk?
2022-02-22 15:29:44	interweb	Namarrgon, yes 
2022-02-22 15:30:01	interweb	Namarrgon, because some applications that use GPU stop working after resuming 
2022-02-22 15:30:15	interweb	if I don't do it, it forces me to close them and restart them all
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2022-02-22 15:31:32	Namarrgon	"doesn't go to sleep anymore" what errors do you get?
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2022-02-22 15:31:50	Namarrgon	first you have to fix hibernate/resume, then worry about vram
2022-02-22 15:31:56	interweb	Nothing , I get a blank screen and hear my cpu fan going faster and faster
2022-02-22 15:32:16	Namarrgon	have you looked at the kernel log after that?
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2022-02-22 15:32:26	interweb	no 
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2022-02-22 15:32:38	interweb	where is it
2022-02-22 15:32:48	Namarrgon	which distro is that?
2022-02-22 15:32:58	interweb	archlinux?
2022-02-22 15:33:09	interweb	linux-lts 
2022-02-22 15:33:18	Namarrgon	"journactl -kb"
2022-02-22 15:33:26	Namarrgon	"journactl -kb -1" for hte previous boot
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2022-02-22 15:34:09	interweb	anything specific I should look for?
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2022-02-22 15:34:39	Namarrgon	anything suspend/resume related, probably around the time you issued the command
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2022-02-22 15:40:28	interweb	Namarrgon, I've realised that after enabling nvidia-power-management.conf through systemd I can't put the system to sleep anymore
2022-02-22 15:40:48	Namarrgon	what exactly did you enable?
2022-02-22 15:41:05	interweb	I put the following command in a file and systemctl enabled it 
2022-02-22 15:41:05	interweb	options nvidia NVreg_PreserveVideoMemoryAllocations=1 NVreg_TemporaryFilePath=/tmp-nvidia
2022-02-22 15:41:15	Namarrgon	wat
2022-02-22 15:41:16	interweb	and created tmp-nvidia as well as a btrfs subvol
2022-02-22 15:41:38	interweb	I created a file in /etc/modprobe
2022-02-22 15:41:39	Namarrgon	which unit(s) did you enable with systemctl?
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2022-02-22 15:42:06	red_	Does anyone notice slight color/screen flickering running XFCE with an nvidia card? I'm on a 1080.
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2022-02-22 15:42:18	red_	Driving me insane.
2022-02-22 15:42:34	jonathon	Does it only happen with Xfce?
2022-02-22 15:42:42	red_	nvidia 510 drivers, games work fine, etc.
2022-02-22 15:42:56	interweb	Namarrgon, https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/qn3pw6/comment/hjeasge/?context=3
2022-02-22 15:42:57	red_	I don't recall it being this bad with plasma, on mint, etc. I hopped around a bit initially
2022-02-22 15:43:13	interweb	I did this, but instead of mkdir the directory I created a btrfs subvolume 
2022-02-22 15:43:13	red_	I turned the transparencies and all the fancy stuff off, still happening.
2022-02-22 15:43:27	red_	you can see it in the "greys", or when you will change a window view with your mouse. It's very slight but it's frustrating.
2022-02-22 15:43:54	red_	I'm on a 144hz monitor. locked it to 60, no dice. turned all fancy effects off in xfce, still an issue.
2022-02-22 15:44:06	red_	settings in nvidia server X seem all fine
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2022-02-22 15:46:26	jonathon	how is the display connected? i'm wondering whether it's the cable (or similar hardware issue)
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2022-02-22 15:47:03	Namarrgon	interweb: did oyu enable nvidia-hibernate.service, too?
2022-02-22 15:47:11	interweb	yes
2022-02-22 15:47:21	interweb	I've tried it without it too
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2022-02-22 15:47:41	Namarrgon	does sleep/hibernate work again if you remove the kernel parameters again?
2022-02-22 15:47:41	red_	jonathon: displayport through the 1080. I didn't notice it at all on Mint, or even endeavour running KDE Plasma.
2022-02-22 15:48:04	interweb	Namarrgon, idk should I restart rn?
2022-02-22 15:48:32	interweb	before enabling anything else it still didn't go to 
2022-02-22 15:48:32	Namarrgon	interweb: if you have time, sure
2022-02-22 15:48:39	interweb	ok I'll be right back
2022-02-22 15:48:54	Namarrgon	well, if resume/hibernate before this then this wouldn't fix it
2022-02-22 15:49:01	Namarrgon	*didn't work before this
2022-02-22 15:49:11	red_	It's an extremely light flicker, the screen never loses its image, more like a very light "flashing" you see well on greyscale backgrounds
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2022-02-22 15:49:22	interweb	I'm not sure what was enabled before I enabled everything, 
2022-02-22 15:49:34	Namarrgon	these two certainly weren't
2022-02-22 15:50:16	interweb	My problem is with firefox which has to be restarted everytime after resuming 
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2022-02-22 15:50:27	interweb	otherwise I don't need to preserve the memory for anything else 
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2022-02-22 15:52:09	jonathon	red_: check compositor and flickering sections if you haven't already: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xfwm
2022-02-22 15:52:11	phrik	Title: Xfwm - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-22 15:52:21	jonathon	s/flickering/tearing/
2022-02-22 15:52:48	red_	jonathon: I will, thank you for the direction
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2022-02-22 15:53:13	jonathon	(if xfwm's compositor doesn't play nicely then picom is a decent alternative)
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2022-02-22 15:54:59	interweb	it's not fixed with every nvidia-* disabled
2022-02-22 15:55:12	Namarrgon	did you remove the kernele option?
2022-02-22 15:55:14	Namarrgon	*kernel
2022-02-22 15:55:26	interweb	how should I do it 
2022-02-22 15:55:32	Namarrgon	how did you add them?
2022-02-22 15:55:41	interweb	https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/qn3pw6/comment/hjeasge/?context=3
2022-02-22 15:55:50	interweb	the third line
2022-02-22 15:55:55	Namarrgon	yes, now undo that again
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2022-02-22 15:56:17	interweb	I did disable nvidia-suspend
2022-02-22 15:56:26	interweb	but didn't remove that file that i had created
2022-02-22 15:56:29	interweb	should I do that too?
2022-02-22 15:56:45	interweb	rm /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-power-management.conf ?
2022-02-22 15:56:49	Namarrgon	right
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2022-02-22 15:59:13	red_	jonathon: settings>windows manager tweaks>compositor - when I disable it the flashing ceases. 
2022-02-22 15:59:25	red_	I don't care much about transparency, but it was nice having it for the taskbar panel
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2022-02-22 16:01:07	red_	and my terminal background... so attractive when it's 80% opaque..
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2022-02-22 16:01:54	teraflops	try it with another compositor e.g picom as suggested above
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2022-02-22 16:02:41	red_	will do
2022-02-22 16:02:42	interweb	so it goes to sleep and resumes with problems on firefox
2022-02-22 16:02:46	interweb	Namarrgon, ^^
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2022-02-22 16:05:38	jonathon	the "tearing" section also has information about choosing different compositor backends for xfwm
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2022-02-22 16:10:37	Namarrgon	interweb: check the firefox and nvidia forums, you're probably not the only one
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2022-02-22 16:14:36	interweb	Namarrgon, maybe my window manager is doing something to the windows behind the scene that I don't know :/
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2022-02-22 16:17:07	HawkinsTheWizard	!post
2022-02-22 16:17:08	phrik	HawkinsTheWizard: Is that a question?
2022-02-22 16:17:14	HawkinsTheWizard	!pastebin
2022-02-22 16:17:14	phrik	Pastebin.com is swamped with advertisements and random captchas. Malware found on pastebin.com has resulted in it being blocked for some users. It injects CRLF line-endings. Please, use something else. Use something sane like https://gist.github.com https://bpaste.net https://ix.io and see !ix for easy way to paste from a pipe
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2022-02-22 16:18:58	red_	jonathon, phrik: yeah turning off the compositor completely fixes the color flashing. 
2022-02-22 16:19:13	red_	I'll try an alternative for sure, and will document.
2022-02-22 16:19:41	red_	I'm on endeavour btw (lmao) but their community is dead. Everything I've used so far has been through arch community sources and has worked out fine.
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2022-02-22 16:20:14	red_	otherwise this thing runs pretty well. 144hz, gaming performance is fine. 
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2022-02-22 16:24:46	Edu4rdSHL	...
2022-02-22 16:24:53	◥	Mete-- (~Mete-@69.87.216.197) has joined #archlinux
2022-02-22 16:25:01	Edu4rdSHL	!give red_ notarch
2022-02-22 16:25:02	phrik	red_: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2022-02-22 16:25:20	Edu4rdSHL	2022 and people keeps doing it...
2022-02-22 16:26:16	◣	milo_ (~thelounge@122-199-13-63.ip4.superloop.com) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-02-22 16:26:24	interweb	Edu4rdSHL, I really don't mind them doing it while their distro is based on archlinux ...
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2022-02-22 16:26:31	red_	lmao
2022-02-22 16:26:41	bug2000	interweb, We do. Because they break things.
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2022-02-22 16:26:49	bug2000	!manjaro
2022-02-22 16:26:49	phrik	manjaro does things differently from arch, so we can't really support it. ask in #manjaro on freenode.net, or in #manjaro or #linux on libera.chat
2022-02-22 16:27:00	bug2000	Keep the numbers running for extra info.
2022-02-22 16:27:00	red_	I'm not breaking YOUR systems, don't worry about it.
2022-02-22 16:27:06	interweb	bug2000, You're telling me I can't create an exact copy of a different distro on my archlinux?
2022-02-22 16:27:10	Edu4rdSHL	interweb, so? It's like a Ubuntu user asking Debian support because it's based on Debian...
2022-02-22 16:27:22	NoImNotNineVolt	Edu4rdSHL: i've done that so many times
2022-02-22 16:27:22	interweb	Edu4rdSHL, and that's ok to me too
2022-02-22 16:27:30	◣	Mete- (~Mete-@143.202.111.61) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2022-02-22 16:27:32	bug2000	interweb, At the point where you add broken packages. Yes. You're on your own.
2022-02-22 16:27:42	⚡ 	bug2000 hates snapd
2022-02-22 16:27:42	NoImNotNineVolt	but at the same time, if you want arch support, run arch. if you don't want to run arch, live without arch support :P
2022-02-22 16:27:53	Edu4rdSHL	That people do it or think that it's ok is part of the problem...
2022-02-22 16:27:55	NoImNotNineVolt	dems the options.
2022-02-22 16:27:56	Edu4rdSHL	But ok...
2022-02-22 16:28:05	bug2000	chromium has problems. yeah. snapd. There's no snapd for chromium on debian.
2022-02-22 16:28:06	bug2000	QED
2022-02-22 16:28:08	red_	Hey, when my bootloader loads up it says Arch Linux ;)
2022-02-22 16:28:14	Edu4rdSHL	At least we have a good CoC on Arch that doesn't allow it.
2022-02-22 16:28:23	interweb	Edu4rdSHL, and you are the person who decides what I do with my archlinux is breaking it or not? come on 
2022-02-22 16:28:37	red_	I understand they don't want people flooding their shit with "how do I on mint"
2022-02-22 16:28:44	red_	it's not even arch based lmao
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2022-02-22 16:28:59	NoImNotNineVolt	the analogy here is that you'd be asking mint questions in an ubuntu forum.
2022-02-22 16:28:59	red_	but honestly endeavour is basically arch with a GUI installer
2022-02-22 16:29:09	NoImNotNineVolt	so it not being based on arch wouldn't be a problem, or relevant.
2022-02-22 16:29:10	Edu4rdSHL	interweb, the point is: if you don't run arch gtfo of this channel and ask your distro devs for support, don't waste our time.
2022-02-22 16:29:18	Edu4rdSHL	It isn't hard to understand, I hope
2022-02-22 16:29:31	interweb	Edu4rdSHL, first of all it seems like you're confused, I'm using archlinux. 
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2022-02-22 16:29:45	bug2000	interweb, there's nor there.
2022-02-22 16:29:47	Edu4rdSHL	interweb, and I'm saying that in general, not to you.
2022-02-22 16:29:47	bug2000	an or
2022-02-22 16:29:51	interweb	Edu4rdSHL, if you don't know how to answer a question admit it 
2022-02-22 16:29:56	interweb	don't flame others
2022-02-22 16:29:57	NoImNotNineVolt	interweb: if one doesn't run arch then one should gtfo of this channel and ask one's distro devs for support.
2022-02-22 16:29:58	jelle	red_: doesn't endeavour add it's own repos and ZFS support?
2022-02-22 16:30:01	NoImNotNineVolt	better? 
2022-02-22 16:30:10	bug2000	Jelle to the rescue!
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2022-02-22 16:30:43	NoImNotNineVolt	full disclosure: i haven't been running arch in over a year
2022-02-22 16:30:52	⚡ 	NoImNotNineVolt recently got his 1 year arch-free chip
2022-02-22 16:30:55	interweb	NoImNotNineVolt, Edu4rdSHL If you wanted to you could create an exact copy of other arch based systems on your archlinux, and that way you shouldn't refuse helping others
2022-02-22 16:31:00	bug2000	Edu4rdSHL, For the record we also tell people partial upgrades are not supported and people still try and break their system :) Just had to help a friend with that. He learned his lesson.
2022-02-22 16:31:06	jelle	NoImNotNineVolt: congrats, now move on
2022-02-22 16:31:09	interweb	since noone knows what exact packages someone is using ...
2022-02-22 16:31:18	bug2000	NoImNotNineVolt, You need your Arch booster shot
2022-02-22 16:31:20	NoImNotNineVolt	interweb: but that's undesirable and seems like bad advice.
2022-02-22 16:31:28	red_	jelle: I've been using linux for 4 days. 
2022-02-22 16:31:31	NoImNotNineVolt	jelle: i still love arch. 
2022-02-22 16:31:33	interweb	NoImNotNineVolt, not true, They are technically still running archlinux 
2022-02-22 16:31:44	◣	Mete-- (~Mete-@69.87.216.197) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-02-22 16:31:53	NoImNotNineVolt	interweb: i never claimed otherwise.
2022-02-22 16:32:11	interweb	then their problem can be resolved here then 
2022-02-22 16:32:20	bug2000	interweb, and at some point they'd get told get rid of your broken configuration.
2022-02-22 16:32:26	red_	You guys mean to tell me that if I install Mint on my wife's imac you guys will NOT help me? What a rude community????
2022-02-22 16:32:28	bug2000	You're on your own if you try to run arch without systemd...
2022-02-22 16:32:30	NoImNotNineVolt	it can be, but it would be extra work, and so it would be undesirable. that's why i describe it as bad advice.
2022-02-22 16:32:34	Edu4rdSHL	bug2000, people like to follow bad advices :p, I have see infinite amounts of blogs indirectly recommending partial upgrades.
2022-02-22 16:32:50	interweb	bug2000, you are the one decides who's configs are broken? you realise none of our configs are like eachother right now using the base archlinux
2022-02-22 16:32:53	bug2000	red_, Rude?! What is that enlightenment. We are not paid for this.
2022-02-22 16:32:54	NoImNotNineVolt	interweb: you seem to be under the impression that the goal of people here is to maximize the amount of unpaid support they provide to others. that's a bad assumption.
2022-02-22 16:33:03	red_	bug2000: it was a joke lmao
2022-02-22 16:33:13	interweb	NoImNotNineVolt, No one assumed that but nice strawman
2022-02-22 16:33:25	NoImNotNineVolt	thanks :)
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2022-02-22 16:33:29	BrainDamage	it's not that simple, for instance when you install arch you have to make several choices to make during installation, choices that you'll be asked for during debugging
2022-02-22 16:33:38	bug2000	Edu4rdSHL, srsly? oh my :( they just create more work for us.
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2022-02-22 16:33:55	red_	Naw I understand completely why you guys want support to be for Arch only. Certainly even off-shoots of arch are slightly different on install
2022-02-22 16:33:58	Edu4rdSHL	red_, well, then there's a advice: since your problem is with Endeavour then go and ask they for support, not here.
2022-02-22 16:34:08	red_	I can't, their community is dead.
2022-02-22 16:34:15	BrainDamage	if you take a canned solution with those choices made for you, while it's easier, it makes the work incredibly harder for us because we cannot magically guess them
2022-02-22 16:34:15	Edu4rdSHL	That isn't our problem.
2022-02-22 16:34:26	NoImNotNineVolt	what's in it for people here to support arch-based distroys?
2022-02-22 16:34:28	BrainDamage	if you want to switch to arch, we'll help you
2022-02-22 16:34:29	NoImNotNineVolt	-y
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2022-02-22 16:34:41	Edu4rdSHL	bug2000, yes, I think that they aren't even aware of that :p, copy/paste spread I guess.
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2022-02-22 16:34:44	red_	Edu4rdSHL: I should have known with that 4 in your name that you'd be too elite for me...
2022-02-22 16:34:44	interweb	NoImNotNineVolt, What's in it for people to support other archlinux users?
2022-02-22 16:34:46	NoImNotNineVolt	nothing, that's what. or, worse than nothing. we'd be helping further splinter the arch community.
2022-02-22 16:34:55	NoImNotNineVolt	interweb: further promotion of arch.
2022-02-22 16:35:18	red_	to be frank, now that I'm more comfortable navigating terminal, using pacman, yay, etc I shouldn't have an issue installing arch.
2022-02-22 16:35:22	NoImNotNineVolt	interweb: adding further value to arch by ensuring the presence of a healthy support community.
2022-02-22 16:35:39	NoImNotNineVolt	etc.
2022-02-22 16:35:39	bug2000	Edu4rdSHL, We were supposed to have the noob-wall to protect us from people who don't read the minimal amount of info.
2022-02-22 16:35:41	interweb	NoImNotNineVolt, then you're doing that by using archlinux, and not installing the base linux from scratch
2022-02-22 16:35:47	bug2000	The wall is shattered.
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2022-02-22 16:36:02	NoImNotNineVolt	interweb: i'm not sure how that claim is relevant to what's being discussed.
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2022-02-22 16:36:21	red_	bug2000: The foundation is compromised.. people joined an irc who do NOT belong..
2022-02-22 16:36:32	interweb	NoImNotNineVolt, based on your assumption you're making the "Linux" ecosystem weaker by using archlinux?
2022-02-22 16:36:36	Eldeberen	bug2000 sounds like eternal september
2022-02-22 16:36:50	NoImNotNineVolt	interweb: i'm not sure what you mean by 'the "Linux" ecosystem'
2022-02-22 16:37:19	NoImNotNineVolt	interweb: i believe you'd be contributing more to the LFS ecosystem if you installed LFS rather than arch, yes.
2022-02-22 16:37:31	◣	timmcg (~timmcg@c-65-96-32-86.hsd1.me.comcast.net) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-02-22 16:37:45	NoImNotNineVolt	interweb: or, for a more appropriate analogy, if you provided support for LFS rather than for arch.
2022-02-22 16:37:45	interweb	NoImNotNineVolt, We are using archlinux (which is a bunch of configs) on top of Gnu + Linux / Your claim means that we are weakening the Linux ecosystem by putting our attention on archlinux instead of the main Linux channels etc etc
2022-02-22 16:37:53	Edu4rdSHL	red_, I'm not being elitist, it's just that when you use that installer, you: 1) dont know what packages are exactly being installed, 2) don't know what configurations are being changed, including your Desktop environment, network, etc. 3) dont know which services are being enabled/disabled. 4) are installing packages from unnoficial repos with custom builds/configurations.
2022-02-22 16:38:03	NoImNotNineVolt	interweb: it's not clear how merely using a given OS does anything for its ecosystem.
2022-02-22 16:38:18	NoImNotNineVolt	interweb: Your claim means that we are weakening the Linux ecosystem
2022-02-22 16:38:20	NoImNotNineVolt	lol
2022-02-22 16:38:24	Edu4rdSHL	I use XFCE with nvidia here and everything runs perfectly, I haven't had at least one problem, so I think that it's some Endeavour-specific thing causing the problem.
2022-02-22 16:38:27	NoImNotNineVolt	interweb: that's _your_ claim, for the record. you said it.
2022-02-22 16:38:34	red_	Edu4rdSHL: yeah I understand. it's impossible for you to know what is running on my end, and this compounded and supported will "botch" the support information available for raw arch linux.
2022-02-22 16:38:46	NoImNotNineVolt	interweb: unless you can quote me saying something about "the linuix ecosytem", other than my questioning of what you meant by that.
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2022-02-22 16:39:12	NoImNotNineVolt	interweb: you seem to be conflating OSes and OS kernels, now.
2022-02-22 16:39:16	interweb	NoImNotNineVolt, "adding further value to arch by ensuring the presence of a healthy support community."
2022-02-22 16:39:33	NoImNotNineVolt	interweb: that quote has 0 instances of "linux ecosystem"
2022-02-22 16:39:33	◣	alx741 (~alx741@157.100.197.240) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2022-02-22 16:39:37	red_	do you guys personally support off-shoot distributions or would you prefer that arch-based users just install arch to make this all go away?
2022-02-22 16:39:44	interweb	you are arguing on #archlinux instead of #linux therefore weakening the #linux?
2022-02-22 16:39:52	red_	forks in linux will never go away tbh, I'm just curious what everyone's thoughts are
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2022-02-22 16:40:03	NoImNotNineVolt	interweb: are you asking or telling?
2022-02-22 16:40:14	interweb	yes
2022-02-22 16:40:17	interweb	:D
2022-02-22 16:40:18	red_	lmao
2022-02-22 16:40:37	NoImNotNineVolt	...
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2022-02-22 16:41:09	red_	people have said in the past that the arch support community are dicks, but honestly I haven't found that to be the case. as long as you present your issue and things that you have attempted to resolve it, everyone has been cool.
2022-02-22 16:41:30	◣	Scarecr0- (scarecr0w@user/scarecr0w) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-02-22 16:41:31	Namarrgon	yet you came back here after i told you that endeavour is not supported by us
2022-02-22 16:42:13	◣	kageurufu (~quassel@user/kageurufu) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-02-22 16:42:24	red_	they're dead as a door knob. 
2022-02-22 16:42:27	red_	arch-install here i come
2022-02-22 16:42:28	Edu4rdSHL	red_, you got the point: "and this compounded and supported will "botch" the support information available for raw arch linux.", because we assume that everything is stock config or user-defined config where he knows what he modified. But when it's other distro which add additional things, all our debugging/help efforts usually doesn't help in anything and that's annoying/frustratting for both
2022-02-22 16:42:30	Edu4rdSHL	sides. That's why you should install Arch, seriously, I don't have any problem with XFCE + nvidia.
2022-02-22 16:42:30	NoImNotNineVolt	i've found the arch support community to be just the right amount of dick :P
2022-02-22 16:42:49	red_	Edu4rdSHL: yeah I understand completely 
2022-02-22 16:42:56	Edu4rdSHL	!give red_ tada
2022-02-22 16:42:57	phrik	red_: Fuck off, I'm not your butler.
2022-02-22 16:43:01	Edu4rdSHL	Lmao
2022-02-22 16:43:06	red_	lmao
2022-02-22 16:43:14	Edu4rdSHL	Why !tada changed xD
2022-02-22 16:43:21	interweb	!tada
2022-02-22 16:43:21	phrik	Fuck off, I'm not your butler.
2022-02-22 16:43:23	red_	I haven't used IRC since like 1998 boys.
2022-02-22 16:43:25	Edu4rdSHL	🎉
2022-02-22 16:43:27	red_	I missed it
2022-02-22 16:43:32	NoImNotNineVolt	it used to be so much better back then.
2022-02-22 16:43:42	NoImNotNineVolt	well, maybe not better, different :P
2022-02-22 16:43:47	red_	back in the day (I was installing slackware trying to get x to run on a packard bell)
2022-02-22 16:43:51	red_	the linux community would just say
2022-02-22 16:43:57	red_	"READ THE FUCKING MANUAL YOU NOOB PIECE OF SHIT"
2022-02-22 16:44:14	red_	people are much nicer nowadays
2022-02-22 16:44:15	NoImNotNineVolt	sounds like pat
2022-02-22 16:44:27	red_	RTFM!!!
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2022-02-22 16:45:22	red_	stupid question, this one will make you guys laugh: why do I see two different arch neofetch logos on people's screenshots 
2022-02-22 16:45:35	red_	one looks like the nice classic, the other has a loop around it in star trek fashion
2022-02-22 16:46:11	◣	marcello42 (~mp@p200300dfaf10fe015baf6eed7f4ef68f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) ha salido (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2022-02-22 16:46:31	Khorne	Different neofetch implementations
2022-02-22 16:46:42	Eldeberen	IMHO, in the case of Arch, RTFM is often the most efficient way to solve bugs… Anyway x)
2022-02-22 16:46:45	Eldeberen	https://t.breizh.pm/inline/Nz84Rw/in_arch_wiki_we_trust.png
2022-02-22 16:47:07	red_	definitely true because the wiki is among the best I've ever seen period
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2022-02-23 12:05:54	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-23 11:57:41	shana	Gagis, when I figure out how to add route to docker then probably can add on disconnect script to NetworkManager no problem
2022-02-23 12:05:54	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-23 12:11:06	weltio	Khorne: thx
2022-02-23 12:11:27	shana	So upon investigating more found out that docker connection gets cut to container, docker0(bridge) interface goes down. When vpn disconnects route table is empty until network manager regains network access then it does not bring back docker route
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2022-02-23 12:13:44	weltio	Khorne: isnt CONFIG_HAVE_LIVEPATCH=y enough? in /proc/config.gz?
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2022-02-23 12:14:11	Khorne	Hmm, I was under the impression it requires CONFIG_LIVEPATCH among other things
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2022-02-23 12:14:51	Khorne	Maybe the option changed, I guess you can try and see what it does
2022-02-23 12:14:57	weltio	:D
2022-02-23 12:15:04	weltio	good idea
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2022-02-23 12:17:39	Earnestly	Which digests typically have broad asic support?
2022-02-23 12:18:05	Earnestly	Support by cpus that is
2022-02-23 12:18:12	Earnestly	Intel has sha extensions
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2022-02-23 12:25:13	shugo	hi, i don't have XDG_CONFIG_HOME variable, from where should i set it ?
2022-02-23 12:25:37	Namarrgon	why do you want to set it?
2022-02-23 12:25:44	f00	lol i'm just formulating a question concerning exactly that matter
2022-02-23 12:26:01	f00	q: /etc/profile.d/ seems to be the right place so define XDG_CONFIG_HOME
2022-02-23 12:26:21	f00	but /etc/profile.d/locale.sh uses XDG_CONFIG_HOME
2022-02-23 12:27:08	f00	inf /etc/profile the scripts in /etc/profile.d/ are sourced by
2022-02-23 12:27:20	f00	for profile in /etc/profile.d/*.sh; do ... ; done
2022-02-23 12:27:47	f00	but for ... in loop cannot be relied to have alphabetic order
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2022-02-23 12:28:43	jelle	there is no XDG_CONFIG_HOME for me in locale.sh
2022-02-23 12:28:45	f00	and even if it does compute the files in alphabetic oder, if i use /etc/profile.d/xdg.sh or a similar name x would be after l (locale.sh)
2022-02-23 12:28:58	jelle	oh I typo
2022-02-23 12:29:02	susi	I set XDG_* variables in .zshenv, where I set up most of the others too
2022-02-23 12:29:07	f00	grep XDG /etc/profile.d/*.sh
2022-02-23 12:29:20	jelle	f00: jaja
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2022-02-23 12:29:58	f00	susi, that is zsh specific and only sourced by non-login shells as far as i know
2022-02-23 12:30:00	susi	if I were using bash, I'd probably set it in .bash_profile or similar
2022-02-23 12:30:19	shugo	susi: what abt .profile ?
2022-02-23 12:30:36	jelle	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/filesystem/trunk/profile#L26 seems fixable
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2022-02-23 12:31:24	susi	f00: (.zshenv is always sourced, for non-interactive too)
2022-02-23 12:31:38	jelle	susi: but is it sourced before /etc/profile :)
2022-02-23 12:31:48	f00	susi, ok sry
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2022-02-23 12:32:46	f00	still the scripts in /etc/profile.d are sourced before the dotfiles in $HOME
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2022-02-23 12:34:27	f00	[12:25:54] s/inf /in 
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2022-02-23 12:35:25	jelle	shugo: what shell?
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2022-02-23 12:35:32	shugo	bash
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2022-02-23 12:35:56	jelle	bash --noprofile
2022-02-23 12:35:58	⚡ 	jelle runs
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2022-02-23 12:36:31	jelle	anyway it sources /etc/profile first 
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2022-02-23 12:37:08	shugo	so it also sources ~/.bash_profile and ~/.profile afterwards ?
2022-02-23 12:37:23	jelle	it's documented in man bash
2022-02-23 12:37:35	jelle	>  looks for ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, and ~/.profile, in that order, and reads and executes commands from the first one that exists
2022-02-23 12:38:01	shugo	actually i saw this but didn't understood this line "reads and executes commands from the first one that
2022-02-23 12:38:03	shugo	        │ exists
2022-02-23 12:38:07	shugo	"
2022-02-23 12:38:19	◣	Nimzowitsch (~nimzo@user/nimzowitsch) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-02-23 12:38:24	f00	and inside /etc/profile the /etc/profile.d/*.sh scripts are sourced by means of for loop. and these contain /etc/profile.d/locace.sh which already uses XDG_CONFIG_HOME
2022-02-23 12:38:35	f00	which is a problem as it seems to me
2022-02-23 12:38:38	jelle	f00: yes, and I pointed you at the source code
2022-02-23 12:38:51	jelle	f00: what do you set XDG_CONFIG_HOME too?
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2022-02-23 12:39:42	f00	i'm just trying to find the right spot where i can set it. because some programms are configured badly and pollute my ~.
2022-02-23 12:39:50	susi	jelle: yes, it is sourced before /etc/profile because zsh is my login shell
2022-02-23 12:39:50	f00	with dotfiles
2022-02-23 12:39:57	jelle	f00: what?
2022-02-23 12:40:01	f00	s/.$/
2022-02-23 12:40:07	◣	pokr (~pokr@101.94.168.192) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-02-23 12:40:11	jelle	f00: XDG_CONFIG_HOME defaults to $HOME/.config
2022-02-23 12:40:16	f00	s/~./$HOME
2022-02-23 12:40:19	jelle	so how does it pollute your ~/.
2022-02-23 12:40:30	f00	yea was typo
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2022-02-23 12:40:38	Khorne	Because the application probably doesn't respect it in the first place
2022-02-23 12:40:50	Khorne	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_Base_Directory#Support
2022-02-23 12:40:51	phrik	Title: XDG Base Directory - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-23 12:41:02	jelle	f00: so what do you set XDG_CONFIG_HOME too
2022-02-23 12:41:29	f00	i.e. i have .dmrc .fltk .elinks in my ~/.
2022-02-23 12:41:43	f00	jelle i havent't even set it
2022-02-23 12:41:50	jelle	ok, so you are looking for a problem :)
2022-02-23 12:41:52	f00	i want to set it to the default 
2022-02-23 12:42:05	Khorne	Whats the point
2022-02-23 12:42:12	f00	so badly written programs will not use my home as default
2022-02-23 12:42:20	rcf	f00: it is the default in any conforming application, the problem is that applications don't care about the specification. 
2022-02-23 12:42:21	◣	Tom^ (~Tom^@user/tom/x-0773808) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2022-02-23 12:42:21	Khorne	Badly written programs will do whatever they want
2022-02-23 12:42:32	jelle	f00: report bugs :)
2022-02-23 12:42:52	jelle	elinks is so old 
2022-02-23 12:42:53	rcf	f00: if they don't default to ~/.config, they will not honor $XDG_CONFIG_HOME if you set it. 
2022-02-23 12:43:05	f00	rcf, thats why i want to set it explicitly to the default value
2022-02-23 12:43:14	jelle	elinks won't ever honour XDG_CONFIG_HOME
2022-02-23 12:43:28	rcf	f00: no, I mean, if you set it, it will do absolutely nothing. You will see no change. 
2022-02-23 12:43:39	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_Base_Directory
2022-02-23 12:43:40	phrik	Title: XDG Base Directory - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-02-23 12:44:16	rcf	f00: These applications are not even checking for XDG_CONFIG_HOME, they are just defaulting to whatever they want and you need to modify their source code to get the behavior you want here. 
2022-02-23 12:44:30	jelle	rcf: should write a BPF rule for this
2022-02-23 12:44:58	◣	Szadek (~Szadek@194.36.25.59) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-02-23 12:45:15	rcf	f00: it's not that they're configured badly right now, it's that they don't support configuration for this at all. 
2022-02-23 12:45:26	◣	Volgaar (~volgaar@147.94.11.51) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2022-02-23 12:45:29	f00	Khorne, Namarrgon i'm familiar with that wiki page, and it lists some of the programms that have dotfilles in my home
2022-02-23 12:45:32	◣	bug2000 (~bug@user/bug) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-02-23 12:45:41	f00	but maybe i need to read it more closely
2022-02-23 12:45:42	Namarrgon	it also lists possible hackarounds
2022-02-23 12:46:11	Khorne	f00: it lists which applications respect the XDG spec and which don't, well a subset of those applications 
2022-02-23 12:46:18	mongy	their manpages will likely tell you if another location can be set, for example I have `ELINKS_CONFDIR=/tmp/.elinks` set
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2022-02-23 12:47:26	mongy	hoovered my home up so now .zprofile is the only dot :)
2022-02-23 12:47:56	◣	tpowa (~tpowa@archlinux/developer/tpowa) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2022-02-23 12:47:59	f00	so most (all) of you suggest, defining the XDG defaults paths explicitly won't improve the situation of too many dotfiles in home?
2022-02-23 12:48:12	◥	operateur (~My_user_n@91.143.220.230) has joined #archlinux
2022-02-23 12:48:16	rcf	Indeed. 
2022-02-23 12:48:39	f00	alright, ty friends
2022-02-23 12:48:56	Khorne	Defaulting to the default is a 1=1 problem in the first place, regardless of the case at hand, and yea, either look for application-specific settings that allow to move the config files or..well, live with it
2022-02-23 12:49:34	Khorne	Personally, I don't have much of an issue with stuff in ~, but.. *shrug*
2022-02-23 12:50:03	rcf	I find it a minor irritation but it's all just symlinks to me, everything actually lives in ~/dotfiles 
2022-02-23 12:50:10	Khorne	^
2022-02-23 12:50:21	BrainDamage	it's exactly programs that don't honor .xdg config that need special treatment
2022-02-23 12:50:29	BrainDamage	those who do are already well ordered
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2022-02-23 12:51:34	rcf	If I install something that likes to pollute ~, it's all getting moved at that point. And if people actually read the full spec they'll know that it does not solve the problem of dotfile pollution in a truly-better way because it encourages applications to spread their crap in multiple directories. 
2022-02-23 12:52:32	BrainDamage	you can set all the XDG paths to the same dest
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2022-02-23 12:52:42	Namarrgon	~
2022-02-23 12:52:48	Khorne	/thread
2022-02-23 12:52:50	Namarrgon	whoops
2022-02-23 12:52:54	⚡ 	jelle makes an app for rcf that uses all XDG_ env vars
2022-02-23 12:53:02	Namarrgon	that wasn't supposed to be a reply, even if it fits
2022-02-23 12:53:14	f00	lol
2022-02-23 12:53:53	rcf	BrainDamage: but that requires extra configuration. Dumping everything in ~/.$APPNAME by default irks me slightly less. Though again I just don't find it that big of a deal. 
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2022-02-23 12:54:24	DF32	Hey. Anyone else having issues when using "flameshot screen -p /path/to/screenshot"? i.e. images not showing correctly. While using the select tool works fine.
2022-02-23 12:54:54	Khorne	I mean, as long as everything in .config is what you need to create workable backups, I don't care what an application dumps anywhere else
2022-02-23 12:54:58	BrainDamage	rcf: I like having configuration and runtime data separated, so that my backup rules simplify considerably
2022-02-23 12:55:28	rcf	jelle: I do usually honor all of them when applicable. 
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2022-02-23 12:56:11	rcf	What fun is there in programming if you don't make things you yourself find annoying in certain contexts? 
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2022-02-23 13:06:39	Franzy086	There is an official package that I would like to contribute a small patch for to spare the maintainer from having to debug the same issue I just solved.
2022-02-23 13:06:44	Franzy086	What is the most appropriate way to do so? Do I file a bug to provide the patch or is there a way to make a pull request to the official package repo?
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2022-02-23 13:11:09	Earnestly	Of backups, new borg 1.2 has borg compact --cleanup-commits (see manual)
2022-02-23 13:11:21	Earnestly	Might want to do a borg check as well
2022-02-23 13:11:52	Namarrgon	Franzy086: no PRs, file a feature-request/bugreport and attach the patch or email the maintainer
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2022-02-23 13:13:14	Franzy086	Thanks
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2022-02-23 16:33:24	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-23 16:33:24	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1502 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1501 normals)
2022-02-23 13:41:09	gloomy	Hey, sorry if this was probably asked many times, but is there a way to find out whether a package was installed from an official repo or from the aur? 
2022-02-23 13:41:47	gloomy	(for context, autokey-qt stopped working and I'm trying to figure out when/how I installed it)
2022-02-23 13:41:51	Scimmia	not specifically, but you can check who built the package
2022-02-23 13:41:52	grawity	`pacman -Qi foo` and see who's listed as the "packager"
2022-02-23 13:42:04	grawity	or grep your pacman.log and see if it was installed via pacman -U or not
2022-02-23 13:42:31	luckiswithme	anyone getting error with docker recently?
2022-02-23 13:42:41	luckiswithme	i mean it was running fine few weeks ago
2022-02-23 13:42:55	luckiswithme	and suddenly when I want to update my container docker doesn't run
2022-02-23 13:42:55	gloomy	"Unknown Packager" hah :D
2022-02-23 13:43:44	luckiswithme	The following error throws when trying to pull image: [12833] Error loading Python lib '/tmp/_MEIjKrq8e/libpython3.7m.so.1.0': dlopen: libcrypt.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2022-02-23 13:45:13	gloomy	found it in the logs, thanks grawity  !
2022-02-23 13:54:17	CaTaCaS	It is possible to use USB Devices on VirtualBox without the "virtualbox-ext-oracle" Package. I see the USB 1.1 Controller but it does not work. I thought I only need "virtualbox-ext-oracle" for USB 3.0.
2022-02-23 13:54:17	CaTaCaS	Or would it be better to switch to QEMU? I have only Archlinux as host machines.
2022-02-23 13:54:42	grawity	both USB2 and USB3 require the package
2022-02-23 13:54:55	bittin	congrats to some more years as a leader anthraxx :p
2022-02-23 13:55:33	grawity	USB1 *should* work without – but I'm not entirely sure whether you can use the USB1 option with devices on an xHCI controller
2022-02-23 13:55:48	grawity	there's some weirdness related to mixing physical and emulated versions
2022-02-23 14:01:23	CaTaCaS	grawity thanks. I had hoped that at least USB2.0 would work without the package. I would like to do without AUR packages. Is it not possible to import the extension pack maybe the VM without installing the package?
2022-02-23 14:01:55	Namarrgon	the result would be the same, if not worse, no?
2022-02-23 14:02:21	grawity	CaTaCaS: sure, download it from Oracle's website and add it through the GUI
2022-02-23 14:02:32	grawity	but then you have to take care of updating it, I think
2022-02-23 14:02:51	Namarrgon	iirc you can use usb1/2 device without the pack but not if plug them into a usb3 port
2022-02-23 14:03:02	grawity	hmm
2022-02-23 14:03:43	Namarrgon	(in this case the usb2 device would still be passed in via usb1 but it would work)
2022-02-23 14:04:06	CaTaCaS	Namarrgon the USB2.0 Controller is not shown in the VM without the Package.
2022-02-23 14:04:40	Namarrgon	no, but you should be able to use it via an emulated OCHI controller,
2022-02-23 14:04:56	Namarrgon	for usb2/3 features you need the extension pack
2022-02-23 14:05:21	Namarrgon	or just switch to something that isn't vbox
2022-02-23 14:05:43	CaTaCaS	ok, I have test it out on my old Desktop over usb2.0 Hub and the USB 1.1 Controller on the VM, but it not work :(
2022-02-23 14:07:21	CaTaCaS	I'll have a look at QEMU, maybe I'll be happier with it. Thank You much much.
2022-02-23 14:08:13	MacGyver	Hmm?
2022-02-23 14:09:40	MacGyver	CaTaCaS: You've always needed the extensions package for USB*2* and now also 3, one of my main gripes with virtualbox -- yes, switching to qemu *will* make your life easier *but* I'd advise you to use libvirt and virt-manager for it.
2022-02-23 14:10:06	grawity	assuming you're running operating systems that qemu/kvm supports
2022-02-23 14:10:16	MacGyver	CaTaCaS: Pure qemu is a bit daunting if you're used to Virtualbox and there's no reason not to use libvirt.
2022-02-23 14:12:34	grawity	tbh I find libvirt's "storage pools" and networks and stuff more daunting than raw qemu
2022-02-23 14:12:55	grawity	who decided to call it 'destroy domain' instead of 'stop VM'?...
2022-02-23 14:13:29	CaTaCaS	I've only seen one qemu video so far, will read up on libvirt etc. I will of course not use the pure terminal version, I want to have UI :)
2022-02-23 14:18:57	Namarrgon	there are simple frontends for qemu than libvirt, e.g. aqemu, vmm, qtqemu
2022-02-23 14:58:06	SysGhost	virt-manager : simple and useful. I use it myself.
2022-02-23 14:58:23	SysGhost	almost virtualbox-like 
2022-02-23 15:01:23	jelle	gnome-boxes is even more simple!
2022-02-23 15:12:19	mongy	not when setting up win11
2022-02-23 15:12:26	CaTaCaS	I think I will test qwmu with virt-manager and see. I understand, that qwmu is running only on Linux and I have anly Linux on the maschienes.
2022-02-23 15:12:26	CaTaCaS	But I assume that I can also virtualize Windows under qrmu, that should work. Because I need a Windows 7 virtualization for Volvo Vida Diagnostic Tool :)
2022-02-23 15:12:36	mongy	it's paragraphs of nonsense not needed with virt-manager
2022-02-23 15:15:19	socksinspace	i can recommend quickemu if you are not doing anything too fancy
2022-02-23 15:21:43	CaTaCaS	ok, i was wrong. qemu is even available for Windows
2022-02-23 15:22:03	jelle	and mac OS
2022-02-23 15:25:29	CaTaCaS	Now I'm getting confused. qemu is the pure software without UI for terminal and libvirt, virt-manager etc. the UI extension. And what is quickemu now?
2022-02-23 15:25:58	jelle	no idea, it's not in the repos
2022-02-23 15:26:11	jelle	ooooo
2022-02-23 15:26:15	Khorne	libvirt is a frontend for qemu (among other things), virt-manager is a frontend for libvirt
2022-02-23 15:27:08	jelle	CaTaCaS: quickemu is a bunch of shell scripts to setup some vm's automatically
2022-02-23 15:27:25	socksinspace	yeah, it's in the aur
2022-02-23 15:28:02	CaTaCaS	ok, thanks. Will do some tests tonight.
2022-02-23 15:33:46	arjab	Is it just me or does anybody else run into an error when trying to install plasma-desktop? I get a message that Daniel Bermond's PGP signature of the package vmaf is only marginal trusted and the package's file *.pkg.tar.zst ist invalid or corrupted. The pacstrap command failes with an error.
2022-02-23 15:36:58	Scimmia	arjab: you're doing this from pacstrap on the ISO? Probably an old ISO?
2022-02-23 15:37:57	arjab	@Scimmia Ah yes, it's the one from January. I'll try the latest one, thanks for the hint.
2022-02-23 15:38:10	majuscule	I can play sound via aplay -D plughw:1,8 ./piano2.wav, and see the corresponding hdmi output in pulse pavucontrol, but no sound is produced. I see hdmi output in pactl list sinks What might I be doing wrong?
2022-02-23 15:38:13	mpan	Scimmia: regarding old ISO keyring issues and my mistake on the forum recently (assuming outdated system, not noticing no keyring update). Why would -Syu not trigger keyring update?
2022-02-23 15:38:50	mpan	arjab: if the problem persists, update archlinux-keyring first (alone), then try installing anything else.
2022-02-23 15:38:58	Scimmia	arjab: all you would have to do is update the keyring. Either on the ISO or chroot into the new system first
2022-02-23 15:39:32	Scimmia	mpan: because they already had the latest keyring package
2022-02-23 15:39:59	mpan	Scimmia: so why were they having keyring issues?
2022-02-23 15:40:37	Scimmia	mpan: the problem comes from the installation order; pacman depends on archlinux-keyring, which means archlinux-keyring gets installed first. The post_install script tries to call pacman-key --populate archlinux, but there is no pacman-key installed yet, so it can't
2022-02-23 15:40:53	mpan	oh
2022-02-23 15:40:57	mpan	thanks
2022-02-23 15:41:40	Scimmia	hopefully it'll get fixed soon, but as it is right now, you'll end up with whatever keyring is on the ISO you used to install the system
2022-02-23 15:42:04	Scimmia	but pacman-key --populate archlinux will fix it
2022-02-23 15:44:12	arjab	Worked now, thanks again. I'll add this to my installation notes. :)
2022-02-23 15:46:13	CaTaCaS	arjab and my Tip, do an backup for this notes :)
2022-02-23 15:46:27	mystiquewolf	When pacman updates packages, does it rm the file and write it as new, or it simply overwrites the contents over the same file?
2022-02-23 15:46:52	mpan	arjab: be aware that this is not a typical situation either. The keyring just received a lot of changes recently. That’s not happening often.
2022-02-23 15:48:28	arjab	@mpan Alrighty, I was just trying out my stupid little bash install script and was afraid I messed something up, because it literally worked a week ago..
2022-02-23 15:50:06	mpan	arjab: also, it’s IRC, not Twitter. There is no need to prepend @ to names and it is actually counterproductive, at it often prevents people from being highlighted when you address them.
2022-02-23 15:50:42	arjab	Thanks for the heads up.
2022-02-23 15:51:12	rassawyer	oou
2022-02-23 15:56:09	masoudd	mystiquewolf, I think it overwrites
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2022-02-23 17:00:31	ilomiglio	Hi, when i enable zswap i don't see any swap in 'free -h'
2022-02-23 17:00:37	ilomiglio	enabling zram i see it in free
2022-02-23 17:01:00	ilomiglio	talking about systemd-swap
2022-02-23 17:01:10	ilomiglio	!past
2022-02-23 17:01:10	phrik	ilomiglio: Eh?
2022-02-23 17:01:23	ilomiglio	!paste
2022-02-23 17:01:23	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-02-23 17:03:28	ilomiglio	https://bpa.st/ACHQ
2022-02-23 17:03:29	phrik	Title: View paste ACHQ (at bpa.st)
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2022-02-23 17:04:35	rapha	hi all
2022-02-23 17:04:35	Scimmia	ilomiglio: do you have a swap partition/file?
2022-02-23 17:04:38	tirnanog	zswap will do nothing without at least one active swap.
2022-02-23 17:05:02	ilomiglio	i have a swapfile but i disabled it in /etc/fstab thinking systemd-swap would create a new one
2022-02-23 17:05:15	ilomiglio	i see, so i have to enable my swapfile?
2022-02-23 17:05:21	Scimmia	yes
2022-02-23 17:05:22	rapha	after changing from an encrypted swap part to an unecrypted one, i still have errors during boot, even after running mkinitcpio and grub-mkconfig ... where else but /etc/fstab and /etc/default/grub and /etc/openswap.conf do i have to change the UUID?
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2022-02-23 17:06:30	Scimmia	rapha: what error?When?
2022-02-23 17:06:35	ilomiglio	ok, the swap is on, thank you
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2022-02-23 17:07:04	ilomiglio	idk if zswap is managing it however
2022-02-23 17:07:44	rapha	Scimmia: "device  couldn't be opened" or some such thing and then 1 min, 30 secs of waiting time, then error message gone too fast to read and boot continues
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2022-02-23 17:07:52	tirnanog	imloki: if "cat /sys/module/zswap/parameters/enabled" reports Y, then it will be.
2022-02-23 17:07:57	tirnanog	soory, ilomiglio.
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2022-02-23 17:08:14	imloki	:o
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2022-02-23 17:08:56	Khorne	rapha, journalctl -b 0 to see error messages of current boot
2022-02-23 17:09:44	ilomiglio	tirnanog: Y appear, so its working
2022-02-23 17:09:47	ilomiglio	thank you all
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2022-02-23 17:11:12	tirnanog	note that it defaults to being on in arch's "linux" kernel package anyway.
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2022-02-23 17:26:33	rapha	Scimmia: Khorne: so, just "Timed out waiting for device /dev/disk/by-uuid/a6ac3f61-ef72-4e9c-bda4-8e969b171fe3", which is the UUID that is no more.
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2022-02-23 17:26:51	Khorne	rapha, do you have a leftover .mount unit for that device?
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2022-02-23 17:33:15	rapha	hmm, nope, nothing about swapspace in there.
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2022-02-24 13:27:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-24 13:27:01	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1507 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1507 normals)
2022-02-24 13:20:52	suss	is there emacs plugin for it lives with no WM?
2022-02-24 13:21:22	suss	seems impossible in theory
2022-02-24 13:22:31	Overl	So, I did a firmware update on my motherboard. after making grub work again and being able to go back in my Linux installation, I noticed Network istn working (I have the pc on a ethernet cable) Even after un and reinstalling network manager nmcli connection shows nothing at all
2022-02-24 13:25:58	Overl	Also nmcli dev status only shows the loopback
2022-02-24 13:27:01	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-24 13:29:51	mpan	The recommended rsync update invocation (with `--delay-updates`) for Arch mirror should ensure that different official repos are always in sync, right?
2022-02-24 13:30:03	teraflops	Overl: reinstalling NM won't fix a nic not detected, did you look at dmesg?
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2022-02-24 13:30:40	mpan	Or that, at least, non-atomicity of the operation and possible desynchronisation doesn’t stay for more than a few seconds?
2022-02-24 13:31:35	Overl	teraflops not yet. what should I look for. Just grep network manager?
2022-02-24 13:32:09	teraflops	look for anything network related, also check lspci
2022-02-24 13:32:31	Namarrgon	is iwd enabled, too?
2022-02-24 13:32:40	teraflops	also, is there an entry in the mobo firmware to (de)activate ethernet device?
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2022-02-24 13:34:54	Overl	teraflops: Still looking through dmesg, but lspci shows the ethernet controller.
2022-02-24 13:35:12	Overl	What is iwd? I dont think its enabled as i havent heard of that before?
2022-02-24 13:35:42	Overl	and if there was a mobo entry like that, It probably wouldnt be able to connect to the internet when I plug in my boot stick or start in windows, right?
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2022-02-24 13:36:31	teraflops	do you do dual boot? (win/linux)
2022-02-24 13:36:48	Overl	Yup
2022-02-24 13:36:51	teraflops	hmm
2022-02-24 13:37:16	rcf	Overl: does it work on Windows? 
2022-02-24 13:37:21	teraflops	Overl: i'd try to disable fast boot on windows and reboot into linux at very first?
2022-02-24 13:37:34	teraflops	not asking sorry
2022-02-24 13:37:55	fernie	maybe full power cycle.. plug off, hold power button to drain any remaining
2022-02-24 13:38:23	fernie	had similar, that usually the fix
2022-02-24 13:38:33	teraflops	if that does not work i'd look into the device shown by lspci and look in dmesg about firmware
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2022-02-24 13:38:50	Overl	it works on windows. I'll disable fast boot, and if then it doesnt work, do a full power cycle. 
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2022-02-24 13:43:03	Overl	howl long do i need to hold the power button for the full power cycle?
2022-02-24 13:43:23	teraflops	usually till the power led flash
2022-02-24 13:43:30	teraflops	flash a bit
2022-02-24 13:44:33	Overl	Welp, that didnt work. still get a "temporary failure in name resolution" when I try to ping google
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2022-02-24 13:45:04	teraflops	is this wired or wireless nic?
2022-02-24 13:45:12	teraflops	what's shown in lspci?
2022-02-24 13:45:12	Overl	Wired
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2022-02-24 13:46:12	Overl	Ethernet controller: Intel corporation Ethernet Connection (7) I219-V (rev 10)
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2022-02-24 13:47:07	teraflops	`ip l` shows the nic?
2022-02-24 13:47:55	Overl	Nope, that only shows lo (loopback)
2022-02-24 13:48:27	teraflops	paste dmesg to a paste service
2022-02-24 13:48:38	teraflops	dmesg output^
2022-02-24 13:48:53	teraflops	oh, did you disable fast boot?
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2022-02-24 13:49:22	Overl	I did disable fastboot. and let me reboot into the live mdeium so I can paste it
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2022-02-24 13:51:50	teraflops	Overl: e.g dmesg | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
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2022-02-24 13:53:31	Overl	errr... Now the live medium doesnt connect to the internet either. Earlier it worked (I know because well, I uninstalled and reinstalled network manager from it)
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2022-02-24 13:56:36	teraflops	why are you use the live iso?
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2022-02-24 13:57:44	Overl	how would I paste the dmesg output to some site when I cant connect to the network. and earlier I could conect to the network through the live ISO so I tried it now
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2022-02-24 14:00:07	teraflops	hmm, a usb stick or maybe using a phone's usb tethering
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2022-02-24 14:00:57	Overl	oh, true, havent thought of that
2022-02-24 14:00:58	teraflops	anyways take a look at dmesg or journalctl -k output about the device
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2022-02-24 14:01:43	teraflops	dual booting with windows, not the first time we see here issues about pci devices not working
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2022-02-24 14:07:45	Overl	http://ix.io/3QBW the dmesg output
2022-02-24 14:10:00	teraflops	the only thing suspicious I see is  2.075479] e1000e 0000:00:1f.6: The NVM Checksum Is Not Valid
2022-02-24 14:10:00	teraflops	[    2.122751] e1000e: probe of 0000:00:1f.6 failed with error -5
2022-02-24 14:10:11	Overl	http://ix.io/3QBY and thats  from journalctl
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2022-02-24 14:13:03	Abdullah	so how can I open .fbr files in my arch box? 
2022-02-24 14:13:16	Abdullah	flashback recording videos in windows...
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2022-02-24 14:13:34	Abdullah	mpv couldn't open it. ffmpeg was also unable to convert them
2022-02-24 14:16:34	masoudd	look sy fbr file format page on wikipedia i guess. never heard of it
2022-02-24 14:16:41	masoudd	s/sy/at
2022-02-24 14:17:06	Abdullah	fbr = flashback recording videos (recorded on Windows)
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2022-02-24 14:17:40	socksinspace	maybe vlc knows what to do, but if ffmpeg has no clue i'm not sure anything can do it
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2022-02-24 14:18:25	Earnestly	Sometimes useful to check if the archivists have anything on such files
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2022-02-24 14:29:39	rcf	As far as I can tell nothing not on Windows supports it. 
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2022-02-24 15:30:00	Earnestly	That means we should be able to use argon for passwd
2022-02-24 15:30:08	Earnestly	or bcrypt at least
2022-02-24 15:30:56	Earnestly	It has yescrypt
2022-02-24 15:32:00	Edu4rdSHL	signal-desktop is not building as well because libcrypt.so.1 is not present anymore (was provided by glibc before)
2022-02-24 15:32:35	Earnestly	Edu4rdSHL: It needs libxcrypt
2022-02-24 15:32:40	Earnestly	(Which provides that)
2022-02-24 15:32:50	Earnestly	Well  .2
2022-02-24 15:32:53	Edu4rdSHL	Earnestly, but libxcrypt provides .2
2022-02-24 15:32:57	Edu4rdSHL	https://github.com/electron-userland/electron-builder-binaries/issues/47
2022-02-24 15:32:58	BrainDamage	libxcrypt-compat
2022-02-24 15:33:01	BrainDamage	in the aur
2022-02-24 15:34:47	Edu4rdSHL	BrainDamage, ooh, let me see if I can add this a makedepend on signal-desktop-beta
2022-02-24 15:34:55	Edu4rdSHL	and it will build *
2022-02-24 15:44:50	Earnestly	tfw scripting languages assume crypt() only has known set of methods
2022-02-24 15:45:00	Earnestly	And hardcode them in standard
2022-02-24 15:45:49	NoImNotNineVolt	how else to force deprecate available methods
2022-02-24 15:50:18	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-24 16:10:46	Earnestly	Time to see if I can still login
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2022-02-24 16:13:09	Earnestly	IT works
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2022-02-24 16:13:40	Earnestly	I decided to just make a simple frontend to crypt.3 instead, so now I can do: ./crypt '$y$' passphrase
2022-02-24 16:13:52	Earnestly	And edit /etc/shadow
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2022-02-24 16:14:01	Earnestly	So now I'm using yescrypt, I suppose
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2022-02-24 16:33:03	Earnestly	It's just s = crypt_gensalt("method", 0, 0, 0); // I.e. let it use defaults; h = crypt(passphrase, s); printf("%s\n", h);
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2022-02-24 16:53:26	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-24 23:50:07	tirnanog	iqubic: try using the tab key to complete the nick of whomsoever you are addressing. yes, it is commonly empty but you are free to create files within.
2022-02-24 23:50:48	tirnanog	oh, I see. it was probably a miscompletion.
2022-02-24 23:59:13	iqubic	tirnanog: Thanks. But I know neither what to name the file, nor what content to put in t.
2022-02-25 00:19:19	sheepy	hello! i was wondering if i could restrict access to one file. i was wondering if there is a good way of doing this. i want *nobody* to have access to modify the file, but anyone to have access to read it. i am thinking of letting root have access to it (like it always does), generating a random password for root, and locking it in the basement. then i would have a separate "psuedo-root" account
2022-02-25 00:19:19	sheepy	that is basically root but 
2022-02-25 00:19:20	sheepy	can't edit the file. is there an easier way of doing this?
2022-02-25 00:20:23	Scimmia	Make it immutable
2022-02-25 00:20:42	sheepy	i've tried that, but the problem is i can easily do a `chattr -i $FILE`
2022-02-25 00:21:16	sheepy	i could make it immutable and have root be the only one that could change the attrs, which is what i was thinking
2022-02-25 00:21:48	Scimmia	!give sheepy xyproblem
2022-02-25 00:21:48	phrik	sheepy: Tell us what you're REALLY trying to do. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
2022-02-25 00:22:28	tirnanog	iqubic: to begin with - and as mentioned in the article - use lsusb to identify the vendor and product IDs of your particular device.
2022-02-25 00:22:50	iqubic	I'll do that.
2022-02-25 00:22:58	sheepy	Scimmia: i'm trying to make a file readonly so that nobody can edit it
2022-02-25 00:23:01	iqubic	And then I'll figure out which command to run.
2022-02-25 00:23:08	tirnanog	iqubic: there will be shown as four-digit hexadecimal numbers, joined by a colon.
2022-02-25 00:23:11	tirnanog	these*
2022-02-25 00:23:31	iqubic	What do I do with those numbers?
2022-02-25 00:23:42	tirnanog	iqubic: fill in the idVendor and idProduct attributes of the sample rule.
2022-02-25 00:23:44	Scimmia	sheepy: no, you're trying to solve some problem by making a file readonly
2022-02-25 00:23:55	iqubic	What should the file name be?
2022-02-25 00:23:57	tirnanog	iqubic: and alter the RUN command so that it does the thing you want.
2022-02-25 00:24:04	Betal	sheepy: what is the problem using common chmod permissions? everyone can read but nobody can write, like most /etc files
2022-02-25 00:24:15	tirnanog	iqubic: 99-your-choice-of-name.rules
2022-02-25 00:24:23	CarloWood	sheepy: you could write a kernel module that adds a new /proc/file that can only be read. But root would still be able to remove the module and/or replace it with another.
2022-02-25 00:24:48	iqubic	Why 99? Is that the ID for webcam?
2022-02-25 00:24:53	Betal	CarloWood: why do this when he can create a simple file like any file in /etc
2022-02-25 00:25:10	tirnanog	iqubic: to ensure that it occurs later, if not last, owing to lexicographical sorting of all of the udev rules files.
2022-02-25 00:25:21	tirnanog	(which includes vendor-supplied rules)
2022-02-25 00:25:37	CarloWood	Betal: he wants it REALLLLY immutable, even for root :P
2022-02-25 00:25:43	tirnanog	iqubic: it's not an identifier for anything.
2022-02-25 00:26:00	tirnanog	iqubic: basically, 00 comes before 99.
2022-02-25 00:26:06	iqubic	I see.
2022-02-25 00:26:07	Betal	CarloWood: he didn't define that "i am thinking of letting root have access to it (like it always does)"
2022-02-25 00:26:32	tirnanog	iqubic: note, also, that $devnode will be filled in by udev automatically.
2022-02-25 00:26:43	sheepy	Betal: the problem is the file can still be changed by root. i'm fine with chmodding it so root can have access to it and then letting root be impossible to login too, and then having a "psuedo-root" that can't write to it
2022-02-25 00:26:58	sheepy	but the problem is: that seems like a workaround
2022-02-25 00:27:04	Scimmia	classic xyproblem
2022-02-25 00:27:14	Scimmia	you're trying to solve some issue in a screwy way
2022-02-25 00:27:18	sheepy	i agree
2022-02-25 00:27:27	CarloWood	Why is my memory so bad :(.  What is this thing called that you plug into an USB port that can, among other things, support remembering your passwords.
2022-02-25 00:27:43	CarloWood	I think it's a specific brand that makes those things
2022-02-25 00:28:15	fizz	CarloWood: Yubikey?
2022-02-25 00:28:19	CarloWood	ah yes
2022-02-25 00:28:31	CarloWood	Now tell me you're 20 so I don't feel THAT bad.
2022-02-25 00:28:46	Betal	sheepy: this makes no sense, or it does? what is the threat model for this? how are you going to make impossible to login as root? aren't you supose to be the unique to have root access?
2022-02-25 00:30:03	sheepy	Betal: threat model: i don't want anybody to change a file\nimpossible to login as root: give root a random password and delete it
2022-02-25 00:30:22	Betal	Scimmia: can't a readonly file system work for it? like nils mounting a snapshot
2022-02-25 00:30:24	CarloWood	sheepy: So, your requirement makes me think of this: https://www.yubico.com/  it is a hardware device that has the trait that NOBODY can access it's secret - not even while it is plugged in.  My intuition tells me that maybe it can be part of the solution that you seek.
2022-02-25 00:30:25	phrik	Title: Yubico | YubiKey Strong Two Factor Authentication (at www.yubico.com)
2022-02-25 00:30:27	thursdaylark	this is the cardinal sign of an xyproblem. this question isn't your problem, it's the solution to your actual problem, but you're not talking about *that* problem
2022-02-25 00:30:28	iqubic	tirnanog: Once I create the udev rule file, is there a command I need to run?
2022-02-25 00:30:40	sheepy	thurstylark: i agree
2022-02-25 00:30:48	iqubic	I'm an ignorant girl!!!
2022-02-25 00:31:15	Scimmia	Betal: root can always undo that
2022-02-25 00:31:15	thursdaylark	so how does achieving this goal benefit you?
2022-02-25 00:31:31	thursdaylark	what do you get out of this if you find what you're asking for?
2022-02-25 00:31:33	Scimmia	sheepy: if you're not going to tell us the actual goal, you're just wasting our time
2022-02-25 00:31:38	thursdaylark	^
2022-02-25 00:31:40	sheepy	alright, i'm sorry then
2022-02-25 00:31:42	thursdaylark	get to the good part
2022-02-25 00:31:43	Betal	Scimmia: I guess you mean root can delete the snapshot and change the mount in fstab?
2022-02-25 00:32:33	thursdaylark	wow, they're so deep they can't even talk about the real problem
2022-02-25 00:32:40	⚡ 	thursdaylark does not envy their therapist
2022-02-25 00:32:55	Betal	even pseudo-root don't works I think, any sudo/wheel user will have root powers, and can undo the change
2022-02-25 00:33:21	Scimmia	Boot from USB and mount the filesystem. Bam, full access
2022-02-25 00:33:31	CarloWood	Hopefull he's reading the website link I gave - or else I'm ignored again, as usual when I try to help someone :/.
2022-02-25 00:34:25	Scimmia	without knowing what they're actually trying to do, there's nothing we can do
2022-02-25 00:34:31	thursdaylark	sucks when your need to fix the problem is overridden by your need to make *your* solution work :/
2022-02-25 00:35:03	CarloWood	In the meantime I disabled imgui in my application: all imgui windows disappeared yay. Then enabled it again...  ... and... they are still gone.  Where are my imgui windows?
2022-02-25 00:35:32	Betal	Scimmia: with nils we can't really 'modify' the snapshot
2022-02-25 00:35:45	Betal	Scimmia: for booting form USB, maybe he will be using LUKS
2022-02-25 00:36:21	iqubic	Yeah. Sheepy isn't gonna be getting good help here.
2022-02-25 00:36:24	Scimmia	maybe, maybe, maybe
2022-02-25 00:36:42	Betal	and he is gone -_-, I missed the !prev
2022-02-25 00:38:03	iqubic	I may be an ignorant lady, but at least I know not to bring my xy problem in here. I don't yak shave.
2022-02-25 00:38:10	Scimmia	Betal: I'm not familiar with nils snapshots, but pretty much anything you can do, root can undo
2022-02-25 00:38:34	Scimmia	if nothing else, copy it, unmount, recreate?
2022-02-25 00:38:58	iqubic	What is there that root can't do?
2022-02-25 00:39:24	Scimmia	not much, mostly just kernel space stuff
2022-02-25 00:39:41	Betal	Scimmia: nils is an "append-only" file system, and it keep taking snapshots, we can pin/freeze some snapshots and mount then, and yes, we can unpin/delete the snapshot, modify current state and modify what we are going to mount
2022-02-25 00:40:39	jotoho	iqubic: I think killing the init process via signal SIGKILL is one of those few things root can't do. Not that there should be a good reason to do that.
2022-02-25 00:41:02	Scimmia	usually these questions are for things people don't want other processes modifying, like they want a static /etc/resolv.conf. Immutable is fine for that, but that's apparently not what was going on here
2022-02-25 00:41:04	iqubic	That's not something anyone should be doing.
2022-02-25 00:43:02	Betal	I don't understand why he want to protect the file from root, maybe the system have multiple person allowed to be root, but the thread model is already flawed if he can't rely in the others that have root access
2022-02-25 00:43:41	Betal	s/thread/threat
2022-02-25 00:44:02	thursdaylark	if you can't trust those you've given root access with the powers of root, then you shouldn't have given them root access.
2022-02-25 00:45:49	gehidore	I give everyone root
2022-02-25 00:46:00	thursdaylark	slut
2022-02-25 00:46:04	gehidore	all the time
2022-02-25 00:46:28	⚡ 	thursdaylark spreads rumors about gehidore's infection status
2022-02-25 00:47:35	socksinspace	the user could have used a cd to have a read only filesystem :D
2022-02-25 00:48:04	socksinspace	or a write protected floppy disk/sd card ;)
2022-02-25 00:48:22	thursdaylark	could flip the permanent ro bit in a sdcard
2022-02-25 00:49:07	Scimmia	socksinspace: then root copies the file, umounts the CD, and remakes the file
2022-02-25 00:50:24	iqubic	All users on my machine are in the wheel group.
2022-02-25 00:50:33	iqubic	I am a smart girl!!!
2022-02-25 00:50:48	iqubic	NB: It's a laptop that only I use!
2022-02-25 00:50:57	iqubic	There is only one user
2022-02-25 00:51:03	Scimmia	yep, not uncommon for a single user system
2022-02-25 00:51:09	thursdaylark	!test if it's wheels all the way down
2022-02-25 00:51:09	phrik	thursdaylark: Is that a question?
2022-02-25 00:51:16	thursdaylark	!check if it's wheels all the way down
2022-02-25 00:51:16	phrik	Testing if it's wheels all the way down: [PASS]
2022-02-25 00:51:20	thursdaylark	o no
2022-02-25 00:51:38	socksinspace	i sometimes wonder is there are even that many systems still with more than one user
2022-02-25 00:52:21	jotoho	iqubic: How can you be sure you're the only user? Maybe Santa breaks into your house each night only to watch golf on your laptop. :)
2022-02-25 00:52:21	socksinspace	*if
2022-02-25 00:53:08	socksinspace	damn, he would know just *how * naughty i am then
2022-02-25 00:53:32	BrainDamage	there's plenty of system users in a single human user computer tho
2022-02-25 00:54:23	iqubic	jotoho: In that case, santa will have seen the folder marked "NOT PORN" in my user's ~ folder.
2022-02-25 00:54:28	Scimmia	hmm, maybe that's it, they were trying to protect the file from their other personalities
2022-02-25 00:55:41	jotoho	Scimmia: Depending on if the personalities share memories, perhaps cloud storage with a password only one personality knows would have been the answer.
2022-02-25 01:03:18	socksinspace	nfs would work, just export the file read only, and boom, done
2022-02-25 01:05:49	Scimmia	again, copy, umount, recreate
2022-02-25 01:06:19	Scimmia	but it doesn't really matter anymore, so I'm going to stop now
2022-02-25 01:10:22	aephos	I'm new to Arch and have a simple question: does the base kernel package provide all kernel modules or do I need to build them myself? Specifically, my XBox controller is not working and modprobe xpad can't find a module.
2022-02-25 01:11:10	AlexC	xbox controller drivers are not part of the kernel
2022-02-25 01:11:15	Scimmia	aephos: it has a whole lot of modules, but there are some that don't live in the tree
2022-02-25 01:11:18	AlexC	it will work with wired mode
2022-02-25 01:11:30	AlexC	if you plugin the controller, will work, but not wireless
2022-02-25 01:11:46	aephos	I did plug it in. It shows up in lsusb, but doesn't work.
2022-02-25 01:12:02	aephos	On https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Gamepad, it says "Both the wired and wireless (with the Xbox 360 Wireless Receiver for Windows) controllers are supported by the xpad kernel module and should work without additional packages."
2022-02-25 01:12:26	aephos	I'm using a wired Xbox 360 controller.
2022-02-25 01:13:12	demonicmaniac1	define not work
2022-02-25 01:13:24	Scimmia	aephos: did you update the kernel but not reboot?
2022-02-25 01:13:35	demonicmaniac1	is it assigned as a hid device but not mapped for whatever you want to use it with?
2022-02-25 01:13:54	aephos	Not work in this case means all four LEDs are blinking and nothing seems to recognize it.
2022-02-25 01:14:07	aephos	There is no /dev/input device for it either.
2022-02-25 01:14:35	aephos	Scimmia: I don't think so, but that I can check (I might have run an update recently enough).
2022-02-25 01:14:52	Scimmia	!give aephos kernelcheck
2022-02-25 01:14:53	phrik	aephos: compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2022-02-25 01:15:06	Scimmia	the last one isn't that important
2022-02-25 01:15:20	demonicmaniac1	oh i just saw the modprobe xpad says module not found
2022-02-25 01:15:31	demonicmaniac1	kernel does contain xpad module. so it very much seems like what Scimmia said
2022-02-25 01:15:35	AlexC	yes
2022-02-25 01:15:36	aephos	Scimmia: Aha!
2022-02-25 01:15:38	AlexC	reboot and will work
2022-02-25 01:16:14	AlexC	if you have kernel update, always reboot your machine before start working something
2022-02-25 01:16:19	aephos	I must have run an update yesterday for a different reason and not noticed there was a new kernel version. Perhaps I should pay more attention to output of 'pacman -Syu'
2022-02-25 01:16:28	aephos	brb
2022-02-25 01:16:28	AlexC	good practise
2022-02-25 01:21:54	aephos	Thanks. It work perfectly now.
2022-02-25 01:23:16	AlexC	aephos, every time if you do a pacman -Syyu
2022-02-25 01:23:22	AlexC	just do a quick reboot
2022-02-25 01:23:28	AlexC	saves you a lot of headache
2022-02-25 01:23:30	AlexC	:D
2022-02-25 01:50:09	Betal	AlexC: I guess you mean -Syu, given we don't need -Syyu
2022-02-25 01:53:32	AlexC	whatever you update your system with
2022-02-25 01:53:34	AlexC	:)
2022-02-25 01:53:43	AlexC	i have just: upgrade
2022-02-25 01:53:46	AlexC	thats it
2022-02-25 02:47:59	switchnode	there are no other files in /usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/tests/, and based on my googling (especially https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14454744/does-it-make-sense-to-install-my-python-unit-tests-in-site-packages) it seems like both python packages _accidentally_ include a 'tests' module through the same oversight in setuptools configuration.
2022-02-25 02:48:00	phrik	Title: Does it make sense to install my Python unit tests in site-packages? - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
2022-02-25 02:48:03	switchnode	er.
2022-02-25 02:48:19	switchnode	that should have been preceded by:
2022-02-25 02:48:27	switchnode	while trying to install https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/python-spotdl, i ran into a 'conflicting files' error: /usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/tests/__init__.py (and its corresponding .pyc files) already exists and is owned by another python module (https://github.com/toddrob99/MLB-StatsAPI) i packaged for my own use (PKGBUILD http://ix.io/3QFq).
2022-02-25 02:50:58	switchnode	am i right in thinking that the correct way to address this is to take it upstream in both cases? if so, is there a good way to remove the offending files in the PKGBUILD, for the meantime?
2022-02-25 03:03:47	Edu4rdSHL	switchnode, contact the AUR maintainer to fix that. For deleting these files you can put a rm -rf "$pkgdir/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/tests/" in package() after running the install command.
2022-02-25 03:05:10	switchnode	Edu4rdSHL: thanks. the AUR maintainer, rather than the upstream maintainer?
2022-02-25 03:05:43	Edu4rdSHL	The upstream maintainer I mean
2022-02-25 03:05:52	Edu4rdSHL	Sorry
2022-02-25 03:06:28	switchnode	gotcha
2022-02-25 04:35:43	feinedsquirrel	The arch wiki article on python venvs mentions "bash" as an example for activation. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Python/Virtual_environment#Activation I've looked through the activation script, and though it seems it should be compatible with zsh, the top line says "This file must be used with "source bin/activate" *from bash*". The python docs suggest the activate script should be bash/zsh
2022-02-25 04:35:43	feinedsquirrel	..
2022-02-25 04:35:44	phrik	Title: Python/Virtual environment - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-25 04:36:26	feinedsquirrel	... compatible https://docs.python.org/3/library/venv.html (there is a table about 1/4 the way down). Was just wanting to know if anyone here can confirm if it is safe to run it directly from zsh?
2022-02-25 04:36:27	phrik	Title: venv — Creation of virtual environments — Python 3.10.2 documentation (at docs.python.org)
2022-02-25 04:40:01	Edu4rdSHL	feinedsquirrel, maybe ask in #python ?
2022-02-25 04:40:26	feinedsquirrel	good point. will do.
2022-02-25 04:53:05	feinedsquirrel	Edu4rdSHL:  in case you'd like to know, #python confirmed the default `activate` script "works with zsh just fine"
2022-02-25 04:55:30	Edu4rdSHL	Thank you :)
2022-02-25 04:57:10	feinedsquirrel	haha, sure thing! :D I knew you were also dying to know
2022-02-25 07:37:00	jayache80	I have a few arch boxes I only update every 3 months or so. Pretty much every time I update (pacman -Syu) I'll have key ring issues causing it to fail.
2022-02-25 07:37:25	jayache80	Of course, just run pacman -S archlinux-keyring, then do the -Syu again and I'm on my merry way
2022-02-25 07:37:52	jayache80	My question: why can't pacman be smart enough to do that for me? (I'm guessing there's a good reason)
2022-02-25 07:39:11	mpan	jayache80: because you are supposed to properly maintain your system, including updating often, and pacman is not a tool to remove breakage the administrator has themselves introduced.
2022-02-25 07:40:03	jayache80	so my quantum was 3 months, but can't that quantum be tiny, like days, or minutes, where the same keyring issue can occur?
2022-02-25 07:40:16	mpan	No
2022-02-25 07:41:03	thurstylark	there's been a heavier-than-normal churn in that keyring recently as well
2022-02-25 07:41:43	jayache80	Ok. what is the typical maximum amount of time one could go without updating before they'd expect that kind of issue?
2022-02-25 07:42:07	mpan	There is none specific, but I would not update more rarely than a week.
2022-02-25 07:42:14	mpan	once a week*
2022-02-25 07:42:22	mpan	Though for security reasons even that is risky.
2022-02-25 07:42:32	thurstylark	a month is usually when I'd really be looking out for things to break on update
2022-02-25 07:42:38	jayache80	gotcha.
2022-02-25 07:44:12	jayache80	How discouraged would it be to *always* do a partial package update of archlinux-keyring first? Something like: pacman -Sy; pacman -S archlinux-keyring; pacman -Syu
2022-02-25 07:44:38	thurstylark	I would only if you hit this issue
2022-02-25 07:45:26	thurstylark	not that I see anything particularly dangerous about it, it's not a good precedent to set paradigm-wise :P
2022-02-25 07:45:40	mpan	jayache80: also be aware that the proposal is making some assumptions that, while may be observed currently in common Arch installations, are not true in general for pacman. There is nothing that prevents other keyring packages from existing and offering other keys.
2022-02-25 07:48:57	jayache80	mpan and thursylark: thank you, I'll be better about updating :)
2022-02-25 08:02:22	mpan	jayache80: if you’re worried about having to deal with breakage too often (which doesn’t happen as often as people imagine), a better approach is to learn how to unbreak your system quickly. Rolling back — either manually or using ALA — is quite painless. And then you do not have worries anymore.
2022-02-25 08:03:39	jayache80	mpan: Thank you. I love breaking my system actually. One box ran out of disk space the other day mid-upgrade. That was fun to fix lol
2022-02-25 08:04:21	mpan	jayache80: postponing updates may cause trouble worse than simple “expected” issues. The news section of Arch website refers to the current affairs and is likely to not be true in 3 months. The other way around: after 3 months packages may already blindly assume you applied that news guidances 3 montsh earlier. Post-install/update are expecting reasonably current state of the system. Any bug
2022-02-25 08:04:21	mpan	reports 
2022-02-25 08:04:27	mpan	are about recent packages. And, finally, if something breaks… you will not get much help for a system 3 months old.
2022-02-25 08:04:51	mpan	And there are a few other options, that are possible — though I do not list them, as those are only theoretically possible.
2022-02-25 08:06:30	mpan	I don’t like breaking mine :D. But I learned it’s simply less stressful to be confident in ability to roll back than to avoid a situation in which the rollback may be required.
2022-02-25 08:09:34	jayache80	yes, the archive comes in handy big time. I set up btrfs to do snapshots but I never use them as nothing is critical. And any breakage (legitimate, or user error) has always been easy to fix
2022-02-25 09:54:19	tatsumaru	hey guys, I just installed tagspaces and now when I press ctrl+shift+p in firefox, if tagspaces is opened it hijacks this keybinding and instead of private browsing it loads shifts the tagspaces window into view because in tagspaces ctrl+shift+p is a keybinding for Pause / Resume Playback. Unfortunately keybinding settings don't include this shortcut so I am not sure how I can disable it. any
2022-02-25 09:54:19	tatsumaru	ideas?
2022-02-25 09:57:42	Khorne	Uninstall tagspaces
2022-02-25 09:57:59	tatsumaru	Khorne, I couldn't find an alternative
2022-02-25 09:58:08	Khorne	Patch tagspaces to make that binding configurable
2022-02-25 10:32:37	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-25 11:06:11	kefko	archlinux documentainers! I am trying a little byte with the diffrent cap(s), termcap, keycap etc. Hence, i study the archlinux wiki howtos about xmodmap, xkbcomp, keymaps and so on... Maybe you have an interest in an new howto to summarize about the possiblitys between keymap and keycap, termcap and terminfo, terminal and xwindow, editor and font etc
2022-02-25 11:07:15	kefko	then i would try to write a user friendly documentation about the current state of the keyboard handling in face of unicode. 
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2022-02-25 12:37:41	mpan	And so, the mystery remains unsolved.
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2022-02-25 13:45:26	ℹ 	xoan1 es conocido ahora como xoan
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2022-02-25 14:11:16	Khorne	Excellent observational skills
2022-02-25 14:22:45	frost-core	Hello!
2022-02-25 14:22:53	frost-core	i have an arch install right here
2022-02-25 14:23:00	frost-core	but something's not right
2022-02-25 14:23:10	frost-core	lxqt looks weird, i dont have a wallpaper
2022-02-25 14:32:41	teraflops	frost-core: maybe missing optional dependencies when installing lxqt?
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2022-02-25 15:14:50	f00	if youre not blind or heaviely visually impaired: sudo pacman -Rns orca
2022-02-25 15:15:06	TheArcaneBrony2	Me?
2022-02-25 15:15:22	red_	I use high contrast font and icons, size 64. I have perfect vision - I just like the style...
2022-02-25 15:15:23	jelle	f00: the orca package does not hurt anyone :p
2022-02-25 15:15:39	f00	TheArcaneBrony2, yes. search for gnome-session[24671]
2022-02-25 15:15:54	red_	Are you guys enjoyers of the thong song by sisko? 
2022-02-25 15:15:57	TheArcaneBrony2	f00: what? Where?
2022-02-25 15:15:59	f00	in the logs there is something wrong with orca but idk if that is the main problem you have (probably not)
2022-02-25 15:16:11	TheArcaneBrony2	I dont hace orca installed
2022-02-25 15:16:17	f00	in your http://ix.io/3QHJ
2022-02-25 15:16:26	Khorne	Doubt thats an issue
2022-02-25 15:16:34	TheArcaneBrony2	I do not have orca on my system
2022-02-25 15:16:50	Khorne	TheArcaneBrony2, does the behavior occur on an empty user profile? ie create a completely new user and login as that user
2022-02-25 15:17:15	f00	your gnome-session-binary wants to do something with it thou
2022-02-25 15:17:32	f00	many be install it then ^^
2022-02-25 15:18:22	CaTaCaS	Hello, what package can I use to add Arial font to LibreOffice in Arch?
2022-02-25 15:18:40	frost-core	CaTaCas : thats tricky
2022-02-25 15:18:48	Khorne	CaTaCaS, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Microsoft_fonts
2022-02-25 15:18:50	phrik	Title: Microsoft fonts - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-25 15:19:24	TheArcaneBrony2	Khorne: doesnt seem so
2022-02-25 15:19:45	frost-core	Also
2022-02-25 15:19:50	frost-core	how do i install zip
2022-02-25 15:19:58	Khorne	pacman -Ss zip
2022-02-25 15:20:04	f00	search your journald log for "error"
2022-02-25 15:20:16	f00	your chrome cordumped
2022-02-25 15:20:21	CaTaCaS	Thank you Khorne I I have not been able to find the right wiki :)
2022-02-25 15:20:32	TheArcaneBrony2	Any recommendations?
2022-02-25 15:20:38	TheArcaneBrony2	Aside startinf a new user
2022-02-25 15:20:39	Khorne	f00, I think that's caused by the shutdown of gdm
2022-02-25 15:20:40	f00	then there is something about XF86EmojiPicker
2022-02-25 15:20:52	f00	which yields lots of errors
2022-02-25 15:21:03	f00	the orca issue with gnome
2022-02-25 15:21:27	f00	and something about gsd-sharing
2022-02-25 15:22:09	f00	which lets "Process org.freedesktop.systemd1 exited with status 1
2022-02-25 15:22:09	f00	"
2022-02-25 15:22:20	shalokshalom	hi there
2022-02-25 15:22:38	shalokshalom	does anybody know here, what the login of the bootstrap is?
2022-02-25 15:22:47	shalokshalom	https://github.com/tokland/arch-bootstrap
2022-02-25 15:23:04	TheArcaneBrony2	f00: give me things to try
2022-02-25 15:23:37	Khorne	TheArcaneBrony2, reinstall everything
2022-02-25 15:23:48	Khorne	use something other than gnome and see if it persists
2022-02-25 15:23:54	f00	yea
2022-02-25 15:23:56	TheArcaneBrony2	Got a command for that?
2022-02-25 15:24:03	TheArcaneBrony2	Reinstling everythinf that us
2022-02-25 15:24:07	Scimmia	shalokshalom: ask the author, that's not from Arch and unsupported
2022-02-25 15:24:17	Khorne	TheArcaneBrony2, format all your drives, go through the installation guide
2022-02-25 15:24:23	f00	what loginmanager you use?
2022-02-25 15:24:31	shalokshalom	I did
2022-02-25 15:24:35	shalokshalom	no response
2022-02-25 15:24:40	shalokshalom	I thought someone here might know it
2022-02-25 15:24:42	TheArcaneBrony2	Khorne: i'd rather not if possible
2022-02-25 15:24:53	TheArcaneBrony2	f00: me? gdm
2022-02-25 15:24:53	Khorne	TheArcaneBrony2, see my other recommendation then..
2022-02-25 15:25:00	TheArcaneBrony2	How do i reinstall everything
2022-02-25 15:25:07	f00	TheArcaneBrony2, you could install xfce and start that from your loginmanager
2022-02-25 15:25:29	Scimmia	@give shalokshalom notarch
2022-02-25 15:25:42	Scimmia	!give shalokshalom notarch
2022-02-25 15:25:43	phrik	shalokshalom: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2022-02-25 15:26:05	TheArcaneBrony2	f00: trying cinnamon rn
2022-02-25 15:26:15	TheArcaneBrony2	Looking at a black screen
2022-02-25 15:26:53	Khorne	TheArcaneBrony2, also try the regular kernel and nouveau instead of nvidia I guess
2022-02-25 15:27:26	TheArcaneBrony2	Nvidia is for a headless display (laptop hybrid graphics)
2022-02-25 15:28:00	TheArcaneBrony2	Update: cinnamon seems to work fine
2022-02-25 15:28:36	f00	TheArcaneBrony2, what i also noticed in your journald logs is that just before your chrome crashed lots of bluetoothd messages
2022-02-25 15:29:50	frost-core	shalokshalom : it basically is pacstrap but for all distros
2022-02-25 15:29:59	TheArcaneBrony2	Cant reproduce the issue under Cinnamon, so essentially its just Gnome
2022-02-25 15:30:05	Khorne	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-02-25 15:30:21	f00	quit gnome
2022-02-25 15:30:31	TheArcaneBrony2	I wanna use gnome tho
2022-02-25 15:30:33	shalokshalom	thanks
2022-02-25 15:33:58	Khorne	...
2022-02-25 15:34:33	f00	idk brony, i use tiling wm
2022-02-25 15:35:48	f00	Khorne, you're really Tzeentch
2022-02-25 15:36:07	red_	f00: The closest you're going to get IMO is KDE plasma. if you want tacky, flashy, and easily customizable I guess
2022-02-25 15:36:15	red_	I used cinnamon, xfce, and mate. tried them all out.
2022-02-25 15:36:23	red_	out of the box, kde is very nice.
2022-02-25 15:36:48	red_	I'd personally now run xfce or a window manager combo when I install on a lightweight system
2022-02-25 15:37:20	red_	desktop environments and window managers are all very subjective
2022-02-25 15:37:29	red_	but you can customize the hell out of most of them
2022-02-25 15:37:57	red_	plasma is extremely customizable, you just have to spend time with it
2022-02-25 15:38:14	red_	certain themes, docks, add-ons will change the functionality/might not "play well" with other things 
2022-02-25 15:38:27	red_	so yeah you have to toy around with this stuff, sometimes it will get buggy
2022-02-25 15:39:21	f00	mate?
2022-02-25 15:44:59	red_	thearcanebrony: well that's base gnome lol
2022-02-25 15:45:27	red_	youtube "every desktop environment on linux" and feast your eyes. most of them look like shit IMO
2022-02-25 15:45:37	red_	stock, at least
2022-02-25 15:45:45	TheArcaneBrony3	Got disconnected again
2022-02-25 15:46:00	f00	logs
2022-02-25 15:46:02	TheArcaneBrony3	AndroIRC aint great
2022-02-25 15:46:22	red_	probably not androirc xD
2022-02-25 15:46:43	TheArcaneBrony3	Well it disconnects when i turn off my screen for 2 seconds xD
2022-02-25 15:47:07	red_	what
2022-02-25 15:47:21	TheArcaneBrony3	Im on my phone atm as imma grab a coffee
2022-02-25 15:49:12	TheArcaneBrony3	Finally
2022-02-25 16:01:09	TheArcaneBrony3	Oh cool
2022-02-25 16:01:26	TheArcaneBrony3	Tried to switxg to a tty, system froze mid reinstall
2022-02-25 16:01:37	red_	why can't you use gnome
2022-02-25 16:02:03	TheArcaneBrony3	Because my entire ui locks up whdn i xo anything
2022-02-25 16:03:53	TheArcaneBrony3	Ok then
2022-02-25 16:07:43	TheArcaneBrony3	My system froze from pacman, fun
2022-02-25 16:07:54	TheArcaneBrony3	Cant even switch ttys
2022-02-25 16:10:09	f00	post journalctl -b-1
2022-02-25 16:10:19	f00	after restart
2022-02-25 16:10:42	TheArcaneBrony3	I dont wanna risk rebootinf tho
2022-02-25 16:11:06	TheArcaneBrony3	Should i?
2022-02-25 16:11:30	f00	i would not put to mutch hope in that whole "reinstall everything" 
2022-02-25 16:12:12	f00	i think what was ment there was: format drives, then reinstall everything
2022-02-25 16:12:50	TheArcaneBrony3	And then xopy back all my data?
2022-02-25 16:12:55	TheArcaneBrony3	Sounds like a bad idea
2022-02-25 16:16:40	TheArcaneBrony3	Oh cool
2022-02-25 16:16:46	TheArcaneBrony3	Cinnamon dissapeared
2022-02-25 16:17:42	Scimmia	TheArcaneBrony3: have you checked if your drive is going bad? Memory?
2022-02-25 16:18:14	TheArcaneBrony3	No errors
2022-02-25 16:18:21	TheArcaneBrony3	Last i checked
2022-02-25 16:22:41	f00	i guess it's time to uninstall gnome packages and gdm
2022-02-25 16:24:09	TheArcaneBrony3	Lets do another reinstall everythinf
2022-02-25 16:26:41	Scimmia	lock up with high io, cinnamon gone, it really sounds like the drive is having problems
2022-02-25 16:27:13	TheArcaneBrony3	Prob was mid reinstall of cinnamon tbh
2022-02-25 16:27:17	TheArcaneBrony3	As i rebooted
2022-02-25 16:31:38	frost	hey arches
2022-02-25 16:31:43	frost	i need help
2022-02-25 16:31:49	frost	with aur package "plymouth"
2022-02-25 16:31:52	frost	it wont compile
2022-02-25 16:32:30	frost	http://paste.debian.net/1232226/
2022-02-25 16:32:35	phrik	Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)
2022-02-25 16:34:47	f00	pacman -Qi libpng | grep Ver
2022-02-25 16:35:55	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-25 16:36:30	f00	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/plymouth read comments
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2022-02-25 16:37:32	frost	Version         : 1.6.37-3
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2022-02-25 16:41:05	mon0theist	ThinkPad E595 KDE Plasma - closing lid no longer puts laptop to sleep, can't find anything in KDE settings regarding closing the lid, has been working up until yesterday. Anyone else getting this?
2022-02-25 16:41:42	MacGyver	Did you do anything between yesterday and today?
2022-02-25 16:41:48	MacGyver	Such as upgrading the system?
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2022-02-25 16:42:50	f00	frost, https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/plymouth-git#comment-761074
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2022-02-25 16:43:53	frost	im installing the other package
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2022-02-25 16:44:02	ℹ 	frost es conocido ahora como frost-core
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2022-02-25 16:54:02	obby	hello
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2022-02-25 16:54:13	frost-core	if anybody's encountering this issue, then type sudo pacman -S base-devel
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2022-02-25 16:54:18	frost-core	then install the package again
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2022-02-25 16:54:27	obby	i found my server randomly offline and booted it up
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2022-02-25 16:54:38	Khorne	base-devel is an implicit requirement for using the AUR :')
2022-02-25 16:54:44	Edu4rdSHL	base-devel is assumed installed when building packages :shrug:
2022-02-25 16:54:49	obby	and it seems the networking is busted nomw
2022-02-25 16:54:52	obby	now
2022-02-25 16:55:11	obby	when i run ip link or ifconfig my local loopback adapter is theonly thing that comes up not my actual ethernet connection
2022-02-25 16:55:15	obby	any tips?
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2022-02-25 16:55:37	Scimmia	obby: what adapter?
2022-02-25 16:55:38	frost-core	Khrone : reinstall i meant
2022-02-25 16:55:59	Khorne	forst-core, reinstall what?
2022-02-25 16:56:08	f00	[16:41:34]
2022-02-25 16:56:10	obby	Scimmia: like u know when u run ifconfig
2022-02-25 16:56:14	frost-core	Khrone : base-devel
2022-02-25 16:56:18	obby	you get results for "lo" and like "enp4s0" for example
2022-02-25 16:56:23	obby	i only get results for "lo"
2022-02-25 16:56:30	Scimmia	obby: I mean what model
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2022-02-25 16:56:43	obby	no idea its a integrated chip on my mobo
2022-02-25 16:57:02	obby	its a intel 6th gen board
2022-02-25 16:57:28	obby	sticker says Intel Gigabit on it
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2022-02-25 16:57:51	Scimmia	so that should be included in the kernel and the firmware should be in linux-firmware
2022-02-25 16:58:01	Scimmia	!give obby kernelcheck
2022-02-25 16:58:01	phrik	obby: compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2022-02-25 16:58:47	agentlaidlaw	lspci | grep -i ethernet could show you what ethernet adpaters you hve
2022-02-25 16:58:54	frost-core	i see
2022-02-25 16:58:59	frost-core	a missing command
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2022-02-25 16:59:05	f00	obby did u try a livesystem or other os to see if your ethernet chip is not broken? i have same problem on my old thinkpad
2022-02-25 16:59:12	obby	phrik: i think this is my problem
2022-02-25 16:59:13	phrik	obby: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
2022-02-25 16:59:19	frost-core	set-default-plymouth-theme
2022-02-25 16:59:22	obby	oops Scimmia 
2022-02-25 16:59:23	frost-core	how can i get that
2022-02-25 16:59:36	obby	i think the kerenl thing is my problem i think i know how to fix it ill be back pretty quick if i fail
2022-02-25 16:59:37	obby	lol
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2022-02-25 16:59:51	Khorne	frost-core, just read the damn wiki https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/plymouth
2022-02-25 16:59:52	phrik	Title: Plymouth - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-25 17:00:10	Khorne	If it isn't in the plymouth package you installed, it isn't supplied anymore
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2022-02-25 17:00:57	frost-core	oh its different in arch
2022-02-25 17:00:57	ℹ 	Tazmainian es conocido ahora como Tazy
2022-02-25 17:02:18	Khorne	Well, since plymouth isn't technically supplied by Arch it is whatever the maintainer of the user supplied package plymouth-git wants it to be, in this case like upstream plymouth
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2022-02-25 17:05:29	frost-core	thankx
2022-02-25 17:05:31	frost-core	it works
2022-02-25 17:05:34	frost-core	as intended
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2022-02-25 17:10:38	mon0theist	MacGyver: yeah I check for updates like every day lol but I have no idea what update might've caused the problem
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2022-02-25 17:27:30	mattf	what is the deal with lxc that in some systems you have lxc-<command> and on others you have just "lxc"
2022-02-25 17:28:14	Khorne	mattf, distributions package them differently or include a wrapper
2022-02-25 17:28:20	mattf	i see
2022-02-25 17:28:30	mattf	well i don't have lxc-import on arch
2022-02-25 17:28:40	mattf	on other systems there is: lxc import
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2022-02-25 17:30:18	Khorne	mattf, lxc image import?
2022-02-25 17:30:21	lmat	I'm having a little trouble with monitor identification: https://imgur.com/a/LYQ1pYu I'm running XFCE. It identifies my left monitor as 22" which sounds about right, but the right one is not 7", it's about the same DPI as the left one, so it should be a bit bigger than 22". How do I adjust this?
2022-02-25 17:30:22	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2022-02-25 17:30:30	emanuele6	yay, the socat package finally got updated \o/ thank you :)
2022-02-25 17:30:37	mattf	Khorne: there is no lxc command, there are the lxc-<commands>
2022-02-25 17:30:44	mattf	i think lxc-start can do it btw
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2022-02-25 17:31:14	Khorne	mattf, are you looking for LXD instead of lxc?
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2022-02-25 17:31:30	mattf	lxc
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2022-02-25 17:33:37	Khorne	I mean LXD uses LXC under the hood and confusingly also provides a `lxc` executable
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2022-02-25 17:35:26	TheArcaneBrony3	Tesr
2022-02-25 17:35:31	mattf	Khorne: oh damn, that might be i was using lxd before then
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2022-02-25 17:35:45	TheArcaneBrony3	Question: how can i run all the post-install hooks?
2022-02-25 17:36:00	TheArcaneBrony3	My system powered off in the middle of postinstall
2022-02-25 17:36:03	Khorne	mattf, it's at least not impossible and not very obvious I guess
2022-02-25 17:36:14	Khorne	TheArcaneBrony3, maybe you should wonder why your system powers off every 30minutes
2022-02-25 17:36:38	TheArcaneBrony3	Becauze it ran out od battery coz i had to move out of the classroom
2022-02-25 17:36:41	lmat	Tharre: ouch.
2022-02-25 17:36:47	Khorne	zzz
2022-02-25 17:36:48	TheArcaneBrony3	And the socket i plugged into was turned lff
2022-02-25 17:37:18	lmat	TheArcaneBrony3: You're in a building with a classroom that has a socket turned off...Interesting.
2022-02-25 17:37:27	TheArcaneBrony3	The clSsroom had power
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2022-02-25 17:37:42	TheArcaneBrony3	The outlet next to the stairs didnt
2022-02-25 17:37:46	Khorne	Maybe you should delay trying to fix this mess you are creating for when you actually have time to do it properly
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2022-02-25 17:37:58	TheArcaneBrony3	I have power now
2022-02-25 17:38:13	TheArcaneBrony3	Im on the train, i have an hour
2022-02-25 17:38:13	Khorne	Reinstall everything again, seems like the sanest solution to run all the hooks at the proper time
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2022-02-25 17:40:32	TheArcaneBrony3	Hm
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2022-02-25 17:40:44	TheArcaneBrony3	So i guess theres no way to manually run em?
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2022-02-25 17:44:14	Khorne	Not unless you want to inspect every package that was installing whether it has hooks or not
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2022-02-26 05:25:31	mpan	Just warning, as that behaviour is quite unexexpected for things that normally do not care about exensions and may be a bit confusing.
2022-02-26 05:56:24	noobaroo	mpan: I just created an .tar.zst archive with file-roller, but then file-roller doesn't recognize it to extract it. Until I change the extension to .tar.xz. Very weird since it's the thing that created it in the first place
2022-02-26 05:57:27	mpan	noobaroo: yeah, or Arch’s database files (.db), which it will open, but then fail to process. Just giving a warning, as that’s something that is unexpected and confusing.
2022-02-26 06:00:38	xecuter	$ vainfo ---->>>> vaInitialize failed with error code -1 (unknown libva error),exit  ;-((((
2022-02-26 06:17:00	xecuter	$ dissenter-browser --no-sandbox --disable-gpu   <-- this works now. :-/
2022-02-26 07:57:12	agentlaidlaw	plugins.var.perl.colorize_lines.hightlight on
2022-02-26 07:57:21	agentlaidlaw	whoops
2022-02-26 08:23:10	Strykar	The wiki page for acme.sh just states that "The certs will be renewed automatically every 60 days." But acme.sh does not ship with a systemd unit, how is it going to renew certs?
2022-02-26 08:26:14	dmc	dehydrated ftw
2022-02-26 08:26:50	dmc	it installed a rootkit that will update all certs for you
2022-02-26 08:28:29	bookworm	Strykar: cron
2022-02-26 08:28:39	bookworm	the old fashioned way 
2022-02-26 08:28:58	bookworm	also it's a bash script, so just skim it
2022-02-26 08:30:23	mpan	Strykar: https://github.com/acmesh-official/acme.sh/wiki/Using-systemd-units-instead-of-cron
2022-02-26 08:30:33	mpan	The Wiki is indeed unclear, it seems.
2022-02-26 08:31:26	mpan	What it means, I believe, is that *IF RUN* it will renew each 60 days. But it still must be run.
2022-02-26 08:31:52	jmariondev	looks like it tries to write a cron entry when you use it. if you don't have a cron daemon you'll get a warning: https://github.com/acmesh-official/acme.sh/blob/master/acme.sh#L5747-L5749
2022-02-26 08:32:29	bookworm	why the heck you'd want a cert thing in bash is beyond me though 
2022-02-26 08:32:57	bookworm	the amount of people who can write >5k lines of bash without messing up approaches 0
2022-02-26 08:33:13	Warepire	I feel that at 7.5k lines, it is 0.
2022-02-26 08:33:17	jmariondev	bash is portable as fuck though
2022-02-26 08:33:33	jmariondev	plenty of arch linux revolves around shell scripts
2022-02-26 08:34:14	Warepire	shell scripts are not necessarily bad, only when they reach critical mass.
2022-02-26 08:34:14	Strykar	jmariondev: it does not throw a warning sadly, I'll update the wiki with an example timer
2022-02-26 08:34:39	bookworm	do you have a cron daemon installed? Strykar 
2022-02-26 08:34:51	bookworm	because if you do you wouldn't get a warning 
2022-02-26 08:35:23	Strykar	that's just backward tho isn't it, it should warn me if the only way to auto renew certs failed for whatever reason
2022-02-26 08:35:43	bookworm	it will, via output and exit status of the script 
2022-02-26 08:35:52	Strykar	it did not
2022-02-26 08:35:54	bookworm	cron will deliver that to a mail spool
2022-02-26 08:36:04	mpan	You have systemd…
2022-02-26 08:36:05	bookworm	so, did you look at that mail spool?
2022-02-26 08:36:11	jmariondev	is `cronie` part of `base` ?
2022-02-26 08:36:12	Strykar	no, checking
2022-02-26 08:36:21	jmariondev	if not, should cronie perhaps be a optional dependency of `acme.sh` ?
2022-02-26 08:36:23	bookworm	no, no cron daemon is in base
2022-02-26 08:36:24	dmc	>just skim a ~3k line script
2022-02-26 08:36:49	mpan	dmc: just write a bash script to skim over anotherb ash script. ;)
2022-02-26 08:36:54	jmariondev	dmc: Ctrl+F "cron"
2022-02-26 08:37:00	bookworm	dmc: the only ways to repeatedly start oneself is to never terminate or hook into cron
2022-02-26 08:37:12	bookworm	(or systemd timers)
2022-02-26 08:37:23	bookworm	so C-f cron <enter>
2022-02-26 08:37:50	dmc	dehydrated is also quite long iirc but at least goes for a more modular approach
2022-02-26 08:38:36	dmc	holy hell 7661 lines for acme.sh
2022-02-26 08:38:55	dmc	 7661 lines (6771 sloc)
2022-02-26 08:39:19	dmc	https://github.com/dehydrated-io/dehydrated/blob/master/dehydrated
2022-02-26 08:39:25	dmc	2349 lines (2057 sloc)
2022-02-26 08:39:39	mpan	… and a short systemd unit and timer available from the upstream GH.
2022-02-26 08:40:02	dmc	I've ashamedly never gotten around to automating dehydrated
2022-02-26 08:40:50	dmc	need to migrate to a different DNS provider or let namecheap hold on to $50 in order to do so
2022-02-26 08:54:41	Strykar	mpan: thanks for the wiki update, I wonder why the linked official example still uses --cron
2022-02-26 08:58:29	mpan	Strykar: because that’s an option that is built in and works with any cron implementation. But since on systemd is available on Arch and the upstream offers a unit for it, I see no reason to not use that as a clarification, instead of searching and testing how to set up that in cron.
2022-02-26 08:58:43	mpan	*since systemd is available on Arch
2022-02-26 08:59:03	bookworm	cron used to work everywhere, it's mandated by posix
2022-02-26 08:59:32	bookworm	and you have to remember the gentoo folks and deuvan and the likes (for the official docs, not the Arch Wiki)
2022-02-26 09:01:06	Strykar	mpan: what is the logic of having --cron in the example at https://github.com/acmesh-official/acme.sh/wiki/Using-systemd-units-instead-of-cron
2022-02-26 09:01:17	Strykar	it's literally for systems not using cron
2022-02-26 09:01:29	mpan	Basically: both are valid solutions. The difference *on Arch* is that systemd is already mandated on Arch (cron is not) and Arch stuff in general is already very systemdish.
2022-02-26 09:01:47	mpan	Strykar: because they document such a possibility.
2022-02-26 09:02:05	Strykar	in the example that does not use cron? so weird
2022-02-26 09:02:23	mpan	Strykar: oh, you mean the --cron switch? Probably that’s how the script knows it’s running in a timer fashion.
2022-02-26 09:02:57	Strykar	help says: --cron                   Run cron job to renew all the certs.
2022-02-26 09:03:34	Strykar	I think this switch is what makes it clearer: --no-cron                         Only valid for '--install' command, which means: do not install the default cron job.
2022-02-26 09:04:10	jmariondev	where would i make the suggestion to make cronie an optdepend of that package?
2022-02-26 09:04:13	Edu4rdSHL	Getting used to Arch is like getting used to the Apple garden: you will never leave it >.<
2022-02-26 09:04:54	Strykar	why would you add cron to an arch package after Arch has moved to systemd, the wiki should be clearer about it at most
2022-02-26 09:05:02	mpan	Strykar: yes, interpret that as “run timer job”. See the source linked earlier by jmariondev. `--cron` tells acme.sh how to run, not use cron itself.
2022-02-26 09:05:34	mpan	Strykar: what cron? acme.sh is not maintained by Arch.
2022-02-26 09:05:45	mpan	I mean: the script itself is not produced by Arch.
2022-02-26 09:05:47	jmariondev	i'm not suggesting making it a dependency, i'm suggesting making it a suggestion when you install it
2022-02-26 09:06:02	jmariondev	since it looks like acme.sh doesn't natively support systemd timers
2022-02-26 09:06:17	mpan	Strykar: oh, ignore that las one. I missed jmariondev message.
2022-02-26 09:06:52	Strykar	mpan: looking at those lines in the source, it checks for cron being installed, else fails. anyways, this is a discussion for that project, not arch, thanks all
2022-02-26 09:06:56	mpan	jmariondev: you open a feature request for the package in the Arch bug tracker.
2022-02-26 09:07:06	mpan	Strykar: but for --install-cron, not for --cron.
2022-02-26 09:07:30	mpan	It adds lines *with --cron* if it’s being installed.
2022-02-26 09:08:01	Strykar	crap, so --cron is correct even inside a systemd unit?
2022-02-26 09:09:01	⚡ 	Strykar creates a PR adding even more lines to acme.sh but now can create it's own systemd unit and timer :p
2022-02-26 09:10:04	mpan	Strykar: yes, it seems to be used to tell acme.sh how it is being run. Not to configure cron.
2022-02-26 09:10:45	mpan	From what I see while skimming over the source and judging by how it is being used, a more accurate name for it would be `--started-from-timer`. :)
2022-02-26 09:13:21	jmariondev	mpan: ty, will do
2022-02-26 09:21:25	aiyion	dmesg -w
2022-02-26 09:26:06	Strykar	mpan: aye, it is confusing af
2022-02-26 09:27:01	norbert	Strykar: cron has still it's valid use-cases. I think generating a service file and a timer for each cron job I want, I honestly prefer adding a single line in my crontab. That is not to say that system timers are bad, but not really the solution for everything. And the are much more burdensome then crontab lines.
2022-02-26 09:29:45	mkoskar	Strykar: one reason to use cron (cronie/fcron) might be that it handles mailing by default, if you want the same with system timers you would need a bit extra effort, there are different approaches to it, e.g., extra onshot service that mails status on failure, but just writing a simple wrapper to might do better
2022-02-26 09:30:59	mkoskar	*oneshot
2022-02-26 09:34:27	mpan	norbert: for ad-hoc things you have `systemd-run`.
2022-02-26 09:35:23	TheDcoder	Hi, I have a copy of an ancient video CD in the bin+cue format, I can play the video with mpv too. But I can't find a way to transcode the video into a modern format like h256, Handbrake doesn't accept the file
2022-02-26 09:35:26	TheDcoder	any ideas?
2022-02-26 09:35:40	TheDcoder	mpv says the video is mpeg1 format
2022-02-26 09:40:13	NetSysFire	cant you just ffmpeg -i oldfile new.mp4
2022-02-26 09:40:29	NetSysFire	if mpv can read the file, ffmpeg can too
2022-02-26 09:41:07	TheDcoder	NetSysFire: ffprobe doesn't work
2022-02-26 09:41:16	NetSysFire	!doesntwork
2022-02-26 09:41:17	phrik	What do you mean it doesn't work? If there's an error, *tell us*. If it's more than two lines, see !paste.
2022-02-26 09:41:29	TheDcoder	Looks like I can use CDemu to actually mount the disc, so I'll try that
2022-02-26 09:41:46	TheDcoder	NetSysFire: It doesn't detect any media inside the file, says the format is invalid
2022-02-26 09:42:00	NetSysFire	what does /usr/bin/file say?
2022-02-26 09:42:06	NetSysFire	when you run file on the file
2022-02-26 09:42:15	TheDcoder	data
2022-02-26 09:42:42	Abdullah	so I wrote this snippet in my sxhkdrc but isn't working as expected. https://gist.github.com/3b885e1242e394d8ffbd607858479b80
2022-02-26 09:47:28	mkoskar	Abdullah: in a shell script there shouldn't be ";" after "then" and "else"
2022-02-26 09:48:48	Abdullah	mkoskar: it isn't just a script. It is sxhkdrc 
2022-02-26 09:49:21	Abdullah	if I don't add ";", sxhkd would think, job is done
2022-02-26 09:49:39	Abdullah	and won't work on else part
2022-02-26 09:51:17	mkoskar	did you remove \ too? I didn't say remove whole ;\
2022-02-26 09:52:16	Abdullah	lemme check after removing \
2022-02-26 09:53:08	Abdullah	didn't work either
2022-02-26 09:54:07	mpan	TheDcoder: since that’s a CUE/BIN image, you may need to first extract video data using the information in CUE.
2022-02-26 09:54:30	mpan	TheDcoder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue_sheet_(computing)#Essential_commands
2022-02-26 09:54:32	phrik	Title: Cue sheet (computing) - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2022-02-26 09:55:13	mpan	TheDcoder: see <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/CUE_Splitting>, though I do not know how well it works with VideoCDs.
2022-02-26 09:55:15	phrik	Title: CUE Splitting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-26 09:55:38	mpan	https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/bchunk/
2022-02-26 09:55:39	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - bchunk 1.2.2-7 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-02-26 09:56:06	mkoskar	Abdullah: no, "\" should stay obviously, idk whether you can embed in sxhkd config like that but I'm just saying in shell (which sxhkd eventually executes there is no ; after "then" and "else")
2022-02-26 09:56:20	TheDcoder	mpan: Thanks, I already tried bchunk and the resulting iso doesn't seem to be usable :-/
2022-02-26 09:57:17	mpan	Doesn’t seem to be usable in ffmpeg or for playing?
2022-02-26 09:57:33	TheDcoder	mpan: ...for anything
2022-02-26 09:57:51	mpan	Then no idea. :/
2022-02-26 09:58:14	TheDcoder	it produces two ISO images, the first one is mountable and I can see some files inside it
2022-02-26 09:58:21	TheDcoder	the second one is binary data
2022-02-26 09:58:32	mpan	The second one, with binary data, is the audio-video stream.
2022-02-26 09:58:43	mpan	Though… what is on the mountable part?
2022-02-26 09:58:57	TheDcoder	you are right! ffprobe detects 2 audio streams
2022-02-26 09:59:01	TheDcoder	but it's not playable
2022-02-26 09:59:15	TheDcoder	(this is the 2nd binary file)
2022-02-26 09:59:16	mpan	It doesn’t matter if something can’t play it. You want to convert it, not play it.
2022-02-26 09:59:22	mpan	But what is in the mountable thing?
2022-02-26 09:59:51	TheDcoder	looks like important metadata
2022-02-26 10:00:10	mpan	Only metadata? The size of the first image doesn’t indicate it may contain video data?
2022-02-26 10:00:54	TheDcoder	mpan: No, it's only 2MB
2022-02-26 10:00:55	susi	Abdullah: try removing all ";\":s, they all seem redundant
2022-02-26 10:01:23	mpan	TheDcoder: the second image has size that would be suitable for video? The “audio tracks”: does anything suggest one of them could be video?
2022-02-26 10:02:00	TheDcoder	mpan: Yes! I think it has both audio and video, pretty sure ffprobe is just confused about video and labelled it as audio
2022-02-26 10:02:14	TheDcoder	There are also errors and warnings in the output naturally
2022-02-26 10:02:53	susi	Abdullah: "if I don't add ; sxhkd would thin, job is done" oh, nvm
2022-02-26 10:03:08	mpan	TheDcoder: that may be something different. There is also a possibility that ffprobe is not showing all the streams, because it stops scanning early.
2022-02-26 10:03:50	TheDcoder	mpan: right... but the thing is, mpv can play the raw bin file with both audio and video
2022-02-26 10:04:03	TheDcoder	it is able to detect both of those streams properly
2022-02-26 10:04:08	susi	Abdullah: could you try replacing them with &&'s
2022-02-26 10:04:49	TheDcoder	the only issue is that it can't find the right duration for the media and I can't resume after pause
2022-02-26 10:05:03	TheDcoder	also no seeking :)
2022-02-26 10:06:13	TheDcoder	disregard my previous comment about playback issues, that's my own mistake
2022-02-26 10:06:22	TheDcoder	I can seek, pause and play
2022-02-26 10:06:34	TheDcoder	so it seems only the duration is not properly working
2022-02-26 10:11:06	mpan	TheDcoder: see the `probesize` and `analyzeduration` options, try playing with them.
2022-02-26 10:11:21	mpan	I mean: for `ffprobe`. And try forcing it to scan as much as possible. It may take a while, tho.
2022-02-26 10:12:14	TheDcoder	mpan: thanks for the advice, I'll try that. I also have another idea as I just found out that VLC can play the BIN file too, VLC has an option to convert the video into a different format and I might be able to use that for transcoding :)
2022-02-26 10:13:33	mpan	TheDcoder: I was thinking about VLC transcoding too, but the problem is you have little control over the format. Unless you can force it to dump raw data in the stream (not transcode!) options.
2022-02-26 10:14:29	mkoskar	Abdullah: this is what I meant https://0x0.st/oKYD.txt it works too, sxhkd handles line continuations and what remains has to be valid shell
2022-02-26 10:16:00	Abdullah	mkoskar: I'm going to put all this snippet in some other script and then ask sxhkd to run that script
2022-02-26 10:24:58	Abdullah	mkoskar: susi http://ix.io/3QN0 
2022-02-26 10:25:51	Abdullah	came up with this snippet and added this line in sxhkdrc. https://gist.github.com/29872c907f1d7bb2acf6d91ea78f3f32
2022-02-26 10:30:39	Abdullah	https://github.com/Awan/cfg/commit/3d25ae74027fa90b21d96d7a5a4c5f1dfb2fe41f 
2022-02-26 10:30:51	mpan	TheDcoder: if you manage to do it with ffmpeg, share the info, thanks. :)
2022-02-26 10:34:51	norbert	mpan: but that is not a solution for something I want to run every 3min or so, a typical cron job. With timers you need a service and a timer file, lots of overhead compared to one single line with a clear format.
2022-02-26 10:50:10	raster	o/
2022-02-26 10:51:18	susi	can I ask why's there both 80793 & 80794 under this slice: https://0x0.st/oKgr.txt
2022-02-26 10:52:07	sheep	probably because it's two processes
2022-02-26 10:52:35	susi	but why it's two processes, that's the question
2022-02-26 10:53:01	sheep	what does the script do, and what is in the service unit?
2022-02-26 10:53:19	raster	read the service file and shell script and find out
2022-02-26 10:53:29	susi	this is the service unit https://0x0.st/oKgi.txt
2022-02-26 10:53:54	susi	script checks /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/energy_now isn't below threshold
2022-02-26 10:53:57	sheep	it's also triggered by a timer, but I'm not sure if systemd would restart a timer's service if the timer elapses while the previous elapsing's instance of the service is running
2022-02-26 10:57:42	susi	that shouldn't ever be the case, that two of them would run concurrently
2022-02-26 11:01:28	lambda	susi: show the shell script
2022-02-26 11:04:19	susi	https://0x0.st/oKgK.txt (the script)
2022-02-26 11:07:18	sheep	I'm not sure if bash uses a forked process for evaluating $()
2022-02-26 11:08:40	lambda	it has to fork, but I think it immediately goes to exec'ing the command
2022-02-26 11:29:00	mkoskar	lambda: $() can contain compound command, so no it can just exec it, runs in a subshell
2022-02-26 11:29:06	mkoskar	*can't
2022-02-26 11:29:53	mkoskar	and $(cat ...) can be conveniently replaced by $(<...)
2022-02-26 11:31:21	mkoskar	well considering susi considers it bash script, which he might because I see [[ ... ]] in there although it's a mix :|
2022-02-26 11:31:35	mkoskar	s/considering/assuming
2022-02-26 11:35:57	olj	hi everyone
2022-02-26 11:39:09	olj	i'm looking for help with my arch/xorg/kodi/moonlight system: after some time rather randomly my screen goes black and tv says that hdmi is disconnected. xset -display :0.0 dpms force on does turn screen back on but it's really annoying as it goes black and then on again after like 10 minutes. i also have xset dpms 0 0 0 in my crontab but still no
2022-02-26 11:39:09	olj	luck
2022-02-26 11:43:01	susi	mkoskar: yeah, should get rid of that =~, but how's that a mix?
2022-02-26 11:45:54	mkoskar	yep I meant [[ vs [
2022-02-26 11:46:09	susi	[ -z "${status##Dis*}" ] perhaps
2022-02-26 11:46:27	susi	=~ needed [[ ]]
2022-02-26 11:46:59	susi	at least when used that way
2022-02-26 11:49:13	susi	now that you mentiond it, I'm gonna replace that [[ =~ ]] with [ -z "${status##Dis*}" ]
2022-02-26 11:49:26	mkoskar	sure, but since #! is not visible I didn't want to presume bash or posix, ye that might work, -z/-n can be dropped imo, or online case var in dis*) would do too
2022-02-26 11:49:47	mkoskar	*oneline
2022-02-26 11:50:09	susi	ah, I misunderstood what you were saying, sorry
2022-02-26 11:53:35	susi	hmm, that -z thingie isn't working in bash, but works in zsh
2022-02-26 11:54:02	susi	oh, there was a typo
2022-02-26 11:57:40	TheDcoder	mpan: VLC worked, it was able to convert the files into normal MP4 :)
2022-02-26 11:58:35	mpan	TheDcoder: by dumping the stream or transcoding it?
2022-02-26 11:59:52	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-26 12:25:58	tirnanog	susi: the way you use the lock file isn't valid by the way; it's intrinsically subject to TOCTOU races. util-linux provides flock(1), which is a very convenient wrapper around the flock syscall.
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2022-02-26 12:27:32	tirnanog	susi: exec 9>"$lock"; flock -n 9 || exit 0 # an instance is already running
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2022-02-26 12:30:16	godSend23	to install on a microserver, can i select either scsi disk?
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2022-02-26 12:31:51	MrElendig	sure
2022-02-26 12:32:01	jmariondev	doesn't the microserver have 4 disks?
2022-02-26 12:32:10	godSend23	i have 2 - 2tbs
2022-02-26 12:32:21	godSend23	base on the guided partitioning
2022-02-26 12:32:29	MrElendig	I hope you mean sas btw
2022-02-26 12:32:35	MrElendig	and not actual old school scsi
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2022-02-26 12:32:59	godSend23	hmm
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2022-02-26 12:33:54	godSend23	oh man... idk
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2022-02-26 12:34:35	sheep	if it's using UEFI then it almost certainly can boot from either disk
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2022-02-26 12:35:04	MrElendig	why would you not raid them though?
2022-02-26 12:35:08	jmariondev	what generation is your microserver?
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2022-02-26 12:35:14	jmariondev	the microserver comes with a raid controller yeah
2022-02-26 12:35:22	godSend23	i didn't force UEFI sheep b/c i think the proliant came w/ BIOS oses?
2022-02-26 12:35:29	godSend23	gen10 plus
2022-02-26 12:35:51	jmariondev	10 seems to support UEFI yeah
2022-02-26 12:36:18	jmariondev	but yeah the answer to the original question (for that server) is "depends on how you configure your raid controller"
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2022-02-26 12:36:48	godSend23	alright the notion of raid is something everybody is agreeing on and i'm novel to it
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2022-02-26 12:39:26	susi	tirnanog: yes, I know there are flaws. thanks, I'll look into it
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2022-02-26 12:40:49	godSend23	idk if those scsis have existing partitions
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2022-02-26 12:41:02	MrElendig	easy to check
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2022-02-26 12:43:16	godSend23	detect disk but doesn't tell me
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2022-02-26 12:44:35	jmariondev	`lsblk`
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2022-02-26 12:46:09	godSend23	i'm using the gui intterface of db iso install
2022-02-26 12:46:15	godSend23	*deb
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2022-02-26 12:46:31	godSend23	so limited view jmariondev 
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2022-02-26 13:05:28	birkoff	is there a way to specify a custom command to be used as a session for tigervnc ?  ~/.vnc/config session= seems to only accept xsession names
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2022-02-26 13:33:38	lucenera	I have a Ryzen 5 3500U with integrated Vega 8 graphics. I use Gnome and Wayland with stock kernel.
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2022-02-26 13:34:19	lucenera	I have encountered two problems: when I connect or disconnect power to the laptop the brightness always goes to minimum.
2022-02-26 13:35:03	lucenera	Sometimes when I come out of standby the screen stays black, even if I try to increase the brightness and am forced to reboot.
2022-02-26 13:35:15	lucenera	How can I fix it?
2022-02-26 13:35:45	Namarrgon	the brightness change is often done by the firmware but you can test that by not starting gnome when you (un)plug the power
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2022-02-26 13:36:33	Namarrgon	what does "standby" mean? screensaver? dpms? suspend-to-ram? suspend-to-disk?
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2022-02-26 13:38:13	MrElendig	laptop?
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2022-02-26 13:44:14	lucenera	suspend to ram
2022-02-26 13:44:19	lucenera	Acer laptop
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2022-02-26 13:51:55	Mathisen	what am i missing, i have networkmanager installed and i have wireguard-tools is not that enough for networkmanager to be able to add wireguard connection ? i dont get anything in the list when trying to add a new VPN connection
2022-02-26 13:52:42	aod_	hi all
2022-02-26 13:53:01	Namarrgon	lucenera: can you post the kernel log for that period?
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2022-02-26 13:53:20	BrainDamage	Mathisen: there's a pkgbuild in the aur called networkmanager-wireguard which hints that nm by itself doesn't have that functionality
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2022-02-26 13:54:12	aod_	guys how do i install programs safely, can i make an virtualenviroment?
2022-02-26 13:54:21	Mathisen	BrainDamage, i will take a look
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2022-02-26 13:54:42	Warepire	aod_: Packaged programs are safe by default as long as you use official mirrors
2022-02-26 13:54:47	BrainDamage	aod_: please rephrase, it's not clear what you want
2022-02-26 13:55:07	aod_	BrainDamage sorry
2022-02-26 13:55:32	aod_	w8 pls
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2022-02-26 13:56:00	Mathisen	BrainDamage, thanks, that worked
2022-02-26 13:56:11	lucenera	Namarrgon I will try.
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2022-02-26 14:03:25	Freneticks	Is it possible to boot luks2 full encrypted boot with PKthing key? (not argon2i)
2022-02-26 14:03:47	Namarrgon	"PKthing"?
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2022-02-26 14:04:49	Freneticks	PBKDF2*
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2022-02-26 14:04:54	Freneticks	impossible to remember...
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2022-02-26 14:06:29	Namarrgon	"kinda"? you can coerce grub into submission but the grub payload on the ESP cannot be encrypted
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2022-02-26 14:06:43	Namarrgon	you'd have to set up e.g. secureboot for that
2022-02-26 14:07:09	Freneticks	yeah i know, it's just that now my grub say he doesn't found the UUID of my encrypted /
2022-02-26 14:07:43	Namarrgon	did you generate a custom grub image that includes the 'cryptodisk' module?
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2022-02-26 14:08:26	Freneticks	Namarrgon: of course
2022-02-26 14:09:15	Namarrgon	how?
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2022-02-26 14:10:20	Freneticks	putting some settings like cryptodisk=y and specify the uuid in the kernel line of /etc/default/grub
2022-02-26 14:10:47	Namarrgon	that doesn't work for luks2? which guide are you following?
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2022-02-26 14:11:30	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#LUKS2
2022-02-26 14:11:31	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-26 14:11:43	Freneticks	arch wiki, reading again the wiki, maybe i need to load the luks2 module in grub i will try again with that
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2022-02-26 14:12:50	Namarrgon	be careful where you copy the new payload to, the path might be a different one for you depending on what youpassed to --bootloader-id
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2022-02-26 14:13:41	Namarrgon	now i'm worried!
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2022-02-26 15:32:41	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-26 15:32:41	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1495 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1495 normals)
2022-02-26 15:08:56	Foxboron	MacGyver: sd-boot does everything correctly
2022-02-26 15:09:01	Foxboron	and is a very simple bootloader, frankly
2022-02-26 15:09:37	MacGyver	Yeah what I mean is, I'd like to read somewhere what "doing everything correctly" means as a writeup, rather than sd-boot's git commit log.
2022-02-26 15:09:56	MacGyver	I've got a general idea of what needs to happen but I'm curious about the specifics.
2022-02-26 15:10:16	nomade	hi all
2022-02-26 15:10:20	Foxboron	the bootloader just need to pass the EFI binary into the verifier functions UEFI offers
2022-02-26 15:10:40	aod_	so there is something like a virtualenviroment, or should i add another user?
2022-02-26 15:11:20	MacGyver	Oh I think https://0pointer.net/blog/authenticated-boot-and-disk-encryption-on-linux.html fits the bill of what I mean.
2022-02-26 15:11:21	phrik	Title: Authenticated Boot and Disk Encryption on Linux (at 0pointer.net)
2022-02-26 15:11:39	MacGyver	And now that I see it, I recall reading that partially.
2022-02-26 15:11:58	⚡ 	MacGyver leaves it open this time.
2022-02-26 15:12:13	Foxboron	MacGyver: that goes a bit beyond secure boot and more into "verified boot" territory
2022-02-26 15:13:52	aod_	i want to install programs, but after i remove them leaving bunch of empty files that i don't know if where did come from
2022-02-26 15:14:12	MrElendig	use flatpak
2022-02-26 15:14:25	MrElendig	that will cut down on that by quite a bit
2022-02-26 15:15:06	MacGyver	Foxboron: Right. Then I guess that's what I'm interested in, though, so I'll go read this in full anyway.
2022-02-26 15:15:15	Foxboron	MacGyver: doit, it's a great read
2022-02-26 15:16:55	aod_	there is something like an virtual enviroment?
2022-02-26 15:17:52	MrElendig	there are containers, but what you actually want is probably flatpak
2022-02-26 15:18:42	nomade	yeah, flatpak is the way, but install some gnome dependencies....
2022-02-26 15:19:05	nomade	if you use gnome its ok, already came with..
2022-02-26 15:23:01	aod_	bye guys happy new year
2022-02-26 15:23:04	aod_	XD
2022-02-26 15:26:28	iceneko	clear
2022-02-26 15:32:41	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-26 16:35:07	Tiagofer	does anyone know what happened to the gcc10 package? It's not in any repos or the AUR
2022-02-26 16:35:33	Foxboron	Tiagofer: not needed anymore probably
2022-02-26 16:36:18	Tiagofer	I tried to install an AUR package that requires it and can't :/
2022-02-26 16:37:29	BrainDamage	you can probably still clone it if you remember the repo name
2022-02-26 16:37:55	Tiagofer	I'll give it a try, thanks
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2022-02-26 16:40:15	j`ey	qemu-system-aarch64 isn't packaged?
2022-02-26 16:41:11	mikewalrus	Have you tried qemu-arch-extra?
2022-02-26 16:41:25	j`ey	ah thanks, I missed that
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2022-02-26 16:43:11	Khorne	pacman -F helps finding files and their packages
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2022-02-26 16:58:47	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-02-26 17:12:52	Ghosthree3	`warning: directory permissions differ on` kind of wish this just automatically changed them if the old ones matched the old package
2022-02-26 17:13:33	Ghosthree3	why did polkit even open read access to everyone anyway
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2022-02-26 17:20:53	ℹ 	tomasfarias0 es conocido ahora como tomasfarias
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2022-02-26 17:24:52	agentlaidlaw	upgrading geoclue warning: directory permissions differ on /usr/share/polkit-1/rules.d/ filesystem: 750  package: 755
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2022-02-26 18:10:20	red_	I've been updating everything through Discover (KDE). It works perfectly. For some reason however, I feel like it's not "catching" every update and doing it correctly, so every single time I still go to terminal and sudo pacman -Syu then yay.
2022-02-26 18:10:25	red_	Compulsive? Oh yeah
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2022-02-26 18:10:56	thrice	...and?
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2022-02-26 18:11:22	grawity	discover uses packagekit, doesn't it?
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2022-02-26 18:11:46	grawity	packagekit is a bit stale but I don't really remember it having that kind of issues
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2022-02-26 18:12:07	grawity	though, well, of course it won't "catch" AUR updates
2022-02-26 18:12:29	thrice	does the extra pacman step show more updates?
2022-02-26 18:12:33	red_	and nothing. Sorry for the blog post, carry on. 
2022-02-26 18:12:42	red_	thrice: not so far
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2022-02-26 18:13:22	red_	I suppose as a one-stop-shop for updates it doesn't work completely since it doesn't update AUR Files, so "yay -Syu" (or just yay in my case) is still the way to go
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2022-02-26 18:16:31	lavaball	how do i tell snes9x alsa to use hdmi? sound works fine, but not via hdmi.
2022-02-26 18:16:32	post-factum	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73966
2022-02-26 18:16:34	phrik	Title: FS#73966 : [geoclue] controversial permissions on /usr/share/polkit-1/rules.d (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-02-26 18:17:52	MrElendig	lavaball: pauvcontrol of whatever mixer you prefer
2022-02-26 18:18:06	MrElendig	I assume you got other sound to work over hdmi
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2022-02-26 18:19:18	lavaball	yes. don't have pulse or pipe though.
2022-02-26 18:19:42	MrElendig	then you will have to mess with the alsa configs, which will be somewhat harder
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2022-02-26 18:21:54	lavaball	no output=hdmi2 option?
2022-02-26 18:22:10	MrElendig	set your default alsa output to be the hdmi, and then set snes9x to use the default output
2022-02-26 18:22:41	lavaball	that should be doable. 
2022-02-26 18:22:43	lavaball	thanks a bunch.
2022-02-26 18:22:48	⚡ 	MrElendig would install pipewire
2022-02-26 18:23:02	MrElendig	you might have to play with the rate etc
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2022-02-26 18:23:41	MrElendig	are you using alsa or sdl as the output driver?
2022-02-26 18:26:28	teraflops	the only downside I found using pipewire is that while using bluetooth I cannot set sample rate beyond 48khz
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2022-02-26 18:26:46	teraflops	I'd like 96khz + LDAC
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2022-02-26 18:29:31	lavaball	alsa.
2022-02-26 18:29:44	teraflops	bt + alsa? ugh no thanks
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2022-02-26 19:08:57	phonemic	What's the Linux support like for the new Ryzen mobile APUs? Looking at the 2022 Zephyrus G14
2022-02-26 19:09:25	MrElendig	5 or 6 series?
2022-02-26 19:09:34	phonemic	6 series. I know they are brand new
2022-02-26 19:09:47	MrElendig	good luck
2022-02-26 19:09:50	phonemic	lol
2022-02-26 19:10:07	MrElendig	amd doesn't have a good track record
2022-02-26 19:10:12	phonemic	is there anywhere to see what hardware the kernel folks priorize?
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2022-02-26 19:10:53	MrElendig	nope
2022-02-26 19:11:00	kevku	the server and clound one
2022-02-26 19:11:20	phonemic	I know Intel Xe graphics is a safe bet, but I'd like something a little more powerful
2022-02-26 19:11:27	phonemic	I know Nvidia is off the table
2022-02-26 19:11:28	MrElendig	a bigger problem than amd themself though are silly laptop makers
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2022-02-26 19:12:49	kevku	i have no idea why people say intel linux drivers are good
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2022-02-26 19:13:41	kryl	hi
2022-02-26 19:13:42	◣	nl6720 (~nl6720@archlinux/support/nl6720) ha salido ()
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2022-02-26 19:13:48	red_	hello
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2022-02-26 19:14:20	kryl	I have a pb with my kb after some updates, the keys ² appears instead of < only those keys are permuted on my external bluetooth kb !
2022-02-26 19:14:23	thrice	lol, so intel, amd, and nvidia are bad these days?
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2022-02-26 19:14:52	teraflops	nvidia blobs are ok 
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2022-02-26 19:15:22	thrice	depends who you ask
2022-02-26 19:15:29	teraflops	people is so picky that they prefer freedom and shitty drivers :P
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2022-02-26 19:17:04	kryl	also maybe it's not in relation but my mouse (bluetooth) can't stay paired after a restart of bluetooth, it's about a question of randomization of mac address. (logitech mx 2)
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2022-02-26 19:17:24	kryl	it wasn't the case since before some upgrades
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2022-02-26 19:24:32	red_	thrice: my 1080 is working well for me
2022-02-26 19:24:44	red_	on nvidia proprietary (510 I believe)
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2022-02-26 19:28:17	ℹ 	timm es conocido ahora como f00
2022-02-26 19:29:22	MrElendig	thrice: all of them are horrible, only in slightly different ways
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2022-02-26 19:30:44	LordRishav	is there any way to make iwd send a notification on Wifi connect?
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2022-02-26 19:31:05	LordRishav	Or rather execute a command on Wifi connect to use something like notify-send instead
2022-02-26 19:31:11	MrElendig	yes, but it might involve some coding
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2022-02-26 19:32:20	MrElendig	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Iwd#Allow_any_user_to_read_status_information will help
2022-02-26 19:32:21	phrik	Title: iwd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-02-26 19:32:22	grawity	iwd is a service; services can't (or at least, are not supposed to) poke into your desktop session and send notifications
2022-02-26 19:32:58	grawity	you'd need some equivalent of nm-applet, watching iwd's status from user space
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2022-02-26 19:33:59	LordRishav	Does iwctl have anything of it?
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2022-02-26 19:34:08	LordRishav	It is a userspace utility
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2022-02-26 19:36:40	MrElendig	iwgtk does notifications iirc
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2022-02-26 19:39:42	LordRishav	I do have iwgtk installed, didn't know it did notifications
2022-02-26 19:40:10	LordRishav	I'll have to try it
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2022-02-26 19:41:50	MrElendig	might just be a status icon change
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2022-02-26 19:43:24	LordRishav_	MrElendig: iwgtk doesn't send notifications in my case :(
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2022-02-26 19:44:40	mongy	which xdg-desktop-portal pkg would be used with xfce?  -gnome or -gtk?  idk the differences.
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2022-02-26 19:46:36	LordRishav_	mongy: I just use -gtk on a non-GNOME setup
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2022-02-26 19:47:42	mongy	guessed so..  thx
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2022-02-26 19:49:43	LordRishav	Sorry for the connects and disconnects, I was just fiddling with the network
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2022-02-26 19:51:48	red_	I mounted my Windows drive (dual booting) in Arch so I can have access to files. It works fine. On startup however, I have to enter my root password every time to remount the drive.
2022-02-26 19:52:04	red_	Is there a way for it to auto-mount on startup without the password prompt?
2022-02-26 19:52:29	Mathisen	h
2022-02-26 19:53:06	baltazar	!give red_ aw fstab
2022-02-26 19:53:08	phrik	red_: Fstab - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fstab
2022-02-26 19:53:23	red_	<3
2022-02-26 19:53:27	Mathisen	evening! so im trying to get a usb vga display adapter to work in arch. but im having no luck att all can someone take a look and maybe give me some hints on how to get it to work ? here is all info >> https://bpa.st/MXIA
2022-02-26 19:53:27	phrik	Title: View paste MXIA (at bpa.st)
2022-02-26 19:53:45	gehidore	Mathisen display link?
2022-02-26 19:53:53	Mathisen	yeah i have that installed 
2022-02-26 19:53:55	Mathisen	no go
2022-02-26 19:54:14	Mathisen	check the paste all info is there dmesg lsub and config
2022-02-26 19:54:27	gehidore	you have to pass options to xrandr is xorg, brb
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2022-02-26 19:54:51	Mathisen	xrandr cant see it
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2022-02-26 19:55:20	Mathisen	only getting "Provider 0: id: 0x1b7 cap: 0x1, Source Output crtcs: 4 outputs: 9 associated providers: 0 name:NVIDIA-0" when running xrandr --listproviders 
2022-02-26 19:55:31	Mathisen	and that is the regualr nvidia card
2022-02-26 19:56:38	gehidore	looking at your link now
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2022-02-26 20:08:31	gehidore	Mathisen usb2 or 3?
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2022-02-26 20:09:10	Mathisen	usb3
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2022-02-26 20:11:33	gehidore	Mathisen did you install evdi?
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2022-02-26 20:11:40	gehidore	did you enable displaylink.service?
2022-02-26 20:11:43	gehidore	did you reboot?
2022-02-26 20:11:55	gehidore	evdi from aur*
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2022-02-26 20:14:05	red_	When switching DEs, do you all prefer to format and reinstall, or install the DE and clean up what remains? 
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2022-02-26 20:14:32	Mathisen	yes 
2022-02-26 20:14:40	red_	LOL
2022-02-26 20:14:43	thurstylark	there's no need to nuke and pave for just a de change
2022-02-26 20:15:21	red_	It doesn't seem like a complicated process really, but there seems to be a portion of people who just recommend wiping.
2022-02-26 20:15:54	red_	Arch is setup beautifully now, and it took me sometime as a newbie to get it "just right". I'd hate to have to do it all over again. I have learned a great deal in the process, however. 
2022-02-26 20:15:54	ℹ 	shan es conocido ahora como shantaram
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2022-02-26 20:15:55	thrice	those people are confused
2022-02-26 20:16:03	red_	Nice.
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2022-02-26 20:17:03	thurstylark	there's no such thing as a "totally clean" system
2022-02-26 20:17:16	gehidore	red_ where are these people?
2022-02-26 20:17:22	gehidore	I haven't seen any
2022-02-26 20:17:35	thurstylark	nuking and paving for changes like that are just because it makes you feel good. no other practical use.
2022-02-26 20:17:38	gehidore	I've got shit on this box from ~10 years ago
2022-02-26 20:18:09	gehidore	as in things I installed 10 years ago and haven't used in 9 or 10
2022-02-26 20:18:29	red_	gehidore: the scourages of the internet, apparently. many websites when switching des will say "there may be issues, in this case, you could reinstall". I won't provide a list of specifics, but I read this several times.
2022-02-26 20:18:39	red_	obviously not on the arch wiki
2022-02-26 20:18:44	thurstylark	that's just laziness
2022-02-26 20:19:10	gehidore	you could install nearly every DE and have no issues running one of them
2022-02-26 20:19:21	gehidore	only time I could see having issues is if a DE is based on another 
2022-02-26 20:19:24	thurstylark	"if you have issues, welp, you fucked up. don't bother investigating what's going on and how you caused it, just start over!"
2022-02-26 20:19:53	red_	thurstylark: you would be surprised at how many linux "newbie help" websites will essentially write this at the bottom of their tutorial
2022-02-26 20:20:10	gehidore	most of those sites are just ego boosters for the authors
2022-02-26 20:20:13	red_	lmao
2022-02-26 20:20:16	gehidore	irritates me how many are just copypasta
2022-02-26 20:20:19	thurstylark	you'd be surprised how unsurprised I am at that idea
2022-02-26 20:21:05	red_	the arch wiki and this channel have provided me with every single resource I have needed. you just have to actually read and do some work 
2022-02-26 20:21:39	gehidore	you hit the nail on that statement
2022-02-26 20:21:41	gehidore	!grab red_ 
2022-02-26 20:21:41	phrik	gehidore: Bingpot!
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2022-02-26 20:21:48	red_	xD
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2022-02-27 12:56:22	Mathisen	im kinda confused, my networkmanager cant use my wireguard config it complain on "invalid configuration" but it is not invalid. i can use it just fine if i just run " wg-quick up name.conf " 
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2022-02-27 13:18:13	Ghosthree3	wg-quick configuration isnt the same as wg configuration
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2022-02-27 13:18:26	Ghosthree3	there are wg-quick specific options, probably listed in its man page
2022-02-27 13:18:47	tony_1212	got this error in clinfo "fatal error: cannot open file '/usr/share/clc/gfx909-amdgcn-mesa-mesa3d.bc': No such file or directory"
2022-02-27 13:18:47	Ghosthree3	like the Address = line
2022-02-27 13:19:53	Mathisen	Ghosthree3, hmm ok il take a look, the wierd thing is that this config worked with networkmanager like 1 month ago 
2022-02-27 13:20:03	Mathisen	i did re-install my system and now having these issues
2022-02-27 13:20:13	Ghosthree3	maybe NM uses wg-quick parameters idk
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2022-02-27 13:29:57	Mathisen	where does networkmanager store it logs for this
2022-02-27 13:30:05	Mathisen	so i can get some more info 
2022-02-27 13:30:06	Fulgen	journal
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2022-02-27 13:33:26	Mathisen	thanks "no VPN gateway address received" and "did not receive valid IP config information"
2022-02-27 13:34:03	Mathisen	i cant find anything wrong, the same confi also works perfectly on a windows client
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2022-02-27 13:44:09	ZeroV1p3r	hello
2022-02-27 13:44:21	Mathisen	hi
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2022-02-27 13:45:05	ZeroV1p3r	hru
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2022-02-27 13:46:36	enyc	welcome ZeroV1p3r when you can, they were having fun setting up SASL/Hexchat but not native speaker
2022-02-27 13:46:54	Mathisen	this the config im using https://bpa.st/AYBQ is not this right ?
2022-02-27 13:46:55	phrik	Title: View paste AYBQ (at bpa.st)
2022-02-27 13:47:27	Ghosthree3	Mathisen: windows client uses wg-quick configs though
2022-02-27 13:47:39	Mathisen	ahh ok
2022-02-27 13:47:52	Ghosthree3	if you want a wg config do `wg showconf`
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2022-02-27 13:48:19	Ghosthree3	should exclude any wg-quick stuff i think
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2022-02-27 13:48:36	Ghosthree3	(this assumes the device is active through wg-quick)
2022-02-27 13:49:02	Ghosthree3	actually not wg-quick, just up and configured, which you could do with wg-quick real quick so you can pull the config out
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2022-02-27 13:49:26	ZeroV1p3r	@wide
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2022-02-27 13:49:49	enyc	ZeroV1p3r: hello
2022-02-27 13:50:02	ZeroV1p3r	enyc how are u 
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2022-02-27 13:55:41	ZeroV1p3r	!cloakme
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2022-02-27 13:55:42	phrik	ZeroV1p3r: Eh?
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2022-02-27 14:04:07	enyc	phrik: in wrong channel, ZeroV1p3r sorted #libera-cloak now
2022-02-27 14:04:07	phrik	enyc: BLEEP BLOOP
2022-02-27 14:04:19	enyc	lol
2022-02-27 14:04:27	⚡ 	enyc thinks ..,,ooOO( bot )OOoo,,..
2022-02-27 14:04:28	ZeroV1p3r	xddddd
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2022-02-27 14:04:48	ZeroV1p3r	im new in archlinux :|
2022-02-27 14:05:21	ds	we all were once (:
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2022-02-27 14:06:36	ZeroV1p3r	:) xD ds
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2022-02-27 14:10:10	teraflops	phrik: how old are you
2022-02-27 14:10:11	phrik	teraflops: Is that… Is that really a word?
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2022-02-27 14:25:17	ZeroV1p3r	what's the better DE to use it in arch, me i use mate desktop
2022-02-27 14:25:44	beelzebuzz	arch doesnt care about your DE. use what you like
2022-02-27 14:25:52	mingdao	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Phrik
2022-02-27 14:25:53	phrik	Title: phrik - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-02-27 14:26:06	ZeroV1p3r	aha 
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2022-02-27 14:26:37	mingdao	!give ZeroV1p3r poll
2022-02-27 14:26:37	phrik	ZeroV1p3r: Compensation for channel surveys is accepted in Dogecoins, Simoleons, and Kongbucks.
2022-02-27 14:26:49	ZeroV1p3r	https://github.com/ZeroV1p3r/Shellcode-Injector
2022-02-27 14:27:06	ZeroV1p3r	https://github.com/ZeroV1p3r/ArchCleaner
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2022-02-27 14:32:47	Mathisen	why c for that, a simple bash script would do the same with 10% of the code 
2022-02-27 14:32:55	Mathisen	and why scanf and not fget and why the y.txt
2022-02-27 14:33:35	ZeroV1p3r	:) i maked before ArchCleaner Using Shellscripting
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2022-02-27 14:34:13	ZeroV1p3r	ido not use scanf in ArchCleaner
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2022-02-27 14:37:02	Mathisen	ok
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2022-02-27 15:19:43	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-27 15:19:43	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1503 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1503 normals)
2022-02-27 14:59:01	cyphertite	ZeroV1p3r:  I realize you said you're new here; and if English is not your native language (no problem), can you please install a FREE English spell checker?  Reading (avoidable) non English phrases like ^ `i maked` and `ido` tends to drive me toward insanity ;p
2022-02-27 15:00:21	ZeroV1p3r	okaay! cyphertite
2022-02-27 15:00:44	cyphertite	:)
2022-02-27 15:04:05	ZeroV1p3r	aspell package cool for spell checking? cyphertite
2022-02-27 15:04:21	thrice	real cool
2022-02-27 15:04:21	ZeroV1p3r	how i can upload an image
2022-02-27 15:04:50	ZeroV1p3r	real is a package or wut thrice?
2022-02-27 15:05:07	cyphertite	yep - good stuff, especially if you run weechat as your client 
2022-02-27 15:05:32	ZeroV1p3r	im using hexchat :)
2022-02-27 15:06:54	cyphertite	ZeroV1p3r:  iirc, enchant is the correct spell checker for hexchat - but it's been many years ;p
2022-02-27 15:09:36	thrice	but, enchance deps on aspell, hunspell, nuspell, etc. optionally?  Kinda confusing
2022-02-27 15:10:20	Lartza	Because enchant is a wrapper library that can use all those backends
2022-02-27 15:12:19	cyphertite	ZeroV1p3r:  The primary hexchat 'dev' is present (here), but I would prefer to not bother him, unless absolutely necessary ;p
2022-02-27 15:12:22	thrice	it's a classic linux silliness, IMO.  "Install enchant for spell checking!"  (spell checkign still doesn't work)
2022-02-27 15:12:33	thrice	why have 1 backend, when we could have 4
2022-02-27 15:12:47	ZeroV1p3r	i installed enchant
2022-02-27 15:12:55	ZeroV1p3r	but idont know how ican enable it
2022-02-27 15:14:07	thrice	you also need one of the backends for enchant.  pacman -Si enchant, see the "Optional Deps"
2022-02-27 15:14:41	jelle	sounds more like the keyboard needs some lube
2022-02-27 15:17:12	cyphertite	jelle:  ^indeed; a plausible hypothesis 
2022-02-27 15:19:43	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-27 15:21:38	ZeroV1p3r	$ sudo pacman -R webkit2gtk
2022-02-27 15:21:38	ZeroV1p3r	checking dependencies...
2022-02-27 15:21:38	ZeroV1p3r	error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
2022-02-27 15:21:38	ZeroV1p3r	:: removing webkit2gtk breaks dependency 'webkit2gtk>=2.6.0' required by atril
2022-02-27 15:21:38	ZeroV1p3r	:: removing webkit2gtk breaks dependency 'webkit2gtk' required by zenity
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2022-02-27 15:22:00	ZeroV1p3r	guys how ican delete this package without deleting atril or zenity
2022-02-27 15:22:10	thrice	why do you want to delete it
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2022-02-27 15:22:51	ZeroV1p3r	i just installed it wrong
2022-02-27 15:23:05	thrice	excuse me?
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2022-02-27 15:23:49	ZeroV1p3r	i got it wrong
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2022-02-27 15:24:16	thrice	you can't remove dependencies of packages that are explicitely installed
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2022-02-27 15:24:45	ZeroV1p3r	wait iwill restart my hexchat to see if spell checking is enabled
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2022-02-27 15:25:41	ZeroV1p3r	:| spell checking not enabled
2022-02-27 15:25:55	thrice	which enchant backend did you choose
2022-02-27 15:26:43	ZeroV1p3r	hunspell
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2022-02-27 15:27:44	ZeroV1p3r	hi
2022-02-27 15:28:13	cyphertite	ZeroV1p3r:  also, did you close hexchat, logout, and then login, and re-start hexchat?
2022-02-27 15:28:16	thrice	from google, did you do settings -> preferences -> interface -> inputbox?
2022-02-27 15:28:44	ZeroV1p3r	i closed hexchat and restart it
2022-02-27 15:28:53	ZeroV1p3r	yes i tried it thrice
2022-02-27 15:29:01	cyphertite	k
2022-02-27 15:36:57	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-02-27 15:36:58	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-27 15:36:58	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1503 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1503 normals)
2022-02-27 15:37:00	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-27 15:37:09	cyphertite	ZeroV1p3r:  also check your System Settings.  I'm running KDE with 'Automatic spell checking enabled by default' ENABLED
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2022-02-27 15:37:42	ZeroV1p3r	wait i tried a method iwill back now
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2022-02-27 15:38:42	ZeroV1p3r	its worked 
2022-02-27 15:38:50	cyphertite	:D
2022-02-27 15:38:53	ZeroV1p3r	lol
2022-02-27 15:39:08	teraflops	did you enable klingon spellchecking?
2022-02-27 15:39:33	ZeroV1p3r	no just i forget to install hunspell-en_us 
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2022-02-27 15:43:20	cyphertite	super-lols:  'I want to forget my ex-wife'  and 'I forgot my wallet (and fone) in the bar' are both acceptable uses on English ;p 
2022-02-27 15:43:48	cyphertite	MY GOD:  *of English
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2022-02-27 15:48:57	KDDLB	hey y'all 
2022-02-27 15:49:10	ZeroV1p3r	hi KDDLB
2022-02-27 15:49:15	KDDLB	what would be the best way to "convert" an NTFS partition to a Linux-native FS, like ext4 or btrfs?
2022-02-27 15:50:05	KDDLB	the idea I had was making a Linux data partition as big as the free space on the NTFS partition and moving data from the NTFS part to the LinuxFS part
2022-02-27 15:50:08	KDDLB	would that be a good idea?
2022-02-27 15:50:09	ZeroV1p3r	format the partition and make new one with ext4 or what you want
2022-02-27 15:50:48	Warepire	ZeroV1p3r: That's a good way to loose all your data if you want to keep it
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2022-02-27 15:51:09	KDDLB	yeah I was gonna say, I have data I want to keep
2022-02-27 15:51:21	ZeroV1p3r	aha sorry KDDLB
2022-02-27 15:51:33	ZeroV1p3r	use mkfs
2022-02-27 15:51:52	cyphertite	KDDLB:  back your 'stuff' up, first and ensure it is then restorable from external media.  After that, create new partitions and filesystems 
2022-02-27 15:52:21	Warepire	I researched it some years ago when I migrated an NTFS drive from my Windows era to ext4, I didn't find any way to do it other than copy all data somewhere else, re-format drive, copy data back.
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2022-02-27 15:53:25	cyphertite	Warepire:  nothing has changed; no safe shortcuts
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2022-02-27 15:54:21	KDDLB	what I plan to do is: make a partition of at least 1 TB on my 4 TB hard drive (I have some free space) and move some data from the big NTFS partition to the small ext4/btrfs partition
2022-02-27 15:54:44	KDDLB	and when I make more free space on the NTFS partition, shrink that one and make the linux one bigger
2022-02-27 15:54:46	KDDLB	and so on and so on
2022-02-27 15:54:55	KDDLB	until I can safely delete the NTFS partition
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2022-02-27 15:56:02	mtn	Not having backups means you don't care about losing your personal files and settings.
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2022-02-27 15:56:25	cyphertite	KDDLB:  if you are not running it already; have a look at 'borg' - a seriously excellent backup solution 
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2022-02-27 16:00:27	cyphertite	mtn:  ^as in = guaranteed/predictable/inevitable/assured data loss ;p
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2022-02-27 16:01:07	Earnestly	zfs/btrfs (with --data dup) and borg (due to nature of CAS) gives you pretty good resilience against bitrot and other corruption, but --data dup does mean you half the capacity by default
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2022-02-27 16:01:19	OneDev	hi
2022-02-27 16:01:40	OneDev	anyone have problem with VPn on gnome with upgrade?
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2022-02-27 16:02:15	OneDev	gnome 41.3
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2022-02-27 16:02:41	OneDev	it is not possible anymore to intiate VPN connection from a gnome module or toolbar
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2022-02-27 16:03:20	Earnestly	CAS alone can detect corruption (via integrity verification), but it cannot correct it as CAS by definition deduplicates the data
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2022-02-27 16:04:39	OneDev	I will probably try with compiling version 
2022-02-27 16:05:12	Earnestly	And if you can, use ECC memory.  You can get old workstations with loads of ECC pretty cheap these days
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2022-02-27 16:06:29	Zetta1Reid0	Hello. I want to make a list of packages so if I decide to do clean install i can pacstrap the list of packages.I do pacman -Qq but the problem is that I have aur packages installed.Anyone have any idea how to remove the aur packages from the list automatically ?
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2022-02-27 16:08:31	tirnanog	Zetta1Reid0: grep -vxFf <(pacman -Qqm) <(pacman -Qqe)
2022-02-27 16:08:46	Zetta1Reid0	tirnanog: ty
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2022-02-27 16:09:12	Scimmia	yeah, don't do that
2022-02-27 16:09:16	Earnestly	tirnanog: -n?
2022-02-27 16:09:31	Zetta1Reid0	Scimmia: why not ?
2022-02-27 16:09:33	Scimmia	pacman has an option for native packages
2022-02-27 16:09:37	tirnanog	Earnestly: thanks. didn't know about it.
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2022-02-27 16:09:42	Earnestly	pacman -Qqne
2022-02-27 16:10:13	Earnestly	I do appreciate pacman more after having to use both xbps and apt
2022-02-27 16:10:32	Earnestly	Having "modal" style command using -Uppercase flags is extremely pleasant
2022-02-27 16:10:57	tirnanog	both methods yield the same set in my case, but -n is definitely better.
2022-02-27 16:10:59	Earnestly	Instead of pacman-mode or pacman mode (xbps vs. apt)
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2022-02-27 16:11:40	tirnanog	Earnestly: I agree. the UI is pretty comfy.
2022-02-27 16:12:06	Zetta1Reid0	Indeed . I used rpm based and deb based package managers.Compared to pacman they silly as fk.
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2022-02-27 16:12:41	Earnestly	And that a large degree of packaging tooling/introspection is exposed directly by pacman instead of needing to learn several supplimentary tools.  The only thing it needs is formatted output
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2022-02-27 16:12:54	Earnestly	Such as '%{pkgname} whatever %{version}' style deal
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2022-02-27 16:14:37	Earnestly	(Although pacgraph, pacutils, expac, etc. do exist.)
2022-02-27 16:14:40	cyphertite	Earnestly:  thanks for that tip!  IIRC, for ECC to work correctly, it requires a MB with native ECC support, which used to be 1.5X - 2.0X the cost of a 'standard (non-ECC)' MB, and I do mean without ECC RAM!  I will have another (current) look...
2022-02-27 16:15:05	◣	OneDev (LordShiva@user/one39dev) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-02-27 16:15:35	Earnestly	cyphertite: Yes, which is why old workstations are quite nice.  E.g. https://www.greenpcgamers.com/upgrade-guides/ -- these are all servers/workstations
2022-02-27 16:16:25	Earnestly	cyphertite: I got a z600v2 for compiling things, and that came with 24 threads and half it's memory capacity at 52G with some SSD for £250 or so
2022-02-27 16:16:32	Earnestly	its*
2022-02-27 16:16:58	Earnestly	(Random factoid, the PC case was designed by BWM)
2022-02-27 16:17:10	Earnestly	(And is cooler with it closed)
2022-02-27 16:17:32	ZeroV1p3r	how i can upload an image to here
2022-02-27 16:17:44	Earnestly	Use a paste site
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2022-02-27 16:17:59	ZeroV1p3r	can you send me a paste site?
2022-02-27 16:18:20	cyphertite	Earnestly:  nice site, noted, and thanks!
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2022-02-27 16:20:25	Earnestly	!give ZeroV1p3r paste
2022-02-27 16:20:25	phrik	ZeroV1p3r: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-02-27 16:20:49	Earnestly	ZeroV1p3r: paste.rs can do images, 0x0.st can arbitrary-ish data and there are others
2022-02-27 16:21:53	Earnestly	cyphertite: (Servers also tended to have SCSI daisy chains so you can add shitloads of storage on a single connector)
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2022-02-27 16:26:04	Zetta1Reid0	Was there a way to disable getty issue withought editing systemd unit ?
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2022-02-27 16:29:31	cyphertite	Earnestly:  yep; and I will begin monitoring this space; as in I want a far more capable rig, yet at an acceptable price
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2022-02-27 16:29:57	Earnestly	SCSI drives are stupid cheap
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2022-02-27 16:30:54	Earnestly	SAS*
2022-02-27 16:31:48	Earnestly	Or were, tend to be many job lots selling a few dozen for chips
2022-02-27 16:31:52	colo	cyphertite, my ryzen/zen3 desktop system supports ECC UDIMM. the mainboard did not cost more than models from competitors without proper ECC support.
2022-02-27 16:32:23	colo	you do not have tu use SAS drives attached to SAS controller. SATA drives attached to SAS controllers/HBAs works fine. the other way around does not work, though.
2022-02-27 16:32:41	Earnestly	I think ECC should, if it isn't, become more common.  It's a little ridiculous that it isn't
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2022-02-27 16:37:41	colo	DDR5 has ECC on-DIMM. well, at least optionally. but it seems to be (very?) common.
2022-02-27 16:38:15	colo	I guess rowhammer triggered this is a line of defense
2022-02-27 16:38:24	colo	(porbably not gonna be enough)
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2022-02-27 16:38:33	colo	probably*
2022-02-27 16:39:57	cyphertite	colo:  pure Intel (with Optimus) on laptops here; but good input nonetheless :)
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2022-02-27 17:16:54	ZeroV1p3r	phrik i can use anonymshare.com
2022-02-27 17:16:55	phrik	ZeroV1p3r: Eh?
2022-02-27 17:17:35	teraflops	ZeroV1p3r: what do you want to do?
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2022-02-27 17:17:51	ZeroV1p3r	upload image 
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2022-02-27 17:18:22	teraflops	use whatever you want I guess
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2022-02-27 17:20:36	NetSysFire	there is 0x0.st for files
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2022-02-27 17:22:48	teraflops	ZeroV1p3r: e.g curl -F'file=@yourfile.png' https://0x0.st
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2022-02-27 17:24:08	HawkinsTheWizard	!paste
2022-02-27 17:24:09	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-02-27 17:24:41	mpan	HawkinsTheWizard: most of those do not support images, tho. 0x0.st does.
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2022-02-27 17:25:04	seds	I am packaging a software with PKGBUILD that when make is run, it automatically installs the files. What would be the best way to handle such case with PKGBUILD, given `make` in build() automatically tries to install and fails because of permissions 
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2022-02-27 17:25:33	seds	I wonder if calling `make` from package() would be a correct approach to this 
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2022-02-27 17:26:48	mpan	seds: doesn’t the Makefile accept stuff like PREFIX=/whatever/path or smth?
2022-02-27 17:27:07	mpan	(or DESTDIR, or anything like that)
2022-02-27 17:28:12	mpan	But the best solution would be to open a bug report upstream, so they fix their makefile.
2022-02-27 17:28:21	seds	I've tried with DESTDIR, but it seems their Makefile is not respecting it. I forgot about PREFIX, let me see if that works
2022-02-27 17:28:48	Warepire	If the Makefile is not a total mess, you could check it and see what it expects.
2022-02-27 17:29:11	mpan	It will be in the documentation of that Makefile or — in the worst case — you will need to analyze the Makefile. The variable may be called arbitrarily.
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2022-02-27 17:29:51	jelle	also helps to share the project :p
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2022-02-27 17:30:52	mpan	However, if possible, I strongly suggest telling the upstream about the issue. Make should NOT install while building. Otherwise it must be run with root privileges for the build, which is a bad idea. It also makes rebuilding cumbersome.
2022-02-27 17:31:52	seds	Warepire: yeah, its a total mess. I could run a bunch of sed, but I wantes to avoid that
2022-02-27 17:32:21	seds	mpan: yeah, it seems this problem was previosly discussed upstream: https://github.com/riscv-collab/riscv-gnu-toolchain/issues/874
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2022-02-27 17:33:36	Warepire	seds: Yuck, that way of doing things is awful
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2022-02-27 17:34:01	Warepire	I'd be tempted to make several PKGBUILDs with possibly custom make files.
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2022-02-27 17:35:39	mpan	Then it seems they have chosen a wrong tool for the job. Using make to script a build of unrelated software packages. :/
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2022-02-27 17:36:20	Warepire	I mean, it works for buildroot, but that toolchain just did it in an awful (and in my opinion really wrong) way.
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2022-02-27 17:36:35	mpan	Normally each would have its own Makefile and be built separately, installed, then another part would be made. This is how e.g. gcc is done in Arch. And how multiple crossbuilt gcc versions are built in AUR.
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2022-02-27 17:41:02	Scimmia	seds: are you sickcodes?
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2022-02-28 10:28:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-28 10:28:01	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1512 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1512 normals)
2022-02-28 10:22:09	msk`	hi
2022-02-28 10:22:23	msk`	how does one specify the C.UTF-8 locale ?
2022-02-28 10:26:44	pengyu	msk`:  /etc/locale.gen and /etc/locale.conf for system configration ?
2022-02-28 10:27:12	sheep	why C.UTF-8?
2022-02-28 10:28:01	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-28 10:30:39	jmariondev	can be good when you're trying to share error output and you don't want it to be localized
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2022-02-28 10:31:09	jmariondev	you can set it for a single program by prefixing the command: `LANG=C.UTF-8 ./problem-command`
2022-02-28 10:31:11	sheep	the C locale is the standard for that, not C.UTF-8
2022-02-28 10:31:12	teraflops	pengyu: how, where?
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2022-02-28 10:31:25	txtsd	Any idea why some of my qt apps are opening with XWayland instead of native wayland? qbittorrent, telegram-desktop, and qtcreator should open properly on Wayland. I have QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland, and I also tried with -platform wayland.
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2022-02-28 10:31:51	ℹ 	ayusta es conocido ahora como ayustae
2022-02-28 10:32:05	jmariondev	sheep: oh yes you're correct. not sure if C.UTF-8 is a valid locale?
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2022-02-28 10:32:27	sheep	I'm not sure if it has been added to the glibc release that arch has yet
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2022-02-28 10:55:59	Namarrgon	it's there but has a couple of issues
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2022-02-28 11:01:29	Tom^	txtsd: is qt6-wayland installed?
2022-02-28 11:01:49	txtsd	Yes, qt5-wayland and qt6-wayland are both installed.
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2022-02-28 11:03:16	Tom^	txtsd: and same thing happends if you run a terminal and simply "QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland qtcreator"
2022-02-28 11:03:42	Tom^	otherwise you are setting your env var in some place that your DE isnt getting.
2022-02-28 11:03:43	txtsd	Yes, same behavor. Only one app on my system `trackma-qt` launches natively. Others launch with XWayland.
2022-02-28 11:03:58	txtsd	I set my envvars in .zprofile
2022-02-28 11:04:28	txtsd	I'd do them in .zshenv, but I have a X or wayland conditional in .zprofile that I set them in.
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2022-02-28 11:11:16	txtsd	brb
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2022-02-28 11:12:27	txtsd	okay back
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2022-02-28 11:21:25	ℹ 	rayanamukami6 es conocido ahora como rayanamukami
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2022-02-28 11:21:43	txtsd	Is there a way for me to quickly debug this?
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2022-02-28 11:48:08	nicholaus04	Howdy arch folks!
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2022-02-28 11:52:37	jellie	Hello all
2022-02-28 11:52:45	jellie	I'm trying to install this package https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/libxcrypt-compat/
2022-02-28 11:52:47	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - libxcrypt-compat 4.4.28-2 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
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2022-02-28 11:52:54	mpan	jelly: jelle: jellie… I will soon lose count!
2022-02-28 11:52:55	jellie	but pacman -Ss and pacman -S can't find it
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2022-02-28 11:53:07	jellie	It's also not on aur
2022-02-28 11:53:16	sheep	run pacman -Syu
2022-02-28 11:53:19	mpan	jellie: -Syu first
2022-02-28 11:53:22	mpan	↑
2022-02-28 11:53:40	jelle	mpan: what?
2022-02-28 11:53:42	mpan	It seems you did not update your system recently and your sync database is way beyond what mirrors are offering.
2022-02-28 11:53:45	jellie	I tried that but I'll do it again
2022-02-28 11:53:52	mpan	jellie: nothing, nothing… just yet another name similar to yours. :)
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2022-02-28 11:55:21	mpan	jellie: ok, so what is the EXACT error message you are receiving? Please copy it exactly, in full.
2022-02-28 11:55:36	thurstylark	libxcrypt is there for me...
2022-02-28 11:55:51	mpan	jelle: nothing, nothing… just yet another name similar to yours. :)
2022-02-28 11:55:57	sheep	maybe you're using an old mirror
2022-02-28 11:56:14	thurstylark	the package is not named libxcrypt-compat, it's named libxcrypt
2022-02-28 11:56:15	mpan	sheep: then it would not be in the sync database after -Syu. But perhaps the mirror is broken. 
2022-02-28 11:56:21	thurstylark	pacman -Ss libxcrypt
2022-02-28 11:56:53	mpan	sheep: I have see two similar occurances recently, with the mirror being in some kind of desync state.
2022-02-28 11:57:21	thurstylark	oh, wait, nvm I'm off on something else
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2022-02-28 11:57:29	jellie	mpan: It's not an error https://pastebin.com/9AYtbQWD
2022-02-28 11:57:30	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oK7g.txt
2022-02-28 11:57:30	phrik	Title: ~ » pacman -Syy:: Synchronizing package databases... core - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-02-28 11:57:42	jellie	thurstylark: How do you explain this  https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/libxcrypt-compat/ ?
2022-02-28 11:57:44	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - libxcrypt-compat 4.4.28-2 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-02-28 11:58:03	thurstylark	try another mirror
2022-02-28 11:58:09	sheep	never -Sy then -S. You will almost certainly cause a partial upgrade and brek things. You should run -Su before installing any packages
2022-02-28 11:58:14	mpan	jellie: try finding a mirror that is not outdated. it seems sheep’s idea is right.
2022-02-28 11:58:44	jellie	libxcrypt-compat and not libxcrypt is a dependency of https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mullvad-vpn
2022-02-28 11:58:47	mpan	jellie: for the record, which is that mirror? The exact `Server = …` line.
2022-02-28 11:59:13	jellie	Let me see what my mirrors are
2022-02-28 12:00:03	labrador	jellie, wait weren't you an arch dev?
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2022-02-28 12:00:24	mpan	labrador: jelle is. Yeah, to many jellyish names! ;)
2022-02-28 12:00:37	labrador	oh ok
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2022-02-28 12:01:01	mpan	There is also jelly, who is not related to jelle or jellie.
2022-02-28 12:01:02	ℹ 	jellie es conocido ahora como zipper
2022-02-28 12:01:14	labrador	lmao yeah
2022-02-28 12:01:14	zipper	Much better name
2022-02-28 12:01:15	mpan	And jelle-
2022-02-28 12:01:21	mpan	hehe zipper  :D
2022-02-28 12:01:32	zipper	The top of my mirror list is `Server = https://iad.mirrors.misaka.one/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch`
2022-02-28 12:01:38	zipper	Let me switch them around
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2022-02-28 12:02:21	mpan	zipper: yeah, misaka.one is marked as out-of-sync.
2022-02-28 12:02:26	zipper	Oh my god
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2022-02-28 12:02:48	zipper	I've been wondering why I haven't gotten upgrades in so long
2022-02-28 12:03:00	jelle	mpan: pls no ping!
2022-02-28 12:03:00	zipper	Like I run pacman -Syu and it's up to date for like over a week
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2022-02-28 12:03:10	mpan	Over two weeks ago: <https://archlinux.org/mirrors/misaka.one/1297/>.
2022-02-28 12:03:12	zipper	I was like hmm arch has been moving slow
2022-02-28 12:03:12	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - http://iad.mirrors.misaka.one/archlinux/ - URL Details (at archlinux.org)
2022-02-28 12:03:15	thurstylark	!give zipper reflector
2022-02-28 12:03:15	phrik	zipper: reflector -p https -c <country> --score 10 --sort rate --save /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
2022-02-28 12:03:45	mpan	jelle: ok, I will not ping you.
2022-02-28 12:03:47	zipper	I never considered the mirror being the issue
2022-02-28 12:04:10	mpan	zipper: yeah, that happens from time to time. And this is really not the worst fail that happens. :)
2022-02-28 12:05:44	zipper	thurstylark: I don't have reflector. I'll install it
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2022-02-28 12:05:55	zipper	meanwhile I have like 2G of upgrades to run
2022-02-28 12:06:02	zipper	Hopefully all goes well.
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2022-02-28 12:06:55	thurstylark	yeah, check it out. it's also got a timer that would also help in this situation
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2022-02-28 12:35:53	ℹ 	heatwave_ es conocido ahora como heatwave
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2022-02-28 13:32:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-02-28 13:32:01	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1525 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1525 normals)
2022-02-28 13:30:05	GuiToris	hello, is there any way to read YT comments from the command line?
2022-02-28 13:32:01	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-02-28 13:32:04	heatwave	Not that I know of, but i'm sure you can use their API and stdout on the term
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2022-02-28 13:35:13	mpan	GuiToris: community/yt-dlp, the `--write-comments` option.
2022-02-28 13:35:41	GuiToris	I have that installed, I'm giving it a try, thank you mpan
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2022-02-28 13:36:13	mpan	GuiToris: note that yt-dlp is not using officially supported means of accessing YT and constantly has to follow changes to circumvent issues, so that is not a future proof method. It may fail at any time.
2022-02-28 13:36:41	mpan	You will receive a JSON file with the comments, but that is sufficient to be computer-processible later.
2022-02-28 13:39:10	GuiToris	uhh, how could I make it human readable? What other program do you suggest?
2022-02-28 13:42:05	mpan	Are you saying JSON is not human-readable? :OOO
2022-02-28 13:42:11	mpan	See community/jq. :)
2022-02-28 13:42:29	GuiToris	yeah, I've not dealt with json before
2022-02-28 13:45:07	GuiToris	jq ./file.json
2022-02-28 13:45:09	GuiToris	jq: 1 compile error
2022-02-28 13:45:20	GuiToris	jq [options...] filter [files...]
2022-02-28 13:45:23	GuiToris	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-02-28 13:45:59	jelle	GuiToris: jq < file.json
2022-02-28 13:46:54	GuiToris	Thank you, much better
2022-02-28 13:48:22	susi	or even: jq . file.json
2022-02-28 13:50:18	mpan	GuiToris: nah, not about you. Just a joke, since “XML is bad and unreadable, use JSON” murmured by some people. :)
2022-02-28 13:58:44	⚡ 	Earnestly .oO(https://0x0.st/o-hb.html)
2022-02-28 13:58:55	Earnestly	(It's not html)
2022-02-28 14:06:43	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-02-28 14:12:13	suss	A question, just in a case that, how do i download official package and install it manually with some parameters of `configure' to be added before i `make' them?
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2022-02-28 14:13:03	suss	*from pacman style
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2022-02-28 15:35:32	Ghosthree3	that sounds like a trap
2022-02-28 15:37:36	mpan	SDUC cards can’t even be smaller than 2TB, so that is entirely believable. But there is likely to be a lot of fakes, so check if the claimed brand is actually offering such models and use trusted sources to minimize risk of a scam.
2022-02-28 15:38:34	Strykar	plocate throws "pread: Short read (file corrupted?)" - https://bpa.st/7OKQ  What's causing this?
2022-02-28 15:38:36	phrik	Title: View paste 7OKQ (at bpa.st)
2022-02-28 15:39:01	Foxboron	Strykar: run updatedb
2022-02-28 15:39:31	Foxboron	why are you even passing it an entire path?
2022-02-28 15:40:29	Strykar	Foxboron: where do you see me passing it a path?
2022-02-28 15:41:06	Strykar	and why won't the service get enabled?
2022-02-28 15:41:15	ldiamond	I noticed not so long ago that pacman now downloads packages in (reverse) order of size, I'm curious to know why.
2022-02-28 15:41:25	Foxboron	Strykar: why do you think systemctl status takes a path to a service?
2022-02-28 15:42:07	Strykar	Foxboron: oh there, my bad sry, all issues fixed.
2022-02-28 15:42:37	Foxboron	ldiamond: some very limited testing suggested it improves download time
2022-02-28 15:43:57	ldiamond	That's odd.
2022-02-28 15:44:10	Foxboron	I dont think it is?
2022-02-28 15:45:10	ldiamond	Well, you're still doing the same thing over the same number of connections
2022-02-28 15:45:41	Scimmia	but if you start the largest file last, nothing else will be being downloaded
2022-02-28 15:45:43	ldiamond	I guess if you're unlucky and you have a connection pool but your last one is large.
2022-02-28 15:46:04	Foxboron	You don't think the ordering can improve the bandwidth utilization?
2022-02-28 15:46:06	Foxboron	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/70172
2022-02-28 15:46:07	phrik	Title: FS#70172 : ParallelDownloads: order downloads by size (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-02-28 15:46:11	Foxboron	https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/pacman-dev/2021-August/025287.html
2022-02-28 15:46:12	phrik	Title: [pacman-dev] [PATCH] Order downloads by descending max_size (at lists.archlinux.org)
2022-02-28 15:46:33	ldiamond	Here everything seems to go over a single connection though.
2022-02-28 15:46:52	Foxboron	then nothing changes
2022-02-28 15:47:16	ldiamond	I'll check how to enable multiple parallel downloads then, that would be helpful
2022-02-28 15:47:40	Strykar	ldiamond: it's in pacman.conf, and that change made a huge leap for my d/l times on Gigabit fiber
2022-02-28 15:48:13	ldiamond	Strykar: yes I'm on gigabit fiber as well, I'm assuming this will help a lot, not that it's slow right now at 30MB/s.
2022-02-28 15:49:00	Strykar	10 is a nice starting point, it's the consistency of the mirrors that I actually matter here in Asia
2022-02-28 16:01:28	ShapeShifter499	hi
2022-02-28 16:02:32	ShapeShifter499	I'm having a bit of an issue trying to get a routeable IPv6 on my arch linux box.  All of my IPv6 addresses show up as "noprefixroute" and I can't seem to access services from outside my network even with ports open 
2022-02-28 16:02:40	ShapeShifter499	does anyone have any ideas what to do?
2022-02-28 16:02:49	ShapeShifter499	I'm currently trying to use systemd-networkd
2022-02-28 16:04:22	Strykar	how do you receive IPv6 from your ISP? Is it a /56 with prefix delegation to your router?
2022-02-28 16:06:13	ShapeShifter499	I get a /60  and one PD address 
2022-02-28 16:07:01	Strykar	You can't do PD smaller than a /56. ISP router or OpenWRT?
2022-02-28 16:07:16	ShapeShifter499	OpenWrt
2022-02-28 16:08:08	ShapeShifter499	even when I try to force /56 I get a /60
2022-02-28 16:13:23	Strykar	because your ISP thinks like Comcast, you can't do PD with a /60, ask them for a /56
2022-02-28 16:14:21	ShapeShifter499	Strykar, I have comcast lol
2022-02-28 16:14:26	Strykar	My condolences
2022-02-28 16:14:36	Strykar	You will likely need to setup IPv6 relay
2022-02-28 16:15:09	Strykar	This is an OpenWRT issue, not Archlinux :)
2022-02-28 16:15:22	ShapeShifter499	alright
2022-02-28 16:16:18	ShapeShifter499	Strykar, well thank you for helping point me in the right direction
2022-02-28 16:17:15	Strykar	ShapeShifter499: nw, read the docs on IPv6 relay, that will fix your LAN assignments, ask in #openwrt@OFTC or #ipv6@Libera for more info
2022-02-28 16:20:56	jelle	"what compression"?
2022-02-28 16:22:57	mpan	TheArcaneBrony: the format is decided by the packagers. As the person downloading them you have no choice. And Zstd has been determined to be no worse than the previously used LZMA.
2022-02-28 16:23:24	mpan	Both are at the margin of what can be achieved in general-purpose compression too. Zstd is faster.
2022-02-28 16:23:37	jelle	TheArcaneBrony: you'll soon figure out that zstd is one of the best algos
2022-02-28 16:23:39	jonathon	Zstd is the best all-round compression format currently available
2022-02-28 16:23:49	mpan	TheArcaneBrony: no.
2022-02-28 16:24:22	Strykar	it doesn't? Thought it did - https://gregoryszorc.com/images/compression-bundle-common.png
2022-02-28 16:24:40	jonathon	heh
2022-02-28 16:24:43	umaxtu	I thought zstd was faster
2022-02-28 16:24:51	jonathon	parallel downloads, faster ISP :P
2022-02-28 16:24:52	mpan	umaxtu: it is.
2022-02-28 16:24:53	Strykar	that it is
2022-02-28 16:25:06	mpan	TheArcaneBrony: compression will not solve your issues. 
2022-02-28 16:25:35	Strykar	do something else while it's downloading packages
2022-02-28 16:25:44	korrat	Strykar: There's no zstd in that graph
2022-02-28 16:25:55	⚡ 	jonathon would love 10Mbps...  is currently synced around 6
2022-02-28 16:26:03	Strykar	korrat: my bad
2022-02-28 16:26:07	mpan	“ Recompressing all packages to zstd with our options yields a total ~0.8% increase in package size on all of our packages combined, but the decompression time for all packages saw a ~1300% speedup.”
2022-02-28 16:26:08	Strykar	jonathon: no ways?
2022-02-28 16:26:35	jonathon	long ADSL line with very noisy things around (apparently)
2022-02-28 16:26:39	⚡ 	Strykar lovingly pats his 1 Gbit fiber line
2022-02-28 16:26:45	umaxtu	TheArcaneBrony: I'm lucky enough to have two choices. One of them is gigabit fiber!
2022-02-28 16:26:46	mpan	Also replace “general-purpose compression” in my previous statement with “markov chain entropy minimization algorithm”.
2022-02-28 16:27:40	jonathon	i've started using zstd-15 compression on my filesystems. its quite nice. writes take longer, but whee things load faster :D
2022-02-28 16:28:18	mpan	*maximization -.-
2022-02-28 16:28:18	Strykar	yea anything past 5 Kms is terribad for xDSL
2022-02-28 16:28:52	jonathon	yup; the "solution" in the UK for that sort of situation is to use 4G, except in the places that don't have 4G coverage... which happen to be the same places that have terrible ADSL lines... xD
2022-02-28 16:28:54	jelle	TheArcaneBrony: even if it compresses better, it won't help :)
2022-02-28 16:29:44	Strykar	and more time decompressing 
2022-02-28 16:31:56	jelle	TheArcaneBrony: you won't
2022-02-28 16:34:18	Earnestly	I wouldn't suggest arch now if you're on harsh data caps
2022-02-28 16:34:36	Earnestly	Back in the past it also included static libs as well, which is even more
2022-02-28 16:35:06	Earnestly	Oh that doesn't matter then
2022-02-28 16:35:27	Strykar	UK Internet is so backward tho, someone on london told me they have the fastest residential line possible, it's asymmetric, 20 Mbps upload
2022-02-28 16:36:02	Strykar	remote villages in India have faster symmetric fiber
2022-02-28 16:36:24	jonathon	UK companies have gone along with the US model of minimal investment - you get what you're given, and you should be thankful for it
2022-02-28 16:37:35	Strykar	you blokes don't sound thankful at all :p
2022-02-28 16:38:39	Strykar	well your kids can use Arch without feeling the pain I guess
2022-02-28 16:39:45	jelle	TheArcaneBrony: why?
2022-02-28 16:39:52	jelle	TheArcaneBrony: you can just run pacman -Syuw
2022-02-28 16:40:31	Strykar	you should really measure the difference between both compressions types AND the time taken to decompress
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2022-02-28 16:41:54	Strykar	it is 2022, safe to assme <1B/s is not an active connection
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2022-02-28 16:43:02	Earnestly	pacman has a flag to disable that
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2022-02-28 16:44:13	rassawyer	lgu
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2022-02-28 16:44:30	jonathon	!cat
2022-02-28 16:44:31	phrik	meow meow~
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2022-02-28 16:46:42	Earnestly	What is the point of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc9180/ - I'm not entirely sure what this solves, but then I don't know what ECIES solves, in abstract sense.
2022-02-28 16:46:44	phrik	Title: RFC 9180 - Hybrid Public Key Encryption (at datatracker.ietf.org)
2022-02-28 16:47:05	Earnestly	~but it uses a KDF~... so?
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2022-02-28 16:48:02	Strykar	TheArcaneBrony: http://fastcompression.blogspot.com has good reads you may find interesting
2022-02-28 16:48:02	◣	plitz (~user@191.190.32.76) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2022-02-28 16:48:03	phrik	Title: RealTime Data Compression (at fastcompression.blogspot.com)
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2022-02-28 16:49:14	ℹ 	Dotz0cat_ es conocido ahora como Dotz0cat
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2022-02-28 16:58:37	Earnestly	Oh I guess the whole hybrid dance solves the problem of having to care about maintaining keys from sender pov
2022-02-28 16:59:09	Earnestly	Only the receiver needs to maintain their public key
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2022-02-28 17:00:10	Earnestly	This would make webauthn-style things a lot easier, hm
2022-02-28 17:01:32	Earnestly	And with password2pgp, even the public key can be emphemeral for the duration of exchange
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2022-02-28 17:10:14	oriba	I used asp to get sources and then started makepkg without changeing the PKGBUILD but got an error message. I would expect that without changing  the PKGBUILD it should work. Instead I got an error message, that a non-available option is used.
2022-02-28 17:10:34	oriba	how can this happen? 
2022-02-28 17:10:48	oriba	isn't that the way how official packages will be cretaed?
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2022-02-28 17:13:11	Scimmia	oriba: specifics?
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2022-02-28 17:15:00	oriba	Scimmia: package neomutt, I got errmsg that 'debug', would be a non-existant option
2022-02-28 17:15:20	oriba	let me try again
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2022-02-28 17:15:38	Scimmia	debug has been an option in makepkg for quite a few years
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2022-02-28 17:17:33	oriba	maybe I did something wrong, tried it again and it works. Maybe I had added my own option and used a comma instead of space, and THEN used makepkg, forgetting that I already added the comma ;-)
2022-02-28 17:17:39	Justice	Im trying to connect my bt earphones but I'm getting; src/adv_monitor.c:btd_adv_monitor_offload_supported() Manager is NULL, get offload support failed
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2022-02-28 17:18:16	Justice	I read that there was a kernel bug that should have "fixed" but I am running the latest 5.16.11-arch1-1 that should have contained the fix.
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2022-02-28 17:19:15	oriba	Scimmia: so, I think it works now, as justz mentioned I may have changed befor trying makepkg the first time, so touched the PKGBUILD and forgot it :-(
2022-02-28 17:19:47	oriba	Scimmia: now I get this message: "ERROR: One or more PGP signatures could not be verified!"
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2022-02-28 17:20:07	Scimmia	that one's covered in the wiki
2022-02-28 17:20:18	oriba	ok, will look there, thx
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2022-02-28 17:27:20	oriba	Scimmia: ok, solved :-)   compiling now :-)
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2022-02-28 17:27:49	oriba	but got a warning: "==> WARNING: Package contains reference to $srcdir"
2022-02-28 17:28:11	Scimmia	that can happen, isn't always a problem
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2022-02-28 17:49:13	ℹ 	Spritzgebaeck es conocido ahora como derandereshibumi
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2022-02-28 17:55:23	GuiToris	I updated my system and something happened with my font. Even in the browser: https://i.imgur.com/JVa6fCG.png
2022-02-28 17:55:29	GuiToris	The r looks weird
2022-02-28 17:55:33	GuiToris	how can I revert the changes?
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2022-02-28 17:55:54	ℹ 	derandereshibumi es conocido ahora como Spritzgebaeck
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2022-02-28 17:56:21	GuiToris	I'm just hoping I don't have to know what the old font was
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2022-02-28 17:56:58	GuiToris	but even the terminal looks strange
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2022-02-28 17:59:57	cq-work	Seems fine to me
2022-02-28 18:00:01	cq-work	Unless I'm missing something
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2022-02-28 18:00:29	Namarrgon	did you set the monospace, serif and sans-serif aliases to anything?
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2022-02-28 18:01:07	Namarrgon	if not then packages that contain fontconfig configs will do that for you
2022-02-28 18:01:19	GuiToris	Are updates authorized to replace system fonts?
2022-02-28 18:01:21	Namarrgon	and they probably have different tastes than you
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2022-02-28 18:01:35	Namarrgon	that's the wrong question
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2022-02-28 18:05:49	GuiToris	is there a default font in Arch? I checked and mine is currently set to Noto Sans 10pt
2022-02-28 18:05:55	Khorne	No
2022-02-28 18:06:16	Namarrgon	no, if you didn't write any configs the installed packages will decide which of the installed fonts to use
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2022-02-28 18:06:36	GuiToris	got it :(
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2022-03-01 18:15:02	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-03-01 18:15:02	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1518 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1518 normals)
2022-03-01 11:59:44	TheDcoder	I noticed that it has + and no other process has it
2022-03-01 12:04:31	Khorne	That just means foreground
2022-03-01 12:06:35	TheDcoder	Khorne: what does foreground mean in this context?
2022-03-01 12:07:49	jelle	TheDcoder: any reason you can't reboot?
2022-03-01 12:08:08	TheDcoder	jelle: not really, going to do it now
2022-03-01 12:09:22	Khorne	Well, it's not in the background, so interactive?
2022-03-01 12:09:43	Khorne	I also doubt it'd be the only process really 
2022-03-01 12:10:00	TheDcoder	Khorne: I see...
2022-03-01 12:10:16	TheDcoder	lmao
2022-03-01 12:10:34	TheDcoder	systemd-shutdown is waiting for mpv
2022-03-01 12:10:59	TheDcoder	it failed to stop my user session
2022-03-01 12:11:24	TheDcoder	Reached target System Power Off
2022-03-01 12:11:33	Earnestly	[ ] Reliable shutdown
2022-03-01 12:11:40	TheDcoder	but after that it's waiting for mpv
2022-03-01 12:11:47	Earnestly	It should eventually kill it
2022-03-01 12:11:52	Khorne	It'll end it eventually
2022-03-01 12:11:52	TheDcoder	and again
2022-03-01 12:12:10	TheDcoder	how long though?
2022-03-01 12:12:17	Khorne	Usually 90seconds
2022-03-01 12:12:31	Earnestly	This interval is configurable iirc
2022-03-01 12:13:02	Khorne	It should also list the time in the journal output during shutdown
2022-03-01 12:13:14	Earnestly	The more robust termination tends to follow: SIGSTOP -> SIGTERM -> SIGCONT ... wait for some timeout ... SIGKILL
2022-03-01 12:13:21	TheDcoder	Finally, it's down
2022-03-01 12:13:35	sunyibo	how can I find out if my BIOS supports UEFI?
2022-03-01 12:13:47	Khorne	If it's a BIOS it doesn't
2022-03-01 12:13:56	TheDcoder	The dog didn't die easy
2022-03-01 12:14:04	sunyibo	how can I find out if my laptop supports UEFI?
2022-03-01 12:14:23	Khorne	Is it newer than 10 years?
2022-03-01 12:14:28	TheDcoder	sunyibo: check for legacy options in your BIOS
2022-03-01 12:14:44	TheDcoder	if it has them then you have UEFI
2022-03-01 12:14:49	Earnestly	The only way you can do this is to boot a live system and check
2022-03-01 12:15:04	Earnestly	Sometimes the BIOS gives you clues, but this isn't guaranteed
2022-03-01 12:15:12	Khorne	Earnestly, yes, but also no.. efivarfs doesn't show up if booted in compatibility mode
2022-03-01 12:15:34	TheDcoder	Yes, best way is to boot into a live system in UEFI mode
2022-03-01 12:15:35	sunyibo	it's toschiba portege m910. it was found at a university, so I'm not sure about the age
2022-03-01 12:15:47	Earnestly	Khorne: This is true, but then the BIOS might have clues so this is something I'd look at next
2022-03-01 12:16:06	Earnestly	Can't you do basic research sunyibo?  Google such things
2022-03-01 12:16:10	Earnestly	You even have spec numbers
2022-03-01 12:16:24	Earnestly	You can look up PDF docs for the model, it might even tell you directly
2022-03-01 12:16:27	TheDcoder	sunyibo: check for legacy settings in BIOS
2022-03-01 12:16:40	TheDcoder	most UEFI also have secure boot options
2022-03-01 12:17:21	Khorne	TheDcoder, it's not BIOS if it's an UEFI machine
2022-03-01 12:17:33	Khorne	Firmware Setup
2022-03-01 12:17:56	sunyibo	I guess it's from 2009
2022-03-01 12:17:57	TheDcoder	Khorne: It's a colloquial term
2022-03-01 12:18:13	Khorne	TheDcoder, it's a misnomer depending on circumstances
2022-03-01 12:18:16	TheDcoder	everyone calls it BIOS :P
2022-03-01 12:18:34	Khorne	It's still wrong.
2022-03-01 12:18:49	TheDcoder	Yup, just like many other oxymorons
2022-03-01 12:19:01	Khorne	sunyibo, boot into the firmware setup, look for the aforementioned options, Secure Boot, Legacy Mode, Compatibility Mode, CSM or such
2022-03-01 12:19:18	TheDcoder	alright guys, bye
2022-03-01 12:19:42	sunyibo	Compatibility mode only for SATA Controller Mode.
2022-03-01 12:20:22	sunyibo	I'm at the end of a LVM on LUKS arch install. Do I have to start over or can I just switch the boot from UEFI to BIOS?
2022-03-01 12:20:53	Khorne	Yea you can
2022-03-01 12:21:00	Khorne	The only thing that changes is the bootloader
2022-03-01 12:21:12	sunyibo	thanks!
2022-03-01 12:21:38	Khorne	And maybe where the boot partition is if you setup ESP as /boot
2022-03-01 12:22:00	sunyibo	So I can boot the machine with a Ubuntu install USB and see if it goes into UEFI or BIOS?
2022-03-01 12:23:12	Khorne	If you are booted in the arch iso check uh uf /sys/firmware/efi/efivars exists
2022-03-01 12:23:41	Khorne	If it doesn't you are at the very least not currently booted in UEFI mode
2022-03-01 12:23:42	sunyibo	thanks
2022-03-01 12:24:20	sunyibo	how should the specs tell me if the machine has something that might not have been invented at that time?
2022-03-01 12:24:42	Earnestly	By their absence
2022-03-01 12:24:52	Khorne	Also UEFI has been around longer than 2009..
2022-03-01 12:27:24	sunyibo	so, /sys/firmware/efi/ does not exist from the arch usb live
2022-03-01 12:28:55	sunyibo	anyway. Thanks for your help!
2022-03-01 13:26:45	JYPDWhite	Hi, does anyone knows how to fix this message in journalctl "ACPI group/action undefined: thermal_zone / LNXTHERM:00"  I get this message every second 
2022-03-01 13:28:25	colo	hm, weird. can you check if your machine is running abnormally hot?
2022-03-01 13:32:50	JYPDWhite	colo: cpu is at about 60C
2022-03-01 13:33:14	JYPDWhite	gpu at about 55
2022-03-01 13:33:36	jelle	it's not related
2022-03-01 13:34:36	Namarrgon	60°C is a bit high for idle, even if the acpi event is unrelated
2022-03-01 13:34:42	Namarrgon	laptop?
2022-03-01 13:34:47	JYPDWhite	yes laptop
2022-03-01 13:35:11	JYPDWhite	xmg a504 (clevo barebone) produced by schenker 
2022-03-01 13:47:06	JYPDWhite	Is my theory correct that there is some sensor in my laptop which is reporting a temperature and my system don't know how to handle the value?
2022-03-01 13:49:02	jelle	JYPDWhite: check sensors
2022-03-01 13:49:20	jelle	(the command)
2022-03-01 13:49:48	Namarrgon	does the reported device exist in /sys/bus/acpi/devices?
2022-03-01 13:50:15	Namarrgon	the sensor itself is probably fine but acpi is trying to report something the kernel doesn't handle
2022-03-01 13:50:23	Tom^	isnt that just /etc/acpi/handler.sh printing, and it doesnt have anything handled for thermal_zone
2022-03-01 13:50:31	Khorne	Did you install acpid?
2022-03-01 13:50:34	Khorne	Yea..
2022-03-01 13:50:56	Tom^	so more of the kernel is generating an acpi "event" that handler.sh isnt handling.
2022-03-01 14:16:45	JYPDWhite	Tom^: yes the directory /sys/bus/acpi/devices/LNXTHERM:00/ exists. 
2022-03-01 14:17:10	JYPDWhite	!paste
2022-03-01 14:17:10	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-03-01 14:17:40	Tom^	JYPDWhite: yeah but open /etc/acpi/handler.sh nothing in there is handling thermal_zone
2022-03-01 14:18:02	Tom^	JYPDWhite: so all it does is hit the line 73 , logger "ACPI group/action undefined: $1 / $2"
2022-03-01 14:18:12	Tom^	JYPDWhite: prints to dmesg. and is done with it.
2022-03-01 14:18:27	JYPDWhite	jelle: https://bpa.st/7WDA
2022-03-01 14:18:29	phrik	Title: View paste 7WDA (at bpa.st)
2022-03-01 14:19:05	jelle	hot
2022-03-01 14:27:17	Earnestly	Age of Mythology OST is hot
2022-03-01 14:34:28	JYPDWhite	so there is nothing I can do except modifying handler.sh to not print this event to dmesg?
2022-03-01 14:35:08	jelle	JYPDWhite: why do you have acpid :o
2022-03-01 14:38:25	JYPDWhite	jelle: I don't really know. I removed it now and pacman did not reported any dependency which blocks the removal. So I will see what stopped working now :D
2022-03-01 14:38:39	JYPDWhite	maybe some of the special keys (FN) 
2022-03-01 14:38:58	Khorne	Doubtful
2022-03-01 15:20:42	captex	gday all of you
2022-03-01 15:22:55	captex	I have installed hplip to manage printer and scanner bat in archlinux do not give information about printe and cartridge
2022-03-01 15:23:38	captex	hplip good working in manjaro
2022-03-01 15:23:51	Strykar	reinstalled Arch on a new SSD, gamed the last week as usual on an Nvidia GPU, just realized it's running Wayland not X today. Games appear to work fine :D
2022-03-01 15:24:11	captex	have somebody any solution ??
2022-03-01 15:29:34	Bayes	extra/libreoffice-fresh from 7.3.0-5 to 7.3.0-6: download size 137.95Mb oops
2022-03-01 15:32:05	Bayes	looking forward to kernel 5.17, might fix knock off bluetooth dongles
2022-03-01 15:32:43	Khorne	captex, which printer is it?
2022-03-01 15:33:18	captex	it hp envy 6030 printer all in one
2022-03-01 15:35:23	captex	khorne - i found new vwrsio of hplip 3.22.2 bat it is installable for manjaro only
2022-03-01 15:35:39	captex	and other linux system
2022-03-01 15:36:07	Khorne	That version is in the testing repo for arch
2022-03-01 15:38:19	captex	khorne - tks for your suggestion wich repo are testing are best to abilitate ??
2022-03-01 15:38:50	Khorne	Sorry, what?
2022-03-01 15:39:56	captex	korne - wich repo i have to add ?sorry for my poor english
2022-03-01 15:40:28	lf94	Is there a way to install ungoogled-chromium?
2022-03-01 15:40:31	captex	archlinuxfr testing or other
2022-03-01 15:40:54	lf94	(I'm on a fresh install, easier to ask here then use lynx)
2022-03-01 15:41:06	jelle	lf94: it's in the AUR probably, but I would recommend just using chromium
2022-03-01 15:41:30	lf94	I use it out of principle
2022-03-01 15:41:36	Khorne	captex, neither, wait for it to move to the core repos
2022-03-01 15:41:41	lf94	How do I access the AUR again? It's been almost a decade
2022-03-01 15:42:06	jelle	"out of principle" ??
2022-03-01 15:42:06	lf94	yogurt or something iirc
2022-03-01 15:42:29	lf94	jelle: ungoogled-chromium is chromium without google code.
2022-03-01 15:43:10	jelle	lf94: if you don't login to google in chromium it's the same
2022-03-01 15:43:29	lf94	No, chromium still uses google resources and other things.
2022-03-01 15:43:49	Khorne	And ungoogled-chromium still uses chromium
2022-03-01 15:43:55	Khorne	Use Firefox instead
2022-03-01 15:43:56	jelle	anyway, good luck :)
2022-03-01 15:43:59	lf94	Firefox is dead
2022-03-01 15:44:40	lf94	I've used ungoogled-chromium for a year - it's been just fine :)
2022-03-01 15:44:42	toinux	yay => yet another yogurt
2022-03-01 15:45:10	toinux	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/yay-bin
2022-03-01 15:45:12	lf94	Ok but actually, how do I use AUR to get it? I was kidding about yogurt - it's yaourt or something^
2022-03-01 15:45:14	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - yay-bin (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-03-01 15:45:25	Khorne	!give lf94 aw makepkg
2022-03-01 15:45:27	phrik	lf94: Makepkg - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Makepkg
2022-03-01 15:45:28	toinux	clone the repo, makepkg -si
2022-03-01 15:45:36	toinux	voila
2022-03-01 15:45:41	jelle	toinux: don't recommend yay-bin...
2022-03-01 15:45:43	lf94	Is it not in AUR?
2022-03-01 15:45:45	Khorne	Enjoy building chromium every other week
2022-03-01 15:45:55	lf94	Khorne: I don't, because it's unnecessary to
2022-03-01 15:46:05	Khorne	Sorry, enjoy building ungoogled-chromium every other week
2022-03-01 15:46:11	lf94	Khorne: I don't, because it's unnecessary to
2022-03-01 15:46:24	lf94	Your negativity is not very nice :)
2022-03-01 15:46:25	Khorne	lf94, the AUR package is not a binary package
2022-03-01 15:46:32	Khorne	So you have to actually build chromium
2022-03-01 15:46:45	toinux	jelle I recommend what I use but if you have reasons to don't recommend and don't use it let me know
2022-03-01 15:46:47	lf94	Building it once every few months is ok
2022-03-01 15:46:52	jelle	lf94: if you know everything why do you ask :)
2022-03-01 15:47:07	lf94	jelle: I'm literally asking how to use AUR
2022-03-01 15:47:13	Khorne	lf94, you've been told
2022-03-01 15:47:52	Hello71	modern browsers are very secure, i'm sure there will be absolutely no problem with not updating for several months
2022-03-01 15:47:56	lf94	Khorne: I presume the link to makepkg is "me being told"
2022-03-01 15:48:02	Scimmia	!!give lf94 aur2
2022-03-01 15:48:02	phrik	Scimmia: Say what?
2022-03-01 15:48:07	Khorne	lf94, correct
2022-03-01 15:48:15	jelle	Hello71: this is 100% uncorrect
2022-03-01 15:48:20	Scimmia	anyway, lf94, read the aur wiki page
2022-03-01 15:48:29	lf94	o7
2022-03-01 15:48:36	Hello71	what is this "CVE" you speak of
2022-03-01 15:49:02	Khorne	No sandbox, no problems
2022-03-01 15:49:12	Earnestly	sea veeeee
2022-03-01 15:58:00	jonathon	sandboxes are always full of cat poo anyway, don't want them
2022-03-01 15:58:40	randomhydrosol	what
2022-03-01 15:58:42	randomhydrosol	xd
2022-03-01 16:00:23	JYPDWhite	cu all :-)
2022-03-01 16:00:30	jonathon	o/
2022-03-01 16:14:25	avN0	hey all, I got a soundblaster and every time some1 is talking (ex. discord/teamspeak) the volume of other sources (ex. mpd) is lowered down
2022-03-01 16:15:09	avN0	Is there a setting? Found nothing so far and this is driving me insane
2022-03-01 16:23:46	MrElendig	avN0: should be one in discord
2022-03-01 16:25:04	MrElendig	avN0: settings -> audio and video -> attenuation
2022-03-01 16:29:34	stef204	hi, i can't figure out how to redirect pam debug to a log file.  it's currently sending output to stderr but useless that way
2022-03-01 16:34:35	avN0	MrElendig: Thx, will look into that. Attenuation is the term
2022-03-01 16:35:01	MrElendig	avN0: drag the slider to 0% and/or uncheck both the checkboxes
2022-03-01 16:35:06	MrElendig	or adjust to your liking
2022-03-01 16:35:16	MrElendig	teamspeak probably have a similar setting
2022-03-01 16:37:46	avN0	MrElendig: Found another forum with your help. The thing is for Teamspeak I have already deactivated the setting and I still see the same behaviour
2022-03-01 16:46:36	Namarrgon	avN0: are you using pulseaudio or pipewire?
2022-03-01 16:46:55	Namarrgon	pa has a "cork" module that mutes other audio during voice calls
2022-03-01 16:49:40	avN0	Namarrgon: pulse 
2022-03-01 16:49:40	avN0	 
2022-03-01 16:50:56	avN0	Namarrgon: It's not completly muted but volume is just lowered, can this still be the source?
2022-03-01 16:51:40	avN0	In alsamixer what is "FX: crystalizer" and "FX: dialog plus"?
2022-03-01 16:54:39	Namarrgon	flip them and see what happens
2022-03-01 16:54:59	Namarrgon	no, cork only mutes the audio completely or doesn't, no inbetweens
2022-03-01 16:55:14	avN0	Ok, cork is not the prob, thx!
2022-03-01 16:56:27	avN0	Both are not responsible for attenuation at least...
2022-03-01 16:58:47	avN0	It seems like teamspeak does not support attenuation at all
2022-03-01 16:59:14	avN0	And without the soundcard I don't have the problem
2022-03-01 17:13:18	sunyibo	so my laptop seems unable to support UEFI. Is it easier to go MBR/BIOS or GPT/BIOS?
2022-03-01 17:15:11	Namarrgon	do you need to boot another OS from the same disk?
2022-03-01 17:15:24	Namarrgon	e.g. windows does not support GPT/BIOS
2022-03-01 17:15:27	sunyibo	nope
2022-03-01 17:15:35	Namarrgon	which laptop is this?
2022-03-01 17:15:45	sunyibo	toshiba portege m901
2022-03-01 17:18:37	Namarrgon	core2duo?
2022-03-01 17:18:47	sunyibo	centrino
2022-03-01 17:19:19	Namarrgon	then it likely does not support uefi, yes
2022-03-01 17:20:15	sunyibo	thanks. So should I go MBR/BIOS or GPT/BIOS?
2022-03-01 17:20:40	Namarrgon	how large is the disk?
2022-03-01 17:20:42	sunyibo	is there a tool on the live arch iso to show hardware info? As in core2duo?
2022-03-01 17:20:47	sunyibo	Disk is 128 GB
2022-03-01 17:20:51	Namarrgon	i'd try gpt first, it has fewer limitations
2022-03-01 17:20:59	sunyibo	thanks
2022-03-01 17:21:14	Namarrgon	i don't know if dmidecode is installed but for the cpu you can just ask 'lscpu'
2022-03-01 17:21:48	Namarrgon	if you planned to use grub on gpt then read the wiki carefully
2022-03-01 17:21:49	sunyibo	so it's core2duo
2022-03-01 17:21:57	sunyibo	I did plan.
2022-03-01 17:22:18	sunyibo	I even wanted to encrypt the root drive. I'm curbing my enthusiasm
2022-03-01 17:22:40	Earnestly	Slowly starting to think zfs is necessary for archive purposes
2022-03-01 17:23:06	sunyibo	Is there a "better" bootloader for gpt/bios?
2022-03-01 17:23:33	Earnestly	no
2022-03-01 17:23:45	Earnestly	dm-integrity hmm
2022-03-01 17:24:08	avN0	Is it possible that pulseaudio flat-volumes is the source for this attenuation?
2022-03-01 17:24:47	oramirite	Hey everyone. I'm looking for some opinions on how to set up a nice tight archiso profile, that includes some files in the airootfs folder that will change quite frequently. It's actually a bash script I wrote as well as some custom systemd units. I would essentially like to maintain these files separately from the archiso profile folder structure because the idea is they aren't necessarily
2022-03-01 17:24:47	oramirite	archiso specific and will be 
2022-03-01 17:24:47	oramirite	edited to work in other distros soon.
2022-03-01 17:25:23	oramirite	I don't see a fantastic way of kicking off scripted procedures like a git pull during an archiso build so just wondering if anyone has any good suggestions on how to manage some out-of-tree files like this while still having a build process that pulls them into the iso
2022-03-01 17:25:36	oramirite	sorry for the run-on :P
2022-03-01 17:26:55	oramirite	TLDR: What's a good way to pull some bespoke files into the filesystem of an archiso build without having to keep them in the airootfs folder?
2022-03-01 17:31:08	sunyibo	is there a way to see the motherboard model from the archlinux live iso?
2022-03-01 17:31:45	jelle	sunyibo: dmidecode most likely
2022-03-01 17:33:15	MacGyver	dmidecode -t 2
2022-03-01 17:37:07	nl6720	unfortunately there's no dmidecode in the iso
2022-03-01 17:37:45	jelle	nl6720: that can be installed though :)
2022-03-01 17:38:16	nl6720	yes. seeing as it only depends on glibc, that shouldn't be an issue
2022-03-01 17:41:27	Hello71	grep . /sys/class/dmi/id/*
2022-03-01 17:41:34	Earnestly	Someone else gets it https://practicaltypography.com/ligatures-in-programming-fonts-hell-no.html
2022-03-01 17:41:36	phrik	Title: Ligatures in programming fonts | Butterick’s Practical Typography (at practicaltypography.com)
2022-03-01 17:41:56	Hello71	or dmesg | grep DMI
2022-03-01 17:42:09	Warepire	Count me in as well as "getting it" regarding ligatures in programming.
2022-03-01 17:46:16	MacGyver	My hackles rise at the "proper" equality glyphs.
2022-03-01 17:46:21	MacGyver	Let alone the rest.
2022-03-01 17:56:14	Earnestly	Is it reasonable to have one large disk and then a bunch of smaller ones acting as redundancy for it?
2022-03-01 17:56:29	Earnestly	(Where the total capacity of smaller ones > large disk)
2022-03-01 17:57:00	Earnestly	I suppose the smaller ones could be jbod'd
2022-03-01 17:57:04	MacGyver	As in, a raid1-setup with the smaller ones jbod'd?
2022-03-01 17:57:21	MacGyver	I don't see why not, though your redundancy is obviously more likely to fail than the big disk.
2022-03-01 17:59:04	Earnestly	Well that's the thing.  Can a member of the jbod detect corruption and be replaced while still acting as redundancy.  If main disk fails, then replacing the large one can be rebuilt from the smaller ones
2022-03-01 17:59:24	Earnestly	Essentially using jbod as pool of data for error correction
2022-03-01 17:59:41	Earnestly	(in theory this disk could be smaller, i.e. SR)
2022-03-01 17:59:42	MrElendig	could 1 on top of 0/5, that used to be popular back in the day
2022-03-01 18:08:41	MacGyver	Earnestly: If one member of the jbod fails, I'd expect the entire jbod to fail for the purposes of the RAID using it.
2022-03-01 18:09:11	MacGyver	Not "You have a hole in the middle but the other two disks are still written to as normal".
2022-03-01 18:09:58	Earnestly	MacGyver: Yes, that's what I suspect
2022-03-01 18:13:16	Earnestly	It's a little annoying that there isn't a kind of raid that doesn't have full redundancy
2022-03-01 18:13:32	MrElendig	considering the disk prices these days I would pick up a new spinner or two
2022-03-01 18:13:53	Earnestly	reedsolomon doesn't need a full copy, of course the tradeoff is that only some correction is possible
2022-03-01 18:14:12	Earnestly	Yes
2022-03-01 18:14:48	Earnestly	Can probably even get cheap job lots of sas drives
2022-03-01 18:15:02	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-03-01 18:15:14	Hello71	well part of the issue is that raid is normally underneath standard filesystems which typically cannot cope with "some" metadata missing
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2022-03-01 18:15:55	Earnestly	(Assuming ECC and stuff like zfs)
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2022-03-01 18:16:58	Hello71	smarter filesystems could, but zfs famously can't handle flexible storage arrangements, btrfs is unreliable enough that you might as well use raid0, and bcachefs is still not terribly stable
2022-03-01 18:17:22	MrElendig	btrfs raid1 is pretty decent
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2022-03-01 18:17:31	MrElendig	5/6 is still "nope"
2022-03-01 18:17:35	Earnestly	Yeah, I generally depend on borg for integrity and multiple copies
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2022-03-01 18:17:49	Earnestly	borg can't heal, naturally
2022-03-01 18:19:55	Earnestly	Generally encryption is quite good for this as a free consequence
2022-03-01 18:20:07	Earnestly	(authenticated encryption)
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2022-03-01 18:21:29	MacGyver	Well except authenticated encryption will also just tell you shit's gone awry.
2022-03-01 18:21:36	MacGyver	And now you can't even recover *part* of the data.
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2022-03-01 18:21:58	MacGyver	(You should encrypt your disks, no question.)
2022-03-01 18:22:04	Khorne	Earnestly, shouldn't you be able to create a zraid vdev and a zraid single disk and mirror those to each other? :think:
2022-03-01 18:22:12	MacGyver	(But it doesn't exactly make the data recovery proposition easier.)
2022-03-01 18:22:22	Khorne	Eh..
2022-03-01 18:22:35	Khorne	zraid vdev out of your smaller disks and a vdev with your large disk
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2022-03-01 18:22:54	Earnestly	Khorne: The question is if one of those small disks dies
2022-03-01 18:23:23	Earnestly	It's curious to me that this dm-integrity stuff isn't used so much, or doesn't seem to have as much fanfair
2022-03-01 18:24:06	Khorne	Earnestly, should be testable with files as 'disks'
2022-03-01 18:24:13	Earnestly	Also /proc/crypto doesn't have b2sum yet (although b3sum is crazy fast, because much fewer rounds.  b2sum might be too paranoid)
2022-03-01 18:24:21	Earnestly	Yeah true point
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2022-03-01 18:26:01	Earnestly	At least it has hmacs
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2022-03-01 18:27:02	Earnestly	https://securitypitfalls.wordpress.com/2018/05/08/raid-doesnt-work/ some nice examples, mucking about with files and purposeful dd corruption
2022-03-01 18:27:03	phrik	Title: RAID doesn’t work! | securitypitfalls (at securitypitfalls.wordpress.com)
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2022-03-01 18:28:09	demize	Earnestly: I would guess that a lot of that is the lack of presence in documentation.  Most people probably don't even know about its existence.
2022-03-01 18:28:34	Earnestly	I agree
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2022-03-01 18:30:24	Earnestly	integrity + raid6, more metadata than data
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2022-03-01 18:30:24	Earnestly	redundancy for redundancy so you can repair corruption while repairing arrays
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2022-03-01 18:31:45	demize	And like, if someone googles it they'll first come to the official documentation which... doesn't really help much? https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/device-mapper/dm-integrity.html
2022-03-01 18:31:46	phrik	Title: dm-integrity — The Linux Kernel documentation (at www.kernel.org)
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2022-03-01 18:32:38	demize	At least cryptsetup has integritysetup now, but last time I looked at dm-integrity, that wasn't a thing.
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2022-03-01 18:44:15	demize	I wonder how long it'll be until the LUKS2 dm-integrity support is marked stable, hm.
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2022-03-01 18:44:52	Khorne	Earnestly, ah right, you can't toplevel mirror, boo
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2022-03-01 19:21:41	Earnestly	Khorne: Basically it  would be nice, perhaps not useful enough, to have small backing disks that just contain some configured amount of ECC data used to repair main disks
2022-03-01 19:22:13	Earnestly	Without having to sacrifice storage as much while having use for lots of smaller, low performance disks
2022-03-01 19:23:39	Earnestly	(Also a use for the blasted things)
2022-03-01 19:29:01	gloomy	Hey, I'm trying to figure out how to turn the keyboard backlight on and off programmatically. It doesn't look like the device shows up in /sys/class/leds. There's a key on the keyboard that triggers the backlight, and wireshark shows that it sends a usb packet on press, but xev doesn't show anything. Not sure where to go from here?
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2022-03-01 19:31:06	Earnestly	You look at QMK and OpenRGB
2022-03-01 19:31:11	gloomy	Heh, tried connecting the keyboard to a usb power supply and the key still turns the lights on and off, so I guess it's all handled on the keyboard and probably no way to set it from the computer...
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2022-03-01 19:31:19	Earnestly	Yes
2022-03-01 19:31:25	Earnestly	Unless ^
2022-03-01 19:31:25	gloomy	OpenRGB doesn't recognize it, googling QMK 
2022-03-01 19:31:44	Earnestly	Sometimes you have to flash the firmware to use QMK so that openrgb can use it
2022-03-01 19:31:58	Earnestly	openrgb has ported qmk to a few cheaper keyboards
2022-03-01 19:32:02	Earnestly	unofficially
2022-03-01 19:33:01	gloomy	Doesn't look like it, it's from havit a cheap chinese keyboard brand
2022-03-01 19:33:09	gloomy	sad
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2022-03-01 19:49:49	thurstylark	from my experience with havit gear, you're probably correct
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2022-03-02 18:35:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-03-02 18:35:06	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1515 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1515 normals)
2022-03-02 10:24:09	rabbitnightmare	It's the most invasive shit I've ever seen
2022-03-02 10:24:39	Ingar	rabbitnightmare: can't you jsut set your grub entry as default and forget about the windows entry ?
2022-03-02 10:24:44	Khorne	Yea, it's definitely Windows oding that on not your UEFI..
2022-03-02 10:24:53	rabbitnightmare	Yeah i saved, hit f8 and it's in the goddamn menu
2022-03-02 10:25:17	rabbitnightmare	Windows isn't even on the system
2022-03-02 10:25:25	Khorne	Yes, exactly
2022-03-02 10:26:11	rabbitnightmare	Micron_2200v_MTFD... Windows Boot Manager
2022-03-02 10:26:16	rabbitnightmare	That's the ssd
2022-03-02 10:26:39	rabbitnightmare	Does cfdisk not remove all partitions?
2022-03-02 10:26:52	ds	can't confirm/deny anything because I never bothered to check why, but my asus board is similarly annoying to control the boot menu of. it seems to have overly agressive caching for drive entries even after you pull the drive, saving anything often takes 2 tries etc
2022-03-02 10:27:37	rabbitnightmare	Ok it's a 512gb drive and there seems to be a hidden partition
2022-03-02 10:27:45	rabbitnightmare	How do i access it to delete it
2022-03-02 10:28:15	rabbitnightmare	That's new information
2022-03-02 10:28:29	rabbitnightmare	Lsblk doesn't show it
2022-03-02 10:28:31	Namarrgon	there is no hidden partition, the firmware adds the entry back on its own
2022-03-02 10:28:46	rabbitnightmare	Right but lsblk isn't showing the whole drive
2022-03-02 10:29:03	rabbitnightmare	It says 476gb, and it's a 512 drive
2022-03-02 10:29:11	Khorne	lol
2022-03-02 10:29:13	Namarrgon	email the asus customer support, this is nothing to do with arch
2022-03-02 10:29:14	rabbitnightmare	Something is hidden
2022-03-02 10:29:29	Khorne	rabbitnightmare, yes the conversion between gibibytes and gigabytes
2022-03-02 10:29:38	ds	also effective != actual
2022-03-02 10:30:30	rabbitnightmare	No you're not hearing me, there's a hidden partition
2022-03-02 10:30:37	Khorne	How do you know?
2022-03-02 10:30:41	rabbitnightmare	How do i wipe the drive
2022-03-02 10:30:52	rabbitnightmare	Because the bios tells me it is
2022-03-02 10:31:03	ds	the bios only sees boot entries, not partitions
2022-03-02 10:31:05	rabbitnightmare	But Arch isn't showing it
2022-03-02 10:31:05	selckin	rabbitnightmare: efi can be stored in flash on the motherboard
2022-03-02 10:31:38	rabbitnightmare	The efi says that the wbm is stored on the ssd
2022-03-02 10:32:03	rabbitnightmare	Cfdiso /dev/nvme0n1 doesn't wipe the entire drive
2022-03-02 10:32:06	Namarrgon	remove the disk and see what happens
2022-03-02 10:32:21	rabbitnightmare	I'll do it tomorrow if that's the case
2022-03-02 10:32:34	rabbitnightmare	Was hoping something in software would do it
2022-03-02 10:32:54	ds	i suspect the efi has an old entry that once *pointed to* the ssd, rather than wbm being /on/ the ssd still
2022-03-02 10:33:28	ds	you could pull all the drives from the system and it still might show wbm
2022-03-02 10:33:47	rabbitnightmare	Ok
2022-03-02 10:34:13	rabbitnightmare	I'll take things to bits tomorrow
2022-03-02 10:39:02	rabbitnightmare	I like the new archinstall script by the way
2022-03-02 10:39:24	rabbitnightmare	Very well done
2022-03-02 10:41:18	rabbitnightmare	I got the system used, it had windows 11 on it from what i gathered, he had formatted it before selling it to me
2022-03-02 10:41:43	rabbitnightmare	I'm like that's fine i use Linux anyway
2022-03-02 10:42:36	rabbitnightmare	Let's see if archinstall works
2022-03-02 10:42:42	rabbitnightmare	I did it the old way
2022-03-02 10:45:20	rabbitnightmare	That really simplifies a lot
2022-03-02 10:49:24	kek_	hi
2022-03-02 10:49:59	rabbitnightmare	Invalid signature, that's new
2022-03-02 10:50:18	kek_	I try to update anki (AUR). It tells me pacman can't install "python-stringcase". While there might be no explicit python case, the dependency is fullfileld ia pip. Can I somehow "link" it?
2022-03-02 10:50:20	rabbitnightmare	Oh i reset the bios
2022-03-02 10:50:37	rabbitnightmare	Oh my gosh wbm is gone
2022-03-02 10:50:51	rabbitnightmare	Archintsall fixed it!!!!
2022-03-02 10:51:01	Namarrgon	kek_: no, pacman doesn't interact with pypi
2022-03-02 10:51:05	rabbitnightmare	Says Linux boot manager
2022-03-02 10:51:26	Namarrgon	kek_: manually installing python packages system-wide is a bad idea anyway
2022-03-02 10:51:38	rabbitnightmare	Oh my gosh it worked
2022-03-02 10:52:12	rabbitnightmare	Everything works OMG
2022-03-02 10:52:30	kek_	Namarrgon, I mean I usually use virtual env. or --user flag for pip. I learned that lesson the hard way :P I just try to no use too many aur packages.
2022-03-02 10:52:30	rabbitnightmare	I heard archinstall was buggy and it never worked on anything I've installed arch on
2022-03-02 10:53:07	jelle	don't believe everything youtubers say
2022-03-02 10:53:14	rabbitnightmare	Wait... Discover works out of the box now???????
2022-03-02 10:53:20	rabbitnightmare	What
2022-03-02 10:53:29	rabbitnightmare	Since when
2022-03-02 10:53:45	rabbitnightmare	That's exciting
2022-03-02 10:54:41	labrador	Discover is buggy
2022-03-02 10:54:47	labrador	Like always
2022-03-02 10:54:53	rabbitnightmare	Yeah that's why I'm surprised it works
2022-03-02 10:55:20	rabbitnightmare	Does archinstall pull packages for discover
2022-03-02 10:57:54	rabbitnightmare	144 hz working, normally i have to specify that
2022-03-02 11:00:20	rabbitnightmare	Thanks for listening to me. I should have tried the installer before, I'm just used to installing it by hand it's just second nature by now
2022-03-02 11:01:42	bookworm	you're doing something seriously wrong then if you constantly reinstall Arch ;)
2022-03-02 11:02:15	selckin	good for learning
2022-03-02 11:02:43	colo	nah.
2022-03-02 11:03:50	Lartza	"Arch is unstable and breaks constantly" [2018-08-28 21:04] [PACMAN] Running 'pacman -Rns btrfs-progs vim'
2022-03-02 11:10:21	Khorne	Facts
2022-03-02 11:39:41	baltazar	hi! plasma's networkmanager applet has an option for creating a hotspot, but recently it stopped working for me
2022-03-02 11:39:56	baltazar	the network does get created, but devices seem to be unable to connect
2022-03-02 12:14:01	ZeroV1p3r	hello guys how are you today!
2022-03-02 12:17:21	wez	.o/
2022-03-02 12:17:27	wez	Pretty good ZeroV1p3r, yourself?
2022-03-02 12:17:42	ZeroV1p3r	i am not bad :) wez
2022-03-02 12:41:12	Earnestly	demonicmaniac1: nvidia has been surprise open sourced
2022-03-02 12:41:41	demonicmaniac1	i've seen them being hacked and the limiter removal published
2022-03-02 12:42:33	demonicmaniac1	doesn't help much with still requiring signed firmware though and the limiter only existing on the blob driver side
2022-03-02 12:42:42	Earnestly	demonicmaniac1: https://teddit.net/pics/w:null_07x1mqu2bok81.jpg
2022-03-02 12:42:55	Earnestly	YEah
2022-03-02 12:43:13	Earnestly	demonicmaniac1: Who knows, maybe keys are included in dump
2022-03-02 12:43:47	demonicmaniac1	that would be interesting
2022-03-02 12:43:59	demonicmaniac1	but i can't done cryptobro asshats
2022-03-02 12:44:04	demonicmaniac1	*condone
2022-03-02 12:44:10	Earnestly	Naturally
2022-03-02 12:44:45	thrice	the picture with linus is pretty cringe
2022-03-02 12:45:06	⚡ 	Earnestly faint sounds of lazy town *yar har* plays in the distance
2022-03-02 12:45:28	Earnestly	The words 'lol limewire' appear on the screen
2022-03-02 12:45:41	thrice	putting a malicious face on the opensource community, that is
2022-03-02 12:46:04	thrice	not that I like nvidia, but especially since they pay people to develop a linux driver
2022-03-02 12:46:08	Earnestly	It comes in all flavours
2022-03-02 12:46:41	Earnestly	Nvidia isn't my problem, it doesn't matter if plebs like us condone or otherwise the actions of random people we don't know
2022-03-02 12:46:41	demonicmaniac1	i can't decide if thats worse than the node idiots claiming corporations make money off of their 5 line npm snippets in the name of defending open source
2022-03-02 12:47:04	Earnestly	demonicmaniac1: Or that such corporations depend on 5 line npm snippets?
2022-03-02 12:47:07	demonicmaniac1	for opensource that is
2022-03-02 12:47:20	demonicmaniac1	was just referring to putting the linus image on that and trying to hijack that
2022-03-02 12:47:40	demonicmaniac1	naturally that node and npm is used is the main problem
2022-03-02 12:47:41	Earnestly	The 'let's control memes' boat sailed long ago
2022-03-02 12:47:56	thrice	Earnestly: how can you definitively say that?  people at nvidia are humans, if a "mob" pisses them off, it's pretty easy for them to take their ball and go home
2022-03-02 12:47:56	Earnestly	It's a bad one, so it'll die off
2022-03-02 12:48:05	Earnestly	thrice: That's fine
2022-03-02 12:48:15	thrice	I think your thinking is selfish
2022-03-02 12:48:21	thrice	there are many who need/rely on the driver
2022-03-02 12:48:23	Earnestly	It ought to be
2022-03-02 12:48:26	demonicmaniac1	i also read nvidia supposedly launched their counter attack and have the identities of plenty of the people
2022-03-02 12:48:31	Earnestly	Those who need nvidia can care
2022-03-02 12:48:41	Earnestly	Because they know best for their own purposes
2022-03-02 12:48:42	demonicmaniac1	so we'll see who lands in prison or suddenly disappears i suppose
2022-03-02 12:48:59	Earnestly	demonicmaniac1: That'd be entertaining
2022-03-02 12:49:22	Earnestly	It's hard to imagine that one can download over a TB of data without anyone noticing
2022-03-02 12:49:52	Earnestly	Especially of sensitive documents, that would additionally be stored in a more robust manner
2022-03-02 12:49:53	demonicmaniac1	https://www.techcircle.in/2022/02/28/nvidia-counter-hacks-ransomware-gang-but-the-group-had-already-backed-up-stolen-data
2022-03-02 12:49:54	phrik	Title: Nvidia counter-hacks ransomware gang, but the group had already backed up stolen data (at www.techcircle.in)
2022-03-02 12:49:56	demonicmaniac1	Earnestly: ^
2022-03-02 12:50:09	Earnestly	It's a shame that none of this is useful for nouveau
2022-03-02 12:50:15	demonicmaniac1	and lapsus went on to accuse nvidia of being criminals for hacking their ransomware server
2022-03-02 12:50:25	demonicmaniac1	you can't make that shit up
2022-03-02 12:50:25	⚡ 	jelle laughs
2022-03-02 12:50:28	Earnestly	hah
2022-03-02 12:51:34	kek_	hi, I updated my system today and now I can't rightclick on a device in bluetooth device manager anymore, I keep getting this error https://bpa.st/JPPQ anyone might have an idea what it is about? I also can't e.g. open it via blueman-applet => devices.
2022-03-02 12:51:35	phrik	Title: View paste JPPQ (at bpa.st)
2022-03-02 12:51:58	GuiToris	hi, does anyone else use (neo)mutt? I have a left bar with GMail Labels, is it possible to show the number of new messages there?
2022-03-02 12:52:14	jelle	anyway, the data obtained by nvidia's hacking is not useful for reverse engineering so it's all kinda pointless
2022-03-02 12:52:16	thrice	kek_: did you update python to 3.10, and not rebuild "blueman" ?
2022-03-02 12:52:42	thrice	wait, nvm, it's a community package
2022-03-02 12:52:43	Earnestly	blueman is in the repos though, hm
2022-03-02 12:52:50	Earnestly	Maybe packaging bug or partial update?
2022-03-02 12:53:31	Earnestly	jelle: The only thing of value is probably the LHR, which I despise on principle (firmware locks)
2022-03-02 12:53:43	Earnestly	But they're not giving that out, so useless all the more
2022-03-02 12:55:17	kek_	thrice, yeah I never build it manually, just reinstalled it. hmm, I'm not the best at it but  1-2h ago the update was rather big and it did involve the kernel and I think I never rebootet (can't remember, had to go away, so I guess I never did). Maybe that somehwo causes it?
2022-03-02 12:56:37	Khorne	GuiToris, yea, change the sidebar format
2022-03-02 12:56:49	Earnestly	kek_: The repos aren't synchronised so there is a window where you might get a newer version of extra vs. community.  Though its more common from partial upgrade
2022-03-02 12:57:04	Earnestly	kek_: Or packager forgot to rebuild package against newer version
2022-03-02 12:59:34	kek_	Earnestly, I doubt that, it seems actively maintained and I guess it's used quit a bit. I also just noticed that my sound seems to be broken in general. I'll reboot and try to fix it, brb. Thanks :)
2022-03-02 13:00:28	GuiToris	Khorne, ls: cannot access '/usr/share/doc/mutt/samples/sample.muttrc-sidebar': No such file or directory
2022-03-02 13:00:34	GuiToris	ls: cannot access '/usr/share/doc/neomutt/samples/sample.muttrc-sidebar': No such file or directory
2022-03-02 13:00:44	Khorne	And?
2022-03-02 13:00:54	GuiToris	I don't know what to follow :/
2022-03-02 13:01:12	GuiToris	all I have is 'set sidebar_visible = yes'
2022-03-02 13:01:17	jelle	GuiToris: follow your instincts
2022-03-02 13:01:27	Khorne	GuiToris, you didn't even specify whether you used mutt or neomutt
2022-03-02 13:02:08	kek_	Seems I really simply forgot to reboot after updating. Afaik an arch update in general doesn't need an reboot unless you update the kernel right? 
2022-03-02 13:02:19	GuiToris	It's been neomutt since 2017, something went wrong with mutt
2022-03-02 13:02:33	Khorne	Good, then man neomuttrc
2022-03-02 13:02:45	GuiToris	I'll check it out, thanks
2022-03-02 13:03:56	MacGyver	kek_: No, but if your audio system gets updated and restarted then things using it also need a restart.
2022-03-02 13:04:12	MacGyver	kek_: And that's precisely the behaviour that ERR_SOCKET_FAILED indicates to me.
2022-03-02 13:06:27	MacGyver	kek_: So you could've possibly only restarted the bluetooth subsystem and managers.
2022-03-02 13:07:39	kek_	MacGyver, I don't know enough about the underlying mechanism here to get to that conclusion. Thanks for pointing it out. So basically the application/service loses its conenction to the audio server because of the update?
2022-03-02 13:08:30	MacGyver	kek_: That's what happens in the audio case, yes. I can't tell from just the error and your description it's actually complaining about the socket to pulse/pipewire there, or something in the bluetooth stack.
2022-03-02 13:09:02	⚡ 	wez hands MacGyver a rubber band and a paperclip to fix kek_ issue with.
2022-03-02 13:09:26	kek_	Oh my issue is fixed :D Was just trying to udnerstand why it occured in the first place. 
2022-03-02 13:09:32	wez	ah OK
2022-03-02 13:16:17	GuiToris	Khorne, it's pretty good, I'm using the suggested sidebar format, I enabled mail_check_stats, what I don't understand why I have say 24/24 (all e-mail are read) and just 32 by itself, (no /32)
2022-03-02 13:18:50	GuiToris	%?F? [%F]?%* %?N?%N/?
2022-03-02 13:19:05	GuiToris	I think my client messed this up
2022-03-02 13:19:28	GuiToris	"%?F? [%F]?%* %?N?%N/?"
2022-03-02 13:19:31	GuiToris	ahh
2022-03-02 13:19:45	GuiToris	 % B % ? F ? [ % F ] ? % *  % ? N ? % N / ? % S
2022-03-02 13:20:14	GuiToris	so in theory I should always see the /total number of messages
2022-03-02 13:22:34	Khorne	Yea that works for me
2022-03-02 13:22:42	Khorne	Maybe gmail doesn't report it properly
2022-03-02 13:23:26	GuiToris	got it, thank you very much for your help! :)
2022-03-02 13:43:36	ZeroV1p3r	guys i have a problem
2022-03-02 13:44:03	labrador	ok
2022-03-02 13:44:15	ZeroV1p3r	i can't screenshot in gnome
2022-03-02 13:52:31	circleous	ok
2022-03-02 14:04:22	normaler	hi, i have a weird problem with firefox starting up very slowly
2022-03-02 14:04:29	normaler	when i start it with  MOZ_PROFILER_STARTUP=1 firefox
2022-03-02 14:04:35	normaler	i get this
2022-03-02 14:04:36	normaler	/usr/lib/libicudata.so.70: unable to generate file identifier
2022-03-02 14:07:15	wez	That does sound wierd
2022-03-02 14:07:34	jonathon	is the symlink intact?
2022-03-02 14:08:02	jonathon	also check `pacman -Qkk icu`
2022-03-02 14:10:43	normaler	normal@mobility ~> pacman -Qkk icu
2022-03-02 14:10:44	normaler	icu: 269 total files, 0 altered files
2022-03-02 14:10:53	normaler	and the symlink seems to be laright too
2022-03-02 14:11:02	normaler	normal@mobility ~> ls -l /usr/lib/libicudata.so.70
2022-03-02 14:11:02	normaler	lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Nov 21 21:45 /usr/lib/libicudata.so.70 -> libicudata.so.70.1
2022-03-02 14:35:11	jonathon	hm
2022-03-02 14:35:29	jonathon	any sandboxing in place, e.g. firejail?
2022-03-02 15:33:43	normaler	there might be rests of firefjail still available but i thought i turned that off
2022-03-02 15:39:12	tijko	hello hello@
2022-03-02 15:40:29	CubeTheThird	!welcome
2022-03-02 15:40:29	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-03-02 15:44:36	normaler	mmh reactivated firejail and now it is fast again
2022-03-02 15:50:12	AbortRetryFail	I fucked up by installing Arch on this box 12 years ago :B
2022-03-02 16:14:52	uuidNuniq	AbortRetryFail:-> and what's is on this box right now 
2022-03-02 16:15:56	AbortRetryFail	Arch lol
2022-03-02 16:16:11	AbortRetryFail	Mostly I was joking about this:
2022-03-02 16:16:14	AbortRetryFail	!welcome
2022-03-02 16:16:14	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-03-02 16:17:05	NakedKing	!welcome
2022-03-02 16:17:05	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-03-02 16:17:48	uuidNuniq	AbortRetryFail:-> arch, only needs one installation. 
2022-03-02 16:18:01	uuidNuniq	and then rsync to every fucking new boxes 
2022-03-02 16:21:35	Khorne	That is the worst tabcompletion I've seen in a while
2022-03-02 16:23:04	red_	hi
2022-03-02 16:25:43	uuidNuniq	Khorne:-> ok. thanks 
2022-03-02 16:26:07	uuidNuniq	!welcome red_ 
2022-03-02 16:26:07	phrik	uuidNuniq: Say what?
2022-03-02 16:26:14	uuidNuniq	!welcome
2022-03-02 16:26:14	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-03-02 16:50:00	SysGhost	!politewelcome
2022-03-02 16:50:01	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux - How can we help you?
2022-03-02 16:55:06	red_	I know archinstall is a good and painless process, as I used it for my main rig. 
2022-03-02 16:55:15	red_	https://archlinuxgui.in/ - does the arch community support this?
2022-03-02 16:55:17	phrik	Title: Arch Linux GUI (at archlinuxgui.in)
2022-03-02 16:55:38	red_	I'd be a little concerned about what they're slapping in each install
2022-03-02 16:56:04	red_	I don't have a desire to use it, I'm just curious 
2022-03-02 16:57:06	Foxboron	red_: we don't. The name is problematic
2022-03-02 16:57:36	Baphomet	Heyy, I'm following the tutorial for the creation of a multiboot usb drive, I'm using syslinux+memdisk and I added an arch, an endeavouros and a fedora ISO images to it... Arch image boots fine, for some reason, while the others give me a "Booting kernel failed: bad file number" error... The two differences between the images are the path size,
2022-03-02 16:57:36	Baphomet	which I reduced but got no results, and the ISO image file size, Arch is 850M and the others are 1.9G and 2G
2022-03-02 16:57:56	Baphomet	Is there any file size restriction for memdisk or something like that?
2022-03-02 16:58:51	NetSysFire	red_: as Foxboron implied, it doesnt follow the arch trademark policy and the only installer we sort of support is archinstall
2022-03-02 16:59:05	red_	Interesting
2022-03-02 17:24:18	BitBiro	Archlinux Anywhere has had the same issue - it renamed to Anarchy Linux. But i am using ALG (Archlinux Gui) too. I want an installer - it saves me a lot of time especially installing new archlinux users a system
2022-03-02 17:24:23	sandman13	Kind of offtopic but is there a way to limit application to just one workspace/virtual desktop while sharing screen? 
2022-03-02 17:26:18	Khorne	Depends on the application I guess
2022-03-02 17:26:40	Khorne	BitBiro, the question is why are you installing systems for other people in the first place :')
2022-03-02 17:26:46	Khorne	They should do it themselves to know how it's setup
2022-03-02 17:27:12	MrElendig	depends on the wm
2022-03-02 17:27:37	BitBiro	Khorne - For familiy for example. I dont want to be bothered with Windows questions so i have no choice :D
2022-03-02 17:27:38	MrElendig	BitBiro: arch comes with an installer
2022-03-02 17:27:45	MrElendig	3 different ones even
2022-03-02 17:27:58	sandman13	Teams for Linux, Slack or Electron applications in general do not see workspace/tag/virtual desktop. I tried with KDE, i3wm and dwm
2022-03-02 17:28:24	BitBiro	MrElendig Really ? A Gnome Liveboot for example with GUI install ?
2022-03-02 17:28:37	MrElendig	pacstrap, archinstall, archboot
2022-03-02 17:28:49	MrElendig	none of them are gui
2022-03-02 17:29:15	Khorne	And realistically a GUI shouldn't be required if you do a lot of installations :')
2022-03-02 17:29:28	MrElendig	most gui installers are absolute trash :/
2022-03-02 17:29:28	BitBiro	Yes - thats it. I mean text installs are good too but sometimes i want to dring coffee and just klick MrElendig :D
2022-03-02 17:29:41	MrElendig	eg the fedora one
2022-03-02 17:29:42	BitBiro	ALG is okay
2022-03-02 17:30:02	MrElendig	but unsupported so if you use that you are on your own
2022-03-02 17:30:14	Khorne	Boot iso, format the one disk on their laptop to have two partitions, create an esp and a /, mount, pacstrap everything, create a user, install systemd-boot, reboot, the end
2022-03-02 17:30:21	Khorne	10minutes, done, next
2022-03-02 17:30:47	BitBiro	MrElendig yes i know but its nearly Archlinux vanilla - only removing the ALG repos - thats all
2022-03-02 17:31:20	MrElendig	still not supported
2022-03-02 17:31:50	Khorne	Are you also replacing all the software from their repos that now never gets updates
2022-03-02 17:31:51	BitBiro	Maybe i should take a look at the default archlinux installers ...
2022-03-02 17:31:52	Khorne	silly
2022-03-02 17:32:05	BitBiro	Khorne yes i do
2022-03-02 17:32:23	Khorne	Seems more effort than just installing Arch straight at that point, realistically
2022-03-02 17:32:44	BitBiro	I have an own backup restore script which collects home data an all installed packages so its not a problem
2022-03-02 17:32:45	Khorne	Do slightly more up front, or have cleanup after the fact
2022-03-02 17:32:47	Khorne	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-03-02 17:38:22	red_	bitbiro: archinstall in cli is literally faster than any gui installer I've ever used, especially if you just let it "figure it out"
2022-03-02 17:38:47	red_	if you can read it's as easy as a windows, mint, whatever installation
2022-03-02 17:39:37	red_	after using it one time and not being afraid, it's like 10 minutes until you boot into KDE/gnome
2022-03-02 18:31:17	⚡ 	gehidore still hasn't used archinstall
2022-03-02 18:35:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-02 18:39:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-03-02 18:39:33	ℹ 	Tema establecido por phrik (~phrik@phrik.archlinux.org) el dom, 06 feb 2022 22:28:56
2022-03-02 18:39:34	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1514 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1514 normals)
2022-03-02 18:39:35	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-03-02 18:39:42	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-03-02 18:39:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-02 19:00:34	Gagis	I have been meaning to but my operating systems keep refusing to break themselves so I cant
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2022-03-02 19:04:22	rcf	I haven't even needed the ISO to fix a broken system in so long I don't know what's on it these days. 
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2022-03-02 19:04:43	buzo	Hi. What is the best way to sign a package built in a clean chroot (using makechrootpkg)? I couldn't find anything about that in the Wiki or man pages.
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2022-03-02 19:23:01	ℹ 	cirno es conocido ahora como koi
2022-03-02 19:23:11	buzo	Maybe I just need to execute that gpg command I just found in /usr/share/makepkg/integrity/generate_signature.sh?
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2022-03-02 19:26:13	Foxboron	buzo: detached signature is all that is needed
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2022-03-02 19:34:39	buzo	Foxboron: okay, thanks
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2022-03-02 20:50:32	Earnestly	Surprising that arch doesn't package visidata
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2022-03-02 20:54:55	ℹ 	Lord_of_Life_ es conocido ahora como Lord_of_Life
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2022-03-03 17:28:50	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-03-03 17:28:50	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-03 18:31:09	Hackerpcs	circleous: If i try to send a file to the .110 address, it uses the wired normally
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2022-03-03 18:32:26	Hackerpcs	https://pastebin.com/raw/gKbJM5U8
2022-03-03 18:32:27	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oPmU.txt
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2022-03-03 18:35:10	ℹ 	acn es conocido ahora como AntiComposite
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2022-03-03 18:37:44	Khorne	Hackerpcs, guess you could add a /32 route to the one specific target ip
2022-03-03 18:37:55	Khorne	But other than that..
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2022-03-03 18:38:53	Hackerpcs	I wanted to use it also simultaneously, sending/receiving via both NICs
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2022-03-03 18:39:06	Hackerpcs	to/from the same destination
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2022-03-03 18:39:41	Khorne	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2022-03-03 18:39:52	Khorne	Then it's not possible, if ssh can't bind with b/B
2022-03-03 18:40:36	Hackerpcs	also curiously "rsync user@192.168.1.110:~/filetoget ~" uses the wifi
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2022-03-03 18:45:51	Hackerpcs	tar via ssh also curiously uses .120 interface when doing "ssh -p 201 user@192.168.1.110 tar cf - /folder_to_get > ./archive.tar"
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2022-03-03 18:46:57	gehidore	Hackerpcs probably best to go to a network-centric channel for this
2022-03-03 18:47:08	gehidore	honestly don't think you'll see the results you're after though
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2022-03-03 18:50:15	Hackerpcs	which channel though?
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2022-03-03 18:53:15	Khorne	Try #networking
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2022-03-03 18:58:56	Hackerpcs	very hacky but I was able to make a torrent from the files that I need to transfer, add the .110 as peer and it's transferred via the wired connection normally with qBittorent which can bind to specific NIC in settings
2022-03-03 18:58:58	zbe	Hackerpcs, if you don't want to change metrics you could try using firejail to force specific nic
2022-03-03 18:59:21	lgp171188	After a recent clean reinstall of Arch Linux + KDE Plasma on my desktop, some keybindings are no longer working as expected in Konsole. The 'delete' key didn't delete the character and I had to fix it by adding a bindkey statement in my ~/.zshrc. Now I found that the Alt + <arrow keys> doesn't work on byobu over a remote SSH session. Is there a way I can investigate and fix this issue cleanly?
2022-03-03 18:59:32	Hackerpcs	so it's possible for a program to utilize one NIC, I also am transferring via rsync, both NICs being utilized at full speed
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2022-03-03 18:59:58	Hackerpcs	it seems to be a problem on how ssh binds an adapter, not a system wide issue
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2022-03-03 19:00:15	Khorne	That seems like a lot of overhead to transfer a file..
2022-03-03 19:00:50	Hackerpcs	it's more to diagnose if it's a system wide routing issue or that simply ssh don't bind correctly
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2022-03-03 19:02:45	Hackerpcs	https://images2.imgbox.com/1c/35/JkMQ3UBt_o.png
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2022-03-03 19:02:52	Hackerpcs	both nics being used at the same time
2022-03-03 19:03:10	Hackerpcs	.110 by qbittorent, .120 by rsync/ssh
2022-03-03 19:03:22	Hackerpcs	so it's possible
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2022-03-04 20:26:14	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1493 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1492 normals)
2022-03-04 20:26:14	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-03-04 20:26:15	◣	Cadillaxx_ (~Cadillaxx@user/cadillaxx) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-03-04 20:27:50	Khorne	Libvirt, qemu, virt-manager seems like a good start 
2022-03-04 20:28:29	Khorne	I'm also pretty sure they're all mentioned on the respective wiki pages
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2022-03-04 20:30:01	CaTaCaS	ok, thanks. i need the minimum. If I should have errors regarding network etc. I would read in and then post-install things
2022-03-04 20:30:20	senj	I had to restart irc client. Wondering if there are any ideas with regard to python/pip problem I raised earlier.
2022-03-04 20:30:21	nl6720	I wouldn't call either of the libvirt or qemu wiki pages particularly easy readable
2022-03-04 20:30:53	Khorne	senj: did you sudo pip at one point?
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2022-03-04 20:31:10	Khorne	nl6720: they're not supposed to be a qemu or libvirt tutorial 
2022-03-04 20:31:13	CaTaCaS	Yes, they are already mentioned with 10-15 other packages where I just don't know if I really need them :)
2022-03-04 20:31:41	senj	Khorne: no. I believe you just gave me a suggestion...
2022-03-04 20:31:47	CaTaCaS	Khorne Thank you ;D
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2022-03-04 20:32:29	Khorne	senj, don't run sudo pip :P
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2022-03-04 20:33:05	senj	Sort of too, late. I did 'sudo pip -v'
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2022-03-04 20:33:27	Khorne	Ok, fine, don't run sudo pip install :P
2022-03-04 20:33:37	Khorne	Is what I meant
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2022-03-04 20:33:41	nl6720	Khorne: I don't disagree, but they could still be better. finding qemu and libvirt best practices in upstream documentation is not easy too
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2022-03-04 20:33:59	Khorne	nl6720, patches welcome
2022-03-04 20:34:50	senj	Khorne: got it.
2022-03-04 20:35:01	nl6720	yeah... try looking at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/QEMU thinking "I'm going to fix it" without getting overwhelmed
2022-03-04 20:35:02	@phrik	Title: QEMU - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-04 20:35:06	Khorne	senj, solved?
2022-03-04 20:35:13	Khorne	If so, what was the issue?
2022-03-04 20:36:38	Khorne	nl6720, I mean, I'm not really seeing a problem with them in the first place
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2022-03-04 20:36:54	senj	Khorne: No. I have no sense of direction. Only thing I found about [Ernno 13] was stuff for Windows and in script context.
2022-03-04 20:36:59	Khorne	They're extensive, but qemu is fairly complex so that is kinda expected
2022-03-04 20:37:20	teraflops	nl6720: fix what exactly? that wiki page is not that bad (imo) 
2022-03-04 20:38:26	Khorne	senj, I guess try pacman -Qkk python-pip and python-pyperclip
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2022-03-04 20:40:21	senj	Result: error: package 'python-pyperclip' was not found
2022-03-04 20:40:28	◣	Brainium (~brainium@user/brainium) ha salido (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2022-03-04 20:41:30	Khorne	Why is your pip looking for it though
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2022-03-04 20:41:45	nl6720	Khorne, teraflops: I guess its complexity does warrant the length of it. I just find the way it's structured not easy to read
2022-03-04 20:41:55	senj	https://bpa.st/6LMA
2022-03-04 20:41:56	@phrik	Title: View paste 6LMA (at bpa.st)
2022-03-04 20:42:08	◣	Strom (strom@fedora/strom) ha salido ()
2022-03-04 20:42:42	Khorne	senj, I mean, I believe you :') But your earlier error message shows a permission denied: Permission denied: '/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pyperclip-1.8.2-py3.10.egg-info'
2022-03-04 20:42:46	Khorne	Does that file exist?
2022-03-04 20:42:53	teraflops	nl6720: as Khorne said above, the topic is not simple
2022-03-04 20:43:00	⚡ 	senj checking
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2022-03-04 20:43:53	nl6720	yes, because there are countless command line options and no sane person can know them all
2022-03-04 20:43:55	teraflops	iperf3 -s
2022-03-04 20:43:58	teraflops	oops sorry
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2022-03-04 20:44:35	Khorne	nl6720, thats why libvirt was created :P Which moves the trillion commandline options into a perfectly readable billion line long xml file :')
2022-03-04 20:45:36	nl6720	now we just need something to abstract libvirt
2022-03-04 20:45:47	teraflops	virt-manager
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2022-03-04 20:45:55	Khorne	^
2022-03-04 20:46:00	teraflops	(not big fan, but eh!)
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2022-03-04 20:47:08	senj	I see: https://bpa.st/ENVQ
2022-03-04 20:47:09	@phrik	Title: View paste ENVQ (at bpa.st)
2022-03-04 20:47:22	nl6720	virt-manager is... usable
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2022-03-04 20:48:17	senj	Permissions should be 766, 755, 777?
2022-03-04 20:48:37	Khorne	senj, it shouldn't exist if python-pyperclip isn't installed 
2022-03-04 20:49:05	Khorne	usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pyperclip-1.8.2-py3.10.egg-info/ is owned by community/python-pyperclip 1.8.2-4
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2022-03-04 20:50:22	Khorne	Guess you can try installing it, overwriting as necessary
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2022-03-04 20:50:53	Khorne	It isn't necessary for pip but pip seems to fall on it's arse with the folder, due to permissions
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2022-03-04 20:51:21	teraflops	nl6720: gnome-boxes looks pretty simple
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2022-03-04 20:51:47	Khorne	Boxes has too little options for me
2022-03-04 20:51:52	Khorne	Or used to anyways
2022-03-04 20:51:56	teraflops	I think the sae
2022-03-04 20:51:59	teraflops	same^
2022-03-04 20:52:07	senj	Okay, attempted: https://bpa.st/UOOA  - failed.
2022-03-04 20:52:08	@phrik	Title: View paste UOOA (at bpa.st)
2022-03-04 20:52:22	senj	I must be overlooking something simple.
2022-03-04 20:52:28	Khorne	senj, overwriting as necessary was imperative in my answer
2022-03-04 20:52:33	nl6720	teraflops: as a KDE user, that's not something I want to install
2022-03-04 20:52:51	nl6720	I'll just stick to virt-manager for the one VM I need to run with qemu
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2022-03-04 20:53:42	thrice	senj: well, what owns the files in /usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pyperclip* ?
2022-03-04 20:53:53	thrice	assume you installed it by hand, outside of a package
2022-03-04 20:54:14	Khorne	thrice, python-pyperclip should own them we've been there
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2022-03-04 20:54:27	teraflops	senj: use --overwrite?
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2022-03-04 20:54:38	thrice	I doubt it, if pacman is complaining when trying to install pytho-piperclip... ?
2022-03-04 20:54:50	senj	I did: sudo pacman -Syu --overwrite python-pyperclip. 
2022-03-04 20:54:54	thrice	pacman -Qo /usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pyperclip-1.8.2-py3.10.egg-info ?
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2022-03-04 20:56:12	senj	pacman says 'there is nothing to do'
2022-03-04 20:56:25	teraflops	senj: "*" 
2022-03-04 20:56:38	thrice	that's not possible output from pacman -Qo 
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2022-03-04 20:57:11	teraflops	thrice: it was for me I think
2022-03-04 20:57:21	teraflops	about the --overwrite
2022-03-04 20:57:45	⚡ 	thrice didn't ask for --overwrite
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2022-03-04 20:57:53	thrice	anyway, my suggestions are being ignored, so
2022-03-04 20:57:55	thrice	!bail
2022-03-04 20:57:55	@phrik	Looks like thrice is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-03-04 20:57:56	senj	Not from -Qo from -Syu --overwrite
2022-03-04 20:58:11	senj	pip -v give same error chain
2022-03-04 20:59:05	thrice	as expected, no package owns those files, so pacman won't overwrite without you forcing it with --overwrite (which takes a path as the argument, ie /usr/lib/python*, not a package name)
2022-03-04 20:59:11	senj	Sorry, thrice. I missed it bouncing between screens. I apologize. Runnig it now.
2022-03-04 20:59:13	thrice	stop installing things outside of pacman
2022-03-04 20:59:33	CaTaCaS	Khorne do you have an List with all GUI Manager Tools for qemu? I know only virt-manager and have read about gnome boxes. I use xfce4 and do not know witch manager is the best for xfce4.
2022-03-04 20:59:56	Khorne	CaTaCaS, no, I use virsh, but virt-manager is pretty DE agnostic I guess
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2022-03-04 21:00:21	thrice	senj: you probably want something like pacman -Syu python-pyperclip --overwrite "/usr/lib/python3.10/*"
2022-03-04 21:00:42	CaTaCaS	ok, thanks Khorne
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2022-03-04 21:05:06	senj	thrice, 'sudo pacman -Syu python-pyperclip --overwrite /usr/lib/python3.10/*' lead to:
2022-03-04 21:05:20	senj	'warning: '/usr/lib/python3.10/zipimport.py' is a file, did you mean -U/--upgrade instead of -S/--sync?'
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2022-03-04 21:05:55	senj	I think I just need to spend more time with 'man pacman' and come back to the problem after that.
2022-03-04 21:06:05	MacGyver	Has "uninstall from pip3" been suggested yet by anyone?
2022-03-04 21:06:37	senj	Oh, pip3... I'll try.
2022-03-04 21:06:47	MacGyver	*UN*install using pip3.
2022-03-04 21:07:07	MacGyver	Because I imagine that installing using pip is how you got into this mess in the first place.
2022-03-04 21:07:26	MacGyver	Rather than try to have pacman win this fight, make pip back down.
2022-03-04 21:07:26	teraflops	looks like  a !sillypip
2022-03-04 21:07:50	Hello71	yaourt -Syu --overwrite pip3, got it
2022-03-04 21:07:51	teraflops	MacGyver: idk the issue started way up in the backlog
2022-03-04 21:08:09	senj	Ugh, I am finally understanding!! 
2022-03-04 21:08:22	MacGyver	!sillypip
2022-03-04 21:08:22	@phrik	Never sudo pip install things
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2022-03-04 21:08:33	MacGyver	I was hoping for the actual explanation on the wiki.
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2022-03-04 21:09:24	Khorne	As far as I'm concerned they denied using pip
2022-03-04 21:09:25	senj	Alright. Time for me to read alot more about pip, pip3, yaourt...
2022-03-04 21:09:41	MacGyver	Khorne: See this is why I just ignore what people say.
2022-03-04 21:09:47	Khorne	MacGyver, say what?
2022-03-04 21:09:50	teraflops	senj: tried MacGyver suggestions, sounds pretty reasonable
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2022-03-04 21:09:53	teraflops	?
2022-03-04 21:09:54	MacGyver	I don't believe them :P
2022-03-04 21:09:58	Khorne	MacGyver, say what?
2022-03-04 21:10:01	Khorne	:')
2022-03-04 21:12:06	MacGyver	senj: pip(3) is a python package manager. If you (or some script) ran pip as root, installing some python package, it installs it in the exact same location as where pacman would put the same python package. Next time you try to install something through pacman that depends on that, pacman tries in turn to install the package there but sees files already there not under its control, and rather
2022-03-04 21:12:08	MacGyver	than take the risk of blowing up your system it just refuses to continue.
2022-03-04 21:12:11	MacGyver	senj: That's all the reading you need.
2022-03-04 21:12:20	senj	Khorne, MacGyver, thrice thank  you. I screwed up way back.
2022-03-04 21:12:24	MacGyver	senj: Bottom line: Don't install python packages *system-wide* using sudo pip.
2022-03-04 21:12:47	MacGyver	senj: If you need a python package system-wide, *always* do it through a pacman package, whether from official repositories, AUR, or something home-brewed.
2022-03-04 21:12:48	senj	Understood. Thank you.
2022-03-04 21:13:11	MacGyver	senj: The way out is uninstalling the package(s) using pip, then installing their pacman counterparts.
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2022-03-04 21:13:19	Khorne	MacGyver, pip is busted :)
2022-03-04 21:13:30	Khorne	As in, it fails on execution
2022-03-04 21:14:28	Khorne	Well I guess if you ran it as root it would be able to read the files again
2022-03-04 21:14:35	Khorne	nvm
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2022-03-04 21:15:23	Khorne	pip gives me a headache
2022-03-04 21:16:12	teraflops	pip makes me thirsty ;)
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2022-03-04 21:21:45	senj	Thanks for all the help and patience. I'm in over my head but will get it. Have a great Friday evening.
2022-03-04 21:22:04	thurstylark	we all start somewhere :)
2022-03-04 21:22:31	Khorne	^ gl senj
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2022-03-04 21:40:21	senj	!sillypip
2022-03-04 21:40:22	@phrik	Never sudo pip install things
2022-03-04 21:40:32	senj	!ix
2022-03-04 21:40:32	@phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-03-04 21:40:46	⚡ 	senj OH!
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2022-03-05 11:30:51	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-03-05 11:30:51	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1459 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1458 normals)
2022-03-05 07:26:35	gehidore	why hire plasma when we have the one and only dmc 
2022-03-05 07:26:40	gehidore	for free
2022-03-05 07:37:28	dmc	invoice incoming
2022-03-05 07:40:16	gehidore	well poop
2022-03-05 07:40:22	gehidore	chanserv why you do this
2022-03-05 07:41:50	dmc	lol
2022-03-05 07:42:30	DrNefario	why do you suddenly have an @ before your name?
2022-03-05 07:42:59	JTL	oppped
2022-03-05 07:43:15	DrNefario	is that what that means?
2022-03-05 07:43:25	JTL	yes
2022-03-05 07:44:28	DrNefario	tbh I thought dmc was already an op
2022-03-05 07:44:40	JTL	ops here only op when needed iirc
2022-03-05 07:44:59	JTL	^
2022-03-05 07:45:15	DrNefario	oh I see lol
2022-03-05 07:45:15	dmc	^
2022-03-05 07:45:17	gehidore	damn I failed that whole show
2022-03-05 07:51:03	plasma	:D
2022-03-05 07:51:38	labrador	Wait arch has paid employees now?
2022-03-05 07:51:38	labrador	nice
2022-03-05 08:07:15	naicam|ne	if i wanted to build a package from source, where would i get the gpg key to verfiy it? (the assumption here is that I dont want to run makepkg as root)
2022-03-05 08:08:39	sheep	either check the developer's site to see if they publish a key or search a keyserver for it
2022-03-05 08:09:56	naicam|ne	ok
2022-03-05 09:17:30	GuiToris	hey, can I move files so I could keep their hierarchy? I've read 'man mv' but it seems it cannot do this job
2022-03-05 09:17:56	corysanin	Hmm... it would appear libsamplerate is missing as a dependency for k3b in its PKGBUILD
2022-03-05 09:20:44	masoudd	GuiToris, you want to mv directories?
2022-03-05 09:22:02	GuiToris	masoudd, there are certain files in different directories, but might be duplicates. I probably don't need them, but I would first just move them in case I'm wrong
2022-03-05 09:22:41	GuiToris	.local/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/icon.png  for example
2022-03-05 09:23:17	GuiToris	I'd like to keep the relative path of icon.png but somewhere else
2022-03-05 09:23:33	GuiToris	and I don't want other icons but icon.png
2022-03-05 09:24:10	GuiToris	so if I could have something like /tmp/.local/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/icon.png that would be great
2022-03-05 09:24:37	GuiToris	but if I just do mv .local/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/icon.png /tmp, I'll have an icon.png in /tmp
2022-03-05 09:25:43	mpan	GuiToris: why not first remove duplicates?
2022-03-05 09:26:16	mpan	Wouldn’t that let you circumvent the problem entirely?
2022-03-05 09:27:46	GuiToris	mpan, https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/safeeyes#comment-852702
2022-03-05 09:27:50	@phrik	Title: AUR (en) - safeeyes (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-03-05 09:28:42	mpan	GuiToris: so you want detect symlinks?
2022-03-05 09:29:19	GuiToris	the guy says I should remove them, I don't know what detect means here :S
2022-03-05 09:29:27	GuiToris	I think I can check if they are broken
2022-03-05 09:31:39	GuiToris	yeah, they are bad symlinks
2022-03-05 09:32:10	GuiToris	they are pointing nowhere
2022-03-05 09:39:10	mpan	As far as I understand the situation (I do not use that software), there are broken symlinks in user’s directory (not a part of the program itself). I don’t really understand why they are there (it’s a weird situation), but the suggestion from hetoc88319 is to remove broken links. That’s all.
2022-03-05 09:40:21	mpan	To find all broken link in directory DIR you may use find: `find DIR -xtype l`
2022-03-05 09:41:53	GuiToris	yes, those are the only ones
2022-03-05 09:41:58	GuiToris	thank you for your help :)
2022-03-05 10:21:30	reactormonk[m]	Is there any interface to control screen brightness for external monitors?
2022-03-05 10:49:31	The-Compiler	reactormonk[m]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Backlight#External_monitors
2022-03-05 10:49:33	@phrik	Title: Backlight - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-05 11:30:51	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-05 12:00:42	susi	why's here these two different Android10's? https://0x0.st/oPpr.txt
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2022-03-05 12:00:51	susi	and both are "in-use"
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2022-03-05 12:04:21	susi	it's a mobile hotspot
2022-03-05 12:04:58	MrElendig	ask your phone
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2022-03-05 12:08:41	susi	:S
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2022-03-05 12:11:55	TheSilentLink	Hi is anyone having issues with qemu? I haven't changed anything and suddenly my VMs don't start: Error starting domain: internal error: process exited while connecting to monitor: 2022-03-05T11:10:16.324120Z qemu-system-x86_64: -blockdev {"driver":"file","filename":"/mnt/sdc1/VMs/virtio-win-0.1.185.iso","node-name":"libvirt-1-storage","auto-read-only":true,"discard":"unmap"}: Could not open
2022-03-05 12:11:55	TheSilentLink	'/mnt/sdc1/VMs/virtio-win-0.1.185.iso': 
2022-03-05 12:11:55	TheSilentLink	Permission denied
2022-03-05 12:13:38	Mathisen	not using qemu at the moment, but those errors kinda says it all, 1. coult not open and 2. permission denied
2022-03-05 12:13:38	Khorne	TheSilentLink, guess you dont have permissions to open the mentioned file
2022-03-05 12:13:45	Mathisen	not to hard to troubleshoot
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2022-03-05 12:17:15	TheSilentLink	well here is the thing. When I start the VM suddenly the file owner changes to libvirt-qemu
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2022-03-05 12:20:19	Mathisen	TheSilentLink, check in your qemu.conf and search for dynamic_ownership
2022-03-05 12:20:35	TheSilentLink	then if I give it 777 on the file it doesn't start away. Probably cause it doesn't have permissions for the root folder but this was never an issue before
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2022-03-05 12:21:22	Khorne	777 is almost always the wrong permissions
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2022-03-05 12:21:39	Mathisen	^agreed
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2022-03-05 12:22:36	ishitatsuyuki	a globally writable entry is bad for security, yeah
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2022-03-05 12:25:35	TheSilentLink	sure but what I mean is that it doesn't solve the issue
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2022-03-05 12:26:00	TheSilentLink	disabling dynamic_ownership also doesn't solve it I still get permission denied
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2022-03-05 12:26:30	Mathisen	did it still change the owner ?
2022-03-05 12:26:34	TheSilentLink	no
2022-03-05 12:26:51	Mathisen	ok then i dont know
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2022-03-05 12:28:35	Mathisen	it would not have made a diffrence assuming you are in the correct group
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2022-03-05 12:38:53	Ghosthree3	TheSilentLink: the new version of libvirt put out by arch finally added a user for it like every other distro, probably gave you permission issues
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2022-03-05 12:39:13	Ghosthree3	qemu runs under libvirt-qemu:libvirt-qemu by default now
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2022-03-05 12:39:25	Ghosthree3	(i have changed qemu.conf to use group = "kvm" which was the old group)
2022-03-05 12:39:29	Ghosthree3	used to be root:kvm
2022-03-05 12:39:35	Ghosthree3	nobody:kvm *
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2022-03-05 12:40:03	Ghosthree3	i imagine if you just add the group = "kvm" line your issue might go away?
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2022-03-05 12:51:45	salkin	Hiya folks. I'm here with a /etc/sudoers.pacnew. The new is (ALL:ALL) instead of (ALL). What is the reason for this? I wonder.
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2022-03-05 13:03:19	salkin	Mathisen: ah! okay. Thanks - So until now i have been using no group specifier in my sudoers file? So will this break anything potentially at some point way down the road  - if a sudo user is on at system still just using the (ALL) way of granting wheel execution permissions?
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2022-03-05 15:41:11	citazen	halp, trying to shut down dolphin and it just wont shut down
2022-03-05 15:41:19	citazen	locked in disk sleep mode
2022-03-05 15:41:40	citazen	tried kill -9 nothing
2022-03-05 15:41:54	Earnest	It's trapped in the kernel, signals won't reach it while it's there
2022-03-05 15:42:09	citazen	do i just reboot and forget my changes?
2022-03-05 15:42:41	citazen	or is there a way to break it free from the kernel lock
2022-03-05 15:43:04	thrice	Is it stuck for sure?  ie, have you tried waiting it out?
2022-03-05 15:43:36	citazen	yeah been sitting here abut 15-20 minutes waiting, closed dow all other applications too
2022-03-05 15:43:40	Earnest	You can only wait (forced, lazy umounts can cause this and such)
2022-03-05 15:43:54	Earnest	Oh yeah, I should look into the new lsfd stuff
2022-03-05 15:44:16	citazen	i hvae been having issue with thumbdrive, might be the reason as i just plugged it in and tried to mount it
2022-03-05 15:44:34	citazen	thanks guys guess i wait a few more
2022-03-05 15:46:31	Earnest	Aw, no util-linux update yet
2022-03-05 15:52:26	thrice	appears to just be rc, from their git repo
2022-03-05 16:00:02	Earnest	Yeah, rc2
2022-03-05 16:00:07	Earnest	soon™
2022-03-05 16:00:19	Earnest	mount --mkdir is probably quite nice tbh
2022-03-05 16:03:13	thrice	hm, can't see the use personally, but sounds interesting
2022-03-05 16:06:14	Earnest	You've never tried to mount a device only for the dest to not exist?
2022-03-05 16:06:31	Earnest	And then realising this, thinking oh, "mkdir dest", and try again
2022-03-05 16:07:12	thrice	my only linux machine is a laptop(s), and typically only mount external media via. udisks, so no :)
2022-03-05 16:08:33	Ghosthree3	cant say ive ever run into mounting to a dir that doesnt exist no
2022-03-05 16:10:08	colo	I fondly remember OS X 10.whatnot (something less than 5), where the different mount.$networkprotocol exectables (think smb, afp, nfs) would exhibit different behavior and expectations regarding expecting the target directory to (not) already exist. fun.
2022-03-05 16:29:58	ph14nix	Fellas, how do I make iwd always run my network interface in AP mode?
2022-03-05 16:30:03	AKSoo	I have no idea how this can happen, but it's breaking my AUR uninstall script
2022-03-05 16:30:03	AKSoo	```
2022-03-05 16:30:03	AKSoo	```
2022-03-05 16:30:04	⚡ 	AKSoo sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/346f63b358c9538acd672e548ceff4cb6b972e3d
2022-03-05 16:30:37	AKSoo	 * I have no idea how this can happen, but it's breaking my AUR uninstall script
2022-03-05 16:32:01	AKSoo	I have a feeling it might be something with bash string interpretation, but can't think of why
2022-03-05 16:35:34	AKSoo	(double quotes around arguments don't help)
2022-03-05 16:40:12	AKSoo	LOL NVM refreshing the repo fixed it
2022-03-05 16:40:25	AKSoo	is there a way to refresh just the AUR repo?
2022-03-05 16:40:50	AKSoo	* just the local AUR repo?
2022-03-05 16:43:09	MrElendig	no
2022-03-05 16:43:23	MrElendig	except commenting out the other repos
2022-03-05 16:45:09	AKSoo	Ah that sucks. Well, I could just refresh without updating I guess.
2022-03-05 16:49:42	CyberTailor	What is the output of "pacman -V|base32|head -1"
2022-03-05 16:49:55	CyberTailor	i use gentoo btw
2022-03-05 16:51:09	Earnest	CyberTailor: https://0x0.st/oPfn.txt this is pacman -V
2022-03-05 16:51:21	CyberTailor	thx
2022-03-05 16:52:21	mingdao	Love that ascii art. ;)
2022-03-05 16:53:18	Earnest	mingdao: I kind of wish that --version output would just be the version number.  This could still work if it was the first line, with all the ascii art below it
2022-03-05 16:53:36	Earnest	read -r version < <(pacman -V) would then just work
2022-03-05 16:56:55	tirnanog	read -r _ version < <(pacman -Q pacman)
2022-03-05 16:57:21	Earnest	lol indeed
2022-03-05 16:57:32	Earnest	tirnanog: But I mean in general, for --version.  I hate shit that makes you work for it
2022-03-05 16:57:39	tirnanog	yeah
2022-03-05 16:57:43	Earnest	gcc gets this right
2022-03-05 16:57:50	tirnanog	no two things ever do it the same way, it seems.
2022-03-05 16:57:57	Earnest	clang is even more useful, but also gets this right
2022-03-05 16:58:25	Earnest	So long as its the first line, that's all I ask lol
2022-03-05 17:00:09	Baphomet	Hello! Arch's wiki says in the 'CUPS/Printer-specific problems' page to use hpcups package instead of hpijs... However pacman -Ss hpcups returns nothing and I couldn't find any instructions on that, or even a page of hpcups (all that my websearches return are packages for other distros, but no source to build or anything like that)
2022-03-05 17:02:29	Edu4rdSHL	Baphomet, the hplip package is already build with hpcups support.
2022-03-05 17:03:06	tirnanog	it says hpcups driver, rather than package.
2022-03-05 17:54:56	vd	why lighttpd support for certbot isn't documented?
2022-03-05 17:55:05	vd	is there a reason not to use lighttpd?
2022-03-05 18:19:30	tylee	lol. i'm stupid. installed archlinux with luks, but didn't install any wifi program in chroot before rebooting. how to run wifi there? my installation neither has wpa_supplicant or iw or anything like that. should i go buy ethernet cable or i can connect to wifi other way? thx
2022-03-05 18:20:14	NetSysFire	you can use a phone with usb tethering and use wifi over your phone or go back into the chroot
2022-03-05 18:20:17	Mathisen	tylee, just boot the install media again and arch-chroot into the install and install iwd
2022-03-05 18:21:26	tylee	NetSysFire: it requires additional software as i seen at archwiki Mathisen: my /dev/sda1 is encrypted with luks, is it possible to chroot there?
2022-03-05 18:21:34	NetSysFire	yes it is
2022-03-05 18:21:39	NetSysFire	and no you dont need additional software
2022-03-05 18:21:40	Mathisen	yes just open it
2022-03-05 18:21:47	NetSysFire	usb tethering works via dhcp
2022-03-05 18:21:55	NetSysFire	and, well, an usb cable
2022-03-05 18:21:58	jelle	vd: on the arch wiki or in general?
2022-03-05 18:22:04	tylee	oops. ok, i'll try both.
2022-03-05 18:22:09	tylee	thanks.
2022-03-05 18:22:37	NetSysFire	the archiso is a very powerful tool to recover a broken system, too. so learning how to chroot effectively is important
2022-03-05 18:23:46	Scimmia	tylee: you opened and mounted the LUKS volume when you installed, right? You just do the same thing
2022-03-05 19:00:21	lf94	I've learned the proper term for this several years ago: extensional and intensional examples
2022-03-05 19:00:38	lf94	extensional describes something with "instances" of it
2022-03-05 19:00:44	lf94	"a fruit is an apple, orange, pear"
2022-03-05 19:01:13	lf94	intensional describes something with its propers
2022-03-05 19:01:15	lf94	properties
2022-03-05 19:01:26	lf94	"a fruit grows on trees"
2022-03-05 19:01:36	lf94	Man pages unfortunately focus too much on intensional description.
2022-03-05 19:10:52	Mathisen	lf94, i can recommend tldr instead then. here is an example screenshot from my machine > https://i.imgur.com/nPTetf0.png
2022-03-05 19:11:22	lf94	How does it work?
2022-03-05 19:12:02	Mathisen	?
2022-03-05 19:12:48	Mathisen	just like man pages, just way less info
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2022-03-05 19:28:09	danso	based on a forum comment that made sense to me, i made an edit to the archwiki a few days ago
2022-03-05 19:28:21	danso	the comment was this one by ferdinand https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2023597#p2023597 
2022-03-05 19:28:23	@phrik	Title: pacman -Syyu failed to commit transaction(conflicting files) [solved] / Applications & Desktop Environments / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-03-05 19:28:31	danso	and the edit was https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=System_maintenance&diff=prev&oldid=721159 
2022-03-05 19:28:34	@phrik	Title: Difference between revisions of "System maintenance" - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-05 19:28:51	brocellous	well implemented zsh completions are better than any tldr
2022-03-05 19:28:56	danso	i was somebody who was doing unnecessary `pacman -Syy`s, so i thought it should be added to that page 
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2022-03-05 19:29:13	brocellous	really nice to have all options and their descriptions in a tab completable menu
2022-03-05 19:29:24	brocellous	complements a well written man page very well
2022-03-05 19:29:39	danso	that edit was reverted by Lahwaacz today: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=System_maintenance&diff=prev&oldid=721159 
2022-03-05 19:29:41	@phrik	Title: Difference between revisions of "System maintenance" - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-05 19:29:53	danso	i am not interested in getting into an edit war, but i would like some opinions on this
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2022-03-05 19:31:13	danso	oops: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=System_maintenance&diff=next&oldid=721160
2022-03-05 19:31:16	@phrik	Title: Difference between revisions of "System maintenance" - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-03-05 19:34:43	brocellous	danso: The remover is correct, there is no danger of downgrading pacakges with -Syyu since pacman won't downgrade a package without -uu
2022-03-05 19:34:51	jayray	hello, anyone remember how to set the number of nbd devices? I set it to 16, some years ago for whatever reason and cant remember where that would be
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2022-03-05 19:35:12	brocellous	Still -Syyu is not a good idea and can technically result in an accidental partial upgrade
2022-03-05 19:35:32	jayray	found my modules-load.d file from 2018 :|
2022-03-05 19:35:46	Scimmia	brocellous: it can't result in a partial upgrade
2022-03-05 19:36:01	brocellous	Yeah sorta
2022-03-05 19:36:08	Scimmia	how?
2022-03-05 19:36:09	brocellous	Only if you do a bare -S install after
2022-03-05 19:36:23	brocellous	which would "normally" be a safe operation
2022-03-05 19:36:24	Scimmia	the -u in there makes that a non-issue
2022-03-05 19:36:48	brocellous	here's what I mean
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2022-03-05 19:37:07	brocellous	You -Syyu, and lets say you get a different mirror with an older db
2022-03-05 19:37:17	brocellous	you're still fine no partial upgrade
2022-03-05 19:37:22	Scimmia	full stop
2022-03-05 19:37:35	danso	aha, i see what you are saying brocellous 
2022-03-05 19:37:43	Scimmia	first, the edit is not about chaning mirrors. Second, why would you switch to a mirror with an older db?
2022-03-05 19:37:53	jayray	^^
2022-03-05 19:38:15	brocellous	It doesn't require you to switch at all, if you have more than one mirror configured pacman will automatically failover to a different one if it can't connect to the first
2022-03-05 19:38:31	jayray	changing mirrors without a local db update is bad
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2022-03-05 19:38:38	Scimmia	which will generate warnings
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2022-03-05 19:38:56	brocellous	So? pacman  doesn't ask you to confirm downloading the db, only package installations
2022-03-05 19:39:19	Scimmia	so you know something is wrong. If you ignore that, it's on you
2022-03-05 19:39:34	jayray	if the dbs arent available from the mirror it will bomb.. other than that no
2022-03-05 19:39:54	brocellous	whats the plan to fix it at that point? pacman has already downloaded an overwritten the db, because you told it to with -yy
2022-03-05 19:40:00	jayray	smoking gun is "cant find package" or whatever the message is 
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2022-03-05 19:40:03	brocellous	what's wrong is adding -yy
2022-03-05 19:40:06	jayray	switch to a different mirror
2022-03-05 19:40:27	brocellous	* when you didn't need it
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2022-03-05 19:41:04	Scimmia	I do see what you're saying, but there would be so many red flags in a case like that that nobody should ever ignore it
2022-03-05 19:41:26	jayray	unless ur running a very bad unattended upgrade script
2022-03-05 19:41:34	Scimmia	there would be all of the databases failing to download, there would be warnings about local being newer than *, etc
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2022-03-05 19:41:45	jayray	*reflector should be part of base kit just sayin
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2022-03-05 19:42:14	brocellous	ignore or not, if your previous mirror is unavailable there's not much you can do then to be certain you avoid issue
2022-03-05 19:42:27	Scimmia	sure there is, pick a good mirror
2022-03-05 19:42:31	jayray	oh I forgot people use more than one mirror...
2022-03-05 19:42:36	Baphomet	Edu4rdSHL, tirnagog thanks for the clarification! If it's installed then my best guess then is that hpcups doesn't support my printer (which hpijs used to support around 8 years ago LOL)
2022-03-05 19:43:12	brocellous	A mirror is only "good" in this case if you can be certain it has a db newer than your old one, not your current one
2022-03-05 19:43:20	brocellous	you can't verify that
2022-03-05 19:43:36	brocellous	all this to say, it's pointless to specify -yy
2022-03-05 19:43:38	⚡ 	jayray guesses he will just leave these 16 nbd's
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2022-03-05 19:43:55	brocellous	it has downsides and no upside unless your db is _already_ bad
2022-03-05 19:44:00	jayray	yes
2022-03-05 19:44:03	jayray	reflector
2022-03-05 19:44:08	danso	Scimmia, i think you are right when you say nobody should ignore red flags this way. but i also think the point of that section of the wiki page is to help prevent mistakes like that from getting made
2022-03-05 19:44:12	ℹ 	coc0nut_ es conocido ahora como coc0nut
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2022-03-05 19:44:52	jayray	ngl have had bad mirror, but yes red flags made me tombstone it and pick another
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2022-03-05 19:45:27	jayray	but that is an oddity, probably happened a dozen times since 0.99 maybe
2022-03-05 19:45:42	Scimmia	danso: maybe, but know that it was reverted by a mod. You said you don't want to get into an edit war, which is good because your account would just be locked
2022-03-05 19:46:01	Scimmia	you need to use the talk page to make your case
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2022-03-05 19:47:15	brocellous	I agree with the remover here, it's not really a necessary addition since the previous para already says to use -Syu and its technically wrong because you cannot downgrade pacakges this way
2022-03-05 19:47:30	danso	i am not really interested in doing that. the position i am coming from is that i used to run a `pacman -Syyu` every time i upgraded, and now i know not to 
2022-03-05 19:47:47	Scimmia	and why did you do that in the first place?
2022-03-05 19:48:10	danso	there might have once been a reason why i started, but after a while it was just habit
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2022-03-05 20:11:10	Baphomet	Just a question, is archlinuxarm afilliated to archlinux project? And, case it's positive, would here be the place to ask questions about it? 
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2022-03-05 20:11:42	jelle	Baphomet: it's not
2022-03-05 20:11:48	jelle	!archlinuxarm
2022-03-05 20:11:48	@phrik	jelle: Eh?
2022-03-05 20:11:51	jelle	!arm
2022-03-05 20:11:51	@phrik	the ARM (Archlinux Rollback Machine) is now called ALA (Arch Linux Archive) https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_Archive
2022-03-05 20:11:55	jelle	!alarm
2022-03-05 20:11:55	lambda	!alarm
2022-03-05 20:11:55	@phrik	If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
2022-03-05 20:11:56	@phrik	If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
2022-03-05 20:12:27	Mathisen	dam more alarms in here that in ukraine
2022-03-05 20:12:33	Mathisen	than*
2022-03-05 20:12:39	⚡ 	jelle sighs
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2022-03-05 20:13:02	Baphomet	I just hope no one intends to make an invasion here 
2022-03-05 20:13:05	Baphomet	lol
2022-03-05 20:13:12	Baphomet	Thanks I'll try it there
2022-03-05 20:13:39	lambda	Baphomet: the manjaro users do that all the time
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2022-03-05 20:19:05	Ghosthree3	truly they are the worst
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2022-03-05 20:29:02	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-03-05 20:29:03	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1486 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1485 normals)
2022-03-05 20:27:11	Fr0stBit	Hello there! Quick nftables question if anybody knows: What does a rule do if it does NOT have a statement in the end?
2022-03-05 20:28:51	Fr0stBit	E.g. in `nft list ruleset` I can see rules like: `oifname "virbr3" ip daddr 10.4.0.0/24`
2022-03-05 20:29:03	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-03-05 20:29:32	Fr0stBit	I thought that every rule must at least have some statement like accept/reject/drop/jump...
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2022-03-05 20:33:27	demize	Fr0stBit: 'continue' is the default unless another verdict was specified.
2022-03-05 20:33:33	◣	stanlib (~archblade@user/stanlib) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2022-03-05 20:33:42	demize	So it doesn't do anything.
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2022-03-05 20:35:10	Fr0stBit	Ah thank you
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2022-03-05 20:48:36	Baphomet	lambda: well, I'll have a look on them, but I never used manjaro 
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2022-03-05 20:49:22	hellosway[m]	whats the best method to rollback/snapshot/backup /boot. I have a btrfs / partition with subvolumes, but /boot is the ESP and it is fat32
2022-03-05 20:49:32	mechabubba	hello
2022-03-05 20:50:07	Zetta1Reid0	Hello.If I remove cpupower will the kernel run at 100 % cpu frequency aways ?
2022-03-05 20:50:27	Namarrgon	Zetta1Reid0: no, you just won't be able to use cpupower
2022-03-05 20:50:40	hellosway[m]	why would you do that, its just asking for trouble
2022-03-05 20:50:43	ℹ 	finstern1s es conocido ahora como finsternis
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2022-03-05 20:51:29	Zetta1Reid0	What kind of trouble ? 
2022-03-05 20:51:55	hellosway[m]	burning out your cpu
2022-03-05 20:51:58	hellosway[m]	]decreasing its life
2022-03-05 20:52:14	Zetta1Reid0	Also why wouldnt it use my whole cpu frequency if i dont have cpupower
2022-03-05 20:52:35	Namarrgon	the kernel/cpu will do requency-scaling just fine without cpupower being installed
2022-03-05 20:52:40	hellosway[m]	I dont know, I have never done
2022-03-05 20:53:30	Zetta1Reid0	So with or withought it i can get to 100 % perf out of my cpu ?
2022-03-05 20:53:48	hellosway[m]	Namarrgon: the thing i s, userspace tools cannot, and it leads to kernel keeping the frequncy of the cpu at max even when it is unnecessary.
2022-03-05 20:54:02	Namarrgon	hellosway[m]: that's nonsense
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2022-03-05 20:54:05	wyre	hi guys, I cannot run a game in steam because of a problem with gameoverlayrenderer.so https://bpa.st/BSUA
2022-03-05 20:54:06	@phrik	Title: View paste BSUA (at bpa.st)
2022-03-05 20:54:11	wyre	can you give me a clue? 
2022-03-05 20:54:19	hellosway[m]	Zetta1Reid0: cpupower helps battery life, if a proscess uses the cpu, then the frequency will go up.
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2022-03-05 20:54:41	Zetta1Reid0	I am on desktop
2022-03-05 20:54:43	hellosway[m]	wyre: is this steamOS
2022-03-05 20:55:02	hellosway[m]	so its pure arch
2022-03-05 20:55:14	wyre	hellosway[m], I don't get your point
2022-03-05 20:55:23	wyre	I'm trying to run it in Arch 
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2022-03-05 20:56:28	hellosway[m]	I am hust asking becuase some people have been asking about steamos, sfter they mess it up in arch chaneels. Can you try flatpak steam
2022-03-05 20:56:36	hellosway[m]	sometimes system librarys cuase strange errors
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2022-03-05 20:58:14	Namarrgon	wyre: do other games work?
2022-03-05 20:58:29	Namarrgon	the overlay stuff is a red herring, it fails even on healthy setups
2022-03-05 20:58:31	wyre	Namarrgon, I'm not sure, let me try
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2022-03-05 20:58:38	Namarrgon	is this a 32bit game?
2022-03-05 20:58:44	wyre	Namarrgon, apparently so
2022-03-05 20:59:02	Namarrgon	which gpu are you using?
2022-03-05 20:59:28	wyre	Namarrgon, though I can see also 64bit errors https://bpa.st/BSUA#1L12
2022-03-05 20:59:29	@phrik	Title: View paste BSUA (at bpa.st)
2022-03-05 20:59:36	wyre	Namarrgon, other game works
2022-03-05 20:59:55	Namarrgon	forget the overlay, it's not a good indicator for anything
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2022-03-05 21:00:25	Namarrgon	find the executable of the game and run 'file' on it
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2022-03-05 21:02:43	Zetta1Reid0	wyre: can you try to turn off steam overlay then start the game to see if the problem is with the errors about the overlay ?
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2022-03-05 21:04:18	wyre	Namarrgon, https://bpa.st/P6NQ
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2022-03-05 21:04:20	@phrik	Title: View paste P6NQ (at bpa.st)
2022-03-05 21:04:35	wyre	Zetta1Reid0, steam overlay? 🤔
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2022-03-05 21:05:56	wyre	https://bpa.st/ZH6A
2022-03-05 21:05:57	@phrik	Title: View paste ZH6A (at bpa.st)
2022-03-05 21:06:10	wyre	I'd say it's trying to run these shell scripts
2022-03-05 21:06:21	Namarrgon	run file on the binary
2022-03-05 21:06:29	herpderp	I usually install chipset drivers, graphics drivers, sound drivers, network drivers, etc. after installing Windows. do I have to do that with Linux as well?
2022-03-05 21:06:34	wyre	but that's the https://bpa.st/AT3Q file output for the binary
2022-03-05 21:06:35	@phrik	Title: View paste AT3Q (at bpa.st)
2022-03-05 21:06:51	hellosway[m]	herpderp: is everythinbg woprking
2022-03-05 21:06:52	wyre	Namarrgon, the shell script? 
2022-03-05 21:06:59	Namarrgon	wyre: is the 32bit mesa installed?
2022-03-05 21:07:00	hellosway[m]	is it works, yoiu dont need drivers
2022-03-05 21:07:08	wyre	Namarrgon, it is
2022-03-05 21:07:10	herpderp	hellosway[m] yes and no
2022-03-05 21:07:11	thrice	herpderp: maybe"
2022-03-05 21:07:13	wyre	(lib32-mesa)
2022-03-05 21:07:22	Warepire	herpderp: Graphics drivers depends on your GPU (read: if you have nVidia), the rest should all come with Linux.
2022-03-05 21:07:42	hellosway[m]	you might need microcode
2022-03-05 21:07:43	herpderp	scrolling in chromium is a pain in the ass
2022-03-05 21:07:45	wyre	Namarrgon, https://bpa.st/MQJA that's the .sh script
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2022-03-05 21:07:45	@phrik	Title: View paste MQJA (at bpa.st)
2022-03-05 21:07:46	herpderp	micro freezing
2022-03-05 21:07:50	thrice	herpderp: some modules require firmware (either linux-firmware, ideally, or something external).  Some hardware can require external modules (say, nvidia graphics), too
2022-03-05 21:07:51	hellosway[m]	.
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2022-03-05 21:08:03	wyre	https://bpa.st/YKAQ
2022-03-05 21:08:03	hellosway[m]	herpderp: what gpu
2022-03-05 21:08:03	@phrik	Title: View paste YKAQ (at bpa.st)
2022-03-05 21:08:08	Namarrgon	wyre: did you start steam via "steam" or "steam-native"?
2022-03-05 21:08:19	wyre	Namarrgon, both
2022-03-05 21:08:24	wyre	no one starts it
2022-03-05 21:08:28	Ghosthree3	there are some things you might need in addition Warepire , not for a basic functioning system, but vulkan-radeon for exmaple is not something normally pulled in by default
2022-03-05 21:08:41	Namarrgon	wyre: what happens when you run the binary directly?
2022-03-05 21:08:44	micw	Hello. I installed a fresh laptop with xfce4. My window decorations are missing unless i uncheck composition
2022-03-05 21:08:50	herpderp	hellosway[m] NV110 family (Maxwell) - NV126 (GM206) - GeForce GTX 960
2022-03-05 21:09:13	micw	I did not install/change anything special, in all my other setups that just worked
2022-03-05 21:09:54	Zetta1Reid0	micw: Can you run in terminal xfwm4 and paste the output after switching compositing via settings?
2022-03-05 21:11:10	micw	no output
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2022-03-05 21:11:16	herpderp	and I am confused what to do https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#Installation - do I install the driver I download on nvidia.com or use pacman -S nvidia
2022-03-05 21:11:17	@phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-05 21:11:29	Namarrgon	never manually install the nvidia.com driver
2022-03-05 21:11:42	Namarrgon	!legacy
2022-03-05 21:11:43	@phrik	http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html
2022-03-05 21:11:43	micw	"xfwm4 --replace -c on" gives no decorations, with -c off i have decorations
2022-03-05 21:11:50	wyre	Namarrgon, https://bpa.st/FIZQ
2022-03-05 21:11:51	@phrik	Title: View paste FIZQ (at bpa.st)
2022-03-05 21:11:54	herpderp	didnt do it since I didnt know that to du with a *.run file :D
2022-03-05 21:11:56	Namarrgon	if your gpu isn't on any of these lists then you install the 'nvidia' driver
2022-03-05 21:12:23	Namarrgon	wyre: run the binary, not the script
2022-03-05 21:12:33	Warepire	herpderp: If your current GPU isn't supported by the current driver, you can usually find an appropriate version inte AUR.
2022-03-05 21:12:35	Zetta1Reid0	micw: Is compositing disabled by your video driver ?
2022-03-05 21:13:09	herpderp	Warepire how do I know if the current GPU is supported?
2022-03-05 21:13:20	Zetta1Reid0	micw: is your compositing disabled by your driver by any chance ?
2022-03-05 21:13:26	Warepire	herpderp: Check the link Namarrgon provided you
2022-03-05 21:13:28	micw	How can I check this?
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2022-03-05 21:13:47	micw	I run the "modesetting" driver
2022-03-05 21:14:04	wyre	Namarrgon, the script should start the game, I'm trying in another machine and it does, the binary however has a problem because of the library path is not set properly (I'd say) https://bpa.st/QHJQ because it does the same in both machines
2022-03-05 21:14:05	@phrik	Title: View paste QHJQ (at bpa.st)
2022-03-05 21:14:08	Namarrgon	wyre: https://www.protondb.com/app/238460 indicates that the native version is just broken and you should use the windows version via proton
2022-03-05 21:14:15	herpderp	Warepire my GeForce GTX 960 isn't on the list
2022-03-05 21:14:28	micw	as recommended in https://incenp.org/notes/2019/hwaccel-intel-uhd-graphics.html since the older intel chipset is badly supported
2022-03-05 21:14:29	@phrik	Title: Enabling Hardware Acceleration on GNU/Linux with a Intel UHD Graphics 620 Chipset (at incenp.org)
2022-03-05 21:14:40	Warepire	herpderp: Great, then it should be supported by the current driver
2022-03-05 21:14:54	herpderp	Warepire so I just need to do pacman -S nvidia
2022-03-05 21:14:55	wyre	Namarrgon, so strange, it works in my other machine and it's also Arch and it's running the native version 😆
2022-03-05 21:15:00	Warepire	herpderp: Yup!
2022-03-05 21:15:06	herpderp	brb, booting arch
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2022-03-05 21:15:54	micw	Hah, found the issue. Window decorations hav been 0% opaque ^^
2022-03-05 21:16:04	micw	No idea when/how that changed
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2022-03-05 21:16:23	micw	it's a slider in the composit dialogue
2022-03-05 21:16:51	Zetta1Reid0	glad you sorted that out :D
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2022-03-05 21:17:25	micw	ANother thing is that when i switch dpi from 96 to 120, it breaks laout of many applications
2022-03-05 21:17:42	thrice	so, don't do that?
2022-03-05 21:17:46	Zetta1Reid0	^
2022-03-05 21:17:46	micw	e.g. in hexchat, lines are truncated
2022-03-05 21:18:38	hellosway[m]	close and reopen the applications
2022-03-05 21:18:41	hellosway[m]	sometimes you might have to restart your de
2022-03-05 21:18:53	Zetta1Reid0	if you have a hidpi display just change the scalling in appearance settings
2022-03-05 21:18:55	micw	i bought some small laptop for traveling, it's full hd on 12"
2022-03-05 21:19:00	Namarrgon	gtk2 really doesn't like any other DPI and the layout is usually not tested on anything else
2022-03-05 21:19:21	Zetta1Reid0	gtk2 ? Xfce is gtk3
2022-03-05 21:19:27	micw	appearence window scaling allows only 1x and 2x
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2022-03-05 21:19:41	micw	maybe i just pick some larger fonts
2022-03-05 21:19:54	Namarrgon	Zetta1Reid0: hexchat is still gtk2
2022-03-05 21:20:01	Zetta1Reid0	ogh that yes
2022-03-05 21:20:29	micw	just switched from 9pt to 12pt font here ^^
2022-03-05 21:20:58	micw	I begin to like this laptop (ZenBook UX390U) :-)
2022-03-05 21:21:03	jb1277976	does systemd/logind affect gnome or just window managers?
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2022-03-05 21:21:18	thrice	affect how?
2022-03-05 21:21:51	Zetta1Reid0	micw: xfwm4 has an option to zoom desktop with Mod+Mouse wheel if it will make it easier for you.
2022-03-05 21:22:27	micw	Setting fonts is fine. I can set default fonts for the UI and some in apps
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2022-03-05 21:22:56	micw	Another issue, when I open WhiskerMenu, xorg consumes 100% of one cpu core as long as the menu is open
2022-03-05 21:23:22	micw	never noticed it before but it triggers the CPU fan after a few seconds on this device
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2022-03-05 21:23:34	herpderp	no difference
2022-03-05 21:23:42	herpderp	maybe even worse
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2022-03-05 21:24:01	thrice	is your session using hte nvidia driver?
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2022-03-05 21:24:12	herpderp	how do I check that
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2022-03-05 21:24:26	thrice	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#Xorg_configuration
2022-03-05 21:24:27	@phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-05 21:24:29	thrice	check your X log
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2022-03-05 21:29:16	herpderp	thrice: and what do I have to look for?
2022-03-05 21:29:21	Zetta1Reid0	micw: Holy fk. can you do killall xfce4-panel && PANEL_DEBUG=1 xfce4-panel and send me the output after you opened and closed whiskermenu
2022-03-05 21:29:25	herpderp	in the logs?
2022-03-05 21:29:37	thrice	herpderp: just paste it to a pastebin
2022-03-05 21:29:39	thrice	!ix
2022-03-05 21:29:39	@phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
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2022-03-05 21:29:52	thrice	stuff like "nvidia:"
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2022-03-06 08:57:38	Edu4rdSHL	Latest gst-* rebuild breaks the audio stack completely.
2022-03-06 09:33:07	GuiToris	can I get the path of the media that mpv is currently playing?
2022-03-06 09:34:14	thrice	Edu4rdSHL: ?
2022-03-06 09:34:25	Edu4rdSHL	thrice, ?
2022-03-06 09:36:23	thrice	your comment about the gst rebuild breaking audio
2022-03-06 09:36:23	mpan	GuiToris: my google-fu says: <https://github.com/blue-sky-r/mpv/blob/master/scripts/show-stream-title.lua#L108>.
2022-03-06 09:37:06	Edu4rdSHL	thrice, well, simply update all the gst-* packages to -3, restart your audio stack or computer, try to play something.
2022-03-06 09:37:29	thrice	I just did, it's working OK here
2022-03-06 09:37:41	Edu4rdSHL	Pipewire or pulseaudio?
2022-03-06 09:37:52	thrice	pipewire
2022-03-06 09:38:22	Edu4rdSHL	Well, I'm using pipewire + wireplumber and it doesn't work after the update
2022-03-06 09:39:21	thrice	but, a player that doesn't use gst still produces sound?
2022-03-06 09:39:46	Edu4rdSHL	Not even error messages are logged, every app that try to play something ends up trying to use a unknown output
2022-03-06 09:39:58	Edu4rdSHL	thrice, I don't know any, I can test I guess
2022-03-06 09:40:13	Edu4rdSHL	But everything stopped working, Chrome, Electron apps, etc
2022-03-06 09:40:15	thrice	vlc, for example
2022-03-06 09:40:17	Edu4rdSHL	Vlc, mpv
2022-03-06 09:40:22	Edu4rdSHL	It fails too
2022-03-06 09:40:29	thrice	well, those don't use gst
2022-03-06 09:40:45	thrice	unless you're on plasma and the entire phonon stack
2022-03-06 09:40:59	Edu4rdSHL	Well, downgrading gst-* fix the problem so it has to be related
2022-03-06 09:41:06	Edu4rdSHL	And no, I'm not on plasma
2022-03-06 09:41:28	thrice	I can't see why you're blaming gst, then :)
2022-03-06 09:41:42	Edu4rdSHL	Because updating that breaks the audio stack
2022-03-06 09:41:43	Edu4rdSHL	:)
2022-03-06 09:42:21	GuiToris	mpan, oh these are separate scripts,thanks. I thought you were showing the actual code of mpv
2022-03-06 09:42:25	thrice	gst are just kinda like the codecs.  chrome, vlc, etc. don't even use gst
2022-03-06 09:42:36	Edu4rdSHL	Simple, if I update to -3, nothing related to audio works, downgrading to -2 and everything works again
2022-03-06 09:42:54	mpan	GuiToris: no, a script that asks for a property that seems to contain the file name. Or perhaps some similarly named one will.
2022-03-06 09:43:10	Edu4rdSHL	thrice, well, it's causing problems here so...
2022-03-06 09:45:23	thrice	Edu4rdSHL: huh, odd.  WFM :(  http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-62247495635b90.44315409.jpg
2022-03-06 09:45:57	Edu4rdSHL	thrice, good, sadly I'm not lucky today :( 
2022-03-06 09:48:09	jb1277976	s it true that picom is now compton ?
2022-03-06 09:48:16	jb1277976	is*
2022-03-06 09:48:29	jb1277976	err compton is now picom ?
2022-03-06 09:48:45	Earnest	It has been for many years
2022-03-06 09:49:02	jb1277976	didn't know that till like 5 mins ago Earnest 
2022-03-06 09:49:14	jb1277976	Google search and a reddit post
2022-03-06 10:09:45	lavaball	i can crash the current tmux version 3.2a. same issue over at void. they could reproduce. anyone here wanna try?
2022-03-06 10:15:48	dmc	lavaball, how easy to reproduce?
2022-03-06 10:16:01	lavaball	very. otherwise i wouldn't have found it.
2022-03-06 10:16:14	lavaball	ctrl-b + : 
2022-03-06 10:16:33	lavaball	then press escape and backspace, escape and backstace, ... a few times. 
2022-03-06 10:16:36	lavaball	that should end your adventure.
2022-03-06 10:16:43	lavaball	be careful though, crashes all the tmuxes you have running.
2022-03-06 10:17:16	sheep	is that ctrl-b : or do I have to press + too?
2022-03-06 10:17:18	woodwose	auto-resampling with pipewire seems to have stopped with the most recent update
2022-03-06 10:17:25	woodwose	does anyone have clue how to troubleshoot this?
2022-03-06 10:17:54	lavaball	sheep, no +. sorry, i menat the control key combination of tmux, then : so you can enter commands at the bottom. then escape/backspace alternating a few times. 
2022-03-06 10:17:54	woodwose	I updated the config files already without success
2022-03-06 10:18:55	dmc	seems to work fine on Debian.. bah /me closes everything in his local(Arch) tmux instance to prepare to test
2022-03-06 10:18:55	sheep	lavaball: wow it does crash, though I tried it on a gentoo systenm
2022-03-06 10:19:10	lavaball	dmc, yeah, ubutnu 3.0a works.
2022-03-06 10:19:19	lavaball	void and arch have 3.2a. that one crashes.
2022-03-06 10:19:32	lavaball	sheep, what version are you spotting?
2022-03-06 10:19:39	sheep	3.2a
2022-03-06 10:19:54	lavaball	then i guess it's an 3.2a issue.
2022-03-06 10:20:22	dmc	3.2a-4+b1 on Debian Sid
2022-03-06 10:20:33	lavaball	not that i know anything. i'm just annoyed when i crash tmux,becuase i'm hitting escape and backspace becuase nothing is happening, for i am still in text mode ...
2022-03-06 10:20:48	lavaball	oohhh, sid. you live on the edge!
2022-03-06 10:21:16	dmc	might be doing something wrong, doesn't seem to happen on my Arch install either
2022-03-06 10:21:52	lavaball	you do have to press it about three times, esc, backspace, esc, backspace, ...
2022-03-06 10:21:54	lavaball	that's all i know.
2022-03-06 10:22:10	lavaball	and you have to be in command mode or what it's called, when you can enter stuff at the bottom.
2022-03-06 10:22:47	dmc	maybe it's because of my tmux configs
2022-03-06 10:23:01	lavaball	i wouldn't know. i just destroy things.
2022-03-06 10:23:06	dmc	^^
2022-03-06 10:23:31	dmc	maybe `set -g escape-time 10` is saving me
2022-03-06 10:25:01	dmc	I can mash esc+backspace as much as I want
2022-03-06 10:25:08	lavaball	show off!
2022-03-06 10:25:16	dmc	😎
2022-03-06 10:25:39	dmc	(in command mode ofc)
2022-03-06 10:26:26	lavaball	didn't think you were incompetent, don't worry. 
2022-03-06 10:26:35	dmc	alright reproduced after moving my config file
2022-03-06 10:27:36	dmc	that option indeed seems to be what was saving me
2022-03-06 10:28:15	dmc	(moved the config file back and then removed that lin)
2022-03-06 10:28:16	dmc	line
2022-03-06 10:28:37	lavaball	testing things like a pro.
2022-03-06 10:28:51	dmc	https://gitlab.com/polyzen/dotfiles/-/blob/master/base/.config/tmux/tmux.conf
2022-03-06 10:28:52	@phrik	Title: base/.config/tmux/tmux.conf · master · Daniel M. Capella / dotfiles · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2022-03-06 10:29:37	sheep	lavaball: is there a bug report for this somewhere?
2022-03-06 10:32:00	lavaball	sheep, i don't know. i don't think so. i don't think anyone else mashes buttons when stuff doesn't work.
2022-03-06 10:32:19	dmc	I've definitely mashed buttons to get out of tmux's command mode
2022-03-06 10:32:37	sheep	the error is in using memmove, so that's probably a serious issue
2022-03-06 10:32:39	dmc	then you finally find ctrl-c works
2022-03-06 10:33:24	lavaball	i found a serious issue?!
2022-03-06 10:33:26	dmc	sheep, how'd you debug, strace?
2022-03-06 10:33:28	lavaball	all hail me!
2022-03-06 10:33:37	dmc	hail lavaball
2022-03-06 10:33:38	sheep	gdb
2022-03-06 10:33:51	sheep	since this is a gentoo box I recompiled tmux with debug symbols
2022-03-06 10:38:29	dmc	apparently that's the tool to use to debug crashing
2022-03-06 10:39:39	dmc	tried using it on Steam once unsuccessfully
2022-03-06 10:40:13	dmc	but it was the game that was crashing and not Steam
2022-03-06 10:40:57	lavaball	is steam open source?
2022-03-06 10:40:58	dmc	pretty sure you can launch games directly but couldn't find how again
2022-03-06 10:41:16	dmc	not sure
2022-03-06 10:41:37	dmc	and its core dumps are in the Microsoft format iirc
2022-03-06 10:42:06	another|	lavaball: absolutely not
2022-03-06 10:42:52	lavaball	so how would the debug stuff help then? 
2022-03-06 10:43:35	another|	I don't think there are debug symbols for steam
2022-03-06 10:45:12	dmc	lavaball, filing a bug report for tmux?
2022-03-06 10:46:16	lavaball	i don't think that's necessary. over at #tmux the guy said next-3.4 isn't crashing. he can only reproduce it in 3.2a. so yeah.
2022-03-06 10:47:13	mkoskar	lavaball: why are you crossposting this issue between channels? obviously #tmux is the right place for seeking help
2022-03-06 10:47:51	lavaball	i wasn't seeking help. i went there first. he said the issue is fixed in 3.4. so i thought it would be nice of me to telling you guys.
2022-03-06 10:48:43	lavaball	if you think i should have i won't next time.
2022-03-06 10:49:13	lavaball	as for me seeking help: how about i just stop mashing escape and backspace? there. problem fixed.
2022-03-06 10:49:42	lavaball	oh, "think i shouldn't have". my bad.
2022-03-06 10:50:49	dmc	heh makes me think of the common doctor response to "doing so-and-so hurts": "so stop doing that"
2022-03-06 10:51:18	dmc	good to know it's resolved in the future release
2022-03-06 10:54:29	lavaball	that's why i came here. because if it's fixed in a future release, then this is the place to go if i want the newer version in the arch repo. so the more i think about it, i did nothing wrong here. 
2022-03-06 10:54:56	lavaball	my greatness doesn't come into question.
2022-03-06 10:55:01	sheep	if tmux 3.4 has been released then you can flag it as out of date on https://archlinux.org/packages/
2022-03-06 10:55:04	@phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2022-03-06 10:55:35	mkoskar	tbh I feel like 0.1% of people actually use tmux command line (I know I never do) and then 99.9% have escape-time set to 0 or very small value, and then 100% of people don't press <BS> and <ESC> rapidly in 10 times in a sequence so I'm pretty sure this issue is in category of "meh"
2022-03-06 10:56:33	mkoskar	nevertheless nice find
2022-03-06 10:56:46	lavaball	mkoskar, yeah, of course. why should i ask about it if i'm the only one it matters to. next time i come to you to get my issue approved first.
2022-03-06 10:57:24	lavaball	seriously, i actually came here as a courtesy. i'm not a regular here anymore, and now i remember why i left.
2022-03-06 10:57:28	lavaball	good day to you, sir.
2022-03-06 11:02:40	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-06 11:07:29	dmc	mkoskar you big fat meanie
2022-03-06 11:10:41	teraflops	I do not remember why I came here
2022-03-06 11:11:38	◣	kts (~kts@103.73.237.221) ha salido (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
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2022-03-06 11:11:38	dmc	I use the command mode to move panes/windows around
2022-03-06 11:11:38	◣	jonathon (~jx@user/jonathon) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-03-06 11:11:38	Edu4rdSHL	xD
2022-03-06 11:11:38	dmc	or in the very rare occasion set options
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2022-03-06 11:11:46	NetSysFire	nobody does
2022-03-06 11:11:48	◣	jtgd (~jtgd@user/jtgd) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.4)
2022-03-06 11:11:52	Edu4rdSHL	thrice, audio works now again with the up to date libs >.<
2022-03-06 11:11:57	Warepire	teraflops: Try the classic leave the room and come back?
2022-03-06 11:12:00	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-03-06 11:12:00	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-03-06 11:12:10	Edu4rdSHL	And I have not touched anything lmao
2022-03-06 11:12:12	◣	jtgd (~jtgd@user/jtgd) ha salido (Client Quit)
2022-03-06 11:12:15	mkoskar	dmc: :( I know, trying to lose some weight tho
2022-03-06 11:12:28	teraflops	Warepire: iirc my therapist told me to talk with actual people ;)
2022-03-06 11:12:43	NetSysFire	we are all bots though
2022-03-06 11:12:46	NetSysFire	beep boop
2022-03-06 11:12:54	another|	boop beep?
2022-03-06 11:13:08	Edu4rdSHL	phrik, are you a bot?
2022-03-06 11:13:08	@phrik	Greatfully false.
2022-03-06 11:13:09	Warepire	1 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 1
2022-03-06 11:13:38	teraflops	tbh this chat is the most polite i've ever been in, except maybe haskell one
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2022-03-06 11:13:54	teraflops	those guys look like jedi knights
2022-03-06 11:14:08	NetSysFire	the neomutt folks are very polite, too
2022-03-06 11:14:24	dmc	mkoskar, nfsw iirc https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=ylT16QB6Uig
2022-03-06 11:14:25	@phrik	Title: Piped (at piped.kavin.rocks)
2022-03-06 11:14:35	NetSysFire	oi, nsfw in the ontopic channel?!
2022-03-06 11:14:48	another|	teraflops: heh. oh my. you poor soul
2022-03-06 11:14:54	teraflops	;)
2022-03-06 11:15:29	dmc	teraflops, for real?
2022-03-06 11:16:03	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-03-06 11:16:03	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-03-06 11:16:04	dmc	I recall Haskell people being the most elitist
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2022-03-06 11:16:44	dmc	maybe just a meme
2022-03-06 11:16:44	teraflops	dmc: very polite indeed, to the point I started to think they were trolling me
2022-03-06 11:16:53	dmc	lol
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2022-03-06 11:28:09	dmc	NetSysFire, well relatively nsfw, but that has copious amounts of censors
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2022-03-06 11:29:50	woodwose	there seems to be an issue with pipewire 0.3.48, sampe rate switching doesn't work anymore, downgrading to 0.3.47 works flawlessly
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2022-03-06 11:30:48	ℹ 	xoan8 es conocido ahora como xoan
2022-03-06 11:31:10	Edu4rdSHL	Honestly, a pipewire issue, not an Arch issue.
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2022-03-06 11:31:47	woodwose	well... they suggested that it's either a pebcak or an arch issue
2022-03-06 11:31:56	woodwose	but fuck em
2022-03-06 11:31:58	dmc	woodwose, try bisecting if you can
2022-03-06 11:32:08	woodwose	I don#t know how to troubleshoot this
2022-03-06 11:32:27	ℹ 	Billiard_ es conocido ahora como Billiard
2022-03-06 11:32:29	dmc	bisecting = narrowing down the commit that introduced the issue
2022-03-06 11:32:32	woodwose	I literally just downgraded to 0.3.47 and it works again
2022-03-06 11:32:40	woodwose	dmc, ;^/
2022-03-06 11:32:56	dmc	man 1 git-bisect
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2022-03-06 11:33:20	woodwose	anyone else around that makes use of sample rate switching?
2022-03-06 11:34:09	teraflops	woodwose: sorry for poking you directly, if you do use bluetooth, did you notice you cannot change sample rate beyond 48khz?
2022-03-06 11:34:31	woodwose	I do not use bluetooth
2022-03-06 11:34:37	teraflops	thanks anyway
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2022-03-06 11:35:14	woodwose	also, didn't I just say, that it works flawlessly with 0.3.47?
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2022-03-06 11:35:51	woodwose	it's hilarious that the pipewire folks call it pebcak when I didn't change anything myself other than updating to 0.3.48
2022-03-06 11:35:52	teraflops	old issue, not related to latest package
2022-03-06 11:36:11	teraflops	(the bt one)
2022-03-06 11:37:12	dmc	woodwose, bisecting is a great practice to learn
2022-03-06 11:37:27	Warepire	woodwose: A bisect means to install every change revision (not package version) between 0.3.47 and 0.3.48, a tool called git-bisect will help optimize the process. see "man git-bisect" for more information
2022-03-06 11:37:28	woodwose	it depends on what one's priorities are
2022-03-06 11:38:09	Warepire	If it's an upstream issue and they do not believe so, a bisect is the best way to make that issue progress
2022-03-06 11:38:19	woodwose	sometimes a user just wants to use a fucken distribution and not become a dev themselves
2022-03-06 11:38:25	dmc	if the issue remains in the next release you might have to
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2022-03-06 11:38:56	dmc	open source 🌈
2022-03-06 11:39:09	woodwose	free/libre
2022-03-06 11:39:12	Warepire	Running a rolling release distro is probably not the best for you if you want it to "always work"
2022-03-06 11:39:18	Edu4rdSHL	Opensource > FOSS
2022-03-06 11:39:22	Edu4rdSHL	Change my mind
2022-03-06 11:39:24	woodwose	that's such an arrogant stupid statement
2022-03-06 11:39:42	dmc	let's keep it civil
2022-03-06 11:39:52	another|	no. that's a pretty reasonable argument
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2022-03-06 11:39:59	teraflops	holy cow...
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2022-03-06 11:40:19	woodwose	I did at no time claim that I want arch to always work
2022-03-06 11:40:36	woodwose	telling me to use some otherdistribution because I am not willing to bisect a piece of software is just retarded
2022-03-06 11:40:44	jelle	woodwose: calm down
2022-03-06 11:40:53	woodwose	and now there are not only the arrogant dumbasses from pipewire but also the wanna bes from arch
2022-03-06 11:40:59	jelle	no they are not
2022-03-06 11:40:59	woodwose	na, go fuck yourself
2022-03-06 11:41:03	dmc	:D
2022-03-06 11:41:06	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+o jelle] por ChanServ
2022-03-06 11:41:08	◣	jelle ha expulsado woodwose (woodwose)
2022-03-06 11:41:17	teraflops	we are having a interesting day
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2022-03-06 11:41:19	Edu4rdSHL	jelle to the rescue
2022-03-06 11:41:28	teraflops	an^
2022-03-06 11:41:30	jmariondev	yikes
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2022-03-06 11:41:45	⚡ 	Warepire apparently struck a nerve, woops?
2022-03-06 11:42:01	AlexC	unlucko
2022-03-06 11:42:34	Edu4rdSHL	jelle, RAID0 with RAID0 metadata or RAID1 metadata on nvme?
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2022-03-06 11:43:15	@jelle	no opinion :)
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2022-03-06 12:00:42	csm3105	Hi guys, I'm having problems with npm when I'm upgrading my system https://bpa.st/WGRA
2022-03-06 12:00:43	@phrik	Title: View paste WGRA (at bpa.st)
2022-03-06 12:01:19	@jelle	csm3105: did you ever do sudo npm install?
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2022-03-06 12:02:05	Warepire	pacman -Qo <file> to find out
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2022-03-06 12:03:17	csm3105	jelle, apparently these files are from npm itself so how could I have installed npm through npm without npm installed
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2022-03-06 12:03:59	Edu4rdSHL	journalctl -e -b -p 4..1
2022-03-06 12:04:07	Edu4rdSHL	Ups, wrong window
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2022-03-06 12:15:50	csm3105	It's fixed now, I uninstalled npm and updated the system again, thanks anyway!
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2022-03-06 12:18:43	Abdullah	Hi guys, I can play music with mpd on tty{2..7} but can't play with mpv/mplayer. video is okay
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2022-03-06 12:19:19	Edu4rdSHL	Abdullah, what errors do you get?
2022-03-06 12:20:36	Abdullah	Edu4rdSHL: init failed. connection refused
2022-03-06 12:21:03	Abdullah	audio output configured in mpd also uses same pulse audio
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2022-03-06 12:21:49	another|	pulse or pipewire?
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2022-03-06 12:25:02	Abdullah	another|: pulse
2022-03-06 12:25:38	Abdullah	works okay in x. only problem is ttys...
2022-03-06 12:25:46	another|	pactl info
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2022-03-06 12:27:36	Abdullah	another|: http://ix.io/3Ruh
2022-03-06 12:29:11	Abdullah	this output I got only from X session. if I do this from ttys, there is error, connection refused
2022-03-06 12:29:52	another|	means pulse probably is not running
2022-03-06 12:30:09	HuntsMan	Abdullah: which vo are you using in tty?
2022-03-06 12:30:14	another|	you might need to start it as a user service
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2022-03-06 12:32:05	Abdullah	HuntsMan: gpu
2022-03-06 12:32:24	Abdullah	another|: its running. 
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2022-03-06 12:32:54	HuntsMan	Abdullah: use null or something like that, as it is trying to connect to X11
2022-03-06 12:33:59	Abdullah	HuntsMan: ao=null ?
2022-03-06 12:34:19	another|	vo
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2022-03-06 12:35:06	Edu4rdSHL	jelle, can I dm you?
2022-03-06 12:35:09	Abdullah	another|: vo is fine. I can see video
2022-03-06 12:35:20	Abdullah	only audio problem 
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2022-03-06 12:37:08	another|	echo $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR
2022-03-06 12:37:14	Abdullah	wondering how mpd is working fine in tty but mpv doesn't
2022-03-06 12:37:15	@jelle	Edu4rdSHL: sure
2022-03-06 12:37:27	Abdullah	another|: thta's not set
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2022-03-06 12:38:44	another|	XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000 pactl info
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2022-03-06 12:42:26	Abdullah	another|: now working...
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2022-03-06 12:45:14	TheSilentLink	Hi I have the arch linux iso and I keep getting invalid signature. I'm using the march iso is there an issue with it?
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2022-03-06 12:45:37	TheSilentLink	unknown trust
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2022-03-06 12:46:19	another|	Abdullah: there you have it
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2022-03-06 12:49:55	Namarrgon	TheSilentLink: what is the exact gpg output?
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2022-03-06 12:51:26	Abdullah	another|:  aw says pam_systemd sets it but I didn't get a value. so I have to export it in my shell startup files as XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/`id -u`
2022-03-06 12:51:56	another|	for example
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2022-03-06 13:00:44	wyre	what package contains signal(7) manpage? 🤔
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2022-03-06 13:02:05	Earnest	!pkgfile signal.7.gz
2022-03-06 13:02:05	@phrik	Earnest: The answer is 42.
2022-03-06 13:02:11	Earnest	!nosr signal.7.gz
2022-03-06 13:02:11	@phrik	Earnest: Eh?
2022-03-06 13:02:21	Earnest	!wtf signal.7.gz
2022-03-06 13:02:23	@phrik	Earnest: core/man-pages community/man-pages-cs community/man-pages-de community/man-pages-fr community/man-pages-it community/man-pages-pl community/man-pages-zh_cn community/man-pages-zh_tw
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2022-03-06 13:14:21	wyre	ty Earnest :)
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2022-03-07 13:06:45	Edu4rdSHL	Sinbad, ooh.
2022-03-07 13:07:50	Sinbad	all the alerts came two days ago but warnings have been issued for a while.
2022-03-07 13:13:54	MD87	Edu4rdSHL: https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en is the official notice
2022-03-07 13:13:55	@phrik	Title: Less secure apps & your Google Account - Google Account Help (at support.google.com)
2022-03-07 13:15:23	Edu4rdSHL	MD87, thank you! Weird that google didn't informed about that...
2022-03-07 13:15:44	Edu4rdSHL	Time to update the auth code
2022-03-07 13:15:52	Edu4rdSHL	Time to update the auth source code*
2022-03-07 13:32:53	skinkie	When I modify a PKGBUILD, for example adding a patch. Is there an automatic way to update the sha256 hashes?
2022-03-07 13:33:10	grawity	updpkgsums
2022-03-07 13:33:15	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Makepkg#Generate_new_checksums
2022-03-07 13:33:16	@phrik	Title: makepkg - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-07 13:33:41	hiya	error: failed retrieving file 'expat-2.4.7-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst' from cloudflaremirrors.com : HTTP server doesn't seem to support byte ranges. Cannot resume.
2022-03-07 13:33:45	hiya	What is going on yo
2022-03-07 13:35:20	skinkie	grawity thurstylark: thanks. That looks easier than the makepkg -g approach :)
2022-03-07 13:37:04	Edu4rdSHL	hiya, delete the package part from the pacman cache and try again
2022-03-07 13:37:33	grawity	hmm is that the pacman bug that makes it try range requests for fully downloaded files?
2022-03-07 13:37:59	@jelle	hiya: what mirror? cloudflare?
2022-03-07 13:38:32	hiya	jelle: yes cloudflare
2022-03-07 13:38:41	@jelle	that's a known issue yeah :)
2022-03-07 13:38:52	hiya	should I change it to something else?
2022-03-07 13:39:06	hiya	How to delete the package part from pacman cache?
2022-03-07 13:39:10	hiya	pacman -Scc ?
2022-03-07 13:39:46	thurstylark	it gave you the file name. `pacman -v` will tell you the package cache dir.
2022-03-07 13:41:48	hiya	ok deleted and fixed
2022-03-07 13:47:38	jeramiah	I created an LVM volume group on an encrypted disk with cryptsetup. After rebooting, I can't figure out how to get lvm to open the volume group after I open it with cryptsetup, does anynoe know how?
2022-03-07 13:49:37	thurstylark	they should show up somewhere in /dev/mapper/ automatically after unlocking
2022-03-07 13:50:17	jeramiah	hmm, I unlock it but they don't show up, only the device shows up
2022-03-07 13:50:40	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/LVM#Logical_Volumes_do_not_show_up
2022-03-07 13:50:41	@phrik	Title: LVM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-07 13:52:02	jeramiah	thanks! Unfortunately it didn't work, maybe there is a problem somehow
2022-03-07 13:55:14	thurstylark	can you post the output of `lsblk -f` to a paste service?
2022-03-07 13:55:23	cyphertite	jeramiah:  run, as root:  'pvscan', 'vgscan' and 'lvscan'.  The output might point you in the correct direction
2022-03-07 13:57:40	Khorne	jeramiah, did you add the lvm hooks to the initramfs and rebuilt it?
2022-03-07 13:59:53	Scimmia	this doesn't appear to be for root
2022-03-07 14:01:51	Khorne	Ah, right
2022-03-07 14:04:30	jeramiah	!paste
2022-03-07 14:04:30	@phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-03-07 14:12:58	mpan	thumbs: before you spend too much time on that person on #libera: they claim that something is randomly changing the number in their name each time they register. This is a number in the middle of their name, and it would have started from ‘m’, not from a digit, so even a broken client would not do that. Plus the supposed other accounts were never registered.
2022-03-07 14:13:25	thumbs	mpan: I'll give them a tiny benefit of the doubt
2022-03-07 14:13:34	mpan	Sure, just giving a friendly hint. :)
2022-03-07 14:24:51	thumbs	seems to be a legitimate user.
2022-03-07 14:27:56	Frozen_Sherbet	test
2022-03-07 14:29:07	cyphertite	hmmh, ^must have melted quite quickly ;-)
2022-03-07 14:29:13	jschpp	xD
2022-03-07 15:14:15	jeramiah	Is there something I need to do to get lvm to autodetect the disk? I can create a new volume with pvcreate. It shows up in lsblk -f. If I close the encrypted disk and open it again, it is not detected
2022-03-07 15:14:48	Khorne	jeramiah, is uh lvmetad running?
2022-03-07 15:14:55	jeramiah	If I create a new ext4 volume for example, it does warn me that I'm overwriting an existing filesystem, so the encryption is working
2022-03-07 15:15:10	grawity	hmm iirc lvmetad is now obsolete and udev-rule helpers do the tasks?
2022-03-07 15:15:14	grawity	or is it still in use?
2022-03-07 15:15:24	Khorne	Oh..good question then
2022-03-07 15:16:25	Khorne	Is still have a lvm2-monitor service 
2022-03-07 15:16:43	hay	Greetings
2022-03-07 15:17:38	another|	jeramiah: did you stop the vg before closing the luks container?
2022-03-07 15:19:29	jeramiah	another| yes I also rebooted
2022-03-07 15:20:11	Khorne	jeramiah, is lvm2-monitor.service running?
2022-03-07 15:21:57	jeramiah	I tried starting it
2022-03-07 15:22:36	jeramiah	it's active (exited), I think that is normal
2022-03-07 15:22:45	Khorne	Was it started before?
2022-03-07 15:23:04	Khorne	Or do the volumes now show up when you unlock the cryptdevice?
2022-03-07 15:24:18	JohnML	  Edu4rdSHL NetSysFire ... journal begin end : the answer is https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/21775
2022-03-07 15:25:11	jeramiah	it doesn't make a difference
2022-03-07 15:26:02	Khorne	uuuh
2022-03-07 15:26:20	Khorne	you said you created a volume with pvcreate, did you also create a vg and lv?
2022-03-07 15:27:00	jeramiah	yes and it works fine, until I close it
2022-03-07 15:28:55	Khorne	So, does it get picked up by the pv/vg/lvscan commands after closing and opening the cryptdevice?
2022-03-07 15:30:39	jeramiah	So it works until I close it, then lsblk -f no longer recognises that I have an LVM device and the volume groups don't appear
2022-03-07 15:30:49	jeramiah	(after I open it again of course)
2022-03-07 15:31:04	Khorne	Okay, sure, that doesn't answer my question
2022-03-07 15:33:48	MacGyver	Don't you just have to run an explicit pvscan at that point?
2022-03-07 15:34:21	MacGyver	I wonder whether there are any udev rules in place that do this when a DM-device attaches.
2022-03-07 15:34:43	MacGyver	But even if there are, they might be failing.
2022-03-07 15:35:13	MacGyver	jeramiah: What happens if you run a pvscan, vgscan, and lvscan manually?
2022-03-07 15:36:45	Khorne	Yea, I'm pretty sure the lvm2-monitor wants to be copied and enable monitoring for pvs as well
2022-03-07 15:36:52	jeramiah	pvscan says 'No matching physical volumes found'
2022-03-07 15:36:57	red_	Good morning, fine folks.
2022-03-07 15:37:18	jeramiah	Sorry Khorne, yes it works (and is visible from the lvm tools)
2022-03-07 15:37:45	NetSysFire	!give red_ welcomerpg
2022-03-07 15:37:46	Khorne	Wait, which is it? Fails to find matching physical volumes or works?
2022-03-07 15:37:46	@phrik	red_: Welcome to #archlinux - How can we assist you?
2022-03-07 15:37:50	jeramiah	MacGyver, they all return no result
2022-03-07 15:38:03	jeramiah	Khorne, it works fine after they are created
2022-03-07 15:38:12	jeramiah	but if you close it, they are not detected when you open it again
2022-03-07 15:38:38	Khorne	This is a very confusing conversation.
2022-03-07 15:38:42	Namarrgon	what does the storage stack under the PV look like?
2022-03-07 15:38:47	red_	Woah, a bunch of updates last night. I'm scared?
2022-03-07 15:38:50	another|	jeramiah: how are you closing?
2022-03-07 15:39:18	jeramiah	lvm vgchange -a n; cryptsetup close /dev/mapper/mydisk
2022-03-07 15:39:19	Namarrgon	red_: you use arch, panic is the baseline emotion
2022-03-07 15:39:31	red_	lmaooo
2022-03-07 15:39:42	red_	Going two weeks strong, linux newbie. It has NOT broken yet.
2022-03-07 15:39:53	NetSysFire	lies
2022-03-07 15:40:00	red_	I'm as suprised as you are.
2022-03-07 15:40:16	NetSysFire	!give red_ alfa
2022-03-07 15:40:17	@phrik	red_: https://haavard.me/files/alfa.pdf
2022-03-07 15:40:21	NetSysFire	fill that out when your system finally breaks
2022-03-07 15:40:36	red_	XD
2022-03-07 15:40:47	mpan	It requires some skill or major negligence to break Arch.
2022-03-07 15:41:03	mtn	naw, just  try harder
2022-03-07 15:41:07	Namarrgon	oh boy, the waybar update added application icons to the taskbar
2022-03-07 15:41:10	MacGyver	jeramiah: Okay, so then when you subsequently just *list* pvs, vgs, and lvs in lvm, they're not listed?
2022-03-07 15:41:22	jeramiah	MacGyver: yes that's right
2022-03-07 15:41:23	MacGyver	jeramiah: I don't care what lsblk says. What does lvm itself say?
2022-03-07 15:42:00	red_	I have to admit that I'm starting to get frustrated, and it's because of gaming. I still have to configure the xbox wireless usb dongle, wine, lutris, steam bs, etc. Oh and CUPS... I want to format my Windows 10 boot forever..
2022-03-07 15:42:26	jeramiah	so after I create it, all these show my volumes. After I re-open it it doesn't seem to recognize that there is an LVM volume at all
2022-03-07 15:43:04	MacGyver	You'll want to read the journal, everything that happens during and after running the luks open.
2022-03-07 15:43:13	red_	I can A. continue to configure arch the way I want it, and continue enjoying. B. start crying and install mint and have my problems solved for me. 
2022-03-07 15:43:17	@jelle	red_: buy a steamdeck
2022-03-07 15:43:18	⚡ 	jelle runs
2022-03-07 15:43:25	red_	The problem is that it's hideous and ugly and I do not like apt
2022-03-07 15:43:33	red_	I'm new to linux so I'm already used to pacman and yay
2022-03-07 15:43:40	NetSysFire	no
2022-03-07 15:43:46	NetSysFire	steam OS is arch based
2022-03-07 15:44:15	Khorne	s/arch //
2022-03-07 15:44:26	red_	NetSysFire: I learned my lesson talking about arch-based OSes in here. When endeavour had xfce ALLL messed up lmao
2022-03-07 15:44:33	red_	compositor was broken
2022-03-07 15:44:41	NetSysFire	well, this is why jelle ran away
2022-03-07 15:44:41	ds	red_: CUPS isn't so bad. might take a bit to get your head around it but with the right drivers (in my case hplip) it tends to just work
2022-03-07 15:44:48	@jelle	NetSysFire: it was a joke ;-)
2022-03-07 15:44:54	NetSysFire	yeah this is what i meant with this
2022-03-07 15:44:58	red_	ds: yeah I found an AUR driver specifically for my brother printer so I should be alright.
2022-03-07 15:45:05	red_	I don't have to build it
2022-03-07 15:45:07	red_	build/wrap
2022-03-07 15:45:11	MacGyver	s/drivers/printer definition files/
2022-03-07 15:45:15	ds	^
2022-03-07 15:45:22	MacGyver	I wish we would really get out of the habit of calling those damn things drivers.
2022-03-07 15:45:27	MacGyver	It's *so* confusing :')
2022-03-07 15:45:42	ds	heh, guilty as charged. cups is one of those things i tend to set and forget
2022-03-07 15:45:45	Gagis	satan bless the people who setup those drivers on aur. I had to configure one brother printer on my own and it was a gigantic pain in the ass
2022-03-07 15:45:53	red_	Gagis: this is where I am now
2022-03-07 15:46:06	red_	f*cking xbox one usb dongle the bane of my existence 
2022-03-07 15:46:37	ds	Gagis: the wifi ones are extra fun
2022-03-07 15:46:44	red_	my buddy on kubuntu is whispering in my ear like a little devil
2022-03-07 15:46:48	red_	"it just works man, come on"
2022-03-07 15:47:02	ds	'til they run dist-upgrade and break everything
2022-03-07 15:47:21	red_	lmao
2022-03-07 15:48:16	red_	I'd love some of the stuff manjaro comes bloated with, but not most of it. this does not exist. arch only exists
2022-03-07 15:48:54	MacGyver	red_: I assume you've found https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Gamepad#Xbox_Wireless_Controller_/_Xbox_One_Wireless_Controller
2022-03-07 15:48:56	@phrik	Title: Gamepad - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-07 15:49:51	@jelle	the one S works mostly out of the box
2022-03-07 15:50:01	@jelle	the series X needs some TLC or that hacky xpadneo driver
2022-03-07 15:50:11	MacGyver	It's a shame the Steam Controller's gone the way of the dodo.
2022-03-07 15:50:20	red_	MacGyver: yup. xow seems to be the answer for me. it's the "usb dongle" that takes some config to get it to appear 
2022-03-07 15:50:35	demonicmaniac	you could just use a sane gamepad
2022-03-07 15:50:38	MacGyver	Makes me wonder how long software like sc-controller will be supported.
2022-03-07 15:50:48	red_	the xbox controller is very comfortable, it's the "standard" for many
2022-03-07 15:50:55	@jelle	MacGyver: what is sc-controller?
2022-03-07 15:51:06	MacGyver	jelle: Een open-source configurator for the steam controller.
2022-03-07 15:51:17	@jelle	aha!
2022-03-07 15:51:19	MacGyver	s/Een/An/
2022-03-07 15:51:21	red_	https://github.com/medusalix/xow
2022-03-07 15:51:26	red_	this is supposedly my ticket to freedom
2022-03-07 15:51:32	MacGyver	Which comes in handy when you want to use it in e.g. Dolphin.
2022-03-07 15:51:40	@jelle	MacGyver: aha
2022-03-07 15:51:46	demonicmaniac	you can get xbox layout xinput compatible controllers that simply work though without dumb dongle
2022-03-07 15:51:48	MacGyver	Because Steam won't switch it to the game's profile unless a 3D renderer is active.
2022-03-07 15:51:51	⚡ 	jelle guesses dolphin does not use sdl?
2022-03-07 15:52:10	red_	demonicmaniac: I'm sure, but I have a few xbox controllers laying around, they work, and are not cheap
2022-03-07 15:52:14	MacGyver	jelle: Remind me what SDL stands for.
2022-03-07 15:52:15	red_	I'd hate to buy something else at this point
2022-03-07 15:52:43	@jelle	MacGyver: it's some graphics lib
2022-03-07 15:52:47	@jelle	ah it does not
2022-03-07 15:53:24	demonicmaniac	MacGyver: simple direct media layer
2022-03-07 15:53:34	demonicmaniac	steam does use sdl2 and sdl2s game controller db for layout mapping
2022-03-07 15:54:04	MacGyver	Right, but I'm certain that it also just works in Dolphin *once* the game has started.
2022-03-07 15:54:16	MacGyver	The issue is getting it set up, because it'll be in desktop mode in Dolphin's configurator.
2022-03-07 15:54:19	red_	what remains: CUPS config for the brother, xbox wireless usb dongle support, and perhaps wallpaper engine support through KDE plasma. I know all are possible - it is a matter of me making it happen.
2022-03-07 15:54:22	⚡ 	jelle still has to fix unity to make the bt xbox controller work
2022-03-07 15:54:23	red_	at least I'm getting good in cli..
2022-03-07 15:54:34	demonicmaniac	steam does the remapping in the background for stuff launched via steam at least
2022-03-07 15:54:34	MacGyver	So you don't *need* the application to be SDL in order for steam's mapping to work, that much I do know.
2022-03-07 15:54:38	demonicmaniac	yes
2022-03-07 15:54:50	demonicmaniac	but steam uses sdl2 controllermap api/config for that too
2022-03-07 15:54:52	@jelle	MacGyver: steams mapping never worked for my xbox bt controller
2022-03-07 15:54:56	MacGyver	But it's probably SDL -> evdev -> whatever the application then uses.
2022-03-07 15:55:06	@jelle	ah I know why, because it's not there yet :p
2022-03-07 15:55:09	demonicmaniac	it exists as a standalone tool to generate mappings too but you can also just write them per hand
2022-03-07 15:55:18	demonicmaniac	i had to for some of my controllers for e.g. skullgirls
2022-03-07 15:55:23	jeramiah	Thanks for your help everyone, I tried it on another machine and it 'just works', so it's definitely some configuration problem
2022-03-07 15:55:25	demonicmaniac	my usb ps2 dualshock adapter
2022-03-07 15:55:40	MacGyver	Right, that might also just be what sc-controller is doing then.
2022-03-07 15:56:15	MacGyver	Just the trigger of which mapping is active is different, then.
2022-03-07 15:56:34	MacGyver	(I.e. in sc-controller you just select it, whereas steam decides based on active 3D-renderer)
2022-03-07 15:57:25	MacGyver	Anyway, I really do hope Valve will at some point make another run.
2022-03-07 15:57:31	demonicmaniac	mind you sdl can't remap things like gamepad to send mouse events or touch events
2022-03-07 15:57:32	MacGyver	Or a v2.
2022-03-07 15:57:44	demonicmaniac	its gmecontroller is a simple axis button mapping
2022-03-07 15:58:07	MacGyver	demonicmaniac: Then how is Steam doing the mouse input from trackpad events?
2022-03-07 15:58:28	MacGyver	Not mouse-like joystick, that's sending joystick events.
2022-03-07 15:58:35	MacGyver	But the actual mouse-input in desktop mode.
2022-03-07 15:58:39	demonicmaniac	i'd assume it creates a virtual input mouse device 
2022-03-07 15:58:53	demonicmaniac	something on the steam controller driver side
2022-03-07 15:59:21	demonicmaniac	i've not seen a steam controller so i dunno
2022-03-07 15:59:41	cyphertite	jeramiah:  by 'I tried it on another machine' do you mean you did a clean, new Arch install - and this time your encryption worked?
2022-03-07 16:00:10	red_	"On Windows 11 it just werked"
2022-03-07 16:01:59	demonicmaniac	MacGyver: apparently steam controller doesn't "talk" hid in any way and instead has 3 seperate uinput devices it switches between
2022-03-07 16:02:13	demonicmaniac	x360/kb/mouse
2022-03-07 16:03:28	MacGyver	demonicmaniac: Right, that explains the way it shows up in dolphin's configurator.
2022-03-07 16:03:40	MacGyver	(Two or three evdev-devices)
2022-03-07 16:16:06	red_	[dark@box ~]$ sudo pacman -Syu
2022-03-07 16:16:09	red_	*scared and nervous*
2022-03-07 16:16:51	jschpp	^that worked well^^
2022-03-07 16:17:26	vvn	lol
2022-03-07 16:17:39	red_	Oh we're good
2022-03-07 16:17:55	vvn	that's one quick reboot
2022-03-07 16:17:58	jschpp	wb red_ ^^
2022-03-07 16:18:07	mpan	red_: learn how to deal with breakage. That’s much better than fearing one. :)
2022-03-07 16:18:11	red_	vvn: oh absolutely
2022-03-07 16:18:21	red_	mpan: lol yes. hasn't happened yet
2022-03-07 16:18:37	red_	I saw "fakeroot" and some other seemingly important packages on there XD
2022-03-07 16:18:59	red_	pretty sure we've had a couple of kernel updates in the last couple of weeks also. everything is still solid
2022-03-07 16:21:19	jschpp	I'm still postponing my restart since this morning. I'll see how much is bricked later^^
2022-03-07 16:22:15	mpan	 16:22:15 up 47 days, 21:04,  1 user,  load average: 1.32, 1.24, 1.05
2022-03-07 16:24:59	jschpp	since docker wasn't happy with me some time ago when I updated the kernel without a restart I'm doing that regularly now^^
2022-03-07 16:26:12	jschpp	smth completely different. If I want to mirror one disk to another would rsync do the job?
2022-03-07 16:27:06	jschpp	dd would break I think since one is lvm and the other a simple block device
2022-03-07 16:50:21	Khorne	rsync works fine to copy on the file level
2022-03-07 16:54:01	aephos	I've been using the defeault gnupg installation happily to send and receive mail. Now I want to install the Tor browswer, but gnupg is not able to get their keys from the keyserver and I'm not sure why or where to start looking. Anyone know why --locate-keys would find a key  but --recv-keys would say server returned an error (openpgp.org)?
2022-03-07 17:00:54	ds	aephos: did you check the tor-browser aur comments? couple people seem to have luck with --search-keys instead of the pinned command
2022-03-07 17:01:06	ds	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/tor-browser#comment-846765
2022-03-07 17:03:47	vitali64	gpg or pgp?
2022-03-07 17:05:29	aephos	gpg, and I have tried all the comment variations.
2022-03-07 17:05:57	aephos	I get this error:
2022-03-07 17:06:07	aephos	adam@wyvern ~/a/tor-browser (master) [2]> gpg --locate-keys 0xE53D989A9E2D47BF
2022-03-07 17:06:09	aephos	adam@wyvern ~/a/tor-browser (master)> gpg --recv-keys 0xE53D989A9E2D47BF
2022-03-07 17:06:10	aephos	gpg: keyserver receive failed: Server indicated a failure
2022-03-07 17:06:32	vitali64	aephos: vvvvvv
2022-03-07 17:06:33	vitali64	17:00 < ds> aephos: did you check the tor-browser aur comments? couple people seem to have luck with --search-keys instead of the pinned command
2022-03-07 17:06:36	vitali64	17:00 < ds> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/tor-browser#comment-846765
2022-03-07 17:06:37	aephos	--search-keys gets the same error.
2022-03-07 17:07:01	vitali64	aephos: also, why are you installing the tor-browser from the aur
2022-03-07 17:07:07	aephos	Other than locate-keys, every server command says the server indicated a failure
2022-03-07 17:07:32	vitali64	the tor browser is available on the normal repos iirc
2022-03-07 17:07:38	vitali64	torbrowser-launcher
2022-03-07 17:07:44	vitali64	that is the name of the package
2022-03-07 17:08:03	vitali64	aephos: did you try with another key?
2022-03-07 17:08:31	ds	aephos: when you say you get the same error, do you mean literally "gpg --search-keys torbrowser@.." or when also passing --keyserver keys.openpgp.org?
2022-03-07 17:08:35	aephos	I see. When I searched for "arch linux tor browser" the top hit was the AUR package, and from past experience most AUR packages are AUR packages because there's not a non-AUR package.
2022-03-07 17:09:00	vitali64	ok
2022-03-07 17:09:09	aephos	ds: In both cases, when I use --keyserver and not (I put openpgp.org in my gpg.conf thinking that might help).
2022-03-07 17:09:23	aephos	I will try torbrowser-launcher
2022-03-07 17:09:39	vitali64	aephos: what happens if you try another key?
2022-03-07 17:10:22	vitali64	ds: https://archlinux.org/packages/community/any/torbrowser-launcher/
2022-03-07 17:10:24	@phrik	Title: Arch Linux - torbrowser-launcher 0.3.5-4 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2022-03-07 17:10:37	vitali64	!help
2022-03-07 17:10:37	@phrik	vitali64: Use the 'list' command to list all plugins, and 'list <plugin>' to list all commands in a plugin. To show the help of a command, use 'help <command>'. 
2022-03-07 17:10:40	vitali64	ok
2022-03-07 17:10:41	vitali64	ds: https://archlinux.org/packages/community/any/torbrowser-launcher/
2022-03-07 17:10:42	@phrik	Title: Arch Linux - torbrowser-launcher 0.3.5-4 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2022-03-07 17:12:14	ds	vitali64: any idea if that method preserves installed extensions between updates?
2022-03-07 17:12:31	aephos	vitali64: Same deal with another key.
2022-03-07 17:12:33	ds	aur version just extracts the tarball iirc and wipes everything out in the process (which i get is part of the idea behind tor)
2022-03-07 17:13:20	aephos	This is why I thought maybe something is up with my gnupg config (which I haven't touched from the default other than add the keyserver line when it wouldn't work on the commend line).
2022-03-07 17:20:37	Edu4rdSHL	gpg --keyserver keys.openpgp.org --search-keys torbrowser@torproject.org worked here
2022-03-07 17:26:24	Carbon_Monoxide	Hi! I hope my question isn't anonying, because it's probably asked quite a lot in here. Is Gnome Wayland working well now with nvidia propriety driver?
2022-03-07 17:27:46	Namarrgon	it functions but prepare for weird bugs
2022-03-07 17:29:15	brjl	Carbon_Monoxide: It is asked frequently, but it won't be the last time.
2022-03-07 18:06:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-07 18:34:04	vvn	any idea why /dev/rtc0 has crw------- while I never changed it?
2022-03-07 18:34:08	vvn	what are yours?
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2022-03-07 18:34:39	m00n	mine's crw------- too
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2022-03-07 18:35:22	vvn	m00n: does hwclock --show --verbose works for you?
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2022-03-07 18:36:16	m00n	not without sudo
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2022-03-07 18:36:47	vvn	well it makes sense that only root can change it
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2022-03-07 18:38:44	MacGyver	vvn: Afaict that's just the default for the RTC.
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2022-03-07 18:38:57	MacGyver	It's nothing udev is explicitly setting, anyway.
2022-03-07 18:40:30	MacGyver	(Based on a grep for RTC in /usr/lib/udev and inspecting the hits in the rules and the hwdb.)
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2022-03-07 18:50:21	lf94	why is it called "arch" linux
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2022-03-07 18:50:28	lf94	archie's linux
2022-03-07 18:50:31	Khorne	Because the logo looks like an arch
2022-03-07 18:50:49	vvn	Khorne: you're thinking the other way around I think
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2022-03-07 18:50:58	Khorne	Says who
2022-03-07 18:51:02	vvn	unless it's that meta
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2022-03-07 18:54:29	demize	lf94: https://web.archive.org/web/20020605061933/http://www.archlinux.org/faq.php
2022-03-07 18:54:31	@phrik	Title: Arch Linux (at web.archive.org)
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2022-03-07 18:56:05	lf94	nice :)
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2022-03-07 18:58:07	teraflops	look at the old logo https://paste.priet.us/LPkn.png 
2022-03-07 18:58:16	teraflops	I like the current one
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2022-03-07 19:00:13	mxbl	i like the old one
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2022-03-07 19:00:46	teraflops	the old one looks like tux in a water park
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2022-03-07 19:11:50	m00n	teraflops: lol
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2022-03-07 19:16:30	ℹ 	cdown_ es conocido ahora como cdown
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2022-03-07 19:18:25	mongy	I thought it was arch enemy related... idk.
2022-03-07 19:20:11	m00n	it is
2022-03-07 19:21:09	mongy	good thing they didn't like dolly parton
2022-03-07 19:21:40	mongy	Dolly Linux - it's the tits!
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2022-03-08 11:57:57	MrElendig	anodesni: applet have really limited support for wireguard
2022-03-08 11:58:05	MrElendig	anodesni: use nmcli to manage it isntead
2022-03-08 11:58:29	MrElendig	instead*
2022-03-08 11:58:49	anodesni	MrElendig, when I try this for example "nmcli connection down wg0", the terminal hangs
2022-03-08 11:59:19	anodesni	and I get a timeout
2022-03-08 11:59:22	MrElendig	journalctl -b NetworkManager
2022-03-08 11:59:30	MrElendig	-b -u*
2022-03-08 13:09:14	veikko	mutta parempi nukkua milloin pystyy jos on pitkittyneenä tilanteena alle 5t unet
2022-03-08 13:09:33	veikko	typo
2022-03-08 13:24:48	bladerunner1	anyone know any program to open docx files?
2022-03-08 13:26:12	Gagis	google docs on your browser or libreoffice as stand alone
2022-03-08 13:26:33	bladerunner1	alright, thanks
2022-03-08 13:26:40	Gagis	I just use gdocs since I have so little use for word processors normally
2022-03-08 13:27:27	bladerunner1	There's this online job thing which provide tutorials in docx formats 
2022-03-08 13:27:45	bladerunner1	kinda annoying how world relies on microsoft ways 
2022-03-08 13:30:30	raster	bladerunner1: libreoffice has been the long-time solution to this - it opens pretty much all ms office formats and generally handles them ok (not always perfectly)
2022-03-08 13:32:09	avenita	libreoffice struggles with the abominations some people, and companies, make on Excel
2022-03-08 13:32:11	raster	bladerunner1:  but you can also use office365 if you're happy with using web services like google docs for this... ms offers their own and it's actually pretty good
2022-03-08 13:32:38	avenita	theres a couple of other alternatives.
2022-03-08 13:33:46	avenita	like onlyoffice.  or WPS and Softmaker if you dont mind commercial propietary software
2022-03-08 13:33:52	normaler	teams can be bridged to element e.g. but that doesnt work for calls and meetings
2022-03-08 13:34:56	avenita	so, since a while ago i have noticed my printer now refuses to print on color from my linux machine. 
2022-03-08 13:34:58	bladerunner1	I mind commercial software, but I don't really need em, just needed it for this tutorial and libre seems to work just fine
2022-03-08 13:35:19	normaler	avenita: color has been considered harmfull for a while now
2022-03-08 13:35:24	normaler	deprecated
2022-03-08 13:35:54	avenita	oh sh** my bad. i think i have this client misconfigure. im very sorry
2022-03-08 13:35:55	normaler	what kind of printer is it and what protocol do you use to talk to it?
2022-03-08 13:36:03	avenita	heh
2022-03-08 13:36:19	raster	try white ink.. i hear it works wonders on normal paper
2022-03-08 13:36:37	avenita	its a postscript printer, Ricoh MP C307. 
2022-03-08 13:37:00	avenita	as for the protocol. let me check cups. 
2022-03-08 13:38:20	avenita	i think its AppSocket? 
2022-03-08 13:38:48	avenita	CUPS says "Connection:socket://192.168.0.81"
2022-03-08 13:39:29	avenita	driver says its indeed a color printer, "Driver:	Ricoh MP C307 PS (color, 2-sided printing)"
2022-03-08 13:40:04	avenita	and it does indeed prints in color from other computers (on windows that is)
2022-03-08 13:40:28	avenita	it used to print in color from here a while ago, not sure what changed
2022-03-08 13:52:41	lash	hey after latest update usb gsm modem stopped working
2022-03-08 13:53:15	lash	syslog says when I insert it: https://g33k.holbrook.no/84faffac
2022-03-08 13:53:34	lash	before update modeswitch triggered and I could ppp session directly
2022-03-08 13:53:37	mitch0	lash: did you reboot after the upgrade?
2022-03-08 13:53:43	lash	mitch0 yeah
2022-03-08 14:11:57	anodesni	jelle, I don't know?
2022-03-08 14:12:23	jelle	anodesni: you want to access SMB over your wireguard vpn or not?
2022-03-08 14:13:08	anodesni	jelle, I want to access my samba shares connected to my local pc, not the samba shares of my remote network behing wireguard
2022-03-08 14:15:00	another|	Which tool manages your wg?
2022-03-08 14:15:41	jelle	does not matter
2022-03-08 14:15:56	another|	It kind of does.
2022-03-08 14:16:13	another|	different defaults
2022-03-08 14:16:45	jelle	another|: so I guess your issue is, you use the same hostname and are in your local network and also have a wireguard to your local network?
2022-03-08 14:16:54	jelle	and wireguard's route is preferred over your local's route
2022-03-08 14:17:43	another|	that's a lot of assumptions
2022-03-08 14:18:38	jelle	ok good luck :)
2022-03-08 14:22:02	anodesni	another|, wg-quick
2022-03-08 14:25:16	Khorne	anodesni, what are the ip spaces like?
2022-03-08 14:25:23	Khorne	and routes
2022-03-08 14:25:34	anodesni	allowedIps 0.0.0.0/0
2022-03-08 14:25:47	anodesni	Want to access network at 172.20.0.0/24
2022-03-08 14:26:08	Khorne	Did you add a route into the local network over the wg interface
2022-03-08 14:27:00	anodesni	no
2022-03-08 14:27:23	Khorne	What does your ip r output look like?
2022-03-08 14:27:25	Khorne	!ix
2022-03-08 14:27:26	@phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-03-08 14:27:29	Khorne	With wg up
2022-03-08 14:28:33	anodesni	http://ix.io/3RGx
2022-03-08 14:28:58	Khorne	Looks about right
2022-03-08 14:46:43	avenita	okay, seems that Airprint uses the "PDF Printing" function of this printing, (basically the device converts the  file to print into a PDF which is actually fed a PDF which it stores on its harddrive for printing)
2022-03-08 14:46:44	avenita	https://i.imgur.com/uKn9YFa.jpg
2022-03-08 14:47:15	avenita	lol, i typed that in a hurry
2022-03-08 14:49:10	avenita	basically, the PDF Printing setting of the printer had "Toner Saving" on, and the airprint feature uses this. disabling the tonersaving for this, let the phones and the linux machine printing over airprint to print on high quality. 
2022-03-08 14:49:39	avenita	on a side note.
2022-03-08 14:50:17	avenita	i have noticed Zorin has a customized printer test page, how does one customize this?
2022-03-08 14:51:21	avenita	actually i think its upstream from ubuntu. but dont mind this
2022-03-08 14:52:10	avenita	http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Us76b-ijCpw/ULS7rBGZK0I/AAAAAAAAAJ8/1-GL3AVsXVc/s1600/ubuntu-test-page-scan.jpg
2022-03-08 14:55:34	avenita	nvm, /usr/share/cups/data/default-testpage.pdf
2022-03-08 15:37:23	mohammad5305	hi 
2022-03-08 15:38:07	jonathon	o/
2022-03-08 16:04:46	quantitos	I'm getting an error when downloading calibre. It says failed to download from all mirrors. What's the best way to handle that? Do I need to just build Calibre from source instead? or
2022-03-08 16:05:03	jelle	quantitos: no, did you refresh your mirror dbs?
2022-03-08 16:05:35	rcf	quantitos: if it's a 404 you need to -Syu 
2022-03-08 16:05:35	quantitos	@jelle Ah, I didn't. I'll do that now, thank you!
2022-03-08 16:05:42	rcf	Don't just update the database 
2022-03-08 16:06:29	quantitos	Oh wow, this is pretty cool. That's updating every package in my system?
2022-03-08 16:06:59	jelle	yes
2022-03-08 16:07:08	rcf	You'll need to do that, especially if you have the old glibc because otherwise no new binaries work 
2022-03-08 16:07:15	quantitos	neat, okay
2022-03-08 16:07:46	jelle	quantitos: you realise arch is rolling release right? :)
2022-03-08 16:11:01	random-nick	when using iwd, is the internal dhcp client preferable to an external one like dhcpcd or dhclient?
2022-03-08 16:12:15	Khorne	Does it lack any features that you need?
2022-03-08 16:14:47	random-nick	not really, I don't do anything out of the ordinary with regards to networking
2022-03-08 16:15:33	Khorne	Then it seems less of a fuss to just use that over installing another dhcp client
2022-03-08 16:41:04	lf94	I can't seem to find pip in repos?
2022-03-08 16:41:08	lf94	Could someone help me
2022-03-08 16:41:28	BrainDamage	use pacman -F
2022-03-08 16:42:48	lf94	Nice :D thank you
2022-03-08 16:48:33	Edu4rdSHL	pkgfile
2022-03-08 16:52:55	oramirite	I've been learning about PKGBUILD files the past week and have created one for my project succesfully. I notice that almost all PKGBUILDs are in seperate repos from their source, including packages that are distributed by the same maintainers as the source. If I am the author of a project as well as the PKGBUILD are there any disadvantages to simply having a PKGBUILD in the root of my source?
2022-03-08 16:52:55	oramirite	I'm sure there are 
2022-03-08 16:52:55	oramirite	drawbacks I'd jus be interested in hearing opinions and history behind it.
2022-03-08 16:53:47	amaurea	Is the current firefox version in arch vulernable to CVE-2022-26485 and CVE-2022-26486? They are apparently being exploited in the wild: https://thehackernews.com/2022/03/2-new-mozilla-firefox-0-day-bugs-under.html
2022-03-08 16:53:49	@phrik	Title: 2 New Mozilla Firefox 0-Day Bugs Under Active Attack — Patch Your Browser ASAP! (at thehackernews.com)
2022-03-08 16:55:11	AlexC	https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2022-09/
2022-03-08 16:55:12	@phrik	Title: Security Vulnerabilities fixed in Firefox 97.0.2, Firefox ESR 91.6.1, Firefox for Android 97.3.0, and Focus 97.3.0 — Mozilla (at www.mozilla.org)
2022-03-08 16:55:15	AlexC	nop, still ongoing.
2022-03-08 16:55:19	Scimmia	oramirite: If you don't put it in the AUR, people generally won't find it
2022-03-08 16:56:10	Scimmia	amaurea: "current" doesn't really mean much, 98 is in testing
2022-03-08 16:56:35	oramirite	That's quite fair :P To be honest the only reason I wrote a PKGBUILD is to conveniently include a tree of files in an archiso. So while it COULD be distributed someday, it's not exactly intended for that right now. But I may have just answered my own question? Keep it seperate in case it does end up on the AUR?
2022-03-08 16:56:56	Edu4rdSHL	Well, current firefox in the repos is 97.0.2 and according to the mozilla advisory, it's fixed there
2022-03-08 16:58:22	amaurea	Edu4rdSHL: Right, looks like that's the one I have already too. That's a relief
2022-03-08 17:00:46	Namarrgon	oramirite: you can keep it in the source tree but if there's one in the AUR people will generally prefer that one
2022-03-08 17:01:35	Namarrgon	in case nobody maintains it in the AUR you can point users at the one in the source
2022-03-08 17:03:49	oramirite	Yeah I guess all of this makes sense. I am just playing devil's advocate at this point so I can set myself up for success
2022-03-08 17:04:22	oramirite	would there be ANY advantage to having the PKGBUILD be right in the source? Other than purely aesthetic organizational purposes?
2022-03-08 17:12:06	Foxboron	oramirite: You can keep it in the source and just subtree push the directory to aur
2022-03-08 17:12:22	Foxboron	oramirite: https://github.com/Foxboron/sbctl/blob/master/Makefile#L52
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2022-03-08 17:26:21	snek	suspend/hibernate have not been working correctly lately. if i close my laptop and leave it plugged in, it remains powered on but won't wake up, so i have to hold the power button for 30s to turn it off then turn it back on. if i close it and don't plug it in, it runs out of battery, even though its supposed to suspend-then-hibernate.
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2022-03-08 17:28:34	@phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-03-08 17:28:58	snek	the last thing in journalctl from the last boot is "entering sleep state suspend" 
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2022-03-08 17:37:08	amaurea	Does webgpu work for any of you on firefox? I have endabled it (dom.webgpu.enabled = true, gfx.webrender.all = true and restarted), but it still registers as disabled to web pages that try to use it: Test case here: https://austin-eng.com/webgpu-samples/samples/fractalCube
2022-03-08 17:37:09	@phrik	Title: Textured Cube - WebGPU Samples (at austin-eng.com)
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2022-03-08 17:40:52	amaurea	I didn't see anybody with similar symptoms when searching for this, so I wonder if this is something linux- or arch-specific, or maybe just a problem with my setup
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2022-03-08 17:50:08	timofonic	I have a Lenovo E595 running Archlnux. Audio works at the start for minutes. Then starts sounding as if stopping sound and like "interfences". I tried standard kernel, linux-mainline-git. Same issues.When it start to fail, I stop a youtube video (for example) and play it again to sound 1-2 seconds, stop the sound for seconds, then start for 1-2
2022-03-08 17:50:09	timofonic	seconds, then not sound at all.
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2022-03-08 17:51:01	Khorne	amaurea: do you have the correct vaapi/vdpau driver?
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2022-03-08 17:53:14	mxbl	timofonic: do you use pulse or pipewire?
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2022-03-08 17:55:03	timofonic	mxbl: Pipewire. But the same error happened with live distros
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2022-03-08 18:07:32	timofonic	mxbl: What can I do? Should I check some log? I rarely had audio issues, so no idea where to look at :(
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2022-03-08 18:15:11	timofonic	mxbl: Anyway, I posted about the issue here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2026004#p2026004
2022-03-08 18:15:12	@phrik	Title: Weird sound issue with Lenovo ThinkPad E595, stops working correctly / Laptop Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2022-03-08 18:28:35	srg	Can anyone tell why this bash script is failing at line 20? https://gitlab.com/-/snippets/2267501
2022-03-08 18:28:36	@phrik	Title: aur_update.sh ($2267501) · Snippets · Snippets · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2022-03-08 18:31:01	mxbl	timofonic: no idea what causes the issue, switching to pipewire was the only thing i was going to suggest, sry
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2022-03-08 18:48:36	e36freak	srg: your read inside the loop is reading from the same stdin as the loop itself
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2022-03-08 18:48:49	e36freak	srg: either use read -rp 'prompt' </dev/tty, or use a different fd for the loop
2022-03-08 18:49:22	e36freak	while IFS= read -rd '' AUR_PKG_FULL_PATH <&3; do ...; done 3< <(find ...)
2022-03-08 18:49:30	e36freak	i would personally do the latter, but either should work
2022-03-08 18:49:54	srg	Ah ha!
2022-03-08 18:49:57	srg	Thank you!
2022-03-08 18:49:57	e36freak	https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/089
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2022-03-08 18:50:05	@phrik	Title: BashFAQ/089 - Greg's Wiki (at mywiki.wooledge.org)
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2022-03-08 18:52:58	srg	Got it working now e36freak. That was a tricky one, I was pulling my hair out.
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2022-03-08 18:53:36	e36freak	it's common enough we have a faq about it in #bash, hence the link
2022-03-08 18:54:12	e36freak	just remember that stdin is inherited, so if you're redirecting to a loop, function, etc, that includes/is inherited by everything inside of it
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2022-03-08 18:55:20	mohab	Has anyone been able to use the 'Live Share' feature in the 'visual-studio-code-bin' package from AUR? Wiki says I should either lunch it with this flag: '-enable-proposed-api ms-vsliveshare.vsliveshare' or edit product.json inside: /usr/lib/code/ Lunching it with the flag didn't work, and I don't have a folder named 'code' inside that destination. Any clue on where to go from here?
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2022-03-08 18:56:15	mohab	The main problem is that the 'Live Share' icon doesn't show up in the status bar, so I just assumed I needed to manually activate the API somehow, which is what lead me to this part in the wiki
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2022-03-08 19:10:45	Benzi-Junior	hey, Trying to set up a game-pc, I tried setting up steam since well, the guide I found for the specific game used it, (personally I would have preferred not using it but trying a "path of least resistance"), anyways, after the install my startx script no longer works
2022-03-08 19:11:06	Benzi-Junior	crashes with a "no screens" found
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2022-03-08 19:11:23	Namarrgon	which guide?
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2022-03-08 19:12:25	Benzi-Junior	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv3ZXA4FNFk
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2022-03-08 19:12:44	Benzi-Junior	Just wanted to get supcom running 
2022-03-08 19:13:25	Benzi-Junior	but would have preffered to install from the CD's I have lying around 
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2022-03-08 19:13:46	teraflops	I wonder how installing steam leads to startx error
2022-03-08 19:14:09	Benzi-Junior	anyways my question was to rollback the last 'n-hours' of package changes
2022-03-08 19:14:20	Namarrgon	https://pastebin.com/raw/n39m8bZ7 this is all you did?
2022-03-08 19:14:20	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oPRm.txt
2022-03-08 19:14:23	Benzi-Junior	teraflops, nvidia utils
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2022-03-08 19:15:34	Benzi-Junior	Namarrgon, installed steam 
2022-03-08 19:15:47	Benzi-Junior	and set those run args
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2022-03-08 19:15:56	Benzi-Junior	didn't get to the rest
2022-03-08 19:16:17	Namarrgon	that doesn't affect X, post your ~/.xinitrc and the xorg log
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2022-03-08 19:17:47	astralc	maybe you did partial update accidentally when you install steam?
2022-03-08 19:18:13	amaurea	Khorne: I have the vaapi driver, and media.ffmpeg.vaapi.enabled = true, and video acceleration works on e.g. youtube
2022-03-08 19:18:30	Benzi-Junior	steam installed some dependencies such as nvidia-utils and stuff like that for vulkan
2022-03-08 19:18:41	Benzi-Junior	that's what I suspect is the issue
2022-03-08 19:18:43	Namarrgon	are you using an nvidia gpu?
2022-03-08 19:18:59	astralc	did you run pacman -Syu?
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2022-03-08 19:19:41	Benzi-Junior	Namarrgon, yes
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2022-03-08 19:20:19	Namarrgon	why was nvidia-utils not installed already?
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2022-03-08 19:20:40	Benzi-Junior	Namarrgon, http://ix.io/3RId <- .xinitrc
2022-03-08 19:20:45	Benzi-Junior	Namarrgon, fresh install
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2022-03-08 19:21:35	DilithiumNO3	do you have libva-nvidia-driver?
2022-03-08 19:21:50	astralc	Benzi-Junior: did you install nvidia or nvidia-dkms?
2022-03-08 19:21:53	Scimmia	Benzi-Junior: setting up graphics drivers would be part of the installation
2022-03-08 19:22:12	Benzi-Junior	Namarrgon, had only got so far as to run X (xmonad) and then went to the guide
2022-03-08 19:22:13	DilithiumNO3	or libva-vdpau-driver? either should work, point is that Firefox only supports hardware decoding via VA-API
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2022-03-08 19:23:23	Benzi-Junior	Namarrgon, http://ix.io/3RIe <- /var/log/Xorg.0.log
2022-03-08 19:23:40	Khorne	amaurea, misread, you were about webgpu, I guess that needs vulkan? But it even errors out on Windows here, so... :')
2022-03-08 19:24:09	Benzi-Junior	g2g, dinner is ready 
2022-03-08 19:24:20	DilithiumNO3	ok I see an issue in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
2022-03-08 19:24:35	amaurea	Khorne: Thanks for testing
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2022-03-08 19:25:10	Khorne	amaurea, FF with the Flags errors with no 'gpu' renderer found, Chrome just shows a blank canvas
2022-03-08 19:26:23	amaurea	Khorne: the error message I get is "DOMException: WebGPU is not enabled!"
2022-03-08 19:26:24	DilithiumNO3	>Matched nouveau as autoconfigured driver 0
2022-03-08 19:26:36	DilithiumNO3	there's your issue, Benzi-Junior
2022-03-08 19:26:51	DilithiumNO3	you don't have the actual nvidia driver installed
2022-03-08 19:26:51	demonicmaniac1	no his issue is that there is no nvidia module
2022-03-08 19:27:09	DilithiumNO3	that is in fact what I'm saying, demonicmaniac1
2022-03-08 19:27:16	demonicmaniac1	right i was typing before you typed that
2022-03-08 19:27:22	DilithiumNO3	oh, ok
2022-03-08 19:27:29	amaurea	Khorne: sounds like you're getting a different error?
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2022-03-08 19:27:42	demonicmaniac1	anywho never rely on youtube videos, read the actual install guide covering every gpu driver
2022-03-08 19:27:47	Scimmia	matching nouveau is not a problem, not loading nvidia is
2022-03-08 19:28:13	Khorne	amaurea, InvalidStateError: WebGPU is not enabled!
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2022-03-08 19:30:18	DilithiumNO3	at any rate, Benzi-Junior you need to install the nvidia package, or nvidia-dkms (plus your kernel's headers) if you use a kernel other than default or LTS
2022-03-08 19:30:53	DilithiumNO3	ok, I see a BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-linux in the X.org log, so the nvidia package it is
2022-03-08 19:30:55	Scimmia	...assuming they want the nvidia driver instead of nouveau
2022-03-08 19:31:14	demonicmaniac1	assuming their card is supported by nvidia current
2022-03-08 19:31:20	DilithiumNO3	true... what exact GPU do you have, Benzi?
2022-03-08 19:31:28	Scimmia	they left
2022-03-08 19:31:32	DilithiumNO3	oh
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2022-03-08 19:31:53	DilithiumNO3	wait, they never disconnected, at most they're AFK
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2022-03-08 19:33:33	DilithiumNO3	ok I punched in their GPU's PCI ID
2022-03-08 19:33:38	DilithiumNO3	10de:1c02:1462:8c95 is a GTX 1060 3GB
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2022-03-09 17:11:05	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1484 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1484 normals)
2022-03-09 09:29:53	dagle	Also, may we ask what you are actually trying to solve?
2022-03-09 09:42:00	masoudd	 This much effort to automate not working :) might be easier to actually work
2022-03-09 09:44:00	DrNefario	does any company actually use activity detection programs on linux?
2022-03-09 09:44:46	kode54	Discord client uses activity detection to determine what you're currently running (mostly to display what game you're currently running)
2022-03-09 09:45:13	kode54	also several chat clients detect idle time to set away mode automatically, or maybe detect if your desktop is locked
2022-03-09 09:45:29	kode54	probably not the type of monitoring you were referring to
2022-03-09 09:45:58	kode54	maybe more you were thinking of businesses trying to helicopter their employees to "keep them productive"
2022-03-09 09:46:33	kode54	proctor software is a real bitch, and I don't know if there are any such solutions actively in use in Linux
2022-03-09 09:48:09	DrNefario	I really hate the idea of employers tracking how active you are on your computer. what does it matter as long as the work is getting done?
2022-03-09 09:50:00	GuiToris	DrNefario, +1
2022-03-09 09:53:10	GuiToris	I have to watch a presentation and spend at least 10 seconds on every page, even if they are completely empty
2022-03-09 09:56:20	DrNefario	wow, that's straight up psychologic torture
2022-03-09 09:56:31	einar	When I press `Ctrl + .` in at least my gnome-terminal, gedit or Chrome,  I see an underlined letter 'e'.  I can't seem to figure our what feature this is, but I really want to disable it.
2022-03-09 10:06:24	DrNefario	first thing I would do is check that the keyboard layout is correct
2022-03-09 10:09:46	einar	I can confirm that - I use english (US)
2022-03-09 10:10:59	einar	and actually FWIW - if I swap to another european layout, the same thing happens.
2022-03-09 10:11:37	DrNefario	huh, can you send the character it types through irc?
2022-03-09 10:12:04	GuiToris	einar, I've never used Gnome, don't you use compose keys?
2022-03-09 10:12:31	GuiToris	I do and that's why I can type funny letters ä ṕ ¡
2022-03-09 10:12:53	GuiToris	my layout is also US
2022-03-09 10:14:47	Gagis	oh I've never noticed that
2022-03-09 10:15:18	Gagis	wonder what it does. the underlined e isnt actually output
2022-03-09 10:16:00	Gagis	looks similar to the ctrl+shift+u unicode code entry
2022-03-09 10:16:19	GuiToris	e̾̎̍̐̎͝ e̍̈̋҉̯̩͓ e̢̛̺̖̼̳͕͎̱͖͒͋̎̔̽ͫͦ͗̇̾́
2022-03-09 10:16:23	einar	GuiToris: I mean, I use them sometimes, but rarely.  I would also always use them without "dead keys", e.g. I would press `Alt Gr + e` for the Euro symbol perhaps.
2022-03-09 10:16:56	GuiToris	There's no Alt Gr on US layout
2022-03-09 10:17:13	einar	Gagis: Yes, it looks like the unicode entry
2022-03-09 10:18:01	GuiToris	https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-H8b1BjXQdEM/WI_ojOYxPoI/AAAAAAAAepA/7cG7Q-aqn8ksVmTd9DChdNVX_P0VMqp-gCLcB/s1600/us_keyboard.png
2022-03-09 10:18:02	Gagis	einar, oh I found what it does
2022-03-09 10:18:06	Gagis	you arent gonna like this
2022-03-09 10:18:11	Gagis	its EMOJI INPUT
2022-03-09 10:18:23	Gagis	😂
2022-03-09 10:18:32	Gagis	from ctrl+. and then typing joy
2022-03-09 10:18:42	GuiToris	💩
2022-03-09 10:19:43	GuiToris	this must be a gnome invention
2022-03-09 10:21:53	colo	is anyone using NetworkManager with the openfortivpn-stuff to successfully connect to a FortiGate VPN? whenever I try, NM does not even prompt me for my OTP token, bust just declares the connection attempt to have failed because "there were no valid VPN secrets". works on Debian 11, so I wonder what I may be missing.
2022-03-09 10:30:01	colo	lol, this is the problem, apparently: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/NetworkManager-fortisslvpn/-/issues/45
2022-03-09 10:30:03	phrik	Title: OTP Dialog opens only, when Password is asked for every time (#45) · Issues · GNOME / NetworkManager-fortisslvpn · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
2022-03-09 10:46:37	kib	how do i pass commands to sway directly?
2022-03-09 10:47:08	kib	from the terinal i mean, like i want to test what's happening with a particular keybind
2022-03-09 10:48:19	kib	I want to test if "bindsym $mod+m mate-calc" works when passed directly from the terminal
2022-03-09 10:52:15	kib	i did a swaymsg "bindsym $mod+m mate-calc" and now i cant type the letter that coes before n
2022-03-09 10:54:35	semeion	kib: lol
2022-03-09 10:54:54	kib	well yes it is pretty funny
2022-03-09 10:55:15	kib	guess ill just try closing sway and reopening
2022-03-09 10:57:45	kib	tfw it wasn't working because i didn't write exec before the command :/
2022-03-09 11:01:46	einar	Gagis:  Awesome! thanks.  Now I can find a way to disable it.
2022-03-09 13:00:28	einar	Gagis: FTR: It can be disabled or reasssigned in `ibus-setup`.  Thanks for your assitance.
2022-03-09 13:02:51	Gagis	cheers. good to know
2022-03-09 13:48:40	jirido	Hey, I use this ras-mc-ctl to sifft for the cause of some regular flipoffs that have sneeked up on me. 
2022-03-09 13:49:06	NetSysFire	flipoffs?
2022-03-09 13:49:50	jirido	--error show me error: dev=0:2048, sector=-1, nr_sector=0, error='I/O error', rwbs='N', cmd='', / yes the jar/laptop flipps of
2022-03-09 13:50:26	NetSysFire	so there is a forced shutdown
2022-03-09 13:50:33	NetSysFire	that looks like a hdd error?
2022-03-09 13:50:37	jirido	so how do I find what "disk" that is
2022-03-09 13:50:51	NetSysFire	check your journal
2022-03-09 13:50:58	jirido	and why this happens
2022-03-09 14:20:09	gtlsgamr	Hi. I have nvidia driver 510.xx and I am trying to downgrade to 470.74 or 495.xx. I do this using the downgrade script from AUR and it seems to work for the most part but after the downgrade, when the kernel builds, it says ""WARNING: Possibly missing firmware for module: nvidia"" and obviously the driver doesn't work. Is there a way to fix this? What should I be looking at?
2022-03-09 14:20:23	gtlsgamr	Is there a way for mkinitcpio to detect that module
2022-03-09 14:23:12	Scimmia	you don't want to use the downgrade script for this. Use the AUR packages
2022-03-09 14:24:06	gtlsgamr	Scimmia: manually?
2022-03-09 14:24:16	Scimmia	or with whatever helper you use
2022-03-09 14:26:20	gtlsgamr	okay..
2022-03-09 14:47:29	dagle	Imagine if nvidia had a good naming scheme.
2022-03-09 14:55:53	Justice	I downloaded a flatpack (relic of life) from basemark however when launching it does not detect gpu/raytracing 
2022-03-09 14:56:00	Justice	is this some container issue or?
2022-03-09 14:57:09	MrElendig	maybe
2022-03-09 14:57:11	nyuszika7h	c
2022-03-09 14:57:12	nyuszika7h	oops
2022-03-09 14:57:16	MrElendig	could also be hardware/driver
2022-03-09 14:57:54	Justice	Hm...
2022-03-09 14:57:59	MrElendig	dlss isn't supported trough flatpak iirc
2022-03-09 14:58:17	Justice	lets see if I can get the ubuntu version running
2022-03-09 14:58:21	Justice	https://www.basemark.com/benchmarks/gpuscore/relic-of-life/
2022-03-09 14:58:22	phrik	Title: Relic of Life - GPU Benchmark with Raytracing | Basemark (at www.basemark.com)
2022-03-09 14:58:32	Justice	they just released cross platform raytracing benchmark
2022-03-09 14:58:57	MrElendig	poke basemark about it
2022-03-09 14:59:08	MrElendig	(or just use phoronix test suite instead :p)
2022-03-09 15:01:21	Justice	hm
2022-03-09 15:01:41	MrElendig	what hardware are you on?
2022-03-09 15:01:52	Justice	6900xt
2022-03-09 15:02:33	MrElendig	rt on amd is a clusterfuck atm
2022-03-09 15:02:47	MrElendig	so there is also that, ask basemark about what they support
2022-03-09 15:03:12	Justice	I'm getting: libva error: vaGetDriverNameByIndex() failed with unknown libva error, driver_name = (null)
2022-03-09 15:03:23	Justice	when launching the binary so it feels like there is an issue on detecting the driver version
2022-03-09 15:03:59	Justice	trying to see if I can fix that if maybe that solves it
2022-03-09 15:04:06	lf94-	Is anyone able to get Renoise working with pulseaudio ?
2022-03-09 15:04:18	lf94-	I wanted to try the demo but it seems it only supports ALSA or Jack?...
2022-03-09 15:04:54	MrElendig	lf94-: pipewire then :p
2022-03-09 15:05:02	lf94-	I don't understand pipewire yet :s
2022-03-09 15:05:19	lf94-	I've taken so much time to understand how to use pulse...
2022-03-09 15:05:28	grawity	if it can do ALSA, it *probably* can deal with pulseaudio's ALSA emulation as well?
2022-03-09 15:05:32	MrElendig	otherwise you can feed from jack into pulse
2022-03-09 15:05:49	lf94-	ok, how do I do either one of those? Which would you choose?
2022-03-09 15:06:06	MrElendig	I would try pipewire (with -jack) first
2022-03-09 15:06:30	lf94-	Does pipewire have something similar to pulseeffects?...
2022-03-09 15:06:36	MrElendig	doesn't support all jack stuff, but generally works
2022-03-09 15:06:48	MrElendig	lf94-: pulseeffects got renamed and works with pipewire
2022-03-09 15:06:50	grawity	pulseeffects is literally pipewire-only now
2022-03-09 15:07:04	lf94-	wow, haha
2022-03-09 15:07:15	lf94-	All right all right...I see where this is headed.
2022-03-09 15:07:21	lf94-	Will spotify still work with pipewire?
2022-03-09 15:07:23	grawity	which is why it got renamed I guess
2022-03-09 15:07:28	jelle	lf94-: yes
2022-03-09 15:07:33	lf94-	perfecto
2022-03-09 15:07:38	grawity	and yes pipewire emulates pulseaudio for libpulse clients
2022-03-09 15:07:39	lf94-	All right I'm convinced lmao
2022-03-09 15:07:48	grawity	much like both pipewire and pulseaudio provide ALSA emulation
2022-03-09 15:07:51	lf94-	pipewire got its shit together!
2022-03-09 15:08:02	lf94-	much better / faster than pulse...
2022-03-09 15:08:35	MrElendig	pipewire provides (limited) jack functionality too
2022-03-09 15:08:46	lf94-	I just wanna hear stuff come out of Renoise x_x
2022-03-09 15:09:02	lf94-	Wanted to try the demo then probably buy it
2022-03-09 15:11:49	Justice	but, libva error: vaGetDriverNameByIndex() is that configuration error on my end or application error? Cannot find a clear path what to look for
2022-03-09 15:17:53	Justice	hm simple export missing for that, added to /etc/enviroment 
2022-03-09 15:18:01	Justice	but no go
2022-03-09 15:23:14	andril	o/ all
2022-03-09 15:25:47	jirido	NetSysFire: Thanks.. I saw that the hdd errors were some month old and it hs happened a few times since so I think it is unrelated. I find no messages from rasdaemon in the journal and nothing exept some unrelated, repeating warnings in the end of it. So I guess I was out of luck this time.
2022-03-09 15:47:25	hseg	am I reading correctly that /sys/class/power_supply/*/charge_full being a third of charge_full_design means my battery can only hold a third of manufacture capacity nowadays?
2022-03-09 15:47:46	hseg	Battery 0: design capacity 5400 mAh, last full capacity 1625 mAh = 30%
2022-03-09 15:47:52	hseg	acpi -V confirms
2022-03-09 15:48:27	hseg	no wonder I'm getting weird results at higheer and higher percentages
2022-03-09 15:49:34	m00n	theoretically, yeah
2022-03-09 15:49:43	m00n	rip that battery
2022-03-09 15:52:18	lf94-	way to check window title quickly?
2022-03-09 15:52:42	lf94-	I want to reduce the font size of any terminal window which is running a certain set of programs
2022-03-09 15:52:46	hseg	hrmph. for all this laptop was billed as having good build quality, I doubt I'd buy again from that manufacturer. daily driver for 4y, and already it's showing wear
2022-03-09 15:55:47	Bayes	is there no multi-user.target ?
2022-03-09 15:56:40	Bayes	I'm writing my own .service and .timer for first time, when trying to enable it I'm getting: Unit /home/username/.config/systemd/user/dailycommit.timer is added as a dependency to a non-existent unit multi-user.target.
2022-03-09 15:57:37	Namarrgon	user and system units don't share targets/units
2022-03-09 15:58:36	Namarrgon	ls -l /usr/lib/systemd/user/*.target
2022-03-09 15:59:26	Bayes	oh
2022-03-09 16:00:25	Bayes	Namarrgon thanks, I would have taken me hours and I wouldn't have thought of that
2022-03-09 16:00:54	Namarrgon	np. you could reimplement some of the targets yourself but i'd generally just use default.target
2022-03-09 16:01:09	Bayes	yep that's the one I swapped in
2022-03-09 16:01:33	Bayes	interestingly enough, starting the service doesn't seem to complain but it doesn't show in list-targets
2022-03-09 16:02:08	Namarrgon	"list-targets"?
2022-03-09 16:02:18	Bayes	systemctl list-timers --all
2022-03-09 16:02:28	Namarrgon	--user
2022-03-09 16:02:29	Bayes	I'll check journalctl and see why it fails
2022-03-09 16:02:44	Bayes	dude doh
2022-03-09 16:02:50	Bayes	thanks again :D
2022-03-09 16:02:51	Namarrgon	the system and user instances are independent of eachother
2022-03-09 16:03:55	Bayes	systemd2hard4me
2022-03-09 16:04:55	Bayes	for what it's worth, I'm writing an "autobackup" script in ~/.local/bin and setting up a systemd unit to run it 15 mins after the computer boots
2022-03-09 16:05:17	Namarrgon	after boot or after login?
2022-03-09 16:05:24	Bayes	eh in this case after login yeah
2022-03-09 16:05:51	Bayes	ive been thinking, alternatively, that maybe I want to set a time at mid day where "the computer is likely on" most days
2022-03-09 16:06:09	Bayes	so I don't lose a day of backup if the computer breaks down overnight
2022-03-09 16:06:16	Bayes	backup is hard
2022-03-09 16:07:11	HawkinsTheWizard	borgbackup
2022-03-09 16:11:24	Bayes	I know borg, my setting is a bit more... custom
2022-03-09 16:11:52	Bayes	I'm just committing to some repos plus rsync to a remote
2022-03-09 16:14:43	cedb	anyone has problems with integrated bluetooth with iwlwifi card ?
2022-03-09 16:15:00	MrElendig	lots of people, yes
2022-03-09 16:15:23	MrElendig	if its an old intel card; consider upgrading it
2022-03-09 16:15:33	cedb	yeah its old, ah man
2022-03-09 16:15:42	cedb	$$ for firmware, fml
2022-03-09 16:16:03	MrElendig	what card is it and what is the problem?
2022-03-09 16:16:20	cedb	it used to work not so long ago, until a fatal update, now i get "no controller available" in bltctl when i try "power on"
2022-03-09 16:16:33	cedb	i have to modprobe bluetooth manually too
2022-03-09 16:16:47	MrElendig	rfkill, dmesg etc
2022-03-09 16:17:00	cedb	device doesnt show up in rfkill
2022-03-09 16:19:00	cedb	this is the ouptut from "dmesg | grep bluetooth"
2022-03-09 16:19:02	cedb	http://ix.io/3RMF
2022-03-09 16:19:54	cedb	and for grep iwlwifi
2022-03-09 16:19:55	cedb	http://ix.io/3RMG
2022-03-09 16:28:57	Bayes	anyone using zathura here? how do I "go to page XX"
2022-03-09 16:29:27	Foxboron	Bayes: same as you do in vim: number followed by gg
2022-03-09 16:29:34	Foxboron	Or just :<number>
2022-03-09 16:29:40	Bayes	ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2022-03-09 16:29:41	Bayes	vim
2022-03-09 16:30:05	Bayes	another question if you don't mind, which might also be answered with "same as  you do in vim"
2022-03-09 16:30:21	Bayes	how do you search backwards instead of forward?
2022-03-09 16:30:33	Foxboron	Same as vim: ?
2022-03-09 16:30:40	Foxboron	 / is forwards, ? is backwards
2022-03-09 16:31:20	Bayes	oh
2022-03-09 16:31:52	Bayes	so ?potato will search for potato and, when pressing n, will move forward
2022-03-09 16:32:06	Bayes	if I do /potato it searchs for potato, and when pressing n, will move backward instead?
2022-03-09 16:32:24	Bayes	(I think ? searchs forward)
2022-03-09 16:32:28	GuiToris	does this mean 50th line? .elinks//elinks.conf:50: bad value
2022-03-09 16:32:43	Bayes	Foxboron last one I promise, how to search from beginning of the document?
2022-03-09 16:32:50	Foxboron	Bayes: idk
2022-03-09 16:32:53	GuiToris	my 50th line is set document.uri_passing.tab-external-command = "/usr/bin/chromium %c"
2022-03-09 16:33:44	Bayes	ok thanks Foxboron I know now that I need to look this up in the vim docs
2022-03-09 16:33:46	atomicwrites	Bayes: If you're talking about vim (and most vim imitation UIs) / is forward and ? is back. n is next result and N is previous.
2022-03-09 16:34:07	Bayes	cause the zathura docs where pretty limited so I thought it was missing features xD
2022-03-09 16:35:59	Bayes	atomicwrites oh so N is what I was looking for
2022-03-09 16:36:02	Bayes	thanks
2022-03-09 16:37:08	Bayes	and gnn to jump to the first match, aka "search from document start"
2022-03-09 16:41:04	atomicwrites	So, last night i went to update and it said it had 3GB to download for a total installed size of 10 GB (yes I have to update more often). So the moment I hit Y to start the install my GUI stopped responding, and after about a minute of trying was able to SSH in and reboot, but it looks like the upgrade did start as I didn't have a kernel on my esp anymore. I reinstalled `linux` from an arch ISO,
2022-03-09 16:41:06	atomicwrites	but once I booted I tried to run the upgrade again and it says everything is up to date. There is no way that massive upgrade finished (and the pacman lock was still set). Is there a way to fix this other than having it reinstall every package?
2022-03-09 16:42:05	Namarrgon	how far did the update get according to pacman's log?
2022-03-09 17:00:42	atomicwrites	Namarrgon: Ok, so I looked through the log and it get up to "upgraded zsh" so it looks like it somehow did download and install them all in the space of 3 minutes, the last entry in the log is 
2022-03-09 17:00:43	atomicwrites	`[2022-03-08T22:35:01-0500] [ALPM] running '60-depmod.hook'...`
2022-03-09 17:05:20	atomicwrites	Looks like there are several more scripts in `/usr/share/libalpm/hooks/` that should run after `60-depmod.hook` though.
2022-03-09 17:11:05	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-09 17:57:13	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-03-09 17:57:13	ℹ 	Tema establecido por phrik (~phrik@phrik.archlinux.org) el dom, 06 feb 2022 22:28:56
2022-03-09 17:57:13	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1481 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1481 normals)
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2022-03-09 17:57:15	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-03-09 17:57:21	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-03-09 17:57:21	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-09 18:02:34	txtsd	qt5ct and qt6ct in community didn't get Qt 5.15.3 rebuilds.
2022-03-09 18:03:27	pun	Hello. For the longest time I thought I have no need for an AUR helper but I've recently decided to switch to paru since there are a lot of packages in AUR that I need if I plan on moving to wayland. I have 3 PKGBUILDs that I keep in my backup folder, a custom one for "st" one for the "selene" ( lua formatting ) and another one for the "consolas" font; I after a fresh install I basically have a
2022-03-09 18:03:28	jelle	!give txtsd bugs
2022-03-09 18:03:29	phrik	txtsd: Bugs?! Arch Linux has no bugs! Oh.. wait.. https://bugs.archlinux.org
2022-03-09 18:03:29	pun	script that runs makepkg -s and pacman -U. My question is, how would I go about handling these with an aur helper without submitting them to AUR ? 
2022-03-09 18:03:38	txtsd	Some qt apps fail to open when using QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct
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2022-03-09 18:04:57	morganamilo	pun: what do you expect an aur helper to aid with if theyre not on the aur? 
2022-03-09 18:05:09	txtsd	pun: Same way as pacman. yay can do yay -U
2022-03-09 18:05:25	morganamilo	Makepkg -i 
2022-03-09 18:05:43	morganamilo	Allo yay -U is just pacman -U 
2022-03-09 18:06:14	Scimmia	txtsd: and it's not a styleplugins issue?
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2022-03-09 18:08:51	txtsd	Dangit every time I think it's qt5ct and every single time it's qt5-styleplugins
2022-03-09 18:09:01	txtsd	Thanks
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2022-03-09 18:10:26	pun	morganamilo: My thinking was finding a centralized way to handle them instead of suing my shell script. Some like "yay --local-PKGBUILD" or if I'm thinking about it wrong and there's a better way to do this, I don't think I'm the only person which manages local pkgbuidls outside of AUR; txtsd thanks, if nothing comes up I think I'm going to go for this.
2022-03-09 18:11:11	morganamilo	Are these pgkbuilds distributed across machines? 
2022-03-09 18:11:15	txtsd	You don't even need pacman -U
2022-03-09 18:11:21	txtsd	Just do makepkg -si
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2022-03-09 18:11:40	Scimmia	which just does pacman -U for you, it's no different
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2022-03-09 18:14:20	pun	morganamilo: no, no just my personal laptop and desktop pc; txtsd, Scimmia thanks
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2022-03-09 18:14:43	morganamilo	Yeah then just use -i like I said 
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2022-03-09 18:17:19	Scimmia	pun: what would be the advantage of using an AUR helper for this?
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2022-03-09 18:21:05	pun	Scimmia: Right now I have a post-install script that adds a bunch of repos to pacman.conf and then also these local PKGBUILDS and of top of this I also need AUR packages, I would like to get rid of everything and post-install do yay -S XX XX XX and be done with it. I agree nothing changes but it's mostly for my peace of mind / yak shaving / etc 
2022-03-09 18:21:27	jonathon	pun: i suspect you're looking for either makepkg or aurutils
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2022-03-09 18:21:50	morganamilo	Maybe you want a local repo 
2022-03-09 18:21:59	jonathon	aurutils probably, then you put your custom PKGBUILDs into a local repo
2022-03-09 18:22:12	jonathon	morganamilo: :D
2022-03-09 18:22:21	Scimmia	pun: you are editing the PKGBUILDs yourself, but don't want to use makepkg to build them directly?
2022-03-09 18:23:08	morganamilo	jonathon: aurutils ain't the onlyway :p 
2022-03-09 18:23:08	Scimmia	pun: or it sounds like you're confusing packages and PKGBUILDs
2022-03-09 18:23:47	beest	yeah that's starting to look like the case
2022-03-09 18:24:25	pun	morganamilo: jonathon I'll look into aurutils thank you. Scimmia I'm having a hard time trying to explain myself I know but basically I would like to designate a local space where an aur helper could basically look; 
2022-03-09 18:24:36	pun	after all it's not like I download packages from AUR
2022-03-09 18:24:37	Scimmia	look for WHAT?
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2022-03-09 18:24:48	pun	PKGBUILDS and information related for building the packages
2022-03-09 18:25:08	beest	so you want to make a local repo?
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2022-03-09 18:25:10	morganamilo	What's wrong with makepkg though? 
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2022-03-09 18:25:21	Scimmia	if you're managing the PKGBUILD youself, there's no reason at all for a helper to get involved
2022-03-09 18:26:07	Scimmia	helpers are pretty much for PKGBUILDs managed by others, to check for and get updates
2022-03-09 18:26:22	Scimmia	that's not applicable for PKGBUILDs you manage
2022-03-09 18:27:04	jb1277976	did anyone get a change to see my question?
2022-03-09 18:27:08	Scimmia	I suppose there could be some advantage if you need deps from the AUR
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2022-03-09 18:27:26	ℹ 	rwb es conocido ahora como rb
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2022-03-09 18:27:48	beest	pun: are you basically just looking to have your own locally-built packages organised in a custom local repo?
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2022-03-09 18:27:56	beest	because that's a thing you can do
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2022-03-09 18:28:26	jb1277976	got a printer that has a scanner and top scanner attached to it. i would like to use the scan feature from my laptop. on windows and mac os i can install what is needed  but on arch i can't find the package/driver for it. i can print fine but can't use the scanner. any ideas?
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2022-03-09 18:28:30	MacGyver	jb1277976: No.
2022-03-09 18:28:36	jb1277976	et-4760
2022-03-09 18:28:36	MacGyver	Dunno when you asked it.
2022-03-09 18:29:02	MacGyver	jb1277976: USB-attached?
2022-03-09 18:29:09	jb1277976	MacGyver: its wireless
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2022-03-09 18:29:32	beest	then you probably need sane-airscan
2022-03-09 18:29:33	jonathon	MacGyver: 06:06 UTC today
2022-03-09 18:29:44	pun	beest: I did not know about local repos. I'll look into it. morganamilo: Nothing Scimmia You're right but I don't think I'm able to present this in a way that makes sense to you.
2022-03-09 18:29:49	jb1277976	beest: from aur or is it in the repos?
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2022-03-09 18:30:17	MacGyver	It's in [extra]
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2022-03-09 18:30:31	Scimmia	jb1277976: give the sane wiki page a read
2022-03-09 18:30:38	beest	pun: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Custom_local_repository also aurutils is basically built around managing custom local repos, with or without the aur
2022-03-09 18:30:39	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-09 18:30:46	jb1277976	ok thanks. even thought its for an epson printer?
2022-03-09 18:30:57	MacGyver	That doesn't matter.
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2022-03-09 18:31:12	MacGyver	SANE is to scanning what CUPS is to printing.
2022-03-09 18:31:34	beest	there are a handful of printers with caveats, read the wiki article
2022-03-09 18:31:39	beest	erm s/printers/scanners/
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2022-03-09 18:32:07	MacGyver	By which I mean, regardless of scanner brand, you'll probably need to use SANE anyway.
2022-03-09 18:32:15	jb1277976	Thanks MacGyver 
2022-03-09 18:32:33	jb1277976	Thanks beest 
2022-03-09 18:32:46	beest	👍
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2022-03-09 18:44:00	beest	apologies for spoiling my reputation and being helpful in #archlinux, i'll do better
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2022-03-09 18:54:53	alwyn	Are there arguments that can be made to use a block device directly (context: storage/backup external HDD) instead of creating a partition first? Or vice versa?
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2022-03-09 18:58:40	alwyn	Or for example a larger system, like a pool of disks for zfs
2022-03-09 18:58:53	Khorne	You could but why would you want to?
2022-03-09 18:59:13	Khorne	For the two sectors you save by not having a GPT header on it?
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2022-03-09 19:18:12	TheDcoder	Hi, the microphone in my headset is not being detected, only my laptop's internal mic is shown in PulseAudio's Mixer :(
2022-03-09 19:18:27	TheDcoder	I am using PipeWire
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2022-03-09 19:19:14	TheDcoder	Is there a way to disable the laptop mic in the kernel?
2022-03-09 19:19:41	espero	TheDcoder, have you tried changing the port in pavucontrol?
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2022-03-09 19:20:17	TheDcoder	espero: yes, only one "Microphone" is present
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2022-03-09 19:21:16	teraflops	TheDcoder: what kind of headset is it? bt, usb, jack?
2022-03-09 19:21:51	TheDcoder	teraflops: jack
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2022-03-09 19:22:08	teraflops	if it's not detected i don't think disabling the built-in one would make any difference
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2022-03-09 19:22:26	TheDcoder	I see...
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2022-03-09 19:23:38	another|	TheDcoder: Anything on the config tab in pavucontrol?
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2022-03-09 19:25:22	TheDcoder	another|: Just a dropdown to select a profile for "Built-in audio"
2022-03-09 19:26:06	another|	is the jack built-in? 
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2022-03-09 19:26:26	another|	check the options
2022-03-09 19:26:53	TheDcoder	Yes, the jack is inside the laptop
2022-03-09 19:27:39	TheDcoder	I have selected "Analog Stereo Duplex"
2022-03-09 19:27:52	TheDcoder	I don't think my headphones can handle Digital HDMI
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2022-03-09 19:28:47	TheDcoder	The audio plays in my monitor if I select Digital output!
2022-03-09 19:28:56	TheDcoder	guess that's what HDMI is for :)
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2022-03-09 19:35:53	lf94-	So I just pacman remove pulseaudio, and pacman install pipewire, and my audio should continue to work?
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2022-03-09 19:37:59	teraflops	that's the idea
2022-03-09 19:38:42	teraflops	TheDcoder: mind pasting the output of pw-dump -N to a paste service?
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2022-03-09 19:40:21	TheDcoder	!paste
2022-03-09 19:40:22	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-03-09 19:40:49	Scimmia	lf94-: easiest to just install pipewire and pipewire-pulse, let pacman take care of removing pulse that way. You don't run into so many dependency issues that way
2022-03-09 19:41:04	lf94-	Scimmia: ok, nice! I was worried pacman wouldnt take care of it.
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2022-03-09 19:43:41	TheDcoder	teraflops: sure, but output is too large for paste services, you can download the output text from here: https://wormhole.app/zQA71#RmU6YuVGbfnvVKZuPwCMPw
2022-03-09 19:43:45	phrik	Title: Wormhole - Simple, private file sharing (at wormhole.app)
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2022-03-09 19:44:56	teraflops	272kb of json output ;)
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2022-03-09 19:45:03	TheDcoder	:)
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2022-03-09 19:45:24	teraflops	TheDcoder: ok, only the built-in one there
2022-03-09 19:45:37	teraflops	no idea why is not detected
2022-03-09 19:45:40	TheDcoder	yeah, seems like it :(
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2022-03-09 19:47:18	teraflops	google about the model + linux or similar searches?
2022-03-09 19:47:22	teraflops	googled^
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2022-03-09 19:51:38	TheDcoder	These headphones (JBL Quantum 100) are kinda cheap so not many results.
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2022-03-09 19:54:18	TheDcoder	I have a headphone jack splitter which splits the single jack into two inputs, one for speaker and another for mic
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2022-03-09 19:54:50	TheDcoder	so I tried it and only inserted the input for mic, and the strange thing is that it's detecting it as a speaker and I can actually play audio
2022-03-09 19:55:01	TheDcoder	it just plays in one side of the headset
2022-03-09 19:55:07	demonicmaniac1	you have a combo jack and a splitter that splits the combo jack multipin into output pins and input pin
2022-03-09 19:55:22	demonicmaniac1	if you don't have a combo jack then a splitter doesn't work
2022-03-09 19:55:50	TheDcoder	do you mean the opposite?
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2022-03-09 19:56:06	TheDcoder	I have a combo jack and the splitter is not working properly
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2022-03-09 19:57:05	TheDcoder	and there's no need for a splitter if both input and output JACKs are combo
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2022-03-09 19:57:52	demonicmaniac1	the question is whether you have a combo jack or not. 4 pin or only 3 pin. 4 pin has 3 channels for l audio r audio mic, 3 pin doesn't
2022-03-09 19:58:23	demonicmaniac1	a combo jack splitter into seperate input and output can't really "not work" because it just maps out the pins into the seperate input/output jacks
2022-03-09 19:59:01	teraflops	so the mic is a 2.5 jack piece that is plugged into the headphones
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2022-03-09 20:00:03	TheDcoder	teraflops: yes, it's removable, but does it make a difference?
2022-03-09 20:00:13	teraflops	idk to be honest
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2022-03-09 20:00:44	TheDcoder	demonicmaniac1: How do I check?, can I peek inside the jack?
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2022-03-09 20:01:16	demonicmaniac1	datasheet?
2022-03-09 20:01:18	TheDcoder	or is there a way to check via software?
2022-03-09 20:01:21	demonicmaniac1	is it a laptop or a computer
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2022-03-09 20:01:35	TheDcoder	laptop, I can open it up but it's a huge task
2022-03-09 20:01:45	demonicmaniac1	if it's a laptop then datasheet just google the model
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2022-03-09 20:01:56	demonicmaniac1	or look if it has both headphone and mic symbols around the port
2022-03-09 20:02:14	TheDcoder	yeah, it has both
2022-03-09 20:02:43	TheDcoder	it has icon depicting a headset on top of a microphone
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2022-03-09 20:02:54	demonicmaniac1	right then it is a 4 pin combo jack
2022-03-09 20:02:56	TheDcoder	so the microphone is sort of like wearing them
2022-03-09 20:03:27	TheDcoder	that sounds good (pun unintended), but does that mean I have a software issue?
2022-03-09 20:04:08	demonicmaniac1	lets go through this more slowly. the splitter splits the combo jack into a green and red seperate input and output jack or into 2 combo jacks?
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2022-03-09 20:05:07	demonicmaniac1	jack detection issus could at most lead to mic not detected or speakers when plugged in and using the builtin laptop ones
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2022-03-09 20:08:23	TheDcoder	demonicmaniac1: my splitter just uses icons on the two outputs
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2022-03-09 20:08:56	TheDcoder	Ooooh, I see them
2022-03-09 20:09:04	TheDcoder	two green stripes and two red stripes
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2022-03-10 17:32:31	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1497 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1497 normals)
2022-03-10 16:44:08	jensen	i installed lxappearance, gnome-themes-extra, and breeze-icons. Using lxappearance, it applies the Adwaita theme to pcmanfm-gtk3 but applying the Breeze Dark icon that shows has no effect. Any ideas? I killed all pcmanfm processes
2022-03-10 16:46:23	jensen	i'm on wayland
2022-03-10 16:54:56	scara	I'm disapointed https://i.kalli.st/KsNmb.txt
2022-03-10 16:57:00	rcf	I don't follow 
2022-03-10 17:00:08	kib	https://0x0.st/oZNo.png
2022-03-10 17:00:09	kib	how do i get rid of the top blue bar in xwayland programs? I am using sway currently
2022-03-10 17:00:33	Khorne	Isn't that just the sway titlebar?
2022-03-10 17:00:44	kib	i have the sway titlebar disabled though
2022-03-10 17:00:51	kib	doesn't show up in any other app
2022-03-10 17:01:13	Khorne	if they start floating its default_floating_border iirc
2022-03-10 17:01:38	kib	no even if i make the app tiled its still there
2022-03-10 17:01:59	jensen	that's not the focus of the current window?
2022-03-10 17:02:55	kib	default_border pixel 3
2022-03-10 17:02:58	kib	i have this in my config
2022-03-10 17:03:06	kib	hmm lemme try making it 0
2022-03-10 17:03:23	kib	nope still there
2022-03-10 17:03:53	Khorne	does sway live reload the config
2022-03-10 17:04:15	rcf	It does not, but you can just call sway $option_to_set and it will work 
2022-03-10 17:04:26	kib	i reloaded sway
2022-03-10 17:04:27	Khorne	Ah fair
2022-03-10 17:04:27	thursdaylark	or bindsym to the reload command
2022-03-10 17:04:34	kib	yes i have that
2022-03-10 17:04:39	thursdaylark	kib: is that window floating?
2022-03-10 17:04:42	kib	default_border pixel none
2022-03-10 17:04:43	kib	default_floating_border pixel none
2022-03-10 17:04:46	kib	this seemed to have worked
2022-03-10 17:04:59	kib	thanks guys
2022-03-10 17:32:31	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-10 17:44:43	zenof	hi there, with rsync, is there a way to compute checksums on the sender side only once and only recompute them again, if file size and/or m-time has changed, so kind of persistently keep the checksum cache?
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2022-03-10 18:18:00	another|	zenof: in what context? filesystem integrity check?
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2022-03-10 18:32:47	Scimmia	progandy: are you sure your qt issue isn't styleplugins?
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2022-03-10 18:33:18	Scimmia	or some other non-repo package?
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2022-03-10 18:49:16	CalimeroTeknik	where does the output of the command in RUN in an udev rule go?
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2022-03-10 18:54:20	zenof	another|, yes, I would like to check the receiver side data for integrity on a regular base, whereas I assume the sender to be integer usually
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2022-03-10 18:57:40	another|	integer? I don't think this word means what you think it does
2022-03-10 18:58:36	another|	there are filesystems with integrated checksums like btrfs or zfs
2022-03-10 18:59:59	zenof	.. be of integrity? well I mean the sender's data to be always valid.
2022-03-10 19:00:03	Earnest	zenof: (Look to move to borg instead)
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2022-03-10 19:01:31	zenof	and, no I would like to have a more or less filesystem independent solution, that would also work on an ext4 for example
2022-03-10 19:01:54	Earnest	If you go the way of zfs, in terms of error correction, you need more than one drive (zraid).  zfs running on a single hdd is probably more harmful than just using ext4
2022-03-10 19:02:16	another|	Ah, I somehow missed rsync
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2022-03-10 19:03:14	Earnest	zenof: Using a fs that does error correction, combined with borg, which has cryptographic data verification gives you the best of both worlds, but you need an actual raid setup for that to work (dm-integrity is nice too)
2022-03-10 19:03:48	zenof	Earnest, does this work over ssh to a remote... ?
2022-03-10 19:03:50	Earnest	There is really little else in terms of ensuring consistency of data
2022-03-10 19:03:55	Earnest	zenof: Yeah
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2022-03-10 19:04:23	Earnest	With borg you get that stuff for free as it's a CAS (there's a few others, borg isn't alone, but it's pretty good)
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2022-03-10 19:08:56	mpan	CalimeroTeknik: I believe it goes nowhere. Is there some specific thing for which you need that information (in other words: an XY problem) or are you asking from curiosity?
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2022-03-10 19:10:23	mpan	CalimeroTeknik: for logging information from the script, you are supposed to either post to journald or to your own log.
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2022-03-10 19:13:44	zenof	oh, okay, then I will have a look at it at some time. but, for now I still have to deal with ext4. basically I would like rsync to archive a file if it's changed in file size or time on sender and to check for integrity by a checksum. but rsync's --checksum option doesn't do what I want, plut it would go re-calculating the checksums on the sender side for every file every time I run it, even if
2022-03-10 19:13:44	zenof	the file hasn't changed.
2022-03-10 19:13:59	zenof	*plus
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2022-03-10 19:23:26	CalimeroTeknik	mpan, actually I found it in the logs after ramping up the logging level of udev to debug, with  udevadm control --log-priority=debug
2022-03-10 19:23:57	CalimeroTeknik	the logs of the udev service
2022-03-10 19:26:01	Earnest	zenof: (borg can work with ext4, btw, if there was any confusion about this)
2022-03-10 19:28:59	mpan	CalimeroTeknik: yeah, but I mean… normally. In normal operation those things should be explicitly logged to journal or your own logs.
2022-03-10 19:31:40	zenof	convinced, I will read borg's doc now.
2022-03-10 19:47:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-10 20:00:34	CalimeroTeknik	mpan, I would have the opposite opinion: if the command outputs nothing, nothing is logged; if it outputs something, it was probably not without reason and should be reported, if only to be suppressed explicitly
2022-03-10 20:01:31	CalimeroTeknik	this is more philosophy of design, but I see complaint after complaint that "nothing happens and nobody knows why", people grepping their entire hard disk in rage for the message they wanted to see
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2022-03-10 20:05:25	CalimeroTeknik	I know it's a novel approach to systems and programming that's less than 60 years old, but I think it would do great good
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2022-03-10 20:06:15	CalimeroTeknik	in short, anything output, anywhere at all, should be loudly reported, and we should only ever report anything if we need to
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2022-03-10 20:07:32	CalimeroTeknik	silent failure shouldn't just be impossible, it should not be expressable
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2022-03-10 20:09:07	mpan	You do realize that no one is here to argue or even listen to that? I gave you advice on how to avoid issues. Whether you like it or not is not a subject of discussion.
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2022-03-10 20:11:22	mpan	It’s also not a subject for #archlinux whether I agree or not with your view of what things should or should not do.
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2022-03-10 20:48:30	Helenah	Hi
2022-03-10 20:48:57	Helenah	I need some help debuggin a problem, a vfio host with multiple VMs, they all started slugging after a pacman update on the host.
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2022-03-10 21:07:00	akatran	Hi!
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2022-03-10 21:18:45	NetSysFire	!give akatran welcomerpg
2022-03-10 21:18:46	phrik	akatran: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how many .pacnew files you ignored.
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2022-03-10 21:22:07	akatran	NetSysFire.... thanks for the welcome message! I'm almost ignore every .pacnew file ever existed!
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2022-03-10 21:26:10	mpan	!give akatran alfa
2022-03-10 21:26:11	phrik	akatran: https://haavard.me/files/alfa.pdf
2022-03-10 21:26:27	mpan	↑ please fill in this form and submit it to your nearest Arch Linux Support office.
2022-03-10 21:28:15	akatran	Nice!
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2022-03-10 21:29:48	akatran	I did actually broke my system after a regular update!
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2022-03-11 10:52:20	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-03-11 10:52:20	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1487 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1487 normals)
2022-03-11 08:05:41	uuidNuniq	pacman rocks
2022-03-11 08:05:58	uuidNuniq	best OS so far.
2022-03-11 10:35:57	Nemo9	hi i need help please! anyone here?
2022-03-11 10:36:45	jelle	!ask
2022-03-11 10:36:45	phrik	Don't ask to ask, if anyone is here or alive, or uses something. Just ask, and we'll get moving along. Thanks.
2022-03-11 10:37:28	Nemo9	ok thnx, so arch releases from 2022 are freezing on boot on macbook air 2013
2022-03-11 10:37:59	Nemo9	i tried dd and iso also tried burning into flash drive using rufus on windows
2022-03-11 10:38:20	Nemo9	dd with diffrenet bs 1536 512 and 1M 
2022-03-11 10:38:34	Nemo9	i tried also building releng and baseline isos
2022-03-11 10:38:38	Nemo9	not working
2022-03-11 10:38:59	Nemo9	i added a custom repo and downloaded older versions of syslinux
2022-03-11 10:39:00	tbreslein	as in, even the boot medium freezes, before you are even installing anything onto the macbook?
2022-03-11 10:39:02	Nemo9	and linux
2022-03-11 10:39:21	Nemo9	yeah the boot menu from syslinux freezes
2022-03-11 10:39:52	Nemo9	i also added custom repo with older versions of linux and syslinux and not working
2022-03-11 10:41:08	Nemo9	arch iso from december 2021 works fine 2022 january freezes on boot menu
2022-03-11 10:42:26	Nemo9	ohh and i also downloaded older versions of archiso
2022-03-11 10:42:55	Nemo9	v58 and v59 same problem iso builds fine works using run_archiso but on my macbook freezes
2022-03-11 10:47:02	tbreslein	weird. since i'm guessing you are trying to install arch, have you just tried installing it with one of those older isos? most (if not all) packages are downloaded fresh from the repos anyways during the install process, so it could "just work"
2022-03-11 10:47:33	Nemo9	yeah i did install from those older versions
2022-03-11 10:47:44	Nemo9	but the problem is with mirrors
2022-03-11 10:47:46	tbreslein	obviously, only do that if you are okay with possibly breaking something (though this sounds like a notebook resurrection)
2022-03-11 10:48:04	Nemo9	lates iso have better mirrors and reflector doesnt work for some reason
2022-03-11 10:48:25	Nemo9	latest*
2022-03-11 10:49:12	Nemo9	I want to build my own iso
2022-03-11 10:52:20	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-03-11 10:53:44	tbreslein	hm, ok, that i possibly cannot help you with then, sry :/
2022-03-11 10:53:57	nl6720	Nemo9: are you sure it's syslinux that freezes? not systemd-boot?
2022-03-11 10:54:15	Nemo9	thnx tbreslein 
2022-03-11 10:54:37	Nemo9	nl6720: The first time i see arch uefi mode and copy to ram option
2022-03-11 10:54:44	Nemo9	thats the one that freezes
2022-03-11 10:55:35	Nemo9	the timeout that says booting in 3. goes away on 3 and freezes
2022-03-11 10:55:55	nl6720	the the UEFI boot loader is systemd-boot. syslinux is used for BIOS booting
2022-03-11 10:56:10	nl6720	Nemo9: does it boot if you don't touch any keyboard buttons?
2022-03-11 10:56:16	Nemo9	nl6720: good to know 
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2022-03-11 10:56:22	CalimeroTeknik	mpan, eh, I guess the IRC channel is the most hostile avenue to advocacy in any given project. I'll take it to the mailing list insofar as it concerns the distro itself
2022-03-11 10:56:22	Nemo9	nl6720: no it doesnot
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2022-03-11 10:57:08	Nemo9	i waited for 30 mins it freezes there
2022-03-11 10:57:09	nl6720	:/ then it's not https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/22428
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2022-03-11 10:58:27	Nemo9	iso from december 2021 works fine
2022-03-11 11:00:17	◣	nitdega (~nitdega@user/nitdega) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-03-11 11:00:23	nl6720	Nemo9: does it even try to boot the kernel or it just stops on 3 seconds remaining?
2022-03-11 11:01:10	Nemo9	no it freezes instantly keyboard not working no efi shell or anything
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2022-03-11 11:01:45	nl6720	does the keyboard work in the boot loader? are you sure you're not touching any buttons?
2022-03-11 11:01:46	Nemo9	also i think timeout is 30s not 3
2022-03-11 11:02:05	Nemo9	nl6720: no the keyboard doesnt work 
2022-03-11 11:02:28	Nemo9	im sure nl6720 i didnt click anything
2022-03-11 11:03:24	nl6720	the timeout should be 15 https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/archiso/-/blob/master/configs/releng/efiboot/loader/loader.conf
2022-03-11 11:03:25	phrik	Title: configs/releng/efiboot/loader/loader.conf · master · Arch Linux / archiso · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2022-03-11 11:04:19	Nemo9	yeah i tried tinkering with the timeout set it to 0 and  build the iso
2022-03-11 11:04:22	Nemo9	same thing
2022-03-11 11:04:40	nl6720	if your keyboard doesn't work in systemd-boot then it should be that systemd bug I linked above; Arch bug: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73812
2022-03-11 11:04:41	phrik	Title: FS#73812 : [Systemd-boot] 250.3-4-arch : System hangs when keyboard is used to choose or change boot options (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2022-03-11 11:05:57	Nemo9	ok but if the keyboard does not work the timeout where is says booting in 15 ...
2022-03-11 11:06:02	Nemo9	it does not show
2022-03-11 11:06:25	Nemo9	it just shows booting in 3.. for a about a second then goes away and freezes
2022-03-11 11:07:01	ponies	seems like the same issue 
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2022-03-11 11:07:43	ponies	"It's been fixed and backported to systemd-stable, pending 250.4 release" -- Sun Tzu, probably 
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2022-03-11 11:08:46	Nemo9	ponies: Okay, but systemd is built in the archiso i cant add my own repo with an older version of it (stable) ?
2022-03-11 11:08:47	nl6720	I wonder when they actually plan on releasing that version
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2022-03-11 11:10:10	ponies	am i suffering from this, and dont even know it? 
2022-03-11 11:10:42	jelle	nl6720: they are still waiting on some "fixes"
2022-03-11 11:10:57	ponies	Nemo9: why are you in the iso? you havent installed the os yet? 
2022-03-11 11:11:14	nl6720	jelle: and I'm still waiting for them to fix DNSSEC in resolved...
2022-03-11 11:11:21	jelle	:(
2022-03-11 11:11:25	nl6720	any decade now
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2022-03-11 11:11:37	Nemo9	ponies: i installed it but i want to build my custom iso
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2022-03-11 11:13:07	nl6720	Nemo9: a simple way to test if it's that bug would be to: 1) build systemd-git, 2) follow https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/USB_flash_installation_medium#In_GNU/Linux_4 , 3) extract usr/lib/systemd/boot/efi/systemd-bootx64.efi from the built package and copy it to EFI/BOOT/BOOTx64.EFI on the USB
2022-03-11 11:13:08	phrik	Title: USB flash installation medium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-03-11 11:13:42	nl6720	if it would still not work, then it's a new bug that should be reported
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2022-03-11 11:14:13	ponies	sucks to have a bug in the bootloader lmao 
2022-03-11 11:14:44	Nemo9	nl6720: thnx, but is there a stable one
2022-03-11 11:15:07	nl6720	Nemo9: what do you mean by that?
2022-03-11 11:15:36	Nemo9	ponies: yeah lol when i lost hope i was going to build debian image using live-build
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2022-03-11 11:15:58	ponies	Nemo9: why dont you just build 249-rc3? 
2022-03-11 11:16:18	Nemo9	nl6720: i will try okay
2022-03-11 11:16:32	Nemo9	nl6720: thanks!
2022-03-11 11:16:36	ponies	or just 249 of course that one
2022-03-11 11:16:39	nl6720	ponies: that won't confirm if it's not a entirely new bug
2022-03-11 11:16:58	ponies	true. but hes asking two different things 
2022-03-11 11:18:05	Nemo9	ponies: well imo this bootloader stuff better using a stable more reliable version than the latest
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2022-03-11 11:18:41	ponies	i think that they will fix this in the next week 
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2022-03-11 11:21:57	Nemo9	ponies: Okay maybe ill just wait until its fixed
2022-03-11 11:24:12	Nemo9	Thanks im glad i came here!
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2022-03-11 11:31:31	ponies	glad to hear it 
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2022-03-11 13:02:46	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1488 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1488 normals)
2022-03-11 13:02:46	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-11 23:18:13	Oreeeee	anybody else getting "Unknown error Open Collaboration Service (0)" error in KDE store? store.kde.org is up
2022-03-11 23:20:03	astralc	kde store? you mean discover?
2022-03-11 23:25:16	Oreeeee	the thing that allows you to install themes from settings
2022-03-11 23:28:38	astralc	short search show it a frequent backend error in the store side, try again
2022-03-11 23:33:17	Earnest	microsoft released a malloc implementation and I was able to restrain myself from making a bug report about simcity no longer working
2022-03-12 01:50:17	tyler	hi
2022-03-12 02:01:31	feynhat	There is a directory in linux where I can find the product key of my Windows install. Someone in this channel told me about that some time ago but I cant remember now.
2022-03-12 02:03:57	Namarrgon	!g linux find windows product key
2022-03-12 02:03:58	phrik	Namarrgon: No results found.
2022-03-12 02:04:09	Namarrgon	there you have it, it's unpossible
2022-03-12 02:04:43	Namarrgon	https://askubuntu.com/questions/233181/retrieve-windows-8-product-key-from-mainboard
2022-03-12 02:04:44	phrik	Title: authentication - Retrieve Windows 8 Product Key from mainboard - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
2022-03-12 02:04:46	Namarrgon	first hit
2022-03-12 03:06:00	queuemm	Happy birthday, Arch!
2022-03-12 03:15:39	Strykar	sigh, updating vulkan-icd and headers now prevents vulkan games from running
2022-03-12 03:16:41	morrigan	Thank you for all that the maintainers do! Love Arch and plan to keep using it for years to come <3
2022-03-12 03:25:56	jonathon	Strykar: which games? the update should just allow vulkan 1.3 games to work
2022-03-12 03:39:41	Numero	if I've set up a shared folder connection in Dolphin (samba server), does that location show up in the local machine's filesystem somewhere? I'd like to be able to e.g. save files downloaded using firefox directly to the file server
2022-03-12 03:52:01	aod	Hi guys, after update i have to press `~` twice for it to appear, and i want to press it once like before, help thanks
2022-03-12 04:00:07	aod	pls
2022-03-12 04:00:46	ponies	aod: has your keyboard layout changed? 
2022-03-12 04:00:58	aod	nope at all
2022-03-12 04:02:00	ponies	localectl status
2022-03-12 04:05:14	aod	   System Locale: LANG=en_EN.UTF-8
2022-03-12 04:05:14	aod	       VC Keymap: en
2022-03-12 04:05:14	aod	      X11 Layout: en
2022-03-12 04:10:26	ponies	aod: change the keyboard layout, for both xorg and the terminal and i think you will get that back 
2022-03-12 04:10:58	aod	change to what?
2022-03-12 04:12:30	ponies	you know, there probably read this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg/Keyboard_configuration#Using_localectl
2022-03-12 04:12:31	phrik	Title: Xorg/Keyboard configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-12 04:14:37	Tacklebox	Hey, Just updated and restarted, no cursor on swaywm. amdgpu drivers
2022-03-12 04:16:10	ponies	aod: actually, you want THIS yes: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xmodmap#Keymap_table
2022-03-12 04:16:11	phrik	Title: xmodmap - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-12 04:18:05	ponies	Tacklebox: not even loading cursor? 
2022-03-12 04:19:09	aod	thanks
2022-03-12 04:25:08	Tacklebox	ponies: nope, and the logs say "Failed to pick cursor format" and "Failed to render cursor buffer"
2022-03-12 04:25:13	Tacklebox	Everything else works fine
2022-03-12 04:28:38	ponies	i have no idea :(
2022-03-12 04:43:09	hi117	hey, how do I get in contact with a package maintainer for a package in community?
2022-03-12 04:44:16	ponies	email or you may find him here
2022-03-12 04:44:34	hi117	in particular, the version of ceph packaged by archlinux is no longer compatible with the latest archlinux kernel
2022-03-12 04:45:41	hi117	and its 2 minor versions behind
2022-03-12 04:45:56	hi117	er, patch versions, the last dotted number bit
2022-03-12 04:54:18	ponies	hi117: Reason: According to https://docs.ceph.com/en/pacific/install/ ceph-deploy is no longer maintained, the two recommended installation methods are Cephadm and Rook (Discuss in Talk:Ceph)
2022-03-12 04:54:19	phrik	Title: Installing Ceph — Ceph Documentation (at docs.ceph.com)
2022-03-12 04:55:48	hi117	ponies: ceph does a lot more than just give you ceph-deploy......
2022-03-12 04:57:37	hi117	there's also this supported method https://docs.ceph.com/en/pacific/install/index_manual/#install-manual for instance
2022-03-12 04:57:38	phrik	Title: Installation (Manual) — Ceph Documentation (at docs.ceph.com)
2022-03-12 05:00:06	hi117	it also gives you the ceph command line tool for monitoring and administration, if that's not up to date with your chosen cluster then some administration won't be possible
2022-03-12 05:00:47	ponies	yeah golly 
2022-03-12 05:00:54	ponies	sombody didnt update the package? 
2022-03-12 05:01:30	hi117	marked out of date 2021-09, so no
2022-03-12 05:01:55	hi117	was fine with it until kernel clients couldn't talk to the cluster anymore because its so out of date now
2022-03-12 07:33:46	john_rambo	What's the command that will confirm if I am using IPTABLES or NFTABLES ?
2022-03-12 09:25:21	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-12 11:46:44	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-03-12 11:46:44	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1476 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1476 normals)
2022-03-12 10:52:07	Skaface	is it possible to download a previous version AUR pkgbuild if it has been removed from AUR?
2022-03-12 10:52:33	Earnest	no
2022-03-12 10:52:45	Skaface	hmm ok
2022-03-12 10:53:14	Namarrgon	clone the repo, checkout the commit you need
2022-03-12 10:53:49	Namarrgon	repos are usually not deleted, only hidden in the frontend
2022-03-12 10:54:56	Earnest	Ah it is the sql side which is removed, and all of that history, until recently/soon
2022-03-12 10:55:17	Skaface	ah right ok
2022-03-12 10:56:49	Skaface	cool ive git cloned the pkgbuild for it
2022-03-12 10:56:52	Skaface	thanks
2022-03-12 10:58:18	ivii	I sometimes randomly start getting disconnected by NetworkManager https://0bin.net/paste/qmQmJ9C5#yuF3-ME7I5O50VNcdtieUWzaxMgVACRVsssJcxZ8Yv0
2022-03-12 10:58:19	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oZe0.txt
2022-03-12 10:58:19	phrik	Title: 0bin - encrypted pastebin (at 0bin.net)
2022-03-12 10:59:26	nz	ivii, "carrier changed" implies it thinks the carrier went down on the interface
2022-03-12 11:00:25	nz	carrier being what media like ethernet use to detect link partners
2022-03-12 11:02:33	Ingar	ivii: what chip is it? intel, realtek?
2022-03-12 11:03:34	Ingar	the latter seems to be a bit less stable
2022-03-12 11:46:44	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-12 12:31:12	ivii	Ingar, it's Realtek, sorry for late reply
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2022-03-12 12:32:33	ivii	I keep getting disconnected. It starts randomly at some moment, this is log when it disconnects https://0x0.st/oZe0.txt
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2022-03-12 12:33:54	ℹ 	Lartza_ es conocido ahora como 047AAH2J2
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2022-03-12 12:35:27	ivii	https://0bin.net/paste/vcPxDqOi#ZBHRkq9BBPhEBUMDaA6wnA9MIWGGuVUP-euy55vy2c2
2022-03-12 12:35:28	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oZ24.txt
2022-03-12 12:35:28	phrik	Title: 0bin - encrypted pastebin (at 0bin.net)
2022-03-12 12:35:30	arseru	Hi there! Is there a way to automatically share the screen to an external monitor when I plug an HDMI to my macbook running Arch?
2022-03-12 12:35:31	ivii	driver
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2022-03-12 12:36:20	ChrisWarrick	arseru: what does it do now when you plug in HDMI?
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2022-03-12 12:38:09	arseru	ChrisWarrick: nothing, I have to manually switch to HDMI with xrandr
2022-03-12 12:38:41	Khorne	arseru, several, autorandr with a udev rule is what I use
2022-03-12 12:38:49	Khorne	Most DEs should have some way to do it too
2022-03-12 12:38:54	ChrisWarrick	arseru: or if you’re using a desktop environment, it just works™
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2022-03-12 12:40:12	pulec	I got /etc/shadow.pacnew with only root:*:some id, but my old shadow has different id, and all of the users
2022-03-12 12:40:25	pulec	should I just replace it and let the system let it fill in?
2022-03-12 12:40:31	Khorne	No
2022-03-12 12:40:48	Khorne	I dont think you ever want to replace the /etc/shadow file with a pacnew
2022-03-12 12:41:06	arseru	Khorne: I didn't know about that, I'll take a look at it, thanks! ChrisWarrick I just use i3
2022-03-12 12:41:07	pulec	ye, I also think so
2022-03-12 12:41:09	pulec	fishy
2022-03-12 12:41:18	pulec	and I also got /etc/systemd/homed.conf.pacnew
2022-03-12 12:41:23	pulec	with btrfs as default system
2022-03-12 12:41:36	pulec	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-homed
2022-03-12 12:41:37	phrik	Title: systemd-homed - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-12 12:41:39	pulec	TIL there is homed
2022-03-12 12:41:58	ChrisWarrick	pulec: if you get .pacnew files you don’t understand, but everything works, I wouldn’t bother merging them much
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2022-03-12 12:42:12	pulec	nah, that is bad advice ChrisWarrick 
2022-03-12 12:42:29	Khorne	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Users_and_groups#User_database pulec, bottom most warning of that section
2022-03-12 12:42:31	phrik	Title: Users and groups - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-12 12:42:33	pulec	I do update mirrorlist, nginx configs and such according to the new versions
2022-03-12 12:42:38	pulec	ignoring it would be foolish
2022-03-12 12:43:21	pulec	thanks Khorne 
2022-03-12 12:43:31	pulec	upgrading my server after 6 months or so lol
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2022-03-12 12:43:41	pulec	>  12:43:33 up 701 days, 23:47,  0 users,  load average: 0.23, 0.35, 0.42
2022-03-12 12:43:43	pulec	woweee
2022-03-12 12:43:53	pulec	299 days to go
2022-03-12 12:44:15	ChrisWarrick	pulec: ignoring all .pacnew might be foolish, but spending time on things you don’t really use is as well
2022-03-12 12:44:32	Khorne	ChrisWarrick, why are they installed if you don't use them? :P
2022-03-12 12:44:54	ChrisWarrick	Khorne: because systemd forces me to have them?
2022-03-12 12:45:21	◣	woodwose (~woodwose@user/woodwose) ha salido (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2022-03-12 12:45:28	pulec	ChrisWarrick: if I have packages I don't use I remove them, duh
2022-03-12 12:45:29	Khorne	Yea, guess homed
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2022-03-12 12:46:02	Khorne	But if you didn't change them from the packaged defaults there shouldnt be a pacnew I think 
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2022-03-12 13:07:58	jdarnley	lol the audio test utility (of KDE) has locked up
2022-03-12 13:08:07	wez	yay
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2022-03-12 13:08:15	wez	sus
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2022-03-12 13:09:10	ivii	Btw do you use arch?
2022-03-12 13:10:25	wez	I don't
2022-03-12 13:10:46	wez	I don't use KDE either
2022-03-12 13:11:11	wez	terminal, gnome and unity user here
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2022-03-12 17:41:35	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-03-12 17:41:35	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1501 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1501 normals)
2022-03-12 17:06:48	thurstylark	pipenv is in the repos
2022-03-12 17:06:53	thurstylark	just install it with pacman
2022-03-12 17:07:00	powftw	astralc: but i need some tools to be accessible globaly.. example pipenv, virtualenv
2022-03-12 17:07:11	astralc	they are in the repos
2022-03-12 17:07:17	powftw	huh?
2022-03-12 17:07:24	thurstylark	python-pipenv
2022-03-12 17:07:26	jelle	powftw: python -m virtualenv env is a thing now :)
2022-03-12 17:07:39	powftw	so, pypi projects are available in offical repos?
2022-03-12 17:07:46	astralc	also venv (not virtualenv) is part of python
2022-03-12 17:07:56	powftw	yes, venv
2022-03-12 17:08:05	thurstylark	there are several python packages in the repos
2022-03-12 17:08:09	astralc	but python-virtualenv is in the repo
2022-03-12 17:08:14	thurstylark	there's more than one way to put a file on a hard drive
2022-03-12 17:09:03	powftw	what if i need to install something not in arch repo?
2022-03-12 17:09:09	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Python#Package_management
2022-03-12 17:09:10	phrik	Title: Python - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-12 17:09:12	thurstylark	start there
2022-03-12 17:09:56	thurstylark	then if you need pip, start here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Python/Virtual_environment#Installation
2022-03-12 17:09:58	phrik	Title: Python/Virtual environment - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-12 17:10:55	jelle	!give powftw aur
2022-03-12 17:10:55	phrik	powftw: The trash heap of Arch. Dig around enough and maybe you will find some gold.
2022-03-12 17:11:06	jelle	powftw: https://aur.archlinux.org or flatpaks :)
2022-03-12 17:11:06	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - Home (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-03-12 17:11:42	Edu4rdSHL	Oh no, why flatpaks
2022-03-12 17:12:23	powftw	thurstylark: what about pipx 
2022-03-12 17:12:24	jelle	Edu4rdSHL: flatpaks ftw
2022-03-12 17:13:10	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL jelle bad
2022-03-12 17:13:40	thurstylark	powftw: did you not read the wiki pages that I just linked where it mentions pipenv?
2022-03-12 17:14:03	powftw	I'm reading it. Saw pipx 
2022-03-12 17:14:08	powftw	Does anyone use it?
2022-03-12 17:14:28	powftw	```pipx — Closely related to pip, but creates, for the user running it, an isolated environment for each application and its associated packages, preventing conflicts with system packages.```
2022-03-12 17:14:57	thurstylark	then what are you asking?
2022-03-12 17:16:06	jelle	powftw: what software do you want to install?
2022-03-12 17:16:29	powftw	thurstylark: what do you use? pipenv? Venv? And you activate virtual environment for any sort of pypi stuff ? What if you need to install something globally?
2022-03-12 17:16:58	astralc	what is 'globally'?
2022-03-12 17:16:59	powftw	jelle: just need to upgrade pip and install flask 
2022-03-12 17:17:07	jelle	powftw: flask is in the repos :)
2022-03-12 17:17:17	powftw	astralc: system wide I mean by global 
2022-03-12 17:17:48	astralc	system-wide - only use pacman packages, never with pip
2022-03-12 17:18:07	powftw	jelle: okay I will install flask from arch repo. But what about the error I'm having?
2022-03-12 17:18:13	powftw	 https://bpa.st/XOVQ
2022-03-12 17:18:14	astralc	if you need for specific user, without venv, use pip install with --user
2022-03-12 17:18:14	phrik	Title: View paste XOVQ (at bpa.st)
2022-03-12 17:18:15	jelle	what error?
2022-03-12 17:18:27	thurstylark	if you don't need to use pip, why are you worried that pip won't work
2022-03-12 17:18:29	Edu4rdSHL	phrik, that's usually caused by sudo pip commands
2022-03-12 17:18:30	phrik	Edu4rdSHL: BLEEP BLOOP
2022-03-12 17:18:31	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-03-12 17:18:38	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, *
2022-03-12 17:19:05	Edu4rdSHL	sudo rm -r /usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/ && pacman -S python-pip
2022-03-12 17:19:06	astralc	I also saw some creating venv specific for that and adding the venv bin to path
2022-03-12 17:19:10	Edu4rdSHL	That should fix it
2022-03-12 17:20:09	nshp	According to `pvs`, I have one disk with <554.97g PFree. This is after I shrank my filesystem and LV to remove a disk, and presumably I overcompensated. How do I, uh, not waste that space? `lvextend -l '100%FREE'` says: New size given (142072 extents) not larger than existing size (8203146 extents)
2022-03-12 17:20:18	powftw	I don't think pypi packages are installed system wide. Because I don't use sudo 
2022-03-12 17:20:23	Edu4rdSHL	And remember, avoid using pip if possible but if you really need to use it, never use sudo pip. 
2022-03-12 17:20:34	powftw	Then how the hell it does install system wide and affect the system 
2022-03-12 17:20:44	nshp	and just as I asked I answered my own question. I want `+100%FREE`, not `100%FREE` ... obviously?
2022-03-12 17:21:19	Edu4rdSHL	>.<
2022-03-12 17:21:27	Edu4rdSHL	+100%FREE, that's it
2022-03-12 17:21:38	astralc	the magic of lvm commands
2022-03-12 17:25:35	powftw	You people create seperate virtual environment to install any python package if its not in official repo And add --user flag if i want to install system wide (without root)
2022-03-12 17:25:58	powftw	q
2022-03-12 17:26:21	Edu4rdSHL	You can't install systemd-wide with --user
2022-03-12 17:26:37	Edu4rdSHL	And, if it is not in repo, check the AUR.
2022-03-12 17:26:41	powftw	Then what causes this conflict 
2022-03-12 17:27:36	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, pip install pip --upgrade
2022-03-12 17:27:44	Edu4rdSHL	There is not a --user flag :)
2022-03-12 17:28:08	Edu4rdSHL	And why you want to do that anyways...,
2022-03-12 17:28:33	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/t8dXY7Nd/
2022-03-12 17:28:34	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-03-12 17:29:11	Scimmia	isn't --user the default now if you aren't root?
2022-03-12 17:29:34	Edu4rdSHL	Well, then your problem should be fixed if you delete the respective .local/lib/python3.10/site-packages/ folder
2022-03-12 17:29:36	astralc	Scimmia: it is the default if you don't have write permission
2022-03-12 17:30:16	Edu4rdSHL	Scimmia, I just saw that in the pastebin right now, long time without using pip
2022-03-12 17:30:23	Edu4rdSHL	Good one, I think
2022-03-12 17:31:19	powftw	shall i do this? https://stackoverflow.com/a/51166161/6655469
2022-03-12 17:31:20	phrik	Title: python 3.x - pip3 install not working - No module named 'pip._vendor.pkg_resources' - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
2022-03-12 17:31:54	astralc	did you installed (pacman package) python-pip?
2022-03-12 17:32:16	powftw	yes
2022-03-12 17:32:31	powftw	when i call pip, it shows pip options
2022-03-12 17:32:58	powftw	but cannot install anything 
2022-03-12 17:33:07	astralc	even in venv?
2022-03-12 17:33:34	powftw	idk about venv. my main system has issues
2022-03-12 17:33:47	powftw	idc if venv works at this point :(
2022-03-12 17:34:29	astralc	what are you trying to install (with --user of course)
2022-03-12 17:34:59	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/E75v6c7Z/
2022-03-12 17:35:01	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-03-12 17:35:22	thurstylark	pipenv is in the repos
2022-03-12 17:35:26	thurstylark	why not just install that
2022-03-12 17:35:39	powftw	but this is just to show this thing is broken
2022-03-12 17:35:44	powftw	it's useless now
2022-03-12 17:35:47	astralc	run pacman -S python-pip and allow it to replace files
2022-03-12 17:36:54	astralc	also, what 'pacman -Qkk python-pip' output?
2022-03-12 17:36:56	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/gy1aYlKv/
2022-03-12 17:36:58	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-03-12 17:37:01	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, I have told you the ways to fix it and you just ignored that
2022-03-12 17:37:27	powftw	Edu4rdSHL: Well, then your problem should be fixed if you delete the respective .local/lib/python3.10/site-packages/ folder
2022-03-12 17:37:35	Edu4rdSHL	And, rm -r /usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/ && pacman -S python-pip
2022-03-12 17:38:13	Edu4rdSHL	That's how you fix it, if it's broken system-wide, then the latter should fix it, otherwise the former should do
2022-03-12 17:38:22	powftw	```/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/resolution/resolvelib/```
2022-03-12 17:38:30	powftw	i should remove this?
2022-03-12 17:38:47	Edu4rdSHL	Which part of rm -r /usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/ && pacman -S python-pip you don't understand?
2022-03-12 17:39:03	powftw	i did this already!!!
2022-03-12 17:39:42	Edu4rdSHL	What's the output of `type -a pip`
2022-03-12 17:41:16	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/uQayGZ2l/
2022-03-12 17:41:17	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-03-12 17:41:35	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-03-12 17:42:14	powftw	>> type -a pip
2022-03-12 17:42:14	powftw	pip is /home/lexa/.local/bin/pip
2022-03-12 17:42:14	powftw	pip is /usr/bin/pip
2022-03-12 17:42:44	astralc	you have local pip, causing conflict
2022-03-12 17:43:07	Edu4rdSHL	rm /home/lexa/.local/bin/pip && rm -r .local/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip
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2022-03-12 17:45:03	powftw	 rm -r .local/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip
2022-03-12 17:45:03	powftw	rm: cannot remove '.local/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip': No such file or directory
2022-03-12 17:45:31	powftw	removed .local/bin/pip 
2022-03-12 17:45:42	powftw	but 2nd one does not exist?
2022-03-12 17:45:59	astralc	maybe it is python 3.9?
2022-03-12 17:46:01	powftw	>> type -a pip
2022-03-12 17:46:02	powftw	pip is /usr/bin/pip
2022-03-12 17:46:31	astralc	does it exist in '.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pip'?
2022-03-12 17:47:00	powftw	Don't each python versions have its own pip? 
2022-03-12 17:47:14	astralc	not own pip, own site-packages location
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2022-03-12 17:47:45	astralc	but the bin for executable is in the same place 
2022-03-12 17:47:46	powftw	rm: cannot remove '.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pip': No such file or directory
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2022-03-12 17:48:57	powftw	Hey, I've pip folder in python 3.8 folder 
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2022-03-12 17:49:34	powftw	pip/                  pip-20.2.4.dist-info
2022-03-12 17:49:45	Edu4rdSHL	Well, delete it
2022-03-12 17:49:52	Edu4rdSHL	But your pip should aready works
2022-03-12 17:50:01	powftw	both?
2022-03-12 17:50:12	Edu4rdSHL	Yes
2022-03-12 17:50:26	powftw	done
2022-03-12 17:50:28	powftw	now>
2022-03-12 17:50:30	powftw	?
2022-03-12 17:51:03	Edu4rdSHL	Now run pip --help?
2022-03-12 17:51:07	Edu4rdSHL	And it should work
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2022-03-12 17:51:56	powftw	>> type pip
2022-03-12 17:51:56	powftw	pip is hashed (/usr/bin/pip)
2022-03-12 17:52:08	powftw	- pip is hashed ?
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2022-03-12 17:52:24	powftw	what's hashed?
2022-03-12 17:52:28	astralc	it mean the pip location is cached in the shell
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2022-03-12 17:53:41	powftw	Is that to be concerned?
2022-03-12 17:53:49	Edu4rdSHL	No...
2022-03-12 17:54:07	powftw	Can I do upgrade pip?
2022-03-12 17:54:08	◣	zeden (~zeden@user/zeden) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.4)
2022-03-12 17:54:10	ℹ 	endre` es conocido ahora como endre
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2022-03-12 17:54:19	Edu4rdSHL	WHY THE HELL YOU WANT TO DO THAT?
2022-03-12 17:54:21	Edu4rdSHL	Lmao
2022-03-12 17:54:38	powftw	Just to see if everything is okay 
2022-03-12 17:54:46	◣	Nimzowitsch (~nimzo@user/nimzowitsch) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-03-12 17:54:52	Edu4rdSHL	Edu4rdSHL | Now run pip --help? And it should work
2022-03-12 17:55:08	Edu4rdSHL	Why the hell it's so hard for you to simply follow instructions?
2022-03-12 17:55:11	powftw	Pip was showing help before as well
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2022-03-12 17:55:28	powftw	It's failing while installing or upgrade 
2022-03-12 17:55:40	astralc	powftw: are you following some non arch guide?
2022-03-12 17:56:09	astralc	use venv, always use venv
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2022-03-12 17:56:20	powftw	I've just tested to see if it's fixed And it's not fixed 
2022-03-12 17:56:22	powftw	 pip install flask --upgrade
2022-03-12 17:56:22	powftw	Defaulting to user installation because normal site-packages is not writeable
2022-03-12 17:56:22	powftw	ERROR: Exception:
2022-03-12 17:56:22	powftw	Traceback (most recent call last):
2022-03-12 17:56:22	powftw	  File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/cli/base_command.py", line 189, in _main
2022-03-12 17:56:23	powftw	    status = self.run(options, args)
2022-03-12 17:56:23	powftw	  File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/cli/req_command.py", line 178, in wrapper
2022-03-12 17:56:24	powftw	    return func(self, options, args)
2022-03-12 17:56:24	powftw	  File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/commands/install.py", line 301, in run
2022-03-12 17:56:24	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+o EMIYA] por ChanServ
2022-03-12 17:56:24	◣	EMIYA ha expulsado powftw (flood limit)
2022-03-12 17:56:34	◣	ManiacOfMadness` (~ManiacOfM@ppp-2-86-205-175.home.otenet.gr) ha salido (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2022-03-12 17:56:38	⚡ 	jelle headdesks
2022-03-12 17:56:42	astralc	lol
2022-03-12 17:56:50	Edu4rdSHL	And he said that he didn't run pip as root...
2022-03-12 17:56:52	Edu4rdSHL	Sure
2022-03-12 17:56:55	◣	dmalteseknight (~dmaltesek@user/dmalteseknight) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.4)
2022-03-12 17:56:55	Edu4rdSHL	!bail
2022-03-12 17:56:56	phrik	Looks like Edu4rdSHL is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-03-12 17:57:11	⚡ 	astralc pondering
2022-03-12 17:58:27	astralc	was it just kick or also ban?
2022-03-12 17:58:40	thurstylark	just kick
2022-03-12 17:58:48	DeepDayze	this ^
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2022-03-12 18:01:04	DeepDayze	jeez...
2022-03-12 18:01:13	astralc	Edu4rdSHL: bailing out like misconfigure initrc
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2022-03-12 18:02:39	DeepDayze	Some people just can't run Arch...
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2022-03-12 18:03:09	◣	mizu (~mizu@user/mizu) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-03-12 18:03:09	DeepDayze	Maybe powftw should go back to Ubuntu :^)
2022-03-12 18:03:33	astralc	some are following bad (YT) guides without understading the commands, or the way, or what it accomplish
2022-03-12 18:03:35	◥	upsala (~zcb@185.209.196.134) has joined #archlinux
2022-03-12 18:03:50	astralc	some are running manjaro and we should shame them
2022-03-12 18:04:28	Foxboron	astralc: Please don't shame people for running the distro they want....
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2022-03-12 18:04:36	phaise	I don't know about you, but my choice of linux distribution defines my worth as a person
2022-03-12 18:04:41	⚡ 	phaise lifts pinky finger
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2022-03-12 18:05:53	astralc	phaise: can you read IRC with that monocle?
2022-03-12 18:06:52	astralc	Foxboron: you are right. I will still shame people for mindlessly following online guides
2022-03-12 18:07:08	jmariondev	we all started somewhere 😄
2022-03-12 18:07:16	Foxboron	astralc: Don't shame people for anything....
2022-03-12 18:07:26	Foxboron	You offer them guidance and adviec
2022-03-12 18:07:28	Foxboron	advice*
2022-03-12 18:07:32	teraflops	^
2022-03-12 18:07:58	Khorne	Yes, harshly advise them to not use Manjaro or follow YT guides from 2012
2022-03-12 18:08:09	Foxboron	...
2022-03-12 18:08:16	◣	ivii (~ivan@user/ivii) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-03-12 18:08:29	Khorne	Strongly?
2022-03-12 18:08:42	jmariondev	insult the incorrect guide, not the user :P
2022-03-12 18:08:56	Khorne	jmariondev, fighting against windmills
2022-03-12 18:09:27	Foxboron	52
2022-03-12 18:09:44	Khorne	You have to explain the user *why* these guides are a terrible idea, otherwise the result is they come back tomorrow and say that they followed a guide from 2019 this time so all is good, isn't it?
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2022-03-12 18:10:24	jmariondev	i jest
2022-03-12 18:10:42	jmariondev	not even exaggerating archwiki is sometimes all you need
2022-03-12 18:10:50	jmariondev	and if it's out of date, just update!
2022-03-12 18:11:43	Foxboron	I wish smaller self-confined guides would be more common the wiki
2022-03-12 18:12:15	Earnest	This is what the tricks and tips subjections were ideal for
2022-03-12 18:12:23	Earnest	subsections*
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2022-03-12 18:12:37	Khorne	Hmyea, I don't see in most cases that a guide is that appropriate
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2022-03-12 18:13:06	Foxboron	Earnest: trips and tricks isn't ideal for indept examples, really.
2022-03-12 18:13:27	◣	ttkap (~ttkap@user/ttkap) ha salido (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2022-03-12 18:13:31	Earnest	Naturally I disagree
2022-03-12 18:13:47	astralc	sometime guide can fill the blanks between 2 articles, or mention important stuff that only matter in that scneario
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2022-03-12 18:13:51	Foxboron	Earnest: of course you do :p
2022-03-12 18:14:22	Earnest	Yes
2022-03-12 18:14:26	thurstylark	write a guide on its own page, and link to it in the relevant tips and tricks section
2022-03-12 18:14:33	⚡ 	thurstylark will both-sides EVERYTHING
2022-03-12 18:14:34	◣	zebrag (~chris@user/zebrag) ha salido (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2022-03-12 18:14:34	Khorne	Guess that can work, yea
2022-03-12 18:14:56	Earnest	thurstylark: That is how it works/should work
2022-03-12 18:15:20	victor47	I'm trying to give internet to a desktop computer via one of the network interfaces on another desktop (which has two interfaces in total). I've left the DHCP interface (with internet connection) alone without any changes and created a new connection via Connection Manager on the interface hooked up to the second desktop, and set it to "Shared to
2022-03-12 18:15:21	victor47	other computers" method in Network Manager connection editor. Here's the tricky part: I can resolve DNS names and send ping successfully, but when using curl or (seemingly) anything that tries to use TCP, it fails with connection refused. I started looking into iptables, but even if I set it to accept everything, I still get connection refused. I'm
2022-03-12 18:15:21	victor47	a bit at lost on how to troubleshoot this to find what's wrong, any ideas?
2022-03-12 18:16:02	◣	rcastillo (~rcastillo@201.164.3.135) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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2022-03-12 18:18:10	victor47	something that is a bit confusing for me, is running "ip a" shows two inet addresses for the interface on the computer I'm trying to get internet on (which is currently running a arch live usb, which I'm gonna install once I get internet working)
2022-03-12 18:19:25	phaise	victor47: Just to confirm, have you enabled ip forwarding? DNS and ping shouldn't work if not, but just making sure. 'sudo sysctl -a | grep forward'
2022-03-12 18:19:41	victor47	yup, triple-checked that :)  Thanks phaise
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2022-03-12 18:20:32	Earnest	Maybe finding out what is refusing the connection might help, such as traceroute
2022-03-12 18:20:50	Earnest	It is strange to me that icmp and dns would work but not tcp
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2022-03-12 18:22:11	victor47	Earnest, traceroute doesn't seem to be available on the arch live iso, but tracepath is, and the packets seems to go all the way
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2022-03-12 18:23:24	victor47	hm, actually, running tracepath for 8.8.8.8 seems to never hit an end (but don't know how tracepath is supposed to run), seems to never end and exists with "Too many hops" after 30 entities, but it does the same on the desktop with proper internet as the one without working tcp connections
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2022-03-12 18:27:09	phaise	Tracepath uses UDP instead of ICMP
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2022-03-12 18:29:06	victor47	phaise I see, thanks
2022-03-12 18:29:33	victor47	since local network is working, I scp'ed over the traceroute binary and seems to be working correctly as well, ends up at the right host, all the hosts in-between are responsive too
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2022-03-12 18:33:23	victor47	found a tool called tcptraceroute, and it shows only one hop with $IP [closed] so guessing tcp packets get nowhere
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2022-03-12 18:34:37	victor47	I don't know the details of the protocols, but I guess the difference is that TCP needs to establish a connection before it can be used, compared to UDP?
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2022-03-12 18:43:08	phaise	Yes, UDP is connectionless and unreliable, packets aren't retransmitted
2022-03-12 18:43:23	NetSysFire	i want to tell you an UDP joke but i am not sure you will get it
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2022-03-12 18:43:45	⚡ 	phaise grin
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2022-03-12 18:44:04	jmariondev	i want to tell you an UDP joke but it's so old the TTL expired
2022-03-12 18:44:07	⚡ 	astralc groan
2022-03-12 18:44:12	victor47	hmm, this thing is really driving me crazy. What could be going wrong then?
2022-03-12 18:44:37	NetSysFire	there is also #networking fwiw
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2022-03-12 18:44:53	phaise	victor47: Any firewalls on either machine?
2022-03-12 18:44:56	victor47	I was not aware, I'll ask there :)  Thanks a bunch NetSysFire
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2022-03-12 18:45:38	victor47	phaise: "host" (the one with two interfaces) have iptables, but even if I set it to allow everything I get the same results. The one I'm trying to get online is running arch live ISO currently so I don't think that has any firewall running (by default)
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2022-03-12 18:50:22	astralc	what happen if you disable iptables? still doesn't work?
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2022-03-12 18:51:18	victor47	yeah, disable as in "clear table and allow everything"? Doing that I end up with the same results, ICMP and UDP works, TCP does not
2022-03-12 18:51:23	jmariondev	`sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward` is 1 ?
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2022-03-12 18:51:49	victor47	jmariondev, yes, checked many times just in case I lost my sanity, and I haven't lost it yet (it is 1)
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2022-03-12 18:52:05	victor47	forwarding enables for .all and for each interface as well, just in case
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2022-03-12 18:53:35	victor47	starting to think there is something wrong with the motherboard, network interface itself or even the live usb, but then networking would be broken as a whole, not just one protocol...
2022-03-12 18:53:38	victor47	I guess at least
2022-03-12 18:53:39	jmariondev	sorry, i missed that phaise already confirmed that
2022-03-12 18:54:23	jmariondev	i don't know how to do it using networkmanager, but you could bridge both ethernet ports of the "sharing" pc and it will act as a switch
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2022-03-12 18:54:43	jmariondev	letting your "client" pc pick up DHCP normally from whatever is upstream
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2022-03-12 18:56:28	jmariondev	(setting up bridging is a good way to break your connection though, fair warning)
2022-03-12 18:56:28	victor47	jmariondev, hm, interesting, did not know this. Is that "Virtual Bond" or something like that (looking at the Virtual options when creating a new connection now)
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2022-03-12 18:57:32	jmariondev	bond isn't what you want, that's for using multiple physical links as a single logical link. IIRC networkmanager *can* create bridges, you'd then add both physical interfaces as "slaves" (the actual term fwiw)
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2022-03-12 18:59:11	victor47	yeah, I have two physical NICs on the desktop I want to share from. What you mentioned before, to bridge the two interfaces so client one (lacking internet) can interact directly with router, what is this called?
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2022-03-12 19:00:02	thurstylark	it's called a bridge
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2022-03-12 19:01:36	jmariondev	looking in nm-connection-editor there's an option called "bridge"
2022-03-12 19:01:53	thurstylark	yes. that
2022-03-12 19:03:38	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_bridge#With_NetworkManager
2022-03-12 19:03:40	phrik	Title: Network bridge - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-12 19:04:02	jmariondev	🔥 archwiki
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2022-03-12 19:05:17	victor47	ah, yeah, I took a look at that before but didn't get that to work at all
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2022-03-12 19:09:55	jmariondev	NM is likely adding a layer of NAT with the type of sharing you're doing now, bridging is functionally much simpler
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2022-03-12 19:12:24	victor47	so, got everything working after rubber-ducking a bit in #networking! Turns out, I'd be putting rules and stuff into iptables and trying to get things to work and then deleted everything when stuff got messy to begin from the beginning. HOWEVER, someone asked me for the output of iptables-save (instead of iptables -L), which showed stuff I thought
2022-03-12 19:12:25	victor47	was deleted, which turned out, wasn't! So clearning everything everything, got things to be working again
2022-03-12 19:12:42	victor47	thanks everyone for the help, firewall/iptables was the bandit yet again in this drama :)
2022-03-12 19:12:54	thurstylark	eyyy nicely done 
2022-03-12 19:12:56	thurstylark	!next
2022-03-12 19:12:56	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-03-12 19:12:58	thurstylark	:)
2022-03-12 19:13:28	victor47	haha
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2022-03-12 19:14:22	victor47	speaking about satisfying customers, Arch community is the fucking best, been a user for a couple of years, and just the Wiki is $$$$$ worth even if it's free, so helpful for everything Linux. And you people in here too, IRC FTW, and especially #archlinux FTW, so thank you for all the help you've given me over the years
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2022-03-12 19:33:34	amosbird	Hello! How can I change my cursor size (larger) for a 4k screen? I tried setting "Xcursor.size:   32" in ~/.Xresources and did xrdb -merge, however the cursor remains small
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2022-03-12 19:39:20	thurstylark	amosbird: doesn't `xrdb -merge` require a filename to be specified?
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2022-03-12 19:39:32	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/X_resources#Load_resource_file
2022-03-12 19:39:33	phrik	Title: X resources - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-03-12 20:00:54	tyler	Hey
2022-03-12 20:00:59	thurstylark	!welcome
2022-03-12 20:00:59	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-03-12 20:01:30	tyler	I was installing just now this whoogle-git AUR packages. just for try. 
2022-03-12 20:01:48	tyler	do i need to set something to launch it?
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2022-03-12 20:02:33	tyler	as bash command not found...
2022-03-12 20:03:06	thurstylark	tyler: check out the comments on the package page
2022-03-12 20:03:16	thurstylark	there's documentation linked in the pinned comment
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2022-03-12 20:05:22	tyler	thurstylark: Aham....okay
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2022-03-12 20:15:02	tyler	does not really help..
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2022-03-12 20:17:00	jmariondev	sounds like running whoogle is more complicated than "run a command"
2022-03-12 20:17:04	jmariondev	you probably want to use a systemd unit: https://github.com/benbusby/whoogle-search#systemd-configuration
2022-03-12 20:18:10	tyler	jmariondev: will have a look
2022-03-12 20:18:13	tyler	thanx
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2022-03-12 20:25:47	tyler	Failed to start whoogle.service: Unit whoogle.service has a bad unit file setting.
2022-03-12 20:25:48	tyler	See system logs and 'systemctl status whoogle.service' for details.
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2022-03-12 20:26:04	tyler	still not working. but getting closer....
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2022-03-12 20:32:45	Edu4rdSHL	tyler, systemd-analyze verify /usr/lib/systemd/system/whoogle.service
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2022-03-12 20:57:25	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-12 21:05:54	tyler	now is crying for the file
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2022-03-12 21:06:14	tyler	Failed to enable unit: Unit file whoogle.service does not exist.
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2022-03-12 21:06:55	jmariondev	`systemctl daemon-reload` first ?
2022-03-12 21:07:03	tyler	uh shit
2022-03-12 21:07:07	tyler	really
2022-03-12 21:07:09	tyler	sorry
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2022-03-12 21:08:06	jmariondev	that's only necessary once, it's possibly still looking for the file that's no longer there
2022-03-12 21:08:13	tyler	no. does not work.
2022-03-12 21:08:41	tyler	even if reload the daemon and restart the service
2022-03-12 21:08:58	jmariondev	does `stat /usr/lib/systemd/system/whoogle.service` also say file not found?
2022-03-12 21:09:01	tyler	looking for the file of whoogle.service
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2022-03-12 21:09:21	jmariondev	oh that doc led you astray
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2022-03-12 21:09:38	jmariondev	they should have told you to create the file in `/etc/systemd`...
2022-03-12 21:09:45	tyler	@bar(input):button1yes
2022-03-12 21:10:08	jmariondev	re-install the AUR package, then see if the file exists
2022-03-12 21:10:46	tyler	jmariondev: yes. /usr/lib/system/whoogle.service also not find it
2022-03-12 21:10:58	tyler	jmariondev: ok
2022-03-12 21:11:05	tyler	will try to reinstall AUR.
2022-03-12 21:11:18	tyler	but does it woth to install the -git version?
2022-03-12 21:11:24	jmariondev	either one works
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2022-03-12 21:11:35	tyler	or shall i stick with plain AUR?
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2022-03-12 21:11:45	tyler	jmariondev: okay then...
2022-03-12 21:11:45	jmariondev	You can see exactly what the package is doing in its PKGBUILD: https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=whoogle-git
2022-03-12 21:11:46	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-03-12 21:11:51	jmariondev	line 45 is installing the service unit
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2022-03-13 10:12:26	heatwave	Hello! I'm unable to store any credentials on VSCode and have to re-login everytime I start the app. I installed gnome-keyring and enabled 'secrets' in my .xinitrc but still no luck. Any ideas what I need to do?
2022-03-13 10:12:34	chir4gm	I am running Arch Linux on a Macbook pro 2016. Unfortunately, the sound doesn't work, and the patched drivers really suck.
2022-03-13 10:12:57	chir4gm	Is there any way to stream audio from my linux system to an iPhone that I also have available?
2022-03-13 10:13:16	jelle	bluetooth works?
2022-03-13 10:13:30	chir4gm	I don't think so
2022-03-13 10:13:32	chir4gm	I can try
2022-03-13 10:13:45	chir4gm	any other options?
2022-03-13 10:13:57	chir4gm	I can use wifi hotspot
2022-03-13 10:15:15	⚡ 	jelle looks https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux#audio-input--output
2022-03-13 10:15:59	chir4gm	I tried the patch (I have a macbook 13,1), but the audio was terrible
2022-03-13 10:16:04	⚡ 	jelle confused
2022-03-13 10:17:24	chir4gm	There was all kinds of popping, and cracking. I ultimately removed it as I was afraid it would damage my speakers.
2022-03-13 10:31:26	AiO	nextcloud is a beast. do you guys have a good work-around for the PHP 8.1 issues with some next cloud apps? i've been without calendars for quite a few weeks now. does not look to be close to a real solution from the nextcloud team.
2022-03-13 10:54:41	Lartza	AiO, Use PHP 8.0
2022-03-13 10:55:32	AiO	rollback, you mean?
2022-03-13 10:55:37	Lartza	No
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2022-03-13 11:15:09	AiO	by rollback i ment to say downgrade
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2022-03-13 11:15:53	AiO	maybe it's a mistake to do let occ upgrade apps... since i have the callendar app installed via pacman already.
2022-03-13 11:17:28	teraflops	that's why running nextcloud in docker is a good idea
2022-03-13 11:18:37	AiO	mm. i guess so
2022-03-13 11:19:08	AiO	it's a sad world :)
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2022-03-13 11:19:58	AiO	if only SyncML was a viable option these days. that would be so nice :)
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2022-03-13 11:33:07	Nemo9	hi, i want to build a custom archiso 
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2022-03-13 11:33:28	Nemo9	and a script that launches on boot
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2022-03-13 11:35:06	Nemo9	i followed the steps to add script option on efiboot
2022-03-13 11:35:20	Nemo9	and the path to my installer script but its not working
2022-03-13 11:35:35	grawity	AiO: Arch still supports running php8 and php7.4 side-by-side
2022-03-13 11:36:11	grawity	you can point one vhost to the current php-fpm, another to php-fpm7
2022-03-13 11:36:21	grawity	slightly more annoying with CLI tools like occ though
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2022-03-13 11:37:36	Nemo9	is there a way to have a custom startup script on both profiles releng and baseline
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2022-03-13 11:40:56	chir4gm	How do you run an unsigned module?
2022-03-13 11:41:00	chir4gm	How do you sign it?
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2022-03-13 11:53:12	AiO	grawity: hm. ok. could be a good middle-ground. i might give it a go. i would very much prefer real arch integration rather than docker stuff, if possible. i am already running a vm for the purpose of supplying the function of nextcloud. 
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2022-03-13 11:55:41	AiO	but then i suppose i should stick to using only the arch-packages for the handful of apps i use, and let them upgrade that way... makes sense
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2022-03-13 12:00:02	Namarrgon	chir4gm: you mean kernel modules?
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2022-03-13 12:02:46	Nemo9	I fixed the startup script
2022-03-13 12:02:55	Nemo9	now what i dont understand is
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2022-03-13 12:03:32	Nemo9	how do i make pacstrap command pacstrap everything thats installed in the live iso
2022-03-13 12:03:47	Nemo9	is it just pacstrap /mnt? 
2022-03-13 12:03:51	Namarrgon	the iso doesn't contain any packages that pacstrap could possibly install
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2022-03-13 12:04:30	Nemo9	humm but if i had a custom repo with all the packages
2022-03-13 12:04:38	Nemo9	i just want everything offline
2022-03-13 12:04:41	Namarrgon	where is that repo?
2022-03-13 12:04:47	Nemo9	i dont want it to download
2022-03-13 12:04:56	Nemo9	i put that repo in /mnt/repo
2022-03-13 12:04:58	Namarrgon	modify the mirrorlist to point at that repo
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2022-03-13 12:05:24	Nemo9	ouhh
2022-03-13 12:05:46	Namarrgon	be careful though as that mirrorlist will be copied to the new system by default
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2022-03-13 12:06:12	Nemo9	should i make it the first entry in the list
2022-03-13 12:06:31	Namarrgon	you probably want it to be the only entry
2022-03-13 12:06:42	Nemo9	i already put [custom repo] in pacman.conf 
2022-03-13 12:06:59	Nemo9	is it necessary to change mirrorlists
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2022-03-13 12:07:39	Namarrgon	when pacman.conf is loaded all the "Include" entries will be inlined into pacman.conf
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2022-03-13 12:08:26	Namarrgon	when pacman now syncs e.g. [core] then it will query the first "mirror", if that isn't your custom, local, repo then everything after that will fail, too
2022-03-13 12:08:29	Nemo9	okay i think i understand
2022-03-13 12:08:46	Nemo9	so if i had custom repo before the includes
2022-03-13 12:08:56	Nemo9	it will fetch from it first
2022-03-13 12:09:25	Namarrgon	you can edit pacman.conf and add your custom repo but editing mirrorlist is much simpler
2022-03-13 12:09:44	Nemo9	okayy i will try both
2022-03-13 12:09:57	Nemo9	Namarrgon: Thanks so much!
2022-03-13 12:10:44	Nemo9	hold on theres no mirror list file in archiso
2022-03-13 12:10:50	Nemo9	do i have to create one
2022-03-13 12:11:15	Namarrgon	i think one of the services generates it during boot
2022-03-13 12:11:27	Namarrgon	kill it off and provide your own static list
2022-03-13 12:11:53	Nemo9	yeah that hook on pacman.d
2022-03-13 12:12:11	Nemo9	Namarrgon: okay will do that
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2022-03-13 12:34:04	tylee	hi! what's the fastest selfhosted cloud storage that I can install from repos/AUR? i found seafile that is quite fast but also it encrypts storage so I won't get access to files directly. Nextcloud is slow and overloaded with useless options. i use sftp myself but my family is not tech-friendly, that's because i wrote "cloud storage" - something with crossplatform normie clients and uploading
2022-03-13 12:34:07	tylee	triggers that will be hosted on my server
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2022-03-13 12:35:06	tylee	I already read all that "application lists" from wiki and github but i really need your personal opinion.
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2022-03-13 12:40:07	cdown	what are your requirements for "self hosted cloud storage"? that seems like a contradiction since if it's personal, it's not cloud storage
2022-03-13 12:40:54	cdown	personally i just have a directory exported as a CIFS share
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2022-03-13 12:41:53	cdown	that should work with any client and basically any operating system. i use it just fine on my phone, my wife's windows installation, and using `mount -t cifs`.
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2022-03-13 12:47:15	teraflops	if by cloud it implies accessing from the internet you'd have to add an additional security layer, I do not think sharing cifs over internet is a good idea, unless you use a vpn
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2022-03-13 12:48:02	cdown	for sure. it'd be good to get clarity on what the specifications are
2022-03-13 12:48:10	teraflops	yeah
2022-03-13 12:48:13	cdown	but in general, sharing stuff from your home lan to the internet is asking for trouble.
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2022-03-13 12:48:42	teraflops	I just do not open anything, I have to use vpn
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2022-03-13 12:49:00	cdown	yeah, exactly, but that may not fulfil the "not tech-friendly" point made
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2022-03-13 13:36:39	ℹ 	cdown_ es conocido ahora como cdown
2022-03-13 13:37:03	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-03-13 13:38:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-03-13 13:38:04	ℹ 	Tema establecido por phrik (~phrik@phrik.archlinux.org) el dom, 06 feb 2022 22:28:56
2022-03-13 13:38:04	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1486 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1485 normals)
2022-03-13 13:38:05	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-03-13 13:38:12	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-03-13 13:38:12	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-13 13:41:52	CyberShadow	I created a systemd user target unit, but I can't start it because systemd thinks it's masked. It's not masked, and systemctl unmask does nothing. Can't see anything relevant in the journal. What could it be?
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2022-03-13 13:43:11	Earnest	That's quite something, you'd think unmask would have a post-condition which guarantees that it is, in fact, unmasked according to the rest of the tools
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2022-03-13 13:44:23	CyberShadow	Should maybe also mention it's a template unit (and I can't start the instantiation because it thinks the entire file is masked, according to list-unit-files)
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2022-03-13 13:49:35	Scimmia	!give CyberShadow errors
2022-03-13 13:49:35	phrik	CyberShadow: Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
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2022-03-13 13:49:52	CyberShadow	Really?
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2022-03-13 13:50:05	ℹ 	farn_ es conocido ahora como farn
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2022-03-13 13:50:50	CyberShadow	Scimmia: There are no errors, unless you want the exact wording of systemd refusing to start a service because it thinks it's masked.
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2022-03-13 13:54:43	CyberShadow	Got it. The file must be non-empty. (It did not need to contain any definitions.)
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2022-03-13 15:28:40	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-03-13 15:28:40	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1483 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1482 normals)
2022-03-13 15:28:41	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-13 15:30:46	ℹ 	Rhomeo es conocido ahora como Rhomeo_
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2022-03-13 15:31:41	ℹ 	Rhomeo_ es conocido ahora como Rhome0
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2022-03-13 16:03:26	ℹ 	indux1 es conocido ahora como indux
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2022-03-13 16:20:57	Nemo9	hi, question: can i pacstrap everything a once or is there a limit?
2022-03-13 16:20:58	ℹ 	felixonmars_ es conocido ahora como felixonmars
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2022-03-13 16:21:43	Nemo9	im looping through a packages list but its updating after each iteration
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2022-03-13 16:24:09	Namarrgon	Nemo9: you can provide all the packags in one call
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2022-03-13 16:24:35	Namarrgon	unless the list exceeds ARG_MAX
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2022-03-13 16:25:40	Nemo9	Namarrgon: Okay, also when i added custom repo, the default hook that updates keyrings is not working should i just populate them in my installer script
2022-03-13 16:25:56	Namarrgon	we never talked about keyrings
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2022-03-13 16:27:05	Namarrgon	are you actually trying to do an offline install or to just provide one additional custom repo?
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2022-03-13 16:30:32	Nemo9	yeah im creating a custom archiso that can offline install
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2022-03-13 16:32:02	Namarrgon	how did you create the offline repo?
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2022-03-13 16:32:25	Nemo9	I followed the steps from the wiki
2022-03-13 16:32:37	Nemo9	using pacman -Syw --cachedir ....
2022-03-13 16:32:56	Nemo9	then adding the path to pacman.conf 
2022-03-13 16:33:24	Nemo9	airootfs/etc/pacman.conf 
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2022-03-13 16:37:31	Namarrgon	why are you messing around with a keyring?
2022-03-13 16:38:05	Nemo9	Namarrgon: Because when i edited pacman.conf to add the custom repo
2022-03-13 16:38:25	Nemo9	i think that the hook that initializes the keyrings is not working
2022-03-13 16:38:49	Namarrgon	does your custom repo not contain archlinux-keyring?
2022-03-13 16:39:30	Nemo9	Namarrgon: yeah it does
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2022-03-13 16:40:16	Namarrgon	which "keyring hook" are we talking about?
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2022-03-13 16:41:26	Nemo9	its located in airootfs/etc/systemd/pacman.d/pacman-init.service
2022-03-13 16:41:40	Namarrgon	that is a service, not a hook
2022-03-13 16:41:47	Nemo9	ouh yeah
2022-03-13 16:41:55	Namarrgon	we talked about removing it if you intend to provide your own mirrorlist
2022-03-13 16:42:11	Nemo9	but i didnt provide a mirrorlist
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2022-03-13 16:43:08	Nemo9	if remove it should i add the populate command to my install script
2022-03-13 16:43:19	Nemo9	if i *
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2022-03-13 16:45:46	Namarrgon	wait, you mean etc/systemd/system/pacman-init.service =
2022-03-13 16:45:49	Namarrgon	?
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2022-03-13 16:45:56	Namarrgon	you shouldn't touch that one
2022-03-13 16:46:20	Nemo9	yeahh okay
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2022-03-13 16:46:40	Namarrgon	it also has nothing to do with the mirrors or repos, if it fails then you messed up something else
2022-03-13 16:47:12	Nemo9	okay so thats not it
2022-03-13 16:47:48	Nemo9	i will try puting the init and populate commands on my script
2022-03-13 16:47:59	Nemo9	it just takes too much time to build the iso
2022-03-13 16:48:01	Namarrgon	don't mess around with the keyring
2022-03-13 16:48:27	Namarrgon	this shouldn't fail just because you replaced the mirror URL
2022-03-13 16:48:46	Namarrgon	if it does then your mirror is poorly set up or contains unofficial packages
2022-03-13 16:49:14	Nemo9	Namarrgon: ok, but on first boot when it starts pacstraping it says validate keys or something like that
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2022-03-13 16:51:47	Namarrgon	yes, that should work just fine even if you replaced the mirrorlist
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2022-03-13 16:55:59	Nemo9	Namarrgon: okayy cool, one other question
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2022-03-13 16:56:24	Nemo9	Namarrgon: Im trying to boot directly executing my install script
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2022-03-13 16:56:59	Nemo9	i added script option in efiboot entries linking to it
2022-03-13 16:57:14	Nemo9	also added permissions on profiledef
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2022-03-13 16:57:38	Nemo9	it worked for some time but when i changed the shell to bash instead of zsh
2022-03-13 16:57:59	Nemo9	its not working even when i restored to zsh
2022-03-13 16:58:16	Namarrgon	post your changes
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2022-03-13 16:58:49	Nemo9	root:x:0:0:root:/root:/usr/bin/zsh
2022-03-13 16:59:05	Nemo9	to this root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
2022-03-13 16:59:14	Nemo9	on passwd file
2022-03-13 16:59:34	Nemo9	and motd removed and then i copied it back from releng profile
2022-03-13 16:59:47	Nemo9	this is it i think
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2022-03-13 17:00:28	Nemo9	ouh and i created .bashrc and added .install.sh 
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2022-03-13 17:01:50	Nemo9	this is the diff:
2022-03-13 17:01:58	Nemo9	@@ -0,0 +1,5 @@
2022-03-13 17:01:58	Nemo9	+#
2022-03-13 17:01:58	Nemo9	+# ~/.bashrc
2022-03-13 17:01:58	Nemo9	+#
2022-03-13 17:02:01	Nemo9	+
2022-03-13 17:02:02	Namarrgon	use a paste service
2022-03-13 17:02:03	Nemo9	+[[ -f .install.sh ]] && ./.install.sh
2022-03-13 17:02:18	Nemo9	Namarrgon: how?
2022-03-13 17:02:23	Namarrgon	!ix
2022-03-13 17:02:24	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
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2022-03-13 17:02:46	Nemo9	!ix
2022-03-13 17:02:46	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
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2022-03-13 17:05:42	Nemo9	http://ix.io/3S87
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2022-03-13 17:07:57	Nemo9	this is the whole diff: http://ix.io/8OI
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2022-03-13 17:08:53	Namarrgon	the last one didn't work
2022-03-13 17:09:25	Namarrgon	why is the script a dotfile?
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2022-03-13 17:10:45	Nemo9	Namarrgon: why could that be a problem??
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2022-03-13 17:12:51	Namarrgon	it isn't, i'm just curious why you'd need to hide it
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2022-03-13 17:14:21	Nemo9	I dont know lol
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2022-03-13 17:21:46	Nemo9	also what if i just copy my script to /tmp/startup_script
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2022-03-13 18:27:40	CarloWood	If you stop a program that runs in the foreground with ^Z - how can you cause it to continue to run in the background?
2022-03-13 18:28:08	CarloWood	OH just 'bg'
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2022-03-14 15:37:50	powftw	I've some config files inside ~/.config and thinking about backing upto GitHub. I could init a git repo inside ~/.config and add the folders to .gitignore if i don't want. Isn't this good? Those symlink tools seem to be annoying
2022-03-14 15:39:15	mxbl	read this:
2022-03-14 15:39:17	mxbl	https://drewdevault.com/2019/12/30/dotfiles.html
2022-03-14 15:39:18	phrik	Title: Managing my dotfiles as a git repository (at drewdevault.com)
2022-03-14 15:39:23	lambda	powftw: I just do the symlinks without any tools
2022-03-14 15:39:32	mxbl	i used to do that too
2022-03-14 15:39:38	mxbl	got too annoying to manage symlinks
2022-03-14 15:40:31	lambda	and while most things have stopped putting their crap straight in your home directory, there are still some non-.config things you might want to add
2022-03-14 15:40:48	lambda	and having your ~ be a git repo is somewhat annoying in my experience
2022-03-14 15:40:57	BrainDamage	git --git-dir="${XDG_DATA_HOME:-$HOME/.local/share}/dotfiles" --work-tree="${HOME}"
2022-03-14 15:41:12	jelle	there are dedicated tools too for this :)
2022-03-14 15:41:15	BrainDamage	this allows you to have home not be a git repo, and still commit things to it
2022-03-14 15:41:26	lambda	BrainDamage: oh yeah, the custom git alias is something I also did for a while
2022-03-14 15:42:00	BrainDamage	symlinks in my experience just increase the mess
2022-03-14 15:42:32	mxbl	jelle: yeah but they either use symlinks or git too
2022-03-14 15:42:38	stutz	I used (still use actually) the worktree=~ alias and its rather annoying so I move it all back to stow
2022-03-14 15:42:39	cedb	oh are we solving the how to put dotfiles under git thing?
2022-03-14 15:42:43	cedb	i vote for symlinks
2022-03-14 15:43:00	mxbl	read the blog post i linked
2022-03-14 15:44:02	cedb	yeah i went by reverse gitignore for a while
2022-03-14 15:44:43	cedb	but git gets messier faster than symlinks, of course that sort of depends on the proportion of your home you wanna track
2022-03-14 15:44:48	stutz	the main pain point with that is ignoring your entire home and now you have to remember what to add and thats just stupid. stow makes it super easy to manage dotfiles and keeps them well organized
2022-03-14 15:45:05	cedb	the worktree looks neat
2022-03-14 15:45:22	stutz	thats what I use right now and its not neat cos read above
2022-03-14 15:45:53	cedb	oh sorry i was in gtk/gnome hell for a while
2022-03-14 15:47:13	cedb	yeah stow looks neat but theres always edge cases 
2022-03-14 15:47:51	Khorne	stow bestie
2022-03-14 15:47:52	cedb	for me bottom line is  i feel like if you care enough about a dotfile to version control it a symlink, wether for a whole file or a directory is not a big price to pay
2022-03-14 15:47:56	stutz	nothings perfect of course but with a bit of bash you can work around a lot of those edge cases
2022-03-14 15:48:34	cedb	seems a bit yak shavy to me heh but wtv works i guess
2022-03-14 15:49:36	stutz	not really but I guess this is all just personal preference
2022-03-14 16:05:31	jelle	hmm do I even need pipewire-pulse with pipewire?
2022-03-14 16:07:52	Scimmia	depends, do you need sound from things that use pulse?
2022-03-14 16:09:48	jelle	Scimmia: that I don't know :)
2022-03-14 16:10:33	Scimmia	many/most things are fine with alsa, but there are some things that require pulse. I couldn't list them, though
2022-03-14 16:11:17	Scimmia	I know there was a whole big thing when firefox was dropping alsa and requiring pulse, but I don't know where that all ended up
2022-03-14 16:13:58	kib	yt-dlp --no-warnings -J --flat-playlist --sub-format ass/srt/best --format best --all-subs --no-playlist -- "https://youtu.be/o3RnYlBfaSo"
2022-03-14 16:14:05	kib	does this command indefinitely hang for anyone else?
2022-03-14 16:14:45	kib	I was in #mpv and they told me to exec this when mpv URL would indefinitely hang
2022-03-14 16:15:12	ds	kib: works for me, returns a ton of json
2022-03-14 16:15:14	ds	!paste
2022-03-14 16:15:15	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-03-14 16:15:26	kib	ds yes thats expected behaviour
2022-03-14 16:18:46	kib	adding --force-ipv4 to yt-dlp solves the issue, apparently yt-dlp tries to use ipv6 first and just waits and waits
2022-03-14 16:18:50	kib	at least for me
2022-03-14 16:19:22	ds	that could make sense, my ISP doesn't support ip6 so it only has one option
2022-03-14 16:20:44	kib	mine is supposed to give me an ip6 address but it doesn't which is very very weird
2022-03-14 16:32:43	kitzman	Hmm it s been a while since I arched. To chose it as it never gave me headaches
2022-03-14 16:32:59	kitzman	I chose*
2022-03-14 16:33:55	kitzman	So now I set it up in a VM at work, and Im trying to get sway to run, but it keeps complaining about egl and video stuff. Tried both virtio-vga, virtio-gpu-pci
2022-03-14 16:34:20	kib	yeah you need to install spice drivers for sway to work
2022-03-14 16:34:28	kib	wayland support is typically wonky at best
2022-03-14 16:35:40	kib	kitzman iirc https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/QEMU/Guest_graphics_acceleration is how i got sway to work , and some googling for random issues
2022-03-14 16:35:41	phrik	Title: QEMU/Guest graphics acceleration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-14 16:37:32	kitzman	Weeee qxl-vga works. Much appreciated
2022-03-14 17:06:48	powftw	i've e keybind which does `xset dpms force off` which will turn my display off. but i have seen many times that it's suddenly waking up after dim. i thought it is i3lock bug . but this is something else..
2022-03-14 17:21:03	weltio	what creates /boot/vmlinuz-linux?
2022-03-14 17:21:10	weltio	its no part of any package
2022-03-14 17:21:41	Scimmia	it's in the linux package, it gets moved there by a post transaction hook
2022-03-14 17:23:05	weltio	Scimmia: weird, it does not happen
2022-03-14 17:23:41	Scimmia	weltio: using mkinicpio, dracut, or booster?
2022-03-14 17:23:46	weltio	Scimmia: dracut
2022-03-14 17:23:59	weltio	it happens though if i used mkinitpcio
2022-03-14 17:24:08	Scimmia	check the wiki page, the dracut hook may not be complete
2022-03-14 17:25:11	weltio	Scimmia: i see - install is hidden in the hooks
2022-03-14 17:26:56	weltio	man, that definiteley should be mentioned somewhere more obvious
2022-03-14 17:27:00	weltio	thanks agains
2022-03-14 17:33:44	susi	weltio: /usr/share/libalpm/hooks/90-mkinitcpio-install.hook has Exec=/usr/share/libalpm/scripts/mkinitcpio-install which hass `install -Dm644 "${line}" "/boot/vmlinuz-${pkgbase}"`
2022-03-14 17:49:10	Betal	firefox isn't following the gtk dark/light theme, but firefox-developer-edition is (old version number too)
2022-03-14 17:50:36	susi	I manually set ui.systemUsesDarkTheme to 1 to make FF realize I'm using dark theme
2022-03-14 17:50:59	Betal	if I create a new profile, firefox follows dark/light theme
2022-03-14 17:53:33	Betal	susi: thanks, seems like this flag don't allow firefox to follow the gtk theme, added it to new profile and it stopped working
2022-03-14 17:54:51	Betal	susi: removing the flag in about:config 'fixed' it :D
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2022-03-14 18:32:17	powftw	but when display times out after one minute on its own, there is no issue. it wakes up suddenly when i use the keybind
2022-03-14 18:32:33	powftw	also, it happens 7/10 times
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2022-03-15 08:26:29	dav1d	I've been having issues with missing locales since a recent update: https://gist.github.com/Dav1dde/b4cb4601d8d340d30b536570de1e5db7 - any ideas where I am missing something?
2022-03-15 08:28:38	dav1d	my /etc/locale.conf http://sprunge.us/8eA6v6
2022-03-15 08:29:19	BrainDamage	paste the output of locale
2022-03-15 08:29:33	BrainDamage	something is overriding the config
2022-03-15 08:29:56	dav1d	BrainDamage, http://sprunge.us/Ohxylp - maybe KDE?
2022-03-15 08:33:08	BrainDamage	likely the display manager
2022-03-15 08:33:29	BrainDamage	try in pure tty and see if the command yields the same result
2022-03-15 08:34:49	dav1d	BrainDamage, from tty http://sprunge.us/Lxh5je
2022-03-15 08:35:11	dav1d	same output but no error
2022-03-15 08:36:33	thurstylark	that doesn't look the same to me...
2022-03-15 08:37:22	dav1d	oh yeah it doesn't
2022-03-15 08:39:40	dav1d	Ah thanks, that made me double check the KDE settings, which is setting the locales to en_DE, that locale doesn't exist
2022-03-15 08:39:53	dav1d	localedef for en_DE fixes the problem
2022-03-15 09:16:50	smirky	Hi all! Anyone having issues with Firefox while playing videos? I didn't have this yesterday and I can't seem to narrow it down... I get these messages in dmesg (flooding):
2022-03-15 09:16:50	smirky	[40655.440686] MediaPD~oder #1[121127]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fa72836b99d sp 00007fa70be99a40 error 4 in libc.so.6[7fa72825b000+176000]
2022-03-15 09:21:50	thurstylark	all good here. been playing yt videos nearly constantly since ff updated.
2022-03-15 09:22:16	thurstylark	just to check the simple things: Fully updated? any aur packages need rebuilding?
2022-03-15 09:29:51	smirky	thurstylark: I don't use any aur packages connected to firefox
2022-03-15 09:45:44	smirky	Switching "media.ffmpeg.vaapi.enabled" from "true" to "false" seems to fix my problem.
2022-03-15 09:45:48	smirky	The default is false...
2022-03-15 10:02:50	mkoskar	smirky: that disables hwdec tho, try setting "export MOZ_DISABLE_RDD_SANDBOX=1" if that makes any difference, apparently that's needed workaround for hwdec in recent firefox anyway
2022-03-15 10:06:50	bryan	I'm having issues with PGP keys, I was able to pacstrap packages onto a fresh install, but after using arch-chroot or booting I get errors about invalid/corrupted packages invalid pgp signature
2022-03-15 10:07:09	bryan	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Cannot_import_keys I've done everything on here, cept for the archlinux-keyring thing because I can't use pacman
2022-03-15 10:07:10	phrik	Title: pacman/Package signing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-15 10:07:57	thurstylark	bryan: does `pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring` work?
2022-03-15 10:09:16	bryan	no, after retreiving it it immediately complains that eworm@archlinux.org is unknown trust
2022-03-15 10:09:47	bryan	I've also already tried clearing out the cache directory etc, but doesn't make a difference
2022-03-15 10:11:47	thurstylark	what were your results for the suggestions in this section? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Signature_is_unknown_trust
2022-03-15 10:11:48	phrik	Title: pacman/Package signing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-15 10:24:33	bryan	one sec, lemme check
2022-03-15 10:27:47	bryan	the refresh keys optino doesn't work, but I just get error after error it can't retrevive the key
2022-03-15 10:27:50	bryan	'no data'
2022-03-15 10:28:12	bryan	error retriving 'a' via WKD: Network Error
2022-03-15 10:28:32	jelle	we need full log output in a pastebin to debug this...
2022-03-15 10:28:55	jelle	WKD is expected to fail for some email addresses
2022-03-15 10:29:46	susi	bryan: as jelle said, those "no data" errors from wkd are most likely expected and ok
2022-03-15 10:30:17	bryan	I'll let it run then and see
2022-03-15 10:30:26	bryan	I can post the log but tha't just what I see for every key that comes by
2022-03-15 10:30:40	bryan	it's just key X', information about it, and then a network error
2022-03-15 10:30:48	bryan	happens for new packages I try to get as well
2022-03-15 10:40:42	bryan	refreshing keys made no difference
2022-03-15 10:51:16	smirky	mkoskar: I will try that, thanks. Can you please give me some context about this? An URL perhaps?
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2022-03-15 11:21:55	OneDev	hi
2022-03-15 11:22:01	thurstylark	!welcome
2022-03-15 11:22:02	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-03-15 11:22:27	OneDev	so anyone else have the issues with Gnome Network UI?
2022-03-15 11:22:44	OneDev	I started using the iwd for connecting and it is annoying.
2022-03-15 11:23:44	MrElendig	you mean that you are using iwd as the backend for NetworkManager?
2022-03-15 11:23:54	MrElendig	or that you are using iwd instead of NetworkManager?
2022-03-15 11:24:44	OneDev	I just installed it as it was annoying to everytime restart NetworkManager
2022-03-15 11:24:50	MrElendig	wat
2022-03-15 11:24:51	OneDev	So I use it from terminal
2022-03-15 11:25:16	MrElendig	doesn't answer the question, also why would you have to restart NetworkManager?
2022-03-15 11:25:32	OneDev	becauuse it doesnt work. 
2022-03-15 11:25:51	OneDev	I was writing here about that. I have some permission problem to connect from gnome panel
2022-03-15 11:26:08	AlexC	o_O
2022-03-15 11:26:32	MrElendig	I would have fixed the actual problem instead
2022-03-15 11:26:46	AlexC	but we don't know the actual problem
2022-03-15 11:27:02	MrElendig	and so I take it that you disabled NetworkManager and are now using only iwd instead? If so, gnome doesn't support that so its network dialog won't do anything
2022-03-15 11:27:19	AlexC	possible
2022-03-15 11:27:40	cedb	OneDev: you mentionned three different network things: the gnome frontend, nm and iwd, like what is your actual problem ?
2022-03-15 11:27:49	AlexC	roll with networkmanager, remove iwd enable nm, done
2022-03-15 11:27:52	thurstylark	if you're wanting solutions to any of this, you're going to have to spell them out and avoid assuming anyone knows what you're talking about
2022-03-15 11:28:04	OneDev	no I have not disabled NetworkManager
2022-03-15 11:28:24	OneDev	I can paste you the log 
2022-03-15 11:28:29	AlexC	!paste
2022-03-15 11:28:29	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-03-15 11:30:36	cedb	this might seem stupid but im installing a gentoo vm with qemu, do i need the firmware packages within the vm?
2022-03-15 11:30:52	OneDev	main error is 
2022-03-15 11:30:55	OneDev	Mar 15 11:30:22 archlinux audit[1521350]: USYS_CONFIG pid=1521350 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 msg='op=connection-add-activate pid=1475482 uid=1000 result=fail exe="/usr/bin/NetworkManager" hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=failed'
2022-03-15 11:30:55	OneDev	Mar 15 11:30:22 archlinux NetworkManager[1521350]: <info>  [1647340222.1107] audit: op="connection-add-activate" pid=1475482 uid=1000 result="fail" reason="Not authorized to control networking."
2022-03-15 11:31:14	cedb	OneDev: paste ...
2022-03-15 11:31:16	thurstylark	cedb: firmware packages for what hardware?
2022-03-15 11:31:21	AlexC	did you put your user in the network group?
2022-03-15 11:32:12	MrElendig	lacking polkit I suspect
2022-03-15 11:32:15	OneDev	network group?
2022-03-15 11:32:21	AlexC	yes, network group
2022-03-15 11:32:23	MrElendig	no need for adding the user to any group
2022-03-15 11:32:40	AlexC	no need?
2022-03-15 11:32:44	AlexC	hm new information
2022-03-15 11:32:59	MrElendig	that group have never been required
2022-03-15 11:33:13	OneDev	network❌90: 
2022-03-15 11:33:24	OneDev	yeap I was never explicitely adding to the group. 
2022-03-15 11:33:24	MrElendig	OneDev: pacman -Q polkit
2022-03-15 11:33:35	AlexC	maybe I picked up somewhere else, but I always put myself into the network group
2022-03-15 11:33:36	AlexC	:D
2022-03-15 11:33:37	cedb	thurstylark: emerge has some big package for a bunch of firmware: sys-kernel/linux-firmware, it looks like it includes graphics and networking stuff, it's hard to figure out
2022-03-15 11:33:59	OneDev	polkit-consolekit 0.118-1
2022-03-15 11:34:02	MrElendig	either polkit is missing, your session is broken, or you have a custom polkit rule
2022-03-15 11:34:17	MrElendig	is this actually archlinux?
2022-03-15 11:34:36	MrElendig	that sounds like antix or whatever it is called.....
2022-03-15 11:34:40	OneDev	I was checking when first time happened I didnt saw any custom rules
2022-03-15 11:34:47	OneDev	Yes its archlinux
2022-03-15 11:34:57	OneDev	installation old around 3 years
2022-03-15 11:34:58	Khorne	Considering arch doesn't ship that package..
2022-03-15 11:35:01	MrElendig	cat /proc/1/comm
2022-03-15 11:35:24	MrElendig	considering that it doesn't work with systemd
2022-03-15 11:35:25	OneDev	systemd
2022-03-15 11:35:32	MrElendig	remove it and install polkit
2022-03-15 11:35:34	OneDev	ok
2022-03-15 11:35:39	MrElendig	did you use some horrible gui installer?=
2022-03-15 11:36:03	MrElendig	cat /etc/*release
2022-03-15 11:36:13	cedb	thurstylark: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Linux_firmware#Searching_for_loaded_firmware
2022-03-15 11:36:15	phrik	Title: Linux firmware - Gentoo Wiki (at wiki.gentoo.org)
2022-03-15 11:36:17	MrElendig	probably more things messed up than just the polkit package too
2022-03-15 11:36:27	MrElendig	arch have not used consolekit for a decade
2022-03-15 11:36:28	cedb	this is getting off topic but the host is arch :P
2022-03-15 11:37:30	AlexC	hm
2022-03-15 11:37:33	thurstylark	cedb: if your guest isn't dealing with any actual hardware, I doubt that you'll need to load firmware onto hardware to make hardware usable
2022-03-15 11:37:37	OneDev	I think something in AUR installed the package.
2022-03-15 11:37:38	AlexC	paru had a 502 error on me now
2022-03-15 11:37:41	AlexC	strange
2022-03-15 11:37:43	OneDev	and replaced the original
2022-03-15 11:37:46	Throgkt	Hiya
2022-03-15 11:37:56	Throgkt	AUR seems down indeed
2022-03-15 11:38:01	AlexC	ye
2022-03-15 11:38:02	cedb	good
2022-03-15 11:38:08	AlexC	aur is down for sure
2022-03-15 11:38:09	Khorne	Finally
2022-03-15 11:38:14	cedb	we did it!
2022-03-15 11:38:21	AlexC	who DDoS-ed down?
2022-03-15 11:38:24	AlexC	:P
2022-03-15 11:38:52	jelle	well ssh works fine :)
2022-03-15 11:38:56	mkoskar	smirky: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Firefox#Hardware_video_acceleration see "Note: As of Firefox 98 ..." and then there's bugzilla link at the end, idk whether it's connected to your issue but I was just troubleshoot yesterday why my FF won't do hwdec so that's why I mentioned it, note there some security implications (they say) with setting of that env variable
2022-03-15 11:38:57	phrik	Title: Firefox - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-15 11:39:04	OneDev	https://dpaste.org/87EY
2022-03-15 11:39:07	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oZUc.txt
2022-03-15 11:39:07	phrik	Title: dpaste/87EY (Plain Text) (at dpaste.org)
2022-03-15 11:39:28	mkoskar	*troubleshooting
2022-03-15 11:39:31	AlexC	true, server is on
2022-03-15 11:40:58	AlexC	gib mi aur back :(
2022-03-15 11:41:04	thurstylark	back for me
2022-03-15 11:41:10	MrElendig	or you just used an aur helper and pressed enter instead of actually reading
2022-03-15 11:41:24	AlexC	nop, 502 error, bad gateway
2022-03-15 11:42:09	thurstylark	well, I got it to load once :P
2022-03-15 11:42:17	Khorne	Repeat it a few more times, maybe that solves it
2022-03-15 11:42:25	AlexC	maybe manjaro flooding the AUR with pamac
2022-03-15 11:42:29	jelle	yes, keep loading it...
2022-03-15 11:42:30	AlexC	:DDDDDDD
2022-03-15 11:42:39	OneDev	MrElendig,  https://dpaste.org/sMye 
2022-03-15 11:42:40	jelle	thurstylark: no it does not load
2022-03-15 11:42:42	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oZUA.txt
2022-03-15 11:42:42	phrik	Title: dpaste/sMye (Plain Text) (at dpaste.org)
2022-03-15 11:43:03	OneDev	so I cant still configure the new connection mentioning the IWD now
2022-03-15 11:43:22	OneDev	I removed IWD I might have kept some configuration. 
2022-03-15 11:43:34	thurstylark	well, it didn't, then it did once, and now it's not again :P
2022-03-15 11:43:44	sunyibo	blueman-manager keeps sending desktop notifications on sway. I have to escape them manually one by one. How can I get rid of them or have them go away automatically?
2022-03-15 11:43:47	MrElendig	disable iwd, enable NetworkManager and reboot
2022-03-15 11:44:01	MrElendig	might want to delete any iwd configs too
2022-03-15 11:44:15	⚡ 	thurstylark puts hands in lap to patiently wait for the grown-ups to fix things
2022-03-15 11:44:17	MrElendig	if you have iwd enabled as the backend for nm, try reverting that too
2022-03-15 11:44:36	OneDev	so I have setup the 
2022-03-15 11:44:37	OneDev	[device]
2022-03-15 11:44:37	OneDev	wifi.backend=iwd
2022-03-15 11:44:37	jelle	some smart ass seems to be polling git
2022-03-15 11:44:48	thurstylark	oh jeez
2022-03-15 11:44:50	OneDev	ca it work with it if I install iwd or to just uninstall it
2022-03-15 11:44:58	MrElendig	just comment out that line
2022-03-15 11:45:05	MrElendig	and do reboot
2022-03-15 11:45:08	jelle	ohno, just mirrorying the whole aur
2022-03-15 11:45:29	MrElendig	then make a new connection profile and it should work
2022-03-15 11:45:34	Khorne	jelle, backup*
2022-03-15 11:46:27	cedb	i cant even load the aur http page, how would git full cloning everything affect that?
2022-03-15 11:46:54	MrElendig	OneDev: make a new connection profile if it still complains
2022-03-15 11:47:16	jelle	cedb: how would it indeed
2022-03-15 11:47:36	MrElendig	cedb: you mean you git cloned the entire aur?
2022-03-15 11:47:47	cedb	no someone said that earlier
2022-03-15 11:47:54	cedb	but i guess the irony went over my head
2022-03-15 11:47:57	⚡ 	cedb has bad insomnia
2022-03-15 11:48:07	bryan	managed to fix it by reinstalling the archlinux-keyring, just had to boot from live usb and pacstrap it on
2022-03-15 11:48:25	ggorg	hi, the aur is down right?
2022-03-15 11:48:28	MrElendig	cedb: you are dreaming about tearing of tights with your teeth?
2022-03-15 11:48:45	MrElendig	ggorg: isitdownforeveryoneorjustme.com and similar
2022-03-15 11:48:55	ggorg	ok it is
2022-03-15 11:48:57	naranja	aur scheduled maintenance or something unexpected?
2022-03-15 11:49:05	Khorne	Aliens
2022-03-15 11:49:11	naranja	:O
2022-03-15 11:49:12	Khorne	The invasion has begun
2022-03-15 11:49:19	cedb	MrElendig: GET OUT OF MY HEAD
2022-03-15 11:49:29	MrElendig	http://isitdown.us/aur.archlinux.org
2022-03-15 11:49:30	phrik	Title: Is it Down - Check website status from this USA based server, you can confirm if a website is down or have any error (at isitdown.us)
2022-03-15 11:49:33	cedb	obv the aliens would start with the AUR
2022-03-15 11:49:45	Khorne	cedb, because they need all the trash as energy
2022-03-15 11:49:56	ggorg	ok its up again :)
2022-03-15 11:49:59	cedb	its like the Washington DC of the internet yes
2022-03-15 11:50:19	Khorne	cedb, I mean, !aur
2022-03-15 11:50:24	Khorne	Checks out
2022-03-15 11:50:29	ggorg	!aur
2022-03-15 11:50:29	phrik	The trash heap of Arch. Dig around enough and maybe you will find some gold.
2022-03-15 11:50:33	ggorg	what
2022-03-15 11:50:53	MrElendig	cedb: be sure to keep the beast in your nature under ceasless attack
2022-03-15 11:51:07	Khorne	ggorg, it's where all the community rejects go
2022-03-15 11:51:21	MrElendig	arch needs status.archlinux.org
2022-03-15 11:51:25	MrElendig	oh wait...
2022-03-15 11:51:27	MrElendig	:p
2022-03-15 11:51:30	Khorne	MrElendig, no six sigma, no sale
2022-03-15 11:51:40	jelle	someone implement me rate limitting
2022-03-15 11:51:56	cedb	MrElendig: ironically ive been blasting Phil Veras's discography https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3c_vYpe5qI
2022-03-15 11:51:59	⚡ 	jelle hires Khorne
2022-03-15 11:52:00	MrElendig	only 3 9's so arch sucks!"
2022-03-15 11:52:24	Khorne	jelle, how is Arch ever get that sweet VC and eventual buyout when you don't even have .9995
2022-03-15 11:52:40	Khorne	absolutely unplayable
2022-03-15 11:52:48	bryan	unrelated, but how can I remove wifi passwords in kde to networks I've conected too?
2022-03-15 11:52:52	cedb	arch doesnt have VCs, it has **ANGELS**
2022-03-15 11:52:59	jelle	Khorne: sure, I give you one clubmate
2022-03-15 11:53:04	jelle	enough fuel for a night imo
2022-03-15 11:53:17	OneDev	so I needed to kill iwd try with wpa and it wasnt working. 
2022-03-15 11:53:42	Khorne	jelle, is that a berlin clubmate? Laced with coke
2022-03-15 11:53:46	OneDev	So I stoped wpa enabled iwd as a backend and uncommented and it connects now at least. 
2022-03-15 11:53:57	jelle	Khorne: wuttt
2022-03-15 11:53:58	OneDev	However I am not able to create new connections.
2022-03-15 11:54:23	Khorne	stopped wpa..are you also individually running wpa_supplicant?
2022-03-15 11:54:45	MrElendig	bryan: if you are using the kde keyring then they will be stored in there
2022-03-15 11:54:57	MrElendig	bryan: depending on what you actually used to manage said networks of course
2022-03-15 11:55:08	OneDev	no I dont
2022-03-15 11:55:14	OneDev	iwd run instead of wpa
2022-03-15 11:55:25	bryan	I found the option in the configurations to not save it
2022-03-15 11:55:26	Khorne	WPA doesn't run
2022-03-15 11:55:49	MrElendig	bryan: doubt that deletes existing entries
2022-03-15 11:56:14	bryan	I used whatever default network manager comes with kde
2022-03-15 11:56:25	bryan	can I delete a file or something to make sure it's actually gone?
2022-03-15 11:56:30	MrElendig	open the keyring and have a look
2022-03-15 11:56:46	MrElendig	if you are not using a keyring, then networkmanager will store them in plain in its configs
2022-03-15 11:56:48	bryan	I don't have a keyring app, or I don't know what it's called
2022-03-15 11:57:22	MrElendig	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE_Wallet
2022-03-15 11:57:23	phrik	Title: KDE Wallet - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-15 11:57:38	MrElendig	if you used the metapackage then you most likely have that ^
2022-03-15 11:58:10	bryan	possibly, just installed plasma and some apps
2022-03-15 11:58:33	jelle	cedb: also it was git cloning which was the problem, but thanks for your smart assery ;-)
2022-03-15 11:58:38	bryan	if I open the wallet it takes me to the config I removed earlier
2022-03-15 11:58:43	bryan	where the password isn't saved
2022-03-15 11:59:08	bryan	so unless it's sneakily sitting somewhere else looks like it's gone
2022-03-15 11:59:21	OneDev	hm
2022-03-15 11:59:34	OneDev	so where to find the config files for iwd?
2022-03-15 11:59:49	thrice	it stores connections in /var/lib/iwd/
2022-03-15 12:00:50	MrElendig	bryan: when not using a keyring, the passwords will be stored in plain in the nm configs
2022-03-15 12:01:17	MrElendig	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NetworkManager#Encrypted_Wi-Fi_passwords
2022-03-15 12:01:18	phrik	Title: NetworkManager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-15 12:24:42	OneDev	https://dpaste.org/5gyx
2022-03-15 12:24:53	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oZUL.txt
2022-03-15 12:24:54	OneDev	So renaming issues is what stops using normally nm
2022-03-15 12:25:14	OneDev	this was with wpa and nm
2022-03-15 12:25:17	MrElendig	don't enable both iwd and nm services at the same time yourself
2022-03-15 12:25:23	MrElendig	same with wpa_sup and nm
2022-03-15 12:25:54	OneDev	ok so you mean to not enable wpa and only enable nm?
2022-03-15 12:25:59	OneDev	I have disabled iwd 
2022-03-15 12:26:06	OneDev	and enabled wpa and nm then
2022-03-15 12:26:25	OneDev	however couldnt connect do to renaming 
2022-03-15 12:26:45	Khorne	What the hell is wpa in your case
2022-03-15 12:26:52	Khorne	What exactly did you enable
2022-03-15 12:27:03	MrElendig	nm will start wpa/iwd as needed, do not enable those services yourself
2022-03-15 12:27:03	OneDev	wpa_supplicant
2022-03-15 12:27:11	OneDev	oh ok
2022-03-15 12:27:14	Khorne	OneDev, thats what I asked earlier...
2022-03-15 12:27:19	MrElendig	doing so will break nm
2022-03-15 12:28:23	GuiToris	when I search something on archwiki, how can I see what other pages have that string?
2022-03-15 12:29:03	Khorne	GuiToris, press the 'Search pages containing <string>' link?
2022-03-15 12:29:52	GuiToris	does that work for you?
2022-03-15 12:30:11	Khorne	No I suggest only things that do not work
2022-03-15 12:30:18	GuiToris	I'll try another browser
2022-03-15 12:30:23	GuiToris	it does nothing here
2022-03-15 12:31:24	GuiToris	it works with Tor Browser, but it won't work with Chromium here :/
2022-03-15 12:32:08	Khorne	Works with Chromium as well
2022-03-15 12:32:38	GuiToris	something is wrong here, even the wiki's been looking ugly for a few month now, I'll take a screenshot
2022-03-15 12:32:50	Khorne	Disable all your extensions
2022-03-15 12:33:23	GuiToris	https://i.imgur.com/kcWxvI7.png
2022-03-15 12:33:42	GuiToris	I'll give it a try
2022-03-15 12:34:09	GuiToris	but the same page looks much nicer with Tor
2022-03-15 12:34:16	stutz	that looks terrible. wth
2022-03-15 12:34:34	Khorne	That looks like Stylus or Dark Reader or w/e having a stroke
2022-03-15 12:34:37	GuiToris	I've thought that was the new design
2022-03-15 12:36:15	susi	it's easiest to disable all extensions and preferences by going about:profiles and creating a fresh profile, and launching that
2022-03-15 12:36:34	susi	(if this was ff)
2022-03-15 12:37:06	MrElendig	there is even a --flag to launch ff with a clean profile
2022-03-15 12:39:00	susi	I used to have that same problem, but can't remember how I fixed it
2022-03-15 12:39:18	GuiToris	--disable-extensions fixed both problems, wiki is not ugly and search for pages is also working
2022-03-15 12:39:20	GuiToris	thanks
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2022-03-15 23:06:20	Aherin	well, thankfully flatpak works :D 
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2022-03-17 12:29:17	stutz	thats some 90s lookin desktop right there.
2022-03-17 12:31:47	multi8	:-)
2022-03-17 12:34:33	Khorne	Needs way more desktop cubes, I agree
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2022-03-18 18:44:10	polyzium	Well it looks like I'm on my own again
2022-03-18 18:44:25	keu9	ok thanks, I will do that as soon as it becomes available (rn dependency issue happens, matter of a few hours to a few days usually)
2022-03-18 18:44:51	jonathon	the point of the archzfs repo is that there is not a dependency problem, so if there is an issue you should report it to them
2022-03-18 18:45:06	jonathon	or, you could just use the zfs-dkms package and be done with it
2022-03-18 18:45:39	keu9	No need, I'll wait for the normal zfs kernel to become available
2022-03-18 18:49:52	jonathon	it appears that it already is available, so i'm not sure what you're doing
2022-03-18 18:51:58	jonathon	oh, you're only using the ZFS package rather than combined with the matching kernel
2022-03-18 18:52:36	jonathon	two ways around that would be to use the kernel provided by the archzfs repo, or to download the older version from ALA. or, you know, use zfs-dkms
2022-03-18 18:59:37	Aherin	Well that was fun.. tried to uninstall Avahi stuff, ended up without a desktop environment.. anyone who know what happened? 
2022-03-18 19:04:09	Scimmia	Aherin: did you use the cascade option?
2022-03-18 19:04:17	Scimmia	or ignore deps?
2022-03-18 19:06:49	rmagno	Namarrgon: apologies for replying only now. The mainboard is: http://ix.io/3SLX.
2022-03-18 19:08:34	rmagno	Namarrgon: I've just installed linux-mainline and linux-firmware-git, and still have that issue http://ix.io/3SLY.
2022-03-18 19:10:23	another|	anthraxx: Just a heads up: dav1d 1.0.0 was tagged today; test-data is now also tagged. Packaging-wise dav1d-doc now requires an explicit flag -Denable_docs=true
2022-03-18 19:10:37	dav1d	:(
2022-03-18 19:10:47	dav1d	I hate being packaged
2022-03-18 19:11:01	another|	into a neat little tarball
2022-03-18 19:11:37	dav1d	only if you sign me
2022-03-18 19:12:06	⚡ 	another| sighs dav1d
2022-03-18 19:14:32	anthraxx	another|: merci
2022-03-18 19:18:31	another|	your welcome
2022-03-18 19:24:08	Aherin	Scimmia i used the Gnome Software app :)
2022-03-18 19:25:13	thrice	Aherin: which packages did it remove?
2022-03-18 19:25:21	thrice	it probably asked you to remove gnome, and you said "yes"
2022-03-18 19:25:36	Aherin	It did not :) 
2022-03-18 19:25:46	thrice	it didn't ask you to confirm your action?
2022-03-18 19:25:52	Aherin	in fct, it didn’t ask anything
2022-03-18 19:26:12	Aherin	which is why i am so confused :)
2022-03-18 19:30:21	Aherin	Oh well, if its not something usual, then i can live with it :) got gnome back 
2022-03-18 19:30:43	thrice	I guess I don't know, but unless you really need it, stick to pacman
2022-03-18 19:31:17	thrice	(for example, try pretending to remove avahi from the terminal, via. pacman, and you'll see what would happen)
2022-03-18 19:37:59	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-18 19:40:20	Aherin	I disabled Avahi, now i just want it gone from the gnome menu :)
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2022-03-18 19:57:35	ℹ 	indux1 es conocido ahora como indux
2022-03-18 19:58:58	Bayes	is this the way I'm supposed to have my user systemd unit to run a script in my ~/.local/bin folder? http://ix.io/3SMf
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2022-03-18 19:59:16	Bayes	I don't know if ~/.local/bin is needed or not
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2022-03-18 19:59:39	Bayes	also I don't know if I should call /usr/bin/bash explicitly or not in ExecStart
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2022-03-18 20:01:51	Edu4rdSHL	Bayes, why not just use a full path
2022-03-18 20:01:53	Edu4rdSHL	:p
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2022-03-18 20:02:38	Edu4rdSHL	But yeah, what you're doing looks good to me
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2022-03-18 20:09:45	Bayes	well I  was hoping to use %h so I don't need to change the service if I want to copypaste it for another user
2022-03-18 20:10:39	Namarrgon	use absolute paths wherever you can
2022-03-18 20:13:13	Bayes	do I want /usr/bin/bash script in ExecStart, or only have script in ExecStart and have a shebang in the script?
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2022-03-18 20:13:31	Namarrgon	that's up to you
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2022-03-18 20:13:47	Bayes	sounds good
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2022-03-18 20:14:49	Bayes	btw, if my service is After=local-fs.target time-sync.target, can I force run it without rebooting the system? to test it basically
2022-03-18 20:15:21	Bayes	I don't think systemd start will do that, will it ?
2022-03-18 20:15:34	Namarrgon	your user-service cannot depend on system-units
2022-03-18 20:15:42	Edu4rdSHL	^
2022-03-18 20:15:46	Bayes	oh
2022-03-18 20:16:24	◣	mtn (~mtn@98.97.127.52) ha salido (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2022-03-18 20:16:51	MrElendig	it can't start/stop system ones after all
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2022-03-18 20:17:58	Bayes	hm dang
2022-03-18 20:18:04	Namarrgon	looking at 'man bootup' i don't think you have to worry about local-fs.target
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2022-03-18 20:18:30	Bayes	I'm not sure then how I'd set this one up, I just want to "run bash script as --user once a day"
2022-03-18 20:18:48	Aherin	Use a cronjob :)
2022-03-18 20:19:00	Bayes	so this is what I've written https://i.imgur.com/C0HRbFV.png
2022-03-18 20:19:01	Namarrgon	you're aware that these won't run when your user isn't logged in?
2022-03-18 20:19:05	Bayes	agh no, wrong link
2022-03-18 20:19:08	Edu4rdSHL	Bayes, and why do you need to explicity depends on local-fs.target abd ime-sync.target ?
2022-03-18 20:19:25	Edu4rdSHL	and ti*
2022-03-18 20:19:28	Bayes	http://ix.io/3SMq that's my .service
2022-03-18 20:19:51	Bayes	I don't know really:/  I was using the etckeeper service as a template
2022-03-18 20:20:01	Bayes	please don't hit me ^_^
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2022-03-18 20:20:19	Edu4rdSHL	Bayes, well, create a system service and use User=your_user and Group=your_group
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2022-03-18 20:20:30	Edu4rdSHL	Then you can depend on system targets
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2022-03-18 20:20:41	Bayes	I don't want to depend on system targets really
2022-03-18 20:20:53	Bayes	for what I worth I don't think I have any dependence
2022-03-18 20:20:58	Aherin	But a cronjob would do too, no?
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2022-03-18 20:21:01	Edu4rdSHL	Then just remove system targets dependencies and use systemctl --user
2022-03-18 20:21:12	Bayes	I just want to run this after login
2022-03-18 20:21:22	Edu4rdSHL	timers are a lot better than cronjobs, let's them rest in peace
2022-03-18 20:21:43	Edu4rdSHL	Bayes, well, then a pure unit service is what you want
2022-03-18 20:21:46	Aherin	Oh :)
2022-03-18 20:21:57	Aherin	im learnin more and more every day :)
2022-03-18 20:22:09	Bayes	Edu4rdSHL so no After and no Before line.
2022-03-18 20:22:19	Edu4rdSHL	Yep
2022-03-18 20:22:31	◣	rassawyer (~rassawyer@64.67.78.109.res-cmts.eph.ptd.net) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-03-18 20:22:59	Edu4rdSHL	https://paste.rs/qou this
2022-03-18 20:23:11	Edu4rdSHL	Then create your timer and enable the timer :)
2022-03-18 20:23:51	⚡ 	gehidore huggles timers
2022-03-18 20:24:02	Bayes	Edu4rdSHL yay! that's exactly how mine was looking like after your comment
2022-03-18 20:24:06	Bayes	I already have my timer
2022-03-18 20:24:30	Bayes	it's quite a simple .timer actually http://ix.io/3SMt
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2022-03-18 20:25:01	Bayes	that's why I was asking if I can force run a timer to test the service without rebooting
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2022-03-18 20:25:27	Bayes	does that make sense?
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2022-03-18 20:26:03	Edu4rdSHL	Bayes, you can just start the user service
2022-03-18 20:26:10	Edu4rdSHL	The timer will work just fine
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2022-03-18 20:27:29	Bayes	hm
2022-03-18 20:27:30	rmagno	Namarrgon: you there?
2022-03-18 20:28:11	Bayes	Edu4rdSHL wait, if I systemctl --user start dailycommit.timer, will the timer execute in 15 minutes as if I had just booted?
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2022-03-18 20:30:49	Edu4rdSHL	Bayes, I think that it starts inmediatly since that it retrieves some info from the boot process, not sure, let me check
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2022-03-18 20:30:49	Bayes	yeah no, systemctl --user -list-timers says next time is tomorrow
2022-03-18 20:30:49	Bayes	cause it ran it already once today
2022-03-18 20:30:53	Bayes	so I guess I don't get to see if the service will work until tomorrow
2022-03-18 20:31:01	Bayes	o.o
2022-03-18 20:31:16	Edu4rdSHL	Bayes, systemctl --user status your_unit.service
2022-03-18 20:31:42	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-03-18 20:31:46	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-03-18 20:32:15	Bayes	gotcha
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2022-03-18 20:32:21	Edu4rdSHL	I did a test here and it triggered the service inmediatly as I said before
2022-03-18 20:32:39	Edu4rdSHL	If you have run it before today then it makes sense that doesn't run again
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2022-03-19 16:39:49	susi	aguitel: yes, I tried it, works
2022-03-19 16:40:42	susi	aguitel: https://0x0.st/oNak.txt and then replace handlers.json with output of that
2022-03-19 16:40:45	amosbird	susi: it says Using hardware decoding (nvdec-copy).
2022-03-19 16:41:08	susi	aguitel: you need to edit mozilla/handlers.json to correct path
2022-03-19 16:42:52	susi	aguitel: so, jq '.mimeTypes |= .+ { "text/plain" : { "action" : 1, "extensions" : [ "torrent" ] } }' path_to_your_firefox_profile_directory/handlers.json > path_to_your_firefox_profile_dir/handlers.json
2022-03-19 16:43:04	susi	(then restart firefox)
2022-03-19 16:43:32	Earnestly	Okay, problem is I need libva 2.14 (tested with git, but it appears that 2.14 added vaapi decode for crocus)
2022-03-19 16:49:37	mohan43u	need help, can I access pipewire through dbus? I just to get the current sink and source, their current columes, are they mute or not.
2022-03-19 16:54:06	aguitel	susi: thanks solved
2022-03-19 17:20:47	thrice	mohan43u: are you using the pulse server?  Curious why existing pulse tools wouldn't work
2022-03-19 17:21:01	thrice	ie, pactl
2022-03-19 17:23:02	mohan43u	thrice: yes, I use pipewire-pulse, but I can't get these details through org.pulseaudio.Server dbus interface, I want to avoid external commands (pid goes too high)
2022-03-19 17:23:56	thrice	https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/Developer/Clients/DBus/#devicessinksandsources ?
2022-03-19 17:23:59	mohan43u	thrice: looks like neither pipewire nor pulseaudio have proper dbus service
2022-03-19 17:23:59	phrik	Title: D-Bus Interface – Developer Documentation – PulseAudio (at www.freedesktop.org)
2022-03-19 17:24:17	thrice	anyway, I'll stop, I don't know the answer :)
2022-03-19 17:26:11	mohan43u	thrice: as per this https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/Developer/Clients/DBus/ConnectingToServer/ , there suppose to be org.PulseAudio.ServerLookup1 interface in dbus, but I see nothing
2022-03-19 17:26:13	phrik	Title: ConnectingToServer (at www.freedesktop.org)
2022-03-19 17:45:35	Elodin	How do i make sure my laptop has a bluetooth device?
2022-03-19 17:46:59	MrElendig	open it up and look inside
2022-03-19 17:47:20	MrElendig	hold whoever you buy it from at gunpoint until they show you that it has bt
2022-03-19 17:48:11	jmariondev	Try checking `lsusb` and `lspci` to see if you see a device
2022-03-19 17:53:34	MrElendig	but really, if the laptop was made within the past 15 years, it is pretty much guaranteed to have bt
2022-03-19 17:53:45	MrElendig	if its acutally functionally bt is another discussion :p
2022-03-19 17:54:50	Elodin	Manufacturer says it's supposed to have, however i'm having trouble setting it up.
2022-03-19 17:55:06	MrElendig	so its a xyproblem
2022-03-19 17:55:17	Elodin	i'll try again the bluetoothctl
2022-03-19 17:57:26	MrElendig	lsusb | grep Bluetooth
2022-03-19 18:02:33	fishgolf	Is it a bad idea to run a shell script as root on startup that constantly checks for a file (or maybe a named pipe)? sorry i'm new to linux
2022-03-19 18:04:28	susi	why would you run it as root if it does not need those rights?
2022-03-19 18:06:42	fishgolf	i need root because it will adjust some cpu power settings. i want to change those settings from the desktop so i need this "service" 
2022-03-19 18:07:20	thrice	what are you actually trying to do?  There is probably a better solution already available
2022-03-19 18:07:33	thrice	power-profiles-daemon, for example
2022-03-19 18:07:41	MrElendig	fishgolf: there are existing daemons for this
2022-03-19 18:08:11	MrElendig	which wm/de are you using?
2022-03-19 18:08:27	MrElendig	gnome/kde/xfce all have options for this
2022-03-19 18:08:45	fishgolf	i'm using kde
2022-03-19 18:08:53	MrElendig	kde have built in power management
2022-03-19 18:09:16	MrElendig	uses powerdevil iirc
2022-03-19 18:10:00	MrElendig	you can change profile from the new battery/brighness applet
2022-03-19 18:11:32	thrice	make sure power-profiles-daemon is installed first, though, as it's an optional dep
2022-03-19 18:12:38	fishgolf	thank you guys i'll report back if it worked
2022-03-19 18:29:02	fishgolf	powerdevil was a plasma dependency. "configure energy saving" does not open. installing power-profiles-deamon did not change this. i'm not seeing a power settings slider in the applet anyway (amd lucienne 5700u unsupported maybe?). 
2022-03-19 18:32:15	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-19 18:39:11	fishgolf	well this is embarrassing. a reboot did the trick. power-profiles-daemon was indeed the missing piece. thank you.
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2022-03-19 19:25:40	fishgolf	the kind of profiles it applies are kind of insane though, 17w at power save where windows was doing <10. i'll do some digging to see if i can change that
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2022-03-19 19:31:32	demonicmaniac1	my 4700u stock with just powertop --auto-tune idles at like 3w with screen low brightness and wifi on
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2022-03-19 19:35:45	fishgolf	my 5700u idles at 3w as well, but i'd like to clamp the maximum wattage, which becaomes an issue with video decode for example
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2022-03-19 19:37:30	demonicmaniac1	just clamping the watts via ryzenadj is a tricky thing because that doesn't tell you how much goes into cpu and how much into gpu and with vo gpu for video playback potentially requiring more power, hwdec not much probably if enabled but vo gpu might
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2022-03-19 19:39:21	demonicmaniac1	unless you're not actually using ryzenadj but some other tool which samples soc power at random inverval and throttling to achieve an average wattage - that would be absolutely terrible
2022-03-19 19:39:25	demonicmaniac1	thermald or what not
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2022-03-19 19:40:36	fishgolf	what do you mean by vo gpu? i'm using ryzenadj --stapm-limit=7000 --slow-limit=7000 and i see no impact on performance
2022-03-19 19:41:31	demonicmaniac1	so are your profile things for power saving using ryzenadj or no?
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2022-03-19 19:42:02	demonicmaniac1	7w soc limit and 17w total sounds very odd to me, screen/wifi/disk shouldn't eat 10w+
2022-03-19 19:42:04	fishgolf	no, that's what i'm tryong to add to them
2022-03-19 19:42:13	demonicmaniac1	ah
2022-03-19 19:42:47	fishgolf	i'm running ryzenadj manually because this is my first linux and i have no idea what i'm doing
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2022-03-19 20:15:41	tsal	Hey, I'm having a bit of trouble with the "superslicer" package I installed from AUR. When I try to launch it I get: "superslicer: error while loading shared libraries: libCGAL.so.13: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
2022-03-19 20:16:10	tsal	It used to work, and nobody is complaining in the comments of the AUR package so I'm suspecting the problem is somewhere on my side
2022-03-19 20:16:37	MrElendig	rebuild everything
2022-03-19 20:16:37	Namarrgon	!wtf libCGAL.so
2022-03-19 20:16:38	phrik	Namarrgon: What the hell is libCGAL.so?
2022-03-19 20:16:39	tsal	Tried to search pacman like this: "pacman -F libCGAL.so.13" but no results
2022-03-19 20:21:05	MrElendig	plocate libCGAL.so
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2022-03-19 20:21:05	tsal	trying the rebuild now, one moment
2022-03-19 20:21:05	MrElendig	my guess would be that you updated whatever package provides that lib
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2022-03-19 20:21:05	tsal	Possible. I searched the whole rootfs for "*CGAL*.so", but no results.
2022-03-19 20:21:05	MrElendig	hmm, cgal package doesn't provide any .so anymore
2022-03-19 20:21:05	tsal	So if it existed at one point it is gone somehow...
2022-03-19 20:21:39	MrElendig	(if it ever did)
2022-03-19 20:22:36	demonicmaniac1	it did
2022-03-19 20:22:54	demonicmaniac1	gotta rebuild stuff that linked against it dynamically
2022-03-19 20:22:55	MrElendig	time to !bug it possibly
2022-03-19 20:23:11	MrElendig	unless it was upstream that got rid of it
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2022-03-19 20:24:26	MrElendig	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/commit/0fe3eb8c71c8a7d7792f68a6bf5d936e9fdeed0c
2022-03-19 20:25:29	tsal	Yep, rebuild fixed it!
2022-03-19 20:25:36	tsal	Thanks!
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2022-03-19 20:30:17	tsal	Strangely enough I looked at the loaded libraries of superslicer with lsof and there isn't any libCGAL anywhere, so it doesn't require it anymore?
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2022-03-19 20:32:07	Scimmia	Did you see MrElendig's link? What do you expect to be open?
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2022-03-19 20:34:09	tsal	Seen yes, understood apparently not really.
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2022-03-19 20:35:06	Scimmia	header only library means there is no shared library to be linked at run time
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2022-03-19 20:35:36	MrElendig	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Header-only
2022-03-19 20:35:37	phrik	Title: Header-only - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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2022-03-19 20:39:02	tsal	Huh, interesting. Never heard of it before. Thanks!
2022-03-19 20:46:23	Maximalist	Ive been trying to download a few packages using yay but I keep getting '<package> is not available for the aarch64 architecture. This has happened for several packages, am I doing something wrong?
2022-03-19 20:46:33	Maximalist	First time using anything Arch
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2022-03-19 20:47:51	Scimmia	!give Maximalist alarm
2022-03-19 20:47:51	phrik	Maximalist: If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
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2022-03-19 21:09:42	kamaris	Can anyone provide assistance on what I'm missing when doing a system upgrade (ChimeraOS) that is resulting in the wrong kernel loading, identical to this issue: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=251089
2022-03-19 21:09:43	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] upgraded linux kernel issue at boot (unknown filesystem vfat) / Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-03-19 21:10:20	kamaris	As far as I can tell though, the /boot partition is loaded when I'm doing the upgrade, yet on reboot, the kernel loaded (uname -r) is different than what the system installed (pacman -Q linux)
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2022-03-19 21:19:00	susi	with mlocate, I was able to updatedb w/o su rights when in locate group - is this possible with plocate?
2022-03-19 21:19:15	susi	at least locate group seems not to do the trick anymore
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2022-03-19 21:20:39	susi	hmm, though plocate.db is still root:locate :o
2022-03-19 21:21:10	susi	should i re-login or something, i just removed mlocate and switched to plocate?
2022-03-19 21:22:36	hellosway[m]	<kamaris> "As far as I can tell though, the..." <- what kernel is in /usr/lib/modules
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2022-03-19 21:23:16	Scimmia	!give kamaris notarch
2022-03-19 21:23:17	phrik	kamaris: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
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2022-03-19 21:32:41	agopo	Has anyone ran Ableton Live 11 on arch + WINE here for a while and can tell me about its stability? 
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2022-03-19 21:42:56	jb1277976	anyone using i3 with like any imported layout using i3ip or whatever else?
2022-03-19 21:43:45	jb1277976	im come to the conclusion after playing with diffrent layouts for about an hour that the default stacked and tabbed are the best and having a terminal on the left and windows on the right is the best? anyone else have any diffrent take?
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2022-03-19 22:15:38	mattf	i have a self hosted openvpn server, it works fine for a while but after some usage it stops. Then i have to restart it on arch (my client) and it works again
2022-03-19 22:15:46	mattf	for like 2 minutes
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2022-03-19 22:16:26	mattf	im running with --verb 9 (8, 7)  i couldn't quite get any error or useful info from the client
2022-03-19 22:16:38	mattf	if leave a ping running and it will randomly stop
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2022-03-19 22:19:21	mattf	http://ix.io/3STX
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2022-03-19 22:22:10	cc0a3hr	arch is spyware system with systemd
2022-03-19 22:22:18	cc0a3hr	systemd has a fallback to use cloudflare dns and then google dns if your dhcp doesn't provide a valid dns
2022-03-19 22:22:22	cc0a3hr	this is default in arch
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2022-03-19 22:23:13	Edu4rdSHL	The reason to use them as fallback is because these are the best fallback DNS available, best uptime, best latency, best features (DNSSEC, DoT, DoH).
2022-03-19 22:23:20	mattf	does /etc/resolve.conf override that?
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2022-03-19 22:23:44	Edu4rdSHL	mattf, yes, they are fallback, just in case that your DHCP doesn't provide a valid DNS.
2022-03-19 22:23:52	⚡ 	mattf has /etc/resolve.conf set to google's and cloudflare dns's respectively 
2022-03-19 22:23:53	Edu4rdSHL	And you can change the fallback DNS too.
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2022-03-19 22:26:53	mattf	anyway i am not caring about privacy here, just needed this vpn to work
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2022-03-19 22:28:01	Edu4rdSHL	mattf, check your journal
2022-03-19 22:31:09	mattf	Edu4rdSHL: too hard to find anything related to vpn
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2022-03-19 22:48:50	Edu4rdSHL	mattf, well, journal is usually the easiest way to troubleshoot problems :)
2022-03-19 22:49:08	mattf	well i dont see any errors there
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2022-03-19 22:49:26	mattf	idk how to filter properly, i search for vpn and there is only things for when i connected, not for when it failed
2022-03-19 22:49:45	mattf	the same vpn has been working on my mobile for the entire day so i dont think it is a problem on my server
2022-03-19 22:49:57	mattf	i think im gonna make a pinging script that auto restarts the command
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2022-03-19 22:52:34	Edu4rdSHL	mattf, what's the output of `journalctl -r -n 1000`
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2022-03-19 22:53:12	mattf	you want all, ok ill make it fail again then
2022-03-19 22:53:39	Edu4rdSHL	Yes, all
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2022-03-19 22:56:41	mattf	Edu4rdSHL: vpn connected ad ~18:53:30, died at  ~18:55:30 then i stopped it: http://ix.io/3SUa
2022-03-19 22:57:38	mattf	at 18:55:54 it is me killing it
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2022-03-19 22:57:54	mattf	btw im starting to think that is 2 min exactly always
2022-03-19 22:58:16	mattf	can't that be some ping timeout thing someone is expecting and the other is not sending
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2022-03-19 23:00:55	Edu4rdSHL	Aah you arent using a systemd service for launching the VPN but sudo instead...
2022-03-19 23:01:05	mattf	no im running the command
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2022-03-19 23:01:13	mattf	sudo openvpn --config file.ovpn
2022-03-19 23:01:18	Edu4rdSHL	I think that it's better to check the server logs to see why it'0s failing
2022-03-19 23:01:19	mattf	and i dont have the systemd thing enabled
2022-03-19 23:01:38	Edu4rdSHL	The server logs will have more info for sure
2022-03-19 23:01:45	mattf	Edu4rdSHL: yes there are no logs of fail, it keeps TUN READ an and UDP WRITE
2022-03-19 23:01:59	mattf	even though there are is no ping anymore
2022-03-19 23:02:03	Edu4rdSHL	Well, no idea, try asking in #networking 
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2022-03-19 23:20:22	mingdao	mattf: Or in #netfilter.  One of the ops works Support at OpenVPN.
2022-03-19 23:21:10	mingdao	Is #networking the toxic sewer here that it was on FreeNode?  Hopefully not.
2022-03-19 23:21:40	mattf	oh ok
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2022-03-20 12:50:46	flower_	if my linux-lts package gets updated, do I need to regenerate the grub file?
2022-03-20 12:51:13	thrice	usually not, the names of the kernel & initrd don't change
2022-03-20 12:51:15	flower_	grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2022-03-20 12:51:23	flower_	ok
2022-03-20 12:51:48	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-20 12:52:09	flower_	so only when a new kernel version gets out?
2022-03-20 12:52:32	thrice	er, no, same thing
2022-03-20 12:52:40	flower_	ah ok
2022-03-20 12:53:18	thrice	linux-zen 5.15.5 and 5.16.9 will both end up as /boot/vmlinuz-linux
2022-03-20 12:54:33	flower_	I've a missing firmware warning https://paste.debian.net/1235007/
2022-03-20 12:54:37	phrik	Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)
2022-03-20 12:55:35	thrice	in my experience, that's harmless
2022-03-20 12:55:39	thurstylark	that's normal
2022-03-20 12:56:10	thurstylark	afaik those refer to pretty niche hardware, so you usually won't have those unless you know you need them
2022-03-20 12:56:17	flower_	ok
2022-03-20 13:10:01	Khorne	thrice, I hope the -zen kernels wouldn't end up as vmlinuz-linux 
2022-03-20 13:10:57	TDSI	Hello !
2022-03-20 13:12:05	phaisedArray	TDSI: Welcome
2022-03-20 13:12:31	TDSI	phaisedArray I just had a quick question, I reported something down in the #archlinux-bugs channel a few days ago & was met with no answer
2022-03-20 13:12:36	TDSI	That channel isn't really active anymore is it?.
2022-03-20 13:12:48	TDSI	It's a honestly minor bug, which is why I wasn't sure if I should make a bugtracker report
2022-03-20 13:12:59	thurstylark	it is, but the bugbot rolls stuff away sometimes if nobody's watching
2022-03-20 13:13:05	thurstylark	what bug number
2022-03-20 13:13:19	thurstylark	oh, wait, nvm :P
2022-03-20 13:13:27	airmailsteam	Does anyone else have problems running vscode on wayland? It runs fine via xwayland but as when I pass the wayland flags wiki mentions (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Visual_Studio_Code#Running_natively_under_Wayland), I get the following errors and it does not launch at all: 
2022-03-20 13:13:29	phrik	Title: Visual Studio Code - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-20 13:13:29	airmailsteam	Warning: 'enable-features' is not in the list of known options, but still passed to Electron/Chromium.
2022-03-20 13:13:30	airmailsteam	Warning: 'ozone-platform' is not in the list of known options, but still passed to Electron/Chromium.
2022-03-20 13:13:48	Namarrgon	TDSI: -bugs is for discussions around the bugtracker, it's not for reporting bugs
2022-03-20 13:13:54	thurstylark	^
2022-03-20 13:14:01	TDSI	Ah my apologies
2022-03-20 13:14:06	TDSI	I will do a bug on the bugtracker then & just set the severity to low
2022-03-20 13:14:17	TDSI	TLDR : when you install arch with "archinstall" and select a desktop such as kde or gnome
2022-03-20 13:14:23	TDSI	the discover shop doesn't work by default because it's missing a qt5 package
2022-03-20 13:14:39	thurstylark	isn't archinstall still experimental?
2022-03-20 13:14:40	Namarrgon	you could report this directly on the archinstall tracker
2022-03-20 13:14:54	TDSI	i think it's still experimental yeah
2022-03-20 13:14:56	TDSI	hence the bug :p
2022-03-20 13:15:35	TDSI	Namarrgon https://github.com/archlinux/archinstall/issues
2022-03-20 13:15:45	Namarrgon	yup
2022-03-20 13:16:01	TDSI	thanks
2022-03-20 13:16:22	TDSI	i'm a linux noob
2022-03-20 13:16:36	TDSI	i used ubuntu way back on a school laptop because i didn't wanna pay windows key + on my PS3
2022-03-20 13:16:43	TDSI	but now i'm back with arch & it's been a pleasant journey thus far
2022-03-20 13:16:44	TDSI	haha
2022-03-20 13:17:54	mingdao	Anyone using the Brave browser know how to get it to open a txt file, rather than only download?  Firefox has the ability to set an application to open a file, has a dialog box asking if you want to open, save, save as, etc.  Can not find anything for Brave expect to open a PDF rather than saving it.
2022-03-20 13:18:35	airmailsteam	If it's helpful, I am running latest plasma on wayland with kwin as the compositor
2022-03-20 13:28:14	mingdao	Maybe I stumbled upon HOW-TO always open a file in Brave.
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2022-03-20 13:34:29	wyre	hi guys, I've got a zip file with a folder inside I need to update a system folder
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2022-03-20 13:34:58	wyre	but I cannot unzip it without getting it inside of the folder instead replacing the files/subfolders in it
2022-03-20 13:35:37	wyre	I've tried something like `unzip zipfile.zip "archived_folder/**/*" -d local_folder/`
2022-03-20 13:36:09	wyre	but that also creates the `archived_folder` inside `local_folder` instead replacing subfolders/files
2022-03-20 13:36:18	susi	7z x -o
2022-03-20 13:37:19	susi	or maybe 7z e, actually
2022-03-20 13:37:28	susi	x is extract with full paths
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2022-03-20 13:38:32	wyre	susi, well, I'm not sure if I could trim the parent folder when extracting the full paths
2022-03-20 13:39:10	susi	that's why 'e'
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2022-03-20 13:45:25	vulpine	what versioning scheme should aur packages for projects on git that dont tag releases use?
2022-03-20 13:46:02	Earnestly	vulpine: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VCS_package_guidelines#Git
2022-03-20 13:46:03	phrik	Title: VCS package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-20 13:47:00	teraflops	wyre: unzip the file to an intermediate location and copy the folder/files from there as you want?
2022-03-20 13:47:19	vulpine	ah thanks
2022-03-20 13:49:05	Earnestly	unzip has a bucket load of options
2022-03-20 13:50:00	Earnestly	Including wildcard pattern matching
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2022-03-20 13:51:40	wyre	teraflops, could I use rsync? 🤔
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2022-03-20 13:53:21	wyre	Earnestly, sure, but I'm not able to just extract the contents inside a folder in the zip to a custom location
2022-03-20 13:53:27	wyre	it always extracts the whole folder
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2022-03-20 13:57:15	wyre	Earnestly, according to the unzip manpage the argument should be `[file(s) ...]`
2022-03-20 13:57:38	wyre	but if I extract them with the full path ... they will be always inside the target local folder
2022-03-20 13:57:49	wyre	d/local/
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2022-03-20 14:06:12	thrice	bsdtar does zip files too, fwiw
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2022-03-20 14:06:27	teraflops	wyre: bsdtar has --strip-components, so I think bsdtar --strip-components=1 -xvf file.zip will skip the top directory creation unless I'm not getting it right
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2022-03-20 14:11:07	susi	I'd do it 7z e -ocustom_folder foo.zip :-)
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2022-03-20 14:21:06	wyre	susi, that won't preserve subfolders
2022-03-20 14:21:21	wyre	bsdtar suggestion from teraflops does apparently what I want 😉
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2022-03-20 14:21:51	susi	it does preserve subfolders
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2022-03-20 14:23:17	wyre	susi, not for me, it just extracts every single file inside custom_folder
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2022-03-20 14:24:57	jcelerier	hi :) 
2022-03-20 14:25:09	jcelerier	In my bios I set my cpu frequency multiplier so that I get 4ghz
2022-03-20 14:25:23	jcelerier	but cpufreq reports 3.2ghz max
2022-03-20 14:25:52	jcelerier	and anything I could try does not allow my system to get back its missing mhz 
2022-03-20 14:26:22	jcelerier	tried performance, userspace governors
2022-03-20 14:26:40	susi	wyre: https://0x0.st/oNj6.png (screenshot of text, because otherwise folders won't stand out)
2022-03-20 14:27:05	jcelerier	tried disabling speedstep and turbo boost in the bios
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2022-03-20 14:28:04	phaisedArray	jcelerier: Did you execute a single-threaded workload so the core could boost?
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2022-03-20 14:28:28	phaisedArray	What is the temperature?
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2022-03-20 14:28:51	phaisedArray	Turbo boost should be enabled.
2022-03-20 14:29:14	jcelerier	phaisedArray: no, I don't want turbo boost, I want full blast at full time (I have the cooling for it)
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2022-03-20 14:29:44	jcelerier	(this is because i'm benchmarking real-time stuff and I need the CPU to have as little frequency-changing magic as possible)
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2022-03-20 14:30:17	jcelerier	at 3.2ghz i'm at 25-26°
2022-03-20 14:31:51	phaisedArray	jcelerier: Maybe the BIOS didn't like the multiplier setting and fell back to a previous setting.
2022-03-20 14:32:09	jcelerier	hmm when I reboot I still see 40x in my bios
2022-03-20 14:32:59	Tom^	jcelerier: which cpu?
2022-03-20 14:33:05	jcelerier	Tom^: intel 6900k
2022-03-20 14:33:22	jcelerier	(to be clear, this worked fine a couple years ago on the same setup)
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2022-03-20 14:36:48	Earnestly	wyre: unzip can do it, without preserving the leading paths
2022-03-20 14:37:08	Earnestly	But you seem so sure that it can't, so I guess it can't
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2022-03-21 12:14:24	tsdh	Is there a way to revive a broken samba mount?  The VPN connection broke and after reconnecting, I can neither access nor umount it. :-(
2022-03-21 12:14:54	tsdh	Umounting blocks forever, it seems.
2022-03-21 12:15:05	grawity	see if `umount -f` works for samba, or if it's nfs-only
2022-03-21 12:15:22	grawity	other than that, umount -l and it'll disappear while trying to umount in background
2022-03-21 12:15:35	grawity	which it'll do a good few minutes later because the timeouts are stupid long
2022-03-21 12:15:43	tsdh	grawity: umount -f says "target is busy"
2022-03-21 12:16:56	tsdh	Ok, I've tried -l and wait a few minutes before trying to access it again.  Anything is better than a restart.
2022-03-21 12:23:48	bug2000	mpan, Do it. https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/72931?project=5&string=hedgewars -271. Now I remember why I didn't keep it installed.
2022-03-21 12:23:49	phrik	Title: FS#72931 : [hedgewars] Drop hedgewars server and haskell dep with it (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-03-21 12:24:39	jelle	lol that bug report
2022-03-21 12:28:42	weltio	m00n: snd_intel8x0 is the module in use - maybee that helps?
2022-03-21 12:34:41	Blutkoete	I noticed on a computer that didn't run Arch for ~4 weeks that now the encrypt hook shows me the password entry, but it ignores my first few key strokes, even though the keyboard hook is before the encrypt hook. I basically have to type my decryption password twice because I never know when the password prompt started to accept my key presses. The same computer & keyboard did not show that
2022-03-21 12:34:41	Blutkoete	behaviour before. 
2022-03-21 12:34:41	Blutkoete	Any idea how to solve or debug this?
2022-03-21 12:37:23	grawity	is it a Dell on UEFI?
2022-03-21 12:37:45	Blutkoete	No, a Capitva with a Razer Black Widow
2022-03-21 12:38:26	Blutkoete	It's not an grave issue once I realized it, but I'd like to find out what the problem is.
2022-03-21 12:38:27	grawity	regarding hook order, I actually switched to systemd initramfs a while ago, both on PCs and servers, to avoid having to worry about orders and delays
2022-03-21 12:38:56	Blutkoete	grawity: I might give it a shot, I've been being old-style there on all my computers for a long time.
2022-03-21 12:40:12	Blutkoete	I'm just confused because that problem never appeared before
2022-03-21 12:42:26	Blutkoete	Is there a nice guide somewhere how to collect debugging information from initramfs?
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2022-03-21 12:48:52	weltio	m00n: interesting: amixer doesn't save settings - e.g. amixer sset 'Master' 50% returns 50% and afterwards "amixer" tells 0%
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2022-03-21 12:48:56	weltio	that could be the issue
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2022-03-22 15:27:51	flower__	Namarrgon: do you know if PKGBUILD can handle multiple entry_points in setup.cfg?
2022-03-22 15:30:59	Scimmia	flower__: what does a PKGBUILD have to do with it? It's just running commands in bash
2022-03-22 15:34:32	flower__	Scimmia: ok
2022-03-22 15:55:40	Biswa96	In PKGBUILD file, if package_foo() and package_bar() written in that order, is there any guarantee that those functions will be executed in that order also?
2022-03-22 16:16:40	john_rambo	 I am looking for a video player that allows deleting files from the playlist ....What I mean is suppose I have added 1.mp4, 2.mp4, 3.mp4 and so on. If I delete 1.mp4 from the playlist the file must get deleted from my hard drive too. Not only from the playlist .... Is there such a video player ?
2022-03-22 16:20:38	Erus_Iluvatar	john_rambo: is that not an option in smplayer ? 
2022-03-22 16:20:51	Erus_Iluvatar	preferences, playlist, something ? 
2022-03-22 16:22:02	john_rambo	Erus_Iluvatar: Found it ....Thanks
2022-03-22 16:22:21	Erus_Iluvatar	!next
2022-03-22 16:22:21	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-03-22 16:31:45	lendun	I have a GUI app I'm making an AUR package for that requires root to function. would the best way to include authentication be just including a polkit action or is it something else?
2022-03-22 16:32:54	Scimmia	yeah, polkit is the way. See the gparted package for an example
2022-03-22 16:33:39	lendun	arch has polkit included by default, right?
2022-03-22 16:33:44	lendun	since systemd
2022-03-22 16:33:56	lendun	*because
2022-03-22 16:33:56	Scimmia	nope
2022-03-22 16:34:17	lendun	...why did I think that
2022-03-22 16:34:33	lendun	anyways, just include polkit in dependencies and I should be fine?
2022-03-22 16:34:43	demonicmaniac1	it's optional for systemd, it's mandatory for pulseaudio
2022-03-22 16:34:52	Scimmia	yeah, that should work
2022-03-22 16:35:22	BoBeR182	is there a way to use modprobe without rebooting?
2022-03-22 16:35:27	BoBeR182	after a kernel update
2022-03-22 16:35:40	grawity	downgrade the kernel, or extract its /usr/lib/modules
2022-03-22 16:35:59	grawity	or really use 'kernel-modules-hook' to automatically keep current modules
2022-03-22 16:36:20	BoBeR182	Thing is I plugged in a new device after updating
2022-03-22 16:36:28	BoBeR182	so now it won't be recognized
2022-03-22 16:36:44	grawity	#include "previous_answer"
2022-03-22 16:37:04	BoBeR182	so downgrade then update after loading the device
2022-03-22 16:38:01	grawity	downgrade, reconnect the device, install kernel-modules-hook, upgrade again
2022-03-22 16:38:24	BoBeR182	Thanks grawity 
2022-03-22 16:49:02	lendun	for said GUI app, I also want the package to add a menu entry. do I just use xdg_menu to do that?
2022-03-22 16:58:13	ronan__	anyone here use arch
2022-03-22 16:58:14	ronan__	i use arch btw
2022-03-22 16:58:29	Scimmia	!give ronan__ as
2022-03-22 16:58:29	phrik	ronan__: Arch Sucks™
2022-03-22 16:58:35	ronan__	excuse me
2022-03-22 16:58:38	ronan__	whats that
2022-03-22 16:58:39	ronan__	what did u do
2022-03-22 16:58:49	ronan__	arch is pogger
2022-03-22 16:59:11	ronan__	beans
2022-03-22 16:59:19	archlinux	yes
2022-03-22 16:59:21	thrice	!enter
2022-03-22 16:59:21	phrik	Please type full, complete sentences and use the enter key less. It aids readability and helps others follow the conversation.
2022-03-22 17:00:34	mpan	It seems they types /QUIT and pressed enter early. \o/
2022-03-22 17:02:41	lendun	what would I have to do in order to get a package to add a menu entry to DE's/window managers?
2022-03-22 17:04:05	thrice	usually a .desktop file, that ends up in /usr/share/applications/
2022-03-22 17:05:36	lendun	so just bundle a .desktop file with the package and install it to /usr/share/applications?
2022-03-22 17:06:41	lendun	would I also have to run update-desktop-database as part of the PKGBUILD?
2022-03-22 17:07:54	thrice	no, pacman has hooks to do that these days
2022-03-22 17:08:08	thrice	see: /usr/share/libalpm/hooks/update-desktop-database.hook, for example
2022-03-22 17:08:45	lendun	okay, thanks
2022-03-22 17:15:56	driftingstranger	Hello. My wifi stopped working after a recent update. I can ping google.com, and if I do a pacman -Sy, the transfer starts at around 50 KiB/s and rapidly declines and stops completely, and pinging results in Temporary failure in name resolution.
2022-03-22 17:16:10	Edu4rdSHL	mpan, they type /left instead :p
2022-03-22 17:16:28	mpan	True, it was a part, not a quit. My bad
2022-03-22 17:16:54	Edu4rdSHL	driftingstranger, a few things: 1) Never do -Sy. 2) Post your journal logs
2022-03-22 17:17:35	driftingstranger	After a few minutes, I can ping again. Wifi works fine on an installation image.
2022-03-22 17:18:37	driftingstranger	I can't post anything from the machine because the network keeps doing.
2022-03-22 17:20:23	Edu4rdSHL	There's always a way, without logs we can't know what your problem is
2022-03-22 17:21:35	mpan	If it starts at 50KiB/s and maintains that for a second, it’s more than enough to upload the logs.
2022-03-22 17:22:15	driftingstranger	Ok, I'll try when it starts working again.
2022-03-22 17:22:29	mpan	It works right now, if you can IRC?
2022-03-22 17:22:36	driftingstranger	I've tried downgrading the kernel but that didn't fix it.
2022-03-22 17:22:46	driftingstranger	I'm on my phone
2022-03-22 17:23:35	mpan	Copy to your phone and upload from it?
2022-03-22 17:23:55	driftingstranger	How, without network?
2022-03-22 17:24:23	driftingstranger	Oh, i get it
2022-03-22 17:24:24	mpan	MicroSD?
2022-03-22 17:24:28	Edu4rdSHL	ssh?
2022-03-22 17:24:30	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-03-22 17:24:44	Edu4rdSHL	journalctl -r -n 1000
2022-03-22 17:24:44	driftingstranger	Heheh, yeah
2022-03-22 17:24:47	Edu4rdSHL	That would be fine
2022-03-22 17:31:26	driftingstranger	https://pastebin.com/0SkfD52v
2022-03-22 17:31:26	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oNwk.txt
2022-03-22 17:31:27	phrik	Title: journal - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-03-22 17:31:52	Bayes	is there good way to hear myself to see how the mic is picking up my voice and noise here?
2022-03-22 17:32:21	Bayes	also, is there any good program to adjust all in and out sound settings? ive been using the command line for basic stuff but I really need to up my game for online meetings
2022-03-22 17:33:22	mpan	Edu4rdSHL: ↑
2022-03-22 17:34:05	Edu4rdSHL	dhcpcd[1018]: received SIGTERM, stopping
2022-03-22 17:34:14	Edu4rdSHL	Something is killing dhcpcd
2022-03-22 17:34:42	jonathon	phrik is statically addressed
2022-03-22 17:34:42	phrik	Without-a-doubt true.
2022-03-22 17:34:43	Edu4rdSHL	driftingstranger, do you have any other dhcp client enabled? Something like NetworkManager?
2022-03-22 17:36:02	Edu4rdSHL	Or systemd-networkd
2022-03-22 17:36:14	driftingstranger	No. I use netctl.
2022-03-22 17:37:06	driftingstranger	How do I check if systemd-networkd is running?
2022-03-22 17:37:19	Edu4rdSHL	systemctl status systemd-networkd
2022-03-22 17:37:26	kek_	hi
2022-03-22 17:40:18	driftingstranger	It says loaded: loaded; active: inactive (dead)
2022-03-22 17:41:10	Edu4rdSHL	systemctl is-enabled systemd-networkd
2022-03-22 17:41:39	driftingstranger	Disabled
2022-03-22 17:43:21	Edu4rdSHL	Well, the thing is that there's something killing dhcp, you need to find out what, I think. 
2022-03-22 17:43:36	driftingstranger	I've also tried downgrading systemd and systemd-sysvcompat, but that didn't help either
2022-03-22 17:43:44	Edu4rdSHL	I recommend using something else for wifi, like systemd-networkd + iwd, or NetworkManager
2022-03-22 17:43:52	mpan	driftingstranger: any GUI apps that let you configure network?
2022-03-22 17:44:01	Edu4rdSHL	driftingstranger, systemd has nothing to be with the dhcp kill for sure
2022-03-22 17:44:01	driftingstranger	What could be killing it?
2022-03-22 17:44:15	Edu4rdSHL	A custom service?
2022-03-22 17:44:20	Edu4rdSHL	A custom script?
2022-03-22 17:44:26	driftingstranger	Any don't have any gui network apps installed
2022-03-22 17:45:13	Edu4rdSHL	driftingstranger, try `systemctl log-level debug`, reproduce the problem and upload the logs again
2022-03-22 17:45:26	lendun	okay, so I'm downloading sources from github via the releases page
2022-03-22 17:45:48	Bayes	I've set this up http://ix.io/3TbH following the wiki but I'm not sure it really makes a difference https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PulseAudio#Possible_'aec_args'_for_'aec_method=webrtc'
2022-03-22 17:45:50	phrik	Title: PulseAudio - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-22 17:46:03	lendun	for some reason, when I download via a web browser it saves as "DumpsterU-1.0.1.tar.gz" (which is the format the PKGBUILD expects, right?)
2022-03-22 17:46:19	lendun	but if I put it into the source variable, it just downloads as "v1.0.1.tar.gz"
2022-03-22 17:46:27	Edu4rdSHL	lendun, context
2022-03-22 17:47:07	lendun	i'm trying to make a PKGBUILD and the source isn't downloading with the correct name format
2022-03-22 17:47:20	Edu4rdSHL	What's the PKGBUILD
2022-03-22 17:47:34	lendun	give me a minute
2022-03-22 17:47:55	Edu4rdSHL	And source=() just follows the Github release redirections and put the file there, unless something else is specified
2022-03-22 17:48:00	Edu4rdSHL	sources=() *
2022-03-22 17:48:23	lendun	!paste https://ghostbin.com/DQ7hn
2022-03-22 17:48:24	phrik	lendun: No idea
2022-03-22 17:48:28	lendun	weöö
2022-03-22 17:48:29	lendun	well
2022-03-22 17:48:41	lendun	I guess follow the link
2022-03-22 17:48:58	lendun	I haven't used IRC enough to know how this works
2022-03-22 17:49:17	Namarrgon	!ix
2022-03-22 17:49:18	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-03-22 17:49:28	Edu4rdSHL	source=("https://github.com/GaryOderNichts/DumpsterU/archive/refs/tags/v1.0.1.tar.gz")
2022-03-22 17:49:46	Edu4rdSHL	lendun, if you do curl -LO https://github.com/GaryOderNichts/DumpsterU/archive/refs/tags/v1.0.1.tar.gz you get v1.0.1.tar.gz
2022-03-22 17:50:32	lendun	hm, how do I get it to save the file in the correct format then?
2022-03-22 17:50:36	Edu4rdSHL	Some recommendations: don't use hardcoded versions in the PKGBUILD's sources
2022-03-22 17:51:06	Edu4rdSHL	lendun, that's the correct format
2022-03-22 17:51:08	Namarrgon	you can make makepkg rename the file, look at the PKGBUILD manual
2022-03-22 17:51:25	lendun	hardcoded versions? does that mean I should direct download the repo?
2022-03-22 17:51:27	Edu4rdSHL	Did you mean the one with the name thing? Then source=("DumpsterU-1.0.1.tar.gz::https://github.com/GaryOderNichts/DumpsterU/archive/refs/tags/v1.0.1.tar.gz")
2022-03-22 17:51:45	Namarrgon	yes but you can use $pkgver, so you don't hardcode it
2022-03-22 17:52:17	Edu4rdSHL	lendun, that means that you should use something like: source=("DumpsterU-${pkgver}.tar.gz::https://github.com/GaryOderNichts/DumpsterU/archive/refs/tags/v${pkgver}.tar.gz")
2022-03-22 17:52:33	lendun	ah
2022-03-22 17:52:40	lendun	using variables makes sense in hindsight
2022-03-22 17:53:17	Edu4rdSHL	That way you only update the pkgver variable the next time, instead of the sources=() strings too
2022-03-22 17:57:01	driftingstranger	https://pastebin.com/qRYNZdph
2022-03-22 17:57:02	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oNw7.txt
2022-03-22 17:57:02	phrik	Title: journal - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-03-22 18:00:35	driftingstranger	What could be sending SIGTERM to dhcpcd?
2022-03-22 18:01:55	Edu4rdSHL	driftingstranger, you didn't used `systemctl log-level debug` before reproducing the problem and uploading the logs
2022-03-22 18:02:02	mpan	driftingstranger: do you by any chance have more than one dhcpcd started? Not asking about processes, as there will be multiple, but e.g. the service and manually started dhcpcd?
2022-03-22 18:03:06	driftingstranger	I did the loglevel thing but then I had to reboot to get the network working again
2022-03-22 18:03:30	driftingstranger	I'm not manually starting dhcpcd, no
2022-03-22 18:03:40	Edu4rdSHL	Well, that disables the log-level thing
2022-03-22 18:03:47	driftingstranger	I see
2022-03-22 18:03:58	Edu4rdSHL	Honestly i have years not using dhcpcd, just try to use something better
2022-03-22 18:04:22	Edu4rdSHL	iwd + systemd-networkd is a very good option as well as NetworkManager
2022-03-22 18:04:55	driftingstranger	Okay
2022-03-22 18:05:02	driftingstranger	Thanks
2022-03-22 18:09:54	edgy	Hi, in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA_Optimus, it's mentioned to add "xrandr --setprovideroutputsource modesetting NVIDIA-0" but it's not mentioned why it's needed. Is it needed even for wayland or only X11?
2022-03-22 18:11:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-22 18:11:28	Edu4rdSHL	xrandr is obviously a Xorg thing
2022-03-22 18:11:34	◣	Bakerboy (~gordy@84.69.224.98) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-03-22 18:11:40	Edu4rdSHL	I doubt that it will work on Wayland.
2022-03-22 18:12:11	rsaavedra	Hi. I am confused about ssh-agent.service in systemd. I have disabled it manually, but it autostarts anyways on reboot I don't know why. Any ideas?
2022-03-22 18:12:22	Edu4rdSHL	And it's clearly mentioned why it's needed: "Use NVIDIA graphics only"
2022-03-22 18:12:24	mpan	rsaavedra: how did you disable it?
2022-03-22 18:12:46	rsaavedra	mpar: systemctl --global disable ssh-agent
2022-03-22 18:13:04	Edu4rdSHL	rsaavedra, firt: how do you get ssh-agent.service ?
2022-03-22 18:13:05	mpan	rsaavedra: ssh-agent is started each time something requires it, isn’t it?
2022-03-22 18:13:12	Edu4rdSHL	That is not in any package
2022-03-22 18:13:22	Edu4rdSHL	?wtf ssh-agent.service
2022-03-22 18:13:23	@EMIYA	Edu4rdSHL: no results for 'ssh-agent.service'
2022-03-22 18:13:51	mpan	Hmm… true.
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2022-03-22 18:14:44	rsaavedra	mpan: I suspect it is because of pam-gnupg from the AUR
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2022-03-22 18:17:17	ℹ 	Tema establecido por phrik (~phrik@phrik.archlinux.org) el dom, 06 feb 2022 22:28:56
2022-03-22 18:17:17	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1523 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1522 normals)
2022-03-22 18:17:17	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-03-22 18:17:20	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-03-22 18:17:20	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-03-22 18:17:20	gannymac	I have a boatload of python2 packages listed in -Qm. Sorry for the basic question, but how I do I see which packages are depending on these? -Qi will say "Installed as a dependency for another package" but unhelpfully doesn't say which package(s).
2022-03-22 18:17:38	gannymac	(AUR packages, to be clear)
2022-03-22 18:18:08	Scimmia	-Qi will tell you what it's required by, pactree will give you the whole dep tree
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2022-03-22 18:18:43	gannymac	so like this? pactree -u python2-zipp 
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2022-03-22 18:19:05	Scimmia	you likely need to reverse it
2022-03-22 18:19:22	Scimmia	and I wouldn't use -u
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2022-03-22 18:19:43	ℹ 	veegee_ es conocido ahora como veegee
2022-03-22 18:19:57	Edu4rdSHL	Also `pacman -Qo /usr/lib/python2.7/` will give you an idea
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2022-03-22 18:23:22	Erus_Iluvatar	You could also take a look at the output of pacman -Qdt : all the packages it will display were installed as a dependency but are no longer required by any still installed package
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2022-03-22 18:26:08	gannymac	Thanks. pacman -Qdt is empty at the moment because I cleared it out recently. `pacman -Qo /usr/lib/python2.7/` seems to just show me which python2 packages are in the system, but not much else.
2022-03-22 18:26:32	gannymac	Still working on understanding the dep tree for python2.
2022-03-22 18:27:33	korrat	I think pacman -Qi has a section needed-by, that only considers your system
2022-03-22 18:28:09	Scimmia	it also only gives one level
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2022-03-22 18:32:29	cc0a3hr	anyone knows how can i install this ? https://github.com/dino/dino/wiki/Distribution-Packages
2022-03-22 18:32:35	cc0a3hr	i can't install this on arch
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2022-03-22 18:33:16	ℹ 	Vaporeon es conocido ahora como Hecatia
2022-03-22 18:33:18	Edu4rdSHL	pacman -S dino
2022-03-22 18:33:30	cc0a3hr	didn't work
2022-03-22 18:33:37	Edu4rdSHL	Why
2022-03-22 18:33:40	cc0a3hr	that is why im asking for help lol
2022-03-22 18:33:42	cc0a3hr	i do not know
2022-03-22 18:33:47	cc0a3hr	it should work but not working
2022-03-22 18:33:53	◣	hok7z (~hok7z@user/hok7z) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-03-22 18:33:58	Edu4rdSHL	? Nonsense
2022-03-22 18:34:07	Khorne	You couldn't provide more useless information if you tried..
2022-03-22 18:34:11	Edu4rdSHL	What are you trying to do and what error are you getting
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2022-03-22 18:34:46	Scimmia	!give cc0a3hr errors
2022-03-22 18:34:47	phrik	cc0a3hr: Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2022-03-22 18:34:47	cc0a3hr	error: dino not found
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2022-03-22 18:34:57	teraflops	heh
2022-03-22 18:34:57	Scimmia	cc0a3hr: what distro?
2022-03-22 18:35:00	cc0a3hr	artix
2022-03-22 18:35:08	Khorne	Blame your distro then
2022-03-22 18:35:13	Scimmia	!give cc0a3hr notarch
2022-03-22 18:35:13	phrik	cc0a3hr: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
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2022-03-22 18:36:20	cc0a3hr	artix is also arch
2022-03-22 18:36:23	cc0a3hr	basically same without systemd
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2022-03-22 18:36:34	Edu4rdSHL	No, it isn't.
2022-03-22 18:36:36	Khorne	Basically the same except it doesn't work
2022-03-22 18:36:41	Scimmia	cc0a3hr: read the link
2022-03-22 18:36:42	Edu4rdSHL	Ask your distro for support, good luck.
2022-03-22 18:37:23	teraflops	well, fwiw it works on arch linux
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2022-03-22 18:37:25	edgy	Edu4rdSHL: you will doubt what? nvidia-only working in wayland or xrandr xrandr work in wayland?
2022-03-22 18:37:38	gannymac	Ah, I think this is helpful: `pactree -r python2` is only listing python2 packages. So they're just relying on each other. But there isn't another package (like inkscape) relying on them
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2022-03-22 18:37:41	Edu4rdSHL	xrandr working on wayland, edgy 
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2022-03-22 18:38:11	Oddmonger	hello, since several days, Team™ doesn't start anymore: after a big blank filled rect, i get a window with purple background, and that's all
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2022-03-22 18:38:36	Edu4rdSHL	Oddmonger, what's Team™ ?
2022-03-22 18:38:47	teraflops	MS thingy?
2022-03-22 18:38:55	Edu4rdSHL	That would be Teams, I guess
2022-03-22 18:39:00	Oddmonger	microsoft-teams , for meetings with your corporates sponsors
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2022-03-22 18:39:17	Edu4rdSHL	Oddmonger, which package are you using?
2022-03-22 18:39:31	Oddmonger	aur/teams
2022-03-22 18:39:42	Khorne	Broken due to glibc
2022-03-22 18:39:50	Khorne	Blame MS or electron or both
2022-03-22 18:39:51	Edu4rdSHL	Did you read the comments?
2022-03-22 18:39:51	Oddmonger	ah
2022-03-22 18:40:10	Oddmonger	yes i have read the comments, but didn't see anything about libc
2022-03-22 18:40:34	Edu4rdSHL	How so? It's in the pinned comment...
2022-03-22 18:40:37	◣	igemnace (~ian@user/igemnace) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-03-22 18:40:37	Khorne	Except for the pinned comment?
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2022-03-22 18:41:07	Khorne	Which explains the issue *and* the workaround :')
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2022-03-22 18:41:37	Oddmonger	ah sh*t really i have skipped it
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2022-03-22 18:41:51	Oddmonger	i was searching about compositing , i was sure it was that
2022-03-22 18:42:15	Oddmonger	as i don't have the same issue if i run it with/without xcompmgr
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2022-03-22 18:42:31	Oddmonger	even running it with prime-run doesn't give the same result
2022-03-22 18:42:47	Oddmonger	but anyway, thank you for pinning it :þ
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2022-03-22 18:47:03	edgy	Edu4rdSHL: ok, then we don't need those lines for wayland and it works in nvidia-only mode properly? shouldn't this be documented?
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2022-03-22 18:56:26	lendun	I took a look at the cmake package guidelines, and it mentions using the cmake -B option
2022-03-22 18:56:56	lendun	however, in the prototype PKGBUILD, the build function seems to just build in the extracted source directory
2022-03-22 18:57:19	lendun	should I still make a build directory or can I ignore the -B option?
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2022-03-22 19:02:39	LaserEyess	lendun: -B is good practice imo, but it doesn't particularly matter for a pkgbuild
2022-03-22 19:03:09	LaserEyess	though it's funny that the docs contradict
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2022-03-22 19:05:51	lendun	LaserEyess: yeah
2022-03-22 19:06:01	lendun	maybe someone should edit that
2022-03-22 19:06:08	driftingstranger	My wifi kept dying with netctl, so I uninstalled it and installed network manager instead, but I still get the same result
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2022-03-22 19:07:28	teraflops	something enlightening in journal? 
2022-03-22 19:07:34	Namarrgon	nm doesn't fix driver bugs, or physical limitations
2022-03-22 19:07:39	driftingstranger	https://pastebin.com/HhWsnZ0g
2022-03-22 19:07:40	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oNxt.txt
2022-03-22 19:07:40	phrik	Title: journal - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2022-03-22 19:08:28	driftingstranger	It's a software issue, because it appeared after a recent update, and wifi works fine with an install USB.
2022-03-22 19:08:49	Namarrgon	"tree /etc/systemd/system"
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2022-03-22 19:09:41	driftingstranger	Previously something kept sending SIGTERM to dhcpcd.
2022-03-22 19:09:56	driftingstranger	I don't have tree installed
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2022-03-22 19:12:55	driftingstranger	Ok, i managed to install tree
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2022-03-22 19:14:40	driftingstranger	https://pastebin.com/0kaxqrFj
2022-03-22 19:14:41	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oNx3.txt
2022-03-22 19:14:41	phrik	Title: system - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2022-03-22 19:16:21	Namarrgon	can you post the kernel log for the period where the wifi went down?
2022-03-22 19:16:48	driftingstranger	How do I get the kernel log?
2022-03-22 19:17:07	Namarrgon	"dmesg"
2022-03-22 19:17:13	teraflops	or journalctl -k
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2022-03-22 19:21:59	driftingstranger	https://pastebin.com/Q0MrEFNh
2022-03-22 19:22:00	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oNx6.txt
2022-03-22 19:22:00	phrik	Title: dmesg - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2022-03-22 19:22:25	driftingstranger	That's the whole thing
2022-03-22 19:24:17	Namarrgon	is bluetooth in use when this happens?
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2022-03-22 19:24:17	driftingstranger	I've never used Bluetooth
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2022-03-22 19:24:17	Namarrgon	is anyone else close by using bt?
2022-03-22 19:24:23	driftingstranger	It might be enabled, i don't know
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2022-03-22 19:24:33	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-03-22 19:24:51	driftingstranger	No, I'm alone in this floor
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2022-03-22 19:26:58	driftingstranger	systemctl --type=service doesn't show anything Bluetooth related
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2022-03-22 19:27:24	Namarrgon	it's okay
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2022-03-22 19:28:23	Namarrgon	https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215703
2022-03-22 19:28:35	driftingstranger	The upgrade that broke the wifi did have an update to bluez-libs though, idk if that could be relevant
2022-03-22 19:28:36	Namarrgon	try to downgrade back to 5.16.14
2022-03-22 19:29:03	driftingstranger	I've tried that, didn't work
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2022-03-22 19:29:21	mefistofeles	driftingstranger: it might be the linux firmware splitting thing, did you check that? Maybe you need one of the splitted packages for the wifi to work
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2022-03-22 19:29:50	mefistofeles	oh, I see it's ath9k, so it's probably not that, nvm
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2022-03-22 19:30:23	driftingstranger	Can you give me any resources on that?
2022-03-22 19:30:36	mefistofeles	driftingstranger: it's on the news in the website
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2022-03-22 19:31:25	mefistofeles	though, it's been a while since that happened, it's probably not related
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2022-03-22 19:32:33	driftingstranger	Yeah, doesn't seem relevant. Network started acting up end of last week.
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2022-03-22 19:33:39	samuraibsd	I'm having some trouble using L2TP/IPSec to connect to an appliance at work. I have attempted to follow the information on the wiki, but I get failures in openswan, strongswan and libreswan. running nm-l2tp-service --debug reveals the following log https://pastebin.com/UgQxPP45
2022-03-22 19:33:40	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oNxG.txt
2022-03-22 19:33:40	phrik	Title: debug output - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-03-22 19:33:59	samuraibsd	and journalctl shows the following https://pastebin.com/41LnhtfY
2022-03-22 19:34:00	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oNxD.txt
2022-03-22 19:34:00	phrik	Title: journalctl-output - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-03-22 19:34:02	driftingstranger	It has to be some version of one ore more packages doing this, because wifi works just fine on an old install USB
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2022-03-22 19:36:07	samuraibsd	At this point I'm unsure of where else to look, since it appears that I get a response from the appliance and then it isn't able to proceed further.
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2022-03-23 16:39:06	thurstylark	Scimmia: works on a fresh user
2022-03-23 16:39:24	Scimmia	thurstylark: so you know it's something in your home dir
2022-03-23 16:40:13	thurstylark	oh shit my cache dir is owned by root wtf
2022-03-23 16:41:02	Scimmia	lendun: build fails: cryptopp/sha.h: No such file or directory
2022-03-23 16:41:30	thurstylark	*sigh* yeah, that did it
2022-03-23 16:42:17	lendun	Scimmia: works for me. try installing crypto++
2022-03-23 16:42:57	noobaroo	How does qemu compare to virtualbox?
2022-03-23 16:43:29	Scimmia	lendun: you're really missing deps. Added that, now can't find gtkmm.h
2022-03-23 16:43:36	noobaroo	Also, what exactly is a container, I hear this might be a better solution?
2022-03-23 16:44:25	Scimmia	lendun: I'm guessing gtkmm should be gtkmm3?
2022-03-23 16:45:24	Scimmia	and now missing libxml++/libxml++.h
2022-03-23 16:45:28	Scimmia	!bail
2022-03-23 16:45:28	phrik	Looks like Scimmia is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-03-23 16:53:05	Scimmia	lendun: I don't see an install target in the makefile, so this may not be meant to be installed system-wide
2022-03-23 16:56:36	Scimmia	If it doens't need any external resources, you can just install the binary to /usr/bin
2022-03-23 17:01:09	noobaroo	Sorry I guess 
2022-03-23 17:05:03	Visne	Since when is it against the rules to ask for software recommendations
2022-03-23 17:09:25	lendun	Scimmia: yeah, this was originally just an app meant to be run from the current working directory
2022-03-23 17:10:56	lendun	there's no arch linux release for it so I thought packaging it may be a good idea
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2022-03-23 17:42:25	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-23 17:49:59	rawktucc	Hi, question... can the arch linux live ISO be used to chroot into an arch linux ARM installation; as in, can a chroot be done between different installations of different architectures?
2022-03-23 17:50:28	Namarrgon	no, that won't work between architectures
2022-03-23 17:50:35	DilithiumNO3	absolutely not
2022-03-23 17:50:55	DilithiumNO3	you still have the same kernel and CPU there
2022-03-23 17:51:02	rawktucc	right. dammit
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2022-03-23 17:51:13	rawktucc	Is there a way to use the arch live iso, or even an active arch install, to change passwd for a differing architecture install?
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2022-03-23 17:51:27	DilithiumNO3	now, that... possibly
2022-03-23 17:51:39	Namarrgon	passwd has a --root option
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2022-03-23 17:51:53	rawktucc	My host is arch, i have a pi on ARM. I know that ARM is not supported here, so I'm only asking for solutions using arch x86_64 stuff
2022-03-23 17:52:15	rawktucc	Namarrgon, I don't have root or sudo passwords unfortunately. Can't remember root, and I changed the local user password (but it's not accepted for some reason)...
2022-03-23 17:52:35	Namarrgon	the passwd on your arch system has a --root option
2022-03-23 17:52:37	DilithiumNO3	ah, yeah, that's what I was thinking of
2022-03-23 17:52:46	rawktucc	I have SSH access to the pi though
2022-03-23 17:52:53	rawktucc	oh i see, passwd can chroot
2022-03-23 17:53:01	DilithiumNO3	not chroot
2022-03-23 17:53:21	DilithiumNO3	mount the ALARM root and use passwd --root <mountpoint>
2022-03-23 17:53:23	rawktucc	-R, --root CHROOT_DIR         directory to chroot into < not chroot explicitly but "change root directory"
2022-03-23 17:53:32	rawktucc	alright, let's try this
2022-03-23 17:53:39	rawktucc	but how do i shutdown without sudo...
2022-03-23 17:54:11	DilithiumNO3	instead of /etc/shadow it'll use <mountpoint>/etc/shadow
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2022-03-23 17:55:31	DilithiumNO3	ext4 is reasonably resilient, your Pi should be fine if you just cut the juice
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2022-03-23 17:55:43	DilithiumNO3	unless you disabled journaling or something
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2022-03-23 17:58:57	drop	rawktucc: Can you change the kernel options during boot? If so, maybe just add something like init=/bin/bash, mount root and change the password.
2022-03-23 17:58:58	Edu4rdSHL	rawktucc, why not just use systemd.debug-shell=1 in your kernel parameters, go to TTY7 and change your root password there?
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2022-03-23 18:00:13	rawktucc	DilithiumNO3, when attempting to passwd --root on the x86 host, I get "passwd: Module is unknown"
2022-03-23 18:00:27	rawktucc	drop, Edu4rdSHL wasn't away of either of those options. will try them if I can't get this going
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2022-03-23 18:00:51	rawktucc	that said, can either of those be done without recompiling the kernel? because it's a different architecture itcomplicates tings
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2022-03-23 18:02:30	Edu4rdSHL	rawktucc, that's literally done in the raspberry pi
2022-03-23 18:02:31	Scimmia	rawktucc: both of those are local on the pi, nothing to do with a different architecture
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2022-03-23 18:04:22	rawktucc	Edu4rdSHL, I'm not sure where to make this change. the board is using uImage and just an initram image
2022-03-23 18:04:26	rawktucc	not grub
2022-03-23 18:04:39	DilithiumNO3	rawktucc: oh, i deadass forgot about PAM modules
2022-03-23 18:04:48	rawktucc	yeah Im seeing something PAM related here
2022-03-23 18:05:02	DilithiumNO3	but I thought passwd doesn't use the chosen root's modules... apparently it does
2022-03-23 18:05:14	rawktucc	audit: type=1108 audit(1648054950.324:458): pid=648516 uid=0 auid=1000 ses=1 msg='op=PAM:chauthtok grantors=? acct="rawktucc" exe="?" hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=failed'
2022-03-23 18:05:21	DilithiumNO3	well, your last option is kernel parameters
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2022-03-23 18:05:58	rawktucc	I'll search around for that since that's ALARM specific. Thanks for the help everyone :)
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2022-03-23 18:06:15	drop	Can you just plug your Pi's SD card into your other machine and edit the sudoers file?
2022-03-23 18:06:36	rawktucc	I can yes. But I don't have the only other account's user password
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2022-03-23 18:06:51	DilithiumNO3	init=/bin/bash, or systemd.unit=rescue.target or equivalent, that should help you
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2022-03-23 18:07:09	DilithiumNO3	wait, so you don't have both accounts' passwords?
2022-03-23 18:07:13	rawktucc	yes
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2022-03-23 18:07:19	DilithiumNO3	oh
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2022-03-23 18:07:31	rawktucc	I APPARENTLY foolishly didn't document the root password. and I just changed the local password, and for some reason it's not accepting it :/
2022-03-23 18:07:38	rawktucc	And Im sure capslock was off :/
2022-03-23 18:07:44	drop	Then just remove the password in /etc/passwd
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2022-03-23 18:07:54	Scimmia	if nothing else, manually editing /etc/shadow can work
2022-03-23 18:07:56	jonathon	or chroot in and change it
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2022-03-23 18:08:16	DilithiumNO3	right, editing /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow by hand should do it
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2022-03-23 18:08:50	phaise	Namarrgon: That worked, thanks. I had to pass some options and make some more helper scripts.
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2022-03-23 18:08:55	jonathon	(wait, you might already have tried the chroot approach, need to read back further than the last couple of lines)
2022-03-23 18:09:07	DilithiumNO3	you can generate a password for shadow from python, with the crypt module, if you want to set a new one immediately
2022-03-23 18:09:11	rawktucc	jonathon, cannot chroot due to differing system archetectures
2022-03-23 18:09:20	rawktucc	s/che/chi
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2022-03-23 18:09:47	jonathon	it is possible if you have qemu installed and some arm wrappers, but that's a bit of a faff to get set up
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2022-03-23 18:14:40	rawktucc	so the /etc/shadow trick works. thanks everybody :)
2022-03-23 18:15:04	rawktucc	wipe out everything from the first colon to the second colon, normally starting wtih $6 for SHA512
2022-03-23 18:15:13	rawktucc	that's probably the easiest option it would seem, in general
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2022-03-23 18:16:01	Psybur	Anybody use weechat-matrix? Cant seem to load matrix.py or use /matrix after installing it
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2022-03-23 18:16:07	Psybur	Am I missing something
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2022-03-23 18:21:24	DilithiumNO3	mine starts with $y, on my laptop's second Arch install anyway
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2022-03-23 18:21:44	DilithiumNO3	got a bigger SSD, started migrating but haven't finished
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2022-03-23 18:22:06	thurstylark	Psybur: I don't use that plugin now, but iirc there's a weird thing with the name of that script... 
2022-03-23 18:22:12	thurstylark	lemme give it a try real quick
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2022-03-23 18:22:36	Psybur	I loaded the matrix py out of /usr/share seems to work somewhat
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2022-03-23 18:22:46	Psybur	of course the encryption stuff is whats kickin my butt
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2022-03-23 18:24:23	Psybur	cant seem to verify myself in a private encrypted chat
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2022-03-23 18:26:51	thurstylark	apparently e2ee is handled by the /olm command
2022-03-23 18:27:07	thurstylark	https://github.com/poljar/weechat-matrix#helpful-commands
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2022-03-23 18:29:02	Psybur	yeah i was able to verify myself, still cant send messages because the other person is unverified, gotta figure that one out
2022-03-23 18:29:20	Psybur	Too bad weechat is the only client I can get working on aarch64 heh
2022-03-23 18:29:40	thurstylark	no electron?
2022-03-23 18:29:52	Psybur	Theres an arm64 build for syphon but it is segfaulting on me
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2022-03-23 18:31:42	Psybur	It says The following packages are not compatible with your architecture: element-desktop-git (element-web-git element-desktop-git)
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2022-03-23 18:31:54	Psybur	Ill try building it anyway! whats the worst that can happen i guess
2022-03-23 18:32:21	DilithiumNO3	not too much I imagine
2022-03-23 18:32:40	DilithiumNO3	not much bad, that is
2022-03-23 18:33:01	DilithiumNO3	but what about Fractal?
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2022-03-23 18:33:38	thurstylark	element also runs in a browser, but idk about public hosted instances...
2022-03-23 18:34:38	DilithiumNO3	Fractal is native, written in Rust and GTK
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2022-03-23 18:35:05	thurstylark	oh shit, it's just app.element.io :P
2022-03-23 18:35:37	Psybur	fractal doesnt do e2e encryption
2022-03-23 18:35:40	Psybur	tried it already
2022-03-23 18:36:14	DilithiumNO3	oh
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2022-03-23 18:39:48	DilithiumNO3	Psybur: idk, maybe if you build Element yourself and it works, then editing the PKGBUILD to include aarch64 should work as well
2022-03-23 18:40:26	DilithiumNO3	but hopefully you can get it to use an external Electron somehow
2022-03-23 18:40:38	DilithiumNO3	if not, building's gonna take a while 
2022-03-23 18:40:42	Psybur	didnt work, got some wonky errors about things not existing in /.cache/yay
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2022-03-23 18:42:49	Psybur	https://pastebin.com/VBBSBrD1 heres the output of the attempt if youre interested
2022-03-23 18:42:50	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oNIR.txt
2022-03-23 18:42:50	phrik	Title: $ yay -S element-desktop-git:: There are 2 providers available for element-des - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-03-23 18:42:52	Mete-	Good day everyone, is it possible to somehow make sound goes through a usb connected headset for zoom and other software but everything else uses the jack output? If yes, what should I look for?
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2022-03-23 18:44:22	thurstylark	Mete-: What sound system?
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2022-03-23 18:44:45	thurstylark	also, yes, totally possible, just gotta find the right instructions :P
2022-03-23 18:45:05	Mete-	thurstylark, sorry but what do you mean by sound system?
2022-03-23 18:45:25	jonathon	pavucontrol will let you set output per application, and Zoom's settings also let you pick a specific output device
2022-03-23 18:45:27	thurstylark	pulseaudio, alsa, pipewire, jack, etc
2022-03-23 18:45:54	Mete-	thurstylark, oh yeah, I think this is part of the question too
2022-03-23 18:46:20	Mete-	jonathon, nice, I use pavu control for audio on hdmi, didn't even thought about it!
2022-03-23 18:46:53	thurstylark	ahh, yeah, if you're using pavucontrol already, then you're using either pulse or pipewire with pipewire-pulse
2022-03-23 18:47:11	Mete-	so its pulseaudio
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2022-03-23 18:47:20	Mete-	I don't have pipewire here, any reason to install it?
2022-03-23 18:47:30	DilithiumNO3	pavucontrol is mainly for Pulseaudio but it's pretty capable of controlling Pipewire
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2022-03-23 18:48:45	thurstylark	Mete-: unless you need something specific that pulse can't do, then the only reason to switch now is to be ahead of the curve
2022-03-23 18:48:45	Mete-	perfect, I think thats it! Thanks for the help jonathon, thurstylark and DilithiumNO3 
2022-03-23 18:48:51	DilithiumNO3	Pipewire is way more plug and play, has lower latencies, can also handle video including screen capture (helpful for Wayland), and can replace JACK if you work with audio on that level
2022-03-23 18:49:09	thurstylark	pipewire will eventually usurp pulse, but both are still valid at the moment :)
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2022-03-23 18:49:20	Mete-	I don't think I want to mess with it now, I had issues making sound work on this notebook in the past
2022-03-23 18:49:28	DilithiumNO3	and EasyEffects (formerly PulseEffects) only supports Pipewire AFAIK
2022-03-23 18:49:32	Mete-	but in case I want to use pipewire, should I uninstall pulse?
2022-03-23 18:49:42	DilithiumNO3	yes, replace with pipewire-pulse
2022-03-23 18:49:51	Mete-	do I still need alsa?
2022-03-23 18:50:14	Mete-	I also have that sof-firmware package installed, but I guess thats something else?
2022-03-23 18:50:34	thurstylark	yeah, that's hardware stuff. that's still necessary regardless of which one you're using
2022-03-23 18:50:42	Mete-	alright, perfect
2022-03-23 18:50:48	DilithiumNO3	ALSA is kinda part of the kernel
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2022-03-23 18:51:08	DilithiumNO3	there's a bridge for ALSA clients too, if you need support for those
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2022-03-23 18:51:55	Hello71	rawktucc: google qemu binfmt
2022-03-23 18:52:43	DilithiumNO3	since Pipewire sorta takes over the ALSA devices in use by it, much like Pulseaudio
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2022-03-23 19:26:16	FatAlbert	hi
2022-03-23 19:26:24	FatAlbert	i want to install packettracer with paru 
2022-03-23 19:26:45	FatAlbert	it tells me it need a package that i already have in my current directory
2022-03-23 19:27:10	FatAlbert	==> ERROR: CiscoPacketTracer_811_Ubuntu_64bit.deb was not found in the build directory and is not a URL.
2022-03-23 19:27:10	Scimmia	It needs to be where the PKGBUILD is
2022-03-23 19:27:24	FatAlbert	how do i know where the PKGBUILD is with paru ? 
2022-03-23 19:27:25	Scimmia	or in SRCDEST, if you have that set
2022-03-23 19:27:34	Scimmia	why use paru?
2022-03-23 19:27:52	FatAlbert	because it resolves recursive AUR dependencies '
2022-03-23 19:28:38	Scimmia	packettracer doesn't have any aur deps
2022-03-23 19:30:01	FatAlbert	i don't use it only for packet tracer
2022-03-23 19:30:26	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-03-23 19:30:31	Scimmia	that's what's at issue here, though
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2022-03-23 19:32:16	FatAlbert	i eed to tell paru that i got the .deb file needed to build packettracer
2022-03-23 19:32:19	FatAlbert	do you know how to do it ? 
2022-03-23 19:32:52	Namarrgon	find out where it stores the PKGBUILD and drop the source there
2022-03-23 19:33:07	Namarrgon	in the long run you want to figure out how to use makepkg, though
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2022-03-23 19:33:46	FatAlbert	Namarrgon: a quick search at the man page landed me in ~/.cache/paru
2022-03-23 19:34:03	FatAlbert	but unfortunately copying the .deb file there still doesn't work
2022-03-23 19:34:26	Scimmia	smh
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2022-03-23 19:35:07	FatAlbert	ok problem solved ...
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2022-03-23 19:54:46	cc0a3hr	Guys how can I install this https://mupdf.com/ Im %100 beginner and do not know how to do it.
2022-03-23 19:54:47	phrik	Title: MuPDF (at mupdf.com)
2022-03-23 19:54:58	cc0a3hr	It is lightweight pdf viewer.
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2022-03-23 19:56:06	Edu4rdSHL	...
2022-03-23 19:56:17	◣	flower__ (~archie@217-123-218-6.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
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2022-03-23 19:56:23	Edu4rdSHL	Why you don't at leat search in the package repos with pacman?
2022-03-23 19:56:25	Edu4rdSHL	:)
2022-03-23 19:56:31	◣	flower_ (~archie@217-123-218-6.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-03-23 19:56:42	Edu4rdSHL	The package is called literally "mupdf"
2022-03-23 19:56:53	cc0a3hr	Edu4rdSHL, I want to learn the hard way so I can get experience.
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2022-03-23 19:57:11	Edu4rdSHL	What
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2022-03-23 19:57:24	teraflops	heh
2022-03-23 19:57:28	Edu4rdSHL	And learn "the hard way" is annoying the community with basic questions?
2022-03-23 19:57:34	Edu4rdSHL	learning*
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2022-03-23 20:00:17	teraflops	there's a wiki entry as well https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/MuPDF
2022-03-23 20:00:18	phrik	Title: MuPDF - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-03-23 20:01:05	astralc	.... he is trolling
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2022-03-23 20:01:21	teraflops	nah they are lazy
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2022-03-23 20:04:30	cc0a3hr	I think it is called compiling? how to compile stuff?
2022-03-23 20:04:40	teraflops	!why
2022-03-23 20:04:40	phrik	Because you touch yourself at night.
2022-03-23 20:05:27	Edu4rdSHL	cc0a3hr, read the archwiki.
2022-03-23 20:06:29	◣	hqdruxn08 (~hqdruxn08@user/hqdruxn08) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
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2022-03-23 20:06:40	astralc	read the arch wiki, consume the arch wiki, BE one with the arch wiki.
2022-03-23 20:06:50	◣	pmcnabb (~pmcnabb@user/pmcnabb) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-03-23 20:07:16	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+o phrik] por ChanServ
2022-03-23 20:07:21	Edu4rdSHL	!grab astralc 
2022-03-23 20:07:21	@phrik	Edu4rdSHL: Tada!
2022-03-23 20:07:39	◣	phrik ha expulsado cc0a3hr (troll elsewhere)
2022-03-23 20:07:53	gehidore	oops
2022-03-23 20:08:25	astralc	the robot uprising is starting!!!!
2022-03-23 20:08:48	Edu4rdSHL	phrik will control the world
2022-03-23 20:08:48	@phrik	Unsure that is possible .
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2022-03-23 20:09:10	baltazar	!turing
2022-03-23 20:09:10	⚡ 	phrik got one step closer to world domination
2022-03-23 20:09:28	astralc	the fact the is command for it is concerning
2022-03-23 20:10:21	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [-o phrik] por ChanServ
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2022-03-23 20:12:07	DeepDayze	Gotta love phrik....the best bot ever
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2022-03-23 20:14:09	phrik	awwwwe I resemble that remark
2022-03-23 20:14:49	teraflops	phrik: 🍎
2022-03-23 20:14:49	phrik	Nomnomnom
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2022-03-23 20:15:48	DeepDayze	LOL
2022-03-23 20:16:07	DeepDayze	:)
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2022-03-24 17:50:32	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-03-24 16:06:37	icar	I mount a WebDAVS location in /mnt/<name>. Is there a way to make <name> only exist when it's mounted? I don't want an empty folder that might fake to other programs the fact that the remote location is mounted there, such as when I don't have an internet connection
2022-03-24 16:11:15	Khorne	Create it before you mount, delete it after you unmount
2022-03-24 16:12:04	icar	The mountpoint is in the fstab. I want automation
2022-03-24 16:13:51	Khorne	Then create automation
2022-03-24 16:14:04	icar	Thanks for your helpful comments. lol.
2022-03-24 16:14:58	Khorne	icar, a systemd.mount unit could do it, if you give it the right dependencies I guess
2022-03-24 16:16:31	Khorne	Or a systemd.service that runs mount with ExecStartPre and ExecStopPost
2022-03-24 16:21:17	icar	I'll check how systemd.mount units work. Thank you very much :-)
2022-03-24 16:33:35	Edu4rdSHL	Is there an ETA about mesa reaching stable? It's being on testing for ~14 days without any bug report
2022-03-24 16:33:54	thrice	no
2022-03-24 16:34:23	thrice	there is never an ETA, as you are already aware :-)
2022-03-24 16:34:42	thursdaylark	!when
2022-03-24 16:34:42	phrik	When it's ready. ™
2022-03-24 16:34:54	Edu4rdSHL	:p Idk, maybe there was a reason about holding it so long this time 
2022-03-24 16:35:21	thrice	probably because it's a big release, and breaking people's displays is rude
2022-03-24 16:35:26	Gnea	don't they have a mailing list?
2022-03-24 17:50:03	NTSYSTEM	So, is Arch Linux really the best distro?
2022-03-24 17:50:32	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-24 17:50:45	teraflops	!best
2022-03-24 17:50:45	phrik	Use whatever suits _you_ best.
2022-03-24 17:51:14	Ghosthree3	(which happens to be arch)
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2022-03-24 18:09:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-24 18:13:11	ℹ 	suss` es conocido ahora como suss
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2022-03-24 18:16:33	Edu4rdSHL	!ass
2022-03-24 18:16:34	phrik	Arch *Strategically* Sucks™
2022-03-24 18:16:59	susi	any proper fine analysis on this strategic sucking anywhere?
2022-03-24 18:17:20	◥	indux (~Thunderbi@94.139.8.250) has joined #archlinux
2022-03-24 18:17:25	thursdaylark	nah, It just can't win at Risk
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2022-03-24 18:42:02	conr	how do i ignore in pacman when the `zfs-linux` repo that always wants the latest linux headers when arch isn't ready for them yet?
2022-03-24 18:42:27	conr	`sudo pacman -Syu --ignore=zfs-linux` doesn't work
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2022-03-24 18:43:02	susi	if I understood you right, you can add it in pacman.conf:s IgnorePkg
2022-03-24 18:43:28	conr	susi, yes but i'd like to do it with cli so its on-demand
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2022-03-24 18:45:43	Ghosthree3	conr: zfs-linux is an aur package
2022-03-24 18:45:44	susi	you can just pacman -Syu ignored-package after that
2022-03-24 18:45:56	Ghosthree3	his wrapper is trying to update it
2022-03-24 18:46:07	Ghosthree3	but if its a not dumb wrapper it should respect pacman.conf ignores
2022-03-24 18:46:37	Ghosthree3	or just use your helper's exclude feature each time
2022-03-24 18:46:40	conr	Ghosthree3: i'm pretty sure i added the `archzfs` repo.
2022-03-24 18:46:45	conr	no aur.
2022-03-24 18:46:59	Ghosthree3	...huh? pacman -Ss zfs shows no results
2022-03-24 18:47:11	thursdaylark	3rd party repo
2022-03-24 18:47:13	Ghosthree3	i can find a zfs-linux package in the aur though
2022-03-24 18:47:15	Ghosthree3	ah
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2022-03-24 18:47:26	Ghosthree3	my bad, i understand now
2022-03-24 18:47:33	susi	conr: I have kernel, headers and firefox in IgnorePkg, and I just -S(yu) ignored-package when I want to upgrade/istall them
2022-03-24 18:47:37	mizu	--ignore should.. work then?
2022-03-24 18:47:57	Ghosthree3	it should...
2022-03-24 18:48:14	conr	`sudo pacman -Syu --ignore=zfs-linux` produces...
2022-03-24 18:48:15	thursdaylark	!logs
2022-03-24 18:48:15	phrik	https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/General_troubleshooting#Additional_support
2022-03-24 18:48:23	thursdaylark	meh
2022-03-24 18:48:34	⚡ 	thursdaylark is too late anyways :P
2022-03-24 18:48:58	conr	warning: zfs-linux: ignoring package upgrade (2.1.3_5.16.14.arch1.1-1 => 2.1.3_5.16.15.arch1.1-1)
2022-03-24 18:49:17	conr	resolving dependencies... looking for conflicting packages...
2022-03-24 18:49:29	conr	error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies) :: installing linux (5.16.16.arch1-1) breaks dependency 'linux=5.16.14.arch1-1' required by zfs-linux
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2022-03-24 18:50:12	thursdaylark	so the ignore *did* work, there's just a versioned dep involved
2022-03-24 18:50:32	thursdaylark	that's a completely different issue
2022-03-24 18:50:41	mizu	^
2022-03-24 18:50:54	demonicmaniac1	you're also not ignoring a repo or dep handling you're ignoring the zfs package instead of the linux package
2022-03-24 18:51:21	conr	yeah so should i ignore the whole repo?
2022-03-24 18:51:34	thursdaylark	yeah, if you're ignoring a package that includes kernel modules, you should also ignore the kernel on which those modules are built
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2022-03-24 18:52:23	thursdaylark	pacman tells you the versioned dep that would be violated. I'd start by adding the mentioned package to your ignore list
2022-03-24 18:54:55	conr	ok i was hoping to have a cli cmd and not modify the ignore list.
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2022-03-24 18:56:06	thursdaylark	you can specify more than one package to ignore on the command line
2022-03-24 18:56:21	thursdaylark	"ignore list" in this context can be specified either way
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2022-03-24 18:59:24	conr	thursdaylark: how can i find the deps of `zfs-linux` with pacman?
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2022-03-24 19:00:25	thursdaylark	pactree from the pacman-contrib package is my tool of choice for that
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2022-03-24 19:00:43	thursdaylark	but idk what exactly you're looking for, so I'm not sure if that'll give you the info you need
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2022-03-24 19:01:09	jonathon	conr: to confirm from #zfsonlinux, if you want a matching kernel then archzfs maintains kernels for that purpose
2022-03-24 19:01:21	jonathon	(otherwise just use zfs-dkms)
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2022-03-24 19:05:45	conr	jonathon: oh ok, would removing the archzfs repo and installing zfs-dkms be all i need to do?
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2022-03-24 19:06:26	conr	would i have to `pacman -R zfs-linux`then re-install with `zfs-dkms`?
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2022-03-24 19:06:42	Rayyan	hello!
2022-03-24 19:07:09	Rayyan	i've just set up arch from scratch, replacing my fedora install
2022-03-24 19:07:18	river	nice
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2022-03-24 19:07:27	river	welcome to the last distro you'll 'hop to
2022-03-24 19:07:44	Rayyan	i have a question: what's the best software to automatically build, install and update AUR software?
2022-03-24 19:08:12	Rayyan	river: i hope so, the main reason i switched was because of the AUR
2022-03-24 19:08:25	Namarrgon	i would do that manually for a while, until you're familiar with the process
2022-03-24 19:08:27	river	yeah AUR is pretty awesome
2022-03-24 19:09:02	Namarrgon	if your aur-helper breaks your system and you don't know how to unbreak it people will make fun of you
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2022-03-24 19:11:07	jonathon	conr: yes, zfs-linux is just the pre-compiled module for the linux kernel, zfs-dkms provides that module for all kernels but needs to recompile it when you change the installed kernel version
2022-03-24 19:12:06	demonicmaniac1	and won't work when zfs lags behind a few weeks usually on a brand new kernel
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2022-03-24 19:13:14	Rayyan	river: wait, are you the same river that invited me to lobste.rs? or is that someone else?
2022-03-24 19:13:21	river	yeah
2022-03-24 19:13:25	river	I use arch linux
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2022-03-24 19:20:00	conr	jonathon: i get `ERROR: One or more PGP signatures could not be verified!`\
2022-03-24 19:20:19	conr	after `makepkg -si`
2022-03-24 19:20:53	conr	is that just a warning or did it fail to install zfs-dkms?
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2022-03-24 19:21:25	Scimmia	do you have the public key in your keyring?
2022-03-24 19:21:43	thursdaylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Makepkg#Signature_checking
2022-03-24 19:21:44	phrik	Title: makepkg - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-03-24 19:37:38	Ghosthree3	Rayyan: (its paru)
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2022-03-24 19:38:14	Ghosthree3	but yes you should know how aur packages work it'll save potential headaches
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2022-03-24 19:39:18	Synthead	I made this vim plugin, but it doesn't autoload for some reason: https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=vim-projectionist
2022-03-24 19:39:19	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-03-24 19:39:20	Synthead	why is this?
2022-03-24 19:40:16	Synthead	this package only has plugin/rooter.vim, but it autoloads for some reason: https://gist.github.com/synthead/c0f6fc6ce44635228e131e56639a21a1
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2022-03-24 19:40:28	Synthead	https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=vim-rooter-git
2022-03-24 19:40:28	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-03-24 19:40:32	BrainDamage	have you tried listing the archive's content?
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2022-03-24 19:41:12	Synthead	BrainDamage: yeah: https://gist.github.com/synthead/107e5c97cec6c99403e28de586e396be
2022-03-24 19:41:47	Synthead	this is in autoload/projectionist.vim:
2022-03-24 19:41:48	BrainDamage	check the symlink's integrity
2022-03-24 19:41:50	Synthead	if exists("g:autoloaded_projectionist")
2022-03-24 19:41:50	Synthead	  finish
2022-03-24 19:41:50	Synthead	endif
2022-03-24 19:41:51	Synthead	let g:autoloaded_projectionist = 1
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2022-03-24 19:42:04	BrainDamage	oh, it's a script
2022-03-24 19:42:28	Synthead	if I do :echo g:autoloaded_projectionist in vim, I get an "undefined var" error
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2022-03-24 19:44:43	BrainDamage	have you tried installing the plugin in the user path and see if it works?
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2022-03-24 19:48:01	Synthead	BrainDamage: I haven't :)  I'm kinda more interested in why this doesn't work when it's sitting alongside identical scripts, though :D
2022-03-24 19:48:39	BrainDamage	well, it's a way to debug if there's something wrong with the plugin to vim interaction
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2022-03-24 19:49:05	BrainDamage	it takes a single point of failure in a chain of assumptions to create a problem, and it's better if you verify them independently
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2022-03-24 19:49:29	BrainDamage	if the plugin is broken even in a user path, chances are it's not your installation that's screwing it up
2022-03-24 19:49:40	BrainDamage	or the mistake you're doing is at least consistent
2022-03-24 19:49:42	Synthead	if I call :runtime autoload/projectionist.vim, it seems load
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2022-03-24 19:49:56	Synthead	seemd to load*
2022-03-24 19:49:59	Synthead	blah
2022-03-24 19:50:44	Synthead	however, the :AS commands documented in https://github.com/tpope/vim-projectionist#alternate-files doesn't seem to work
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2022-03-26 17:52:46	sorta	I am using sway atm, what is the best / most efficient way to export MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND variable value to 1? I am asking for subjective opinion
2022-03-26 17:54:28	Edu4rdSHL	sorta, how are you starting sway ?
2022-03-26 17:54:40	sorta	from tty with sway
2022-03-26 17:54:50	Edu4rdSHL	Then MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 sway
2022-03-26 17:54:54	thurstylark	or shell rc
2022-03-26 17:55:22	sorta	but if i do with shell then if i ever want to open a X window for some reason that variable will be set over there too right?
2022-03-26 17:55:33	sorta	Edu4rdSHL ok i will try that and report back
2022-03-26 17:56:11	Edu4rdSHL	With my approach if you want to open a X window it weill be set there too.
2022-03-26 17:56:14	thurstylark	assuming that however you start X or firefox will inherit that env
2022-03-26 17:56:30	Edu4rdSHL	s/wei/wi/
2022-03-26 17:57:28	sorta	Edu4rdSHL thank you that worked perfectly. crazy how all this time i was using xwayland and never noticed
2022-03-26 17:58:23	sorta	also how can i know if mate-calc is running under wayland or xwayland?
2022-03-26 18:00:04	Edu4rdSHL	sorta, you can use xwininfo
2022-03-26 18:01:39	sorta	hmm i was wondering if there is a way to do it natively in sway? maybe something with swaymsg or similar?
2022-03-26 18:02:26	Edu4rdSHL	No idea
2022-03-26 18:02:44	sorta	running xwininfo doesn't let me click on the desired window for some reason
2022-03-26 18:03:32	v9fk1yn3nu	!emacs
2022-03-26 18:03:32	phrik	A great operating system lacking only a decent text editor
2022-03-26 18:05:41	sorta	perhaps it is my terminal at fault? i am using foot and no plus sign appears,  further clicking on the window does nothing
2022-03-26 18:06:52	Edu4rdSHL	sorta, if no plus sign appears it means that it's running under wayland
2022-03-26 18:07:09	Edu4rdSHL	If the sign appears, it's running on xwayland
2022-03-26 18:07:15	sorta	oh i see that is very smart.
2022-03-26 18:07:57	sorta	grateful for all the help, thanks again Edu4rdSHL .
2022-03-26 18:08:18	Edu4rdSHL	Yw
2022-03-26 18:26:04	JimmyHopkins	~/exit
2022-03-26 19:17:06	mongy	foot is wayland only iirc
2022-03-26 19:25:12	hellosway[m]	how can you properly backup  /boot
2022-03-26 19:25:35	hellosway[m]	it is on a fat ESP, while the rest of ther system uss btrfs snapshots, which are sent to an external drive
2022-03-26 19:39:24	digital_mystik	noticed something today.. when taking a look at aerc's PKGBUILD, it links to 0.8.0, but 0.7.1 is the latest binary.. I don't see it in testing, and was just curious why that would be the case
2022-03-26 19:46:36	mpan	digital_mystik: on aerc website the version is 0.9.0. And PKGBUILD of the **released** package is referencing 0.7.1. In the VCS it has been bumped, but it’s not released yet.
2022-03-26 19:47:11	mpan	digital_mystik: it may be a bit confusing, but “Source files” link on package’s page links to the tip of master, not to the revision used to build the given package.
2022-03-26 19:47:51	mpan	digital_mystik: this is the one currently used: <https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/blob/abc69a9e0814d3262142753bfc48ca88772e23cc/trunk/PKGBUILD>.
2022-03-26 19:49:43	digital_mystik	sounds good, just ended up building 0.9.0.. community has 0.7.1, source file links to 0.8.0, and the lastest stable release is 0.9.0.. I was a bit confused haha
2022-03-26 19:50:03	digital_mystik	thanks for the info
2022-03-26 19:51:32	mpan	Yeah, because the maintainer is working on the PKGBUILD and pushed it to the git, but no package has been built from it so far. And no, there is no trivial way to make “Source files” link to point to what the current package uses: it would require passing and maintaining additional information somewhere.
2022-03-26 19:53:43	psychotron	I hope I made it this
2022-03-26 19:54:49	psychotron	too much adrenalin
2022-03-26 19:55:19	psychotron	hello
2022-03-26 19:55:25	thurstylark	!welcomerpg
2022-03-26 19:55:26	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux - How can we help you?
2022-03-26 19:55:50	psychotron	I just came back to this network
2022-03-26 19:56:08	psychotron	used to be lucifer-minion
2022-03-26 19:59:44	psychotron	I lost my lucifer-minion password
2022-03-26 20:01:16	hellosway[m]	is there an eta for gnome 42, or is it going to wait until 42.1
2022-03-26 20:01:32	thrice	the answer is always: there is no ETA
2022-03-26 20:02:05	ayekat	!when5
2022-03-26 20:02:05	phrik	every time someone asks about a release date it is postponed by a week
2022-03-26 20:02:10	Khorne	It's gonna be the 31st of September
2022-03-26 20:12:09	mongy	say bye to your extensions and theme when you upgrade 😛
2022-03-26 20:14:23	psychotron	goodbye to what?
2022-03-26 20:14:45	psychotron	what was that?
2022-03-26 20:14:56	psychotron	snap goes the dragon
2022-03-26 20:14:56	thrice	?
2022-03-26 20:15:04	thrice	who are you talking to
2022-03-26 20:15:23	psychotron	someone said they take my theme away?
2022-03-26 20:16:05	psychotron	please don't be taking my icewm theme
2022-03-26 20:17:32	mongy	Gnome42 themeing is dead now isn't it?
2022-03-26 20:19:42	thrice	no, but apps that were ported to libadwaita won't theme, I think
2022-03-26 20:21:50	mongy	Oh.  It's just shell themeing then missing I think.. 
2022-03-26 20:22:07	psychotron	is the machine check exepwhatever on usually?
2022-03-26 20:22:23	psychotron	on kernels?
2022-03-26 20:22:54	thrice	are you purposefully continuing to type incoherent questions?
2022-03-26 20:23:02	psychotron	no?
2022-03-26 20:23:31	psychotron	does it always check it is the same machin on packet kernels?
2022-03-26 20:24:02	psychotron	does it depend on wich distro it is made?
2022-03-26 20:24:13	psychotron	which
2022-03-26 20:24:31	slimbo	exepwhatever?
2022-03-26 20:24:32	psychotron	machine check exeption
2022-03-26 20:24:35	slimbo	packet kernels?
2022-03-26 20:24:48	Khorne	I usually prefer my kernels gift-wrapped
2022-03-26 20:25:51	psychotron	I want to try if this stick works on this machine for what it was not made for
2022-03-26 20:26:24	Khorne	Oh, the stick
2022-03-26 20:26:28	slimbo	the stick!
2022-03-26 20:26:32	psychotron	usb
2022-03-26 20:26:43	thrice	usb sticks are made custom for machines?
2022-03-26 20:27:05	psychotron	I have not compiled the kernel myself.
2022-03-26 20:27:05	thrice	I've been getting ripped off with generic ones
2022-03-26 20:27:37	Khorne	I don't think I really want to bother with this
2022-03-26 20:27:50	jelle	psychotron: please stop for a moment and then ask a question
2022-03-26 20:27:55	slimbo	is there an actual ques... yea true Khorne 
2022-03-26 20:27:58	slimbo	!bail
2022-03-26 20:27:58	phrik	Looks like slimbo is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-03-26 20:28:35	psychotron	does kernel usually check the machine type on boot?
2022-03-26 20:28:48	jelle	psychotron: what is "machine type"?
2022-03-26 20:28:58	psychotron	amd64 or intel
2022-03-26 20:29:19	thrice	most intel CPUs are amd64 arch
2022-03-26 20:29:31	thrice	(all?)
2022-03-26 20:29:58	demonicmaniac1	all archlinux supported ones anyway
2022-03-26 20:30:04	thrice	but, I'm also going to bail
2022-03-26 20:30:16	psychotron	so sticks can work on other machines if the kernel is not self compiled?
2022-03-26 20:31:59	Khorne	psychotron, how do you think the Arch kernel works?
2022-03-26 20:32:23	Khorne	It can load on any* x86_64 machine
2022-03-26 20:32:35	thurstylark	do you think that usb thumb drives have compatibility issues between machines?
2022-03-26 20:32:40	thurstylark	because that's definitely not the case
2022-03-26 20:32:41	psychotron	machine check exception [ ]
2022-03-26 20:32:50	Khorne	psychotron, a machine check exception is something different
2022-03-26 20:33:04	hellosway[m]	<mongy> "say bye to your extensions and..." <- extensions still work, a lot have been ported
2022-03-26 20:33:07	Khorne	psychotron, it means your cpu is falling over itself
2022-03-26 20:33:15	hellosway[m]	and do you really need a theme when you have libadwaita
2022-03-26 20:33:29	Khorne	hellosway[m], yes because it looks like a flat piece of ass
2022-03-26 20:33:35	hellosway[m]	it looks mazing, unlike the outdated old theme that needed themes to be functional
2022-03-26 20:33:41	hellosway[m]	s/mazing/amazing/
2022-03-26 20:34:03	hellosway[m]	Khorne: if you really need one set the global envvar $GTK_THEME
2022-03-26 20:34:10	Khorne	hellosway[m], I don't
2022-03-26 20:34:38	Khorne	I really like the part where they made window titles and menus look identical
2022-03-26 20:34:43	Khorne	and also put the menus in the titlebar
2022-03-26 20:34:54	Khorne	Big brain moment right there
2022-03-26 20:35:11	psychotron	I have never compiled kernel in archlinux, only in debian.
2022-03-26 20:36:04	Khorne	https://blog.brixit.nl/content/images/2022/03/libadwaita-mess.png who comes up with that
2022-03-26 20:36:21	jelle	psychotron: why do you think you need to compile a kernel
2022-03-26 20:36:48	jelle	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Machine-check_exception
2022-03-26 20:36:49	phrik	Title: Machine-check exception - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-26 20:36:50	jelle	wew
2022-03-26 20:37:27	psychotron	I had do it because I needed to put geforce drivers in
2022-03-26 20:37:49	psychotron	nvidia
2022-03-26 20:37:56	psychotron	made me do it
2022-03-26 20:38:03	mongy	hellosway[m]: oh goodie
2022-03-26 20:38:22	jelle	psychotron: brotherman, you are not making any sense here
2022-03-26 20:38:32	psychotron	sorry
2022-03-26 20:38:47	psychotron	I am in the booby hatch
2022-03-26 20:39:08	jelle	???????????
2022-03-26 20:39:14	thrice	must be troll
2022-03-26 20:39:23	jelle	psychotron: an arch installation doesn't care what cpu / computer is as long as it's x86_64
2022-03-26 20:39:51	jelle	thrice: you might be correct here
2022-03-26 20:40:18	psychotron	I am just alone here so I can go away too if you like so
2022-03-26 20:40:30	jelle	thrice: https://i.imgflip.com/6a4ty6.jpg
2022-03-26 20:41:09	psychotron	I am just happy I got to this network
2022-03-26 20:41:18	Namarrgon	psychotron: ask specific questions if you actually need help with something
2022-03-26 20:41:25	thrice	are you actually using arch, or what?
2022-03-26 20:42:03	psychotron	$ uname -a
2022-03-26 20:42:05	psychotron	Linux TANK 5.15.31-1-lts #1 SMP Wed, 23 Mar 2022 09:55:25 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2022-03-26 20:43:05	psychotron	I named this tank because it is so old
2022-03-26 20:43:31	psychotron	thinkpad T60
2022-03-26 20:44:10	psychotron	bye for now.
2022-03-26 20:44:42	slimbo	booby hatch
2022-03-26 20:44:45	thurstylark	!next3
2022-03-26 20:44:46	phrik	Another unsatisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-03-26 21:41:22	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-03-27 15:07:52	MacGyver	And cars.
2022-03-27 15:08:02	ponies	and Europeans
2022-03-27 15:08:02	umaxtu	and wifi
2022-03-27 15:08:03	MrElendig	anyway, we really need a new group to create the next wifi standard
2022-03-27 15:08:07	alloy	from what I heard it was more a ransomware thing on some business and they shut the pipeline down as an abundance of caution
2022-03-27 15:08:30	artefact	wifi security only needs to be marginally higher than a soceng attack anyway
2022-03-27 15:08:30	alloy	*some business systems
2022-03-27 15:08:32	umaxtu	I thought they shut the pipeline down cause they couldn't bill people
2022-03-27 15:08:34	artefact	and the bar is *low*
2022-03-27 15:08:47	alloy	umaxtu, quite possibly
2022-03-27 15:09:05	Gagis	all these encryption concers feel a bit silly when hacks that actually happen are always to the tune of "company had development server open with admin/companyname auth" or "all the routers were open to the internet with no password". Must be frustrating to be a security researcher discovering all these elaborate vulnerabilities while actual attacks are typically someone walking in trough the
2022-03-27 15:09:06	ponies	so just some random thugs? how embarrassing. doesnt matter. they just blamed Biden anyways
2022-03-27 15:09:07	Gagis	unlocked front door
2022-03-27 15:09:22	MacGyver	Gagis: You must not have been alive when the standard was WEP.
2022-03-27 15:09:46	artefact	"back in my day all http traffic was unciphered!"
2022-03-27 15:09:51	ponies	yeah i cracked my WEP from some pa?Cthetic 1ghz netbook 
2022-03-27 15:09:53	alloy	hey so messing around on the weekend here... anyone know how I can change my tty virtual terminals to be green all the time, like from boot?  pointless but groovy :)
2022-03-27 15:10:00	artefact	"our user account passwords were stored in a plain text file!"
2022-03-27 15:10:08	MacGyver	Hacks that actually happen *are* of that class precisely because we fix the cryptography.
2022-03-27 15:10:09	MrElendig	alloy: patch the kernel
2022-03-27 15:10:22	alloy	MrElendig, oh really?
2022-03-27 15:10:29	MrElendig	alloy: if you want it really early, yes
2022-03-27 15:10:38	alloy	that's a bit beyond weekend toying then.
2022-03-27 15:10:50	alloy	on my main laptop that is :)
2022-03-27 15:10:59	MrElendig	why care for something you will ohly see for 2 sec if even that anyway though
2022-03-27 15:11:01	alloy	cheers though.
2022-03-27 15:11:02	artefact	or maybe fake it with quiet in your cmdline and some fbcon/grub vga magic
2022-03-27 15:11:10	alloy	MrElendig, I'm pedantic?
2022-03-27 15:11:17	MacGyver	Snip off the red and blue pins from the VGA cable.
2022-03-27 15:11:22	alloy	lol
2022-03-27 15:11:24	MrElendig	plymouth and quiet boot
2022-03-27 15:11:29	alloy	very MacGyver :)
2022-03-27 15:11:33	ponies	lol
2022-03-27 15:11:42	Gagis	MacGyver, to some extent yeah, but it still must feel frustrating for the overall standards of security to be so low that many vulns are theoretical with so many easier ways in to places
2022-03-27 15:11:48	MrElendig	with glitch free booting if you have new enough intel hardware
2022-03-27 15:12:16	alloy	oh I just wanted to color things up for a few seconds of buzz in the mornings ;)
2022-03-27 15:12:22	artefact	what do you mean glitch free?
2022-03-27 15:12:55	MrElendig	artefact: avoiding the two mode switches you usually have that causes the screen to blink/change res
2022-03-27 15:12:59	alloy	I was never quite sure why we switched from lilo to grub and indeed why grub needed backgrounds and boot needed splash
2022-03-27 15:13:06	MacGyver	Oh, yeah, that's definitely extremely frustrating.
2022-03-27 15:13:13	kevku	like when you use dark theme and get white screen flashes
2022-03-27 15:13:15	artefact	i don't get those with efi + early kms in initramfs
2022-03-27 15:13:15	MrElendig	alloy: because lilo doesn't work on any modern hardware
2022-03-27 15:13:21	ponies	grub is more than a bootloader
2022-03-27 15:13:25	MrElendig	also, you can use grub without background/splash
2022-03-27 15:13:31	alloy	"it's a way of life"
2022-03-27 15:13:33	artefact	though i don't use grub at all, i make unified kernel images
2022-03-27 15:13:37	ponies	anyway, we didnt swtich to grub 
2022-03-27 15:13:47	alloy	MrElendig, of course, and I do :) just wanted it to be green not white.
2022-03-27 15:13:52	MacGyver	I don't consider the cryptographic concerns to be silly, but the work Vanhoef is doing is definitely less relevant for immedaite security improvements when I'm still writing papers effectively saying "Just fucking default to TLS".
2022-03-27 15:14:07	alloy	ponies, we as in the Linux community
2022-03-27 15:14:18	ponies	but, did /we/? 
2022-03-27 15:14:42	ponies	NO its your choice!
2022-03-27 15:14:59	ponies	dont mention, that we did swtich to systemd though,
2022-03-27 15:16:18	thrice	who is "we"
2022-03-27 15:16:19	MacGyver	artefact: Early KMS in initramfs is nice for "weird" screen setups.
2022-03-27 15:16:20	astralc	ponies, you will trigger the artix guys
2022-03-27 15:16:32	ponies	i know im triggering somebody out there lol 
2022-03-27 15:16:34	MacGyver	artefact: High DPI, screens rotated by 90 degrees, that kind of stuff.
2022-03-27 15:16:45	alloy	!we
2022-03-27 15:16:46	phrik	alloy: BLEEP BLOOP
2022-03-27 15:17:00	alloy	!reboot
2022-03-27 15:17:01	phrik	To save yourself some time, reboot your computer in the background using `systemctl reboot &`
2022-03-27 15:17:02	MacGyver	But importantly, early KMS is still just KMS.
2022-03-27 15:17:08	alloy	ciao :)
2022-03-27 15:17:17	ponies	phrik is so fucking helpful 
2022-03-27 15:17:18	phrik	Likely so!
2022-03-27 15:17:21	alloy	thanks for the answer
2022-03-27 15:17:23	astralc	I assume they have lennart image on a dartboard
2022-03-27 15:17:24	MacGyver	It's *not* the bootloader reimplementing 75% of a graphics driver in a module to show a nice splash.
2022-03-27 15:17:32	alloy	that's the best bot reply ever imho :D
2022-03-27 15:17:42	artefact	to be fair, the efi firmware is already doing it
2022-03-27 15:21:02	MrElendig	the vendor splash is basically just the kernel/plymouth taking over the existing display buffer
2022-03-27 15:22:32	artefact	i use sd-encrypt hook, no nice splashes for me :()
2022-03-27 15:23:00	ponies	up 7 days, 52 min
2022-03-27 15:27:38	ugga-the-caveman	i try to rename a network interface. its a usb wifi stick with ever changing mac address so i want to use idVendor idProduct.   but where do i get the those id´s
2022-03-27 15:27:45	ugga-the-caveman	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration#Change_interface_name
2022-03-27 15:27:46	phrik	Title: Network configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-27 15:28:05	artefact	lsusb?
2022-03-27 15:28:20	artefact	idVendor is the first 4 hex digits, idProduct the last 4
2022-03-27 15:28:42	ugga-the-caveman	lsusb says something like 0x1234 TP-Link
2022-03-27 15:28:57	ugga-the-caveman	what is the id ? the number the string or both ?
2022-03-27 15:29:17	artefact	should say something like "Bus 005 Device 002: ID 0499:1509 Yamaha Corp. Steinberg UR22"
2022-03-27 15:29:21	astralc	it should say something like 1234:5678
2022-03-27 15:30:32	ugga-the-caveman	aha yes
2022-03-27 15:58:47	Elodin	Strange, I arrive at my computer today and it has been started and NetworkMagager isn't working
2022-03-27 15:59:01	MrElendig	!errors
2022-03-27 15:59:01	phrik	Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2022-03-27 15:59:08	thrice	use the journalctl
2022-03-27 15:59:17	Elodin	thanks
2022-03-27 16:21:14	Mathisen	hmm so i have an old laptop i just updated, but now on reboot i get " error: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'. " 
2022-03-27 16:21:17	Elodin	https://termbin.com/ahx2 Uh, i didn't find more than this. When I got home today my laptop was in the login screen as it were restarted/logged off
2022-03-27 16:21:48	Mathisen	the fallback does the same
2022-03-27 16:22:37	Elodin	oh
2022-03-27 16:24:08	mpan	Mathisen: a totally random guess is that the boot loader is wrongly configured and hd0 is something else than you expect it to be.
2022-03-27 16:24:24	Mathisen	nope 
2022-03-27 16:25:17	astralc	gpt without grub partition?
2022-03-27 16:25:24	Mathisen	if i check in grub resce i can do ls /boot and it shows vmlinuz-linux but if i try to set it " set linux /boot/vmlinuz-linux " i get same error again attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'.
2022-03-27 16:25:48	Mathisen	astralc, mbr but without boot partition yes
2022-03-27 16:28:57	Mathisen	all i did was a regular update and wanted to reboot for kernel. but this broke everything
2022-03-27 16:29:09	Mathisen	any idea ?
2022-03-27 16:30:12	astralc	Mathisen: boot with arch install usb and fix grub (install/mkconfig)?
2022-03-27 16:30:38	Mathisen	but the config seems fine
2022-03-27 16:30:43	mpan	What if you mkinitcpio from chroot?
2022-03-27 16:30:43	Mathisen	i can see the boot options in grub 
2022-03-27 16:31:22	Mathisen	mpan, i can try and see
2022-03-27 16:31:38	mpan	Which does not mean e.g. syncing of the files went or the file system did not get corrupted somehow.
2022-03-27 16:31:51	mpan	*went ok
2022-03-27 16:32:27	mpan	In absence of other ideas, checking such low hanging fruits is not a bad idea.
2022-03-27 16:35:27	Elodin	I think what caused the issue was 'Unexpected error response from GetNameOwner(): Connection terminated' It started from NetworkManager-diapatcher then it propagated toaccounts-daemon->rtkit-daemon->lightdm=>upower->polkit and so on up til NetworkManager got a sigterm to shutting down.
2022-03-27 16:35:37	Elodin	Now what have caused this I have no idea how to know
2022-03-27 16:37:42	Elodin	I'm gonna reboot sudo password ins't working either
2022-03-27 16:40:31	Mathisen	mpan, nope same thing
2022-03-27 16:43:26	Mathisen	and for the record i even re-installed grub and re created config now. 1. grub-install 2. grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2022-03-27 16:52:22	Mathisen	and there is only one drive in this laptop
2022-03-27 16:52:31	Mathisen	with only one partition 
2022-03-27 16:52:53	astralc	Mathisen: the closest thing I see is regenerating grub/device.map - rename the file and run grub-mkconfig again
2022-03-27 16:53:23	Mathisen	"regenerating grub/device.map" that is new to me how do i do that
2022-03-27 16:54:45	astralc	there is file /boot/grub/device.map. rename it. run grub-mkconfig again
2022-03-27 16:55:07	Mathisen	ok
2022-03-27 16:57:30	Mathisen	i got no such file
2022-03-27 16:59:05	astralc	inside the arch installation? (also you need to be in chroot for the grub commands)
2022-03-27 16:59:31	astralc	maybe it is old file
2022-03-27 16:59:31	Mathisen	i am chrooted 
2022-03-27 16:59:59	astralc	It is just from google search, and my machine is uefi
2022-03-27 17:00:14	Mathisen	https://imgur.com/a/yKIZrpu
2022-03-27 17:00:15	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2022-03-27 17:07:35	astralc	before  I bail: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Installation - grub changed the default target option, so make sure to pass it
2022-03-27 17:07:36	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-27 17:12:43	Mathisen	nope nope same thing 
2022-03-27 17:12:45	Mathisen	https://imgur.com/a/SB7gaUx
2022-03-27 17:12:45	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2022-03-27 17:13:59	astralc	is the grub.cfg "linux...." is pointing to correct fs?
2022-03-27 17:14:47	Mathisen	yes
2022-03-27 17:16:17	Mathisen	https://imgur.com/a/YLFEAtg
2022-03-27 17:16:17	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2022-03-27 17:18:57	Scimmia	Mathisen: did you try reinstalling the kernel?
2022-03-27 17:19:32	Mathisen	nope but i did mkinitcpio -p linux inside chroot
2022-03-27 17:20:05	Mathisen	i can try reinstall kernel
2022-03-27 17:20:40	Scimmia	the problem is loading the kernel, so regenrating the initramfs isn't going to do anything
2022-03-27 17:25:19	Mathisen	Scimmia, thanks! that worked
2022-03-27 17:26:05	Scimmia	that points to corruption, though, so you might want to run fsck and keep an eye on things
2022-03-27 17:26:24	Mathisen	it is a brand new ssd in this laptop
2022-03-27 17:26:40	Mathisen	maybe faulty then ?
2022-03-27 17:26:49	Scimmia	it's possible
2022-03-27 17:26:56	Mathisen	it used to have a old hdd so changed it a week ago
2022-03-27 17:27:18	astralc	you copied the partition to the ssd?
2022-03-27 17:27:29	Mathisen	no i did a brand new install
2022-03-27 17:27:41	Scimmia	it could be other things, just worth keeping in mind
2022-03-27 17:27:48	Mathisen	yeah il do
2022-03-27 17:27:59	Mathisen	now i atleast know what to look for if this happends again
2022-03-27 17:28:48	Mathisen	this laptop should be thrown in the trash anyway :) i just use it for irc and some coding 
2022-03-27 17:29:06	Mathisen	it is ooold. like 10 years old
2022-03-27 17:29:13	astralc	it could be also faulty ram
2022-03-27 17:32:00	Mathisen	i think i just go and buy a new cheap laptop for my usecase with it if it starts to make more issues
2022-03-27 17:50:24	MrElendig	don't throw electronics in the trash, deliver it to be recycled
2022-03-27 18:24:56	mingdao	Easier said than done in some places (where we live).
2022-03-27 18:50:44	mingdao	Is there no getmail package in the main Arch repos, or am I just not searching properly?
2022-03-27 18:50:52	mingdao	https://archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&q=getmail&maintainer=&flagged=
2022-03-27 18:50:54	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2022-03-27 18:51:03	mingdao	workstation ~ # pacman -Ss getmail
2022-03-27 18:51:03	mingdao	workstation ~ #
2022-03-27 18:51:27	Edu4rdSHL	If that doesn't return results, there is not "getmail" then.
2022-03-27 18:51:39	MrElendig	its in aur
2022-03-27 18:51:51	MacGyver	You might also want to search using -F.
2022-03-27 18:51:56	MrElendig	was dropped quite some time ago
2022-03-27 18:52:09	MacGyver	Sometimes such a binary is provided by a different package (like how sendmail binaries are provided by every MTA)
2022-03-27 18:52:16	MacGyver	In this case, however, there appear to be none.
2022-03-27 18:52:23	MrElendig	a couple of years or something
2022-03-27 18:52:49	mingdao	Funny because I seem to be using getmail with mutt on an Arch machine, but https://0x0.st/oqT8.txt
2022-03-27 18:53:15	MrElendig	a mix of little use and the deprecation of py2
2022-03-27 18:53:16	mingdao	pacman -Fy getmail?
2022-03-27 18:53:30	Edu4rdSHL	pacman -Qo /usr/bin/getmail
2022-03-27 18:54:21	mingdao	error: No package owns /usr/bin/getmail
2022-03-27 18:54:32	mingdao	Strange because shuttle is using getmail with mutt.
2022-03-27 18:54:48	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-03-27 18:54:50	MrElendig	you probably installed it by hand at some point
2022-03-27 18:54:56	MrElendig	or you damaged your pacman db
2022-03-27 18:55:06	MrElendig	getmail --version
2022-03-27 18:55:19	MrElendig	also check the date on the file
2022-03-27 18:55:22	mingdao	All these .getmail/mingdaorc that are checking mail every 5m.
2022-03-27 18:55:35	mingdao	getmail 5.15
2022-03-27 18:56:19	MrElendig	consider switching to getmail6 if you can
2022-03-27 18:56:44	MrElendig	it does py3, modern tls etc
2022-03-27 18:57:20	MrElendig	its mostly, but not 100% dropin compatible)
2022-03-27 18:57:25	mingdao	Yes, I know that.  Was having a discussion with someone and found my mail machine in this way.
2022-03-27 18:57:40	mingdao	It's not needed for me, so I am sticking with Charles atm.
2022-03-27 18:58:02	mingdao	The only reference I see in history so far is wget http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/old-versions/getmail-5.15.tar.gz
2022-03-27 18:58:04	badsektor	hello btw
2022-03-27 18:58:16	mingdao	!give badsektor hello
2022-03-27 18:58:16	phrik	badsektor: hello? http://i.imgur.com/8pwTF.gif
2022-03-27 18:58:19	MrElendig	getting rid of py2 is always a good thing
2022-03-27 18:58:40	mingdao	I've been kinda waiting to see if Charles ports it, and ready the ML.
2022-03-27 18:58:57	mingdao	I certainly agree with py3.
2022-03-27 18:59:34	MrElendig	original getmail is not going to be ported
2022-03-27 18:59:53	mingdao	Yes, it seems that way.
2022-03-27 19:00:28	BrainDamage	any reason to use pop3?
2022-03-27 19:00:35	mingdao	getmail6 is in AUR?
2022-03-27 19:00:40	mingdao	brenix73: Are you asking me?
2022-03-27 19:00:45	mingdao	BrainDamage: ^^^
2022-03-27 19:00:48	MrElendig	yes it is
2022-03-27 19:00:49	BrainDamage	yes
2022-03-27 19:01:13	mingdao	I'll get the source probably rather than AUR ... depends upon the maintainer.
2022-03-27 19:01:47	mingdao	BrainDamage: Some mail I just want popped, other I'd like IMAP.  However, the last I used IMAP with mutt either it wasn't working properly, or I broke something.
2022-03-27 19:01:51	mewt	Hi, is the documentation for virtualbox on the wiki current? I don't seem to have vboxservice.service after installation
2022-03-27 19:01:59	mingdao	I do have this tab loaded http://mutt.sourceforge.net/imap/
2022-03-27 19:02:00	phrik	Title: Mutt and IMAP (at mutt.sourceforge.net)
2022-03-27 19:02:05	mingdao	It's just still a C on the TO-DO List.
2022-03-27 19:02:10	MrElendig	write your own PKGBUILD instead of sudo make install in that case
2022-03-27 19:02:29	mingdao	MrElendig: Yes.  It's just that I haven't needed it yet, so haven't bothered.
2022-03-27 19:02:38	BrainDamage	mingdao: you can still download your emails with imap if that's what you want
2022-03-27 19:03:00	BrainDamage	as in, imap is a full superset of pop3, and you should use pop3 only if the host doesn't support imap
2022-03-27 19:03:18	mingdao	MrElendig: Looking through root history we might have had it in the repo when I got it: 2021-01-01 07:39:47 pacman -Ss getmail
2022-03-27 19:03:33	sheep	mewt: it looks like the only service that the virtualbox package provides is vboxweb.service
2022-03-27 19:03:36	MrElendig	these days it is more likely for the remote not to support pop3 than not support imap
2022-03-27 19:03:43	badsektor	i am thinking of starting to use arch, btw
2022-03-27 19:03:57	Edu4rdSHL	mingdao, in that case the binary would be owned by the package.
2022-03-27 19:03:57	mingdao	BrainDamage: The problem I had was they weren't staying on the host, also.  It's been so long I don't remember the RCA, so I have that tab up to try again.
2022-03-27 19:03:59	MrElendig	mingdao: was gone from the repos a year before that
2022-03-27 19:04:24	sheep	mewt: there is a vboxservice.service in the sources, so it's probably not in the package because of a bug
2022-03-27 19:04:28	mingdao	BrainDamage: This was also when I ran Gentoo on the mail box, and the dev there convoluted mutt and neomutt.
2022-03-27 19:04:39	Edu4rdSHL	sheep, he's gone
2022-03-27 19:04:46	Edu4rdSHL	Ah no.
2022-03-27 19:04:55	BrainDamage	isync lets you download imap to maildirs
2022-03-27 19:04:57	mingdao	MrElendig: Dang, I have some convoluted stuff here then.  Thanks for that info.
2022-03-27 19:05:00	mewt	Hmmm
2022-03-27 19:05:06	Earnestly	fdm
2022-03-27 19:05:08	mewt	Oh right I should have checked, I'm sorry
2022-03-27 19:05:29	Earnestly	fdm is often overlooked but is very nice mda
2022-03-27 19:05:29	Edu4rdSHL	vboxservice.service is from virtualbox-guest-utils, btw
2022-03-27 19:05:45	sheep	oh right this is a split package
2022-03-27 19:06:33	mewt	Onto the next problem...
2022-03-27 19:06:45	Edu4rdSHL	And, I don't see any vboxservice.service mention on https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VirtualBox 
2022-03-27 19:06:46	phrik	Title: VirtualBox - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-27 19:06:58	mewt	Even with those modules loaded (manually or though the service), I can't mount anything of type vboxsf
2022-03-27 19:07:01	Earnestly	Nicer than isync and co. anyway.  getmail is fairly tidy
2022-03-27 19:07:29	mewt	Am I being dumb there too somehow?
2022-03-27 19:07:59	mewt	It does show in lsmod that vboxsf is loaded
2022-03-27 19:08:03	Earnestly	Although getmail appears deadish
2022-03-27 19:08:04	mewt	"vboxsf                 45056  0" etc.
2022-03-27 19:08:20	Edu4rdSHL	mewt, and the error is?
2022-03-27 19:08:27	mingdao	BrainDamage: That will require a wee bit of change, so when it moves up the list, I'll do it.  https://0x0.st/oqTa.txt
2022-03-27 19:08:52	mewt	unknown filesystem type 'vboxsf'
2022-03-27 19:09:17	BrainDamage	mewt: ls /proc/filesystems
2022-03-27 19:09:21	sheep	what do you get from pacman -Q linux && uname -r?
2022-03-27 19:09:22	BrainDamage	err, cat it
2022-03-27 19:09:50	mewt	>nodev   vboxsf
2022-03-27 19:09:55	mewt	so it is there
2022-03-27 19:10:09	mewt	linux 5.16.16.arch1-1 on both
2022-03-27 19:10:29	Edu4rdSHL	mewt, where are you running that command? On the host or in the VM OS?
2022-03-27 19:10:33	mewt	host
2022-03-27 19:10:49	mewt	the VM OS is windows 7 with no network; so couldn't be there
2022-03-27 19:10:54	mewt	-so
2022-03-27 19:11:29	Edu4rdSHL	Which command are you using to mount the media?
2022-03-27 19:11:29	BrainDamage	mewt: pastebin both the command and output
2022-03-27 19:13:55	mewt	hold up, just making sure I've done it correctly before i paste anything to you
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2022-03-27 19:52:28	mewt	Ok, confirmed the guest additions are there as they should be and such 
2022-03-27 19:52:32	mewt	https://bpa.st/Q7PQ command here
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2022-03-27 19:52:47	mewt	"shared" is the name I chose on the win7 guest
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2022-03-31 15:59:47	mongy	could you maybe do something with 'Open With' browser addon?
2022-03-31 16:18:32	danisanti	I am unable to get IPv6 address with dhcpcd. I do have IPv4 address. I have ip6tables stopped and disabled. My other ArchLinux machine is able to get IPv6 address. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2029114#p2029114
2022-03-31 16:18:32	phrik	Title: dhcpcd - eth0: no IPv6 Routers available / Networking, Server, and Protection / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-03-31 16:22:59	MrElendig	danisanti: radvdump and try again
2022-03-31 16:23:11	MrElendig	see if you are actually getting any RA
2022-03-31 16:31:08	danisanti	MrElendig: I don't have the command radvdump
2022-03-31 16:31:16	danisanti	what is an RA?
2022-03-31 16:31:47	jelle	!wtf is radvdump
2022-03-31 16:31:48	artefact	ipv6 router advertisement
2022-03-31 16:31:49	phrik	jelle: extra/bash-completion community/radvd
2022-03-31 16:33:00	danisanti	I installed radvd
2022-03-31 16:33:30	danisanti	when I execute radvdump, it outputs nothing
2022-03-31 16:33:40	MrElendig	run radvdump in one terminal, start dhcpcd in another
2022-03-31 16:33:49	MrElendig	you can also tell dhcpcd to be a lot more verbose
2022-03-31 16:35:28	danisanti	MrElendig: I have stopped dhcpcd. run radvdump in one terminal as root. open second terminal and run systemctl start dhcpcd. I still get no output
2022-03-31 16:36:29	MrElendig	is ipv6 supported/enabled in your router?
2022-03-31 16:36:39	MrElendig	do you have a link local address on your interface?
2022-03-31 16:36:53	danisanti	yes, my other ARchLinux machine that is on the same network has ipv6 right now
2022-03-31 16:37:09	danisanti	MrElendig: I have an ipv6 link local address
2022-03-31 16:37:39	MrElendig	ip6tables -S
2022-03-31 16:39:09	danisanti	MrElendig: https://termbin.com/l5au
2022-03-31 16:39:32	MrElendig	so you didn't actually kill iptables
2022-03-31 16:42:25	MrElendig	can't remember the ip6tables rules needed for ra off the top of my head
2022-03-31 16:42:47	MrElendig	but I suspect ipv6-icmp is not enough by itself
2022-03-31 16:43:47	MrElendig	also, is your network using slaac or dhcpv6? if the later then you also need port 546
2022-03-31 16:43:52	MrElendig	iirc
2022-03-31 16:44:10	danisanti	this has the same ip6tables rules as my working ArchLinux that has ip6 address
2022-03-31 16:45:23	danisanti	MrElendig: I believe is slaac. /etc/dhcpcd.conf -> https://termbin.com/8ojt
2022-03-31 16:45:31	MrElendig	and what does dhcpcd say when you throw debug flags at it?
2022-03-31 16:46:07	danisanti	I have only used systemctl start/stop dhcpcd. Give me those flag commands, please
2022-03-31 16:55:15	danisanti	MrElendig: dhcpcd --debug eth0 -> https://termbin.com/tn3v
2022-03-31 16:56:27	danisanti	MrElendig: I have also tried rebooting without ip6tables enabled and got the same result
2022-03-31 16:56:50	danisanti	in a while when I was trying to fix things on my own
2022-03-31 16:57:41	arseru	Hello there, so, I've managed to set a dark GTK/Qt theme for my i3wm machine, but I still see Firefox and Thunderbird partially with a light theme (e.g. menys are dark, but the background of the AW website is still white; the same goes for thunderbird's background on email contents). Any idea how to make them also dark?
2022-03-31 16:57:54	arseru	*menus are dark
2022-03-31 16:59:22	danisanti	arseru: unrelated but qutebrowser has a way to set websites dark. This is how I can help you with this issue.
2022-03-31 17:01:03	danisanti	arseru: as of Thunderbird, it uses a lot of RAM. You can try using the console email client mutt or neomutt (I migrated from Thunderbird to mutt)
2022-03-31 17:01:56	MrElendig	aw doesn't have a dark theme sadly
2022-03-31 17:02:15	MrElendig	not built in anyway, there are bunch of third party ones
2022-03-31 17:02:49	arseru	danisanti: thanks for the suggestions! I've tried mutt before but I prefer thunderbird still
2022-03-31 17:03:12	arseru	MrElendig: I thought that was something that could be managed from the GTK theme as well
2022-03-31 17:03:28	MrElendig	web pages doesn't care about your gtk themes
2022-03-31 17:03:46	MrElendig	some browsers will make an attempt at making sites dark when you use a dark theme in the browser though
2022-03-31 17:04:03	MrElendig	also some sites like eg yt is coded to check the browser theme (but it doesn't work half the time)
2022-03-31 17:04:31	MrElendig	would be nice if the aw would do that, but that requires hacking mediawiki
2022-03-31 17:04:38	arseru	so it looks I'll keep on using the Dark Reader firefox add-on, for now :P
2022-03-31 17:06:00	danisanti	arseru: ok. My machine was getting low on RAM, so that is why I stopped using Thunderbird and got into mutt. Good luck
2022-03-31 17:07:44	danisanti	MrElendig: my dhcpcd log has any use?
2022-03-31 17:12:06	MrElendig	not much in it, noting about v6
2022-03-31 17:12:52	MrElendig	keep radvdump running and see if there is any ra being done
2022-03-31 17:12:59	danisanti	MrElendig: I did only run as: dhcpcd --debug eth0 . Should I try other command arguments?
2022-03-31 17:13:45	MrElendig	or send an explicit RS
2022-03-31 17:14:28	MrElendig	eg using rdisc6
2022-03-31 17:15:01	MrElendig	and doublecheck your sysctl settings that slaac etc isn't disabled
2022-03-31 17:15:38	⚡ 	MrElendig runs off for tea and pastries
2022-03-31 17:16:30	⚡ 	danisanti I would run off, but drunk too much tea last night
2022-03-31 17:16:44	Tea	you guys
2022-03-31 17:16:45	⚡ 	danisanti :)
2022-03-31 17:21:42	arseru	must be a nightmare to have a nickname like tea or dark :P
2022-03-31 17:22:14	Tea	honestly, #archlinux hasn't discussed tea for a surprisingly long amount of time
2022-03-31 17:22:41	Tea	it used to be VERY frequent. guess we all got worn down by the pandemic and turned to the hard stuff
2022-03-31 17:23:10	arseru	time to rename oneself to vodka :3
2022-03-31 17:23:20	quantitos	Is there a way to increase the amount of data I store in my clipboard? I'm trying to use mate-screenshot to copy an area of my screen to my clipboard so I can paste it into documents. It works fine if the area is small, but if the area is large the receiving program tends to hang up. Is the size of my clipboard even the issue? or
2022-03-31 17:27:31	quantitos	Oh, just realized I can install gnome-screenshot from the aur and it has the file feature built in. Disregard my message :)
2022-03-31 17:29:39	danisanti	Green Tea is great !
2022-03-31 17:29:43	danisanti	:)
2022-03-31 17:43:01	sorta	oh are we talking about green tea ? I love green tea. I just had some new one today , my father didn't like it much but I loved it
2022-03-31 17:44:26	sorta	It's a free sample actually, we bought black tea but since i queried about it they sent us some
2022-03-31 17:45:27	bud	i like greentea, the tetris master.
2022-03-31 17:48:58	bud	https://0x0.st/oqYw.png
2022-03-31 17:52:55	noobaroo	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Chromium#Tips_and_tricks This shows a way to verify if a video is decoding with hardware acceleration or not. Is there a similar way to do this in Firefox?
2022-03-31 17:52:57	phrik	Title: Chromium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-31 17:59:07	noobaroo	The media tab inside devtools/inspector is probably the main reason I use chromium... I can't find a similar feature in Firefox.
2022-03-31 18:15:21	Khorne	noobaroo, check if your gpu is used when a video plays?
2022-03-31 18:23:03	Edu4rdSHL	noobaroo, it's literally explained in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/firefox#Hardware_video_acceleration
2022-03-31 18:23:04	phrik	Title: Firefox - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-03-31 18:23:31	Edu4rdSHL	But if you mean exactly as using the Chromium's devtools then no
2022-03-31 18:23:57	tusko	Some guy tried to tell me today he was running Archlinux on an M1 mac. Opened it up and he was running Asahi like "see, its arch"
2022-03-31 18:26:34	bud	btw fail
2022-03-31 18:26:35	phaise	Asahi is a great project.
2022-03-31 18:30:59	gehidore	tusko does it make you feel better that I ran it on a second gen mac mini for 13+ years
2022-03-31 18:31:03	gehidore	arch proper that is
2022-03-31 18:35:04	michelesr	is M1 so different than regular ARM? do you need a specific compiler? 
2022-03-31 18:35:55	jelle	no, it's just aarch64
2022-03-31 18:37:21	michelesr	so why can't you run arch linux on it? 
2022-03-31 18:37:36	Namarrgon	arch doesn't support that architecture
2022-03-31 18:37:42	michelesr	oh well... official arch linux supports only x86_64, right? 
2022-03-31 18:37:47	Namarrgon	right
2022-03-31 18:37:48	bud	computers often have more hardware beside CPU?
2022-03-31 18:37:51	michelesr	but there's a fork for e.g. raspberrypi? 
2022-03-31 18:38:13	Namarrgon	right, archlinuxarm
2022-03-31 18:38:55	phaise	michelesr: Each ARM machine has different hardware. That's why linux has devicetree. You can't just support every ARM device with a generic linux kernel.
2022-03-31 18:39:12	chronos3	Im trying to connect my phone to my PC, but I keep getting this error  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER chronos3 Malformed URL udi=/org/kde/solid/udev/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-3/.
2022-03-31 18:39:22	chronos3	I'm on KDE plasma running arch linux
2022-03-31 18:40:27	Namarrgon	uname -r
2022-03-31 18:40:59	chronos3	5.17.1-arch1-1
2022-03-31 18:41:23	Namarrgon	is the phone in mtp mode?
2022-03-31 18:41:31	chronos3	yeah
2022-03-31 18:41:38	Namarrgon	does any other mtp client work?
2022-03-31 18:41:38	chronos3	its set to file transfer
2022-03-31 18:41:50	chronos3	I havent tried
2022-03-31 18:42:06	Namarrgon	try a different port, too
2022-03-31 18:43:05	bin	cant believe ive been running Xorg as root for all this time thinking i was running it rootless
2022-03-31 18:44:22	chronos3	Namarrgon, I tried "aft-mtp-mount ~/mnt". No MTP devices found
2022-03-31 18:44:26	chronos3	different port too
2022-03-31 18:44:47	Namarrgon	can you post the kernel log?
2022-03-31 18:45:10	chronos3	How do I do that?
2022-03-31 18:45:11	Namarrgon	!ix
2022-03-31 18:45:12	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-03-31 18:45:34	chronos3	I think Im missing a program
2022-03-31 18:45:44	chronos3	what are the programs that require MTP file transfer
2022-03-31 18:45:48	chronos3	on arch linux
2022-03-31 18:46:14	Namarrgon	if you're using plasma already then use its filemanager, i guess
2022-03-31 18:46:29	chronos3	Im using pcmanfm
2022-03-31 18:46:41	chronos3	should I try installing dolphin?
2022-03-31 18:46:50	Namarrgon	it isn'T installed already?
2022-03-31 18:47:01	chronos3	No
2022-03-31 18:47:07	Namarrgon	how did you install plasma?
2022-03-31 18:47:10	chronos3	I only installed plasma-meta package
2022-03-31 18:47:46	chronos3	It works with dolphin..
2022-03-31 18:47:55	chronos3	so It must be a pcmanfm problem
2022-03-31 18:52:15	sorta	chronos3:  did you install gvfs-mtp?
2022-03-31 18:52:40	chronos3	sorta, yeah
2022-03-31 18:52:47	chronos3	its an issue with pcmanfm
2022-03-31 18:52:54	chronos3	cause it works fine with dolphin
2022-03-31 18:53:06	sorta	ah i see, that must be it.
2022-03-31 18:53:09	chronos3	I dont want to use dolphin though, its slow
2022-03-31 18:53:12	sorta	personally I use nemo
2022-03-31 18:53:43	chronos3	pcmanfm is generally the best when it comes to file transfer speeds 
2022-03-31 18:53:50	chronos3	are there any work arounds?
2022-03-31 18:54:04	sorta	the file explorer hardly makes any difference on file transfer speeds
2022-03-31 18:54:08	sorta	at least it shouldn't
2022-03-31 18:54:38	sorta	I use aft-mtp-mount and it just works
2022-03-31 18:54:51	chronos3	thunar and dolphin were significantly slower in my case
2022-03-31 18:56:48	sorta	that is actually very strange
2022-03-31 19:19:13	TheSilentLink	Why is the arch linux build of Libreoffice missing the LightProof grammar checker?
2022-03-31 19:26:12	chronos3	TheSilentLink, its bloat
2022-03-31 19:26:28	TheSilentLink	chronos3: ? A grammar checker is bloat?
2022-03-31 19:27:18	gehidore	yes
2022-03-31 19:28:58	sorta	I for one would not consider grammar checker on an office program to be bloat.
2022-03-31 19:29:48	bud	what purposing do a grammar checker has?
2022-03-31 19:29:54	Molly_Lucy	#archilunux ppl does, because archilinux
2022-03-31 19:30:14	Molly_Lucy	:D
2022-03-31 19:30:16	chronos3	what are some required media codecs for arch?
2022-03-31 19:30:41	Namarrgon	none
2022-03-31 19:31:02	Namarrgon	TheSilentLink: which build includes it still?
2022-03-31 19:31:17	Namarrgon	lightproof upstream seems to have dried up three years ago
2022-03-31 19:31:29	chronos3	Namarrgon, is everything pre installed?
2022-03-31 19:31:39	Namarrgon	chronos3: nothing is preinstalled
2022-03-31 19:31:42	TheSilentLink	Namarrgon: I'm pretty sure the Windows version has it
2022-03-31 19:31:49	Namarrgon	TheSilentLink: which version of it?
2022-03-31 19:32:05	chronos3	then why would you say none
2022-03-31 19:32:14	Namarrgon	chronos3: because none are required
2022-03-31 19:32:27	chronos3	but i need to play media..
2022-03-31 19:32:33	Namarrgon	which media?
2022-03-31 19:32:35	Edu4rdSHL	But none is "required"
2022-03-31 19:32:38	chronos3	mp3 and flac
2022-03-31 19:32:44	Namarrgon	using which player?
2022-03-31 19:32:47	chronos3	elisa
2022-03-31 19:32:58	Namarrgon	does it not work?
2022-03-31 19:33:24	chronos3	it does, but it mutes itself after a while (5 minutes) and then I have to restart to get it working again
2022-03-31 19:33:42	Namarrgon	ugh, vlc
2022-03-31 19:33:42	Namarrgon	look at VLC's opt-deps
2022-03-31 19:33:55	Namarrgon	that has little to do with codecs
2022-03-31 19:34:21	chronos3	whats opt-deps?
2022-03-31 19:34:34	bud	optional dependecies
2022-03-31 19:34:36	Namarrgon	ignore that, your problem has nothing to do with codecs
2022-03-31 19:35:18	chronos3	yeah, I cant play youtube videos either
2022-03-31 19:35:19	chronos3	strange..
2022-03-31 19:36:20	Molly_Lucy	[19:31]  .: Namarrgon :. chronos3: nothing is preinstalled
2022-03-31 19:36:20	Molly_Lucy	this is the point of arch linux, you will need to spend a lot of time to install everything u need
2022-03-31 19:36:29	TheSilentLink	Namarrgon: latest version 7.3.2
2022-03-31 19:37:22	ugga-the-caveman	chronos3: but codecs are ussually now in the kernel or in the software. no need to install any
2022-03-31 19:37:58	ugga-the-caveman	working for like 5 mins and then not sounds like driver or software bug to mee
2022-03-31 19:38:13	bud	i haven't formulated the word codec in my mind since 2004 when i installed that communist codec pack.
2022-03-31 19:38:40	ugga-the-caveman	jeah
2022-03-31 19:38:45	bud	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Community_Codec_Pack
2022-03-31 19:38:45	phrik	Title: Combined Community Codec Pack - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2022-03-31 19:39:03	ugga-the-caveman	2000 was terrible, every one wanted to use another codec
2022-03-31 19:39:09	Quicken2k	Hi. trying tp
2022-03-31 19:39:21	chronos3	ugga-the-caveman, I dont think its a driver bug since I never had this issue before
2022-03-31 19:39:43	Namarrgon	chronos3: does it happen only in elisa?
2022-03-31 19:39:44	chronos3	definitely a software bug, funny because I havent even enabled AUR yet
2022-03-31 19:39:54	artefact	my approach to codecs is "if ffplay doesn't work, the file is b0rked"
2022-03-31 19:40:04	chronos3	Namarrgon, I cant play any videos on firefox either (youtube)
2022-03-31 19:40:43	chronos3	mpv plays the file fine
2022-03-31 19:40:56	artefact	do you have extensions installed? try a clean profile
2022-03-31 19:41:55	Quicken2k	Hi. trying to get my wifi dongle to work rt8188eu realtek. Kerne; 5.17 says my module is loaded, but I can't connect to it
2022-03-31 19:42:22	ugga-the-caveman	ip link show ?
2022-03-31 19:42:30	chronos3	artefact, doesnt work with a new profile
2022-03-31 19:42:48	artefact	chronos3: can you play audio? try eg. soundcloud
2022-03-31 19:42:50	chronos3	it says "if playback doesnt start shortly, try restarting your device"
2022-03-31 19:42:54	Namarrgon	TheSilentLink: it seems to be an extension, not something maintained as part of the LO source
2022-03-31 19:42:55	ugga-the-caveman	Quicken2k: does it show up in ip link show ?
2022-03-31 19:43:12	Quicken2k	wlp0s26f7u4 up dongle is solid blue (should flash)
2022-03-31 19:43:39	ugga-the-caveman	is it a tp-link wifi dongle ?
2022-03-31 19:43:46	chronos3	artefact, soundcloud doesnt work either
2022-03-31 19:43:47	ugga-the-caveman	they are horrible
2022-03-31 19:44:13	artefact	chronos3: can you play videos without sound? try imgur webms or something
2022-03-31 19:44:15	Quicken2k	says comfast on it with a realtek 8188eu under the hood
2022-03-31 19:44:17	ugga-the-caveman	had problems with mine (tp-link archer t2u plus)
2022-03-31 19:45:07	chronos3	artefact, yeah I can play webms
2022-03-31 19:45:13	Namarrgon	Quicken2k: how are you trying to connect?
2022-03-31 19:45:13	artefact	chr
2022-03-31 19:45:28	ugga-the-caveman	maybe try some other driver, and look if you see some error in dmesg if you try to bring it up
2022-03-31 19:45:37	artefact	chronos3: looks like your firefox can't open a sound interface. are you using pulseaudio? jack? pipewire?
2022-03-31 19:45:39	Quicken2k	to my wifi network 
2022-03-31 19:45:54	ugga-the-caveman	how ? networkmanager wifi-menu?
2022-03-31 19:45:55	Namarrgon	that's obvious but how?
2022-03-31 19:46:33	chronos3	artefact, pipewire. Its not only a firefox problem, Elisa(KDE Music player) isnt working either. It stops producing sound after 5 or so minutes. The only thing that seems to be working is mpv
2022-03-31 19:47:31	artefact	that sounds like a pipewire issue then. can you play youtube videos if you disable/stop pipewire? (maybe try setting your default pcm to plughw:0 in your .asoundrc)
2022-03-31 19:47:57	Quicken2k	works if I unplug and plug back in 
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2022-03-31 20:04:48	chronos3	artafinde, how do I stop pipewire? its not listed as a service 
2022-03-31 20:05:39	artafinde	wrong ping but `systemctl --user stop pipewire.service` will probably do it :D
2022-03-31 20:05:43	artefact	is it not? try systemctl --user status
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2022-03-31 20:05:59	artafinde	(I have no context - just answered the question)
2022-03-31 20:06:15	artefact	cool nick artafinde
2022-03-31 20:06:52	artafinde	it is!
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2022-03-31 20:07:02	chronos3	artafind it worked thanks
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2022-03-31 20:07:23	artafinde	no problem - again wrong nick :D
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2022-03-31 20:08:54	chronos3	oh lol I didnt know I tagged you
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2022-03-31 20:10:01	chronos3	artefact, yeah I can play yt videos now tha I disabled it
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2022-03-31 20:10:56	chronos3	so should I not use pipewire..?
2022-03-31 20:11:24	artefact	so you need to fix your pipewire config. which is strange, for me it worked out of the box
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2022-03-31 20:12:10	artefact	chronos3: it really depends on what you want/need from a sound server. i use pipewire because it makes it easier to me to use DSP
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2022-03-31 20:13:19	chronos3	artefact, I just want to play yt vids and listen to music. Is pipewire required for that?
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2022-03-31 20:14:00	artefact	no. if you only have the one audio device you're fine with alsa/dmix
2022-03-31 20:14:50	artefact	if you want fancy things like per-program gain controls, switching streams from your speakers to bluetooth or a plugged in headset, etc you'll need pulseaudio or pipewire. if you want to run jack programs you'll need jack or pipewire
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2022-03-31 20:18:39	chronos3	artefact, I stole the conf from https://github.com/LukeSmithxyz/voidrice/blob/master/.config/pipewire/pipewire.conf
2022-03-31 20:18:45	chronos3	and reenabled it
2022-03-31 20:18:50	chronos3	it seems to be working
2022-03-31 20:19:15	artefact	i think you're supposed to start from the configs in /usr/share/pipewire
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2022-03-31 20:22:55	sunyibo	I have an arch vm that some lost it's network connectivity. Wo can I fix this?
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2022-03-31 20:23:55	bin	maybe stupid question but does anyone know if this patch will be applied to the package or how that works https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/74041
2022-03-31 20:23:56	phrik	Title: FS#74041 : [moc] building moc with GLIBC 2.35 causes it to crash "*** buffer overflow detected ***: terminated" (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2022-03-31 20:27:56	mtn	sunyibo: first thing to check is the vm and its settings.if that does not do it, double check your arch network settings
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2022-03-31 20:31:24	chronos3	artefact, copyinh the configs fixed  the problem, thanks for your help!
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2022-03-31 21:00:16	mewt	Hi, I've got an AUR package that seems to enjoy overwriting changes I make to the checked-out source -- is there any way I can force it to use my modified source when building?
2022-03-31 21:00:43	mewt	ah -e
2022-03-31 21:01:13	mewt	path for eigen doesn't match, now we're happily building. Ignore me
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2022-04-01 19:35:41	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-04-01 19:35:41	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1526 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1526 normals)
2022-04-01 16:13:22	raster	fabic: that's crazy talk.. backups. just git commit everything to a public git repo and let the internet do it for you :)
2022-04-01 16:14:08	fabic	also the kernel doc. talks about up to four (disconcerting) modes of buffering  https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/scsi/st.html
2022-04-01 16:14:09	phrik	Title: The SCSI Tape Driver — The Linux Kernel documentation (at www.kernel.org)
2022-04-01 16:16:26	fabic	raster, lol yes, tapes; o.o' this hardware is sooo expensive and yet so clumsy to work with
2022-04-01 16:16:55	raster	dang... tapes... they still exist?
2022-04-01 16:17:14	⚡ 	raster remembers load "*", 8, 1 and pressing play to load....
2022-04-01 16:17:19	fabic	I'm actually trying to bring back a Bareos setup to life, it won't read some tapes with 2MB blocks, and I could track down the pb to some "read buffer too small somewhere" issue :|
2022-04-01 16:17:45	Earnestly	raster: They still exist, still used, and still beat everything else in terms of cost per TB
2022-04-01 16:18:27	MacGyver	Tapes are the opposite of printer ink.
2022-04-01 16:18:37	MacGyver	You pay through the nose for the tape drive, but once you have it...
2022-04-01 16:18:40	fabic	Earnestly, they do, like 5-10 times less expensive per TB once the investment cost is "amortized"
2022-04-01 16:19:11	Earnestly	fabic: You want to know what the l a m stuff means?
2022-04-01 16:19:41	fabic	well, there'd also have in the cost of ownership to factor in.. but well
2022-04-01 16:19:50	raster	Earnestly: they have nasty seek times though :)
2022-04-01 16:19:58	fabic	Earnestly, \o   \o/   o/ !!!
2022-04-01 16:20:08	Earnestly	huh?
2022-04-01 16:20:22	fabic	(tell me it's not about compression, i'm not interrested in
2022-04-01 16:21:00	fabic	I hope these modes are about: "pick this one and you won't ever have buffer size issues"  : p
2022-04-01 16:21:41	fabic	Earnestly, i though you'd drop the definitive answer to the l/a/m suffixes...
2022-04-01 16:21:53	fabic	aren't you ?
2022-04-01 16:22:22	fabic	(it's friday evening here, it would put an end to 3+ days of wandering...)
2022-04-01 16:24:29	fabic	I would have tried any of these /dev/nst1[alm] but since /dev/st1 has the fancy feature of automatic rewinding, I'm thinking maybe nst1a would erase 'a'll, nst1m would 'm'ess up badly and nst1l would have me 'l'ong for not having fiddle with all this  : p
2022-04-01 16:25:38	fabic	sorry pals, i'm under the typical agitation of when you thinking you'll make it 
2022-04-01 16:26:00	Earnestly	non-n prefixed are auto-rewind
2022-04-01 16:26:11	fabic	glory, pride, delusion : ]
2022-04-01 16:39:57	vvn	with luks2, does the master key file use a key slot? or does it have a dedicated slot?
2022-04-01 16:40:54	Earnestly	fabic: They are arbitrary and device dependent, mapped from the bits set by the device to a table of letters.  The only thing that is defined is the n prefix.  Use mt(1) to find out what they are
2022-04-01 16:41:20	Earnestly	(Typically related to compression)
2022-04-01 16:43:17	Namarrgon	vvn: the master key has its own "slot"
2022-04-01 16:44:20	Earnestly	fabic: (And it's more than just l a and m)
2022-04-01 16:46:39	Earnestly	fabic: Typically though, l/m/a is low/medium/highest compression
2022-04-01 16:47:33	fabic	Earnestly, thank you
2022-04-01 16:48:51	Earnestly	''/l/m/a == mode0/1/2/3
2022-04-01 16:50:02	fabic	Earnestly, yes indeed, I was left confused by "how to configure these" but finally I think my solution won't be there.
2022-04-01 16:50:43	fabic	(I'm back to my "Bareos can't read tapes with 2 MB blocks it wrote a long time ago"...)
2022-04-01 16:51:27	fabic	oh I found #bareos, was certain it didn't exist !
2022-04-01 16:51:32	Earnestly	fabic: stinit (mt-st) can configure them
2022-04-01 16:51:41	Earnestly	> https://github.com/iustin/mt-st/blob/master/stinit.def.examples
2022-04-01 16:51:42	fabic	thanks a lot for the help;
2022-04-01 16:52:00	fabic	stinit thx I'll check this
2022-04-01 16:52:03	Earnestly	Where you can define what mode1..4 does
2022-04-01 16:59:28	cyphertite	vvn:  you can see all of your occupied luks2 keyslots with `cryptsetup luksDump /dev/nvme0n1pX` (or similar)
2022-04-01 17:11:51	cyphertite	vvn:  if you only have luks2 (the default) encrypted / - and don't also boot from an encrypted /boot, likely only Keyslot 0 will be occupied
2022-04-01 17:44:56	Reid	so, I'll get straight to the point: installed Arch with systemd-boot, the configs are all tripple checked to be correct, but no entries show up besides "reboot to firmware"
2022-04-01 17:45:02	Reid	any ideas what could cause this?
2022-04-01 17:45:35	Foxboron	Well, yes. But you need to tell us what you did
2022-04-01 17:45:40	Foxboron	In detail, preferably
2022-04-01 17:45:44	Namarrgon	are the configs in the correct path?
2022-04-01 17:46:27	Reid	yes, esp mounted to /boot, entires in /boot/loader/entries, tripple checked their contents, the file extensions and all are all good
2022-04-01 17:46:31	SysGhost	Reid: you installed and configured the boot loader... but... did you activate it? UEFI or legacy BIOS
2022-04-01 17:46:53	Reid	UEFI, the bootloader does actually boot but its entries to boot the OS don't show up
2022-04-01 17:46:59	Namarrgon	do you have more than one ESP on this system?
2022-04-01 17:47:11	Reid	another one for Windows on another partition
2022-04-01 17:47:22	Namarrgon	are you sure you're booting the correct loader then?
2022-04-01 17:47:27	Reid	yes
2022-04-01 17:47:38	SysGhost	configure your nvram to boot the correct entry.
2022-04-01 17:47:46	CubeTheThird	can you provide a sample of your entry?
2022-04-01 17:48:07	Reid	again, the systemd-boot menu shows up fine, but the entries from /boot/loader/entries don't show up in there
2022-04-01 17:48:28	SysGhost	ah. Then they're not in the right path/partition
2022-04-01 17:48:30	Reid	CubeTheThird: gimme a minute to grab it
2022-04-01 17:49:18	⚡ 	Scimmia predicts the file paths are wrong
2022-04-01 17:49:19	Reid	SysGhost: it's in the right place
2022-04-01 17:50:02	SysGhost	right place, but the right partition?
2022-04-01 17:50:08	Namarrgon	post the "efibootmgr -v" and "lsblk -fo +partuuid" output
2022-04-01 17:51:33	Scimmia	We need one of the entry configs
2022-04-01 17:51:36	Scimmia	!give Reid paste
2022-04-01 17:51:37	phrik	Reid: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-04-01 17:52:18	Reid	need to type the entries manually :')
2022-04-01 17:52:20	Reid	*fun*
2022-04-01 17:52:53	Scimmia	Reid: no, paste them. See what phrik gave you
2022-04-01 17:53:15	CubeTheThird	you can pipe to ix.io from cli if you have network access
2022-04-01 17:53:21	Reid	o
2022-04-01 17:53:22	Namarrgon	don't type them out manually, you'll either introduce new errors or mask the ones currently in the config
2022-04-01 17:53:24	Reid	forgot about that
2022-04-01 17:57:03	cyphertite	Reid:  something like:  cat /boot/efi/loader/entries/arch.conf | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io ought to work ;p
2022-04-01 17:59:32	gehidore	that arrow will probably kill it
2022-04-01 18:03:22	Reid	boot entry: http://ix.io/3U1n ; efibootmgr output: http://ix.io/3U1m ; lsblk: http://ix.io/3U1r
2022-04-01 18:04:09	Scimmia	Reid: vmlinux-linux is not a file
2022-04-01 18:04:27	Scimmia	z != x
2022-04-01 18:04:38	Reid	wait
2022-04-01 18:04:40	Reid	aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
2022-04-01 18:04:42	Reid	I'm raging
2022-04-01 18:04:50	Reid	told them to fix that goddamned thing
2022-04-01 18:05:09	Reid	yes I am infact helping someone else with this AND I TOLD THEM TO FIX THAT FUCKING TYPO A WEEK AGO
2022-04-01 18:06:16	Reid	ok thank you all for your patience with this, I'll go back to the hell of helping someone who won't listen to fix their Arch
2022-04-01 18:06:23	Scimmia	good luck
2022-04-01 18:08:20	Reid	Scimmia: thanks, I'll need plenty of it
2022-04-01 18:21:46	gehidore	sounds like someone who shouldn't be using arch possibly?
2022-04-01 18:22:02	Ingar	Reid: don't waste support time om someone who doesnt listen. or at least bill by the hour.
2022-04-01 18:22:12	Reid	gehidore: yes
2022-04-01 18:23:01	Reid	Ingar: would if it wasn't my gf, she keeps insisting on having an Arch install just like mine despite mine being really funky with all kinds of small tweaks everywhere
2022-04-01 18:23:43	Ingar	Reid: grow a spine! :p
2022-04-01 18:24:57	Ingar	ofc, gf have alternative billing methods
2022-04-01 18:25:21	ramblebamble	Reid well that sounds interesting from a relationship perspective
2022-04-01 18:25:26	⚡ 	ramblebamble chuckles
2022-04-01 18:25:45	ramblebamble	She takes an interest in your Linux-installation
2022-04-01 18:26:15	Ingar	ramblebamble: women with IT knowledge actually exist you know ;)
2022-04-01 18:26:29	ramblebamble	That is not what I mean
2022-04-01 18:26:33	ramblebamble	of course they exist
2022-04-01 18:26:38	Reid	Ingar: they do, my gf ain't one of them tho
2022-04-01 18:27:38	ramblebamble	but HIS gf taking an interest in HIS setup and wanting to use it shows up one of several possiblities, one is that she wants to walk more in his shoes which is a nice thing in any relationship regardless of the 'shoe' in question
2022-04-01 18:28:12	Ingar	I'm jealous, obviously
2022-04-01 18:29:06	DeepDayze	Females are pretty computer savvy no?
2022-04-01 18:29:29	Reid	some of them have a black belt in computer-fu
2022-04-01 18:29:42	DeepDayze	There's some hard core female gamers out there who put the males to shame
2022-04-01 18:30:05	DeepDayze	Reid: definitely
2022-04-01 18:30:22	Ingar	gamer does not include computer savvy though
2022-04-01 18:30:36	ramblebamble	Not just games, I ran into a couple of Krav Maga instructors and they were stout in there skillset
2022-04-01 18:30:41	Reid	well they're both fields generally considered to be "mostly male"
2022-04-01 18:30:51	ramblebamble	It is all a matter of practice in the end, and sometimes, physicality
2022-04-01 18:30:59	DeepDayze	Oh yes and most males would call them tomboys lol
2022-04-01 18:31:50	Reid	DeepDayze: because stupid gender roles
2022-04-01 18:32:08	ramblebamble	Reid, yes because only males sacrifies personal live and friendships to that extend and most women keep a low profile because lot's of INCELS and people with questionable personalities are roaming the electronic wires
2022-04-01 18:32:23	Reid	oh yeah that too
2022-04-01 18:32:33	Namarrgon	let's stop here and get back on topic before someone's feelings get hurt
2022-04-01 18:32:38	Reid	you don't see a lot of women online because most just say they're male to avoid creeps
2022-04-01 18:32:42	⚡ 	ramblebamble nods
2022-04-01 18:32:45	Reid	well, not counting instagram
2022-04-01 18:32:50	Reid	but we don't talk about instagram thots
2022-04-01 18:34:04	Reid	also maybe should move this convo somewhere else?
2022-04-01 18:34:15	Reid	unless it's a done deal and everyone moved on with their lives already
2022-04-01 18:35:37	jelle	yes, lets move to a new topic
2022-04-01 18:36:35	DeepDayze	+1
2022-04-01 18:37:22	DeepDayze	Sorry about that as rabbit holes tend to get deep...
2022-04-01 18:38:38	Reid	DeepDayze: that's a lie, I saw a rabbit hole the other day and it went down maybe 30cm
2022-04-01 18:39:12	ramblebamble	soooooo.... I heard you guys use linux..... I use arch btw.
2022-04-01 18:39:26	Reid	what a coincidence, so do I
2022-04-01 18:39:38	Namarrgon	reddit is this way ->
2022-04-01 18:40:06	Reid	fk Reddit
2022-04-01 18:40:08	DeepDayze	Lol
2022-04-01 18:43:15	gehidore	/kick ramblebamble btw we all use arch 
2022-04-01 18:43:32	vvn	I'm not sure to understand the point of a master key file, if luks provides multiple key slots already
2022-04-01 18:43:51	Namarrgon	"master key file"?
2022-04-01 18:44:17	vvn	Namarrgon: what's your question exactly?
2022-04-01 18:44:29	Namarrgon	what do you mean by that? the master password?
2022-04-01 18:44:42	Namarrgon	s/password/key/
2022-04-01 18:44:56	vvn	Namarrgon: yes, --master-key-file
2022-04-01 18:45:12	vvn	what's the advantage of a master-key-file vs normal key-file?
2022-04-01 18:45:33	ramblebamble	vvn, if I understand you correctly it is one way of decrypting the partition, you can have several keyfiles for the same purpose, the master-key is not given to you but kept by luks because that thing is encrypted by pw/keyfile
2022-04-01 18:46:07	Namarrgon	vvn: the point is that you can use a specific key if you have a good reason
2022-04-01 18:46:18	Namarrgon	instead of generating a random one
2022-04-01 18:48:11	vvn	Namarrgon: that doesn't make sense. You can encrypt a partition with a random or specific key given with --key-file
2022-04-01 18:52:18	ramblebamble	vvn, that is what I thought you ment and misunderstood, Namarrgon is right `man cryptsetup` . you also have a --dump-master-key which writes the master-key to file and you can then use it later with your option. luks generates a really big key to encrypt your parition, this key in turn is then encrypted using your password or the key-file you provide, this allows you to easily switch passwords
2022-04-01 18:52:20	ramblebamble	without having to reincrypt the entire hard-drive or have multiple passwords to the same data.
2022-04-01 18:55:47	vvn	ramblebamble: ho I think I understand what you mean. The various key in their respective slots (passed with --key-file) are in fact keys to decrypt the master key file implicitly generated, or explicitly provided by --master-key-file. Is that correct?
2022-04-01 18:57:00	ramblebamble	yes, when looking at --master-key-file in the man-pages it says in the first line describing the option "Use a master key stored in a file"
2022-04-01 19:12:40	artefact	the master key is the only thing you need, you can mount manually with dm-crypt if you like
2022-04-01 19:18:06	vvn	artefact: I have a system with two rootfs accessing the same encrypted partition. I'm not sure whether I must use a single key file (thus a master key file) everywhere or one key file per rootfs
2022-04-01 19:21:11	artefact	i don't understand your question
2022-04-01 19:23:19	vvn	artefact: nevermind I confused myself
2022-04-01 19:33:17	arjab	Does anybody know whether VKD3D installs DLLs to /usr/share like DXVK does? I can't find where it's installed to.
2022-04-01 19:33:54	artefact	it's part of wine, isn't it?
2022-04-01 19:34:18	arjab	Yes, it's a DirectX to Vulkan implementation.
2022-04-01 19:34:34	artefact	check the file list of the package containing it
2022-04-01 19:34:34	susi	vvn: having extra key or password probably won't better the security
2022-04-01 19:35:41	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-04-01 19:36:09	arjab	artefact Ah thanks! Apparently no DLLs.
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2022-04-01 19:37:56	CubeTheThird	why would DLLs go in /usr/share? Is that from an AUR package?
2022-04-01 19:38:10	artefact	arjab: check /usr/lib/libvkd3d*
2022-04-01 19:39:21	artefact	CubeTheThird: dxvk puts their dlls there, they get copied/symlinked into actual wine prefixes
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2022-04-01 19:41:20	CubeTheThird	interesting
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2022-04-01 19:50:54	susi	where are "xset s" (cycle & timeout) values set or defined? I had them something other I've ever set manually
2022-04-01 19:53:13	artefact	xinitrc/xsessionrc?
2022-04-01 19:54:01	artefact	or, depending on how you run x, -ardelay and -arinterval
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2022-04-01 19:54:14	susi	and what if they aren't set anywhere?
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2022-04-01 19:55:33	Earnestly	Defaults
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2022-04-01 20:02:24	babyface	during the installation how do I force the Arch installer to use a dns-server of my chosing?
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2022-04-01 20:04:13	artefact	try resolvectl
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2022-04-01 20:05:19	MrElendig	/etc/resolve.conf
2022-04-01 20:05:37	MrElendig	-e
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2022-04-01 20:06:02	babyface	I already change dns in /etc/resolv.conf but that did't work
2022-04-01 20:06:12	babyface	changed*
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2022-04-01 20:06:46	babyface	resolvcectl lists my dns server as my router :(
2022-04-01 20:07:05	jonathon	how do you know it didn't work?
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2022-04-01 20:07:36	artefact	look at resolvectl dns command in https://man.archlinux.org/man/resolvectl.1#COMMANDS
2022-04-01 20:07:37	phrik	Title: resolvectl(1) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2022-04-01 20:07:45	ramblebamble	babyface, I havn't installed in a long time but interfaces have llmnr which allows them to resolve things independent of the system-configuration, IIRC
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2022-04-01 20:08:16	Scimmia	Last I knew, systemd-resolved wasn't running by default on the ISO. Has that changed?
2022-04-01 20:08:59	artefact	oh, maybe not, i just assumed it was using it. my bad
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2022-04-01 20:09:15	Scimmia	Maybe it has, I know it went to networkd
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2022-04-01 20:14:29	Bayes	My usb bluetooth dongle is not compatible so I'll get a new one, is there a way I can check the compatibility before buying?
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2022-04-01 20:15:18	babyface	if I can't point to another dns-server I won't be able to complete the installation
2022-04-01 20:15:48	Edu4rdSHL	babyface, search for fully compatible buetooth chipsets and then buy one that have that chipset
2022-04-01 20:15:54	Edu4rdSHL	bluetooth *
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2022-04-01 20:17:22	Edu4rdSHL	babyface, echo -e "[Resolve]\nDNS=8.8.8.8" > /etc/systemd/resolved.conf.d/custom.conf && systemctl restart systemd-resolved
2022-04-01 20:17:34	Edu4rdSHL	Change 8.8.8.8 for the DNS that you want to use
2022-04-01 20:17:51	Bayes	Edu4rdSHL is there an official a compatibility list?
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2022-04-01 20:18:17	lash	any idea how to modeswitch a samsung a7x to get it to show up as aq partition?
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2022-04-01 20:18:25	lash	 kernel: cdc_acm: USB Abstract Control Model driver for USB modems and ISDN adapters <- what it pops up as by default
2022-04-01 20:18:30	jonathon	babyface: how do you know that editing /etc/resolv.conf didn't change the DNS resolver?
2022-04-01 20:19:02	babyface	jonathon, ping google.com
2022-04-01 20:19:05	Edu4rdSHL	Bayes, there are resources in the internet such as https://linuxhint.com/linux-compatible-bluetooth-dongles/
2022-04-01 20:19:21	Edu4rdSHL	But "officially" no
2022-04-01 20:19:24	Bayes	Edu4rdSHL okay thanks that what I found in google
2022-04-01 20:19:28	Bayes	thx :D
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2022-04-01 20:20:37	DeepDayze	you mean gargle, Bayes :P
2022-04-01 20:21:43	Edu4rdSHL	babyface, did you read what I wrote? 
2022-04-01 20:21:48	Edu4rdSHL	That will fix your problem
2022-04-01 20:22:28	jonathon	babyface: I've just loaded archiso 2022.03.01. The first `dig` says it's using 127.0.0.1:53. I edited /etc/resolv.conf and the second `dig` says it's using the nameserver I chose. Therefore, you are doing something different.
2022-04-01 20:23:05	jonathon	can also verify with e.g. `nslookup google.com`
2022-04-01 20:24:42	artefact	ah, so archiso is using resolved
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2022-04-01 20:25:10	Edu4rdSHL	networkd + resolved, yes
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2022-04-01 20:31:21	Edu4rdSHL	https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/critical-gitlab-vulnerability-lets-attackers-take-over-accounts/ ugh
2022-04-01 20:31:24	phrik	Title: Critical GitLab vulnerability lets attackers take over accounts (at www.bleepingcomputer.com)
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2022-04-01 20:31:48	Edu4rdSHL	And it isn't an april fool's article :p
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2022-04-01 20:36:48	Scimmia	If it's the one I'm thinking of, it's not a joke
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2022-04-01 20:37:22	Scimmia	Yep, definitely not
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2022-04-01 20:41:03	DeepDayze	One friend's gitlab got taken over...no fun
2022-04-01 20:41:25	DeepDayze	He made a new one
2022-04-01 20:41:56	DeepDayze	but was a bit fiddly restoring his projects that he had backed up
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2022-04-01 20:42:57	Edu4rdSHL	iirc you still need to confirm an email change, you don't?
2022-04-01 20:43:08	Edu4rdSHL	I mean, using the old email address
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2022-04-01 20:56:45	babyface	I've installed other distros by adding a dns-server to /etc/resolv.conf and that worked well but that doesn't work with Arch so I won't be able to complete the installation :/
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2022-04-01 20:57:13	Namarrgon	why do you need to set a different dns server?
2022-04-01 20:57:43	babyface	I need ANY dns-server
2022-04-01 20:57:52	Edu4rdSHL	babyface, multiple people have you explained that it works and the possible ways to achieve it
2022-04-01 20:58:01	Edu4rdSHL	You don't read or you're dumb?
2022-04-01 20:58:10	jelle	systemd-resolvd fallsback by default :)
2022-04-01 20:58:16	Edu4rdSHL	You seems to ignore all the solutions and continue asking the same shit
2022-04-01 20:58:50	babyface	I tried your suggestions 
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2022-04-01 20:59:02	jonathon	what specific problem are you having?
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2022-04-01 20:59:06	river	I got steam installed in the 'steam' user in flatpak and it works
2022-04-01 20:59:32	Edu4rdSHL	Congrats
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2022-04-01 21:03:56	Numero	yamaha audiogram6 usb interface. i know it's worked before at least for output but right now there's no output and i can't see where i can enable it once plugged in. dmesg says a few thngs ending with " hid-generic 0003:08BB:29B6.0010: input,hidraw2: USB HID v1.00 Device [Burr-Brown from TI               USB Audio CODEC ] on usb-0000:00:1d.2-1/input3"
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2022-04-01 21:06:31	Numero	i have output from the internal PC speaker, that's all
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2022-04-01 21:07:42	Namarrgon	Numero: uname -r && pacman -Q linux
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2022-04-01 21:09:09	Numero	Namarrgon: 5.16.13-arch1-1
2022-04-01 21:09:09	Numero	linux 5.16.16.arch1-1
2022-04-01 21:09:28	jonathon	rebooooooooooooo
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2022-04-01 21:11:00	Namarrgon	-Syu and reboot into the new kernel
2022-04-01 21:11:06	Bayes	MacGyver dang it seems the pulseaudio bit in't working
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2022-04-01 21:12:18	Numero	Namarrgon: ok, thanks
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2022-04-01 21:20:19	DeepDayze	pipewire seems to be the new way...
2022-04-01 21:20:27	pulec	ono, new hdd issue https://0x0.st/oqGK.txt mpan 
2022-04-01 21:20:31	pulec	this is bad
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2022-04-01 21:21:14	DeepDayze	Is that a regular hdd or an ssd?
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2022-04-01 21:21:46	DeepDayze	when you see errors like that on a hdd it may be time to consider replacement
2022-04-01 21:21:51	Earnestly	pulec: rma
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2022-04-01 21:22:01	DeepDayze	ssd can fail  without warning too
2022-04-01 21:22:10	jelle	DeepDayze: hdd
2022-04-01 21:22:22	DeepDayze	okay yes i recommend rma as well.
2022-04-01 21:22:43	Earnestly	(badblocks can give you a list if you really want them, but even with a bad block list, more can appear afterwards :/)
2022-04-01 21:23:14	DeepDayze	true that
2022-04-01 21:23:15	pulec	18tb toshiba, yah
2022-04-01 21:23:24	pulec	https://simply.reviews/toshiba-18tb-mg09aca18te-review/
2022-04-01 21:23:27	DeepDayze	I prefer either WD or Seagate
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2022-04-01 21:23:42	pulec	I don't
2022-04-01 21:23:43	DeepDayze	I have several WD's and a couple seagates
2022-04-01 21:23:55	◣	vitali64 (~vitali64@user/vitali64) ha salido (Quit: Lost terminal)
2022-04-01 21:23:57	pulec	but other toshibas failed on me as well
2022-04-01 21:24:04	⚡ 	Earnestly had to jerry rig a rpi as serial console to seagate barracuda to unstuckify it
2022-04-01 21:24:05	DeepDayze	in my big rig I have 2 seagate hdds
2022-04-01 21:24:19	pulec	unstuckify huh?
2022-04-01 21:24:30	pulec	how do you communicate with HDD with COM?
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2022-04-01 21:24:56	pulec	DeepDayze: I often lookup backblaze backup's hdd status
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2022-04-01 21:25:35	Earnestly	pulec: Well known problem with that particular batch of seagates, the 7200.11  https://www.mathewinkson.com/2009/05/unbricking-a-seagate-barracuda
2022-04-01 21:25:35	DeepDayze	check smart status as well. My oldest hdd is 7 years old
2022-04-01 21:25:37	phrik	Title: Unbricking a Seagate Barracuda – Mathew Inkson (at www.mathewinkson.com)
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2022-04-01 21:25:57	gehidore	I'm afraid to know how old my oldest running disk is
2022-04-01 21:26:04	Earnestly	Link links to relevant links, it's just rabbit hole entrance
2022-04-01 21:26:05	DeepDayze	in my junk box I have 3 7200.11s and they thankfully still work
2022-04-01 21:26:07	Numero	Namarrgon: that made all the difference, thanks
2022-04-01 21:26:27	DeepDayze	2 are 250's and 1 is a 500GB
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2022-04-01 21:26:46	Bayes	are audio sinks really confusing or is it just me sucking at this?
2022-04-01 21:26:47	Earnestly	gehidore: I had some old maxtor fireballs which I had to get a pata adapter for and they surprisingly ddrescued without a single read error (and a bunch of 20+ year old 20/40G drives)
2022-04-01 21:26:50	DeepDayze	never had bricked any
2022-04-01 21:27:04	DeepDayze	maxtor fireballs...fun drives
2022-04-01 21:27:06	Earnestly	DeepDayze: It's luck, so you may want to update their firmware while you can
2022-04-01 21:27:18	Earnestly	To be fair, one of the fireballs was just dead
2022-04-01 21:27:22	pulec	Earnestly: ooooh so that's what those pins are for
2022-04-01 21:27:29	Earnestly	But those that could read, read perfectly
2022-04-01 21:27:46	DeepDayze	I'm gonna dig those 7200.11s out and test them
2022-04-01 21:27:48	◣	Researcher (ceo@2a04:dd00:14:11::6667:6668) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-04-01 21:27:56	DeepDayze	I use them for backup drives
2022-04-01 21:28:16	DeepDayze	thanks for the article link
2022-04-01 21:28:21	◣	volki57 (~volki57@gateway/tor-sasl/volki57) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-04-01 21:28:40	Earnestly	DeepDayze: The forum linked has all the deets https://msfn.org/board/topic/128807-the-solution-for-seagate-720011-hdds/
2022-04-01 21:28:44	phrik	Title: The Solution for Seagate 7200.11 HDDs - Hard Drive and Removable Media - MSFN (at msfn.org)
2022-04-01 21:29:00	DeepDayze	Earnestly: thanks and bookmarked
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2022-04-01 21:29:22	DeepDayze	I slap the drives into an external sata case and then hook them to the machine as a backup device
2022-04-01 21:29:36	Earnestly	I used an old rpi instead of getting stuff, and made an old 5 pin jst plug fit the header things
2022-04-01 21:29:36	DeepDayze	so will take a look updating the fw on these
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2022-04-01 21:30:35	DeepDayze	Those Toshiba drives are a mixed bag Pulec.
2022-04-01 21:30:46	pulec	DeepDayze: exp?
2022-04-01 21:31:16	DeepDayze	I been reading a few reviews. In fact I had older Toshiba drives fail in my laptop
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2022-04-01 21:31:36	Earnestly	hgst is toshiba, but not all toshiba is hgst
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2022-04-01 21:32:06	DeepDayze	hgst is ok for the most part but yeah they have some qc issues 
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2022-04-01 21:32:28	DeepDayze	i owned hitachi drives in the past
2022-04-01 21:33:00	pulec	Hitachi good
2022-04-01 21:33:03	DeepDayze	so yes rma that drive pulec. How long ago did you buy it?
2022-04-01 21:33:10	pulec	like 2 months ago
2022-04-01 21:33:27	pulec	it would be ideal if I had some way of triggering it for the RMA purposes
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2022-04-01 21:33:37	pulec	but usually it just happens when steam is doing updates
2022-04-01 21:33:37	DeepDayze	so you may have time...reach out to where you bought it for their rma process
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2022-04-01 21:33:44	Earnestly	So much effort to make rs adapters for this console stuff, I'm glad the rpi exists lol
2022-04-01 21:33:57	Earnestly	rs232*
2022-04-01 21:34:10	DeepDayze	rs232 is old stuff lol
2022-04-01 21:34:12	pulec	btw I tried setting -B parameter for power management to 254, meaning almost 0 power saving, but not turning it off with 255
2022-04-01 21:34:15	Earnestly	And has both v3 and v5
2022-04-01 21:34:16	pulec	with hdparm
2022-04-01 21:34:32	Earnestly	3v and 5v*
2022-04-01 21:34:37	pulec	DeepDayze: of course there is time, 2 warranty at least for all the HW sold in CZ
2022-04-01 21:34:43	pulec	no silly 1y in USA bs
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2022-04-01 21:34:48	DeepDayze	try completely disabling power management and see what happens
2022-04-01 21:34:50	Earnestly	The new seagate exos 18 stuff has ECC, which is... interesting
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2022-04-01 21:35:01	pulec	Earnestly: you don't have pc with com?
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2022-04-01 21:35:07	pulec	there is com female to usb
2022-04-01 21:35:14	Earnestly	pulec: no, don't really need one with pi
2022-04-01 21:35:26	Earnestly	so far
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2022-04-01 21:35:39	pulec	what is ECC good for?
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2022-04-01 21:36:00	pulec	DeepDayze: noted, I was also thinking about setting the sleep, the parameter....
2022-04-01 21:36:11	◣	coaxing (~coaxing@user/coaxing) ha salido (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2022-04-01 21:36:21	Earnestly	error correcting codes
2022-04-01 21:36:25	DeepDayze	sometimes if drive goes to sleep it might not wake up in time
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2022-04-01 21:36:35	Earnestly	It's not quite that, some 'TDMR' tech
2022-04-01 21:36:36	DeepDayze	thus triggering errors
2022-04-01 21:36:47	Earnestly	Because density
2022-04-01 21:37:01	DeepDayze	before you rma it, try that pulec..disable power management on that drive
2022-04-01 21:37:10	Earnestly	DeepDayze: I/O errors tho
2022-04-01 21:37:12	pulec	yeah -B 255 set
2022-04-01 21:37:37	DeepDayze	watch the logs and do normal tasks on the machine like copying a file to the drive
2022-04-01 21:37:37	pulec	and then I'm thinking -S modes, 
2022-04-01 21:37:55	DeepDayze	try a large file
2022-04-01 21:38:17	pulec	I monitor just with journalctl
2022-04-01 21:38:20	Earnestly	If you want to check the drive
2022-04-01 21:38:20	pulec	maybe dmesg -w
2022-04-01 21:38:25	Earnestly	as I noted, use badblocks
2022-04-01 21:38:37	DeepDayze	a badblocks scan will take a while
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2022-04-01 21:38:49	DeepDayze	so that might be good to determine the severity of the problem
2022-04-01 21:38:50	pulec	I have 2 weeks until salary
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2022-04-01 21:38:59	pulec	smart short test was ok, haven't done long test yet
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2022-04-01 21:39:16	pulec	then I'm thinking if to get same toshiba, probably not...
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2022-04-01 21:39:45	pulec	or probably that seagate exos then
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2022-04-01 21:40:35	DeepDayze	sounds like a plan
2022-04-01 21:40:41	DeepDayze	try the long test
2022-04-01 21:40:42	pulec	oh ~330 eur here, not bad
2022-04-01 21:40:56	jelle	pulec: time for raid1 or raid 5 ;-)
2022-04-01 21:41:04	DeepDayze	that's like about $500 USD...about what I see in the states
2022-04-01 21:41:18	pulec	jelle: with my ITX build? :-)
2022-04-01 21:41:26	jelle	pulec: how many sata ports do you have :p
2022-04-01 21:41:26	pulec	only one place for 3.5" hdd
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2022-04-01 21:41:38	pulec	got 2 SSDs and one HDD
2022-04-01 21:41:41	pulec	4 ports on this itx mobo
2022-04-01 21:41:44	jelle	ooooo
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2022-04-01 21:42:03	pulec	jelle: I got full atx with fractal and space for many drives
2022-04-01 21:42:15	pulec	but all raids cut on size, meh for me
2022-04-01 21:42:20	pulec	I need moar TBs!
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2022-04-01 21:42:38	pulec	hm dmesg -w shows same and less info than journalctl
2022-04-01 21:42:48	pulec	any other ideas for logs DeepDayze?
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2022-04-02 09:11:37	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-04-02 08:51:58	ville	howdy. anyone using audacious and openbox? how can i get the playlist editor to not show up on alt-tab list? the usual rc.xml skip_pager and skip_taskbar do not apppear to work
2022-04-02 09:11:37	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-02 19:20:41	gehidore	rootflags could be
2022-04-02 19:21:06	gehidore	or whatever grub uses to pass then
2022-04-02 19:33:25	artefact	oh, right. i'm stuck in sd-encrypt mindset
2022-04-02 20:32:21	brjl	I think there's still something wrong with my nvidia driver :þ
2022-04-02 20:33:01	brjl	Now I'm getting a X bad request
2022-04-02 20:33:53	brjl	When trying to open steam, for example.
2022-04-02 20:37:50	artefact	is your system up-to-date? do you use suspend/resume?
2022-04-02 20:38:36	brjl	artefact: As up-to-date as I believe it can be. And no.
2022-04-02 20:39:15	artefact	can you reproduce with just "exec steam" in your xinitrc?
2022-04-02 20:41:30	MrElendig	brjl: mismatched nvidia module and kernel?
2022-04-02 20:42:16	MrElendig	or module and nvidia-utils
2022-04-02 20:43:24	brjl	MrElendig: I'm using dkms, no kernel NVIDIA kernel modules on my initcpio.
2022-04-02 20:44:10	brjl	With that said, adding the nvidia modules and trying to rebuild the package fails ("Module not found")
2022-04-02 20:44:28	brjl	Fails both with linux and linux-lts
2022-04-02 20:45:26	artefact	that's probably related. try reinstalling nvidia or the kernel to re-run the dkms hook?
2022-04-02 20:45:56	brjl	artefact: I can just re-run dkms itself. But yeah.
2022-04-02 20:48:10	brjl	Although I've already done it, I'll do it again.
2022-04-02 20:50:41	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-02 20:53:26	brjl	Pretty sure this ain't gonna work. But here's goes nothing...
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2022-04-02 20:56:08	brjl	Yeah, no.
2022-04-02 20:56:32	artefact	can you run any other program to test the driver?
2022-04-02 20:56:40	brjl	I must say, though. I'm running kepler (nvidia-470-xx)
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2022-04-02 20:56:59	artefact	me too. let me check steam
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2022-04-02 20:57:54	brjl	artefact: Wine fails on GLX, same error with steam. (X_GLXCreateContext).
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2022-04-02 20:58:04	brjl	Oddlyenough, glxgears works fine.
2022-04-02 20:58:16	MrElendig	xorg log
2022-04-02 20:58:27	MrElendig	sounds like a classic version mismatch
2022-04-02 20:58:55	artefact	mine works. linux 5.17.1, nvidia-470xx 470.103.01
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2022-04-02 20:59:21	brjl	I haven't tried deleting xorg.conf, though...
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2022-04-02 21:00:04	artefact	i have forcefullcompositionpipeline enabled, and composite extension disabled, but i doubt any of it makes a difference
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2022-04-02 21:00:52	mssdvd	Am I the only one who had problems with the lastest update of intel-gmmlib?
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2022-04-02 21:01:09	mssdvd	With that installed vaapi stopped working.
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2022-04-02 21:03:10	brjl	MrElendig: Where do I check this
2022-04-02 21:03:22	brjl	I'm probably looking at the wrong xorg logs.
2022-04-02 21:03:34	teraflops	!xorg logs
2022-04-02 21:03:36	phrik	teraflops: The answer is 42.
2022-04-02 21:03:40	teraflops	;(
2022-04-02 21:03:47	MrElendig	!xorg log
2022-04-02 21:03:48	phrik	xorg's log can be found in one of several places: the system journal, /var/log/ or $HOME/.local/share/xorg/
2022-04-02 21:03:52	teraflops	thanks
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2022-04-02 21:05:09	brjl	MrElendig: I looked on the latter two, but not journal.
2022-04-02 21:05:13	brjl	And yes, you're right.
2022-04-02 21:05:37	MrElendig	what card is this btw?
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2022-04-02 21:06:17	brjl	GTX650. Old friend of mine.
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2022-04-02 21:06:31	brjl	(Which I wish to replace soon, but not now :þ)
2022-04-02 21:07:00	artefact	won't be long before new gpus are more expensive than their weight in gold
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2022-04-02 21:07:09	ℹ 	cdown_ es conocido ahora como cdown
2022-04-02 21:07:38	teraflops	lot of new stuff is coming tho
2022-04-02 21:07:44	artefact	the supply chain issues made amd/nvidia realise, they can charge a lot more for their products and they'll still have tons of buyers
2022-04-02 21:07:44	teraflops	intel and the chinese one
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2022-04-02 21:08:37	MrElendig	expect msrp for next gen to jump by 100usd across the line
2022-04-02 21:08:40	MrElendig	lineup*
2022-04-02 21:08:46	brjl	artefact: You seem to misaprehend me for someone who would buy a *new* GPU.
2022-04-02 21:09:01	brjl	MrElendig: How can I fix this particular problem?
2022-04-02 21:09:07	brjl	Rather, what went wrong?
2022-04-02 21:09:14	artefact	still waiting for the xorg logs
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2022-04-02 21:09:21	MrElendig	brjl: is the module older than the utils?
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2022-04-02 21:09:51	brjl	artefact: It's a version mismatch.
2022-04-02 21:09:52	MrElendig	if so, rebuild it and reboot (or exit X and reload the module)
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2022-04-02 21:10:05	artefact	oh
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2022-04-02 21:10:41	brjl	MrElendig: I'm pretty sure I rebuilt everything though :þ
2022-04-02 21:10:49	◣	catman (~catman@user/catman) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-04-02 21:10:50	brjl	(I'm also prettys ure I'm doing something wrong.)
2022-04-02 21:10:51	MrElendig	reboot and find out
2022-04-02 21:11:14	artefact	i'm not sure how one can get a version mismatch with nvidia-470xx-{dkms,utils}
2022-04-02 21:11:21	artefact	you have both installed, right?
2022-04-02 21:11:38	artefact	(including lib32?)
2022-04-02 21:11:40	brjl	artefact: Yes. 470xx-utils installs -dkms automatically
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2022-04-02 21:12:42	brjl	Huh, I forgot to rebuild the lib32 ones...
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2022-04-02 21:12:48	brjl	That might be it.
2022-04-02 21:13:01	artefact	that would explain why glxgears works, but not wine or steam, yeah
2022-04-02 21:14:28	brjl	Yeah... Lemme rebuild everything and reboot.
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2022-04-02 21:14:51	artefact	you don't need to reboot if you have the right kmod
2022-04-02 21:15:59	brjl	artefact: You're right
2022-04-02 21:16:04	brjl	Both of you
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2022-04-02 21:16:21	brjl	!give beer artefact
2022-04-02 21:16:21	phrik	beer: Is that a question?
2022-04-02 21:16:36	brjl	Oops
2022-04-02 21:16:42	brjl	!give artefact beer
2022-04-02 21:16:42	phrik	artefact: http://pic.53280.de/factoids/beer.jpg
2022-04-02 21:16:50	brjl	!give MrElendig beer
2022-04-02 21:16:51	phrik	MrElendig: http://pic.53280.de/factoids/beer.jpg
2022-04-02 21:16:59	artefact	neat
2022-04-02 21:17:10	brjl	Thanks, I had to rebuild the driver after an update last week...
2022-04-02 21:17:22	brjl	Forgot to rebuild the lib32's
2022-04-02 21:17:28	brjl	THanks a lot, both of you.
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2022-04-02 21:58:24	pro	is there "some script" that clear all my clipboards?
2022-04-02 21:59:03	artefact	echo | xclip; echo | xclip -selection clipboard
2022-04-02 22:00:31	Edu4rdSHL	That wouldn't clean all the clipboards
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2022-04-02 22:00:41	pro	and how exactly do you bind this, a keyboard shortcut? What is the most convinient way to run it?
2022-04-02 22:01:03	Edu4rdSHL	It depends on the clipboard that you're using, so, no, there is not script that does it because it depends on the clipboard that you use
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2022-04-02 22:01:28	Edu4rdSHL	And why would you be using "clipboards", just use one...
2022-04-02 22:01:42	pro	I have none installed
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2022-04-02 22:02:48	pro	but I've noticed right-middle click is not the same as ctrl+c-ctrl+v
2022-04-02 22:03:02	Edu4rdSHL	That's called "primary clipboard"
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2022-04-02 22:03:17	Edu4rdSHL	And it doesn't have an history
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2022-04-02 22:03:38	pro	well I don't want a history
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2022-04-02 22:04:10	Edu4rdSHL	It doesn't have a history.
2022-04-02 22:04:17	artefact	the commands i gave will clear both the x clipboard and the x selection
2022-04-02 22:04:33	artefact	you can bind it to a global key using eg, xbindkeys or something specific from your desktop environment
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2022-04-02 22:05:11	pro	I was just asking if you also have it bind to certain key combination
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2022-04-02 22:07:56	Ghosthree3	Edu4rdSHL: i really hope one day PRIMARY is just merged with the wayland clipboard, two clipboards actually sucks and isn't useful at all
2022-04-02 22:08:21	artefact	i love the x selection. i use it daily
2022-04-02 22:08:31	Ghosthree3	i like being able to high light to copy things and paste with shift-insert
2022-04-02 22:08:39	Ghosthree3	but i see no reason to separate it from the other clipboard
2022-04-02 22:08:48	artefact	you don't. i do
2022-04-02 22:09:17	Ghosthree3	actually i suppose accidentally copying things because you highlighted them would be annoying
2022-04-02 22:09:33	Ghosthree3	whenever i WANT to copy something is when it becomes annoying
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2022-04-02 22:58:33	mattf	will every function on a PKGBUILD run?
2022-04-02 22:58:43	mattf	or every function that starts with build
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2022-04-02 23:14:51	ayekat	mattf: see PKGBUILD(5), section PACKAGING FUNCTIONS - and no, makepkg will/should only invoke the documented ones, and depending on what options you pass, it may skip even some of those
2022-04-02 23:15:04	mattf	i see
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2022-04-02 23:18:34	ayekat	that being said, "As a minimum, the PKGBUILD must contain a package() function […]" -- from what I've seen, makepkg is perfectly happy even without package() -- the only really mandatory things are pkgname, pkgver, pkgrel and arch :-/
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2022-04-02 23:21:11	Ghosthree3	package_$name() seems to also run, eg. https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/qemu/trunk/PKGBUILD
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2022-04-02 23:22:11	demize	Not throwing an error if it's missing != not mandatory.
2022-04-02 23:22:15	ayekat	ah yes, for split packages
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2022-04-02 23:25:07	sudoforge	considering purchasing an x1 extreme gen4 simply so i can finally have decent battery life again. debating getting the dgpu (nvidia 3050ti max-q 4gb). how feasible is it to power off the dgpu if i don't like the power draw? i very rarely have any desire / need for that sort of power
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2022-04-02 23:25:52	sudoforge	<- hasn't ever had a dgpu since moving away from desktops
2022-04-02 23:27:35	sudoforge	and back then, i never bothered exploring powering it off
2022-04-02 23:27:36	MrElendig	sudoforge: wait until summer if you can
2022-04-02 23:27:46	sudoforge	new gen?
2022-04-02 23:27:56	MrElendig	intel 12th gen and amd 6xxxx are almost gamechangers
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2022-04-02 23:28:03	sudoforge	fair enough
2022-04-02 23:28:15	sudoforge	the 42% off sale is pretty attractive though
2022-04-02 23:28:46	MrElendig	the igp in the top end amd might not be that far off 3050ti maxq even
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2022-04-02 23:28:48	sudoforge	anyway, i imagine i'll have the same question then: how does disabling the dgpu work? bios? userland?
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2022-04-02 23:29:08	sudoforge	is the new generation of the x1x going to support amd 6xxx?
2022-04-02 23:29:17	Feuermagier	After exchanging my GPU my mainboard LAN is no longer recognized (as in: does not appear in ifconfig -a) - any ideas?
2022-04-02 23:29:23	MrElendig	lenovo loves to lag behind two gens so who knows
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2022-04-02 23:29:36	MrElendig	they are also not that amd friendly
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2022-04-02 23:29:43	sudoforge	right
2022-04-02 23:29:50	sudoforge	i have a p14s, and prior to that a t495s
2022-04-02 23:29:55	sudoforge	decent amd choices but the battery life is killing me
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2022-04-02 23:30:00	MrElendig	Feuermagier: 1. forget ifconfig
2022-04-02 23:30:01	Disconsented	You say that but they've had exclusivity with TR pro until recently
2022-04-02 23:30:12	MrElendig	Feuermagier: 2. lspci | grep Eth
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2022-04-02 23:30:34	Feuermagier	MrElendig, no results
2022-04-02 23:30:36	sudoforge	Feuermagier: 3. ip > ifconfig
2022-04-02 23:30:46	MrElendig	Feuermagier: grep Net
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2022-04-02 23:30:58	MrElendig	usually they show up as Ethernet though
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2022-04-02 23:31:38	MrElendig	also check your firmwar that the ethernet isn't disabled or similar
2022-04-02 23:31:41	Feuermagier	MrElendig, no results either - here is the full output: https://pastebin.com/6SyrmyDD
2022-04-02 23:31:42	phrik	Title: 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 12th Gen Core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-04-02 23:31:42	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oqhP.txt
2022-04-02 23:31:51	sudoforge	MrElendig: so, to clarify, summer will likely bring in the new generation of x1x?
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2022-04-02 23:32:07	Feuermagier	MrElendig, I checked in the UEFI, the adapter is enabled
2022-04-02 23:32:14	MrElendig	sudoforge: I expect a new x1 this summer yea
2022-04-02 23:32:22	Feuermagier	(the system is dual boot, but windows does no longer recognize it either)
2022-04-02 23:32:39	MrElendig	sudoforge: they have usually had a june/july release date
2022-04-02 23:32:58	MrElendig	though with some variation
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2022-04-02 23:33:10	sudoforge	alright, yeah, that's not an issue for me
2022-04-02 23:33:33	sudoforge	nothing wrong with my current workstation save for the backlit keyboard which i somehow missed when ordering and the terrible battery life
2022-04-02 23:33:45	MrElendig	sudoforge: part of the x1 serie have just become available in gen7 variant btw
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2022-04-02 23:34:11	MrElendig	sudoforge: like the yoga
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2022-04-02 23:35:14	MrElendig	good luck finding in stock though
2022-04-02 23:36:09	sudoforge	i'm pretty set on the x1x
2022-04-02 23:36:13	sudoforge	because of the 90wh battery
2022-04-02 23:36:14	MrElendig	oh x1e gen5 is out already, on paper
2022-04-02 23:36:22	sudoforge	er, x1e i guess
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2022-04-02 23:36:55	sudoforge	yeah they announced it at MWC '22 i see
2022-04-02 23:37:21	Skaface82	disaster.. qpdfview has been removed from the repository, it was the fastest/best pdf viewer I have ever used.. does anyone have any suggestions for something else that is fast and lightweight?
2022-04-02 23:37:28	sudoforge	ooh and it'll ship with ubuntu
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2022-04-02 23:37:51	sudoforge	not that i use ubuntu, ofc, but the native linux shipping is useful if i ever need to send it in for support
2022-04-02 23:37:54	MrElendig	Skaface82: evince 
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2022-04-02 23:38:17	Skaface82	thankyou I haven't heard of that one, ill check it out
2022-04-02 23:38:20	MrElendig	Skaface82: also wiki -> suggested applications
2022-04-02 23:38:25	Skaface82	ty
2022-04-02 23:38:31	sudoforge	okay, yeah, definitely going to hold off until june, when the x1e g5 is supposed to be released
2022-04-02 23:38:46	sudoforge	probably why the x1eg4 has a 42% discount right now lol
2022-04-02 23:38:53	MrElendig	likely
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2022-04-02 23:40:06	MrElendig	Skaface82: depends on what features you want too
2022-04-02 23:40:24	MrElendig	forms/annotations/dark mode/etc
2022-04-02 23:40:26	sudoforge	for all the performance boosts i'll get (esp. coming from the p14s), i'm most excited about the battery life
2022-04-02 23:41:01	MrElendig	Skaface82: qpdfview and evince uses the same render engine btw
2022-04-02 23:41:40	MrElendig	zathura is somewhat popular too, and supports multiple backends
2022-04-02 23:42:57	MrElendig	sudoforge: I hate how lenovo have often sabotaged their amd variants :/
2022-04-02 23:42:59	Skaface82	oh well thats cool, speed is my main concern, I browse huge 200mb PDF's and need to be able to flick through them at light speed!
2022-04-02 23:43:21	MrElendig	tempted to picking up one of the lower end yoga models when they get updated with 6xxx
2022-04-02 23:43:43	sudoforge	MrElendig: yeah, i would rather have ryzen but honestly at the end of the day it doesn't _really_ matter to me
2022-04-02 23:43:47	MrElendig	pdf and speed are contradicting terms
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2022-04-02 23:44:32	Skaface82	hah I know, thats why it took me so long to find qpdfview, its perfect for my needs in every way
2022-04-02 23:44:36	BrainDamage	zathura despite its popularity has a huge fatal flaw in handling documents: if they have uneven size the zoom and pagination is completely screwed
2022-04-02 23:44:40	Earnestly	MrElendig: rendering can make a notable difference
2022-04-02 23:44:46	sudoforge	well, i'll have a t495s and p14sg2 to sell
2022-04-02 23:44:49	MrElendig	sudoforge: one thing though; I bet amd will fuck up the wifi support in 6xxx 
2022-04-02 23:44:52	BrainDamage	it ends up padding each page to the largest size
2022-04-02 23:45:00	MrElendig	they are going intigrated wifi like intel has
2022-04-02 23:45:06	sudoforge	MrElendig: it doesn't appear that amd is on the table for the x1eg5
2022-04-02 23:45:14	Earnestly	BrainDamage: llpp is the only viewer which I've found that seems to maintain aspect when window sizes changes
2022-04-02 23:45:40	sudoforge	just i9-gen12 H series
2022-04-02 23:46:01	Earnestly	(While maintaining zoom level that is)
2022-04-02 23:46:25	Skaface82	hmm my pdfs have different page sizes in them, they are electronic repair manuals, mostly A4 but bigger pages with the schematics on them
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2022-04-02 23:48:12	BrainDamage	was there some sort of package spring cleaning? a few packages that I've used were dropped to the aur
2022-04-02 23:48:27	MrElendig	BrainDamage: nope
2022-04-02 23:49:07	Scimmia	It's ongoing, I don't think things were dropped yet
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2022-04-02 23:50:42	Scimmia	Oh, it may be. arojas said they were going to start dropping things in 2 days, that was 3 days ago
2022-04-02 23:52:29	BrainDamage	ok, that explains it, thanks
2022-04-02 23:53:49	sudoforge	oooooh shit
2022-04-02 23:54:56	sudoforge	x1eg5 has 90whr battery, full sd card slot, 2x tb4 ports, 2x usb-a 3.2, dual pcie 4.0 slots, wwan, fingerprint reader, 64gb support... this is 100% going to be my favorite laptop
2022-04-02 23:55:16	sudoforge	MrElendig, i owe you a coffee
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2022-04-02 23:55:22	sudoforge	or beer, or whatever it is you drink
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2022-04-02 23:55:39	sudoforge	germany, right? i'll be there late 22, early 23
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2022-04-02 23:56:32	topcat001	sudoforge: is the nvidia muxless?
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2022-04-02 23:57:16	sudoforge	topcat001: absolutely no idea, and tbh i'm _probably_ not going to get the dgpu unless i can confirm that switching on/off (and _actually_ powering it off) is easy
2022-04-02 23:57:21	sudoforge	99.9% of the time i wouldn't use it
2022-04-02 23:57:45	topcat001	I have been using various Optimus laptops and in most cases am able to completely power off the nvidia, resulting in a crazy 2.7 W low activity power draw.
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2022-04-02 23:57:52	sudoforge	the igpu will be able to support the native 4k display, which means it'll support an external 4k display, and i don't do anything like gaming that would require a dgpu
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2022-04-02 23:58:01	sudoforge	for gpu compute, i use remote resources
2022-04-02 23:58:13	Foxboron	Scimmia: some stuff has been dropped already
2022-04-02 23:58:14	topcat001	fans off and the system remains cold
2022-04-02 23:58:28	sudoforge	so the dgpu is really only maybe going to be useful for photo/video editing, but the 12th gen igpu will likely be fine enough for that too
2022-04-02 23:59:11	topcat001	I use nvidia-xrun for < Turing, native prime offloading otherwise.
2022-04-03 00:00:08	topcat001	One advantage of completely powering off the nvidia is that it does not mess up suspend. I never suspend on nvidia.
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2022-04-03 00:00:34	sudoforge	i don't think you're understanding me
2022-04-03 00:00:42	sudoforge	i will likely not get the dgpu
2022-04-03 00:00:57	sudoforge	_if_ i do, then it'd sit powered off 99.9% of the time for power draw and sure, suspend reasons
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2022-04-03 00:01:45	topcat001	No I got that. But since you also mention if ... I am just describing my experience with various Optimus machines.
2022-04-03 00:01:55	sudoforge	got it
2022-04-03 00:01:58	topcat001	No dgpu, no trouble!
2022-04-03 00:02:01	sudoforge	i appreciate the knowledge of course
2022-04-03 00:02:35	topcat001	np
2022-04-03 00:02:41	topcat001	good luck
2022-04-03 00:02:43	sudoforge	i'm a little too stoked for this new machine
2022-04-03 00:02:44	demonicmaniac1	sudoforge: x1eg5 does not exist without dgpu though so you always pay massive for that
2022-04-03 00:02:51	sudoforge	it's been years since i've had good battery life
2022-04-03 00:02:57	sudoforge	oh? well, then i guess i'm getting a dgpu
2022-04-03 00:03:17	topcat001	:)
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2022-04-03 00:03:59	demonicmaniac1	2700€ starting price for smallest sku
2022-04-03 00:04:11	demonicmaniac1	with full ram and better screen 4k+
2022-04-03 00:04:12	topcat001	if you power off the dgpu idle battery drain is very very low, but anything intensive will annihilate battery life :)
2022-04-03 00:04:38	demonicmaniac1	not really the x1eg5 comes with 110w intel cpus
2022-04-03 00:04:45	topcat001	most of my time is spent in a vi variant and some qutebrowsing which stays around 3 W.
2022-04-03 00:04:52	demonicmaniac1	just doing anything cpu drains the battery immediately
2022-04-03 00:05:10	topcat001	yes
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2022-04-03 00:05:28	sudoforge	well i'm on a p14sg2 right now and get like 4.5-5.5 hours, usually at 7W. all i do is tmux + a couple long lived neovim instances and qutebrowser
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2022-04-03 00:06:04	topcat001	why 7w? Seems a little high because that's kind of my setup as well.
2022-04-03 00:06:07	sudoforge	i don't really need the cpu power, my builds usually occur remotely
2022-04-03 00:06:11	joef	hey all, has anyone seen an issue with QT_QPA_PLATFORM being set to "wayland" after signing in to an X window manager?
2022-04-03 00:06:16	topcat001	same
2022-04-03 00:06:26	sudoforge	i gave up trying to figure out why my power draw is so high
2022-04-03 00:06:41	topcat001	what DE/WM?
2022-04-03 00:06:44	sudoforge	400 nit screen, 30% brightness during daytime and <10% at night
2022-04-03 00:06:49	sudoforge	x, lightdm, bspwm
2022-04-03 00:06:59	⚡ 	topcat001 is obsessive about this :)
2022-04-03 00:07:04	joef	lightdm with awesomewm
2022-04-03 00:07:18	sudoforge	i'm married to bspwm
2022-04-03 00:07:24	sudoforge	but that isn't the issue
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2022-04-03 00:07:33	sudoforge	1) it's the small 55whr battery
2022-04-03 00:07:40	joef	using lightdm-slick-greeter
2022-04-03 00:07:43	sudoforge	or 50
2022-04-03 00:08:15	topcat001	sudoforge: you should be consuming almost no power ;)
2022-04-03 00:08:37	sudoforge	right, but tell that to my 5 hour battery
2022-04-03 00:08:41	topcat001	I am using fvwm3. Also develop for it :)
2022-04-03 00:08:51	sudoforge	same issue on the t495
2022-04-03 00:09:07	topcat001	no I mean the *rate* should be low
2022-04-03 00:09:11	sudoforge	yes, i know
2022-04-03 00:09:17	sudoforge	which would mean my battery life wouldn't be 5 hours
2022-04-03 00:09:27	topcat001	exactly
2022-04-03 00:09:34	sudoforge	if i was at 2-3W draw total i'd have a 15-20h battery and wouldn't even bother looking at a new machine
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2022-04-03 00:10:40	topcat001	I don't understand: this Precision I am on has a 6 core Xeon with ECC RAM, Optimus and I just clocked 3.1 W rn, fans off, everything cold.
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2022-04-03 00:10:56	topcat001	powertop?
2022-04-03 00:11:17	joef	hmm... my XDG_SESSION_TYPE is also wayland
2022-04-03 00:11:21	topcat001	I don't run tlp or such things, but did check with powertop
2022-04-03 00:11:33	joef	does anyone know what sets XDG_* variables?
2022-04-03 00:11:48	MrElendig	depends on exact what var
2022-04-03 00:11:54	sudoforge	powertop shows my backlight, docker, and wireless interface as the largest consumers typically. following that, btusb ofc which i cycle off regularly, and then thinkpad_acpi
2022-04-03 00:12:02	joef	MrElendig: XDG_SESSION_TYPE
2022-04-03 00:12:20	topcat001	sudoforge: can you run powertop for a minute on battery and see what comes to the top? 
2022-04-03 00:12:34	topcat001	Also, is there a dgpu in that machine?
2022-04-03 00:12:34	sudoforge	doing that currently
2022-04-03 00:12:36	sudoforge	no
2022-04-03 00:12:41	demonicmaniac1	sudoforge: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/thinkpadz/ thats the amd equivalent upcoming for x1e
2022-04-03 00:12:43	phrik	Title: ThinkPad Z Series laptops | AMD powered, recycled materials, sustainable packaging | Lenovo US (at www.lenovo.com)
2022-04-03 00:12:45	topcat001	hmmmm
2022-04-03 00:13:04	sudoforge	yeah, i know
2022-04-03 00:13:30	topcat001	in top what is the idle cpu % when you're just sitting there? :)
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2022-04-03 00:13:55	topcat001	I'm often at 99.8%
2022-04-03 00:14:23	sudoforge	http://ix.io/3U8l
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2022-04-03 00:14:32	sudoforge	that's usage
2022-04-03 00:14:51	sudoforge	will close the browser and alacritty for a few mins and then show cpu
2022-04-03 00:14:53	sudoforge	brb
2022-04-03 00:15:18	sudoforge	oh btw, draw is ~10W
2022-04-03 00:15:23	topcat001	eeee
2022-04-03 00:15:44	demonicmaniac1	what is btm --battery?
2022-04-03 00:15:58	demonicmaniac1	seems to cause a shitton of wakeups combined
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2022-04-03 00:16:49	topcat001	looks like bt audio
2022-04-03 00:17:23	sudoforge	demonicmaniac1: it's a prettier htop
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2022-04-03 00:17:37	demonicmaniac1	i see
2022-04-03 00:17:46	sudoforge	cpu sits at an avg 1% when i was just sitting there watching it
2022-04-03 00:17:54	sudoforge	usage, i should clarify
2022-04-03 00:18:42	demonicmaniac1	as for draw - 400 nits ips panels fhd+ will gladly draw 5w+ by themselves if you look at battery drain watt
2022-04-03 00:18:42	topcat001	and 7W still?
2022-04-03 00:18:52	sudoforge	8
2022-04-03 00:19:03	topcat001	let's reduce that to 10% brightness as well :)
2022-04-03 00:19:10	sudoforge	i'm at 20 currently
2022-04-03 00:19:11	sudoforge	but sure
2022-04-03 00:19:21	sudoforge	and will rfkill bt
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2022-04-03 00:19:44	topcat001	curious if a 10% brightness reduction makes a noticeable difference
2022-04-03 00:19:48	topcat001	and bt
2022-04-03 00:20:05	demonicmaniac1	me e15 amd idles at like 2.5 to 3w at about 30% brightness and wifi
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2022-04-03 00:20:24	topcat001	it might take up to a minute for upower to show the updated value
2022-04-03 00:20:35	topcat001	demonicmaniac1: yes that sounds more normal
2022-04-03 00:20:35	demonicmaniac1	do you have any usb devices attached that would draw power?
2022-04-03 00:21:38	demonicmaniac1	i just do powertop --autotune and brightness to like 40% and get my 3w hrm
2022-04-03 00:21:46	sudoforge	killed btm, rfkilled bluetooth, qutebrowser is still closed. so just alacritty w/ two sessions, one empty session (where btm was), and another running powertop itself, 2 nvim instances, and then 2 zsh prompts
2022-04-03 00:22:06	sudoforge	powertop dropped down to 7.3 for a sec or two and then back up around 8.5ish
2022-04-03 00:22:14	sudoforge	no, no usb devices connected
2022-04-03 00:22:39	topcat001	sudoforge: I'm not that familiar with alacritty. Could you run an xterm for the moment?
2022-04-03 00:22:57	sudoforge	will need to install it, sec
2022-04-03 00:23:13	topcat001	just as a baseline
2022-04-03 00:23:52	topcat001	I think it's hardware. Something is sapping power.
2022-04-03 00:24:22	sudoforge	http://ix.io/3U8p
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2022-04-03 16:08:39	mingdao	This version will go away with `killall google-chat-linux` ... whereas the other started from /usr/bin/google-chat-linux.sh would not.
2022-04-03 16:17:19	sevenspoons	using nftables `meta skuid`, should packets from kernel-space be considered skuid 0?
2022-04-03 16:19:13	drathir_tor	lmat: also You can check reflector as well for generate most correct server list matching Your prefferences...
2022-04-03 16:23:41	joef	hi everyone, anyone know why my XDG_SESSION_TYPE would be set to wayland when I'm using X? Running awesomewm & lightdm.
2022-04-03 16:26:14	joef	it's causing QT_QPA_PLATFORM to be set to wayland as well, which breaks a lot of software (ie. Zoom, Telegram, anything built with QT)
2022-04-03 16:27:03	joef	I tried manually setting QT_QPA_PLATFORM in my /etc/environment but that did not work. Must be getting set after that runs. I tried grepping in /usr, /etc, ~, and other folders to no avail.
2022-04-03 16:29:40	ayekat	joef: what lightdm greeter are you using?
2022-04-03 16:30:20	joef	slick
2022-04-03 16:40:06	Ghosthree3	something is obviously setting it, just pull at pieces until it goes away. start by starting awesomewm without lightdm
2022-04-03 16:41:00	joef	is it possible to exit X and get to a command line without rebooting?
2022-04-03 16:45:12	slimbo	joef: sure, bunch of different ways depending on system
2022-04-03 16:45:46	michelesr	joef: ctrl+alt+n where n is a number between 1 and 6 to switch to a command line 
2022-04-03 16:46:31	joef	I tried systemctl stop lightdm, but I just got a blank screen. I haven't figured out how to start multiple x sessions, don't even know if it's possible.
2022-04-03 16:47:33	jjholt	longtime slackware user trying out arch,  I may convert I definitely see the appeal 
2022-04-03 16:47:44	MrElendig	joef: C-A-f3
2022-04-03 16:47:50	michelesr	joef: the blank screen is probably due to getty not running a terminal on that virtual screen, you can use alt+fn or ctrl+alt+fn to switch to a terminal after that 
2022-04-03 16:48:06	joef	I just tried starting awesome from a console and I get an error about finding the X display. I tried starting sddm with systemctl start sddm and got a black screen. Meh. Going to try rebooting again.
2022-04-03 16:48:09	archdemon	jjholt: dont we all
2022-04-03 16:48:27	MrElendig	how did you try to start awesome from console?
2022-04-03 16:48:33	joef	just ran awesome
2022-04-03 16:48:39	MrElendig	that obviously won't work
2022-04-03 16:48:50	MrElendig	edit .xinitrc and run startx
2022-04-03 16:49:07	michelesr	you probably need startx to run awesome, and 'exec awesome' in your .xinitrc
2022-04-03 16:49:13	joef	haha, I haven't done this in a long time, but did it with wayland some time back. That was as simple as running from the console.
2022-04-03 16:49:17	joef	okay, I'll do that, thanks.
2022-04-03 16:49:31	michelesr	with wayland you can run the compositor manually, don't need startx because there's no X :-) 
2022-04-03 16:49:46	archdemon	you
2022-04-03 16:49:53	archdemon	oops
2022-04-03 16:49:55	archdemon	heh
2022-04-03 16:50:29	ville	i don't quite understand what's going on with the aur gf-debugger-git package. says it's version r139.25cd537-1 but then after installation the system thinks i've version: r94.8779498-1 installed...
2022-04-03 16:50:52	joef	I love wayland, except can't deal with screen sharing and stuff not working for work. Plus I love awesome, lua is great for configuration :)
2022-04-03 16:51:07	archdemon	awesome is nice
2022-04-03 16:51:45	archdemon	all the choice you have is nice too
2022-04-03 16:51:54	michelesr	I used awesome for a while, but I switch to i3wm and swaywm and I found it more streamlined and cleaner
2022-04-03 16:51:57	jjholt	h4rd3n3d: I'm glad I came from slackware because if I had been using ubuntu or one of the other distro's I'd imagine getting started with arch would be a learning curve
2022-04-03 16:52:05	archdemon	i3 is nice too hah
2022-04-03 16:52:55	michelesr	TBH, I switched to sway because of wayland, and then I prefereed how clean the config file was, and the way tiling worked (containers), then I switched to i3 for X as fallback, which allowed me to keep the same config as sway (mostly)
2022-04-03 16:52:59	bud	i3 is actually more awesome than awesome
2022-04-03 16:53:00	jjholt	archdemon:  icewm works for me
2022-04-03 16:53:17	jjholt	and labwc for wayland
2022-04-03 16:53:24	archdemon	thats old school
2022-04-03 16:55:55	joef	I used sway for awhile, I enjoyed it, but switched back to X once I went all in on Linux for work.
2022-04-03 16:55:57	Scimmia	ville: if I had to guess, upstream force pushed and removed a bunch of commits. The commit the AUR refers to as current at the time is there but doesn't belong to any current branch
2022-04-03 16:56:04	jjholt	h4rd3n3d: what aur helper is the most commonly used
2022-04-03 16:56:40	bud	yay is ok
2022-04-03 16:56:49	archdemon	yay seems to be the most popular
2022-04-03 16:56:52	joef	Was using qtile for a bit which was nice, Python configuration.
2022-04-03 16:57:10	michelesr	I've asked the same question a couple of days ago here, and they told me paru
2022-04-03 16:57:12	joef	jjholt: I've been using pakku, but I'm pretty sure it's pretty obscure.
2022-04-03 16:57:25	michelesr	which is a yay clone in rust, from one of the ex-maintainers of yay 
2022-04-03 16:57:32	Scimmia	ville: or wiped the history completely, looking at the repo. Blame upstream for doing insane things
2022-04-03 16:57:36	joef	I like it because it's a straightup wrapper around pacman like yay.
2022-04-03 16:57:47	morganamilo	michelesr: that's cause it's all personal preference 
2022-04-03 16:58:30	joef	I used pamac for a bit but couldn't stand that it's interface was so different from pacman.
2022-04-03 16:59:29	MrElendig	needs less wrapping and more libalpm usage
2022-04-03 16:59:31	joef	michelesr: I have exec awesome in my .xinitrc and run startx but still get a blank screen :(
2022-04-03 16:59:40	joef	MrElendig: why's that?
2022-04-03 16:59:54	MrElendig	joef: can be more robust and give you some nicer features
2022-04-03 17:00:03	archdemon	brb
2022-04-03 17:00:06	ville	Scimmia: oh right. yeah suppose there's always chance of that
2022-04-03 17:00:46	michelesr	TBH I'm curious to see how the paru diff looks like, but I didn't get a chance yet as I've got no AUR updates, is there any way to simulate/trigger that?
2022-04-03 17:01:38	Scimmia	ville: not just a chance. First commit in the repo is in Aug 13th of last year and says 'hide email'. AUR package is from Aug 7th, and refers to a commit from July. They totally wiped the history
2022-04-03 17:01:54	morganamilo	michelesr:  git -C ~/.cache/paru/clone/pkgname update-ref AUR_SEEN HEAD^
2022-04-03 17:06:57	michelesr	morganamilo: tried that but I get "there's nothing to do" with paru -Syu 
2022-04-03 17:07:13	morganamilo	-S the package instead
2022-04-03 17:07:52	morganamilo	actually that may not work cause it may not try to merge if the versions are equal anyway hmm
2022-04-03 17:07:55	michelesr	oh yeah that worked
2022-04-03 17:10:04	joef	hmm, getting a security error starting x: dbus failed to call Get on /org/freedesktop/portal/desktop. I'm going to try disabling my autostarts and see if that helps (maybe lxpolkit is starting xdg-desktop-portal wrong?)
2022-04-03 17:17:39	MrElendig	joef: yay and paru uses libalpm instead of just os.spawn(pacman)
2022-04-03 17:24:32	bud	i have one issue that has been bugging me since i got this computer. Its a laptop (x270) and i mostly use it in a docking station, with only external DVI connected monitor.
2022-04-03 17:25:24	bud	There is a BIOS setting that i have enabled that make it prioritize the external monitor if it is docked. This means, that on boot, it doesn't even turn on the laptop monitor.
2022-04-03 17:25:31	bud	and that is how i want it.
2022-04-03 17:26:01	bud	i have encrypted boot, and after i unlock it and it loads the kernel
2022-04-03 17:26:47	bud	it starts toggling on and off the monitors, and i think when i reach login both are on, in "cloned" view.
2022-04-03 17:27:33	bud	i have a dirt-hack script that just turns off the laptop monitor with xrandr after login, but it would be so nice to have it not turn it on in the first place.
2022-04-03 17:28:43	bud	the most annoying part of this, is that when it toggles the monitors, my external monitor shows this notification "DVI monitor connected" or something (this notification comes from monitor firmware).
2022-04-03 17:29:01	bud	and the notification is positioned exactly on the location for the login prompt.
2022-04-03 17:30:16	bud	so question: where do i look to sort this out? GRUB? Custom kernel hook thing?
2022-04-03 17:32:17	MrElendig	depends on your encryption setup, if you are unlocking with grub itself or the initrd
2022-04-03 17:32:48	serra	Hi, Im trying to run erldenring with steam. Sadly the game instantly crashes. This is what steam prints in the console: https://paste.sr.ht/~serra/be0b596e4d82af8807bbfb8b552b6cde28eee199
2022-04-03 17:33:08	bud	MrElendig: pretty sure it is GRUB i use to unlock
2022-04-03 17:34:13	bud	also note, that while "unlocking" everything seems fine, the laptop display is disabled.
2022-04-03 17:34:34	BrainDamage	serra: short of trying different versions of proton, you don't have many options
2022-04-03 17:35:14	bud	MrElendig: it is GRUB, i was following this guide when setting it up: https://gist.github.com/HardenedArray/ee3041c04165926fca02deca675effe1
2022-04-03 17:35:28	BrainDamage	serra: maybe try disabling the overlay
2022-04-03 17:35:42	bud	so i have this in /etc/default/grub: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="cryptdevice=/dev/sdYZ:MyDevMapperMountpoint resume=/dev/mapper/MyVolGroupName-MyLVSwapName"
2022-04-03 17:35:58	bud	(with placeholders replaced of-course )
2022-04-03 17:38:59	powftw	Wtf!
2022-04-03 17:39:17	powftw	My wlan interface is missing after update and restart just now 
2022-04-03 17:39:26	powftw	🙄
2022-04-03 17:39:34	powftw	RTL8723DE
2022-04-03 17:39:52	powftw	Rfkill only shows Bluetooth 
2022-04-03 17:40:43	michelesr	try lts kernel? 
2022-04-03 17:41:11	artefact	serra: try following instructions from people on https://www.protondb.com/app/1245620
2022-04-03 17:41:25	serra	artefact: thx for the link
2022-04-03 17:41:54	artefact	my PC is way below the minimum specs but it's on my to buy list when my gpu finally breaks
2022-04-03 17:42:11	powftw	michelesr: I tried one LTS kernel a year back which didn't have support for RTL8723DE
2022-04-03 17:42:33	michelesr	powftw: maybe it has now 
2022-04-03 17:43:21	powftw	How do I identify which LTS kernel has the support for RTL8723DE
2022-04-03 17:43:48	MrElendig	powftw: check dmesg first
2022-04-03 17:44:23	artefact	mainline linux is unlikely to drop drivers of hardware that isn't a few decades old. maybe it's a regression?
2022-04-03 17:44:39	michelesr	powftw: you can inspect a package e.g. 'pacman -Sl linux' and search for the drivers in the file tree 
2022-04-03 17:46:03	powftw	Can I stick with the one kernel that I was using just today before this update?
2022-04-03 17:46:08	powftw	It's not LTS.
2022-04-03 17:46:23	michelesr	if the current version is bugged you'll have to downgrade it though 
2022-04-03 17:46:39	powftw	downgrade and stick with it?
2022-04-03 17:46:40	michelesr	e.g. installing manually a cached package from /var/cache/pacman/pkg 
2022-04-03 17:47:07	michelesr	stick with it, at least until is fixed
2022-04-03 17:47:08	Scimmia	!give powftw kernelcheck
2022-04-03 17:47:09	phrik	powftw: compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2022-04-03 17:47:14	Scimmia	that's much more likely
2022-04-03 17:47:54	Scimmia	or, if it's an external module, it didn't build
2022-04-03 17:48:15	Scimmia	blindly downgrading is not a good idea
2022-04-03 17:49:47	michelesr	like a dkms built module? 
2022-04-03 17:49:55	Scimmia	right
2022-04-03 17:50:15	powftw	uname -r `5.17.1-arch1-1`
2022-04-03 17:50:18	michelesr	powftw: did you install the driver as external module or was it a kernel built-in?
2022-04-03 17:50:37	powftw	pacman -Q linux: `linux 5.17.1.arch1-1`
2022-04-03 17:50:52	powftw	file /boot/vmlinuz-linux: `/boot/vmlinuz-linux: Linux kernel x86 boot executable bzImage, version 5.17.1-arch1-1 (linux@archlinux) #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon, 28 Mar 2022 20:55:33 +0000, RO-rootFS, swap_dev 0XA, Normal VGA`
2022-04-03 17:50:56	MrElendig	dmesg already
2022-04-03 17:50:59	Scimmia	so everything is good there
2022-04-03 17:51:19	powftw	michelesr: builtin .. i did not install anything
2022-04-03 17:51:27	powftw	it was working out of the box
2022-04-03 17:51:43	powftw	wifi was working after fresh install up till today's update
2022-04-03 17:51:51	MrElendig	and then it turns out he dualbooted windows which disabled the wifi and broke it .p
2022-04-03 17:52:18	powftw	i dont have windows
2022-04-03 17:52:52	powftw	what should i do?
2022-04-03 17:53:01	flowriser	I want to boot arch on an ARM device from an external hdd; managed to get it booting and all, but now when it tries to mount the root fs, I get: `mount: /new_root: wrong fs type`. I think the archlinux arm image expects f2fs, but on the external hdd I have ext 4. Any ideeas where to look?
2022-04-03 17:53:13	MrElendig	!give flowriser alarm
2022-04-03 17:53:15	phrik	flowriser: If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
2022-04-03 17:53:15	michelesr	powftw: I'd personally try to downgrade to the previous version to see if it fixes the issue, but that's just me :-) 
2022-04-03 17:53:20	MrElendig	flowriser: its a different distro
2022-04-03 17:53:28	MrElendig	powftw: pastebin dmesg output already?
2022-04-03 17:53:35	flowriser	MrElendig: thanks! will look there for help
2022-04-03 17:53:48	powftw	 `/var/cache/pacman/pkg ` has several files
2022-04-03 17:54:14	michelesr	powftw: ls -l linux* and get the most recent before your actual version? 
2022-04-03 17:54:51	powftw	yes
2022-04-03 17:55:00	powftw	linux-5.12.14 available
2022-04-03 17:55:28	michelesr	yeah, then try to install it with `pacman -Su <file>` 
2022-04-03 17:55:41	michelesr	but careful if you have other related packages to downgrade (e.g. nvidia drivers) 
2022-04-03 17:55:58	michelesr	maybe check last update log to see what got updated 
2022-04-03 17:56:26	powftw	last upgrade has linux update. i remember
2022-04-03 17:56:30	Scimmia	michelesr: you really need to read the pacman man page again. The two pacman commands you've given are no good
2022-04-03 17:56:34	powftw	which package to insall..? i see a lot
2022-04-03 17:56:40	michelesr	sorry... you're right
2022-04-03 17:56:44	michelesr	`pacman -U`
2022-04-03 17:56:47	michelesr	my bad 
2022-04-03 17:56:54	⚡ 	MrElendig gives up in his quest to get actual useful output from powftw
2022-04-03 17:56:59	Scimmia	michelesr: and -Sl doesn't work like you think it does
2022-04-03 17:57:43	michelesr	Scimmia: you're right again, I was thinking at `-Ql` 
2022-04-03 17:57:48	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/6ODrF7To/
2022-04-03 17:57:50	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-04-03 17:57:59	powftw	which file should i install
2022-04-03 17:58:38	michelesr	Scimmia: I somehow thought that `-Sl` is the same as `-Ql` for packages which are in the repository 
2022-04-03 17:59:15	Scimmia	michelesr: -Fl
2022-04-03 17:59:54	powftw	how can  i find an LTS kernel having RTL8723DE support? so i can give up upgrading
2022-04-03 18:01:25	powftw	michelesr: can you please say which file should be installed?
2022-04-03 18:01:42	michelesr	which version did you have before? 
2022-04-03 18:01:49	michelesr	right now you have 5.17.1 
2022-04-03 18:01:54	michelesr	so maybe look for a 5.16.x 
2022-04-03 18:02:34	michelesr	or the most recent version <= 5.17.1  
2022-04-03 18:02:42	michelesr	actually < 5.17.1
2022-04-03 18:03:16	powftw	OMG 
2022-04-03 18:03:20	powftw	Now I remember..
2022-04-03 18:04:09	powftw	I did upgrade, I've used it after rebooting wifi works fine. This is the 2nd time using. So it's definitely to because of kernel 
2022-04-03 18:04:26	powftw	Will dmesg say what happened?
2022-04-03 18:05:01	powftw	Fuck this
2022-04-03 18:05:08	powftw	After reboot now it shows wlan again 
2022-04-03 18:05:13	powftw	What's going on?
2022-04-03 18:05:15	michelesr	powftw: it might; also, in some cases, the BIOS/firmware might not initialize the hardware properly 
2022-04-03 18:05:36	powftw	Initialise hardware properly?
2022-04-03 18:05:45	michelesr	like MrElendig said, it might happen if you dual boot for example 
2022-04-03 18:06:05	MrElendig	still waiting for that dmesg....
2022-04-03 18:06:05	powftw	This is weird 
2022-04-03 18:06:12	powftw	Yah
2022-04-03 18:06:14	michelesr	but it might also be a BIOS/firmware related issue... not sure what machine you're running, but make sure that the POST does a full hardware initialization 
2022-04-03 18:06:16	powftw	I'll paste
2022-04-03 18:07:26	powftw	But how do I get the dmesg before reboot?
2022-04-03 18:07:50	powftw	Dmesg of before reboot 
2022-04-03 18:08:10	michelesr	powftw: e.g. in DELL bios 'POST behavior' must be set to 'Thorough' instead of fast or whatever
2022-04-03 18:09:12	michelesr	but before doing any of this, check the dmseg for any failure indication in the driver, and possibly post it here so that we can help 
2022-04-03 18:09:36	powftw	Should I paste everything in red lines?
2022-04-03 18:09:48	artefact	powftw: journalctl -b-1 -gkernel
2022-04-03 18:10:48	powftw	I'm asking this question again..how can  i find an LTS kernel having RTL8723DE support? so i can give up upgrading
2022-04-03 18:11:25	artefact	sorry, journalctl -b-1 -k
2022-04-03 18:11:31	MrElendig	using lts doesn't mean that you will not get upgrades
2022-04-03 18:11:38	michelesr	powftw: there's only one LTS kernel in the repos, either it supports it or not
2022-04-03 18:11:52	MrElendig	in a few months lts will be bumped to whatever the new version is
2022-04-03 18:15:32	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/XvrMN2E2/
2022-04-03 18:15:34	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-04-03 18:16:27	michelesr	powftw: that's not the full log, just the first page 
2022-04-03 18:16:36	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/BxB14u7C/
2022-04-03 18:16:37	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-04-03 18:18:17	MrElendig	post thw whole log
2022-04-03 18:18:48	MrElendig	-g kernel will hide all the useful info
2022-04-03 18:18:51	powftw	shows END here
2022-04-03 18:19:14	powftw	you see in pasted.. its upto END
2022-04-03 18:19:59	michelesr	if you pipe the log into another command it shouldn't get paged
2022-04-03 18:20:02	baltazar	powftw: just do `journalctl -b-1 | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io`
2022-04-03 18:20:09	michelesr	yes
2022-04-03 18:21:29	powftw	can i copy the output into m clipboard?
2022-04-03 18:21:45	MrElendig	you don't need to, but you can use xclip or similar for that
2022-04-03 18:49:21	bud	hello. i found this ancient forum thread describing EXACTLY the same issue i have: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=150413
2022-04-03 18:49:22	phrik	Title: Disable laptop monitor at startup (when external monitor is connected) / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-04-03 18:51:05	NetSysFire	https://xkcd.com/979/
2022-04-03 18:51:06	phrik	Title: xkcd: Wisdom of the Ancients (at xkcd.com)
2022-04-03 18:51:56	bud	that xkcd EXACTLY mirrors my current experience
2022-04-03 18:52:51	bud	ThomasQ: you still btw, use arch?
2022-04-03 18:54:05	bud	i have a feeling this needs to be configured with a kernel mod.. i looked through the logs, and sus line: kernel: fb0: switching to i915 from EFI VGA
2022-04-03 18:57:27	mongy	I just have `video=eDP-1:d` in kernel cmdline for my headless thinkpad
2022-04-03 18:59:11	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-04-03 18:59:16	michelesr	btw why are output called DP or eDP, what does it stand for? 
2022-04-03 18:59:34	bud	NSFW
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2022-04-03 19:00:51	bud	mongy: yeah, i guess that "solves" it, but the problem then is that you have no display when booting without external monitor (not docked)
2022-04-03 19:01:28	michelesr	well... it's probably DP -> DisplayPort, why it is DP also for HDMI then? 
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2022-04-03 19:02:50	artefact	can you use both ports at once? if no it's probably the same output behind
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2022-04-03 19:09:24	bud	progress. I added this to /etc/mkinitcpio.conf "MODULES=(intel_agp i915)"
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2022-04-03 19:11:18	bud	and now, it still mirrors the monitors after grub, but it does it earlier, so the annoying firmware notification does at least not cover the login prompt.
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2022-04-03 19:12:32	bud	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Early_KMS_start
2022-04-03 19:12:35	phrik	Title: Kernel mode setting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-04-03 19:14:12	cedb	i cannot upgrade because of some dependency issues, "installing expat (2.4.8-1) breaks dependency expat=2.4.7 required by lib32-expat, lib32-expat is required by wine on one side of the dep tree (through lib32-fontconfig), on the other side it  is required by lib32-wayland and that is wayy messier. I don't use wayland so meh but i'd like to keep wine ...
2022-04-03 19:14:18	bud	so can i "configure" this i915 module to be smarter and not enabling and configuring all monitors, only the currently active one?
2022-04-03 19:14:44	Namarrgon	cedb: is [multilib] enabled?
2022-04-03 19:14:50	cedb	yup
2022-04-03 19:15:09	Namarrgon	what about [testing] and [multilib-testing]?
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2022-04-03 19:15:37	cedb	Namarrgon: no i just have core, extra, community and multilib enabled atm
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2022-04-03 19:16:52	Namarrgon	are you sure that [testing] is not enabled?
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2022-04-03 19:17:20	Namarrgon	pick a different mirror and -Syyu
2022-04-03 19:18:42	cedb	i mean i update my mirrors with a reflector command
2022-04-03 19:18:54	Namarrgon	people rely too much on reflector
2022-04-03 19:19:09	birabittoh	true
2022-04-03 19:19:18	cedb	`reflector --latest 10 --protocol https --sort rate | sudo tee /etc/pacman.d/reflector_mirrorlist`
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2022-04-03 19:19:37	Namarrgon	comment out the first mirror and -Syyu
2022-04-03 19:19:39	◣	xy0_ (~xy0@user/xy0) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-04-03 19:20:03	michelesr	is using https important since pacman verifies the package signatures anyway? 
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2022-04-03 19:21:09	cedb	Namarrgon: that didnt do it
2022-04-03 19:21:23	Namarrgon	which mirror is the first in the list?
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2022-04-03 19:21:45	cedb	with the first one commented out the second one so first active would be
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2022-04-03 19:22:02	cedb	Server = https://mirror.arizona.edu/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch
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2022-04-03 19:22:54	Namarrgon	if the expat and lib32-expat versions don't agree then the mirror is partially synced
2022-04-03 19:23:12	Namarrgon	wait for it to catch up or switch to a different one
2022-04-03 19:24:04	cedb	ahh commenting out all reflector ones did it thanks
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2022-04-03 19:25:24	cedb	Namarrgon: when you say "rely too much on reflector", do you intuit i should maintain a sane list of mirrors by hand?
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2022-04-03 19:26:23	Namarrgon	you should understand how the repos and mirrors work
2022-04-03 19:26:38	Namarrgon	then pick five reliable mirrors and forget about reflector
2022-04-03 19:26:49	cedb	gotcha
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2022-04-03 19:33:15	bud	progress. i added "i915.modeset=0" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
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2022-04-03 19:33:55	bud	this made the whole startup work fine, no flickering of screens changing resolution, laptopscreen stayed off
2022-04-03 19:34:14	bud	but, i could not startx ...
2022-04-03 19:34:31	bud	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Disabling_modesetting
2022-04-03 19:34:32	phrik	Title: Kernel mode setting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-04-03 19:34:49	Namarrgon	kms is required for X and wayland
2022-04-03 19:35:03	bud	yeah
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2022-04-03 19:35:51	bud	so this "i915.modeset=0" , are there more settings i could do there, like i915.no-multi=1 or something?
2022-04-03 19:36:17	Namarrgon	modinfo i915
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2022-04-03 19:38:32	bud	very cool
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2022-04-03 19:46:20	bud	maybe one of these: https://0x0.st/obiY.txt
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2022-04-03 19:47:12	bud	also: https://0x0.st/obig.txt , modeset=1 ?
2022-04-03 19:47:56	bud	also the current settings, doesn't feel like they use vga console preference.
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2022-04-03 19:49:33	bud	i noticed when i used i915.modeset=0 , that the resolution also was lower at the loginprompt.. maybe it is configured to modeset=1, but it should be modeset=-1?
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2022-04-03 19:56:30	ℹ 	indux1 es conocido ahora como indux
2022-04-03 19:57:56	jjholt	Arch has definitely won me over, cut my drive usage by 1/3 and memory usage by 1/2 
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2022-04-03 20:02:12	Earnestly	How could a full-package distribution reduce your drive usage?
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2022-04-03 20:03:53	jjholt	Earnestly: okay the amount of drive space I am using compared to my slackware install
2022-04-03 20:05:59	jjholt	8GB compared to almost 30GB on slack
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2022-04-03 20:09:25	artefact	wait until your /var/cache fills up 👀
2022-04-03 20:09:53	Earnestly	Or, perhaps, installing an equivalent number of packages heh
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2022-04-03 20:11:18	jjholt	Earnestly:  what drew me to arch was the fact it seems to only install what I need. can't get the fine control when installing slack
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2022-04-03 20:14:20	Arsimael	Quick Question: Does anone know a good image editing tool? I need to edit screenshots and I have to add arrows, blurr out things, highlight things and so on. 
2022-04-03 20:14:26	Arsimael	Flameshot isn't working in gnome Wayland
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2022-04-03 20:16:56	Spunk	gimp?
2022-04-03 20:17:17	Arsimael	Powerful but not really "lightweight"
2022-04-03 20:18:15	artefact	it's not that heavyweight either. i use it on my 10 year old atom laptop, on a 1024x600 display
2022-04-03 20:18:19	Arsimael	I need to replace flameshot so I am looking for something lightweight and "easy to use"
2022-04-03 20:18:23	artefact	single-window mode helps a lot
2022-04-03 20:18:46	bud	imagemagik
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2022-04-03 20:19:17	artefact	if you have a touch screen/stylus krita will probably feel intuitive enough
2022-04-03 20:19:59	jjholt	lets see how much things break switching to sysvinit 
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2022-04-03 20:22:46	Arsimael	Gimp and Krita are powerful tools, but way to huge. It's like using photoshop to edit a pdf...
2022-04-03 20:24:44	ℹ 	LuksNuke es conocido ahora como spiri
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2022-04-03 20:27:14	vvn	when you do sfdisk -d /dev/foo | sfdisk /dev/bar, does sfdisk fail if /dev/bar is smaller than /dev/foo (only the last partition using the remaining space is impacted)
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2022-04-03 20:33:38	Earnestly	gnome's own screenshot tool lets you do much of these things
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2022-04-03 20:36:24	Arsimael	Earnestly, how? All I see is "take a screenshot" and the selection is limited to "Full, Window, custom"
2022-04-03 20:36:40	Earnestly	It may be an uncoming feature set, hm
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2022-04-03 20:39:20	Earnestly	I recall it changing because they wanted to add blur/obfuscate features before saving
2022-04-03 20:39:39	Earnestly	(That said, don't pixelate, just black it out)
2022-04-03 20:41:07	Earnestly	Arsimael: Well until that becomes a thing, I'd just use mypaint.  I use it anyway
2022-04-03 20:41:43	Arsimael	all just because some idiots decided to block 3rd party tools 
2022-04-03 20:41:44	Earnestly	Or maybe gnome's new "drawing" program
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2022-04-03 20:47:04	sudoforge	topcat001 / demonicmaniac1 / drathir_tor: i think i've narrowed the battery draining issues down to the ryzen 5850u's igpu
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2022-04-04 19:33:20	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-04-04 19:33:21	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1510 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1509 normals)
2022-04-04 19:25:37	matii	pantsu: https://paste.rs/O6H
2022-04-04 19:25:54	pantsu	probably needs from collections.abc import Mapping
2022-04-04 19:26:13	Namarrgon	"  File "/home/mati/.local/lib/python3.10/site-packages/requests/__init__.py", line 48, in <module> "
2022-04-04 19:26:20	Namarrgon	you have some garbage in $HOME
2022-04-04 19:26:21	matii	seems like pip is also broken https://paste.rs/Mq9
2022-04-04 19:26:33	matii	Namarrgon: can I nuke it and reinstall
2022-04-04 19:26:36	matii	?
2022-04-04 19:26:44	pantsu	don't use naked pip
2022-04-04 19:26:47	Namarrgon	nuke it, don't reinstall
2022-04-04 19:28:30	matii	it did the trick. deleted ~/.local/lib/python3.10 and works now Thank you Namarrgon 
2022-04-04 19:28:50	matii	was it my fault or did python not update correctly?
2022-04-04 19:29:05	pantsu	matii: don't use naked pip, use venvs
2022-04-04 19:29:08	Namarrgon	your fault. if you need something that isn't in the repos then use pyenv/venv
2022-04-04 19:29:24	Namarrgon	or write a PKGBUILD
2022-04-04 19:29:45	matii	I don't use pip though. just wanted to test if onionshare was the only broken thing. I install everything through pacman 
2022-04-04 19:30:22	matii	that's why I was caught offguard when python broke
2022-04-04 19:30:22	pantsu	you used pip install at some point
2022-04-04 19:30:48	matii	definitely not in the past year, maybe earlir
2022-04-04 19:30:57	matii	would that still matter after such a long time?
2022-04-04 19:33:04	Namarrgon	as you have seen, it matters
2022-04-04 19:33:21	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-04 19:34:07	cedb	my internet (wifi) connection kept dropping/hanging for a couple seconds, now i rebooted and saw the message : iwlwifi unhandled alg: 0x707
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2022-04-04 19:35:43	matii	Namarrgon: alright, I'll make sure not to use pip anymore
2022-04-04 19:35:44	Hello71	in general computers don't slowly forget things over time
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2022-04-04 19:35:53	matii	thank you once again, I really appreciate that
2022-04-04 19:35:59	bea	cedb: what are you using as a connection backend?
2022-04-04 19:36:03	cedb	ive never seeen this before, i can ping my gateway but no internet, dont know if those are related, im gonna sanity check with eth in the router but iwlwifi is so Sus this message is main thing id investigate
2022-04-04 19:36:56	cedb	bea: nm
2022-04-04 19:37:01	cedb	vanilla no iwd
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2022-04-04 19:38:20	pantsu	cedb: ping 8.8.8.8
2022-04-04 19:38:38	bea	p sure nm uses wpa_supplicant as a backend
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2022-04-04 19:39:03	pantsu	by default yes, but can be configured to use iwd
2022-04-04 19:39:38	cedb	ya its wpa_supplican
2022-04-04 19:39:40	cedb	http://ix.io/3UiJ
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2022-04-04 19:41:04	bea	well, it's trying very hard to associate with the AP
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2022-04-04 19:41:54	Erus_Iluvatar	are you seeing this issue on all AP or only mixed 5/2.4 ones ? 
2022-04-04 19:43:21	cedb	i only have one AP, the weird part is that pinging the gateway works so wifi *seems* to be working
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2022-04-04 19:44:08	Erus_Iluvatar	huh, my hunch would have been on 5Ghz doing something funky
2022-04-04 19:44:15	cedb	and I'm missing an eth cord for testing eth vs AP because POE ugh
2022-04-04 19:44:29	Erus_Iluvatar	if you force the connexion to 2.4 only does it still disconnect ? 
2022-04-04 19:44:42	bea	can you paste `ip l` and `ip a`
2022-04-04 19:45:42	cedb	yeah gotta disconnect my phone which im using as AP to troubleshoot one sec
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2022-04-04 19:54:05	cedb	ugh so i disconnected the wifi AP POE to test eth and it made this connection go down ( i have both the wifi and the usb mobile phone hotspot on, the phone AP is where I get this actual connection, dont know why messing with the wifi antenna POE would do this)
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2022-04-04 19:55:21	ishan	hey, is anyone here using sway on nvidia? Just trying to find the latest status on this. I had tried it in feburary and back then I had to use a flag to show the cursor and the screen/xwayland apps were flickering a lot. from some recent posts, I guess you still have to use a flag to show the cursor but is the flickering still there? 
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2022-04-04 19:57:47	pantsu	make sure you are using gbm
2022-04-04 19:58:20	cedb	bea: okay so pinging 8.8.8.8 directly with eth on my edgerouterX doesnt work either so its not a wifi issue
2022-04-04 19:58:42	cedb	though I guess the AP could have messed with my edge's configuration but like what the hell if thats the case
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2022-04-04 19:58:51	bea	does your router have a WAN ip?
2022-04-04 19:58:53	pantsu	cedb: ip -c r
2022-04-04 19:59:11	pantsu	cedb: or did you try to ping from the edgerouter?
2022-04-04 19:59:13	bea	do you get your ip via DHCP
2022-04-04 19:59:18	bea	from the isp
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2022-04-04 20:00:15	cedb	ya and i tried from the modem directly too
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2022-04-04 20:00:37	cedb	so i think my wifi drops from time to time because reasons but thats its orthogonal to my complete outage rn
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2022-04-04 20:00:42	cedb	which is probably because billz heh
2022-04-04 20:00:46	bea	heh
2022-04-04 20:00:48	pantsu	time to powercycle and then check the isp status page
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2022-04-04 20:01:32	cedb	this would have been so much easier to trouble shoot if the people doing renovations in my appartment before i moved in put in eth wiring in the walls
2022-04-04 20:01:39	cedb	butt noooo, rf everything, smh
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2022-04-04 20:03:22	ishan	pantsu: I _think_ I had done that the last time. I was using latest versions of sway-git and nvidia(510) 
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2022-04-04 20:28:32	sorta	I am able to access https://mirrors.up.pt/pub/archlinux/ from my web browser but if i add it to /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist as my only entry, doing a pacman -Syyuu gives a 404 error
2022-04-04 20:28:32	phrik	Title: Index of /pub/archlinux (at mirrors.up.pt)
2022-04-04 20:28:49	sorta	how do i fix this?
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2022-04-04 20:29:11	Namarrgon	which package/DB gives you the 404?
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2022-04-04 20:29:50	pantsu	post your mirrorlist
2022-04-04 20:29:53	◣	eirik (~eirik@84.211.194.108) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2022-04-04 20:29:57	pantsu	(and full output=
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2022-04-04 20:30:33	pantsu	actually, just change mirror, that one have a horrible score
2022-04-04 20:31:01	◣	J_Darnley (~J_Darnley@d51A44418.access.telenet.be) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-04-04 20:31:16	pantsu	https://archlinux.org/mirrors/status/
2022-04-04 20:31:30	sorta	oh so higher mirror score doesn't mean it's better?
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2022-04-04 20:31:43	sorta	it has one of the highest so I thought maybe it's the best mirrors
2022-04-04 20:31:52	sorta	Namarrgon: nothing, just pacman -Syyuu
2022-04-04 20:32:00	Hello71	well first the page says "Mirror Score: A very rough calculation for ranking mirrors. It is currently calculated as (hours delay + average duration + standard deviation) / completion percentage. Lower is better."
2022-04-04 20:32:03	pantsu	lower is better, as it says on the top of the page
2022-04-04 20:32:18	Hello71	second the page has a list of "Out of Sync Mirrors" with very large mirror scores
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2022-04-04 20:33:04	sorta	oh i completely missed that :(
2022-04-04 20:33:41	sorta	alright https://mirror.osbeck.com/archlinux/ has a score of 0.3 yet it gives me a 404 upon runing a pacman -Syyuu
2022-04-04 20:33:41	phrik	Title: Index of /archlinux/ (at mirror.osbeck.com)
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2022-04-04 20:34:07	Scimmia	sorcus: when retrieving what?
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2022-04-04 20:35:36	pantsu	and you probably want -Syu not -Syyuu
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2022-04-04 20:35:48	sorta	same result
2022-04-04 20:36:01	sorta	i tried -Syyuu because -Syu didn't work properly
2022-04-04 20:36:17	Namarrgon	is that the only mirror in the list?
2022-04-04 20:36:26	sorta	https://0x0.st/obNs.txt
2022-04-04 20:36:26	Namarrgon	post the -Syyu --debug output
2022-04-04 20:36:28	sorta	yes
2022-04-04 20:37:14	sorta	Namarrgon: https://0x0.st/obNi.txt
2022-04-04 20:37:41	Namarrgon	post your pacman.conf
2022-04-04 20:37:48	Scimmia	sorcus: bad mirror entry
2022-04-04 20:37:59	sorta	one sec i might have tried the second url
2022-04-04 20:38:13	Scimmia	You need more than just that path
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2022-04-04 20:38:56	Scimmia	See the stock mirror list for what they should look like
2022-04-04 20:39:07	sorta	https://0x0.st/obNX.txt heres the one with the osbeck mirror
2022-04-04 20:39:15	sorta	Scimmia: ok one sec
2022-04-04 20:40:13	sorta	oh yeah 
2022-04-04 20:40:54	sorta	i missed the $repo/os/$arch part, now it works perfect
2022-04-04 20:40:57	sorta	thanks Scimmia 
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2022-04-04 20:43:02	susi	np
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2022-04-04 20:47:39	sorta	mirror.osbeck.com is the coolest looking web frontend to any arch mirror I have ever seen
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2022-04-05 17:19:58	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1491 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1489 normals)
2022-04-05 13:35:13	@jelle	ah it can https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/importing-vms-kvm-virt-v2v
2022-04-05 13:35:14	phrik	Title: Importing VMs to KVM with virt-v2v (at www.redhat.com)
2022-04-05 13:38:53	sorta	it would be so cool if instead of getting supplied vms, FatAlbert got a script to set up the stuff exactly the way needed on a preinstaleld system
2022-04-05 13:39:00	jushur	roxlu: what driver are your system using for the iGPU right now?
2022-04-05 13:39:35	@jelle	sorta: that doesn't work for workshops/classes
2022-04-05 13:39:51	roxlu	jushur: the i915
2022-04-05 13:42:18	ianliu	I have a laptop that is connected to wifi and ethernet called "batata.local" with avahi and mdns. When I ssh into it, it is picking the wifi ip address. Is there a way to "prefer" ethernet over wifi?
2022-04-05 13:42:31	pantsu	ianliu: routing metric
2022-04-05 13:43:39	pantsu	or only have avahi listenting/responding to the ethernet interface
2022-04-05 13:45:12	jushur	roxlu: glxinfo | grep -i opengl
2022-04-05 13:45:43	roxlu	I've no glxinfo installed
2022-04-05 13:46:21	pantsu	ianliu: alternative is of course to run a proper dns server instead
2022-04-05 13:46:56	⚡ 	roxlu installing
2022-04-05 13:46:57	ianliu	pantsu: yeah, I guess I should get a raspberry
2022-04-05 13:47:12	pantsu	ianliu: your router might have the feature built in
2022-04-05 13:47:12	rcf	Or just manually set up your hosts file 
2022-04-05 13:47:25	roxlu	jushur: https://gist.github.com/roxlu/69aa014eee5cd5de847f396055721767 
2022-04-05 13:47:30	⚡ 	pantsu find host file to be tedious even with just a couple of units
2022-04-05 13:47:44	pantsu	never mind when you have 20 iot devices and a few machines
2022-04-05 13:48:08	ianliu	pantsu: I have my ISP's router, which seems to be very limited
2022-04-05 13:48:20	pantsu	ianliu: also I would rather get a nuc/similar and use it as my router than have a rpi just for dns :p
2022-04-05 13:48:48	pantsu	or whatever old machine you have collecting dust in your basement
2022-04-05 13:49:07	ianliu	pantsu:  I was planing on building a home server, with an old core i7, my old desktop. Bought a case for it; wont start :(
2022-04-05 13:49:09	pantsu	bonus point: unlike a rpi, you can actually buy a nuc
2022-04-05 13:49:25	rcf	And you could ask about it in this channel, even 
2022-04-05 13:50:20	⚡ 	pantsu currently has his old desktop machine doing the job as a router
2022-04-05 13:50:29	jjholt	I have rpi zero2 w does a great job doing DNS and hosting a tor site
2022-04-05 13:50:36	FatAlbert	sorta: i will forward your complain 
2022-04-05 13:51:02	jjholt	even managed to buy it at MSRP
2022-04-05 13:51:14	pantsu	had a netgear router, but it epicly failed at ipv6
2022-04-05 13:51:29	pantsu	did consider a rb5009/similar, but cheaper to use the hardware you have so...
2022-04-05 13:51:53	pantsu	(break even of around 4 years due to power use differences)
2022-04-05 13:55:52	jjholt	its a decent machine but hobbled with only 512mb of ram
2022-04-05 13:56:31	@jelle	hmm I wonder if that's enough to even boot the archiso
2022-04-05 13:56:40	pantsu	doing just dns/dhcp on rpi is fine, they fall flat when you try to do routing
2022-04-05 13:56:49	pantsu	routing/firewall stuff
2022-04-05 13:58:11	ianliu	I also have a Linksys E900 router in AP mode, maybe I could disable DHCP on my ISP's router and enable on my router, if it has DNS set :P
2022-04-05 13:58:21	ianliu	But I think it doesn't have
2022-04-05 14:14:20	Earnestly	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JIELJYCkOc
2022-04-05 14:38:26	rcf	ishan: how many systems would you have to coordinate to just enable IP reservation on the router and manually sync /etc/hosts? 
2022-04-05 14:38:48	rcf	...or not
2022-04-05 14:38:50	rcf	!tabfail 
2022-04-05 14:38:50	phrik	 0  days since the last tab failure. Completion safety is our union goal!
2022-04-05 14:46:53	ishan	lmao
2022-04-05 15:34:32	luukas	hei
2022-04-05 15:34:35	binru	hei
2022-04-05 15:34:39	NetSysFire	!welcomerpg
2022-04-05 15:34:40	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux - How can we help you?
2022-04-05 15:35:05	binru	just looking around :D
2022-04-05 15:44:18	aarni	good evening
2022-04-05 15:44:32	aarni	clear
2022-04-05 15:44:34	aarni	lslsls
2022-04-05 15:48:47	aarni	:Q
2022-04-05 15:50:07	binru	hi
2022-04-05 15:50:43	Khorne	Are you done?
2022-04-05 15:53:45	m1cl	how can I figure out which parttion belongs to hd0,3
2022-04-05 15:55:27	Gagis	can you please tone down the spam
2022-04-05 15:55:46	Gagis	ask if you need help using your IRC client
2022-04-05 15:58:51	m1cl	are you talking to me?
2022-04-05 15:59:07	Gagis	arni/binru/luukas
2022-04-05 15:59:42	luukas	Yeah sorry just had some issues and got them fixed
2022-04-05 16:00:27	Rayyan	does anyone know how to make gnome's file explorer run shell scripts on double click instead of opening them in text editor?
2022-04-05 16:00:45	Rayyan	(and yes, it is marked as +x)
2022-04-05 16:06:28	sektor	Do I need to maintain my own version of the Emacs PKGBUILD to get the native compilation features?
2022-04-05 16:06:37	sektor	I saw 28 came out yesterday.
2022-04-05 16:06:50	Gagis	theres a ticket about how that is currently missing
2022-04-05 16:07:07	Gagis	but you might be able to get it with a custom build in the mean while
2022-04-05 16:07:38	Gagis	I'm assuming it'll be changed but I don't actually know anything more than this
2022-04-05 16:07:44	sektor	Allright.
2022-04-05 16:09:25	susi	Rayyan: isn't there under prefreences what to do with executable text files? used to be
2022-04-05 16:09:33	susi	"display them" "run them" "ask what to do"
2022-04-05 16:10:34	Rayyan	susi: if your talking about preferences in gnome files itself, there aren't any options for that
2022-04-05 16:10:42	Rayyan	*you're
2022-04-05 16:11:34	susi	have you tried running dconf-editor, org > gnome > nautilus > preferences and "executable-text-activation"
2022-04-05 16:14:50	Rayyan	susi: that option doesn't seem to exist 
2022-04-05 16:15:28	null1	jelle, thanks for proving my point, lol...
2022-04-05 16:17:30	Rayyan	susi: seems like they removed the option
2022-04-05 16:17:36	Rayyan	https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/-/issues/1700
2022-04-05 16:17:39	phrik	Title: Executable Text Files preference considered unhelpful (#1700) · Issues · GNOME / Files · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
2022-04-05 16:27:43	hanetzer	artefact: Ghosthree3 thanks, either way I ended up just doing manual ip link/ip dev commands. hadda tftp recover some devices yeh.
2022-04-05 16:27:57	LimeOn	Hello, i installed arch and i wanted to have / and /home partitions. But when i logged in, i found that i had /home inside / (and the other partiton was unused) Is there a way to "tell" the setup rpcoess to take as separat epartitions?
2022-04-05 16:28:08	LimeOn	Should i reinstall everything to make it possible?
2022-04-05 16:28:32	Scimmia	LimeOn: move everything to that partition and add it to fstab
2022-04-05 16:28:51	LimeOn	how i move /home?
2022-04-05 16:28:56	LimeOn	Do you have some link?
2022-04-05 16:29:00	LimeOn	Thanks
2022-04-05 16:29:15	Scimmia	what setup process are you talking about?
2022-04-05 16:29:25	LimeOn	the arch installation
2022-04-05 16:29:29	LimeOn	from the iso
2022-04-05 16:29:44	Scimmia	and you don't know how to move files/dir?
2022-04-05 16:30:03	LimeOn	i dont know how make the system to recognize / and /home in different partitions
2022-04-05 16:30:24	LimeOn	I mean, i mounted both partitions (one as / and the other as /home) but it didnt work, somehow
2022-04-05 16:31:17	Khorne	Did you mount one partition  to /mnt and one partition to /home before chrooting?
2022-04-05 16:33:30	dj-bauer	I mount my root filesystem in /mnt and then create the user directory in /mnt/home so I mount to /mnt/home
2022-04-05 16:33:57	Khorne	As you are supposed to
2022-04-05 16:34:38	dj-bauer	glad to hear what I remember is correct :) Couple month since I did my last install :P
2022-04-05 16:38:08	Ghosthree3	/home is a trap partition anyway
2022-04-05 16:50:12	cyphertite	dj-bauer:  it is not necessary to create /mnt/home - one, or many users can be created under /mnt during installation
2022-04-05 16:58:20	dj-bauer	cyphertite: Good to know, thanks!
2022-04-05 17:00:28	cyphertite	dj-bauer:  after setting your root 'passwd'; then useradd -m -G wheel -s /bin/bash MyUserName (assuming you like bash); then passwd MyUserName :)
2022-04-05 17:01:32	dj-bauer	cyphertite: Doesn't that assume you're using the same partition as your home and root partition?
2022-04-05 17:04:10	Khorne	It does and is hence unrelated to the original question of course
2022-04-05 17:04:54	cyphertite	not sure/have not tested your assumption, all my nix systems only have / (encrypted, ofc), and never a separate /home 
2022-04-05 17:05:20	Khorne	which is obviously a choice, as is having /home on a separate partition or drive entirely
2022-04-05 17:14:53	cyphertite	dj-bauer:  Khorne is correct - it is trivial to create/copy /home (and any user accounts) to another partition or to external media.  I just find it less hassle to run 'borg' to back up my /home/<user>/ to external media.  Up2U :) 
2022-04-05 17:19:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-05 17:29:36	THOWQRR2091	Hiya! I messed up my encrypted boot install, apparently it was set with a /dev/sdbx instead of a UUID, which causes it to now no longer find the drive
2022-04-05 17:29:46	THOWQRR2091	How can I fix that from the rootfs?
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2022-04-05 17:30:50	THOWQRR2091	It's been so long that I set it up, so  I can't even remember how I encrypted it
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2022-04-05 17:32:04	THOWQRR2091	It fails at ::running hook [encrypt]
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2022-04-05 17:34:41	cdown	chroot into your install, change crypttab/cryptdevice. depending on what you've got in there, you may need to regenerate the initrd.
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2022-04-05 17:35:45	cdown	if you don't need to regenerate the initrd, you don't even need to chroot, just change your bootloader config to point to the right cryptdevice and change any crypttab entries which are out of date.
2022-04-05 17:35:52	post-factum	jelle: grafana seems to be fixed as of -2 pkgrel. thx!
2022-04-05 17:35:55	@jelle	\o/
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2022-04-05 17:37:12	THOWQRR2091	The rootfs doesn't even load /etc/crypttab, so I guess I need to regenerate it?
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2022-04-05 17:40:23	damjan	encrypt uses (copies) the /etc/crypttab.initramfs file into the initramfs
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2022-04-05 17:41:04	damjan	or was that only sd-encrypt ?
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2022-04-05 17:53:21	THOWQRR2091	I see thanks
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2022-04-05 17:56:03	Ghosthree3	crypttab isn't relevant for the root partition afaik
2022-04-05 17:56:08	Ghosthree3	ive never used it anyway, only for additional disks
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2022-04-05 17:58:26	THOWQRR2091	Oh it looks like that is the case
2022-04-05 17:59:02	THOWQRR2091	crypttab is on an encrypted partition, it fails before getting there
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2022-04-05 17:59:38	THOWQRR2091	also it doesn't contain the root lvm partition
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2022-04-05 18:03:30	THOWQRR2091	If I had to guess it's in the partition containing vmlinuz-linux initframfs etc. but there's nothing for me to edit there
2022-04-05 18:04:19	Ghosthree3	by the sounds of it you havent set up decryption in your kernel opts properly at all
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2022-04-05 18:05:45	THOWQRR2091	It used to work, but I have no clue what I did, since I have done it so long ago
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2022-04-05 18:28:24	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1496 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1494 normals)
2022-04-05 18:24:04	ocherno	I see more than one options in AUR ...
2022-04-05 18:25:12	@jelle	ocherno: flatpak :)
2022-04-05 18:27:57	mefistofeles	ocherno: sure, choose the one that suits you best
2022-04-05 18:28:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-04-05 18:28:30	Ghosthree3	ocherno: there's one just called 'spotify' which i would assume is what you want unless one of the others appeals to you
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2022-04-05 18:31:44	pmjdebruijn	Earnestly: pacman -Qqo $(find "pkg" -type f -exec ldd "{}" \; 2>/dev/null | awk '{print $3}' | sort -u) | sort -u works well for starters
2022-04-05 18:32:12	Earnestly	pmjdebruijn: Oh dear
2022-04-05 18:32:13	mefistofeles	wtf is that? 
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2022-04-05 18:32:59	Earnestly	pmjdebruijn: Don't ping me anymore
2022-04-05 18:33:28	Scimmia	pmjdebruijn: not well at all. ldd is not approperiate for this
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2022-04-05 18:34:36	pmjdebruijn	Scimmia: why not, I get that this is not per-se complete, again I said for starters
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2022-04-06 19:50:08	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1509 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1507 normals)
2022-04-06 13:57:53	arseru	I'm trying to open a PDF that has romanian chars, which font can I install to view them correctly?
2022-04-06 13:58:31	kevku	pdfs should have embedded fonts
2022-04-06 13:58:43	Khorne	*should*
2022-04-06 13:58:48	Khorne	!alltheunicodes
2022-04-06 13:58:48	phrik	adobe-source-* otf-fira-{mono,sans} ttf-{dejavu,droid,indic-otf,liberation,symbola} otf-ipafont noto-fonts (more or less.)
2022-04-06 13:59:08	arseru	kevku: and how is that decided? from the ro_RO locale?
2022-04-06 13:59:14	grawity	romanian uses latin script? pretty much all fonts should be able to handle that
2022-04-06 13:59:21	grawity	the locale has (almost) no relevance
2022-04-06 13:59:38	arseru	hi again grawity :P
2022-04-06 13:59:49	Gagis	embedded as in the document itself contains the fonts needed to render it
2022-04-06 14:00:20	Khorne	That is not necessarily the case
2022-04-06 14:01:20	Gagis	theres some common fallback fonts that will fill the gaps when something is missing for other applications but this usually only ever comes up with non-latin scripts and emoji
2022-04-06 14:01:37	Gagis	but arch by default installs barely any fonts at all so some good metapackage is recommended
2022-04-06 14:01:44	Gagis	or rather, there is no default
2022-04-06 14:02:37	grawity	yeah but any default font can handle things like â
2022-04-06 14:08:28	arseru	I'm trying ttf-unifont
2022-04-06 14:20:00	Gagis	the freesans and whatever else belongs in that family of fonts tends to be excellent. same for liberation family
2022-04-06 14:21:01	CarloWood	My system clock is 4 minutes off :/
2022-04-06 14:21:08	CarloWood	How is that even possible?
2022-04-06 14:21:30	grawity	the hardware clock drifts a lot when the system is off
2022-04-06 14:22:09	grawity	several minutes is not surprising, if you don't have NTP (e.g. systemd-timesyncd.service) to fix it whenever the OS is online
2022-04-06 14:22:39	CarloWood	I was mostly wondering why I don't have NTP :p
2022-04-06 14:25:31	NoImNotNineVolt	because you didn't install or aren't running a client?
2022-04-06 14:25:53	NoImNotNineVolt	or because your configured ntp server is not accessible?
2022-04-06 14:26:00	NoImNotNineVolt	also, thanks for ircu.
2022-04-06 14:26:28	CarloWood	:)
2022-04-06 14:39:40	CarloWood	k, configured and enabled and started systemd-timesyncd  -- now the time is ok :)
2022-04-06 15:40:07	dirtcastle	how to use xbacklight. 
2022-04-06 15:40:08	dirtcastle	 it says no output have bavklight property. how to know if I have a oled screen or not
2022-04-06 15:57:38	Edu4rdSHL	Have you read the ArchWiki?
2022-04-06 16:23:26	SysGhost	Don't read it! it makes you sleep instantly. Lots of boring stuff in it! ‹’’›(Ͼ˳Ͽ)‹’’›   
2022-04-06 16:24:41	SysGhost	"xbacklight --help" for starters
2022-04-06 16:27:23	SysGhost	Laptop? maybe kernel modules need to be laoded
2022-04-06 16:28:09	SysGhost	"ls -la /sys/class/backlight/"
2022-04-06 16:28:23	SysGhost	shoudl show you all the backlight-controllable outputs
2022-04-06 16:30:00	jjholt	how do I get windows to quit screwing my system time up after every reboot to arch my clock is off by my timezone I have /etc/localtime set
2022-04-06 16:32:10	Khorne	Probably set Windows to UTC, there's some info on the Wiki
2022-04-06 16:33:24	jjholt	thanks,
2022-04-06 17:08:39	dirtcastle	SysGhost: it does show but Idk how to proceed after that.  it shows intel_backlight@ and that only
2022-04-06 17:17:44	_cyphertite_	jjholt:  If you multi-OS boot Win and a bunch of *nix OSes, and you want time/ntpd to work correctly; set each OS to use UTC :P
2022-04-06 17:33:52	Edu4rdSHL	jjholt, just use RTC
2022-04-06 17:34:00	Edu4rdSHL	And disable NTP on Linux
2022-04-06 17:34:45	grawity	what does "just use RTC" mean
2022-04-06 17:35:34	Edu4rdSHL	timedatectl set-local-rtc true
2022-04-06 17:36:09	Scimmia	you mean localtime, then, and that's a terrible idea
2022-04-06 17:36:12	Edu4rdSHL	Windows currently touch the BIOS clock and set it to use your current timezone
2022-04-06 17:36:21	Edu4rdSHL	Scimmia, it isn't if you use Windows.
2022-04-06 17:36:33	Scimmia	Edu4rdSHL: it is, fix Windows instead
2022-04-06 17:36:33	grawity	it is
2022-04-06 17:36:47	Edu4rdSHL	Basically that's the only way to stop your Linux time being fucked up everytime
2022-04-06 17:36:49	grawity	long ago before linuxing I used to dualboot Win98 and Win2000
2022-04-06 17:36:59	grawity	both using 'local' RTC
2022-04-06 17:37:00	grawity	it was extremely annoying
2022-04-06 17:37:01	Edu4rdSHL	Good luck "fixing Windows" then
2022-04-06 17:37:12	grawity	good news, I've had a lot of luck with *that*
2022-04-06 17:37:21	grawity	the registry setting that makes windows use utc is working quite well
2022-04-06 17:37:40	Scimmia	Edu4rdSHL: Khorne already gave the answer. I've been fixing windows for over 20 years, so I don't need luck
2022-04-06 18:01:54	artefact	why is local time rtc such a terrible idea? it's just as easy to make linux userspace (ntpd, timesyncd etc) use rtc?
2022-04-06 18:01:59	artefact	*localtime
2022-04-06 18:02:45	grawity	because when you live in a location that uses DST adjustments, now you have two OSes both thinking they're responsible for applying the DST adjustment
2022-04-06 18:03:14	artefact	does it matter? it's not like you can only adjust rtc by offsets
2022-04-06 18:22:13	susi	there's info in the wiki on how to deal with time on windows + linux dual-boot
2022-04-06 18:27:39	Hello71	bug2000: if you're offline, forever
2022-04-06 18:28:02	bug2000	Great answer! :)
2022-04-06 18:30:48	nl6720	not necessarily. at least OpenNTPD supports sensor devices (whatever those are)
2022-04-06 19:21:14	tsal	I'm trying to build an automatic monitor switcher that uses ddcutil to switch the monitors when the KVM hub connects and disconnects the keyboard. It works fine on connecting, however there is no reaction to disconnecting. Here are the udev rules I have so far: https://paste.rs/O27
2022-04-06 19:21:35	tsal	Does anybody happen to know why the remove action does not trigger?
2022-04-06 19:24:02	Edu4rdSHL	tsal, use ID_MODEL instead of ATTR{idVendor} & ATTR{idProduct}
2022-04-06 19:26:21	Edu4rdSHL	You can use udevadm monitor --property to see the ID_MODEL of your product when you connect/disconnect
2022-04-06 19:28:51	tsal	ID_MODEL is a quite generic "USB_2.0_Hub", so not that useful
2022-04-06 19:30:45	tsal	But I see something I could use there "PRODUCT=1a40/101/111"
2022-04-06 19:31:14	tsal	Guess I could try triggering off that one
2022-04-06 19:38:13	tsal	Yep, that worked. But it seems I have stumbled upon a monitor firmware bug in the process, where it doesn't recognize that it switched inputs over ddcutil... Oh well
2022-04-06 19:38:26	tsal	Anyways. Thanks for the hint!
2022-04-06 19:38:50	Edu4rdSHL	:)
2022-04-06 19:39:22	raster	tsal: ooh cool. someone messing with ddc :)
2022-04-06 19:40:32	tsal	Very cool technology IF it works. Unfortunately half the monitor manufacturers do not implement it or in my case they do it half-assedly
2022-04-06 19:41:09	raster	yeah. so i have found
2022-04-06 19:41:21	raster	i've been abusing ddc for monitor backlight/brightness control
2022-04-06 19:41:44	raster	basicvally to make your desktop monitors do the same thing uyour laptop backlight does... fgade in and out eg on idle
2022-04-06 19:42:20	raster	i've found it very iffy. like talking ddc while the monitor switches on still or is handling a mode switch can result in lack of response or odd responses
2022-04-06 19:43:06	raster	so far samsung seem to have had the best implementation so far - they even had their rotation sensors work (so physically rotate the monitor and you can reliably poll it for a change in rotation state)
2022-04-06 19:43:26	raster	i've been meaning to wire that up to my wm to auto-rotate the screen
2022-04-06 19:44:02	raster	(and also planning to abuse ddc for full software control of monitor config like color temp, r, g, b levels, sharpness, contrast, etc. etc.)
2022-04-06 19:44:33	raster	at least make a pretty complete software tool that does everything your OSD controls do but with sane usage with kbd+mouse
2022-04-06 19:44:57	tsal	In my case it displays "mode out of bounds" overlay when switched over DDC. Despite having no problems with it when switched manually
2022-04-06 19:45:43	raster	oh i havent seen that. samsung and my dells have been relatively good (with dell losing ddc requests when mode switching/powering up)
2022-04-06 19:46:34	tsal	I'll keep it in mind for the next monitor, which certainly won't be an LG
2022-04-06 19:48:29	raster	tsal: aah. LG. Mental note. don't get one for next screen. Anyway - cool to hear others discovering DDC... It seems it's a sparsely played with area and so I am running into all the "bugs" :) That seems to be on "good monitors" too,
2022-04-06 19:49:43	tsal	Viewsonic is another one to avoid from my experience, just no DDC support.
2022-04-06 19:49:59	raster	ohhh OUCH.
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2022-04-06 19:58:22	DeepDayze	HP has good monitors
2022-04-06 19:58:29	pantsu	lg are a mixed bag
2022-04-06 19:58:49	DeepDayze	Samsungs are decent
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2022-04-06 19:58:57	DeepDayze	I owned a couple of those
2022-04-06 19:59:27	DeepDayze	Now I have a Gateway 22" that's 15 years old along with an HP 24" that is 2 years old
2022-04-06 19:59:56	raster	15y old... is it a CRT still? :)
2022-04-06 19:59:58	DeepDayze	the gateway worked decently and its edid is fine
2022-04-06 19:59:58	◣	Elodin (~elodin@user/elodin) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2022-04-06 20:00:04	DeepDayze	No, LCD panel
2022-04-06 20:00:13	raster	almost in CRT land ... :)
2022-04-06 20:00:19	DeepDayze	bought it new back in 2007
2022-04-06 20:00:31	DeepDayze	well taken care of too
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2022-04-06 20:01:03	DeepDayze	Yeah I owned several CRTs back in the day...largest was a 20" flat front one
2022-04-06 20:01:20	DeepDayze	that thing was huge
2022-04-06 20:01:25	raster	yeah - i had like 4 21" CRT's for a long time
2022-04-06 20:01:28	DeepDayze	and heavy
2022-04-06 20:01:29	raster	inherited them from work...
2022-04-06 20:01:33	DeepDayze	Nice
2022-04-06 20:01:46	DeepDayze	I got rid of them when I got the gateway lcd
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2022-04-06 20:02:01	raster	dot-com bubble bust shut down all of engineering and i ended up with 2 dual-xeon machines with 4 21" crt's
2022-04-06 20:02:06	DeepDayze	as the CRT stopped working after 4 years of use
2022-04-06 20:02:20	DeepDayze	nice
2022-04-06 20:02:26	DeepDayze	bet they run Arch fine
2022-04-06 20:02:45	raster	no idea... they pre-date arch :)
2022-04-06 20:03:06	DeepDayze	have you tried installing linux on them?
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2022-04-06 20:03:13	raster	dont' have them anymore...
2022-04-06 20:03:25	DeepDayze	ah but they might have done quite well as Linux rigs
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2022-04-06 20:03:49	DeepDayze	Old stuff can last no doubt
2022-04-06 20:03:56	DeepDayze	if taken care of
2022-04-06 20:04:04	raster	i have moved house 10 times since then
2022-04-06 20:04:24	◣	jjholt (~jjholt@2600:1700:c0d0:ce0::41) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-04-06 20:04:27	raster	and moved countries 4 times
2022-04-06 20:04:32	DeepDayze	wow...a lot of moving and dragging around that old equipment got old fast no doubr
2022-04-06 20:04:40	DeepDayze	doubt*
2022-04-06 20:04:48	pantsu	dccutil works with my 27GL850
2022-04-06 20:04:59	raster	(and all those country moves involved across oceans or multiple continents)
2022-04-06 20:05:09	raster	i have learned to toss my old stuff...
2022-04-06 20:05:12	pantsu	I kinda regret getting it due to the crappy contrast ratio though, but at the time there wasn't that many decent competitors :/
2022-04-06 20:05:25	raster	i had a stack of i think 8 or 9 laptops that ended up going to the recyclers...
2022-04-06 20:05:36	raster	and these xeons ran linux
2022-04-06 20:05:39	DeepDayze	27"  monitors are the cats meow and now I want one :)
2022-04-06 20:05:39	raster	they never ran anything else...
2022-04-06 20:05:51	pantsu	the contrast ratio and backlight bleed is kinda iritating at times
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2022-04-06 20:06:01	DeepDayze	Asus has nice ones
2022-04-06 20:06:01	raster	i inherited them from VA Linux... we built linux servers and workstations...
2022-04-06 20:06:02	tsal	It kinda works 32UK550, but buggy
2022-04-06 20:06:06	pantsu	DeepDayze: 32" is nicer imo
2022-04-06 20:06:14	DeepDayze	ahh VA linux..I remember that company
2022-04-06 20:06:17	pantsu	but was 50% more :p
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2022-04-06 20:06:39	DeepDayze	32" is wild...can use that like 2 monitors in 1
2022-04-06 20:06:42	pantsu	32" 4k is a good sweeetspot really
2022-04-06 20:06:53	raster	yeah. shitty the dot com bubble killed us off. we were right. linux has become a huge thing. the world runs on it now.
2022-04-06 20:06:54	DeepDayze	that be good for my Zoom meetings for work
2022-04-06 20:07:03	pantsu	alternatively an ultrawide, depending on use case
2022-04-06 20:07:07	DeepDayze	VA Linux made good stuff
2022-04-06 20:07:10	raster	we just had almost all our eggs in the dot com sever space and the crash killed off all our customers.
2022-04-06 20:07:19	DeepDayze	yea I remember that
2022-04-06 20:07:29	raster	if we could have survived...
2022-04-06 20:07:41	DeepDayze	VA Linux deserves thanks for making Linux great
2022-04-06 20:07:42	raster	in fact i was beginning to mess with an ipaq 3660+ linux
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2022-04-06 20:08:20	raster	i was talking with other enringeers to perhaps start spinninng up a PDA onm this hw that runs linux (at the time it was pocketpc or palmos... and man we could do so much better than either of these)
2022-04-06 20:08:24	DeepDayze	I think someone got an old Compaq smart device working on Linux
2022-04-06 20:08:39	pantsu	going to be nice in 2-3 gens when we have gfx cards that can really do 4k justice
2022-04-06 20:08:52	DeepDayze	those compaq smartphones were clunky but worked
2022-04-06 20:08:54	pantsu	and 4k 120+Hz monitors that doesn't cost over 1000€
2022-04-06 20:08:54	raster	one of my friends there was the guy who worked on the corel netwinder (did bringup on that) which was the same chip as on the ipaq 3660..
2022-04-06 20:09:06	chris_99	Hi, i'm using arch with xfce + xps 13, just wondering has anyone found recently the brightness controls don't do anything anymore?
2022-04-06 20:09:18	raster	so i suspect we could have started the smartphone thing ... if we'd survived :)
2022-04-06 20:09:25	DeepDayze	yeah
2022-04-06 20:09:27	◣	eirik__ (~eirik@84.211.194.108) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-04-06 20:09:32	DeepDayze	before apple or google
2022-04-06 20:10:22	raster	yeah. big shame. we had all the right eningeers and people and if the server business continued we could have funded our pda ventures from that and then spun that into pda+modem and then smartphone
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2022-04-07 16:51:13	novns	the ddterm extension is back and patched for new gnome by the author
2022-04-07 16:51:18	novns	it's getting better
2022-04-07 17:05:22	malc	I'm looking for help with tor and obfs4proxy. Can't get bridged tor work under linux, things do work in the same setup (network wise) when using tor browser under macOS. maybe someone here has experience with tor and bridging. (fwiw i did not have much luck on #tor on oftc.net
2022-04-07 17:35:42	mefistofeles	any ideas why is this happening? https://i.imgur.com/hPY06eO.mp4 using Hack font 10 pt on Konsole 
2022-04-07 17:36:09	Edu4rdSHL	Looks like a weird $PS1 
2022-04-07 17:38:05	rcf	mefistofeles: did it previously work and then stopping working? Or is it something you're trying just now 
2022-04-07 17:38:11	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: hmm I see, this is zsh. I'm not setting $PS1 in .zshrc but I am using starship, that might be why
2022-04-07 17:38:29	mefistofeles	rcf: I think it has been like this since the beginning
2022-04-07 17:45:37	mefistofeles	well, any other hints or ideas are appreciated :)
2022-04-07 18:17:30	Edu4rdSHL	drew, are you using that service for anything?
2022-04-07 18:17:53	Edu4rdSHL	If not, then just disable it
2022-04-07 18:17:58	drew	I'm not sure how to check. I assume any service that waits for network is looking for that service
2022-04-07 18:19:29	Edu4rdSHL	drew, systemctl list-dependencies --reverse systemd-networkd-wait-online.service
2022-04-07 18:27:04	drew	it looks like network-online.target depends on that and then three units depend on network-online.target, but strangely network-online.target is up and the three other services are also up
2022-04-07 18:36:36	Betal	Edu4rdSHL: for some reason this command only return "systemd-networkd-wait-online.service" for me
2022-04-07 18:37:03	Edu4rdSHL	Betal, then you dont have services depending on it
2022-04-07 18:37:11	Betal	Edu4rdSHL: yea, I have that disabled
2022-04-07 18:37:32	Edu4rdSHL	drew, network-online.target doesn't check if the network is online or not really
2022-04-07 18:37:54	Edu4rdSHL	https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/NetworkTarget/
2022-04-07 18:37:56	phrik	Title: NetworkTarget (at www.freedesktop.org)
2022-04-07 18:38:18	Edu4rdSHL	> network-online.target is a target that actively waits until the nework is "up", where the definition of "up" is defined by the network management software. Usually it indicates a configured, routable IP address of some kind.
2022-04-07 18:39:02	Edu4rdSHL	drew, so in your case you don't have any service that really depends on wait-online.service, so you have 2 options: 1) configure your network correctly 2) disable that service
2022-04-07 18:39:55	Edu4rdSHL	You can easily do a `networkctl` and see which interface(s) aren't properly configured
2022-04-07 18:54:11	NH000	!paste
2022-04-07 18:54:11	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-04-07 18:54:35	NH000	!ix
2022-04-07 18:54:35	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
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2022-04-07 19:23:01	drew	I am guessing that the wireless adapter is the one that it is waiting on and not seeing a link http://dpaste.com/G3KRTH5RZ
2022-04-07 19:23:15	drew	but I am telling that service to ignore that adapter anyway, so shouldn't it work?
2022-04-07 19:24:06	Namarrgon	is systemd-networkd managing the wireless link?
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2022-04-07 19:25:16	damjan	all the links say unmanaged
2022-04-07 19:25:57	csm3105	Hi guys! My gnome control center it's having issues, when I'm trying to customize my keyword shortcuts it hungs and I can see the following output in the terminal https://bpa.st/3B2A
2022-04-07 19:25:58	phrik	Title: View paste 3B2A (at bpa.st)
2022-04-07 19:26:48	Namarrgon	csm3105: are you using a custom theme?
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2022-04-07 19:27:28	csm3105	Namarrgon, yes...this one https://github.com/EliverLara/Kimi
2022-04-07 19:27:57	Namarrgon	what happens with the stock theme?
2022-04-07 19:28:38	drew	I think I am using systemd-networkd. I see that dhcpd is running, but I think that runs alongside networkd, right? otherwise I'm not running NetworkManager or wpa_supplicant. Idk what else would be managing it
2022-04-07 19:28:50	drew	this is journalctl for systemd-networkd http://dpaste.com/FX5DLD6UF
2022-04-07 19:28:54	drew	for this boot anyway
2022-04-07 19:29:08	csm3105	Namarrgon, let me check
2022-04-07 19:29:12	Namarrgon	drew: ls -l /etc/systemd/network
2022-04-07 19:29:29	Namarrgon	systemd-networkd doesn't use dhcpcd/dhcpd
2022-04-07 19:29:42	drew	nothing in /etc/systemd/network
2022-04-07 19:29:48	Namarrgon	then you're not using it
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2022-04-07 19:30:04	drew	ok let me try to figure out what I could be using
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2022-04-07 19:34:22	damjan	drew: no, networkd doesn't use dhcpcd
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2022-04-07 19:34:58	damjan	drew: if it's for a laptop just configure network manager. if it's a fixed computer, use networkd + iwd (or again NetworkManger)
2022-04-07 19:35:05	powftw	Are here people using atom editor?
2022-04-07 19:35:17	damjan	drew: remove all else :)
2022-04-07 19:36:36	powftw	nodejs-lts-gallium and nodejs are in conflict. Remove nodejs [y/N] 
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2022-04-07 19:36:52	Scimmia	powftw: answer y
2022-04-07 19:36:58	csm3105	Namarrgon, I have tried restoring the default aparience in gnome-tweaks and it does the same error 
2022-04-07 19:37:23	powftw	Scimmia: will it break any other stuff?
2022-04-07 19:37:38	Scimmia	powftw: do you have anything that specifically needs nodejs 17?
2022-04-07 19:37:42	drew	I don't have anything in /etc/netctl, but I see that the unit uses store and restore, so is it possible that netctl is just re-using some long-deleted config?
2022-04-07 19:38:02	powftw	Scimmia: idk
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2022-04-07 19:38:07	Namarrgon	csm3105: try it with clean, new user account
2022-04-07 19:38:08	Scimmia	try it and see
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2022-04-07 19:38:36	drew	otherwise I don't have connman or nm installed. I have wpa_supplicant installed, but it doesn't show up with pgrep -a wpa_supplicant
2022-04-07 19:38:46	Namarrgon	drew: tree /etc/systemd/system
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2022-04-07 19:41:09	powftw	I can't sacrifice node just from atom.
2022-04-07 19:41:09	powftw	⚛️
2022-04-07 19:41:09	powftw	So I don't use atom 
2022-04-07 19:41:10	Edu4rdSHL	I suspect that drew is just using dhcpcd
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2022-04-07 19:43:04	Scimmia	powftw: sacrificing node? Did you bother to look what the packages in question are?
2022-04-07 19:43:37	powftw	I don't like to stick with lts
2022-04-07 19:43:40	◣	feriman (~feriman@188.163.113.151) ha salido (Quit: leaving)
2022-04-07 19:43:44	powftw	Just for node
2022-04-07 19:43:54	powftw	Just for atom*
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2022-04-07 19:45:53	Scimmia	powftw: what else do you use node fore?
2022-04-07 19:45:55	Scimmia	for?
2022-04-07 19:46:44	◣	tasse (~tasse@user/tasse) ha salido (Quit: Bye)
2022-04-07 19:47:18	Scimmia	atom is a bit of a disaster, getting rid of it isn't a bad thing, but doing it because of this is silly
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2022-04-07 19:47:41	Edu4rdSHL	Also, why not just vscode :p
2022-04-07 19:47:42	Elodin	pam_unix: conversation failed; pam_unix: auth could not identify password for elodin; I'm sure the password is correct.
2022-04-07 19:48:05	artefact	caps lock? nums lock? correct key map?
2022-04-07 19:48:12	Edu4rdSHL	Elodin, how many failed attemps before it?
2022-04-07 19:48:25	Edu4rdSHL	You're failloc-ed probably
2022-04-07 19:48:30	Edu4rdSHL	ked *
2022-04-07 19:48:56	Elodin	Edu4rdSHL: it says i reached 3 failed attempts. So i'm locked out of sudo?
2022-04-07 19:49:49	Edu4rdSHL	Yes, for a few minutes, however you can reset that using the root user
2022-04-07 19:50:03	Edu4rdSHL	faillock --user $your_user --reset
2022-04-07 19:51:02	powftw	Scimmia: idk.. I'm looking for a good code editor. Ditched sublime and atom (even before using)
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2022-04-07 19:51:18	Elodin	Edu4rdSHL: thanks
2022-04-07 19:51:29	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, vscode
2022-04-07 19:51:32	artefact	what features are you looking for?
2022-04-07 19:51:39	teraflops	vscode is ok
2022-04-07 19:51:43	powftw	Git integration only 
2022-04-07 19:51:59	Edu4rdSHL	vscode has a great git integrations btw
2022-04-07 19:52:03	teraflops	it has nice git plugins like gitlens
2022-04-07 19:52:07	NH000	here is what i get when i try to run kotlinc: http://ix.io/3Uyl
2022-04-07 19:52:08	Edu4rdSHL	s/ons/on
2022-04-07 19:52:24	powftw	I like vs.. but I'm running a 4gb ram system with Intel i3 processor 
2022-04-07 19:52:29	Edu4rdSHL	NH000, looks live a problem with the java version
2022-04-07 19:52:37	powftw	And it's heavy 700mb or something 
2022-04-07 19:52:38	NH000	i also tried reinstalling kotlin and jdk but nothing :(
2022-04-07 19:52:45	Edu4rdSHL	NH000, where is that package from?
2022-04-07 19:52:47	Edu4rdSHL	AUR?
2022-04-07 19:52:55	artefact	is that with or without lsp? powftw
2022-04-07 19:52:56	NH000	Ed4rdSHL: No
2022-04-07 19:53:02	teraflops	well vscode is not lightweight
2022-04-07 19:53:08	csm3105	Namarrgon, I have treid to create another user and it works correctly... what would you recommend me to do in this case? is it better to start with a new user...?
2022-04-07 19:53:10	Edu4rdSHL	?wtf kotlinc
2022-04-07 19:53:11	@EMIYA	Edu4rdSHL: community/intellij-idea-community-edition 4:2021.3.3-1 (/usr/share/idea/plugins/Kotlin/kotlinc/bin/kotlinc), community/kotlin
2022-04-07 19:53:15	vvn	Arch makes use of systemd-remount-fs.service if /etc/fstab has a line for /, right?
2022-04-07 19:53:16	NH000	https://archlinux.org/packages/community/any/kotlin/
2022-04-07 19:53:18	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - kotlin 1.6.20-1 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2022-04-07 19:53:20	teraflops	if you have codepilot enabled you can hear the fans when it's working lol
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2022-04-07 19:53:26	powftw	artefact: idk. It was an AUR package 
2022-04-07 19:53:47	Edu4rdSHL	Copilot is <3
2022-04-07 19:54:12	teraflops	yeah I meant copilot not codepilot
2022-04-07 19:54:13	powftw	I only need code completion and git integration 
2022-04-07 19:54:14	Edu4rdSHL	NH000, what's the output of `archlinux-java status`
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2022-04-07 19:54:19	teraflops	it's a nice addon indeed
2022-04-07 19:54:20	Edu4rdSHL	*only*
2022-04-07 19:54:34	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, use vscode, that's it
2022-04-07 19:54:38	powftw	What's the size of Vscode?
2022-04-07 19:54:46	Edu4rdSHL	pacman -Si code
2022-04-07 19:54:47	Edu4rdSHL	:p
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2022-04-07 19:55:18	powftw	Vs code is available in official repo?
2022-04-07 19:55:31	powftw	I did install from aur ig
2022-04-07 19:55:36	artefact	don't think so
2022-04-07 19:55:41	Edu4rdSHL	pacman -Ss code
2022-04-07 19:55:56	Edu4rdSHL	vscode is in the official repos, yes
2022-04-07 19:56:13	Edu4rdSHL	https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/code/
2022-04-07 19:56:14	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - code 1.66.0-2 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-04-07 19:56:41	teraflops	git tree and gitlens are the git plugins I do use iirc
2022-04-07 19:56:45	NH000	Ed4rdSHL: http://ix.io/3Uyz
2022-04-07 19:56:52	teraflops	and vim mode for editing
2022-04-07 19:57:05	Edu4rdSHL	NH000, well, I just installed it and it works just fine
2022-04-07 19:57:13	NH000	Java works just fine btw
2022-04-07 19:57:15	powftw	Edu4rdSHL: will it run fine on my intel i3 processor laptop?
2022-04-07 19:57:16	◣	pjfry428 (~pjfry@193.239.86.2) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-04-07 19:57:17	powftw	4gb ram
2022-04-07 19:57:19	artefact	try it?
2022-04-07 19:57:27	teraflops	powftw: yeah tias
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2022-04-07 19:57:44	Edu4rdSHL	NH000, https://i.imgur.com/6bywHmZ.png
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2022-04-07 19:57:55	ℹ 	cdown_ es conocido ahora como cdown
2022-04-07 19:58:05	Edu4rdSHL	Using the same java version as you
2022-04-07 19:58:13	◣	tomato (~tomato@user/tomato) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-04-07 19:58:42	artefact	crc32 error usually means you have a bad file, disk corruption or bad ram
2022-04-07 19:58:58	artefact	try reinstalling the package
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2022-04-07 19:59:47	NH000	artefect: i already tried reinstalling it
2022-04-07 20:00:19	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, honestly? I doubt, I develop Rust software and using the Rust Analyzer plugin + Copilot + Gitlens and others it takes up to 16GB of RAM :p
2022-04-07 20:00:34	Edu4rdSHL	Or even a little more sometimes
2022-04-07 20:01:01	Edu4rdSHL	But again, that depends on what are you going to install and use, if you only install a few lightweight plugins then it will be fine
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2022-04-07 20:01:53	demonicmaniac1	ah nice you commit copyright infringement getting whole paragraphs copied from gpl code :)
2022-04-07 20:02:00	demonicmaniac1	copilot
2022-04-07 20:02:09	Edu4rdSHL	Who cares
2022-04-07 20:02:10	NH000	i also compared jars in /usr/share/kotlin/lib with those from https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin/releases/tag/v1.6.20 and they all match
2022-04-07 20:03:19	Edu4rdSHL	NH000, as artefact said: 12:58  artefact | crc32 error usually means you have a bad file, disk corruption or bad ram
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2022-04-07 20:03:36	Edu4rdSHL	It works perfectly fine here
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2022-04-07 20:05:04	NH000	Edu4rdSHL: okay i'll try checking ram
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2022-04-07 20:05:25	Edu4rdSHL	Or bad overclocking/undervolting too
2022-04-07 20:06:19	powftw	Edu4rdSHL: my usecase if for mostly python django, flask and javascript 
2022-04-07 20:06:38	Edu4rdSHL	Well, try it and see, I guess
2022-04-07 20:07:07	powftw	Edu4rdSHL: can I know the size of the package?
2022-04-07 20:07:23	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, pacman -Si code
2022-04-07 20:07:54	powftw	I don't have my laptop infront. I'll check later then
2022-04-07 20:08:37	◥	eirik (~eirik@84.211.194.108) has joined #archlinux
2022-04-07 20:09:06	Edu4rdSHL	Installed Size  : 84.99 MiB
2022-04-07 20:09:16	Edu4rdSHL	Download size is 12MiB
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2022-04-07 20:09:23	Edu4rdSHL	zstd magic
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2022-04-07 20:12:25	neko2	hmm. so like, is it perhaps worthy of concern that in the hwmon node for my nvme drive during some lvm movement operations, one temp is getting to 75°C and the other 95°C? o.o (simply labelled "sensor 1" and "sensor 2" in that order, so I don't know which is which)
2022-04-07 20:13:22	topcat001	nvmes are notorious for overheating
2022-04-07 20:13:47	topcat001	some brands more so than others
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2022-04-07 20:14:57	Edu4rdSHL	neko2, that looks worthy for me, my nvmes are usually at 30°C...
2022-04-07 20:15:10	Edu4rdSHL	And the thermal throttling is at 75°C iirc
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2022-04-07 20:15:30	Edu4rdSHL	Have you checked your manufacturer specs? Max temps, etc
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2022-04-07 20:16:18	topcat001	They tend to quickly jump to high temperatures when used continuously. If this is a desktop, consider better cooling?
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2022-04-07 20:16:58	neko2	Edu4rdSHL: trying to find it in a hurry. 970 evo 1TB (from cursory searches it runs particularly toasty)
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2022-04-07 20:17:19	Edu4rdSHL	But 95°C seems a very hight temperature, even for processors which have a higher termal throttling than nvmes
2022-04-07 20:17:30	Edu4rdSHL	neko2, I see...
2022-04-07 20:17:41	neko2	I can only _hope_ the higher temp is the controller
2022-04-07 20:17:51	neko2	(if it were the nand I'd be losing bits by now)
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2022-04-07 20:18:04	topcat001	I am also doubtful how reliable that readout is.
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2022-04-07 20:18:25	neko2	topcat001: well for one, it's always a whole degree + 0.875 for some asinine reason
2022-04-07 20:18:57	neko2	errr. .85 rather. I think it's to do with claiming it's minimum is -273.15 (so absolute zero)
2022-04-07 20:19:02	neko2	(X to doubt on that one)
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2022-04-07 20:19:12	topcat001	When it's completely idle, does it read within about 10 deg C of the ambient temps?
2022-04-07 20:19:43	topcat001	Idle temps of about 30 are common.
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2022-04-07 20:20:22	neko2	topcat001: yes. but it's ambient inside a SFF case admittedly. (previously it had not been a problem before an orientation change of the machine... but I only just noticed a few minutes ago _how much_ of a problem I was in)
2022-04-07 20:20:50	topcat001	ok then maybe it is reading correctly
2022-04-07 20:21:14	topcat001	it might be prudent to try to cool it actively
2022-04-07 20:21:19	neko2	it does tend to hover at cpu temp +10C
2022-04-07 20:21:39	neko2	(the cpu itself is being kept very low power thankfully else I'd have two problems)
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2022-04-07 20:22:08	neko2	note to self, get some noctuas
2022-04-07 20:22:18	topcat001	indeed
2022-04-07 20:22:26	Edu4rdSHL	neko2, does the nvme has a heatsink?
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2022-04-07 20:22:52	DeepDayze	usually in a tower system the nvme is vertical
2022-04-07 20:23:24	Edu4rdSHL	So?
2022-04-07 20:23:24	DeepDayze	in those little sff systems or in laptops it's flat
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2022-04-07 20:23:48	DeepDayze	the direction of heat would be upwards in both cases...
2022-04-07 20:24:12	DeepDayze	a heatsink would certainly help
2022-04-07 20:24:44	⚡ 	topcat001 SFF >:-(
2022-04-07 20:24:52	Edu4rdSHL	Yeah, basic Aluminum cooling heatsinks that costs like 5USD ¿? helps a lot
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2022-04-07 20:25:22	Edu4rdSHL	Sometimes the temperatures goes so high because they impact directly the nvme surface
2022-04-07 20:25:25	DeepDayze	those nvme heatsinks either clip on or stuck to the device using a heat resistant tape
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2022-04-07 20:25:39	Edu4rdSHL	DeepDayze, yep! They use a pad
2022-04-07 20:25:57	DeepDayze	yes much like cpu ones
2022-04-07 20:26:31	DeepDayze	i bought one for my WD Black nvme
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2022-04-07 20:26:43	demonicmaniac1	if its too cramped you can also get wawy with thermal pad from ssd to the case
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2022-04-07 20:27:40	DeepDayze	mine is in a tight space between graphics card and the ram
2022-04-07 20:28:01	DeepDayze	and this is on an Asus mobo
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2022-04-07 20:28:12	demonicmaniac1	nice all the gpu heat directly on the nvme
2022-04-07 20:28:35	DeepDayze	Asus tends to put their nvme slots in tight spots usually near the graphics card or cpu mount
2022-04-07 20:28:48	DeepDayze	bad spot imo
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2022-04-07 20:28:58	Edu4rdSHL	demonicmaniac1, x2, I had the same problem in my B550
2022-04-07 20:29:21	DeepDayze	as all the heat from gpu and/or cpu would be going onto the nvme...causing throttling or even shutdown 
2022-04-07 20:29:32	Edu4rdSHL	When you had only one NVME there aren't problems, but once you put another, they start
2022-04-07 20:29:46	DeepDayze	true but my Asus B450 has one slot
2022-04-07 20:29:53	Edu4rdSHL	One of the nvmes is exactly under the GPU >.<
2022-04-07 20:29:57	DeepDayze	some boards have 2
2022-04-07 20:30:04	demonicmaniac1	theres m.2 extender cables like pcie extensions
2022-04-07 20:30:08	artefact	nvme to pcie is trivial
2022-04-07 20:30:34	DeepDayze	if you have the lanes you can trick a board into taking another nvme
2022-04-07 20:30:40	DeepDayze	using a pcie slot
2022-04-07 20:31:06	DeepDayze	even if you can't boot from it but using that one as a data drive
2022-04-07 20:31:11	demonicmaniac1	sure but you wont be able to boot off it
2022-04-07 20:31:13	demonicmaniac1	yeh
2022-04-07 20:31:15	artefact	it's really just about the form factor, i'm not even sure there's a difference at the protocol level
2022-04-07 20:31:33	DeepDayze	most of those pcie nvme adapters don't support booting
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2022-04-07 20:31:58	DeepDayze	i can look at the extender cables to help relocate the nvme away from the gpu
2022-04-07 20:32:02	Tom^	what is the reason for not being able to boot from them, anyone knows?
2022-04-07 20:32:17	DeepDayze	hardware limitations most likely
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2022-04-07 20:32:25	artefact	too cheap to write an efi driver
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2022-04-07 20:32:59	DeepDayze	an nvme driver for efi would be necessary to boot off an nvme in a pcie slot adapter
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2022-04-07 20:33:07	Edu4rdSHL	Are you saying that adapter manufacturers are cheap? 
2022-04-07 20:33:09	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-04-07 20:33:11	DeepDayze	Lol
2022-04-07 20:33:44	DeepDayze	or even mobo makers don't have the chops to provide decent firmware
2022-04-07 20:33:45	artefact	you can still have your root fs on one, just the esp needs to be somewhere else
2022-04-07 20:34:01	◣	mizu (~mizu@user/mizu) ha salido (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2022-04-07 20:34:06	DeepDayze	esp does need to be on a bootable device
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2022-04-07 20:34:14	Edu4rdSHL	It's fun how we started talking about a heat issue and ended up with this >.<
2022-04-07 20:34:18	DeepDayze	:)
2022-04-07 20:34:24	DeepDayze	rabbit holes man
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2022-04-07 20:34:37	DeepDayze	jumping down a rabbit hole lol
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2022-04-07 20:35:11	DeepDayze	heatsinks and proper cooling should fix most heat issues involving nvme and ram
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2022-04-07 20:35:24	demonicmaniac1	i remember using plop to boot off usb storage on devices that didn't support usb booting back in the day
2022-04-07 20:35:39	demonicmaniac1	just have plop on the internal hdd to boot usb hdds via generic usb driver provided by plop
2022-04-07 20:35:41	DeepDayze	ditto...had an old laptop that needed that to boot usb install media
2022-04-07 20:35:44	artefact	i still have a 1st gen ryzen, i can't push it too hard anyway
2022-04-07 20:36:03	DeepDayze	cd drive in the old thing was dead
2022-04-07 20:36:13	Tom^	demonicmaniac1: heh thats an bootmanager i havent seen in ages
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2022-04-07 20:36:43	DeepDayze	i set up a plop partition akin to /boot for that purpose too
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2022-04-07 20:37:16	DeepDayze	and a nice boot menu comes up
2022-04-07 20:37:56	DeepDayze	pick your installed os's or usb device and off to the races
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2022-04-07 20:39:16	NH000	i'm back
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2022-04-07 20:39:44	NH000	ram is fine and i also checked disk with e2fsck -cpvf, all fine
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2022-04-07 20:40:08	Edu4rdSHL	NH000, do you do some overcloking/undervolting?
2022-04-07 20:40:19	NH000	Edu4rdSHL: No.
2022-04-07 20:40:53	Edu4rdSHL	No idea then as I can't reproduce the issue. Are you using Arch or some Arch-based distro?
2022-04-07 20:40:59	NH000	Arch
2022-04-07 20:41:14	Edu4rdSHL	No idea, sorry
2022-04-07 20:41:17	NH000	at least i know that it works for others
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2022-04-07 20:41:47	Edu4rdSHL	I tried on 3 different machines and it works :/
2022-04-07 20:41:59	Edu4rdSHL	Try reinstalling the java packages
2022-04-07 20:42:06	Edu4rdSHL	Not only the kotlin one
2022-04-07 20:42:06	NH000	i tried reinstalling ALL packages on the system already
2022-04-07 20:42:11	Edu4rdSHL	I see...
2022-04-07 20:42:21	NH000	maybe i should do reinstall the system itself?
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2022-04-07 20:43:22	Edu4rdSHL	NH000, what's the output of pacman -Qkk
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2022-04-07 20:46:24	artefact	it's a super long shot, but try pacman -Scc, use a different mirror, and reinstall the package?
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2022-04-07 20:52:10	NH000	artefect: nope
2022-04-07 20:52:39	NH000	Edu4rdHL: http://ix.io/3UyP
2022-04-07 20:52:45	jonathon	NH000: where are you getting Kotlin from? Is it a package or from JetBrains directly?
2022-04-07 20:52:55	NH000	jonathon: package
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2022-04-07 20:53:07	jonathon	which one?
2022-04-07 20:53:23	NH000	https://archlinux.org/packages/community/any/kotlin/
2022-04-07 20:53:24	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - kotlin 1.6.20-1 (any) (at archlinux.org)
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2022-04-07 20:54:11	⚡ 	jonathon will try to replicate
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2022-04-07 20:59:02	jonathon	ok, it's running here with liberica 17.0.2+9-LTS
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2022-04-07 20:59:50	jonathon	which JDK are you using?
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2022-04-07 21:00:07	NH000	jonathon: openjdk 17
2022-04-07 21:00:10	neko2	Edu4rdSHL, DeepDayze: as it's an APU build, the nvme is actually in a riser from the pcie AIC slot. I am thinking of getting https://www.icydock.com/goods.php?id=309 which is all-metal and the sleds have integrated thermal interfacing. then there's a fan mount near the slots on the case.
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2022-04-07 21:00:39	neko2	not originally for thermal reasons but it might solve that too
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2022-04-07 21:03:29	jonathon	NH000: a slight guess, but it might be https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/74371 (or you've just got filesystem corruption)
2022-04-07 21:03:30	phrik	Title: FS#74371 : [zlib] v1.2.12 breaks Spring Boot build (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2022-04-07 21:04:13	DeepDayze	that looks nice neko2
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2022-04-07 21:04:47	DeepDayze	a big plus is the little cage to be able to install and remove the nvme device easily
2022-04-07 21:05:04	DeepDayze	good if you swap devices a lot
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2022-04-07 21:06:12	neko2	DeepDayze: well, actually as it stands due to family situation, as well as maintenance there's a distinct possibility I might have to hardbail with the drive
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2022-04-07 21:06:25	neko2	but uh... that's a story for offtopic
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2022-04-07 21:06:44	NH000	jonathon: yes that's it, it works now
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2022-04-07 21:06:46	NH000	thanks
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2022-04-07 21:09:25	DeepDayze	I might consider getting one
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2022-04-07 21:09:41	neko2	DeepDayze: be advised, they're not too cheap.
2022-04-07 21:09:48	neko2	icydock have a market niche to themselves
2022-04-07 21:10:15	neko2	(though when it comes to anything pcie everything's bloody expensive anyway)
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2022-04-07 21:10:49	DeepDayze	it's $91USD at a US based distributor
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2022-04-07 21:12:15	neko2	DeepDayze: here it's 108 GBP for all post-import options ($141 yikes)
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2022-04-07 21:14:03	neko2	however, I feel it would pay for itself in many ways
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2022-04-07 21:14:25	neko2	not least of which is, well, inevitably handling a bare m.2 one _will_ fuck up
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2022-04-07 21:14:37	DeepDayze	ahh those crazy taxes over there
2022-04-07 21:14:49	neko2	DeepDayze: 20% duty aye
2022-04-07 21:15:02	neko2	(idk where the rest of the difference comes from)
2022-04-07 21:15:17	DeepDayze	think they sell the cages separately too for making it easy to swap multiple nvme's
2022-04-07 21:15:31	DeepDayze	and to store them
2022-04-07 21:15:45	neko2	DeepDayze: indeed, they have a module for two of them in a slimline optical bay (though naturally the connections on the back are nonstandard)
2022-04-07 21:15:59	DeepDayze	even nicer
2022-04-07 21:16:01	neko2	can't remember if storagereview, servethehome or both have done pieces on them
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2022-04-07 21:16:20	neko2	but once I saw that perspective I was like "fuck it, I never want to handle bare drives ever again"
2022-04-07 21:16:30	neko2	(2.5" sata, sure, but not m.2)
2022-04-07 21:16:32	DeepDayze	i would love one that can fit in a floppy bay
2022-04-07 21:16:42	neko2	DeepDayze: they do those!
2022-04-07 21:16:47	neko2	for sata, m.2 and u.2
2022-04-07 21:16:50	DeepDayze	then load/unload the nvme's from the front of the big machine
2022-04-07 21:16:57	neko2	DeepDayze: one sec, getting page
2022-04-07 21:16:59	neko2	they have that
2022-04-07 21:17:05	DeepDayze	cool
2022-04-07 21:17:09	neko2	in a hotswap form too, cageless
2022-04-07 21:17:26	DeepDayze	i'd prefer some sort of holder for the nvme's so that I don't damage them
2022-04-07 21:17:53	DeepDayze	bare nvme's are so fragile
2022-04-07 21:18:05	neko2	oh, we still talking m.2 sorry, I got confused
2022-04-07 21:18:13	DeepDayze	m.2 nvme
2022-04-07 21:18:23	DeepDayze	2280 is common nvme form factot
2022-04-07 21:18:27	DeepDayze	factor*
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2022-04-07 21:21:38	neko2	DeepDayze: https://www.icydock.com/goods.php?id=334 (different sled type though). that fits two of them.
2022-04-07 21:21:39	phrik	Title: MB834M2K-B_ToughArmor Series_REMOVABLE U.2 / M.2 SSD ENCLOSURES_ICY DOCK manufacturer Removable enclosure, Screwless hard drive enclosure, SAS SATA Mobile Rack, DVR Surveillance Recording, Video Audio Editing, SATA portable hard drive enclosure (at www.icydock.com)
2022-04-07 21:22:43	neko2	tbf icydock know exactly what they're doing... if you need one of their things, you'll pay their prices for it
2022-04-07 21:23:51	neko2	(also note, despite appearances, _that_ one is not a u.2 adapter sled. the m.2's connectors are still exposed. you'll want to watch the wear cycles.)
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2022-04-07 21:27:27	wyre	should I have at least localhost in the /etc/hosts? 🤔
2022-04-07 21:27:50	BrainDamage	it's not necessary
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2022-04-07 21:28:14	BrainDamage	the dns resolver(s) are able to resolve localhost on their own
2022-04-07 21:28:26	wyre	BrainDamage, I guess that's only if I want to set up some webserver for dev or something like that, right? 
2022-04-07 21:28:34	wyre	oh, I see
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2022-04-07 21:28:48	wyre	thank you 😊
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2022-04-08 20:31:42	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1518 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1517 normals)
2022-04-08 17:09:52	artefact	passwords are on their way out. passphrases are the future ;-)
2022-04-08 17:11:12	colo	the future is one of API tokens, i.e., single-factor auth. cool stuff!
2022-04-08 17:12:00	Namarrgon	a passphrase is just a password with whitespace
2022-04-08 17:12:18	mefistofeles	unless_I_do_this
2022-04-08 17:12:18	absolutemoron	Hi could someone verify and tell me if /etc/pesign should be owned by root and in group root or by pesign?
2022-04-08 17:12:27	Namarrgon	you rebel!
2022-04-08 17:12:33	mefistofeles	haha
2022-04-08 17:12:38	artefact	that's a pass_snake
2022-04-08 17:12:52	absolutemoron	ls -l /etc/pesign, if you can
2022-04-08 17:13:40	Scimmia	absolutemoron: there's no such file or dir in the repos
2022-04-08 17:13:47	Namarrgon	absolutemoron: https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/blob/packages/pesign/trunk/pesign.tmpfiles
2022-04-08 17:14:17	Namarrgon	if that file is created by a systemd service it will usually inherit the same owner
2022-04-08 17:16:38	absolutemoron	Namarrgon thanks. I got "Detected unsafe path transition /etc/pki/pesign (owned by pesign) → /etc/pki/pesign/cert9.db (owned by root) during canonicalization of /etc/pki/pesign/cert9.db." error during installation, when the temo files are created, so was trying to see may be i should change the ownership to pesign rather than root. Cause my
2022-04-08 17:16:39	absolutemoron	pesign folder has pesign as owner and group, but the files inside the folders have root as owner and group.
2022-04-08 17:16:51	absolutemoron	Thanks for the clarification, I will try to get this sorted :)
2022-04-08 17:17:20	Namarrgon	how are the files in that directory created?
2022-04-08 17:17:59	absolutemoron	i have no idea, is there a way to find out?
2022-04-08 17:18:32	Namarrgon	what did you run that created the files?
2022-04-08 17:19:36	absolutemoron	Namarrgon, i really don't know what created the file. but error appears when i install linux kernel
2022-04-08 17:19:54	absolutemoron	i tried removing pesign package and reinstall, i get the error messsage again
2022-04-08 17:20:47	absolutemoron	is there way to find out what created the packages in the first place?
2022-04-08 17:20:51	bumblefuzz	anyone have any experience with the Mate DE?
2022-04-08 17:21:18	Bayes	is anyone having chromium to freeze and die with core dump and all lately? or is it just me?
2022-04-08 17:21:41	Namarrgon	absolutemoron: what error are you getting?
2022-04-08 17:21:52	Namarrgon	post the full output to a paste service
2022-04-08 17:22:00	absolutemoron	ok
2022-04-08 17:22:53	absolutemoron	!paste
2022-04-08 17:22:54	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-04-08 17:24:24	susi	lightdm's Xsession has ifs like this: if [ -x "$script" -a ! -d "$script" ]; but I don't get it, is that correct and how it's supposed to be interpret from -a?
2022-04-08 17:25:21	absolutemoron	Namarrgon, https://paste.rs/Zau
2022-04-08 17:25:37	Namarrgon	ah, that's not arch, that's sysrescuecd
2022-04-08 17:26:03	Namarrgon	we don'T support spins and forks in here, try their channels or forums
2022-04-08 17:26:08	absolutemoron	yes but i am repairing the my arch install. as that's the only image i had
2022-04-08 17:26:25	Namarrgon	so that's in the chroot?
2022-04-08 17:26:30	absolutemoron	yes
2022-04-08 17:26:50	Namarrgon	why is pesign installed?
2022-04-08 17:28:16	absolutemoron	I am not sure, but if i am not wrong, a couple of years ago i was trying to create efi keyes for secure boot. I remeber installing pesign.
2022-04-08 17:28:36	Namarrgon	why is it still installed if you're not using it?
2022-04-08 17:28:38	Namarrgon	what happened to the system?
2022-04-08 17:28:46	absolutemoron	what i am confused is why is the temp file creation process checking the pesign folder. If it is not necessary i can remove it
2022-04-08 17:29:36	absolutemoron	the folder still exists even if i remove it. should i remove the folder too?
2022-04-08 17:30:08	Namarrgon	since the files are created during runtime and pacman cannot track them you have to manage them yourself
2022-04-08 17:30:14	absolutemoron	sry, i mean exists even if i remove the package
2022-04-08 17:31:24	absolutemoron	okay i will remove it and see what happens.
2022-04-08 17:31:27	absolutemoron	thanks
2022-04-08 17:31:46	absolutemoron	but any idea why the tmp file creation script check this folder? is it supossed to check all folders?
2022-04-08 17:31:58	Namarrgon	yes, it warns you of a potential issue
2022-04-08 17:32:44	absolutemoron	ah okay, fair enough.
2022-04-08 17:33:14	Namarrgon	it cannot know whether this is intentional or whether you misconfigured something or someone is trying to do something shady
2022-04-08 17:34:44	absolutemoron	regarding your question of what happened to arch. Well, COVID happened. hahahaha. I left this laptop at home and got stuck in a different country and wasn't able to move back for one reason or the other and now when i am back and i tried updating it, it messed up my plymouth, and to sort that ended up with another issue. trying to sort one by one.
2022-04-08 17:34:56	absolutemoron	Namarrgon, ^^ :)
2022-04-08 17:35:28	absolutemoron	to my arch install*, i meant
2022-04-08 17:36:22	jelle	 covid killed the arch install
2022-04-08 17:36:46	absolutemoron	Hahaha, yup.
2022-04-08 17:36:56	mefistofeles	lol
2022-04-08 17:38:06	absolutemoron	Thanks, not getting that error. Now to figure out the intel driver issue to sort the segmentation fault and some how boot into it.
2022-04-08 17:38:40	absolutemoron	^^ Namarrgon, keep forgetting to tag you sorry
2022-04-08 17:38:42	absolutemoron	thanks again
2022-04-08 17:38:48	Namarrgon	np
2022-04-08 18:20:51	kronk	!paste
2022-04-08 18:20:51	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-04-08 18:23:27	kronk	hi there. I'm using iwd and systemd-networkd, and for some reason, every time I shut my lid and re-open it, the wireless adapter fails to power back on.
2022-04-08 18:23:41	kronk	https://bpa.st/raw/6B3A full log for the sleep-and-resume cycle.
2022-04-08 18:24:17	kronk	I have to manually use `networkctl` to power the adapter back on.
2022-04-08 18:25:22	kronk	or iwd. never had this happen with another machine.
2022-04-08 18:26:55	Danilo82	is anything wrong with the community repo?
2022-04-08 18:27:29	Khorne	Yes, no, maybe
2022-04-08 18:28:16	Danilo82	i can't get it to work
2022-04-08 18:28:25	Scimmia	!give Danilo82 errors
2022-04-08 18:28:25	phrik	Danilo82: Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2022-04-08 18:28:56	another|	I don't know. Can you repeat the question?
2022-04-08 18:29:48	Danilo82	404 and when i do get it, i get  comunity.db: Unrecognized archive format
2022-04-08 18:30:14	another|	broken mirror=
2022-04-08 18:30:18	Khorne	So the repo is fine and your mirror is kaputt
2022-04-08 18:30:24	Khorne	Phew, what a relief
2022-04-08 18:30:53	Khorne	Change to a different mirror and try again
2022-04-08 18:31:28	Namarrgon	run file on community.db
2022-04-08 18:31:55	Namarrgon	some shitty servers return HTML error pages
2022-04-08 18:33:49	CubeTheThird	has pipewire matured enough to replace pulseaudio for day-to-day use?
2022-04-08 18:34:16	another|	yes
2022-04-08 18:34:21	Khorne	Works on my machine
2022-04-08 18:35:36	Danilo82	where is community. db downloaded?
2022-04-08 18:36:40	Earnestly	Danilo82: /var/lib/pacman/sync
2022-04-08 18:37:09	Earnestly	Danilo82: Or pacman -v, or pacman-conf DBPath
2022-04-08 18:37:20	kronk	do you have to set the link up every time you wake from sleep even with systemd-networkd managing your wireless adapter?
2022-04-08 18:37:48	Earnestly	It should do that normally, otherwise systemd exposes sleep/ directory hacks for pre/post scripting
2022-04-08 18:38:03	Earnestly	See systemd-sleep(8)
2022-04-08 18:40:02	Danilo82	community.db is a html file full of base64 stuff
2022-04-08 18:41:37	kronk	Earnestly: cool, I'm wondering if I'm hitting a bug, then.
2022-04-08 18:42:02	Danilo82	something pointing to zerobounce.net
2022-04-08 18:42:22	kronk	it just fails to do it but I don't have anything in my dmesg or journalctl to say "hey it failed".
2022-04-08 18:45:47	Earnestly	kronk: Yes, it would be bug
2022-04-08 18:46:00	Earnestly	But this is kernel model territory, so good luck
2022-04-08 18:46:03	Earnestly	module*
2022-04-08 18:46:16	kronk	crud..
2022-04-08 18:46:28	kronk	any initial pointers? error-scavenging advice?
2022-04-08 18:47:19	raster	char *
2022-04-08 18:47:54	Danilo82	any idea why the repo is downloading an html file for an email verification service?
2022-04-08 18:48:05	Earnestly	Look for bug reports about your device and associated module
2022-04-08 18:50:36	MD87	Danilo82: What mirror are you using? Maybe just try a different one?
2022-04-08 18:51:10	Danilo82	i tried the worldwide, Brazilian and US ones
2022-04-08 18:51:20	Danilo82	only 404 and this html thing
2022-04-08 18:53:22	nl6720	make sure to  -Syyu
2022-04-08 18:57:26	Scimmia	I really don't understand why people do that. "what mirror are you using" "oh, some random one from these heading". Yeah, that wasn't the question
2022-04-08 18:58:29	Danilo82	i just want things to work
2022-04-08 19:01:12	nl6720	Danilo82: for things to work, you need to use a working mirror and then -Syyu to overwrite the invalid db 
2022-04-08 19:01:50	nl6720	and you haven't answered which exact mirrors you tried
2022-04-08 19:02:12	Danilo82	i got the latest list
2022-04-08 19:02:16	Danilo82	the https one
2022-04-08 19:02:24	nl6720	:/
2022-04-08 19:02:32	susi	ah, that one
2022-04-08 19:02:49	Baphomet	Hello... VSCode is running on XWayland on wayfire... From ArchLinux wiki it says I'm supposed to add  the --enable-features=UseOzonePlatform and the --ozone-platform=wayland flags to my code-flags.conf, but I get a warning that those flags are unknown when trying to run it 
2022-04-08 19:03:13	Baphomet	And it doesn't run in the end
2022-04-08 19:03:51	susi	Danilo82: what exact repo was it that you were talking about on relation to an html file
2022-04-08 19:03:58	Baphomet	I also found online about the --ozone-platform-hint=auto flag, which I tried and got same results
2022-04-08 19:04:13	Danilo82	I'm not sure, i believe the worldwide ones
2022-04-08 19:04:13	ugga-the-caveman	hi, i want to install archlinux inside an encrypten lvm, in such a way i can this system to install other archlinux systems inside that same logical volume. any tips hints tutorials ideas ?
2022-04-08 19:04:36	ugga-the-caveman	is this even a good idea to install archlinux from an very old archlinux installation
2022-04-08 19:04:54	susi	of course it's not
2022-04-08 19:05:04	susi	or I might have misunderstood what you mean
2022-04-08 19:05:23	ugga-the-caveman	i mean i use pacman -Syu before i install
2022-04-08 19:05:51	ugga-the-caveman	but instead of putting in a thumbdrive with archlinux iso i boot up this particullar system on lvl
2022-04-08 19:06:41	nl6720	you can install arch from any existing arch install. see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_from_existing_Linux 
2022-04-08 19:06:42	phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux from existing Linux - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-08 19:07:02	ugga-the-caveman	yesd i read that article
2022-04-08 19:11:13	nl6720	ugga-the-caveman: so the issue is that you just don't want to update this installation environment?
2022-04-08 19:11:30	another|	err.. what do you want to do?
2022-04-08 19:11:44	ugga-the-caveman	just want to know if thats a good idea
2022-04-08 19:12:00	ugga-the-caveman	i think from what i have read that it might be possible
2022-04-08 19:13:14	nl6720	installing from an old arch install may not be the best idea. you'll run into keyring issues fairly soon
2022-04-08 19:21:36	kronk	soooooo.
2022-04-08 19:21:47	kronk	I'm failing to load some wireless firmware. https://bpa.st/76GQ
2022-04-08 19:21:47	phrik	Title: View paste 76GQ (at bpa.st)
2022-04-08 19:21:59	kronk	and the result is that my wireless card isn't available at boot. https://bpa.st/47GQ
2022-04-08 19:21:59	phrik	Title: View paste 47GQ (at bpa.st)
2022-04-08 19:22:05	kronk	until I restart `iwd`.
2022-04-08 19:22:23	kronk	looked up some arch user threads, no dice (usually just ends with someone saying "just do an install script").
2022-04-08 19:22:45	kronk	any particular path forward here? I have a fairly new wireless card in this laptop.
2022-04-08 19:23:05	kronk	specifically, a Intel Corporation Wi-Fi 6 AX210/AX211/AX411 160MHz (rev 1a)
2022-04-08 19:24:26	Tom^	kronk: sounds related https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73387
2022-04-08 19:24:27	phrik	Title: FS#73387 : [linux-firmware] Intel AX210 iwlwifi broken on kernel and firmware upgrade (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-04-08 19:24:48	kronk	coooooooooool.
2022-04-08 19:24:50	Tom^	kronk: so yeah its even apparently some kind of linux firmware regression
2022-04-08 19:25:02	kronk	well, that's a relief!
2022-04-08 19:25:07	kronk	I thought it was user error.
2022-04-08 19:25:14	Tom^	i guess you could figure out which archiso or date has the older firmware and download that iso and install from there on
2022-04-08 19:25:26	Tom^	but it will bork unless you downgrade on the installed system aswell
2022-04-08 19:25:42	kronk	yeah.. guess my temporary hotfix is just to keep bonking iwd.
2022-04-08 19:26:25	kronk	thanks, that clears it up.
2022-04-08 19:33:35	guavahabanero	Hello! Since yesterday when I updated pipewire, I've been having an intermittent issue with my headphones where the audio has become super phasey. Until recently it was limited to games but has now spread to chromium.
2022-04-08 19:33:44	guavahabanero	The headphones are otherwise functional
2022-04-08 19:34:09	artefact	phasey?
2022-04-08 19:34:43	guavahabanero	When two audio signals are present and one is delayed just enough to cause destructuve interference and make the sound hollow and tinny
2022-04-08 19:35:27	artefact	do you see anything strange in pavucontrol, carla/qjackctl ?
2022-04-08 19:35:35	guavahabanero	Everything is normal
2022-04-08 19:35:41	artefact	like some monitor turned on or something?
2022-04-08 19:36:22	guavahabanero	Seemingly no
2022-04-08 19:36:27	guavahabanero	I've got one idea
2022-04-08 19:36:31	guavahabanero	Bear with me a second
2022-04-08 19:36:42	BrainDamage	🐻
2022-04-08 19:37:08	artefact	👀
2022-04-08 19:37:37	artefact	(wow, they made xeyes in unicode!)
2022-04-08 19:37:42	guavahabanero	Yay bear!
2022-04-08 19:37:44	guavahabanero	Okay!
2022-04-08 19:37:50	jmariondev	Danilo82: You can be certain of your mirror by writing the following line (and only the following line) into your mirrorlist file:
2022-04-08 19:37:50	jmariondev	`Server = https://mirror.rackspace.com/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch`
2022-04-08 19:38:02	guavahabanero	So, previously in CS:GO the audio with be affected this way but not discord audio
2022-04-08 19:38:06	jmariondev	The rackspace mirror will definitely not return HTML for your db files :P
2022-04-08 19:38:10	guavahabanero	Now chromium is affected and VLC isn't
2022-04-08 19:38:40	kronk	downgrading/removing the firmware blobs didn't help... ugh.
2022-04-08 19:38:58	guavahabanero	What's the safest way to in-place restart pipewire?
2022-04-08 19:39:00	guavahabanero	systemctl?
2022-04-08 19:39:22	BrainDamage	depends how you launched it
2022-04-08 19:39:28	BrainDamage	if it's from the user socket, then yes
2022-04-08 19:39:55	guavahabanero	Not gonna lie to you. I installed it and haven't touched it since
2022-04-08 19:39:56	guavahabanero	Hahaha
2022-04-08 19:40:04	guavahabanero	So, it's whatever its default is
2022-04-08 19:41:00	jmariondev	Baphomet: VSCode has been broken on Wayland for a little while due to an Electron bug (?), I've just been falling back to Xwayland for the time being. Those warnings about unknown flags are normal and expected, they get passed through to electron
2022-04-08 19:41:14	artefact	do you see it in systemctl --user status?
2022-04-08 19:41:59	jmariondev	If `systemctl --user status pipewire` shows the unit running, use `systemctl --user restart pipewire`
2022-04-08 19:42:02	guavahabanero	I do see it in --user status
2022-04-08 19:42:07	guavahabanero	Thank you!
2022-04-08 19:42:22	guavahabanero	I appreciate everyone'
2022-04-08 19:42:28	guavahabanero	s time!
2022-04-08 20:05:32	absolutemoron	Hi, i updated my arch after a year (long story short - was able to get me hands on it only now). reboot and i am unable to boot. The boot process get stuck at terminating plymouth. I thought the issue was with plymouth, but looks like the issue is with xorg. Here is my xorg log -> https://paste.rs/vKo could someone help me figure out what's the
2022-04-08 20:05:33	absolutemoron	issue? Please let me know if you need any other information.
2022-04-08 20:07:43	kevku	you might need to remove the old intel driver
2022-04-08 20:08:59	MacGyver	Looks like a partial update to me.
2022-04-08 20:09:12	MacGyver	i965_dri.so is part of mesa.
2022-04-08 20:09:20	Scimmia	mesa-amber now
2022-04-08 20:09:45	absolutemoron	so i should remove mesa and install mesa-amber?
2022-04-08 20:09:53	Scimmia	but getting rid of the intel ddx might get rid of the need for it?
2022-04-08 20:10:05	MacGyver	I *really* should alias pacman -F to pacman -Fy.
2022-04-08 20:10:51	absolutemoron	Scimmia intel ddx?
2022-04-08 20:11:05	Scimmia	absolutemoron: xf86-video-intel
2022-04-08 20:11:29	absolutemoron	ah okay, so i uninstall it and install mesa-amber?
2022-04-08 20:11:31	mystiquewolf	<CubeTheThird> "has pipewire matured enough to..." <- Unless you're unlucky - yes. But you might be unlucky if you're using KDE. It's all up to luck after all.
2022-04-08 20:11:37	absolutemoron	also  remove mesa?
2022-04-08 20:11:54	absolutemoron	may be i will try just remove the xf86 driver
2022-04-08 20:12:06	absolutemoron	as you and MacGyver suggested
2022-04-08 20:12:36	MacGyver	Scimmia: Don't you need mesa or mesa-amber regardless?
2022-04-08 20:12:45	absolutemoron	thanks guys, i think i got the sense of it, will get this working. see ya after reboot
2022-04-08 20:12:50	kevku	haswell should work with regular mesa
2022-04-08 20:13:20	Scimmia	MacGyver: yes, you need one or the other, I'm wondering if the intel ddx is just too outdated and is trying to load the non-gallium driver
2022-04-08 20:13:34	Scimmia	while modesetting would use the gallium driver
2022-04-08 20:13:56	MacGyver	absolutemoron: Right ^, so don't uninstall mesa, only uninstall xf86-video-intel.
2022-04-08 20:14:04	absolutemoron	okay
2022-04-08 20:14:08	absolutemoron	thanks :)
2022-04-08 20:15:08	Scimmia	I have a haswell system here, but without X so I can't test
2022-04-08 20:15:48	MacGyver	Your explanation is probable.
2022-04-08 20:16:14	MacGyver	The upgrade wouldn't catch it because mesa provides mesa-amber; at most I guess it emitted a warning at some point perhaps.
2022-04-08 20:16:17	MacGyver	Uh.
2022-04-08 20:16:42	MacGyver	mesa-amber provides mesa*.
2022-04-08 20:16:48	MacGyver	Which xf86-video-intel depends on.
2022-04-08 20:17:50	MacGyver	I have a haswell system here too, but with a broken screen and hasn't been turned on in over a year.
2022-04-08 20:17:55	MacGyver	I really should fix that screen.
2022-04-08 20:19:10	Scimmia	Funny, that's why mine doesn't have X, bad screen
2022-04-08 20:19:28	Scimmia	or cable (laptop)
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2022-04-08 20:36:38	CubeTheThird	mystiquewolf, thanks for that. I'm using Gnome, and am finding myself having to switch to EasyEffects from PulseEffects (legacy) because it's now borked
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2022-04-08 20:37:22	Carbon_Monoxide	How do I read the binary logs from makepkg?
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2022-04-08 20:39:09	absolutemoron	Hi, i tried both methods, but neither worked. First just removed xf86-video-intel, still faced the same issue as boot stuck at terminating plymouth. Then uninstalled mesa and installed mesa-amber and still faced the same issue. :(
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2022-04-08 20:41:06	CubeTheThird	absolutemoron, you've tried disabling plymouth?
2022-04-08 20:41:35	thrice	Carbon_Monoxide: which binary logs?
2022-04-08 20:42:06	absolutemoron29	CubeTheThird, yes i tried it earlier.
2022-04-08 20:42:29	vvn	The longer is the LUKS2 key, the longer it takes to decrypt or not?
2022-04-08 20:42:39	absolutemoron29	i think i will take a break OR else i am going mamd
2022-04-08 20:42:45	artefact	vvn: cryptsetup benchmark
2022-04-08 20:42:53	absolutemoron29	vvn was that question for me?
2022-04-08 20:43:02	vvn	absolutemoron: no
2022-04-08 20:43:05	absolutemoron29	okay
2022-04-08 20:43:16	MacGyver	vvn: No.
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2022-04-08 20:43:30	absolutemoron29	thanks guys will deal with it later
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2022-04-08 20:45:14	MacGyver	vvn: You will get a noticeable difference for *unlock* speed if you feed it a gigabyte of random data as a keyslot key, but beyond that it's all symmetrical algorithms where the differences in algorithms are much more relevant than any difference in key length.
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2022-04-08 20:46:47	artefact	for unlock speed, the pbkdf algo matters a lot
2022-04-08 20:47:01	artefact	(well, its parameters)
2022-04-08 20:47:21	gehidore	14
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2022-04-08 20:51:03	vvn	artefact: true. I'm generating an encrypted partition blob on a build host that I copy later on a target. Because the target has not a lot of RAM, decrypting the non-natively encrypted partition fails unless I generate the partition with --pbkdf pbkdf2, but then it takes ~1m30s to decrypt. While a natively encrypted partition decrypts in a few seconds.
2022-04-08 20:52:04	MacGyver	s/decrypt/unlock.
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2022-04-08 20:52:17	vvn	ha
2022-04-08 20:52:25	MacGyver	(This matters)
2022-04-08 20:52:27	vvn	MacGyver: thanks for the precision
2022-04-08 20:52:37	Namarrgon	you can adjust  the iteraction count for pbkdf
2022-04-08 20:52:42	Namarrgon	*iteration
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2022-04-08 20:53:13	Namarrgon	cryptsetup tunes it to the system on which you create the volume/key
2022-04-08 20:53:14	vvn	MacGyver: can I use something else than --pbkdf pbkdf2 to match the native target performance? It can totally be target-specific
2022-04-08 20:53:15	MacGyver	(But you probably shouldn't target 2 seconds on a target *that* slow)
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2022-04-08 20:53:36	MacGyver	(Because then the whole point of PBKDF2 goes out the window)
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2022-04-08 20:54:16	MacGyver	Though, you're auto-generating all this, right?
2022-04-08 20:54:21	vvn	indeed native encryption takes <10s to unlock 
2022-04-08 20:54:50	vvn	MacGyver: in the "factory" scenario yes, I have a pre-built encrypted image
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2022-04-08 20:55:08	MacGyver	Okay, then read *very* carefully because getting this wrong will be catastrophic, but:
2022-04-08 20:55:29	⚡ 	vvn is reading carefully
2022-04-08 20:55:58	MacGyver	You *can*, on the build-host, pull 512 bits of randomness out of /dev/urandom; then set that as a keyslot key with pbkdf2 with a very low iteration count (as low as 1, really).
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2022-04-08 20:58:29	grtcdr	Hey guys, I'm struggling to set up Emacs' lsp-mode with phpactor installed on a remote machine. I'm making use of TRAMP to access the remote machine's filesystem, and I'm hoping to get LSP working. I am on Arch Linux if that's of any relevance. Why haven't I asked in #emacs? They haven't responded.
2022-04-08 20:59:05	vvn	MacGyver: that's it? I was waiting for the catastrophic part!
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2022-04-08 20:59:29	MacGyver	vvn: The catastrophic part would be not getting 512 bits of randomness and not setting the entire 512 bits as keyslot key.
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2022-04-08 20:59:57	MacGyver	vvn: I assume you store the key you're currently using somewhere on-disk anyway?
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2022-04-08 21:00:10	vvn	MacGyver: so what matters is using a 512-bit key?
2022-04-08 21:00:17	vvn	MacGyver: true
2022-04-08 21:00:33	MacGyver	vvn: Yes. Or rather, a key *at least as long* as the total amount of key material LUKS ends up using.
2022-04-08 21:01:17	MacGyver	vvn: If this device gets stolen, however, *obviously* it's trivial to decrypt in any case.
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2022-04-08 21:01:50	MacGyver	vvn: But there's nothing to be gained using a key stretching algorithm if the key is stored on-disk for unlocking anyway.
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2022-04-08 21:02:30	MacGyver	vvn: The whole point of PBKDF and friends is to make it hard to unlock the actual encryption keys from bad passphrases.
2022-04-08 21:02:55	MacGyver	vvn: By taking 512 bits of actual randomness *as* the passphrase, PBKDF is no longer necessary.
2022-04-08 21:03:17	vvn	MacGyver: but I'm more concerned about the option I must use on the host to generate a encrypted partition that can be unlocked fast on the target.
2022-04-08 21:03:55	vvn	MacGyver: ha! so if I understand you correctly, I must use a 512-bit key and drop the --pbkdf pbkdf2 option on the host side.
2022-04-08 21:04:24	vvn	MacGyver: so far aes-xts gives the best performance on the target. Should I enforce it on the host side?
2022-04-08 21:05:30	MacGyver	vvn: --pbkdf PBKDF2 --pbkdf-force-iterations 1 
2022-04-08 21:05:51	MacGyver	You *must* give it a PBKDF spec, LUKS doesn'
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2022-04-08 21:06:02	MacGyver	You *must* give it a PBKDF spec, LUKS doesn't allow the option of *not* having *any* key derivation.
2022-04-08 21:06:15	MacGyver	But you can force that spec to be a trivial computation.
2022-04-08 21:06:25	vvn	perfect
2022-04-08 21:07:04	vvn	MacGyver: so that's a sane target-agnostic default for the host-side I presume. I do not need to bother using aes-xts on the host-side?
2022-04-08 21:07:05	MacGyver	And yes, you should probably also enforce AES-XTS on the host side, but make sure to use aes-xts-plain64.
2022-04-08 21:07:30	MacGyver	Though I believe that's what LUKS defaults to *anyway*.
2022-04-08 21:07:51	vvn	the target has a omap_aes_driver module
2022-04-08 21:08:03	vvn	(hence the faster ... decryption?)
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2022-04-08 21:09:06	MacGyver	It's possible it has an AES accelerator module, that's quite common nowadays.
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2022-04-08 21:09:07	vvn	I'll test with --pbkdf PBKDF2 --pbkdf-force-iterations 1 only first as it is target-agnostic, and will keep it as it if I have modest perf
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2022-04-08 21:09:54	MacGyver	Also check whether it defaults to 512-bit keys for aes-xts-plain64. You can check with cryptsetup luksDump, and look at what MK bits lists.
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2022-04-08 21:10:44	vvn	ok let me encrypt a partition on the target with default options first 
2022-04-08 21:11:00	vvn	(as a mandatory step to get this information I presume)
2022-04-08 21:11:15	MacGyver	(If that is not performant enough, you can drop to 256 bits for the master key, but NOT to 128 bits)
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2022-04-08 21:11:35	MacGyver	(I don't think LUKS will let you, anyway)
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2022-04-08 21:13:08	vvn	Luks Kywalker will tell me
2022-04-08 21:13:10	vvn	:-/
2022-04-08 21:13:32	⚡ 	vvn *sigh*
2022-04-08 21:13:53	MacGyver	(cryptsetup has a plain mode, i.e. without LUKS, that uses the key material directly, but LUKS takes care of more for you than just keyslots and the performance beyond unlocking is going to be the same, so you probably should stick to this workaround)
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2022-04-08 21:14:16	another|	MacGyver: cryptsetup has quite good defaults nowadays. --help will tell you
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2022-04-08 21:14:36	MacGyver	another|: As in, dm-crypt plain no-LUKS defaults?
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2022-04-08 21:19:25	vvn	MacGyver: I have redundant boot slots so LUKS is great to maintain 2 key slots and revoke one or the other when necessary
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2022-04-08 21:19:26	another|	MacGyver: no. but see for yourself
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2022-04-08 21:19:26	MacGyver	another|: Then that's not interesting because the whole point of this discussion is that the defaults aren't necessarily okay for the system being targeted.
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2022-04-08 21:19:26	another|	Since the container is presumably built on an Arch, most defaults should be quite okay. e.g. aes-xts-plain64, 512bit, etc.
2022-04-08 21:19:26	another|	But of course, it doesn't hurt to specify explicitly
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2022-04-08 21:31:23	MacGyver	another|: Right, good point. Yeah, it's been a while since they switched to -plain64 with 512-bit keys by default.
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2022-04-08 21:50:08	jirido	Does anyone know if it is possible to make GPicView zoom in from the center rather than from the upper left corner?
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2022-04-08 21:50:38	jirido	I look at NASA pics of galaxys
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2022-04-08 21:53:43	Danilo82	coning back to this, i tried -Syyu and still got nothing
2022-04-08 21:53:58	Danilo82	Worldwide server, Brazilian and US servers
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2022-04-08 22:01:25	demize	gnaggnoyil: None.  It's disabled by default, and we don't enable it.  All it does is `uname -m`.
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2022-04-08 22:03:03	Namarrgon	Danilo82: what is the first mirror in the mirrorlist?
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2022-04-08 22:03:39	another|	gnaggnoyil: `uname -m`
2022-04-08 22:03:52	Danilo82	fcix.net
2022-04-08 22:04:09	Danilo82	the list i am using was generated today
2022-04-08 22:04:10	another|	demize: beat me to it
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2022-04-08 22:06:21	gnaggnoyil	demize: So is it safe to add an alias `arch=uname -m` in user's profile? I have a software that will execute `arch` command at launch so I acutally need that.
2022-04-08 22:06:28	Namarrgon	Danilo82: post the pacman --debug -Syu output to a paste service
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2022-04-08 22:08:20	Carbon_Monoxide	thrice: I am trying to read build log. I am using an AUR package but I found the PKGBUILD is not working. I'm now trying to fix it.
2022-04-08 22:09:32	rcf	gnaggnoyil: ideally you modify the software to call uname -m; if it's not a script (or at least one you control) you may need a dummy `arch` somewhere in $PATH that just calls `uname -m`  to make exec() work properly, rather than just an alias. 
2022-04-08 22:10:20	demize	gnaggnoyil: What software is it?
2022-04-08 22:10:39	demize	It's strange to find anything that would use what's essentially a wrapper that has never been enabled by default.
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2022-04-08 22:14:49	gnaggnoyil	demize: Xilinx Vitis HLS
2022-04-08 22:15:06	Danilo82	a bunch of shit
2022-04-08 22:15:18	demize	Oof.
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2022-04-08 22:15:20	gnaggnoyil	demize: AFAIK it calls `arch` command not in some script, but probably in some binary code
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2022-04-08 22:16:14	rcf	demize: it ends up being a bit like `hostname` in that regard. Except easier to enable in coreutils, rather than separate it out from the outdated inetutils as I think debian does for `hostname`
2022-04-08 22:16:20	another|	gnaggnoyil: https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils/blob/master/src/uname.c#L208
2022-04-08 22:16:23	demize	Anyway, simplest solution would be to either write a wrapper script calling `uname -m`, or if you have busybox you can just symlink it to arch.  Strange anyway.
2022-04-08 22:16:52	demize	rcf: At least hostname is a widely available command, arch isn't.  :p
2022-04-08 22:16:54	phaise	Does wayland work with nvidia driver now in any compositor?
2022-04-08 22:16:57	moldorcoder7	hi is b2sum removed from arch . or was it even included ? ic cant build mongo-compass from aur as it says it is missing
2022-04-08 22:17:08	moldorcoder7	if not wrong this is a coreutils bin no ?
2022-04-08 22:17:11	gnaggnoyil	rcf: Yeah maybe you are right. I could make a script called `arch` to do so. I may even write a PKGBUILD so I can let pacman to help me manage that.
2022-04-08 22:17:22	demize	If this was a decade or two ago and something tried to run arch, I would have guessed for GNU arch over the arch from coreutils.
2022-04-08 22:17:51	Namarrgon	moldorcoder7: what are you building and what is the exact output?
2022-04-08 22:18:00	Namarrgon	ah, mongo-compass
2022-04-08 22:18:51	moldorcoder7	Namarrgon, yes it requires b2sum, dunno looks like this bin doesnt exists anymore
2022-04-08 22:19:00	rcf	gnaggnoyil: in that case a two-line script with the customary "#!/bin/sh" followed by "uname -m" will do what you want. I just install such things as part of my dotfiles, in $HOME/.bin or $HOME/.local/bin or wherever you prefer to put such hacks. 
2022-04-08 22:19:07	Namarrgon	moldorcoder7: pacman -Qkk coreutils
2022-04-08 22:19:29	rcf	gnaggnoyil: in this case the dotfile route will always work because uname -m is POSIX
2022-04-08 22:19:30	another|	moldorcoder7: b2sum is part of coreutils
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2022-04-08 22:20:21	moldorcoder7	weird looks like it is missing from my system : https://bpa.st/ZWTQ
2022-04-08 22:20:21	phrik	Title: View paste ZWTQ (at bpa.st)
2022-04-08 22:20:29	moldorcoder7	ill reinstall coreutils then
2022-04-08 22:20:50	Namarrgon	check the rest of the system, too
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2022-04-08 22:22:10	moldorcoder7	ok
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2022-04-09 21:03:55	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-04-09 21:03:55	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1496 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1495 normals)
2022-04-09 20:00:52	rcf	I can assure you that they have, though I don't know how they fixed it 
2022-04-09 20:02:11	rcf	In one case I think just disabling the font entirely worked 
2022-04-09 20:04:25	apreiml	rcf: Do you mean disabling the sans font? Or how do you mean this?
2022-04-09 20:04:48	rcf	Disabling the particular sans font which seemed to bypass all normal configuration 
2022-04-09 20:09:58	apreiml	rcf: Awesome! That really worked. Thanks a lot. I was already going nuts about this :)
2022-04-09 20:51:09	diabonas	artefact: in order to build tpm2-totp master, you need to install autoconf-archive, or use the tpm2-totp-git AUR package which does that for you
2022-04-09 20:51:36	artefact	ah, thank you, i'll try this
2022-04-09 21:00:27	artefact	it built, thanks diabonas. should have looked more closely at the -git deps
2022-04-09 21:03:55	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-09 21:11:43	TheDcoder	phaise: I just wanted them to go to a more helpful place, I didn't think they would get a quick and insightful answer here. The #c community is very active here so it would be a better place to enquire
2022-04-09 21:12:01	TheDcoder	teraflops: Except in #c :P
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2022-04-09 21:12:17	TheDcoder	and #linux-dev maybe
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2022-04-09 21:18:59	uncountable	Hi everyone,  it seems like pacman did not correctly upgrade while running a system upgrade today.  I was upgrading to pacman version 6.0.1-7.  It looked like the upgrade was going fine until the end, and I was getting `vercmp` command not found errors.  Now, I do not have `pacman` binary installed.  Here is the pastebin for the output of the `pacman -Syu` command https://pastebin.com/kQ9wZ3fz. 
2022-04-09 21:18:59	uncountable	You can see the errors not long after "(61
2022-04-09 21:18:59	uncountable	/72) upgrading pacman" .
2022-04-09 21:19:00	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oblE.txt
2022-04-09 21:19:09	uncountable	I'm guessing I should just boot an install USB and reinstall pacman?  Is there any noticeable reason why this occured though?
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2022-04-09 21:21:12	uncountable	I do still have pacman version 6.0.1-7 in /var/cache/pacman/pkg
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2022-04-09 21:22:58	TheDcoder	uh oh, how did that happen?
2022-04-09 21:23:22	TheDcoder	uncountable: You can try manually extracting the contents of the package to reinstall pacman
2022-04-09 21:23:28	uncountable	I have no idea.
2022-04-09 21:23:39	TheDcoder	Or there's a static version of pacman that you can download and run directly
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2022-04-09 21:23:56	uncountable	oh cool okay
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2022-04-09 21:24:27	TheDcoder	uncountable: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Manually_reinstalling_pacman
2022-04-09 21:24:28	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-04-09 21:26:04	TheDcoder	uncountable: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/pacman-static#comment-852937
2022-04-09 21:26:07	uncountable	I noticed that the wiki mentions that this can happen when you symlink /var/cache/pacman/pkg, but I've never done that so it puzzles me why this happened
2022-04-09 21:26:09	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - pacman-static (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-04-09 21:26:39	TheDcoder	I'm puzzled too, but focus on getting a working pacman on your system first
2022-04-09 21:26:47	uncountable	Thanks!  So it is safe to download and run that precompiled binary
2022-04-09 21:26:49	TheDcoder	you can investigate the issue later
2022-04-09 21:26:52	TheDcoder	Yes
2022-04-09 21:26:54	uncountable	Yeah
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2022-04-09 21:27:30	TheDcoder	I think it's hosted by a TU
2022-04-09 21:27:42	uncountable	cool
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2022-04-09 21:29:07	TheDcoder	lol, the PKGBUILD for pacman-static possibly lists all actively used architectures under the sun: arch=('i486' 'i686' 'pentium4' 'x86_64' 'arm' 'armv6h' 'armv7h' 'aarch64')
2022-04-09 21:29:40	uncountable	haha nice
2022-04-09 21:30:23	Furai	Didn't wiki at one point recommend live booting and recovering the pacman this way over using the static lib? 
2022-04-09 21:30:41	TheDcoder	Wouldn't this be true for all self-compiled programs though? Maybe makepkg should support a special arch to denote that the native architecture will be built
2022-04-09 21:30:50	uncountable	so can I just do `sudo pacman-static -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/pacman-6.0.1-7-...pkg.tar.zst`
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2022-04-09 21:31:19	TheDcoder	Furai: I think that's if you can't boot into your system, or can't use it due to corrupt userland
2022-04-09 21:31:28	TheDcoder	uncountable: That could work
2022-04-09 21:31:46	TheDcoder	or maybe you can just try pacman-static -Syu
2022-04-09 21:32:14	Furai	Hmm, I think around 2 months ago my brother run into similar issue with pacman and back then there were no static pacman at all avialable.
2022-04-09 21:32:28	jonathon	pacman-static has been available for years
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2022-04-09 21:33:03	Furai	Mkey, then maybe I've misread the the wiki or there were no ready compiled bin files available at the time.
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2022-04-09 21:33:16	jonathon	pacman is at 6.0.1-4, where is 6.0.1-7 coming from?
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2022-04-09 21:33:43	TheDcoder	the last bit is specific to the build, I don't think it's part of the version
2022-04-09 21:33:43	uncountable	Yes, that is the problem.  
2022-04-09 21:33:57	TheDcoder	I think it's called the revision number
2022-04-09 21:34:10	mpan	Which is included in the official Arch packages.
2022-04-09 21:34:37	TheDcoder	Oh
2022-04-09 21:34:38	uncountable	I was trying to install devkitPro https://devkitpro.org/wiki/devkitPro_pacman
2022-04-09 21:34:39	TheDcoder	nice catch
2022-04-09 21:34:44	phrik	Title: devkitPro pacman - devkitPro (at devkitpro.org)
2022-04-09 21:34:56	TheDcoder	uncountable: Are you using Manjaro?
2022-04-09 21:34:58	uncountable	I did not think the developer would include pacman there
2022-04-09 21:35:00	mpan	Are you, by any chance, using something other than Arch or installed non-official builds?
2022-04-09 21:35:08	uncountable	No I am using arch
2022-04-09 21:35:17	TheDcoder	uname -a?
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2022-04-09 21:35:37	uncountable	Linux premouse 5.17.1-arch1-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon, 28 Mar 2022 20:55:33 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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2022-04-09 21:36:26	mpan	But that pacman is clearly not from Arch. Or you have substituted official pacman with some third-party build.
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2022-04-09 21:36:57	TheDcoder	Or one of the mirrors could be poisoning
2022-04-09 21:37:10	TheDcoder	uncountable: check your mirrorlist and maybe refresh it
2022-04-09 21:37:32	uncountable	Yeah, I added the mirrorlist from devkitPro, and that was the problem
2022-04-09 21:37:45	jelle	what the hell is devkitPro?
2022-04-09 21:37:46	TheDcoder	...
2022-04-09 21:38:08	TheDcoder	jelle: It's a dev kit for pros ;)
2022-04-09 21:38:15	mpan	Well, here is your problem. You are using a non-Arch mirror.
2022-04-09 21:38:16	uncountable	Haha, its for homebrew development on GBA/DS etc
2022-04-09 21:38:22	uncountable	yeah
2022-04-09 21:38:30	mpan	(which overwrites official Arch packages, to be precise)
2022-04-09 21:38:34	uncountable	I have removed it from mirrorlist
2022-04-09 21:38:35	TheDcoder	then why the hell is it shipping pacman?
2022-04-09 21:38:41	uncountable	I don't know
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2022-04-09 21:38:51	uncountable	But anyway how can i force reinstall from the current mirrors?
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2022-04-09 21:39:20	TheDcoder	I suggest you read the wiki, that should give you a complete picture
2022-04-09 21:39:31	jonathon	apparently it uses pacman for other distros (gentoo, fedora...) and puts its packages under /opt/; seems like the repos should go _under_ the main repos on an arch install so it doesn't override arch packages
2022-04-09 21:39:58	TheDcoder	jonathon: That's interesting
2022-04-09 21:40:11	TheDcoder	So it isn't trying to override native arch toolchain then
2022-04-09 21:40:13	uncountable	Yeah, I accidentally put it at the top.  I wish it had said in the instructions to place it at the bottom 
2022-04-09 21:40:30	TheDcoder	uncountable: It shouldn't matter AFAIK
2022-04-09 21:40:34	uncountable	I just assumed pacman would not be included there which was stupid of me
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2022-04-09 21:40:56	TheDcoder	pacman checks all repos
2022-04-09 21:41:10	TheDcoder	it doesn't matter where you put it
2022-04-09 21:41:20	uncountable	@TheDcoder hmm, that's what I was thinking.  So it would always be a problem having pacman in that devkitPro repos.  I don't understand why they did that then
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2022-04-09 21:41:29	jonathon	it would be nice if they'd make their repos browsable, then people would know exactly what was in them without having to add them to their system... :/
2022-04-09 21:41:33	Namarrgon	TheDcoder: the order of the repos matters
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2022-04-09 21:41:43	TheDcoder	uncountable: I suspect their package doesn't install into /usr/bin
2022-04-09 21:41:45	Namarrgon	pacman will stop looking at the first match
2022-04-09 21:41:51	TheDcoder	Don't install anything from the cache
2022-04-09 21:42:12	TheDcoder	Namarrgon: Even if one provides an updated package?
2022-04-09 21:42:17	mpan	Looking in the package, it’s indeed in “/opt”, so — if it’s getting called — it’s because you added the relevant directory to your PATH. So removing that should be enough. But it’s pretty hard to tell, what kind of havoc it caused in the system.
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2022-04-09 21:42:48	Namarrgon	why do they package pacman for arch at all?
2022-04-09 21:43:07	mpan	No idea, but at least it is not overriding the default one.
2022-04-09 21:43:33	uncountable	Yeah, that's right I do have a pacman binary in /opt/devkitpro.  But installing that removed the system pacman
2022-04-09 21:43:37	jonathon	looks like they use the same repos for all platforms, so provide pacman for mac and windows too... xD
2022-04-09 21:43:45	TheDcoder	Namarrgon: to make sure that it works with their toolchain I guess, they can't really rely on pacman always working as intended
2022-04-09 21:43:46	Namarrgon	that's insane
2022-04-09 21:43:54	mpan	But they also offer a bunch of other packages too, which seem to override official Arch packages. And that could cuase issues.
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2022-04-09 21:44:37	TheDcoder	MSYS2 on Windows uses pacman too
2022-04-09 21:44:46	uncountable	Ok that's good to know.  So I think I will remove all of it and try and install it in a VM
2022-04-09 21:44:51	mpan	TheDcoder: but Windows doesn’t have native pacman.
2022-04-09 21:45:11	TheDcoder	I've actually used that before even trying arch
2022-04-09 21:45:23	TheDcoder	mpan: It's a port, just like many other *nix packages in MSYS2
2022-04-09 21:45:34	jonathon	mpan: that's the it's in the devkitpro repo
2022-04-09 21:45:46	jonathon	s/the/why/
2022-04-09 21:46:02	mpan	jonathon: we are talking about that being in Arch.
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2022-04-09 21:46:35	jonathon	yes - it's the same repos shared by all platforms. it's kind of clever in a way, just not when you put them above official repos in Arch
2022-04-09 21:46:39	uncountable	So, can I do `pacman-static -Qnq | pacman -S -` to reinstall from only the Arch repos (I have removed devkitPro repos from mirrorlist)
2022-04-09 21:46:42	TheDcoder	mpan: I am guessing they confused the instructions for Windows and actually changed the system mirrorlist
2022-04-09 21:47:20	mpan	uncountable: what is the mirror you used? The exact URL.
2022-04-09 21:47:25	mpan	(the one in the linked Wiki is giving 404)
2022-04-09 21:47:37	TheDcoder	jonathon: How's that possible? Linux and Windows use different executable formats, and they have a different API too.
2022-04-09 21:47:48	damjan	uncountable: reinstall pacman with pacman-static
2022-04-09 21:47:54	damjan	then run pacman -Qkk
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2022-04-09 21:47:58	uncountable	Hmm, I copied the two mirrors listed in the wiki and there was no problem with syncing
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2022-04-09 21:48:16	mpan	damjan: how would that detect issues, if the local database already contains invalid packages installed?
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2022-04-09 21:48:26	mpan	uncountable: ok, what is the exact URL you use?
2022-04-09 21:48:26	damjan	uncountable: also, use a nspawn container when breaking your system in the future :)
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2022-04-09 21:49:12	mpan	uncountable: my goal here is to detect, what could have been overriden to replace only those packages.
2022-04-09 21:49:22	uncountable	ok I see
2022-04-09 21:49:25	uncountable	that would be the best
2022-04-09 21:49:40	TheDcoder	Looks like devkitPro doesn't support Arch as a distro, lmao
2022-04-09 21:49:49	mpan	Blindly reinstalling the whole system will cause issues later, because all dependencies will be installed as explicit.
2022-04-09 21:49:55	uncountable	@damjan: never heard of nspawn, but that looks interesting.  
2022-04-09 21:50:07	uncountable	@mpan: ok, thank you!
2022-04-09 21:50:07	TheDcoder	their install instructions mention installing pacman and setting up their own repos
2022-04-09 21:50:24	TheDcoder	on non-Arch distros like Fedora
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2022-04-09 21:50:50	jonathon	TheDcoder: it does support Arch, you just shouldn't override repo packages with their repo
2022-04-09 21:50:58	uncountable	but then on the wiki under "Customizing Existing Pacman Install" it says used for systems like Arch
2022-04-09 21:50:59	TheDcoder	This approach is fundamentally incompatible with a Arch system unless they use different package names
2022-04-09 21:51:10	mpan	I mean: it would probably fix it for now, but then you completely lose information about packages installed as dependencies. So you can’t uninstall them when no longer needed with -Rs or detect them with -Qd.
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2022-04-09 21:51:47	uncountable	@mpan: how can I check which repo a package came from?
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2022-04-09 21:52:10	mion	uncountable: pacman doesn't actually track that
2022-04-09 21:52:13	mpan	That devkitPro repo seems to contain only a small number of packages. So that can be checked/fixed manually.
2022-04-09 21:52:14	jonathon	mpan: reinstalling packages doesn't lose dependency info (very nice pacman feature)
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2022-04-09 21:52:23	TheDcoder	jonathon: Ah... okay, but they why are they conflicting package names?
2022-04-09 21:52:30	uncountable	Ok cool
2022-04-09 21:52:34	TheDcoder	s/they/then
2022-04-09 21:52:43	mpan	jonathon: huh? Packages installed as deps remain deps when explicitly installed with -S?
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2022-04-09 21:52:57	mion	correct
2022-04-09 21:53:00	mpan	uncountable: ok, ignore me then. No need for that (see jonathon’s comment).
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2022-04-09 21:53:06	damjan	pacman -Qm can show "foreign" packages too (AUR ones too)
2022-04-09 21:53:21	mion	you can explicitly change the reason using -D though
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2022-04-09 21:53:52	TheDcoder	or you can use -S --asdeps or --asexplicit
2022-04-09 21:54:01	mpan	Yeah, but manually changing that for all packages would be cumbersome. In particular if you do not know the original value. So I found it simpler to simply look at what devkitPro offers (seems like two dozen packages) and manually fix things.
2022-04-09 21:54:16	mion	if you just want to change the reason, no need to go trough the trouble to actually reinstall it
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2022-04-09 21:54:24	mpan	But, as jonathon and mion said, it seems `pacman -S` already retains the installation reason for reinstalls.
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2022-04-09 21:54:44	TheDcoder	mion: Right, I was talking about setting the reason while installing
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2022-04-09 21:55:58	mpan	(and yes, it does; just checked)
2022-04-09 21:56:03	uncountable	Thank you all for all the help, I really appreciate it.   I think I kinda lost the thread.  Should I go through the packages that came from devkitPro and reinstall them with pacman-static?
2022-04-09 21:56:30	TheDcoder	No, use static only to fix your system
2022-04-09 21:56:40	TheDcoder	then use system pacman for everything else
2022-04-09 21:57:16	TheDcoder	fix your system here is equal to fixing pacman
2022-04-09 21:57:18	◣	arthur_melo (~IRC@user/arthur-melo/x-6822691) ha salido ()
2022-04-09 21:57:35	TheDcoder	so do that until you get a usable pacman -Syu
2022-04-09 21:58:00	uncountable	So just have pacman-static reinstall pacman.  Then do pacman -Syu, ok sounds good
2022-04-09 21:58:10	jonathon	(it's irrelevant whether you use pacman-static or the system pacman from core - they use the same configuration file and operate in the same way)
2022-04-09 21:58:12	mpan	And, possibly, some pacman dependencies too.
2022-04-09 21:58:15	diabonas	np :)
2022-04-09 21:58:18	TheDcoder	don't forget to remove the repo
2022-04-09 21:58:29	jonathon	or just move it below the main repos
2022-04-09 21:58:51	TheDcoder	jonathon: we don't have to take a risk, who knows what the static version is doing, it's not the same as official pacman
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2022-04-09 21:59:12	jonathon	assuming they bumped the pkgrel for any packages with the same name a pacman -Syuu should return things to the correct repo versions
2022-04-09 21:59:29	jonathon	TheDcoder: do you know who maintains the static version?
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2022-04-09 21:59:42	jonathon	(hint: it's a TU)
2022-04-09 21:59:50	TheDcoder	jonathon: I am just saying, it shouldn't matter much
2022-04-09 22:00:29	TheDcoder	It's a bit like the advice for gun safety, it's always a good idea to follow it, even though you know there's no bullet in there ;)
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2022-04-09 22:00:40	uncountable	Great, thank you.  pacman is installed with pacman static. And running pacman -Syuu didn't need to do anything.  I didn't explicitly install anything from the devkitPro repos yet, so I think that makes sense
2022-04-09 22:00:44	mpan	But in this case this is the very same pacman, just built statically.
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2022-04-09 22:01:13	TheDcoder	mpan: Is the pre-compiled binary up to date?
2022-04-09 22:01:19	mpan	Yes
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2022-04-09 22:01:47	TheDcoder	Good, though it may not be at all times. My point is no one should rely on the static version anymore than they have to
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2022-04-09 22:02:01	mpan	It’s literally the same version, usually dependencies included, as the official pacman. Just statically built by a TU.
2022-04-09 22:02:14	jonathon	the static version will always work because it's statically linked
2022-04-09 22:02:21	TheDcoder	Yes, I am aware
2022-04-09 22:02:22	jonathon	that's kind of the point
2022-04-09 22:02:32	uncountable	Thank you all so much for the help!  
2022-04-09 22:02:46	TheDcoder	jonathon: that doesn't mean you should start using it for everything though
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2022-04-09 22:03:16	TheDcoder	some "smart" users can decide to just copy that to /usr/bin instead of actually fixing pacman
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2022-04-09 22:03:35	TheDcoder	recommending users to keep using it sets a bad precedent
2022-04-09 22:03:41	◣	yhndnzj (~yhndnzj@user/yhndnzj) ha salido (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2022-04-09 22:03:45	mpan	The binary is called `pacman-static`, so they would not hurt themselves either. :)
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2022-04-09 22:04:14	mpan	Anyway, seems like TGN to me.
2022-04-09 22:04:19	TheDcoder	that doesn't stop certain "smart" people from doing cp pacman-static /usr/bin/pacman
2022-04-09 22:04:47	uncountable	So, is it worth it to risk it and place the devkitPro's repos below the main arch repos to install the homebrew toolchains locally?  Or should I  use nspawn like damjan recommended or some other virtualization method?
2022-04-09 22:05:09	mpan	Use nspawn. Separate that into a container.
2022-04-09 22:05:17	mpan	(nspawn or any other container)
2022-04-09 22:05:19	jonathon	they have their own docker containers, too
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2022-04-09 22:05:45	uncountable	Oh, I didn't notice that. Cool
2022-04-09 22:06:40	TheDcoder	mpan: what does TGN mean btw?
2022-04-09 22:07:13	uncountable	Thank you all again for the help.
2022-04-09 22:07:47	◣	heat (~heat@sortix/contributor/heat) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-04-09 22:08:14	mpan	TheDcoder: Topic Going Nowhere
2022-04-09 22:08:32	TheDcoder	Ah, I see
2022-04-09 22:08:55	TheDcoder	Couldn't find that one in UrbDic
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2022-04-09 22:11:32	Baphomet	Heyy, is there any 2fa code generator package in the official repositories? 
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2022-04-09 22:12:37	BrainDamage	oath-toolkit
2022-04-09 22:12:37	Baphomet	I thought about using oathkeeper, but I cannot find it as package... I'd prefer not to use aur for that
2022-04-09 22:12:47	Baphomet	Ohhh, thanks BrainDamage 
2022-04-09 22:13:32	Baphomet	I guess I was searching for the wrong package name
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2022-04-09 22:26:55	ℹ 	brenix739 es conocido ahora como brenix73
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2022-04-09 22:34:08	Arsimael	Anyone here familiar with Wayland?
2022-04-09 22:34:17	Arsimael	Plasma on wayland to be specific
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2022-04-09 22:36:57	another|	Anybody know where I can ask meta-questions?
2022-04-09 22:37:11	grym	you just did!
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2022-04-09 22:40:10	another|	So do you know it? /s
2022-04-09 22:40:51	gehidore	try offtopic?
2022-04-09 22:41:37	◥	luka_33 (~root@ics145-33.icsincorporated.com) has joined #archlinux
2022-04-09 22:42:49	luka_33	Question: i3, when launched not using root privledges freezes at the META select screen, and the computer ceases taking input from the keyboard, necessitating a hard reboot.
2022-04-09 22:43:10	luka_33	When launched with root however it works fine.
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2022-04-09 22:45:03	ak7483	Hey guys! This is probably a stupid question but where can find raspberry pi arch image?
2022-04-09 22:45:24	ak7483	I cannot find on arch site or raspberry pi site.
2022-04-09 22:45:32	gehidore	!give ak7483 alarm
2022-04-09 22:45:33	phrik	ak7483: If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
2022-04-09 22:45:51	ak7483	@phrik ok, thanks.
2022-04-09 22:45:52	BrainDamage	alarm is also not arch linux, it's a different distro
2022-04-09 22:46:06	BrainDamage	phrik: give ak7483 bot
2022-04-09 22:46:06	phrik	ak7483: I'm a bot! ~does the binary solo~ 00001 000011 0000111
2022-04-09 22:46:15	BrainDamage	!turing-test-passed
2022-04-09 22:46:16	⚡ 	phrik got one step closer to world domination
2022-04-09 22:46:54	ak7483	It's been years since I've used irc so I have no idea what is going on.
2022-04-09 22:47:00	ak7483	but thanks anyway :D
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2022-04-10 11:20:09	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-10 13:49:13	thrice	well, if it's in an article online, it's gotta be true
2022-04-10 13:49:48	Earnestly	I've seen that sentence enough to wonder if I should add it to the list of NPC phrases I have
2022-04-10 13:50:01	Earnestly	I don't even understand why or how it was prompted
2022-04-10 13:50:33	thrice	well, perhaps you have more admin experience than I
2022-04-10 13:51:01	Earnestly	How is that even related to point?  What
2022-04-10 13:51:07	thrice	but, the expression makes sense to me.  Not from an instability standpoint - I find arch quite stable.  But that it would inevitably require more work, which is usually something I'm not interested in
2022-04-10 13:51:20	Earnestly	> the article's conclusion was...
2022-04-10 13:51:25	thrice	because you're saying "I don't have any experience with this, but I've read an article"
2022-04-10 13:51:27	Earnestly	> oh it's online, it must be true
2022-04-10 13:51:29	Earnestly	What
2022-04-10 13:51:44	jelle	Earnestly: relax
2022-04-10 13:51:47	Earnestly	thrice: Where did "I don't have any exp" come from?
2022-04-10 13:52:03	thrice	nvm, I don't have the energy to argue with you, it never works out :)
2022-04-10 13:52:21	Earnestly	Me summarising an article that I read is somehow impuing some credability on my part?  Why the hostility?
2022-04-10 13:52:41	thrice	no hostility
2022-04-10 13:52:55	thrice	I don't think you realize how defensive you become at times
2022-04-10 13:53:09	thrice	but really, sorry if I set you off, I'll stop
2022-04-10 13:53:51	Earnestly	But I am being defensive, I know I'm being defensive.  I'm trying to figure out why you decided to attack me with such aggression
2022-04-10 13:54:40	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-10 13:55:14	jelle	I fail to see the aggression here...
2022-04-10 13:56:15	Earnestly	jelle: I wasn't asking for a third party view of the situation.  Responding with hostile sarcasm to something I thought he agreed with in principle was uncalled for and completely out of the blue
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2022-04-10 13:56:57	jelle	Earnestly: dude
2022-04-10 13:57:06	jelle	Earnestly: thrice apologized, just let it be
2022-04-10 13:57:21	Earnestly	jelle: "Sorry if I set you off" is an apology?
2022-04-10 13:57:44	Earnestly	I know you're biased against me, always have been, but that's pretty low
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2022-04-10 13:58:46	jelle	Earnestly: no, I am only asking you to cool down a bit
2022-04-10 14:00:08	Earnestly	jelle: Why though?
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2022-04-10 14:03:03	jelle	I'm trying to save you from wasting your own energy but nvm
2022-04-10 14:03:12	Earnestly	For my own good?
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2022-04-10 14:04:19	Earnestly	jelle: Besides, this isn't about you anyway, and it seems you've successfully prevented in remission
2022-04-10 14:04:48	⚡ 	jelle facepalms
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2022-04-10 17:18:15	phanter	Hi. Just made a grave mistake... by deleting the wrong folder. So I deleted the /var folder. My machine still boots and workst *mostly*, but (especially) pacman is broken. Anyone with any idea how to get pacman working again?
2022-04-10 17:20:01	thrice	so, no experience personally, but I've heard of some having success using the log:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Restore_local_database
2022-04-10 17:20:03	phrik	Title: pacman/Restore local database - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-10 17:20:18	thrice	oh wait, /var/log/ is gone too
2022-04-10 17:20:23	BrainDamage	the log is in var
2022-04-10 17:20:28	phanter	yes /var/log is gone :-(
2022-04-10 17:21:04	BrainDamage	dumb idea: run a script that runs pacman -Qo on all the binaries in /usr/bin, deduplicates, and reinstall
2022-04-10 17:21:22	BrainDamage	repeat that for /usr/lib, /usr/share, etc
2022-04-10 17:21:31	BrainDamage	you'll lose the explicit / deps information
2022-04-10 17:21:36	phanter	The problem is not so much reinstallation (pacman --overwrite /* will do the trick), but to get a working pacman again
2022-04-10 17:21:54	BrainDamage	pacman-static
2022-04-10 17:22:20	demize	BrainDamage: They deleted their pacman db.  :p
2022-04-10 17:22:24	BrainDamage	you can also pacstrap from the iso, or use the different root
2022-04-10 17:22:27	thrice	yeah, no db th reference
2022-04-10 17:22:37	BrainDamage	demize: that's just a -Sy
2022-04-10 17:22:40	phanter	!paste
2022-04-10 17:22:40	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-04-10 17:22:48	demize	BrainDamage: That won't bring back the local DB.
2022-04-10 17:22:49	thrice	I'm guessing pacman is complaining
2022-04-10 17:23:06	BrainDamage	demize: see the previous messages from me how to reconstruct it partially
2022-04-10 17:23:14	phanter	Nope, it is this" https://bpa.st/A7NA
2022-04-10 17:23:14	phrik	Title: View paste A7NA (at bpa.st)
2022-04-10 17:23:27	demize	If you don't have a local DB, no package owns the binaries, so -Qo won't give you anything.
2022-04-10 17:23:40	BrainDamage	ah, then -F
2022-04-10 17:23:49	BrainDamage	still doable
2022-04-10 17:24:02	thrice	possibly faster / safer / more accurate to reinstall
2022-04-10 17:24:45	phanter	I already tried to reboot with the install medium. Mount the partition. Try run pacstrap... However, pacstrap was complaining about existing files and trying to add --overwrite /* did not seem to work...
2022-04-10 17:25:22	phanter	Well... a reainstall sounds good... just that I have a working system now... and I will not have a working system during the reinstall...
2022-04-10 17:26:07	thrice	Yeah, but if your home is separate, and you generally know the packages you need, it can be back up and running within 20-30 minutes, especially if you can back-up configs to a separate partition
2022-04-10 17:26:32	phanter	hmm... that is a valid idea. So maybe I should copy my config folder over and restart...
2022-04-10 17:26:45	phanter	Oke, will do that... gives me a nice clean system :-(
2022-04-10 17:26:51	thrice	I mean, it's a last resort for sure, but at least for me, it would be way quicker than trying to go file-by-file through pacman -Fy, resorting explicit vs. auto deps, etc, and constantly fighting files you might have missed
2022-04-10 17:26:51	phanter	thanks!
2022-04-10 17:28:30	BrainDamage	the restoring pacman db is more of a temp step, you should still be reinstalling
2022-04-10 17:28:33	cc0a3hr	Guys I just freshly installed base Arch, want to do stuff with i3 but I can't find my .xintrc file
2022-04-10 17:28:45	BrainDamage	you create it
2022-04-10 17:28:45	cc0a3hr	where it is
2022-04-10 17:28:57	cc0a3hr	doesn't it comes default?
2022-04-10 17:29:28	motoko	cp /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc ~/.xinitrc
2022-04-10 17:29:31	BrainDamage	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xinit#xinitrc=
2022-04-10 17:29:32	phrik	Title: xinit - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-10 17:29:38	motoko	^
2022-04-10 17:30:36	cc0a3hr	THANKS!
2022-04-10 17:30:39	cc0a3hr	it just werks now
2022-04-10 17:31:53	LimeOn	Hello. Im trying to change the ownership of the .Trash folder but it keeps saying root instead of $USER
2022-04-10 17:32:01	LimeOn	Maybe there's something im missing
2022-04-10 17:32:15	LimeOn	im using this command: # chown $USER FOLDER
2022-04-10 17:32:35	LimeOn	But after that, it keeps telling me that owner is root, not $USER
2022-04-10 17:33:04	BrainDamage	that changes the folder alone, not the content
2022-04-10 17:33:09	BrainDamage	you might want to do it recursively
2022-04-10 17:33:25	LimeOn	I want to change the folder ownership
2022-04-10 17:33:31	LimeOn	Also tried with "-R"
2022-04-10 17:33:41	LimeOn	but subfolders tells me too root instead of user
2022-04-10 17:34:14	BrainDamage	then you didn't use -R
2022-04-10 17:34:32	BrainDamage	pastebin both your commands and ls -la's output
2022-04-10 17:36:45	LimeOn	https://bpa.st/2ZOA
2022-04-10 17:36:45	phrik	Title: View paste 2ZOA (at bpa.st)
2022-04-10 17:37:31	LimeOn	https://bpa.st/43BQ
2022-04-10 17:37:32	phrik	Title: View paste 43BQ (at bpa.st)
2022-04-10 17:37:39	LimeOn	I removed the others folder output
2022-04-10 17:38:06	LimeOn	ls -la is used afer the 2 commands from 1st paste
2022-04-10 17:38:16	Hello71	delete the /
2022-04-10 17:38:43	LimeOn	Same result :(
2022-04-10 17:39:04	LimeOn	I have to say that its a mounted partition, that asks me for password to mount
2022-04-10 17:39:13	LimeOn	(Where i have that folder)
2022-04-10 17:39:18	Hello71	is it actually a fat partition
2022-04-10 17:39:23	Hello71	s/partition/filesystem/
2022-04-10 17:39:53	LimeOn	is that a question?
2022-04-10 17:40:51	Scimmia	the question is *what* filesystem is that on?
2022-04-10 17:41:37	LimeOn	iir its ext4
2022-04-10 17:41:43	LimeOn	let me check
2022-04-10 17:42:07	LimeOn	Its ntfs
2022-04-10 17:42:35	Scimmia	and that's the problem
2022-04-10 17:42:53	LimeOn	i see
2022-04-10 17:43:18	LimeOn	Is there a solution for that?
2022-04-10 17:44:10	LimeOn	I mean, im trying to create the .Trash folder and make it work in the partition. I read that i have to change the ownership of the folder to the $USER to make it works
2022-04-10 17:45:04	BrainDamage	there's no ownership records on fat
2022-04-10 17:45:41	BrainDamage	or ntfs
2022-04-10 17:45:57	BrainDamage	so no matter what you try to change, it won't get written
2022-04-10 17:46:48	Warepire	LimeOn: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NTFS-3G (will give you some limited options if you MUST use ntfs), or if you don't need Windows to use that partition, re-format to something else.
2022-04-10 17:46:49	phrik	Title: NTFS-3G - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-10 17:47:14	Warepire	(and remember to save your files elsewhere as you re-format if you want to keep them)
2022-04-10 17:47:25	umaxtu-	aren't they in the process of implementing a decent ntfs driver instead of that hot mess?
2022-04-10 17:47:44	Warepire	Not that I have seen..
2022-04-10 17:47:55	LimeOn	But i remember that there were no problems in debian with that.
2022-04-10 17:48:00	LimeOn	I mean, the folder worked
2022-04-10 17:48:02	BrainDamage	either way, unless it's available, it's irrelevant to the discussion
2022-04-10 17:48:07	LimeOn	Maybe theres another may to make it
2022-04-10 17:48:12	LimeOn	That i'm missing
2022-04-10 17:48:18	LimeOn	way*
2022-04-10 17:48:20	BrainDamage	LimeOn: depends on who mounts it, vs who tries to access it
2022-04-10 17:48:29	BrainDamage	and what paramets are fed to mount
2022-04-10 17:48:43	LimeOn	its mounted by $USER
2022-04-10 17:49:00	umaxtu-	kernel version 5.15 switched to NTFS3 from 3g
2022-04-10 17:49:02	LimeOn	Should i try to mount it as root?
2022-04-10 17:49:13	Scimmia	umaxtu-: not switched, became available aslo
2022-04-10 17:49:14	Scimmia	also
2022-04-10 17:49:37	Scimmia	LimeOn: you *are* mounting it as root. That's why it asks for the password
2022-04-10 17:50:38	LimeOn	but it asks for user password, and not root password
2022-04-10 17:50:46	LimeOn	Also, the prompt says $USER, not root
2022-04-10 17:51:40	BrainDamage	asking for user pw is just sudo mechanism for auth
2022-04-10 17:52:05	BrainDamage	the program gets executed as root once sudo oks it
2022-04-10 17:52:12	LimeOn	Oh, i see
2022-04-10 17:52:32	BrainDamage	as evidenced also by the file ownership
2022-04-10 17:53:03	cc0a3hr	how can I set permanent resolution?
2022-04-10 17:53:06	cc0a3hr	I don't have de
2022-04-10 17:53:38	mion	xorg.conf.d or your wm config
2022-04-10 17:54:03	mion	or a custom edid
2022-04-10 17:54:13	mion	doesn't the screen use the native mode by default?
2022-04-10 17:54:59	cc0a3hr	it is 600x800 maybe
2022-04-10 17:55:37	BrainDamage	are you using a x server?
2022-04-10 17:56:13	mion	vga?
2022-04-10 17:56:31	cc0a3hr	xrandr -s 1360x768 works on terminal
2022-04-10 17:56:40	cc0a3hr	but when I start, 600x800 again
2022-04-10 17:56:53	BrainDamage	is this a x server, a tty, or a a wayland wm?
2022-04-10 17:56:59	BrainDamage	ok, x server
2022-04-10 17:57:00	cc0a3hr	im using x
2022-04-10 17:57:41	BrainDamage	then just set your resolution either when you launch x, or in one of the x init scripts
2022-04-10 17:57:58	cc0a3hr	can i set on .xintrc ?
2022-04-10 17:58:20	mion	xorg.conf.d is better
2022-04-10 17:58:28	cc0a3hr	it does not exists
2022-04-10 17:58:32	cc0a3hr	it exists as folder
2022-04-10 17:58:40	BrainDamage	that's because it is
2022-04-10 17:58:43	mion	yes. that is the whole point
2022-04-10 17:58:54	cc0a3hr	how to edit file :D
2022-04-10 17:58:59	cc0a3hr	i mean folder
2022-04-10 17:59:31	Warepire	cc0a3hr: man xorg.conf.d
2022-04-10 17:59:34	mion	you create a file *inside* said directory
2022-04-10 17:59:46	mion	(they are called directories on gnu/Linux)
2022-04-10 18:01:44	mion	Section "Monitor"\nIdentifier      "whatever"\nOption "PreferredMode"  "1360x768"\nEndSection
2022-04-10 18:02:29	mion	what monitor is this and how is it connected?
2022-04-10 18:02:41	BrainDamage	the level of spoonfeeding here a bit high and kinda suspicious, how exactly did you install arch?
2022-04-10 18:03:08	mion	BrainDamage: its just 6 commands to copy/paste if you use archinstall
2022-04-10 18:04:54	LimeOn	Would this change in fstab will be valid? https://bpa.st/JXFA
2022-04-10 18:04:54	phrik	Title: View paste JXFA (at bpa.st)
2022-04-10 18:05:08	LimeOn	I found that changing something in the fstab i can allow the trash function
2022-04-10 18:05:20	mion	don't use sd*
2022-04-10 18:05:48	mion	and you probably want both uid and gid
2022-04-10 18:06:04	LimeOn	gid should be my user group?
2022-04-10 18:06:28	LimeOn	(the ones that drops "groups" command)
2022-04-10 18:06:50	mion	are you dualbooting windows?
2022-04-10 18:06:59	LimeOn	yep
2022-04-10 18:07:24	LimeOn	But i use the partition mostly as a backup if something happens in linux
2022-04-10 18:07:54	mion	use a das with a sane fs for actual backups
2022-04-10 18:08:22	mion	and of course one offsite copy if the data is important
2022-04-10 18:14:12	cc0a3hr	I fixed problem adding xrandr -s on .xintrc
2022-04-10 18:14:40	LimeOn	Well, it worked :D
2022-04-10 18:15:12	LimeOn	thanks everyone for your time
2022-04-10 18:18:52	cc0a3hr	I use startx to start i3, how can I make Arch do automaticly without typing startx on first?
2022-04-10 18:19:27	thrice	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xinit#Autostart_X_at_login
2022-04-10 18:19:28	phrik	Title: xinit - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-10 18:27:17	cc0a3hr	ok it worked
2022-04-10 18:39:13	mion	use a dm if you want sane autostart of X
2022-04-10 18:56:13	⚡ 	thrice wonders if he can run chromium without spawning xwayland
2022-04-10 19:09:48	jamesp	I'm trying to uninstall my nvidia drivers to switch to Wayland, but I'm stuck trying to uninstall nvidia-utils
2022-04-10 19:10:14	jamesp	I was able to uninstall nvidia and nvidia-lts (I forgot about nvidia-utils)
2022-04-10 19:10:35	lavaball	it says pkgver=20140513 ... source=(http://icculus.org/twilight/$pkgname/files/darkplacesengine$pkgver.zip     but when i drop the console in darkplaces it now says april 10th 2022.    
2022-04-10 19:10:47	lavaball	i just want the old 20140513 version.
2022-04-10 19:12:07	jamesp	But when I tried to uninstall nvidia-utils, (pacman -R), it said it couldn't because it would break lib32-nvidia-utils and vulkan-driver, required by steam
2022-04-10 19:12:49	jamesp	So how do I uninstall nvidia-utils and keep using my computer?
2022-04-10 19:13:38	thrice	lavaball: er, how can we help?
2022-04-10 19:14:30	lavaball	i'm trying to install this: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/darkplaces  but the 20140513 version as the packages is named. but when i do, i get the newest built.
2022-04-10 19:14:31	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - darkplaces (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-04-10 19:14:47	lavaball	but the pkgbuild points towards 20140513
2022-04-10 19:15:14	mion	jamesp: you don't have to uninstall nvidia-utils to use wayland
2022-04-10 19:15:24	mion	jamesp: what are you actually trying to do?
2022-04-10 19:16:52	thrice	lavaball: odd?  When I go here, it downloads the correct version:  http://icculus.org/twilight/darkplaces/files/
2022-04-10 19:16:53	phrik	Title: Index of /twilight/darkplaces/files (at icculus.org)
2022-04-10 19:16:57	mpan	lavaball: from what I can see in the PKGBUILD, you are not. Are you sure you are getting a different version and not just looking at something reporting the build date?
2022-04-10 19:17:19	thrice	agree, it WorksForMe
2022-04-10 19:17:24	mion	jamesp: if you are trying to use nouveau; don't, its useless
2022-04-10 19:17:42	lavaball	oh, build date.
2022-04-10 19:17:47	jamesp	mion: I'm not using noveau. I'm switching away from my nvidia graphics
2022-04-10 19:17:58	mion	to what?
2022-04-10 19:18:08	jamesp	I'm using my intel graphics
2022-04-10 19:18:09	lavaball	that makes sense. i didn't know that was a thing. though why do i have issues i didn't have before.
2022-04-10 19:18:17	mion	optimus laptop?
2022-04-10 19:18:27	jamesp	I'm using a desktop actually
2022-04-10 19:18:34	thrice	lavaball: you understand "why do I have issues" is impossible for us to help with, right, unless you state your problem? :>
2022-04-10 19:18:38	jamesp	It's not about optimus
2022-04-10 19:19:08	lavaball	thrice, give me a moment. i'm getting there.
2022-04-10 19:19:15	mion	you are aware that you can use wayland with nvidia now?
2022-04-10 19:20:49	Gagis	thats a bit debatable. nvidia+wayland is still clunky enough I switched back to X11
2022-04-10 19:22:00	jamesp	Anyway so I don't need to uninstall nvidia-utils, right?
2022-04-10 19:22:01	lavaball	VID_Restart: changing from window 1280x720x32bpp (16x AA), to fullscreen 1920x1080x32bpp (16x AA).   Loading OpenGL driver libGL.so.1    Received signal 11, exiting...   then the window/game is gone. stuck in the background. i have to pkill -9 darkplaces-glx. 
2022-04-10 19:22:39	thrice	are you SURE you want a version from 2014?
2022-04-10 19:23:20	mpan	As for a possible explanation: if you built it years ago and did not rebuild, dependencies have changed.
2022-04-10 19:24:01	lavaball	i'm not sure if this is release or build date: Version: DarkPlaces-Quake build 17:18:40 Apr 10 2022 - release       i built it just now and here its 7:24.
2022-04-10 19:24:39	mpan	lavaball: unless they made a new release while you were talking here, I am sure this is not a release.
2022-04-10 19:24:44	lavaball	thrice, they just started working again on the engine recently. before that everything worked just fine.
2022-04-10 19:25:06	lavaball	mpan, okay. thanks.
2022-04-10 19:25:20	mpan	I mean… that timedate is practically NOW. :)
2022-04-10 19:25:40	lavaball	not for me. that's why i was confused. it's 19:25 here.
2022-04-10 19:25:51	mpan	Oh. But still nearly now.
2022-04-10 19:26:00	mpan	In UTC it”s 17:25.
2022-04-10 19:27:19	lavaball	well, i'll just build it again and then i'll feel better.
2022-04-10 19:27:50	lavaball	still the vid restart issue i could live without. it literally worked fine for several years.
2022-04-10 19:30:07	mpan	As I said: if you did not rebuilt in those years, I would say it’s nearly certain that dependencies have changed.
2022-04-10 19:30:35	lavaball	you were right. it uses utc time.
2022-04-10 19:35:40	lavaball	well, then i apologize for wasting your time. i did learn baout the build time though, so it wasn't all for nod.
2022-04-10 19:39:18	driftw00d	alright if I'm only using ldm and qtile, how do I get something like the old gnome-settings-daemon for starting things like kupfer and nm-applet on user startup? is the only way to make system-d units?
2022-04-10 19:40:59	mion	driftw00d: https://docs.qtile.org/en/latest/manual/config/hooks.html#autostart
2022-04-10 19:41:00	phrik	Title: Hooks — Qtile 0.21.1.dev9+g634a470.d20220405 documentation (at docs.qtile.org)
2022-04-10 19:42:28	mion	driftw00d: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Qtile#Startup
2022-04-10 19:42:29	driftw00d	mion: ah! thankyou
2022-04-10 19:42:29	phrik	Title: Qtile - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-10 20:09:19	jamesp	Anyway, I was asking earlier about uninstalling nvidia-utils. How do I uninstall it since Arch won't let me because of lib32-nvidia-utils and vulkan-driver?
2022-04-10 20:10:04	artefact	remove them too in the same transaction. or just install a conflicting package and answer Y for delete
2022-04-10 20:10:06	jamesp	I want to keep vulkan-driver. Do I have to install something else like mesa?
2022-04-10 20:10:30	jamesp	do I have to do pacman -Rd instead of -R?
2022-04-10 20:10:36	artefact	if you want a broken system, sure
2022-04-10 20:11:21	jamesp	artefact: Can I just reinstall them with mesa?
2022-04-10 20:12:38	artefact	you can replace it by another package that provides it, see https://archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&q=vulkan-driver&maintainer=&flagged=
2022-04-10 20:12:41	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2022-04-10 20:13:03	astralc	nouveau doesn't support vulkan last time I checked
2022-04-10 20:13:43	Edu4rdSHL	jamesp, the question is, why do you want to uninstall nvidia-utils while keeping nvidia packages installed?
2022-04-10 20:13:48	jamesp	I'm not using nouveau. I'm switching to intel
2022-04-10 20:14:05	astralc	so install vulkan intel
2022-04-10 20:14:06	artefact	then install it first, then delete the nvidia stuff
2022-04-10 20:14:18	jamesp	Edu4rdSHL: I also uninstalled nvidia and nvidia-lts. I'm removing all nvidia-related packages
2022-04-10 20:14:35	Edu4rdSHL	13:10  artefact | remove them too in the same transaction.
2022-04-10 20:15:18	jamesp	I uninstalled the drivers first, then did pacman -Syu, then realised I forgot to uninstall nvidia-utils, then realized that vulkan-driver requires it
2022-04-10 20:19:28	jamesp	Can I just install vulkan-intel and lib32-vulkan-intel?
2022-04-10 20:19:34	artefact	yes
2022-04-10 20:32:25	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-10 20:33:08	jamesp	thanks artefact! I was able to sucessfully uninstall nvidia-utils and now I will move on to installing wayland and sway
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2022-04-10 20:45:49	Namarrgon	why uninstall nvidia for wayland?
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2022-04-10 20:47:10	artefact	they left.
2022-04-10 20:47:54	grym	afaik the nonfree drivers support xorg only 
2022-04-10 20:48:01	Edu4rdSHL	No
2022-04-10 20:48:06	artefact	it's complicated.
2022-04-10 20:48:07	Scimmia	grym: that changed years ago
2022-04-10 20:48:46	artefact	also they mentioned installing the intel drivers, maybe they just changed hardware
2022-04-10 20:49:03	Edu4rdSHL	Actually the Nvidia drivers even have GBM support
2022-04-10 20:49:53	another|	artefact: is it ever not when nvidia is involved?
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2022-04-10 20:58:21	another|	diff?
2022-04-10 20:58:38	grym	sort|uniq
2022-04-10 20:58:47	grym	or the other way around, i never remember
2022-04-10 20:59:00	Danilo82	i don't know how to use diff for that case
2022-04-10 20:59:32	grym	https://catonmat.net/set-operations-in-unix-shell  this looks about right 
2022-04-10 20:59:34	phrik	Title: Set Operations in the Unix Shell (at catonmat.net)
2022-04-10 20:59:47	BrainDamage	comm -1 -3 <(cat file1|sort) <(cat file2|sort)
2022-04-10 21:00:04	grym	i'd probably do it in python because i'm lazy and that's what i happen to know best 
2022-04-10 21:00:34	BrainDamage	-1 suppresses components unique to file1, -3 components shared between both
2022-04-10 21:02:03	Edu4rdSHL	Danilo82, comm
2022-04-10 21:02:15	Edu4rdSHL	Oh, BrainDamage was faster
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2022-04-10 21:02:53	another|	<(sort file1)
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2022-04-10 21:03:13	artefact	save the cats!
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2022-04-10 21:03:47	BrainDamage	I know they are redundant most of the times, but it allows me to have a consistent interface
2022-04-10 21:04:09	BrainDamage	rather than have to learn the syntax of every program that can read a file or not
2022-04-10 21:04:23	artefact	well, you want consistency, use foo < bar instead of cat bar|foo
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2022-04-10 21:04:54	artefact	well, i'm just suggesting. do what you like :-)
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2022-04-10 21:14:11	driftw00d	anyone have experience setting up ipvanish vpn? I'm using one of their pre-gen configs and the network manager import settings, nm-applet shows me as using the vpn, but none of my traffic is getting routed through it, whatismyip is still showing my ip
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2022-04-10 21:14:38	Namarrgon	is this arch or still endeavour?
2022-04-10 21:14:48	Danilo82	in this case i can't sort the files
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2022-04-10 21:15:31	Danilo82	so i want to test one by one, and if they don't exist in the second file it gets sent to a text file
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2022-04-10 21:15:57	Edu4rdSHL	Danilo82, why you "can not" sort them?
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2022-04-10 21:16:54	Danilo82	this will frick the way the list was made
2022-04-10 21:16:55	Danilo82	and comments stuff
2022-04-10 21:17:43	Edu4rdSHL	Well, then you need to create a script for it that saves the position and other things, I guess :)
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2022-04-10 21:19:33	Danilo82	no, the first list is already sorted, the second one i can't sort, so i want to test one by one in the first list
2022-04-10 21:19:37	BrainDamage	cat file1 | xargs -I{} sh -c "grep -q -F {} file2 || echo {}" > file3
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2022-04-10 21:22:46	BrainDamage	unlike comm this one will have mediocre performance, so using a order map would be better
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2022-04-10 21:23:04	BrainDamage	but it works exactly as you described
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2022-04-10 21:25:08	demonicmaniac1	theres ofc considerations like which is longer and how many do you expect to be in both percentage wise size of list 1 and list 2
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2022-04-10 21:28:33	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-10 21:30:06	catman	i accidently used this command pacman -D --asdeps $(pacman -Qqe) which basically lists all my packages as dependencies. is there a way to undo that? in other words I want to clean orphan files but now when I search for orphans all my packages appear.
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2022-04-10 21:32:21	another|	check /var/log/pacman.log
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2022-04-10 21:32:44	Danilo82	wtf is {}
2022-04-10 21:32:52	Edu4rdSHL	And then use pacman -D --asexplicit on them, catman 
2022-04-10 21:33:07	Edu4rdSHL	That should revert them to his initial state
2022-04-10 21:33:15	◣	Shou (~nyah@wikipedia/Davepeta) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2022-04-10 21:33:44	Edu4rdSHL	Danilo82, https://devhints.io/bash
2022-04-10 21:33:45	phrik	Title: Bash scripting cheatsheet (at devhints.io)
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2022-04-10 21:34:42	Edu4rdSHL	It's bassicaly an argument took from cat file1, the lines in this case
2022-04-10 21:36:34	Edu4rdSHL	taken from*
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2022-04-10 21:46:08	Danilo82	then its not working on xargs -l
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2022-04-10 21:52:35	Danilo82	BrainDamage: this command didn't work at all
2022-04-10 21:52:47	BrainDamage	I've tested it here first
2022-04-10 21:53:08	BrainDamage	make sure you don't mistake i for L
2022-04-10 21:53:17	BrainDamage	it's an uppercase i
2022-04-10 21:53:59	Danilo82	i changed to i
2022-04-10 21:54:05	Danilo82	still didn't work
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2022-04-10 21:55:09	BrainDamage	pastebin your command
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2022-04-10 21:59:41	Danilo82	the same thing you posted, just changed the file names
2022-04-10 22:00:19	Danilo82	i is trying to find the items in the list like files
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2022-04-10 22:45:08	ℹ 	acidsys es conocido ahora como crameleon
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2022-04-11 16:56:19	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-04-11 14:19:53	mpan	Read the entire message.
2022-04-11 14:20:20	mpan	The answer is in the first sentence.
2022-04-11 14:20:43	noobaroo	So, basically it's too much work for too little gain 
2022-04-11 14:20:55	noobaroo	I could have told you that 
2022-04-11 14:20:57	Scimmia	pacman had delta support. Nobody used it
2022-04-11 14:21:12	mpan	No, that’s the last sentence. Unrelated to the other sentences.
2022-04-11 14:21:31	mpan	Whether Fedora has it or what privacy concerns are in other solutions has nothing to do with the last sentence.
2022-04-11 14:21:39	Scimmia	if a few MB are that much of an issue, Arch is a really bad choice
2022-04-11 14:21:39	mpan	Whatever*
2022-04-11 14:24:07	noobaroo	Scimmia, Well, considering Fedora has to download 70MB of repodata in total if not counting this delta stuff, Arch is a better choice than average 
2022-04-11 14:24:32	Scimmia	With the frequency of updates and no package splitting, no, it's really not
2022-04-11 14:24:35	mpan	Which is still a bad choice, if a few MB is an issue.
2022-04-11 14:25:04	noobaroo	*Actually >70MB IIRC. 
2022-04-11 14:26:56	noobaroo	Yeah, I'm not a fan of the package grouping, can't lie.
2022-04-11 14:29:02	mion	not really package grouping since its the default to not split
2022-04-11 14:43:15	mpan	Scimmia: about that junux person on the forum. My troll sense is tingling too (which is why I responded only now), but their previous activity on the forum seemed harmless.
2022-04-11 14:43:50	sorta	im not a fan of package splitting. void linux got annoying *very* quickly
2022-04-11 14:44:42	artefact	or debian with its numerous -devel -doc packages
2022-04-11 14:44:54	sorta	i only have debian on my server :D
2022-04-11 14:45:10	sorta	and that's because pretty much every hostable project has a one line install script for it
2022-04-11 14:45:43	mpan	Related: is there any progress regarding database signing and lack-of-updates signing?
2022-04-11 14:46:08	jelle	lack of updates signing?
2022-04-11 14:46:40	mpan	jelle: confirming that there is no updates.
2022-04-11 14:47:01	jelle	mpan: huh?1
2022-04-11 14:47:49	mpan	jelle: a signature confirming that no updates has been made for $time.
2022-04-11 14:48:02	jelle	oh, never heard of that
2022-04-11 14:48:20	mpan	But since that’s most sanely implemented as the extension of the former, I first ask about database signing. Any progress in that matteR?
2022-04-11 14:49:47	sorta	I just discovered that apps like discord don't respect ~/.config/electron-flags.conf when manually supplying "--enable-features=UseOzonePlatform --ozone-platform=wayland" instantly crashed it. related issue - https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1279574
2022-04-11 14:49:48	phrik	Title: 1279574 - chromium - An open-source project to help move the web forward. - Monorail (at bugs.chromium.org)
2022-04-11 14:59:43	Erus_Iluvatar	mpan: iirc the status of db signing is WIP: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1818890#p1818890 + the mention in http://allanmcrae.com/2019/10/pacman-5-2-release/
2022-04-11 14:59:43	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] files.sig & db.sig downloads return 404 Not Found / Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-04-11 15:06:10	mpan	Erus_Iluvatar: that’s from 4 and 3 years ago. :)
2022-04-11 15:06:43	mpan	I am aware there was work on that in the past. This is why I ask if there is any progress.
2022-04-11 15:07:32	Erus_Iluvatar	That's the last mentions i've found, I remembered I had read something about that but i though it was less old than that 
2022-04-11 15:41:09	Tom^	anyone has any news on if clang14 will appear soon since its released. foutrelis? , i need its c++20 changes! :D
2022-04-11 15:42:27	cc0a3hr	Guys Im trying to set background wallpaper with feh, but when it always shows the previous wallpaper I used. There is no feh line in .xinitrc or i3 config, how it is possible?
2022-04-11 15:43:48	grym	cc0a3hr: i have ~/.fehbg, a bash script, that just calls feh --bg-scale the-image.jpg
2022-04-11 15:43:53	cc0a3hr	I mean, when I reboot, the walpaper I setted is gone and showing previous one
2022-04-11 15:43:59	grym	but i have just one background ever
2022-04-11 15:44:11	MacGyver	Black.
2022-04-11 15:44:15	MacGyver	The best background.
2022-04-11 15:44:28	MacGyver	You shouldn't see it 99.9% of the time anyway so why bother.
2022-04-11 15:44:51	cc0a3hr	well there is my old background set on .fehbg 
2022-04-11 15:45:39	cc0a3hr	feh --no-fehbg --bg-fill '/home/user/Pictures/wallpapers/1646195152410.jpg' when I delete it, it comes back on .fehbg
2022-04-11 15:52:34	jelle	for sure
2022-04-11 16:15:04	CubeTheThird	have you switched to a Wayland session? Gnome 42 now allows it for nvidia proprietary drivers
2022-04-11 16:20:38	Gagis	speaking of managing big update messes. anyone wanna recommend their favourite utility for going trough a backlog of pacnew files?
2022-04-11 16:21:06	artefact	pacdiff
2022-04-11 16:21:40	artefact	(from pacman-contrib)
2022-04-11 16:22:11	Gagis	cheers
2022-04-11 16:25:22	Scimmia	personally, I just use find, but I don't let them get all that backed up
2022-04-11 16:26:16	MacGyver	+1 on pacdiff, purely because I'm lazy and don't feel like running vimdiff manually on find.
2022-04-11 16:33:00	artefact	if you don't like vimdiff, DIFFPROG="git diff --word-diff=color --no-index" is also great
2022-04-11 16:39:05	CubeTheThird	I like to use p3wm
2022-04-11 16:39:14	CubeTheThird	it works great most of the time
2022-04-11 16:40:29	mevla	Hello.  I'm trying to install termshark.  A dependency is libtiff-4.3.0-1.  pacman goes through 20 sources for the package, each one reporting a 404.  I'm new to archlinux, how can this be solved ?
2022-04-11 16:40:41	artefact	update your mirrorlist, then pacman -Syy
2022-04-11 16:41:09	artefact	or just pacman -Syy if you haven't upgraded in a while (in that case, use -Syyu, as partial upgrades are bad)
2022-04-11 16:41:18	CubeTheThird	essentially it's because there is an upstream version newer than the one you are trying to obtain, and the mirrors don't have it anymore
2022-04-11 16:41:20	mevla	Thnaks !  Works great.
2022-04-11 16:41:24	mevla	Thanks !
2022-04-11 16:53:08	vvn	I'm resizing the last partition with parted -s /dev/foo resize 4 100%. Is there a way to abstract the last partition number? As if a special 'last' value was implemented?
2022-04-11 16:56:19	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-11 17:07:03	aminvakil	what's "/etc/passwd-"?
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2022-04-11 17:07:49	aminvakil	i also have a "/etc/passwd.OLD" on one of my arch machines i can't recall myself creating it, should i be worried?
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2022-04-11 17:12:17	aminvakil	ok, it seems that "/etc/passwd.OLD" is a common thing and has been created during a useradd or something like that
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2022-04-11 17:15:04	Edu4rdSHL	Do you know what is google? You can search quickly there
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2022-04-11 17:16:09	Edu4rdSHL	https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/27717/who-creates-etc-group-gshadow-passwd-shadow
2022-04-11 17:16:10	phrik	Title: linux - Who creates /etc/{group,gshadow,passwd,shadow}-? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
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2022-04-11 17:22:47	Arsimael	Anyone knows why the "Win" Key doesn't open kMenu in wayland anymore?
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2022-04-11 17:26:10	Arsimael	ALT+F1 works like a charm
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2022-04-11 17:36:45	vvn	I want to have a /dev/root -> foo symlink which points to the device specified on the kernel command line root=/dev/foo, what's wrong with this rule?
2022-04-11 17:36:47	vvn	ACTION!="remove", IMPORT{cmdline}=="root", KERNEL=="ENV{root}", SYMLINK+="root"
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2022-04-11 17:44:43	Arsimael	ok, could fix it
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2022-04-11 17:49:39	jjholt	I'm guessing its a shortcoming of wayland but its annoying that smplayer and vlc display video in a separate window 
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2022-04-11 17:50:06	damjan	jjholt: yeah. smplayer starts mpv
2022-04-11 17:50:20	damjan	I've started using just mpv now :/
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2022-04-11 17:51:23	damjan	I beleive it can be done on wayland, but smplayer will need to implement a quasi/proxy compositor 
2022-04-11 17:51:37	bug2000	I'm not sure what I even get by running smplayer these days. mpv just does everything.
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2022-04-11 17:51:48	bug2000	stopped using smplayer when I stopped using mplayer.
2022-04-11 17:51:51	damjan	bug2000: integrated download subtitles :)
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2022-04-11 17:52:33	BrainDamage	you can download a third party script once, and then it does it automatically too
2022-04-11 17:52:38	bug2000	damjan, Does it find lyrics automatically?
2022-04-11 17:52:41	Arsimael	They are still around, but it's getting better
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2022-04-11 17:53:52	Arsimael	damjan, TBH I switched to mpv completely since VLC did a shitty quality (on linux) 
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2022-04-11 17:54:07	grym	mpv <3 
2022-04-11 17:54:12	grym	mpv-build is also lovely 
2022-04-11 17:54:26	jelle	mpv-build?
2022-04-11 17:54:34	grym	https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv-build 
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2022-04-11 17:55:06	BrainDamage	is there something missing from the arch package that you need?
2022-04-11 17:55:08	grym	i live half in ubuntu and develop in python, so "build it in $HOME and screw the package manager" is pretty much business as usual :D 
2022-04-11 17:55:25	jjholt	I guess I should've look more closely at smtube's settings easy enough to switch to mpv 
2022-04-11 17:56:10	damjan	one of the features I used a lot in smplayer was how easy it was to sync subtitles with audio, like the "show next subtitle" shortcut. now it's in mpv too (ctrl-shift-left/right) - I dont know when it appeared
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2022-04-11 17:59:08	CubeTheThird	TheArcaneBrony, I'm just asking if it switched to Wayland without your knowledge. Up until 42, Wayland support would have to be manually enabled with nvidia proprietary drivers
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2022-04-11 18:00:23	jjholt	im trying to eliminate my dependence on heavy web browsers. so I'm offloading the things I keep a browser open for mainly youtube, email  and ,messenging. 
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2022-04-11 18:01:30	kektagen	take the redpill
2022-04-11 18:01:34	kektagen	enter emacs hell
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2022-04-11 18:02:24	artefact	emacs is good for e-mail though
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2022-04-11 18:02:37	jonathon	!emacs
2022-04-11 18:02:38	phrik	A great operating system lacking only a decent text editor
2022-04-11 18:02:44	kektagen	and web browsing, and tetris
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2022-04-11 18:02:54	jjholt	phrik: thats what nano is for 
2022-04-11 18:02:54	phrik	jjholt: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
2022-04-11 18:02:56	BrainDamage	pretty sure those 3 are things that can be done well outside a web browser
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2022-04-11 18:03:08	kektagen	unironically the best tetris clone on linux is in emacs
2022-04-11 18:03:27	Scimmia	Depends on what you need for 'messenging'. A lot of the propriatary clients are electron/chromium
2022-04-11 18:03:27	jjholt	phrik: thats what nano is for 
2022-04-11 18:03:28	phrik	jjholt: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
2022-04-11 18:03:32	BrainDamage	imap and a local mail client, mpv + youtube-dl to watch things
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2022-04-11 18:03:41	jonathon	!give jjholt bot
2022-04-11 18:03:41	BrainDamage	and for the messenging, depends what you use
2022-04-11 18:03:41	phrik	jjholt: I'm a bot! ~does the binary solo~ 00001 000011 0000111
2022-04-11 18:04:00	BrainDamage	but there's no replacement for a browser to navigate the web
2022-04-11 18:04:08	kektagen	honestly the only thing stopping me from dailying konqueror is the lack of a good blocker
2022-04-11 18:04:21	artefact	is it still using khtml?
2022-04-11 18:04:29	kektagen	either khtml or webengine
2022-04-11 18:04:33	jjholt	BrainDamage: using claws, pidgin, and smtube and hoping to remove chrome and switch to something like netsurf 
2022-04-11 18:04:47	artefact	i think most rendering engines except gecko/blink are vulnerable as f*ck
2022-04-11 18:04:48	kektagen	ah, gotta go
2022-04-11 18:04:50	Scimmia	konqueror is chromium based
2022-04-11 18:04:55	Scimmia	not what I would call light
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2022-04-11 18:33:34	ugga-the-caveman	hi, i want to install archlinux multiple times on the same harddisk. I also want to install these system on lvm inside of a lukscontainer. I have no problem installing a single archlinux onto lvm on luks. But i cannot get it to work with multiple systems.   Anyone has a good tutorial ?
2022-04-11 18:33:42	ugga-the-caveman	you need more information?
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2022-04-11 18:35:39	Edu4rdSHL	You're not telling the most important part: why it doesn't work. What errors do you get? How are you doing it?
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2022-04-11 18:35:53	ugga-the-caveman	ah right, silly me.
2022-04-11 18:36:23	ugga-the-caveman	https://gist.github.com/Ugga-the-Caveman/9358a4d5e6473d63eecc7969f2c29fdb
2022-04-11 18:36:29	ugga-the-caveman	this is what i have done
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2022-04-11 18:36:59	ugga-the-caveman	the error is that its not booting, i cant remember the exact phrase. wait a sec i will try to boot
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2022-04-13 13:58:44	jelle	isn't living in norway a tax issue in itself?
2022-04-13 13:59:37	Foxboron	:D
2022-04-13 13:59:40	Foxboron	No comment
2022-04-13 14:06:38	mkoskar	so sleepy
2022-04-13 14:09:39	cdman	why ctrl+f9 doesn't open bottom panel in gedit? :((
2022-04-13 14:11:38	Namarrgon	bugs! bugs everywhere!
2022-04-13 14:12:35	Namarrgon	https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gedit/-/issues/456
2022-04-13 14:12:38	phrik	Title: The "F9" and "Ctrl-F9" shortcuts seem to be both handling the side panel. (#456) · Issues · GNOME / gedit · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
2022-04-13 14:14:04	cdman	damn, that was 8 months ago?
2022-04-13 14:14:50	Namarrgon	why does every gitlab instance show that LFS notice to users not logged in? that makes no sense.
2022-04-13 14:15:32	Namarrgon	cdman: no rush, maybe next year
2022-04-13 14:15:44	cdman	:(((
2022-04-13 14:15:56	cdman	you must be kidding
2022-04-13 14:16:14	cdman	why no one seem to care about it?
2022-04-13 14:16:22	Namarrgon	https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/4171
2022-04-13 14:16:24	NetSysFire	Namarrgon: because open source UX
2022-04-13 14:16:24	phrik	Title: Wrong behaviour of keyboard shortcuts on Fedora (#4171) · Issues · GNOME / gtk · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
2022-04-13 14:16:25	cdman	I'm not the only person on earth using gedit right?
2022-04-13 14:16:27	Namarrgon	help to debug and fix it
2022-04-13 14:16:30	NetSysFire	^
2022-04-13 14:17:10	Namarrgon	i justed installed it to verify it, for a short moment there were two gedit users on this planet
2022-04-13 14:17:13	Namarrgon	*just
2022-04-13 14:17:23	jelle	lol
2022-04-13 14:17:27	cdman	lol
2022-04-13 14:21:03	diamondbond	anyone here having issues with the latest adwaita-icon-theme 42.0-1 ?
2022-04-13 14:21:13	diamondbond	toolbar icons are gone ;-;
2022-04-13 14:21:15	NetSysFire	you gotta be more specific than just "issues"
2022-04-13 14:21:20	NetSysFire	which toolbar?
2022-04-13 14:21:25	diamondbond	emacs and transmission-gtk
2022-04-13 14:22:20	diamondbond	NetSysFire, https://0x0.st/occS.png
2022-04-13 14:23:34	diamondbond	i even went ahead and reset gtk toolbaricon size and style thinking those were somehow changed in an update or something, https://0x0.st/occ1.png
2022-04-13 14:25:29	NetSysFire	if you want to be extra thorough, create a new, fresh user and see if the problem persists
2022-04-13 14:25:37	diamondbond	will do, thank you NetSysFire 
2022-04-13 14:25:41	demaio	diamondbond: I have the same issue with package "zim" and the attachment plugin
2022-04-13 14:25:51	demaio	found this: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/4754
2022-04-13 14:25:53	phrik	Title: Ship icon assets used by GTK (#4754) · Issues · GNOME / gtk · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
2022-04-13 14:25:54	diamondbond	odd isnt it, i might try rolling back adwaita-icon-theme
2022-04-13 14:27:16	diamondbond	yep, demaio , i just checked my ~/.xsession-errors and its littered with Gtk-Warnings expecting a symbolic icon that just isn't present with the new adwaita-icon-theme
2022-04-13 14:28:15	vtx	hi folks o/ does anyone know how to configure a trackpd like a macbook? as in, support a single finger click, then a two finger click for right click?
2022-04-13 14:28:35	NetSysFire	xorg.conf i suppose
2022-04-13 14:29:23	Khorne	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/libinput
2022-04-13 14:29:24	phrik	Title: libinput - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-13 14:29:31	vtx	is there an online repository of xorg.conf configurations for stuff like this? or an app that will help configure the xorg.conf?
2022-04-13 14:29:42	raster	xinput tool on cmdline
2022-04-13 14:29:43	Gagis	gnome and kde should both have settings utilities for that
2022-04-13 14:29:50	raster	modify input device properties at runtime
2022-04-13 14:30:04	raster	and yes most de's will have tooling to do this for you
2022-04-13 14:44:13	tsal	I'm trying to get internet connection sharing working following this wiki article: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NetworkManager#Sharing_internet_connection_over_Ethernet but the DNS behaves strangely:
2022-04-13 14:44:14	phrik	Title: NetworkManager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-13 14:44:50	tsal	If the hostname is not in cache, dnsmasq returns a "Refused" packet
2022-04-13 14:45:11	tsal	And a bit later the reply packet with the correct information
2022-04-13 14:45:56	tsal	However it is ignored by the client, since it sees that its request was denied.
2022-04-13 14:48:41	tsal	The DNS conversation basically looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/4oCpsRk.png
2022-04-13 14:50:01	duelle	Hi there, I recently seem to have an icon issue. For some applications (e.g., gnucash and gparted), icons seem to be missing. I have the adwaita icon set installed and tried several things: installing another icon set (oxygen, which only made some broken icons go away), reinstalling pixbuf, updating the cache with gkt-update-icon-cache. But to no avail. Maybe I did sth wrong until now. Do you
2022-04-13 14:50:01	duelle	have any idea on how I can get back to the usual adwaita theme 
2022-04-13 14:51:19	Gagis	check gnome-tweak tool and other settings. some selections might have gotten wonky in upgrade from 41 to 42 but should be fine once you assert them
2022-04-13 14:51:19	steam	Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from Gagis at 2022-04-13 12:51:19.181675. Message was: check gnome-tweak tool and other settings. some selections might have gotten wonky in upgrade from 41 to 42 but should be fine once you assert them
2022-04-13 14:51:19	steam	Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:19.325902. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from Gagis at 2022-04-13 12:51:19.181675. Message was: check gnome-tweak tool and other settings. some selections might have gotten wonky in upgrade from 41 to 42 but should be fine once you assert them
2022-04-13 14:51:19	steam	Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:19.470444. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:19.325902. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from Gagis at 2022-04-13 12:51:19.181675. Message was: check gnome-tweak tool and other settings. some selections might have
2022-04-13 14:51:19	steam	gotten wonky in upgrade from 41 to 42 but should be fine once you as
2022-04-13 14:51:19	steam	Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:19.613436. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:19.470444. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:19.325902. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from Gagis at
2022-04-13 14:51:19	steam	2022-04-13 12:51:19.181675. Message was: check gnome-tweak tool and ot
2022-04-13 14:51:21	steam	Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:19.755904. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:19.613436. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:19.470444. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at
2022-04-13 14:51:21	steam	2022-04-13 12:51:19.325902. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] 
2022-04-13 14:51:23	steam	Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:21.759969. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:19.755904. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:19.613436. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at
2022-04-13 14:51:23	steam	2022-04-13 12:51:19.470444. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] 
2022-04-13 14:51:25	steam	Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:23.762856. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:21.759969. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:19.755904. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at
2022-04-13 14:51:25	steam	2022-04-13 12:51:19.613436. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] 
2022-04-13 14:51:27	steam	Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:25.889513. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:23.762856. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:21.759969. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at
2022-04-13 14:51:27	steam	2022-04-13 12:51:19.755904. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] 
2022-04-13 14:51:29	steam	Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from brjl at 2022-04-13 12:51:27.120767. Message was: Kamal (brejela) Curi
2022-04-13 14:51:31	steam	Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:27.854658. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:25.889513. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:23.762856. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at
2022-04-13 14:51:31	steam	2022-04-13 12:51:21.759969. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] 
2022-04-13 14:51:32	NetSysFire	uuuuuh
2022-04-13 14:51:33	steam	Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from steam at 2022-04-13 12:51:29.582031. Message was: Unexpected error ([Errno 28] No space left on device) from brjl at 2022-04-13 12:51:27.120767. Message was: Kamal (brejela) Curi
2022-04-13 14:51:51	Gagis	*snicker*
2022-04-13 14:51:55	Gagis	irclogs are dangerous
2022-04-13 14:52:01	Foxboron	Well, seems like they had no space left on their device
2022-04-13 14:52:15	Gagis	that was beautiful
2022-04-13 14:52:16	mpan	… no space left on #archlinux. Process kicked.
2022-04-13 14:53:10	Khorne	It's more fun that it looped on itself
2022-04-13 14:53:14	mpan	Seriously, some client redirected log spam to the chat, because it could not write logs? :O
2022-04-13 14:53:24	artefact	that's embarrassing
2022-04-13 14:53:32	Khorne	Funny way to spell hilarious
2022-04-13 14:53:39	Gagis	and then tried to log its own log spam. absolutely beautiful
2022-04-13 14:54:10	ponies	nice ^^ 
2022-04-13 14:54:26	ponies	i bet 12gb of logs? 
2022-04-13 14:54:40	Khorne	Why the hell would you even output that to irc :')
2022-04-13 14:54:45	Khorne	Stupid logbots
2022-04-13 14:55:48	artefact	reported to VALVe 👀
2022-04-13 14:56:14	mpan	That should be reported to their client devs, TBH. Sounds like some major facepalm in the code.
2022-04-13 14:56:23	duelle	@Gagis The settings in the Appearance part seem to be fine. Cursor, Icons, and Legacy Applications have Adwaita set. So nothing seems to be out of order there..
2022-04-13 14:56:58	Gagis	duelle, for me dark vs light mode selection in regular settings was off and applied to some apps and not to others. but thats all I can think of
2022-04-13 14:58:07	duelle	Is there a global setting for that in the gnome-tweaks somewhere or are talking about the specific applications?
2022-04-13 14:58:57	Gagis	global setting in non-tweaks panel for me
2022-04-13 15:05:05	drathir_tor	hmmm... that was interesting... ^^
2022-04-13 15:06:36	drathir_tor	Khorne: hw (drive) couldnt handle #archlinux irc channel awesomeness... ;D
2022-04-13 15:08:28	duelle	Gagis: Can't find that option. I also tried to use 'lxappearance' which also shows nothing out of the ordinary and explicitly set. I now tried to use the oxygen icon set again and for gnucash that seems to do the trick, but gparted still has no icons :/
2022-04-13 15:09:48	duelle	Seems like gnucash is gtk2 and gparted is gtk3. Maybe that makes a difference here..
2022-04-13 15:49:29	duelle	Is there maybe a way to reset all setting related to icons/themes? Seems like it's really messed up on my system..
2022-04-13 15:56:51	Edu4rdSHL	duelle, Adwaita?
2022-04-13 15:58:02	duelle	Edu4rdSHL: It seems so, yes. Since a few days ago, some icons seem to be broken. And despite trying other icon sets, some applications (like gparted) still have no/broken icons.
2022-04-13 16:00:09	duelle	Edu4rdSHL:  Just stumbled upon this: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/74350
2022-04-13 16:00:09	duelle	So it's maybe an issue from upstream..
2022-04-13 16:00:09	phrik	Title: FS#74350 : [xfce4-settings] [adwaita-icon-theme] v42 missing several icons for xfce4 (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-04-13 16:03:39	Foucault	hi, i changed my gpu to an AMD one (6600XT) and gdm won't start any wayland session, it just returns back to the login prompt, on the log it says "GdmDisplay: Session never registered, failing"
2022-04-13 16:04:03	Foucault	strangely enough starting gnome-wayland through lightdm works (but I can't lock the sceren without gdm :-( )
2022-04-13 16:04:22	Foucault	I've added amdgpu in "MODULES" and rebuilt the initramfs
2022-04-13 16:05:54	Foucault	sometimes the wayland session does not appear at all in the session list, but after a logout it does (althout it still won't start GNOME)
2022-04-13 16:05:57	Foucault	x11 works fine
2022-04-13 16:06:40	Foucault	forcing "WaylandEnable=true" in /etc/gdm/custom.conf did not help either
2022-04-13 16:16:39	Edu4rdSHL	> x11 works fine
2022-04-13 16:16:41	Edu4rdSHL	As usual
2022-04-13 16:18:47	Foucault	apparently gnome-shell crashes with a coredump
2022-04-13 16:19:20	lambda	oh, oh, install debuginfod!
2022-04-13 16:19:22	lambda	it's great
2022-04-13 16:21:58	Foucault	here's the relevant part from the log
2022-04-13 16:21:59	Foucault	http://ix.io/3V2w
2022-04-13 16:22:25	Foucault	although probably not very useful
2022-04-13 16:22:57	Edu4rdSHL	What
2022-04-13 16:23:14	lambda	Foucault: pacman -S debuginfod && source /etc/profile.d/debuginfod.sh && coredumpctl debug
2022-04-13 16:23:42	Foucault	I need to save the coredump first
2022-04-13 16:23:56	lambda	systemd does that for you
2022-04-13 16:24:04	lambda	unless you disabled it
2022-04-13 16:24:06	Foucault	no it doesn't I've disabled it a while ago
2022-04-13 16:24:13	Foxboron	coredumctl list is empty?
2022-04-13 16:24:50	Foucault	it's got a few entries
2022-04-13 16:24:55	Foucault	Wed 2022-04-13 16:58:08 EEST  4283  1000 1000 SIGTRAP none     /usr/bin/gnome-shell                                                              >
2022-04-13 16:24:55	Foucault	Wed 2022-04-13 17:14:53 EEST  4543  1000 1000 SIGSEGV none     /usr/bin/gnome-shell                                                              >
2022-04-13 16:24:55	Foucault	Wed 2022-04-13 17:15:05 EEST 11857  1000 1000 SIGTRAP none     /usr/bin/gnome-shell 
2022-04-13 16:25:12	Foxboron	Congratulation. You didn't disable it
2022-04-13 16:25:32	Foxboron	Wait, it says "none"
2022-04-13 16:25:37	Foxboron	So then you have no dumps
2022-04-13 16:25:47	Foucault	and there are no dumps under /var/lib/systemd/coredump
2022-04-13 16:27:22	artefact	might be over the size limit. check your coredump.conf
2022-04-13 16:28:28	Foucault	it's the default one, which is 2G I think?
2022-04-13 16:28:42	lambda	I mean, they said they disabled it, so I'm guessing it's because of that
2022-04-13 16:29:34	artefact	ah. silly me for skimming over backlog 🚀
2022-04-13 16:30:38	Foucault	I commented out any modification is coredump.conf still no dump
2022-04-13 16:30:55	Foucault	I'll try to increase the maximum size
2022-04-13 16:31:04	Foucault	still it's quite odd why it works with lightdm
2022-04-13 16:34:17	Edu4rdSHL	Foucault, commenting out coredump.conf without restarting the coredump service does nothing
2022-04-13 16:34:24	Foucault	I know
2022-04-13 16:34:29	Foucault	I did restart
2022-04-13 16:35:06	lambda	Edu4rdSHL: there is no coredump service though?
2022-04-13 16:35:28	lambda	Foucault: `sysctl kernel.core_pattern`?
2022-04-13 16:35:56	Edu4rdSHL	Foucault, what do you restarted?
2022-04-13 16:36:02	Foucault	the computer for one
2022-04-13 16:36:03	Foucault	|/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-coredump %P %u %g %s %t %c %h
2022-04-13 16:36:13	lambda	yeah that's correct
2022-04-13 16:38:41	Foucault	it's funny because gnome wayland works alright in recent versions on my nvidia computer
2022-04-13 16:40:03	tusko	gnome is the gayest DE
2022-04-13 16:40:13	dTal	what's gay about it
2022-04-13 16:40:15	Foucault	that's not very helpful though
2022-04-13 16:40:19	Gagis	its very happy
2022-04-13 16:40:24	tusko	Use a real DE, like i3
2022-04-13 16:40:37	dTal	so gay = not real?
2022-04-13 16:40:38	Edu4rdSHL	lol
2022-04-13 16:40:54	tusko	gay = happy
2022-04-13 16:41:18	dTal	backpedal harder
2022-04-13 16:41:23	irc_standardnick	I see we are at Shakespearen version of words :p
2022-04-13 16:41:35	dTal	does libera k-line for homophobia? I think it might
2022-04-13 16:41:47	Foucault	ok so Xorg it is
2022-04-13 16:41:49	lambda	tusko: I can easily make my i3 puke rainbows, it's harder if gnome
2022-04-13 16:41:56	artefact	i3 is a window manager, a subset of a DE
2022-04-13 16:42:14	tusko	anything beyond i3 is bloat
2022-04-13 16:42:21	tusko	i3 is bordering on bloat
2022-04-13 16:42:28	Edu4rdSHL	Use the TTY
2022-04-13 16:42:32	Foucault	I think we were past these flame wars
2022-04-13 16:42:48	artefact	🧯
2022-04-13 16:43:05	lambda	this whole "screen" business is really quite a bloaty resource hog, go back to teletypes
2022-04-13 16:43:05	dTal	were you expecting maturity from a blockhead who uses "gay" as an insult 
2022-04-13 16:43:16	Edu4rdSHL	Stop crying
2022-04-13 16:44:48	Foucault	anway still no dumps, is there any implicit upper limit for coredumps in systemd?
2022-04-13 16:45:06	lambda	Foucault: anything in the journal?
2022-04-13 16:45:21	thurstylark	eyes are bloat. install serial port in your temple and become one with your machine like the true l33t h4k0r
2022-04-13 16:45:25	tusko	did u look in /etc/sysctl.d/50-coredump.conf
2022-04-13 16:45:30	Edu4rdSHL	No, it's just that you need to reload the systemd configuration or reboot your system, as I've been saying to you
2022-04-13 16:45:32	lambda	tusko: sysctl is ok
2022-04-13 16:45:47	Foucault	I did restart the computer though
2022-04-13 16:45:56	lambda	Edu4rdSHL: why? there's nothing actively running that keeps the config as state
2022-04-13 16:46:05	Edu4rdSHL	lambda, try it yourself
2022-04-13 16:46:06	tusko	thurstylark, too late I already connected 
2022-04-13 16:46:18	tusko	usb port
2022-04-13 16:46:18	Edu4rdSHL	Foucault, and reproduced the coredump?
2022-04-13 16:46:20	Foucault	can I trigger a coredump to see if a dump is created?
2022-04-13 16:46:26	Foucault	yes Edu4rdSHL
2022-04-13 16:46:37	Foucault	I started gdm, tried to login with wayland session, crashed
2022-04-13 16:46:46	Edu4rdSHL	You need to reproduce the coredump again and then check `coredumpctl list`
2022-04-13 16:46:50	Foucault	new error lines on journal, no coredump
2022-04-13 16:47:06	Foucault	Wed 2022-04-13 17:37:46 EEST  1104  1000 1000 SIGSEGV none     /usr/bin/gnome-shell
2022-04-13 16:47:09	Edu4rdSHL	Well, you haven't reproduced the coredump then
2022-04-13 16:47:13	Foucault	that's from a few minutes ago
2022-04-13 16:47:17	Edu4rdSHL	mmm
2022-04-13 16:47:43	Edu4rdSHL	What's the output for `systemd-analyze cat-config systemd/coredump.conf`
2022-04-13 16:48:04	Foucault	ah found it!
2022-04-13 16:48:15	lambda	Edu4rdSHL: I tried, nothing needs to be restarted for the config changes to take effect
2022-04-13 16:49:30	Foucault	my memory is failing, there was a custom.conf in coredump.conf.d
2022-04-13 16:49:36	Foucault	will restart and trigger the bug again
2022-04-13 16:52:30	Foucault	ok there are three coredumps
2022-04-13 16:52:40	Foucault	one for user 120 (gdm) and two for 1000 (me)
2022-04-13 16:52:55	Foucault	I assume GDM tries to start in wayland but crashes then loads in Xorg
2022-04-13 16:54:01	Edu4rdSHL	coredumpctl gdb $YOUR_COREDUMP_ID
2022-04-13 16:54:07	Edu4rdSHL	set logging file backtrace.txt
2022-04-13 16:54:12	Edu4rdSHL	set logging on
2022-04-13 16:54:18	Edu4rdSHL	set pagination off
2022-04-13 16:54:26	Edu4rdSHL	thread apply all bt full
2022-04-13 16:54:33	Edu4rdSHL	And share backtrace.txt
2022-04-13 16:54:41	Foucault	ok give me a couple of minutes
2022-04-13 16:55:10	Foucault	what's the COREDUMP_ID the alphanumeric after the PID?
2022-04-13 16:55:27	Foucault	UID sorry
2022-04-13 16:55:32	Edu4rdSHL	The PID
2022-04-13 16:55:32	Foucault	core.gnome-shell.120.6abb84efe6d94dc0b533cb0b5c1062f1.608.1649861434000000.zst
2022-04-13 16:55:36	Foucault	ok
2022-04-13 17:01:46	Foucault	http://ix.io/3V2I
2022-04-13 17:02:26	Foucault	that's the backtrace from PID 3705 which appears after I try to login
2022-04-13 17:02:34	Foucault	there's another one I'll paste that too
2022-04-13 17:02:57	Edu4rdSHL	"Failed to start X Wayland: Wrong ownership for directory \"/tmp/.X11-unix\"
2022-04-13 17:03:36	Foucault	it's owned by gdm from what I can see
2022-04-13 17:04:32	Edu4rdSHL	Well, that's what the backtrace says
2022-04-13 17:07:42	Foucault	there's an additional dump with this backtrace http://ix.io/3V2J
2022-04-13 17:10:38	Edu4rdSHL	Do you have mozilla firefox on autostart or something?
2022-04-13 17:10:54	Edu4rdSHL	I wonder why there are mozilla logs everywhere in your coredumps
2022-04-13 17:11:25	Foucault	I guess it's gnome's js runtime
2022-04-13 17:11:32	Foucault	which is based on the mozilla runtime
2022-04-13 17:12:00	Edu4rdSHL	Oooh.
2022-04-13 17:12:13	Foucault	spidermonkey or how it's called
2022-04-13 17:13:15	Foucault	i'm wondering why radeonsi is used at all
2022-04-13 17:13:24	Foucault	I believe that's for GCN1
2022-04-13 17:13:31	Foucault	which is irrelevant from my card
2022-04-13 17:15:19	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-13 17:17:11	Foucault	and it's also odd why it's only happening with gdm
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2022-04-13 17:39:10	sandman13	I don't know why loopback is here on aplay -l's output: https://bpa.st/XSAQ
2022-04-13 17:39:10	phrik	Title: View paste XSAQ (at bpa.st)
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2022-04-13 17:43:05	sandman13	I have it muted but at first boot, audio recording is distorted. It eventually gets better though and I am quite perplexed by this behavior.
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2022-04-13 17:43:21	astralc	did you load snd-aloop?
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2022-04-13 17:43:29	astralc	or something autoload it?
2022-04-13 17:43:47	astralc	module
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2022-04-13 17:44:06	sandman13	No. lsmod | grep snd-loop shows nothing
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2022-04-13 17:45:35	astralc	and snd_aloop?
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2022-04-13 17:49:35	sandman13	It's loaded
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2022-04-13 17:53:08	astralc	this module create the loopback alsa
2022-04-13 17:53:30	sandman13	Now the question is who created it :D
2022-04-13 17:53:49	astralc	do you load it somewhere? i assume you don't have in module-load.d
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2022-04-13 17:55:03	sandman13	Hmm. I thought that was the culprit
2022-04-13 17:55:05	sandman13	Droidcam
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2022-04-13 17:55:29	sandman13	astralc: Thanks :)
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2022-04-13 19:21:23	⚡ 	mion hands sandman13 a copy of pipewire
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2022-04-13 19:25:24	sandman13	mion: Only one problem :(
2022-04-13 19:25:27	sandman13	volumeicon
2022-04-13 19:25:32	sandman13	it doesn't work at all :(
2022-04-13 19:25:46	mion	there are about a billion replacements for that
2022-04-13 19:26:15	mion	and volumeicon have been dead for half a decade so..
2022-04-13 19:27:16	sandman13	Hmm. I found it few years back. Small and was in repos. I am open to suggestion though
2022-04-13 19:27:23	sandman13	:D
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2022-04-13 19:38:43	mion	which wm?
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2022-04-13 19:59:00	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-04-13 20:00:24	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-04-13 20:00:24	ℹ 	Tema establecido por phrik (~phrik@phrik.archlinux.org) el dom, 06 feb 2022 22:28:56
2022-04-13 20:00:24	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1458 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1457 normals)
2022-04-13 20:00:25	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-04-13 20:00:27	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-04-13 20:00:27	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-13 20:25:10	ℹ 	cdown_ es conocido ahora como cdown
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2022-04-13 20:35:01	duddino	Archlinux is too hard to install
2022-04-13 20:35:01	duddino	The developers should make it easier to install
2022-04-13 20:35:01	duddino	it's impossible to install
2022-04-13 20:35:01	gehidore	duddino then it's not for you
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2022-04-13 20:35:01	mpan	Is there any way we can help you installing it? If not, you are probably in a wrong place.
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2022-04-13 20:35:01	duddino	I am installing Ubuntu
2022-04-13 20:35:01	duddino	Ubuntu is so much better than Archlinux
2022-04-13 20:35:01	duddino	My Ubuntu
2022-04-13 20:35:01	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+o phrik] por ChanServ
2022-04-13 20:35:01	mpan	phrik++
2022-04-13 20:35:01	◣	phrik ha expulsado duddino (/j #ubuntu)
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2022-04-13 20:35:01	gehidore	phrik op
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2022-04-13 20:35:01	@gehidore	meh
2022-04-13 20:35:01	xecuter	how i can set "normalizer" for pipewire?
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2022-04-13 20:35:22	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1456 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1454 normals)
2022-04-13 20:35:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-13 20:35:57	Edu4rdSHL	phrik op
2022-04-13 20:35:57	phrik	Edu4rdSHL: Error: You don't have the #archlinux,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
2022-04-13 20:35:59	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-04-13 20:36:10	artefact	xecuter: what do you mean?
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2022-04-13 20:36:57	xecuter	as like as netflix.... speech normal and special FX Wwwwwwwums Bummmz.... that i can normalizing it
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2022-04-13 20:37:54	TheDcoder	Hi, is there a more efficient way to move an ext4 partition to the left without moving the entire thing?
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2022-04-13 20:38:14	artefact	xecuter: you can do it with a filterchain, but it's probably easier to enable dynamic range compression in whatever player you use
2022-04-13 20:38:21	TheDcoder	I was imagining there would be a tool which would just update the metadata with the correct offsets instead of physically moving the data
2022-04-13 20:38:21	artefact	for example, mpv has many loudness normalization filters
2022-04-13 20:38:35	xecuter	artefact: atm i am using firefox
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2022-04-13 20:40:33	artefact	can you use another player? setting up a filterchain is somewhat involved
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2022-04-13 20:41:05	TheDcoder	artefact: they said Netflix and I doubt they can do anything to change how the player behaves
2022-04-13 20:41:23	Edu4rdSHL	TheDcoder, no
2022-04-13 20:41:30	Edu4rdSHL	There is not way
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2022-04-13 20:41:43	TheDcoder	Edu4rdSHL: That makes me a sad boy :(
2022-04-13 20:41:47	artefact	i can't find any simple way to hook a ffmpeg filter into pipewire. maybe there are available as ladspa plugins, that would be fairly simple to use
2022-04-13 20:41:52	TheDcoder	Oh well... I guess it's not something people often do
2022-04-13 20:42:02	Arsimael	Anyone can help me with my widi card? from now to then it's not showing up (Intel AX 210)
2022-04-13 20:42:16	Namarrgon	TheDcoder: filesystems usually work with offsets, changing all of them is usually not part of the design goals
2022-04-13 20:42:17	artefact	or do it in hardware maybe, many a/v receivers have a "night mode" if you use one
2022-04-13 20:42:19	xecuter	perhaps a setting in  /etc/pipewire/media-session.d/ ?
2022-04-13 20:42:22	Edu4rdSHL	Arsimael, is it showing on lspci?
2022-04-13 20:42:26	Arsimael	yep
2022-04-13 20:42:42	Edu4rdSHL	Have you checked rfkill ?
2022-04-13 20:43:10	artefact	xecuter: you can somewhat achieve what you want with a compressor. look into how to set up one on pulseaudio or pipewire
2022-04-13 20:43:16	TheDcoder	Namarrgon: I know, but it could've been a nice "hack". How hard can it be to just move the partition boundary and then add the difference to the offset of all inodes?
2022-04-13 20:43:32	Arsimael	Edu4rdSHL, rfkill gives no output
2022-04-13 20:43:48	Namarrgon	TheDcoder: apparently hard enough that nobody has done it yet
2022-04-13 20:43:51	TheDcoder	With that method one can avoid the long wait times and the beating the disk would take
2022-04-13 20:43:57	Edu4rdSHL	What's the output of `lspci -nnv`, Arsimael
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2022-04-13 20:44:11	TheDcoder	Namarrgon: You're right I'm afraid
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2022-04-13 20:44:53	TheDcoder	If I was a millionaire I'd pay the developers to work on that feature!
2022-04-13 20:45:11	Arsimael	Edu4rdSHL, Edu4rdSHL
2022-04-13 20:45:19	Arsimael	Edu4rdSHL,https://pastebin.com/xmBhx287
2022-04-13 20:45:20	phrik	Title: 09:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wi-Fi 6 AX210/AX211/AX411 1 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-04-13 20:45:20	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/ocmr.txt
2022-04-13 20:45:22	Arsimael	sorry
2022-04-13 20:45:22	TheDcoder	That makes me wonder... maybe one of the FS has that feature shipped in their utilities?
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2022-04-13 20:46:50	Edu4rdSHL	Arsimael, apparently it's loading the kernel module, is doesn't show up in `ip a` ?
2022-04-13 20:46:59	Arsimael	nope
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2022-04-13 20:47:23	Arsimael	bluetooth also doesn't show up
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2022-04-13 20:47:45	Edu4rdSHL	What's the output of `journalctl -rb`
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2022-04-14 07:00:43	imode	please, someone, save me from my misery. why in the world is this god-forsaken thing not working.
2022-04-14 07:24:51	imode	fixed the issue, but I can't believe that there's this giant incompatibility with kwallet.
2022-04-14 07:46:13	Strykar	So my previously installed Gnome extensions appear to be updated for v42 (https://extensions.gnome.org/#shell_version=42) but not a single extension works. How do I troubleshoot this?
2022-04-14 07:46:15	phrik	Title: GNOME Shell Extensions (at extensions.gnome.org)
2022-04-14 07:49:26	Strykar	hmm, gnome-shell is core dumping :/
2022-04-14 08:25:18	cyphertite	o/ anthraxx - on 5.16.20-hardened1-1-hardened, I am still seeing the same libbpf errors following boot that I first noticed under 5.16.17.  Updated results here:  http://ix.io/3V7v
2022-04-14 09:46:08	PowaBanga	hi everybody
2022-04-14 09:47:27	PowaBanga	i am try to connect to my skype account with skypeforlinux, but after entered my password, i just have a white windows where nothing happen... am i alone to have this problem ?
2022-04-14 09:47:50	susi	how are symlinks like firmware_node -> ../../LNXYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/PNP0A08:00/device:00 handled, as such path does not seem to exist in visible filesystem?
2022-04-14 10:04:46	lambda	susi: the target should exist
2022-04-14 10:05:41	susi	ah, it exists, sorry, nvm
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2022-04-14 10:23:19	ℹ 	g00fy7825 es conocido ahora como g00fy782
2022-04-14 10:23:19	ℹ 	dirac1 es conocido ahora como dirac
2022-04-14 10:23:19	ℹ 	baltazaar es conocido ahora como baltazar
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2022-04-14 10:25:17	sorta	fyi, mimeopen is xdg-open but better.
2022-04-14 10:25:23	sorta	random fact of the day
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2022-04-14 10:25:51	sorta	PowaBanga: what keyring are you using? Is it unlocked?
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2022-04-14 10:26:39	sorta	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNOME/Keyring I use this, works well. No problems in skype logging in and using whatsoever
2022-04-14 10:26:41	phrik	Title: GNOME/Keyring - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-04-14 10:33:33	ℹ 	d4gr5 es conocido ahora como d4gr
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2022-04-14 10:35:08	PowaBanga	thank you sorta it was that ! i will never found without your help 
2022-04-14 10:35:21	sorta	welcome :D
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2022-04-14 10:53:55	artefact	ok, it seems linux-5.17.2 is unbootable for me because it made nvme support modular, and for some reason mkinitcpio isn't bundling the nvme module. so the bug is in mkinitcpio (or pebkac)
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2022-04-14 11:05:33	Edu4rdSHL	artefact, it's working fine here
2022-04-14 11:05:40	Edu4rdSHL	5.17.3 too
2022-04-14 11:06:12	artefact	maybe there's something about my setup mkinitcpio doesn't like
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2022-04-14 11:10:19	pankaj	I have connected an external 3.5mm jack BM800 Mic to my hp elitebook laptop. However, the mic never gets detected in audacity. I tried opening and closing as well as disconnecting but no go. Even in 'dmesg --follow' nothing changes when I reconnect again.
2022-04-14 11:11:29	susi	missing a module?
2022-04-14 11:11:40	artefact	no, that's strange, nvme and nvme-core.ko get picked up and are in the initramfs
2022-04-14 11:12:14	susi	pankaj: have you ugraded your kernel without rebooting?
2022-04-14 11:12:17	artefact	pankaj: is it muted in eg alsamixer?
2022-04-14 11:12:21	susi	pankaj: uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2022-04-14 11:12:51	artefact	i doubt plugging a physical mike loads modules
2022-04-14 11:13:19	artefact	(usb mikes yes, because they're sound interfaces. not a jack one)
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2022-04-14 11:13:38	susi	good point
2022-04-14 11:13:53	sorta	mimeopen gives this error - Use of uninitialized value in subroutine entry at /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/File/BaseDir.pm line 105.
2022-04-14 11:13:55	sorta	what do i do?
2022-04-14 11:14:20	sorta	and it opens a plain text file in nvim in a new xterm window while xdg-open opens it in the current terminal
2022-04-14 11:14:48	pankaj	artefact: I checked and every option I have enabled.
2022-04-14 11:14:53	artefact	sorta: pacman -Qo /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/File/BaseDir.pm and report the bug upstream
2022-04-14 11:15:01	pankaj	artefact: but it does not get recognized by system.
2022-04-14 11:15:10	artefact	sorta: (make sure your system is up to date before doing that)
2022-04-14 11:15:38	sorta	i just updated my system now
2022-04-14 11:15:55	artefact	pankaj: what do you mean, not recognised? you should see a "microphone input" entry no matter if it's plugged in or not. do you use pulseaudio?
2022-04-14 11:16:13	sorta	artefact: do you think that is causing it to open in a new xterm window?
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2022-04-14 11:16:47	artefact	sorta: sorry, i have no idea
2022-04-14 11:17:37	artefact	it's not a real fix, but since you're already in a terminal, why not use nvim directly instead of mimeopen?
2022-04-14 11:18:04	sorta	im trying to script it for lf
2022-04-14 11:18:15	susi	lf?
2022-04-14 11:18:57	sorta	https://github.com/gokcehan/lf the better ranger :p
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2022-04-14 11:19:40	artefact	the lesser dired 👀 (/s)
2022-04-14 11:19:54	pankaj	artefact: I just know how to start and stop the daemon service but not much about pulseaudio.
2022-04-14 11:20:23	pankaj	artefact: However, even everything is enabled but still microphone does not gets recognized.
2022-04-14 11:20:31	artefact	pankaj: what do you see in "input devices" in pavucontrol?
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2022-04-14 11:20:44	sorta	till now, rifle is just better in my experience compared to my hacky shell script for opening files
2022-04-14 11:20:50	susi	pankaj: you have pavucontrol installed?
2022-04-14 11:21:04	sorta	im seriously considering just using rifle to use for opening files instead of my script
2022-04-14 11:21:25	susi	the best file manager: https://0x0.st/ocM_.png
2022-04-14 11:22:58	pankaj	susi: Yes
2022-04-14 11:23:22	ecraven	the best file manager is dired!
2022-04-14 11:23:24	sorta	https://github.com/sattopadhyay/dots/blob/main/.config/lf/lfrc is my current script
2022-04-14 11:23:48	sorta	the only problem is mimeopen opening plaintext stuff in new xterm windows
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2022-04-14 11:25:50	susi	sorta: check /usr/share/applications/nvim.desktop
2022-04-14 11:25:56	susi	and its Exec line
2022-04-14 11:26:11	sorta	there is no exec line
2022-04-14 11:26:31	sorta	https://0x0.st/ocMp.desktop
2022-04-14 11:26:42	susi	there is, Exec=nvim %F
2022-04-14 11:28:30	baltazar	hi! I faintly remember chromium having a file where it reads commandline flags from. do you happen to know where it is?
2022-04-14 11:29:22	sorta	susi: ah yes sorry
2022-04-14 11:29:27	sorta	so what does that mean?
2022-04-14 11:29:44	sorta	!give baltazar aw chromium
2022-04-14 11:29:46	phrik	baltazar: Chromium - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Chromium
2022-04-14 11:30:44	susi	and there #Making_flags_persistent
2022-04-14 11:30:46	baltazar	sorta: thanks! for whatever reason I didn't think the wiki had info about this :P
2022-04-14 11:30:51	sorta	:D
2022-04-14 11:31:09	susi	you didn't think Arch Wiki would have the info?? lol..
2022-04-14 11:31:55	sorta	i wonder why mimeopen wants to open it in xterm only!
2022-04-14 11:32:06	sorta	xdg-open opens in current terminal window just fine
2022-04-14 11:33:00	susi	sorta: do you have .config/mimeapps.list file?
2022-04-14 11:33:08	sorta	"Opening "bios" with Neovim  (application/x-shellscript)"
2022-04-14 11:33:13	sorta	it even shows this in the terminal
2022-04-14 11:33:17	sorta	and then opens in xterm :/
2022-04-14 11:33:26	sorta	susi: yes i do
2022-04-14 11:33:36	susi	sorta: post it
2022-04-14 11:33:44	sorta	application/x-shellscript=nvim.desktop;
2022-04-14 11:34:06	susi	I thought you were talking abotu text/plain files
2022-04-14 11:34:22	sorta	susi: https://0x0.st/ocM4.list
2022-04-14 11:34:34	sorta	no its got a #!/bin/sh
2022-04-14 11:35:19	baltazar	sorta: well, neovim is a terminal program, so it will have to launch inside a terminal, and I guess your terminal is set (/defaults) to xterm
2022-04-14 11:35:30	baltazar	@s
2022-04-14 11:35:33	baltazar	oops
2022-04-14 11:36:06	susi	sorta: run mimeopen with -D/--debug
2022-04-14 11:36:19	susi	or maybe -d/--ask-default
2022-04-14 11:37:04	sorta	https://0x0.st/ocMy.txt
2022-04-14 11:37:52	sorta	sattopadhyay isn't a very cool name is it?
2022-04-14 11:38:31	susi	sat to pad, hyay!\
2022-04-14 11:38:46	sorta	:D
2022-04-14 11:46:31	baltazar	sorta: I think setting the terminal emulator might be DE specific. e.g. in plasma, changing the setting just sets TerminalService in ~/.config/kdeglobals
2022-04-14 11:54:18	zeewark	Im building a kernel with makepkg, how can I prevend to build all over again, if I just made some changes with the config?
2022-04-14 11:56:20	mehrad	Hi, I just realized the `wipe` package in the Arch repo is out dated. What is the procedure to report that?
2022-04-14 12:01:48	post-factum	is it me only, or https://archlinux.org/releng/netboot/ for real shown html code instead of a proper webpage?
2022-04-14 12:01:48	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Netboot (at archlinux.org)
2022-04-14 12:01:54	post-factum	*shows
2022-04-14 12:03:00	jelle	rip
2022-04-14 12:03:08	jelle	post-factum: it shows nice html
2022-04-14 12:03:27	jelle	> Refused to apply inline style because it violates the following Content Security Policy directive: "default-src 'self'". Either the 'unsafe-inline' keyword, a hash ('sha256-4Su6mBWzEIFnH4pAGMOuaeBrstwJN4Z3pq/s1Kn4/KQ='),
2022-04-14 12:03:29	jelle	haha
2022-04-14 12:04:25	artefact	content-type: {security_banner: false} hmmmmmm
2022-04-14 12:04:47	artefact	the http equivalent of "what's your name?" "i'm 29 years old"
2022-04-14 12:05:27	post-factum	haveubeenpwnedyet
2022-04-14 12:05:51	jelle	I don't get the joke :P
2022-04-14 12:05:56	post-factum	me neither
2022-04-14 12:06:12	jelle	post-factum: anyway, I'll take a look tonight!
2022-04-14 12:06:25	post-factum	kthx :)
2022-04-14 12:06:35	jelle	dont see the obvious problem atm :|
2022-04-14 12:07:48	artefact	should be content-type: text/html
2022-04-14 12:08:27	jelle	artefact: right, that doesn't help :P
2022-04-14 12:08:38	artefact	(i'm one of the few weirdos that likes xhtml, so i use application/xhtml+xml)
2022-04-14 12:09:16	post-factum	indeed wtf // content-type: {'security_banner': False}
2022-04-14 12:09:52	post-factum	it is still like that btw ^^
2022-04-14 12:09:54	jelle	oha hahaha
2022-04-14 12:10:32	jelle	never trust PRs
2022-04-14 12:15:28	jelle	post-factum: check again
2022-04-14 12:22:37	post-factum	jelle: works now
2022-04-14 12:22:46	jelle	:)
2022-04-14 12:22:53	artefact	🎉
2022-04-14 12:23:31	sunyibo	what gui tool can I use to organize my displays on sway? like xrandr for wayland. If possible something in community
2022-04-14 12:24:16	Khorne	Isn't that the compositors job in wayland
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2022-04-14 12:24:46	Khorne	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Sway#Change_screen_resolution_after_start guess those work?
2022-04-14 12:24:48	phrik	Title: Sway - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-14 12:24:49	ds	sway does handle xrandr-like monitor lines in config, yeah
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2022-04-14 12:25:33	ds	wasn't there a gui that could generate xrandr configs? id guess its mostly compatible syntax
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2022-04-14 12:25:57	Khorne	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-04-14 12:26:02	Khorne	Beats me, still using xorg
2022-04-14 12:26:23	ds	heh, im using sway but only to avoid constant GPU hangs in lieu of finding a kernel that works
2022-04-14 12:27:32	ds	sunyibo: maybe try arandr/similar. ive never used an randr gui but they may behelpful somewhat
2022-04-14 12:27:32	mehrad	sunyibo: This is somethign Brodie talked about in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09mQAZAzwJg
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2022-04-14 13:01:34	sorta	baltazar: i use sway
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2022-04-14 13:10:38	mehrad	does anyone here know where to report an outdates package in Arch repo?
2022-04-14 13:11:02	Namarrgon	you can flag it OOD on its package page
2022-04-14 13:11:23	bookworm	flag as outdated in the web UI and continue on, if nothing happens for a bit, write a nice polite email to the maintainer
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2022-04-14 13:15:21	Foxboron	And please make sure it's actually correct
2022-04-14 13:16:19	mehrad	bookworm: I could not manage to find his email, nor his IRC nickname ro message him
2022-04-14 13:17:06	mehrad	Foxboron: It is correct as far as I can tell. The devs of that software migrated from Sourceforge to Github in 2009, and the version in Arch is still from the last stable release of the sourceforge time
2022-04-14 13:17:15	bookworm	mehrad: all maintainers have emails https://archlinux.org/people/trusted-users/
2022-04-14 13:17:15	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Trusted Users (at archlinux.org)
2022-04-14 13:17:26	bookworm	same for devs, just on a different page I assume
2022-04-14 13:17:37	sorta	mehrad: what package is this?
2022-04-14 13:18:08	mehrad	https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/wipe/
2022-04-14 13:18:10	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - wipe 2.3.1-5 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-04-14 13:18:41	mehrad	https://github.com/berke/wipe/commits/master
2022-04-14 13:19:11	mehrad	the commit on Jan 16 2009 shows that they migrated to GH
2022-04-14 13:19:36	Foxboron	This is some proper ancient software
2022-04-14 13:20:14	mehrad	seems to be a neat software that does what `shred` is not fully providing imho
2022-04-14 13:21:15	Foxboron	Completely useless on any modern ssd/nvme
2022-04-14 13:21:38	bookworm	also you're fighting all of kernel, libc, compiler and hardware...
2022-04-14 13:21:45	bookworm	all of them don't want you to do that, not at all
2022-04-14 13:22:18	mehrad	well, same as `shed` and probably `secur-delete`, but still a software that is very useful for HDD and ext4 I guess
2022-04-14 13:22:32	baltazar	sorta: well, then it depends on whatever you're using to start the .desktop file. e.g. in sway I use j4-dmenu-desktop --term=foot, if I open neovim from there it correctly opens in foot. however, if I open dolphin, opening a text with neovim will open in konsole since it uses kde's settings
2022-04-14 13:23:58	sorta	i am using mimeopen
2022-04-14 13:24:26	mehrad	bookworm: imho, my data + my hardware = my rules. If I need to wipe my disk, I should be able to. right? but that is beside the point I'm here for. The package on Arch repo is 7 years older than the last commit on github and that what I'm trying to report
2022-04-14 13:25:01	Scimmia	mehrad: 'the last commit' means nothing
2022-04-14 13:25:25	Scimmia	commits are not stable releases
2022-04-14 13:25:33	baltazar	sorta: apparently that just starts $TERMINAL
2022-04-14 13:25:37	mehrad	how about the latest stable release?
2022-04-14 13:25:41	mehrad	Nov 3rd 2016
2022-04-14 13:26:17	sorta	https://0x0.st/ocuK.txt
2022-04-14 13:26:22	sorta	I request the hardest of slaps
2022-04-14 13:28:11	jirido	When updating using aur, sudo often times out and I forget to check in after 5min, can I temporaraly extend sudo time to lets say 15min?
2022-04-14 13:28:18	mehrad	bookworm: Thanks for the suggestion. I just flagged it as outdated and provided some infor for the maintainer to assess the situation
2022-04-14 13:29:06	sorta	ok now it opens in foot (footclient) but it opens in a new window, I want it to open in the existing one, like it does with xdg open...
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2022-04-14 13:29:23	Scimmia	mehrad: looks like a fork, not a migration to github
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2022-04-14 18:52:04	tomty89	setpill: and whether the deps exists depends on whether you have installed them manually or whether what triggered by -s is successful
2022-04-14 18:52:41	tomty89	they won't be magically in the system just because they are listed in PKGBUILD
2022-04-14 18:52:49	tomty89	*in a
2022-04-14 18:53:36	tomty89	setpill: or perhaps you were merely asking whether prepare() is performed before or after the dep installation triggered by -s?
2022-04-14 18:54:20	setpill	I suppose so
2022-04-14 18:55:21	tomty89	after
2022-04-14 18:55:36	setpill	I'm running into a situation where an aur package build fails because a package listed in the makedepends, that is called in the prepare() function, isn't present at the time it's called
2022-04-14 18:55:44	setpill	I'm using pacaur as an aur helper
2022-04-14 18:55:53	setpill	So I was trying to figure out if this is a bug in pacaur or expected behaviour
2022-04-14 18:56:00	ayekat	setpill: which package?
2022-04-14 18:56:04	setpill	joplin-desktop
2022-04-14 18:56:10	setpill	(Is the aur package)
2022-04-14 18:56:18	setpill	yq is the package that's used in prepare()
2022-04-14 18:57:38	CarloWood	Anyone here who uses telegram?  My scroll wheel doesn't work anymore in that application :/.  I am wondering if this is normal under Arch, or that I should be able to get it working.
2022-04-14 18:57:46	tomty89	setpill: could you provide the full log?
2022-04-14 18:58:12	setpill	Sure
2022-04-14 18:58:14	setpill	!paste
2022-04-14 18:58:14	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-04-14 18:58:51	tomty89	CarloWood: but it works in other program?
2022-04-14 18:58:58	CarloWood	yes
2022-04-14 18:59:39	CarloWood	The vertical scroll bars in telegram just don't react at all on the scroll wheel.
2022-04-14 18:59:45	⚡ 	tomty89 suspects a qt regression
2022-04-14 19:00:00	Namarrgon	you use the telegram package from the arch repos?
2022-04-14 19:00:11	setpill	tomty89: https://bpa.st/T5PA
2022-04-14 19:00:12	phrik	Title: View paste T5PA (at bpa.st)
2022-04-14 19:00:49	Namarrgon	setpill: does it build with just makepkg?
2022-04-14 19:01:19	CarloWood	carlo       4127  0.0  1.1 2736156 380532 tty1   Sl   apr01  11:50 /usr/bin/telegram-desktop --
2022-04-14 19:01:27	CarloWood	/usr/bin/telegram-desktop is owned by telegram-desktop 3.6.1-1
2022-04-14 19:01:34	tomty89	setpill: you probably missed the stderr
2022-04-14 19:01:40	Namarrgon	CarloWood: -Syu
2022-04-14 19:02:10	tomty89	setpill: and I think the installation of deps failed because of outdated official repo in your system
2022-04-14 19:02:16	setpill	Nope
2022-04-14 19:02:25	setpill	Just did a full system update
2022-04-14 19:02:45	tomty89	hmm wait "WARNING: Skipping dependency checks."
2022-04-14 19:02:56	amogussy	ayo
2022-04-14 19:04:40	setpill	Namarrgon: well, no, but it does install yq and get further in the process before breaking
2022-04-14 19:04:47	CarloWood	Why is cudnn *always* being upgraded :/... it is way too large to upgrade every time :/...
2022-04-14 19:05:40	Namarrgon	setpill: then your yq issue is an aur-helper problem
2022-04-14 19:05:44	Scimmia	CarloWood: 3 upgrades so far this year, that doesn't seem that crazy
2022-04-14 19:05:46	CarloWood	Namarrgon: well, I'll reboot after it's done.
2022-04-14 19:06:00	setpill	Namarrgon: thanks for confirming, will file a bug report then
2022-04-14 19:06:22	CarloWood	Scimmia: well, it is being upgraded every time *I* run pacman -Syu :p
2022-04-14 19:09:28	jjholt	its taken me 2 weeks to notice that never installed man 
2022-04-14 19:10:00	tomty89	CarloWood: Btw I'd try telegram-desktop 3.4.2-1 and 3.4.2-2 from ALA and see if the problem is related to the switch to QT6
2022-04-14 19:10:04	tomty89	!ala
2022-04-14 19:10:04	phrik	Let's flip through it to hunt our lovely bugs: <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_Archive>. The Arch Linux Archive itself can be browsed at <https://archive.archlinux.org/>.
2022-04-14 19:11:03	tomty89	(Actually you might need to build with the corresponding PKGBUILDs yourself...since they are old)
2022-04-14 19:11:46	CarloWood	Is nobody else using telegram? :/  If it broke then it needs fixing no?
2022-04-14 19:12:19	setpill	Works for me
2022-04-14 19:12:24	tomty89	CarloWood: You can wait until somebody else isolates the cause, heh
2022-04-14 19:12:29	CarloWood	It used to work, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was caused by something like a switch to qt6
2022-04-14 19:12:53	CarloWood	tomty89: then first there must be other people that have the same problem...
2022-04-14 19:12:55	tomty89	Could be a regression in itself as well.
2022-04-14 19:12:58	pulec	I am looking for some cad software or something similar that would allow me to create a line, e.g length 2m, 45 degree angle
2022-04-14 19:13:21	setpill	I'm on community/telegram-desktop 3.6.1-3 without issue
2022-04-14 19:13:27	pulec	I used to use rhinoceros3d decades ago and that has great commandline prompts for that
2022-04-14 19:13:41	pulec	hm kicad is for pcbs
2022-04-14 19:13:47	Namarrgon	freecad?
2022-04-14 19:13:49	CarloWood	setpill: I'm still upgrading - I'll test 3.6.1-3 in a few
2022-04-14 19:13:52	setpill	openscad?
2022-04-14 19:13:53	pulec	!fight libcad freecad
2022-04-14 19:13:54	phrik	freecad
2022-04-14 19:14:05	CarloWood	lol
2022-04-14 19:14:17	Namarrgon	freecad is stupidly simple but it sure can draw two lines at an angle
2022-04-14 19:14:22	pulec	let's try openscad as well
2022-04-14 19:14:28	artefact	freecad sketcher is easy enough to pick up
2022-04-14 19:14:29	tomty89	CarloWood: whether you are on X or Wayland (or XWayland) might be relevant as well
2022-04-14 19:14:42	setpill	CarloWood: generally it would help to try the latest version before complaining a package isn't working, yes :P
2022-04-14 19:14:48	CarloWood	I'm using plasma with X
2022-04-14 19:14:57	Namarrgon	if you're familiar with autocad you'll feel right at home
2022-04-14 19:16:01	pulec	openscad is for 3d, librecad should do the 2d thing I need
2022-04-14 19:16:14	setpill	openscad does 2d too
2022-04-14 19:16:17	pulec	all I need is really to just draw a rectangle of a greenhouse scheme and a path lol
2022-04-14 19:16:25	Namarrgon	oh, sorry, i meant librecad
2022-04-14 19:16:35	Namarrgon	i get confused since they renamed it
2022-04-14 19:16:56	thrice	proably gogole sketch-up for something that simple, too
2022-04-14 19:17:02	pulec	setpill: I can't even find line in the gui
2022-04-14 19:17:05	pulec	librecad will do
2022-04-14 19:17:13	setpill	pulec: ah, that's because there's no gui :)
2022-04-14 19:17:40	setpill	you write a script that produces the shapes you want
2022-04-14 19:17:44	pulec	oh I see
2022-04-14 19:17:52	pulec	that's too much for me
2022-04-14 19:17:56	pulec	pacman -Rnsc openscad
2022-04-14 19:17:58	CarloWood	setpill: nah - I usually run pacman -Syu and immediately reboot.  If then three weeks later the bug triggers an annoyance threshold then it is still a consistent system that was up to date. If it was REALLY broken in 3.6.1-1 and fixed in 3.6.1-3 then it wouldn't be too weird to be known here, as a known issue. It seems very unlikely anyway that this will be fixed by such a minor upgrade.
2022-04-14 19:18:01	setpill	fair enough :D
2022-04-14 19:18:14	setpill	It's nice to be able to parametrize your models
2022-04-14 19:18:21	setpill	But for something simple it's a bit overkill yes
2022-04-14 19:18:22	pulec	setpill: thanks though, might be cool for some 3d printing or something
2022-04-14 19:21:34	CarloWood	warning: directory permissions differ on /var/lib/AccountsService/
2022-04-14 19:21:34	CarloWood	filesystem: 755  package: 775
2022-04-14 19:21:43	setpill	CarloWood: Still, having an outdated package is a troubleshooting factor that's easy to eliminate :)
2022-04-14 19:21:45	CarloWood	Why would that need to be 775 suddenly?
2022-04-14 19:21:50	CarloWood	drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 20 16 nov  2020 /var/lib/AccountsService//
2022-04-14 19:22:35	CarloWood	setpill: You see me resist? I typed 'pacman -Syu' second after Namarrgon told me to.
2022-04-14 19:22:41	CarloWood	seconds*
2022-04-14 19:22:51	CarloWood	anyway, rebooting now
2022-04-14 19:22:57	Namarrgon	hm?
2022-04-14 19:23:06	setpill	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-04-14 19:27:46	ds	Is hibernation still a 1:1-ish ram:swap ratio? afaict it should at least match "total used" when hibernating (assuming no use as actual swap) to guarantee space for shifting things around during resume
2022-04-14 19:27:48	ds	But, I can't find detail on any compression used to achieve the "best-effort upper limit" for image_size, or if the default 2/5 of "available RAM size" includes swap or not. Both could be feasible depending on compression, but only mention I see of that is an old 'hibernate=nocompress' boot param in the swsusp doc last revised ~20 years ago...
2022-04-14 19:28:25	ds	could anyone shed some light?
2022-04-14 19:29:54	CarloWood	Ok - scrolling works again, thanks Namarrgon ;)
2022-04-14 19:30:35	macinsight	... *sigh* Does anyone have a feasible way of disabling keyboard input if AFK? My cat keeps jumping on my keyboard to look out the window when I'm not at my desk.
2022-04-14 19:30:43	ds	unplug it
2022-04-14 19:31:01	macinsight	Can't, it's a laptop. And I can't really close it, since she does it also when I'm right infront of it.
2022-04-14 19:31:06	ds	Aha
2022-04-14 19:31:31	setpill	Lock the machine?
2022-04-14 19:31:40	macinsight	I mean, I could unscrew the thing and unplug it internally... The keyboard, not the cat.
2022-04-14 19:32:06	setpill	You might have to remove some noise from your password prompt but that should be fine
2022-04-14 19:32:26	CarloWood	A lock screen usually "locks" the keyboard.
2022-04-14 19:32:45	CarloWood	Pick a password that your cat can't guess and you should be safe.
2022-04-14 19:33:12	ds	if locking isn't an option, wonder if you could use keymapping tools (or something lower level) to essentially map everything to noop. perhaps a script that switches between a standard and locked config
2022-04-14 19:33:21	ds	much hacky though
2022-04-14 19:33:22	macinsight	Okay, I should have rephrased. She doesn't give a damn if I'm actively working on it or not, she just jumps on it and expects me to pet her. I mean, she *is* a cat, after all.
2022-04-14 19:33:42	setpill	Well, you asked for disabling keyboard if afk... Lockscreen would work for that
2022-04-14 19:33:48	damjan	put a chip on the cat, and when it's close to the laptop, lock it
2022-04-14 19:34:03	ds	macinsight: what you need is custom keycaps with inbuilt paw detection
2022-04-14 19:34:06	mpan	ds: it’s probabilistic: there is never 100% certainity it will work. And the probability is easy to estimate. You need as much swap as you use memory n% of time to achieve n% at least success rate. “At least” because of the compression, which will ensure the actual swap usage stays below that. Also note: “use MEMORY”, not “use RAM”. If you look for a specific compression
2022-04-14 19:34:06	mpan	distribution, I 
2022-04-14 19:34:12	mpan	can’t provide that, but I would not depend on that heavily for practical purposes.
2022-04-14 19:34:13	macinsight	Yeaaah... I'm not exactly fully there right now. Got a beast of a headache, been sick for weeks now.
2022-04-14 19:34:22	setpill	As to disabling keyboard input when your hands are literally on it... I'm not sure that's possible
2022-04-14 19:34:26	mpan	*at least n% success rate
2022-04-14 19:35:01	setpill	Maybe a hotkey combo to lock your screen that you can hit fast enough when you see a furry blur leap up from the corner of your eye
2022-04-14 19:35:21	rcf	Locking the screen is all that will work 
2022-04-14 19:35:48	mpan	ds: so, basically, if your anonymous pages + tmpfs size (in RAM and in swap, together) is below 1GB 95% of time, having 1GB swap for hibernation will work at least 95% of time.
2022-04-14 19:36:00	macinsight	In all honesty, I like the idea with the tag locking the machine...
2022-04-14 19:36:19	macinsight	I could always check if a decoy keyboard works.
2022-04-14 19:36:28	macinsight	With my last one, it _usually_ did.
2022-04-14 19:36:33	rcf	macinsight: you could add an occupancy sensor from a car seat to your computer chair to autolock whenever you stand up 
2022-04-14 19:36:41	setpill	Lmao
2022-04-14 19:37:25	ds	mpan: thanks - I wasn't explicitly looking for compression, more enlightenment on how it achives the best-efforts mentioned in the kernel doc. what you've said is quite reassuring 
2022-04-14 19:37:34	macinsight	rcf: Given that I'm already running hass.io, that would be feasible. THing is, the laptop moves around. So far, the decoy keyboard, the collar or similar should work.
2022-04-14 19:38:01	mpan	ds: `free -h`: sum both “used” columns, add tmpfs size… you are good to go if that corresponds to your typical load. The value is not exact, as there will be some other things, like things kernel itself stores, but this is why I also ignore compression — they kinda negate each other.
2022-04-14 19:38:03	macinsight	Once I have a proper desk in my new flat, I'm sure to add a sensor to my chair as well. Good for turning on the LED strips, too.
2022-04-14 19:38:11	ds	currently have 16G and average around 12 used (but no swap at all) which would change as even swappiness=0 doesn't guarantee not using it on the new system that has 32G
2022-04-14 19:38:44	demonicmaniac1	disabling swap altogether is never good. swappiness=0 is very silly
2022-04-14 19:38:48	mpan	12GB actually used? The “used” column? :o
2022-04-14 19:39:02	demonicmaniac1	at least put 1, have a teensy swapfile and zswap
2022-04-14 19:39:14	macinsight	Hm, she does not like the idea of being stopped from messing with my work, judging from her meowing. She keeps talking back at me.
2022-04-14 19:39:19	artefact	used as in, anon pages? or active pages?
2022-04-14 19:39:55	mpan	If you are worried about having swap enabled, you may wish to first read this: <https://chrisdown.name/2018/01/02/in-defence-of-swap.html>. Many people scared of swap acquired wrong perspective on its role.
2022-04-14 19:40:00	pulec	cad done! https://0x0.st/ocQQ.png
2022-04-14 19:40:01	mpan	artefact: anon pages
2022-04-14 19:40:04	rcf	Disabling swap altogether is fine. 
2022-04-14 19:40:09	ds	mpan: heh, mostof it is normally cached stuff from browser. right now im at 4877 used
2022-04-14 19:40:13	rcf	With caveats. 
2022-04-14 19:40:21	pulec	3x4.5m greenhouse, with 20cm paths, 70cm on edges, with 60+60cm inside
2022-04-14 19:40:32	artefact	swap won't get you out of memory pressure scenarios. but it offers a fairer eviction strategy to the kernel
2022-04-14 19:40:41	artefact	(swap still kind of sucks, though)
2022-04-14 19:40:46	macinsight	pulec: What're you growing?
2022-04-14 19:40:53	jjholt	im at 1006MB used out of 11787MB
2022-04-14 19:40:54	VIA	oof the .desktop file opened in a text editor is a plain mess why lord whyhave i deserved his xD
2022-04-14 19:40:55	demonicmaniac1	zswap is in memory compressed though
2022-04-14 19:40:57	rcf	mpan: many proponents of swap don't understand the actual memory usage patterns of any given use case. 
2022-04-14 19:41:03	pulec	carrots, cucumbers, salats, etc
2022-04-14 19:41:11	ds	artefact: yeah, the only reason im considering swap at all is to enable hibernation. if my RAM comes close to being full, it means something's misbehaving
2022-04-14 19:41:15	ds	for that i have nohang-git
2022-04-14 19:41:19	Warepire	macinsight: Another option could be a BLE chip on your cat. Then you can measure your cats distance to the laptop and do "if distance < safe: do_screen_lock()"
2022-04-14 19:41:22	pulec	will see what is ideal for the soil and conditions there, it's all a project macinsight really
2022-04-14 19:41:27	Warepire	Using RSSI
2022-04-14 19:41:28	VIA	i expected a bit of gibberish, but its a ton. soo much data for a teenyweeny micro-link oO
2022-04-14 19:41:34	demonicmaniac1	and there is a load of useless cruft that can be swapped out that otherwise would just sit there keeping ram occupied and not being able to be used for smarter things like filesystem caches
2022-04-14 19:41:39	mpan	artefact: ds: though swap is not used for out-of-memory conditions. Used that way is some 90s Windows idea. :)
2022-04-14 19:41:47	pulec	to show that no dig greenhouse can work and there is no need to replace tons of soil every 2 years like my silly mother does with the old greenhouse macinsight 
2022-04-14 19:41:47	mpan	rcf: what do you mean?
2022-04-14 19:42:41	macinsight	pulec: Cool idea!
2022-04-14 19:43:28	rcf	mpan: when there is no measurable use of swap, disabling it cannot cause any issue. Address space is address space; believing that an untouched swap space has any impact on it is the memory management equivalent of homeopathy. 
2022-04-14 19:44:45	artefact	no swap is telling the kernel "you'll have to evict page cache you know is likely active instead of evicting anon pages you know are likely inactive"
2022-04-14 19:45:08	artefact	it's not a get out of jail free for memory pressure
2022-04-14 19:45:35	rcf	If swap is not utilized in order to optimize cache, this is a bug in the kernel, not a true benefit of swap. 
2022-04-14 19:46:18	rcf	It's one thing if it's where inactive pages go to die; it's another when it is doing absolutely nothing. 
2022-04-14 19:46:40	jjholt	I'm really out of date. Here I thought you still needed swap equal ram for hibernation 
2022-04-14 19:47:38	CarloWood	Why is it so hard to throw things away :/.  My box of "computer cables" is full - but it "pains" me (is difficult) to throw away old SATA cable, DVI-DVI cables and even DVI-VGA cables :/
2022-04-14 19:47:51	ds	demonicmaniac1: how does the kernel deal with zswap when hibernating? does it see it as any other data in ram or does it have to be moved out of zswap first
2022-04-14 19:48:28	ds	seen a few places mention using zswap to help prevent swapping to the real swap partition so it's something im considering
2022-04-14 19:48:46	mpan	rcf: sure, *if* there is evidence it is not used. Which is not the general case.
2022-04-14 19:48:54	demonicmaniac1	zswap and zram are 2 very different things and frontzswap should be auto enabled since forever now?
2022-04-14 19:49:30	Foxboron	Which frontends do people use for their firewalls? ufw, nftables or filewalld?
2022-04-14 19:49:44	mpan	rcf: in my case 100–200MB of swap being used is normal after running for some time. And the only reason it’s not at ~2GB is because I manually limit one of the programs, preventing it polluting file cache.
2022-04-14 19:49:49	Foxboron	Preferable some files involved so I can package up my stuff later
2022-04-14 19:49:52	demonicmaniac1	essentially frontzswap is a smart way to keep a compressed in memory cache for compressible pages and also same page deduplication - what cannot be compressed gets sent out to actual swap
2022-04-14 19:49:54	sorta	Foxboron: i prefer ufw
2022-04-14 19:50:01	mpan	Foxboron: ufw here. Not because I find it particularly good, but because I am lazy.
2022-04-14 19:50:06	sorta	me too
2022-04-14 19:50:14	Foxboron	Perfect
2022-04-14 19:50:15	jjholt	Foxboron: firewall? I let my cable modem handle that 
2022-04-14 19:50:17	CarloWood	Foxboron: I'm using ufw
2022-04-14 19:50:30	sorta	Foxboron: what project is this a part of??
2022-04-14 19:50:30	Foxboron	jjholt: If it only was that simple!
2022-04-14 19:50:39	ds	Foxboron: firewall? what firewall :p
2022-04-14 19:50:44	rcf	I like nftables, but I am a weirdo who likes more work for himself 
2022-04-14 19:50:47	Foxboron	Soooooo
2022-04-14 19:51:04	Foxboron	I have tailscale, right? And I does internal magic where I can expose my services across machines through their ACL
2022-04-14 19:51:10	Foxboron	the issue is that I went "haha no open ports"
2022-04-14 19:51:17	Foxboron	and fucking spotify opens ports on 0.0.0.0
2022-04-14 19:51:30	Foxboron	So I went "ah fuck" and now really just contemplating having a deny all
2022-04-14 19:51:36	damjan	:)
2022-04-14 19:52:09	⚡ 	CarloWood h4x0R$ ds
2022-04-14 19:52:14	Foxboron	and I have silly things like software KVM stuff running on my laptops, and I actively loose track of where the processes are
2022-04-14 19:52:19	demonicmaniac1	ds: zswap has no effect on hibernation per se
2022-04-14 19:52:19	damjan	is it http ? probably some XSRF exploits too
2022-04-14 19:52:25	Foxboron	So I sometimes run around with open ports that can maybe do shit
2022-04-14 19:52:43	astralc	spotify - listen to the world while you listen to the world
2022-04-14 19:52:56	damjan	hahah
2022-04-14 19:52:58	Foxboron	So I thought maybe I should contemplate have a loose firewall setup just for the fuck of it
2022-04-14 19:53:03	CarloWood	While the world listens to you?
2022-04-14 19:53:17	Foxboron	I have a twitch channel and I'm not afraid of using it
2022-04-14 19:53:38	dss	any recommendations for a pkg tool that can install from aur? 
2022-04-14 19:53:39	ds	demonicmaniac1: thanks, gotta go read up on the diffs between that and zram - seen both mentioned but forget which one was used in this context
2022-04-14 19:53:58	iio7	dss, yay is pretty good
2022-04-14 19:53:58	Foxboron	ahhh, i can hook up nmcli and firewalld to have zones. Nice
2022-04-14 19:54:02	CarloWood	I used to have two firewalls, and ran only daemons on my PC that I wrote myself (security through obscurity)...
2022-04-14 19:54:29	rcf	For my laptop the nm+firewalld approach works well because of zones 
2022-04-14 19:54:37	CarloWood	but now I rely on Arch Security to keep my PC and money safe!
2022-04-14 19:54:44	Foxboron	rcf: ufw doesn't expose the zones it seems?
2022-04-14 19:55:00	demonicmaniac1	ds: tl;dr zram bad zswap good
2022-04-14 19:55:20	ds	demonicmaniac1: I may ultimately just slap a 45G swap on there and pray it doesn't get used. still leaves me with 420G to play with for the system :)
2022-04-14 19:55:43	artefact	they're both good for different purposes
2022-04-14 19:56:18	jjholt	dss: I haven't had any problems with paru 
2022-04-14 19:56:18	demonicmaniac1	dunno zram is really dumb with no integration into kernel memory management and the overhead of a file system on a tmpfs
2022-04-14 19:56:21	artefact	i use zram with swappiness=200, usually nets me an extra gig for page cache
2022-04-14 19:56:32	demonicmaniac1	zswap is infinitely better
2022-04-14 19:56:34	artefact	zram is not a filesystem
2022-04-14 19:57:13	DeepDayze	not a true filesystem but compressed ram that can be used as temp space
2022-04-14 19:57:39	DeepDayze	my big rig has 64GB RAM and can use some of that for fast compiles when building packages
2022-04-14 19:57:43	artefact	it's a block device. you can use it as a filesystem, but usually you just swapon it
2022-04-14 19:57:54	DeepDayze	if you want to use it as swap
2022-04-14 19:58:10	DeepDayze	but more useful as a temp folder space
2022-04-14 19:58:12	demonicmaniac1	right, i meant blockdevice abstraction which does have overhead
2022-04-14 19:58:25	astralc	so it is like tmpfs?
2022-04-14 19:58:34	artefact	no. tmpfs *is* a filesystem
2022-04-14 19:58:34	DeepDayze	yeah  but compressed
2022-04-14 19:58:47	rcf	Foxboron: it doesn't; they want to be as simple as possible, so they instead aim to deny by default everywhere and instead let you define any application exceptions to be easily added temporarily as you need them from the CLI 
2022-04-14 19:58:58	DeepDayze	you can point a tmpfs to zram I am sure
2022-04-14 19:59:21	DeepDayze	that be great for your compiles
2022-04-14 19:59:29	Foxboron	rcf: firewalld has a deny all default or?
2022-04-14 19:59:46	artefact	the idea of zram is to let the kernel compress inactive anon pages to make more space for the page cache
2022-04-14 19:59:48	Foxboron	I'll just go firwalld.. this looks neat
2022-04-14 19:59:59	artefact	that usually works great, as anon pages are highly compressible, in the 3 to 4:1 range
2022-04-14 20:00:31	artefact	again, it's NOT a solution for getting out of memory pressure
2022-04-14 20:00:51	demonicmaniac1	but it is dumber than frontzwap and more abstraction so i don't quite get where zram would benefit more than zswap in any way with frontzswap - aside from zswap requiring a backing swap device and zram not
2022-04-14 20:01:25	artefact	"zswap is infinitely better! never mind that it's a completely different thing and requires a block device"
2022-04-14 20:01:33	ds	heh
2022-04-14 20:01:36	artefact	i'll stop arguing here :-)
2022-04-14 20:01:39	demonicmaniac1	you can configure the pool for both, you can set compressor for both, same filled pages dedup for both etc just that frontzswap has lru and intercept not needing block device abstraction
2022-04-14 20:02:12	ds	imo the only fix for actual memory pressure is more memory. more often than not though that pressure is caused by something leaky that just needs a swift kick to the rear
2022-04-14 20:02:14	Nitrousoxide_	Could anyone help me get an idea of how to size my /home/ and root partitions? I will be the only user of this system and I intend to keep large files (like games installs and movies) on a separate drive. I'm installing on a 256gb drive.
2022-04-14 20:03:03	Foxboron	Why do you think you need seperate partitions?
2022-04-14 20:03:13	ds	Nitrousoxide: id just lump them in one on a disk that small
2022-04-14 20:03:21	demonicmaniac1	ds: not quite also depends on things like dirty writeback and timeout and e.g. reading from a faster device and writing to a slower
2022-04-14 20:03:32	CarloWood	Because if a partition runs full you don't want everything to run out of diskspace.
2022-04-14 20:03:50	demonicmaniac1	can easily fill up 20gb+ of cache in memory that way unless you want reads to stall based on writeout speed
2022-04-14 20:04:14	Foxboron	CarloWood: is that worth the overhead of managing the partitions? Doubt it. It's a home computer
2022-04-14 20:04:18	CarloWood	I have 11 partitions, not counting /dev, /dev/shm, /tmp and /run/user/1000
2022-04-14 20:04:33	ds	that sounds... painful
2022-04-14 20:04:45	CarloWood	It is for me. I never need to do maintenance anyway?
2022-04-14 20:05:45	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-04-14 20:06:26	CarloWood	Nitrousoxide_: it is very personal how much /home you need though - and VERY depending on what you with things like ~/Videos and ~/Pictures.  I use a /home of 35 GB and still have to store large files elsewhere (on a partition of 6.6T).
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2022-04-14 20:06:42	CarloWood	what you do* with..
2022-04-14 20:07:29	rcf	Nitrousoxide: go LVM and avoid the need to worry about being locked-in to your initial choice. 
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2022-04-14 20:09:19	demonicmaniac1	artefact: i was really curious not trying to be offensive or wiseass. i "thought" they were pretty much identical just frontzswap being tighter integrated into the actual kernel memory management letting it do smarter things with lru. i guess zram indeed cannot ever reject compress poor so i guess the idea in your specific case is to make sure like mlock that the page cache is never ever written
2022-04-14 20:09:25	demonicmaniac1	out to backing slow disk - so zram == mlock, zswap just more "ram" i guess?
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2022-04-14 20:11:11	CarloWood	Hmm, I see I have symlinks from ~/Music ~/Pictures and ~/Videos the rest is in the /home partition. The reason I use 26G at the moment is mostly `~/projects` that contains my (compiled) source code (9 G). Then I have 1.8G emails, 1.6G in Downloads 1G in ~/blender ...
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2022-04-14 20:13:17	Nitrousoxide	Well I'm actually following Lennart Poettering's suggestions for a secure FDE setup, but now that I think about it a seperate /home/ and root partition may not be necessary for a single-user system
2022-04-14 20:13:45	rcf	Nitrousoxide: wouldn't he be suggesting homed these days 
2022-04-14 20:13:55	Nitrousoxide	He does
2022-04-14 20:13:56	CarloWood	Nitrousoxide: 256G is not going to be enough though; not if you want to store any movies and stuff like that. Also not if you want to store source code of packages and compile them yourself. 
2022-04-14 20:14:32	rcf	They already said they have a separate drive for that 
2022-04-14 20:14:38	CarloWood	I have
2022-04-14 20:14:39	Nitrousoxide	Movies and games are going on a separate 4TB and 2TB drive, respectfully.
2022-04-14 20:14:41	CarloWood	/dev/mapper/NVME1T1-root       4.2G  155M  3.8G   4% /
2022-04-14 20:14:41	CarloWood	/dev/mapper/NVME1T1-usr         34G   20G   13G  60% /usr
2022-04-14 20:14:41	Numero	if i've cloned a git repo of something totally separate from any arch package, is there some special way to kick off a build ? the README just points me to a page that shows where the giyhub repo is
2022-04-14 20:15:11	CarloWood	/dev/nvme0n1p2                 2.1G   98M  1.9G   6% /boot
2022-04-14 20:15:17	Nitrousoxide	Movies are eventually getting migrated to a NAS, actually, but I digress. 
2022-04-14 20:15:21	CarloWood	/dev/mapper/NVME1T1-var        8.6G  1.5G  6.9G  18% /var
2022-04-14 20:15:26	rcf	Numero: totally application-specific 
2022-04-14 20:15:51	artefact	Numero: check the aur, or the project's readme/install
2022-04-14 20:16:16	rcf	Numero: there are as many weird build systems out there as there are things to build with them. 
2022-04-14 20:16:19	ℹ 	Iamthehuman es conocido ahora como Iamthehuman1
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2022-04-14 20:16:31	artefact	i still have nightmares about autoconf/automake
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2022-04-14 20:16:51	rcf	I can tolerate those out of familiarity. 
2022-04-14 20:16:58	Nitrousoxide	rcf: If you're interested here's the article https://0pointer.net/blog/authenticated-boot-and-disk-encryption-on-linux.html, skip to the section titled "How to Encrypt/Authenticate the User's Home Directory"
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2022-04-14 20:17:35	rcf	What I dislike most are the I Can't Believe It's Not Autotools™ variants out there which are as irritating to use but requiring their own special configuration options if they offer them at all. 
2022-04-14 20:17:42	Numero	artefact: again, readme just gives a circular reference :)
2022-04-14 20:17:50	rcf	Numero: what is this repo, then? 
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2022-04-14 20:18:14	rcf	The only way to tell is by what's in it 
2022-04-14 20:18:22	Numero	rcf: https://travis-ci.org/metomi/rose
2022-04-14 20:18:23	phrik	Title: Travis CI - Test and Deploy Your Code with Confidence (at travis-ci.org)
2022-04-14 20:19:02	CarloWood	I find cmake *slightly* better than autoconf.
2022-04-14 20:19:16	artefact	Numero: https://metomi.github.io/rose/doc/html/installation.html
2022-04-14 20:19:16	phrik	Title: Installation — Rose Documentation 2019.01.2 documentation (at metomi.github.io)
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2022-04-14 20:19:56	Numero	artefact: yeah, that's where i got the link; thanks for that
2022-04-14 20:20:14	rcf	It's Python, so there's not a traditional build step required. 
2022-04-14 20:20:26	Numero	rcf: ah, i see
2022-04-14 20:20:27	◣	kill (~killown@user/killown) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-04-14 20:20:32	CarloWood	autoconf stuff is hardcode shit for hackers with 10 years time and a perfect memory; while cmake only requires 5 years and a half-perfect memory and watching loads of youtubes and reading docs. In the end I think it better structured, but you is very hard and time consuming to find out HOW to do that.
2022-04-14 20:20:43	rcf	I tend to prefer meson 
2022-04-14 20:20:55	CarloWood	but it* is
2022-04-14 20:21:13	artefact	as much as i hate language-specific package managers, npm/cargo are a blessing to somewhat unify the ecosystem
2022-04-14 20:21:35	artefact	good luck managing your ten C dependencies with ten different build systems
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2022-04-14 20:22:08	artefact	(if you just stick to dynamic linking and pkg-config, it's not too bad)
2022-04-14 20:22:11	CarloWood	The only thing worse than a hard-to-use-tool is having a large choice of tools.  In the old days it was autoconf, done.  Now you need 2 years just to decide what you will start to learn.
2022-04-14 20:22:18	astralc	managing c dependencies... lol
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2022-04-14 20:23:06	Numero	rcf: but of what little the docs do say, it says to add /rose/bin to your PATH and have at - but at the outset there's no .../bin in the tree. maybe just run setup.py in the top of the cloned tree?
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2022-04-14 20:23:22	artefact	as much as i dislike autotools, at least distro packagers are used to correctly packaging those
2022-04-14 20:23:25	⚡ 	CarloWood goes back to #C++-general ;)
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2022-04-14 20:33:31	tomty89	Anyone also experiencing this? Try to confirm whether it is indeed a regression or is due to some configuration missing https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/4844
2022-04-14 20:33:33	phrik	Title: toolbar icon failure in non-gnome gtk3 apps (#4844) · Issues · GNOME / gtk · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
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2022-04-14 20:39:29	Numero	rcf: I figured it out by stumbling around. the process consisted of python3 setup.py build && sudo python3 setup.py install
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2022-04-14 20:42:31	tomty89	dirty
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2022-04-14 20:43:33	rcf	You probably shouldn't do that 
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2022-04-14 20:56:37	amaurea	Can anybody get v4l2loopback-dkms to work? For me it appears to install properly, but looking carefully there's a warning (that should maybe be an error): Bad return status for module build on kernel: 5.13.12-arch1-1-beacon. The log file says: incompatible gcc/plugin versions. Searching the web, I see that many have had the same issue before.
2022-04-14 20:56:57	amaurea	But it's usually explained as the kernel being compiled with a different version of gcc than the one installed on the system
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2022-04-15 08:58:06	sensille	very strange. i'm trying to bind headset control play/pause/next/prev with xbindkeys. it work, except for XF86AudioPlay, which xbindkeys seems to ignore. only when i map it as "m:0x10 + c:208" it works
2022-04-15 09:33:57	NetSysFire	sensille: what does xev say?
2022-04-15 09:40:08	sensille	state 0x10, keycode 208 (keysym 0x1008ff14, XF86AudioPlay)
2022-04-15 09:40:16	sensille	only if xbindkeys is not running
2022-04-15 09:45:20	NetSysFire	yeah because it grabs the key
2022-04-15 09:45:34	NetSysFire	try one of the ones that dont work with the XF86 sequence
2022-04-15 09:50:14	sensille	so if i run xbindkeys with "Mod2 + XF86AudioPlay" configured, it still comes through in xev. while it does not when it is configured as m:0x10 + c:208
2022-04-15 09:50:47	NetSysFire	remove everything with xf86* from xbindkeys and try the keys which do not work in xev
2022-04-15 09:51:37	sensille	is that different from stopping xbindkeys completely?
2022-04-15 09:51:47	megumin	> wireplumber[8858]: Failed to set scheduler settings: operation not permitted
2022-04-15 09:51:49	megumin	help
2022-04-15 09:52:03	NetSysFire	sensille: i dont know but probably not
2022-04-15 09:54:21	megumin	i have no sound
2022-04-15 09:55:13	sensille	so i can map XF86Audio{Pause,Next,Prev} in xbindkeys, but not XF86AudioPlay. without xbindkeys, all show up as expected in xev
2022-04-15 09:55:42	sensille	with xbindkeys running, none except *Play shows up in xev
2022-04-15 09:55:58	sensille	NetSysFire: not quite sure what else you're asking me to test
2022-04-15 09:56:41	NetSysFire	that sounds to me like something went wrong in xbindkeys. can you paste the relevant part of your config?
2022-04-15 09:56:49	NetSysFire	does it have some kind of --verbose or --debug?
2022-04-15 10:00:46	sensille	yes, but the ignored key does not show up in verbose mode
2022-04-15 10:00:47	sensille	!paste
2022-04-15 10:00:48	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-04-15 10:01:41	sensille	https://paste.rs/U7C
2022-04-15 10:03:11	sensille	i does not work with "Mod2 + " either
2022-04-15 10:03:28	sensille	i just tested if that makes a difference
2022-04-15 10:04:09	uuidNuniq	why is ldns required by openssh?
2022-04-15 10:06:45	jelle	uuidNuniq: for dns resolving in ssh
2022-04-15 10:16:24	Zetta1Reid0	Hello, I  see at NVIDIA page of wiki at the Hardware accelerated video encoding wth NVEC section it says nvidia driver should have a  udev rule, but it isn't present in my system.Is the information relavent ?
2022-04-15 10:19:43	Zetta1Reid0	nvm it is.
2022-04-15 11:13:32	rgl	at https://github.com/rgl/arch-vagrant/blob/main/install.sh I'm trying to use pacstrap, but it keeps failing while its initializing the pacman keyring (please see https://github.com/rgl/arch-vagrant/blob/main/pacstrap-pacman-keyring-initialization-error.png). can you please help me figure out why this is failing? do you known if there a way to tell pacstrap to keep trying?
2022-04-15 11:14:18	jelle	rgl: we provide official vagrant boxes btw
2022-04-15 11:15:05	rgl	I want to create my own.
2022-04-15 11:15:38	jelle	rgl: it looks like your install doesn't have a keyring initialized?
2022-04-15 11:16:04	jelle	rgl: this is while pacstrapping?
2022-04-15 11:16:18	rgl	it is. pacstrap is doing that and its failing.
2022-04-15 11:16:26	jelle	huh
2022-04-15 11:16:45	jelle	I wonder if that uses the hosts keyring
2022-04-15 11:16:46	rgl	I though it was a temporary thing. but it does not seem so, because this is failing since yesterday :-(
2022-04-15 11:17:10	jelle	rgl: anyway "failed to initialize the pacman keyring"
2022-04-15 11:17:11	rgl	(I only started doing this yesterday)
2022-04-15 11:17:19	jelle	no "failed to start"
2022-04-15 11:17:46	jelle	what are you using as VM?
2022-04-15 11:18:08	rgl	I'm using qemu kvm
2022-04-15 11:18:22	jelle	rgl: and that has a borked keyring it seems
2022-04-15 11:19:45	rgl	I'm not sure what is borking it. I'm just using archlinux-2022.04.05-x86_64.iso and following the arch installation guide.
2022-04-15 11:20:54	rgl	e.g. a strait pacstrap /mnt base without anything fancy.
2022-04-15 11:21:29	rgl	the only change was ParallelDownloads = 5 in /etc/pacman.conf
2022-04-15 11:22:21	rgl	so I'm rally lost on this one. the pacman FAQ has a way to reinitialize the keychain, but I'm not sure how to force pacstrap into doing that :(
2022-04-15 11:23:05	⚡ 	jelle wonders if rgl read what I said
2022-04-15 11:24:17	rgl	you mean to use pacstrap -G Avoid copying the host’s pacman keyring to the target?
2022-04-15 11:24:23	jelle	rgl: no no no
2022-04-15 11:24:44	jelle	rgl: you boot a VM which shows clearly that there is an issue with initializating the keyring (a systemd service)
2022-04-15 11:24:50	jelle	get it's log and figure out why
2022-04-15 11:26:15	rgl	in the logs of the machine running pacstrap?
2022-04-15 11:26:42	jelle	rgl: yes, it's clearly shown in your screenshot that it fails
2022-04-15 11:34:47	rgl	I failing to find any relevant log in the host or in /mnt/var/log :-(
2022-04-15 11:37:13	drathir_tor	rgl: systemctl status pacman-init.service tells anything ?
2022-04-15 11:38:49	powftw	Sometimes my keyboard is not working right after booting. I've to reinsert the USB cord to start using my external keyboard in my laptop. 
2022-04-15 11:38:59	powftw	Is there something that has to be done in config?
2022-04-15 11:39:45	rgl	I did a systemctl restart pacman-init and I now see errors alike: pacman-key line 377 write error broken pipe
2022-04-15 11:41:40	drathir_tor	rgl: from curiosity this isnt low resources setup in meaning did You have enough ram for vm ?
2022-04-15 11:42:08	rgl	drathir_tor, oh that might be. it only has 2G.
2022-04-15 11:43:54	drathir_tor	rgl: not hurts to try bump it a little if any differs it made...
2022-04-15 11:46:18	rgl	drathir_tor, did not help with 4G
2022-04-15 11:46:33	rgl	nor using pacstrap -G :-(
2022-04-15 11:47:42	jelle	that makes sense as the arch iso requires > 512MB
2022-04-15 11:48:18	rgl	I think 2G would be more that enough thou.
2022-04-15 11:48:28	drathir_tor	rgl: next probably would check if its not somehow wrongly set size of /tmp for some crazy small vaules...
2022-04-15 11:49:24	rgl	its set to 2G
2022-04-15 11:49:51	rgl	half the current RAM of 4G
2022-04-15 11:52:00	drathir_tor	jelle: in theory should works yea however in few cases had pacstrap randomly killed under low spec ~2G setups thats why wonders if not worth a check...
2022-04-15 11:52:21	jelle	interesting, have never observed that
2022-04-15 11:58:10	artefact	the archiso won't even boot if you have less than 1g of ram, last time i tried
2022-04-15 11:58:26	artefact	something about compression
2022-04-15 11:59:44	drathir_tor	jelle: yea agree it was strange/odd even if that was definitely old-ish ones devices and wouldnt surprised if that would somehow extra connected with hdd wear out even if smart not reporting any issues... i remember just add extra ram just for install made successful pacstrap run and take off added one ram after installation not causing issues with run and upgrading... 
2022-04-15 12:04:07	drathir_tor	artefact: wouldnt be surprised if its not load/buffer the needed part of image into ram and just read when needs extra from iso... 
2022-04-15 12:04:56	rgl	I think I known what is going on. I'm booting archiso and using a script=http://10.0.0.1/install.sh script. BUT that script is executed before the pacman-init.service is finished. so install.sh is running before the system reached the graphical systemd target
2022-04-15 12:06:06	rgl	so it seems that, at the time pacstrap copies the keys to /mnt, they end up being corrupted, because somehow pacman-init failed.
2022-04-15 12:06:21	rgl	does that make sense?
2022-04-15 12:07:39	drathir_tor	rgl: yea have sense especially if need some entropy it could take a while under first boot...
2022-04-15 12:10:07	drathir_tor	rgl: i guess You can always check just booting manually and execute script by hand if it correctly start...
2022-04-15 12:11:52	rgl	it always fails unless I stop pacman-init and reset all the keys. while doing that, that's when  I've notecied 
2022-04-15 12:12:20	rgl	it always fails unless I stop pacman-init and reset all the keys. while doing that, that's when I've noticed the system was still finishing booting
2022-04-15 12:18:16	drathir_tor	rgl: not really sure if pacman keyring init rely on that but You can check cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail if isnt really low vaule if is You can check if is possible to change automated_script.sh to read output of pacman-init.service and start after it finish... however no idea how easy that could be to adopt such functionality...
2022-04-15 12:19:35	rgl	I've modified my install.sh to wait for the system to be fully up with systemctl is-system-running --wait and now everything works :-)
2022-04-15 12:19:52	rgl	thx for the tips! :-)
2022-04-15 12:24:08	drathir_tor	rgl: im glad You figured it out... \o/
2022-04-15 12:54:06	mongy	rgl: did same 👍
2022-04-15 13:19:33	andrew___	I'm making a private arch repo, so while I was looking at other repos I noticed they do something like $repo/os/$arch, so I was wondering why the /os ?
2022-04-15 15:02:48	lluis	l
2022-04-15 15:03:10	mingdao	close
2022-04-15 15:10:43	jirido	I just got wind of the whole dirty pipe thing.. are there any recomendations/instructions on how to check the system, included programs installed via aur, for binary and config modifications?
2022-04-15 15:11:24	grawity	pacman -Qkk, but afaik the dirty pipe thing only affects the page cache, it doesn't mean changes will persist on disk
2022-04-15 15:12:14	jirido	But could not the process then write corrupt binaies to disc to dig in?
2022-04-15 15:14:35	grawity	these days I'd expect it to write whole new binaries (in some weird place like /root/..ssH/lib/hax) because modifying existing system files will just be undone by a package upgrade
2022-04-15 15:15:42	jirido	So I should do a total package upgrade of the system then, right?
2022-04-15 15:16:51	jirido	this pacman -Qkk does it check the binaries against  checksums you mean?
2022-04-15 15:26:46	jirido	So none of the system biaries are compiled locally but are all installed as binaries?
2022-04-15 15:27:36	grawity	yes, arch is a binary distribution, this isn't gentoo
2022-04-15 15:28:00	grawity	"third-party" kernel modules using DKMS are the main exception
2022-04-15 15:28:19	grawity	well, AUR is another, though thats hardly "system"
2022-04-15 15:29:07	Dethereal	grawity: and AUR isn't always compiled either, -bin packages are common.
2022-04-15 15:29:09	grawity	but as far as pacman knows, AUR packages still get *installed* as binaries (just locally built ones), so -Qkk will check them as well
2022-04-15 15:29:29	jirido	and sizes are set in stone and provided by the package database. So only if pacman it self would be hacked it would escape.. 
2022-04-15 15:29:58	grawity	or if you just edited the installed package db in /var/lib
2022-04-15 15:30:30	jirido	presenting some dummy entries about it self and some other
2022-04-15 15:30:46	grawity	but nobody would bother to do that if it only offers a few days of persistence
2022-04-15 15:31:00	grawity	easier to just hide whole new files independent from any package
2022-04-15 15:31:11	Dethereal	it buffers untill the next time you install something, am i correct?
2022-04-15 15:31:46	jirido	but then you would need to register them as new sevice toget them started?
2022-04-15 15:32:21	Dethereal	also, I'm intrested in helping Arch, is there anything to do? like wiki stuff, testing, etc
2022-04-15 15:32:27	jirido	or could they be started in some kind of config file "hooks"
2022-04-15 15:32:27	Dethereal	things that most need helpers
2022-04-15 15:32:35	grawity	sure, just call it "systemd-criticald" or something
2022-04-15 15:33:25	grawity	nobody will notice an extra service or two that way
2022-04-15 15:34:01	grawity	I think most of the time people just start stuff from cronjobs?
2022-04-15 15:34:17	grawity	like, malicious stuff (unwanted miners and such)
2022-04-15 15:34:40	Dethereal	cronjobs are more unnoticable imho
2022-04-15 15:34:56	Dethereal	i personally will 80% notice a new service running
2022-04-15 15:34:59	Dethereal	but not a cronjob
2022-04-15 15:35:25	jirido	.is there a command for systemd/arch to separate out "legit" processes running "system" binaries from other ones?
2022-04-15 15:35:56	grawity	what defines "legit" and what defines "system"?
2022-04-15 15:36:03	jirido	lie ones from.. well aur is userland anyway.
2022-04-15 15:36:11	jirido	like*
2022-04-15 15:36:21	grawity	Arch doesn't have a strictly defined "system"
2022-04-15 15:36:54	jirido	like if there is a daemon that runns under root that is not a arch binary
2022-04-15 15:37:11	artefact	"system stuff" is everything not in user.slice
2022-04-15 15:38:37	jirido	Yeah but if something was slipped in as a root owned binary and started by systemd, how would i find it from the rest
2022-04-15 15:39:03	grawity	"not a binary that comes from a package that has been installed from the official repository"?
2022-04-15 15:39:04	artefact	you're very vague
2022-04-15 15:39:38	jirido	grawity: yes
2022-04-15 15:39:47	jirido	just that
2022-04-15 15:40:12	grawity	you could start by listing what packages you have that are not from repos (-Qm, I think), and checking which ones come from AUR and which ones are of mysterious origin
2022-04-15 15:40:30	grawity	as well as scripting -Qo to find files that don't come from any package at all
2022-04-15 15:40:39	jirido	with some nifty "look alike" name that I as a quite novel user would have hard to distinguese
2022-04-15 15:41:08	grawity	the sum of "unowned" and "owned by mysterious non-arch-repo packages" would be the answer
2022-04-15 15:41:32	artefact	but really, if someone can run binaries as root, they can just as easily compromise binaries that come from packages
2022-04-15 15:42:10	grawity	yeah but why would they? it's not very persistent
2022-04-15 15:42:21	jirido	But what if it is not registered by pacman.. artefact yeah but they would get scrubbed after a update
2022-04-15 15:42:21	grawity	and -Qkk already detects that, anyway
2022-04-15 15:42:26	artefact	unless you compromise pacman itself
2022-04-15 15:42:48	jirido	yeah that was what i also thought,
2022-04-15 15:42:53	artefact	it sounds like what you want is fsverity
2022-04-15 15:43:45	damjan	a read-only distro like Silverblue + some exhaustive IMA implemented
2022-04-15 15:43:46	grawity	most hacks probably don't care and just want to run a miner or some botnet on your free hardware
2022-04-15 15:45:23	jirido	But what if it isa binary installed but not registered by pacman. would pacman -Qo find them
2022-04-15 15:45:57	jirido	like some file in /root as you said
2022-04-15 15:45:59	DeepDayze	you mean something like installed with make ./configure && make install?
2022-04-15 15:46:34	jirido	yeah or just writen to disk and set as a portable executable
2022-04-15 15:46:45	DeepDayze	like you compile some app and using make to install...pacman doesn't know about such binaries
2022-04-15 15:47:51	DeepDayze	anyone can put binaries on an Arch system that pacman doesn't know about...
2022-04-15 15:48:36	DeepDayze	but that may in itself cause issues if these binaries stomp all over stuff installed via pacman
2022-04-15 15:48:37	jirido	so if such were to be spun up under a "look alike" name by some hook in an service file by a legit program 
2022-04-15 15:48:45	DeepDayze	yes like malware
2022-04-15 15:48:50	grawity	sure, if it's not part of a package, -Qo says "no package"
2022-04-15 15:49:05	DeepDayze	yep
2022-04-15 15:50:30	jirido	so how could I find that in the systemd tree? is there any "legit" binary -reverse filter I could apply to systemd run processes?
2022-04-15 15:51:00	jirido	on the root side I mean.
2022-04-15 15:51:46	damjan	jirido: there's a script somewhere on the wiki or in aur to check /usr for orphan files
2022-04-15 15:52:11	jirido	Even if i had some legit but outside of the "by packman installed" services going I could anyway look trough them quite easy that way
2022-04-15 15:53:02	jirido	damjan: ok  Worlds most extesive linux wiki, but yeah ;)
2022-04-15 15:53:51	jirido	Ill look, but cant services be run outside /usr or would selinux catch them then?
2022-04-15 15:53:56	damjan	alas, /etc/ /home /var and /root are not bookeed anywhere
2022-04-15 15:55:03	damjan	nor are /opt /srv /mnt or /boot - but those should be easy to audit
2022-04-15 15:55:36	jirido	So I could run that and filter sytemd root processes reverse to find eventuall ones outside of /usr
2022-04-15 16:01:25	jirido	But could not a file residing outside /usr be spun up with a hook from a legit service file and be registered as residing in /usr or be inplemented as some subprocess in the tree?. and when you say audit do yo mean manually looking trough systemd processes listings? I know I can be getting all this rally wrong as I'm try to learn.
2022-04-15 16:03:14	damjan	what hook?
2022-04-15 16:03:21	jirido	It would be neat with a script that did all this and trew out all "for sure" not installed and checksum checked processes.. 
2022-04-15 16:04:28	damjan	jirido: you know that a root exploit can install a module in the kernel to hid the processes from you :)
2022-04-15 16:04:29	DeepDayze	i would generally put customized programs in ~/bin or in /opt
2022-04-15 16:04:41	damjan	so you have to do this investigation off-line
2022-04-15 16:04:41	DeepDayze	or in /usr/local/bin
2022-04-15 16:05:22	jirido	damjan: like when you start some .. not port but.. hmm.. well you know ... to write to that then start up a process after demand..
2022-04-15 16:05:40	jirido	damn it
2022-04-15 16:06:48	jirido	socket
2022-04-15 16:08:03	jirido	yeah like a socket that starts a process to write in an "look alike" in to /user and a service file to run it.
2022-04-15 16:08:47	damjan	"socket that starts a process"???
2022-04-15 16:08:53	jirido	things that could inject code in my userland apps
2022-04-15 16:10:24	jirido	damjan: if you write to sockets they can start a program
2022-04-15 16:10:47	damjan	not by default, no
2022-04-15 16:11:29	damjan	if _you_ start a service that does that, then it's up to you to monitor and audit and control that service
2022-04-15 16:11:50	jirido	take the buffer in that socket as an argument.. sure they can, you can have a server start up if there comes traffic and quit after a time out etc
2022-04-15 16:50:15	Dotz0cat_	Is there any diffrence between iptables and iptables-nft? as in functionality.
2022-04-15 17:15:32	damjan	Dotz0cat_: most probably not
2022-04-15 17:15:55	damjan	nftables have been around for a long time
2022-04-15 17:23:40	Edu4rdSHL	Dotz0cat_, to the final user no
2022-04-15 17:35:42	avN0	hey all
2022-04-15 17:36:43	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-15 17:37:11	avN0	At boot time I always have to wait ~10sec at the "enter passphrase" prompt until I can type it for my encrypted luks. What can be the reason for such a behaviour?
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2022-04-15 17:50:26	artefact	ten seconds to type it? or ten seconds after you've pressed enter?
2022-04-15 17:52:23	sorta	any fun game recommendations present in the repos / aur? it shouldn't be too big (supertuxkart is big for reference), just some time pass kind of stuff
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2022-04-15 17:53:37	Warepire	sorta: It might help people if you define what kind of games you think are fun.
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2022-04-15 18:02:23	susi	any bridge-building games like bridge builder/pontifex?
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2022-04-15 18:02:37	susi	or similar 'physics' game
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2022-04-15 18:03:59	Warepire	Something from here? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_games
2022-04-15 18:04:00	phrik	Title: List of games - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-04-15 18:07:50	sorta	Warepire: like arcade stuff maybe? subway surfers, jetpack joyride that kind of thing
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2022-04-15 18:08:24	sorta	i don't exactly know what they're called but i had a lot of fun with those games long back
2022-04-15 18:08:45	avN0	artefact: I get the prompt but it takes up to 10 seconds until my key presses register
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2022-04-15 18:16:08	avN0	I see in dmesg that my HIDs need ~8.XX seconds to initialize. Thats pretty long...
2022-04-15 18:16:13	cyphertite	avN0:  I run Arch with luks encrypted /boot, / and swap.  10-12 seconds after correct passphrase entry is NOT unusual to get to your kernel choice screen
2022-04-15 18:16:46	cyphertite	^with grub, fwiw
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2022-04-15 18:17:12	avN0	cyphertite: This is a delay BEFORE I can type my passphrase not the time necessary to decrypt the disc
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2022-04-15 18:18:09	Foxboron	The reason is that people encrypt their disks with inane settings
2022-04-15 18:18:39	avN0	For me, decryption itself takes about 3-4secs
2022-04-15 18:18:47	cyphertite	avN0:  ah - I see almost no delay from 'power on' to the grub passphrase entry screen
2022-04-15 18:19:22	amaurea	any cinnamon users here? After a recent update window focus mode mouse (so focus follows mouse) has stopped working, and regardless of the setting I need to clik a window to focus it. A quick search doesn't show anybody else have the problem, but it would be nice to hear others' experienc here
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2022-04-15 18:19:57	avN0	I power on, POST, grub selection > this takes not much time
2022-04-15 18:20:30	avN0	After grub disk decryption prompt and I have to wait here for a few seconds until I can start typing
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2022-04-15 18:20:58	cyphertite	Foxboron is correct, as explained on the (important to read) cryptsetup FAQs page
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2022-04-15 18:22:58	cyphertite	avN0:  no noticeable typing input delay here, on either of my laptops
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2022-04-15 18:25:35	avN0	cyphertite: Yes, this is only on one of 4 devices I installed arch this way and it really annoys me. I guess its not even cryptsetup/grub/... fault but my USB devices taking so long to initialize. But I don't know how to troubleshoot this
2022-04-15 18:25:35	avN0	 
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2022-04-15 18:27:58	cyphertite	avN0:  sure, likely to be a h/w issue, not related to grub, but that opens a HUGE can of worms ;p
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2022-04-15 18:28:43	sorta	pinball brings back old memories :)
2022-04-15 18:28:52	sorta	thanks Warepire 
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2022-04-15 20:15:24	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-04-15 19:13:08	mingdao	This was <2011, and using the tuxonice kernel from Gentoo.  I don't want a full blown DE, just Fluxbox, and would like to get power management working on Arch just like the ease of doing so with those other proprietary OSes.  Is this doable with Fluxbox?
2022-04-15 19:14:06	mingdao	By `the ease of doing so with those other proprietary OSes` I mean things such as closing the lid and having it sleep, not using up the battery, and not running so that it overheats. 
2022-04-15 19:14:31	Warepire	mingdao: Those things are handled by systemd
2022-04-15 19:14:34	mingdao	That type of thing.  This laptop was always very good with it.  Also has some features such as a fingerprint reader that I enjoyed.
2022-04-15 19:14:52	Warepire	(sleeping on lid close etc)
2022-04-15 19:14:59	mingdao	Warepire: So DE/WM shouldn't matter.  I've not read up on them, thanks.
2022-04-15 19:15:26	Warepire	For that part, no. The other parts I don't know about (like fingerprint reader)
2022-04-15 19:16:51	mingdao	I'll start with https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fprint
2022-04-15 19:16:53	phrik	Title: fprint - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-15 19:17:41	mingdao	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ThinkFinger, most likely, as it's a ThinkPad.
2022-04-15 19:19:21	mingdao	Does Arch have anything such as https://www.thinkwiki.org/w/index.php?search=T420&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go (ThinkWiki) ?
2022-04-15 19:19:22	phrik	Title: Search results for "T420" - ThinkWiki (at www.thinkwiki.org)
2022-04-15 19:36:54	susi	like https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Laptop/Lenovo#ThinkPad ?
2022-04-15 19:36:55	phrik	Title: Laptop/Lenovo - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-15 19:37:07	susi	or https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Lenovo_ThinkPad_T420
2022-04-15 19:37:08	phrik	Title: Lenovo ThinkPad T420 - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-15 19:39:48	mingdao	Thanks, susi ... I obliviously didn't search well enough.
2022-04-15 19:53:58	Arsimael	Folks... I am totally frustrated. Since a few days, my whole system is coimpletely unstable. My games keep crashing, applications close themselves with no crash report and so on. Did anytything fundamental changed during the last few days?
2022-04-15 19:58:44	mingdao	Arsimael: Did you read the Lastest News here https://archlinux.org/ to see?
2022-04-15 19:58:44	phrik	Title: Arch Linux (at archlinux.org)
2022-04-15 20:00:45	Arsimael	about keycloak?
2022-04-15 20:05:40	Edu4rdSHL	Arsimael, check the logs.
2022-04-15 20:06:04	Edu4rdSHL	And run apps or whatever from the terminal, then see why they are crashing
2022-04-15 20:06:30	Edu4rdSHL	Also, make sure that you're using an up to date mirror and your system is full updated
2022-04-15 20:08:58	Arsimael	Edu4rdSHL, It is. The4 logs are pretty much empty or don'T show any info which could give a hint on whats wrong. The best shot I got was from a gamelog whbich sais m,ore r less "I have no idea whats going on" 
2022-04-15 20:10:07	Edu4rdSHL	Arsimael, if you open the app(s) that are crashing from the terminal then you will see relevant info there
2022-04-15 20:10:36	Edu4rdSHL	There are always logs, it isn't that a system starts crashing everything "because yes" without giving any info
2022-04-15 20:10:44	Arsimael	nope
2022-04-15 20:11:01	susi	see X/Wayland logs
2022-04-15 20:11:19	susi	or more like, X or your compositor's logs
2022-04-15 20:11:22	Arsimael	Which wayland logs...
2022-04-15 20:12:05	susi	my X writes $HOME/.xsession-errors 
2022-04-15 20:12:22	susi	my Xorg
2022-04-15 20:12:24	Edu4rdSHL	If you¿re using wayland, switch to X and see if they still happens. Wayland problems are solved using Xorg
2022-04-15 20:12:26	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-04-15 20:12:37	Arsimael	its also happening on X
2022-04-15 20:12:45	Arsimael	just with more force
2022-04-15 20:12:55	Edu4rdSHL	Then check the logs :)
2022-04-15 20:13:03	Arsimael	on X my whole system freezes and I need to make a hard reset
2022-04-15 20:13:04	susi	so it must be bad ram or bad video drivers
2022-04-15 20:14:40	Arsimael	I switched all hardware. it's more or less a breand new system (hardware-wise) so I think I just do a reinstall. and see if the problem still persists
2022-04-15 20:15:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-04-15 20:15:24	Arsimael	brb switching gpu
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2022-04-15 20:20:04	DeepDayze	what GPU you using?
2022-04-15 20:20:28	DeepDayze	if nvidia, you using the correct driver?
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2022-04-15 20:29:47	Arsimael	Sooo. Now I amm on my old GPU (5700XT) 
2022-04-15 20:29:53	Arsimael	open source drivers
2022-04-15 20:30:55	DeepDayze	AMD now has decent GPUs these days
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2022-04-15 20:31:10	raster	\o/
2022-04-15 20:31:23	DeepDayze	and the amdgpu driver is pretty solid
2022-04-15 20:31:45	raster	well some weirdness lately with amdgpu + udev + rules + power management
2022-04-15 20:32:00	ℹ 	Tom es conocido ahora como Tom^_laptop
2022-04-15 20:32:01	DeepDayze	hopefully those bugs will get licked soon
2022-04-15 20:32:06	raster	my 6800 xt keeps being given a lowe power scheduler/profile so it limit clock to lowest clocks
2022-04-15 20:32:21	raster	i keep having to force a udev trigger to load my rules
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2022-04-15 20:32:35	raster	(added some udev rules to force an auto scheduler)
2022-04-15 20:32:39	Arsimael	raster, do you have any crashing troubles with the 6800XT?
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2022-04-15 20:35:54	Arsimael	LOL wallpaper switched and it FITS my current mood
2022-04-15 20:35:56	Arsimael	https://pics.jhml.de/image/screenshot-20220415-203436.fYDYG
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2022-04-15 20:35:58	phrik	Title: Screenshot 20220415 203436 - JHML Imagehoster (at pics.jhml.de)
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2022-04-15 20:37:22	raster	Arsimael: nope.no crashing
2022-04-15 20:39:08	Tom^_laptop	raster: i think i had somewhat same thing with my gpu when setting manual profiles/overclocking and it occured when i either unplugged my monitor or powering it off so essentially amdgpu thought it lost the monitor and once it turned on it got a new one and reset somehow.
2022-04-15 20:39:17	Tom^_laptop	raster: was on a vega56 however
2022-04-15 20:39:43	raster	Tom^_laptop: i see it happen if i just plug/unplug usb devices
2022-04-15 20:39:56	Tom^_laptop	oh ok
2022-04-15 20:40:00	raster	i dont knwo what causes it to go into this mode
2022-04-15 20:40:06	raster	i know how to kick it out :)
2022-04-15 20:40:30	raster	i'm tempted to make a nice gui tool to show all your qamd gpu clocks and other swizzle knobs and change them
2022-04-15 20:40:50	raster	there are quite a few clocks exposed and you can even manually clock them if you want
2022-04-15 20:40:51	Tom^_laptop	raster: well there is one already
2022-04-15 20:41:34	Tom^_laptop	raster: https://gitlab.com/corectrl/corectrl
2022-04-15 20:41:35	phrik	Title: CoreCtrl / CoreCtrl · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2022-04-15 20:44:49	raster	Tom^_laptop: aaah still make my own :0
2022-04-15 20:44:51	raster	:)
2022-04-15 20:45:15	Tom^_laptop	sure :p
2022-04-15 20:51:16	Arsimael	Fuck... old GPU = no problems
2022-04-15 20:51:27	Arsimael	seems like my new gpu is garbage
2022-04-15 21:00:05	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-04-15 21:00:30	mion	amd just sucks at drivers
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2022-04-15 21:02:30	Arsimael	maybe on windows
2022-04-15 21:03:22	Arsimael	ah wait... the open source drivers aren't from AMD directly :D
2022-04-15 21:03:46	mion	Arsimael: they partly are
2022-04-15 21:04:00	mion	Arsimael: amd released the core of the drive and then the community fixed it into something acutally usable
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2022-04-15 21:05:02	mion	Arsimael: and there is amdgpu-pro of course
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2022-04-15 21:23:18	DeepDayze	yep, some might prefer the plain amdgpu over the amdgpu-pro for their needs
2022-04-15 21:23:32	DeepDayze	or vice-versa
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2022-04-15 22:18:55	mion	davinci resolve is basically the only reason to ever use amdgpu-pro (since it doesn't work at all with amdgpu=
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2022-04-15 22:19:11	mion	otherwise the -pro is slower and buggier
2022-04-15 22:20:02	DeepDayze	perhaps something within the pro driver that DaVinci needs in order to work properly
2022-04-15 22:20:37	DeepDayze	or if using nvidia then the proprietary blob would be necessary
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2022-04-16 19:26:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-04-16 19:26:04	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1455 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1453 normals)
2022-04-16 19:17:07	sorta	i have this file in /sys/class/net/wlo1/speed but i can't cat it or file it, I get "invalid argument" error, doesn't work with sudo either. what is it? what does it do? can't find anything relevant on google either...
2022-04-16 19:18:35	sorta	just to be clear, the file is /sys/class/net/wlo1/speed speed is not a directory in which there is a file, i made a mistake writing there
2022-04-16 19:19:11	Edu4rdSHL	sorta, https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-net 
2022-04-16 19:26:05	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-16 19:26:39	sorta	Edu4rdSHL: thank you so much, that was very concise and easy to understand, the reason i was getting an error was because my interface is not ethernet, it is wireless.
2022-04-16 19:26:49	sorta	my ethernet interface gives -1
2022-04-16 19:26:53	Edu4rdSHL	:)
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2022-04-16 21:05:40	ugga-the-caveman	ahoi, i installed archlinux on an usb stick. first it worked good. then i tried to install adittional packets (xorg and xfce). During the installtion process the systems kinda hangs on some point, i tried it many times and it allways hangs after downloading when the packets gets isntalled.  Any idea what is causing this ?
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2022-04-16 21:06:37	tomty89	ugga-the-caveman: well, the stick is slow?
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2022-04-16 21:06:52	ugga-the-caveman	jeah old and cheap noname stick
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2022-04-16 21:07:19	tomty89	as dirty pages accumulates and got written / flushed onto it, you feel the slowness
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2022-04-16 21:07:31	ugga-the-caveman	ah ok
2022-04-16 21:07:45	ugga-the-caveman	kcan i somehow "repair the stick " ?
2022-04-16 21:07:55	ugga-the-caveman	or mark bad sectors or something ?
2022-04-16 21:09:39	artefact	there's no easy fix for slow write speeds
2022-04-16 21:10:00	ugga-the-caveman	ok ,thx for the tipps anyway
2022-04-16 21:10:07	ugga-the-caveman	i go and buy a new one
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2022-04-16 21:10:43	tomty89	get a m.2 (nvme or sata) "caddy" (and a correspondingdrive)
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2022-04-16 21:12:13	tomty89	a few sticks on the market are those in nature though
2022-04-16 21:12:51	tomty89	uas-bridged sata/nvme drive
2022-04-16 21:13:31	tomty89	"conventional" / "simple" sticks are doomed to be slow
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2022-04-16 21:14:33	⚡ 	tomty89 prefers microSD + reader over simple sticks
2022-04-16 21:15:18	tomty89	And I wonder when will SD express be available AND affordable
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2022-04-16 21:24:51	artefact	and not a fire hazard
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2022-04-16 21:26:15	ℹ 	user_ es conocido ahora como lowry
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2022-04-16 21:30:01	teraflops	nvme on a caddy is ok, but if you want a finished product Sansung T7s behave surprisingly well
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2022-04-16 21:35:07	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL happy with his RAID0 with 9Gbps of read/write speeds.
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2022-04-16 21:41:21	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-16 21:55:46	ℹ 	cdown_ es conocido ahora como cdown
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2022-04-16 21:58:35	MacGyver	Hmm.
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2022-04-16 21:58:58	michelesr	anyone using ardour? I have troubles with the 'Choose top region' window not being visible/usable, tried different WM (Xorg and Wayland) but the window never pops up
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2022-04-16 21:59:03	MacGyver	Why would `ping` in a network namespace yield socket: Operation not permitted?
2022-04-16 21:59:16	MacGyver	(Obviously with root rights it works)
2022-04-16 21:59:28	tomty89	cap stuff
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2022-04-16 22:00:32	MacGyver	But which cap stuff. I'm not dropping capabilities when creating a namespace.
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2022-04-16 22:01:32	MacGyver	Looks like the culprit is the default setting of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ping_group_range
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2022-04-16 22:25:07	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-04-16 22:25:08	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1466 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1464 normals)
2022-04-16 22:25:05	MacGyver	No matter, when creating the namespace I can just set the sysctl accordingly.
2022-04-16 22:25:10	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-04-16 22:25:26	MacGyver	Was just having trouble finding out *why* because ping isn't setuid and I wasn't seeing those CAPs.
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2022-04-16 22:32:22	tomty89	MacGyver: Right. Same here. I wonder why a netns gets its own value for that particular sysctl
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2022-04-17 09:12:11	kuba-orlik	Hi! So I have this weird issue with some system-wide keybind. When I press CTRL+; then an underlined "e" appears and doesn't allow me to type normally
2022-04-17 09:12:18	kuba-orlik	what is it and how do I disable it?
2022-04-17 09:13:08	grawity	underlined input = the "preedit" mode of some Input Method (like ibus or fcitx) where you compose a character out of several
2022-04-17 09:13:32	grawity	Ctrl+; and the 'e' prefix sounds like it's the emoji input in ibus... or in gtk? no, more likely ibus
2022-04-17 09:14:15	grawity	run ibus-setup and make sure the shortcut is unset
2022-04-17 09:20:09	kuba-orlik	grawity: thanks! <3
2022-04-17 09:24:20	kuba-orlik	Now that's interesting. I didn't know about emoji preedit
2022-04-17 09:24:40	kuba-orlik	Now I'm trying to figure out: how do I type an emoji using ibus emoji annotation?
2022-04-17 09:25:00	kuba-orlik	I press ctrl+; then an underline "e" appears and then... what do I do?
2022-04-17 09:25:11	kuba-orlik	I tried typing some emoji name
2022-04-17 09:25:15	kuba-orlik	but it doesn't work
2022-04-17 09:26:22	grawity	type the name then confirm using Enter or Space, generally
2022-04-17 09:26:43	grawity	I don't know what names it recognizes
2022-04-17 09:30:11	kuba-orlik	Ah, yes, I have to press space
2022-04-17 09:30:20	kuba-orlik	I was pressing return and nothing was happening
2022-04-17 09:31:34	grawity	AFAIK input methods for other scripts often work word-at-a-time (e.g. japanese), you compose the whole word in preedit (and there's usually a popup where the IME offers different variants to choose from) then hit space to confirm and start the next word
2022-04-17 09:31:52	grawity	but I've only used that 3 times in my life, and ibus emoji input literally never
2022-04-17 11:33:29	sunyibo	if I have 'Password Authentication' disabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config , do I need to have a ridiculously strong root password? Who's going to sit for years in front of my server and try to hack the password? Also, won't Linux block for a while after a couple of guesses?
2022-04-17 11:36:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-17 11:36:59	febri	anyone get this error?
2022-04-17 11:37:02	febri	0118:err:heap:HEAP_GetPtr Invalid heap 0000000000000000!
2022-04-17 11:37:04	febri	wine
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2022-04-17 11:37:40	febri	i dont know why growtopia doesnt work under wine in arch, it worked perfectly fine in ubuntu
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2022-04-17 11:41:40	bittin	Hey, anyone else having problems with Firefox and other things since the icu71 update?
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2022-04-17 11:45:32	mkoskar	sunyibo: yep, have a look at $ man faillock.conf
2022-04-17 11:46:28	mkoskar	bittin: I don't, what kind of problems?
2022-04-17 11:46:38	bittin	bittin@rarity ~ [255]> firefox
2022-04-17 11:46:38	bittin	XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /usr/lib/firefox/libmozgtk.so:
2022-04-17 11:46:38	bittin	libicuuc.so.71: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2022-04-17 11:46:38	bittin	Couldn't load XPCOM.
2022-04-17 11:50:03	mkoskar	ye, I don't have that, try to reinstall icu bittin
2022-04-17 11:50:34	bittin	i tried that but don't help :(
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2022-04-17 11:51:47	mkoskar	what does this return $ pacman -Qo /usr/lib/libicuuc.so.71
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2022-04-17 11:52:31	bittin	/usr/lib/libicuuc.so.71 ägs av icu 71.1-1
2022-04-17 11:52:46	bittin	owned by icu 71.1-1
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2022-04-17 11:57:31	mkoskar	righ, that's ok
2022-04-17 11:57:35	mkoskar	*right
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2022-04-17 11:58:36	grawity	?pkg icu
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2022-04-17 11:58:37	@EMIYA	grawity: core/icu 70.1-1 (International Components for Unicode library)
2022-04-17 11:58:40	grawity	?pkg firefox
2022-04-17 11:58:40	@EMIYA	grawity: extra/firefox 99.0-1 (Standalone web browser from mozilla.org)
2022-04-17 11:58:45	bittin	ry)
2022-04-17 11:58:45	bittin	11:58 < grawity> ?pkg firefox
2022-04-17 11:58:45	bittin	11:58 <@EMIYA> grawity: extra/firefox 99.0-1 (Standalone web browser from mozilla.org)
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2022-04-17 11:58:49	bittin	wrong paste
2022-04-17 11:58:54	grawity	hmm is the cron job not working
2022-04-17 11:59:03	bittin	bittin@rarity ~> firefox
2022-04-17 11:59:03	bittin	XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /usr/lib/firefox/libmozgtk.so:
2022-04-17 11:59:03	bittin	libicuuc.so.70: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2022-04-17 11:59:03	bittin	Couldn't load XPCOM.
2022-04-17 11:59:03	bittin	bittin@rarity ~ [255]> firefox-beta-bin
2022-04-17 11:59:04	◣	EMIYA ha expulsado bittin (flood limit)
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2022-04-17 12:00:29	ℹ 	Macbethwin es conocido ahora como ieeesebel
2022-04-17 12:01:42	◣	jkotra (~jkotra@171.49.247.73) ha salido (Client Quit)
2022-04-17 12:02:05	mkoskar	bittin: what firefox are you using? also ...
2022-04-17 12:02:08	mkoskar	!give bittin paste
2022-04-17 12:02:09	phrik	bittin: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-04-17 12:02:50	bittin	mkoskar: tried both firefox-beta-bin from AUR and the firefox package from Extras
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2022-04-17 12:06:40	mkoskar	bittin: hmm, run it as follows: $ LD_DEBUG=libs firefox >out 2>&1 ... then post "out"
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2022-04-17 12:08:45	bittin	http://transfer.sh/viGOzp/out
2022-04-17 12:09:06	bittin	https://transfer.sh/viG0zp/out
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2022-04-17 12:11:10	susi	so it's trying to load libicuuc.so.70 and you have .71
2022-04-17 12:11:12	mkoskar	oh so it's searching for 70 and 71
2022-04-17 12:11:22	susi	maybe you have to downgrade it if it's not built with support for icu71
2022-04-17 12:12:01	bittin	susi: i tried that, but then it was still searching for 71 but maybe i did something wrong?
2022-04-17 12:12:09	bittin	hows the right way to downgrade it?
2022-04-17 12:13:03	mkoskar	why is your original paste saying 71? this is getting confusing
2022-04-17 12:13:04	grawity	are you using the official firefox package?
2022-04-17 12:13:19	grawity	as in, the one from pacman extra/firefox
2022-04-17 12:13:24	bittin	mkoskar: i tried with both 71 and 70 to try to troubleshoot 
2022-04-17 12:13:25	rcf	bittin: the 'proper' way to downgrade is to look in your package cache 
2022-04-17 12:13:25	bittin	grawity: yeah
2022-04-17 12:13:35	grawity	normally all the icu rebuild stuff gets moved at once
2022-04-17 12:13:57	grawity	so the only way to end up with mixed versions is if you install some stuff from testing, but not all of it
2022-04-17 12:14:16	bittin	thats mostly likely what i have done, stupidly enough
2022-04-17 12:14:23	grawity	oh, and run `lddtree` on the firefox binary
2022-04-17 12:14:28	teraflops	bittin: not using firebox-beta-bin?
2022-04-17 12:14:29	grawity	?pkgfile lddtree
2022-04-17 12:14:33	@EMIYA	grawity: community/pax-utils 1.3.3-1 (/usr/bin/lddtree)
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2022-04-17 12:14:48	bittin	tried with both firefox-beta-bin from AUR and the one from Extras
2022-04-17 12:14:52	bittin	same problem with both
2022-04-17 12:14:53	grawity	it's like LD_DEBUG=libs except it shows you which *other libraries* request the wrong libicu
2022-04-17 12:15:09	grawity	e.g. you might have firefox itself using .71 but libwhatever using .70
2022-04-17 12:15:43	bittin	grawity: magic number does not match
2022-04-17 12:15:50	rcf	lddtree is quite wonderful for deciphering such things 
2022-04-17 12:15:50	bittin	lddtree /usr/bin/firefox ?
2022-04-17 12:16:00	grawity	more like /usr/lib/firefox/firefox I think?
2022-04-17 12:16:07	grawity	the one in /usr/bin is a script that runs the real thing
2022-04-17 12:16:14	bittin	ah thanks :)
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2022-04-17 12:18:37	bittin	not finding any good pastebin that works in links however
2022-04-17 12:18:59	bittin	found one now
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2022-04-17 12:19:14	bittin	https://pastebin.mozilla.org/KXzab9MF
2022-04-17 12:19:15	phrik	Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/KXzab9MF (JavaScript) (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
2022-04-17 12:19:38	susi	https://0x0.st is a good pastebin
2022-04-17 12:19:52	grawity	hmm
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2022-04-17 12:20:00	grawity	try it on libxul.so and libmozgtk.so
2022-04-17 12:21:12	bittin	 libicuuc.so.70 => None
2022-04-17 12:21:12	bittin	            libicui18n.so.70 => None
2022-04-17 12:21:16	bittin	maybe that has to do with it?
2022-04-17 12:21:27	grawity	right now look at the libraries higher up in the tree
2022-04-17 12:21:31	grawity	which are requesting those
2022-04-17 12:21:31	bittin	  libicuuc.so.71 => /usr/lib/libicuuc.so.71
2022-04-17 12:21:31	bittin	                    libicudata.so.71 => /usr/lib/libicudata.so.71
2022-04-17 12:21:39	bittin	so guess its trying to find both
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2022-04-17 12:24:15	bittin	https://tmate.io/t/ro-XQSWST2QHFEjFrk5hutgxT5re 
2022-04-17 12:24:17	phrik	Title: tmate • ro-XQSWST2QHFEjFrk5hutgxT5re (at tmate.io)
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2022-04-17 12:30:53	bittin	what should i try?
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2022-04-17 12:32:28	grawity	wow that's like the extreme opposite of "links-compatible"
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2022-04-17 12:32:48	bittin	grawity: hm?
2022-04-17 12:32:49	grawity	anyway, look at the lib 1 level above it: libtracker-sparql
2022-04-17 12:33:00	grawity	is there a rebuild available for that?
2022-04-17 12:33:08	grawity	?pkgfile libtracker-sparql-3.0.so.0
2022-04-17 12:33:09	@EMIYA	grawity: extra/tracker3 3.3.0-2 (/usr/lib/libtracker-sparql-3.0.so.0)
2022-04-17 12:33:25	grawity	3.3.0-2 is the icu71 rebuild
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2022-04-17 12:34:37	bittin	grawity: ah that solved it thanks :)
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2022-04-17 12:37:14	bittin	thanks grawity had an old version of tracker3 as i played with GNOME 42 betas now it works :)
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2022-04-17 12:41:34	bittin	having problems like that with gnome-terminal and telegram too, so guess i have wierd old versions installed
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2022-04-17 12:43:18	bittin	guess i will make a reinstall with only the stable and not mixed repos after Revision Demoparty https://2022.revision-party.net/ too lazy to reinstall and backup atm
2022-04-17 12:43:18	phrik	Title: Revision 2022 - April 15th to 18th (at 2022.revision-party.net)
2022-04-17 12:43:30	grawity	just do a proper pacman -Syu
2022-04-17 12:43:39	grawity	or -Syuu if you want to downgrade stuff from testing
2022-04-17 12:44:00	bittin	trying
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2022-04-17 12:44:39	bittin	that solved telegram, but not gnome-terminal :p
2022-04-17 12:44:48	bittin	thank you grawity for all the help
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2022-04-17 12:48:57	bittin	ah think i have the wrong vte from AUR
2022-04-17 12:50:31	bittin	yep, i fixed it :)
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2022-04-17 13:13:18	powftw	people here using `xmouseless` ?
2022-04-17 13:13:22	powftw	https://github.com/jbensmann/xmouseless
2022-04-17 13:13:38	powftw	are/is there alternatives?
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2022-04-17 13:15:09	powftw	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/xmouseless-git 
2022-04-17 13:15:11	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - xmouseless-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2022-04-17 13:44:43	segurb	hello, I got new arch installation done, and I am trying to configure i3, but it wont autostart when I log in into the user, I do have .xinitrc in ~ but X does not seem to start
2022-04-17 13:45:04	artefact	how do you log in?
2022-04-17 13:45:11	segurb	as user
2022-04-17 13:45:29	segurb	its tty1 prompt?
2022-04-17 14:05:33	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-04-17 14:05:43	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-04-17 14:05:43	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1455 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1453 normals)
2022-04-17 14:03:37	slimbo	odd program - attempts to remove the need for a rat by turning your keyboard into a shitty trackpad of sorts
2022-04-17 14:03:59	ayekat	yeah, why not just use a keyboard with a trackpoint instead?
2022-04-17 14:04:27	slimbo	it panders to the mouse instead of promoting keyboard solutions to mouse problems
2022-04-17 14:05:45	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-04-17 14:05:50	ayekat	slimbo: the trackpoint or that xmouseless thing? :-}
2022-04-17 14:06:27	ayekat	but anyway, yeah, you also need applications that allow keyboard-based interaction - just replacing your mouse by something else won't do much
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2022-04-17 18:22:31	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-04-17 18:22:31	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1456 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1454 normals)
2022-04-17 14:49:35	segurb	anyone has a suggestions to replace my termite configuration? its deprecated and I need a new terminal
2022-04-17 14:51:01	nl6720	segurb: try cool-retro-term
2022-04-17 14:51:07	NetSysFire	!give nl6720 glare
2022-04-17 14:51:08	phrik	nl6720: ಠ_ಠ
2022-04-17 14:51:11	NetSysFire	fairly sure the more or less official successor is alacritty iirc
2022-04-17 14:51:45	NetSysFire	yup the github repo says this
2022-04-17 14:54:15	segurb	a terminal that requiers openGL?
2022-04-17 14:54:34	segurb	has rust as dependency
2022-04-17 14:54:36	segurb	jezus ...
2022-04-17 14:55:26	segurb	well lets give it a try, tnx for suggestion !
2022-04-17 14:55:28	Scimmia	rust as a dependency? no...
2022-04-17 14:56:07	Scimmia	It does need a compiler as a dependency, but all TEs do
2022-04-17 14:56:28	segurb	I just dont like the idea of GPU-accelereated terminal ... why ?
2022-04-17 14:56:34	segurb	why would a terminal be heavy process?
2022-04-17 14:56:54	Scimmia	why take advantage of the power of a GPU?
2022-04-17 14:57:06	segurb	yeah
2022-04-17 14:57:12	segurb	why spin my GPU for a terminal?
2022-04-17 14:57:21	Scimmia	why not?
2022-04-17 14:58:04	Scimmia	spin your CPU instead?
2022-04-17 14:58:11	Scimmia	not really any better
2022-04-17 14:58:25	MacGyver	segurb: I dislike this idea that my terminal emulator requires a working graphics stack as well, but I've come to accept that if my graphics stack is so broken alacritty won't run, it's unlikely X will in the first place.
2022-04-17 14:58:40	MacGyver	segurb: So, just ignore for a second it's opengl, and try it.
2022-04-17 14:58:50	artefact	probably not great for battery life/energy use
2022-04-17 14:59:02	Scimmia	"probably"
2022-04-17 14:59:02	MacGyver	artefact: I haven't noticed a difference.
2022-04-17 14:59:42	segurb	desktop machine, but I agree, its not eco friendly either to run GPU for something as simple as temrinal, besides, I like the idea of keeping it simple stupid, so if something fails ... like what MacGyver explained ... I dont have to loose my mind debuging it
2022-04-17 15:00:13	segurb	I loved my termite ... but giving me this error now with libicu or smth
2022-04-17 15:00:33	damjan	segurb: if the gpu is more efficient for the job, why not
2022-04-17 15:00:39	slimbo	segurb: try st, it's stupid
2022-04-17 15:00:43	slimbo	s/stupid/simple
2022-04-17 15:00:59	MacGyver	Ah yes.
2022-04-17 15:01:04	segurb	I have RTX3060Ti, why would you want to power that, and possibly spin the cooling on it for a terminal? makes 0 sense
2022-04-17 15:01:23	MacGyver	So that you can expend all the energy you think you save by not using the GPU, to compile every time you need a config change.
2022-04-17 15:01:50	MacGyver	Look if you like termite, *try* alacritty.
2022-04-17 15:02:02	MacGyver	It's the closest neighbour to it in terms of how you interact with it.
2022-04-17 15:02:20	segurb	well you got me there, I did try some other terms and I hated most of them
2022-04-17 15:02:57	segurb	just because I gave up, doesnt mean its wrong ! thanks for help :)
2022-04-17 15:27:11	ieeesebel	yay yes --overwrite=/*
2022-04-17 15:29:21	Scimmia	ieeesebel: please tell me you don't use --overwrite for everything
2022-04-17 15:29:51	ieeesebel	I had to
2022-04-17 15:29:57	ieeesebel	onetimer
2022-04-17 15:30:10	Scimmia	there's not even a package called yes
2022-04-17 15:30:43	ieeesebel	i felt the urge to. Yes is just a placeholder. But there should be a yes that cout 1   me thinks so
2022-04-17 15:31:39	Scimmia	"a yes that cout 1   me thinks so" um, what?
2022-04-17 15:32:20	ieeesebel	some pipeline interpretation of Y and ACK all that is standing in the way of    make -k
2022-04-17 15:32:39	ieeesebel	I admit this is misanthropic bad juju
2022-04-17 15:36:54	ieeesebel	I'm trying to find out what I/O plane I have to look for..them case lights. old Nvidia board on a DELL XPS 710    I want it to work with OpenRGB
2022-04-17 15:37:27	ieeesebel	somebody said USB but I was thinking I2C and or SMBUS 
2022-04-17 16:52:34	cc0a3hr	Is there any guide installing proper window manager and programs guide?
2022-04-17 16:52:34	cc0a3hr	Like when you install de, reboot and use. But with window manager you have to manually do all stuff like install nitrogen, display manager I need guide/wiki/manual that shows proper window manager setup.
2022-04-17 16:53:37	Namarrgon	no, there's no combined guide but they all have their pages on the wiki
2022-04-17 16:54:13	NetSysFire	you use a window manager because you dont want all the stuff a DE has, you build your own environment from the stuff you want. it is also all specific for your WM. i dont use nitrogen anymore because awesomewm can set the wallpaper by itself
2022-04-17 16:54:30	NetSysFire	so you have to identify the parts you ened
2022-04-17 16:55:27	cc0a3hr	Yes I want to build my own custom environment with programs, I don't want it default
2022-04-17 17:06:39	Gagis	theres probably category pages for stuff like file managers etc. that show what does what
2022-04-17 17:07:20	noobaroo	cc0a3hr, i think the first step for you is choosing what WM you want to use.... then go from there, adding functionality that you need
2022-04-17 17:11:03	mingdao	cc0a3hr: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications#Window_managers
2022-04-17 17:11:04	phrik	Title: List of applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-17 17:53:13	v9fk	!emacs
2022-04-17 17:53:14	phrik	A great operating system lacking only a decent text editor
2022-04-17 18:22:31	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-17 18:25:39	DeepDayze	Lol
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2022-04-17 18:30:03	Ghosthree3	nvim update is broken from conflicts :<
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2022-04-17 18:50:50	Sensiva	Hello everyone. Since yesterday I am unable to reach archlinux.org website. Any ideas where to report that issue?
2022-04-17 18:51:39	BrainDamage	first try to traceroute it and see where the connection breaks
2022-04-17 18:51:46	BrainDamage	and/or check the dns resolution
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2022-04-17 18:53:22	Sensiva	DNS resolution is fine. Host is resolved correctly. traceroute breaks at spine2.cloud1.hel1.hetzner.com (88.198.242.250)
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2022-04-17 18:53:50	killown	thunderbird nightly dev build from AUR working... thunderbird stable from official repos [1]    51112 segmentation fault (core dumped)  thunderbird
2022-04-17 18:53:55	killown	serioslly?
2022-04-17 18:54:36	killown	https://bpa.st/MCTQ
2022-04-17 18:54:37	phrik	Title: View paste MCTQ (at bpa.st)
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2022-04-17 19:07:22	drathir_tor	killown: just blind guess does You make any gpu related updates mean time ? maybe restart would help...
2022-04-17 19:07:54	killown	drathir_tor, maybe export mesa_glthread=true
2022-04-17 19:09:17	killown	drathir_tor, thank you, this was the issue
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2022-04-17 19:09:18	drathir_tor	killown: first would check if restart would fix it after would try workarounds with hw offloading, bc its kind of looks like some rendering related issue...
2022-04-17 19:09:57	drathir_tor	killown: thats good, at least temporally workaround...
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2022-04-17 19:32:56	mingdao	killown: Curious if you upgraded a kernel, have new modules and therefore need to reboot.  Check the output of `uname -r && pacman -Q linux && file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
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2022-04-17 19:33:54	killown	 mesa_glthread=true is the issue but I am not sure why, because this setting works with nightly version
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2022-04-17 19:34:42	Namarrgon	setting mesa_glthread=true globally is a bad idea, there are many programs that exploded with it
2022-04-17 19:34:54	killown	I just think those output errors should be more descriptive
2022-04-17 19:35:09	killown	removed it
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2022-04-17 19:39:09	killown	thank you for that information, removed this glthread
2022-04-17 19:39:16	killown	I will reboot
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2022-04-17 19:42:14	kill	archlinux is very stable, what make it unstable is end user changes, like I did
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2022-04-17 19:45:58	gschanuel	hello there! I have a LVM using two 4.5TB partitions, I freed up some space in one of the disks and grew one of the partitions from 4.5 to 11TB but LVM doesn't seem to identify this free space 
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2022-04-17 19:46:56	gschanuel	I wanted to grow the LVM without adding having to create a new partition on the same disk, so I grew the partition...
2022-04-17 19:47:01	gschanuel	is it even possible?
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2022-04-17 19:48:09	Namarrgon	did you grow the PV in that partition?
2022-04-17 19:49:59	gschanuel	I did pvresize on that partition and tried to `lvextend -l +100%FREE /dev/storage/storage`
2022-04-17 19:50:55	Namarrgon	what does 'pvdisplay' return
2022-04-17 19:52:08	gschanuel	it shows one disk with 4.5TB and the other PV Size  11.73 TiB / not usable 1.98 MiB
2022-04-17 19:52:31	mion	what allocation are you using?
2022-04-17 19:52:36	Namarrgon	what used to be in the space that you freed up?
2022-04-17 19:52:39	gschanuel	xfs
2022-04-17 19:52:52	Namarrgon	a simple filesystem?
2022-04-17 19:53:03	gschanuel	vgdisplay shows Free  PE / Size       1907192 / <7.28 TiB
2022-04-17 19:53:07	gschanuel	yeap
2022-04-17 19:53:57	gschanuel	huum.. i think I may be missing just a vgextend command?
2022-04-17 19:54:37	gschanuel	no... vgextend is used to add another pv to the vg
2022-04-17 19:54:59	mion	what allocation are you using? mirror? stripe? sequential?
2022-04-17 19:55:04	gschanuel	it's the first time I'm using lvm, so I'm a bit lost
2022-04-17 19:55:05	gschanuel	mirror
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2022-04-17 19:55:16	gschanuel	sorry,, nope
2022-04-17 19:55:18	gschanuel	stripe
2022-04-17 19:55:26	mion	with mirror you are limited by the smallest pv
2022-04-17 19:56:19	gschanuel	i created it with 'lvcreate --type raid0'
2022-04-17 19:56:40	Namarrgon	please post the pv output
2022-04-17 19:56:44	Namarrgon	please post the pvdisplay output
2022-04-17 19:58:34	gschanuel	pvdisplay output: https://gist.github.com/9fa2b5527b95431bb47766504eccd508
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2022-04-17 19:59:10	gschanuel	vgdisplay: https://gist.github.com/63f9d35ed23bd5e7e284a13cbf30ba36
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2022-04-17 20:00:17	Namarrgon	you wanted to grow the one in /dev/sdc2?
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2022-04-17 20:01:09	gschanuel	i want to use that free 7.28TB on the same VG (storage)
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2022-04-17 20:01:52	gschanuel	what I did was, deleted sdd3 and grow sdd2; then tried `xfs_growfs -d /dev/storage/storage`
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2022-04-17 20:06:09	gschanuel	lsblk output: https://gist.github.com/aeac68e9461852e40d895f510dfe9a6a
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2022-04-17 20:08:35	gschanuel	please tell me if I'm doing something stupid XD
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2022-04-17 20:12:11	gschanuel	`lvextend /dev/storage/storage /dev/sdd2`: https://gist.github.com/59880275811679e733b3060302783ac3
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2022-04-17 20:15:54	gschanuel	that lvextend output.. is it because I'm using stripe and the new sdd2 partition is bigger than sdc2? Do they need to be the same size for stripping?
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2022-04-18 12:57:55	danisanti	mion: where can I read, and maybe get the source code, about reiser4? does it uses balanced tree?
2022-04-18 12:58:21	mion	https://github.com/edward6/reiser4
2022-04-18 12:58:30	mion	is the maintained fork of reiser4
2022-04-18 12:59:00	danisanti	jelle: it is a pitty to deprecate reiserfs. as I said, the benchmarks may reveal something else, but *for me*, using reiserfs my OS is overall more responsive
2022-04-18 12:59:01	thrice	imo, you shouldn't consider any reiserfs these days. 3, 4, or this myster 5 :>
2022-04-18 12:59:14	jelle	danisanti: no one develops reiserfs
2022-04-18 12:59:23	jelle	I wouldn't trust it with my data
2022-04-18 12:59:50	GuiToris	I totally agree, you a more lightweight WM
2022-04-18 12:59:52	danisanti	it is ok. you can use any other filesystem
2022-04-18 12:59:53	GuiToris	use
2022-04-18 13:00:32	mion	reiser5 is the new "hotness" though
2022-04-18 13:01:07	jelle	mion: and who develops it? :)
2022-04-18 13:01:15	GuiToris	danisanti, i3 and your machine will fly
2022-04-18 13:01:19	GuiToris	even I can use it
2022-04-18 13:01:25	jelle	btrfs/ext/xfs at least have company backing
2022-04-18 13:01:52	danisanti	GuiToris: I use bspwm
2022-04-18 13:02:03	mion	jelle: the single person who have maintained reiser4 of course :p
2022-04-18 13:02:23	jelle	ooof
2022-04-18 13:02:26	danisanti	and it only flys when I am done with that computer and am very angry :-P
2022-04-18 13:03:28	mion	jelle: not sure if they are still getting darpa money for it
2022-04-18 13:03:39	mion	for reiser4/5 that is
2022-04-18 13:04:04	danisanti	mion: thank you for the link about reiser4. is reiser5 still very early to be used or already good for production?
2022-04-18 13:04:10	GuiToris	danisanti, maybe you should invest in new hardware
2022-04-18 13:04:37	danisanti	GuiToris: I won't invest in new hardware
2022-04-18 13:04:38	mion	danisanti: realisticly speaking its not good for anthnig
2022-04-18 13:04:41	mion	anything*
2022-04-18 13:04:49	thrice	a question about migrating from reiserfs4 to reiserfs5 is maybe the best we'll see this week :-)
2022-04-18 13:05:15	⚡ 	jelle wonders where the myth was born that reiserfs == good
2022-04-18 13:05:35	mion	jelle: reiserfs3 was pretty decent in the early days compared to ext3
2022-04-18 13:05:48	mion	but it pretty quickly fell behind
2022-04-18 13:05:53	thrice	yeah, it was the most popular when I started using linux
2022-04-18 13:05:53	GuiToris	jelle, opensuse distributed it
2022-04-18 13:06:01	jelle	mion: that is ages ago :)
2022-04-18 13:06:03	danisanti	jelle: good, is a personal stand point. not an universal truth. for me, reiserfs is faster
2022-04-18 13:06:22	jelle	danisanti: did you benchmark all other filesystems?
2022-04-18 13:06:34	mion	jelle: indeed, and while ext4 and xfs has improved massively, reiser(fs) have been pretty much stuck :p
2022-04-18 13:06:35	danisanti	jelle: no
2022-04-18 13:06:43	GuiToris	I thought as much
2022-04-18 13:06:49	jelle	danisanti: so then you can't claim anything :)
2022-04-18 13:06:53	thrice	it's all in your head, I think
2022-04-18 13:07:02	danisanti	jelle: I can claim for myself
2022-04-18 13:07:23	jelle	danisanti: no, that's called dreaming :)
2022-04-18 13:07:43	mion	danisanti: without actual tests you simply can not know
2022-04-18 13:08:00	danisanti	is there some moderation in here? jelle is being nasty
2022-04-18 13:08:15	GuiToris	I'm also a daydreamer, but I agree that we are talking about nothing
2022-04-18 13:08:36	GuiToris	he is convinced that reiserfs is the best. amen!
2022-04-18 13:08:51	danisanti	i am not a daydreamer and I am not like yourselfs
2022-04-18 13:09:05	danisanti	I like reiserfs, deal with it
2022-04-18 13:09:23	GuiToris	Hans, is that you?
2022-04-18 13:09:29	artefact	^
2022-04-18 13:09:30	jelle	please
2022-04-18 13:09:46	mion	its fine to like reiserfs, but that doesn't make it a good idea to use it in 2022
2022-04-18 13:10:28	artefact	"let's use a fs that was just marked deprecated in mainline"
2022-04-18 13:10:59	jelle	artefact: GuiToris pls stop the jokes
2022-04-18 13:11:20	jelle	GuiToris: does your bios not have any updates to maybe fix the faulty behaviour?
2022-04-18 13:12:17	GuiToris	is this a tab fail?
2022-04-18 13:12:33	jelle	yes
2022-04-18 13:12:44	danisanti	may you can control your own computers, instead of failing to try to control mine. I noticed that reiserfs will be deprecated, at least that is that information within this lunatics
2022-04-18 13:13:48	GuiToris	and you were even nice to him
2022-04-18 13:28:36	midicase	Somehow $PWD has been in my $PATH for the past month, but there is no "." entry in $PATH.  At a loss to try figure where this has been injected.  Checked the usual, /etc/bash.bashrc, ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bashrc, /etc/profile[.d]/.  Almost seems like malware but I only install from official repo, aur, or compile myself.  Any suggestions at where else to look?
2022-04-18 13:29:57	Namarrgon	the literal string "$PWD" is in $PATH?
2022-04-18 13:30:30	Namarrgon	are all user accounts affected?
2022-04-18 13:32:51	midicase	Whatever the present working directory is my path.
2022-04-18 13:33:37	midicase	I'll add a new user and check there, good idea.
2022-04-18 13:39:49	midicase	I created a new local account and it is not affected.   
2022-04-18 13:58:46	damjan	any `eval`s in ~/.bashrc ?
2022-04-18 14:05:02	midicase	No evals in .bashrc.   Still going through sourced files and systematically commenting out.
2022-04-18 14:08:18	midicase	Found it.   export PATH=:$PATH:~/bin     That leading colon after the equal caused it.  That colon has been there for 6 years, so I suspect a change in Bash.
2022-04-18 14:13:45	Scimmia	it's been that way a long time, you probably just didn't notice
2022-04-18 14:18:26	Danilo82	is it possible to encrypt a file and use its own hash as password? to create an open secret
2022-04-18 14:19:51	GuiToris	Danilo82, paradox?
2022-04-18 14:21:02	GuiToris	you do not know the file's hash in advance
2022-04-18 14:21:10	GuiToris	or do you?
2022-04-18 14:21:58	GuiToris	gpg --encrypt sekret
2022-04-18 14:22:09	GuiToris	you'll have a new file called sekret.gpg
2022-04-18 14:22:48	GuiToris	-c and it's symmetric and you can provide a passwd
2022-04-18 14:22:57	GuiToris	but still you'll have a new file
2022-04-18 14:23:51	v9fk	!vim
2022-04-18 14:23:52	phrik	You can't stop here, this is vim country!
2022-04-18 14:24:25	GuiToris	Danilo82, I guess it goes without saying that the two files do not have the same hash :)
2022-04-18 14:31:24	Danilo82	'^'
2022-04-18 14:31:28	Danilo82	sad
2022-04-18 14:33:28	GuiToris	hmm, I don't know... I can't see the point of it
2022-04-18 14:33:50	artefact	there's lots of use cases. it's basically a content-adressable encrypted hashtable
2022-04-18 14:33:55	GuiToris	why would you encrypt it if you want anyone to be able to read it?
2022-04-18 14:34:09	artefact	see, eg, freenet for a "large-ish" usecase
2022-04-18 14:36:04	Danilo82	not anyone, only the people who know what hash to use
2022-04-18 14:37:55	GuiToris	I'm sure you will find another clever solution :)
2022-04-18 14:40:00	artefact	GuiToris: where's the paradox? 
2022-04-18 14:40:44	GuiToris	you cannot enter the hash of the encrypted file as a password
2022-04-18 14:40:58	artefact	i think Danilo82 meant, the hash of the plaintext
2022-04-18 14:41:09	GuiToris	that won't work
2022-04-18 14:41:31	GuiToris	you cannot guess the hash of the plain file
2022-04-18 14:41:56	GuiToris	you could use any password then
2022-04-18 14:42:12	artefact	i don't think i understand what you mean. never mind
2022-04-18 14:42:51	GuiToris	I think I understand what he meant, and he cannot do that, if you change the password the hash will also change
2022-04-18 14:43:37	GuiToris	he wants it to be opened by anyone who knows how to look at the hash of the file
2022-04-18 15:27:20	analoq	is anyone here setting a customer power limit to a nvidia gpu via nvidia-smi through a systemd service?
2022-04-18 15:29:00	analoq	doing it manually it works fine, through this service file https://dpaste.com//4TDN6NNL7 journalctl tells me it supposedly works, but checking via nvidia-smi reveals that the card still uses the default power limit
2022-04-18 15:37:19	sorta	!ping
2022-04-18 15:37:19	phrik	pong
2022-04-18 15:37:28	sorta	woohoo local znc setup works!
2022-04-18 15:37:31	DeepDayze	It's alive!
2022-04-18 15:37:39	sorta	it's beautiful
2022-04-18 15:37:52	DeepDayze	Yup
2022-04-18 15:37:56	sorta	so i spent all of my azure student credit for nothing? :O
2022-04-18 15:38:23	DeepDayze	Arch on Azure has to be so beautiful
2022-04-18 15:38:35	sorta	nope mine was debian
2022-04-18 15:38:44	sorta	im currently using void for my znc server
2022-04-18 15:38:45	DeepDayze	think Arch is also supported
2022-04-18 15:38:55	sorta	its a small weak machine that will run 24x7
2022-04-18 15:39:12	DeepDayze	use a Pi as a server :^)
2022-04-18 15:39:29	DeepDayze	Tiny box that could!
2022-04-18 15:39:39	sorta	i already had this really old laptop lying around so i thought why not?
2022-04-18 15:39:55	DeepDayze	old laptops as servers is pretty nifty
2022-04-18 15:40:24	DeepDayze	bet it can serve basic web pages pretty well
2022-04-18 15:40:54	DeepDayze	or even host a simple database
2022-04-18 15:41:08	sorta	yeah ofc, I'm thinking of even hosting a pihole on it
2022-04-18 15:41:23	DeepDayze	someone I know uses his old laptop to host a forum on
2022-04-18 15:41:24	sorta	2G RAM? boy that's so much in serverland :D esp on void
2022-04-18 15:41:41	DeepDayze	2G on a server is pretty  usable
2022-04-18 15:41:53	DeepDayze	as you have no X or any hogs on it
2022-04-18 15:42:45	sorta	if only i could ssh into this thing i could find how much memory its using (i hate its tiny keyboard and want to avoid it if youre wondering why i dont just physically type it out in the laptop :D)
2022-04-18 15:42:47	DeepDayze	I read somewhere there's even a server that runs MS-DOS :)
2022-04-18 15:43:34	DeepDayze	if you have ssh installed on the lappy you should then be able to get into it
2022-04-18 15:43:53	DeepDayze	ssh should be part of every server install
2022-04-18 15:44:55	sorta	i did but i can't login for some reason
2022-04-18 15:46:34	sorta	and now i can have a buffer of 5000 lines :D
2022-04-18 15:48:07	sorta	hehe i was writing the username wrong, i thought i had kept the user as "user" but it was satto :D
2022-04-18 15:49:40	DeepDayze	Lol brain fart :)
2022-04-18 15:51:43	analoq	DeepDayze: same, i wish there was a proper arm board with aes-ni 3:
2022-04-18 15:53:19	demonicmaniac1	armv8 has aes-ni
2022-04-18 15:53:30	demonicmaniac1	so every 64bit arm soc does
2022-04-18 15:54:01	analoq	demonicmaniac1: isnt the pi 64bit?
2022-04-18 15:54:12	DeepDayze	think the new Pi has aes support
2022-04-18 15:54:14	analoq	afaik it's an option, you can decide not to buy it
2022-04-18 15:54:23	analoq	which is what the rpi foundation did
2022-04-18 15:54:53	analoq	https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=259588
2022-04-18 15:54:56	DeepDayze	I am thinking of getting a Pi to use as a desktop
2022-04-18 15:55:08	DeepDayze	think of all the space I'd save
2022-04-18 15:55:55	analoq	i would rather buy one of those nucs
2022-04-18 15:56:21	sorta	i feel like  a fangirl rn lol
2022-04-18 15:57:49	demonicmaniac1	just another reason why to never get a pi and go rockchip instead
2022-04-18 15:58:04	demonicmaniac1	on top of the million others already
2022-04-18 15:58:10	analoq	yeah
2022-04-18 16:00:20	sorta	is there something better than pihole ?
2022-04-18 16:01:44	analoq	idk how big the overlap between pfsense and pihole is
2022-04-18 16:06:56	DeepDayze	good to see there's female Arch-ers :)
2022-04-18 16:09:02	ayekat	you mean there's also male archers?
2022-04-18 16:11:08	sorta	wait i thought this was a technical room.... there's archers here now?
2022-04-18 16:11:12	sorta	:p
2022-04-18 16:11:29	DeepDayze	lol 
2022-04-18 16:11:38	DeepDayze	No offense meant :)
2022-04-18 16:14:08	artefact	isn't pihole just software? afaik you don't have to run it on a rpi
2022-04-18 16:15:00	Edu4rdSHL	> is there something better than pihole ?
2022-04-18 16:15:07	Edu4rdSHL	Blocking hosts in /etc/hosts
2022-04-18 16:15:11	Edu4rdSHL	jk :p
2022-04-18 16:16:27	artefact	i used to use privoxy back then. it broke a lot of stuff. now i use umatrix+container tabs, and it breaks everything
2022-04-18 16:17:43	Edu4rdSHL	I wish /etc/hosts support drop-in files... currently I use system-wide hosts blocking through /etc/hosts + ublock
2022-04-18 16:17:48	Edu4rdSHL	It works very well tbh
2022-04-18 16:19:03	Edu4rdSHL	https://github.com/Edu4rdSHL/linuxscripts/blob/master/etc/systemd/system/update-ablock-hosts.service
2022-04-18 16:19:46	cinco	I use dnsmasq
2022-04-18 16:23:15	cinco	you can place multiple hosts files in a directory
2022-04-18 16:26:09	DeepDayze	for a browser I use ublock origin and it works well
2022-04-18 16:26:30	DeepDayze	UO came a long way and it also used to break things
2022-04-18 16:29:34	analoq	would be cool if uo would give generic block suggestions based on class/id/ of the element or subelement somehow
2022-04-18 16:30:10	analoq	because these days there are alot of elements with random numbers
2022-04-18 16:30:45	analoq	or maybe there is a way but i havent found it yet
2022-04-18 16:31:00	Bayes	 I haven't updated in no more than a few days and I have 96 upgrades in... what are the chances that I won't have a headache in 10 mintues?
2022-04-18 16:31:11	dan01	In the iprouter2 package, there's an ip command
2022-04-18 16:31:23	dan01	And in the ip command you have ip link. What does link mean?
2022-04-18 16:32:15	BrainDamage	Bayes: arch tracks stable releases, if you don't use weird software chances are you won't have issues
2022-04-18 16:33:41	BrainDamage	dan01: ip link operates at the ... link level of the iso/osi stack
2022-04-18 16:33:56	dan01	BrainDamage: oh ok
2022-04-18 16:34:20	dan01	BrainDamage: So that means.... MAC Addresses?
2022-04-18 16:34:44	dan01	Like, I saw you can add a link device, like a bridge, not sure what that means
2022-04-18 16:35:04	BrainDamage	mac addresses, vlan, upp'ing an interface, etc
2022-04-18 16:35:24	analoq	BrainDamage: isn't 'link' mostly used to interact with the 'ethernet device' itself? e.g. ip link up/down to turn a dev on/off?
2022-04-18 16:35:55	sorta	!ping
2022-04-18 16:35:56	phrik	pong
2022-04-18 16:36:06	BrainDamage	analoq: still within the link abstraction
2022-04-18 16:36:29	analoq	idk turning a dev on/off would imho be something like layer0
2022-04-18 16:36:31	BrainDamage	analoq: you won't see, eg line coding settings
2022-04-18 16:39:59	Edu4rdSHL	dan01, `man ip`
2022-04-18 16:40:01	Edu4rdSHL	:D
2022-04-18 16:40:40	Edu4rdSHL	Or, `man ip-link`, exactly
2022-04-18 16:40:54	Bayes	BrainDamage fingers crossed I guess, though from time to time some python lib updates and breaks a small thing here and there
2022-04-18 16:41:17	Edu4rdSHL	Bayes, do you mean AUR packages?
2022-04-18 16:41:18	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-04-18 16:41:47	Bayes	also, a problem I have is that I don't really have a way to track which of my AUR packages has a dependency updated, so I typically don't know which AUr package update until something breaks
2022-04-18 16:42:32	BrainDamage	rebuild-detector
2022-04-18 16:43:48	analoq	these login security measures are getting ridiculous online. i cant even login to gitlab anymore 'Login failed. Please retry from your primary device and network.' Github requires me to click an email everytime. google wants my phonenumber D:
2022-04-18 16:44:10	lpv	guys do you have any idea why this line resets at reboot? sudo ip route add default via 192.168.1.1 dev wlan0
2022-04-18 16:44:11	lpv	I tried pi-hole on this system and something broke on my net configuration and this one fixes it but keeps resetting. Is there a more 'correct' way of setting a gateway?
2022-04-18 16:44:11	Bayes	at this point, shouldn't I use yay or something that will integrate AUR packages into my pacman morning routine?
2022-04-18 16:44:15	Edu4rdSHL	analoq, and how's that ridiculous?
2022-04-18 16:44:32	analoq	Edu4rdSHL: how is not being able to login not ridiculous?
2022-04-18 16:44:54	BrainDamage	if you setup 2fa using otp on github, you can login even with anti-fingerprint countermeasures
2022-04-18 16:44:55	Edu4rdSHL	analoq, you're being able to login, you just need to prove your identity which is fine
2022-04-18 16:45:00	analoq	no i cant
2022-04-18 16:45:20	analoq	gitlab literally tells me, use your primary device. well this is my primary device
2022-04-18 16:45:27	Edu4rdSHL	lpv, because that's how it works
2022-04-18 16:46:01	Edu4rdSHL	Allt e changes that you made using `ip` in your command line will only last until reboot
2022-04-18 16:46:44	BrainDamage	use networkd or similar connection management daemons to create automatic changes at startup
2022-04-18 16:46:56	BrainDamage	how did you configure the network when you installed arch?
2022-04-18 16:47:42	lpv	I actually ended up copying the configs from iso
2022-04-18 16:47:55	Edu4rdSHL	analoq, https://forum.gitlab.com/t/unable-to-login-on-gitlab-com-login-failed-please-retry-from-your-primary-device-and-network/68173/2
2022-04-18 16:47:56	phrik	Title: Unable to login on gitlab.com: "Login failed. Please retry from your primary device and network." - #2 by 999eagle - How to Use GitLab - GitLab Forum (at forum.gitlab.com)
2022-04-18 16:48:04	Edu4rdSHL	Looks like a recent issue with Gitlab
2022-04-18 16:48:48	Edu4rdSHL	lpv, which network manager are you using?
2022-04-18 16:49:09	analoq	Edu4rdSHL: it screws over every user on a dynamic ip :P
2022-04-18 16:49:27	lpv	default arch networkd/resolved
2022-04-18 16:49:40	another|	arch has no default
2022-04-18 16:50:20	Edu4rdSHL	analoq, it seems. Gitlab making ridiculous changes, such as the default "root" password for new accounts being exposed in a commit. :)
2022-04-18 16:50:26	ayekat	lpv: do you obtain the IP address for wlan0 via DHCP?
2022-04-18 16:51:29	lpv	ayekat I've set a static IP
2022-04-18 16:51:36	Edu4rdSHL	lpv, `man systemd-networkd`, [Network] section
2022-04-18 16:51:57	ayekat	lpv: and have you also set a gateway? if not, see ^
2022-04-18 16:52:18	Edu4rdSHL	systemd.network *
2022-04-18 16:55:20	lpv	ok yeah I'll be trying that. It's just weird, it worked before without setting it? Or it was set somewhere else that got messed with pi-hole.. anyhow
2022-04-18 16:58:17	lpv	thanks guys that worked. Should have tried that myself really but thought that command might do sth more than that
2022-04-18 16:59:02	Edu4rdSHL	!next
2022-04-18 16:59:04	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-04-18 17:00:25	dan01	Is systemd-boot and alternative to GRUB?
2022-04-18 17:00:35	dan01	Or are they complementary?
2022-04-18 17:00:50	Namarrgon	you would use one or the other
2022-04-18 17:07:57	mion	analoq: webauth all the things
2022-04-18 17:13:42	dan01	Namarrgon: So then are all distros using systemd also using system-boot?
2022-04-18 17:14:06	Namarrgon	no, they don't have to be used together
2022-04-18 17:14:44	gschanuel	hello there
2022-04-18 17:17:18	gschanuel	I created a LVM with raid0 using `lvcreate --type raid0 -n storage storage /dev/sdc2 /sdd2`; sdc2 and sdd2 have both 4.5TiB. I freed up some space on sdd and now I want to allocate that free space on the LVM. I grew the sdd2 partition but I can't find a way to tell the volume group to use that free space. Here are the output from vgdisplay,
2022-04-18 17:17:18	gschanuel	lvdisplay and pvdisplay https://gist.github.com/91bce7e664f85a93d5311d73833522dc
2022-04-18 17:18:25	Edu4rdSHL	dan01, yes, it's an alternative to GRUB. They aren't complementary.
2022-04-18 17:18:49	Edu4rdSHL	systemd-boot only works for UEFI systems, keep that in mind.
2022-04-18 17:18:51	another|	gschanuel: man vgextend
2022-04-18 17:19:01	gschanuel	when I try `lvextend -L +7TB /dev/storage/storage` I get Insufficient suitable allocatable extents for logical volume storage: 1835008 more required
2022-04-18 17:19:40	another|	errr.. man pvresize
2022-04-18 17:21:14	gschanuel	another| the sdd2 pv already sees the new size: PV Size 11.73 TiB
2022-04-18 17:21:35	gschanuel	vgdisplay shows Free  PE / Size       1907192 / <7.28 TiB
2022-04-18 17:22:08	gschanuel	my doubt is, since I'm using raid0, does it mean both PVs must be the same size?
2022-04-18 17:22:49	another|	that'd make sense
2022-04-18 17:26:53	gschanuel	another|, it does, doesn't it?! I was hoping I could just resize the partition and allocate it 
2022-04-18 17:27:13	gschanuel	just wanted to be extra sure
2022-04-18 17:33:07	gschanuel	I was hoping lvm could stripe the first 4.5TB and just "automagically" identify the rest as non "strippeable" :-P
2022-04-18 17:57:38	gschanuel	I created a new partition, created the PV, extended the VG and resized LV but still not working :-( 
2022-04-18 17:58:01	gschanuel	vgdisplay still shows Free  PE / Size       1896191 / 7.23 TiB
2022-04-18 17:58:56	gschanuel	maybe I should have created a simple raid0 with mdadm using both partitions, and only than creating the LVM
2022-04-18 18:09:31	Namarrgon	gschanuel: you can't extend the striped LV if you have free space only on one of the PVs
2022-04-18 18:09:47	Namarrgon	best you can do is to create another LV in this VG
2022-04-18 18:21:24	gschanuel	Namarrgon, so, the way I did the stripe I will not be able to mount a single block device to the SO, right? I mean.. even if I create another LV i'll have to use two different mount points
2022-04-18 18:21:46	Namarrgon	"SO"?
2022-04-18 18:22:06	gschanuel	sorry.. OS.. 
2022-04-18 18:22:06	Namarrgon	yes, the LV will be separate from the other one
2022-04-18 18:23:20	gschanuel	to use stripe and LVM, I should have gone with a soft raid on the same sized partitions, and then LVM with the other one
2022-04-18 18:23:22	gschanuel	damn
2022-04-18 18:25:01	Namarrgon	you can do the same by having the PVs stretch over the entire device
2022-04-18 19:34:15	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-18 19:39:57	Dotz0cat_	I recently had to make a gpg key for stuff. I made it in a nspawn container. I would like to also have it on my main/host machine. What is the view of having the same key on multiple machines?
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2022-04-18 19:40:53	BrainDamage	it's twice as hard to lose it, and it's twice as easy to get stolen
2022-04-18 19:41:03	BrainDamage	you win some, lose some
2022-04-18 19:42:13	teraflops	Using a smartcard e.g yubikey simplifies the situation
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2022-04-18 19:42:32	teraflops	as the private key is on the smartcard
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2022-04-18 19:44:28	Namarrgon	you can forward the gpg-agent socket and use the same key from multiple locations
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2022-04-18 20:39:21	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1476 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1474 normals)
2022-04-18 20:19:14	oaken-source	is it still possible to configure libvirtd for group-based access control instead of polkit?
2022-04-18 20:19:27	oaken-source	can't seem to get it to work, wiki page seems to be out of date on this matter
2022-04-18 20:21:28	Edu4rdSHL	oaken-source, why you dont get it to work?
2022-04-18 20:21:31	Edu4rdSHL	What have you tried?
2022-04-18 20:22:14	oaken-source	first I tried to edit the socket permissions in /etc/libvirt/libvirtd.conf, but these were ignored. the socket permissions did not change.
2022-04-18 20:22:32	oaken-source	then I realized that these sockets were created by systemd, so I masked them and had them created by the libvirtd process instead
2022-04-18 20:22:58	oaken-source	now the socket permissions are correct, but `virsh -c qemu:///system` still complains that polkit isn't setup
2022-04-18 20:23:18	oaken-source	error: authentication unavailable: no polkit agent available to authenticate action 'org.libvirt.unix.manage'
2022-04-18 20:23:29	Edu4rdSHL	oaken-source, all you need to do is to add the user to the libvirt group, not sure why you're doing that thing
2022-04-18 20:23:30	oaken-source	the user is in the libvirt group as well.
2022-04-18 20:23:58	Edu4rdSHL	And you have re-login after adding the user to the group?
2022-04-18 20:24:09	oaken-source	yes. and rebooted for good measure.
2022-04-18 20:24:11	oaken-source	twice.
2022-04-18 20:25:05	oaken-source	(I did that before doing all the other things I listed above)
2022-04-18 20:26:15	oaken-source	I think what usually happens is that polkit takes care of this stuff gracefully with default rules, but there is no polkit agent on this system, it's headless so there's no DE to start an agent
2022-04-18 20:26:20	Edu4rdSHL	Can you run just `virsh` ?
2022-04-18 20:26:46	oaken-source	I can, but that defaults ot using the qemu:///session connection uri, which works because it starts a new libvirt instance.
2022-04-18 20:26:53	oaken-source	but I need it to use the system session
2022-04-18 20:27:48	oaken-source	`virsh` is the same as `virsh -c qemu:///session`
2022-04-18 20:28:00	oaken-source	that's another can of worms -- the config setting to change this default uri doesn't work.
2022-04-18 20:28:52	oaken-source	I should be able to set it in /etc/libvirt/libvirt.conf, but nothing changes when I do
2022-04-18 20:29:26	Edu4rdSHL	Is polkit installed and polkit.service running?
2022-04-18 20:30:20	oaken-source	polkit is installed as a dependency for libvirt. polkit.service is running. no idea what started it, I certainly didn't.
2022-04-18 20:31:35	oaken-source	(probably also socket activated)
2022-04-18 20:32:07	oaken-source	looks like it. immediately restarts when I stop it
2022-04-18 20:32:20	Edu4rdSHL	oaken-source, what's the output of `groups`
2022-04-18 20:32:46	oaken-source	libvirt oaken-source
2022-04-18 20:33:36	Edu4rdSHL	Well, I can't reproduce the issue here. Have you checked the system logs?
2022-04-18 20:34:07	oaken-source	nothing recent in there as far as I can see.
2022-04-18 20:34:16	oaken-source	do you have a polkit agent?
2022-04-18 20:34:54	oaken-source	(if you use a desktop environment, you likely do)
2022-04-18 20:35:40	Edu4rdSHL	oaken-source, the polkit thing shouldn't matter if your user is member of libvirt
2022-04-18 20:36:08	oaken-source	it actually does, a bit. this is because of the interaction between systemd and libvirt, if libvirt is socket-activated.
2022-04-18 20:36:17	oaken-source	the manpage of libvirtd talks about this a bit
2022-04-18 20:37:03	oaken-source	when the libvirt service is socket activated, then the sockets are opened by systemd, which has no knowledge of the settings in /etc/libvirt/libvirtd.conf. so the libvirt group is not applied to the socket, which causes libvirt to fall back to polkit auth
2022-04-18 20:37:04	ponies	oaken-source: what if you made yourself a member of the wheel group? 
2022-04-18 20:37:55	oaken-source	I can try that
2022-04-18 20:39:21	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-18 20:43:33	oaken-source	no change. but what did help was running
2022-04-18 20:43:35	oaken-source	sudo chgrp -R libvirt /run/libvirt/
2022-04-18 20:43:35	oaken-source	sudo chmod -R g+rw /run/libvirt/
2022-04-18 20:43:50	oaken-source	some socket permissions are messed up somewhere.
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2022-04-18 20:44:27	oaken-source	my guess would be that polkit masks this behaviour by providing default rules that allow access for the libvirt group.
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2022-04-18 20:46:43	thurstylark	I think my friend's modem is going bad because their smart tv often won't be able to keep up streaming through a full movie, but I need more evidence before I can convince them to spend money on a new one. What tool can I use to monitor the connection and catch it in the act?
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2022-04-19 10:45:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-04-19 09:29:08	fruity_tomato	good morning all
2022-04-19 09:33:34	jirido	morning
2022-04-19 09:36:26	jirido	 I did go begging for a a string in #bash to convert 128px png's and emanuele6 helped me with it. So here is a link to an early and sweet Buuf-Deuce 1.1-R9 icon pack that now works with both gtk2 and gtk3.. 
2022-04-19 09:36:35	jirido	https://archive.org/details/buuf-deuce.tar
2022-04-19 09:36:36	phrik	Title: Buuf Deuce.tar : Mattahan at devianart.com : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive (at archive.org)
2022-04-19 09:36:58	jirido	poprocks: I did go begging for a a string in #bash and emanuele6 helped me with it. So here is a link to an early and sweet Buuf-Deuce 1.1-R9 that works with both gtk2 and gtk3.. I like it much better than Buuf-Deuce 3.32 that is much more agressive in style.
2022-04-19 09:37:26	jirido	bah..
2022-04-19 09:38:41	⚡ 	jirido blushes of embarasment over doubble posting
2022-04-19 09:56:44	fruity_tomato	hello
2022-04-19 09:57:33	fruity_tomato	im trying to setup keymap but seems that for my language there is qwertz layour instead of qwerty
2022-04-19 09:58:22	fruity_tomato	if i do KEYMAP=slovene, seems it is qwertz, bu if i do via 'setxkbmap si', it is the correct layout
2022-04-19 09:58:31	fruity_tomato	so qwerty
2022-04-19 10:02:37	fruity_tomato	my locale.conf https://paste.sh/vNHcV04d#uKg-nDVASb33z0Y6PfmXtgfZ
2022-04-19 10:02:37	phrik	Title: paste.sh · encrypted pastebin (at paste.sh)
2022-04-19 10:02:38	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/ocRX.txt
2022-04-19 10:05:07	mkoskar	fruity_tomato: KEYMAP=slovene is for console, setxkbmap is for X, they are different because they are different things
2022-04-19 10:05:25	fruity_tomato	ahhh
2022-04-19 10:05:53	mkoskar	you can edit/adjust keymap for console pretty easily
2022-04-19 10:07:22	fruity_tomato	when you say "console", that's the terminal?
2022-04-19 10:07:37	emanuele6	console is not the terminal
2022-04-19 10:08:04	fruity_tomato	ah, i see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Linux_console
2022-04-19 10:08:05	phrik	Title: Linux console - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-19 10:12:20	mkoskar	fruity_tomato: create this https://0x0.st/ocRN.txt as /etc/vconsole-keymap.map and put KEYMAP=/etc/vconsole-keymap.map into /etc/vconsole.conf
2022-04-19 10:15:56	mkoskar	actually this would be nicer https://0x0.st/ocRb.txt anyway you get the idea
2022-04-19 10:20:13	fruity_tomato	mkoskar thanks! i'll try
2022-04-19 10:27:24	fruity_tomato	so localectl status shows the custom keymap but setxkbmap si -print shows qwertz under keycodes
2022-04-19 10:27:50	fruity_tomato	hmm
2022-04-19 10:33:51	mkoskar	fruity_tomato: you have to use "us" variant apparently, so try $ setxkbmap -layout si -variant us
2022-04-19 10:34:29	mkoskar	also that means you previous claim that you get qwerty under X was erroneous
2022-04-19 10:34:33	mkoskar	*your
2022-04-19 10:35:26	mkoskar	have a look at /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/si there are 3 variants
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2022-04-19 10:48:51	DF32	Hey. Running `sudo pacman -Syu`  to upgrade the packages gives me a cyclic dependency problem: `harfbuzz will be installed before dependency freetype2`.
2022-04-19 10:48:52	DF32	To fix this do I just upgrade `freetype2` first or the problem is more complex than that?
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2022-04-19 10:52:40	NetSysFire	this is just a warning instead of a fatal error, right?
2022-04-19 10:52:57	NetSysFire	this happens sometimes and i would just ignore it for now as there is no real potential for race conditions here
2022-04-19 10:53:27	DF32	NetSysFire Yes, just a warning. I didn't proceed with the upgrade
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2022-04-19 10:54:16	DF32	How do you know tho, that there is no "real potencial for race conditions"?
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2022-04-19 10:54:46	NetSysFire	because both are just libs and the actual upgrade will be done in seconds
2022-04-19 10:55:04	NetSysFire	so as long as you dont start an application within these 5 seconds or so you will be fine
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2022-04-19 16:24:51	Scimmia	artefact: which still needs to go on the ESP, so it still has to be mounted somewhere, why not /boot?
2022-04-19 16:24:56	MacGyver	Oh, important note: my separate /boot *is* the ESP.
2022-04-19 16:25:14	Gagis	yeah I use esp as /boot too, I just made mine to small and regret it :P
2022-04-19 16:25:25	Exa	Scimmia: I probably don't need the bind mount, it's just that the ESP is usually mounted there.  For ext2, it's an old practice, that doesn't have much meaning.
2022-04-19 16:25:28	rcf	Exa: /boot on ESP is quite common, as you may see. DOn't bother with bind mounts, it's not needed. 
2022-04-19 16:25:45	artefact	MacGyver: same method your firmware reads any other bootloader? it lives on the esp
2022-04-19 16:25:57	Exa	I will use rEFInd on this machine, not GRUB
2022-04-19 16:25:58	MacGyver	artefact: Hence you have a separate /boot, which is your ESP.
2022-04-19 16:26:03	Scimmia	Exa: 'usually mounted there', no, it's not. As for the 'old practice', that went out of date 20+ years ago
2022-04-19 16:26:08	artefact	MacGyver: esp isn't /boot
2022-04-19 16:26:18	MacGyver	Exa: Mount the ESP *as* /boot and you're done.
2022-04-19 16:26:21	MacGyver	artefact: Yes it is.
2022-04-19 16:26:40	MacGyver	I frown upon this idea of separating /EFI and /boot.
2022-04-19 16:26:51	Scimmia	artefact: why not?
2022-04-19 16:26:54	rcf	They serve exactly the same function. 
2022-04-19 16:27:09	MacGyver	Or whatever they snuck into the current installation instructions.
2022-04-19 16:28:08	artefact	the esp doesn't care about how it's mounted. the /boot partition is... by definition mounted on /boot
2022-04-19 16:28:29	artefact	you can mount esp in /boot, sure. but not all ESPs are boot partitions
2022-04-19 16:28:55	Scimmia	artefact: that's a choice you make, don't assume everyone makes that choice or that it's a good one
2022-04-19 16:29:02	Exa	is there a maximum size for an ESP?  old boards may have issues with ESP different than 512MB but it's probably not my case.  was planning to use something like 4GB, in case I make a multiboot
2022-04-19 16:29:09	artefact	i'm not talking about choice. i'm talking about how things work
2022-04-19 16:29:25	Scimmia	Exa: only in that fat32 has a maximum
2022-04-19 16:29:27	rcf	As to how things work, the ESP is functionally identical in every way to a traditional /boot 
2022-04-19 16:29:37	MacGyver	Exa: I've never had a board that had a problem with ESPs different than 512MB.
2022-04-19 16:29:40	Exa	Scimmia: ok, this is what I'm expecting, thanks
2022-04-19 16:29:58	MacGyver	Exa: In fact, Windows used to create ESPs much smaller than that and I can't imagine that was an issue.
2022-04-19 16:30:05	Exa	MacGyver: I think I did, many years ago
2022-04-19 16:30:22	rcf	MacGyver: with modern kernels it is 
2022-04-19 16:30:39	Scimmia	rcf: ???
2022-04-19 16:30:40	MacGyver	rcf: An issue as in, that you can't boot from them.
2022-04-19 16:30:46	MacGyver	rcf: Not an issue as in, your kernels won't fit.
2022-04-19 16:30:50	MacGyver	That was *definitely* an issue.
2022-04-19 16:31:01	MacGyver	Still is, in fact.
2022-04-19 16:31:13	rcf	True. 
2022-04-19 16:31:32	rcf	Size only matters if you intend to actually use it; otherwise the firmware doesn't care 
2022-04-19 16:31:41	artefact	esp usage depends on your bootloader choice... and if you mount it in /boot or not (it doesn't *have* to contain vmlinuz/initramfs)
2022-04-19 16:31:52	artefact	if you just put grubx64.efi on it you can get by with five megs
2022-04-19 16:32:17	Scimmia	rcf: how would you not use it? The firmware has to read from somewhere
2022-04-19 16:32:29	MacGyver	artefact: No, it doesn't, but the point is that there's no sensible reason to *not* have vmlinuz/initramfs on the ESP and then what's the point of not mounting it on /boot.
2022-04-19 16:32:34	Exa	Also I have another question.  If I extend an lvm volume, how will the partition grow?  I used lvm on a dedicated server with virtual machines, and I believe so-called "cloud" images you find are configured to automatically grow partition at boot.  but how is it done?
2022-04-19 16:32:45	Scimmia	MacGyver: fat32 sucks, so there is some reason
2022-04-19 16:32:46	rcf	Scimmia: you would not use it if it is too small to install the kernel. 
2022-04-19 16:33:16	MacGyver	Exa: There's a few different ways.
2022-04-19 16:33:28	MacGyver	Exa: Either you pass --resizefs (or somesuch) to the lvresize command.
2022-04-19 16:33:35	Scimmia	rcf: you're still using it, just not for the kernel images then
2022-04-19 16:33:37	MacGyver	Exa: Or you explicitly run the resize2fs command after resizing.
2022-04-19 16:33:48	MacGyver	Exa: The wiki-page on LVM has that info.
2022-04-19 16:34:13	artefact	MacGyver: there's a few reasons. either to use features not in fat32, like snapshotting, or because you're multi-booting several distros that would clobber /boot if it was the ESP (which you can only have one of)
2022-04-19 16:34:14	MacGyver	Exa: What "cloud" images usually do is to simply resizefs themselves upon first boot.
2022-04-19 16:34:20	rcf	Scimmia: the firmware is using it, yet you might not be able to. It's a wholly pedantic distinction. 
2022-04-19 16:34:46	Scimmia	rcf: you're making no sense at all
2022-04-19 16:35:17	Exa	MacGyver: but how can they check the "physical" size that is available to grow the partition?  does it mean a particular script is added in the initramfs (so the root partition is not yet mounted)?
2022-04-19 16:35:53	Exa	I wonder if the arch linux cloud image does that too, I think I confirmed the thing only with Debian
2022-04-19 16:36:27	rcf	Exa: you get the physical device size from the kernel and then adjust the partition table to match. 
2022-04-19 16:36:51	MacGyver	Exa: Depending on the exact implementation, they'll grow the partition in the partition table itself to fill up all available space.
2022-04-19 16:36:55	rcf	Exa: it's the same as when you create a new partition table in fdisk, for example. 
2022-04-19 16:37:06	MacGyver	Exa: I've never seen one that functions correctly if the partition to grow *isn't* the last partition on-disk.
2022-04-19 16:38:05	MacGyver	Exa: The steps to take then are "create new partition, add to LVM, grow logical volume into it."
2022-04-19 16:38:17	MacGyver	Exa: But I've never seen an automated process for that one.
2022-04-19 16:38:42	jirido	cinco: It does exists.. Now i think I make scripts in ~/bin/dark/.. like dark-MyEvilGtk3App to launch with "GTK_THEME=$MY_DARK_LORD MyEvilGtk3App"  and then define a MY_DARK_LORD=Ultimate-Dark-Grey in .xinitrc and edit the .desktop files topoint to the "dark bin" for the needing gtk3 programs. Will this work?
2022-04-19 16:39:27	jirido	An uggly hack
2022-04-19 16:39:50	⚡ 	jirido is an evil boy!
2022-04-19 16:40:28	MacGyver	artefact: Re: a non-racy way to check uptime: exactly what's the TOCTOU issue you see with checking /proc/uptime and then /proc/x/stat?
2022-04-19 16:40:39	MacGyver	artefact: Accuracy because of time elapsed?
2022-04-19 16:41:53	MacGyver	artefact: If that kind of accuracy matters I don't think there's a reliable way available because you can't prevent preemption.
2022-04-19 16:44:52	rcf	MacGyver: I have used exactly one Debian variant which did function independently of the partition layout... by using btrfs. This being some time ago it was a bit of a trash fire. 
2022-04-19 16:55:24	gnaggnoyil	Does anybody know which command "append_path" is?
2022-04-19 16:55:52	gnaggnoyil	Found that command in /etc/profile.d/perlbin.sh but I've no idea what it is
2022-04-19 16:55:57	grawity	it's a custom shell function defined in /etc/profile
2022-04-19 16:56:02	Scimmia	gnaggnoyil: because you didn't merge your .pacnew files
2022-04-19 16:56:37	Scimmia	or wait, you didn't say it was an error, nevermind
2022-04-19 16:56:56	Scimmia	we got that a lot when it changed from appendpath, I jumped too quickly
2022-04-19 16:57:07	Scimmia	or append-path, whatever it was
2022-04-19 16:57:25	jirido	How do I establish a variable in the x environment from the terminal without loging out and in? I have it in .xinitrc..
2022-04-19 16:58:28	gnaggnoyil	Scimmia: thx. I guess that's the reason why /etc/profile.d/*.sh works well but emits error when directly sourcing them
2022-04-19 16:59:01	lf94	So guys, did I mess up this AUR package? Should it actually have -git instead? https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ems-qart
2022-04-19 16:59:05	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - ems-qart (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-04-19 17:00:10	Edu4rdSHL	gnaggnoyil, check /etc/profile :)
2022-04-19 17:00:34	ponies	lf94: put 'git' in makedepends?
2022-04-19 17:01:31	ponies	and: git://github.com/XYZ/pkg.git
2022-04-19 17:01:35	lf94	ponies: I mean the name
2022-04-19 17:01:42	lf94	Should I have suffixed it with -git?...
2022-04-19 17:01:56	lf94	git is not necessary to build.
2022-04-19 17:02:03	grawity	if it builds main/master, then "-git"
2022-04-19 17:02:05	ponies	oh i'm not sure 
2022-04-19 17:02:12	grawity	if it builds a specific tag or commit, thne no
2022-04-19 17:02:14	lf94	The package hasn't been touched in years; so I decided to just pin it to a commit hash.
2022-04-19 17:02:18	grawity	doesn't matter how it obtains the source
2022-04-19 17:02:34	lf94	Ok; someone told me it was weird how I did it
2022-04-19 17:02:38	grawity	but do use a better version
2022-04-19 17:02:56	grawity	like from `git describe`, 1.2.3.r1234.gitABCDEF
2022-04-19 17:02:58	lf94	And when I re-read the AUR packaging manual, it seems they had a point
2022-04-19 17:03:03	lf94	gotchya
2022-04-19 17:03:05	lf94	Will do :)
2022-04-19 17:03:29	grawity	e.g. https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/nautilus/trunk/PKGBUILD#L23-L26
2022-04-19 17:03:36	grawity	dunno if there's already an example in the wiki
2022-04-19 17:04:03	lf94	This is sufficient
2022-04-19 17:04:10	lf94	Thank you for the feedback
2022-04-19 17:04:24	lf94	P.S. I love AUR packaging. This is 100000x better than the 3 years of Debian packaging I dealt with.
2022-04-19 17:04:57	mikedruu	hey folks, anyone could give a hint? I want to set logging for my ssh session and simple way to do it is with tee: `ssh user@host | tee -a /path/session.log`, but I would like to bring @host name as variable for $host-session.log for filename. not sure how tho
2022-04-19 17:06:22	Edu4rdSHL	mikedruu, just create a function that accepts $1 
2022-04-19 17:06:51	grawity	imo run the whole thing under `script` instead
2022-04-19 17:07:06	Edu4rdSHL	foo() { ssh user@$1 | tee -a /path/$1-session.log }
2022-04-19 17:07:23	Edu4rdSHL	Or what grawity said
2022-04-19 17:07:41	grawity	does piping interactive ssh not mess up programs that rely on a terminal?
2022-04-19 17:07:54	mikedruu	hmm, and if I want to just use `ssh hostname` and hostname being defined in ssh config 
2022-04-19 17:07:56	ponies	yeah you have to do this... 
2022-04-19 17:08:10	mikedruu	cool, will play with functions, still nub to this
2022-04-19 17:08:11	mikedruu	ty
2022-04-19 17:08:14	ponies	[[ $- == *i* ]] && stty -ixon || return 0
2022-04-19 17:08:23	ponies	ree
2022-04-19 17:08:29	ponies	[[ $- == *i* ]] && stty -ixon || return 0
2022-04-19 17:08:41	mikedruu	I have no idea whats that ponies :(
2022-04-19 17:10:35	ponies	it will make sure that you dont use an interactive terminal when you run ssh from a script 
2022-04-19 17:11:09	ponies	put that in the remote so you dont get the pseudo terminal error msg
2022-04-19 17:15:21	mikedruu	ty, I wont be using this for all ssh sessions, only for cli stuff with normal shell. so will just go with function
2022-04-19 17:46:57	txtsd	What do I gotta do to build firefox stable on my system. I want to compile it myself.
2022-04-19 17:47:24	gehidore	install gentoo
2022-04-19 17:47:33	gehidore	!w abs
2022-04-19 17:47:35	phrik	gehidore: Banu Abs - Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Abs>
2022-04-19 17:47:38	gehidore	err !aw abs
2022-04-19 17:47:43	gehidore	!aw abs
2022-04-19 17:47:44	phrik	gehidore: Abs - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Abs
2022-04-19 17:47:47	gehidore	txtsd ^
2022-04-19 17:49:18	Edu4rdSHL	!gentoo
2022-04-19 17:49:19	phrik	Watching text scroll by for hours on end is fun for the whole family!
2022-04-19 17:49:41	gehidore	also wtf
2022-04-19 17:49:44	txtsd	I tried from ABS already: https://bpa.st/SEQQ
2022-04-19 17:49:44	phrik	Title: View paste SEQQ (at bpa.st)
2022-04-19 17:49:46	susi	txtsd: it's gonna take lots of resources and time, then
2022-04-19 17:50:08	txtsd	I thought there'd be a simple AUr package I could use instead, but for the stable version, not beta etc.
2022-04-19 17:50:53	gehidore	if you want to do these things you've got to be willing to read the errors and interpret then correct the issue
2022-04-19 17:51:03	gehidore	otherwise you're just asking for hand holding and we don't like hands here
2022-04-19 17:51:18	txtsd	Fair
2022-04-19 17:51:37	txtsd	Is there much of a performance difference between self-built and official repos? At least specifically in the case of firefox?
2022-04-19 17:51:44	gehidore	doubt it
2022-04-19 17:52:06	txtsd	Then I'll drop it. I can probably focus on what's slowing my browser down instead.
2022-04-19 17:52:16	gehidore	ram?
2022-04-19 17:52:32	jelle	what is slow?
2022-04-19 17:53:28	DeepDayze	slow as molasses slow :^)
2022-04-19 17:54:33	Edu4rdSHL	!slow
2022-04-19 17:54:34	phrik	You're way too slow
2022-04-19 17:54:53	Edu4rdSHL	txtsd, use Chrome is you want a faster browser
2022-04-19 17:54:55	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-04-19 17:55:07	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL hides
2022-04-19 17:56:15	astralc	!chrome
2022-04-19 17:56:15	phrik	http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2801/4243454539_42f2145a5d_b.jpg
2022-04-19 17:56:52	gehidore	hehe
2022-04-19 17:57:10	astralc	of course phrik have command for it
2022-04-19 17:57:16	astralc	because why not
2022-04-19 18:00:17	susi	Firefox is working very well with my 4G RAM on 2-core Celeron setup
2022-04-19 18:01:13	Edu4rdSHL	Chrome works very well on my threadripper with 64 GB of RAM and my NVMEs
2022-04-19 18:01:23	Edu4rdSHL	And my 3080
2022-04-19 18:02:32	susi	I think recommending Chrome is irresponsible, Firefox needs every user it can get
2022-04-19 18:02:48	susi	imagine the future without Firefox...
2022-04-19 18:03:16	Edu4rdSHL	i think that recommending a bad browser is irresponsible. :p
2022-04-19 18:03:53	Edu4rdSHL	Firefox is not the same as it was years ago, now it's just a meme browser managed by a company that really doesn't care about it
2022-04-19 18:04:19	susi	I use both, I have two Chromebooks where I use Chrome, and Firefox otherwise, and I disagree with you
2022-04-19 18:04:36	susi	Firefox just needs some tuning from the default installation
2022-04-19 18:05:41	susi	it certainly is not a bad browser or just a meme
2022-04-19 18:08:54	susi	txtsd: I recommend you take a look at https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/ and see https://12bytes.org/articles/tech/firefox/firefoxgecko-configuration-guide-for-privacy-and-performance-buffs/
2022-04-19 18:09:33	gehidore	be curious to hear what the system looks like for this firefox slow machine
2022-04-19 18:10:04	txtsd	Thanks. I'm aware of Arkenfox's user.js already.
2022-04-19 18:10:09	txtsd	I have a Ryzen 2400G
2022-04-19 18:10:43	⚡ 	gehidore notes that firefox works just fine on his i3 powered stinkpad l450
2022-04-19 18:10:43	susi	txtsd: in about:support, under Graphics/Compositing, does it say WebRender?
2022-04-19 18:10:48	jelle	txtsd: what is slow?
2022-04-19 18:11:28	txtsd	It's not the rendering that's slow. Any activity in a github.com tab, makes the cpu usage skyrocket. But yea, it's webrender.
2022-04-19 18:11:38	artefact	"modern web"
2022-04-19 18:11:44	jelle	artefact: no
2022-04-19 18:11:51	susi	txtsd: do you have addons like Dark Reader?
2022-04-19 18:11:52	txtsd	Loading a new tab sometimes takes ~5 seconds for the tab to even show up.
2022-04-19 18:12:09	jelle	txtsd: is this on a hdd?
2022-04-19 18:12:21	txtsd	No, its a nvme.
2022-04-19 18:13:03	txtsd	I have a few addons, but they don't show significant impact in about:performance. TreeStyleTab seems like it has t he most impact, but I doubt that's slowing down my entire browser.
2022-04-19 18:13:06	jelle	O_O
2022-04-19 18:13:29	jelle	txtsd: did you try a new profile without extensions and checked if that's ok?
2022-04-19 18:13:56	txtsd	Yea, that's my next step.
2022-04-19 18:16:07	gehidore	anything else load with this lag, if so what filesystem are you using?
2022-04-19 18:22:09	dirty_dereck	Hello!
2022-04-19 18:22:42	v9fk	hi
2022-04-19 18:23:44	dirty_dereck	Does anyone know how to set up an rss feed for websites that need authentication? For example google classroom
2022-04-19 18:24:20	dirty_dereck	I'm configuring my rss reader to be maximum /comfy/ and I wanna know if getting feeds for my uni classes is possible
2022-04-19 18:25:53	astralc	is the rss url include some kind of token?
2022-04-19 18:26:10	dirty_dereck	I checked the source code for the site and it doesn't have a feed
2022-04-19 18:26:22	dirty_dereck	So I thought I'd go to one fo those online rss generators
2022-04-19 18:26:51	dirty_dereck	But it wouldn't access the site because it needs authentication
2022-04-19 18:27:24	sorta	where do i go for archinstall support?
2022-04-19 18:27:59	dirty_dereck	@sorta you should check out the archwiki install guide
2022-04-19 18:28:24	Edu4rdSHL	sorta, #archinstall
2022-04-19 18:28:32	dirty_dereck	#archinstall
2022-04-19 18:30:51	sorta	i asked in the discord but i guess now ill ask in the irc too
2022-04-19 18:30:56	sorta	irch channel*
2022-04-19 18:32:50	sorta	are the discord arch channels any good?
2022-04-19 18:33:32	txtsd	gehidore: It's a typical system. filesystem is ext4. Nothing is exotic except I run Sway.
2022-04-19 18:33:34	Edu4rdSHL	ArchLinux doesn't have any official Discord server, afaik
2022-04-19 18:33:43	Edu4rdSHL	So, the best way is always the IRC channel
2022-04-19 18:34:43	sorta	ok thanks,last time i was there there was some huge fight about window managers or something
2022-04-19 18:35:08	Edu4rdSHL	That's why you sit down here :p
2022-04-19 18:35:42	Edu4rdSHL	Almost every non official Arch forum/chat is full of those things...
2022-04-19 18:35:59	astralc	even the official ones
2022-04-19 18:36:11	gehidore	even the official ones
2022-04-19 18:36:21	gehidore	!fight sway i3
2022-04-19 18:36:21	phrik	sway
2022-04-19 18:36:34	Edu4rdSHL	I don't see that happening constantly here tbh
2022-04-19 18:36:34	astralc	!fight wayland xorg
2022-04-19 18:36:35	phrik	xorg
2022-04-19 18:36:43	astralc	phrik is schizo
2022-04-19 18:36:44	phrik	Certainly true...
2022-04-19 18:36:45	vvn	so /etc/crypttab takes device UUID, not luks UUID, right?
2022-04-19 18:37:07	ebm539	hello, I ran archiso for system maintenance purposes and heard beeping from my system, so I shutdown my system, plugged in headphones (to mute the speaker) and rebooted back into archiso (silently). Does anyone have any ideas why there was beeping?
2022-04-19 18:37:27	gehidore	errant usb input triggering terminal bell?
2022-04-19 18:37:32	jelle	ebm539: april fools
2022-04-19 18:37:41	Edu4rdSHL	xD
2022-04-19 18:38:00	grawity	vvn: it could take either
2022-04-19 18:38:15	grawity	vvn: as long as it's not filesystem UUID (because *that* is not visible until unlocked)
2022-04-19 18:38:16	astralc	it is misbehaving pacman in the last iso
2022-04-19 18:38:53	astralc	vvn: if you use gpt use partlabel
2022-04-19 18:39:01	sorta	#linux is wild, theres a systemd fight there like everyday lol
2022-04-19 18:39:34	Edu4rdSHL	2022 and people still fighting about systemd
2022-04-19 18:39:38	Edu4rdSHL	>.<
2022-04-19 18:40:01	vvn	astralc: I'm using MBR
2022-04-19 18:40:22	artefact	you can also use /dev/disk/by-id/foo
2022-04-19 18:40:34	grawity	by-uuid/<luks_uuid> is fine
2022-04-19 18:41:23	ebm539	ok april fools makes sense, thanks.
2022-04-19 18:42:28	sorta	:o what, really??
2022-04-19 18:43:01	astralc	just make sure it the correct one by running 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid'
2022-04-19 18:43:59	astralc	or blkid
2022-04-19 18:45:43	vvn	grawity: ha I understand I think, assuming you configure the foo volume name with either /dev/sda2 or UUID=<dev_uuid> or UUID=<luks_uuid>, you'll end up with /dev/disk/by-uuid/<dev_uuid> -> /dev/sda2 and /dev/disk/by-uuid/<luks_uuid> -> /dev/mapper/foo
2022-04-19 18:48:01	vvn	(even though I assume systemd-cryptsetup@.service is called after the luks uuid have been discovered)
2022-04-19 18:48:11	grawity	what do you mean by "<dev_uuid>"
2022-04-19 18:48:32	grawity	the partuuid? no, that's PARTUUID=
2022-04-19 18:48:45	astralc	you need to pass it same thing as cryptsetup open
2022-04-19 18:48:50	grawity	the filesystem uuid? yes that's UUID= but no it won't work in crypttab (and is not a device UUID)
2022-04-19 18:50:25	vvn	grawity: but man crypttab says the second column can be a specification of a block device via "UUID=" followed by the UUID.
2022-04-19 18:50:39	grawity	it is resolved *to* a block device
2022-04-19 18:50:56	grawity	but it's not really a "device UUID" as such
2022-04-19 18:51:15	grawity	it's the UUID of the device's *contents*
2022-04-19 18:51:17	astralc	crypttab second column is device
2022-04-19 18:51:24	astralc	can be /dev/*
2022-04-19 18:51:34	astralc	or UUID=
2022-04-19 18:51:39	astralc	like fstab
2022-04-19 18:52:36	vvn	grawity: so if /dev/sda2 is a luk2 encrypted partition, then the UUID of the device's contents is sthe luks UUID, correct?
2022-04-19 18:55:02	grawity	yes
2022-04-19 18:56:49	vvn	then I don't understand what's happening, I have the kernel command line root=/dev/mapper/root, and my /etc/crypttab (in initramfs) has 'root UUID=<luks-uuid>' and the initramfs also has /etc/cryptsetup-keys.d/root.key, but it still prompt me for a passphrase
2022-04-19 18:57:33	grawity	does it unlock if you provide the passphrase?
2022-04-19 18:57:37	astralc	the crypttab is in root...
2022-04-19 18:57:42	gehidore	^
2022-04-19 18:57:51	astralc	forgot it does take it
2022-04-19 18:57:53	grawity	if it does, then the crypttab UUID is fine
2022-04-19 18:58:03	grawity	I assume this is a systemd initramfs?
2022-04-19 18:58:12	grawity	(not sure if the default one takes a crypttab...)
2022-04-19 18:58:39	vvn	yes /etc/crypttab is supposed to be read (systemd initramfs) 
2022-04-19 18:59:16	vvn	grawity: hard to try, the key-file was taken from /dev/random, not sure I can copy/paste its content
2022-04-19 19:04:37	cedb	i installed ispell and the /usr/share/dict/words file isnt there, in the same dir there is only cracklib-small
2022-04-19 19:04:41	cedb	weird no?
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2022-04-20 11:49:11	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1465 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1465 normals)
2022-04-20 09:11:45	cyphertite	vvn:  you may find `lsblk -f` useful, especially if you want the uuids for each of your partitions
2022-04-20 09:12:06	grawity	vvn: also, did you discover rd.luks.data= yet
2022-04-20 10:22:22	Zetta1Reid0	Hello . I have a problem with pipewire.It doesn't detect my Audio Card.Althought it detects my video card audio output. But only Pro Audio profile is shown and it doesn't play anything.
2022-04-20 10:32:44	Khorne	Zetta1Reid0, is it an intel card?
2022-04-20 10:33:37	Zetta1Reid0	naaah ,but I actually fixed it just now. turns out alsa-profiles package was corrupted and missing device proviles.Ty anaway
2022-04-20 10:46:19	Ghosthree3	someone forgot to 'set-ntp true' during their install and their clock has become desynced, they've now set-ntp true but it wont sync for some reason
2022-04-20 10:46:22	Ghosthree3	any idea why
2022-04-20 10:47:23	Khorne	I think restarting the timesyncd service forces a resync
2022-04-20 10:47:53	Ghosthree3	tried that, + system reboot
2022-04-20 10:48:13	Ghosthree3	their timedatectl show-timesync is very bare compared to mine
2022-04-20 11:04:39	Zetta1Reid0	Ghosthree3 What is systemd-timesyncd status ?
2022-04-20 11:06:01	Ghosthree3	Zetta1Reid0: just says starting then started network time synchronization, nothing else. grawity is helping me in #systemd though, i just posted it here because i wasnt sure if it was an arch configuration issue but i dont think it is
2022-04-20 11:06:26	Zetta1Reid0	ok
2022-04-20 11:10:20	Ghosthree3	(issue now fixed, and it was a weird one)
2022-04-20 11:35:10	bittin	https://conf.fsfe.org/b/foss-north Talks at FOSS-North Online 2022 coming up
2022-04-20 11:35:13	phrik	Title: FOSS North (at conf.fsfe.org)
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2022-04-20 11:53:21	frat3rius	guys I just changed my username, after relogin my gnome keyring stopped autounlocking on login, somehow I also cannot unlock it manually (it simply doesn't prompt anything), any way I can change password for gnome keyring?
2022-04-20 11:53:44	frat3rius	sorry my bad I've changed only my password not my username :)
2022-04-20 11:53:44	grawity	if you can't unlock it manually, then no
2022-04-20 11:54:04	grawity	you could remove the whole keyring and re-create it though (~/.local/share/keyrings/)
2022-04-20 11:54:36	grawity	then you can specify a new password for the new keyring (and make it the same as the OS password)
2022-04-20 11:54:58	grawity	if you *could* unlock it manually, then Seahorse has a "change password" option
2022-04-20 11:55:12	frat3rius	grawity but I know old password, I've got no idea why there is no prompt for the old password
2022-04-20 11:55:59	frat3rius	maybe gnome tries to unlock it with new password and somehow fails 
2022-04-20 11:57:01	frat3rius	I'll try to change my password to the old one and try to change password on seahorse to the new one, maybe that will work
2022-04-20 11:59:35	frat3rius	ok it's unlocked, but how to change the password for the keyring...?
2022-04-20 11:59:55	grawity	right-click the keyring in the sidebar, under 'Passwords'
2022-04-20 12:00:43	frat3rius	grawity thanks a lot! 
2022-04-20 12:03:53	frat3rius	yup this way everything seems to be working, not very intuitive but still...
2022-04-20 12:05:17	frat3rius	maybe the fault was with my external drive that is encrypted and nautilius wanted to decrypt it and the process hang as it couldn't access the keyring, not sure
2022-04-20 12:15:43	damjan	https://twitter.com/kernellogger/status/1516619059894308868 
2022-04-20 12:15:48	damjan	интерестинг
2022-04-20 12:15:57	damjan	*interesting (oops)
2022-04-20 12:16:53	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-04-20 12:17:04	damjan	lsfd is milion times faster than lsof
2022-04-20 12:17:30	jelle	damjan: :OO
2022-04-20 12:17:36	◥	bittin (~bittin@fedora/bittin) has joined #archlinux
2022-04-20 12:18:30	jelle	damjan: and the new unshare feature landed for Foxboron :p
2022-04-20 12:18:36	damjan	lsfd  -Q 'DELETED == true'
2022-04-20 12:18:39	damjan	^^^
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2022-04-22 07:21:48	subu	Anyone use i3? I wanna set a variable to the output of a bash command. Something like set $var exec_always <some command>
2022-04-22 07:21:57	subu	But I don't think it works like that
2022-04-22 07:22:01	subu	I'm not sure if it's even possible
2022-04-22 07:26:50	ds	subu: what are you trying to achieve? what's the variable's value/use?
2022-04-22 07:29:31	subu	ds: My audio sink changes every other bootup so the media keys stop working since I have hardcoded values for the sink. I have a command I use to find the correct sink but manually changing the config file is a chore
2022-04-22 07:30:32	ds	is it easy enough to sed the config instead? then you could just run that script on boot and have the config auto-update
2022-04-22 07:31:26	ds	otherwise you /might/ be able to exec_always .... --foo="$(yourcmd)", but don't quote me on that. not sure how much parsing is done vs what's sent raw
2022-04-22 07:32:44	subu	ds: I was just reading about this, apparently it's not really possible to do something like that. I'll go for the sed thing, that should work fine. Thanks.
2022-04-22 07:33:17	subu	How do I auto-update after running the script though?
2022-04-22 07:33:21	ds	no worries. failing that, if it's a case of keybinds for volume etc then you could work it into a wrapper script
2022-04-22 07:34:15	ds	update in the sense of having your script run as exec[_always] so it triggers when i3 starts (since you mentioned it happening every few bootse)
2022-04-22 07:35:20	ds	if you did need to trigger it again, exec_always would cause it to trigger again with mod-shift-r (unless you remapped the "reload i3" one)
2022-04-22 07:37:11	subu	ds: When I boot my computer and i3 starts, it reads the config file and runs my script. Now the config file is set but do I have to reload i3 for the effects to take place?
2022-04-22 07:37:14	ds	personally though, I'd go <mediakey> -> exec yourscript -> detect sink -> run pactl/whatever with that 
2022-04-22 07:38:30	subu	ds: That's probably the smart thing to do but then I have to learn how to use pactl lol
2022-04-22 07:38:53	ds	subu: i might've assumed it was your pulse config you needed to update sinks in, rather than just the keybinding
2022-04-22 07:39:29	subu	Yea no just the i3 config file
2022-04-22 07:39:37	subu	For media key binds
2022-04-22 07:39:52	subu	Sorry, I was unclear
2022-04-22 07:40:30	ds	yeah, wrapper script is probably the way to go. just check $1 to tell it what to do (up/down/mute/play/whatever) then check sinks and fire off the command from there
2022-04-22 07:41:47	ds	subu: out of curiosity, what are you using for control? mine's apparently still on amixer heh
2022-04-22 07:41:59	subu	Pipewire
2022-04-22 07:42:58	subu	Also I'm trying to think but I don't know how I'd make this wrapper script.
2022-04-22 07:45:37	subu	Actually I think I'll just edit my xinitrc to do that sed command before exec i3 lol. 
2022-04-22 07:52:35	subu	Oh wait that won't work
2022-04-22 07:54:43	ds	subu: paste your current bindings, im really just guessing atm so could be heading down the wrong path
2022-04-22 07:54:45	ds	!paste
2022-04-22 07:54:46	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-04-22 07:54:46	subu	Unless I start fucking with systemd which I don't want to do
2022-04-22 07:54:59	subu	Ait hold up
2022-04-22 07:56:35	subu	ds: https://gist.github.com/de1m05/07bec0b4d3ebbbc573297d50f78a3425
2022-04-22 07:56:52	subu	"running-sink" is usually something like 43
2022-04-22 07:58:57	ds	if you have a simple setup you might be able to just replace with amixer -q sset Master 5%+ (what i have in mine, which i think i went with for similar reasons because i only ever care for the current "default"/fallback sink)
2022-04-22 08:00:03	ds	but re wrapper script, you would move everything after exec into the script, and instead have bindsym XF86AudioRaiseVolume exec ~/bin/volume.sh up
2022-04-22 08:00:30	subu	ds: I tried a bunch of things including something similar to that back when I installed this system but I couldn't get anything else to work
2022-04-22 08:00:56	subu	ds: Ah I see, that would work
2022-04-22 08:00:58	ds	script would be as simple as case $1 in up) pactl... && pkill ... ;; down ) ....
2022-04-22 08:01:53	subu	ds: Yeah that's pretty smart and I can do that
2022-04-22 08:01:55	subu	Thanks
2022-04-22 08:02:00	ds	np
2022-04-22 08:02:15	ds	had a feeling it shouldn't be difficult but didn't want to suggest anything without seeing your bindings first ;)
2022-04-22 08:24:23	cornduck	on my x1 nano, using iwd, certain wifi networks will never work. i have no idea why. i can connect fine, but the network will be unavailable. can't ping 8.8.8.8 or ping the router (i think)
2022-04-22 08:24:48	cornduck	tried ifconfig down/up, rebooting
2022-04-22 08:26:23	ShapeShifter499	hi
2022-04-22 08:27:47	Edu4rdSHL	cornduck, which network manager are you using?
2022-04-22 08:28:48	ShapeShifter499	I have a cheepo tablet, the same mentioned here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Nuvision_Solo_10_Draw       The issue I experience even after a battery swap is that it shutdown unexpectedly on battery but doesn't while plugged in. Doing much the same tasks.   Does anyone here have an idea what might be the issue?
2022-04-22 08:28:50	phrik	Title: Nuvision Solo 10 Draw - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-22 08:38:53	cornduck	Edu4rdSHL: i honestly do not know
2022-04-22 08:39:10	cornduck	i thought it was NetworkManager but i don't think it is running
2022-04-22 08:40:43	Edu4rdSHL	cornduck, well... then how you configured your system?
2022-04-22 08:40:52	Edu4rdSHL	It's Arch or some Arch-based?
2022-04-22 08:42:45	cornduck	it is arch, Edu4rdSHL. i usually connect to wifi using iwctl
2022-04-22 08:46:24	cornduck	none of the network manager services that i can think of appear to be running i have no idea how my laptop works im like 137 years old
2022-04-22 08:54:24	cornduck	i wonder if my problem is that NetworkManager is dying when connected to this particular router https://termbin.com/zc50
2022-04-22 08:54:40	cornduck	im connected to a hotspot that works though, and the service is apparently not running
2022-04-22 08:58:38	⚡ 	SpaceCowboy points
2022-04-22 08:58:51	drathir_tor	cornduck: check if ipv6 non correctly configured isnt preffered by default which could cause "not working" state...
2022-04-22 08:58:56	SpaceCowboy	look! it's z architect
2022-04-22 08:59:18	SpaceCowboy	got a HAL leonard 9000 bot 
2022-04-22 09:00:04	SpaceCowboy	still going strong from the global wimaxx outreach of 2013. droids, eh
2022-04-22 09:00:13	⚡ 	SpaceCowboy kicks a can
2022-04-22 09:00:31	SpaceCowboy	what would you do without them ?
2022-04-22 09:02:13	cornduck	interesting. i made sure NetworkManager was stopped, then i started systemd-networkd, and it works. 
2022-04-22 09:02:22	cornduck	thank you Edu4rdSHL drathir_tor 
2022-04-22 09:05:07	SpaceCowboy	cornduck yeah
2022-04-22 09:06:02	SpaceCowboy	sounds like a magic jack
2022-04-22 09:06:48	SpaceCowboy	unplug the cable and see if ut still pings the amigdala
2022-04-22 09:07:13	SpaceCowboy	watch out for murder by numbers
2022-04-22 09:07:25	SpaceCowboy	I made it 
2022-04-22 09:07:57	SpaceCowboy	destroyed the amigdala but not oral retentive
2022-04-22 09:08:02	cornduck	have you ever killed a man, SpaceCowboy 
2022-04-22 09:08:14	SpaceCowboy	I don't eat my boogers either cornduck 
2022-04-22 09:08:45	SpaceCowboy	cornduck I'd rather not answer for developers reasons 
2022-04-22 09:09:12	SpaceCowboy	better to stay private about catholic legal matters 
2022-04-22 09:09:27	SpaceCowboy	is this a confessional 
2022-04-22 09:09:49	SpaceCowboy	why dont you go talk to the gay guys
2022-04-22 09:10:01	SpaceCowboy	I don't eat boogers 
2022-04-22 09:10:49	SpaceCowboy	cornduck did it work unplugged?
2022-04-22 09:11:02	SpaceCowboy	stull getting pings?
2022-04-22 09:11:19	SpaceCowboy	I was amazed I could ping through a faraday cage.
2022-04-22 09:11:33	SpaceCowboy	Started ti realise maybe I wasnt realky there 
2022-04-22 09:11:57	SpaceCowboy	but whatecer it was had an IP construct to ping through a faraday cage 
2022-04-22 09:12:09	drathir_tor	SpaceCowboy: as long as You use morse code not electro-magnetic signals seems doable...
2022-04-22 09:12:23	SpaceCowboy	now I piss on myself 
2022-04-22 09:12:48	SpaceCowboy	interesting tip
2022-04-22 09:12:59	SpaceCowboy	then I am pinhead
2022-04-22 09:13:16	SpaceCowboy	if it was using morse 
2022-04-22 09:13:26	SpaceCowboy	wifi relayed to morse
2022-04-22 09:13:41	SpaceCowboy	had to be going through my head or brain 
2022-04-22 09:14:07	@Foxboron	topcat001: :)
2022-04-22 09:14:20	SpaceCowboy	roll around in dirt and piss on myself 
2022-04-22 09:14:50	The-Compiler	...interesting
2022-04-22 09:15:04	SpaceCowboy	can you buy me some fish 
2022-04-22 09:15:15	SpaceCowboy	see if the amigdala rebuilds
2022-04-22 09:15:21	SpaceCowboy	inshalla
2022-04-22 09:15:27	The-Compiler	is this a phishing attempt
2022-04-22 09:15:40	SpaceCowboy	intershalla
2022-04-22 09:16:15	SpaceCowboy	I dont know that I even need it but still
2022-04-22 09:16:21	SpaceCowboy	got an appendix 
2022-04-22 09:16:29	BoBeR182_	Can comaintainers remove an out of date flag on the AUR
2022-04-22 09:16:30	BoBeR182_	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sonarr
2022-04-22 09:16:35	BoBeR182_	this package is not out of date
2022-04-22 09:16:57	SpaceCowboy	supposed to have thirteen stars not fifty
2022-04-22 09:17:14	@Foxboron	Namarrgon, gehidore 
2022-04-22 09:17:18	SpaceCowboy	dont flag in zeal no but there needs to be some gatherings 
2022-04-22 09:18:07	SpaceCowboy	 cyphertite has disconnected (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-04-22 09:18:17	SpaceCowboy	LOL gut one
2022-04-22 09:18:33	SpaceCowboy	after watching mariah - breakdown 
2022-04-22 09:18:41	SpaceCowboy	painted pastel tite
2022-04-22 09:18:49	The-Compiler	yay
2022-04-22 09:18:54	@Foxboron	jelle: <3
2022-04-22 09:18:58	slimbo	ty
2022-04-22 10:07:01	cornduck	i take it back. switching network managers didn't help at all. i have no idea why some wifi routers work well and some don't
2022-04-22 10:08:01	cornduck	i think it was netctl, and i switched to systemd-networkd, and had a connection for about an hour
2022-04-22 10:10:09	cornduck	the router may be at fault but i have no clue how to determine this
2022-04-22 10:13:24	NetSysFire	anything in your journal? what are your routes?
2022-04-22 10:13:57	cornduck	NetSysFire: i gave up and left the place as a disgruntled old man
2022-04-22 10:14:52	NetSysFire	lol
2022-04-22 10:14:57	cornduck	im going into the forest after i burn all my posessions
2022-04-22 10:15:08	NetSysFire	dont forget becoming a goat farmer
2022-04-22 10:15:19	cornduck	i like goats. thats not a bad idea
2022-04-22 10:16:00	cornduck	but id never eat or milk any of them so they would just cost money
2022-04-22 10:17:14	NetSysFire	just dont become a cat herder like me
2022-04-22 10:32:09	cornduck	too late
2022-04-22 10:35:10	CarloWood	jelle: a better kick reason would have been "drugs is bad for you".
2022-04-22 10:35:16	ds	is it normal for the journal to "reset" on suspend/resume? trying to get last boot with journalctl -xeb-1, but it's only showing from 08:15 (presumably when it slept) to 08:28 when i forced poweroff.  --list-boots has the session logged as starting at 04:12 though; am i missing something?
2022-04-22 10:35:25	@jelle	CarloWood: ok
2022-04-22 10:39:56	CarloWood	Hmm, I usually do `ls -F --color=auto` (that's my alias for ls). And that lists the directory contents in alphabetic order, I'd rather have it put all the directories first though (in alphabetic order) and then the rest. 
2022-04-22 10:40:11	CarloWood	Does anyone know if that is possible? I can't seem to find an option for that :/
2022-04-22 10:42:44	CarloWood	Ah ... --group-directories-first
2022-04-22 10:42:47	CarloWood	:)
2022-04-22 11:20:41	MrElendig	exa -F
2022-04-22 12:16:10	jirido	Hi. I have tried to enter the variable TK_THEME=$MY_DARK_LORD to the run field in to some of  my gtk3 applications .desktop files via the app menu and the property dialouge, but when running them they complain about being invalied.. on what level could I enter environment variables for individual guy applications?
2022-04-22 12:16:26	jirido	GTK_THEME*
2022-04-22 12:16:57	jirido	or how?
2022-04-22 12:17:25	jirido	GUI* not guy
2022-04-22 12:18:32	Khorne	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/desktop_entries#Modify_environment_variables
2022-04-22 12:18:34	phrik	Title: Desktop entries - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-22 12:22:54	kolcon	time to sacrifice a black cat again and try to install Arch to ZFS encrypted root with remote unlock...
2022-04-22 12:25:36	damjan	try tpm2 unlock
2022-04-22 12:27:44	OneDev	hi
2022-04-22 12:27:59	OneDev	So what is good procedure to switch from x11 to wayland?
2022-04-22 12:28:15	@jelle	just doit!
2022-04-22 12:28:26	@jelle	OneDev: what are you using atm?
2022-04-22 12:28:33	OneDev	Also is there a way to solve the issue with online accounts and 42
2022-04-22 12:28:49	OneDev	gnome 42 xorg
2022-04-22 12:29:01	OneDev	as I use laptop which is nvidia + intel
2022-04-22 12:29:05	@jelle	oic
2022-04-22 12:29:09	OneDev	although I use dedicated nvidia 
2022-04-22 12:29:53	OneDev	so are there issues I know in the past there ware issues wuith quite a few applications so I switched to use xorg.
2022-04-22 12:30:14	OneDev	I only need to remove the xorg config and that should be enough?
2022-04-22 12:30:24	lambda	I haven't had any trouble with xwayland as a fallback
2022-04-22 12:30:27	Khorne	Why, just start into the Wayland session?
2022-04-22 12:30:35	lambda	why remove anything?
2022-04-22 12:30:44	Khorne	And if it doesn't work, fallback to the Xorg session?
2022-04-22 12:30:45	Ghosthree3	only issue might be nvidia stability, though i think for gnome (and gnome only) its ok
2022-04-22 12:31:12	OneDev	Well ok for using only laptop monitor I can switch to intel.
2022-04-22 12:31:44	OneDev	So do I need to log off the xorg session? 
2022-04-22 12:31:51	OneDev	Or I can login other account as wayland
2022-04-22 12:31:57	Tom^	well there are a few, no global shortcuts meaning like discord or similiar cant to push to talk
2022-04-22 12:31:57	OneDev	Can two run one with another
2022-04-22 12:31:58	Khorne	nvidia should support gbm now too
2022-04-22 12:32:05	lambda	you should be able to just start a second session under wayland
2022-04-22 12:32:21	OneDev	ok thats great I am gonna try with other accound.
2022-04-22 12:32:35	lambda	no need for another account really
2022-04-22 12:33:03	@jelle	OneDev: I heard online accounts will be deprecated iirc
2022-04-22 12:36:32	OneDev	https://dpaste.org/9LXNj
2022-04-22 12:36:34	phrik	Title: dpaste/9LXNj (Plain Text) (at dpaste.org)
2022-04-22 12:36:35	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oTaN.txt
2022-04-22 12:36:41	OneDev	so this config need to be removed
2022-04-22 12:37:01	OneDev	I always boot into the xserver as I used that config to have external monitor.
2022-04-22 12:37:54	Khorne	why would you remove that
2022-04-22 12:38:02	Khorne	wayland just doesn't use it
2022-04-22 12:38:33	OneDev	but gdm start a xserver
2022-04-22 12:38:47	Khorne	Select the Gnome wayland session within GDM
2022-04-22 12:39:11	OneDev	there is none
2022-04-22 12:39:33	lambda	did you install wayland?
2022-04-22 12:40:22	Khorne	There should be Gnome and Gnome on Xorg as session selections
2022-04-22 12:40:35	Khorne	Former being a Wayland session and the latter obviously being an Xorg session
2022-04-22 12:41:13	OneDev	there are none only gnome and gnome classic
2022-04-22 12:41:24	OneDev	However I do have installed wayland
2022-04-22 12:41:26	Ghosthree3	Tom^: the global hotkeys thing is still the biggest gripe i have tbh
2022-04-22 12:42:04	Andyrew	I'm editing a wikipage how can I refer to a header
2022-04-22 12:42:17	Khorne	OneDev, yea because gtk pulls in wayland automatically
2022-04-22 12:42:21	OneDev	https://dpaste.org/tLmT3
2022-04-22 12:42:23	phrik	Title: dpaste/tLmT3 (Plain Text) (at dpaste.org)
2022-04-22 12:42:24	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oTab.txt
2022-04-22 12:42:26	Tom^	Ghosthree3: yeah there are a few issues and some are more because applications themself havent really bothered to implent wayland :p
2022-04-22 12:42:33	Khorne	Have you checked whether you actually are running a wayland session already when you login
2022-04-22 12:42:44	Tom^	Ghosthree3: and its mostly only gnome or sway running good enough on wayland
2022-04-22 12:42:48	OneDev	loginctl say x11
2022-04-22 12:43:13	Ghosthree3	Tom^: yes, like discord not having implemented xdg-desktop-portals in its proprietary screensharing garbage. at this point wayland is pretty much fine and it is an application compatibility issue though yep....except hotkeys
2022-04-22 12:43:23	Khorne	And what is XDG_SESSION_TYPE?
2022-04-22 12:43:30	OneDev	Type=x11
2022-04-22 12:43:36	Ghosthree3	Tom^: do agree with that, and i think sway is running better tbh
2022-04-22 12:43:49	Tom^	Ghosthree3: perhaps, havent tried gnome myself
2022-04-22 12:44:11	Khorne	did you change the session files manually?
2022-04-22 12:44:33	OneDev	no
2022-04-22 12:44:48	damjan	do you have gnome-session installed?
2022-04-22 12:44:53	lambda	they quit
2022-04-22 12:44:54	Khorne	(x) Doubt
2022-04-22 12:45:02	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-04-22 12:45:27	Ghosthree3	maybe the gdm config has wayland disabled
2022-04-22 12:46:03	Ghosthree3	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GDM?useskinversion=1#Wayland_and_the_proprietary_NVIDIA_driver
2022-04-22 12:46:05	phrik	Title: GDM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-22 12:46:11	Ghosthree3	actually its probably this, no kernel mode setting?
2022-04-22 12:46:15	Khorne	That they would have done manually as well
2022-04-22 12:46:52	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-04-22 12:56:45	jirido	Khorne: Thanks you!
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2022-04-22 12:59:39	Andyrew	for some reason my system does not accept any USB 3.0?
2022-04-22 12:59:47	◣	sambauer64 (~sambauer6@86.123.36.82) ha salido (Client Quit)
2022-04-22 12:59:53	Andyrew	any idea what could be the cause
2022-04-22 13:01:29	Andyrew	I have a 3.0 USB hub (I thought it was low qaulity so it downgraded to 2.0) but I also have a USB 3.0 memory stick which also refuses to work in the ports of the device (and not listed under lsusb) but works as 2.0 in the hub
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2022-04-22 13:02:47	Khorne	Are they listed as USB3
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2022-04-22 13:03:48	artefact	anything special in dmesg/journalctl -kb when you plug the stick?
2022-04-22 13:04:27	Andyrew	the hub is listed as USB 2.00 the USB stick does not work at all if it is plugged in directly in the device, only through the hub (and in that case it is listed as 2.1)
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2022-04-22 13:07:11	Andyrew	artefact: for some reason it works now
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2022-04-22 13:08:56	Andyrew	wait now it does not
2022-04-22 13:09:19	Andyrew	how can I keep journalctl -kb up-to-date (viewing it in real time)
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2022-04-22 13:13:28	Namarrgon	--follow
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2022-04-22 13:19:24	Andyrew	thanks, I guess basicly my hardware it a bit random and behaves stupidly
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2022-04-22 13:24:04	vsilv	hello everyone. I have problems with nvidia+gdm+wayland and I have no idea how where to search for the problem, since there are no error messages in journalctl. 
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2022-04-22 13:32:39	ugubok	Why do we need to store package files in /var/cache/pacman/pkg ?
2022-04-22 13:32:50	ugubok	Waste of space!
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2022-04-22 13:34:23	Namarrgon	you can clean the cache after pacman is done
2022-04-22 13:34:54	MrElendig	you can always tmpfs it too if you are so inclined
2022-04-22 13:34:56	ugubok	I understand that we don't want to download all packages again in case of some errors during installation. But is it good idea to remove all package files immediately after upgrade/installation?
2022-04-22 13:35:27	MrElendig	ugubok: its really rare that you need a package from the cache
2022-04-22 13:35:30	Namarrgon	they are not needed by pacman, you have to decide if it's a good idea orn ot
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2022-04-22 13:36:48	ugubok	Namarrgon: MrElendig: Understood, thanks. tmpfs is a good idea (and I doing it right now because I doesn't have enough space to upgrade)
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2022-04-22 13:37:32	MrElendig	then you have bigger issues
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2022-04-22 13:37:54	MrElendig	mainly that you made your / too small (unless your cache is currently 50gb or something silly)
2022-04-22 13:37:56	ugubok	I know, I have enough RAM
2022-04-22 13:38:10	Andyrew	MrElendig: not that rare for me when I have 3 devices running arch, and capped internet; it is really handy to reduce my usage
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2022-04-22 13:39:09	MrElendig	Andyrew: that is a different use case, also for that: stuff the cache on smb/nfs or whatever (or proxy)
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2022-04-22 13:39:26	MrElendig	most people don't have that problem though
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2022-04-22 13:44:03	ugubok	I think I'll end up with this solution: tmpfs /var/cache/pacman/pkg && rm -rf in /usr/share/libalpm/hooks/
2022-04-22 13:45:38	Namarrgon	removing the hooks is a really bad idea
2022-04-22 13:47:14	ugubok	I mean rm /var/cache/pacman/pkg/* will be in post-hook
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2022-04-22 13:48:01	Namarrgon	paccache has a timer unit for this
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2022-04-22 13:48:46	ugubok	Namarrgon: cool! So I don't need to write it myself
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2022-04-22 13:51:04	ugubok	Andyrew: So you had setup shared cache between 3 devices somehow?
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2022-04-22 13:56:27	ugubok	Got an idea: I need to setup local repository which by request will download packages from remote repository and store it in it's own cache
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2022-04-22 14:37:33	ℹ 	Visne_ es conocido ahora como Visne
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2022-04-22 15:28:10	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1469 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1467 normals)
2022-04-22 15:09:41	baltazar	I think it's related to middle-clicking (by touching with 3 fingers at the same time)
2022-04-22 15:09:57	baltazar	h4rd3n3d_: yes, I've had this issue for a while now, for multiple kernel versions
2022-04-22 15:10:55	baltazar	what's weird is that the 3 finger to middle click gesture doesn't show up in the output of `libinput debug-event`
2022-04-22 15:11:02	baltazar	(s)
2022-04-22 15:11:18	baltazar	h4rd3n3d_: I haven't found much so far
2022-04-22 15:28:12	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-22 15:56:02	B1773rm4n	What is the normal/GUI way of mouse scroll speed settings?
2022-04-22 15:56:14	B1773rm4n	I don't know why it resetted the speed. But it's slower now
2022-04-22 15:57:28	ponies	B1773rm4n: some mice have buttons which modify mouse movement. you didn't inadvertenly click it? 
2022-04-22 15:59:12	ponies	B1773rm4n: otherwise $ xinput list; get the device number and $ xinput list-props for more settings
2022-04-22 15:59:50	ponies	!give B1773rm4n aw xinput
2022-04-22 15:59:51	phrik	B1773rm4n: Xinput - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xinput
2022-04-22 16:00:20	B1773rm4n	Is there any GUI way? I mean isn't this elemental mouse settings?
2022-04-22 16:00:27	B1773rm4n	And it's scrolling speed
2022-04-22 16:00:33	B1773rm4n	Not mouse movement speed
2022-04-22 16:00:36	ponies	B1773rm4n: how could anybody know what DE you are using
2022-04-22 16:00:49	B1773rm4n	Point taken. I'm on XFCE4
2022-04-22 16:00:52	ponies	B1773rm4n: Start > Control Panel > :D 
2022-04-22 16:01:11	ponies	read the wiki its very straightfoward
2022-04-22 16:01:17	B1773rm4n	Yeah "Mouse and Touchpad" settings don't know a scrolling wheel. There is no option
2022-04-22 16:01:56	ponies	yeah so ... you gonna take the advice or not? 
2022-04-22 16:02:56	ponies	turns out there is an xinput-gui ... but thats up to you 
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2022-04-22 16:37:40	BoBeR182_	Can comaintainers remove an out of date flag on the AUR
2022-04-22 16:37:42	BoBeR182_	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sonarr
2022-04-22 16:37:44	BoBeR182_	this package is not out of date
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2022-04-22 17:58:51	artefact	i remember a webpage that made music from your lcd screen
2022-04-22 18:08:51	rcf	There is also an application that will broadcast music on the radio if you have a CRT 
2022-04-22 18:21:44	pitastrudl	amosbird: maybe something like this? https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/strange-noise-while-cpu-is-idle-on-dell-c600-running-fedora-core-1-a-137951/ 
2022-04-22 18:22:06	pitastrudl	https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=9754 just some leads 
2022-04-22 18:22:07	phrik	Title: Gentoo Forums :: View topic - Weird CPU noise (at forums.gentoo.org)
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2022-04-22 19:51:06	fikran	I am trying to use this Fprint/PAM integration document: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fprint
2022-04-22 19:51:07	phrik	Title: fprint - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-22 19:51:20	fikran	I believe I have this setup properly. How do I test this?
2022-04-22 19:51:31	fikran	At my login prompt I do not see a finger print feature.
2022-04-22 19:52:13	thurstylark	what DM?
2022-04-22 19:53:13	fikran	XFCE
2022-04-22 19:53:27	thurstylark	DM? afaik, XFCE is a DE
2022-04-22 19:53:27	another|	that's not a DM
2022-04-22 19:53:40	another|	gdm, sdmm, ...
2022-04-22 19:54:06	thurstylark	looking for Display Manager, not your Desktop Environment
2022-04-22 19:55:55	fikran	I believe lightdm, trying to verify.
2022-04-22 19:57:01	MrElendig	systemctl stats display-manager.service
2022-04-22 19:57:04	MrElendig	status*
2022-04-22 19:57:24	⚡ 	Hello72 smells notarch
2022-04-22 19:57:48	fikran	yes, lightdm.
2022-04-22 20:00:35	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-04-22 20:00:40	fikran	auth suffiient pam_fprintd.so in /etc/pam.d/lightdm
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2022-04-22 20:05:56	thurstylark	fikran: which greeter? I *think* that's what will determine what's displayed, but not really finding a lot of docs about using fingerprint with lightdm out there
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2022-04-22 20:06:46	thurstylark	have you tried just using your fingerprint regardless of if your dm prompts you to do so?
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2022-04-22 20:18:23	fikran	thurstylark: lightdm-gtk-greeter
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2022-04-22 20:42:22	matkor	Hi! I decided to try Archlinux on RPi, managed to install and boot, but when I try to install package via: pacman -S python  I get error from mirror.archlinuxarm.org : The requested URL returned error: 404
2022-04-22 20:42:33	MrElendig	!alarm
2022-04-22 20:42:34	matkor	Any hints why? TIA
2022-04-22 20:42:35	phrik	If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
2022-04-22 20:42:38	MrElendig	its a different distro
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2022-04-22 20:42:50	matkor	OK, thanks and sorry
2022-04-22 20:42:51	MrElendig	you probably want -Syu python though
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2022-04-22 20:45:56	NGC	hello everyone, i am trying to install lightdm-webkit2-greeter via pacman but every time i keep getting a pgp signature error. I have tried reinstalling archlinux-keyring and then running pacman -Syu and pacman -Syyuu but this does not correct the error. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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2022-04-22 20:47:54	MrElendig	`file` the package
2022-04-22 20:48:25	Hello72	!errors
2022-04-22 20:48:26	phrik	Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2022-04-22 20:48:26	MrElendig	also post the entire pacman output
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2022-04-22 20:49:44	NGC	MrElendig: https://pastebin.com/PWfS3QXD
2022-04-22 20:49:45	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oTu8.txt
2022-04-22 20:49:46	phrik	Title: brtt@tux  ~  sudo pacman -S lightdm-webkit2-greeter[sudo] password for brtt - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-04-22 20:51:22	Edu4rdSHL	NGC, pacman -Q archlinux-keyring
2022-04-22 20:51:48	NGC	archlinux-keyring 20220224-1
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2022-04-22 20:53:02	Edu4rdSHL	Try changing the mirror
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2022-04-22 20:56:23	NGC	Edu4rdSHL: thank you so much. Changing the mirrors worked
2022-04-22 20:56:30	NGC	wait nvm
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2022-04-22 20:57:43	Edu4rdSHL	Same problem?
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2022-04-22 21:01:15	NGC	Edu4rdSHL: yes same problem. Tried changing the mirrors and then ran pacman -Syu and tried to install and still get pgp error
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2022-04-22 21:01:25	NGC	even tried reinstalling the archlinux-keyring package
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2022-04-22 21:03:32	Edu4rdSHL	I have the same problem here
2022-04-22 21:03:39	Edu4rdSHL	Looks like that there's a problem with the package
2022-04-22 21:03:48	Edu4rdSHL	MrElendig, ^
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2022-04-22 21:04:56	Edu4rdSHL	The real issue seems to be in the archlinux-keyring package
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2022-04-22 21:07:45	ℹ 	duxco es conocido ahora como duxsco
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2022-04-22 21:09:26	WhyNotHugo	I want to connect two pairs of bluetooth headphones. How can I figure out if my hardware supports it?
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2022-04-22 21:10:23	Edu4rdSHL	Trying
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2022-04-22 21:19:08	MrElendig	WhyNotHugo: it does
2022-04-22 21:19:35	MrElendig	WhyNotHugo: its connecting two different devices to the same headphone at the same time that is hardware dependent
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2022-04-22 21:20:07	MrElendig	pretty much all bt cards/dongles supports multiple simultanious connections
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2022-04-22 21:46:32	ooonea_eth	I used this guide: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#LVM_on_LUKS.
2022-04-22 21:46:34	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Encrypting an entire system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-22 21:46:50	ooonea_eth	I created a boot partition on a USB flash drive.
2022-04-22 21:47:46	ooonea_eth	If I remove the key and reinsert it, the system no longer starts.
2022-04-22 21:48:45	ooonea_eth	The partition on the stick changes from EFI to Linux Filesystem. I am forced to change the partition again with fdisk and reinstall grub from the Arch ISO.
2022-04-22 21:49:17	ooonea_eth	Was there a particular option to handle the detached boot partition?
2022-04-22 21:49:50	ooonea_eth	I vaguely remember something, but it's been a long time since I've installed a system this way.
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2022-04-22 21:51:01	lambda	ooonea_eth: so something modifies the partition table on your USB stick? O.o
2022-04-22 21:51:17	ooonea_eth	Yes
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2022-04-22 21:52:07	ooonea_eth	But even if I switch back to EFI, I still have to reinstall GRUB to boot the system.
2022-04-22 21:52:26	lambda	are you sure you synced if before unplugging?
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2022-04-22 21:53:00	lambda	...whoops, I was using that server
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2022-04-22 21:55:01	ooonea_eth	Yes, sure.Yes, I'm sure. Also because after the system boots up I unmount the flash drive and unplug it.
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2022-04-22 21:58:53	Geldorn	Seems like I stumbled over an expired signing key (expired today it seems) from lains@archlinux.org got it on the package lrzip. Could someone verify if this is the case and not only my system has some stale keys?
2022-04-22 21:59:34	thurstylark	Geldorn: what's the exact text of the error that you're getting?
2022-04-22 22:00:18	Edu4rdSHL	There's definitely a problem with the Filipe key
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2022-04-22 22:00:28	Edu4rdSHL	lightdm-webkit2-greeter also has the same problem
2022-04-22 22:01:07	Geldorn	thurstylark, Without posting a wall of text: gpg: Note: signature key F893C674816AA95D expired Fri 22 Apr 2022 02:09:42 PM CEST
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2022-04-22 22:01:24	Edu4rdSHL	Posting the whole text is always better
2022-04-22 22:01:25	◣	nrg (~NRG@user/nrg) ha salido (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in)
2022-04-22 22:01:27	thurstylark	^
2022-04-22 22:01:32	thurstylark	what paste services are for
2022-04-22 22:01:33	jonathon	* pasting
2022-04-22 22:01:41	Edu4rdSHL	Pasting *
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2022-04-22 22:02:28	Geldorn	https://pastebin.com/4YMuhUxE
2022-04-22 22:02:28	phrik	Title: gpg --verify -v lrzip-0.641-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst.siggpg: assuming signed data - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-04-22 22:02:29	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oTuy.txt
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2022-04-22 22:02:46	Edu4rdSHL	That is not the whole text
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2022-04-22 22:02:59	Edu4rdSHL	Also, that isn't the pacman output
2022-04-22 22:03:01	thurstylark	Why not just post the error you get from pacman?
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2022-04-22 22:03:08	thurstylark	that's really what I'm fishing for
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2022-04-22 22:04:42	Geldorn	pacman error: https://pastebin.com/ULbrYYzT
2022-04-22 22:04:43	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oTuv.txt
2022-04-22 22:04:43	phrik	Title: sudo pacman -S libguestfsresolving dependencies...looking for conflicting pa - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2022-04-22 22:05:28	Edu4rdSHL	Btw, cc FFY00
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2022-04-22 22:05:38	thurstylark	Geldorn: any change if you do `pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Syu libguestfs` ?
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2022-04-22 22:06:25	Edu4rdSHL	There seems to be a problem with your keyring, FFY00. For example, `pacman -S lightdm-webkit2-greeter` will reproduce the issue on any machine
2022-04-22 22:06:33	Geldorn	thurstylark, same error
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2022-04-22 22:17:42	randomxusr	Looking for the Virtualbox Bug ticket for the upstream ring-0 issue. Not seeing it on the Arch bugs page. Does someone have a link?
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2022-04-22 22:19:28	Edu4rdSHL	randomxusr, what ring-0 issue?
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2022-04-22 22:20:37	randomxusr	Edu4rdSHL, This one https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/20904
2022-04-22 22:20:43	phrik	Title: #20904 (Error "Failed to load R0 module /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxDDR0.r0: Unable to locate imported symbol 'memset' for module 'VBoxDDR0.r0' (VERR_SYMBOL_NOT_FOUND)." running a machine) – Oracle VM VirtualBox (at www.virtualbox.org)
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2022-04-22 22:21:16	Edu4rdSHL	randomxusr, why should be there an issue on the AL page when it's already reported in upstream?
2022-04-22 22:21:30	Edu4rdSHL	Also, it's already fixed in the AL repos btw
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2022-04-22 22:22:07	randomxusr	Edu4rdSHL, not saying it belong on AL. I had just seen a ticket for it the other day that's gone now. Was just curious to see the detail
2022-04-22 22:22:40	Edu4rdSHL	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/commit/025a1a8703e39279a8703c5437fbaaa9bb72f3ff
2022-04-22 22:22:44	Edu4rdSHL	Here's the detail
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2022-04-22 22:23:34	randomxusr	Thanks. Was not picking that up in my google-fu.
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2022-04-22 22:25:38	Edu4rdSHL	It's really easy to track, just go to https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/virtualbox/ and then "View changes"
2022-04-22 22:25:38	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-04-22 22:25:38	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - virtualbox 6.1.34-2 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
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2022-04-22 22:30:51	thurstylark	Geldorn: I don't have the access to fix this directly, but I've dropped it in the staff channel. Shouldn't be long before someone picks this up
2022-04-22 22:30:58	thurstylark	also: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/74538
2022-04-22 22:30:59	phrik	Title: FS#74538 : [libratbag] Package signing key expired (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2022-04-23 06:19:07	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-04-23 06:19:08	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1421 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1419 normals)
2022-04-22 23:16:21	ggnoredo	so we can't run Postgis for psql 14 on arch linux, yet?
2022-04-22 23:51:41	anthraxx	ggnoredo: can you try again with 3.2.1-1
2022-04-23 00:34:15	feral_hedgehog	Hello! Does anyone know whether a USB/IP equivalent exists for HDMI/DisplayPort?
2022-04-23 00:35:06	MrElendig	there are ip based hdmi extenders if thats what you mean
2022-04-23 00:37:37	feral_hedgehog	Nah - I meant something that works like USB/IP - you start a daemon on the host where a device is physically connected, "bind" a device to it (through software), connect to the daemon over the network and then "attach" the device at the client.
2022-04-23 00:37:56	feral_hedgehog	Client thinks the device is directly connected to it
2022-04-23 00:38:58	feral_hedgehog	Works surprisingly well for mouse & keyboard, even over WiFi
2022-04-23 00:39:49	thurstylark	Not really. once you get into video over ip, you're talking streaming
2022-04-23 00:40:38	thurstylark	there is no hdmi via ip tech, because that would be like trying to shove 10 pounds of shit into a 5 pound bag
2022-04-23 00:44:22	feral_hedgehog	Wish I had a DP-to-USB adapter to test lol
2022-04-23 00:44:24	feral_hedgehog	For science!
2022-04-23 00:46:59	gehidore	there's some stuff like this: https://deskreen.com/lang-en
2022-04-23 00:48:14	gehidore	feral_hedgehog ^
2022-04-23 00:51:24	feral_hedgehog	So many Ukranian flags lol
2022-04-23 00:51:28	feral_hedgehog	I think I'll just overcome my laziness and connect the cable to my laptop. Good to know this exists though, thanks!
2022-04-23 00:55:23	Hello72	feral_hedgehog: you have reinvented vnc
2022-04-23 00:56:11	Hello72	and no, it will not work with "a DP-to-USB adapter". if you get a passive dp usb-c adapter then usbip won't work at all, if you get an active one it might work but extremely slowly
2022-04-23 00:57:35	feral_hedgehog	Hello72: Ohh no - VNC has fancy things like compression and frames - my solution would just wrap whatever packets DP uses with TCP.
2022-04-23 00:57:38	feral_hedgehog	It's simpler - and therefore better.
2022-04-23 00:58:27	Hello72	i don't see the problem as long as your network has <10ms multi-gigabit speed
2022-04-23 00:58:52	Hello72	and never drops or reorders frames
2022-04-23 00:59:41	Hello72	and neither side ever suspends, or has high cpu, or requires skipping frames for any reason
2022-04-23 01:00:48	Hello72	1920*1080*24 bit*60/sec=2.985984 gigabit/sec
2022-04-23 01:03:06	feral_hedgehog	Perfect for the new WiFi6 standard :D
2022-04-23 01:03:39	Hello72	this is why decent hdmi capture cards are so expensive
2022-04-23 01:04:56	ugga-the-caveman	I try to get the volume keys of my thinkpad t500 working. from what i have read about it so far i think they should allready work, i just havve to find a way to use them in openbox.
2022-04-23 01:05:36	ugga-the-caveman	or does anyone know a way how ai can easily check if a special key on my keyboard is working ?
2022-04-23 01:06:27	feral_hedgehog	ugga-the-caveman: There's xev (or wev if you're on Wayland)
2022-04-23 01:06:35	thurstylark	ugga-the-caveman: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Keyboard_input
2022-04-23 01:06:36	phrik	Title: Keyboard input - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-23 01:06:42	thurstylark	there's a whole article on it
2022-04-23 01:07:09	ugga-the-caveman	i think i am on xorg. not sure what wayland is. i am kind anew
2022-04-23 01:07:24	ugga-the-caveman	xorg and then i use openbox
2022-04-23 01:07:36	thurstylark	in fact, they're properly linked all the way to the openbox page: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Openbox#Volume_control
2022-04-23 01:07:38	phrik	Title: Openbox - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-23 01:07:43	thrice	if you are on openbox, you are definitely on xorg
2022-04-23 01:07:52	thurstylark	just choose your sound system, follow the links 
2022-04-23 01:08:16	ugga-the-caveman	oh jeah i found something
2022-04-23 01:08:19	thrice	wayland probably wasn't a twinkle in anyone's eye, the last time openbox had a commit :D
2022-04-23 01:08:21	ugga-the-caveman	thx so far
2022-04-23 01:18:51	DeepDayze	Ahh Openbox...the simplicity
2022-04-23 01:19:18	DeepDayze	I believe there's a project to port Openbox to Wayland
2022-04-23 01:19:22	thrice	if you call editing config files to get basic keyboard buttons working "simple," sure :P
2022-04-23 01:19:54	DeepDayze	Once you do get it the way you like it then that's it :)
2022-04-23 01:20:13	DeepDayze	I just did a plain Arch install a couple days ago.
2022-04-23 01:20:20	DeepDayze	KDE as desktop
2022-04-23 01:20:31	thrice	compared to a non-plain install?
2022-04-23 01:20:51	DeepDayze	The manual install was a bit daunting 
2022-04-23 01:21:07	DeepDayze	booting the Archiso and chrooting and all that jazz
2022-04-23 01:21:26	DeepDayze	Then having to hunt for missing pieces to get things working such as my printer
2022-04-23 01:21:48	DeepDayze	or what services to enable and start
2022-04-23 01:21:48	another|	first time? <insert meme>
2022-04-23 01:22:04	DeepDayze	Lol
2022-04-23 01:22:27	DeepDayze	First time Arch users be banging their heads 
2022-04-23 01:22:54	DeepDayze	Just seeing how things are in Arch-land as been a Debian user for ages
2022-04-23 01:23:02	another|	most of my debians are debootstrapped. so pacstrap is not that different
2022-04-23 01:23:19	DeepDayze	i did a debootstrap once..yeah you are right
2022-04-23 01:23:38	DeepDayze	you can install Debian in a similar fashion to Arch
2022-04-23 01:23:38	another|	in fact pacstrap is easier than debootstrap
2022-04-23 01:23:54	thrice	most distros aren't that different, really
2022-04-23 01:24:05	DeepDayze	yeah didn't have to remember all those silly switches like with debootstrap
2022-04-23 01:24:28	DeepDayze	just pacstrap the base and add an editor like nano to get started
2022-04-23 01:24:38	another|	I was a whole script around debootstrap to do all the things I want it to
2022-04-23 01:24:44	another|	s/was/have/
2022-04-23 01:24:58	DeepDayze	I followed the arch guide and it's nice
2022-04-23 01:25:07	gehidore	lies
2022-04-23 01:25:10	DeepDayze	good that I can go back into the chroot if I missed something
2022-04-23 01:26:03	DeepDayze	So far I like Arch...I played with Garuda before now I'd wanted to try regular Arch
2022-04-23 01:26:28	DeepDayze	Arch may soon go on my big rig that currently runs Debian Sid
2022-04-23 01:26:42	DeepDayze	maybe even triple boot Windows, Arch and Debian
2022-04-23 01:27:26	DeepDayze	If I break something in Arch I know where to go :)
2022-04-23 01:27:46	DeepDayze	I'll come here!
2022-04-23 02:32:36	beest	why am i only just hearing of garuda, what kind of horrors lurk there
2022-04-23 02:33:01	beest	oh jesus, btrfs by default
2022-04-23 02:33:17	beest	probably calamares
2022-04-23 02:33:21	beest	yep lol
2022-04-23 02:34:16	beest	oh wait, i did hear about this, there was something particularly horrible and i can't remember what it was
2022-04-23 02:35:58	DeepDayze	it also has a mac-like layout with a bar at top and launcher bar at bottom
2022-04-23 02:36:32	DeepDayze	btrfs with snapper for making snapshots
2022-04-23 02:43:19	Edu4rdSHL	beest, you hear what you search for
2022-04-23 02:43:21	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-04-23 02:43:31	DeepDayze	hehe
2022-04-23 02:48:02	Edu4rdSHL	Regarding BTRFS, it's damn stable right now for normal-user setups, I even have RAIDs without any problem.
2022-04-23 02:48:24	Edu4rdSHL	The only problem is with RAID5/6 setups
2022-04-23 02:48:27	DeepDayze	with something like snapper  that's even better
2022-04-23 02:48:44	DeepDayze	snapshots before and after updates for example
2022-04-23 02:48:49	Edu4rdSHL	Most of the problems that people had in the past are just myths
2022-04-23 02:48:57	Edu4rdSHL	Actually
2022-04-23 02:49:02	DeepDayze	yes mainly corner cases
2022-04-23 02:49:47	Edu4rdSHL	DeepDayze, I make daily snapshots using my own thing https://github.com/Edu4rdSHL/rusnapshot
2022-04-23 02:50:54	DeepDayze	Looks like a cool tool 
2022-04-23 02:50:56	Edu4rdSHL	The reason to create it, was that I didnt found a program that allows YOU to set the snapshots directory, all of them have a harcoded, non-configurable snapshots directory
2022-04-23 02:51:15	Edu4rdSHL	I was like... wtf? Why I can't configure where I want to put my snapshots? :p
2022-04-23 02:51:29	another|	I have snapper doing hourly snapshots
2022-04-23 02:51:30	DeepDayze	That's good if you want to keep your snapshots safe soemwhere
2022-04-23 02:51:50	DeepDayze	think with snapper you can tell it where you want it to place the snapshots
2022-04-23 02:52:21	DeepDayze	by default it keeps them in a subvolume on the same device
2022-04-23 02:53:00	DeepDayze	the problem would be what if the underlying device fails...you lose the snaps
2022-04-23 02:53:22	another|	snapshots are obviously no backups
2022-04-23 02:53:48	DeepDayze	absolutely right but are more like insurance in case of bad updates breaking things totally
2022-04-23 02:54:20	DeepDayze	you can roll back to a state before the update for example, akin to Windows restore
2022-04-23 02:54:34	another|	I think I used that once
2022-04-23 02:55:32	Edu4rdSHL	I haven't yet, but I do hourly and daily backups however (but I only keep 1 snapshot for each routine)
2022-04-23 02:55:53	Edu4rdSHL	The most loved thing that I've found on BTRFS is compression and subvolumes
2022-04-23 02:56:03	Edu4rdSHL	things*
2022-04-23 02:56:06	Edu4rdSHL	are*
2022-04-23 02:56:08	DeepDayze	that's its strong suit
2022-04-23 02:56:17	DeepDayze	ext4 doesn't do that
2022-04-23 02:56:37	DeepDayze	even though ext4 is a very mature filesystem
2022-04-23 02:56:37	Edu4rdSHL	Specially compression is a game-changer in many cases
2022-04-23 02:56:53	DeepDayze	right
2022-04-23 02:56:53	another|	my IRC logs are on a btrfs with forced zstd,15
2022-04-23 02:56:57	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL seeing his 200GB usage of 2TB >.<
2022-04-23 02:57:22	DeepDayze	be nice if you can shrink 2TB of data down to 200GB
2022-04-23 02:57:39	Edu4rdSHL	Well, of course that isn't 2TB shrinked to 200GB...
2022-04-23 02:57:52	Edu4rdSHL	But surely it's 350/400 GB shinked to 200GB
2022-04-23 02:57:58	another|	compressed down to 20%
2022-04-23 02:57:59	DeepDayze	about right
2022-04-23 02:58:43	another|	TOTAL       20%      635M         3.0G         3.0G
2022-04-23 03:00:30	DeepDayze	not bad for 3GB of data
2022-04-23 03:54:40	littlebobeep	I have never used a filesystem on Linux that supports compression hmmmmm
2022-04-23 03:55:31	littlebobeep	I don't know what I am missing (maybe)!!
2022-04-23 03:56:28	littlebobeep	Actually I might have used SquashFS hmmm
2022-04-23 03:56:31	Edu4rdSHL	littlebobeep, compression :p
2022-04-23 03:57:41	littlebobeep	Edu4rdSHL: What?
2022-04-23 03:57:51	Edu4rdSHL	That's what you're missing
2022-04-23 03:58:28	littlebobeep	Oh well I can use non-FS-level compression
2022-04-23 03:59:01	littlebobeep	I just haven't looked into Btrfs or ZFS that much (apparently Resier4 supports it too!)
2022-04-23 03:59:24	another|	reiser4 is not in the kernel though
2022-04-23 03:59:46	another|	reiser3 is deprecated and scheduled for removal; reiser5 is in dev
2022-04-23 03:59:50	littlebobeep	Yeah I know but it works in Linux even if not upstream
2022-04-23 03:59:58	littlebobeep	Yeah I heard about reiser3
2022-04-23 04:00:40	another|	I don't think too many people have touched reiser4 in the last decade.
2022-04-23 04:00:41	Edu4rdSHL	another|, good times to be a reiserfs user
2022-04-23 04:00:43	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-04-23 04:01:07	another|	I'd rather go with something more common
2022-04-23 04:01:29	another|	maybe if Reiser gets out next year, we'll get reiser5?
2022-04-23 04:02:25	littlebobeep	they should let prisoners code
2022-04-23 04:03:02	another|	does Amazon do drone delivery to prison?
2022-04-23 04:03:44	littlebobeep	why you need Amazon to commit to VCS?
2022-04-23 04:04:42	Edu4rdSHL	Why do prisoners needs access to internet? :p
2022-04-23 04:05:23	Hydragyrum	because he's just in for murder and we want him to write filesystem code for us
2022-04-23 04:05:38	Edu4rdSHL	x.x
2022-04-23 04:05:58	littlebobeep	Edu4rdSHL: Not need, but why not provide this if they actually use it productively
2022-04-23 05:10:52	blinux	I notice some gtk icons missing and not sure how to fix it.
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2022-04-23 06:31:53	randomxusr	I think a did a dumb.... Added my local user to the vboxusers group with "usermod -G vboxusers Username" Does this mean I removed my account from all other groups?
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2022-04-23 06:36:20	tirnanog	yes, it does. but, if you haven't signed out yet, you should be able to run "id" or "groups" to see the surviving group list.
2022-04-23 06:36:57	sheep	I think id and groups both look at passwd and groups files
2022-04-23 06:37:16	sheep	strace does show those reading from /etc/groups and /etc/passwd
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2022-04-23 06:37:27	ℹ 	tassee es conocido ahora como tasse
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2022-04-23 06:40:19	tirnanog	it won't matter unless the session is ended. that aside, there's also journalctl -t usermod.
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2022-04-23 06:41:31	tirnanog	as an aside, I tend to use gpasswd -a user group for this. partly because the order of the parameters feels more natural to me but also because it's relatively foolproof.
2022-04-23 06:42:35	tirnanog	although, it only tolerates one named group, which is a bit annoying.
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2022-04-23 06:55:51	randomxusr	tirnanog, thanks. Apologies for taking long to respond. Had a small emergency
2022-04-23 06:56:18	tirnanog	not to worry. courtesy is rare in this day and age (I don't even expect people to respond at all half the time).
2022-04-23 06:57:22	randomxusr	I had logged out already, so I think I'm going to need to arch-chroot and add myself back to the sudoers group. Guessing I'll need to add groups as I find out what ain't working
2022-04-23 06:58:03	tirnanog	are you able to access the journal?
2022-04-23 06:58:15	randomxusr	Good Question. Let's see
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2022-04-23 06:59:33	randomxusr	my system told me to take a hike and showed what groups can view the Journal. This sucks bawlz.... like the drink....
2022-04-23 06:59:36	tirnanog	if not, I think that it's possible to run "journalctl --directory=/var/log/journal/<machine-id>" -t usermod from a chroot, with /etc/machine-id containing such.
2022-04-23 06:59:45	tirnanog	and, with that, you should be able to see which groups you were dropped from.
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2022-04-23 07:00:41	tirnanog	oop. the second double quote was wrong placed but you get the idea, I trust.
2022-04-23 07:00:43	randomxusr	I'm just sad now
2022-04-23 07:01:31	randomxusr	Yea. I got the idea.  Need to make a backup of some files just in case I do something dumb like that again
2022-04-23 07:02:22	randomxusr	Now to find a working USB drive.... And cry myself to sleep
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2022-04-23 07:03:10	gehidore	don't know your root passwd?
2022-04-23 07:03:54	randomxusr	I know the root passwd, but the account is disabled/locked is there a way to fix that without chroot?
2022-04-23 07:04:04	◣	joey7 (~joey@gateway/tor-sasl/joey7) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-04-23 07:04:12	gehidore	root is disabled?
2022-04-23 07:05:04	◣	derzahl (~derzahl@gateway/tor-sasl/derzahl) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-04-23 07:05:05	tirnanog	if you are referring to pam_faillock shenanigans, you'll either have to wait it out or just not bother and go straight to live media.
2022-04-23 07:05:08	randomxusr	I think so. Status was last L or locked, on purpose. I did that for security, and relied on sudo as part of the Wheel group
2022-04-23 07:05:20	gehidore	carry on then
2022-04-23 07:05:55	randomxusr	gehidore, so no way to change without chroot then?
2022-04-23 07:06:40	gehidore	if you can't get in as root, no.
2022-04-23 07:06:50	randomxusr	just wanted to be sure
2022-04-23 07:07:07	randomxusr	Yay! what a fun night lol
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2022-04-23 07:13:45	randomxusr	Thanks all for you help. Here goes nothing
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2022-04-23 08:14:49	randomxusr	tirnanog, thanks again. your suggestion worked and I'm able to use my computer and all groups are restored. 
2022-04-23 08:14:59	tirnanog	very good.
2022-04-23 08:36:35	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-23 09:40:30	Ghosthree3	odd, archlinux-keyring update but it didn't spam any key removals or additions
2022-04-23 09:42:55	cyphertite	Ghosthree3:  same here
2022-04-23 09:43:14	Ghosthree3	yea never seen it do that
2022-04-23 09:50:46	thurstylark	There was a weirdness with a TU's key earlier afaik
2022-04-23 09:51:43	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-23 10:39:33	MrElendig	not really any weirdness, it just wasn't renewed in time
2022-04-23 10:45:09	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-23 17:28:50	nicholaus04	Howdy arch folks!
2022-04-23 17:29:16	nicholaus04	I'm now using irssi to chat via IRC.
2022-04-23 17:34:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-23 17:34:35	colo	nicholaus04, welcome to the 1337 club then
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2022-04-23 17:34:45	colo	(I use hexchat, ftr 8))
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2022-04-23 17:38:38	mpan	nicholaus04: welcome among the irssers. A fellow irsser here.
2022-04-23 17:38:44	nicholaus04	And plus, i even made my terminal (foot) use the CGA color palette.
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2022-04-23 17:43:52	ville	howdy anyone happen to be self-hosting their own email on some vps provider and arch? it's something i'd like to look into doing, but it seems unclear what exactly does it take to not have your emails rejected by the big name companies
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2022-04-23 18:02:57	mpan	ville: it takes nothing? Certainly nothing Arch-related. Just properly setup rDNS and SPF. Not that SPF is actually used, but its presence is checked. Also let the IP address stay unused for some time, if you just got it, as that may be a problem if its on blocklists.
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2022-04-23 18:05:30	mpan	Your MTA should also not bail out after the very first delivery failure, but retry after some time. That kind of blocking is routinely applied, as spammers rarely care about retrying.
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2022-04-23 18:07:55	MrElendig	there are a couple of "one docker image" solutions that does most of it for you
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2022-04-23 18:14:08	ville	yes suppose it's more of a linux or sysadmin question
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2022-04-23 18:25:39	ds-ac	ville: You might also be interedted into signing your emails with DKIM (opendkim is available in Arch repos) and setting up a dmarc field in your dns 
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2022-04-23 18:26:15	ℹ 	brw0 es conocido ahora como brw
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2022-04-23 18:26:52	ville	yeah i'm trying to check all the things mentioned in: https://blog.paranoidpenguin.net/2020/02/self-hosting-email-in-2020-joe-nobody-vs-world/
2022-04-23 18:26:54	phrik	Title: Self-hosting email in 2020 – Joe Nobody vs. World | ParanoidPenguin.net (at blog.paranoidpenguin.net)
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2022-04-23 18:28:47	ds-ac	Yep, looks good :)
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2022-04-23 18:32:04	Khorne	dkim,spf,dmard are the very minimum
2022-04-23 18:32:12	Khorne	expect some mail to fall through still
2022-04-23 18:32:28	Khorne	Especially on some of the wonkier/newer tlds
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2022-04-23 18:32:42	MrElendig	just the fact that you are on a "residental" ip block might cause emails to the thrown away
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2022-04-23 18:32:56	Khorne	They mentioned a VPS provider
2022-04-23 18:32:59	◣	nortega (~nortega@user/nortega) ha salido (Quit: God bless you!)
2022-04-23 18:33:06	Khorne	Oh, also don't have it on OVH or DigitalOcean :')
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2022-04-23 18:33:21	Khorne	Their IP ranges suck ass
2022-04-23 18:33:54	teraflops	microsoft blocks /24 so good luck if your mx ip address is in one of those blocks
2022-04-23 18:33:55	ville	originally i was considering hetzner because https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux_on_a_VPS seems to suggest there some kind of offical image for it
2022-04-23 18:33:57	phrik	Title: Arch Linux on a VPS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-23 18:34:10	Khorne	I host on Hetzner, Debian, and it works fine usually
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2022-04-23 18:34:21	Khorne	But I also have my IP for a few years now
2022-04-23 18:34:42	ville	Khorne: lack of DNSSEC and DANE not an issue? or do they support those. all I could find was from 2018
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2022-04-23 18:35:23	Khorne	Oh, my registrar isn't Hetzner
2022-04-23 18:36:16	ville	Khorne: so you bought the domain from someone else that supports those two acronyms then? this all is bit new to me
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2022-04-23 18:36:46	Khorne	Yep, but I don't think I have them set up even, I just threw my CAA in there
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2022-04-23 18:37:39	ville	i quite liked the pricing hetzner had, but complete lack of understanding in this domain makes it difficult to assess what's acceptable
2022-04-23 18:38:23	Khorne	DNSSEC is not something mail receivers care too much about in my experience
2022-04-23 18:38:24	ds-ac	Otherwise, you can deleguate the DNS zone to your server and manage it (eg with bind9), enabling dnssec and adding the appropriate dns fields
2022-04-23 18:38:46	ds-ac	(if you want to use dnssec)
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2022-04-23 18:39:22	teraflops	there are many tools to check mx sanity, and even to send emails and inspect headers
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2022-04-23 18:39:47	teraflops	online tools
2022-04-23 18:40:01	ville	yeah the article i linked points out couple i believe
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2022-04-23 18:41:46	Khorne	mxtoolbox does you well, as well as https://www.mail-tester.com/
2022-04-23 18:41:47	phrik	Title: Newsletters spam test by mail-tester.com (at www.mail-tester.com)
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2022-04-23 18:47:07	teraflops	been using kvm VM on inception hosting for years, good service almost never got issues
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2022-04-23 21:50:40	Ghosthree3	after an update?
2022-04-23 21:51:01	Ghosthree3	my shares break when the kernel updates, no idea why, smb.service needs a restart. which makes inverse sense
2022-04-23 21:52:17	MrElendig	smbclient 4.16 broke gvfs-smb
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2022-04-23 22:51:20	jonathon	Quite possible the battery has stopped charging and there's nothing to do
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2022-04-23 23:16:52	Kottizen	jonathon: I think the battery works just fine. When remove the USB-C cable, the computer remains running, but on battery. If I connect the charger, it also works. Then, KDE says it's charging.
2022-04-23 23:18:43	jonathon	Yes
2022-04-23 23:19:29	jonathon	Discharge the battery fully, then it will charge to 100%
2022-04-23 23:21:06	mpan	Kottizen: do you see anything in “/sys/class/power_supply/” ?
2022-04-23 23:21:39	Scimmia	jonathon: I think the issue isn't the 95%, but the fact that it says it's on battery instead of plugged in
2022-04-23 23:22:20	jonathon	Yes, because the battery circuitry has stopped accepting charge at that point
2022-04-23 23:22:28	jonathon	It's not a problem
2022-04-23 23:22:36	Scimmia	it should still say plugged in
2022-04-23 23:22:48	mpan	jonathon: which is expected to be reported as the laptop running on PSU power, not on battery.
2022-04-23 23:23:53	mpan	(note to Kottizen: I am now on a device with no such capabilities, so I can’t compare and I am working from memory)
2022-04-23 23:24:29	Scimmia	I just tested mine, plugging into a usb c charger does show as plugged in in the kde power manager
2022-04-23 23:25:02	jonathon	With the same battery firmware and charging circuitry?
2022-04-23 23:26:02	mpan	jonathon: what it means is that it’s not KDE power manager’s feature. Not that it works.
2022-04-23 23:26:29	jonathon	I could be wrong and it's a bug, but the various laptops I have behave differently
2022-04-23 23:26:39	mpan	Read as: Scimmia has eliminated the possibility that the current version of the power manager is simply reporting battery charge only. Which would fit your idea. But no, it reports the cable being plugged in.
2022-04-23 23:27:07	jonathon	Can even depend on the charger
2022-04-23 23:27:25	mpan	Kottizen has all reasons to expect that the external power supply will be reported.
2022-04-23 23:28:16	jonathon	Oh, wait, it's not reporting that the additional USBC PD connection is a charger
2022-04-23 23:28:16	jonathon	Gotcha
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2022-04-24 00:13:10	jmariondev	I don't think the radio hardware can operate as both an access point and a member of another network simultaneously?
2022-04-24 00:14:19	ugga-the-caveman	i dont really know. but i found this https://www.suse.com/c/creating-virtual-wlan-interfaces/
2022-04-24 00:14:22	phrik	Title: Creating Virtual WLAN Interfaces | SUSE Communities (at www.suse.com)
2022-04-24 00:14:35	ugga-the-caveman	seems to be exactly what i want to do
2022-04-24 00:18:12	jmariondev	That author appears to be using "virtual" WLAN interfaces there, ie the same "dummy" interface you're referring to earlier but WLAN-flavored
2022-04-24 00:21:21	MrElendig	buy yourself a cheap set of mesh APs instead
2022-04-24 00:21:38	MrElendig	(preferable with wired backhaul)
2022-04-24 00:23:19	ugga-the-caveman	i want to use this laptop as a travel router/webserver/nas
2022-04-24 00:23:37	ugga-the-caveman	so when i could not carry a ton of hardware to use it, would be good
2022-04-24 00:24:42	jmariondev	In that case, find a USB WiFi dongle capable of working in access-point mode. You'll use your laptop's radio normally for internet connectivity, then the dongle to provide your own SSID
2022-04-24 00:25:35	ugga-the-caveman	jeah i think this is the best solution too. but i dont want to go and buy a new dongle for that
2022-04-24 00:25:37	ugga-the-caveman	i am poor
2022-04-24 00:26:01	ugga-the-caveman	and i like challenges ;)
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2022-04-24 00:55:54	another|	I believe `valid interface combinations` should give you the answer
2022-04-24 00:58:16	ugga-the-caveman	jeah it seems to work
2022-04-24 00:58:33	ugga-the-caveman	i have 2 interfaces and both can connect to wlans
2022-04-24 01:09:18	MacGyver	jmariondev: The radio hardware can *absolutely* operate as both an access point and a member of another network simultaneously -- I haven't seen a lot of interfaces that can't *at all* in the past decade. The only caveat is that *some* hardware can only operate in this way on the same channel, which makes it a rather suboptimal solution.
2022-04-24 01:10:51	m1cl	test
2022-04-24 01:10:56	thrice	!fail
2022-04-24 01:10:56	phrik	Oooooh! The failure!
2022-04-24 01:11:10	m1cl[m]	yeah
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2022-04-24 02:02:04	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1456 apodos (3 ops, 0 voces, 1453 normals)
2022-04-24 01:49:58	topcat001	I'm happy to report that after the update to libva and intel-media driver, iHD is being correctly used for VAAPI (hardware video decoding) again :)
2022-04-24 01:50:20	topcat001	This broke after mesa was updated.
2022-04-24 01:50:57	DeepDayze	Great!
2022-04-24 01:51:30	BoBeR182_	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sonarr
2022-04-24 01:51:34	BoBeR182_	is marked out of date
2022-04-24 01:51:36	BoBeR182_	but it's not
2022-04-24 01:51:47	BoBeR182_	can a comaintainer unmark it, or just maintainers?
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2022-04-24 02:53:19	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1453 apodos (3 ops, 0 voces, 1450 normals)
2022-04-24 02:43:48	ugga-the-caveman	i just installed a packet (dhcp) and was confronted with this error: Setting file flags is only supported on regular files and directories, cannot set on '/var/lib/mysql'.
2022-04-24 02:44:20	ugga-the-caveman	is have mariadb installed and i changed /var/lib/mysql to a link
2022-04-24 02:45:10	ugga-the-caveman	$ ls -alh /var/lib/mysql
2022-04-24 02:45:10	ugga-the-caveman	lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 Apr 21 00:31 /var/lib/mysql -> /mnt/storage/mariadb_datadir/
2022-04-24 02:45:44	jonathon	BoBeR182_, I think either should be able to
2022-04-24 02:46:05	MacGyver	ugga-the-caveman: So what, exactly, is your question?
2022-04-24 02:46:30	ugga-the-caveman	jeah, i am wondering if this error is "bad"
2022-04-24 02:46:33	Namarrgon	replacing managed files with symlinks is a bad idea
2022-04-24 02:46:35	ugga-the-caveman	or i can ignore it
2022-04-24 02:46:56	ugga-the-caveman	ah thx Namarrgon
2022-04-24 02:47:26	ugga-the-caveman	what exactly does managed mean in this context ?
2022-04-24 02:47:37	ugga-the-caveman	or who is managing this ?  mariadb ?
2022-04-24 02:47:41	Namarrgon	managed by pacman
2022-04-24 02:48:11	ugga-the-caveman	mh, i am confused. why should pacman want to change anything on my database datadir ?
2022-04-24 02:48:12	MacGyver	Namarrgon: That being said, is there a sensible way to have the data dir on a separate FS, since that appears to be what's going on here.
2022-04-24 02:48:14	Namarrgon	if /var/lib/mysql isn't to your liking then change --datadir
2022-04-24 02:48:39	ugga-the-caveman	MacGyver yes
2022-04-24 02:49:01	Namarrgon	pacman can replace the symlink and reinstate the file, which is probably not what you want
2022-04-24 02:49:48	Namarrgon	or at least use a bind-mount
2022-04-24 02:50:01	MacGyver	Apparently --datadir is not sufficient if I'm reading the second green block under https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/MariaDB#Installation correctly.
2022-04-24 02:50:02	phrik	Title: MariaDB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-24 02:50:33	ugga-the-caveman	i think i treid something like changing the datadir before
2022-04-24 02:50:50	ugga-the-caveman	it didnt work and then i thought this is a good solution
2022-04-24 02:51:32	Namarrgon	MacGyver: you need to modify the service, or whatever starts mariadb, as well
2022-04-24 02:51:34	ugga-the-caveman	Namarrgon what is a bind-mount? you mean i should mount /mnt/storage/datadir to /var/lib/mysql ?
2022-04-24 02:51:45	Namarrgon	yes, you could do that
2022-04-24 02:51:58	ugga-the-caveman	that sounds more good for me
2022-04-24 02:52:17	ugga-the-caveman	ok, thx guys. i have to do a little reading now
2022-04-24 02:52:22	Namarrgon	i personally think it's a ugly and a kludge but it will work
2022-04-24 02:52:30	Namarrgon	*it is ugly
2022-04-24 02:53:22	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-24 03:28:04	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1453 apodos (3 ops, 0 voces, 1450 normals)
2022-04-24 03:09:19	ericam	I'm using a KVM switch to switch between my personal desktop and work laptop, and whenever I switch back to my personal desktop, my capslock gets reset to capslock, rather than escape. I'm using `setxkbmap -model pc105 -layout us -option "caps:escape"` to set it; how can I make Xorg permenantly set this for my keyboard?
2022-04-24 03:10:17	ugga-the-caveman	does the kvm switch "unplugg" the keyboard while switching ?
2022-04-24 03:10:26	ugga-the-caveman	perhaps that is the reason
2022-04-24 03:12:18	ericam	Yeah, I think it does do that. How can I make the change permanent, so that when I switch back it works properly?
2022-04-24 03:13:48	ugga-the-caveman	sry, no clue
2022-04-24 03:16:25	ugga-the-caveman	how do i put this into /etc/fstab (or what else do i do to make those mounts permanent) ?           mount --bind /mnt/storage/mariadb_datadir /var/lib/mysql/
2022-04-24 03:17:10	ugga-the-caveman	found solution : /source /destination none defaults,bind 0 0
2022-04-24 03:17:53	topcat001	ericam: I wonder if you would find Barrier useful.
2022-04-24 03:22:00	Nitrousoxide	I’m not seeing an /etc/integritytab file, though this commit was merged to the systemd mainline 6 months ago. I’m not seeing an /etc/integritytab file, though this commit was merged to the systemd mainline 
2022-04-24 03:22:13	Nitrousoxide	Oops, meant to paste the link https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/20902
2022-04-24 03:23:18	topcat001	#archlinux2
2022-04-24 03:23:29	topcat001	!#archlinux2
2022-04-24 03:23:30	phrik	Having issues with software X? Just use software Y instead and be a happier person! You won't regret it.
2022-04-24 03:28:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-24 04:16:38	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1452 apodos (3 ops, 0 voces, 1449 normals)
2022-04-24 04:00:53	hendry	keep running into an issue where drop boxes don't work in Chrome after taking a screenshot
2022-04-24 04:15:45	ericam	topcat001: I'm using a physical kvm switch
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2022-04-24 04:36:06	randomxusr	Agreed!
2022-04-24 05:07:24	powftw	just after updating system, i'm getting new error when doing `pipenv shell` like i usually do `pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: The 'setuptools>=60.0.0' distribution was not found and is required by pipenv`
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2022-04-24 05:28:36	powftw	mefistofeles: i did not mess with anything
2022-04-24 05:28:48	powftw	`/usr/bin/python`
2022-04-24 05:36:58	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, AL needs to update python-setuptools
2022-04-24 05:37:05	Edu4rdSHL	That's the problem
2022-04-24 05:37:35	powftw	Edu4rdSHL: `The 'setuptools>=60.0.0' distribution was not found and is required by pipenv`
2022-04-24 05:37:43	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/74540?project=5&string=python-pipenv
2022-04-24 05:37:44	phrik	Title: FS#74540 : [python-pipenv] pipenv requires version of setuptools that isn't in Arch yet (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-04-24 05:37:53	powftw	`warning: python-setuptools-1:59.5.0-1 is up to date -- reinstalling`
2022-04-24 05:38:13	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, yes, as I said: AL needs to update python-setuptools
2022-04-24 05:38:17	Edu4rdSHL	AL = ArchLinux
2022-04-24 05:38:24	Edu4rdSHL	Read the bug report I posted
2022-04-24 05:39:13	powftw	but, how can i work on my things now?
2022-04-24 05:39:15	powftw	any idea?
2022-04-24 05:39:28	powftw	pipenv won't start without it
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2022-04-24 05:59:45	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: oh wow
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2022-04-24 06:22:46	⚡ 	ToCatchATiger points
2022-04-24 06:27:27	ToCatchATiger	look! it's z architect
2022-04-24 06:28:15	CompanionCube	did you mean z/architecture
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2022-04-24 07:04:16	ToCatchATiger	you could watch it for hours 
2022-04-24 07:08:29	ToCatchATiger	whats the problem mefistofeles
2022-04-24 07:12:54	ToCatchATiger	archlinux has good webdocs 
2022-04-24 07:17:32	jirido	I did ad an env variable to a .desktop file to ad a gtk3 theme and it works when clicking on it or if launching with albert, bun not if I click on an associated file in pcmanfm. I tried update-desktop-database but I guess I got that wrong. how?
2022-04-24 07:17:50	jirido	but*
2022-04-24 07:24:35	ToCatchATiger	did you try the webdocs
2022-04-24 07:25:02	ToCatchATiger	archlinux has some stron webdocs 
2022-04-24 07:25:09	ToCatchATiger	strong*
2022-04-24 07:25:27	mpan	!ops
2022-04-24 07:25:27	phrik	alad, amcrae, gehidore/man, grawity, heftig, jelle, MrElendig/Mion, Namarrgon, tigrmesh/tigr, wonder/ioni
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2022-04-24 11:34:37	randomxusr	I'd like to test a 32 bit package, but I haven't been using multilib in my mirrors. Is it safe to install a single package with "pacman -S multilib/package"?
2022-04-24 11:39:29	artefact	you'll need to enable multilib in your pacman.conf
2022-04-24 11:40:47	randomxusr	artefact, I can do that. Should only install those packages which I explicitly list right?
2022-04-24 11:45:15	artefact	and probably a fair bunch of dependencies as libs
2022-04-24 11:48:32	randomxusr	got it. It wasn't too bad. I'm likely to remove the package and revert to excluding multilib for reasons Thanks for the quick reply
2022-04-24 11:59:02	seventyfour	Anyone know why we're stuck on python-setuptools from 2021? (which is like 10s of releases behind latest stable by now)
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2022-04-24 21:05:47	snoot	are you guys still using audacity or have you switched to a fork like tenacity for example?
2022-04-24 21:07:06	Ghosthree3	https://archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&q=acity&maintainer=&flagged=
2022-04-24 21:07:08	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2022-04-24 21:07:23	Ghosthree3	im sure there's forks in the AUR, except one, which was unfairly removed :(
2022-04-24 21:08:15	river	i use sneedacity
2022-04-24 21:09:11	Ghosthree3	dead :(
2022-04-24 21:10:35	snoot	i think tenacity is the only option sadly
2022-04-24 21:16:16	@Foxboron	Ghosthree3: unfairly removed?
2022-04-24 21:17:06	Ghosthree3	got spammed with reports and the hassle wasn't wanted so it was removed iirc. was just a normal package same as any other afaik
2022-04-24 21:17:21	@Foxboron	It was a troll project from 4chan to stirr up shit
2022-04-24 21:17:24	Ghosthree3	dead project anyway so doesn't matter
2022-04-24 21:17:25	@Foxboron	and as expected; it's dead
2022-04-24 21:17:41	Ghosthree3	i mean it was still legitimate software, if people want to maintain and install it who cares
2022-04-24 21:17:52	Ghosthree3	(but it is now dead so useless)
2022-04-24 21:18:04	@Foxboron	Reminds me
2022-04-24 21:18:09	@Foxboron	Ckat: do you want an unban from -aur?
2022-04-24 21:19:04	Ckat	sure I guess
2022-04-24 21:19:23	Ckat	what gave you the change of heart?
2022-04-24 21:20:31	@Foxboron	Ckat: Nothing? I assume you are not going to do shit like that again and usually bans expire after a few months anyway
2022-04-24 21:20:56	Ckat	its sure been a few months, and I would like to be able to ask future packaging questions there
2022-04-24 21:20:58	@Foxboron	the thing is that we dont use EMIYA in -aur so stuff stays there
2022-04-24 21:21:23	@Foxboron	removed the ban atleast
2022-04-24 21:22:39	Ckat	truth be told from the times I can remember I'm pretty sure all my pkgbuild questions were answered here before I remembered there was an -aur channel. but regardless thanks
2022-04-24 21:23:40	@Foxboron	You do usually get good answers from this channel indeed
2022-04-24 21:39:19	MacGyver	Is EMIYA an instance of litharge?
2022-04-24 21:39:41	MacGyver	Foxboron: Because if not, and you don't want EMIYA for -aur, you could still be using litharge to do your ban management.
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2022-04-24 22:36:28	jirido	when checking with vlc --list |grep h265 i get a demuxer, encoder and packetizer but no decoder.. Do I have to install that specifically? Vlc do not play H265 vids well.
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2022-04-24 22:37:13	jirido	I have no hardware support for it but mplayer plays it ok
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2022-04-24 22:38:10	MrElendig	test mpv instead of mplayer
2022-04-24 22:39:05	jirido	yeah but h265 has been around so long that I think vlc should be made to play it.. Am I wrong?
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2022-04-24 22:39:21	jirido	I mean it is just a codec right
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2022-04-24 22:40:51	artefact	try grepping for hevc?
2022-04-24 22:40:52	jirido	Should be able to make it play it*
2022-04-24 22:41:03	jirido	ok
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2022-04-24 22:42:22	artefact	never mind, i can run it here. yeah there's no reason vlc can't handle hevc
2022-04-24 22:42:34	artefact	have you actually tried playing a file?
2022-04-24 22:42:52	jirido	I did not find it
2022-04-24 22:42:57	jirido	:) vlc --list |grep hvec
2022-04-24 22:42:59	jirido	VLC media player 3.0.17.4 Vetinari (revision 3.0.13-8-g41878ff4f2)
2022-04-24 22:43:09	jirido	sorry
2022-04-24 22:43:19	bparker	hevc*
2022-04-24 22:43:47	jirido	  hevc                   HEVC/H.265 video packetizer
2022-04-24 22:43:59	jirido	is that a decoder?
2022-04-24 22:44:05	bparker	no
2022-04-24 22:44:21	jirido	that is the only one that shows for me
2022-04-24 22:45:05	jirido	Yeah I have tried many times
2022-04-24 22:45:26	artefact	i'm not sure vlc --list even shows codecs
2022-04-24 22:45:50	artefact	!error
2022-04-24 22:45:50	phrik	An error occured while attempting to display the error message.
2022-04-24 22:45:55	artefact	!errors
2022-04-24 22:45:55	phrik	Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2022-04-24 22:46:37	jirido	I get this kind of errors [hevc @ 0x7f0998c60f40] Could not find ref with POC 654
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2022-04-24 22:46:52	jirido	when it stutters and greys out and seme to lose keyframes..
2022-04-24 22:47:02	artefact	ah, so it does work. it's just a broken file
2022-04-24 22:47:20	jirido	all 265 videos are the same
2022-04-24 22:47:27	jirido	so no
2022-04-24 22:47:44	artefact	do they all come from the same source?
2022-04-24 22:47:50	jirido	nop
2022-04-24 22:47:56	jirido	rom torrents
2022-04-24 22:48:03	jirido	from*
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2022-04-24 22:49:08	jirido	so it is something.. I have disabled HW-decoding
2022-04-24 22:49:29	jirido	as i dont have HW support
2022-04-24 22:49:54	bparker	why not
2022-04-24 22:50:25	jirido	old laptop I guess
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2022-04-24 22:56:37	jirido	I have libde265 installed but there shown no hevc or h265 among the codecs in vlc settings.
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2022-04-24 23:07:12	demonicmaniac1	that error is a file error/encoding error though. s
2022-04-24 23:07:31	demonicmaniac1	if you didnt have h265 decoding codec nothing would show at all
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2022-04-24 23:13:41	Ckat	should check if you have hardware acceleration stuff needed for your flavor of gpu, then consider using mpv instead
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2022-04-24 23:26:11	MrElendig	mpv have a (in my experience) more efficient software decoder for hevc too
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2022-04-24 23:27:39	bparker	I thought both just used ffmpeg
2022-04-24 23:27:49	artefact	vlc doesn't use ffmpeg, iirc
2022-04-24 23:28:10	bparker	I would argue mpv can render in general more efficiently though, regardless of codec
2022-04-24 23:28:17	bparker	artefact: balderdash
2022-04-24 23:28:36	jirido	Impulsif: I agree
2022-04-24 23:28:45	jirido	upps
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2022-04-24 23:29:59	bparker	both vlc and mpv use libavcodec which is from the ffmpeg project
2022-04-24 23:30:01	jirido	Ckat: I do not have any HW support on this 6 year old laptop
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2022-04-24 23:30:29	Ckat	I'm telling you this from a 10 year old one
2022-04-24 23:30:43	jirido	I normally use smplayer
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2022-04-24 23:31:45	jirido	And it works fine, but I like vlc better and I have to start vids from context menu's second choice al time
2022-04-24 23:31:55	demonicmaniac1	mpv is actually less "efficient" in that it removes many overlay features and special features and just uses hwdec and copying to opengl texture when possible
2022-04-24 23:32:10	bparker	sounds based
2022-04-24 23:32:18	artefact	there's reasons for that
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2022-04-24 23:32:21	demonicmaniac1	which is considerably less efficient than if you can use vaapi overlay or for older gpus with < gl3 using xvideo
2022-04-24 23:32:40	demonicmaniac1	it's more "compatible" but less "efficient"
2022-04-24 23:33:10	demonicmaniac1	osd scaling and what not and osc being not really usable with xvideo/vaapi
2022-04-24 23:33:16	jirido	It's just so.. VLC my old trusty hero.. failing where some new upstarter succeed..
2022-04-24 23:33:20	demonicmaniac1	or postprocessing shaders
2022-04-24 23:33:36	MrElendig	still manages it with well under half the cpu load
2022-04-24 23:33:44	artefact	mpv isn't some new upstarter. it shares the history of mplayer
2022-04-24 23:33:47	MrElendig	but sure for hardware that supports vaapi, use vaapi
2022-04-24 23:33:48	Ckat	I think you're better off on the vlc channels with this though
2022-04-24 23:33:50	demonicmaniac1	compared to mplayer? no
2022-04-24 23:33:54	demonicmaniac1	vlc i never use so i dunno
2022-04-24 23:33:58	MrElendig	compared to vlc
2022-04-24 23:34:09	artefact	and you can still use vdpau/xv with mpv. they're deprecated but still there, iirc
2022-04-24 23:34:19	artefact	(if you like blurry subtitles/osd)
2022-04-24 23:34:19	demonicmaniac1	though i wonder if that's just vlc or cvlc as well without drawing the gui around it
2022-04-24 23:34:44	artefact	(and black pixels bleeding through video in other gl windows)
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2022-04-24 23:35:46	demonicmaniac1	mplayer still has the vidix/xvidix stuff though with mpv completely removed
2022-04-24 23:35:54	jirido	I did ask in #videolan but even with 180 users it is all quiet for over an houre
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2022-04-24 23:36:13	demonicmaniac1	and testing on my trusty pentium M 600mhz mplayer 480p works okish and mpv drops more frames with xv heh
2022-04-24 23:36:34	demonicmaniac1	but that's really talking extreme cases where either can't really do it without dropping frames and miniscule differences
2022-04-24 23:36:42	jirido	demonicmaniac1: is this h265?
2022-04-24 23:36:58	Ckat	think this laptop was a bad example with what I was trying to talk about though as I see I have nothing installed here for hardware accel
2022-04-24 23:37:08	demonicmaniac1	h265 1080p is easily software decoded on any core 2 duo cpu from 2007 onwards
2022-04-24 23:37:21	demonicmaniac1	unless it's like 120hz or something
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2022-04-24 23:37:32	artefact	in yuv420
2022-04-24 23:37:42	demonicmaniac1	the POC you mention IS a file error/encoding error
2022-04-24 23:37:49	bparker	21:32 < demonicmaniac1> which is considerably less efficient than if you can use vaapi overlay or for older gpus with < gl3 using xvideo
2022-04-24 23:37:53	bparker	you can do all of that with mpv
2022-04-24 23:38:11	bparker	it has an absolutely ridiculous amount of video knobs
2022-04-24 23:38:11	demonicmaniac1	either the torrent screwed up or you have disk rot or you have some torrent with strange padding or whatever
2022-04-24 23:39:05	demonicmaniac1	indeed i do use mpv with vaapi directly without gl here and did use it with xv on the pentium M
2022-04-24 23:39:23	bparker	vlc doesn't have much tuning in the way of video presentation but mpv has tons of controls from complete swapchain control, to frame pacing, different timing sources, all sorts of stuff
2022-04-24 23:39:32	demonicmaniac1	anything vidix/xvidix could at most decode mpeg2 anyways or divx and no h264/vc1 and be 32bit only
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2022-04-25 13:00:52	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1473 apodos (4 ops, 0 voces, 1469 normals)
2022-04-25 09:47:40	fruity_tomato	hi all
2022-04-25 09:48:02	fruity_tomato	im trying to install this from AUR https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/stretchly but for some reason my pacman cannot find the packge `nvm`, like it does not exist
2022-04-25 09:48:04	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - stretchly (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-04-25 09:48:18	fruity_tomato	if i do 'pacman -Ss nvm' it does not find it but i do see it in the package  search
2022-04-25 09:49:02	mkoskar	fruity_tomato: nvm is aur package itself
2022-04-25 09:49:37	fruity_tomato	huh, did i search wrong
2022-04-25 09:49:50	fruity_tomato	ah, guess i did
2022-04-25 09:51:21	fruity_tomato	seems like manual aur interaction is becoming a bit much so time to choose an aur helper
2022-04-25 09:54:16	aminvakil	fruity_tomato: depends, not all aur packages have dependencies which are aur packages themselves
2022-04-25 09:54:40	fruity_tomato	yeah, not expecting it to happen often
2022-04-25 09:54:46	aminvakil	and it's better to learn and understand installing aur packages using makepkg itself instead of jumping on aur helpers
2022-04-25 09:56:26	fruity_tomato	i've been doing it for the past months though i do not have many aur packages yet installed, so far the process seems fairly simple and the most important part is inspecting the PKGBUILD before installing/upgrading
2022-04-25 09:57:02	fruity_tomato	not sure what else is there than doing makepkg/inspecitng PKGBUILD
2022-04-25 10:12:52	aminvakil	aur helpers bring unnecessary headaches, i can't recall how now though :) i have never used any
2022-04-25 10:13:44	wunit	if you're using bad AUR helpers ;-)
2022-04-25 10:15:09	wunit	(of which there's an overwhelming majority)
2022-04-25 11:26:10	ntz	hello
2022-04-25 11:26:30	bittin_	hi
2022-04-25 11:26:34	ntz	just a quick Q:, trying to google that out but didn't find what I was looking for
2022-04-25 11:27:25	ntz	is there some command line utility that can be used for example for logrotate to handle with /var/spool/mail/ mailboxes ? eg to properly parse them in mail/chunk like way and to properly roatte them
2022-04-25 11:27:39	ntz	instead of plain stupid and brute logrotate
2022-04-25 11:41:52	michelesr	vaapi is broken for me on Firefox 99, did anyone manage to find a fix/workaround yet? was working before and I'm on Wayland 
2022-04-25 11:42:26	michelesr	getting: '[RDD 523: MediaSupervisor #1]: D/PlatformDecoderModule FFMPEG: VAAPI is disabled by parent decoder module.'
2022-04-25 11:55:14	sorta	!paste
2022-04-25 11:55:14	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-04-25 11:55:35	sorta	!ix
2022-04-25 11:55:36	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-04-25 11:56:22	chuck	Yo! guys, what about ryzen 9 3000 or 5000 and arch linux, is there any issue ?
2022-04-25 11:56:45	colo	both will work fine, chuck
2022-04-25 11:57:02	colo	(except that these specific model numbers do not exist ;))
2022-04-25 11:57:10	chuck	Thanks colo 
2022-04-25 13:00:52	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-25 17:51:42	[6502]	solved... now I've just to find enough disk space on / (I've a terabyte, but in another volume)... thanks for the help...
2022-04-25 17:52:01	arjun	pleasantly surprised finding libgccjit in the arch core repos
2022-04-25 17:52:21	arjun	i remember it used to be a AUR compile it from the source thing
2022-04-25 17:52:42	arjun	just like a couple of months back
2022-04-25 17:56:58	Edu4rdSHL	arjun, https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commit/b4d22c51580ea743c0a079f36876127e5bf93b56
2022-04-25 17:57:14	Edu4rdSHL	Sorry, https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commit/19b2c6d19f4d2ef14f0490f5939d8c66ac0af520
2022-04-25 17:58:13	arjun	Edu4rdSHL: yea, makes compiling emacs from source that much easier
2022-04-25 17:58:47	arjun	distros like fedora or opensuse always had that in the core repos and i wondered why arch didn't
2022-04-25 17:58:57	arjun	now it does :)
2022-04-25 18:08:28	danisanti	why the pinentry package changed from being from gnupg.org to this smelly github.com/t-8ch/pinentry-bemenu ?
2022-04-25 18:09:39	BrainDamage	it didn't? they are two separare packages
2022-04-25 18:09:45	BrainDamage	https://archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&q=pinentry
2022-04-25 18:09:47	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2022-04-25 18:10:48	danisanti	BrainDamage: when I do: pacman -S pinentry it installs the smelly pinentry-bemenu. How to install the gnupg.org pinentry using pacman?
2022-04-25 18:12:19	BrainDamage	try pacman -S core/pinentry
2022-04-25 18:12:46	BrainDamage	sounds like you have something installed which has requires on bemenu-pinentry, and the program itself provides pinentry
2022-04-25 18:12:58	danisanti	I am wrong
2022-04-25 18:13:04	gehidore	good 
2022-04-25 18:13:09	danisanti	There is something weird in here
2022-04-25 18:13:14	MacGyver	Afaict nothing depends directly on pinentry-bemenu.
2022-04-25 18:13:20	danisanti	ok
2022-04-25 18:13:22	danisanti	thanks
2022-04-25 18:13:30	MacGyver	And that's not me being out of date, you can just see that on https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/pinentry-bemenu/
2022-04-25 18:13:33	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - pinentry-bemenu 0.10.0-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-04-25 18:14:15	BrainDamage	that only scans official repos tho, so the "something" can be from something else
2022-04-25 18:18:01	danisanti	BrainDamage: I don't know what just happened
2022-04-25 18:18:05	danisanti	ohh well
2022-04-25 18:18:13	danisanti	thank you guys
2022-04-25 18:18:15	another|	anthraxx: arojas: I gotta ask: What's blocking dav1d 1.0.0 ? VLC? ffmpeg? manpower?
2022-04-25 18:19:51	anthraxx	another|: manpower, hope someone could do that rebuild. ill ask in internal chan in a sec
2022-04-25 18:33:49	dav1d	:(
2022-04-25 18:43:17	MacGyver	Right, could be that an AUR package depends on the -bemenu version.
2022-04-25 18:43:25	MacGyver	Still, in that case, wouldn't it already *be* installed?
2022-04-25 18:55:48	Antiz	Hi everyone :)
2022-04-25 18:56:06	thurstylark	!welcomerpg
2022-04-25 18:56:07	phrik	Greetings, traveller of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get destroyed today?
2022-04-25 18:57:11	Antiz	I have a bash question. I know it doesn't sound arch related, but the idea is to post this script on the AUR. I want to do something that may be weird, I don't even know if it is possible nor if it well be accepted on the AUR.
2022-04-25 18:57:28	thurstylark	well, out with it ;)
2022-04-25 18:58:10	Antiz	Alright ^^, maybe I should ask in #archlinux-aur ?
2022-04-25 18:59:03	thurstylark	meh, your choice. It's quiet around here at the moment
2022-04-25 18:59:43	sorta	im astonisged at how you managed to say so little while saying so mich lol
2022-04-25 18:59:50	sorta	much*
2022-04-25 18:59:51	Antiz	Well... Will you help me if I ask it ? ^^
2022-04-25 19:00:15	thurstylark	It depends on what you ask for, sooo
2022-04-25 19:00:17	Antiz	sorta: IDK lol. "Out with it" sounds like : "It's not the right place". Maybe I missunderstood ? ^
2022-04-25 19:00:18	thurstylark	get on with it
2022-04-25 19:00:32	Antiz	Alright, I missunderstood. Anyway here it is :
2022-04-25 19:00:42	thurstylark	"out with it" as in get it out of your mouth :P
2022-04-25 19:00:50	thurstylark	spit it out :P
2022-04-25 19:00:55	Antiz	Yup my bad ^^ Didn't get it x)
2022-04-25 19:02:02	Antiz	Okay so I wrote a collection of scripts that I would like to package on the AUR. The thing is, in order to work entirely, they need to be sourced and not regularely executed.
2022-04-25 19:02:40	Antiz	To try my stuff locally, I just created an alias in my .bashrc like "alias script='source /path/to/the/script".
2022-04-25 19:03:06	Antiz	But, the idea on the AUR is to make it like "systemd wide", not "user wide". So like, scripts in /usr/bin, etc...
2022-04-25 19:03:33	thurstylark	isn't sourcing and running a script the same thing?
2022-04-25 19:04:07	Antiz	First question : I can't find an elegant way to source a script without an alias. And I don't think putting an alias system wide in like /etc/bash.bashrc is really elegant... Is their a known elegant way to do so ?
2022-04-25 19:04:24	Antiz	Second Question : will the AUR even accept a sourced bin/bash script ? 
2022-04-25 19:04:44	Edu4rdSHL	Antiz, that "collection of scripts" are for your personal use or it will help anyone?
2022-04-25 19:04:58	Scimmia	Antiz: how in the world did you get something you want to run but need to source? We're not talking about something for the shell init here, I asssume?
2022-04-25 19:05:26	Antiz	thurstylark: No, not exactly. Running a script normally creates a subshell dedicated to it. So any task executed are not executed in its parent shell (your shell). While sourcing does.
2022-04-25 19:05:52	Antiz	Edu4rdSHL: I guess so :)
2022-04-25 19:06:06	thurstylark	So, what does the script need access to that isn't accessible from a subshell?
2022-04-25 19:06:46	Antiz	Scimmia: It happend a things in the .bashrc of the user that execute it. This idea is that I can source the .bashrc itself for an immediate application of the changes. But it needs to be sourced for that, not regularely executed;
2022-04-25 19:07:24	Antiz	it can source the .bashrc itself*
2022-04-25 19:07:25	Scimmia	Antiz: so this is shell init stuff, nothing to do with aliases?
2022-04-25 19:07:48	Antiz	Scimmia: Nope, aliases indeed.
2022-04-25 19:07:56	Antiz	It is like a sort of "alias manager"
2022-04-25 19:07:57	Edu4rdSHL	Antiz, well, just create an .postinstall script with the message "You need to first source $whatever before it works"
2022-04-25 19:07:58	Scimmia	see, that makes no sense at all
2022-04-25 19:08:24	thurstylark	this seems like your script itself is an XY
2022-04-25 19:08:46	Antiz	an XY ?
2022-04-25 19:08:53	thurstylark	!xyproblem
2022-04-25 19:08:54	phrik	Tell us what you're REALLY trying to do. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
2022-04-25 19:09:04	Antiz	Ok
2022-04-25 19:09:08	thurstylark	things are more flexible than you're giving it credit for, and you're being pretty elusive about what these scripts actually do
2022-04-25 19:09:38	thurstylark	which says to me that you're more attached to *your way* of doing it, instead of finding a better way of doing the same thing
2022-04-25 19:10:04	Antiz	So this is a (collection of) script that, once launched, act as a sort of "alias manager". You can add, list, delete aliases, etc...
2022-04-25 19:10:35	Antiz	Basically it add or delete things in your .bashrc file (with checking for potential error, create or restore backups, etc...).
2022-04-25 19:10:42	Edu4rdSHL	> just create a .postinstall script with the message "You need to first source $whatever before it works"
2022-04-25 19:10:51	Scimmia	so you want to launch it with the shell init. No alias needed to start it
2022-04-25 19:10:57	thurstylark	^
2022-04-25 19:11:05	Antiz	But, in order for this to work completly, it has to be sourced each time you use it.
2022-04-25 19:11:13	Edu4rdSHL	Ouch
2022-04-25 19:11:18	Edu4rdSHL	Why?
2022-04-25 19:11:23	thurstylark	just source it in the shell init, then exec bash to reexec
2022-04-25 19:11:36	Scimmia	you source it with the shell init and leave it. That's how things like this work
2022-04-25 19:12:10	Scimmia	having to run another command to source it makes no sense
2022-04-25 19:12:59	Antiz	Edu4rdSHL: Because after adding things in your .bashrc, it sources it for you for an immediate application of the things it just added. If it does that in a subshell (not your shell/the parent shell) you'll need to either logout/login or source your .bashrc yourself manually.
2022-04-25 19:13:23	thurstylark	exec bash
2022-04-25 19:14:32	thurstylark	easiest way to re-run shell rc
2022-04-25 19:15:00	Antiz	Scimmia: The shell init ? You mean the "#!/bin/bash" at the beginning ? There's one that source the script ? Couldn't find one :/
2022-04-25 19:15:14	thurstylark	shell init refers to your bashrc
2022-04-25 19:15:36	thurstylark	#! is commonly called a shebang
2022-04-25 19:15:50	Antiz	Yup, that why I was confused.
2022-04-25 19:16:05	Antiz	But it cannot source it one time in my bashrc and leave it as it is.
2022-04-25 19:16:15	thurstylark	why
2022-04-25 19:16:30	Antiz	It is a one time execution script. You can launch it multiple times, like `ls` or whatever other command.
2022-04-25 19:17:11	thurstylark	but it configures the shell
2022-04-25 19:17:21	Scimmia	so it's not 'once launched, act...'
2022-04-25 19:17:38	Antiz	Well...
2022-04-25 19:18:15	Scimmia	this is all sounding like a design problem, honestly
2022-04-25 19:18:21	thurstylark	^
2022-04-25 19:18:27	Antiz	You launch it ---> It says : "Do you want to add, list, or delete an alias ?" --> You answer "add" --> It ask the alias you want to add --> you give it to it --> it add it to your .bashrc, source it for you and then say goodbye
2022-04-25 19:18:38	Antiz	That's a discuting summary but you get the idea.
2022-04-25 19:18:40	Scimmia	If you want a script that makes changes to your .bashrc, make a script that does that and exec bash, like thurstylark said
2022-04-25 19:19:29	thurstylark	this sounds like a text editor with more steps...
2022-04-25 19:19:37	thurstylark	but restricted to bash aliases
2022-04-25 19:19:51	Antiz	I'm sorry... I'm maybe not clear enough ^^
2022-04-25 19:20:17	Scimmia	Antiz: I think you're being clear, you're just stuck on doing it the hard way and can't break out of that thought process
2022-04-25 19:20:34	thurstylark	^ this is the essence of the XY problem
2022-04-25 19:21:02	Antiz	Oh god
2022-04-25 19:21:14	Scimmia	sourcing .bashrc again isn't a good idea in the first place
2022-04-25 19:21:18	Antiz	Thanks guys ^^
2022-04-25 19:21:41	Antiz	It was indeed an XY problem I guess. The exec bash things seems to work
2022-04-25 19:21:52	Antiz	Getting ride of the "source" issue
2022-04-25 19:22:06	Antiz	I havent though of that solution in the first place.
2022-04-25 19:24:25	Antiz	Alright, thanks a lot Scimmia, thurstylark and Edu4rdSHL. "exec bash" instead of struggling with sourcing the file is the way to go !
2022-04-25 19:24:34	thurstylark	\o/
2022-04-25 19:25:37	Antiz	And this is way more elegant anyway. I didn't wanted to put something in the AUR that needs an alias or a tricky way to execute properly. 
2022-04-25 19:25:58	Antiz	Thanks a lot, one more time ! Back to work then :D
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2022-04-25 20:24:12	srg	Hi. There's a package (from the community repo) that's out-of-date. It's been flagged already. Is there any place I can find more info on why it hasn't been updated yet? I don't see any open bug reports for it either, so I'm not sure where to look or who to contact
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2022-04-25 20:24:48	srg	The new version of the package was released in 2020....
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2022-04-25 20:27:48	Edu4rdSHL	srg, which package?
2022-04-25 20:28:18	srg	"aws-cli"
2022-04-25 20:28:31	srg	Version 2.x was released in 2020; the package is still on 1.x
2022-04-25 20:29:17	Edu4rdSHL	2.x are still dev releases, no stable ones
2022-04-25 20:29:29	Edu4rdSHL	According to https://github.com/aws/aws-cli/releases
2022-04-25 20:29:43	srg	Hmm, the AWS docs say "AWS CLI version 2, the latest major version of AWS CLI, is now stable and recommended for general use."
2022-04-25 20:30:15	artefact	you can find v2.x in the !aur
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2022-04-25 20:30:48	srg	https://docs.aws.amazon.com/cli/latest/userguide/getting-started-version.html  this also recommends uninstalling v1 and installing v2
2022-04-25 20:30:50	phrik	Title: Installing past releases of the AWS CLI version 2 - AWS Command Line InterfaceInstalling past releases of the AWS CLI version 2 - AWS Command Line Interface (at docs.aws.amazon.com)
2022-04-25 20:31:01	Edu4rdSHL	It seems that 2.x is stable but they can't make a proper release and instead have a release of 2.x marked as -dev...
2022-04-25 20:31:01	srg	Ok I can look in AUR for it
2022-04-25 20:31:12	srg	Edu4rdSHL: Ahhhh *facepalm*
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2022-04-25 20:31:55	Edu4rdSHL	Anyways, the package was Flagged out-of-date on 2022-04-06, give the maintainer a bit of more time, I guess :p
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2022-04-25 20:32:43	Edu4rdSHL	Or build it locally 
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2022-04-25 20:40:36	srg	Thanks!
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2022-04-25 20:50:34	hing	Hi :) I have a similar problem. The package "mutagen.io-bin" was flagged out-of-date 2020-11-12. If it's possible, i would help to keep the package up to date.
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2022-04-25 20:54:31	The-Compiler	hing: I'd mail the current maintainer asking whether they'd add you as a comaintainer (or update the package themselves), and if you still don't get a reaction after a few days, open an orphan request so you can take over the package: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR_submission_guidelines#Requests
2022-04-25 20:54:32	phrik	Title: AUR submission guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-25 20:55:29	hing	Ahh... thnks :)
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2022-04-25 21:24:53	ℹ 	Hello_Wo1ld es conocido ahora como Hello_World
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2022-04-25 21:37:04	eiche_home	Hello, I want to setup arch with KDE on Wayland
2022-04-25 21:37:50	Edu4rdSHL	Congrats
2022-04-25 21:37:57	eiche_home	Would you pleas point me at some resources which packets are needet to make it working?
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2022-04-25 21:38:09	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE#Installation
2022-04-25 21:38:09	Edu4rdSHL	!give eiche_home aw Plasma
2022-04-25 21:38:10	phrik	Title: KDE - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-25 21:38:11	phrik	eiche_home: Plasma - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Plasma
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2022-04-25 21:38:29	ℹ 	rcf es conocido ahora como rnpan
2022-04-25 21:38:33	thurstylark	heh two paths to the same article :P
2022-04-25 21:38:38	Edu4rdSHL	:P
2022-04-25 21:40:51	eiche_home	I tried this and somehow my pointer showed somewhere else than it actually is (FYI: I'm testing this in a Libvirt-VM)
2022-04-25 21:41:18	eiche_home	Is this a known problem?
2022-04-25 21:41:36	Gagis	kde and wayland should work just fine
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2022-04-25 21:41:40	Gagis	maybe even with nvidia by now
2022-04-25 21:41:43	thurstylark	What does that mean? your click events aren't landing where the cursor image is?
2022-04-25 21:41:52	eiche_home	Yes
2022-04-25 21:42:06	eiche_home	I'm on amd
2022-04-25 21:42:56	thurstylark	hrm... that shouldn't be an issue, but I admittedly don't have direct experience with that setup...
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2022-04-25 21:43:25	ℹ 	rnpan es conocido ahora como rf
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2022-04-25 21:44:33	eiche_home	my whole setup is somewhat special: Displaymanager ly, Systemd-resolved,systemd-networkd and iwd for wifi.
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2022-04-25 21:45:06	thurstylark	I assume that's the host's setup?
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2022-04-25 21:45:34	thurstylark	(as opposed to the guest's setup)
2022-04-25 21:46:05	eiche_home	oh, and I forgot systemd-boot and BTRFS. Thats the setup I try to install in the VM.
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2022-04-25 21:46:27	eiche_home	my host for now is Fedora
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2022-04-25 21:47:24	thurstylark	Yeah, not that weird, except for installing wifi stuff in a guest, but whatever :P
2022-04-25 21:47:46	thurstylark	do you have the same issue in any other wayland-based DE?
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2022-04-25 21:48:10	thurstylark	sway would be an easy one to install and test
2022-04-25 21:48:31	eiche_home	it's a script that I want to use later on my host. In the WM, it doesn't use the wifi.
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2022-04-26 20:25:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-04-26 20:25:07	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1500 apodos (3 ops, 0 voces, 1497 normals)
2022-04-26 18:06:07	fatalis	terrible but it works: sudo ss -O -a --unix -p | grep X11-unix | cut -d " " -f 81 | sort -u | while read -r id; do sudo ss -p | grep -o "$id     user.*fd="; done
2022-04-26 18:11:34	Edu4rdSHL	fatalis, what was the problem?
2022-04-26 18:22:34	ianliu	From time to time my laptop's IPv4 seems to disappear (ipv6 is still there, though). Here is part of NetworkManager logs: https://termbin.com/polx . From the logs, I can see a bunch of "dhcp4: selecting lease failed" messages for both my wifi and eth cards, which is fixed by deactivating and reativating the NM connection. Why would this happen? Any hints?
2022-04-26 18:32:44	grawity	maybe your card gets stuck in a state where it can receive but not send (or the opposite for your access point)
2022-04-26 18:34:34	grawity	ah wait, that log sounds more like a client side error
2022-04-26 18:35:02	sorta	wow calibre is awesome
2022-04-26 18:35:15	sorta	thank for letting me know it can run as a server
2022-04-26 19:03:39	segurb	hey everyone, new build 12600K with RTX360Ti miniITX with Corsair SF600 PSU, getting random screen freezes, where GPU goes crazy and spins, or simply signal lost in the middle of workflow ... not doing anything heavy on it or etc, not sure how or what to test, ocasiaonally it simply shuts down completely as well (might be PSU ?)
2022-04-26 19:05:10	Namarrgon	try it without the dedicated gpu
2022-04-26 19:10:26	segurb	Namarrgon: a tricky question, I have custom razr cable, its minitx, all custom ... its terribly difficult and risky to take the gpu out, can I have it plugged into the socket, just take its power out?
2022-04-26 19:10:35	segurb	because I cant switch the GPU in UEFI, no option for it
2022-04-26 19:10:43	segurb	or is there purely software solution from within arch?
2022-04-26 19:11:16	Namarrgon	pretty sure you can switch to the igpu in the firmware
2022-04-26 19:11:34	@jelle	segurb: anything in logs?
2022-04-26 19:11:41	segurb	what about just rebooting and taking out the power from gpu?
2022-04-26 19:11:46	segurb	jelle: journalCTL ?
2022-04-26 19:11:49	segurb	what logs
2022-04-26 19:11:56	@jelle	segurb: yes journalctl
2022-04-26 19:12:38	segurb	well I cant see much, but feel free to take a peak: http://ix.io/3WjI
2022-04-26 19:13:35	@jelle	jetbrains, chromium coredumps
2022-04-26 19:14:04	@jelle	segurb: you need to find logs from earlier boots and search for errors
2022-04-26 19:15:51	nicholaus04	Howdy arch folks!
2022-04-26 19:16:41	@jelle	segurb: but sure just pulling the power should be enough ofcourse
2022-04-26 19:17:38	Edu4rdSHL	segurb, do you have xf86-video-intel installed?
2022-04-26 19:19:50	Edu4rdSHL	CREATE INDEX idx_gin ON subdomains_fdplus USING gin(name gin_trgm_ops);
2022-04-26 19:19:54	Edu4rdSHL	Oops
2022-04-26 19:20:46	demize	Postgres over IRC is a new one.  ;)
2022-04-26 19:22:01	CubeTheThird	!give nicholaus04 welcome
2022-04-26 19:22:02	phrik	nicholaus04: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-04-26 19:28:48	artefact	drop schema public cascade;
2022-04-26 19:30:18	Arenlor	Okay, that one is more terrifying than Bobby.
2022-04-26 19:42:34	DeepDayze	Whoops wrong window Edu4rdSHL :)
2022-04-26 19:43:13	DeepDayze	Now how many tabs you got open on IRC? :D
2022-04-26 19:44:02	DeepDayze	I get so many open on FF...
2022-04-26 19:55:46	Edu4rdSHL	Eeeh
2022-04-26 19:56:05	Edu4rdSHL	It was most a fail changing between windows :p
2022-04-26 19:57:04	DeepDayze	Lol brain farts happen :)
2022-04-26 20:00:42	Arenlor	Would this be the appropriate channel to ask for libre game recommendations, preferably text-based?
2022-04-26 20:02:00	smlavine	Brogue
2022-04-26 20:03:20	charlie5	Arenlor: oolite is good, tho graphical
2022-04-26 20:03:42	cc0a3hr	how can I change my default terminal? I installed alacritty
2022-04-26 20:03:57	Khorne	Depends
2022-04-26 20:04:38	cc0a3hr	I changed on i3 config file anyways
2022-04-26 20:04:45	Khorne	That would be one of the ways
2022-04-26 20:06:47	Arenlor	Thank you for the game recoommendations.
2022-04-26 20:07:31	agsd	besides st, what are other minimal terminals that are nice
2022-04-26 20:10:18	cc0a3hr	alacritty fine
2022-04-26 20:10:59	Edu4rdSHL	!suckless
2022-04-26 20:11:00	phrik	worse is better^H^H^H^H^H^Hworse
2022-04-26 20:11:03	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-04-26 20:11:29	slimbo	lol
2022-04-26 20:25:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-26 20:38:40	noraj	Isn't there a signing issue with libinih?
2022-04-26 20:39:20	Edu4rdSHL	No
2022-04-26 20:39:30	MrElendig	noraj: pacman -Q archlinux-keyring
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2022-04-26 20:40:55	Scimmia	I kind of wish pacman hadn't removed SyncFirst
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2022-04-26 20:42:36	noraj	pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
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2022-04-26 20:44:10	noraj	Scimmia: yes would have been nice to have the keyring sync first
2022-04-26 20:44:39	Scimmia	I get that it was generally misused, but this would have been an acutal, useful case for it
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2022-04-26 20:47:07	noraj	still https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/libinih/ displays Maxime Gauduin key as unknown
2022-04-26 20:47:09	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - libinih 55-2 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-04-26 20:47:30	MrElendig	what did -Q say?
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2022-04-26 20:47:44	MrElendig	and what version of libinih are you trying to install?
2022-04-26 20:47:52	Scimmia	noraj: unknown...what?
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2022-04-26 20:48:07	Scimmia	key or trust?
2022-04-26 20:48:25	Scimmia	if the key is unknown, it should download it
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2022-04-26 20:49:00	noraj	MrElendig: it's all good for my, just that my keyring was 2 days old, but I thought that -Syu was updating keyring first but no
2022-04-26 20:49:24	omnipotent	Happened to me too, that was annoying :(
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2022-04-26 20:49:31	Scimmia	oh, the site shows it as unknown
2022-04-26 20:49:46	noraj	Scimmia: the website shows Signed By: 	Unknown (0x81506130), I don't know how I should interprete that
2022-04-26 20:49:59	Scimmia	it just means the keyring on the server wasn't updated
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2022-04-26 20:52:33	Edu4rdSHL	Anyways, there aren't problems with the package, I just updated all my machines without any problem
2022-04-26 20:52:46	noraj	yes
2022-04-26 20:53:13	noraj	just that pacman try to install a package with a new sig before updating the keyring
2022-04-26 20:53:27	noraj	the irony is that https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Upgrade_system_regularly advice you to update regularly but yet you can update your system once a day and still run into the issue, here libinih was updated 1h ago
2022-04-26 20:53:28	phrik	Title: pacman/Package signing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-26 20:53:57	noraj	could happen vene if you -Syu once an hour
2022-04-26 20:54:04	Edu4rdSHL	Nah
2022-04-26 20:54:12	Edu4rdSHL	archlinux-keyring was updated 2 days ago
2022-04-26 20:54:24	Edu4rdSHL	And that update includes the new keys
2022-04-26 20:54:35	Edu4rdSHL	libinih was updated 1 hour ago
2022-04-26 20:55:08	noraj	yup, exceptionally didnt used my system for two days, last update form 3 days ago
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2022-04-26 20:55:58	Edu4rdSHL	Well, that is not updating once an hour :p
2022-04-26 20:56:07	noraj	but nothing prevent for a package like that being updated a few hours after the keyring
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2022-04-26 21:37:50	FatAlbert	hi
2022-04-26 21:38:05	FatAlbert	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Visual_Studio_Code#Installation
2022-04-26 21:38:07	phrik	Title: Visual Studio Code - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-26 21:38:21	FatAlbert	what's the difference between the insiders version and the official binary release ? 
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2022-04-26 21:50:45	Khorne	insiders is the release preview
2022-04-26 21:51:04	Khorne	totes bleeding edge, definitely recommend
2022-04-26 21:52:49	Edu4rdSHL	I wonder why people doesn't ask to Google "visual studio code insiders vs stable" instead of joining here to ask
2022-04-26 21:53:19	noraj	maybe the question was the diff between FLOSS version and MS one?
2022-04-26 21:53:47	Khorne	In the segment they linked there is only one insider version, also a bin one
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2022-04-26 21:54:13	Molly_Lucy	cause Google cannot reply as good as elitists Archlinux users Edu4rdSHL 
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2022-04-26 21:54:56	Khorne	Facts
2022-04-26 21:55:03	Molly_Lucy	=D
2022-04-26 21:55:17	Edu4rdSHL	Molly_Lucy, long life to these elitists 
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2022-04-26 21:57:57	DeepDayze	LOL
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2022-04-26 21:58:12	ArrowSteel	lol
2022-04-26 21:59:16	artefact	!assss
2022-04-26 21:59:16	phrik	Most problems can be created by installing Arch
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2022-04-26 21:59:51	DeepDayze	all that plagues other distros are healed by Arch :)
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2022-04-27 14:11:14	aminvakil	Namarrgon: archlinux-keyring 20220424-1 (https://github.com/aminvakil/aur/runs/6193145101?check_suite_focus=true#step:8:7)
2022-04-27 14:14:02	Scimmia	aminvakil: then you're running into a problem creating the image. You probably have the keyring of whatever system you created the image from because archlinux-keyring is installed before pacman-key is available
2022-04-27 14:23:20	bony	!paste
2022-04-27 14:23:21	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-04-27 14:25:32	Namarrgon	aminvakil: foutrelis built and signed 1.0.3-4 anyway, something is funky with your CI
2022-04-27 14:26:19	bony	Hello, I am trying to upgrade postgersql from 13 to 14 when I give this command "pg_upgrade" I get this error https://bpa.st/X2BQ. I tried to fine out where there bin files where but could not fine the bin files from postgresql.
2022-04-27 14:26:44	Scimmia	Namarrgon: the issue is libinih 55-2, I don't know what 1.0.3-4 is.
2022-04-27 14:26:55	Namarrgon	oh
2022-04-27 14:27:11	nullst8	is something wrong with the servers, i can't seem to update my system. keep getting error: No route to Host
2022-04-27 14:27:25	Edu4rdSHL	It's a problem with your network
2022-04-27 14:27:31	nullst8	no
2022-04-27 14:27:36	Edu4rdSHL	Yes
2022-04-27 14:27:45	nullst8	how so?
2022-04-27 14:27:50	Namarrgon	ok, forget what i said about libnih
2022-04-27 14:27:55	nullst8	i am able to use irc too
2022-04-27 14:28:05	Edu4rdSHL	nullst8, read the ArchWiki, in summary, you need to install postgresql-old-upgrade
2022-04-27 14:28:13	Edu4rdSHL	bony, I mean
2022-04-27 14:28:19	bony	oh ok
2022-04-27 14:28:45	bony	I went through the wiki and thought postgresql-old-upgrade is not needed. I will try that first and get back.
2022-04-27 14:28:51	Edu4rdSHL	nullst8, paste the whole output of `pacman -Syu`
2022-04-27 14:29:02	bony	Edu4rdSHL, thank you!
2022-04-27 14:30:06	Edu4rdSHL	bony, the wiki says "For those wishing to use pg_upgrade, a postgresql-old-upgrade package is available that will always run one major version behind the real PostgreSQL package. This can be installed side-by-side with the new version of PostgreSQL."
2022-04-27 14:30:39	nullst8	Edu4rdSHL: http://0x0.st/oTDo.png
2022-04-27 14:30:41	bony	Got it Just now re-read that line.
2022-04-27 14:30:55	bony	Edu4rdSHL, thank for pointing it again.
2022-04-27 14:30:58	nullst8	i installed postgres-old-upgrade, still doesnt work
2022-04-27 14:31:10	Edu4rdSHL	nullst8, that was not for you :p
2022-04-27 14:31:20	nullst8	:(
2022-04-27 14:32:55	Edu4rdSHL	nullst8, aaaah well, the operation was sucessful, the messages you got is because these specific servers are having problems on your location (looks like it's *.pkgbuild.com) so pacman simply prints what happened
2022-04-27 14:33:14	Edu4rdSHL	Just comment out these mirrors in your mirrorlist
2022-04-27 14:33:23	Edu4rdSHL	s/out//
2022-04-27 14:33:38	Edu4rdSHL	But in summary, your systemn was updated
2022-04-27 14:33:53	nullst8	yeah i know it was updated
2022-04-27 14:47:26	bony	Edu4rdSHL, it worked. Thanks.
2022-04-27 15:13:57	thrice	also hit libnih sig failure today.  I want to throw the whole keyring stuff in the trash, at times
2022-04-27 15:13:59	thrice	it's so fragile
2022-04-27 15:14:23	jelle	the problem is that archlinux-keyring is not SyncFirst :)
2022-04-27 15:14:34	damjan	--ignore libinih, then re -Syu
2022-04-27 15:14:47	thrice	if the keyring package requires updates every couple of days, it's not a good sign
2022-04-27 15:14:47	Edu4rdSHL	Eeeh
2022-04-27 15:15:19	Edu4rdSHL	Why a partial upgrade of libinih when you can partial-upgrade archlinux-keyring that doesn't impacts directly the system libs?
2022-04-27 15:15:27	thrice	jelle: no, I was on 20220224
2022-04-27 15:15:43	Edu4rdSHL	thrice, then it's a different issue
2022-04-27 15:15:47	jelle	thrice: then everything should be fine? :o
2022-04-27 15:15:58	Edu4rdSHL	I have updated ~10 AL machines here without any problem
2022-04-27 15:16:15	thrice	dunno, I had to reinstall it
2022-04-27 15:16:21	Edu4rdSHL	o.O
2022-04-27 15:16:40	thrice	the system stinks, I can't believe anyone would defend it :D
2022-04-27 15:17:13	Scimmia	thrice: brand new install?
2022-04-27 15:17:32	thrice	Yes, I was installing a new machine today
2022-04-27 15:17:49	⚡ 	jelle confused
2022-04-27 15:17:56	Scimmia	so you're hitting the same thing that aminvakil did
2022-04-27 15:17:57	thrice	so keyring was up-to-date already, but it failed during my post chroot package installs
2022-04-27 15:18:18	Scimmia	right, that's a known issue. The installation order installs it before pacman, so there's no pacman-key
2022-04-27 15:18:33	thrice	oooh, I see
2022-04-27 15:19:58	Scimmia	we'll see this over and over until next month when a new ISO fixes is
2022-04-27 15:20:18	Scimmia	well, not really fix, but makes it moot
2022-04-27 15:21:01	Edu4rdSHL	Aah, a new installation. Small detail that you didn't mentioned, thrice.
2022-04-27 15:23:44	thrice	sorry Edu4rdSHL, I've let you down
2022-04-27 15:24:40	thrice	I didn't realize that about the keyring, though, I thought as long as it was up to date, you got a "frozen-in-time, all things are OK"
2022-04-27 15:27:14	Edu4rdSHL	That's how it should be, yes, libinih is a special case :p. It have problems when you: 1) Haven't updated since ~4 days and the system needs to update archlinux-keyring and libinih 2) New installations
2022-04-27 15:27:48	Edu4rdSHL	Scimmia, jelle, how hard would it be to reintroduce SyncFirst to pacman actually?
2022-04-27 15:27:56	jelle	no idea
2022-04-27 15:28:21	thrice	well, I stand behind the system being a bit fragile
2022-04-27 15:28:46	jelle	I agree it sucks
2022-04-27 15:29:33	@Foxboron	Edu4rdSHL: Very hard. It only works for simple package cases and isn't by any means a general option. IIRC nobody implemented proper resolution
2022-04-27 15:29:49	Scimmia	Edu4rdSHL: I think the hardest part would be convincing allan. I know Manjaro patched it back in for a long time, don't know if they still do
2022-04-27 15:30:01	@Foxboron	i.e what should happen if you do "SyncFirst = @world"?
2022-04-27 15:30:07	@Foxboron	Scimmia: they still do
2022-04-27 15:30:23	ponies	error: libinih: signature from "Maxime Gauduin <alucryd@gmail.com>" is unknown trust
2022-04-27 15:30:35	Edu4rdSHL	ponies, new install or update?
2022-04-27 15:30:35	@Foxboron	If we introduce "SyncKeyring" then it might work. But then we are introducing Arch specific keyring issues into pacman
2022-04-27 15:31:03	ponies	update.. do i have to --recv-keys
2022-04-27 15:31:04	Scimmia	that also doesn't fix the new installation issue, but that can be fixed by changing deps
2022-04-27 15:31:14	Scimmia	ponies: update archlinux-keyring first
2022-04-27 15:31:17	Edu4rdSHL	^
2022-04-27 15:31:53	aminvakil	Scimmia: why is this happening on this single package?
2022-04-27 15:32:30	@Foxboron	aminvakil: It's the key, not the package. You just happen to install it
2022-04-27 15:32:33	Scimmia	aminvakil: because it uses a key that your keyring doens't fully trust because it's out of date
2022-04-27 15:32:44	Edu4rdSHL	Foxboron, well, what about a SyncKeyring option that receive arguments, like: SyncKeyring = archlinux foo bar, and then it syncs {archlinux,foo,bar}-keyring ?
2022-04-27 15:32:46	ponies	ah! yes updating archlinux-keyring worked
2022-04-27 15:33:00	ponies	i answered 'u' instead of 'y' idk if that made a difference
2022-04-27 15:33:17	@Foxboron	Edu4rdSHL: Describe why that feature is needed without mentioning the keyring situation Arch has.
2022-04-27 15:33:23	Edu4rdSHL	Eeeh
2022-04-27 15:34:08	@Foxboron	You are looking at one of the idiosyncrasies of Arch :p
2022-04-27 15:34:15	@Foxboron	Hard to give that a general solution
2022-04-27 15:34:54	Edu4rdSHL	Well, I will stick with the current state then :p, keyring problems aren't more than a bit of noise to me since that I know almost all the workarounds, plus I update frequently and rarely hit them
2022-04-27 15:35:27	@Foxboron	They are annoying when you encounter them. It shouldn't be needed. However this is what you end up with when you have personally exposed keys as packager keys
2022-04-27 15:35:44	@Foxboron	the proper solution would be to have a central signing key. And the internal WOT should be for package uploads
2022-04-27 15:38:48	thrice	wasn't this a proposal at some point?
2022-04-27 15:38:58	thrice	via rfc
2022-04-27 15:39:48	@Foxboron	thrice: Not an RFC, but email on a-d-p
2022-04-27 15:39:51	@Foxboron	I think?
2022-04-27 15:40:05	@Foxboron	But the issue here is the practical implementation really
2022-04-27 15:40:24	ponies	is it wrong to run a systemd service as root? 
2022-04-27 15:40:35	ponies	its node behind a proxy 
2022-04-27 15:41:04	jelle	ponies: node as in nodejs?
2022-04-27 15:41:13	ponies	ya 
2022-04-27 15:41:16	ponies	express server 
2022-04-27 15:41:42	jelle	it is obviously not recommended to runs things as root when it's not required
2022-04-27 15:41:52	ponies	its only because i ssh in as root 
2022-04-27 15:42:08	ponies	i *could* move the folder :\
2022-04-27 15:42:34	jelle	ponies: ok, however this is your responsibility
2022-04-27 15:42:47	ponies	sure i accept that
2022-04-27 15:43:26	jelle	as long as you accept you might be pwnd that's fine :)
2022-04-27 15:43:33	ponies	you can only get in with an ssh key. im pretty sure there is no way in except if they attack my webhost
2022-04-27 15:46:08	another|	>"no way in [...] except"
2022-04-27 15:47:52	aminvakil	Namarrgon: not related to my CI, `docker run --rm -it archlinux pacman -Syu libinih --noconfirm` is failing too
2022-04-27 15:48:38	Scimmia	aminvakil: they misread the package name. We've already identified your issue
2022-04-27 15:49:04	aminvakil	right i was just making sure
2022-04-27 15:49:17	aminvakil	Namarrgon Scimmia Foxboron: Thanks!
2022-04-27 15:53:21	ponies	speaking of security, how many rememberable passwords do you guys have? I do use a keychain, ofc, but some accounts... the same passwrod 
2022-04-27 15:54:17	lmat	My wife just got an e-mail from "me" (my name, but a different e-mail address) with a spam link in it. Spam is one thing, but in this case, they know that we have some sort of relationship. Does this mean her account is compromised or mine? Or perhaps neither and someone working at e.g. a credit card company stole some data?
2022-04-27 15:54:41	Edu4rdSHL	ponies, that's what password managers are for
2022-04-27 15:54:50	jelle	lmat: ponies guys this is not ##security
2022-04-27 15:54:55	ponies	yeah but its secured with that password Edu4rdSHL 
2022-04-27 15:55:07	Edu4rdSHL	And, what jelle said
2022-04-27 15:59:54	ponies	i just change the password lmao 
2022-04-27 16:00:22	Furai	Lol, I've opened a folder using visual studio code (right click, run with other application) and now by default all folders open like that.
2022-04-27 16:00:38	river	oof
2022-04-27 16:00:48	dTal	file associations always break for me eventually on linux
2022-04-27 16:01:05	another|	check your DE settings
2022-04-27 16:01:18	Furai	I wonder why it does it like this. Why it forces for me a default when I just choose launch with other application
2022-04-27 16:01:20	thrice	maybe it's a MS conspiracy
2022-04-27 16:01:20	dTal	there must be something systemically wrong with the system
2022-04-27 16:01:55	Furai	To fix it I just had to open the folder with files app.
2022-04-27 16:02:05	dTal	got some real wtf associations over the years, like links opening in wine's internet explorer
2022-04-27 16:02:10	Furai	but again, there is no way to choose default app for folders
2022-04-27 16:02:17	Edu4rdSHL	Furai, which DE?
2022-04-27 16:02:20	Furai	Gnome
2022-04-27 16:02:54	Furai	Is there some dconf/gconf or whatever that I could edit to permanently set some associations?
2022-04-27 16:03:25	Edu4rdSHL	You should be able to change it through the glorious xdg-mime
2022-04-27 16:03:45	Furai	ok, I'll read about it, thansk
2022-04-27 16:03:52	Edu4rdSHL	Check your ~/.config/mimeapps.list
2022-04-27 16:03:54	Edu4rdSHL	inode/directory=
2022-04-27 16:04:16	another|	Furai: there is on Plasma
2022-04-27 16:04:18	Edu4rdSHL	inode/directory=org.gnome.Nautilus.desktop that should work
2022-04-27 16:04:59	Furai	https://file.furai.pl/2022-04-27-16-04-51.txt
2022-04-27 16:05:23	Furai	Hmm, ok, will check that files.
2022-04-27 16:07:24	Furai	Ok, seems to have worked and now it doesn't change back to some weird behaviour, thanks!
2022-04-27 16:08:06	Edu4rdSHL	!next
2022-04-27 16:08:07	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-04-27 16:31:21	pulec	I'm trying of couple of unreliable HDDs via usb dock and one drive shut itself of while scanning with badblocks, that's fine
2022-04-27 16:31:42	pulec	but now the /dev/sde is still stuck with it's detected size 2.7T and I connect other drive and it's still stuck on the old one
2022-04-27 16:31:50	pulec	oh wait I didn't tried repluging usb...
2022-04-27 16:32:32	pulec	nah, that didn't help there still /dev/sde
2022-04-27 16:32:41	pulec	how do I force 'reload' without rebooting?
2022-04-27 16:32:58	pulec	I read through 'man udevadm'
2022-04-27 16:33:20	pulec	tried #udevadm control -R
2022-04-27 16:33:32	Scimmia	partprobe may do it
2022-04-27 16:33:34	damjan	you can probably remove the driver for the usb disk
2022-04-27 16:33:47	damjan	if it's not in some real bad state
2022-04-27 16:34:05	damjan	I bet `dmesg` is filled with errors
2022-04-27 16:34:30	pulec	ah there we go
2022-04-27 16:34:45	pulec	hub 1-4:1.0: hub_ext_port_status failed (err = -110)
2022-04-27 16:34:53	pulec	the usb3 hub totally got bamboozled with it
2022-04-27 16:35:07	pulec	I also had usb3 hdmi recorder there, that probably confused it
2022-04-27 16:35:30	pulec	I used direct usb3 to mobo, all is fine
2022-04-27 16:59:16	tatsumaru	hey guys, I like to use LibreOffice draw for making flowcharts, but the default settings aren't very ux friendly for that. For example the flowchart elements need to be selected each time using a drop down menu, there are no grid lines, the orientation of the page is suboptimal etc. Is there some sort of settings template that I can somehow re-use when I am doing flowcharts specifically?
2022-04-27 16:59:54	heat	#archlinux probably isn't the best place to ask about libreoffice tips
2022-04-27 17:00:08	tatsumaru	I am assuming a lot of people here use libreoffice
2022-04-27 17:00:24	phonemic	do we know yet if the Ryzen 6000HS series processors work on linux?
2022-04-27 17:01:10	jelle	why not?
2022-04-27 17:01:52	Edu4rdSHL	tatsumaru, #libreoffice
2022-04-27 17:02:32	phonemic	jelle: i just assume they may have issues since they are so new
2022-04-27 17:02:40	Hello72	i think Ryzen 6000HS will work on dos, assuming the vendor included csm
2022-04-27 17:02:43	MrElendig	phonemic: can you even get the hardware?
2022-04-27 17:03:04	phonemic	MrElendig: yeah, where I am there are Zephyrus G14s in stores
2022-04-27 17:03:20	MrElendig	mostly been a paper launch so far
2022-04-27 17:04:00	phonemic	jelle: I don't want to buy a laptop *assuming* the linux support is there
2022-04-27 17:04:06	MrElendig	the gpu drivers are still buggy, cpu bit should work
2022-04-27 17:05:56	phonemic	MrElendig: is installing the linux and amd-ucode packages sufficient for integrated graphics support?
2022-04-27 17:08:39	phonemic	or do you have to install AMDGPU? I've only ever used intel integrated graphics
2022-04-27 17:08:52	MrElendig	modesetting works
2022-04-27 17:09:06	MrElendig	its what will be used if you use wayland anyway too :p
2022-04-27 17:32:14	Rick456	Hi, I am setting up pi-hole and unbound for local dns queries.  I'd like to forward queries securely, like dnssec or dnscrypt.  what's a good way?
2022-04-27 17:32:32	Rick456	dns over tls, etc?
2022-04-27 17:33:56	Rick456	planning on using something like opennic for upstream queries
2022-04-27 17:36:23	Edu4rdSHL	Rick456, ##security
2022-04-27 17:36:37	grawity	for one, what kind of security do you want
2022-04-27 17:37:02	grawity	dnssec vs dnscrypt/dns-over-tls achieve *very* different things
2022-04-27 17:37:09	Rick456	i don't need much.  mainly avoid ip+query in the clear
2022-04-27 17:37:38	grawity	between you and the upstream server? either dns-over-tls, over-https, or dnscrypt will do that
2022-04-27 17:38:15	Rick456	ok, thanks, that answers my question
2022-04-27 17:38:16	grawity	you need to actually have an upstream server though, and not let Unbound do its own recursion directly to authoritative servers (none of which do encryption)
2022-04-27 17:38:38	grawity	so e.g. forward queries to a known public DoT server, or one that you host elsewhere
2022-04-27 17:38:58	grawity	meanwhile dnssec does nothing of that sort; it's a digital signature protocol
2022-04-27 17:42:02	Rick456	ok, thanks, very helpful
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2022-04-27 18:21:55	jirido	I have installed an app with yay a while ago and forgot it's name, it is among the latest 10. can i use pacman to list explicidly installed apps with yay in time order ?
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2022-04-27 18:22:13	Edu4rdSHL	jirido, it's from the AUR?
2022-04-27 18:22:18	jirido	yes
2022-04-27 18:22:21	Edu4rdSHL	pacman -Qm
2022-04-27 18:22:28	jirido	thanks
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2022-04-27 18:24:05	jirido	That is in alphapetic order, is there a swich for time of installation order?
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2022-04-27 18:24:52	Edu4rdSHL	Alphabetic order
2022-04-27 18:24:55	Scimmia	jirido: that's just a list of packages not in any repo
2022-04-27 18:25:06	Scimmia	it sounds like you're looking for paclog from pacman-contrib
2022-04-27 18:25:08	damjan	jirido: pacman.log
2022-04-27 18:25:17	jirido	ok, right
2022-04-27 18:25:17	damjan	 /var/log/pacman.log
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2022-04-27 18:26:37	Scimmia	or pacutils, not pacman-contrib
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2022-04-27 18:27:15	ville	installing postfix on a fresh arch install and it doesn't appear to create /var/spool/postfix/public/pickup fifo for some reason. which i seem is necessary for it to function properly?
2022-04-27 18:27:52	ville	...seem to recall
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2022-04-27 18:29:45	Edu4rdSHL	ville, what are the steps to reproduce it?
2022-04-27 18:29:50	tirnanog	ville: it is not the package manager's responsibility to do so.
2022-04-27 18:30:06	damjan	srw-rw-rw- 1 postfix postfix 0 Apr 27 18:29 /var/spool/postfix/public/pickup
2022-04-27 18:30:20	damjan	just installed and started it
2022-04-27 18:31:05	tirnanog	the package manager should create /var/spool/postfix. what postfix does with it is, thereafter, none of its business.
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2022-04-27 18:31:16	tirnanog	is none*
2022-04-27 18:31:26	Hello72	or, like, shell history
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2022-04-27 18:32:08	ville	just installed it, haven't hit the start button yet. i had some notes i scribbled down from doing an install some years back that at least then needed to mkfifo it my self in the end
2022-04-27 18:32:27	Edu4rdSHL	ville, then how do you know that it doesn't work properly...
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2022-04-27 18:33:10	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL wish machinectl had a -x/--ephemeral flag
2022-04-27 18:33:40	ville	ok looks like this time around it does indeed get created. maybe it was buggy few years back then
2022-04-27 18:34:29	ville	nevermind
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2022-04-27 18:34:58	jirido	paclog --pkglist --action=installed seams to list all installed and not in latest order if it dont count also latest updated of the installed..or..
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2022-04-27 18:35:22	Edu4rdSHL	jirido, check the pacman.log file, that's it
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2022-04-27 18:36:13	jirido	/var/log/pacman.log also has all updated there among.. How would you sugest I filter it?
2022-04-27 18:36:37	jirido	I have uptated surely 3-4-5times since
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2022-04-27 18:37:29	Edu4rdSHL	`paclog --grep paru` should work
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2022-04-27 18:37:35	Edu4rdSHL	yay *
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2022-04-27 18:37:57	Edu4rdSHL	Nvm
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2022-04-27 18:38:09	jirido	Iok sweet
2022-04-27 18:38:17	Edu4rdSHL	Check your bash history :p
2022-04-27 18:40:20	Edu4rdSHL	And, if it's from AUR it should be in the pacman -Qm output, if even seeing the name there you don't remember it... 
2022-04-27 18:40:20	Scimmia	jirido: the paclog output is in order. 
2022-04-27 18:40:20	Edu4rdSHL	And paclog also has the --after/--before flags
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2022-04-27 18:44:56	Scimmia	jirido: your issue is using --pkglist. That's not what you want
2022-04-27 18:45:07	Scimmia	and 'installed' isn't a filter option
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2022-04-27 19:27:06	ugga-the-caveman	Ahoi! I want to output the current load of my cpu. So i googled a bit and found iostat package. mpstat -P ALL does produce the output that i want, but the shown load is very low, even if i create some load (with stress)  Does mpstat shows the average output since last boot or something ?? i need current load, how do i get that ?
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2022-04-27 19:30:09	fl4co	Hello, I followed the steps on https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface/Secure_Boot#shim_with_key and I have a working setup. Now I copied the pacman hook but I don't know where I should store the key and certificates as I have trouble reading the script
2022-04-27 19:30:10	phrik	Title: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface/Secure Boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-04-27 19:35:18	pulec	anyone runs badblocks often?
2022-04-27 19:35:31	mefistofeles	!give pulec anyone
2022-04-27 19:35:31	phrik	pulec: Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
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2022-04-27 19:35:56	pulec	ye ye I was getting to it!
2022-04-27 19:36:01	pulec	it's always like this
2022-04-27 19:36:03	pulec	AAAAAAAAAA
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2022-04-27 19:36:08	pulec	ok, so question:
2022-04-27 19:36:32	pulec	badblocks is often used with parameters which blocks to scan right? 120gb took 45 minutes for me
2022-04-27 19:36:36	pulec	now I am doing 2tb drive...
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2022-04-27 19:37:06	pulec	that could be ~14 hours
2022-04-27 19:37:22	ugga-the-caveman	then you have a nice system
2022-04-27 19:37:33	ugga-the-caveman	i take about a day for 500gb
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2022-04-27 19:37:48	pulec	I guess I can just use the percentage of total sectors and start e.g. from 30% up
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2022-04-27 19:38:00	pulec	ugga-the-caveman: well that 120gb drive was very healthy
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2022-04-27 19:38:21	pulec	this 2tb drive has 10 bad blocks in first 7%
2022-04-27 19:38:44	pulec	but reading and skipping badb locks does not mean it will take longer
2022-04-27 19:38:52	pulec	it's also over usb 3 thingy where you slide drive in
2022-04-27 19:39:07	pulec	anyways final question
2022-04-27 19:39:26	pulec	knowing that drive has badblocks, can I create a partition that would mark these and just ignore them?
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2022-04-27 19:56:04	DeepDayze	you should consider using a new drive as those bad blocks can increase rapidly over time. How old is this drive?
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2022-04-27 19:56:38	ishan	why on earth does wine keep changing .txt handler.. stupid thing keeps rewriting it to use notepad when I am perfectly happy with gedit 
2022-04-27 19:56:59	DeepDayze	it thinks its Windows :)
2022-04-27 19:57:37	ishan	it's so annoying. it has legit rewrote .html handler to IE in the past 
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2022-04-27 19:59:13	demonicmaniac1	ishan: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wine#Prevent_Wine_from_creating_filetype_associations
2022-04-27 19:59:14	phrik	Title: Wine - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-04-27 20:01:07	ishan	demonicmaniac1: Thank you very much 
2022-04-27 20:01:17	pulec	DeepDayze: it's just bunch of drives I found in boxes and forgot what was their history, of course I would not save any critical data, but it's a shame to disable them imho
2022-04-27 20:02:27	pulec	interesting I use wine and I don't have any file assoic issues
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2022-04-27 20:04:52	DeepDayze	pulec: I see, just don't really use them for production just for say quick backups and such
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2022-04-27 20:06:17	pulec	not even backups
2022-04-27 20:06:21	pulec	just yolo try to live data
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2022-04-27 20:12:11	damjan	ishan: lol. that's truly annoying indeed
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2022-04-27 20:16:10	pulec	uf uf [572303.133527] critical medium error, dev sde, sector 311580904 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x80700 phys_seg 1 prio class 0
2022-04-27 20:16:33	pulec	most annoying thing is stealing focus
2022-04-27 20:17:06	pulec	imagine ircing and hitting enter when some bs pops up and you hit enter 50ms after the pop up appears trying to send your irc message
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2022-04-28 12:17:49	thrice	which screen locker?
2022-04-28 12:19:01	krux02	xflock4
2022-04-28 12:19:17	thrice	ah, I had found: https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/-/issues/100
2022-04-28 12:19:20	phrik	Title: Power manager locks screen when closing and opening(??) lid, despite settings telling it not to (#100) · Issues · Xfce / xfce4-power-manager · GitLab (at gitlab.xfce.org)
2022-04-28 12:29:53	krux02	thrice: thanks a lot, I found the solution there, coulIgnoreLid=true in UPower.conf
2022-04-28 12:30:13	krux02	s/coul//
2022-04-28 12:31:03	krux02	yay I can now close my laptop lid without shit happening
2022-04-28 12:36:13	thrice	\o/
2022-04-28 12:39:31	heythere221	Im getting the following errors on reboot/poweroff: kauditd_printk_skb: 41 callbacks supressed failed to unmount /oldroot: device or resource busy fasiled to unmount /oldroot/sys failed to finalize file systems
2022-04-28 12:39:57	heythere221	sometimes i dont get the kauditd error just the failed to unmount /oldroot
2022-04-28 12:40:48	heythere221	any dieas how to fix that?:D
2022-04-28 13:04:51	Zetta1Reid0	Hello. GDM refuses to display Wayland wayland sessions.They work fine when i launch them from console. Nothing particular from gdm service output.I have Wayland enabled in gdm.costom config.Anyone know what might be wrong ?
2022-04-28 13:06:56	Gagis	check for WaylandEnable=false in wayland's .conf
2022-04-28 13:07:25	Zetta1Reid0	that is enabled
2022-04-28 13:08:04	Gagis	the wiki has an extensive list of stuff like the udev rule with nvidia or lack of loaded modules that may affect it but thats nvidia spesific
2022-04-28 13:10:02	Zetta1Reid0	I checked it. I have early loading for all nvidia modules. nvidia-drm.modeset=1 is set in grub.
2022-04-28 13:14:50	Gagis	anything still in /usr/lib/udev/rules.d/61-gdm.rules ?
2022-04-28 13:14:57	Gagis	that may be an outdated thing to worry about
2022-04-28 13:17:16	Zetta1Reid0	Well the rule exists. Should it not ?
2022-04-28 13:19:48	Zetta1Reid0	I don't even think my gdm is running on wayland.
2022-04-28 13:20:08	Gagis	some line in it may disable wayland when on nvidia but I'm not sure if thats only on old versions
2022-04-28 13:20:12	Gagis	could delete whole rule
2022-04-28 13:22:42	Zetta1Reid0	I moved it to 61.gdm.bck so it shouldn't apply. still same
2022-04-28 13:23:02	Zetta1Reid0	also yes it disables wayland but on versions of nvidia driver < 510
2022-04-28 13:23:34	Gagis	mm, makes sense
2022-04-28 13:30:10	Zetta1Reid0	Maybe i will try to downgrade gdm to see if that will help.Last version that worked for me was 41.something i think
2022-04-28 13:30:44	Gagis	ohh, hey
2022-04-28 13:30:57	Gagis	do you have a .pacnew for the gdm config file?
2022-04-28 13:31:04	Gagis	could be they changed the syntax for 42
2022-04-28 13:51:36	Zetta1Reid0	nope . no pacnew or pacsaves
2022-04-28 14:16:22	damjan	uhh, there are 24 PRs on mkinitcpio, and people even started to have PRs on top of PRs https://github.com/archlinux/mkinitcpio/pulls
2022-04-28 14:33:24	kevku	think you can use dracut in arch if you want to
2022-04-28 14:34:34	@Foxboron	damjan: yes, not ideal
2022-04-28 14:44:59	damjan	kevku: I don't want it :D - more seriously, I've tried dracut in the past, it had more bugs, less features and was slower (maybe not less features in total, but didn't have the features I cared for)
2022-04-28 14:45:15	⚡ 	jelle wishes we could speed up dracut
2022-04-28 14:45:38	@Foxboron	Profiling is tricky though. I wanted to try profile mkinitcpio for fun but I couldnt figure out any good tools
2022-04-28 14:46:04	jelle	it's probably I/O
2022-04-28 14:47:05	kevku	not sure performance is that important for something you use once a week
2022-04-28 14:50:03	damjan	becomes important when fixing its bugs
2022-04-28 14:59:58	milog	is it possible to pass kernel module options with mkinicpio? "MODULES=(vfio_pci ids=XX)" don't work
2022-04-28 15:02:49	artefact	milog: use modprobe.conf
2022-04-28 15:03:35	artefact	(and modconf hook)
2022-04-28 15:06:31	milog	modprobe.conf i have "options vfio-pci id=X" and "softdep GRAPHICMODULES(nvidia,amdgpu,nouveau) pre: vfio-pci" but it don't seem to work. guess ihave to blacklist more "i2c_nvidia_gpu" is still loaded
2022-04-28 15:07:37	milog	i thought it would be better to say vfio_pci ids very early in initramfs to not to "softdep .. pre: vfio-pci" in modprobe.conf
2022-04-28 15:08:34	artefact	is it included in your initramfs?
2022-04-28 15:08:45	artefact	if not, it won't do anything for modules loaded in early boot
2022-04-28 15:09:03	milog	MODULES=(amdgpu vfio vfio_iommu_type1 vfio_pci vfio_virqfd)
2022-04-28 15:09:18	milog	are in initramfs but without ids for vfio_pci 
2022-04-28 15:09:32	Scimmia	milog: [8:03:35 am] <artefact> (and modconf hook)
2022-04-28 15:09:49	artefact	i mean FILES="/etc/modprobe.d/foo.conf" or HOOKS=(... modconf ...)
2022-04-28 15:10:23	milog	yes modconf is there seems to be default
2022-04-28 15:15:37	milog	kernel cmdline i also have "pci-stub.ids=XX rd.driver.pre=vfio_pci video=efifb:off"
2022-04-28 15:18:08	damjan	what is "rd.driver.pre="?
2022-04-28 15:19:29	⚡ 	tomty89 knows only rd.modules_load=
2022-04-28 15:19:36	tomty89	damjan: what's the context?
2022-04-28 15:22:30	milog	it's for dracut maybe it try instead of mkinicpio.
2022-04-28 15:22:38	milog	tomty89: 12:59 < milog> is it possible to pass kernel module options with mkinicpio? "MODULES=(vfio_pci ids=XX)" don't work
2022-04-28 15:23:36	tomty89	milog: well the base hook init script takes earlymodules=
2022-04-28 15:24:12	tomty89	milog: and rd.modules_load= is more or less the equivalent if you use systemd for early init, IIRC
2022-04-28 15:24:27	tomty89	not experienced with dracut
2022-04-28 15:25:19	tomty89	milog: oh wait options. you just include a modprobe.d conf in the initramfs for that, I think
2022-04-28 15:26:06	tomty89	milog: the modconf hook should include all the .conf in /etc/modprobe.d/ upon initramfs generation (i.e. mkinitcpio)
2022-04-28 15:32:55	milog	"options vfio-pci ids=X" in modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and mkinitcpio.conf "MODULES=(vfio vfio_pci)"
2022-04-28 15:38:02	tomty89	milog: just MODULES=(vfio-pci) should be sufficient
2022-04-28 15:38:22	tomty89	mkinitcpio handles the deps for you
2022-04-28 15:41:38	vvn	As input I have e.g. device=/dev/mmcblk0p4 (can be different) and I want to resize it programmatically with 'parted -s /dev/mmcblk0 resizepart 4 100%'. I can get the part number via /sys/class/block/${device}/partition, but how can I get its parent device "/dev/mmcblk0"?
2022-04-28 15:46:19	tomty89	vvn: "${meh/p[0-9]*/}", heh
2022-04-28 15:46:34	tomty89	I mean device/
2022-04-28 15:47:06	vvn	I should've mentioned, it's not about string manipulation, but rather linux device nodes. 
2022-04-28 15:47:24	tirnanog	lsblk -ndo pkname "$device"
2022-04-28 15:49:08	tomty89	vvn: I know. I'm just not sure if there's a way. You can find its "parent" with `udevadm info -a`, but it's probably worse than string manipulations (with conditions)
2022-04-28 15:49:57	vvn	yeah true
2022-04-28 15:50:26	vvn	too bad there's no "parent" sysfs attribute or maybe a PARENT= in the uevent attribute (it already contains PARTN=4)
2022-04-28 15:51:58	vvn	tirnanog: the lsblk command is good, I shouldn't mind a dependency on such administration tool, I'll go with this I guess thanks.
2022-04-28 15:53:52	tirnanog	caveat: it won't return non-zero if you accidentally give it a device path that is a parent device in its own right. maybe that doesn't matter in your code, but you can defend against it in this fashion: parent=$(lsblk -ndo pkname "$device"); if [[ ! $parent ]]; then echo >&2 "$device is invalid or has no ancestors"; exit 1; fi
2022-04-28 15:55:20	tirnanog	it will exit non-zero if $device is non-existent, though.
2022-04-28 15:55:21	tomty89	hmm missed the pkname
2022-04-28 15:56:04	damjan	perhaps $parent, %P The node name of the parent device.
2022-04-28 15:56:13	Edu4rdSHL	vvn, lsblk -no pkname $device
2022-04-28 15:59:21	vvn	For the context, I'm trying to resize automatically on first boot the root partition (embedded, no GPT), so I'm getting the partition from the root= parameter from cmdline (currently /dev/mapper/foo), then 'cryptsetup status ...' to get the device to which the luks system is attached, then I need the parent device and partition number for the 'parted' tool. With all these variables I then call
2022-04-28 15:59:23	vvn	parted resizepart -> cryptsetup resize -> btrfs filesystem resize and we're good
2022-04-28 16:00:12	tomty89	tirnanog: the ! "$parent" test apparently needs you to head -n 1 the output in the first place
2022-04-28 16:00:36	tirnanog	tomty89: no, because of -n.
2022-04-28 16:01:01	tirnanog	-n, --noheadings
2022-04-28 16:01:10	tomty89	tirnanog: that's not what i'm talking about
2022-04-28 16:01:13	tomty89	!tias
2022-04-28 16:01:13	phrik	Try It And See™
2022-04-28 16:01:55	tomty89	also head -n 1 will give the heading if -n is not used anyway
2022-04-28 16:03:04	tirnanog	in that case, please divulge further. it worked in my test case. I certainly don't claim to have covered every possible scenario in the minutes that it's been under discussion.
2022-04-28 16:03:21	vvn	Edu4rdSHL: where is documented the "pkname" column name? Can I use lsblk to retrieve the partition number as well maybe?
2022-04-28 16:03:22	tomty89	vvn: by the way there's something called systemd-repart by Lennart™
2022-04-28 16:03:49	vvn	tomty89: yep but that's currently limited to GPT partition if I'm not mistaken
2022-04-28 16:03:51	tomty89	tirnanog: oh never mind, apparently you got the -d
2022-04-28 16:04:06	tirnanog	I always tias, for the record.
2022-04-28 16:04:08	tirnanog	always.
2022-04-28 16:04:22	vvn	tiasrnanog
2022-04-28 16:04:35	Edu4rdSHL	vvn, lsblk --help
2022-04-28 16:04:40	Edu4rdSHL	> PKNAME  internal parent kernel device name
2022-04-28 16:05:15	tirnanog	ok, I see what your concern was.
2022-04-28 16:05:23	tirnanog	but no, it shouldn't apply.
2022-04-28 16:05:40	vvn	Edu4rdSHL: ha true, thanks!
2022-04-28 16:06:18	tirnanog	one thing that's weird about it is that it spits out a spurious newline when it has nothing to report but the command substitution will trim it off.
2022-04-28 16:07:41	tomty89	tirnanog: it wouldn' be just a newline if you put + before pkname ;)
2022-04-28 16:07:42	tirnanog	damjan: can udevadm be told to format its output based on that property?
2022-04-28 16:08:19	vvn	Edu4rdSHL: it doesn't seem to have a partition number column. It's OK I'll stick to /sys/class/block/${device}/partition
2022-04-28 16:09:26	Edu4rdSHL	vvn, well, there's KNAME but it also prints the parent
2022-04-28 16:09:39	B-|	why isn't dkimproxy available in the repos anymore?
2022-04-28 16:10:15	vvn	Edu4rdSHL: that's the partition name, not only the partition number unfortunately 
2022-04-28 16:10:37	tirnanog	tomty89: no, it's not an option. consider a case where, say, we have device="/device=/dev/mmcblk0", even unintentionally. that is the top-most device, it has no parents. running lsblk -ndo +pkname "$device" will report the device in question, defeating the [[ ! $parent ]] sanity check.
2022-04-28 16:11:24	tirnanog	I mean, I don't think that's what vvn would want in this particular instance. it's expected that the device has to have a parent.
2022-04-28 16:11:31	tomty89	tirnanog: what i mean is, the newline isn't weird, because it has a result for your query; but it's a newline because you only ask it to print a filed that's empty
2022-04-28 16:11:38	Edu4rdSHL	vvn, aaaaah
2022-04-28 16:11:46	tomty89	*a field
2022-04-28 16:11:47	tirnanog	tomty89: ah, I see.
2022-04-28 16:11:56	tirnanog	tomty89: yes, I suppose that's fair.
2022-04-28 16:13:49	tirnanog	damjan: can that be used to format udevadm output, though? if so, that would be most appealing.
2022-04-28 16:18:43	vvn	So that script would look something like this: http://ix.io/3Wtw
2022-04-28 16:23:18	tirnanog	parent=/dev/$(lsblk ...). alternatively, parted -s "/dev/${parent}".
2022-04-28 16:23:41	tirnanog	you should run that through shellcheck.net to attend to a few nitpicks.
2022-04-28 16:24:59	vvn	tirnanog: good catch
2022-04-28 16:25:41	tirnanog	also, while it's not especially important, I would write read -r partition < /sys/class/... instead. you only need one line and there's no  need for subshells, nor cat. similarly, name=${root##*/} would suffice.
2022-04-28 16:27:16	vvn	tirnanog: as long as it's posix and no bashism I'm all for it
2022-04-28 16:27:41	tirnanog	don't worry. I wouldn't offer such, having observed the shebang.
2022-04-28 16:28:19	vvn	tirnanog: my bad, name=${root##*/} isn't a bashism?
2022-04-28 16:28:22	tirnanog	it is not.
2022-04-28 16:28:29	vvn	ho good to know 
2022-04-28 16:28:50	vvn	I love the read -r var < trick btw, I never was a fan of var=$(cmd)
2022-04-28 16:28:54	tirnanog	(shellcheck is good at picking up violations also, by the way)
2022-04-28 16:32:18	vvn	tirnanog: wouldn't "/sys/class/block/${device}/partition" be better than /sys/class/block/"${device}"/partition?
2022-04-28 16:38:34	drocan	how did we only update archlinux-keyring with up to date repositories for computers that weren't updated in ages?
2022-04-28 16:40:02	Edu4rdSHL	drocan, pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring
2022-04-28 16:40:14	drocan	Edu4rdSHL: cheers
2022-04-28 16:40:20	Edu4rdSHL	Or you mean that the key of the keyring package is also expired?
2022-04-28 16:40:35	drocan	nope, updated fine!
2022-04-28 16:40:43	Edu4rdSHL	Now you can -Su then
2022-04-28 16:40:54	vvn	!keyring
2022-04-28 16:40:54	phrik	http://allanmcrae.com/2015/01/two-pgp-keyrings-for-package-management-in-arch-linux/
2022-04-28 16:41:03	Edu4rdSHL	Take care of the pacnew and pacsave files
2022-04-28 16:41:19	vvn	there should be a command answering this, I myself asked the exact same question yesterday ^
2022-04-28 16:41:46	drocan	okay will do if -Syu complains but it's chugging along fine so far
2022-04-28 16:42:48	merzo	Hello, lloks like it's already discussion regarding keys here. 
2022-04-28 16:42:49	merzo	Just want to understand is it safe to update package or should wait while the package will be checked or re-signed. I mean this issue: "File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/libinih-55-2-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature))"
2022-04-28 16:42:51	Edu4rdSHL	phrik, fixkeyring is <reply> pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
2022-04-28 16:42:51	phrik	Edu4rdSHL: Error: Factoid "fixkeyring" already exists.
2022-04-28 16:42:55	Edu4rdSHL	!fixkeyring
2022-04-28 16:42:57	phrik	Your keyring issue would be probably fixed by: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
2022-04-28 16:43:24	Edu4rdSHL	merzo, the package doesn't need any fix. 
2022-04-28 16:43:54	Edu4rdSHL	Update your archlinux-keyring package first as phrik said
2022-04-28 16:44:31	merzo	ok, thank you
2022-04-28 16:44:50	vvn	Edu4rdSHL: ;-)
2022-04-28 16:46:00	tirnanog	vvn: it makes no difference. use whichever you prefer.
2022-04-28 16:46:26	vvn	ok
2022-04-28 16:46:29	tirnanog	I would use the former but, for that particular expansion, it's ultimately a style choice.
2022-04-28 16:46:58	drocan	why did wiki change it's css
2022-04-28 16:47:12	Edu4rdSHL	!give drocan why
2022-04-28 16:47:13	phrik	drocan: Because you touch yourself at night.
2022-04-28 16:47:15	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-04-28 16:47:18	drocan	oh.
2022-04-28 16:47:43	vvn	You do not happen to be udev gurus, do you? It would simplify my life to have a /dev/root -> /dev/mapper/foo symlink simply mapped from root=/dev/mapper/foo, but my udev rule doesn't work:
2022-04-28 16:47:46	vvn	IMPORT{cmdline}="root"; SUBSYSTEM=="block", ACTION=="add", ENV{root}=="/dev/mapper/$env{DM_NAME}", ENV{DM_UDEV_PRIMARY_SOURCE_FLAG}="1", SYMLINK+="root"
2022-04-28 16:49:57	tomty89	what's ENV{root}?
2022-04-28 16:50:42	vvn	tomty89: the result variable from IMPORT{cmdline}="root" if I'm not wrong
2022-04-28 16:51:42	SuperNinja_4965	Just a quick question is anyone else getting an 503 error from the mirror "www.mirrorservice.org"??
2022-04-28 16:53:09	tirnanog	SuperNinja_4965: yes.
2022-04-28 16:53:53	damjan	vvn: what's with the `;` ?
2022-04-28 16:55:02	SuperNinja_4965	tirnanog: Glad to know its not me. 
2022-04-28 16:56:38	vvn	damjan: it's supposed to be on two lines, I added ; just for IRC and put it on a single line
2022-04-28 16:57:27	damjan	!paste
2022-04-28 16:57:27	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-04-28 16:57:44	tirnanog	SuperNinja_4965: they posted "The service is currently unavailable due to a network issue. We are investigating." 5 hours ago on Twitter.
2022-04-28 16:58:14	SuperNinja_4965	tirnanog: yeah i just saw that
2022-04-28 16:58:28	SuperNinja_4965	ive only just gotten back to my system so i hadnt seen that
2022-04-28 16:59:05	vvn	My udev rules doesn't work, Cc: damjan 
2022-04-28 16:59:06	vvn	IMPORT{cmdline}="root"
2022-04-28 16:59:09	vvn	SUBSYSTEM=="block", ACTION=="add", ENV{root}=="/dev/mapper/$env{DM_NAME}", ENV{DM_UDEV_PRIMARY_SOURCE_FLAG}="1", SYMLINK+="root"
2022-04-28 16:59:27	damjan	vvn: I don't think udev rules can be on two lines
2022-04-28 16:59:43	vvn	wdym
2022-04-28 16:59:45	damjan	at least add a coma and  \
2022-04-28 17:00:30	vvn	maybe you're not a udev guru ^^ look, that's an example using IMPORT{cmdline}: https://github.com/iotmaxx/gw41XX-firmware/blob/96e88a1aad87cbae5996322e26d2c71eb2a136ed/projectroot/usr/lib/udev/rules.d/99-data-partition.rules
2022-04-28 17:00:51	tomty89	vvn: the logic seems odd. I think you need to match what /dev/mapper/root links to first, like globbing ENV{DEVLINKS} maybe (after that symlink is appened to it, so note the rule file order), then you further add a symlink for that device
2022-04-28 17:02:02	tomty89	vvn: IMPORTing unconditionally probably put the key/value pair to every device's env
2022-04-28 17:03:55	vvn	tomty89: how are /dev/root symlink created usually? I don't understand as I imagined it should be fairly simple, cmdline contains root=/dev/foo/bar resulting in a /dev/root -> /dev/foo/bar symlink
2022-04-28 17:04:57	tomty89	vvn: not sure. I don't even have any /dev/mapper/root
2022-04-28 17:05:32	tomty89	vvn: but IMPORT doesn't import to something like a system-wide env var list
2022-04-28 17:05:53	tomty89	vvn: all the envs are per device AFAIK
2022-04-28 17:06:48	tomty89	vvn: your /dev/mapper/root itself is a symlink right?
2022-04-28 17:08:18	tomty89	vvn: also if the /dev/mapper/root is a symlink but it's not created with udev/SYMLINK, udev probably wouldn't be aware of it at all
2022-04-28 17:09:53	tomty89	hmm apparently you can match with SYMLINK as well, so no globbing needed
2022-04-28 17:10:10	vvn	tomty89: without the DM_ specifics, you must be able to have such simple root for any root= device
2022-04-28 17:10:25	tomty89	vvn: maybe try SYMLINK=="mapper/root", SYMLINK+="root"
2022-04-28 17:11:09	tomty89	well I do use LVM; I have something like mapper/vgname-lvname
2022-04-28 17:12:33	tomty89	vvn: and that's created with /usr/lib/udev/rules.d/10-dm.rules from device-mapper, apparently
2022-04-28 17:13:03	vvn	tomty89: I have no /dev/mapper/root. I have a system which boots from ether encrypted mmc0 or mmc1, so the bootloader specifies root=/dev/mapper/mmc0 or root=/dev/mapper/mmc1. I want /dev/root -> mapper/mmc0 or mapper/mmc1. But it's not mapper-specific, such simple rule must give you /dev/root -> sda2 from root=/dev/sda2 for example.
2022-04-28 17:13:11	tomty89	so in my case a 11-some-name.rules should so
2022-04-28 17:13:34	vvn	s/ether/either/
2022-04-28 17:15:12	tomty89	vvn: oh crypt containers. again, are they symlinks themselves?
2022-04-28 17:15:51	vvn	Yes, /dev/mapper/<name> is a symlink to /dev/mapper/dm-<index> 
2022-04-28 17:16:18	tomty89	hmm, so you want something like dynamic symlinking...
2022-04-28 17:16:20	vvn	but it shouldn't matter right? udev should allow you to create a device symlink from the value or a command line parameter, don't you agree?
2022-04-28 17:16:31	vvn	unless I'm missing a point
2022-04-28 17:17:09	tomty89	vvn: I'm just wondering how you could/should use IMPORT for your goal; AFAIK you can't just use it solely / unconditionally (I mean, it wouldn't make sense)
2022-04-28 17:22:25	vvn	tomty89: it imports the value from a cmdline parameter that you can use in your rules, right? so you should be able to compare and a device name against the kernel parameter value and create a link in that case? 
2022-04-28 17:25:06	tomty89	vvn: maybe SUBSYSTEM=="block", IMPORT{cmdline}="root"; SUBSYSTEM=="block", DEVLINKS=="*$env{root}*", SYMLINK+="root"
2022-04-28 17:25:27	tomty89	not tested though
2022-04-28 17:25:40	tomty89	(and it's a little bit dirty anyway)
2022-04-28 17:26:08	vvn	I will try
2022-04-28 17:26:36	tomty89	Fortunately `/dev/` are included in all the DEVLINKS lol
2022-04-28 17:26:42	tomty89	*is included
2022-04-28 17:27:02	vvn	but /dev/root used to be a thing right? It's really convenient for userspace when you have dynamic root devices (depending on the boot source), how was it done before?
2022-04-28 17:27:24	tomty89	I've seen it somewhere but I have no idea about its history
2022-04-28 17:28:13	vvn	tomty89: I can have an early script or something: ln -s $(sed 's,\s,\n,g' /proc/cmdline | grep '^root=' | cut -d= -f2) /dev/root, but that would be preferable to have this in a 99-root.rules file, right?
2022-04-28 17:28:59	tomty89	vvn: besides usually we just `findmnt /` or so, if we want to know which block device is used for /
2022-04-28 17:29:11	vvn	I didn't imagine "creating a device symlink from a kernel command line parameter" would be that tricky
2022-04-28 17:30:48	tomty89	vvn: maybe, but the env root will be set in all SUBSYSTEM=="block" devices with the udev approach
2022-04-28 17:30:55	tomty89	shouldn't be a big deal though
2022-04-28 17:31:02	tomty89	(just dirty)
2022-04-28 17:31:09	vvn	tomty89: the problem that this symlink would solve is the following: the root partitions are btrfs systems, and I have top-level subvolumes to mount from them. So my /etc/fstab has '/dev/mapper/mmc0 /data btrfs defaults,rw,noauto,subvol=data 0 0' for example. But I need it to work for /dev/mapper/mmc1 as well, it that's the boot source
2022-04-28 17:32:17	vvn	Hence '/dev/root /data btrfs defaults,rw,noauto,subvol=data 0 0' would be simpler for the fstab
2022-04-28 17:32:21	tomty89	Ah, so it's for fstab entries
2022-04-28 17:32:43	vvn	tomty89: do you have another approach maybe? 
2022-04-28 17:33:38	vvn	Sure I could write a systemd generate which parses the command line and create mount units dynamically, but I'd rather stick with fstab if possible, as it is preferred to describe mount points anyway
2022-04-28 17:33:43	tomty89	vvn: nope. I am not really an automation / scriptable guy. I just use UUID all the time.
2022-04-28 17:34:15	vvn	tomty89: I thought about it but obviously I cannot share the same UUID between the two partitions ^^
2022-04-28 17:35:46	vvn	And on top of that, the other problem I have is that systemd isn't setting DM_UDEV_PRIMARY_SOURCE_FLAG=1 for some reason for my root btrfs system, resulting in the subvolumes to time out because the device is never seen as "ready" by systemd (this variable impacts SYSTEMD_READY in the end)
2022-04-28 17:38:01	tomty89	vvn: well, you can makes use of PART/FS LABEL, if you don't mind to
2022-04-28 17:39:32	vvn	tomty89: the complete system is created by a build system so you cannot figure out stuffs after, entries need to be known at build time. (it's a product, not a user-facing system)
2022-04-28 17:44:13	tomty89	vvn: I think the env should be set by cryptsetup/device-mapper; I don't see any udev rules that sets the env (only rules that matches against it)
2022-04-28 17:45:46	vvn	tomty89: I think so too. I couldn't figure it out why yet. It looks like the Gentoo folks have the same issue as well: https://bugs.gentoo.org/330651
2022-04-28 17:45:57	phrik	Title: 330651 – lvm2 udev scripts do not properly set up /dev: udev permissions rules on my LVM don't run (at bugs.gentoo.org)
2022-04-28 17:46:04	damjan	vvn: so you want the root=xyz to become /dev/root -> xyz
2022-04-28 17:46:20	damjan	that's quite static data, why do you want to run it in udev?
2022-04-28 17:46:29	damjan	for each block device even
2022-04-28 17:46:40	vvn	damjan: isn't it the best place to create device symlink?
2022-04-28 17:46:41	damjan	just make a service
2022-04-28 17:46:47	vvn	ha
2022-04-28 17:46:54	damjan	udev is for actiong on events from the kernel
2022-04-28 17:47:07	vvn	hum, fair
2022-04-28 17:49:11	vvn	damjan: so you use /dev/root in /etc/fstab and write an early service (Before=local-fs.target) in the main os (not the initrd) which does: ln -s $(sed 's,\s,\n,g' /proc/cmdline | grep '^root=' | cut -d= -f2) /dev/root
2022-04-28 17:49:22	vvn	correct?
2022-04-28 17:51:33	damjan	you probably want it in local-fs-pre.target
2022-04-28 17:51:48	damjan	Before=local-fs.target will run un parallel with the local-fs mounts
2022-04-28 17:53:55	vvn	Ha true. Before=local-fs-pre.target then.
2022-04-28 17:54:12	damjan	vvn: WantedBy=local-fs-pre.target should be enoough
2022-04-28 17:54:29	tomty89	vvn: There's also `systemctl show -P What -- -.mount` :P
2022-04-28 17:54:48	vvn	damjan: is Before the implicit order? 
2022-04-28 17:55:07	damjan	vvn: yes, for .targets
2022-04-28 17:55:24	vvn	tomty89: neat
2022-04-28 17:55:29	vvn	damjan: good to know, thanks
2022-04-28 17:56:00	vvn	and maybe using /dev/root in fstab will solve the SYSTEM_READY issue I have with the /dev/mapper/mmc* blocks
2022-04-28 17:56:02	vvn	or not :/
2022-04-28 17:56:31	vvn	I mean, I can but I won't mount the subvolumes myself (which works fine...), that's ugly af
2022-04-28 18:01:44	⚡ 	tomty89 is not so sure about the implicit order
2022-04-28 18:02:33	tomty89	Lennart is obsessed with parallelization
2022-04-28 18:03:11	damjan	tomty89: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.target.html
2022-04-28 18:03:12	phrik	Title: systemd.target (at www.freedesktop.org)
2022-04-28 18:04:26	damjan	although one needs to be carefull about the "unless DefaultDependencies=no is set in the specified units" part
2022-04-28 18:08:08	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-28 18:25:32	tomty89	Danilo82: they aren't really relevant
2022-04-28 18:25:39	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-04-28 18:27:15	Danilo82	damn dnsmasq is really trash slow
2022-04-28 18:27:42	tomty89	Danilo82: with that said, I think you need to make sure that the dnsmasq DHCP server doesn't handle requests from the interface which dhcpcd receive an address from
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2022-04-28 18:28:16	tomty89	Danilo82: since you probably never want more than one DHCP server working in one broadcast domain
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2022-04-28 18:35:48	damjan	vvn: make sure -.mount exists at that point in time
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2022-04-28 18:37:26	vvn	when is -.mount created?
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2022-04-28 18:40:18	damjan	not sure. it's synthtetized by systemd
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2022-04-28 18:45:37	Danilo82	what do i need to use hosts.deny?
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2022-04-28 18:47:31	damjan	Danilo82: the application to support tcp wrappers, which has been depreceated some 10 years or more ;)
2022-04-28 18:47:43	damjan	use iptables(nftables)
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2022-04-28 18:47:59	Danilo82	hmm
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2022-04-28 18:48:32	Danilo82	so the only way to block sistes is by using/etc/hosts or some external software?
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2022-04-28 18:48:54	damjan	Danilo82: to block what?
2022-04-28 18:49:15	Danilo82	sites
2022-04-28 18:49:33	damjan	which sites you want to block from where?
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2022-04-28 18:50:06	damjan	also, hosts.deny/tcp-wrappers has never been about that
2022-04-28 18:50:48	Danilo82	the problem is /etc/hosts doesn't support wildcard, so to block a site I'll have to write the entire domain
2022-04-28 18:51:00	Danilo82	i tried to use dnsmasq but it is piss
2022-04-28 18:51:06	MrElendig	Danilo82: what are you actually trying to do?
2022-04-28 18:51:25	Danilo82	block stuff like ads and etc
2022-04-28 18:51:36	damjan	can you form a full sentence?
2022-04-28 18:51:47	damjan	block "stuff" from where to where?
2022-04-28 18:51:52	MrElendig	consider not doing diy and using adguard/pihole for this
2022-04-28 18:52:04	damjan	on your local computer, on your router, on the whole internet?
2022-04-28 18:52:06	MrElendig	and use*
2022-04-28 18:52:17	Danilo82	 0.0.0.0 foor.bar
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2022-04-28 18:52:33	MrElendig	if its just for a single machine though: simply use a browser extension?
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2022-04-28 18:53:15	Danilo82	no i want to use in the entire machine, so i won't have to deal with mustiple lists on ublock
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2022-04-28 18:57:56	sorta	what python framework is used for the arch wiki?
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2022-04-28 18:58:46	damjan	sorta: "Powered by MediaWiki"
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2022-04-28 18:58:52	tomty89	PHP!
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2022-04-28 18:59:04	tomty89	:'(
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2022-04-28 19:00:08	sorta	wasnt it ported to python recently? or was that aurweb?
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2022-04-28 19:00:46	Khorne	aurweb is using FastAPI now iirc
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2022-04-28 19:02:18	Danilo82	🥱 these guys use php instead of pure cgi
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2022-04-28 19:03:05	ugga-the-caveman	ahoi, i want to be able to output the current cpu utilization of my system. so i installed the sysstat package. Iread the documentiation on archwiki and in some other distro´s wiki´s.  I am confused about the information gathering that is supposedly used for sar command. How do the logs go on archlinux ?? do i need to enable the sysstat.service
2022-04-28 19:03:05	ugga-the-caveman	?  I dont really want to create logs i just want to see the current cpu usage and stuff.
2022-04-28 19:03:38	vvn	damjan: tomty89: sed 's,\s\+,\n,g' /proc/cmdline | sed 's,=, ,' | while read key value ; do if [ -b "$value" ] ; then ln -sv "$value" "/dev/$key" ; fi ; done
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2022-04-28 19:04:25	another|	ugga-the-caveman: htop?
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2022-04-28 19:04:41	ugga-the-caveman	jeah i am using that too =)
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2022-04-28 19:04:51	ugga-the-caveman	but this time i need the output in textform
2022-04-28 19:05:02	ugga-the-caveman	i want to output it on a website
2022-04-28 19:05:09	another|	ok
2022-04-28 19:05:22	sorta	i parse top
2022-04-28 19:05:30	sorta	lemme link the script 
2022-04-28 19:06:09	sorta	https://github.com/sattopadhyay/bin/blob/main/memory-cpu
2022-04-28 19:06:33	ugga-the-caveman	thx sorta. i ´ll try that out
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2022-04-28 19:06:49	sorta	:)
2022-04-28 19:07:04	damjan	vvn: that looks dangerous
2022-04-28 19:07:30	J_Darnley	Help!  where did I just push that window to?  Its not on the task bar anymore but the program is still running because I can hear it.
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2022-04-28 19:07:34	sorta	cpu=$(top -bn2 | grep -im1 'Cpu' | awk '{print $2}')
2022-04-28 19:07:42	sorta	this is the line you want essentialy
2022-04-28 19:08:12	ugga-the-caveman	j_Darnley what desktop environmant are you using ?  try alt tab to switch through all windows
2022-04-28 19:08:18	J_Darnley	KDE and yes
2022-04-28 19:08:27	ugga-the-caveman	maybe you put it on another virtual desktop
2022-04-28 19:08:37	J_Darnley	how do I find those?
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2022-04-28 19:09:02	ugga-the-caveman	not sure. try looking on taskbar settings for show desktops or so
2022-04-28 19:09:05	damjan	J_Darnley: what program is it?
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2022-04-28 19:09:19	ugga-the-caveman	there is a shortcut for switching, that i dont remember
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2022-04-28 19:12:12	J_Darnley	Hm.  I think I only have 1
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2022-04-28 19:13:47	J_Darnley	damjan: Winamp
2022-04-28 19:14:05	J_Darnley	I'll just kill it and it should go back to its saved position
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2022-04-28 19:14:37	tirnanog	vvn: that could be simplified.
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2022-04-28 19:14:47	Edu4rdSHL	J_Darnley, well, xdotool search --class winamp set_desktop_for_window %@ 1
2022-04-28 19:14:49	Edu4rdSHL	:p
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2022-04-28 19:15:25	vvn	tirnanog: show me your best shell-fu moves
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2022-04-28 19:17:38	tirnanog	vvn: this is fully posix, as it jettisons the non-standard sed command that was the first of the two: tr -s '[:space:]' '\n' < /proc/cmdline | while IFS== read -r key val; do [ -b "/dev/$val" ] && ln -s "$val" "/dev/$key"; done
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2022-04-28 19:18:01	tirnanog	er, ln -s "/dev/$val", I mean. you get the idea.
2022-04-28 19:18:12	J_Darnley	I don't know.  Screw it
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2022-04-28 19:18:37	ugga-the-caveman	 J_Darnley i would just reboot and never do it again =)
2022-04-28 19:18:38	J_Darnley	thanks anyway
2022-04-28 19:18:48	J_Darnley	reboot? why
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2022-04-28 19:19:00	J_Darnley	kill winamp and it won't save its position
2022-04-28 19:19:05	ugga-the-caveman	or logout of kde and back in again
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2022-04-28 19:19:12	tirnanog	vvn: that wasn't why I brought it up, though. I thought you might be more interested in the use of IFS to control word/field splitting.
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2022-04-28 19:19:28	mtn	J_Darnley: kde has a hotspot, top left, which should show all running apps
2022-04-28 19:19:30	vvn	tirnanog: but cmdline can have = in their values
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2022-04-28 19:19:45	tirnanog	vvn: read is so nicely designed that it doesn't matter.
2022-04-28 19:19:48	J_Darnley	I might need to reboot to close the 29 "pager widgets" I have opened and also can't find
2022-04-28 19:20:00	ugga-the-caveman	XD
2022-04-28 19:20:06	J_Darnley	mtn: yes I know that and it didn't appear to be in there
2022-04-28 19:20:19	ugga-the-caveman	thats why i use openbox
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2022-04-28 19:20:27	tirnanog	vvn: echo "foo=bar=baz" | { IFS== read -r key val; echo "$val"; }
2022-04-28 19:20:30	ugga-the-caveman	i hate desktops full of features
2022-04-28 19:20:42	ugga-the-caveman	and i want to become eye cancer
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2022-04-28 19:24:23	tomty89	vvn: i came up with `mapfile -d ' ' meh < /proc/cmdline; for i in "${meh[@]}"; do if [ "${i/root=/}" != "$i" ]; then echo "$i"; break; fi; done`
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2022-04-28 19:25:33	tomty89	(although i don't like looping for that :P)
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2022-04-28 19:27:04	tomty89	actually it should be `echo "${i/root=/}"`
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2022-04-28 19:30:39	tirnanog	none of it will work in sh, anyway.
2022-04-28 19:30:47	tirnanog	tr -s '[:space:]' '\n' < /proc/cmdline | while IFS== read -r key val; do if [ "$key" = root ]; then printf '%s\n' "$val"; break; fi; done
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2022-04-28 19:31:00	tomty89	vvn: you can probably use printf -v instead of $()
2022-04-28 19:31:08	tomty89	(and echo)
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2022-04-28 19:31:10	tirnanog	printf -v would be another bashism.
2022-04-28 19:31:24	tomty89	tirnanog: yeah i'm just writing for/in bash
2022-04-28 19:31:27	tirnanog	oh, ok.
2022-04-28 19:31:46	tomty89	wasn't following the requirement though
2022-04-28 19:31:58	ℹ 	SysGh_st es conocido ahora como SysGhost
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2022-04-28 19:37:18	flower_	https://paste.debian.net/1239336/ pgp signature error? hm
2022-04-28 19:37:21	phrik	Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)
2022-04-28 19:37:28	damjan	I don't think Archlinux can be installed without bash though :)
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2022-04-28 19:38:17	Arenlor	@flower_ pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring first.
2022-04-28 19:38:36	flower_	Arenlor: ok, what does it do?
2022-04-28 19:38:41	damjan	(this needs to be in the topic, perhaps for a few days)
2022-04-28 19:38:44	Arenlor	Updates the keyring.
2022-04-28 19:38:54	flower_	ok, thx
2022-04-28 19:39:11	flower_	that should be done now and then?
2022-04-28 19:39:20	Arenlor	Then you should be good.
2022-04-28 19:39:25	damjan	also "testing the AUR" is probably old now
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2022-04-28 19:41:55	vvn	!fixkeyring flower_ 
2022-04-28 19:41:56	phrik	vvn: Say what?
2022-04-28 19:41:59	vvn	!fixkeyring
2022-04-28 19:42:00	phrik	Your keyring issue would be probably fixed by: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
2022-04-28 19:42:05	vvn	flower_: ^
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2022-04-28 19:43:06	tomty89	ring ring
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2022-04-28 19:43:57	bud	Abba?
2022-04-28 19:44:09	jelle	take a chance
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2022-04-28 19:45:02	tomty89	bud: Mabel :P
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2022-04-28 19:49:06	vvn	damjan: var-lib-machines.mount complains that special device /dev/root doesn't exist, but data.mount works fine. there must be an ordering issue
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2022-04-28 19:49:18	vvn	both are noauto mounted from /dev/root
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2022-04-28 19:50:48	tomty89	vvn: var-lib-machines.mount is pulled by remote-fs.target, apparently
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2022-04-28 19:52:07	tomty89	Although it seems to have After=local-fs-pre.target
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2022-04-28 19:53:52	tomty89	Hmm, or do you have a customized var-lib-machines.mount
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2022-04-28 19:55:20	vvn	tomty89: yes a custom var-lib-machines.mount generated from this line in /etc/fstab: /dev/root /var/lib/machines btrfs defaults,rw,noauto,subvol=machines 0 0
2022-04-28 19:55:51	vvn	(I have the same line for /data and /var/lib/portables)
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2022-04-28 19:57:59	tomty89	vvn: "This target unit is automatically ordered before all local mount points marked with auto (see above)." (local-fs-pre.target)
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2022-04-28 19:58:47	tomty89	vvn: hmm, but why would they even be mounted on boot when they are marked with noauto?
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2022-04-28 20:00:07	damjan	probably has some systemd-nspawn@.service 
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2022-04-28 20:03:02	vvn	tomty89: with noauto removed from fstab, all mounts fail with /dev/root does not exist
2022-04-28 20:03:31	ℹ 	Visne_ es conocido ahora como Visne
2022-04-28 20:03:40	vvn	http://ix.io/3Wv1
2022-04-28 20:03:51	vvn	I don't get it
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2022-04-28 20:04:29	vvn	I should try DefaultDependencies=no and After=something
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2022-04-28 20:05:42	⚡ 	vvn tries without After=
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2022-04-28 20:05:55	damjan	vvn: check to see when it really started,  journalctl -b or systemd-analyze plot > boot.svg
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2022-04-28 20:07:33	vvn	now they can mounted, but unmounted after because SYSTEMD_READY=0
2022-04-28 20:07:49	vvn	that's the DM_UDEV_PRIMARY_SOURCE_FLAG flag not being set issue
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2022-04-29 19:25:06	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1508 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1506 normals)
2022-04-29 18:42:06	argonautx	regarding aurutils: is there any heuristic for handling missing gpg keys, so that I can automatically find them and download them?
2022-04-29 18:44:03	Scimmia	gpg can handle that itself, as long as the key is on the keyserver
2022-04-29 18:47:51	argonautx	e.g. I use aursync to download some packages within a script, and the build process halts for a missing key
2022-04-29 18:47:59	argonautx	how can I handle this
2022-04-29 18:49:15	argonautx	of course I can use expact to receive a sting in which a certain key is requested, but maybe there is a function for in aurutils
2022-04-29 18:49:22	argonautx	which cover this?
2022-04-29 19:12:52	tmpm697	hi all, I've just updated archlinux box and the resolution suddenly changed like from 2k to 1k.
2022-04-29 19:12:59	tmpm697	anyone has this issue recently?
2022-04-29 19:13:12	tmpm697	happened to me like hours ago.
2022-04-29 19:17:00	tmpm697	these are my updated packages hours ago: https://0x0.st/oAHx.txt
2022-04-29 19:17:14	tmpm697	I use intel iGPU hd620
2022-04-29 19:17:29	tmpm697	archlinux up-to-date / swaywm
2022-04-29 19:18:06	tmpm697	I tried to downgrade systemd but still same issue.
2022-04-29 19:20:54	tmpm697	swaymsg -t get_outputs gives max resolution at  1920x1080 @ 60.000
2022-04-29 19:20:59	tmpm697	but my monitor is 2k resolution.
2022-04-29 19:21:24	Scimmia	that is 2k resolution
2022-04-29 19:22:20	cedb	im trying to boot from usb an archiso in grub cmdline, i did "insmod linux; set root=(usb0); linux /arch/boot/x86_64/vmlinuz-linux; initrd /arch/boot/x86_64/initramfs-linux.img; boot' shouldnt be any typos in paths (tabcomplete)
2022-04-29 19:22:51	tmpm697	Scimmia: 1920x1080 is 1k 
2022-04-29 19:23:09	Scimmia	tmpm697: nope
2022-04-29 19:23:30	tmpm697	Scimmia: what you mean, 2k ~ 2560x1440
2022-04-29 19:23:43	cedb	it gets  stuck on trying to "mount /dev/disk-by-label to /run/archiso/bootmnt" and then says "device did not show up ... sh: can't access tty: job control turned off"
2022-04-29 19:23:53	cedb	and drops me into a sh shell (no zsh)
2022-04-29 19:24:23	ds	tmpm697: 1440 is QHD, not 2k
2022-04-29 19:24:29	Scimmia	tmpm697: 2k=2000, 1920 is close to 2000 and is referred to as 2k when using that stupid notation
2022-04-29 19:24:37	ds	2K is only slightly wider than 1080
2022-04-29 19:25:03	tmpm697	idk but my monitor support 2560x1440 before
2022-04-29 19:25:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-04-29 19:25:11	tmpm697	now it stuck at 1920x1080
2022-04-29 19:25:24	tmpm697	any idea how and why it happens?
2022-04-29 19:25:25	Edu4rdSHL	cedb, why do you need to do that?
2022-04-29 19:25:37	Edu4rdSHL	Just copy the ISO into the USB using cp
2022-04-29 19:25:45	Scimmia	tmpm697: kernel change?
2022-04-29 19:25:48	Edu4rdSHL	And it should just works
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2022-04-29 19:26:48	cedb	Edu4rdSHL: im booting with osboot firmware and booting from usb isnt listed as an option
2022-04-29 19:27:04	cedb	https://osboot.org/docs/gnulinux/grub_boot_installer.html
2022-04-29 19:27:05	phrik	Title: osboot – Installing GNU+Linux (at osboot.org)
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2022-04-29 19:27:33	tmpm697	Scimmia: I did switch between LTS and current linux one, nothing change
2022-04-29 19:28:02	Edu4rdSHL	cedb, I see, I don't have idea then.
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2022-04-29 19:28:19	tmpm697	ds: ok, yeah but my monitor support 2560x1440 for sure
2022-04-29 19:30:37	ds	yeah i have no idea why supported resolution would change, other than kernel, video drivers or *maybe* (but almost definitely not) changed vram allocation in bios
2022-04-29 19:30:42	cedb	Edu4rdSHL: ahh there is "search usb for grub menu entries" but itd be nice if grub resue worked
2022-04-29 19:31:34	ℹ 	Scotty_Trees2 es conocido ahora como Scotty_Trees
2022-04-29 19:34:02	tmpm697	ds: I upgrade kernel from yesterday and did a reboot and it work fine.
2022-04-29 19:34:15	tmpm697	unless the combination of kernel and systemd did change the system.
2022-04-29 19:34:19	tmpm697	don't know why
2022-04-29 19:34:22	susi	do you have output lines in your config
2022-04-29 19:34:45	tmpm697	susi: what output lines? and what config?
2022-04-29 19:35:03	susi	https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki#configuration
2022-04-29 19:36:02	tmpm697	susi: I do not have any output line in sway's config
2022-04-29 19:36:22	ds	try setting one, maybe it's picking a wrong default?
2022-04-29 19:36:24	tmpm697	I did not set resoultion manually in config file
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2022-04-29 19:36:42	tmpm697	ds: but swaymsg -t get_outputs only list max one at 1920.
2022-04-29 19:36:50	tmpm697	it should 2560 there.
2022-04-29 19:37:04	◣	littlebobeep (~alMalsamo@gateway/tor-sasl/almalsamo) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-04-29 19:37:25	ds	right, but what happens if you try to manually set it as what it was previously (2560x1440) in your sway config
2022-04-29 19:38:19	susi	swaymsg output eDP1 pos 0 0 res 2560x1440 (replace eDP1 with correct identifier)
2022-04-29 19:39:15	tmpm697	susi, ds: nothing happen after issue the command swaymsg output DP-2 pos 0 0 res 2560x1440
2022-04-29 19:39:27	tmpm697	as expected, as 2560 doesn't exist to set.
2022-04-29 19:39:42	ds	tried the monitor in another pc/os?
2022-04-29 19:39:50	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-04-29 19:40:41	ℹ 	Tema establecido por phrik (~phrik@phrik.archlinux.org) el dom, 06 feb 2022 22:28:56
2022-04-29 19:40:41	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1506 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1504 normals)
2022-04-29 19:40:41	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-04-29 19:40:43	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-04-29 19:40:43	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-04-29 19:41:50	tmpm697	I used hdmi switcher to use same monitor with my arch box and ps5
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2022-04-29 19:42:00	tmpm697	switch to ps5 the resolution seem correct
2022-04-29 19:42:41	ds	and without the switcher, how does the monitor show? maybe the "monitor" sway sees is actually the switcher
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2022-04-29 19:43:23	tmpm697	unlucky, ps5 only supports 1920 resolution, can't distiguish the issue.
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2022-04-29 19:44:05	susi	doesn't ps5 support 4K 120 Hz with HDMI 2.1
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2022-04-29 19:44:47	tmpm697	yes, it seems to support 4k but not this *2560x1440*
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2022-04-29 19:45:19	tmpm697	I'll try to downgrade linux and linux-lts and see.
2022-04-29 19:45:29	◣	captain_morgan (~morgan@oit.cloud) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-04-29 19:45:41	tmpm697	i'll get back 
2022-04-29 19:45:47	ds	ill bbl, gotta make burgers before i forget. gl tmpm697 
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2022-04-29 19:47:57	tmpm697	it weird that both linx and linux-lts might cause the issue as I reserve *lts* for backup.
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2022-04-29 19:49:45	tmpm697	just downgraded linux and linux-lts
2022-04-29 19:49:50	tmpm697	use linux-lts but same issue
2022-04-29 19:50:06	tmpm697	I can still lspci | grep VGA : 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation WhiskeyLake-U GT2 [UHD Graphics 620] (rev 02)
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2022-04-29 19:50:31	tmpm697	I got this error in dmesg: 15.450453] snd_hda_codec_hdmi hdaudioC0D2: Monitor plugged-in, Failed to power up codec ret=[-13]
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2022-04-29 19:51:20	mefistofeles	tmpm697: interesting, I've been having similar issues lately, the monitor suddenly going down to another resolution. But in my case, just unplugging/plugging works to detect the correct resolution 
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2022-04-29 19:54:02	tmpm697	I just plugin directly archlinux box to monotir (no use VGA switcher)
2022-04-29 19:54:04	tmpm697	same issue
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2022-04-29 19:54:42	tmpm697	I can think of systemd
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2022-04-29 19:55:20	tmpm697	how to downgrade systemd and its all related packages?
2022-04-29 19:55:47	susi	I would check EDID info with read-edid
2022-04-29 19:55:55	teraflops	why would you want to downgrade systemd?
2022-04-29 19:56:02	Edu4rdSHL	tmpm697, systemd is irrelevant there
2022-04-29 19:56:46	Edu4rdSHL	Anyways, just list the installed systemd packages with `pacman -Qsq systemd` and downgrade what you want
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2022-04-29 19:57:15	tmpm697	how to know if this is faulty hardward?
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2022-04-29 19:57:27	tmpm697	I still can grep VGA from lspci
2022-04-29 19:58:04	susi	https://joekiller.com/2019/04/13/edid-reading-on-arch-linux/
2022-04-29 19:58:06	phrik	Title: EDID Reading on Arch Linux | JoeKiller (at joekiller.com)
2022-04-29 19:58:36	drl	When people send me .docx files via telegram messenger, how can I force telegram to open them using libreoffice writer when I download them?
2022-04-29 19:59:19	Edu4rdSHL	drl, what is the current behavior?
2022-04-29 20:00:00	teraflops	tmpm697: did you check that the correct video driver is set up?
2022-04-29 20:00:14	tmpm697	got this info from edid command: http://0x0.st/oAX-.txt
2022-04-29 20:00:27	drl	Edu4rdSHL: telegram opens them with Calibre.
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2022-04-29 20:01:01	tmpm697	teraflops: does it should work out of box?
2022-04-29 20:01:23	tmpm697	I had mesa installed
2022-04-29 20:01:25	cedb	the wikipage for doas says that the conf file should be owned by root and perms set to 0400, i can edit it in vim with :xa! but like, it seems hackish
2022-04-29 20:01:41	cedb	is there some supposed way to edit 0400 files owned by root?
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2022-04-29 20:02:13	teraflops	tmpm697: it depends on which gpu you are using
2022-04-29 20:02:15	susi	tmpm697: maybe check with journalctl -b --grep=vga that correct drivers are loaded
2022-04-29 20:02:18	Edu4rdSHL	drl, what happens if you run `xdg-open some.docx` in your terminal?
2022-04-29 20:02:26	tmpm697	I use intel iGPU hd620
2022-04-29 20:03:13	Edu4rdSHL	`lscpi -nnv` will tell you the drivers that are being used by your graphics card, tmpm697 
2022-04-29 20:03:55	tmpm697	I had: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation WhiskeyLake-U GT2 [UHD Graphics 620] [8086:3ea0] (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
2022-04-29 20:04:14	◣	ntwk (~ntwk@user/ntwk) ha salido (Quit: ntwk)
2022-04-29 20:04:15	tmpm697	i wonder if it recognize the VGA ok, then it still can be faulty?
2022-04-29 20:04:24	Edu4rdSHL	Check the Kernel driver in use: section
2022-04-29 20:04:27	◣	progandy (~progandy@user/progandy) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-04-29 20:04:28	Edu4rdSHL	That's what matters
2022-04-29 20:04:39	tmpm697	        Kernel driver in use: i915
2022-04-29 20:04:39	tmpm697	        Kernel modules: i915
2022-04-29 20:04:48	susi	for some reason your display is reporting its maximum resolution as 1080p
2022-04-29 20:04:52	tmpm697	it's i915, should be other?
2022-04-29 20:04:56	susi	as shown in your EDID paste
2022-04-29 20:05:02	tmpm697	susi: yes
2022-04-29 20:05:08	tmpm697	don't know why
2022-04-29 20:05:10	Edu4rdSHL	tmpm697, is xf86-video-intel installed?
2022-04-29 20:05:27	tmpm697	I do have xf86-video-intel installed
2022-04-29 20:05:28	Edu4rdSHL	Ah well, edid is returning 1080p then
2022-04-29 20:05:37	Edu4rdSHL	tmpm697, remove that package
2022-04-29 20:05:59	tmpm697	removed
2022-04-29 20:06:02	tmpm697	need to reboot?
2022-04-29 20:06:10	tmpm697	restart swaywm doesn't take effect.
2022-04-29 20:06:20	susi	are you using same HDMI cable as before
2022-04-29 20:06:20	Edu4rdSHL	Yes, reboot
2022-04-29 20:06:26	tmpm697	ok wait me a seconds
2022-04-29 20:06:44	tmpm697	susi: no this time hdmi connect directly to archlinux box
2022-04-29 20:06:45	Namarrgon	wayland doesn't use xf86-video-*
2022-04-29 20:07:01	susi	tmpm697: how it used to be?
2022-04-29 20:07:01	tmpm697	how about vulkan-intel?
2022-04-29 20:07:05	tmpm697	I also had it installed?
2022-04-29 20:07:09	Edu4rdSHL	Namarrgon, you're right
2022-04-29 20:07:16	Edu4rdSHL	Nvm what I said, tmpm697 
2022-04-29 20:07:19	Namarrgon	vulkan has nothing to do with your monitor's resolution
2022-04-29 20:07:30	ds	vulkan is for games and other stuff like that, not a driver
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2022-04-29 20:07:52	tmpm697	susi: used to connect to vga switcher to support 1 monitor and two devices.
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2022-04-29 20:08:09	tmpm697	should I reboot after remove x86-intel package? I really doubt
2022-04-29 20:08:17	susi	maybe your display is set in some different mode from its physical buttons?
2022-04-29 20:08:18	tmpm697	as it in my system for long, I use xorg before.
2022-04-29 20:08:39	drl	Edu4rdSHL: [~]% xdg-open /home/l/Documents/Koreksi Efesus.docx                            (l@lat:~)
2022-04-29 20:08:41	drl	xdg-open: unexpected argument 'Efesus.docx'
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2022-04-29 20:08:59	Edu4rdSHL	drl, quotes
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2022-04-29 20:10:35	tmpm697	susi: I check this dell 24 monitror from its physical buttoms
2022-04-29 20:10:41	drl	Edu4rdSHL: It opens with Calibre.
2022-04-29 20:10:50	tmpm697	and it display info show only 1920x1080??
2022-04-29 20:10:51	tmpm697	why
2022-04-29 20:10:59	thrice	!why
2022-04-29 20:10:59	phrik	Because you touch yourself at night.
2022-04-29 20:11:19	Edu4rdSHL	drl, that's the reason, set the default application to open .docx then
2022-04-29 20:11:32	susi	your monitor is reporting 1080p as its maximum resolution capability in EDID so it must be something within the monitor itself?
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2022-04-29 20:12:18	drl	Edu4rdSHL: Thank you.
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2022-04-29 20:12:47	susi	drl: you need to either escape or quote whitespaces, 'foo bar' or foo\ bar
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2022-04-29 20:13:51	tmpm697	phrik: no this monitor is at 2560x1440 before, and I seem don't touch anything
2022-04-29 20:13:52	phrik	tmpm697: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
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2022-04-29 20:14:10	tmpm697	I reset the whole monitor using physical buttoms
2022-04-29 20:14:14	tmpm697	and the same result
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2022-04-29 20:14:35	tmpm697	display info shows only 1920x1080, maybe I should call dell support?
2022-04-29 20:14:42	susi	but still, that EDID info comes from the display itself
2022-04-29 20:15:01	susi	not kernel or video drivers or anything should affect what your display reports as its maximum resolution
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2022-04-29 20:16:13	susi	https://edid.tv/edid/644/
2022-04-29 20:16:14	phrik	Title: Details - EDID.tv (at edid.tv)
2022-04-29 20:16:24	tmpm697	if *edid-decode* show info direct from monitor physics then I think I should contact dell
2022-04-29 20:16:34	tmpm697	as this monitor downgrade itslef
2022-04-29 20:16:54	tmpm697	s
2022-04-29 20:17:52	susi	I don't know if that site is trustworthy or not, but you could try to download EDID for your display from there (with 2560x1440@59.95Hz supported, as stated) and try with it
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2022-04-29 20:18:48	tmpm697	I installed edid-decode-git from aur and the result is from that package
2022-04-29 20:19:42	susi	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Forcing_modes_and_EDID
2022-04-29 20:19:43	phrik	Title: Kernel mode setting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-29 20:22:11	tmpm697	I have to turn off this computer to test out the case that if I connec this monitor to macbook
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2022-04-29 20:22:24	tmpm697	and the monitor display correctly resolution or not.
2022-04-29 20:22:26	tmpm697	hand in there.
2022-04-29 20:22:31	tmpm697	s/hand/hang
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2022-04-29 20:23:39	teraflops	application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document ouch
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2022-04-29 20:28:23	Edu4rdSHL	text/plain=visual-studio-code.desktop
2022-04-29 20:28:25	Edu4rdSHL	:p
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2022-04-29 20:32:59	tmpm697_	hi all
2022-04-29 20:33:12	tmpm697_	after test with macbook
2022-04-29 20:33:17	tmpm697_	it work perfectly
2022-04-29 20:33:27	tmpm697_	mac recognize the monitor is at max 2560x1440
2022-04-29 20:33:59	◣	mizu (~mizu@user/mizu) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-04-29 20:34:00	tmpm697_	the I re-plug hdmi to arch box. this time it recognize resolution correctly.
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2022-04-29 20:34:24	tmpm697_	it likes pulling hdmi between two machine make it work.
2022-04-29 20:34:50	tmpm697_	macbook bootstrap hdmi or correct it again before archbox can recognize it again.
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2022-04-29 20:36:08	tmpm697_	I actually connect to arch box using a converter that is connect to arch via usb-c port and I had usb-a and hdmi connect to this adapter
2022-04-29 20:36:42	tmpm697_	ideally single usb-c to archbox that transfer data from all (hdmi, usb-a)
2022-04-29 20:36:59	Edu4rdSHL	Looks like some bug in the screen firmware
2022-04-29 20:37:03	◥	littlebo2eep (~alMalsamo@gateway/tor-sasl/almalsamo) has joined #archlinux
2022-04-29 20:37:11	susi	now time to upgrade all those stuff you downgraded for nothing
2022-04-29 20:37:18	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-04-29 20:37:32	tmpm697_	does connect to macbook did an update dell monitor's firmware?
2022-04-29 20:37:36	tmpm697_	it can't be
2022-04-29 20:37:39	teraflops	nah
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2022-04-29 20:38:10	tmpm697_	well, welcome to systemd admin life I guess
2022-04-29 20:38:27	susi	you are using hdmi <-> usb-c adapter which might have something to do with these modes
2022-04-29 20:38:33	teraflops	it's just you are using 2 adapters to get video out plugged to a kvm thingy
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2022-04-29 20:38:54	teraflops	next time just unplug/replug I guess
2022-04-29 20:38:56	tmpm697_	yes one adapter in front of archbox and an kvm 
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2022-04-29 20:39:25	tmpm697_	i still have no idea
2022-04-29 20:39:29	tmpm697_	bad luck I guess.
2022-04-29 20:39:53	tmpm697_	time to eat, a day without and right the time to start making one, this issue happens.
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2022-04-29 20:40:24	tmpm697_	thank you all, have a great weekends :)
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2022-04-29 20:41:50	dalv	Hi channel -- Does anyone has experience running an Android Emulator in Arch? My bank account provider enforces me to use its mobile app for 2FA, and I don't want to be forced to use a mobile phone. I would rather prefer to run the bank application inside an Android emulator in my Arch machine. Any help appreciated! :)
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2022-04-29 20:42:59	ds	might not even work, most bank apps (at least here) check for emulation/root
2022-04-29 20:43:05	teraflops	^
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2022-04-29 20:44:59	dalv	ds: Oh, okay, thanks, I can see. Any way I think is worth a try, can you provide any advice on how to run such emulator?
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2022-04-29 20:45:59	susi	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/android
2022-04-29 20:46:00	phrik	Title: Android - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-29 20:46:09	susi	there's #android_emulator
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2022-04-29 20:47:19	teraflops	there is anbox 
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2022-04-29 20:53:53	Edu4rdSHL	dalv, if you want the easy solution, go for Genymotion
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2022-04-29 20:55:33	dalv	Thanks susi, teraflops, Edu4rdSHL! I will try this three solutions and I'll let you know which one works best for me :)
2022-04-29 20:55:45	susi	>The Android Emulator is available as the emulator SDK package, the android-emulatorAUR package, and there is also a dummy package for it: android-emulator-dummyAUR. 
2022-04-29 20:55:51	susi	what does this dummy package mean?
2022-04-29 20:56:10	Edu4rdSHL	A package that doesn't have files itself but pull dependencies
2022-04-29 20:56:11	teraflops	empty?
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2022-04-29 20:59:19	tmpm697_	I think this can dues to issue with kvm. and somehow when I switch from ps5 to archbox, the resolution 1920x1080 keep retain.
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2022-04-29 20:59:38	tmpm697_	just re-plugn all together as before and it back to 1920x1080.
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2022-04-29 20:59:55	tmpm697_	but after with to ps5 for a while, it back to normal.
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2022-04-29 21:00:09	tmpm697_	one of hardware component is at bad i think.
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2022-04-29 21:00:43	tmpm697_	kvm I get from baseus -- one of chinese manufacture ( but the quality of its product seem ok)
2022-04-29 21:00:56	tmpm697_	and it's not so cheap.
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2022-04-29 21:01:13	tmpm697_	it's time for warzone season 3 :v
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2022-04-29 21:07:41	tmpm697_	acutally it can be the un-named adapter.
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2022-04-29 21:33:16	powftw	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/bF0mF8Km/image.png
2022-04-29 21:33:45	powftw	see how ugly this look is? it is metal theme?
2022-04-29 21:34:11	powftw	can i get a good theme? modern one maybe? i use i3wm
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2022-04-29 21:35:22	ds	figure out whether it's gtk/qt/whatever, then check the appropriate page on the wiki
2022-04-29 21:35:24	mpan	powftw: is that a Java application using Swing? 
2022-04-29 21:35:44	powftw	java ig
2022-04-29 21:35:52	ds	thene ignore what i said :)
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2022-04-29 21:37:51	mpan	powftw: Swing has a look&feel feature and you may set the default one from command line by setting the `swing.defaultlaf` property (e.g. for OpenJDK: `java -Dswing.defaultlaf=fully.qualified.laf.name … other … arguments`). However, there is an important issue. Most developers never learned about L&F and completely ignore their existence, so the application may either hardcode and force you
2022-04-29 21:37:51	mpan	to use a 
2022-04-29 21:37:57	mpan	specific L&F (ignoring what you have chosen) or be written to work with only one L&F and look poorly otherwise.
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2022-04-29 21:38:50	mpan	powftw: <https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/uiswing/lookandfeel/plaf.html#commandLine> and <https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/uiswing/lookandfeel/plaf.html#properties>
2022-04-29 21:38:52	phrik	Title: How to Set the Look and Feel (The Java™ Tutorials > Creating a GUI With Swing > Modifying the Look and Feel) (at docs.oracle.com)
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2022-04-29 21:39:36	ds	mpan: could that be what the 'crossplatform' line is intended to solve? (i dont use any java apps) https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Java#GTK_LookAndFeel
2022-04-29 21:39:37	mpan	A few look&feels are available by default, and you may search a bunch others online.
2022-04-29 21:39:38	phrik	Title: Java - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-29 21:40:05	mpan	ds: that’s one of the look&feels available.
2022-04-29 21:40:29	ds	gotcha, similar to qt's qpa platform theme etc then
2022-04-29 21:40:35	mpan	I never used `swing.crossplatformlaf` tho, so I can’t tell.
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2022-04-29 21:42:07	powftw	where should i put `swing.defaultlaf=com.sun.java.swing.plaf.gtk.GTKLookAndFeel`
2022-04-29 21:42:16	mpan	See the links above.
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2022-04-29 22:19:25	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-29 22:48:20	JAWN3267	MacGyver yes all other ports are unplugged for the GPU, no CPU on-board graphics. In bios, Secure boot and quick boot disabled, SATA mode in AHCI
2022-04-29 22:48:51	Namarrgon	artix doesn't count, try a  fedora or debian iso
2022-04-29 22:49:53	Namarrgon	perhaps not debian.... but ubuntu or similar
2022-04-29 22:59:13	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-29 23:09:13	rabbitnightmare	what the hell is going on
2022-04-29 23:09:34	rabbitnightmare	updated my shit and it crashes now so I go to do a fresh install and the shit wont even finish properly
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2022-04-29 23:09:37	rabbitnightmare	arch is broken
2022-04-29 23:09:52	rabbitnightmare	yall make it so stable for so long then you pull bullshit like this
2022-04-29 23:09:55	rabbitnightmare	WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYy
2022-04-29 23:10:22	dTal	I thought arch just pretty much blindly packages upstream?
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2022-04-29 23:10:37	thurstylark	either get specific, or take your rage elsewhere
2022-04-29 23:10:41	shatervani	is there something like exiftools for arch? something that shows me image metadata
2022-04-29 23:10:47	shatervani	for example geolocation
2022-04-29 23:11:06	shatervani	is it exiv2?
2022-04-29 23:11:12	Namarrgon	what's wrong with exiftool?
2022-04-29 23:11:24	MacGyver	dTal: Pretty much, yes, with a fair amount of ensuring it all works together.
2022-04-29 23:11:35	rabbitnightmare	I have 9 systems down
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2022-04-29 23:11:43	rabbitnightmare	seriously what the living fuck
2022-04-29 23:11:52	shatervani	Namarrgon: i can't find exiftool 
2022-04-29 23:11:59	Namarrgon	shatervani: pacman -Ss exiftool
2022-04-29 23:12:02	thurstylark	rabbitnightmare: like I said, start getting specific, or nobody is going to take you seriously
2022-04-29 23:12:23	rabbitnightmare	thurstylark try running archinstall in a vm
2022-04-29 23:12:29	rabbitnightmare	whatever you do, don't update today
2022-04-29 23:12:33	shatervani	Namarrgon: oh wait, is perl-image-exiftool that one?
2022-04-29 23:12:37	Namarrgon	shatervani: yup
2022-04-29 23:12:44	shatervani	Namarrgon: ah i see, thanks for the help
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2022-04-29 23:12:59	thurstylark	rabbitnightmare: how about you just tell us what errors you are actually getting instead?
2022-04-29 23:13:12	rabbitnightmare	it gets to asking for a gpg key and exits
2022-04-29 23:13:25	thurstylark	!fixkeyring
2022-04-29 23:13:26	rabbitnightmare	straight up crashes to a terminal
2022-04-29 23:13:26	phrik	Your keyring issue would be probably fixed by: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
2022-04-29 23:13:32	MacGyver	Oh didn't we have that other guy in here earlier with the sudo bullshit?
2022-04-29 23:13:39	MacGyver	Probably same thing.
2022-04-29 23:13:42	rabbitnightmare	phrik archinstall
2022-04-29 23:13:43	phrik	See Torxed or #archinstall
2022-04-29 23:13:51	MacGyver	As in, needs keyring updating, it is known, and it's not limited to your installer.
2022-04-29 23:14:16	rabbitnightmare	its not my installer
2022-04-29 23:14:22	rabbitnightmare	its the included one in the iso
2022-04-29 23:14:27	thurstylark	archinstall is still experimental, so not guaranteed to work in all situations
2022-04-29 23:14:32	MacGyver	I mean your flashed image regardless of which image it is.
2022-04-29 23:14:53	rabbitnightmare	download a fresh iso and install it in a vm
2022-04-29 23:14:56	MacGyver	No.
2022-04-29 23:14:58	rabbitnightmare	you will see what I am talking about
2022-04-29 23:15:00	MacGyver	We understand the issue.
2022-04-29 23:15:18	MacGyver	See the thing thurstylark made phrik tell you.
2022-04-29 23:15:26	rabbitnightmare	then why is it broken still?
2022-04-29 23:15:38	Namarrgon	the iso is too old for the keyring update
2022-04-29 23:15:47	rabbitnightmare	its barely a month out of date
2022-04-29 23:15:55	rabbitnightmare	current iso download
2022-04-29 23:16:01	Namarrgon	exactly, while the keyring is a few days old
2022-04-29 23:16:03	rabbitnightmare	as in the one you fucking click on the arch website
2022-04-29 23:16:29	rabbitnightmare	why would you break an install and not update things
2022-04-29 23:16:31	Namarrgon	calm down, drink a cuppa tea and restart
2022-04-29 23:16:34	thurstylark	seriously, dude. you need to take it down a couple notches
2022-04-29 23:16:36	BrainDamage	one dev lost its keys and was forced to generate new
2022-04-29 23:16:44	rabbitnightmare	you are costing me money
2022-04-29 23:16:47	rabbitnightmare	a lot of money
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2022-04-29 23:16:58	Namarrgon	well, you're not making it easy to help you
2022-04-29 23:17:02	thurstylark	^
2022-04-29 23:17:12	rabbitnightmare	Namarrgon its a very easy to reproduce issue
2022-04-29 23:17:16	MacGyver	We are not costing you a dime.
2022-04-29 23:17:36	rabbitnightmare	yeah well this is going up on twitter
2022-04-29 23:17:37	MacGyver	In fact, we're massively giving you entirely free support by diagnosing your issue *instantly* even though you're very much not conducive to that process.
2022-04-29 23:17:37	thurstylark	raging instead of listening to those trying to help you is what is costing you money
2022-04-29 23:17:40	MacGyver	Go right fucking ahead.
2022-04-29 23:17:41	rxfh	your piss-poor operational planning is what is causing you money. your attitude is making no one want to help you. heh
2022-04-29 23:17:50	MacGyver	In fact, I'll retweet you.
2022-04-29 23:17:57	rxfh	*costing - who runs arch in prod on servers?
2022-04-29 23:18:08	MacGyver	rxfh: Many people, successfully.
2022-04-29 23:18:16	rabbitnightmare	I have for over a year
2022-04-29 23:18:23	MacGyver	I don't understand how this issue is costing 'm money in the first place, since it's the *installer* crashing out.
2022-04-29 23:18:25	HReflex	I’m actually using arch to run my matrix server
2022-04-29 23:18:39	rabbitnightmare	MacGyver because the updates broke a LOT
2022-04-29 23:18:47	Namarrgon	which update?
2022-04-29 23:18:59	rabbitnightmare	whatever was in todays pacman -Syu
2022-04-29 23:19:01	BrainDamage	you need to update the keyring first manually
2022-04-29 23:19:11	rabbitnightmare	pacman should do that
2022-04-29 23:19:13	Arenlor	I run it on my server.
2022-04-29 23:19:13	Namarrgon	you didn'T test on a testbox before you rolled it out?
2022-04-29 23:19:22	MacGyver	We're not having that discussion for the third time in two days.
2022-04-29 23:19:27	rabbitnightmare	yeah its my fault your distro is trash
2022-04-29 23:19:32	rabbitnightmare	blame me
2022-04-29 23:19:34	rabbitnightmare	lol
2022-04-29 23:19:37	rabbitnightmare	fucking hell
2022-04-29 23:19:43	rabbitnightmare	the absolute state
2022-04-29 23:19:46	rabbitnightmare	switching to rhel
2022-04-29 23:19:51	thurstylark	good riddance
2022-04-29 23:19:52	Eisenhans	go use suse. 
2022-04-29 23:20:03	MacGyver	Conclusion of that discussion: YES it would be nice if pacman did it but as it stands that's not possible, solutions are slowly being worked toward.
2022-04-29 23:20:19	MacGyver	As in, some people are sometimes thinking about what *would* work.
2022-04-29 23:20:22	BrainDamage	don't let the door hit you on your way out
2022-04-29 23:20:25	rabbitnightmare	every other package manager on earth handles keyrings
2022-04-29 23:20:30	MacGyver	In the meantime, pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring; pacman -Syu.
2022-04-29 23:20:32	rabbitnightmare	why the fuck doesnt pacma
2022-04-29 23:20:34	rabbitnightmare	pacman
2022-04-29 23:20:41	Arenlor	It handled it just fine for me.
2022-04-29 23:20:51	Arenlor	Just make sure to keep your software up to date.
2022-04-29 23:20:58	rabbitnightmare	as in if it sees a keyring update it asks you, I click y and it crashes
2022-04-29 23:21:04	MacGyver	Because SyncFirst was removed from pacman (which, by the way, is *not* developed "by arch") because it was deemed a maintenance burden with insufficient merit.
2022-04-29 23:21:05	rabbitnightmare	just tried your command and it didnt work
2022-04-29 23:21:13	◣	jackie (~jackie@banana-new.kilobyte22.de) ha salido ()
2022-04-29 23:21:14	◣	kilobyte22 (~kilobyte@banana-new.kilobyte22.de) ha salido (Quit: Bye)
2022-04-29 23:21:21	BrainDamage	read: if you're not done insulting and ranting, I will be sure to force you to stop
2022-04-29 23:21:21	thurstylark	!moar context
2022-04-29 23:21:21	phrik	moaarrr context!!! MMMOOOOOAAAAAARRRRRRR!!!
2022-04-29 23:21:25	◣	ty3r0x (~ty3r0x@user/ty3r0x) ha salido (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2022-04-29 23:21:37	rabbitnightmare	idk what else to tell you
2022-04-29 23:21:40	MacGyver	Okay, so my command didn't work -- what did it do instead?
2022-04-29 23:21:42	thurstylark	if you get errors, state them
2022-04-29 23:21:43	MacGyver	What error did you get?
2022-04-29 23:21:43	rabbitnightmare	it stops and goes to a terminal
2022-04-29 23:21:47	rabbitnightmare	nothing
2022-04-29 23:21:56	rabbitnightmare	"the gpg key could not be updated"
2022-04-29 23:22:11	ℹ 	inflatador es conocido ahora como SewerPuppet
2022-04-29 23:22:11	rabbitnightmare	idk how to make it any clearer
2022-04-29 23:22:17	ℹ 	SewerPuppet es conocido ahora como inflatador
2022-04-29 23:22:19	◣	wallun (~Wallun@user/wallun) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-04-29 23:22:25	BrainDamage	!paste
2022-04-29 23:22:25	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-04-29 23:22:33	MacGyver	Well you just did make it at least *somewhat* clearer by giving *one* line of output.
2022-04-29 23:22:34	BrainDamage	!ix
2022-04-29 23:22:34	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-04-29 23:22:36	MacGyver	See how that works?
2022-04-29 23:22:39	rabbitnightmare	ok hold on while I ssh back in
2022-04-29 23:23:01	rabbitnightmare	why would you change the gpg key
2022-04-29 23:23:04	rabbitnightmare	what does that solve
2022-04-29 23:23:08	◣	bim9262 (~bim9262@user/bim9262) ha salido (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2022-04-29 23:23:15	BrainDamage	as I said in the beginning, a dev lost their key
2022-04-29 23:23:18	MacGyver	The fact that a packager lost access to the old one, for one.
2022-04-29 23:23:27	BrainDamage	but you were too busy flaming to read it
2022-04-29 23:23:31	MacGyver	But I'll tell you now, this won't be the last time you need to update the keyring separately.
2022-04-29 23:23:47	MacGyver	Adding a packager has a similar effect if you're unlucky with timing your updates.
2022-04-29 23:23:48	rabbitnightmare	BrainDamage sorry not flaming just pissed off
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2022-04-29 23:25:11	BrainDamage	look, I understand that you can be emotionaly upset about this, and while I agree that the mechanism on arch's side being not automatic is not what you'd espect, it's not without an easy fix even if manual
2022-04-29 23:25:29	rabbitnightmare	thats fine and all
2022-04-29 23:25:33	BrainDamage	and pouring a torrent of vitriol on the channel doesn't make it easier neither on us or you
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2022-04-29 23:27:23	rabbitnightmare	hold on the ssh computer that handles everything is down
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2022-04-29 23:29:48	rabbitnightmare	I have never had an update cause this much trouble
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2022-04-29 23:30:10	rabbitnightmare	I usually send it out as a cron job
2022-04-29 23:30:14	MacGyver	So what I don't get is, usually you'd just abort the upd... ah.
2022-04-29 23:30:44	rabbitnightmare	I test things in a vm and if they work, I ssh in and send sudo pacman -Syyu if things seem fine
2022-04-29 23:30:49	BrainDamage	the update should halt in the "check the keys" step, unless you do a partial update
2022-04-29 23:30:58	MacGyver	BrainDamage: it probably did.
2022-04-29 23:31:06	rabbitnightmare	it may have partially updated and fubarred everything
2022-04-29 23:31:14	Namarrgon	unattended updates aren't a thing with arch
2022-04-29 23:31:15	MacGyver	But since the -Sy already went through, something subsequently happened.
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2022-04-29 23:31:25	MacGyver	Installing anything, really.
2022-04-29 23:31:30	rabbitnightmare	Namarrgon now I know
2022-04-29 23:31:41	MacGyver	So we're probably not just dealing with a keyring issue but with a partial upgrade.
2022-04-29 23:31:54	rabbitnightmare	ill just rebuild the sd cards
2022-04-29 23:32:06	MacGyver	This is still recoverable, mind.
2022-04-29 23:32:07	rabbitnightmare	make 1 then dd it off for the others
2022-04-29 23:32:18	MacGyver	Dunno how attached you are to those systems.
2022-04-29 23:32:25	rabbitnightmare	the data is stored on different drives than the OS
2022-04-29 23:32:54	◣	rv1sr (~rv1sr@user/rv1sr) ha salido ()
2022-04-29 23:32:58	BrainDamage	I run unattended updates all the time on a pc I don't care much about, but it doesn't break itself this way because it just -Syu's
2022-04-29 23:33:42	BrainDamage	if you -Syu, it tries to download all the packages at once, and will bail if a single of them doesn't pass signature check
2022-04-29 23:33:51	rabbitnightmare	error linimh couldnt be imported
2022-04-29 23:33:58	rabbitnightmare	pgp key invalid
2022-04-29 23:34:05	rabbitnightmare	I type the command and thats the output
2022-04-29 23:34:06	BrainDamage	!ix
2022-04-29 23:34:06	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
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2022-04-29 23:34:19	MacGyver	Right, yeah, but what does `pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring` do?
2022-04-29 23:34:20	rabbitnightmare	I dont have irc installed
2022-04-29 23:34:30	BrainDamage	nah, just type it manually
2022-04-29 23:34:32	BrainDamage	it's short
2022-04-29 23:35:10	rabbitnightmare	MacGyver I type that command then type archinstall and this is the output
2022-04-29 23:35:18	rabbitnightmare	and a bunch of useless garbage that says it failed
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2022-04-29 23:36:06	thurstylark	this is the first time you've made it clear that you are still using archinstall even *after* being told that it's experimental and not supported here
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2022-04-29 23:36:42	MacGyver	Also I don't really care what the output of archinstall is, I care whether pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring succeeded *first*.
2022-04-29 23:36:47	thurstylark	^
2022-04-29 23:36:56	rabbitnightmare	yes it succeeded
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2022-04-29 23:37:19	MacGyver	Okay, so you now have an updated keyring. What does `pacman -Syu` do?
2022-04-29 23:37:52	rabbitnightmare	partition too full
2022-04-29 23:38:00	rabbitnightmare	you cant update a live iso
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2022-04-29 23:38:26	miezekatze	-Syu performs a full upgrade
2022-04-29 23:38:28	MacGyver	Well you can, that's what the update to archlinux-keyring did.
2022-04-29 23:38:30	CosmosAtlas	Recently, I went back to office, and updated my Arch machine from 2 years ago. I'm glad that the update event went through!
2022-04-29 23:38:41	rcf	In theory you can, it's a meaningless thing to propose, however. 
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2022-04-29 23:38:46	CosmosAtlas	I think the only fix I had to do was updating the arch keyring
2022-04-29 23:39:05	thurstylark	this is also the first time you've made *that* detail clear too. can you see where the calls for details and context are coming from yet?
2022-04-29 23:39:05	MacGyver	So what I'm wondering is, what happened on that thing that now makes archinstall fail to run.
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2022-04-29 23:39:26	MacGyver	You ran archinstall, it errored out with a keyring error. What happened next?
2022-04-29 23:39:40	rabbitnightmare	I thought after being dumped into a terminal things needed a fresh install so I am trying to build the sd cards
2022-04-29 23:40:00	rabbitnightmare	I get that this is outside of the wheelhouse of what arch is suppose to be
2022-04-29 23:40:08	rabbitnightmare	but I have never had this issue ever
2022-04-29 23:40:15	thurstylark	a full reinstall is rarely the only way to recover from an installation failure
2022-04-29 23:40:18	thurstylark	nor the best
2022-04-29 23:40:32	rabbitnightmare	well nothing would boot there friend
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2022-04-29 23:40:35	MacGyver	Something you did may have screwed up the image you're using though.
2022-04-29 23:40:42	rcf	thurstylark: the amusing thing is that the complaints about installers' impact on support requirements never stopped being valid even after an official installer was adopted... and there was no reason to believe otherwise... and yet here we are 
2022-04-29 23:40:51	rabbitnightmare	MacGyver its a fresh image from the download page
2022-04-29 23:41:18	thurstylark	rcf: c'est la vie
2022-04-29 23:41:34	MacGyver	And on that image, after *only* running pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring, archinstall says it can't import something?
2022-04-29 23:41:50	rabbitnightmare	whats amusing is the gatekeeping attitude so please if you dont want people to get pissed off please dont do that
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2022-04-29 23:42:24	rabbitnightmare	MacGyver before and after
2022-04-29 23:42:40	rabbitnightmare	doing it by hand as we type
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2022-04-29 23:43:18	thurstylark	right, getting back on the attitude is the best way to keep people around to help you. I'm sure that'll pay off handily for you.
2022-04-29 23:43:20	MacGyver	Now that is odd, because if that's a fresh image everything on it should be in good shape. Archinstall should be able to run at least until it gets to installing and not being able to verify the package(s) it's downloading.
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2022-04-29 23:43:41	rabbitnightmare	MacGyver thats what I am trying to tell yall
2022-04-29 23:43:49	rabbitnightmare	but fuck me right
2022-04-29 23:44:05	rabbitnightmare	"try it in a vm" "No."
2022-04-29 23:44:07	rabbitnightmare	wow
2022-04-29 23:44:18	MacGyver	That *is* what you told us initially. "error linimh couldn't be imported" is not the same thing.
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2022-04-29 23:45:18	MacGyver	And if the keyring update succeeded it *should* be able to continue past the package verification step.
2022-04-29 23:45:24	rabbitnightmare	yeah after running the gpg key update and pacstrap is giving the same linimh error
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2022-04-29 23:45:34	rabbitnightmare	sooooooooooooo yeah
2022-04-29 23:45:40	rabbitnightmare	ur shit is fucked
2022-04-29 23:45:47	rabbitnightmare	something is broken
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2022-04-29 23:46:27	rabbitnightmare	should and are are 2 different things
2022-04-29 23:47:04	rabbitnightmare	you're welcome for the report by the way
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2022-04-29 23:47:31	thurstylark	yeah, fuck you too, buddy
2022-04-29 23:47:32	MacGyver	*sigh*
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2022-04-29 23:48:19	MacGyver	I feel justified in maintaining my opinion about archinstall.
2022-04-29 23:48:32	MacGyver	That default script should be nuked >.<
2022-04-29 23:49:20	thurstylark	same here
2022-04-29 23:49:31	MacGyver	Maybe they're dealing with an outdated mirror on the keyring?
2022-04-29 23:49:37	MacGyver	Urgh, whatever.
2022-04-29 23:49:41	MacGyver	Useless to dwell.
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2022-04-29 23:58:12	thurstylark	they must be doing something wronger still. running `pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring` before using archinstall's default script worked just fine for me idgi
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2022-04-30 00:00:21	MacGyver	Yeah so I'm now thinking they're using an outdated mirror.
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2022-04-30 00:00:49	MacGyver	Dunno whether whatever the installer does with ranking mirrors ensures that doesn't happen?
2022-04-30 00:01:05	MacGyver	Can update the keyring all you want to the one from a week ago.
2022-04-30 00:01:17	MacGyver	Shame I didn't realize that before they ragequit.
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2022-04-30 00:01:47	MacGyver	I should go and offer them a refund.
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2022-04-30 12:08:25	shadowless	If I wanted to ask an arch package maintainer if we could get the package compiled with a paticular option turned on... what would be the proper way to go about asking this? 
2022-04-30 12:08:50	BrainDamage	open a ticket in the bug tracker
2022-04-30 12:09:29	shadowless	BrainDamage: Ok. Thank you
2022-04-30 12:10:21	shadowless	Oh I see, someone has already done that, nearly 4 years ago XD
2022-04-30 12:15:00	BrainDamage	what option was it?
2022-04-30 12:23:59	shadowless	BrainDamage: --enable-true-color on irssi
2022-04-30 12:24:02	shadowless	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/59531?project=1&string=irssi
2022-04-30 12:24:03	phrik	Title: FS#59531 : [irssi] Enable true color support (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2022-04-30 12:43:50	arch_user	can someone help me please? how to remove from right click menu some entry? I use thunar on xfce. When I try open text file I see from ppm open with qopenvpn or libreoffice math. Many thanks for any help. 
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2022-04-30 12:51:37	terzievk	Is emacs cliet-server by default now and how do you handle/open the gui emacs/emacs(client). I have emacs on Super+2 (gnome) and it used to work like a normal shortcut(switching to the window if there is any open or launching a new one) but now it just opens a new instance every time. If I switch to emacs(client) on the shortcut it switches back but it starts by opening a new frame which is
2022-04-30 12:51:37	terzievk	weird... How is it supposed to work now? And
2022-04-30 12:51:37	terzievk	why the change?
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2022-04-30 19:37:54	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-04-30 15:08:56	Namarrgon	"illegal qc_active transition" is unusual, maybe the controller is borked
2022-04-30 15:09:17	Namarrgon	Hello_World: which disk is that and what is it plugged into?
2022-04-30 15:20:49	davve	hey, is there a recommended installer for arch these days?
2022-04-30 15:21:23	lawliet	yo. I was trying to dual boot Windows with Arch, but when I open Windows installer, it doesn't detect my hard drive
2022-04-30 15:21:40	thingfish	davve: there is archinstall.  It's on the iso.
2022-04-30 15:21:59	davve	thingfish: cool, thanks!
2022-04-30 15:22:16	thingfish	no problem
2022-04-30 15:23:27	Scimmia	davve: the recommended way, as always, is by following the Installation Guide in the wiki
2022-04-30 15:23:50	thingfish	davve: you might still be better off doing it the "long" way.  I was lurking in here last night and recall seeing people talk about how something's messed up in it.
2022-04-30 15:24:02	thingfish	messed up with archinstall, that is.
2022-04-30 15:24:10	thingfish	I don't remember the details.
2022-04-30 15:24:10	lawliet	lol, yeah. Those installers are usually messy 
2022-04-30 15:24:47	lawliet	It only takes around 10 minutes manually anyway
2022-04-30 15:24:49	hiya	how to get logs for openvpn?
2022-04-30 15:24:53	thingfish	yeah really
2022-04-30 15:25:16	tomty89	lawliet: what kind of drive
2022-04-30 15:26:11	lawliet	tomty89: What do you mean? like ssd or hdd? it's a hdd
2022-04-30 15:26:35	tomty89	lawliet: hmm, typical SATA hdd?
2022-04-30 15:26:42	lawliet	tomty89: Yes
2022-04-30 15:28:24	tomty89	lawliet: I don't remember if Windows Setup shows partitions that of type that it doesn't recognize. How is it partitioned now? Can you show output of e.g. fdisk -l?
2022-04-30 15:28:29	tomty89	!pastebin
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2022-04-30 15:28:34	tomty89	!paste
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2022-04-30 15:28:42	davve	yeah i might try the manual way
2022-04-30 15:28:49	davve	lucky i have my work computer to refer to the wiki with
2022-04-30 15:29:02	davve	will need to do some recovery of my old installation beforehand too
2022-04-30 15:29:33	davve	copy my fstab hosts and qemu-machines
2022-04-30 15:29:40	tomty89	lawliet: or have you checked list disks in diskpart already
2022-04-30 15:29:41	Hello_World	Namarrgon: A 8TB WD My Book plugged into the Mobo with a SATA cable 
2022-04-30 15:30:47	lawliet	tomty89: Yes, I have checked it already, but if you need to see it anyway: https://bpa.st/4ARQ
2022-04-30 15:30:48	phrik	Title: View paste 4ARQ (at bpa.st)
2022-04-30 15:31:32	Hello_World	*shucked My Book
2022-04-30 15:31:53	tomty89	lawliet: maybe also `lspci -k`
2022-04-30 15:33:35	lawliet	https://bpa.st/CDQA
2022-04-30 15:33:36	phrik	Title: View paste CDQA (at bpa.st)
2022-04-30 15:36:41	tomty89	lawliet: Hmm no idea then. Unless the SATA controller happens to require some other device/driver for it to be exposed to an OS, but that shouldn't be the case unless it's some quirky laptop
2022-04-30 15:38:07	lawliet	tomty89: It's not a laptop. I've installed Windows several times on it before I decided to use Arch
2022-04-30 15:38:40	lawliet	Maybe my installer is broken
2022-04-30 15:38:45	nl6720	lawliet: are you booting the windows installer in UEFI mode?
2022-04-30 15:38:51	lawliet	Yep
2022-04-30 15:40:18	nl6720	I was thinking it's a boot mode / partition table incompatibility, but that's not it then
2022-04-30 15:40:40	Scimmia	it still could be if it has a dos/mbr partition table. Windows doens't support that combo
2022-04-30 15:41:01	nl6720	Scimmia: the paste above shows gpt
2022-04-30 15:41:07	Scimmia	oh, I misssed that
2022-04-30 15:41:34	nl6720	it could possible be because of "Partition table entries are not in disk order"
2022-04-30 15:42:03	lawliet	huh?
2022-04-30 15:42:13	nl6720	/dev/sda3  615018496 819818495 204800000  97.7G Linux filesystem
2022-04-30 15:42:13	nl6720	/dev/sda4   17827840 615018495 597190656 284.8G Linux filesystem
2022-04-30 15:42:23	nl6720	lawliet: see the starting sectors?
2022-04-30 15:42:26	lawliet	oh yeah
2022-04-30 15:42:37	nl6720	lawliet: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GPT_fdisk#Sort_partitions
2022-04-30 15:42:38	phrik	Title: GPT fdisk - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-30 15:43:27	nl6720	make sure you're not referring to the partition by its number anywhere
2022-04-30 15:44:42	lawliet	Well, so I need to sort these?
2022-04-30 15:45:12	nl6720	you can try. there's no guarantee it will solve the issue
2022-04-30 15:46:22	lawliet	Ok, I will try both changing the installer and sorting these then
2022-04-30 15:46:26	lawliet	Thanks :)
2022-04-30 15:46:58	lawliet	Because the Installer was made from outdated woeusb, I have doubts about it
2022-04-30 15:57:32	YourKalamity	Hey, I need some help with working out why my headless Arch box randomly crashes, is there some sort of log file that is written to before a system crashes?
2022-04-30 16:16:26	Namarrgon	Hello_World: aren't these all usb? or did you take it out of the case?
2022-04-30 16:16:53	Namarrgon	Yamakaja: the journal is your best bet. you can't rely on logs after unscheduled shutdowns
2022-04-30 16:18:37	Hello_World	Namarrgon: Ah yes I took it out
2022-04-30 17:21:28	Freneticks	Any idea why GTK4 theme of "arc-gtk-theme" pkg doesn't load, by default, and even If I force >>GTK_THEME=arc-ark:dark gnome-calculator Adwaita theme is loaded
2022-04-30 17:24:51	grawity	wow, that's a *lot* of qemu split packages
2022-04-30 17:35:11	thrice	why have 1, when you could have 70
2022-04-30 17:35:54	DeepDayze	so many flavors to choose from!
2022-04-30 17:36:43	Edu4rdSHL	Arch being Debian
2022-04-30 17:37:32	thrice	far less on debian, actually
2022-04-30 17:37:34	Naruni	hello, using a fresh install and trying to mount a mergerfs fstab entry, installed fuse3 and using the following fstab options. checked with mergerfs manpage and use_ino is still a valid option, but I keep getting a "fuse: Unknown parameter 'use_ino'" error in dmesg
2022-04-30 17:37:41	thrice	https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/qemu
2022-04-30 17:37:42	phrik	Title: Debian -- Details of source package qemu in sid (at packages.debian.org)
2022-04-30 17:37:52	Naruni	fuse.mergerfs noauto,defaults,allow_other,use_ino,cache.files=off,moveonenospc=true,category.create=mfs,dropcacheonclose=true,minfreespace=50G,fsname=mergerfs
2022-04-30 17:38:16	Edu4rdSHL	thrice, auch.
2022-04-30 17:39:03	thrice	that's a good metric, though.  "If our package split is 5x more than debian, could something be wrong?" :D
2022-04-30 17:40:02	Naruni	google/duckduck searches don't come up with much from "fuse: Unknown parameter 'use_ino'" it's hard to believe i'm the only one whoh has run into this
2022-04-30 17:48:13	Naruni	ok now this is really odd. installed fuse2 and now the mount command does not return an error, but the data is not available and the ls -l of the target dir is dorked up:
2022-04-30 17:48:25	Konomi	hi, does anyone know if this is a bug it seems sudoedit doesn't pick up on SUDO_EDITOR according to the manual if VISUAL isn't set sudoedit should fall back to SUDO_EDITOR but for me it just seems to complain that vi isn't installed? https://www.pastery.net/pgujvr/raw/
2022-04-30 17:48:29	Naruni	d?????????   ? ?    ?        ?            ? pool
2022-04-30 17:49:21	Edu4rdSHL	Konomi, why not just use `visudo`
2022-04-30 17:49:50	Konomi	Edu4rdSHL: I'm not interesting in using vi, I've set SUDO_EDITOR=micro
2022-04-30 17:49:58	Konomi	and I'm using the sudoedit command
2022-04-30 17:50:25	Edu4rdSHL	Zzz
2022-04-30 17:55:00	Scimmia	Konomi: is SUDO_EDITOR exported?
2022-04-30 17:55:05	Naruni	removing 'use_ino' still is having strange behavior when trying to mount, i think thihs is a mergerfs issue. i'll take it over there
2022-04-30 17:55:10	Konomi	Scimmia: yes see pastebin
2022-04-30 17:55:17	Scimmia	I did, it doesn't say
2022-04-30 17:55:23	mpan	Konomi: the pastebin only confirms it is set, not exported.
2022-04-30 17:56:54	mpan	Give us the output of: `SUDO_EDITOR=micro sudoedit /the/file`.
2022-04-30 17:57:00	Konomi	okay it works now thanks I thought set showed exported variables
2022-04-30 17:57:26	Konomi	thank you both
2022-04-30 17:58:54	susi	unless you export a variable, it's local to the shell where it was set
2022-04-30 18:23:17	pulec	if I wanna do 'systemctl suspend' on a remote machine without sudo I guess I can only do some polkit rules, eh?
2022-04-30 18:23:26	pulec	or sudo no passwd piggy thing
2022-04-30 18:23:51	Edu4rdSHL	polkit rules will works fine
2022-04-30 18:27:45	Betal	iam getting this error in pacman -Syu, 'thunar-archive-plugin: /usr/lib/xfce4/thunar-archive-plugin/org.kde.ark.tap exists in filesystem', what might cause it?
2022-04-30 18:33:23	HEX0	can anyone please confirm they're also having this preventing system update? https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/74597
2022-04-30 18:33:25	phrik	Title: FS#74597 : [libinih] PLEASE ENTER SUMMARY (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-04-30 18:33:43	repo	hi, i'm getting the following error fin systemd-networkd  Could not create stacked netdev: Invalid argument
2022-04-30 18:33:47	repo	*in
2022-04-30 18:34:00	repo	is there a way to get more verbose output
2022-04-30 18:34:28	Betal	HEX0: is archlinux-keyring in the 'to update' package list ?
2022-04-30 18:34:45	HEX0	Betal: yes
2022-04-30 18:34:50	another|	HEX0: update archlinux-keyring first
2022-04-30 18:35:11	Betal	HEX0: try to pacman -S archlinux-keyring, then pacman -Syu
2022-04-30 18:36:04	HEX0	silly me, didn't think of that. thanks it's fixed now
2022-04-30 18:36:46	susi	Betal: wouldn't 'pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring; pacman -Su' be even better
2022-04-30 18:37:07	Betal	susi: HEX0 he already have run pacman -Syu in the first try
2022-04-30 18:37:37	HEX0	yeah also tried resetting all keys etc https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Resetting_all_the_keys
2022-04-30 18:37:39	phrik	Title: pacman/Package signing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-30 18:44:03	HEX0	on a side note is anyone else ocd about making sure most packages are installed with --asdep "Install Reason  : Installed as a dependency for another package".
2022-04-30 18:48:59	susi	I have OCD but nothing about this
2022-04-30 18:51:14	susi	doesn't pacman usually have the needed info anyways?
2022-04-30 18:53:08	HEX0	if you do pacman -S package it's automatically marked as explicit. if it's some library dep type package thing then one day it might become unneeded but wouldn't become orphaned because of install reason
2022-04-30 18:55:58	susi	I rarely need to install deps manually
2022-04-30 18:56:20	thrice	if you need -S to install a dep of another package, you're doing something wrong
2022-04-30 18:58:52	DeepDayze	If there's ever a need to install a dep of some package that's a bug that needs to be filed
2022-04-30 18:59:16	DeepDayze	I am sure that
2022-04-30 18:59:43	DeepDayze	is true of some AUR packages as sometimes a dep may be left out of a PKGBUILD
2022-04-30 19:02:28	Khorne	Optional dependencies are a thing
2022-04-30 19:03:13	another|	just wanted to say this^^
2022-04-30 19:03:53	Khorne	Personally I usually never bother to mark them as deps though :')
2022-04-30 19:08:36	another|	here's a fun game to play once in a while: `pacman -Qqe | shuf -n 1`
2022-04-30 19:09:20	Naruni	anyone aware of systemd docker service taking very long time to start/not starting/ 'docker info' hanging / 'systemctl start docker' hanging?
2022-04-30 19:10:08	Naruni	the service is enabled but doesnt start at boot, says it's triggered by docker.socket
2022-04-30 19:11:11	Naruni	after about 3 minutes of uptime the service becomes active and 'docker info' operates properly
2022-04-30 19:11:15	susi	systemctl status docker
2022-04-30 19:11:33	Naruni	systemctl status docker
2022-04-30 19:11:35	Naruni	○ docker.service - Docker Application Container Engine
2022-04-30 19:11:36	Naruni	     Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/docker.service; enabled; vendor preset: disabled)
2022-04-30 19:11:38	Naruni	     Active: inactive (dead)
2022-04-30 19:11:39	Naruni	TriggeredBy: ● docker.socket
2022-04-30 19:11:41	Naruni	       Docs: https://docs.docker.com
2022-04-30 19:11:41	phrik	Title: Docker Documentation | Docker Documentation (at docs.docker.com)
2022-04-30 19:12:31	Naruni	after about 3 minutes thhe services becomes active: 
2022-04-30 19:12:32	Naruni	systemctl status docker
2022-04-30 19:12:34	Naruni	● docker.service - Docker Application Container Engine
2022-04-30 19:12:35	Naruni	     Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/docker.service; enabled; vendor preset: disabled)
2022-04-30 19:12:37	Naruni	     Active: active (running) since Sat 2022-04-30 10:08:43 PDT; 2min 9s ago
2022-04-30 19:13:21	another|	!paste
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2022-04-30 19:14:25	Naruni	dockerd[948]: time="2022-04-30T10:08:43-07:00" level=warning msg="file does not exist: /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6 : stat /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6
2022-04-30 19:14:47	Naruni	i wonder if that is causing a network timeout delay type thing. i do have ipv6 disabled in kernel options
2022-04-30 19:16:41	Naruni	time="2022-04-30T10:08:42.894930495-07:00" level=info msg="failed to read ipv6 net.ipv6.conf.<bridge>.accept_ra" bridge=docker0 syspath=/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/docker0
2022-04-30 19:17:57	another|	if you disable ipv6 completely on boot it might not be available
2022-04-30 19:30:27	Naruni	righht, that's the desired effect. not sure if it is related to docker hanging
2022-04-30 19:30:54	Naruni	i don't think it is, docker commands were hanging before i disabled ipv6
2022-04-30 19:32:52	susi	maybe docker can give you some logs, try launching it manually?
2022-04-30 19:37:19	Naruni	susi: i'll figure that out need a minute please
2022-04-30 19:37:54	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-04-30 19:40:26	Naruni	ok this is interesting, i stopped/disabled via systemctl stop docker and found this: https://bpa.st/FHXA
2022-04-30 19:40:26	phrik	Title: View paste FHXA (at bpa.st)
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2022-04-30 19:40:58	Naruni	maybe containerd needs to be enabled as well as docker service?
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2022-04-30 19:42:41	Naruni	nah that's unrelated, it's for LXC
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2022-04-30 19:44:00	Naruni	ok maybe it is related: https://bpa.st/WMJQ
2022-04-30 19:44:01	phrik	Title: View paste WMJQ (at bpa.st)
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2022-04-30 19:55:11	susi	Naruni: probably try killing extraneous instances (ps aux | grep dockerd) and retry
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2022-04-30 19:59:43	Edu4rdSHL	Naruni, run `systemctl log-level debug`, start docker again `systemctl start docker` and paste the journal logs
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2022-04-30 20:09:04	Naruni	Edu4rdSHL: i might have figured it out, there was a failed systemd wait for network service because one of my nic is not connected. systemd-networkd was trying to configure it for dhcp. i corrected the networkd service file and rebooted, started docker and it output 'docker info' without hanging at all.
2022-04-30 20:09:12	Naruni	Edu4rdSHL: here's the output you asked for: https://bpa.st/PYUA
2022-04-30 20:09:12	phrik	Title: View paste PYUA (at bpa.st)
2022-04-30 20:09:16	Naruni	thanks bothh of you
2022-04-30 20:09:32	Edu4rdSHL	Yw
2022-04-30 20:09:34	Edu4rdSHL	!next
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2022-04-30 20:09:35	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-04-30 20:10:56	Naruni	oh yes much better, docker info responds immediately after reboot
2022-04-30 20:11:14	Naruni	i really hate network wait delays in code
2022-04-30 20:12:06	Edu4rdSHL	Why?
2022-04-30 20:12:17	Edu4rdSHL	Hate the network interfaces not being properly configured
2022-04-30 20:12:19	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-04-30 20:13:22	dondon	i replaced every file in my boot partition with a picture of my dog. why doesn't my computer boot? 
2022-04-30 20:13:24	tomty89	Naruni: are you aware of RequiredForOnline= ?
2022-04-30 20:13:36	Naruni	sure, specifically that was on me to track down. in general thhe amount of hours i've spent watching a little blue wheel spin is staggering
2022-04-30 20:14:46	susi	did you see if you had multiple instances open left from your earlier experiments?
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2022-04-30 20:15:04	Naruni	tomty89: yes, thanks
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2022-04-30 20:15:34	tomty89	You can also disable systemd-networkd-wait-online.service after enabling systemd-networkd.service, heh
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2022-04-30 20:15:46	Naruni	susi: no, i had messed around a little too much with the services and sockets and reinstalled the packages to a clean slate
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2022-04-30 20:41:22	sheepy	my arch live USB is booting into emergency mode
2022-04-30 20:41:45	sheepy	it says "Waiting 30 seconds for device /dev/disk/by-label/ARCH_202204 ..."
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2022-04-30 20:42:45	Edu4rdSHL	sheepy, how do you copied the ISO to the USB?
2022-04-30 20:42:59	sheepy	i used balena etcher
2022-04-30 20:43:07	sheepy	i'll try reflashing it
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2022-04-30 20:43:25	Edu4rdSHL	Follow the instructions from the ArchWiki :)
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2022-04-30 20:43:58	sheepy	i torrented the iso, then used balena etcher to flash it to my usb drive
2022-04-30 20:44:30	another|	cp arch.iso /dev/disk/by-id/usb-<TAB>
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2022-04-30 20:44:46	thurstylark	sheepy: etcher is not advised as a method of writing the install medium: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/USB_flash_installation_medium#Inadvisable_methods
2022-04-30 20:44:47	phrik	Title: USB flash installation medium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-30 20:45:04	thurstylark	Follow any other advised method, and you should get better results
2022-04-30 20:45:12	sheepy	@thurstylark, oh! i didn't know that existed. thanks
2022-04-30 20:45:23	thurstylark	this page is what Edu4rdSHL was talking about
2022-04-30 20:45:52	sheepy	i see now. thanks a lot
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2022-04-30 20:49:37	agvantibo	Hello, is Arch Linux 32 supported here?
2022-04-30 20:50:01	thurstylark	Nope. different distro
2022-04-30 20:50:50	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Frequently_asked_questions#What_architectures_does_Arch_support?
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2022-04-30 20:50:51	phrik	Title: Frequently asked questions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-04-30 20:51:02	susi	sorry, only 33 and newer are supported
2022-04-30 20:51:30	agvantibo	thurstylark: Thanks, any ideas where I might get support for that?
2022-04-30 20:51:39	Edu4rdSHL	#archlinux32
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2022-04-30 20:52:15	agvantibo	Edu4rdSHL: Thank you very much
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2022-04-30 21:00:26	dirtcastle	say I built a package using using makepkg. can I manage it using pacman or aur package managers?  if I uninstall binaries will it keep the system clean? 
2022-04-30 21:00:53	Edu4rdSHL	dirtcastle, you can manage it using pacman, yes
2022-04-30 21:00:56	thurstylark	the goal of makepkg is to produce a package for pacman to install
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2022-04-30 21:01:28	Edu4rdSHL	In fact, when you use makepkg's -i option, it uses pacman to install the package
2022-04-30 21:01:33	dirtcastle	can I use configure options when building. 
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2022-04-30 21:01:44	dirtcastle	like gentoo use flags. 
2022-04-30 21:01:55	thurstylark	!give dirtcastle aw makepkg
2022-04-30 21:01:56	phrik	dirtcastle: Makepkg - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Makepkg
2022-04-30 21:02:03	thurstylark	!give dirtcastle aw PKGBUILD
2022-04-30 21:02:04	phrik	dirtcastle: PKGBUILD - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PKGBUILD
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2022-04-30 21:09:46	HEX0	was referring to pacman -S archlinux-keyring :P
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2022-04-30 21:24:59	dirtcastle	there is a software that is only supported in ubuntu officially. if I want on arch I have to build it. if I build it, it should work fine right? most probably? it's not like it can't be installed in the distro itself right? 
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2022-04-30 21:27:47	mpan	dirtcastle: right. Unless the authors intentionally try to prevent you from running it on different distros, but that is not something to be expected for FOSS.
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2022-04-30 21:28:13	dirtcastle	yes. thanks for your time everyone!
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2022-04-30 21:47:40	dirtcastle	how different is artix from arch. 
2022-04-30 21:48:00	dirtcastle	other than init system everything else is the same right?
2022-04-30 21:48:17	dirtcastle	is this the wrong place to ask?
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2022-04-30 22:05:45	dirtcastle	how different is artix from arch. other than init system everything else is the same right? is this the wrong place to ask?
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2022-04-30 22:09:49	heat	dirtcastle, maybe? i'd ask in their channel
2022-04-30 22:09:52	thurstylark	a bit, yeah. since artix is based on arch, they would have a better idea of those things
2022-04-30 22:09:55	heat	you'll probably have a better response there
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2022-04-30 22:58:16	VIA	hellou evry1!!!
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2022-04-30 22:58:23	thurstylark	!welcomerpg
2022-04-30 22:58:24	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux - How can we assist you?
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2022-04-30 22:59:43	VIA	whats a good archlinux-distro for a linux knob or perhaps slightly advanced linux user someone would recomend?
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2022-04-30 23:00:50	Namarrgon	either arch or something else entirely
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2022-04-30 23:03:01	Hydragyrum	most arch derivatives don't handle it well at all -- the exception being the ones that just act as an installer, and with the archinstall script you really don't need those anymore
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2022-04-30 23:05:05	VIA	im totally unfamiliar but hear nothing but good things. started with ubuntu based distroes and theyre mostly pretty danr sweet. i made a archlinux VM for testers not a week ago ( ok maybe a week) now all of a dudden some major bugs keeos on foinf (forgot noe ... roo xD
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2022-04-30 23:05:41	VIA	ty for inpuit Namarrgon Hydragyrum oioioi <3
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2022-04-30 23:09:00	madsquirrel	so what are your worries?
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2022-04-30 23:17:50	jkhsjdhjs	hey, I'm currently trying to setup matrix-appservice-irc in an lxc container. it gets killed on startup everytime by signal 31/SYS and I'm not sure what that means. there's not log output whatsoever. do you know how I can debug this?
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2022-05-01 12:21:32	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-05-01 10:04:50	k33n	inside chroot it complaings about being in the chroot
2022-05-01 10:04:57	k33n	let me go back in there
2022-05-01 10:07:08	Ghosthree3	if pacman absolutely refuses to work (this is weird btw, it should), you can probably pacstrap
2022-05-01 10:07:21	k33n	let me go back in there
2022-05-01 10:08:00	k33n	  Skipped: Running in chroot.
2022-05-01 10:08:13	Ghosthree3	what exactly is your full method?
2022-05-01 10:08:29	k33n	pacman -Syu iwd
2022-05-01 10:08:37	Scimmia	are you going to tell us exactly when that happens or not?
2022-05-01 10:08:45	k33n	at the end
2022-05-01 10:08:54	k33n	while im in the arch-chroot
2022-05-01 10:09:04	Ghosthree3	no i mean what are you doing to even get to that point, mount /dev/sdX /mnt && arch-chroot /mnt && pacman -S ... ?
2022-05-01 10:09:05	k33n	it downloads the package
2022-05-01 10:09:23	Scimmia	k33n: specifically. Pacman does a bunch of different things
2022-05-01 10:09:36	k33n	mount /dev/nvmep4 /mnt
2022-05-01 10:09:39	Scimmia	what, exactly, is it doing when you see that error
2022-05-01 10:09:50	k33n	mount /dev/nvmep5 /mnt/boot
2022-05-01 10:09:57	k33n	then the arch-chroot /mnt
2022-05-01 10:10:03	k33n	and then the pacman -Syu
2022-05-01 10:10:13	Ghosthree3	paste service the full pacman output then probably
2022-05-01 10:10:36	Ghosthree3	if you exit the chroot can you just `pacstrap /mnt iwd` though
2022-05-01 10:10:48	Scimmia	$10 says it's systemd throwing this from a hook, which is a non-issue
2022-05-01 10:10:54	k33n	https://pastebin.com/auvdd17Q
2022-05-01 10:10:55	phrik	Title: [root@archiso /]# pacman -Syu iwd:: Synchronizing package databases... core - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-05-01 10:10:55	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oAjF.txt
2022-05-01 10:11:12	Scimmia	yep. So there is no error
2022-05-01 10:11:23	Scimmia	iwd installed just fine
2022-05-01 10:11:41	k33n	and network managet too??
2022-05-01 10:11:47	k33n	then why arent they working
2022-05-01 10:11:51	Ghosthree3	yea that's all fine, just some post-transaction hooks that depend on active services didn't fire
2022-05-01 10:12:05	Scimmia	first, they don't work inside the chroot. Second, you're just guessing at binary names
2022-05-01 10:12:11	Ghosthree3	at the very start it even has a warning that it's up to date and reinstalling
2022-05-01 10:12:40	Ghosthree3	k33n: yea iwd is not the binary you're looking for, you want to enable/start iwd.service then run `iwctl`
2022-05-01 10:13:06	Ghosthree3	see wiki page, iwd isn't a binary, which you can see if you do `pacman -Ql iwd | grep bin`
2022-05-01 10:20:22	k33n	hmm so i rebooted. i guess /usr/bin/ isnt in my path? but running /usr/bin/iwctl just says waiting for iwd to start...
2022-05-01 10:20:39	k33n	shouldnt there be an easy way just to get the ethernet connected
2022-05-01 10:20:49	k33n	dhcpd says its not listening 
2022-05-01 10:20:55	k33n	ip link dosent work
2022-05-01 10:21:58	Scimmia	k33n: spend more time reading the wiki
2022-05-01 10:22:24	sim590	when I run e2fsck on my file system, I'm getting a message about the size of the file system not being consistent between the super block and the physical device. The physical device is smaller. It may have happened because I didn't resize my file system smaller than some of the containers in the stack physical(logical(luks(ext4))) but exactly the same size... Can I fix this ?
2022-05-01 10:22:32	k33n	the wiki is great but even reading alot of the wiki assumes you alredy know alot
2022-05-01 10:22:46	k33n	arch is no joke
2022-05-01 10:24:58	Patrick14159	when you open other (explanatory) sites next to the arch wiki it wont be jealous
2022-05-01 10:30:09	k33n	 thank you
2022-05-01 10:30:32	k33n	systemctl start systemd-networkd
2022-05-01 10:30:36	k33n	got me online
2022-05-01 10:31:36	k33n	im hoping enable makes it persistent
2022-05-01 10:37:33	shadowless	you can do that with systemctl, you can find it on the arch wiki page for systemd
2022-05-01 10:37:51	PapuaHardyNet	`iwctl` isn't connecting to the WiFi access point. I use `station wlan0 show` in `iwctl` shell and it tells that it is in a state of "connecting" and "Is DHCP client configured?"
2022-05-01 10:40:03	Scimmia	PapuaHardyNet: well is it?
2022-05-01 10:40:26	PapuaHardyNet	It's the installation image, I believe it is configured.
2022-05-01 10:41:17	PapuaHardyNet	I'm on the first step of the installation process -- connecting to the internet. (I could use a LAN port although it would be inconvenient)
2022-05-01 10:41:34	k33n	im not sure that my wifi card is working yet
2022-05-01 10:41:41	k33n	maybe thats why iwdctl never loads
2022-05-01 10:42:12	k33n	i am pretty happy with the progress so far. i never thought id see linux working on the macbook with the touch bar
2022-05-01 12:08:52	J_Darnley	After updating on Friday I see that samba mounts don't reconnect (or something) after hibernation.
2022-05-01 12:09:08	J_Darnley	I don't suppose anyone else has noticed that?
2022-05-01 12:13:13	PapuaHardyNet	after installation with FDE, grub keeps complaining that the device whose UUID I provided in `/etc/default/grub` isn't found. help?
2022-05-01 12:20:20	madsquirrel	resume device?
2022-05-01 12:21:28	madsquirrel	run livecd, note swap UUID, run system, stop Grub counting, edit kernel command line 'e', Ctrl+X ,adjust settings etc.
2022-05-01 12:21:32	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-05-01 12:22:18	madsquirrel	hard method: chroot info system on disk, adjust /etc/default/grub, update-grub, mkinitcpio -P, reboot
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2022-05-01 12:22:45	madsquirrel	ejnoy! :D
2022-05-01 12:23:46	PapuaHardyNet	madsquirrel: I tried both the `lsblk -dno UUID /dev/sda2` UUID, and the different UUID in `/etc/fstab` as the device-UUID for grub, and both didn't work
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2022-05-01 12:24:20	madsquirrel	in /etc/fstab you may use LABEL=
2022-05-01 12:24:36	madsquirrel	first you have to label your partitions
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2022-05-01 12:25:33	madsquirrel	UUIDS in /etc/fstab AND in /etc/default/grub (if any, probably RESUME=) must match UUID from command:
2022-05-01 12:25:35	madsquirrel	lsblk -f
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2022-05-01 12:27:07	madsquirrel	read Arch Wiki about arch-chroot
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2022-05-01 12:30:55	Ghosthree3	Khorne: assume you solved it at this point but as i said you need to start iwd.service, that's hwy iwctl says waiting for iwd to start
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2022-05-01 12:31:24	Ghosthree3	oh he left and i tab failed
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2022-05-01 12:31:48	PapuaHardyNet	madsquirrel: I tried both UUIDs `lsblk -f` returns (the unencrypted partition, and the default encrypted partition). Both result in grub saying "no device found"
2022-05-01 12:31:49	Ghosthree3	weird that he said /usr/bin wasn't in his PATH
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2022-05-01 12:35:49	PapuaHardyNet	I think I'll redo everything and try it with a non-encrypted boot partition
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2022-05-01 12:39:34	Ghosthree3	PapuaHardyNet: you added the correct hooks and modules to mkinitcpio's config and rebuilt the initramfs with them right? double check the args you used for specifying the crypt device are correct too (ie. either the systemd ones or NOT the systemd ones if you didn't use sd-encrypt). the sda2 uuid is the one you want, not the one in fstab (which will be the uuid of the decrypted /dev/mapper/
2022-05-01 12:39:34	Ghosthree3	container)
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2022-05-01 12:39:59	Ghosthree3	madsquirrel: never used labels in my life honestly
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2022-05-01 12:44:21	PapuaHardyNet	Yep, doublechecked. It all looks good. I'd put images of the relevant parts of the files here but I don't think that's endouraged. 
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2022-05-01 12:45:18	ℹ 	Lord_of_Life_ es conocido ahora como Lord_of_Life
2022-05-01 12:45:43	Ghosthree3	you can paste logs
2022-05-01 12:45:47	Ghosthree3	!paste
2022-05-01 12:45:47	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-05-01 13:01:31	sorta	dark reader doesn't seem to work on wiki.archlinux.org on firefox. I just can't toggle the dark mode, any help/advice?
2022-05-01 13:02:22	BrainDamage	worksforme
2022-05-01 13:03:45	BrainDamage	what did you set for theme selection mode?
2022-05-01 13:09:32	sorta	BrainDamage: its on default
2022-05-01 13:09:37	sorta	which is dynamic i think
2022-05-01 13:19:38	PapuaHardyNet	success. The issue was that I hadn't mounted the unencrypted `/boot` partition before doing the required things. 
2022-05-01 13:19:49	PapuaHardyNet	Next up, debug why wifi doesn't work
2022-05-01 13:19:55	sorta	good luck
2022-05-01 13:32:14	PapuaHardyNet	thanks :D. although, I can't even get the LAN to work. I assume this is because I didn't install any networking packages during the installation process. I'm unsure which packages to install -- any advice for plug-and-play networking?
2022-05-01 13:32:48	nika	iwd 
2022-05-01 13:33:43	PapuaHardyNet	That's just a wireless daemon, unfortunately. I'm concerned that the LAN doesn't work
2022-05-01 13:34:01	PapuaHardyNet	also yes, I tried iwd (via `iwctl`) and I simply got a hanged process
2022-05-01 13:38:38	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-05-01 13:45:16	teraflops	either reboot into arch iso and install a network management tool or setup wired nic ip address gateway and dns manually so you are able to install a network management tool
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2022-05-01 14:01:41	PapuaHardyNet	teraflops: thank you! I did a chroot and installed `networkmanager`.
2022-05-01 14:01:53	PapuaHardyNet	after that it all works.
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2022-05-01 14:18:43	schnupsi	Hi, I have a Laptop with  LAN Card that has a HARDSWITCH for wifi. I made an update and now my LAN is not working. I can paste my dmesg, but i didn't gather any useful information. I also reloaded the kernel driver but it didn't work. The LAN connection I use works with two diffrent windows machine...
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2022-05-01 14:22:14	Namarrgon	is this a wired or wireless connection?
2022-05-01 14:22:55	schnupsi	i am currently using a wireless connection because my wired connection does not work.
2022-05-01 14:23:20	Namarrgon	which chipset is it?
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2022-05-01 14:24:27	schnupsi	The hardware connected to my laptop does work. If i type ip a i dont get a ip adress in return.
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2022-05-01 14:24:44	schnupsi	Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection I218-LM (rev 04) DeviceName:  Onboard LAN Subsystem: Dell Device 05ca
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2022-05-01 14:25:17	Namarrgon	what tooling are you using to manage the connections?
2022-05-01 14:25:34	schnupsi	I think i installed NetworkManager
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2022-05-01 14:25:40	Namarrgon	does 'ip link' show the wired interface?
2022-05-01 14:25:48	Namarrgon	"tree /etc/systemd/system"
2022-05-01 14:26:13	schnupsi	ip link shows the ethernet. It is flagged as down mode
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2022-05-01 14:27:02	schnupsi	❯ tree /etc/systemd/system
2022-05-01 14:27:02	schnupsi	/etc/systemd/system
2022-05-01 14:27:02	schnupsi	├── dbus-org.freedesktop.nm-dispatcher.service -> /usr/lib/systemd/system/NetworkManager-dispatcher.service
2022-05-01 14:27:05	schnupsi	├── getty.target.wants
2022-05-01 14:27:07	schnupsi	│   └── getty@tty1.service -> /usr/lib/systemd/system/getty@.service
2022-05-01 14:27:10	schnupsi	├── grub-btrfs.path
2022-05-01 14:27:13	schnupsi	├── multi-user.target.wants
2022-05-01 14:27:14	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+o Namarrgon] por ChanServ
2022-05-01 14:27:15	schnupsi	│   ├── cronie.service -> /usr/lib/systemd/system/cronie.service
2022-05-01 14:27:17	◣	Namarrgon ha expulsado schnupsi (schnupsi)
2022-05-01 14:29:03	PapuaHardyNet	he was manually copying and pasting the lines? darn.
2022-05-01 14:29:15	dirtcastle	!ix
2022-05-01 14:29:15	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
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2022-05-01 14:31:03	PapuaHardyNet	question: Is `pacman -S archlinux-keyring` basically a warhammer I can use anytime I get keyring issues with pacman?
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2022-05-01 15:51:24	heythere221	Hey is here someone who knows nftables?
2022-05-01 15:51:34	thurstylark	!anyone
2022-05-01 15:51:35	phrik	Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2022-05-01 15:52:16	heythere221	Im trying to set up a VPN kilsitch the problem is my VPN doenst connect with the tables ive written and Im not sure where the "mistake" is
2022-05-01 16:10:55	cyphertite	heythere221:  which VPN? and post your 'rules'
2022-05-01 16:13:43	heythere221	cyphertite: where can I upload my rules?
2022-05-01 16:14:01	thurstylark	!paste
2022-05-01 16:14:02	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-05-01 16:15:14	heythere221	cyphertite: https://paste.rs/NdM
2022-05-01 16:15:21	heythere221	cyphertite: this are my rules
2022-05-01 16:16:16	heythere221	cyphertite: I tried to translate this: https://paste.rs/OVU which is the official guide from the VPN written in iptables to the nftables syntax
2022-05-01 16:16:44	heythere221	I replaced eth with my adapter listed under "ip a"
2022-05-01 16:19:01	heythere221	Im obviously using the openvpn configs that are withing the ip ranges contained in the nft rules 
2022-05-01 16:22:37	cyphertite	heythere221:  I use openvpn config files (with 100s of locations) provided by my VPN - and I run nftables as my firewall.  No extra nftables configuration required on my end
2022-05-01 16:23:10	tirnanog	heythere221: the input chain is wholly useless. it can be removed without affecting the ruleset.
2022-05-01 16:23:21	heythere221	cyphertite: Im not using the official gui just the openvpn config so i dont have a killswitch which I have to set up my own
2022-05-01 16:23:36	tirnanog	heythere221: that aside, I would suggest adding a "meta nftrace set 1" rule just above the first rule that references "wlo1*". then, run "nft monitor trace", go through your test case and observe.
2022-05-01 16:25:07	heythere221	tirnanog: I see thx. Guess I have to practice my nft skills...
2022-05-01 16:25:20	heythere221	thx for the suggestions I try that out 
2022-05-01 16:25:52	heythere221	So the translation is completely wrong or jus the input chain?
2022-05-01 16:26:09	tirnanog	I didn't say the translation is wrong. I simply said that the input chain is useless, which it is.
2022-05-01 16:26:23	mingdao	heythere221: There is also #netfilter; Netfilter, iptables/nftables, Linux Network setup in general
2022-05-01 16:26:24	heythere221	tirnanog: Is it also useless in the iptables syntax?
2022-05-01 16:26:27	tirnanog	it's spending some amount of cpu cycles to do nothing but possibly accept anyway.
2022-05-01 16:26:40	tirnanog	at that point, there's no point in even setting up the input hook.
2022-05-01 16:26:50	heythere221	tirnanog: I see
2022-05-01 16:27:16	tirnanog	heythere221: I can't answer the last question because the iptables version misses out the critical detail of whether the default policy would be DROP or ACCEPT for the INPUT chain.
2022-05-01 16:27:29	tirnanog	ergo, there's no instance of -P INPUT ...
2022-05-01 16:27:56	tirnanog	yet another good reason to deal with iptables-save/iptables-restore which doesn't leave out such details.
2022-05-01 16:28:07	heythere221	tirnanog: right noticed that too. Its from here: https://mullvad.net/en/help/linux-openvpn-installation/
2022-05-01 16:28:08	phrik	Title: OpenVPN installation on Linux - Guides | Mullvad VPN (at mullvad.net)
2022-05-01 16:28:20	heythere221	either Im missing something or the "tutorial" is wrong?
2022-05-01 16:28:26	tirnanog	it's sloppy, I would say.
2022-05-01 16:28:52	tirnanog	they probably _mean_ for it to be -P INPUT DROP but, then, it would be mostly undone by the two contained rules anyway.
2022-05-01 16:29:33	heythere221	tirnanog: Great. So I do I properly set up a killswitch? Is there a read about it somewhere?
2022-05-01 16:29:40	heythere221	Cause the archwiki references the link I sent you
2022-05-01 16:29:52	heythere221	On how to set it up with that particular VPN provider
2022-05-01 16:29:53	tirnanog	actually, not quite. I see what they are trying to do. allow lo (makes sense) and broadcast (not sure why). yeah, they almost certainly meant -P INPUT DROP.
2022-05-01 16:30:49	heythere221	tirnanog: But do you have an idea why I have no internmet connection at all while this ruleset is being actoive?
2022-05-01 16:31:07	tirnanog	heythere221: not off-hand, which is why I suggest you trace the packet flow.
2022-05-01 16:31:13	heythere221	ah right
2022-05-01 16:31:20	heythere221	will try thx 
2022-05-01 16:31:58	tirnanog	what is it that's supposed to work while the ruleset is active? it's good to define a test case also.
2022-05-01 16:32:09	tirnanog	I think you were saying that you couldn't get openvpn to complete its connection process?
2022-05-01 16:32:28	heythere221	trinity: Yes openvpn failed to connect to the vpn
2022-05-01 16:32:35	tirnanog	ok.
2022-05-01 16:33:07	tirnanog	so you would try to do that while running nft monitor trace. you do need the aforementioned rule to do activate tracing.
2022-05-01 16:33:37	tirnanog	basically, once nftrace is set to 1, the flow of the packet is observed from thereon until it reaches a conclusion.
2022-05-01 16:33:42	heythere221	tirnanog: Yeah I'll try that out now. Thx for your help.
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2022-05-01 19:33:44	FatAlbert	the question how that relevant is irrelevant
2022-05-01 19:34:36	BiggusDiggus	Hi, could anyone please contact Maxime Gauduin and tell him that SVT-AV1 package that he maintains has been incorrectly flagged as out of date for the last few months and 1.0.0 has been out for like week now and no one can flag the package out of date since no one really bothered unflagging it when 0.9.0 was released? Thanks
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2022-05-01 19:36:42	mpan	BiggusDiggus: fortunately there is really no need for that, as the flagging is not having major impact on maintainers’ work. It’s not like some horrible tragedy has happened because someone has marked it incorrectly. :)
2022-05-01 19:37:06	thurstylark	BiggusDiggus: the current ood flag note mentions 0.9.1, but whenever the maintainer gets to it, they'll go directly to the highest version released, so nbd :)
2022-05-01 19:37:11	mpan	Also it only means that there is some new version, so the maintainer will notice it anyway — no matter what version it is.
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2022-05-01 19:38:33	BiggusDiggus	mpan: that package has been updated many times while still being flagged "out of date" or perhaps it was simply never unflagged due to lazyness or whatever 
2022-05-01 19:38:55	mpan	Or maybe someone re-flagged it. Hard to tell. But not an issue to worry about.
2022-05-01 19:38:57	BiggusDiggus	would be nice if packages got flagged, were updated and unflagged so they could get flagged again when update comes
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2022-05-01 19:39:09	BiggusDiggus	Check the dates, they don't add up
2022-05-01 19:39:51	BiggusDiggus	It was flagged out of date in February but last update is from March, that simply shouldn't happen
2022-05-01 19:40:10	Namarrgon	update it locally for now
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2022-05-01 19:40:40	Khorne	Unless there is a reason it wasn't updated to the next major release..
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2022-05-01 19:41:09	thurstylark	0.9.1 was released 2022-02-23, and the current flag was made on 2022-02-24, and references 0.9.1. The current packaged version is 0.9.0, so everything checks out date-wise.
2022-05-01 19:41:12	◣	EricG (~EricG@138.199.6.237) ha salido (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2022-05-01 19:41:31	mpan	BiggusDiggus: anyway, if that is really of value to you: <https://archlinux.org/people/trusted-users/#alucryd>.
2022-05-01 19:41:32	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Trusted Users (at archlinux.org)
2022-05-01 19:41:42	thurstylark	there just hasn't been an update to anything past 0.9.0 yet, that's all
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2022-05-01 19:44:07	thurstylark	and yes, the Last Updated date is 2022-03-06, but if you hit the View Changes button to check the commit history on the package, you'll see that 0.9.0 was simply rebuilt for package signing key reasons
2022-05-01 19:44:41	physkets	Hi!  When I try to update with `pacman -Syu`, I keep getting an error that says that the `libinih` file is corrupted because the signature from Maxime Gaudin is unkown trust
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2022-05-01 19:44:44	physkets	What do I do?
2022-05-01 19:44:44	thurstylark	which is why it's at -2 now
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2022-05-01 19:44:54	thurstylark	!give physkets fixkeyring
2022-05-01 19:44:56	phrik	physkets: Your keyring issue would be probably fixed by: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
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2022-05-01 19:45:56	physkets	Thanks thurstylark 
2022-05-01 19:46:01	thurstylark	np :)
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2022-05-01 19:46:12	thurstylark	small nag, but does anyone mind if I put backticks around the commands in !fixkeyring
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2022-05-01 19:48:22	another|	I still think this should be on the website
2022-05-01 19:48:44	thurstylark	as in a news post?
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2022-05-01 19:49:14	another|	yes
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2022-05-01 19:50:16	mpan	another|: keeping the system updated is already a requirement and it would be weird to post such news each time the keyring is updated.
2022-05-01 19:50:41	mpan	s/would be weird/I would see it as weird/
2022-05-01 19:50:43	thurstylark	yeah, this is kind of business as usual...
2022-05-01 19:50:54	another|	yes, but this requires a partial update in some cases
2022-05-01 19:51:14	mpan	No, it does not. A temporary partial upgrade is needed only after someone fails to update their system.
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2022-05-01 19:51:41	thurstylark	it's not really a partial update when you get out of it immediately
2022-05-01 19:51:56	thurstylark	just package install ordering
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2022-05-01 19:52:24	another|	which is still a common enough issue that we answer it multiple times a day in here
2022-05-01 19:53:35	mpan	another|: in the 12 years of using Arch I did not encounter it.
2022-05-01 19:53:35	thurstylark	I can't speak for those that decide what is news-worthy, but the vibe I'm getting is that this just doesn't rise to that level
2022-05-01 19:53:44	thurstylark	and I tend to agree
2022-05-01 19:54:06	another|	YMMV
2022-05-01 19:54:50	mpan	another|: the point is, that’s not something you would encounter during a normal update, that requires you to do something non-standard. It’s an effect of failing to update the system regularly and, as such, it means the system is broken. :)
2022-05-01 19:54:57	astralc	it is mentioned in several places in the wiki, like here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Upgrade_system_regularly
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2022-05-01 19:54:58	phrik	Title: pacman/Package signing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-01 19:55:51	another|	Ah, great
2022-05-01 19:56:14	mpan	another|: recently you might have noticed that more often on IRC, because there were two or so occurances of frequent, repeated keyring updates with very short times between the their release and packages depending on that. But that’s not often either.
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2022-05-01 19:56:58	mpan	Plus IIRC one case of pacman-keyring being wrong.
2022-05-01 19:57:04	thurstylark	one of the main reasons that we're seeing it a lot in this instance is that someone lost access to their package sighing key, and needed to cycle it out to do package updates, and then did a package update pretty soon after getting their new key into the keyring. This means there was only a small window between the keyring being updated, and libinih being updated where users could update
2022-05-01 19:57:06	thurstylark	normally without encountering this issue
2022-05-01 19:57:32	Arenlor	Yeah, two days fell between new keyring and new libinih.
2022-05-01 19:58:02	another|	I guess it becomes a question of "How often is regularly?"
2022-05-01 19:58:21	thurstylark	mpan++ and on top of that, each user who comes in and is given the instructions for how to fix it are learning a new thing, and are less likely to need direct support next time they encounter this kind of issue
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2022-05-01 19:59:23	Arenlor	I would put weight on, how often are people expected to be updating. If it's daily, then this is "didn't follow instructions" if it's weekly, then yeah, maybe a pip.
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2022-05-01 20:01:40	thurstylark	like, I get it, it's repetitive. I closed 3 bugs about this yesterday alone. But each of those reporters learned a new thing, and they won't need their hand held through this problem again. 
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2022-05-01 20:05:49	kevku	isnt the recommendded thing in pgp to to have an offline master key and then bunch of subkeys?
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2022-05-01 20:06:35	thurstylark	I think that if anything needs changed, it should be the Upgrade System Regularly section on the Pacman/Package_signing page to note this kind of situation can happen, but idk :P
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2022-05-01 20:08:31	mpan	I do not know what news policies are, but I expect to be notified when a routine -Syu requires a non-standard operation that affects all/majority of given package’s users. archlinux-keyring breakage is not fitting that description. *IMO*
2022-05-01 20:09:01	mpan	What could be done, though, is pacman having an option to update a list of packages before all other packages, in a separate ALPM session. Then various keyrings could be added to such a list.
2022-05-01 20:09:58	mpan	Or making error messages more descriptive.
2022-05-01 20:11:11	astralc	like really old pacman versions doing pacman upgrade before everything else?
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2022-05-01 20:11:38	@Foxboron	mpan: that was implemented but nobody managed to fix all the implications of such a feature
2022-05-01 20:11:51	@Foxboron	Manjaro even retains the patch even though it's broken beyond the simple usecases
2022-05-01 20:12:22	mpan	Foxboron: oh. What are the implications?
2022-05-01 20:12:27	repo	hey o/ i'm trying to set up a systemd-networkd based router and i'm having some issues forwarding dhcp responses to the correct physical port it seems. Two of my 3 physical interfaces are part of a bridge called "lan". The bridge uses vlan filtering and passes through vlans 10-40 and sets egress untagged 40 as well as pvid 40
2022-05-01 20:12:56	@Foxboron	mpan: The implementation was super simple and would install the dependency chain (or something). So if you had any complicated dependency chains in the SyncFirst option it would be more broken
2022-05-01 20:12:58	repo	so on top of "lan" there are some vlan ifaces (10,20,30 and 40)
2022-05-01 20:13:22	mpan	Hmm
2022-05-01 20:14:09	mpan	Perhaps it could be limited to packages with no dependencies?
2022-05-01 20:14:29	repo	so when i connect my laptop directly to port 3 ("intern1", part of "lan"), i can sniff the DHCP requests on each of the relevant interfaces (intern1, lan and cfg (vlan 40)). The responses however get lost between lan and intern1.
2022-05-01 20:14:53	@Foxboron	mpan: I dont recall all the issues with it :/ The feature was called 'SyncFirst' if you wanna dig into it
2022-05-01 20:14:59	mpan	ok, thanks
2022-05-01 20:15:07	thurstylark	kevku: from what I understand, `pacman-key --init` generates a new master key unique to your system, and then `pacman-key --populate archlinux` imports the keyring shipped in the archlinux-keyring package to this new keyring. Is that what you mean?
2022-05-01 20:15:56	repo	im using nftables and i'm logging dropped packets but i don't see any DHCP responses being blocked.
2022-05-01 20:16:18	mpan	I have also realized that searching for keyring errors in DDG is not leading to the relevant wiki page. 
2022-05-01 20:16:28	kevku	i mean the people losing their keys all the time should use subkeys so they dont have to make a new master key every time
2022-05-01 20:16:48	@Foxboron	kevku: Who loose their keys?
2022-05-01 20:16:52	repo	ah no not true!
2022-05-01 20:17:01	ℹ 	NoSQL es conocido ahora como SQL
2022-05-01 20:17:13	repo	i see the responses being blocked in the input chain: Dropped input: IN=cfg OUT= MACSRC=40:00:40:11:90:15 MACDST=45:c0:01:16:9e:d9 MACPROTO=0a28 SRC=10.40.0.1 DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=278 TOS=0x00 PREC=0xC0 TTL=64 ID=40665 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=67 DPT=68 LEN=258
2022-05-01 20:17:38	repo	10.40.0.1 is the static ip of the cfg interface (vlan 40)
2022-05-01 20:17:38	@Foxboron	Right, you are going off on what thurstylark writes. It's not why you keep seeing the issues
2022-05-01 20:18:00	thurstylark	yeah, I misunderstood where you were headed with your question, so I'm off on a different thing
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2022-05-01 20:21:37	thurstylark	repo: so, your dhcp server isn't on your router box, but on something else, and your router box is sitting between your client and dhcp server?
2022-05-01 20:21:44	thurstylark	am I understanding that right?
2022-05-01 20:21:56	repo	thurstylark: no systemd-networkd is the dhcp server
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2022-05-01 20:22:32	repo	but yeah it's weird that it's an _incoming_ packet
2022-05-01 20:22:53	thurstylark	repo: can you post your .network files to a paste service? 
2022-05-01 20:22:58	repo	yeah one sec
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2022-05-01 20:23:02	thurstylark	would go a long way to clear stuff up :P
2022-05-01 20:23:17	repo	https://p.jokke.space/m-tfaNgy/
2022-05-01 20:23:18	phrik	Title: Multipaste (12 files) - bind-lan.network, config.netdev, config.network, gast.netdev, gast.network, iot.netdev, … (6 more) (at p.jokke.space)
2022-05-01 20:23:43	repo	and here's the output of nft list ruleset: https://p.jokke.space/ivh/
2022-05-01 20:23:44	phrik	Title: stdin (at p.jokke.space)
2022-05-01 20:23:50	thurstylark	oh hey, a non-xinu.at instance of filebin. neato :D
2022-05-01 20:23:58	repo	:)
2022-05-01 20:24:11	repo	yeah i'm a archlinux-de regular :)
2022-05-01 20:24:30	repo	many of us have their own instance
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2022-05-01 20:27:20	repo	thurstylark: unbound is running as dns resolver
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2022-05-01 20:30:37	thurstylark	So, first thing I'm seeing in lan.network: I don't think VLAN= is a valid option for the [Network] section...
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2022-05-01 20:31:31	repo	thurstylark: hm i've seen that alot though, and no errors in journal for systemd-networkd
2022-05-01 20:31:38	FatAlbert	vagrant box add --name 4c5ddc6a-8c73-425b-984f-ff27b0356cc6
2022-05-01 20:32:00	◣	andyrtr (~andyrtr@archlinux/developer/andyrtr) ha salido (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2022-05-01 20:32:13	FatAlbert	This command was not invoked properly. The help for this command is
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2022-05-01 20:32:15	FatAlbert	available below.
2022-05-01 20:32:17	FatAlbert	Usage: vagrant box add [options] <name, url, or path>
2022-05-01 20:32:30	FatAlbert	what did i do wrong ? 
2022-05-01 20:32:36	repo	thurstylark: how else would you assign VLAN's to an interface?
2022-05-01 20:33:02	repo	thurstylark: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VLAN#systemd-networkd
2022-05-01 20:33:03	phrik	Title: VLAN - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-01 20:33:44	thurstylark	oh, nvm, I missed it in the docs :P
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2022-05-01 20:34:01	repo	thurstylark: i think it's not actually in the manpage, which is very confusing
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2022-05-01 20:34:43	thurstylark	it is, It's just grouped with several other options in the Network section, so I just missed it
2022-05-01 20:34:50	repo	ah right
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2022-05-01 20:37:27	repo	here's the output of ip a: https://p.jokke.space/cFloH/
2022-05-01 20:37:28	phrik	Title: stdin (at p.jokke.space)
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2022-05-01 20:44:01	thurstylark	repo: so, you're trying to get a dhcp client to request an address from the dhcp server specified in config.network, correct?
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2022-05-01 20:44:55	repo	correct
2022-05-01 20:45:03	thurstylark	since you've basically got bind-lan.network set up to funnel untagged traffic into and out of vlan 40
2022-05-01 20:45:11	repo	exactly
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2022-05-01 20:48:39	thurstylark	so, it's been a minute since I've run a dhcp server from systemd-networkd, but don't the DHCP{DISCOVER,OFFER,REQUEST,ACK} messages make it to the journal?
2022-05-01 20:49:26	repo	hm not to systemd-networkd, no
2022-05-01 20:50:24	repo	should i see it there?
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2022-05-01 20:50:51	repo	i briefly ran dnsmasq though because i thought the issue could be with networkd
2022-05-01 20:51:03	repo	and there i saw the DISCOVER and ACK and whatnot
2022-05-01 20:51:21	repo	maybe networkd just isn't as verbose?
2022-05-01 20:51:44	thurstylark	ah, alrighty. yeah, that's totally possible
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2022-05-01 20:52:33	thurstylark	so, are you sniffing from the same machine you are intending to be your DHCP client?
2022-05-01 20:52:33	◣	Warepire (~warepire@user/Warepire) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2022-05-01 20:52:41	repo	no
2022-05-01 20:52:42	◣	Zelec95645041152 (~Zelec@user/zelec) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2022-05-01 20:52:48	repo	i'm sniffing directly on the router
2022-05-01 20:53:45	thurstylark	ahh, gotcha
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2022-05-01 20:54:18	repo	so to recap: on the iface lan i still see responses, on intern1 not
2022-05-01 20:55:01	repo	on cfg i also see both requests and responses
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2022-05-01 20:58:29	repo	i also tried adding bootpc to the allowed ports but the responses still don't reach intern1
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2022-05-01 20:59:34	repo	so i'm guessing something weird is happening with the bridge
2022-05-01 20:59:41	thurstylark	So, earlier you said that you were seeing the responses being dropped on nftables input chain, right? 
2022-05-01 20:59:46	repo	yeah
2022-05-01 20:59:59	repo	after adding bootpc i won't
2022-05-01 21:00:06	repo	*don't
2022-05-01 21:00:07	thurstylark	isn't that the whole banana?
2022-05-01 21:00:09	thurstylark	ahh
2022-05-01 21:00:18	repo	:)
2022-05-01 21:00:20	repo	i wish
2022-05-01 21:00:27	thurstylark	ikr :P
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2022-05-01 21:02:34	repo	oooh
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2022-05-01 21:04:07	repo	i added an override for systemd-networkd with Environment=SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL=debug and now i see the DHCPv44 server: REQUEST followed by... a DHCPv4 server: NAK!
2022-05-01 21:04:26	thurstylark	heyyyy moar info is always nice
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2022-05-01 21:05:07	thurstylark	so the dhcp server is rejecting the request
2022-05-01 21:05:16	repo	oh ok i guess the network wasn't yet fully configured... now i see DISCOVER followed by OFFER
2022-05-01 21:05:39	repo	so back to square 1
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2022-05-01 21:06:32	thurstylark	if you're not already looking at it, networkctl might also provide a little insight to current state, but idk if that info is any different from what you'd get from ip...
2022-05-01 21:06:46	repo	thurstylark: oh!
2022-05-01 21:06:48	repo	ooh!
2022-05-01 21:06:54	repo	2 lan     bridge   degraded    configured 
2022-05-01 21:07:01	repo	degraded, huh!
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2022-05-01 21:10:32	thurstylark	repo: Apparently, not that weird for a bridge that doesn't need an address: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/575#issuecomment-163810166
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2022-05-01 21:10:43	repo	thurstylark: ah
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2022-05-01 21:13:45	kian	I've been having a problem with my laptop running Arch. None of the USB devices appear in /proc/acpi/wakeup and none of the USB HID devices cause the laptop to wake up from suspend.
2022-05-01 21:14:24	◣	liqsliu (~liqsliu@user/liqsliu) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2022-05-01 21:14:34	kian	Well really, nothing other than the I2C keyboard can wake it up. Even the lid switch doesn't appear in /proc/acpi/wakeup and doesn't wake it up
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2022-05-01 21:15:21	repo	thurstylark: here's the output of networkctl btw: https://p.jokke.space/AEAs/
2022-05-01 21:15:23	phrik	Title: stdin (at p.jokke.space)
2022-05-01 21:16:34	AmR	Any one look at nvidia.conf I sent?
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2022-05-01 21:20:13	Namarrgon	AmR: #manjaro is next door
2022-05-01 21:20:21	◣	feriman (~feriman@188.163.113.151) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2022-05-01 21:20:23	thurstylark	repo: can you also paste the output from `networkctl status cfg`?
2022-05-01 21:20:33	Namarrgon	AmR: system-specific configs like that don't belong in any package
2022-05-01 21:20:50	repo	thurstylark: sure! https://p.jokke.space/yk5egQ/
2022-05-01 21:20:51	phrik	Title: stdin (at p.jokke.space)
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2022-05-01 21:24:00	AmR	Namarrgon: I don't talk about manjaro. I notice When I try ubuntu it's work right with Nvidia driver, I try find why, And I got this file as answer, I use It right now, and it's work right.
2022-05-01 21:25:14	Namarrgon	AmR: unless you can reproduce the issue and the fix on arch this doesn't belong here
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2022-05-01 21:27:08	thurstylark	repo: so, I'm seeing the logs of that interface receiving the discover, and sending an offer... are you able to confirm that these are getting through the lan bridge?
2022-05-01 21:27:44	repo	no, the responses don't make it to the physical interface
2022-05-01 21:27:56	repo	*the offers
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2022-05-01 21:29:12	repo	thurstylark: i'm a bit of a noob when it comes to networking so forgive me if this is a stupid question, but do i maybe need to enable STP on the bridge?
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2022-05-01 21:30:00	repo	AmR: i would suggest that you try explaining what the exact problem is what you're trying to solve on your arch system. what you expect to be happening and what's happening instead
2022-05-01 21:31:12	repo	AmR: so far all i got is - and this is me just guessing - that you have some kind of driver issue with your nvidia card
2022-05-01 21:31:44	◣	swifteh (swifteh@user/bsleep) ha salido (Quit: Goodbye!)
2022-05-01 21:32:06	repo	thurstylark: i see alot of STP packets in tcpdump on intern1
2022-05-01 21:32:42	repo	"When unset, the kernel's default will be used". Not sure what the kernel's default is
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2022-05-01 21:34:08	thurstylark	hmm, don't really know enough about STP to know if this is related, but it doesn't sound like a bad stab in the dark :P
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2022-05-01 21:35:05	repo	yeah no, same difference
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2022-05-01 21:37:29	thurstylark	repo: hmmm... maybe there are more vlan things to set on the lan bridge network: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/8087#issuecomment-378714138
2022-05-01 21:37:43	repo	it doesn't seem to be a firewall issue as i just deleted the whole inet filter table and it still doesn't work
2022-05-01 21:38:25	repo	thurstylark: thanks btw so much for helping me out <3
2022-05-01 21:38:44	thurstylark	np, I'm learning along with ya :)
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2022-05-01 21:39:49	repo	thurstylark: you mean DefaultPVID?
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2022-05-01 21:43:12	repo	ooh and the BridgeVLAN sections maybe
2022-05-01 21:43:39	thurstylark	Yeah, I think the bridgevlan sections are the things that fixed it for that guy
2022-05-01 21:43:53	◣	smp (~smp@user/smp) ha salido (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2022-05-01 21:44:08	repo	HOLY SH*T!!!
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2022-05-01 21:44:11	repo	it worked!
2022-05-01 21:44:19	thurstylark	hah!
2022-05-01 21:44:21	repo	omg, thanks so much!! \o/
2022-05-01 21:44:32	thurstylark	np :)
2022-05-01 21:44:34	repo	yaas finally! :D
2022-05-01 21:44:40	repo	i've been at this for 2 days now
2022-05-01 21:45:06	repo	foxxx0: in case you're interested ^
2022-05-01 21:45:13	thurstylark	I think the thing is that the bridge is vlan aware, but didn't have any ingress or egress rules or what have you
2022-05-01 21:45:34	thurstylark	which I kind of gleaned from here: https://docs.nxp.com/bundle/GUID-C3A436DA-E944-4F73-9811-2335DEBD04D6/page/GUID-7B735D8B-6928-4AA8-86C8-AD22E37CE239.html
2022-05-01 21:45:36	phrik	Title: NXP (at docs.nxp.com)
2022-05-01 21:45:37	repo	thurstylark: foxxx0 is the guy from archlinux-de who has been helping me out in the past :)
2022-05-01 21:46:34	repo	thurstylark: nice catch!
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2022-05-01 21:47:18	thurstylark	paired up nicely with the whole "nope, tagged traffic just dies on the bridge" symptom :P
2022-05-01 21:47:28	repo	yeah
2022-05-01 21:47:56	repo	masquerading seems to be working nicely too
2022-05-01 21:49:11	thurstylark	lol I'm low-key surprised I was able to get my head wrapped around all that
2022-05-01 21:49:20	repo	:D
2022-05-01 21:49:25	thurstylark	but hey, don't know if you don't try :P
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2022-05-01 21:51:00	thurstylark	So, out of curiosity, how are you using this setup with network devices? Pop them on the network, let them get on the cfg vlan with untagged traffic, then configure them for the target vlan?
2022-05-01 21:51:17	repo	yeah pretty much
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2022-05-01 21:51:41	thurstylark	neato
2022-05-01 21:51:54	⚡ 	thurstylark would hardly call that beginner's networking ;)
2022-05-01 21:52:03	repo	i have pretty dumb switches (netgear prosafe) which don't support setting a config vlan and it's just convenient to have them in it by default and then tagging the other vlans
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2022-05-01 21:53:16	repo	yeah it's totally over the top :D
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2022-05-01 21:53:41	repo	but i like separating all that evil iot stuff from the rest of my network :>
2022-05-01 21:53:49	repo	and having a guest wifi
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2022-05-02 11:16:21	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1475 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1473 normals)
2022-05-02 05:11:52	TheDcoder	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2034063
2022-05-02 05:11:52	phrik	Title: How do I start a secondary init process independent of systemd? / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-05-02 05:11:53	jmariondev	trumee: if fewer reboots is your goal you may want to consider something like an LTS operating system, could even run arch in containers on top of it
2022-05-02 05:12:07	TheDcoder	Someone know how to do this? :)
2022-05-02 05:12:24	sheep	TheDcoder: don't. Arch only supports systemd
2022-05-02 05:12:47	DeepDayze	sysvinit won't work on Aarch?
2022-05-02 05:12:51	DeepDayze	Arch*
2022-05-02 05:13:04	TheDcoder	sheep: I am not doing something crazy like using OpenRC alongside systemd, I just want my simple program to run outside systemd
2022-05-02 05:13:04	sheep	TheDcoder: consider making a custom unit file and changing the options in it. "man systemd.directives", "man systemd.service", and "man systemd.exec" will explain some of the options that you could use
2022-05-02 05:13:10	DeepDayze	there are other inits like s6, Runit,Openrc
2022-05-02 05:13:33	cc0a3hr	so should I press f8? the thing i want is just usb boot, i don't want grub to boot it
2022-05-02 05:13:41	sheep	you cannot run something "outside systemd" on arch. Either something is running directly within a systemd unit or something that's part of a unit
2022-05-02 05:13:54	TheDcoder	sheep: I've looked into it, but there's no suitable solution for my issue. You may want to read my short post to know why :)
2022-05-02 05:14:24	sheep	TheDcoder: change from a scheduled task to a unit that runs constantly and just has  abig sleep loop or something
2022-05-02 05:14:25	DeepDayze	cc0a3hr: check your mobo model as the function key to get to the boot menu can be different
2022-05-02 05:14:35	TheDcoder	sheep: True, that makes sense. I guess "decouple" might have been a better term
2022-05-02 05:14:52	DeepDayze	Mine is an Asus and F8's the key for the boot menu...yours may be different
2022-05-02 05:15:29	DeepDayze	You may have to press the key repeatedly until the menu appears
2022-05-02 05:15:33	TheDcoder	sheep: Good idea... why didn't I think of that? I will use your suggestion, thanks.
2022-05-02 05:15:41	cc0a3hr	no you don't get it, i go to boot menu and chose win usb
2022-05-02 05:15:45	sheep	or use cron to do it
2022-05-02 05:15:48	cc0a3hr	there is no problem here
2022-05-02 05:15:53	sheep	cron still works under systemd
2022-05-02 05:16:11	TheDcoder	I'm still interested in answers though, does the linux kernel accept multiple init programs via cmdline?
2022-05-02 05:16:25	DeepDayze	You can only have one init
2022-05-02 05:16:29	TheDcoder	sheep: yes, I did think about it but decided against it for several different reasons
2022-05-02 05:17:02	TheDcoder	DeepDayze: Are you saying that because Linux doesn't allow it or because do you think it's not possible?
2022-05-02 05:17:05	sheep	no. there can only be one init
2022-05-02 05:17:58	sheep	https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/547790/how-to-disable-systemd-service-start-stop-notifications suggests editing the .service unit to have LogMaxLevel=alert
2022-05-02 05:17:59	phrik	Title: linux - how to disable systemd service start/stop notifications - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2022-05-02 05:18:45	DeepDayze	sheep is right
2022-05-02 05:19:07	TheDcoder	Awesome, sounds like just what I am looking for! Thanks sheep, will try that
2022-05-02 05:19:12	trumee	jmariondev: I like AUR packages too much to give up Arch :)
2022-05-02 05:19:32	DeepDayze	If you use the AUR you must be a masochist :)
2022-05-02 05:19:55	sheep	the AUR is less masochistic than gentoo layouts
2022-05-02 05:20:00	sheep	I mean gentoo overlays
2022-05-02 05:20:01	DeepDayze	Playing with PKGBUILDs can be fun too
2022-05-02 05:20:13	DeepDayze	ohh overlays grind my teeth to powder
2022-05-02 05:20:40	DeepDayze	or that masking business
2022-05-02 05:20:51	TheDcoder	I thought Arch was the hardest distro to use... until I came to know about Gentoo
2022-05-02 05:21:03	sheep	Gentoo is still easier than NixOS or LFS
2022-05-02 05:21:08	DeepDayze	Gentoo is hardest followed by Arch, then Slackware
2022-05-02 05:21:34	DeepDayze	Ubuntu *cough* is the easiest
2022-05-02 05:21:42	trumee	I used to be on Gentoo, and then i discovered AUR and moved over to Arch
2022-05-02 05:21:42	TheDcoder	lol
2022-05-02 05:22:06	TheDcoder	trumee: I'm wanting to try Gentoo. Don't they have something like AUR too?
2022-05-02 05:22:25	DeepDayze	I dabbled in Arch and getting the hang of installs by practicing in a VM
2022-05-02 05:22:28	sheep	overlays
2022-05-02 05:22:29	trumee	TheDcoder: They do but less packages than AUR
2022-05-02 05:22:59	DeepDayze	Overlays are something akin to AUR IMO
2022-05-02 05:23:42	trumee	TheDcoder: Their build system is easier than Arch though, so it is easier to make your custom packages.
2022-05-02 05:24:46	TheDcoder	trumee: I see, sounds like a good balance
2022-05-02 05:27:38	TheDcoder	sheep: Turns out that's a dud, I did disregard that option before and I was right to do that because it doesn't actually remove those entries
2022-05-02 05:27:55	sheep	did you run systemctl daemon-reload after you edited it?
2022-05-02 05:28:02	TheDcoder	My best bet seems to be your earlier suggestion of using a script with a long sleep
2022-05-02 05:28:23	TheDcoder	sheep: Not really, I didn't even try it, you can see the discussion in the comments to see why
2022-05-02 05:29:14	TheDcoder	DeepDayze: I feel in love with Arch after installing it one time in a VM
2022-05-02 05:29:36	TheDcoder	There's nothing to be scared really, just follow the installation guide carefully
2022-05-02 05:31:04	TheDcoder	I just thought of something really devious... what if I replaced init with a script which starts my own program and systemd after that?
2022-05-02 05:31:20	TheDcoder	It should work in theory
2022-05-02 05:31:55	TheDcoder	Is init just a normal program in /usr/bin?
2022-05-02 05:32:30	TheDcoder	$ /usr/bin/init: symbolic link to ../lib/systemd/systemd
2022-05-02 06:07:53	dondon	for i in $(seq 1 10000) ; do printf 'hi' ; done ; echo
2022-05-02 06:10:35	k33n	how do you know its time to update the kernel?
2022-05-02 06:11:10	mpan	k33n: pacman tells you what there is to update if you -Syu. If you want a preview, see `checkupdates` from the pacman-contrib package.
2022-05-02 06:13:54	sheep	you could also check if pacman -Q linux and uname -r mismatch
2022-05-02 06:15:40	k33n	im on a macbook pro. using the t2linux guide's pacman does not show an update. and i am on 5.16.18
2022-05-02 06:17:39	Patrick14159	from using other distros i habituated to "<packmanage> search <keyword>" and then grep the results for finer grained output
2022-05-02 06:18:00	Patrick14159	but when i do that with packman it displays the description without the package name :(
2022-05-02 06:18:23	mpan	Patrick14159: what do you mean “description without package name”? What command are you using EXACTLY?
2022-05-02 06:19:10	Patrick14159	mpan: the output of pacman and yay is: 1 line with package name and version and the other line contains the package description which then matches the grep
2022-05-02 06:19:35	Patrick14159	so i get the desc only without package name
2022-05-02 06:20:18	mpan	What command do you use, EXACTLY?
2022-05-02 06:20:19	Patrick14159	oh, sorry. the command is "pacman -Ss"
2022-05-02 06:20:55	mpan	`pacman -Ss` is displaying all packages available (as you missed the search term), and all of them with both names and descriptions.
2022-05-02 06:21:25	Patrick14159	yes, the problem is that the output is 2 lines per package not 1
2022-05-02 06:21:50	mpan	You want them to be one line? Use expac.
2022-05-02 06:23:16	Patrick14159	nifty tool as it seems, thanks!
2022-05-02 06:23:20	mpan	… though `--search` already takes a regex. 
2022-05-02 06:23:59	Patrick14159	perfect for learning :)
2022-05-02 07:01:26	locrian9	!pastebin
2022-05-02 07:01:26	phrik	Pastebin.com is swamped with advertisements and random captchas. Malware found on pastebin.com has resulted in it being blocked for some users. It injects CRLF line-endings. Please, use something else. Use something sane like https://gist.github.com https://bpaste.net https://ix.io and see !ix for easy way to paste from a pipe
2022-05-02 07:01:47	locrian9	!kernel
2022-05-02 07:01:48	phrik	locrian9: Eh?
2022-05-02 07:02:29	topcat001	I love the fact that pacman -Ss takes regexes :)
2022-05-02 07:03:18	locrian9	topcat001: What regex have you used lately on pacman?  Sounds helpful.
2022-05-02 07:03:45	locrian9	!stackoverflow
2022-05-02 07:03:46	phrik	locrian9: Eh?
2022-05-02 07:04:37	topcat001	My level of usage is very basic, but `pacman -Ss '^netcat$'` is an example where the results are filtered by names but not descriptionss.
2022-05-02 07:05:34	topcat001	you can think of many clever ones I'm sure
2022-05-02 07:07:54	mpan	Or finding out that the longest package name in the official repos is opensearch-dashboards-anomaly-detection-plugin. ;)
2022-05-02 07:08:06	Numero	I have an arch desktop machine that popped up a message saying sda is failing. smartctl -e says, HAL-like, that it will fail within 24 hours. I've got it booted up to a gentoo live USB right now and i'm tarring up the contents of sda2 (/) to the healthy sdb1 (/home). sda1 is swap. is there anything else i need to recover off of sda to make restoration onto a new drive for sda go smoother?
2022-05-02 07:08:10	topcat001	wonderful :D
2022-05-02 07:08:14	locrian9	!factinfo welcome
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2022-05-02 07:08:36	topcat001	locrian9: please private the bot ;)
2022-05-02 07:09:04	topcat001	(then you can skip the ! too)
2022-05-02 07:09:26	Numero	BTW sda is a 250MB sandisk SSD 
2022-05-02 07:09:45	sheep	MB?
2022-05-02 07:10:02	mpan	Numero: “/boot” if a separate partition. You may also wish to make a copy of the first sectors of the disk if bootloader is installed there, but that can be restored later if needed by using normal installation.
2022-05-02 07:10:24	mpan	Numero: at this point I assume you ask about a complete system copy. If not, and you want to install it afresh, just copy “/etc”.
2022-05-02 07:11:04	Numero	mpan: i let arch do sda the way it wanted to at install if i remeber correctly, and it did not make a separate partition for /boot.
2022-05-02 07:11:47	Numero	sheep: sorry, 250GB
2022-05-02 07:12:01	mpan	“/srv” if you have anything priate there, “/lib” may contain databases you if created some. “/usr/local/” if you build/installed anything without pacman.
2022-05-02 07:13:13	Numero	mpan: as i said, i'm tarring up all of sda2's (/'s) contents now, which excludes /home because that's sdb1
2022-05-02 07:13:57	mpan	If you are taring everything to restore it as-is, you may as well xz the entire drive.
2022-05-02 07:14:10	Numero	i was mostly concerned about preserving the bootloader info
2022-05-02 07:14:26	mpan	Bootloader may be installed later.
2022-05-02 07:14:38	mpan	The configuration stuff is on “/boot” anyway.
2022-05-02 07:17:00	Numero	mpan: ok. i know how to install grub on a drive using the gentoo livecd but i think what i'd need to do is partition and format a new drive, restore the backup i made to that drive, chroot into the arch instance and run grub-install from in there 
2022-05-02 07:17:22	mpan	yes
2022-05-02 07:17:59	⚡ 	Numero has been using gentoo almost exclusively for years but life with a linux desktop is actually much improved with arch
2022-05-02 07:18:34	mpan	For practical reasons consider having Arch ISO around too. All instructions refer to it, which makes helping much easier.
2022-05-02 07:20:27	Numero	mpan: thanks for that. no harm done if i have trouble getting things back in order using the gentoo liveusb but i might be disinclined to keep beating on it if it will be easier to get help like you say
2022-05-02 07:21:11	mpan	No, no harm. chrooting into Arch should work exactly the same. Just if you would need to work outside chroot, it lead to some… “impedance mismatch”. :)
2022-05-02 07:21:12	Numero	kind of disappointed/worried that the SSD is going toes...it's not super old or super "worn" I don't think.
2022-05-02 07:21:21	Numero	mpan: lol, i get the ref
2022-05-02 07:27:09	mpan	Also, I was wrong: you may be unable to nicely xz the entire drive instead of taring it, because you can’t zero unused space on a broken medium. And compressing unused garbage is pointless.
2022-05-02 07:28:22	grawity	most of it probably has been zero'd earlier if this is an SSD and you have weekly fstrim (I think most SSDs return zeroes after trim, don't they?)
2022-05-02 07:28:46	grawity	but yes, raw block device might contain garbage
2022-05-02 07:29:05	grawity	partclone could create "sparse" images for many filesystems though
2022-05-02 07:29:24	grawity	(if only it could generate plain sparse files instead of its own image format...)
2022-05-02 07:31:12	Numero	mpan: yeah, i don't like the idea, really...the partition was only 9% full and most of what i'd be xz'ing is useless - and like you say, if there's any garbage it might invalidate the whole thing
2022-05-02 07:31:32	Numero	also, i'd be xz'ing the swap partition
2022-05-02 07:31:50	mpan	Both xz and bzip2 are very good at eliminating huge areas of zeros. But first you must be sure therer are zeros there.
2022-05-02 07:31:59	mpan	Why are you archiving swap? It contains nothing of value.
2022-05-02 07:32:07	Numero	mpan: i'm not; that's my point
2022-05-02 07:33:44	Numero	must look into fstrim
2022-05-02 07:34:08	mpan	Sure, but now. You should not write anything to a failing medium.
2022-05-02 07:34:59	mpan	*Sure but NOT now. :D
2022-05-02 07:36:00	Numero	understood. BTW the end of this https://opensource.com/article/17/1/solid-state-drives-linux-enabling-trim-ssds says to combine regular fstrim scheduling with use of ext4.
2022-05-02 07:37:00	mpan	I only see a mention that you must enable discard for ext4, not that you must use ext4.
2022-05-02 07:40:03	Numero	i didn't say it said must, nor does the source debian wiki article
2022-05-02 07:40:38	mpan	That’s what you said. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-05-02 08:03:22	randomxusr	Any benefit to running the Zen or Liquorix Kernels for Gaming?
2022-05-02 08:06:55	thingfish	randomxusr: I have run both vanilla and -zen kernels, and damned if I can tell any benefit.
2022-05-02 08:08:44	randomxusr	thingfish, Fair. What hardware were you running on? Do you do any gaming?
2022-05-02 08:12:07	thingfish	randomxusr: that was when I had a i7 5820K and a GTX 980.  And yes, I do some gaming.
2022-05-02 08:12:47	thingfish	just got a new box, haven't tried the -zen kernel with it yet.
2022-05-02 08:13:58	randomxusr	I'm seriously considering it for my 5900x, but I'd love to swap the 2060 for a 3070 if I do that
2022-05-02 08:14:10	thingfish	yeah
2022-05-02 08:15:12	randomxusr	Since I've put the 5.17 kernel on Arch; I've installed on all my other VM's openSUSE, Ubuntu, and Fedora KDE. it's fire, so I figure why not try the Zen kernel
2022-05-02 08:15:27	thingfish	exactly.  Why not.
2022-05-02 08:15:47	thingfish	maybe you'll see a difference.
2022-05-02 08:16:12	randomxusr	Are there any caveats I should be aware of if I want to run Mainline, and have a Kernel from the AUR as a secondary choice?
2022-05-02 08:17:28	sorta	zen mostly seems to help in some dell laptops gain stability
2022-05-02 08:17:31	thingfish	I don't have enough experience running different kernels to be able to advise you, I'm afraid.
2022-05-02 08:17:38	thingfish	ah
2022-05-02 08:17:49	sorta	that's what i've read from lots of threads but yeah i just roll with the default kernel
2022-05-02 08:19:03	randomxusr	sorta, got it. I've just noticed some improvements with mainline, and others have suggested performance and power improvements, so I want to see if it's all hype
2022-05-02 08:19:39	sorta	sure go ahead, i don't want to discourage you from trying something new and exciting :D
2022-05-02 08:20:04	randomxusr	thingfish, thanks. I'm going to check the AUR server b/c I don't want to get caught without a working system
2022-05-02 08:20:39	thingfish	good luck
2022-05-02 08:21:18	randomxusr	Thanks. I'll probably post my experience over on Reddit or in the #offtopic room next week
2022-05-02 08:24:54	sorta	i am using weechat within tmux and theres this annoying "feature" or something where if i drag the mouse left or right channel buffers are changed. how do i change this to not do this?
2022-05-02 08:25:10	sheep	alt+m
2022-05-02 08:25:13	sheep	or esc+m
2022-05-02 08:25:17	sorta	dragging mouse should select the text, not change buffers. if i press shift while doing this, it works normally
2022-05-02 08:26:03	sorta	sheep: huh that worked
2022-05-02 08:26:12	sorta	is this a tmux thing?
2022-05-02 08:26:16	sheep	it's bound to one of the /mouse things
2022-05-02 08:26:18	sheep	it's a weechat thing
2022-05-02 08:26:59	sorta	ohh
2022-05-02 08:27:03	sorta	/mouse disable
2022-05-02 08:27:18	sorta	this fixed it, and /mouse enable brings that back again
2022-05-02 08:36:45	Gagis	sorta, I found that I press alt-m accidentally WAY too easily so I disabled that key binding entirely
2022-05-02 08:36:50	Gagis	since it got really annoying
2022-05-02 08:37:10	sorta	i swapped ctrl and alt ;D
2022-05-02 08:37:21	sorta	much easier to use keyboard shortcuts
2022-05-02 08:37:21	Gagis	well, that ought to do it
2022-05-02 09:05:11	paranoid73	Hello
2022-05-02 09:06:37	paranoid73	I get this message : "Partition /boot too full" when i want to update my system with the command "pacman -Syu"
2022-05-02 09:06:50	sorta	how would i format strings with jq? i have a test.json with a bunch of entries in it with "song" and "media_url" as the fields i am targeting which are within a blank array. currently if i do "jq ".[].song,.[].media_url" test.json" i get the results such that the song field entries are all shown together then the media_url field entries are shown. i want the fields to show up song wise, how do i
2022-05-02 09:06:52	sorta	do it?
2022-05-02 09:07:06	sorta	paranoid73: how large is your /boot?
2022-05-02 09:07:32	paranoid73	sorta: https://ctrl.vi/i/yxjLQmaWq
2022-05-02 09:07:44	paranoid73	It's a screenshot 
2022-05-02 09:08:16	paranoid73	/dev/sda2          98304    97740       564 100% /boot
2022-05-02 09:08:17	sorta	yeah that's not encouraged around here much, anyway your /boot is full
2022-05-02 09:08:29	sorta	you should have given it 512m or so
2022-05-02 09:08:48	sorta	you could reboot and resize with gparted
2022-05-02 09:09:25	sorta	"We're using Google Analytics to learn how the users in general are using the website and how to improve Control V. " .....
2022-05-02 09:09:39	sorta	!paste
2022-05-02 09:09:40	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-05-02 09:10:23	realguy	!rs
2022-05-02 09:10:24	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2022-05-02 09:11:54	Gagis	aw, they left already. I was going to suggest doing away with the fallback images as a short term solution to bloated /boot
2022-05-02 09:14:07	sorta	that boot partition is ridiculously small though
2022-05-02 09:14:17	sorta	also what a creepy pastebin service
2022-05-02 09:17:21	rxfh	give russia your pastes its fine, comrade
2022-05-02 09:49:18	shadowless	ix.io tells me I'm blocked like I've been IP banned or something, never used it before :/
2022-05-02 09:59:36	aminvakil	sorry, but after last discussion here i couldn't realize what's the current workaround for (error: libinih: signature from "Maxime Gauduin <alucryd@gmail.com>" is marginal trust)
2022-05-02 09:59:54	sheep	pacman -S archlinux-keyring
2022-05-02 10:00:23	aminvakil	this happens on latest archlinux docker image which is using the latest archlinux-keyring
2022-05-02 10:02:15	aminvakil	well it's not, but still (archlinux docker image has 20220423-1) and latest version is 20220424-1, but both these commands still results in same error
2022-05-02 10:02:20	mpan	`pacman -Q archlinux-keyring` then
2022-05-02 10:02:25	aminvakil	docker run --rm -it archlinux pacman -Syu libinih --noconfirm
2022-05-02 10:02:31	aminvakil	docker run --rm -it archlinux bash -c "pacman -Syu --noconfirm ; pacman -S libinih --noconfirm"
2022-05-02 10:03:04	aminvakil	mpan: archlinux-keyring 20220424-1
2022-05-02 10:03:37	aminvakil	this is not happening on my laptop nor any servers which i use arch on them btw
2022-05-02 10:03:40	sorta	yeah that's what i have too , 20220424-1
2022-05-02 10:04:36	Cork	I had to reinstall the latest keyring on both my laptop this week so i would try that anyway
2022-05-02 10:04:53	Cork	it solved it there
2022-05-02 10:04:54	mpan	NO such situtation with 202204024-1 here. Hmm
2022-05-02 10:05:21	aminvakil	Cork: latest docker image has 20220423-1 and it upgrades to 20220424-1, so i don't think reinstalling helps
2022-05-02 10:05:39	aminvakil	mpan: have you tried on docker images? like the commands which I've sent
2022-05-02 10:06:05	Cork	aminvakil: if doesn't help it doesn't take much time and it won't hurt amything, so i would just try
2022-05-02 10:06:40	aminvakil	Cork: docker run --rm -it archlinux bash -c "pacman -Syu --noconfirm ; pacman -S archlinux-keyring --noconfirm; pacman -S libinih --noconfirm"
2022-05-02 10:06:50	aminvakil	just tried this, no difference
2022-05-02 10:08:04	aminvakil	ok this worked:
2022-05-02 10:08:09	aminvakil	docker run --rm -it archlinux bash -c "pacman-key --init; pacman -Syu --noconfirm; pacman -S libinih --noconfirm"
2022-05-02 10:08:49	aminvakil	even pacman-key --init after upgrading to 20220424-1 didn't work, it only works if you initialize it before upgrading to  20220424-1
2022-05-02 10:09:03	Cork	hmm
2022-05-02 10:09:26	Cork	something changed in gpg again maybe?
2022-05-02 10:10:07	jelle	08:05:05        aminvakil | Cork: latest docker image has 20220423-1 and it upgrades to
2022-05-02 10:10:09	jelle	not here
2022-05-02 10:10:59	Cork	jelle: did you not have a keyring before upgrading? cause he is resetting it
2022-05-02 10:11:05	PapuaHardyNet	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/eOmvOu7T/2022-05-02_13%3A40%3A54.png
2022-05-02 10:11:21	jelle	Cork: I have 
2022-05-02 10:11:24	jelle	20220424-1
2022-05-02 10:11:32	Cork	hmm weird
2022-05-02 10:11:51	PapuaHardyNet	oh shit, wrong channel. I apologize.
2022-05-02 10:13:56	The-Compiler	PapuaHardyNet: can confirm you need striped socks to be a linux user
2022-05-02 10:14:07	sorta	lol what
2022-05-02 10:15:26	k33n	how do i get pacman -U to overwrite all of the files that exist?
2022-05-02 10:16:29	mpan	k33n: the question suggests you are trying to do something you should likely not. You may do that just like with -S, using --override, but perhaps explain first what’s the cause of that.
2022-05-02 10:17:53	k33n	im trying to install expressvpn
2022-05-02 10:17:59	mpan	Sorry, --overwrite.
2022-05-02 10:18:06	mpan	No, that is not an explanation.
2022-05-02 10:18:21	mpan	Why do you need to overwrite anything if installing a package with pacman.
2022-05-02 10:18:22	k33n	their site had one to download for 'arch' when i extracted the tarball it put files all over the place
2022-05-02 10:18:45	k33n	so now i downloaded expressvpn from AUR and am trying to install it with pacman
2022-05-02 10:18:55	k33n	but those files exist so pacman complains 
2022-05-02 10:19:18	mpan	Are you able to determine, how their own archive polluted your system? While you may use --overwrite here, there is a risk some files will still be left.
2022-05-02 10:19:21	sorta	arent you just supposed to pacman -U on the tar.zst?
2022-05-02 10:19:45	mpan	What I mean is: can you remove the offending files, instead of blindly overwriting?
2022-05-02 10:20:10	mpan	If not, then go with --overwrite.
2022-05-02 10:20:41	k33n	--overwrite on its own does not work
2022-05-02 10:20:51	k33n	man says it needs <glob> whats that?
2022-05-02 10:21:05	mpan	A glob pattern determining, which files should be overwritten.
2022-05-02 10:21:16	k33n	like -U --overwrite package.zst 
2022-05-02 10:21:24	k33n	i tried *
2022-05-02 10:21:34	k33n	or /usr/*
2022-05-02 10:21:37	mpan	Did you enclose it in *?
2022-05-02 10:21:43	mpan	In ' :D
2022-05-02 10:21:45	k33n	no
2022-05-02 10:21:50	k33n	is that what it wants/
2022-05-02 10:22:14	mpan	Then you listed all the contents of “/usr” in your command line. Yes, you want to enclose the pattern in '*'.
2022-05-02 10:22:18	k33n	thank you!!!
2022-05-02 10:23:09	sorta	k33n: does pacman -U thepackage.tar.zst not just work?
2022-05-02 10:23:34	sorta	i've never had to extract anything which is what is confusing me
2022-05-02 10:24:22	k33n	the expressvpn website gives you a tar.xz
2022-05-02 10:25:46	mpan	sorta: they extracted some archive that polluted the system, causing file conflicts while later properly installing a package using pacman.
2022-05-02 10:29:39	sorta	:(
2022-05-02 10:33:28	k33n	i have used the .deb package from their site before with no issues
2022-05-02 10:53:17	k33n	does anon surf work on arch?
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2022-05-02 11:30:41	segurb	hello, anyone has issue with RTX series (3060Ti) freezing up the screen on arch?
2022-05-02 11:31:03	segurb	I cant figure out what is going on, whole pc becomes unresponsive or simply shuts down 
2022-05-02 11:31:24	segurb	mostly it freezes up the image, and GPU starts spinning hard untill I shut it down on case
2022-05-02 11:33:16	cc0a3hr	Guys how can I use Arch Linux long-term? Should I update once in 3 day? Should I update every day? How can I protect system from breaking.
2022-05-02 11:34:35	sheep	update at least once every two weeks
2022-05-02 11:34:52	sheep	never use pacman -Sy; always use pacman -S, -Su, or -Syu
2022-05-02 11:36:26	cc0a3hr	why not use pacman -Sy?
2022-05-02 11:37:19	sheep	it can cause partial upgrades if you use it incorrectly. Partial upgrades are not supported and can totally break the system
2022-05-02 11:37:44	grawity	I guess the biggest reason is that you could miss rebuilds – like when a lot of packages are rebuilt for a new library version (such as ICU), when you install some new app with just -Sy, you'll get a new build of that app, looking for a new libicu – but the rest of the system still has the old one
2022-05-02 11:37:47	grawity	and those are not infrequent
2022-05-02 11:38:54	shadowless	segurb: which drivers do you have installed and when/how often does the freezing happen?
2022-05-02 11:40:12	segurb	shadowless: if I run gpu test tools, it happens right away, so I am assuming high GPU load does it, otherwise I am running 2 browsers, irc, jetbrains phpstorm, slack, and few terminals, ntohing heavy, but I do have 4k monitor on 120hz ... happens sometimes right when I boot, sometimes when I switch betwen tty1/2, sometimes just randomly out of the blue, if I run a movie ... just irregular 
2022-05-02 11:42:37	shadowless	which graphics drivers do you have installed?
2022-05-02 11:43:48	segurb	regular nvidia?
2022-05-02 11:44:17	segurb	https://0x0.st/oAOc.jpg
2022-05-02 11:48:28	shadowless	could you upload a paste of systemd's error logging?:    journalctl -p err..alert
2022-05-02 11:51:09	segurb	shadowless: http://ix.io/3WMs since I assembled this PC
2022-05-02 11:51:27	cc0a3hr	is pacman -Su and pacman -Syu same?
2022-05-02 11:51:55	sheep	no. pacman -Syu also syncs the sync database (y)
2022-05-02 11:52:28	grawity	-Syu basically = -Sy + -Su
2022-05-02 11:52:42	shadowless	segurb: would you mind using a different paste service? for some uknown reason, I've been banned from ix.io. sorry XD
2022-05-02 11:52:54	segurb	!paste
2022-05-02 11:52:54	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-05-02 11:53:00	grawity	there are *some* cases when -Sy is ok when it's almost immediately followed by -Su (or -Syu)
2022-05-02 11:53:12	segurb	shadowless: https://bpa.st/BSSQ
2022-05-02 11:53:12	phrik	Title: View paste BSSQ (at bpa.st)
2022-05-02 11:53:22	cc0a3hr	so doing once per week pacman -Syu or pacman -Su
2022-05-02 11:53:26	grawity	-Syu
2022-05-02 11:53:27	cc0a3hr	im thinking about automatic script so
2022-05-02 11:53:43	grawity	ehh -Syu is something I wouldn't automate just yet
2022-05-02 12:03:45	Ingar	segurb: card drawing too much power and PSU bailing out ?
2022-05-02 12:05:13	segurb	Ingar: I suspect the same thing, but how do I test that? I got i5-12600K with RTX3060Ti, ddr5, 1 ssd, 1 M2 disk, miniITX build in a sub 9L case, but thermals seem perfect
2022-05-02 12:06:22	segurb	sometimes its all fine for 10 hours in my working mode, sometimes it dies after 10 minutes
2022-05-02 12:08:04	@Foxboron	41
2022-05-02 12:08:06	@Foxboron	wops
2022-05-02 12:10:05	shadowless	segurb: what kind of PSU does it have? did you build the system yourself or buy it prebuilt?
2022-05-02 12:10:28	segurb	shadowless: this is miniITX build, full custom in Mjolnir case ... Corsair SF600
2022-05-02 12:11:15	segurb	if I drop out of the channel, or go silent, its probably dead pc btw XD
2022-05-02 12:13:00	shadowless	which kernel are you using?:  uname -r
2022-05-02 12:14:41	Ingar	segurb: I usually test such things by hooking up anoher PSU :-\
2022-05-02 12:14:59	segurb	shadowless:  5.17.4-arch1-1
2022-05-02 12:14:59	Ingar	both Alder Lake and Ampere can be rather power hungry
2022-05-02 12:15:31	segurb	Ingar: hooking up another PSU in my case is incredibly difficult its a SFF build, very tight case, cable bending and etc ... it would take hours
2022-05-02 12:16:31	Ingar	segurb: no need to actually install the test PSU in the case
2022-05-02 12:16:47	Ingar	but yeah, it's a bitch. not much I can do about that
2022-05-02 12:17:10	segurb	Ingar: oh trust me, I would have to take out the old one out, cables would be a problem, its insanely tight :) look up mjolnir sff case
2022-05-02 12:17:26	segurb	Ingar: https://thor-zone.com/mini-itx/
2022-05-02 12:17:27	phrik	Title: MJOLNIR | The best mini-ITX Case 2022 (at thor-zone.com)
2022-05-02 12:17:54	Ingar	ooh ic :-\
2022-05-02 12:17:58	segurb	I could however switch to iGPU for a test scenario? but I dont know how, do I just unplug the PSU from the Nvidia one and let the igpu take over?
2022-05-02 12:19:23	Ingar	not sure if you'd have to unplug the card itself
2022-05-02 12:19:42	Ingar	segurb: but testing iGPU is a good idea. Or some other OS, if you have one installed
2022-05-02 12:19:55	segurb	I dont, but I do have SSD ready to shoot windows on it, I could try that
2022-05-02 12:20:15	segurb	Ingar:  unpluging the razr cable in such small and tight case is real high chance of breaking something ...
2022-05-02 12:20:23	segurb	so I thought maybe just unplugging the PSU cable from the GPU
2022-05-02 12:20:30	segurb	but not sure if that is a threat on its own
2022-05-02 12:20:37	segurb	anyway, this is arch channel, enough about hardware I guess?
2022-05-02 12:20:46	segurb	thanks for help, Il test the iGPU and see what happens
2022-05-02 12:21:09	Ingar	segurb: most likekely, if you just unplug the GPU power, it will still get detected and complain about missing power
2022-05-02 12:21:34	segurb	uggghhh, damn
2022-05-02 12:21:40	segurb	this is gona be tricky XD
2022-05-02 12:21:52	Ingar	just go for it :D
2022-05-02 12:21:59	segurb	on old PC I could do that switch in UEFI, but in this one its not an option
2022-05-02 12:22:37	grawity	boot with modprobe.blacklist=nvidia etc?
2022-05-02 12:22:51	grawity	the gpu won't do much without drivers booting it up
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2022-05-02 12:35:13	segurb	grawity: modprobe.conf?
2022-05-02 12:35:35	grawity	well, if you want, but modprobe.blacklist= from the kernel command line is easier for one-off changes like that
2022-05-02 12:35:52	segurb	if only I would know how to access kernel command line
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2022-05-02 14:27:23	reactormonk[m]	I'm getting fmtutil [ERROR]: running `xetex -ini   -jobname=xetex -progname=xetex -etex xetex.ini </dev/null' return status: 1
2022-05-02 14:27:23	reactormonk[m]	fmtutil [ERROR]: returning error due to option --strict when updating TexLive format files
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2022-05-02 14:28:10	Edu4rdSHL	reactormonk[m], so?
2022-05-02 14:28:26	Edu4rdSHL	> returning error due to option --strict when updating TexLive format files
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2022-05-02 14:29:01	reactormonk[m]	It's run by pacman as part of the update, so I wonder if it's bad
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2022-05-02 14:35:15	baltazar	hi! my laptop has weird issues and I think it's memory corruption somehow, but I can't verify it. e.g. now, `pinentry-qt` segfaults immediately inside `ld-linux-x86-64.so.2`
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2022-05-02 14:35:48	baltazar	could this be caused by anything other than memory corruption? (a reboot will fix it, based on previous instances of the problem)
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2022-05-02 14:36:23	grawity	does memtest pass? does it crash the same way every time?
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2022-05-02 14:36:53	baltazar	grawity: I have done several memtests, none have shown any problem
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2022-05-02 14:38:41	ishan	Installed `postgresql` package and it was accidentally updated to postgresql 14. Now, It doesn't want to start because the data is from pgsql13. 
2022-05-02 14:38:43	baltazar	and yes, currently whenever I start `pinentry-qt`, the backtrace is the same
2022-05-02 14:39:06	ishan	pg_upgrade requires a binaries from pgsql13 installation. postgresql13 AUR conflicts with postgresql package 
2022-05-02 14:39:09	ishan	:tears: 
2022-05-02 14:39:25	ishan	just going to go back to pgsql13 
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2022-05-02 14:39:49	grawity	ishan: we have postgresql-old-upgrade for that
2022-05-02 14:40:10	baltazar	but it doesn't always "infect" pinentry-qt, it's always some random program, but no matter what it is, until I reboot it will segfault immediately inside ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
2022-05-02 14:40:13	grawity	it's a side-by-side install that's always 1 version behind
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2022-05-02 14:40:19	ishan	huh you all are awesome 
2022-05-02 14:40:31	ishan	thank you so much grawity 
2022-05-02 14:41:33	ishan	omg and it's just a binary installation 
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2022-05-02 14:41:39	ishan	don't have to build it like postgresql13 
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2022-05-02 14:41:58	baltazar	I've also tried writing 3 to `/proc/sys/vm/drop_caches` in case a cached shared lib has been corrupted in memory only but that doesn't help
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2022-05-02 14:42:43	grawity	and it's always only that one program?
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2022-05-02 14:43:41	baltazar	well, not sure, I think sometimes there are more than one, but I guess I won't find out till I try starting them
2022-05-02 14:44:12	Edu4rdSHL	reactormonk[m], post the full output then using a paste service
2022-05-02 14:44:26	baltazar	huh, yea. I just tried starting dolphin, it crases the same way as well
2022-05-02 14:45:00	baltazar	pretty sure any qt app will crash now
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2022-05-02 14:45:38	Edu4rdSHL	baltazar, `pacman -Qs glibc` and `pacman -Qkk glibc`
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2022-05-02 14:45:42	reactormonk[m]	Edu4rdSHL: https://gist.github.com/reactormonk/1d218c4fd6ddcd318c2f242d9da73a0a
2022-05-02 14:46:20	grawity	hmm I guess I'd start with LD_DEBUG=all or something
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2022-05-02 14:46:43	baltazar	Edu4rdSHL: I have glibc 2.35-3, no actual issues on the filesystem. again, if I were to reboot now, it would all be fine again
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2022-05-02 14:47:29	Edu4rdSHL	reactormonk[m], check /etc/pacman.d/hooks/ and see which one has the "Updating TeXLive format files" text
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2022-05-02 14:47:45	Edu4rdSHL	Then check which package owns that file
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2022-05-02 14:48:03	reactormonk[m]	Edu4rdSHL: empty :-/
2022-05-02 14:48:08	reactormonk[m]	The folder, that is
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2022-05-02 14:48:21	baltazar	grawity: ooft, that just printed 2964141 lines before segfaulting. the last printed line is binding file /usr/lib/libQt5QuickTemplates2.so.5 [0] to /usr/lib/libQt5QuickTemplates2.so.5 [0]: normal symbol `_ZTI21QQuickTumblerAttached' [Qt_5_PRIVATE_API]
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2022-05-02 19:58:19	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
2022-05-02 19:58:20	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1502 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1500 normals)
2022-05-02 17:22:01	scorpka	hey gu ys whick irc client do you use?
2022-05-02 17:22:29	NoImNotNineVolt	irssi, or whatever is available.
2022-05-02 17:22:36	daru	weechat 
2022-05-02 17:22:53	NoImNotNineVolt	weechat seems more popular.
2022-05-02 17:23:03	artefact	erc
2022-05-02 17:23:11	scorpka	ok thx
2022-05-02 17:23:24	Nei	irssi has more stars on github;)
2022-05-02 17:24:10	daru	never tried any other client :D but I guess there are plenty of good ones out there
2022-05-02 17:24:43	daru	oh wait no, I've actually tried sic (suckless) once ... was a tad too minimalist ;)
2022-05-02 17:24:56	lowden	Nei: aren't you the guy who writes lot of weechat scripts ?
2022-05-02 17:25:17	Nei	I actually made some weechat scripts and some irssi scripts, but not a lot
2022-05-02 17:25:25	Nei	https://ircv3.net/software/clients may also interesting
2022-05-02 17:25:27	phrik	Title: Clients - IRCv3 (at ircv3.net)
2022-05-02 17:27:02	daru	oh cool, gonna bookmark that link. 
2022-05-02 17:39:08	s	test
2022-05-02 17:39:14	gehidore	fail
2022-05-02 17:58:12	fl4co	Hi. I'm using pipewire with wireplumber, I keep losing audio on my headphones until I manually switch output devices to Digital Audio S/PDIF and back to the headphones device. Also YT videos, for example, stay frozen until I restore audio the way I wrote
2022-05-02 17:59:03	fl4co	For example, I play a video on VLC, then when I close VLC I lose audio and have to switch devices to have it back
2022-05-02 18:39:43	Betal	was nvidia-lts moved from testing to extra without nvidia-utils?
2022-05-02 18:39:59	Scimmia	yep
2022-05-02 19:06:02	tyler	fl4co: have u got alsa installed?
2022-05-02 19:06:55	artefact	alsa-lib is a dep. of pipewire
2022-05-02 19:07:12	Scimmia	and alsa is part of the kernel
2022-05-02 19:10:38	tyler	i see
2022-05-02 19:11:38	tyler	weechat running perfectly via Tor. Nothing to need configure. I am very happy with torctl. :)
2022-05-02 19:28:09	bluray	I want to automate the installation of arch on multiple machines with a script. How would I go about copying the configuration of the main machine to the other machines?
2022-05-02 19:29:30	Edu4rdSHL	bluray, why not just create a base image with the configurations that you want and then install it throught the machines?
2022-05-02 19:36:24	bluray	Edu4rdSHL: good idea. I'm wondering if a bash script is even necessary
2022-05-02 19:36:56	tyler	Brilliant :)
2022-05-02 19:58:20	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-05-02 20:05:05	psychotron	is there rawtherapee help anywhere?
2022-05-02 20:05:32	psychotron	is it possible to change focal mm
2022-05-02 20:06:17	psychotron	I would like to change it because of hugin
2022-05-02 20:06:47	psychotron	now it is set to max
2022-05-02 20:07:35	psychotron	focal length should be around 25mm
2022-05-02 20:08:01	Naruni	hello, I'm trying to track down what is causing my disk to spin up. smartd is stopped, hd-idle is stopped, i have three terminals open. one with blktrace /dev/"$1" -o - | blkparse -i - (watching access to block device) one is inotifywait -mr /mergerfs (mergerfs mount point) and one with inotifywait -mr /mnt/data/d1 (actual mount point)
2022-05-02 20:08:16	Naruni	i just heard the drive spin up and there are no entries on any of the monitors
2022-05-02 20:08:16	psychotron	now when it is set to max the pictures dissapear from hugin
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2022-05-02 20:09:12	psychotron	where can I find rawtherapee channel?
2022-05-02 20:09:51	psychotron	is it possible to change focal lenght from pictures?
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2022-05-02 20:12:15	Namarrgon	psychotron: they have a forum
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2022-05-02 20:12:52	topcat001	psychotron: I use it occasionally but have never tried changing the focal length, sorry.
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2022-05-02 20:16:37	Naruni	rawtherapee = raw therapy or raw the rapee?
2022-05-02 20:18:31	topcat001	Naruni: it's a tool to edit digital images in caera raw format.
2022-05-02 20:18:38	topcat001	camera*
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2022-05-02 20:19:05	Edu4rdSHL	Naruni, what about checking with `iotop` and see if there's something happening in the backgroud which is causing the spins
2022-05-02 20:19:09	topcat001	so former
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2022-05-02 20:20:08	topcat001	There is also /proc/sys/vm/block_dump (1 - on 0 - off). It tends to be VERY verbose though.
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2022-05-02 20:21:37	Naruni	Edu4rdSHL: iotop is kinda finnicky, i haven't quite figured out how to only list processes with actual IO and leave them on the monitor screen.
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2022-05-02 20:22:12	Naruni	topcat001: i tried that but got a block_dump doesn't exist and also it didn't want to create the file entry when i tried to touch it
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2022-05-02 20:23:24	Naruni	echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump
2022-05-02 20:23:25	Naruni	-bash: /proc/sys/vm/block_dump: No such file or directory
2022-05-02 20:23:53	Naruni	touch /proc/sys/vm/block_dump
2022-05-02 20:23:55	Naruni	touch: cannot touch '/proc/sys/vm/block_dump': No such file or directory
2022-05-02 20:24:39	topcat001	yes sorry that is now outdated
2022-05-02 20:25:03	Naruni	Edu4rdSHL: iotop -a -o keeps the processes up, i'll watch that for a bit
2022-05-02 20:25:12	bluray	Edu4rdSHL: to create a base image with the configurations i want, i have to use archiso?
2022-05-02 20:25:43	Edu4rdSHL	bluray, that's an option, yes.
2022-05-02 20:25:46	susi	of course you don't have to use it
2022-05-02 20:25:47	Edu4rdSHL	There's mkosi too
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2022-05-02 20:26:18	Naruni	the problem with iotop is it doesn't say which target the io is pointing to, so there's a few entries such as pihole which isn't even aware of the sda device (it lives and runs only on an nvme device)
2022-05-02 20:26:26	teraflops	bluray: ansible
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2022-05-02 20:28:16	Naruni	is it possible that the drive is doing some weird spindown/spinup power management on it's own in firmware? they are seagate ironwolf drives which i haven't begun to diagnose with the seachest tools yet
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2022-05-02 20:31:14	topcat001	Can you unmount the disk completely and see if it spins up?
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2022-05-02 20:34:13	bluray	susi: i don't? i can use just dd?
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2022-05-02 20:36:32	teraflops	Naruni: hdparm -B is meant for that
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2022-05-02 20:39:44	Naruni	teraflops: seagate ironwolf doesn't use -B (APM) they have a different power management setting through seachest tools./dev/sda: APM_level      = not supported
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2022-05-02 20:40:16	psychotron	exiftool makes problem dissapear
2022-05-02 20:40:19	Naruni	topcat001: yes i think that might be the next step. it'll require me to take services down though
2022-05-02 20:40:46	psychotron	now I can use the pictures with hugin
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2022-05-02 20:41:35	Naruni	ok i just got a hit from 216 be/4 root          4.00 K    700.00 K  ?unavailable?  systemd-journald
2022-05-02 20:41:56	Naruni	disk tried to spin up then went back down
2022-05-02 20:42:42	Naruni	[56291.099971] EXT4-fs (dm-1): barriers disabled
2022-05-02 20:42:44	Naruni	[56291.198329] EXT4-fs (dm-1): mounted filesystem with writeback data mode. Quota mode: none.
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2022-05-03 18:38:06	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1494 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1492 normals)
2022-05-03 15:43:33	Khorne	Clearly
2022-05-03 15:43:42	Khorne	Also !offtopic
2022-05-03 15:44:14	bittin	Got my Arch stickers today :)
2022-05-03 15:44:45	WhyNotHugo	Bold of you to assume there's a team on this XD
2022-05-03 15:45:09	ponies	ThAt'S tHe JoKe~~!
2022-05-03 15:45:15	dostoyevsky2	bittin: If you have the stickers it seems odd to always say "I use arch, btw"
2022-05-03 15:45:43	bittin	dostoyevsky2, :p
2022-05-03 15:45:45	bittin	i don't
2022-05-03 15:56:00	Khorne	WhyNotHugo, well if availability is of such importance you surely have an oncall team for 24/7 support, no?
2022-05-03 15:56:24	WhyNotHugo	No, I'm the only person who does any tech for this shop.
2022-05-03 15:56:35	WhyNotHugo	But if the website yields 502 during deployments, then the clients just leave.
2022-05-03 15:56:57	Khorne	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-05-03 15:57:04	MacGyver	You'll need some kind of swarm coordination that automatically spins up containers in the first place.
2022-05-03 15:57:10	Khorne	An nginx proxy with several upstreams pointing to your containers
2022-05-03 15:57:20	Khorne	poor man's solution
2022-05-03 15:57:47	Khorne	If one isn't reachable it goes to the next upstream
2022-05-03 15:59:51	Khorne	That assumes your containers only contain the frontend and not the backend, otherwise you have to deal with keeping db's in sync and what not
2022-05-03 16:00:02	WhyNotHugo	MacGyver: Any specific suggestions?
2022-05-03 16:00:26	Khorne	15:37       Khorne │ k u b e r n e t e s
2022-05-03 16:00:39	WhyNotHugo	Something... less huge? XD
2022-05-03 16:00:41	Khorne	Of course then you have the trouble of running Kubernetes
2022-05-03 16:00:50	MacGyver	WhyNotHugo: Depends on what you're using in the first place.
2022-05-03 16:01:12	MacGyver	I know docker has docker swarm for this, but then I hate docker with a passion only rivaled by my hatred for C.
2022-05-03 16:01:22	WhyNotHugo	Well, currently in AWS ECS containers. But would like to move to something... open source, self-hosted.
2022-05-03 16:01:42	ponies	just shoot them a friendly message 
2022-05-03 16:01:59	MacGyver	The main thing is, if you automate the starting / stopping of service containers, then upgrading the thing that's being started becomes almost trivial.
2022-05-03 16:02:26	MacGyver	And you just wait for the old connections to die off before killing the old version.
2022-05-03 16:02:46	WhyNotHugo	Right, so I know I can write a script to reconfigure load balancer to re-route traffic, etc, etc...
2022-05-03 16:02:58	WhyNotHugo	But I was hoping for suggesions of something already made.
2022-05-03 16:03:57	billy02812	Does QT itself save an app's settings?  If so, how do I reset them?  diffpdf isn't showing one of the resizable panes.  I must have resized one to 0 size.  I haven't found a .config/diffpdf or .cache/diffpdf or something like that to just delete.
2022-05-03 16:04:07	ponies	if you cant reboot your server in ~1 minutes something is wrong WhyNotHugo 
2022-05-03 16:04:18	Khorne	WhyNotHugo, docker-compose can define upgrade configurations for rolling updates
2022-05-03 16:06:23	WhyNotHugo	Khorne: Oh? How does that work?
2022-05-03 16:06:51	Khorne	WhyNotHugo, should I send you a quote for my usual rates or is a link to the compose docs enough?
2022-05-03 16:07:11	billy02812	Oh, NVM, figured it out.  I should have used "locate -i diffpdf".  It's ".config/Qtrace Ltd./DiffPDF.conf"
2022-05-03 16:07:28	WhyNotHugo	Khorne: I can find the link, thanks for the pointers.
2022-05-03 16:07:40	Khorne	De nada
2022-05-03 16:08:37	ponies	this khorne is indigestible! 
2022-05-03 16:11:39	sorta	i want to set up a windows 10 vm, should i use qemu or virtualbox? i can only give it 4g ram and 2g ram 
2022-05-03 16:13:39	ponies	either. both work really well. and i think minimum is 4gb 
2022-05-03 16:14:38	ponies	in fact, virtualbox has 'seamless mode' im not sure whether qemu has that 
2022-05-03 16:14:43	nerditup	qemu is great, make sure you get the virtio drivers: https://github.com/virtio-win/virtio-win-pkg-scripts/blob/master/README.md
2022-05-03 16:15:35	ponies	and actually, if you play with the registery, you can use windows 11 
2022-05-03 16:15:42	sorta	also i want to root phones with this vm so i need to able to plug in an android and directly pass it to the vm 
2022-05-03 16:16:00	ponies	sorta: root it in native linux you dont need windows at all 
2022-05-03 16:17:53	sorta	ponies: redmi only makes windows compatible stuff :(
2022-05-03 16:18:17	sorta	only some really old non redmi phones work that way i think
2022-05-03 16:18:23	ponies	i dont get it.. you want to root it, right? thats fastboot iirc
2022-05-03 16:18:50	sorta	unlocking needs a windows app, some permission thing
2022-05-03 16:19:16	sorta	probably a frontend to fastboot anyway but idk
2022-05-03 16:19:24	sorta	its closed source
2022-05-03 16:19:35	MacGyver	sorta: libvirt on top of qemu/kvm.
2022-05-03 16:20:06	MacGyver	Virtualbox is ... decent, but honestly just the inferior option.
2022-05-03 16:22:53	nerditup	I thought you can just download the platform tools from Google, enable USB debugging and use fastboot to root? https://dl.google.com/android/repository/platform-tools-latest-linux.zip
2022-05-03 16:23:08	ponies	seamless mode! it doesnt take your sway keybindings away
2022-05-03 16:23:13	nerditup	fastboot to unlock***
2022-05-03 16:26:55	ponies	update archlinux-keyring? 
2022-05-03 16:30:24	ponies	you can make pacman store downloaded packages in the cache
2022-05-03 16:30:40	ponies	no you only have to run that once 
2022-05-03 16:32:21	ponies	how often does pacman fail? when your mirrors are out of sync or when sombody makes a typo, as i think this instance is
2022-05-03 16:32:33	ponies	anyway, aliasing pacman gives me the shivers, i dont do it
2022-05-03 16:33:07	Khorne	Does it even redownload them..
2022-05-03 16:33:15	Khorne	Should just keep them in the cache iirc
2022-05-03 16:33:27	dostoyevsky2	I've made pacman suicide itself by using symbolic links in /
2022-05-03 16:33:31	ponies	be default? not sure
2022-05-03 16:33:34	ponies	*by default
2022-05-03 16:33:41	Khorne	Hackerpcs, immediately after running pacman?
2022-05-03 16:33:49	Khorne	zz
2022-05-03 16:34:01	Khorne	paccache -rk1, keep at least one version 
2022-05-03 16:34:32	shadowless	I didn't clear my package cache for years, just did it the other day.. freed up 65GiB of space XD
2022-05-03 16:35:17	ponies	yeah that is nonsense! and that is likely why by default it's off
2022-05-03 16:35:23	Khorne	Yea..mine is 3.7G on my media machine..it's updated frequently and has all the bullshit installed
2022-05-03 16:35:59	Khorne	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-05-03 16:36:36	susi	I have a pacman hook for keeping pkg cache tidy
2022-05-03 16:36:36	Khorne	Why are you complaining about redownloading then? 
2022-05-03 16:37:02	Scimmia	That's anything but a modern solution
2022-05-03 16:37:17	ponies	its a solution to a problem which doesn't exist
2022-05-03 16:37:45	ponies	not anymore, am i right? 
2022-05-03 16:38:17	ponies	i doubt that
2022-05-03 16:38:20	susi	Scimmia: to whom was your line?
2022-05-03 16:38:23	ponies	!check if we use the same distro
2022-05-03 16:38:23	phrik	Testing if we use the same distro: [FAIL]
2022-05-03 16:38:28	Khorne	Basically catastrophic failure of the entire internet
2022-05-03 16:38:45	Khorne	If you wrap all of pacman anyways, there's your solution
2022-05-03 16:39:26	ponies	why would you clear the paru cache anyway? 
2022-05-03 16:40:24	ponies	!reboot 
2022-05-03 16:40:24	phrik	To save yourself some time, reboot your computer in the background using `systemctl reboot &`
2022-05-03 16:40:26	raster	ha! well i'll be. gimp can't load this file but my file manager can make thumbnails of it just fine... yay!
2022-05-03 16:40:44	Khorne	Hackerpcs, and? Update keyring then and reapply
2022-05-03 16:41:57	Khorne	Hackerpcs, you're about 10 years late to that party, SyncFirst was abandoned in 2013
2022-05-03 16:42:26	Khorne	Not my problem
2022-05-03 16:42:40	ponies	the solution is the type the command and move on with your life 
2022-05-03 16:42:45	Khorne	It's not a bug
2022-05-03 16:42:50	Khorne	Actually, none of this is my problem
2022-05-03 16:42:52	Khorne	!bail
2022-05-03 16:42:52	phrik	Looks like Khorne is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-05-03 16:43:03	ponies	this khone is indigestible!
2022-05-03 16:43:46	susi	now that you have upgraded your keyring, there should be no more problems?
2022-05-03 16:46:39	raster	Hackerpcs: do you mean auto-umport of keys fail and you are forced to install archlinux-keyring to have things work?
2022-05-03 16:46:52	raster	(sorry missed the conversation - was busy)
2022-05-03 16:54:45	cedb	is anyone using bluetooth successfully on arch? I thought it was a iwlwifi problem i was having on my dekstop but im having issues on my laptop too with a usb bluetooth PnP type of thing 
2022-05-03 16:55:03	cedb	all bluez, bluez-utils etc are installed
2022-05-03 16:55:36	ponies	well what is the problem? 
2022-05-03 16:56:06	cedb	i always get "Bluetooth service was skipped because of a failed condition check (ConditionPathIsDirectory=/sys/class/bluetooth)." in my logs, i can modprobe -r bluetooth and modprobe bluetooth to get the service to start but then in bluetoothctl it says "no default controller available"
2022-05-03 16:56:22	cedb	and its not listed at all in rfkill 
2022-05-03 16:57:41	ponies	no listed in rfkill? 
2022-05-03 16:57:50	ponies	:\ should be listed there 
2022-05-03 16:58:39	raster	cedb: yup. using bt fine and dandy :) written lots of code to support it...
2022-05-03 16:58:50	cedb	ya, and for two machines, one with a iwlwifi and one with dongle
2022-05-03 16:59:11	cedb	raster: ok thanks good to know it works somewhere and im just no setup properly
2022-05-03 16:59:39	ponies	how can you start a device that doesnt exist? 
2022-05-03 16:59:41	raster	well im at the point of not needing cmdline tools... as i have my wm swizzle allthe stuff for me
2022-05-03 16:59:51	raster	including rfkill unblocking bt when powering it on etc.
2022-05-03 17:00:13	cedb	ponies: you can start the service even if theres no device
2022-05-03 17:00:18	raster	but bluetoothctl has cmds to list adapters etc
2022-05-03 17:00:34	raster	just type help in its intertactive mode (run it and you get an interactive shell)
2022-05-03 17:00:47	raster	list
2022-05-03 17:00:50	raster	that should list adapters
2022-05-03 17:00:52	raster	e.g.
2022-05-03 17:00:56	raster	Controller 44:01:BB:A9:D7:C3 cubie [default]
2022-05-03 17:01:00	cedb	list returns nothing 
2022-05-03 17:01:03	raster	nothing listed?
2022-05-03 17:01:07	ponies	power on; scan on
2022-05-03 17:01:17	raster	ok. no no device at all.
2022-05-03 17:01:24	sorta	nerditup: https://en.miui.com/unlock/download_en.html
2022-05-03 17:01:26	phrik	Title: Apply for permissions to unlock Mi devices (at en.miui.com)
2022-05-03 17:01:41	sorta	this needs windows
2022-05-03 17:03:07	cedb	ya ive kind of given up on the iwlwifi bluetooth working but the dongle on my laptop that just adds insult to injury
2022-05-03 17:03:46	raster	cedb: what bt device is it? i have a usb bt dongle that works a charm on my desktop (mpow branded one... they even advertise linux compatibility in their marketing and it works a treat)
2022-05-03 17:03:58	cedb	https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B09DMP6T22/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
2022-05-03 17:04:07	raster	cedb: i have bt working fine on all my laptops too (they all are intel boxen so... :/)
2022-05-03 17:04:08	ponies	idk how you can have an empty rkfill and a systemd service running with no errors 
2022-05-03 17:04:13	cedb	should work PnP on linux according to the /internets/
2022-05-03 17:04:41	raster	cedb:  hmm lsusb shows the usb device is found?
2022-05-03 17:05:32	cedb	ahh nvm the dongle works
2022-05-03 17:05:47	cedb	proof that its goddamn iwlwifi ...PROOF!
2022-05-03 17:05:54	cedb	f*cking iwlwifi
2022-05-03 17:06:12	raster	cedb: oh you dodnt plug the dongle in?
2022-05-03 17:06:22	raster	(before)
2022-05-03 17:07:10	cedb	well i have a desktop with a wifi card for which bluetooth used to work and a laptop whose wifi card is oldschool and i have a dongle for the latter, which it turns out works if plugged in before starting the service
2022-05-03 17:07:18	cedb	gonna try a dongle on the desktop too i guess
2022-05-03 17:08:10	raster	interesting that the on board bt doesnt work. i've had good luck on all my laptops so far
2022-05-03 17:08:32	raster	it's more a problem of some bt gadgets being hit and miss. i've had some uglies with some cheap bt earbuds
2022-05-03 17:08:44	raster	i bouight some better ones and they work much better. :)
2022-05-03 17:08:58	ponies	^ cheap dongles are bad
2022-05-03 17:09:06	cedb	well on the laptop its  a libre wifi card and an old T400 :-)
2022-05-03 17:09:16	raster	bt mice and kbds no problems. bt pairing phones and then using the phones to bt tether has been fine too
2022-05-03 17:09:35	raster	the only thing i've yet to make "just work" is obex xfer of files
2022-05-03 17:09:58	cedb	ive discussed the iwlwifi bluetooth thing before here and was lead to the kernel bugzilla so...
2022-05-03 17:09:59	sorta	is one supposed to use the latest version of virtio-win or the stable version?
2022-05-03 17:11:30	sorta	"In the following sections we will mostly use the stable ISO file " never mind
2022-05-03 17:11:47	cedb	on another note, i rsync my home dir from time to time and sometimes its really slow, esp for small text files, is it possible its because its trying to do some overkill deltas/merge on the text files?
2022-05-03 17:12:00	cedb	like its faster to transfer a movie than my .zshrc its ridiculous
2022-05-03 17:12:18	Hello71	did you specify -y
2022-05-03 17:12:56	cedb	no just -a --delete --execlude-from=<somefile>
2022-05-03 17:13:36	ponies	cedb: oh-my-zsh? 
2022-05-03 17:13:47	cedb	shamefully yes
2022-05-03 17:13:58	cedb	but .zshrc just sources it...
2022-05-03 17:14:01	ponies	yep that is your problem
2022-05-03 17:14:24	ponies	i dont know why.. but its a piece of shit 
2022-05-03 17:14:29	sorta	just use fish already if you're using omz :D
2022-05-03 17:14:33	sorta	(/s)
2022-05-03 17:14:52	cedb	i can pretend im posix when i use zsh :-)
2022-05-03 17:15:28	ponies	that makes no sense
2022-05-03 17:15:53	cedb	also like i said i just source oh-my-zsh.sh in my .zshrc i dont use their silly autogenerated file so i dont think thats the issue
2022-05-03 17:16:16	ponies	test with $ bash; rsync md 
2022-05-03 17:16:20	ponies	*command
2022-05-03 17:16:53	ponies	notice how bash doesnt hang for like 10 seconds. and sure vanilla zsh wouldn't either 
2022-05-03 17:16:59	cedb	ponies: how so, zhs is a superset of sh, you can stitch zsh commands from your history and get a sh compliant script ... i dont know much about fish but doesnt either
2022-05-03 17:17:16	cedb	ponies: you mean try to run rsync from a bash shell?
2022-05-03 17:17:24	ponies	^ yep
2022-05-03 17:17:33	cedb	alrighty will try 
2022-05-03 17:18:45	raster	cedb: eh? no rsync dues does block detlas i believe - it isnt going to special case text files.
2022-05-03 17:19:06	raster	cedb: i've used rsync for decades and the only thing i have learned to do is NOT use the checksumming as that is costly
2022-05-03 17:19:18	raster	relying on stat info is good enough and much faster
2022-05-03 17:20:48	cedb	well im not passing -c so idk why it should be so slow
2022-05-03 17:21:36	sorta	seriously how much space does windows need at the minimum?
2022-05-03 17:22:10	sorta	i think i will go with qcow this time instead of usual raw
2022-05-03 17:23:07	gehidore	avoid the qcow imho
2022-05-03 17:23:21	sorta	but raw can't be resized
2022-05-03 17:23:34	sorta	and i only have 87g left in my puny drive :(
2022-05-03 17:23:48	susi	omz is horrible n bloat
2022-05-03 17:24:10	susi	never quite understood why would anyone want 100000 plugns and themes when they are probably going to use just a few anyway, and could easily set up those few manually
2022-05-03 17:24:43	sorta	just use fish already smh its not like you're programming all the time in your shell :/
2022-05-03 17:24:52	jelle	> manually
2022-05-03 17:25:20	sorta	fish even has a browser based easy customizer for basic stuff like colourscheme and prompt...
2022-05-03 17:25:45	sorta	*anyway* why you asking me to not use qcow2 gehidore ?
2022-05-03 17:26:47	susi	I have once set my prompt and color scheme, and that's it... no need to alter them anymore
2022-05-03 17:27:16	sorta	windows' minimum requirements page is funny 
2022-05-03 17:27:39	sorta	"oh no no we only need 2gb of ram"
2022-05-03 17:28:44	shadowless	probably needs 2gb to run the notification program that notifies you that you need more ram
2022-05-03 17:29:02	susi	actually you can make Windows run pretty smoothly on low-end hardware :)
2022-05-03 17:29:03	cedb	susi: i said i used it shamefully no need to emphasize
2022-05-03 17:29:25	cedb	everytime someone says what I use is bloat i port a perfectly fine cli app to electron
2022-05-03 17:29:55	sorta	susi: teach me your ways, sensei
2022-05-03 17:30:09	gehidore	what do you mean you can't resize raw?
2022-05-03 17:30:34	sorta	i dont think virtmanager can resize raw volumes
2022-05-03 17:31:25	sorta	can it?
2022-05-03 17:35:03	sorta	ah whatever ill just allocate 30g of raw space and hope for the best, ive run out of patience.
2022-05-03 17:36:17	gehidore	don't know what virtmanager can do but the core tools can resize raw just fine
2022-05-03 17:36:28	susi	sorta: no ways, I just have installed Win 7/8/10 on so many low-end laptops these past years, that I know it can run on garbage
2022-05-03 17:37:23	ponies	sorta: isnt the answer still the flash TWRP and then install the rom? isnt this what normal people do? 
2022-05-03 17:38:41	sorta	ponies: you cant flash twrp without unlocking the phone first for which you need windows. any fastboot command will fail
2022-05-03 17:38:59	sorta	gehidore: could you link me to the documentation of the core tools? i must have missed it.
2022-05-03 17:44:24	Andyrew	my internet is caped and I want to use reduce my usage while building AUR packages which uses git
2022-05-03 17:44:59	sorta	ah ugly windows install screen... i have *not* missed you.
2022-05-03 17:45:15	gehidore	sorta you can use dd to do it, always make a backup of course
2022-05-03 17:45:47	sorta	i read something about virtio-resize on a red hat page but i can't get anything with -F
2022-05-03 17:46:08	demonicmaniac1	don't delete the git checkout so you only have to git pull the updates
2022-05-03 17:46:17	Andyrew	so there are two things I have noticed, packages which relay on submodules do always redownload the submodules (is there a way to cache the git repos system wide?)
2022-05-03 17:47:00	Andyrew	and the other thing is, do I have ti download the full history instead of just the targeted branch/tag?
2022-05-03 17:47:54	ponies	Andyrew: would CacheDir in /etc/pacman.conf do it? this is all i can think of
2022-05-03 17:49:12	Andyrew	no, that is something else I mean caching the git repos themselves
2022-05-03 17:49:20	Andyrew	non aur git repos
2022-05-03 17:49:31	gehidore	sorta you can also use qemu-img to resize them
2022-05-03 17:49:53	Andyrew	like for example a source of the software is a git repo, so when I do a "clean" build it will delete the source
2022-05-03 17:50:02	Andyrew	so it requiers recloning
2022-05-03 17:51:57	ponies	git does --depth which creates a shallow clone
2022-05-03 17:52:14	ponies	 Implies
2022-05-03 17:52:33	ponies	"Implies --single-branch"
2022-05-03 17:53:49	ponies	and --shallow-submodules 
2022-05-03 17:57:52	J_Darnley	!paste
2022-05-03 17:57:52	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-05-03 18:00:14	Scimmia	Andyrew: see SRCDEST in makepkg.conf
2022-05-03 18:00:37	Scimmia	as far as submodules, that relies on the person writing the PKGBUILD to do it correctly
2022-05-03 18:13:02	Andyrew	I see, thank you all
2022-05-03 18:38:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-05-03 18:59:14	sorta	0x80070643 fatal error i get this trying to install virtio-win
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2022-05-03 19:06:12	sorta	!paste
2022-05-03 19:06:12	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-05-03 19:06:12	sorta	https://bpa.st/TZ2A is the log
2022-05-03 19:06:12	phrik	Title: View paste TZ2A (at bpa.st)
2022-05-03 19:06:23	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-05-03 19:22:58	sorta	the virtio driver installs keep failing
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2022-05-03 19:30:10	sorta	no amount of rebooting is fixing this ':(
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2022-05-03 19:33:34	gehidore	try a new copy of the installer?
2022-05-03 19:33:50	sorta	i just downlaoded the iso file from github
2022-05-03 19:34:37	sorta	inserted the iso and ran the installer
2022-05-03 19:35:58	sorta	gehidore: do you mean download the "latest" release?
2022-05-03 19:36:07	sorta	i tried with 'stable' like it says in the wiki
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2022-05-03 20:34:19	Bayes	dang
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2022-05-03 20:34:39	Bayes	I don't see any usb or uvc update in my logs but this just happened http://ix.io/3WTF o_O
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2022-05-03 20:34:47	Bayes	agh so erratic
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2022-05-03 20:36:27	gehidore	if only usb wasn't so flaky
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2022-05-03 20:36:55	Bayes	idk, is usb usually a pita?
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2022-05-03 20:41:12	varl	ooof. i get this: [  127.328300] FAT-fs (nvme0n1p1): error, fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 205097) and that it remounts the EFI partition in read-only mode
2022-05-03 20:41:29	varl	linux works fine, dual-booting to windows fails every time even though the files are there
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2022-05-03 20:44:11	varl	not really finding anything relevant when i'm searching around for what the problem may be, gonna try to run fsck on the drives and see if that turns anything up
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2022-05-03 21:01:54	lambda	varl: just copy everything off and reformat the ESP
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2022-05-03 21:02:18	lambda	it's FAT, breaking it is pretty easy
2022-05-03 21:02:36	varl	lambda: aight, i was concerned ro meant the drive was in bad shape
2022-05-03 21:02:55	varl	i'll hit the esp with a hammer then, thanks
2022-05-03 21:03:19	susi	I'd run fsck for it
2022-05-03 21:03:20	lambda	it's possible, but probably the fs just got corrupted through normal means
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2022-05-03 21:04:16	susi	man fsck.fat tells it will correc those invalid cluster chains
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2022-05-03 21:04:40	varl	i mean some exercise should do it
2022-05-03 21:04:54	lambda	I don't think there's a way to correct broken cluster chains in the general case
2022-05-03 21:05:20	susi	not correct the cluster chains per se, but make it rw-mountable again
2022-05-03 21:05:32	lambda	but why do that when you can just nuke it?
2022-05-03 21:06:10	mpan	varl: `smartctl -HA /dev/disk` is always a good place to start if you suspect medium corruption.
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2022-05-03 21:06:38	varl	thanks, i'll make a note of that command
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2022-05-03 21:08:34	mpan	You may also run a full SMART test: <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/S.M.A.R.T.#Run_a_test>. That takes a long time (up to hours), but is done asynchronously, so you can use computer during the test.
2022-05-03 21:08:34	phrik	Title: S.M.A.R.T. - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-05-04 10:16:08	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Help out testing the AUR https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2021-September/036567.html"
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2022-05-03 23:05:26	epenguin	the problem was my router was not plugged in... BRO
2022-05-03 23:05:37	epenguin	but my phones wifi worked fine. WTF is happening
2022-05-03 23:05:39	gehidore	heh
2022-05-03 23:05:47	gehidore	cause your phone has a fallback to cellular I'd presume
2022-05-03 23:05:59	epenguin	maybe but i had data turned off
2022-05-03 23:06:00	epenguin	so weird
2022-05-03 23:06:03	epenguin	whatever problem solved
2022-05-04 00:19:59	jjholt	laptop isn't exactly new 3rd gen i5 12GB ddr3 and the pi isn't doing anything but collecting dust
2022-05-04 01:07:30	solsTiCe	hi. sudo -i isn't supposed to reset the environment ? why do I get in my path as root the same PATH as my user ? Just noticing this because munin is erroring out, wiht something related to ENV($PATH) Insecure directory in $ENV{PATH} while running with -T switch at /usr/bin/munin-run line 170. when try a munin-run
2022-05-04 01:17:30	mpan	solsTiCe: see 2 paragraphs *above* the linked section: <https://man.archlinux.org/man/sudoers.5.en#SUDOERS_FILE_FORMAT>.
2022-05-04 01:17:32	phrik	Title: sudoers(5) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2022-05-04 01:20:28	solsTiCe	mpan: ok. thanks. don't know what to think about that
2022-05-04 01:28:17	solsTiCe	I have added "Defaults env_check +="PATH" to sudoers. seems to get what I want
2022-05-04 01:30:24	solsTiCe	what is weird why did munin begin to error out becuase that env(PATH) problem ? since the 2th after I run pacman -Syu, but there is nothing significant
2022-05-04 01:30:57	mpan	No idea
2022-05-04 01:34:20	solsTiCe	never mind
2022-05-04 05:33:11	bn_work	hi, new to Arch and currently just trying to understand it more.  Does Arch have a similar package management system to `yum` in the sense with things like `yum provides ...`?  (coming from a CentOS/RHEL + Ubuntu background and always felt `apt` was confusingly awkward to use and `yum` being slightly easier IMO).  Also, does Arch suffer the same the issue with repos "breaking" once the distro
2022-05-04 05:33:11	bn_work	changes to a newer version and they 
2022-05-04 05:33:11	bn_work	change the URLs? ex: to `archive.foo...`, etc.-  which I never understood why that happened with Ubuntu since it rolls too, no?  
2022-05-04 05:34:09	gehidore	ubuntu is not rolling release in the sense that arch is
2022-05-04 05:34:33	NoobAlice	bn_work: Many people find this guide for package management commands handy: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Rosetta
2022-05-04 05:34:35	phrik	Title: pacman/Rosetta - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-04 05:35:51	NoobAlice	bn_work: Repos in Arch don't break like that.  You use the same repos all the time unless you decide to add non-official ones yourself.  But there is no need to do so.
2022-05-04 05:37:05	bn_work	gehidore: how are they different?
2022-05-04 05:37:11	NoobAlice	bn_work: Most updates you just use "pacman -Syu" and everything is updated.  For most things where you would need to do something special, there is a new item on the home page.  See latest news: https://archlinux.org/
2022-05-04 05:37:12	phrik	Title: Arch Linux (at archlinux.org)
2022-05-04 05:38:45	bn_work	NoobAlice: ah, thanks, looks like in Arch it's `pacman -F`?
2022-05-04 05:39:49	NoobAlice	Yes, you can use that to find how to get the package that will let you use a specific command.
2022-05-04 05:44:29	NoobAlice	I used apt on my old distro and found it tricky.  Pacman seems more intuitive because it is just the one "pacman" command to handle almost everything, instead of apt and apt-cache and apt-get and dpkg etc...
2022-05-04 05:45:23	bn_work	NoobAlice: yes, exactly! and then `aptitude` felt like just a bandaid and not a real solution
2022-05-04 05:45:31	NoobAlice	:)
2022-05-04 05:46:22	bn_work	So does Arch have a concept of "stable" branch?  Coming from CentOS, things tend to be very unchanging which I guess leads to less breakage but it seems every time I ask questions over in #systemd, I get chided for being on an "old version"
2022-05-04 05:48:04	NoobAlice	bn_work: Everything is in the main repos, except that sometimes the maintainers will put things in Testing first if they find it necessary.  (You can use the Testing repos, but it is optional.)  And the Testing delay, if that specific package goes there, is only for the time necessary to get it working right.
2022-05-04 05:48:46	julie_pilgrim	bn_work: it depends on how stable you find the main branch, really :p
2022-05-04 05:48:49	NoobAlice	bn_work: For almost every program I use, if a new version is released it will be in the main repos in hours or days.  It's really nice :)
2022-05-04 05:49:31	julie_pilgrim	that's the power of arch and it's userbase
2022-05-04 05:49:39	julie_pilgrim	s/it's/its
2022-05-04 05:51:39	NoobAlice	bn_work: I actually switched to Arch because I was tired of running into bugs, then finding they'd been fixed upstream multiple years ago and my distro just didn't have the current version.  :P
2022-05-04 05:52:55	julie_pilgrim	i hated installing things from apt because there was like a 60% chance the package was outdated and i'll have to install some other way
2022-05-04 05:53:12	bn_work	ok, on test systems that seems good but I'm a bit cautious being on "bleeding edge"  for prod systems, how do things get proper test coverage with a rolling model? something that doesn't break is preferable over "vLatest that introduced regression X"... ?
2022-05-04 05:53:29	NoobAlice	julie_pilgrim: Hah, yeah, so much hunting for decent PPAs.
2022-05-04 05:53:51	julie_pilgrim	i also hated upgrading
2022-05-04 05:54:27	julie_pilgrim	i remember i wanted to compile something on mint and i came to the realization that i needed to reinstall everything 
2022-05-04 05:54:46	julie_pilgrim	it was particularly annoying because i had a slow hdd
2022-05-04 05:55:20	bn_work	that seems to be a problem with package managers I feel, things snowball due to dependencies
2022-05-04 05:55:33	julie_pilgrim	now i just pacman -Syu and pray to the gods above that nothing broke
2022-05-04 05:56:08	bn_work	right, so how does QA/testing work in this rolling model?
2022-05-04 05:56:21	julie_pilgrim	wym?
2022-05-04 05:57:10	NoobAlice	I think stuff has broken for me a couple of times for stupid stuff I did.   And that was it?  And then once sane stopped working, and it was because of a weird permissions change...
2022-05-04 05:58:03	julie_pilgrim	although at work we still use debian(i work as a sysadmin) so im not completely free lol
2022-05-04 05:58:18	NoobAlice	bn_work: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Official_repositories#Testing_repositories=
2022-05-04 05:58:20	phrik	Title: Official repositories - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-04 05:59:30	bn_work	julie_pilgrim: I'm assuming since it's rolling, there are no milestone releases? and distro test coverage isn't validated against vX.Y?  and testing just depends on whatever upstream tested?
2022-05-04 05:59:57	NoobAlice	bn_work: If you ever have a horrible break and can't fix it, you can either restore your backups (you *do* keep good backups, right?) or you can downgrade your entire system to the last good date with https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux_Archive
2022-05-04 05:59:59	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Archive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-04 06:01:28	julie_pilgrim	bn_work: arch doesn't have milestone releases(we don't need them, anyways) and pretty much, yea to both questions 
2022-05-04 06:03:22	beest	bn_work: packages in core go through testing first, as well as certain other suites of packages
2022-05-04 06:06:01	beest	DEs also tend to go through testing (and are often also staged before that)
2022-05-04 06:06:59	beest	basically anything that can cause major stability and breakage and is non-trivial to just roll back
2022-05-04 06:07:32	beest	s/stab/instab/
2022-05-04 06:07:35	bn_work	julie_pilgrim: depending on the upstream project size, there may not be enough test coverage upstream, so having a distro that does integration/validation testing against a specific release seems like it'd be reassuring (at least in the eyes of corps I think).  Does Arch have a commercial support option like CentOS/RHEL?
2022-05-04 06:08:00	bn_work	beest: DEs?
2022-05-04 06:08:19	beest	desktop environments, i.e. gnome, kde, etc
2022-05-04 06:08:43	bn_work	ah
2022-05-04 06:09:24	julie_pilgrim	bn_work: i mean if you want a distro with commerical support, then go use a distro with commerical support
2022-05-04 06:09:26	beest	and no, there is no commercial support option, if you're running arch in production you are expected to know what you're doing, and if something breaks you get to keep the pieces
2022-05-04 06:10:27	beest	unless you're valve and can bribe arch devs with steam decks
2022-05-04 06:10:38	SponiX	lol
2022-05-04 06:10:39	JTL	beest: what about bribing with pizza?
2022-05-04 06:10:52	julie_pilgrim	JTL: that doesn't count, anyone can be bribed with pizza
2022-05-04 06:10:58	JTL	thats the joke
2022-05-04 06:11:09	beest	well some of the arch staff is probably better bribed with beer
2022-05-04 06:11:27	JTL	those germans like their beer
2022-05-04 06:11:57	julie_pilgrim	beest: if it was still 2012 i would say "that explains the switch to systemd"
2022-05-04 06:12:05	beest	and alad can always be lured with hardbass, like the pied piper
2022-05-04 06:12:08	bn_work	julie_pilgrim:  I mean *I* don't mind no commercial support :) but it seems companies get nervous around Linux because some distros don't have it (that's why RHEL/CentOS seemed like the best of both worlds... well, until recently)
2022-05-04 06:12:46	julie_pilgrim	well, *shrug* if companies don't like us, what can we do about it?
2022-05-04 06:12:47	SponiX	bn_work: you are aware that Alma and Rocky pick up where CentOS left off?
2022-05-04 06:13:47	julie_pilgrim	also what happened to centos?  googling it doesn't seem to bring up anything
2022-05-04 06:13:49	bn_work	julie_pilgrim: ha, it came down to beer? :P
2022-05-04 06:14:55	SponiX	julie_pilgrim: Red Hat changed CentOS to be a middle step in between Fedora and REL instead of it being a source compatible REL like it was prior
2022-05-04 06:15:01	beest	julie_pilgrim: https://www.centos.org/centos-stream/
2022-05-04 06:15:02	phrik	Title: CentOS Stream (at www.centos.org)
2022-05-04 06:15:06	julie_pilgrim	ah!
2022-05-04 06:15:13	SponiX	julie_pilgrim: So, now you have Alma and Rocky that do what CentOS did prior
2022-05-04 06:15:25	julie_pilgrim	interesting
2022-05-04 06:15:59	beest	and centos stream is their focus now, for better or worse
2022-05-04 06:16:03	bn_work	SponiX:  haven't really looked much into Alma, but I did look at Rocky and sadly there is no migration path from CentOS 7.X :(
2022-05-04 06:16:45	SponiX	bn_work: Yes, you have to fight your way up to 8.4 before using the migration scripts. my prior co-worker just ran into that
2022-05-04 06:16:45	julie_pilgrim	if i felt like being an ass i could say that if you aren't all that tech savvy you shouldn't be using linux in the first place
2022-05-04 06:17:16	SponiX	bn_work: and in his journey to 8.4 a LOT of the mirrors along the way had dropped package collections so it was a challenge for him
2022-05-04 06:17:36	bn_work	SponiX: yeah, I thought the redefining of what it was to be kinda a "cheap shot" that only causes confusion, to say the least
2022-05-04 06:18:34	SponiX	bn_work: personally, I've been on Arch for a couple of years now. And I've had less than a handful of things "break". 
2022-05-04 06:19:35	julie_pilgrim	the only thing i've really had an issue with is xorg
2022-05-04 06:19:41	bn_work	julie_pilgrim:  again, I myself have no problems with the "no commercial support" thing, I just am trying to think of how to convince companies that a "no commercial support" distro is acceptable
2022-05-04 06:20:02	beest	not every distro wants to target commercial production
2022-05-04 06:20:09	beest	sometimes that's a compromise
2022-05-04 06:21:06	gehidore	in this scenario arch doesn't sound a good fit anyways
2022-05-04 06:21:11	julie_pilgrim	bn_work: you don't _have_ to convince them, im not too familiar with things like that, but im sure there's good commerical support distros out there, somewhere 
2022-05-04 06:21:14	beest	arch certainly wouldn't be at the top of my list of distros to recommend to companies, but it manages to be a fit in certain contextas
2022-05-04 06:22:16	bn_work	beest: yeah, in a way that's good thing, as it frees it from financial incentives driving things (which may conflict with the best interest of the user) but the reality is FOSS doesn't exist in a vacuum so some sort of symbiosis seems to eventually develop
2022-05-04 06:22:54	beest	hence arch linux being the distro that drives the new steam os
2022-05-04 06:24:18	bn_work	gehidore: the only benefit I can think of is that upgrades would be less painful
2022-05-04 06:24:44	gehidore	but more plentiful if the system is properly maintained
2022-05-04 06:24:49	bn_work	well, perhaps there's more, I'm obviously new to Arch :)
2022-05-04 06:25:22	beest	how painless upgrades are frequently depends on your competency and diligence
2022-05-04 06:25:40	beest	but i manage in spite of it
2022-05-04 06:26:01	gehidore	I'm lazy af and rarely upgrade more than once a month and have no issues
2022-05-04 06:26:05	bn_work	diligence in... ?
2022-05-04 06:26:19	beest	paying attention
2022-05-04 06:26:41	bn_work	oh, so if one gets too behind, you run into the same situation with packages disappearing?
2022-05-04 06:27:07	beest	i don't mean frequency, i mean awareness
2022-05-04 06:27:41	bn_work	but can that happen?
2022-05-04 06:27:55	beest	and packages will disappear if you don't upgrade and sync the database for a while and then try to install something that's been updated since, which is solved by upgrading
2022-05-04 06:28:04	gehidore	^
2022-05-04 06:28:20	beest	oh sure, if you're a dipshit you can break arch spectacularly
2022-05-04 06:28:36	beest	nothing that can't be fixed
2022-05-04 06:29:08	gehidore	it's all repairable
2022-05-04 06:29:09	ambition_echo	😃yes
2022-05-04 06:29:33	gehidore	I just updated this laptop having not done in in several months due to lack of use
2022-05-04 06:29:51	SponiX	I like the lack of struggle going from one point release to another
2022-05-04 06:30:28	sorta	ugh why can windows not just install virtio drivers....
2022-05-04 06:30:32	SponiX	when going between say Ubuntu LTS versions, you are lucky to survive without just backing up and doing a fresh install every couple of years
2022-05-04 06:30:41	gehidore	had to update hte keyring first, all was smooth though
2022-05-04 06:31:04	SponiX	gehidore: you just reminded me, I do have a laptop setting there that is behind
2022-05-04 06:36:04	mcurran	Why are there no guides to using an irc server as a botnet c&c anywhere?
2022-05-04 06:42:50	mcurran	does anyone have two independent gpu's working simultaneously in arch/linux (one gtx and another radeon r290x or whatever)?
2022-05-04 06:44:28	mcurran	I have a gtx 660 and an r 290x, i was planning on adding another gtx 660 and running in sli, but now I'm wondering if the single radeon would be better.  it says in the  comparisons that the 290x is 178% better than the gtx 660, but I also heard two gtx 660's in sli give freakish performance levels.
2022-05-04 06:51:42	beest	not in any way that's remotely comparable to an r9 290x (unless you mean the insane power draw you'd have) and iirc nvidia removed a lot of sli shit from the driver anyway (it was already a hot mess)
2022-05-04 06:56:41	beest	oh if you mean running two different cards in sli, that's already a hard no
2022-05-04 06:57:29	beest	although it seems you posed both scenarios just to test me LORD JESUS TAKE THE WHEEL
2022-05-04 07:00:10	⚡ 	mpan grabs beest and carries him to #aot.
2022-05-04 07:01:16	beest	MUMMY DON'T TAKE ME TO THE BAD PLACE AGAIN
2022-05-04 07:01:37	Patrick14159	yes :)
2022-05-04 07:03:13	Patrick14159	wow, the new fonts improve things a lot
2022-05-04 09:04:32	OrsenheimXP	Hello,
2022-05-04 09:05:08	OrsenheimXP	 I encounter the boot-error every time when booting system:
2022-05-04 09:05:16	OrsenheimXP	cp:can not create directory :'/run/initramfs/' no such file or directory    ---this message show in screen for 1-2 second, and then disappeared
2022-05-04 09:05:40	OrsenheimXP	after login in normally, I find  "/run/initramfs/" is already exist.
2022-05-04 09:05:42	OrsenheimXP	so, what the problem? how to solve it ?
2022-05-04 09:05:42	OrsenheimXP	please help me !  Thank you !!!
2022-05-04 09:11:03	Patrick14159	OrsenheimXP: not sure to be honest. but i wonder if you did something recently that could have caused the problem. an update, dkms doing changes, something like that
2022-05-04 09:13:24	OrsenheimXP	if  dkms doing changes,how to recover! how to solve this problem
2022-05-04 09:14:15	OrsenheimXP	I often upgrade arch-system every week!
2022-05-04 09:15:12	Patrick14159	OrsenheimXP: do you know this article already? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/General_troubleshooting#Fixing_a_broken_system ?
2022-05-04 09:15:13	phrik	Title: General troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-04 09:15:45	OrsenheimXP	sometimes I update arch-system every two-three days
2022-05-04 09:16:28	OrsenheimXP	I search it from  ArchWiki,but I find nothing.
2022-05-04 09:16:39	nl6720	it's possible that the message is not about /run/initramfs/ is not about real rootfs, but the initramfs. but that's just guessing unless you post the full journal from boot
2022-05-04 09:17:57	OrsenheimXP	please tell me how to  post the full journal from boot,please tell me the command 
2022-05-04 09:18:08	nl6720	!give OrsenheimXP ix
2022-05-04 09:18:09	phrik	OrsenheimXP: <command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-05-04 09:18:11	OrsenheimXP	I am not computer professional
2022-05-04 09:18:22	nl6720	the command is journalctl -b
2022-05-04 09:18:33	OrsenheimXP	let me try
2022-05-04 09:22:24	OrsenheimXP	I run "journalctl -b > ./bootjournal.txt",it has so many lines,2232 lines 
2022-05-04 09:22:44	OrsenheimXP	can I sent this txt to your ?
2022-05-04 09:23:13	nl6720	OrsenheimXP: use the curl command above ^
2022-05-04 09:24:51	nl6720	OrsenheimXP: my IRC client doesn't support DCC. unless there's something very private in that paste, please post it in the channel
2022-05-04 09:30:06	nl6720	OrsenheimXP: I do not appreciate receiving 2232 lines in a private message. you're in my ignore list now
2022-05-04 09:30:08	nl6720	!bail
2022-05-04 09:30:09	phrik	Looks like nl6720 is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-05-04 09:30:20	susi	OrsenheimXP: see the line phrik gave you
2022-05-04 09:32:07	susi	!give orsenheimxp ix
2022-05-04 09:32:07	phrik	orsenheimxp: <command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-05-04 09:37:55	susi	OrsenheimXP: journalctl -b |& curl -F 'file=@-' 0x0.st
2022-05-04 09:52:32	OrsenheimXP	I already run "journalctl -b |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io"\
2022-05-04 09:52:34	OrsenheimXP	I already run "journalctl -b |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io"
2022-05-04 09:52:36	OrsenheimXP	the output is "http://ix.io/3WVm"
2022-05-04 09:52:38	OrsenheimXP	please help me
2022-05-04 09:52:51	OrsenheimXP	I have run "journalctl -b |& curl -F 'file=@-' 0x0.st",after a long time,the output is "curl: (28) Failed to connect to 0x0.st port 80 after 130429 ms: Connection timed out" 
2022-05-04 09:52:54	OrsenheimXP	so what to do next?
2022-05-04 09:56:21	susi	[drm:atom_op_jump [radeon]] *ERROR* atombios stuck in loop for more than 5secs aborting <- that's something I'd check, but not related to your original issue
2022-05-04 09:56:39	Khorne	Is there even any problem you notice?
2022-05-04 09:57:49	jinmiaoluo	OrsenheimXP: you need a proxy server to access 0x0.st
2022-05-04 09:58:31	jelle	jinmiaoluo: not really
2022-05-04 09:59:13	OrsenheimXP	where to find proxy server? 
2022-05-04 09:59:15	Khorne	OrsenheimXP, also you have quiet and loglevel=3 the wrong way around
2022-05-04 09:59:30	Khorne	OrsenheimXP, do you even have a problem with that "error" message
2022-05-04 09:59:58	susi	1005.08  OrsenheimXP :  I encounter the boot-error every time when booting system:
2022-05-04 10:00:01	susi	1005.16  OrsenheimXP : cp:can not create directory :'/run/initramfs/' no such file or directory    ---this message show in screen for 1-2 second, and then disappeare
2022-05-04 10:00:07	susi	that was the original issue, but I don't see anything of that in the journal
2022-05-04 10:00:08	OrsenheimXP	That "error" message make me confused
2022-05-04 10:00:51	Khorne	Okay
2022-05-04 10:01:03	Khorne	Does anything not work in the booted system?
2022-05-04 10:02:28	barometz	it is an unfortunate fact that a lot of things emit error messages that are not actionable and/or don't need any user action
2022-05-04 10:02:50	Khorne	^
2022-05-04 10:03:00	jelle	dmesg being one :P
2022-05-04 10:03:07	Khorne	Set boot to quiet if nothing is broken and move on
2022-05-04 10:03:08	barometz	unless you're experiencing a problem - as Khorne says, does anything not work - it's... better for your blood pressure to ignore that
2022-05-04 10:04:36	OrsenheimXP	because I am not computer professional,That "error" message make me confused. I can not find any problem in background!
2022-05-04 10:06:36	OrsenheimXP	when arch-system  booting,I want to know that error messages come from where
2022-05-04 10:07:19	jelle	OrsenheimXP: are you using dracut?
2022-05-04 10:08:54	OrsenheimXP	how to verity whether to using  dracut
2022-05-04 10:09:26	OrsenheimXP	how to verify whether to using  dracut
2022-05-04 10:11:23	OrsenheimXP	I run "dracut --help",the output is :bash: dracut: command not found
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2022-05-04 10:21:44	OrsenheimXP	Can anybody help to solve the error? Can anyone know the error message  come from?
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2022-05-04 10:25:33	Khorne	I think you have to repeat the question 6 or 7 more times
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2022-05-04 10:25:55	talismanick	Anything good to have in ~/.bash_logout?
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2022-05-04 10:26:46	sorta	phrik: popcorn please.
2022-05-04 10:26:47	phrik	sorta: Is that a question?
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2022-05-04 10:27:19	sorta	phrik: popcorn
2022-05-04 10:27:20	phrik	http://i.imgur.com/4ii4K.gif
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2022-05-04 10:29:35	Andyrew	I'm trying to create an PKGBUILD for building a package from source, but I have no idea how I should handel this https://github.com/PufferPanel/PufferPanel/tree/master/systemd/scripts any idea where/how to deal with those files
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2022-05-04 10:30:59	@Foxboron	Andyrew: What do those files do?
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2022-05-04 10:31:49	@Foxboron	Ah man, debian stuff is terrible. Half of that stuff is meaningless if they could write a proper service file
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2022-05-04 10:34:39	Andyrew	so anyidea what to do with them?
2022-05-04 10:34:47	@Foxboron	Andyrew: You didn't answer :p
2022-05-04 10:35:49	Andyrew	they are basically like triggers for example postinstall create a .db file (used by the software) and chown some directories
2022-05-04 10:36:09	Andyrew	and that is for many events
2022-05-04 10:36:28	Andyrew	postremove do that postupgrade do this, etc
2022-05-04 10:36:30	@Foxboron	Close enough. It reloads the systemd files and enable services; don't pay attention to this as we don't do this in Arch
2022-05-04 10:36:46	@Foxboron	It creates a file and groups, for this you can use sysusers.d (look in the repos for examples)
2022-05-04 10:37:21	@Foxboron	For chowning files and directories.. well you can either rewrite the service files to use the state directories and stuff correctly. Then you'd avoid the issue
2022-05-04 10:37:24	@Foxboron	Or you use tmpfiles.d
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2022-05-04 10:37:56	@Foxboron	If you do want to use the database restore preupgrade/postupgrade stuff you could just make install scripts (pacman do support them).
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2022-05-04 10:43:26	Andyrew	this is going to be more painful than needed ugh
2022-05-04 10:43:56	@Foxboron	Not really. It's fairly standard packaging. But it is confusing the first time :)
2022-05-04 10:47:23	Khorne	Andyrew, you could look at the postgresql package in the repos which uses most of the required tooling, sysusers, tmpfiles and instal/post_upgrade
2022-05-04 10:48:03	@Foxboron	Ah yes, postgres should be doing similar stuff
2022-05-04 10:52:23	Andyrew	I see
2022-05-04 10:52:25	Andyrew	thank you
2022-05-04 10:52:32	Andyrew	will check on it later
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2022-05-04 13:53:01	grawity	hrmm I thought AUR doesn't allow force pushes
2022-05-04 13:53:43	grawity	but somehow my auto build thing got "fatal: Not possible to fast-forward, aborting" for google-cloud-sdk
2022-05-04 13:53:49	Scimmia	only from TUs
2022-05-04 13:59:20	@Foxboron	grawity: We can do AUR_OVERWRITE to remove secrets, personal details and malicious stuff if there is a need
2022-05-04 14:01:57	acegallagher	stupid question. i have one of these storage enclosures attached to my arch box. and in that enclosure i have a bunch of drives. and when i booted the computer up this go around one of the drives isn't showing partitionns in /dev/sdc*
2022-05-04 14:02:25	acegallagher	is there a way to ask linux to re-... something... that drive without unplugging/plugging it back in?
2022-05-04 14:03:42	Scimmia	it shows the drive but not partitions? partprobe may do it
2022-05-04 14:03:50	acegallagher	Scimmia: exactly
2022-05-04 14:05:55	Patrick14159	could somebody explain why we chgdir first to mount cwd then? "cd /mnt/partition && chroot . /bin/bash"
2022-05-04 14:06:26	vvn	!fixkeyring
2022-05-04 14:06:26	phrik	Your keyring issue would be probably fixed by: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
2022-05-04 14:06:38	Scimmia	'we' don't?
2022-05-04 14:06:56	Patrick14159	the wiki suggested it. thats why i used "we"
2022-05-04 14:07:07	Scimmia	where?
2022-05-04 14:07:27	grawity	acegallagher: if the disk as a whole is accessible, `partx -u` or `partprobe` will rescan partitions in userspace, but that's a weird situation to end up in
2022-05-04 14:07:34	Patrick14159	Scimmia: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Full_system_backup_with_tar#Changing_root
2022-05-04 14:07:36	phrik	Title: Full system backup with tar - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-04 14:07:41	grawity	acegallagher: it is possible to "delete" the whole USB device, then force a USB rescan via /sys
2022-05-04 14:07:55	Scimmia	ah, some random specialized page
2022-05-04 14:08:07	Patrick14159	its not random. i wanted to go there :)
2022-05-04 14:08:23	acegallagher	it is a little weird. but it's like 5 disks and it was hard rebooted unintentionally
2022-05-04 14:08:39	acegallagher	so... it's not suprising something went weird, as is the newtons first law of storage
2022-05-04 14:09:32	acegallagher	partx -u requires a partition directory, but /dev/sdc1 doesn't exist
2022-05-04 14:09:40	grawity	Patrick14159: for the command it's not particularly useful, because the command will perform the chdir automatically, but under the hood it's a separate step from chrooting (if you chroot but don't chdir, you just... keep the old "outside" cwd), and I think in the past and/or other Unix systems, the `chroot` command didn't chdir either
2022-05-04 14:09:41	Scimmia	Patrick14159: it's random in that it's not the chroot page or anything similar. It's specialized instructions written by one or two people, and that's what they do
2022-05-04 14:09:48	grawity	acegallagher: no, it requires a disk device
2022-05-04 14:10:44	Patrick14159	grawity: interesting, thanks
2022-05-04 14:10:56	Patrick14159	Scimmia: i think i understand
2022-05-04 14:11:40	grawity	without the author explaining it further, it could really be just an old habit from non-GNU-coreutils systems
2022-05-04 14:12:20	acegallagher	grawity: hmm. i get "specified range does not make sense" when I run "partx -u /dev/sdc"
2022-05-04 14:13:13	grawity	what do you get just from `partx /dev/sdc` alone?
2022-05-04 14:13:22	grawity	and also, `fdisk -l /dev/sdc`
2022-05-04 14:13:44	acegallagher	oh boy. something is wonky
2022-05-04 14:13:50	acegallagher	didn't think to fdisk it
2022-05-04 14:13:58	grawity	both should parse and dump the partition table
2022-05-04 14:14:08	acegallagher	glad every disk is mirrored
2022-05-04 14:14:16	grawity	the error message sounds more like it's not accepting the partition table, rather than a problem with command-line args
2022-05-04 14:14:20	acegallagher	i get "PMBR size mismatch" 
2022-05-04 14:14:28	acegallagher	and these disks are devs in a zfs pool
2022-05-04 14:14:53	grawity	hmm, if zfs was in charge of initializing the partition table, I think that warning may or may not be normal
2022-05-04 14:16:03	acegallagher	grawity: doesn't show up on the other disk (mirror) in the pool
2022-05-04 14:16:24	grawity	does fdisk report both of them as the same size? do they both have the expected partitions?
2022-05-04 14:16:35	acegallagher	sdc doesnt
2022-05-04 14:16:45	acegallagher	have any partitions. i think something happened to the table
2022-05-04 14:16:50	acegallagher	sdg (mirror) looks normal
2022-05-04 14:18:10	Eisenhans	!paste
2022-05-04 14:18:10	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-05-04 14:19:27	acegallagher	hmmmmm. if the partition table is totally hosed I suppose I could "just" recreate the partitions and then resilver it 
2022-05-04 14:19:32	lf94	How do I see what's using Haskell packages?
2022-05-04 14:19:43	lf94	I think these are causing big big update sizes.
2022-05-04 14:20:12	grawity	pactree -r haskell-foo
2022-05-04 14:21:26	lf94	Hm, seems I'm wrong: Ghidra and Linux were the biggest :D
2022-05-04 14:21:56	lf94	I'm so happy Ghidra was released, despite you know, requiring NSA to exist.
2022-05-04 14:22:01	grawity	just turn on VerbosePkgLists for the next upgrade
2022-05-04 14:22:12	lf94	Kind of a shame at the same time: radare was becoming extremely good
2022-05-04 14:25:29	BrainDamage	are we talking about the same radare that the dev had a public shit list of people speaking bad of the program?
2022-05-04 14:26:45	very_sneaky	does anybody know if the gcc that ships for arch requires something special to use thread sanitizer? I'm segfaulting and can't see any of the files it's referencing in my call stack
2022-05-04 14:26:49	very_sneaky	or clang, for that matter
2022-05-04 14:28:11	lf94	BrainDamage: TIL lol
2022-05-04 14:29:19	BrainDamage	radare has always been hot garbage, and the dev's attitude has been a significant portion of why it didn't improve
2022-05-04 14:29:32	BrainDamage	I'd be surprised if that changed
2022-05-04 14:32:39	artefact	any aurto users here? i'm getting a "depends: no packages found" error and i have no idea how to debug it. https://paste.debian.net/plainh/7c54e072
2022-05-04 14:32:49	rassawyer	qi
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2022-05-04 14:51:20	susi	a little github-related question; what is this unclickable 'aur' entry in the listing: https://github.com/alexheretic/aurto
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2022-05-04 14:52:17	grawity	it's a submodule (link to another git repository)
2022-05-04 14:52:46	grawity	normally you'd have a .gitmodules file at the repo root, telling `git clone` where to download the submodule repos from
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2022-05-04 14:53:23	grawity	if there isn't one, you have to guess from the README and manually `git submodule something` it
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2022-05-04 14:54:49	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [-o Foxboron[m]] por Foxboron
2022-05-04 14:54:51	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [-o Foxboron] por Foxboron
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2022-05-04 14:55:58	ℹ 	another es conocido ahora como another|
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2022-05-04 15:05:40	lf94	so... shit. I did a usermod -G without -a. I think I destroyed my groups?
2022-05-04 15:05:46	lf94	How do I get them back?
2022-05-04 15:06:00	grawity	add yourself back to the groups you were in
2022-05-04 15:06:10	grawity	lrn2`gpasswd -a`
2022-05-04 15:06:28	grawity	tbh most likely you were only in "lf94" and/or "users" (and *maybe* sudo/wheel/adm)
2022-05-04 15:06:30	lf94	I don't know what groups I was in...
2022-05-04 15:06:41	lf94	What about audio?
2022-05-04 15:06:42	grawity	travel back in time and install etckeeper
2022-05-04 15:06:45	lf94	Video?
2022-05-04 15:06:49	lf94	like webcam stuff
2022-05-04 15:06:56	grawity	you very rarely need those on machines that use systemd-logind
2022-05-04 15:07:02	lf94	Ok, then I should be ok...
2022-05-04 15:07:09	grawity	$ groups
2022-05-04 15:07:11	grawity	sys adm wheel users vboxusers wireshark xpra
2022-05-04 15:07:20	lf94	Yeah, wireshark was what I wanted to add :D.
2022-05-04 15:07:23	lf94	aight
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2022-05-04 15:07:25	lf94	I had docker too
2022-05-04 15:07:29	lf94	So I put it back
2022-05-04 15:07:33	grawity	"adm" is for logs, ignore "sys", the rest are obvious, no audio/video/etc usually
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2022-05-04 15:07:53	grawity	but seriously use gpasswd
2022-05-04 15:07:57	grawity	and etckeeper
2022-05-04 15:08:29	grawity	one case where you *may* need e.g. `audio` is if you want to play stuff while SSH'd in
2022-05-04 15:08:33	grawity	the other case is if you're running gentoo
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2022-05-04 15:09:03	lf94	nope
2022-05-04 15:09:15	lf94	Our setups sound similar so I think I'll be ok
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2022-05-04 15:24:29	vvn	is there an env variable pointing to ~/.ssh like SSH_HOME or does openssh hardcodes $HOME/.ssh?
2022-05-04 15:24:48	BrainDamage	hardcoded
2022-05-04 15:25:19	carbolymer	lol no
2022-05-04 15:25:26	carbolymer	it can be configured through sshd_config
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2022-05-04 15:25:27	ℹ 	elastic_1 es conocido ahora como elastic_dog
2022-05-04 15:25:33	carbolymer	but no env variable afaik
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2022-05-04 15:32:10	vvn	carbolymer: you sure you can change ~/.ssh via sshd_config?
2022-05-04 15:32:23	BrainDamage	carbolymer: huh, where exactly?
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2022-05-04 15:58:53	susi	and IdentityFile for ssh config
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2022-05-04 16:42:26	rawktucc	I finished a system upgrade, Firefox is now doing this... : https://litter.catbox.moe/paedj1.png . It should just be en_US, I don't recall changing anything else either
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2022-05-04 16:42:38	rawktucc	clean brand new profile, I only use firefox with a tmpfs
2022-05-04 16:43:06	rawktucc	firejail --name=ff --tmpfs=/dev/shm/ --blacklist=/home/user/Downloads --blacklist=/opt --private-cwd --private /usr/bin/firefox
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2022-05-04 16:44:06	jelle	and without firejail? :)
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2022-05-04 16:44:13	rawktucc	oh right!
2022-05-04 16:44:34	rawktucc	works normally D:
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2022-05-04 16:47:01	brib	firejail issues my favourite
2022-05-04 16:47:07	brib	does it need access to /usr/share/fonts?
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2022-05-04 16:53:51	brib	Odd, I installed firejail and ran that command and was able to see the fonts
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2022-05-04 16:54:23	rawktucc	with --noprofile it works
2022-05-04 16:54:25	rawktucc	i wonder if I broke something
2022-05-04 16:54:43	gehidore	probably
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2022-05-04 16:54:53	rawktucc	yes, definitely. i reinstalled firejail and it's fine. nevermind, sorry!
2022-05-04 16:55:25	brib	Cool, glad it's fixed :) 
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2022-05-04 16:55:33	rawktucc	ty for the help jelle brib gehidore :)
2022-05-04 16:56:16	Edu4rdSHL	So, reinstalling also works on Linux?
2022-05-04 16:56:17	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-05-04 16:56:22	rawktucc	yup! :D
2022-05-04 16:56:26	rawktucc	except it's not a pain in the butt
2022-05-04 16:58:53	brib	lol
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2022-05-04 17:47:33	damarusama	got into the habit to do  firefox & exit  when starting stuff from the command line... is there a better way apart from setting up keyboard shortcut in my wm ? 
2022-05-04 17:50:01	vic-thor	is there any logs on why a package was removed from a repository? All I've found is the rss feed of the packages removed
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2022-05-04 17:51:33	susi	damarusama: dmenu or similar
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2022-05-04 17:53:25	thrice	vic-thor: sometimes there are package clean-up announcements on the dev ML, but otherwise, likely a dev lost interest, and it's not needed by any other packages in the repos
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2022-05-04 17:53:34	cskr	Is there an equivalent of https://security-tracker.debian.org for Arch, where I can see all known vulnerabilities across packages?
2022-05-04 17:53:35	phrik	Title: Security Bug Tracker (at security-tracker.debian.org)
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2022-05-04 17:54:05	thrice	cskr: I think it's sort of automatd, but:  https://security.archlinux.org/
2022-05-04 17:54:08	phrik	Title: Vulnerable issues - Arch Linux (at security.archlinux.org)
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2022-05-04 17:55:20	cskr	thrice, thanks. That's exactly what I was looking for. What did you mean by "it's sort of automated"?
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2022-05-04 17:57:40	thrice	cskr: I'm not sure if it's 100% reliable, but perhaps autogenerated.  Havn't compared how true the list is, personally
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2022-05-04 17:58:24	cskr	Got it.
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2022-05-04 17:59:12	vic-thor	but is there a log somewhere which says "this package was removed because of X, or following the discussions on this mailing list" or somethign like that
2022-05-04 17:59:19	vic-thor	?
2022-05-04 17:59:37	sorta	sometimes in the wiki pages but only in relation to something else. 
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2022-05-04 18:00:53	vic-thor	thanks
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2022-05-04 18:01:50	sorta	vic-thor: again that's not a very reliable source either.
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2022-05-04 18:04:26	kib	Erus_Iluvatar whassssuuuup E-dawg???
2022-05-04 18:04:35	Erus_Iluvatar	Kib!
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2022-05-04 18:04:43	kib	:D
2022-05-04 18:04:49	kib	hows life
2022-05-04 18:04:57	Erus_Iluvatar	Not much, done with the day job, on my way home right now 
2022-05-04 18:05:10	kib	nice
2022-05-04 18:05:16	kib	wait youre in the car?
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2022-05-04 18:05:28	Erus_Iluvatar	I've finally figured out how to coerce excel to display the graph I wanted 
2022-05-04 18:05:36	Erus_Iluvatar	Nah, public transportation kib 
2022-05-04 18:05:40	kib	ah nice
2022-05-04 18:06:04	Erus_Iluvatar	No texting and driving with me (unless there's enough traffic that i'm doing less than 5kmph)
2022-05-04 18:06:27	kib	thats a lot if a child gets in the way
2022-05-04 18:06:32	kib	and you dont notice
2022-05-04 18:06:52	Erus_Iluvatar	I was thinking traffic jam, so no pedestrian 
2022-05-04 18:07:16	kib	so what plans today?
2022-05-04 18:07:22	kib	doing any fun stuff?
2022-05-04 18:07:28	Erus_Iluvatar	No way i'm taking my eyes off the road in Paris and the suburbs, with the bikes everywhere 
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2022-05-04 18:07:55	kib	oh no im in #archlinux
2022-05-04 18:08:06	Erus_Iluvatar	The most "fun" was me building a kinda shelf under a sink in my toilets last week kib 
2022-05-04 18:08:11	Erus_Iluvatar	Oh shit 
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2022-05-04 18:08:27	kib	terribly sorry everyone
2022-05-04 18:08:54	gehidore	/kick kib 
2022-05-04 18:08:57	beest	lol
2022-05-04 18:09:13	beest	wait i wanted to find out about his shit shelf
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2022-05-05 16:01:24	Toxmi	Thanks to demonicmaniac, I went with nvidia only case and things are running smooth now. Just I noticed in my Xorg.0.log there are these errors in beginning of the log (seems benign):
2022-05-05 16:01:28	Toxmi	[    38.296] (EE) Failed to load module "nouveau" (module does not exist, 0)
2022-05-05 16:01:30	Toxmi	[    38.297] (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0)
2022-05-05 16:01:32	Toxmi	[    38.310] (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)
2022-05-05 16:02:23	Toxmi	Now, I'm running nvidia thanks to xrandr --setprovideroutputsource modesetting NVIDIA-0 in xinitrc and it works fine, but don't know if I should care about these errors in Xorg or not
2022-05-05 16:06:30	yasar11732	Is there a quick way to uninstall all GUI related packages to convert installation to shell only version? I am trying to trim my archlinux installation on USB
2022-05-05 16:06:51	ponies	not without breaking everything you have installed 
2022-05-05 16:06:54	susi	is terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp XkbOption deprecated or something? I have it set in ServerFlags but doesn't work
2022-05-05 16:19:27	shadowless	Toxmi: Those modules are from the nouveau/intel drives which you are no longer using. They aren't being loaded, so they aren't causing any problems
2022-05-05 16:20:22	Toxmi	shadowless: right. Thanks for the explanation.
2022-05-05 16:20:39	shadowless	You could blacklist them using modprobe, and stop them from trying to load if you wish (there could be a better solution, but I'm not aware of it)
2022-05-05 16:24:01	Toxmi	shadowless: by adding them to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf, if find relevent info on wiki correctly
2022-05-05 16:24:09	shadowless	Toxmi: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_module#Blacklisting
2022-05-05 16:24:10	phrik	Title: Kernel module - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-05 16:28:01	shadowless	Toxmi: you can name it that sure, the name doesn't matter as long as its .conf and the contents are 'blacklist nouveau'  etc
2022-05-05 16:28:38	shadowless	in your case you'll just want 3 lines of 'blacklist <modulename>'
2022-05-05 16:28:59	Toxmi	shadowless: right, just add it. Thanks for the info
2022-05-05 16:29:48	shadowless	then next time you boot you shouldn't see any errors that those modules failed to load
2022-05-05 16:31:03	Toxmi	great
2022-05-05 16:56:50	imode	so. is it me or is virtualbox's USB support broken. followed the guidance on the wiki, added myself to `vboxusers`, and... no USB devices detected. am I crazy?
2022-05-05 16:57:51	MacGyver	imode: Sure, but not necessarily because of that.
2022-05-05 16:58:04	imode	heh.
2022-05-05 16:58:11	Edu4rdSHL	imode, do you loging out and in again after adding you to the group?
2022-05-05 16:58:19	imode	yep. restarted, too.
2022-05-05 16:58:21	Edu4rdSHL	logged out and logged in *
2022-05-05 16:58:46	Edu4rdSHL	imode, is the Virtualbox extension pack installed?
2022-05-05 16:58:52	MacGyver	Virtualbox's USB support beyond USB 1.1 relies on having the proprietary additions installed, too.
2022-05-05 17:00:27	imode	yeah, the extension pack is installed... for the host, anyway.
2022-05-05 17:00:35	imode	err, for the windows install under the host.
2022-05-05 17:01:22	imode	oh for the love of.. I have to install the vbox host extensions pack too?
2022-05-05 17:01:49	MacGyver	And if by now you're thinking "What? What inane bullshit, why is Oracle being so difficult about this?" then good news, there's a FLOSS alternative.
2022-05-05 17:02:18	MacGyver	(The kvm/qemu/libvirt stack)
2022-05-05 17:02:37	imode	I literally just need something to install my keyboard's firmware because Keychron did a dumb.
2022-05-05 17:02:43	MacGyver	Heh.
2022-05-05 17:02:58	imode	this is stupid, though. I didn't even want virtualbox on my machine.
2022-05-05 17:03:19	Edu4rdSHL	imode, you need the extensions pack on the host, not the guest
2022-05-05 17:03:25	imode	ugh.
2022-05-05 17:03:36	imode	forget it, I'm just returning the keyboard.
2022-05-05 17:03:38	MacGyver	Yeah I think they found that.
2022-05-05 17:04:00	imode	for anybody buying a keychron k<whatever>, be aware that the `fnmode` parameters for hid_apple are swapped.
2022-05-05 17:04:13	imode	`fnmode` needs to be set to 0 for the expected functionality.
2022-05-05 17:04:24	imode	because.. I do not fucking know, their firmware is closed.
2022-05-05 17:04:34	ponies	extentions on the host? no no 
2022-05-05 17:05:01	Edu4rdSHL	The VirtualBox Extension Pack needs to be in the host.
2022-05-05 17:05:11	ponies	no it doesnt
2022-05-05 17:05:14	Edu4rdSHL	In fact, you NEED virtualbox to install it
2022-05-05 17:05:26	Edu4rdSHL	ponies, you aren't mixing it with the guest additions, right?
2022-05-05 17:05:27	ponies	you install it on the guest
2022-05-05 17:05:33	ponies	ahh ffs
2022-05-05 17:05:39	imode	ponies: I need USB passthrough support and that does require the host additions.
2022-05-05 17:05:40	MacGyver	^_^
2022-05-05 17:05:51	imode	because wine can't detect the device in all of its infinite wisdom.
2022-05-05 17:06:06	imode	even after I rw'd the device manually.
2022-05-05 17:06:29	Edu4rdSHL	As MacGyver said, it best to go with kvm/qemu/libvirt and use virt-manager if you want it to be easy 
2022-05-05 17:06:40	imode	I think I'll just buy a better keyboard.
2022-05-05 17:06:51	imode	far more cost effective in terms of time spent. -_-
2022-05-05 17:06:53	Edu4rdSHL	I still miss the drag and drop files support in virt-manager, though
2022-05-05 17:07:04	MacGyver	Tbh updating the firmware on a USB device under KVM/qemu/libvirt is also a bit finicky, you may need to pass an entire USB controller because of expected disconnects during the process.
2022-05-05 17:07:05	ponies	but virtualbox has seamless mode, and thats why i use that, even though its slower
2022-05-05 17:07:33	Edu4rdSHL	Well, just put virt manager in full screen and it's like seamless
2022-05-05 17:07:35	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-05-05 17:07:37	MacGyver	ponies: Implying that you can't achieve the same with a SPICE viewer?
2022-05-05 17:07:42	MacGyver	ponies: Because you can.
2022-05-05 17:08:12	ponies	ok dont use virtual box
2022-05-05 17:08:57	ponies	even so its works just fine 
2022-05-05 17:09:36	jelle	that doesn't hekp imode :)
2022-05-05 17:09:54	ponies	oh hi jelle how are yoU? 
2022-05-05 17:10:04	imode	sure it does. if I buy a new keyboard with QMK support I can just flash it myself.
2022-05-05 17:10:45	imode	instead of going through this asinine process of installing an entire other operating system to do something as basic as patch my keyboard's firmware in the event of a bug.
2022-05-05 17:11:21	MacGyver	If I didn't already have a windows VM anyway, I'd do the same.
2022-05-05 17:17:45	birkoff	is there a tool to show files that would be installed by pacman for a package ? 
2022-05-05 17:17:50	birkoff	like debian's apt-file
2022-05-05 17:20:00	SysGhost	birkoff: pkgfile
2022-05-05 17:20:33	jelle	birkoff: pamcan -Fh
2022-05-05 17:20:43	tirnanog	pacman -Fl
2022-05-05 17:22:11	birkoff	thanks
2022-05-05 18:22:39	tirnanog	yes.
2022-05-05 18:22:56	Namarrgon	as long as the next command is -Su everything is fine.
2022-05-05 18:23:15	Namarrgon	but -Sy && -S <pkg> has the same problem as -Sy <pkg>
2022-05-05 18:25:01	Namarrgon	in the case of the keyring it's going to be fine but partial updates are not supported in general
2022-05-05 18:25:43	Namarrgon	not that you blindly update the archlinux-keyring package for no good reason
2022-05-05 18:25:58	MacGyver	Hackerpcs: Same issue.
2022-05-05 18:26:09	MacGyver	Hackerpcs: You must always end with a -Su.
2022-05-05 18:26:49	MacGyver	Hackerpcs: You can't break the system in the same way with just archlinux-keyring so this is a safe (and recommended) operation, *as long as you immediately execute the -Su*.
2022-05-05 18:27:37	MacGyver	Yeah, that's reasonable.
2022-05-05 18:28:05	susi	8what about pacu='pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring; pacman -Su', a bit shorter :-)
2022-05-05 18:28:10	tirnanog	but then you sync a second time for no reason. it could be condensed to "pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-05-05 18:28:47	MacGyver	You merge the -Sy and the -S keyring operation into -Sy keyring.
2022-05-05 18:28:50	tirnanog	nope.
2022-05-05 18:29:07	tirnanog	further, the second command ought to be contingent on the success of the first (hence &&).
2022-05-05 18:29:53	MacGyver	tirnanog: I don't think it should be, here. If the -Sy fails for whatever reason, if it's *after* the sync, you still should execute a -Su.
2022-05-05 18:30:57	MacGyver	tirnanog: And if you do a -Su instead of a -Syu, then if it failed *before* the sync it'll be a noop.
2022-05-05 18:31:31	MacGyver	Hackerpcs: So: alias pacu="pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring; pacman -Su", exactly as susi suggested.
2022-05-05 18:31:44	MacGyver	Sprinkle sudo's as desired.
2022-05-05 18:33:21	tirnanog	MacGyver: I don't agree, but don't feel strongly about it that I feel the need to defend my stance.
2022-05-05 18:40:30	Edu4rdSHL	I prefer an alias like fixkeyring='pacman -Sy && pacman -S archlinux-keyring;pacman -Su' :p
2022-05-05 18:40:39	Edu4rdSHL	Wrong copy paste
2022-05-05 18:41:01	Edu4rdSHL	alias fixkeyring='pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su'
2022-05-05 18:41:15	another|	I prefer no alias at all. this is seldom enough that you can do it by hand if it pops up
2022-05-05 18:41:22	Edu4rdSHL	Nah
2022-05-05 18:41:28	Edu4rdSHL	Alias are a time saver
2022-05-05 18:41:45	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL alias u='pacman -Syu --noconfirm'
2022-05-05 18:41:46	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-05-05 18:42:18	another|	You know that just like, your opinion man!
2022-05-05 18:42:43	tirnanog	Hackerpcs: a no-op -Sy will not exit non-zero. however, if you also pass it "archlinux-keyring" as an operand then, yes, it's true that it may needless prompt to re-install the current version, and will exit non-zero if one declines.
2022-05-05 18:43:18	tirnanog	Hackerpcs: you could stick with your original plan of spreading it across two invocations, or use --needed.
2022-05-05 18:44:15	Edu4rdSHL	Why ;
2022-05-05 18:44:31	Edu4rdSHL	If the first command fails you don't get the keyring updated and you don't want the -Su
2022-05-05 18:44:50	tirnanog	because some people like to squash the status value and not have an opportunity to respond to erroprs as they occur, apparently.
2022-05-05 18:47:22	susi	I never thought this as an issue, it just happens so very seldom
2022-05-05 18:48:10	phrik	Title: YARN | Look... why take a chance? | Casino (1995) Thriller | Video clips by quotes | d6dc8040 | 紗 (at getyarn.io)
2022-05-05 18:48:20	d3ph4u17	anyone have any idea why break=postmount wouldn't work?
2022-05-05 18:48:35	d3ph4u17	i'm following the minimal initramfs page and it just doesn't work for me
2022-05-05 18:49:51	Namarrgon	are you using the busybox- or systemd-based initramfs?
2022-05-05 18:50:15	d3ph4u17	systemd
2022-05-05 18:50:21	Namarrgon	yeah
2022-05-05 18:51:22	d3ph4u17	does systemd have a different way of doing that? I've heard it boots faster and also i need it for silent boot so i'm using it
2022-05-05 18:52:54	d3ph4u17	oh apparently i have to add systemd.unit=emergency.target
2022-05-05 18:53:04	d3ph4u17	lemme check that
2022-05-05 19:06:32	f1refly	I just tried updating my installation and I'm asked to import key 0F65C7D881506130, is that correct?
2022-05-05 19:09:11	conr	does anybody run a kvm with arch (libvirt) as the host and win10/11 as the guest but windows freezes if its idled for 10-15mins?
2022-05-05 19:09:51	Namarrgon	f1refly: update the archlinux-keyring package first, then -Su again
2022-05-05 19:10:33	gehidore	conr I run several kvm/qemu machines that are win10 guests and have no issues with freezing on an arch host
2022-05-05 19:10:40	gehidore	have not tried win11 
2022-05-05 19:11:34	conr	gehidore: what is your windows power setting set to?
2022-05-05 19:11:47	pavan	ultimate ram consumption mode
2022-05-05 19:13:02	another|	f1refly: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Upgrade_system_regularly
2022-05-05 19:13:03	phrik	Title: pacman/Package signing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-05 19:14:03	f1refly	thank you people, it seems like i made it this far without ever encountering this situation
2022-05-05 19:14:18	conr	pavan: i only see Ultimate Performance is a custom plan?
2022-05-05 19:18:08	conr	i changed my power plan and going to give it a try with the spotwatch running.
2022-05-05 19:25:57	Edu4rdSHL	conr, I dont have the problem that you describe too
2022-05-05 19:26:23	Edu4rdSHL	I just have the windows defaults, not a custom energy plan or something
2022-05-05 19:26:39	conr	Edu4rdSHL: do you run win11?
2022-05-05 19:28:01	Edu4rdSHL	No, 10
2022-05-05 19:33:28	gehidore	conr all disabled 
2022-05-05 19:34:00	conr	gehidore: what all disabled?
2022-05-05 19:34:27	gehidore	power settings, all set to always on or never suspend etc
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2022-05-05 19:34:46	gehidore	one of them has default settings and the worst it does is throw a screensaver on
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2022-05-05 19:35:38	d3ph4u17	ok so i just checked and it works, now i was wondering if it's possible to silence fsck in the busybox initramfs?
2022-05-05 19:36:00	d3ph4u17	i don't want to skip it, but i want to keep my silent boot with minimal initramfs
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2022-05-06 15:11:29	Gagis	!paste
2022-05-06 15:11:29	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-05-06 15:43:07	mingdao	If you like scripts to do mundane things such as paste, https://0x0.st/zv97.sh is 0x0.sh and works well for me.
2022-05-06 15:46:11	Patrick14159	what about: echo "Richard Stallman needs hugs too" | nc termbin.com 9999
2022-05-06 16:08:32	mpldr	anyone else having firefox restarting without any reason?
2022-05-06 16:09:01	mpldr	I should clarify: firefox-hg
2022-05-06 16:09:09	Patrick14159	mpldr: it might restart due to an update :)
2022-05-06 16:09:27	mpldr	but usually it's asking first
2022-05-06 16:09:39	Patrick14159	depends, i guess
2022-05-06 16:10:17	mpldr	i hope it wont do this for the rest of the day… it's somewhat annoying
2022-05-06 16:22:58	Edu4rdSHL	Eeeh, I just switched to [testing] and now when I want to go back, the split qemu packages aren't tracked
2022-05-06 16:23:01	Edu4rdSHL	>.<
2022-05-06 16:26:59	asd	hi, when i boot my laptop, the microphone jack seems to be disabled. i have to plug in a headphone into the 3.5mm jack and unplug it for the the internal microphone to be detected is there a way to fix this via software rather than me physically carrying a 3.5mm jack?
2022-05-06 16:28:12	asd	*sry not microphone jack, the microphone input device in pavucontrol is not listed until i plug/unplug a headphone into the laptop
2022-05-06 16:36:59	shadowless	asd: have you tried the pulseaudio troubleshooting in the arch wiki?
2022-05-06 16:37:03	shadowless	asd: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Microphone_not_detected_by_PulseAudio
2022-05-06 16:37:03	phrik	Title: PulseAudio/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-06 16:47:33	powftw	help me, my laptop is lagging like i have never seen ever, started noting since yesterday. Telegram-desktop takes 45 seconds to show up a window. Sublime, thunar, most apps. `5.15.37-1-lts #1 SMP Sun, 01 May 2022`
2022-05-06 16:48:03	powftw	Harddisk is going wrong, i dont think. its only 2 years old
2022-05-06 16:48:19	powftw	using I3 window manager
2022-05-06 16:48:41	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, which graphics card
2022-05-06 16:48:47	powftw	intel hd
2022-05-06 16:48:50	Edu4rdSHL	Also, check your journal logs
2022-05-06 16:49:05	Edu4rdSHL	Is xf86-video-intel installed?
2022-05-06 16:49:16	powftw	yes, it's installed
2022-05-06 16:49:34	Edu4rdSHL	Remove it and log out/in
2022-05-06 16:50:04	powftw	`xf86-video-intel-1:2.99.917+916+g31486f40-2 is up to date -- reinstalling`
2022-05-06 16:50:22	powftw	`journalctl -x`?
2022-05-06 16:50:40	Edu4rdSHL	> Remove it and log out/in
2022-05-06 16:52:39	powftw	removing xf86-video-intel
2022-05-06 16:53:53	powftw	Now unable to start X sever 
2022-05-06 16:53:59	powftw	Connection refused 
2022-05-06 16:54:02	powftw	Stuck at tty
2022-05-06 16:55:02	powftw	Shall I reinstall?
2022-05-06 16:55:57	Edu4rdSHL	No, I think that you messed up your Xorg config
2022-05-06 16:56:28	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, `tree /etc/X11/`
2022-05-06 16:56:32	powftw	Just reinstalled, same problem exists 
2022-05-06 16:56:54	powftw	I've xf86 Intel configuration inside X11 folder 
2022-05-06 16:57:00	Edu4rdSHL	Delete it
2022-05-06 16:57:02	powftw	That's why it's refusing to boot 
2022-05-06 16:57:05	Edu4rdSHL	And remove that package
2022-05-06 16:57:21	powftw	Edu4rdSHL: it'll bring screen glitch problem if I delete 
2022-05-06 16:57:57	Edu4rdSHL	That package is the one that causes glitches and whatever problem you imagine :)
2022-05-06 17:00:41	powftw	Removed it!
2022-05-06 17:02:20	powftw	still the problem exists!! i've never seen any system lagging this much..
2022-05-06 17:02:31	powftw	i question harddisk?
2022-05-06 17:02:54	Edu4rdSHL	Probably
2022-05-06 17:02:56	powftw	even if i open Telegram, the windows are not displaying, it's all black screen
2022-05-06 17:03:20	powftw	i3wm has any bug? i've noticing every problem after yesterday's update
2022-05-06 17:03:37	Edu4rdSHL	Paste the  `journalctl -r -n 1000`
2022-05-06 17:03:42	Edu4rdSHL	Output *
2022-05-06 17:04:04	raster	powftw: does like plain rxvt, xterm, xev come up fast?
2022-05-06 17:04:13	raster	xev should be instant...
2022-05-06 17:04:57	powftw	Edu4rdSHL: how do i output everything to a file? redirecting will mess up output file?
2022-05-06 17:05:03	powftw	willl it format properly?
2022-05-06 17:05:11	Edu4rdSHL	!give powftw rs
2022-05-06 17:05:12	phrik	powftw: <command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2022-05-06 17:05:19	powftw	raster: maybe my compositer issue?
2022-05-06 17:05:36	raster	powftw: well 30-40 seconds does not sound like that.
2022-05-06 17:05:43	raster	it sounds more like a comms/ipc timeout issue.
2022-05-06 17:05:57	raster	thus try a very very very basic app that does nothing fancy at all with dbus etc.
2022-05-06 17:06:01	raster	e.g. xev
2022-05-06 17:07:57	segurb	how do I switch to iGPU, I got nvidia drivers installed
2022-05-06 17:08:43	Edu4rdSHL	prime
2022-05-06 17:17:26	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Lu5crdnd/
2022-05-06 17:17:27	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-05-06 17:17:56	powftw	who is `Listening` for those stuffs at the end
2022-05-06 17:18:32	Edu4rdSHL	Well, that is not the output that I look for
2022-05-06 17:18:37	Edu4rdSHL	journalctl -r -n 1000
2022-05-06 17:18:42	Edu4rdSHL	That's 1000 lines
2022-05-06 17:19:00	Edu4rdSHL	And what "Listen" are system/user sockets
2022-05-06 17:20:08	powftw	Can I view log of current going stuff, so I can notice why, firefox, telegram are lagging so much
2022-05-06 17:20:33	powftw	Even after closing and reopening things need 15 seconds 
2022-05-06 17:20:38	Edu4rdSHL	journalctl -f
2022-05-06 17:21:04	Edu4rdSHL	However, that only works if the app send the logs to the journal
2022-05-06 17:21:18	Edu4rdSHL	You may need app-specific debugging to see what's going on
2022-05-06 17:24:58	powftw	I know why it's lagging now
2022-05-06 17:24:59	sorta	!ping
2022-05-06 17:25:00	phrik	pong
2022-05-06 17:25:03	sorta	!ping
2022-05-06 17:25:04	phrik	pong
2022-05-06 17:25:25	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/8VGSmrUM/
2022-05-06 17:25:26	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-05-06 17:26:22	sorta	is this finally working now or what? :/
2022-05-06 17:26:23	powftw	yesterday, it was asking to replace a lib with, gnome, kde, gtk or something, i choose gnome (1:default)
2022-05-06 17:26:33	sorta	are my messages visible here?
2022-05-06 17:26:41	powftw	it's lagging as previous
2022-05-06 17:27:10	powftw	sorta: you're live
2022-05-06 17:27:36	sorta	thanks... sometimes random stuf just stops working for no reason whatsoever...
2022-05-06 17:28:21	powftw	whenever i open anything, i see `systemd[425]: Failed to start Portal service (GNOME implementation).` in log in red color
2022-05-06 17:28:27	powftw	Edu4rdSHL: 
2022-05-06 17:32:31	evilop	do you have the gtk portal installed?
2022-05-06 17:32:44	evilop	gnome*
2022-05-06 17:33:06	evilop	which wm/de are you using?
2022-05-06 17:35:07	powftw	i3wm
2022-05-06 17:35:19	evilop	install one of the portals
2022-05-06 17:36:53	Edu4rdSHL	It's the portal, yes
2022-05-06 17:37:09	Edu4rdSHL	Failed to create settings proxy: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.impl.portal.desktop.gnome: Timeout was reached
2022-05-06 17:37:40	Edu4rdSHL	xdg-desktop-portal-gtk works fine
2022-05-06 17:40:03	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, just as an advice, when someone ask you for a log, please give it. You have been cuting the logs, I would have detected the problem if you have give me the logs I asked for the first time.
2022-05-06 17:41:19	machaddr	Hi guys, how to install globs using pacman package manager? Debian Apt uses a "*" character to include all packages from search, thanks
2022-05-06 17:41:28	powftw	Edu4rdSHL: it has log of every thing I've used opened, it is very log. Can I regenerate those logs so you will see fresh
2022-05-06 17:41:52	Khorne	machaddr, pipe the search result into pacman again, also why do you need that?
2022-05-06 17:41:56	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, I don't care how many logs are there, I'm used to read logs every day :)
2022-05-06 17:42:17	Edu4rdSHL	Now that your problem is detected, just install one of the portals and that's all
2022-05-06 17:42:55	powftw	Portals? 
2022-05-06 17:43:18	powftw	I have i3wm and budgie desktop 
2022-05-06 17:43:20	machaddr	Khorne: I need to include some libraries to be offline
2022-05-06 17:43:23	evilop	powftw: if you don't install a portal you won't get any cake
2022-05-06 17:43:52	powftw	I haven't installed any portal 
2022-05-06 17:43:52	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, xdg-desktop-portal-gtk, for example
2022-05-06 17:44:21	powftw	Is it causing this lag?
2022-05-06 17:44:36	Edu4rdSHL	You need to install it, or any of the others to FIX it
2022-05-06 17:44:38	evilop	powftw: yes
2022-05-06 17:47:06	powftw	`xdg-desktop-portal-gtk-1.14.0-1 is up to date -- reinstalling`
2022-05-06 17:47:14	powftw	it's already installed
2022-05-06 17:47:36	Edu4rdSHL	And you have logged out-in again after installing it?
2022-05-06 17:47:46	Edu4rdSHL	Also, how are you starting i3?
2022-05-06 17:48:18	powftw	`startx ~/.xinitrc i3`
2022-05-06 17:48:22	powftw	logged out,yes
2022-05-06 17:49:12	Edu4rdSHL	What do you have in .xinitrc ?
2022-05-06 17:50:47	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/3ceOTjjX/
2022-05-06 17:50:49	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-05-06 17:51:18	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/hfw6AYDc/
2022-05-06 17:51:20	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-05-06 17:53:43	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, you may want to change it to: https://paste.rs/2bV
2022-05-06 17:55:05	Edu4rdSHL	Also, what's the output of `busctl status`
2022-05-06 17:55:18	powftw	Edu4rdSHL: seriously, how does this affect this lagging issue that was never existed but since yesterday
2022-05-06 17:55:28	powftw	i was using that config for months
2022-05-06 17:55:37	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, dbus needs to be activated
2022-05-06 18:00:53	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/7KwVcMAg/
2022-05-06 18:00:54	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-05-06 18:21:57	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/NAmwriFX/
2022-05-06 18:21:58	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-05-06 18:22:22	powftw	this is the error when i open any apps which lags and takes 30 seconds to open
2022-05-06 18:22:44	powftw	which was only taking 5 seconds to load before yesterday
2022-05-06 18:23:09	powftw	can this log say anything about it?
2022-05-06 18:24:59	powftw	Edu4rdSHL: does this say anything?
2022-05-06 18:30:09	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, `systemctl log-level debug && systemctl --user restart xdg-desktop-portal-gtk.service`
2022-05-06 18:30:26	Edu4rdSHL	Then share the output of `journalctl -r -n 500`
2022-05-06 18:30:44	Edu4rdSHL	!rs
2022-05-06 18:30:45	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2022-05-06 18:30:53	powftw	Failed to set log level of org.freedesktop.systemd1 to debug: Access denied
2022-05-06 18:31:00	powftw	do i need sudo even for --user ?
2022-05-06 18:31:02	Edu4rdSHL	The first command as root
2022-05-06 18:31:07	Edu4rdSHL	The 2nd as user
2022-05-06 18:31:08	machaddr	<Edu4rdSHL> This worked plenty good: "pacman -S $(pacman -Ssq whatever)" but how to bypass a conflit package?
2022-05-06 18:31:12	Edu4rdSHL	Run them separately
2022-05-06 18:31:35	powftw	`Job for xdg-desktop-portal-gtk.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
2022-05-06 18:31:35	powftw	See "systemctl --user status xdg-desktop-portal-gtk.service" and "journalctl --user -xeu xdg-desktop-portal-gtk.service" for details.`
2022-05-06 18:31:36	Edu4rdSHL	machaddr, wdym exactly?
2022-05-06 18:31:39	Edu4rdSHL	Use --ignore
2022-05-06 18:31:51	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/GHAtSx0P/
2022-05-06 18:31:53	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-05-06 18:32:03	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, man
2022-05-06 18:32:08	powftw	ik
2022-05-06 18:32:08	Edu4rdSHL	> Then share the output of `journalctl -r -n 500`
2022-05-06 18:32:12	powftw	i'll send it
2022-05-06 18:32:18	powftw	just showing this output
2022-05-06 18:34:12	machaddr	<Edu4rdSHL> I have package "perl-mail-spf and perl-mail-spf-query are in conflict"
2022-05-06 18:34:28	Edu4rdSHL	And what do you want to do?
2022-05-06 18:35:00	Edu4rdSHL	You can use --ignore $package_name
2022-05-06 18:35:12	Edu4rdSHL	pacman -S $(pacman -Ssq whatever) --ignore $whatever
2022-05-06 18:35:37	Edu4rdSHL	But installing packages from -Ssq is ugly tbh
2022-05-06 18:36:25	powftw	Edu4rdSHL: https://paste.rs/rxt
2022-05-06 18:37:53	Khorne	sorta, yes, 'piping'
2022-05-06 18:38:12	Khorne	Take the output of one command and use it as input for the other
2022-05-06 18:38:20	Khorne	Specifics are irrelevant really
2022-05-06 18:38:37	machaddr	<Edu4rdSHL> --ignore $package worked perfectly, thanks!
2022-05-06 18:40:01	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, that log looks... weird... try: `systemctl --user reset-failed && systemctl --user restart xdg-desktop-portal-gtk.service`
2022-05-06 18:41:00	Edu4rdSHL	The last relevant entry about xdg-desktop-portal-gtk.service is at ay 06 17:50:00 which looks a bit outdated
2022-05-06 18:47:34	powftw	Edu4rdSHL: https://paste.rs/txZ
2022-05-06 18:48:33	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, did you run the `systemctl --user reset-failed` command?
2022-05-06 18:55:46	powftw	sorry for late reply
2022-05-06 18:55:55	powftw	i was looking into logs
2022-05-06 18:56:04	powftw	don't understand much
2022-05-06 18:56:16	powftw	i ran this: `systemctl --user reset-failed && systemctl --user restart xdg-desktop-portal-gtk.service`
2022-05-06 18:59:23	Edu4rdSHL	powftw, try rebooting... 
2022-05-06 19:00:00	Edu4rdSHL	Your system is in a state that honestly idk how to proceed :p
2022-05-06 19:00:26	Edu4rdSHL	Looks like that some services entered in a failed state and simply doesn't want to run again even after reset-failed
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2022-05-06 21:09:45	second2050	so I configured systemd-resolved on my systems about an hour ago and now firefox doesn't want to start, my web search skills are also coming to an end...
2022-05-06 21:09:45	second2050	can anyone help me with that? 
2022-05-06 21:09:59	artefact	!error
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2022-05-06 21:09:59	phrik	An error occured while attempting to display the error message.
2022-05-06 21:10:01	artefact	!errors
2022-05-06 21:10:02	phrik	Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2022-05-06 21:10:47	second2050	welp firefox itself does not output anything if run in a terminal
2022-05-06 21:11:02	Edu4rdSHL	second2050, paste your `journalctl -r -n 500` output
2022-05-06 21:11:10	second2050	ehm... okay it took firefox I guess 10+ minutes to start‽
2022-05-06 21:11:12	madsquirrel	not here :D
2022-05-06 21:11:17	Edu4rdSHL	Also, which systemd version¡
2022-05-06 21:11:21	Edu4rdSHL	? *
2022-05-06 21:11:31	second2050	250.5
2022-05-06 21:11:42	artefact	doesn't firefox defaults to its own name resolution now? i don't remember the default value for network.trr
2022-05-06 21:11:44	second2050	firefox is currently running btw...
2022-05-06 21:11:52	second2050	I am confused
2022-05-06 21:11:55	madsquirrel	resolvectl status 
2022-05-06 21:12:01	madsquirrel	paste on externat paste service
2022-05-06 21:12:04	madsquirrel	etc.
2022-05-06 21:12:46	second2050	!paste
2022-05-06 21:12:47	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-05-06 21:13:36	susi	second2050: if you apply "Enable DNS over HTTPS" and provider Cloudflare, does it still not work?
2022-05-06 21:13:47	◥	duxsco (~Thunderbi@user/duxsco) has joined #archlinux
2022-05-06 21:13:49	susi	second2050: in Firefox about:preferences - General/Networking
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2022-05-06 21:14:30	second2050	madsquirrel, `resolvectl status`: http://ix.io/3X8g
2022-05-06 21:15:59	artefact	probably unrelated, but you might want [DHCP] UseDNS=false in your systemd.network(5)
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2022-05-06 21:16:10	second2050	Edu4rdSHL, journalctl: http://ix.io/3X8h
2022-05-06 21:16:27	second2050	artefact, I dont use networkd I use NetworkManager
2022-05-06 21:17:19	second2050	susi, my problem at first was that firefox didn't want to start so I couldn't have changed that
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2022-05-06 21:17:45	Edu4rdSHL	Well, everything looks fine in the journal
2022-05-06 21:17:57	Edu4rdSHL	Have you tried killing ALL firefox processes?
2022-05-06 21:18:07	Edu4rdSHL	Also starting firefox using a new profile?
2022-05-06 21:18:11	susi	is that 1.1.1.1#one.one.one.one correct syntax?
2022-05-06 21:18:13	artefact	try $(killall firefox; firefox) or $(firefox --no-remote)
2022-05-06 21:18:19	artefact	susi: yeah it's for DoT
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2022-05-06 21:18:58	Edu4rdSHL	That's the SNI
2022-05-06 21:19:07	second2050	I have tried "pkill firefox" and then restarting, and I have tried "firefox -no-remote" which made no difference...
2022-05-06 21:19:56	second2050	btw. I have closed firefox again and it either needs way too much time to start again or it doesn't start right now
2022-05-06 21:19:58	Edu4rdSHL	second2050, mv .mozilla/firefox .mozilla/firefox.old
2022-05-06 21:20:08	second2050	Edu4rdSHL, I have already tried that before
2022-05-06 21:20:14	second2050	didn't change anything
2022-05-06 21:20:33	Edu4rdSHL	Well, pretty sure it's a firefox problem not related to resolved
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2022-05-06 21:20:59	second2050	I will try moving the firefox folder again
2022-05-06 21:21:00	Edu4rdSHL	Why do you think that it's resolved-related?
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2022-05-06 21:21:54	second2050	I don't know if it's resolved related it was just the last thing I did before this started to happen
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2022-05-06 21:22:07	Edu4rdSHL	Typical XY problem
2022-05-06 21:22:09	Edu4rdSHL	:p
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2022-05-06 21:22:12	artefact	have you tried undoing the resolved stuff?
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2022-05-06 21:22:15	second2050	yikes
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2022-05-06 21:22:26	susi	second2050: try: firefox -ProfileManager
2022-05-06 21:22:30	second2050	artefact, I haven't I'm about to do it tho
2022-05-06 21:23:13	yuri6037	Hi, I've just installed arch linux on a virtual box VM to make some testing with wayland. I need a lightweight wayland desktop environment. To that extent, I've chosen to try enlightenment but unfortunately it appears enlightenment doesn't work under VB properly. The software crashes almost instantly: it shows a loading screen then jumps to a language selection screen but stays frozen on that
2022-05-06 21:23:13	yuri6037	language selection screen with no keyboard response and no 
2022-05-06 21:23:13	yuri6037	mouse response. I can't check if the kernel has crashed because under VirtualBox it's impossible to switch to a TTY (CTRL+ALT+F1-12) causes TTY switch on the host (which by the way is very very bad because it can cause NVIDIA driver crash sometimes)...
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2022-05-06 21:23:24	second2050	susi, "firefox -ProfileManager" also seems to hang
2022-05-06 21:23:38	yuri6037	Did anyone already see this kind of crash with enlightenment?
2022-05-06 21:23:42	second2050	let me quickly undo the resolved stuff, brb
2022-05-06 21:23:55	⚡ 	gehidore wonders if firefox is still running
2022-05-06 21:24:01	artefact	yuri6037: does vbox not have some way to send arbitrary keyboard events to the guest?
2022-05-06 21:24:03	susi	I don't think resolved stuff should have any effect on Firefox not starting, even the profile manager
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2022-05-06 21:24:11	madsquirrel	second2050 test resolved itself, resolvectl query archlinux.org
2022-05-06 21:24:12	madsquirrel	?
2022-05-06 21:24:16	susi	second2050: if you run it from the command line, it does not output anything relevant?
2022-05-06 21:24:21	Edu4rdSHL	yuri6037, enlightenment uses his own thing, not wayland/xorg iirc 
2022-05-06 21:24:24	yuri6037	artefact: vbox has no such ability
2022-05-06 21:24:33	artefact	yuri6037: try qemu, maybe?
2022-05-06 21:24:35	second2050	susi, no output 
2022-05-06 21:24:35	madsquirrel	second2050 ls -lah /etc/resolv.conf
2022-05-06 21:24:48	yuri6037	It is listed under archlinux as a wayland app
2022-05-06 21:24:48	teraflops	yuri6037: enlightenment is lightweight?
2022-05-06 21:25:20	second2050	> resolvectl query archlinux.org
2022-05-06 21:25:20	second2050	archlinux.org: 95.217.163.246                  -- link: wls3
2022-05-06 21:25:20	second2050	               2a01:4f9:c010:6b1f::1           -- link: wls3
2022-05-06 21:25:23	susi	second2050: try firefox -MOZ_LOG -MOZ_LOG_FILE=
2022-05-06 21:25:31	yuri6037	See: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wayland#Compositors
2022-05-06 21:25:32	phrik	Title: Wayland - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-06 21:25:42	susi	second2050: sorry, firefox -MOZ_LOG=all:3 -MOZ_LOG_FILE= 
2022-05-06 21:26:06	yuri6037	Edu4rdSHL: according to this link enlightenment is a wayland compositor
2022-05-06 21:26:09	second2050	madsquirrel, "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 May  6 19:11 /etc/resolv.conf -> /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf"
2022-05-06 21:26:15	Edu4rdSHL	yuri6037, yep, my bad :)
2022-05-06 21:26:21	susi	second2050: is $DISPLAY correctly set
2022-05-06 21:26:31	teraflops	to what do I have to take a look in there?
2022-05-06 21:26:32	artefact	it can use xorg too, it seems, since the wiki page mentions xinit
2022-05-06 21:26:35	gehidore	yuri6037 but you did see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Enlightenment#Manually
2022-05-06 21:26:36	phrik	Title: Enlightenment - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-06 21:27:03	yuri6037	teraflops: it is lightweight because it took few packages to install and very few time compared to KDE or GNOME
2022-05-06 21:27:23	teraflops	gnome is ok
2022-05-06 21:27:31	artefact	kde plasma is ok
2022-05-06 21:27:33	teraflops	I have several VMs ans it flies
2022-05-06 21:27:41	second2050	susi, it is set to ":0", looks correct to me
2022-05-06 21:27:48	teraflops	even arm VMs
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2022-05-06 21:28:00	yuri6037	KDE is great but I need a lightweight VM and KDE is not very lightweight in disk space
2022-05-06 21:28:19	Edu4rdSHL	Why not just use sway 
2022-05-06 21:28:24	teraflops	^
2022-05-06 21:28:37	susi	I have tried to switch, but too much: effort
2022-05-06 21:28:38	teraflops	that fits more in the lightweight thingy
2022-05-06 21:28:45	Edu4rdSHL	There aren't "lightweight DEs" except XFCE actually
2022-05-06 21:28:59	susi	second2050: maybe try reinstalling firefox altogether?
2022-05-06 21:29:07	second2050	susi, firefox still does nothing and the log file is empty
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2022-05-06 21:29:19	susi	>xfce >lightweigth
2022-05-06 21:29:20	second2050	I guess I could try that
2022-05-06 21:29:34	yuri6037	With GNOME I have the memory of: the devs do not care of any of their customers the only thing they are living for is to break user workflow and introduce new ways to crash the system or tell to their customers "f*** you with your NVIDIA gpus"
2022-05-06 21:29:35	artefact	>how to start a flame war
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2022-05-06 21:29:42	teraflops	yuri6037: oh I see
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2022-05-06 21:30:04	teraflops	just say you do not like it
2022-05-06 21:30:21	yuri6037	oh and I forgot recently GNOME introduced a new feature: randomly crash the entire DE if you loop a VLC video
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2022-05-06 21:30:32	teraflops	!bail
2022-05-06 21:30:33	phrik	Looks like teraflops is bailing out on this one - good luck!
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2022-05-06 21:32:19	yuri6037	Edu4rdSHL: sway is tiling, I need a wayland compositor to do some programming tests. These tests are not intended to work on a tiling window manager instead it's designed for a normal manager
2022-05-06 21:32:43	yuri6037	Something like XFCE for wayland would be perfect
2022-05-06 21:32:55	teraflops	that's for 2030
2022-05-06 21:33:04	Edu4rdSHL	Something without wayland would be even better
2022-05-06 21:33:07	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-05-06 21:33:17	Edu4rdSHL	Ah, there's XFCE <3
2022-05-06 21:33:24	yuri6037	Edu4rdSHL: well what do you think I run on my host machine?
2022-05-06 21:33:35	artefact	screen on fbcon?
2022-05-06 21:33:36	◣	kuma (~kuma@102.35.160.17) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-05-06 21:33:53	teraflops	cacafire while playing youtube videos
2022-05-06 21:33:59	yuri6037	nothing more than good old X11 with KDE, NVIDIA and NVIDIA modeset (optimus switch)
2022-05-06 21:34:13	Edu4rdSHL	cacafire lol
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2022-05-06 21:34:30	artefact	💩🔥
2022-05-06 21:34:48	yuri6037	anyway, any idea about the enlightenment problem?
2022-05-06 21:34:56	artefact	try qemu?
2022-05-06 21:35:11	artefact	at the very least, it has a console for sending arbitrary keyboard commands
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2022-05-06 21:35:18	yuri6037	what? I'm using vbox not qemu
2022-05-06 21:35:33	artefact	yes. that's why i'm suggesting giving qemu a try.
2022-05-06 21:35:38	yuri6037	I'm not gonna re-install a complete VM under qemu
2022-05-06 21:35:46	artefact	qemu can read vbox disks
2022-05-06 21:36:06	yuri6037	why would I want to switch to qemu?
2022-05-06 21:36:20	second2050	so about my problem again, if I revert "/etc/resolv.conf" to be managed by networkmanager firefox starts almost instantly
2022-05-06 21:36:45	artefact	yuri6037: are you being obtuse on purpose?
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2022-05-06 21:37:13	yuri6037	no but I'd prefer not to install any other VM software on this host
2022-05-06 21:37:33	yuri6037	I already have some windows VMS on this host
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2022-05-06 21:38:32	Edu4rdSHL	second2050, do you followed https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NetworkManager#systemd-resolved 
2022-05-06 21:38:34	phrik	Title: NetworkManager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-06 21:38:36	Edu4rdSHL	Right?
2022-05-06 21:39:06	Edu4rdSHL	Also, if you're going to use resolved, just use networkd
2022-05-06 21:39:47	second2050	yea I did not create the dns.conf file tho as it says that it will auto detect it if /etc/resolv.conf is a symlink to resolved
2022-05-06 21:39:53	artefact	networkd can't manage wireless on its own, though
2022-05-06 21:40:15	yuri6037	is there anything else I can try? any logs I can check?
2022-05-06 21:40:18	◥	mthall (~quassel@mail.thalliman.com) has joined #archlinux
2022-05-06 21:40:25	second2050	I currently use NetworkManager because I also use nm-applet
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2022-05-06 21:41:13	madsquirrel	second2050 so, did you check NetworkManager logs with resolved?
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2022-05-06 21:41:41	second2050	uuuuh networkmanager creates logs?
2022-05-06 21:41:47	second2050	let me check
2022-05-06 21:41:55	madsquirrel	journalctl -q -b -u NetworkManager.service
2022-05-06 21:42:04	madsquirrel	or networkmanager.service
2022-05-06 21:42:05	susi	systemctl status NetworkManager
2022-05-06 21:42:30	madsquirrel	or I don't remember since use what wrote Edu4rdSHL
2022-05-06 21:42:59	second2050	let me quickly set the symlink again and start resolved then I will restart nm and check
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2022-05-06 21:43:18	teraflops	second2050: is /etc/resolv.conf actually a symlink? 
2022-05-06 21:43:59	madsquirrel	You can set "live" view:
2022-05-06 21:44:11	madsquirrel	journalctl -q -b -u NetworkManager -u systemd-resolved -S now -f
2022-05-06 21:44:26	artefact	or just -f
2022-05-06 21:44:29	madsquirrel	then restart services and watch
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2022-05-06 21:46:20	second2050	madsquirrel, it doesn't show anything abnormal
2022-05-06 21:47:02	second2050	teraflops, yes: "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 May  6 21:43 /etc/resolv.conf -> /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf"
2022-05-06 21:47:16	teraflops	🤙
2022-05-06 21:47:30	◣	Spunk (~Spunk@user/spunk) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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2022-05-06 21:48:26	second2050	seems to also correctly recognize resolved according to this line: "<info>  [1651866338.9934] dns-mgr[0x564864997250]: init: dns=systemd-resolved rc-manager=symlink, plugin=systemd-resolved"
2022-05-06 21:50:27	teraflops	are you using ipv6?
2022-05-06 21:50:29	◣	scorpka (~scorpka@95.82.237.55) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.5)
2022-05-06 21:51:29	second2050	uuuh I have both ipv4 and ipv6 active
2022-05-06 21:51:49	second2050	atleast I have an IPv4 and an IPv6 address 
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2022-05-06 21:52:41	teraflops	maybe resolved is trying to use ipv6 first and it fails
2022-05-06 21:53:26	yuri6037	so anyone?
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2022-05-06 21:53:48	teraflops	second2050: what's the output of: resolvectl --no-pager status; resolvectl query kernel.org ? 
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2022-05-06 21:56:16	second2050	teraflops, http://ix.io/3X8r
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2022-05-06 21:57:08	teraflops	I think those are google's ipv6 dns servers
2022-05-06 21:57:23	teraflops	nothing wonky there I guess
2022-05-06 21:58:39	teraflops	I wonder is disabling DOT would make any difference
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2022-05-06 21:59:15	second2050	I could try
2022-05-06 21:59:21	second2050	*let me try
2022-05-06 21:59:46	Edu4rdSHL	Instead of DOT I would disable DNSSEC
2022-05-06 22:00:06	second2050	Edu4rdSHL, any specific reason as to why or just for troubleshooting?
2022-05-06 22:00:15	teraflops	troubleshooting
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2022-05-06 22:00:35	teraflops	same for my advice
2022-05-06 22:00:45	second2050	I will just disable mdns, dot and dnssec for the time being
2022-05-06 22:01:35	susi	second2050: post your grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf
2022-05-06 22:01:39	teraflops	isn't mdsn already disabled 
2022-05-06 22:02:01	second2050	I had mdns enabled
2022-05-06 22:02:08	teraflops	ah ok
2022-05-06 22:02:30	teraflops	it's just the - in front of it made me wonder
2022-05-06 22:02:53	◣	SaladevX42 (~SaladevX@user/saladevx) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2022-05-06 22:02:53	second2050	susi, //ix.io/3X8u
2022-05-06 22:03:00	madsquirrel	It's also interesting
2022-05-06 22:03:27	madsquirrel	resolved is set to 1.1.1.1
2022-05-06 22:03:37	madsquirrel	connection wlp uses router DNS
2022-05-06 22:03:55	madsquirrel	Can you tune your routers dns to 1.1.1.1?
2022-05-06 22:04:12	second2050	not at my router directly I can set it in nm tho
2022-05-06 22:04:16	madsquirrel	and do not modify systemd-resolved
2022-05-06 22:04:18	susi	I would put 'files' and 'myhostname' before resolve [!..] in the hosts
2022-05-06 22:04:38	madsquirrel	Do you have bind installed?
2022-05-06 22:04:48	teraflops	oh I was reading the wrong line, nvm
2022-05-06 22:04:58	second2050	madsquirrel, no I do not
2022-05-06 22:05:12	madsquirrel	so install to have dig and nslookup commands
2022-05-06 22:05:14	susi	second2050: if you got dig, try dig kernel.org @1.1.1.1
2022-05-06 22:05:19	madsquirrel	dig kernel.org
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2022-05-06 22:05:42	madsquirrel	or other another not tested domain (so will be new query)
2022-05-06 22:05:45	madsquirrel	not from cache
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2022-05-06 22:06:04	teraflops	resolved does caching by default?
2022-05-06 22:06:16	◣	|AhIoRoS| (~|AhIoRoS|@190.219.117.161) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-05-06 22:06:24	second2050	madsquirrel, http://ix.io/3X8w kernel.org
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2022-05-06 22:06:42	second2050	teraflops, it is atleast enabled in my resolved.conf
2022-05-06 22:06:50	susi	that's from cache, >query time: 1 msec
2022-05-06 22:07:18	madsquirrel	yes, it caches
2022-05-06 22:07:41	second2050	http://ix.io/3X8x here with youtube.com
2022-05-06 22:07:46	◣	zeden (~zeden@user/zeden) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.3)
2022-05-06 22:07:47	susi	tcpdump -i any dst port 53
2022-05-06 22:07:55	madsquirrel	it may be disabled by DNSStubListener=no
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2022-05-06 22:08:55	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, yes
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2022-05-06 22:08:59	teraflops	I see
2022-05-06 22:09:00	second2050	susi, tcpdump is not installed on my machine
2022-05-06 22:09:19	teraflops	that's ipv4 but it look like their system is defualting to ipv6
2022-05-06 22:09:27	teraflops	so maybe -AAAA
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2022-05-06 22:09:37	teraflops	it looks^
2022-05-06 22:10:32	second2050	susi, http://ix.io/3X8y
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2022-05-06 22:13:03	susi	what was in that dns.conf, have you checked other NetworkManager conf files
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2022-05-06 22:13:49	susi	or was this just firefox issue now?
2022-05-06 22:13:58	second2050	it's just firefox
2022-05-06 22:14:48	second2050	and the problem still is that firefox doesn't start if the symlink from resolv.com to resolved's stub-resolv.conf exists
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2022-05-06 22:28:17	second2050	other applications (tested are discord, quassel-client) work fine with the symlink
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2022-05-06 22:28:17	second2050	I am also currently using the same machine to chat here in irc
2022-05-06 22:28:17	susi	do you have enable dns over https set in ff preferences? is proxy access 'use system proxy settings'?
2022-05-06 22:28:17	second2050	firefox is practically default, so it should use "system proxy settings" but dunno about inbuilt DoH in firefox
2022-05-06 22:28:17	susi	but have you enabled it or not under Networking?
2022-05-06 22:28:17	susi	there's a checkbox "Enable DNS over HTTPS"
2022-05-06 22:28:17	second2050	it's not enabled there
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2022-05-06 22:28:18	second2050	I have never changed the netowrk settings inside firefox
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2022-05-06 22:28:18	susi	if you enable that, I guess it will use built-in resolver and be immune to this issue, but not sure if it's actually a solution
2022-05-06 22:28:18	second2050	it's more of a workaround
2022-05-06 22:28:18	second2050	ah well I'll try for now I guess
2022-05-06 22:28:18	second2050	this entire thing is a joke it seems to workaround this
2022-05-06 22:28:18	yuri6037	I've just checked journalctl and it appears that the system doesn't crash in fact the system still runs so it's only enlightenment which does not listen to any input
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2022-05-06 22:28:18	yuri6037	all right never mind enlightenment is nothing more than a pile of crap; weston works
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2022-05-06 22:28:18	susi	yuri6037: switching vt's would tell that too, I guess
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2022-05-06 22:28:18	susi	if my system seems to freeze, first I try to ctrl-alt-f3
2022-05-06 22:28:18	yuri6037	yeah but I've said before that vbox does not allow typing CTRL+ALT+f3
2022-05-06 22:28:18	susi	ah, sorry
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2022-05-07 13:22:31	LimeOn	im using sddm, yes
2022-05-07 13:22:46	LimeOn	some idea of how can i solve the problem?
2022-05-07 13:28:46	LimeOn	after another restart, it got solved by itself -.-
2022-05-07 13:30:18	thrice	that's what I meant: did you try restarting lxqt TWO times
2022-05-07 13:30:23	thrice	;)
2022-05-07 14:31:17	very_sneaky	is anybody else having problems getting thread sanitizer to work on arch?
2022-05-07 14:39:54	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-05-07 14:40:53	◣	ncuxo (~Ident@87.121.71.46) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2022-05-07 14:41:16	pulec	can I add a boot parameter or something to ignore fstab during booting?
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2022-05-07 14:41:47	pulec	I changed a drive and forgot I have it in fstab and I can boot of iso and fix it, but it's only 'network' so I would rather for it to boot up even though one drive is missing
2022-05-07 14:41:58	tomty89	mask local-fs.target maybe?
2022-05-07 14:42:23	pulec	oh heck I have to connect monitor and keyboard to this
2022-05-07 14:42:28	pulec	meh
2022-05-07 14:43:24	tomty89	time to use automount
2022-05-07 14:43:36	pulec	!aw automount
2022-05-07 14:43:36	phrik	pulec: Automount - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Automount
2022-05-07 14:43:40	tomty89	(nofail is sort of broken)
2022-05-07 14:43:50	pulec	that links to udisks
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2022-05-07 14:44:37	pulec	nah, needs extra pckages!
2022-05-07 14:44:51	tomty89	man systemd.mount (and systemd.automount)
2022-05-07 14:45:28	tomty89	pulec: not talking about automount upon insertion
2022-05-07 14:45:52	tomty89	but rather automount upon access for fstab entries
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2022-05-07 14:49:50	Scimmia	it should drop you at an emergency prompt, you can fix fstab from there
2022-05-07 14:51:49	pulec	so boot up and then try mounting what's there, rather than mount everything at boot
2022-05-07 14:52:00	pulec	I can't grub rescue
2022-05-07 14:52:08	pulec	booting to archiso anyways
2022-05-07 14:53:46	Scimmia	nobody said anything about grub
2022-05-07 14:54:01	roxlu	hi! I've just installed phpmyadmin and this is probably a silly question, but why are the files in /usr/share/webapps/phpMyAdmin ownded by root? How is apache able to access those files?
2022-05-07 14:54:42	tomty89	i think the files have read access for "others" anyway
2022-05-07 14:54:51	tomty89	also you can symlink
2022-05-07 14:54:53	artefact	the source files should be read-only for users anyway
2022-05-07 14:55:04	artefact	probably 644
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2022-05-07 14:55:36	roxlu	ah ok thanks so all that apache/httpd needs is read access? 
2022-05-07 14:55:42	roxlu	to execute php scripts
2022-05-07 14:56:06	tomty89	i do wonder what's the recommended way to override the conf; bind mount maybe?
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2022-05-07 14:56:57	tomty89	roxlu: the php intepreter don't execute them
2022-05-07 14:57:29	roxlu	tomty89: ok thanks, so does that work? When I have a php script, it's read by apache then fed into "php" ? 
2022-05-07 14:57:51	artefact	depends on your setup. could be cgi stuff or php-fpm
2022-05-07 14:57:59	roxlu	like running `bash somescript` instead of `./somescript` ? (where the first only needs read access, the second execute)
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2022-05-07 14:58:07	artefact	either way you don't need +x on .php files for web stuff
2022-05-07 14:58:23	roxlu	ok thanks, that makes sense
2022-05-07 14:59:36	roxlu	now that I understand those permissions :) ... I'm installing piwigo and trying to symlink a test folder from e.g. /home/roxlu/tmp/photos into the `/usr/share/webapps/piwigo/galleries/` directory. Though piwigo doesn't import those photos. 
2022-05-07 14:59:58	◣	bitdex (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) ha salido (Quit: = "")
2022-05-07 15:00:17	roxlu	I've enabled `Options FollowSymlinks` in my vhost config and `/home` is part of open_basedir
2022-05-07 15:00:43	tomty89	roxlu: i don't think apache option affects that
2022-05-07 15:00:47	artefact	are /home, /home/roxlu, /home/roxlu/tmp and /home/roxlu/tmp/photo at least o+rx?
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2022-05-07 15:01:25	tomty89	probably not /home/roxlu, heh
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2022-05-07 15:02:07	tomty89	o+r sounds bad for HOME btw
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2022-05-07 15:02:25	artefact	yeah. you can use a bind mount, move photos to a shared directory outside /home, or (if same fs) do reflink copies
2022-05-07 15:02:38	◣	spare (~yhi52dmnq@user/spareproject) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-05-07 15:03:58	roxlu	I'll check, is there a quick way to check if a hierarchy has certain perms?
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2022-05-07 15:04:17	tomty89	you can probably just bind mount a (sub)directory under HOME onto somewhere else
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2022-05-07 15:04:49	tomty89	in that case you don't need o+r or o+x for HOME
2022-05-07 15:05:34	roxlu	what if I make the `http` user part of my `roxlu` group and give the roxlu group +r ? 
2022-05-07 15:06:41	tomty89	normally i wouldn't give any permission on HOME to other users anyway
2022-05-07 15:07:06	tomty89	using the group doesn't really make a difference
2022-05-07 15:07:14	roxlu	ok
2022-05-07 15:07:59	tomty89	#stays700
2022-05-07 15:08:09	roxlu	this was actually I wasn't sure about; what happens when /home has e.g. g-wrx but /home/roxlu has g+wrx ? would someone from the group that ownes /home/roxlu be able to r,w,x  the /home/roxlu dir?
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2022-05-07 15:09:21	tomty89	roxlu: the group permission on /home (not HOME) probably won't matter unless you have some users in the root group
2022-05-07 15:09:37	tomty89	(since normally it's owned by root:root)
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2022-05-07 15:10:09	tomty89	roxlu: and I don't think you can have o-rwx for /home
2022-05-07 15:10:43	tomty89	probably will block you from logging in with most non-root non-system users
2022-05-07 15:11:18	tomty89	(more precisely changing directory into HOME)
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2022-05-07 15:13:07	roxlu	ok thanks
2022-05-07 15:14:02	roxlu	I've just created `/gallery-test` in the root of my FS. Set it's perms to 777, then made a symlink like: `cd /usr/share/webapps/piwigo/gallerie/ && ln -s /gallery-test .` 
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2022-05-07 15:14:26	roxlu	though that still doesn't import the gallery;
2022-05-07 15:15:08	Shapeshifter	Uhm, I'm trying to change my email addres on aur.archlinux.org, so I logged in and I'm in "My Account", but if I change the addres, it says "Invalid password". So I tried entering my existing password in both "Password" and "Re-type password", but same thing.
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2022-05-07 15:15:17	tomty89	roxlu: as i said/implied, whether this piwigo follows symlink probably depends on its own code / configuration
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2022-05-07 15:16:31	roxlu	tomty89: yeah I understand; some articles say it does, some say it wont follow symlinks :#
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2022-05-07 15:22:33	tomty89	roxlu: try `mkdir /usr/share/webapps/piwigo/gallerie/test; mount --bind /gallery-test /usr/share/webapps/piwigo/gallerie/test`, maybe
2022-05-07 15:22:51	tomty89	roxlu: btw is it really "gallerie"?
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2022-05-07 15:24:00	roxlu	oh no, it's galleries
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2022-05-07 15:24:40	roxlu	i'm diving into the code to see if I can figure out why it's ignoring my link 
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2022-05-07 15:28:15	roxlu	ah when I create the original directory in /gallery-test (in root of fs), then create a symlink it actually does work; sorry
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2022-05-07 15:37:25	roxlu	ok, so it's a permission issue. 
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2022-05-07 15:39:57	roxlu	after adding g+rx to /home/roxlu I was able to import the gallery (https://gist.github.com/roxlu/bc5e4c4f3c5ee4940b9d0ce07720724d) 
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2022-05-07 15:53:19	susi	files under /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/ don't need to start with numerals, rite?
2022-05-07 15:53:33	roxlu	using `mount --bind` did the trick, thanks
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2022-05-07 15:56:49	duuuuuude	 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188EUS 802.11n Wireless Network Adapter
2022-05-07 15:57:18	duuuuuude	what is the driver for this on arch? where does it come from?
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2022-05-07 16:05:22	susi	what I understand from NetworkManager.conf man page, conf.d/ files don't need to start with numerals, but not sure..
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2022-05-07 16:05:59	sord937	I found that lately wlan0 sometimes is not created on boot, it occurs on both my NUC (Intel Wi-Fi 6 using iwlwifi) and Dell laptop (Qualcom Atheros using ath10k_pci).
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2022-05-07 16:06:41	sord937	Today I had to reboot 3 times before wlan0 appears - I diff'ed the logs (journalctl, etc) and can not find anything obvious.
2022-05-07 16:06:59	sord937	It worked for years before.
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2022-05-07 16:07:48	sord937	(I also tried to bounce systemd-networkd and iwd when this happens, but without luck, a few reboots then it works again).
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2022-05-07 16:08:18	sord937	I would appreciate if anyone has any advice :-)
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2022-05-07 16:15:44	susi	sord937: net.ifnames=0 could help, I guess
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2022-05-07 16:16:23	sord937	duuuuuude: maybe https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers
2022-05-07 16:16:25	phrik	Title: en:users:drivers [Linux Wireless] (at wireless.wiki.kernel.org)
2022-05-07 16:17:24	sord937	thanks susi I will look into that - I did not mention that ip link only shows loopback when this happens.
2022-05-07 16:19:00	susi	then it's something else
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2022-05-07 16:19:38	sord937	it is worth a shot having a boot entry with that kernel param for next time this happens :-)
2022-05-07 16:19:53	susi	sord937: if you check journalctl -b --grep=ath10k, anything?
2022-05-07 16:20:04	susi	(or from such boot where it did not appear, if it's not the current boot)
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2022-05-07 16:20:44	sord937	susi: I diff'ed a failing and working boot after grepping ath10k (on laptop) and (iwlwifi) on NUC -> they were identical apart from time stamps
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2022-05-07 16:21:00	sord937	I suspect there is a race condition of sort somewhere
2022-05-07 16:22:27	susi	sord937: probably try udevadm control --reload-rules or udevadm trigger --attr-match=subsystem=net
2022-05-07 16:22:46	sord937	susi: thank you that is a great idea!
2022-05-07 16:23:59	susi	or is it just `udevadm control --reload`
2022-05-07 16:24:41	sord937	thank you for helping susi 
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2022-05-07 16:56:59	ℹ 	lachesis_ es conocido ahora como lachesis
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2022-05-07 17:02:03	wingstroke	BrainDamage: I see "No mailbox is open", when I press c, I see "Open mailbox (? for list):", to which if I press c again I see "Open mailbox: c", when I press enter I see "c is not a mailbox"
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2022-05-07 17:02:56	BrainDamage	sorry, to be clear, c ? c
2022-05-07 17:03:07	BrainDamage	it'll prompt you for a path
2022-05-07 17:03:20	BrainDamage	you can set shortcuts otherwise, to have them in the list
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2022-05-07 18:00:27	croyleje	hello everyone I use bluetoothctl to connect my headphones and have noticed if I leave them plugged in to the usb port to charge when I turn my computer on when I go to connect they will not auto connect and if you manully connect they just log on then disconnect
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2022-05-07 18:01:02	croyleje	I read the wiki but that didnt help much anyone have any ideas
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2022-05-07 18:03:08	croyleje	looks like it has something to do with be enumerated as a usb device maybe becasue the mac address is loged there is some info on the wiki a similar issue if daul booting but the fix they suggest is on the windows side
2022-05-07 18:04:00	croyleje	i am NOT daul booting if that wasnt made clear
2022-05-07 18:05:28	teraflops	croyleje: are you using pulseaudio or pipewire?
2022-05-07 18:05:38	croyleje	pulseaudio
2022-05-07 18:06:24	croyleje	teraflops: its not much of an issue really more of a quirk just wondering if anyone had come across it before 
2022-05-07 18:06:30	teraflops	tried pulseaudio -k and then try to pair
2022-05-07 18:06:35	teraflops	^?
2022-05-07 18:06:41	croyleje	aww thank you
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2022-05-07 18:07:03	croyleje	teraflops: will give it at try thanks for the tip
2022-05-07 18:07:06	teraflops	i'd recommend switching to pipewire, the support is quite good
2022-05-07 18:07:32	teraflops	bt support and plenty of codecs
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2022-05-07 18:08:42	croyleje	yeah I been seeing more and more about pipewire and apprently there is a really cool way of routing inputs and outputs with a diagram now
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2022-05-07 18:09:51	croyleje	but thank you for the suggestion it makes sense pulse is propbably see the headset via usb at boot and connecting to them hadnt thought of that
2022-05-07 18:11:00	teraflops	I switched not long ago and I can play ldac at 96000 sample rate
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2022-05-07 18:11:43	tomty89	pulse has gained extra codec support upstream too
2022-05-07 18:11:58	teraflops	yeah
2022-05-07 18:12:13	teraflops	been using for a long time, AAC APTX and LDAC
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2022-05-07 18:13:32	croyleje	looks like arch is opening up more to the newer user also the updated archinstall script is getting closer and closer to a guided install
2022-05-07 18:14:11	teraflops	but iirc theres a new codec for calls that is way better than HPF
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2022-05-07 18:16:50	tomty89	teraflops: lc3?
2022-05-07 18:17:34	tomty89	i thought lc3 supersedes only sbc though
2022-05-07 18:17:49	tomty89	(i.e. a2dp only)
2022-05-07 18:18:52	teraflops	hmm i do not know the name of the codec, it just shows in pavucontrol
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2022-05-07 18:39:19	sec^nd	Hello, I recentlly updated and killed pacman part way through by accident. It had installed and was doing the post install jobs. Is there a way to re-run those?
2022-05-07 18:39:19	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-05-07 18:39:54	Scimmia	sec^nd: only by reinstalling the packages that were part of the update
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2022-05-07 18:40:05	sec^nd	I have a bridge network setup but my virtual machine is unable to connect to the internet, the dhcp server never responds, it was working. Does anyone know how I might fix this?
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2022-05-07 18:40:21	sec^nd	Scimmia: how do I reinstall all packages installed on the system?
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2022-05-07 18:41:20	cheater	tomty89: thanks
2022-05-07 18:42:29	cheater	susi: thanks, so the output lists "ipv4.dns: --". i'd like to change my configuration type to manual rather than automatic... does that mean i just leave the dns fields empty in nm?
2022-05-07 18:42:32	tomty89	teraflops: not really; cvsd is exactly what hfp has been using AFAIK (and mSBC is semi-optional)
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2022-05-07 18:42:42	teraflops	oh I see
2022-05-07 18:43:00	Namarrgon	cheater: we don't support spins and forks of arch
2022-05-07 18:43:01	tomty89	teraflops: probably just pipewire allows you too choose the codec explicitly
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2022-05-07 18:43:29	jirido	Hi. How can i set a default microphone for a specific program i launch.. I have a set a virtual microphone and use pipewire.
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2022-05-07 18:44:17	jirido	can i set it trough a env variable and launch from terminal?
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2022-05-07 18:46:45	Namarrgon	sec^nd: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks
2022-05-07 18:46:47	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-07 18:47:19	Namarrgon	sec^nd: combined with --dbonly it should still trigger the hooks
2022-05-07 18:47:59	tomty89	jirido: well assuming the program uses libpulse, there's PULSE_SOURCE
2022-05-07 18:48:08	Namarrgon	though perhaps that's a bit too risky in case you ran -Sy inbetween
2022-05-07 18:48:13	tomty89	jirido: man pulseaudio for details
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2022-05-07 18:51:11	jirido	tomty89: So libpulse is used even if i do use PW? Can i asume that I in general can follow guides for pulse audio even if running PW? 
2022-05-07 18:52:02	artefact	mostly yes. except exotic module stuff
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2022-05-07 18:52:37	jirido	Ok that feels good to hear.
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2022-05-07 18:53:57	jirido	It is a bit confusing that it seames to be more than one way to do things but I guess it is good.
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2022-05-07 18:57:56	jirido	artefact: tomty89: Idon't have pulseaudio installed it seames as I cant find any man page for it. If I install it will it automatically take over from PW or do something else confusing thing? Or does it exist a PW_SOURCE?
2022-05-07 18:58:35	sec^nd	Namarrgon: thank you!
2022-05-07 18:59:06	artefact	jirido: i'm missing some context, what are you trying to do? there's usually no reason to have both pw and pulse server installed (not talking about libpulse)
2022-05-07 18:59:07	sec^nd	As for my libvirt / qemu / kvm not working or getting an ip address it was because of docker https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/594387/kvm-client-no-dhcp-with-host-bridge-when-docker-is-running
2022-05-07 18:59:08	phrik	Title: KVM client no dhcp with host bridge when docker is running - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2022-05-07 18:59:17	sec^nd	its a known issue apparently https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Docker#Starting_Docker_breaks_KVM_bridged_networking
2022-05-07 18:59:19	phrik	Title: Docker - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-05-07 19:15:34	jirido	artefact: I have a soundfile that i want to play and feed to https://speechnotes.co/ (let you transcribe voice to text) so I set up an virtual speaker that i link to a virtual microphone that I also set up(this I doin a script), then I want to start chromium listening to that virtual microphone. And lastly play my soundfile to that virtual speakers.. Preferably I would like to put it all in to a
2022-05-07 19:15:34	jirido	script 
2022-05-07 19:15:34	phrik	Title: Speechnotes | Speech to Text Online Notepad (at speechnotes.co)
2022-05-07 19:15:40	jirido	that are also converting the wav(on sd card) to mp3 and slowing it down 10% into a temp folder, and set up the devices and launch chromium with the virtualmicrophone as the one in use. Then I can start playback of the mp3 into the virtual speakers with ffmpeg and start recording in chromium. 
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2022-05-07 19:17:33	jirido	So what I wonder is how to start chromium with the right microphone and ffmpeg to play in to the right speakers from commandline.
2022-05-07 19:18:13	jirido	It doesn't need to be "default" but just the "one"
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2022-05-07 19:20:00	jirido	when linux get a good multilingual speach to text engine going I guess this is not an issue anymore.
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2022-05-07 19:21:52	tomty89	jirido: well perhaps you have pipewire (but the PULSE_SOURCE env var should still work)
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2022-05-07 19:23:20	jirido	ok so as i don't have the man page , how do i list the available sources and targets?
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2022-05-07 19:24:13	jirido	listing all variables and filtering them with |grep pulse?
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2022-05-07 19:25:06	tomty89	jirido: pactl list [short] sources|sinks
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2022-05-07 19:25:26	artefact	jirido: it sounds easier to do with jack. are you using pulse loopback as the virtual interface?
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2022-05-07 19:25:48	artefact	(by jack i meant carla/qjackctl/the other pw thing i always forget)
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2022-05-07 19:26:52	jirido	artefact: I would like to do it without gui
2022-05-07 19:27:21	jirido	or maybe they are cli.. Im not so good at this
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2022-05-07 19:27:59	Tazy	Hi all, I have a question on ipv6 on *nix, I see a whole bunch of addresses 4 to be exact when I do `ip a` , windows seems to just have 3, one being a temp and the other a link local, what is the, global deprecated dynamic ones? and mngtmepaddr?  
2022-05-07 19:27:59	artefact	or i guess you could also use a trivial pw filterchain that maps its inputs to its outputs as-is
2022-05-07 19:28:44	jirido	ok
2022-05-07 19:28:54	jirido	sounds interesting
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2022-05-07 19:36:33	tomty89	jack_connect!
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2022-05-07 19:37:39	susi	Tazy: probably related to ipv6 privacy extension
2022-05-07 19:38:24	artefact	yeah, usually you have dynamic ones for general use and static/slaac ones for listen()ing
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2022-05-07 20:06:43	jirido	when I try to start jack deamon I get an DBus exception: org.jackaudio.Error.Generic: Failed to open server
2022-05-07 20:07:08	jirido	where are the logs for the local user?
2022-05-07 20:07:59	BrainDamage	journalctl --user
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2022-05-07 20:08:31	jirido	I tried to start it as root also.. but it also didn't work. It should be started as user, right?
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2022-05-07 20:11:57	tomty89	jirido: you have jack2-dbus installed?
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2022-05-07 20:13:33	⚡ 	tomty89 prefers starting it in a terminal (emulator); a systemd user service is shipped these days btw
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2022-05-07 20:17:05	jirido	yes, and I think I can't install pipewire-jack because of it
2022-05-07 20:17:42	jirido	I have jack2 and jack2-dbus
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2022-05-07 20:18:22	tomty89	well pipewire-jack is for pipewire to "pretend" as a jack server
2022-05-07 20:18:44	jirido	ok so it should work with jack2?
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2022-05-07 20:19:33	tomty89	jirido: what i mean is, you either choose to use the "real" jack server/implementation, or pipewire(-jack)
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2022-05-07 20:20:14	tomty89	jirido: and pipewire could stops you from starting a real jack server (at least if it's grabbing your sound card)
2022-05-07 20:20:20	pulec	++ for pipewire-jack
2022-05-07 20:20:27	pulec	with qpwgraph
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2022-05-07 20:22:07	jirido	I tried to find a --user service org.jackaudio.service to start from systemctl as jack_control start did not work and journalctl did't give out much
2022-05-07 20:22:09	tomty89	yeah probably you should either use pulse-jack with the real jack, or the full suite pipewire
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2022-05-07 20:22:54	jirido	I got this in the logs
2022-05-07 20:22:56	jirido	ALSA lib confmisc.c:165:(snd_config_get_card) Cannot get card index for HD2
2022-05-07 20:23:19	jirido	and
2022-05-07 20:23:23	jirido	no message buffer overruns
2022-05-07 20:24:12	jirido	else it said that it sucessfully activated the servise but still jack_control staus say tha he service is stoped
2022-05-07 20:24:28	jirido	that the*
2022-05-07 20:25:26	tomty89	that error indicates that you are using the wrong device name
2022-05-07 20:25:43	jirido	there is a  /usr/bin/jackdbus auto running under dbus.service
2022-05-07 20:26:03	tomty89	check aplay -l
2022-05-07 20:26:06	jirido	tomty89: ok.. alead!
2022-05-07 20:26:58	jirido	I have an analoug and one hdmi card
2022-05-07 20:27:19	jirido	device 0 and 3
2022-05-07 20:28:02	tomty89	so where does this "HD2" come from? Do you see HD2?
2022-05-07 20:28:05	jirido	both is on card0
2022-05-07 20:28:13	jirido	no
2022-05-07 20:28:19	tomty89	well fix your conf
2022-05-07 20:28:25	jirido	looks like a harddrive tome
2022-05-07 20:28:32	jirido	ok
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2022-05-07 20:29:51	tomty89	jirido: you can try `jackd -d alsa -d hw:0,0` first anyway
2022-05-07 20:31:06	tomty89	jirido: once you have jack started, pipewire will not be able to use your card (hence anything that relies on libpulse)
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2022-05-07 20:31:33	tomty89	jirido: or jack could not be started because pipewire has grabbed the card
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2022-05-07 20:32:15	jirido	no jack started alright and no more sound in my mediaplayer
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2022-05-07 20:32:32	jirido	this is not optimal
2022-05-07 20:32:36	artefact	if you use pipewire, you don't need jack, at all
2022-05-07 20:32:40	tomty89	jirido: if you want to avoid this dilemma, use pipewire-jack
2022-05-07 20:32:42	artefact	pipewire *is* a jack server
2022-05-07 20:32:57	jirido	ok so uninstall jack
2022-05-07 20:33:21	artefact	i don't think you can, it's a dependency of lots of stuff. but you don't want to run it
2022-05-07 20:33:23	jirido	and I can then still use jack_connect?
2022-05-07 20:33:32	artefact	pipewire is a drop-in replacement for jackd
2022-05-07 20:33:40	artefact	for apps compiled with -ljack
2022-05-07 20:33:53	tomty89	jirido: i don't know how well pipewire-jack will work for the routing you want to implement though
2022-05-07 20:34:04	⚡ 	tomty89 has no experience with it
2022-05-07 20:34:21	jirido	but to install pipewire-jack i need touninstall jack2 and jack2-dbus
2022-05-07 20:34:27	tomty89	jirido: yes
2022-05-07 20:34:44	tomty89	jirido: just say yes to pacman
2022-05-07 20:35:12	tomty89	jirido: you could do the same thing if you want to change back to jack2 (and jack2-dbus) later
2022-05-07 20:37:22	jirido	Can't I just start chromium with a env parameter to use pulse_source=virtualmic somehow?
2022-05-07 20:37:46	tomty89	jirido: well you chose to try jack
2022-05-07 20:38:10	jirido	You suggested it
2022-05-07 20:38:10	tomty89	jirido: you could try the PULSE_SOURCE env var as well; as I said, it should still work even when you are using pipewire
2022-05-07 20:38:18	tomty89	jirido: nope, that was not me
2022-05-07 20:38:21	jirido	ok
2022-05-07 20:38:22	tomty89	some other guy did
2022-05-07 20:38:28	jirido	right
2022-05-07 20:39:05	tomty89	jirido: and I also mentioned `pactl list [short] sources|sinks`
2022-05-07 20:40:13	jirido	I have to go get some nettles for dinner before it is all dark, but Ill be back. Thanks for the help for this far. /yes you did and I looked in that long list and will look more to try to see what I have for use there.
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2022-05-07 21:03:50	psychotron	xscreensaver has this text:"(Windows)", what does it mean?
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2022-05-07 21:30:50	midnite	is /srv/media a decent place to mount the virtual drive that will contain video files to serve with plex? or is there a more 'proper' place to mount something like this?
2022-05-07 21:31:54	tomty89	proper is overrated
2022-05-07 21:32:10	midnite	yeah, maybe proper isn't the right word... does /srv/media make sense here?
2022-05-07 21:32:17	midnite	it makes sense to me... :)
2022-05-07 21:32:36	tomty89	midnite: i mean, it's more or less anywhere you like
2022-05-07 21:35:07	tomty89	midnite: just not somewhere under a HOME unless this server is run as a non-root user
2022-05-07 21:35:31	tomty89	s/HOME/user-specific directory/
2022-05-07 21:36:33	midnite	it won't be run as root. but I suppose I can fix the permissions so that Plex has R/W access to /srv/media
2022-05-07 21:37:08	tomty89	midnite: i was only referring to the other way round
2022-05-07 21:37:16	midnite	ah ok
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2022-05-08 10:27:19	wingstroke	hello, i'm trying to get mutt running with two email accounts both from imap server outook.office365.com. i'm trying to follow the wiki to set it up, but it looks like i can't set the `folder` to imaps://user@outlook.office365.com:993 without running into authentication failures. but if i set the folder for both profiles as the same imap server and configure shortcuts to switch profiles, mutt
2022-05-08 10:27:19	wingstroke	keeps 
2022-05-08 10:27:19	wingstroke	connecting the same, default account
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2022-05-08 10:30:12	rxfh	wingstroke: personally i just maintain multiple mutt config files for different accounts. got too complicated trying to share. doesn't really answer your question though but its a potential solution
2022-05-08 10:30:28	wingstroke	my muttrc has two profiles source like `source ~/profile1` `folder-hook $folder source ~/profile1` `source ~/profile2` `folder-hook profile2 source ~/profile2`
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2022-05-08 10:30:53	wingstroke	i believe the issue with somehow not setting the folder correctly at the switch time...
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2022-05-08 10:32:57	rxfh	i alias in bashrc. like company1='mutt -F .mutt/company1rc' company2='mutt -f .mutt/company2rc' and so on
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2022-05-08 10:33:51	wingstroke	rxfh: i see, yeah actually that's not a bad idea! thanks, i can do the same
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2022-05-08 10:34:40	rxfh	i mean its not very elegant, and it has down the downside of having to manage multiple config files with duplicate settings, but it works for me. got tired of fighting with nuances 
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2022-05-08 10:35:38	rxfh	sometimes i am contracting at several companies so i really try to keep clean divisions like that to avoid any chance of accidents ;)
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2022-05-08 10:37:46	wingstroke	rxfh: yeah mine is a similar situation, and the bash aliases neatly sweep the problem under the rug :D
2022-05-08 10:38:50	rxfh	word
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2022-05-08 11:29:00	⚡ 	ChrisWarrick works for one company, and loves having a separate company laptop
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2022-05-08 11:29:34	ChrisWarrick	but if this wasn’t the case, I’d probably have a separate user account (in /etc/passwd) for each company
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2022-05-08 16:08:01	shadowless	grawity: was a little slow, but httrack still got the job done. worked great
2022-05-08 16:57:44	cyphertite	djapo:  running spinning platters vs SSDs will likely kill your battery *far* faster than any filesystem choice you make
2022-05-08 17:01:53	arseru	Do you guys know why do I have to unplug and plug back again the jack from my speakers every time I turn on my machine? Which package or config do I need to twitch to avoid having to do this every time? running arch with i3 and alsa/pulseaudio. Maybe is it something I can enable from `pavucontrol`?
2022-05-08 17:05:26	chris_99	Hi, does anyone know anything like gnome-network-display for screen casting, but doesn't require a direct wifi connection per chance? (as in the tv connects to a wifi AP and you perform casting to the TV by also connecting to the AP)
2022-05-08 17:15:00	NetSysFire	arseru: maybe the PA folks in #pulseaudio on oftc can help you with that
2022-05-08 17:19:37	arseru	NetSysFire: thanks!
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2022-05-08 17:45:51	rapha	hi all
2022-05-08 17:46:37	rapha	anyone here who uses pipewire + pulseaudio and could help me troubleshoot why, since a few days ago (after updates) the volume button on my laptop doesn't affect headphones (cable or BT doesn't matter anymore)?
2022-05-08 17:46:54	rapha	*closing parenthesis after matter, not after anymore
2022-05-08 17:47:41	Khorne	Is it bound to anything that manages volume?
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2022-05-08 17:53:16	rapha	Khorne: well, i run KDE Plasma which has volume management features but usually I have pavucontrol open for that.
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2022-05-08 17:55:27	Khorne	Well check if a keybinding exists for the key
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2022-05-08 18:17:46	rapha	ah, pipewire-pulse is what i meant by pipewire+pulseaudio, Edu4rdSHL 
2022-05-08 18:18:15	Edu4rdSHL	Well, that's a totally different thing :)
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2022-05-08 18:18:24	rapha	what do you mean by pipewire-{alsa,jack,pulse}? do you use all three?
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2022-05-08 18:19:29	Edu4rdSHL	rapha, it's almost what do you want in any setup, for example, a lot of steam games doesn't have audio if you don't have pipewire-alsa
2022-05-08 18:19:47	Edu4rdSHL	But well, your problem seems to be related to the default device
2022-05-08 18:19:54	Edu4rdSHL	How are you switching the outputs?
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2022-05-08 18:20:22	Edu4rdSHL	And, what Pipewire session manager are you using?
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2022-05-08 18:21:24	rapha	ah i see ... no gaming on this laptop fwiw. and pipewire-media-session, if that's what you mean?
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2022-05-08 18:21:51	rapha	maybe i need to simply stop using pavucontrol ... it's so habitual
2022-05-08 18:22:27	Edu4rdSHL	Pavucontrol works fine
2022-05-08 18:22:48	Edu4rdSHL	pipewire-media-session is almost unmaintained right now
2022-05-08 18:22:58	Edu4rdSHL	You may want to switch to wireplumber
2022-05-08 18:23:00	rapha	and the default device switches by itself once the headphones are plugged in
2022-05-08 18:23:02	rapha	okay
2022-05-08 18:23:04	rapha	lemme try that
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2022-05-08 18:25:39	Edu4rdSHL	rapha, when the switch "happens automatically" check pavucontrol, see if the device is really the default and if yes, try unsetting/setting it gback again and see if that works
2022-05-08 18:26:14	Edu4rdSHL	For wireplumber you need to install the package, stop pipewire-media-session.service and start wireplumber.service
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2022-05-08 18:39:27	Gueest87	Hello all, I'm configuring a RAID1 system with EFI, and reading the doc https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFI_system_partition#Create_the_partition I see:
2022-05-08 18:39:28	Gueest87	"Warning: The EFI system partition must be a physical partition in the main partition table of the disk, not under LVM or software RAID etc.". This is still true?
2022-05-08 18:39:28	phrik	Title: EFI system partition - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-05-08 18:40:55	Edu4rdSHL	Gueest87, yes.
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2022-05-08 18:41:36	SysGhost	Gueest87: The EFI itself can only access media it knows. To read the needed stuff the EFI sysdtem partition need to be readable by the systems own firmware.
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2022-05-08 18:42:08	Gueest87	but it's not possible also using initramfs?
2022-05-08 18:42:13	mpan	Gueest87: be aware that EFI is not read by Linux, but by the firmware. So any abstraction provided by Linux or its bootloader are not available yet at that stage.
2022-05-08 18:42:43	SysGhost	Gueest87: The ESP is read way before linux or any init images are involved.
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2022-05-08 18:43:13	mpan	s/EFI/ESP/ (in my msg)
2022-05-08 18:43:20	SysGhost	System -> ESP partition -> (boot loader) -> kernel 
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2022-05-08 18:43:53	SysGhost	sometimes the boot laoder can be skipped and one can have the EFI load the kernel directly. But that's a different story
2022-05-08 18:43:56	Gueest87	and what about EFI Stub? so bypass grub bootloader? same thing?
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2022-05-08 18:44:16	Edu4rdSHL	Gueest87, what's your point?
2022-05-08 18:44:20	SysGhost	still need to read the kernel (which has the EFI stub) off a drive somewhere
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2022-05-08 18:44:25	Edu4rdSHL	Your question was answered already
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2022-05-08 18:45:02	mpan	Gueest87: it’s a limitation of the software delivered with your motherboard, over which you have no control. And is not related to Arch or any operating system at all.
2022-05-08 18:45:27	Gueest87	Edu4rdSHL ok thanks for your feedback, so it's not feasible
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2022-05-08 18:47:01	Dreamer3	my alt-0/1/2 don't seem to work in irssi but higher keys do... i read somewhere i could be other programs claiming those keystrokes, but i'm not sure where to check
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2022-05-08 18:47:49	gehidore	probably the windowmanager
2022-05-08 18:48:21	mpan	Dreamer3: turn off any applications you do not use at the moment. See if that helps. If it does, find which one of them caused that. If not, see in your DM’s key binding settings.
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2022-05-08 18:48:38	Dreamer3	I'm using XFCE and i looked under keyboard and didn't see anything relevant.
2022-05-08 18:48:41	Dreamer3	"turn off"?
2022-05-08 18:48:50	mpan	Terminate
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2022-05-08 18:49:13	mpan	Xfce to my knowledge has no such bindings. But my mind may be rusty. 
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2022-05-08 18:50:08	mpan	I am running irssi under Xfce rn (in xfce4-terminal) and Alt+digits work. I have almost all of default keybindings removed, but I do not recall any that would interfere. And if it’s not that, I do not see what other in Xfce itself could hold those.
2022-05-08 18:50:16	colo	Gueest87, you need BIOS/EFI-level fakeraid support to be ablte to have ESP on RAID1 (or any other level)
2022-05-08 18:50:32	Dreamer3	xfce-terminal itself seems to use those for it's own tabs...
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2022-05-08 18:50:44	mpan	Oh, I never used tabs. Let me check.
2022-05-08 18:50:56	rapha	Edu4rdSHL: hah! everything is back to normal now! thank you! :-D
2022-05-08 18:50:58	mpan	Ok, confirmed.
2022-05-08 18:51:19	Edu4rdSHL	rapha, glad to hear :), it was the session manager then
2022-05-08 18:53:16	mpan	Dreamer3: ask at #xfce if there is a way to disable that. If not, looks like a bug to me.
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2022-05-08 18:54:30	Edu4rdSHL	Dreamer3, Preferences -> Advanced
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2022-05-08 18:55:01	mpan	Edu4rdSHL: nothing that affect it there, AFAIK.
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2022-05-08 18:55:20	mpan	(no, disabling shortcuts is not affecting the issue)
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2022-05-08 18:55:49	Dreamer3	i don't want to disable ALL menu access, so i didn't try that
2022-05-08 18:56:03	mpan	Dreamer3: and it will not. I have all of those disabled, and the issue is still present.
2022-05-08 18:56:15	mpan	Even worse, the keybindings are not uninstalled after the tabs area closed, it seems.
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2022-05-08 19:39:25	letalis	Can someone please help me, i have no internet on arch anymore
2022-05-08 19:39:36	letalis	I was messing around with trying to install protonvpn on it
2022-05-08 19:39:43	letalis	It didn't work so i left it
2022-05-08 19:40:11	letalis	But i restarted and now it connects to my wifi but it has no internet
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2022-05-08 19:40:37	letalis	I tried pinging google.com and it said temporary failure in name resolution 
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2022-05-08 19:40:51	jhjacobs81	have you removed protonvpn?
2022-05-08 19:41:10	letalis	So i restarted dhcpcd and now it says nothing, pinging or trying to browse tp a website just hangs and nothing happens
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2022-05-08 19:41:41	letalis	jhjacobs: i think so, how can i check if i removed everything? 
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2022-05-08 19:41:43	jhjacobs81	remove all the protonvpn
2022-05-08 19:41:54	jhjacobs81	well, how did you install it?
2022-05-08 19:42:12	letalis	Using yay
2022-05-08 19:42:17	jhjacobs81	i know nothing of protonvpn :)
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2022-05-08 19:42:22	letalis	Then i did yay -R protonvpn
2022-05-08 19:42:51	jhjacobs81	can you ping your router on its ip?
2022-05-08 19:43:18	letalis	When i do ip address show i get 6 different ips for my wifi
2022-05-08 19:43:23	letalis	That's not normal i think
2022-05-08 19:43:31	jhjacobs81	not really, no :)
2022-05-08 19:43:32	grawity	having multiple is not unusual
2022-05-08 19:43:43	jhjacobs81	but 6 is a bit.. much..
2022-05-08 19:44:00	letalis	Yeah, i think i added something when trying to configure openvpn for protonvpn
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2022-05-08 19:44:21	letalis	I installed something like openvpn-systemd-resolve or smth like that 
2022-05-08 19:44:22	jhjacobs81	still. can you ping your router?
2022-05-08 19:44:31	grawity	gonna guess you have your regular ipv4, then link-local ipv6 (fe80), then global ipv6 (2xxx) (regular + temporary), then private ipv6 (fdxx) (regular + temporary)
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2022-05-08 19:44:34	letalis	jhjacobs81: yes
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2022-05-08 19:44:54	Edu4rdSHL	letalis, can you ping 1.1.1.1 ?
2022-05-08 19:45:03	jhjacobs81	or 8.8.8.8 ;-)
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2022-05-08 19:45:05	letalis	Sorry i have 5, 2 ipv4 and 3 ipv6
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2022-05-08 19:45:25	letalis	I cna ping bofh of those
2022-05-08 19:45:27	grawity	two ipv4 is unusual
2022-05-08 19:45:32	Edu4rdSHL	Then it's a DNS issue
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2022-05-08 19:45:36	grawity	but not necessarily bad
2022-05-08 19:45:43	jhjacobs81	then remove the openvpn-systemd-resolve thing :)
2022-05-08 19:45:45	letalis	Sorry for spelling I'm on mobile
2022-05-08 19:45:51	Edu4rdSHL	letalis, `resolvectl status`
2022-05-08 19:46:28	jhjacobs81	troubleshooting is mostly backstepping (or whatever its called in english) ... undo what you did :)
2022-05-08 19:46:39	Edu4rdSHL	Also, as a workaround you can just put `nameserver 8.8.8.8` in /etc/resolv.conf while you fix your problem
2022-05-08 19:46:56	letalis	Edu4rdSHL: what should i look for there? Since i can't send you the output since I'm on mobile
2022-05-08 19:46:59	Edu4rdSHL	I mean, so that you can share some info with us
2022-05-08 19:47:24	◣	indux (~Thunderbi@94.139.8.250) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-05-08 19:47:35	letalis	Apparently i have removed openvpn-systemd-resolve thing :D
2022-05-08 19:47:58	◣	arseru (uid515527@user/arseru) ha salido (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2022-05-08 19:48:04	letalis	Edu4rdSHL: what does that do? Nameserver 8.8.8.8?
2022-05-08 19:48:18	jhjacobs81	it adds the google dns server to your system :)
2022-05-08 19:48:20	grawity	sets your DNS server
2022-05-08 19:48:33	jhjacobs81	that way, you can ping www.google.com again instead of 8.8.8.8
2022-05-08 19:48:49	jhjacobs81	it makes the internet work again, so to speak
2022-05-08 19:48:53	Edu4rdSHL	Yes
2022-05-08 19:48:57	letalis	Should i delete the other nameservers on /etc/resolve.conf?
2022-05-08 19:49:10	jhjacobs81	just comment them out
2022-05-08 19:49:16	jhjacobs81	put a # in front of them
2022-05-08 19:49:27	Edu4rdSHL	That way it's easier for us to throubleshoot as we can have logs and command outputs
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2022-05-08 19:49:56	letalis	If still doesn't work
2022-05-08 19:50:00	letalis	It*
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2022-05-08 19:50:40	Edu4rdSHL	letalis, did you put it using lowercase letters, right?
2022-05-08 19:50:45	Edu4rdSHL	No "Nameserver"
2022-05-08 19:50:48	letalis	Yeah
2022-05-08 19:51:01	Edu4rdSHL	Is resolv.conf a symlink?
2022-05-08 19:51:03	letalis	That's just mobile formatting capitalizing after punctuation :) 
2022-05-08 19:51:10	letalis	How do i see that? 
2022-05-08 19:51:30	Edu4rdSHL	Are you new on linux?
2022-05-08 19:51:41	Edu4rdSHL	I mean, that's a very basic thing :p
2022-05-08 19:51:47	letalis	A bit yes, I'm sorry if i don't fully understand everything
2022-05-08 19:51:53	Edu4rdSHL	Also, is that ArchLinux or some Arch-based?
2022-05-08 19:51:54	letalis	But I'm trying to learn
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2022-05-08 19:51:59	letalis	No it's Arch
2022-05-08 19:52:03	Edu4rdSHL	ls -la /etc/resolv.conf
2022-05-08 19:52:16	letalis	Yeah i did thT
2022-05-08 19:52:26	letalis	It doesn't show any symlink
2022-05-08 19:52:39	Edu4rdSHL	Uuuh
2022-05-08 19:53:04	letalis	But a bit after i change it to nameserver 8.8.8.8 it keeps reverting back to
2022-05-08 19:53:17	letalis	Domain: my router nams
2022-05-08 19:53:19	Edu4rdSHL	Which network manager are you using?
2022-05-08 19:53:25	letalis	Nameserver: my ip
2022-05-08 19:53:31	jhjacobs81	oy
2022-05-08 19:53:34	letalis	Nameserver: some longer thing
2022-05-08 19:53:40	letalis	I'm using NetworkManager
2022-05-08 19:54:06	jhjacobs81	have you rebooted, since you removed this vpn-resolve-package-thingy?
2022-05-08 19:54:28	Edu4rdSHL	letalis, I wonder why you installed openvpn-systemd-resolved then
2022-05-08 19:54:30	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-05-08 19:54:45	letalis	I read you need it for protonvpn
2022-05-08 19:54:49	letalis	On the wiki
2022-05-08 19:55:03	letalis	jhjacobs81: yes, that's when it stopped working :) 
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2022-05-08 19:55:24	jhjacobs81	whoops, yes you said so
2022-05-08 19:55:29	letalis	Before rebooting i removed all protonvpn stuff and openvpn-systemd-resolve and it was working fine, after rebooting it doesn't work anymore
2022-05-08 19:55:32	Edu4rdSHL	I didn't see that in the wiki
2022-05-08 19:56:23	letalis	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ProtonVPN
2022-05-08 19:56:24	phrik	Title: ProtonVPN - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-08 19:56:33	letalis	I did what it says here on setup
2022-05-08 19:56:46	Edu4rdSHL	It doesn't says that you need it
2022-05-08 19:57:11	Edu4rdSHL	>  If you install 
2022-05-08 19:57:20	letalis	Yeah now i see that :D
2022-05-08 19:57:28	Edu4rdSHL	Anyways, it's a DNS problem, but as I dont have experience with NM I dont know
2022-05-08 19:57:34	letalis	I think i also found a couple other websites which suggested going that route
2022-05-08 19:57:42	Edu4rdSHL	networkd + resolved here
2022-05-08 19:57:44	Edu4rdSHL	:p
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2022-05-08 19:58:02	Edu4rdSHL	Which nameserver is NM putting in resolv.conf ?
2022-05-08 19:58:03	jhjacobs81	does /usr/bin/update-systemd-resolved still exist?
2022-05-08 19:58:29	letalis	Edu4rdSHL: nameserver ::1
2022-05-08 19:58:39	drathir_tor	Edu4rdSHL: netctl with pure static resolv.conf still works just fine ^^
2022-05-08 19:58:47	◣	duuuuuude (~user@user/duuude) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-05-08 19:59:00	letalis	jhjacobs81: no
2022-05-08 19:59:18	jhjacobs81	i love netctl :)
2022-05-08 19:59:43	Edu4rdSHL	letalis, that looks weird tbh, it's like that you just have ipv6
2022-05-08 19:59:53	◣	Volgaar (~volgaar@eth-west-pareq2-46-193-0-64.wb.wifirst.net) ha salido (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2022-05-08 20:00:09	Edu4rdSHL	You can put nameserver 8.8.8.8 and inmediatly chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
2022-05-08 20:00:11	jhjacobs81	which he would have if nordvpn worked, i think
2022-05-08 20:00:13	◣	infides (~infides@i6DFA399F.versanet.de) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-05-08 20:00:29	Edu4rdSHL	And then troubleshoot the issue
2022-05-08 20:00:51	Edu4rdSHL	Also, check that systemd-resolved is not running/enabled
2022-05-08 20:01:47	drathir_tor	jhjacobs81: yea and have such nice basic examples which was possible easy adjust to own needs at fresh installs which save time would say just simple tool does its job right... ;D
2022-05-08 20:02:12	◣	djapo (~archangel@user/djapo) ha salido (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2022-05-08 20:02:49	Edu4rdSHL	drathir_tor, well, I'm have almost a full systemd setup here :p, resolved, networkd, boot, homed, oomd, importd, machined.
2022-05-08 20:02:57	Edu4rdSHL	What can I say :p
2022-05-08 20:03:07	letalis	So if i run systemctl status systemd-resolved or dhcpcd after rebooting, they're both not active
2022-05-08 20:04:24	drathir_tor	Edu4rdSHL: gotcha personally try to avoid systemd as much as i only can, but still its good to know works for You...
2022-05-08 20:05:07	Edu4rdSHL	drathir_tor, we are polar opposites :p
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2022-05-08 20:07:52	another|	letalis: did you touch NM settings?
2022-05-08 20:07:57	letalis	No
2022-05-08 20:08:59	letalis	When i do ip address show now i get 1:lo 2:ethernet 3:wifi (with 1 inet and 2 inet6 now) and 4:ipv6leakintrf0
2022-05-08 20:09:04	drathir_tor	Edu4rdSHL: yep however still glad there is possible dodge and limit usage of systemd to bare minimum the choice is always good thing... ^^
2022-05-08 20:09:04	letalis	With 2 inet6
2022-05-08 20:10:21	drathir_tor	letalis: that 4:ipv6leakintrf0 is qite interesting... 
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2022-05-08 20:14:12	letalis	Fixed it! 
2022-05-08 20:15:01	letalis	Apparently protonvpn does this weird thing where it blocks all ipv6 traffic by default to prevent ipv6 leaks
2022-05-08 20:15:21	◥	dubwoc (~dubwoc@104.197.118.228) has joined #archlinux
2022-05-08 20:15:32	letalis	I had to find the connection with nmcli connection show --active
2022-05-08 20:15:54	letalis	And then nmcli connection delete pvpn-ipv6leak-protection
2022-05-08 20:16:12	letalis	But thank you for your help guys :) 
2022-05-08 20:17:29	smlavine	Anyone have any recommendations for a video editor that is as simple and featured, as gthumb is for photo editing?
2022-05-08 20:20:19	◣	letalis (~letalis@user/letalis) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-05-08 20:20:41	Dreamer3	any idea why my glmatrix wouldcrash 90% of the time with sigabort?  if i try from terminal i get: glmatrix: eglCreatePlatformWindowSurface failed: window 0x1eb visual 0x21
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2022-05-09 20:50:01	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1486 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1485 normals)
2022-05-09 14:54:33	phonemic	-rwxr-xr-x 1 phonemic phonemic 2122888104 Apr 21 18:00 Documents/abc.ts
2022-05-09 14:54:58	MacGyver	Are you running mpv *in that same terminal*?
2022-05-09 14:55:24	phonemic	what do you mean? I am running it in a terminal
2022-05-09 14:55:35	Namarrgon	what does 'pwd' return in that terminal?
2022-05-09 14:56:06	MacGyver	I mean in the same terminal where `ls -l Documents/abc.ts` actually gives that output, run `mpv Documents/abc.ts`.
2022-05-09 14:56:36	phonemic	mpv Documents/abc.ts
2022-05-09 14:56:37	phonemic	[file] Cannot open file 'Documents/abc.ts': No such file or directory
2022-05-09 14:56:37	phonemic	Failed to open Documents/abc.ts.
2022-05-09 14:56:45	MacGyver	`which mpv`
2022-05-09 14:57:05	phonemic	"/usr/local/bin/mpv"
2022-05-09 14:57:11	MacGyver	I smell a rat.
2022-05-09 14:57:20	MacGyver	`file mpv`
2022-05-09 14:57:38	MacGyver	That's gonna be a shell script that changes directory, innit.
2022-05-09 14:57:51	MacGyver	Uh, `file /usr/local/bin/mpv`
2022-05-09 14:58:13	phonemic	The only thing that changed recently is I was playing around with passwordless sudo
2022-05-09 14:58:32	ponies	did you cd out of your home directory phonemic 
2022-05-09 14:58:33	phonemic	No idea why that would have any impact
2022-05-09 14:58:40	Namarrgon	what is /usr/local/bin/mpv?
2022-05-09 14:58:53	SysGhost	homebrew version I'd guess.
2022-05-09 14:59:08	ponies	yeah mpv is in community so, he's using something from the aur
2022-05-09 14:59:22	MacGyver	The aur doesn't install to /usr/local/bin.
2022-05-09 14:59:23	phonemic	vlc has the same issue
2022-05-09 14:59:24	ponies	or, something.. 
2022-05-09 14:59:27	phonemic	Not mpv
2022-05-09 14:59:32	MacGyver	My money's on a shell script.
2022-05-09 14:59:45	MacGyver	phonemic: `file /usr/local/bin/mpv`
2022-05-09 15:00:16	phonemic	Boom, forgot about firejail
2022-05-09 15:00:25	damjan	😢
2022-05-09 15:00:26	SysGhost	 /usr/local/bin/ is supposed to be a place where a user can place system-wide executables not managed by the system otherwise.
2022-05-09 15:00:47	phonemic	I ran firecfg, and totally forgot
2022-05-09 15:01:18	MacGyver	Guess I just lost my money.
2022-05-09 15:01:28	damjan	MacGyver: close enough
2022-05-09 15:01:35	another|	I ran into many such issues with firejail
2022-05-09 15:01:49	another|	had to just disable it for some tools
2022-05-09 15:02:41	another|	it's still annoying when chromium can't open local files
2022-05-09 15:04:34	phonemic	Yeah I'm turning firejail off. Had something else last week, where I wasted too much time getting the profile right.
2022-05-09 15:05:08	phonemic	Surprising the default profile doesn't allow access to the users home directory
2022-05-09 15:05:12	phonemic	for vlc and mpv
2022-05-09 15:05:28	Dreamer3	any idea what i should do to get xfce4-terminal workable inside AwesomeWM? it dosen't seem to have the right HiDPI settings
2022-05-09 15:05:43	SysGhost	in a way intended. It is the user files that usually needs protection in the end. System-files can always be reinstalled/reconstructed.
2022-05-09 15:06:33	SysGhost	Dreamer3: imho, combinations like that + HiDPI is a gamble. There's no easy way to get it fully right afaik.
2022-05-09 15:07:02	Dreamer3	well what is it missing, does xome XFCE daemon need to be running or?
2022-05-09 15:07:05	phonemic	SysGhost: makes sense. i think it's overkill for my needs.
2022-05-09 15:18:44	ponies	yeah for this reason i run 1080p. but also i can still game in ultra settings in 2022 
2022-05-09 15:24:11	sorta	how can i get a good looking dark mode on virtualbox? adwaita-dark doesn't work because the menus look ugly
2022-05-09 15:24:21	sorta	breeze seems to be light mode only
2022-05-09 15:24:39	grawity	virtualbox is qt5-based, I'm pretty sure breeze had a dark mode somewhere but no idea how to enable it outside kde
2022-05-09 15:24:45	grawity	maybe qt5ct has something useful
2022-05-09 15:25:31	mingdao	HiDPI works well for me https://0x0.st/ommm.txt
2022-05-09 15:25:32	sorta	i used QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE env var to set breeze , i tried breeze-dark and breeze:dark too to no avail
2022-05-09 15:25:38	sorta	ok i will look into qt5ct
2022-05-09 15:26:31	grawity	reddit says "Breeze-Dark" is the name
2022-05-09 15:27:53	sorta	nope doesn't work still opens up in breeze light mode only
2022-05-09 15:28:06	sorta	QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=Breeze-Dark virtualbox 
2022-05-09 15:28:07	grawity	set the color scheme via qt5ct then, I see there's a setting
2022-05-09 15:28:24	grawity	you'll need QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct
2022-05-09 15:28:28	sorta	how do i temporarily unset QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE ?
2022-05-09 15:28:45	susi	QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE= or unset?
2022-05-09 15:28:50	grawity	you mean like "A=b somecommand" but for unsetting?
2022-05-09 15:28:59	grawity	try (unset QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE; somecommand)
2022-05-09 15:29:01	grawity	with the (parens)
2022-05-09 15:29:16	grawity	or you know just unset it normally, you can always set it again
2022-05-09 15:38:25	jonathon	are there any tips on building DKMS modules against gcc 11 while on testing with gcc 12? I've tried `IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 dkms install ...`, and `CC=gcc-11 dkms instal ...` but it seems like DKMS is stripping these variables (or just ignoring them?)
2022-05-09 15:50:59	jonathon	meh, `pacman -S core/gcc` will do as a workaround i guess
2022-05-09 15:56:38	pagios	 hi, i have a complex riddle to solve :),       trying to connect from linux1 to linux2 on port 8080 fails.    linux1 runs nc -nlvp 8080 and linux2 runs nc -nv linux 8080, (connection refused) any other ports work fine for example 8085.  I checked ufw is disabled. iptables -s flushed, both machines are on the same subnet what can i check more ?
2022-05-09 15:57:40	NetSysFire	do tcpdump and see if any traffic even arrives on that port
2022-05-09 15:57:49	NetSysFire	if not, the problem is likely in between of the two machines
2022-05-09 16:06:13	mkoskar	pagios: maybe nftables, check $ nft list ruleset
2022-05-09 16:08:08	sh1r4s3	pagios: as i understand "connection refused" means that the port is not filtering (because in the case of any fw the machine simply wouldn't reply), but it means that there is nothing listening on that port. But i'm not sure...
2022-05-09 16:11:53	mkoskar	sh1r4s3: not necessarily, firewall can drop (results in connection timeout) or reject (results in connection refused)
2022-05-09 16:24:34	LordRishav	Hello there
2022-05-09 16:25:48	Edu4rdSHL	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up
2022-05-09 16:28:45	LordRishav	Why is community/languagetool a repackaging of the developer provided binaries and not built from its release tarballs? It's open source! :)
2022-05-09 16:31:12	demonicmaniac1	are you serious or joking?
2022-05-09 16:31:59	LordRishav	demonicmaniac1: Why
2022-05-09 16:32:19	demonicmaniac1	because it's all just java .jar files
2022-05-09 16:32:26	demonicmaniac1	there is no "source" or "binary"
2022-05-09 16:32:45	Khorne	demonicmaniac1, yea but it's on github so it must be source right ;x
2022-05-09 16:33:12	damjan	wait, are there no .java files?
2022-05-09 16:33:26	damjan	this seems full of .java files https://github.com/languagetool-org/languagetool/tree/master/languagetool-core/src/main/java/org/languagetool
2022-05-09 16:34:50	demonicmaniac1	ok then just unzip all .jar to get the "source" :P
2022-05-09 16:36:44	sorta	grawity: even in qt5ct i cant find a dark mode option for breeze, and using QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct virtualbox still opens in light mode
2022-05-09 16:37:48	sorta	ok now i reran all the commands and it suddenly works but the dark mode here is actually worse than adwaita dark :( 
2022-05-09 16:38:01	sorta	i think ill just stick with light mode adwaita in my $PATH
2022-05-09 16:39:03	LordRishav	demonicmaniac1: Not true, there are not *just* jar files in the package but also Java byte-compiled .class files
2022-05-09 16:40:17	Edu4rdSHL	cc arojas 
2022-05-09 16:40:41	Edu4rdSHL	Seeing the package contributors, they pretty sure have a reason to do it.
2022-05-09 16:41:04	Edu4rdSHL	jelle ^
2022-05-09 16:41:27	jelle	enocontext?
2022-05-09 16:42:29	damjan	demonicmaniac: I'm not sure which .jar files are you talking about. https://github.com/languagetool-org/languagetool is all source .java files
2022-05-09 16:43:19	sorta	may -Fl live forever. i installed routersploit and i just couldn't find how to launch it lol
2022-05-09 16:43:21	Edu4rdSHL	jelle, LordRisha+| Why is community/languagetool a repackaging of the developer provided binaries and not built from its release tarballs?
2022-05-09 16:43:26	jelle	Edu4rdSHL: I don't maintain that
2022-05-09 16:43:43	Edu4rdSHL	damjan, if you check the PKGBUILD it download the binaries
2022-05-09 16:43:54	Edu4rdSHL	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/blob/eb6bc4fe25487b8d32c3f11cd20de8ed5842c510/trunk/PKGBUILD#L17
2022-05-09 16:44:17	LordRishav	damjan: Yeah because that's the source tree, not the binary the PKGBUILD downloads
2022-05-09 16:47:53	jelle	LordRishav: write a patch!
2022-05-09 16:48:20	damjan	LordRishav: right. I was just confirming that your concern is valid, since *there are* sources
2022-05-09 16:48:32	jelle	seems one can use maven to compile it *joy*
2022-05-09 16:50:41	sorta	does anyone here have a script which does this - "script string" opens in mpv if string is a video,in imv/other image viewer if image, in nvim/text editor if text and if its a url in $BROWSER - without downloading the target fully, or any idea how i could write a script that does this?
2022-05-09 16:50:42	LordRishav	jelle: I should, it would make me an ArchLinux contributor™ so it's worth setting up maven for :P
2022-05-09 16:50:50	jelle	hehe
2022-05-09 16:51:29	susi	sorta: xdg-open
2022-05-09 16:52:29	susi	and and ~/.config/mimeapps.list
2022-05-09 16:52:33	vitali64	contribute™
2022-05-09 16:53:02	susi	sorta: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_MIME_Applications
2022-05-09 16:53:03	phrik	Title: XDG MIME Applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-09 16:53:10	sorta	ok i should have specified that string is always a url
2022-05-09 16:53:17	demonicmaniac1	mimeo is a bit nicer wrapping xdg-open
2022-05-09 16:53:21	LordRishav	susi: Or rather xdg-mime query filetype
2022-05-09 16:53:31	demonicmaniac1	there's also stuff like rofi
2022-05-09 16:53:43	sorta	string is always a url, if it ends in .mp4 it should open in mpv
2022-05-09 16:53:45	sorta	stuff like this
2022-05-09 16:54:06	sorta	discord always opens its images in firefox which i don't want, i want them to open in imv. this is my main aim
2022-05-09 16:54:28	demonicmaniac1	discord uses xdg-open
2022-05-09 16:54:39	demonicmaniac1	firefox is set to handle images apparently?
2022-05-09 16:54:59	susi	firefox stuff can be configured via handlers.json
2022-05-09 16:55:05	vukonen	Can probably extract the extension and handle in each case in a shell script if you want something simple
2022-05-09 16:55:07	LordRishav	demonicmaniac1: Doesn't matter really, imv can't handle URLs as far as I know
2022-05-09 16:55:40	LordRishav	Network change, brb
2022-05-09 16:55:42	_ponies	Also urls don't always end in file extentions 
2022-05-09 16:55:53	sorta	yeah so it does "xdg-open https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/940588039837720626/973229390571905124/IMG20220414171944.jpg" but this opens in firefox, i want it to open in imv. so i want it to go "imv https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/940588039837720626/973229390571905124/IMG20220414171944.jpg"
2022-05-09 16:55:59	LordRishav	_ponies: also that
2022-05-09 16:55:59	demonicmaniac1	that's why you have mimetypes also for urls and contents
2022-05-09 16:56:04	demonicmaniac1	xdg-open doesn't match on file ending
2022-05-09 16:56:16	demonicmaniac1	it matches on mimetype
2022-05-09 16:56:22	sorta	i can find mime type of stuff in a url ?
2022-05-09 16:56:33	demonicmaniac1	server should send the mimetype
2022-05-09 16:57:02	sorta	how can i find that? is there some curl commadn that does htis?
2022-05-09 16:57:02	susi	jq . .mozilla/firefox/$profile/handlers.json
2022-05-09 17:02:44	demonicmaniac1	sorta: the cdn discordapp links are content type image/jpeg
2022-05-09 17:03:00	demonicmaniac1	firefox/chrome developer tools let you see the mime type
2022-05-09 17:03:34	sorta	but i cant script that, so can curl find out the mime type in any way?
2022-05-09 17:03:57	sorta	or any other cli tool really, so then i can use that to script it to use imv or feh(somehow imv URL doesn't work on my end)
2022-05-09 17:06:18	Edu4rdSHL	sorta, why you don't just instruct curl to download the file and then open it directly?
2022-05-09 17:06:23	sorta	curl -I, thank the stackoverflow gods!
2022-05-09 17:06:27	ponies	wasnt the solution already give, more than once? 
2022-05-09 17:06:34	ponies	given
2022-05-09 17:08:08	LordRishav_	sorta: I have a very complex shell script that opens whatever image/* URL you have in your clipboard, as the last entry, gets displayed as an image in imv!
2022-05-09 17:08:11	demonicmaniac1	sorta: i guess you should look at mimeo if you want more control than just mimetype if it's urls
2022-05-09 17:08:47	demonicmaniac1	mimeo is an xdg-open wrapper that first goes through a regex match list and if that doesn't provide anything sends it on to xdg-open proper for its mimetype matching
2022-05-09 17:09:04	demonicmaniac1	so you can match e.g any url containining youtu.be to open with mpv
2022-05-09 17:09:08	Edu4rdSHL	filename=$(basename "$(curl -sSfw '%{redirect_url}' "$LINK")") && curl -sSfLo "filename" "$LINK" && xdg-open "$filename"
2022-05-09 17:09:36	sorta	https://0x0.st/oma-.sh
2022-05-09 17:09:40	sorta	this should work i think
2022-05-09 17:09:59	sorta	imv URL doesn't work for me LordRishav_ please share your script so i can see where i am going wrong
2022-05-09 17:10:13	demonicmaniac1	imv doesn't handle urls as he said
2022-05-09 17:10:23	demonicmaniac1	he downloads the image via curl and then calls imv on it
2022-05-09 17:10:29	ponies	feh ftw 
2022-05-09 17:10:29	demonicmaniac1	feh and others can actually open urls
2022-05-09 17:11:04	sorta	ah i see, so i will just use feh
2022-05-09 17:11:31	demonicmaniac1	again though look at mimeo and xdg-utils-mimeo
2022-05-09 17:11:36	demonicmaniac1	that is a nice full solution
2022-05-09 17:11:58	LordRishav_	sorta: Why do you use imv though, do you use Wayland?
2022-05-09 17:13:41	sorta	that script makes no sense because i stole it from my lfrc lol
2022-05-09 17:13:49	sorta	https://0x0.st/oma8.sh is the one that seems to work at least with the img i sent
2022-05-09 17:13:53	sorta	LordRishav_: yes i use sway :)
2022-05-09 17:14:03	sorta	demonicmaniac1: i personally use mimeopen
2022-05-09 17:14:37	LordRishav_	Ok you can have the script, but beware it's a complex beast so handle it carefully
2022-05-09 17:14:40	LordRishav_	curl $(wl-paste) | imv -
2022-05-09 17:15:00	LordRishav_	There you go
2022-05-09 17:15:33	sorta	wow this is like magic, it actually works with text files too. so how do i make discord use this instead of xdg-open? create a xdg-open executable in my ~/.local/bin ?
2022-05-09 17:15:46	sorta	LordRishav_: mind blown 🤯
2022-05-09 17:16:06	LordRishav_	:)
2022-05-09 17:23:40	sorta	this works perfectly :D i just added in a -L to the curl command
2022-05-09 17:23:56	sorta	this is totally going to my /bin in github :DD
2022-05-09 17:27:35	ponies	feh --action [flag][[title]]action makes it my favourite image viewer 
2022-05-09 17:28:16	sorta	the only sort of disappointment is i have to use xwayland for image viewing :)
2022-05-09 17:28:42	sorta	unless i wget'd it into /tmp and then piped into imv and then rm'd the file :O
2022-05-09 17:28:43	ponies	why should wayland not be backwards compatible ? 
2022-05-09 17:28:56	sorta	*buuuuuuuuut* im lazy and this just works so meh ill stick with it.
2022-05-09 17:29:16	sorta	ponies: "pure" wayland'ism :D
2022-05-09 17:29:47	sorta	(ah the irony of using discord and then complaining about feh running in xwayland...)
2022-05-09 17:33:10	LordRishav_	sorta: Doesn't Discord work with Wayland through ozone flags though
2022-05-09 17:34:24	sorta	LordRishav_: no its broken, it instantly crashes. someone even linked the relevant chromium bug here
2022-05-09 17:34:42	sorta	chromium works with ozone flags i think but idk i just use firefox 
2022-05-09 17:35:09	mizu	hi! i've been trying to install tflite_runtime on my raspberry pi running alarm, and unfortunately the wheels are not available yet for python3.10
2022-05-09 17:35:12	mizu	i looked into the python37 package from the aur, but armv7 is not a supported architecture :(
2022-05-09 17:35:15	mizu	installing tflite_runtime using pip (in a virtualenv) throws this error: "No matching distribution found for tflite-runtime"
2022-05-09 17:35:32	ponies	!alarm
2022-05-09 17:35:32	phrik	If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
2022-05-09 17:54:09	duuuuuude	pspacek: ask jwz.org
2022-05-09 17:54:25	duuuuuude	oops, didn't scroll
2022-05-09 18:00:02	Dreamer3	how can i alter the source quickly before building with makepkg? it just reverts my chanes
2022-05-09 18:03:13	ponies	well, makepkg only requires a PKGBULID so, this is not the way to do it 
2022-05-09 18:03:22	ponies	basically build it yourself
2022-05-09 18:03:33	Dreamer3	i just want to test a quick patch, makepkg -ei seems to work
2022-05-09 18:03:42	Dreamer3	e tells it to use the source as -is
2022-05-09 18:04:00	Dreamer3	(which you can fetch with -o)
2022-05-09 18:04:19	yasar11732	I set up my mutt to read mail from gmail. It is downloading metadata for all 52600 mails each time it is opened, which is very slow
2022-05-09 18:04:24	yasar11732	Can I make it not do that?
2022-05-09 18:06:48	ponies	mutt will cache the 52K emails in your inbox, like it ought to do 
2022-05-09 18:07:18	ponies	first time is very slow, its quite the quick next time
2022-05-09 18:08:21	ponies	if you want it faster use header_cache and not message_cache, which caches the body of the emails as well 
2022-05-09 18:09:40	yasar11732	ponies, I was looking at sample configs online. It turns out I should have manually setup caching :)
2022-05-09 18:10:14	ponies	also use neomutt if youre not using that already 
2022-05-09 18:10:57	yasar11732	I am using mutt package, is it different package?
2022-05-09 18:11:21	ponies	community/neomutt 
2022-05-09 18:11:56	ponies	its dropin compatible and is more sane out of the box
2022-05-09 18:14:08	yasar11732	Can I use same .muttrc with it?
2022-05-09 18:14:11	ponies	yes 
2022-05-09 18:21:22	yasar11732	ponies, this is my .muttrc file that I compiled from different sources, how does it look? https://pastebin.com/KKPRbzu7
2022-05-09 18:21:22	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/omag.txt
2022-05-09 18:21:23	phrik	Title: # .muttrc# ================ IMAP ====================set imap_user = 'yasar - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-05-09 18:23:32	ponies	looks fine, but like i said, if speed is a problem, dont set message_cachedir. but it may not matter
2022-05-09 18:24:27	ponies	man maybe consider some quality of life binding such as: 
2022-05-09 18:25:25	ponies	macro index gs "<change-folder>=sent<enter>" "Go to /Sent"
2022-05-09 18:25:56	ponies	and set the mailcap 
2022-05-09 18:26:03	ponies	basically after that you're done 
2022-05-09 18:37:57	yasar11732	I am loving this mailcap thing
2022-05-09 18:38:54	ponies	sure
2022-05-09 18:56:42	Betal	how I find what package wants this in pacman -Syu. 'There are 3 providers available for nodejs<18.1.0'
2022-05-09 18:59:23	ponies	eh? 
2022-05-09 18:59:55	Scimmia	Betal: --debug is the only way I know of
2022-05-09 19:00:06	gehidore	wants to know what package wants nodejs 
2022-05-09 19:05:24	Betal	Scimmia: thanks, debug: checkdeps: missing dependency 'nodejs<18.1.0' for package 'bash-language-server'
2022-05-09 19:48:54	Dreamer3	any idea the best way to get back Meta-{ and Meta-} in Chrome for switching tabs?
2022-05-09 20:00:04	susi	Dreamer3: Chrome has good UI dialogs for setting shortcuts
2022-05-09 20:03:24	susi	probably chrome://extensions/shortcuts
2022-05-09 20:04:38	Patrick14159	!paste
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2022-05-09 20:05:11	Patrick14159	!ix
2022-05-09 20:05:11	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-05-09 20:06:11	susi	"foo |& curl -F'file=@-' 0x0.st" is easier to remember, and it's HTTPS :>
2022-05-09 20:07:04	artefact	i just pipe into xclip (i know, barbaric)
2022-05-09 20:08:00	Patrick14159	yes, i dont understand these commands. so i better skip that
2022-05-09 20:08:48	sorta	i have a wayland friendly script :)
2022-05-09 20:08:50	yasar11732	if I stop iwd I don't see wireless options in gnome, but if I enable it gnome tries to connect to wifi by itself, which fails because it is already setup by iwd
2022-05-09 20:09:02	sorta	doesn't gnome use networkmanager?
2022-05-09 20:09:27	yasar11732	but if I disable iwd, I don't see wireless in settings
2022-05-09 20:10:07	sorta	how on earth are you using gnome without networkmanager, and why?
2022-05-09 20:10:08	grawity	sorta: it does, but NM itself requires an external wifi backend – which is either wpa_supplicant or iwd
2022-05-09 20:10:18	sorta	ohhh i see
2022-05-09 20:11:01	sorta	even that should be called by default iirc?
2022-05-09 20:12:05	sorta	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NetworkManager#Using_iwd_as_the_Wi-Fi_backend i see, grawity til
2022-05-09 20:12:06	phrik	Title: NetworkManager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-09 20:12:10	yasar11732_	ok, when I disable iwd, it also deletes wlan0 :)
2022-05-09 20:12:22	sorta	youre not supposed to manually tinker with iwd according to the link
2022-05-09 20:12:35	susi	Patrick14159: |& pipes both standard out and error, and you can check -F/--form in `man curl`
2022-05-09 20:13:43	sorta	btw if you guys remember i had posted about windows vm not working in qemu. i got impatient and went with vbox, and the stuff *just works*, its like magic. 
2022-05-09 20:14:00	susi	so you just gave up :(
2022-05-09 20:14:02	sorta	the spice drivers weren't installing 
2022-05-09 20:14:14	sorta	yeah it was a waste of time
2022-05-09 20:15:49	gehidore	works here just fine still
2022-05-09 20:15:51	susi	it's rarely just waste of time, good opportunity to learn something trying to fix things up
2022-05-09 20:16:06	sorta	i asked in 4 different channels and no one replied 
2022-05-09 20:16:19	susi	iirc you got lots of support in here
2022-05-09 20:16:25	sorta	with windows vm?
2022-05-09 20:16:44	susi	well, you know better than I did you get help or not :)
2022-05-09 20:16:56	gehidore	there were replies they just didn't solve the problem in a timely manner
2022-05-09 20:17:09	sorta	i dont think so, nothing really worked even if i might have gotten some tips here. the res was off and performance ws horrible
2022-05-09 20:17:50	sorta	maybe ill come back to it later, for now ill jsut stick with vbox until i have more free time :)
2022-05-09 20:18:51	yasar11732	Turns out I had to reboot after stopping and disabling iwd for NetworkManager to work
2022-05-09 20:33:22	madprops	had some bumps during this upgrade. first I needed to install archlinux-keyring or upgrade failed. The I had to remove libkipi or yay wouldn't upgrade aur packages. Apparently libkipi is a dead dependency of gwenview
2022-05-09 20:44:23	Patrick14159	susi: thanks
2022-05-09 20:46:50	yasar11732_	gnome-shell-extension-dash-to-dock from aur, but I am getting this._monitor undefined error in extensions manager, anybody having the same problem?
2022-05-09 20:50:01	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-05-09 20:51:17	susi	yasar11732_: someone having similar error tells it was a locale issue for they
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2022-05-09 20:52:02	susi	yasar11732_: https://github.com/micheleg/dash-to-dock/issues/1687
2022-05-09 20:52:08	yasar11732_	I am Turkish, it is generally locale issue :D
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2022-05-09 20:53:45	yasar11732_	couple of hours ago I was having another problem, fixed it by calling the program with LC_ALL=C
2022-05-09 20:53:53	susi	someone has solved similar issue with setting LC_CTYPE to en_US.UTF-8
2022-05-09 20:54:17	susi	(LC_CTYPE=C would do too, probably)
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2022-05-09 20:55:26	yasar11732_	How do I call gnome-extension with LC_ALL though
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2022-05-09 20:55:42	teraflops	try to fix the issue instead 
2022-05-09 20:55:58	teraflops	what's your locale right now?
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2022-05-09 20:56:15	teraflops	localectl list-locales
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2022-05-09 20:56:53	yasar11732_	!paste
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2022-05-09 20:57:10	yasar11732_	en_US.UTF-8
2022-05-09 20:57:10	yasar11732_	tr_TR.UTF-8
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2022-05-09 20:58:32	teraflops	also what's your locale in gnome settings?
2022-05-09 20:59:40	yasar11732_	This is the output of locale command: http://ix.io/3Xoq
2022-05-09 21:00:07	yasar11732_	In gnome settings it is Turkish
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2022-05-09 21:01:14	teraflops	yasar11732_: where did you set LC_CTYPE?
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2022-05-09 21:02:10	yasar11732_	I only have LANG=tr_TR.UTF8 in /etc/locale.conf
2022-05-09 21:02:24	yasar11732_	I think other stuff was derived from it
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2022-05-09 21:02:46	teraflops	I do not have that var set in 2 machines I just took a look
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2022-05-09 21:03:34	teraflops	and i gnome setting? there's a language setting
2022-05-09 21:03:52	yasar11732_	I don't remember explicitly setting it, maybe gnome did it for me
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2022-05-09 21:04:25	teraflops	hmm
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2022-05-09 21:05:14	yasar11732_	shell I try to add that to my locale.conf?
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2022-05-09 21:05:19	yasar11732_	*shall I
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2022-05-09 21:06:03	teraflops	yasar11732_: what happens if you run from a terminal: unset LC_CTYPE; gnome-extension
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2022-05-09 21:07:06	teraflops	unset LC_CTYPE; gnome-extensions-app
2022-05-09 21:07:11	teraflops	that one
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2022-05-09 21:08:25	yasar11732_	nothing changed
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2022-05-09 21:10:14	teraflops	I wonder why I do not have that var set in 2 machines
2022-05-09 21:10:49	yasar11732_	do you have turkish locale generated?
2022-05-09 21:11:36	teraflops	nope, but I do have eng us and spanish ones
2022-05-09 21:12:00	susi	yasar11732_: what if you run LC_CTYPE=c gnome-extensions-app
2022-05-09 21:12:03	susi	=C *
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2022-05-09 21:12:37	yasar11732_	nothing changes
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2022-05-09 21:14:34	yasar11732_	it is apperantly fixed in git but wasn't merged in master repo
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2022-05-09 21:16:24	yasar11732_	Any aur wizard how to apply a patch before generating package?
2022-05-09 21:16:29	yasar11732_	https://github.com/micheleg/dash-to-dock/commit/a6447f246ad10075dd8f054b4625bff6009acd02
2022-05-09 21:16:42	yasar11732_	*know how to*
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2022-05-09 21:18:50	teraflops	yasar11732_: in prepare function
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2022-05-09 21:19:19	teraflops	yasar11732: example: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Patching_packages#Applying_patches
2022-05-09 21:19:20	phrik	Title: Patching packages - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-09 21:19:53	Dreamer3	what font package do i want to get basic chinese/japanese looking fonts to appear in my Chrome?
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2022-05-09 21:20:26	teraflops	!alltheunicodes
2022-05-09 21:20:26	phrik	adobe-source-* otf-fira-{mono,sans} ttf-{dejavu,droid,indic-otf,liberation,symbola} otf-ipafont noto-fonts (more or less.)
2022-05-09 21:21:44	Dreamer3	will pacman expand that? :)
2022-05-09 21:21:51	teraflops	I think so
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2022-05-09 21:22:41	Dreamer3	perhaps there is a unicode package group
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2022-05-09 21:23:00	teraflops	idk
2022-05-09 21:23:21	teraflops	I dont think so actually
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2022-05-09 21:29:52	susi	is there really just 14 package groups?
2022-05-09 21:30:50	Dreamer3	is there a way to tell pacman i want optional deps?
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2022-05-09 21:32:35	teraflops	nope
2022-05-09 21:32:50	teraflops	install the packages manually
2022-05-09 21:32:55	Dreamer3	wow
2022-05-09 21:32:59	susi	(and remember --asdeps)
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2022-05-09 21:34:04	teraflops	Dreamer3: pacman -Si to see the optional deps, then install the ones you want
2022-05-09 21:34:17	BrainDamage	it's kinda annoying that you have to dig through the logs to see for new optional deps
2022-05-09 21:34:31	BrainDamage	sometimes I miss them
2022-05-09 21:37:39	yasar11732_	in which directory does prepare() run? I am getting not found error for "cd $pkgname-$pkgver"
2022-05-09 21:40:03	Namarrgon	it starts in $srcdir
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2022-05-09 21:40:36	Namarrgon	what is the exact error and what is the command that caused it?
2022-05-09 21:41:12	Dreamer3	what does anyone reocmmend for screenshots? something that will remind me of Mac would be nice :)
2022-05-09 21:41:18	Dreamer3	(even if i have to script a few keystrokes)
2022-05-09 21:41:44	yasar11732_	I figured it out, the PKGBUILD I downloaded doesn't use $pkgname-$pkgversion convention
2022-05-09 21:41:56	yasar11732_	it just clones git repo
2022-05-09 21:42:41	yasar11732_	I am new to this stuff, just trying to figure out how to make it apply my patch :)
2022-05-09 21:42:47	teraflops	Dreamer3: it's easy using expac, eg: pacman -S $(expac -S '%o\n' chromium)
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2022-05-09 21:44:31	Warepire	Dreamer3: My favorite is import from imagemagick, because I can autocomplete the window I want to take a screenshot of
2022-05-09 21:44:31	ℹ 	puke es conocido ahora como Guest6277
2022-05-09 21:44:32	ℹ 	piuk es conocido ahora como puke
2022-05-09 21:44:36	teraflops	Dreamer3: wayland or xorg?
2022-05-09 21:45:57	Namarrgon	yasar11732_: that doesn't matter, cd into the sources and either use "patch" or "git apply"
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2022-05-09 21:46:14	teraflops	Dreamer3: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Screen_capture#Screenshot_software (I do like maim)
2022-05-09 21:46:15	phrik	Title: Screen capture - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-09 21:46:57	Dreamer3	xorg :)
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2022-05-09 21:47:00	Dreamer3	i'm trying maim
2022-05-09 21:47:07	Dreamer3	it says it can't detect my compistor though
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2022-05-09 21:48:43	teraflops	which one is it?
2022-05-09 21:48:45	Dreamer3	oh actualy it seesm to kill picom, that's no good
2022-05-09 21:48:51	teraflops	what DE/WM
2022-05-09 21:48:57	Dreamer3	awesome
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2022-05-09 21:50:32	teraflops	hmm no idea about picom
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2022-05-09 21:52:01	Dreamer3	 FATAL ERROR ] We seems to have run of XIDs. weird
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2022-05-09 21:55:07	Dreamer3	hmmm seems pretty aweful
2022-05-09 21:55:24	Dreamer3	i remember what i had working long ago had a cool blue fade effect, i'm getting just grey rects and it feels very slow
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2022-05-09 21:57:58	Dreamer3	picom with --experimental-backends fixes the crashing, found a web article that says the old backends don't like huge screens
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2022-05-09 21:58:51	teraflops	maim works fine in a 34' screen here, but I run gnome
2022-05-09 21:58:57	gehidore	34' impressive
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2022-05-09 21:59:31	Warepire	teraflops: 34 ... feet?
2022-05-09 21:59:46	iTrooz_	Hello ! I would like to create an AUR package which pulls the binary from the latest github release. pkgver would be determined using the tag of that latest release, so I don't have to edit the PKGBUILD every time a new release is out.
2022-05-09 21:59:47	iTrooz_	Do you think this is a good idea/what package suffix should I use for this ?
2022-05-09 21:59:49	iTrooz_	I've seen https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=239842 but I'm still not sure
2022-05-09 21:59:49	phrik	Title: Made a Git package which always pulls and builds latest tag. / Creating & Modifying Packages / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-05-09 21:59:58	teraflops	34 inch :)
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2022-05-09 22:00:02	gehidore	shame
2022-05-09 22:00:11	gehidore	ruined my mental image of your computer room
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2022-05-09 22:00:31	iTrooz_	Oh sorry, I didn't scroll to the end, I didn't realised there was a conversation here, I'll ask again later
2022-05-09 22:00:32	teraflops	haha
2022-05-09 22:00:47	teraflops	iTrooz_: nah sorry
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2022-05-09 22:01:44	teraflops	isnt ' inches? (I wonder)
2022-05-09 22:01:51	gehidore	" is inches
2022-05-09 22:01:56	teraflops	ah I see
2022-05-09 22:01:57	gehidore	' is feet
2022-05-09 22:01:59	teraflops	lol
2022-05-09 22:02:10	teraflops	TIL
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2022-05-09 22:06:35	yasar11732_	I fixed the locale issue, now I am getting "incompatible with current GNOME :D"
2022-05-09 22:06:46	teraflops	oh ;(
2022-05-09 22:07:13	teraflops	that happens every major version release with lot of extensions sadly
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2022-05-09 22:10:12	yasar11732_	I found another PKGBUILD from aur which uses a fixed commit, I think it can work
2022-05-09 22:10:13	Edu4rdSHL	yasar11732_, fix the root cause: remove that bad thing
2022-05-09 22:10:16	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-05-09 22:11:36	teraflops	heh
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2022-05-10 17:49:38	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-05-10 17:49:38	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1509 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1508 normals)
2022-05-10 15:50:42	Ghosthree3	housemate: my isp doesnt support ipv6 and i dont 'disable' it in the system, it simply wont work, who cares
2022-05-10 15:58:53	cyphertite	Ghosthree3:  right on^ (for most), but not sure we have an attentive (or appreciative) listener here ;p
2022-05-10 15:59:54	Ghosthree3	well he does seem to have been scamazed
2022-05-10 16:04:37	cyphertite	Ghosthree3:  do not all scams begin with the same fundamental premise?  'I asked a friend of mine who is great at computer operation... and he told me this;' ;p
2022-05-10 16:05:01	jelle	cyphertite: Ghosthree3 I would love to see you not talk shit about someone here
2022-05-10 16:05:16	Ghosthree3	what
2022-05-10 16:09:28	jelle	Ghosthree3: "well he does seem to have been scamazed"
2022-05-10 16:09:58	Ghosthree3	not talking shit about anyone, not sure why you're interpretting it that way
2022-05-10 16:11:09	jelle	Ghosthree3: I read that as you implying they have been scammed no?
2022-05-10 16:12:17	Ghosthree3	yea but thats not an insult, and it was in response to the comment about him not listening
2022-05-10 16:12:52	Ghosthree3	not trying to create drama in a distro support channel lol
2022-05-10 16:16:46	WhyNotHugo	Anyone else seeing bad rendering with chinese number 1 since the last noto-fonts update? https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/74695
2022-05-10 16:16:47	phrik	Title: FS#74695 : [noto-fonts] Chinese number one renders wrong since 20220502-1 (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-05-10 16:20:34	mingdao	h4rd3n3d: The RHEL boot medium allowed me to add linuxefi, and I assumed it booted UEFI.  I did GPT partitioning, and as you can see, made 4 parts with boot either EF00.  However, RHEL added some SHIM or whatever it's called that shows the and those sda{5,6,7} partitions, sda5 being the BIOS boot.  I didn't even look at fdisk and lsblk after rebooting.
2022-05-10 16:21:16	mingdao	s/with boot either EF00/with boot as EF00
2022-05-10 16:30:21	cyphertite	mingdao:  what do you mean by 'as you can see'?  On my current multi-booting-OS NVMe drive, I have exactly one, 100 MiB ef00 partition.  You do mot require more...
2022-05-10 16:31:08	cyphertite	mot/*not
2022-05-10 16:36:30	DeepDayze	100MB EFI is generally created by Windows..but I find that size is usable
2022-05-10 16:36:56	sorta	my efi partition is 512M
2022-05-10 16:37:06	DeepDayze	that's good
2022-05-10 16:37:19	DeepDayze	Bummer its not easy to resize the ESP
2022-05-10 16:38:41	DeepDayze	As I am afraid to break my Windoze install as well..
2022-05-10 16:39:58	Ghosthree3	usually i create the esp manually with the windows installer to get a bigger one (i always install windows first on dual systems)
2022-05-10 16:41:00	DeepDayze	by default Windows creates 100MB, unless you do some diskpart magic
2022-05-10 16:41:39	Ghosthree3	yes, you can open cmd.exe and do it with diskpart or w.e their tool is, then their installer picks up on it and uses it
2022-05-10 16:42:16	Ghosthree3	100M pretty small to share :(
2022-05-10 16:44:40	DeepDayze	I tell grub to install to /boot and place only its shim file into /boot/EFI...
2022-05-10 16:45:46	Ghosthree3	hm, ive never tried a separate EFI partition tbh
2022-05-10 16:45:51	DeepDayze	my EFI is only 33% used even with win, debian and arch multiboot
2022-05-10 16:45:54	Ghosthree3	i think systemd-boot doesnt support it?
2022-05-10 16:46:25	DeepDayze	not sure as haven't played with systemd-boot
2022-05-10 16:47:35	DeepDayze	Some say that the 100MB EFI is usually sufficient unless you do esoteric boot setups
2022-05-10 16:47:56	sorta	DeepDayze: my efi is on /boot not /boot/efi . i think sb can however be modded to use an alt esp
2022-05-10 16:48:04	Ghosthree3	ill have to try the split /boot and efi one day, ive only ever used /boot and /
2022-05-10 16:48:33	DeepDayze	my /boot is under /...and have no issue yet
2022-05-10 16:48:55	Ghosthree3	ya i just wanna use systemd-boot though
2022-05-10 16:49:07	sorta	DeepDayze: https://0x0.st/om1N.png
2022-05-10 16:49:14	sorta	see alt paths are indeed supported
2022-05-10 16:49:32	ken123	I'm using systemd boot, no issues, works good, I think it's the preferred default. 
2022-05-10 16:50:05	DeepDayze	Yeah saw the warning about systemd-boot overwriting even Windows' own efi boot files
2022-05-10 16:50:08	sorta	https://0x0.st/om1q.txt
2022-05-10 16:50:14	sorta	lol im only using 58M
2022-05-10 16:50:50	susi	I'm using 166 M on /boot
2022-05-10 16:51:06	sorta	with how many os?
2022-05-10 16:51:30	susi	just one, multiple kernelns and initramfs images
2022-05-10 16:51:56	ken123	my /boot 500M and 50M used.
2022-05-10 17:01:28	sorta	i have 256G, 200M makes no real difference :D
2022-05-10 17:05:18	DeepDayze	At times you should clean up old kernels so that you don't run out of space
2022-05-10 17:05:40	DeepDayze	I'd keep at least a fallback kernel and the current kernel
2022-05-10 17:06:29	DeepDayze	where the fallback can be used as a "break glass" kernel when the main one breaks things
2022-05-10 17:06:54	DeepDayze	agreed ^^
2022-05-10 17:07:45	mingdao	cyphertite: "as you can see" - https://0x0.st/omQp.txt
2022-05-10 17:08:38	mingdao	I'm in the process of installing Arch and won't use RHEL again.  If a job offer comes along where RHEL skills are required, which is the only reason I installed it; either I'll pass, or they can train me. IDC.
2022-05-10 17:11:04	Patrick14159	mingdao: :)
2022-05-10 17:13:08	susi	mingdao: what's your sda6 1G part for?
2022-05-10 17:13:15	sorta	well theres always vms 
2022-05-10 17:15:33	ken123	I used to use swap file now I use swap on swap zram rather than making a swap partition.
2022-05-10 17:17:51	DeepDayze	that's if your machine has tons of RAM
2022-05-10 17:18:09	ken123	8gb 
2022-05-10 17:18:23	DeepDayze	my big rig has 64GB so I use some as /tmp and compressed
2022-05-10 17:18:28	cyphertite	mingdao:  thanks - now I can 'see it'.  I have only run Fed, never RHEL, nor xjs, but how are your partitions /dev/sda5-7 going to get mounted lacking mountpoints?
2022-05-10 17:18:58	DeepDayze	8gb and zram...kinda tight without a regular swap partition as a fallback
2022-05-10 17:19:22	cyphertite	vjs/*xfs
2022-05-10 17:19:24	DeepDayze	or you get hit with oom's
2022-05-10 17:23:04	ken123	I don't know what would happen if it ran out of ram I did change my makepkg.conf  to MAKEOPTS="--jobs 4 --load-average 9"
2022-05-10 17:23:04	ken123	 that's about the only thing that's resource intensive I have going on. 
2022-05-10 17:25:48	poopsticks	Can anyone install xorgxrdp-nvidia from the aur ?  I get an error that 0.2.18.nvidia.patch failed validating with sha256sums
2022-05-10 17:28:17	cyphertite	poopsticks:  re-d/l it, and/or contact the maintainer if the same error persists
2022-05-10 17:28:32	poopsticks	re-d/l ?
2022-05-10 17:29:15	cyphertite	in long-hand:  re download it ;D
2022-05-10 17:29:53	poopsticks	re download nvidia?
2022-05-10 17:32:37	cyphertite	poopsticks:  Not sure how to make this simple for you.  Try try getting a new copy of xorgxrdp-nvidia, again
2022-05-10 17:46:18	Tonya201	Hello room
2022-05-10 17:46:45	Ghosthree3	poopsticks: you should try to dl the source that's failing (the patch?) and then check and compare the hash in the pkgbuild, maintainer probably made a mistake
2022-05-10 17:47:17	poopsticks	Compare the hash?
2022-05-10 17:49:23	Tonya201	my Arch box is on Wired ETH and I want to connect to a raspberry pi which is connected to the same network via wifi
2022-05-10 17:49:24	Tonya201	I want to ssh from my arch box to the raspi
2022-05-10 17:49:26	Tonya201	I want to know the IP address of the raspi
2022-05-10 17:49:27	Tonya201	I tried ifconfig, but found that it has been deprecated in favor of iproute2
2022-05-10 17:49:29	Tonya201	I tried installing zenmap also, but I was not sure that I was searching correctly
2022-05-10 17:49:30	Tonya201	I ultimately found out by logging into my router's admin page. 
2022-05-10 17:49:32	Tonya201	Any other way? ip a just lists my my wired connection.
2022-05-10 17:49:38	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-05-10 17:49:53	poopsticks	Ghosthree3: where can I find the correct hash
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2022-05-10 17:53:29	Ghosthree3	poopsticks: https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=xorgxrdp-nvidia line 20 should be the hash for the .patch file (see order of sources), you can dl it directly from that link in the source or the same link linked on the main aur page for it under sources, then run sha256sum on it
2022-05-10 17:53:29	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-05-10 17:54:06	Ghosthree3	er the link in the sources array wont work without you changing the variable, i would just get it from the sources link on the main page
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2022-05-10 17:58:23	poopsticks	the hash is the link encrypted in sha256?
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2022-05-10 17:59:09	another|	hashing is not encryption
2022-05-10 17:59:23	Ghosthree3	its not encrypted, the hash listed by the pkgbuild for confirmation is a sha256 hash, if you can download the patch file and it wont match that, either the maintainer forgot to update it, or the upstream has been modified since he did
2022-05-10 17:59:32	DeepDayze	hash is like a checksum
2022-05-10 18:00:09	BrainDamage	the reverse
2022-05-10 18:00:16	BrainDamage	a checksum is a weak form of hash
2022-05-10 18:00:46	Ghosthree3	its just a deterministic value generated from an input that can be used to verify the content is what is expected
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2022-05-10 18:02:08	poopsticks	this is the patch file https://github.com/neutrinolabs/xorgxrdp/compare/v0.2.18...jsorg71:nvidia_hack.diff I am not sure what I am looking for here
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2022-05-10 18:03:10	Ghosthree3	curl https://github.com/neutrinolabs/xorgxrdp/compare/v0.2.18...jsorg71 | sha256sum
2022-05-10 18:03:17	Ghosthree3	i can already tell you it doesnt match the pkgbuild
2022-05-10 18:03:33	Ghosthree3	oh, i messed that cmd up
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2022-05-10 18:04:41	Ghosthree3	oh my terminal didnt copy the link right
2022-05-10 18:04:58	Ghosthree3	curl https://github.com/neutrinolabs/xorgxrdp/compare/v0.2.18...jsorg71:nvidia_hack.diff | sha256sum
2022-05-10 18:05:05	susi	phiks your terminal emulator
2022-05-10 18:05:13	Ghosthree3	the : broke it :(
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2022-05-10 18:06:31	poopsticks	Now that I get a hash as an output I should put it in PKGBUILD? if so I still get the same error
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2022-05-10 18:10:15	Ghosthree3	you could change the existing one into that one yes, but be aware it may not be what the maintainer intended, this patch may have changed, probably ok though. do at your own risk
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2022-05-10 18:12:17	poopsticks	It didn't work as I said
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2022-05-10 18:15:14	Ghosthree3	you changed 506..154 into bae...e38 ?
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2022-05-10 18:25:14	Ghosthree3	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commit/329df0648f69fee345272cfc4fa4d087d9c89443 oh boy cant wait for my audio to break
2022-05-10 18:25:22	Ghosthree3	wp so buggy
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2022-05-10 18:25:42	susi	is there any 'workaround' about this: wifi-scan: active scanning for networks due to profiles with wifi.hidden=yes. This makes you trackable
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2022-05-10 18:33:08	scara	When are packages in the community repo updated? This package is already flaged as out of date: https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/tor/
2022-05-10 18:33:09	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - tor 0.4.6.10-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
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2022-05-10 18:33:26	ℹ 	pjfry42884 es conocido ahora como pjfry4288
2022-05-10 18:33:27	scara	Like 2 weeks ago.
2022-05-10 18:33:36	Khorne	!when
2022-05-10 18:33:36	phrik	When it's ready. ™
2022-05-10 18:33:41	scara	:(
2022-05-10 18:33:54	Ghosthree3	when the maintainer bothers to update it
2022-05-10 18:33:56	Khorne	Update it yourself locally if it's imperative to have the most recent version
2022-05-10 18:33:59	susi	probably when some of the maintainers does something about it
2022-05-10 18:34:25	susi	there's also tor-git in aur
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2022-05-10 18:35:01	LordRishav	!rq
2022-05-10 18:35:01	phrik	LordRishav: <paulguy> if you learn swift you'll get steve jobs
2022-05-10 18:35:28	LordRishav	Oops
2022-05-10 18:35:36	LordRishav	Sorry I forgot I wasn't on offtopic
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2022-05-10 18:37:21	scara	To be fair it seems like thay're maintaining a lot of diffrent packages so thay may not have time.
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2022-05-10 18:37:56	Ghosthree3	scara: can likely be updated by just changing the pkgver and b2sum if you want to build yourself, example, last update https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/commit/32d0a2be1b107c151bcdb74a815ea6be0ea38e78
2022-05-10 18:38:21	Ghosthree3	(i imagine the source line wont need changing again but maybe)
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2022-05-10 18:39:19	scara	Yes but that would only update it for me. I have no idea how to build packages locally but I guess I will try to figure that out now and then contact the maintainers. (Please don't tell me how, I don't like spoon feeding)
2022-05-10 18:39:40	Ghosthree3	sure, `asp` will help you on your way
2022-05-10 18:40:01	Ghosthree3	maintainer probably does not need help updating it though, they're just busy
2022-05-10 18:40:15	susi	https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=tor-git
2022-05-10 18:40:15	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-05-10 18:40:36	Ghosthree3	hmmm, master branch build...new stable release, yes these are the same thing
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2022-05-10 19:10:28	Andyrew	if a package does not build with LTO should I inform the maintainer to disable it for the pkg (AUR) 
2022-05-10 19:11:01	Foxboron	Andyrew: preferably yes
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2022-05-10 19:35:33	DragoonAethis	I noticed pipewire-media-session is gone from the repos as of today. Is it coming back somewhere, or can I clean up the Pipewire wiki page from its references?
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2022-05-10 19:36:45	DeepDayze	think wireplumber now replaces it?
2022-05-10 19:36:49	Foxboron	DragoonAethis: It's deprecated and upstream has been a bit annoyed that we havent moved people over to wireplumber yet
2022-05-10 19:36:52	Foxboron	So thus the change
2022-05-10 19:37:55	Ghosthree3	Foxboron: bit annoyed? maybe they should make wp stable first :(, ive tried it twice before and it just makes audio completely broken for me
2022-05-10 19:38:08	DragoonAethis	Foxboron: wunderbar, cleanup time
2022-05-10 19:38:20	Ghosthree3	know someone else who has consistently used it but experiences non stop bugs also, is reporting them
2022-05-10 19:39:01	Foxboron	Ghosthree3: go help them write code then
2022-05-10 19:39:22	Ghosthree3	im not throwing a tantrum that its not working, im upset they're demanding people stop using the one that actually works
2022-05-10 19:39:56	DragoonAethis	Ghosthree3: It used to be like that for me a few months ago, but I tried it out last week and was pleasantly surprised
2022-05-10 19:40:13	Ghosthree3	maybe this version will work for me though idk, if it does that's great, if it's still ear-rape then ill roll back and pin i guess
2022-05-10 19:40:27	Ghosthree3	DragoonAethis: hm it has been a little while now
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2022-05-10 19:40:58	DragoonAethis	Pretty much everything just works, Bluetooth headphones w/ LDAC, built-in speakers/jack/mic array, so yeah, it seems pretty decent nowadays
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2022-05-10 19:41:11	DragoonAethis	I'll have to migrate off PA on the main box too, eh
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2022-05-10 19:44:16	Foxboron	DragoonAethis: hmm, how did you get LDAC?
2022-05-10 19:44:35	post-factum	pipewire-media-session → wireplumber broke audio for me…
2022-05-10 19:44:36	DragoonAethis	Just installed and ran it, selected profile says LDAC is enabled
2022-05-10 19:44:48	DragoonAethis	Out of the box, it was the default (headphones support it ofc)
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2022-05-10 19:44:58	post-factum	[ao/pulse] The stream is suspended. Bailing out. // wtf is this
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2022-05-10 19:45:17	DragoonAethis	post-factum: if you switched the manager, log out and log back in
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2022-05-10 19:45:25	post-factum	i've even rebooted
2022-05-10 19:45:25	Foxboron	post-factum: Remember to enable the services and possibly reboot. It's not seamless upon upgrade
2022-05-10 19:45:29	Foxboron	oh
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2022-05-10 19:45:31	Foxboron	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-05-10 19:45:31	DragoonAethis	well
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2022-05-10 19:45:51	post-factum	wireplumber is up and running right now
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2022-05-10 19:46:03	post-factum	but so does pulseaudio
2022-05-10 19:46:08	post-factum	do i leave only one?
2022-05-10 19:46:12	mingdao	cyphertite: That's the RHEL install I did for my web server just to get familiar with RHEL.  The bad dream is over now.  I'm installing Arch on another server for that use case.
2022-05-10 19:46:36	DragoonAethis	post-factum: if you have PulseAudio and PipeWire, that means PW isn't taking over PA audio streams
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2022-05-10 19:46:52	DragoonAethis	You need pipewire-pulse to replace PulseAudio completely (official repos, install and log out/back in)
2022-05-10 19:47:23	DragoonAethis	If you have a mixed environment with PW doing JACK things and PA doing PA things, things get fucky |:D
2022-05-10 19:48:01	post-factum	so, what's the trend now? remove pulseaudio altogether?
2022-05-10 19:48:11	Ghosthree3	yea
2022-05-10 19:48:18	Ghosthree3	-S pipewire pipewire-pulse
2022-05-10 19:48:19	post-factum	oh well…
2022-05-10 19:48:54	DragoonAethis	Basically, pacman -S pipewire pipewire-alsa pipewire-jack pipewire-pulse pipewire-v4la wireplumber and you're golden on all fronts
2022-05-10 19:49:05	post-factum	i need network transparency
2022-05-10 19:49:49	DragoonAethis	Unfortunately it's not transparent, but it can easily stream things: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#Sharing_audio_devices_with_computers_on_the_network
2022-05-10 19:49:51	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-10 19:50:17	BrainDamage	last time I've checked, the documentation on pipewire modules was pretty lacking
2022-05-10 19:50:28	BrainDamage	like, which are supported, what are the options, etc
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2022-05-10 19:50:58	tomty89	And the confs are somewhat more awful than alsa confs
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2022-05-10 19:51:33	tomty89	and you even need a bit of lua-fu for wireplumber
2022-05-10 19:52:10	Ghosthree3	for most people pw should work without any configuration tbh
2022-05-10 19:52:36	tomty89	Ghosthree3: I suppose that's what they hope
2022-05-10 19:52:51	tomty89	"It's awful but it should work OOTB, so"
2022-05-10 19:53:14	post-factum	ok, removed pa, installed pw, it works. now need to figure out how to share audio devices (incl. mic)
2022-05-10 19:53:15	Ghosthree3	the ootb experience is much better than pa though, ive not had to touch it so idk how bad it is, been a good experience so far
2022-05-10 19:54:23	BrainDamage	my problem is that I need a rather complex setup, for which the average doesn't include me
2022-05-10 19:54:31	post-factum	"To share the local audio devices load the appropriate modules on the host: "
2022-05-10 19:54:48	post-factum	^^ does it persist across reboots?
2022-05-10 19:55:34	DragoonAethis	pactl load-module, nope
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2022-05-10 19:56:19	post-factum	how do i make it persistent?
2022-05-10 19:56:32	post-factum	previously, i had things configured in /etc/pulse/default.pa
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2022-05-10 19:56:47	post-factum	like, load-module module-native-protocol-tcp auth-ip-acl=127.0.0.1;1.1.1.1
2022-05-10 19:56:54	post-factum	and load-module module-zeroconf-publish
2022-05-10 19:57:31	artefact	you can add those in content.exec in pipewire.conf. but there's probably a better, native, less racy way of doing things
2022-05-10 19:57:34	DragoonAethis	Either put it in your boot scripts, or figure out how to make native PW/WP configs to do that automatically and document it - it almost certainly just loads a bunch of modules under the hood, but still needs some docs on wher that needs to go
2022-05-10 19:58:07	post-factum	fml
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2022-05-10 20:05:56	post-factum	!paste
2022-05-10 20:05:56	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-05-10 20:06:22	post-factum	https://bpa.st/3UAQ
2022-05-10 20:06:23	phrik	Title: View paste 3UAQ (at bpa.st)
2022-05-10 20:06:27	post-factum	probably, like this
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2022-05-10 20:06:46	post-factum	going to restart and see…
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2022-05-10 20:09:37	post-factum	pw.conf: 0x55ba539b8200: could not load mandatory module "module-native-protocol-tcp": No such file or directory
2022-05-10 20:09:39	post-factum	:/
2022-05-10 20:09:42	post-factum	it worked from cli
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2022-05-10 20:12:10	artefact	pulse modules are emulated for the most part. they're not actual modules
2022-05-10 20:12:26	artefact	ie, there's a translation layer at libpulse
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2022-05-10 20:13:46	post-factum	aye, lemme try another thing
2022-05-10 20:13:50	artefact	make your own user service that runs after pipewire.service, or use content.exec, that's probably the most straightforward
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2022-05-10 20:32:59	post-factum	DragoonAethis: artefact: https://bpa.st/7LMQ seems like this does the job. i couldn't find another way of loading zeroconf
2022-05-10 20:33:00	phrik	Title: View paste 7LMQ (at bpa.st)
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2022-05-10 20:35:53	post-factum	i'd still prefer to load module-zeroconf-publish in some other way
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2022-05-10 20:36:55	DragoonAethis	Yeah, that still looks hacky, there's probably another way
2022-05-10 20:37:08	DragoonAethis	You could try checking how the PA interface is emulated and where it loads the thing
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2022-05-11 18:18:07	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1495 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1494 normals)
2022-05-11 13:05:59	BlackDex	hmm, it does break some tools i use
2022-05-11 13:25:37	BlackDex	also spotify is broken now
2022-05-11 13:40:52	BlackDex	ok... i fixed it by removing wireplumber and enable pipewire again :) 
2022-05-11 13:41:09	sorta	BlackDex: basic stuff, but you did reboot after the whole change right?
2022-05-11 13:41:40	BlackDex	Yea i did. But it spotify refused to work.
2022-05-11 13:42:00	BlackDex	pulseaudio-dlna is not working anymore, which is expected. but i want that
2022-05-11 13:42:14	thingfish	how is it that people are getting this wireplumber?  I've been updating and I still haven't seen it showing up.
2022-05-11 13:43:22	sorta	its in extra
2022-05-11 13:43:30	sorta	i havent installed it
2022-05-11 13:45:03	sorta	uh oh today pacman wants me to wireplumber my system :O
2022-05-11 13:45:10	sorta	i just ran a update
2022-05-11 13:45:12	thingfish	ruh roh
2022-05-11 13:45:24	BlackDex	and that was what broke it for me :(
2022-05-11 13:45:43	sorta	oh no i said Y
2022-05-11 13:45:51	thingfish	eep
2022-05-11 13:47:16	sorta	pls god pls let violin concerto in d major op 61  get over before everything breaks...
2022-05-11 13:47:38	thingfish	hehe
2022-05-11 13:47:46	enoq	so couple of questions
2022-05-11 13:47:56	enoq	anyone else having audio input/output issues after todays update?
2022-05-11 13:48:05	thingfish	yes, lots of people.
2022-05-11 13:48:28	heat	what happened with wireplumber?
2022-05-11 13:48:33	sorta	just another minute.....
2022-05-11 13:48:38	enoq	and how is chromium/electron handled? asking because I'm running FoundryVTT (webgl + js) in Chromium and Discord (Electron) side by side and having frequent audio drops
2022-05-11 13:48:42	enoq	when running Discord in Firefox, audio issues are gone
2022-05-11 13:48:44	enoq	so maybe caused by re-using the same chromium process for both the browser and discord?
2022-05-11 13:48:46	enoq	as for the audio issues: need to reconnect my usb mic every 10 minutes or it's gone
2022-05-11 13:48:57	thingfish	hmm
2022-05-11 13:49:01	enoq	wireplumber update somehow related to pipewire?
2022-05-11 13:49:55	susi	yes, it's a session and policy manager for pw
2022-05-11 13:49:57	sorta	YES!!! finished and now for the breakage....
2022-05-11 13:50:16	enoq	perfect, thanks :)
2022-05-11 13:50:49	thingfish	no progress without pain, I guess.
2022-05-11 13:51:11	Ghosthree3	it really wasn't ready
2022-05-11 13:51:12	heat	was wireplumber forced on people?
2022-05-11 13:51:25	Ghosthree3	heat: if they were using pipewire-media-session previously, yes
2022-05-11 13:51:28	jelle	"forced"
2022-05-11 13:51:31	Ghosthree3	(which they had to if they had pipewire)
2022-05-11 13:51:39	heat	ah
2022-05-11 13:51:48	heat	i was using wireplumber before
2022-05-11 13:51:51	sorta	omg nothing broke
2022-05-11 13:52:02	jelle	it should not break, wireplumber was vetted for a while
2022-05-11 13:52:09	sorta	i can listen to violin concerto in d major op 61 again :)
2022-05-11 13:52:17	thingfish	yay :)
2022-05-11 13:54:10	susi	waiting for new curl to appear in repos; https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/05/11/curl-7-83-1-it-burns/
2022-05-11 13:54:11	phrik	Title: curl 7.83.1 it burns | daniel.haxx.se (at daniel.haxx.se)
2022-05-11 13:56:55	Scimmia	susi: it already is
2022-05-11 13:57:57	susi	but I mean in core/
2022-05-11 13:58:37	Ghosthree3	is it urgent
2022-05-11 14:25:59	moldorcoder7	i dont have hardware acceleration since i upgraded my nvidia driver yestersay
2022-05-11 14:26:07	moldorcoder7	any idea what can be done ?
2022-05-11 14:28:37	Namarrgon	hw acceleration of what?
2022-05-11 14:28:48	Namarrgon	opengl? video decoding?
2022-05-11 14:29:27	moldorcoder7	Namarrgon, in firefox and chrome , i have now a playback error , please restart your device
2022-05-11 14:29:44	Namarrgon	did you restart the device after the update?
2022-05-11 14:29:51	moldorcoder7	from checking here and there is looks it is often related to nvidia and i remember seeing nvidia updated yesterday 
2022-05-11 14:29:58	moldorcoder7	yes , a few times
2022-05-11 14:30:25	Namarrgon	are the modules loaded?
2022-05-11 14:31:11	moldorcoder7	yes i see all of them and glxinfo is showing me all those lines as usual
2022-05-11 14:31:28	moldorcoder7	but the playback in fox and chrome is not working
2022-05-11 14:34:22	moldorcoder7	im actually getting that error from firefox : [2022-05-11T13:31:33Z ERROR mp4parse] Found 2 nul bytes in "\u{0}\u{0}"
2022-05-11 14:34:41	moldorcoder7	some incompatibility layer as discussed here : https://www.reddit.com/r/artixlinux/comments/u7vd2s/firefox_9901_h264avc1_decode_not_working/
2022-05-11 14:38:22	phonemic	any fix for the audio issues yet?
2022-05-11 14:38:36	phonemic	or workarounds?
2022-05-11 14:38:45	moldorcoder7	phonemic, ha you have audio issue too ?
2022-05-11 14:38:57	phonemic	oh yes, i was on yesterday but gave up
2022-05-11 14:39:09	Scimmia	phonemic: switch to pipewire instead of trying to use both pipewire and pulse
2022-05-11 14:39:33	phonemic	what specific packages should I install?
2022-05-11 14:39:51	Ghosthree3	if you install pipewire-pulse it should pull and remove everything appropriately
2022-05-11 14:39:55	ville	i was installing arch on hetzner following: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux_on_a_VPS and i managed to overlook step 1. yeah great start! but it doesn't appear i had any problem logging into the vps anyway. perhaps the wiki information is out of date?
2022-05-11 14:39:56	phrik	Title: Arch Linux on a VPS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-11 14:41:13	phonemic	Ghosthree3: Done. do I need a reboot?
2022-05-11 14:41:18	phonemic	Still not working
2022-05-11 14:41:26	Ghosthree3	it needs stuff restarted so yea
2022-05-11 14:41:33	Ghosthree3	quickest way is to reboot if u dont mind 
2022-05-11 14:43:26	phonemic	Hey, audio works
2022-05-11 14:43:28	phonemic	nice
2022-05-11 14:44:13	phonemic	fwiw, pulseaudio was installed for me by plasma-meta. are the maintainers going to switch out the dependencies?
2022-05-11 14:44:43	Ghosthree3	i mean PA should still work, idk what issue is causing problems there
2022-05-11 14:45:02	Ghosthree3	pw-pulse is a drop-in replacement that provides pa functionality so it satisfies the dep all the same
2022-05-11 14:48:26	Dreamer3	do video cards have like a max size of window they handle best? I'm playing video and when I switch from like 2900x1500 to 3200x1600 my GPU goes from like 30% to 90%
2022-05-11 14:48:43	Dreamer3	(not very linear)
2022-05-11 14:50:45	Dreamer3	and switching virtual screens with 3 1/3 windows is like WAY faster than switching with one huge window taking up the whole screen
2022-05-11 14:50:59	Dreamer3	same amount of space, just it's 1 window vs 3
2022-05-11 14:51:40	Scimmia	Ghosthree3: the issue seems to be that wireplumber doesn't play well with pa
2022-05-11 14:51:58	Scimmia	and Arch just forcibly switched to wireplumber
2022-05-11 14:53:59	Foxboron	Scimmia: pipewire-media-sessions is deprecated and upstream was annoyed at users reporting issues
2022-05-11 14:54:44	Scimmia	I get that, that doesn't change the issue people are having, though
2022-05-11 14:54:52	Ghosthree3	Scimmia: that sucks but wouldnt most PA users not have pipewire which means they wouldn't have had pipewire-media-sessions to be swapped to wireplumber?
2022-05-11 14:55:15	Ghosthree3	very strange that wp would break PA which should be independent, or so i would have thought
2022-05-11 14:55:22	Foxboron	Scimmia: Sure, but I don't understand why people would be running pipewire and pulseaudio
2022-05-11 14:55:43	Ghosthree3	i cant imagine people are doing it on purpose
2022-05-11 14:55:43	Scimmia	Ghosthree3: pipewire is pulled in by a number of things, including mutter
2022-05-11 14:55:48	Ghosthree3	ah
2022-05-11 14:56:02	phonemic	Foxboron: pulseaudio and pipewire were both pulled for me as part of KDE
2022-05-11 14:56:17	phonemic	I didn't explicitly install either of them
2022-05-11 14:56:18	Foxboron	phonemic: that is fine and somewhat expected. But why would you be running both?
2022-05-11 14:56:25	Ghosthree3	pw-pulse should be the default pa provides at this point tbh, would solve this too
2022-05-11 14:56:31	Scimmia	and kwin, looking deeper
2022-05-11 14:56:44	Ghosthree3	Foxboron: i mean if they both get pulled automatically , they both have sockets that auto start them ..? people wouldnt be running it on purpose
2022-05-11 14:56:51	phonemic	exactly
2022-05-11 14:56:54	Foxboron	Ghosthree3: sockets are not default enabled?
2022-05-11 14:56:59	Ghosthree3	yes they are
2022-05-11 14:57:03	Scimmia	Foxboron: you sure about that?
2022-05-11 14:57:08	Foxboron	Scimmia: It's a question
2022-05-11 14:57:13	Ghosthree3	Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/pipewire.service; disabled; vendor preset: enabled)
2022-05-11 14:57:27	Ghosthree3	er thats the service oops, but still preset enabled
2022-05-11 14:57:29	phonemic	wireplumber is what broke pulseaudio for me
2022-05-11 14:57:39	Ghosthree3	Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/pipewire.socket; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
2022-05-11 14:57:57	Ghosthree3	im certain i didn't enable this myself it just comes enabled (which i desire anyway)
2022-05-11 14:58:00	phonemic	pulseaudio should have been replaced by pipewire-pulse as part of updating
2022-05-11 14:58:16	Ghosthree3	forcibly replacing pulseaudio is a different kettle of fish tbh
2022-05-11 14:58:32	Ghosthree3	but pipewire-pulse should be the recommended default at this stage i think?
2022-05-11 14:58:59	phonemic	i had to go out and explicitly install pipewire-pulse
2022-05-11 14:59:06	Ghosthree3	anyway since pw is enabled by default if its installed i guess all these DE meta packages come broken right now with pulse + pw + plumber
2022-05-11 14:59:39	Ghosthree3	maybe the meta packages should change to provide pipewire-pulse instead at the very least, with pulseaudio available for anyone that wants it specifically?
2022-05-11 15:00:38	phonemic	yes, plasma-pa still requires pulseaudio
2022-05-11 15:01:06	Ghosthree3	(which can be satisfied with pipewire-pulse as you can attest)
2022-05-11 15:01:20	phonemic	right
2022-05-11 16:09:05	moldorcoder7	doest anyody have issue playing video (youtube) with an nvidia card since yersterday upgrade ?
2022-05-11 16:10:25	moldorcoder7	i have no sound and cant play any video :(
2022-05-11 16:10:45	moldorcoder7	with message if playback doesnt start shortly , try restarting your device
2022-05-11 16:14:25	moldorcoder7	looks like a sound issue actually 
2022-05-11 16:14:39	moldorcoder7	kill pulseaudio fix the playback issue wth 
2022-05-11 16:22:45	moldorcoder7	migrating to pipewire, whatever it is fixed the issue
2022-05-11 16:38:20	Ghosthree3	yea everyone with broken audio likely needs to install pipewire-pulse
2022-05-11 16:41:35	ocherno3	after rebooting to 5.17.1, my /home mounted raid1 is gone... i've tested both disks and they show RAID partitions ... before I begin with my RAID recovery adventure, and clues for what might got wrong?
2022-05-11 16:41:58	ocherno3	any clue... ?
2022-05-11 16:42:57	Ghosthree3	using UUID to mount?
2022-05-11 16:43:42	ocherno3	yes
2022-05-11 16:44:01	Ghosthree3	module available?
2022-05-11 16:44:15	Ghosthree3	check the logs for the mount
2022-05-11 16:44:34	soren_	failed arch-chroot into broken system after failed kernel update: `arch-chroot /mnt /bin/bash` results in `chroot: failed to run command /bin/bash: input/output error` i think the libraries are broken. I think I need to instore glib2, so I copy that package from my laptop but `pacman --sysroot /mnt -U media/glib2...zst` says: "could not open file: /etc/mtab: No such file or directory. Could not
2022-05-11 16:44:37	soren_	determine filesystem mount points" Where to go from here?
2022-05-11 16:45:39	soren_	i have crypt-root mounted to /mnt and the boot partition mounted to /mnt/boot 
2022-05-11 16:46:21	ocherno3	boot process exits w/message "timed out waiting for devices /dev/disk/by-uuid/XXXX" 
2022-05-11 16:46:42	moldorcoder7	Ghosthree3, ok , at least it fixes the issue :) was getting crazy on this one :)
2022-05-11 16:49:41	ocherno3	 /proc/mdstat is blank... so I presume auto - assembling failed... does MD store/cache MD config in /var? 
2022-05-11 16:58:29	grawity	no, either the array is statically configured in /etc or dynamically scanned via udev
2022-05-11 17:03:48	ocherno3	the /etc/mdadm.conf is still there 
2022-05-11 17:06:52	asix	So...what is solution to video/audio playback breakage from yesterday's update? Youtube does not play. MPV won't play video. I get system sounds. VLC will play video, but no sound. 
2022-05-11 17:07:21	susi	asix: see if there's pa/pw conflict
2022-05-11 17:07:30	susi	pulseaudio/pipewire, that is
2022-05-11 17:07:42	ocherno3	well... the next step, removing HDDs and connecting them to another machine for live booting and raid troubleshooting ... wish me luck, hopefully mdadm can behave and self assemble so I can copy to the new HDDs
2022-05-11 17:08:21	asix	pipewire-pulse and pulseaudio are in conflict. Remove pulseaudio? [y/N] --- so just do that remove?
2022-05-11 17:08:44	susi	asix: yes
2022-05-11 17:08:48	asix	ty
2022-05-11 17:09:07	susi	that is, if you want to continue with pw
2022-05-11 17:11:16	asix	Well... I'd like to continue with working video/audio playback! LOL. So whatever the prescribed method is that works. rn, it's completely broken from yesterdays Syu
2022-05-11 17:11:30	Ghosthree3	install pipewire-pulse and reboot see if its fixed
2022-05-11 17:11:40	ocherno3	strange, in my 20y running home/office ... never had issued with md raid before... 
2022-05-11 17:11:51	Furai	For me I have to chang sources multiple times and it starts to work.
2022-05-11 17:11:56	Furai	change*
2022-05-11 17:12:08	Furai	So the long term fix is to install pipewire-pulse?
2022-05-11 17:13:10	Furai	Can't I just stick with one? Like change to pipewire entirely? Or am I missing something?
2022-05-11 17:13:12	Ghosthree3	idk about long term but it should fix it, pulseaudio breaks when wireplumber is running, and wireplumber is required by pipewire, which many DEs seem to pull automatically. switching to the pipewire-pulse drop-in seems to fix it
2022-05-11 17:13:35	Ghosthree3	Furai: this would change to pipewire. pipewire is its own thing but not all applications support it directly so pipewire-pulse is a translation layer until they do
2022-05-11 17:13:50	Furai	oh, ok
2022-05-11 17:13:50	grawity	hm that sounds annoying
2022-05-11 17:13:52	Furai	Installing it now then.
2022-05-11 17:14:00	Ghosthree3	the alternative would be to remove pipewire but that may break your DEs dependencies
2022-05-11 17:14:04	grawity	so in practice you can no longer use pipewire for video capture and pulseaudio for audio?
2022-05-11 17:14:36	Ghosthree3	apparently not, i have no idea why wireplumber is breaking pulseaudio but that's apparently what's happening, idk how it's even interacting with it honestly
2022-05-11 17:14:50	Ghosthree3	_most_ people i imagine have no reason to use pulseaudio over pipewire-pulse at this stage though?
2022-05-11 17:14:59	Furai	Is there any active issue I can follow/
2022-05-11 17:15:36	heat	wait why is wireplumber installed for people that didn't have pipewire?
2022-05-11 17:15:42	Ghosthree3	they did have pipewire
2022-05-11 17:16:08	Ghosthree3	even if they werent aware of it or using it directly for audio, things were pulling it in. ie. `mutter` depends on it
2022-05-11 17:17:44	BrainDamage	shouldn't you be able to mask wireplumber service and keep using PA?
2022-05-11 17:18:02	grawity	I guess you can, but can PW function without any session manager?
2022-05-11 17:19:24	asix	installed pipewire... via pipewire-pulse and pulled in deps, rebooted...and video/audio playback working again. thx for the help. ...fun with Arch! ;-) 
2022-05-11 17:21:00	Furai	Yeah, seems pipewire-pulse fixed the issues.
2022-05-11 17:21:06	asix	susi: ty
2022-05-11 17:21:09	asix	Ghosthree3: ty
2022-05-11 17:21:19	Ghosthree3	unless wireplumber is fixed to not break pulseaudio the fix should be to have the `pulseaudio` depends fulfilled by prioritizing the pipewire-pulse package (which Provides: pulseaudio) over pulseaudio itself, imo. anyway. wont fix existing installations, just stop new ones from being broken on arrival. or have those packages in question (like mutter) depend on pipewire-pulse explicitly i guess.
2022-05-11 17:21:19	Ghosthree3	bit of a messy situation
2022-05-11 17:21:49	grawity	tbh I switched to pipewire for audio last month and it doesn't seem to be any worse than PA (at least while I don't need bluetooth nor network streaming)
2022-05-11 17:23:06	Ghosthree3	yea i swapped a while ago and it just worked, i think it has better defaults too, pulseaudio has awful defaults
2022-05-11 17:23:11	Furai	I don't even have bluetooth on this machine so it's fine. 
2022-05-11 17:23:21	BrainDamage	I have a rather complex setup and the lack of documentation of pipewire is daunting
2022-05-11 17:23:22	Furai	what about all stuff like pawucontrol?
2022-05-11 17:23:24	lf94	pipewire has worked so amazing well it still baffles me how it's so good
2022-05-11 17:23:27	Furai	Should that be deleted?
2022-05-11 17:23:36	Ghosthree3	Furai: pavucontrol will still work through the pipewire-pulse translation layer
2022-05-11 17:23:36	BrainDamage	pauwucontrol
2022-05-11 17:23:37	lf94	no you need pavucontrol
2022-05-11 17:24:10	Ghosthree3	there's no native mixer for pipewire afaik, gotta use one of the pulse ones (or jack maybe?)
2022-05-11 17:24:12	Furai	What was the other tool for pulseaudio stuff? pactl and pavucontrol?
2022-05-11 17:24:25	Ghosthree3	both of those are tools
2022-05-11 17:25:11	Ghosthree3	i would just have installed pipewire-pulse and do nothing else, act like nothing changed (unless something is not workign)
2022-05-11 17:25:50	Furai	Mkey, thanks.
2022-05-11 17:52:46	Nuc1eoN	hey guys Im failing to update my system with pacman due to PGP issues
2022-05-11 17:52:48	Nuc1eoN	https://bpa.st/XN4A
2022-05-11 17:52:49	phrik	Title: View paste XN4A (at bpa.st)
2022-05-11 17:53:09	Nuc1eoN	I am pressing Y to import the key but it just fails all the time
2022-05-11 17:55:09	Nuc1eoN	`sudo pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring` did it 
2022-05-11 17:55:39	Nuc1eoN	Weird, pacman imho should have been smart enough to figure this out on its own
2022-05-11 17:58:10	Ghosthree3	well you're trying to upgrade all packages at once, of which the keyring is included, but the process is halted because some verifications fail, so the new keyring isnt installed
2022-05-11 17:58:33	Ghosthree3	perhaps pacman should have an explicit exception to force the keyring package through but it doesnt, you'll likely run into needing to do that again at some point
2022-05-11 17:58:36	grawity	that's the WKD fetch bug that got fixed yesterday, isn't it?
2022-05-11 17:59:51	Ghosthree3	oh? details? ive had to do that 'fix' for years
2022-05-11 18:00:18	Ghosthree3	ohh is that what the pacman update that included a patch was, i did scan that and didnt recognize what i was reading haha
2022-05-11 18:01:56	Ghosthree3	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman/-/commit/e1246baddd14ec6f4b6270b59bea0e1b639472a7.patch tbh, idk what this fixes haha, but i imagine if the keyring gets outdated manual -Sy keyring will still be needed?
2022-05-11 18:07:55	Edu4rdSHL	Ghosthree3, that commit only helps when pacman wants to import a new key
2022-05-11 18:18:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-05-11 19:06:50	Ghosthree3	looks like wireplumber replaces line got reverted
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2022-05-11 19:09:28	szerb	hi everyone
2022-05-11 19:09:32	szerb	im having some problems with kernel mode setting on my GTX 1650
2022-05-11 19:10:00	szerb	im using the proprietary nvidia driver
2022-05-11 19:10:20	szerb	i tried everything i could
2022-05-11 19:10:25	szerb	GRUB_GFXMODE=1920x1080x24
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2022-05-11 19:10:34	szerb	GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep
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2022-05-11 19:10:54	szerb	nvidia-drm.modeset=1 kernel parameter
2022-05-11 19:11:10	szerb	MODULES=(nvidia nvidia_modeset nvidia_uvm nvidia_drm) in mkinitcpio.conf
2022-05-11 19:11:28	szerb	i even tried the deprecated vga= parameter
2022-05-11 19:11:39	szerb	but it still doesnt work
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2022-05-11 19:11:55	zegolem	what doesn't work? does it not boot?
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2022-05-11 19:12:21	szerb	it boots
2022-05-11 19:12:29	szerb	but tty is still in 1024x768 resolution
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2022-05-11 19:13:02	Ghosthree3	i never solved that back when i had an nvidia card, bought an amd card next time instead. i also had an issue where i couldnt swap tty with the ctrl alt F keys
2022-05-11 19:13:20	Ghosthree3	not sure you can change the res on proprietary nvidia drivers?
2022-05-11 19:13:32	zegolem	you can, I have it set up and it works :/
2022-05-11 19:13:35	another|	*insert nvidia rant by linus*
2022-05-11 19:13:58	zegolem	szerb, did you try GRUB_GFXMODE=1920x1080?
2022-05-11 19:14:15	zegolem	oh, and did you update the grub config properly?
2022-05-11 19:14:24	szerb	i did
2022-05-11 19:16:04	zegolem	well, I don't really know :/ sorry, it works for me on my GTX 1060 6G, though I'm doing this from memory, I set it up a while ago and am not at my desk right now, I may have done some other things…
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2022-05-11 19:17:15	Ghosthree3	szerb: rebuild initramfs after adding the modules to mkinitcpio.conf?
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2022-05-11 19:18:28	szerb	i rebuilt the initramfs
2022-05-11 19:18:43	zegolem	maybe try this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1096629/change-ubuntu-server-18-04-lts-bionic-console-screen-resolution
2022-05-11 19:18:44	phrik	Title: grub2 - Change Ubuntu Server 18.04 LTS Bionic Console Screen Resolution - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
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2022-05-11 19:31:43	hwrd	is there a way to query for another host on my local network via hostname somehow?
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2022-05-11 19:33:00	another|	query what?
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2022-05-11 19:34:18	grawity	depends
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2022-05-11 19:34:26	Dotz0cat	I am having trouble with kms and overscan when connecting my laptop to my tv. Right now I have added video=hdmi:1280x720 in my kernel parms. It works but gives me a lot of overscan.
2022-05-11 19:35:22	Dotz0cat	I have tried video=hdmi:1920x1080ie but it did not work
2022-05-11 19:35:40	Dotz0cat	1080i is what the tv works at over hdmi
2022-05-11 19:36:04	grawity	doesn't the TV have an option to disable overscan
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2022-05-11 19:38:07	gehidore	sadly lots of them don't for some reason
2022-05-11 19:38:18	gehidore	at least not in a user accessible menu
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2022-05-11 19:38:49	BrainDamage	hwrd: the router may advertise the registered hostnames as a dns, the device itself may publish its existance through multicast dns, but all those mechanisms are optional and not universal
2022-05-11 19:39:17	hwrd	another| for IP I suppose
2022-05-11 19:39:30	hwrd	BrainDamage ah, I guess my best bet it to just set a reserved IP...
2022-05-11 19:39:40	wCPO	hwrd: you can use mDNS
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2022-05-11 19:40:10	zegolem	hwrd try $HOSTNAME.local and see if it finds the device you're looking for, that's I think the most popular way routers do it…
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2022-05-11 19:40:22	Dotz0cat	I have ran through all the setting there is no overscan. I think I recall about the same problem from diffrent windows machine as well. 
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2022-05-11 19:40:26	BrainDamage	not routers, clients
2022-05-11 19:40:30	BrainDamage	.local is for mdns
2022-05-11 19:41:28	BrainDamage	mdns works reasonably well, but it requires support in all the clients
2022-05-11 19:41:54	BrainDamage	router dhcp-dns advertising doesn't require special client support, but it requires the router to support it
2022-05-11 19:42:07	BrainDamage	android has always been quite hostile towards mdns
2022-05-11 19:42:17	hwrd	I basically want a way to query for my Synergy server's IP so I don't have to keep changing my script when that laptop has it's IP changed.
2022-05-11 19:42:20	BrainDamage	and microsoft to some degree
2022-05-11 19:42:38	BrainDamage	can you run avahi on the server?
2022-05-11 19:42:40	hwrd	dig `$HOST.local` actually didn't tell me much
2022-05-11 19:43:05	hwrd	BrainDamage well, maybe? but I was hoping for a native way to do this, otherwise, I may just add the server to a DHCP reserved IP.
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2022-05-11 19:43:20	another|	v6 ll?
2022-05-11 19:43:22	BrainDamage	it's the "native" way to do it
2022-05-11 19:43:28	zegolem	hwrd is there a way to configure your router to give those peropherals static IPs? I know mine can do it
2022-05-11 19:43:43	BrainDamage	well, short of reseriving ips
2022-05-11 19:44:07	hwrd	zegolem there is, and it's worked great before...  until I change routers :P then it's a scramble to figure "why the hell is this not working anymore", cuz no one remembers to migrate all of those settings to a new router LOL
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2022-05-11 19:44:36	hwrd	BrainDamage avahi is the native way to do it? then I suppose not. The server is a Mac.
2022-05-11 19:45:14	BrainDamage	oh, then mac has its own mdns implementation
2022-05-11 19:45:16	BrainDamage	natively
2022-05-11 19:45:33	BrainDamage	iirc it's even on by default
2022-05-11 19:45:54	BrainDamage	try avahi-browse --all in your machine
2022-05-11 19:46:13	BrainDamage	iirc systemd even has its own resolver for mdns
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2022-05-12 12:54:18	phonemic	right it did
2022-05-12 12:54:23	thrice	nice
2022-05-12 12:54:35	arojas	kwin does not require wireplumber
2022-05-12 12:54:40	phonemic	but if I started fresh wouldn't pulseaudio get installed?
2022-05-12 12:55:17	thrice	that's arch's "default" for pulseaudio, yes
2022-05-12 12:55:55	phonemic	no, would audio not work then for a fresh install of arch with kde?
2022-05-12 12:56:45	phonemic	arojas: it's in the required by field https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/wireplumber/
2022-05-12 12:56:47	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - wireplumber 0.4.10-3 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-05-12 12:56:51	thrice	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commit/5e376fd9730d7b2aa77c40093a004bade9046e96
2022-05-12 12:57:31	arojas	phonemic: read the full line
2022-05-12 12:57:33	thrice	the change that likely broke your setup was reverted, it seems
2022-05-12 12:58:13	phonemic	so it's only required now if pipewire-session-manager is installed?
2022-05-12 13:01:52	thrice	I'm not an expert, but I think wireplumber is the preferred option, as pipewire-media-session isn't maintained.  But, the combo of wireplumber + pulseaudio seemed to break some setups
2022-05-12 13:02:04	jelle	yes wireplumber is what you want
2022-05-12 13:02:13	thrice	not with pulseaudio, apparently
2022-05-12 13:02:36	jelle	indeed
2022-05-12 13:02:41	jelle	but that's why you got pipewire :)
2022-05-12 13:03:15	thrice	yes, but the way the pcakage updates were done last week, lots of people ended up with pulseaudio + wireplumber, becasue of the replaces
2022-05-12 13:05:20	jelle	I know :)
2022-05-12 13:07:13	Ghosthree3	was reverted so future installations shouldnt _come_ broken at least
2022-05-12 13:09:48	pulec	pipewire <3
2022-05-12 13:10:13	pulec	but I still use pavucontrol and many applications connect to 'pulseaudio'
2022-05-12 13:10:40	jelle	that's fine as pipewire speaks that
2022-05-12 13:10:40	zegolem	pipewire is truly awesome!
2022-05-12 13:11:01	susi	I switched from pavucontrol to pactl, never going back!
2022-05-12 13:11:47	zegolem	isn't pactl CLI and pavucontrol GUI?
2022-05-12 13:20:33	poopsticks	For some reason when I run os-prober windows gets detected but running `grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg` does not add a windows entry to grub
2022-05-12 13:20:45	poopsticks	I have installed windows after linux fyi
2022-05-12 13:21:00	damjan	poopsticks: make sure os-prober is enabled in grub
2022-05-12 13:21:43	tomty89	yay! https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-releases-open-source-gpu-kernel-modules/
2022-05-12 13:21:53	poopsticks	damjan: running the aforementioned command does not give an error about GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER 
2022-05-12 13:23:36	tomty89	poopsticks: what's the problem?
2022-05-12 13:24:12	poopsticks	os-prober detects windows but generating a grub config doesn't add a windows entry
2022-05-12 13:25:01	Namarrgon	os-prober is disabled out of the box
2022-05-12 13:25:23	poopsticks	running grub-mkconfig should notify that os-prober is disabled but it doesn't
2022-05-12 13:25:36	tomty89	poopsticks: You *are* piping stdout of grub-mkconfig to grub.cfg right?
2022-05-12 13:25:41	poopsticks	yes
2022-05-12 13:26:15	Namarrgon	before you complain you should read the documentation
2022-05-12 13:26:47	poopsticks	in which file does GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER go?
2022-05-12 13:27:28	Namarrgon	!give poopsticks aw grub
2022-05-12 13:27:29	phrik	poopsticks: Grub - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Grub
2022-05-12 13:29:01	tomty89	poopsticks: seems like you just need to uncomment the line in /etc/default/grub; if you have the latest one it should consists of the line
2022-05-12 13:29:05	Ghosthree3	os-prober definitely used to just work if it was installed
2022-05-12 13:29:15	Namarrgon	things change
2022-05-12 13:29:45	tomty89	like nvidia
2022-05-12 13:30:39	Ghosthree3	that driver isnt ready for consumer use afaik, gonna be a year or two but its great that looking forward it's going to actually work ootb
2022-05-12 13:32:46	tomty89	it seems that nvidia expects nouveau to "absorb" stuff from it
2022-05-12 13:34:01	poopsticks	Adding GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false to /etc/default/grub did not works, windows is still not detected
2022-05-12 13:34:56	tomty89	poopsticks: did you check the output file itself or just looked at the boot menu?
2022-05-12 13:35:09	poopsticks	I looked at the boot menu
2022-05-12 13:35:59	tomty89	poopsticks: better check the file directly first, then we decide what to do/check next
2022-05-12 13:36:19	poopsticks	The output file doesn't have a windows entry neither 
2022-05-12 13:38:05	tomty89	poopsticks: are you using UEFI booting for Linux but legacy booting for Windows?
2022-05-12 13:38:22	tomty89	(or maybe the other way round)
2022-05-12 13:38:50	poopsticks	I am not sure how to check, but grub has a uefi settings entry
2022-05-12 13:39:58	tomty89	poopsticks: does `findmnt /sys/firmware/efi/efivars` give any output?
2022-05-12 13:40:35	poopsticks	TARGET                    SOURCE   FSTYPE   OPTIONS
2022-05-12 13:40:35	poopsticks	/sys/firmware/efi/efivars efivarfs efivarfs rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime
2022-05-12 13:40:38	poopsticks	this is the output
2022-05-12 13:41:39	tomty89	poopsticks: please also pastebin `fdisk -l` and `ls /boot/efi`
2022-05-12 13:41:46	tomty89	!pastebin
2022-05-12 13:41:46	phrik	Pastebin.com is swamped with advertisements and random captchas. Malware found on pastebin.com has resulted in it being blocked for some users. It injects CRLF line-endings. Please, use something else. Use something sane like https://gist.github.com https://bpaste.net https://ix.io and see !ix for easy way to paste from a pipe
2022-05-12 13:41:49	tomty89	!paste
2022-05-12 13:41:50	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-05-12 13:42:00	poopsticks	bpa.st is chill right?
2022-05-12 13:42:16	susi	it's ok
2022-05-12 13:43:10	poopsticks	https://bpa.st/EBFQ
2022-05-12 13:43:10	phrik	Title: View paste EBFQ (at bpa.st)
2022-05-12 13:44:38	susi	does it need community/os-prober installed?
2022-05-12 13:44:57	poopsticks	os-prober is installed
2022-05-12 13:45:18	tomty89	poopsticks: hmm that seems fine
2022-05-12 13:48:22	tomty89	poopsticks: can you pastebin the stderr of grub-mkconfig?
2022-05-12 13:48:51	poopsticks	stderr?
2022-05-12 13:49:15	tomty89	poopsticks: like what you see if `grub-mkconfig > /dev/null`
2022-05-12 13:49:37	tomty89	tho i don't really remember it outputs anything to stderr
2022-05-12 13:49:40	tomty89	*if it
2022-05-12 13:49:59	poopsticks	https://bpa.st/R7YA
2022-05-12 13:49:59	phrik	Title: View paste R7YA (at bpa.st)
2022-05-12 13:50:02	poopsticks	this?
2022-05-12 13:50:12	tomty89	Yes
2022-05-12 13:50:33	tomty89	poopsticks: hmm but didn't you once say you saw it shows Windows detected?
2022-05-12 13:50:37	poopsticks	maybe there is an issue with how I pipe grub-mkconfig? I use grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2022-05-12 13:50:52	poopsticks	tomty89: when I run os-prober windows is detected
2022-05-12 13:51:54	tomty89	poopsticks: you mind pastebin /etc/default/grub just in case you made some mistake?
2022-05-12 13:52:19	susi	you have 30_os-prober under /etc/grub.d, and with exec rights?
2022-05-12 13:52:37	poopsticks	tomty89: https://bpa.st/BEBQ
2022-05-12 13:52:38	phrik	Title: View paste BEBQ (at bpa.st)
2022-05-12 13:53:03	poopsticks	susi: no x permission, this might be it
2022-05-12 13:53:50	poopsticks	susi: this has fixed it
2022-05-12 13:53:55	susi	:)
2022-05-12 13:57:54	tomty89	quirky
2022-05-12 14:22:19	susi	I think that "menu" is an invalid value for GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE
2022-05-12 14:22:41	susi	oh, it's not
2022-05-12 14:38:51	Bayes	hm, I'm getting more "WARNING:Possibly missing firmware for module" than before
2022-05-12 14:39:26	lf94	warning: installing archlinux
2022-05-12 14:39:52	mpan	Bayes: for fallback only? Is that causing any trouble while booting? If not, I believe you may ignore. But, to be sure, post the exact name missing. Perhaps someone will notice anything suspicious.
2022-05-12 14:41:13	Bayes	mpan no trouble so far, and yup it seems it's for fallback
2022-05-12 14:41:25	Bayes	here's the printout with the module names http://ix.io/3XAs
2022-05-12 14:42:16	mpan	Which one is the new one?
2022-05-12 14:42:59	susi	I get exactly the same ones
2022-05-12 14:43:42	susi	I think bfa and qed are 'new' ones
2022-05-12 14:44:42	Bayes	I used to get aic94xx and another other AFAIK, they used to be only 2
2022-05-12 14:45:04	Scimmia	see the news on the front page
2022-05-12 14:45:39	Dreamer3	does xrandr only support even multiples?
2022-05-12 14:46:03	susi	it's probably related to linux-firmware package splitting
2022-05-12 14:46:53	jelle	Dreamer3: multiples?
2022-05-12 14:47:09	Dreamer3	yeah like 2x2
2022-05-12 14:47:22	Dreamer3	i was trying uneven multiples but i just get a BadMatch error
2022-05-12 14:48:08	susi	just `xrandr` and it shows the supported modes, which are probably extracted from EDIDs
2022-05-12 14:50:50	Dreamer3	yeah but i was using scale 2x2, which isn't any of the supported modes and it worked
2022-05-12 14:53:10	Bayes	Scimmia I don't seem to find anything pertinent in the News?
2022-05-12 14:53:11	mpan	Bayes: to give the background: some modules must inject firmware into the devices to make it run. That firmware is almost universally binary blobs from manufacturers. The warning simply means those were not found for some modules, which by itself is not a problem if you do not use them.
2022-05-12 14:53:34	mpan	Bayes: the firmware blobs are provided by the linux-firmware package and possibly directly from manufacturers.
2022-05-12 14:53:37	Scimmia	Bayes: "linux-firmware 20220119.0c6a7b3-2 requires kernel >=5.3 and package splitting"
2022-05-12 14:54:34	Bayes	mpan so the device needs a firmware, the module will inject the corresponding firmware which is provided by the linux-firmware package
2022-05-12 14:55:06	Bayes	and the warning is simply saying that "we didn't find a firmware (in linux-firmware or similar) to inject into this module"
2022-05-12 14:55:11	Bayes	getting that right?
2022-05-12 15:04:54	mpan	Bayes: yes. With what Scimmia said, that the package is now split into multiple packages.
2022-05-12 15:05:55	aruhier	Hi, I'm subscribe to the arch-announce mailing list from a long time, but I would like to unregister one address to move to a new one. However, I don't have an account on list.archlinux.org with this address. How can I remove myself from the ML?
2022-05-12 15:08:09	Khorne	Send cookies to the ML admins
2022-05-12 15:08:19	Bayes	mpan Scimmia oh sweet, thanks for the help <3
2022-05-12 15:08:46	Bayes	I'm picking up linux and arch specifically on the go, so some things are... fuzzy to me still (⌒_⌒;)
2022-05-12 15:09:01	aruhier	Khorne: :D
2022-05-12 15:09:23	aruhier	actually, when I registered my other address, there's some indications about what to do by email if you need to unregister
2022-05-12 15:10:58	Khorne	aruhier, https://lists.archlinux.org/listinfo/arch-announce see bottom part
2022-05-12 15:10:59	phrik	Title: Arch-announce - lists.archlinux.org (at lists.archlinux.org)
2022-05-12 15:12:01	Khorne	Uh, funny..
2022-05-12 15:12:12	aruhier	I've sent an email to arch-announce-request@lists.archlinux.org
2022-05-12 15:12:20	jelle	aruhier: check the headers, you can probably mail to unsub
2022-05-12 15:12:46	Khorne	aruhier, https://lists.archlinux.org/accounts/login/?next=/mailman3/lists/arch-announce.lists.archlinux.org/ 
2022-05-12 15:12:47	phrik	Title: Sign In (at lists.archlinux.org)
2022-05-12 15:12:49	Khorne	forgot password
2022-05-12 15:12:57	Khorne	jelle, why is that list on a different mailman version lol
2022-05-12 15:13:25	jelle	Khorne: wut
2022-05-12 15:13:33	jelle	Khorne: because we are moving to the future my friend
2022-05-12 15:13:43	Khorne	one slowass list at a time
2022-05-12 15:13:47	jelle	wow
2022-05-12 15:13:49	Khorne	play less steamdeck, improve more arch
2022-05-12 15:13:56	Khorne	are the nvidia drivers in yet
2022-05-12 15:14:10	jelle	LOL
2022-05-12 15:14:16	jelle	Khorne: yes, but they are 100% useless
2022-05-12 15:14:37	Khorne	How come?
2022-05-12 15:14:48	Khorne	Not actual drivers but just interfaces?
2022-05-12 15:14:53	aruhier	Khorne: forgot password says that my address is not registered
2022-05-12 15:14:55	aruhier	that's the issue
2022-05-12 15:14:57	jelle	haha
2022-05-12 15:15:08	Khorne	aruhier, do you have a forward somewhere else maybe?
2022-05-12 15:15:26	aruhier	nope
2022-05-12 15:15:42	Khorne	shame
2022-05-12 15:15:55	aruhier	but I mean, I subscribed something like 8 years ago
2022-05-12 15:16:07	jelle	aruhier: Send a mail to the list unsubscribe address, which will be of the form LISTNAME-leave@DOMAIN. The subject and body of this message will be ignored, so it doesn't matter what you put there.
2022-05-12 15:16:30	aruhier	ha great, thanks jelle 
2022-05-12 15:16:38	jelle	aruhier: lemme see what it is
2022-05-12 15:16:42	aruhier	yeah I couldn't find any signature in my recent emails that indicated that
2022-05-12 15:17:07	jelle	aruhier: arch-announce-leave@lists.archlinux.org
2022-05-12 15:17:21	jelle	aruhier: it's in the mail headers: List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:arch-announce-leave@lists.archlinux.org>
2022-05-12 15:17:57	aruhier	haaa, ok, I didn't get that
2022-05-12 15:18:01	aruhier	I'm stupid, I should have checked
2022-05-12 15:19:22	aruhier	jelle: that worked, thanks!
2022-05-12 15:22:47	jelle	np
2022-05-12 15:57:35	mystiquewolf	Hi, I've just installed pgadmin4 package and it fails to start, GUI shows "Starting pgAdmin4" server and stays stuck that way. If i start if from the terminal it shows repeated tries with errors about not being able to connect to the server on port so and so.
2022-05-12 15:57:36	mystiquewolf	So i tried to start pgadmin4-server command in terminal and I got Python app exception about not being able to create "/var/lib/pgadmin" directory. I created it manually and tried again. Now it complains it can't create "/var/log/pgadmin"...
2022-05-12 15:58:26	susi	permissions?
2022-05-12 15:58:41	mystiquewolf	I can see where this goes... So /var/lib and /var/log are both owned by root and only owner can write to them
2022-05-12 16:00:00	mystiquewolf	But what i don't get is whether this should be somehow considered as a package bug? That it doesn't create these folders upon install of package? Or the issue is with my system? And if so, do all users of Arch just basically have non-working pgAdmin4 app upon installation
2022-05-12 16:00:09	mystiquewolf	Cause that's not normal IMO
2022-05-12 16:02:25	mystiquewolf	FWIW my user is not root
2022-05-12 16:09:02	BrainDamage	can you specify those paths as arguments?
2022-05-12 16:14:46	mystiquewolf	Not sure.. looking at the options there is some option --sqlitePath which is supposed to load some .db SQLite file containing some config
2022-05-12 16:16:04	mystiquewolf	Probably would have to check this further..
2022-05-12 16:16:04	mystiquewolf	But that said, I'm not even sure if pgadmin4-server is the executable that pgadmin4 tries to start. I bet that is should be, as its UI explicitly says "Starting pgAdmin4 server"
2022-05-12 16:17:20	BrainDamage	when in doubt, check the pkgbuild: https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/blob/packages/pgadmin4/trunk/PKGBUILD#L131
2022-05-12 16:18:01	BrainDamage	looks like a thin wrapper/launcher
2022-05-12 16:26:50	mystiquewolf	Thanks, i knew the file came with the package, but wasn't completely sure if it started the server. Now I see that it does so.
2022-05-12 16:26:50	mystiquewolf	Still somehow think that during installation the package should create its needed folders with needed permissions and shouldn't have this issue
2022-05-12 16:28:40	damjan	in recent times /var/log/<pkgname> and /var/lib/<pkgname> can be created with the State/LogDirectory in the systemd service
2022-05-12 16:30:15	damjan	and those will even work if the service is DynamicUser=true - which means there's no need for creating a user in /etc/passwd,group,shadow either
2022-05-12 16:31:40	mystiquewolf	Not sure if this package ships with a systemd service, gonna have to check the PKGBUILD again :)
2022-05-12 16:36:36	mystiquewolf	It doesn't. AFAIU you damjan what you say is a way to make the needed directories upon systemd service install/enable/start? And should be a note to the packager?
2022-05-12 16:37:25	damjan	yes, those directives make sure the directories are there when the service is started
2022-05-12 16:37:33	mystiquewolf	Should i file a bug at arch bugtracker for the package? I'm pretty sure the packager would fix it, IF it is supposed to be a bug
2022-05-12 16:38:08	damjan	for ex. https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/olaris.service?h=olaris-git
2022-05-12 16:38:08	phrik	Title: olaris.service - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-05-12 16:38:21	BrainDamage	that's not correct
2022-05-12 16:39:00	BrainDamage	the directories are created when systemd-tmpfiles new is executed, and because of a pacman hook, that's executed as soon as the package finish installing
2022-05-12 16:39:06	BrainDamage	that also applies for creating a user
2022-05-12 16:39:28	BrainDamage	and it's independent from using a .service or not
2022-05-12 16:39:54	BrainDamage	however, without a .service file, it'd still be your responsibility to call the program as the correct use to ensure rw access to those dirs
2022-05-12 16:40:31	jensen	i never explcitly installed wireplumber so it got installed by pipewire-pulse. but when i reboot my system, audio stops working and i need to manually restart wireplumber. then i see it was disabled from autostarting even though the default is enabled. anyone know how this could be the case? i never disabled it (i didn't even know anything about wireplumber)
2022-05-12 16:41:09	housemate	my audio is still not working, and I would really appreciate it if somebody could help me diagnose this issue.
2022-05-12 16:41:14	housemate	it is REALLY annoying me...
2022-05-12 16:41:32	housemate	this is the message I am seeing when I type 'journalctl --user --unit pulseaudio'
2022-05-12 16:41:40	Ghosthree3	housemate: install pipewire-pulse and reboot, if its still not working ask again
2022-05-12 16:42:22	housemate	-- Boot 7e6d2d37619c456e9413f5bb6dbcd771 --
2022-05-12 16:42:23	housemate	May 12 19:59:38 saturn systemd[1157]: Starting Sound Service...
2022-05-12 16:42:23	housemate	May 12 19:59:39 saturn pulseaudio[1326]: stat('/etc/pulse/default.pa.d'): No such file or directory
2022-05-12 16:42:23	housemate	May 12 19:59:39 saturn systemd[1157]: Started Sound Service.
2022-05-12 16:42:23	housemate	May 12 20:02:26 saturn pulseaudio[1326]: Failed to create sink input: sink is suspended.
2022-05-12 16:42:27	housemate	oh i see...
2022-05-12 16:42:28	Ghosthree3	alternatively undo the temporary (but now reverted) forced change to wireplumber by installing pipewire-media-session again
2022-05-12 16:42:31	mystiquewolf	Are threads good here?
2022-05-12 16:42:32	housemate	okay I will try this...
2022-05-12 16:42:39	housemate	so far, I have tried;
2022-05-12 16:42:54	housemate	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Failed_to_create_sink_input:_sink_is_suspended_2
2022-05-12 16:42:56	phrik	Title: PulseAudio/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-12 16:43:04	housemate	and the section below it, also. creating that file.
2022-05-12 16:43:05	Ghosthree3	housemate: please just try installing pipewire-pulse, this hit a LOT of people and this has been the quickest fix
2022-05-12 16:43:11	Ghosthree3	assuming your audio broke 2-3 days ago
2022-05-12 16:43:19	Ghosthree3	or within the last 2-3 days
2022-05-12 16:43:20	housemate	oh wow, okay. sure. I am excited!
2022-05-12 16:43:28	housemate	yes, indeed. it did
2022-05-12 16:43:33	housemate	trying this now, thanks!
2022-05-12 16:44:33	mystiquewolf	BrainDamage not sure if you received something, just to know i tried a new feature of Element Matrix chat with which i am bridged to IRC, it has threads but i forgot it was just bridged to IRC
2022-05-12 16:44:57	BrainDamage	no, I didn't
2022-05-12 16:45:35	BrainDamage	mystiquewolf: your last message was about opening a ticket on the bugtracker
2022-05-12 16:45:55	BrainDamage	ah, nvm there was a "are threads good here?"
2022-05-12 16:46:19	mystiquewolf	So probably you might have not received anything... nevermind, sorry again.
2022-05-12 16:46:19	mystiquewolf	So am i supposed to open a bug or not? I can make these directories myself as i said, but looks like bug to me
2022-05-12 16:48:12	BrainDamage	I am not familiar, is it correct that the -server is a console only program?
2022-05-12 16:49:06	damjan	isn't pgadmin4 a desktop application?
2022-05-12 16:51:53	mystiquewolf	LOL it's complicated. It's supposed to be both a desktop and a web application i think. Something like Electron in concept but with Python. I think that it starts something that renders an html inside it
2022-05-12 16:53:11	mystiquewolf	From the site:
2022-05-12 16:53:11	mystiquewolf	pgAdmin 4 is a complete rewrite of pgAdmin, built using Python and Javascript/jQuery. A desktop runtime written in NWjs allows it to run standalone for individual users, or the web application code may be deployed directly on a web server for use by one or more users through their web browser. The software has the look and feels of a desktop application whatever the runtime environment is, and
2022-05-12 16:53:11	mystiquewolf	vastly improves on pgAdmin III with
2022-05-12 16:53:11	mystiquewolf	updated user interface elements, multi-user/web deployment options, dashboards, and a more modern design.
2022-05-12 16:54:31	mystiquewolf	I think we've got enough here and it starts to look like spam, better for me to open a bug and the maintaner will close it if its not considered bug. 
2022-05-12 16:59:30	housemate	thank you so muc, Ghosthree3 !!!
2022-05-12 16:59:33	housemate	it works!
2022-05-12 16:59:34	housemate	:-D
2022-05-12 16:59:57	Ghosthree3	thats good, unfortunate that that hit just about every gnome and kde user
2022-05-12 17:01:12	tpowa	Erus_Iluvatar, thx for the wiki changes :D
2022-05-12 17:01:35	Erus_Iluvatar	No problem :)
2022-05-12 17:01:52	tpowa	now with colors great :)
2022-05-12 17:02:21	Erus_Iluvatar	It was tempting me for a while ^^
2022-05-12 17:03:52	Erus_Iluvatar	I'm sure i've missed some stuff since I was doing this from my phone, so I'll probably do a second pass when i'm off from work and my kids will be asleep
2022-05-12 17:04:09	tpowa	Erus_Iluvatar, very appreciated
2022-05-12 17:04:37	Erus_Iluvatar	Should I assume all the commands where you did not explicitly say to run them as root are to be executed as user? 
2022-05-12 17:08:22	tpowa	Erus_Iluvatar, no all commands should be run as root
2022-05-12 17:08:25	virtx	hi
2022-05-12 17:09:41	susi	o/
2022-05-12 17:09:52	virtx	I did a system update and from yesterday my audio is not working anymore, to make it work  Ineed to switch the output device to the monitor and switch back to the builtin to make it works, is this something known?
2022-05-12 17:10:11	susi	virtx: it's most likely a pulseaudio/pipewire conflict
2022-05-12 17:10:21	virtx	how can I solve it?
2022-05-12 17:10:29	susi	replace pulseaudio with pipewire-pulse
2022-05-12 17:10:35	tpowa	Erus_Iluvatar, on archboot environment there is only root and for assembling images you need also root.
2022-05-12 17:10:42	Erus_Iluvatar	tpowa: even the qemu ones at the end?
2022-05-12 17:10:48	tpowa	no that one not
2022-05-12 17:10:54	tpowa	qemu runs as user
2022-05-12 17:10:58	virtx	susi, you mean remvoe pulseaudio completely and install pipewire-pulse?
2022-05-12 17:11:12	Erus_Iluvatar	Thanks ! I was suspecting it, but i'm not too familiar with them ^^
2022-05-12 17:11:14	DeepDayze	what about wireplumber?
2022-05-12 17:11:20	DeepDayze	is that also another option>
2022-05-12 17:11:27	tpowa	Erus_Iluvatar, yes sure :)
2022-05-12 17:11:47	susi	virtx: this is one option, but not sure if it's the right one for you: just pacman -S pipewire-pulse, and when it asks about removing pulseaudio due to conflict, yes
2022-05-12 17:12:07	susi	pipewire-pulse ought to be a drop-in replacement anyways
2022-05-12 17:12:26	tpowa	Erus_Iluvatar, also the scripts have a root detection to abort if not run as root
2022-05-12 17:13:16	Erus_Iluvatar	Excellent, so i'll add the root prompts on all commands except the qemu ones at the end :)
2022-05-12 17:13:27	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-05-12 17:14:52	Ghosthree3	DeepDayze: wireplumber is the cause of the problem
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2022-05-12 17:15:12	DeepDayze	ah ok
2022-05-12 17:15:14	DeepDayze	my bad
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2022-05-12 17:16:17	tpowa	Erus_Iluvatar, thx
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2022-05-12 17:16:43	tpowa	Erus_Iluvatar, the ssh command does not need root
2022-05-12 17:16:55	tpowa	you call it as user to login
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2022-05-12 17:17:33	Erus_Iluvatar	I think I've already used the $ prompt for it ? 
2022-05-12 17:17:36	Erus_Iluvatar	Lemme check 
2022-05-12 17:17:53	Erus_Iluvatar	Yes! 
2022-05-12 17:18:12	Erus_Iluvatar	An thank you for the long term contributions!
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2022-05-12 17:35:53	Furai	tchan,
2022-05-12 17:36:06	Furai	Uhh, sorry didn't mean to highlight that person.
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2022-05-12 17:47:56	arjab	Recently Rhythmbox got updated and not only is the icon in my taskbar broken, but all of my hand-picked music isn't there anymore. Has anybody experienced anything similar and has an idea what could've caused this?
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2022-05-12 17:50:20	Sid	arjab: If you revert that package, does it fix itself?
2022-05-12 17:50:37	arjab	Sid I'll give it it try.
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2022-05-12 17:51:53	Sid	"sudo pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/rhythmbox-3.4.4-5-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst" (I think)
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2022-05-12 17:53:25	Sid	Looks like the PKGBUILD (https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commit/351c01b0102685fe6e210edf928c61623b29fbd9) changed quite drastically. If you don't get a response here, I'd open a bug report
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2022-05-12 18:01:15	arjab	Sid Thanks, downgradeing fixed the icon, but I suspect I messed something up with the actual location of my media files. I'll take a look into it and maybe file a bug report, when it's actually related to Rhythmbox.
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2022-05-12 18:12:09	arjab	Note to self, Rhythmbox is not able to follow softlinks to media files. "Fixed" it.
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2022-05-12 18:32:00	mohan43u	does anyone know how long ix.io will keep the data?
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2022-05-12 18:32:26	mohan43u	!paste
2022-05-12 18:32:27	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-05-12 18:32:56	mohan43u	!ix
2022-05-12 18:32:56	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
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2022-05-12 18:33:16	mohan43u	!rx
2022-05-12 18:33:16	phrik	mohan43u: Eh?
2022-05-12 18:33:23	mohan43u	!rs
2022-05-12 18:33:23	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
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2022-05-12 19:54:28	Erus_Iluvatar	tpowa: i'm updating what I had missed in the first run, I have a semi-technical question for you, is it necessary to use the specific driver.modeset=0 or could we recommand the generic nomodeset option instead of the whole list? 
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2022-05-12 19:58:42	oatmealraisin	Hello, I'm trying to use `pass` from a systemd user service (mbsync as outlined in the isync wiki page). Is there a way to configure the service or gpg to give this service access to the key after the first successful password entry?
2022-05-12 19:59:07	oatmealraisin	Right now, It reasks me the password to my key frequently, i'd much prefer it to just ask once for that service only
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2022-05-13 17:46:10	mesaoptimizer	for LUKS on a partition, when adding kernel parameters to grub, should the `device-UUID` be for `/dev/sda2` or `/dev/mapper/root`? I ask because I added the `/dev/sda2` one and grub keeps complaining about not finding the device
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2022-05-13 17:48:16	Khorne	mesaoptimizer, depends on what device-UUID is used for, cryptdevice should be the disk where your luks container is, root= should be the decrypted mapper device
2022-05-13 17:48:22	Ghosthree3	mesaoptimizer: sda2
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2022-05-13 17:48:50	Ghosthree3	you tell the initramfs to decrypt the partition and map it to /dev/mapper/root, then fstab mounts the system using the uuid for that afterwards
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2022-05-13 17:49:54	mesaoptimizer	Yes, I know this. I've decided to go through the reinstall process again just in case I missed something.
2022-05-13 17:50:00	Khorne	fstab doesn't mount anything and /dev/mapper/root isn't a UUID
2022-05-13 17:50:08	Ghosthree3	if the args are right perhaps you didn't include the right modules
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2022-05-13 17:50:18	mesaoptimizer	fstab only matters *once* you have done the whole initial ramdisk thing afaik
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2022-05-13 17:50:59	mesaoptimizer	no, I included all the relevant modules in `mkinitcpio.conf`.
2022-05-13 17:51:09	Ghosthree3	Khorne: then why does my fstab contain the UUID matching my /dev/mapper/root filesystem and was put there automatically by genfstab?
2022-05-13 17:51:30	Khorne	Be that as it may, but "/dev/mapper/root" isn't a UUID
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2022-05-13 17:51:50	Ghosthree3	dont think anyone ever said that string was a uuid
2022-05-13 17:51:51	mesaoptimizer	`/dev/mapper/root` does have its own different UUID
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2022-05-13 17:52:04	Khorne	genfstab puts whatever you tell it to into /etc/fstab, can be a label, can be a device node, can be a UUID
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2022-05-13 17:52:21	Ghosthree3	you'll note i said the uuid _for_ /dev/mapper/root
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2022-05-13 17:53:35	Ghosthree3	although i suppose what actually mounts it to / is the root= arg and not fstab
2022-05-13 17:53:55	mesaoptimizer	question, how do you wipe out the filesystem table so you can use existing partitions?
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2022-05-13 17:54:08	Ghosthree3	i think you can just mkfs on top of it
2022-05-13 17:54:16	mesaoptimizer	oh, that's all? all right
2022-05-13 17:54:42	Ghosthree3	there's also ways to `wipefs` but i dont think you need to?
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2022-05-13 18:07:47	mesaoptimizer	all right! fixed it!
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2022-05-13 18:08:21	mesaoptimizer	got my arch linux minimum install time down from 3 hours to 1 hour 10 minutes :D
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2022-05-13 18:10:10	Ghosthree3	i wrote out the lines i run and just paste them now, takes 5m or so excluding dl times
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2022-05-13 18:10:48	mesaoptimizer	yeah but FDE is a pain in the ass, how do you have scripts to... okay, you probably use `sed`
2022-05-13 18:10:56	Ghosthree3	yes
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2022-05-13 18:11:54	Ghosthree3	i cat lines into the bootloader conf file with a placeholder then run `sed -i "s/<UUID_HERE>/$(lsblk -dno UUID /dev/sdX2)/" /boot/loader/entries/arch.conf`
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2022-05-13 18:15:18	mesaoptimizer	huh
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2022-05-13 18:17:23	Ghosthree3	it helps that dracut just werks without any module additions (or worse, ordering), all i need is the correct kernel args, so i would not consider FDE a pita
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2022-05-13 18:19:24	mesaoptimizer	I use `useradd username` and `username` doesn't have `/home/username` as its home directory. Why?
2022-05-13 18:19:45	mesaoptimizer	s/and/and then I see that
2022-05-13 18:20:05	Ghosthree3	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Users_and_groups?useskinversion=1#User_management
2022-05-13 18:20:07	phrik	Title: Users and groups - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-13 18:20:09	Ghosthree3	you probably wanted -m
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2022-05-13 18:21:04	grtcdr	Hey guys, can anybody point my in the right direction with the
2022-05-13 18:21:06	grtcdr	usage of the compose key? I use a keyboard with an FR(ench)
2022-05-13 18:21:08	grtcdr	layout, xkeyboard-config offers a functionality to set up the
2022-05-13 18:21:10	grtcdr	compose key, but I haven't been successful in utilizing it (I use Sway if that's relevant). I would like to set it to a key and
2022-05-13 18:21:12	grtcdr	still retain the key's functionality. I'm looking at
2022-05-13 18:21:14	grtcdr	the "compose:*" options, but I don't know what to pick.
2022-05-13 18:21:19	mesaoptimizer	Ghosthree3: great, thank you
2022-05-13 18:21:49	Ghosthree3	grtcdr: xkeyboard sounds like a xorg tool so there's little wonder it doesnt work under sway (wayland)
2022-05-13 18:21:50	grtcdr	I should preface that by saying that I know how to set the option, I would just like to get some suggestions on which compose:* option is best.
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2022-05-13 18:21:59	grtcdr	Ghosthree3: It works wonderfully actually.
2022-05-13 18:22:25	mingdao	Edu4rdSHL: Thanks for the explanation the other day.  ;)  I read, learned, and now:  May 13 11:20:49 server systemd-networkd[333]: eth0: DHCPv4 address 192.168.100.3/24, gateway 192.168.100.1 acquired from 192.168.100.1
2022-05-13 18:22:26	grtcdr	Keyboard input was mostly untouched in Wayland, it can utilize (some) X org input tools with no issues.
2022-05-13 18:22:38	Ghosthree3	oh thats interesting
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2022-05-13 18:22:56	grtcdr	Does anybody here make use of the compose key?
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2022-05-13 18:23:11	Ghosthree3	when i did i set it to right-alt because i never needed its functionality :(
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2022-05-13 18:23:22	mingdao	What is the compose key?
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2022-05-13 18:23:51	artefact	it's like a dead key for dead keys
2022-05-13 18:24:03	mingdao	All my dead keys are in a bag.
2022-05-13 18:24:08	artefact	for example compose + o + / may give you ø
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2022-05-13 18:24:21	mingdao	Looking at 5 different kbds, nothing says compose.
2022-05-13 18:24:24	artefact	or compose + e + - may give you €
2022-05-13 18:24:40	artefact	it's xkb terminology, mingdao 
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2022-05-13 18:24:51	mingdao	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compose_key
2022-05-13 18:24:51	phrik	Title: Compose key - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2022-05-13 18:24:54	Edu4rdSHL	mingdao, great :)
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2022-05-13 18:25:12	Edu4rdSHL	I hope that all your issues have gone
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2022-05-13 18:26:40	mingdao	Edu4rdSHL: It worked okay with dhclient, and I didn't know about systemd-networkd.  Once you explained it, and I read, it was quite easy to setup and remove dhclient software.  I like my servers to be lean, so thanks for the lengthier explanation you gave answering my `why` use it.
2022-05-13 18:26:45	grtcdr	Ghosthree3: Right alt allows me to use some pretty important symbols, like ~, ^, etc. If I give that up, I wouldn't be able to use them, unless I'm missing something.
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2022-05-13 18:27:08	artefact	grtcdr: english natives don't use altgr
2022-05-13 18:27:13	Edu4rdSHL	!give mingdao beer
2022-05-13 18:27:13	phrik	mingdao: http://pic.53280.de/factoids/beer.jpg
2022-05-13 18:27:16	Ghosthree3	huh, ive never come across that, but that's very unfortunate
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2022-05-13 18:27:57	mesaoptimizer	does it make any sense to use AUR packages of compiled WMs like `dwm` and `xmonad`?
2022-05-13 18:27:58	mingdao	Edu4rdSHL: Sometimes being on the spectrum, it's difficult to make the words in my head work for people.  Coding, no problem.  And I have my 42 shirt on atm.  You did a great job once you, I assume, realized I wasn't trolling but really curious.
2022-05-13 18:28:12	mesaoptimizer	I mean, I obviously want to configure it, and I'm unsure how that works with the use of AUR
2022-05-13 18:28:26	Ghosthree3	grtcdr: caps-lock or right ctrl then, if you have to give up a key? both might have minor use cases but not mandatory ones? especially right ctrl
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2022-05-13 18:29:00	artefact	mesaoptimizer: not sure what you mean, but usually you makepkg -o, tweak the source, then makepkg -e
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2022-05-13 18:29:29	rcf	grtcdr: in my own use, when altgr is required or otherwise unsuitable I go for the menu key instead 
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2022-05-13 18:29:34	rcf	As I've never actually used it 
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2022-05-13 18:29:42	artefact	yeah, the menu key (if you have one) is often used as compose
2022-05-13 18:29:44	mesaoptimizer	huh. I've only used `yay` my entire time with arch
2022-05-13 18:30:01	Ghosthree3	'with arch'
2022-05-13 18:30:05	◣	nortega (~nortega@user/nortega) ha salido (Client Quit)
2022-05-13 18:30:06	gehidore	^
2022-05-13 18:30:14	artefact	i guess nothing in xkb forbids using a combination as compose, eg lctrl+rctrl
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2022-05-13 18:30:59	grtcdr	rcf: I don't think I have a menu key, the layout is FR.
2022-05-13 18:31:31	grtcdr	Ghosthree3: Already using caps lock for ctrl, and I occasionally use right-ctrl, so I'm not ready to give it up just yet.
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2022-05-13 18:31:33	artefact	you probably do. it's between ralt and rctrl here https://media.stockinthechannel.com/pic/eEBI8RpLaEOEQkpDoaxz2Q.r.jpg
2022-05-13 18:31:37	grtcdr	I see lv3:
2022-05-13 18:31:43	grtcdr	Any idea what that is?
2022-05-13 18:32:04	artefact	where?
2022-05-13 18:32:07	rcf	grtcdr: it's on azerty still, next to right ctrl 
2022-05-13 18:32:23	mesaoptimizer	Ghosthree3: oh come on
2022-05-13 18:32:25	grtcdr	rcf: Ah! The fn key?
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2022-05-13 18:32:37	artefact	no. unless your kb exposes fn as its own keycode (most don't)
2022-05-13 18:32:43	rcf	grtcdr: No, next to that. Hopefully. 
2022-05-13 18:32:47	grtcdr	artefact: My mistake, lv3 has nothing to do with lv3.
2022-05-13 18:33:05	artefact	lv3? you mean altgr (iso level3 shift)?
2022-05-13 18:33:06	grtcdr	rcf: For me it's: Ctrl -> Fn --> Super
2022-05-13 18:33:09	Ghosthree3	mesaoptimizer: ? its impossible not to have used makepkg if you also use yay, on arch. you had to have at _least_ built and installed yay
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2022-05-13 18:33:31	rcf	Ah, you've got a weird one 
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2022-05-13 18:33:53	artefact	fn on the right, that's unusual. well, my current one also has it on the right
2022-05-13 18:34:05	grtcdr	Ghosthree3: Yay can be used without building it, their GitHub has a releases section where releases are published.
2022-05-13 18:34:20	◣	raym (~raym@user/raym) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2022-05-13 18:34:20	mesaoptimizer	huh. I do recall you have to use `git clone`and you cannot get `yay` from `pacman`, but it's rather rude to claim I am not using arch.
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2022-05-13 18:34:53	grtcdr	artefact: I don't have my Fn on the right. The bottom row looks like this: Ctrl -> Fn -> Super -> Alt -> SPC -> Alt Gr -> Ctrl.
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2022-05-13 18:35:14	rcf	Ah, so they did omit the menu key indeed,. 
2022-05-13 18:35:15	artefact	you don't have a menu key, then. laptop keyboard?
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2022-05-13 18:35:31	rcf	Fn would make that likely 
2022-05-13 18:35:32	Ghosthree3	mesaoptimizer: i mean it was a manjaro/endeavour red flag to be fair, since it comes preinstalled on many forks (though endeavour seems compatible). i wouldnt frame it rude
2022-05-13 18:35:50	grtcdr	rcf: Yes, laptop manufacturers ship FR layouts to Tunisia, and most (if not all) laptops I've used, share my same layout.
2022-05-13 18:36:10	grtcdr	I think I'll give up right-ctrl.
2022-05-13 18:36:23	artefact	technically, most keyboard have usually 12 or 13 fn keys ;-)
2022-05-13 18:36:35	grtcdr	I have 12 on mine.
2022-05-13 18:37:15	grtcdr	compose:rctrl-altgr is listed as one of the options, does that mean that I can use compose by simulatenously pressing right ctrl and right alt.
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2022-05-13 18:37:25	grtcdr	?*
2022-05-13 18:37:29	artefact	sounds like it yes
2022-05-13 18:37:37	grtcdr	artefact: I'll give it a go, thank you :)
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2022-05-13 18:38:09	gehidore	mesaoptimizer as soon as you made that statement a large amount of folks here myself included are going to be operating on the belief you're on an arch based distro as we deal with this every single day "I'm on arch and x is broken help!" only to find out they're on manjaro or some other thing and it has nothing to do with arch at all that x is broken so we've all wasted our time and effort.
2022-05-13 18:38:10	◣	slashasdf (~slashasdf@030-245-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-05-13 18:38:35	artefact	so many unused keys on my keyboard. i could almost have gone for a 60%, but they're not very ergonomic
2022-05-13 18:39:07	mesaoptimizer	yep yep, it's just I *don't* want that ire directed to me when I'm actually using arch.
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2022-05-13 18:39:22	Namarrgon	we hose down everyone who doesn't know how to use makepkg
2022-05-13 18:39:35	⚡ 	gehidore readies the decontamination fluid
2022-05-13 18:39:45	Ghosthree3	mesaoptimizer: yes, i did see you were literally installing arch not 20 minutes ago up above, no doubt you are
2022-05-13 18:39:56	artefact	(not really, we don't. but this channel is not really for arch forks support) 👍
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2022-05-13 18:41:23	mesaoptimizer	Ghosthree3: please stop claiming I am deceiving this channel.
2022-05-13 18:41:35	Ghosthree3	i...literally just defended you but ok
2022-05-13 18:41:46	artefact	oh! oh! irc drama!  x8
2022-05-13 18:41:58	gehidore	if you are we'll find you out, carry on
2022-05-13 18:42:00	gehidore	!lenny
2022-05-13 18:42:00	mesaoptimizer	... I apologize then.
2022-05-13 18:42:01	phrik	( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
2022-05-13 18:42:07	artefact	!bail
2022-05-13 18:42:08	phrik	Looks like artefact is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-05-13 18:42:25	Ghosthree3	was just clarifying to anyone who missed it that you are indeed not using a fork so help would not be wasted
2022-05-13 18:42:30	Lenny_	!fuckyou
2022-05-13 18:42:31	phrik	http://i.imgur.com/c9azGnu.gif
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2022-05-13 18:42:36	teraflops	!armedshrug
2022-05-13 18:42:36	phrik	🔫_(ツ)_💣
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2022-05-13 18:42:54	artefact	!assss
2022-05-13 18:42:54	phrik	Most problems can be created by installing Arch
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2022-05-13 18:46:38	mesaoptimizer	oh btw, `nethack` is broken
2022-05-13 18:47:07	artefact	!errors
2022-05-13 18:47:07	phrik	Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2022-05-13 18:47:13	mesaoptimizer	I don't get it, but if you install nethack, you can't run it unless you run it as root, and even then there are strange error messages that pop up. Not very ideal
2022-05-13 18:47:59	mesaoptimizer	Here you go. https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/a8yUktTq/
2022-05-13 18:48:00	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-05-13 18:48:22	artefact	i can reproduce here
2022-05-13 18:48:28	mesaoptimizer	you need to run it as root for `nethack` to run properly. Why? I'm not sure. Is this standard nethack behavior?
2022-05-13 18:48:33	artefact	no
2022-05-13 18:48:36	artefact	definitely, no
2022-05-13 18:49:02	mesaoptimizer	imagine starting `nethack` and getting hacked... nominative determinism
2022-05-13 18:49:05	Namarrgon	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73353
2022-05-13 18:49:07	phrik	Title: FS#73353 : [nethack] setgid nethack can't write game files (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2022-05-13 18:49:51	artefact	it's usually more fun to play on alt.org anyway ;-)
2022-05-13 18:49:59	artefact	if only for bragging rights
2022-05-13 18:50:17	mesaoptimizer	thank you
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2022-05-13 19:07:18	grtcdr	xkeyboard-config question: Can I swap Caps lock and shift, while also having the new caps lock location act as a ctrl, (through sway's xkb_options functionality)
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2022-05-13 19:10:46	jab416171	Ghosthree3, oh don't worry I'm not, it's still exciting news though
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2022-05-13 19:10:56	Ghosthree3	it is
2022-05-13 19:11:29	jab416171	do I have to add the testing repo to my pacman conf or is there a way to grab a one off package?
2022-05-13 19:12:26	Ghosthree3	i think you can pacman -U the weblink?
2022-05-13 19:12:32	jab416171	oh nice
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2022-05-13 19:13:21	Ghosthree3	if not you can dl the package file then -U it directly
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2022-05-13 19:24:58	jab416171	I wouldn't get updates that way right?
2022-05-13 19:25:30	Ghosthree3	you would get updates if the package in the repo is a higher version number than the package you have installed (and has the same name)
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2022-05-13 19:25:59	jab416171	even if I don't have `testing` in my repos?
2022-05-13 19:26:26	Ghosthree3	it would be comparing against whatever repos you DO have
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2022-05-13 19:26:55	jab416171	right, so if it gets updated in testing I won't get the update, is what I was saying
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2022-05-13 19:27:03	Ghosthree3	so no you wont get updates automatically from testing if that's what you're asking. but once the package in the main repo is newer than the version you pulled from testing previously it would be updated
2022-05-13 19:27:10	Ghosthree3	yes
2022-05-13 19:27:11	jab416171	ah gotcha
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2022-05-13 19:27:14	jab416171	makes sense :)
2022-05-13 19:27:43	ayekat	assuming -S(y)u and not -S(y)uu
2022-05-13 19:28:00	jab416171	uu will check testing?
2022-05-13 19:28:29	jab416171	oh, enables downgrades
2022-05-13 19:28:33	Ghosthree3	-u, --sysupgrade     upgrade installed packages (-uu enables downgrades)
2022-05-13 19:28:33	ayekat	no, uu will install the version from the repo even if it's older
2022-05-13 19:28:33	Scimmia	No, ayekat is assuming the package exists in non-testing
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2022-05-13 19:28:34	jab416171	I've never tried that
2022-05-13 19:28:47	jab416171	I have done yy, but not uu
2022-05-13 19:28:57	Ghosthree3	never done uu either probably never will
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2022-05-13 19:29:04	ayekat	ah, a package that doesn't exist in the non-testing repos yet? I should probably read the first part of the conversation...
2022-05-13 19:29:05	jab416171	yeah don't see a reason to
2022-05-13 19:29:14	jab416171	yes ayekat, nvidia-open :)
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2022-05-13 20:16:15	pulec	hello, anyone uses obs-studio and obs-studio-git and knows about the differences?  
2022-05-13 20:16:30	pulec	-git version has for example browser input
2022-05-13 20:16:35	pulec	but misses audio monitoring I require
2022-05-13 20:17:48	Namarrgon	the AUR -git equivalent doesn't always follow the official PKGBUILD
2022-05-13 20:18:13	artefact	tweak the configure flags yourself
2022-05-13 20:18:14	Namarrgon	i.e. they are not always drop-in replacements for official packages
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2022-05-13 20:18:45	pulec	oh enat https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/blob/packages/obs-studio/trunk/PKGBUILD
2022-05-13 20:18:48	pulec	*neat
2022-05-13 20:19:09	artefact	you can also use asp export
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2022-05-13 20:22:09	iotku	pulec: if you're a flatpak user the OBS flatpak is the "offical" method which has most plugins (incl. browser source) and whatnot
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2022-05-13 20:22:48	iotku	Can be far less of a hassle flatpak quirks (like nvidia drivers needing to be same in flatpak) aside
2022-05-13 20:23:00	pulec	but flatpaks, meh...
2022-05-13 20:23:26	iotku	Aye
2022-05-13 20:24:23	iotku	Been smooth sailing for me aside from propritary nvidia driver drama w/ [testing]
2022-05-13 20:24:48	bittin	i need to run linux-lts as my NVIDIA card is so old
2022-05-13 20:24:58	bittin	have to save up money and get a new GPU
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2022-05-13 20:28:29	iotku	I thought the -lts driver was the same nvidia driver verison just for the -lts kernel but I might be mistaken 
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2022-05-13 20:31:20	teraflops	unless they are using nouveau I guess
2022-05-13 20:32:22	iotku	Ah yeah that's posible, imagine it's /really/ old if they're giving up on it
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2022-05-14 11:14:27	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-05-14 11:14:27	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1464 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1463 normals)
2022-05-14 05:05:11	jensen	someone mentioned putting scripts run by pacman hook in /usr/local/bin since they will be run as root (pacman run as root). i have a user script in ~/bin that doesn't require root permissions, so `Exec = sudo -u $SUDO_USER /home/user/bin/script` is as safe as running the pacman command and running the script manually after? I know to put scripts that require root permission in /usr/local/bin
2022-05-14 05:05:13	jensen	where they require root permissions to be edited. Or maybe all scripts regardless of whether they are run by pacman should be placed in root owned directory like /usr/local/bin for security?
2022-05-14 05:11:04	mpan	jensen: the reason they have to be in a directory like that is exactly to prevent them from being edited, which gives an attacker opportunity to run any code as root. Executing the script as `sudo -u otheruser …` only temporarily changes user and the script itself may trivially regain root privileges by invoking sudo itself.
2022-05-14 05:11:23	Hello71	huh?
2022-05-14 05:13:06	Hello71	if you were publishing this hook for other people to use, then it would probably be better to have some kind of system where users register their own hooks, or it runs on a systemd timer (with condition) or something
2022-05-14 05:13:25	Hello71	for personal use i think your method is basically fine, except it should use setpriv instead of sudo
2022-05-14 05:13:32	mpan	jensen: plus this way the hooks depend on something that is fragile and can be easily damaged.
2022-05-14 05:14:37	Hello71	yes, but maybe you want it to work that way, if the hook is very important
2022-05-14 05:16:03	Hello71	the method is fine but the motivation is dubious
2022-05-14 05:16:06	jensen	i see. so all these ~/bin i see in dotfiles repo should be in /usr/local/bin for best practice? since ~/bin is not directly reachable subdir of root-owned directories. and chown ~/bin wouldn't help with that because regular user can just delete that folder?
2022-05-14 05:16:48	Hello71	"the script itself may trivially regain root privileges by invoking sudo itself" how exactly would that work
2022-05-14 05:19:14	jensen	but honestly, personal data in ~ can easily be deleted by regular user so the caution only pertains to system files, IIUC. personal data is arguable way more valuable, especially on single user desktop system. still good to learn about this and have sys admin mindset
2022-05-14 05:21:22	mpan	Hello71: `sudo whatever`
2022-05-14 05:22:01	Hello71	so your claim is that sudo -u user sudo whoami run as root will return root, regardless of the sudoers configuration?
2022-05-14 05:22:22	mpan	sudo bash -c 'sudo -u THEUSER bash -c "sudo bash -c \"mkdir -v /foo\""'
2022-05-14 05:22:37	mpan	(or just split that into files, if you do not like the escaping mess)
2022-05-14 05:23:09	mpan	The outermost sudo is what pacman will be run with, the middle one is the Exec line from jensen’s hook, the innermost is what the script can do to simply gain root.
2022-05-14 05:23:32	Hello71	that's the same as sudo sudo -u user sudo mkdir -v /foo except with unnecessary bash calls
2022-05-14 05:23:37	Hello71	and it only works if the user can already run sudo
2022-05-14 05:23:53	Hello71	and prompts for a password if the user normally requires a password
2022-05-14 05:24:11	mpan	… which the user already provided to run pacman, so the credentials are cached.
2022-05-14 05:25:00	Scimmia	...except they're not
2022-05-14 05:25:01	Hello71	so your point is that a user which can run arbitrary commands as root can run arbitrary commands as root via this convoluted mechanism? they are Already Through The Hatchway
2022-05-14 05:25:28	mpan	Hello71: yes
2022-05-14 05:25:55	mpan	Scimmia: pretty much they are? Unless I miss something, though to be certain I tested it before giving the answer.
2022-05-14 05:26:15	Hello71	instead of running echo "sudo mkdir -v /foo" > ~/bin/script, just run sudo mkdir -v /foo
2022-05-14 05:26:32	mpan	Hello71: except that will require a password entry?
2022-05-14 05:26:34	Hello71	there is no difference in terms of required sudoers permission or audit logging
2022-05-14 05:26:52	Scimmia	mpan: who says you run pacman with sudo? And why would you give it user credentials when you need root?
2022-05-14 05:26:57	Hello71	what exactly is your threat model
2022-05-14 05:27:19	Hello71	so far all i see is https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20060508-22/?p=31283
2022-05-14 05:27:30	mpan	Scimmia: ok, right. That was my assumption that jensen is not working as root and is invoking pacman with sudo. As the Master Pedant™ I can’t deny there is possibility they are not.
2022-05-14 05:29:03	mpan	Hello71: well, if that is not considered a risk, then why use sudo at all? Just work with root. After all the attacker can just invoke sudo!
2022-05-14 05:30:24	Hello71	your proposed attack is that a user running sudo pacman -Syu and wants to secretly run mkdir -v /foo as root will, instead of just running sudo mkdir -v /foo, would echo "sudo mkdir -v /foo" > ~/bin/script? why does the user care if they enter the password for pacman or the password for mkdir
2022-05-14 05:30:31	Hello71	all they care about is to run mkdir
2022-05-14 05:30:35	mpan	Hello71: no, not the user. The attacker.
2022-05-14 05:30:41	Hello71	who is the attacker
2022-05-14 05:30:45	Hello71	what privileges do they have
2022-05-14 05:30:59	mpan	Are you assuming jensen is worried they themselves will try to attack their system? -.-
2022-05-14 05:34:13	mpan	The question was about whether there are security concerns with using that kind of a solution. Yes, there is a vulnerability: an adversary may use it to silently sneak their code into a context where it will be executed with elevated permissions. This is what the answer is: yes, there is. Under the assumption that pacman is run with sudo, which indeed — Scimmia has properly noticed — may not
2022-05-14 05:34:13	mpan	be true.
2022-05-14 05:35:08	mpan	*Existence* of a potential vulnerability is not dependent on a threat model. It may at most affect whether the vulnerability is of concern or not.
2022-05-14 05:36:24	mpan	I made a bunch of other assumptions, if you want to be more nitpicky than I usually am. For example the computer could be airgapped… damnit, I missed such an obvious situation in which this is not a problem! Such assumptions! :o
2022-05-14 05:36:52	sorta	how can i have curl print the final url given a url? for example "curl [OPTIONS] https://youtu.be" should give the output as "youtube.com"
2022-05-14 05:36:53	phrik	Title: YouTube (at youtu.be)
2022-05-14 05:38:28	TheDcoder	Hi, I got this error while updating:
2022-05-14 05:38:30	TheDcoder	Cannot set file attributes for '/var/log/journal', maybe due to incompatibility in specified attributes, previous=0x10001000, current=0x10001000, expected=0x10801000, ignoring.
2022-05-14 05:38:58	mpan	sorta: --verbose will print all the headers, including a `Location` in case of a redirect.
2022-05-14 05:39:16	TheDcoder	It was after the "( 3/12) Creating temporary files..." hook
2022-05-14 05:39:36	mpan	sorta: no idea if you want to extract JUST that information for use by another program; likely can’t.
2022-05-14 05:40:17	TheDcoder	there were two other similar errors for files under /var/log
2022-05-14 05:40:27	sorta	mpan: well i know that -L follows urls right? so is there no option that prints just the followed url?
2022-05-14 05:40:28	TheDcoder	My rootfs is f2fs, could that be an issue?
2022-05-14 05:41:00	mpan	sorta: as far as I know, but I do not know everything, no. That is: I do not recall any such option and a quick grepping through manual doesn’t refresh my memory.
2022-05-14 05:41:12	sorta	:(
2022-05-14 05:41:31	mpan	sorta: don’t worry, I do not know everything. I may be wrong. \o/
2022-05-14 05:41:56	sorta	yay :D im going to ask in #curl and #linux in case someone does
2022-05-14 05:42:06	TheDcoder	sorta: Use shell-fu to extract the location header
2022-05-14 05:42:30	Hello71	so you're saying that an attacker, with some still-aggressively-unspecified privileges which include at least writing arbitrary content to a user's files, would choose to use this opportunity to execute a highly targeted attack writing a specific command to a potentially infrequently-executed pacman hook, instead of, like, writing to .bashrc?
2022-05-14 05:43:03	mpan	Hello71: that’s a specific threat, not the existence of vulnerability.
2022-05-14 05:43:37	Hello71	wat
2022-05-14 05:43:37	TheDcoder	Can someone loop me in? What's this threat?
2022-05-14 05:43:47	mpan	Hello71: since to that question my answer remains the same, Irefer you to the wall of text above, as it is exactly the answer to your question.
2022-05-14 05:44:13	mpan	TheDcoder: nothing, nothing. Seems like someone misinterpreted the meaning of what I said.
2022-05-14 05:47:33	Edu4rdSHL	sorta, curl -sSfw '%{redirect_url}' https://youtu.be
2022-05-14 05:47:34	phrik	Title: YouTube (at youtu.be)
2022-05-14 05:48:03	⚡ 	mpan is proven wrong. \o/
2022-05-14 05:48:05	mpan	Edu4rdSHL++
2022-05-14 05:48:05	sorta	Edu4rdSHL: :O wow that worked! thanks so much
2022-05-14 05:48:59	Edu4rdSHL	:D
2022-05-14 05:55:22	sorta	https://0x0.st/om6c.sh yayyyy it works!! opening youtu.be links opens in mpv!!
2022-05-14 06:45:06	Betal	do I need nvidia-open-dkms for linux-lts ?
2022-05-14 06:47:40	SponiX	Betal: what Nvidia GPU do you have?
2022-05-14 06:48:56	Betal	SponiX: 1080
2022-05-14 06:50:45	SponiX	For Arch to support it you just want to run "pacman -S nvidia" (as root or with sudo/doas)
2022-05-14 06:53:38	mefistofeles	yeah, I don't think the open drivers support that architecture
2022-05-14 06:57:27	Edu4rdSHL	Open drivers supports Turing and onwards
2022-05-14 06:57:46	shadowless	Use the nvidia-lts package if you are using the linux-lts kernel
2022-05-14 06:57:52	Edu4rdSHL	Also, for -lts you need nvidia-lts or nvidia-dkms 
2022-05-14 06:58:08	Edu4rdSHL	The nvidia package will not work for -lts
2022-05-14 06:58:40	Edu4rdSHL	But if what you're asking is "To install the open drivers on the -lts kernel which package I need?" then yes, you need nvidia-open-dkms
2022-05-14 07:04:02	Betal	thanks, and in my case let me continue using nvidia{-lts} :). Because of version numbers (both are 515.43.04)  I was thinking it supported all GPUs from 'supported products' list in https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/187826/en-us
2022-05-14 07:04:03	phrik	Title: Linux x64 (AMD64/EM64T) Display Driver | 515.43.04 | Linux 64-bit | NVIDIA (at www.nvidia.com)
2022-05-14 07:07:25	Betal	I see now, "The open flavor of kernel modules supports Turing, Ampere, and forward." https://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/515.43.04/README/kernel_open.html
2022-05-14 07:07:26	phrik	Title: Chapter 44. Open Linux Kernel Modules (at us.download.nvidia.com)
2022-05-14 09:06:46	jab416171	oh nice nvidia-open is in Extra already
2022-05-14 09:47:12	AlexC	<jab416171> oh nice nvidia-open is in Extra already <- i can't see anywhere that package built against the open source kernel driver
2022-05-14 09:48:42	AlexC	as you have to describe which kernel module you want to use from now on:
2022-05-14 09:48:43	AlexC	https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules/blob/main/Makefile
2022-05-14 09:49:02	AlexC	modules: $(nv_kernel_o_binary) $(nv_modeset_kernel_o_binary)
2022-05-14 09:49:02	AlexC		$(MAKE) -C kernel-open modules
2022-05-14 09:49:23	AlexC	and nvidia ships both in the .run file, and default is still the closed source
2022-05-14 09:49:37	AlexC	fixme if this is not true tho.
2022-05-14 09:49:59	AlexC	this is what I gathered so far about the topic
2022-05-14 10:17:59	mozhaaak_	Hey, has anyone tried using vulkan on wayland with nvidia drivers 515.43.04 proprietary or not? For some reason vulkan is borked for me on wayland, not X11 though. Even vkcube segfaults, saying it fails to create a swapchain. No such problems with previous versions of nvidia though.
2022-05-14 11:00:45	Ghosthree3	nvidia + wayland is still a very broken combo
2022-05-14 11:01:24	merethan	I've been buying AMD hardware for the last two upgrades.
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2022-05-14 11:32:29	hendry	what's the name of that rendering glitch in Xorg like when you scroll a page in Firefox? (allegedly fixed in Wayland)
2022-05-14 11:32:50	boarim	screentearing?
2022-05-14 11:33:05	Luke	I'm running arch on an Oracle cloud server, and one NIC isn't getting an IP address (should be DHCP). Is there much I can do to troubleshoot that it's a problem in Arch and not with the network?
2022-05-14 11:33:05	Luke	Configured with networkctl, DHCP=yes, I can see DHCP packets going out in termshark on that NIC but no replies
2022-05-14 11:34:42	tomty89	Luke: sounds like misconfiguration on the host side
2022-05-14 11:47:48	hendry	boarim: oh yes
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2022-05-14 14:25:30	Foxboron	artefact: It's not suppose to be this common. But we've had a lot of movement in the keyring since January
2022-05-14 14:28:09	artefact	it happens to me fairly often. i have a laptop i don't boot very often, i even got softlocked once
2022-05-14 14:29:00	artefact	ok, i'm saying contradictory things. but it happens to me with some regularity
2022-05-14 14:33:57	mingdao	ack to `pacman should upgrade the keyring first` for -Syu  ;)
2022-05-14 14:34:14	mingdao	But it's a minor issue once you know `pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring`
2022-05-14 14:34:35	mingdao	Or w/out the y if you already ran `pacman -Syu` and had the failure.
2022-05-14 14:35:29	Foxboron	artefact: yes, because we are messing with the keyring and keys are expiring more than before.
2022-05-14 14:37:45	BrainDamage	one maintainer lost their keys
2022-05-14 14:51:21	pulec	frefelrgmkqwkl5em234k532
2022-05-14 14:51:34	artefact	wrong window. change your password now
2022-05-14 14:51:51	pulec	where do I turn off the idiotic new stupid idiotic stupid crap which locks down my accounts for 10 minutes after I enter sudo password wrong 2 times!!!
2022-05-14 14:51:56	pulec	fucking hell
2022-05-14 14:52:54	pulec	I have to switch to tty2 and try to login to see the time, shell does not even tell me it's locked out
2022-05-14 14:53:07	pulec	oh I recalled there is that clear command for this STUPID CRAP!!!
2022-05-14 14:53:19	BrainDamage	pam faillock
2022-05-14 14:53:35	pulec	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=258321
2022-05-14 14:53:35	phrik	Title: [Solved] How to configure 3 bad login attempts 10min lockout? / Applications & Desktop Environments / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-05-14 14:54:08	BrainDamage	the most insane thing is that it's 3 failed attemps in 15 mins
2022-05-14 14:54:11	BrainDamage	and it locks for 10
2022-05-14 14:54:29	BrainDamage	I've set mine to 3 failed attempts in 2 min
2022-05-14 14:54:32	BrainDamage	and locks for 10
2022-05-14 14:54:51	BrainDamage	the default only thing that does is punish people with good passwords
2022-05-14 14:55:03	artefact	it's a sane default for eg, the average unattended laptop
2022-05-14 14:55:16	artefact	of course, not that useful if you don't use fde/systemd-homed
2022-05-14 14:55:35	BrainDamage	no, not even for an unattended laptop
2022-05-14 14:55:49	BrainDamage	3 password guesses in 15 min?
2022-05-14 14:57:26	pulec	ye # fail_interval = 900
2022-05-14 14:57:29	pulec	default
2022-05-14 14:57:36	pulec	900s is 15minutes
2022-05-14 14:57:50	BrainDamage	the most insane thing is that the lock time is smaller than the guess time
2022-05-14 14:58:07	BrainDamage	set fail interval to 120s and it works way way better
2022-05-14 14:58:11	pulec	it's default like this for a year
2022-05-14 14:58:13	pulec	I demand change
2022-05-14 14:58:14	BrainDamage	so far, I haven't been locked out
2022-05-14 14:58:21	Ghosthree3	you just do faillock --user $user --reset to fix it right
2022-05-14 14:58:32	BrainDamage	you need root for that
2022-05-14 14:58:47	BrainDamage	and at that point, you already bypassed faillock
2022-05-14 14:59:04	Ghosthree3	i think you can do it when logged in still somehow, like the user can clear their own block
2022-05-14 14:59:05	pulec	yeah Ghosthree3 that disables the faillock even if run it as regular user
2022-05-14 14:59:06	BrainDamage	the main problem is that sudo attempts count for faillock
2022-05-14 14:59:09	pulec	which makes the whole thing really really silly
2022-05-14 14:59:24	pulec	BrainDamage: nope, no root needed
2022-05-14 14:59:29	BrainDamage	omg
2022-05-14 14:59:30	Ghosthree3	BrainDamage: yes i locked myself the other day running a script that loop failed sudo over and over, was very confused why suddenly no sudo would work
2022-05-14 15:00:00	Ghosthree3	BrainDamage: the lock is a /run file owned by the user themselves iirc. so if you are logged in you can remove it, or just reboot
2022-05-14 15:02:14	pulec	I removed the lock but I can't still login
2022-05-14 15:02:20	pulec	just brainfart and I forgot my password I guess
2022-05-14 15:02:26	⚡ 	pulec chills
2022-05-14 15:02:44	pulec	let's give it 10 minutes and try again, since that reset does not work properly it seems
2022-05-14 15:05:56	Ghosthree3	just log in as root and reset it?
2022-05-14 15:06:51	Ghosthree3	if you cant do that either press e or whatever key it is to edit the kernel params at boottime and append systemd.debug_shell, then swap to tty9, full root /bin/sh shell
2022-05-14 15:07:54	pulec	yeah if I recalled my root password...
2022-05-14 15:08:05	Ghosthree3	that last thing i said bypasses root password
2022-05-14 15:08:14	pulec	nah I won't reboot and close all my stuff, I'll wait those 600s
2022-05-14 15:08:18	Ghosthree3	it will just drop you into a root /bin/sh on tty9
2022-05-14 15:08:28	Ghosthree3	ah, fair
2022-05-14 15:15:09	Edu4rdSHL	Having a good password is not related to writing it wrong 3 times in a row
2022-05-14 15:16:15	pulec	you can have caps lock on by mistake
2022-05-14 15:16:22	pulec	not realizing it
2022-05-14 15:16:42	Ghosthree3	sometimes i press or release shift too quickly
2022-05-14 15:16:47	pulec	one of the issues is that after 3 tries of 'wrong password' the 4th try will not say anything about a lockout
2022-05-14 15:17:33	pulec	which in my case makes me try more times leading me into insanity that I forgot my password when in fact it there is just faillockout on
2022-05-14 15:17:34	Edu4rdSHL	Yes, you can have caps lock on by mistake, then you have a 2nd attemp
2022-05-14 15:17:37	mesaoptimizer	I've been using `btpd` as a torrent client, and I'm now looking for something with better UX. Any recommendations?
2022-05-14 15:17:38	Edu4rdSHL	And then a 3nd attemp
2022-05-14 15:17:48	Edu4rdSHL	If you fail all three then its your problem
2022-05-14 15:17:54	evilop	mesaoptimizer: qbittorrent?
2022-05-14 15:19:22	mesaoptimizer	I'll try that, thank you.
2022-05-14 15:19:59	pulec	finally recalled the password, it was very similar to the older one
2022-05-14 15:20:07	pulec	that faillock --reset works
2022-05-14 15:20:19	pulec	let's disable this retarded settings, shame on arch dev who set it up
2022-05-14 15:20:27	Ghosthree3	lmao i wouldnt go that far
2022-05-14 15:20:33	Ghosthree3	upstream defaults probably
2022-05-14 15:20:38	evilop	shame on you for not configuring your system to your liking
2022-05-14 15:20:39	BrainDamage	it was taken from upstream
2022-05-14 15:21:07	Edu4rdSHL	Stop being a retarded who put **your** password 3 times wrong instead.
2022-05-14 15:21:09	Ghosthree3	if you hadn't also forgotteny our root password you could have used that as an emergency to remove the lock
2022-05-14 15:21:10	pulec	I just did, fite me
2022-05-14 15:21:15	pulec	Edu4rdSHL: go to hell you idiot
2022-05-14 15:21:31	Edu4rdSHL	Yes, I'm the idiot who put my password 3 times wrong.
2022-05-14 15:21:37	BrainDamage	Edu4rdSHL: any system that doesn't account for human mistakes is a bad system
2022-05-14 15:21:39	pulec	yes, I am human, it happens
2022-05-14 15:22:04	BrainDamage	also, sudo fails count for the limit
2022-05-14 15:22:14	Edu4rdSHL	BrainDamage, human mistakens happens, yes, but it's just a security measure.
2022-05-14 15:22:36	BrainDamage	Edu4rdSHL: but the default makes little sense
2022-05-14 15:22:51	BrainDamage	the window it checks for mistakes is bigger than the lock period
2022-05-14 15:23:07	BrainDamage	3 mistakes over 15 min, lock you for 10 min
2022-05-14 15:23:28	BrainDamage	so it's not 3 times you fail your pw in a row, but 3 times over different contexts
2022-05-14 15:23:29	Ghosthree3	get unlocked at minute 11 and instantly relock yourself on next fail?
2022-05-14 15:23:44	BrainDamage	yep
2022-05-14 15:24:01	evilop	BrainDamage: aur helper that sits asking for sudo, which times out and then you get locked out is somewhat common
2022-05-14 15:24:22	Ghosthree3	sudo really should have its own lock and not lock the entire account
2022-05-14 15:24:36	evilop	Ghosthree3: that can be configured
2022-05-14 15:24:37	BrainDamage	probably the worst part is that you have no feedback over the reason why sudo fails
2022-05-14 15:24:37	Ghosthree3	though if you locked yourself with sudo you're probably still logged in anyway
2022-05-14 15:24:49	BrainDamage	when login fails, it reports you it's faillock
2022-05-14 15:24:54	BrainDamage	when sudo fails, it doesn't
2022-05-14 15:25:18	Ghosthree3	yep thats what puzzled me a few weeks ago, sudo was just failing to auth no matter how many times i put in the password right, wouldnt tell me why
2022-05-14 15:25:28	Ghosthree3	turns out i'd locked the account with a loop earlier
2022-05-14 15:47:02	segurb	hello, if I disable my Nvidia GPU, I cant start my X session, how can I fix this?
2022-05-14 15:47:28	evilop	post logs
2022-05-14 15:47:39	evilop	(or read them yourself)
2022-05-14 15:47:54	evilop	my guess is a mismatch between the nvidia module and userspace
2022-05-14 15:48:18	evilop	oh nm misread
2022-05-14 15:48:22	evilop	what hardware is this?
2022-05-14 15:48:40	segurb	[    98.494] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
2022-05-14 15:48:54	evilop	still, post logs
2022-05-14 15:49:20	SuperNinja_4965	Not sure if this is the best place to ask but i noticed that the nvidia drivers have been updated to version 515 but according to the nvidia website these drivers are still in beta. It it normal to update the nvidia drivers to the beta version?
2022-05-14 15:49:30	segurb	I belive this could be an issue, I got Intel Core i5-12600K and RTX3060Ti (which randomly stops working, soI wana test if same issue occurs with just Intel) I got nvidia drivers, and thats it
2022-05-14 15:50:04	segurb	evilop: http://ix.io/3XKw
2022-05-14 15:50:31	evilop	SuperNinja_4965: yes
2022-05-14 15:50:52	evilop	segurb: you want to use the igp?
2022-05-14 15:51:01	segurb	evilop: yes, temporarely for testing
2022-05-14 15:51:22	evilop	is the igp actually enabled? and did you hook up a monitor to it?
2022-05-14 15:51:37	segurb	yes and yes
2022-05-14 15:51:38	evilop	also: remove your broken xorg.conf
2022-05-14 15:51:45	LaserEyess	segurb: "I got nvidia drivers, and that's it"
2022-05-14 15:51:47	LaserEyess	well there's your problem
2022-05-14 15:51:53	LaserEyess	you need to install mesa for intel drivers
2022-05-14 15:52:03	evilop	LaserEyess: he has mesa, 100% guaranteed
2022-05-14 15:52:07	segurb	I got xf86-video-intel
2022-05-14 15:52:10	evilop	segurb: and you can't disable modesetting
2022-05-14 15:52:20	evilop	so you have to boot with it enabled
2022-05-14 15:52:36	segurb	I have to boot with what enabled?
2022-05-14 15:52:40	evilop	start by simply mv'ing the xorg.conf 
2022-05-14 15:52:49	segurb	moving where?
2022-05-14 15:52:55	segurb	new one will be automatically genereated?
2022-05-14 15:52:57	evilop	anywhere
2022-05-14 15:52:58	LaserEyess	how do you guarantee that? his logs don't say that, they're loading nvidia's glx drivers
2022-05-14 15:53:04	evilop	you don't need a xorg.conf at all
2022-05-14 15:53:19	evilop	and yours is set up only for nvidia, hence it won't work with intel
2022-05-14 15:53:36	evilop	LaserEyess: because everything depends on mesa
2022-05-14 15:53:37	segurb	whats the best way to ignore nvidia at boot? plug it out of the case?
2022-05-14 15:54:42	Ghosthree3	segurb: could blacklist the driver but if your xorg.conf has been written by the nvidia userspace tool to use the nvidia driver i dont think it will help
2022-05-14 15:55:04	segurb	Ghosthree3:  so its simpler to plug the GPU out?
2022-05-14 15:55:13	evilop	that won't change anything
2022-05-14 15:55:13	LaserEyess	no
2022-05-14 15:55:15	Ghosthree3	i mean to me it wouldnt be
2022-05-14 15:55:22	evilop	simply start by getting rid of the xorg.conf
2022-05-14 15:55:30	evilop	then take it from there
2022-05-14 15:55:37	segurb	evilop: so I remove xorg, and then reboot with HDMI cable in MOBO ?
2022-05-14 15:55:39	segurb	and thast it?
2022-05-14 15:55:59	LaserEyess	yes
2022-05-14 15:56:07	LaserEyess	though, xorg.conf, the file, not xorg
2022-05-14 15:56:12	segurb	yeah ofc
2022-05-14 15:56:24	LaserEyess	just making sure
2022-05-14 15:56:25	segurb	well, I am off for a reboot
2022-05-14 16:00:31	Toxmi	It might be a bit pointless, but I had both nvidia and nvidia-kms as I'm on custom kernel. This time I get the conflict and removed the nvidia package (in favor of nvidia-kms). Is this a policy shift or I'm missing something here
2022-05-14 16:01:17	Toxmi	*dkms
2022-05-14 16:01:17	⚡ 	evilop wonders what nvidia-kms is
2022-05-14 16:04:13	Toxmi	evilop: nvidia-dkms
2022-05-14 16:04:28	Edu4rdSHL	Toxmi, the commit indicates that nvidia-dkms just started providing "nvidia" thus the conflict
2022-05-14 16:04:30	Edu4rdSHL	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commit/9c016310b38109828bfae450d5b8b236732fff41
2022-05-14 16:05:07	Toxmi	Edu4rdSHL: ah, Thanks for the link
2022-05-14 16:05:26	Ghosthree3	only reason to ever not use the dkms package is to avoid compiling the modules yourself right
2022-05-14 16:05:29	Edu4rdSHL	I think that it's more related to "You used the linux package? Then use the nvidia package. Otherwise, use nvidia-dkms for all the kernels." 
2022-05-14 16:05:58	Edu4rdSHL	Ghosthree3, and the fact that it only works with the "linux" package.
2022-05-14 16:06:04	Edu4rdSHL	But mostly yes
2022-05-14 16:06:21	Ghosthree3	dkms works for all though
2022-05-14 16:07:20	Edu4rdSHL	Yes, -dkms works for all the installed kernels
2022-05-14 16:07:24	Toxmi	The version is also bumped from 510 -> 515
2022-05-14 16:08:13	Toxmi	Yeah, with the exception of annoying compile hook, dkms is a better choice IMHO
2022-05-14 16:09:33	Edu4rdSHL	I have been using -dkms for several years since that I use custom kernels and it works very well, some months ago there was a problem with the modules cleanup but nothing that makes it to stop working.
2022-05-14 16:11:30	Toxmi	Edu4rdSHL: is there a way to make it safer when a build failed (and irresponsible user do not notice it :))?
2022-05-14 16:12:50	Edu4rdSHL	Toxmi, you can always check with `dkms status` and/or check your terminal logs when there are updates to a -dkms package or the kernel.
2022-05-14 16:14:07	Toxmi	Edu4rdSHL: dkms status resulted in: Error! Could not locate dkms.conf file. Never had configured it.
2022-05-14 16:14:27	Edu4rdSHL	Toxmi, that's the full output?
2022-05-14 16:15:17	Toxmi	Edu4rdSHL: almost, here is the complete two line:
2022-05-14 16:15:20	Toxmi	Error! Could not locate dkms.conf file.
2022-05-14 16:15:23	Toxmi	File: /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/470.63.01/source/dkms.conf does not exist.
2022-05-14 16:16:42	Edu4rdSHL	Toxmi, `tree /var/lib/dkms`
2022-05-14 16:16:48	Ghosthree3	i have a similar output with a different dkms module that is long long since gone from my system
2022-05-14 16:17:34	Ghosthree3	for some reason /var/lib/dkms contains files for really old stuff but not the new stuff i am very much using now, odd
2022-05-14 16:18:03	Ghosthree3	(scratch that last part but it does include old stuff that should be gone)
2022-05-14 16:19:02	Edu4rdSHL	Ghosthree3, probably from the issue that I mentioned before 
2022-05-14 16:19:04	Edu4rdSHL	> some months ago there was a problem with the modules cleanup but nothing that makes it to stop working.
2022-05-14 16:19:26	Edu4rdSHL	You can safely remove these folders
2022-05-14 16:19:34	Edu4rdSHL	The old ones, I mean
2022-05-14 16:19:36	Toxmi	Edu4rdSHL: the tree output:
2022-05-14 16:19:37	Ghosthree3	the mess is contained within that /var/lib/dkms dir?
2022-05-14 16:19:39	Toxmi	https://paste.rs/RR6
2022-05-14 16:19:43	Ghosthree3	nothing else to clean?
2022-05-14 16:21:16	Edu4rdSHL	Ghosthree3, nothing else. Also you will probably have some folders with $module_name-original (or something like that) which are safe to remove too.
2022-05-14 16:21:41	evilop	Toxmi: clean out old crud
2022-05-14 16:22:00	Edu4rdSHL	If you take a look, there are symlinks to the kernels to "place" the modules in their respective directories (don't touch them), that's the reason why the "mess" is only in that folder
2022-05-14 16:23:25	Edu4rdSHL	Toxmi, delete the nvidia/470.63.01 folder and the broken symlinks that points to inexistent kernels :)
2022-05-14 16:23:48	Toxmi	Edu4rdSHL: I confused of that symlink bcz the directory it pointed to (/usr/src/nvidia-515.43.04) do exist, don't know why it fails
2022-05-14 16:24:53	Toxmi	Is it safe? can I trigger dkms hook again to make sure it's OK
2022-05-14 16:25:56	Edu4rdSHL	Toxmi, you can `dkms autoinstall` if you wonder, but it's safe yes
2022-05-14 16:26:01	Toxmi	Edu4rdSHL: my bad, I looked into the symlinked in 515.43.04
2022-05-14 16:26:09	Toxmi	Thanks
2022-05-14 16:29:46	Toxmi	Edu4rdSHL: I removed that folder, and broken symlinks, `dkms autoinstall` and here is the error:
2022-05-14 16:29:50	Toxmi	Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 5.17.5-zen1-1-zen cannot be found at /usr/lib/modules/5.17.5-zen1-1-zen/build or /usr/lib/modules/5.17.5-zen1-1-zen/source.
2022-05-14 16:29:53	Toxmi	Please install the linux-headers-5.17.5-zen1-1-zen package or use the --kernelsourcedir option to tell DKMS where it's located.
2022-05-14 16:30:19	Edu4rdSHL	Toxmi, well, install linux-zen-headers 
2022-05-14 16:30:24	Toxmi	I probably should install tha..
2022-05-14 16:30:27	Toxmi	right
2022-05-14 16:35:30	Edu4rdSHL	And this is where they do not return? :p
2022-05-14 17:03:35	novns	moc is fixed, nice
2022-05-14 17:05:04	novns	felixonmars, thanks
2022-05-14 17:06:16	kaivai_	Speaking of DKMS, after you install a kernel update, does anyone know if you need to reboot before building DKMS packages?
2022-05-14 17:07:02	Scimmia	Not on Arch
2022-05-14 17:07:38	kaivai_	Thanks Scimmia!
2022-05-14 17:07:41	MacGyver	(You of course do need to reboot before you can *use* the result)
2022-05-14 17:08:28	kaivai_	That makes sense - I've gotten into a superstitious habit of updating, rebooting, updating my AUR packages, then rebooting again. This will save me areboot ;D
2022-05-14 17:08:45	Ghosthree3	i just update and never reboot
2022-05-14 17:09:36	kaivai_	I've noticed that sometimes I've had issues if I don't reboot. I think I drop my samba mounts, but I've been doing this so long I don't even remember why
2022-05-14 17:10:07	BrainDamage	the issue is that the kernel is still the old, but the modules / headers updated on disk
2022-05-14 17:10:17	BrainDamage	so if you try to load a new one, the version mismatches
2022-05-14 17:10:34	kaivai_	Thanks BrainDamage! That makes perfect sense!
2022-05-14 17:10:37	BrainDamage	but since you'll be trying to build a module for the kernel-to-be-booted, it'll work
2022-05-14 17:10:51	Ghosthree3	kaivai_: yea samba breaks, but restarting smb.service fixes it. i have no idea why it needs this, never come across another service that does
2022-05-14 17:11:16	kaivai_	Ghosthree3: Oh that's awesome! Thanks for the tip!
2022-05-14 17:11:26	Ghosthree3	BrainDamage: not the case in this instance i think. you can have a working samba share, have transferred data over it, then you update the kernel and it just dies, won't connect. its really odd
2022-05-14 17:12:10	Ghosthree3	its kind of backwards, if anything you'd think restarting it would break it since the modules are gone now
2022-05-14 17:32:27	sorta	firefox seems to randomly crash on me nowadays - here is the latest error report - https://0x0.st/omUi.txt
2022-05-14 17:32:45	sorta	i am using sway and MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND is set to 
2022-05-14 17:32:47	sorta	1
2022-05-14 17:32:50	evilop	test with a new user
2022-05-14 17:33:12	sorta	new user in firefox? or do i have to create a new user in my arch linux os?
2022-05-14 17:33:22	evilop	new os user
2022-05-14 17:33:30	sorta	oh um
2022-05-14 17:38:48	Ghosthree3	why new user and not just new profile
2022-05-14 17:39:24	evilop	in case there is some random stuff in his home breaking it
2022-05-14 17:39:32	evilop	like a broken gtk theme or whatever
2022-05-14 17:41:06	VG9t	run firefox as root 😈
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2022-05-14 18:32:03	charlie5	Ifne bless timeshift !
2022-05-14 18:32:10	charlie5	hi all
2022-05-14 18:33:22	charlie5	after updating to kernel verson 5.17.7, i could no longer startx :/
2022-05-14 18:34:01	charlie5	i have linux, linux-zen and linux-lts kernels
2022-05-14 18:34:13	charlie5	... with nvidia-dkms
2022-05-14 18:34:32	charlie5	have there been any reports of similar problems ?
2022-05-14 18:35:05	charlie5	(timeshift restored to a point just before i installed the new kernel versions)
2022-05-14 18:35:23	charlie5	scary stuff :P
2022-05-14 18:35:49	charlie5	(1st time i've actually restored from a timeshift snapshot)
2022-05-14 19:03:44	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-05-14 19:12:07	teraflops	5.17.7-arch1-1 and nvidia-dkms 515.43.04-1 here w/o issues
2022-05-14 19:12:31	SponiX	charlie5: do you use Grub for your boot?
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2022-05-14 19:13:18	susi	charlie5: there's probably some errors shown when you try?
2022-05-14 19:13:57	charlie5	SponiX: yep
2022-05-14 19:14:29	SponiX	charlie5: sudo mkinitcpio -P && sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2022-05-14 19:14:31	charlie5	susi: i checked the X log file
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2022-05-14 19:14:51	SponiX	charlie5: If I forget to run that after every kernel/nvidia update I get a failed GUI also
2022-05-14 19:14:54	charlie5	didn't quite grok it tho ... will check again tomorrow
2022-05-14 19:14:59	perrierjouet	hi all
2022-05-14 19:15:18	susi	charlie5: but when you `startx`, what it says?
2022-05-14 19:15:28	charlie5	SponiX: ah, right ... will definitely give that a try
2022-05-14 19:15:42	charlie5	Hi perrierjouet
2022-05-14 19:16:02	perrierjouet	hello charlie5 
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2022-05-14 19:16:15	perrierjouet	what a warm welcome
2022-05-14 19:16:27	charlie5	susi: when i startx, it goes instantly to a dark screen ... and stays like that :/
2022-05-14 19:16:43	susi	charlie5: startx &> startx_log
2022-05-14 19:17:04	charlie5	heh, of course
2022-05-14 19:17:07	susi	then switch to a different tty, and see the results
2022-05-14 19:17:08	⚡ 	charlie5 slaps forehead
2022-05-14 19:18:04	charlie5	well, it's after 3am here so i will try these advices tomorrow
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2022-05-14 19:25:35	discipulux	A while back I ran into something strange (on both my computers running arch) after an update.
2022-05-14 19:26:10	discipulux	Firefox started hanging after the computer suspended. I could not find anything in the journal log that stood out and not in dmesg either. Not even .xsession-errors complained about the hang/crash. The only thing I caould do was to kill all firefox instances.
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2022-05-14 19:26:56	discipulux	After a while I noticed this started to happen more often when I had several firefox profiles running, and also if I run thunderbird at the same time. A total of three profiles or two profiles and thunderbird and it Will hang.
2022-05-14 19:27:27	discipulux	When this happens the pulseaudio also hangs. If I run pacmd list it returns "Daemon not responding." and if I run pactl list sinks it returns "Connection failure: Timeout"...
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2022-05-14 19:28:08	discipulux	Also, I'm unable to kill pulseaudio using "pulseaudio -k". killall or simply kill won't work either, it has to be a kill -9 in order for it to shut down...
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2022-05-14 19:28:24	sheepy	that happens to me all the time, it's annoying. i made a `fixfirefox` script to just kill all firefox instances. i've never had any problems with pulseaudio, though...
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2022-05-14 19:28:50	discipulux	If I do this, run killall firefox and kill -9 pulseaudio, everything works fine again.
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2022-05-14 19:29:48	discipulux	sheepy: Ahh, nice to hear I'm not the only one at least. Any idea what might be causing this? I have a fedora and a debian machine and both work just fine.
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2022-05-14 19:31:19	Ghosthree3	does it happen with pipewire-pulse
2022-05-14 19:31:31	discipulux	I run arch with i3-gaps, picom and xorg btw.
2022-05-14 19:31:59	discipulux	Ghosthree3: I haven't tried that tbh
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2022-05-14 19:32:33	discipulux	Or rather, I haven't really heard of pipewire.
2022-05-14 19:32:37	Ghosthree3	for lack of a better idea i'd give it a go and hope it magically works and is a pulseaudio problem lol. no issues here with suspend/resume and firefox but i do use wayland
2022-05-14 19:33:21	Ghosthree3	discipulux: pipewire-pulse is a drop-in replacement/translation layer for pipewire (which is what everything is moving to). unless you need unimplemented features i'd probably use it, or at least give it a go and see if it resolves your issues
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2022-05-14 19:33:53	discipulux	Yeah, I was thinking of switching to wayland and throw out i3 for sway. That or try alsa instead... But, I would like to find the root cause
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2022-05-14 19:34:24	Ghosthree3	sway is very good, have no complaints with it other than the global wayland issue of no application hotkey support (outside of their own window)
2022-05-14 19:34:27	discipulux	Ghosthree3: Thanks, will give it a try and see if that fixes things
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2022-05-14 19:40:36	discipulux	I do find it strange however that this only happens with mozillas things, and only if I run 3 or more instances... somehow feels like the error should occur at other times as well if it was purely PA related, althogh I might be wrong here.
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2022-05-14 19:41:14	discipulux	So far the logs haven't given me anything to go on...
2022-05-14 19:41:30	discipulux	Will try pipewire though. :)
2022-05-14 19:41:32	Ghosthree3	complete shot in the dark but i know firefox has a habit of not closing audio streams, ive managed to crash pipewire with it before by having it open 100+
2022-05-14 19:41:58	Ghosthree3	though idk how that could relate to suspend
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2022-05-14 19:43:53	discipulux	I'm not completely sure, but I think the issue has occured at a few other times as well (not only after suspend), but that was couple of weeks back when this didn't happen as much so I didn' take complete notice.
2022-05-14 19:44:07	jab416171	AlexC, I haven't actually tested it so I have no idea
2022-05-14 19:44:20	discipulux	But, I'm not 100% sure about this, it might have occured after suspend then as well
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2022-05-14 19:44:40	discipulux	What I do know is I can trigger the issue 100% after suspend
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2022-05-14 19:55:29	jab416171	how do I mark a package as a dependency instead of explicit?
2022-05-14 19:56:12	BrainDamage	is it already installed or to be installed?
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2022-05-14 19:56:35	jab416171	it's already installed
2022-05-14 19:56:41	evilop	the pacman man page has the info
2022-05-14 19:56:46	BrainDamage	use pacman -D
2022-05-14 19:56:48	evilop	search for the word explicit in it
2022-05-14 19:56:51	jab416171	I was checking the rosetta
2022-05-14 19:57:40	jab416171	thanks BrainDamage evilop 
2022-05-14 19:57:57	jab416171	can I tell it _which_ package it's a dependency of?
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2022-05-14 19:58:23	evilop	tl;dr no
2022-05-14 19:58:45	evilop	long story: edit the sync db, or the package itself
2022-05-14 19:59:11	jab416171	it's an aur package, if I edit the PKGBUILD can I tell pacman to "use" it without reinstalling?
2022-05-14 19:59:29	evilop	sounds a bit like a xyproblem though?
2022-05-14 19:59:50	evilop	trying to replace foobar with foobar-git or similar?
2022-05-14 20:00:22	evilop	s/sync/local/
2022-05-14 20:00:22	jab416171	jellyfin has depends=('dotnet-runtime>=5') but it actually needs version 5, not version 6
2022-05-14 20:00:59	evilop	then edit the PKGBUILD for jellyfin to say =5
2022-05-14 20:01:03	jab416171	yeah
2022-05-14 20:01:08	jab416171	but can I "apply" that without a reinstall
2022-05-14 20:01:25	evilop	not without hacking the local db
2022-05-14 20:01:32	jab416171	gotcha
2022-05-14 20:01:32	jab416171	thanks!
2022-05-14 20:01:57	zegolem	you can probably do it without recompiling though, if that's what you meant to ask
2022-05-14 20:01:58	evilop	should probably rapport it to whoever maintains jellyfin if it really requires 5
2022-05-14 20:02:15	evilop	yes, you can use the nobuild flag
2022-05-14 20:02:24	jab416171	it's z3ntu
2022-05-14 20:02:36	evilop	if you have the existing build files that is
2022-05-14 20:03:04	BrainDamage	you can probably even just edit the tarball's info
2022-05-14 20:03:38	evilop	or just do it the next time you update jellyfin since its unlikely to cause any issue anyway
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2022-05-14 21:07:50	FatAlbert	ok good evening
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2022-05-14 21:21:06	ty3r0x	is anyone having a missing shared library when installing mumble?
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2022-05-14 21:23:36	jab416171	did you try ldd?
2022-05-14 21:25:51	ty3r0x	 libPocoZip.so.81 => not found
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2022-05-14 21:29:25	Namarrgon	"lddtree /usr/bin/mumble"
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2022-05-14 21:31:40	ty3r0x	I will try compiling poco from the aur source
2022-05-14 21:31:47	ty3r0x	see if that helps
2022-05-14 21:31:47	Namarrgon	wat
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2022-05-14 21:32:00	ty3r0x	like installing poco-git
2022-05-14 21:32:12	Namarrgon	that's backwards
2022-05-14 21:32:30	Namarrgon	find out what is linked against the old so and then rebuild that
2022-05-14 21:32:57	Namarrgon	and replacing poco with poco-git makes even less snese
2022-05-14 21:33:01	Namarrgon	*SNES
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2022-05-14 21:33:28	ty3r0x	lol
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2022-05-14 21:34:33	pulec	snes make sense
2022-05-14 21:34:47	pulec	poco reminds me some retro game console, what is going on?
2022-05-14 21:34:53	ty3r0x	what's the package for ldtree
2022-05-14 21:35:01	Namarrgon	!pacman-file
2022-05-14 21:35:02	phrik	Find out what package owns a file, even if the package isn't installed. pacman -Fy <file> (similar to !pkgfile)
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2022-05-14 21:35:38	pulec	pacman -Qo $(which whoami)
2022-05-14 21:36:13	ty3r0x	/usr/bin/whoami is owned by coreutils 9.1-1
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2022-05-14 21:39:19	ty3r0x	the files ldd say are missing are actually present
2022-05-14 21:39:42	Namarrgon	post the output to a paste service
2022-05-14 21:39:54	Namarrgon	ldd and lddtree are not the same tool
2022-05-14 21:40:34	ty3r0x	I don't have lddtree
2022-05-14 21:40:36	ty3r0x	https://bin.snopyta.org/?2ed165676cdec234#38AhLEuCvqdJtSj9d2EQABY89W5LzZ3G7Vv2bB71WxU3
2022-05-14 21:40:37	phrik	Title: PrivateBin (at bin.snopyta.org)
2022-05-14 21:40:57	Namarrgon	"        libPocoFoundation.so.81 => not found"
2022-05-14 21:41:22	ty3r0x	but it's present in /usr/lib hmm
2022-05-14 21:41:38	Namarrgon	sure?
2022-05-14 21:41:45	Namarrgon	pacman -Q mumble poco
2022-05-14 21:42:28	ty3r0x	mumble 1.4.230-5
2022-05-14 21:42:29	ty3r0x	poco 1.11.2-1
2022-05-14 21:43:55	Namarrgon	pacman -Qo /usr/lib/libPocoZip.so.81
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2022-05-14 21:44:42	ty3r0x	error: No package owns /usr/lib/libPocoZip.so.81
2022-05-14 21:44:59	ty3r0x	but that file is present, and I can cat it
2022-05-14 21:45:04	Namarrgon	did the system crash during an update or something similar?
2022-05-14 21:45:13	ty3r0x	no
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2022-05-14 21:45:29	Namarrgon	then why would you have orphaned libraries in the filesystem?
2022-05-14 21:45:55	ty3r0x	idk
2022-05-14 21:46:14	ty3r0x	the last update went pretty smooth
2022-05-14 21:46:34	ty3r0x	should I restart my system?
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2022-05-14 21:47:15	Namarrgon	i don't think that that would have any positive effect
2022-05-14 21:48:01	ty3r0x	do I need to reinstall my system?
2022-05-14 21:48:17	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Identify_files_not_owned_by_any_package
2022-05-14 21:48:18	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-05-14 21:49:52	Furai	Is there any tool that allows user to view images and rename them? I have a bunch of screenshots and I have to rename them based on what I can see on them. Obviously I need a way to see them in bigger size to know what I'm looking at.
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2022-05-14 21:50:45	ty3r0x	wow I have a lot of "orphaned" files under /usr
2022-05-14 21:50:47	Furai	Default image viewer on gnome doesn't seem to be able to do that. Thumbnails view in files can be zoomed only a little bit, not enough to be able to say what's on the screenshot.
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2022-05-14 21:56:48	Furai	Answering my own question - geeqie image viewer can do just that.
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2022-05-14 21:57:51	teraflops	ranger too
2022-05-14 21:58:03	ty3r0x	I tried to restart as well, problem persists
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2022-05-14 21:58:48	Namarrgon	ty3r0x: have you cleand up the orphaned files?
2022-05-14 21:59:02	ty3r0x	well the entire /usr is "orphaned"
2022-05-14 21:59:26	MacGyver	Run every single orphaned file through pacman -F, sort, uniq, force reinstallation of those packages?
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2022-05-14 22:01:39	ty3r0x	how do I force reinstall the entire system?
2022-05-14 22:02:06	MacGyver	I literally just told you how.
2022-05-14 22:02:48	ty3r0x	what you said was ambigous. I have to run pacman -F on every file that lives in /usr?
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2022-05-14 22:03:50	Namarrgon	make sure you have a working archiso and backups before you do anything
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2022-05-14 22:04:25	ty3r0x	wait what? I have to reinstall the entire system?
2022-05-14 22:04:49	Namarrgon	who said that?
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2022-05-14 22:05:53	ty3r0x	oh sorry you suggested that as a just in case
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2022-05-14 22:07:24	Furai	teraflops, hmm, but does it allow for good image previews? It's TUI/CLI programme, right?
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2022-05-14 22:08:13	MacGyver	ty3r0x: Well on every file living in pacman-managed space for which pacman returns no package owns it, so if you're saying that the entirety of /usr is orphaned then yes, every file in /usr.
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2022-05-14 22:09:08	ty3r0x	after I delete the entirety of /usr, I simply use -Syu to reinstall everything?
2022-05-14 22:09:12	MacGyver	No.
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2022-05-14 22:09:31	MacGyver	I didn't say anything about deleting anything.
2022-05-14 22:09:53	MacGyver	pacman -F searches the pacman files database to tell you which package owns a file.
2022-05-14 22:10:07	MacGyver	Or, rather, *would* own a file.
2022-05-14 22:10:33	MacGyver	The intent of that operation is to reinstall those packages so that pacman's own database gets restored.
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2022-05-14 22:12:55	ty3r0x	an interesting find is that all are links
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2022-05-15 09:09:47	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-05-15 09:09:47	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1458 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1457 normals)
2022-05-15 03:53:49	MacGyver	Dotz0cat: Loop devices are only created the moment you actually run losetup to back them.
2022-05-15 03:54:21	Hello71	is loop-control a loop device
2022-05-15 03:55:13	Scimmia	And generally handled automatically by mount
2022-05-15 03:55:16	MacGyver	No, that's a control device for the system.
2022-05-15 03:55:48	Dotz0cat	it also helps when you run losetup with sudo
2022-05-15 03:55:50	MacGyver	Stable point for applications to manage their own loop device use dynamically.
2022-05-15 04:01:17	Hello71	like, loop-control is a device created by the loop module, so it's a loop device, innit
2022-05-15 04:59:46	dmc	been meaning to ask, is the computer beeping after you run `poweroff` a new thing or is that just me?
2022-05-15 05:01:37	⚡ 	gehidore hasn't ran poweroff in ages
2022-05-15 05:01:57	thurstylark	right? that power button is so damn boopable
2022-05-15 05:02:04	thurstylark	be a shame not to boop it
2022-05-15 05:02:15	gehidore	I run reboot once in a while
2022-05-15 05:02:26	gehidore	when I remember to update my system o.O
2022-05-15 05:03:17	SponiX	dmc: I think it is just you. I don't remember my system doing that
2022-05-15 05:03:36	SponiX	could be because I have no PC-Speaker hooked up
2022-05-15 05:06:19	⚡ 	gehidore hooks dmc's pcspkr up to a doorbell
2022-05-15 05:08:19	⚡ 	SponiX cuts the wires
2022-05-15 05:08:59	DeepDayze	Haha
2022-05-15 05:21:02	dmc	lol
2022-05-15 05:24:52	SponiX	dmc: if you want to stop that, you can either unhook your pcspkr or blacklist the pcspkr module from loading
2022-05-15 05:25:13	SponiX	OR... you can quit shutting your system off
2022-05-15 05:26:05	dmc	or don't turn it on
2022-05-15 05:26:36	SponiX	Wow.. I hadn't considered that one. Great solution!
2022-05-15 05:27:04	dmc	will try using the power button instead next time if I can't find anything in my logs
2022-05-15 05:29:54	dmc	thurstylark, typing "pow" into rofi and smashing the enter key to poweroff feelsgoodman
2022-05-15 05:45:56	Dotz0cat	wreid I get Error opening terminal: rxvt-unicode-256color. in a chroot
2022-05-15 05:46:17	Dotz0cat	without that pkg installed as well
2022-05-15 05:49:56	Dotz0cat	vi also does not work
2022-05-15 05:51:48	heat	which package?
2022-05-15 05:52:16	Dotz0cat	urxvt is not installed
2022-05-15 05:52:46	heat	https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/rxvt-unicode-terminfo/ you need that
2022-05-15 05:52:48	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - rxvt-unicode-terminfo 9.26-2 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-05-15 05:53:34	heat	your TERM=rxvt-unicode-256color without that package, that's why you're getting those errors
2022-05-15 06:01:23	Hydragyrum	I've seen some machines that have a bios setting for beeping on power on/off too dmc
2022-05-15 06:04:42	Dotz0cat	Due to being inspired by yall talking about powerbeeps. I think I will make grub play dixe
2022-05-15 06:09:47	Dotz0cat	Also question, I am rebuilding a system in a clean way. My other system had a dummy account to run a reboot script. Where is the proper place to put the dummy user's homedir?
2022-05-15 06:13:35	dmc	Hydragyrum, this is a new development, haven't touched my bios
2022-05-15 06:13:44	dmc	and this is during poweroff
2022-05-15 06:22:30	Dotz0cat	I think /var will work. I also have a chicken/egg problem. The dir will contain a script that will be used as the login shell. Do I make the dir frist and add the shell or make the user and then change the shell?
2022-05-15 06:23:12	SponiX	Dotz0cat: yes
2022-05-15 06:44:48	hendry	my wired network has been flapping on archlinux, argh
2022-05-15 08:32:26	rxfh	hendry: hardware issues? ethtool, netstat -i etc
2022-05-15 08:34:41	cnsvc	hi 
2022-05-15 08:35:05	dirtcastle	I'm installing arch linux (not artix linux!) my iso is 5 months old. I ran  pacman -Syy and pacman -S archinstall but arch install gives error when I ran archinstall
2022-05-15 08:37:53	cnsvc	i did a full upgrade today since last week. I noticed all media services not working(play youtube video, play music etc). I use pulseaudio. Is there anything from the upgrade may cause the problem?
2022-05-15 08:45:42	dmc	btw I'm assuming the beeping is from this line "pulseaudio[716]: Error opening PCM device surround51:0: No such file or directory"
2022-05-15 08:48:18	Edu4rdSHL	!give cnsvc news
2022-05-15 08:48:19	phrik	cnsvc: 2022-05-12T19:48:50+0000: Undone replacement of pipewire-media-session with wireplumber <https://archlinux.org/news/undone-replacement-of-pipewire-media-session-with-wireplumber/>
2022-05-15 08:48:44	Edu4rdSHL	dirtcastle, and the error is?
2022-05-15 09:09:47	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-05-15 09:11:59	rxfh	cnsvc: still using PA. maybe try closing app & pulseaudio -k ; pulseaudio -D
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2022-05-15 09:14:23	cnsvc	rxfh: yes that works. it's weird that i have to restart pa again when i open another browser for streaming after some time.
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2022-05-15 09:15:46	rxfh	cnsvc: imho PA is a steaming pile, as is systemd and everything lennart & co produces. turning Linux into windows. basically regedit32. but what can ya do
2022-05-15 09:16:34	rxfh	i use a hacky rc.local to avoid most systemd things and tolerate the rest i cant avoid heh
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2022-05-15 10:42:25	dan01	Does anyone use systemd-boot with btrfs?
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2022-05-15 10:42:59	dan01	I think I know why I have no entries in the boot menu, I think in systemd-boot the /boot and /boot/efi need to be the same
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2022-05-15 10:43:13	dan01	In other words I need the kernel to sit on the efi partition 
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2022-05-15 10:45:08	Namarrgon	with systemd-boot the kernel has to be on the ESP, which is usually installed to /boot
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2022-05-15 11:04:37	dan01	Namarrgon: Thank you1
2022-05-15 11:04:52	dan01	Namarrgon: Is that better, worst or it simply doesn't matter?
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2022-05-15 11:05:06	Namarrgon	better than what?
2022-05-15 11:05:15	dan01	The fact that that the kernel is now on a FAT partition
2022-05-15 11:05:22	dan01	because also ESP has to be FAT
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2022-05-15 11:06:08	Namarrgon	systemd-boot relies on the filesystem-drivers that the firmware, or some other third-party, provides. usually that's only fat.
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2022-05-15 11:06:49	Ghosthree3	it's literally a non issue unless you want an encrypted /boot or don't have room (never used a separate /boot and efi in my life)
2022-05-15 11:06:53	Khorne	dan01, anecdotally I used that setup since systemd-boot was still gummiboot and it wasn't an issue ever..
2022-05-15 11:07:36	dan01	Khorne: So how did you did it? You mean have btrfs with systemd-boot?
2022-05-15 11:07:45	Khorne	No, kernel on ESP
2022-05-15 11:07:50	Khorne	I don't care particularly about btrfs
2022-05-15 11:07:51	dan01	Ah, ok
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2022-05-15 11:07:52	Namarrgon	systemd-boot's config format doesn't allow to specify a different partition anyway. the only alternative is the XBOOTLDR spec but you're kind stuck with vfat in that case either.
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2022-05-15 11:08:40	Khorne	dan01, I don't see how the rootfs choice matters much, regardless of where you put the kernel and initrd
2022-05-15 11:08:44	Namarrgon	there are third-party drivers in the community/efifs package but you're still limited to what your firmware supports
2022-05-15 11:09:06	Khorne	Does Grub support btrfs natively these days?
2022-05-15 11:09:18	Namarrgon	it has supported it for a very long time
2022-05-15 11:09:29	dan01	Khorne: maybe it's more secure to have it on btrfs because it does checksums
2022-05-15 11:09:40	dan01	and you can encrypt it, idk
2022-05-15 11:09:46	Khorne	Namarrgon, I haven't used grub in a very long time either :P
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2022-05-15 11:10:01	dan01	Khorne: I used to use grub with btrfs
2022-05-15 11:10:03	dan01	on Fedora
2022-05-15 11:10:06	dan01	worked like a charm
2022-05-15 11:10:09	Khorne	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-05-15 11:10:15	Khorne	No reason to change what works
2022-05-15 11:10:16	dan01	Khorne: so why u like systemd-boot?
2022-05-15 11:10:23	Khorne	It's easy
2022-05-15 11:10:26	Namarrgon	dan01: just because the fs supports checksums doesn't mean that the used driver verifies the content
2022-05-15 11:10:27	dan01	I want to give it a try, because I head it's faster
2022-05-15 11:10:29	dan01	not so bloated
2022-05-15 11:10:34	Khorne	As in simple to configure
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2022-05-15 11:10:48	Khorne	Oh yes, all that bootloader bloat that matters for all of 10s during boottime if at all :')
2022-05-15 11:11:10	dan01	Ok ok I just want to try something new
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2022-05-15 11:12:15	artefact	https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Project_ideas#Audit_btrfs_code_in_bootloaders scary stuff
2022-05-15 11:12:20	phrik	Title: Project ideas - btrfs Wiki (at btrfs.wiki.kernel.org)
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2022-05-15 11:13:16	Khorne	dan01, trying something new is at least a better reason than 'muh bloat' to me :p
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2022-05-15 11:13:35	artefact	with efi you can mostly sidestep this by putting bzimage/initramfs on esp (or using a unified image)
2022-05-15 11:13:48	Ghosthree3	systemd-boot really is very easy to configure, and there's no chance of me forgetting to -mkconfig, because you don't generate any
2022-05-15 11:13:54	Khorne	^
2022-05-15 11:13:56	artefact	the mobo's fat32 impl is probably less buggy and more tested than bootloaders' btrfs code
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2022-05-15 11:15:21	dan01	Yes, but what if a hacker hijacks my kernel
2022-05-15 11:15:28	dan01	and puts a fake kernel on esp
2022-05-15 11:15:34	artefact	secure boot, tpm
2022-05-15 11:15:35	dan01	and the Putin knows my passwords
2022-05-15 11:15:57	teraflops	use secure boot
2022-05-15 11:16:05	dan01	Does Arch support it?
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2022-05-15 11:16:12	artefact	there's nothing to support in arch
2022-05-15 11:16:13	dan01	I could not boot with it on
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2022-05-15 11:16:57	Ghosthree3	it doesnt distribute signed kernels like ubuntu or fedora but you can sign them yourself with your own keys in efi
2022-05-15 11:17:25	artefact	or use shim/preloader
2022-05-15 11:17:27	Ghosthree3	secure boot is the answer if evil maid attacks are your concern though, not an encrypted initramfs imo
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2022-05-15 11:17:46	Ghosthree3	encrypted kernel/initramfs*
2022-05-15 11:17:53	artefact	well, secure boot on its own doesn't protect you against evil maid attacks. you also want something with a shared secret, like tpm2-totp
2022-05-15 11:18:07	artefact	secure boot is mostly against rootkits/malware that target the early boot chain
2022-05-15 11:18:57	Ghosthree3	wouldnt secure boot also stop someone swapping out your kernel or loader
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2022-05-15 11:19:07	artefact	not someone with physical access, no
2022-05-15 11:24:16	Khorne	Enroll your own keys, sign your kernels on a different device
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2022-05-15 11:24:35	Khorne	Hot glue the CMOS clear buttons :')
2022-05-15 11:25:06	Khorne	And hope they don't make the effort to attach directly to the Firmware chip to reflash it
2022-05-15 11:25:45	artefact	or just use tpm2-totp ;-)
2022-05-15 11:25:45	Ghosthree3	if someone has the tools i dont think there's anything you can do, not worth worrying about, just throw the device away if you think that could have happened
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2022-05-15 11:26:18	artefact	my worst fear is a stupid $0.20 usb keylogger
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2022-05-15 11:26:29	artefact	no easy fix against that
2022-05-15 11:27:02	Khorne	What if they wrench you over the head for your phone though
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2022-05-15 11:27:11	Khorne	somethingsomethingrelevantxckd
2022-05-15 11:27:21	Ghosthree3	just don't have anything on your phone, crappy devices anyway
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2022-05-15 11:27:40	Khorne	zzz
2022-05-15 11:27:45	Khorne	We were considering TOTP
2022-05-15 11:27:52	Khorne	Phone is usually the go to there
2022-05-15 11:28:06	Ghosthree3	can use totp generators on your pc
2022-05-15 11:28:12	Khorne	Great yea
2022-05-15 11:28:13	artefact	you can also buy keychain things
2022-05-15 11:28:18	Khorne	How does that help booting 
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2022-05-15 11:28:46	Ghosthree3	true, i misunderstood what you meant
2022-05-15 11:29:07	Ghosthree3	dont think these things are worth worrying about though
2022-05-15 11:29:14	Khorne	Not particularly no
2022-05-15 11:29:34	Khorne	As per usual, attack scenarios need to be estimated and planned for
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2022-05-15 11:30:59	Khorne	I just encrypt to protect against oh no im an idiot and left my laptop on a train or oh that guy has a shiny expensive laptop, lets steal that
2022-05-15 11:34:02	artefact	on a laptop i would probably use something like fsverity and systemd-homed, to allow safe suspend
2022-05-15 11:34:39	Khorne	I don't suspend, I shutdown like an old person
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2022-05-15 11:47:36	snath03	Are dkms modules supposed to be automatically loaded on boot? Or do we have to `modprobe` them ourselves?
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2022-05-15 11:48:41	Ghosthree3	modules are loaded when they are requested, no module is automatically loaded unless it's requested to be so by you afaik
2022-05-15 11:49:07	snath03	ah. okay.
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2022-05-15 15:58:30	sighoya	Hi, Guys,
2022-05-15 15:58:31	sighoya	did anyone know why systemd-networkd doesn't assign ip adresses to bridge devices?
2022-05-15 15:58:31	sighoya	See: https://bpa.st/5JGA
2022-05-15 15:58:32	phrik	Title: View paste 5JGA (at bpa.st)
2022-05-15 15:59:15	joakim	demonicmaniac1: got it to work, had to add i8042 to modules too.
2022-05-15 16:04:09	Ghosthree3	sighoya: looks like you are assigning one? is it ...not being assigned?
2022-05-15 16:04:40	sighoya	No, br0 is up but has no ip
2022-05-15 16:10:00	Ghosthree3	sighoya: maybe the configuration is failing because you have Gateway in the wrong section, should go under [Route]
2022-05-15 16:11:38	sighoya	Ghosthree3: arch wiki said it would be fine so
2022-05-15 16:12:20	sighoya	Ghosthree3: See: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/systemd-networkd#Bridge_interface, but  I will try the suggestion
2022-05-15 16:12:21	phrik	Title: systemd-networkd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-15 16:14:00	sighoya	Ghosthree3: It didn't change anything
2022-05-15 16:14:13	Ghosthree3	sighoya: >Tip: You can put the Address= and Gateway= keys in the [Network] section as a short-hand if [Address] section contains only an Address key and [Route] section contains only a Gateway key.
2022-05-15 16:14:17	Ghosthree3	(you also have DNS=)
2022-05-15 16:14:23	Ghosthree3	unfortunate :(
2022-05-15 16:17:44	Ghosthree3	sighoya: this is my completely working bridge setup, so its odd yours is not working, you have another device in the bridge? https://0bin.net/paste/KuQvFUgP#TB8jw-NnK7emekawoAJ/AVH2vOwMNrgwOVNPAKVXQ4L
2022-05-15 16:17:46	phrik	Title: 0bin - encrypted pastebin (at 0bin.net)
2022-05-15 16:17:46	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/omnO.txt
2022-05-15 16:19:59	sighoya	Ghosthree3: I've not the part that the bridge is linked to a real network device without ip, but I don't needed, Originally, I wanted to add another docker bridge for my rootless setup. But as it seems, docker doesn't find the bridge device, maybe the same with systemd?
2022-05-15 16:21:23	sighoya	Ghosthree3: The point is, I can set the ip manually with ip link, but systemd can't
2022-05-15 16:21:35	Ghosthree3	ah, hm, maybe try #systemd
2022-05-15 16:22:19	grawity	[Network] ConfigureWithoutCarrier=yes
2022-05-15 16:24:20	sighoya	grawity: Oh shit, you're right, it works, now I will retry it with docker. Thank you both Ghosthree3 and grawity
2022-05-15 16:44:59	artefact	"loadkeys fr-bepo" loads the layout but exits with code 1 and complains about "unknown keysym 'endash' lk_add_key called with bad keycode -1". this causes early boot to fail because of vconsole setup. can anyone reproduce?
2022-05-15 16:53:56	post-factum	for 7-zip in aur i've pushed a meson-based build (not upstreamed). if any of you are interested in both 7-zip and meson, please check the meson.build file and let me know if there's anything that could be improved (https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/7-zip and https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/meson.build?h=7-zip)
2022-05-15 16:54:00	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - 7-zip (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-05-15 16:54:13	post-factum	and better do that in aur comments
2022-05-15 17:27:51	sudoforge	redshift has recently stopped working for me. in testing, i can only get it to work when i start the geoclue agent, which the wiki states isn't necessary. i'm using the `geoclue` api key workaround and have properly configured redshift's desktop entry in /etc/geoclue/geoclue.conf. does anybody have any thoughts around which rabbit hole i should dig into?
2022-05-15 17:30:15	sudoforge	geoclue.conf: http://ix.io/3XQ8   |   redshift.conf: http://ix.io/3XQ9
2022-05-15 17:36:50	sudoforge	okay actually, i just remembered that i already start the geoclue agent in the background in my bspwmrc (in the background). going to redirect its output to a log file and debug from there.
2022-05-15 17:44:08	sudoforge	okay, my issue is that i had disabled the default desktop id whitelist and didn't initially have the demo agent whitelisted
2022-05-15 17:44:12	sudoforge	s/is/was/
2022-05-15 17:45:21	sudoforge	(i did in the file i uploaded earlier due to adding it during my last debugging session)
2022-05-15 18:01:40	irc_user	I was copying some files on windows from my internal nvme to an external nvme in an enclosure through usb-c, when the copy went from 150MB/s to 50MB/s and didn't speed back up. I thought it might be a stupid windows thing, so today I wake up and login to arch and try it with rsync, same deal, 150MB/s for a few mins, then drops to 50MB/s. Does anybody have and idea why that might be?
2022-05-15 18:04:23	Namarrgon	irc_user: the cache fills up
2022-05-15 18:07:04	irc_user	Ohh interesting, thank you!
2022-05-15 18:07:38	irc_user	So would the only way to speed up the copy be to get more RAM?
2022-05-15 18:07:52	Namarrgon	the cache of the ssd fills up, ram won't help
2022-05-15 18:07:57	Namarrgon	once the slc cache fills up you're down to the tlc/qlc write speeds
2022-05-15 18:08:14	Namarrgon	maybe it has some dram too but i don't know if ssds use it for caching
2022-05-15 18:11:34	irc_user	Oh okay. Does that mean that the cache deletes data slower that it reads it?
2022-05-15 18:11:49	irc_user	s/that/than
2022-05-15 18:12:55	Namarrgon	the fast cache is much smaller than the rest of the ssd, once the cache fills up you get the average write speed of the slow part
2022-05-15 18:15:39	irc_user	I guess I'm just confused about how it would "fill up" unless the data coming in is somehow faster than the data going out. But at this point it's just for my own interest, I'll just do some research SLC cache. Thanks a bunch for pointing me in the right direction!
2022-05-15 18:16:23	Namarrgon	the data is coming in much faster than even the cache
2022-05-15 18:21:18	irc_user	I see, thank you
2022-05-15 18:53:51	post-factum	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/74757
2022-05-15 18:53:52	phrik	Title: FS#74757 : [jami-daemon] latest opendht update broke it (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2022-05-15 19:19:55	Scimmia	post-factum: more likely a bug than need a rebuild 
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2022-05-15 19:26:54	RickHull	Hi, I had a real hard time getting arch installed, and I've been installing linux for over 20 years, and last installed arch around 2014.  mostly I think I got confused by the install page on the wiki
2022-05-15 19:27:36	RickHull	really it was getting a static IP able to ping archlinux.org on a wired cnx
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2022-05-15 19:29:01	RickHull	when I booted via USB (the arch iso), it used DHCP and had a great connection, and arch-chroot worked to help the install process, etc
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2022-05-15 19:29:33	RickHull	but the docs seemed very confusing for getting a static IP working on a wired connection
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2022-05-15 19:29:43	thurstylark	What tools are you using for network config?
2022-05-15 19:30:05	RickHull	i did just the base arch install, and i figured to use systemd where possible
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2022-05-15 19:30:21	thurstylark	so, you're trying to configure systemd-networkd?
2022-05-15 19:30:25	RickHull	this is a primarily headless home server box.  very minimal
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2022-05-15 19:32:43	thurstylark	so, you're trying to configure systemd-networkd?
2022-05-15 19:33:24	RickHull	i got it working, and yes, via systemd-networkd
2022-05-15 19:33:39	RickHull	i started with `ip link` and `ip address` commands, per wiki
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2022-05-15 19:34:21	thurstylark	ahh good deal
2022-05-15 19:34:24	thurstylark	!next 
2022-05-15 19:34:25	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-05-15 19:34:26	thurstylark	:P
2022-05-15 19:34:32	RickHull	the main problem i had, which took forever to figure out, was systemd-resolved
2022-05-15 19:35:12	RickHull	without enabling that, I couldn't e.g. ping archlinux.org
2022-05-15 19:35:32	thurstylark	yup. common point of confusion with systemd-networkd :P
2022-05-15 19:36:08	RickHull	i'm not sure i even wanted to use systemd-networkd, but I wandered into it because nothing else was working
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2022-05-15 19:37:20	thurstylark	well, it's the only network manager that comes pre-installed, so unless you installed one when in the iso env, then that makes sense
2022-05-15 19:37:35	RickHull	anyway, I'm happy to walk thru how I got a static IP (wired) working via systemd, and i don't think it's captured in the current wiki
2022-05-15 19:37:48	RickHull	this seems like a base case to me
2022-05-15 19:38:03	artefact	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-networkd#Wired_adapter_using_a_static_IP ???
2022-05-15 19:38:04	phrik	Title: systemd-networkd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-05-15 19:38:23	thurstylark	What about those instructions is lacking?
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2022-05-15 19:40:47	thurstylark	which is the hub for all the info on network config and their related utils
2022-05-15 19:40:51	RickHull	yes
2022-05-15 19:41:24	◣	EricG (~EricG@91.193.4.106) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-05-15 19:41:47	RickHull	i was down in the "Static or dynamic IP address?" section, and some branches from there
2022-05-15 19:42:03	RickHull	i got really lost in the `ip route` stuff
2022-05-15 19:42:30	RickHull	i knew i could just get DHCP, but i wanted a static IP
2022-05-15 19:43:23	thurstylark	This section contains a link to the network managers section on the same page: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration#Static_IP_address
2022-05-15 19:43:24	phrik	Title: Network configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-15 19:43:41	Edu4rdSHL	systemd ftw
2022-05-15 19:43:45	thurstylark	which links to the wiki pages for every supported network manager
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2022-05-15 19:44:47	teraflops	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/installation_guide#Network_configuration -> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration#Network_management -> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-networkd -> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-networkd#Wired_adapter_using_a_static_IP
2022-05-15 19:44:48	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-15 19:44:54	teraflops	4 clicksd
2022-05-15 19:44:59	teraflops	clicks^
2022-05-15 19:45:01	RickHull	yep, I got it sorted
2022-05-15 19:45:12	Scimmia	Static DHCP is the way to go in almost all cases anyway
2022-05-15 19:45:21	RickHull	but I'm suggesting that a static IP on a wired connection via systemd is a base case
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2022-05-15 19:45:43	RickHull	and I was trying to figure out routing tables for a while
2022-05-15 19:45:54	Scimmia	I'd suggest that it's not a base case at all
2022-05-15 19:45:58	thurstylark	the decision to employ a network manager is up to the user
2022-05-15 19:46:11	Scimmia	A very specialized case, really
2022-05-15 19:46:47	RickHull	anyway, the offer stands if anyone wants to help me support that happy path
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2022-05-15 19:49:49	dD__	After a crash, I restarted my computer and now my audio won't work.  I've tried with mpv, clementine, and firefox, and I can't listen to anything.  In most applications it won't even play music (it will be stuck) but even when it does, no sound comes out.  After debugging for a while it worked for a minute and then stopped again.  How could I debug this? 
2022-05-15 19:50:18	Edu4rdSHL	dD__, you updated recently?
2022-05-15 19:50:23	Edu4rdSHL	!give dD__ news
2022-05-15 19:50:23	phrik	dD__: 2022-05-12T19:48:50+0000: Undone replacement of pipewire-media-session with wireplumber <https://archlinux.org/news/undone-replacement-of-pipewire-media-session-with-wireplumber/>
2022-05-15 19:50:42	dD__	Edu4rdSHL: every day (:
2022-05-15 19:50:55	dD__	thanks, reading 
2022-05-15 19:52:46	SponiX	Edu4rdSHL: you shouldn't be using pacman -Syu <package> to install anything though right? just pacman -S <package>
2022-05-15 19:52:57	thurstylark	why not?
2022-05-15 19:53:10	thurstylark	do a package install and updates at the same time
2022-05-15 19:53:12	thurstylark	win win
2022-05-15 19:53:19	Edu4rdSHL	SponiX, unless -S returns a 404 
2022-05-15 19:53:25	teraflops	^
2022-05-15 19:53:35	thurstylark	-u fixes that, though
2022-05-15 19:53:51	Edu4rdSHL	-y really
2022-05-15 19:54:10	Edu4rdSHL	But the point is that there is not need for Syu every time
2022-05-15 19:54:22	thurstylark	no, -y without -u is what gets you into a partial update situation
2022-05-15 19:54:27	dD__	Edu4rdSHL: that did it, thank you very much
2022-05-15 19:54:31	Edu4rdSHL	And we are not talking about it
2022-05-15 19:55:00	Edu4rdSHL	You said that -u "fix" that but the one that really does it is -y because it sync the local dbs
2022-05-15 19:55:11	Edu4rdSHL	That's why I made the comment :)
2022-05-15 19:55:29	thurstylark	Oh, I see where you're coming from now
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2022-05-15 19:55:43	thurstylark	then s/-u/-yu/ in that comment then :P
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2022-05-15 20:00:23	RickHull	Scimmia, oh hm, "static DHCP" rings a very faint bell.  and yeah, honestly, during the install process, no reason not to use dhcp
2022-05-15 20:01:09	RickHull	this box is intended to be a DNS / pihole.  so i figured static IP was necessary.  is static DHCP usable here?
2022-05-15 20:01:10	FatAlbert	dumbledore got style
2022-05-15 20:02:12	thurstylark	RickHull: just takes a dhcp server that supports it
2022-05-15 20:03:42	RickHull	ah, I see, configured on the server rather than the client
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2022-05-15 20:04:48	thurstylark	yeah, the client just requests an address like normal, and the server reserves an address for that client specifically
2022-05-15 20:06:42	BrainDamage	you pin the mac address to a specific ip
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2022-05-15 20:21:18	tent405	how do I start an instance of zsh fresh with all my startup rc's disabled? ctrl+alt+v is starting vim editing a tmpfile I want to track that down and disable it
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2022-05-15 20:23:05	Edu4rdSHL	tent405, doesn't zsh has a --norc like bash?
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2022-05-15 20:25:01	tent405	if it does, it's not under that name
2022-05-15 20:25:34	Edu4rdSHL	https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/90302/noprofile-or-norc-functionality-in-zsh 
2022-05-15 20:25:35	phrik	Title: "--noprofile" or "--norc" functionality in zsh? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2022-05-15 20:26:23	RickHull	not to harp on this, but I suppose the crux of my confusion, is where on https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration does it describe how to set gateway and DNS for static IPs?
2022-05-15 20:26:24	phrik	Title: Network configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-05-15 20:27:24	Edu4rdSHL	RickHull, that configuration is done according to your network manager.
2022-05-15 20:27:31	RickHull	everything sort of leads to "set up your routing table" in the vein of "draw the rest of the owl"
2022-05-15 20:28:09	Edu4rdSHL	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-networkd#Wired_adapter_using_a_static_IP :)
2022-05-15 20:28:10	phrik	Title: systemd-networkd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-15 20:28:19	Edu4rdSHL	That link was already posted.
2022-05-15 20:28:52	RickHull	if that's the case, I would say something on that page like: if you are setting up a static IP, then use one of the following network managers: x, y z; and i'd guess systemd-networkd is near the top
2022-05-15 20:29:23	thurstylark	there's a section on that page about network managers already
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2022-05-15 20:29:31	thurstylark	with a table and proper links and everything
2022-05-15 20:29:35	Edu4rdSHL	^
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2022-05-15 20:30:55	RickHull	I agree.  my point is that the page leads you to "set up your routing table" instead of "choose a network manager"
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2022-05-15 20:32:17	Edu4rdSHL	Because you can configure a static network without a network manager.
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2022-05-15 20:32:52	thurstylark	not all wiki pages are written to be read linearly
2022-05-15 20:33:01	RickHull	and for the folks that want to use `ip route` directly, you probably don't need to shove that in their face
2022-05-15 20:33:12	RickHull	but yeah, anyway, I think we're on the same page
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2022-05-15 20:35:12	RickHull	there is a happy path that uses wired networking with static ips at install time, though I agree DHCP makes plenty of sense at install time.  but that particular "happy path" is not obvious from the install docs
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2022-05-15 20:38:45	teraflops	for me the happy path is the one that goes to the pub
2022-05-15 20:39:08	RickHull	\o/
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2022-05-15 20:39:59	RickHull	my nitpick is relevant to https://github.com/rickhull/public/blob/master/blog/pihole.md
2022-05-15 20:40:06	RickHull	which is a WIP
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2022-05-15 20:49:43	irc_user	I was copying files on windows but cancelled it midway to do the copy with rsync on arch. In this scenario, would `rsync -avP source dest` guarantee that all files got fully copied? Or would there be the possibility of there being a half file or something from when I cancelled the windows transfer
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2022-05-15 20:50:12	RickHull	it may depend on how exactly you initiated the windows copy
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2022-05-15 20:51:30	irc_user	I just did ctrl+c and then ctrl+v on a folder from an internal drive to an external drive. In what situation would all the files not get copied?
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2022-05-15 20:52:05	Edu4rdSHL	I will just delete the already copied files and start the process again.
2022-05-15 20:52:27	Edu4rdSHL	rsync doesn't know anything about windows ctrl c/v
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2022-05-15 21:01:23	aguitel	installing arch on a macbook air (year 2017) the problem is with the broadcom4360 network card which connects and disconnects randomly
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2022-05-15 21:02:27	aguitel	the installed driver is broadcom-wl-dkms
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2022-05-15 21:27:50	RickHull	does this look right?  I haven't tested it, just from memory https://github.com/rickhull/public/blob/master/blog/pihole.md
2022-05-15 21:28:09	RickHull	er, https://github.com/rickhull/public/blob/master/blog/pihole.md#static-networking
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2022-05-15 21:36:08	AmR	I need some help with https://pastebin.com/JS4Xjptk It's about /etc/systemd/system/vmware.service full code https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VMware 
2022-05-15 21:36:09	phrik	Title: vmware.service log - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-05-15 21:36:09	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/omRB.txt
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2022-05-15 21:46:18	Scimmia	AmR: the one in the wiki doesn't run something from /usr/bin/
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2022-05-16 20:53:50	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1483 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1482 normals)
2022-05-16 18:25:03	KingShark	!paste
2022-05-16 18:25:03	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-05-16 18:28:22	KingShark	how could i get rid of random crackling sounds? i tried all i found, summary here https://paste.rs/9iw
2022-05-16 18:31:48	KingShark	now also tried to set the default-sample-rate to 48000 in pulseaudios daemon.conf to no avail
2022-05-16 18:39:55	Namarrgon	are you sure it's not a hardware problem?
2022-05-16 18:40:33	KingShark	yeah no issues on debian and windows with the same hardware
2022-05-16 18:40:38	artefact	KingShark: cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/hw_params
2022-05-16 18:41:02	KingShark	artefact, returns "closed"
2022-05-16 18:41:08	artefact	play something, then
2022-05-16 18:41:25	KingShark	right can do but the issue occurs all random even when just logging in where no sound plays. or when opening the pulseaudio config tool
2022-05-16 18:41:39	artefact	or maybe you need to specify a different card
2022-05-16 18:42:04	KingShark	hum. $ cat /proc/asound/card lists card0/ card1/ card2/ cards 
2022-05-16 18:42:05	artefact	try cat /proc/asound/**/*p/*/hw_params
2022-05-16 18:42:32	KingShark	https://paste.rs/TPx
2022-05-16 18:43:03	artefact	what do you see in pulse logs/journal? anything related to "increasing fragment size"
2022-05-16 18:44:05	KingShark	i also tried default-fragments = 3 and default-fragment-size-msec = 5 in  /etc/pulse/daemon.conf (found that recommendation)
2022-05-16 18:44:43	artefact	i guess that's a bit of an x-y solution, but you could try pipewire
2022-05-16 18:45:06	artefact	if your audio artefacts are xrun-related, it's much better at avoiding those
2022-05-16 18:46:18	KingShark	trying to find the pulse logs right now x) 
2022-05-16 18:47:14	KingShark	journalctl has a bunch of 'pulseaudio[4438]: The decibel volume range for element 'PCM' (-9999999 dB - -500 dB) has negative maximum. Disabling the decibel range.'
2022-05-16 19:06:15	cyphertite	KingShark:  have you tried looking at the results of a DDG search for 'the decibel volume range for element 'PCM' has negative maximum. Disabling the decibel range.'?  
2022-05-16 19:09:41	KingShark	i managed to get a verbose pulseaudio log http://ix.io/3XVV
2022-05-16 19:10:33	KingShark	cyphertite, looking now. i saw the error, went into alsamixer and tried putting PCM to volume 0 to no avail
2022-05-16 19:11:05	mefistofeles	hey, how am I supposed to use this package? https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/conda-zsh-completion 
2022-05-16 19:11:07	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - conda-zsh-completion (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-05-16 19:13:08	CarloWood	>pacman -Qo /usr/bin/g++-10
2022-05-16 19:13:08	CarloWood	/usr/bin/g++-10 is owned by gcc10 1:10.3.0-2
2022-05-16 19:13:18	CarloWood	>sudo pacman -S gcc11
2022-05-16 19:13:18	CarloWood	error: target not found: gcc11
2022-05-16 19:13:21	CarloWood	wut?
2022-05-16 19:13:55	mefistofeles	CarloWood: you just want gcc
2022-05-16 19:14:05	CarloWood	gcc is 12
2022-05-16 19:14:11	mefistofeles	oh, is it now?
2022-05-16 19:14:33	mefistofeles	ah, I see
2022-05-16 19:15:32	mefistofeles	I see there's a gcc11 package in testing
2022-05-16 19:16:10	CarloWood	heh - well, I guess it will come. I'm installing compiler-explorer.
2022-05-16 19:16:20	CarloWood	https://github.com/compiler-explorer/compiler-explorer#running-a-local-instance
2022-05-16 19:18:58	CarloWood	There are no 'clang10, clang11, clang12, ...' packages?
2022-05-16 19:22:26	cyphertite	KingShark:  if you have any of these installed, be sure to read:  https://archlinux.org/news/undone-replacement-of-pipewire-media-session-with-wireplumber/
2022-05-16 19:22:27	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Undone replacement of pipewire-media-session with wireplumber (at archlinux.org)
2022-05-16 19:24:03	Edu4rdSHL	mefistofeles, https://github.com/esc/conda-zsh-completion/blob/382d840f7ad053b3b2ccf0b1f52b26bdabaf66b3/_conda#L15
2022-05-16 19:24:57	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: yeah, but /usr/share/zsh/site-functions/ is already in my fpath, that's what I don't get, and that's where the _conda function file resides
2022-05-16 19:25:15	mefistofeles	and there's no compinit command in my case
2022-05-16 19:26:05	CarloWood	Warning: Compiler Explorer is only tested against v16.x, but v18 was found.
2022-05-16 19:26:13	CarloWood	That's about nodejs
2022-05-16 19:26:57	CarloWood	Does Arch have a nodejs 16.x package? That is the "LTS" version :/
2022-05-16 19:27:32	mefistofeles	CarloWood: pacman -Ss is your friend
2022-05-16 19:27:59	DeepDayze	time for some pacman fever :^)
2022-05-16 19:28:18	mefistofeles	fever!... you give me feeeber
2022-05-16 19:28:23	mefistofeles	*feeever
2022-05-16 19:29:12	Edu4rdSHL	mefistofeles, eeeh, it's located in /usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/compinit but I haven't idea about zsh :p
2022-05-16 19:29:31	Edu4rdSHL	Apparently it should be loaded by zsh
2022-05-16 19:29:33	CarloWood	:: nodejs-lts-gallium and nodejs are in conflict. Remove nodejs? [y/N] 
2022-05-16 19:29:40	CarloWood	That didn't help :/
2022-05-16 19:30:21	DeepDayze	maybe the nodejs nerds can help
2022-05-16 19:30:36	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: I don
2022-05-16 19:30:43	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: I don't have that file
2022-05-16 19:30:46	Edu4rdSHL	CarloWood, and it works with 18 ?
2022-05-16 19:30:58	Edu4rdSHL	mefistofeles, it's part of the zsh package lol
2022-05-16 19:30:59	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: can you do pacman -Qo /usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/compinit ?
2022-05-16 19:31:03	mefistofeles	:/
2022-05-16 19:31:06	Edu4rdSHL	?wtf compinit
2022-05-16 19:31:08	@EMIYA	Edu4rdSHL: testing/zsh 5.9-1 (/usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/compinit), extra/zsh
2022-05-16 19:32:14	mefistofeles	oh, nvm, I do have it
2022-05-16 19:32:21	mefistofeles	for some reason it wasn't autocompleting it
2022-05-16 19:32:45	mefistofeles	probably a typo :P
2022-05-16 19:33:38	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-05-16 19:34:49	mefistofeles	ok, this works, I needed autoload -Uz compinit
2022-05-16 19:34:54	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: thanks
2022-05-16 19:35:43	mefistofeles	oh yeah, this will make my life much easier :)
2022-05-16 19:37:59	ds	jelle, Namarrgon: thanks for your input earlier—reverted sudoers and fixed the issue replacing 'sudo ps_mem' with while true/sleep loop and called *that* with sudo instead (plus tail = true in polybar). not as pretty as *actually* running as root > some.log, but saves needing a service for now since I may not be using i3/poly much longer anyway
2022-05-16 19:39:15	ds	tldr: i often struggle thinking outside the box. your patience is much appreciated ;)
2022-05-16 19:47:24	KingShark	i made a new observation regarding my sound crackling issues: no crackling if i keep the pulseaudio volume mixer opened in the background (one typical situation that reproduces the crackling is to restart pulseaudio. no crackling if the mixer is open). not sure how that makes sense xD
2022-05-16 19:49:41	mefistofeles	KingShark: is this crackling using bt headphones or something?
2022-05-16 19:49:56	mefistofeles	or is it present with every output device?
2022-05-16 19:50:00	KingShark	the crackling seems to come out of the builtin speakers
2022-05-16 19:50:22	KingShark	if i disable all output devices in the audio mixer, still cracks
2022-05-16 19:55:59	KingShark	i will give up for today its not that bothersome x) have a nice day
2022-05-16 20:10:41	nimnil	My laptop ended up in a state where its sound card is hardware toggled off. 
2022-05-16 20:10:49	nimnil	I had this before and know there is a command to reset it from cli
2022-05-16 20:11:01	nimnil	But i just cant remember and google turns up noting
2022-05-16 20:11:03	nimnil	nothing
2022-05-16 20:12:39	Edu4rdSHL	nimnil, well, unlock it using the hardware toggle then
2022-05-16 20:13:56	artefact	usually hardware toggles can't be untoggled in software
2022-05-16 20:14:16	gehidore	^
2022-05-16 20:16:23	Edu4rdSHL	Hardware toggles literally disconnects phisically devices, imagine trying to solve that by software
2022-05-16 20:16:57	artefact	then it's no longer a toggle. it's the floppy or sdcard write protect thing
2022-05-16 20:23:00	another|	you'd be surprised what kind of "hardware" switches are actually softswitches
2022-05-16 20:23:09	another|	the biggest I
2022-05-16 20:23:31	another|	the biggest I've seen was on a big printer. big red switch. all software
2022-05-16 20:24:03	artefact	so, webcam stickers still have a future
2022-05-16 20:24:17	gehidore	always
2022-05-16 20:53:16	river	anyone else can't shut down from xfce4?
2022-05-16 20:53:24	river	 have to go into console and run a shutdown command
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2022-05-17 15:13:10	snow43	when i'm trying to compile packages the output gets stuck on "checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler..." i'm using up to date system and official packages
2022-05-17 15:14:28	Namarrgon	is the base-devel group installed?
2022-05-17 15:15:03	snow43	yes, everything from that group
2022-05-17 15:15:08	Namarrgon	which packages are affected and how are youbuilding them?
2022-05-17 15:16:26	CubeTheThird	Would I be correct to assume that if a package fails to build because it's looking for libQt5Core.so.5.15.3, that it requires qtbase-5 version 5.15.3?
2022-05-17 15:16:58	snow43	i'm building "lib32-ncurses5-compat-libs " from aur
2022-05-17 15:17:18	BrainDamage	then you need multilib repo as well
2022-05-17 15:17:21	Namarrgon	snow43: do you have multilib-devel installed?
2022-05-17 15:17:46	snow43	it is installed aswell
2022-05-17 15:17:55	Namarrgon	CubeTheThird: that's a weirdly specific version that it depends on
2022-05-17 15:18:30	CubeTheThird	indeed. I'm not really sure what to make of it
2022-05-17 15:18:52	CubeTheThird	specifically I'm getting: ninja: error: '/usr/lib/libQt5Core.so.5.15.3', needed by 'pobfrontend', missing and no known rule to make it
2022-05-17 15:22:43	Namarrgon	snow43: have you tried a clean user account?
2022-05-17 15:22:56	Namarrgon	is there anything special about this system we should be aware of?
2022-05-17 15:23:07	snow43	i have not, let me try that 
2022-05-17 15:23:25	Namarrgon	make sure you're not out of space on any blockdevice
2022-05-17 15:25:54	Scimmia	CubeTheThird: is pobfrontend what you're trying to build?
2022-05-17 15:27:51	snow43	it gets stuck at the same thing
2022-05-17 15:32:45	CubeTheThird	Scimmia, yes that's correct
2022-05-17 15:34:10	Scimmia	CubeTheThird: have you built this before? Could that it's skipping building the binary because it's already built
2022-05-17 15:35:43	CubeTheThird	omg I can't believe I forgot to clear build cache first
2022-05-17 15:35:45	CubeTheThird	yep that did it
2022-05-17 15:37:26	Scimmia	snow43: there should be a more verbose log in the build dir, but what it would be depends on the build system. What are you trying to build?
2022-05-17 15:52:02	snow43	i've replaced whole /etc/makepkg.conf with makepkg.conf.pacnew and its working now, it's an old install, i've noticed quite a few differences
2022-05-17 15:52:56	Scimmia	so it was probably trying to use clang and you had flags in there that clang doesn't have. The verbose log would have shown that
2022-05-17 15:54:01	snow43	makepkg/ncurses5-compat-libs/src/ncurses-6.3/config.log   would this be the log for that?
2022-05-17 15:54:39	Scimmia	probably, yes
2022-05-17 15:56:02	Scimmia	that doesn't use clang, though, so I'm probably wrong
2022-05-17 16:05:06	guavahabanero	Hello! I updated this morning (i suspect it is due to freetype2)
2022-05-17 16:05:08	guavahabanero	[2022-05-17T01:11:04+0300] [ALPM] upgraded freetype2 (2.12.0-2 -> 2.12.1-1)
2022-05-17 16:05:16	guavahabanero	Where it's having trouble rendering only '
2022-05-17 16:05:20	guavahabanero	'
2022-05-17 16:05:28	guavahabanero	'ff' and 'ii' in mate
2022-05-17 16:05:36	susi	what kind of problem?
2022-05-17 16:05:51	guavahabanero	I hope this screenshot link works
2022-05-17 16:05:56	guavahabanero	https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/918257775690260540/976112514439991316/unknown.png
2022-05-17 16:06:10	guavahabanero	That's my steam taskbar
2022-05-17 16:06:18	guavahabanero	https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/918257775690260540/976112514439991316/unknown.png
2022-05-17 16:06:24	guavahabanero	And that is what happens to 'ff'
2022-05-17 16:06:39	guavahabanero	'ii' is similar
2022-05-17 16:06:47	guavahabanero	But a different character
2022-05-17 16:06:56	guavahabanero	So I'm assuming somewhere, there's an encoding issue
2022-05-17 16:22:44	matzy	Where do you find the PKGBUILDs for programs downloaded with an AUR helper?  Googling hasn't got me far and I need to grab the PGP key from it so I can finish an upgrade
2022-05-17 16:23:30	susi	matzy: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/
2022-05-17 16:23:46	susi	ah, sorry, misunderstood your question
2022-05-17 16:24:17	matzy	I meant, are they stored locally on your system after it downloads everything and prepares to upgrade?
2022-05-17 16:25:38	CubeTheThird	that is entirely controlled by the helper
2022-05-17 16:25:44	Gagis	yay at least has its own download destination. ~/.cache/yay maybe?
2022-05-17 16:25:51	matzy	Ahhh ok
2022-05-17 16:27:14	matzy	I'll search for the location of my specific helper then, thanks
2022-05-17 16:28:35	snow43	Scimmia i've found out the specific reason, there was a space after -Wp, in CXXFLAGS="$CFLAGS -Wp,(here)-D_GLIBCXX_ASSERTIONS"
2022-05-17 16:29:03	mingdao	matzy: If you can't find them there, `updatedb && locate PKGBUILD` or `find / -name PKGBUILD` will locate them.
2022-05-17 16:29:53	matzy	mingdao ah fantastic, thanks!
2022-05-17 17:03:19	lf94	so uh
2022-05-17 17:03:23	lf94	anyone still here
2022-05-17 17:05:02	heat	we've all passed away
2022-05-17 17:10:47	CubeTheThird	!anyone
2022-05-17 17:10:47	phrik	Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2022-05-17 17:11:06	poisond	hey :) I'm looking for an analog of xf86-video-intel VirtualHeads (man intel) for amdgpu. I only found a patchset that doesn't appear to have made it: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/amd-gfx/2016-August/001058.html . Use case: need to share screen using retarded software that doesn't allow sharing region of screen.
2022-05-17 17:11:08	phrik	Title: [PATCH 00/13] drm/amdgpu: Add virtual display feature. (at lists.freedesktop.org)
2022-05-17 17:12:49	artefact	poisond: can you use a webcam? x11grab+v4l2loopback sounds simpler
2022-05-17 17:13:47	poisond	artefact: yeah, I've tried that, but *cough*ms teams*cough* crops the webcam view for other people ...
2022-05-17 17:25:17	mingdao	Probably be design.
2022-05-17 17:25:24	mingdao	s/be/gy
2022-05-17 17:25:30	mingdao	s/be/by
2022-05-17 17:25:59	mingdao	!typos
2022-05-17 17:26:00	phrik	jelly12gen sure doesn't make them
2022-05-17 17:28:11	jelle	lol
2022-05-17 17:54:46	luukas	Hey all, is there any way to use 24 hour time with Firefox's <input type="time"/> element?
2022-05-17 17:57:22	cyphertite	luukas:  have you researched, or read:  https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/input/time
2022-05-17 17:57:23	phrik	Title: <input type="time"> - HTML: HyperText Markup Language | MDN (at developer.mozilla.org)
2022-05-17 18:01:22	mpan	luukas: as indicated by the documentation, Firefox uses your system’s locale. What is it currently?
2022-05-17 18:02:24	luukas	crphertite:  Yeah the first place I went to was MDN to check that the website I was visiting didn't make anything custom and tried setting LC_ALL and LC_TIME when launching Firefox
2022-05-17 18:03:29	cyphertite	luukas:  np - but please address mpan's query
2022-05-17 18:06:52	luukas	mpan: As I stated before, I've tried setting the LC_ALL and LC_TIME environment variables when launching Firefox and that didn't work. The locale I tried is fi_FI.UTF-8. It's listed in `locale -a`
2022-05-17 18:49:38	luukas	mpan: I set LANG=en_IE.UTF-8 and LC_COLLATE=C in /etc/locale.conf and everything works wonderfully. Thanks for the help!
2022-05-17 19:03:32	reactormonk[m]	I've installed the `opus` package, but `pkg-config opus` doesn't find it. The pkgconfig file is there though, according to `pacman -Ql`: `opus /usr/lib/pkgconfig/opus.pc`
2022-05-17 19:13:22	mpan	reactormonk[m]: what makes you think `pkg-config opus` doesn’t find it? Works here.
2022-05-17 19:14:10	reactormonk[m]	sorry, build was messing with it
2022-05-17 19:24:25	lastmikoi	huh, interesting, upgrading from pidgin 2.14.8 to 2.14.9 causes the whole software's font size to become ant-sized. I will have to investigate this further, probably some weird gtk misconfiguration on my end
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2022-05-18 18:37:08	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1454 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1453 normals)
2022-05-18 18:06:53	iqqdq	Hi my arch won't send any signal to the monitor with either dwm or sway. I've tried with linux-zen and the normal kernel, neither worked. startx says nothing, it just goes to a black screen. sway says no gpu found. But an ubuntu live iso works fine, as does windows. So I don't know where to go from here.
2022-05-18 18:07:31	iqqdq	gpu is nvidia geforce 970
2022-05-18 18:21:06	AkechiShiro	iqqdq: Probably some kind of kernel parameter missing that makes your GPU works, but you probably need to see what kind of parameters does the Live Ubuntu ISO boots to add them to your Arch bootloader
2022-05-18 18:22:42	Namarrgon	are you using nouveau with the 970?
2022-05-18 18:22:43	iqqdq	is this a recent change? a week ago it worked fine
2022-05-18 18:23:06	iqqdq	no im using the nvidia drivers, but i tried with nouveau and got the same result
2022-05-18 18:23:20	Namarrgon	how do you start dwm?
2022-05-18 18:23:35	iqqdq	i have exec dwm in my xinitrc and i type startx
2022-05-18 18:23:52	Namarrgon	is that the only line in ~/.xinitrc?
2022-05-18 18:25:06	iqqdq	no theres all the other stuff that comes with the default xinitrc file, i copied it and removed the xterm stuff and put dwm at the end
2022-05-18 18:25:17	Namarrgon	post the xorg log
2022-05-18 18:25:39	iqqdq	ok ill be back i have to get it
2022-05-18 18:31:34	iqqdq	heres the log https://pastebin.com/raw/MwSNzssa
2022-05-18 18:31:35	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oaZE.txt
2022-05-18 18:32:01	Namarrgon	post your ~/.xinitrc
2022-05-18 18:32:21	Namarrgon	"[   227.250] (II) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file."
2022-05-18 18:34:36	iqqdq	ok i have to go get it again sorry, brb
2022-05-18 18:36:48	iqqdq	here it is
2022-05-18 18:36:49	iqqdq	https://pastebin.com/raw/XiYJTC4b
2022-05-18 18:36:50	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oaZI.txt
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2022-05-18 18:41:59	Namarrgon	have you tried anything other than dwm?
2022-05-18 18:42:09	iqqdq	ya i tried bspwm and xfce
2022-05-18 18:42:14	iqqdq	and sway
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2022-05-18 18:43:17	Namarrgon	what is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d?
2022-05-18 18:43:21	Namarrgon	assuming you posted the correct log, it looks perfectly fine
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2022-05-18 18:43:39	iqqdq	brb
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2022-05-18 18:45:57	artefact	is it possible to have incremental builds with the repo generated by "asp checkout linux"? a new version discards all the old object files
2022-05-18 18:46:28	iqqdq	Ok I'm on my phone now can you tell me the file again, sorry
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2022-05-18 18:47:58	shadowless	iqqdq: Namarrgon| what is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d?
2022-05-18 18:48:05	shadowless	that is a directory, may or may not have multiple files
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2022-05-18 18:48:42	iqqdq	It has a file disabling mouse acceleration which I added, that's it
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2022-05-18 18:49:22	iqqdq	50-mouse-acceleration.conf
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2022-05-18 18:49:38	Namarrgon	you could have started the irc client on the same system, so you wouldn't need to reboot every time
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2022-05-18 18:49:58	Namarrgon	when was the last time sway worked on this system?
2022-05-18 18:50:10	Namarrgon	with the proprietary nvidia driver
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2022-05-18 18:51:16	iqqdq	Not recently at all, I just tried it now to see if it would work.
2022-05-18 18:51:28	iqqdq	Because dwm wasn't
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2022-05-18 18:52:44	Namarrgon	how did you build dwm?
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2022-05-18 18:54:54	iqqdq	I cloned the repo and compiled it unmodified, didn't work.
2022-05-18 18:55:15	iqqdq	And I added patches and my own config, that didnt work either
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2022-05-18 18:59:10	Namarrgon	where is the binary?
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2022-05-18 19:00:29	iqqdq	 At /usr/local/bin/dwm
2022-05-18 19:02:13	Namarrgon	is that in your user's $PATHß
2022-05-18 19:02:17	Namarrgon	?
2022-05-18 19:03:22	iqqdq	Yes
2022-05-18 19:04:48	Namarrgon	install openbox and try that
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2022-05-18 19:09:16	iqqdq	Didn't work. For what's it's worth, when I run startx, I can't even go to another tty. I have to restart my computer completely
2022-05-18 19:09:43	Namarrgon	ah well, that's just the usual blob fun then
2022-05-18 19:10:24	Namarrgon	which driver do you need for the 970? does 'nvidia' still support it?
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2022-05-18 19:12:16	iqqdq	Yes it supports it, I can try nouveau again but it didn't work either last time
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2022-05-18 19:12:52	shadowless	the nvidia package supports that card
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2022-05-18 19:15:19	shadowless	nouveau doesn't have proper power management for that card yet, it will run far slower than it was designed for
2022-05-18 19:15:45	iqqdq	With nouveau, sway still says found 0 gpus
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2022-05-18 19:16:26	Namarrgon	can you post the dmesg output?
2022-05-18 19:17:08	Namarrgon	sway needs an explicit switch for the blob, it won't work otherwise
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2022-05-18 19:18:19	iqqdq	https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tonijarjour/dotfiles/9a940829a73af3b72be158b47e27fcf01f613a61/system/dmesglog
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2022-05-18 19:19:08	Namarrgon	is the nvidia module loaded?
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2022-05-18 19:20:43	iqqdq	I don't know. how do I check? Right now I'm trying with nouveau anyway
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2022-05-18 19:21:04	Namarrgon	lsmod | grep nvidia
2022-05-18 19:21:41	iqqdq	Nothing
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2022-05-18 19:22:36	Namarrgon	well, you switch to nouveau now
2022-05-18 19:22:40	Namarrgon	*switched
2022-05-18 19:22:58	iqqdq	I'll go back to Nvidia
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2022-05-18 19:24:44	Dotz0cat	I am trying to install znc-push-git from the aur. But the connection to github keeps timing out during the build
2022-05-18 19:24:53	iqqdq	Ok now there are 4 items so I guess that means it's loaded
2022-05-18 19:25:12	Namarrgon	yes, post the kernel log again
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2022-05-18 19:26:53	iqqdq	https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tonijarjour/dotfiles/main/system/dmesglog
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2022-05-18 19:28:48	Namarrgon	still black screens?
2022-05-18 19:29:05	Namarrgon	how are you switching VTs once you're on that black screen?
2022-05-18 19:29:51	iqqdq	No sway says found 0 gpus. I'm switching by press Ctrl Alt F2
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2022-05-18 19:30:41	Namarrgon	forget about sway, get X working first
2022-05-18 19:31:00	iqqdq	The screen flickers. Not even a black screen, the monitor says Input not Supported
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2022-05-18 19:32:11	iqqdq	This is with dwm
2022-05-18 19:32:46	iqqdq	And all the other xorg programs I've tried
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2022-05-18 19:33:55	Dotz0cat	Is znc-push-git an orphan? If so I think I may adopt it
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2022-05-18 19:37:12	iqqdq	This started happening with a recent update. Things were working a week ago. And like I said Ubuntu and Windows work.
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2022-05-18 19:39:11	Scimmia	iqqdq: did a recent update remove the nvidia package?
2022-05-18 19:39:51	iqqdq	No
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2022-05-18 19:43:05	Edu4rdSHL	iqqdq, 
2022-05-18 19:43:21	Edu4rdSHL	tree /etc/X11/
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2022-05-18 19:44:51	iqqdq	3 directories 5 files, do you want me to post the output
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2022-05-18 19:45:18	Edu4rdSHL	Yes, please
2022-05-18 19:45:21	Edu4rdSHL	!rs
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2022-05-18 19:45:21	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
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2022-05-18 19:46:36	Edu4rdSHL	Also, which nvidia package do you have installed?
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2022-05-18 19:48:43	iqqdq	https://paste.rs/jq5
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2022-05-18 19:50:06	iqqdq	Right now it's nvidia-dkms with the zen kernel, but I've tried with nvidia and the normal kernel and that didnt work either
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2022-05-18 20:00:50	invis	hi I've installed manjaro and everything froze often while the environment is loaded so I switched to arch linux and when I suspend it freeze and my display stay down I am thinking to reinstall using linux-hardened rather than stock, any other tips on fixing this?
2022-05-18 20:00:58	iqqdq	Sorry I got disconnected if anyone typed something
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2022-05-18 20:01:41	Namarrgon	invis: -hardened is not going to fix the suspend/resume issues
2022-05-18 20:01:50	Namarrgon	iqqdq: try to enable early-kms
2022-05-18 20:02:48	invis	When my pc suspend it stop reacting any advice?*
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2022-05-18 20:03:42	damjan	invis: update the BIOS first
2022-05-18 20:03:49	invis	done
2022-05-18 20:04:05	invis	you mean the motherboard?
2022-05-18 20:04:20	◣	Hobbyboy (Hobbyboy@hobbyboy.co.uk) ha salido (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2022-05-18 20:05:01	susi	invis: cat /sys/power/state
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2022-05-18 20:05:59	susi	invis: and cat /sys/power/disk
2022-05-18 20:06:16	susi	oh, nvm the latter
2022-05-18 20:06:18	invis	susi state: "freeze mem disk"
2022-05-18 20:06:30	invis	I am in tty
2022-05-18 20:06:34	invis	console*
2022-05-18 20:06:46	susi	invis: what cat /sys/power/disk returns
2022-05-18 20:07:36	cedb	i swapped sudo for doas and im pretty happy about it, but paru seems to require it, should I just do a symlink ln -s /usr/bin/doas /usr/bin/sudo ?
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2022-05-18 20:07:42	invis	susi disk: [platform] shutdown reboot suspend test_resume
2022-05-18 20:07:44	cedb	a bit dirty for my taste but wtv i guess
2022-05-18 20:08:20	susi	invis: you want to suspend (to ram) or hibernate (to disk)?
2022-05-18 20:09:11	invis	I use i3 and when I come back after a while my screen are shutted down and I can't wake it
2022-05-18 20:09:25	susi	invis: cat /sys/power/mem_sleep
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2022-05-18 20:09:42	susi	invis: do you want to suspend to ram or hibernate to disk?
2022-05-18 20:10:14	invis	susi s2idle [deep]
2022-05-18 20:10:38	invis	I do not know which i3 use
2022-05-18 20:10:57	invis	hibernate maybe?
2022-05-18 20:11:11	susi	how do you trigger it? it's not i3's business to do the thing
2022-05-18 20:11:26	invis	so it's a different problem
2022-05-18 20:11:40	invis	I do not trigger it
2022-05-18 20:11:51	invis	no app were installed to hibernate/sleep
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2022-05-18 20:13:43	susi	you sure it's not just blacking the screen, but going deeper?
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2022-05-18 20:15:04	invis	susi what do you mean by "but going deeper"
2022-05-18 20:15:24	susi	actually trying to suspend (or hib) and not just turning screen off
2022-05-18 20:15:38	iqqdq	Namarrgon: didn't work, I added a kernel parameter and 4 mkinitcpio modules
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2022-05-18 20:15:45	invis	well moving mouse or hitting keyboard keys fail
2022-05-18 20:16:35	susi	invis: any leds you could observe? if it's a laptop does it have working brightness control keys?
2022-05-18 20:17:37	invis	PC the power button is lightened and the light on mouse and keyboard work but 2 times ago the mouse light wasn't working and maybe the keyboard failed to power
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2022-05-18 20:18:06	invis	maybe my comment was not that helpfull..
2022-05-18 20:18:26	artefact	have you tried the power button?
2022-05-18 20:18:44	invis	yes once to turn it off and it did nothing
2022-05-18 20:18:53	invis	so I have to hold it
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2022-05-18 20:19:10	artefact	anything in $(journalctl -b-1) ?
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2022-05-18 20:20:44	susi	is xss-lock running then? what's `grep IdleAction /etc/systemd/logind.conf`
2022-05-18 20:20:55	iqqdq	Ok now sway goes to the no signal screen, it doesn't complain that no gpu was found
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2022-05-19 18:52:37	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1457 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1456 normals)
2022-05-19 15:57:56	Foxboron	edgy: orphaned and unmaintained
2022-05-19 15:59:27	edgy	Foxboron: but I remember it was always updated to the latest version while in community
2022-05-19 16:00:01	edgy	Foxboron: is there a better alternative nowadays?
2022-05-19 16:01:01	sorta	woah this stellarium thing is pretty cool - https://stellarium-web.org/
2022-05-19 16:01:02	phrik	Title: Stellarium Web Online Star Map (at stellarium-web.org)
2022-05-19 16:01:35	Foxboron	edgy: I dont know
2022-05-19 16:01:58	sorta	the web version seems to work pretty well in the small time i used it
2022-05-19 16:02:25	edgy	sorta: yes, it's a great app, I might stick to the mobile version then
2022-05-19 16:02:33	jelle	or just build it from the aur? :o
2022-05-19 16:04:29	TobFromme	^ Agreed.  Just because it moved to AUR shouldn't sway you from using it.
2022-05-19 16:05:03	jelle	or flatpak!
2022-05-19 16:05:16	TobFromme	yep
2022-05-19 16:05:25	TobFromme	Another app I've heard of is Celestia, but never used it
2022-05-19 16:07:11	sorta	yeah i use notion-app from the aur even though the web version works. notion-app is much faster
2022-05-19 16:11:35	edgy	jelle, TobFromme: in aur it took ages to build every time
2022-05-19 16:14:36	edgy	jelle: flatpak version is not updated, bigger size, libs duplication, I didn't like it
2022-05-19 16:14:45	jelle	not much libs duplication
2022-05-19 16:20:46	TobFromme	I have compilation set to use 4 cores.  I just installed it, including any extra items it needed and it took 5 min 40 sec.  That's not bad for an older system.
2022-05-19 16:21:12	TobFromme	I don't know if the snap version is up to date, but that might help
2022-05-19 16:21:47	jelle	nah, snap is the inferior solution :-)
2022-05-19 16:22:39	TobFromme	oh boy... lol
2022-05-19 16:23:27	TobFromme	I never got into those holy wars.  If it works, then that's fine with me
2022-05-19 16:24:10	sorta	edgy: maybe theres a unofficial repo
2022-05-19 16:24:13	sorta	check pkgs.org
2022-05-19 16:26:57	Edu4rdSHL	archlinuxcn has the package.
2022-05-19 16:27:08	andril	o/ all
2022-05-19 16:27:18	Edu4rdSHL	!give andril welcome
2022-05-19 16:27:18	phrik	andril: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-05-19 16:27:27	sorta	lol
2022-05-19 16:52:42	jaket23	hello
2022-05-19 17:13:36	andril	thanks Edu4rdSHL ::0
2022-05-19 17:23:11	dotz0cat[m]	I got a new install on a acer craptop. I have installed grub as bootloader. But it does gives no bootable device found.
2022-05-19 17:27:13	susi	dotz0cat[m]: grep CMDLINE /etc/default/grub, /etc/fstab, lsblk -f
2022-05-19 17:32:06	TobFromme	I had that issue and the resoltuion was to use grub-install with --removable.  Many things can cause this though
2022-05-19 17:32:38	dotz0cat[m]	There is a /dev/mmcblk0boot0 that I have never touched
2022-05-19 17:32:46	susi	you don't need to touch it
2022-05-19 17:33:07	susi	these emmcs tend to have those weird hidden parts
2022-05-19 17:40:55	susi	don't touch that boot0 (nor boot1 nor rpmb)
2022-05-19 18:30:22	Manouchehri	with a PKGBUILD that uses git, what's the proper way to go into the source tree? When I do git status, I get: fatal: this operation must be run in a work tree
2022-05-19 18:30:48	Edu4rdSHL	Manouchehri, the source is in $SRCDIR
2022-05-19 18:32:11	andril	i recently installed nvidia-open and noticed that my brightness control is gone - anyone experience this or know how to fix it?
2022-05-19 18:33:35	toinux	Aaannnnnddddddd it's gone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DT7bX-B1Mg
2022-05-19 18:33:38	Manouchehri	Edu4rdSHL: hmm I don't think I asked my question that well. Like I want to make a quick patch modification as a test and use the modified source 
2022-05-19 18:34:25	Edu4rdSHL	Manouchehri, then create the patch and apply it in prepare()
2022-05-19 18:35:41	Manouchehri	Edu4rdSHL: yes I know the latter. :) I'm just trying to do the former faster without cloning an entirely separate git folder when I know makepkg has already cloned it somehow
2022-05-19 18:35:52	Manouchehri	it looks like it's doing a shallow clone or something new since I last used Arch
2022-05-19 18:37:24	Manouchehri	like I just want to modify what has already been cloned
2022-05-19 18:37:30	Manouchehri	and then use makepkg --holdver
2022-05-19 18:38:22	Manouchehri	sorry, it's a bare clone that's being done now
2022-05-19 18:52:38	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-05-19 18:57:55	psychotron	is there a good git for open cubic player?
2022-05-19 18:59:21	psychotron	aur ocp-git is not coming anymore?
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2022-05-19 19:04:37	ℹ 	Tema establecido por Namarrgon el vie, 06 may 2022 01:12:11
2022-05-19 19:04:37	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1457 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1456 normals)
2022-05-19 19:04:38	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-05-19 19:04:40	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-05-19 19:04:40	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-05-19 19:06:38	Edu4rdSHL	Use paru, nothing changes but it's written in Rust
2022-05-19 19:06:52	Edu4rdSHL	Seriously, it's better if you post the error that you're getting.
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2022-05-19 19:09:04	gehidore	and when yay fails use makepkg
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2022-05-19 19:14:40	psychotron	fatal: unable to connect to github.com:
2022-05-19 19:14:40	psychotron	github.com[0: 140.82.121.3]: errno=Connection timed out
2022-05-19 19:14:40	psychotron	==> ERROR: Failure while downloading ocp git repo
2022-05-19 19:14:40	psychotron	    Aborting...
2022-05-19 19:14:40	Namarrgon	github doesn't support the bare git protocol anymore, you have to use https
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2022-05-19 19:14:54	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-05-19 19:14:54	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1456 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1455 normals)
2022-05-19 19:14:56	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-05-19 19:15:23	Namarrgon	change "git://" to "git+https://" in the source URL
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2022-05-19 19:19:21	psychotron	what
2022-05-19 19:19:46	Namarrgon	do you know what a PKGBUILD is?
2022-05-19 19:19:54	psychotron	it works on other https
2022-05-19 19:20:31	psychotron	why does it not work with just this aur package
2022-05-19 19:20:41	Edu4rdSHL	psychotron, read again what Namarrgon said
2022-05-19 19:20:50	Edu4rdSHL	https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=ocp-git#n26
2022-05-19 19:20:52	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-05-19 19:22:27	psychotron	oh you were talking about the file
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2022-05-19 19:22:40	psychotron	I am stupid
2022-05-19 19:23:19	Edu4rdSHL	About the source line, exactly
2022-05-19 19:26:31	psychotron	thanks a bunch
2022-05-19 19:26:46	psychotron	no doesn't work
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2022-05-19 19:27:06	Edu4rdSHL	What doesn't work
2022-05-19 19:27:32	Edu4rdSHL	Just change source=("${_name}::git://github.com/mywave82/opencubicplayer.git" to source=("${_name}::git+https://github.com/mywave82/opencubicplayer.git"
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2022-05-19 19:27:41	psychotron	Hunk #1 FAILED at 9851.
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2022-05-19 19:27:51	psychotron	this kinf of messages
2022-05-19 19:28:04	Edu4rdSHL	That's a problem with the patchs then
2022-05-19 19:28:09	Edu4rdSHL	patches *
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2022-05-19 19:30:02	Namarrgon	welcome to vcs packages
2022-05-19 19:30:14	Namarrgon	is there a reason you're not using aur/ocp?
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2022-05-19 19:33:36	psychotron	I have older player version installed
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2022-05-19 19:33:53	psychotron	it still works
2022-05-19 19:34:07	psychotron	I don't want to destroy it
2022-05-19 19:34:48	psychotron	what is unifont.patch?
2022-05-19 19:35:03	Edu4rdSHL	Except that: Conflicts: ocp
2022-05-19 19:35:13	Edu4rdSHL	So, it will be "destroyed" anyways
2022-05-19 19:35:36	psychotron	I haven't installed the new package
2022-05-19 19:35:50	psychotron	cause it doesn't compile
2022-05-19 19:36:03	Namarrgon	do you know what a PKGBUILD is?
2022-05-19 19:36:18	psychotron	hitlers something
2022-05-19 19:36:54	Namarrgon	do you need help with arch or are you asking to get kicked?
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2022-05-19 19:37:21	psychotron	I don't want to be jerked around
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2022-05-19 19:37:58	psychotron	I don't need the update it still works
2022-05-19 19:38:00	Namarrgon	nobody is jerking you around but seem to be out of your depth, so we're starting with the basics
2022-05-19 19:38:16	Namarrgon	*but you
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2022-05-19 19:38:44	psychotron	I want to look at the old and the new what is the diff
2022-05-19 19:38:58	Namarrgon	look at the change log
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2022-05-19 19:40:46	Manouchehri	Edu4rdSHL: I ended up just doing a git clone of the bare git dir that makepkg downloaded, made changes, made a commit, generated a patch file, added the patch file to the PKGBUILD, and then rebuilt. 
2022-05-19 19:40:56	Manouchehri	kinda a hassle to just do a quick hacky test to see if it even compiles
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2022-05-19 19:42:31	psychotron	the unifont.patch is new thing
2022-05-19 19:43:00	Manouchehri	anddddd yeah my first commit failed
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2022-05-19 19:43:06	Manouchehri	so I have to redo that entire process :/
2022-05-19 19:43:25	psychotron	I'm too tired.
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2022-05-19 19:48:12	gehidore	good work Manouchehri 
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2022-05-19 19:48:39	Manouchehri	gehidore: I just thought there was a faster way to make local source changes to a PKGBUILD for testing purposes..
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2022-05-19 19:53:18	psychotron	16767 steps today (13,1km)
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2022-05-19 20:00:43	morguldir	Manouchehri: see the noextract option https://archlinux.org/pacman/makepkg.8.html#_options
2022-05-19 20:00:44	phrik	Title: makepkg(8) (at archlinux.org)
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2022-05-19 20:01:25	Manouchehri	morguldir: yeah except srcdir is a git bare clone, not a "normal" clone.
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2022-05-19 20:07:07	omen	sorry for all the stupid questions in advance and hi
2022-05-19 20:07:26	colo	lol, hi
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2022-05-19 20:08:59	kek_	hi
2022-05-19 20:09:16	mefistofeles	!give omen welcome
2022-05-19 20:09:16	phrik	omen: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
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2022-05-19 20:09:50	kek_	I have a systemd timer (user unit) and I want it to start on boot. I don't care if it closes if I close the session because I only have on user but it should run if I "relog" or whatever. Would I still use loginctl enable-linger?
2022-05-19 20:10:00	morguldir	Manouchehri: see what srcdir means inside https://man.archlinux.org/man/PKGBUILD.5#PACKAGING_FUNCTIONS
2022-05-19 20:10:01	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD(5) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
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2022-05-19 20:10:54	kek_	I'm also a bit confused as to why a systmd user unit isn't just running all the time? Aren't they basically there to replace cron jobs?
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2022-05-19 20:13:15	ℹ 	cdown_ es conocido ahora como cdown
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2022-05-19 20:14:08	morguldir	kek_: you have to enable it as well, the wiki page is also useful https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd/Timers
2022-05-19 20:14:09	phrik	Title: systemd/Timers - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-05-19 20:14:40	kek_	morguldir, ah so they are supposed to be enableable. Ok then I have a different issue
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2022-05-19 20:17:25	omen	do pacman -Syu also update AUR packages?
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2022-05-19 20:17:42	BrainDamage	no
2022-05-19 20:17:49	BrainDamage	pacman knows nothing of the aur
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2022-05-19 20:20:07	Edu4rdSHL	It does
2022-05-19 20:20:21	Edu4rdSHL	I told him that
2022-05-19 20:20:23	Edu4rdSHL	!aur
2022-05-19 20:20:23	phrik	The trash heap of Arch. Dig around enough and maybe you will find some gold.
2022-05-19 20:21:11	vitali64	!phrik
2022-05-19 20:21:11	omen	vitetris is gold nugget from aur
2022-05-19 20:21:11	phrik	Forever broken, but I'm still not your butler.
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2022-05-19 20:24:54	TheDcoder	Hi, I need quick help, I need to hop into a meeting soon and my wireless bluetooth headset's mic isn't being detected!
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2022-05-19 20:25:08	TheDcoder	I'm using PipeWire
2022-05-19 20:26:37	vitali64	Try PulseAudio
2022-05-19 20:27:10	TheDcoder	I tried it in the past, it doesn't work either :-/
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2022-05-19 20:27:56	machaddr_	alsamixer and then view the channels
2022-05-19 20:28:03	TheDcoder	Is there a way to disable my laptop's inbuilt mic on kernel level?
2022-05-19 20:28:33	kek_	thanks
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2022-05-19 20:29:07	machaddr_	alsamixer is in the package alsa-tools or alsa-utils, check it out
2022-05-19 20:30:25	TheDcoder	thanks machaddr_, I'm in alsamixer
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2022-05-19 20:35:28	TheDcoder	I don't see my bluetooth mic in alsamixer :-/
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2022-05-19 20:35:41	TheDcoder	`arecord -L` also doesn't show anything promising
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2022-05-19 20:36:29	Edu4rdSHL	Have you checked that the correct profile is selected for the device in pavucontrol?
2022-05-19 20:37:26	TheDcoder	"High Fidelity Playback" is selected
2022-05-19 20:38:02	TheDcoder	the only other profile variation is "Headset Head Unit"
2022-05-19 20:38:12	TheDcoder	which has an unsupported codec for my device
2022-05-19 20:38:20	TheDcoder	(it only supports AAC)
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2022-05-20 09:48:32	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-05-20 09:48:32	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1453 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1451 normals)
2022-05-20 00:53:36	topcat001	repo: you win :)
2022-05-20 00:54:11	topcat001	my readline is in vi mode.
2022-05-20 00:54:31	topcat001	so shell, python prompt, etc. ALL :D
2022-05-20 01:01:06	slimbo	how to generate a random string? tell new user to exit vi
2022-05-20 01:01:36	djapo	in a single disk installation is there any benefits to using a different partition for /home than / ?
2022-05-20 01:02:26	thrice	if you need to reinstall for whatever reason, your personal stuff is safe, without having to back-up / restore
2022-05-20 01:05:36	djapo	yes, ok ill create a home partition 
2022-05-20 01:05:59	topcat001	djapo: consider using LVM.
2022-05-20 01:06:00	Ghosthree3	its not worth it to me, i just have the one
2022-05-20 01:06:14	Ghosthree3	if i need to reinstall i just copy home off then back on
2022-05-20 01:06:51	djapo	what are the downsides?
2022-05-20 01:07:47	Ghosthree3	risk of filling up one of the partitions and having leftover space that might be useful on the other
2022-05-20 01:08:22	Ghosthree3	if i'd made a small / early on i'd have run into issues down the road with libvirt images being huge which would have been a real pain
2022-05-20 01:08:31	susi	with logical volumes, there's not even that
2022-05-20 01:09:03	djapo	topcat001: im not thinking of using raid because this is a laptop
2022-05-20 01:09:20	topcat001	It has nothing to do with redundancy
2022-05-20 01:10:25	susi	it just feels Right to have your 'personal filespace' be separate from the System, and there are benefits in multiple scenarios; can't see any real downsides
2022-05-20 01:10:44	topcat001	djapo: this is an example setup:
2022-05-20 01:11:12	djapo	topcat001: but if one disk fails in LVM aren't other logical volumes at risk ?
2022-05-20 01:11:14	topcat001	bare GPT partition < LVM < (/, /home)
2022-05-20 01:11:39	topcat001	now you have separate / and /home but complete flexibility
2022-05-20 01:11:52	topcat001	there is only one disk in this setup
2022-05-20 01:12:02	djapo	yes
2022-05-20 01:12:09	topcat001	LVM is not just about RAID
2022-05-20 01:14:16	topcat001	!give djapo aw lvm
2022-05-20 01:14:17	phrik	djapo: Lvm - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Lvm
2022-05-20 01:16:08	djapo	topcat001: so with LVM i can pvmove a logical disk to an external drive ?
2022-05-20 01:17:18	topcat001	you could if you wanted to
2022-05-20 01:18:00	susi	see Advantages/Disadvantages in that wiki article
2022-05-20 01:18:43	topcat001	but in this case you would say create (just random examples) a 10 GB / and 10 GB /home LVs which would keep things separate...
2022-05-20 01:18:56	topcat001	then expand the LVs as needed
2022-05-20 01:19:06	thrice	dunno, just size / big enough, make the rest /home, and never worry about it again
2022-05-20 01:19:12	tonitch	!rs
2022-05-20 01:19:13	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2022-05-20 01:19:15	topcat001	just some scenarios
2022-05-20 01:19:36	susi	lvm also provides snapshots
2022-05-20 01:19:55	topcat001	indeed
2022-05-20 01:20:08	MacGyver	There's no actual disadvantages to LVM. Those bulletpoints are "stupid things that won't work without LVM either".
2022-05-20 01:20:10	sheep	they're block-level snapshots, so not as good as the snapshotting in btrfs and zfs
2022-05-20 01:20:35	topcat001	djapo: one small step at a time; don't try a super complicated setup to start with.
2022-05-20 01:21:06	MacGyver	If you're choosing between "ext on LVM" or "ext on bare metal", ext on LVM 100% of the time.
2022-05-20 01:21:08	topcat001	you could say make / - ext4 and /home btrfs and snapshot the fs
2022-05-20 01:21:47	MacGyver	That said, btrfs gives you the same advantages nowadays and btrfs *on* LVM doesn't make much sense for most people.
2022-05-20 01:22:35	topcat001	yes actually just btrfs subvols does all that, true
2022-05-20 01:22:54	MacGyver	(I say *most* people; *I* would definitely still put btrfs on top of LVM)
2022-05-20 01:23:02	topcat001	:)
2022-05-20 01:23:14	MacGyver	(But I'm weird)
2022-05-20 01:23:52	thrice	just to make it as complex as possible, for little gain?
2022-05-20 01:24:07	topcat001	!give MacGyver cookie
2022-05-20 01:24:08	phrik	MacGyver: topcat001 wanted you to have this cookie. 🍪
2022-05-20 01:24:20	susi	but if the underlying media is eMMC, then no btrfs and go with ext
2022-05-20 01:24:40	MacGyver	thrice: No, I've got a few things going on that afaik btrfs can't do for me, like LUKS-partitions that I unlock / lock as required.
2022-05-20 01:24:49	cookie	topcat001: how could you give me?! i didn't consent to this \j
2022-05-20 01:24:55	MacGyver	thrice: Also raw partitions I pass to a VM.
2022-05-20 01:25:03	topcat001	oops :D
2022-05-20 01:25:09	MacGyver	thrice: So I'd still be using LVM anyway.
2022-05-20 01:25:12	cookie	it's okay, i get it a lot when i use this nick
2022-05-20 01:25:19	cookie	on you go :p
2022-05-20 01:27:17	Ghosthree3	MacGyver: the disadvantage is having to set up LVM with no benefit in most cases tbh (i have literally never used it and never felt i had to), of course if you have it set up and working then at that point it's at worst no worse i guess
2022-05-20 01:27:44	Ghosthree3	i do just use btrfs now though on new systems, not that i'd use lvm with ext either
2022-05-20 01:27:49	MacGyver	Ghosthree3: Everyone thinks LVM doesn't give them any advantage *right* up until the point where they find their / is full and /home has plenty of space left. Or vice versa.
2022-05-20 01:27:59	Ghosthree3	right but i dont have a split / and /home
2022-05-20 01:28:03	Ghosthree3	so thats never going to happen
2022-05-20 01:28:30	djapo	after reading the wiki, it seems that LVM benefits most from multiple disks. for this simple 1 disk setup ill just use regular partitions with no LVM because like thrice recommended im sizing them big enough that I wont ever need to resize them.
2022-05-20 01:28:47	MacGyver	djapo: You're making a mistake, but you do you.
2022-05-20 01:28:58	MacGyver	It can be a nice learning experience for the next time.
2022-05-20 01:28:59	topcat001	the wiki is a bit biased towards that usecase
2022-05-20 01:29:13	Ghosthree3	imo you either dont split / and /home OR use lvm, split / and /home without lvm certainly seems like pain down the road
2022-05-20 01:29:47	MacGyver	After the first time I had to resize raw partitions I swore never again and always used LVM on single-disk systems as well. Using LVM for multi-disk spanning of a single volume without a RAID layer is asking for data loss.
2022-05-20 01:29:49	thrice	why?  just make the root partition big enough
2022-05-20 01:30:00	thrice	I get your point
2022-05-20 01:30:18	thrice	but I think you are exagerating the occurance
2022-05-20 01:30:30	topcat001	topcat001: LVM is not just for multiple disks. Kinda orthogonal really but the article might make one think so.
2022-05-20 01:30:55	topcat001	multi-disk is of course an important use case
2022-05-20 01:31:05	thrice	I think I used LVM last in 2007 or something, when my disk was 80gb
2022-05-20 01:31:30	topcat001	it's like saying encryption only works on Linux because all one has read is the Archwiki ;)
2022-05-20 01:32:12	topcat001	gosh did I just tab complete myself? lol
2022-05-20 01:32:18	topcat001	!tabfail
2022-05-20 01:32:19	phrik	 0  days since the last tab failure. Completion safety is our union goal!
2022-05-20 01:34:11	djapo	Ill consider LVM for something like a NAS
2022-05-20 01:34:57	topcat001	although for many users just a single / will probably be enough
2022-05-20 01:46:40	Ghosthree3	i dont see any point in splitting them unless you dual boot distros or frequently distro hop
2022-05-20 01:47:32	susi	ain't my setup crazy: https://0x0.st/oaBM.txt  (p4 is LVM on LUKS)
2022-05-20 01:54:51	topcat001	I was going to post an example with LUKS :)
2022-05-20 01:55:01	topcat001	!give susi cookie
2022-05-20 01:55:02	phrik	susi: topcat001 wanted you to have this cookie. 🍪
2022-05-20 01:55:14	topcat001	(with apologies to cookie)
2022-05-20 02:09:49	susi	(and that p1 should show type 'Linux swap')
2022-05-20 02:11:05	MacGyver	Yeah my setup goes a bit beyond that :P
2022-05-20 02:11:18	MacGyver	Currently got 12 active LVs.
2022-05-20 02:36:06	jenia2	Hello. I installed this AUR package: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gnome-icon-theme-symbolic
2022-05-20 02:36:08	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - gnome-icon-theme-symbolic (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-05-20 02:36:45	jenia2	but now I cannot uninstall it using sudo pacman -R gnome-icon-theme-symbolic. I'm not understaind it. What am I suppose to do?
2022-05-20 02:37:25	sheep	what message do you get from pacman?
2022-05-20 02:37:27	mpan	jenia2: you did not post the exact errors you are receiving?
2022-05-20 02:39:25	mpan	I mean… it should fail, but pacman should give a very clear information on why it fails.
2022-05-20 02:39:43	jenia2	mpan: error: target not found: gnome-icon-theme-symbolic
2022-05-20 02:40:05	jenia2	the package is not found.
2022-05-20 02:40:13	sheep	what were the exact steps you did to install the package>?
2022-05-20 02:40:15	mpan	ok, so it’s not the case I thought.
2022-05-20 02:40:22	jenia2	makepkg sri
2022-05-20 02:40:24	jenia2	:)
2022-05-20 02:40:31	mpan	And did it actually install it?
2022-05-20 02:40:34	jenia2	yes
2022-05-20 02:40:43	jenia2	when I do makepkg sri again, it tells me that it's installed
2022-05-20 02:40:49	mpan	Provide the output of `grep -F gnome-icon-theme-symbolic`, please.
2022-05-20 02:41:09	mpan	SRY
2022-05-20 02:41:14	mpan	Provide the output of `grep -F gnome-icon-theme-symbolic /var/log/pacman.log`, please. :)
2022-05-20 02:42:14	jenia2	[2022-05-19T20:19:59-0400] [PACMAN] Running '/usr/bin/pacman -S --asdeps gnome-icon-theme gnome-icon-theme-symbolic'
2022-05-20 02:42:24	mpan	That’s all?
2022-05-20 02:42:27	jenia2	[2022-05-19T20:21:17-0400] [PACMAN] Running '/usr/bin/pacman -S --asdeps gnome-icon-theme-symbolic'
2022-05-20 02:42:34	jenia2	[2022-05-19T20:27:30-0400] [PACMAN] Running '/usr/bin/pacman -S --asdeps gnome-icon-theme-symbolic'
2022-05-20 02:42:41	jenia2	[2022-05-19T20:31:27-0400] [PACMAN] Running 'pacman -R gnome-icon-theme-symbolic'
2022-05-20 02:42:42	jenia2	[2022-05-19T20:31:58-0400] [PACMAN] Running 'pacman -R gnome-icon-theme-symbolic'
2022-05-20 02:42:44	jenia2	[2022-05-19T20:32:37-0400] [PACMAN] Running 'pacman -R gnome-icon-theme-symbolic'
2022-05-20 02:42:55	mpan	That can’t be, as the package is not in the repos. Those commands would neither be called by `makepkg` nor they would succeed.
2022-05-20 02:43:03	mpan	Are you running Arch or some “arch-derived distro”?
2022-05-20 02:43:36	MacGyver	mpan: extra/gnome-icon-theme-symbolic
2022-05-20 02:43:47	jenia2	Arch. I tried installing gnome-icon-theme and gnome-icon-theme using pacman at first but it failed
2022-05-20 02:43:51	MacGyver	I haven't synced in a few weeks, may have been dropped.
2022-05-20 02:43:52	mpan	MacGyver: ?
2022-05-20 02:43:59	MacGyver	mpan: I'm saying it's there.
2022-05-20 02:44:20	sheep	it looks like it was copied from community on 2022-04-01
2022-05-20 02:44:23	mpan	https://archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&q=gnome-icon-theme-symbolic
2022-05-20 02:44:24	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2022-05-20 02:44:54	mpan	jenia2: anyway, that also indicates the package is already uninstalled. Provide the exact message from makepkg.
2022-05-20 02:45:07	MacGyver	Yeah, so, this is probably an out-of-date package database.
2022-05-20 02:45:17	MacGyver	But still arch, probably.
2022-05-20 02:45:27	jenia2	==> ERROR: A package has already been built. (use -f to overwrite)
2022-05-20 02:45:29	jenia2	sorry 
2022-05-20 02:45:30	jenia2	lol
2022-05-20 02:45:32	mpan	Yeah, maybe outdated.
2022-05-20 02:45:45	jenia2	only build. not installed. :)
2022-05-20 02:45:58	mpan	jenia2: please, provide the exact errors you get, when reporting the problems. Not your interpretations of them. This is exactly what: the message says something different.
2022-05-20 02:46:03	thrice	why would it check the repo db when trying to remove a package?
2022-05-20 02:46:04	mpan	jenia2: the package is already built, as indicated. 
2022-05-20 02:46:16	mpan	thrice: it does not. The package is simply not installed at all.
2022-05-20 02:46:28	mpan	jenia2: but you never installed it.
2022-05-20 02:46:41	thrice	aaah
2022-05-20 02:47:50	mpan	jenia2: pacman -U path/to/the/built/package/file
2022-05-20 02:47:52	mpan	(with sudo)
2022-05-20 02:50:36	jenia2	mpan: 1 min
2022-05-20 02:51:20	jenia2	ummm I did makepkg --install install of pacman -U
2022-05-20 02:53:15	MacGyver	Looking at makepkg, that should result in the same thing; I don't see how makepkg would run pacman -S even if the package you just built was already in the repos.
2022-05-20 02:53:40	MacGyver	Did you run those pacman -S commands you showed in the log by hand?
2022-05-20 02:53:58	MacGyver	Ooooh wait a second.
2022-05-20 02:54:26	jenia2	MacGyver: yes
2022-05-20 02:54:26	MacGyver	Yeah that actually does look like what makepkg does on line 290.
2022-05-20 02:55:25	lmat	My terminal is a little busted. https://imgur.com/a/WiFmak4  I just installed arch linux yesterday and this is how the terminal looks.
2022-05-20 02:55:25	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2022-05-20 02:56:02	lmat	locale; returns https://paste.rs/qwU  ... how should I begin debugging this?
2022-05-20 02:56:13	mpan	MacGyver: it might have been installed as deps.
2022-05-20 02:56:20	mpan	(note it was invoked with -sir)
2022-05-20 02:56:37	MacGyver	mpan: Yeah but makepkg only runs pacman -S in one place.
2022-05-20 02:56:44	lmat	Oh, heh. I clicked "Use System Font" and it's looking much better. Thanks, guys!
2022-05-20 02:56:49	MacGyver	mpan: It's weird that the package they're building would end up in the deplist.
2022-05-20 02:57:09	mpan	My comment “that can’t be” was related mostly to reportedly -i being invoked, not no traces `pacman -U`, while we see pairs of `pacman -S` and `pacman -R` on a package that’s not even in the repos.
2022-05-20 02:57:11	Edu4rdSHL	jenia2, sorry but that issue is not reproducible
2022-05-20 02:57:44	Edu4rdSHL	https://paste.rs/y8J
2022-05-20 02:57:51	mpan	But if they have outdated repos and the error from makepkg was about the package being built (not being installed), it makes more sense now. I worked under the assumptions based on their report. 
2022-05-20 02:58:05	Edu4rdSHL	The package can be uninstalled just fine with pacman -R
2022-05-20 02:58:25	mpan	Edu4rdSHL: but it is not installe, it seems. :)
2022-05-20 02:58:33	Edu4rdSHL	Make sure you don't have a typo in your pkgname
2022-05-20 02:58:56	MacGyver	jenia2: Does `pacman -Ss gnome-icon-theme-symbolic` return extra/gnome-icon-theme-symbolic ?
2022-05-20 02:58:58	Edu4rdSHL	mpan, yes, that or a typo, but there aren't particular issues with that package
2022-05-20 02:59:18	Edu4rdSHL	That doesn't exists, MacGyver 
2022-05-20 02:59:19	jenia2	pacman -Ss gnome-icon-theme-symbolic returns nothing
2022-05-20 02:59:41	Edu4rdSHL	jenia2, pacman -Qs gnome-icon-theme
2022-05-20 02:59:53	MacGyver	Edu4rdSHL: Not in the *current* version of the repos, no, but it existed a month ago.
2022-05-20 03:00:05	jenia2	local/gnome-icon-theme 3.12.0-6
2022-05-20 03:00:06	jenia2	    GNOME icon theme
2022-05-20 03:00:08	jenia2	local/gnome2-icon-theme-symbolic 2.31.0-2
2022-05-20 03:00:09	jenia2	    GNOME 2 icon theme, symbolic icons
2022-05-20 03:00:16	heat_	lmat, make sure you're using a monospace font!
2022-05-20 03:00:21	MacGyver	Edu4rdSHL: I wonder if there's a weird corner case going on with that package having disappeared.
2022-05-20 03:00:25	Edu4rdSHL	jenia2, there you go
2022-05-20 03:00:29	jenia2	I installed this package https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gnome2-icon-theme-symbolic and gnome-icon-theme after
2022-05-20 03:00:30	Edu4rdSHL	local/gnome2-icon-theme-symbolic
2022-05-20 03:00:32	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - gnome2-icon-theme-symbolic (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-05-20 03:00:35	Edu4rdSHL	:)
2022-05-20 03:00:45	Edu4rdSHL	Indeed, local/gnome-icon-theme-symbolic doesn't exists
2022-05-20 03:01:30	Edu4rdSHL	So, what you need to run is `pacman -R gnome2-icon-theme-symbolic`
2022-05-20 03:02:04	Edu4rdSHL	MacGyver, I see, I was not aware of that!
2022-05-20 03:02:13	jenia2	nono. the gnome2-icon-theme-symbolic I need because I want to use vitals gnome plugin
2022-05-20 03:02:31	mpan	jenia2: but it conflicts with what you want to install.
2022-05-20 03:02:32	Edu4rdSHL	So? You dont have gnome-icon-theme-symbolic installed
2022-05-20 03:02:43	Edu4rdSHL	Why do you want to uninstall something that is not installed
2022-05-20 03:03:34	jenia2	Edu4rdSHL: I did not read the message pacman gave carefully when I tried to unsintall gnome-icon-theme-symbolic.
2022-05-20 03:03:49	Edu4rdSHL	Well...
2022-05-20 03:04:10	jenia2	I mean, I thought that the package was installed when it was not...
2022-05-20 03:04:12	jenia2	lol
2022-05-20 03:04:13	jenia2	:)
2022-05-20 03:04:17	jenia2	sorry for the confusion
2022-05-20 03:04:20	Edu4rdSHL	Np
2022-05-20 03:04:22	Edu4rdSHL	!next
2022-05-20 03:04:22	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-05-20 03:04:28	jenia2	thank you for your help!!
2022-05-20 03:04:32	jenia2	all of you!
2022-05-20 03:04:40	mpan	There is a reason we ask for exact messages. You wouldn’t be suspected of using “arch-derived” distro, if not the initial confusion. :P
2022-05-20 03:05:22	Edu4rdSHL	Yep, that would have been easily identified with the full log of makepkg -sri
2022-05-20 03:05:39	jenia2	:)
2022-05-20 03:06:30	billy02812	How can I search for orphaned packages, including ones that are merely required by other orphans?  I found that lib32-libglvnd isn't showing as an orphan because it's required by lib32-mesa, and lib32-mesa isn't showing because it's required by lib32-libglvnd.  (I'm done with multilib, and although I could easily just remove all lib32, I'm curious what other circular dependency packages are
2022-05-20 03:06:30	billy02812	collective
2022-05-20 03:06:32	billy02812	orpnahs.
2022-05-20 03:06:59	billy02812	I did find a Trilby script on the forums from 2015, but wondering if there's a more modern/better way
2022-05-20 03:07:37	Edu4rdSHL	billy02812, well, pacman -Qtqd
2022-05-20 03:07:54	Scimmia	dep cycles are difficult
2022-05-20 03:08:55	billy02812	Edu4rdSHL: yeah, because it's a dependency cycle, that doesn't show it
2022-05-20 03:09:44	ken123	I'm starting not to like Broadcom much.
2022-05-20 03:10:28	billy02812	Maybe Trilby's script at https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=185634 is still the best way then
2022-05-20 03:10:30	phrik	Title: on circular/cyclic dependencies (freetype2/harfbuzz) / Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-05-20 03:12:27	Scimmia	probably
2022-05-20 03:13:57	billy02812	just found 140 more packags i can remove, and only like 1/3 of them are the lib32's
2022-05-20 03:15:18	jenia2	I finally see the awesome info regarding CPU temp on my Gnome top bar
2022-05-20 03:15:20	jenia2	:)
2022-05-20 03:16:22	Edu4rdSHL	!party
2022-05-20 03:16:22	phrik	http://i.imgur.com/ph1fd.gif
2022-05-20 03:17:15	MacGyver	ken123: Only now?
2022-05-20 03:18:55	jenia2	Edu4rdSHL: lol :)
2022-05-20 03:20:35	ken123	MacGyver: Ha ha, it works  I found this hack to make it work better https://www.perfacilis.com/blog/systeembeheer/linux/install-asus-pce-ac88-on-linux.html thing about trying it out but I also have an Intel card I can just plug in and be done with it, playing around. 
2022-05-20 03:20:37	phrik	Title: Installing PCE-AC88 using ASUS' latest firmware - Perfacilis (at www.perfacilis.com)
2022-05-20 03:21:50	MacGyver	ken123: Broadcom is the absolute worst.
2022-05-20 03:22:03	MacGyver	Closely followed by the newer quallcom/atheros unfortunately.
2022-05-20 03:22:24	MacGyver	Linux support used to be so good, went to crap after the takeover.
2022-05-20 03:25:09	ken123	MacGyver: Yeah I thought they were all about the FOSS I guess not anymore, sucks. 
2022-05-20 04:16:10	Corshine	anyone using android emulator on arch?
2022-05-20 04:19:31	DeepDayze	wish you can emulate a phone on your Arch laptop!
2022-05-20 04:20:44	NoobAlice	Corshine, DeepDayze - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Android
2022-05-20 04:20:45	phrik	Title: Android - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-20 04:29:38	mpan	In case user tmpm697 appears on #archlinux, see #libera about now and 25 min before. Just giving head ups.
2022-05-20 04:32:54	senoraraton	So I just did a fresh install of arch, and I didn't pacstrap net-tools so... How do I connect to my SSID?
2022-05-20 04:33:25	xnovax	you can just load whatever you used to install arch, and chroot into your install and then install it with pacman
2022-05-20 04:33:36	mpan	senoraraton: you may chroot into the installed arch and install things, if you have connection from Arch ISO.
2022-05-20 04:44:33	Edu4rdSHL	senoraraton, you installed iwd ?
2022-05-20 04:44:35	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-05-20 04:47:47	⚡ 	tomty89 wonders if iwd will ever support interface whitelisting for ssids
2022-05-20 04:54:48	senoraraton	No, I did not.  All I had was ip
2022-05-20 06:45:13	mattf	ruby guys, pacman -S ruby-rake then ran `rake` and got  
2022-05-20 06:45:29	mattf	http://ix.io/3YbO
2022-05-20 06:45:51	mattf	rake aborted
2022-05-20 06:45:57	mattf	cannot load -- zip
2022-05-20 07:26:11	llua	install the gem
2022-05-20 07:37:42	Edu4rdSHL	mattf, looks like a problem that you created before probably installing the gem manually :)
2022-05-20 07:37:48	Edu4rdSHL	I can't reproduce it
2022-05-20 07:37:54	mattf	Edu4rdSHL: i gem uninstalled it
2022-05-20 07:38:15	Edu4rdSHL	Well, why do you did that
2022-05-20 07:39:08	Edu4rdSHL	`pacman -Rns ruby-rake` and delete /usr/lib/ruby/gems/3.0.0/gems/rake-13.0.6/
2022-05-20 07:39:14	Edu4rdSHL	Then try installing it again
2022-05-20 07:39:34	Edu4rdSHL	Also check your $HOME/.local/lib
2022-05-20 08:59:29	amnesiacsardine	Hello there! Quick question. Is alright to have a swap partition AND a swap file?
2022-05-20 09:00:11	amnesiacsardine	I created my swap partition a little too small and I'd like to avoid the whole backup and resize thing
2022-05-20 09:10:01	pagios	good morning, i would like to add users on a linux box and provide only access to certain commands ( like ftp, top, nload, etc) What is the best way to do this? should i install any restricted  shell or better to do it using sudoers ? 
2022-05-20 09:22:33	gaimmo	pagios: Look at sudo 
2022-05-20 09:23:29	pagios	sudo or chroot ? 
2022-05-20 09:39:22	lavaball	updated. now: libpf: failed to find valid kernel BTF / Error loading vmlinux BTF: -3 / failed to load object iterators_bpf: -3 /  failed to load bpf skeleton iterators_bpf: -3 /   Failed load could be due to wrong endiannes    pacman -Syu went find though. still have the terminal open and checked.
2022-05-20 09:41:30	lavaball	linux-hardened from the repo. nothing special.
2022-05-20 09:46:57	lavaball	says in the bug report it's just warnings, but that's all i got. doesn't go any further.
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2022-05-20 09:52:06	alwyn	When I start an openvpn connection with networkmanager, the default route uses the tunnel. If I do openvpn $config directly, it doesn't do that. What configuration effects this?
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2022-05-20 09:53:15	alwyn	As in: I do not want all traffic to go through the tunnel, just the traffic intended for routes pushed by the vpn server
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2022-05-20 09:55:36	pagios	when i am running from root chroot /home/user1 /usr/bin/sh   i get /usr/bin/sh no such dir, even though the file exist
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2022-05-20 10:01:21	alwyn	To answer my own question, it's ipv4.never-default
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2022-05-20 11:17:12	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1456 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1454 normals)
2022-05-20 11:02:09	wael	Hello, I've encoutered an odd bug after updating my system today
2022-05-20 11:02:36	wael	In the past I've set up a SOCKS proxy in GNOME settings to be used when tunneling over SSH
2022-05-20 11:03:37	wael	After updating my system today, for some reason no internet-reliant program manages to work unless I run that tunnel, even though in the program settings, in GNOME and KDE settings and even environment variables everything is configured not to use a proxy
2022-05-20 11:04:00	wael	I'm honestly out of pointers on how to begin to solve this issue
2022-05-20 11:05:21	SweepingBishops	Maybe check the logs of one of those programs?
2022-05-20 11:07:13	wael	I mean even gpg isn't working
2022-05-20 11:07:19	wael	I tried running it with -vvv
2022-05-20 11:07:21	wael	Nothing
2022-05-20 11:07:22	novns	wael, use dconf-editor, lookup the /system/proxy "folder"
2022-05-20 11:07:42	novns	were there any settings have been set
2022-05-20 11:08:23	wael	It says proxy configuration mode is 'none'
2022-05-20 11:08:38	wael	Which is consistent with what GNOME/KDE settings show
2022-05-20 11:08:49	novns	and in these socks5, http etc folders?
2022-05-20 11:10:55	novns	wael, also check your iptables and netfilter riles
2022-05-20 11:10:56	wael	Well they just have the settings
2022-05-20 11:11:00	novns	*rules
2022-05-20 11:12:03	novns	gpg should not use gnome's proxy settings, it's something else
2022-05-20 11:12:50	wael	Then what could it be?
2022-05-20 11:13:32	wael	Actually, yes, I'm trying to get a key, and even with the tunnel running I can't
2022-05-20 11:13:50	wael	Meanwhile, quassel doesn't work unless I run the tunnel
2022-05-20 11:13:57	novns	a transparent socks proxy redirector maybe
2022-05-20 11:14:14	novns	like that aur/redsocks
2022-05-20 11:14:30	novns	did you use any of these before?
2022-05-20 11:14:35	wael	I never installed something like that afaik
2022-05-20 11:15:08	novns	wael, create a new user, and check if everything works with fresh settings
2022-05-20 11:15:19	omen	i do refular sacrafices to linux gods to keep my network and other stuff working
2022-05-20 11:15:25	wael	OK, good idea
2022-05-20 11:15:32	wael	omen: lol, I forgot to do that
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2022-05-20 11:18:50	novns	wael, you can boot from a live usb too, to check if it works for a fresh system
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2022-05-20 11:20:19	wael	Even on a different user, same problem
2022-05-20 11:20:32	wael	Weird thing is, doesn't matter if on wifi or ethernet
2022-05-20 11:20:35	novns	a live usb then 
2022-05-20 11:20:51	wael	I can ping internal IPs and resolve domains using my local DNS server
2022-05-20 11:20:57	novns	did you check what's in iptables or netfilter?
2022-05-20 11:21:03	wael	novns: yes
2022-05-20 11:21:38	wael	novns: As for live USB, not much point, it is a problem on this machine only - I tested with two other machines running arch here without an issue
2022-05-20 11:22:10	novns	something system-wide, not related to gnome
2022-05-20 11:22:24	novns	are you using network-manager or something else?
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2022-05-20 11:22:32	wael	Network manager
2022-05-20 11:22:44	wael	Already checked all the configs there, nothing out of the ordinary
2022-05-20 11:23:00	wael	Maybe I'll switch DNS?
2022-05-20 11:23:21	wael	Actually no point, nslookup works fine
2022-05-20 11:23:34	novns	what does traceroute say?
2022-05-20 11:23:42	wael	E.g.: even pinging Google's direct IP doesn't work
2022-05-20 11:23:47	novns	to anything like 8.8.8.8
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2022-05-20 11:24:59	wael	traceroute works... but ping doesn't
2022-05-20 11:25:05	⚡ 	wael is now confused
2022-05-20 11:25:09	novns	it's weird
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2022-05-20 11:25:51	wael	Actually ping is useless thing here, seems that ICMP is getting filtered (tried from another machine that has no problems)
2022-05-20 11:26:08	novns	traceroute uses ICMP too
2022-05-20 11:26:29	wael	Then what on Earth is going on, this is really confusin
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2022-05-20 11:27:05	novns	wael, you can solve this by reinstalling the system from scratch, saving your files before
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2022-05-20 11:27:35	novns	but it's interesting where's the mess
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2022-05-20 11:28:03	wael	novns: I'd rather avoid a reinstall at any cost - so much to configure
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2022-05-20 11:29:16	novns	wael, if you use etckeeper, you can see what did you change in /etc when the problem arrived
2022-05-20 11:31:05	novns	wael, can you show the output of iptables-save and `nft list ruleset`
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2022-05-20 16:59:39	Hello71	my vague guess is that software mixing is disabled for some reason and the hardware is broken and doesn't handle rate changes
2022-05-20 17:00:59	jokerface	Please join to my new channel #stockmarkets
2022-05-20 17:01:08	CarloWood	s/face//
2022-05-20 18:01:38	mingdao	demonicmaniac1: Where did you build/get thinkfan from?
2022-05-20 18:03:00	mingdao	https://github.com/vmatare/thinkfan seems fine to me
2022-05-20 18:07:34	mingdao	The AUR pkgbuild isn't bad, either.
2022-05-20 18:21:12	killown	isn't there any linux-tkg in aur?
2022-05-20 18:22:17	mingdao	No packages matched your search criteria.
2022-05-20 18:24:05	mingdao	https://github.com/Frogging-Family/linux-tkg (Arch & derivatives)
2022-05-20 18:35:14	killown	can we put this on aur?
2022-05-20 18:42:13	killown	was this pkg build made by Tobias Powalowski  and Thomas Baechler  ?
2022-05-20 18:43:13	Edu4rdSHL	killown, use the Chaotic AUR repo.
2022-05-20 18:43:36	killown	didn't know that until know
2022-05-20 18:43:41	killown	how this chaotic aur works
2022-05-20 18:43:50	Edu4rdSHL	Chaotic, but it works
2022-05-20 18:46:38	killown	Edu4rdSHL, will this repos try to update core stuff?
2022-05-20 18:46:47	Edu4rdSHL	killown, no
2022-05-20 18:47:29	killown	I love this idea
2022-05-20 18:47:32	killown	no compiling anymore
2022-05-20 18:48:48	weltio	MacGyver: imagine youd have to make it possible
2022-05-20 18:48:49	killown	I am using linux since 2007 and I am just knowing this now
2022-05-20 18:49:03	killown	archlinux*
2022-05-20 18:49:49	MacGyver	weltio: Imagine I'd have to make what possible?
2022-05-20 18:50:00	weltio	MacGyver: akonadi + client certs
2022-05-20 18:50:05	MacGyver	Ah.
2022-05-20 18:50:15	MacGyver	weltio: I couldn't.
2022-05-20 18:50:33	MacGyver	I know how to fix it if the *server* doesn't support checking client certs, just throw it behind nginx.
2022-05-20 18:50:44	MacGyver	But I'm not aware of a similar option for client software.
2022-05-20 18:51:04	weltio	MacGyver: well a proxy obviously would work
2022-05-20 18:51:07	MacGyver	Maybe you could use a proxy server installed on the client device?
2022-05-20 18:51:22	MacGyver	But that feels fragile.
2022-05-20 18:51:37	weltio	yeah i just thought there would be a piece of software that already tunnels stuff
2022-05-20 18:51:49	weltio	havent looked into it - would stunnel be possible>
2022-05-20 18:54:37	MacGyver	Probably, yeah.
2022-05-20 19:07:05	lavaball	linux hardnened doesn't boot for me. gives me this: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/69155 and ends there. multiple reboots. kernel reinstall. nottin.     standard kernel worked.  hardware: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1246 v3 @ 3.50GHz  MSI MS-7823/B85M-G43 (MS-7823), BIOS V3.14B3 06/23/2014     in case anyone cares.
2022-05-20 19:07:07	phrik	Title: FS#69155 : [linux-hardened] 5.10.4.a-1 libbpf: Failed to find valid kernel BTF (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-05-20 19:09:26	Edu4rdSHL	lavaball, well, the bug is already reported, it will be fixed soon, probably.
2022-05-20 19:10:11	lavaball	that was 5.10.4 we have 5.17.9 (1-1). also the kernel works on all other boxes it seems.
2022-05-20 19:10:25	lavaball	on mine at least. except for one where i don't dare to update now.
2022-05-20 19:10:28	lavaball	scary shit.
2022-05-20 19:10:59	HappyAporetic	maybe a dumb question, but is there a go-to way to disable (or effectively disable) primary selection on X11?
2022-05-20 19:15:31	HappyAporetic	I've googled it and found various solutions but I'm wondering if there's something that's categorically the "best" way
2022-05-20 19:16:53	HappyAporetic	(asking cause the solutions I found all look kinda hacky)
2022-05-20 19:59:45	weltio	uff, how can i downgrade openssl from -git :D
2022-05-20 20:00:02	weltio	error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.1.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ^^
2022-05-20 20:00:17	Namarrgon	"downgrade"?
2022-05-20 20:00:51	Namarrgon	boot the iso, fix the problem, profit
2022-05-20 20:02:56	Edu4rdSHL	weltio, why do you need to downgrade openssl for that?
2022-05-20 20:03:11	Edu4rdSHL	?wtf libssl.so.1.1
2022-05-20 20:03:13	@EMIYA	Edu4rdSHL: core/openssl 1.1.1.o-1 (/usr/lib/libssl.so.1.1), community/cuda-tools, multilib/lib32-openssl
2022-05-20 20:03:36	Scimmia	sounds like they installed openssl-git
2022-05-20 20:03:59	weltio	Edu4rdSHL: still: i'd need root permissions
2022-05-20 20:04:31	weltio	ah, i have them
2022-05-20 20:04:40	weltio	thought su wouldnt work either
2022-05-20 20:04:41	weltio	thx
2022-05-20 20:04:45	weltio	im retarded
2022-05-20 20:04:50	Edu4rdSHL	!next
2022-05-20 20:04:50	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-05-20 20:06:13	weltio	pacman: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.1.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2022-05-20 20:06:32	Edu4rdSHL	Use pacman-static meanwhile
2022-05-20 20:07:03	weltio	?wtf pacman-static
2022-05-20 20:07:05	@EMIYA	weltio: no results for 'pacman-static'
2022-05-20 20:07:10	Edu4rdSHL	!pacman-static
2022-05-20 20:07:11	phrik	Edu4rdSHL: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
2022-05-20 20:07:15	weltio	^^
2022-05-20 20:07:27	Edu4rdSHL	https://pkgbuild.com/~morganamilo/pacman-static/x86_64/bin/
2022-05-20 20:07:28	phrik	Title: Index of /~morganamilo/pacman-static/x86_64/bin/ (at pkgbuild.com)
2022-05-20 20:08:11	Scimmia	of course, accessing that may need openssl...
2022-05-20 20:08:42	Edu4rdSHL	For sure, just download it on your phone or whatever and copy it to the system
2022-05-20 20:09:09	MacGyver	weltio: *what* are you doing?
2022-05-20 20:09:28	MacGyver	weltio: stunnel is in the repos, surely you don't need an out-of-repo openssl?
2022-05-20 20:09:34	colo	http://coloss.us.to/pacman-static/ - enjoy
2022-05-20 20:09:38	phrik	Title: Index of /pacman-static (at coloss.us.to)
2022-05-20 20:10:51	weltio	MacGyver: yes, i know - i needed openssl s_client to use p12 which is only available in v3 - which is not the repo version
2022-05-20 20:14:08	MacGyver	You should be able to just convert to a format that current s_client accepts.
2022-05-20 20:21:09	weltio	MacGyver: well newer is always better
2022-05-20 20:21:26	MacGyver	Not if you're manually building openssl on arch it's not.
2022-05-20 20:21:36	weltio	:D
2022-05-20 20:21:39	MacGyver	Like those 2 weeks aren't going to matter :P
2022-05-20 20:22:37	weltio	i feel that the install process should have told me that i"d break my system since systemd etc. need sepcificall 1.1
2022-05-20 20:22:43	weltio	y
2022-05-20 20:26:05	Edu4rdSHL	I feel that users should get more informed of what they are doing and not blindy doing things
2022-05-20 20:26:15	Edu4rdSHL	Also, use containers
2022-05-20 20:26:58	weltio	Edu4rdSHL: you mean the maintainer who should know that his pacakage actually needs openssl 1.1 and not openssl *? yeah, i feel you
2022-05-20 20:28:30	Edu4rdSHL	The are two openssl packages in the repo, openssl and openssl-1.0, systemd requires openssl which is in the 1.1 version, if the user install another thing and break his system it's their reponsability
2022-05-20 20:30:50	weltio	im sure you understand my point =)
2022-05-20 20:30:58	susi	but where's openssl 2
2022-05-20 20:34:35	HappyAporetic	when is wayland gonna replace x :(
2022-05-20 20:35:00	susi	probably in the next 10-15 years
2022-05-20 20:35:02	BrainDamage	when it's ready
2022-05-20 20:35:16	HappyAporetic	<3
2022-05-20 20:35:19	HappyAporetic	can't wait
2022-05-20 20:35:50	weltio	HappyAporetic: whats the reason for the question?
2022-05-20 20:35:53	artefact	2022, the year of the wayland desktop?
2022-05-20 20:36:19	HappyAporetic	weltio: frustration mostly lol
2022-05-20 20:36:36	HappyAporetic	also it's not a very serious question. excuse my frivolity! it's friday
2022-05-20 20:37:26	HappyAporetic	I like quite a few things in wayland and X11 is just painful
2022-05-20 20:38:40	BrainDamage	I'm sure a lot of people feel the reverse for wayland
2022-05-20 20:39:20	HappyAporetic	:d yeah I get that
2022-05-20 20:40:00	BrainDamage	the whitelist method of development means that features only trickle in when approved
2022-05-20 20:40:34	BrainDamage	and the wayland committee has been quite ostracizing for what's standard features ... everywhere, like global decorators
2022-05-20 20:40:52	HappyAporetic	mm
2022-05-20 20:43:07	ramblebamble	;;
2022-05-20 20:50:28	dostoyevsky2	Is there a way to detect in a script if I am running on a live cd?
2022-05-20 20:51:30	Hello71	!xy
2022-05-20 20:51:32	phrik	What exactly are you trying to do? http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=542341
2022-05-20 20:51:47	Edu4rdSHL	dostoyevsky2, have you already searched in Google? :D
2022-05-20 20:52:25	dostoyevsky2	Edu4rdSHL: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=have+you+already+searched+in+Google
2022-05-20 20:52:26	phrik	Title: have you already searched in Google at DuckDuckGo (at duckduckgo.com)
2022-05-20 20:53:09	Edu4rdSHL	dostoyevsky2, well, in Google are plenty of answers for what you have come here to ask which is not even related to ArchLinux, don't be a help vampire :D
2022-05-20 20:58:57	dostoyevsky2	So I found https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/471434/how-to-tell-if-a-system-is-running-as-a-live-usb-from-bash ... but I don't like those answers...  is the device sr0 and automatic indication for it being mounted as /?  / being an `airootfs' seems like a much stronger indication that I am on a live CD
2022-05-20 20:58:58	phrik	Title: shell script - How to tell if a system is running as a live USB from BASH - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2022-05-20 21:01:09	dostoyevsky2	Also: Presence of `arch-chroot' 
2022-05-20 21:02:03	susi	dostoyevsky2: what are you trying to do, why do you need to know whether it's 'live' or not?
2022-05-20 21:02:23	dostoyevsky2	susi: I am installing arch linux... in a script
2022-05-20 21:02:43	dostoyevsky2	So I guess for that it'd be convenient if you booted from the live cd
2022-05-20 21:03:21	thrice	why are oyu using a script?
2022-05-20 21:03:35	dostoyevsky2	It's called programming
2022-05-20 21:04:05	thrice	wut
2022-05-20 21:04:36	dostoyevsky2	thrice: are you asking why people automate Linux installations???
2022-05-20 21:04:49	thrice	I'm asking why you are doing it, yes
2022-05-20 21:04:59	thrice	it usually is a bad idea, and ends bad
2022-05-20 21:05:00	dostoyevsky2	thrice: To save time
2022-05-20 21:05:16	dostoyevsky2	thrice: Tell AWS to just install everything form hand
2022-05-20 21:07:47	Namarrgon	is this purely about the arch iso?
2022-05-20 21:09:23	lendun	hey, I have a problem related to hardware video acceleration
2022-05-20 21:09:53	lendun	I recently switched from the integrated AMD GPU to a discrete RTX 3060 ti
2022-05-20 21:09:58	dostoyevsky2	Namarrgon: I've never installed arch linux in any other way than via the live iso...
2022-05-20 21:10:52	lendun	VDPAU seems to work fine but running vainfo gives me the vainitialize failed error the wiki page mentions
2022-05-20 21:11:27	lendun	I'm not sure where to set the required env variables, I've tried both bashrc and /etc/profile but they don't seem to have any effect
2022-05-20 21:11:44	lendun	I'm using the proprietary nvidia driver
2022-05-20 21:13:46	Namarrgon	vainfo is for vaapi, i'm not certain its output matters in regards to vdpau
2022-05-20 21:13:48	CubeTheThird	are you saying you installed something for VDPAU support? Nvidia has it included with nvidia-utils
2022-05-20 21:14:04	lendun	I don't think I installed anything for VDPAU
2022-05-20 21:14:12	lendun	all I know is VDPAU works and vaapi doesn't
2022-05-20 21:14:27	lendun	at least I think VDPAU works
2022-05-20 21:16:06	lendun	i'm getting extremely bad performance in one specific application and I think vaapi not working might be related to that
2022-05-20 21:16:16	lendun	I also just want to fix it regardless
2022-05-20 21:17:30	Namarrgon	which application?
2022-05-20 21:18:01	lendun	Namarrgon: team fortress 2
2022-05-20 21:18:26	Namarrgon	vaapi/vdpau are for hw-accelerated video en-/decoding, not for 3d-graphics
2022-05-20 21:18:35	lendun	huh, okay
2022-05-20 21:18:53	lendun	the symptoms I'm experiencing are single digit FPS and blurry graphics
2022-05-20 21:19:06	Namarrgon	is this a laptop with prime?
2022-05-20 21:19:15	lendun	already installed nvidia-settings, FXAA is off so that's prob not the cause for the blurry screen
2022-05-20 21:19:21	Namarrgon	or optimus, or whatever the actial marketing name is
2022-05-20 21:19:23	lendun	Namarrgon: no, it's a desktop
2022-05-20 21:19:48	lendun	built it myself
2022-05-20 21:19:54	Namarrgon	is the nvidia driver loaded?
2022-05-20 21:20:04	CubeTheThird	you plugged your monitor into your Nvidia GPU right?
2022-05-20 21:20:57	lendun	Namarrgon: I'm getting good performance in other apps and I saw some nvidia-related string when I ran vdpauinfo so yes
2022-05-20 21:21:03	lendun	CubeTheThird: yes
2022-05-20 21:21:31	Namarrgon	but is the nvidia driver loaded?
2022-05-20 21:22:36	lendun	lsmod shows the nvidia driver as loaded
2022-05-20 21:22:37	lendun	so yes
2022-05-20 21:22:59	Namarrgon	tf2 is a 64bit binary?
2022-05-20 21:23:12	MacGyver	Probably not.
2022-05-20 21:23:29	lendun	it's 32-bit on windows but I'm not sure about linux
2022-05-20 21:23:32	lendun	i'll double check
2022-05-20 21:23:32	Namarrgon	do you have the lib32 nvidia bits installed?
2022-05-20 21:23:51	lendun	Namarrgon: probably not
2022-05-20 21:23:54	lendun	i'll go for a few minutes
2022-05-20 21:31:02	lendun	I did not have lib32-nvidia-utils installed
2022-05-20 21:31:16	lendun	will reboot and see if that fixes the problem
2022-05-20 21:34:13	MacGyver	Shouldn't need to reboot.
2022-05-20 21:35:25	lendun	installing lib32-nvidia-utils did indeed fix the issue
2022-05-20 21:35:29	lendun	thanks, I'm an idiot
2022-05-20 21:36:03	dostoyevsky2	lendun: Best book I've ever written IMHO
2022-05-20 21:36:48	Patrick14159	the book of imperfection?
2022-05-20 21:38:17	dostoyevsky2	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Idiot
2022-05-20 21:38:17	phrik	Title: The Idiot - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2022-05-20 21:38:46	susi	dostoyevsky2: https://youtu.be/8utpbbdj0LQ
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2022-05-20 21:47:07	dostoyevsky2	susi: Well, I have reached this stage now: `Detected arch on live iso!'
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2022-05-20 21:49:33	Patrick14159	how did they create 2 "windows" in a console?
2022-05-20 21:49:33	artefact	screen/tmux?
2022-05-20 21:49:33	artefact	you can even use emacs as a terminal multiplexer
2022-05-20 21:49:33	Patrick14159	of course, yes
2022-05-20 21:49:36	Patrick14159	i remember now that i never checked if tmux is on the liveiso
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2022-05-20 21:49:55	artefact	ah, you can see it even, it's tmux
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2022-05-20 23:00:40	ds-ac	I think that you can use nftables for that purpose. If I undedrstood well, you want to filter NAT packages ? If so, nftables can help you
2022-05-20 23:01:18	ds-ac	For the DNS part, you can for example use a set of authorized addresses and renew it regulary with a cron 
2022-05-20 23:01:39	ds-ac	There might be better solutions out there
2022-05-20 23:03:36	ds-ac	I am interested if you find a better alternative
2022-05-20 23:20:46	Lovepump	I think the best solution would be bind for DNS (with an ACL to allow queries only from addresses within the NATted range, no forwarders and no recursion) and a firewall to keep traffic inside the NAT. Something like dnsmasq might work depending on what you mean by NAT+DNS. Not sure if dnsmasq is intended to "contain" DNS queries or if it wants to forward them along
2022-05-20 23:21:34	Lovepump	you won't be able to rely on DNS alone to conatin traffic, as nothing will prevent someone for using a direct IP address outside of DNS authority
2022-05-20 23:24:20	ds-ac	My understanding of the question was that the whole network (DNS + server with associated IPs) was NATted but I might be wrong. (That's why I suggested the use of nftabes. Bind's ACL would only protect the DNS server)
2022-05-20 23:24:37	Lovepump	yes which is why +firewall
2022-05-20 23:25:17	ds-ac	yes :)
2022-05-20 23:25:19	Lovepump	I'm unfamiliar with nftables - sounds neat
2022-05-20 23:25:57	ds-ac	It's a quite powerful tool
2022-05-20 23:28:13	mannoobie	Hey
2022-05-20 23:28:31	mannoobie	Is there any tools that would be the linux equivalent of Win + Shift + S (screenshot) 
2022-05-20 23:28:58	Lovepump	printscreen works fairly well (gnome)
2022-05-20 23:29:54	mannoobie	Im on xfce
2022-05-20 23:29:55	susi	scrot, maim
2022-05-20 23:29:59	susi	xfce4-screenshotter
2022-05-20 23:30:30	mannoobie	I wonder how I can setup a macro 
2022-05-20 23:30:32	susi	xfce4-screenshooter*
2022-05-20 23:30:40	mannoobie	so it works like the windows one 
2022-05-20 23:31:00	susi	bind that sequence to scrot or maim, I don't know how screenshooter works
2022-05-20 23:31:41	susi	I have key Print bound to scrot ~/pics/shots/%Y-%m-%d-PRT-%H%M%S.png
2022-05-20 23:32:50	susi	bind xfce4-screenshooter --fullscreen --save path/to/dir
2022-05-20 23:33:43	mannoobie	I'm new to linux how do you bind? And how would you specify it so it lets me do region capture? I want it to work pretty much the same as the windows one 
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2022-05-20 23:56:55	mannoobie	I got it to work
2022-05-20 23:57:20	mannoobie	It's Settings -> Keyboard -> Application Shortcuts
2022-05-21 00:17:40	J_Darnley	Is there a run-time option to increase file descriptor limits?
2022-05-21 00:18:12	J_Darnley	I want to test something with a raised limit but limits.conf is only 8192 so I'd have to reboot.
2022-05-21 00:20:07	Namarrgon	you have to re-login the user, at worst
2022-05-21 00:21:54	J_Darnley	oh yes
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2022-05-21 00:46:24	J_Darnley	Dang.  Something in the GUI doesn't like that.
2022-05-21 00:47:28	J_Darnley	X or plasma or something
2022-05-21 00:59:38	Lovepump	@J_Darnley - would ulimit work? It looks like it is "per process" with -n
2022-05-21 01:03:19	J_Darnley	Lovepump: Yes but only up to the limit defined in limits.conf
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2022-05-21 01:33:23	mattf	virt-manager says: Failed to connect socket to '/var/run/libvirt/virtqemud-sock': No such file or directory
2022-05-21 01:33:30	mattf	didn't something about quemu changed recently
2022-05-21 01:34:13	MacGyver	Yes.
2022-05-21 01:34:18	MacGyver	!next
2022-05-21 01:34:19	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-05-21 01:34:37	MacGyver	( https://archlinux.org/news/qemu-700-changes-split-package-setup/ )
2022-05-21 01:34:38	mattf	well that sucks 
2022-05-21 01:34:38	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: QEMU >= 7.0.0 changes split package setup (at archlinux.org)
2022-05-21 01:34:48	mattf	any idea how to solve that
2022-05-21 01:35:31	mattf	maybe i need qemu-full
2022-05-21 01:35:34	mattf	i have qemu-desktop
2022-05-21 01:35:34	MacGyver	But whether the absence of this socket is caused by that...
2022-05-21 01:35:40	MacGyver	I don't have that socket.
2022-05-21 01:35:42	drocan	can't hurt to grab qemu-full
2022-05-21 01:35:46	MacGyver	And I'm on an oldish version.
2022-05-21 01:35:59	MacGyver	(As in, haven't -Syud for about a month)
2022-05-21 01:36:11	MacGyver	Is that socket only created when spinning up the VM?
2022-05-21 01:36:54	mattf	no that always running
2022-05-21 01:37:22	mattf	i cant do anything on virt-manager gui without that, it needs that to know what vm's even exist
2022-05-21 01:37:29	mattf	is not really about qemu i suppose
2022-05-21 01:37:30	MacGyver	Well I don't have that socket.
2022-05-21 01:37:38	MacGyver	And have been using libvirt for years.
2022-05-21 01:37:52	MacGyver	So maybe *it* is new?
2022-05-21 01:38:28	MacGyver	I've got a few other sockets but not virtqemud-sock.
2022-05-21 01:38:54	mattf	maybe virt-manager is crazy
2022-05-21 01:43:12	Namarrgon	J_Darnley: nobody ever tests multiple wm/de instances, i would expect most to misbehave
2022-05-21 01:45:15	J_Darnley	Yeah I understand
2022-05-21 01:45:22	J_Darnley	Thanks for the tip about not needing to restart though.
2022-05-21 01:47:14	mattf	well seems virtmanager died
2022-05-21 01:47:21	thrice	rip
2022-05-21 01:47:57	NetSysFire	system administration means you have with the occasional fatality
2022-05-21 01:48:50	mattf	and virsh is not listing my vms
2022-05-21 02:00:33	mattf	oh man what a pain, i figure out but now it cant start the vms because there are devices missing
2022-05-21 02:00:53	mattf	error starting domain: internal error: qemu unexpectedly closed the monitor: 2022-05-21T00:00:38.983055Z qemu-system-x86_64: -device usb-tablet: No 'usb-bus' bus found for device 'usb-tablet'
2022-05-21 02:01:55	Edu4rdSHL	virt manager is working just fine
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2022-05-21 03:02:42	mattf	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Intel_GVT-g this is all wrong for qemu 7 now
2022-05-21 03:02:44	phrik	Title: Intel GVT-g - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-21 03:02:56	mattf	https://gitlab.com/qemu-project/qemu/-/issues/1015
2022-05-21 03:02:57	phrik	Title: qemu-7.0 there is no device "hostdev0" defined (#1015) · Issues · QEMU / QEMU · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2022-05-21 03:03:07	mattf	well "all" is too much maybe
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2022-05-21 03:50:59	txtsd	I package I was maintaining (zaread-git) was suddenly orphaned and adopted by someone else. See #archlinux-aur
2022-05-21 03:51:04	txtsd	*A package
2022-05-21 04:09:59	Dreamer3	so anyone use Awesome WM?  Is there a place people actually hang out and discuss it... the #awesome channel on OFTC no one ever speaks... EVER...
2022-05-21 04:13:34	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-05-21 04:30:47	Dreamer3	lol
2022-05-21 04:32:48	Namarrgon	what's an irc?
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2022-05-21 05:08:53	daffy1234	I keep having really weird intermittent audio distortion, its like sometimes audio doubles up and sounds robotic. Its like if you took the audio spectrum and interlaced it, playing one field about half a second after the other.
2022-05-21 05:10:57	daffy1234	example of the audio problems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtMQU_ft-Z8
2022-05-21 05:11:27	daffy1234	had to take a video like that because the distortion does not show up using screen recording software like OBS
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2022-05-21 09:07:36	◣	mizu (~mizu@user/mizu) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
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2022-05-21 11:15:02	GuiToris	what the eff?! isn't archlinux in the top 100 most popular linux distributions? (distrowatch)
2022-05-21 11:15:23	AlexC	whocares
2022-05-21 11:15:49	AlexC	btw, 29th
2022-05-21 11:16:14	GuiToris	huhh, okay, I was searching for "Archlinux"
2022-05-21 11:16:53	GuiToris	That would have sucked if it wasn't on the list
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2022-05-21 12:03:19	evilop	distrowatch ranking is pretty much useless, a distro that literally had 5 users was on the top for a while
2022-05-21 12:03:42	evilop	apparently a few thousand "votes" from the same ip all counted :p
2022-05-21 12:04:12	artefact	^
2022-05-21 12:23:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-05-21 14:29:47	Namarrgon	do you want the upstream changelogs or the downstream changelogs? the latter ones are mostly just "bumped $pkgver", which isn't terribly interesting
2022-05-21 14:31:37	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-05-21 14:31:42	JTL	if we're thinknig of the same newsfeed, Gentoo has "news" as part of repository metadata and that usually just covers breaking changse and other caveats of updates
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2022-05-21 14:48:14	Scimmia	bparker: seriously, do some reading about what a backdoor is
2022-05-21 14:48:17	OneDev	yeap cnat find package however that mean its not available in index. 
2022-05-21 14:48:30	bparker	Scimmia: likewise
2022-05-21 14:48:46	OneDev	So should I just download it and put in place and then just continue compile without doing removing of directory.
2022-05-21 14:48:48	jelle	OneDev: what are you missing in flatpak which is why you need snapd?
2022-05-21 14:48:52	OneDev	folder.
2022-05-21 14:48:58	Scimmia	Oh no, it's connecting to the ubuntu store! Yeah, that's not a backdoor. The person that made that statement is an idiot
2022-05-21 14:49:16	bparker	Scimmia: you didn't actually read the link then if that's what you got out of it.
2022-05-21 14:49:32	mingdao	This argument is world changing!
2022-05-21 14:49:36	⚡ 	mingdao goes for snacks
2022-05-21 14:49:51	Scimmia	I did read it, it's got no real info other than: as a backdoor by connecting your computer to the Ubuntu Store.
2022-05-21 14:50:26	bparker	sigh
2022-05-21 14:50:27	Scimmia	does it give remote access to your computer? No? Well guess what
2022-05-21 14:50:33	bparker	sure it can
2022-05-21 14:50:40	bparker	it can install anything remotely without your consent
2022-05-21 14:50:54	bparker	and you can't turn off updates, it could push anything it works
2022-05-21 14:50:55	bparker	it wants*
2022-05-21 14:50:59	mingdao	I wanna be your backdoor man...
2022-05-21 14:50:59	bparker	the server is even proprietary
2022-05-21 14:51:14	jelle	bparker: this is offtopic
2022-05-21 14:51:15	Scimmia	So pacman pulls in a depencency, it's a backdoor!
2022-05-21 14:51:22	Scimmia	give me a break
2022-05-21 14:51:27	jelle	(also leading nowhere)
2022-05-21 14:51:29	OneDev	quite a few ap-ps are only available as snaps that I cant find flatpaks for. 
2022-05-21 14:51:31	bparker	pacman is not forced automatic updates
2022-05-21 14:51:39	jelle	OneDev: which one...
2022-05-21 14:51:46	Scimmia	bparker: which is not the claim here
2022-05-21 14:51:54	bparker	it most certainly is
2022-05-21 14:52:00	bparker	snaps have forced automatic updates
2022-05-21 14:52:02	bparker	you can't turn it off
2022-05-21 14:52:05	bparker	and the server is closed
2022-05-21 14:52:08	bparker	so they can push anything
2022-05-21 14:52:11	Scimmia	again, they are not making that clain
2022-05-21 14:52:11	bparker	and you can't do shit about it
2022-05-21 14:52:13	Scimmia	claim
2022-05-21 14:52:15	bparker	they did
2022-05-21 14:52:18	bparker	it's in the freaking article
2022-05-21 14:52:18	Scimmia	where?
2022-05-21 14:52:32	jelle	good, now please shut up about it
2022-05-21 14:52:33	OneDev	If they are fully open source then yeah its ok I can then transfer them to flatpak 
2022-05-21 14:52:37	OneDev	some like lunatask.app
2022-05-21 14:52:40	jelle	OneDev: you too
2022-05-21 14:52:43	OneDev	cannot be converted. 
2022-05-21 14:53:25	jelle	OneDev: is it a proprietary thing?
2022-05-21 14:53:48	OneDev	https://lunatask.app/about/
2022-05-21 14:54:30	jelle	OneDev: that doesn't answer the question :)
2022-05-21 14:55:39	OneDev	well it is kinda. its freemium. 
2022-05-21 14:55:48	OneDev	its closed sourc.e
2022-05-21 14:55:55	jelle	OneDev: so no binary to download, only a snap image?
2022-05-21 15:01:13	mingdao	https://snapcraft.io/lunatask
2022-05-21 15:01:14	phrik	Title: Install Lunatask: Tasks, Habits & Notes on Linux | Snap Store (at snapcraft.io)
2022-05-21 15:01:42	jelle	mingdao: OneDev just explainded he can't get snapd compiled (without sharing logs) so this is not a solution ;-)
2022-05-21 15:01:53	mingdao	https://snapcraft.io/install/lunatask/arch
2022-05-21 15:01:54	phrik	Title: Install Lunatask: Tasks, Habits & Notes on Arch Linux using the Snap Store | Snapcraft (at snapcraft.io)
2022-05-21 15:02:09	jelle	OneDev: mail them and ask them to upload to flatpak \o/
2022-05-21 15:03:19	mingdao	OneDev: Have you tried to build it from https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/snapd ?
2022-05-21 15:04:13	OneDev	yes
2022-05-21 15:04:24	omen	are you using flatpacks/snaps? I somehow have always steered away from those
2022-05-21 15:04:34	omen	feels too corporate :P
2022-05-21 15:04:54	thrice	you know you're a nerd, when a packaging format "feels corporate"
2022-05-21 15:04:58	jelle	omen: pls stop
2022-05-21 15:05:01	mingdao	Oh, well; here we get close in the hand holding department and OneDev quits.
2022-05-21 15:05:23	artefact	i've only ever used appimages for nightly versions of software. loved them
2022-05-21 15:09:04	ken123	yeah appimage is kinda nice "it just runs the app" like portableapps 
2022-05-21 15:10:12	omen	the ides itself is very good
2022-05-21 15:10:17	omen	idea
2022-05-21 15:14:44	cc0a3hr	is N word allowed on #archlinux ?
2022-05-21 15:14:59	jelle	if you need to ask, it's obviously not
2022-05-21 15:15:25	nckx	wat
2022-05-21 15:15:33	thrice	nixos?  no
2022-05-21 15:17:47	artefact	we live in a seccomp-bpf chroot
2022-05-21 15:21:16	Patrick14159	i want grsecurity in my chroot :(
2022-05-21 15:22:09	jelle	lolwat
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2022-05-21 16:14:29	mpldr	Does anyone know what package is providing the ASF (video/x-ms-asf) decoder for gstreamer? already have -ugly and -bad but they don't seem to provide it to wine
2022-05-21 16:15:32	Hello71	surely gst-libav can
2022-05-21 16:15:44	Hello71	and at a guess, probably only gst-libav
2022-05-21 16:16:14	mpldr	that one's installed as well
2022-05-21 16:16:26	Tom^	mpldr: the -ugly ones does, but if your wineprefix is a 32bit one you need the lib32- of it
2022-05-21 16:16:55	mpldr	thanks, I'll try
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2022-05-21 17:03:30	Khorne	which package?
2022-05-21 17:03:35	Hello71	it's a secret
2022-05-21 17:04:01	another|	https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/libguestfs/
2022-05-21 17:04:05	Vorpal	I noticed that serveral KDE packages (spectacle which handles screenshots, plasma-workspace which is the main window managment etc) depend on qt5-tools. This seems weird as qt5-tools are the dev tools. I'm wondering if this may be a bug
2022-05-21 17:04:35	Hello71	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/commits/packages/libguestfs
2022-05-21 17:04:37	Scimmia	another|: it's the last time the package was touched. Things move between repos, so when it was built isn't the same
2022-05-21 17:04:48	Hello71	updated may 9, seems right to me
2022-05-21 17:04:55	Vorpal	I would have assumed that the other packages should depend on qt5-base, qt5-svg etc
2022-05-21 17:05:17	Vorpal	I'm not sure enough about this to file a bug yet though.
2022-05-21 17:06:05	Vorpal	anyone know anything about this?
2022-05-21 17:06:09	Scimmia	Vorpal: arojas is on top of that. If it says it requires it, it very likely does
2022-05-21 17:06:55	Vorpal	hm okay. It just seems weird. Also freecad (CAD software). I don't understand why it would need qt5-tools. As a makedep sure, but runtime?
2022-05-21 17:08:14	Scimmia	because you don't know what all is included in the package, I would guess
2022-05-21 17:08:19	mpan	Vorpal: qt5help perhaps?
2022-05-21 17:08:22	another|	Hello71: Ah. the package page only links to trunk
2022-05-21 17:08:29	Hello71	yes
2022-05-21 17:08:34	Vorpal	ah, could be. Does that provide documentation?
2022-05-21 17:08:43	Vorpal	as in, help viewer
2022-05-21 17:08:45	mpan	Vorpal: qt5-tools CONTAINS dev tools, not IS dev tools.
2022-05-21 17:09:14	mpan	But whether it’s qt5help or not is only my guess. You would need to ask the maintainer to know for sure. 
2022-05-21 17:09:18	Vorpal	Right makes sense. Seems silly to need to install qt designer etc on a normal desktop
2022-05-21 17:09:37	Vorpal	I guess unless upstreams splits up the package that is just going to be how it is though
2022-05-21 17:10:47	Namarrgon	qt5-tools still provides qdbus, which some kde tools depend on
2022-05-21 17:12:05	Vorpal	ah, makes sense. Seems a bit of a silly package split, but oh well.
2022-05-21 17:12:42	Rayyan	is there any downside using nvidia-open as opposed to the proprietary nvidia package?
2022-05-21 17:12:52	Namarrgon	limited hw support?
2022-05-21 17:12:55	Vorpal	Rayyan: well, I can't. My card is 10 series
2022-05-21 17:13:07	Vorpal	I believe it is 20 series or newer only, right?
2022-05-21 17:13:22	Rayyan	16-series and newer
2022-05-21 17:13:32	Vorpal	oh right. Forgot those were a thing
2022-05-21 17:13:32	Rayyan	apart from the hw support
2022-05-21 17:14:03	Vorpal	It is not as well tested (yet). Also phoronix did a benchmark recently and it was slightly slower than the binary drivers. Not much though.
2022-05-21 17:17:21	hndrkkz	hi
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2022-05-21 18:42:07	leont	Something blew up when I was upgrading my machine, and now I'm lacking a bunch of essential packages. An installed kernel and pacman being the obvious ones.
2022-05-21 18:42:28	leont	Anyone have a clue how to save myself from this situation? Other than reinstall from scratch
2022-05-21 18:42:41	Edu4rdSHL	pacman-static will probably help
2022-05-21 18:43:03	Namarrgon	was pacman part of the update?
2022-05-21 18:43:51	mpan	“Blew up” as in the computer went down or is that figuratively for “it’s broken after the update”? Relevant for determining how to address it.
2022-05-21 18:44:05	Edu4rdSHL	Also, I wonder why "a bunch" of essential packages are lacking after the failed upgrade... there aren't pre-upgrade steps that remove packages or something
2022-05-21 18:44:08	leont	Probably. It's been a few weeks since it happened, I only now have time to actually fix it. I hadn't touched the laptop in almost a year so it had to upgrade everything and the kitchen sink
2022-05-21 18:44:21	Namarrgon	did you symlink your pacman cache?
2022-05-21 18:44:26	leont	Namarrgon: yes
2022-05-21 18:44:34	Namarrgon	well, don't do that
2022-05-21 18:45:14	Namarrgon	check the pacman log, reinstall the packages from that update
2022-05-21 18:46:34	leont	I first need to get pacman back, how do I do that?
2022-05-21 18:46:56	mpan	leont: <https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/pacman-static>
2022-05-21 18:46:59	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - pacman-static (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-05-21 18:47:08	Namarrgon	boot the archiso
2022-05-21 18:47:12	mpan	No need to build it, there is a link to a downloadable version from a Trusterd User.
2022-05-21 18:47:30	Edu4rdSHL	Trusterd, new role in AL
2022-05-21 18:47:45	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL TrusterD
2022-05-21 18:47:45	mpan	(my advice is relevant if you can boot; if you can’t — follow Namarrgon’s)
2022-05-21 18:48:09	mpan	Edu4rdSHL: not “trustard” at least. Would be insulting to some disabled people.
2022-05-21 18:48:40	artefact	systemd-trusterd
2022-05-21 18:48:45	Edu4rdSHL	Hehehehe, I was making a reference to a glorious piece of software that ends in D
2022-05-21 18:49:21	mpan	Like libReoffice, when it came to the repos?
2022-05-21 18:49:49	leont	Only stick I had at hand was an ubuntu one, but I mounted my drives and chrooted into it. I was hoping I could fix it from that point but yeah I may need to make a new arch one and install pacman from that
2022-05-21 18:50:40	mpan	Then follow Namarrgon’s advice. Mine is only relevant if you can boot into the installed Arch.
2022-05-21 19:03:38	leont	Now with a proper arch install iso
2022-05-21 19:03:46	leont	I guess I should do a pacstrap now?
2022-05-21 19:05:38	thrice	or just pacman from the iso
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2022-05-21 19:30:08	leont	That gives an error, complains about missing /mnt/var/lib/pacman/local/pacman-6.0.1-4/desc
2022-05-21 19:33:15	Namarrgon	leont: touch that file, then reinstall the pacakge
2022-05-21 19:36:57	leont	That whole folder is empty, so now it complains about files missing in the same dir
2022-05-21 19:39:17	thrice	you mounted your root partition to /mnt, right?
2022-05-21 19:39:31	leont	Yeah
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2022-05-21 20:21:17	concrete-houses	I switched to ondemadn schedler but stull policy 1.2ghz
2022-05-21 20:21:19	concrete-houses	hmmm
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2022-05-21 20:55:24	mnrmnaugh	hey uhmmmmm does anyone rememeber that x11 thing that put an anime girl onn top of a window
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2022-05-21 20:56:46	mnrmnaugh	like the name of it
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2022-05-21 20:57:22	FayneAldan	Is this the best place to ask for help? I'm trying to virtualize Arch Linux with a Windows host and VirtualBox, but it's just kernel panicking after the boot menu. Even with EFI, I just get a black screen.
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2022-05-21 20:59:37	artefact	how much ram did you give it?
2022-05-21 20:59:38	mnrmnaugh	tigrmesh do you remember the name of that thing that puts anime girls on top of your window? i am completely blanking
2022-05-21 20:59:46	FayneAldan	4 GB of RAM
2022-05-21 21:00:28	mnrmnaugh	4 is barely enough to runn windows
2022-05-21 21:00:43	mnrmnaugh	oh for the vm, my bad
2022-05-21 21:00:55	FayneAldan	I gave it 8 GB of RAM and it's still kernel panicking
2022-05-21 21:01:14	artefact	can you see the panic message?
2022-05-21 21:01:21	mnrmnaugh	ye thats probly more to do with the vbox version than anything
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2022-05-21 21:01:31	mnrmnaugh	post a screeshot of panic
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2022-05-21 21:01:41	FayneAldan	Is a link to catbox for a screenshot fine?
2022-05-21 21:02:11	FayneAldan	https://files.catbox.moe/w31fvr.png
2022-05-21 21:02:14	mnrmnaugh	as log as it wont install flashlight extetions for web bruiser?
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2022-05-21 21:02:29	artefact	don't bruise my webs! 👀
2022-05-21 21:03:20	FayneAldan	I don't even have Arch installed yet. It's just the Live CD (is that even the right term for Arch?).
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2022-05-21 21:03:29	mnrmnaugh	uhm, did you build the kernel yourself and forget to set up modules?
2022-05-21 21:03:38	mnrmnaugh	oh, hmm
2022-05-21 21:03:48	mnrmnaugh	maybe you got a bad image
2022-05-21 21:04:09	artefact	try the most generic amd64 cpu you can find in the vbox options, maybe
2022-05-21 21:04:43	FayneAldan	Just checked the checksum. That's fine. I'll try that tho. Gimme a minute.
2022-05-21 21:05:23	mnrmnaugh	uhm
2022-05-21 21:05:32	mnrmnaugh	arch is x86 only dude
2022-05-21 21:05:49	artefact	hehe. youngins
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2022-05-21 21:05:56	FayneAldan	uh so hmm
2022-05-21 21:06:07	FayneAldan	I changed the number of processors from 1 to 2 and now it boots
2022-05-21 21:06:09	mnrmnaugh	oh, i am like half paying attention... i read amd as arm
2022-05-21 21:06:23	mnrmnaugh	well thats fucky
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2022-05-21 21:06:32	FayneAldan	ikr lmao
2022-05-21 21:06:59	mnrmnaugh	serves you right using vbox :P  XD
2022-05-21 21:07:37	FayneAldan	I mean, I prefer having a GUI. I'd love to use QEMU but I can't figure out the CLI for it.
2022-05-21 21:07:51	Edu4rdSHL	FayneAldan, the kernel panics arent related to RAM
2022-05-21 21:08:05	Edu4rdSHL	What steps are you following?
2022-05-21 21:08:10	Edu4rdSHL	The ISO boots fine?
2022-05-21 21:08:16	Edu4rdSHL	Have you selected the right OS?
2022-05-21 21:08:27	FayneAldan	I already said I got it to work by increasing the number of processors to 2
2022-05-21 21:09:58	artefact	cool. that's weird though
2022-05-21 21:10:14	FayneAldan	But no, the ISO wasn't booting. I selected Arch Linux in VBox's wizard and it was crashing immediately after GRUB(?).
2022-05-21 21:10:20	FayneAldan	Arch wasn't even installed yet.
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2022-05-21 21:11:41	Hello71	unfortunately none of the interesting bits are visible
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2022-05-21 21:11:58	Hello71	probably vbox is doing something dumb
2022-05-21 21:12:08	Hello71	use qemu
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2022-05-21 21:12:35	FayneAldan	(i already said i got it working)
2022-05-21 21:12:45	FayneAldan	(and that i prefer vbox because it has a gui)
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2022-05-21 21:13:49	artefact	qemu has a gui too
2022-05-21 21:14:04	FayneAldan	only qemu gui for windows was last updated in 2015.
2022-05-21 21:14:32	FayneAldan	Unfortunately, virt-manager isn't on Windows.
2022-05-21 21:14:50	leont	I have a working laptop again. Thanks all, especially Namarrgon 
2022-05-21 21:15:02	Hello71	https://gitlab.com/qtemu/gui seems updated recently, but not really active
2022-05-21 21:15:03	phrik	Title: QtEmu / gui · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
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2022-05-21 21:16:03	heat	FayneAldan, what's your CPU?
2022-05-21 21:16:14	heat	what CPU is virtual box virtualizing?
2022-05-21 21:16:18	◣	Twig (~Twig@185.65.135.183) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2022-05-21 21:16:37	FayneAldan	oh, hmm. last time i tried to download QtEmu (from that gitlab link), the download link was dead.
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2022-05-21 21:17:07	FayneAldan	My host CPU is an i5-8400. Again, I got it to work by setting the number of processes to 2.
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2022-05-21 21:17:51	FayneAldan	scuffed lol
2022-05-21 21:17:58	teraflops	there's hyper-v which is better than vbox imo
2022-05-21 21:18:27	FayneAldan	Every time I've tried to use Hyper-V, something went wrong. I could try it again.
2022-05-21 21:18:50	FayneAldan	I mean, I already use it for WSL.
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2022-05-21 21:22:10	ℹ 	Tema establecido por Namarrgon el vie, 06 may 2022 01:12:11
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2022-05-21 21:22:53	FayneAldan	would just like to point out that Arch just worked on Hyper-V. lol
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2022-05-21 21:26:16	DeepDayze	WSL is fun to play with
2022-05-21 21:26:29	DeepDayze	and I think it supports Arch
2022-05-21 21:26:45	DeepDayze	Win11 has a newer WSL too
2022-05-21 21:27:07	FayneAldan	Yep. There's an Arch WSL distro on GitHub and Win11 WSL can run GUIs.
2022-05-21 21:27:31	DeepDayze	if I want VMs I'd go with VMware on Linux  with Win guests
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2022-05-21 21:28:07	DeepDayze	So if you want to play with Windows Server for example you can..on top of Arch!
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2022-05-21 21:28:13	ℹ 	mfiano_ es conocido ahora como mfiano
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2022-05-21 21:28:56	FayneAldan	So... I'm using archinstall. Should I just use the "VMware / VirtualBox" graphics driver on Hyper-V?
2022-05-21 21:29:35	DeepDayze	if you are using VBox...try that driver and don't forget the guest additions
2022-05-21 21:30:05	DeepDayze	ohh HYperv...my bad.
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2022-05-21 21:30:23	DeepDayze	Haven't really played with it much
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2022-05-21 21:33:25	Hello71	hyper-v isn't really as good as qemu but it's fine
2022-05-21 21:33:28	Hello71	FayneAldan: what are the options?
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2022-05-22 16:48:49	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1450 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1449 normals)
2022-05-22 13:23:23	Dreamer3	hmmm... can i mount a copy of a FULL disk somewhere and then access it's partition?
2022-05-22 13:23:35	Dreamer3	i can mount it with loopback, but that's just the disk... i still need to access the individual partitions
2022-05-22 13:24:15	majosa	losetup has a flag make kernel scan the partition table
2022-05-22 13:24:28	Dreamer3	hmmm
2022-05-22 13:25:53	colo	Dreamer3, also, kpartx
2022-05-22 13:25:53	xnovax	could just mount the partition from your image by specifying the offset
2022-05-22 13:28:45	mingdao	!give jason gentoo
2022-05-22 13:28:45	phrik	jason: Watching text scroll by for hours on end is fun for the whole family!
2022-05-22 13:30:36	colo	it really back was in 2007 or so, when I set up my parents' VDR PC with gentoo!
2022-05-22 13:30:52	Dreamer3	any util i could point at these to try to guess the type of filesystem?
2022-05-22 13:32:50	majosa	Or experiencing the adventures of chromium compilation when linked without ld.gold
2022-05-22 13:33:14	xnovax	Dreamer3: are you trying to recover data or something?
2022-05-22 13:34:20	Dreamer3	just some old LVM play files - i'm just seeing what they are being discardgin... one disk is LVM PVs... they show up as soon as i mounted them lookback... the other disk... i'm not so sure
2022-05-22 13:34:58	majosa	look with fdisk or parted if they have partition table
2022-05-22 13:35:04	Dreamer3	i'd have guessed it was more PV but it doesn't register
2022-05-22 13:35:13	Dreamer3	yeah, the partition tables aren't correct in any case
2022-05-22 13:35:15	Dreamer3	it says "Linux"
2022-05-22 13:35:21	Dreamer3	but so does the LVM one
2022-05-22 13:35:37	majosa	mbr or gpt?
2022-05-22 13:35:57	xnovax	maybe just clone it, and try to mount the clone?
2022-05-22 13:36:10	xnovax	or do whatever, but clone it first
2022-05-22 13:36:19	Dreamer3	mounting fails :)
2022-05-22 13:36:21	Dreamer3	first thing i tried
2022-05-22 13:36:33	Dreamer3	maybe it's LVM, is there a way to kick LVM to see it if it doesn't auto-find it?
2022-05-22 13:37:37	Dreamer3	the first 40kb is textual data that looks like LVM stuff
2022-05-22 13:38:54	majosa	I would like have the same problems
2022-05-22 13:39:12	mingdao	Dreamer3: lsblk -o +fstype,label,uuid,partuuid
2022-05-22 13:40:17	Dreamer3	yeah no magical info there regarding fstype or anything, all blank
2022-05-22 13:40:52	Dreamer3	just weird, probalby no matter though
2022-05-22 13:42:07	mingdao	I missed something here.  What are you trying to do?
2022-05-22 13:42:15	Dreamer3	just figure out waht this old file is :)
2022-05-22 13:42:25	Dreamer3	it's from LVM play a long time ago
2022-05-22 13:48:19	Dreamer3	i saw your spinner comment, my timestamples aren't UTC :)
2022-05-22 13:48:42	Dreamer3	damn i'm certain this partiion was LVM
2022-05-22 13:48:48	Dreamer3	bugs me a bit that it won't register now
2022-05-22 13:48:51	Dreamer3	even though it's not anything important
2022-05-22 13:51:57	Dreamer3	i know, the second drives showed up there, but not this one
2022-05-22 13:57:42	Dreamer3	ah i bet i pvremoved it in the past, which deleted the labels
2022-05-22 13:57:59	Dreamer3	i just tried adding and removing again and after the lbels are removed a LOT of LVM text is still on there to be found
2022-05-22 13:58:06	Dreamer3	so i'm closing this book :)
2022-05-22 13:58:29	wyre	hi guys, I'm not sure why, but I'm trying this https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA/Troubleshooting#Avoid_screen_tearing that used to work for my GPU (Geforce GT 740) ... but after the last driver update it's not working https://bpa.st/UYNQ
2022-05-22 13:58:31	phrik	Title: NVIDIA/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-22 13:58:55	Dreamer3	wyre: last update as in like a few days ago?
2022-05-22 13:59:01	wyre	I'm using nvidia-470xx-dkms
2022-05-22 13:59:12	Dreamer3	oh n/m that's older than mine then
2022-05-22 13:59:15	wyre	Dreamer3, sure, yesterday actually
2022-05-22 13:59:39	wyre	sure, it's an older one 😆
2022-05-22 14:01:14	Dreamer3	i have a 750
2022-05-22 14:03:11	wyre	Dreamer3, then you should have using also nvidia-470xx, shouldn't you? 
2022-05-22 14:03:27	wyre	s/have/are/
2022-05-22 14:03:30	Dreamer3	no
2022-05-22 14:03:35	Dreamer3	does ti make a big diff?
2022-05-22 14:03:45	Dreamer3	[NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti]
2022-05-22 14:03:56	wyre	Dreamer3, is that yours a GeForce GT 750?
2022-05-22 14:03:56	Dreamer3	using `nvidia` closed source
2022-05-22 14:04:05	wyre	oh, a GTX
2022-05-22 14:04:12	wyre	that's a little more than mine, I thinkofher 
2022-05-22 14:04:18	Dreamer3	yes, little damn i forget the brand
2022-05-22 14:04:19	wyre	upps, sorry 😆
2022-05-22 14:04:27	Dreamer3	not powerful enough for 4k+5k :(
2022-05-22 14:04:37	Dreamer3	but quite snappy with two non-hidpi screens
2022-05-22 14:04:45	wyre	Dreamer3, you mean the GTX brand? 
2022-05-22 14:04:51	Dreamer3	i mean my card
2022-05-22 14:05:04	Dreamer3	i finally gave up on hidpi and just driving my 4k at 1080
2022-05-22 14:05:10	Dreamer3	and now it's all gravy
2022-05-22 14:05:13	confrey	hi archers
2022-05-22 14:05:17	Dreamer3	where-as before it was 100% GPU and super laggy
2022-05-22 14:05:43	wyre	well, I'm planning to buy a new PC soon, but ... I'm not sure if I should wait for DDR5
2022-05-22 14:06:02	wyre	but I'm keen on this idea 😆
2022-05-22 14:07:16	Dreamer3	which idea?
2022-05-22 14:07:17	Dreamer3	waiting?
2022-05-22 14:07:32	wyre	yes
2022-05-22 14:07:44	Dreamer3	what is your existing setup?
2022-05-22 14:08:02	confrey	guys, I've a problem with a aur software, entropypianotuner; I installed it by yay, I get an error on running, I found this webpage : https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/entropy-piano-tuner ; I think the last comment is useful for me, but I'm not able to apply that suggestion; can anyone help me?
2022-05-22 14:08:03	Dreamer3	i just wanted to play around so my budget was $150 for a whole Linux/gaming PC :-)
2022-05-22 14:08:03	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - entropy-piano-tuner (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-05-22 14:08:17	Dreamer3	and it's honestly not bad at all for $150, though perhaps not a gaming monster
2022-05-22 14:09:23	wyre	Dreamer3, I'm guessing you mean just for the GPU, don't you? 
2022-05-22 14:10:02	Dreamer3	no, entire machine :)
2022-05-22 14:11:03	wyre	Dreamer3, so ... RPi? 😆
2022-05-22 14:11:10	wyre	https://bpa.st/NFKQ that's my setup Dreamer3 
2022-05-22 14:11:11	phrik	Title: View paste NFKQ (at bpa.st)
2022-05-22 14:11:39	Dreamer3	this was a few years ago... like $60 for a HP Z400, Xeon W3565 3.1Ghz, 16gig, 500gb HD from ebay... then $60 for graphics and like $30 for a 256 SSD?  soething like that
2022-05-22 14:12:12	Dreamer3	http://pastie.org/p/1FzafYNiKiHbpLy85KaXKF
2022-05-22 14:12:13	phrik	Title: Pastie (at pastie.org)
2022-05-22 14:12:56	Dreamer3	i wasn't sure i was going to do anything with it, so i didnt' want to spend a fortune just for a paperweight
2022-05-22 14:14:33	wyre	Dreamer3, more or less like the mine 😆
2022-05-22 14:15:00	Dreamer3	once i gave up on hidpi I find it quite snappy
2022-05-22 14:15:09	Dreamer3	and i'm still not even 100% on SSD... but once things are in RAM...
2022-05-22 14:15:32	wyre	well, I'd like to buy a good one, brand new
2022-05-22 14:15:48	wyre	>$1000
2022-05-22 14:16:18	wyre	but you know, prices are still so high and I'm trying also to increase my savings
2022-05-22 14:16:47	wyre	I think I can keep using this one for a few years more, and see what happens
2022-05-22 14:17:24	wyre	but I liked the forcefullcompositepipeline thin! 😥
2022-05-22 14:21:48	haibar	hello everyone. Any idea if its possible to share (over nfs) a mounted HDD (Laptop has SSD with arch system and HDD storage)? I can access all the files on the SSD from the Desktop (NFS ok) but not the HDD
2022-05-22 14:22:14	haibar	HDD is mounted on Laptop with fstab entry and is accessible
2022-05-22 14:34:17	haibar	Aah its good, my /etc/export entry was missing the "crossmnt" option :)
2022-05-22 14:54:00	wyre	not sure why the auto-generated 20-nvidia.conf for xorg with `sudo nvidia-xconfig` is causing xorg won't start properly 🤔 https://bpa.st/2CFA
2022-05-22 14:54:01	phrik	Title: View paste 2CFA (at bpa.st)
2022-05-22 14:55:07	Scimmia	wyre: from that log, you don't have the correct nvidia module loaded
2022-05-22 14:55:56	Vorpal	I haven't had a need to run nvidia-xconfig. It just works by installing the modules. At least on desktop
2022-05-22 14:56:03	wyre	Scimmia, https://bpa.st/SQJQ
2022-05-22 14:56:04	phrik	Title: View paste SQJQ (at bpa.st)
2022-05-22 14:56:18	Vorpal	On laptop I installed optimus-manager (from AUR I believe?) to allow switching between integrated/hybrid/dgpu
2022-05-22 14:56:19	Scimmia	wyre: what version?
2022-05-22 14:59:16	wyre	Scimmia, https://bpa.st/OVUA
2022-05-22 14:59:17	phrik	Title: View paste OVUA (at bpa.st)
2022-05-22 15:02:20	Scimmia	wyre: and nvidia-utils (whichever one you have) matches that?
2022-05-22 15:03:08	wyre	Scimmia, according to pacman yes ... https://bpa.st/ZLYA
2022-05-22 15:03:09	phrik	Title: View paste ZLYA (at bpa.st)
2022-05-22 15:03:32	Scimmia	wyre: oh, and that just shows the version that's in the filesystem, not what's loaded. If you have it in your initramfs, for instance, you could be loading a different version
2022-05-22 15:03:56	wyre	Scimmia, hmmm, I've rebooted several times after I'm having this problem
2022-05-22 15:04:14	wyre	but maybe the update didn't run the mkinitcpio ... 
2022-05-22 15:04:17	Scimmia	unless the initramfs was regenerated, rebooting wouldn't do it
2022-05-22 15:04:40	wyre	but I'd say this was also done 🤔
2022-05-22 15:04:48	wyre	let's redo it anyway 
2022-05-22 15:06:05	Vorpal	wyre: sorry if this was discussed earlier and I missed it: Why do you need nvidia-xconfig though?
2022-05-22 15:06:40	Vorpal	isn't it to just autodetect and work?
2022-05-22 15:06:46	Vorpal	it supposed to*
2022-05-22 15:06:48	Scimmia	I would assume it was an attempt to fix this issue
2022-05-22 15:07:55	Vorpal	ah, it started out with screen tearing. I got to find a way to hide all the joins/parts in the IRC client so I don't have to scroll a mile to find the question
2022-05-22 15:08:27	wyre	exactly Vorpal 😉
2022-05-22 15:08:39	wyre	and thank you veery much Scimmia it was exactly because of that hehe
2022-05-22 15:08:57	Vorpal	did xconfig help though?
2022-05-22 15:09:59	wyre	I thought there was some kind of hook after upgrading the nvidia-470xx-dkms package 🤔
2022-05-22 15:10:12	Scimmia	only if you make one
2022-05-22 15:10:15	Vorpal	I think you need to set up the hook yourself
2022-05-22 15:10:19	Scimmia	there's one in the wiki, IIRC
2022-05-22 15:10:34	Vorpal	there is
2022-05-22 15:11:11	Vorpal	It is written for the standard nvidia package, you will have to replace some strings in it to match your driver and possibly also kernel
2022-05-22 15:11:33	wyre	Scimmia, I've just realized I had it ... https://bpa.st/HP3Q 😲
2022-05-22 15:11:34	phrik	Title: View paste HP3Q (at bpa.st)
2022-05-22 15:11:41	wyre	It wasn't triggered? 🤔
2022-05-22 15:11:53	Vorpal	wyre: check if it is written for the right driver
2022-05-22 15:12:05	wyre	Vorpal, the xorg cfg file by itself is not useful, but I just want to preserve the fullcompositepipeline thing 😉
2022-05-22 15:13:26	wyre	Vorpal, hmmm ... I guess I've copied literally the snipped and I didn't noticed that I should have replaced `nvidia` with `nvidia-470xx`.... shouldn't I? 
2022-05-22 15:13:53	wyre	s/noticed/notice/
2022-05-22 15:14:00	Vorpal	well it needs to be -dkms as well
2022-05-22 15:14:03	Vorpal	but yes
2022-05-22 15:14:34	Vorpal	it matches on the package name
2022-05-22 15:15:18	wyre	I see, so you might want also to rebuild the initramfs even after an upgrade in the non-dkms/static driver, right? 
2022-05-22 15:15:22	Vorpal	also if you use a kernel other than linux (linux-lts or linux-zen I guess are the options?) that needs to be replaced in two different locations as well. (I did this just the other day when messing around with a laptop that had weird issues, trying different kernels to see if it would help)
2022-05-22 15:15:38	Vorpal	I thought you used the dkms version, you said so above?
2022-05-22 15:15:47	mingdao	Vorpal: try /ignore * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS
2022-05-22 15:16:15	Vorpal	mingdao: is it server side? not sure if konversation supports that
2022-05-22 15:16:45	wyre	Vorpal, sure, but the wiki snipped has the snipped for nvidia, which I guess it's static, no-dkms, just for arch1-1
2022-05-22 15:16:55	wyre	d/snipped/
2022-05-22 15:16:58	mingdao	Vorpal: IDK ... what I said `try` it.  Works in irssi.
2022-05-22 15:17:03	wyre	s/snipped/snippet/
2022-05-22 15:17:09	Vorpal	well, it did something.
2022-05-22 15:17:27	mingdao	https://0x0.st/oaJi.png
2022-05-22 15:18:23	mingdao	Vorpal: In irssi we use https://github.com/irssi/scripts.irssi.org/blob/master/scripts/toggle_hidelevel.pl so that ^T ... yes, shows Vorpal [~Vorpal@user/Vorpal] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
2022-05-22 15:19:02	Vorpal	I got "|Ignore| Added *, JOINS, PARTS, QUITS, NICKS to your ignore list.". So it ignored everything I think. I reset the config from git since I couldn't find where to reset it in the GUI.
2022-05-22 15:20:19	Vorpal	Needs further investigation
2022-05-22 15:20:20	Dreamer3	which WM am i thinking of where you can minimize windows to icons on the desktop?
2022-05-22 15:20:32	mingdao	I don't use anything KDE, but a konversation channel, or other documentation/wiki, might help.
2022-05-22 15:21:04	Vorpal	yeah, I only started using konversation recently. I needed something to get on IRC after not having used it for a decade in order to ask a question.
2022-05-22 15:21:35	MacGyver	Dreamer3: Windows 3.1
2022-05-22 15:21:47	mingdao	This is what it looks like pressing ^T with the script https://0x0.st/oaJX.png
2022-05-22 15:21:48	Vorpal	I think I used hexchat back in the day, but I thought it would be nice to get something that fit in with my current DE of choice. I'm not that impressed so far, so I might go back to hexchat.
2022-05-22 15:21:57	mingdao	Just toggle back and forth.
2022-05-22 15:22:08	Vorpal	it is just really bad at handling dark theme for a start
2022-05-22 15:22:49	MacGyver	Dreamer3: On a more serious note, I think XFCE can do this.
2022-05-22 15:22:56	Vorpal	mingdao: the * in that pattern definitely just ended up as a glob getting rid of everything :/
2022-05-22 15:23:08	Vorpal	As I can see several missed lines in your screenshot that I never saw
2022-05-22 15:23:17	mingdao	Vorpal: In irssi it means all channels, iirc.
2022-05-22 15:23:37	Dreamer3	i thought it was one of the boxes
2022-05-22 15:24:06	ken123	I'm using Thunderbird's IRC client now, it's also not that good.  
2022-05-22 15:24:13	Vorpal	yeah, clients are different. I was never a big fan of irssi back in the day. I used to be on a lot of channels
2022-05-22 15:24:24	Vorpal	and I found it unweidly for that use case
2022-05-22 15:24:30	Vorpal	doesn't matter now though
2022-05-22 15:25:04	wyre	Vorpal, won't `mkinitcpio -P` rebuild initramfs for all kernel images? 🤔
2022-05-22 15:25:27	mingdao	Vorpal: This is my status line in irssi: 08:24:56 mingdao (+RZiw) 15:liberachat/#archlinux (+Cnrt) Act: 1,3,4,7,8,10,11,12,13,14,17,23,24,27   Moving between channels is easy for me.
2022-05-22 15:25:33	Vorpal	wyre: yes
2022-05-22 15:26:07	wyre	Vorpal, so what's that Target line for?
2022-05-22 15:26:45	Vorpal	mingdao: sure, but I used to be on like 150+ channels back then. No idea why I thought that was a good idea back then XD
2022-05-22 15:27:33	Vorpal	wyre: iirc it is meant to only run the hook when the nvidia package is updated as opposed to the linux package. Since the linux package will trigger mkinitcpio on it's own anyway
2022-05-22 15:28:14	Vorpal	huh... This will actually break if you have multiple kernel packages installed, since if you update nvidia and *one* of those kernels, it will not end up being rebuilt for any of the other kernels
2022-05-22 15:29:19	Vorpal	Completely switching topic: The wiki doesn't have good page on 3D printing software. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/RepRap exists but is outdated and refers to the RepRap project that is hardly relevant any more. I'm thinking about creating a new page for listing the different slicers, host control software etc. Some sections of the old RepRap page could be folded into it. Any input on this?
2022-05-22 15:29:20	phrik	Title: RepRap - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-22 15:31:09	Vorpal	from my point of view, what would be much more useful than the current page is either just an up-to-date section on https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications or a separate page linked from that with the list plus any extra info
2022-05-22 15:31:11	phrik	Title: List of applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-22 15:31:42	mingdao	Vorpal: My recommendation is /join irssi and /topic and ask.  TTYL
2022-05-22 15:32:27	Vorpal	mingdao: I really don't think I'm going to switch to irssi regardless. I prefer a GUI program for IRC. But thanks for the tip. I might join #konversation though.
2022-05-22 15:34:16	susi	Vorpal: after trying, you'd never switch back
2022-05-22 15:35:23	Vorpal	susi: Thanks, but while I love the terminal (my zsh config is quite customised), at some point I realised that GUI programs are in fact better for certain things.
2022-05-22 15:36:17	susi	not for irc/textual conversation
2022-05-22 15:36:21	susi	:)
2022-05-22 15:37:36	Vorpal	susi: I abandoned emacs (never could get used to the mode approach of vi) for vs code for example. Yet that is textual.
2022-05-22 15:39:09	mingdao	susi: No one who prefers vs code to vim could use irssi.  ;)
2022-05-22 15:43:57	ugubok	I am struggling with bluetooth issue on Thinkpad X220 that was there since I buy it. Problem is my bluetooth headset is loosing connection after ~10min without any signs: it's not saying "lost connection", and in blueberry it is shown as connected, but I hear only silence. Recently I learned to quickly restore the connection by pressing "play/pause" button on headset (which is working by AVRCP
2022-05-22 15:43:59	ugubok	profile), but it's working only within ~10 seconds after connection loss, otherwise I need to restart headset. I tried to switch to pipewire, disabled USB autosuspend, switch to APT-X codec without success. What else should I try?
2022-05-22 15:45:26	Vorpal	I have friends on windows who have issues with bluetooth. Some headsets are just bad. In light of this: does the head set work better on a different computer, different OS? Does the computer work better with a different headset or bluetooth device?
2022-05-22 15:46:48	Hello71	have you tried bluez instead of gnome-bluetooth
2022-05-22 15:46:57	ugubok	Vorpal: I have another archlinux laptop, that headset works on it for days without any problem
2022-05-22 15:47:52	Vorpal	that would indeed suggest hardware problems (or config differences). Do both laptops support the same bluetooth versions? Maybe the headset has issues with a newer version/low energy variant of bluetooth?
2022-05-22 15:48:12	ugubok	Hello71: Wow, I didn't think there is bluetooth subsystem other than bluez. I think I was used bluez, but actually I use gnome-bluetooth
2022-05-22 15:48:33	Vorpal	isn't gnome-bluetooth based on bluez?
2022-05-22 15:48:43	ugubok	I am immediately switching to bluez
2022-05-22 15:48:54	Vorpal	says it depends on bluez
2022-05-22 15:49:06	ugubok	bluez is not installed 
2022-05-22 15:49:22	Vorpal	~ ❯ pacman -Si gnome-bluetooth | grep Depends
2022-05-22 15:49:23	Vorpal	Depends On      : gtk3  libnotify  bluez  libcanberra  systemd  pulseaudio-bluetooth
2022-05-22 15:49:38	ugubok	Oops, actually I have bluez installed (but bluez-git)
2022-05-22 15:49:43	Vorpal	I use KDE so I wouldn't run into that myself
2022-05-22 15:53:36	The-Compiler	arojas: meh, I tried to debug it a bit, but I'm getting nowhere
2022-05-22 15:54:12	The-Compiler	arojas: the server is sending the feed data back, so it seems like something is going wrong when adding it to the page, but I can't figure out what - don't see any exceptions or anything
2022-05-22 16:09:51	VIA	hello people of arch-linux!
2022-05-22 16:35:43	VIA	can someone recommend a nice arch-distro for beginners (linux noob) ?
2022-05-22 16:36:22	VIA	im a visual type, for many things i prefer GUI. still much to learn about Linux
2022-05-22 16:37:02	Namarrgon	there is only one arch distro, the rest is unsupported
2022-05-22 16:37:14	Vorpal	I'm not sure Arch is the right option if you are new to Linux to be honest. You will need to interact with the terminal.
2022-05-22 16:37:17	Namarrgon	and none of them are for linux noobs
2022-05-22 16:38:08	Vorpal	There are Arch derivaties, but I don't believe they are that much easier to get into. Ubuntu used to be good for beginners, but I heard some people claim that Fedora has caught up and surpassed it for that.
2022-05-22 16:38:16	susi	my first distro was Gentoo, and then I moved to Arch, and I think it was extremely suitable option for a noob :-) a noob willing to learn
2022-05-22 16:38:19	VIA	hmmmm how only one distro? i recall many conversations were ppl mentioned their favorite arch distro/or the one theyre using
2022-05-22 16:38:22	Vorpal	(note: ubuntu and fedora are NOT arch derivaties)
2022-05-22 16:38:32	MacGyver	yes.
2022-05-22 16:38:34	MacGyver	Argh.
2022-05-22 16:38:37	MacGyver	Worst time for that typo.
2022-05-22 16:38:42	MacGyver	I wanted to say "yet".
2022-05-22 16:38:45	VIA	like 2 month ago some guy told me about some arch-distro for gaming (?!)
2022-05-22 16:39:12	Namarrgon	VIA: spins and forks of arch are unsupported by the arch community, you will be on your own if you choose of those
2022-05-22 16:39:19	susi	if you are willing to learn and challenge yourself, I can recommend Arch; it forces you to learn things
2022-05-22 16:39:27	Vorpal	susi: well okay. I started on Slackware so yes. If you have the interest and inclination you can get started on anything. But then I ended up working professionally a software engineer when I grew up as well.
2022-05-22 16:39:31	VIA	Vorpal: hmhmhmm - i was just recommended Fedora an i does look nice, reaing about it shortly, but i didnt find any links to arch ..
2022-05-22 16:39:48	Namarrgon	fedora has nothing to do with arch
2022-05-22 16:39:52	Vorpal	indeed
2022-05-22 16:39:58	VIA	susi: yea am willin to learn, seriously
2022-05-22 16:40:15	VIA	but iv been interacting with the terminal alot and made some small scripts already
2022-05-22 16:40:50	susi	I know people who have been using some other distro for 15 years, and they are less capable with Linux than I am after ~2 years of Arch
2022-05-22 16:40:56	VIA	often when i ask a question, many people just jump and go "DONT USE SUDO .. never sudo .. dont dothis, dont do that ..."
2022-05-22 16:41:13	VIA	so in the end i had to dig into the system and figure it out on my own
2022-05-22 16:41:43	Vorpal	VIA: not running things as root when it isn't required is indeed a good idea. On Linux a lot of things that would need admin privileges on other platforms can be done without that. Or adjusted so it can be done without admin going forward
2022-05-22 16:42:19	VIA	the things i needed to do always required root, no workarounds (to my knowledge)
2022-05-22 16:42:43	Vorpal	and if you do not mind the terminal and reading some documentation (okay, a LOT of documentation probably if you are new to this), arch is indeed a good distro
2022-05-22 16:42:47	VIA	and the problems/questions i have had, people also always (mostly) right away assumed a layer 8 problem
2022-05-22 16:43:09	VIA	is there an arch-distro for gaming ?
2022-05-22 16:43:18	Khorne	Yes, it's Arch Linux
2022-05-22 16:43:36	Vorpal	VIA: one thing is that you can sometimes add your user to a group to get more access. For example if you need USB-serial-converter access (for arduino stuff and similar).
2022-05-22 16:44:03	VIA	AH! nowi recall, one VM i have running right now is Manjaro, it says its arch based :>
2022-05-22 16:44:08	Khorne	ugh
2022-05-22 16:44:12	susi	Manjaro sucks
2022-05-22 16:44:31	Vorpal	manjaro is a derivative, so it is not supported here. I assume they have their own channel or forum. Never tried it myself either
2022-05-22 16:45:14	susi	!give VIA manjaro-controversies
2022-05-22 16:45:15	phrik	VIA: https://rentry.co/manjaro-controversies
2022-05-22 16:45:18	Vorpal	nothing wrong with derivatives in general (ubuntu is based on debian for example), I don't know about manjaro as I never tried it. 
2022-05-22 16:46:03	VIA	susi: some people like Audio .. some prefer Volvo .. what can i say ._.
2022-05-22 16:46:28	susi	I happen to know something about Manjaro, and I'd never recommend it to anyone
2022-05-22 16:46:49	Khorne	VIA, #manjaro then
2022-05-22 16:48:18	susi	VIA: at least check that link, it gives a general idea
2022-05-22 16:48:25	Scimmia	VIA: you're missing the point people are trying to make. There are no arch-distros. There are other distros based on Arch, but they are not arch-distros, they are their own, separate distros
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2022-05-22 16:49:52	VIA	susi: ty for the controversy link, good to know !
2022-05-22 16:50:29	VIA	personally i dislike .updates. a lot. havent heard the term 'rolling distro' before
2022-05-22 16:50:43	Namarrgon	why do you even want arch in particular?
2022-05-22 16:50:54	Namarrgon	if you dislike updates then you will hate arch
2022-05-22 16:50:54	VIA	i dont understand, why would you need to constantly update things, when you have a perfectly fine working installation?!
2022-05-22 16:51:06	Khorne	Why does anyone want arch if not to be able to say 'i use arch btw' unironically
2022-05-22 16:51:27	Khorne	VIA, uhh..security patches if not anything else?
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2022-05-22 16:51:31	VIA	maybe a debian distro other than ubuntu is the righ choice for me then
2022-05-22 16:51:52	VIA	Khorne: i rather invest in a hardware firewall
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2022-05-22 16:52:06	Namarrgon	that's not going to fix the software behind the firewall
2022-05-22 16:52:08	Khorne	lol
2022-05-22 16:52:10	Khorne	Yea
2022-05-22 16:52:14	VIA	VPN's obfuscation firewalling .. closing doors
2022-05-22 16:52:28	Namarrgon	that's a bunch of random words without meaning
2022-05-22 16:52:45	VIA	with Microsift windoze i always felt 99% of updates make the system more voulnerable
2022-05-22 16:52:55	Scimmia	install Windows XP. It works. Done
2022-05-22 16:53:06	Khorne	XP? Bloated shit, do 95
2022-05-22 16:53:11	VIA	no meaning i see
2022-05-22 16:53:23	VIA	w7 4 life xD
2022-05-22 16:53:46	Vorpal	Khorne: windows 1 is way smaller than that :P
2022-05-22 16:53:51	Khorne	This doesn't seem like it could become a productive discussion to be fair..
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2022-05-22 16:53:55	Khorne	Good luck
2022-05-22 16:53:58	Vorpal	also I'm pretty sure it is secure, no internet support
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2022-05-22 16:57:16	slee	hi, trying to mount my iphone. i have libimobiledevice, ifuse, usbmuxd installed as per https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/IOS#Installation . i plug my iphone up(usb), on the phone i tap 'trust this computer'...'systemctl status usbmuxd.service' shows that the service is active/running, but when i try 'idevicepair pair', it returns no device found...am i missing something the arch page isn't
2022-05-22 16:57:16	slee	showing?
2022-05-22 16:57:17	phrik	Title: iOS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-22 16:57:25	VIA	i stopped selling crack and guns on the darknet. im not so worried about security anymore. i like minimalism, stability performancy and relieability
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2022-05-22 16:59:02	Scimmia	and trolling
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2022-05-22 17:01:14	VIA	its interesting to observe every linux-distro-niche's peoples likes and dislikes/preferences ..input etc. its been an interesting journey into linux for me so far. appreciate everyones input ty
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2022-05-22 17:58:43	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-05-22 17:58:43	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1451 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1450 normals)
2022-05-22 17:58:45	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-05-22 17:59:08	mesaoptimizer	dostoyevsky2: did you manually install arch on the vps? I've never heard of a VPS that provides broken OS images (that is, without networking)
2022-05-22 17:59:43	dostoyevsky2	mesaoptimizer: yeah, booting into a debian image, then attaching the arch iso and doing a normal install
2022-05-22 18:00:09	mesaoptimizer	huh. well, you could attach the iso again, then use `arch-chroot` to install networking packages.
2022-05-22 18:00:21	morguldir	i assume there is no arch image?
2022-05-22 18:00:44	mesaoptimizer	you have to boot into the iso, of course
2022-05-22 18:00:46	dostoyevsky2	mesaoptimizer: I do it in a script anyways... so I just destroy the instance and start again and now also install cloud-init
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2022-05-22 18:01:23	mesaoptimizer	sure. just add `networkmanager` or something to that effect to the `pacstrap` line (based on my memory)
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2022-05-22 18:03:49	Scimmia	It should just need a dhcp client, systemd-networkd has one built in
2022-05-22 18:04:13	Scimmia	nm would be severe overkill for something like this
2022-05-22 18:04:47	dostoyevsky2	morguldir: No, arch is not offered... At least it's not as bad as it used to be on OVH, where you had to use some qemu setup to overwrite the local disk, as you couldn't attach isos
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2022-05-22 18:06:05	toinux_	Or you can pacstrap
2022-05-22 18:06:17	toinux_	From a running chroot
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2022-05-22 18:06:58	toinux_	But that’s a pretty heavy workload just to install a custom distribution on a cheap French Hosting provider
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2022-05-22 18:08:41	dostoyevsky2	toinux_: Chroot wouldn't work.. If you can't mount an iso, it means you have to run qemu and make it believe it could overwrite your boot disk... and then install arch in the vm...  I don't think you could convince linux to overwrite its boot disk without the qemu bit
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2022-05-22 18:09:29	toinux_	I remember transforming my Debian to a ramfs Debian, then chrooting in an arch rootfs to pacstrap on the real disk
2022-05-22 18:09:47	toinux_	Ramfs-booted *
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2022-05-22 18:11:10	Gnea	is there even a point to using things like syslog-ng anymore since systemd-journald gathers everything up anymore?
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2022-05-22 18:23:14	thrice	they can work together with the journal
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2022-05-22 18:23:14	thrice	if you prefer plaintext logs or something
2022-05-22 18:23:14	thrice	but generally no, the journald is quite good
2022-05-22 18:23:14	mpan	Gnea: there may be systems running legacy log processing software or configuration.
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2022-05-22 18:23:14	Gnea	mpan: oh sure
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2022-05-22 18:23:15	Gnea	thrice: I had another issue that I recently solved with regard to getting it to work right. journald is quite good, but I've always appreciated the way that syslog daemons (syslogk, rsyslog, syslog-ng, etc...) sort everything out and make it easier to find what's going on rather than having to learn a whole new system just to find out why postfix isn't working right
2022-05-22 18:23:45	mpan	For example journald will not listen on port 6514. So if your configuration depends on it, you have a use case for classic syslog.
2022-05-22 18:23:56	thrice	lol, what?  the journal allows you to view only entries for that process
2022-05-22 18:24:00	Gnea	mpan: I don't disagree
2022-05-22 18:24:10	mpan	Gnea: and I am not arguing. I am giving you examples.
2022-05-22 18:24:16	Gnea	mpan: thank you
2022-05-22 18:24:59	Gnea	thrice: is there a tutorial on this stuff outside of the arch wiki on this?
2022-05-22 18:25:16	thrice	a tutorial on journald?  I suspect there are several
2022-05-22 18:25:26	Gnea	like, a good one lol
2022-05-22 18:25:36	thrice	same answer
2022-05-22 18:25:40	Gnea	:-)
2022-05-22 18:25:56	Gnea	okay, I'll hit up the search then
2022-05-22 18:26:15	thrice	and "man journalctl"
2022-05-22 18:26:21	thrice	their documentation is pretty good
2022-05-22 18:27:10	mpan	But for filtering you have options, `man journalctl` and search for “match”. I am not merely RTMF-ing you; that will give you the list of filtering options you ask for.
2022-05-22 18:28:03	mpan	And `man systemd.journal-fields`, but that is already mentioned if you look for what “match” search gives.
2022-05-22 18:28:20	mpan	In 9/10 cases the first one is enough.
2022-05-22 18:29:42	mpan	`journalctl` also has the `-o` option, defining output format, and JSON is one of the options. In case you want to engage in some heavy and complex filtering.
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2022-05-22 18:40:26	Gnea	thanks again :-)
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2022-05-22 19:12:23	Zambie	HI :)
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2022-05-22 19:13:54	Zambie	Hows it goin?
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2022-05-22 19:20:44	sorta	phew I finally caved in and used wget and imv for my xdg-open script instead of just feh :D https://github.com/sattopadhyay/bin/commit/0aafbec3fb0ff23f633d9574dca0bcbe40de0ef7
2022-05-22 19:21:23	sorta	apparently feh doesn't play gifs and this extremely cute gif i recieved inspired this commit, thanks to someone here who'd suggested this idea
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2022-05-22 19:42:56	ℹ 	docmax_ es conocido ahora como docmax
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2022-05-22 19:49:34	ℹ 	samus es conocido ahora como placebo
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2022-05-22 19:51:25	noobaroo	Does anyone know the equivalent of "dhclient tun0" in NetworkManager? 
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2022-05-22 19:53:05	noobaroo	I'm trying to set up a functional SoftEther VPN Client on my PC. I'm all connected to the VPN, but I need to request an IP via DHCP for the TUN adapter so I can add it to the routing. The command is shown above for dhclient, but I'm not using dhclient 
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2022-05-22 19:58:29	susi	what's different between feh and imv, imv says it's 'for users of tiling window managers', but what's the difference?
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2022-05-22 19:58:56	susi	it seems to be 100x bigger than imv with dependencies, at least
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2022-05-22 19:59:52	susi	I mean, imv seems to be 100x bigger than feh*
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2022-05-22 20:01:12	mongy	could use ffplay for gifs
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2022-05-22 20:01:44	ℹ 	d4gr4 es conocido ahora como d4gr
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2022-05-22 20:16:52	noobaroo	I really need help, if anyone new is around now 
2022-05-22 20:17:53	noobaroo	I need to request DHCP ip adress for my virtual TUN adapter. All website answers that I can find say use "dhclient" which I don't have, I am using standalone NetworkManager
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2022-05-23 16:26:44	MacGyver	NetworkManager, systemd-networkd, wg-quick...
2022-05-23 16:27:04	MacGyver	Anything that takes the manual `ip address add 10.0.0.1/24 dev wg0` out of your hands.
2022-05-23 16:28:26	cedb	MacGyver: makes sense but thats for each machine, do nm, systemd or wg have a lease system ala dhcp to prevent collisions and so forth?
2022-05-23 16:28:32	MacGyver	No.
2022-05-23 16:28:53	MacGyver	For the simple reason that wireguard as it stands cannot carry DHCP traffic.
2022-05-23 16:29:09	MacGyver	You *must* configure the IP address on each peer individually.
2022-05-23 16:29:16	cedb	ah, so when connecting to some vpn with wireguard, some authority must assign ip addresses no?
2022-05-23 16:29:22	MacGyver	Yes.
2022-05-23 16:29:39	MacGyver	mullvad's configurator will presumably embed the right address in the configuration.
2022-05-23 16:30:17	cedb	right that makes sense, i guess thats why you can't hand craft everything, you need /some/ "thing" talking to mullvad to ask for an ip
2022-05-23 16:30:51	MacGyver	Note that even if addresses were auto-assigned, you'd still have to deal with setting the right AllowedIPs.
2022-05-23 16:31:35	cedb	cause no dhcp over wireguard
2022-05-23 16:31:47	cedb	ah no okay yeah
2022-05-23 16:33:23	MacGyver	Wireguard is best thought of as two network interfaces and a fancy network cable between them, with a filter in place that drops packets that don't have the right address. Crucially, *IP address configuration* and *route configuration* are not done by Wireguard. That is done by additional, normal network configuration tooling like NetworkManager, systemd-networkd or iproute2; or
2022-05-23 16:33:25	cedb	well i mean it'd be ::/0 if you want everything to be over wg i guess
2022-05-23 16:33:26	MacGyver	wireguard-specific tooling like wg-quick, or the android client, etc.
2022-05-23 16:33:54	MacGyver	And because dhcp doesn't work over this fancy cable, the existing tooling *can't* use DHCP.
2022-05-23 16:37:50	xnovax	cedb: You can configure it all manually. Like MacGyver said, all the addresses are predetermined.
2022-05-23 16:38:08	xnovax	there is no asking anyone for ip's
2022-05-23 16:38:23	cedb	okay so the crucial things to configure are allowedips and wg internal ip which routes all incoming traffic over that fancy cable that match allowed ips to the internal ip and then wg converts fancy cable signal incoming to internal ip to regular ip traffic to the kernel
2022-05-23 16:38:39	xnovax	test with your phone first :D
2022-05-23 16:38:50	xnovax	get it working there, from phone to pc/laptop
2022-05-23 16:39:09	cedb	it works on android in userspace non root shenanigans?
2022-05-23 16:39:12	xnovax	the configuration, will pretty much be nearly identicle to what mullvad is even doing
2022-05-23 16:39:17	xnovax	yes you dont need root
2022-05-23 16:39:22	cedb	nice
2022-05-23 16:39:44	cedb	xnovax: well theres one part of the configuration that needs asking ip, the internal mullvad one no?
2022-05-23 16:40:01	xnovax	mullvad tells you what those ips are per whatever server you want to use
2022-05-23 16:40:13	xnovax	they have a list of their servers, and all the ips
2022-05-23 16:41:02	xnovax	there are probably guides on the net, for configuring it manually
2022-05-23 16:41:20	cedb	yeah im browsing through them
2022-05-23 16:41:35	xnovax	the mullvad supplied config might be good enough, i dont know its been a while
2022-05-23 16:42:44	cedb	i mean the mullvad servers page has the ips of their servers but not a list of the ip i personally could use to connect to that server
2022-05-23 16:42:50	cedb	like /my/ internal ip
2022-05-23 16:43:08	xnovax	they do have them, you can even filter the servers by wireguard or openvpn
2022-05-23 16:43:27	xnovax	the ips they give ARE the ips you would connect to
2022-05-23 16:45:34	cedb	okay sorry i was being dense, from reading aw/wg i though i had to give myself an internal ip 
2022-05-23 16:45:54	cedb	the first table under usage: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/WireGuard 
2022-05-23 16:45:56	phrik	Title: WireGuard - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-23 17:03:30	noobaroo	I'm trying to use the CLI SoftEther VPN Client on my Arch Linux installation. I'm connected to the VPN server, but my tun0 does not have an IP address. The tutorial instructs me to do "dhclient tun0" but I'm using standalone NetworkManager. Does anyone know how I can request an IP via DHCP for my virtual tun0 adapter?
2022-05-23 17:21:45	Dreamer3	A global configuration file should be located at /etc/tmux.conf. NOPE. am i missing something?
2022-05-23 17:21:49	Dreamer3	it's not listed in the tmux package
2022-05-23 17:23:01	jelle	Dreamer3: who says that it should be?
2022-05-23 17:23:11	Dreamer3	the wiki
2022-05-23 17:23:23	Dreamer3	"should be"
2022-05-23 17:23:31	jelle	wiki is wrong then :)
2022-05-23 17:23:39	Dreamer3	so where does one get a default tmux config then?
2022-05-23 17:23:40	Dreamer3	ugh
2022-05-23 17:24:27	jelle	https://github.com/tmux/tmux/blob/master/example_tmux.conf but I would just write my own
2022-05-23 17:27:58	Dreamer3	corrected
2022-05-23 17:28:37	r4m47	hi
2022-05-23 17:31:14	r4m47	hi all
2022-05-23 17:32:39	cedb	Dreamer3: the default is the default, you mean one with all the default settings but commented out?
2022-05-23 17:32:58	Dreamer3	cedb: that is what i was expecting like SO many other packages, yes
2022-05-23 17:34:05	cedb	Dreamer3: yeah tmux doenst quite work like that i think, its a bit like vim, there are so many bindings and settings by default that it'd be a bit too verbose, i guess it d end up looking like weechat
2022-05-23 17:34:54	cedb	Dreamer3: there are plenty of tmux dotfiles and tutorials lying around though, i just change my prefix key and the bg color for the status bar cause green hurts my eyes
2022-05-23 17:36:45	cedb	where is a good place to store sensitive files, owned by root and perms set to 600?
2022-05-23 17:37:17	cedb	just trying basic security for some secrets (mullvad account number) without putting everything under gpg
2022-05-23 17:37:24	Dreamer3	 /root ?
2022-05-23 17:37:53	Dreamer3	 /etc ? often files in /etc are locked down if they are secrettive
2022-05-23 17:38:05	cedb	ya i was going for /etc
2022-05-23 17:38:31	cedb	also why the hell does `mullvad account get` for the AUR cli runs without sudo
2022-05-23 17:38:40	cedb	that doenst sound like, great
2022-05-23 17:48:24	cedb	xnovax: NB: i did need the mullvad config generator just to get an ip, you can always diddle with the rest of teh config  after, its kind of silly you cant just query with your account number an ip but theres this complicated whole cli thing 
2022-05-23 17:48:57	cedb	which is a mix of rust swift and typescript wtf
2022-05-23 18:21:34	cedb	h4rd3n3d_: no im gonna set up pass with gpg at some point but psswd mgmt is turtles all the way down for me
2022-05-23 18:21:48	cedb	im slowly getting better at managing stuff until i actually have sensitive info
2022-05-23 19:31:51	Dreamer3	is there a way to use a full screen terminal app as as screen saver?
2022-05-23 19:31:54	Dreamer3	like cmatrix?
2022-05-23 19:40:18	mingdao	Dreamer3: gnome-terminal --window --full-screen -x cmatrix
2022-05-23 19:45:23	MrElendig	Dreamer3: there is a xscreensaver version of cmatrix
2022-05-23 19:45:50	MrElendig	(which predates cmatrix by about a decade)
2022-05-23 20:01:30	bug2000	Something broke with my gmrun. It takes A LOT of time to load.
2022-05-23 20:05:44	novns	has anyone else got "uuidd.service: Failed to set up mount namespacing: /run/systemd/unit-root/var/lib/libuuid: No such file or directory"?
2022-05-23 20:06:58	susi	novns: is it a container?
2022-05-23 20:07:10	novns	no, a regular arch installation
2022-05-23 20:07:24	Edu4rdSHL	What's activating that service?
2022-05-23 20:10:56	novns	I'm not sure, wasn't enabled by me
2022-05-23 20:11:44	novns	it looks it was activated by uuidd.socket
2022-05-23 20:12:48	novns	and uuidd.socket isn't in any target.wants
2022-05-23 20:13:55	novns	anyway, it should start normally if anything activates it
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2022-05-23 20:20:22	Vorpal	novns: hm, the socket looks disabled by default too, so it shouldn't have been started by the socket?
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2022-05-23 20:21:11	Edu4rdSHL	novns, I'm debugging the issue, seems a problem with how systemd is handling the service.
2022-05-23 20:21:13	Vorpal	maybe if something that does start has a dependency on the service or socket?
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2022-05-23 20:22:56	novns	Vorpal, it doesn't affect anything, no other services failed to start
2022-05-23 20:23:15	Vorpal	I'm not saying that it should fail to start (obviously).
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2022-05-23 20:23:40	novns	well, if there's a dependency
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2022-05-23 20:25:05	Vorpal	systemctl list-dependencies might help
2022-05-23 20:25:28	novns	no mention there
2022-05-23 20:26:34	Vorpal	strange,  systemctl list-dependencies --reverse uuidd.socket does not list what I expect. Surely the service doesn't depend on the socket? Shouldn't it be the other way around?
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2022-05-23 20:27:36	Vorpal	I guess I don't understand how this works, it seems to be a thing in general (cups.service depends on cups.socket etc)
2022-05-23 20:27:58	novns	btw, socket starts after a gnome session is started, so it's something hideous there possibly
2022-05-23 20:28:36	Edu4rdSHL	Vorpal, the issue is that the service is not being handled properly as I said
2022-05-23 20:28:40	Vorpal	ah, but if the socket itself isn't started I thought the socket wouldn't be created so the non-existing socket couldn't activate the service
2022-05-23 20:28:49	Edu4rdSHL	https://paste.rs/yzV
2022-05-23 20:29:09	novns	Vorpal, it starts after a login into a gnome session, with gdm
2022-05-23 20:29:29	Vorpal	Edu4rdSHL: that looks like a failure from overly restrictive sandboxing to me at first glance
2022-05-23 20:29:37	Edu4rdSHL	Yes
2022-05-23 20:29:57	Edu4rdSHL	But if you look carefully: Failed to umount /run/systemd/unit-root/run/user/1000, ignoring: Device or resource busy
2022-05-23 20:30:14	Vorpal	novns: well, I'm out of ideas how that happens, unless gdm or something else running as root explictitly runs systemctl start (or the equivilent dbus call)
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2022-05-23 20:30:28	heat	doesnt systemd do that thing where it starts the service after the first connection to the socket?
2022-05-23 20:30:36	heat	I remember hearing something about that
2022-05-23 20:30:50	novns	Vorpal, it could possibly, so let's blame Gnome :)
2022-05-23 20:30:53	Vorpal	heat: yes but as far as I know that requires the socket to be enabled and started. Then that triggers the associated service starting lazily
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2022-05-23 20:31:07	Vorpal	novns: well I'm a KDE and Cinnamon user, so why not
2022-05-23 20:31:34	Vorpal	heat: and novns said "<novns> and uuidd.socket isn't in any target.wants"
2022-05-23 20:31:52	novns	anyway, it doesn't affect anything, no actual problems with this
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2022-05-23 20:32:23	Edu4rdSHL	It would be good to create a bug report on Arch
2022-05-23 20:32:25	Edu4rdSHL	:)
2022-05-23 20:32:54	Vorpal	Edu4rdSHL: Wouldn't hurt to check who added the sandboxing though, might be an upstream bug
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2022-05-24 13:44:40	thrice	why not suspend to ram?
2022-05-24 13:49:49	BrainDamage	suspend to tram
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2022-05-26 19:24:22	omen	Shapeshifter: https://imgur.com/bGcm06b.png
2022-05-26 19:25:03	Shapeshifter	omen: I remember using it a long time ago
2022-05-26 19:28:20	omen	dolphin fm has nice preview features. good for badly managed /b/ folder
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2022-05-26 19:30:40	Vorpal	omen: dolphin as in the KDE one? Doesn't that depend on the KDE file indexer though? I think I got a a warning about that not working when I turned off the indexer in the settings.
2022-05-26 19:31:35	Vorpal	that is the one issue I have been having with KDE since I switched somewhat recently: The file indexer is using a lot of CPU for a long time, even if I disable indexing file contents, and only index some smaller directories. I finally gave and just disabled it
2022-05-26 19:31:44	Vorpal	don't really use it anyway
2022-05-26 19:31:50	omen	yea that's the one
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2022-05-26 19:37:07	omen	how did you f*ck up?
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2022-05-26 19:41:52	susi	are you familiar with this: wireplumber[208262]: Failed to set scheduler settings: Operation not permitted
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2022-05-26 19:42:28	susi	or flood of these in dmesg: snd_hda_intel 0000:00:0e.0: Too many BDL entries: buffer=yyyyyy, period=xxxxxx
2022-05-26 19:42:42	ℹ 	sahal_ es conocido ahora como sahal
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2022-05-26 19:46:54	heat	hi
2022-05-26 19:47:06	heat	systemd-resolved is getting "Failed to send address reply: Transport endpoint is not connected" errors
2022-05-26 19:47:10	heat	no clue why
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2022-05-26 19:47:29	susi	shouldn't wireplumber install create /etc/wireplumber? it does not for me
2022-05-26 19:47:49	susi	it puts nothing in /etc if I check -Ql wireplumber
2022-05-26 19:47:51	heat	ping of certain addresses doesn't work for me because of this error (I assume it's because they're not cached? idk)
2022-05-26 19:47:59	another|	susi: why would it?
2022-05-26 19:48:06	◣	ayustae (Thunderbir@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/ayustae) ha salido (Client Quit)
2022-05-26 19:48:30	billy02812	heat: is your system's clock (date/time) off at all?
2022-05-26 19:48:40	heat	billy02812, no
2022-05-26 19:48:42	susi	another|: I don't know?
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2022-05-26 19:49:07	susi	another|: so I'm supposed to create mkdir -p /etc/wireplumber/bluetooth.lua.d manually before proceeding with instructions on arch wiki?
2022-05-26 19:50:11	another|	AFAIK pipewire and wireplumber run as user
2022-05-26 19:50:21	another|	so it should go in your user dir. probably
2022-05-26 19:50:25	susi	there's no .config/wireplumber either
2022-05-26 19:50:43	heat	billy02812, actually I can't even start firefox for some reason
2022-05-26 19:50:49	susi	but ok, I'll create it
2022-05-26 19:50:54	heat	did systemd-resolved break everything? probably
2022-05-26 19:50:55	another|	~/.local/state/wireplumber/
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2022-05-26 19:51:03	susi	another|: isn't that "why would it?" a bit fringe question
2022-05-26 19:51:06	heat	i have had the shittiest experiences with this
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2022-05-26 19:51:26	heat	the first time I tried it out sometimes it would break and hog a CPU core just cause
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2022-05-26 19:52:05	susi	another|: you could have just said it does not, or instead of asking 'why would it', tell me why it would not
2022-05-26 19:52:11	heat	ok right, firefox hangs waiting for the systemd-resolved socket
2022-05-26 19:52:12	billy02812	heat: googling outside the context of systemd-resolved is finding things about port unavailability, firewall issues, TLS issues.
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2022-05-26 19:52:51	heat	billy02812, right. but this is an internal UNIX socket
2022-05-26 19:52:53	another|	hm.. I think this is just for keeping wp state
2022-05-26 19:53:05	heat	systemd-resolve (the utility) works
2022-05-26 19:53:09	heat	ping and firefox don't
2022-05-26 19:53:38	another|	susi: Why would it create a dir if there are no files to put there? And it's not expected to put system-wide files there?
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2022-05-26 19:54:03	billy02812	heat: that's weird.  that's what i ran into the other day with unbound.  different error, but same symptom.  unbound-host (its lookup test) worked but ping and websites didn't work.
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2022-05-26 19:54:26	another|	since it's a user service
2022-05-26 19:54:26	billy02812	heat: for me, a reboot fixed it.  i assumed it was because my vm's clock was off substantially, but maybe it was just the reboot.
2022-05-26 19:54:36	heat	i tried it, a few minutes ago, didn't work
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2022-05-26 19:54:57	susi	another|: so you couldn't just say there are no files to put there, because it's not expected to put system-wide files there?
2022-05-26 19:55:30	susi	arch wiki anyway has references to /etc/wireplumber so I thought it would
2022-05-26 19:55:31	another|	I could've
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2022-05-26 19:56:28	another|	So create it
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2022-05-26 19:56:58	heat	i'm confused. why would the program be doing socket operations if resolv.conf is just a loopback address to the systemd resolver
2022-05-26 19:57:03	another|	there might be use cases for system-wide configs afterall
2022-05-26 19:57:28	susi	no, I created ~/.config/wireplumber, but that's besides the point
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2022-05-26 19:57:40	ℹ 	tam1m_ es conocido ahora como tam1m
2022-05-26 19:58:34	susi	wireplumber[208627]: Failed to set scheduler settings: Operation not permitted
2022-05-26 19:59:22	susi	hmm, might be that I need to tune rlimits
2022-05-26 19:59:22	mongy	try installing realtime-privileges and adding yourself to the realtime group
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2022-05-26 20:01:31	mongy	I've heard it recommended before, and I've done it myself but don't know if it matters.
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2022-05-26 20:02:03	ℹ 	Hash es conocido ahora como stoned
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2022-05-26 20:07:06	susi	mongy: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/wikis/Performance-tuning#rlimits
2022-05-26 20:07:07	phrik	Title: Performance tuning · Wiki · PipeWire / pipewire · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2022-05-26 20:07:49	susi	I added 95-pipewire.conf in /etc/security/limits.d/, groupadd'd pipewire group, usermod'd my user into that group, re-logged in, and now the error's gone
2022-05-26 20:08:04	susi	maybe there should or could be something about this in Arch Wiki, too
2022-05-26 20:08:18	susi	let's see if bt audio works right now
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2022-05-26 20:09:45	susi	no cracking anymore :)
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2022-05-26 20:10:48	heat	well my systemd-resolved experience has ended
2022-05-26 20:10:51	heat	broken, again.
2022-05-26 20:12:48	susi	I didn't need realtime rights with pulseaudio and everything was smooth, so I don't expect to need them with pipewire either
2022-05-26 20:13:01	susi	I'm no JACK tier hifi dude
2022-05-26 20:13:29	artefact	it depends on your ring buffer size, afaik pipewire does not dynamically adjust it like pulseaudio does, in case of xruns
2022-05-26 20:13:38	mongy	👍
2022-05-26 20:14:04	◣	xnovax (~xnovax@user/xnovax) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-05-26 20:14:07	artefact	but in my experience pipewire is very resource efficient, using less cpu than both pa/jack at similar bufsizes
2022-05-26 20:14:31	artefact	the convolver plugin is also excellent, blows out the toy i wrote as an alsa plugin with libfftw
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2022-05-26 20:15:35	◣	Throgkt (~Throgkt@user/throgkt) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2022-05-26 20:17:19	susi	there's a new error: wireplumber[..]:  error reading timerfd: Resource temporarily unavail>
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2022-05-27 12:23:50	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-05-27 12:23:50	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1417 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1416 normals)
2022-05-27 01:14:08	chargen	I would know.
2022-05-27 01:14:47	chargen	Sometimes when I'm sad, I look at Saturn to see my own shadow. Sometimes it's hard being Dutch and all
2022-05-27 01:15:04	Repentinus	Just be more pretty and you'll have Jupiter all over you.
2022-05-27 01:17:55	ramblebamble	Well be careful he might either horse around a lot or you get the horns from the bull you don't wanna be frolocking with 
2022-05-27 01:17:59	⚡ 	ramblebamble laughs
2022-05-27 01:21:25	chargen	is that Twain, my oxford says Koeterwaals but I'm sure it's a linguistic phun that only the people from the isolationist island comprehend 
2022-05-27 01:22:18	ramblebamble	no it is roman and greek mythologie
2022-05-27 01:22:44	chargen	okee
2022-05-27 01:23:07	ramblebamble	Zeus/Jupiter was known to be a dandy. He would regularly ravish women or spirit them away in the form of steeds and bulls, very much to the dismay of Hera.
2022-05-27 01:23:20	Repentinus	Not only women.
2022-05-27 01:23:31	ramblebamble	e.g. Europa, the namesake of Europe was spirited away by Zeus in the form of a bull
2022-05-27 01:23:43	ramblebamble	oh yeah right equal rights and back then they were more open :D 
2022-05-27 01:23:45	Repentinus	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganymede_(mythology)
2022-05-27 01:23:46	phrik	Title: Ganymede (mythology) - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2022-05-27 01:24:26	chargen	yes I know about Europa from the ESA mission. I made a joke about that about the atmosphere on twitter do you refer to that?
2022-05-27 01:26:30	MacGyver	There's a crude Uranus joke *just* out of reach.
2022-05-27 01:27:05	ramblebamble	Really, could you elaborate MaGyver
2022-05-27 01:27:10	⚡ 	ramblebamble fawns intentively
2022-05-27 01:27:19	CubeTheThird	I thought they renamed that planet to get rid of that stupid joke
2022-05-27 01:28:09	ramblebamble	I am pretty sure they named it so that we may have those jokes, scientiests are very humeruous and sick and twisted bunc :D
2022-05-27 01:28:24	chargen	I used JPL artist impression cluster once, that was for personal development, entertainment and educational purposes (to outguess the U Nations defense budget). I'm sure that JPL is here to show ne how 2 missions failed and have ne mad as a march hatter 
2022-05-27 01:29:55	MacBethwin	I made a song about the Saturn Death Cult. It is a story of a tale, from unausprechlichen kulten
2022-05-27 01:30:05	MacBethwin	its on yt
2022-05-27 01:30:35	MacBethwin	mythology
2022-05-27 01:41:16	MacBethwin	0x fee f1 f00   i never fail to impress that some are not allowed to provoke me , the instruction reads: sleep ;)
2022-05-27 01:44:59	MacGyver	brjl: 
2022-05-27 01:45:08	brjl	So... My audio stopped working suddenly
2022-05-27 01:45:18	brjl	And pulseaudio --kill returns that there are no processes...
2022-05-27 01:45:20	brjl	Hm...
2022-05-27 01:45:23	MacGyver	brjl: Have you checked the journal to see whether anything happened to pipewire / pulseaudio at that moment?
2022-05-27 01:45:38	Repentinus	Just start the sound server again.
2022-05-27 01:47:12	Namarrgon	are you even using pa? maybe you're using pipewire?
2022-05-27 01:47:28	brjl	Repentinus: pulseadio --start doesn'tdo anything and now youtube is giving me "audio renderer error" :þ
2022-05-27 01:47:36	brjl	Namarrgon: I'm using pulseaudio.
2022-05-27 01:48:40	Repentinus	What do you mean it doesn't do anything? What's the status code returned by `pulseaudio --start`? Does it return successfully or does it exit with a non-zero return value?
2022-05-27 01:50:14	brjl	Nope. Returns zero.
2022-05-27 01:50:20	MacGyver	(Why aren't you starting pulse using the systemd service?)
2022-05-27 01:53:35	Repentinus	!give brjl ix journalctl --user -b
2022-05-27 01:53:36	phrik	brjl: journalctl --user -b |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-05-27 01:55:20	brjl	So I restarted to see in the journal what is happening, and pulseaudio is actually returning something...
2022-05-27 01:56:15	Repentinus	!give brjl ix journalctl --user -b
2022-05-27 01:56:16	phrik	brjl: journalctl --user -b |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-05-27 01:56:46	brjl	 bind(): Address already in use
2022-05-27 01:56:50	brjl	But... How.
2022-05-27 01:58:38	brjl	Shutting pa down and restarting it gets back to taht "audio renderer stuff"
2022-05-27 01:59:25	brjl	Repentinus: http://ix.io/3YFA
2022-05-27 02:00:38	Repentinus	May 26 20:55:50 brejela-pc systemd[666]: Listening on PipeWire Multimedia System Socket.
2022-05-27 02:01:16	brjl	... I'm not using pipewire.
2022-05-27 02:01:30	Namarrgon	why are you running pa as root?
2022-05-27 02:01:33	brjl	I mean... I shouldn't.
2022-05-27 02:01:45	Namarrgon	(transmission-daemon is very chatty...)
2022-05-27 02:02:06	brjl	Namarrgon: No specific reason. And yeah I know.
2022-05-27 02:02:16	Namarrgon	don't do that, it will only break more
2022-05-27 02:02:29	Namarrgon	as MacGyver said, use the --user service
2022-05-27 02:03:30	brjl	Where's that.
2022-05-27 02:03:34	Repentinus	May 26 20:56:47 brejela-pc pulseaudio[1029]: Failed to open cookie file '/home/kamal/.config/pulse/cookie': No such file or directory
2022-05-27 02:03:35	brjl	s/./?
2022-05-27 02:04:10	Namarrgon	systemctl --user (re)start pulseaudio.service
2022-05-27 02:04:44	Repentinus	systemctl start/enable --user pulseaudio.service
2022-05-27 02:04:59	Repentinus	You may also opt for socket activation.
2022-05-27 02:06:13	Repentinus	systemctl --user enable pulseaudio.socket if you prefer that. Don't enable both the socket and service at once though.
2022-05-27 02:07:19	brjl	Well, restarting pulseaudio.service made so videos play, but still now audio
2022-05-27 02:07:23	brjl	s/now/no
2022-05-27 02:08:15	Repentinus	I doubt it works if you have another instance of pulseaudio running as root. Did you stop that?
2022-05-27 02:11:28	brjl	... Aand my system locked up completely
2022-05-27 02:11:42	Repentinus	How did you achieve that?
2022-05-27 02:12:10	brjl	I... Don't know? I was just restarting the service.
2022-05-27 02:12:40	Repentinus	Stop the systemwide instance before starting the user one.
2022-05-27 02:13:37	brjl	I did that.
2022-05-27 02:13:43	brjl	And now I've done it again.
2022-05-27 02:13:54	brjl	Made sure the process wasn't running before starting it.
2022-05-27 02:15:37	Repentinus	What's the output of `journalctl --user-unit pulseaudio.service`?
2022-05-27 02:17:49	brjl	Nothing alarming since the last boot
2022-05-27 02:18:00	Repentinus	Do you have audio working?
2022-05-27 02:18:04	brjl	Nope.
2022-05-27 02:19:35	brjl	The process is running fine.
2022-05-27 02:20:11	brjl	But no audio...
2022-05-27 02:20:18	Repentinus	No error messages in the journal?
2022-05-27 02:21:28	brjl	Nope, lest the ones about cookie files and the default.pa.d
2022-05-27 02:21:57	Repentinus	What do you have in ~/.config/pulse?
2022-05-27 02:23:03	brjl	Some card .tdbs, default-sink, default-volume...
2022-05-27 02:23:58	brjl	http://ix.io/3YFM
2022-05-27 02:24:52	brjl	... Hm...
2022-05-27 02:25:06	brjl	Wait, I'll restart, I think I might've found (and fixed) the issue.
2022-05-27 02:26:56	susi	you dont need to reboot
2022-05-27 02:27:36	susi	people surely are eager to reboot :>
2022-05-27 02:28:00	brjl	Yeah... And it worked :þ
2022-05-27 02:28:14	Repentinus	[00:26:56] <susi> you dont need to reboot
2022-05-27 02:28:22	Repentinus	And now tell us what the issue was and how you fixed it.
2022-05-27 02:28:30	brjl	Apparently enabling the user service and resetting the default card did it.
2022-05-27 02:28:50	susi	you can enable --now and it starts it after enabling, or just enable and then start
2022-05-27 02:29:27	brjl	susi: I know that. I wanted to see if it wasn't something I've done that was non-permnanent
2022-05-27 02:29:38	brjl	... spelling.
2022-05-27 02:30:10	omen	so who has the longest uptime here?
2022-05-27 02:30:15	omen	and how long is that
2022-05-27 02:30:18	brjl	So... User service and mess around with the default pulseaudio card I guess...
2022-05-27 02:30:27	Repentinus	Personally I also find socket activation for more convenient. Sometimes pulseaudio crashes and when you start a new audio stream (e.g., refresh the page in Firefox or something), it restarts the server for you.
2022-05-27 02:30:34	Repentinus	s/for more/far more/
2022-05-27 02:30:37	susi	omen:  03:32:15 up 300 days,  3:42,  1 user,  load average: 0.26, 0.25, 0.19
2022-05-27 02:30:48	omen	not bad
2022-05-27 02:30:49	susi	hmm, those load averages are getting out of hand, what's happenin...
2022-05-27 02:31:11	brjl	Repentinus: Yeah. Thanks <3
2022-05-27 02:31:30	brjl	I'm headed out, thank you c:
2022-05-27 02:31:34	brjl	 !next
2022-05-27 02:31:39	brjl	!next
2022-05-27 02:31:40	Repentinus	Alright. See ye around.
2022-05-27 02:31:40	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-05-27 02:37:26	susi	wish we never saw they again, that means everything's going smoothly without issues for they
2022-05-27 02:39:12	Repentinus	They're a regular.
2022-05-27 02:41:53	MacGyver	Can you "give" a quote as you can !give a factoid?
2022-05-27 02:42:14	Repentinus	No clue.
2022-05-27 02:42:26	MacGyver	Let's try.
2022-05-27 02:42:35	MacGyver	!give omen qsay 44534
2022-05-27 02:42:36	phrik	omen: <BrainDamage> repeat after me, uptime is not a measurement of my dick's lenght but the time i went without security updates
2022-05-27 02:42:41	MacGyver	\o/
2022-05-27 02:42:45	omen	uptime is not a measurement of my dick's lenght but the time i went without security updates
2022-05-27 02:43:55	Repentinus	Oh, yeah, ix is not a factoid any more either iirc. I worked with our dear bot master some time ago to get it working with parameters as there were some not too bright users who had trouble understanding the previous factoid/current default:
2022-05-27 02:43:57	Repentinus	!ix
2022-05-27 02:43:58	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-05-27 02:44:52	MacGyver	Repentinus: Wait so how does it work now then?
2022-05-27 02:45:50	MacGyver	!ix command goes here perhaps?
2022-05-27 02:45:51	phrik	command goes here perhaps? |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-05-27 02:46:02	Repentinus	Yeah.
2022-05-27 02:46:07	MacGyver	Nice.
2022-05-27 02:46:19	Repentinus	[23:53:35] <Repentinus> !give brjl ix journalctl --user -b
2022-05-27 02:46:19	Repentinus	[23:53:36] <phrik> brjl: journalctl --user -b |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-05-27 02:47:34	MacGyver	Right, didn't process that consciously it seems.
2022-05-27 02:48:01	susi	there was a !something that outputted the 'formatting' of the command, I have been looking for the command but have forgot about it
2022-05-27 02:50:12	omen	i like how arch-audit (compares packages to CVE) says "linux is affected by multiple issues, insufficient validation, unknown, privilege escalation. High risk!" when i run it
2022-05-27 02:50:34	susi	because I've wanted to check if !bufferfail/!tabfail always outputs just constant 0
2022-05-27 02:54:13	Repentinus	ix is something akin to «echo [re s/^$/<command to print output>/ test] "&| curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io"». That's the last test I can find in my log with phrik; for the final version I'd have to search the offtopic log and that's way more work.
2022-05-27 02:55:22	susi	do you remember the !command for those?
2022-05-27 02:55:37	Repentinus	!aka show tabfail
2022-05-27 02:55:37	phrik	Repentinus: Error: This Aka does not exist.
2022-05-27 02:55:49	Repentinus	!akalist
2022-05-27 02:55:50	phrik	Repentinus: No idea
2022-05-27 02:55:52	Repentinus	!aka list
2022-05-27 02:55:53	phrik	Repentinus: <3: "rword ❦ ❧ ☙ ❥ ❣ ♡ ♥ ❤ ➳ ღ 💌 🏩 💓 💔 💕 💖 💗 💘 💙 💚 💛 💜 🖤 💝 💞 💟 💑", a: "google site:amazon.com $*", achieve: "echo Achievement Unlocked: $*", act: "echo [action] $*", acve: "web title [concat https://security.archlinux.org/ $1] | format replace $1 Package  | echo https://security.archlinux.org/$1", age: "echo
2022-05-27 02:55:53	phrik	[rword 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9  (43 more messages)
2022-05-27 02:56:25	Repentinus	!aka search fail
2022-05-27 02:56:26	phrik	Repentinus: isfail
2022-05-27 02:56:58	Repentinus	!aka show isfail
2022-05-27 02:56:59	phrik	Repentinus: echo $* is Complete Fail
2022-05-27 02:59:04	Repentinus	!literal tabfail
2022-05-27 02:59:04	phrik	Repentinus: <reply> 0  days since the last tab failure. Completion safety is our union goal!
2022-05-27 02:59:13	Repentinus	!literal bufferfail
2022-05-27 02:59:13	phrik	Repentinus: <reply> 0  DAYS SINCE THE LAST BUFFER FAILURE: Recipient safety is our union goal!
2022-05-27 02:59:26	Repentinus	So those are just hardcoded factoids.
2022-05-27 02:59:53	Repentinus	You cannot create akas without permissions, which is why I had to enlist the help of our esteemed bot master.
2022-05-27 03:00:13	SponiX	So phrik is powered by OpenBSD?
2022-05-27 03:00:55	Repentinus	I doubt it's running on OpenBSD, but who knows. It's an instance of Limnoria.
2022-05-27 03:01:05	omen	openBSD has the best artwork of any OS btw.
2022-05-27 03:01:26	MacGyver	Then you clearly haven't been exposed to TempleOS.
2022-05-27 03:01:27	omen	i bet everyone here is familiar with it, but: https://www.openbsd.org/artwork.html
2022-05-27 03:01:28	phrik	Title: OpenBSD: Artwork (at www.openbsd.org)
2022-05-27 03:01:32	omen	x)
2022-05-27 03:01:46	MacGyver	I mean a pufferfish is nice and all, but...
2022-05-27 03:01:50	Repentinus	https://linuxreviews.org/Hannah_Montana_Linux
2022-05-27 03:01:51	phrik	Title: Hannah Montana Linux - LinuxReviews (at linuxreviews.org)
2022-05-27 03:01:59	omen	i have some non-PC templeos "artwork" saved
2022-05-27 03:06:18	susi	I agree on MacGyver , TempleOS is awesome
2022-05-27 03:07:34	omen	i seriously think it's beautiful story
2022-05-27 03:07:40	omen	rip
2022-05-27 03:09:35	susi	here's Terry's last video: https://ia800600.us.archive.org/31/items/TerryADavis_TempleOS_Archive/videos/2018/2018-08-11T18%3A11%3A35%2B00%3A00%20-%20Terry%20Davis%20-%2020180811%20Rise%20to%20Throne%20%28oH41gGBVpkE%29.webm
2022-05-27 03:09:46	susi	died a couple of hours after filming that
2022-05-27 03:10:00	POLO	Damn
2022-05-27 03:10:01	susi	TRIP, King Terry
2022-05-27 03:18:34	Repentinus	Wtf YouTube has somehow started playing agnus dei.
2022-05-27 03:33:01	Gnea	I'm having a rough time with nfsd. Everything worked just fine, then an upgrade and reboot happened, and now it won't work right. Configs haven't changed: exportfs[26734]: exportfs: Failed to stat /mnt/nfs/mnt/nfs/data: No such file or directory
2022-05-27 03:33:42	Gnea	it's only supposed to be exporting /mnt/nfs/data, I don't understand why it's appending /mnt/nfs/data to /mnt/nfs
2022-05-27 03:34:11	omen	maybe the location is relative when it's supposed to be absolute
2022-05-27 03:34:27	Gnea	they all have leading /
2022-05-27 03:36:09	Gnea	so since they're absolute paths, I don't see how they could be relative
2022-05-27 03:36:52	omen	yeah that was too obvious to work
2022-05-27 03:38:03	omen	i'm just the noob on duty, but these nice folks will surely help
2022-05-27 03:39:24	Gnea	it's all good, I appreciate the attempt
2022-05-27 04:08:49	danielrparks	I can do `valgrind true`, and it works normally, but if I try to do `sudo valgrind true`, valgrind produces an error saying that it can't find the strlen symbol in ld.so . Can anyone else reproduce this?
2022-05-27 04:09:19	danielrparks	(and/or do you know why it's happening?)
2022-05-27 04:17:22	Repentinus	I suspect valgrind probably overloads some shared libraries. suid binaries are not allowed to do that.
2022-05-27 04:18:52	danielrparks	this is true, but I'm running `sudo valgrind true` not `valgrind sudo true`, i.e. valgrind is running as root, so I would think it would still work
2022-05-27 04:20:42	danielrparks	hmm. `sudo -i valgrind true` works so it's something to do with the environment
2022-05-27 04:20:58	Repentinus	Try `sudo -E valgrind`?
2022-05-27 04:21:23	danielrparks	yep, also works
2022-05-27 04:22:52	danielrparks	`sudo -E DEBUGINFOD_URLS= valgrind true` fails
2022-05-27 04:23:14	danielrparks	so apparently it's depending on retrieving the debug symbols for ld because it's stripped
2022-05-27 04:26:29	danielrparks	aha, they just recently started stripping glibc because of debuginfod https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=276422
2022-05-27 04:26:29	phrik	Title: Valgrind problem after glibc update / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-05-27 04:26:40	danielrparks	that all makes sense now
2022-05-27 05:01:42	lord_daemon	there are some distributions for maintenance: DLC, Trinity, REDO, System Rescue.I had one that starts with the letter S, but I deleted it and I can't find it anymore. can anyone help?
2022-05-27 05:28:50	shadowless	lord_daemon: you can do maintenance with an arch install usb as well
2022-05-27 05:34:44	shadowless	I rescued a neighbor's windows laptop using an arch usb the other week. It had a boot sector virus on it... wouldn't let you do anything, couldn't even boot from the cdrom drive. I just mounted the hdd, backed up his documents, and wiped the machine
2022-05-27 05:35:08	shadowless	Its too bad that I had to put windows back on the machine when I was done but oh well, at least the neighbor was happy
2022-05-27 05:38:48	Edu4rdSHL	If it pays it pays
2022-05-27 05:38:50	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-05-27 08:22:44	spaceseller	r> ok, i solved everything in xmonad as I wished, except one wierd thing about keyboard. Namely, I put 'setxkbmap hr' in .bashrc file. I got wished keyboard layout but after I open terminal. Till then I have 'ch'. With xfce I don't have the problem. So, where to put it and have the correct layout for any window manager?
2022-05-27 09:20:46	dnikms	Hi, my system does not update cache icons when installing/uninstalling stuff... I am on KDE... In the launcher meny the old binary is saved after removing the package ...
2022-05-27 09:23:13	rcf	How did you install/uninstall it? 
2022-05-27 09:25:30	rcf	Is the .desktop file left behind, or is this KDE quite literally refusing to notice file system changes?
2022-05-27 09:28:27	dnikms	It happends for almost every package, I remove it with pacman -Rns fireox (.desktop is still in Menu) and I am getting Launching failed, I also removed brave-bin with yay -Rns brave-bin same thing ... 
2022-05-27 09:28:53	dnikms	I am guessing that KDE is literally refusing to update the icons 
2022-05-27 09:29:27	dnikms	I opened a bug on KDE and they told me that I contact the package mainter, which is impossible because it happends for every package. I am guessing its KDE problem here.
2022-05-27 09:31:26	dnikms	I tried on my laptop which have same kernel version and KDE version, and it works as it should, removes the icons from Menu... 
2022-05-27 09:35:55	Vorpal	Hm, I'm running KDE too. Can give it a try to see if it is a general issue
2022-05-27 09:36:42	Vorpal	uninstalled a program (pcmanfm-qt), it is gone from the KDE menu immediately for me
2022-05-27 09:37:33	Vorpal	dnikms: so perhaps it is something else
2022-05-27 09:38:15	dnikms	Vorpal, As I said, I tried also on my laptop KDE same versions, it deletes so It's my system then, its quite frustrating :/
2022-05-27 09:38:23	Vorpal	as a test, I would log in as a newly created user and see if it happens there too.
2022-05-27 09:38:41	Vorpal	if it doesn't then it is something in your user configuration
2022-05-27 09:38:49	Vorpal	if it does, then it is something in the system configuration
2022-05-27 09:40:06	Vorpal	dnikms: that at least helps narrow down the area of interest. After that I would start comparing configuration files (KDE mostly uses ini style files) between the two users. Or installed packages between the two systems (if it is a system thing)
2022-05-27 09:40:14	Vorpal	maybe there is a missing optional dependency somewhere?
2022-05-27 09:40:30	dnikms	Yeah I will try and report back 
2022-05-27 09:41:02	Vorpal	dnikms: if it is a system thing it might also be worth comparing /etc between the two systems
2022-05-27 09:41:50	Vorpal	also I don't know what the mechanism is that KDE uses. Maybe check if the inotify sysctl is set high enough?
2022-05-27 09:42:14	Vorpal	fs.inotify.max_user_instances and fs.inotify.max_user_instances
2022-05-27 09:43:52	dnikms	I have fs.inotify.max_user_instances to 1024 and inotify.max_user_watches = 524288
2022-05-27 09:44:32	Vorpal	same as me, and arch defaults. So not that (unless some other program is hogging them all)
2022-05-27 09:45:37	dnikms	Made few changes so I will reboot and retest, if not I will try from new user and report back 
2022-05-27 09:45:45	Vorpal	good luck
2022-05-27 09:53:13	spaceseller	Any help for setxkbmap? 
2022-05-27 09:53:36	spaceseller	or localectl location?
2022-05-27 09:53:38	dnikms	Vorpal, new user works at it should, deletes and updates icons 
2022-05-27 09:57:20	mingdao	spaceseller: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg/Keyboard_configuration#Using_setxkbmap
2022-05-27 09:57:21	phrik	Title: Xorg/Keyboard configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-27 10:03:36	Vorpal	dnikms: well then, time to compare .config in a diff program
2022-05-27 10:03:40	Vorpal	possibly .local too
2022-05-27 10:04:44	Vorpal	I mean, it could be elsewhere, but those two seem most likely to me
2022-05-27 10:11:52	docmax	how can i modify a pkgbuild to user older CC compiler?
2022-05-27 10:15:18	Vorpal	docmax: you would need to depend on the older compiler package to begin with, e.g. gcc11 instead of just gcc.
2022-05-27 10:15:23	bookworm	Why do you want to use an old compiler? But in any case, depend on an old c compiler package (probably in the AUR or write your own) then modify the build instructions accordingly if your cc package doesn't replace the original (bad idea)
2022-05-27 10:15:57	Vorpal	then I presume you would need to override the CC/CXX environment variables. Usually it is better to patch the software and report a bug to upstream though
2022-05-27 10:19:49	D0peX	hey can someone explain me how i can clear the dns cache. when i'm using 'getent hostst xxx' i do get the correct response. but when pinging said host, it is using an old -seemingly- cached entry. To my knowledge i dont have a local resolver running like dnsmasq/systemd-resolved etc
2022-05-27 10:20:29	sheep	D0peX: killall nscd
2022-05-27 10:20:57	sheep	some applications might have their own cache that has its own way to clear it
2022-05-27 10:21:19	dnikms	Vorpal, any idea which files I should compare? 
2022-05-27 10:21:49	artefact	i doubt ping has, sheep?
2022-05-27 10:22:23	Vorpal	dnikms: unfortunately kde spreads out it's files. I would start with .config and look at any *rc files (e.g kwinrc) Also anything named "kde" or "KDE" like kdedefaults directory
2022-05-27 10:22:44	sheep	I think ping uses NSS for name resolution, so it may use nscd for caching
2022-05-27 10:22:49	Vorpal	dnikms: (I track my config files in git, and kde is quite a pain to deal with, that is why I happen to know this)
2022-05-27 10:23:55	Vorpal	dnikms: one thing you could try is clearing out .cache as well. Maybe there is a broken cache file that is bugging KDE?
2022-05-27 10:24:17	Vorpal	in theory it should be perfectly fine just deleting everything in .cache and logging out and back in
2022-05-27 10:24:33	Vorpal	however aurutils might be a bit broken by that
2022-05-27 10:24:55	Vorpal	so if you use a aur helper that keeps state in .cache/ don't remove that
2022-05-27 10:25:03	Vorpal	hm, I should probably report that as a bug
2022-05-27 10:25:51	D0peX	sheep, no dice
2022-05-27 10:26:09	sheep	what do you have on the hosts line of /etc/nsswitch.conf ?
2022-05-27 10:26:37	dnikms	You are saying that If delete .cache in my current faulty user it can work OK after logging out ?
2022-05-27 10:26:47	D0peX	the lookups are working just fine. seems like as soon i do TCP to that host, it is doing something else. but i think i'm on to something. Might be my 'searchdomain'
2022-05-27 10:27:11	sheep	what are you using to test the TCP connection?
2022-05-27 10:27:12	D0peX	see, i have an 'int.real.tld' and now i'm doing a lookup against my 'real.tld' 
2022-05-27 10:27:32	sheep	maybe the searchdomain is it
2022-05-27 10:27:45	D0peX	but that is still strange, since i'm using fqnd to connect 
2022-05-27 10:29:37	D0peX	ok, it was the searchdomain
2022-05-27 10:29:42	D0peX	ty
2022-05-27 10:57:30	docmax	Vorpal, i figured it out... just a "CC=gcc-11 yay ..." did it
2022-05-27 10:59:20	Vorpal	docmax: ah. I thought you want to write a PKGBUILD so that it always used an older GCC
2022-05-27 10:59:48	Vorpal	docmax: anyway a bug should be reported for either the PKGBUILD in the comments on AUR or upstream to the project if that is broken in the current version there too
2022-05-27 12:23:51	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-05-27 12:43:23	docmax	Vorpal, yes that is also a question: How can i tell PKGBUILD to use gcc-11?
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2022-05-27 15:50:55	susi	then add [Service] \n ExecStart= \n ExecStart=@bindir@/gnome-keyring-daemon --foreground --components="pkcs11,secrets,ssh" --control-directory=%t/keyring
2022-05-27 15:51:23	susi	not literal \n, but press Return ("Enter") in their place
2022-05-27 16:13:08	af	error: libinih: key "95220BE99CE6FF778AE0DC670F65C7D881506130" is unknown
2022-05-27 16:13:10	af	:: Import PGP key 95220BE99CE6FF778AE0DC670F65C7D881506130? [Y/n]
2022-05-27 16:13:23	af	Hey, just got that on -Syu
2022-05-27 16:13:55	af	Is it safe to accept? Also, whose key is this? (email/name not printed)
2022-05-27 16:15:01	mpan	af: no need for that. When was the last time you updated your system BEFORE that?
2022-05-27 16:15:32	af	It's been at least over a month and a half, I'm afraid
2022-05-27 16:15:35	mpan	af: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Syu
2022-05-27 16:15:56	af	Thanks, trying
2022-05-27 16:16:42	mpan	If that fixes the issue, remember to update the system regularly.
2022-05-27 16:17:02	af	yeah the integrity check succeeded now, thanks
2022-05-27 16:17:25	af	noted
2022-05-27 16:26:38	diep	susi when I try to edit the unit file, with your setting, and I try to reload the service it fails: "gnome-keyring-daemon.service: Service has more than one ExecStart= setting, which is only allowed for Type=oneshot services. Refusing."
2022-05-27 16:27:16	diep	maybe I can just disable the service, I use the old way to launch it?
2022-05-27 16:27:27	diep	and useù
2022-05-27 16:27:32	diep	and use*
2022-05-27 16:27:42	thurstylark	diep: can you paste the output of `systemctl cat gnome-keyring-daemon.service`?
2022-05-27 16:29:04	lmat	sorry, power flickered so I was disconnected. I tried to take a screen shot of shutter, but it broke... anyway, I'm looking at the preferences screen and it has two entries in the "upload" section, but I don't see a way to add another entry.
2022-05-27 16:29:55	diep	thurstylark here it is
2022-05-27 16:30:03	diep	https://pastebin.com/Adhnvm7J
2022-05-27 16:30:04	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oBHR.txt
2022-05-27 16:30:04	phrik	Title: • ~ systemctl --user daemon-reload• ~ systemctl --user cat gnome-keyring-dae - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-05-27 16:30:52	susi	diep: you weren't supposed to add all that stuff to the override, I told what to add
2022-05-27 16:31:05	diep	ok I see
2022-05-27 16:31:41	polo	What
2022-05-27 16:32:02	susi	it's additive, so just add that [Install]\nExecStart=\nExecStart=..., try if it works then
2022-05-27 16:32:41	susi	it's important to have that "ExecStart=" line too
2022-05-27 16:32:56	thurstylark	reference for that: https://man.archlinux.org/man/systemd.service.5#COMMAND_LINES
2022-05-27 16:32:57	phrik	Title: systemd.service(5) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2022-05-27 16:33:57	lmat	Here is the settings screen: https://imgur.com/C2KGXoz.png I don't see how to add an Imgur option. I tried right-clicking all around the existing three items on the list hoping for a context menu, but no joy. I would even be happy to change one of the existing options (they don't work) to Imgur, but I don't see how to do that either.
2022-05-27 16:34:12	diep	now https://pastebin.com/U9P1ytiM
2022-05-27 16:34:13	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oBH7.txt
2022-05-27 16:34:13	phrik	Title: • ~ systemctl --user cat gnome-keyring-daemon# Warning: gnome-keyring-daemon - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-05-27 16:34:30	susi	diep: okay, try it now, same error?
2022-05-27 16:34:38	diep	yes
2022-05-27 16:36:22	diep	in fact now the error is different
2022-05-27 16:36:22	susi	hmm, dunno about changing Type, maybe try setting ExecStartPre=@bindir@/gnome..., and ExecStart=
2022-05-27 16:36:29	susi	what's the new error, then?
2022-05-27 16:36:41	diep	"/home/pierre/.config/systemd/user/gnome-keyring-daemon.service.d/override.conf:3: Neither a valid executable name nor an absolute path: bindir@/gnome-keyring-daemon gnome-keyring-daemon.service: Service has no ExecStart=, ExecStop=, or SuccessAction=. Refusing."
2022-05-27 16:36:55	susi	did you type @bindir@ or bindir@?
2022-05-27 16:37:23	diep	@bindir@
2022-05-27 16:37:29	diep	as you suggested
2022-05-27 16:37:47	susi	hmm, maybe just set /usr/bin/gnome... then
2022-05-27 16:38:28	diep	now it smees to be okay
2022-05-27 16:38:52	diep	bytheway what the line "ExecStrart=" stands for exactly ?
2022-05-27 16:39:08	thurstylark	susi: Where did you get that @notation@? I thought systemd.exec wants absolute paths except for a few prefixes...
2022-05-27 16:39:09	susi	it clears the ExecStart path, because iirc it's additive
2022-05-27 16:39:25	susi	thurstylark: from gnome-keyring-daemon.service file itself
2022-05-27 16:39:39	thurstylark	is that pre-build?
2022-05-27 16:39:56	thurstylark	because that's probably a substitution that happens at build-time
2022-05-27 16:40:16	susi	ah, true
2022-05-27 16:40:24	susi	daft me
2022-05-27 16:41:05	susi	diep: so is everything's fixed now?
2022-05-27 16:41:08	diep	no
2022-05-27 16:41:19	diep	ssh-add -L still fail
2022-05-27 16:41:27	diep	Error connecting to agent: Connection refused
2022-05-27 16:41:39	susi	systemctl --user status gnome-keyring-daemon
2022-05-27 16:41:53	susi	did you run systemctl --user restart?
2022-05-27 16:42:08	susi	after making those edits
2022-05-27 16:42:14	diep	yes
2022-05-27 16:42:26	susi	okay, anything in the status?
2022-05-27 16:43:02	diep	nope, apart all is okay
2022-05-27 16:43:04	diep	runing green
2022-05-27 16:43:17	diep	active enabled blablabla
2022-05-27 16:43:28	thurstylark	If those edits were made without `systemctl edit`, you'll also need to do daemon-reload to get those changes into the running systemd instance
2022-05-27 16:43:37	diep	GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/run/user/1000/keyring SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/run/user/1000/keyring/ssh ...:x
2022-05-27 16:43:38	diep	 
2022-05-27 16:43:46	thurstylark	unless you already did that, and I just missed you saying as much :P
2022-05-27 16:44:07	diep	in status output I can see "--components=pkcs11,secrets,ssh"
2022-05-27 16:44:15	diep	so I guess the changes are applied
2022-05-27 16:44:17	BrainDamage	check if the files exist
2022-05-27 16:44:28	lmat	I just installed arch linux on a new laptop. I can't hear any sound. pavucontrol shows the following: https://imgur.com/d7KSOVk.png I guess that's the HDMI, but I can see speakers on the laptop. How do I enable the speakers?
2022-05-27 16:44:53	BrainDamage	also, you need the same variables in your current shell
2022-05-27 16:45:00	BrainDamage	otherwise, ssh can't magically know
2022-05-27 16:45:04	susi	thurstylark: they used edit
2022-05-27 16:45:08	BrainDamage	so echo $SSH_AUTH_SOCK
2022-05-27 16:45:19	thurstylark	neato
2022-05-27 16:45:29	⚡ 	thurstylark <3's systemctl edit
2022-05-27 16:46:30	diep	okay that was the problem
2022-05-27 16:47:03	diep	now all is back to normal
2022-05-27 16:47:07	diep	seems to
2022-05-27 16:47:14	susi	lmat: pactl list short sinks
2022-05-27 16:47:21	lmat	alsamixer shows https://imgur.com/PLbzmNX.png
2022-05-27 16:47:26	susi	diep: what was the problem?
2022-05-27 16:47:35	susi	I told you multiple times about setting/exporting SSH_AUTH_SOCK
2022-05-27 16:47:40	diep	gnome-keyring seems to handle ssh key as well correctly
2022-05-27 16:47:53	lmat	susi: https://paste.rs/7qO
2022-05-27 16:48:01	diep	yes but the tail part /ssh was missing
2022-05-27 16:48:08	susi	lmat: probably the driver module isn't loaded
2022-05-27 16:48:08	diep	in my shell
2022-05-27 16:48:26	lmat	susi: Okay, I'll look into that!
2022-05-27 16:49:16	susi	diep: but nice, only 2 hours and we got it working :-)
2022-05-27 16:49:36	diep	ok thanks guys, love archlinux so much for this kind of problem that popups time to time after a basic system update
2022-05-27 16:49:50	diep	the price to pay I guess
2022-05-27 16:49:54	susi	these issues are an opportunity to learn :)
2022-05-27 16:50:24	diep	maybe the wiki need to be updated as well acording to this recent change in gnome-keyring
2022-05-27 16:50:42	diep	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNOME/Keyring
2022-05-27 16:50:43	phrik	Title: GNOME/Keyring - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-27 16:51:11	diep	there is no mention about this new service file
2022-05-27 16:53:57	susi	diep: hey, remember to set the SSH_AUTH_SOCK in your .bash_login or similar, so it will work the next time you login 
2022-05-27 16:54:18	susi	diep: and you added that eval $(..) part in your configs, remove it, it's not needed. just need to set the SSH_AUTH_SOCK to /run/user/1000/keyring/ssh
2022-05-27 16:54:19	diep	yes already did in my config.fish
2022-05-27 16:55:33	susi	or hmm..
2022-05-27 16:55:34	susi	diep: do you have gnome_keyring_daemon.so's in your PAM configs?
2022-05-27 16:55:47	susi	pam_gnome_keyring.so's *
2022-05-27 16:56:03	diep	hmm let me check
2022-05-27 16:57:08	susi	grep pam_gnome /etc/pam.d/*
2022-05-27 16:58:04	diep	yes there is occurences in /etc/pam.d/lightdm[-autologin]
2022-05-27 16:58:33	diep	like "-auth       optional    pam_gnome_keyring.so"
2022-05-27 16:58:35	susi	with auto_start, the one in autologin?
2022-05-27 16:58:41	diep	:q
2022-05-27 16:59:02	susi	session optional pam_gnome_keyring.so auto_start
2022-05-27 16:59:04	diep	yes
2022-05-27 16:59:18	diep	"-session    optional    pam_gnome_keyring.so auto_start"
2022-05-27 16:59:29	susi	diep: okay, then I guess you need that eval $(...) thiengie 
2022-05-27 17:00:34	diep	😢   
2022-05-27 17:00:59	susi	not sure though, someone who knows could tell if there's some overlapping with PAM autostart and the --user service running --foreground
2022-05-27 17:01:09	diep	but if I add that eval $(...) it will conflict again with the new service
2022-05-27 17:01:12	diep	right ?
2022-05-27 17:01:26	susi	does the --foreground complete the initialization or is --start required
2022-05-27 17:01:50	susi	diep: I don't know, that's what I'm asking from the more-knowing gurus :)
2022-05-27 17:02:58	susi	hmm, I guess you don't need that eval $(..) after all
2022-05-27 17:03:04	susi	pretty sure you don't
2022-05-27 17:03:52	susi	that user service probably does all the needed initialization after PAM start, only need to set that SSH_AUTH_SOCK
2022-05-27 17:04:25	diep	I'll trust you on that
2022-05-27 17:04:46	susi	don't trust me on this, I just made it pretty clear I'm not sure, but it just feels right and logical this way :)
2022-05-27 17:05:19	diep	yes plus its working right now so lets suppose it's the case
2022-05-27 17:07:18	diep	but maybe I could have disabled the service, and continue to use the classical eval $(gnome-keyring blabla)?
2022-05-27 17:10:10	domino14	hi all. I have a webcam that came advertised as a 1080p webcam (it is one of those cheap boxes with no brand name on it that my wife got as a gift, but it said 1080p)
2022-05-27 17:10:32	lmat	susi: How do I figure out what driver I need? lspci says  Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation Tiger Lake-H HD Audio Controller (rev 11)
2022-05-27 17:10:37	domino14	This is what a picture looks like in cheese. https://0x0.st/oBXH.jpg i was wondering if anyone knew a way to make it better. maybe there's some driver i can install, but i don't even know how to find out hte chipset of this thing
2022-05-27 17:11:07	susi	lmat: lspci -k
2022-05-27 17:11:14	Edu4rdSHL	lspci -nnk
2022-05-27 17:11:16	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-05-27 17:11:24	lmat	https://paste.rs/PCz
2022-05-27 17:12:00	susi	lmat: I don't know anything about that sof stuff
2022-05-27 17:12:11	lmat	susi: Okay.
2022-05-27 17:13:19	susi	lmat: what do you need it for?
2022-05-27 17:14:43	lmat	susi: So I can hear my funny cat videos on the internet
2022-05-27 17:14:52	susi	your sink is set to auto_null, which I guess it shouldn't be
2022-05-27 17:15:01	Edu4rdSHL	lmat, lspci -nnk please :)
2022-05-27 17:15:33	Edu4rdSHL	The PCI ID (which is the relevant part) is not there in the paste
2022-05-27 17:15:42	lmat	Edu4rdSHL: https://paste.rs/YAg
2022-05-27 17:15:56	lmat	Edu4rdSHL: Ah, thank you for the pointer!
2022-05-27 17:17:05	Edu4rdSHL	lmat, is sof-firmware installed ?
2022-05-27 17:18:09	susi	if you don't do any special audio processing stuff, I guess just the bare snd_hda_intel driver for 8086:xxxx onboard device would suffice
2022-05-27 17:18:32	susi	"..for developers who are interested in audio
2022-05-27 17:18:34	susi	or signal processing on modern DSPs. "
2022-05-27 17:18:36	lmat	Edu4rdSHL: I doubt it! Looking...
2022-05-27 17:19:46	lmat	Edu4rdSHL: Installing that package didn't have any obvious effect. Do I need to restart?
2022-05-27 17:20:01	Edu4rdSHL	Yes, or restart the audio services or login out/in
2022-05-27 17:20:16	lmat	I'll be right back then.
2022-05-27 17:20:21	susi	are you sure you need that SOF stuff?
2022-05-27 17:21:15	Scimmia	on a modern intel system? very likely, yes
2022-05-27 17:21:25	susi	okay, good to know
2022-05-27 17:21:38	lmat	Edu4rdSHL: Looks good, dude!
2022-05-27 17:21:44	Edu4rdSHL	:)
2022-05-27 17:21:54	lmat	Edu4rdSHL: Log out and log in didn't do the trick, but sudo reboot; got everything going.
2022-05-27 17:22:13	Edu4rdSHL	Great
2022-05-27 17:22:19	Scimmia	lmat: yeah, you have to reload the module, not the userspace, so a reboot is the easiest way
2022-05-27 17:23:51	domino14	anyone know if i can get a better driver for my webcam
2022-05-27 17:23:52	susi	on my 2017 Intel system, I didn't need to install anything sof, snd_sof_intel and snd_sof_intel_hda_common were enough for the sof
2022-05-27 17:23:55	domino14	or even how to see the chipset of it
2022-05-27 17:24:02	Repentinus	modprobe is the easiest way.
2022-05-27 17:24:46	Edu4rdSHL	susi, it's mostly needed for intel systems >= 2019
2022-05-27 17:26:53	lmat	I changed my mind, I don't want the speakrs anymore. They're hurting my head :-D
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2022-05-27 18:46:36	mattrb	Hi guys, I'm having an issue with systemd-boot during Arch install. I set up my partitions, mounted them, and chrooted /mnt. When I look in /dev it lists my various devices, but when I boot the new install it can't find the labeled drive.
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2022-05-27 18:47:33	Namarrgon	what is the exact error you get on boot?
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2022-05-27 18:52:09	mattrb	waiting 10s for device /dev....
2022-05-27 18:52:30	mattrb	then it says device "LABEL=SOMELABEL" not found
2022-05-27 18:52:31	BrainDamage	systemd-analyse blame
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2022-05-27 18:55:11	Namarrgon	post your bootloader config and the blkid output from inside the chroot
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2022-05-27 19:03:54	LuksNuke	what would be the default security scans before installing aur packages?
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2022-05-27 19:04:55	mpan	LuksNuke: 1) understanding the risk. 2) Seeing if PKGBUILD does exactly what you want it to do.
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2022-05-27 19:06:42	LuksNuke	ok ty
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2022-05-27 19:07:10	mpan	There is no magical solution if that’s what you wanted.
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2022-05-27 19:07:50	mpan	A PKGBUILD is an option of a totally random person about how to build software. Nothing more. It’s computer-readable and there exist a tool to read that (makepkg), but it’s still just some peron’s opinion.
2022-05-27 19:11:30	LuksNuke	but when completely understanding PKGBUILD and package urls already come from desired host it already would look fine?
2022-05-27 19:11:56	mpan	Yes, if the PKGBUILD does what you want it to do.
2022-05-27 19:13:05	mpan	PKGBUILD does not differ in any way from normal software building.
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2022-05-27 19:13:46	LuksNuke	yes it looks very self explaining
2022-05-27 19:13:51	LuksNuke	thank you again
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2022-05-27 19:16:22	popsch	I always get SERVFAIL back from my DNS servers on a specific domain. How so? The command works from other machines and it also works from the firewall. It's not blocked (svb.com) and I can see the udp packet going to one server (SERVFAIL) and then going to the next server (also SERVFAIL).
2022-05-27 19:16:29	popsch	any idea?
2022-05-27 19:17:09	popsch	One server is pihole and the other is unboundDNS (opnsense)
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2022-05-27 19:18:29	popsch	pihole even creates a log entry (lookup svb.com answered by dns.google#53 SERVFAIL)
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2022-05-27 19:19:47	popsch	When I switch to 1.1.1.1 in pihole, it still returns SERVFAIL and the log says that 1.1.1.1#53 answered 
2022-05-27 19:23:03	gehidore	ask in the pihole channel?
2022-05-27 19:23:03	popsch	the problem also happens with the second DNS (unboundDNS on opnsense)
2022-05-27 19:23:03	popsch	But the problem does *not* happen with another machine on the same subnet that is running debian
2022-05-27 19:23:03	popsch	there, the lookup resolves normally
2022-05-27 19:23:03	popsch	using the same DNS servers
2022-05-27 19:23:03	mpan	LuksNuke: basically rule #0 to remember: AUR is a bunch of stuff placed there by random people. :)
2022-05-27 19:23:03	gehidore	dig sigfail.verteiltesysteme.net @127.0.0.1 -p 5353
2022-05-27 19:23:03	gehidore	dig sigok.verteiltesysteme.net @127.0.0.1 -p 5353
2022-05-27 19:23:19	mpan	And tehre were cases of actual malware placed there, specifically tailored for AUR.
2022-05-27 19:23:22	mpan	!aur-malware
2022-05-27 19:23:23	phrik	Yes, that does happen: https://yeah.nah.nz/misc/aur-dangers/
2022-05-27 19:23:43	LuksNuke	mpan, so many programs will not get built correctly either
2022-05-27 19:23:46	LuksNuke	lemme see
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2022-05-27 19:27:17	popsch	gehidore, dig provides no useful clue. https://cl1p.net/uqzelhiycsfuo
2022-05-27 19:27:19	phrik	Title: cl1p.net - The internet clipboard (at cl1p.net)
2022-05-27 19:29:51	gehidore	I get a blank screen?
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2022-05-27 19:30:30	popsch	try again. I had it set to 'destroy after 1 view'
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2022-05-27 19:32:36	popsch	gehidore, https://cl1p.net/uqzuhpotfvuxx
2022-05-27 19:32:37	phrik	Title: cl1p.net - The internet clipboard (at cl1p.net)
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2022-05-27 19:51:41	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-05-27 19:51:41	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1438 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1437 normals)
2022-05-27 19:42:25	domino14	i just had a situation where videos wouldn't play on chromium
2022-05-27 19:42:37	domino14	after restarting the computer they started playing again. restarting just the browser didn't do anything
2022-05-27 19:46:57	LuksNuke	mpan, I see already with shellcheck for known issues
2022-05-27 19:47:01	LuksNuke	this is interesting
2022-05-27 19:51:41	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-05-27 19:52:07	LuksNuke	mpan, is it safe to simply tar -xf the package?
2022-05-27 19:52:20	LuksNuke	never ran into this problem
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2022-05-27 19:52:23	HaMsTeRs	yes
2022-05-27 19:52:30	LuksNuke	hmhm ok
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2022-05-27 19:57:34	LuksNuke	but it also can be hard to inspect aur packages
2022-05-27 19:57:50	LuksNuke	but when I read the first 100 lines of https://github.com/michaellass/archlinux-java-run/blob/master/archlinux-java-run.sh
2022-05-27 19:57:58	LuksNuke	and I see the presentation on github
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2022-05-27 20:00:26	wyre	susi, is that --wait to prevent the terminal to be closed? 
2022-05-27 20:01:02	susi	it just waits for the child, probably won't make a difference
2022-05-27 20:01:12	wyre	that was guessing, ... 
2022-05-27 20:01:31	wyre	I'm reading the man page to se if some argument may prevent it from closing
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2022-05-27 20:02:37	ℹ 	stoned es conocido ahora como Hash
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2022-05-27 20:04:23	tent405	if i am installing a .service file that modifies networking to create a bridge+slave on the main network interface (which ofc involves dropping the link temporarily), which is the best place to move that service file to? and will Requires=network-online.target\nAfter=network-online.target suffice in the [Unit] section
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2022-05-27 20:05:06	tent405	I'm about to run it on a test system but the target is a RHEL9 machine and I only run arch. I am /hoping/ that both nmcli and systemd provide a distro-agnostic interface.
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2022-05-27 20:05:18	Namarrgon	tent405: does systemd-networkd not support what your service does?
2022-05-27 20:05:40	Namarrgon	it's already fully integrated and you get it for free
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2022-05-27 20:07:10	Namarrgon	rhel9 and arch run very different versions of systemd and you better ask in some rh channel 
2022-05-27 20:07:18	teraflops	or NM which is the default in RHEL
2022-05-27 20:08:43	tent405	I should probably RTFM and also just play with the RHEL in VM.
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2022-05-27 20:09:29	tent405	jumping back into that hole called libvirt networking, it has been a major pain to get VM's to "just work" but i think i've found a solution, thanks tho
2022-05-27 20:10:32	tent405	it was actually the arch wiki that finally solved my issue with configuring bridge slaved interfaces, so there's that, thanks guys
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2022-05-27 20:12:01	MacGyver	tent405: You don't need to do it like that.
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2022-05-27 20:12:26	MacGyver	tent405: If you use a macvtap instead of a bridge, you shouldn't lose the link.
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2022-05-27 20:15:01	MacGyver	tent405: And doesn't require any service files modifying your network configuration because libvirt can do the adding of the macvtap natively.
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2022-05-27 20:15:48	MacGyver	tent405: The only caveat is you'll need to *permanently* add a macvlan interface in the host's network config and *permanently* configure that one as the host interface (i.e. no configuration on the actual physical interface) if your goal is to have host-guest communication.
2022-05-27 20:16:18	MacGyver	tent405: This works flawlessly with systemd-networkd.
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2022-05-27 20:18:41	tent405	MacGyver: the goal is to have the least configuration overhead for getting full communication with the guests, between eachother and on the subnet, without dealing with the horror of a nat configuration. I hadn't considered the macvtap option, but I will research it now. 
2022-05-27 20:19:23	MacGyver	tent405: What do you use for network management on the host?
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2022-05-27 20:20:04	tent405	MacGyver: cockpit would be ideal. if i wrote configuration into a systemd service, that's acceptable too. 
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2022-05-27 20:22:11	tent405	MacGyver: would the macvtap route allow for multiple machines to freely talk to eachother and have no impediments for inbound traffic originating from the host's subnet?
2022-05-27 20:22:29	MacGyver	tent405: In systemd-networkd terms, http://ix.io/3YLr would become the enp0s31f6.network configuration for the physical interface, and http://ix.io/3YLs the victorinoxtap.netdev for the macvlan interface on the host.
2022-05-27 20:22:40	MacGyver	tent405: Correct, unless you decide to set up such impediments yourself.
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2022-05-27 20:23:07	MacGyver	tent405: macvtap treats your physical interface *as* the network bridge.
2022-05-27 20:23:38	MacGyver	tent405: The only caveat being that you cannot have host-to-guest/guest-to-host communication without this additional setup where you add a macvlan interface on the host.
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2022-05-27 20:25:15	tent405	MacGyver: interesting. because the guests don't need to talk to the host other than for management purposes, which I'm fine with doing over libvirt's console
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2022-05-27 20:25:59	MacGyver	tent405: Then macvtap is fully plug-and-play.
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2022-05-27 20:26:22	MacGyver	tent405: It'll just dangle macvtap interfaces on the physical interface and libvirt is capable of doing that itself.
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2022-05-27 20:28:28	tent405	MacGyver: thanks, that's a big help. i'll get on it.
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2022-05-27 20:34:56	⚡ 	gehidore is annoyed that the new qemu packages try to overwrite /etc/qemu/bridge.conf
2022-05-27 20:35:10	gehidore	should say... they don't overwrite they just fail because file exists
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2022-05-27 20:35:56	Foxboron	gehidore: hmm, that should probably be inn the backup array
2022-05-27 20:37:06	gehidore	I would say
2022-05-27 20:37:23	gehidore	also blows up on everything from qemu-arch-extra I believe existing in filesystem despite replacing it
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2022-05-27 20:37:59	gehidore	I just deleted my bridge.conf, uninstalled all qemu packages, and installed the new ones and changed all my network settings to match what ships in bridge.conf to make it a non issue 
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2022-05-27 20:38:03	gehidore	but... shouldn't have to
2022-05-27 20:38:47	Foxboron	:/
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2022-05-27 20:40:53	gehidore	it's a production machine so I do what I can to swim in non issues
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2022-05-27 20:41:14	gehidore	I'll be interested to see if it breaks my wifi to qemu bridge on my laptop
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2022-05-27 20:55:01	mpan	LuksNuke: I was away from chat. The article is just giving an example of such an occurance. As for untaring a package… I don’t get the question. In AUR you only have PKGBUILDs, not packages. Packages are built by you, using `makepkg`.
2022-05-27 20:55:04	Auditor_3d	Hi guys. I've been using Arch for a few years now but I could use some help if someone has a second on modifying a PKGBUILD..im having a hard time understanding and if i could see someone make an adjustment I need I would understnad it better
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2022-05-27 20:55:53	mpan	Auditor_3d: without you posting the PKGBUILD and explaining the changes… no one can help. :D
2022-05-27 20:56:01	Auditor_3d	workin on it lol
2022-05-27 20:56:03	Gnea	Auditor_3d: can try
2022-05-27 20:56:22	Gnea	!pastebin
2022-05-27 20:56:23	phrik	Pastebin.com is swamped with advertisements and random captchas. Malware found on pastebin.com has resulted in it being blocked for some users. It injects CRLF line-endings. Please, use something else. Use something sane like https://gist.github.com https://bpaste.net https://ix.io and see !ix for easy way to paste from a pipe
2022-05-27 20:56:41	Auditor_3d	I am trying to manually update a PKGBuild for superslicer-prerelease-bin but I want to build the nightly found here: https://github.com/supermerill/SuperSlicer/tree/nightly_dev
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2022-05-27 20:56:57	Auditor_3d	do you want me to post the existing PKGBUILD from the file?
2022-05-27 20:57:22	mpan	Yes
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2022-05-27 20:57:30	demonicmaniac1	a -bin grabs a binary and ypur link is source to build from
2022-05-27 20:57:43	demonicmaniac1	that's not a simple adjustment
2022-05-27 20:57:54	mpan	Oh, the PKGBUILD is in AUR.
2022-05-27 20:57:59	mpan	I mean… you mean the one from AUR?
2022-05-27 20:58:15	Auditor_3d	ok so i started this adventure with just trying to manually change the pKGbuild to download the latest build since the maintainer has not
2022-05-27 20:58:27	Auditor_3d	i also pulled teh sha256sum and updated it but got a failure
2022-05-27 20:58:28	Gnea	Yeah, just paste the AUR PKGBUILD
2022-05-27 20:58:42	mpan	Gnea: https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=superslicer-prerelease-bin
2022-05-27 20:58:43	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-05-27 20:58:49	mpan	(assuming Auditor_3d uses that PKGBUILD)
2022-05-27 20:58:58	Auditor_3d	yep you beat me to it
2022-05-27 20:59:02	Gnea	okay
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2022-05-27 20:59:09	Auditor_3d	thanks mpan
2022-05-27 20:59:16	mpan	Auditor_3d: and what are your changes? What is the error?
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2022-05-27 20:59:44	Auditor_3d	SuperSlicer-ubuntu_18.04-gtk2-2.4.58.2.AppImage is the latest
2022-05-27 21:00:02	Auditor_3d	so all i did was change the ver at the top to 2.4.58.2 and the direct link to the git for this image
2022-05-27 21:00:07	Auditor_3d	and the sha256sum of the package
2022-05-27 21:00:31	Gnea	oh this is nice, I'm getting my printer setup soon, so this will help :-D
2022-05-27 21:00:46	mpan	Gnea: there are also slicers in the official repos, if you want.
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2022-05-27 21:01:03	demonicmaniac1	Auditor_3d: line 19 is your problem
2022-05-27 21:01:06	Gnea	mpan: I'll probably be aiming for more bleeding edge stuff, too
2022-05-27 21:01:34	demonicmaniac1	_appimage=SuperSlicer-ubuntu_18.04-gtk3-$_pkgtag.AppImage
2022-05-27 21:01:38	mpan	Auditor_3d: and the error…
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2022-05-27 21:01:40	demonicmaniac1	it references pkgtag in there
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2022-05-27 21:01:53	Gnea	yes, I agree, line 19 should have https://github.com/supermerill/SuperSlicer/tree/nightly_dev
2022-05-27 21:01:59	demonicmaniac1	so you can't just change the direct link source but also have to change the version number in the _pkgtag
2022-05-27 21:02:03	Auditor_3d	chmod: cannot access 'SuperSlicer-ubuntu_18.04-gtk3-2.4.58.2.AppImage': No such file or directory
2022-05-27 21:02:13	Auditor_3d	ah ok
2022-05-27 21:02:16	Auditor_3d	thats probably it
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2022-05-27 21:02:47	demonicmaniac1	lines 4 5 6 have pkgtag referencing pkgver and appimage referencing pkgtag
2022-05-27 21:02:59	Gnea	other parts of the script are probably useless as well
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2022-05-27 21:03:13	Auditor_3d	on line 19 i am changing the file though
2022-05-27 21:03:20	Auditor_3d	https://github.com/supermerill/SuperSlicer/releases/download/2.4.58.2/SuperSlicer-ubuntu_18.04-gtk2-2.4.58.2.AppImage
2022-05-27 21:03:21	demonicmaniac1	so just changing the pkgver at the top should be fine and then replacing the 2.4.58.0 in 19 with pkgtag
2022-05-27 21:03:23	Gnea	lines 25-28 are not going to work
2022-05-27 21:03:29	LuksNuke	mpan, so i assume makepkg is using shell functions from PKGBUILD so the only bottleneck could be a bug in makepkg
2022-05-27 21:03:38	Gnea	Auditor_3d: get rid of the appimage stuff
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2022-05-27 21:03:58	LuksNuke	I always use makepkg -si
2022-05-27 21:03:59	mpan	Auditor_3d: but $_appimage is later referenced in line 26.
2022-05-27 21:04:13	Auditor_3d	all together? 25-28?
2022-05-27 21:04:18	mpan	LuksNuke: bottleneck?
2022-05-27 21:04:42	mpan	LuksNuke: also, consider `-sir` to avoid garbage left after building. -r removes build dependencies after build.
2022-05-27 21:04:46	Auditor_3d	this package builds with the older version, im trying to understand why not just updating the links and versions and such doesnt work
2022-05-27 21:04:50	Gnea	or is .AppImage required by some other software?
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2022-05-27 21:05:13	Auditor_3d	nah its just what the maintaner is using...im not trying to start from scratch here because i dont know how
2022-05-27 21:05:14	Auditor_3d	lol
2022-05-27 21:05:26	demonicmaniac1	Auditor_3d: as i said lines 4 to 6
2022-05-27 21:05:28	Auditor_3d	was trying to keep it simple but apparently its more complicated
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2022-05-27 21:05:41	demonicmaniac1	_appimage references _pkgtag references pkgver
2022-05-27 21:05:49	Auditor_3d	yep im thinking maybe line 6
2022-05-27 21:05:51	LuksNuke	mpan, -r looks good
2022-05-27 21:06:11	demonicmaniac1	and your download link in 19 has 2.5xx but at the end it still downloads _appimage which is the old version in pkgver and pkgtag
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2022-05-27 21:06:26	demonicmaniac1	so all you need to do is change the pkgver in line 4
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2022-05-27 21:08:19	Auditor_3d	OH i see its appending that to all the places it needs to
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2022-05-27 21:08:25	Gnea	Auditor_3d: the basic problem here is that the PKGBUILD is pulling in an .AppImage, which is a binary release of the software built for a specific architecture, then converting it to work in Arch 
2022-05-27 21:08:27	Auditor_3d	im already making it more complicated than is hould
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2022-05-27 21:08:55	Auditor_3d	I agree. I would like to see this package rebuilt for true source code they have on there but thats above my knowledge
2022-05-27 21:08:56	Gnea	Auditor_3d: whereas your goal is to pull the original source code, compile it, package it, and install it
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2022-05-27 21:09:27	Gnea	Auditor_3d: I'm with you on that
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2022-05-27 21:13:44	Auditor_3d	thanks to your help I got it understood...had to modify a few other things too in order for it to work
2022-05-27 21:14:03	Auditor_3d	still had to update the sha256sum and also change the version info on line 19 as well as 4 and 5
2022-05-27 21:14:07	Auditor_3d	but it worked!
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2022-05-27 21:14:35	Gnea	nice!
2022-05-27 21:14:35	Gnea	can you pastebin the results?
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2022-05-27 21:16:25	Auditor_3d	https://pastebin.com/LjVJgmNg
2022-05-27 21:16:26	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oBK4.txt
2022-05-27 21:16:26	phrik	Title: # Maintainer: ssorgatem at gmail dot compkgname=superslicer-prerelease-bin - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2022-05-27 21:17:56	Gnea	that looks like the original
2022-05-27 21:18:17	Auditor_3d	oh no that did not work
2022-05-27 21:18:25	Gnea	okay
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2022-05-27 21:20:52	Gnea	Auditor_3d: also.... just an fyi.... I just noticed that there is a superslicer-git package
2022-05-27 21:21:22	Gnea	perhaps headbanging should remain relegated to heavy metal concerts :-)
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2022-05-27 21:36:04	Gnea	perhaps someone can help with an issue that I'm still struggling with... trying to get my nfs server under some kind of semblence of control here, but it just doesn't want to cooperate and I haven't encountered this problem before: https://bpa.st/HOXQ
2022-05-27 21:36:04	phrik	Title: View paste HOXQ (at bpa.st)
2022-05-27 21:36:04	Gnea	why is it duplicating the path?
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2022-05-27 21:36:34	Nemo9	hii
2022-05-27 21:36:39	Nemo9	can anyone help please
2022-05-27 21:36:46	Nemo9	i have this sl command
2022-05-27 21:37:03	xnovax	you in a chroot or something?
2022-05-27 21:37:08	xnovax	Gnea: 
2022-05-27 21:37:12	Gnea	xnovax: no
2022-05-27 21:37:22	Nemo9	sl $(echo {mycommand}) && thecommandiwantexecuted
2022-05-27 21:37:57	Nemo9	what can mycommand be for thecommandiwantexecuted to run
2022-05-27 21:38:11	Nemo9	thecommandiwantexecuted is cat somefile
2022-05-27 21:38:24	Gnea	Nemo9: something that executes without an error
2022-05-27 21:38:50	Nemo9	Gnea: yeah i know i tried simple commands like ls
2022-05-27 21:39:02	◣	carla (~carla@facebook/engineering/carla) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2022-05-27 21:39:04	Nemo9	it doesnt output anythins
2022-05-27 21:39:05	Gnea	Nemo9: that's literally the requirement for &&
2022-05-27 21:39:08	Nemo9	anything*
2022-05-27 21:39:19	Nemo9	i have also xterm selected as terminal
2022-05-27 21:39:37	Nemo9	and sl outputs some colors i though of clearing screen first using mycommand
2022-05-27 21:39:43	Nemo9	also didnt work
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2022-05-27 21:41:09	Gnea	then you need to test that the output is not empty
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2022-05-27 21:43:39	Nemo9	Gnea: how can i do that
2022-05-27 21:43:48	Nemo9	using only mycommand
2022-05-27 21:44:02	Nemo9	i only have access to that variable
2022-05-27 21:44:29	Namarrgon	what is the overarching goal here? or are you just learning shell scripting?
2022-05-27 21:44:45	Gnea	neotuli: this would be a good primer: https://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_07_01.html
2022-05-27 21:44:47	phrik	Title: Introduction to if (at tldp.org)
2022-05-27 21:45:09	Nemo9	Namarrgon: hi Namarrgon, its actually a challenge
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2022-05-27 21:46:39	TheDcoder	How do I make a program use the nested Wayland session I launched with weston?
2022-05-27 21:46:49	TheDcoder	I tried setting WAYLAND_DISPLAY to the default value but that didn't work
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2022-05-27 21:47:06	Nemo9	Gnea: i cant use if [, i forgot to tell you mycommand gets matched to a regex
2022-05-27 21:47:21	Nemo9	here is the regex ^[a-z0-9A-Z\\]+$
2022-05-27 21:47:46	Namarrgon	is this homework?
2022-05-27 21:48:17	Nemo9	yeah im learning about ctf challenges
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2022-05-27 21:48:43	Nemo9	this is one of the challenges and the hint said i use arch btw 
2022-05-27 21:48:48	Nemo9	so i came here lol
2022-05-27 21:49:36	Nemo9	i thought of xterm not outputing sl colors
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2022-05-27 21:51:27	Namarrgon	bonus points for answering correctly to "What is an xy-problem?" and "Why should i provide all information up-front when asking #archlinux for help?"
2022-05-27 21:51:49	mongy	lol
2022-05-27 21:51:53	Gnea	lol
2022-05-27 21:51:54	Namarrgon	TheDcoder: starting it from inside the new process doesn't work?
2022-05-27 21:52:11	TheDcoder	lol
2022-05-27 21:53:33	TheDcoder	Namarrgon: The default shell only has an icon to launch the terminal program, I guess I can start applications from there but surely I can also do it from my primary display server by setting the appropriate env vars?
2022-05-27 21:54:07	Nemo9	okayy ill paste the script wait 
2022-05-27 21:54:22	Nemo9	here is the ix: http://ix.io/3YLR
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2022-05-27 21:54:54	TheDcoder	Namarrgon: I just remembered that I can use the terminal to look at the env variables! Thank you very much
2022-05-27 21:54:59	TheDcoder	I found the correct value :)
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2022-05-27 21:55:16	xnovax	Gnea: can you share your /etc/exports file? 
2022-05-27 21:55:33	Nemo9	the first problem is injecting code to $v2 so input for $v1 would be -e then for $v2 the command for sl
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2022-05-27 21:56:20	Nemo9	i figured how to inject code to zsh input but now the problem relies on that train.
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2022-05-27 22:00:07	Gnea	xnovax: https://bpa.st/BJ3A
2022-05-27 22:00:07	phrik	Title: View paste BJ3A (at bpa.st)
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2022-05-27 22:01:51	susi	Nemo9: it may help to set RPROMPT=%(?..%?) so you easily see when the return value is non-zero (if this was zsh)
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2022-05-27 22:03:00	Nemo9	susi: yeah its zsh
2022-05-27 22:03:04	◣	xnovax (~xnovax@user/xnovax) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-05-27 22:03:38	susi	since that "sl $(...) && comm" requires left-hand side to return 0 (success) for the right-hand side to be executed
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2022-05-27 22:04:13	susi	I know the answer but maybe I'm not supposed to spill it out :>
2022-05-27 22:04:24	Nemo9	susi: but im leaving sl to run so it must be returning 0, otherwise how can i check it
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2022-05-27 22:04:54	Nemo9	susi: humm, okay ill try my best 
2022-05-27 22:04:57	susi	Nemo9: try that RPROMPT=%(?..%?)  and see what it does, like I suggested
2022-05-27 22:05:21	susi	and "echo $?" tells the ret value of the prev command
2022-05-27 22:05:24	Nemo9	susi: it says unknown file attributes
2022-05-27 22:05:41	Nemo9	susi: okay ill do that
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2022-05-27 22:06:16	susi	that wasn't {mycommand} that RPROMPT
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2022-05-27 22:06:33	Nemo9	susi: interesting 
2022-05-27 22:06:43	Nemo9	susi: its returning 1 when i pass ls
2022-05-27 22:06:48	susi	https://zsh.sourceforge.io/Intro/intro_14.html
2022-05-27 22:06:49	phrik	Title: An Introduction to the Z Shell - Prompting (at zsh.sourceforge.io)
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2022-05-27 22:08:09	Gnea	xnovax: did you catch that?
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2022-05-27 22:10:04	xnovax	Gnea: no sorry
2022-05-27 22:10:22	Vorpal	someone said zsh?
2022-05-27 22:10:23	Gnea	xnovax: https://bpa.st/BJ3A
2022-05-27 22:10:25	phrik	Title: View paste BJ3A (at bpa.st)
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2022-05-27 22:10:32	Vorpal	Interesting *reads scrollback*
2022-05-27 22:10:37	Nemo9	susi: i can see that the return value is 1 for sl by default
2022-05-27 22:10:53	susi	Nemo9: did you check it's man page already?
2022-05-27 22:10:58	susi	its*
2022-05-27 22:11:17	Nemo9	susi: yeah i also tried CTRL+c
2022-05-27 22:11:28	Nemo9	and passed wrong commands
2022-05-27 22:11:57	susi	so you have to pass it to something that makes it return 0
2022-05-27 22:12:04	susi	-to
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2022-05-27 22:12:39	Vorpal	Nemo9: what are you trying to do exactly? This seem excessively complicated?
2022-05-27 22:12:47	xnovax	Gnea: is the nfs dir your trying to export, something that is mounted? like, you are trying to export, a mounted directory?
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2022-05-27 22:13:09	Vorpal	and what does sl do?
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2022-05-27 22:13:56	susi	Vorpal: it's not that complicated, there's "sl $(echo ???) | foo", what's the ??? part to make foo execute, ??? must match ^[a-zA-Z0-9\\]+$
2022-05-27 22:14:03	Nemo9	Vorpal: sl just prints a train animation on the terminal meaning that the user accidently typed sl instead of ls
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2022-05-27 22:14:18	susi	Vorpal: it's a challenge/school work, so don't spill the beans!
2022-05-27 22:14:27	Vorpal	ah
2022-05-27 22:14:35	Nemo9	Vorpal: here is the script
2022-05-27 22:14:43	Nemo9	susi: lolz
2022-05-27 22:14:50	Vorpal	susi: right. *goes back to debugging zsh completion internals*
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2022-05-27 22:15:27	Vorpal	(seriously, I was doing that when I took a pause and was looking over at IRC)
2022-05-27 22:15:27	xnovax	Gnea: might help, if you take a look at the output of the command 'mount' to see whats being mounted where. can share it if you like
2022-05-27 22:15:44	Nemo9	susi: you make it seem so easy lol i have to understand how to do it
2022-05-27 22:16:38	Vorpal	heh, didn't know about sl before. Very silly command. Even more silly that it is actually packaged in arch
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2022-05-27 22:18:29	Nemo9	susi: what can i put so that the regex doesnt complain?
2022-05-27 22:18:49	Nemo9	give me some hints please
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2022-05-27 22:19:57	susi	are you sure the regex is ^[a-z0-9A-Z\\]+$ and nothing more?
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2022-05-27 22:21:06	Nemo9	susi: yeah thats it
2022-05-27 22:21:42	Nemo9	im so used to just doing || true
2022-05-27 22:21:46	susi	well, then I don't know if there's an answer :S are these supposed to be trivial or some serious hacking?
2022-05-27 22:21:51	Vorpal	so any line with ascii or backslashes?
2022-05-27 22:22:02	Vorpal	sorry that was badly worded
2022-05-27 22:22:12	Vorpal	any line with ascii letters and numbers + backslash
2022-05-27 22:22:19	Vorpal	and only that
2022-05-27 22:22:42	Nemo9	humm i use backslash
2022-05-27 22:23:08	susi	there's no extra - in the regex pattern?
2022-05-27 22:24:06	Nemo9	susi: no just that regex
2022-05-27 22:24:16	susi	okay, then I don't know the answer
2022-05-27 22:24:31	Nemo9	maybe zsh must have something to inject using \
2022-05-27 22:24:54	susi	if - was allowed, then -v would be a trivial answer
2022-05-27 22:25:57	Nemo9	yeah -v flag from sl
2022-05-27 22:26:27	Vorpal	oh so you are trying to find a string that goes through that?
2022-05-27 22:26:29	susi	but these CTF challenges seem to be non-trivial, I thought it was something more like a school work
2022-05-27 22:27:07	Nemo9	susi: yeah its labled hard
2022-05-27 22:27:15	Vorpal	why is TERM=xterm relevant. That is really strange
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2022-05-27 22:27:36	Nemo9	Vorpal: at first thats what i though
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2022-05-27 22:28:41	Vorpal	Nemo9: according to the man page for sl there are serveral other flags
2022-05-27 22:29:04	susi	Vorpal: but - isn't allowed
2022-05-27 22:29:36	Vorpal	and nor is any sort of injecting || etc hm
2022-05-27 22:31:19	Vorpal	that nested double read must be important
2022-05-27 22:31:42	Nemo9	Vorpal: the double read i figured it out
2022-05-27 22:31:53	Vorpal	Nemo9: you can inject flags to the read
2022-05-27 22:31:57	Nemo9	passing -e as input to v1 to inject to v2
2022-05-27 22:31:59	Vorpal	since that is before the regex
2022-05-27 22:32:03	Vorpal	yep
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2022-05-27 22:32:20	Nemo9	hummmm 
2022-05-27 22:32:28	Nemo9	you mean passing through v1
2022-05-27 22:32:47	Vorpal	that was fun. I did a CTF thing last summer at an event. My team won the "grand prize" (a set of physical lockpicks and one of those transparent locks)
2022-05-27 22:33:06	susi	oh, I never saw that ix.io
2022-05-27 22:33:13	Vorpal	Nemo9: well I'm sure you can set some suitable flags to the first read to do something silly
2022-05-27 22:33:30	◣	Vonter (~Vonter@user/vonter) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-05-27 22:33:33	Vorpal	Nemo9: just -e alone may not be the answer
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2022-05-28 08:08:50	randomxusr	I'm on the latest Vanilla rolling kernel and KDE plasma 5.24 - Looking to test flathub. If I follow the article, is there anything special to get Discover to search Flathub/flatpak repos?
2022-05-28 11:10:43	ugubok	:q
2022-05-28 11:12:03	ugubok	billy02812: Thanks for respond about NFS. The mountpoint is readonly anyway, so I try soft mode
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2022-05-28 14:24:43	mingdao	How did you get 5.18.0?
2022-05-28 14:24:53	mingdao	Must be some different repo.
2022-05-28 14:25:14	mingdao	Not that I want a .0 release; just curious.
2022-05-28 14:31:58	lod	testing
2022-05-28 14:37:00	jmariondev	!test
2022-05-28 14:37:00	phrik	[PASS]
2022-05-28 14:39:38	lod	:P
2022-05-28 14:47:41	mingdao	swhing!
2022-05-28 14:54:47	mizu	so i logged into my laptop to today and the keyboard is acting weird. it keeps ghost typing the letter y randomly and i have no clue how to solve this on my own as it most likely is a hardware issue.
2022-05-28 14:55:20	Vorpal	mizu: check for crud under or around that key to begin with
2022-05-28 14:55:34	Vorpal	dirt or dust is the most likely and easiest to fix as well
2022-05-28 14:55:40	mizu	the crazy thing is i can't even log in to my laptop anymore as i can't type the password 
2022-05-28 14:55:51	Vorpal	maybe the mechanism is a bit gummed up so the key doesn't go all the way up
2022-05-28 14:56:09	Vorpal	mizu: is it a membrane or mechanical keyboard?
2022-05-28 14:56:46	mizu	Vorpal: it's a membrane keyboard, the one that's attached to my laptop (i have a hp paviliion)
2022-05-28 14:57:13	Vorpal	mizu: hm, depending on the vintage taking out the keyboard could be really easy or require disassembling the entire thing starting at the bottom
2022-05-28 14:57:21	mizu	i tried removing the keycap and clearing out the dust but that didn't help
2022-05-28 14:57:25	Vorpal	the more modern the more difficult
2022-05-28 14:57:45	Vorpal	mizu: could be dirt between the membrane and the PCB below
2022-05-28 14:58:08	Vorpal	since you said ghost typing it sounds like it is making electrical connection when it shouldn't
2022-05-28 14:58:36	Vorpal	see if it stops typing if you *gently* pull up on the membrane, careful not to break it
2022-05-28 14:59:17	Vorpal	even if it doesn't it could still be a conductive fragment directly on the PCB that could be cleaned with some isopropyl alcohol
2022-05-28 14:59:54	Vorpal	mizu: but as I said, depending on the laptop, the keyboard will either be the first or the last thing you remove when you disassemble it.
2022-05-28 15:00:03	Vorpal	of course if it is still under warranty I recommend that instead
2022-05-28 15:00:14	mizu	Vorpal: i had disabled the keyboard using "xinput float" and now enabled it with "xinput reattach" to check if it's still ghost typing. surprisingly it's not doing that anymore
2022-05-28 15:00:32	Vorpal	mizu: so pulling up helped? Almost certainly needs cleaning then
2022-05-28 15:00:46	Namarrgon	does this also happen in the bootloader menu or the firmware?
2022-05-28 15:00:47	Vorpal	or you dislodged the dirt to the side, buying you some more time
2022-05-28 15:00:54	Vorpal	Namarrgon: good questions yes
2022-05-28 15:00:58	mizu	okay never mind it started doing that again
2022-05-28 15:01:27	Vorpal	Namarrgon: I never heard of such a software issue, but who knows
2022-05-28 15:01:56	mizu	Namarrgon: it happens outside Xorg, and i could see the letter y being typed when the "systemd ..." thingy pops up on the black screen too
2022-05-28 15:02:11	Namarrgon	you have to test outside the OS
2022-05-28 15:02:16	Namarrgon	or with a different OS
2022-05-28 15:02:45	mizu	Namarrgon: happens in windows as well, i have a dual boot going on
2022-05-28 15:03:00	Vorpal	mizu: very probably hardware then
2022-05-28 15:04:18	Vorpal	go look for ifixit guides or manuals on disassembling. If you don't have experience with this before I'm going to warn you to be very very careful with ribbon connectors, they are more fragile than you think. Oh and ground yourself for ESD safety
2022-05-28 15:04:39	mizu	Vorpal: i'll try to see if i can disassemble the keyboard myself sometime this weekend, but meanwhile i want to disable the goddamn thing so i can get some work done :3
2022-05-28 15:04:49	Vorpal	a desktop is very hard to break, a laptop is quite a lot more fragile
2022-05-28 15:05:22	Vorpal	a smartphone even more so. And then there is the only thing I dread taking apart: cameras (both modern and vintage). Springs go flying.
2022-05-28 15:06:43	mizu	for now can i somehow disable the keyboard before the Xorg session starts?
2022-05-28 15:07:41	Vorpal	hm, I doubt it
2022-05-28 15:08:04	Vorpal	keyboards outside X are handled directly by the kernel aren't they?
2022-05-28 15:08:53	Vorpal	mizu: anyway you could probably set up a login manager to run a script when it starts to disable the keyboard there
2022-05-28 15:09:03	Vorpal	but in the terminal? don't think so
2022-05-28 15:09:20	Vorpal	I would imagine at least lightdm supports running some sort of rc file
2022-05-28 15:09:22	mizu	i use lightdm
2022-05-28 15:10:48	Vorpal	hm, don't see anything in the docs
2022-05-28 15:11:50	mizu	the are ways to run a script _after_ login, but i couldn't find anything for before login
2022-05-28 15:15:04	Vorpal	yeah hm
2022-05-28 15:15:09	Vorpal	might be difficult then
2022-05-28 15:15:25	Vorpal	suspend instead turn off then?
2022-05-28 15:15:51	mizu	Vorpal: i just setup autologin on lightdm, i think i'm happy with this workaround for now
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2022-05-28 16:12:47	cc0a3hr	Let's say my xorg broke, what should I do? I'm asking this question because most people I heard scared of xorg breaks.
2022-05-28 16:13:11	Edu4rdSHL	Fix it, that's what you should do, no?
2022-05-28 16:13:25	cc0a3hr	Haha yeahh, but how to fix it?
2022-05-28 16:13:51	thrice	what is broken?
2022-05-28 16:13:53	Namarrgon	look at the log, panic, fix it
2022-05-28 16:13:53	BrainDamage	start by collecting logs
2022-05-28 16:13:54	Edu4rdSHL	How you broke it? WHat do you mean for it being broken?
2022-05-28 16:14:14	Edu4rdSHL	And look at the Xorg logs as well as the journal ones.
2022-05-28 16:14:15	thrice	it's like saying "my car doesn't drive, what should I do?" and expecting a precise answer
2022-05-28 16:14:17	MacGyver	cc0a3hr: What you should do is ask an actual question.
2022-05-28 16:14:23	Edu4rdSHL	thrice, ++
2022-05-28 16:14:29	cc0a3hr	seems passive agressive, as always
2022-05-28 16:15:01	thrice	!bail
2022-05-28 16:15:02	phrik	Looks like thrice is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-05-28 16:15:06	Edu4rdSHL	cc0a3hr, not in any ways, it's just to not waste the time of others :)
2022-05-28 16:15:12	Edu4rdSHL	Its quite similar to
2022-05-28 16:15:15	MacGyver	cc0a3hr: Like, for example, come in here and say "My Xorg broke when I did X, any help" and then we can actually decide to put time and effort into diagnosing and fixing your problem.
2022-05-28 16:15:16	Edu4rdSHL	!doesnotwork
2022-05-28 16:15:16	phrik	"Does not work?" means nothing. Why doesn't it work? Are there any error messages?
2022-05-28 16:15:24	MacGyver	cc0a3hr: We have plenty of those *without* the hypothetical.
2022-05-28 16:15:55	MacGyver	cc0a3hr: You learn how to troubleshoot by doing it, with or without guidance from others.
2022-05-28 16:19:31	MacGyver	cc0a3hr: So did you actually want an answer to the meta-question "How do I troubleshoot an as-of-yet non-existent problem? Or were you doing the "Sooooo, asking for a friend, hypothetically, what would you do if your house was on fire" cutesy way of asking for help without asking for help? Because if you actually do have a problem, we tend to be much more receptive to that.
2022-05-28 16:19:56	MacGyver	s/?/"?/
2022-05-28 16:28:44	domino14	how do i get my printer to print?
2022-05-28 16:29:09	domino14	i installed CUPS and i can see my printer there in localhost:631
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2022-05-28 16:29:56	domino14	when i try to print from chromium for example, and then check the cups server, i see "Unable to locate printer "BRN001BA9C5DE93.local"."
2022-05-28 16:30:09	domino14	i don't know where that URL came from
2022-05-28 16:31:07	MacGyver	Looks like it might be doing some mDNS or Avahi thing.
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2022-05-28 16:31:28	MacGyver	Did you at any point manually configure the printer?
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2022-05-28 17:01:26	mingdao	pacman -yu answered n && pacman -S dmidecode
2022-05-28 17:02:11	Edu4rdSHL	You can use `pacman -Sy dmidecode` :p
2022-05-28 17:02:19	mingdao	so yes, in a manner of speaking, but after the above
2022-05-28 17:02:47	Edu4rdSHL	mingdao, what happens if you reboot and before updating/installing anything run `fdisk -l` ?
2022-05-28 17:02:53	Edu4rdSHL	Can you test that?
2022-05-28 17:03:00	mingdao	yeah ... wanted to see versions of other software
2022-05-28 17:03:07	MacGyver	domino14: Indeed it isn't but I don't know enough about mDNS and avahi to be able to help you further.
2022-05-28 17:03:12	mingdao	will do that
2022-05-28 17:03:26	mingdao	afk atm
2022-05-28 17:04:43	domino14	i dont know what those thigns are either 
2022-05-28 17:04:50	domino14	is it because it's a network printer?
2022-05-28 17:12:26	mingdao	 Edu4rdSHL: This is an old HP ProLiant DL360p Gen8.  I wonder if the hardware RAID configurator did this?
2022-05-28 17:12:45	mingdao	It's not back up yet, but soon.  ;)
2022-05-28 17:13:36	Edu4rdSHL	mingdao, RAID configurations shouldn't change the device firmware properties, I have never seen/expected that.
2022-05-28 17:13:56	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-05-28 17:14:26	mingdao	Edu4rdSHL: I don't know that I've ever seen Disk model: LOGICAL VOLUME
2022-05-28 17:14:53	Edu4rdSHL	It makes sense in cloud servers where "disks" aren't really hardware disks
2022-05-28 17:15:42	◣	akaWolf (~akaWolf@akawolf.org) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-05-28 17:19:23	mingdao	Edu4rdSHL: The song remains the same ... https://0x0.st/oBqK.txt
2022-05-28 17:19:23	Vorpal	mingdao: wait what? "LOGICAL VOLUME" on physical hardware?
2022-05-28 17:19:23	Edu4rdSHL	mingdao, well, just continue the installation and see what happens
2022-05-28 17:19:23	Vorpal	hardware raid?
2022-05-28 17:19:23	Edu4rdSHL	I dont have more ideas
2022-05-28 17:19:23	Edu4rdSHL	Vorpal, according to lsblk it's just a physical disk
2022-05-28 17:19:23	Vorpal	odd
2022-05-28 17:19:23	Edu4rdSHL	https://0x0.st/oBNd.txt
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2022-05-28 17:19:23	Vorpal	mingdao: are you sure it is not hardware raid?
2022-05-28 17:19:39	Vorpal	how many physical drives are actually in it if you open and check?
2022-05-28 17:19:56	mingdao	Vorpal: I'm sure it IS hardware RAID.
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2022-05-28 17:20:06	mingdao	There are 4 drives; one is degraded.
2022-05-28 17:20:13	Edu4rdSHL	Aah lol
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2022-05-28 17:20:37	Vorpal	mingdao: well I would fix the degraded before going ahead and installing stuff on it
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2022-05-28 17:21:11	Vorpal	also I recommend not doing hardware RAID. If the controller dies you are screwed. With software raid or something like zfs you can always just connect it to another computer.
2022-05-28 17:21:25	Vorpal	RAID may have redundant disks, but not controllers
2022-05-28 17:21:50	mingdao	Vorpal: This is an old HP ProLiant DL360p Gen8
2022-05-28 17:22:20	Vorpal	mingdao: see if you can change the RAID card config to just be a plain host controller and bypass the hw raid functionality
2022-05-28 17:22:46	◣	Xe (~cadey@tailscale/xe) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.5)
2022-05-28 17:23:03	mingdao	https://support.hpe.com/hpesc/public/docDisplay?docLocale=en_US&docId=c03223744
2022-05-28 17:23:28	mingdao	Vorpal: I'd have to go to eBay or somewhere to get a drive for it.
2022-05-28 17:23:58	Foxboron	Anyone running qmk on their system that hasn't updated to the new package yet?
2022-05-28 17:24:11	mingdao	It's just for learning purposes, and no great loss if it dies altogether.  I have 3 more of them.
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2022-05-28 17:24:51	Vorpal	mingdao: hm, can't you reuse the disks that are in it (except the degraded one)?
2022-05-28 17:25:07	mingdao	The other 4 have different disks.
2022-05-28 17:25:20	mingdao	s/4/3
2022-05-28 17:26:17	Vorpal	oh as in different size?
2022-05-28 17:26:19	Vorpal	right
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2022-05-28 17:26:41	mingdao	Yes, and maybe type.  This one is a bit newer, and has an update iLO.
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2022-05-28 17:27:15	mingdao	I don't really want to spend time doing anything like that; just didn't like the Disk mode: LOGICAL VOLUME nomenclature.
2022-05-28 17:27:32	Vorpal	mingdao: anyway I heavily distrust hardware RAID. I know way too many people who had the controller die (or NAS) but the disks were fine. Except it was a proprietary on-disk format. 
2022-05-28 17:27:43	mingdao	I have another of them online with Arch which says the same thing.
2022-05-28 17:28:56	Vorpal	so if it was me I'd try to reconfigure the arrays to be JBOD ("just a bunch of disks") or "host adapter" or similar. May be possible in firmware or with a vendor provided utility. Then I'd probably put zfs on top
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2022-05-28 17:29:10	mingdao	Well, yes, I agree with you.  I'll have to move that from "too much sugar for a dime" to get rid of that and do a RAID 5, maybe.
2022-05-28 17:29:21	mingdao	O
2022-05-28 17:29:31	mingdao	I've never used ZFS, and ..'
2022-05-28 17:29:32	Vorpal	mingdao: not a native speaker, what does  "too much sugar for a dime" mean?
2022-05-28 17:29:56	mingdao	Vorpal: It means the task doesn't return enough value for the time expended.
2022-05-28 17:29:58	mingdao	Does that help?
2022-05-28 17:30:02	Vorpal	ah, gotcha
2022-05-28 17:30:17	mingdao	I forget you're in that awesome country ... Sweden.  ;)
2022-05-28 17:30:47	Vorpal	mingdao: well right now I wish I was elsewhere. The pollen has been brutal these past few weeks for me. Finally seeing the end of it though for this year
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2022-05-28 17:31:03	mingdao	https://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/58/messages/1369.html
2022-05-28 17:31:32	Vorpal	anyway I guess it depends on what you want to use your disks for.
2022-05-28 17:31:42	mingdao	Vorpal: I have allergies now, but didn't as a kid.  Politics, police, stupid drone people ... outweighs pollen.
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2022-05-28 17:32:27	Vorpal	mingdao: I mean we had plenty of politics recently. What with things going on in the world and application to join a certain international organisation.
2022-05-28 17:32:49	BrainDamage	is there a tool to check the consistency of a personal repo? I want to check that all entries have their associated files and signatures ( and therefore hashes ) are correct
2022-05-28 17:32:54	mingdao	Vorpal: I have a Linux Sysadmin job offer coming up (recruiter called yesterday) which requires some skills (a) I haven't used in > 5 years, and (b) never really used.  So I'm putting some servers on line to get familiar again.
2022-05-28 17:32:54	Vorpal	anyway, moving on from that
2022-05-28 17:33:05	mingdao	Yes, let's.
2022-05-28 17:33:18	Vorpal	mingdao: ah, yeah I guess it is fine then
2022-05-28 17:33:43	Vorpal	BrainDamage: interesting question. If you find out, let me know. Sounds useful
2022-05-28 17:34:33	mingdao	BrainDamage: Different than using git?  Guess I'm not thinking this well ...
2022-05-28 17:34:47	Vorpal	mingdao: I assumed he meant custom package repo for pacman
2022-05-28 17:34:51	Vorpal	but yeah that wasn't clear
2022-05-28 17:34:52	mingdao	k
2022-05-28 17:34:56	BrainDamage	I'm not going to put a ton of binary files under revision control
2022-05-28 17:34:57	Vorpal	sorry they*
2022-05-28 17:35:00	Vorpal	I shouldn't assume
2022-05-28 17:35:02	⚡ 	mingdao doesn't intuit
2022-05-28 17:35:04	BrainDamage	and yes, was pacman repo
2022-05-28 17:35:51	mingdao	At @dayjob we're still using SVN, and folks they hire with no Linux skills at all keep fubaring things.  :/
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2022-05-28 17:36:39	Vorpal	BrainDamage: custom.db.tar.gz absolutely contains checksums
2022-05-28 17:36:39	mingdao	Vorpal: This is from the recruiter's email https://0x0.st/oBNJ.png
2022-05-28 17:36:47	Vorpal	BrainDamage: so it should be possible to write a script
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2022-05-28 17:37:20	Vorpal	mingdao: I would run the other way.
2022-05-28 17:37:21	BrainDamage	sure, I know it's possible, I was just wondering if a tool existed
2022-05-28 17:37:26	Vorpal	but that is very personal
2022-05-28 17:37:26	mingdao	Vorpal: Why?
2022-05-28 17:37:36	Vorpal	mingdao: oracle db? SAP?
2022-05-28 17:37:37	mingdao	Vorpal: You can PM if you wish.
2022-05-28 17:37:40	Vorpal	oh god the enterprise
2022-05-28 17:38:07	Vorpal	mingdao: nah I think it may be fine. Just not the sort of thing I could imagine working with personally
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2022-05-28 17:38:11	mingdao	I did some SAP with Toyota.  It's a maintain task, I imagine.
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2022-05-28 17:38:38	Vorpal	also I'm a developer/researcher, not a sysadmin. So there is that
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2022-05-28 17:38:55	mingdao	Vorpal: They're killing me where I work now (17h Wed, 13h Thurs).  Our product is going away, devs have moved to new product, no backfilling, etc.
2022-05-28 17:39:07	Vorpal	mingdao: that is a good reason to switch yeah
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2022-05-28 17:39:08	mingdao	Vorpal: I'm just trying to get some RL back.
2022-05-28 17:39:34	mingdao	Vorpal: Yeah.  And, you're right, I might not like those job responsibilities.
2022-05-28 17:39:54	Vorpal	that is so subjective only you can know
2022-05-28 17:40:02	mingdao	syn ack
2022-05-28 17:40:21	Vorpal	at least it isn't windows admin :)
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2022-05-28 17:43:32	mingdao	Funny you should say that ... I just deleted the 3rd of those sent today. 
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2022-05-28 17:45:08	Vorpal	by the way I assume you have a good reason to not just move to a state with saner labor laws?
2022-05-28 17:45:23	Vorpal	(you don't need to answer that)
2022-05-28 17:45:55	ℹ 	dTal es conocido ahora como CodependentChick
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2022-05-28 17:47:12	ℹ 	CodependentChick es conocido ahora como dTal
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2022-05-28 17:49:29	mingdao	;)
2022-05-28 17:50:15	mingdao	Daughter has 2 years left at uni (actually where that job offer is located) then she is going to law school.  When she moves, we're leaving this backwards state.
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2022-05-28 17:51:54	Shapeshifter	I have a problem with alsa. I use a custom /etc/asound.conf from a previous install. When I do aplay -D default sample.wav, it works correctly (i.e. sounds comes out as expected via an equalizer I defined in asound.conf). However, if I just play a youtube video, asound.conf is apparently NOT used. What do? asound.conf: https://bpa.st/EAVA
2022-05-28 17:51:55	phrik	Title: View paste EAVA (at bpa.st)
2022-05-28 17:55:12	Vorpal	Shapeshifter: hm, play youtube video with what?
2022-05-28 17:55:28	Shapeshifter	Vorpal: firefox
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2022-05-28 17:56:24	Vorpal	Shapeshifter: not sure (as I use pipewire), but I would assume firefox uses pulse, pipewire or similar, not alsa directly
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2022-05-28 17:56:37	Vorpal	do anything you play through those layers work?
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2022-05-28 17:57:53	mingdao	Vorpal: Last OT for the day.  You mentioned moving ... this is enlightening ... https://www.al.com/news/2019/08/the-history-of-alabama-in-six-minutes.html
2022-05-28 17:57:54	phrik	Title: The History of Alabama in six minutes - al.com (at www.al.com)
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2022-05-28 18:03:06	Shapeshifter	Vorpal: thanks for the hint. disabling pipewire solved the issue, i.e. firefox is now also using alsa directly.
2022-05-28 18:04:05	Vorpal	Shapeshifter: why would you want that? nevermind I don't want to know
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2022-05-28 18:06:44	thrice	because pipewire and pulseaudio are bl0t
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2022-05-28 18:08:07	Edu4rdSHL	delete systemd too, it's bl0t
2022-05-28 18:10:12	Shapeshifter	alsa is the only architecture where I was able to figoure out how to get simultaneous output on my headphones and S/P-DIF, while also adding an equalizer to my S/P-DIF output ONLY.
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2022-05-28 18:11:18	Shapeshifter	pipewire apparently needs to go via jack to get any kind of equalizer. i never managed to hook up pulseaudio-equalizer for S/P-DIF only. Actually, I can't even control S/P-DIF volume in pulseaudio at all. I probably need to mess around with softvol or something to make it work.
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2022-05-28 18:13:03	Vorpal	Shapeshifter: hm pipewire doesn't need jack for eq. pipewire replaces jack and pulseaudio. 
2022-05-28 18:13:06	shalokshalom	is there any notion in the known literature of constantly updating systems?
2022-05-28 18:13:06	shalokshalom	Like, constantly updating as in every system is applying all the updates constantly in a VM, that automatically reboots once critical reboot-needing updates come in 
2022-05-28 18:13:14	shalokshalom	Something like that
2022-05-28 18:13:54	Vorpal	Shapeshifter: you can use easyeffects for eq but I don't know if you can do it only for some outputs. You can get a patch bay using helvum or qpwgraph so maybe.
2022-05-28 18:14:03	thrice	shalokshalom: hm, which literature do you mean?
2022-05-28 18:14:14	thrice	(also, what is your real question?)
2022-05-28 18:14:29	shalokshalom	well, if its possible
2022-05-28 18:14:37	shalokshalom	in a real manner
2022-05-28 18:14:46	thrice	anything is possible
2022-05-28 18:14:49	shalokshalom	sensible
2022-05-28 18:14:53	MacGyver	On zombo.com
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2022-05-28 18:15:53	thrice	typically one doesn't want to automatically apply updates that automatically reboot, etc. though
2022-05-28 18:16:01	teraflops	shalokshalom: you want to know what's the point of being as most upstream (related to software) as you can?
2022-05-28 18:16:10	shalokshalom	no
2022-05-28 18:16:18	shalokshalom	its more about being in sync
2022-05-28 18:16:27	shalokshalom	like, when multiple users are doing it 
2022-05-28 18:16:30	MacGyver	teraflops: So you can postpone updates without getting as out-of-date as Debian?
2022-05-28 18:17:14	teraflops	shalokshalom: only one instance of the package manager can be run
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2022-05-28 18:18:09	teraflops	you can try it yourself, try to run pacman -Syu in 2 terminals at the same time
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2022-05-28 18:21:19	teraflops	to be honest I do not know if that was what you were asking for
2022-05-28 18:21:27	◣	HaMsTeRs (~Thunderbi@210.3.201.132) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-05-28 18:23:32	MacGyver	I think they're basically wondering what would happen if you just while 1; do pacman -Syu --noconfirm; done
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2022-05-28 18:34:51	susi	further details are classified
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2022-05-28 18:47:03	ville	how do i disable tls1.0 and 1.1 for opensmtpd? it would seem that the "protocols" option for "listen on" could do the trick, but what is the correct syntax?
2022-05-28 18:47:46	ville	the documentation isn't very forthcoming with a concrete example of the usage
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2022-05-28 18:48:21	Khorne	Is it not?
2022-05-28 18:48:49	ville	not that i could see no
2022-05-28 18:48:54	Khorne	https://man.openbsd.org/smtpd.conf#protocols~2
2022-05-28 18:48:56	phrik	Title: smtpd.conf(5) - OpenBSD manual pages (at man.openbsd.org)
2022-05-28 18:48:58	Khorne	Looks pretty complete
2022-05-28 18:49:18	ville	yes and what is the exact syntax for the protostr
2022-05-28 18:49:34	Khorne	Refer to the tls_config_parse_protocols(3) manpage for the format of protostr.
2022-05-28 18:49:46	ville	i've. and i can't figure it out
2022-05-28 18:49:52	Khorne	What seems to be the problem?
2022-05-28 18:50:00	ville	i don't know how to use it
2022-05-28 18:50:08	Khorne	There's a list of valid keywords
2022-05-28 18:50:10	Khorne	Use those
2022-05-28 18:50:28	Khorne	It also explains how negation works for keywords to forbid protocol versions
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2022-05-28 18:50:51	susi	I think shalokshalom has multiple systems they want to keep in-sync, and wants to know about running -Syu at certain intervals
2022-05-28 18:51:20	susi	or keeping those multiple systems in-sync
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2022-05-28 18:51:43	ville	i've tried all manner of possible ways to use the tlsv1.0... but all result in syntax error on startup. so at this point i'd just like a known working concrete example
2022-05-28 18:51:53	BrainDamage	you can use a shared cache to ensure all systems use the same package versions
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2022-05-28 18:53:17	Khorne	ville, listen on foo tls protocols !tlsv1.0,!tlsv1.1,!tlsv1.2,tlsv1.3
2022-05-28 18:53:40	MacGyver	ville: Quite literally "secure" should be sufficient.
2022-05-28 18:54:13	ville	both: protocols secure and protocols "secure" results in syntax error on startup
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2022-05-28 18:55:03	MacGyver	ville: And "all"?
2022-05-28 18:55:13	MacGyver	Because at this point I'm suspicious about the rest of the config file.
2022-05-28 18:56:37	ville	it works otherwise. i can get email through both ways. just can't seem to figure out how to use the "protocols" option
2022-05-28 18:57:21	MacGyver	Yes, but I'm wondering whether the issue is with the protocolstring you're inputting or with the line you're inputting it with.
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2022-05-28 18:59:17	ville	https://bpa.st/DVEA that's the working version of it
2022-05-28 18:59:18	phrik	Title: View paste DVEA (at bpa.st)
2022-05-28 19:00:02	ville	trying to stick "protocols secure" for example on lines 15, 20 or 21 fails on startup
2022-05-28 19:00:14	MacGyver	But where are you sticking that?
2022-05-28 19:00:28	ville	at the end of it
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2022-05-28 19:01:31	ville	i don't belive the syntax is positionl, other than don't stick it in between say "pki" and its value
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2022-05-28 19:04:23	MacGyver	So what if you use "protocols all"?
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2022-05-28 19:05:10	ville	any particular line?
2022-05-28 19:06:19	ville	at the end of line 20 putting: protocols all or protocols "all" fails on startup
2022-05-28 19:06:33	MacGyver	Right.
2022-05-28 19:06:49	MacGyver	Can you check the on-system manpage for smtpd.conf?
2022-05-28 19:06:58	ville	no because they are not installed
2022-05-28 19:07:05	ville	or man isn't i guess
2022-05-28 19:07:09	MacGyver	Then install man.
2022-05-28 19:07:25	MacGyver	Because I've got a sneaking suspicion opensmtpd in Arch doesn't support the protocols option at all.
2022-05-28 19:08:13	ville	well that would seem like it's the case, or the man pages don't mention it
2022-05-28 19:08:42	ville	or "ciphers"
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2022-05-28 19:09:24	MacGyver	ciphers might be what you need.
2022-05-28 19:09:48	ville	i just wanted to disable TLS <1.2 in general so protocols seemed like the correct option
2022-05-28 19:10:21	MacGyver	Yes, well, apparently you don't get that option with the opensmtpd arch ships.
2022-05-28 19:10:32	MacGyver	Have you tried actually running a TLS check against the server, btw?
2022-05-28 19:10:46	MacGyver	You might find it defaults to disabled <1.2.
2022-05-28 19:11:10	ville	MacGyver: no 1.0 is on...
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2022-05-28 19:11:42	ville	but at least looking at the output of: `nmap --script ssl-enum-ciphers -p 465 domain.tld` the reported ciphers seem reasonable
2022-05-28 19:11:50	MacGyver	Then you probably want to pass TLSv1.2 to smtp ciphers.
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2022-05-28 19:12:33	ville	"ciphers" option doesn't work either
2022-05-28 19:12:42	MacGyver	No, it's not an option in the listen string.
2022-05-28 19:12:53	MacGyver	It's a separate action.
2022-05-28 19:12:59	MacGyver	"smtp ciphers TLSv1.2
2022-05-28 19:13:01	MacGyver	"
2022-05-28 19:13:03	MacGyver	That's it.
2022-05-28 19:13:12	MacGyver	Probably the best you're gonna get.
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2022-05-28 19:13:39	MacGyver	But again, the default on that might be *more* restrictive even if it looks like TLS1.0 is turned on.
2022-05-28 19:13:41	susi	shalokshalom: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Network_shared_pacman_cache
2022-05-28 19:13:43	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-05-28 19:14:22	ville	ok, in the man page: https://man.openbsd.org/smtpd.conf it's also an option for "listen on"
2022-05-28 19:14:24	phrik	Title: smtpd.conf(5) - OpenBSD manual pages (at man.openbsd.org)
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2022-05-28 19:15:34	MacGyver	Yes, but that's not the version you're running.
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2022-05-28 19:15:55	MacGyver	I don't know why but the version arch ships doesn't support the option you want.
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2022-05-28 19:20:39	jayray	anyone using the ansible pacman module to upgrade? docs say the update_cache option is going away - is there a replacement function?
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2022-05-28 19:21:21	ville	MacGyver: the original set of tls and ciphers looked like: https://bpa.st/Q6NA with "smtp ciphers TLSv1.2" now it looks like: https://bpa.st/DE2Q
2022-05-28 19:21:22	phrik	Title: View paste Q6NA (at bpa.st)
2022-05-28 19:21:24	ville	MacGyver: thanks
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2022-05-28 19:22:17	jayray	... nevermind I read the docs wrong
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2022-05-28 19:22:28	jayray	its still valid to use
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2022-05-28 19:23:16	ville	also appears to be case-sensitive: "smtp ciphers tlsv1.2" doesn't fail to start but then scan shows nothing
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2022-05-28 19:36:52	wyre	why pip doesn't detect python-wheel? 🤔 https://bpa.st/YNZA
2022-05-28 19:36:52	phrik	Title: View paste YNZA (at bpa.st)
2022-05-28 19:37:10	wyre	(inside an fresh venv)
2022-05-28 19:37:14	wyre	s/an/a/
2022-05-28 19:37:18	Vorpal	wyre: yay would install on the system not in venv
2022-05-28 19:37:25	Vorpal	you need pip to install things in the venv
2022-05-28 19:37:46	wyre	Vorpal, yay just executed pacman and pacman just says python-wheel is already installed
2022-05-28 19:37:47	Vorpal	it is a completely separate environment from the host python. Only the standard library is imported over
2022-05-28 19:37:56	Vorpal	wyre: yes on the host, not in the venv
2022-05-28 19:38:00	wyre	so ... that's why I'm asking why pip didn't detect wheel
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2022-05-28 19:38:08	Vorpal	that is the whole point of a venv
2022-05-28 19:38:28	wyre	oh, I see
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2022-05-28 19:38:43	Vorpal	a venv is a virtual environment that is separate from the host so you can have separate versions of python packages in it
2022-05-28 19:40:36	wyre	thank you Vorpal 😊
2022-05-28 19:41:51	Vorpal	wyre: I'm going to guess on at the context here and say that you shouldn't blindly follow instructions on the internet without understanding what it does :P
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2022-05-29 19:21:30	danielrparks	so what I ended up doing was leaving predictable interface names disabled, and then using it anyway in my systemd.network config for the device with `Property=ID_NET_NAME_PATH=wlp1s0`
2022-05-29 19:21:30	danielrparks	it's horrible, but at least if my card ends up as wlan2 for no reason, everything will still work
2022-05-29 19:23:53	sudoforge	so i've been having a weird issue for the past month or two, where my laptop disconnects from my WPA-3 AP intermittently, but reconnects within a few seconds. this is limited to this one laptop (no other devices have this issue), and dmesg logs aren't really useful in telling me what's going on: http://ix.io/3YTP. anybody have ideas to point me towards some debugging steps?
2022-05-29 19:28:19	sudoforge	it's a unifi flex hd AP, if that is of any use
2022-05-29 19:33:17	Vorpal	sudoforge: I guess you could try recording with wireshark/tshark to see if anything interesting happens on the network just before such an event?
2022-05-29 19:33:27	Vorpal	very difficult to debug in general though
2022-05-29 19:33:46	Vorpal	also try googling for issues with the wifi chipset in your laptop
2022-05-29 19:33:53	Vorpal	and does it happen under windows too?
2022-05-29 19:34:01	sudoforge	Vorpal: yeah, i've tried that (well, with termshark), but haven't seen anything that looks incriminating
2022-05-29 19:34:04	sudoforge	i don't use windows
2022-05-29 19:34:12	Warepire	sudoforge: The driver might expose extended debug logs through a module parameter as well
2022-05-29 19:34:13	sudoforge	searching the internet doesn't really turn anything up
2022-05-29 19:34:22	Vorpal	Warepire: oh, didn't think of that
2022-05-29 19:34:35	sudoforge	(and this is a new issue; i've had the same card for ~2y)
2022-05-29 19:34:56	Vorpal	sudoforge: firmware update on the AP? or on the laptop? kernel updates?
2022-05-29 19:35:20	birkoff	anyone know how to change the cursor size for lightdm webkit2 greeter ? I tried editing gdm-greeter settings and gtk-3.0/settings.ini but they don't affect
2022-05-29 19:35:26	sudoforge	Warepire: that's a solid idea, i'll look into it. it's an intel AX210r1a
2022-05-29 19:35:34	sudoforge	Vorpal: everything's always updated
2022-05-29 19:35:51	Vorpal	sudoforge: maybe new furniture that changes the radio reflections? Does it depend on where you are relative the AP? Does it happen with other APs (like your phone with wifi tethering for example)?
2022-05-29 19:36:11	Vorpal	sudoforge: I meant that maybe an update broke it. As in just before it started happeningf
2022-05-29 19:36:14	Vorpal	happening*
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2022-05-29 19:36:51	Vorpal	birkoff: no, but I'm fairly sure that gdm greeter settings would not affect webkit2 settings
2022-05-29 19:37:02	sudoforge	Vorpal: no changes to the AP's location, my workstation's location relative to the AP doesn't appear to have any effect, and that's a good idea to check; i'll hotspot with my phone (using the AP and cellular as backhaul) for a while and see if the issue still occurs
2022-05-29 19:37:03	Warepire	Back when I lived in an apartment it was almost impossible to get stable wifi because everyone was going on the google chromecast frenzy
2022-05-29 19:37:09	Vorpal	birkoff: since gdm is a different program
2022-05-29 19:37:34	birkoff	i meant lightdm greeter
2022-05-29 19:37:36	Vorpal	sudoforge: that is probably wpa2 though. Might be interesting to try another wpa3 if you have access to that
2022-05-29 19:37:41	sudoforge	Vorpal: an update causing this issue is _possible_, but given that no other devices connected to the AP see the same issue, it'd definitely be limited to my laptop
2022-05-29 19:37:53	sudoforge	Vorpal: i can broadcast a WPA-3 network with my phone.
2022-05-29 19:38:11	Vorpal	sudoforge: right. That is another thing to try as well then. See if it related to WPA3 or not
2022-05-29 19:38:38	sudoforge	well, i can say with certainty that WPA-3 wasn't causing this issue up until a few months ago
2022-05-29 19:38:55	Vorpal	sudoforge: again, firmware update might have broken wpa3
2022-05-29 19:38:58	sudoforge	right
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2022-05-29 19:39:42	Vorpal	sudoforge: how often does it happen? If it is quite rare it might also be tricky to determine if any action "fixed it"
2022-05-29 19:40:09	sudoforge	it's not all that rare; it is definitely intermittent but usually happens several times an hour
2022-05-29 19:40:30	Vorpal	right, so a few hours should be good then for testing
2022-05-29 19:40:34	sudoforge	mhm
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2022-05-29 19:42:02	Vorpal	sudoforge: if there are any other variables you could try (2.4GHz vs 5 GHz) etc, that might also be worth experimenting with
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2022-05-29 19:42:26	sudoforge	yeah, i'll add that to the matrice of things to check
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2022-05-29 19:43:20	Vorpal	sudoforge: I haven't used that unifi product. But if it is like their more professional gear (with the central management) there is also a heck of a lot of settings you could tweak on that side
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2022-05-29 19:43:54	sudoforge	i've already run through the controller / AP side of things
2022-05-29 19:43:55	Vorpal	I had some device (forgot what it was, probably an IOT thing) I had to turn off "fast something or other" for to get it working.
2022-05-29 19:44:09	sudoforge	but given that no other device i have experiences the same issue, it's unlikely to be the AP
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2022-05-29 19:44:12	Vorpal	(this was a few years ago, don't remember exactly what)
2022-05-29 19:44:32	Vorpal	sudoforge: I found that bugs can be between specific pairs of devices, especially when it comes to wifi
2022-05-29 19:44:48	sudoforge	i have other devices on the same band and radio so /shrug
2022-05-29 19:45:04	Vorpal	really, knowing what I know about how wifi works I'm amazed it works at all
2022-05-29 19:45:13	sudoforge	haha yeah, it's all very much a black box
2022-05-29 19:45:19	sudoforge	(to me)
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2022-05-29 19:45:34	sudoforge	something something radios, signals, ~magic~, connection
2022-05-29 19:46:42	Vorpal	I know a bit about the magic bit for earlier wifi (really don't know much about anything newer than 11g though)
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2022-05-29 19:59:11	xt28	Does anyone here use the fwupd-refresh.service that comes with the fwupd package? For me, running that unit always fails with exit code 1, while running the command manually (`fwupdmgr refresh`) works just fine. Any hints on how to debug this?
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2022-05-29 20:00:39	Edu4rdSHL	Check the journal logs
2022-05-29 20:00:50	Edu4rdSHL	And systemctl status
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2022-05-29 20:01:32	Vorpal	apparently KDE has a thing where it can put an icon on programs that play sound in the task bar. It doesn't seem to work properly though
2022-05-29 20:02:02	◣	vitali64 (~vitali64@user/vitali64) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2022-05-29 20:02:07	xt28	Edu4rdSHL: That's how I know the exit code is 1.
2022-05-29 20:02:11	Vorpal	It doesn't work for flatpaks nor native programs that use jack. Pulse audio and alsa seem to work. that is the reason I'm looking for a native pipewire program. 
2022-05-29 20:02:25	Edu4rdSHL	xt28, that says nothing, check the journal
2022-05-29 20:03:41	Edu4rdSHL	https://i.imgur.com/1znFGVD.png it works fine here
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2022-05-29 20:04:16	Vorpal	Edu4rdSHL: fancy prompt, what is it?
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2022-05-29 20:04:46	Vorpal	takes up a bit too much vertical space for my personal taste, but it still looks good
2022-05-29 20:05:24	Edu4rdSHL	Vorpal, manual bash config https://paste.rs/ET8 there's the PS1
2022-05-29 20:05:41	Vorpal	oh, I would have expected zsh given that it was a fancy prompt
2022-05-29 20:05:52	xt28	Hmmm. For me, it just says "code=exited, status=1/FAILURE", which, as you pointed out, says nothing.
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2022-05-29 20:07:08	xt28	Edu4rdSHL: ^
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2022-05-29 20:08:15	Edu4rdSHL	Vorpal, :p it even have git branch tracking: https://i.imgur.com/stOgGbK.png
2022-05-29 20:08:33	Vorpal	Edu4rdSHL: nice
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2022-05-29 20:08:50	Edu4rdSHL	xt28, start the service and post the output of `systemctl status fwupd-refresh.service` and `journalctl -rn 100`
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2022-05-29 20:09:12	Vorpal	I use zsh though, so once I realised it was bash my interest dropped significantly. Still cool you can do that in bash too
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2022-05-29 20:10:04	Edu4rdSHL	Hehehehe, I haven't found one reason to switch to zsh or something like that yet. I just love bash, and Xorg. :D
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2022-05-29 20:12:32	xt28	Edu4rdSHL: http://ix.io/3YU0
2022-05-29 20:13:40	xt28	Edu4rdSHL: I might be wrong, but I think the pertinent part would be "code=exited, status=1/FAILURE", which still is not very helpful.
2022-05-29 20:13:49	◣	mokulus (~mokulus@user/mokulus) ha salido (Client Quit)
2022-05-29 20:13:55	Edu4rdSHL	xt28, and `journalctl -rn 100`
2022-05-29 20:14:02	Edu4rdSHL	Also, systemctl cat fwupd-refresh.service
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2022-05-29 20:15:07	xt28	Edu4rdSHL: The journal is flooded with messages about snd_hda_intel, which is almost certainly a separate problem. Do you want to see these messages?
2022-05-29 20:15:12	Edu4rdSHL	I wonder if the service has just entered in a failed state and is refusing to start
2022-05-29 20:15:23	Edu4rdSHL	xt28, > start the service and post the output of `systemctl status fwupd-refresh.service` and `journalctl -rn 100`
2022-05-29 20:15:33	Edu4rdSHL	There should be something about the service for sure
2022-05-29 20:15:44	Edu4rdSHL	If you start it and then post the output of the commands
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2022-05-29 20:19:14	xt28	Yes.
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2022-05-29 20:19:40	xt28	Edu4rdSHL: journal http://ix.io/3YU2
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2022-05-29 20:21:05	edgy	Hi, I ran docker-compose and it failed, then I installed containerd and it works. Shouldn't it be in the dependencies list for the package?
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2022-05-29 20:23:31	Edu4rdSHL	xt28, well, really weird. Do you have SELinux?
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2022-05-29 20:24:36	xt28	Edu4rdSHL: No.
2022-05-29 20:24:46	Edu4rdSHL	edgy, so, you were using docker-compose without having docker installed?
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2022-05-29 20:25:33	edgy	Edu4rdSHL: yes, I have podman installed as a docker replacement
2022-05-29 20:26:40	Vorpal	seems a bit odd that docker-compose doesn't depend on docker (unless it can work with other backends). And if that is the case there should be an optdepend
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2022-05-29 20:27:10	Edu4rdSHL	edgy, then use podman-compose
2022-05-29 20:27:11	Edu4rdSHL	;)
2022-05-29 20:28:05	edgy	Edu4rdSHL: I tried podman-compose but it failed. if you are pretty sure, it should work I can try again and show you the error
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2022-05-29 20:30:04	edgy	Edu4rdSHL: according to https://podman.io/getting-started/installation "The latest version of runc is expected to be installed on the system. It is picked up as the default runtime by Podman"
2022-05-29 20:30:06	phrik	Title: Podman Installation (at podman.io)
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2022-05-29 20:30:51	edgy	Vorpal: yes, my understanding docker-compose and can work with podman instead of docker
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2022-05-29 20:32:29	jelle	edgy: where did you read that?
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2022-05-29 20:33:13	jelle	edgy: https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/podman-docker-compose aaah
2022-05-29 20:33:44	edgy	jelle: beside I tried it myself
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2022-05-29 20:39:00	sozuba	back home after a year, log-in and system works flawless, but then updated my arch, unable to boot due to issue with plymouth (removed and was able to boot), no network (now sorted), and finally unable to start X server. I read the issue is with intel drivers. I have haswell. Been running around in circles. Remvoed all drivers, but mesa is installed. Please help. Posting error log in a few
2022-05-29 20:39:02	sozuba	seconds 
2022-05-29 20:39:07	sozuba	!paste
2022-05-29 20:39:08	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-05-29 20:40:35	sozuba	Xorg.0.log -> http://ix.io/3YU7
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2022-05-29 20:41:08	jelle	ah, so X segfaults
2022-05-29 20:41:11	Namarrgon	that's an old log
2022-05-29 20:41:33	Namarrgon	unless you still haven't updated to 5.18
2022-05-29 20:41:47	sozuba	error says segmentation fault, tried changing the AcccelMethod as mention in on of the forum post, didn't work
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2022-05-29 20:41:50	Namarrgon	and get rid of xf86-video-intel
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2022-05-29 20:42:44	sozuba	Namarrgon,sorry yes i removed xf86-video-intel. but again tried installign before the previous xorg run. will do the same and post the log again
2022-05-29 20:43:04	Namarrgon	uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2022-05-29 20:43:42	jelle	do you have a custom Xorg config?
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2022-05-29 20:45:27	sozuba	Namarrgon, version 5.18 ? you mean xorg?
2022-05-29 20:45:41	sozuba	posting uname && in a few seconds
2022-05-29 20:46:03	edgy	sozuba: why not try wayland instead? ;)
2022-05-29 20:46:52	xt28	Edu4rdSHL: So, any idea?
2022-05-29 20:47:00	sozuba	xorg log (clean) -> http://ix.io/3YUb
2022-05-29 20:47:07	sozuba	Namarrgon,^^^
2022-05-29 20:48:09	Namarrgon	remove all the xorg.conf.d snippets that reference the "intel" driver
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2022-05-29 20:50:45	sozuba	Namarrgon, uname -r -> 5.17.9-arch1-1, pacman -Q linux -> linux 5.17.9.arch1-1
2022-05-29 20:50:54	sozuba	removing all xorg snippet
2022-05-29 20:51:18	Namarrgon	find a mirror that has already synced, you're at least a kernel release behind
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2022-05-29 20:51:43	Namarrgon	who knows what else is out of date
2022-05-29 20:52:00	sozuba	strange i just updated multiple times yesterday 
2022-05-29 20:52:12	sozuba	now when i update i can see 5.18
2022-05-29 20:52:21	sozuba	okay, changing mirrors and doing a full update
2022-05-29 20:52:31	sozuba	and also removing all xorg.conf.d snippets
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2022-05-29 20:53:49	sozuba	Namarrgon, i can leave touchpad conf as it is right?
2022-05-29 20:53:55	sozuba	or should i remove that too?
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2022-05-29 20:55:23	Namarrgon	you can probably keep it
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2022-05-29 20:57:54	sozuba	thanks
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2022-05-29 20:59:39	sozuba	will update here one mirrors synced and updated
2022-05-29 20:59:43	sozuba	once*
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2022-05-29 21:04:14	sozuba	edgy, definitely will try wayland. Been thinking about it for a while, but first i want to get into to my DTE :D
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2022-05-29 21:05:32	sozuba	jelle, no i don't remember having a custom xorg.conf
2022-05-29 21:05:49	edgy	sozuba: what DTE you use?
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2022-05-29 21:06:15	sozuba	sorry for the late reply, working on tyy and so its hard to handle things, ia m not one of the smart ones that can live on console and tty :D
2022-05-29 21:06:26	Vorpal	[20:51] <Namarrgon> find a mirror that has already synced, you're at least a kernel release behind <-- I had severe issues the last two days with many mirrors being out of sync
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2022-05-29 21:06:36	Vorpal	took until the fourth one I tried today
2022-05-29 21:06:39	sozuba	thank god i installed weechat, so much helpful
2022-05-29 21:06:55	Vorpal	Namarrgon: usually core seems be behind while extra is updated
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2022-05-29 21:07:06	sozuba	edgy, KDE Plasma
2022-05-29 21:07:34	sozuba	alsthough I have moved to WMs now, awesomewm
2022-05-29 21:07:37	Namarrgon	Vorpal: the repos aren't synced inbetween each other, even if they come from the same mirror
2022-05-29 21:07:42	Namarrgon	it's a mess
2022-05-29 21:07:43	edgy	sozuba: me too, using KDE Plasma with wayland
2022-05-29 21:08:10	Vorpal	Namarrgon: it is especially a mess when extra contain prebuilt external kernel modules (nvidia, virtualbox etc) that depend on specific version of the kernel in core
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2022-05-29 21:08:33	Vorpal	and nvidia doesn't depend strictly on a specific version of linux, the dependency is under-specified
2022-05-29 21:08:35	sozuba	not on this, but on another one, which i spilled milk (its work laptop anyway :))
2022-05-29 21:09:21	sozuba	edgy, KDE plasma is awesome, but unfortunately my personal laptop is too old to not get heatup easily
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2022-05-29 21:09:26	Vorpal	I wouldn't mind so much i pacman would report an error and fail. Silently breaking my system I'm not a fan of though
2022-05-29 21:09:46	sozuba	once this issue is sorted i would have to try different WMs to see which requires less cpus
2022-05-29 21:09:48	Namarrgon	that'll teach you to not use external crap!
2022-05-29 21:10:22	edgy	sozuba: I see no reason you don't install wayland alongside the update and check
2022-05-29 21:10:36	xt28	Edu4rdSHL: Gotta go. Thanks for trying to help.
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2022-05-29 21:10:51	Vorpal	Namarrgon: unfortunately I'm not in a position to buy a different GPU for now. And for my work laptop (that I run arch on too, yay for self administration for comp sci researchers) I absolutely need cuda
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2022-05-29 21:12:00	Namarrgon	i blame your career :P
2022-05-29 21:12:07	money	whos
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2022-05-29 21:12:38	Vorpal	Namarrgon: right. I think we are loosing focus here though on the underspecified dependency
2022-05-29 21:12:49	Vorpal	I guess using the -dkms package is the better solution
2022-05-29 21:12:57	Vorpal	at least for now
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2022-05-29 21:16:45	Namarrgon	Vorpal: that's the downside of arch's gernerally-unversioned dependencies
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2022-05-29 21:23:03	sozuba	reflector is taking too long ranking mirrors :(
2022-05-29 21:23:29	Namarrgon	pick one yourself
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2022-05-29 21:23:58	Edu4rdSHL	cloudflaremirrors.com - do not accept resumes but is probably the faster
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2022-05-29 21:27:40	sozuba	Namarrgon, when it comes to mirrors, some reaon i believe i am not competent enough to choose, usually i have browser to help me out, but now using elinks is hard. :D anyway as Edu4rdSHL i will try cloudflare mirrors then
2022-05-29 21:27:50	sozuba	thanks Edu4rdSHL 
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2022-05-29 21:31:45	Vorpal	[21:23] <sozuba> reflector is taking too long ranking mirrors :( <-- consider limiting it to fewer countries?
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2022-05-30 18:53:11	Vorpal	why on earth does libreoffice default to paper size "letter" suddenly. That is really annoying
2022-05-30 18:53:15	Vorpal	I live in A4-land
2022-05-30 19:01:10	lambda	Vorpal: /etc/papersize
2022-05-30 19:01:56	Vorpal	ah, indeed, it wasn't set on this laptop
2022-05-30 19:02:07	Vorpal	I guess I haven't used it before on here, only on my desktop
2022-05-30 19:05:15	jirido	I look for some program that can talk to different rest APIs trough json and can have like full plugin for different apis and be able to be used trough a gui.. Am I out sailing here..? 
2022-05-30 19:05:55	DeepDayze	Vorpal: think you can set /etc/papersize to A4 to be your default
2022-05-30 19:06:16	artefact	or change your locale
2022-05-30 19:06:21	jirido	litle like a local settings interface to manage different resources with.. 
2022-05-30 19:06:22	Vorpal	jirido: what do you want to use it for?
2022-05-30 19:06:30	DeepDayze	that too...doublecheck your locale
2022-05-30 19:06:30	Vorpal	DeepDayze: that is what I did yes
2022-05-30 19:06:35	artefact	also took me a while to realise "wtf, why is cal(1) starting weeks on a sunday"
2022-05-30 19:06:46	jirido	do things with google and cloudflare.. and such
2022-05-30 19:07:07	Vorpal	jirido: there is a addon for browsers if you want to use it for debugging REST APIs
2022-05-30 19:07:08	jirido	instead of loging in
2022-05-30 19:07:14	Vorpal	postman or something I think it was called
2022-05-30 19:07:33	Vorpal	never used it myself, but spoke to a web dev who was enthusiastic about it once 
2022-05-30 19:07:34	jirido	not for debugging as much as for controlling and running
2022-05-30 19:07:46	Vorpal	no idea then
2022-05-30 19:08:37	jirido	ok.. I find all menues so confucing in this webapps. A well documented plugin based manipulation program would be my dream
2022-05-30 19:08:40	Vorpal	artefact: my locale is... complicated. And many programs don't like it. LANG=sv_SE.UTF-8, LC_MESSAGES=en_GB.UTF-8
2022-05-30 19:08:49	jirido	thanks
2022-05-30 19:09:13	Vorpal	artefact: maybe libreoffice doesn't handle the precendence rules for locale parsing properly.
2022-05-30 19:09:26	Vorpal	anyway adding something to papersize helped
2022-05-30 19:09:43	Vorpal	doesn't look like it cared for LC_PAPER
2022-05-30 19:12:45	DeepDayze	most apps should respect the /etc/papersize setting
2022-05-30 19:13:19	DeepDayze	so for a complicated locale setting you can set the papersize to what you want
2022-05-30 19:13:57	Vorpal	yeah
2022-05-30 19:14:09	DeepDayze	especially if you also use oddball keyboard layouts even
2022-05-30 19:14:43	DeepDayze	multilingual people may run into these annoyances too
2022-05-30 19:15:43	Vorpal	I don't think paper size is related to keyboard layout. I sure hope it isn't
2022-05-30 19:16:07	Vorpal	but no I use standard Swedish qwerty. Not svorak (Swedish dvorak) or anything like that
2022-05-30 19:16:46	Vorpal	I have come across some software where the key bindings only work properly on US layout though because they would require the AltGr key here
2022-05-30 19:17:03	Vorpal	and sometimes those keybindings can't be rebound. In which case it is pretty crap software
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2022-05-30 19:51:09	Vorpal	good to know, so if I need a post install script that depends on executing something from another package I should do it in a hook so it is executed at the end? If install order is arbitrary that seems like the only way to make sure it is installed
2022-05-30 19:51:44	agregory	install order is not arbitrary
2022-05-30 19:51:52	lambda	unless there's a chance that the thing you need to be installed also depends on your package somehow, it will always be installed first
2022-05-30 19:52:22	mpan	agregory: >> provides <<
2022-05-30 19:52:25	Vorpal	that makes a lot more sense and is what I would expect yeah
2022-05-30 19:52:38	agregory	mpan: irrelevant
2022-05-30 19:52:45	Vorpal	I know things can install before their optdepends (I have seen pacman print [pending])
2022-05-30 19:52:51	agregory	if package a depends on package b, b will be installed first
2022-05-30 19:53:09	agregory	whether it's througha provides or not
2022-05-30 19:53:31	mpan	If I have a package freetype2-mpan provides freetype2 installed (with no harfbuzz dep) and then I install harfbuzz… 
2022-05-30 19:54:55	agregory	mpan: then what?
2022-05-30 19:55:13	mpan	Then the order will not be harfbuzz → freetype.
2022-05-30 19:55:32	agregory	there will be no order, freetype2 won't be installed because you already have it installed
2022-05-30 19:55:49	agregory	you'll just install harfbuzz by itself
2022-05-30 19:56:16	mpan	What if I install freetype2 replacing freetype2-mpan too?
2022-05-30 19:56:30	mpan	Oh, then harfbuzz will be installed already. So nothing breaks indeed.
2022-05-30 19:57:35	mpan	What if my packages is named mpan-freetype2 (provides freetype2) and depends on harfbuzz, tho? Both installed at the same time?
2022-05-30 19:59:30	mpan	The order is of course still defined, but only between those two packages. I seriously doubt that depending on package’s name to tell whether it installs properly or not is a good idea.
2022-05-30 20:00:01	agregory	what?
2022-05-30 20:01:24	Dotz0cat	What is a good software to check the crc hash?
2022-05-30 20:01:59	susi	Dotz0cat: cksum
2022-05-30 20:02:28	susi	depends on CRC
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2022-05-30 20:03:19	agregory	mpan: i have no idea what you're trying to say
2022-05-30 20:03:20	Dotz0cat	crc32 I think
2022-05-30 20:03:28	susi	Dotz0cat: cksum
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2022-05-30 20:03:43	Sout_	yep lots of subtle difference in crc. /me shudders
2022-05-30 20:03:43	kuhilas	installed mesa and xf86-video-intel. Then installed i3 and tried running `startx /usr/bin/i3  it starts the window manager, I see a proper mouse cursor, the i3status bar at bottom shows proper colors but instead of text I see just ##### and box characters and in the middle of the screen also wrong characters. Do I need to install some font package or I wonder what's wrong
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2022-05-30 20:04:23	susi	Sout_: yeah, my bad, probably no plurality of algos
2022-05-30 20:04:36	mpan	agregory: that the warning about harfbuzz being installed before freetype2 is not a problem.
2022-05-30 20:04:53	kuhilas	the default xinitrc file runs xclock and xterm which I don't have installed so I just wanted to immediately try this i3
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2022-05-30 20:05:40	Namarrgon	kuhilas: install some vector fonts
2022-05-30 20:05:50	Sout_	hehe lol i just dealt with it fun spending a day+ why your crc's are not matching up. only to discover some one used the wrong polinomial (was a BE vs LE thing) susi :D
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2022-05-30 20:05:56	Namarrgon	kuhilas: copy the stock xinitrc over to ~/.xinitrc and midify it
2022-05-30 20:05:58	Namarrgon	*modify
2022-05-30 20:06:20	mpan	Sout_: s/wrong/different/
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2022-05-30 20:10:31	kuhilas	namarrghon ok. Arch wiki has extensive info about fontconfig and stuff, but all I would need now would be to install some vector fonts?
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2022-05-30 20:12:16	Namarrgon	kuhilas: it would be enough to fix the i3 pop-ups
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2022-05-30 20:14:09	kuhilas	got it fixed by installing xorg-fonts-misc package thanks
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2022-05-30 20:14:31	Namarrgon	that's a less than optimal choice
2022-05-30 20:14:41	Namarrgon	pick something like the noto fonts
2022-05-30 20:15:12	Namarrgon	-misc is a bunch of obsolete bitmap fonts
2022-05-30 20:17:27	kuhilas	I don't like google, I installed some adobe-source-code-pro-fonts jsut to pick some random. Now that I have the xorg-fonts-misc package installed too, I have no idea what takes precedence etc if it matters
2022-05-30 20:19:43	ℹ 	machaddr_ es conocido ahora como machaddr
2022-05-30 20:20:48	artefact	check with fc-match
2022-05-30 20:20:55	Namarrgon	the application and fontconfig configs will determine which one has precedence
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2022-05-30 20:21:16	Manouchehri	incredibly stupid question that I'm having a hard time google'ing for: is there a wiki for describing how the official packages are built? https://archlinux.org/packages/
2022-05-30 20:21:19	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2022-05-30 20:21:58	Namarrgon	Manouchehri: they are built with makepkg in a chroot.
2022-05-30 20:22:20	Manouchehri	Namarrgon: are they built manually by official developers and then uploaded?
2022-05-30 20:22:34	Namarrgon	yes
2022-05-30 20:22:50	Manouchehri	there's no automated build bots?
2022-05-30 20:23:09	derzahl	dood, does anyone use zfsbootmenu on arch or understand how?  it looks cool but the docs are schizo as hell, or im just really dumb
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2022-05-30 20:23:39	Namarrgon	Manouchehri: semi-automated systems are used for large rebuilds sometimes
2022-05-30 20:23:40	artefact	i also had a hard time finding out what the systems compiler is
2022-05-30 20:23:53	Manouchehri	Namarrgon: is there a wiki page describing the process?
2022-05-30 20:24:01	Namarrgon	i don't think so
2022-05-30 20:24:37	derzahl	was gonna making a PKGBUILD since there doesnt seem to be any and it's setup scripts just toss files willy nilly over /usr
2022-05-30 20:24:39	Manouchehri	ah thanks, then I'm not as a big of an idiot as I initially thought
2022-05-30 20:25:47	derzahl	but i 1) need to recompile zfsbootmenu to use zfs-git
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2022-05-30 20:27:57	derzahl	been skipping back and forth back and forth through disjointed docs, scripts, dockerbuilds and now feel like i just ate 5 grams of msuhrooms....please, somebody, have the answers
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2022-05-31 12:33:22	chris_99	Hi, has anyone got problems with virtualbox/vagrant not booting VMs anymore since this week? I can see a call trace for ' asm_exc_control_protection+0x22/0x30' that occurs i think when i run a VM
2022-05-31 13:34:26	SysGhost	I stopped using virtualbox a while ago myself. Lemme see if I have any such vm's left in my dark storages.
2022-05-31 13:38:32	SysGhost	Works as intended here.
2022-05-31 13:38:49	chris_99	hmm interesting, cheers
2022-05-31 13:39:11	chris_99	not sure if it makes any difference but i'm using vagrant to spawn the VM with virtualbox
2022-05-31 13:39:49	chris_99	are you on 5.18.1-arch1-1 or similar
2022-05-31 13:47:26	chris_99	oh fixed it somehow, with ibt=off in kernal params
2022-05-31 13:48:18	SysGhost	guest or host?
2022-05-31 13:49:52	chris_99	on my arch host
2022-05-31 13:52:55	SysGhost	intersting
2022-05-31 13:52:59	SysGhost	lemme check...
2022-05-31 13:54:26	SysGhost	5.18.1 is what I use. works
2022-05-31 13:54:47	SysGhost	I read online it might be nvidia related.
2022-05-31 13:56:37	SysGhost	chris_99: is it the vbox kernel module that crashes?
2022-05-31 13:56:52	SysGhost	...that causes the asm_exc_control_protection ?
2022-05-31 13:57:30	chris_99	yeah it looked like the vbox module to me, i don't have nvidia stuff 
2022-05-31 13:57:45	transhumanist	so sorry for the beginner questions, new to arch, I have a minimal arch web browser VM it has no network , only loop back, seems i can load the RTL-8029 kernel module but must build the network stack from scratch, anyone have any directions they could share on this? thanks in advance
2022-05-31 14:06:06	Namarrgon	transhumanist: what kind of vm is that? does the configuration of the vm include a wired connection?
2022-05-31 14:07:58	pagios	am i seen as connecting and disconnecting from channel?
2022-05-31 14:08:29	Namarrgon	no
2022-05-31 14:09:09	pagios	?
2022-05-31 14:09:40	Namarrgon	no, you are not seen as connecting and disconnecting from this channel
2022-05-31 14:12:44	transhumanist	lspci shows the device , but ifconfig only shows lo interface : the vm is https://copy.sh/v86/?profile=archlinux
2022-05-31 14:12:45	phrik	Title: Virtual x86 (at copy.sh)
2022-05-31 14:13:35	Namarrgon	does 'ip link' show the interface?
2022-05-31 14:13:47	Namarrgon	"ifconfig" is deprecated and often doesn't work anymore
2022-05-31 14:13:58	transhumanist	no it does not only lo
2022-05-31 14:15:15	transhumanist	I added ip_eth0= ,defaultiproute="via... and ifup_eth0 lines 
2022-05-31 14:15:22	transhumanist	to network
2022-05-31 14:15:48	transhumanist	its using openrc
2022-05-31 14:15:57	Namarrgon	that's not arch then
2022-05-31 14:16:18	transhumanist	interesting, it says it is
2022-05-31 14:17:22	Namarrgon	get a proper local vm with an official, current archiso
2022-05-31 14:17:34	transhumanist	ok
2022-05-31 14:17:34	Namarrgon	this is just a neat experiment
2022-05-31 14:17:38	transhumanist	thanks
2022-05-31 14:18:29	SysGhost	chris_99: Nice. It seems to a known issue with multiple kernel modules.
2022-05-31 14:27:19	SysGhost	Anyhow. I tested on three machines here. Seems to work just fine in all cases with 5.18.1 with no need for ibt=off
2022-05-31 14:29:22	SysGhost	Although... I don't have any machines with any new Intel CPU's. Seems to be something related only to the latest of Intels CPU's and chipsets.
2022-05-31 14:31:14	SysGhost	Just checked. IBT (Indirect Branch Tracking) is indeed a 12th generation Intel feature, and is what causes problems.
2022-05-31 14:31:33	chris_99	ah, cheers, will do some digging later more about that for curiousity
2022-05-31 14:32:31	jelle	it's just nvidia no?
2022-05-31 14:35:03	SysGhost	jelle: nah. nvidia is just one of the victims. kernel modules and executables that need to utilise  asm_exc_control_protection on Intel CPU's are what will crash.
2022-05-31 14:36:01	SysGhost	it'sa "security feature" intel introduced in their 12th generation.
2022-05-31 14:38:48	SysGhost	Already worked on: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/74886
2022-05-31 14:38:49	phrik	Title: FS#74886 : [nvidia] traps: Missing ENDBR with Linux 5.18.0-arch1 (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-05-31 14:41:06	SysGhost	That is what I like about linux. As soon as one hit a snag, you bet your moms a** that someone is already providing patches for testing before one can type it in.
2022-05-31 15:01:18	CyberShadow	Hi. Just wanted to report that Linux 5.18.1 doesn't boot for me, can't see one of two btrfs devices (in btrfs raid0) which are on different NVMe sticks. No problem with 5.17.9.
2022-05-31 15:07:44	artefact	do they have the same eui?
2022-05-31 15:07:50	enoq	is there a way to measure ram usage of a command?
2022-05-31 15:08:03	artefact	enoq: valgrind?
2022-05-31 15:08:08	enoq	trying to figure out the maximum a gradle build consumes
2022-05-31 15:09:56	CyberShadow	artefact: I haven't heard about EUI until today. How do I check?
2022-05-31 15:10:58	CyberShadow	All I can find is hints of symlinks in /dev/disk/by-id. Looking there, I see some nvme-eui.* symlinks, only pointing to one of the drives, so I think the answer to your question is likely "yes".
2022-05-31 15:21:57	artefact	CyberShadow: cat /sys/block/nvme*/eui
2022-05-31 15:22:17	artefact	there was a change in 5.18 nvme_core that didn't register drives with duplicate EUIs
2022-05-31 15:23:54	CyberShadow	Yes, they're the same. "64 79 a7 25 42 09 20 20"
2022-05-31 15:25:49	artefact	come to #btrfs
2022-05-31 15:26:01	CyberShadow	I'm there
2022-05-31 15:30:01	tsdh	susi: The https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Network_shared_pacman_cache trick with sticking "Server = other-local-machine:8080" in the mirrorlist doesn't work because the /var/cache/pacman/pkg/ published over http doesn't contain core.db, extra.db, and community.db files so I get 3 misses and that server isn't used for the rest of the transaction. :-(
2022-05-31 15:30:03	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-05-31 16:34:50	l_	VirtualBox won't start for me this morning.  "Failed to load VMMR0.r0 (VERR_SYMBOL_NOT_FOUND)."  Anyone else have this problem, or know a solution?
2022-05-31 16:37:12	jelle	second one :o
2022-05-31 16:40:57	l_	VBoxManage: error: '/home/l/Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack-6.1.34r150636.vbox-extpack' file not found
2022-05-31 16:41:27	w0lf	Good morning friends
2022-05-31 16:45:03	w0lf	I just setup a new arch box and I have a couple little things that I would really appreciate some help with, please.
2022-05-31 16:45:14	l_	vbox updated last night, but it seems that one file is now missing? Is this true only for me?
2022-05-31 16:45:38	w0lf	geforce rtx video card, two monitors:  console displays on monitor #2 ( right monitor ) , I want to switch that to the left.
2022-05-31 16:46:14	w0lf	also, even though I have xorg properly allowing me to use both monitors, fbsetbg -f sets the same wallpaper on both monitors, instead of spanning both.
2022-05-31 17:00:05	l_	Surely I'm not the only person using virtualbox. Is it working for anybody since the last update?
2022-05-31 17:00:45	chris_99	vbox doesn't work for me, until i added a kernel parameter
2022-05-31 17:01:01	chris_99	ibt=off
2022-05-31 17:01:32	chris_99	not sure if you've got the same issue as me though, i noticed a stack trace in dmesg
2022-05-31 17:02:39	l_	Thanks for responding, Chris.
2022-05-31 17:05:30	Vorpal	l_: works for me, but I don't have a CPU new enough for ibt
2022-05-31 17:16:24	l_	Thanks, Vorpal.
2022-05-31 17:55:19	w0lf	geforce rtx video card, two monitors:  console displays on monitor #2 ( right monitor ) , I want to switch that to the left.
2022-05-31 17:55:29	w0lf	anyone know how?
2022-05-31 17:58:18	Ingar	switch cables
2022-05-31 17:58:26	NetSysFire	probably a kernel parameter
2022-05-31 18:00:27	w0lf	NetSysFire: where would I look for that?
2022-05-31 18:03:10	NetSysFire	https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
2022-05-31 18:49:22	pounce	grawity: i don't use x but i could try gsettings
2022-05-31 19:16:03	tent405	Could someone kindly explain the difference between time.h and sys/time.h ?
2022-05-31 19:19:20	mpan	tent405: not an Arch question, so consider asking ##c or #linux. But in general: one is from C, the other one is from POSIX.
2022-05-31 19:19:45	mpan	(or ##programming)
2022-05-31 19:20:11	mpan	Sorry, #c.
2022-05-31 19:31:54	danisanti	My virtual console is not showing the a with tilde char. My keyboard is european portuguese. How do I set my /etc/vconsole.conf ?
2022-05-31 19:33:15	danisanti	the char that my virtual console does not show is: ã , among others
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2022-05-31 19:48:03	Namarrgon	danisanti: did you also set a font that supports that character?
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2022-05-31 19:48:24	Dotz0cat	Is there a way I can get a 3.5mm mic to work on my machine. It just reconizes it as headphones. 
2022-05-31 19:48:34	Dotz0cat	I only have one port
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2022-05-31 19:49:48	Namarrgon	you might need a splitter cable if you want to plug in a standalone microphone instead of a headset
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2022-05-31 19:50:41	Namarrgon	it might also be possible to change the pinout with hdajackretask
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2022-05-31 20:14:26	danisanti	Namarrgon: thank you. I the guys at #linux helped me
2022-05-31 20:14:34	danisanti	;-)
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2022-05-31 20:23:20	ℹ 	Tema establecido por Namarrgon el vie, 06 may 2022 01:12:11
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2022-05-31 20:23:21	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-05-31 20:23:27	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-05-31 20:23:27	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-05-31 20:56:06	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1477 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1476 normals)
2022-05-31 20:56:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-05-31 21:03:35	Zetta1Reid0	Hello.Using the Zen Kernel Version 5.18.0 . Trying to install anbox.I have to load the ashmem module and the wiki says Zen Kernel has it.But I don't actually have it,since when i try to do modprobe ashmem it says it is not found (And in fact it isnt in my filesystem).Am I missing something ?.
2022-05-31 21:03:59	Namarrgon	uname -r && pacman -Q linux-zen
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2022-05-31 21:04:45	Zetta1Reid0	5.18.0-zen1-1-zen linux-zen 5.18.zen1-1
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2022-05-31 21:05:44	Namarrgon	zgrep -i ashmem /proc/config.gz
2022-05-31 21:05:48	HuntsMan	Zetta1Reid0: it is possible that the information is just outdated
2022-05-31 21:06:02	Namarrgon	i don't see anything 'ashmem'-related in the kernel config
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2022-05-31 21:06:29	Zetta1Reid0	Same here HuntsMan is probably right. But binder is there
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2022-05-31 21:07:15	HuntsMan	Zetta1Reid0: those modules are available as DKMS, so just install anbox-modules-dkms
2022-05-31 21:07:23	HuntsMan	(in AUR)
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2022-05-31 21:10:39	Zetta1Reid0	HuntsMan: Is your name a reference to Jake Long the Americal dragon ? Also the dkms package doesn't build and the git version udev rule file conflicts with anbox-git uder rule file
2022-05-31 21:11:18	HuntsMan	Zetta1Reid0: nope
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2022-05-31 21:12:09	Scimmia	Zetta1Reid0: the wiki says they're built in, not modules 
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2022-05-31 21:16:03	Zetta1Reid0	Scimmia either way i get Failed to start as either binder or ashmem kernel drivers are not loaded from anbox session manager
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2022-05-31 21:38:24	xnovax	do you have the modules enabled in the kernel?
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2022-06-01 18:40:27	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1478 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1477 normals)
2022-06-01 08:20:46	ask6155	I usually run qutebrowser and after I opened few heavy tabs there was a renderer process crash. I ran brave browser and it too had a page crash. I have 4GB RAM and I have about ~3GB free when just browsing the web still there is a crash
2022-06-01 08:46:23	tirnanog	ask6155: you say that as if it is surprising. running a modern browser in 4GB of RAM can be hard going as it is. disabling overcommit - by which I assume you mean vm.overcommit_memory=2 - amounts to suicide, especially where vm.overcommit_ratio is left at its default of 50%.
2022-06-01 08:48:48	tirnanog	n.b. have some swap available and either leave the overcommit settings alone or increase overcommit_ratio.
2022-06-01 08:49:02	The-Compiler	!ram
2022-06-01 08:49:02	phrik	https://downloadmoreram.com/
2022-06-01 09:03:08	pagios	hey guys, whar do you think about this book to understand browser security ? https://www.amazon.de/Tangled-Web-Securing-Modern-Applications/ does it still apply? 
2022-06-01 09:07:33	ask6155	I have overcommit ratio as 95% and I have 4GB swap on my SSD
2022-06-01 09:08:38	ask6155	should I make a bug report? if so, where?
2022-06-01 09:24:51	tirnanog	ask6155: I suspect that ship has sailed, in so far as the modern web is known to be generally resource-intensive, as are modern rendering engines. perhaps more importantly, developers are accustomed to being able to request more memory than will necessarily be touched. I'd just switch the overcommit back to 0. I don't see how having it any other way can help such a workload.
2022-06-01 09:27:10	tirnanog	aside from that, you could also try firefox or one of its forks. owing to the limit imposed by its "dom.ipc.processCount" setting, which is adjustable, it may be a little lighter on memory than the browsers you've tried. of course, you'd need something like uBlock Origin to stand in for the native content blocker that brave has.
2022-06-01 09:28:13	tirnanog	(I mention that has content blockers can obviously have a positive effect on resource usage)
2022-06-01 09:28:16	tirnanog	as*
2022-06-01 09:42:50	⚡ 	ask6155 sighs
2022-06-01 09:44:06	tirnanog	I mean, there is a reason that it doesn't default to 2.
2022-06-01 10:18:54	ask6155	I've currently set my overcommit to 1 (which is the most forgiving I think) and I've been testing
2022-06-01 10:19:31	ask6155	brave can open about 4 tabs librewolf 3 qutebrowser can do alot of tabs
2022-06-01 10:20:04	ask6155	the error I get is pthread creation failed resource temporarily unavailable
2022-06-01 10:28:13	amosbird	!paste
2022-06-01 10:28:14	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-06-01 10:29:58	amosbird	Hello! I'm investigating an OOM case: https://bpa.st/3BAA . Why is the anon-rss of the oom-killed process way larger than the related value that is dumped into the log? Does that mean there is a memory surge during the process being killed?
2022-06-01 10:29:59	phrik	Title: View paste 3BAA (at bpa.st)
2022-06-01 10:43:03	tirnanog	amosbird: it isn't. 5923728 * 4096 / 2**10 = 23694912, 4096 being your page size.
2022-06-01 10:52:13	amosbird	tirnanog: ah, thanks!
2022-06-01 12:38:09	susi	can't dc 'pow'?
2022-06-01 12:38:28	susi	oh it can
2022-06-01 12:40:02	susi	dc -e '5923728 4096 * 2 10 ^ /p' ^.^
2022-06-01 12:53:32	Zetta1Reid0	sweetmeat: What do you mean it doesn't show in Gnome ?
2022-06-01 14:09:18	BlackDex	Do people here also notice that system sounds are bypassing the volume/mute settings? I have it configured to be mutted, but ever since i think Gnome 42 (or a Pipewire update) i still hear system sounds even though i have them mutted
2022-06-01 14:20:27	susi	I have configured a hotkey for mute that 'pactl set-sink-mute @DEFAULT_SINK@'s, and it works as usual
2022-06-01 14:38:45	BlackDex	but, that is probably for the default output device
2022-06-01 14:38:54	BlackDex	I don't want all audio muted, only the system sounds
2022-06-01 14:44:15	susi	I don't have any system sounds, you likely need to configure them through your DE's tools
2022-06-01 14:44:38	BlackDex	That is what i said, i have muted them, and they are still there ;) 
2022-06-01 14:46:32	Scimmia	what are "system sounds"?
2022-06-01 14:49:34	BrainDamage	pulseaudio lets streams have a flag attached which assigns a role
2022-06-01 14:49:55	BrainDamage	some programs sets it, so that notifications have a notification flag, etc
2022-06-01 14:50:13	BrainDamage	eg role cork mutes music streams during a call
2022-06-01 15:01:38	susi	seems `pactl set-sink-input-volume $id 0%` might work, but you need to get the sink input id first (with `pactl list sink-inputs`), and I don't know if the sink input #id is static or different on every beep
2022-06-01 15:03:15	susi	(or set-sink-input-mute)
2022-06-01 15:07:54	susi	at least closing a youtube tab, and re-opening it, it's with the same sink input id in `pactl list short sink-inputs` 
2022-06-01 15:25:18	Adolph	good morning
2022-06-01 15:36:01	enoq	why is it that running discord in Firefox yields better voice connectivity results than in electron?
2022-06-01 15:36:31	MrElendig	check teh audio settings
2022-06-01 15:36:45	MrElendig	they are probably not the same
2022-06-01 15:36:46	enoq	it's more about friends telling me that my voice craps out
2022-06-01 15:37:30	enoq	so something with regards to connectivity looks like the culprit
2022-06-01 16:09:36	rahl	grawity: I'm not entirely sure why they don't. Apparently they self-hosted originally, but stopped. Trying to find out why/if they will add to keyserver
2022-06-01 16:21:43	segurb	hello, I am having issues starting mariadb, but nothing in the journalctl
2022-06-01 16:22:31	mpan	segurb: what is the exact command you invoke to start it, what is the result?
2022-06-01 16:22:48	segurb	http://ix.io/3Z7N
2022-06-01 16:22:57	segurb	using "systemctl start mariadb"
2022-06-01 16:24:49	mpan	And what is the full journalctl output? I know you said there is nothing, but you have just shown a fragment of journal.
2022-06-01 16:25:08	mpan	And that fragment contains the final lines reporting the cause of the malfunction.
2022-06-01 16:25:22	segurb	what I have shown is "systemctl status mariadb"
2022-06-01 16:25:43	mpan	Yes, which includes last lines from journal.
2022-06-01 16:26:16	Scimmia	[ERROR] InnoDB: Upgrade after a crash is not supported. The redo log was created with MariaDB 10.7.3.
2022-06-01 16:26:30	mpan	Yes, but I want to know what’s before that.
2022-06-01 16:26:49	mpan	Likely removign the log will fix it, but before suggesting it I prefer to know if there is nothing else foul at play.
2022-06-01 16:27:11	segurb	nothing in the journal really
2022-06-01 16:27:41	mpan	Scimmia: am I missing something? I mean… regarding `systemctl status` showing journal, but `journalctl` not?
2022-06-01 16:27:50	segurb	http://ix.io/3Z7P
2022-06-01 16:28:17	Scimmia	segurb: sudo journalct
2022-06-01 16:28:20	Scimmia	journalctl
2022-06-01 16:29:25	segurb	oooouh
2022-06-01 16:29:27	segurb	there is alot
2022-06-01 16:29:29	segurb	http://ix.io/3Z7Q
2022-06-01 16:29:59	segurb	I had it all working, and did upgrade today after 10 days being away from pc, and all broke, X did not want to start with nvidia, and now this ...
2022-06-01 16:30:16	segurb	can I revert to "yesterday" :(
2022-06-01 16:30:58	Scimmia	segurb: this happened because mariadb crashed then you updated it instead of starting the same version. mpan is just looking for why
2022-06-01 16:30:59	mpan	Theoretically yes, by just using -U and older package versions (or Arch Linux Archive and rolling back the entire system). But whether the new version of mariadb made some changes that will prevent older one from working is unknown. So wait a moment.
2022-06-01 16:32:14	segurb	yeah I tried to fix it by reinstalling it, thought it was permissions or something
2022-06-01 16:32:15	mpan	The situation is as follows: the old version of mariadb had some uncommited transactions going on and was killed (for whatever reason) OR filesystem was not unmounted cleanly. If whatever was in the transaction is of little importance, removing the transaction log should let you get over the error — at the cost of losting whatever was in that transaction.
2022-06-01 16:32:37	segurb	dont care what was in transaction
2022-06-01 16:32:39	mpan	*losing
2022-06-01 16:32:49	mpan	ok, lemme check what were the log files names…
2022-06-01 16:32:51	segurb	is that aria_log or?
2022-06-01 16:33:45	mpan	(I do not recall the names from top of my head)
2022-06-01 16:34:10	segurb	[ERROR] InnoDB: File ./ib_logfile0 was not found
2022-06-01 16:34:51	mpan	Yes, then move it somewhere (temporarily) and see if that is enough.
2022-06-01 16:35:00	mpan	(Move in case you need to put it back where it was)
2022-06-01 16:35:36	segurb	move what
2022-06-01 16:35:47	mpan	That file
2022-06-01 16:35:50	segurb	which file
2022-06-01 16:35:53	segurb	it says its not found
2022-06-01 16:36:19	mpan	Sorry, I am stupid. :|
2022-06-01 16:36:26	mpan	I just spotted the familiar file name. :)
2022-06-01 16:36:29	segurb	listen
2022-06-01 16:36:33	segurb	I dont care about the databases or nothing
2022-06-01 16:36:36	segurb	I just need working mariadb
2022-06-01 16:36:41	segurb	I can import all databases again
2022-06-01 16:36:44	segurb	I dont care about loosing anything
2022-06-01 16:36:48	segurb	I just wana restart it all, and start again
2022-06-01 16:36:50	segurb	is that easier?
2022-06-01 16:36:52	mpan	Yes, I do understand that. I just did not read the error message you provided. I was focused on finding the file name.
2022-06-01 16:37:15	mpan	Is there ib_logfile1 present there?
2022-06-01 16:37:33	mpan	Or pretty much anything named ib_logfile* in the same directory?
2022-06-01 16:38:09	segurb	http://ix.io/3Z7S
2022-06-01 16:38:29	mpan	hmm
2022-06-01 16:39:05	mpan	So this is not the case I knew from earlier. Lemme think.
2022-06-01 16:39:17	segurb	how about, we just remove the whole thing
2022-06-01 16:39:24	segurb	delete the existance of mariadb on this machine
2022-06-01 16:39:28	segurb	and install it agian
2022-06-01 16:39:40	mpan	Sure, if you want to restore the database.
2022-06-01 16:40:19	segurb	I dont wana restore anything man
2022-06-01 16:40:28	segurb	this is working local machine Ihave backups on production servers of those databases
2022-06-01 16:40:33	segurb	just need mariadb working :(
2022-06-01 16:40:36	mpan	You do not even need to reinstall mariadb. Just remove everything from inside “/var/lib/mariadb” (but that is destructive).
2022-06-01 16:40:42	segurb	thank you
2022-06-01 16:41:02	mpan	(or wherever you keep mariadb databases; “/var/lib/mariadb” was the default IIRC)
2022-06-01 16:41:26	mpan	Oh, “/var/lib/mysql” it was.
2022-06-01 16:41:27	segurb	working !
2022-06-01 16:41:33	segurb	thanks
2022-06-01 16:41:48	segurb	just did rm * in that dir lol
2022-06-01 16:41:50	segurb	perfect
2022-06-01 16:41:58	segurb	actually kept my databases from earlier
2022-06-01 16:50:25	enoq	is apparmor an ubuntu thing or is it more widespread
2022-06-01 17:04:26	MrElendig	the later
2022-06-01 17:06:08	MrElendig	(not a big thing on arch though)
2022-06-01 17:11:42	DeepDayze	apparmor I do believe its also in Arch despite being a Ubuntu thing
2022-06-01 17:15:44	susi	it's a linux kernel security module (LSM), so I wouldn't call it a Ubuntu thing, even though Ubuntu takes advantage of it by default, as does SUSE and probably others too
2022-06-01 17:16:09	lowden	hi guys, i was trying to install vdloop-dkms (can't remember exact) and it resulted in error then i tried pacman -Syu and it worked to so i tried to reboot but it ended in kernal panic
2022-06-01 17:17:52	lowden	what am i supposed to do now ?
2022-06-01 17:23:05	Warepire	susi: Though it should be noted that so far only the Ubuntu kernel (and other kernels carrying some additional Ubuntu patches) get full value out of apparmor.
2022-06-01 17:23:25	DeepDayze	or maybe applications
2022-06-01 17:23:31	Warepire	(like dbus mediation, and networking mediation)
2022-06-01 17:25:05	Warepire	DeepDayze: Nope, no additional applications needed. But unless you want to write your own profiles I believe there is an Ubuntu maintained set of profiles for common Linux programs
2022-06-01 17:25:41	DeepDayze	yes that's what I meant. There are apparmor profiles for applications
2022-06-01 17:26:14	karrq	Hi, I was wondering if it was possible to install a custom package instead of an official one? What I mean is that I'd like to have a custom PKGBUILD for a certain package and install that one instead of the one from the official repos...
2022-06-01 17:26:15	DeepDayze	but of course you can write your own for an application not in Ubuntu's list
2022-06-01 17:26:55	mpan	karrq: yes. But it will be overwritten on the update. More likely you want your own package, which only has `provides` set.
2022-06-01 17:27:14	karrq	it's fine if it's overriden on the update
2022-06-01 17:27:22	mpan	(I am assuming you mean: install a package with the same name)
2022-06-01 17:27:48	DeepDayze	if you have a patch for some package to fix it pending upstream update that's one thing too
2022-06-01 17:27:54	mpan	Then yes, it is possible. This is how I apply some bugfixes to official packages.
2022-06-01 17:28:54	karrq	mpan: yes exactly... how would I go doing this? download the PKGBUILD, makepkg -si ?
2022-06-01 17:28:56	DeepDayze	like for example the nvidia package as there's usually patches floating around to make it work with new kernels
2022-06-01 17:29:19	mpan	karrq: yes. Also likely `-sir`, not `-si`.
2022-06-01 17:29:47	karrq	mpan: I see. now to figure out how to add the missing pgp key...
2022-06-01 17:30:31	grawity	rahl: if they're okay with it, you can upload the public key to standard keyservers yourself
2022-06-01 17:30:35	mpan	If you build official packages, see <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Build_System>. Will make your life easier.
2022-06-01 17:30:35	phrik	Title: Arch Build System - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-01 18:16:19	lowden	>hi guys, i was trying to install vdloop-dkms (can't remember exact) and it
2022-06-01 18:16:21	lowden	resulted in error then i tried pacman -Syu and it worked to so i tried to
2022-06-01 18:16:23	lowden	reboot but it ended in kernal panic
2022-06-01 18:16:31	lowden	help
2022-06-01 18:24:23	gehidore	what's the panic?
2022-06-01 18:28:50	lowden	add init to kernel param and gives a stack trace i think
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2022-06-01 18:41:20	Namarrgon	what was the panic before you added the init= parameter?
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2022-06-01 18:45:01	lowden	no i haven't add init= parameter, it said in the panic to add init= param
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2022-06-01 18:46:17	gehidore	you managed to edit the boot configuration so it doesn't know where init is anymore
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2022-06-01 18:46:38	gehidore	by not having an init= parameter
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2022-06-01 18:46:59	lowden	i managed to edit the boot config ?
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2022-06-01 18:47:28	Namarrgon	do you have any other kernel installed?
2022-06-01 18:47:51	lowden	no 
2022-06-01 18:47:54	Namarrgon	boot the archiso, chroot into the system and rebuild the initramfs images
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2022-06-01 18:48:01	Namarrgon	see if you get any errors
2022-06-01 18:48:15	lowden	how do i rebuild initramfs ?
2022-06-01 18:48:59	Namarrgon	"mkinitcpio -P"
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2022-06-01 18:50:59	Scimmia	or you removed systemd-sysvcompat
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2022-06-01 19:18:37	chir4gm	Noobie question here: I am trying to configure a font I like to have "spacing=100"
2022-06-01 19:18:47	chir4gm	The font is here:https://github.com/vjpr/monaco-bold
2022-06-01 19:18:55	chir4gm	I am using the kitty terminal emulator
2022-06-01 19:19:02	chir4gm	It uses the command `fc-list : family spacing | grep -e spacing=100 -e spacing=90` to find fonts
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2022-06-01 19:19:27	chir4gm	And so, I tried this config (at XDG_CONFIG_HOME/fontconfig/fonts.conf):
2022-06-01 19:19:41	chir4gm	https://pastebin.com/YNemPpa4
2022-06-01 19:19:42	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oBUH.txt
2022-06-01 19:19:42	phrik	Title: <?xml version="1.0"?><!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM "urn:fontconfig:fonts.dtd"> - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2022-06-01 19:20:48	chir4gm	How can I see the font's spacing being changed/modified? I downloaded it as an AUR package using paru.
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2022-06-01 19:26:53	chir4gm	Also, kitty uses the command : `fc-list : family spacing | grep -e spacing=100 -e spacing=90` to get font families it can use
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2022-06-01 19:34:27	Vorpal	chir4gm: if that is a requirement, I assume that means you can't use a font that doesn't comply. And it is either not going to work, or it is going to look strange, if you try to force use another font
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2022-06-01 19:35:22	chir4gm	I don't think it would look strange. It's Monaco. So is there any way to assign the 'spacing' property?
2022-06-01 19:35:34	Vorpal	no clue how that works
2022-06-01 19:36:10	grawity	I remember monaco-bold working rather differently from actual monaco
2022-06-01 19:36:13	Vorpal	I use Terminus TTF in Kitty, works well for me, assuming you set it to one of the sizes where it has prerendered bit maps
2022-06-01 19:36:31	brotherBox	I have installed arch on a thinkpad with a resolution of 2560x1600 with i3. When I start i3, the status bar and the text in programs is way too small to read. I've tried setting the scaling in gnome to 200% but that made everything too big. Fractional scaling won't get enabled when I put in the command I found online. I set the DPI to a higher value using an xorg conf, but that only enlarges the
2022-06-01 19:36:31	brotherBox	size of the status bar etc, not the text in 
2022-06-01 19:36:31	brotherBox	firefox or the terminal. DOes anyone know this problem?
2022-06-01 19:37:09	grawity	iirc, gtk fractional scaling only works in wayland
2022-06-01 19:37:32	Vorpal	brotherBox: you mentioned both i3 and gnome. Which one are you using?
2022-06-01 19:38:05	brotherBox	Vorpal: my goal is to use i3, but I tried gnome to see if that gets it done (it doesn't)
2022-06-01 19:38:14	brotherBox	grawity, so I would need to start a wayland session?
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2022-06-01 19:38:35	Vorpal	i3 doesn't support wayland though
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2022-06-01 19:39:10	Vorpal	I think KDE maybe supports fractional scaling under X. At least the setting is there, don't know if it works.
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2022-06-01 19:41:01	Vorpal	chir4gm: did you restart kitty after applying that override?
2022-06-01 19:41:20	Vorpal	chir4gm: also did you rebuild the font config cache?
2022-06-01 19:41:49	shadowless	brotherBox: you can change the font size in i3's config. if you like using i3 and want to run wayland, check out sway - it can even use the same configs as i3 (for the most part)
2022-06-01 19:42:26	brotherBox	How would I enable fractional scaling in wayland? Does it read the x configs?
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2022-06-01 19:44:39	Vorpal	doesn't fractional scaling make everything blurry though?
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2022-06-01 19:44:39	Vorpal	Would be nice if things could just use vector graphics and render at an appropriate size
2022-06-01 19:44:39	brotherBox	Would be nice if the resolution wasn't so high that I can't read text anymore. That's not what I envisioned and other people must have the same problem.
2022-06-01 19:44:43	susi	brotherBox: depends on the wayland compositor
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2022-06-01 19:45:23	susi	you just need stronger glasses
2022-06-01 19:45:32	◣	ryanbw (~ryanbw@76.82.131.84) ha salido (Quit: I'll be back.)
2022-06-01 19:45:37	chir4gm	Vorpal: Yes, I ran "fc-cache -vf" and simply "fc-cache" many times. I have restarted kitty multiple times too.
2022-06-01 19:45:52	grawity	Vorpal: if you scale a 1px border to 1.5, it's going to be blurry regardless, isn't it?
2022-06-01 19:46:01	brotherBox	susi, my eyesight is pretty good actually, not even using glasses
2022-06-01 19:46:14	artefact	grawity: browsers have been using tricks for ages against that
2022-06-01 19:46:39	Vorpal	chir4gm: hm, no idea then if the instructions at https://sw.kovidgoyal.net/kitty/faq/#kitty-is-not-able-to-use-my-favorite-font don't work. You sure you got the right name to match the font you want? Sometimes the names are not what you expect
2022-06-01 19:46:41	phrik	Title: Frequently Asked Questions - kittyMenuExpandLight modeDark modeAuto light/dark mode (at sw.kovidgoyal.net)
2022-06-01 19:46:43	artefact	maybe the answer is "just use electron" haha
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2022-06-01 19:47:41	Vorpal	grawity: what artefact said. Also you could just design your GUI to not depend on specific pixel sizes.
2022-06-01 19:47:50	Vorpal	of course, as DPI goes up this becomes less of a problem
2022-06-01 19:48:06	◣	Zetta1Reid0 (~zr@31.211.159.94) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2022-06-01 19:48:09	Vorpal	what I really wish worked better is mixing high and low DPI screens
2022-06-01 19:48:22	SponiX	lowden: you get going?
2022-06-01 19:48:48	Vorpal	my work laptop has a 4k 17" screen but I have a 1080p 24" screen on my desk. I run that laptop at half resolution as a workaround
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2022-06-01 19:50:20	artefact	i only really have that problem in old games. playing in a tiny window sucks, and blowing it up kills fps. can't use gamescope sadly
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2022-06-01 19:50:47	Vorpal	yeah, gaming is why I don't go with a high DPI desktop monitor
2022-06-01 19:51:05	artefact	changing the mode with xrandr is an option, but the wm really doesn't like that and it makes alt-tabbing nearly useless
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2022-06-01 19:51:28	artefact	Vorpal: if you have recent enough nvidia or amd/intel, gamescope can upscale games for you, it's pretty neat
2022-06-01 19:51:32	chir4gm	Vorpal: I completely missed this! Thanks! I'll check it out to see if it fixes my problem.
2022-06-01 19:51:56	Vorpal	artefact: well I don't game on my work laptop, hah. And nothing else apart from my smartphone is high-DPI.
2022-06-01 19:52:00	brotherBox	I'll try the wayland thing, let's see how this works
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2022-06-01 19:52:19	chir4gm	It also seems to address my difficulty in working with nerd fonts on kitty!
2022-06-01 19:52:27	artefact	tbh i'm not sure if i like high dpi screens, or just big-ass screens in general
2022-06-01 19:52:33	Vorpal	artefact: for my work laptop I find that the problem is that nothing works well in a mixed-DPI multi-head setup.
2022-06-01 19:52:48	Vorpal	chir4gm: missed what?
2022-06-01 19:53:02	Vorpal	chir4gm: oh that link? It looks like what you mentioned
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2022-06-01 19:53:09	Vorpal	I assumed you were following it
2022-06-01 19:53:14	artefact	i'm not sure if the xorg dpi setting is per-screen or per-display. you could get away (painfully so) with a zaphod setup
2022-06-01 19:53:34	Vorpal	artefact: I don't know what that is
2022-06-01 19:53:35	artefact	there's also xrandr scaling, but that's a blurry mess
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2022-06-01 19:54:32	Vorpal	artefact: what worked reasonably for me is to just run that laptop's display at 1080p, since that is exactly half of 4k. Then pretend that everything has lower DPI. This mostly works except that sometimes settings reset when I plug in a new monitor or projector
2022-06-01 19:55:33	◣	julia (~quassel@user/julia) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-06-01 19:55:47	Vorpal	this of course means I don't take advantage of smoother font rendering etc at all on that laptop
2022-06-01 19:56:07	Vorpal	but there is so much software that doesn't scale properly at all anyway, especially scientific software
2022-06-01 19:57:27	demonicmaniac	you could somewhat get around that via xwayland though and wayland
2022-06-01 19:57:47	demonicmaniac	most scientific/not scaling stuff is X only anyways so you can run your xwayland 2x scaled and wayland native 4k
2022-06-01 19:58:09	Vorpal	demonicmaniac: oh it is nvidia graphics and I need reverse PRIME as the external outputs are connected directly to the nvidia GPU. So yeah wayland is not an option yet afaik
2022-06-01 19:58:40	teraflops	I think 3k+ isn't hidpi, is it?
2022-06-01 19:59:02	Vorpal	teraflops: doesn't that depend on the physical display size?
2022-06-01 19:59:02	artefact	3k dots may be hidpi, depends on the inches
2022-06-01 19:59:10	Vorpal	yeah
2022-06-01 19:59:10	teraflops	hmm
2022-06-01 19:59:12	artefact	a 6" ereader with a 3k resolution is definitely hidpi
2022-06-01 19:59:22	demonicmaniac	anything > 130ish dpi is considered hidpi
2022-06-01 19:59:24	teraflops	34 inches
2022-06-01 19:59:33	Vorpal	well no then
2022-06-01 19:59:36	demonicmaniac	94 dpi is still fairly normal for monitors
2022-06-01 19:59:37	artefact	that's around 100, so no
2022-06-01 19:59:38	teraflops	yeah thanks
2022-06-01 19:59:43	Vorpal	my work laptop is 4k at 17" though
2022-06-01 19:59:50	◣	arboy (~Manjaro@user/arboy) ha salido (Quit: Going to catch time.)
2022-06-01 19:59:51	demonicmaniac	!dpi
2022-06-01 19:59:51	phrik	demonicmaniac: dpi <an alias on #archlinux, 3 arguments>
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2022-06-01 20:00:02	demonicmaniac	!dpi 3840 2160 17
2022-06-01 20:00:03	phrik	demonicmaniac: 259.17
2022-06-01 20:00:04	chir4gm	Vorpal: Got it to work, thanks!
2022-06-01 20:00:12	Vorpal	chir4gm: oh, what did you do differently?
2022-06-01 20:00:50	Vorpal	by the way my work laptop has another weird issue. Sometimes when I wake it from suspend to ram (sleep) by opening the lid, it just goes back to sleep almost immediately.
2022-06-01 20:00:56	demonicmaniac	i believe windows scales above 100 dpi by default to 125 then or something
2022-06-01 20:01:09	Vorpal	it doesn't happen always and I have no idea how to even begin trouble shooting that
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2022-06-01 20:01:30	Vorpal	it is almost like it doesn't happen for a while after booting until something triggers it and then it starts happening every time
2022-06-01 20:01:46	demonicmaniac	!dpi 1920 1200 15.4
2022-06-01 20:01:47	phrik	demonicmaniac: 147.02
2022-06-01 20:02:13	Vorpal	it also happens under both Cinnamon and KDE.
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2022-06-01 20:02:59	Vorpal	I looked in system looks but could not spot something obviously related.
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2022-06-01 20:03:19	Vorpal	So yeah, how to even begin debugging this double sleep?
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2022-06-01 20:03:44	teraflops	!dpi 2560 1600 13.3
2022-06-01 20:03:44	phrik	teraflops: 226.98
2022-06-01 20:04:37	topcat001	Vorpal: have you had a look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wakeup_triggers#Instantaneous_wakeups_from_suspend
2022-06-01 20:04:38	phrik	Title: Wakeup triggers - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-01 20:04:51	topcat001	slightly different issue but might help
2022-06-01 20:04:55	Vorpal	topcat001: hm, I have the opposite problem I guess
2022-06-01 20:05:01	topcat001	yeah :)
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2022-06-01 20:05:28	Vorpal	anyway after the second wakeup things are fine (so it is not like it is stuck in a loop).
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2022-06-01 20:05:55	demonicmaniac	teraflops: a triplebuffer just for the screen display ignoring all the pixmaps/buffers of all the applications for all their content for 2560x1600 is already 50mb
2022-06-01 20:06:03	Vorpal	topcat001: reading that doesn't seem immediately helpful, as it seems to discuss wakeup triggers specifically.
2022-06-01 20:06:36	Vorpal	I wonder what the DPI on this desktop monitor is
2022-06-01 20:06:37	Vorpal	!dpi 1920 1200 24
2022-06-01 20:06:38	phrik	Vorpal: 94.34
2022-06-01 20:07:23	topcat001	Vorpal: you could disable LID0 and then see if using the power button to wake up triggers the issue.
2022-06-01 20:08:21	Vorpal	topcat001: oh, that is a good idea. I guess next time it happens I will try that (again, no clue what triggers it to start happening, other than it is usually, but not always after I have been traveling between home and work).
2022-06-01 20:09:02	topcat001	yeah just an interesting data point. In any case the change is reset upon reboot so should be safe to try.
2022-06-01 20:09:14	Vorpal	right
2022-06-01 20:09:28	◣	cdown (~cdown@user/cdown) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-06-01 20:09:52	Vorpal	wow that laptop has a LOT of wakeup triggers, much more than my personal laptop
2022-06-01 20:10:08	Vorpal	http://sprunge.us/d29eLl
2022-06-01 20:10:10	◣	pokr (~pokr@124.78.241.190) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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2022-06-01 20:10:28	Vorpal	anyway it seems to be called LID not LID0 on it
2022-06-01 20:10:51	◣	julia__ (~quassel@user/julia) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
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2022-06-01 20:11:41	Vorpal	is there any documentation to what they all mean?
2022-06-01 20:12:07	teraflops	demonicmaniac: 50mb of video memory?
2022-06-01 20:13:52	Vorpal	doesn't sound a lot. I mean my desktop GPU has 8 GB video memory. Even my laptop has 2 GB
2022-06-01 20:14:06	Vorpal	and my work laptop (which has a 4k screen) has 6 GB
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2022-06-01 20:16:55	topcat001	Vorpal: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/236127/acpi-wakeup-4-letters-code-meaning
2022-06-01 20:16:56	phrik	Title: linux kernel - ACPI wakeup 4-letters code meaning? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2022-06-01 20:18:02	Vorpal	thanks
2022-06-01 20:18:24	Vorpal	so basically no way to know in general
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2022-06-02 14:46:37	cedb	nice
2022-06-02 14:51:44	bug2000	I need an alternative to gmrun. Lately it takes a LONG time to start.
2022-06-02 14:52:07	bug2000	To the point it's unusable. I mean, once it loads it responds. but the start time is insane.
2022-06-02 14:52:11	bug2000	Any alternatives?
2022-06-02 14:52:28	cedb	rofi?
2022-06-02 14:53:57	susi	cedb: btw, check `du -sh ~/.cache/mozilla/firefox/$yourprof'
2022-06-02 14:54:58	susi	there could be something wrong within .cache/mozilla/firefox/$yourprof/startupCache 
2022-06-02 14:55:34	susi	maybe try moving that $yourprof under different name, and then starting the browser
2022-06-02 14:56:22	susi	in the past corruptions/problems under .cache/mozilla have caused issues like this
2022-06-02 14:56:37	susi	even invalid permissions
2022-06-02 14:58:41	cedb	susi: ah yeah thanks that helps, i just nuked the profiles, they had weird names i never really crafted one
2022-06-02 14:58:42	susi	(and after first start since moving the dir under different name, once again restart to see the actual situation)
2022-06-02 14:59:07	susi	okayh... so then it's too late to further inspect this :(
2022-06-02 14:59:15	bug2000	cedb, rofi doesn't like xscreensaver-command -lock
2022-06-02 14:59:30	bug2000	how do I feed it args? (and get the tab complete working so I can provide args)
2022-06-02 15:00:19	susi	I think it's --lock and not -lock
2022-06-02 15:00:42	cedb	bug2000: hmm i dont know i dont use it like that, if i need args once i just launch from terminal otherwise just make a little shell oneliner chmod +x in my path
2022-06-02 15:00:43	susi	oh, it might not matter actually
2022-06-02 15:02:04	susi	cedb: if the issue reoccurs, try moving that profile dir under .cache/mozilla/firefox under different name, and then restart x 2
2022-06-02 15:02:15	cedb	susi: well i mean it worked, ill investigate if it happens periodically but some silly cache thing idk
2022-06-02 15:02:16	susi	and I'd be curious about where password.json and suchs appeared
2022-06-02 15:02:17	cedb	thanks thbough
2022-06-02 15:02:48	susi	nice, but then you don't need to nuke the whole profile
2022-06-02 15:03:05	susi	it will regenerate stuff under .cache
2022-06-02 15:03:13	wooparadog	a/quit
2022-06-02 15:03:23	wooparadog	sorry...typo
2022-06-02 15:04:40	susi	cedb: btw, I very much recommend replacing ADB with uBlock Origin
2022-06-02 15:05:24	susi	uBO is the now-industry-standard, and way better and smoother
2022-06-02 15:05:46	cedb	i just did chears
2022-06-02 15:15:42	bug2000	cedb, One day I'll try again to find an alternative. Right now I just spam them and keep a few ready to lock the screen XD
2022-06-02 15:16:01	bug2000	I should test it on another machine to try and figure if it's a local issue or not.
2022-06-02 15:16:06	bug2000	Wonder what it scans...
2022-06-02 15:16:51	susi	maybe bind the screenlocker command to some key, like XF86ScreenSaver, or consider alternatives like xss-lock
2022-06-02 15:17:20	cedb	passing args to a command launcher like
2022-06-02 15:17:29	cedb	idk just use a term at this point
2022-06-02 15:17:35	cedb	or mb im just dumb
2022-06-02 15:23:37	lowden	no real root
2022-06-02 15:24:04	lowden	i tried mount -t ext4 /dev/sda5 /new_root 
2022-06-02 15:24:25	lowden	how do i boot after using this command 
2022-06-02 15:25:20	susi	it won't change anything about booting
2022-06-02 15:25:47	lowden	so what should i do then ?
2022-06-02 15:26:19	susi	maybe read the installation guide once more
2022-06-02 15:26:38	lowden	but its already installed i just want to rescue it ?
2022-06-02 15:27:07	lowden	plus i don't have a browser
2022-06-02 15:29:10	cedb	lowden: you mount after you boot
2022-06-02 15:29:32	susi	lowden: has this system ever booted, or you just installed it but never got it to boot?
2022-06-02 15:29:52	cedb	if you want it done automatically you adjust fstab, maybe with genfstab if you think youve mounted all properly
2022-06-02 15:29:57	susi	or never got it to run*
2022-06-02 15:29:58	jaawerth	bug2000: for the "run" rofi modi, ctrl+enter will run the command exactly as entered. there's also a run-command flag/config option you can use to specify a custom command to generate a list of options to complete from, which you could use to add entries or pull from shell history etc
2022-06-02 15:30:28	jaawerth	(so you don't have to type it every time, if you wanted to avoid doing so)
2022-06-02 15:30:35	Scimmia	lowden: exit may continue the boot process
2022-06-02 15:33:29	Scimmia	you might have to use a 'break' kernel command line option for that to work, though. I can't remember
2022-06-02 15:33:53	Scimmia	really, just edit the kernel command line and fix your root= entry
2022-06-02 15:37:06	lowden	susi: it has booted before several times
2022-06-02 15:38:19	lowden	i'll try to edit kernel command line
2022-06-02 15:39:02	susi	maybe check the the uuid of your real root before, with `lsblk --fs' or something
2022-06-02 15:44:04	cedb	susi: alright its slow again, what should i look for in the cache?
2022-06-02 15:44:53	susi	so you moved the $prof under .cache/mozilla/firefox, and restarted twice, and it became slow again?
2022-06-02 15:45:34	cedb	now it became slow after the previously nuked cache got rebuilt, imma try what you said
2022-06-02 15:45:48	susi	but that's exactly what I said :)
2022-06-02 15:46:00	susi	or do you mean...
2022-06-02 15:46:11	susi	creating a new profile under about:profiles, and then starting it with `firefox -P newprofile'
2022-06-02 15:46:11	cedb	rm -rf .cache/mozilla/firefox
2022-06-02 15:46:24	susi	try that what I suggested, and see if it's slow too
2022-06-02 15:46:58	lowden	hey so i added the same kernel option as my previous working install used to this kernel and it didn't boot but mount -t ext4 /dev/sda5 /new_root and exit worked 
2022-06-02 15:48:01	susi	(I did not suggest rm -rf'ing the whole .cache/mozilla/firefox, btw)
2022-06-02 15:48:14	cedb	no i know
2022-06-02 15:48:43	cedb	now i just moved it somewhere else (theres nothig else besides the profile)
2022-06-02 15:48:47	cedb	fast again
2022-06-02 15:49:04	susi	yes but can you do that new profile thingie
2022-06-02 15:49:40	lowden	how can i generate kernel parameters ?, writing by myself seems too hacky the previous working install had initrd=boot\amd-ucode.img and other stuff too
2022-06-02 15:49:40	susi	about:profiles, create a new profile, give it some name, close all firefox instances, `firefox -P newprofilename', close it, and again `firefox -P newprofilenmae' and inspect if it's slow too
2022-06-02 15:51:19	MacGyver	lowden: What's hacky about writing the correct kernel configuration for the system?
2022-06-02 15:51:20	cedb	its not slow, im doing the sync sign in thing, might be related
2022-06-02 15:52:04	cedb	MacGyver: i mean its not hacky but usually you dont have to do write by hand those configs after an install
2022-06-02 15:52:20	cedb	now if you break them somehow sure, but i dont see how you can do that unknowlingly
2022-06-02 15:52:22	susi	hmm, sync probably could cause start-up lag if it's left in some unfinished state
2022-06-02 15:53:03	susi	if nothing helps, I'd start fresh with a new profile and construct the new profile with help of https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/recovering-important-data-from-an-old-profile
2022-06-02 15:53:05	phrik	Title: Recovering important data from an old profile | Firefox Help (at support.mozilla.org)
2022-06-02 15:53:24	cedb	the profile doesnt seem to be linked to the sync thing
2022-06-02 15:54:18	susi	I wouldn't just sync the old broken profile with the new, but carefully construct it 'manually'
2022-06-02 15:54:46	lowden	MacGyver: the previous working install had initrd=boot\amd-ucode.img and other stuff too, so do i add them or not ?
2022-06-02 15:54:53	cedb	susi: ah i see thanks
2022-06-02 15:54:57	susi	you could strace the firefox and see what happens there, inspect audit logs for anything relevant, or use about:profiling
2022-06-02 15:55:29	sweetmeat	I've got an issue I'm not even sure how to debug. Laptop intel + nvidia w proprietary drivers using gnome 3 in wayland I experience these infrequent and hard to pin down hard freezes.
2022-06-02 15:55:51	sweetmeat	They've happened once or twice while using the computer, but didn't seem to have a trigger. More often I'll leave the laptop open and come back to this.
2022-06-02 15:57:21	sweetmeat	Is there anything I could search in the output of journalctl that'd give me a lead?
2022-06-02 15:57:54	MacGyver	lowden: Well, do you need to load AMD microcode?
2022-06-02 16:02:40	lowden	archwiki suggest you should have it
2022-06-02 16:03:32	lowden	do i need this rw add_efi_memmap ?
2022-06-02 16:05:32	susi	if you didn't have it before, when the system was running fine, then no
2022-06-02 16:05:48	susi	booting fine*
2022-06-02 16:05:49	lowden	i had this when the system was running 
2022-06-02 16:06:11	MacGyver	Then... maybe?
2022-06-02 16:06:23	lowden	what does it do ?
2022-06-02 16:06:27	MacGyver	This, kids, is why we add comments when bugfixing.
2022-06-02 16:06:30	lowden	where do know if i need this 
2022-06-02 16:06:36	MacGyver	So ten years down the line we remember why.
2022-06-02 16:06:48	MacGyver	lowden: Didn't you *write* the existing config?
2022-06-02 16:07:12	lowden	you mean kernel parameter ?
2022-06-02 16:07:22	MacGyver	I mean the bootloader config.
2022-06-02 16:07:32	MacGyver	You're editing the bootloader config, are you not?
2022-06-02 16:07:55	lowden	yeah but has kernel parameter
2022-06-02 16:10:20	MacGyver	So did you write the existing configuration?
2022-06-02 16:12:52	MacGyver	I'm about to have to leave, so let's just shortcircuit this:
2022-06-02 16:13:23	MacGyver	If no -> okay, do you use grub? it sounds like it might be grub -> yes? -> you should be editing /etc/default/grub and running the mkconfig script, as per the grub wiki page.
2022-06-02 16:13:35	susi	they told no grub, but refind
2022-06-02 16:13:35	MacGyver	If yes -> then you should know why those things are there.
2022-06-02 16:13:52	MacGyver	Then look at the refind wiki page where it keeps its config files.
2022-06-02 16:25:33	susi	lowden: your system used to boot and run, but you don't kno wwhat has changed since then?
2022-06-02 16:26:59	lowden	i tried to install v4l2loopback-dkms and then rebooted
2022-06-02 16:27:54	susi	but check the refind page from the arch page, and maybe even go through the installation guide and its relevant subs
2022-06-02 16:27:57	susi	arch wiki*
2022-06-02 16:30:33	susi	I have no experience with refind/efistubs
2022-06-02 16:42:45	susi	it's probably not the installation of v4l2loopback-dkms that broke your installation
2022-06-02 16:47:46	susi	installing dkms/v4l2loopback-dkms probably should not cause the bootloader configuration to forget about root
2022-06-02 16:49:18	susi	if it's an efistub setup, probably https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFISTUB would be  good reading too
2022-06-02 16:49:19	phrik	Title: EFISTUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-02 16:50:24	SleepyMario	for an efistub you don't need refind to begin with
2022-06-02 16:51:39	lowden	h4rd3n3d_: i don't have grub installed that's why ?
2022-06-02 16:53:09	SleepyMario	lowden: in all fairness, just using grub would be the easiest of the available solutions, unless you have some special usecase
2022-06-02 16:53:13	jaawerth	the new entry is probably refind's auto-detection magic, whereas the old one maybe has some hard settings in it. refind can also boat into other boot loaders, so I would make sure the broke one isn't trying to boot into grub or whatever
2022-06-02 16:53:50	susi	lowden: do you have refind installed, then? or any bootloader, or just direct UEFI fw boot?
2022-06-02 16:54:01	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-02 16:54:56	lowden	susi: i have refind installed it 
2022-06-02 16:55:20	susi	lowden: did you check https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/REFInd then
2022-06-02 16:55:21	phrik	Title: rEFInd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-02 16:55:24	lowden	jaawerth: i think that is what's happening 
2022-06-02 16:55:45	lowden	yeah i am checking refind manual for a fix
2022-06-02 16:57:24	lowden	susi: thw aw page doesn't has how to fix its autodetect 
2022-06-02 16:57:27	jaawerth	yeah - I'm not an expert on refind's behaviors since I only use it simply and haven't had to touch it since I installed it for recovering after grub broke for the nth time, but if you USED to have grub installed but no longer do, I bet it does't auto-delete the entry for you to avoid data loss, resulting in an entry pointing to a non-existent grub. that's my guess, but wiki surfing should get
2022-06-02 16:57:29	jaawerth	you there either way ;-)
2022-06-02 16:58:28	lowden	i never installed grub
2022-06-02 16:58:29	susi	maybe just running refind-install (w/ or w/o --usedefault) could be enough, but also see the warning about running it in chroot
2022-06-02 16:58:55	lowden	i did refind-install but it didn't do anything 
2022-06-02 16:59:16	susi	check your refind_linux.conf
2022-06-02 16:59:31	SleepyMario	so this is a single OS?
2022-06-02 16:59:49	lowden	the refind_linux.conf only applies to old entry
2022-06-02 17:00:06	lowden	SleepyMario: windows and arch
2022-06-02 17:00:23	SleepyMario	secure boot on or off?
2022-06-02 17:00:30	lowden	off i think
2022-06-02 17:00:37	susi	then maybe you need to update your refind_linux.conf, if it's outdated?
2022-06-02 17:01:16	lowden	update how ?
2022-06-02 17:01:25	susi	also `efibootmgr -v` could be of use, but interpreting the strings requires some reading
2022-06-02 17:01:35	lowden	it applies to all linux kernel right ?
2022-06-02 17:01:48	SleepyMario	sudo mokutil --sb-state --> just to make sure if secureboot is enabled or not. 
2022-06-02 17:02:12	lowden	i remembered its off
2022-06-02 17:02:38	SleepyMario	windows and arch on different drives?
2022-06-02 17:03:18	susi	lowden: maybe post your refind_linux.conf? `curl -F 'file=@/boot/refind_linux.conf' 0x0.st'
2022-06-02 17:03:35	lowden	yeah different partitions https://clbin.com/7yc9p
2022-06-02 17:04:20	susi	compare your root=UUID=xxx (in refind_linux.conf) with `lsblk --fs' info
2022-06-02 17:04:45	lowden	https://clbin.com/58lMx
2022-06-02 17:04:54	lowden	^refind conf
2022-06-02 17:05:13	susi	how could anything boot with kernel commandline ""
2022-06-02 17:06:23	susi	I'm pretty sure there should be root=something rw and possibly other options
2022-06-02 17:07:45	lowden	i regenerated this with mkrlconf
2022-06-02 17:08:09	nl6720	rEFInd supports detecting the correct value for "root=" if discoverable partitions specification is followed or it can read the fstab
2022-06-02 17:08:16	susi	check the correct UUID from `lsblk --fs' output (probably /dev/sda4's), and put "root=UUID=xxx rw" (xxx being the  UUID from lsblk's output)  into your refind_linux.conf
2022-06-02 17:08:32	lowden	checking brb
2022-06-02 17:09:13	lowden	i added this line https://clbin.com/HsfUe
2022-06-02 17:09:23	lowden	*adding
2022-06-02 17:10:20	susi	that could work, but are you sure that's PARTUUID and not UUID?
2022-06-02 17:11:58	lowden	lsblk --fs showed that
2022-06-02 17:12:11	lowden	for /dev/sda5 my linux root
2022-06-02 17:12:22	lowden	it only applied for the old system
2022-06-02 17:12:31	lowden	s/system/entry
2022-06-02 17:12:50	nl6720	lowden: `lsblk --fs` shows UUIDs not PARTUUIDs
2022-06-02 17:14:51	lowden	my bad then
2022-06-02 17:15:03	lowden	i am chaining it to partuuid 
2022-06-02 17:15:11	lowden	from this ls -l /dev/disk/by-partuuid/
2022-06-02 17:15:19	susi	why don't you just change it to the UUID?
2022-06-02 17:15:23	susi	shown in lsblk --fs?
2022-06-02 17:15:35	lowden	but i think it still won't work bcz the new entry is not being affected 
2022-06-02 17:15:35	nl6720	`lsblk --fs -o +PARTUUID` will PARTUUIDs or just blkid
2022-06-02 17:15:39	susi	root=UUID=e9e57605-f648-4025-b8f0-7c565432c9e9
2022-06-02 17:16:33	lowden	>but i think it still won't work bcz the new entry is not being affected
2022-06-02 17:17:12	nl6720	what do you mean by that?
2022-06-02 17:18:33	lowden	there are 2 entry is the refind menu one of the old arch install which was working earlier but now isn't and a new one which got added after i has chroot into the old arch system and reinstalled the kernel
2022-06-02 17:18:51	susi	you are creating the correct entry by putting stuff into your /boot/refind_linux.conf
2022-06-02 17:19:13	susi	you already pasted https://clbin.com/HsfUe, just change PARTUUID -> UUID
2022-06-02 17:19:17	lowden	the /boot/refind_linux.conf is just one line consisting of kernel parameter for linux kernel i think
2022-06-02 17:19:39	susi	every line is an entry
2022-06-02 17:19:50	lowden	in /boot/refind_linux.conf ?
2022-06-02 17:19:53	susi	yes
2022-06-02 17:20:04	susi	that enry is called "Boot with standard options" in your paste
2022-06-02 17:24:40	lowden	first it didn't got added in the new entry
2022-06-02 17:25:03	lowden	second i tried adding partuuid directly from refind but it said partuuid not found
2022-06-02 17:25:38	susi	so maybe replace PARTUUID with UUID?
2022-06-02 17:25:55	susi	root=UUID=xxxx...
2022-06-02 17:26:10	lowden	from the kernel parameter from refind menu ?
2022-06-02 17:26:17	susi	in the refind_linux.conf
2022-06-02 17:26:29	lowden	>first it didn't got added in the new entry
2022-06-02 17:26:29	susi	in the /boot/refind_linux.conf the file
2022-06-02 17:26:48	lowden	/boot/refind_linux.conf is only changing the old entry 
2022-06-02 17:26:59	susi	then change the old entry, if the old entry is faulty?
2022-06-02 17:27:27	naquad	hi. is there some guide on how to set up a build farm? i have a use case with the old laptop and a quite efficient server, i would like to build aur packages on the server and install them on the laptop
2022-06-02 17:29:16	nl6720	lowden: since you mentioned an "old" and "new" install, do you have multiple partitions with the file /boot/refind_linux.conf in them? could you perhaps be looking at the wrong one?
2022-06-02 17:29:55	nl6720	also post your `lsblk --fs -o +PARTUUID`
2022-06-02 17:32:38	lowden	susi: trying to boot old entry results in kernel panic even after adding correct parameters
2022-06-02 17:33:18	lowden	nl6720: i didn't expressed correctly, the install is same but there is a old entry and a new entry in refind menu 
2022-06-02 17:33:42	susi	lowden: post that lsblk stuff, and your /boot/refind_linux.conf
2022-06-02 17:33:47	astralc	what is old entry? refind automatically find the kernels
2022-06-02 17:33:54	lowden	lsblk stuff: https://clbin.com/xcFaR
2022-06-02 17:34:00	astralc	unless you edited refind.conf manually
2022-06-02 17:34:45	susi	lowden: and then the /boot/refind_linux.conf
2022-06-02 17:34:49	nl6720	refind also folds the kernels from a single partition by default. so multiple menu (not submenu) entries can only be from multiple partitions
2022-06-02 17:34:52	lowden	i did post above
2022-06-02 17:35:10	susi	the one with empty kernel cmdline?
2022-06-02 17:35:20	susi	what was this about then? https://clbin.com/HsfUe
2022-06-02 17:35:54	lowden	this is the /boot/refind_linux.conf
2022-06-02 17:35:59	nl6720	as seen in lsblk, e9e57605-f648-4025-b8f0-7c565432c9e9 is an UUID not PARTUUID
2022-06-02 17:36:00	susi	what is this, then? https://clbin.com/58lMx
2022-06-02 17:36:25	lowden	^ this was the auto generated conf 
2022-06-02 17:36:33	lowden	which i changed when you said it won't work
2022-06-02 17:36:43	lowden	to  this │10:35     susi | what was this about then? https://clbin.com/HsfUe
2022-06-02 17:36:44	susi	so now replace PARTUUID with UUID in your new refind_linux.conf, and reboot, and see what happens
2022-06-02 17:37:24	susi	lowden: "Boot with standard options"  "root=UUID=e9e57605-f648-4025-b8f0-7c565432c9e9 rw add_efi_memmap initrd=boot\amd-ucode.img initrd=boot\initramfs-linux.img"
2022-06-02 17:37:27	lowden	actually it is UUID in the new, i changed it after previous boot
2022-06-02 17:37:27	susi	something like this
2022-06-02 17:37:40	lowden	and it only changed the old entry
2022-06-02 17:37:59	nl6720	lowden: what is this "old entry"?
2022-06-02 17:38:06	susi	what is this "new entry"?
2022-06-02 17:38:54	lowden	new entry is the one which doesn't result in kernel panic when booting 
2022-06-02 17:39:05	lowden	old entry is which results in kernel panic
2022-06-02 17:39:25	lowden	old entry has a arch linux logo
2022-06-02 17:39:34	lowden	new entry has a tux logo
2022-06-02 17:40:09	lowden	new entry kernel paramater is only initrd=\linux{somthing}.img
2022-06-02 17:40:16	nl6720	if there are multiple entries then they should come from multiple partitions
2022-06-02 17:40:22	susi	but there's only one entry in the refind_linux.conf you posted?
2022-06-02 17:40:27	lowden	yeah
2022-06-02 17:40:47	lowden	nl6720: what do you mean ?
2022-06-02 17:41:15	susi	so booting the 'new entry' is successful?
2022-06-02 17:41:32	nl6720	refind_linux.conf only specifies the submenu entries for each icon. if there are multiple icons then refind finds kernels in multiple partitions
2022-06-02 17:41:47	lowden	no but falls back to rootfs shell saying no real root then i can mount root partition manually and continue booting 
2022-06-02 17:41:55	nl6720	the text below the icon should say "Boot something from something"
2022-06-02 17:42:11	nl6720	rEFInd can take screenshots by pressing F10 and it saves them in the EFI system partition
2022-06-02 17:43:16	DeepDayze	that's if you still have space in there
2022-06-02 17:43:18	lowden	partition or directory inside EFI ?
2022-06-02 17:43:45	nl6720	it saves them on the root of the EFI system partition
2022-06-02 17:43:50	nl6720	IIRC, that is
2022-06-02 17:44:20	nl6720	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/REFInd#Manual_installation "Pressing F10 in rEFInd will save a screenshot to the top level directory of the ESP."
2022-06-02 17:44:21	phrik	Title: rEFInd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-02 17:45:11	nl6720	hmm, I think refind had a log feature too
2022-06-02 17:47:06	lowden	wait a sec where is vmlinuz-linux is supposed to be ?
2022-06-02 17:47:48	nl6720	in the same directory as refind_linux.conf. in /boot
2022-06-02 17:48:17	lowden	/boot/efi/ also has vmlinuz-linux 
2022-06-02 17:48:47	lowden	anf initramfs and stuff
2022-06-02 17:48:54	lowden	its okay right ?
2022-06-02 17:48:54	nl6720	so where did you intend to mount you ESP?
2022-06-02 17:48:59	nl6720	*your
2022-06-02 17:49:16	lowden	/boot
2022-06-02 17:50:11	nl6720	lowden: the first warning in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/REFInd#refind_linux.conf applies to you then
2022-06-02 17:50:12	phrik	Title: rEFInd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-02 17:50:40	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-06-02 17:50:42	susi	if this 'new entry' complains about no real root, yet mounting /dev/sda5 /new_root fixes the thing, you probably have not tried booting with root=UUID=xxx.., but with root=PARTUUID=xxx...
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2022-06-02 17:51:55	nl6720	if the ESP is mounted to /boot, then the initrd paths in https://clbin.com/HsfUe are wrong
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2022-06-02 17:52:36	lowden	its the same for old entry
2022-06-02 17:52:55	lowden	that is why it is wrong since i copied from the old entry 
2022-06-02 17:53:22	lowden	susi: yea i haven't tried the new entry with uuid, only tried with partuuid but manually 
2022-06-02 17:53:23	nl6720	you said the "new" entry had a tux logo, so that one's for the vmlinuz file on the ESP
2022-06-02 17:54:02	lowden	\vmlinuz* right ?
2022-06-02 17:54:18	susi	lowden: though you said "actually it is UUID in the new, i changed it after previous boot"
2022-06-02 17:54:19	nl6720	yes, from the point of refind
2022-06-02 17:54:53	nl6720	I suspect that you have kernel in two places. in /boot on the / volume and on the root of the EFI system partition. that's why there's two entries
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2022-06-02 17:56:10	susi	lowden: why did you only try with partuuid even though you were multiple times told you are trying it with uuid and not partuuid
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2022-06-02 17:56:36	susi	and then even told you changed it to uuid, but now you say you never changed anything
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2022-06-02 17:57:04	nl6720	susi: there could be two refind_linux.conf at play here
2022-06-02 17:57:19	nl6720	on the ESP and in /boot of the / volume
2022-06-02 17:58:03	lowden	susi: its uuid now but the /boot/refind_linux.conf only applied to the old entry
2022-06-02 17:58:23	nl6720	lowden: post you /etc/fstab so that we know where things get mounted
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2022-06-02 17:59:40	lowden	>I suspect that you have kernel in two places. in /boot on the / volume and on the root of the EFI system partition. that's why there's two
2022-06-02 17:59:41	nl6720	so the ESP is mounted to /boot/efi
2022-06-02 17:59:55	lowden	^ i think that is the case 
2022-06-02 17:59:59	astralc	your boot is part of root
2022-06-02 18:00:17	astralc	so you need only /boot/refind_linux.conf
2022-06-02 18:00:43	nl6720	lowden: post the output of `find /boot`
2022-06-02 18:00:55	astralc	and the /boot/efi one should be removed
2022-06-02 18:01:01	lowden	https://clbin.com/ZzTiZ
2022-06-02 18:01:08	astralc	(based on your lsblk output)
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2022-06-02 18:01:45	nl6720	surprise, surprise, there's /boot/vmlinuz-linux and /boot/efi/vmlinuz-linux
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2022-06-02 18:02:02	lowden	astralc: but the /boot/refind_linux.conf is only on my root no ?
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2022-06-02 18:02:13	lowden	the esp partition is mounted on /boot/efi 
2022-06-02 18:02:16	lowden	i think
2022-06-02 18:02:20	astralc	yes, but refind reading it, and using it
2022-06-02 18:02:30	lowden	for old entry only 
2022-06-02 18:02:30	astralc	refind can read from ext4
2022-06-02 18:02:42	nl6720	lowden: refind has autodetection, that's why there's an entry for the one in ESP
2022-06-02 18:02:44	astralc	the kernel and commandline config
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2022-06-02 18:03:02	astralc	it is not systemd-boot
2022-06-02 18:03:05	lowden	so what should i do now
2022-06-02 18:03:10	◣	bug2000 (~bug@user/bug) ha salido (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2022-06-02 18:03:26	nl6720	remove the vmlinuz and initramfs files in /boot/efi
2022-06-02 18:04:09	lowden	but they are the actually working vmlinuz and initramfs no ?
2022-06-02 18:04:20	astralc	.... you have them in /boot
2022-06-02 18:04:23	lowden	since the other one just ends in kernel panic
2022-06-02 18:04:24	◣	bindu (bindu@user/bindu) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2022-06-02 18:04:30	nl6720	"/boot/vmlinuz-linux" should be the working one
2022-06-02 18:04:41	lowden	yeah how do i replace it then 
2022-06-02 18:04:48	astralc	edit /boot/refind_linux.conf to fix the command line
2022-06-02 18:05:09	lowden	astralc: meaning ?
2022-06-02 18:05:13	nl6720	I'd also suggest reinstalling the linux package in case /boot/vmlinuz-linux is an old kernel
2022-06-02 18:05:44	lowden	what if i add a /boot/efi/refind_linux.conf
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2022-06-02 18:06:00	astralc	the first entry in refind_linux is the one automatically boot
2022-06-02 18:06:12	astralc	change it according to you needs/system
2022-06-02 18:06:30	astralc	for my system, it is  "rw root=PARTLABEL=arch-root initrd=boot\intel-ucode.img initrd=boot\initramfs-%v.img quiet"
2022-06-02 18:06:54	astralc	but make sure root=.... is matching you machine
2022-06-02 18:07:01	Shapeshifter	Today I booted my system but it would apparently kernel panic very early. I get dropped into the recovery shell after a while. Seems like nvidia is messing things up. So I removed nvidia from MODULES in mkinitcpio.conf. However, if I want to mkinitcpio -P linux to build the new image, I get "ERROR: /dev must be mounted!". Do I have to mount it manually or is there a straight-forward way to do
2022-06-02 18:07:01	Shapeshifter	what 
2022-06-02 18:07:07	Shapeshifter	I want?
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2022-06-02 18:07:27	nl6720	lowden: the kernel should be in /boot
2022-06-02 18:07:46	lowden	nl6720: how do i make it in boot then ?
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2022-06-02 18:08:19	lowden	from what i can understand when i installed the kernel from chroot it got installed in /boot/efi 
2022-06-02 18:08:35	nl6720	lowden: run `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux /boot/efi/vmlinuz-linux; pacman -Q linux`
2022-06-02 18:08:37	Shapeshifter	It's a bit odd because /dev contains stuff. It also shows up in df -h and mount. So I don't understand the error
2022-06-02 18:09:06	astralc	kernel not installed to /boot/efi by a default process
2022-06-02 18:09:21	astralc	also the kernel in /boot copied there during mkinitcpio
2022-06-02 18:09:34	Shapeshifter	nvm: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Mkinitcpio#%22/dev_must_be_mounted%22_when_it_already_is
2022-06-02 18:09:35	phrik	Title: mkinitcpio - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-02 18:09:48	nl6720	the issue probably is caused by mounting the ESP to /boot one time
2022-06-02 18:10:34	nl6720	since fstab shows that it should be mounted to /boot/efi, then the kernel in this setup should not be in the ESP
2022-06-02 18:10:44	lowden	nl6720: https://clbin.com/VfJg7
2022-06-02 18:11:29	nl6720	hmm, it's the same kernel version. it should be able to boot just fine
2022-06-02 18:11:47	lowden	but the old entry results in kernel panic bcz if initramfs i think
2022-06-02 18:12:09	susi	lowden: could you re-post your /boot/refind_linux.conf
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2022-06-02 18:13:06	susi	or is there /boot/efi/refind_linux.conf?
2022-06-02 18:13:20	nl6720	susi: I don't see one in https://clbin.com/ZzTiZ
2022-06-02 18:13:23	lowden	https://clbin.com/YZjAz
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2022-06-02 18:13:34	lowden	susi: there is no /boot/efi/refind_linux.conf?
2022-06-02 18:13:45	lowden	^ no there is no
2022-06-02 18:14:02	nl6720	lowden: that looks correct
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2022-06-02 18:14:41	lowden	what looks ?
2022-06-02 18:14:43	susi	you sure you are selecting that "Boot with standard options" in the menu
2022-06-02 18:15:05	nl6720	https://clbin.com/YZjAz looks correct to me
2022-06-02 18:15:05	susi	or submenu
2022-06-02 18:15:12	lowden	for old entry yeah, for new entry there is no such menu
2022-06-02 18:15:23	lowden	or submenu
2022-06-02 18:15:45	nl6720	you need to use the one with Arch logo
2022-06-02 18:15:58	lowden	but that results in kernel panic
2022-06-02 18:16:18	susi	then let's inspect the reason of the kernel panic
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2022-06-02 18:16:23	astralc	lowden: run mkinitcpio -P
2022-06-02 18:16:29	nl6720	that does the message say?
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2022-06-02 18:35:46	susi	it's some file for Mac's bootloader to recognize GRUB, it seems
2022-06-02 18:36:13	lowden	refind insatlled it i guess
2022-06-02 18:36:24	lowden	s/insatlled/installed 
2022-06-02 18:36:42	lowden	i should let it be there then
2022-06-02 18:37:41	nl6720	if you can stomach the 34 byte bloat, you can leave it be
2022-06-02 18:37:42	susi	>Set up for booting from Mac HFS+ volume that boots rEFInd in MJG's way
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2022-06-02 18:39:32	lowden	even if i delete it refind will reinstall it 
2022-06-02 18:39:35	lowden	i think
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2022-06-02 18:40:18	susi	it seems SetupMacHfs() function in refind-install touches "$InstallDir/mach_kernel", but I assume your system is not a Mac?
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2022-06-02 18:40:31	susi	so why has it ever run SetupMacHfs...
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2022-06-02 18:41:21	lowden	i think i had manually ran refind-install 
2022-06-02 18:41:29	lowden	could that be the reason 
2022-06-02 18:41:32	susi	there seems to be lots of Mac stuff in your /boot/efi
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2022-06-02 18:42:12	susi	depends on how you ran it, I guess
2022-06-02 18:42:27	lowden	do you not have it ?
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2022-06-02 18:42:39	lowden	can you share your structure ?
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2022-06-02 18:43:15	susi	I don't use refind, and there's not much to compare, so different configurations for everything
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2022-06-02 18:43:49	lowden	did someone tell they used refind ?
2022-06-02 18:43:54	lowden	i kind of frogot
2022-06-02 18:44:00	lowden	*forgot
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2022-06-02 18:44:36	nl6720	I use rEFInd. it has never created any macOS related files for me
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2022-06-02 18:45:19	lowden	can you share what stuff your efi partition has so i can compare and probably remove it
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2022-06-02 18:46:57	susi	did you run refind-install with --alldrivers?
2022-06-02 18:47:14	lowden	no just refind-install
2022-06-02 18:47:14	nl6720	https://paste.rs/OjP my ESP is mounted to /boot (because of an encrypted /), so the structure is slightly different
2022-06-02 18:47:32	lowden	can't say what i ran first time
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2022-06-02 18:50:00	cyphertite	lowden:  I multi-OS boot from one, 100 MiB ESP, mounted at /boot/efi.  Each OS has it's own /boot and /.  Grub can easily mount any of them, whether encrypted, or not
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2022-06-02 18:50:57	nl6720	GRUB still doesn't support LUKS2 with argon2id https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#LUKS2
2022-06-02 18:50:58	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-06-02 18:51:48	susi	lowden: post your `efibootmgr -v`
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2022-06-02 18:52:25	lowden	https://clbin.com/fSjXz
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2022-06-02 18:53:12	lowden	susi: what macos stuff do i have ?
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2022-06-02 18:54:25	susi	probably just /boot/efi/System and /boot/efi/mach_kernel
2022-06-02 18:54:42	susi	(don't mix /System with /System Volume Information, that's Windows stuff)
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2022-06-02 18:55:46	cyphertite	nl6720:  yes, the wiki is accurate ATM, but if you have a link to the practical, actual security implications, I will have a look ;p
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2022-06-02 18:56:33	lowden	i can't really understand why its there
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2022-06-02 18:56:39	nl6720	I don't. I only know that it doesn't fully support LUKS2
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2022-06-02 18:56:59	lowden	but i can't dare to remove all of them and run refind-install again 
2022-06-02 18:57:04	susi	lowden: who cares, it does not take space or anything, let it be
2022-06-02 18:57:42	susi	I guess you did run refind-install with --drivers/--alldrivers at some point
2022-06-02 18:57:56	susi	even long time ago, in the past
2022-06-02 18:58:12	lowden	i can't remember but i must have copied it from some tutorial 
2022-06-02 18:58:21	susi	lowden: stat /boot/efi/mach_kernel
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2022-06-02 18:59:30	lowden	https://clbin.com/czMzd
2022-06-02 18:59:30	◣	sorta (~sorta@user/sorta) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-06-02 18:59:56	susi	see those timestamps
2022-06-02 19:00:00	susi	you have done something in the past
2022-06-02 19:00:23	lowden	looks like
2022-06-02 19:00:47	lowden	see you guys, thanks a bunch again
2022-06-02 19:01:06	susi	not exactly sure about vfat timestamps, but anyways
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2022-06-02 19:20:02	SJrX	Every time I write these, I have just been storing the unit files in a repo with ansible that get copied over later so auto complete is particularly useless because I'd have to run things and have the completed version done before auto complete could detect it.
2022-06-02 19:24:25	mpan	Though I would suggest generating some intermediate database from the .files and using that for queries. Auto-completion involving un-gz-taring 13k files is not going to work well. :P
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2022-06-02 19:28:38	SJrX	Oh yeah I'm just going to precompute this stuff as part of the build of my tool after getting merging the results from a few distributions.
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2022-06-02 19:31:07	mpan	You want to hardcode the values and require the tool to be rebuilt each time the databases change? That will certainly solve a problem of excessive load on Arch mirrors, but I am not sure if the users will be too happy.
2022-06-02 19:31:41	SJrX	IntelliJ supports auto updating so it's just me who has to do a rebuild and they just get a nice prompt. 
2022-06-02 19:31:48	mpan	ok
2022-06-02 19:31:59	SJrX	I already do this for systemd options and manual which is buried in the tool.
2022-06-02 19:32:01	mpan	Seems sane AND saves community-donated bandwidth. ✓
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2022-06-02 19:33:24	cyphertite	technicus:  using btrfs in conjunction with snapper pre/post snapshots may represent a solution 
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2022-06-02 19:41:31	artefact	it's how i do it. doesn't work on esp though, you'll need to be careful as eg mkinitcpio doesn't do atomic overwrite by rename
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2022-06-02 21:04:40	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1491 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1490 normals)
2022-06-02 20:58:53	gehidore	both work fwiw
2022-06-02 20:59:45	susi	I tried to answer to the setting as a client
2022-06-02 21:00:02	gehidore	well played susi I'm just dense today
2022-06-02 21:04:22	Vorpal	warning: perl-datetime-format-builder: local (0.8100-9) is newer than community (0.83-1)
2022-06-02 21:04:25	Vorpal	that is strange
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2022-06-02 22:30:16	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1488 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1487 normals)
2022-06-02 22:20:32	pmarg	Hi! I installed Arch yesterday, and is looking for any good Local RSS feed reader, any recomendations.
2022-06-02 22:21:22	chewing_bever	i've used newsflash for quite a while, it's pretty good
2022-06-02 22:21:46	pmarg	I'll check it out.
2022-06-02 22:22:16	chewing_bever	it's in the community repo as "newsflash"
2022-06-02 22:22:48	topcat001	newsboat
2022-06-02 22:22:51	thursdaylark	I don't have any specific reqs, but there's a list here if you want to peruse what's available: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications#News_aggregators
2022-06-02 22:22:52	phrik	Title: List of applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-02 22:24:10	topcat001	I use newsboat in a tmux pane and if I need to render it graphically (rare) I just press 'o' and it opens in qutebrowser :)
2022-06-02 22:24:18	pmarg	thursdaylark: alright! thanks :)
2022-06-02 22:24:39	naquad	liferea, newsboat
2022-06-02 22:24:56	topcat001	y that list is nice, and where I found mine from
2022-06-02 22:30:18	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-03 00:08:05	Bayes	if this doesn't make any sense just say so, but is there any way I can install okular without installing all these 63 dependences? o_O http://ix.io/3ZeN
2022-06-03 00:08:35	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-03 00:24:59	TheDcoder	Got it
2022-06-03 00:32:16	mingdao	!give TheDcoder poll
2022-06-03 00:32:17	phrik	TheDcoder: Compensation for channel surveys is accepted in Dogecoins, Simoleons, and Kongbucks.
2022-06-03 00:32:34	mingdao	The only pay they get, so ask moar kwesturns!
2022-06-03 00:55:27	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-03 01:15:53	mpan	concrete-houses: by answering questions you have already been asked and did not answer.
2022-06-03 01:17:47	mpan	Actually… you already got your answer too.
2022-06-03 01:17:49	mpan	!ops
2022-06-03 01:17:49	phrik	alad, amcrae, gehidore/man, grawity, heftig, jelle, MrElendig/Mion, Namarrgon, tigrmesh/tigr, wonder/ioni
2022-06-03 01:18:22	mpan	(a troll, repeats the same question over and over for days now, ignoring both requests for more detailed information AND answers)
2022-06-03 01:19:01	mpan	(2 weeks now, since 21st)
2022-06-03 01:20:36	Baphomet	Hello there! Is there a way to update the kernel but keep the latest 'n' (i.e. 3) old kernels for backup purposes? 
2022-06-03 01:20:54	BrainDamage	create a hook that makes a copy
2022-06-03 01:21:02	BrainDamage	but you'll have to copy the modules too
2022-06-03 01:21:21	BrainDamage	but the cache already should have all the old kernels you have installed
2022-06-03 01:21:23	Baphomet	BrainDamage: yes, I have been doing it manually (but it's annoying) 
2022-06-03 01:21:41	Baphomet	BrainDamage: which cache?
2022-06-03 01:21:47	BrainDamage	pacman's
2022-06-03 01:22:08	Baphomet	So I could easily reinstall them from the cache?
2022-06-03 01:22:12	BrainDamage	yes
2022-06-03 01:22:18	BrainDamage	provided you don't delete it
2022-06-03 01:22:22	Baphomet	Do you know the default location of this cache?
2022-06-03 01:22:35	BrainDamage	 /var/cache/pacman/pkg/
2022-06-03 01:23:22	Baphomet	Thanks a lot!
2022-06-03 01:23:27	BrainDamage	normally package downgrades are problematic, but the kernel is pretty much self contained
2022-06-03 01:23:37	BrainDamage	so just pacman -U the one you want to use
2022-06-03 01:24:29	BrainDamage	you can use paccache to manage the cache and keep say, last 3 packages
2022-06-03 01:24:39	BrainDamage	or even ignore all kernels from cache purges
2022-06-03 01:24:57	BrainDamage	because eventually, the cache will grow too large and you'll have to clean it up
2022-06-03 01:25:31	MacGyver	As long as you don't downgrade the kernel past the point where systemd can no longer run on it, which is, what, 5 years worth of version ago?
2022-06-03 01:25:49	Baphomet	Thanks a lot, I'll have a look because now I know where I lost my diskspace LOL the dir size is more than 15G
2022-06-03 01:26:46	BrainDamage	 ncdu can help you seeing where the disk is allocated
2022-06-03 01:36:12	Baphomet	Interesting, I used to dun du -hs /* and manually navigating the greatest folders... Which usually are my home directory LOL
2022-06-03 01:38:24	Pebby	I've got a nice doozy of an issue. Updated (pacman -Syu) a fairly old arch installation on a VPS and got a ton of warnings during the run that commands were failing, 'kernel too old'. After the update, nothing worked (ls, cd, etc.) and said 'kernel too old.' My vps provider gives me a rescue boot where I can mount the filesystem from a _very_ old arch image, but attempting to chroot in yields
2022-06-03 01:38:24	Pebby	'kernel too old'. Any idea how to 
2022-06-03 01:38:24	Pebby	proceed?
2022-06-03 01:39:16	Scimmia	Pebby: vm or container?
2022-06-03 01:40:25	Pebby	Scimmia: vm
2022-06-03 01:40:50	Scimmia	so it should be running the Arch kernel. How old was it?
2022-06-03 01:41:09	Scimmia	and are you holding back the kernel?
2022-06-03 01:41:24	Pebby	Ancient, like a 3.x kernel in the image
2022-06-03 01:41:56	Pebby	I am not holding back the kernel, but (searching docs on my vm provider now) I don't have a newer arch image to boot from
2022-06-03 01:42:18	Scimmia	I meant the actual installation, not the image
2022-06-03 01:42:54	Pebby	Oh, gosh... the installation was probably on a similar 3.x kernel before I hosed it.
2022-06-03 01:44:08	Scimmia	So we're talking more than 7 years? Yeah, updating that isn't going to work right. Pacman that old can't even handle current packages
2022-06-03 01:44:55	Scimmia	reinstallation is your best option
2022-06-03 01:45:04	Baphomet	I think you might have glib issues too
2022-06-03 01:45:35	Baphomet	I don't know how well glib keeps backwards compatibility
2022-06-03 01:45:42	Pebby	That's what I figured... I assumed glibc issues.
2022-06-03 01:45:48	omen	any alternatives for cmatrix, with less cpu usage? don't have to be matrix related
2022-06-03 01:46:30	omen	(i use it as kind of placeholder)
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2022-06-03 02:08:26	Baphomet	shadowless: yeah I do that sometimes
2022-06-03 02:09:17	Baphomet	But I am trying the `ncdu` now, let's see how it goes 
2022-06-03 02:09:53	Baphomet	It's certainly taking some time... Anyway, I have released 12G thanks to paccache and kept kernels and glibs
2022-06-03 02:10:06	Baphomet	Thanks a lot folks
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2022-06-03 02:36:58	bj33	Amazing. I just installed it today, together with Steam. I'm running very old hardware, old enough to not support Vulkan. As I run Steam, tons of error messages concerning the X server and Vulkan are logged. Once the logging screen opens, nothing is readable. Where text should be, there are seemingly random or displaced pixels. I'm not good at looking at logs, so I've not been able to identify
2022-06-03 02:36:58	bj33	anything significant beyond what I'm providing here. A simple run 
2022-06-03 02:36:59	bj33	(opening and closing) of Steam gives the following log: https://paste.rs/eiX All help is appreciated, thanks.
2022-06-03 02:37:32	concrete-houses	wait a second 
2022-06-03 02:37:42	concrete-houses	I dont have those questions way back and not troll
2022-06-03 02:37:48	zewm	What is your hardware / DE setup?
2022-06-03 02:39:12	zewm	bj33: Are you in X or running it from a tty?
2022-06-03 02:39:41	bj33	Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300, 8GB ram ddr3, 500GB hd, Nvidia GT610 (yeah, laughable).
2022-06-03 02:39:53	bj33	I'm on X, running XFCE currently.
2022-06-03 02:40:11	zewm	What video drivers are you running?
2022-06-03 02:40:23	thrice	and trying to run as user (not root), right?
2022-06-03 02:40:33	bj33	The proprietary ones, according to the wiki. (nvidia-390xx and the others).
2022-06-03 02:40:34	zewm	yeah the pastebin shows $
2022-06-03 02:40:40	bj33	Yes, as my user.
2022-06-03 02:41:06	zewm	Did you install steam as a flatpak or as a regular repo?
2022-06-03 02:41:15	kill	why my system gets slow when updating it
2022-06-03 02:41:21	bj33	Cloned it from AUR and makepkg -si'd it.
2022-06-03 02:41:29	thrice	kill: alot of disk writing?
2022-06-03 02:41:32	zewm	why are you using aur version?
2022-06-03 02:41:33	kill	I have one ssd for / and another for /home and my firefox is in the third ssd
2022-06-03 02:41:38	zewm	Arch has it in the repos directly
2022-06-03 02:41:39	kill	I have 3 disks
2022-06-03 02:41:54	bj33	Oh, I'll try it then.
2022-06-03 02:41:56	bj33	Thanks.
2022-06-03 02:42:02	kill	oh sorry, the third one is only OS backup
2022-06-03 02:42:15	kill	but I mean, my issue probably is from ssd /
2022-06-03 02:42:24	zewm	bj33: sudo pacman -Rns <aur version name> first
2022-06-03 02:42:33	zewm	then sudo pacamn -S steam
2022-06-03 02:42:35	kill	this ssd has a partition for random stuff and firefox profile
2022-06-03 02:43:26	bj33	Thanks.
2022-06-03 02:43:34	bj33	Just did it and it still has the same problem.
2022-06-03 02:43:42	zewm	then remove that one
2022-06-03 02:43:50	zewm	and attempt the flatpak version?
2022-06-03 02:43:50	bj33	The official reps one?
2022-06-03 02:43:53	zewm	yea
2022-06-03 02:43:55	bj33	Aight, will do
2022-06-03 02:44:00	zewm	You know how to do flatpak?
2022-06-03 02:44:30	bj33	I guess I just need to install it with sudo pacman -S flatpak and flatpak install steam? I haven't used it in a whole lot of time.
2022-06-03 02:44:36	thrice	!aw steam
2022-06-03 02:44:37	phrik	thrice: Steam - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Steam
2022-06-03 02:45:14	zewm	bj33: yes, but to run it from terminal is different
2022-06-03 02:45:20	zewm	try launching it from your DE first
2022-06-03 02:46:32	zewm	bj33: 'flatpak run com.valvesoftware.Steam'
2022-06-03 02:46:35	zewm	to run from terminal
2022-06-03 02:55:57	bj33	zewm: Thanks a lot. You've solved it.
2022-06-03 02:56:02	bj33	Works like a charm.
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2022-06-03 05:17:35	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1454 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1453 normals)
2022-06-03 04:56:17	blinux	Anyone use plasma and know why Dolphin would show a drive as not mounted even though I know it has been mounted with fstab before installing Plasma and Steam can access a game library on it without click on the drive in Dolphin which mounts it?
2022-06-03 04:57:55	Ken123	samba or nfs ?
2022-06-03 04:59:11	SponiX	Ken123: I've always uses Samba, but folks in another help channel said nfs is the way to go now, and it is easily enabled in Windows 10
2022-06-03 05:01:30	Ken123	@SponiX Sorry I was trying to help someone but I forgot to use the @ I was asking them a question lol
2022-06-03 05:04:03	Scimmia	!give Ken123 @
2022-06-03 05:04:03	phrik	Ken123: IRC is not Twitter – please do not use @name to address people. use name, or name: instead. Using @ also prevents you from tab-completing nicks in your IRC client.
2022-06-03 05:05:33	zewm	Ken123: Can you check if the drive mounted properly using lsblk and checking where it says mountpoint?
2022-06-03 05:06:40	blinux	Ken123, zewm, were you talking to me? I see the drives listed under lsblk even though Dolphin shows it not mounted.
2022-06-03 05:07:14	zewm	oh yea my bad, got your names mixed up
2022-06-03 05:07:33	blinux	I was using i3wm before and not I'm using Plasma and notice this. Also, Dolphin was not installed with the plasma meta package.
2022-06-03 05:07:52	zewm	blinux: Did you look where the mountpoint is located? (using Dolphin) or do you mean it's not showing up as a quick access on the left side?
2022-06-03 05:08:58	blinux	zewm, It is showing up under quick access on the left side. It just has a little orange icon on it and if I click on the drive that icon goes away and it supposedly mounts, or I can right click and mount. The other SSD doesn't have this and should be the same.
2022-06-03 05:10:33	blinux	Then the stuff on the left is confusing too because I think some stuff is duplicated.
2022-06-03 05:11:22	zewm	have you tried deleting your dolphin config and restarting the program?
2022-06-03 05:12:40	blinux	I see the dolphinrc file, but nothing in there relating to drives on the left.
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2022-06-03 05:35:26	blinux	Ken123, Everything drive related is just listed under Devices only.
2022-06-03 05:35:47	lf94	Screw it, did noto-fonts-cjk
2022-06-03 05:37:44	Ken123	@blinux I have to leave and fix my IRC client, I don't want to be annoying everyone on here, it's not replying correctly. 
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2022-06-03 06:37:22	grawity	ugh I guess I need to become a TU myself to fix libutempter for good
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2022-06-03 09:29:28	noobaroo	Near the very end of building gcc-libs, I'm getting this error 
2022-06-03 09:30:58	noobaroo	http://0x0.st/oBhR.txt Anybody know what this means?
2022-06-03 09:32:53	HuntsMan	noobaroo: that something failed, the complete log will tell you more
2022-06-03 09:33:26	noobaroo	Complete log is where? @HuntsMan
2022-06-03 09:34:31	HuntsMan	in your screen?
2022-06-03 09:34:39	HuntsMan	in the terminal where you ran the command
2022-06-03 09:38:59	noobaroo	I uploaded that to 0x0.st and shared above
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2022-06-03 09:59:38	noobaroo	HuntsMan, That's the only error displayed. If you don't know the answer to my question, better to stay stilent, rather than waste my time 
2022-06-03 10:00:32	novns	noobaroo, search for build.log or something like this in that directory
2022-06-03 10:01:06	novns	noobaroo, what package do you build?
2022-06-03 10:01:26	novns	and what commands do you invoke?
2022-06-03 10:03:04	novns	noobaroo, and please respond quickly, I don't have much time to wait
2022-06-03 10:06:02	noobaroo	novns I just downloaded the PKGBUILD and other patches from sv github, and did makepkg -si 
2022-06-03 10:06:28	noobaroo	gcc-libs
2022-06-03 10:07:03	novns	noobaroo, what repository exactly?
2022-06-03 10:07:39	noobaroo	Hmm I don't see a build.log. But I do see a configure.log 
2022-06-03 10:07:49	novns	noobaroo, what repository exactly?
2022-06-03 10:07:56	noobaroo	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/tree/packages/gcc/trunk
2022-06-03 10:08:56	noobaroo	My terminal doesn't show the entire output of building the package, it was building for over an hour with tons of output. Everything went well right up until the end
2022-06-03 10:11:44	horzion	my jbl xtreme 2 has very low quality sound when used via bluetooth using pipewire. idk since when that issue persists, since i havent used it for a few months, but i know it used to work with it
2022-06-03 10:12:26	horzion	issue is unaffected by the use of bluez5 and bluez5-git, i have yet to test tho how it interacts on pipewire compared to pipewire-git
2022-06-03 10:12:46	horzion	i am on arch testing, but also was at the point when it used to work
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2022-06-03 10:37:15	novns	noobaroo, it's almost finished here, will see
2022-06-03 10:38:45	novns	noobaroo, anyway, it's the same gcc as in the core, why do you build it yourself?
2022-06-03 10:44:50	novns	and he's gome
2022-06-03 10:44:53	novns	*gone
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2022-06-03 11:08:57	horzion	i never needed to change card profiles, where do i find a list of possible profiles i can use?
2022-06-03 11:13:47	artefact	pactl list sinks, maybe?
2022-06-03 11:13:54	tatsumaru	hey guys, I gave a laptop to a service to have its ssd removed and dust cleaned and now when I try to install arch on it after the arch boot screen I get a 'waiting 30 seconds for device /dev/disk/by-label/ARCH_2020108' followed by 'ERROR: /dev/disk/by-label/ARCH_2020108 did not show up after 30 seconds'
2022-06-03 11:13:56	tatsumaru	any ideas?
2022-06-03 11:14:09	tatsumaru	s/removed/replaced
2022-06-03 11:14:30	artefact	bad installation medium, probably. does it boot on another machine/in a vm? tatsumaru 
2022-06-03 11:14:34	post-factum	what do you boot from?
2022-06-03 11:14:46	tatsumaru	usb drive
2022-06-03 11:14:56	post-factum	how did you write it?
2022-06-03 11:14:59	tatsumaru	dd
2022-06-03 11:15:16	artefact	did you use conv=fsync? or immediately unplug it after it was done?
2022-06-03 11:15:42	nl6720	2020108 is quite old
2022-06-03 11:15:56	tatsumaru	artefact: I pressed the unmount button in gnome explorer which I think unmounts it properly since there is a loading icon when I do so
2022-06-03 11:15:58	grawity	should still be ok given it's a netinstall
2022-06-03 11:16:01	post-factum	ARCH_202206 is the newest one
2022-06-03 11:16:13	grawity	tatsumaru: wait, do you mean it was mounted while you dd'd the image over?
2022-06-03 11:16:14	tatsumaru	sorry its 202108
2022-06-03 11:16:32	tatsumaru	grawity I am not sure
2022-06-03 11:16:34	post-factum	i don't know how gnome works, but you should have unmounted it because you shouldn't have mounted it in the first place
2022-06-03 11:16:39	grawity	if it was mounted, then umounting might have scribbled all over the newly written data
2022-06-03 11:16:43	nl6720	grawity: won't there be keyring issues. those constantly happen even with the latest iso
2022-06-03 11:16:51	artefact	keyring issues, yes
2022-06-03 11:17:05	grawity	so yeah do it again, but unmount it e.g. via gnome-disks or `sudo umount` (not fully eject though)
2022-06-03 11:17:15	artefact	or just use dd conv=fsync
2022-06-03 11:17:20	post-factum	dd if=archlinux-2022.05.01-x86_64.iso of=/dev/sda bs=4M oflag=direct status=progress
2022-06-03 11:17:30	nl6720	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/USB_flash_installation_medium#In_GNU/Linux lists all possible commands
2022-06-03 11:17:31	phrik	Title: USB flash installation medium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-03 11:17:36	grawity	i.e. *before* you start the write
2022-06-03 11:17:51	grawity	(if you want you can use gnome-disks' "restore image" instead of dd)
2022-06-03 11:17:53	horzion	artefact: this sadly only list the other two profiles that have the same trashy quality
2022-06-03 11:18:05	tatsumaru	how can I check if its mounted or not
2022-06-03 11:18:28	nl6720	tatsumaru: findmnt
2022-06-03 11:18:30	artefact	tatsumaru: /proc/mounts
2022-06-03 11:18:38	horzion	i suspect that its limited, because it somehow wants to force my jbl as headset and not as speakers
2022-06-03 11:18:39	grawity	tatsumaru: lsblk, findmnt, whether the "|>" icon shows up in gnome-disks
2022-06-03 11:18:55	horzion	but again, no idea how to fix that. on pulseaudio it just worked
2022-06-03 11:19:09	artefact	horzion: that sounds plausible. try asking #pipewire on oftc
2022-06-03 11:19:13	astralc	horzion: pactl list
2022-06-03 11:19:15	grawity	horzion: the profiles it lists is the profiles you can use; that's the problem, it thinks your device *can't* use the good profiles because it did not detect ad2p capability
2022-06-03 11:19:33	astralc	is there a2dp-sink there?
2022-06-03 11:19:35	horzion	yes
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2022-06-03 11:52:41	grawity	grub doesn't use a partition on MBR disks even if I want it to use one
2022-06-03 11:52:50	grawity	but I had an idea about how to make that work
2022-06-03 11:52:54	nl6720	yes, it uses the post-MBR gap
2022-06-03 11:53:22	grawity	create a partition for grub manually, write the core image there, mark the partition 'active', and use the syslinux MBR to boot it
2022-06-03 11:53:38	grawity	that might work
2022-06-03 11:54:19	nl6720	even if it works, that's probably not worth the hassle for most people
2022-06-03 11:55:26	Abdullah	I have encrypted lvm, and my root partition is full. What should I delete which won't affect my system
2022-06-03 11:55:35	grawity	well yeah, especially with it requiring a whole primary partition, but I'm still curious about whether it'll work
2022-06-03 11:55:55	grawity	Abdullah: use LVM to add more space to the root partition?
2022-06-03 11:56:08	Abdullah	http://ix.io/3ZgW
2022-06-03 11:56:26	Abdullah	its encrypted. so is that possible grawity 
2022-06-03 11:56:35	grawity	isn't that why you're using LVM in the first place?
2022-06-03 11:57:12	grawity	I mean I don't know the exact layout (try `lsblk -M`)
2022-06-03 11:57:19	nl6720	they're most likely using LVM just to have multiple volumes in one LUKS container
2022-06-03 11:57:28	grawity	but it should be possible, shrink the home LV and add the space to root LV
2022-06-03 11:57:59	nl6720	there's not much space to reclaim from home
2022-06-03 11:58:09	omen	this is why i have just one partition
2022-06-03 11:58:22	artefact	you can just use gpt over dm-crypt, too
2022-06-03 11:58:28	frostschutz	Abdullah, or you can check your pacman cache or rotate/compress log files / sizelimit journal ... sometimes its just cruft
2022-06-03 11:58:38	artefact	(i just do straight btrfs over dm-crypt, no gpt at all)
2022-06-03 11:59:27	nl6720	28G used is not much, I doubt there's much to reclaim
2022-06-03 11:59:58	Abdullah	grawity: http://ix.io/3ZgX
2022-06-03 12:01:16	nl6720	the only solution I could think of is to get a larger drive :(
2022-06-03 12:01:24	Abdullah	hmm
2022-06-03 12:01:30	grawity	go through `sudo ncdu -x /` just in case
2022-06-03 12:01:38	grawity	to see what you have in there
2022-06-03 12:01:46	grawity	and maybe what you have in /home
2022-06-03 12:01:51	grawity	but yeah, time to download more disk
2022-06-03 12:02:56	Abdullah	frostschutz: /dev/mapper/nix-root ext4       30G   13G   16G  46% /
2022-06-03 12:03:29	frostschutz	right
2022-06-03 12:04:20	Abdullah	frostschutz: just after pacman -Sc
2022-06-03 12:05:57	nl6720	Abdullah: in that case, you may want to enable paccache.timer (from pacman-contrib package) to clean it regularly
2022-06-03 12:07:25	Abdullah	what if I do it with pacman hook?
2022-06-03 12:07:33	frostschutz	also check the systemd journal and other logfiles, anyway. nobody reads yesteryears logs or you can keep those elsewhere and not where it occupies space you might need for day to day operations
2022-06-03 12:07:34	Abdullah	without paccache
2022-06-03 12:07:56	nl6720	journal gets purged automatically after a certain size
2022-06-03 12:08:12	nl6720	Abdullah: your choice
2022-06-03 12:08:35	frostschutz	maybe the defaults changed at some point, it used to grow huge in archlinux too
2022-06-03 12:09:17	Abdullah	/dev/mapper/nix-root ext4       30G   12G   17G  43% /
2022-06-03 12:09:35	Abdullah	after systemd journal leaving only for 2 days
2022-06-03 12:09:46	Abdullah	got one more G
2022-06-03 12:10:46	nl6720	frostschutz: see SystemMaxUse and SystemKeepFree in https://man.archlinux.org/man/journald.conf.5 
2022-06-03 12:10:47	phrik	Title: journald.conf(5) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2022-06-03 12:10:50	nl6720	"The first pair defaults to 10% and the second to 15% of the size of the respective file system, but each value is capped to 4G"
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2022-06-03 13:27:15	sindibad363	Hello everyone. I have a small problem. I want to use anbox, but something is wrong. I have linux-zen kernel but ashmem seems to be off. What should I do?
2022-06-03 13:29:44	sindibad363	here is anbox system-info https://dpaste.com/F2BPFURRW
2022-06-03 13:29:48	phrik	Title: dpaste: $ anbox system-info; (at dpaste.com)
2022-06-03 13:31:53	MacGyver	There's an aur package for the dkms-version of the modules you need, referenced on the anbox archwiki page.
2022-06-03 13:31:57	Namarrgon	sindibad363: ashmem was removed from the kernel, use anbox-dkms
2022-06-03 13:32:30	Namarrgon	*anbox-modules-dkms
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2022-06-03 13:49:24	jtmpspm	hi.   I have a new external hdd, formatted an ext4 partition and copied a few hundred gb of data on no problem. But now when I try access the data I get these kind of messages in the systemd journal  http://ix.io/3Zhk and then Input/Output errors in the terminal.  Is this a faulty drive or something else going on?
2022-06-03 13:51:36	Namarrgon	smartctl -a /dev/sdc
2022-06-03 13:53:25	jtmpspm	ah yes I hadn't thought of that,  here's the output http://ix.io/3Zhl
2022-06-03 13:57:49	frostschutz	jtmpspm, might be an usb cable or power issue
2022-06-03 13:58:37	colo	most probably, yes
2022-06-03 13:58:54	Namarrgon	the disk itself hasn't logged any errors yet
2022-06-03 13:59:14	colo	I would not trust the data toy tried storing on it to be intact
2022-06-03 13:59:22	colo	s/toy/you
2022-06-03 13:59:26	colo	(wtf...)
2022-06-03 13:59:39	Namarrgon	does the case have a separate power connector apart from the usb port?
2022-06-03 14:00:26	jtmpspm	I have another copy of the data so I am not too worried about that.  I suspected a bad enclosure so replaced that and have similar result 
2022-06-03 14:00:44	Namarrgon	does it work fine when connected via sata?
2022-06-03 14:00:52	jtmpspm	 ... but hang on, I just realised I am using the same usb cable both times
2022-06-03 14:01:03	frostschutz	if you're using an unpowered usb hub, sometimes that's an issue, even if the HDD itself has its own power supply
2022-06-03 14:01:33	jtmpspm	it is usb direct to a powered external enclosure 
2022-06-03 14:01:56	colo	trying another cable and/or port can't do any harm
2022-06-03 14:02:35	Vorpal	also, if it is a normal drive in the enclosure and you have a desktop, try putting it directly in that
2022-06-03 14:03:21	colo	(everything we all have was built by the lowest bidder after all ;))
2022-06-03 14:04:33	jtmpspm	originally I was trying on a rasbperry pi (also running archlinux), that had this problem so I try on my laptop to get the same thing
2022-06-03 14:05:11	Vorpal	jtmpspm: you don't happened to have another enclosure or the ability to test the drive in a desktop bypassing the enclosure?
2022-06-03 14:07:22	jtmpspm	hah I think it's as simple as a bad USB cable - I am just running a shasum over all the files and it's working perfectly now.    thanks everyone :)
2022-06-03 14:07:42	Vorpal	jtmpspm: I would keep an eye on the disk though for a while
2022-06-03 14:10:42	jtmpspm	yes I'll make sure I have backups of everything on there,  although this shasum test was failing within seconds previously
2022-06-03 14:19:49	sloorush	hi
2022-06-03 14:22:54	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-03 14:57:34	Vorpal	guardian: some drives (mostly HDDs, not SSDs in my experience) may give you the status of the ongoing test in smartctl -c
2022-06-03 14:57:53	Vorpal	many SSDs just seem to indicate if a test is ongoing in general or not
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2022-06-03 16:18:42	cagrio	hey all, i've very strange issue. when power is connected it says 'not charging' but if try to edit /sys/class/power_supply/BAT*/charge_control_start_threshold, and quit without saving(i also get write error(maybe disk is full?) when i try to change that value), it starts charging. i have a lenovo thinkpad
2022-06-03 16:19:02	cagrio	any ideas?
2022-06-03 16:19:35	zewm	Is it a laptop?
2022-06-03 16:19:40	zewm	Is it Gnome DE?
2022-06-03 16:20:21	zewm	I noticed something on my laptop in which (At least in Gnome), if the battery was 90% or higher it wouldn't 'charge'
2022-06-03 16:20:35	zewm	but when it dropped below 90% it would start charging
2022-06-03 16:25:15	SleepyMario	zewm: there's a gnome extension that does this to save your battery, i forgot what's it called and such
2022-06-03 16:25:20	SleepyMario	worthy of checking?
2022-06-03 16:25:47	SleepyMario	as apparently charging it to 90% instead of 100% is far better to your battery in the long run
2022-06-03 16:25:50	SleepyMario	but i'm no expert on this
2022-06-03 16:26:50	zewm	Correct. most LI batteries are suggested to deplete until 20% and only charge up to 80%-90% for maximum life
2022-06-03 16:34:35	cagrio	it is laptop, i use openbox though
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2022-06-03 17:00:06	Vorpal	cagrio: when it comes to error when writing, are you doing that writing as root? Also I believe it takes specific format, so using echo may be better than using an editor
2022-06-03 17:00:35	Vorpal	cagrio: I use TLP to manage the charge thresholds for my thinkpads. Apart from various battery saving things, tlp can do that too
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2022-06-03 17:38:15	Shapeshifter	BrainDamage: that's what I thought, but it's not working. Notifications are enabled in xpra.
2022-06-03 17:39:08	BrainDamage	System notifications require the xpra server to have its own instance of a dbus daemon, if it is missing a warning will be printed on startup.
2022-06-03 17:39:11	BrainDamage	show the log?
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2022-06-03 18:18:32	sn00p	I am trying to boot the arch linux iso it says vmx outside TXT disabled by bios then it says  pnp 00:01 cant evaluate CRS then it says starting version 250.5-1-arch running hook udev trigger uevents then it just hangs
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2022-06-03 19:30:59	ishan	hii all 
2022-06-03 19:31:15	pmarg	ishan_ Hi!
2022-06-03 19:32:18	ishan	I am a tiny bit concerned... I have ~1425 packages installed on my machine. I casually run `trizen -Syyu` every other day to update stuff and there hasn't been a single update in almost a week? i don't recall this ever happening before. Usually, There are updates almost every 2-3 days. 
2022-06-03 19:36:19	artefact	your software and/or mirror is broken
2022-06-03 19:37:05	ishan	these are the packages I have installed https://termbin.com/rhiy
2022-06-03 19:37:21	ishan	and I have almost all the mirrors in my config. (I had used rankmirrors to generate this, https://termbin.com/fnq5) 
2022-06-03 19:37:44	ishan	I have also tried clearing pacman cache and installing packages but it still shows that there are no new updates 
2022-06-03 19:38:53	Scimmia	The top mirror is the only one that matters
2022-06-03 19:39:34	ishan	Hmm
2022-06-03 19:39:45	Scimmia	and it hasn't synced in about 250 hours. https://archlinux.org/mirrors/cse.iitk.ac.in/196/
2022-06-03 19:39:49	ishan	And something is definitely broken. I have inkscape 1.2.2 installed and latest available is 1.2.3
2022-06-03 19:39:50	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - http://mirror.cse.iitk.ac.in/archlinux/ - URL Details (at archlinux.org)
2022-06-03 19:40:05	ishan	i will change it 
2022-06-03 19:40:10	ishan	thank you so much for helping Scimmia 
2022-06-03 19:40:18	ishan	I didn't knew there was a way to check this 
2022-06-03 19:40:51	ishan	removed that mirror and now I see ~1.5G of updates 
2022-06-03 19:40:52	ishan	heh
2022-06-03 19:48:43	hiya	Is cloudflare repo so slow? Or something changed?
2022-06-03 20:04:33	daru_	anyone know a command to determine battery level of a connected bluetooth device via cli?
2022-06-03 20:04:56	daru_	checked bluetoothcli but cannot find the stat there :/
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2022-06-03 22:18:58	astralc	blacklight: try to build the package with updated version yourself? at least until it update in repo
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2022-06-03 22:30:28	blacklight	astralc: I've retrieved/edited PKGBUILD for AUR packages before, but never for official ones. What's the best way to get the PKGBUILD and all of its patches/extra files?
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2022-06-03 22:30:44	BrainDamage	asp
2022-06-03 22:30:51	BrainDamage	the command
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2022-06-03 22:34:30	artefact	asp export or asp checkout
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2022-06-04 12:45:43	drathir_tor	tatsumaru: You sure not get enabled uefi and have install in bios mode ?
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2022-06-04 12:50:09	drathir_tor	tatsumaru: if its for sure bios mode make sure grub-install and grub-mkconfig commands used...  i remember bios+gpt needed hybrid partitions for m$ but linux aalways works ootb with bios+got...
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2022-06-04 13:01:59	noobaroo	Is there a reason that /usr/bin/firefox is a one line shell script that invokes /usr/lib/firefox/firefox with all the same arguments?  
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2022-06-04 13:02:12	noobaroo	Would it not be more efficient to just use a symlink instead?
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2022-06-04 13:25:58	drathir_tor	noobaroo: interesting looks like only aurora and nightly looks using symlinks firefox and firefox-developer-edition seems not...
2022-06-04 13:26:37	astralc	noobaroo: it have some libs in /usr/lib/firefox, maybe with local dynamic loading
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2022-06-04 13:47:25	noobaroo	I think the meme about Arch being all about "spending time fixing issues" is highly unwarranted
2022-06-04 13:47:47	mpan	jelle: the link you gave *allows* calls.
2022-06-04 13:47:52	jelle	mpan: yes, exactly
2022-06-04 13:47:58	jelle	mpan: which was your question righto
2022-06-04 13:47:59	mpan	I ask about blocking calls. :)
2022-06-04 13:48:04	jelle	mpan: that requires ~
2022-06-04 13:48:08	⚡ 	jelle confused now
2022-06-04 13:48:14	mpan	Yes, but for each entry or only at the begining of the line?
2022-06-04 13:48:37	mpan	Because there is difference between what manual says and what systemd-analyze says.
2022-06-04 13:49:23	jelle	mpan: I was trying to check and then systemd segfaulted
2022-06-04 13:49:59	mpan	(and yes, I am aware there was a bug report open against exactly that situation: but it was for systemd-250 and --offline option specifically)
2022-06-04 13:50:41	mpan	ok, time to venture into a new channel. thanks
2022-06-04 13:50:56	lmat	I'm using the bpftrace package. I'm wanting to run execsnoop (for instance). Although man execsnoop; shows a page and suggests I should simply be able to  execsnoop.bt;, that's not the case. I did  cd /usr/share/bpftrace/tools && sudo chmod +x execsnoop.bt && sudo ./execsnoop.bt;  and it runs, but has an error:
2022-06-04 13:51:01	lmat	"definitions.h:29:3: error: unknown type name 's64' ...ERROR: Include headers with missing type definitions or install BTF information to your system."
2022-06-04 13:51:12	jelle	lmat: you'll need linux-headers
2022-06-04 13:52:11	lmat	jelle: There's no way you read my whole message before responding :-P
2022-06-04 13:52:29	jelle	ok
2022-06-04 13:52:30	lmat	jelle: I installed that package and still get the same error. Do I need to reboot?
2022-06-04 13:52:50	jelle	lmat: if linux-headers && uname -a are not the same most likely yes
2022-06-04 13:52:59	lmat	okay
2022-06-04 13:53:16	lmat	yeah, they don't match. Thank you!
2022-06-04 13:54:30	noobaroo	jelle, is there a reason Firefox package in Arch puts a 1line shell script in /usr/bin instead of a symlink?
2022-06-04 13:54:37	jelle	noobaroo: no idea
2022-06-04 13:55:35	jelle	it's not really an issue
2022-06-04 13:59:14	noobaroo	yeah, I'm just learning about shell lately and interested in the workings.
2022-06-04 14:00:13	noobaroo	I can't really determine why someone would go for that instead of a symlink, it's more overhead for zero gain as far as I can tell
2022-06-04 14:00:22	noobaroo	Other distros use a symlink 
2022-06-04 14:00:31	jelle	"overhead"
2022-06-04 14:01:02	jelle	noobaroo: most likely reason is for historical reasons
2022-06-04 14:01:26	dev4449	noobaroo: thanks for answering
2022-06-04 14:02:57	dev4449	jelle: could you tell if the machine's suspend/startup works and there's no screen flickering and the machine actually powers off properly on fedora? Because, I installed ubuntu on it when I bought it but on ubuntu, there are the problems that I mentioned.
2022-06-04 14:03:22	dev4449	thinkpad t560
2022-06-04 14:03:30	jelle	dev4449: no I cannot
2022-06-04 14:04:08	dev4449	jelle: So the only way is by testing. why did you actually recommend fedora?
2022-06-04 14:04:25	jelle	dev4449: because it works out of the box
2022-06-04 14:04:29	noobaroo	dev4449, no prob. How new is a thinkpad t560? 
2022-06-04 14:04:47	dev4449	noobaroo: 2016-2017
2022-06-04 14:05:48	noobaroo	Hmm idk then. Ubuntu doesn't have the support for the newest hardware, but 2016-2017 should be easily covered unless you were using Ubuntu 16.04 or older 
2022-06-04 14:06:29	dev4449	No. I installed 22.04
2022-06-04 14:06:51	noobaroo	Is the video driver Nvidia by any chance?
2022-06-04 14:06:59	dev4449	jelle: were there actually reasons behind your recommendation?
2022-06-04 14:07:21	dev4449	noobaroo: No mine doesn't come with a dedicated gpu. it's only intel integrated.
2022-06-04 14:10:06	noobaroo	I have no idea why you were getting problems then. Intel should be covered out of the box
2022-06-04 14:10:20	bookworm	if you want a hands off distro, what are you doing in here anyway 
2022-06-04 14:10:32	mingdao	31
2022-06-04 14:11:57	dev4449	bookworm: Cause I've heard arch users are generally more experienced linux users
2022-06-04 14:14:33	lmat	dev4449: If you don't want to be bothered working on your system, arch linux isn't for you.
2022-06-04 14:14:42	noobaroo	I think anybody on any of the linux IRC channels is going to be very tech-smart. I consider myself one of the noobier people and I have been using Linux as a normal user for 10 years 
2022-06-04 14:15:29	lmat	I feel like I'm *starting* to be what one might call "experienced". GNU/Linux-only for about 15 years.
2022-06-04 14:15:53	noobaroo	Anybody you find in #linux, #fedora, #opensuse, ##slackware, #gentoo, #ubuntu, will probably have more than enough experience to answer your questions 
2022-06-04 14:15:59	lmat	true
2022-06-04 14:16:35	dev4449	okay
2022-06-04 14:16:35	astralc	noobaroo: you are on IRC, which is also biased 
2022-06-04 14:17:13	astralc	biased for tech people
2022-06-04 14:17:52	noobaroo	true, thats why i said what i said 
2022-06-04 14:18:16	lmat	astralc: "I think anybody on any of the linux IRC channels..." from the previous post.
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2022-06-04 15:22:40	Dreamer3	what's the right way to have global config?  like i want a --verbose or --quiet option and then i'd like all my files to know about this to change their behavior
2022-06-04 15:24:43	drathir_tor	mpan jelle ^^ systemd quality of code... };> ;p
2022-06-04 15:28:15	mpan	jelle: speaking of which, the single tilde version is valid. man is right. It seems `systemd-analyze` has a bug and it’s not only about lists of values.
2022-06-04 15:28:35	mpan	drathir_tor: I am not fond of antisystemdism. Just to let you know.
2022-06-04 15:29:03	drathir_tor	mpan: i know just joking no worry... ;)
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2022-06-04 15:50:10	Dreamer3	Namarrgon: sorry wrong channel, i meant that for #python
2022-06-04 15:52:44	tatsumaru	hey guys, just installed arch on a notebook, but after the installation my bios stopped seeing my drive and won't boot the os. it's a gpt/bios installation. the ssd is fine and I can access it and partition it from the arch installation usb but for some reason the os won't boot. I think I might've installed grub incorrectly or for some reason this notebook doesn't work with gpt/bios. any ideas?
2022-06-04 15:53:34	Namarrgon	how did you install grub?
2022-06-04 15:56:33	tatsumaru	Namarrgon: just followed the installation guide - in arch-chroot I did pacman -S grub, then I installed intel microcode then i did 'grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sdX' and finally I did ' grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg'
2022-06-04 15:56:57	Namarrgon	how did you format the bios-boot partition?
2022-06-04 15:57:40	tatsumaru	using gdisk I created four partitions 1 bios boot 32M, 2 swap 8gb and 3 root the remainder of the drive
2022-06-04 15:57:47	tatsumaru	sorry i meant three partitions
2022-06-04 15:58:46	tatsumaru	I selected EF02 to make it a bios boot partition and it's the first partition on the drive
2022-06-04 16:00:41	noobaroo	Why is https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-shell 47% Javascript? Is that as transparent of a revelation as I think it is, or is there more to the story?
2022-06-04 16:03:22	Namarrgon	tatsumaru: which laptop model is this? what happens when you boot from this disk?
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2022-06-04 16:26:37	tatsumaru	Namarrgon: when I did 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot' I got that mount point doesn't exist, am I supposed to mkdir boot?
2022-06-04 16:28:45	astralc	tatsumaru: according to your description you don't need to mount sda1
2022-06-04 16:33:15	astralc	bios boot is some space for grub relatively big boot image (that loaded other grub parts) 
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2022-06-04 17:31:53	blinux	My network connection is really messed up for some reason. I keep getting "your network connection is interrupted" before every URL I go to and sometimes it doesn't even load. I don't think it is a true network problem, but something wrong with my computer. I just changed the DNS on my router to see if that would fix it and it didn't. Rebooted etc.
2022-06-04 17:33:27	CarloWood	blinux: can you do a ping to your gateway with 0% packetloss?
2022-06-04 17:34:03	noahmg123	My laptop loses its Gnome sessions after coming back from suspend for some reason.
2022-06-04 17:34:32	blinux	CarloWood, I just did a ping and I don't see where it says packet loss anywhere.
2022-06-04 17:35:06	CarloWood	You have to let it run for 100 pings or so and then stop it. Then it says how many packets where lost.
2022-06-04 17:35:32	blinux	oh, ok
2022-06-04 17:36:33	BrainDamage	even better: try mtr archlinux.org
2022-06-04 17:36:52	BrainDamage	it'll traceroute, ping, and print stats of packet loss, etc over multiple pings
2022-06-04 17:37:15	BrainDamage	"snt" is the ping counter
2022-06-04 17:37:33	CarloWood	100 packets transmitted, 100 received, 0% packet loss, time 99137ms
2022-06-04 17:37:33	CarloWood	rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 6.264/7.928/13.109/1.482 ms
2022-06-04 17:37:36	blinux	OK, it says 0% packet loss.
2022-06-04 17:37:43	CarloWood	yay - at least something goes well today
2022-06-04 17:38:17	BrainDamage	blinux: try the mtr command, you might have to install it
2022-06-04 17:38:23	CarloWood	blinux: which application has problems then?
2022-06-04 17:38:36	blinux	My browsers have problems.
2022-06-04 17:38:58	blinux	I thought Firefox wasn't effected and just Brave, Falkon etc. But I think all are.
2022-06-04 17:39:02	CarloWood	Looking up hostnames? Or clearly also with the connection?
2022-06-04 17:39:03	artefact	firefox? try disabling its builtin doh setting
2022-06-04 17:39:41	artefact	try something without hosts, eg https://1.1.1.1
2022-06-04 17:39:41	phrik	Title: 1.1.1.1 — The free app that makes your Internet faster. (at 1.1.1.1)
2022-06-04 17:42:28	blinux	I'm doing an mtr archlinux.org right now and I see around 90% packet loss on a level3.net hop.
2022-06-04 17:43:02	BrainDamage	does it reach the end?
2022-06-04 17:43:04	blinux	and a 2% packet loss on "_gateway"
2022-06-04 17:43:13	artefact	try inet6 if you can?
2022-06-04 17:43:15	BrainDamage	gateway is your router
2022-06-04 17:43:29	CarloWood	2% on _gateway is not normal imho.
2022-06-04 17:43:35	BrainDamage	so you have some dropped packets, but 2% acceptable
2022-06-04 17:43:43	BrainDamage	it is on wifi
2022-06-04 17:43:50	blinux	Yes, I think it is making it to the other end if I see a ping time in ms.
2022-06-04 17:43:54	BrainDamage	not on wired
2022-06-04 17:43:56	blinux	No, this is ethernet directly to the router.
2022-06-04 17:44:04	blinux	This is a UBNT router.
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2022-06-04 18:00:59	BrainDamage	again, losses to intermediate nodes is not meaningful is the end node has 0 loss
2022-06-04 18:01:23	BrainDamage	if there's losses on the route, they should be incremental, as in, from that point on, all losses are increased by that amount
2022-06-04 18:01:41	BrainDamage	if instead it's some nodes unreachable, that's just their ping rejection policies
2022-06-04 18:01:52	BrainDamage	same applies for ping average
2022-06-04 18:02:19	BrainDamage	in your trace, it was evident that one of your isp machines is giving you 120+ms ping, because all nodes after have that delay added
2022-06-04 18:02:20	drathir_tor	blinux: yea in most cases if last hop have no loss it should be just fine if any single high % loss happens in between...
2022-06-04 18:03:16	BrainDamage	I think the network is reasonably sane, and you should debug higher level things 
2022-06-04 18:03:27	BrainDamage	eg if tcp or http, or tls are working properly
2022-06-04 18:04:24	drathir_tor	BrainDamage: iys fine its connection pass us-eu which seems in norm too...
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2022-06-04 18:04:50	blinux	I found this video saying the problem is IPv6 and three solutions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blFicCxUZ8k
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2022-06-04 18:04:55	BrainDamage	so, again, try opening a http-only website in your brower, or even curl in a consol
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2022-06-04 18:05:11	drathir_tor	BrainDamage: best i personally was able ever get was ~90ms from us-eu...
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2022-06-04 18:05:29	BrainDamage	drathir_tor: that was eu-eu
2022-06-04 18:05:31	blinux	I just installed plasma and maybe that network tool has IPv6 enabled through automatic, so I set it to disabled and I'll see if I still get the problem.
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2022-06-07 15:20:00	Foxboron	post-factum: already been fixed
2022-06-07 15:20:18	Foxboron	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commit/e1f6267003e9c900dfc10e34a0cb1c52f85a5d44
2022-06-07 15:22:06	wyre	jelle, what's currently your preferred IDE? 
2022-06-07 15:22:43	jelle	I would use code if I wasn't using neovim
2022-06-07 15:23:29	BrainDamage	!grab jelle
2022-06-07 15:23:29	phrik	BrainDamage: Tada!
2022-06-07 15:41:18	post-factum	Foxboron: yes, yes, in testing, already tested that
2022-06-07 15:44:24	Foxboron	post-factum: :)
2022-06-07 15:45:32	SysGhost	I remember using eclipse back in school. We wrote a lot of java programs in it. Mostly GUI/Swing. Back then Eclipse was all news, fresh and the latest thing everyone should use.
2022-06-07 15:46:14	Gagis	the university I studied at still uses it for many courses IIRC
2022-06-07 15:46:23	Gagis	usually involves horrifying j§ava version dependency hells
2022-06-07 15:53:55	SysGhost	I must say though, that it is much easier to set up and get projects going under Microsoft Code (the open source vscode) than it is for many other IDE's. 
2022-06-07 15:56:28	Gagis	yeah I've been using vscode at work for ages and it sure is sweet, especially since I work with the kind of projects and tools its well suited for
2022-06-07 15:56:43	dTal	I shudder at "set up projects" because it implies you're using a language with horrendous levels of boilerplate and paperwork
2022-06-07 15:57:44	dTal	"Setting up a project" should be 1) make a folder, 2) make a file in that folder, 3) optionally init git in that folder
2022-06-07 15:58:56	dTal	all these bureaucracy nightmare languages are pushed by companies who want to coerce you into using their special IDEs
2022-06-07 15:59:36	SysGhost	It should be. Bu then someone else in the team picks it up and set things up in their preferred env. Before you know it there's a ton of dot-files for other to pick up and get going and before you know it everyone sits under code happy as ever. 
2022-06-07 16:00:26	Gagis	stuff such as devcontainers or various tools for python environments are sweet to keep environments consistent between local devices and developers
2022-06-07 16:00:46	SysGhost	one example is MCU development where crosscompiler settings can be a nightmare if everyone isn't on the same page.
2022-06-07 16:01:26	SysGhost	ever had the "Compiles fine for me. You're doing something wrong."?
2022-06-07 16:01:28	SysGhost	;)
2022-06-07 16:02:21	SysGhost	code does that in a neat way. sharing environments and configurations without touching your defaults.
2022-06-07 16:20:04	noobaroo	Trying to install Arch freshly on a new machine, have slow service, and very weirded out that qt5-webengine is a required dependency on plasma-desktop?
2022-06-07 16:20:56	noobaroo	That has to be a mistake. I'm thinking about making an account so I can file a bug report, as suggested by the official KDE Plasma group 
2022-06-07 16:21:22	co1umbarius	hey someone else having the issue that podman exec is broken?
2022-06-07 16:21:40	noobaroo	I was just hoping for an explanation that makes sense first, so avoid unnecessary steps 
2022-06-07 16:23:03	jelle	noobaroo: why would it be unrequired?
2022-06-07 16:23:12	jelle	noobaroo: pacman -Qi qt5-webengine and look at Required By
2022-06-07 16:24:00	BrainDamage	noobaroo: it's not a direct dep
2022-06-07 16:24:12	BrainDamage	pactree -r qt5-webengine
2022-06-07 16:25:24	noobaroo	I'm unable to complete that command from the machine I'm speaking on, because I don't have the package installed 
2022-06-07 16:25:56	jelle	noobaroo: that other command you can execute
2022-06-07 16:26:25	noobaroo	yeah, I'm looking for the package for it
2022-06-07 16:26:28	noobaroo	1sec
2022-06-07 16:26:43	jelle	pacman -Qi qt5-webengine  requires no new package :p
2022-06-07 16:27:12	noobaroo	I don't have it installed on this machine 
2022-06-07 16:27:22	Vorpal	Hi! How do I edit a systemd unit to not block multi-user.target? I want it (docker.service) to start at boot, but it is slow. And I don't need it to be running before the graphical login screen shows up. I tried adding "After=multi-user.target" to the override config for docker, and this works, but then docker has to wait for multi-user.target. What I *want* is for it to be independent, and
2022-06-07 16:27:22	Vorpal	neither should block the other.
2022-06-07 16:27:23	noobaroo	Neither commands work
2022-06-07 16:27:30	jelle	noobaroo: if you can't run it on the machine you are complaining about the nit's no use
2022-06-07 16:28:05	noobaroo	Why would qt5-webengine be required on one Plasma Arch PC but not the one right next to it?
2022-06-07 16:28:13	noobaroo	That makes no sense
2022-06-07 16:28:29	wommel1	noobaroo: pacman -Sii qt5-webengine 
2022-06-07 16:28:41	jelle	noobaroo: saying it makes no sense does not help figure out why :)
2022-06-07 16:28:56	noobaroo	I'm doing a clean install on the other, so it should have way less software (and way less deps) Not more
2022-06-07 16:29:08	⚡ 	jelle facepalms
2022-06-07 16:29:19	noobaroo	wommel1 thanks for that
2022-06-07 16:32:39	e2k	is it possible to hilight certain packages with colors in the list of upgradable packages in pacman? for example any linux-* package?
2022-06-07 16:32:56	e2k	I find myself always scanning for a kernel upgrade :>
2022-06-07 16:33:32	e2k	would be easier if it'd be in red or something
2022-06-07 16:33:33	Vorpal	I think there are some tools to preview what would be updated without updating the local package list. Maybe one of those can do it?
2022-06-07 16:33:57	noobaroo	I doubt they will integrate that feature into pacman natively, but you can always make an alias to pacman and add the feature yourself 
2022-06-07 16:34:47	noobaroo	Or a function rather. Alias wouldn't do it 
2022-06-07 16:34:59	e2k	yeah..
2022-06-07 16:35:00	Vorpal	noobaroo: I was just about to correct you, but you beat me to it
2022-06-07 16:35:28	noobaroo	Or you could make a wrapper script in /usr/local/bin named pacman, and just make sure its at the front of your PATH 
2022-06-07 16:35:41	Vorpal	I think it was either pacman-contrib or pacutils that had some tool that could preview what -Syu would do without commiting to the -y part
2022-06-07 16:37:04	jelle	or community/kernel-modules-hook 0.1.7-2
2022-06-07 16:38:17	noobaroo	I just wanna say before I leave, optional deps should really stay optional. It sucks for people that have small kbps of connection speed. Even with good internet, it's pointless and messy
2022-06-07 16:38:33	Foxboron	Vorpal: checkupdates in pacman-contrib, yes
2022-06-07 16:38:38	jelle	noobaroo: please stop this behaviour right now
2022-06-07 16:38:49	jelle	noobaroo: if not, you can can enjoy your ban
2022-06-07 16:39:47	Vorpal	no one has any idea about my systemd question? :(
2022-06-07 16:39:58	Vorpal	As I understand it, systemd adds a implicit Before dependency due to the WantedBy=multi-user.target in the [Install] section. Adding the After like I did above overrides that. But I don't see a way to just remove both after/before.
2022-06-07 16:40:54	Vorpal	I don't see a good way to auto start services at boot but not have them tied to multi-user.target. I want "just go whenever after your dependencies, but don't block any targets"
2022-06-07 16:41:17	jelle	noobaroo: and with behaviour I mean your baseless claims
2022-06-07 16:50:17	MacGyver	jelle: But if it's baseless he would have *less* software. Do you know how many packages are in base?!
2022-06-07 16:50:27	⚡ 	jelle sighs
2022-06-07 17:01:19	cedb	can someone explain why i needed to edit both /etc/crypttab and /etc/crypttab.initramfs to register my yubikey for cryptluks?
2022-06-07 17:03:22	MacGyver	Because the sd-encrypt-hook needs a crypttab in the initramfs to be able to unlock the root device if the root device needs crypttab-support and not just a password input.
2022-06-07 17:03:51	MacGyver	And it *doesn't* just copy over /etc/crypttab for that because that doesn't necessarily *need* to be in the initramfs.
2022-06-07 17:04:24	MacGyver	You may be able to specify everything you need on the kernel commandline instead.
2022-06-07 17:11:30	wrycode	any mbsync/gmail users here who recently have started getting "invalid credentials" errors? double checked the password 
2022-06-07 17:12:13	MacGyver	wrycode: No, but knowing gmail you may be using an app password and knowing gmail that may have been revoked and need regeneration?
2022-06-07 17:12:49	wrycode	I can't use app passwords because it's an organization account. I've also checked that IMAP is enabled in gmail settings
2022-06-07 17:14:06	wrycode	and I've enabled "less secure app access"
2022-06-07 17:15:11	wrycode	I wonder if there are quoting issues with my password
2022-06-07 17:15:51	BrainDamage	less secure access has been revoked
2022-06-07 17:16:02	BrainDamage	as in, the feature has been deprecated
2022-06-07 17:16:52	wrycode	it's enabled in my settings
2022-06-07 17:17:06	wrycode	what, so I can't use IMAP at all anymore? f google
2022-06-07 17:17:39	BrainDamage	https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en
2022-06-07 17:17:40	phrik	Title: Less secure apps & your Google Account - Google Account Help (at support.google.com)
2022-06-07 17:18:53	BrainDamage	the more annoying thing is that in order to enable app passwords you need to turn on 2fa auth
2022-06-07 17:18:56	wrycode	yeah well it's a google workspace thing for my school
2022-06-07 17:19:19	wrycode	I can't turn on 2FA because they use Microsoft for that
2022-06-07 17:19:23	wrycode	which is soooo dumb
2022-06-07 17:20:07	BrainDamage	uhhh, what?
2022-06-07 17:20:19	BrainDamage	I just use totp
2022-06-07 17:20:58	wrycode	I have to login to microsoft to access my google account
2022-06-07 17:21:27	BrainDamage	ah, single sign on
2022-06-07 17:21:34	wrycode	you can use totp for IMAP?
2022-06-07 17:21:55	BrainDamage	yes, or app passwords
2022-06-07 17:23:06	BrainDamage	https://github.com/google/gmail-oauth2-tools/blob/master/python/oauth2.py
2022-06-07 17:26:17	susi	Vorpal: what's Type= in it?
2022-06-07 17:27:12	susi	Vorpal: Type=simple .. "the service manager will consider the unit started immediately after the main service process has been forked off." - could this help?
2022-06-07 17:28:32	wrycode	oh ok I was able to enable totp, not wild about giving them my phone # but whatever
2022-06-07 17:30:26	Vorpal	susi: I found a potential solution asking in #systemd, plus it clarified some misconceptions I had. 
2022-06-07 17:30:48	Vorpal	susi: what I thought was the issue might have been a red herring. Anyway type is notify for docker
2022-06-07 17:31:21	Vorpal	susi: apparently you can override the install section to refer to default.target instead
2022-06-07 17:33:25	wrycode	omfg
2022-06-07 17:33:43	wrycode	I set up app passwords and now: IMAP access is disabled for this mail client for your domain. Please contact your domain administrator for questions about this feature. (Failure)
2022-06-07 17:33:47	wrycode	that sucks
2022-06-07 17:34:40	heatwave	Hello!
2022-06-07 17:35:04	heatwave	I have a question regarding running arch on a VPS and accessing my twm
2022-06-07 17:36:11	heatwave	I have setup dwm, xserver and xrdp/xorgxrdp on my VPS, and also add dwm to ~/.xsession, but I still cannot launch dwm after connecting with RDP
2022-06-07 17:37:33	heatwave	When I tried running xfce, I was able to get into the gui. I realise I cant get access to dwm because im missing a desktop/session manager but isnt there anyway to run dwm directly?
2022-06-07 17:38:07	heatwave	Oh I also tried adding `exec dwm` in ~/.xinitrc as I think xrdp reads from it anyway. Still didnt work
2022-06-07 17:38:16	heatwave	Any help? 🙏
2022-06-07 17:42:37	Vorpal	so this is an extremely minor issue. I use KDE. Most programs show their icon in the title bar of the window. Some just show a generic "X11" icon though. Such as the flatpak version of spotify. Any idea what thats about and how to fix it?
2022-06-07 17:44:25	Vorpal	I don't think it is related to flatpaks though, since some show proper icons. And I'm pretty sure I saw a non-flatpak thing with the wrong icon (but I can't remember what it was off the top of my head)
2022-06-07 17:44:30	mefistofeles	Vorpal: sounds like a question for #kde or #plasma
2022-06-07 17:44:44	mefistofeles	but it might also just be related with how the application was packaged
2022-06-07 17:44:49	Vorpal	mefistofeles: hm you are probably right. They have two different channels?
2022-06-07 17:48:37	mefistofeles	Vorpal: apparently they do, I don't really know how that works
2022-06-07 17:49:18	susi	I guess it's related to .desktop files and Icon= lines in those
2022-06-07 17:50:42	Vorpal	mefistofeles: apparently #plasma is for developers
2022-06-07 17:51:18	Vorpal	also I never noticed it on Cinnamon, but I realise Cinnamon doesn't show icons in the menu bar
2022-06-07 17:51:41	Vorpal	susi: strange that it does show the proper icon in the task bar though
2022-06-07 17:56:11	Vorpal	hm, any idea how to ensure that /dev/input/js0 and /dev/input/js1 gets assigned in the same order every time? I know I could use udev to make symlinks with fixed names for specific devices. Wonh
2022-06-07 17:56:34	Vorpal	Won't* help in games though since they just refer to js0 js1 etc
2022-06-07 17:56:57	mefistofeles	Vorpal: that might be the issue itself, they are probably only packaging with cinammon (or similar environments) in mind, those that do not show icons on the taskbar/panel
2022-06-07 17:56:57	Vorpal	and this is not a player1/player2 thing, but joystick and rudder pedals
2022-06-07 17:57:21	Vorpal	mefistofeles: yeah does gnome show that icon?
2022-06-07 17:57:27	mefistofeles	no idea, I don't use gnome
2022-06-07 17:57:31	Vorpal	same
2022-06-07 17:58:38	Warepire	Vorpal: If both js devices are on the same device, there might be something you can do with a kernel driver, otherwise, just ensure to always connect your devices in a specific order. Kernel enumerates them in "discover order" which is racy (and can't really be made not racy, that's why we have udev)
2022-06-07 17:59:15	Vorpal	Warepire: hm they are plugged in all the time at boot normally. And not in the front where the USB cables are easy to reach
2022-06-07 17:59:24	Vorpal	I would assume both use usbhid or similar
2022-06-07 18:00:04	Vorpal	maybe I can force them to be renamed, then make js0/js1 actually be symlinks to the real things? Don't know if udev supports that
2022-06-07 18:00:32	Vorpal	assuming that is even how games determine which is the first and second device
2022-06-07 18:00:41	Warepire	If they are different devices, they are probed simultaneously, and whatever respose the kernel processes first gets js0. Which depends on all the devices attached to your machine (internal and external)
2022-06-07 18:00:53	Vorpal	indeed I see the problem
2022-06-07 18:01:00	Vorpal	now I'm trying to come up with a solution
2022-06-07 18:01:40	Vorpal	the obvious hacky solution (don't do this!!!) is to have a late boot script that renames and swaps the device node files if they are in the wrong order. That will obviously break if either of them is unplugged and replugged though
2022-06-07 18:03:15	Warepire	Unfortunately I have no good advice how to fix it.
2022-06-07 18:03:54	Vorpal	yeah, it sucks. For most other things you can usually just point to an arbitrary device node, and use a udev rule to add a symlink
2022-06-07 18:04:08	Vorpal	this is great for USB devices that show up as generic serial things
2022-06-07 18:04:29	Warepire	Yeah, that has been the workable solution everytime I've had the issue, which doesn't solve this issue. =/
2022-06-07 18:04:55	artefact	if you never swap plugs, you can use /dev/bus/usb/XXX/YYY
2022-06-07 18:05:25	Vorpal	artefact: again, doesn't help with games that just have a drop down for binding things to joystick 1 and joystick 2
2022-06-07 18:05:31	artefact	no
2022-06-07 18:06:13	Vorpal	I bet proper flight sims won't have a problem with this, but space sims seems to have a bit less robust support for full on joystick + rudder pedals setups
2022-06-07 18:07:10	Warepire	Hm, crazy idea, preload a shim-so that detects the opens of these devices and internally flips them if needed.
2022-06-07 18:07:21	Vorpal	hah. I love it
2022-06-07 18:07:59	Vorpal	not sure if it will work for wine/proton, but anything native? Sure
2022-06-07 18:08:07	artefact	or make a usbhid multiplexer 👀
2022-06-07 18:08:28	Vorpal	artefact: what, like a program reading both devices and simulating a combined device with data from both?
2022-06-07 18:08:32	artefact	yeah
2022-06-07 18:08:41	Vorpal	I assume I would need a kernel module to provide a fake joystick?
2022-06-07 18:08:49	artefact	not sure. maybe uinput can do it
2022-06-07 18:08:53	Vorpal	hm
2022-06-07 18:09:04	Vorpal	the LD_PRELOAD hack sounds easier
2022-06-07 18:09:42	Warepire	But the muxer would be a legit way to fix it, that's actually useful for the general public.
2022-06-07 18:10:05	Vorpal	Warepire: you could make the ld.so usable. Just make it load a config file
2022-06-07 18:10:30	Warepire	(I know, but it's still not the legit way to fixing it)
2022-06-07 18:11:09	Vorpal	also, this joystick is complicated enough as it is. There used to (back when it was new) be a hardcoded limit on the max number of buttons for a joystick device in the kernel. 32 I think. This has 37
2022-06-07 18:11:20	Vorpal	also 11 axes with all the wheels and knobs and such
2022-06-07 18:11:33	thingfish	wow, Vorpal -- which joystick is this?
2022-06-07 18:11:39	Vorpal	the rudder pedals are compartively simple: 3 axes
2022-06-07 18:11:45	thingfish	oh you have rudders too
2022-06-07 18:11:48	Vorpal	thingfish: Saitek X52 Pro.
2022-06-07 18:11:48	thingfish	nice
2022-06-07 18:12:05	Vorpal	thingfish: apparently Logitech bought them, but it is still produced
2022-06-07 18:12:12	thingfish	ah I have the Logitech X52 which I think is quite similar.
2022-06-07 18:12:16	thingfish	tes
2022-06-07 18:12:18	thingfish	yes
2022-06-07 18:12:36	thingfish	I haven't experimented with it yet in Linux.
2022-06-07 18:12:38	Vorpal	I think the display at the base of the throttle is the main difference 
2022-06-07 18:12:43	thingfish	ah
2022-06-07 18:13:21	Vorpal	thingfish: I took mine out of storage recently. Unfortunately all the rubber had gotten goey. I think mine is from before 2007 at least.
2022-06-07 18:13:28	thingfish	whoa!
2022-06-07 18:13:31	Vorpal	I used sooo much solvants to clean that
2022-06-07 18:13:45	thingfish	I just bought mine a few weeks ago.
2022-06-07 18:13:47	Vorpal	oh
2022-06-07 18:14:04	Vorpal	the rubber feet were fine
2022-06-07 18:14:11	Vorpal	but not the rubberised grip
2022-06-07 18:14:14	thingfish	bummer
2022-06-07 18:14:31	Vorpal	don't worry, you have at least a decade before that happens :P
2022-06-07 18:14:35	thingfish	so which sims do you use?
2022-06-07 18:14:39	Vorpal	and they might have changed the plastic since then
2022-06-07 18:16:01	Vorpal	thingfish: back in the day I used to use flightgear. I got this out recently (this weekend) because I was playing a steam game (Polaris, basically a cooperative star trek ship simulator) with some friends and saw that it had support for my setup.
2022-06-07 18:16:13	Vorpal	so I'm just now starting to look into things to use it with again
2022-06-07 18:16:22	thingfish	ah, I see.  I was hoping you were going to say MSFS.
2022-06-07 18:16:26	Vorpal	feel more like space games at the moment though
2022-06-07 18:16:32	thingfish	sure
2022-06-07 18:17:04	Vorpal	I got Elite Dangerous for free on epic some time ago, but I can't get log in to work on linux. Seems it crashes when I try
2022-06-07 18:17:10	thingfish	great
2022-06-07 18:17:33	thingfish	do you use Proton-GE too?
2022-06-07 18:17:50	thingfish	or just the Proton supplied by Steam
2022-06-07 18:17:55	Vorpal	I used lutris. I don't know how it was set up. Default settings? I haven't had time to look into it
2022-06-07 18:18:00	Vorpal	not steam since it was from epic
2022-06-07 18:18:07	thingfish	ah yes
2022-06-07 18:19:11	Vorpal	I looked at vegastrike (open source) and I remember messing with it many many years ago
2022-06-07 18:20:21	Vorpal	unfortunately it is incredibly unpolished. It popped up a full screen full of key binding info when I started it, *at the same time* as a tutorial narrator was speaking, barely audible over the music. And I can't edit the key/joystick bindings except via an XML file
2022-06-07 18:20:28	Vorpal	so I put that aside for now
2022-06-07 18:22:40	Vorpal	thingfish: so I haven't really found a single player game I want to dig into using those peripherals. If you have any recommendation, go ahead
2022-06-07 18:24:02	thingfish	Vorpal: I'm afraid I wouldn't have enough exposure to the various games out there to have recommendations.  My only experience is with flightgear (many years ago) and FSX, MSFS.
2022-06-07 18:24:12	thingfish	for flight sims, that is.
2022-06-07 18:25:11	thingfish	and those were in Windows.  Now supposedly MSFS has a silver rating on ProtonDB...but that's not that great.
2022-06-07 18:25:45	Vorpal	flightgear is open source and runs on linux
2022-06-07 18:25:47	thingfish	and at 140GB to download it, I'm not in a hurry to experiment.
2022-06-07 18:25:47	Vorpal	think it is in AUR
2022-06-07 18:25:53	thingfish	yeah
2022-06-07 18:26:38	Vorpal	thingfish: what about xplane? Is that still a thing that people care about?
2022-06-07 18:26:44	thingfish	sure
2022-06-07 18:26:54	thingfish	I have no experience with it however.
2022-06-07 18:27:39	thingfish	and of course it's one thing for the game/sim to run well, and for your joystick to get recognized properly.
2022-06-07 18:28:26	Namarrgon	if it's well designed it shouldn't rely on the kernel names
2022-06-07 18:29:03	Vorpal	Namarrgon: unfortunately most games are not well designed
2022-06-07 19:04:34	mingdao	There is something to do with memory leaks that are good for gaming.
2022-06-07 19:04:53	mingdao	We moved back from China in 2011, and they were still using Windows XP for just that reason.
2022-06-07 19:05:23	mingdao	Since a properly configured Linux kernel and system won't have memory leaks, that might be one reason gaming isn't as good for Linux users.
2022-06-07 19:07:20	Vorpal	mingdao: ... ?
2022-06-07 19:08:09	MacGyver	mingdao: None of that made any sense.
2022-06-07 19:09:53	susi	mingdao: what good does leaked memory do to gaming or the games?
2022-06-07 19:12:03	mingdao	susi: If you ask a champion gamer from China (s)he can explain it.
2022-06-07 19:12:09	mingdao	I don't play games.
2022-06-07 19:16:48	novns	mingdao, they use memory leeches in China, not memory leaks
2022-06-07 19:18:43	mingdao	just keep reading the news novns ; like no one else leeches your data ; Google being the greatest culprit
2022-06-07 19:50:44	cedb	so my jobs cisco messes with /etc/resolv.conf and doesn't clean up after, i can chattr -i it since it needs that change but is there a way to make that more intelligent that just resymlinking my stub after (i use systemd-resolvconf)
2022-06-07 19:51:22	cedb	s/cisco/cisco vpn aka anyconnect
2022-06-07 19:51:53	Vorpal	cedb: I would suggest using openconnect rather than anyconnect if possible
2022-06-07 19:51:59	Vorpal	that works for my work place
2022-06-07 19:52:12	Vorpal	it has networkmanager integration if you prefer that way
2022-06-07 19:52:21	Vorpal	using the networkmanager-openconnect package
2022-06-07 19:52:47	artefact	you can bwrap it to overlay a resolv.conf
2022-06-07 19:52:51	cedb	hmm nice okay thanks ill look the package up, the anyconnect binary is such trash, just dumps a bunch of nonsense in /opt with shell scripts for installation
2022-06-07 19:52:56	cedb	artefact: bwrap ?
2022-06-07 19:53:19	causasui	what are these numbers in output from `iptables-save`? they're too big to be a port range... or are they? ":INPUT ACCEPT [23963:8386517]"
2022-06-07 19:54:13	MacGyver	causasui: packet and byte counters per chain.
2022-06-07 19:55:08	Vorpal	cedb: a sandbox thing iirc. Think that is what flatpak uses maybe
2022-06-07 19:55:13	Vorpal	or based on what flatpak uses
2022-06-07 20:06:58	gannymac	I'm using wayland (and plasma), and I'd like to disable the middle click button on my touchpad. This solution to use `xinput set-button-map` looks promising. I just wanted to make sure that is ok to use with wayland
2022-06-07 20:07:17	thurstylark	I mean, it's not going to hurt anything...
2022-06-07 20:07:23	thurstylark	but it's not going to do anything either
2022-06-07 20:07:30	gannymac	I see
2022-06-07 20:07:47	gannymac	ok. I was asking because I got this warning 
2022-06-07 20:08:03	gannymac	WARNING: running xinput against an Xwayland server. See the xinput man page for details.
2022-06-07 20:08:09	gannymac	when running `xinput list`
2022-06-07 20:08:32	gannymac	So, do you know how I can/should remap it?
2022-06-07 20:09:42	thurstylark	in wayland, that's all handled by the compositor (DE/WM in X-land). Should be a setting in plasma
2022-06-07 20:13:29	gannymac	Thanks. I hadn't been seeing the setting in plasma. But now I think it may just have been phrased oddly. "Right-click: Press botton-right corner; or Press anywhere with two fingers"
2022-06-07 20:13:33	Vorpal	that is a reason I dislike wayland. So many things not yet implemented. And tons of different implementations, so unlikely that any one support all features I care about and also happens to be a DE I like using
2022-06-07 20:13:38	gannymac	The latter seems to remove the middle click
2022-06-07 20:13:50	gannymac	Confusing setting given that I'm not concerned with right click, but with middle click
2022-06-07 20:14:06	Vorpal	gannymac: maybe try #kde you may have better luck there
2022-06-07 20:14:18	thurstylark	they got their answer, though
2022-06-07 20:14:34	gannymac	Vorpal: thx, will do if I still hit issues. Thanks all
2022-06-07 20:14:39	Vorpal	thurstylark: well, they may know if plasma has the feature or not
2022-06-07 20:14:58	thurstylark	but....
2022-06-07 20:15:09	thurstylark	nvm
2022-06-07 20:15:10	thurstylark	!bail
2022-06-07 20:15:11	phrik	Looks like thurstylark is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-06-07 20:18:04	MacGyver	Vorpal: Did I miss the memo of Xorg finally implementing configurable behaviour for the middle mouse button?
2022-06-07 20:18:16	MacGyver	Vorpal: Clearly it has that, considering it's so superior to Wayland?
2022-06-07 20:18:34	MacGyver	Vorpal: After only 40 years of the middle mouse button existing, even!
2022-06-07 20:18:45	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-07 20:20:04	ooonea_eth	https://termbin.com/st0p
2022-06-07 20:20:38	ooonea_eth	Why unknown origin?
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2022-06-07 20:21:50	gannymac	The setting I found for disabling middle click unfortunately also disables the entire "bottom area" of the touchpad, which ends up making it much tricker to mouse with your finger and click with your thumb
2022-06-07 20:22:01	gannymac	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=441668 has an issue for this
2022-06-07 20:22:14	gannymac	(better suited for a #kde discussion, I know)
2022-06-07 20:22:31	Vorpal	MacGyver: gannymac said that apparently they could use xinput set-button-map for it?
2022-06-07 20:22:40	Vorpal	at least to disable it
2022-06-07 20:22:45	MacGyver	Vorpal: No. For X, you only get to *entirely* disable the middle mouse button.
2022-06-07 20:22:50	Vorpal	configure it to do something else? probably not
2022-06-07 20:22:51	MacGyver	You lose it as an input.
2022-06-07 20:22:54	Vorpal	right
2022-06-07 20:22:58	MacGyver	Which is moronic.
2022-06-07 20:23:04	Vorpal	agreed, nothing is perfect
2022-06-07 20:23:10	MacGyver	It's not "not perfect"
2022-06-07 20:23:13	MacGyver	It's insane.
2022-06-07 20:23:28	MacGyver	And has been for forever because *nobody* wants to code it because X is a mess.
2022-06-07 20:23:49	Vorpal	MacGyver: I do find it silly that there are so many different wayland implementations though instead of trying to make one shared one that is really good. But I'd rather not start a flamewar (and I can feel one brewing), so I'm going to end this discussion here
2022-06-07 20:23:55	MacGyver	You may have your reasons for disliking Wayland but at least it's a way forward.
2022-06-07 20:24:30	Vorpal	MacGyver: one thing that doesn't work for me is mapping my laptop touch screen to that physical screen (which is needed since I use an external display in a multi head setup. Can't do that under wayland. Works fine with xinput.
2022-06-07 20:25:27	Vorpal	also reverse PRIME for nvidia is broken (yes that is the fault of nvidia, but who's fault it is doesn't matter for the UX)
2022-06-07 20:26:00	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-07 20:27:02	Namarrgon	ooonea_eth: the package hasn't filled that data in
2022-06-07 20:27:06	Namarrgon	*packager
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2022-06-08 13:39:26	yuta	what
2022-06-08 13:46:07	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Overlay_filesystem play around with it in a safe environment before you entrust your data to it
2022-06-08 13:46:09	phrik	Title: Overlay filesystem - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-08 13:47:33	demaio	Foxboron: ok then I can try again when the new shim is released as a signed binary
2022-06-08 13:48:05	Foxboron	demaio: it should already be available after the embargo. Somewhere!
2022-06-08 13:48:38	Foxboron	Hrm, fedora is slow it seems
2022-06-08 13:50:15	enoq	is there a way to hear my connect mic?
2022-06-08 13:50:23	enoq	using gnome + pipewire
2022-06-08 13:50:26	jelle	enoq: connect mic?
2022-06-08 13:50:36	enoq	connected*
2022-06-08 13:51:38	yuta	Namarrgon: Is overlayfs not stable?
2022-06-08 13:51:55	jelle	yuta: it is, but you might not be
2022-06-08 13:52:33	mingdao	enoq: Did you go to Settings -> Sound -> Input
2022-06-08 13:52:34	yuta	jelle: lol okay .Thanks.
2022-06-08 13:52:44	Namarrgon	yuta: it is but if you don't know how to use it or what it does and then combine it with tmpfs it's easy to lose a lot of data very fast
2022-06-08 13:53:03	enoq	mingdao: yes, I set it up correctly and I can record myself in audacity
2022-06-08 13:53:08	jelle	yuta: thinking you can cache your fs better then the kernel is a bit silly
2022-06-08 13:53:22	enoq	I'm just wondering if I can hear myself through my speakers rather than recording myself and then playing it back
2022-06-08 13:53:49	jelle	you should be able too with some routing
2022-06-08 13:54:56	jelle	enoq: look for https://docs.pipewire.org/page_module_loopback.html or similiar
2022-06-08 13:54:57	phrik	Title: PipeWire: PipeWire Module: Loopback (at docs.pipewire.org)
2022-06-08 13:55:25	BrainDamage	be careful of feedback
2022-06-08 13:55:32	jelle	pw-loopback maybe?
2022-06-08 13:55:33	yuta	Namarrgon: jelle Thanks. let me think it. 
2022-06-08 13:56:19	enoq	thanks
2022-06-08 13:56:30	enoq	config files *despair*
2022-06-08 13:56:44	jelle	enoq: not sure if that's required
2022-06-08 13:56:58	enoq	so if I understand this correctly, this will create a new output device that is connected to the input
2022-06-08 13:57:04	enoq	and I'll be able to select this as out?
2022-06-08 13:59:41	Namarrgon	yuta: get an ssd instead; it's simpler and much more reliable than all these hacky sync-daemons
2022-06-08 13:59:48	mingdao	enoq: Issue `arecord -vvv -f dat /dev/null` and tap the mic.
2022-06-08 14:00:06	enoq	thanks
2022-06-08 14:02:28	enoq	so probably stupid question: what's the replacement for alsamixer
2022-06-08 14:02:39	hiya	Can someone here share the correct pronunciation of Arch Linux in audio? 
2022-06-08 14:03:17	hiya	I keep on calling it aark like shark
2022-06-08 14:03:19	mingdao	hiya: https://translate.google.com/?hl=en&tab=TT&sl=en&tl=zh-CN&text=Arch%20Linux&op=translate
2022-06-08 14:04:07	mingdao	hiya: I like the Chinese pronunciation there.
2022-06-08 14:05:31	mingdao	enoq: Let me know if that works.  This PC had no mic, but "Arch Linux test microphone working" was the first hit on https://www.startpage.com/sp/search and sounds reasonable.
2022-06-08 14:05:39	mingdao	s/had/has
2022-06-08 14:07:43	mingdao	hiya: The logo rather gives away arch, not ark.  https://archlinux.org/art/  
2022-06-08 14:07:45	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Artwork (at archlinux.org)
2022-06-08 14:07:53	hiya	mingdao: listen to what how I say: https://tmpfiles.org/dl/310995/archlinux
2022-06-08 14:08:33	mingdao	hiya: Thanks for sharing that.
2022-06-08 14:08:42	hiya	Welcome
2022-06-08 14:10:09	yuta	jelle: Don't you feel melit of using profile-sync-daemon?
2022-06-08 14:10:16	enoq	mingdao: ok, arecord is not installed
2022-06-08 14:10:21	jelle	yuta: melit?
2022-06-08 14:10:25	enoq	test
2022-06-08 14:10:34	mingdao	Having known you 'on the internet' for years, it's good to hear your voice.  Do you still use G at all?
2022-06-08 14:10:44	enoq	so, when running pipewire, should I install the whole alsa stack as well?
2022-06-08 14:10:48	mingdao	enoq: pacman -Sy arecord
2022-06-08 14:10:49	yuta	merit
2022-06-08 14:10:59	yuta	benefit jelle 
2022-06-08 14:11:10	jelle	yuta: why would I feel benefit of it
2022-06-08 14:11:17	mingdao	enoq: You might want to get another solution from someone else.
2022-06-08 14:11:26	yuta	ok jelle 
2022-06-08 14:11:40	jelle	yuta: everything is on my ssd, if I access something the kernel caches it in ram
2022-06-08 14:13:57	yuta	then do you prefer to use zram than tmpfs? jelle 
2022-06-08 14:14:12	jelle	o.O
2022-06-08 14:14:32	yuta	no swap or zram ? jelle 
2022-06-08 14:14:40	yuta	no swap or zram swap? jelle 
2022-06-08 14:14:44	enoq	mingdao: sry, irc latency is super weird right now
2022-06-08 14:14:49	jelle	Ihave swap yes as
2022-06-08 14:14:51	jelle	!swap
2022-06-08 14:14:51	phrik	jelle: Error: I can't change the topic, I'm not (half)opped and #archlinux is +t.
2022-06-08 14:14:56	jelle	!whyswap
2022-06-08 14:14:56	phrik	https://chrisdown.name/2018/01/02/in-defence-of-swap.html
2022-06-08 14:15:13	enoq	basically I'm watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zFA5piXf8Q who explains how to use this stuff with alsa in 2022
2022-06-08 14:15:37	yuta	reading , hold on jelle 
2022-06-08 14:15:54	enoq	I'll ask in #pipewire, thanks
2022-06-08 14:16:00	jelle	enoq: do you have a scarlett?
2022-06-08 14:16:06	enoq	yes, a solo 
2022-06-08 14:16:17	jelle	enoq: it has no direct monitoring?
2022-06-08 14:16:41	enoq	direct monitoring requires separate speakers, right?
2022-06-08 14:17:08	jelle	enoq: depends for me I set my DAC as sound output and plug in my headphone to the DAC
2022-06-08 14:17:24	jelle	either way, pipewire should be able to do the same
2022-06-08 14:17:43	yuta	jelle: I got it :) I enable zram swap.
2022-06-08 14:20:52	jelle	yuta: good, having swap is good :)
2022-06-08 14:21:00	mingdao	jelle: Do you suspend to RAM?
2022-06-08 14:21:11	jelle	mingdao: yes
2022-06-08 14:22:05	mingdao	jelle: I'm assuming this is a good guide?  With Fluxbox on my Dell XPS I want to configure it to suspend just by closing the lid.  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate
2022-06-08 14:22:07	phrik	Title: Power management/Suspend and hibernate - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-08 14:22:15	yuta	jelle: :)
2022-06-08 14:22:20	mingdao	s/suspend/suspend to RAM
2022-06-08 14:22:56	jelle	mingdao: isn't that the default?
2022-06-08 14:23:35	jelle	#HandleLidSwitch=suspend ?
2022-06-08 14:24:06	enoq	jelle: sorry for asking directly, is your mic through the scarlet also pretty quiet? to me it sounds like I need a compressor afterwards
2022-06-08 14:26:45	mingdao	jelle: Yes, I just haven't done it in Fluxbox in this century.  ;)
2022-06-08 14:27:07	mingdao	jelle: Haven't done much on that install, but do have enough swap https://0x0.st/oMJH.txt
2022-06-08 14:33:11	susi	post-factum: do you think the regression is limited to systemd-analyze, or could it be that the set restrictions are not even applied to the service?
2022-06-08 14:36:50	post-factum	susi: i do not have an answer to this
2022-06-08 14:47:59	jelle	enoq: I donut have a scarlett
2022-06-08 14:48:15	jelle	mingdao: are we talking about the same thing :P
2022-06-08 14:49:40	mingdao	It's entirely debatable.  <:)
2022-06-08 14:50:40	jelle	mingdao: do you mean hibernation or suspend?
2022-06-08 14:53:18	wiitali64	:v
2022-06-08 15:13:53	erolkskn	exit
2022-06-08 15:15:13	SysGhost	exit? There's no such thing! Once in, you're in for good!
2022-06-08 15:15:49	Vorpal	hm is there a channel dedicated to help with how to make PKGBUILDs for AUR or should I just ask the questions here?
2022-06-08 15:16:03	SysGhost	See #archlinux-aur
2022-06-08 15:16:08	Vorpal	thanks
2022-06-08 16:04:25	ooonea_eth	Is it possible to have PF of OpenBSD on Arch?
2022-06-08 16:04:36	jelle	no
2022-06-08 16:06:12	ooonea_eth	Okay, I'm going back to OpenBSD or FreeBSD. Thank you.
2022-06-08 16:08:04	jirido	Hi, I try to compile gpick 0.3 but get some errors about lua.. /usr/bin/ld: Script.cpp:(.text+0xd4a): undefined reference to `lua_settop(lua_State*, int)
2022-06-08 16:12:57	jirido	Is it so that ld cant find lua?
2022-06-08 16:13:33	jelle	jirido: or it is not provided with the correct linker flags
2022-06-08 16:15:09	jirido	Ok ... X~/
2022-06-08 16:16:01	jirido	How can I find out the right ones and set ?them
2022-06-08 16:21:13	jelle	jirido: is this https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gpick-git ?
2022-06-08 16:21:17	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - gpick-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-06-08 16:25:40	jirido	 jelle: I tried that first but went for https://github.com/thezbyg/gpick/releases/download/v0.3/gpick-0.3.tar.gz
2022-06-08 16:26:31	jirido	I guess they are the same even if the gpick-git say 2.6.4
2022-06-08 16:26:47	jirido	It was updated some days ago
2022-06-08 16:26:56	jelle	aha!
2022-06-08 16:27:24	omegatron	why would version 2.6.4 be the same as 0.3 ?
2022-06-08 16:28:41	jelle	jirido: so you got that compiled or?
2022-06-08 16:28:46	jirido	oh no it was not.. It was something I saw while it started to install that said an late date
2022-06-08 16:28:55	jirido	jelle: no..
2022-06-08 16:29:57	jirido	gpick 2.6 dont work very well. It launces blank after I tryed to change the layout..
2022-06-08 16:30:32	jirido	And 03 seam to have fixed many bugs so I thought to give it a go.
2022-06-08 16:30:47	jirido	0.3
2022-06-08 16:30:57	jirido	and 0.2.6
2022-06-08 16:31:25	jirido	I love gpick thou.. It is a mean picker
2022-06-08 16:33:43	jirido	some some where they say some thing about lua and C and that it must be compiled with C++ but it is so over my paygrade
2022-06-08 16:33:59	jelle	jirido: that's irrelevant
2022-06-08 16:34:11	jelle	jirido: also flag the package out of date :p
2022-06-08 16:37:39	jirido	OK, so how could I make  ld find lua? make some dir some whare and link or set some variable?
2022-06-08 16:37:53	jelle	jirido: scons should do that, but do you have lua installed?
2022-06-08 16:38:36	jelle	or they broke scons :P
2022-06-08 16:38:55	jelle	jirido: ah you are better switching the PKGBUILD to cmake :)
2022-06-08 16:39:11	jelle	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/CMake_package_guidelines
2022-06-08 16:39:12	phrik	Title: CMake package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-08 16:40:46	jirido	When flagging out of date it says Please do not flag it out-of-date if the package version in the AUR does not match the most recent commit.
2022-06-08 16:41:12	BrainDamage	that's for vcs packages
2022-06-08 16:41:16	jirido	So should I still? It does load the old verson.
2022-06-08 16:41:45	jirido	It says that it is a vcs package..?
2022-06-08 16:41:48	BrainDamage	if it's not a vcs package, then yes
2022-06-08 16:42:05	jirido	This seems to be a VCS package it say
2022-06-08 16:42:21	BrainDamage	link it
2022-06-08 16:42:22	Scimmia	so how is it loading the old version?
2022-06-08 16:42:43	jirido	Scimmia: well the latest is 0.3
2022-06-08 16:42:50	Scimmia	and?
2022-06-08 16:43:21	jirido	so I guess 0.2.6 is the "old"
2022-06-08 16:43:29	jelle	jirido: so it is out of date, so you flag it
2022-06-08 16:43:37	jelle	oh it already is lol
2022-06-08 16:43:43	jelle	> Flagged out-of-date on 2022-05-24
2022-06-08 16:44:34	Scimmia	the git package is not marked out of date as far as I can see
2022-06-08 16:44:46	jirido	okwell I did now atleast
2022-06-08 16:45:01	⚡ 	jelle wonders if this is the aur
2022-06-08 16:45:16	Scimmia	jirido: why?
2022-06-08 16:45:48	Scimmia	you claim it's pulling an old version, but there's nothing that would do that
2022-06-08 16:45:53	lunch	be this the place for arch linux help?
2022-06-08 16:46:15	Scimmia	lunch: yep
2022-06-08 16:46:28	lunch	i tried making an AUR package, it failed on a pkg, i updated said pkg -> still error
2022-06-08 16:46:44	jirido	So how could I go about to find out what to do to make ld link to lua? Scimmia: well I did it because jelle told me to and he seame to know what he is talking about..
2022-06-08 16:46:45	lunch	check the PKGBUILD, it has a ":" in the name
2022-06-08 16:46:49	lunch	remove said charecter 
2022-06-08 16:46:54	lunch	still fail ;c
2022-06-08 16:47:08	jelle	lunch: what PKGBUILD and package
2022-06-08 16:47:27	Scimmia	jirido: as far as I can see, he was talking about the release package in the repos, not the -git package
2022-06-08 16:47:55	lunch	jelle https://aur.archlinux.org/vectr.git this is the package, and it's the "pango" package 
2022-06-08 16:49:01	lunch	"==> Missing dependencies:  -> pango<=1:1.44.1"
2022-06-08 16:49:07	jelle	yes
2022-06-08 16:49:09	lunch	my pango version is 1.5*
2022-06-08 16:49:13	lunch	i suppose i need to downgrade?
2022-06-08 16:49:18	jirido	jelle: HELP! I got an italian at my ass!
2022-06-08 16:49:26	jelle	jirido: what?
2022-06-08 16:49:37	Scimmia	lunch: downgrading pango will likely break a lot of things
2022-06-08 16:49:43	lunch	i tried just making the verison in the PKGBUILD the same as the one i have but that was... not happy with me
2022-06-08 16:50:00	jelle	lunch: hope that there is a flatpak for this
2022-06-08 16:50:04	jirido	Scimmia is after my for flagging the gpick-git out of date!
2022-06-08 16:50:09	lunch	scimmia my thoughts exactly. so failing that and what i jsut said, what hope is left
2022-06-08 16:50:18	lunch	jelle lmao okay.. ill check the now <3
2022-06-08 16:50:31	jirido	Oh god what have I done!
2022-06-08 16:50:35	jelle	lunch: or https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/vectr#comment-777844
2022-06-08 16:50:40	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - vectr (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-06-08 16:50:43	jelle	jirido: calm down
2022-06-08 16:50:54	jirido	<3
2022-06-08 16:51:33	jirido	I must have had to much coffe..
2022-06-08 16:51:35	lunch	jelle that would be in 2019 no less... oh how it pains me
2022-06-08 16:51:44	jelle	lunch: that would be in 2019?
2022-06-08 16:51:55	jelle	yes it has been broken for so long
2022-06-08 16:54:13	jirido	But seriously, why cant ld link to lua? I want to succed to compile gpick 0.3 as it promise a bright future
2022-06-08 16:55:01	omegatron	jirido:  https://github.com/thezbyg/gpick/issues/202 
2022-06-08 16:55:47	jelle	jirido: did you switch it to cmake or how are you compiling?
2022-06-08 16:56:37	jirido	I tried cmake , but that issue mentioned running emerge libtool 
2022-06-08 16:56:49	jirido	i did not find emerge
2022-06-08 16:57:34	jirido	command not found:
2022-06-08 16:57:48	jirido	and also pacman did not find it
2022-06-08 16:58:12	Namarrgon	it's specific to gentoo
2022-06-08 16:58:21	jirido	or should I seriously compile lua my self?
2022-06-08 16:58:35	jirido	It seamed a bit serious..
2022-06-08 16:58:41	jelle	jirido: no, stop doing random stuff :)
2022-06-08 16:58:48	jelle	jirido: share a make V=1 or PKGBUILD 
2022-06-08 16:59:26	omegatron	https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/lua/files/  <-- doesn't show any *-c++.pc files  which are required by gpick 
2022-06-08 16:59:27	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - lua 5.4.4-1 (x86_64) - File List (at archlinux.org)
2022-06-08 16:59:28	susi	I do have /usr/lib/git-core/mergetools/emerge ^^
2022-06-08 16:59:41	jirido	jelle: there is mo PKGBUILD as it is not a arch package but source
2022-06-08 16:59:59	jelle	susi: good for you
2022-06-08 17:19:32	jirido	omegatron: you seamed to know where it should end up to not crash my "normal" lua. Will ld find it there then, even thou it is not in the normal location?
2022-06-08 17:20:28	omegatron	my script will take of that
2022-06-08 17:20:31	omegatron	take care
2022-06-08 17:21:57	susi	jirido: there are env variables like LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but give omegatron some time to work it out for you
2022-06-08 17:23:33	omegatron	building and installing lua 5.4 with c++ is easy .. checking if it works out as it should with gpick is ... annoying
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2022-06-08 17:26:35	ℹ 	Tema establecido por Namarrgon el vie, 06 may 2022 01:12:11
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2022-06-08 17:26:38	omegatron	aha, now gpick builds without error ..
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2022-06-08 17:27:12	omegatron	gpick needs some patching as it pulls the system-wide installed (wrong) lua library of course ..   -_-
2022-06-08 17:27:34	susi	you're a kind person omegatron :)
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2022-06-08 17:31:07	jirido	Yeah i feel the same! It's a vibe.
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2022-06-08 17:32:58	jirido	omegatron: You have nearly made a gpick-git0.3 for aur by solving this.. Gpick 0.2.6 is working bad.
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2022-06-08 17:38:17	Scimmia	gpick-git0.3 makes no sense at all
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2022-06-08 17:38:17	jirido	Of corse not!
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2022-06-08 17:38:17	jirido	I make no sense a lot!
2022-06-08 17:38:17	Scimmia	since gpick-git is already building newer than 0.3
2022-06-08 17:38:17	jirido	whaat?
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2022-06-08 17:38:17	Scimmia	It's a VCS package, it always builds from the latest commit
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2022-06-08 17:38:17	jirido	ahh right ! that was what i saw! I said I saw a late date!
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2022-06-08 17:38:17	jirido	So the PKGBUILD does need a lua c++ as dependency just, right?
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2022-06-08 17:38:17	jirido	so omegatron's soluuton could become a lua-c++ aur package right? 
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2022-06-08 17:38:27	omegatron	more or less it could
2022-06-08 17:38:30	jirido	solution*
2022-06-08 17:38:42	jirido	nice!
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2022-06-08 17:38:48	omegatron	but it would require testing etc. and I can't do that
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2022-06-08 17:39:36	jirido	right.. so gpick-git is broken.. because it depends on a package that does not exists
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2022-06-08 17:50:21	jirido	So my out of date flagg was wrong.. Should I just have commented on the lack of a lua-c++ package in stead?
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2022-06-08 17:50:21	omegatron	ok done, I check now, if gpick actually works
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2022-06-08 17:50:21	omegatron	eh, wait a moment .. why 100% and all ok, but Error 2 ??? 
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2022-06-08 17:50:21	omegatron	argn .. gpick has a testsuite, and needs the same patching
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2022-06-08 17:50:21	jirido	omegatron: we could link your script to the comments of gpic-git. how do you mean patching.. to PKGBUILD or..
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2022-06-08 17:50:21	omegatron	i'm no cmake expert and therefore have to resort to some crude patching sometimes, when cmake doesn't do as told
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2022-06-08 17:50:21	jirido	ok so is this something to edit in to the PKGBUILD as an command then?
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2022-06-08 17:50:21	omegatron	well, an cmake expert would surely have no problem doing this the right now, but until then, yes
2022-06-08 17:50:21	omegatron	ok, now it builds everything without an error
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2022-06-08 17:53:17	omegatron	hm now make install fails ...  I tell ya, this package is very annoying ..  
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2022-06-08 17:57:49	jirido	Well It is a very good program so shall we go with annoyingly good?
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2022-06-08 17:58:20	jirido	Or annoying but good maybe is better?
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2022-06-08 18:00:05	omegatron	make install   doesn't work correctly, but so far all ok
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2022-06-08 18:22:47	sweetmeat	So this is the first time I've experienced this with an AUR package. I tried to download nerdfont-complete and after the half gig download it's hash didn't match and the install aborted. Is this something I should worry about? I figure it's probably the source got updated and the PKGBUILD didn't?
2022-06-08 18:23:19	teraflops	read the output of the makepkg command
2022-06-08 18:24:27	grawity	the pinned comment says the tarball is aroudn 2 GB, not half a gig, so it sounds like the github webserver gave up?
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2022-06-08 18:24:52	sweetmeat	Thank you. Makes sense I'm on a kind of shoddy public wifi so that is probably the case.
2022-06-08 18:25:02	grawity	I mean look at the commetns at https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nerd-fonts-complete
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2022-06-08 18:34:04	omegatron	it's a commonly used concept to install files of a software package to an intermediate directory and not directly to /usr for example, to be able to create a tarball of these just installed files you can use for distribution
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2022-06-08 18:55:12	DemonicSavage	I'll reboot.
2022-06-08 18:56:37	DemonicSavage	Nope, new kernel didn't help.
2022-06-08 18:56:58	DemonicSavage	Interestingly, SDDM works. Probably a Plasma issue?
2022-06-08 18:57:22	Namarrgon	what do you screen when it doesn't work? just black?
2022-06-08 18:57:29	Namarrgon	*you see
2022-06-08 18:57:32	DemonicSavage	Yup. Can't even move my mouse to there.
2022-06-08 18:57:45	Namarrgon	is only this one user affected?
2022-06-08 18:58:07	DemonicSavage	As in my unix user?
2022-06-08 18:58:17	Namarrgon	yes
2022-06-08 18:58:18	DemonicSavage	I'll have to create another to test, will do that
2022-06-08 18:59:37	omegatron	jirido: I also checked out the most recent git version of gpick, and .. it also fails after start immediately with a segmentation fault
2022-06-08 19:02:49	DemonicSavage	Huh. It's just this user having issues.
2022-06-08 19:04:01	DemonicSavage	I should probably pester the Plasma devs about this.
2022-06-08 19:07:27	DemonicSavage	Fixed it somehow. It was for some reason unmarked as "enabled", which happened randomly, and it didn't show up in the display configuration dialog.
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2022-06-08 19:32:34	bertieb	it'll be whatever I had mounted as ESP at the time, presumably
2022-06-08 19:32:56	grawity	the EFI system partition is a good point, Windows never puts its bootloader directly in C:\ anymore
2022-06-08 19:33:21	bertieb	so even though the two drives have separate EFI partitions, only one would have been mounted when I ran grub-mkconfig
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2022-06-08 19:34:32	bertieb	(..."as a [search] result, sintead of all the other nonsense like manually bit-twiddling partiton headers)
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2022-06-08 19:36:29	bertieb	right, right- I was kinda half-wrong: I had also cloned the EFI partition, so both have the same FAT32 UUID
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2022-06-08 19:38:52	bertieb	so I can change one, and that should hopefully help sort out the conflict
2022-06-08 19:39:20	bertieb	thanks all, most helpful in filling in a gap in my knowledge and oversight :)
2022-06-08 19:40:03	bertieb	(gparted rekcons windows might complain about a new EFI id from an activation POV, but I'll cross that bridge... hopefully never)
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2022-06-08 19:52:46	grawity	it doesn't care, I've cloned systems where I just built a new EFI partition from scratch (like dd'ing a BIOS installation to a GPT disk and creating an EFI boot) and it always seems to have worked
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2022-06-08 19:57:51	bertieb	grawity: ah, good to know re activation, cheers
2022-06-08 19:59:43	bertieb	it still wants to boot from the old SSD install despite the new grub config pointing to separate roots; but I'm not sure how the windows boot process / bootmgfw.efi works
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2022-06-08 20:01:31	susi	bertieb: `efibootmgr -v` may help
2022-06-08 20:02:00	omegatron	bertieb: I'm not sure, if microsoft does 
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2022-06-08 20:03:30	bertieb	susi: there's a windows entry, but my understanding is that grub takes over ?
2022-06-08 20:03:35	bertieb	omegatron: ha :P
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2022-06-09 19:30:05	Fr0stBit	BrainDamage: Yeah I know, I'm just curious about the issue
2022-06-09 19:30:34	Fr0stBit	SponiX: Nah, same build in native arch (x86_64) does not even use as much ram
2022-06-09 19:31:05	BrainDamage	is the usage during compiling or linking?
2022-06-09 19:31:32	Fr0stBit	Its a rust build
2022-06-09 19:31:44	Fr0stBit	during the crates.io index download
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2022-06-09 19:41:51	dav1d	Fr0stBit, probably not a solution to your exact problem, but why cross compile with qemu, this is extremly slow. You can cross compile without emulating the architecture with rust relatively easy
2022-06-09 19:45:27	dav1d	To build a aarch64 container I cross compile the binary with the correct toolchain, then only copy over the binary in the actually container build
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2022-06-09 19:46:25	Vorpal	what's the deal with /usr/bin/vendor_perl/? 
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2022-06-09 19:46:43	Vorpal	as in, why is it a separate directory for some commands
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2022-06-09 19:47:15	erolkskn	Vorpal: probably a standard from dinosaur age 
2022-06-09 19:47:50	thursdaylark	https://stackoverflow.com/questions/54470275/what-is-the-difference-between-the-core-vendor-and-site-locations-in-perl
2022-06-09 19:47:51	phrik	Title: cygwin - What is the difference between the core, vendor and site locations in Perl? - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
2022-06-09 19:47:53	Vorpal	hm. I wonder if other distros uses this. I don't remember seeing it elsewhere, but would I ever had looked for it?
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2022-06-09 19:48:32	Vorpal	the only reason I discovered is that the command-not-found handler from pkgfile didn't find the thing.
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2022-06-09 20:29:47	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-09 20:35:34	machinehum	Can anyone suggest some simple software for hosting a wiki, it seems docuwiki requires php74 which is older and in the AUR
2022-06-09 20:35:49	machinehum	I would like something that works with the latest version of php
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2022-06-09 20:36:24	Vorpal	machinehum: simple hm
2022-06-09 20:36:35	Vorpal	mediawiki is not really simple
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2022-06-09 20:36:52	grawity	eh I'd just run dokuwiki against php74-fpm
2022-06-09 20:36:55	grawity	if i had to
2022-06-09 20:36:58	MrElendig	machinehum: tip: containers
2022-06-09 20:37:03	teraflops	yeah use docker
2022-06-09 20:37:08	machinehum	Yeah just drop in /srv/http/ ... doesn't need lots of config
2022-06-09 20:37:17	grawity	fastcgi and fpm let you run multiple php versions with the same webserver
2022-06-09 20:38:01	MrElendig	there are quite a few alternative wiki implementantions though, including some rest/md based ones, so you don't have to deal with horrible wiki markup
2022-06-09 20:38:27	colo	dokuwiki is fine, and its markup isn't horrible
2022-06-09 20:38:44	colo	it's the only php application that I do not actively hate
2022-06-09 20:38:50	teraflops	heh
2022-06-09 20:38:57	Vorpal	what wiki do you use if you hate php itself?
2022-06-09 20:39:49	thursdaylark	just drop in /var/www/ huh? sounds like you want a static site generator instead...
2022-06-09 20:40:07	thursdaylark	er whatever root dir you configure :P
2022-06-09 20:40:51	machinehum	thursdaylark: Perhaps
2022-06-09 20:40:59	machinehum	Are there ones that work like wiki's?
2022-06-09 20:41:07	thursdaylark	mine uses hugo
2022-06-09 20:41:09	Vorpal	thursdaylark: eh, my website is a static one generated from markdown. It is nice. Wikis are better for some things though
2022-06-09 20:41:11	jelle	thursdaylark: dokuwiki is not static however
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2022-06-09 20:41:50	thursdaylark	jelle: yeah, mainly going on what they're asking for setup-wise
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2022-06-09 20:44:12	thursdaylark	machinehum: you're going to have to go into detail about what you mean by "works like a wiki"
2022-06-09 20:44:54	machinehum	I probably don't want a static site generator, ideally I want to make an account and edit content from various places
2022-06-09 20:45:23	machinehum	I'm going to give dokuwiki a go, seems like the best option
2022-06-09 20:45:37	thursdaylark	ahh, so you want to be able to edit via the browser
2022-06-09 20:45:44	machinehum	Ideally yeah
2022-06-09 20:45:49	jelle	https://www.getoutline.com/ looked really cool but requires auth via slack/google :(
2022-06-09 20:45:49	phrik	Title: Outline – Team knowledge base & wiki (at www.getoutline.com)
2022-06-09 20:45:49	grawity	that's the point of a wiki?
2022-06-09 20:46:14	chewing_bever	a full on backend for hosting a wiki is such overkill imo, just use a static site generator & develop using git smh
2022-06-09 20:46:15	MrElendig	what content you want also changes the choices a bit, eg some are absolute trash for code, or multimedia stuff
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2022-06-09 20:46:36	machinehum	Just markdown, images ideal, code
2022-06-09 20:46:49	machinehum	What does the arch wiki itself use?
2022-06-09 20:46:55	grawity	it's a mediawiki
2022-06-09 20:47:00	grawity	as in the one used by wikipedia
2022-06-09 20:47:15	machinehum	hmm
2022-06-09 20:47:30	jelle	chewing_bever: that's not what the person is asking for
2022-06-09 20:47:50	grawity	people do use it for selfhosted wikis a lot, but as far as PHP apps go it seems to be Large™
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2022-06-09 20:48:03	machinehum	Oh it needs a db
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2022-06-09 20:48:19	machinehum	So that's a little more complex
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2022-06-10 12:42:30	Khorne	Oh, forgot the most common cause, is it just fucking muted?
2022-06-10 12:42:45	Gagis	aaaaalways check for mute first
2022-06-10 13:12:12	docmax	Khorne, it begins at kernel level, there is no [    6.332911] cs35l41 spi-VLV1776:00: Cirrus Logic CS35L41 (35a40), Revision: B2
2022-06-10 13:12:21	docmax	only on original steamos kernel
2022-06-10 13:13:00	docmax	then there is: [   23.871560] cs35l41 spi-VLV1776:00: DSP1: cs35l41-dsp1-spk-prot.wmfw: Fri 02 Apr 2021 21:03:50 W. Europe Daylight Time
2022-06-10 13:13:07	jelle	docmax: are you using steamos and not arch?
2022-06-10 13:13:29	docmax	i want arch
2022-06-10 13:13:41	docmax	the log is from steamos
2022-06-10 13:14:02	jelle	steamos uses a different kernel
2022-06-10 13:14:11	jelle	ok nvm, I don't want to waste time on this
2022-06-10 13:14:31	txtsd	How do I figure out why my firefox isn't using as much CPU as possible to load tabs etc? I cycle through several tabs to load them and firefox basically freezes for me. btop show 25% CPU usage across cores max.
2022-06-10 13:15:48	Gagis	memory is likely to be the bottleneck, not cpu
2022-06-10 13:15:55	neko2	txtsd: my understanding of that sort of output is that it's a one (or maybe a few) thread(s) that just happen to be scheduled across whatever core was available. just because it shows activity across many physical cores doesn't mean it's using that many threads at once.
2022-06-10 13:16:30	txtsd	I don't think my RAM is slow RAM, if that's what you mean.
2022-06-10 13:16:57	txtsd	neko2: Is there anything I can do to make it better? My workflow involves TreeStyleTab with tons of tabs open for research etc.
2022-06-10 13:17:14	neko2	txtsd: it depends on what thread's causing the bottleneck
2022-06-10 13:17:36	danisanti	does jack substitute alsa or pulseaudio?
2022-06-10 13:17:42	neko2	I'd get a thread view if possible and peer at the names
2022-06-10 13:17:49	jelle	danisanti: neither really
2022-06-10 13:17:51	neko2	so you can see if there's one that's pinning at 100%
2022-06-10 13:18:01	txtsd	Okay I'll check in htop
2022-06-10 13:18:17	Gagis	docmax, does your kernel include or load the cs35l41_hda driver? getting system to work on unsupported hardware can take quite a bit of tweaking
2022-06-10 13:18:37	danisanti	jelle: ok, let me ask in another way. I want to get rid of pulseaudio. what are my alternatives?
2022-06-10 13:18:39	Gagis	the driver support for that chip seems to be fairly new
2022-06-10 13:18:45	jelle	danisanti: pipewire
2022-06-10 13:18:49	dav1d	danisanti, pipewire
2022-06-10 13:18:52	jelle	there is nothing else :)
2022-06-10 13:18:54	neko2	pipewire
2022-06-10 13:18:59	neko2	the one true audio server now
2022-06-10 13:19:04	neko2	(among other things)
2022-06-10 13:19:21	neko2	it can do both pulse and jack duties in the same package!
2022-06-10 13:19:50	danisanti	why should I choose pipewire?
2022-06-10 13:20:15	neko2	probably the most supported thing for mixed audio duty going forward, for one
2022-06-10 13:20:18	jelle	danisanti: because it replaces all other audio solutions
2022-06-10 13:20:46	danisanti	so, does pipewire need alsa?
2022-06-10 13:20:55	txtsd	neko2: It's a firefox subprocess that's maxing at 100%, not any particular thread.
2022-06-10 13:21:14	jonathon	danisanti: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pipewire
2022-06-10 13:21:16	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-10 13:21:18	Gagis	hm, I kinda wanna try it some day. how horrifying will migrating from pulse be?
2022-06-10 13:21:43	neko2	actually, I'd rather think it will be quite the breath of fresh air if my experience was anything to go by
2022-06-10 13:21:44	dav1d	Gagis, for me, I just had to swap packages
2022-06-10 13:21:46	neko2	everything just works...
2022-06-10 13:21:52	jonathon	^
2022-06-10 13:22:00	dav1d	^
2022-06-10 13:22:10	neko2	txtsd: interesting... I'm not sure if there's a way to enquire what that particular subprocess is doing. (I'm not sure if they're spawned by the master process with the URL in their args)
2022-06-10 13:22:11	dav1d	especially bluetooth, which I had lots of troubles with
2022-06-10 13:22:37	txtsd	Is there something I can use to capture process/thread activity to view as a graph or something? htop isn't really good to look at when view threads is enabled.
2022-06-10 13:22:55	neko2	txtsd: so like htop but tree view?
2022-06-10 13:23:05	txtsd	I do use tree view
2022-06-10 13:23:23	txtsd	I'm not sure what I need to show the usage to others
2022-06-10 13:24:50	txtsd	Hmm it seems to be cycling between 2 tabs that reach 100% alternately
2022-06-10 13:24:55	txtsd	processes, not tabs
2022-06-10 13:25:24	txtsd	And testing this in a clean profile would be difficult because I'd have to replicate my addons and tons of tabs
2022-06-10 13:26:05	neko2	meanwhile... today's minor irritance: I was planning to make use of the fancy LVM feature where you can online migrate LVs to a new PV added to a VG. except... I had not thought about the fact the extent size must be the same. but the new drive's a different NAND type so... minorly concerned it would not be erase block aligned. I guess this doesn't happen in the server world with big nand arrays
2022-06-10 13:26:05	neko2	of the 
2022-06-10 13:26:11	neko2	same drive. -_-
2022-06-10 13:26:21	neko2	txtsd: I have to admit, I _have_ noticed a 100% cpu freeze bug in firefox a lot recently
2022-06-10 13:26:31	neko2	it seems to be when certain tabs at least are open too long...
2022-06-10 13:26:31	danisanti	do I need alsa in order to have pipewire?
2022-06-10 13:26:59	danisanti	I understand almost nothing about sound in archlinux
2022-06-10 13:27:03	neko2	danisanti: well I mean, alsa is the kernel interface and associated libraries to talk to the vast majority of audio devices, so technically yes
2022-06-10 13:27:09	jelle	danisanti: alsa as in the pacakge or kernel interface?
2022-06-10 13:27:19	neko2	... oh, good point
2022-06-10 13:27:21	txtsd	neko2: github particularly requires a LOT of CPU to render for some reason
2022-06-10 13:27:30	danisanti	package, I guess
2022-06-10 13:27:35	txtsd	Makes me want to quit and move to sourcehut
2022-06-10 13:27:37	danisanti	I have no idea
2022-06-10 13:27:42	neko2	txtsd: I have speculated it is something to do with layout reflow... but this is complete conjecture
2022-06-10 13:28:00	txtsd	Interesting
2022-06-10 13:28:02	neko2	when the freezing gets bad there's a noticeable delay switching channels in discord web say (*ducks*)
2022-06-10 13:28:18	txtsd	Discord is slow af for me regardless XD
2022-06-10 13:28:45	neko2	like, scrolling things in view already drawn and laid out is fine as that's just webrender and the gpu, but anything new, LAGGGG
2022-06-10 13:29:07	danisanti	in order to make sound work, why do I need 2 different programs/packages, like alsa and pipewire?
2022-06-10 13:29:32	danisanti	never understood this
2022-06-10 13:29:44	jelle	danisanti: you don't need alsa, why do you think you do?
2022-06-10 13:29:49	txtsd	I do a lot of middle clicking to open new tabs, and as soon as the number of loading tabs reaches 2, visual changes in browser chrome takes like 500ms or more to reflect
2022-06-10 13:30:01	txtsd	s/or more/and upwards/
2022-06-10 13:30:34	danisanti	jelle: because that is what I have been doing up until now... always installed alsa and pulseaudio....
2022-06-10 13:30:42	jelle	danisanti: ok
2022-06-10 13:31:17	jelle	danisanti: spare a few minutes and read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#Installation
2022-06-10 13:31:18	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-10 13:31:25	danisanti	jelle: ok
2022-06-10 13:31:34	jelle	danisanti: or if you are using gnome/kde already it should be a dependency already I think
2022-06-10 13:35:07	danisanti	jelle: I am not using kde/gnome
2022-06-10 13:36:09	danisanti	jelle: so, can I uninstall alsa and pulseaudio, and install pipewire and my sound should work without a missing component?
2022-06-10 13:36:24	jelle	sure
2022-06-10 13:36:51	danisanti	jelle: that is great
2022-06-10 13:37:24	danisanti	I always though it was stupid to have alsa and pulse just for sound
2022-06-10 13:40:44	Nact	speaking of 100% core usage, I noticed now for some reason hovering over the youtube progression drives CPU usage like crazy, like more than the video itself
2022-06-10 13:40:57	danisanti	for obs studio, does pipewire work for obs studio streamming?
2022-06-10 13:41:00	novns	just remember that pipewire is not mature yet, it still has issues
2022-06-10 13:41:13	jelle	danisanti: yes
2022-06-10 13:41:40	jelle	danisanti: https://www.linuxuprising.com/2021/06/obs-studio-27-released-with-wayland-and.html
2022-06-10 13:42:15	danisanti	jelle: I don't have wayland. X11 yes
2022-06-10 13:42:48	jelle	danisanti: it doesn't say it is exlusive?
2022-06-10 13:43:06	danisanti	jelle: ok
2022-06-10 14:00:00	danisanti	I am not interested in pipewire. Can I install jack without alsa and sound works ?
2022-06-10 14:00:19	danisanti	or for jack, alsa is needed?
2022-06-10 14:01:39	jelle	danisanti: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/52183 have fun :)
2022-06-10 14:01:40	phrik	Title: FS#52183 : [firefox] Jack support is somewhat cumbersome (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-06-10 14:03:07	danisanti	jelle: thank you for the info. I am not a firefox user though
2022-06-10 14:04:45	Alabama_Al	https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/kali-linux-team-to-stream-free-penetration-testing-course-on-twitch/
2022-06-10 14:04:47	phrik	Title: Kali Linux team to stream free penetration testing course on Twitch (at www.bleepingcomputer.com)
2022-06-10 14:06:43	Alabama_Al	wrong channel, sorry.
2022-06-10 14:13:34	Scimmia	danisanti: you say you know nothing about linux sound, and your questions support that, so why try to get rid of pulse? Dropping something you don't understand isn't rational
2022-06-10 14:14:47	Scimmia	and then ignore the advice of people that give you an easy route to do that
2022-06-10 14:25:41	artefact	you can't "not install alsa". alsa is part of the kernel. and the userspace component (libasound) is very likely a needed dependency of much of your system
2022-06-10 14:26:21	sharperguy	Hmm, I wonder why the package lightdm-gtk-greeter is wanting to install wayland? Looks like an unexpected nested dependency.
2022-06-10 14:26:41	artefact	alsa contains the actual drivers for sound interfaces. other sound servers (jack, pulse, pipewire) still spit out samples to alsa
2022-06-10 14:26:55	artefact	well, except bluetooth interfaces
2022-06-10 14:28:51	danisanti	thanks
2022-06-10 14:38:09	Namarrgon	sharperguy: pactree -r lightdm-gtk-greeter
2022-06-10 14:46:11	sharperguy	Namarrgon, I guess that it only works for installed packages? But I don't really want to install wayland
2022-06-10 14:48:22	jelle	gtk3 pulls it in :)
2022-06-10 14:51:25	Scimmia	as does mesa. Nearly impossible to avoid
2022-06-10 14:52:33	sharperguy	that seems kind of... bad? Is it just a sneaky way of trying to get people to use wayland?
2022-06-10 14:53:06	jelle	sharperguy: why is it bad?
2022-06-10 14:53:06	Scimmia	it's just a library
2022-06-10 14:53:11	BrainDamage	that's just wayland's protocol definition library, not wayland compositors
2022-06-10 14:53:29	BrainDamage	same applies for xorg's lib, wayland purists will complain it's dragged in
2022-06-10 14:53:39	Vorpal	in KDE, my pinned icons in the taskbar has been reset to defaults after reboot. This is the second time in a month that happened. Doesn't happen every time.
2022-06-10 14:54:03	sharperguy	fair enough, if it's just a library. My mistake because the package is called "wayland" I assumed it was the whole shebang
2022-06-10 14:54:12	jelle	it's kinda funny that you want to run bleeding edge Arch and still can't handle wayland
2022-06-10 14:54:43	sharperguy	yeah i like my "old" window managers that don't support wayland
2022-06-10 14:54:52	Scimmia	wayland isn't set up the same was as Xorg, you can't think of it like that
2022-06-10 15:18:53	very_sneaky	nice. thread sanitizer is working with gcc again. that's useful
2022-06-10 15:26:59	Vorpal	very_sneaky: I never used that sanitizer. I tried the valgrind thread debugging tool once and it had so many false positives. Is thread sanitizer better?
2022-06-10 15:32:17	Arsimael	Quick Question,m how can I add a DNS server to the arch live system running from disk?
2022-06-10 15:32:31	Arsimael	(usb disk)
2022-06-10 15:33:49	txtsd	What's a fast email client? I'm tired of how laggy thunderbird is.
2022-06-10 15:35:35	BrainDamage	laggy in what? launching? opening emails?
2022-06-10 15:35:50	txtsd	Marking as read, archiving etc.
2022-06-10 15:36:05	BrainDamage	switch from mbox to maildir storage forma
2022-06-10 15:36:12	Vorpal	using imap?
2022-06-10 15:36:15	BrainDamage	that made a world of difference in performance for me
2022-06-10 15:36:19	txtsd	Yes, gmail IMAP
2022-06-10 15:36:34	Vorpal	I find that the speed differs depending on my connection. It is much slower over tethered mobile
2022-06-10 15:36:48	Vorpal	while at work or at home it is very fast
2022-06-10 15:37:06	txtsd	I'm on a wired connection. It shouldn't be a connection problem.
2022-06-10 15:37:07	Vorpal	BrainDamage: huh, didn't know thunderbird supported maildir
2022-06-10 15:37:20	txtsd	BrainDamage: Settings only lets me choose for new accounts. How do I convert?
2022-06-10 15:37:33	txtsd	And can mailbox be read by different clients if I choose to switch clients?
2022-06-10 15:37:38	txtsd	*maildir
2022-06-10 15:37:46	BrainDamage	keep reading
2022-06-10 15:37:55	BrainDamage	read: yes, changed: no
2022-06-10 15:38:43	BrainDamage	thunderbird supports writing it, but not reading arbitrary changes, so if a third party changes the content you risk ending up in an undefined state
2022-06-10 15:38:46	Vorpal	txtsd: I had some luck with evolution as well, though I haven't used it on a truly massive account
2022-06-10 15:39:05	txtsd	I tried evolution but didn't like its UI very much.
2022-06-10 15:39:10	txtsd	Too THICC for me
2022-06-10 15:39:10	Vorpal	fair enough
2022-06-10 15:39:27	Vorpal	at least it doesn't look like modern gnome, it seems they have left it relatively untouched
2022-06-10 15:40:08	BrainDamage	anything that uses notmuch as backend will be quite fast
2022-06-10 15:41:03	Vorpal	txtsd: mutt is also nice if you like terminal programs, but is apparently broken with gmail as of this month due to server side authentication changes
2022-06-10 15:41:03	txtsd	BrainDamage: Then its a no go for me. I require something stable.
2022-06-10 15:41:26	BrainDamage	I've been using it since 7+ years
2022-06-10 15:41:28	txtsd	Vorpal: I don't mind trying terminal based email, but it needs to play well with gmail.
2022-06-10 15:41:50	Vorpal	doesn't emacs have an email client?
2022-06-10 15:41:52	BrainDamage	it's stable, just don't make other clients access it
2022-06-10 15:41:53	Vorpal	never tried it
2022-06-10 15:41:57	BrainDamage	so keep it as private storage
2022-06-10 15:42:08	BrainDamage	rather than as a shared maildir
2022-06-10 15:42:20	BrainDamage	I have a shared maildir setup separately
2022-06-10 15:42:35	BrainDamage	is it wasteful? yes, but it guarantees you don't violate the constraints
2022-06-10 15:43:02	Vorpal	how does notmuch work? Is it a library, an email client or a set of helper programs?
2022-06-10 15:43:12	Vorpal	I'm reading the web page and it doesn't get to the point
2022-06-10 15:43:23	jelle	why not both
2022-06-10 15:43:28	BrainDamage	it's an indexer program / library
2022-06-10 15:43:31	Vorpal	ah
2022-06-10 15:43:39	Vorpal	so what MUAs play nice with it?
2022-06-10 15:44:47	BrainDamage	I use neomutt, but you can use nearly anything
2022-06-10 16:01:25	txtsd	BrainDamage: You were right. I switched to maildir and it's fast af
2022-06-10 16:02:56	BrainDamage	not having to parse a multi-gb file for every operation helps
2022-06-10 16:03:02	txtsd	I can't wait to move to fastmail. I despise gmail's ideosyncracies.
2022-06-10 16:20:41	dignissimus[m]	https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-boxes/-/issues/806
2022-06-10 16:20:43	phrik	Title: Stuck in a Allocating ressources creating vm (#806) · Issues · GNOME / GNOME Boxes · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
2022-06-10 16:20:48	Dotz0cat	Any idea why my laptop that was left on over night would have its screen off with the caps lock key blinking? Its not responing to any input. My guess is it paniced
2022-06-10 16:21:22	dignissimus[m]	This issue seems to only affect arch users, what's the process to take here?
2022-06-10 16:28:31	lf94	How do I completely remove postgresql from my system?
2022-06-10 16:28:53	lf94	Upon upgrading I'm getting an "old database format" error which I dont care to resolve by upgrading the format
2022-06-10 16:29:08	lf94	I just want to wipe the installation and start from scratch
2022-06-10 16:29:24	Scimmia	dignissimus[m]: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/74687
2022-06-10 16:29:25	phrik	Title: FS#74687 : [gnome-boxes] requires qemu-desktop, which conflicts qemu-full (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-06-10 16:30:57	Dotz0cat	I dont know what the issue was but restarting the computer fixes it. I would like to know what caused it. 
2022-06-10 16:31:25	Scimmia	lf94: find the database, probably in /var, and delete it
2022-06-10 16:31:45	dignissimus[m]	Dotz0cat: Your laptop probably tried to enter suspend or hibernate
2022-06-10 16:32:06	dignissimus[m]	I've had the issue on another laptop where it caused a panic
2022-06-10 16:32:06	dignissimus[m]	Scimmia: Thanks!
2022-06-10 16:32:13	lf94	Scimmia: I did a rm -rf /var/lib/postgres but I get the same error
2022-06-10 16:32:27	Scimmia	Dotz0cat: blinking caps lock is a kernel panic
2022-06-10 16:34:48	semeion	i'm pressing caps lock key repeatedly and the led is blinking, and i have no kernel panic
2022-06-10 16:35:10	semeion	xD
2022-06-10 16:36:42	BrainDamage	lf94: make sure to delete it after the service is stopped
2022-06-10 16:37:06	lf94	It could never start lol
2022-06-10 16:37:11	Scimmia	and make sure the database is actually there. I don't know where it's stored
2022-06-10 16:37:22	post-factum	cool, redis 7.0.1 segfaults on start. 7.0.0 works fine
2022-06-10 16:37:35	BrainDamage	wait, you deleted  /var/lib/postgres ?
2022-06-10 16:37:41	BrainDamage	that's the homedir of the user
2022-06-10 16:37:50	BrainDamage	you deleted the home, it can't recreate itself
2022-06-10 16:37:58	BrainDamage	the db is a subdir
2022-06-10 16:38:10	BrainDamage	reinstall the package and let it recreate the home
2022-06-10 16:45:19	lf94	Ah; issue: fixed :D
2022-06-10 16:46:51	zeraphel	I'm struggling with PDF readers, What can i do about antialiasing making serif fonts hardly legible on my low dpi monitor?
2022-06-10 16:48:07	post-factum	https://github.com/redis/redis/issues/10846 anyone else?
2022-06-10 16:48:15	mpan	zeraphel: serif typefaces may generally look poor on displays at smaller sizes. But if you compare that to some other situations: can you post a screenshot showing an example? Perhaps issue with hinting? Or using subpixel blurring?
2022-06-10 16:57:44	p4r4D0xum	Hello, after kernel update wifi stopped working on my sony vaio. Wifi card in question is AR928X.
2022-06-10 16:58:01	p4r4D0xum	rfkill shows that sony-wifi and phy0 is hard blocked.
2022-06-10 17:05:28	novns	post-factum, no, it works
2022-06-10 17:06:03	zeraphel	sorry for the disconnect,  any hints on sorting out fonts / dpi for pdf viewers?
2022-06-10 17:07:06	novns	post-factum, try to clean /var/lib/redis, maybe it fails to load the cache
2022-06-10 17:07:33	post-factum	novns: ack will try. but maybe upstream devs will suggest something first
2022-06-10 17:13:59	mpan	zeraphel: serif typefaces may generally look poor on displays at smaller sizes. But if you compare that to some other situations: can you post a screenshot showing an example? Perhaps issue with hinting? Or using subpixel blurring?
2022-06-10 17:24:16	post-factum	novns: it's a regression under `ProcSubset=pid`, that's why you don't hit it
2022-06-10 17:25:18	novns	post-factum, ok
2022-06-10 17:29:35	zeraphel	mpan: Some screenshots  https://0x0.st/oM0I.png (page fit to the whole screen)  https://0x0.st/oM0U.png (zoomed in to an absurd degree)
2022-06-10 17:36:38	zeraphel	Don't know the first thing about setting up fonts,  I'd just like to read without squinting..
2022-06-10 17:38:50	zeraphel	Second screenshot shows the problem,  Is it possible to render the pdf with a font that doesn't use thin lines for some of the edges?  else how should i go about setting up the hinting, aliasing, subpixel blurring, etc
2022-06-10 17:48:19	artefact	pdf rendering usually embeds its own fonts, i don't think it goes through fontconfig/harfbuzz
2022-06-10 17:49:52	mpan	zeraphel: sry, I am AFK now. Try setting hinting to full for that typeface at small sizes, in fontconfig settings.
2022-06-10 17:52:17	mpan	Though, what artefact said, it may not go through FC. Then I believe it must go through the PDF’s rendering engine bugtracker. Hinting font like that is clearly a bug.
2022-06-10 17:52:54	Vorpal	zeraphel: is the program by any chance a GTK4 one?
2022-06-10 17:53:36	Vorpal	if so, for sane font rendering you need to set a line in gtkrc
2022-06-10 17:54:19	Vorpal	~/.config/gtk-4.0/settings.ini needs, in the section [Settings]: gtk-hint-font-metrics=true
2022-06-10 17:54:33	Vorpal	it's gnome devs being gnome devs again
2022-06-10 17:58:51	zeraphel	Vorpal: I've been using solely i3wm for the past 5+ years on this rig, and im ashamed to say im uncertain if Zathura depends on gtk or not
2022-06-10 17:59:25	Vorpal	zeraphel: hm, it is worth checking with pacman -Si, also it is worth checking if another PDF reader renders differently
2022-06-10 18:02:06	zeraphel	Vorpal: no neither zathura or mupdf depend on gtk apparently
2022-06-10 18:02:27	Vorpal	hm
2022-06-10 18:02:44	BrainDamage	zathura depends on gtk
2022-06-10 18:02:51	Vorpal	I didn't see the beginning of this: Did this start happening after a recent update?
2022-06-10 18:02:56	BrainDamage	it has a middleware lib called girara that does
2022-06-10 18:04:23	zeraphel	BrainDamage: thank you for the correction,  yep it appears to be the case looking at pactree
2022-06-10 18:04:38	zeraphel	Vorpal: No its a (very) old problem,  Something i never configured properly i guess.
2022-06-10 18:05:18	grawity	sometimes libraries change behavior and ancient "proper" configs end up doing more harm than good
2022-06-10 18:05:36	Vorpal	I added a section on that GTK4 font nonsese, since I couldn't find anything: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Font_configuration#Hinting_in_GTK4_programs
2022-06-10 18:05:37	phrik	Title: Font configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-10 18:05:53	Vorpal	nonsense*
2022-06-10 18:09:48	zeraphel	Vorpal: Should restarting the window manager be sufficient to reload the gtk configurations?  Cause im seeing no to negligible effect im afraid to say
2022-06-10 18:10:20	grawity	gtk in apps has no relationship with the window manager at all
2022-06-10 18:10:20	Vorpal	zeraphel: hm. I think I only had to restart the program even
2022-06-10 18:10:30	Vorpal	anyway it is specific to GTK4 programs
2022-06-10 18:10:35	Vorpal	GTK3 and older don't have that issue
2022-06-10 18:11:10	Vorpal	also you need to fully restart the program, I missed then when I was first trying it out since easyeffects minimises to the systray
2022-06-10 18:11:29	Vorpal	or not systray even, just plain background
2022-06-10 18:11:51	zeraphel	I'm guessing this doesn't apply to zathura then,  oh well.  might be worth looking into other pdf readers..
2022-06-10 18:12:12	artefact	zathura has two backends iirc, try the other one maybe
2022-06-10 18:13:29	⚡ 	mpan is back.
2022-06-10 18:13:51	zeraphel	artefact: I'm currently using zathura-pdf-poppler,  have mupdf installed separately and its exhibiting the same rendering issues.  I'll try the zathura-pdf-mupdf *shrug*
2022-06-10 18:15:37	artefact	maybe it's just a bad pdf? have you tried reproducing from eg, self compiled TeX document?
2022-06-10 18:15:55	BrainDamage	zathura is pretty meh as a document reader tbh
2022-06-10 18:16:17	BrainDamage	in like 7+ years they haven't fixed unven pages sizes messing zoom and padding for the whole document
2022-06-10 18:16:40	BrainDamage	you get each page padded to the largest size in the document
2022-06-10 18:16:54	BrainDamage	so one single page will make a huge gaps between each one
2022-06-10 18:16:57	zeraphel	artefact: No, I don't write much.. I guess my prob is having a bunch of "bad documents" That'd i'd like to read.
2022-06-10 18:17:20	zeraphel	BrainDamage: Which reader do you prefer then?
2022-06-10 18:17:49	BrainDamage	I currently use llpp, i'm not 100% satisfied, but others were worse
2022-06-10 18:18:16	artefact	emacs also has a builtin pdf reader. i should learn it more
2022-06-10 18:19:05	zeraphel	Thanks,  I'll look into both of these. :)
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2022-06-10 18:44:38	sweetmeat	Is there some way to tell pacman to keep it's hands off that specific .desktop? I'd rather deal with the rare case it actually needs to change than this.
2022-06-10 18:44:45	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-06-10 18:45:22	Namarrgon	"man pacman.conf" but i wouldn't recommend it
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2022-06-10 18:45:35	sweetmeat	Why?
2022-06-10 18:45:52	Namarrgon	you'll forget about it and stuff will break
2022-06-10 18:46:43	artefact	wouldn't pacman use .pacnew instead of overwriting?
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2022-06-10 18:46:49	artefact	i feel like it should, for a .desktop file
2022-06-10 18:47:21	sweetmeat	I don't know. It definitely overwrote my .desktop because I had added arguments to exec and changed the icon and post -Syu they were gone
2022-06-10 18:47:39	bertptrs	pacman will only use pacnew for files in the backup array
2022-06-10 18:48:03	bertptrs	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PKGBUILD#backup
2022-06-10 18:48:04	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-10 18:48:31	sweetmeat	@Namarrgon I'd much rather deal with the offchance that kitty changes it's executable name/the one arg I'm passing it then do this every time it updates. That's a terrible user experience.
2022-06-10 18:48:48	Namarrgon	then override it in ~
2022-06-10 18:50:09	sweetmeat	Okay so if I just cp the .desktop to ~/.local/share/applications it'll overwrite the entry in /usr/...
2022-06-10 18:50:15	sweetmeat	well not overwrite
2022-06-10 18:50:17	sweetmeat	but be used over
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2022-06-10 18:50:35	BrainDamage	override
2022-06-10 18:50:42	sweetmeat	Thank you.
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2022-06-10 18:53:11	sweetmeat	That works thank you for your help!
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2022-06-10 19:31:17	justkdng	oin #rxvt-unicode
2022-06-10 19:31:21	justkdng	oops
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2022-06-10 19:35:32	justkdng	what are some good monospaced japanese fonts? 感謝
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2022-06-10 19:37:21	omegatron	hmm, some packages (in this case libantlr3c) have in their PKGBUILD a git checkout, which requires a username and password .. just out of curiosity, how is this solved when someone wants to install that package from source?
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2022-06-10 19:38:13	Vorpal	omegatron: that sounds really bad
2022-06-10 19:38:14	omegatron	ah, sorry for the noise ... this was an error on my side
2022-06-10 19:38:17	Vorpal	ah
2022-06-10 19:38:39	omegatron	a copy-and-paste error .. the url was missing the 't' at the end of https://github.com/antlr/antlr3.git
2022-06-10 19:39:03	omegatron	yeah, I was really puzzled  =D
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2022-06-10 19:40:42	ℹ 	bin es conocido ahora como MazelTovCocktail
2022-06-10 19:41:12	omegatron	justkdng : maybe Noto Mono ?
2022-06-10 19:41:34	ℹ 	MazelTovCocktail es conocido ahora como bin
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2022-06-10 19:42:23	omegatron	or you could copy the (japanese) fonts from a Mac OS X system (if you have access to one) - they have in general good japanese glyphs
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2022-06-10 19:52:24	justkdng	there is no Noto Mono CJK JP
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2022-06-10 19:54:13	artefact	aren't kanas/kanji monospace by default?
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2022-06-10 19:54:41	artefact	it's why unicode has fullwidth characters to not mess up alignment, aiui
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2022-06-10 20:01:21	BrainDamage	https://eev.ee/blog/2015/05/20/i-stared-into-the-fontconfig-and-the-fontconfig-stared-back-at-me/ has good recomendations
2022-06-10 20:01:22	phrik	Title: I stared into the fontconfig, and the fontconfig stared back at me / fuzzy notepad (at eev.ee)
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2022-06-10 20:01:49	BrainDamage	it's sad how that article is still very relevant nowdays
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2022-06-10 20:15:41	Vorpal	BrainDamage: very interesting post. Explains some weirdness I have seen when using Terminus (TTF) as a font in a terminal
2022-06-10 20:15:48	Vorpal	(I love the crisp bitmap look)
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2022-06-10 20:19:39	artefact	i love it too. "unfortunately" i was gifted a hidpi monitor
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2022-06-10 20:23:14	tirnanog	what sort of weirdness are you referring to?
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2022-06-10 20:23:46	tirnanog	you'd probably want something like this, at least: https://bpa.st/raw/2C2Q
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2022-06-10 20:24:39	tirnanog	it's also possible to fix the pt/px size at what is approrpiate for the font not to be scaled at a non-integer multiple, regardless of what the application specifies, though you might not need to go that far.
2022-06-10 20:25:29	tirnanog	artefact: that same technique can easily be employed to scale such a font as needed for a hidpi monitor, by the way.
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2022-06-10 20:38:16	Vorpal	tirnanog: Terminus (TTF) is weird. It contains embedded bitmap fonts for specific sizes, since is basically a conversion of an old bitmap font.
2022-06-10 20:38:29	Vorpal	so it only works properly at specific sizes
2022-06-10 20:38:32	tirnanog	yes, I know.
2022-06-10 20:38:48	Vorpal	and at those sizes, antialias makes no difference from what I can tell, and it looks great without that
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2022-06-10 20:39:15	Vorpal	I did need to set the proper font family along the lines of the blog BrainDamage linked above though
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2022-06-10 20:39:44	ℹ 	milo_7681 es conocido ahora como milo_768
2022-06-10 20:40:01	Vorpal	tirnanog: it may just be that I use FREETYPE_PROPERTIES="truetype:interpreter-version=35 cff:no-stem-darkening=1 autofitter:warping=1" that makes it looks good
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2022-06-10 20:40:15	Vorpal	IMO without that fonts on modern linux just look terrible overall
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2022-06-10 20:41:23	tirnanog	I would sooner just guarantee no anti-aliasing and a pt size that ends up being a (pixel-relative) perfect integer multiple for fonts such as Terminus. that aside, tthose settings look like they might be interesting for other reasons. I'll make a note of those.
2022-06-10 20:41:45	tirnanog	mind you, I stopped use Terminus of late. for me, it has been usurped by "Bm437 IBM Model3x Alt4 Regular".
2022-06-10 20:42:10	Vorpal	oh, *duck duck goes*
2022-06-10 20:43:29	Vorpal	tirnanog: this https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/fontlist/font?ibm_model3x_alt4 ?
2022-06-10 20:43:30	phrik	Title: Font: IBM Model3x Alt4 - The Ultimate Oldschool PC Font Pack (at int10h.org)
2022-06-10 20:43:40	tirnanog	yes! love it.
2022-06-10 20:44:04	Vorpal	hm, I don't love it. Has a good DOS look though
2022-06-10 20:44:11	tirnanog	it looks worse than it is there because, of course, it's being rendered with AA in the browser.
2022-06-10 20:44:28	Vorpal	I really don't see any antialiasing of note on it
2022-06-10 20:44:32	tirnanog	ok, good.
2022-06-10 20:45:09	tirnanog	yes, it takes on the character of the VGA while retaining the thin strokes of a font such as Terminus.
2022-06-10 20:45:26	tirnanog	I flip-flopped between both for a time but found it to be easier on my eyes eventually.
2022-06-10 20:45:34	tirnanog	of VGA, even.
2022-06-10 20:46:05	tirnanog	at any rate, it's always a pleasure to encounter another bitmap font enthusiast.
2022-06-10 20:46:20	Vorpal	I need a way to quickly export screenshots to 0x
2022-06-10 20:46:21	Vorpal	0x0*
2022-06-10 20:46:26	Vorpal	without having to save to a file
2022-06-10 20:46:46	another|	pipe?
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2022-06-10 20:46:58	Vorpal	tirnanog: https://0x0.st/oMG6.png is what I see in firefox
2022-06-10 20:47:17	tirnanog	yeah, that looks good.
2022-06-10 20:47:24	Vorpal	another|: not from the KDE screenshot tool, know a good command line one that lets you select a region?
2022-06-10 20:47:24	tirnanog	I mean, in the sense that it's rendering well.
2022-06-10 20:47:37	Vorpal	tirnanog: full hinting, no subpixel. And that FREETYPE_PROPERTIES above
2022-06-10 20:47:46	Vorpal	tirnanog: makes Dejavu Sans Mono look good even
2022-06-10 20:48:09	justkdng	do you set up those properties globally?
2022-06-10 20:48:13	thurstylark	Vorpal: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Screen_capture#scrot
2022-06-10 20:48:14	phrik	Title: Screen capture - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-10 20:48:14	tirnanog	intriguing.
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2022-06-10 20:48:35	Vorpal	justkdng: the environment variable? Yes. The hinting & such is set in ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf
2022-06-10 20:48:41	Vorpal	thurstylark++
2022-06-10 20:48:50	thurstylark	just use - as the destination file
2022-06-10 20:48:53	thurstylark	then pipe to...
2022-06-10 20:48:56	thurstylark	!0x0
2022-06-10 20:48:57	Vorpal	right
2022-06-10 20:48:57	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
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2022-06-10 20:49:08	Vorpal	yes I have a script that wraps that curl line
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2022-06-10 20:49:31	⚡ 	thurstylark loves building pipelines like software lego :D
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2022-06-10 20:50:17	Vorpal	tirnanog: I tend to get headaches from blurry fonts or subpixel antialiasing. So recent years have been an uphill battle in how to disable the silly new crap. Especially in GTK programs
2022-06-10 20:50:31	BrainDamage	I have a function like this 0x0st () { curl -F "file=@${1:--}" 'https://0x0.st' | echoclipboard }
2022-06-10 20:50:35	tirnanog	Vorpal: yes, absolutely.
2022-06-10 20:50:49	BrainDamage	brace expansion makes so that it evaluates either function input, or stdin if empty
2022-06-10 20:50:52	wallabra	Could Reflector in theory be sped up by treating mirror speeds as a normal distribution and, after sorting x out of y mirrors, judging the probability of none of the remaining (y-x) being faster?
2022-06-10 20:51:00	tirnanog	Vorpal: with GTK 4 set to incur a steeper incline still.
2022-06-10 20:51:05	Vorpal	tirnanog: I added instructions for how to fix GTK4 programs on the wiki today
2022-06-10 20:51:10	Vorpal	since that was missing
2022-06-10 20:51:14	tirnanog	nice! I must take a look.
2022-06-10 20:51:16	wallabra	Surely there is an algorithm for that, right?
2022-06-10 20:51:26	Vorpal	tirnanog: font configuration -> troubleshooting iirc
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2022-06-10 20:51:44	wallabra	By "faster" I of course mean in the top N mirrors.
2022-06-10 20:51:47	Vorpal	tirnanog: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Font_configuration#Hinting_in_GTK4_programs 
2022-06-10 20:51:49	phrik	Title: Font configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-10 20:52:04	tirnanog	ah yes. gtk-hint-font-metrics.
2022-06-10 20:52:09	tirnanog	glad to see it in the wiki.
2022-06-10 20:52:23	Vorpal	tirnanog: I just hope the gtk devs don't remove it again
2022-06-10 20:52:26	tirnanog	it really is a night and day difference.
2022-06-10 20:52:27	tirnanog	yep :|
2022-06-10 20:52:42	Vorpal	I'm really trying to migrate from anything GTK/Gnome now
2022-06-10 20:54:16	Vorpal	hm I see only the first part of FREETYPE_PROPERTIES is documented on the wiki
2022-06-10 20:54:32	Vorpal	I don't remember what the two other parts do off the top of my head, or where I got it from
2022-06-10 20:54:43	Vorpal	some stackoverflow site back in the day when rendering broke I think?
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2022-06-10 20:56:03	Vorpal	aha: https://freetype.org/freetype2/docs/reference/ft2-properties.html
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2022-06-10 20:56:04	phrik	Title: Driver properties - FreeType-2.12.1 API Reference (at freetype.org)
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2022-06-10 21:01:09	Vorpal	can't find much docs about autofitter:warping=1, other than various mentions of autofitter
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2022-06-10 21:02:16	Vorpal	tirnanog: using truetype:interpreter-version=35 does have slight downsides, in that some of the newer fonts designed for modern freetype look worse though, just a fair warning. This is mostly a issue on some sites in browsers.
2022-06-10 21:02:37	Vorpal	unfortunately I don't believe this can be set per font
2022-06-10 21:02:43	tirnanog	Vorpal: no worries. I would never expect a free lunch, so to speak.
2022-06-10 21:03:35	Vorpal	I set FREETYPE_PROPERTIES in my .xprofile by the way
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2022-06-10 21:06:02	Vorpal	tirnanog: my fonts.conf, in case you find something useful in there https://0x0.st/oMGG.conf
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2022-06-10 21:06:33	tirnanog	thanks.
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2022-06-10 21:08:06	tirnanog	I was going to show you mine but the machine I'm logged in to has nothing particularly interesting in it. I think the one in which I conducted all my experiments is on my half-alive Thinkpad.
2022-06-10 21:08:32	Vorpal	tirnanog: oh I track my config files in git using chezmoi, look it up, really good
2022-06-10 21:08:40	tirnanog	oh, I've heard of that.
2022-06-10 21:08:41	Vorpal	supports templating per machine when needed and such
2022-06-10 21:08:45	tirnanog	I will then.
2022-06-10 21:08:57	Vorpal	tirnanog: also, good choice in laptops
2022-06-10 21:09:14	Vorpal	mouse > trackpoint > touchpad
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2022-06-10 21:09:36	Vorpal	oh and I guess trackballs are somewhere on the left side of that
2022-06-10 21:09:39	tirnanog	yes. and you can't go too far wrong as far as linux compatibility is concerned.
2022-06-10 21:09:39	Vorpal	sorry right
2022-06-10 21:10:00	Vorpal	(trackballs are weird)
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2022-06-10 21:12:35	Vorpal	tirnanog: I also wrote software to handle KDE configs with chezmoi, as those often contain a mix of settings and state (e.g. recently opened files, window positions): https://github.com/VorpalBlade/chezmoi_modify_manager
2022-06-10 21:12:53	Vorpal	useful for a few other programs, not *just* KDE, though it is the main offender
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2022-06-10 21:15:20	tirnanog	thank you again. I'll be sure to check that out. I don't use kde at present but the way things are going, that might change.
2022-06-10 21:17:44	Vorpal	tirnanog: I still use cinnamon on my work laptop because "#¤/& dual graphics with nvidia. It has lots of weird issues. But at least the Cinnamon lock screen doesn't hang on resume unlike the KDE.
2022-06-10 21:17:51	Vorpal	everywhere else I have switched to KDE
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2022-06-10 21:18:25	tirnanog	by the way, those signatures/annotations on your python functions are interesting. I don't follow python dev closely - is there some PEP for that?
2022-06-10 21:19:24	Vorpal	tirnanog: you mean @dataclass? Hm, Python 3.8 or 3.9 I think? Enum was a few versions before that. Yes there are PEPs, but I'd suggest looking at the docs instead, e.g. https://docs.python.org/3/library/dataclasses.html
2022-06-10 21:19:24	phrik	Title: dataclasses — Data Classes — Python 3.10.5 documentation (at docs.python.org)
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2022-06-10 21:19:38	tirnanog	ok
2022-06-10 21:19:41	Vorpal	as for decorators in general they have been around for a while
2022-06-10 21:19:51	Vorpal	I think even python 2.7 has them?
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2022-06-10 21:22:05	Vorpal	tirnanog: but yes, that file was an exercise in some modern python features as well. It needs 3.10 due to using the match statement.
2022-06-10 21:22:16	pschichtel	Hi everyone! Has anyone else have issues with pipewire since version 1:0.3.52-1 ? I reported https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/75013 while it was still in testing, but now it's in extra already. Can I somehow link that issue to the pipewire packages or should I report a new one?
2022-06-10 21:22:16	phrik	Title: FS#75013 : Microphone Audio stuttering (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-06-10 21:22:24	Vorpal	which worked really well, but means I can't run it on my raspberry pi for example
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2022-06-10 21:23:20	thurstylark	pschichtel: the way you link it to a package is by putting the package name in the title of the bug. I'll take care of it :)
2022-06-10 21:23:35	pschichtel	thurstylark thanks a lot
2022-06-10 21:23:44	Vorpal	it is strange to me that the reporter can't change the title. It is possible on github for example
2022-06-10 21:23:47	pschichtel	currently looking into reporting this upstream too
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2022-06-10 21:24:21	Namarrgon	next time you file a bug you should find the affected package on the website and click the 'add new bug' link, it will prefill the form
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2022-06-10 21:25:19	pschichtel	yep I know the feature, but at that point I didn't know which package it was and didn't have time to look into it
2022-06-10 21:26:55	thurstylark	also it will add the bug to the correct project. only the packages in the community repo are covered by the community packages project in fs
2022-06-10 21:27:09	thurstylark	(also cleaned up, so nbd)
2022-06-10 21:27:13	pschichtel	thanks
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2022-06-10 21:27:30	Namarrgon	Plan B is to harass the bugwrangler in #archlinux-bugs
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2022-06-10 21:29:00	⚡ 	thurstylark should get back to wrangling again...
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2022-06-10 21:38:00	hotm0n32	hi, i just reinstalled arch the other day, and i cant get caja or nemo to mount my other partitions/drives when i click on them, says permission denied. Any clue?
2022-06-10 21:39:06	Vorpal	hotm0n32: hm, udisks perhaps?
2022-06-10 21:39:19	Vorpal	are you using a login manager or just startx?
2022-06-10 21:39:27	Vorpal	that might affect permissions too
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2022-06-10 21:40:34	hotm0n32	login manager
2022-06-10 21:40:44	hotm0n32	i shouldve just done startx like i used to huh
2022-06-10 21:40:50	hotm0n32	gdm i believe
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2022-06-10 21:41:01	hotm0n32	i dont wanna use udisks to mount i wanna be able to click
2022-06-10 21:41:07	Vorpal	no, login manager should *make* it work
2022-06-10 21:41:27	thurstylark	the click to mount feature is done via udisks, so yes, you want udisks 
2022-06-10 21:41:31	Vorpal	and my understanding is that the file managers use udisks to do the mounting of usb disks etc
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2022-06-10 21:42:41	hotm0n32	yes i was just saying i dont want to type a udisk command to mount drives
2022-06-10 21:43:09	hotm0n32	these arent removable drives either, hard drives
2022-06-10 21:43:26	topcat001	Vorpal: txtsd: I use mutt with gmail and outlook in IMAP mode, using oauth. Very fast with little resource usage.
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2022-06-10 21:44:04	hotm0n32	brb i added my user to the storage group gonna restart x and see if that helped
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2022-06-10 21:46:29	hotm0n32	nope adding to storage didnt help
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2022-06-10 21:49:09	hotm0n32	im stuck
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2022-06-10 21:49:57	thurstylark	hotm0n32: what fs is on the partition you want to mount?
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2022-06-10 21:51:08	thurstylark	and can you get any output from nemo or caja about the failure?
2022-06-10 21:51:42	hotm0n32	unable to mount volume. Not authorized to perform operation
2022-06-10 21:51:49	hotm0n32	thats whatw caja says, nemo says bout same thing
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2022-06-10 21:52:04	thurstylark	is that like, a dialog box or something?
2022-06-10 21:52:06	hotm0n32	i was using thunar last install i ran
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2022-06-10 21:52:11	hotm0n32	yes dialog popup
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2022-06-10 21:52:31	thurstylark	can you run one of those in a terminal, trigger the error, and post the results to a paste service?
2022-06-10 21:53:16	hotm0n32	ahh
2022-06-10 21:53:18	hotm0n32	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/File_manager_functionality#NTFS_read/write_support
2022-06-10 21:53:19	phrik	Title: File manager functionality - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-10 21:53:24	hotm0n32	"Troubleshooting
2022-06-10 21:53:24	hotm0n32	"Not Authorized" when attempting to mount drives
2022-06-10 21:53:24	hotm0n32	File managers using udisks require a polkit authentication agent. See polkit#Authentication agents. "
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2022-06-10 21:55:09	thurstylark	ahh yup, that's the right direction :)
2022-06-10 21:55:58	hotm0n32	i installed mate-polkit
2022-06-10 21:56:02	hotm0n32	gonna restart x again
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2022-06-10 21:57:45	hotm0n32	back!
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2022-06-10 21:58:00	hotm0n32	yup, sure enough ihnstalling mate-polkit and restarting X did the trick!! thanks for the help guiys
2022-06-10 21:58:08	thurstylark	!next
2022-06-10 21:58:09	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2022-06-10 22:03:37	Vorpal	topcat001: interesting. Does the outlook support include calendar and address book sync?
2022-06-10 22:04:01	Vorpal	topcat001: I'm looking for a better option than tbsync for thunderbird for office365 for work
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2022-06-10 22:04:53	Vorpal	evolution is better but gets logged out every few days, and I have to re-recreate the account to make it work again, it doesn't actually work to reauthenticate
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2022-06-10 22:08:21	shadowless	well look at that, sway does have a log with 'sway -d'  the d stands for: durrrrrrr you should have read the man page there shadowless
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2022-06-10 22:10:34	Vorpal	shadowless: based on the name for their nvidia support (I think it was them?) I wouldn't be surprised if that was the official meaning of it :P
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2022-06-10 22:12:35	thurstylark	I mean... sway logs stuff on stdout/stderr normally, -d just enables debug logging to the same place
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2022-06-10 22:14:10	jenkins	can I use gdb to debug python in arch now? it always says "No debugging symbols found"
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2022-06-10 22:16:44	Vorpal	jenkins: I mean in theory you can. You could always use d to disassemble :P
2022-06-10 22:16:48	thurstylark	jenkins: there are more steps to get debug symbols https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debugging/Getting_traces#Package_names
2022-06-10 22:16:48	phrik	Title: Debugging/Getting traces - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-06-10 22:17:17	Vorpal	is there a list of packages that still lack debuginfod? Or ones that have it
2022-06-10 22:17:29	Vorpal	oh there is
2022-06-10 22:17:30	Vorpal	found it
2022-06-10 22:17:53	Vorpal	doesn't seem python is there yet
2022-06-10 22:18:00	jenkins	oh ok then
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2022-06-10 22:18:53	topcat001	Vorpal: both gmail and outlook support calendars, etc. through oauth.
2022-06-10 22:19:27	jenkins	Vorpal: wait what do you mean though? python is not in the list of unsupported packages?
2022-06-10 22:19:41	topcat001	mutt does not do calendar OOTB but there are ways, and Thunderbird will support it.
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2022-06-10 22:22:50	topcat001	Also at least with personal email oauth is quite easy to set up: https://gitlab.com/muttmua/mutt/-/blob/master/contrib/mutt_oauth2.py.README
2022-06-10 22:22:51	phrik	Title: contrib/mutt_oauth2.py.README · master · Mutt Project / mutt · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2022-06-10 22:23:28	topcat001	I'm really offtopic here because my mutt runs on OpenBSD so I'll shut up now :)
2022-06-10 22:23:32	Vorpal	jenkins: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/75023
2022-06-10 22:23:34	phrik	Title: FS#75023 : [python] Lacking debuginfod support (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-06-10 22:23:47	Vorpal	jenkins: not in the list of supported :(
2022-06-10 22:23:58	jenkins	I see
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2022-06-10 22:24:27	Vorpal	topcat001: I had issues with thunderbird calendar. If I accept a meeting invite via thunderbird I get duplicates in my calendar
2022-06-10 22:24:47	topcat001	I haven't used TB in a long time.
2022-06-10 22:24:47	thurstylark	you can still get the debug package anyways
2022-06-10 22:25:08	Vorpal	thurstylark: by rebuilding yourself, or is it actually available?
2022-06-10 22:25:18	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debugging/Getting_traces#Install_debug_packages
2022-06-10 22:25:19	phrik	Title: Debugging/Getting traces - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-10 22:25:28	thurstylark	there are mirrors that host them
2022-06-10 22:26:07	Vorpal	thurstylark: python should be in core-debug I believe. It isn't there
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2022-06-10 22:26:18	Vorpal	so...
2022-06-10 22:26:24	topcat001	for complicated stuff I just use the web, but mutt and calcurse is handy for quickly checking stuff (reading and relying to emails, etc. - if I cannot use vi I get frustrated).
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2022-06-10 22:26:47	thurstylark	ah in that case, yeah, you'd need to rebuild it
2022-06-10 22:27:07	Vorpal	filed a bug for it
2022-06-10 22:27:26	Vorpal	anyway I thought debuginfod should provide everything that were in the debug repos by now?
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2022-06-10 22:31:15	topcat001	I got into the oauth stuff so that I could have lightweight text mode access. If I have to run a GUI then I wouldn't bother with TB etc. and just use the web ui.
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2022-06-10 22:31:59	topcat001	Don't care about DE integration etc. Don't run a DE.
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2022-06-10 22:36:26	Foxboron	Vorpal: it does
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2022-06-11 10:00:03	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1458 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1457 normals)
2022-06-11 04:08:49	mpan	Answer the questions above.
2022-06-11 04:09:44	noobaroo	mpan, I'd rather not take advice from you. Tbh.
2022-06-11 04:10:02	mpan	dd does literally nothing here. Different write size may cause the error to not manifest itself, assuming that’s the only factor (I doubt that), but that is not fixing anything. dd has zero ways of affecting that in a predictable manner.
2022-06-11 04:10:09	mpan	Then why do you ask?
2022-06-11 04:10:33	omegatron	why not ?  he is right, there are usb flash drives which advertise a larger capacity than they actually have ..
2022-06-11 04:11:01	noobaroo	There are 1,442 people here. No offense, I just feel like you don't consider anything I say.
2022-06-11 04:11:20	mpan	I do. I just know that it is irreelvant.
2022-06-11 04:11:33	sheep	did you heck the hashes?
2022-06-11 04:11:36	sheep	*check
2022-06-11 04:11:41	mpan	It is either unrelated or doesn’t deny what I suggest.
2022-06-11 04:12:06	mpan	So can you finally answer the questions asked?
2022-06-11 04:12:32	noobaroo	No, but I should start doing that. The thing is that the problem has nothing to do with size. And that the problem is 100% correlated to transfer speed, in all cases except this most recent one.
2022-06-11 04:12:50	sim590	so since an update, amdgpu seems to crash my whole system when my screen comes back from sleep. 
2022-06-11 04:12:56	mpan	noobaroo: correlation is not causation.
2022-06-11 04:13:20	mpan	Yes, it is correlated, because the transfer speed is THE EFFECT of the very same thing that may be the cause your problems.
2022-06-11 04:13:38	noobaroo	(Most recently I compressed an archive directly to the USB storage, so the transfer speed was bottlenecked with a foreign factor)
2022-06-11 04:13:40	Namarrgon	sim590: there was someone else reporting a similar issue ~yesterday. can you reproduce it with the lts kernel?
2022-06-11 04:13:48	mpan	Which is irrelevant.
2022-06-11 04:14:26	mpan	Do you even understand what determines that speed?
2022-06-11 04:14:34	mpan	No, so please answer the questions.
2022-06-11 04:14:34	sim590	Namarrgon: Is that 5.18.1.alpha2 or something ? I know that my system went from alpha1 to alpha2 I think
2022-06-11 04:14:45	Namarrgon	sim590: depends on the distro
2022-06-11 04:14:53	sim590	The bug occured with alpha1. I just installed the latest alpha2
2022-06-11 04:14:57	sim590	I'm on archlinux
2022-06-11 04:15:04	Namarrgon	arch never had that version in the repos
2022-06-11 04:15:20	sim590	But I just rebooted in Windows to play a game (classic), so I can't confirm the version.
2022-06-11 04:15:35	Namarrgon	come back when you can
2022-06-11 04:15:38	mpan	!bail
2022-06-11 04:15:39	phrik	Looks like mpan is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-06-11 04:15:42	sim590	OK!
2022-06-11 04:15:48	mpan	omegatron: NVM, I failed to recognize the well known troll.
2022-06-11 04:15:58	omegatron	=D
2022-06-11 04:28:10	DeepDayze	oh no another one?
2022-06-11 04:28:56	DeepDayze	Seems there's trolls in even other channels...
2022-06-11 04:40:31	noobaroo	!paste
2022-06-11 04:40:31	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-06-11 04:54:22	bq	Anyone know off the top of their head how I can avoid the archlinux cloud image from running reflector and pacman-key init on first boot?
2022-06-11 04:55:05	thurstylark	bq: I mean, there are ways, but why do you need that?
2022-06-11 04:55:13	bq	machine has no internet connection
2022-06-11 04:55:17	bq	So it just delays boot
2022-06-11 04:55:46	thurstylark	what cloud image are you talking about?
2022-06-11 04:55:53	bq	the official qcow
2022-06-11 04:56:20	bq	I tried sneaking some systemctl disable --now into my cloud-init but it's not taking, or isn't early enough
2022-06-11 04:56:28	Scimmia	pacman-key init isn't exactly optional
2022-06-11 04:56:36	Scimmia	and doesn't require an internet connection
2022-06-11 04:56:48	⚡ 	bq double checks the name of the service
2022-06-11 04:57:23	bq	you're right, that's just offline
2022-06-11 04:57:31	ishitatsuyuki	it probably strips out pacman keyring for space reasons
2022-06-11 04:57:39	thurstylark	you mean the vagrant image?
2022-06-11 04:57:49	thurstylark	ishitatsuyuki: it's for security reasons, but yes, it's intentional
2022-06-11 04:57:57	ishitatsuyuki	hm, I see
2022-06-11 04:57:57	Scimmia	not space reasons, you need a brand new, unique master key
2022-06-11 04:58:01	ishitatsuyuki	ah
2022-06-11 04:58:02	thurstylark	^
2022-06-11 04:58:05	bq	Scimmia, indeed
2022-06-11 04:58:32	bq	thurstylark, whichever one is named as Arch-Linux-x86_64-cloudimg-20211001.0.qcow2
2022-06-11 04:58:37	bq	not sure if vagrant or not
2022-06-11 04:58:56	thurstylark	how do you acquire the image
2022-06-11 04:59:09	bq	it's an input to the system at the moment
2022-06-11 04:59:15	bq	stored locally and pushed into libvirt
2022-06-11 04:59:26	thurstylark	what?
2022-06-11 04:59:37	bq	I wget it and store it locally
2022-06-11 04:59:37	thurstylark	I'm trying to figure out where you got it in the first place
2022-06-11 04:59:40	bq	oh
2022-06-11 04:59:45	bq	https://geo.mirror.pkgbuild.com/images/
2022-06-11 04:59:46	phrik	Title: Index of /images/ (at geo.mirror.pkgbuild.com)
2022-06-11 05:00:02	bq	I thought you were going down the "you should just allow an internet connection during boot" line of thought :)
2022-06-11 05:00:24	bq	they're maintained here https://github.com/archlinux/arch-boxes
2022-06-11 05:00:43	thurstylark	I mean, that would be a good idea, but there are other reasons to need to boot into a live system that don't include downloading things...
2022-06-11 05:00:57	thurstylark	while we're on the subject, what is your end goal with this
2022-06-11 05:01:22	bq	from-code development environment that I want as isolated as posible
2022-06-11 05:02:08	bq	Only communication in and out of the machine is going to be a shared volume, and the console
2022-06-11 05:02:15	thurstylark	why not build your own image?
2022-06-11 05:02:18	Hello71	which is why you're running it on the cloud?
2022-06-11 05:02:25	thurstylark	then it will or won't do anything you want it to 
2022-06-11 05:02:31	bq	Hello71, It's not in the cloud. It's under libvirt.
2022-06-11 05:02:42	bq	thurstylark, Yeah it's looking that way isn't it
2022-06-11 05:02:56	thurstylark	you're still trusting someone else to build you an image and not slip something into it
2022-06-11 05:03:04	thurstylark	not a very isolated approach imo
2022-06-11 05:03:07	bq	sure. I trust arch devs
2022-06-11 05:03:10	bq	I didn't expect quite this much magic from an arch cloud image is all
2022-06-11 05:03:26	bq	I get that reflector and such is dang useful for an internet-connected cloud application
2022-06-11 05:03:50	thurstylark	this is the same behavior you get from the install iso too...
2022-06-11 05:04:14	bq	thurstylark, interesting. I've never noticed delays there. I wonder if I've messed up turning the network off
2022-06-11 05:05:55	bq	Regarding isolation and trust, it's more that I don't trust the toolchain I'm installing into the machine (closed source vendor software)
2022-06-11 05:06:13	bq	not that I need to guarantee integrity of build output
2022-06-11 05:06:24	noobaroo	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13349475
2022-06-11 05:06:25	phrik	Title: Most of the time it's much better (as in, faster) to just use cat (or pv, to get... | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com)
2022-06-11 05:06:41	noobaroo	Anyone know anything about this? ^
2022-06-11 05:06:56	bq	noobaroo, dead horse flogging?
2022-06-11 05:07:37	noobaroo	More specifically: "cat will stream the file rather than what dd does, i.e. read block, write block, read block, write block and so on."
2022-06-11 05:07:59	noobaroo	bq, not sure what that is
2022-06-11 05:08:19	bq	that sucks
2022-06-11 05:08:34	thurstylark	noobaroo: the first comment on that same post refutes that, though... 
2022-06-11 05:09:51	The_Seeker	just nominate the block size with dd and you're golden, e.g. bs=4M
2022-06-11 05:10:18	bq	imagine caring which if the dozen ways to skin a cat you use
2022-06-11 05:10:44	thurstylark	If you want help with your thing, then just stick to the issue at hand. if you're looking to just argue and be right, then there are other places you can go
2022-06-11 05:12:21	noobaroo	thurstylark, I'm curious about the second half of that first comment. What exactly are these "automations" and "optimizations"
2022-06-11 05:12:49	bq	You should ask the author.
2022-06-11 05:13:22	noobaroo	There is some difference in the way files are transferred between dd and cp/cat/pv. That makes dd have 100% integrity rate, and everything else is just pathetic.
2022-06-11 05:15:07	noobaroo	This is just my experience. Good luck arguing with me about my success rate history. If you win this argument, well, physics has been defined to say the least in probably more ways that I can count
2022-06-11 05:15:28	maplefinger	I love physics
2022-06-11 05:15:29	thurstylark	!bail
2022-06-11 05:15:30	phrik	Looks like thurstylark is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-06-11 05:15:51	maplefinger	What's your success rate history?
2022-06-11 05:16:02	noobaroo	Scroll up 
2022-06-11 05:16:13	bq	this one is cute, can we keep him
2022-06-11 05:16:19	maplefinger	I just got here
2022-06-11 05:16:35	noobaroo	TL;DR something funky is going on with my USB operations
2022-06-11 05:17:17	maplefinger	oh wild you gonna debug USB drivers?
2022-06-11 05:17:42	maplefinger	I got into the spec long time ago, turned into way too much to handle so I just HID'd it
2022-06-11 05:18:26	noobaroo	I'm not that smart lol
2022-06-11 05:19:01	bq	thurstylark, Ah. I hadn't disabled internet well enough, so it was timing out instead of getting a faster "no route to network". Disabled network better now and it boots faster
2022-06-11 05:19:26	bq	noobaroo, it sounds like you are
2022-06-11 05:19:33	noobaroo	Basically this is whats happening: pv transfers at 75+MB/s, files always turn out corrupt. dd transfers at 7-12MB/s, files are always perfect.
2022-06-11 05:20:48	noobaroo	cp can be either or, but a lot of times I would say its acting like PV. doesn't have a meter though so I can't say the number for sure
2022-06-11 05:21:27	thurstylark	bq: Ahh, yeah that makes sense. the reflector service waits until after network-online.target and nss-lookup.target are reached before starting, so having an active but unroutable network interface sounds like the perfect corner case to get stuck in :P
2022-06-11 05:21:27	noobaroo	It's getting to be honestly ridiculous like 90% of my files are corrupted
2022-06-11 05:22:01	ptolemy	\b 11
2022-06-11 05:22:02	bq	thurstylark, yeah unfortunately the tool this VM is for needs at least a dummy interface for tying licence to MAC address 
2022-06-11 05:22:27	bq	noobaroo, switch to Windows
2022-06-11 05:23:29	thurstylark	bq: you could just mask reflector.service from the kernel command line, but might not be the easiest change to implement
2022-06-11 05:23:41	bq	ooo good point
2022-06-11 05:24:09	bq	I forgot I could mask from kernel cmd line. Not sure if I have enough reach from libvirt to fiddle with that since I'm starting from a qcow instead of separate kernel+rootfs
2022-06-11 05:25:30	noobaroo	bq, I haven't used a Windows machine for more than 5 minutes at a time (that I can remember) in over 10 years... I'm 22 now, so for me Windows is like a distant part of my childhood 
2022-06-11 05:25:41	noobaroo	before I had the power to choose 
2022-06-11 05:26:04	bq	A lot of kids feel that way about religion
2022-06-11 05:26:23	noobaroo	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13350727 
2022-06-11 05:26:24	phrik	Title: *> So: > cat foobar.img > /dev/sdi > will stream the file rather than what dd do... | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com)
2022-06-11 05:27:04	noobaroo	if anyone knows what these "optimizations" are that cat makes use of, I'm a little lost 
2022-06-11 05:27:35	bq	I think you should look at the kernel source
2022-06-11 05:27:42	noobaroo	I'm trying to read the Github page he linked but it's all alien to me
2022-06-11 05:28:01	bq	Do you have enough money to attend my fake university so you can learn?
2022-06-11 05:28:10	maplefinger	Have you compared good and corrupt data?
2022-06-11 05:28:14	noobaroo	Nope 
2022-06-11 05:28:15	maplefinger	in what way is it corrupted
2022-06-11 05:28:30	bq	you should print it out on paper so you can use a highlighter to see the different bytes
2022-06-11 05:28:31	Alabama_Al	sdf
2022-06-11 05:28:34	bq	tactility helps
2022-06-11 05:28:38	maplefinger	would be hilarious if it was endian
2022-06-11 05:28:55	bq	or EBCDIC
2022-06-11 05:29:13	bq	"I thought conv=ebcidic made it go faster"
2022-06-11 05:29:28	bq	would help if I could spell
2022-06-11 05:29:35	maplefinger	reminds me of Big Bird singing the alphabet as a phonetic
2022-06-11 05:29:58	noobaroo	maplefinger, when I write Fedora ISO to usb with pv it goes super quickly at 75MB or higher /s . The image is bootable, but after the grub menu its a dud
2022-06-11 05:30:19	bq	you ever considered running sync?
2022-06-11 05:30:22	maplefinger	that sounds like most of the data is good/usable but ends are burnt
2022-06-11 05:30:35	noobaroo	Failed to load kernel or failed to load rootfs or whatever. What is that special fs used for live media called? Cant remember atm. 
2022-06-11 05:30:43	maplefinger	do you crc check?
2022-06-11 05:31:00	bq	y'all aint syncing your disk
2022-06-11 05:31:23	noobaroo	Is it possible to crc check an entire device like /dev/sda?
2022-06-11 05:31:31	noobaroo	or at least a partition?
2022-06-11 05:31:34	bq	helps to ask the kernel to make sure the data you wanted written to disk is flushed to disk before taking it out
2022-06-11 05:31:37	maplefinger	y'all ain't s***ing your di*k
2022-06-11 05:31:38	bq	lol
2022-06-11 05:31:55	maplefinger	noobaroo no, I said CRC check the ISO
2022-06-11 05:32:05	maplefinger	you make the crc, copy it, then run the crc check
2022-06-11 05:32:16	noobaroo	the ISO is good 
2022-06-11 05:32:16	maplefinger	compare the copy to the orig.
2022-06-11 05:32:31	maplefinger	not according to your previous statement
2022-06-11 05:32:54	bq	I guess pv puts more of an orange tang on bytes it writes which Fedora doesn't appreciate
2022-06-11 05:32:55	noobaroo	bq, is there a command for this?
2022-06-11 05:33:01	bq	noobaroo, literally `sync`
2022-06-11 05:33:25	noobaroo	Thanks
2022-06-11 05:34:17	maplefinger	use orange tang to sync the pync
2022-06-11 05:34:49	noobaroo	The USB in question is 3.2. I have several USBs that are this brand, they arent really mine, they are my families, but I mostly use them a lot. Nobody else has issues with them
2022-06-11 05:35:05	noobaroo	And I only have issues with them when the transfer speed goes lightning fast
2022-06-11 05:35:19	bq	fast transfer implies buffering
2022-06-11 05:35:39	bq	i.e. kernel's caching/buffering the writes 
2022-06-11 05:35:48	noobaroo	Google says USB 3.2 transfer speed is very high but I know that's more of a limit, and doesn't apply to every device
2022-06-11 05:36:04	noobaroo	What transfer speeds do you guys get with powerless tiny usb thumb drives?
2022-06-11 05:36:14	bq	megabytes per second
2022-06-11 05:36:37	noobaroo	How much?
2022-06-11 05:36:41	bq	If you're getting 70 with pv and only 7 with dd then it's likely the kernel is essentially promising to write stuff out at some point later with the apparently-faster transfer
2022-06-11 05:37:20	bq	it's likely the flash is bottlenecked to 7 MB/s or so, and once pv finishes, the kernel still has outstanding primises to write shit out to flash
2022-06-11 05:37:23	bq	promises*
2022-06-11 05:37:58	bq	it happens at the filesystem level (hence unmounting before removal) and it also happens at the block device level, hence sync
2022-06-11 05:39:11	noobaroo	How would you suggest I fix this problem?
2022-06-11 05:39:20	noobaroo	Just making sure to use "sync" command?
2022-06-11 05:39:21	bq	run sync after burning stuff out to a disk
2022-06-11 05:39:32	noobaroo	okay, thank you 
2022-06-11 05:50:56	noobaroo	How many MB/s is average for a "ultra" level 7zip compression on modern hardware? I know this a wildcard, but I'm just wondering if it's or more or less than about 10MB/s
2022-06-11 05:51:28	bq	doesn't sound unreasonable
2022-06-11 05:51:41	noobaroo	http://0x0.st/oMkb.txt
2022-06-11 05:52:49	noobaroo	I used the 7za command to write directly to the mounted USB. It should have been bottlenecked by a large margin
2022-06-11 05:53:05	noobaroo	Transfer speed should have been bottlenecked * 
2022-06-11 05:53:52	noobaroo	But when it was all done and after safely removing with dolphin in KDE, I still have a corrupt archive
2022-06-11 05:54:46	noobaroo	From now on I will always create archives locally and copy them to USB after, and compare hashes, before I delete the local copy. I dont trust this USB funkery 
2022-06-11 05:59:17	maplefinger	have any screenshots?
2022-06-11 06:00:28	noobaroo	Of?
2022-06-11 06:00:40	maplefinger	what you're describing
2022-06-11 06:01:37	noobaroo	I'm going to start recording notes of all the details. Which port, exactly which usb stick (3 look the same), which file operation
2022-06-11 06:01:58	noobaroo	I have 4 USB 2.0 ports and 2 USB 4.0 ports 
2022-06-11 06:02:00	maplefinger	don't you have like a file comparison screenshot
2022-06-11 06:02:18	maplefinger	where you show both files on source and dest drive
2022-06-11 06:02:24	maplefinger	and their properties
2022-06-11 06:03:09	noobaroo	I created an archive of my root internal drive to a 64 GB usb thumb drive 
2022-06-11 06:03:14	noobaroo	There was no local copy 
2022-06-11 06:03:45	noobaroo	And I already deleted the archive from the USB. There was nothing I could do for it
2022-06-11 06:03:47	maplefinger	and it's now corrupt?
2022-06-11 06:04:14	maplefinger	okay so why did you think I was asking you for a screencap of already deleted files?
2022-06-11 06:04:41	maplefinger	just post file a, drive a, file copy b, drive b
2022-06-11 06:05:12	noobaroo	75MB/s is faster than USB 2.0 can handle so it's interesting if I get those speeds from USB 2.0 ports. bq is definitely right that some kernel buffering is taking place 
2022-06-11 06:06:44	bq	if only we had solved that
2022-06-11 06:07:25	maplefinger	noobaroo are you sure you're not just making this up
2022-06-11 06:08:05	noobaroo	I'm ignoring that
2022-06-11 06:08:47	maplefinger	you're ignoring the solutions posted here, and repeating the problem
2022-06-11 06:09:05	bq	nice going
2022-06-11 06:09:18	bq	you finally did if
2022-06-11 06:09:20	bq	it*
2022-06-11 06:25:52	kulak	I can't figure out which package triggered this dependency and for the life of me I have no idea which one to pick:  https://termbin.com/33292
2022-06-11 06:27:14	sheep	those look like language codes
2022-06-11 06:27:47	slimbo	tesseract is an ocr engine, iirc
2022-06-11 06:27:54	bq	according to https://archlinux.org/packages/community/any/tesseract-data-eng/ this is only required by tesseract or python-pytesseract
2022-06-11 06:27:55	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - tesseract-data-eng 2:4.1.0-3 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2022-06-11 06:28:25	bq	at least within the bounds of the official repos
2022-06-11 06:29:08	kulak	thanks
2022-06-11 06:37:23	kulak	well, I think it is a new dependency.  I have emby-server and tesseract-data-eng: https://termbin.com/y3oj
2022-06-11 06:42:41	kulak	I used `pacman -Qi tesseract` and `pacman -Qi tesseract-data-eng` and it seems there is a circular dependency between these packages on "Required By" and depends on or optional deps.
2022-06-11 06:43:52	bq	They depend on each other yeah
2022-06-11 06:43:55	bq	is that an issue?
2022-06-11 06:44:17	kulak	I was not aware it was possible.
2022-06-11 06:44:20	bq	heh
2022-06-11 06:44:41	bq	it's possible but is an edge case, since normally such things might be packaged together
2022-06-11 06:44:54	kulak	thanks, so there is no issue :)
2022-06-11 07:20:58	lllf	Is there a way to run valgrind within an internet connection? Valgrind now uses `debuginfod` to load debug symbols over the internet and won't run if there is no internet connection.
2022-06-11 07:21:11	lllf	Is there a way to install glibc debug symbols manually without a download?
2022-06-11 07:21:32	lllf	without* an internet connection
2022-06-11 08:06:31	Edu4rdSHL	ishan, nothing works on waylad
2022-06-11 08:07:04	Edu4rdSHL	h4rd3n3d, pacman -S -h (search for overwrite)
2022-06-11 08:11:25	Edu4rdSHL	h4rd3n3d, that is not how it should be used. pacman -S umbrello --overwrite /usr/share/locale/*
2022-06-11 08:15:40	Edu4rdSHL	--overwrite='/usr/share/locale/*'
2022-06-11 08:17:41	Edu4rdSHL	Well, because that's another path
2022-06-11 08:17:55	Edu4rdSHL	That's why you always pos THE FULL logs.
2022-06-11 08:18:04	Edu4rdSHL	--overwrite='*'
2022-06-11 09:00:59	ishan	Edu4rdSHL: Soon it will work I hope 
2022-06-11 09:01:18	ishan	tired of X11. I tried wayland on my homelab running a 5600G and it's so nice 
2022-06-11 09:27:22	Julius_Longmind	Hi Guys!
2022-06-11 09:27:57	Julius_Longmind	I have just updated samba to 4.16.1 and since I'm not able to start the service.
2022-06-11 09:28:39	Julius_Longmind	Jun 11 09:14:49 mycl-01 samba[345]:   ldb: WARNING: Module [samba_dsdb] not found - do you need to set LDB_MODULES_PATH?
2022-06-11 09:29:49	Julius_Longmind	With starting manually when the LDB_MODULES_PATH is set, then I get this error:
2022-06-11 09:30:09	Julius_Longmind	Jun 11 09:24:52 mycl-01 samba[426]:   exit_daemon: daemon failed to start: Samba failed to prime database, error code 22
2022-06-11 09:35:24	bolnav[m]	Hello
2022-06-11 09:35:29	bolnav[m]	Why does `mount /dev/vda /mnt ; cp -ax / /mnt` fail on the iso 2022.06 with `cp: cannot create directory '/mnt/': No such file or directory` ? It worked in 2022.03. It is from the offline install guide Offline_installation#Install_the_archiso_to_the_new_root
2022-06-11 09:37:42	Julius_Longmind	ldb: module version mismatch in ../../source4/dsdb/samdb/ldb_modules/acl.c : ldb_version=2.5.1 module_version=2.5.0
2022-06-11 09:37:59	Julius_Longmind	I think this is the source of the problem.
2022-06-11 09:48:29	slimbo	bolnav[m]: did you make the /mnt director ? looks like it doesn't exist
2022-06-11 09:48:41	slimbo	s/director/directory
2022-06-11 09:52:58	GuiToris	hello, I'm kind of lost with configuring mbsync with authmech xoauth2
2022-06-11 09:53:09	GuiToris	what is this?
2022-06-11 09:53:19	GuiToris	mutt_oauth2.py
2022-06-11 09:53:32	GuiToris	the description says: download it and make it executable
2022-06-11 09:53:59	GuiToris	unfortunately, this cannot be found on AUR
2022-06-11 09:54:12	GuiToris	https://gitlab.com/muttmua/mutt/-/blob/master/contrib/mutt_oauth2.py
2022-06-11 09:54:13	phrik	Title: contrib/mutt_oauth2.py · master · Mutt Project / mutt · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2022-06-11 09:54:44	GuiToris	what am I supposed to do with this? Do I have to create a PKGBUILD?
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2022-06-11 10:07:05	slimbo	GuiToris: in case you haven't read it, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Isync#Using_XOAUTH2
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2022-06-11 12:32:23	Cknight70	Hi, I'm trying to clear the readonly/hybernation status on an ntfs partition. All help I can find from internet searches seem to bring up info about ntfs-3g or ntfsfix with info that doesn't seem to help. Anyone know how I can clear this with a Arch USB?
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2022-06-11 12:33:13	teraflops	the fix is disabling fast boot on windows side, isn't it?
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2022-06-11 12:34:54	Cknight70	Of course, but the computer is not booting at all into windows
2022-06-11 12:36:01	MrElendig	boot a windows install image and fix it from there
2022-06-11 12:36:17	MrElendig	or a windows vm and pass in the disk
2022-06-11 12:36:45	MrElendig	and if you don't have a windows machine available: stop using ntfs
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2022-06-11 12:39:59	Cknight70	do you happen to know what tool to use with a windows recovery usb?
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2022-06-11 12:59:41	MacGyver	Cknight70: *Why* are you trying to clear the readonly status?
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2022-06-11 13:00:50	Cknight70	My family member's pc with only windows will not boot, even in safe mode. it shows a blank screen when trying. Trying to "refresh" windows (as in replace all windows files with windows installation cd files without re-formatting) failed as well.
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2022-06-11 13:01:33	MacGyver	It's odd you'd have a read-only status if the last thing that happened to that partition was done by a windows installer, not the installed and booted system.
2022-06-11 13:02:08	Cknight70	I believe the windows installer could not copy windows files over because of the hybernation lock
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2022-06-11 13:03:28	Cknight70	if I can't remove the lock, I will have to buy another disk to backup the files and re-install
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2022-06-11 13:05:49	MacGyver	Do you have any *other* windows machine?
2022-06-11 13:06:26	Cknight70	I do
2022-06-11 13:06:49	MacGyver	Then I'd suggest trying to hook up this disk as a non-boot disk to that machine and seeing what you can do from there.
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2022-06-11 13:09:41	Cknight70	Right now my plan is to install Ubuntu 18.04 onto a live usb, since all the stack exchange users seem to be able to use ntfsfix with that
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2022-06-11 14:41:57	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-06-11 14:57:54	Scimmia	h4rd3n3d: reading the man page would be a good start
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2022-06-11 15:07:09	plitter	I've just installed arch linux on a new Dell laptop, with grub. And when I'm exiting the chroot and rebooting it mounts the root, but can't find the /sbin/init
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2022-06-11 15:07:42	Namarrgon	do you get a kernel panic or end up in the initramfs shell?
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2022-06-11 15:08:30	plitter	I've checked to see that /etc/fstab is using the correct root and checked grub.cfg. Also checked that /sbin/init is found when I'm in the chroot
2022-06-11 15:08:50	Namarrgon	fstab isn't used in the initramfs or earlier
2022-06-11 15:08:51	plitter	Namarrgon: it is a shell, but it is limited...
2022-06-11 15:08:55	Namarrgon	did you split out /usr to a separate filesystem?
2022-06-11 15:08:59	plitter	yes
2022-06-11 15:09:08	plitter	seperate partition
2022-06-11 15:09:09	Namarrgon	guess where your init is?
2022-06-11 15:09:38	plitter	I had a feeling, but usr doesn't have /sbin/init
2022-06-11 15:09:55	plitter	I mean it isn't in the /usr
2022-06-11 15:10:05	Namarrgon	ls -l /sbin/init
2022-06-11 15:10:08	Scimmia	it is when /sbin is a symlink
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2022-06-11 15:11:07	plitter	ls -l /sbin/init -> ../lib/systemd/systemd
2022-06-11 15:11:12	evsiz	Hello, do i have to give proof that i use arch linux to use this channel ?
2022-06-11 15:11:47	Namarrgon	plitter: there's an mkinitcpio hook that mounts /usr in the initramfs before switch_root but i question the usefulness of splitting out /usr 
2022-06-11 15:12:05	Namarrgon	evsiz: we support only arch
2022-06-11 15:12:47	Namarrgon	if your distro has its own channel or forum then ask there. if the distro doesn't have a community then you should reconsider your choice.
2022-06-11 15:12:59	plitter	fair, I did it on the old laptop, so I was "using the same setup". I don't have a real reason that I can recall at least
2022-06-11 15:13:27	plitter	I'll merge usr back into root
2022-06-11 15:13:29	Namarrgon	plitter: it only complicates the setup without gain
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2022-06-11 15:13:54	evsiz	Namarrgon, i understand i can get help here for problems related to my arch linux system. i am asking do i have to give proof that i use arch linux to here for using this channel.
2022-06-11 15:14:29	Namarrgon	evsiz: not in general but if you lie to the community you'll get kicked out
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2022-06-11 15:17:39	evsiz	that is nice, at telegram group admin wanted proof that i use arch via cat command, i didnt give and he kicked me with the reason that i lie. i just wanted to know if i ll get forced to do smilar things here with no reason. hello everyone, have a nice day ^^
2022-06-11 15:17:55	plitter	Namarrgon: thanks
2022-06-11 15:18:23	Namarrgon	evsiz: well, if it becomes obvious that you have no idea how your system is put together or that you are overwhelmed by it then people will question how you managed to install it
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2022-06-11 15:19:58	evsiz	that wasnt the case. he saw me at manjaro group, i guess that was the reason he suspected. btw even thought i can use arch install, i didnt use it i used ezarch to install my system
2022-06-11 15:20:50	Namarrgon	we don't support third-party installers either
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2022-06-11 15:22:51	evsiz	i didnt know that. sorry for taking your time. im new at irc, so if i just leave here will my name stay at list ?
2022-06-11 15:23:25	Namarrgon	you are welcome to stay here but we don't support whatever you installed via ezarch
2022-06-11 15:24:38	evsiz	ahh, it is just scrips to install arch, so will i get support ?
2022-06-11 15:25:00	Namarrgon	"Ezarcher Linux is a full featured Arch Linux desktop. Several ISOs are provided with various desktops. " that's more of a spin than "just" a script
2022-06-11 15:25:00	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-11 15:25:19	Namarrgon	so, "no, not supported"
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2022-06-11 15:26:03	Namarrgon	if you want to use arch then follow the official guide, people will help you with the parts you're uncertain about
2022-06-11 15:26:04	evsiz	h4rd3n3d, i tried it actually but there was something missing and i dont know which packages to fill those gaps actually, like for using "sudo".
2022-06-11 15:26:31	Namarrgon	that would have been a question we could have helped you with 
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2022-06-11 15:29:02	evsiz	i see. is it okay to ask about arch linux on virtual machine ?
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2022-06-11 15:29:28	Namarrgon	the same rules apply, it has to be actual arch, vm or not
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2022-06-11 15:30:00	evsiz	okay, thanks. i am staying :). thanks for answering this much questions in a row :)
2022-06-11 15:30:19	evsiz	i hope i didnt bother anyone
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2022-06-11 15:31:19	mingdao	evsiz: Do you have access to a terminal on your Arch installed system?
2022-06-11 15:31:26	evsiz	yes
2022-06-11 15:31:40	evsiz	i use it very nicely ^^ i like arch really :D
2022-06-11 15:31:47	mingdao	evsiz: Type or copy and paste this command then give us the link, to help us understand what you have:   hostnamectl status | curl -n -F 'f:1=<-' http://ix.io
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2022-06-11 15:33:44	evsiz	http://ix.io/3ZUa
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2022-06-11 15:34:53	shadowfax	hello. How wise is enabling the 'sudo without  password prompts on each use' option from a security perspective?
2022-06-11 15:35:01	dignissimus[m]	Bringing this up again: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-boxes/-/issues/806
2022-06-11 15:35:02	dignissimus[m]	I was able to get gnome-boxes to work by downgrading libvirt
2022-06-11 15:35:03	phrik	Title: Stuck in a Allocating ressources creating vm (#806) · Issues · GNOME / GNOME Boxes · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
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2022-06-11 15:35:29	dignissimus[m]	Do you guys think there's an issue with libvirt?
2022-06-11 15:35:43	dignissimus[m]	Or something else
2022-06-11 15:36:45	Scimmia	shadowfax: what option is that?
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2022-06-11 15:37:34	evsiz	brb, 10-30 min
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2022-06-11 15:40:17	shadowfax	Scimmia '%wheel ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL' in the sudoers file
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2022-06-11 15:40:58	shadowfax	h4rd3n3d err... no? I've enabled it at the moment.
2022-06-11 15:41:28	Scimmia	shadowfax: so you're only talking about the wheel group
2022-06-11 15:41:38	shadowfax	yeah
2022-06-11 15:41:49	Scimmia	that should be fine in most cases
2022-06-11 15:41:55	shadowfax	I'm the only user
2022-06-11 15:42:02	shadowfax	It's a personal laptop
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2022-06-11 15:45:49	Gagis	it just mean that the admin user doesnt need to type in the password when invoking sudo privileges, which saves some time and effort
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2022-06-11 15:47:11	Namarrgon	you could have used the username instead of a group here, in case you want more wheel users in the future but without full, passwordless, root access
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2022-06-11 16:50:46	chewing_bever	it does yeah, those srdir/pkgdir errors you can usually ignore tho
2022-06-11 16:51:05	chewing_bever	didn't manage to build it cuz of the aur dep, not really on an internet connection where i can pull in a lot of deps rn
2022-06-11 16:51:40	chewing_bever	usually i just check whether the resulting pkg directory looks right and if so, you can ignore those warnings, i get those as well sometimes
2022-06-11 16:52:40	Namarrgon	did you see the python packaging-guidelines on the wiki?
2022-06-11 16:53:00	Dreamer3	nope, i just went off of python-evdev in main arch as an example
2022-06-11 16:53:21	Dreamer3	looking now
2022-06-11 16:53:55	Dreamer3	it's not really a library though, it provides a binary server so the python- prefix dosen't seem right?
2022-06-11 16:56:58	Namarrgon	right
2022-06-11 17:02:39	Dreamer3	hmmm, when using --no-isolation the package name is UNKNOWN fo some reason
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2022-06-11 17:24:08	spundun	!paste
2022-06-11 17:24:09	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-06-11 17:28:34	spundun	Hi all, not sure if I was connected when I sent my previous message.
2022-06-11 17:28:38	spundun	https://gist.github.com/spundun/0fefb599352ef0082883512ce9a4c5bd
2022-06-11 17:28:55	spundun	That's a patch to add a new vulkan driver to the mesa packages
2022-06-11 17:28:59	jclsn	I wonder: Do the Arch Wiki and AUR run on servers running Arch? ^^
2022-06-11 17:29:06	spundun	how should I submit that patch?
2022-06-11 17:29:19	spundun	Should I submit as a bug?
2022-06-11 17:31:21	Namarrgon	spundun: file a "feature request" against mesa/lib32-mesa and attach your patch
2022-06-11 17:32:06	Namarrgon	jclsn: yes
2022-06-11 17:36:07	spundun	Thanks @Namarrgon
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2022-06-11 18:27:24	michelesr	font rendering is ugly (blurry) on GTK4 apps in my setup, do you know what might be the problem? I can share a screenshoot but not sure what's the best way 
2022-06-11 18:28:04	michelesr	e.g. gtk3-demo and gtk2-demo both look fine, but gtk4-demo is all blurry
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2022-06-11 18:30:16	michelesr	it's probably this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Font_configuration#Hinting_in_GTK4_programs
2022-06-11 18:30:17	phrik	Title: Font configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-11 18:30:21	michelesr	I should have RTFM, sorry
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2022-06-11 18:48:20	kelnoky	I booted to win10 for the first time in months and upon booting back to Linux my Xorg won't start. I login, enter 'startx', see no errors but everything freezes. I also can't switch to a different tty. This is what it looks like: https://imgur.com/a/Ly5JQUn
2022-06-11 18:48:20	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
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2022-06-11 18:52:31	Namarrgon	you don't happen to have a recent-ish intel cpu and an nvidia gpu?
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2022-06-11 19:18:14	Reid	so, I'll get straight to the point, got some notif server weirdness going on, installed Sway, that would always start Mako as the notif server, now I installed Plasma on top and dbus keeps starting up Mako instead of Plasma's notif server, anyone know how to fix that?
2022-06-11 19:20:13	qwerty	does anyone know the name of the default kbd font used by console? located at /usr/share/kbd/default8x16.psfu.gz
2022-06-11 19:20:39	Reid	if you mean the font used in TTYs, that's the same font used on DOS
2022-06-11 19:20:57	Namarrgon	zgrep -i font /proc/config.gz
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2022-06-11 19:33:18	qwerty	yeah the font that's used in the TTYs, 
2022-06-11 19:33:49	qwerty	Namarrgon: thanks but this doesn't really give me the name of the font
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2022-06-11 19:34:51	omegatron	if it's the same as used on DOS, then maybe ancient microsoft documentation does name it somewhere ?  archive.org  could help in that matter ..
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2022-06-11 19:35:23	Namarrgon	qwerty: what did it return?
2022-06-11 19:35:43	Namarrgon	the kernel is using the built-in fonts unless you override them with e.g. setfont
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2022-06-11 19:37:18	qwerty	Namarrgon: http://0x0.st/oMR8.txt
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2022-06-11 19:37:58	gfidente	hi everyone, had a stupid question regarding emacs-nox package
2022-06-11 19:38:28	gfidente	from a while it appears to be installing some .desktop file which it wasn't before and it's not expected I believe
2022-06-11 19:38:35	gfidente	did anyone report this already?
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2022-06-11 19:38:39	Namarrgon	qwerty: so it's either 8x16 or, if you use sa "hidpi" monitor, it's ter16x32
2022-06-11 19:38:45	ℹ 	vitali64 es conocido ahora como wiitali64
2022-06-11 19:39:29	qwerty	yeah I already know its 8x16, as I said it's this one /usr/share/kbd/default8x16.psfu.gz
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2022-06-11 19:39:40	qwerty	I want to use it in my virtual console
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2022-06-11 19:40:13	qwerty	I don't suppose I could use a .psf for that, so I'm looking for it in ttf format
2022-06-11 19:40:30	Namarrgon	what do you mean by "virtual console"?
2022-06-11 19:40:37	Namarrgon	a terminal emulator?
2022-06-11 19:40:44	qwerty	yeah i.e. xterm?
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2022-06-11 19:41:31	artefact	you can probably convert it to something xterm understands, eg bdf/pcf
2022-06-11 19:42:19	artefact	i've never used a "bitmap like" outline font that didn't have a terribly janky experience
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2022-06-12 15:30:51	nl6720	I don't think Linux was even a consideration
2022-06-12 15:32:44	mystiquewolf	Otherwise if you combine it with something like intel trusted execution, tpm, password and secure boot, then it's pretty much secure 
2022-06-12 15:33:27	mystiquewolf	But who has these aside from big cloud servers 
2022-06-12 15:34:41	mystiquewolf	Heck, Linux can't even implement secure boot securely from physical access, but actually is there something that can protect you when you have such? 
2022-06-12 15:35:29	mystiquewolf	Probably biometrics instead of password in combination with all of the above technologies, so they can't steal it from you 
2022-06-12 15:35:34	omegatron	encrypt your (important) data
2022-06-12 15:35:56	nl6720	isn't it argued that biometrics should be the username not the password?
2022-06-12 15:36:18	mystiquewolf	Yes, talking about tools like stealing your password. Take laptop and return it back with hardware key logger 
2022-06-12 15:36:38	luizm	hey guys, i'm new in this channel, what about do you guys talk here?
2022-06-12 15:37:00	nl6720	mystiquewolf: and how likely is that against the possibility of getting threatened with a wrench?
2022-06-12 15:37:31	nl6720	luizm: mostly Arch :D
2022-06-12 15:38:04	thurstylark	well, this being #archlinux, we obviously spend most of our time talking about cheese.
2022-06-12 15:38:16	luizm	nl6720: looks cool
2022-06-12 15:38:36	nl6720	!cheese
2022-06-12 15:38:37	phrik	It smells like shit, but its taste is very nice!
2022-06-12 15:38:44	mystiquewolf	Don't know, but what your words sound threatening to grub, I think I'm gonna throw it away, give up on false pretended security and just use efi stub
2022-06-12 15:38:53	mystiquewolf	Life easier, same false protection 
2022-06-12 15:39:27	nl6720	mystiquewolf: I'm not trying to dissuade you from using grub or secure boot. both have some positive things about them
2022-06-12 15:40:27	mystiquewolf	It's way too easy to circumvent them 
2022-06-12 15:40:59	mystiquewolf	Well, maybe depends on who you are, a spy or a regular person 
2022-06-12 15:41:16	mystiquewolf	Bigger or lesser target 
2022-06-12 16:01:45	artefact	tpm2-totp is not easy to break. you'd have to crack the secret out of the tpm firmware
2022-06-12 16:17:11	kevku	or look for xkcd/221 like infenion did
2022-06-12 16:20:57	mystiquewolf	Because someone could steal your password and decrypt it 
2022-06-12 16:21:24	mystiquewolf	By undermining secure boot, which won't protect you against someone with physical access 
2022-06-12 16:28:05	mystiquewolf	Whatever, it's the same. 
2022-06-12 16:29:19	mystiquewolf	I said it, by circumventing secure boot and and installing their own bootloader. Or by using a hardware key logger instead 
2022-06-12 16:29:24	mystiquewolf	Then you type the password and the encryption is basically gone 
2022-06-12 16:34:30	artefact	h4rd3n3d: secure boot/disk encryption doesn't authenticate your computer
2022-06-12 16:35:17	artefact	anyone can erase cmos and swap the hard disk with a similar but compromised os. once you realised it's different, you've already typed your passphrase
2022-06-12 16:38:53	mystiquewolf	We're not here to argue, we just communicate. The problems go deeper than Foxboron, it's the whole implementation/ecosystem I think 
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2022-06-12 16:41:56	Namarrgon	this is unnecessarily aggressive
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2022-06-12 16:42:22	lambda	h4rd3n3d: what exactly are you trying to protect against by doing that?
2022-06-12 16:42:41	mystiquewolf	I'm also using your setup with grub and encrypted, I said above that there is a way to circumvent the encryption 
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2022-06-12 16:43:47	mystiquewolf	Depending on how big of a target are, CIA/GRU could kidnap you and then hit you with a wrench. Then this whole discussion becomes nonsense 😂
2022-06-12 16:44:16	lambda	that's why it's important to determine the threat model *first*, then think about how to defend
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2022-06-12 16:44:36	Metroid	i thought the point of Secure Boot was to prevent tampering of the /boot stuff :/
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2022-06-12 16:45:34	mystiquewolf	No, I am, he's not. It's all up in the discussion above 
2022-06-12 16:54:06	mystiquewolf	Why do you need an essay, don't you get what I mean? 
2022-06-12 16:55:27	lambda	h4rd3n3d: evil maid replaces your bootloader with one that sniffs your password, and you're pwned
2022-06-12 16:56:49	Foxboron	h4rd3n3d: ?
2022-06-12 16:57:28	Foxboron	mystiquewolf: All problems go deeper than me
2022-06-12 16:57:29	Foxboron	I assure you
2022-06-12 16:57:50	lambda	Foxboron is just the tip of the problem iceberg ;)
2022-06-12 16:58:08	Metroid	if in doubt, it was fox
2022-06-12 16:58:16	mystiquewolf	He's the sweet cherry on top of the cake 
2022-06-12 16:59:11	Metroid	i think it's bold to trust grub, i still remember stuff like this - https://hmarco.org/bugs/CVE-2015-8370-Grub2-authentication-bypass.html
2022-06-12 16:59:12	phrik	Title: Back to 28: Grub2 Authentication Bypass 0-Day (at hmarco.org)
2022-06-12 17:05:48	Foxboron	h4rd3n3d: fwiw, just to prove a point from earlier; With encrypted boot, root and swap + grub. Prove to me you know you are booting a non-malicious bootloader.
2022-06-12 17:06:17	Dark_Mage	EMIYA: May I DM you? Bit of a weird scenario I thought I'd give you a heads-up on.
2022-06-12 17:06:41	artefact	Foxboron: you can use tpm2-totp, or check bootloader hash in initramfs (but you need two passphrases for obv reasons)
2022-06-12 17:07:07	artefact	but yeah, that was my earlier point too. sb/tpm dm-crypt on its own does not protect against evil maids
2022-06-12 17:07:31	Foxboron	artefact: Of course, but they didn't include neither TPMs nor SB.
2022-06-12 17:07:39	Foxboron	TPMs are completely fine solution to this problem as well
2022-06-12 17:08:38	artefact	you still need some kind of pre-shared secret to authenticate, eg with totp
2022-06-12 17:08:41	mystiquewolf	It can be done, cloud servers do it, it's just not at all good implemented and integrated into Linux 
2022-06-12 17:09:59	Foxboron	h4rd3n3d: How is this proving a negative? You can also "prove beyond reasonable doubt"
2022-06-12 17:10:16	Foxboron	We are doing security here, not first order logic.
2022-06-12 17:13:27	Foxboron	h4rd3n3d: tpm2 pcrread and booting with SB enabled.
2022-06-12 17:15:00	Foxboron	Then you have other issues
2022-06-12 17:15:55	mystiquewolf	I have it and I don't use it because I thought it's complicated, don't have time and not such a big target 
2022-06-12 17:16:18	mystiquewolf	But if it was the default it would be good 
2022-06-12 17:16:20	Foxboron	systemd-cryptsetup makes this trivial to implement
2022-06-12 17:17:08	lzodd	lenovo's t520 does not support tpm 2.0 and is still arguably a very good laptop; i believe though there's some wacky workarounds on lenovo's support site
2022-06-12 17:17:26	mystiquewolf	Will look into it once more, not sure when 🙂
2022-06-12 17:18:00	Foxboron	A 10 year old laptop is never "arguably a very good laptop"
2022-06-12 17:18:36	lzodd	well, then let's agree to disagree here. it can run 95% of modern applications still
2022-06-12 17:20:12	Foxboron	We are talking about security...
2022-06-12 17:22:27	lzodd	as i understand it, the only issue that could be is that someone tampers with it sometime. a) it's never leaving this dock it's sitting in b) nobody in my family is going to touch my stuff
2022-06-12 17:27:57	lzodd	that is very reasonable, i use a modern laptop with tpm2 and the latest stuff when travelling. my t520 i use as main workstation(tm) until i bother building a very good PC
2022-06-12 17:28:16	lzodd	but let's not get off-topic, happy to go to DMs though
2022-06-12 17:40:48	Tom^	Foxboron: well coreboot and ME cleaned :p
2022-06-12 17:41:20	Tom^	it has its cons and pros if regarding security
2022-06-12 17:45:33	lzodd	I'm stealing that "evil maid" thing, i like it
2022-06-12 17:49:48	lzodd	well, now i'm interested! do you have any resources that are fit for a beginner in those regards? just want to learn a bit about it
2022-06-12 17:51:17	jelle	"evil maid" is hardly important
2022-06-12 17:51:27	lzodd	so what is?
2022-06-12 17:51:46	jelle	lzodd: backups
2022-06-12 17:52:05	phrik	Title: Joanna Rutkowska - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2022-06-12 17:52:05	lzodd	already have those, so i guess i'm safe then :P
2022-06-12 17:52:11	BrainDamage	the concept is important for the discussion of security, but in terms of people's threat models, it's an important thing to ..exclude
2022-06-12 17:52:49	lzodd	understood, thanks for all the nice answers folks!
2022-06-12 17:52:58	jelle	lzodd: encrypted disks are nice for if your laptop get's stolen the rest of the security concerns I would put in not getting phised
2022-06-12 17:53:51	lzodd	i was actually considering encrypting my disk (once I get a new larger one), but knowing me i'm 95% sure i'll forget the passphrase :^)
2022-06-12 17:54:39	Tom^	lzodd: just make it easy to not forget, 1234acernitro5!
2022-06-12 17:54:42	Tom^	:D
2022-06-12 17:54:53	lzodd	:D
2022-06-12 17:55:02	BrainDamage	having to type it often helps
2022-06-12 17:55:14	Tom^	"mynicknameislzodd!"
2022-06-12 17:55:21	BrainDamage	you can also write it down and store that in a safe place
2022-06-12 17:55:23	jelle	horsestaplebattery
2022-06-12 17:55:45	lzodd	BrainDamage: oh, duh. forgot i have a password manager
2022-06-12 17:56:05	jelle	password manager is also a good thing :)
2022-06-12 17:57:00	lzodd	yep, the day i finally set one up i changed all my passwords to something different... looking back, it was super easy to get old of any of my accounts; either same pass or a variation thereof
2022-06-12 17:57:10	lzodd	was not very smart back then but you can only improve i guess
2022-06-12 18:27:06	Foxboron	Tom^: I don't necessarily think coreboot nor cleaned ME solves the issue either. It solves a different issue
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2022-06-12 18:49:04	travisghansen	anyone tried running the new xps 13 plus with arch? I haven't seen any articles about it to know what hw works/doesn't work etc
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2022-06-12 19:23:37	yellni	gnumdk: take a look at xfce-theme-greybird (AUR)
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2022-06-12 20:00:18	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-06-12 20:00:18	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1490 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1489 normals)
2022-06-12 19:33:27	brocellous	Anyone ever used Arch on a router?
2022-06-12 19:33:41	MrElendig	some people have, yes
2022-06-12 19:36:26	artefact	i use arch on my router. it's a pcengines apu2
2022-06-12 19:36:34	artefact	(pls n0 hax me)
2022-06-12 19:37:13	Strykar	irssi got updated haha
2022-06-12 19:37:41	Strykar	brocellous: the answer is almost always yes, just ask your Q
2022-06-12 19:38:04	brocellous	Oh I was just curious if there was any advice for it but in fact there is a wiki page
2022-06-12 19:38:10	brocellous	so went to reading that
2022-06-12 19:39:01	artefact	95% of it nftables+networkd
2022-06-12 19:39:22	⚡ 	MrElendig would suggest firewalld
2022-06-12 19:41:57	justkdng	firewalld is bloat
2022-06-12 19:42:03	justkdng	nftables all the way
2022-06-12 19:42:19	MrElendig	not really
2022-06-12 19:42:35	MrElendig	also for users who have no idea what they are doing, firewalld is a lot less error prone
2022-06-12 19:43:04	artefact	nftables is fairly easy to pick up, compared to the insanity that is ip{6,}tables
2022-06-12 19:43:48	MrElendig	the syntax is the easy bit
2022-06-12 19:43:53	brocellous	Yeah agreed, I only ever learned nftables
2022-06-12 19:44:24	drocan	reading the wiki article right now, is nftables an iptables "front-end" or iptables equivalent?
2022-06-12 19:44:37	BrainDamage	equivalent
2022-06-12 19:44:47	drocan	thanks
2022-06-12 19:44:55	MrElendig	iptables is now often imlemented on top of nft
2022-06-12 19:44:56	artefact	they're two frontends to netfilter
2022-06-12 19:44:57	BrainDamage	both are interfaces to the same kernel thing
2022-06-12 19:47:18	brocellous	Yeah iptables is usually provided by iptables-nft now, which uses the newer kernel interface
2022-06-12 19:47:57	tirnanog	drocan: nftables is a frontend for the according backend. iptables-legacy is a frontend for the xtables backend. iptables-nft is a frontend for nft with weird glue that connects it to some of the xtables infrastructure.
2022-06-12 19:48:28	drocan	geez, thanks fail2ban I guess
2022-06-12 19:48:30	tirnanog	by "nft", I mean in the kernel, not the userspace tool.
2022-06-12 19:48:41	artefact	(also, not the zoomer crypto thing)
2022-06-12 19:48:51	tirnanog	as you probably noticed, arch lets you choose either flavour of iptables as distinct packages.
2022-06-12 19:49:01	MrElendig	fail2ban does nft now (but you should consider crowdsec instead)
2022-06-12 19:49:51	tirnanog	justkdng: I like nftables but, by golly, the bugs - the bugs.
2022-06-12 19:50:03	tirnanog	regression after bug after regression.
2022-06-12 19:50:38	⚡ 	Warepire just learns about crowdsec, and is thrilled to never have to read the mess of words fail2ban considers documentation
2022-06-12 19:51:03	drocan	the sunk-cost fallacy I have for fail2ban jails are insane right now
2022-06-12 19:51:27	MrElendig	crowsec is quite a bit less fragile
2022-06-12 19:51:27	tirnanog	I don't think I've ever used a tool that can so consistently be coaxed into segfaulting over such a long period of time.
2022-06-12 19:51:39	tirnanog	the kernel side is better, though.
2022-06-12 19:59:43	bparker	17:49 < tirnanog> justkdng: I like nftables but, by golly, the bugs - the bugs.
2022-06-12 19:59:46	bparker	same for Qt
2022-06-12 19:59:52	brocellous	Ok, anyone got an AP running iwd? The wiki page https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Software_access_point only talks about hostapd.
2022-06-12 19:59:54	phrik	Title: Software access point - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-12 20:00:18	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-12 20:00:19	tirnanog	bparker: oh, really? I thought it was OK but my understanding of its quality level is so out of date, it harkens back to the days of KDE 3.
2022-06-12 20:00:39	bparker	it's quality for sure, but there's still lots of obscure bugs and random regressions
2022-06-12 20:00:49	bparker	I recently had a 10-year old bug report _finally_ fixed
2022-06-12 20:00:55	tirnanog	good lord.
2022-06-12 20:01:21	progandy	brocellous: iwd does not support the AP mode.
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2022-06-12 20:01:27	bparker	brocellous: iwd is not for AP
2022-06-12 20:01:31	bparker	it's a wpa_supplicant replacement
2022-06-12 20:01:50	progandy	well, there is very basic functionality but... https://iwd.wiki.kernel.org/ap_mode
2022-06-12 20:01:51	phrik	Title: ap_mode [Wiki] (at iwd.wiki.kernel.org)
2022-06-12 20:02:08	justkdng	qt is really good
2022-06-12 20:02:18	justkdng	better than gtk even
2022-06-12 20:02:23	justkdng	imo
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2022-06-12 20:03:42	teraflops	!fight gtk qt
2022-06-12 20:03:43	phrik	gtk
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2022-06-12 20:03:56	bparker	gtk is a literal pile of dogshit
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2022-06-12 20:04:11	teraflops	!goat
2022-06-12 20:04:11	phrik	https://i.imgur.com/263enxT.jpg
2022-06-12 20:04:18	bparker	if you thought 10 year old bugs were bad, gtk has 20-year-old unfixed bugs
2022-06-12 20:04:25	bparker	and still can't even display thumbnails in a damn file picker
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2022-06-12 20:05:06	MrElendig	bparker: that is not trivial to fix (but is coming soon in gtk4)
2022-06-12 20:05:38	bparker	I'll believe it when I see it.
2022-06-12 20:05:49	MrElendig	there is code out you can test
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2022-06-12 20:05:56	bparker	not a chance
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2022-06-12 20:06:19	MrElendig	flatpak makes it easy
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2022-06-12 20:06:42	progandy	bparker: there is a patch available.
2022-06-12 20:06:58	progandy	but it is too ugly for upstream.
2022-06-12 20:07:28	MrElendig	really fixing it requires rewriting the filepicker which is being done
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2022-06-12 20:14:51	Strykar	aw no wiki page for crowdsec yet
2022-06-12 20:15:14	justkdng	it will come to gtk(n+1) bro
2022-06-12 20:15:16	justkdng	just wait
2022-06-12 20:15:32	colo	heh
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2022-06-12 20:16:47	MrElendig	crowsdsec is a mess to install/etc but using it is a lot nicer than fail2ban etc
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2022-06-12 20:17:00	MrElendig	sadly they have gone the "just curl | sudo sh ..." way
2022-06-12 20:17:21	drocan	Strykar: I was just putting something together for the wiki :)
2022-06-12 20:17:21	lzodd	that sounds very secure ngl
2022-06-12 20:18:04	drocan	aur package is sane
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2022-06-12 20:18:39	lzodd	that's good to hear, maybe i'll try it this week or so
2022-06-12 20:18:49	MrElendig	drocan: that can be argued
2022-06-12 20:19:03	MrElendig	it stuffs things in /usr/local after all....
2022-06-12 20:19:06	drocan	sorry you're right, it's saner than | sh
2022-06-12 20:19:27	MrElendig	also crowdsec will still do silly things at runtime
2022-06-12 20:19:40	lzodd	I mean, you still are expected to check things yourself before blindly installing it, no?
2022-06-12 20:20:11	MrElendig	https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/crowdsec.install?h=crowdsec
2022-06-12 20:20:12	phrik	Title: crowdsec.install - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-06-12 20:21:24	drocan	erm. why does post install has an installation wizard
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2022-06-12 20:24:40	rdbeni0	hi all, i have some (2-3) broken pendrives. But i don't want to throw them away because they can come in handy. Is there any tool/filesystem with good support of expected badblocks for standard USB pendrives? file system or tool for ext4
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2022-06-12 20:25:54	CarloWood	>dmesg
2022-06-12 20:25:54	CarloWood	dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted
2022-06-12 20:26:03	CarloWood	Since when is that? :/
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2022-06-12 20:26:18	teraflops	a year or so?
2022-06-12 20:26:21	lzodd	drocan: reading their wizard.sh script it looks like it's there to remove log files and whatnot, also to check if crowdsec bouncers are still active... removing those while running can leave it in unpredictable state
2022-06-12 20:26:28	CarloWood	echo "1" > /proc/stop_the_nonsense
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2022-06-12 20:26:40	colo	rdbeni0, `badblocks` them until you have nailed down the bad LBA ranges, then feed those to the mkfs.ext4 option that I forgot. don't use them for anything important.
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2022-06-12 20:27:13	colo	CarloWood, but them security gainz are IMMEASURABLE
2022-06-12 20:27:23	Gagis	huh, I'd have imagined that dmesg would have always required superuser privileges. kinda surprising that this is new
2022-06-12 20:27:28	rdbeni0	colo: "don't use them for anything important." exactly. So only badblock + ext4? i think there is something in linux dedicated for USB pendrives
2022-06-12 20:27:45	Warepire	CarloWood: https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commit/b78bc292e2218661a3b70163ec30711c87100941#diff-3e341d2d9c67be01819b25b25d5e53ea3cdf3a38d28846cda85a195eb9b7203a
2022-06-12 20:27:54	colo	rdbeni0, you might be thinking of f2fs, but it's said to be a lot less robust than e2fs in the face of trouble.
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2022-06-12 20:28:46	lzodd	Gagis: I've disabled that in Kernel, because I self-compile some stuff out I never will use... should be CONFIG_SECURITY_DMESG_RESTRICT
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2022-06-12 20:29:25	Gagis	yah thats now on by default, I just never realized it wasnt
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2022-06-12 20:48:10	Strykar	drocan: Nice, would help adoption :)
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2022-06-12 20:52:41	mystiquewolf	Foxboron @Foxboron:libera.chat: FWIW downgrading grub seems to have fixed it 
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2022-06-12 20:53:08	mystiquewolf	And I followed the same commands one to one according to bash history 
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2022-06-13 05:51:21	Corshine	anyone use terabox on arch? its not in aur I think
2022-06-13 05:58:50	slimbo	never heard of it but a quick search of it looks... dubious at best, if you're referring to the cloud storage provider
2022-06-13 06:07:12	noobaroo	I compiled 5.18.3 zen kernel using (almost) all my 5.15 lts kernel configuration. I changed 1 or 2 options, to autoupdate the file from native menuconfig, and nothing more 
2022-06-13 06:07:22	noobaroo	Now my computer won't boot 
2022-06-13 06:07:52	randomxusr	anyone know whether realtek ALC1220-VB is supported by Alsa or pipewire? Specifically 5.1 audio?
2022-06-13 06:08:44	noobaroo	Is there somewhere I can find a difference between 5.15.43 lts kernel config and 5.18.3?
2022-06-13 06:09:26	noobaroo	Even better. If anyone is experienced enough to know off the back of their hand what kernel config options might break in an update, that would be even better 
2022-06-13 06:13:51	xnovax	noobaroo: use the diff tool to compare differences between your two configs. did you forget to make oldconfig ?
2022-06-13 06:14:37	xnovax	otoh, if your kernel compiled , than there just might be something else causing your system to not boot. 
2022-06-13 06:14:58	xnovax	5.15 to 5.18 is a pretty big change
2022-06-13 06:15:43	xnovax	For any hope at getting help, its probably best you share the actual errors you are getting when booting.
2022-06-13 06:21:15	noobaroo	xnovax, make oldconfig? I have never done that before, not sure what it is
2022-06-13 06:22:59	noobaroo	I just copy my old .config file to the new kernel source folder and make sure its named properly. Then I make menuconfig, and save it because IME without rerunning menuconfig and saving it again, it will ask a few config y/n questions during build process that might not be in old .config file
2022-06-13 06:23:48	noobaroo	Rerunning menuconfig and saving it again is a nice workaround I use to prevent that 
2022-06-13 06:23:50	xnovax	thats what make oldconfig is for
2022-06-13 06:24:09	noobaroo	Oh nice
2022-06-13 06:24:35	noobaroo	And as to errors, I got none. Just black screen. I put loglevel=8 and still got absolutely nothing
2022-06-13 06:24:39	xnovax	pretty sure running make menuconfig again wont actually help
2022-06-13 06:25:22	xnovax	if you already copied over your 5.15 config to /usr/src/linux/.config than try make clean ; make oldconfig
2022-06-13 06:25:51	xnovax	than again, u might want to recopy your 5.15 config there again incase you did make changes to it already
2022-06-13 06:25:53	noobaroo	Maybe not as ideal as the proper tool, but its always worked for me before
2022-06-13 06:26:17	noobaroo	Thanks for telling me about proper tool :)
2022-06-13 06:26:19	xnovax	use the currently running kernel, zcat /proc/config.gz > /usr/src/linux/.config
2022-06-13 06:26:31	xnovax	if this is ur 5.15 one
2022-06-13 06:27:04	noobaroo	What are the benefits of keeping entire source tree at /usr/src/linux? Isn't that what header files are for?
2022-06-13 06:27:09	xnovax	the y/n questions it asks, about different kernel options will appear, after you run make oldconfig
2022-06-13 06:27:23	xnovax	i suggest keeping them as the defaults
2022-06-13 06:27:34	xnovax	so just press return, when it asks y/n
2022-06-13 06:28:12	xnovax	you shouldnt need make menuconfig at all
2022-06-13 06:29:22	noobaroo	Ahhh looks like blake2s stuff got changed around. I had it as a module and I think it's essential now for the boot process
2022-06-13 06:30:06	noobaroo	 /dev/urandom and stuff need it with >=5.17
2022-06-13 06:30:15	noobaroo	That explains it
2022-06-13 06:30:37	xnovax	Not sure if it does or not, you not shared the errors you got when booting
2022-06-13 06:31:10	xnovax	The errors should give some hint hopefully.
2022-06-13 06:31:30	noobaroo	I wouldn't have figured it out if not for make oldconfig telling me from the getgo. Even the build process was silent and clean even with V=1, at least that I could notice
2022-06-13 06:31:42	noobaroo	I rebuilt twice
2022-06-13 06:32:06	xnovax	try make help too
2022-06-13 06:32:36	noobaroo	xnovax, i told you the screen was black. no kernel panic or anything like that
2022-06-13 06:33:45	xnovax	Perhaps the system is booting, and you can ssh into it? hard to say. but just try doing what i said initially prior to compiling again
2022-06-13 06:34:18	xnovax	There could also just be issues with that kernel version, and like nvidia if you use this
2022-06-13 06:34:29	xnovax	its pretty common for nvidia and kernel to not play nicely
2022-06-13 06:34:34	xnovax	if you use nvidia
2022-06-13 06:36:12	xnovax	also if you are using nvidia by chance, you need to make sure to enable dkms
2022-06-13 06:36:33	xnovax	are you using nvidia?
2022-06-13 06:36:46	bparker	if you're having trouble booting, disable nvidia and/or boot with nomodeset
2022-06-13 06:37:12	bparker	and remove 'quiet' if you have it as a kernel parameter
2022-06-13 06:37:57	noobaroo	Just finished up with the make oldconfig. It's building again now. I'm 99% sure the blake2 thing was the problem, but ill let you know how it goes once I reboot
2022-06-13 06:38:06	bparker	can also try earlyprintk and loglevel=8
2022-06-13 06:38:09	noobaroo	Shouldnt take more than 5mins or so to compile
2022-06-13 06:38:47	noobaroo	bparker, i had ran loglevel=8 but havent heard about earlyprintk before. Ill keep that in mind from now on thanks 
2022-06-13 06:39:01	noobaroo	KK, gonna reboot
2022-06-13 06:39:05	xnovax	noobaroo: do you use nvidia?
2022-06-13 06:39:15	noobaroo	Took more like 30secs and nah i dont lol
2022-06-13 06:39:18	xnovax	ok
2022-06-13 06:48:02	noobaroo	I think at this point, this belongs in a bug report 
2022-06-13 06:48:23	noobaroo	Not sure though. I guess it depends if its reproducible on other systems? 
2022-06-13 06:50:02	noobaroo	Still wont boot. Just a black screen. Using the exact same config file from currently running 5.15LTS, and the only modifications are from make oldconfig
2022-06-13 06:51:17	noobaroo	Well wait there is one more thing I can try. I zcatted the running config as suggested, literally changed nothing except from oldconfig program, and my intel-ucode isn't under a subdirectory anymore its on /lib/firmware root 
2022-06-13 06:51:44	noobaroo	I don't actually think this would prevent the boot process though 
2022-06-13 06:53:17	noobaroo	Plus, it was compiled in correctly all the previous times and the effects im seeing are all the same. Nothing has changed no matter the different variables. So it seems that none of the variables I've played with have had any effect, it's some external common demoninator causing all this 
2022-06-13 06:53:36	xnovax	latest kernel that arch uses is 5.18.3. if this works for you, you can compare the borked config, to working one of 5.18.3
2022-06-13 06:54:49	xnovax	9 times out of 10, its usually just a borked kernel config thats causing all the issues
2022-06-13 06:55:19	xnovax	you might even use the config that arch kernel as your base
2022-06-13 06:55:34	xnovax	than apply whatever patches / changes you want
2022-06-13 06:55:45	noobaroo	9 times out of 10, kernel wasn't built from currently running config though 
2022-06-13 06:56:13	noobaroo	The config is obviously operational 
2022-06-13 06:56:18	xnovax	its more common than you think. having to redo a config from scratch is tedious work
2022-06-13 06:57:12	xnovax	in your case, using the running kernel config, versus whatever you copied in the first place, should be virtually identicle
2022-06-13 06:57:27	Scimmia	not obviously operational. Not obvious at all
2022-06-13 06:59:28	xnovax	i would suggest trying to see if the kernel arch provides, which is on 5.18.3.arch1-1 works for you
2022-06-13 07:00:08	xnovax	if it does, you are in luck, and can use the config of the working running system as your base, for your custom kernel which also will be 5.18.3
2022-06-13 07:00:22	xnovax	on most systems, it should work
2022-06-13 07:05:25	xnovax	whats the reason you are compiling the kernel yourself btw?
2022-06-13 07:18:00	noobaroo	xnovax, I like to boot my computer without an initramfs mostly tbh 
2022-06-13 07:18:43	noobaroo	There's a few other reasons, but that's probably what I'm most nitpicky about 
2022-06-13 07:23:06	xnovax	Would be easier if you had a list of known kernel features that you need to build-in in order to go without initramfs
2022-06-13 07:26:09	xnovax	also, for what purpose do you want to go without initramfs? 
2022-06-13 07:26:21	xnovax	perhaps its not worth all of this trouble?
2022-06-13 07:30:32	noobaroo	You think -10ms boot time isn't worth the trouble? (lol)
2022-06-13 07:31:38	xnovax	if thats your actual reason for doing it, than yes, it isnt worth the trouble
2022-06-13 07:32:54	xnovax	should be a good learning experience though, this is a better reason.
2022-06-13 07:34:35	Betal	noobaroo: what your total boot time? if it is under 50ms, then it may be worth.. but why reboot that much, if you reboot your machine 1000 time (~3 times per day in 1 year), you have saved about 10 seconds in 1 year
2022-06-13 07:44:29	slimbo	in 1440 years he'll have saved up the 4 hours time it took to save the 10ms, so... worth!
2022-06-13 07:45:18	slimbo	wait thats for 10s, not ms, maff hard
2022-06-13 08:01:19	GuiToris	hey, is fluxbox even more responsive than openbox?
2022-06-13 08:04:52	Tom^	GuiToris: if an uncomposited X11 window manager is by any means slow they have to seriously consider their coding style. so no.
2022-06-13 08:07:06	GuiToris	Tom^, did you try many window managers? which one do you recommend?
2022-06-13 08:07:13	GuiToris	I've only used openbox and i3
2022-06-13 08:08:03	Tom^	use whatever, im currently stuck with kwin just because ive grown to lazy to manually deal with all the things a DE does for you.
2022-06-13 08:52:12	nkukard	Hi there arojas, regarding FS#75053 it looks like the soversion changed on the last svt-av1 update for libSvtAv1Enc.so.1
2022-06-13 08:58:56	arojas	nkukard: yes, it did. And every official package has been fixed. Unsupported packages are your responsibility.
2022-06-13 09:00:42	nkukard	arojas, sorry for the misunderstanding and wasting your time, I thought because electron17 is in [community] and linked against the old soname it was a bug.
2022-06-13 09:01:16	arojas	nkukard: electron17 is not linked to it. I'd start by looking at the output of 'pacman -Qm'
2022-06-13 09:01:29	HaMsTeRs	Ai my ppl, anyone completed the HPE greenlake exam?
2022-06-13 09:01:48	nkukard	libSvtAv1Enc.so.0 => not found   <=  when using ldd /usr/lib/electron17/electron
2022-06-13 09:03:32	arojas	use lddtree
2022-06-13 09:12:30	nkukard	thanks arojas :)
2022-06-13 09:41:49	GuiToris	I don't understand this comment: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2039869#p2039869
2022-06-13 09:41:50	phrik	Title: Virtualbox unstable / Applications & Desktop Environments / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-06-13 09:42:03	GuiToris	should I downgrade the linux kernel as well?
2022-06-13 09:42:36	GuiToris	I only downgraded local/virtualbox local/virtualbox-ext-oracle and local/virtualbox-host-dkms
2022-06-13 09:43:28	jelle	GuiToris: I wonder if it's related to ibt
2022-06-13 09:44:51	GuiToris	The virtualbox itself does not crash, but the guests systems are totally unusable
2022-06-13 09:45:26	GuiToris	I don't know what ibt is
2022-06-13 10:29:35	GuiToris	I downgraded linux and virtualbox, and now it's working again
2022-06-13 10:31:13	Gagis	be careful with that. freezing some packages into old versions while updating the rest of the system can get weird
2022-06-13 10:34:20	GuiToris	it can't be any weirder than it was before
2022-06-13 10:41:41	alloy	GuiToris, I use the LTS kernel "linux-lts" because the standard one doesn't play nice with VMware Workstation.  Perhaps this could help you.
2022-06-13 10:41:52	GuiToris	I also use that
2022-06-13 10:41:57	alloy	k
2022-06-13 10:42:07	GuiToris	that's what I downgraded
2022-06-13 10:42:56	alloy	maybe as an experiment try VMware Player to see if it's specific to your system, or if it's a Vbox quirk.
2022-06-13 10:43:27	alloy	ie. "does other virtualisation software run ok?"
2022-06-13 10:48:28	jelle	vmware player is the most annoying solution of all three :)
2022-06-13 10:48:40	bparker	qemu > *
2022-06-13 10:49:23	jelle	alloy: that is expected, vmware player always lacks behind upstream kernel releases
2022-06-13 10:49:35	jelle	virtualbox also lacks behind but is faster then vmware
2022-06-13 10:55:48	xificurC	I'd need some help configuring displays.. I have 2 graphic cards and had the Intel one disabled in BIOS. The NVIDIA one started crashing after a recent update. I switched to nouveau but it couldn't support HW accel and some apps were actually crashing without that. So now I blacklisted nouveau and switched in BIOS back the hybrid setup (no option to turn off the NVIDIA one). Now I ses the intel
2022-06-13 10:55:48	xificurC	driver is used correctly, but now I can't
2022-06-13 10:55:48	xificurC	see my external display.. In xrandr it shows it disconnected. It is a DisplayPort connected through a usb-c hub. Since it is shown as disconnected I have no idea what should I do next to debug this / get this working. I'll gladly provide all HW info but don't want to spam until some good soul decides to help out! 
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2022-06-13 14:00:07	ice9	what would be a good price for Linux administrator to create/configure a new server (web, database, email) onetime setup fee; and the monthly cost to maintain this server?
2022-06-13 14:00:17	artefact	it's been down since yesterday. i was looking up the pipewire documentation and got very annoyed
2022-06-13 14:00:32	artefact	and because of bullsh*t javascript hell even the archive.org mirror wouldn't load wiki pages from gitlab
2022-06-13 14:00:50	ice9	sorry of the offtopic question (wrong channel), I meant #archlinux-offtopic
2022-06-13 14:01:02	Foucault_	is anyone running nvidia with gnome on wayland? I noticed that after egl-wayland 1.1.10 resizing windows causes part of the window to disappear until the resize is finished
2022-06-13 14:02:09	Foucault_	I tracked it down to this commit https://github.com/NVIDIA/egl-wayland/commit/ddaa27209a8149c1960c70799c87151206401bbc
2022-06-13 14:05:26	artefact	ahead of time?
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2022-06-13 15:27:19	mingdao	pulec: First, find out if your drive is bad.  My recommendation is the long test for SCSI.
2022-06-13 15:28:29	PhrozenByte	Hi everyone, one quick question about the package repos: If I don't sync sources before installing additional software and pacman can successfully download the package, does this guarantee that I'm installing the latest version?
2022-06-13 15:28:30	PhrozenByte	Or put differently: Are old versions deleted from package repos immediately, or is there some overlapping time period in which one can download multiple versions of the same package?
2022-06-13 15:28:59	mingdao	PhrozenByte: You must sync the repo to get newly added packages.
2022-06-13 15:29:10	pulec	mingdao: yeah I will do that once I backup all the data, to have some better proof for RMA, thanks
2022-06-13 15:30:06	mingdao	pulec: I don't know what you're using to backup the data, but rsync with options to only sync data from source not on destination might help.
2022-06-13 15:30:12	Namarrgon	PhrozenByte: old versions are deleted, there is no overlap, and even if there was then you wouldn't be able to download them since the package-db would contain only the latest one
2022-06-13 15:30:42	mingdao	pulec: I don't think, from eXPerience, that the disk manufacturer is going to care about your test results.
2022-06-13 15:30:53	pulec	other question, since this PC is sort of a NAS server and I may take out or put in drives I sometimes forget to edit /etc/fstab, so instead of having all the drives there I have just / and swapfile as I said
2022-06-13 15:30:54	Namarrgon	PhrozenByte: if you don't -Sy before you -Su then pacman will try to install whatever was in the package-db when you last -Sy'ed, 
2022-06-13 15:31:01	mingdao	pulec: That is for you, so you will know if your drive is bad.  The manufacturer will test themselves.
2022-06-13 15:31:07	pulec	and then I have separate script to do mount UUID=X path
2022-06-13 15:31:20	pulec	but with mounts like these, e.g. btop doesn't display IO on those drives
2022-06-13 15:31:38	pulec	mingdao: yeah I'm using dumb mode MC and filtering out some data as I go I don't really need everything
2022-06-13 15:32:15	wez	Hai gang
2022-06-13 15:32:29	pulec	mingdao: yeah I guess, the company that sold me that should not really care about if the drive is okay or not and send it to manufacturer
2022-06-13 15:32:32	mingdao	!give wez politewelcome
2022-06-13 15:32:32	phrik	wez: Welcome to #archlinux - How can we help you?
2022-06-13 15:32:48	wez	phrik: I would like to know the purpose of archlinux.
2022-06-13 15:32:48	phrik	wez: BLEEP BLOOP
2022-06-13 15:32:53	mingdao	pulec: That's beyond the scope of this channel.
2022-06-13 15:32:53	pulec	so about the mounting, is there some better way to manage mounts than custom script with UUIDs and mount paths?
2022-06-13 15:33:01	wez	mingdao: --^
2022-06-13 15:33:08	Namarrgon	wez: the wiki has a couple of links on the frontpage
2022-06-13 15:33:14	wez	Namarrgon: Thank you!
2022-06-13 15:33:18	pulec	since I really dislike fails too boot cause one defined drive is missing in /etc/fstab
2022-06-13 15:33:20	mingdao	wez: Issue /topic and check out those links.
2022-06-13 15:33:24	wez	Namarrgon: Where's the wiki?
2022-06-13 15:33:31	pulec	and it jumps to grub rescue which I gave up using and just boot archiso
2022-06-13 15:33:42	Namarrgon	wez: the arch wiki https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Main_page
2022-06-13 15:33:43	phrik	Title: ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-13 15:33:46	wez	Namarrgon: thank you!
2022-06-13 15:33:53	PhrozenByte	Namarrgon: nice! so I can always safely do -S without a prior -Syu and can be sure that the installed package and all of its dependencies wasn't updated since my last -Sy. makes keeping containers up-to-date way easier, thanks :)
2022-06-13 15:34:15	pulec	I searched in here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/file_systems
2022-06-13 15:34:16	phrik	Title: File systems - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-13 15:34:31	Namarrgon	PhrozenByte: yes, it's fine to use "-S <pkg>" until you run into 404s, then oyu know that it's time to -Syu, never -Sy without -u
2022-06-13 15:34:33	pulec	I guess I can try systemd-mount
2022-06-13 15:34:53	pulec	AHA!
2022-06-13 15:34:58	PhrozenByte	Namarrgon: perfect, will do, thank you for your help!
2022-06-13 15:35:02	pulec	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fstab#External_devices
2022-06-13 15:35:04	phrik	Title: fstab - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-13 15:35:11	pulec	no fail to fstab and done, simple
2022-06-13 15:35:59	mingdao	PhrozenByte: IDK how many pkgs you don't want to update, if that's it, but check /etc/pacman.conf for: Pacman won't upgrade packages listed in IgnorePkg and members of IgnoreGroup
2022-06-13 15:36:36	wez	mingdao: cheers, it was the wiki I was after though. Thank you all the same!
2022-06-13 15:37:12	mingdao	wez: That first link https://archlinux.org/ has a menu:  
2022-06-13 15:37:12	mingdao	Home Packages Forums Wiki Bugs Security AUR Download 
2022-06-13 15:37:12	phrik	Title: Arch Linux (at archlinux.org)
2022-06-13 15:37:30	mingdao	Wiki is one of the links in that menu.  ;)
2022-06-13 15:38:09	wez	mingdao: \o/
2022-06-13 15:38:25	PhrozenByte	mingdao: thanks, but I'm rather building a daily updated container base image myself and just trying to spare the -Syu for images depending on my base image. if -S fails I now know that I can't spare the -Syu, but if it succeeds, I don't need the -Syu
2022-06-13 15:39:25	PhrozenByte	allows me to make the check-for-updates script way simpler :)
2022-06-13 15:40:15	Namarrgon	'checkupdates' is in community/pacman-contrib
2022-06-13 15:42:43	PhrozenByte	Namarrgon: thanks for the tip, will check it out!
2022-06-13 16:10:27	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-13 16:41:57	ℹ 	vitali64 es conocido ahora como meowtali64
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2022-06-13 16:45:07	Furai	Another useful is `checkservices`. Though recently it keeps reporting udev service, as it cannot parse the pid file.
2022-06-13 16:45:18	Furai	It finds all the pacdiffs.
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2022-06-13 17:37:12	ℹ 	kill es conocido ahora como killown
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2022-06-13 17:37:15	ℹ 	killown es conocido ahora como php
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2022-06-13 17:40:48	Vorpal	Furai: there is needrestart in aur that does a similar thing. Perhaps it is more configurable?
2022-06-13 17:40:58	Vorpal	at least it supports white and blacklisting
2022-06-13 17:41:05	Vorpal	never used checkservices, so I can't compare
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2022-06-13 17:59:48	Rayyan	!paste
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2022-06-13 18:28:59	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-13 18:36:01	ℹ 	tam1m_ es conocido ahora como tam1m
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2022-06-13 19:14:17	mattf	pulseaudio-rtp receiver is not working again... I can listen the stream with vlc and the source is created on the receiver but it has no sound
2022-06-13 19:14:27	mattf	does anyone know pulseaudio...
2022-06-13 19:22:27	Vorpal	not really, I use pipewire
2022-06-13 19:22:39	BrainDamage	!anyone
2022-06-13 19:22:39	phrik	Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2022-06-13 19:25:04	raster	mattf: can't just use parec ?
2022-06-13 19:25:36	mattf	raster: im using vlc but with the original pulseaudio receiver was so much less delay
2022-06-13 19:25:41	mattf	and less glitching
2022-06-13 19:26:11	mattf	i don't know how to use parec, this is the command that works for me: cvlc rtp://10.42.0.1:46998
2022-06-13 19:26:26	mattf	and 10.42.0.1 is my own ip so no idea how this works
2022-06-13 19:28:25	Vorpal	what is a "pulseaudio receiver"=
2022-06-13 19:28:28	Vorpal	s/=/?/
2022-06-13 19:28:53	Vorpal	doesn't PA normally play to your sound card via the ALSA kernel drivers?
2022-06-13 19:29:08	Vorpal	and the software talks to PA. PA in the middle handle mixing, volume and such
2022-06-13 19:31:52	mattf	Vorpal: 
2022-06-13 19:31:55	mattf	I have a ubuntu 20.04 sender and archlinux receiver. On the sender /etc/pulse/default.pa i have: http://ix.io/405p and on the receiver i have: load-module module-rtp-recv sap_address=0.0.0.0 latency_msec=150. I checked wireshark and the udp rtp packets were coming to the receiver. I can connect and listen with cvlc rtp://10.42.0.1:46998 and even pavucontrol shows the stream (vostro is my
2022-06-13 19:31:55	mattf	sender's name): https://i.imgur.com/9DZKTCX.png.
2022-06-13 19:31:56	mattf	But still that stream doesn't have any sound while the vlc one is working. This used to work fine before recent updates, I updated both system at the same time.
2022-06-13 19:32:19	Elodin	Hi, I reached max tries for sudo with incorrect password, how do i reset it?
2022-06-13 19:32:55	Vorpal	mattf: oh is this a network audio thing? didn't even know PA could do that
2022-06-13 19:33:01	mattf	pulseaudio-rtp
2022-06-13 19:33:07	Vorpal	right, no clue about that
2022-06-13 19:34:25	mattf	well ill downgrade pulseaudio to see
2022-06-13 19:34:44	mattf	heh the version is the same on both sender and receiver 
2022-06-13 19:35:04	mattf	oh not rly, im just craz
2022-06-13 19:35:19	parakovsky	any way to save metadata about replaygain outside of files themselves since some of them seeded on trackers
2022-06-13 19:35:36	ishan	Hi, Has something changed with `dig` recently? I am using systemd-resolved which is configured to use a adguard home instance on my local network. When I query a domain, It just hangs for a good 10 seconds. 
2022-06-13 19:35:37	parakovsky	i mean it is too late already that i am batch applying it to everything but i just wonder was it possible in the first place
2022-06-13 19:35:51	parakovsky	they could be stored outside in cue sheets but not every album has it anyway
2022-06-13 19:35:55	ishan	In the adguard home instance, I see that the domain was resolved in <1ms and the Query time in dig's output also shows 0msec 
2022-06-13 19:35:58	ishan	soo, Why is it taking so much time 
2022-06-13 19:36:23	artefact	try resolvectl query instead of dig
2022-06-13 19:36:52	ishan	resolvectl query is instance 
2022-06-13 19:36:54	ishan	*instant
2022-06-13 19:37:23	Vorpal	ishan: did you check journalctl? I had weird issues with systemd-resolved timing out due to dnssec issues
2022-06-13 19:37:34	Vorpal	but there were lots of relevant messages in the system logs
2022-06-13 19:37:48	ishan	I have this line in journalctl but this error has been happening for years. Using degraded feature set UDP instead of UDP+EDNS0 for DNS server 10.0.99.3.
2022-06-13 19:37:58	Vorpal	ishan: indeed, I had issues like that
2022-06-13 19:38:40	Vorpal	try disabling dnssec if that is required in systemd-resolved. Pretty sure it won't work without working EDNS0. Though it is strange that it only affects dig
2022-06-13 19:39:09	Vorpal	ishan: other things to try: using dig on different domains and using dig @8.8.8.8 and see if you still get those issues
2022-06-13 19:39:40	Vorpal	(or 1.1.1.1 or whatever server you wish to use to check)
2022-06-13 19:40:17	ishan	I think it's adguarhome's fault... dig only gets stuck with AAAA queries. resolvectl works fine if I don't specify a query type(it responds with A/AAAA records) but if I specify a query type, AAAA, Resolvectl also gets stuck 
2022-06-13 19:40:38	ishan	And this is only happening for domains for which I have added a custom rule to `REFUSE` AAAA response 
2022-06-13 19:40:50	Vorpal	ah
2022-06-13 19:41:02	Vorpal	so "dig domain.com IN A" is quick?
2022-06-13 19:41:03	ishan	||jiomart.com^$dnstype=AAAA,dnsrewrite=REFUSED
2022-06-13 19:41:05	ishan	Yes
2022-06-13 19:41:16	ishan	For this domain, AAAA queries get stuck 
2022-06-13 19:41:46	ishan	Changing the response type from `REFUSE` to `NXDOMAIN` doesn't help 
2022-06-13 19:42:01	ishan	or wait
2022-06-13 19:42:02	ishan	it does
2022-06-13 19:42:10	ishan	(had to restart systemd-resolved) 
2022-06-13 19:42:18	ishan	now it's all good 
2022-06-13 19:42:30	ishan	I wonder why `REFUSE` response was causing problems :think: 
2022-06-13 19:42:32	Elodin	something is funky on my system. I just restarted and i can't validate my uso password dmesg tells me op=pam:authentication res=failed
2022-06-13 19:42:43	ishan	yeah, that happens to me too sometimes 
2022-06-13 19:42:47	Elodin	s/uso/sudo/
2022-06-13 19:42:54	Vorpal	Elodin: does su work?
2022-06-13 19:43:08	Vorpal	so you still have a way in as root
2022-06-13 19:43:14	Elodin	Vorpal: su works
2022-06-13 19:43:20	Vorpal	hm
2022-06-13 19:43:27	Elodin	that's how i can see dmesg
2022-06-13 19:43:46	Vorpal	pam auth failed, are you sure you are typing your password correctly?
2022-06-13 19:44:26	Elodin	I remember some command to reset the pam auth
2022-06-13 19:44:43	Elodin	so if i had typed 3 times incorrectly it would try validate again
2022-06-13 19:45:07	Vorpal	Elodin: oh is this a fail lockout thing?
2022-06-13 19:47:52	Elodin	at this point yes, cuz I typed a bunch of times
2022-06-13 19:50:21	Vorpal	hm
2022-06-13 19:50:24	Elodin	gotcha
2022-06-13 19:50:28	Elodin	faillock
2022-06-13 19:50:44	Elodin	i was having a hard time having the right term to search
2022-06-13 19:51:03	Vorpal	Elodin: do you have something unusual in /etc/sudoers ? It shouldn't be related, but just in case
2022-06-13 19:51:14	Vorpal	and can you post /etc/pam.d/sudo
2022-06-13 19:54:31	ishan	hey, The problem was with systemd-resolved. `dig` actually talks to `systemd-resolved` and this tries to do some other stuff when my DNS server returns REFUSED for a query 
2022-06-13 19:54:45	ishan	dig @10.0.99.3 AAAA jiomart.com responds instantly 
2022-06-13 19:54:58	ishan	And `REFUSED` was the incorrect response to return here so I changed it to `NOERROR` 
2022-06-13 19:59:43	Vorpal	ah
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2022-06-13 20:25:21	pulec	can I restart a pci-e card, as in reinitialize? 
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2022-06-13 20:26:25	Vorpal	pulec: I think some cards do support that? Also some are buggy about it (some AMD graphics cards?)
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2022-06-13 20:26:59	Vorpal	and I believe there is also multiple levels it can happen on, like a hot restart or full power cycling
2022-06-13 20:27:02	pulec	it's a SCSI controller
2022-06-13 20:27:11	Vorpal	hm don't know
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2022-06-13 20:31:40	pulec	no definitive answer https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/73908/how-to-reset-cycle-power-to-a-pcie-device
2022-06-13 20:31:41	phrik	Title: How to Reset/Cycle Power to a PCIe Device? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
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2022-06-13 21:17:59	pulec	this should work: echo "1" > /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000\:03\:00.0/reset
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2022-06-13 21:19:28	susi	how does the bootloader know where/which initramfs to load if the cmdline lacks initrd= ?
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2022-06-13 21:20:35	susi	grub, for example
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2022-06-13 21:23:15	susi	oh, right
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2022-06-13 21:23:30	artefact	i think it can be hardcoded when compiling the kernel (same for cmdline)?
2022-06-13 21:23:37	susi	there's initrd line in grub.cfg :)
2022-06-13 21:23:52	artefact	there's also unified images
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2022-06-13 21:25:15	progandy	as far as I know with the initrd line grub loads the image into memory and tells the kernel where to find it through the boot protocol
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2022-06-13 21:43:26	v0n	0.0.0.0:80 is already in use, how can I know what is bound to it?
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2022-06-13 23:09:33	xecuter	https://pastebin.com/DjsjHgbG that and so i get in lutris after reboot in lutris if i start battle.net and starcraft 2
2022-06-13 23:09:34	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/ou8k.txt
2022-06-13 23:09:34	phrik	Title: /.local/share/lutris/runners/wine/lutris-ge-6.16-1-x86_64/bin/wine /home/xecuter - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-06-13 23:09:55	xecuter	i had reboot for RAM OC in UEFI
2022-06-13 23:10:40	Vorpal	okay, so the reboot was unrelated then?
2022-06-13 23:11:05	Vorpal	I misread your earlier message about that, sorry
2022-06-13 23:11:27	Vorpal	xecuter: it is complaining about some DLLs. Could it be that is the issue
2022-06-13 23:11:36	Vorpal	why do you suspect vulkan-radeon specifically?
2022-06-13 23:12:10	Vorpal	could it have been something else updating, maybe starcraft 2 itself?
2022-06-13 23:12:17	Vorpal	or the kernel?
2022-06-13 23:12:20	xecuter	i just  ehmmm guess... amdvlk i never used.
2022-06-13 23:12:59	Vorpal	sorry, didn't follow that
2022-06-13 23:13:35	Vorpal	anyway what happens after those messages? does wine exit or crash? does it hang?
2022-06-13 23:13:48	thurstylark	it's saying module not found and talking about dll files. I don't think I'd jump to amdvlk as the issue
2022-06-13 23:13:58	xecuter	crash to desktop
2022-06-13 23:13:59	Vorpal	thurstylark: exactly
2022-06-13 23:14:16	Vorpal	xecuter: hm, but wine itself doesn't crash does it? I don't see a line about segfault
2022-06-13 23:15:08	xecuter	i just now, today in the morning i could play..... afternoon after the reboot. it is no more possible
2022-06-13 23:15:40	xecuter	and i seed just that vulkan-radeon was updated last saturday
2022-06-13 23:16:21	Vorpal	xecuter: right, how long since you last rebooted? If there was a pending kernel update that been pending for several days for example
2022-06-13 23:16:27	susi	where are those .dlls it reports missing?
2022-06-13 23:16:38	Vorpal	but you could try downgrading of course
2022-06-13 23:17:14	xecuter	i do not know something about *.dlls sry
2022-06-13 23:17:32	xecuter	if i downgrade, i NEEd reboot? or can i testing it prompt?
2022-06-13 23:17:58	thurstylark	it's also trying to lauch Battle.net.exe... Seeing how ...*ahem* "robust".... these stupid game launchers seem to be built, I'd start with reinstalling the launcher and/or game
2022-06-13 23:17:59	Vorpal	I don't know, depends on what type of package vulkan-radeon is
2022-06-13 23:18:22	Vorpal	anyway, good night
2022-06-13 23:19:06	xecuter	i had reinstall lutris and changed the lutris wine versions
2022-06-13 23:19:21	thurstylark	ok. lutris != the game...
2022-06-13 23:21:12	xecuter	ok, if you not know, than hmmm i have no bugs!:D
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2022-06-14 01:04:40	user9d	where is the channel that talks about the dash shell?
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2022-06-14 01:04:40	Namarrgon	user9d: /msg alis list dash
2022-06-14 01:04:40	user9d	I'm furious that I've invested 8 years in bash when I should've spent it all on dash. I mean the bash terminal is great. But 71% of the shell scripts in /bin/ are ran with dash and I want all of my scripts to be production-ready off-hand.
2022-06-14 01:04:40	Scimmia	user9d: what distro are you on?
2022-06-14 01:04:40	user9d	Scimmia: well I'm about to get into Arch but I'm currently in Debian
2022-06-14 01:04:40	user9d	Scimmia: I gotta prepare a little before booting into the Arch liveISO
2022-06-14 01:04:40	Scimmia	that explains why you think that
2022-06-14 01:04:40	user9d	Scimmia: what do you mean? arch uses a different terminal/tty/login shell?
2022-06-14 01:04:40	Namarrgon	arch's sh is handled by bash, not that it matters when you want to intentionally want to limit yourself to sh
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2022-06-14 01:04:40	Namarrgon	you understand that scripts usually set a shebang to whatever interpreter they were written against and that this is unrelated to a user's login shell?
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2022-06-14 01:21:28	user9d	s/simple script those$/simple scripts though/
2022-06-14 01:21:55	britney	i like fish shell
2022-06-14 01:22:26	Scimmia	user9d: got an example where it is a problem?
2022-06-14 01:32:41	user9d	Scimmia: I just checked the man page of dash and it looks pretty bash-compatible. However, I'm still 71%sure including dash scripts into a bash terminal (ie. `. with_dash_shebang.sh` is 3% dangerous. It's one of those things never goes wrong theoretically..until on-the-field the space ship columbia explodes.
2022-06-14 01:33:46	topcat001	ok so bash might not be 100% compatible with dash
2022-06-14 01:33:48	user9d	s/3% dangerous/3% dangerous)/
2022-06-14 01:33:58	heat	dash is 100% compatible with bash
2022-06-14 01:34:03	topcat001	what is your point exactly :)
2022-06-14 01:34:05	heat	but not the other way around
2022-06-14 01:34:24	topcat001	I repeat my question louder in light of heat's comment
2022-06-14 01:34:56	heat	user9d is making up probabilities
2022-06-14 01:35:26	heat	POSIX sh is a well understood concept
2022-06-14 01:35:43	heat	I recommend you take a look at the POSIX spec if you don't believe me
2022-06-14 01:35:58	topcat001	I believe you
2022-06-14 01:36:04	heat	not you, user9d
2022-06-14 01:36:10	user9d	topcat001: my point is..........................................I wish dash and bash were merged into a bash-posix-mode and a bash
2022-06-14 01:36:35	heat	dash and bash are very different shells, have different code, different origins
2022-06-14 01:36:36	thurstylark	bash has a posix mode tho?
2022-06-14 01:36:41	heat	bash has a posix mode too but it's crap
2022-06-14 01:37:34	topcat001	ok but how is that better in practice than !#/bin/sh ?
2022-06-14 01:37:54	topcat001	Sure would be nice to have a perfect bash --posix
2022-06-14 01:47:01	JTL	1wee
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2022-06-14 02:08:58	thurstylark	or anything written in PHP, IMO :P
2022-06-14 02:09:02	⚡ 	thurstylark ducks
2022-06-14 02:09:02	topcat001	well dash is available in arch, just not as /bin/sh. So most dash scripts would work and can be published with a small note to adjust
2022-06-14 02:09:14	topcat001	s/most/all/
2022-06-14 02:09:39	heat	user9d, prepare yourself for a heart attack
2022-06-14 02:09:41	topcat001	nothing really works across all distros without absolutely no change
2022-06-14 02:09:47	heat	there are like 9 actively used shells
2022-06-14 02:09:49	heat	all different
2022-06-14 02:09:53	user9d	thurstylark: popularity..............great. popularity....POPULARITY..so like WHAT...hmm? WHAT? wtf is popular? The guys in charge declared that crap 20 years ago.
2022-06-14 02:10:05	thurstylark	wat
2022-06-14 02:10:14	user9d	grep awk sed bash dash wget curl
2022-06-14 02:10:20	user9d	firefox google-chrome
2022-06-14 02:10:20	topcat001	things were much worse in proprietary unix times
2022-06-14 02:10:26	user9d	chromium weechat
2022-06-14 02:10:47	heat	topcat001, right. user9d can't handle two xD
2022-06-14 02:12:03	user9d	thurstylark: don't explode my slurpped strings
2022-06-14 02:12:09	topcat001	I'm probably being a little insensitive. I don't see this because I have Arch, CentOS, Ubuntu, Fedora (for work purposes), Open/NetBSD (at home), then AIX, etc. so I'm used to these things.
2022-06-14 02:12:24	⚡ 	thurstylark is having trouble parsing the message through the rage...
2022-06-14 02:13:06	topcat001	They are all so different. Even things like ksh and cash behave in subtly different ways.
2022-06-14 02:13:21	topcat001	I guess I just adapt quietly now :)
2022-06-14 02:13:41	topcat001	At some point in the past I might have had strong feelings about this.
2022-06-14 02:14:30	heat	i don't see how you can have strong feelings about this
2022-06-14 02:14:56	heat	"UNIX" is just a collection of systems that diverged way back in the past
2022-06-14 02:14:57	topcat001	hmmm maybe never did, right
2022-06-14 02:15:19	heat	POSIX tries to get some semblance of unity, but it still obviously has flaws
2022-06-14 02:15:36	thurstylark	snap and flatpak are two projects that are wholly concerned about nullifying distro differences. Cross-distro shell script compatibility is an issue that just comes with the territory.
2022-06-14 02:16:00	thurstylark	(containers as a concept could arguably be lumped in with that group too)
2022-06-14 02:16:15	user9d	heat: I met a guy on linux mint forums that had a github page that had the best perl + bash code I've ever seen. I don't think ANY of it made to ANY distro repos....what the FUDGE. How is that happening? HOW. What a waste.....of everything.......what a waste of being trash forever no matter HOW good you are.
2022-06-14 02:16:33	thurstylark	wat
2022-06-14 02:16:42	heat	why would a distro use his scripts
2022-06-14 02:16:54	JTL	user9d: well, what did they do?
2022-06-14 02:16:54	user9d	heat: because his code was distro related
2022-06-14 02:17:08	heat	plenty of reasons to not get code merged
2022-06-14 02:17:22	heat	maybe they /werent/ the best code
2022-06-14 02:17:30	topcat001	this should go to offtopic
2022-06-14 02:17:31	heat	maybe that stuff should be better done by a program and not a script
2022-06-14 02:17:52	⚡ 	thurstylark rarely writes things for the express purpose of others using it...
2022-06-14 02:18:00	thurstylark	that shit usually costs money :P
2022-06-14 02:18:05	heat	+1
2022-06-14 02:18:05	topcat001	same
2022-06-14 02:18:39	heat	i write stuff because 1) fun 2) learning exercise 3) maybe one day someone will find what I wrote useful
2022-06-14 02:19:24	thurstylark	yeah, if anything, my public repos are reference and resume. 
2022-06-14 02:20:04	thurstylark	if someone uses it, that's fine, but that's not what they're *for*
2022-06-14 02:21:40	thurstylark	they're worth something to me because it solves a problem that I have, and I put effort into it. I don't consider a repo's worth by how many stars or forks or downloads it gets.
2022-06-14 02:21:58	user9d	heat: exactly: personal consumption. Maybe a new fresh bash alias, bash function, something to plop into your $PATH, or to read through and find something interesting in the source like how it executes curl/wget E.G. or HTTP URL links to monger E.G. or what am I missing?
2022-06-14 02:23:07	user9d	topcat001: are we still offtopic? i can't tell
2022-06-14 02:23:14	heat	yes, very much so
2022-06-14 02:23:43	thurstylark	eh, as long as we're not stepping on someone needing help, it's less of an issue, but yeah, it's not strictly on topic :P
2022-06-14 02:26:30	user9d	how often does arch update its packages + depedency updates on average with just a bare-bones liveISO/liveUSB setup?
2022-06-14 02:26:39	thurstylark	monthly
2022-06-14 02:27:00	user9d	ok that's not too bad. I was afraid it was gonna be daily or something
2022-06-14 02:27:02	thurstylark	well, that's when the live iso is released, if that's what you're asking
2022-06-14 02:27:10	⚡ 	thurstylark isn't entirely sure that's what you're asking
2022-06-14 02:27:27	thurstylark	packages are updated constantly
2022-06-14 02:27:34	heat	^^
2022-06-14 02:27:38	heat	there's no release cycle
2022-06-14 02:27:42	thurstylark	yep
2022-06-14 02:27:58	BrainDamage	there's release cycle for the iso, which is snapshotting the stable repos
2022-06-14 02:28:19	heat	stable repos?
2022-06-14 02:28:33	BrainDamage	all repos but [testing]
2022-06-14 02:28:34	thurstylark	s/stable/non-testing/ :P
2022-06-14 02:28:59	heat	ah lol
2022-06-14 02:29:48	thurstylark	(they are actually referred to as the stable repositories, tho)
2022-06-14 02:30:27	user9d	I mean when I download a package from the repos...I want it to be installable for as long as possible...because when the liveISO/liveUSB gets killed from a laptop/PC shutdown..and I reboot into the liveISO I want to reinstall the base system with the downloaded repos...offline...and then when I want to download a new package to install and keep it doesn't pull in 1000000000 updates. Because how
2022-06-14 02:30:29	user9d	am I suppose to keep the offline packages from going out-of-control? If the offline packages are out of control when I restart my computer with a fresh liveISO/liveUSB I'll have to install 10000 packages just to install vim E.G. Which.....isn't good.
2022-06-14 02:30:57	user9d	BrainDamage: oh yay I think that's what I want.
2022-06-14 02:31:23	BrainDamage	user9d: you'll have to install 10000 packages to get vim
2022-06-14 02:31:35	BrainDamage	because arch doesn't support partial updates
2022-06-14 02:32:03	user9d	oh man this feels -3%good
2022-06-14 02:33:35	thurstylark	the goal for the stable repos is to be as stable as possible at *any* specific point in time. Things that need a mass update of multiple packages will be put through a testing or staging repo before being released into the stable repos, so as long as your package cache was pulled all at once, you should be fine to do offline installs like that
2022-06-14 02:34:44	thurstylark	now, things roll fast, and package maintainers are indeed human, so that's not *always* the case, but because things roll fast, maintainers are able to fix broken things pretty quickly once they know about them.
2022-06-14 02:36:59	thurstylark	!sos
2022-06-14 02:37:00	phrik	_Never_ -Sy when installing! https://gist.github.com/vodik/5660494
2022-06-14 02:37:28	user9d	can you install a specific version of a package with pacman, or does it just pull/install the latest version of the package? Because if I can get a specific version of a package I can create a "frozen" repository by only using the versions that are when I start downloading/installing packages.
2022-06-14 02:37:32	thurstylark	^give this a read for a narrative on the wrong way of doing package updates for an explanation
2022-06-14 02:38:17	thurstylark	there is an archive server that can serve you specific package versions, but that's mainly a troubleshooting tool
2022-06-14 02:38:41	user9d	the archive server....that is key.
2022-06-14 02:39:14	thurstylark	the repos (and by extension, their mirrors) only serve the latest version of each package they contain.
2022-06-14 02:40:01	user9d	alright so when I boot into arch liveISO/liveUSB and try to install vim how much of my system should I expect to update?
2022-06-14 02:40:51	thurstylark	also, just the act of doing a full update all but creates that frozen repository via package cache
2022-06-14 02:41:28	thurstylark	You should always be prepared to update all packages when doing a full update
2022-06-14 02:42:10	user9d	thurstylark: wait what. I'm 13%confused. The package cache is the latest repo packages online + what should already been installed from the ISO/liveISO/liveUSB, right?
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2022-06-14 02:59:14	user9d	topcat001: I don't know what to CTRL+F look for. It would be 17%wasting my time. Why would I read sentence by sentence when half the shit I don't need right now or ever?
2022-06-14 02:59:32	heat	you're obssessed with percentages btw
2022-06-14 02:59:44	Namarrgon	so that you're prepared when you actually need that shit
2022-06-14 02:59:45	thurstylark	then play with it in a VM to figure out what you don't know yet
2022-06-14 02:59:45	topcat001	!bail
2022-06-14 02:59:46	phrik	Looks like topcat001 is bailing out on this one - good luck!
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2022-06-14 03:00:10	heat	the arch iso has a squashfs image of the base system + union mount of tmpfs
2022-06-14 03:00:14	heat	!bail
2022-06-14 03:00:14	phrik	Looks like heat is bailing out on this one - good luck!
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2022-06-14 03:00:28	xnovax	user9d: im pretty sure you should actually read the full thing because it describes exactly the things you said you wanted to do
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2022-06-14 03:01:58	thurstylark	arch is more of a Try It And See experience. There is so much that it's capable of that it's nearly impossible to pre-research everything you might need before switching to it.
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2022-06-14 03:02:21	thurstylark	and yeah, in the case of archiso, the wiki page does indeed cover these questions you're asking about it.
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2022-06-14 04:44:31	tmpm697	i also got this error when i do *microk8s.reset*: sudo: symbol lookup error: /snap/core18/current/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0: undefined symbol: __libc_vfork, version GLIBC_PRIVATE
2022-06-14 04:45:07	tmpm697	above error can cause the issue that microk8s.reset did not does its jobs to remove all resources?
2022-06-14 04:50:40	thurstylark	Seeing as snapd is in the aur, and k8s is its own whole ball of fuckery, this might best be asked somewhere more specific to k8s, microk8s, or snap instead of here
2022-06-14 04:51:06	thurstylark	snap is supposed to take the distro-specificity out of the distro anyways :P
2022-06-14 04:53:00	thurstylark	I'd probably go for a microk8s-specific space first, since both it and snap are canonical things :P
2022-06-14 04:55:33	tmpm697	thanks, but i can't find a good microk8s irc channel to ask, and seem the error related to os-specific?
2022-06-14 04:57:24	thurstylark	yeah, well, that's canonical for you, I guess :|
2022-06-14 04:57:35	thurstylark	what about this points to this being an issue with Arch?
2022-06-14 04:58:15	thurstylark	it seems to be complaining about an undefined symbol that's shipped in a snap package, no?
2022-06-14 04:59:44	rxfh	minikube on arch works great. just sayin'
2022-06-14 05:00:00	bougyman	minikube is a shit-show.
2022-06-14 05:00:06	tmpm697	thurstylark: yeah idk much about programing
2022-06-14 05:00:08	bougyman	k3s is a better option.
2022-06-14 05:00:29	tmpm697	bougyman: thought microk8s is the best?
2022-06-14 05:00:38	thurstylark	"best" is relative
2022-06-14 05:00:49	tmpm697	and why hate on snap? it package all things together?
2022-06-14 05:00:53	bougyman	microk8s and k3s are both adequate. I don't call any of those things "the best"
2022-06-14 05:00:57	rxfh	we all have our opinions? not like its hard to spin up a kubeadm cluster, kubespray, whatever.
2022-06-14 05:01:06	bougyman	k8s ecosystem is a complexity of complexities.
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2022-06-14 05:22:17	tmpm697	time for #kind :(
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2022-06-14 07:57:56	HaMsTeRs	Hey guys, I'm trying out i3wm (i3-gaps actually), but I'm facing two issues:   1. I'm using alacritty, not sure why that opacity: 0.9 doesn't work.  I couldn't make terminal transparent.  2. I'm using i3blocks, mine's super ugly.  any suggestion could make it more beautifuer ?  thanks
2022-06-14 07:59:28	chewing_bever	HaMsTeRs: for the second question, i suggest using i3status or i3status-rs instead, they're imo a lot nicer
2022-06-14 07:59:45	susi	i3status-rs ^^
2022-06-14 08:00:11	susi	i3status is pretty limited, but -rs has it all
2022-06-14 08:00:12	HaMsTeRs	chewing_bever: do you have any screenshots that could share?  (hightlighted pretty once)
2022-06-14 08:01:09	thurstylark	don't you need a compositor to do transparency like that?
2022-06-14 08:02:26	HaMsTeRs	i got captom installed (coptam, coptom something liek that)
2022-06-14 08:02:28	susi	but with i3wm, "transparency" will do; not real transparency, but like 'URxvt.transparent: true' works
2022-06-14 08:02:46	susi	because you're not gonna move windows around nor stack them on top of each other
2022-06-14 08:03:46	HaMsTeRs	main reason I choose alacritty it's because alacritty-theme :)
2022-06-14 08:04:02	HaMsTeRs	not sure urxvt , terminator has something similar
2022-06-14 08:04:06	thurstylark	compton? isn't that picom now?
2022-06-14 08:04:44	HaMsTeRs	ohhh, so that means I installed something ancients?
2022-06-14 08:04:51	thurstylark	how did you install it?
2022-06-14 08:05:19	thurstylark	`pacman -S compton` should install picom unless you used something like an AUR package
2022-06-14 08:06:10	HaMsTeRs	i actually yay (aur) lol
2022-06-14 08:06:37	HaMsTeRs	removing it and reinstall picom now
2022-06-14 08:07:06	thurstylark	there isn't a "compton" package in the aur, though... 
2022-06-14 08:07:17	thurstylark	there's compton-old-git...
2022-06-14 08:07:34	chewing_bever	HaMsTeRs: i found https://github.com/greshake/i3status-rust/wiki/Showcase on the official gh, but there's a lot more you can do it with it
2022-06-14 08:07:34	thurstylark	which is ...ya know... old :P
2022-06-14 08:08:16	HaMsTeRs	chewing_bever: that's beautiful
2022-06-14 08:08:30	chewing_bever	yup, and it's really fast
2022-06-14 08:09:20	chewing_bever	most blocks are also preconfigured settings, stuff like cpu & gpu usage, time, ram etc. so you rarely have to do anything manually besides adding the block types you want to the config
2022-06-14 08:09:27	thurstylark	idk how yay resolves things like this, but assuming it handles provides correctly across the official repos and the aur, you should have had to choose one of several packages that provide compton if you just specified compton to install..
2022-06-14 08:13:26	thurstylark	pacman would have favored community/picom if you just accepted the default when presented with the choice
2022-06-14 08:14:04	HaMsTeRs	double checked, seem I installed picom, not yay
2022-06-14 08:14:12	HaMsTeRs	*from pacman not yay
2022-06-14 08:14:18	HaMsTeRs	not form yay imean
2022-06-14 08:14:48	thurstylark	ahh, then check if picom is running
2022-06-14 08:15:34	thurstylark	I don't think any DM does that by default, and I *know* i3 doesn't do that
2022-06-14 08:15:38	chewing_bever	you'll probably have to start it from your i3 config, that's what i do
2022-06-14 08:15:42	thurstylark	^
2022-06-14 08:15:59	chewing_bever	"exec --no-startup-id picom -b --config ~/.config/picom.conf --experimental-backends"
2022-06-14 08:16:20	egl	^ thats a good place to place it so you know it will restart when you reload the wm (i3)
2022-06-14 08:16:52	chewing_bever	i thought exec calls didn't rerun when you restart i3?
2022-06-14 08:16:59	egl	tho, that is correct yes
2022-06-14 08:17:20	chewing_bever	otherwise, there would be at least one application that misbehaves & starts running multiple times
2022-06-14 08:17:23	HaMsTeRs	you mean i3-msg restart ?
2022-06-14 08:17:57	chewing_bever	HaMsTeRs: you can also just bind "restart" (without the i3-msg) to a keybind
2022-06-14 08:18:08	chewing_bever	"bindsym $mod+Shift+r restart" in my case
2022-06-14 08:19:16	HaMsTeRs	that restart the entire arch like reboot?   or that's something like i3-msg restart
2022-06-14 08:19:50	chewing_bever	no that's just the i3 restart, you've also got "reload" if you only wish to reload the config file
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2022-06-14 08:41:32	HaMsTeRs	thanks chewing_bever
2022-06-14 08:43:13	chewing_bever	yw
2022-06-14 08:44:14	susi	exec_always is for things that you want to restart when i3's reloaded
2022-06-14 08:54:43	HaMsTeRs	thanks susi.  I'll take note
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2022-06-14 09:25:25	mpan	Perhaps one needs an actual APL keyboard for that? :D
2022-06-14 09:26:18	artefact	my bad. i can still type it though :D https://bepo.fr/wiki/Touches_mortes#Symboles_scientifiques
2022-06-14 09:27:34	susi	I thought about putting all APL symbols under my Compose key
2022-06-14 09:28:12	susi	noticed en_US.UTF-8/Compose already had all them defined, and got confused
2022-06-14 09:28:23	mpan	artefact: nah, not meaning you did something wrong. The symbols are almost identical in rendering. Just noting that in case someone would try to type delta and see no effect.
2022-06-14 09:29:16	bookworm	homoglyphs are a pain...
2022-06-14 09:29:17	artefact	i should have looked more closely. foiled by unicode again
2022-06-14 09:30:52	susi	that bepo seems interesting
2022-06-14 09:31:33	susi	how does it implement those different 'modes of operation' for altgr
2022-06-14 09:31:34	mpan	ⵠ
2022-06-14 09:31:43	mpan	U+2D60 TIFINAGH LETTER YAV
2022-06-14 09:31:53	artefact	susi: what do you mean?
2022-06-14 09:32:01	artefact	it's just another modifier (called iso level3 shift in xkb)
2022-06-14 09:33:00	artefact	if you don't mostly type french, i wouldn't recommend bépo. i switched to it in 2007-2008, but i mostly type english now
2022-06-14 09:34:03	susi	so that altgr+s+q =  β but altgr+d+q is a scientific operator, something dead key magic probably... 
2022-06-14 09:34:54	artefact	not magic. just a dead key
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2022-06-14 09:59:51	jelle	Santzes: well a VNC install would be the same as a regular installation just through VNC
2022-06-14 10:01:41	Santzes	yeah, I just think there's a lot of setting up to do with network etc without the ready image
2022-06-14 10:03:25	spare	boot whatever they have copy your image over, fall back to the recovery shell, mount it copy the image to ram, dd the storage medium, copy the image on to it, then resize partitions and filesystems
2022-06-14 10:04:04	jelle	Santzes: really depends on their network config
2022-06-14 10:04:45	jelle	with hetzner it's just dhcp
2022-06-14 10:07:22	artefact	it's not too hard to install arch from another linux
2022-06-14 10:07:51	jelle	artefact: why bother when you can load the iso?
2022-06-14 10:25:27	xnovax	why bother with the iso, when you can just use an already running linux distro? loading the iso would mean rebooting, or running it in a vm and possibly additional network configuration.. using an iso is good for when you dont have linux running already on the system you want to install arch to. 
2022-06-14 10:26:09	xnovax	using the iso is essentially just booting linux, to install linux. which is kind of not necessary when you already have linux booted :>
2022-06-14 10:27:46	artefact	but you're doing an in-place install. it's easier to f*ck up
2022-06-14 10:27:59	icar	How can you do, from barebones sh, bash -c "cmd1 cmd2" but each cmd in a different line?
2022-06-14 10:28:00	artefact	or you can cheat and do partitions+resize
2022-06-14 10:29:03	artefact	icar: what are you trying to do? can you share the script you're trying to write?
2022-06-14 10:29:09	xnovax	icar: using \ ? like bash -c "cmd1 \
2022-06-14 10:29:10	xnovax	cmd2"
2022-06-14 10:29:22	artefact	or just \n
2022-06-14 10:29:50	icar	It's a Gitlab CI yml file
2022-06-14 10:30:55	jelle	icar: then you are doing something weird
2022-06-14 10:30:59	Santzes	artefact: that's what I'm not sure about.. if it's fuk up once and contact support, no thanks
2022-06-14 10:31:24	jelle	icar: just use - | 's syntax
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2022-06-14 10:31:25	Santzes	but at the same time.. if I don't try, I don't see myself running Ubuntu server after one month
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2022-06-14 12:06:48	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-14 12:09:25	krumelmonster	I need some help, NetworkManager set up a dns server for a network connection that doesn't exist anymore so DNS resolution fails.
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2022-06-14 12:10:10	krumelmonster	This always happen when I connect to the internet using the usb-tethering function of my android phone and unplug the phone while this connection is still activated in nm
2022-06-14 12:11:18	MrElendig	set up static dns?
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2022-06-14 12:12:58	krumelmonster	MrElendig doing that in networkmanager won't help because the DHCP-DNS is just fine but somehow the system just keeps using the old dns server which is not available anymore. I could reboot to fix this (as I've done a few times before) but I'm the middle of something and I'd rather find a solution instead of wasting my time saving all progress
2022-06-14 12:13:17	MrElendig	no need to reboot to change the dns
2022-06-14 12:13:28	krumelmonster	How do I change the dns outside networkmanager?
2022-06-14 12:13:54	artefact	brute force way? echo "namesevrer $x" > /etc/resolv.conf; chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
2022-06-14 12:13:57	MrElendig	why change it outside?
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2022-06-14 12:14:16	MrElendig	set the correct one in the connection profile
2022-06-14 12:14:44	MrElendig	unless you do something like ^ or have another conflicting network management tool running nm will switch it just fine
2022-06-14 12:14:52	krumelmonster	MrElendig because nm is unaware it left the dns of the old wired connection and that old dns seems to beat the one set up by my home wifi
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2022-06-14 12:15:21	MrElendig	changing dns on connection switch works fine for me
2022-06-14 12:15:21	krumelmonster	I'm pretty sure this is a bug in nm, probably related to the fact that this whole usb tethering business is a bit weird
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2022-06-14 12:16:34	krumelmonster	artefact: indeed resolv.conf this contains the nameservers from (long gone) usb-tethering network connection
2022-06-14 12:17:29	krumelmonster	removing those fixed my issue
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2022-06-14 12:18:46	krumelmonster	they're still listed in `nmcli` command output in the DNS configuration section though. I should probably try to write a bug report some time
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2022-06-14 12:25:36	teraflops	mira es como en gnome https://paste.priet.us/20220614_10h23m22s_grim.png
2022-06-14 12:25:46	teraflops	ouch, sorry
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2022-06-14 12:26:59	ℹ 	cdown_ es conocido ahora como cdown
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2022-06-14 12:29:44	docmax	anyone running arch linux on steam deck?
2022-06-14 12:29:58	jelle	it does by default :-)
2022-06-14 12:30:17	teraflops	yeah I thought they run arch, or it was arch based distro?
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2022-06-14 12:30:28	lzodd	arch based to be precise
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2022-06-14 12:44:16	psychotron	How can I get old sda to work as sdb?
2022-06-14 12:44:33	Namarrgon	by not relying on the kernel names
2022-06-14 12:44:36	psychotron	what do I have to do to grub?
2022-06-14 12:44:44	Namarrgon	to grub?
2022-06-14 12:45:03	Namarrgon	maybe start at the beginning of this story
2022-06-14 12:45:36	susi	use UUIDs, `lsblk --fs`
2022-06-14 12:45:38	psychotron	well, I have a thinkpad that has two spaces for harddrives
2022-06-14 12:45:54	psychotron	X220
2022-06-14 12:46:56	psychotron	one in the bay and one inside
2022-06-14 12:47:08	psychotron	bay is /dev/sdb
2022-06-14 12:47:22	psychotron	sda is inside
2022-06-14 12:47:33	psychotron	Now I have arch on sdb
2022-06-14 12:47:39	lzodd	kernel names can change, don't rely on them.. as already said, UUIDs are the way to go
2022-06-14 12:47:51	psychotron	I use uuids
2022-06-14 12:48:57	Namarrgon	and what is the problem?
2022-06-14 12:49:05	psychotron	I already got the arch on first drives grub, but it is stuck on the beginning of the boot
2022-06-14 12:49:36	psychotron	It does not go forward
2022-06-14 12:50:30	psychotron	grub detected the drive while it was mounted
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2022-06-14 12:51:23	psychotron	I think that it is this way because it used to be sda
2022-06-14 12:52:16	psychotron	It used to be first drive on this T60 laptop
2022-06-14 12:52:32	psychotron	Now it is sdb on X220
2022-06-14 12:53:07	Namarrgon	grub will list them in the order they were initialized it, you shouldn't rely on that order since it depends on the hardware and can randomly change
2022-06-14 12:54:25	Namarrgon	is grub installed to both disk's mbr?
2022-06-14 12:54:42	Namarrgon	does the x220 support uefi?
2022-06-14 12:54:55	psychotron	both is on
2022-06-14 12:55:05	psychotron	the arch has no uefi
2022-06-14 12:55:31	Namarrgon	"both is on"?
2022-06-14 12:55:31	psychotron	grub is also on the arch drive
2022-06-14 12:55:40	Gagis	you may need to reinstall or reconfigure grub on the new system by chrooting into the installation
2022-06-14 12:55:41	psychotron	legacy and uefi in bios
2022-06-14 12:56:48	Gagis	and do please double check that your /etf/fstab has lines in the form of "UUID=asd /boot ext4 defaults 0 2" instead of "/dev/sda /boot ..."
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2022-06-14 12:59:37	Namarrgon	is there a good reason to have it on both drives?
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2022-06-14 13:01:08	shevchuk	!paste
2022-06-14 13:01:08	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-06-14 13:07:09	psychotron	fstab has uuid on fstab
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2022-06-14 13:07:40	psychotron	wha
2022-06-14 13:07:44	psychotron	damn
2022-06-14 13:07:56	psychotron	fstab has uuid
2022-06-14 13:08:03	psychotron	on sdb
2022-06-14 13:08:19	Namarrgon	grub doesn't use your fstab
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2022-06-14 13:09:27	psychotron	I don't remember how chroot works
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2022-06-14 13:09:50	psychotron	did it once on install
2022-06-14 13:10:22	thurstylark	then reference the install guide to help you
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2022-06-14 18:27:37	Vorpal	tirnanog: the problem with that is that it is not portable across distros. I have looked at a portable way to set env vars per user, that would work for both graphical and ssh logins. Best I came up with was source a common file from .zshenv and .xprofile. For wayland? No clue
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2022-06-14 18:29:09	tirnanog	Vorpal: /etc/environment should be fairly portable but, as concerns user_readenv, yes indeed. I don't have any better suggestions, alas.
2022-06-14 18:30:30	Vorpal	tirnanog: I ssh to computers where I don't have root sometimes, so no-go
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2022-06-14 18:30:52	Vorpal	and I use chezmoi to manage common dotfiles across everything pretty much
2022-06-14 18:31:07	Vorpal	for my own stuff it is easy enough to make things work
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2022-06-14 18:31:31	tirnanog	anyway, for now, it still works in arch.
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2022-06-14 18:45:06	Vorpal	right
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2022-06-14 18:50:54	Edu4rdSHL	That's because Arch doesn't have bugs
2022-06-14 18:51:04	Edu4rdSHL	phrik, bugs
2022-06-14 18:51:05	phrik	Bugs?! Arch Linux has no bugs! Oh.. wait.. https://bugs.archlinux.org
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2022-06-14 18:52:49	MacGyver	Arch doesn't have bugs, arch has areas of potential improvement.
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2022-06-14 18:59:14	LimeOn	Hello, when i runy # pacman -Syu i got the following error=   "error: failed retrieving file 'core.db' from MIRRORURL : SSL certificate problem: certificate has expired" Do i have to remove that mirror website or this will not change much in updates?
2022-06-14 18:59:27	LimeOn	where MIRRORURL is the URL of the mirror
2022-06-14 18:59:46	Scimmia	Pick a different mirror
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2022-06-14 19:00:18	LimeOn	i have a list, does it affects my update in some way? or pacman will pick the next valid mirror?
2022-06-14 19:00:21	LimeOn	Scimmia
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2022-06-14 19:03:50	Edu4rdSHL	pacman will pick the next mirror in the mirrorlist.
2022-06-14 19:04:19	LimeOn	I see, Thank you Edu4rdSHL, Scimmia :)
2022-06-14 19:04:20	Edu4rdSHL	And that shouldn't affect your update, but it's better if you have a good one in the first place
2022-06-14 19:04:33	MacGyver	LimeOn: Also make sure your local system time is correct.
2022-06-14 19:04:42	MacGyver	Or at least ballpark the correct date.
2022-06-14 19:04:56	LimeOn	it worked well until today, that dropped that message
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2022-06-14 19:05:15	LimeOn	Maybe they will fix the certificate thing soon
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2022-06-14 19:05:50	MacGyver	If a mirror has let a certificate expire I wouldn't hold my breath.
2022-06-14 19:05:52	MrElendig	!mirrorstatus
2022-06-14 19:05:53	phrik	Check the status of the mirrors here: https://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/status/
2022-06-14 19:06:10	MacGyver	But having an incorrect local time is the *other* option, so make sure it's correct.
2022-06-14 19:06:13	MrElendig	MacGyver: couchMICROSOFTcough
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2022-06-14 19:07:14	Vorpal	I thought you could set windows to use UTC for system time via some registry key. I think I did that
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2022-06-14 19:07:28	LimeOn	Well, the cert page status drops the same message i recieved, i think its a server problem
2022-06-14 19:07:32	LimeOn	thanks phrik
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2022-06-14 19:08:53	omegatron	is  https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/palp/  actually buildable for someone? trying to build it from source like the PKGBUILD file instructs leads to  unknown symbols  on my machine ..!? ( and there are no bug reports avaialble for this package )
2022-06-14 19:08:54	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - palp 1:2.20-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-06-14 19:09:24	LimeOn	lol
2022-06-14 19:09:27	LimeOn	thanks MrElendig
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2022-06-14 19:10:11	artefact	omegatron: works for me. gcc 12.1
2022-06-14 19:10:25	Vorpal	omegatron: when you say "trying to build it from source like" do you mean using makepkg or trying to copy the steps by hand?
2022-06-14 19:10:36	omegatron	hmm, well that's strange  (gcc 11.2.0 here)
2022-06-14 19:10:43	grym	jelle: alternatively, what's the cgroups v2 version of cgroup/memory/memory.limit_in_bytes
2022-06-14 19:10:50	gehidore	omegatron what are you building it from?
2022-06-14 19:11:31	Vorpal	omegatron: try pacman -Syu to update to the latest GCC, though I doubt that is the problem. Strange that you are still on GCC 11 though
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2022-06-14 19:13:24	gehidore	and then there was silence
2022-06-14 19:13:36	Vorpal	odd
2022-06-14 19:13:46	omegatron	build manually .. my system here is similar to Arch, but systemd-free (and therefore no pacman et al.) .. the nature of the build error shouldn't be dependending if pacman or not:   https://bpa.st/2RHA
2022-06-14 19:13:47	phrik	Title: View paste 2RHA (at bpa.st)
2022-06-14 19:13:54	MrElendig	LimeOn: lower score == better
2022-06-14 19:13:56	omegatron	(because I had to prepare the paste)
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2022-06-14 19:14:09	Namarrgon	your system is just unsupportable, that's all
2022-06-14 19:14:14	gehidore	^
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2022-06-14 19:14:34	omegatron	I mean sure, the build script works until the end, but there are two build errors ..
2022-06-14 19:14:41	Edu4rdSHL	It's building fine here, so yes, it's your problem
2022-06-14 19:14:48	omegatron	ok, interesting
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2022-06-14 19:15:32	Vorpal	omegatron: I would guess that you might have done something wrong, that patching step looks a bit complicated. Double check your steps and good luck, but yeah we can't support other distros here
2022-06-14 19:15:57	omegatron	that is the PKGBUILD file  - verbose
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2022-06-14 19:16:43	omegatron	(just the for loop, which compiles the files four time, of course)
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2022-06-14 19:18:31	Edu4rdSHL	omegatron, as told before, your system is not supported here.
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2022-06-14 19:19:35	omegatron	yeah I know - but since it's possible that people make mistakes and palp is maybe a not so often used software, this one might have slipped through  and I only wanted the confirmation, that the error is, as it seems, on my side ..
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2022-06-14 19:20:21	omegatron	which is no problem, when I know it is - but if it were NOT on my side, I would have reported a build error - that's all
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2022-06-14 19:22:37	mizuu	tryna install arch along side windows 11 on the same disk, and the wiki says to use the same ESP that came with the windows install. now i just mount and checked the size, looks like 67M/260M is used, will that be sufficient?
2022-06-14 19:23:20	Edu4rdSHL	Yes
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2022-06-14 19:23:46	Tom^	mizuu: depends if you place your kernels there or not, then its gonna run out of space once you install -lts -zen -xanmod -ck -tkg
2022-06-14 19:23:48	MacGyver	Depends on how many kernels you intend to install.
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2022-06-14 19:24:00	MacGyver	With that amount of space, two is already pushing it.
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2022-06-14 19:24:09	Vorpal	if you use grub with a separate boot partition, it will be fine
2022-06-14 19:24:20	Vorpal	or I guess kernels on EFI with a single kernel
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2022-06-14 19:25:43	mizuu	grub with separate boot partition is what ill go with then
2022-06-14 19:26:21	Scimmia	unless you're encrypting root, or using some odd filesystem, a separate boot partition is unnecessary
2022-06-14 19:26:52	Vorpal	right, if you use grub I guess you don't need it for a basic install
2022-06-14 19:26:58	Vorpal	forgot about that since I always do encrypted
2022-06-14 19:27:45	MacGyver	People shouldn't be using grub for the most part anyway.
2022-06-14 19:27:58	MacGyver	Its complexity is only necessary for a select few usecases.
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2022-06-14 19:28:33	MacGyver	*One* of which is encrypted boot, the other is a too-small ESP to hold the kernels & initramfs's.
2022-06-14 19:28:48	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL using 156M in /boot with 3 kernels installed + UEFI things
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2022-06-14 19:29:34	MacGyver	I should check the actual space used by mine; it's about 100M per kernel if fallback initramfs is turned on.
2022-06-14 19:29:52	Edu4rdSHL	I also have fallback there, but each one is like 20/30M
2022-06-14 19:30:01	Scimmia	it apparently balloons pretty good if you add nvidia to it, though
2022-06-14 19:30:05	Vorpal	my boot (separate from efi and using grub) is 175 MB, single kernel
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2022-06-14 19:30:08	MacGyver	Interesting -- my fallback for linux is 64M.
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2022-06-14 19:30:16	MacGyver	And this machine doesn't have Nvidia.
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2022-06-14 19:30:27	MacGyver	I *do* put amdgpu in though.
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2022-06-14 19:30:35	Vorpal	doesn't fallback include most modules?
2022-06-14 19:30:43	Vorpal	as in, it turns off autodetect hook
2022-06-14 19:30:49	Scimmia	most modules needed for block access
2022-06-14 19:30:51	psychotron	I got the boot working had to disable the fingerprint sensor from login file
2022-06-14 19:30:54	Vorpal	ah okay
2022-06-14 19:31:04	mizuu	i'm a little confused as to what to do now, i'm thinking grub because i'll mostly end up adding a third os (ubuntu) later on
2022-06-14 19:31:21	psychotron	now I have booted arch from sdb on X220
2022-06-14 19:31:26	Edu4rdSHL	MacGyver, https://paste.rs/YEB
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2022-06-14 19:32:17	MacGyver	mizuu: Then unless you want to spend the time growing your ESP to a size where it can take all the kernels of all the OSs and configure systemd-boot for it, yeah, probably want Grub and keep /boot on the root partition of the OS.
2022-06-14 19:32:35	MacGyver	mizuu: The complexity of Grub may be worth it for you then.
2022-06-14 19:32:58	Scimmia	rEFInd is also an option, as is a XBOOTLDR partition
2022-06-14 19:33:30	MacGyver	Edu4rdSHL: My lts is 37M for the initramfs and 55M for the fallback.
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2022-06-14 19:33:54	MacGyver	Edu4rdSHL: Quite possibly that's amdgpu ballooning it up.
2022-06-14 19:34:16	mizuu	MacGyver: right. i have past experience with grub so ill go with that. thanks!
2022-06-14 19:34:29	Edu4rdSHL	MacGyver, yeah, surely. I actually use a Nvidia GPU but I don't add that to modules :p
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2022-06-14 19:35:04	Edu4rdSHL	Also, I use the systemd hook, it helps a bit
2022-06-14 19:35:04	redbees	Not sure if there is a more appropriate channel to ask about this, but I'm trying to set up rocm-arch so that I can use HIP with my AMD card. Following the instructions on the github, it seemed to partially build but then failed to install some packages with a generic error. After doing this, HIP was available as an option in Blender but trying to use it would make compilation immediately fail.
2022-06-14 19:35:04	redbees	I ran the command to build the packages again 
2022-06-14 19:35:04	redbees	and it seemed to be trying to build something, but after several hours it had barely made any progress so I stopped it and have since removed all of the packages that were installed. I also tried using the (out of sync) binary repos but some packages were failing to install because of conflicts.
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2022-06-14 19:39:20	Vorpal	"failed to install some packages with a generic error" is very imprecise
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2022-06-14 19:42:49	susi	there seems to be a certain limit to battery level so that below it the system won't suspend to ram, nor even try to
2022-06-14 19:43:02	susi	what may control this? I have not set any such limits
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2022-06-14 19:44:15	redbees	Vorpal: I know, unfortunately I don't have the original logs anymore, so I'm just taking a shot in the dark to see if anyone else has had a similar issue before I build it again just to see the error message.
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2022-06-14 19:44:46	Vorpal	susi: what does it do instead? hibernate?
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2022-06-14 19:45:05	Vorpal	also normally those things are controlled from your DE preferences, such as gnome or KDE
2022-06-14 19:45:49	Vorpal	redbees: I have nvidia, and I do all my 3D work in CAD software. Not much help unfortunately
2022-06-14 19:45:54	susi	Vorpal: nothing
2022-06-14 19:46:11	MacGyver	susi: I've coded this myself in the past in my ACPI-based suspend script; I haven't seen it as part of systemd-sleep.conf
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2022-06-14 19:46:41	Vorpal	oh yeah, systemd might do something too
2022-06-14 19:46:46	Vorpal	check the man page
2022-06-14 19:46:47	MacGyver	susi: It sounds like you may have a combination of a "below this level you MUST hibernate" along with "hibernate is disabled".
2022-06-14 19:47:11	redbees	Is there a channel which is more specific to AMD GPUs/GPU compute/ROCm?
2022-06-14 19:47:12	MacGyver	susi: The former would be configured in the DE, the latter might be systemd or simply a matter of not having enough swap space.
2022-06-14 19:47:52	Vorpal	or not having a resume parameter set for the kernel
2022-06-14 19:48:11	susi	it does suspend always when there's enough battery, it's about <5% or such that it won't even try
2022-06-14 19:48:15	Vorpal	I think that is still needed?
2022-06-14 19:48:28	susi	this is i3 and I just don't know where I would have configured any such limits
2022-06-14 19:48:31	Vorpal	susi: I think MacGyver's hypothesis is plausible
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2022-06-14 19:48:40	mizuu	okay this is really a dumb question but im having a hard time figuring out the swap partition size. i have a 16 gb ram, and i recall having a 6 gb swap on my last laptop which had 8 gb ram
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2022-06-14 19:48:59	Vorpal	susi: /etc/systemd/sleep.conf probably
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2022-06-14 19:49:37	susi	nothing there, only uncommented line is [Sleep], and none of those commented lines has anything to do with battery levels
2022-06-14 19:49:38	Vorpal	mizuu: do you plan to hibernate?
2022-06-14 19:49:48	susi	but there's a possibility I could have scripts written by MacGyver 
2022-06-14 19:50:07	Vorpal	susi: if that is the case, throw the computer in the fire and run
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2022-06-14 19:50:16	MacGyver	susi: In that case, look in /etc/acpi/; that's where they'll be.
2022-06-14 19:50:19	Vorpal	can't trust a Norwegian ;)
2022-06-14 19:50:32	MacGyver	Vorpal: I'm legally obligated to tell you I'm Dutch, btw.
2022-06-14 19:50:34	Vorpal	oh wait, I'm confusing people
2022-06-14 19:50:36	Vorpal	sorry
2022-06-14 19:50:37	Vorpal	my bad
2022-06-14 19:50:45	Vorpal	MacGyver: I confused you with MrElendig for some reason
2022-06-14 19:50:50	mizuu	 Vorpal: no i dont want hibernate
2022-06-14 19:50:50	susi	okay, /etc/acpi does not exist, so nope
2022-06-14 19:50:57	MacGyver	Vorpal: Understandable, we're both awesome and all-knowing.
2022-06-14 19:51:04	Vorpal	exactly
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2022-06-14 19:51:17	gromit	So have put my env vars in /etc/environment for PAM to read them, but they are not made availiable in my user session ... Sadly I have no experience whatsoever with PAM, so is there anything I have to do that these are loaded? 
2022-06-14 19:51:29	Vorpal	mizuu: then it matters less. My current desktop has 32 GB RAM and 4 GB swap. I could probably use much less swap than that
2022-06-14 19:51:56	susi	must be a kernel feature, then?
2022-06-14 19:52:01	Vorpal	gromit: did you reboot?
2022-06-14 19:52:13	gromit	Vorpal: yes I did
2022-06-14 19:52:18	Vorpal	gromit: how do you login?
2022-06-14 19:52:26	MacGyver	susi: Honestly, not sure, and I don't have time to dig into it with you right now. I'd see if I can find which /proc-files reflect the current allowed configuration for hibernating.
2022-06-14 19:52:31	Vorpal	because /etc/environment worked well for me
2022-06-14 19:52:42	MacGyver	susi: (I have to write and print an exam that should be submitted yesterday)
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2022-06-14 19:53:11	susi	MacGyver: just this one tip: don't do anything that you could do tomorrow
2022-06-14 19:53:29	gromit	Vorpal: using the ly login manager, but thanks for the pointer, there are warnings regarding pam_env in its log.
2022-06-14 19:53:30	MacGyver	susi: Indeed, but I could've done this tomorrow two days ago.
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2022-06-14 19:53:41	MacGyver	susi: (Basically I *really* need to finish this now)
2022-06-14 19:53:50	MacGyver	susi: (Otherwise students on Friday may not have an exam to make)
2022-06-14 19:53:51	gromit	I will debug that a little :D
2022-06-14 19:53:56	redbees	mizuu: You can always start out with no swap and make a swap file later if you end up needing it- you likely won't come close to swapping, and if you are doing something very RAM intensive you will exceed a small swap partition quickly
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2022-06-14 19:55:24	susi	MacGyver: man's gotta do what a man's gotta do :> stop chatting and get into work, now!
2022-06-14 19:55:44	MacGyver	Gotta order pizza first though.
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2022-06-14 19:56:17	Vorpal	yeah I guess the main reason for swap partition these days is hibernation
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2022-06-14 19:57:19	MacGyver	No.
2022-06-14 19:57:22	MacGyver	Don't make *no* swap.
2022-06-14 19:57:32	⚡ 	MacGyver comes back for a second to save mizuu from a terrible mistake.
2022-06-14 19:57:49	MacGyver	There's a degenerative case you *will* hit, and hit *hard*, when you run out of RAM on a swapless machine.
2022-06-14 19:57:50	artefact	no swap is not optimal, but it's fine. swap is not a "get out of memory pressure free" card
2022-06-14 19:58:02	susi	mizuu: https://haydenjames.io/linux-performance-almost-always-add-swap-space/
2022-06-14 19:58:03	phrik	Title: Linux Performance: Why You Should Almost Always Add Swap Space (at haydenjames.io)
2022-06-14 19:58:14	artefact	i'd honestly rather have the oom kill whatever is killing my machine, rather than having to wait 30 mins for it to respond to my SIGINT
2022-06-14 19:58:16	MacGyver	Basically, your machine is likely to stall for up to half an hour before the memory killer actually gets around to killing anything.
2022-06-14 19:58:47	redbees	earlyoom helps with that
2022-06-14 19:58:48	redbees	https://github.com/rfjakob/earlyoom
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2022-06-14 19:59:04	MacGyver	The fix is twofold: have *some* swap, and set vm.min_free_kbytes = 112640 or slightly higher in sysctl.d
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2022-06-14 19:59:30	Vorpal	how does android do it I wonder, they don't have swap afaik.
2022-06-14 19:59:47	MacGyver	It might be enough to do the min_free_kbytes without swap, but I haven't tested that setup.
2022-06-14 19:59:49	artefact	i don't even know how to get into serious memory pressure nowadays
2022-06-14 20:00:12	MacGyver	artefact: Just run 4 browser sessions with 50 tabs each, you'll run out of 32GiB easily.
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2022-06-14 20:00:31	Vorpal	artefact: virtual machines?
2022-06-14 20:00:38	susi	Vorpal: I grep'd my phone's last_kmsg, there's kswapd and task:swapper/0
2022-06-14 20:00:48	MacGyver	susi: kswapd is always active.
2022-06-14 20:00:57	Vorpal	susi: huh
2022-06-14 20:01:07	Vorpal	well my phone is rooted, I'll ssh in and take a look
2022-06-14 20:01:09	MacGyver	(Which is part of why it doesn't help you to not have any swap at all)
2022-06-14 20:01:13	Warepire	Vorpal: They have their own system manager that handles oom stuff. Other Linux based embedded systems rarely have swap as well, but those are more controlled in what processes are run, so the problem is "solved" before it happens.
2022-06-14 20:01:19	MacGyver	(The swap subsystem is active regardless)
2022-06-14 20:01:39	MacGyver	(Also note that kswapd is part of in-memory compression)
2022-06-14 20:01:53	Vorpal	Warepire: ah
2022-06-14 20:01:55	MacGyver	Or maybe only if you run that through zswap and not zram...
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2022-06-14 20:02:21	susi	Vorpal: https://0x0.st/oucz.txt
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2022-06-14 20:02:50	MacGyver	Anyway, I make sure to always have at least a small swap file (though I hibernate, so in reality I have giant swap partitions) and set vm.min_free_kbytes to some sensible amount.
2022-06-14 20:02:52	Vorpal	indeed
2022-06-14 20:02:57	Vorpal	susi: similar on mine
2022-06-14 20:03:13	Vorpal	I wonder if it is flash-backed or compressed ram or something
2022-06-14 20:03:40	MacGyver	Right, back to ordering pizza.
2022-06-14 20:03:41	Vorpal	swapon is buggered because android and can't show what I want
2022-06-14 20:04:05	susi	>[    9.315957,4] zram0: detected capacity change from 0 to 1073741824
2022-06-14 20:04:06	MacGyver	Vorpal: /sys/kernel/debug/ ?
2022-06-14 20:04:19	Vorpal	yes, it has that
2022-06-14 20:04:23	MacGyver	Vorpal: If your phone is rooted there might be interesting stuff to see there.
2022-06-14 20:04:29	Vorpal	no zswap though
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2022-06-14 20:04:41	susi	seems to have a zram
2022-06-14 20:04:44	MacGyver	Vorpal: Yeah looks like it's zram.
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2022-06-14 20:04:52	Vorpal	I straced swapon -s on desktop. apparently /proc/swaps
2022-06-14 20:04:54	MacGyver	Not sure where zram statistics are.
2022-06-14 20:04:57	Vorpal	yes zram
2022-06-14 20:05:07	Vorpal	/dev/block/zram0                        partition	2150396	9968	32758
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2022-06-14 20:05:43	Vorpal	I wonder if my older android tablet also uses that
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2022-06-14 20:05:58	susi	http://ix.io/40am
2022-06-14 20:06:07	susi	see that
2022-06-14 20:06:08	Vorpal	seems so
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2022-06-14 20:06:31	Vorpal	termux is weird by the way
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2022-06-14 20:08:21	Vorpal	MacGyver: there is a *lot* more things in /sys/kernel/debug on my oneplus 6 than on my arch desktop
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2022-06-14 20:08:55	jirido	Hi. if someone here use chromium.. Can you save a picture and rename it with out this damned autofill/search function hijack the focus? Is there any known way to turn this off without stomping madly on the computer?
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2022-06-14 20:09:04	element	When is KDE 5.25 coming to Arch?
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2022-06-14 20:09:57	Vorpal	element: it is in testing already
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2022-06-14 20:09:58	tirnanog	it has, though presently in testing.
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2022-06-14 20:10:19	Warepire	Added to testing today even.
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2022-06-14 20:10:25	element	Cool, can't wait. I hear there's ton of cool features and new stuff
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2022-06-14 20:13:35	Vorpal	oh? such as?
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2022-06-14 20:15:20	artefact	based on version number, it's 0.19% better!
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2022-06-14 20:16:55	element	There's some new color, look and feel customizations, touchpad gestures and Discover is also updated
2022-06-14 20:16:57	ℹ 	Trashlord__ es conocido ahora como Trashlord
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2022-06-14 20:17:30	powerman2206	So Audacity needs libavformat.so.58 to work but Arch's ffmpeg has libavformat.so.59 and Audacity doesn't work with it
2022-06-14 20:17:32	plasma	:)
2022-06-14 20:17:34	powerman2206	What do
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2022-06-14 20:18:09	ℹ 	nac9 es conocido ahora como nac
2022-06-14 20:18:09	ℹ 	veecue_ es conocido ahora como veecue
2022-06-14 20:18:09	ℹ 	cereal_poster4 es conocido ahora como cereal_poster
2022-06-14 20:18:09	ℹ 	dabbill_ es conocido ahora como dabbill
2022-06-14 20:18:09	ℹ 	semiote8 es conocido ahora como semiote
2022-06-14 20:18:09	ℹ 	Baphomet7 es conocido ahora como Baphomet
2022-06-14 20:18:09	ℹ 	faiden_ es conocido ahora como faiden
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2022-06-14 20:18:31	Warepire	And if you are on the latest Audacity, file a bug report (and optionally rebuild Audacity yourself until the bug is resolved)
2022-06-14 20:18:44	◣	pspacek (~Thunderbi@2a02:8308:a185:1800:72f9:578a:c917:cae6) ha salido (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2022-06-14 20:18:54	Vorpal	isn't it audacity that can't be updated because license changes upstream?
2022-06-14 20:19:12	artefact	still, i think sobumps trigger recompiles
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2022-06-14 20:20:03	Warepire	powerman2206: And make sure to update the whole system, not just audacity.
2022-06-14 20:20:58	Vorpal	also sometimes repos are out of sync, e.g a mirror might have mismatching core and community
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2022-06-14 20:21:15	Vorpal	this bit me with a recent linux and nvidia upgrade
2022-06-14 20:21:21	◣	HeartsDo|M| (heartsdo@miraheze/HeartsDo) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-06-14 20:21:40	artefact	heh. that's why dkms is good
2022-06-14 20:21:45	⚡ 	Warepire is spoiled by living less than 10 kilometers from a really good mirror
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2022-06-14 20:21:58	Vorpal	artefact: yes. But would be nice if mirrors weren't out of sync
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2022-06-14 20:23:04	artefact	weird that nvidia doesn't depend on the specific linux package it was built for
2022-06-14 20:23:11	artefact	at least pacman would complain if you upgrade one w/o the other
2022-06-14 20:23:36	◣	Szadek (~Szadek@194.36.25.47) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
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2022-06-14 20:24:48	Vorpal	artefact: I agree. I filed a bug about that. Several other users joined in and agreed. Then the bug was closed.
2022-06-14 20:24:51	Vorpal	without a fix
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2022-06-14 20:25:02	Vorpal	or explanation. wtf
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2022-06-14 20:25:47	gromit	Vorpal: thank you for your help earlier! The problem was that I had put my configuration in /etc/environment instead of /etc/security/pam_env.conf and it therefore didnt work! 
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2022-06-14 20:26:27	gehidore	!welcome nitdega 
2022-06-14 20:26:29	Vorpal	gromit: uh, /etc/environment should work
2022-06-14 20:26:29	phrik	gehidore: BLEEP BLOOP
2022-06-14 20:26:34	gehidore	doh
2022-06-14 20:26:37	gehidore	!give nitdega welcome
2022-06-14 20:26:38	phrik	nitdega: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-06-14 20:26:58	◣	element (~element@user/element) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-06-14 20:27:09	Vorpal	gromit: that makes no sense reading the man page for pam_env...
2022-06-14 20:27:23	gromit	Vorpal: not if you want to use the "XDG_CONFIG_HOME DEFAULT=@{HOME}/.config" type of syntax ... 
2022-06-14 20:27:37	mizuu	im back with another silly question, is it necessary to create a separate boot partition for grub or does specifying the boot directory under a single root partition suffice?
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2022-06-14 20:27:59	artefact	you don't need a separate /boot partition
2022-06-14 20:28:11	artefact	unless you use a filesystem not supported by grub (reiser4?)
2022-06-14 20:28:14	raster	not necessary to have a separate /boot anymore...
2022-06-14 20:28:16	Vorpal	gromit: oh, right, yeah I think /etc/environment is just literal
2022-06-14 20:28:49	raster	(once apon a time lilo + a bios could maybe only access the first N space on your hdd and thus you had to limit where the boot partition was) also - limited fs support
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2022-06-14 20:30:58	Vorpal	so a KDE dev asked me to test if a bug is still in 5.25. How do I pull KDE from testing for this without pulling other things from testing?
2022-06-14 20:31:09	Edu4rdSHL	You don't
2022-06-14 20:31:11	Vorpal	oh
2022-06-14 20:31:18	Edu4rdSHL	You use or not use testing :p
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2022-06-14 20:31:32	Vorpal	Edu4rdSHL: then I'll tell them I'll test it as soon as it is stable in arch
2022-06-14 20:31:39	artefact	if you use btrfs, you can snapshot / and revert back later to no [testing]
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2022-06-14 20:31:53	Vorpal	true, I do use btrfs and snapper is set up.
2022-06-14 20:31:53	Edu4rdSHL	You can manually retrieve the packages and install them, but that is not a good practice, they may be build against libraries in testing and will not work
2022-06-14 20:31:57	Warepire	Vorpal: Mixing testing packages with normal ones are just another kind of partial update. If you're concerned about messing up your system by installing testing you could set up a VM maybe?
2022-06-14 20:32:01	gromit	Vorpal: that would be the equivalent of a partial upgrade and not really a reliable test  
2022-06-14 20:32:07	artefact	or make a quick install on another drive, or in a vm
2022-06-14 20:32:09	gromit	!slow
2022-06-14 20:32:09	phrik	You're way too slow
2022-06-14 20:32:12	gromit	:D
2022-06-14 20:32:13	Vorpal	right
2022-06-14 20:32:28	Vorpal	it could work for a single leaf package, definitely not the full KDE though
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2022-06-14 20:51:11	powerman2206	Warepire: ye I always do that
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2022-06-14 20:51:27	powerman2206	But- hm, lemme try reflector
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2022-06-14 20:51:39	powerman2206	Though I doubt the repos are out of sync since this has been an issue for a while
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2022-06-14 20:52:10	powerman2206	Does nobody else have it? 'Cause like, the number of Arch users who regularly update and also use Audacity has to larger than just me
2022-06-14 20:53:05	Vorpal	powerman2206: I don't really use it much, but it opens at least
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2022-06-14 20:53:22	Vorpal	do you need to do something special to trigger that error
2022-06-14 20:53:34	Warepire	powerman2206: You can check the installed package version againt the arch web
2022-06-14 20:53:50	Warepire	To see if you're behind
2022-06-14 20:53:53	Vorpal	it doesn't link to the library so I assume it must be dlopened
2022-06-14 20:54:03	Vorpal	if it is used
2022-06-14 20:54:13	Vorpal	or via some plugin or something
2022-06-14 20:54:30	powerman2206	Vorpal: just open any file
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2022-06-14 20:55:22	powerman2206	Warepire: yep, I'm on the latest one, 1:2.4.1-7
2022-06-14 20:55:27	Vorpal	powerman2206: just opened an .ogg without issues
2022-06-14 20:55:41	Vorpal	plays just fine
2022-06-14 20:56:09	powerman2206	Hm, yeah, works for me too
2022-06-14 20:56:13	powerman2206	Try mp3
2022-06-14 20:56:13	tirnanog	works fine here too. I used scanelf to peruse all of the provided binaries and none of them link to the older version of libavformat.
2022-06-14 20:56:51	Vorpal	powerman2206: only specific file formats?
2022-06-14 20:56:58	demonicmaniac	powerman2206: install ffmpeg4.4
2022-06-14 20:57:11	powerman2206	Probably just those that Audacity doesn't understand and needs ffmpeg for them
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2022-06-14 21:01:24	ℹ 	veegee_ es conocido ahora como veegee
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2022-06-14 21:03:27	powerman2206	demonicmaniac: ayeaye, thanks
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2022-06-14 21:04:32	Vorpal	hm, odd it has an optional dep on ffmpeg not ffmpeg4.4
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2022-06-14 21:04:44	Vorpal	that might be a bug
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2022-06-14 21:05:28	powerman2206	Well in any case it's been flagged out of date since- JUNE 2020?!?
2022-06-14 21:05:33	powerman2206	That doesn't seem right
2022-06-14 21:05:51	Vorpal	powerman2206: hostile license change upstream, update not possible apparently
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2022-06-14 21:05:57	Vorpal	there are community forks of it though
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2022-06-14 21:06:02	Vorpal	I don't know all the details
2022-06-14 21:06:04	powerman2206	Yes I rember
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2022-06-14 21:08:50	powerman2206	Hm, there seems to be tenacity, but development's dead
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2022-06-15 10:44:39	wuyi	endre, i tried gparted, fdisk, cfdisk - all same result: Reported Success, but no success.
2022-06-15 10:45:44	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-06-15 10:46:27	endre	dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 count=1 && dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 count=1 | hexdump -C
2022-06-15 10:46:46	endre	if it is anything else than 0x00, then.. 
2022-06-15 10:46:49	endre	ditch that card
2022-06-15 10:46:57	endre	or sd writer?
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2022-06-15 10:47:18	endre	i would not think it's the writer, sd is an SPI after all
2022-06-15 10:47:19	dpirate_	usually those mmcblk things are soldered on board 
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2022-06-15 10:51:23	wuyi	!paste
2022-06-15 10:51:23	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-06-15 10:52:31	wuyi	endre, https://paste.rs/XFF - certianly not 0x00
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2022-06-15 10:52:59	wuyi	the writer is buildin/soldered (t460)
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2022-06-15 10:53:40	wuyi	I guess, I go shopping for a new card then :) But it is weird no error is reported anywhere 
2022-06-15 10:53:56	endre	nice
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2022-06-15 10:56:51	lash	actually mkfs.ext3 doesnt work aswell, command completes, but when I try to write to device there is no space left.
2022-06-15 10:56:55	lash	weird
2022-06-15 10:57:07	lash	are there usb storage devices that somehow refuses use of ext fs?
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2022-06-15 11:00:52	vqueiroz	Apparently X.org is still the most stable way of using GNOME? What'd be the most stable and reliable way of using Wayland in Linux?
2022-06-15 11:01:44	ugjka	the last time i tried x session in gnome the graphics were lagging
2022-06-15 11:01:44	teraflops	vqueiroz: if you do not use nvidia (e.g intel igpu) the wayland experience on gnome is quite good
2022-06-15 11:02:05	vqueiroz	In my case, I use NVIDIA
2022-06-15 11:02:09	Gagis	yeah, at least when I last tried it was all three of gnome, wayland and nvidia that had issues together, especially with electron apps
2022-06-15 11:02:11	teraflops	that's the reason
2022-06-15 11:02:23	vqueiroz	So I am using X.org
2022-06-15 11:02:58	vqueiroz	And apparently I also have an Intel onboard card in my laptop. So I am not sure which is being used since I am not forcing any driver with 20-nvidia.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
2022-06-15 11:03:05	vqueiroz	nvidia-smi has output
2022-06-15 11:03:47	vqueiroz	https://termbin.com/zlxx
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2022-06-15 11:05:03	teraflops	it that's an optimus powered machine you are using the intel gpu unless you set the nvidia gpu the primary one
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2022-06-15 11:06:57	teraflops	for the record https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA_Optimus
2022-06-15 11:06:59	phrik	Title: NVIDIA Optimus - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-06-15 11:11:00	teraflops	vqueiroz: so, if I may ask, what are the issues you are facing using gnome w/ wayland on intel gpu?
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2022-06-15 11:11:46	vqueiroz	teraflops: without any config, flashing screen for example. but I am not sure if this was the NVIDIA or the Intel GPU. I am not sure how the system decides which one to use. it's an ideapad 3i
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2022-06-15 11:17:36	vqueiroz	Is Bumblebee is still a thing
2022-06-15 11:18:09	teraflops	yes look at the wiki I linked above
2022-06-15 11:19:19	teraflops	hmm flashing, I vaguely remember gnome had a key-bind that made the screen flashing
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2022-06-15 11:30:58	MrElendig	vqueiroz: use prime instead
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2022-06-15 11:34:00	vqueiroz	MrElendig: What about optimus-manager?
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2022-06-15 11:37:05	MrElendig	use prime
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2022-06-15 11:38:06	MrElendig	only if you absolutely can't get it working, then consider the optimus stuff, and then bumblebee
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2022-06-15 11:39:44	MrElendig	that is generally the least painful way
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2022-06-15 18:38:54	Scimmia	MacGyver: Start here: https://www.worktime.com/12-most-asked-questions-on-us-employee-monitoring-laws
2022-06-15 18:40:06	MacGyver	Funnily enough I was just reading something similar and what I'm seeing is still "there's rules".
2022-06-15 18:40:16	susi	I have a very weird problem when running Xorg rootless - inactive urxvt/urxvtc instances keep closing, and I have not found any reason for it, it's also not related to keypresses. the one with irssi nor the one with dmesg do not close, just inactive ones, seemingly at random intervals, but they surely do
2022-06-15 18:40:28	susi	even +hold didn't help
2022-06-15 18:42:13	MacGyver	susi: Do urxvt/urxvtc instances do anything in /tmp?
2022-06-15 18:42:25	MacGyver	And if so, if they're inactive, might they fall victim to cleaning up in /tmp?
2022-06-15 18:43:02	MacGyver	E.g. a named pipe / socket that hasn't been touched in a while is removed and that causes urxvtc to exit?
2022-06-15 18:44:02	susi	doesn't seem to matter where RXVT_SOCKET is set ($HOME or /tmp), and the same happens with urxvt (non-daemon/client) too
2022-06-15 18:44:19	susi	funny part is that it only happens when I run xorg rootless
2022-06-15 18:44:49	susi	and this one with irssi, nor the one with dmesg output, they do not close - just the ones with nothing going on
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2022-06-15 18:47:45	susi	I have also tried running with RXVT_SOCKET manually set, and made sure it does not get touched
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2022-06-15 18:50:11	susi	it almost seems like someone's randomly sending them some termination signals; could I somehow inspect what signlas a certain process receives and from whom?
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2022-06-15 18:54:35	DemonicSavage	Yo, having some insanely weird issues
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2022-06-15 18:59:42	DemonicSavage	I have two monitors, whenever I turn both of them off, the keyboard stops working.
2022-06-15 19:00:15	DemonicSavage	I thing the computer itself "shuts down" in a way, but the lights are still on...
2022-06-15 19:00:27	DemonicSavage	The monitors don't turn on again until I reboot.
2022-06-15 19:00:49	susi	MacGyver: here's `lsof -p`, anything of interest? https://0x0.st/ouMT.txt
2022-06-15 19:01:45	MacGyver	susi: Honestly don't have ideas beyond the potential clean-up in /tmp.
2022-06-15 19:01:55	cyphertite	DemonicSavage:  how is each monitor connected?
2022-06-15 19:01:58	MacGyver	Which it probably isn't if you don't have issues when not running rootless.
2022-06-15 19:02:18	DemonicSavage	cyphertite: One is DP, other is HDMI.
2022-06-15 19:02:21	MacGyver	Might want to check the journal for crashes if you haven't yet, but beyond that... I don't know.
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2022-06-15 19:05:12	DemonicSavage	I'm on AMD if it matters.
2022-06-15 19:05:21	susi	if I edit systemd/logind.conf, I guess 'loginctl terminate-user' gets it reloaded? is there any less-intrusive way to get the config reloaded?
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2022-06-15 19:05:44	Namarrgon	DemonicSavage: what do you see in the journal after you reboot?
2022-06-15 19:05:55	teraflops	are you sure the computer is not just set to suspend/hibernation and it cannot recover?
2022-06-15 19:06:26	DemonicSavage	I'm sure, I don't use suspend/hibernation.
2022-06-15 19:06:34	DemonicSavage	Namarrgon: I'll check.
2022-06-15 19:07:44	DemonicSavage	Interesting, it seems it doesn't happen every time.
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2022-06-16 07:37:27	DigitalKiwi	i forgot gotop is a thing
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2022-06-16 07:39:24	bud	for me its lxtask
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2022-06-16 07:40:50	DigitalKiwi	it's somehow worse than htop
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2022-06-16 08:40:28	susi	there's also systemd-analyze that can reveal issues on start-up/boot
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2022-06-16 09:01:17	sunyibo	in order to pair my ue boom 2, blueman asks me for a pin code, but I can't enter one on the device, because it's a speaker.
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2022-06-16 09:07:46	Cork	sunyibo: devices without an input usually have a paring mode
2022-06-16 09:08:08	wooparadog	usually, you put the device into pairing mode then pair on computer
2022-06-16 09:09:35	teraflops	sunyibo: iirc it asks the pin on computer side, which usually is 0000
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2022-06-16 09:11:23	Omnipotent	Are those generated with every new connection or set by the producer for all those devices?
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2022-06-16 09:12:11	Cork	Omnipotent: if they have a ui they can be changed, else it is always 0000 (if they have a display it can show it)
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2022-06-16 09:12:36	Omnipotent	Ah, I see
2022-06-16 09:12:48	Cork	bluetooth keyboards usually work the other way around, the computer shows the code and you need to type it in on the keyboard
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2022-06-16 10:40:36	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1447 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1447 normals)
2022-06-16 09:52:35	susi	how can speedup be >1 (1.03) when I rsync avHAX'd my system to a fresh USB stick?
2022-06-16 09:53:09	jelle	compared to?
2022-06-16 09:53:45	susi	I assumed it to be just 1 when there's not a single file present in DEST before the transfer
2022-06-16 09:54:53	susi	there's also ~4M bytes received, what are these?
2022-06-16 09:55:25	susi	this is the final output after the transfer
2022-06-16 09:59:12	mpan	susi: if you’re writing to USB stick, for smaller sizes the speed measurements are pretty meaningless. 
2022-06-16 09:59:44	mpan	The measurement makes sense only over the network or with very big data sets.
2022-06-16 10:00:31	susi	from the man, speedup value "is a ratio of the total file size divided by the sum of the sent and received bytes", so I'm thinking about if there's some corruption happened
2022-06-16 10:01:04	mpan	Oh, you mean the size difference?
2022-06-16 10:01:12	mpan	(sry, I interpreted the question as literal speed)
2022-06-16 10:03:43	xnovax	the amount of bytes sent/recv'd doesnt have to equal the actual total filesize
2022-06-16 10:04:17	xnovax	like when you see total size, versus size on the disk
2022-06-16 10:05:12	xnovax	depending on what filesystem you use, will cause the size on disk to varie
2022-06-16 10:06:59	xnovax	a 100 byte file, could take 512 bytes on the actual disk for example
2022-06-16 10:08:18	susi	what would be 'the best' way to check that for example src-/etc and dest-/etc are equal, or whatever src-foo/ and dest-foo/
2022-06-16 10:08:40	xnovax	diff ?
2022-06-16 10:08:52	xnovax	not exactly sure what you mean by equal, in what metric?
2022-06-16 10:09:34	xnovax	if you just mean the actual file sizes, a file manager, or even ls would do probably
2022-06-16 10:09:42	xnovax	ls -l
2022-06-16 10:09:44	susi	so that the contents of src-foo are present uncorrupted in dest-foo
2022-06-16 10:10:10	susi	uncorrupted and in whole
2022-06-16 10:10:10	xnovax	rsync should give errors with ur flags i think
2022-06-16 10:10:15	xnovax	if there was something going wrong
2022-06-16 10:10:31	xnovax	but you can just check the checksums of things
2022-06-16 10:10:55	susi	how would you checksum this?
2022-06-16 10:10:59	xnovax	im not sure about a tool that does it all for you, but you could probably easily make a simple bash script to do it
2022-06-16 10:11:06	xnovax	check each file
2022-06-16 10:11:10	xnovax	individually
2022-06-16 10:11:12	mpan	`find . -type f -exec sha1sum {} \+ | sort` to create checksums, executed from the corresponding top directory of source and destination. Check for differences.
2022-06-16 10:11:26	xnovax	there u go ^^
2022-06-16 10:11:47	mpan	That will miss empty directories and not recognize symlinks as symlinks, but ensures the data itself is preserved.
2022-06-16 10:13:04	mpan	Before starting the operation in your shell, please read carefully each word I said in that sentence and each sign used in the code. Or you may find yourself spending next hour on hashing files, just to realize you hashed a wrong thing.
2022-06-16 10:13:18	susi	okay, diffing find . -type f -execdir sha1sum '{}' \+ | sort is probably a good way
2022-06-16 10:17:00	susi	(or maybe even \;)
2022-06-16 10:27:09	mizuu	i discovered that my new laptop only supports s2idle but not s3 (it's a hp pavilion gaming laptop) but suspending my machine at night completely drains the battery :/ what wld be the best option to conserve power while its suspended?
2022-06-16 10:28:27	jelle	mizuu: amd?
2022-06-16 10:29:14	mizuu	intel i7-11370H and it's an optimus machine with nvidia 3050 graphics
2022-06-16 10:30:57	mizuu	dmesg | grep -i acpi | grep supports reports only s0 s4 and s5 are available
2022-06-16 10:31:22	jelle	mizuu: that's fine, the kernel should turn your devices into sleep mode
2022-06-16 10:32:24	jelle	which seems to not work for you
2022-06-16 10:32:34	mizuu	jelle: it does go to sleep with the power led blinking when i run systemctl suspend but the laptop stays warm and the battery drain is real
2022-06-16 10:32:50	jelle	mizuu: yes
2022-06-16 10:35:35	mizuu	this handicaps my workflow because i take my laptop to school and it wld be a disaster to open the lid with a drained out battery
2022-06-16 10:35:35	jelle	mizuu: that's what I am saying, it seems that the kernel is not powering down your devices when it goes to sleep  (previously the bios used to do this)
2022-06-16 10:37:18	mizuu	jelle: this happends with the lid close functionality on windows 11 too (i dual boot)
2022-06-16 10:37:45	mizuu	the battery just drains out 
2022-06-16 10:38:26	mizuu	i have an another hp laptop with s3 enabled which barely makes a dent on the battery overnight
2022-06-16 10:38:45	physkets	Anyone using oath-toolkit ( https://www.nongnu.org/oath-toolkit/ ) ?
2022-06-16 10:38:47	phrik	Title: OATH Toolkit (at www.nongnu.org)
2022-06-16 10:39:08	physkets	I was using it to generate TOTPs, and after some point, it no longer generates the correct ones
2022-06-16 10:39:47	physkets	    oathtool -b --totp "abcdefgh"
2022-06-16 10:39:58	physkets	This^ is how I use it.
2022-06-16 10:40:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-16 10:42:50	jelle	mizuu: so the issue is in windows too?
2022-06-16 10:44:01	mizuu	jelle: yes, although i have yet to try leaving it overnight on windows
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2022-06-16 10:46:57	mizuu	i'm okay with pretty much every other aspect of the laptop (even the dysfunctional optimus chip) but suspend is pretty essential to me and it kinda sucks that deep sleep is disabled
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2022-06-16 10:50:17	susi	mizuu: cat /sys/power/mem_sleep
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2022-06-16 10:51:10	mizuu	susi: [s2idle]
2022-06-16 10:51:19	susi	mizuu: no word 'deep' at all?
2022-06-16 10:51:25	mizuu	no :(
2022-06-16 10:51:29	susi	weird
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2022-06-16 10:51:56	raster	mizuu: you probably need to identify what is not being powered down. i might suspect it's your nvidia chip. if you can turn that off and not even power it up and not use the driver and just live off your intel gpu - try that. at least it might help eliminate it as the issue
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2022-06-16 10:52:56	susi	if I were you I'd check for settings concerning this in UEFI setup
2022-06-16 10:53:04	xnovax	perhaps its disabled in your bios or uefi 
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2022-06-16 10:53:51	mizuu	susi xnovax: i tried looking that up and the hp bios settings are very limited and there is no relevant option i could find
2022-06-16 10:53:52	susi	pretty sure your system does support other than s2idle, but for reason or another it's not available in its current configuration state
2022-06-16 10:54:15	susi	mizuu: what laptop model it is?
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2022-06-16 10:54:46	mizuu	raster: hp pavilion 15-dk2096TX
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2022-06-16 10:55:00	⚡ 	jelle feels bad for gaming laptoppers
2022-06-16 10:55:10	susi	mizuu: cat /sys/power/state
2022-06-16 10:55:46	mizuu	 susi: freeze mem disk
2022-06-16 10:56:07	raster	susi:  i wouldn't be so sure. i've had a device that doesn't do s3 (deep)  - it was an explicit design choice to move sleeping into the os so it can rapidly wake up or do invisible wakeups to "fetch email" in the background etc. - you need to use the freeze sleeps that have kernel halt userspace etc. but it could be some devices are being ignored
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2022-06-16 10:56:43	raster	the "idea" was that you keep e.g. wifi on even when alseep. you set your wifi chip into a low pwoer mode but keep it active and then sleep. similar with bluetooth too etc.
2022-06-16 10:56:56	jelle	raster: yes, this is becoming more common :)
2022-06-16 10:56:58	susi	that's horribly. so I need to check for s3 availability if I ever buy a new laptop
2022-06-16 10:57:10	jelle	susi: no, the kernel should just power down all devices
2022-06-16 10:57:10	raster	susi: yes.
2022-06-16 10:57:14	raster	OR ...
2022-06-16 10:57:28	raster	you need to wait for all of the software world above to settle and become better at this.
2022-06-16 10:57:35	susi	no, I want s3
2022-06-16 10:57:38	raster	jelle:  it SHOULD... but the problem is it may not :)
2022-06-16 10:57:53	jelle	raster: yup
2022-06-16 10:58:11	raster	but this whole new world of sleeping is more akin to what mobiles/tablets do.
2022-06-16 10:58:13	jelle	raster: well my strategy is buying whatever kernel devs work on :P
2022-06-16 10:58:42	⚡ 	mizuu has no idea what to do now 
2022-06-16 10:58:57	susi	mizuu: just trash the laptop and get a new, older one
2022-06-16 10:59:22	raster	it certainly is far more flexible. the idea is a good one. for example - you can keep the screen on. if you have an oled screen it can possibly even do self-refresh. you power down your whole display unit, your gpu, cpu - keep wifi/bt on to handle incoming interrupts and you can appear to be on - but just be waiting on input.
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2022-06-16 11:00:09	jelle	mizuu: did you try disabling your nvidia graphics?
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2022-06-16 11:00:12	raster	so these kind of modes could even be used invisibly without "closing the lid" to save power when a system is idle and known to stay pretty idle for a while (you might just be reading a document)
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2022-06-16 11:00:40	jelle	raster: just give me eink ;-)
2022-06-16 11:00:45	susi	raster: but then again, couldn't it still support s3, or does it require so much extra effort from the manufacturer?
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2022-06-16 11:01:07	mizuu	jelle: i tried installing optimus-manager to do just that, but i was slammed with another bug https://github.com/Askannz/optimus-manager/issues/448
2022-06-16 11:01:23	jelle	susi: some models can with bios hacks
2022-06-16 11:01:26	raster	susi: that requires the oem support s3 in the bios. if they chose that the product is to use the idle supprot in windows instead (windows calls it activestandby support)
2022-06-16 11:01:36	raster	then they dont have to bother doing it - they leave it up to windows to do.
2022-06-16 11:01:40	jelle	susi: but just get used to the idea it will be gone soon
2022-06-16 11:01:41	xnovax	manufacturers are known to limit/restrict the hardware 
2022-06-16 11:01:51	jelle	xnovax: not really
2022-06-16 11:01:52	xnovax	its not that the hardware cant, its that, they chose to not let it.
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2022-06-16 11:02:12	raster	mizuu: is there a bios option to disable nvidia gfx (use integrated only) ?
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2022-06-16 11:03:26	mizuu	raster: no :/ hp bios has by far the most limited set of options
2022-06-16 11:03:41	jelle	xnovax: it costs extra to implement s3 so obviously no one will do that
2022-06-16 11:03:49	jelle	unless you want to pay for it :)
2022-06-16 11:03:54	ℹ 	demaio_ es conocido ahora como demaio
2022-06-16 11:04:02	raster	mizuu: argh. well... then one option is to not install the nvidia driver and hope the gpu starts up powered down.
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2022-06-16 11:04:21	raster	and hope you can then use the intel gfx just as usefully...
2022-06-16 11:04:47	xnovax	jelle: i wasnt talking about s3 specifically, but sure sometimes cost just isnt worth it to them.
2022-06-16 11:04:58	mizuu	raster: i'd already installed the proprietary nvidia driver, would pacman -R-ing it suffice?
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2022-06-16 11:05:05	raster	yes
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2022-06-16 11:05:23	jelle	xnovax: I'm not here for imaginary debates ;-)
2022-06-16 11:05:31	raster	well unless you also hacked up a custom xorg.conf
2022-06-16 11:05:43	⚡ 	jelle looks at raster
2022-06-16 11:05:44	raster	you might want to adapt that to not refer to the nvidia driver...
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2022-06-16 11:05:49	jelle	raster: what's this xorg?!
2022-06-16 11:05:54	raster	:P
2022-06-16 11:06:15	raster	i ask "what is this nvidia thing?"
2022-06-16 11:06:20	raster	:)
2022-06-16 11:06:39	mizuu	raster: so i just removed nvidia, how do i know if my gpu is powered off ?
2022-06-16 11:06:41	raster	my advice for many years has been "don't buy anything with nvidia in it unless you like pain"
2022-06-16 11:06:48	raster	mizuu: well reboot ...
2022-06-16 11:06:53	mizuu	yep done that
2022-06-16 11:06:54	raster	and then well .. test
2022-06-16 11:07:03	raster	close lid (suspend)
2022-06-16 11:07:07	raster	and see how fast battery drains
2022-06-16 11:07:13	raster	is the laptop still warm like before?
2022-06-16 11:07:13	raster	etc.
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2022-06-16 11:07:40	raster	it may take a while.
2022-06-16 11:07:46	mizuu	raster: oh, i might be away for a bit while i "test" then lol
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2022-06-16 11:08:12	raster	well if you had a power meter on the wall...
2022-06-16 11:08:26	raster	you could try powertop to calculate drain on a very idle system
2022-06-16 11:08:28	raster	e.g.
2022-06-16 11:08:40	raster	force the screen to power off
2022-06-16 11:09:38	raster	so unplug from power 
2022-06-16 11:09:44	raster	ssh in from another machine.
2022-06-16 11:09:48	raster	export DISPLAY=:0
2022-06-16 11:10:23	raster	xset s activate
2022-06-16 11:10:28	raster	(do that from your ssh)
2022-06-16 11:10:35	raster	then sudo powertop
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2022-06-16 11:10:44	raster	(run as root) and watch your total power usage
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2022-06-16 11:10:55	raster	compare this to the same thing when you had nvidia drivers installed
2022-06-16 11:11:04	raster	watch over several minutes
2022-06-16 11:11:14	mizuu	raster: i'll try that! also wouldn't nouveau load if nvidia is not there?
2022-06-16 11:11:19	raster	try have the system as idle as possible (no blinking cursors etc.)
2022-06-16 11:11:29	raster	nouveau might
2022-06-16 11:12:18	raster	you can mv the nouveau.ko somewhere else so it's not found... 
2022-06-16 11:12:36	raster	well nouveau.ko.zst i think these days
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2022-06-16 11:14:40	raster	either way - you should see a good drop in wattage usage if the nvidia gpu is off.
2022-06-16 11:15:14	raster	but all of this is assuming that was even your problem to begin with. but it's probably my primary culprit to look at first
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2022-06-16 11:27:20	mizuu	raster: i blacklisted nouveau in modprobe and for some odd reason the discharge rate is better with nouveau loaded. so rn without nvidia _and_ nouveau not loaded the discharge rate is 18.2 W. but if i do load nouveau without nvidia the discharge rate is 6 W.
2022-06-16 11:27:43	raster	aaaaah ok
2022-06-16 11:28:02	raster	so that says the gpu powers on at boot anyway... which is a shame.
2022-06-16 11:28:24	ask6155	I'm having problems with settingup secure boot. my mobo didn't come with any keys. I made my own keys and installed them using firware setup. I later signed few efi files with it and added them to my boot list. I turned on secure boot but when I actually boot those files is says invalid signature. What can I do???
2022-06-16 11:28:26	raster	and the driver is lowering the power mode for it
2022-06-16 11:28:59	raster	so unfortunately - you may need a driver. so now i guess try nouveau vs nvidia... 
2022-06-16 11:29:11	mizuu	raster: yeah will try that
2022-06-16 11:30:34	raster	but there are things you can do
2022-06-16 11:31:00	raster	like /sys/bus./pci/devices/XXX/power/ ... (XXX is the pci id/bus etc. of your gpu)
2022-06-16 11:33:43	raster	is control on or auto?
2022-06-16 11:36:01	mizuu	 raster: with nvidia it's about 7 W, so nouveau is slightly better
2022-06-16 11:37:36	raster	you could try remove the pci device (echo 1 > /sys/bus/pci/devices/XXX/remove )
2022-06-16 11:37:45	mizuu	 raster: the control is auto
2022-06-16 11:37:56	raster	ok - so on auto power management at least
2022-06-16 11:39:45	mizuu	raster: i kicked it out with the remove command you proivded but the discharge rate did not change 
2022-06-16 11:40:19	raster	hmmm  well ok - then nothing to be gained there
2022-06-16 11:40:53	raster	you might want to look around. with a screen off you can get down to about 2-4w at idle
2022-06-16 11:41:15	raster	well that's my experience on intel based systems without an nv gpu.
2022-06-16 11:41:58	raster	but it looks like you need a gpu driver (e.g. nouveau) and now need to see what power usage is while "suspended"
2022-06-16 11:43:51	uuidNuniq	well...
2022-06-16 11:44:50	raster	mizuu:  do you have a SuspendState=freeze in /etc/systemd/sleep.conf
2022-06-16 11:45:04	raster	? i had to do this before on a non-s3 capable machine...
2022-06-16 11:46:01	raster	for more info: man systemd-sleep.conf 
2022-06-16 11:47:16	mizuu	  raster: that file is just a bunch of comments don:t see that line
2022-06-16 11:47:34	raster	you might want to add it :)
2022-06-16 11:47:40	raster	see the manual :)
2022-06-16 11:48:19	mizuu	trying right away :3
2022-06-16 11:54:05	mizuu	raster: it does go to suspend but i see the same message in the journal log (s2idle) as before
2022-06-16 11:54:21	raster	yeah - but does it use less power?
2022-06-16 11:54:26	raster	(while suspended)
2022-06-16 11:54:40	raster	ie - drain less
2022-06-16 11:55:04	mizuu	i need to wait for a bit, with report back in a few mins to check if the chasis is still warm
2022-06-16 11:55:13	mizuu	will report*
2022-06-16 11:56:13	raster	if its warm its going to be a higher power component
2022-06-16 11:56:33	raster	gpu, cpu... maybe ram or chipset or something like that.
2022-06-16 11:57:00	raster	nvidia -> nouveau alone might work better - i dont know. i avoid nv gpu's like the plague :)
2022-06-16 11:58:18	mizuu	 raster: haha guess i'll resort to that if this systemd sleep thingy was in vain
2022-06-16 12:06:21	linux_dream	hi people I have troubles updating my system due to an error related to python-jaraco package, which I didn't even see before on my system. I don't know why it's been installed, I am thinking to remove it. I did pacman -Qi python-jaraco but I don't see why it was installed. how can I make sure it won't break my system if I remove it?
2022-06-16 12:10:36	Gagis	when you try to remove it, pacman will tell you what else would be removed if you say yes
2022-06-16 12:12:34	susi	in -Qi there's "Install reason" and also "Required by"
2022-06-16 12:12:41	linux_dream	:: removing python-jaraco breaks dependency 'python-jaraco.functools' required by python-pytest-enabler
2022-06-16 12:12:42	linux_dream	and :: removing python-jaraco breaks dependency 'python-jaraco' required by python-jaraco.packaging
2022-06-16 12:12:42	linux_dream	   which I don't even know what they are
2022-06-16 12:13:03	susi	then go through them, -Qi python-pytest-enabler and so on
2022-06-16 12:13:14	linux_dream	already done, I think, it leads nowhere
2022-06-16 12:13:56	linux_dream	Required By     : None
2022-06-16 12:14:04	susi	what's the install reason?
2022-06-16 12:14:15	linux_dream	like... wtf?  why was this shit installed? paclog shows I installed this on the 3rd of June
2022-06-16 12:14:28	linux_dream	Install Reason  : Installed as a dependency for another package
2022-06-16 12:14:35	linux_dream	but it shows no package?
2022-06-16 12:14:43	Gagis	could be leftovers from something you have used and later removed
2022-06-16 12:14:52	linux_dream	oh
2022-06-16 12:14:55	susi	you may have removed the one requiring it, not removing its deps
2022-06-16 12:15:05	linux_dream	I always remove packages using pacman -Rns
2022-06-16 12:15:13	linux_dream	this should have removed that crap, right?
2022-06-16 12:15:28	susi	if you just "pacman -R" things, it leaves deps alone. there's -s/--recursive to remove unnecessary dependencies
2022-06-16 12:15:37	linux_dream	right, then this is impossible
2022-06-16 12:15:44	linux_dream	since I always do -Rns
2022-06-16 12:16:05	susi	see what else you installed before it in pacman's log
2022-06-16 12:17:24	linux_dream	here's what happened on that day: https://bpa.st/HPTA
2022-06-16 12:17:25	phrik	Title: View paste HPTA (at bpa.st)
2022-06-16 12:17:30	Gagis	the pacman maintenance article on the wiki has good tips for long term maintenance such as removing unneeded dependencies and so on
2022-06-16 12:18:50	linux_dream	as far as I remember, I only upgraded my system. but it apparently installed new packages, which I am unable to update now
2022-06-16 12:19:57	linux_dream	https://bpa.st/MA6Q
2022-06-16 12:19:57	phrik	Title: View paste MA6Q (at bpa.st)
2022-06-16 12:20:22	linux_dream	due to this crap which was installed for some obscure reason, I cannot update any package
2022-06-16 12:23:42	linux_dream	what the heck... pacman -Qtdq  doesn't show python-jaraco.
2022-06-16 12:24:38	linux_dream	I'll try to manually remove those packages
2022-06-16 12:24:44	linux_dream	no idea if they are important
2022-06-16 12:24:49	linux_dream	pacman of no help
2022-06-16 12:25:01	Gagis	Qtd should just python-pytest-enabler which cascades into that
2022-06-16 12:25:02	jelle	linux_dream: old mirror? https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/commit/1e63fc14b3cbf69d730cea65edfc214e3d82084c
2022-06-16 12:25:09	jelle	linux_dream: also take a break :)
2022-06-16 12:25:16	Gagis	linux_dream, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/system_maintenance#Check_for_orphans_and_dropped_packages
2022-06-16 12:25:17	phrik	Title: System maintenance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-16 12:25:29	Gagis	good thing to remove Qtd outputted stuff every now and then
2022-06-16 12:25:31	Vorpal	linux_dream: looks like a package was split? Don't quite understand the error though
2022-06-16 12:26:20	jelle	Vorpal: before chippig in look at above link ^
2022-06-16 12:26:47	Vorpal	jelle: I was looking at some of the posts
2022-06-16 12:26:56	jelle	Vorpal: I mean my link :P
2022-06-16 12:27:05	Vorpal	ah
2022-06-16 12:27:31	linux_dream	ok done, removed all python-jaraco things
2022-06-16 12:27:47	jelle	linux_dream: now you can smile again
2022-06-16 12:27:48	linux_dream	however updating my system now will reinstall those
2022-06-16 12:28:14	linux_dream	I see that packages like: python-jaraco.functools-3.5.0-2  python-jaraco.text-3.8.0-2
2022-06-16 12:28:14	linux_dream	  will be installed now
2022-06-16 12:30:18	jelle	linux_dream: which is a problem why exactly?
2022-06-16 12:30:34	linux_dream	because it prevents my system from updating
2022-06-16 12:30:41	linux_dream	pacman shits itself
2022-06-16 12:30:52	jelle	linux_dream: calm down if you want to receive help
2022-06-16 12:31:00	linux_dream	but anyway, the problem is fixed now, I removed those packages. and now they are being reinstalled without pacman complaining
2022-06-16 12:31:16	linux_dream	it's ok, now everything is on track, until possibly the next update
2022-06-16 12:31:42	linux_dream	I'm still wondering which package(s) needed those
2022-06-16 12:31:50	linux_dream	pacman -Qi d idn't lead anywhere
2022-06-16 12:32:10	linux_dream	I did not install them manually for no reason, I don't even know what they are
2022-06-16 12:33:23	Gagis	new split versions of them probably have up to date dependencies now
2022-06-16 12:34:49	linux_dream	thanks for all anyway, you helped me
2022-06-16 12:45:23	drocan	are instructions at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/JDBC_and_MySQL recent? I followed through everything but still getting java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.mariadb.jdbc.Driver
2022-06-16 12:45:24	phrik	Title: JDBC and MySQL - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-16 12:52:40	pulec	hmm, how do I change ext4 label?
2022-06-16 12:52:56	pulec	oh e2label?
2022-06-16 12:56:39	pulec	ye
2022-06-16 12:56:41	pulec	!next
2022-06-16 12:56:41	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-06-16 12:59:27	Synthead	I'm having trouble pushing up a proprietary package to the aur
2022-06-16 12:59:37	Synthead	it includes a file that is acquired from GOG after a purchase
2022-06-16 12:59:49	Synthead	I'm currently using: source=("local://setup_commander_keen_1.4_(42493).exe")
2022-06-16 13:00:18	Synthead	however, with this in the pkgbuild (and .SRCINFO), the aur responds with: missing source file: setup_commander_keen_1.4_(42493).exe
2022-06-16 13:00:25	Synthead	what am I doing wrong?
2022-06-16 13:00:45	GreyXor	Synthead can you share me the PKGBUILD ?
2022-06-16 13:00:50	Synthead	sure
2022-06-16 13:01:09	Synthead	https://gist.github.com/synthead/e28c276dd9fdfbe35486fbf9d04a0308
2022-06-16 13:01:21	GreyXor	Thanks, il'l check that :)
2022-06-16 13:01:40	slimbo	commander keen :O
2022-06-16 13:01:47	Synthead	with omnispeak :D
2022-06-16 13:01:47	⚡ 	slimbo overloads on nostalgia
2022-06-16 13:02:02	Synthead	https://davidgow.net/keen/omnispeak.html
2022-06-16 13:02:03	phrik	Title: davidgow.net Omnispeak A Commander Keen Reimplementation (at davidgow.net)
2022-06-16 13:02:06	GreyXor	galaxy still not linux compatible ?
2022-06-16 13:02:08	GreyXor	:(
2022-06-16 13:02:41	Synthead	that's what this does!
2022-06-16 13:02:48	xnovax	Synthead: looks to me like the URL doesnt actually point to any file. 
2022-06-16 13:03:00	Synthead	how so?
2022-06-16 13:03:30	xnovax	all i see is 'add to cart' when i vist that url, for the game
2022-06-16 13:03:41	Synthead	I'm following https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Nonfree_applications_package_guidelines#Files_can_only_be_obtained_in_a_distributed_archive/installer
2022-06-16 13:03:42	phrik	Title: Nonfree applications package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-16 13:04:10	Synthead	oh I see what you mean
2022-06-16 13:04:15	Synthead	the file is a custom url with a token
2022-06-16 13:04:33	GreyXor	can't you just remove the local:// part ?
2022-06-16 13:05:13	Synthead	well, adding local:// is _supposed_ to tell makepkg that it's explicitly a local file that you're responsible for
2022-06-16 13:06:11	Synthead	this is what I get: https://gist.github.com/synthead/388c01ed3f37625589b1ac0ea2c88742
2022-06-16 13:06:14	GreyXor	actually i tink it's working for me
2022-06-16 13:06:30	Synthead	yeah it should build, but I can't push it to the aur
2022-06-16 13:07:10	GreyXor	ok sorry i didn't understand that
2022-06-16 13:07:42	Synthead	actually, it seems like the aur is complaining about a past commit
2022-06-16 13:07:55	Synthead	I corrected it in a later commit, but it seems to still complain about the old one
2022-06-16 13:08:09	Synthead	let me rewrite my local history and see if that makes the aur work
2022-06-16 13:08:12	GreyXor	All commits need to be correct when you push to the AUR
2022-06-16 13:08:14	Synthead	that feels like an aur bug
2022-06-16 13:08:32	Synthead	even if you iterate into correctness?
2022-06-16 13:09:11	GreyXor	idk, just saw it here : https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1881816#p1881816
2022-06-16 13:09:12	phrik	Title: "error: missing source file" when pushing package / AUR Issues, Discussion & PKGBUILD Requests / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-06-16 13:11:18	Synthead	eyyy https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/omnispeak-data
2022-06-16 13:11:19	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - omnispeak-data (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-06-16 13:11:36	GreyXor	Good! :)
2022-06-16 13:11:41	Synthead	thanks for the help!
2022-06-16 13:11:56	GreyXor	Thanks for the package!
2022-06-16 13:12:04	Synthead	in case you play with it, there's a helper script in omnispeak to start keen4: omnispeak-keen4 👍
2022-06-16 13:12:09	BrainDamage	don't forget to update .srcinfo
2022-06-16 13:22:59	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-16 15:34:13	ShalokShalom	Hi there :)
2022-06-16 15:35:07	ShalokShalom	How can I remap caps lock to fn key?
2022-06-16 15:38:12	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-16 15:38:21	susi	that does not sound like a good idea, if it's even possible. at least my fn key does not generate an event viewable in xev
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2022-06-16 15:38:42	omegatron	he's gone, Jim
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2022-06-16 17:08:16	lemsip	how does one restore a fairly old keyring? I can't install anything, pacman-key --refresh-keys fails, and a repeated invocation doesn't fail but also just does nothing. 
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2022-06-16 17:08:46	mpan	lemsip: `sudo pacman -Sy pacman-keyring; sudo pacman -Su`
2022-06-16 17:08:49	mpan	STOP
2022-06-16 17:08:55	mpan	s/pacman-keyring/archlinux-keyring/
2022-06-16 17:09:04	mpan	go
2022-06-16 17:09:23	lemsip	I tried that but it failed to install because the signature wasn't valid
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2022-06-16 17:10:26	progandy	when was your last update? You might have to do increments with the arch linux archive if it is really old
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2022-06-16 17:10:51	lemsip	I've no clue, this is a testing VM for when Arch issues take place :/ 
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2022-06-16 17:10:57	lemsip	I'll just reinstall
2022-06-16 17:11:51	lemsip	is there no way to initialize the thing manually? Or install it disregarding the signatures?
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2022-06-16 17:14:57	progandy	SigLevel / LocalSigLevel / RemoteSigLevel in pacman.conf?
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2022-06-16 17:21:22	lemsip	progandy: yep, that makes allows me to install the newer keyring.
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2022-06-16 17:21:58	progandy	._.
2022-06-16 17:22:47	lemsip	welp
2022-06-16 17:23:03	lemsip	I tried to install a single package to check if I can now install everything else with it's signatures checked
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2022-06-16 17:23:10	lemsip	zstd was a bad choice
2022-06-16 17:23:19	progandy	broken pacman?
2022-06-16 17:23:28	lemsip	broken everything
2022-06-16 17:23:39	lemsip	init needs zstd, and it can't load zstd because it expects a newer glibc
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2022-06-16 17:23:47	lemsip	could've just reinstalled everything from the get go :D 
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2022-06-16 17:25:18	Edu4rdSHL	> I tried to install a single package to check if I can now install everything else with it's signatures checked 
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2022-06-16 17:25:26	Edu4rdSHL	That's a partial upgrade, you do -Syu instead
2022-06-16 17:25:45	lemsip	oh yes, I'd love to wait to download 1.5gb again to see something is still wrong
2022-06-16 17:25:55	lemsip	but I must concede user error
2022-06-16 17:26:07	Edu4rdSHL	Why would you delete something already downloaded
2022-06-16 17:26:13	lemsip	pacman did
2022-06-16 17:26:18	lemsip	because the signatures were not good
2022-06-16 17:26:34	progandy	and you confirmed the deletion request.
2022-06-16 17:26:34	Edu4rdSHL	When you see signature errors then you update the keyring
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2022-06-16 17:26:53	Edu4rdSHL	And pacman ask for confirmation of the deletions
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2022-06-16 17:31:50	ℹ 	polve2 es conocido ahora como polve
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2022-06-16 17:33:37	artefact	and maybe check your mirror if it persists
2022-06-16 17:33:45	artefact	i've had one return html error pages as packages
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2022-06-16 17:48:51	brjl	Now, I've got no audio...
2022-06-16 17:49:23	brjl	Just installed pulsemixer though, let's see...
2022-06-16 17:49:42	brjl	Hm. No cards. But the driver is being loaded...
2022-06-16 17:53:16	artefact	$(aplay -l) ?
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2022-06-16 17:56:08	brjl	"No soudcards found" :þ
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2022-06-16 17:56:25	artefact	well, plug it in
2022-06-16 17:56:37	brjl	harhar
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2022-06-16 17:59:21	brjl	I'm probably missing a package or a dependency
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2022-06-16 18:03:34	MrElendig	brjl: what hardware?
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2022-06-16 18:06:25	drocan	are instructions at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/JDBC_and_MySQL recent? I followed through everything but still getting java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.mariadb.jdbc.Driver
2022-06-16 18:06:26	phrik	Title: JDBC and MySQL - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-06-16 18:09:38	brjl	MrElendig: Ryzen 3 4100 on an ASRock A320M-HD. 
2022-06-16 18:10:15	MrElendig	dmesg and look for missing firmware, though iirc that shouldn't need sof
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2022-06-16 18:10:26	MrElendig	I do assume you have linux-firmware installed already
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2022-06-16 18:10:47	brjl	... sigh
2022-06-16 18:10:59	artefact	is it enabled in bios? you have modules matching your installed kernel? did you black
2022-06-16 18:11:02	artefact	*blacklist any modules
2022-06-16 18:11:15	brjl	I installed sof and didn't install linux-firmware
2022-06-16 18:11:25	⚡ 	brjl cringe smiles
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2022-06-16 18:12:50	CarloWood	brjl: ls /proc/asound
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2022-06-16 18:13:52	CarloWood	If that shows cards then the next thing is usually to run 'alsamixer' - which allows you to select a card for alsa.
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2022-06-16 18:15:01	brjl	The only card alsamizer allows me to choose is "default". I'll just finish installing linux-firmware and I'll see what's up.
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2022-06-16 18:17:30	brjl	Nope, no audio still.
2022-06-16 18:17:47	brjl	Only a default output on pulsemixer and no card, still.
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2022-06-16 18:18:19	brjl	aplay returns no soundcards, anyway...
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2022-06-16 18:22:08	SysGhost	Upgrading... I get "jack2 and pipewire-jack are in conflict (jack). Remove pipewire-jack? [y/N]" - I wondmer... how do I find out what package that require jack2 despite that pipewire-jack provides jack2
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2022-06-16 18:23:11	Edu4rdSHL	pacman -Qi jack2 ?
2022-06-16 18:23:19	MrElendig	expac assuming it is in the repos
2022-06-16 18:23:29	MrElendig	if this is a new dep
2022-06-16 18:23:45	MrElendig	or pactree
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2022-06-16 18:24:35	SysGhost	Edu4rdSHL: error: package 'jack2' was not found
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2022-06-16 18:24:58	MrElendig	expac to get the required by for jack2, then compare to installed packages
2022-06-16 18:24:59	SysGhost	-Qii jack2 however... onmly lists all packages that require jack2
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2022-06-16 18:25:41	SysGhost	now I have  to find out which one of the -Qii listed packages that pulls in jack2 explicitly
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2022-06-16 18:26:27	SysGhost	oh correction.. -Sii jack2 it is
2022-06-16 18:27:38	susi	it's probably ffmpeg
2022-06-16 18:27:44	susi	is it??
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2022-06-16 18:28:53	SysGhost	it is
2022-06-16 18:29:05	coruja	doesn't pactree -r help here?
2022-06-16 18:29:06	SysGhost	apparently ffmpeg can't live without jack2
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2022-06-16 18:29:19	coruja	ok, solved anyway, nvm
2022-06-16 18:29:32	SysGhost	out ffmpeg go.
2022-06-16 18:29:57	SysGhost	ouch... seems half the system depends on ffmpeg
2022-06-16 18:30:06	brjl	Yeah, no. udev definitely finds the cards and loads up the driver. But alsa doesn't see the card
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2022-06-16 18:34:13	SysGhost	Nope. Something more require jack2
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2022-06-16 18:36:17	SysGhost	MrElendig: got any example on expac? 
2022-06-16 18:36:19	susi	SysGhost: just --ignore jack2
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2022-06-16 18:36:39	SysGhost	susi: I tried. it still conflicts
2022-06-16 18:36:42	gehidore	susi how does that fix the problem?
2022-06-16 18:36:53	susi	it doesn't, sorry. was about to pull back that line
2022-06-16 18:37:07	MrElendig	ffmpeg shouldn't depend on jack2
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2022-06-16 18:37:49	SysGhost	MrElendig: it no longer does. I forcibly had to upgrade ffmpeg with --nodeps, and now it no longer requires jack2
2022-06-16 18:37:59	gehidore	was your ffmpeg from aur or something?
2022-06-16 18:38:00	SysGhost	but I have more packages that require jack2
2022-06-16 18:38:05	SysGhost	no
2022-06-16 18:38:14	SysGhost	just been a few weeks since last upgrade
2022-06-16 18:38:16	gehidore	just old/out of date 
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2022-06-16 18:46:16	SysGhost	ach. I can't figure it out.
2022-06-16 18:46:34	SysGhost	it's a guess-work 
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2022-06-16 18:47:12	SysGhost	I'd love pacman to actually list the packages that causes the "unresolvable package conflicts detected"
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2022-06-16 18:47:23	brjl	!paste
2022-06-16 18:47:24	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-06-16 18:48:42	MrElendig	jack2 providing jack makes it a bit harder to track down
2022-06-16 18:48:46	ℹ 	kill es conocido ahora como killown
2022-06-16 18:48:47	gehidore	pacman -Qi jack2 isn't showing?
2022-06-16 18:48:57	SysGhost	jack2 doesn't exist
2022-06-16 18:48:59	gehidore	oh that does make for a headache
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2022-06-16 18:49:35	MrElendig	SysGhost: dump your upgrade list then check which of them depends on jack2 
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2022-06-16 18:49:51	brjl	http://ix.io/40io
2022-06-16 18:50:02	SysGhost	That's what I'm doing now. such tedious work
2022-06-16 18:50:13	brjl	Output of dmesg | grep sof|snd
2022-06-16 18:50:16	MrElendig	feed checkupdates into expac
2022-06-16 18:50:34	brjl	Doesn't look like anything is wrong.
2022-06-16 18:51:09	MrElendig	brjl: exa /dev/snd/*
2022-06-16 18:51:32	SysGhost	MrElendig: Got any exact example? I'm not sure about what format string expac wants
2022-06-16 18:51:38	SysGhost	expac*
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2022-06-16 18:52:22	brjl	MrElendig: sorry
2022-06-16 18:53:37	evsiz	hello, i try to install arch with lxqt+kwin to virtual machine, i want to add packages as less as i can, i want kde-settings but i dont wanna install unnecessary things of plasma to just configure kwin. what i want at kde-settings are "appearance" and "workspace" settings only. which packages i install to do what i want ?
2022-06-16 18:53:49	MrElendig	SysGhost: echo pacman gnome-terminal | expac "%n depends on: %E" -
2022-06-16 18:54:24	brjl	MrElendig: http://ix.io/40ir
2022-06-16 18:55:20	MrElendig	checkupdates | awk '{print $1}' | expac "%n depends on: %E" - | grep jack2  or something
2022-06-16 18:55:31	MrElendig	though it might not be a direct dep either...
2022-06-16 18:56:59	MrElendig	pacman -Quq can replace the checkupdates | awk if you prefer
2022-06-16 18:57:13	brjl	MrElendig: Cards are there hah. I'm really out of my depth here
2022-06-16 18:57:28	MrElendig	brjl: getfacl /dev/snd/*
2022-06-16 18:58:15	MrElendig	brjl: check that your user have access in the acl
2022-06-16 18:58:53	Edu4rdSHL	MrElendig, I doubt that -Quq can replace checkupdates, it depends on the local DB no?
2022-06-16 18:59:00	brjl	To the group audio, I suppose.
2022-06-16 18:59:15	MrElendig	Edu4rdSHL: Qu lists updates based on the sync db
2022-06-16 18:59:36	Edu4rdSHL	Well, for that you need to -Sy first then
2022-06-16 18:59:53	Edu4rdSHL	chekcupdates uses a separate database avoiding partial upgrades
2022-06-16 19:00:04	MrElendig	not a problem since he already have a failed -Syu
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2022-06-16 19:00:15	Edu4rdSHL	Aaah, I missed the context, sorry
2022-06-16 19:00:18	MrElendig	failed/aborted
2022-06-16 19:00:46	⚡ 	MrElendig should submit a patch for checkupdates for a --quiet flag
2022-06-16 19:00:55	joel135	someone remind me what gnu program provides repl history?
2022-06-16 19:00:56	brjl	MrElendig: You're a lifesaver <3
2022-06-16 19:01:08	MrElendig	brjl: user doesn't have access?
2022-06-16 19:01:20	MrElendig	if so, the session is either broken, or remote
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2022-06-16 19:01:52	brjl	MrElendig: Hm? Oh, no. I was a dumdum and didn't check whether I was in audio
2022-06-16 19:02:01	brjl	usermod -a -G audio solved it
2022-06-16 19:02:11	⚡ 	brjl knocks on head
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2022-06-16 19:02:35	joel135	so i could run `<the history program> guile` and it would give me the guile prompt with the added ability to navigate previous inputs
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2022-06-16 19:03:07	MrElendig	brjl: you shouldn't need to be in the audio group unless ^
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2022-06-16 19:03:25	MrElendig	brjl: arch by default have uaccess rules for audio, any local session should get access
2022-06-16 19:04:40	brjl	Well, session is most likely broken then
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2022-06-16 19:05:07	joel135	found it! `rlwrap`
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2022-06-16 19:05:41	MrElendig	check loginctl
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2022-06-16 19:07:12	MrElendig	loginctl show-session <yourcurrentsession> should say remote=no, active=yes, state=active
2022-06-16 19:07:20	brjl	show-session seems fine. Remote=no...
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2022-06-16 19:07:41	MrElendig	active and state the two most important ones
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2022-06-16 19:10:18	brjl	Ok, left the other notebook to log in libera here.
2022-06-16 19:10:30	MrElendig	19:07:41    MrElendig │ active and state the two most important ones
2022-06-16 19:10:58	brjl	Active=no;State=Online
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2022-06-16 19:11:51	bud	thats a great title for an autobiography
2022-06-16 19:11:53	MrElendig	there is the problem
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2022-06-16 19:12:10	MrElendig	what kind of session is this?
2022-06-16 19:13:23	brjl	From login prompt to an x11 server running dwm
2022-06-16 19:13:37	MrElendig	how did you start dwm?
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2022-06-16 19:13:56	MrElendig	also, using screen/tmux?
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2022-06-16 19:13:58	brjl	zprofile calls in xinit, xinit starts dwm.
2022-06-16 19:14:12	◣	Vorpal (~Vorpal@user/Vorpal) ha salido (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2022-06-16 19:14:22	MrElendig	don't use xinit directly, shit breaks unless you reinplement what startx does
2022-06-16 19:14:23	Abdullah	Hi guys, want to know difference between bootloader and boot manager
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2022-06-16 19:14:56	MrElendig	Abdullah: depending on context: nothing or everything
2022-06-16 19:14:56	grawity	"boot manager" means it has a menu, "bootloader" means it knows how to launch the OS kernel
2022-06-16 19:15:06	grawity	but often they're just used interchangeably
2022-06-16 19:15:51	Abdullah	Thanks...
2022-06-16 19:15:53	grawity	e.g. GRUB is really both
2022-06-16 19:16:22	MrElendig	brjl: fire up a new tty, and see if it works if you use startx in it
2022-06-16 19:16:36	MrElendig	brjl: make sure your xinitrc is sourcing the stuff in etc
2022-06-16 19:16:37	brjl	MrElendig: Ok, changed it. Should I remove myself from the audio group then?
2022-06-16 19:17:04	MrElendig	brjl: don't have to but won't harm anything unless you are going to do audio stuff over ssh or similar
2022-06-16 19:17:23	brjl	MrElendig: Don't think I will, no.
2022-06-16 19:17:45	grawity	for the session setup to work, "what startx does" mostly means telling Xorg to start on the currently active tty
2022-06-16 19:17:58	grawity	instead of the 1990s thing of switching over to tty7 for X
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2022-06-16 19:18:24	grawity	so if you're logged in on tty1, you have audio access as long as tty1 is active (no matter what's running in it, X or wayland or CLI)
2022-06-16 19:19:10	grawity	if you skip startx and just run xinit, it defaults to finding a new tty, and there's nobody actually *logged in* to tty7 as such, so your access gets removed
2022-06-16 19:19:33	brjl	well
2022-06-16 19:19:45	brjl	Active=no;State=online still :þ
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2022-06-16 19:20:00	grawity	and which tty is your dwm on, still?
2022-06-16 19:20:08	◣	MercilessDeth (~brad@136.49.59.177) ha salido (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2022-06-16 19:20:36	brjl	Oh wait, I'm stupid
2022-06-16 19:21:09	brjl	Active=yes;State=active
2022-06-16 19:21:20	bud	https://0x0.st/ouej.txt <- /usr/bin/startx
2022-06-16 19:21:49	bud	https://0x0.st/oue2.txt inderesting indentation style..
2022-06-16 19:22:06	brjl	I will be back in a minute...
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2022-06-16 19:22:26	grawity	bud: probably the result of cpp macro expansion
2022-06-16 19:22:32	MrElendig	checked the wrong session?
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2022-06-16 19:22:42	CarloWood	joel135: sounds like a pre-loaded readline lib, wrapping the real readline library and adding history features.
2022-06-16 19:22:54	bud	grawity: yeah, i saw this: # '' required to prevent cpp from treating "/*" as a C comment.
2022-06-16 19:22:57	MrElendig	bud: it gets messed up by the preprosessor, its actually sane in the source code
2022-06-16 19:23:05	CarloWood	which is slightly confusing, I thought readline was static.
2022-06-16 19:23:17	grawity	no, it's an actual libreadline.so
2022-06-16 19:23:19	joel135	it works great
2022-06-16 19:23:21	grawity	many non-bash programs use it
2022-06-16 19:23:46	grawity	but rlwrap doesn't add features *to* the readline library
2022-06-16 19:23:53	⚡ 	SysGhost decided to go semi-nuclear and uninstall *everything* audio related. Then installed the absolute minimum to get the sound card working. That solved his jack2 dependency problem.
2022-06-16 19:23:54	joel135	except it makes me miss the autocomplete even more x)
2022-06-16 19:23:55	grawity	it's the readline library *itself* that adds all those features
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2022-06-16 19:24:19	MrElendig	bud: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/xinit/-/blob/master/xinitrc.cpp
2022-06-16 19:24:21	phrik	Title: xinitrc.cpp · master · xorg / app / xinit · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2022-06-16 19:24:28	grawity	as opposed to the program just using stdio fread/fgets
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2022-06-16 19:24:42	MrElendig	still not great, but slightly beter
2022-06-16 19:25:22	grawity	https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/xinit/-/blob/master/startx.cpp
2022-06-16 19:25:24	phrik	Title: startx.cpp · master · xorg / app / xinit · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2022-06-16 19:25:24	CarloWood	grawity: ah, so then it's just something that redirects input/output and inserts libreadline
2022-06-16 19:25:28	grawity	yeah
2022-06-16 19:25:36	grawity	it uses libreadline to get your input, then feeds it to guile's stdin
2022-06-16 19:25:42	CarloWood	nods
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2022-06-16 19:25:52	SysGhost	... when repairing a half-nuked system is easier than figuring out what requires jack2 ... 
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2022-06-16 19:27:00	Edu4rdSHL	SysGhost, pacman -Qi jack
2022-06-16 19:27:16	Edu4rdSHL	Or pactree -r jack
2022-06-16 19:27:21	brjl	MrElendig: There, main session is now running with startx. Everything looks nice
2022-06-16 19:27:52	brjl	Thanks MrElendig <3 Been a while since I last installed Arch on a computer :þ
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2022-06-16 19:29:22	agregory	SysGhost: --debug
2022-06-16 19:29:35	MrElendig	brjl: Ly might interest you
2022-06-16 19:29:39	bud	grawity: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/xinit/-/blob/master/startx.cpp <- this is source, and if you look at indentation you can see that they messed up with mixed spaces/tab indentation
2022-06-16 19:29:40	phrik	Title: startx.cpp · master · xorg / app / xinit · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2022-06-16 19:29:46	⚡ 	MrElendig votes for replacing slim in extra with ly
2022-06-16 19:30:02	bud	(line 153 f.i.)
2022-06-16 19:30:07	SysGhost	Edu4rdSHL: I ended up pacman -Rdd everything related to jack. The problem, was that something required jack2. then a few simple steps to reinstall missing deps back onto the system. Now it all works as intended.
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2022-06-16 19:32:26	brjl	MrElendig: I'm sorry, what is it?
2022-06-16 19:32:38	nyasaki	Oh yes ly in the official repos would be nice
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2022-06-16 19:32:56	MrElendig	brjl: a simple (but actually working) cli login manager/desktop manager
2022-06-16 19:32:58	nyasaki	Its a tty display manager
2022-06-16 19:33:12	MrElendig	s/desktop/display/
2022-06-16 19:33:21	MrElendig	nyasaki: and slim have been a zombie for almost 20 years now
2022-06-16 19:33:30	brjl	Oh, I see. That's nice.
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2022-06-16 19:34:29	nyasaki	MrEleding: slim?
2022-06-16 19:34:30	⚡ 	MrElendig is a simple person and simply uses gdm
2022-06-16 19:34:57	SysGhost	\o/
2022-06-16 19:35:38	MrElendig	mostly because it generally just works 
2022-06-16 19:36:00	⚡ 	MrElendig looks at sddm and lightdm with squinting eyes
2022-06-16 19:36:02	gehidore	simple person and I just use startx
2022-06-16 19:36:24	gehidore	;)
2022-06-16 19:36:42	MrElendig	tty is pretty broken with dualscreen so I try to stay away from it :p
2022-06-16 19:36:48	⚡ 	nyasaki prefers ly
2022-06-16 19:36:52	gehidore	actually use `sway` these days
2022-06-16 19:36:59	gehidore	but ... life goes on for a little while
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2022-06-16 19:37:22	SysGhost	MrElendig: Everything is broken with n screens > 1
2022-06-16 19:37:45	MrElendig	gnome and xmonad generally works fine
2022-06-16 19:37:58	SysGhost	Something I have never understood is why DE's have such a hard time getting multi monitor support properly done.
2022-06-16 19:38:20	nyasaki	kde worked fine for me
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2022-06-16 19:39:11	jelle	works fine here :o
2022-06-16 19:39:15	◣	renich (~renichu@2806:261:41a:9202::1) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-06-16 19:39:16	SysGhost	Not for me. KDE (and gnome as well) randomizes screen order, and sometimes detect the screens as "new screens" and sets them up with default panel and widgets. 
2022-06-16 19:39:17	jelle	SysGhost: is this about scaling or what?
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2022-06-16 19:39:40	MrElendig	kde (waland) was utterly broken until 5.24, now its just partially broken :/
2022-06-16 19:40:28	SysGhost	in the end I have a gazzilion screen configurations in the .config 
2022-06-16 19:40:30	MrElendig	pre .24: have monitors go to sleep and kde would forget what was on what screen and just randomply place things all over the place
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2022-06-16 19:40:41	SysGhost	MrElendig: I still have that
2022-06-16 19:40:49	MrElendig	also amnesia about the order of screens
2022-06-16 19:40:55	SysGhost	indeed
2022-06-16 19:41:07	MrElendig	.24 partially fixed it when they added the primary screen checkbox
2022-06-16 19:41:18	jelle	cccccctebridbfvnhjtbdjiijdgdfcreutkdvftjjejd
2022-06-16 19:41:22	jelle	fuck
2022-06-16 19:41:27	SysGhost	Well.. primary stays put, but all the other screens jumble around still
2022-06-16 19:41:42	⚡ 	MrElendig quickly logs in to jelle's account
2022-06-16 19:41:49	jelle	MrElendig: lol sure :)
2022-06-16 19:41:54	nyasaki	A YubiKey lol
2022-06-16 19:41:58	jelle	nyasaki: yessir
2022-06-16 19:42:11	SysGhost	jelle: your ctebridb keyboard layout seem to work fine! =)
2022-06-16 19:42:12	MrElendig	SysGhost: yea, it works (mostly) for two screens now, but >2 is still a giant mess, specially with >1 panel
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2022-06-16 19:43:14	SysGhost	Don't get me started on scaling. I notoriosly avoid 4k and 8k screens because that's even worse.
2022-06-16 19:43:15	MrElendig	SysGhost: meanwhile on gnome I can even randomly replug and change the order of the hdmi/dp ports and it still manages to keep the layout
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2022-06-16 19:44:31	MrElendig	sway handles suspend fine, but doesn't handle replugging
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2022-06-16 20:00:36	[-_-]	Hi
2022-06-16 20:00:42	SysGhost	\o/
2022-06-16 20:00:59	[-_-]	is it possible to limit my bandwidth usage some how?
2022-06-16 20:01:01	[-_-]	over wifi
2022-06-16 20:01:23	[-_-]	like don't go over 100 KBytes/s download speed?
2022-06-16 20:01:36	damjan	sure, see `tc`
2022-06-16 20:02:41	Rayyan	i've been having a strange problem lately
2022-06-16 20:02:54	Rayyan	i'm using arch linux + gnome
2022-06-16 20:02:55	◥	ethrl (~doforlove@user/doforlove33) has joined #archlinux
2022-06-16 20:03:06	MrElendig	[-_-]: get yourself a usable ap
2022-06-16 20:03:06	Rayyan	and my mouse sometimes freezes after a while
2022-06-16 20:03:14	bug2000	SysGhost, Fix this! https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/74720
2022-06-16 20:03:15	phrik	Title: FS#74720 : gcc-d removed from the package repository (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2022-06-16 20:03:25	nyasaki	Any AP recommendations?
2022-06-16 20:03:38	bug2000	nyasaki, Something that runs openwrt.
2022-06-16 20:03:44	Rayyan	i have to unplug and replug my mouse to get it to move again
2022-06-16 20:03:54	nyasaki	openwrt is a router lol
2022-06-16 20:04:00	jelle	nyasaki: no
2022-06-16 20:04:02	Rayyan	(it just happened now)
2022-06-16 20:04:12	⚡ 	SysGhost puts some duct-tape on bug2000's bug.
2022-06-16 20:04:13	MrElendig	nyasaki: despite the asshole company: u6 lite
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2022-06-16 20:04:31	MrElendig	nyasaki: best bang for your bucks really
2022-06-16 20:04:31	◣	ttnk (~autofsckk@user/ttnk) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2022-06-16 20:04:38	nyasaki	Im running OpenWRT on my router lol
2022-06-16 20:04:41	bug2000	SysGhost, Not enough duct-tape! I want it back in the repos! :)
2022-06-16 20:04:46	[-_-]	:o
2022-06-16 20:04:48	◣	ethrl (~doforlove@user/doforlove33) ha salido (Client Quit)
2022-06-16 20:05:01	jelle	nyasaki: yes and it can run fine on an AP
2022-06-16 20:05:07	bug2000	nyasaki, and you can use an openwrt box in AP mode. It doesn't have to connect to the internet, only route inside the network.
2022-06-16 20:05:14	MrElendig	nyasaki: cheap enough to buy enough of them
2022-06-16 20:05:32	jelle	and runs openwrt ironically
2022-06-16 20:05:34	nyasaki	what ap would run openwrt lol
2022-06-16 20:05:39	nyasaki	O.o
2022-06-16 20:05:42	bug2000	I'm still sad about my Archer C60. It has nice wifi, but the ports are only 100mbit :\
2022-06-16 20:05:42	⚡ 	jelle facepalms
2022-06-16 20:05:46	MrElendig	more access points > "more powerfull" access points, generally
2022-06-16 20:05:47	bug2000	so tons of it goes wasted.
2022-06-16 20:05:56	◣	Abdullah (~ak@user/abdullah) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.5)
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2022-06-16 20:06:16	MrElendig	unless you are in a 1ldk of course
2022-06-16 20:06:26	bug2000	1ldk?
2022-06-16 20:07:09	gehidore	nyasaki look on the openwrt site
2022-06-16 20:07:15	noobaroo	Hey guys. I have a problem. I tried asking the #plasma channel with no response from them yet, it's been over an hour. So I figured I'd ask here even though I think this is an upstream issue 
2022-06-16 20:07:41	gehidore	and then?
2022-06-16 20:07:45	MrElendig	bug2000: https://gaijinpot.scdn3.secure.raxcdn.com/app/uploads/sites/4/2015/04/Screen-Shot-2019-07-16-at-14.15.02.png or some variation of it
2022-06-16 20:07:57	nyasaki	lol
2022-06-16 20:08:10	nyasaki	https://openwrt.org/toh/start?dataflt%5BBrand*%7E%5D=ubi
2022-06-16 20:08:14	phrik	Title: [OpenWrt Wiki] Table of Hardware (at openwrt.org)
2022-06-16 20:08:20	noobaroo	I use KDE Plasma and am absolutely in love with KDE Software, but my System Settings window is stuck at a forced size minimum of about 90% of my screen size.
2022-06-16 20:08:48	MrElendig	bug2000: 1 bedroom + living/kitchen/dining
2022-06-16 20:09:02	noobaroo	I tried making a rule to override this (In the very system settings app itself, Lol) to no result
2022-06-16 20:09:06	bug2000	MrElendig, So a 2 room apartment.
2022-06-16 20:09:07	nyasaki	Alright so you get Ubiqity AP's and install OpenWRT on em?
2022-06-16 20:09:21	MrElendig	depending on how you count rooms
2022-06-16 20:09:27	bug2000	What's the place on the right?
2022-06-16 20:09:38	MrElendig	which of course varies from country to country
2022-06-16 20:09:38	teraflops	panic room
2022-06-16 20:09:47	MrElendig	balcony probably
2022-06-16 20:09:56	nyasaki	Damn u have a nice server room lol
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2022-06-16 20:10:02	bug2000	I hear in the states, a room isn't a room if it doesn't have a closet and a house isn't a house if it doesn't have fireplace.
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2022-06-16 20:10:20	ℹ 	gpkumar2k es conocido ahora como gpkumar
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2022-06-16 20:10:55	gehidore	current building codes do require a closet AND outdoor facing window capable of human travel for "houses"
2022-06-16 20:11:02	gehidore	to define it as a room
2022-06-16 20:11:13	gehidore	but fireplace isn't required to be a house no
2022-06-16 20:11:18	gehidore	at least *here*
2022-06-16 20:11:23	◣	gpkumar (~gpkumar@user/gpkumar2k) ha salido (Client Quit)
2022-06-16 20:11:26	gehidore	some other whack state maybe so
2022-06-16 20:11:33	MrElendig	fireplaces are even illegal in many places
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2022-06-16 20:11:42	gehidore	that's a strong h in whack by the way :)
2022-06-16 20:11:58	bug2000	What's a strong h?
2022-06-16 20:12:08	MrElendig	wHHHHHHHack
2022-06-16 20:12:42	bug2000	I need a recording of that.
2022-06-16 20:13:10	gehidore	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZmqJQ-nc_s strong H in whip
2022-06-16 20:13:11	teraflops	I have 2 linksys mesh nodes (wifi6), 2 floors house, and I get gbit wifi everywhere
2022-06-16 20:13:12	MrElendig	basically just make the w silent
2022-06-16 20:13:26	gehidore	well that's no place for youtube links, this is main not offtopic -_-
2022-06-16 20:13:30	⚡ 	gehidore sees himself out
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2022-06-16 20:18:29	noobaroo	Also guys, does anyone know Arch Linux's alternative to authconfig program?
2022-06-16 20:18:59	damjan	and "authconfig" is?
2022-06-16 20:19:27	dmc	coo hwip
2022-06-16 20:19:54	noobaroo	It's a system configuration utility used by Fedora and fam 
2022-06-16 20:20:33	bug2000	dmc, You've changed your avatar from the D Mars Compiler. I can't quite make what the current avatar is.
2022-06-16 20:20:46	noobaroo	I'm learning Cybersecurity and I'm interested in how I can find what password hash algorithms are available to use on my system
2022-06-16 20:20:50	teraflops	noobaroo: I don't think there's anything similar for arch linux
2022-06-16 20:21:19	dmc	the hwut
2022-06-16 20:21:27	noobaroo	https://man.archlinux.org/man/crypt.5.en  I found this, but I made a dummy account and tested several and only sha512 and sha256 seem to be working 
2022-06-16 20:21:29	phrik	Title: crypt(5) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2022-06-16 20:21:43	dmc	bug2000, https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=ford%20prefect%20bbc&tbs=imgo:1
2022-06-16 20:21:44	phrik	Title: ford prefect bbc - Google Search (at www.google.com)
2022-06-16 20:21:49	◣	nyasaki (~Srain@user/nyasaki) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-06-16 20:21:57	noobaroo	But also the keywords might not be exactly the same as they are listed on that wiki page 
2022-06-16 20:22:00	Warepire	noobaroo: What is it that you want to do?
2022-06-16 20:22:13	MrElendig	noobaroo: bcrypt works for me
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2022-06-16 20:22:36	⚡ 	MrElendig suspects what noobaroo actually wants is ansible
2022-06-16 20:22:41	noobaroo	MrElendig really? Thats kinda what I was hoping would work mostly O.O
2022-06-16 20:23:06	noobaroo	What is the keyword? I tried bcrypt and crypt_blowfish
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2022-06-16 20:23:53	ℹ 	iotku_ es conocido ahora como iotku
2022-06-16 20:24:14	bug2000	dmc, Wait. There's more to the hijackers guide to the galaxy than that movie from I don't remember when nor do I think I even watched?
2022-06-16 20:24:36	bug2000	The book is weird. Makes you wonder if the author was drunk or sober when writing them.
2022-06-16 20:24:50	dmc	they made a series, I love it
2022-06-16 20:24:56	bug2000	When?
2022-06-16 20:25:02	dmc	long time ago
2022-06-16 20:25:56	MrElendig	noobaroo: I just set NCRYPT_METHOD to bcrypt iirc
2022-06-16 20:26:01	MrElendig	E*
2022-06-16 20:26:25	MrElendig	other than that, python can generate the entry for you if you want to do it by hand
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2022-06-16 20:27:02	noobaroo	MrElendig, thank you sir! 
2022-06-16 20:27:19	MrElendig	ENCRYPT_METHOD in login.defs that is
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2022-06-16 20:33:22	noobaroo	MrElendig, thats for group passwords though, not user passwords it seems?
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2022-06-16 20:34:14	noobaroo	I'm afraid to generate manually and then pam is unable to understand it one day
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2022-06-16 20:37:01	Vorpal	is there a way to deal with two packages that install the same file (with identical content). I already reported a bug, but I want a workaround for now other than using --ignore superslicer every time I run pacman -Syu
2022-06-16 20:37:20	Vorpal	both prusa-slicer and superslicer install the same udev file
2022-06-16 20:37:43	MrElendig	Vorpal: podman :p
2022-06-16 20:38:14	progandy	Vorpal: I have no idea if NoExtract could work
2022-06-16 20:38:16	Vorpal	MrElendig: for GUI programs that need access to the real micro SD card inserted in my computer and to be able to eject it etc?
2022-06-16 20:38:32	Vorpal	progandy: worth a try
2022-06-16 20:38:55	Vorpal	i don't even care about this udev rule, it is for optional hardware I don't have (some sort of CAD 3D mouse thing)
2022-06-16 20:39:29	Vorpal	nope, didn't work
2022-06-16 20:39:34	Vorpal	progandy: good thought though
2022-06-16 20:39:44	MrElendig	Vorpal: I've heard quite a few people use it due to it being somewhat of a hell to install on certain distroes
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2022-06-16 20:40:07	MrElendig	Vorpal: also because of teh fancy rpi 3d printing ready to go thingy
2022-06-16 20:40:10	MrElendig	whatever it is named
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2022-06-16 20:40:20	Vorpal	oh, octoprint
2022-06-16 20:40:24	Vorpal	I guess?
2022-06-16 20:41:20	Vorpal	yeah superslicer and prusa-slicer are the step before that (slicers). Interactive programs for converting the 3D model into instructions for the printer. With tons and tons of settings.
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2022-06-16 20:42:07	Vorpal	MrElendig: anyway when superslicer was in AUR it worked just fine to have both prusa-slicer and superslicer installed. Now that it moved to community things broke
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2022-06-16 20:44:33	Vorpal	progandy: actually it works! if you first reinstall the package that has the file. So that neither package provides the file basically
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2022-06-16 20:44:41	Vorpal	which is fine by me, I don't need that file at all
2022-06-16 20:45:21	progandy	good enough until the packages are fixed properly :)
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2022-06-16 20:45:30	Vorpal	exactly
2022-06-16 20:45:32	Vorpal	progandy++
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2022-06-16 21:00:54	ℹ 	g_ es conocido ahora como Prutz
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2022-06-16 21:01:40	Apo11on	ALL HAIL ARCH LINUX
2022-06-16 21:02:17	mefistofeles	!hail
2022-06-16 21:02:17	phrik	Hail Hydra!
2022-06-16 21:02:20	gehidore	and then?
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2022-06-16 21:03:13	gpkumar	hail https://github.com/salman-abedin/devour
2022-06-16 21:03:23	gpkumar	swallowing under any X session
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2022-06-16 21:04:06	Apo11on	: gpkumar wtf is that
2022-06-16 21:04:08	Apo11on	seems cool
2022-06-16 21:04:14	Apo11on	pdf viewer?
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2022-06-16 21:04:42	mefistofeles	Apo11on: no
2022-06-16 21:04:45	gpkumar	nah, you do devour mpv video.mp4, and the terminal goes away leaving just the player
2022-06-16 21:04:56	mefistofeles	gpkumar: that's a cool idea, seems kinda unmaintained now, though
2022-06-16 21:04:58	gpkumar	pretty useful in tiling window managers
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2022-06-16 21:05:19	gehidore	seems silly with things like dmenu
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2022-06-16 21:06:02	Warepire	mefistofeles: It's like 30 lines of code, not sure how many bugs there can be.
2022-06-16 21:06:09	mefistofeles	true
2022-06-16 21:06:13	Apo11on	gpkumar: im using qtile, thats cool, don't have many usecases for it tho
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2022-06-16 21:09:15	ℹ 	PenguinAtHome1 es conocido ahora como PenguinAtHome
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2022-06-16 21:11:26	gpkumar	like for opening a video/image/pdf reader from terminal
2022-06-16 21:12:00	gpkumar	or any program whose terminal output you don't care of
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2022-06-16 21:13:03	Apo11on	i usually just open spt on a dedicated desktopenv and pdfs with emacs, but i will try it out if i ever use zathura from the terminal
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2022-06-16 21:13:23	Apo11on	devour that useless window ftw
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2022-06-16 21:15:12	bud	i3 has best tab window support oob , no need to devour.
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2022-06-17 11:51:30	GuiToris	hey, Please recommend me a good terminal for fluxbox
2022-06-17 11:56:22	artefact	what do you mean? your question sounds like "please recommend a mousepad for my amd gpu"
2022-06-17 11:57:15	GuiToris	there are no expectations, I don't have a terminal
2022-06-17 11:57:24	GuiToris	does it have a dedicated terminal?
2022-06-17 12:01:06	raster	GuiToris: use any terminal you like
2022-06-17 12:01:13	raster	it has nothing to do with fluxbox
2022-06-17 12:01:31	GuiToris	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications/Utilities#Terminal_emulators this is a massive list
2022-06-17 12:01:33	phrik	Title: List of applications/Utilities - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-17 12:01:50	GuiToris	xfce4-terminal may have lots of dependencies
2022-06-17 12:02:02	GuiToris	I don't want to install half of the xfce4 packages
2022-06-17 12:02:15	GuiToris	lxterminal sounds more lightweight
2022-06-17 12:03:00	raster	or just use xterm
2022-06-17 12:03:05	raster	if you care so much about deps
2022-06-17 12:03:09	raster	or rxvt
2022-06-17 12:03:35	GuiToris	I'll check rxvt out
2022-06-17 12:03:36	GuiToris	thanks
2022-06-17 12:03:45	GuiToris	I know xterm, and it's ugly for my eyes
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2022-06-17 12:06:09	damjan	konsole !! :D
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2022-06-17 12:07:45	GuiToris	that would be a very smart idea
2022-06-17 12:08:21	Gagis	well, urxvt more likely than rxvt I guess
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2022-06-17 12:10:34	teraflops	you can make xterm to look better than the default
2022-06-17 12:10:42	The-Compiler	GuiToris: if yoo want something a bit more modern than urxvt, alacritty/kitty are rather popular (I use the latter). If you want something really barebones, st.
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2022-06-17 12:11:47	GuiToris	thanks, I'm checking it out :)
2022-06-17 12:12:20	GuiToris	teraflops, can I even change the font?
2022-06-17 12:12:26	teraflops	of course
2022-06-17 12:12:54	GuiToris	I'll consult archwiki
2022-06-17 12:13:10	teraflops	and xterm is sixel powered ;)
2022-06-17 12:13:45	GuiToris	I used to use it and I remember it was small and hard to read
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2022-06-17 15:51:07	vqueiroz	Is there any way to delete system files that were not installed by pacman or yay? To remove unused files for example.
2022-06-17 15:51:12	vqueiroz	Not sure if this is safe, though
2022-06-17 15:51:18	vqueiroz	there's also snap, flatpak etc.
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2022-06-17 15:55:42	mpan	Whether a file has been installed by pacman or not bears no relation to safety of its removal. As for removing them: you may find all files that are not owned by any package by using pacreport from the community/pacutils package.
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2022-06-17 16:14:19	dD__	After a reboot, my system hangs before getting into sddm/kde.  I can change terminal and try log in through a cli but I can't boot up SDDM and get into my GUI.  What coud I be doing wrong?  
2022-06-17 16:15:02	Fulgen	check the journal
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2022-06-17 16:17:12	oak3	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd/Journal
2022-06-17 16:17:13	phrik	Title: systemd/Journal - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-17 16:17:25	oak3	lol, snap!
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2022-06-17 16:17:43	dD__	I'm trying to check the journal out but for some reason my sudo password isn't recognized 
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2022-06-17 16:19:24	oak3	check /etc/sudoers see what that says and if your user is in it
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2022-06-17 16:20:43	dD__	oak3: my user is there 
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2022-06-17 16:22:00	oak3	have you done a recent update?
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2022-06-17 16:23:14	dD__	oak3: yes 
2022-06-17 16:24:13	dD__	OK, so on journal I get an error message saying "FAILED to read display number from pipe. " "Attempt 1 starting the display server on Vt 1 failed."
2022-06-17 16:26:14	oak3	well, you can only assume at this point that it's down to the recent update
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2022-06-17 16:28:10	oak3	go through the different virtual terminals and see what's there
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2022-06-17 16:30:14	oak3	do you know what the default vt was previously, mine is vt7
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2022-06-17 16:31:03	oak3	i see it now, thanks Scimmia
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2022-06-17 16:33:09	dD__	oak3: I tried using a LTS kernel in case that would be it but that didn't work.  Any idea on how I could find which package is causing the problem? 
2022-06-17 16:33:32	Scimmia	dD__: what video drivers?
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2022-06-17 16:34:01	dD__	Scimmia: should be nvidia proprietary 
2022-06-17 16:34:08	oak3	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/SDDM
2022-06-17 16:34:09	phrik	Title: SDDM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-17 16:34:10	dD__	although I haven't touched it for a long long time 
2022-06-17 16:34:16	Scimmia	with an intel CPU, I'm guessing?
2022-06-17 16:34:18	dD__	yes
2022-06-17 16:34:25	dD__	hybrid 
2022-06-17 16:34:28	Scimmia	add ibt=off to the kernel command line
2022-06-17 16:34:48	oak3	... in the above article there's a section entitled 'SDDM starts on tty1 instead of tty7'
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2022-06-17 16:35:55	Scimmia	nothing except lightdm uses tty7 by default anymore
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2022-06-17 16:36:07	Dreamer3	https://resource.logitech.com/content/dam/logitech/en/products/keyboards/mx-keys-for-business/gallery/mx-keys-business-keyboard-gallery-fra-graphite-1.png anyone familiar with these types of keyboards and how they are mapped by the kernel?  when you hit alt gr + 5 you get `[`, but at what layer is that happening?  the raw events `evdev` just show the  keycodes
2022-06-17 16:36:29	MacGyver	Why does lightdm still use... oh wait, that's the one that hasn't seen active development since a decade ago right?
2022-06-17 16:36:39	dD__	oak3: thanks, is there a reason you think that ithis is the problem? 
2022-06-17 16:37:00	Mete-	dD__, it is a know bug, you can read about that on the Nvidia page on arch linux wiki
2022-06-17 16:37:01	oak3	the journal entry you mentioned above
2022-06-17 16:37:31	Mete-	I had the same issue, I added a "ibt=off" at the /etc/default/grub file and regenerated grub
2022-06-17 16:37:35	oak3	there ya go!
2022-06-17 16:37:40	Scimmia	MacGyver: I honestly have no idea
2022-06-17 16:37:46	Mete-	added to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
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2022-06-17 16:38:28	dD__	 Mete- did you have this problem recently?  Thanks, want to try it out 
2022-06-17 16:38:38	Mete-	dD__, yes, 3 days ago
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2022-06-17 16:39:54	Scimmia	it affects everyone with Tiger Lake or newer and nvidia propeiatery with kernel 5.18
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2022-06-17 16:40:54	dD__	Mete-: Scimmia alright, updated the grub config, rebooting.  Hope it works, brb
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2022-06-17 16:44:45	oak3	last release of lightdm 1.30.0 was 17th May 2019
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2022-06-17 16:46:38	evsiz	hello, report: i cant download "oxygen" package.
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2022-06-17 16:47:01	Scimmia	!give evsiz errors
2022-06-17 16:47:01	phrik	evsiz: Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
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2022-06-17 16:49:57	dD__	shit, same exact error.  
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2022-06-17 16:50:13	dD__	Double checked that it was added when booting into grub and it was there 
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2022-06-17 16:52:59	evsiz	Scimmia, phrik, https://www.justbeamit.com/dfeiw
2022-06-17 16:53:00	phrik	Title: JustBeamIt - file transfer made easy (at www.justbeamit.com)
2022-06-17 16:53:25	oak3	dD__: check /etc/sddm.conf.d/tty.conf and look for MinimumVT= and see what that says
2022-06-17 16:54:11	Scimmia	evsiz: update your system
2022-06-17 16:54:40	Scimmia	oak3: MinimumVT is not an issue
2022-06-17 16:54:46	Scimmia	dD__: is the nvidia module loaded?
2022-06-17 16:54:59	oak3	ok
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2022-06-17 16:55:53	evsiz	Scimmia, okay, if that s the reason, fixing is easy really. i didnt do that because i could install smilar packages with no system update at sametime.
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2022-06-17 16:56:38	evsiz	thanks Scimmia, it worked ^^
2022-06-17 16:57:00	Scimmia	evsiz: this one has been updated since you last updated your system, the others weren't
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2022-06-17 16:57:21	evsiz	ahh, so that s how it works
2022-06-17 16:57:32	evsiz	thanks for information again Scimmia :)
2022-06-17 16:57:33	dD__	oak3: that file does not exist
2022-06-17 16:58:02	Scimmia	dD__: also see the xorg log
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2022-06-17 16:58:06	oak3	that's interesting
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2022-06-17 17:04:07	dD__	Scimmia: hmmm so i'm running sudo lsmod | grep -i nvidia and grep -i dkms and find nothing 
2022-06-17 17:04:18	Scimmia	modprobe it, see what happens
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2022-06-17 17:25:33	CandyManJ	Hello... how can I enable /etc/profile?
2022-06-17 17:25:33	CandyManJ	I have a script in /etc/profile.d/ to enable DIR_COLORS
2022-06-17 17:25:33	CandyManJ	and it is not being executed unless manually executing /etc/profile per session
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2022-06-17 17:25:33	Edu4rdSHL	That's handled by your shell
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2022-06-17 17:25:33	susi	does va-api has anything to do with audio?
2022-06-17 17:25:33	susi	or just video
2022-06-17 17:25:33	CandyManJ	Edu4rdSHL: I am not using a third-party shell
2022-06-17 17:25:33	Edu4rdSHL	What do you mean by "third party"?
2022-06-17 17:25:33	Edu4rdSHL	Is that even a thing?
2022-06-17 17:25:33	CandyManJ	Edu4rdSHL: Like fish for example
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2022-06-17 17:25:33	lmat	CandyManJ: Probably better to say which shell you're using.
2022-06-17 17:25:33	Scimmia	OK, let's see if my connection is stable now. Did I miss anything?
2022-06-17 17:25:33	CandyManJ	lmat: /bin/bash... I use KDE so Konsole as terminal emulator
2022-06-17 17:25:33	Namarrgon	Scimmia: there was nothing more from dD__
2022-06-17 17:25:33	Scimmia	Namarrgon: ok, thanks
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2022-06-17 17:25:33	lmat	from man bash, "When bash is invoked as an interactive login shell...it first reads and executes commands from the file /etc/profile. But you're saying you want something executed it /etc/profile.d?
2022-06-17 17:25:33	CandyManJ	lmat: if /etc/profile is executed it automatically executes everything in /etc/profile.d
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2022-06-17 17:25:33	CandyManJ	but it is not being executed
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2022-06-17 17:25:33	lmat	CandyManJ: You're starting Konsole which is starting bash, right? What happens if you run `bash;` inside that terminal?
2022-06-17 17:25:33	Namarrgon	only your script isn't being sourced or none of the ones in /etc/profile.d?
2022-06-17 17:25:33	CandyManJ	Namarrgon: none
2022-06-17 17:25:33	CandyManJ	lmat: a new session is started inside that session... it doesnt execute /etc/profile
2022-06-17 17:25:33	CandyManJ	since ls doesn't color the dirs
2022-06-17 17:25:33	lmat	CandyManJ: What about    bash -i; ?
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2022-06-17 17:25:33	CandyManJ	and I have set the configurations propertly
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2022-06-17 17:25:33	CandyManJ	lmat: doesn't work
2022-06-17 17:25:33	lmat	CandyManJ: By the way, it may be easiest to add something like "echo in profile" to /etc/profile rather than relying on ls coloration...
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2022-06-17 17:25:33	CandyManJ	lmat: OK, but executing /etc/profile manually makes ls colorization work
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2022-06-17 17:25:33	CandyManJ	lmat: added an echo but it is not being printed
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2022-06-17 17:42:47	Vorpal	depending on the DE it might be that you need .xprofile instead of .xinitrc
2022-06-17 17:42:55	Vorpal	init files are a mess
2022-06-17 17:42:57	susi	you could probably put it in /usr/share/sddm/scripts/Xsetup
2022-06-17 17:43:10	Vorpal	susi: wouldn't that get overwritten?
2022-06-17 17:43:22	susi	maybe, but wiki still suggests putting xrandr stuff in it
2022-06-17 17:43:39	susi	I'm not a sddm user, probably one could create a custom file under /scripts/ ?
2022-06-17 17:43:58	Vorpal	CandyManJ: I don't use SDDM, I use lightdm, but I had success using ~/.xprofile for things that apply to the whole session.
2022-06-17 17:44:09	susi	pacman -Qi sddm shows if it gets overwritten or not
2022-06-17 17:44:17	susi	-Qii *
2022-06-17 17:44:48	susi	Vorpal: lightdm uses /etc/lightdm/Xsession for everything
2022-06-17 17:45:04	Vorpal	susi: I think it loads ~/.xprofile indirectly?
2022-06-17 17:45:19	Vorpal	at least .xprofile absolutely works for setting FREETYPE_PROPERTIES
2022-06-17 17:45:22	susi	it has line "for file in "/etc/profile" "$HOME/.profile" "/etc/xprofile" "$HOME/.xprofile"; do"
2022-06-17 17:45:28	Vorpal	ah
2022-06-17 17:46:23	progandy	it looks like SDDM already tries to use /etc/profile in in the Xsession and wayland-session files?
2022-06-17 17:47:11	susi	Vorpal: lightdm isn't even developed any more, most files are last updated more than a decade ago
2022-06-17 17:47:33	susi	ofc there may be some people still making needed changes to it, but still
2022-06-17 17:47:37	Vorpal	susi: oh isn't it? I always liked it for not getting in my way
2022-06-17 17:47:47	pmarg	Hi, I got EasyEffects installed from the repo. and have myself setup an EQ, but if I close the app, it shuts of the EasyEffects EQ.
2022-06-17 17:47:51	Vorpal	susi: I guess it won't support launching wayland sessions then?
2022-06-17 17:48:07	Vorpal	pmarg: I believe there is a setting in the preferences of easyeffects
2022-06-17 17:48:20	Vorpal	indeed there is
2022-06-17 17:48:25	pmarg	Yes, It should presist after a window close but it does not
2022-06-17 17:48:49	susi	Vorpal: you can add a .desktop file under /usr/share/xsessions for wayland or whatever
2022-06-17 17:48:59	pmarg	Shutdown at Window close is off, and Start Service on login is enabled
2022-06-17 17:49:03	Vorpal	pmarg: works for me, what DE?
2022-06-17 17:49:11	pmarg	I use xfce4
2022-06-17 17:49:31	Vorpal	susi: sure, once wayland works I'll do that. Last I looked reverse PRIME on nvidia was still broken
2022-06-17 17:49:36	Vorpal	which is a showstopper for me
2022-06-17 17:50:21	Vorpal	but I should maybe try sddm, at least if it works with optimus-manager
2022-06-17 17:52:44	Vorpal	pmarg: hm, it works for me under KDE
2022-06-17 17:52:57	Vorpal	and I used before under Cinnamon, worked there too
2022-06-17 17:53:40	Vorpal	pmarg: so the process doesn't stay running in the background? check with: pgrep easyeffects 
2022-06-17 17:54:05	pmarg	Vorpal: will do
2022-06-17 17:54:41	pmarg	EasyEffect procces stops after a window close
2022-06-17 17:54:58	pmarg	while open it pgrep easyeffects gives me a 2818 
2022-06-17 17:55:52	Vorpal	huh
2022-06-17 17:56:08	Vorpal	well that is just the process ID, so it will vary
2022-06-17 17:56:52	Vorpal	pmarg: do you have any other DE set up to check if that is the cause. Since easyeffects is very... gnome-ish. With GTK4 and all... It may be assuming things that aren't true on xfce. I don't know
2022-06-17 17:57:23	pmarg	ATM no, I just got xfce4 installed, I can give a reinstall of my audio stuff a try.
2022-06-17 17:58:43	Vorpal	pmarg: but yeah I don't know, might be worth trying upstream on github. The bug I reported turned out to be a GTK4 bug, but the dev was very nice and helpful.
2022-06-17 17:58:56	pmarg	Alright.
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2022-06-17 18:26:37	Vorpal	progandy: I believe that is how it is supposed to work
2022-06-17 18:27:16	Vorpal	apparently, looking at a closed upstream bug (and paraphrasing from memory): "GTK4 doesn't support tray icons, so this is the best we can do."
2022-06-17 18:28:28	progandy	another dig at gnome...
2022-06-17 18:28:48	Vorpal	progandy: at this point, they kind of deserve it
2022-06-17 18:29:17	Vorpal	GTK4 ignores font hinting settings unless you set a hidden setting in a INI file? Why? Who knows.
2022-06-17 18:29:28	Vorpal	lots of stuff like that
2022-06-17 18:29:34	progandy	!shrug
2022-06-17 18:29:35	phrik	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-06-17 18:31:29	progandy	let's hope the other projects will find a tray spec that works well on wayland as well. appindicators / statusnotifiers aren't that yet
2022-06-17 18:35:56	susi	Vorpal: what wm/de you're using?
2022-06-17 18:38:21	Vorpal	susi: KDE
2022-06-17 18:38:23	Vorpal	on X11
2022-06-17 18:39:12	Vorpal	susi: I have one laptop that runs Cinnamon as well, because that is the only thing that is stable on it. nvidia reverse prime issues
2022-06-17 18:39:22	susi	isn't KDE/kwin already fully wayland-ready?
2022-06-17 18:39:34	Vorpal	susi: probably, but nvidia reverse prime is not
2022-06-17 18:40:14	susi	well, it's nvidia, so.....
2022-06-17 18:40:33	Vorpal	susi: doesn't matter who's fault it is. The UX sucking is what matters to me as a user.
2022-06-17 18:41:44	Vorpal	also I use some other GUI automation software that won't work under wayland, perhaps ever. Such as xdotool and autokey
2022-06-17 18:41:51	susi	I just switched to rootless Xorg, finally
2022-06-17 18:42:05	pmarg	susi: Nice
2022-06-17 18:42:09	Vorpal	I haven't seen any wayland replacement for those
2022-06-17 18:42:52	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-06-17 18:43:07	susi	there are alternatives for those tools, at least for wlroots
2022-06-17 18:43:25	susi	but yeah, I'm neither using Wayland, I get your point
2022-06-17 18:43:26	Vorpal	susi: that is the other issue I have with wayland, is that is so fragmented
2022-06-17 18:43:27	bud	be nice, wayland is alpha (since 2008), you will have the tools when it is mature
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2022-06-17 19:16:18	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1454 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1454 normals)
2022-06-17 19:00:33	bud	http://ix.io/40mL
2022-06-17 19:00:45	Shapeshifter	I'm having a really odd problem with mpd. Installed it on a new machine, same config as on the old one. It just dies after a second or so. If I launch it manually via mpd --stderr --no-daemon, I can see that it launches fine, starts updating the database and then just crashes: https://bpa.st/RX5A
2022-06-17 19:00:45	phrik	Title: View paste RX5A (at bpa.st)
2022-06-17 19:01:03	Shapeshifter	I updated the system and rebooted, everything else seems fine
2022-06-17 19:01:27	Shapeshifter	I do notice that it always crashes on the same track while updating
2022-06-17 19:01:37	Shapeshifter	guess it doesn't like Portishead?
2022-06-17 19:02:34	Shapeshifter	https://bpa.st/RXPA the whole core dump
2022-06-17 19:02:35	phrik	Title: View paste RXPA (at bpa.st)
2022-06-17 19:04:09	dD__	!rs
2022-06-17 19:04:09	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2022-06-17 19:04:15	bud	>>> #mpd , sounds like a bug parsing meta data. is there any special characters in the title?
2022-06-17 19:06:03	dD__	Namarrgon: ix.io/40Mm
2022-06-17 19:06:49	Scimmia	dD__: blank
2022-06-17 19:07:05	dD__	Scimmia: fuck 
2022-06-17 19:08:10	dD__	Namarrgon: ix.io/40mM
2022-06-17 19:08:12	dD__	sorry
2022-06-17 19:11:03	Edu4rdSHL	Also, why dont paste a proper http link
2022-06-17 19:11:46	Scimmia	so your problem is the keyboard
2022-06-17 19:12:20	Scimmia	although: [    19.789] (II) modeset(0): Setting screen physical size to 1016 x 571
2022-06-17 19:12:48	dD__	Edu4rdSHL: sorry, i'm on command line so I had to move from one terminal to another to get it out, forgot to add the http 
2022-06-17 19:12:52	dD__	had to retype the link 
2022-06-17 19:14:22	Scimmia	dD__: xkeyboard-config is required by xorg-server, do you not have it for some reason?
2022-06-17 19:15:27	dD__	Just checked, I have xkeyboard-config installed
2022-06-17 19:15:44	dD__	Scimmia: should I try to reinstall it? 
2022-06-17 19:15:54	Scimmia	[    19.811] (EE) XKB: Couldn't open rules file /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev
2022-06-17 19:16:04	Scimmia	yeah, try reinstalling
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2022-06-17 19:18:43	dD__	funny, told me package is corrupted while reinstalling 
2022-06-17 19:18:43	dD__	let me try to redownload 
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2022-06-17 19:23:31	dD__	Scimmia: I keep getting an error message when trying to reinstall, I just can't pipe it to ix.io
2022-06-17 19:25:55	Scimmia	!give dD__ pastepacman
2022-06-17 19:25:55	phrik	dD__: LC_ALL=C pacman --debug <your pacman options> |& tee >(curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io)
2022-06-17 19:26:09	Scimmia	don't need --debug for this, though
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2022-06-17 19:34:21	ℹ 	Tema establecido por Namarrgon el vie, 06 may 2022 01:12:11
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2022-06-17 19:34:29	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-06-17 19:34:33	dD__	Scimmia: I got some more files missing, touched them and it worked 
2022-06-17 19:34:33	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-06-17 19:34:33	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-17 19:36:14	dD__	oh shit, just did startx and it worked perfectly well 
2022-06-17 19:36:19	dD__	it hadn't before 
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2022-06-17 19:37:26	Scimmia	the real question is why you filesystem corruption
2022-06-17 19:37:33	Scimmia	why you had
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2022-06-17 19:37:55	caveman	how good is flatpak?
2022-06-17 19:38:48	dD__	Scimmia: thank you very much.  I had ran out of memory att one point in root this week, I noticed it while I did an upgrade.  The upgrade got canceled so I cleared some stuff, and ran it again but maybe that packaged got partially installed during this? 
2022-06-17 19:39:04	Scimmia	yeah, that could have done it
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2022-06-17 19:40:06	dD__	thanks again for all your help 
2022-06-17 19:40:41	caveman	what's the best rss feed reader?
2022-06-17 19:40:45	Scimmia	np
2022-06-17 19:40:47	caveman	newsboat sucks apparently.
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2022-06-17 19:49:02	susi	hmm, why I can't no more `i3 --get-socketpath` in systemd user unit (ret=1), but if I type it to a shell it returns 0 and a path to the socket
2022-06-17 19:49:27	susi	is this semohew related to this rootless xorg thing?
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2022-06-17 19:50:08	susi	I also can't use i3-msg anymore in my --user units, it won't work either
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2022-06-17 19:52:06	susi	do I need to set I3SOCK manually from now on, and why running xorg rootless would even affect this?
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2022-06-17 19:55:19	progandy	you might have to set the DISPLAY variable for your systemd user session if it doesn't happen automatically.
2022-06-17 19:56:12	susi	ah, that's it, thanks
2022-06-17 19:56:42	progandy	you should probably try to run/include all files in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d 
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2022-06-17 20:03:18	jelle	caveman: what sucks about newsboat?
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2022-06-17 20:03:48	caveman	requires ruby and is terminal.  can't render RTL text properly.
2022-06-17 20:04:06	caveman	no images, etc.
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2022-06-17 20:04:18	jelle	caveman: uhh what FUD did you read :D
2022-06-17 20:04:51	jelle	it's c++/rust and requires no ruby :)
2022-06-17 20:05:01	jelle	anyway I recommend miniflux
2022-06-17 20:05:12	caveman	err, i mean, rust.
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2022-06-17 20:05:31	jelle	caveman: what's wrong with rust now? :D
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2022-06-17 20:05:54	caveman	miniflux runs in a web browser?
2022-06-17 20:06:02	jelle	caveman: yes
2022-06-17 20:06:12	caveman	so i guess i will go with rssguard.
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2022-06-17 20:07:52	lachesis	hi guys, docker networking isn't working after an upgrade yesterday. i use nftables not iptables and i believe i have masquerading rules set up right and ip_forward=1. any thoughts?
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2022-06-17 20:10:22	Khorne	Did you reboot?
2022-06-17 20:10:24	lachesis	yes
2022-06-17 20:12:02	Warepire	lachesis: uname -a && pacman -Qi linux(-lts)
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2022-06-17 20:13:18	caveman	jelle: thing is, newsboat can't do right-to-left texts right.  e.g. arabic.  also, doesn't have neat trees (but tags).  tags sort of suck imo.  plus, the straw that broke donkey's back is some rust dependency, i guess called boundler that caused issues during my updates, that only newsboat required it.  so time to nuke newsboat for good.
2022-06-17 20:13:23	lachesis	Linux finch 5.18.3-arch1-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu, 09 Jun 2022 16:14:10 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2022-06-17 20:13:29	lachesis	Version         : 5.18.3.arch1-1
2022-06-17 20:13:44	progandy	caveman: if you really need rtl you could maybe try to run newsboat in an RTL-aware terminal like wezterm --config bidi_enabled = true ?
2022-06-17 20:13:51	lachesis	Docker version 20.10.17, build 100c70180f  also fwiw
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2022-06-17 20:15:00	lachesis	afaict there are no rules in any of the iptables chains; nft has postrouting masquerade set up for my outbound interface
2022-06-17 20:15:01	jelle	caveman: rust dependency? That's not even runtime...
2022-06-17 20:15:08	progandy	you are building it from source?
2022-06-17 20:15:43	caveman	jelle: newsboat wanted it.
2022-06-17 20:15:59	◣	brenix (~brenix@user/brenix) ha salido (Client Quit)
2022-06-17 20:16:09	jelle	caveman: no, it's a makedependency not runtime
2022-06-17 20:16:21	caveman	i see.
2022-06-17 20:16:26	caveman	anyway.  newsboat is bad.
2022-06-17 20:16:41	⚡ 	jelle facepalms
2022-06-17 20:16:42	susi	fite!
2022-06-17 20:16:57	caveman	i'm glad that i couldn't resolve that issue, so that i switch to rssguard (let's hope this is better).
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2022-06-17 20:18:57	lachesis	oh hold on... my default route is preferring wlan0 now?
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2022-06-17 20:19:00	lachesis	that's gonna break everything...
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2022-06-17 20:19:22	lachesis	how did the metric on eth0 get set so high?
2022-06-17 20:19:29	⚡ 	lachesis shakes fist at NetworkManager 
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2022-06-17 20:19:39	teraflops	wlan0 and NM?
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2022-06-17 20:21:43	lachesis	hrm... still giving me metric 20010 for eth0
2022-06-17 20:22:30	lachesis	well i can manually fix it with route del / route add... that'll unblock me for now
2022-06-17 20:23:00	lachesis	i really ought to replace NM with systemd-networkd, but i haven't figured out the on-the-fly wifi config part of it yet
2022-06-17 20:23:03	grawity	the default route gets a +20000 if the "connectivity check" URL from NetworkManager --print-config is unreachable
2022-06-17 20:23:18	grawity	which, well, is the point of the "connectivity check" feature
2022-06-17 20:23:31	lachesis	hmm i have http://ping.archlinux.org/nm-check.txt there
2022-06-17 20:23:35	lachesis	which seems reachable according to curl
2022-06-17 20:24:02	lachesis	my latest upgrade didn't touch network manager tho
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2022-06-17 20:24:53	lachesis	can i just disable that "feature"?
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2022-06-17 20:26:15	progandy	lachesis: no idea
2022-06-17 20:26:25	progandy	if you really want to replace NM you could maybe use networkd for wired, and iwd with its built-in network configuration for wireless?
2022-06-17 20:26:43	lachesis	gawen, yea when i'm on eth0 only, i get "limited" in response to "nmcli networking connectivity check"
2022-06-17 20:26:46	lachesis	but i can still curl that URL just fine
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2022-06-17 20:27:17	grawity	over both ipv4 and ipv6?
2022-06-17 20:27:22	lachesis	good q... let me try
2022-06-17 20:27:27	lachesis	yes
2022-06-17 20:27:29	grawity	NM checks both independently
2022-06-17 20:27:48	lachesis	erm sorry gawen, i meant to ping grawity 
2022-06-17 20:29:06	progandy	you can completely disable the connectivity check, I have no idea what that will do to the route metric, though
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2022-06-17 20:30:10	lachesis	i see someone else reporting a similar issue against manjaro 5 days ago
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2022-06-17 20:32:16	lachesis	odd... i don't see anything in tcpdump when i run nmcli networking connectivity check
2022-06-17 20:33:30	progandy	It may fail during dns lookup.
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2022-06-17 20:34:55	progandy	which dns servers does it use for the connectivity check anyways? the global ones or does it force the use of interface dns?
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2022-06-17 20:41:36	teraflops	lachesis: https://paste.priet.us/IxSp.png
2022-06-17 20:41:38	lachesis	the person who complained on manjaro ended up downgrading NM to 1.34.0-1
2022-06-17 20:42:17	lachesis	teraflops, yea i 100% do not see that. i did "tcpdump -i eth0 -n port 80" and got nothing at all during my checks
2022-06-17 20:42:45	lachesis	confirmed my tcpdump works by calling curl on that url, then i see the request
2022-06-17 20:43:01	lachesis	i tried stracing the running process but all i see is futex_wait stuff... i'm no expert on strace + pthreads so likely doing something wrong
2022-06-17 20:43:35	bud	if you don't something 100% you are basically doing it?
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2022-06-17 20:44:00	lachesis	bud, idk i think if you 100% don't have cancer that is good news
2022-06-17 20:44:06	lachesis	vs if you 90% don't have cancer
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2022-06-17 20:44:50	bud	it's 90% good news
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2022-06-17 20:45:06	bud	i take it
2022-06-17 20:45:15	Vorpal	lachesis: wait is this a widespread problem with docker and NM? Seems to work for me, though a fairly basic config.
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2022-06-17 20:45:35	lachesis	Vorpal, the docker issue just comes from the fact that i only have nft masquerade rules for my eth0 adapter
2022-06-17 20:45:37	lachesis	not wlan0
2022-06-17 20:45:53	lachesis	usually i'd end up with a smaller route metric on eth0 than wlan0
2022-06-17 20:46:01	Vorpal	ah, right. I'm on desktop, so wouldn't notice that. I haven't used docker on my laptop for a while
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2022-06-17 20:46:06	teraflops	same here, I do have docker and NM in the machine I pasted the tcpdump
2022-06-17 20:46:11	lachesis	but right now i'm getting "full" connectivity over wlan0 but "limited" connectivity on wlan0 (according to NM)
2022-06-17 20:46:20	lachesis	erm excuse me, i meant eth0 limited
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2022-06-17 20:46:27	Vorpal	oh, weird
2022-06-17 20:47:00	lachesis	yea which seems to be incorrect... i don't see it trying the connectivity check in tcpdump, and i am able to fetch the connectivity check URL just fine using curl
2022-06-17 20:47:03	Vorpal	lachesis: what firewall do you use if any?
2022-06-17 20:47:09	lachesis	nftables
2022-06-17 20:47:15	Vorpal	oh okay, nothing on top?
2022-06-17 20:47:18	lachesis	nope
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2022-06-17 20:47:56	Vorpal	right. I have firewalld + nftables + NM on my laptop (because that allows for different firewall zones based on SSID)
2022-06-17 20:48:08	teraflops	lachesis: why are your nics not getting the predictable interface names?
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2022-06-17 20:48:24	lachesis	teraflops, because i turned it off, because they are extremely unpredictable and i hate them :)
2022-06-17 20:48:29	teraflops	heh
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2022-06-17 20:50:00	lachesis	i used to be able to count on eth0 being a valid ethernet adapter (maybe not the right one, but at least it was there). now maybe it's enp1s0 or maybe it's enp65s0f1 or maybe it's eno1
2022-06-17 20:50:09	Vorpal	also isn't the naming different when you use iwd instead of wpa_supplicant or something?
2022-06-17 20:50:20	susi	there's net.ifnames=0 if one wants to have wlan0/eth0 etc
2022-06-17 20:50:30	teraflops	yeah iirc iwd disables(break) that
2022-06-17 20:50:47	Vorpal	also I had issues with the new fancy names not being predictable. My ethernet adapter name in this desktop changed after I installed an M2 drive
2022-06-17 20:50:48	Vorpal	wtf
2022-06-17 20:50:57	jelle	Vorpal: makes sense
2022-06-17 20:51:01	teraflops	yeah
2022-06-17 20:51:01	susi	man systemd.net-naming-scheme has useful information too
2022-06-17 20:51:02	lachesis	Vorpal, checks out
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2022-06-17 20:51:07	Vorpal	jelle: why though?
2022-06-17 20:51:13	jelle	susi: you don't want to recommend that
2022-06-17 20:51:29	jelle	Vorpal: because it's name is the literal hardware address name and as it's a bus... :)
2022-06-17 20:51:33	susi	I recommend checking man systemd.net-naming-scheme :-)
2022-06-17 20:51:57	Vorpal	jelle: yes, but shouldn't an unused PCIE slot still reserve that name? I did not expect everything to move up one space
2022-06-17 20:52:11	susi	https://systemd.io/PREDICTABLE_INTERFACE_NAMES/
2022-06-17 20:52:12	phrik	Title: Predictable Network Interface Names (at systemd.io)
2022-06-17 20:52:13	jelle	Vorpal: and yet it did :)
2022-06-17 20:52:18	jelle	susi: old bullshit :)
2022-06-17 20:52:31	lachesis	wait the man page is wrong?
2022-06-17 20:52:51	Vorpal	jelle: as I understand it PCIE is a point-to-point bus with the chipset (or CPU). Not like the old PCI bus where everything was basically on a shared bus
2022-06-17 20:52:59	Vorpal	so no, it doesn't make sense to me
2022-06-17 20:52:59	susi	>You create your own manual naming scheme, for example by naming your interfaces internet0, dmz0 or lan0. For that create your own .link files in /etc/systemd/network/, that choose an explicit name or a better naming scheme for one, some, or all of your interfaces. See systemd.link(5) for more information.
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2022-06-17 20:53:08	Vorpal	also the physical locations haven't changed
2022-06-17 20:53:39	lachesis	susi, yea that's the way it probably should be done. i'm just salty that i can't make a standard interface config that says "eth0" anymore b/c who knows if i have that?
2022-06-17 20:53:51	susi	Vorpal: maybe it happened, that something was reserved at wrong time, some racey-thing
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2022-06-17 20:55:05	Vorpal	susi: hm
2022-06-17 20:55:16	progandy	lachesis: Someone was annoyed that there was a race with two nics, so you never knew if you wanted eth0 or eth1
2022-06-17 20:55:43	susi	my wlp2s0 also sometimes changes name between boots, just like my /dev/mmcblk0 is sometimes /dev/mmcblk1
2022-06-17 20:55:47	lachesis	couldn't they just have left the old names alone and added udev rules to pick which ones are which?
2022-06-17 20:55:56	Foxboron	lachesis: thats what they are doing
2022-06-17 20:55:56	Vorpal	why can't it just assign a name once and remember it based on MAC address. didn't there use to be such a thing on some distro or other?
2022-06-17 20:56:14	Foxboron	lachesis: You can just tell udev to stop doing the standardized naming if you want unpredictable names on your interfaces
2022-06-17 20:56:20	lachesis	Foxboron, yea i did
2022-06-17 20:56:23	Foxboron	Great
2022-06-17 20:56:24	lachesis	i just don't get why they had to change the names
2022-06-17 20:56:27	progandy	yes. and then the systemd names were invented
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2022-06-17 20:56:41	lachesis	instead of just adding a rule to set them to be consistent but keep the old ethX naming
2022-06-17 20:56:47	Foxboron	lachesis: Did you miss the explenation you where given?
2022-06-17 20:56:48	susi	Vorpal: you can create a systemd .link file with MACAddress=
2022-06-17 20:57:02	Foxboron	lachesis: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ the entire documents explains everything quite well
2022-06-17 20:57:04	phrik	Title: PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames (at www.freedesktop.org)
2022-06-17 20:57:08	Foxboron	s/documents/document/
2022-06-17 20:57:44	lachesis	yea that doc explains that they once did exactly what i said
2022-06-17 20:57:49	lachesis	but then it didn't work in some corner cases
2022-06-17 20:58:01	lachesis	so they broke the entire thing in all cases and forced the world to change to accomidate it
2022-06-17 20:58:06	lachesis	i just don't appreciate that choice
2022-06-17 20:58:17	lachesis	not saying they can't do what they want or anything... just wish they had done otherwise
2022-06-17 20:58:26	Foxboron	They didn't "force" any change. They offered and distros implemented it
2022-06-17 20:58:42	susi	lachesis: see the doc fox linked, it has "Why?"
2022-06-17 20:59:40	progandy	lachesis: for your connectivity issue: NM does query a specific interface DNS, something like 
2022-06-17 20:59:40	progandy	resolvectl --inteface=eth0 query ping.archlinux.org
2022-06-17 20:59:41	susi	if you happened to have multiple cards, there's no guarantee that eth0 is the one you'd expect it to be
2022-06-17 21:00:00	lachesis	well well
2022-06-17 21:00:00	lachesis	ping.archlinux.org: resolve call failed: No appropriate name servers or networks for name found
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2022-06-17 21:00:37	progandy	so you have no nameserver set for that interface?
2022-06-17 21:00:42	lachesis	correct apparently
2022-06-17 21:00:43	lachesis	now if i leave the interface line off, it works great (even if that's my only connected interface)
2022-06-17 21:01:06	lachesis	of course it should be getting nameservers from dhcp
2022-06-17 21:01:24	progandy	resolved has fallback nameservers, it may not use those if you choose a specific interface
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2022-06-17 21:01:40	lachesis	yep that is what appears to be happening
2022-06-17 21:02:00	lachesis	ok... now what could possibly cause network manager to fail to get the address from dhcp
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2022-06-17 21:02:03	lachesis	let me make sure i'm sending it
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2022-06-17 21:02:36	progandy	and make sure your profile is not set to ip-only
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2022-06-17 21:03:09	lachesis	yea the DHCP ack contains a DNS server
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2022-06-17 21:03:55	lachesis	pretty sure the connection profile is set up right... it says "Automatic (DHCP)" and no other settings
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2022-06-17 21:05:56	lachesis	i just recreated the wired connection profile in networkmanager in case that was the problem... no difference
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2022-06-17 21:08:00	progandy	there goes that idea. good luck. You can always try to disable the connectivity check: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NetworkManager#Checking_connectivity
2022-06-17 21:08:01	phrik	Title: NetworkManager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-06-17 21:08:51	lachesis	that's so weird... the wlan0 DNS servers are grabbed from DHCP
2022-06-17 21:08:53	lachesis	but not the eth0 ones
2022-06-17 21:09:00	lachesis	i just tried hard-coding a dns server in nm config
2022-06-17 21:09:04	lachesis	still not showing up in resolvectl
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2022-06-17 21:09:49	lachesis	if i just run a manual:  sudo resolvectl dns eth0 192.168.60.1   then connectivity check is full again
2022-06-17 21:10:50	lachesis	hmm no actually i take that back
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2022-06-17 21:11:30	lachesis	resolvectl --interface=eth0 query ping.archlinux.org    still fails
2022-06-17 21:11:34	lachesis	even with an explicitly configured DNS server
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2022-06-17 21:13:27	lachesis	!paste
2022-06-17 21:13:27	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-06-17 21:15:38	lachesis	https://bpa.st/BVEQ  <-- resolvectl status
2022-06-17 21:15:39	phrik	Title: View paste BVEQ (at bpa.st)
2022-06-17 21:15:51	lachesis	and yet i still cannot query using --interface=eth0
2022-06-17 21:17:00	lachesis	i can query that server just fine (with host ping.archlinux.org 192.168.60.1)
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2022-06-17 21:20:43	lachesis	alright well i have to get back to work... i have a workaround (disconnect from wifi) for now... thanks for helping me get this far in troubleshooting!
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2022-06-17 21:55:53	Abdullah	so I have two vagrant instances running in background with virtualbox on my arch box. Is it bad practice to lid close/suspend my system while they are running? Or I should halt them before suspending?
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2022-06-17 21:56:18	Abdullah	going to suspend my system for whole night
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2022-06-17 21:57:19	jelle	Abdullah: should be fine
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2022-06-17 21:57:31	Abdullah	jelle: Thank you 
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2022-06-17 22:03:12	CarloWood	I just had my discord frozen; so I killed it and tried to restart it. But it refused, saying there was a newer version. Then I ran 'pacman -Syu' and low and behold a new version was "installed".
2022-06-17 22:03:34	CarloWood	That is, when then I started discord, it quickly downloaded and installed stuff.
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2022-06-17 22:04:22	CarloWood	This gives me a bad feeling: if someone with power would want to break into my PC - they can apparently install whatever they want, if they ask discord nicely :/.
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2022-06-17 22:05:04	CarloWood	So I was wondering - is it possible to run discord in some kind of jail, so no matter how evil discord gets, they can't access my machine?
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2022-06-17 22:05:49	demonicmaniac1	you don't run discord as root hopefully so it only downloads and puts stuff into ~
2022-06-17 22:05:57	demonicmaniac1	which is what everything can do also every website 
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2022-06-17 22:06:33	demonicmaniac1	essentially discord package is a "launcher" that fetches new stuff from discord servers itself and puts it under ~
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2022-06-17 22:06:58	CarloWood	Nah, I *run* discord - if they can "upgrade" - aka, install whatever executable they want - then they can run executables as me, no? Websites can't do that.
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2022-06-17 22:07:22	demonicmaniac1	the "executable" is in ~
2022-06-17 22:07:36	demonicmaniac1	they cannot write to system files. and everything ever can write executables into ~ and launch them
2022-06-17 22:07:38	bud	all my private documents is in ~
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2022-06-17 22:08:25	CarloWood	carlo    1598264  0.0  0.1 572980 62332 tty1     Sl   21:49   0:00 /opt/discord/Discord ...
2022-06-17 22:08:27	demonicmaniac1	even if you make ~ noexec anybody can put a sh or py or rb or pl script in there and launch it explicitly via sh file.sh python file.py etcpp
2022-06-17 22:08:46	CarloWood	it's in /opt/discord, but it is running as *me* - that is not good :/.
2022-06-17 22:09:03	progandy	which is why some people use sandboxing
2022-06-17 22:09:06	CarloWood	Downloading stuff from discord servers == closed source
2022-06-17 22:09:08	demonicmaniac1	the stuff downloaded is in ~/.config/discord
2022-06-17 22:09:38	CarloWood	progandy: I guess that's what I am asking for.. how to run discord in a sandbox.
2022-06-17 22:09:42	demonicmaniac1	you can see that when you start it that downloads it into ~/.config and not into /opt
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2022-06-17 22:10:27	progandy	CarloWood: try firejail and search for a discord profile, maybe you can find one.
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2022-06-17 22:10:58	demonicmaniac1	and again everything you run as your user can access ~ and write to ~ and launch stuff in ~
2022-06-17 22:13:06	demonicmaniac1	you can also use discord in your browser since it's electron/chromium anyways the web version is pretty much the same
2022-06-17 22:13:55	demonicmaniac1	keep in mind that firejail will make it merry hell to try and get voice chatting working and streaming/screensharing through discord or hw acceleration
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2022-06-17 22:16:11	CarloWood	I feel like I have no control over my own PC :/.  I can plug some security holes like this, but there will always be others :\
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2022-06-17 22:20:03	topcat001	just run discord in a VM
2022-06-17 22:20:35	topcat001	use something like xpra to show its window
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2022-06-17 22:22:35	susi	CONFIG_NET=n
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2022-06-17 22:23:19	bud	https://0x0.st/ouOY.png extremetuxracer 8.2 is out!
2022-06-17 22:23:32	topcat001	\(^o^)/
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2022-06-17 22:23:58	topcat001	I have played much tuxracer
2022-06-17 22:24:18	topcat001	our entire physics phd program was addicted to it lol
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2022-06-17 22:25:08	bud	:D
2022-06-17 22:25:20	topcat001	while true {do_math; latex_results; tuxracer;}
2022-06-17 22:25:56	susi	what about while true { do_math(latex_results(tuxracer)); }
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2022-06-17 22:26:11	topcat001	hmmmm :)
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2022-06-17 22:26:47	topcat001	we had a whiteboard with high scores
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2022-06-17 22:27:02	topcat001	the math department was our nemesis
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2022-06-18 12:04:51	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-06-18 12:04:51	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1425 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1425 normals)
2022-06-18 03:20:10	gehidore	am I the only person who hasn't had a single issue with realtek shit?
2022-06-18 03:20:27	thurstylark	*gasp* a unicorn :P
2022-06-18 03:20:29	gehidore	I've had so many of them
2022-06-18 03:20:43	Edu4rdSHL	https://paste.rs/0Rn 
2022-06-18 03:21:01	Edu4rdSHL	Everything seems fine... but then it simply doesnt detect devices
2022-06-18 03:21:19	Edu4rdSHL	But, **other devices can detect it**, like the phone for example
2022-06-18 03:21:37	Edu4rdSHL	But I can't tell my headphone to detect my bluetooth :p
2022-06-18 03:23:23	thurstylark	do you have other bluetooth devices to test with? Like, can the computer see your phone if you make it discoverable?
2022-06-18 03:24:54	Edu4rdSHL	Yeah, other devices works just fine (I have a laptop), the problem is with the dongle >.<
2022-06-18 03:25:24	thurstylark	no, I mean can that dongle see devices other than the headphones you're trying to connect to it
2022-06-18 03:25:35	Edu4rdSHL	Aaah no, it can't see any device
2022-06-18 03:25:39	Edu4rdSHL	Not the phone, anything
2022-06-18 03:26:00	Edu4rdSHL	But as I said, I can see the dongle with the phone and pair it
2022-06-18 03:27:28	Edu4rdSHL	Ok...
2022-06-18 03:27:30	Edu4rdSHL	So
2022-06-18 03:27:46	Edu4rdSHL	It was because I connected the device to a USB 3.0 port instead of 2.x
2022-06-18 03:27:49	Edu4rdSHL	>.<
2022-06-18 03:27:53	thurstylark	lol
2022-06-18 03:27:55	thurstylark	waow
2022-06-18 03:28:28	thurstylark	welp... good job "fixing" it, I guess? :P
2022-06-18 03:29:37	Edu4rdSHL	https://paste.rs/8gE
2022-06-18 03:29:55	Edu4rdSHL	lol, stupid technology >.<
2022-06-18 03:30:44	HuntsMan	that's a heavy implementation error in the chip side
2022-06-18 03:35:41	Betal	how I can solve conflicts using --noconfirm ? only possible using `yes | pacman ..` ? 
2022-06-18 03:36:34	Scimmia	pretty much. Conflicts are usually something you want to actually look at, so the default is no
2022-06-18 03:40:59	tirnanog	wouldn't that simply amount to a clunkier --overwrite '*'?
2022-06-18 03:42:03	thurstylark	depends on whether we're talking about file conflicts or package conflicts
2022-06-18 03:42:09	tirnanog	oh, right.
2022-06-18 03:42:24	thurstylark	and file conflicts can't be resolved by just answering yes
2022-06-18 03:43:13	Betal	thurstylark: package conflicts
2022-06-18 03:43:41	Betal	iam trying to install iptables-nft by script/ansible, and it conflict with iptables
2022-06-18 03:44:21	thurstylark	then uninstall it first?
2022-06-18 03:45:29	Betal	thurstylark: it is required by systemd
2022-06-18 03:46:15	thurstylark	then tell pacman to do it anyways, and install iptables-nft right away
2022-06-18 03:46:21	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Removing_packages
2022-06-18 03:46:22	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-18 03:51:11	tirnanog	in case anyone is wondering why, it's because systemd uses libiptc to implement a feature or two, like systemd-nspawn --port.
2022-06-18 03:53:07	grtcdr	Why does Firefox crash when I try to change the fonts in the settings page?
2022-06-18 03:53:47	gehidore	firefox makes me ask why it crashes for obscure things frequently
2022-06-18 03:53:52	gehidore	for some reason I still use it
2022-06-18 03:53:59	grtcdr	I'm really tired of this.
2022-06-18 03:54:04	grtcdr	I don't like the default monospace font.
2022-06-18 03:54:07	sheep	sounds like a bug
2022-06-18 03:54:17	grtcdr	It really does seem like it.
2022-06-18 03:54:20	grtcdr	And it's reproducible.
2022-06-18 03:54:26	grtcdr	Every single time, it crashes.
2022-06-18 03:54:39	grtcdr	Upon showing the font selection dropdown.
2022-06-18 03:54:42	grtcdr	It dies.
2022-06-18 03:54:42	sheep	are you using X or wayland?
2022-06-18 03:54:47	grtcdr	Wayland.
2022-06-18 03:55:02	sheep	sounds like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1575474 which was apparently fixed in firefox 72
2022-06-18 03:55:07	phrik	Title: 1575474 - Selecting font crashes (segfault) firefox on wayland (at bugzilla.mozilla.org)
2022-06-18 03:55:23	grtcdr	I think there's been a regression.
2022-06-18 03:55:43	Namarrgon	what do you change the font from and to what?
2022-06-18 03:56:07	grtcdr	I want to change the Monospace family from Noto Mono to Roboto Mono.
2022-06-18 03:56:16	sheep	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1755179 is another one
2022-06-18 03:56:19	phrik	Title: 1755179 - Update to freetype causes "Your tab just crashed" (at bugzilla.mozilla.org)
2022-06-18 03:56:27	sheep	are you using the arch package, or are you using snap?
2022-06-18 03:56:49	grtcdr	Arch for sure.
2022-06-18 03:57:35	grtcdr	v101.0.1
2022-06-18 03:58:02	grtcdr	I highly doubt my fontconfig configuration is messing with it.
2022-06-18 03:58:12	grtcdr	If that's of any relevance.
2022-06-18 03:58:20	sheep	do you get any error logs if you run firefox in a shell?
2022-06-18 03:58:38	Namarrgon	what about a clean profile or even a clean ~?
2022-06-18 03:58:39	grtcdr	firefox no longer outputs anything to the shell for me since a few versions ago.
2022-06-18 03:58:44	grtcdr	Let me try that
2022-06-18 03:59:09	grtcdr	Wait, I forgot how to do that? is it about:profiles
2022-06-18 03:59:18	Namarrgon	firefox -P
2022-06-18 04:00:05	grtcdr	Thanks!
2022-06-18 04:00:34	grtcdr	I got the error
2022-06-18 04:00:36	grtcdr	Let me link it
2022-06-18 04:00:58	grtcdr	(With a clean profile)
2022-06-18 04:00:59	grtcdr	https://bpa.st/BIZA
2022-06-18 04:00:59	phrik	Title: View paste BIZA (at bpa.st)
2022-06-18 04:01:13	grtcdr	Missing listener, could that be it?
2022-06-18 04:01:21	sheep	is there anything in dmesg?
2022-06-18 04:01:52	grtcdr	Nothing relevant.
2022-06-18 04:02:10	grtcdr	There's a drm error
2022-06-18 04:02:21	grtcdr	That's part of the graphics layer right?
2022-06-18 04:02:26	NetSysFire	!dmesg
2022-06-18 04:02:27	grtcdr	Could that be causing this issue?
2022-06-18 04:02:27	sheep	yes
2022-06-18 04:02:27	phrik	Always check your journal when possible, not your dmesg. The journal includes the dmesg together with other helpful and possibly relevant logs. journalctl also has more options to search and filter messages.
2022-06-18 04:02:33	NetSysFire	firefox wont log to the dmesg but to the journal
2022-06-18 04:02:39	grtcdr	Oh!
2022-06-18 04:02:41	Namarrgon	oh, i can reproduce it now
2022-06-18 04:02:48	grtcdr	[171186.360640] i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] *ERROR* Atomic update failure on pipe A (start=162011 end=162012) time 137 us, min 1073, max 1079, scanline start 1071, end 1081
2022-06-18 04:02:48	grtcdr	 
2022-06-18 04:02:57	grtcdr	Let me see the journal.
2022-06-18 04:03:04	NetSysFire	fun
2022-06-18 04:04:09	grtcdr	It's not logging anything to the journal... what the hell?
2022-06-18 04:06:11	grtcdr	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1769366
2022-06-18 04:06:14	phrik	Title: 1769366 - [Sway] Firefox crashes/exits with 11 upon using, amongst others, language menu (at bugzilla.mozilla.org)
2022-06-18 04:06:23	grtcdr	This seems to hint at it being a sway issue rather than Firefox.
2022-06-18 04:06:45	sheep	maybe it happens with other wlroots based compositors?
2022-06-18 04:06:55	grtcdr	Most definitely
2022-06-18 04:08:07	grtcdr	I really hope it's sway and not firefox, because I've exhausted all options.
2022-06-18 04:08:22	sheep	it might be
2022-06-18 04:08:41	grtcdr	sway's git logs don't suggest a fix related to this.
2022-06-18 04:08:55	sheep	it might have fixed something else that also fixed this
2022-06-18 04:09:01	grtcdr	Perhaps
2022-06-18 04:11:04	sheep	https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/7011 ?
2022-06-18 04:12:30	grtcdr	I'm reading through it
2022-06-18 04:13:17	grtcdr	Yes, exactly my issue, except with a different prompt.
2022-06-18 04:14:04	grtcdr	It might take a while for another sway release though.
2022-06-18 04:14:13	grtcdr	I'm not going through compiling it from source ever again.
2022-06-18 04:14:22	sheep	maybe it's one of these https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed+linked%3Apr+firefox+
2022-06-18 04:14:30	sheep	what's wrong with compiling it from source?
2022-06-18 04:14:49	grtcdr	It's way too much hassle for very little benefit, I had lots of issues with conflicting versions.
2022-06-18 04:14:59	grtcdr	Also too many moving parts
2022-06-18 04:15:08	sheep	did you try the sway-git AUR package?
2022-06-18 04:15:37	grtcdr	I didn't do that... I know... very stupid. I compiled it from source without the use of the AUR.
2022-06-18 04:16:50	Betal	thurstylark: thanks the idea :), the force remove + install works
2022-06-18 04:51:12	thurstylark	\o/
2022-06-18 05:38:06	_DOOM_	I need help with includes in c with gtk
2022-06-18 05:39:17	sheep	gtk 2, 3, or 4?
2022-06-18 05:39:21	_DOOM_	4
2022-06-18 05:39:36	_DOOM_	Though I think it would permeate to all of them
2022-06-18 05:40:37	sheep	what problem are you having with the includes?
2022-06-18 05:41:52	_DOOM_	Since in the filesystem gtk4 is in the gtk-4.0 directory including it causes errors because the entire gtk library references to gtk rather than gtk-4.0/gtk. 
2022-06-18 05:42:10	_DOOM_	So I'm just unable to get things like auto complete with my ide.
2022-06-18 05:42:27	sheep	did you try running gcc with the cflags from pkg-config --cflags gtk-4?
2022-06-18 05:42:42	bud	_DOOM_: are you using LSP?
2022-06-18 05:42:48	_DOOM_	Yes
2022-06-18 05:43:01	_DOOM_	In doom emacs
2022-06-18 05:43:14	_DOOM_	the line for c in my config.el is (cc +lsp)
2022-06-18 05:43:16	bud	i remember i got that working with sublime and a LSP, let me check
2022-06-18 05:43:30	_DOOM_	bud: thank you
2022-06-18 05:43:59	_DOOM_	sheep: compiling isn't the issue those commands work fine.
2022-06-18 05:44:02	bud	for me ccls worked best
2022-06-18 05:44:56	bud	and i needed to add a file .ccls in the root of the project with all makeflags (basically everything that pkg-config --libs --cflags LIBS... outputs.
2022-06-18 05:45:25	_DOOM_	Yeah
2022-06-18 05:45:27	bud	https://github.com/emacs-lsp/emacs-ccls
2022-06-18 05:48:13	mizuu	how bad is hibernating twice a day with 16gb ram and 512gb nvme ssd?
2022-06-18 05:48:49	xnovax-	why would it be bad?
2022-06-18 05:50:29	_DOOM_	mizuu: not that much worse than any regular use I think
2022-06-18 05:50:46	mizuu	xnovax-: damage due to excessing writes?
2022-06-18 05:50:56	mizuu	exessive*
2022-06-18 05:51:05	xnovax-	you should have less of them if you are hibernation..?
2022-06-18 05:51:30	bud	_DOOM_: also make sure you print one flag per line in .ccls, this is dirty but works:
2022-06-18 05:52:22	mizuu	xnovax-: but hibernation itself would write my ram to the disk, which i assume is a considerable amount
2022-06-18 05:52:30	_DOOM_	bud: I will try to get that working with emacs
2022-06-18 05:53:20	roniez_	mizuu, during these hibernation periods how long we talking?
2022-06-18 05:53:25	roniez_	2hrs? 6 hrs? 12 hrs? 
2022-06-18 05:53:35	bud	good luck, it was a couple of months since i did that stuff, but i remember trying different LSP but i found ccls to be both easiest and fastest .
2022-06-18 05:53:54	SponiX	mizuu: unless a really low budget ssd, chances are it will outlive the rest of the systems usefulness anyway
2022-06-18 05:54:04	mizuu	roniez_: a couple hours during the day and around 8hrs overnight
2022-06-18 05:54:05	SponiX	with or without the hibernation
2022-06-18 05:54:06	bud	_DOOM_: also check with #emacs people.
2022-06-18 05:54:16	xnovax-	mizuu: theres no need to assume, you have 16G of ram. its not going to write more than that to your disk, which is 512G. so its pretty tiny in comparision, and since its nvme, will go fast. 
2022-06-18 05:55:04	_DOOM_	I will
2022-06-18 05:55:35	roniez_	like SponiX said the current state of the SSD world and the msata and nvme disks are so good some of them will outlive physical disks. with same amount of read/write, 
2022-06-18 05:55:36	roniez_	Unless you ordered from wish or alibaba 
2022-06-18 05:56:33	xnovax-	yeah agreed, its not really an issue and definitely not something to worry about
2022-06-18 05:56:37	mizuu	hah, well my ssd is the one that shipped with the laptop, which is probably not that cheap
2022-06-18 05:56:51	xnovax-	theres plenty of other things you could do to reduce the i/o on your disk
2022-06-18 05:56:55	roniez_	i would assume its either kensington or samsun or western digital
2022-06-18 05:57:02	xnovax-	while the box is turned on
2022-06-18 05:57:48	SponiX	mizuu: you have nothing to worry about then. your cpu fan, thermal paste, and heat sink having issues are a LOT more likely with age than the SSD wearing out
2022-06-18 05:58:07	xnovax-	and data corruption
2022-06-18 05:58:51	SponiX	xnovax-: On Linux with one of its fairly native file systems, I've never really had an issue with that (or maybe I just didn't notice)
2022-06-18 06:00:19	mizuu	right, thats reassuring. my new laptop doesn't have the usual s3 sleep state and so im forced to hibernate to save my work overnight
2022-06-18 06:00:27	xnovax-	almost all the mainstream distros by default use ext4, which isnt the greatest filesystem to safeguard against data corruption, but sure you probably just didnt notice, or you are just lucky for now
2022-06-18 06:00:55	xnovax-	but theres endless stories you can find, about the issue
2022-06-18 06:01:10	xnovax-	drives dying, data corrupting, and lots of hell
2022-06-18 06:01:46	xnovax-	if you dont have data backups, than your data doesnt exit ;)
2022-06-18 06:02:12	xnovax-	exist*
2022-06-18 06:02:13	roniez_	multiple backups... 
2022-06-18 06:02:15	SponiX	my data is officially not important. Because I don't have backups
2022-06-18 06:02:43	xnovax-	is booting up your system important?
2022-06-18 06:02:47	_DOOM_	bud: I think I got it working? But I'm still getting errors with unknown types.
2022-06-18 06:03:10	SponiX	xnovax-: I'm making an OS backup right now (using rsync)
2022-06-18 06:03:22	xnovax-	there u go then. 
2022-06-18 06:03:27	xnovax-	rsync wont back everything up, but its a start.
2022-06-18 06:03:51	_DOOM_	bud: Like the include of gtk-4.0/gtk/gtk.h isn't causing issues but I'm still getting certain errors.
2022-06-18 06:04:14	SponiX	xnovax-: what do you recommend for an OS backup?
2022-06-18 06:04:56	xnovax-	dont really have any recommendation. but i would suggest backing the disks up in their entirety
2022-06-18 06:05:41	xnovax-	that way you can just restore it in one go, and be done with it
2022-06-18 06:06:18	xnovax-	rsync isnt going to backup your gpt headers for example, and grub, and stuff like this
2022-06-18 06:06:31	xnovax-	rsync wont care about your partition layouts
2022-06-18 06:06:34	roniez_	don't think it was suppose to 
2022-06-18 06:06:42	roniez_	it will only backup his filesystem content
2022-06-18 06:06:51	roniez_	so he can later browse it if needed
2022-06-18 06:06:58	bud	_DOOM_: yeah, this is not really for this channel, you have #gtk/gnome on matrix, and #programming and #c here on libera. I have never used gtk4. but i just tried ccls now on a gtk3 project, here is the .ccls file, maybe you can get some ideas: https://0x0.st/ouWp.txt
2022-06-18 06:07:04	xnovax-	exactly, which is not really a full backup of a disk, but its a start.
2022-06-18 06:07:42	roniez_	i don't remember if timeshift includes the headers and so on 
2022-06-18 06:08:27	xnovax-	a simple tool one could use is just dd. but you might want something more fancy?
2022-06-18 06:08:36	roniez_	that's what i was thinking
2022-06-18 06:09:05	roniez_	dd if=/dev/sdX of=/path/to/NAS/image.img
2022-06-18 06:09:11	_DOOM_	bud: I understand thank you
2022-06-18 06:09:44	SponiX	will dd function properly on a live drive? I really don't have a time to take my system offline
2022-06-18 06:10:03	roniez_	define live
2022-06-18 06:10:19	roniez_	is it constantly having data written to it?
2022-06-18 06:10:34	rahl	Is it very bad form to submit someone elses public key (which they provided publically via a github comment) to a keyserver?
2022-06-18 06:10:42	xnovax-	SponiX: if your system breaks for some reason, and cant boot, or just crashes, you will kind of have no choice but to take it offline
2022-06-18 06:11:01	xnovax-	or if drive dies, etc.
2022-06-18 06:11:23	roniez_	rahl, its called public key for a reason. :) 
2022-06-18 06:11:36	sheep	it might still be considered rude
2022-06-18 06:12:32	roniez_	it would very well be considered rude or bad manners
2022-06-18 06:12:56	sheep	are you sure that it isn't already in a keyserver somewhere?
2022-06-18 06:12:59	rahl	I have asked them, but no response in over a week. I presume busy or ignoring
2022-06-18 06:13:05	rahl	sheep: sadly yes, afaict
2022-06-18 06:13:20	roniez_	and you cannot remove it? 
2022-06-18 06:13:36	rahl	It's for an aur upload
2022-06-18 06:13:45	rahl	PKGBUILD
2022-06-18 06:14:39	rahl	I was considering just manually including a `.asc` along with the PKGBUILD if that's a reasonable solution
2022-06-18 06:14:56	sheep	if they didn't upload it to a keyserver then don't use it in a PKGBUILD. They might not be ready for it to be uploaded to a public keyserver, and once it's uploaded there, they can't remove it
2022-06-18 06:15:28	rahl	That was why I'm hestitant
2022-06-18 06:15:39	rahl	ok, settled in that regard
2022-06-18 06:15:47	roniez_	meh, personally i would probably upload it, and if someone fusses can just point out the fact that you tried reaching out and no answer was given, and its a public key not a private key
2022-06-18 06:15:55	sheep	people don't like dealing with PGP keys in the AUR anyway
2022-06-18 06:15:57	roniez_	and the key is already public on github
2022-06-18 06:16:04	xnovax-	SponiX: if what you actually meant was, if you can use dd to make a backup of a drive that is already running and mounted, than yeah you could, but its still probably better to make the backup when the device isnt mounted. 
2022-06-18 06:16:08	sheep	the checksum is usually sufficient
2022-06-18 06:16:13	rahl	roniez_: tempting. but still
2022-06-18 06:17:20	xnovax-	SponiX: You could just make your backups, whenever you do kernel updates or something
2022-06-18 06:17:32	xnovax-	since you will be rebooting anyways
2022-06-18 06:17:37	xnovax-	or should be.
2022-06-18 06:17:56	rahl	sheep: fair enough. perhaps I'll settle for the `checksum` then
2022-06-18 06:42:30	_DOOM_	bud: I got it working I didn't have the clang at the top of my .ccls file like in yours.
2022-06-18 06:43:24	bud	sweet!
2022-06-18 06:43:34	mizuu	i just installed a base arch system, how do i make links in discord open in firefox?
2022-06-18 06:44:40	bud	mizuu: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Default_applications
2022-06-18 06:44:42	phrik	Title: Default applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-18 06:46:09	mizuu	bud: ah, thank you!
2022-06-18 06:46:35	roniez_	i have a very interesting problem, my archinstall usb does not want to boot on my desktop pc but will work on my laptop.
2022-06-18 06:48:23	roniez_	tried with nomodeset, i915.modeset=0 and with noueavu.modeset=0 but tnc (to no change), i get the grub boot menu to choose arch install medium and i select that and then just screen goes to a black screen monitor is on with backlight on, but does not respond to input from keyboard or anythging (so ctrl+alt+del) dont work for example.
2022-06-18 06:48:32	roniez_	no error messages before hand 
2022-06-18 06:50:35	roniez_	AMD cpu, with nvidia gpu, GTX 1060, DP to a ultra wide monitor running at 3440x1440p
2022-06-18 07:10:19	mizuu	roniez_: have you tried ssh-ing? maybe you could see the logs
2022-06-18 07:22:21	roniez_	it does not even ask for a dhcp 
2022-06-18 07:23:35	roniez_	gonna try booting with debug=all and see what it gives me
2022-06-18 07:49:42	SponiX	This backup process is boring
2022-06-18 08:18:28	roniez_	well debug did not do shiet for me
2022-06-18 08:18:44	roniez_	and switching from DP to HDMI didnt do anything either
2022-06-18 08:20:44	roniez_	actually gonna bring out another monitor and see if that changes anything doubfull but still
2022-06-18 08:39:53	roniez_	well i solved the booting issue
2022-06-18 08:40:16	roniez_	not sure i am happy with the solution though
2022-06-18 08:42:16	rahl	roniez_: What was the actual problem? Seems an odd one
2022-06-18 08:42:25	roniez_	i had to enable CSM in bios
2022-06-18 08:43:13	roniez_	or in uefi or what ever
2022-06-18 11:35:19	curious-user	hi, my router always passed my trafic through openvpn but now i need to setup l2tp vpn on one of the machines connected to said router
2022-06-18 11:35:56	curious-user	and it looks like my openvpn somehow can't handle l2tp traffic comming through it: "AEAD Decrypt error: cipher final failed"
2022-06-18 11:36:29	curious-user	does it confuses l2tp encryption with its own and fails to decipher trafic?
2022-06-18 11:38:05	CarloWood	So you're not using vpn on the router? Only on that one machine?
2022-06-18 11:38:12	Dreamer3	CCCgrrr, why does using virtual machines always mess up my system
2022-06-18 11:38:26	Dreamer3	all my networking stops working and i finally hve to reboot (my host)
2022-06-18 11:39:51	curious-user	CarloWood: i do use vpn on the router because i'm connected to the internet through it
2022-06-18 11:40:12	Dreamer3	shutting down a VM will always fail then things get weird
2022-06-18 11:40:15	curious-user	CarloWood: so it looks like laptop -> l2tp -> router -> openvpn
2022-06-18 11:40:47	CarloWood	Then you're trying to establish a vpn through another vpn?
2022-06-18 11:40:56	curious-user	CarloWood: correct
2022-06-18 11:42:03	CarloWood	I don't understand enough of the matter to say anything about that. It seems that that should not be possible to "get confused". Traffic should be encrypted, it doesn't matter what the contents are.
2022-06-18 11:43:02	curious-user	CarloWood: yeah, that's what i thought as well but for some reason openvpn spews these erros and i cannot access stuff behind l2tp vpn
2022-06-18 11:54:32	engys	hi everyone, did someone else god problems with Aquantia 10Gb network devices lately?
2022-06-18 12:00:41	engys	*got xP
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2022-06-18 12:35:42	pro	did moc stop supporting m4a and mkv, or am I missing some codecs ?
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2022-06-18 12:37:58	teraflops	check optional deps
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2022-06-18 12:42:51	pro	I did install all of them... still no joy
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2022-06-18 12:43:59	teraflops	pro: those are containers so use something like mediainfo to see what's the codec I guess
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2022-06-18 12:45:18	teraflops	also why using a music player to play mkv which contains video?
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2022-06-18 12:48:23	pro	because I like ncurses interface of moc
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2022-06-18 12:48:37	pro	also everything works after I installed every package on https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Codecs_and_containers :)
2022-06-18 12:48:38	phrik	Title: Codecs and containers - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-06-18 13:24:42	lawliet	I was wondering, since Arch Linux gets daily updates, does it make it less secure compared to Debian? 
2022-06-18 13:25:22	Vorpal	huh?
2022-06-18 13:25:49	Vorpal	lawliet: how do you reason to come to that conclusion?
2022-06-18 13:26:52	lawliet	Vorpal: Well, I thought daily updates could lead to making new security vuln 
2022-06-18 13:27:14	Vorpal	also leads to more fixed bugs.
2022-06-18 13:27:27	lawliet	I agree with that too 
2022-06-18 13:28:04	lawliet	But what would be the best overall choice for security?
2022-06-18 13:28:07	Vorpal	Likely it all evens out in the end.
2022-06-18 13:28:11	lawliet	Hmm
2022-06-18 13:28:37	Vorpal	for a more traditional release based distro you need a dedicated team to deal with backporting security fixes as well
2022-06-18 13:28:50	Vorpal	some of the large distros certainly have the resources to deal with this, but many do not
2022-06-18 13:29:51	lawliet	Well, I just prefer the vanilla versions
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2022-06-18 13:29:56	Vorpal	and for less popular packages, if the upstream does not maintain a stable branch and perform the backports (common for smaller projects that don't have the resources)...
2022-06-18 13:30:22	Vorpal	well arch is good then, very minimal patching performed.
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2022-06-18 13:38:57	lawliet	I think so too. I've liked Arch for a long time, but I keep seeing that people use Debian based distros for security and anonymity. So it got me thinking
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2022-06-18 13:38:57	lawliet	Whonix recommends that I use Debian as a host distro if I want to run it in a VM 
2022-06-18 13:38:57	Vorpal	I don't know what whonix is
2022-06-18 13:38:57	lawliet	It's like tails OS 
2022-06-18 13:38:57	Vorpal	right, okay. That is out of my expertise.
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2022-06-18 13:38:57	Warepire	Usually people are not interesting enough to warrant any extreme measures, the basics will do (staying up to date, having a basic firewall, etc)
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2022-06-18 13:38:57	Warepire	If you are interesting enough to need additional measures, you'd probably know it.
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2022-06-18 13:38:57	lawliet	True that. I don't even have any interesting porn on my pc to worry about it 
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2022-06-18 14:13:26	Vorpal	caveman: feedly. Not great but it syncs with android seamlessly, which is where I read RSS most of the time anyway
2022-06-18 14:13:39	agumonkey	Vorpal: thanks a lot
2022-06-18 14:14:14	Vorpal	agumonkey: you will need to install pipewire-pulse for the pulse-replacing part etc
2022-06-18 14:14:30	caveman	Vorpal: i mean, which rss reader app?
2022-06-18 14:14:47	Vorpal	caveman: feedly is the app, on desktop I read via the browser
2022-06-18 14:15:05	caveman	so in desktop you login to feedly.com and keep the tab open?
2022-06-18 14:15:43	Vorpal	I read it on my phone or tablet once a day (use it to follow web comics mostly). On desktop I only rarely log in and use it.
2022-06-18 14:16:01	Vorpal	why would I need to keep it open all the time?
2022-06-18 14:16:11	caveman	dunno.  to read it i guess.
2022-06-18 14:16:23	Vorpal	but I don't need to read it all the time?
2022-06-18 14:16:36	caveman	i had newsboat, and i had its feed urls list backed up in git and synced to my other pcs.
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2022-06-18 16:11:07	Rayyan	my usb mouse stops working after a while and i have to plug it out and back in to get it working again
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2022-06-18 16:11:21	Rayyan	anyone know what could be the problem / how to diagnose it?
2022-06-18 16:11:25	CandyManJ	I have installed Gnome but I am getting blue screen with lots of flickering when I login
2022-06-18 16:11:28	Rayyan	(i'm using arch + gnome)
2022-06-18 16:11:30	CandyManJ	all icons are missing too
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2022-06-18 16:12:14	CandyManJ	i am using amdgpu
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2022-06-18 16:14:13	jnbrains	Rayyan: hi. do you have any powersaving utils running?
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2022-06-18 16:18:04	Rayyan	jnbrains: not that i know of
2022-06-18 16:18:12	jnbrains	Rayyan: it just sounds like auto suspend, usually powersaving mode
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2022-06-18 16:18:26	Rayyan	jnbrains: i see
2022-06-18 16:18:32	Rayyan	jnbrains: like this? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management#USB_autosuspend
2022-06-18 16:18:34	phrik	Title: Power management - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-06-18 16:18:47	hmw[at]	# pacman -Rs $(pacman -Qtdq) -   results in   "error: target not found:" printed 2 times. Freshly updated. What else can I check?
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2022-06-18 16:19:04	jnbrains	Rayyan: you can check - get mouse device bus/device id - lsusb
2022-06-18 16:19:34	jnbrains	Rayyan: and then cat /sys/bus/usb/devices/<bus>-<device>/power/control
2022-06-18 16:19:39	jnbrains	Rayyan: example cat /sys/bus/usb/devices/8-2/power/control
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2022-06-18 16:20:02	mongy	hmw[at]: omit the -
2022-06-18 16:20:08	Namarrgon	hmw[at]: is that last dash part of the command?
2022-06-18 16:20:09	hmw[at]	:)
2022-06-18 16:20:11	hmw[at]	no
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2022-06-18 16:20:20	Namarrgon	what does -Qtdq return?
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2022-06-18 16:20:39	hmw[at]	I just found a hint at AUR packages. Hmm.
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2022-06-18 16:21:36	hmw[at]	Actually, I am trying to fix node, but that's another story :)
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2022-06-18 16:22:15	Scimmia	AUR packages would be an issue for -S, not for -R
2022-06-18 16:23:27	Rayyan	jnbrains: it's "on"
2022-06-18 16:23:30	hmw[at]	pacman -Qdtq gives me a list with 2 empty lines at the end. I tried to filter them with awk NF to no avail
2022-06-18 16:23:50	Namarrgon	empty lines?
2022-06-18 16:24:12	jnbrains	Rayyan: you can also check powertop (tab: tunnables)
2022-06-18 16:24:19	Namarrgon	did you alias 'pacman' or wrap it in a script?
2022-06-18 16:24:35	hmw[at]	http://paste.debian.net/1244470/
2022-06-18 16:24:39	phrik	Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)
2022-06-18 16:24:47	hmw[at]	oh. I might have. Thanks for the alias hint, will test that
2022-06-18 16:24:49	jnbrains	Rayyan: in powertop you can change settings as well
2022-06-18 16:25:46	hmw[at]	Namarrgon: Thanks, solved.
2022-06-18 16:25:52	hmw[at]	Next crisis.
2022-06-18 17:01:39	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-18 17:06:29	nyasaki	I need help with pam auth against ad
2022-06-18 17:06:31	nyasaki	smb.conf https://paste.rs/CJe
2022-06-18 17:06:31	nyasaki	nsswitch.conf https://paste.rs/LYd
2022-06-18 17:06:31	nyasaki	pam_winbind.conf https://paste.rs/yzX
2022-06-18 17:06:31	nyasaki	krb5.conf https://paste.rs/8Ko (edited)
2022-06-18 17:06:31	nyasaki	[4:31 PM]
2022-06-18 17:07:14	nyasaki	with pamtester i get the error "Error in service module"
2022-06-18 17:08:14	nyasaki	zuth with kinit worked and i get a ticket for my user after a while, but when trying to login via ly i pam aborts
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2022-06-18 17:19:14	teraflops	tried with other DM, openssh, login from a new tty? checked if id command pulls from AD?
2022-06-18 17:19:28	teraflops	idk if ly is the right DM to use or it does not matter
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2022-06-18 17:21:45	nyasaki	I did try to loging from tty too yes, without much success
2022-06-18 17:21:48	ℹ 	[meow]tali64 es conocido ahora como meowtali64
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2022-06-18 17:22:07	ℹ 	meowtali64 es conocido ahora como [[[meow]]]tali64
2022-06-18 17:22:12	nyasaki	How would I check that
2022-06-18 17:22:33	teraflops	hm, I do sssd not winbind
2022-06-18 17:22:40	ℹ 	[[[meow]]]tali64 es conocido ahora como [[meow]]tali64
2022-06-18 17:23:29	teraflops	supossedly id username should chow AD groups
2022-06-18 17:23:37	teraflops	show rather
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2022-06-18 17:25:16	teraflops	nyasaki: is the DC a windows machine or is it a linux one?
2022-06-18 17:25:28	nyasaki	Windows
2022-06-18 17:25:32	nyasaki	Server 22
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2022-06-18 17:26:42	nyasaki	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Active_Directory_integration#Configuring_PAM_authentication
2022-06-18 17:26:43	phrik	Title: Active Directory integration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-18 17:26:49	teraflops	las time I tried on arch machine I used gdm
2022-06-18 17:26:49	nyasaki	used this to set it up
2022-06-18 17:26:52	teraflops	last^
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2022-06-18 17:29:27	teraflops	I suppose the DNS server on the client machine is the domain controller and that you can reach it
2022-06-18 17:29:41	ℹ 	[[meow]]tali64 es conocido ahora como meowtali64
2022-06-18 17:30:58	Dreamer3	interesting i just found the different CPU speed scaling governers
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2022-06-18 17:32:49	nyasaki	teraflops: it uses the IP of my DC as DNS server
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2022-06-18 18:34:50	roniez_	when i try to use the archinstall script it errors out when i try to set the devices anybody have any idea on what i can do?
2022-06-18 18:35:01	roniez_	it throws an error on /dev/sdd1 
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2022-06-18 18:35:41	Namarrgon	"set the devices"?
2022-06-18 18:35:49	roniez_	disks*
2022-06-18 18:36:11	roniez_	or drives
2022-06-18 18:36:28	Namarrgon	you'll have to go into a bit more detail
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2022-06-18 18:37:20	roniez_	Well i do the setup using archinstall and when i go to select what disk it should use it errors out with a syscallerror blkid /dev/sdd1 exited with abnormal exi48 ambivalent result
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2022-06-18 18:38:00	roniez_	abnormal exit code 2048
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2022-06-18 18:39:57	Namarrgon	if in doubt then follow the regular Installation Guide
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2022-06-18 18:50:15	nyasaki	I still have no idea why i cant authenticate against ad lol
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2022-06-18 18:51:29	nyasaki	changed my smb.conf now since i werent sure if that may be the issue https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Active_Directory_integration#Adding_the_idmap_configuration_for_domains_without_RFC2307_extensions
2022-06-18 18:51:30	phrik	Title: Active Directory integration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-06-18 18:55:38	praevalens	I want to migrate a db from mysql server 8 to mariadb 10.8. I have tried to dump with no-data and no-create-info from mysql and replace collations to `utf8mb4_unicode_ci` in the structure file. Importing the structure file into mariadb works but when I try to import the data I get an error about duplicate primary key entry. Anyone done this
2022-06-18 18:55:39	praevalens	migration before and can help ?
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2022-06-18 18:57:11	teraflops	nyasaki: mind pasting your /etc/nsswitch.conf ?
2022-06-18 18:58:02	nyasaki	 https://paste.rs/nQv
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2022-06-18 19:03:47	teraflops	do you get any error when you join the machine to the domain? is the $machine account created in the domain?
2022-06-18 19:04:22	teraflops	machine accounts have a $ at the beginning 
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2022-06-18 19:06:32	nyasaki	https://paste.rs/Ru2
2022-06-18 19:11:07	teraflops	what is mymahines in nsswitch.conf? I'd give a go to the simpler nswwitch.conf that is way down in the wiki (the 'files winbind' one)
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2022-06-18 19:13:05	Namarrgon	praevalens: have you asked in any mysql or mariadb channels?
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2022-06-18 19:14:34	praevalens	I asked in the mysql channel but got no answer so far. The mariadb channel is a good pointer that I'll check our right now thank you
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2022-06-18 19:19:19	teraflops	Namarrgon:
2022-06-18 19:19:24	teraflops	oops they left
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2022-06-18 19:19:33	teraflops	again it looks like time sync and dns issues
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2022-06-18 19:20:51	demize	teraflops: It's for hostname resolution of containers registered with machined.
2022-06-18 19:21:06	teraflops	ah thanks
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2022-06-18 19:22:27	nyasaki	Did i miss something?
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2022-06-18 19:23:54	teraflops	nyasaki: the dns error is because you cannot resolve the domain FQDN, but I do not hitnk that's a fatal error, the gss one looks like it's related to not being in sync (time) with the domain controller
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2022-06-18 19:24:51	nyasaki	teraflops: it can resolve it for a ping tho
2022-06-18 19:24:52	ℹ 	funkymon1ey es conocido ahora como funkymonkey
2022-06-18 19:24:54	teraflops	I'd setup the domain controller as time server on the workstation
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2022-06-18 19:25:08	teraflops	nyasaki: as in ping mydomain.local?
2022-06-18 19:25:13	nyasaki	Yes
2022-06-18 19:25:17	teraflops	ok then
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2022-06-18 19:27:17	teraflops	is the workstation in computers in the domain? can you ping it by using ping myworkstation.local?
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2022-06-18 19:27:50	thebombzen	I have a headless system running an nginx instance and I have the nginx service enabled. for some reason it's not starting on boot and I'm not entirely sure why
2022-06-18 19:27:53	nyasaki	Yeah i can ping dc.nyasaki.local
2022-06-18 19:28:11	teraflops	i mean the workstation you are joining to the domain, not the dc
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2022-06-18 19:28:32	thebombzen	if I run: systemctl enable nginx.service; systemctl reboot and then I ssh into the box, nginx isn't running
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2022-06-18 19:29:03	teraflops	when you join a windows machine to a domain it creates a dns entry and a machine account
2022-06-18 19:29:08	nyasaki	teraflops: I can ping my arch system from the dc yes
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2022-06-18 19:29:36	nyasaki	It doesnt has a DNS entry tho
2022-06-18 19:29:43	teraflops	when you join a linux machine the machine account is created but i caanot remember if the dns record is created as well
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2022-06-18 19:30:00	teraflops	that's the dns issue I guess 
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2022-06-18 19:30:47	teraflops	time sync is very important
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2022-06-18 19:31:17	nyasaki	They are in sync, both show the same time
2022-06-18 19:31:21	teraflops	ok
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2022-06-18 19:34:47	teraflops	nyasaki: I missed backlog, what's your krb5.conf?
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2022-06-18 19:37:43	nyasaki	https://paste.rs/Io4
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2022-06-18 19:38:34	nyasaki	changed /etc/hosts now
2022-06-18 19:38:49	nyasaki	DNS Update for arch.nyasaki.local failed: ERROR_DNS_GSS_ERROR
2022-06-18 19:38:49	nyasaki	DNS update failed: NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL
2022-06-18 19:38:56	nyasaki	this is the new error now
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2022-06-18 19:40:06	teraflops	nyasaki: i think that under [domain_realm] you have to add a new entry same as the one that is already there but w/o the dot at the beginning
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2022-06-18 19:41:40	teraflops	I find the sssd method way easier
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2022-06-18 19:43:09	nyasaki	https://paste.rs/GsQ
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2022-06-18 19:46:02	teraflops	what's your smb.conf?
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2022-06-18 19:46:37	teraflops	sorry if you pasted it earlier I do not have backlog
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2022-06-18 19:46:53	nyasaki	https://paste.rs/Lkd
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2022-06-18 19:54:43	nyasaki	these dc's are so annoying
2022-06-18 19:55:03	hickensa	is this a support channel?
2022-06-18 19:55:31	Namarrgon	yes, this is the general support channel for arch linux
2022-06-18 19:55:48	another|	!welcome
2022-06-18 19:55:48	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-06-18 19:55:54	nyasaki	xD
2022-06-18 19:55:58	hickensa	so uhh  whenever I try to install any package ldconfig: File /usr/lib/libwebkit2gtk-4.0.so is empty, not checked.
2022-06-18 19:55:59	hickensa	this happens
2022-06-18 19:56:10	Namarrgon	reinstall the package that owns that file
2022-06-18 19:56:18	hickensa	every package ever?
2022-06-18 19:56:33	Namarrgon	start with the ones that have empty files but shouldn't be empty
2022-06-18 19:56:36	teraflops	nyasaki:  all I can find related to the PA-FX-FAST-REPLY is to set forwardable = true in krb5.conf in libdefaults
2022-06-18 19:56:50	hickensa	every package has an empty file i think
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2022-06-18 19:57:27	Namarrgon	i doubt that that's the case
2022-06-18 19:57:40	hickensa	[hickensa@archlinux Downloads]$ sudo pacman -Syu
2022-06-18 19:57:40	hickensa	[sudo] password for hickensa:
2022-06-18 19:57:41	hickensa	:: Synchronizing package databases...
2022-06-18 19:57:41	hickensa	error: failed to synchronize all databases (unable to lock database)
2022-06-18 19:57:42	hickensa	also this
2022-06-18 19:58:03	teraflops	^^
2022-06-18 19:58:11	Namarrgon	did you kill pacman in the middle of an operation
2022-06-18 19:58:13	◣	carlasouza (~carla@facebook/engineering/carla) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2022-06-18 19:58:24	hickensa	and also error: failed to init transaction (unable to lock database)
2022-06-18 19:58:25	hickensa	error: could not lock database: File exists
2022-06-18 19:58:25	hickensa	  if you're sure a package manager is not already
2022-06-18 19:58:26	hickensa	  running, you can remove /var/lib/pacman/db.lck
2022-06-18 19:58:39	hickensa	Namarrgon my power cut out while editing the pacman configuration file
2022-06-18 19:58:45	hickensa	then that happened
2022-06-18 19:58:48	◣	ninjabuffet (~ninjabuff@user/ninjabuffet) ha salido (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2022-06-18 19:58:49	nyasaki	https://paste.rs/kaN
2022-06-18 19:58:54	hickensa	I dont think that has anything to do
2022-06-18 19:59:04	hickensa	I think its cause I did
2022-06-18 19:59:05	hickensa	rm /var/lib/pacman/db.lck
2022-06-18 19:59:06	Namarrgon	that doesn't matter unless pacman was running when the power went out
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2022-06-18 19:59:14	teraflops	did you restart samba and windbind?
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2022-06-18 19:59:38	hickensa	now hear me out it told me to remove /var/lib/pacman/db.lck so I did rm /var/lib/pacman/db.lck
2022-06-18 19:59:59	Namarrgon	did you verify that pacman wasn't running?
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2022-06-18 20:00:30	hickensa	I mean it was after a reboot and before that reboot I was trying to get steam to install so I dont think so
2022-06-18 20:00:41	nyasaki	exit_daemon: daemon failed to start: Samba detected misconfigured 'server role' and exited. Check logs for details, error code 22
2022-06-18 20:01:48	hickensa	I Just want to use pacman :(
2022-06-18 20:02:05	teraflops	nyasaki: you cannot set server role standalone and security ads at the same time
2022-06-18 20:02:31	Namarrgon	hickensa: do you still get the lock error now?
2022-06-18 20:02:43	hickensa	let me try
2022-06-18 20:02:48	teraflops	so check samba and wibind anr running before joining to the domain
2022-06-18 20:02:54	nyasaki	where am i doing that
2022-06-18 20:02:55	hickensa	[hickensa@archlinux Downloads]$ sudo pacman -S plasma-meta
2022-06-18 20:02:55	hickensa	error: failed to init transaction (unable to lock database)
2022-06-18 20:02:55	teraflops	are^
2022-06-18 20:02:55	hickensa	error: could not lock database: File exists
2022-06-18 20:02:56	hickensa	  if you're sure a package manager is not already
2022-06-18 20:02:57	hickensa	  running, you can remove /var/lib/pacman/db.lck
2022-06-18 20:03:05	teraflops	hickensa: use a paste service please
2022-06-18 20:03:12	hickensa	I CANT DOWNLOAD ONE
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2022-06-18 20:03:20	hickensa	i cant download one
2022-06-18 20:03:22	hickensa	im sorry
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2022-06-18 20:03:27	teraflops	ouch
2022-06-18 20:03:44	teraflops	nyasaki: smb.conf
2022-06-18 20:03:52	nyasaki	Saw nothing there
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2022-06-18 20:04:09	teraflops	do you have a server loe entry there?
2022-06-18 20:04:15	teraflops	server role^
2022-06-18 20:04:17	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [-b $a:hickensa] por Namarrgon
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2022-06-18 20:04:27	nyasaki	nope
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2022-06-18 20:04:57	hickensa	now
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2022-06-18 20:05:06	hickensa	im sorry  I cant get wgetpaste
2022-06-18 20:05:14	@Namarrgon	you don't need wgetpaste
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2022-06-18 20:05:22	@Namarrgon	"pgrep -a pacman"
2022-06-18 20:06:15	hickensa	what does that do
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2022-06-18 20:06:52	@Namarrgon	you know 'grep'? 
2022-06-18 20:06:59	hickensa	yeah\
2022-06-18 20:07:07	@Namarrgon	this is "process grep"
2022-06-18 20:07:18	hickensa	oh that displayed nothing
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2022-06-18 20:07:21	nyasaki	Jun 18 20:05:44 arch winbindd[9024]:   wb_parent_idmap_setup_lookupname_done: Lookup domain name 'internal' failed 'NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE'
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2022-06-18 20:07:26	teraflops	Namarrgon: what if you append the ad machine to the net ads join command? ... -S mydc..mydomain.com 
2022-06-18 20:07:33	teraflops	oops sorry Namarrgon 
2022-06-18 20:07:50	nyasaki	samba is telling me i should start winbind instad for members
2022-06-18 20:07:53	Namarrgon	hickensa: then pacman itself isn't running and you can remove the lockfile
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2022-06-18 20:08:08	Namarrgon	unless you're running a different libalpm frontend
2022-06-18 20:08:54	hickensa	ldconfig: File /usr/lib/libmanette-0.2.so.0 is empty, not checked.
2022-06-18 20:08:54	hickensa	again
2022-06-18 20:08:56	Namarrgon	e.g. something packagekit based like kde's discover or gnome's thingy
2022-06-18 20:09:04	Namarrgon	did you reinstall the package that owns that file?
2022-06-18 20:09:25	hickensa	a no thats on like anything
2022-06-18 20:09:43	Namarrgon	reinstall the packages that own these files
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2022-06-18 20:10:10	hickensa	ldconfig: File /usr/lib/ld-linux.so.2 is empty, not checked.
2022-06-18 20:10:20	hickensa	I dont think im reinstalling the linux package to be honest
2022-06-18 20:10:29	Namarrgon	this isn't part of the linux package
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2022-06-18 20:10:51	hickensa	oh I seem to notice a pattern
2022-06-18 20:10:52	Namarrgon	you don't need to report about every empty file, just reinstall the packages
2022-06-18 20:11:03	hickensa	same files everytime
2022-06-18 20:11:09	hickensa	I thought it was different
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2022-06-18 20:11:53	Namarrgon	pacman will run ldconfig every time, and it will keep complaining until you fix this
2022-06-18 20:12:23	hickensa	I now do need to figure out from where this is
2022-06-18 20:12:34	hickensa	seems like nvidia something
2022-06-18 20:12:51	Namarrgon	pacman -Qo /path/to/file
2022-06-18 20:13:19	hickensa	error: No package owns /usr/lib/libnvidia-opticalflow.so
2022-06-18 20:13:21	hickensa	a yes
2022-06-18 20:13:45	Namarrgon	!pacman-file
2022-06-18 20:13:46	phrik	Find out what package owns a file, even if the package isn't installed. pacman -Fy <file> (similar to !pkgfile)
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2022-06-18 20:15:20	hickensa	phrik do I do that for all of them
2022-06-18 20:15:20	phrik	hickensa: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
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2022-06-18 20:15:31	Namarrgon	only for the ones with empty files
2022-06-18 20:15:56	hickensa	this is gonna take forever (y)
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2022-06-18 20:18:02	hickensa	I think I am gonna reinstall rather than fix this broken install
2022-06-18 20:18:16	teraflops	or just reinstall all installed packages
2022-06-18 20:18:35	hickensa	I would rather reinstall
2022-06-18 20:18:37	Namarrgon	reinstalling the packages will be much faster than a complete arch reinstall
2022-06-18 20:18:47	Namarrgon	and it owuld be a good exercise
2022-06-18 20:18:55	hickensa	well it doesnt take me longer than 10 minutes its a new install too
2022-06-18 20:19:18	hickensa	its 3 hours old and only been used for 1 hour of its life time so I wont miss it
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2022-06-18 20:49:25	nyasaki	Is it even possible to join linux machines into a ad domain
2022-06-18 20:57:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-18 21:20:39	jkc	nyuszika7h: Yes.
2022-06-18 21:20:50	jkc	nyuszika7h: Oops. Misfire.
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2022-06-18 22:06:33	jenia2	Hello. I can't understand how permissions work in Archlinux. I installed Gerbera and I want to add movies to its repository so I added this symlink in it's /home/gerbera folder: lrwxrwxrwx 1 gerbera gerbera         24 Jun 18 10:57  videos -> '/run/media/jenia/My Book'
2022-06-18 22:07:09	jenia2	but when I look in Gerbera systemctl status I see:    Jun 18 11:17:43 jenia gerbera[1100099]: 2022-06-18 11:17:43 warning: File or directory does not exist: /home/gerbera/videos (Permission denied)
2022-06-18 22:07:17	jenia2	I don't get it. Why is permission denied?
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2022-06-18 22:08:47	Warepire	Permissions in Archlinux are not different to any other linux distribution.
2022-06-18 22:09:02	jenia2	but why is the symlink not working?
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2022-06-18 22:09:09	jenia2	like, why is permissions defnied?
2022-06-18 22:09:12	another|	doe the user have permission in the target dir?
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2022-06-18 22:09:19	jenia2	no
2022-06-18 22:09:25	jenia2	it's owned by jenia
2022-06-18 22:09:37	Warepire	Here's a pretty comprehensive guide to permissions: https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/classic-sysadmin-understanding-linux-file-permissions/
2022-06-18 22:09:47	jenia2	if I do ls -l in the target dir, all files are under my name
2022-06-18 22:10:02	Warepire	(which is a good read in any case)
2022-06-18 22:10:17	jenia2	so what do I do in this case? I need to add gerbera to my group or something?
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2022-06-18 22:11:18	jenia2	the group is wheel in that folder. I think I'll create a group called UPNP and add gerbera to that group and chage the ownership of those files
2022-06-18 22:11:23	jenia2	sounds like a plan/
2022-06-18 22:11:24	jenia2	?
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2022-06-18 22:14:34	Hello71	on any os, not just linux, dereferencing a symlink requires permissions to access the target
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2022-06-18 22:15:49	Hello71	your described solution is is a vaguely plausible one, assuming the "My Book" supports unix permissions
2022-06-18 22:16:46	jenia2	[jenia@jenia jenia]$ chgrp upnp My\ Book/
2022-06-18 22:16:54	jenia2	chgrp: changing group of 'My Book/': Operation not permitted
2022-06-18 22:17:04	jenia2	I think it's because it's a windows file system
2022-06-18 22:17:07	jenia2	?
2022-06-18 22:18:00	Warepire	That would be it. Windows file systems have no notion of Linux permissions, users or groups. You need to configure that at mount-time.
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2022-06-18 22:26:03	jenia2	Warepire: ok thanks. Is there a better way to do this?
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2022-06-18 22:29:25	jenia2	maybe instead of messing with fstab, I can run gerbera as myself?
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2022-06-18 22:30:37	jenia2	I found it. I can just change the gerbera.service file to run it as myself
2022-06-18 22:30:40	jenia2	is that a good idea?
2022-06-18 22:30:41	jenia2	:)
2022-06-18 22:30:49	jenia2	(better measure twice and cut once)
2022-06-18 22:35:05	coruja	two remarks, it's a good idea to read some gerbera docs first, and i wonder why there is a gerbera dir in /home, which is quite unusual imo
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2022-06-18 22:38:04	jenia2	coruja: really? Where should its folder be? /var or something like that?
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2022-06-19 11:05:18	mohnish	shadowless:  here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Optical_disc_drive#Burning_an_ISO_image_to_CD,_DVD,_or_BD
2022-06-19 11:05:19	phrik	Title: Optical disc drive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-19 11:13:23	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-19 11:18:55	neko2	well, this is bizarre. apparently creating alias symlinks to LVM vg dirs in /dev (e.g. /dev/alias/disk/vg/local -> /dev/vg00 where /dev/alias/ was something I created and /dev/vg00 is the usual lvm created directory... yes, the indirection was needed, take that as necessary) confuses systemd when starting mount units that refer to things under the /dev/alias/ paths - it complains about device
2022-06-19 11:18:55	neko2	units 
2022-06-19 11:19:01	neko2	timing out. but mounting manually via the exact same fstab entry works fine. I suspect dodgy symlink resolution... even more confusingly it works for some LVs via the alias path but not others. I am not even sure what to ask for help with yet if anything, just half rambling. it appears to be a weird (and likely unsupported) corner case.
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2022-06-19 12:06:21	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1433 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1432 normals)
2022-06-19 12:06:06	zbychuk	Hi. For about a week now i run my update script almost every day. There are no updates. What is going on?
2022-06-19 12:06:28	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-06-19 12:06:32	mpan	zbychuk: probably your mirror is outdated.
2022-06-19 12:06:56	zbychuk	All mirrors in my country?
2022-06-19 12:07:28	mpan	Have you tried all mirrors in your country? Can you give an example of a single one?
2022-06-19 12:07:57	mpan	Also, since this is your script, are you sure you are not filtering out some errors? Check with pacman itself.
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2022-06-19 12:08:51	zbychuk	A couple of them in Poland. I just switched to Germany mirrors, and there is 1,5G packages to download. Thanks.
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2022-06-19 12:09:39	mpan	I really doubt all Polish mirrors are suddenly outdated.
2022-06-19 12:09:50	neko2	mpan: source, you use a polish one?
2022-06-19 12:10:10	mpan	neko2: no. I do not see a point in artificially forcing myself to using worse options.
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2022-06-19 12:10:58	zbychuk	Maybe, a couple i used are. My script just runs pacman for system repositories and yay for AUR.
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2022-06-19 12:11:22	mpan	Used or tested? pacman only uses one mirror, unless there is an error.
2022-06-19 12:11:22	ℹ 	meowtali64_bsd-e es conocido ahora como meowtali64_bsd
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2022-06-19 12:11:54	zbychuk	Used. Thanks, i got to go. Bye.
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2022-06-19 12:13:55	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1437 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1436 normals)
2022-06-19 12:06:06	zbychuk	Hi. For about a week now i run my update script almost every day. There are no updates. What is going on?
2022-06-19 12:06:29	mpan	zbychuk: probably your mirror is outdated.
2022-06-19 12:06:53	zbychuk	All mirrors in my country?
2022-06-19 12:07:24	mpan	Have you tried all mirrors in your country? Can you give an example of a single one?
2022-06-19 12:07:54	mpan	Also, since this is your script, are you sure you are not filtering out some errors? Check with pacman itself.
2022-06-19 12:08:47	zbychuk	A couple of them in Poland. I just switched to Germany mirrors, and there is 1,5G packages to download. Thanks.
2022-06-19 12:09:35	mpan	I really doubt all Polish mirrors are suddenly outdated.
2022-06-19 12:09:46	neko2	mpan: source, you use a polish one?
2022-06-19 12:10:06	mpan	neko2: no. I do not see a point in artificially forcing myself to using worse options.
2022-06-19 12:10:54	zbychuk	Maybe, a couple i used are. My script just runs pacman for system repositories and yay for AUR.
2022-06-19 12:11:18	mpan	Used or tested? pacman only uses one mirror, unless there is an error.
2022-06-19 12:11:50	zbychuk	Used. Thanks, i got to go. Bye.
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2022-06-19 13:00:04	Vorpal	mpan: hm I thought it downloaded the database files from just one mirror, but then would download packages from several if you turn on ParallelDownloads
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2022-06-19 13:07:56	mpan	Vorpal: no, parallel downloads just makes parallel downloads from that single mirror. The source must be consistent. AFAIK it only adds another server to curl’s multi interface if one has failed.
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2022-06-19 13:08:42	mpan	~10% uncertainity on that statement, so if someone knows better, correct me (and ping me please in such a case).
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2022-06-19 13:13:39	mpan	Nope, just checked with `--debug`. The rules are the same as for non-parallel downloads.
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2022-06-19 13:14:09	mpan	(nope on uncertainity; that is: the original statement is right, only one mirror is used)
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2022-06-19 13:22:33	Vorpal	mpan: hm, that is why I don't max out my download
2022-06-19 13:22:50	Vorpal	is there a way to download files from several mirrors at once?
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2022-06-19 13:24:57	mpan	Vorpal: technically? I think aria2 allowed that in the past, but dunno about the current status. In practice? The sources must be consistent or you will get a lot of 404 errors and no intended speed-up.
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2022-06-19 13:25:07	Vorpal	hm
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2022-06-19 13:25:57	Namarrgon	what would happen if you tried to download from two mirrors that are not in the same state?
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2022-06-19 13:27:11	Vorpal	why would being in the same country matter?
2022-06-19 13:27:54	Vorpal	or you mean state as in condition? I guess you would get 404 and fall back that download to the other mirror
2022-06-19 13:28:05	Namarrgon	don't be dense on purpose
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2022-06-19 13:28:25	Vorpal	wasn't on purpose, I was genuinely confused at first before I realised what you meant
2022-06-19 13:28:34	mpan	Namarrgon: I misread that as a political body too. :)
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2022-06-19 13:29:05	mpan	!check if mpan is a black hole
2022-06-19 13:29:06	Vorpal	all the files have checksums, so you can easily see if you get the right file
2022-06-19 13:29:06	phrik	Testing if mpan is a black hole: [PASS]
2022-06-19 13:29:16	Namarrgon	arch doesn't even have atomic repo updates, one mirror can have today's [core] and [extra] can be seven months old
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2022-06-19 13:29:30	Vorpal	Namarrgon: as long as download the database/index files from one repo, downloading the actual packages from several doesn't matter
2022-06-19 13:29:34	mpan	Vorpal: getting a ‘wrong’ file is not an option, as they are uniquely named. The problem is using desynced mirrors.
2022-06-19 13:29:53	Vorpal	and I use reflector with the --age switch, so presumably I should have reasonably up-to-date mirrors
2022-06-19 13:30:07	Vorpal	s/one repo/one mirror/
2022-06-19 13:30:13	Namarrgon	reflector cannot fix this
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2022-06-19 13:30:35	Vorpal	so -Sy: one mirror, -Su and -S packages: split multiple mirrors. And try another mirror on 404
2022-06-19 13:30:50	Vorpal	I don't see how that would be a problem
2022-06-19 13:31:57	Namarrgon	it does add nothing to mitigate the underlying problem, good luck submitting that upstream or at least selling them the idea
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2022-06-19 13:33:59	Vorpal	Namarrgon: right, it doesn't solve (and doesn't attempt to solve) the lack of atomic mirrors. But it does solve the issue of not maxing out my download speed
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2022-06-19 13:35:19	Khorne	Oh, no, the several hours worth of waiting
2022-06-19 13:36:07	Namarrgon	that's a lot of work for little gain
2022-06-19 13:36:13	Khorne	Have you even confirmed that it'
2022-06-19 13:36:28	Khorne	s the mirror not delivering enough bandwidth and not your disk being not fast enough
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2022-06-19 13:38:05	Vorpal	Khorne: I can download quicker from other places, so yes. I confirmed that with back to back downloads at times as well (download typically does vary with how many neighbours are using internet).
2022-06-19 13:38:20	Vorpal	so yes, I'm fairly certain
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2022-06-19 13:39:34	Khorne	Well I have no problem saturating a 1GBit link here
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2022-06-19 13:39:53	Khorne	So, unless you're throwing significantly higher bw at it..pick a better mirror
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2022-06-19 13:40:12	Vorpal	hm, maybe something is wrong with reflector then
2022-06-19 13:40:19	mpan	Are you by any chance artificially limiting reflector to your own country, instead of letting it follow the data? Vorpal?
2022-06-19 13:40:47	mpan	Or making the age restriction so strict that it only sees 5 mirrors around the globe?
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2022-06-19 13:40:59	Vorpal	mpan: I do limit it to scandinavian countries yes: reflector --ipv4 --sort rate -f 30 --age 5 -c Sweden,Finland,Norway,Denmark is what I used
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2022-06-19 13:41:17	mpan	Then remove that limitation and try again.
2022-06-19 13:41:18	Vorpal	I get far more than 5 mirrors out of that though
2022-06-19 13:41:52	mpan	While before ParallelDownloads that limitation had at least some foundation — limiting latency — parallel downloads make it much less relevant.
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2022-06-19 13:42:15	gr33n7007h	can a brother get a little help with a fw not installing after a reboot? 
2022-06-19 13:42:29	mpan	I mean: I was always negative about it, but without parallel downloads I could at least see why people may care.
2022-06-19 13:42:33	Vorpal	mpan: worth a try I guess
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2022-06-19 13:42:57	Namarrgon	gr33n7007h: "fw"?
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2022-06-19 13:43:07	gr33n7007h	Namarrgon: firmware
2022-06-19 13:43:09	mpan	There are also those Cloudflare mirrors, what were they called. I think they should be fast enough.
2022-06-19 13:44:43	Rayyan	it seems my previous mouse issue is not related to usb autosuspend
2022-06-19 13:44:56	Namarrgon	gr33n7007h: so, what's the problem?
2022-06-19 13:44:58	Rayyan	(the issue was that the mouse would freeze after a while and i have to unplug and replug)
2022-06-19 13:45:08	◣	Sadale (~Sadale@user/sadale) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2022-06-19 13:45:21	Rayyan	it's seems to be a gnome thing (when i do alt+f2 and r to restart gnome shell it fixes itself)
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2022-06-19 13:46:19	gr33n7007h	Namarrgon: there is a new firmware available for the intel management engine and when i try to install the lastest it fails.
2022-06-19 13:46:42	gr33n7007h	Namarrgon: any pastes you need me to provide you with?
2022-06-19 13:46:55	Namarrgon	how are you trying to install it?
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2022-06-19 13:47:34	Namarrgon	Rayyan: is there anything in the journal when the mouse freezes?
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2022-06-19 17:46:10	PhrozenByte	Hi everyone, I'm looking for a command to get the full list of packages which would be installed by `pacman -S <package>` (i.e. including all not yet installed dependencies). my first idea is to grep `echo n | pacman -S <package>`, but the output surely isn't meant to be read by a script
2022-06-19 17:46:33	Namarrgon	why do you need that list?
2022-06-19 17:48:40	PhrozenByte	Namarrgon: to compare it with another list outside the realm of arch
2022-06-19 17:55:03	post-factum	PhrozenByte: what about `pactree`? it'd show all the deps, direct and indirect
2022-06-19 17:55:33	post-factum	although i think you are doing something that is not meant to make much sense
2022-06-19 17:57:33	PhrozenByte	post-factum: isn't pactree limited to locally installed packages?
2022-06-19 17:59:05	post-factum	maybe ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-06-19 17:59:28	post-factum	but there's `-s` switch
2022-06-19 17:59:56	post-factum	and some other switches like `-u` too
2022-06-19 18:07:19	PhrozenByte	post-factum: for some reason I had this limitation in mind... anyway, thanks.
2022-06-19 18:07:19	PhrozenByte	got the solution: comm -23 <(pactree -su $PACKAGE | sort) <(expac '%n' | sort) | xargs expac -S '%n %v'
2022-06-19 18:36:01	utkarshsingh	Hi! Can someone verify that they can use keybinding 'Ctrl+;' in GNOME 42.2?  I want to use it inside Emacs, but it seems like GNOME is blocking it.
2022-06-19 18:37:39	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-19 18:42:43	ℹ 	meowtali64 es conocido ahora como meowtali64_BSD
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2022-06-19 18:56:22	post-factum	people still using gnome?..
2022-06-19 18:56:50	teraflops	yes
2022-06-19 18:56:59	meowtali64_BSD	yes
2022-06-19 18:57:19	Edu4rdSHL	s/gnome/emacs/
2022-06-19 18:58:00	meowtali64_BSD	no
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2022-06-19 19:00:28	Edu4rdSHL	Imagine using Emacs in 2022 for editing text files when you have Visual Studio Code
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2022-06-19 19:02:07	Foxboron	I'm not sure if that is sarcastic or a poor attempt at bait
2022-06-19 19:02:22	gpkumar	probably the latter
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2022-06-19 19:03:29	Edu4rdSHL	Why not both
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2022-06-19 19:07:26	bud	maybe it was part of the deal. Gnome recently accepted a huge bribe from microsoft recently..
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2022-06-19 19:08:07	bud	or it wasn't that huge, but it was a thing and it was accepted.
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2022-06-20 14:25:27	anticarnist	quick question, when selecting multiple items with fzf, can I get it to output them comma separated, instead of each item on a new line? I know I can use tr to replace '\n' with ',', but no need for that if I can get it straight from fzf.
2022-06-20 14:34:19	lmat	Every time I open a new document in evince, it opens full screen. How do I get it to stop doing that?
2022-06-20 14:40:05	mystiquewolf	Foxboron @Foxboron:libera.chat: So what I did this time is I built the grub image with the normal module in addition to the tpm one and the output file doubled it's size, which was good indicator that it did include it into the image. Then did the usual signing with keys and rebooted. This time I didn't get the "prohibited by secure boot policy error" immediately and the boot menu with the boot
2022-06-20 14:40:05	mystiquewolf	options has drawn itself on the monitor.
2022-06-20 14:40:05	mystiquewolf	I was happy at that moment. Then I selected good'ol Arch Linux, and bam, the same error in front of my eyes. Now I'm not sad again. 
2022-06-20 14:41:22	mystiquewolf	So then I took a photo of the grub.cfg file content from the grub command line, noted down all of the insmod commands inside it
2022-06-20 14:42:34	mystiquewolf	Booted again into jso, chrooted into Arch and built the grub image yet again, this time with normal module, tpm module and all of the modules from grub.cfg that I noted wrote, installed grub 
2022-06-20 14:44:31	Furai	Hey, I'm having an issue with docker builds. When a container is running it resolves my host's machine /etc/hosts file entries without issues, but when I do build it can't see them. I'm using resolved for DNS, is there anything I'm missing?
2022-06-20 14:45:39	mystiquewolf	But grub had the same size as before that, so I guess that either besides the normal module, including tpm module also included all of the other modules that were insmod'ed in grub.cfg, or alternatively grub-Install did not include them into the image at all. I don't know which modules the tpm modules includes on addition to itself, that will give answer to what happened there. 
2022-06-20 14:47:16	mystiquewolf	The sad thing is that IF grub-Install did in fact include them into the image, then in that case it seems like it doesn't matter what modules are part of the image, grub would always try to insmod the modules from grub.cfg
2022-06-20 14:49:26	mystiquewolf	In fact I did try removing all of the insmod commands from grub.cfg, and even then I get multiple prohibited by secure boot policy error lines, so I guess it still tried tokad some modules??? Why it does that - I don't know 
2022-06-20 14:50:41	mystiquewolf	FWIW even the halt command in the grub command line gives that error... Seems like whatever that secure boot policy is, it is very strong and unusable? Do you have any ideas? 
2022-06-20 14:52:22	Foxboron	Well, yes. Secure Boot disabled a lot of grub functionality because of the three boothole disclosures
2022-06-20 14:57:07	mystiquewolf	At this point I'm about to start to give up and think about grub alternatives, maybe efi stub with initram bundled... Whatever. Fact is probably I'm not the only one who uses grub with shim and I wonder how many other people have this error. Till now I think only one other person officially has declared that it has jt in the big 
2022-06-20 14:58:07	mystiquewolf	On the bug, that is what I meant 
2022-06-20 15:02:55	tpowa	mystiquewolf, own shim or what shim?
2022-06-20 15:03:26	mystiquewolf	shim-signed from AUR
2022-06-20 15:03:33	tpowa	ok that works
2022-06-20 15:03:46	tpowa	that's the fedora shim I ugess
2022-06-20 15:04:15	mystiquewolf	Yes, but it doesn't work, at least in my machine and on the machine of one other person 
2022-06-20 15:04:27	tpowa	On my machines it works
2022-06-20 15:05:28	mystiquewolf	So you have Secure boot enabled In UEFI, shim-signed 15.6 and the latest grub installed? 
2022-06-20 15:05:40	mystiquewolf	Not only as package but in /boot/efi I mean? 
2022-06-20 15:05:40	tpowa	https://bit.ly/archboot download iso and install grub with setup script
2022-06-20 15:05:42	phrik	Title: Archboot Homepage · Wiki · Tobias Powalowski / Archboot · GitLab (at bit.ly)
2022-06-20 15:07:17	tpowa	Look at the secure boot part on the homepage
2022-06-20 15:09:05	tpowa	the important part is you need to create a standalone grub with correct options and config, and sign it afterwards with the MOK key. The script will do this for you
2022-06-20 15:10:09	mystiquewolf	I **think** I'm doing it correctly, but will look into this project 
2022-06-20 15:11:56	tpowa	mystiquewolf, if you did it would have worked :D
2022-06-20 15:14:53	mystiquewolf	I don't know, probably, but last time this issue happened I reinstalled the older 2.06-5 release of grub and it worked. And k install both versions the same way. So I think it might be some of the changes of the latest grub version to bream something. Moreover as far as I saw the last grub update is not an official release of grub, but Arch cherry picked some commits. Not really sure, I guess
2022-06-20 15:14:53	mystiquewolf	I'll try the jso from that project 
2022-06-20 15:19:52	plitter1	I'm trying to use v4l2loopback on sway wayland, and I've installed the dkms headers. But when I start it up I don't have any control over how. One issue is that I can't see the fake webcam in teams or slack. So I would like to start it with exclusive_caps, but I can't rmmod it because it is in use by something. And modprobe segfaults... what should I do next?
2022-06-20 16:21:12	demaio	mystiquewolf: I had the same problems with the latest grub and shim-signed. For now I ended up using grub-mkstandalone instead of grub-install and signing the standalone grub with my mok
2022-06-20 16:24:12	demaio	tpowa: thanks for the hint with standalone grub :)
2022-06-20 16:25:15	mystiquewolf	Just about going to do that too now... Have a feeling that mkstandalone is the correct way 
2022-06-20 17:07:48	tpowa	demaio, :)
2022-06-20 17:44:58	evsiz	hello, i have a problem, tried to fix it but faced with another. now i need help to fix it since i dont know where it comes. here is screenshot to view what i try to delete to fix problem https://www.justbeamit.com/mn23g it is turkish language and there is a (') that bugs rest of the code at that file. i delete it and comeback after relog again to make system use that file as config, after i
2022-06-20 17:44:58	evsiz	relog it comes back. so i just dont know how to kill that zombie .
2022-06-20 17:44:58	evsiz	inside .config folder. name is "kglobalshortcutsrc" which sets kwin wm shortcuts.
2022-06-20 17:44:58	phrik	Title: JustBeamIt - file transfer made easy (at www.justbeamit.com)
2022-06-20 17:45:24	evsiz	the file is inside .config folder. name is "kglobalshortcutsrc" which sets kwin wm shortcuts.
2022-06-20 17:50:29	evsiz	for a reason i dont know, previous link disabled so here is new one of screenshot   https://www.justbeamit.com/vusc6
2022-06-20 17:50:30	phrik	Title: JustBeamIt - file transfer made easy (at www.justbeamit.com)
2022-06-20 17:51:06	Namarrgon	evsiz: you can use imgur, it's less annoying to deal with
2022-06-20 17:52:13	evsiz	Namarrgon: thanks, i ll try it next time
2022-06-20 17:53:19	evsiz	link disabled again so now im going to use imgur :) https://imgur.com/a/eBIgntj
2022-06-20 17:53:20	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
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2022-06-20 18:22:51	evsiz	btw, my system is newly installed, just 3-4 hours ago i guess
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2022-06-20 18:40:27	cent	I use chromium + a pki card to login to a company's web site. After loading a new certificate to the PKI card I get: "ERR_BAD_SSL_CLIENT_AUTH_CERT"
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2022-06-20 18:41:11	cent	Te card works to sign to Win10. No problem.
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2022-06-20 18:42:12	cent	Authentication worked well BEFORE the certificate renewal/refresh/upload. Even in chromium.
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2022-06-20 18:42:27	cent	Chromium also prompts me for PIN.
2022-06-20 18:42:37	cent	Validates PIN.
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2022-06-20 18:43:17	cent	After that I get the earlier mentioned "ERR_BAD_SSL_CLIENT_AUTH_CERT" error
2022-06-20 18:43:23	teraflops	are you missing root or intermediate cert in linux? 
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2022-06-20 18:43:42	teraflops	missing or outdated
2022-06-20 18:44:05	cent	teraflops, maybe. Icould debug, but do not know how.
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2022-06-20 18:44:18	cent	Version 102.0.5005.115 (Official Build) Arch Linux (64-bit)
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2022-06-20 18:44:48	cerealcable	So I've been a consumer of arch for quite a while and I've never involved myself in seeking out fixing anything, but there's a cinnamon bug that's got me and the developers requested cinnamon-settings-daemon to be patched for the latest, how do I go about seeking out the maintainers and/or how would I know if it's already in the works so I'm not being distracting?
2022-06-20 18:45:06	teraflops	hmm no idea, I wonder if you launch the web browser from a terminal maybe you see error messages there
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2022-06-20 18:46:26	cent	I used: chromium --log-level=10 --enable-logging=stderr --v=1 2>~/chromium.log
2022-06-20 18:46:30	nshp	cerealcable: https://archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&q=cinnamon&maintainer=&flagged= has links to bug reports for each package, and a "flag out of date" button to let the package maintainer know when there's an update to pull in
2022-06-20 18:46:34	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2022-06-20 18:47:00	teraflops	cent: I see, mind to pastebin the log file?
2022-06-20 18:47:18	nshp	cerealcable: you'll see the cinnamon package has already been marked out of date today, if that's all you're looking for
2022-06-20 18:47:43	cent	teraflops, I do. Sorry. There are URLs I do not want to reveal - various reasons.
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2022-06-20 18:47:53	teraflops	oh, no worries
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2022-06-20 18:48:07	cerealcable	I suppose that is all that I'm looking for.
2022-06-20 18:48:27	cent	Anyways, I saw no sign of complain in there that would give me a hint (eg, invalid certificate etc.)
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2022-06-20 18:50:30	teraflops	cent: nothing in the journal either?
2022-06-20 18:50:40	cerealcable	nshp, so the cinnamon-settings-daemon is flagged as out of date, but no bugs were filed, should I bother with that or just assume that the maintainer should be able to figure this out? I've never been needing a fix in arch packages and there's no comments on those so hence all the questions I've got.
2022-06-20 18:51:15	nshp	cerealcable: if the only fix needed is to update to the latest upstream stable, that's all that's needed.
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2022-06-20 18:51:51	cerealcable	thanks for the help :D
2022-06-20 18:51:59	nshp	and considering those packages were last updated two days ago, I bet you don't have to wait long ;)
2022-06-20 18:52:01	⚡ 	cerealcable waits patiently
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2022-06-20 18:56:35	cent	teraflops, no. I'm finding a way to make chromium or the progress talk to "anyone" or to dump its "thought" somewhere along.
2022-06-20 18:57:04	cent	Let me check the pcsd setup
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2022-06-20 19:02:25	teraflops	oops
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2022-06-20 19:18:58	evsiz	i found where it gets that transtaled sentence and fixed it. that config file doesnt work ...
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2022-06-20 19:50:00	jirido	Hi, Trying to mount an android formated sdcard fails.. Do I need to install some extra support for that?
2022-06-20 19:50:31	Namarrgon	what does it contain?
2022-06-20 19:50:47	Namarrgon	uname -r && pacman -Q linux
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2022-06-20 19:52:18	jirido	Namarrgon: all kind of stuff, but i has been an Primary disk or internal or what it is called
2022-06-20 19:52:39	Namarrgon	i mean if it's just a raw filesystem, partitions or whatever
2022-06-20 19:52:51	jirido	linux 5.18.2.arch1-1
2022-06-20 19:53:09	jirido	no partitions
2022-06-20 19:53:19	Namarrgon	and the output of the first command?
2022-06-20 19:53:19	jirido	Atleast what I know of
2022-06-20 19:54:08	jirido	the same 5.18.2-arch1-1
2022-06-20 19:54:39	Namarrgon	what output in the kernel log did you get when you plugged it in?
2022-06-20 19:54:49	jirido	5.18.2-arch1-1
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2022-06-20 19:55:33	jirido	is it dmesg?
2022-06-20 19:55:45	Namarrgon	yes, that's one way to look at it
2022-06-20 19:56:31	Hello71	what does "fails" mean
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2022-06-20 19:56:47	Hello71	!doesntwork
2022-06-20 19:56:48	phrik	What do you mean it doesn't work? If there's an error, *tell us*. If it's more than two lines, see !paste.
2022-06-20 19:57:41	jirido	Namarrgon: suddenly it is possible!!
2022-06-20 19:58:13	jirido	before it did not mount
2022-06-20 19:58:21	jirido	now it does..
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2022-06-20 19:58:38	jirido	thanks for helping
2022-06-20 19:59:07	teraflops	I wonder which file system is this, when used as internal storage
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2022-06-20 20:06:30	jirido	teraflops: me to
2022-06-20 20:06:50	teraflops	lsblk -f
2022-06-20 20:07:06	jirido	It was the bigger casing for the small car that was broken I guess
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2022-06-20 20:32:25	Vorpal	teraflops: isn't it also encrypted when used as internal storage?
2022-06-20 20:32:52	Vorpal	I guess not if it suddenly worked
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2022-06-20 20:38:07	teraflops	iirc it gets encrypted when you set a pin/fingerprint/gesture to the block screen
2022-06-20 20:38:44	teraflops	been a long time since last I used an android device tho
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2022-06-21 16:12:15	MsGreen	hi, how to set fixed terminal size in gnome 3.36.2
2022-06-21 16:12:17	MsGreen	?
2022-06-21 16:47:57	MrElendig	we don't support gnome 3.36
2022-06-21 16:48:09	MrElendig	are you sure you are using archlinux?
2022-06-21 16:48:41	MrElendig	MsGreen: ^
2022-06-21 16:49:12	Namarrgon	it was some mint flavor
2022-06-21 16:49:54	MsGreen	Namarrgon, yea it was and already find the solution
2022-06-21 16:50:28	MsGreen	MrElendig, yea i though that arch users are good and experinced and just ask for advice , sorry
2022-06-21 16:50:40	Edu4rdSHL	The same guy from days ago...
2022-06-21 16:50:44	Edu4rdSHL	lmao
2022-06-21 16:50:44	MsGreen	i use manjaro (arch based) btw
2022-06-21 16:50:56	Edu4rdSHL	!give MsGreen notarch
2022-06-21 16:50:57	phrik	MsGreen: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2022-06-21 16:50:57	Namarrgon	we don't support that either, please think about this next time
2022-06-21 16:52:32	MsGreen	Edu4rdSHL 17:50:47
2022-06-21 16:52:32	MsGreen	The same guy from days ago... ? Are you confusing me for something else
2022-06-21 16:53:52	Edu4rdSHL	I'm pretty sure it's the same, he used exactly the same "i though that arch users are good and experinced and just ask for advice" phrase. But well, in any case please don't do that again. Good day.
2022-06-21 16:54:47	MsGreen	Sorry but i did not lauch IRC 2 weeks ago. Cant be the same person you are confusing me with someone else
2022-06-21 16:55:06	MsGreen	maybe because there is such fame for arch users
2022-06-21 17:05:43	brjl	Sure there is, but #archlinux is still about Arch only :þ If you wanted to ask about gnome or gnome-terminal, then there's always #gnome, isn't there?
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2022-06-21 17:10:00	susi	manjaro sure has its own outstanding support channels
2022-06-21 17:11:51	Repentinus	Manjaro support: Go ask in #archlinux while pretending you're using Arch
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2022-06-21 17:15:55	Vorpal	<idle musing>Why is it just manjaro that is an issue. There *are* other arch derivatives after all.</idle musing>
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2022-06-21 17:49:43	susi	any idea why AIGLX tries to open /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so on Xorg start, even though the correct name for the module is /usr/lib/dri/i965_drv_video.so
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2022-06-21 17:52:00	Scimmia	susi: pacman -F i965_dri.so
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2022-06-21 17:52:23	susi	hmm, aa
2022-06-21 17:52:25	Scimmia	completely different library
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2022-06-21 17:56:03	susi	hmm, should I use iHD or i965 on Intel HD 500...
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2022-06-21 17:56:38	susi	some months ago something happened that made me switch from iHD to i965 to keep vaapi working, but can't remember details
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2022-06-21 17:58:30	susi	hmm, seems I need to replace mesa with mesa-amber
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2022-06-21 17:58:50	ElTimo	Is there any way to roll KDE back to the LTS version?
2022-06-21 17:59:02	ElTimo	The new update basically broke half the animations for me.
2022-06-21 17:59:06	arojas	ElTimo: no
2022-06-21 17:59:09	Scimmia	if you want to use the old, non-Gallium drivers, yes susi
2022-06-21 17:59:22	ElTimo	arojas: Bah ok. I was afraid of that.
2022-06-21 17:59:36	susi	Scimmia: but I don't, if there's an alternative
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2022-06-21 18:00:04	turret	ElTimo: i mean you could probably use pacman -U with some older .tar.gz.pkg files but it isn't recommended
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2022-06-21 18:00:32	ElTimo	Yeah that's what I was thinking of trying, but I don't know if my package cache is complete enough for that not to break.
2022-06-21 18:00:35	Scimmia	I'm seeing that HD500 is from Apollo Lake? The Gallium drivers should be fine AFAIK
2022-06-21 18:00:39	Namarrgon	ElTimo: try a clean ~ if this is an oldish system
2022-06-21 18:01:39	ElTimo	I filed a bug report with KDE but their bugtracker seems like it's just a big black hole.
2022-06-21 18:01:39	Scimmia	susi: are you trying to use the intel DDX instead of the modesetting one?
2022-06-21 18:01:39	ElTimo	Namarrgon: I'll give that a shot, thanks.
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2022-06-21 18:04:04	susi	Scimmia: at the moment yes, but I hve nothing against switching to the modesetting one
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2022-06-21 18:05:18	Scimmia	we've seen that in the past, the intel one wants to use the old drivers. It's totally dead upstream, so it hasn't been, and probably never will be, updated to use the new mesa drivers
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2022-06-21 18:11:17	susi	should I remove Driver "intel" from the configs after switching to intel-media-driver
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2022-06-21 18:12:51	Scimmia	those are two totally different things
2022-06-21 18:13:20	Scimmia	if you want to switch to the modesetting ddx, yes, don't tell it to load the intel one. In fact, uninstall the intel one
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2022-06-21 18:13:58	Scimmia	but that has nothing to do with the vaapi driver you're talking about there
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2022-06-21 18:15:39	Scimmia	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Hardware_video_acceleration#Intel
2022-06-21 18:15:40	phrik	Title: Hardware video acceleration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-21 18:16:22	susi	yeah, currently this considers switching to the modesetting one
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2022-06-21 18:19:01	turret	hey anyone able to help out with wine? it won't create windows saying "no driver could be loaded"
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2022-06-21 18:20:28	susi	[   732.328] (II) modeset(0): glamor X acceleration enabled on Mesa Intel(R) HD Graphics 500 (APL 2)
2022-06-21 18:20:32	susi	wohoo
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2022-06-21 18:23:10	susi	Scimmia: from where this modesetting driver comes then, I thought it's part of intel-media-driver, but I take your sayings as it's not
2022-06-21 18:23:44	Scimmia	it comes with the xorg server
2022-06-21 18:23:49	susi	ah, okay
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2022-06-21 18:24:27	enyc	Have Archlinux updaed the Hexchat package to have sensible default IRC-networks?
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2022-06-21 18:24:51	Betal	sensible default IRC networks?
2022-06-21 18:25:26	Scimmia	enyc: has upstream released a changed default?
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2022-06-21 18:28:20	turret	forgot to add on, wine was working fine before i started messing with my xorg.conf, since i was trying to get bumblebee working
2022-06-21 18:28:55	enyc	Scimmia: yes
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2022-06-21 18:29:13	Scimmia	then Arch would have it, as Arch has the lastest upstream version
2022-06-21 18:29:48	enyc	Scimmia: yes I think confused user in leenode basically has old profile or so
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2022-06-22 18:00:45	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1442 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1441 normals)
2022-06-22 17:21:25	bertieb	Awful question, but I'm deep in xkcd sharks territory here... say I wanted to stay on a particular kernel version; which apckages would I have to also keep at that version to let the system keep booting?
2022-06-22 17:22:09	Scimmia	mostly any pre-built out of tree modules
2022-06-22 17:22:19	Scimmia	and headers, if you use dkms
2022-06-22 17:22:36	bertieb	(context: I've got an ancient Xen server which doesn't like guests with newer kernles, I forgot that and did an update last month, now on boot it's complaining intiramfs contains garbage)
2022-06-22 17:23:24	Scimmia	if you're talking too old, you're going to run into other problems
2022-06-22 17:24:09	bertieb	4.17.11 :S
2022-06-22 17:25:04	Scimmia	well yeah, that's going to be a problem for things like a zstd compressed initramfs, but that's easily configurable
2022-06-22 17:25:05	MrElendig	not even xcp-ng?
2022-06-22 17:25:21	Scimmia	you should also really get on an lts kernel, not just keep it at that
2022-06-22 17:25:33	bertieb	since I still have the cached version of linux-api-headers I was able to downgrade back to that
2022-06-22 17:25:46	bertieb	I should, I really really shout
2022-06-22 17:25:50	bertieb	*should
2022-06-22 17:26:33	bertieb	in the meantime I'd settle for getting this particular domu guest back up and running temporarily
2022-06-22 17:26:47	bertieb	sinec it, uh, hosts my backups
2022-06-22 17:27:00	bertieb	(I know, I know)
2022-06-22 17:29:42	Vorpal	bertieb: suggestion: update the xen server part?
2022-06-22 17:29:58	Vorpal	also it is possible you need to change the compression format of the initramfs
2022-06-22 17:30:09	Vorpal	if that is the issue
2022-06-22 17:30:22	Scimmia	the api headers are more related to glibc than the kernel version
2022-06-22 17:30:45	bertieb	Vorpal: yeah, that's a really good idea too
2022-06-22 17:31:00	Scimmia	but going back that far, it could be an issue, I guess
2022-06-22 17:31:01	bertieb	it really should be updated, for sure
2022-06-22 17:31:14	Vorpal	bertieb: might not even need an old kernel if that is the real issue
2022-06-22 17:31:18	bertieb	I'd rather ditch Xen completely
2022-06-22 17:31:23	bertieb	Vorpal: likely so
2022-06-22 17:31:24	Vorpal	good idea
2022-06-22 17:31:39	bertieb	it's just time and attention
2022-06-22 17:32:01	bertieb	and i don't want to put in a ton of work on this machine since I am in theory getting rid of it Reall Soon Now
2022-06-22 17:32:17	bertieb	but you know how it goes
2022-06-22 17:32:32	Scimmia	the firmware compression is going to be an issue, too
2022-06-22 17:33:23	Scimmia	https://archlinux.org/news/linux-firmware-202201190c6a7b3-2-requires-kernel-53-and-package-splitting/
2022-06-22 17:33:24	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: linux-firmware 20220119.0c6a7b3-2 requires kernel >=5.3 and package splitting (at archlinux.org)
2022-06-22 17:34:39	bertieb	my plan is: (immediate-term) go for an uncompressed initramfs; (short-term) get on an LTS kernel, assuming there's an option that doesn't make this Xen barf (medium term) either upgrade Xen Dom0 or hopefully have the resources to replace the machine
2022-06-22 17:35:42	Scimmia	Both 4.14 and 4.19 are LTS, so you should be able to find something that works
2022-06-22 17:35:49	bertieb	ah, excellent
2022-06-22 17:36:55	Scimmia	The firmware issue I linked shouldn't be a problem on a guest system, so there's that
2022-06-22 17:38:14	bertieb	well that's something :D
2022-06-22 17:38:30	bertieb	I am genuinely grateful for small mercies :)
2022-06-22 17:41:11	bertieb	incidentally, this all started because I wanted to ask a question on the DIY stackexchange, just for more context
2022-06-22 17:46:58	bertieb	thanks for the info all, this has gotten me back on track
2022-06-22 17:48:02	Vorpal	oh, there is a bug in how arch packages pyenv I think
2022-06-22 17:48:09	Vorpal	zsh completions are broken
2022-06-22 17:49:35	Vorpal	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73485 _(
2022-06-22 17:49:36	phrik	Title: FS#73485 : [pyenv] some shell completion broken (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-06-22 17:49:37	Vorpal	:(*
2022-06-22 18:00:49	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-22 18:18:24	Rayyan	i have a toshiba MK8025GAS 80GB hard drive connected over USB using gdisk to create a gpt table and add a partition works fine, but when i try to format that partition it fails i've tried using mkfs with ext4, btrfs and ntfs, but they all fail with this in dmesg: https://bpa.st/raw/WVYQ however, using windows the drive works perfectly: i can create a new partition, format it to ntfs and use the
2022-06-22 18:18:24	Rayyan	drive fine anyone know what could be the problem? thanks! 
2022-06-22 18:18:45	Rayyan	(oops the newlines didn't send properly)
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2022-06-22 18:21:17	Namarrgon	"uname -r"
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2022-06-22 18:23:38	Rayyan	Namarrgon: 5.18.3-arch1-1
2022-06-22 18:23:59	Namarrgon	try the lts kernel
2022-06-22 18:24:12	Namarrgon	the kernel might not get along with the usb bridge
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2022-06-22 18:24:31	Tom^	Rayyan: and pacman -Q linux ?
2022-06-22 18:25:02	Rayyan	Tom^: linux 5.18.3.arch1-1
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2022-06-22 18:28:50	Rayyan	Namarrgon: how would i replace my kernel? 
2022-06-22 18:28:56	Rayyan	just pacman -S linux-lts
2022-06-22 18:28:58	Rayyan	?
2022-06-22 18:29:08	Namarrgon	install it in parallel, yes
2022-06-22 18:29:14	Vorpal	Rayyan: do you use out of tree modules (nvidia for example?)
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2022-06-22 18:29:32	Vorpal	if so you need to install the nvidia-lts package as well. If you use dkms you need linux-lts-headers too
2022-06-22 18:29:35	Rayyan	Vorpal: i use the nvidia-open package
2022-06-22 18:29:41	Vorpal	hm that is dkms?=
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2022-06-22 18:30:00	Rayyan	don't think so?
2022-06-22 18:30:01	Rayyan	https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/nvidia-open/
2022-06-22 18:30:04	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - nvidia-open 515.48.07-6 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
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2022-06-22 18:30:28	Vorpal	does that work with lts?
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2022-06-22 18:30:50	Vorpal	there is no -lts version of nvidia-open
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2022-06-22 18:31:08	Vorpal	you would at the very least need the nvidia-open-dkms instead then
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2022-06-22 18:31:19	Vorpal	and install both linux-headers and linux-lts-headers
2022-06-22 18:32:09	Rayyan	i could also just use tty to quickly check if it works
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2022-06-22 18:32:29	Vorpal	that would probably work yes
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2022-06-22 18:39:05	Helenah	Okay so I've installed Arch Linux on their system, i3wm isn't displaying right, the windows, the status bar, everything is distorted.
2022-06-22 18:39:36	Namarrgon	what kind of distorted?
2022-06-22 18:39:37	Helenah	No text shows, places where text is meant to be I'm seeing like | characters
2022-06-22 18:39:46	Namarrgon	post a picture
2022-06-22 18:39:55	Helenah	I can't
2022-06-22 18:40:02	CarloWood	I forgot the name of the firewall that I use :( 
2022-06-22 18:40:05	Helenah	Statusbar is off screen, the titlebars are tiny
2022-06-22 18:40:06	Namarrgon	installing arch for someone else is generally considered to be a bad idea
2022-06-22 18:40:12	CarloWood	And I can't find it back either in /etc - wtf
2022-06-22 18:41:08	CarloWood	oh it was ufw
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2022-06-22 18:42:37	CarloWood	Hmm, how do I restart ufw :/
2022-06-22 18:43:01	Ingar	 Helenah need to install some fonts ?
2022-06-22 18:43:59	Helenah	It's more than that
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2022-06-22 18:44:04	Helenah	doesn't respond to key presses lol
2022-06-22 18:44:07	Vorpal	CarloWood: probably systemctl
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2022-06-22 18:45:34	Vorpal	Helenah: can you post the X log and journalctl output?
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2022-06-22 18:46:30	Rayyan	Namarrgon, Vorpal: same issue with lts kernel as well
2022-06-22 18:46:37	Helenah	I just gave it them back with the lie of it needs a brand new motherboard and that I'm not qualified to install one.
2022-06-22 18:46:51	Vorpal	-_-
2022-06-22 18:46:56	Namarrgon	Rayyan: do you have any other distro or system to test it with?
2022-06-22 18:46:56	Vorpal	don't lie?
2022-06-22 18:47:09	Helenah	Thank you for your help guys, it's very appreciated!
2022-06-22 18:47:20	Rayyan	https://bpa.st/raw/7HAQ <- dmesg on 5.15 lts
2022-06-22 18:47:27	Ingar	I always blame the PSU for undifined weirdness
2022-06-22 18:47:36	Ingar	*undefined
2022-06-22 18:47:37	Rayyan	Namarrgon: no, but i could easily run one in a vm
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2022-06-22 18:48:08	Helenah	Vorpal: I don't wanna go too much offtopic but... I'm trying to get people off my back as I no longer really like fixing systems and people see me as "The girl who does it".
2022-06-22 18:48:27	Ingar	Helenah: that's quickly fied, charge an hourly rate
2022-06-22 18:48:33	Namarrgon	Rayyan: which usb case is this?
2022-06-22 18:48:50	◣	sord937 (~sord937@gateway/tor-sasl/sord937) ha salido (Quit: sord937)
2022-06-22 18:49:07	Helenah	If anyone wants to chat further about it then you're free to PM but I would like to keep this channel on-topic. :)
2022-06-22 18:49:09	Helenah	Cya soon guys.
2022-06-22 18:49:13	Rayyan	Namarrgon: i'm not sure, this is an old hdd i found
2022-06-22 18:49:22	Rayyan	says sony vaio on the front :P
2022-06-22 18:49:29	susi	Helenah: we need your xorg log
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2022-06-22 18:49:39	Namarrgon	Rayyan: no labels?
2022-06-22 18:49:50	Rayyan	the sata<->usb controller is made by "Myson Century" if that helps
2022-06-22 18:49:53	Namarrgon	Rayyan: plug it in and check lsusb for the vid/pid
2022-06-22 18:50:04	Vorpal	Helenah: just say no then?
2022-06-22 18:50:07	susi	Helenah: /var/log/Xorg.0.log or ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log
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2022-06-22 18:50:42	Rayyan	Namarrgon: Bus 001 Device 006: ID 04cf:8818 Myson Century, Inc. USB2.0 to ATAPI Bridge Controller
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2022-06-22 19:18:25	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1444 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1443 normals)
2022-06-22 18:57:22	Namarrgon	seems to have been a crapshoot whether it worked or not, back in 2005...
2022-06-22 18:58:03	susi	can you post some sources, this is an interesting case, trying to google it myself
2022-06-22 18:58:30	Namarrgon	you can google "linux 04cf:8818"
2022-06-22 19:01:43	susi	but I tried
2022-06-22 19:01:49	susi	or did..
2022-06-22 19:04:04	susi	cold setpci be used in this anyway?
2022-06-22 19:04:44	Vorpal	why does KDE on this laptop specifically turn off the built in screen way before it turns off the external one. Like minutes before.
2022-06-22 19:05:36	Vorpal	there isn't even a setting for it to be different for the two monitors that I can see?
2022-06-22 19:05:56	Vorpal	though there is dim screen, but that looked completely black to me hm
2022-06-22 19:06:09	susi	I made a harsh decision to get rid of all Qt stuff once and for all; had to make some compromises and uninstall some tools not yet replaced, but nothing essential
2022-06-22 19:06:26	Vorpal	susi: right, so what, i3?
2022-06-22 19:06:39	Vorpal	also I happen to like KDE overall
2022-06-22 19:07:09	mefistofeles	Vorpal: it might be related to the laptop itself not handling it properly or not having the support, do you have it to "dim" after some time?
2022-06-22 19:07:25	susi	yes, I made a decision of just having GTK3 (also uninstalled gtk2 and stuff), and possibly allowing gtk4 in the future if need arises
2022-06-22 19:07:33	Vorpal	mefistofeles: I will have to keep an eye on it. But I do believe I saw it dim to about 50%.
2022-06-22 19:07:37	mefistofeles	Vorpal: or better, what are your energy saving settings?
2022-06-22 19:07:51	Vorpal	susi: I hate gnome though
2022-06-22 19:08:11	susi	I don't have an opinion on gnome itself, but I accept gtk3
2022-06-22 19:08:21	susi	do you think Qt is superior to gtk3?
2022-06-22 19:08:25	artefact	i don't really mind toolkits. i just use the best tool for the job
2022-06-22 19:08:40	Vorpal	mefistofeles: https://0x0.st/oS-m.png
2022-06-22 19:08:48	mefistofeles	Vorpal: and just for future references (I guess to be precise and/or avoid confusion), the KDE desktop is called plasma, KDE is just the organization/project
2022-06-22 19:08:57	Vorpal	susi: when coding? Yes
2022-06-22 19:09:16	Vorpal	susi: as a user? It comes out in the wash. Qt is superior to GTK4 though as a user
2022-06-22 19:09:39	susi	Vorpal: can you elaborate a little, interesting
2022-06-22 19:09:57	mefistofeles	!best
2022-06-22 19:09:58	phrik	Use whatever suits _you_ best.
2022-06-22 19:10:07	Vorpal	mefistofeles: sure, but I'm stuck in the old naming scheme. <old man voice> Back when I was young it was called KDE 3.1</old man voice>
2022-06-22 19:11:26	mefistofeles	Vorpal: haha sure
2022-06-22 19:11:27	Vorpal	susi: GTK4 doesn't respect font hinting settings unless you set a hidden property in a .ini file for example. GTK4 doesn't support tray icons (which means easyeffects won't have a tray icon, just run hidden in the background). Lots of user-unfriendly decisions like that. GTK/Gnome devs think they know better and users shouldn't get to decide
2022-06-22 19:12:06	mefistofeles	Qt is much more flexible, but that doesn't necessarily means better, especially for the user experience part
2022-06-22 19:12:11	mefistofeles	s/much//
2022-06-22 19:12:13	Vorpal	susi: as for coding, I have used Qt far more than GTK, but I found the API to be much more sensible in Qt
2022-06-22 19:12:34	Vorpal	at least when I was writing a C++ program
2022-06-22 19:13:18	Vorpal	susi: oh and gnome devs are deprecating custom themes. Any program using libadwaita (which is the "new hot thing") will force the adwaita theme
2022-06-22 19:13:38	Vorpal	I do believe there is still light/dark mode at least
2022-06-22 19:14:11	Vorpal	what does that mean for users who need those special high contrast themes? No idea
2022-06-22 19:14:24	susi	Vorpal: custom themes are redundant multimedia; as long as thei let adwaita be
2022-06-22 19:14:37	Vorpal	susi: you are going to have to explain that
2022-06-22 19:15:20	Vorpal	susi: and how does that work with people who need high contrast mode to be able to read on screen?
2022-06-22 19:16:00	susi	there should be built-in tools/modes for such special cases
2022-06-22 19:16:37	Vorpal	anyway I find modern gnome/gtk to be increadibly user antagonistic. I have made the decision to get rid of GTK for anything where there are reasonable options.
2022-06-22 19:16:38	susi	programs should imply those in code
2022-06-22 19:16:47	Vorpal	susi: and what about the font hinting thing?
2022-06-22 19:16:58	Vorpal	I get headaches from anything except full greyscale hinting
2022-06-22 19:17:34	susi	why are they abandoning custom themes?
2022-06-22 19:17:37	susi	is there some rationale for it
2022-06-22 19:18:09	Vorpal	Too much work for software developers to test
2022-06-22 19:18:13	DeepDayze	GTK4 sounds like trash
2022-06-22 19:18:29	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-06-22 19:18:34	DeepDayze	GTK2/3 were so much better
2022-06-22 19:18:41	Vorpal	Gnome 2 was amazing
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2022-06-22 19:18:46	Vorpal	for the time at least
2022-06-22 19:18:49	DeepDayze	yeah
2022-06-22 19:18:53	DeepDayze	it lives on in MATE
2022-06-22 19:18:56	Vorpal	I mean, I would like a searchable start menu if I went back to it
2022-06-22 19:19:13	DeepDayze	good reason to switch to Plasma for a DE
2022-06-22 19:19:23	CarloWood	I am trying desperatedly to whitelist 'mandrillapp.com' from being grey listed with postgrey... but it keeps grey listing it :(
2022-06-22 19:19:24	BrainDamage	there were third party extensions for that
2022-06-22 19:19:27	DeepDayze	Plasma is getting better and better with each update
2022-06-22 19:19:28	CarloWood	jun 22 19:14:20 daniel postgrey[2435936]: action=greylist, reason=new, client_name=mail128-87.atl41.mandrillapp.com, client_address=198.2.128.87,
2022-06-22 19:19:47	DeepDayze	no fancy extensions needed..but there are nice plasma widgets out there
2022-06-22 19:19:53	Vorpal	DeepDayze: it is. It just as weird bugs. But so does every DE on linux. Just different ones
2022-06-22 19:20:11	Vorpal	cinnamon wasn't half bad, but it seems to have stagnated
2022-06-22 19:20:15	DeepDayze	True that...every DE has its quirks. Even good old Openbox does too
2022-06-22 19:20:16	CarloWood	The wiki says to add 'domain.addr' on a line in a file /etc/postfix/whitelist_clients.local - but that doesn't work :(
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2022-06-22 19:20:38	teo	exit
2022-06-22 19:20:40	teo	logout
2022-06-22 19:20:45	Vorpal	teo: ?
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2022-06-22 19:21:05	BrainDamage	CarloWood: maybe you have to relaunch/reload the daemon
2022-06-22 19:21:10	DeepDayze	teo: if you need to quit irc /quit
2022-06-22 19:21:15	CarloWood	BrainDamage: I did
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2022-06-22 19:21:33	CarloWood	with  systemctl restart postgrey
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2022-06-22 19:28:22	CarloWood	I ran it in strace and it reads /etc/postfix/postgrey_whitelist_clients and tries
2022-06-22 19:28:24	CarloWood	openat(AT_FDCWD, "/etc/postfix/postgrey_whitelist_clients.local", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
2022-06-22 19:28:42	BrainDamage	the filename is different
2022-06-22 19:28:59	CarloWood	Seems https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Postfix#Whitelisting is wrong
2022-06-22 19:29:00	phrik	Title: Postfix - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-06-22 19:29:35	Vorpal	CarloWood: update it! will help future people
2022-06-22 19:29:41	CarloWood	Yes I'll edit it
2022-06-22 19:29:49	CarloWood	after I got it working...
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2022-06-22 19:35:07	CarloWood	updated - it worked
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2022-06-22 19:37:24	susi	Vorpal: https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/4y5zbw/is_there_a_chance_well_ever_have_a_firefox_qt_port/d6l8p0m/ see okungnyo's reply
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2022-06-22 19:37:30	susi	pretty much says everything
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2022-06-22 19:38:18	Vorpal	susi: that is just another opinion on the net. I have no idea who that guy is.
2022-06-22 19:38:40	Vorpal	susi: I have personal experience as both a user and a developer with both Qt and GTK, and my opinion is that Qt is the better option in both cases
2022-06-22 19:38:46	susi	Vorpal: but that's pretty darn funny reply, aint' it
2022-06-22 19:38:53	Vorpal	of course, to you, I'm just another voice on the internet too
2022-06-22 19:38:57	Vorpal	so form you own opinion
2022-06-22 19:39:25	susi	i lol'd to that one, it's pretty funny reply from okungnyo
2022-06-22 19:39:34	Vorpal	susi: really I don't think either toolkit is my dream toolkit though
2022-06-22 19:39:42	◣	semeion (~semeion@user/semeion) ha salido (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2022-06-22 19:40:04	Vorpal	I want GUI development to work like writing a latex document. I tell the system what things to show and what the contents is. It figures out the layout
2022-06-22 19:40:26	Vorpal	I recognize this is way harder for a GUI than a scientific article, and it is probably a pipe dream
2022-06-22 19:40:39	susi	you mean... xhtml and css?
2022-06-22 19:40:52	Ingar	actually what was that ancient system that used postscript for the gui ?
2022-06-22 19:41:00	Vorpal	susi: it is getting there, but not quite. Too much manual fiddling with CSS
2022-06-22 19:41:12	Vorpal	Ingar: early versions of OS X
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2022-06-22 19:41:19	Vorpal	well, it uses PDF via Quartz
2022-06-22 19:41:46	Vorpal	also PS/PDF is not LaTeX. PS/PDF is way more explicit in describing where to place thing
2022-06-22 19:41:47	susi	in a perfect world, every gui would be written in xml or xhtml and stylized with some kind of external stylesheets?
2022-06-22 19:41:51	Ingar	could be, afaik it was older but I can't remember. just something I saw in a youtube vid recently
2022-06-22 19:42:02	susi	this is what you're saying Vorpal ?
2022-06-22 19:42:23	Vorpal	susi: I don't think that is quite the right answer, but there is some reflection of the right answer in that statement. I don't *know* what the right answer is.
2022-06-22 19:42:29	Vorpal	susi: if I knew I would write it
2022-06-22 19:42:34	BrainDamage	stylesheets would have the problem that you need standardized cathegories
2022-06-22 19:42:40	Vorpal	susi: does that clarify it?
2022-06-22 19:43:10	susi	Vorpal: yes, you basically tried to say yes to my question
2022-06-22 19:43:16	susi	in a hard way
2022-06-22 19:43:34	Vorpal	susi: also in practise html+css is a mess of incompatibility still. And legacy cruft.
2022-06-22 19:43:41	Vorpal	and don't even get me started on js
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2022-06-22 19:44:02	susi	but I formulated it more abstractly, "xml (or xhtml) and [external] stylesheets"
2022-06-22 19:44:02	Vorpal	susi: the real html+css+js is an imperfect reflection of the platonic ideal
2022-06-22 19:44:19	BrainDamage	the momenth you add a turing complete language to style your gui you're opening the same can of worms as the modern web
2022-06-22 19:44:22	Vorpal	susi: something like it. Possibly not xml though, possibly some other sort of markup
2022-06-22 19:44:30	Vorpal	BrainDamage: indeed
2022-06-22 19:44:34	susi	I think we agree some kind of xml is the perfect UI description syntax/formulation
2022-06-22 19:44:49	Vorpal	BrainDamage: but latex is turing complete. Yet it works reasonably well.
2022-06-22 19:45:08	Vorpal	because most people are sane enough to do sensible things in it
2022-06-22 19:45:14	BrainDamage	Vorpal: because the devs are the users
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2022-06-22 19:45:46	BrainDamage	when you write a latex document the dev and the user overlap, you only give the finished product in another format which is static
2022-06-22 19:46:01	Vorpal	BrainDamage: can't be the case. I read latex code. It is often /extremely/ well documented. Scientists use LaTeX. Scientific code is often poorly documented.
2022-06-22 19:46:03	Vorpal	:P
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2022-06-22 19:46:17	Vorpal	(I feel I made a logical fallacy there)
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2022-06-22 19:46:56	susi	is the universe turing complete?
2022-06-22 19:46:56	BrainDamage	they just apply different mindsets to writing an article and writing code
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2022-06-22 19:47:28	Vorpal	hm, not always. I read some pretty confusing articles
2022-06-22 19:47:42	BrainDamage	that's a specific case
2022-06-22 19:47:48	Vorpal	true
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2022-06-22 19:50:55	Vorpal	susi: anyway my point is that for the default case I should not need to write a style sheet. The system should do something sensible. I should be able to override that occasionally though
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2022-06-22 19:51:03	Vorpal	that would be more like LaTeX
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2022-06-22 20:07:11	b0b	can anyone commend on using php or php7 for nextcloud? is it to be expected that php advances to 8.2 before nextcloud can handle that version?
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2022-06-22 20:08:02	b0b	s/commend/comment/
2022-06-22 20:08:35	apexfinity	a
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2022-06-22 20:10:28	ℹ 	darkphoenix es conocido ahora como rainboxphoenix
2022-06-22 20:12:47	cc0a3hr	Why people telling you should update Arch system often to keep stability? Pacman update can broke the system if I don't update for a long time. But why is it happening?
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2022-06-22 20:13:58	dav1d	I only had an update break my arch install after coming back to it like 3-5 years later
2022-06-22 20:14:00	b0b	cc0a3hr: upgrading fewer packages at once make it easier to pinpoint the culprit if something goes wrong
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2022-06-22 20:14:26	dav1d	and the problem was some incompatible versions of glib and openssl which bricked pacman
2022-06-22 20:14:29	mefistofeles	I guess there are a coupe of reasons for that, one being that most people/devs test new packages with up to date systems, so I guess the closer you are to that the better. Another reasons might be that if you wait longer there are many things changes (in both number of packages and things changing in every single package)
2022-06-22 20:14:49	mefistofeles	dav1d: yeah, you got lucky xD
2022-06-22 20:15:02	mefistofeles	it des depend on what packages do you have installed and such, of course
2022-06-22 20:15:06	mefistofeles	*does
2022-06-22 20:15:24	dav1d	mefistofeles, why lucky, because it never broke otherwise?
2022-06-22 20:16:25	dav1d	(this would have been fixable with a livecd though)
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2022-06-22 21:31:55	jtritz	recently, when i ran updates, the way the cursor highlight in vim (via my shell i believe) changed from yellow to purple, this is fine/ok, but the way parenthesis highlight got inverted so that the square shows up on the matching parenthetical and this i don't like, any simple way to revert/change?
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2022-06-22 21:47:16	ℹ 	money es conocido ahora como polo
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2022-06-23 12:32:57	artefact	i think i broke my sudo. it was working ten minutes ago, now it won't accept my (correct) password. su works. https://paste.debian.net/plainh/7c8a8da7 any ideas?
2022-06-23 12:34:32	artefact	ah, trying to log into tty2 directly says my account is locked for 10 minutes. sudo just insults me instead
2022-06-23 12:34:42	artefact	!next
2022-06-23 12:34:42	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-06-23 12:34:57	mpan	artefact: so faillock prolly.
2022-06-23 12:38:55	jelle	artefact: you know how to remove the faillock lock?
2022-06-23 12:42:37	artefact	dosen't really matter. i don't need sudo for the next ten minutes. or i can just use su -c in the meantime
2022-06-23 12:52:02	birkoff	suddenly after a reboot lightdm's webkit2 greeter would only show a black screen and a mouse cursor. I tried changing theme but it didn't help. Other greeters work fine. There doesn't appear to be anything in the logs and I have debugging enabled for the greeter too besides warnings about missing plymouth and xkbcomp missing symbols
2022-06-23 12:52:36	birkoff	I also tried reinstalling the greeter and commenting all lines but the theme one
2022-06-23 12:52:45	birkoff	I have no idea what happened
2022-06-23 13:50:14	solsTiCe	hi. I wanted to check integrity of all files for security measure; `paccheck --quiet --md5sum` is not an option if the pacman db has been temperred with. So I needed a new pacman db. I booted an arch iso, and installed of the package of my system in a temp root. That way, I got a clean pacman db against which to check my system. What other options ? IF I don't run rkhunter or any IDS regularly ?
2022-06-23 14:08:05	mpan	solsTiCe: to start with, the approach is wrong, because MD5 can’t be used to determine if file hasn’t been tempered with. Digitally sign a concatenation of all files of interest, ordered. To verify verify the signature.
2022-06-23 14:08:55	solsTiCe	ah yes sha256sums..
2022-06-23 14:09:17	artefact	i mean, if you think your pacman db has been tampered with, why wouldn't the sha256sum binary also have been tampered with
2022-06-23 14:09:35	mpan	Or at worst use SHA2 or another cyrptographic hash.
2022-06-23 14:09:51	mpan	artefact: I assume they use live ISO.
2022-06-23 14:11:27	mpan	Of course we then may ask about the evil maid, but I assume this is not what they want to protect against.
2022-06-23 14:11:51	mpan	Anyway: SHA2 or other cyrptographic hash function, or — even better — a digital signature.
2022-06-23 14:12:25	mpan	Because hash would still need to be stored in safe place. Unlike the signature, which may be stored with vulnerable files.
2022-06-23 14:23:47	solsTiCe	I am using what I could find. the inegrity check from within pacman db. Donwloaded straight from a mirror. Sure , for a strong security, a real IDS would be better
2022-06-23 14:24:09	mpan	But integrity check is not meant for secure veritifcation.
2022-06-23 14:24:29	mpan	It’s against random errors. Read: bit flipping or sectors getting damaged on the HDD.
2022-06-23 14:24:36	solsTiCe	yes. at least sha256sum is better than md5sum
2022-06-23 14:24:54	artefact	against random errors, md5 is still fine
2022-06-23 14:26:07	artefact	or just use btrfs/bcachefs and run a scrub ;-)
2022-06-23 14:26:10	gnsfujiwara	guys, did you have problems with keepassxc (and other qt5 programs) in the last qt5 update too?
2022-06-23 14:27:27	mpan	Yes, it is. Actually it still works in HMACs. Though using HMAC-MD5, while you can simply digitally sign data, makes no sense.
2022-06-23 14:27:52	mpan	In particular since `openssl dgst -hmac …` has no way to securely pass the key.
2022-06-23 14:27:58	mpan	gnsfujiwara: last = which one?
2022-06-23 14:28:00	Namarrgon	gnsfujiwara: what problems?
2022-06-23 14:28:10	mpan	gnsfujiwara: which versions exactly?
2022-06-23 14:28:43	mpan	↑↑↑ *securely and sanely
2022-06-23 14:31:04	gnsfujiwara	mpan.reply("Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (5.15.4) with this library (5.15.5)
2022-06-23 14:31:05	gnsfujiwara	zsh: IOT instruction (core dumped)  keepassxc")
2022-06-23 14:31:30	mpan	gnsfujiwara: which versions of the packages you have installed, exactly?
2022-06-23 14:31:34	Namarrgon	"pacman -Qm" you have some old qt5 program installed that needs a rebuild
2022-06-23 14:32:06	Vorpal	Something is broken in how Arch Linux packages pycharm-community-edition: In KDE the focus for certain popups is broken. This works fine if I download the upstream tar-ball and run it directly from there. :(
2022-06-23 14:32:06	mpan	gnsfujiwara: you either have a partial upgrade or built some package of your own, but without the info above little can be said.
2022-06-23 14:32:07	gnsfujiwara	I solved that doing a downgrade
2022-06-23 14:32:23	mpan	No, you just silenced the warning. That is not a solution.
2022-06-23 14:33:05	gnsfujiwara	but I don't like to risk a partial upgrade
2022-06-23 14:33:13	mpan	You just did that.
2022-06-23 14:33:18	mpan	Can you answer the question? 
2022-06-23 14:33:28	Namarrgon	a selective downgrade is a partial update as well
2022-06-23 14:33:54	Namarrgon	either uninstall or rebuild your foreign packages
2022-06-23 14:39:51	Vamp898	Hi there, i have an weird issue i can't seem to fix. Under GNOME, i am no longer able to run Chromium or Google Chrome. I get an libva error trying to load the nVidia Driver (i have an AMD). I first thought it js related to wayland, but on KDE with Wayland, i can start it just fine. Also vdpauinfo on KDE (Xorg and Wayland) works perfectly. vdpau
2022-06-23 14:39:51	Vamp898	info on GNOME crashed with the info, again, he cannot load the nVidia Driver
2022-06-23 14:41:20	Vamp898	And i can't find out why GNOME wants to load the nVidia Driver even though i have an AMD (with all drivers installed)
2022-06-23 14:46:12	Namarrgon	can you post the errors to a paste service?
2022-06-23 14:50:04	Vamp898	Yeah that is the issue. When i switch to GNOME, i can no longer open Chrome (i am using Kiwiirc). But ill save the error to an textfile and post it. I found several threads with the same issue, maybe i am able to find the exact error message using a google Search. but it was nothing special. It was just libva telling that it cannot load the nvidia
2022-06-23 14:50:04	Vamp898	driver shared
2022-06-23 14:50:18	Vamp898	It was this error, but with nVidia instead of Intel: "libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/i965_drv_video.so init failed"
2022-06-23 14:50:47	Vamp898	nothing more, this is everything that is posted when i start chromium or google chrome. No additional output
2022-06-23 14:51:21	Namarrgon	that is probably unrelated to the actual issue
2022-06-23 14:51:29	Namarrgon	have you tried a clean user account?
2022-06-23 14:51:52	Vamp898	Yes and no. I deleted .config .local .cache and everything i could find that is related to chrome
2022-06-23 14:52:27	Vamp898	find ~ / -type d -iname "*chrome*"
2022-06-23 14:52:36	Vamp898	and the same for chromium
2022-06-23 14:53:19	Vamp898	But it did not try with a fresh/clean user, i could try that next
2022-06-23 15:17:34	Vamp898	So i am back in GNOME using Epiphany now. I created a complete new/empty home directory, but the error persists unchanged. libva error: vaGetDriverNameByIndex() failed with unknown libva error, driver_name = (null)
2022-06-23 15:17:53	Vamp898	but this time he doesn't try to load the nVidia Driver, this time he just says there is no driver at all
2022-06-23 15:20:24	Namarrgon	is this with gnome on X11 or wayland?
2022-06-23 15:20:29	Vamp898	Wayland
2022-06-23 15:20:42	Namarrgon	what about the x11 session?
2022-06-23 15:21:03	Namarrgon	pacman -Q chromium mesa
2022-06-23 15:21:34	Vamp898	Haven't tested that. I assumed its not related to Wayland because it works on KDE Wayland (and i need wayland because my external screen only supports 24fps on Xorg...). But i can try, but let me first paste the pacman -Q command
2022-06-23 15:21:48	Vamp898	chromium 103.0.5060.53-1 :: mesa 22.1.2-1
2022-06-23 15:22:46	Namarrgon	where is that chromium version from?
2022-06-23 15:23:20	Namarrgon	ah, nvm, my mirror is just behind
2022-06-23 15:23:33	Vamp898	I am using GWDG as mirror
2022-06-23 15:23:58	jensen	very rarely when i start my system the monitor resolution is limited to a low resolution 1024x768 and i need to reboot, anyone know why? i started with no mouse/keyboard input
2022-06-23 15:24:06	Vamp898	But as said, it works fine on KDE (Both X11 and Wayland), so i assume it is related to something GNOME does .
2022-06-23 15:28:26	Vorpal	Vamp898: does it matter if you start from a desktop file or a terminal?
2022-06-23 15:29:28	Vorpal	I had weird issues where the environment would differ between DEs and start methods. In that case it was for Steam. Never got to the bottom of why exactly steam would not start via a desktop file under Cinnamon before I switched to KDE anyway
2022-06-23 15:29:49	Vorpal	maybe environment variables? who knows
2022-06-23 15:30:54	Vamp898	Vorpal exactly yes. Tried both, no difference
2022-06-23 15:31:48	Vorpal	Vamp898: you could dump the environment to a text file in both cases (env > kde.txt and env > gnome.txt) then diff the files and see if there was anything relevant
2022-06-23 15:32:25	Vamp898	When i jtry starting it with this command: chromium --enable-features=UseOzonePlatform --ozone-platform=wayland i get a different error message, but the same result: [10880:10880:0623/153143.991050:ERROR:gpu_init.cc(486)] Passthrough is not supported, GL is egl, ANGLE is
2022-06-23 15:32:47	Vorpal	hm and under X11?
2022-06-23 15:33:34	Vamp898	And as mentioned earlier. vdpau (which worked under KDE) no longer works unter GNOME, giving the following output: Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory :: Error creating VDPAU device: 1
2022-06-23 15:33:42	Vamp898	So it is not related to chromium as it seems, its a more general issue
2022-06-23 15:34:02	Vorpal	and under X11 session?
2022-06-23 15:34:07	Vamp898	Let me try
2022-06-23 15:36:29	Vamp898	Works fine on X11, just not on Wayland
2022-06-23 15:38:29	Vamp898	If i start it using the following Command: LIBVA_DRIVER_NAMEP="radeonsi" chromium everything works fine. I wonder why this is needed on GNOME and not on KDE
2022-06-23 15:38:46	Vorpal	odd
2022-06-23 15:38:59	Vorpal	there is an easy workaround though: use kde for now ;)
2022-06-23 15:39:38	Vamp898	;)
2022-06-23 16:33:01	spo0n	dunno if exactly right place to ask but I were using webapp-manager on KDE and it was all fine with their launcher / search bar but I can't gget it to work trough rofi / wofi 
2022-06-23 16:44:52	bug2000	What do you use for arbitrary archive decompression with folder creation? (i.e., if it has multiple files to create a folder with its name and extract there)
2022-06-23 16:51:20	mpan	bug2000: you mean an archive manager?
2022-06-23 16:58:11	Booni	 Guys, had a problem on my system all the time the mouse freezing (screen tearing) tried everything nothing works changed distros 3 times. I managed to find the culprit > plasma-sysmonitor. Once I open system starts to tear until it becomes unresponsive. is it a know bug?
2022-06-23 17:00:46	mpan	Booni: the nature of this program makes it an unlikely culprit. How did you came to the conclusion it is it? The symptoms resemble those of heavy I/O.
2022-06-23 17:02:00	Booni	mpan: I agree completely, in fact I was so surprised and it took me 3 distro changes to find the culprit cause I woul have never guessed.  Coming to the conclusion is simple - I can recreate the crash whenever I want buy opening it. If I do two days not opening it my system stays completely stable.
2022-06-23 17:02:09	mpan	(Also, no bug relevant reports in either Arch or KDE bugtracker)
2022-06-23 17:02:15	mitch0	I had similar issues with plasma-networkmanager (plasma stuck for several seconds during network config)
2022-06-23 17:02:45	mpan	Booni: can you check memory usage of that particular process?
2022-06-23 17:03:17	mpan	Also, make sure your system is fully upgraded, not partially upgraded and you have no stale custom packages related to Qt.
2022-06-23 17:05:14	Booni	mpan:  once I open plasma-systemmonitor I start to get these errors: [  1032.644] (EE) NVIDIA(GPU-0): WAIT (0, 8, 0x8000, 0x0000d8e4, 0x0000d8e4) in Xorg.0.log and also  473.580] (II) event2  - PixArt USB Optical Mouse: SYN_DROPPED event - some input events have been lost. 
2022-06-23 17:05:23	Booni	And from then on the system starts going down hill 
2022-06-23 17:05:48	mpan	That may be a symptom of system being slow, not the cause. Not saying it certainly is, but correlation ≠ causation.
2022-06-23 17:05:50	Booni	If I even try to logout or ALT + CTRL + F* to go to terminal it crashes, or try to power off /restart
2022-06-23 17:06:08	mpan	Hence I ask about the memory usage, as that may be a runaway memory leak.
2022-06-23 17:06:23	mpan	(no other hypothesis so far)
2022-06-23 17:06:25	Booni	mpan:  yep, but they only happen once plasma-system monitor is opened and the system starts slowing /freezing until unusable
2022-06-23 17:06:37	mpan	Yes. Hence I ask for memory usage of that particular process.
2022-06-23 17:07:05	Booni	mpan:  memory is completely fine when it's open, it was using around 100MB ? 
2022-06-23 17:07:21	Booni	As in plasma-sysmon uses around 100MB
2022-06-23 17:07:27	mpan	Measured by the means of…
2022-06-23 17:07:38	Booni	by plasma-systmonitor itself?
2022-06-23 17:08:04	mpan	Does it even update when this happens? What type of memory usage indicator it is?
2022-06-23 17:08:06	Booni	Or you wish for measurment from another software?
2022-06-23 17:08:27	mpan	May be that one, if it works and provides relevant information.
2022-06-23 17:09:00	mpan	If that is a runaway memory leak AND your system is fully upgraded, it will be a clean case of a reproducible bug that can be reported.
2022-06-23 17:12:53	Booni	mpan:  so I opened it, and it's using 150MB of RAM, and the system already started to  show signs of detoriation little by little
2022-06-23 17:13:29	Booni	but I'm sure it's not a memory leak cause it's the first  thing I checked  when the system started freezing if my ram got full by any application leaking and it wasn't
2022-06-23 17:13:33	mpan	What is the column, that displays “150MB” called, exactly?
2022-06-23 17:13:40	Booni	If you need any screenshots I can give you
2022-06-23 17:13:46	mpan	Then I have no other ideas.
2022-06-23 17:14:03	Booni	the collumn just says 'Memory'
2022-06-23 17:14:05	mpan	But that basically looks like heavy I/O, by symptoms. Not saying that certainly it is.
2022-06-23 17:14:34	Booni	And funny things is, if I use KSYSGUARD instead of plasma-systemmonitor it doesn't happen
2022-06-23 17:14:34	mpan	Does that program measure I/O, by process?
2022-06-23 17:14:51	Namarrgon	if you close it everything goes back to normal?
2022-06-23 17:14:56	Booni	Hmmhmm let me check 
2022-06-23 17:15:13	Booni	Namarrgon: no, once it's opened, even if I close it, the system continues to detoriate 
2022-06-23 17:15:28	Namarrgon	post the kernel log from such a session
2022-06-23 17:15:48	Namarrgon	is this an optimus laptop?
2022-06-23 17:16:59	Booni	Since I opened it to check RAM for mpan - the system already started to freeze here and there so if you wish I can give you the kernel log
2022-06-23 17:17:14	Namarrgon	sure
2022-06-23 17:17:20	mpan	It will stay in the journal?
2022-06-23 17:17:38	Booni	No it's a PC Namarrgon -  ivybridge i7   with an nvidia GTX960
2022-06-23 17:18:17	Booni	If I get disconnected the system will be frozen so I will rejoin afterwards
2022-06-23 17:18:25	Namarrgon	using nouveau or the blob?
2022-06-23 17:19:26	Booni	Namarrgon: where is the kernel log located on Arch?
2022-06-23 17:19:33	Booni	I'm using propriety drivers
2022-06-23 17:19:39	mpan	In case you need to reset the computer, Alt+SysRq+S should sync data to disk as long as kernel is fine. Gives some chances journal will contain the kernel messages you can inspect on the next boot.
2022-06-23 17:20:06	Namarrgon	"dmesg"
2022-06-23 17:20:09	mpan	Wait, do laptops have SysRq?
2022-06-23 17:20:18	Booni	mpan: in fact that's how I restart the system when this happen ALT+SysRQ+ R/E/I/S/U and then B
2022-06-23 17:20:33	mpan	Then do +S first.
2022-06-23 17:20:38	Booni	mpan:  like I siad it's a PC Desktop, ivybridge i7 
2022-06-23 17:21:06	mpan	`journalctl -b -1` for the previous session’s journal.
2022-06-23 17:24:35	Booni	Namarrgon: I saved dmesg into a file, where shall I share it with you?
2022-06-23 17:24:43	mpan	!paste
2022-06-23 17:24:44	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-06-23 17:29:04	Booni	thank you mpan
2022-06-23 17:29:15	Booni	Namarrgon:  here is kernel log https://bpa.st/JGMA
2022-06-23 17:29:15	phrik	Title: View paste JGMA (at bpa.st)
2022-06-23 17:29:46	Booni	I will try to take another when the system gets worst  as its only lightly freezing till now 
2022-06-23 17:31:48	bug2000	mpan, something in cli. Like unarchiver just not broken.
2022-06-23 17:32:08	mpan	bug2000: then dunno. Using engrampa for that, but that’s GUI.
2022-06-23 17:33:50	Edu4rdSHL	bug2000, try bsdtar
2022-06-23 17:36:04	bug2000	Edu4rdSHL, I couldn't find a flag to create a folder if the archive has more than 1 file there.
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2022-06-23 17:37:41	mpan	Booni: I see nothing suspicious related to the issue. 
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2022-06-23 18:05:39	Booni	Namarrgon: did you see the log file by any chance? 
2022-06-23 18:05:57	Namarrgon	apart from the XID error? nothing interesting
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2022-06-23 18:06:45	Vorpal	"Unable to negotiate with 192.168.2.185 port 22: no matching host key type found. Their offer: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss" How do I make the ssh client able to connect to a really old server?
2022-06-23 18:07:17	Booni	Namarrgon: any ideas? Might the XID error has to do with it? 
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2022-06-23 18:08:09	teraflops	Vorpal: something like -oKexAlgorithms=+diffie-hellman-group1-sha1
2022-06-23 18:08:30	Vorpal	ah, thanks
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2022-06-23 18:09:37	progandy	Vorpal: in this case you probably need -oHostKeyAlgorithms +ssh-rsa
2022-06-23 18:10:05	Vorpal	progandy: thanks that was it
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2022-06-23 18:11:18	progandy	Vorpal: I'd suggest you try to build/find an updated sshd for that server.
2022-06-23 18:11:51	progandy	but if sshd is that old, the other software is probably not better.
2022-06-23 18:11:58	Vorpal	I'm well aware
2022-06-23 18:12:38	Vorpal	progandy: I'm doing data rescue from an old Pentium 3. I had to find a linux distro that would boot on it. Modern system rescue CD does not fit on a CD and it doesn't have USB boot. So I used an old version of system rescue cd I had burned from like 15 years ago
2022-06-23 18:13:01	Vorpal	and I need the P3, because the disk I'm trying to rescue is pre-LBA, which a modern USB-IDE interface can't read
2022-06-23 18:13:02	Namarrgon	Booni: possibly related but the question is why only sysmonitor triggers is
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2022-06-23 18:13:14	Vorpal	also usb ports on it are dead, so I need to transfer the data over the network
2022-06-23 18:13:19	Vorpal	or semi-dead
2022-06-23 18:13:33	Vorpal	progandy: so, I have very good reasons for doing the silly stuff I'm doing
2022-06-23 18:13:46	progandy	have fun. at least it is not a production system in some forgotten corner
2022-06-23 18:15:10	Booni	Namarrgon:  yep it's weird. And that's why I'm curious why it's happening.  I mean I can easily avoided by not opening and using KsysGuard instead but I wish to know why - and maybe it helps someone in the future
2022-06-23 18:15:14	Vorpal	now to figure out how to transfer this back
2022-06-23 18:15:35	Vorpal	progandy: sshfs from the p3 to a modern system doesn't work (of course) and I need somewhere to run ddrescue to that is large enough.
2022-06-23 18:15:47	Vorpal	and as already stated, usb drives don't work well in it
2022-06-23 18:16:56	progandy	that sounds like an interesting setup.
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2022-06-23 18:17:11	BrainDamage	you can pipe data through ssh
2022-06-23 18:18:18	BrainDamage	ssh machine tar -czf - files > fileonmymachine
2022-06-23 18:18:28	BrainDamage	won't be fast, but it should work
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2022-06-23 18:21:52	Vorpal	BrainDamage: I want to do a ddrescue of a disk that is slighly larger than the RAM disk I have though
2022-06-23 18:21:55	Vorpal	so not going to work
2022-06-23 18:22:20	Vorpal	the disk is 240 MB, I have 210 MB free RAM, and / is a ram disk from the CD I'm booted
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2022-06-23 18:22:40	Vorpal	it's a DOS/win3.1 install I'm copying
2022-06-23 18:22:58	BrainDamage	remount / as read only, then just ddrescue the data through ssh
2022-06-23 18:23:33	Vorpal	I don't believe ddrescue works that way, it keeps a log file etc and retries sectors and such
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2022-06-23 18:24:58	progandy	can that system rescue cd access nfs?
2022-06-23 18:25:37	mpan	Booni: if you run plasma-sysmonitor with strace, does it produce anything that you would consider suspicious?
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2022-06-23 18:26:02	Vorpal	progandy: that could be an idea, but probably only nfs2 or nfs3. I have no experience setting that up though
2022-06-23 18:26:12	mpan	Not that I can immediately point to any such thing or that sending us the log would help (too big), but perhaps it gives some hint to you.
2022-06-23 18:27:11	BrainDamage	Vorpal: try regular bitwise copy first, switch to ddrescue if it fails
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2022-06-23 18:28:59	Vorpal	BrainDamage: dd over network? via netcat?
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2022-06-23 18:29:09	BrainDamage	via ssh
2022-06-23 18:29:17	Booni	mpan: what does strace do?
2022-06-23 18:29:30	mpan	Booni: traces system calls.
2022-06-23 18:29:44	Vorpal	BrainDamage: you mean ssh system -c "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/stdout" > img?
2022-06-23 18:29:51	Vorpal	or something like that
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2022-06-23 18:29:55	mpan	The output will be HEAVY. Just a warning. But among the matrix-style rain of invocations, perhaps you will see some pattern.
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2022-06-23 18:30:10	BrainDamage	you might need to run that as root
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2022-06-23 18:30:24	Booni	mpan: haha at least I will feel cool like I'm on the MAtrix ship 
2022-06-23 18:31:12	mpan	Booni: it will also slow down plasma-sysmonitor, so do not be surprised. Also ignore anything that happens in relation to you moving a mouse within window etc. Just let it run for a moment with no interaction with the window.
2022-06-23 18:31:20	ℹ 	PenguinAtHome1 es conocido ahora como PenguinAtHome
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2022-06-23 18:35:26	Booni	mpan:  it's actually barely outputting anything. A few lines and now kinda stopped 
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2022-06-23 18:36:43	Booni	mpan: Oh wait nothing, I was an idiot. I ran  'plasma-systemmonitor strace' not vice-versa
2022-06-23 18:36:44	Booni	lol
2022-06-23 18:37:23	mpan	:)
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2022-06-23 18:38:03	mpan	inb4 running it with strace causes the problem to disappear…
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2022-06-23 18:42:32	Booni	mpan: funnily enough, today my system still didn't get too bad or crash from that time that I opened it when you asked me for the first time.. it slowed down a bit sometimes when I opened the app tiself but that's it
2022-06-23 18:42:51	Booni	the only thing I changed is I started using Compiz/Emeral instead of Kwin
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2022-06-23 18:48:39	Vorpal	BrainDamage: it worked
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2022-06-23 19:30:57	lf94	Can Arch not mount ntfs by default?
2022-06-23 19:31:21	mpan	!aw ntfs
2022-06-23 19:31:22	phrik	mpan: Ntfs - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Ntfs
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2022-06-23 19:47:48	ianliu	I have a lenovo laptop with a "Intel Comet Lake PCH CNVi WiFi" card, as shown by lspci. Since past week, my wifi NIC doesn't show in "ip link" and thus can't get any IP address. The lspci command shows that my wifi is using iwlwifi kernel module, which is loaded. I can see some errors on `dmesg | grep iwlwifi` (pasted here: https://termbin.com/nvx6), but I can't figure out anything else. Any
2022-06-23 19:47:51	ianliu	help?
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2022-06-23 19:51:01	colo	ianliu, I guess you probably need to down- or upgrade your kernel image and intel wifi ucode/firmware packages to make it work again...
2022-06-23 19:51:10	colo	(just a guess from what the log says)
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2022-06-23 19:52:21	mefistofeles	ianliu: https://community.intel.com/t5/Wireless/Linux-Intel-AC-9560-iwlwifi-fails-on-kernels-above-5-10/m-p/1377824 seems like it fails for 5.10 or newer, that sucks xD
2022-06-23 19:52:23	phrik	Title: Linux: Intel AC 9560: iwlwifi fails on kernels above 5.10 - Intel Communities (at community.intel.com)
2022-06-23 19:52:34	mefistofeles	ianliu: what kernel version are you using?
2022-06-23 19:53:01	ianliu	5.18.5-arch1-1
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2022-06-23 19:55:06	ianliu	I was definitely using a kernel > 5.10 before last week :P
2022-06-23 19:56:12	ianliu	brb
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2022-06-23 20:01:02	ianliu	not working with linux-lts also :/
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2022-06-23 20:07:24	teraflops	lts is 5.15.49-1
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2022-06-23 20:09:07	teraflops	ianliu: do you have previous kernel in pacman's cache? maybe it's worth till a new kernel hits the repos
2022-06-23 20:10:59	Vorpal	if it is a firmware thing, will it try loading an older firmware if the latest one is missing?
2022-06-23 20:11:17	Vorpal	ianliu: you could try downgrading linux-firmware
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2022-06-23 20:13:22	ianliu	I have like 10 versions cached of linux-firmware under /var/cache/pacman/. Is downgrading just a matter of pacman -U /var/cache/...?
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2022-06-23 20:13:52	artefact	mostly yes
2022-06-23 20:14:10	artefact	should be ok for firmware, but downgrading is similar to a partial upgrade, and mostly unsupported
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2022-06-23 20:14:33	Vorpal	ianliu: you might need to regenerate the initramfs if it isn't triggered automatically
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2022-06-23 20:14:43	ianliu	right
2022-06-23 20:15:01	ianliu	will try in a while, thanks everyone!
2022-06-23 20:15:36	susi	how come /var/cache/pacman/pkg dir shows size of 40960 even though it's empty? https://0x0.st/oSNW.txt
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2022-06-23 20:16:41	artefact	what fs?
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2022-06-23 20:17:06	susi	ext4
2022-06-23 20:17:18	Vorpal	that size is the inode size isn't it?
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2022-06-23 20:26:36	soren_	are wireless mouses generally plug and play? I was not successful in setting up bluetooth for my XPS 13 9360 with Galaxy Buds. I need a backup mice that is low profile, preferably with tilt-wheel and back/forth thumb buttons that also be used on a Raspberry Pi
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2022-06-23 20:27:05	another|	!crossposting
2022-06-23 20:27:05	phrik	another|: No idea
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2022-06-23 20:28:54	artefact	they are
2022-06-23 20:28:59	ℹ 	hexagenic__ es conocido ahora como Hexagenic
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2022-06-23 20:29:30	artefact	the bluetooth ones are. the "wireless" ones that come with an adapter, you'll need the adapter
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2022-06-23 20:29:55	Vorpal	you may need to re-pair them if you change computer
2022-06-23 20:30:11	Vorpal	the one I use can remember up to three different pairings
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2022-06-23 20:30:40	Vorpal	also it supports all of: logitech adapter, bluetooth, or usb c
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2022-06-23 20:30:49	Vorpal	It's an MX Vertical, a bit pricey
2022-06-23 20:30:54	Vorpal	and not low profile
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2022-06-23 20:32:48	susi	Vorpal: you like it, mx vertical?
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2022-06-23 20:35:13	Vorpal	susi: yes, I have carpal tunnel syndrome, it helps my hand not hurt
2022-06-23 20:35:26	Vorpal	what with it being a vertical mouse
2022-06-23 20:35:41	Vorpal	it is also a nice mouse
2022-06-23 20:36:48	artefact	i'd love to try these
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2022-06-23 20:37:06	artefact	i'm limited to like 10% of mice b/c i want thumb buttons on the right
2022-06-23 20:37:43	susi	I'm left-handed who uses mice usually with right hand
2022-06-23 20:38:20	sweetmeat	Do they even make mice that aren't bluetooth/super budget that don't have a thumb button or a rocker on the side?
2022-06-23 20:39:41	artefact	usually the buttons are only on the left
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2022-06-23 20:40:25	Vorpal	susi: maybe the oyster mouse is for you then
2022-06-23 20:40:28	Vorpal	a friend of mine has it
2022-06-23 20:40:34	artefact	susi: i've always used left hand for the mouse, but i've never swapped the buttons
2022-06-23 20:40:42	Vorpal	it is a mouse that can be tilted between left vertical, right vertical or flat
2022-06-23 20:40:55	artefact	(my left click is with the middle finger)
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2022-06-23 20:42:27	Vorpal	wow that is expensive
2022-06-23 20:42:32	Vorpal	also it is wired
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2022-06-23 20:42:55	Vorpal	or hm some versions of it are wired?
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2022-06-23 20:48:02	Vorpal	artefact: what do you use the thumb buttons for?
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2022-06-23 20:48:15	Vorpal	outside of the rare game that binds them by default I don't ever use them
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2022-06-23 20:56:12	sweetmeat	so anyone else have an issue with GDM where you have to switch ttys for it to render? I added my graphics modules to the initramfs MODULES and rebuilt like a lot of the solutions online said, but that doesn't work.
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2022-06-23 21:05:27	topcat001	I'm setting up an old Surface 4 device just for fun. Planning to install and try the kernel from the linux-surface project on GitHub. The ISO kernel fortunately supports enough to complete the initial install.
2022-06-23 21:06:11	topcat001	Not working: cameras, touch support not tested yet
2022-06-23 21:06:33	topcat001	on the stock "linux" kernel
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2022-06-23 21:08:58	topcat001	(these super specialised for windows devices present a fun challenge but I'd never buy them)
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2022-06-23 21:10:46	vqueiroz	is it safe to delete everything under /var/cache?
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2022-06-23 21:12:00	Edu4rdSHL	vqueiroz, pacman -Qo /var/cache/
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2022-06-23 21:13:05	vqueiroz	Edu4rdSHL: pacman is probably one of the utilities that has the worst commands I've ever seen. I just can't understand them haha
2022-06-23 21:13:11	vqueiroz	Edu4rdSHL: What does that do?
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2022-06-23 21:13:43	topcat001	really? I find it very powerful and has an excellent manual.
2022-06-23 21:13:59	Edu4rdSHL	Well, pacman is very intuitive if you read the manpage or even --help :p. That command tell you which packages have directories there owned bu them
2022-06-23 21:14:03	Edu4rdSHL	by *
2022-06-23 21:14:07	topcat001	indeed
2022-06-23 21:14:33	Edu4rdSHL	So, it allows you to see which packages have data there and then maybe inspect each one before simply deleting everything there
2022-06-23 21:15:51	topcat001	!give vqueiroz aw pacman/rosetta
2022-06-23 21:15:52	phrik	vqueiroz: Pacman/Rosetta - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Rosetta
2022-06-23 21:15:59	Edu4rdSHL	However, most packages just create empty folders in /var/cache/ so instead of rm -rf /var/cache/* you may want a rm -rf /var/cache/*/*
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2022-06-23 21:16:38	Edu4rdSHL	But again, there may be more data from other programs that you might want to check
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2022-06-23 21:17:42	vqueiroz	I just deleted it =D
2022-06-23 21:17:59	Edu4rdSHL	Okay :)
2022-06-23 21:18:08	teraflops	heh
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2022-06-23 21:54:27	susi	you can also give -h (help) flag with -D/Q/S/R/T/U/F, for example `pacman -Sh` to see valid flags with sync operations, etc
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2022-06-23 21:55:33	pulec	hi, how do I 'calibrate my battery'?
2022-06-23 21:55:45	pulec	so it says appropiate time left
2022-06-23 21:55:57	pulec	currently it shuts down maybe at 30-50% percent
2022-06-23 21:56:25	pulec	I think I have some bios option to do stuff
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2022-06-23 21:58:50	teraflops	try with a couple of charging cycles
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2022-06-24 06:19:24	thursdaylark	wapelo: is it every application, or just your browser?
2022-06-24 06:28:28	wapelo	thursdaylark: every application
2022-06-24 06:29:56	thursdaylark	wapelo: are you using just pulse, or have you moved to pipewire already?
2022-06-24 06:30:43	wapelo	I have the pipewire pkg installed, but I don't have any configuration files for it or anything as far as I can tell
2022-06-24 06:31:26	thursdaylark	can you paste the output of `systemctl --user list-sockets` to a paste service?
2022-06-24 06:32:31	wapelo	thursdaylark: https://pastebin.com/qsNSmims
2022-06-24 06:32:32	@EMIYA_	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oSc4.txt
2022-06-24 06:32:32	phrik	Title: LISTEN UNIT ACTIVATES - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-06-24 06:33:39	thursdaylark	ahh, so you have both at the moment... I bet they're fighting for control
2022-06-24 06:34:17	wapelo	I suspected that might be the case, so I tried to remove one.. but they're both dependencies for other packages on my system
2022-06-24 06:35:30	thursdaylark	pipewire is the new hotness, so I suggest installing pipewire-pulse and relogging. pacman will remove pulseaudio in the process, but pipewire-pulse emulates pulse so all your pulse things can talk pulse to pipewire.
2022-06-24 06:35:50	thursdaylark	pipewire-pulse also satisfies the dependencies on pulse, so two birds on that one :P
2022-06-24 06:37:10	thursdaylark	After relogging, you should see pipewire-pulse.socket replace pulseaudio.socket in the output of `systemctl --user list-sockets`
2022-06-24 06:37:26	thursdaylark	a la: https://paste.xinu.at/Tiy/
2022-06-24 06:37:33	wapelo	alright, I installed it. I have to restart so I'll be right back.
2022-06-24 06:40:47	wapelo	thursdaylark: that seems to have fixed it, thanks so much for the assistance!
2022-06-24 06:41:11	thursdaylark	np :)
2022-06-24 06:41:17	thursdaylark	!next
2022-06-24 06:41:17	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-06-24 06:41:27	wapelo	though, there seems to be a new problem now
2022-06-24 06:41:35	thursdaylark	!prev
2022-06-24 06:41:35	phrik	Another unsatisfied customer! PREV!
2022-06-24 06:42:05	wapelo	plasma-pa can't identify my sound now (even though the sound is working) and my volume buttons aren't doing anything
2022-06-24 06:43:58	thursdaylark	hrm... definitely shouldn't be doing that... Does pavucontrol have similar issues?
2022-06-24 06:45:21	wapelo	it just says "Establishing connection to PulseAudio. Please wait.."
2022-06-24 06:46:11	thursdaylark	hrm... this is while audio is already playing?
2022-06-24 06:46:22	wapelo	yes, interestingly
2022-06-24 06:48:10	thursdaylark	does `systemctl --user is-active pipewire.service` and `systemctl --user is-active pipewire-pulse.service` both return "active"?
2022-06-24 06:49:04	wapelo	ahh, the second returned inactive
2022-06-24 06:49:36	thursdaylark	huh... is pipewire-pulse.socket enabled?
2022-06-24 06:50:03	thursdaylark	`systemctl --user is-enabled pipewire-pulse.socket` should return "enabled"
2022-06-24 06:50:31	wapelo	yes, that returned enabled
2022-06-24 06:52:00	thursdaylark	What are you playing audio from? a browser?
2022-06-24 06:52:27	wapelo	I tried with browser as well as the "play" pkg, and both are working
2022-06-24 06:53:35	thursdaylark	This probably isn't the whole answer, but are you using pipewire-media-session, or wireplumber?
2022-06-24 06:54:00	thursdaylark	If not using wireplumber, I'd suggest switching to it.
2022-06-24 06:54:00	wapelo	wireplumber
2022-06-24 06:55:29	thursdaylark	out of curiosity, what was the reason for the reboot? Full upgrade when installing pipewire-pulse?
2022-06-24 06:55:54	wapelo	yes, I just did a full upgrade
2022-06-24 07:00:07	thurstylark	This shouldn't be the case, but does /etc/pipewire.conf exist on your system?
2022-06-24 07:00:12	thurstylark	oh, it's midnight :P
2022-06-24 07:00:28	⚡ 	thurstylark turns back into his normie form
2022-06-24 07:01:58	wapelo	it doesn't. but i do have /etc/pipewire/pipewire.conf.d
2022-06-24 07:08:16	thurstylark	what does `pactl info` return?
2022-06-24 07:09:08	wapelo	Connection failure: Connection refused
2022-06-24 07:09:08	wapelo	pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused
2022-06-24 07:10:28	thurstylark	Can you post the output of `systemctl --user status wireplumber.service` to a paste service
2022-06-24 07:11:32	wapelo	https://pastebin.com/JrNJtn9C
2022-06-24 07:11:33	@EMIYA_	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oScl.txt
2022-06-24 07:11:33	phrik	Title: wireplumber.service - Multimedia Service Session Manager Loaded: loaded (/ - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-06-24 07:14:52	thurstylark	hmm... I think I'm missing a piece of the puzzle troubleshooting-wise...
2022-06-24 07:15:19	wapelo	thurstylark: I think I just fixed it by running `systemctl --user restart pipewire-pulse`
2022-06-24 07:16:27	thurstylark	Oh, one more thing to check, do you have any pulseaudio config files in ~/.config/pulse/ or /etc/pulse/ ?
2022-06-24 07:17:28	wapelo	yes, I have client.conf in /etc/pulse/
2022-06-24 07:18:11	thurstylark	ah, that might be messing with things. nuke it or move it, relog, and see if the same symptoms persist
2022-06-24 07:18:50	wapelo	okay, relogging
2022-06-24 07:21:00	wapelo	thurstylark: it works now! thanks again!
2022-06-24 07:21:12	thurstylark	eyyyy, nice!
2022-06-24 07:21:21	⚡ 	thurstylark makes a note to check that first next time :P
2022-06-24 07:21:51	wapelo	!next
2022-06-24 07:21:52	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-06-24 07:22:09	thurstylark	\o/
2022-06-24 08:48:08	armin_	What's the story behind all these `-git` packages on aur? There's a `-git` for almost any package I search for and, what surprises me the most, it is almost always more outdated than the non-git package. Doesn't bother me really, but was wondering about this for a while
2022-06-24 08:48:33	lambda	armin_: it's not outdated, it always pulls the latest version off git
2022-06-24 08:48:56	lambda	the version shown on aurweb is just whatever the version was at when the package files themselves were last changed
2022-06-24 08:49:23	thurstylark	armin_: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_User_Repository#What_is_the_difference_between_foo_and_foo-git_packages?
2022-06-24 08:49:24	phrik	Title: Arch User Repository - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-24 08:49:34	armin_	Ah this makes total sense, thanks!
2022-06-24 08:51:55	thurstylark	and because of that, the pkgver as shown on aurweb is usually only changed when the packaging needs to be changed :P
2022-06-24 08:57:05	armin_	Yes it absolutely makes sense now actually. One of these things that seem so obvious after the fact XD
2022-06-24 09:06:05	thurstylark	obvious realizations is our specialty :D
2022-06-24 09:55:11	node1	Hi
2022-06-24 09:55:16	node1	Does anyone here used Fortinet40C ? I'm trying to make it as act like switch https://dpaste.com/8Q4QBM8TU.txt but failed to configure second  interface4
2022-06-24 10:41:29	ugubok	Does archlinux completely moved to pipewire? I see that many packages now depends on it
2022-06-24 10:46:30	jelle	ugubok: it is the future imo
2022-06-24 10:47:13	ugubok	I have my mic doesn't working on pipewire
2022-06-24 10:52:49	CarloWood	That must be one of the most broken english sentences I saw this year :p
2022-06-24 10:53:30	Warepire	Not everyone speaks english as a first language, and that is fine. We could still understand.
2022-06-24 10:54:09	CarloWood	I don't know if he doesn't speak english as first language.
2022-06-24 10:54:38	mpan	CarloWood: you did see little. And there is no point in shaming anyone.
2022-06-24 10:54:58	CarloWood	I am not shaming anyone - that would look very different.
2022-06-24 10:55:17	CarloWood	I was mainly wondering why he didn't correct himself after those typos.
2022-06-24 10:56:11	mpan	There is no point in discussing their language use. As long as it can be understood, at last, which is absolutely not a problem with a mistake as simple as that.
2022-06-24 10:56:38	CarloWood	So don't; I just make one remark... then people started to discuss it :/.
2022-06-24 10:57:01	mpan	No, we do not discuss their English use. We discuss your remark.
2022-06-24 10:57:20	CarloWood	Well, it was a fact.
2022-06-24 10:57:23	jelle	ugubok: what kind of microphone?
2022-06-24 10:57:25	Warepire	Which, if you're not fluent in English, can be quite hurtful.
2022-06-24 10:57:47	jelle	CarloWood: your remark is not helping the person in question
2022-06-24 10:57:49	CarloWood	Engels ook niet mijn moeders taal.
2022-06-24 10:58:03	CarloWood	is*
2022-06-24 10:58:35	ugubok	jelle: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 8086:0808 Intel Corp. USB PnP Sound Device
2022-06-24 10:58:48	ugubok	Just some cheap USB micro
2022-06-24 10:58:56	jelle	aha!
2022-06-24 10:59:00	CarloWood	ugubok: is English not your first language? Cause now I want to know :/
2022-06-24 10:59:14	ugubok	CarloWood: No, it doesn't
2022-06-24 10:59:17	CarloWood	ok
2022-06-24 10:59:38	CarloWood	I just thought you made typos and didn't correct them. Now I understand.
2022-06-24 11:00:31	jelle	ugubok: I have no experience with that sadly, but seems the wiki has some information https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#Microphone_is_not_detected_by_PipeWire
2022-06-24 11:00:31	ugubok	That's fine, I like negative-feedback learning style
2022-06-24 11:00:31	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-24 11:01:19	artefact	ugubok: what's the output of arecord -l ?
2022-06-24 11:02:05	ugubok	Let me just switch to pipewire from PA quick and I show you the error
2022-06-24 11:04:14	ugubok	Well... Pulseaudio just spawns again when I stop it
2022-06-24 11:04:29	ugubok	I'll remove it 
2022-06-24 11:05:06	CarloWood	Is pipewire a good replacement for jack?  Cause that's what I use for audio wiring; initially with the desire to have extreme low latency for my microphone (as well as all kind of morphing tools that you just can't find anywhere else)
2022-06-24 11:05:19	artefact	yes, very good
2022-06-24 11:05:31	artefact	all your jack tools/utilies keep working just the same, it's an easy transition
2022-06-24 11:06:38	CarloWood	I hope there is, or will be, one of those excellent Arch wiki pages that explains how to do that transition :/.
2022-06-24 11:08:42	artefact	i transitioned fairly painlessly. and my audio setup is janky as f*ck
2022-06-24 11:08:47	ugubok	!paste
2022-06-24 11:08:47	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-06-24 11:10:24	artefact	i used to just use pure alsa with alsaimpulse+alsaloudness, and only ran jack when needed
2022-06-24 11:10:24	ugubok	artefact: https://paste.rs/1t9
2022-06-24 11:10:38	artefact	but pipewire is simpler and actually more resource efficient
2022-06-24 11:11:13	artefact	ugubok: ok, that's a good sign, the microphone should show up in pavucontrol, you just need to unmute/set it as fallback in the gui
2022-06-24 11:13:52	ugubok	Okay, there is an error https://paste.rs/A3n
2022-06-24 11:14:11	ugubok	It was on my laptop too
2022-06-24 11:14:22	ugubok	With this specific microphone
2022-06-24 11:14:46	CarloWood	Since my last reboot Google calendar stopped making a sound; it's super annoying they don't have a test button for that.  What often happens is that it is routed to the wrong audio output, or the volume is at zero - but even if you have 'Volume Control' open, the controls for a short sound only appear very shortly and normally I miss it :/.  
2022-06-24 11:15:15	ugubok	I think it is related to sample rate
2022-06-24 11:15:59	ugubok	Also this is in dmesg [Fri Jun 24 14:15:13 2022] usb 1-1.6: cannot submit urb 0, error -28: not enough bandwidth
2022-06-24 11:16:18	artefact	that is strange. is it plugged in a usb2 port?
2022-06-24 11:16:22	ugubok	Yep
2022-06-24 11:16:28	artefact	are you sure? try lsusb -vv
2022-06-24 11:16:39	ugubok	I am sure as my thinkpad x220 doesn't have USB 3.0 ports
2022-06-24 11:16:48	ugubok	And this PC as well
2022-06-24 11:18:31	artefact	can you record with arecord (without pipewire or pulseaudio) ? it may be a driver issue in alsa
2022-06-24 11:19:42	ugubok	I'll try. This mic is working well in pulseaudio
2022-06-24 11:19:57	artefact	oh, ok, never mind then
2022-06-24 11:20:30	artefact	maybe report the issue on the pipewire issue tracker https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/issues or seek help in #pipewire on OFTC
2022-06-24 11:20:31	phrik	Title: Issues · PipeWire / pipewire · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2022-06-24 11:20:48	ugubok	Ok, I'll do that. Thank you
2022-06-24 11:22:40	ugubok	But first I should play with sample rate and etc. Last time I tried, I didn't figure out how to do that
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2022-06-24 13:13:12	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1438 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1437 normals)
2022-06-24 13:04:07	CarloWood	Well, it's official... Google calendar doesn't work. It stopped giving me notifications :/.
2022-06-24 13:04:21	CarloWood	Is there another calendar app for Arch?
2022-06-24 13:05:34	Namarrgon	s/Arch/linux/
2022-06-24 13:05:42	CarloWood	That would work.
2022-06-24 13:05:55	_________	CarloWood: cal
2022-06-24 13:06:30	lambda	CarloWood: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications/Other#Time_management
2022-06-24 13:06:31	phrik	Title: List of applications/Other - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-24 13:08:48	dharrigan	A question that I asked in another channel that I wonder if I can learn what the best course of action is. If there is a community package that has been flagged out of date for nearly 1 month and after a two week timeout from emailing the current maintainer with no reply, is there a process for requesting a TU to look at eventually?
2022-06-24 13:12:00	Namarrgon	there's no procedure for this, you just make a lot of noise and update it locally for now
2022-06-24 13:12:23	dharrigan	Thank you. Would this be an appropriate channel to make noise :-)
2022-06-24 13:12:25	Namarrgon	if, beyond being outdated, there are bugs then you can file bugreports
2022-06-24 13:13:15	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-24 13:13:50	lambda	dharrigan: yosys has been out of date for four months now, to the point where debian is more up to date than Arch
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2022-06-24 13:14:04	dharrigan	:-)
2022-06-24 13:14:05	lambda	no idea if Filipe is still alive
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2022-06-24 13:14:47	dharrigan	I'm keen on not being a nusiance, so didn't want to ask in an inappropriate place. In future, I can ask here to raise awareness. Thank you :-)
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2022-06-24 20:17:12	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1440 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1439 normals)
2022-06-24 16:31:24	NetSysFire	Namarrgon: why is /cs set url unset for this channel?
2022-06-24 16:31:51	Namarrgon	lazy ops, as usual
2022-06-24 16:36:09	NetSysFire	tyranny! you still use your power to ban people but dont set stuff like this!11 :p
2022-06-24 16:39:39	CarloWood	why oh why can't you draw straight arrows with gimp? :/
2022-06-24 17:08:10	CubeTheThird	iirc you press either ctrl or shift to draw straight lines
2022-06-24 17:09:49	lawliet	Guys, is VLC broken? I can't see the bar too to move around in the videos in full screen mode. Is there a good alternative? 
2022-06-24 17:10:12	NetSysFire	if you downgrade vlc, is the problem gone?
2022-06-24 17:10:18	NetSysFire	if yes, you found a regression
2022-06-24 17:11:20	lawliet	Well it's been like this for months
2022-06-24 17:11:34	lawliet	Even after reinstallation of Arch (Ofc I didn't reinstall for VLC)
2022-06-24 17:12:30	CubeTheThird	maybe try resetting your VLC preferences? I've never had that issue
2022-06-24 17:12:45	NetSysFire	they said it persists after reinstallation but hmm
2022-06-24 17:12:56	NetSysFire	there are two possible things you can do here: debug why vlc changed that behavior or switch to another media player. the former will potentially require much more effort
2022-06-24 17:12:58	lawliet	Everything is default 
2022-06-24 17:13:20	lawliet	I don't mind switching at all
2022-06-24 17:13:41	CubeTheThird	Out of curiosity, what WM/DE and graphics drivers are you using?
2022-06-24 17:13:44	NetSysFire	debugging why vlc changed that behavior may also uncover a bug
2022-06-24 17:14:08	CarloWood	CubeTheThird: I installed a plugin :) https://gyazo.com/49751fbe2edab521af479f0ff89d4cbc
2022-06-24 17:14:09	phrik	Title: Screenshot - 49751fbe2edab521af479f0ff89d4cbc - Gyazo (at gyazo.com)
2022-06-24 17:14:10	lawliet	Qtile and ATI
2022-06-24 17:14:38	NetSysFire	ati or amd?
2022-06-24 17:15:09	lawliet	Well the driver is named ATI for my AMD cpu on the archwiki
2022-06-24 17:15:20	CubeTheThird	CarloWood, dayum those be some nice looking arrows
2022-06-24 17:15:44	CarloWood	CubeTheThird: https://www.gimp-forum.net/Thread-Arrow-Script?pid=1401#pid1401
2022-06-24 17:15:45	phrik	Title: Arrow Script (at www.gimp-forum.net)
2022-06-24 17:16:07	lawliet	I would like to debug it, but I've never tried any sorts of debugging before
2022-06-24 17:16:49	NetSysFire	alright
2022-06-24 17:17:21	NetSysFire	when you reinstalled arch, what data did you restore? just making sure you didnt restore any config or cache dir for vlc
2022-06-24 17:18:54	NetSysFire	i would also check out https://code.videolan.org/videolan/vlc/-/issues/?search=fullscreen&sort=created_date&state=opened
2022-06-24 17:18:56	phrik	Title: Issues · VideoLAN / VLC · GitLab (at code.videolan.org)
2022-06-24 17:36:59	kek_	hi, is there a wiki article about 2 monitors with different dpi?
2022-06-24 17:44:27	lawliet	NetSysFire Only the qtile config 
2022-06-24 17:46:27	lod	kek
2022-06-24 17:46:51	NetSysFire	lawliet: see if there is any issue that fits your description
2022-06-24 17:47:03	lawliet	Yes I checked. I see none
2022-06-24 17:48:06	NetSysFire	build vlc from git so you can be sure that it isnt fixed already and if it still persists open an issue
2022-06-24 17:49:03	lawliet	Oh sure
2022-06-24 17:49:26	Namarrgon	kek_: support heavily depends on whether you use x11 or wayland and in the latter case on which compositor you're using
2022-06-24 17:49:49	lawliet	I'll have it compile on side, but while that happens can you suggest an alternative for a while? 
2022-06-24 17:50:24	lawliet	I wanna watch a series :) 
2022-06-24 17:50:31	NetSysFire	mpv
2022-06-24 17:50:37	NetSysFire	!give lawliet aw list of applications/multimedia
2022-06-24 17:50:38	phrik	lawliet: List of applications/Multimedia - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications/Multimedia
2022-06-24 17:50:41	kek_	Namarrgon, I currently solved it with --scale flag on xrandr. I'm on X11 atm and I've read that with wayland this problem might be easier to solve but in general, there were several approaches. Hoped there's some nice article goin over everything. Maybe I just check out wayland too.
2022-06-24 17:50:59	lawliet	Thanks
2022-06-24 17:51:31	NetSysFire	theres plenty of media players but mpv is pretty nice. but there is of course also mplayer and stuff
2022-06-24 17:53:49	lawliet	Oh.. I seem to already have mpv lol. I don't recall installing it 
2022-06-24 18:00:48	mingdao	Probably a lame question, but did Arch create /home/mingdao/dotfiles with some application, or did I?  `history|grep dotfiles` doesn't return any `mkdir dotfiles` entry.
2022-06-24 18:01:13	BrainDamage	no package in arch should touch home
2022-06-24 18:01:29	BrainDamage	that being said, an installed program, that you ran, may do it
2022-06-24 18:01:43	BrainDamage	so not pacman directly, but something you installed could
2022-06-24 18:01:44	mingdao	`pacman -Fy dotfiles` didn't yield anything, either
2022-06-24 18:02:00	mingdao	Yeah, that's what I figured; just can't seem to find out what/why.
2022-06-24 18:02:53	mingdao	Only one of my Arch computers has it, also.
2022-06-24 18:02:56	BrainDamage	you could try to see which program accesses it
2022-06-24 18:05:10	krumelmonster	new install: any arguments against LUKS2 for arch full disk encryption? I'm reading some recommendations to stick with LUKS1 but I think they may be outdated (e.g. apparently grub now supports luks2)
2022-06-24 18:05:17	mingdao	How?  `journalctl -b -0|grep dotfiles` only yields my searches.
2022-06-24 18:06:03	frostschutz	krumelmonster, it does not, but it doesn't matter with unencrypted /boot
2022-06-24 18:06:10	krumelmonster	mingdao: Are you running journalctl as root? (you probably should)
2022-06-24 18:06:30	NetSysFire	you shouldnt
2022-06-24 18:06:38	NetSysFire	being in the adm group suffices
2022-06-24 18:06:44	mingdao	krumelmonster: didn't but will
2022-06-24 18:07:04	mingdao	krumelmonster: same results
2022-06-24 18:07:58	krumelmonster	frostschutz: Then why not just stick with luks1?
2022-06-24 18:08:09	mingdao	krumelmonster: https://0x0.st/oSak.txt
2022-06-24 18:10:47	frostschutz	krumelmonster, you can do that, if you like... luks2 has some interesting new features, but the encryption itself is the same - you can even convert between luks1 and luks2 headers without re-encrypting
2022-06-24 18:15:05	frostschutz	krumelmonster, so you can always change this later, as long as you don't use luks2 specific features (like integrity)
2022-06-24 19:05:58	artefact	luks2 defaults, aiui, to much better pbkdf
2022-06-24 19:06:37	artefact	the default header is huge but you can reduce it if you don't plan on using many keyslots
2022-06-24 19:10:34	susi	I'm not in adm group and have never used journalctl with su rights
2022-06-24 19:14:24	susi	oh, >Members of the groups "systemd-journal", "adm", and "wheel" can read all journal files. 
2022-06-24 19:14:33	susi	I'm member of wheel, so that's it
2022-06-24 19:44:30	chipps	hey peeps I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but I installed a wm without a de on xorg, and I'm not sure what controls the screen-going-blank-after-x-seconds-of-inactivity thing. It's still kicking in when I'm watching a video and it sucks
2022-06-24 19:45:09	NetSysFire	it should be xorg
2022-06-24 19:45:27	Namarrgon	dpms is enabled out of the box, you can try to disable it with xset and see if that's it
2022-06-24 19:45:38	NetSysFire	what do you watch a video in? some applications keep the screen awake when a video is being played
2022-06-24 19:46:16	mefistofeles	https://shallowsky.com/linux/x-screen-blanking.html this seems relevant
2022-06-24 19:46:18	phrik	Title: Screen Blanking Under X (at shallowsky.com)
2022-06-24 19:47:43	chipps	NetSysFire: right, I'm using firefox to watch youtube right now. If I disable dpms, the screen doesn't go blank at all, so that's not nice
2022-06-24 19:47:52	gehidore	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Display_Power_Management_Signaling
2022-06-24 19:47:53	phrik	Title: Display Power Management Signaling - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-24 19:48:30	artefact	firefox does disable the screensaver/dpms when watching videos, at least fullscreen youtube does
2022-06-24 19:48:42	NetSysFire	i bet theres also a config setting for this
2022-06-24 19:50:21	chipps	artefact: right, that's what I thought. This was never an issue before, just this time
2022-06-24 20:08:52	chipps	oh wow it's working again on firefox and mpv. Some issues with qutebrowser, but seems to be a Qt problem. Thanks a bunch!
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2022-06-24 20:51:19	mizu	gehidore: ahhh noooo :(
2022-06-24 20:52:59	gehidore	but really you could have this done in ~5 minutes
2022-06-24 20:54:09	gehidore	figure your udev trigger using `udevadm monitor` and write your rule and test it with a basic logger test
2022-06-24 20:54:21	gehidore	then write your xrandr command and dump it in the script
2022-06-24 20:55:14	gehidore	write your disconnect xrandr command and tie that to a shortcut or key in your wm/de
2022-06-24 20:55:39	mizu	gehidore: hmm i'll try that tomorrow, thanks for the pointers!
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2022-06-24 20:56:49	gehidore	you can tie it to udev disconnect but I found it to result most of the time in glitches that required a manual invocation of xrandr again to recover missing desktops, even tried sleeping the commands and that still often just caused loss of desktop content or an entire crash
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2022-06-24 20:57:21	gehidore	I was using display link devices which added more probability for crash
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2022-06-24 20:57:50	blackop	hi there
2022-06-24 20:58:01	blackop	is it true that arch dudes now developing LXDE?
2022-06-24 20:58:01	gehidore	hello.
2022-06-24 20:58:42	susi	mizu: https://0x0.st/omO-.txt here's my script doing about that
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2022-06-24 20:59:58	mizu	susi: you're the best!
2022-06-24 20:59:59	susi	except this must be triggered manually, but that's how I want it
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2022-06-24 21:02:00	mizu	susi: i'll map it to a keybind after trying it out, afk atm will let you know if it worked out
2022-06-24 21:02:31	susi	mizu: that's a zsh function, I don't know if bash arrays work in similar fashion; I use that to toggle the display/audio between tv/laptop when the cable is connected
2022-06-24 21:03:41	susi	but the idea is simple enough
2022-06-24 21:06:10	susi	mizu: you most likely can't just copy that without modifying to your shell/configuration, but maybe you could use it as a reference
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2022-06-24 21:11:51	Biswa96	Is it possible to provide sdl_test lib in sdl2 package? Required by this https://github.com/libsdl-org/SDL_net/blob/main/Makefile.am#L53
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2022-06-24 21:47:22	blackop	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/LXDE
2022-06-24 21:47:23	phrik	Title: LXDE - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-24 21:47:34	blackop	i wonder what will happen about LXDE future
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2022-06-24 21:48:30	teraflops	phrik: what will happen to lxde in the future?
2022-06-24 21:48:31	phrik	teraflops: No idea
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2022-06-24 21:49:17	blackop	noone knows?
2022-06-24 21:49:20	blackop	is it dead or not?
2022-06-24 21:49:36	teraflops	check upstream
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2022-06-24 21:50:40	blackop	latest update was last year
2022-06-24 21:51:02	blackop	but original devs left in 2013 so for 8 years somebody should maintain it
2022-06-24 21:51:28	teraflops	it either is near perfection so it does not need any improvement or it's already dead xD
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2022-06-24 21:51:57	mizu	susi: gotcha
2022-06-24 21:52:32	mefistofeles	Hi, what's the main difference between nvidia and nvidia-open drivers? Or where could I check this?
2022-06-24 21:54:12	mefistofeles	s/drivers/packages
2022-06-24 21:54:14	blackop	teraflops: openbox is considered as completed
2022-06-24 21:54:17	blackop	no idea about lxde
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2022-06-24 21:57:31	edgy2022	mefistofeles: my understanding is nvidia-open is the open source version of the nvidia driver
2022-06-24 21:57:47	edgy2022	mefistofeles: it's not yet complete or else they would remove nvidia
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2022-06-24 21:58:32	mefistofeles	edgy2022: yeah, true, I guess I'm wondering what may I lose by choosing to use `nvidia-open` instead of `nvidia`
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2022-06-24 21:59:24	mizu	nvidia-open is only for turing series or newer https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA
2022-06-24 21:59:25	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-24 21:59:53	edgy2022	mefistofeles: I tried it the same day it's out and it didn't work on my system, then I discovered my gpu is not supported yet
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2022-06-24 22:00:02	edgy2022	feetwind: as mizu said
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2022-06-24 22:00:23	mefistofeles	edgy2022: oh, what GPU is that?
2022-06-24 22:00:31	mefistofeles	oh okay, I see
2022-06-24 22:00:41	edgy2022	mefistofeles: mine is gtx 1060
2022-06-24 22:00:53	mefistofeles	ah okay, yeah, I don't think that will be supported
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2022-06-24 22:01:16	mefistofeles	so is it okay to think the only difference is that? Because I do a lot of CUDA stuff and I don't want to be facing issues with it
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2022-06-24 22:01:34	edgy2022	mefistofeles: now the question should I upgrade to a newer nvidia or just go amd. I don't know yet
2022-06-24 22:01:37	mefistofeles	but also, since `nvidia` is failing with the recent kernel versions, I'm considering changing to nvidia-open (which doesn't seem to have the issue)
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2022-06-24 22:01:55	mefistofeles	edgy2022: I guess you can stick with that and use the legacy drivers
2022-06-24 22:02:10	mefistofeles	I mean, you don't even need the legacy drivers now, but when that happens
2022-06-24 22:02:27	edgy2022	mefistofeles: I want to upgrade my laptop in all cases
2022-06-24 22:02:44	mefistofeles	ah okay, well, that depends. I need nvidia for my stuff
2022-06-24 22:02:51	mefistofeles	so for me amd is not even an option
2022-06-24 22:02:54	edgy2022	mefistofeles: cuda or wha?
2022-06-24 22:02:56	mefistofeles	yes, cuda
2022-06-24 22:04:14	edgy2022	mefistofeles: for what application?
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2022-06-24 22:05:48	mefistofeles	edgy2022: computer simulations, biophysics
2022-06-24 22:05:59	mefistofeles	and also machine learning stuff
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2022-06-24 22:06:19	edgy2022	mefistofeles: amd and intel has nothing similar, right?
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2022-06-24 22:07:13	mefistofeles	edgy2022: they do have similar things, there's OpenCL and amd's ROCm, but they are not a full alternative
2022-06-24 22:07:24	mefistofeles	the CUDA toolkit is pretty optimized and complete
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2022-06-25 14:34:29	jkc	!anyone
2022-06-25 14:34:30	phrik	Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2022-06-25 14:36:23	nortega	Sorry, should've been more explicit.
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2022-06-25 14:37:19	nortega	Basically, ever since I've started using pipewire it's had a fade-in thing any time I start playing audio. This hasn't been too annoying until recently where I think it's messing with my guitarix setup.
2022-06-25 14:37:56	nortega	The volume keeps going up and down.
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2022-06-25 14:55:40	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-06-25 14:56:20	zbe	!paste
2022-06-25 14:56:20	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-06-25 14:56:53	zbe	!ix
2022-06-25 14:56:53	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-06-25 14:56:55	zbe	!rs
2022-06-25 14:56:55	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
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2022-06-25 14:57:44	nortega	There's nothing to paste. This doesn't seem to technically be an error, but a "feature".
2022-06-25 14:58:13	nortega	What I'm having trouble doing is figuring out where this fade-in stuff is configured.
2022-06-25 14:58:15	zbe	Ah no, i just needed it for other channel
2022-06-25 14:58:16	zbe	:P
2022-06-25 14:58:21	nortega	Ah, ok.
2022-06-25 14:58:27	nortega	Sorry, then.
2022-06-25 14:58:49	zbe	Yeah sorry, no idea about fade-in =)
2022-06-25 14:58:51	teraflops	nortega: take a look at https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/issues/1753
2022-06-25 14:58:53	phrik	Title: Option to disable fade-in on playback start (#1753) · Issues · PipeWire / pipewire · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2022-06-25 14:59:02	teraflops	seems to be related to powersaving
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2022-06-25 15:03:13	moha	In our design, users are only allowed to access their machines from a SSh server  (at first, they login to the ssh server, then they ssh to their servers); We want to log users activities, both commands they run and what they change in config files; Do you know any solution to log them from our ssh server?
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2022-06-25 15:08:12	mpan	Your central SSH server just sees a stream of bytes. If they don’t have root access on the target servers, use auditd.
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2022-06-25 15:08:54	mpan	(on the target servers that is)
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2022-06-25 15:09:25	moha	they have root access as they are the service owner
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2022-06-25 15:10:26	teraflops	then you should warn them in ssh motd (I guess)
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2022-06-25 15:11:52	nortega	teraflops: Thanks. I'll check to see if it works in a sec.
2022-06-25 15:12:36	moha	by this script https://p.teknik.io/NFXLJ I can log commands per user, but looking for a solution to log changes too; Years a go, a tool called rootsh was able to log all things well, but it's no longer under development!
2022-06-25 15:12:38	phrik	Title: Untitled Paste | Teknik (at p.teknik.io)
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2022-06-25 15:28:43	nortega	teraflops: Seems to have worked. Thanks!
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2022-06-25 15:28:49	teraflops	nice
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2022-06-25 15:29:53	teraflops	I never heard of guitarix, right now I'm using reaper through wine (because plugins)
2022-06-25 15:29:53	nijj	I want to compress the (disk) size of some blackboard photos programmatically. There are `jpegoptim` out there, but the efficiency isn't as good as taking screenshots manually using `scrot`.
2022-06-25 15:30:31	nijj	Any idea how I can automate manual screenshotting procedure?
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2022-06-25 15:31:16	teraflops	DE usually have a dedicated application and keybind for such purposes
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2022-06-25 15:31:58	teraflops	if not create a simple script and associate it to a keybind in your DE/WM
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2022-06-25 15:32:15	nijj	teraflops:  is  it for me?
2022-06-25 15:32:24	teraflops	it is, yes
2022-06-25 15:32:34	teraflops	unless you are asking for a script to do that
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2022-06-25 15:33:06	nijj	IIRC there is a program that automates tasks one can do in X, such as moving the cursor, waiting for n seconds, etc..
2022-06-25 15:33:23	nijj	But I forget what that program is.
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2022-06-25 15:34:00	nijj	(I need to have the photo displayed on my monitor before I take a screenshot.)
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2022-06-25 15:34:07	teraflops	which DE if any are you using?
2022-06-25 15:34:14	nijj	I'm using stumpwm. No DE.
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2022-06-25 15:37:02	teraflops	hmm I do it in macos but you get the idea, just changing the app to take the actual screenshot https://paste.priet.us/xuww/
2022-06-25 15:38:17	nijj	what does `screencapture` do?
2022-06-25 15:38:35	teraflops	take a screenshot and -i is to select the zone you want
2022-06-25 15:38:46	teraflops	to take a^
2022-06-25 15:39:20	teraflops	you can use there scot grimm imagemagick or whatever I guess
2022-06-25 15:39:24	nijj	How do I use this script to compress the existing blackboard photos?
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2022-06-25 15:39:43	teraflops	that's an idea, I think you have to add that
2022-06-25 15:39:52	nijj	kk, lemme think. Thanks :)
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2022-06-25 17:08:14	killown	docker has no internet connection on archlinux, then I installed ubuntu server in a virtual machine, then docker, and now working... omg
2022-06-25 17:08:14	killown	any docker container will fail in my archlinux setup
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2022-06-25 17:09:50	wooparadog	you can always use --network host
2022-06-25 17:10:21	wooparadog	if that works, you can go on debug your network stack, it's fun
2022-06-25 17:10:54	wooparadog	well..that's a easily mentioned nick..
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2022-06-25 17:21:44	ℹ 	vxwarlock es conocido ahora como vx_wan
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2022-06-25 17:23:20	killown	wooparadog, ok but I give up
2022-06-25 17:23:42	killown	archlinux is awful for server stuff and excellent as a desktop
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2022-06-25 17:26:22	ChrisWarrick	killown: what kind of weird network setup do you have?
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2022-06-25 17:26:48	killown	nothing, just pure, basic one, even with disabled ufw this will refuse to work
2022-06-25 17:27:31	ChrisWarrick	pure and basic?
2022-06-25 17:27:36	wooparadog	!aw systemd-networkd 
2022-06-25 17:27:38	phrik	wooparadog: Systemd-networkd - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-networkd
2022-06-25 17:27:58	⚡ 	ChrisWarrick never had any issues with docker and networkmanager, on any OS
2022-06-25 17:28:01	teraflops	pure? 
2022-06-25 17:28:14	⚡ 	wooparadog I'm using systemd-networkd and it's all ok.
2022-06-25 17:28:56	teraflops	same here I run 2 archh linux server one w/ docker and the other one w/ kubernetes
2022-06-25 17:29:06	teraflops	and NM that's it
2022-06-25 17:29:09	⚡ 	wooparadog and I'm even running my router on arch, who said it's not good for server
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2022-06-25 17:31:05	zbe	Any suggestion, what is the most sane way to run apps in a VRF with 'ip vrf exec' as a regular user?
2022-06-25 17:31:08	killown	the fact that virtualbox network is working just proves there is nothing weird going on in the nertwork..
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2022-06-25 17:31:46	jelle	killown: not really
2022-06-25 17:32:25	another|	zbe: does the application support binding to an interface?
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2022-06-25 17:34:02	zbe	another|, well vrf wouldn't be needed then i guess? I'm just trying to find a way for any kind of app/command, ie. from ping to firefox
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2022-06-25 17:34:57	another|	err.. what?
2022-06-25 17:35:19	zbe	=)
2022-06-25 17:35:20	another|	not sure you have understood the concept
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2022-06-25 17:36:21	zbe	Trying to pick and choose between 2 internet connections
2022-06-25 17:37:03	zbe	And doing it directly on system, putting 1 in a vrf makes most sense to me.
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2022-06-25 17:40:36	zbe	Example: you use usb tethering via phone, and only want to run firefox over that connection
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2022-06-25 17:41:02	another|	you could call sudo -u foobar baz
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2022-06-25 17:43:06	another|	make sure to thoroughly test it. IME vrf can work in unintended ways
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2022-06-25 17:44:06	zbe	ip vrf exec needs root permissions or CAP_NET_ADMIN, CAP_SYS_ADMIN and CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE capabilities, apparently.
2022-06-25 17:44:15	zbe	Yeah dw I'm just testing it for the fun of it :P
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2022-06-25 17:45:22	zbe	I can run firefox with 'sudo ip vrf exec vrf0 runuser -u "$USER" firefox' but that looks retarded to me :p
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2022-06-25 17:52:15	zbe	And I can't think of any other way to route apps diferently; either with VRFs, marking packets in iptables with -m owner --gid-owner and then running apps as that group, or using firejail or somethig to bind it to specific interface. Thought there was easier, less hacky, way.
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2022-06-25 17:54:27	ℹ 	money es conocido ahora como Polo
2022-06-25 17:54:47	ℹ 	Polo es conocido ahora como money
2022-06-25 17:54:49	ℹ 	money es conocido ahora como polo
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2022-06-25 18:22:19	mizu	is hardware acceleration on firefox broken?
2022-06-25 18:22:29	mizu	X11 with intel graphics
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2022-06-25 18:32:30	colo	mizu, I am not aware of any problems. which do you experience?
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2022-06-25 18:34:53	mizu	just read the wiki, looks like rdd sandbox must be disabled, used to work without that iirc
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2022-06-25 18:38:32	mizu	colo: tried monitoring intel_gpu_top with a random yt vid and there's no hardware accel, i could hear my fans running on a 4k video which i usually don't so i knew something was off
2022-06-25 18:38:46	colo	ah, I see
2022-06-25 18:39:04	colo	all my intel iGPU machines are fanless x)
2022-06-25 18:39:31	colo	so maybe I should check for a missed opportunity there, too
2022-06-25 18:39:32	mizu	oh well i have nvidia dGPU but i keep it powered off to save battery
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2022-06-25 19:17:55	MrElendig	test with a new user
2022-06-25 19:18:26	MrElendig	my guess would be that there is some program that is slow to respond to the request to close
2022-06-25 19:19:28	MrElendig	if its still slow with a new user, disable the services/apps in the session one by one and see if one of them fixes it
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2022-06-25 19:21:47	river	oh good idea ty!
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2022-06-25 19:23:02	MrElendig	also journalctl --boot=-1 -r:
2022-06-25 19:23:07	MrElendig	without the :
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2022-06-25 19:35:56	tyler	Yesterday i was using kodi with pvr IPTVSimple with no issue. Today kodi has been updated and crashes after launch in 1 second...
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2022-06-25 19:37:45	tyler	Regarding logfile everything is fine...the IPTVSimple addon also launching... Any idea?
2022-06-25 19:37:47	ℹ 	tam1m_ es conocido ahora como tam1m
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2022-06-25 20:13:20	tyler	Where are AUR packages stored? i think i have to downgrade iptv-simple kodi addon
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2022-06-25 20:14:11	mpan	tyler: where you placed them. It’s you who build the packages and it’s up to you to decide what you do with a built one.
2022-06-25 20:14:13	mefistofeles	tyler: if you are using an AUR helper it depends on that, if not, then you should be manually downloading them to some location so you should know where :)
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2022-06-25 20:18:01	mpan	tyler: makepkg stores packages it builds in the same directory as PKGBUILD, unless you changed the relevant options in “makepkg.conf”. Note that it has nothing to do with AUR, as nothing in Arch has a slightest idea about AUR.
2022-06-25 20:18:33	tyler	mefisto: thanks. i was using paru to install it. so i have found it on USER/.cache/paru/clone/kodi-iptv-sample-addon   but only the new one is there...
2022-06-25 20:19:03	mpan	You may always build from an older PKGBUILD.
2022-06-25 20:19:24	tyler	mpan: where?
2022-06-25 20:19:33	mpan	“Where”?
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2022-06-25 20:21:50	Baphomet	Hello there... I just noticed my nouveau driver isn't loading automatically, even though it's listed on mkinitcpio.conf
2022-06-25 20:22:00	Baphomet	Here's the MODULES line: MODULES="nouveau crc32c-intel intel_agp i915 ext4"
2022-06-25 20:22:13	MrElendig	optimus?
2022-06-25 20:22:32	Baphomet	I'm not sure, I'm a total noob about graphics cards these days... 
2022-06-25 20:22:47	MrElendig	wait intel_agp? is this some 200 year old hardware0
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2022-06-25 20:23:14	Baphomet	I can't remember why I listed it there TBH, it's a... Wait...
2022-06-25 20:23:36	Baphomet	00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 630 (rev 04)
2022-06-25 20:23:59	Baphomet	Is a 2019 computer considered 200 years old at our current pace of hardware evolution?
2022-06-25 20:24:11	MrElendig	laptop? and which nvidia card is this?
2022-06-25 20:24:22	Baphomet	01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GP107M [GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Mobile] (rev a1)
2022-06-25 20:24:25	Baphomet	This one
2022-06-25 20:24:32	MrElendig	and why do you have ext4 in there?
2022-06-25 20:24:54	Baphomet	I had problems, then I found out the problem but forgot to remove it LOL
2022-06-25 20:25:04	Baphomet	I'll do it right now, by the way
2022-06-25 20:25:05	MrElendig	so its optimus, why do you want nouveau in the early initrd?
2022-06-25 20:25:42	mpan	tyler: I don’t really get the question, but… you may build it wherever you want.
2022-06-25 20:25:52	mpan	makepkg doesn’t care.
2022-06-25 20:25:59	Baphomet	MrElendig: maybe I don't, I'm not sure
2022-06-25 20:26:09	Baphomet	Don't I need it? 
2022-06-25 20:26:14	MrElendig	most likely not
2022-06-25 20:26:27	MrElendig	also, nouveau is pretty damn bad for the 1050ti
2022-06-25 20:26:33	Baphomet	I think I was in hope the driver would support framebuffer scrollback by the time I installed my system
2022-06-25 20:26:35	another|	intel agp?
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2022-06-25 20:27:07	MrElendig	the intel chip is probably the one actually wired up to the internal screen
2022-06-25 20:27:12	Baphomet	MrElendig: I'm aware, problem is, with the nvidia driver it crashes when I connect my second display on wayland
2022-06-25 20:27:41	another|	is that for... agp bus?
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2022-06-25 20:28:06	HuntsMan	another|: it is
2022-06-25 20:28:21	Baphomet	modinfo doesn't say much
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2022-06-25 20:28:54	Baphomet	But I think it's fair to assume it's unnecessary judging by your surprise?
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2022-06-25 20:29:22	tyler	mpan: sorry, i am not really an expert to build package thats why confused. always use paru to update or install AUR. Thats why i am confused about PKGBUILD
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2022-06-25 20:30:28	tyler	i have an PKGBUILD file...but i dont know that to do with that to get my previous version of that AUR package...
2022-06-25 20:30:32	◣	kts (~kts@103.73.237.216) ha salido (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2022-06-25 20:30:38	Baphomet	tyler: you go to the AUR website and clone the repository of the package 
2022-06-25 20:30:47	another|	jeebus. haven't seen agp since ... 14y ?
2022-06-25 20:30:56	another|	even then it was outdated
2022-06-25 20:30:58	mpan	tyler: ok. Then please: 1) remove paru. 2) read <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_User_Repository> and learn how to build packages. 3) Do not touch any AUR helper until you learn and understand that.
2022-06-25 20:30:59	phrik	Title: Arch User Repository - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-25 20:31:05	Baphomet	Then you use git to switch to the tag of the intended version 
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2022-06-25 20:31:26	Baphomet	Once you do that, all you need is to enter the repository directory and run makepkg
2022-06-25 20:31:40	mpan	tyler: the PKGBUILD of older versions be obtained either by `git checkout` and chosing the right commit, or by downloading it directly from the AUR website.
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2022-06-25 20:31:53	tyler	Baphomet: that is fine but that one also updated...
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2022-06-25 20:32:08	tyler	Ok. Thanks guys. I will try then.
2022-06-25 20:32:27	mpan	tyler: there is a “view changes” link, which lets you browse the repository and, for a given commit, you may select “tree” (above) and get access to the snapshot at the given time.
2022-06-25 20:32:48	tyler	mpan: Ah, okay. Thanks
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2022-06-25 20:45:21	Baphomet	What would be the proper way of making sure a module is loaded? 
2022-06-25 20:46:19	Baphomet	My nouveau driver isn't loading automatically, but I do not have nvidia drivers or anything that might be on the way 
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2022-06-26 07:31:27	psyvenrix	I am having a slow moment, which of the two lines from https://pastebin.com/scy86akS do i take and munge into a number that i feed to debugfs (ext4) to figure out what got stomped?
2022-06-26 07:31:28	@EMIYA_	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oSLf.txt
2022-06-26 07:31:28	phrik	Title: sample dmesg from system with a failing hdd - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-06-26 07:32:01	psyvenrix	!paste
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2022-06-26 07:46:48	tirnanog	psyvenrix: probably the logical block because it's relative to sdc1 - the block device that actually contains your filesystem.
2022-06-26 07:47:04	tirnanog	sdb1, rather.
2022-06-26 07:53:13	psyvenrix	tirnanog: thanks. i get block in use from testb but <block not found> from icheck (both in debugfs). that means either journal or core fs metadata , unless i've misread the wiki
2022-06-26 07:53:53	tirnanog	psyvenrix: I don't know about this debugfs interface but did you remember to multiply the logical block number by the reported device blocksize?
2022-06-26 07:54:35	psyvenrix	no, although that is odd since when i issue testb 2319 i see more of those I/O errors in the dmesg output, suggesting i dont need to do that
2022-06-26 07:55:00	psyvenrix	i will try that now and see what, if anything else, happens.
2022-06-26 07:55:26	tirnanog	oh, there's an article in the wiki about it.
2022-06-26 07:58:27	psyvenrix	odd thing is, i am not sure how to get 2139 from 20605...
2022-06-26 07:58:36	psyvenrix	as that comes out as 9.8somethingorother
2022-06-26 08:01:49	tirnanog	psyvenrix: I skimmed https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Identify_damaged_files#Debug_the_filesystem. they speak of having used badblocks. for "badblocks block size", I think that one would take the value printed by "blockdev --getbsz /dev/sdc1" instead, then the "original block number" would be the logical block from dmesg.
2022-06-26 08:01:50	phrik	Title: Identify damaged files - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-26 08:02:01	tirnanog	oops, I wrote sdc1 again. well, you know what I mean.
2022-06-26 08:02:05	psyvenrix	yeah
2022-06-26 08:02:24	psyvenrix	block size on my device comes back as 4096 
2022-06-26 08:02:48	psyvenrix	which gives me 8761344
2022-06-26 08:03:21	tirnanog	for sdb1 specifically? I ask because, weirdly, sometimes partitions are different.
2022-06-26 08:04:02	psyvenrix	there is only one partition on that drive, the disk itself is a wdc blue. not exactly old but not new either.
2022-06-26 08:04:16	tirnanog	e.g. you might have an AFF drive that gives you 4096 for sdb, as expected, but then 512 for a partition like sdb1 (I don't know why).
2022-06-26 08:04:19	psyvenrix	only had 7k power on hours as well :-S i thought it was a safe bet for what i am using it for
2022-06-26 08:04:33	psyvenrix	ah i see what you are saying
2022-06-26 08:04:36	psyvenrix	will check that
2022-06-26 08:05:05	psyvenrix	both the partition and its main dev return 4096. no difference
2022-06-26 08:05:08	tirnanog	ok, cool.
2022-06-26 08:06:19	psyvenrix	i mean i have backups of the data in question, i am just trying to figure out what i lost and what i need to pull from the backup and shunt into a new drive at this stage.
2022-06-26 08:06:48	psyvenrix	i had run e2image -ra since this was a small enough partition but this is way more messy than i thought it would be.
2022-06-26 08:09:03	tirnanog	I have it as 2319 because 2319 / (4096 / 4096) is just 2319. I assume your ext4 block size is 4096 there.
2022-06-26 08:10:04	psyvenrix	yes it is. oh is that how i should have read that calculation line in the wiki?
2022-06-26 08:11:00	tirnanog	as far as I can gather, yes. you didn't use badblocks but we know that the logical block size (as opposed to the physical block size which is sometimes different) is4096.
2022-06-26 08:11:15	tirnanog	and a logical block number should be a multiple of that logical block size.
2022-06-26 08:11:50	tirnanog	I don't know the first thing about interacting with debugs for ext4 stats but I think that's right for the formula as shown.
2022-06-26 08:12:16	tirnanog	you can get the filesystem block size with tune2fs -l, of course.
2022-06-26 08:12:22	ulteq	!paste
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2022-06-26 08:12:32	tirnanog	it's probably 4 KiB, though.
2022-06-26 08:12:48	psyvenrix	i've run badblocks a few times now and got 20605
2022-06-26 08:13:39	tirnanog	badblocks uses a block size of 1024 B by default, rather than 4096.
2022-06-26 08:14:26	psyvenrix	oh
2022-06-26 08:14:30	psyvenrix	derp
2022-06-26 08:14:42	tirnanog	but anyway, there could be more than one bad block.
2022-06-26 08:14:43	psyvenrix	i will rerun it with bs 4096 then
2022-06-26 08:14:58	tirnanog	or one could have got remapped all of a sudden. who knows.
2022-06-26 08:14:59	psyvenrix	i know there is more than one as i got at least a second. but this is new to me and what you've told me helps.
2022-06-26 08:15:19	psyvenrix	this drive passed a SMART test around two months ago, meaning all this is new, in terms of damage.
2022-06-26 08:15:19	tirnanog	but yeah, if you want it to be 4096, you have to specify -b 4096.
2022-06-26 08:15:42	tirnanog	drive failure is never much fun.
2022-06-26 08:16:05	psyvenrix	i knew i was playing with fire here. but it happens and at worse.. this is my meme-storage drive :-P
2022-06-26 08:16:08	psyvenrix	*worst
2022-06-26 08:16:29	tirnanog	the gravitas of the situation is thus laid bare.
2022-06-26 08:16:34	psyvenrix	and as i said, i have several backups to use here, one which is less than a week old versus when SMARTd told me of the failure
2022-06-26 08:16:52	psyvenrix	i consider this a near perfect "learning lesson" for what i could do in the future if the stakes were higher.
2022-06-26 08:17:27	psyvenrix	i am happy to sink the time into this and see what can be done, as time is well on my side for this. the FS still mounts and 99% of the data is still there.
2022-06-26 08:18:04	tirnanog	well, if nothing else, you'll hopefully be able to master the debugfs interface.
2022-06-26 08:18:40	psyvenrix	yeah this is not my first tango with it either, i recall having done this once before a long time ago.
2022-06-26 08:19:04	psyvenrix	would you say running badblocks against the entire drive is best or against the partition? i am thinking which way around will be easier with the logical blocks
2022-06-26 08:19:38	psyvenrix	the partition starts at the 1049kB sector, going off what parted just told me.
2022-06-26 08:19:47	tirnanog	the partition otherwise there is surely going to be some awkward math involved when you start prodding at things in a filesystem context.
2022-06-26 08:19:55	psyvenrix	goodo
2022-06-26 08:20:05	tirnanog	although, you could post-process any bad blocks listed of course.
2022-06-26 08:20:08	psyvenrix	i will let badblocks run with 4k block size and go do some house chores while i wait.
2022-06-26 08:20:23	tirnanog	they'd need to be incremented according to the partition's offset.
2022-06-26 08:20:28	tirnanog	(likely 1MiB in total).
2022-06-26 08:21:20	psyvenrix	okay. thank you once again for all that.
2022-06-26 09:08:58	bazflo	i just installed arch on a "new" machine and steam. tried to launch a game (linux native) but the game does not start. all i get is a "steam" proccess using 100% cpu, and, when i strace it, i get "fcntl64(162501687, F_GETFD) = -1 EBADF (Bad file descriptor)" being spit out forever (and the fd keeps increasing). only "weird" stuff about my install is that it is using btrfs raid1 and using
2022-06-26 09:09:00	bazflo	propreitary nvidia drivers
2022-06-26 09:23:40	bazflo	just tried to change launch options to "echo launched # %command%" and on my working gentoo install, i do get "launched" as output, but on the arch install, i get the same result as above. i think this disqualifies nvidia being the culprit because the "game" is not even started by steam.
2022-06-26 09:32:07	Nomenclatura	not necesarily a linux problem. Have you successfully ran that game anywhere before?
2022-06-26 09:32:23	Nomenclatura	lots of games have glitches and known crashes
2022-06-26 09:33:02	Nomenclatura	Have you successfully ran any other game on this install?
2022-06-26 09:40:06	bazflo	Nomenclatura: the trick with changing the launch options shows that it has nothing to do with the game, but it has to do with steam and the fcntl call... and i just figured it out: on both installs i just increased the "open files" limit to the max allowed (as determined by /proc/sys/fs/nr_open). on my gentoo install, it was only 1048576, but on arch it is 1073741816 and i guess steam did not
2022-06-26 09:40:09	bazflo	like that for some reason. changing the limit to a saner number and now steam works
2022-06-26 09:42:29	tirnanog	nr_open isn't really relevant. the process soft and hard limits are. in gentoo, the hard limit would be much lower unless you either used systemd there or tweaked it yourself.
2022-06-26 09:42:46	bazflo	maybe steam does fcntl on all possible fd before launching a game for some reason. anyway it was steam's fault and has nothing to do with arch, so my bad. also thanks Nomenclatura for trying to help.
2022-06-26 09:43:34	tirnanog	so, if you were using openrc, that likely explains that difference in terms of fd thresholds. it doens't explain why steam is behaving in this strange manner, though.
2022-06-26 09:43:39	tirnanog	or fileno, I should say.
2022-06-26 09:44:00	tirnanog	yeah, it sounds like that's exactly what it's doing.
2022-06-26 09:44:30	tirnanog	then again, it's going well over what's normally the hard limit.
2022-06-26 09:44:32	bazflo	tirnanog: on my gentoo install i edited "/etc/limits" (no PAM) and set it to the max which i got from nr_open.. on arch i did the same thing but with three files: /etc/security/limits.conf, /etc/systemd/system.conf, and /etc/systemd/user.conf (systemd is confusing and i didnt know how to change the fileno limit)
2022-06-26 09:45:10	tirnanog	that's a bad idea.
2022-06-26 09:45:34	bazflo	tirnanog: sorry, which part is a bad idea?
2022-06-26 09:45:35	tirnanog	firstly, you shouldn't really base anything on nr_open. just ignore it. secondly, that would likely lead to setting a ridiculously high number for what is a per-process limit.
2022-06-26 09:45:57	tirnanog	systemd defaults to 1048576 as the per-process hard limit and that's very generous.
2022-06-26 09:46:20	tirnanog	or was it half that. one of the two, anyway.
2022-06-26 09:46:59	bazflo	tirnanog: are you sure? on my arch install ulimit -a shows 1024? anyway yes i will use 1048576 from now on. steam's proton uses a lot of files for esync or something like that, which is why i increased the limit in the first place
2022-06-26 09:47:03	tirnanog	yes, I am sure.
2022-06-26 09:47:09	tirnanog	ulimit -a is _not_ the hard limit.
2022-06-26 09:47:25	tirnanog	ulimit -Hn
2022-06-26 09:47:59	bazflo	thanks. 524288 looks like the default
2022-06-26 09:48:16	tirnanog	so what did you set it to eactly?
2022-06-26 09:48:30	tirnanog	(in the pam_limits context)
2022-06-26 09:49:09	tirnanog	1073741816? that's crazy. some programs do behave differently based on the detected hard limit.
2022-06-26 09:49:09	bazflo	when steam hanged before launching i had it set to 1073741816. but i will set it to 1048576 now
2022-06-26 09:49:16	tirnanog	yes, please do _not_ do that :)
2022-06-26 09:49:33	tirnanog	I know games can be more demanding. 1048576 is a common choice in that case and should be fine.
2022-06-26 09:50:08	tirnanog	it's likely as you say, it iterates up to the hard limit and your hard limit is ridiculously high.
2022-06-26 09:50:27	tirnanog	it's not even a systemd-wide limit.
2022-06-26 09:50:49	tirnanog	oops, system-wide.
2022-06-26 09:52:11	tirnanog	anyway, let us know how it goes with 1048576. I suppose you'll need to login anew.
2022-06-26 09:52:11	bazflo	tirnanog: thanks for the info. i did not know it was per proccess. anyway, what is the correct way to set the hard limit on arch? do i need to change all three files mentioned above?
2022-06-26 09:52:34	tirnanog	a) to leave it alone if you're not having a problem b) to be conservative in increasing it if you are.
2022-06-26 09:52:54	tirnanog	beyond that, I can say that 1048576 is fairly commonly used and seems to be acceptable.
2022-06-26 09:53:05	tirnanog	I would definitely not recommend going higher than that.
2022-06-26 09:53:29	tirnanog	as for how to change it, you can actually do this with systemd I think.
2022-06-26 09:54:08	tirnanog	trying to remember where the article is.
2022-06-26 09:54:14	bazflo	yeah i did have problems on my gentoo install before increasing it, so thats why i increased it after install arch.
2022-06-26 09:54:22	tirnanog	openrc, I take it?
2022-06-26 09:54:40	tirnanog	wouldn't be surprising then, the defaults for gentoo/openrc are stupid.
2022-06-26 09:55:05	tirnanog	they basically ignore the entire matter of what is sensible on a modern system.
2022-06-26 09:55:27	bazflo	yeah, the gentoo install is openrc.
2022-06-26 09:56:11	bazflo	i like it for its simplicity. e.g. i just change /etc/limits and it worked. meanwhile on my systemd arch install i think i need to change three files (unless i am mistaken)
2022-06-26 09:56:59	tirnanog	pam_limits works the same way anywhere. you just have to rely on your session manager being pam-integrated - which it almost always is - for it to any good.
2022-06-26 09:57:31	tirnanog	anyway, found it.
2022-06-26 09:58:22	tirnanog	you can use pam_limits if you want but systemd has NOFILE=1024:524288 as a default for system.conf. as not everything perfectly integrates with pam, I'd personally set it in systemd.
2022-06-26 09:58:37	tirnanog	then again, as it only needs to affect your session, I suppose it's not all that important which method you use.
2022-06-26 09:59:01	tirnanog	DefaultLimitNOFILE=1024:524288, I mean.
2022-06-26 09:59:07	tirnanog	you'll see it commented in /etc/systemd/system.conf
2022-06-26 09:59:38	bazflo	thanks
2022-06-26 09:59:49	tirnanog	do not increase the soft limit of 1024 but feel free to bump up the hard limit a bit.
2022-06-26 10:00:47	tirnanog	iirc, it will take effect if you do systemctl daemon-reload and, as with pam, you'll likely have to login again.
2022-06-26 10:01:35	bazflo	so the way it works on arch linux is you have the pam limits normally and when you are in a "session", systemd limits overwrite the pam limits?
2022-06-26 10:03:16	tirnanog	I think it's the case that systemd establishes the limits but, if you were to define a pam_limits policy, that would have priority for a pam-integrated application. for just logging in, I haven't tried setting them both at the same time, and probably wouldn't want to. you could experiment to find out.
2022-06-26 10:04:15	tirnanog	I assume, because systemd plays a role in the login process (and has a pam component of its own even), that's why it can even be used as a solution at all.
2022-06-26 10:06:02	bazflo	changing /etc/systemd/system.conf, running "systemctl daemon-reload", and logging in worked. thanks again.
2022-06-26 10:06:14	tirnanog	is the game working well now?
2022-06-26 10:06:29	bazflo	oh right. let me check again
2022-06-26 10:06:31	tirnanog	or steam, I suppose I should say.
2022-06-26 10:06:52	MrElendig	don't need to raise the limit for steam itself
2022-06-26 10:07:21	MrElendig	unless something is seriously broken
2022-06-26 10:08:11	bazflo	yeah, the game at least launches now. i dont know if i will run into the file limits problem though as it only happens with proton games and i dont have any windows games installed currently
2022-06-26 10:08:20	tirnanog	you almost certainly won't.
2022-06-26 10:09:50	MrElendig	s/proton games/specific games/
2022-06-26 10:10:07	MrElendig	sane games uses resource packs instead of accessing half a million files at once
2022-06-26 10:10:29	tirnanog	2^20 should give you a comfortable degree of headroom for any single game-related process. at least, I've yet to hear of anyone having a problem with fileno that high. I suppose it might happen one day.
2022-06-26 10:11:45	bazflo	tirnanog: the login proccess seems so complicated for (seemingly) no beenfit for desktop usage. on my gentoo install i run without pam or logind and everything basically works as i expect.. maybe serveres benefit from fine-grain control of limits or login
2022-06-26 10:11:47	tirnanog	still, that wasn't ideal behaviour from steam there. I suppose nobody at Valve tested what would happen if it's set really, really high.
2022-06-26 10:12:21	bazflo	MrElendig: im pretty sure its proton specific because of "esync" or something like that.. there is a readme on a github page somewhere explaing why high file numbers is required. let me see if i can find it
2022-06-26 10:12:30	tirnanog	yes, I've seen material to that effect before.
2022-06-26 10:12:36	tirnanog	that's why I suggested 1048576 as a reduction.
2022-06-26 10:12:52	tirnanog	as for systemd ... it solves real problems.
2022-06-26 10:13:03	tirnanog	some complexity is inevitable.
2022-06-26 10:13:19	tirnanog	the people that believe it gets the trade-off wrong are probably never going to change their minds.
2022-06-26 10:13:31	tirnanog	all of which is a roundabout way of saying no comment!
2022-06-26 10:14:06	bazflo	MrElendig: https://github.com/Tk-Glitch/wine-proton-tkg/blob/master/README.esync
2022-06-26 10:14:23	tirnanog	I've used gentoo since the early 2000s, fwiw, and can say that openrc is not solving these problems.
2022-06-26 10:16:54	tirnanog	bazflo: ah yes. I recall reading that. couldn't find it earlier.
2022-06-26 10:17:24	bazflo	tirnanog: im honestly curious.. i am prepared to change my gentoo profile to systemd and recompile a bunch of stuff. i dont really have any strong opinions for using openrc
2022-06-26 10:17:56	tirnanog	bazflo: it's a bit OT here but the culture of init scripts is basically WorksOnMyMachine(tm), ship it.
2022-06-26 10:18:02	tirnanog	I got sick and tired of it.
2022-06-26 10:18:26	tirnanog	I'm actually migrating a bunch of gentoo systems to systemd.
2022-06-26 10:18:59	tirnanog	and service management needs to be more about "let's read the first line of this pid file and pray that it can be used to non-racily interact with a process that we pray exists and was the process we thought we started earlier" in 2022.
2022-06-26 10:19:13	tirnanog	that's before even getting to the atrocious quality of the shell code.
2022-06-26 10:20:54	tirnanog	there's much more, but I just gave up. the people that think it's all fine and nothing more is needed can carry on believing it. I have to move away from it to actually address the problems I'm facing.
2022-06-26 10:21:15	tirnanog	it makes my life easier, not harder. that's what it boils down to.
2022-06-26 10:22:12	MrElendig	bazflo: try out s6 some time, its quite a bit nicer
2022-06-26 10:22:58	tirnanog	s6 is a well thought out system, yah.
2022-06-26 10:23:18	tirnanog	but the uptake and integration just isn't there.
2022-06-26 10:24:51	bazflo	i understand your decision. i did not even know about the pid file problem (does running a seperate supervision thing address that problem).. regarding the shell scripts, well.. they "WorksOnMyMachine(tm)" so i never looked at them. lol
2022-06-26 10:25:03	tirnanog	I'll just give you one concrete example.
2022-06-26 10:25:15	bazflo	MrElendig: i thought s6 was just the supervision suite part?
2022-06-26 10:25:15	tirnanog	I can't use thin provisioning in gentoo under openrc. literally, I can't successfully boot.
2022-06-26 10:25:43	tirnanog	I won't bore you with the details, but it's down to the shitty runscript that basically pretends that there aren't real problems to be addressed through adequate engineering.
2022-06-26 10:25:49	tirnanog	of course, the systemd units work fine.
2022-06-26 10:26:16	tirnanog	I hacked the script to make it work but I'm tired of having to do this.
2022-06-26 10:26:31	artefact	you can kind of get 90% there with proper usage of cgroups. but it's a pain to do by hand
2022-06-26 10:26:31	tirnanog	I could open a bug and try to hope anyone even listens.
2022-06-26 10:26:47	tirnanog	but I just don't want to do this anymore.
2022-06-26 10:26:49	tirnanog	I want code that works.
2022-06-26 10:27:35	tirnanog	race-condition central, basically.
2022-06-26 10:27:47	tirnanog	and just poor shell scripting in general.
2022-06-26 10:28:17	tirnanog	the stick-in-the-muds don't understand that not everything can be solved with the shell and standard utilities alone.
2022-06-26 10:28:26	tirnanog	some problems are complex and do require some thought as to the solution.
2022-06-26 10:28:37	MrElendig	bazflo: you can run it as pid1
2022-06-26 10:29:05	tirnanog	downstream maintainers, in general, don't seem to be able to cope with that burden. the idea of having upstream ship units seems sensible to me.
2022-06-26 10:30:35	bazflo	i guess the way i use my system is i expect to "hack" at it, report bugs, etc. but i do understand needing a system that "just works" (hence why i installed arch on my gaming machine).
2022-06-26 10:30:51	bazflo	however, the way you describe the mainters it doesnt sound like any bug reports will do anything..
2022-06-26 10:31:02	tirnanog	bazflo: regarding bug reporting, it is very hit and miss.
2022-06-26 10:32:25	bazflo	MrElendig: intersting. maybe i will try it out for the next system i set up.
2022-06-26 10:32:33	tirnanog	bazflo: I have fixes for a lot of things sitting on my hard drive. the thinp issue and discovering that /lib/rc/sh/start-stop-daemon.sh allows for arbitrary code execution in its pitfully poor parameter handling was the final straw for me.
2022-06-26 10:32:51	tirnanog	I even fixed it. took quite a lot of effort.
2022-06-26 10:32:52	MrElendig	bazflo: also see s6-rc
2022-06-26 10:33:40	tirnanog	bazflo: but it's not a productive use of my time.
2022-06-26 10:33:55	tirnanog	it's an interminable game of whack-a-mole.
2022-06-26 10:37:52	tirnanog	bazflo: https://bugs.gentoo.org/833087#c3
2022-06-26 10:37:56	phrik	Title: 833087 – www-misc/shellinabox init.d service fails to run with dash (at bugs.gentoo.org)
2022-06-26 11:16:48	bazflo	tirnanog: (sorry, something came up and i was afk for a while) so the ACE comes from a filename? that sounds very bad.
2022-06-26 11:17:31	tirnanog	bazflo: yes. the thing is, it's a fractal of bad design all the way down (to borrow from the notorious PHP article).
2022-06-26 11:17:57	bazflo	i havent personally had any problems with openrc, but next time my system explodes and i need a reinstall, or i set up a new system, i will definently try something else (maybe s6). i just dont want to use systemd mainly because of logind depending on PAM which is confusing to understand, otherwise, i have no problems (and tbh i am envious of systemd timers)
2022-06-26 11:17:58	tirnanog	bazflo: you might call it hacking. I got to the point of calling it a futile attempt at working around bad engineering.
2022-06-26 11:18:03	tirnanog	with no end in sight.
2022-06-26 11:18:34	tirnanog	you have people writing system-level code and this is the best they can do? something's not right.
2022-06-26 11:19:01	tirnanog	anyway, I hope that puts it in some perspective ;)
2022-06-26 11:23:44	bazflo	yeah, i do agree openrc is not the best, and i would install systemd on a critical system (especially after knowing about ACE, race conditions, etc. of openrc). but on my personal laptop, i do not want to deal with complexities from the monolithic systemd... maybe if i could install just the init part by itself i would consider it
2022-06-26 11:24:23	MrElendig	from the user perspective, systemd has less complexity
2022-06-26 11:24:52	tirnanog	I think the sad thing in all of this is that forward-thinking systems like s6 never gained much traction. the marketing powers of its author were just not enough to overcome the worksonmymachine(tm) guys, it seems.
2022-06-26 11:24:55	bazflo	well, i guess it depends on what you mean by a "user"
2022-06-26 11:25:59	bazflo	just changing limits on systemd is confusing. and having PAM be a dependency is *very* confusing.. but i guess the average "user" does not mess with that stuff.
2022-06-26 11:26:08	tirnanog	why is it confusing?
2022-06-26 11:26:26	MrElendig	its not any more confusing than changing limits on other systems
2022-06-26 11:26:43	tirnanog	it's one setting, which is very well documented (like amost everything in systemd) and easily searchable in the systemd.directives man page.
2022-06-26 11:26:44	MrElendig	and pretty much everyone uses pam, even slackware
2022-06-26 11:27:05	bazflo	regarding the limits, there are at least three places to specify them (and im not sure what each one does).
2022-06-26 11:27:09	tirnanog	and even commented in system.conf so as to demonstrate it exists and show what its defaults are.
2022-06-26 11:27:31	bazflo	with PAM, it can be confusing if you dont know what it does
2022-06-26 11:27:37	tirnanog	yes, that's true.
2022-06-26 11:27:52	bazflo	e.g. on openssh, it can allow password logins when you disabled password logins (but still kept PAM enabled)
2022-06-26 11:27:58	tirnanog	but I don't see the point of contention with the system.conf setting here.
2022-06-26 11:28:23	MrElendig	bazflo: sure, but that is not related to systemd in any way though and is the same if you eg run openrc
2022-06-26 11:28:26	bazflo	tirnanog: there is also a user.conf that had that same nofile config?
2022-06-26 11:28:45	bazflo	MrElendig: in openrc i have the choice of not compiling anything with PAM
2022-06-26 11:29:07	MrElendig	bazflo: you can use systemd without pam too if you really want to
2022-06-26 11:29:08	tirnanog	(which nobody does but true)
2022-06-26 11:29:20	MrElendig	but basically no one uses openrc without pam either
2022-06-26 11:29:26	MrElendig	except in some embedded stuff
2022-06-26 11:29:32	tirnanog	the thing is, nobody adequately tests these theoretically attainable esotertic configurations.
2022-06-26 11:29:36	bazflo	one sec... something came up again..
2022-06-26 11:30:14	MrElendig	and arguably systemd makes it easier to set limits in some cases, eg if you want it just for a single service
2022-06-26 11:30:23	tirnanog	which just goes back to the thing about bad engineering. you can pretend to be all things to all people but let's not pretend tha a no-pam setup is being adequately tested.
2022-06-26 11:31:01	MrElendig	tirnanog: they are tested *a lot*, but not for desktop use :p
2022-06-26 11:31:29	MrElendig	a hell of a lot of embedded systems without pam which gets much more serious testing than basically any desktop system
2022-06-26 11:31:41	MrElendig	but of course their scope is totally different
2022-06-26 11:31:43	bazflo	MrElendig: i dont think its possible to use systemd without PAM because logind has a hard dependency on it? maybe it is possible, but more difficult?
2022-06-26 11:31:52	tirnanog	yes. that's more or less what I would have expected.
2022-06-26 11:32:05	tirnanog	if anyone's going down that road, it's going to be the embedded guys, and they'll have their reasons.
2022-06-26 11:32:14	tirnanog	and test their stuff :D
2022-06-26 11:32:57	MrElendig	tirnanog: seen a couple of embedded systems with systemd without pam
2022-06-26 11:33:09	tirnanog	I get the point.
2022-06-26 11:33:22	MrElendig	but then again, they also strip out a lot of the other typical systemd tools/functions
2022-06-26 11:33:46	MrElendig	(both systems were used for car infortaiment)
2022-06-26 11:34:10	tirnanog	embedded is not my game but I've seen a few presentations that were intended as mythbusters, with respect to the suitability of systemd for embedded applications.
2022-06-26 11:34:58	MrElendig	systemd have quite a bit of popularity in that market
2022-06-26 11:35:19	tirnanog	presumably, because it solves some tricky problems.
2022-06-26 11:36:03	bazflo	anyway, on my laptop, i do use openrc without PAM because PAM has just gets in the way and does unexpected stuff (e.g. the openssh issue and changing configuration of /etc/login.defs is sometimes overwritten by PAM modules which i think is very confusing for an "average" user)
2022-06-26 11:36:24	bazflo	MrElendig: how easy is it to get a stripped down systemd installed on a desktop?
2022-06-26 11:36:39	MrElendig	if you are on a source based distro, not that hard
2022-06-26 11:36:41	tirnanog	login.defs is not owned by, nor ever overwritten by any pam module.
2022-06-26 11:37:02	tirnanog	the only thing that's going to change it is the shadow package itself.
2022-06-26 11:37:07	MrElendig	and I would argue that without pam you can end up with more surprises
2022-06-26 11:37:30	bazflo	tirnanog: i dont mean the actual file, but the options (like the delay between attempts)
2022-06-26 11:37:31	MrElendig	(and less consistent configs)
2022-06-26 11:37:37	tirnanog	ah, I see.
2022-06-26 11:37:59	MrElendig	with pam you could if you want to stuff all auth related configs in a single file
2022-06-26 11:38:09	bazflo	MrElendig: is it just a cmpile time config or manually patched? i havent looked into systemd compile options.
2022-06-26 11:38:33	MrElendig	instead of having it configured in different ways for each and every application
2022-06-26 11:39:01	MrElendig	(not to mention some that if you don't build pam, you basically get no auth at all)
2022-06-26 11:46:22	godSend23	can clonezilla see individ partitions of a bitlocker disk?
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2022-06-26 11:55:18	MrElendig	depends on 1. if you have unlocked them 2. how they are set up
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2022-06-26 11:55:46	godSend23	hi MrElendig ooh ok
2022-06-26 11:55:52	MrElendig	but why are you not doing the backup from windows?
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2022-06-26 11:56:17	godSend23	i used macrium; it's fiel type is so strange
2022-06-26 11:56:31	godSend23	i need the more common disk image types
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2022-06-26 12:00:22	godSend23	can u elaborate on #2?
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2022-06-26 12:01:07	MrElendig	if its a single bitlocker container with dynamic disks inside, or if its multiple bitlocker containers 
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2022-06-26 12:01:49	MrElendig	bitlocker can be used in individual partitions as well as whole disks
2022-06-26 12:01:57	godSend23	ohhhh; my gosh i didn't know
2022-06-26 12:02:27	godSend23	and linux is aware of these distinctions somehow?
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2022-06-26 12:03:01	MrElendig	there are tools for accessing bitlocker (and windows dynamic disks) on gnu/linux
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2022-06-26 12:03:08	MrElendig	but really, do the backup from windows instead
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2022-06-26 12:03:38	godSend23	i'd like to learn to do it in linux if i may
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2022-06-26 12:03:49	MrElendig	dislocker + mdadm
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2022-06-26 12:03:52	godSend23	it's interesting to me
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2022-06-26 12:04:40	MrElendig	libldm+mdadm that is for dynamic disks
2022-06-26 12:04:42	godSend23	MrElendig, will gParted and cloneZ 'see' the bitlocker disks and/or partitions the same way using a liveUSB enviropn?
2022-06-26 12:04:50	godSend23	or the programs u mention better?
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2022-06-26 12:04:54	MrElendig	godSend23: you could also simply clone the whole disk
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2022-06-26 12:07:28	godSend23	not sure if my disk is dynamic
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2022-06-26 12:07:42	godSend23	yeah... i'd rather do it specific partition wise
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2022-06-26 12:29:24	mpan	rogafe could benefit from being directed to ##fix-your-connection
2022-06-26 12:29:44	electrohead	holy shit
2022-06-26 12:29:52	mpan	Pardon, ##fix_your_connection
2022-06-26 12:30:30	electrohead	may be possible that (they) are doing it on purpose
2022-06-26 12:30:54	mpan	That is a possibility, though that is also not important for the solution that can be used. :)
2022-06-26 12:31:46	electrohead	mpan: well of course :P
2022-06-26 12:32:07	mpan	Thanks
2022-06-26 12:32:14	electrohead	so much
2022-06-26 12:32:23	⚡ 	electrohead offers coffee to MrElendig
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2022-06-26 12:49:53	phrik	teraflops: Error: You don't have the #archlinux,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
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2022-06-26 12:51:19	mpan	Nomenclatura: use !roulette to make phrik kick you.
2022-06-26 12:51:33	Nomenclatura	!roulette
2022-06-26 12:51:33	phrik	Nomenclatura: *click*
2022-06-26 12:51:42	mpan	If you are quick enough, EMIYA will do that first.
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2022-06-26 12:55:47	Nomenclatura	!roulette
2022-06-26 12:55:48	phrik	Nomenclatura: *click*
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2022-06-26 15:28:46	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-06-26 15:28:50	ℹ 	heat_ es conocido ahora como heat
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2022-06-26 16:33:44	nyasaki	Hey
2022-06-26 16:34:35	nyasaki	Im building a custom iso and cant figure out how to start xorg after the automatic login, i've tried it with .bash_profile
2022-06-26 16:35:10	nyasaki	using releng as baseline
2022-06-26 16:36:17	artefact	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xinit#Autostart_X_at_login= doesn't work?
2022-06-26 16:36:18	phrik	Title: xinit - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-06-26 16:38:10	nyasaki	artefact: but i still have to run startx
2022-06-26 16:38:43	nyasaki	And yes I have followed that
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2022-06-26 16:40:30	nl6720	nyasaki: to which file did you add that snippet from the wiki?
2022-06-26 16:41:21	nyasaki	to /root/.bash_profile
2022-06-26 16:41:53	nl6720	releng's root shell is zsh unless you changed airootfs/etc/passwd in the profile
2022-06-26 16:42:04	nyasaki	oh
2022-06-26 16:42:07	nyasaki	It is?
2022-06-26 16:42:11	artefact	so you want .zlogin 
2022-06-26 16:42:33	nl6720	nyasaki: it is https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/archiso/-/blob/master/configs/releng/airootfs/etc/passwd
2022-06-26 16:42:35	phrik	Title: configs/releng/airootfs/etc/passwd · master · Arch Linux / archiso · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2022-06-26 16:43:35	nl6720	artefact: .zprofile should be better, it will have less pollution of interactive shell stuff
2022-06-26 16:44:03	nyasaki	building it with .zlogin now
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2022-06-26 16:50:15	nyasaki	.zlogin works fine
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2022-06-26 16:50:44	susi	.zprofile gets sourced before .zshrc, .zlogin after
2022-06-26 16:50:51	susi	(for login shell)
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2022-06-26 16:51:52	susi	nl6720: .zlogin is also sourced only for login shells
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2022-06-26 16:52:30	nyasaki	https://postimg.cc/FkVQ875C
2022-06-26 16:52:31	phrik	Title: Image — Postimages (at postimg.cc)
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2022-06-26 16:53:19	nl6720	susi: I know. my point was that by having startx in .zlogin instead of .zprofile, the graphical session will have all the environment variables and other crap that .zshrc exports
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2022-06-26 16:53:44	nyasaki	The fonts might be too big
2022-06-26 16:54:02	susi	I think alacritty is a lot too much resource-hungry for a terminal emulator
2022-06-26 16:54:17	nyasaki	what would u use instead?
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2022-06-26 16:54:40	susi	I use urxvtd/c and st instead
2022-06-26 16:54:50	nl6720	I'd use cool-retro-term
2022-06-26 16:54:55	jelle	susi: what makes you think it is?
2022-06-26 16:55:12	susi	jelle: I have it installed and I have observed 
2022-06-26 16:55:43	jelle	seems neglible to me, plus it offers a different feature set
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2022-06-26 16:56:38	susi	I just started 3 instances, each of them took 80 MB, but I have observed it taking 140 M+ for a single instance... while my 9 urxvtc instances take a total of 22 M
2022-06-26 16:57:09	susi	I think it's a meaningful difference if one's low on memory
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2022-06-26 16:57:22	beest	yes, having a terminal that isn't broken and on fire will probably consume more RAM
2022-06-26 16:57:34	nyasaki	xD
2022-06-26 16:58:16	beest	if you're "low on memory" in 2022, the difference of a couple dozen megabytes is going to make zero difference
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2022-06-26 16:59:53	nyasaki	My ISO uses 230M
2022-06-26 17:00:13	nyasaki	with alacritty and htop open
2022-06-26 17:00:42	nyasaki	Firefox kicks it to 600M
2022-06-26 17:01:01	nyasaki	I think the terminal is your smallest issue
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2022-06-26 17:13:37	susi	terminal isn't my smallest issue, I tend to have 9 of them open all times
2022-06-26 17:13:51	nyasaki	tmux is a thing
2022-06-26 17:13:54	susi	if each of them takes 80-140 M, it's not a small feat on 4G ram with firefox taking the rest
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2022-06-26 17:14:45	susi	anyway, to each their own, or something like that
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2022-06-26 17:17:00	demonicmaniac1	alacritty can also easily grow to 800mb+ for a single instance over time and has in the past run away. it's not necessarily an argument pro minimal term but the opengl stuffs makes it kinda iffy in many cases and over time
2022-06-26 17:17:38	Strykar	never seen kitty do that, and it starts on login with 6 tabs each with some windows
2022-06-26 17:18:04	susi	if I were to use an opengl-ish te, I'd probably use kitty
2022-06-26 17:18:23	BrainDamage	start optimizing ff first then
2022-06-26 17:18:30	nyasaki	i like it just bc the config si so simple
2022-06-26 17:18:32	susi	I have optimized my ff
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2022-06-26 17:18:59	susi	it takes a lot less than a 'default' 
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2022-06-26 17:20:40	susi	and there's some room for configuring its inactive tab unloading behavior and such things
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2022-06-26 17:22:12	susi	rn 22 tabs 'open' and 506 M total memory usage, 365 M for all the tabs
2022-06-26 17:23:01	susi	tho it's pretty effort-ish to try to calculate ff's memory usage 
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2022-06-26 17:23:43	susi	probably it's taking even more, but I just calculated from about:performance all the tabs to be 365 M in total
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2022-06-26 17:24:47	demonicmaniac1	susi: ps_mem
2022-06-26 17:24:56	susi	and doing 'measure' in about:memory tells a different story
2022-06-26 17:25:20	susi	anyway, it's not taking too much, I never run into OOM situation, and that's what I want
2022-06-26 17:25:34	susi	it keeps unloading tabs from memory early enough when needed
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2022-06-26 17:28:41	susi	in my observations arkenfox user.js also makes it less res-hungry by disabling all the redundant stuff
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2022-06-26 17:47:35	artefact	i wonder if ksm would help with tons of ff tabs
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2022-06-26 17:49:43	davor_	I've got a problem with the KDE battery notification, at times it will randomly disappear and report there is no battery while running on battery power, and other times it will show the battery, but keep showing 99%, even though the battery is draining and the sys interface shows 1123000 in charge_now (2185000 in charge_full), indicating the kernel does see that the battery is half empty
2022-06-26 17:50:04	davor_	this is currently happening. can anyone help me pinpoint why this is happening?
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2022-06-26 17:54:50	davor_	or, better to say, upower reads 99% full
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2022-06-26 17:55:54	susi	namarrgon has diagnosed me with micro-optimizitis, so every kilobyte matters to me
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2022-06-26 18:41:15	dongcarl	Any way to do `pacman -Rs blah` but not remove packages which are optionally required by other packages?
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2022-06-26 18:42:47	⚡ 	teraflops mans pacman for blah option
2022-06-26 18:44:21	dongcarl	Looking at this thread I need to do 2 commands
2022-06-26 18:44:30	dongcarl	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=202201
2022-06-26 18:44:30	phrik	Title: Question or problem with optional dependencies and pacman / Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2022-06-26 19:57:20	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-26 20:06:26	jenia2	Hello. I want to setup a bridge network for my worker VM (I'm doing a whole home lab to learn networking, virtualization, terraform and so on). I'm using virt-manager for this but when I go to the VMs settings, and choose bridge network it gives me three options for device model. None of them work
2022-06-26 20:06:36	jenia2	I think I first need to setup the bridge itself right?
2022-06-26 20:06:46	jenia2	like zis: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/network_bridge#Creating_a_bridge
2022-06-26 20:06:47	phrik	Title: Network bridge - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-26 20:07:40	jenia2	actually correction. to setup the bridge it asks me for "device name"
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2022-06-26 20:07:49	jenia2	I think I need to give it the bridge that I setup?
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2022-06-26 20:16:18	Booni	Namarrgon: hello, remember you where helping me with that issue that my system starts to freeze when I open plasma-systemmonitor?
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2022-06-26 20:32:37	jenia246	hello everyone. I broke my network a little:(  I created a bridge network and added my netowkr interface to the bridge: `ip link set eno1 master worker`. Now my QEMU VM has a bridge network all is good. One problem: the host has no internet connection
2022-06-26 20:32:45	jenia246	(worker is the bridge name)
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2022-06-26 20:33:59	jenia246	what did I do wrong? How do I add my VM to the bridge and have internet connection on the host?
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2022-06-26 20:35:11	Jenz	quick question: is btrfs viable if i want something that won't fail on me
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2022-06-26 20:37:13	BrainDamage	yes, but there's specific sections of btrfs which aren't stable
2022-06-26 20:37:23	BrainDamage	so if you don't use those, you'll be fine
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2022-06-26 20:38:40	Jenz	BrainDamage: thank you
2022-06-26 20:40:08	jenia246	how to I move eno1 to the new bridge I created?
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2022-06-27 12:22:43	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-06-27 12:22:43	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1423 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1422 normals)
2022-06-27 12:09:59	caveman	artefact: how?
2022-06-27 12:10:26	caveman	rapha: www, as in, html/css/js/etc.  websites.
2022-06-27 12:22:26	segurb	hey everyone, I got 3060ti and its having driver issues for months now, just randomly freezes the screen or reboots the pc, however when using the 1660ti on the same hardware, everything runs fine, so I am guessing its worth while to try and downgrade the drivers, but I am not sure about kernel version and how far back can I go?
2022-06-27 12:22:47	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-06-27 12:47:22	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-06-27 12:45:20	segurb	what is nvidia-dkms?
2022-06-27 12:47:38	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-06-27 12:47:38	nijj	topcat101 - I tried pavucontrol, mpv with no other variable. But while the video is playing pavucontrol doesn't seem to give me options for the TV monitor..
2022-06-27 12:48:59	Gagis	segurb, version of the driver built using the dynamic kernel module system that allows it to be compatible with any kernel version, but introduces a bit of extra overhead when updating packages
2022-06-27 12:49:23	Gagis	since it gets built whenever kernel version changes
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2022-06-27 13:14:29	segurb	Gagis: yes 515, I would go back to 510 to try it
2022-06-27 13:16:45	Gagis	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nvidia-510xx-dkms that might be your best bet then, add nvidia-510xx-settings on top if you need the settings app
2022-06-27 13:16:47	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - nvidia-510xx-utils (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-06-27 13:17:38	segurb	yep, thats the one, thank you very much !
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2022-06-27 20:01:10	ℹ 	heat es conocido ahora como _Heat
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2022-06-27 20:01:10	ℹ 	_Heat es conocido ahora como heat
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2022-06-27 20:31:06	CarloWood	Some program/tool allowed me to specify the locale for measurement, numeric and time to en_NL.UTF-8 
2022-06-27 20:31:50	CarloWood	But now I am getting errors that the locale can't get be set - and when I add it to /etc/locale.gen and run `sudo locale-gen` it says:
2022-06-27 20:31:57	CarloWood	[error] cannot open locale definition file `en_NL': No such file or directory
2022-06-27 20:32:18	CarloWood	Is this local not supported?
2022-06-27 20:33:05	tirnanog	it is not, on account of not existing.
2022-06-27 20:33:24	jelle	CarloWood: you probably want to export LC_TIME
2022-06-27 20:33:32	jelle	to en_GB or whatever makes sense
2022-06-27 20:33:42	CarloWood	That program knew what it was - it showed me the format of measurements, numerics and time and I liked it.
2022-06-27 20:34:11	CarloWood	Ie, I want to see  1000.000,50  not 1000,1000.50
2022-06-27 20:34:19	tirnanog	whatever it did, it's an invalid locale because it doesn't exist.
2022-06-27 20:34:27	CarloWood	on Arch
2022-06-27 20:34:37	tirnanog	you can't even generate it.
2022-06-27 20:34:47	jelle	CarloWood: set the correct LC_* type
2022-06-27 20:34:48	CarloWood	because of a missing file
2022-06-27 20:35:10	jelle	I would guess it's LC_MONETARY
2022-06-27 20:35:12	CarloWood	jelle: I have those set
2022-06-27 20:35:16	CarloWood	C_NUMERIC=en_NL.UTF-8
2022-06-27 20:35:21	CarloWood	LC_TIME=en_NL.UTF-8
2022-06-27 20:35:24	jelle	CarloWood: that is not a valid locale
2022-06-27 20:35:26	CarloWood	C_MEASUREMENT=en_NL.UTF-8
2022-06-27 20:35:39	CarloWood	I didn't set them myself... 
2022-06-27 20:35:52	CarloWood	they came like that after clicking on stuff in a tool
2022-06-27 20:35:59	jelle	ok, so the tool is wrong :)
2022-06-27 20:36:04	tirnanog	very.
2022-06-27 20:36:14	CarloWood	It even survives reboots now, so I don't know how to get rid of it.
2022-06-27 20:36:20	tirnanog	the effects of these settings would be unpredictable. some applications may fall back to the C locale in response.
2022-06-27 20:36:44	jelle	CarloWood: you want something like https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=107852
2022-06-27 20:36:44	phrik	Title: (SOLVED) Dutch locale with English language / Applications & Desktop Environments / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-06-27 20:37:08	tirnanog	CarloWood: did you allow it to run as root or was it strictly in a user-only context?
2022-06-27 20:37:18	jelle	CarloWood: also see https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14085 :)
2022-06-27 20:37:21	phrik	Title: 14085 – en_NL: new locale (English language for the Netherlands) (at sourceware.org)
2022-06-27 20:42:07	linsux	how do i list orphanded packages?
2022-06-27 20:44:31	tirnanog	pacman -Qdt covers those that weren't explicitly installed.
2022-06-27 20:45:03	tirnanog	which I think is what you're asking for.
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2022-06-27 21:02:10	CarloWood	What do you mean it doesn't exist?  en_NL is in this Arch linux System Settings window: https://gyazo.com/db407ef7d948d505f981836f19d7c31e
2022-06-27 21:02:10	phrik	Title: Screenshot - db407ef7d948d505f981836f19d7c31e - Gyazo (at gyazo.com)
2022-06-27 21:02:10	CarloWood	I can select it - you can select it. And then everything breaks.
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2022-06-27 21:02:10	Namarrgon	kde just makes that up, it cannot be trusted
2022-06-27 21:02:10	jelle	CarloWood: someone made that up
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2022-06-27 21:02:10	Namarrgon	that bug has existed for decades and there's no hope for it ever getting fixed
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2022-06-27 21:02:10	jelle	Namarrgon: I hope no one packages that idea someone has of actually having freaking en_NL
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2022-06-27 21:03:05	Namarrgon	not until the netherland become an english colony!
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2022-06-27 21:03:10	Namarrgon	+s
2022-06-27 21:03:12	demize	en_DK is dope though.
2022-06-27 21:04:37	jelle	Namarrgon: I forsee de_NL
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2022-06-27 21:05:16	Isaac_S	hi, I just got a fresh arch linux install but for some reason, I can't set up the wifi network configuration at all. After running ip link set wlp12s0 i ran ip link show wlp12s0 which told me it was still down:
2022-06-27 21:05:16	Isaac_S	3: wlp12s0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state DOWN mode DORMANT
2022-06-27 21:05:17	Isaac_S	What should I check to diagnose the issue? The hardware switch is turned on. I was able to connect to wifi via the same network card no problem using the live USB version but for some reason now it's having issues?
2022-06-27 21:05:18	demize	Dutch German?
2022-06-27 21:05:20	Namarrgon	jelle: you can have the Bavarians!
2022-06-27 21:05:34	jelle	Namarrgon: ooo nice!
2022-06-27 21:05:34	demize	What will the Dutchies think of next!
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2022-06-27 21:05:41	tirnanog	CarloWood: there is no locale by that name in glibc. you can neither generate nor use it. I don't know how it could be put any more plainly.
2022-06-27 21:05:45	jelle	demize: we need more good food
2022-06-27 21:05:53	jelle	wait, then germany is a bad idea
2022-06-27 21:05:58	demize	:p
2022-06-27 21:06:16	Namarrgon	Isaac_S: the first "UP" is important, that's for the "physical" layer
2022-06-27 21:06:24	tirnanog	CarloWood: or, put another way, assigning arbitrary values to environment variables doesn't render the values meaningful.
2022-06-27 21:06:34	Namarrgon	Isaac_S: the other UP will flip once you have connected to the AP
2022-06-27 21:06:56	tirnanog	CarloWood: should you happen to have perl installed, try perl -v and see what happens.
2022-06-27 21:06:58	Namarrgon	*the other DOWN
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2022-06-27 21:07:19	Isaac_S	What's the difference berween LOWER_UP and UP?
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2022-06-27 21:07:59	Namarrgon	iirc LOWER_UP just means that the cable is plugged in
2022-06-27 21:08:14	Namarrgon	in case of wired ethernet
2022-06-27 21:08:45	Namarrgon	well, that both ends of the cable are plugged in
2022-06-27 21:08:45	Isaac_S	maybe it only changes to LOWER_UP on a wireless network card if I'm connected to an AP then
2022-06-27 21:09:16	Namarrgon	are you using wpa_supplicant or iwd?
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2022-06-27 21:10:15	ℹ 	Tema establecido por Namarrgon el vie, 06 may 2022 01:12:11
2022-06-27 21:10:15	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1432 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1431 normals)
2022-06-27 21:10:21	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-06-27 21:10:23	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-06-27 21:10:23	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-27 21:12:32	Isaac_S	I've been using wireless_tools, wpa_cli just gives me could not connect to wpa_supplicant (nil) - retrying.
2022-06-27 21:12:41	◣	polve (~polve@user/polve) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2022-06-27 21:13:35	Namarrgon	are you following some guide or just going in blind?
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2022-06-27 21:13:51	Namarrgon	"IFF_LOWER_UP Driver signals L1 up (since Linux 2.6.17)"
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2022-06-27 21:13:59	Namarrgon	man 7 netdevice
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2022-06-27 21:14:10	Isaac_S	I was following the network configuration page from the wiki
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2022-06-27 21:15:21	Namarrgon	and the wpa_supplicant page?
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2022-06-27 21:31:37	MrElendig	that should be fine
2022-06-27 21:32:11	CarloWood	Yes, I even rebooted, thinking that that would fix it - but it's still dutch all over the place
2022-06-27 21:32:25	CarloWood	and the time format is NOT en_IE
2022-06-27 21:32:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-06-27 21:32:45	MrElendig	its LANG and MESSAGES that usually configures the output
2022-06-27 21:33:04	MrElendig	but easy test: change one  at a time of the remaining to english until it solves the problem
2022-06-27 21:33:09	y3k88	Any suggestion with the "failing to suspend probably due NVMe issue" :(  ?
2022-06-27 21:33:49	MrElendig	I do assume that both the locales are actually built correctly
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2022-06-28 02:12:05	mingdao	Dotz0cat: If you don't have to have "an older package of qemu", then start with `pacman -Sy qemu`
2022-06-28 02:12:07	Dotz0cat	The important part. https://paste.rs/woV
2022-06-28 02:13:00	mingdao	Dotz0cat: Maybe the first line you typed before pressing Enter?
2022-06-28 02:13:28	Dotz0cat	sudo pacamn -Sy qemu-full
2022-06-28 02:14:07	mingdao	Did that give you:  :: qemu-full and qemu-desktop are in conflict (qemu). Remove qemu-desktop?    ?
2022-06-28 02:14:48	mingdao	Dotz0cat: How long since you ran `pacman -Syu`?  Might start by updating your system.
2022-06-28 02:14:56	Hello71	my guess is pacman -Syu qemu-full will fix it
2022-06-28 02:15:32	Scimmia	Always fully update
2022-06-28 02:15:36	Dotz0cat	only gave me qemu-full and qemu are in conflict
2022-06-28 02:18:56	mingdao	Dotz0cat: That is just the first decision for you to make.
2022-06-28 02:19:28	mingdao	Dotz0cat: Try pressing y for Yes.
2022-06-28 02:20:18	mingdao	After pacman checks for conflicting dependencies you will get more output, and a new decision to make.
2022-06-28 02:22:41	Dotz0cat	I am currently running -Syu
2022-06-28 02:32:41	topcat001	!give Arsimael doesn't work
2022-06-28 02:32:42	phrik	Arsimael: "Does not work?" means nothing. Why doesn't it work? Are there any error messages?
2022-06-28 02:32:51	topcat001	helps to be specific
2022-06-28 02:37:51	Forsaken87	hey. I could use some help recovering my arch installation from a failed update. I booted from livecd and I am trying to do a "pacman --sysroot /mnt -Suy" resulting in PGP key errors :/
2022-06-28 02:38:45	Forsaken87	Already tried "gpg --refresh-keys" "pacman-keys --refresh-keys" and updating the "archlinux-keyring" and gnome keyring packages without any success
2022-06-28 02:46:28	Hello71	Dotz0cat: smells like you have IgnorePkg = qemu
2022-06-28 02:46:35	Hello71	or similar
2022-06-28 02:46:44	Hello71	also !errors
2022-06-28 02:47:15	Hello71	Forsaken87: the easiest solution is probably to download a new archiso
2022-06-28 02:47:38	Hello71	also...
2022-06-28 02:47:41	Hello71	!errors
2022-06-28 02:47:42	phrik	Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2022-06-28 02:47:45	Forsaken87	Hello71: I am running the latest iso I downloaded like 30 minutes ago
2022-06-28 02:47:54	Hello71	!ix
2022-06-28 02:47:55	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-06-28 02:53:56	Forsaken87	Hello71: Before I got a "Import PGP key [...]?" which resulted in "error: key [...] could not be looked up remotely". Since then I added a keyserver (keyserver.ubuntu.com) to the "/etc/pacman.d/gnupg/gpg.conf" as described here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Cannot_import_keys
2022-06-28 02:53:58	phrik	Title: pacman/Package signing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-28 02:54:34	Forsaken87	Now I get "File [...] is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature))"
2022-06-28 02:57:49	Scimmia	Forsaken87: update archlinux-keyring first
2022-06-28 02:58:03	Scimmia	Then update the system more often
2022-06-28 02:58:14	Forsaken87	I did
2022-06-28 02:58:22	Forsaken87	(update archlinux-keyring)
2022-06-28 02:58:49	Scimmia	Oh Iso. Missed that
2022-06-28 02:58:59	Forsaken87	And yeah I know. Reviving my work laptop after like 15 month working from home exclusively xD
2022-06-28 02:59:57	Scimmia	What you posted isn't the error. That's before that
2022-06-28 03:00:43	Forsaken87	Scimmia: something about marginal/unknown trust I think, one sec
2022-06-28 03:01:28	Forsaken87	nevermind, managed to force it with a temporary "SigLevel = Never" :D
2022-06-28 03:01:55	Forsaken87	I know, not ideal, but for that one-time fix I'll live with it
2022-06-28 03:02:15	Forsaken87	gotta get to bed ;)
2022-06-28 03:09:05	Forsaken87	wahhhh now the system fails to load kernel modules and as a result to mount /boot -.-
2022-06-28 03:15:28	jenia2	How do you see if a packet is going through a specific bridge you just created? I usually use `route..` but it looks like it's not available on arhclinux
2022-06-28 03:15:30	jenia2	what do you use?
2022-06-28 03:16:52	SponiX	jenia2: I would probably still use "route" then :)
2022-06-28 03:17:34	jenia2	lol ok. you know off the top of your mind what pacakge contains it?
2022-06-28 03:17:45	tirnanog	jenia2: it's available as net-tools but, anyway, https://www.baturin.org/docs/iproute2/.
2022-06-28 03:17:46	phrik	Title: Task-centered iproute2 user guide (at www.baturin.org)
2022-06-28 03:18:09	mingdao	jenia2: core/net-tools
2022-06-28 03:18:25	mingdao	jenia2: pacman -Fy route
2022-06-28 03:18:33	jenia2	yes found it. I'm running manjaro on my VM so it's akward lol
2022-06-28 03:18:34	jenia2	thanks!!
2022-06-28 03:18:47	mingdao	!give jenia2 rules
2022-06-28 03:18:47	phrik	jenia2: https://coc.archlinux.org
2022-06-28 03:19:29	mingdao	!give jenia2 manjaro
2022-06-28 03:19:30	phrik	jenia2: manjaro does things differently from arch, so we can't really support it. ask in #manjaro on freenode.net, or in #manjaro or #linux on libera.chat
2022-06-28 03:20:16	jenia2	yes. thanks what I understood. I think I'll use soemthing else on my VM because it's not so awesome this Manjaro thing. It has too many features like offering me suggestion in the terminal that are misleading
2022-06-28 03:21:03	topcat001	a wise decision :)
2022-06-28 03:21:09	jenia2	but the good part is that I understood how to configure systemd-networkd to have a bridge and for my packets on the ethernet card to go through the bridge :)
2022-06-28 03:22:13	jenia2	I'm do that on my actual PC to route those packets to my VM where I'll start building things like kubernetes, podman, CI/CD... and then I'll become a billionaire by knowing both software development and devops really well
2022-06-28 03:22:50	jenia2	All i want is to buy an awesome two purpose bike and to ride to the south pole from Montreal :P I'll donate everything else that I don't need
2022-06-28 03:22:51	jenia2	:D
2022-06-28 03:24:52	Forsaken87	ah, makes sense. when doing a "pacman --sysroot /mnt -Suy" one should also mount the boot partition to allow writing the new initfs
2022-06-28 03:27:26	Scimmia	mingdao: would you please stop telling people to do partial upgrade?
2022-06-28 03:31:02	jkc	jenia2: You should be using 'ip route,' not 'route.'
2022-06-28 03:31:19	jkc	net-tools have been deprecated for... uh, over a decade, now?
2022-06-28 03:31:26	jkc	2009 or something?
2022-06-28 03:36:06	Scimmia	mingdao: sorry, nevermind, I misread the buffer
2022-06-28 03:37:45	mingdao	Scimmia: no worries, mate
2022-06-28 03:38:40	Scimmia	I'm trying to figure out why my mobile client split things like that :(
2022-06-28 03:38:48	Scimmia	it shows fine on desktop
2022-06-28 04:28:19	Garb0	https://imgur.com/aziZxMR.png
2022-06-28 04:28:21	Garb0	how
2022-06-28 04:28:35	thurstylark	compression :D
2022-06-28 04:29:03	Garb0	I'd believe it if it was 100->300 or so
2022-06-28 04:29:07	Garb0	the hell
2022-06-28 04:29:34	jenia2	jkc: thanks!! Yes, I tried that an confirmed thta my packets are not going through the br lol I'll redo everything tomorrow and come back with more precise and informed questions
2022-06-28 04:29:39	jenia2	and*
2022-06-28 04:29:53	jenia2	by "br" is mean bridge
2022-06-28 04:31:54	Betal	Garb0: almost all the size are the .sla files in "usr/share/rizin/plugins/rz_ghidra_sleigh/", if you open any, you will notice a giant repetition of xml tags
2022-06-28 04:34:40	Garb0	oh so that's it
2022-06-28 04:34:42	Garb0	thanks Betal 
2022-06-28 04:54:36	Edu4rdSHL	Garb0, zstd magic
2022-06-28 05:35:48	xecuter	hi, someone knows "xboxdrv" and can help for xbox 360 wireless controller? :-o
2022-06-28 09:30:30	susi	if I do `ps u`, what processes will it display? it seems to display part of processes run by my user, but which set is this
2022-06-28 09:31:14	jelle	"but which set is this"?
2022-06-28 09:32:04	susi	it's not all processes by my user, so what set of processes run by my user that is? 
2022-06-28 09:32:22	jelle	susi: how did you verify it wasn't?
2022-06-28 09:32:37	susi	by running ps -u $USER
2022-06-28 09:32:45	susi	also I can see there are not all of them
2022-06-28 09:32:58	jelle	because they are threads?
2022-06-28 09:33:13	susi	for example none of firefox processes is present
2022-06-28 09:34:41	susi	and I'd expect at least the main process 'firefox' be shown
2022-06-28 09:35:54	jelle	susi: sounds like you are going to make a bug report against procps-ng :)
2022-06-28 09:37:35	CarloWood	susi: It seems that it shows those processes that have a tty attached.
2022-06-28 09:40:26	CarloWood	daniel:~>ps u | wc --lines
2022-06-28 09:40:26	CarloWood	20
2022-06-28 09:40:26	CarloWood	daniel:~>ps ux | egrep '(tty[0-9]|pts/[0-9])' | wc --lines
2022-06-28 09:40:26	CarloWood	20
2022-06-28 09:42:16	susi	nais
2022-06-28 09:46:07	susi	but why's your egrep not shown in ps ux listing
2022-06-28 09:48:38	susi	`man ps` about x explains this difference
2022-06-28 09:48:56	susi	>Lift the BSD-style "must have a tty" restriction, which is imposed upon the set of all processes when some BSD-style (without "-") options are used or when the ps personality setting is BSD-like. 
2022-06-28 09:48:56	CarloWood	because '[' doesn't match [0-9]
2022-06-28 09:50:07	CarloWood	And it doesn't have a tty, has pipes as I/O
2022-06-28 09:50:15	susi	CarloWood: but if I do ps ux | grep -E '(pts/[0-9]|tty[0-9])', it's show as it has pts/0
2022-06-28 09:52:16	CarloWood	Oh right
2022-06-28 09:52:33	CarloWood	The egrep gets added, and the header is removed.
2022-06-28 09:52:52	susi	ah rite, the header
2022-06-28 09:54:33	CarloWood	<susi> but why's your egrep not shown in ps ux listing  <-- if you ask a question like that, I am assuming you are right :p
2022-06-28 09:55:41	susi	didn't remember the header, just compared the lines =)
2022-06-28 09:56:07	susi	my bad
2022-06-28 09:57:39	CarloWood	Nah, I was just mad at myself for answering with a guess.
2022-06-28 09:58:58	susi	we both learnt something
2022-06-28 10:00:06	CarloWood	What I really want to learn is where there is complete documentation of the API of libdrm online :/.
2022-06-28 10:02:16	CarloWood	Hmm, I think this is it: https://dri.freedesktop.org/docs/drm/gpu/drm-uapi.html
2022-06-28 10:02:17	phrik	Title: Userland interfaces — The Linux Kernel documentation (at dri.freedesktop.org)
2022-06-28 10:04:55	CarloWood	It starts with "Cover generic ioctls and sysfs layout here. We only need high-level info, since man pages should cover the rest."  lol... yeah right.
2022-06-28 10:06:12	HuntsMan	CarloWood: I told you to ask the mesa/drm people, why are you even asking in this channel? We are not drm/mesa specialists
2022-06-28 10:10:15	_________	CarloWood: you found link to DRM api docs that kernel provides, it's not libdrm api; libdrm is used to "simplify" kernel interface and you can find libdrm api documentation at: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/drm/-/tree/main/man (click on rst files and gitlab will render them for you)
2022-06-28 10:10:17	phrik	Title: man · main · Mesa / drm · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2022-06-28 10:11:26	susi	sad story.. https://dri.freedesktop.org/docs/drm/firmware-guide/acpi/osi.html
2022-06-28 10:11:27	phrik	Title: ACPI _OSI and _REV methods — The Linux Kernel documentation (at dri.freedesktop.org)
2022-06-28 10:17:32	CarloWood	_________: Ah ok - but those are also 'man pages', that I already have. They are very very incomplete imho.
2022-06-28 10:18:38	_________	yeah
2022-06-28 11:37:56	Isaac_S	Hi, I've started using fbterm and the text looks are garbeled, none of the characters are nice clean shapes and there's a few characters with random pixels at the edges of the character itself. This is with a new install of fbterm. Should I just try and change the font? If so, any recommendations? Thanks
2022-06-28 12:06:47	Abrax	well there goes the matrix
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2022-06-28 13:01:46	Foxboron	Whats the most reliable way for me to figure out if I'm in a container or not? I see people mention /proc/1/cgroup but seems like these do not really give the information anymore?
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2022-06-28 13:04:34	birkoff	tmux sessions that are run from a lightdm desktop session gets lost when logging out/restarting lightdm
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2022-06-28 21:44:37	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-06-28 21:44:37	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1395 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1394 normals)
2022-06-28 18:06:04	quitman	hmm wait, Not it say GLIBCXX_3.4.30 not found. what package includes that?
2022-06-28 18:06:18	Namarrgon	is this arch linux?
2022-06-28 18:06:22	quitman	yes.
2022-06-28 18:06:34	quitman	now it say*
2022-06-28 18:06:42	Namarrgon	what says that?
2022-06-28 18:06:55	quitman	"$(which ninja)" --version
2022-06-28 18:07:02	Namarrgon	"type ninja"
2022-06-28 18:07:08	Namarrgon	"type -a ninja"
2022-06-28 18:07:18	frostwork	"which ninja"
2022-06-28 18:07:29	frostwork	maybe same self rolled ninja in a different path
2022-06-28 18:07:50	quitman	/usr/bin/ninja
2022-06-28 18:07:58	Namarrgon	is your system up to date?
2022-06-28 18:08:13	quitman	Hm, no i dont think so. Maybe that's it? :P
2022-06-28 18:08:33	Namarrgon	probably, arch doesn't support partial updates
2022-06-28 18:08:40	quitman	alright
2022-06-28 18:09:02	quitman	i'll upgrade. thanks anyway :)
2022-06-28 18:09:10	frostwork	why anyway?
2022-06-28 18:09:11	Namarrgon	anyway?
2022-06-28 18:09:13	frostwork	hrhr
2022-06-28 18:09:35	quitman	rawr
2022-06-28 18:22:32	Foxboron	==> Making package: vim 9.0.0000-1 (Tue 28 Jun 2022 06:22:21 PM CEST)
2022-06-28 18:22:34	Foxboron	lets go
2022-06-28 18:23:25	Namarrgon	have mercy, i haven't even fixed my broken configs from the previous update
2022-06-28 18:24:19	Foxboron	Namarrgon: Pray vim doesn't build then
2022-06-28 18:24:23	Foxboron	Quickly!
2022-06-28 18:25:05	Foxboron	I cant really even see if there is anything wrong. The vim test suite fucks up the terminal
2022-06-28 18:25:38	jelle	neovim <3
2022-06-28 18:29:03	Namarrgon	oh, right, it now comes with vim9 script
2022-06-28 18:29:13	Namarrgon	rip the rest of my configs
2022-06-28 18:29:39	nijj	jelle emacs <3
2022-06-28 18:29:50	jelle	Namarrgon: lol
2022-06-28 18:30:23	Foxboron	Hmmmmm
2022-06-28 18:30:28	Foxboron	Namarrgon: i think it built properly
2022-06-28 18:35:26	another	Foxboron! \o/ 
2022-06-28 18:35:32	another	How's the new job?
2022-06-28 18:36:03	Foxboron	another: No new job before August
2022-06-28 18:36:09	another	ah
2022-06-28 18:38:35	Namarrgon	Foxboron: push it!
2022-06-28 18:38:42	Foxboron	Namarrgon: DINNER
2022-06-28 18:38:53	Foxboron	I'll push vim9 then head for vacation
2022-06-28 18:39:02	Foxboron	Leave you pesky mortals with the consequences of my actions
2022-06-28 18:39:40	Namarrgon	i can't blame you :)
2022-06-28 18:48:17	Arsimael	Morning. 
2022-06-28 18:49:04	Arsimael	Anyone experiencing trouble with Steams' Proton lately? For some reason I can't run any game anymore which requires DX11 and later
2022-06-28 18:49:20	Namarrgon	do you have amdvlk installed?
2022-06-28 18:49:35	Arsimael	yep
2022-06-28 18:49:37	Namarrgon	get rid of it
2022-06-28 18:49:51	Namarrgon	you don't need it and you don't want it
2022-06-28 18:51:12	Namarrgon	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/75154
2022-06-28 18:51:13	phrik	Title: FS#75154 : amdvlk-2022.Q2.3-1-x86_64 / lib32-amdvlk-2022.Q2.3-1-x86_64 break steam (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-06-28 18:51:16	Arsimael	what the. actual. fuck. - I am searching my ass off for three days because of thsi problem...
2022-06-28 18:51:24	Arsimael	and it works...
2022-06-28 18:52:20	Arsimael	Additional info: this is using the kde desktop on wayland <-- this 
2022-06-28 18:52:26	Arsimael	So many thanks to you
2022-06-28 18:53:09	another	err. muxer
2022-06-28 18:53:50	another	argh. wrong buffer
2022-06-28 18:54:10	gehidore	what I find interesting is that it breaks kde on wayland but not kde on x11 but doesn't break in sway for me
2022-06-28 18:54:45	gehidore	re steam
2022-06-28 18:55:04	another	isn't radv faster than amdvlk anyway?
2022-06-28 18:55:31	Namarrgon	yeah, it's less buggy, too
2022-06-28 18:55:59	demonicmaniac1	hip stuff probably requires amdvlk though?
2022-06-28 18:57:31	Namarrgon	is hip tied to vulkan?
2022-06-28 18:57:37	tirnanog	some games do, I've been told. no man's sky is one I saw being discussed a few days ago.
2022-06-28 18:58:53	tirnanog	but, for those, I suppose you could override the implementation by customising the launch options in steam.
2022-06-28 18:59:43	frostwork	didn't play it long but no mans sky worked fine (in vr) last time I tried on amd using radv
2022-06-28 18:59:55	Namarrgon	if amdvlk is installed it is preferred by the vulkan loader, it comes before radv in the alphabetically sorted listed
2022-06-28 19:00:13	Namarrgon	*list
2022-06-28 19:01:03	tirnanog	if someone finds that they need amdvlk for a given game, they could, say, override the default implementation to be radv in pam_env and make the exception in steam otherwise.
2022-06-28 19:01:41	frostwork	AMD_VULKAN_ICD variable should cover that
2022-06-28 19:01:44	tirnanog	right.
2022-06-28 19:01:51	Arsimael	Currently there is no radv or amdvlk installed and my games run
2022-06-28 19:01:52	frostwork	I doubt that you need it for any game
2022-06-28 19:02:01	Namarrgon	demonicmaniac1: hip seems to depend on rocm, which is tied to the proprietary driver anyway
2022-06-28 19:02:04	tirnanog	ok. need of the two vulkan implementations then.
2022-06-28 19:02:13	another	!aw vulkan
2022-06-28 19:02:14	phrik	another: Vulkan - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Vulkan
2022-06-28 19:02:14	demonicmaniac1	hmhm
2022-06-28 19:02:31	tirnanog	the person I was talking to said that the game failed to launch with radv. I was in no position to personally verify it, presumably, that was the case for them.
2022-06-28 19:03:41	Namarrgon	do you remember which game that was?
2022-06-28 19:04:38	tirnanog	they said it was no man's sky.
2022-06-28 19:04:54	tirnanog	I don't know what card though. it wasn't brought up.
2022-06-28 19:05:33	Arsimael	amdvlk wasn't responsible for the latest KDE Bugs on my end... sadly
2022-06-28 19:05:46	Namarrgon	they were possibly using the radeon driver instead of amdgpu
2022-06-28 19:06:18	Namarrgon	though then amdvlk shouldn't have helped either
2022-06-28 19:06:20	frostwork	just launched NMS. still works fine
2022-06-28 19:41:48	Arsimael	interesting. removing amdvlk changed my FPS 
2022-06-28 19:53:33	frostwork	Arsimael, you might be interested in this benchmark article: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=radv-amdvlk-mid22
2022-06-28 19:53:35	phrik	Title: Mesa's RADV Radeon Vulkan Driver Continues Outperforming AMDVLK For RDNA2 Linux Gaming - Phoronix (at www.phoronix.com)
2022-06-28 19:55:07	artefact	you can have both installed and switch which is used with an environment variable, afaik
2022-06-28 19:55:21	artefact	but if you just want to game, you don't really need to have both
2022-06-28 20:10:42	Arsimael	is radv a part of mesa? the only "radv" I can find is in aur
2022-06-28 20:11:22	another	!give Arsimael aw vulkan
2022-06-28 20:11:23	phrik	Arsimael: Vulkan - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Vulkan
2022-06-28 20:11:53	Arsimael	ash nvm. I have radv installed
2022-06-28 20:14:07	Tom^	Arsimael: yeah its part of mesa
2022-06-28 20:15:28	Arsimael	From 130fps to 175 fps... nice
2022-06-28 20:15:58	raster	not enough frames! moar frames! moooar!
2022-06-28 20:16:27	Arsimael	thats the refresh rate of my monitor. so I am fine with it. 
2022-06-28 20:22:52	JakLareo	this may be silly to share, but I just got my first Arch server VM up and running, and I'm quite happy it seems to be working smoothly
2022-06-28 20:23:00	gehidore	spiffy
2022-06-28 20:23:04	gehidore	welcome to the cult
2022-06-28 20:23:10	gehidore	I mean, good work!
2022-06-28 20:23:52	JakLareo	lol, thanks!
2022-06-28 20:29:49	Foxboron	Bois! Vim9 in testing
2022-06-28 20:31:57	gehidore	gross
2022-06-28 20:38:20	Foxboron	You touch it you keep it
2022-06-28 20:38:25	Foxboron	If you break it, you get to keep the pieces
2022-06-28 20:44:14	mingdao	JakLareo: congrats
2022-06-28 20:44:40	mingdao	Foxboron: What new features would we get?
2022-06-28 20:45:10	Foxboron	Vim is developed in a weird way so most likely you have everything new in vim9 already
2022-06-28 20:45:50	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL ~~Use Neovim~~~
2022-06-28 20:46:02	Edu4rdSHL	Bad formatting :(
2022-06-28 20:46:11	Foxboron	Sir, this is IRC
2022-06-28 20:46:26	artefact	maybe you need to go to the M-x doctor
2022-06-28 20:49:18	lf94	kakoune > *
2022-06-28 20:50:51	gehidore	notepad.exe
2022-06-28 20:51:37	Edu4rdSHL	edit.exe
2022-06-28 20:52:22	lf94	cat
2022-06-28 21:00:10	⚡ 	ramblebamble meawos and fawns at lf94
2022-06-28 21:00:39	user9d	how do simulate/dryrun a pacman uninstall?
2022-06-28 21:00:54	user9d	(ie. of a specific package)
2022-06-28 21:01:40	mefistofeles	it should ask for a confirmation, I'm not sure there's a dryrun option
2022-06-28 21:02:54	mpan	user9d: define “dry run” in the case of pacman. It’s a bit ambiguous, considering that the installation consists of multiple steps, some of which are mutating and that modification is required for later steps, and that some operations (hooks) may call third-party code that has no dry-run mode.
2022-06-28 21:03:17	mpan	user9d: even better, tell what is the actual purpose of that operation.
2022-06-28 21:05:42	user9d	everyone: mpan: this is exactly what I want:   pacman --uninstall kate #and show me the other packages it uninstalls.
2022-06-28 21:06:07	user9d	and exit
2022-06-28 21:06:09	mpan	user9d: `pacman -R kate` uninstalls only kate.
2022-06-28 21:07:09	user9d	so what if I `pacman --install kate` and it installed 10+ packages. Wouldn't `pacman --uninstall kate` also get rid of its packages it installed initially?
2022-06-28 21:07:16	Edu4rdSHL	No
2022-06-28 21:07:18	artefact	you want -Rs
2022-06-28 21:07:20	Edu4rdSHL	Use pacman -Rs
2022-06-28 21:07:49	mpan	And if you do -Rs, it will tell you which packages are uninstalled and ask for confirmation.
2022-06-28 21:08:19	user9d	oh goodness a huge wall of text on the man page for the '--sync -s' option
2022-06-28 21:08:23	⚡ 	gehidore is horrible and always adds n and says yolo
2022-06-28 21:08:24	Edu4rdSHL	If you want to goeven further and remove modified config files, use -Rns
2022-06-28 21:08:43	Edu4rdSHL	gehidore, you aren't alone, I always -Rns
2022-06-28 21:08:46	⚡ 	mpan is also an -Rsn person.
2022-06-28 21:09:01	susi	me too
2022-06-28 21:09:09	mpan	If I need config files to stay, I have them in my backups already.
2022-06-28 21:09:30	demonicmaniac1	rncs ftw :P just make sure you install shit you want to keep explicitly
2022-06-28 21:09:41	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL is also the alias u='pacman -Syu --noconfirm' person
2022-06-28 21:09:51	mpan	AAAAAAAAAAAAA
2022-06-28 21:09:52	Edu4rdSHL	rncs is invalid
2022-06-28 21:09:55	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-06-28 21:10:02	mefistofeles	gotta hate all the letters no words :P
2022-06-28 21:10:07	Edu4rdSHL	And -Rncs is dangerous
2022-06-28 21:10:19	mpan	I was using -Rscn too, but I was convinced not to by #archlinux. #archlinux is smart.
2022-06-28 21:10:57	mefistofeles	mpan: good one! haha
2022-06-28 21:11:22	susi	and I thought I was a gambler
2022-06-28 21:11:36	demonicmaniac1	Edu4rdSHL: i mean you obviously look what it would uninstall. it doesn't break systems though worst case it unintalls way too much
2022-06-28 21:12:22	Edu4rdSHL	Uninstall too much that does break the system :p
2022-06-28 21:15:47	gehidore	but cascade is sooo much fun
2022-06-28 21:16:38	mpan	They left.
2022-06-28 21:16:46	mpan	#archlinux is a scary place.
2022-06-28 21:16:51	Edu4rdSHL	yes | pacman -Rnsc $target
2022-06-28 21:16:56	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL runs
2022-06-28 21:32:08	pro	hi, does non-root user need special permissions for accessing usb webcams?
2022-06-28 21:32:49	Edu4rdSHL	Have you read the archwiki?
2022-06-28 21:32:53	pro	yes
2022-06-28 21:33:04	Edu4rdSHL	So?
2022-06-28 21:33:09	Edu4rdSHL	What's the problem?
2022-06-28 21:34:11	pro	line #1 Most probably your webcam will work out of the box. Permissions to access video devices (e.g. /dev/video0) are handled by udev, there is no configuration necessary. here is the problem
2022-06-28 21:34:36	Edu4rdSHL	I don't see any problem there
2022-06-28 21:34:50	jelle	pro: for what program?
2022-06-28 21:34:56	pro	$ v4l2-ctl --list-devices
2022-06-28 21:34:57	pro	Failed to open /dev/video0: Permission denied
2022-06-28 21:34:59	jelle	Edu4rdSHL: there was no problem stated :P
2022-06-28 21:35:08	pro	jelle: here's the problem
2022-06-28 21:35:14	Edu4rdSHL	jelle, there was
2022-06-28 21:35:21	jelle	Edu4rdSHL: lies :)
2022-06-28 21:35:23	pro	Edu4rdSHL: there is a problem
2022-06-28 21:35:39	Edu4rdSHL	jelle, can you read "here is the problem"? 
2022-06-28 21:35:47	jelle	....
2022-06-28 21:35:57	pro	so there's no problem ?
2022-06-28 21:36:39	Edu4rdSHL	If your user part of the video group?
2022-06-28 21:37:09	pro	no
2022-06-28 21:37:10	Exa	Hi, how are official packages built?  Latest PKGBUILD of firefox package (from today) is not buildable with latest cbindgen, but cbindgen was updated three weeks ago (it requires a patch when using cbindgen 0.24+).  I'm wondering if the firefox package could have been built with older build dependencies.  Thanks.
2022-06-28 21:37:18	jelle	pro: how do you login?
2022-06-28 21:37:38	jelle	Edu4rdSHL: that should be handled by logind
2022-06-28 21:37:38	pro	jelle: as user over ssh
2022-06-28 21:37:50	jelle	pro: that's the problem most likely
2022-06-28 21:38:12	pro	jelle: so I can't access web cams connected to my server??
2022-06-28 21:38:19	⚡ 	jelle facepalms
2022-06-28 21:38:21	pro	just perfect
2022-06-28 21:38:31	pro	where in the wiki was I supposed to read that :(
2022-06-28 21:38:44	jelle	pro: stop being silly :)
2022-06-28 21:38:57	pro	jelle: I'm just depressed
2022-06-28 21:39:12	jelle	pro: then add your user to the video group and re-login over ssh
2022-06-28 21:39:13	CarloWood	I am more depressed
2022-06-28 21:39:30	jelle	pro: for standard logins logind handles this stuff, what you are doing is a special case
2022-06-28 21:40:22	⚡ 	pro is googling logind
2022-06-28 21:41:00	jelle	pro: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-logind.service.html
2022-06-28 21:41:02	phrik	Title: systemd-logind.service (at www.freedesktop.org)
2022-06-28 21:41:44	jelle	anyway not relevant :
2022-06-28 21:42:05	pro	It's fixed now, and I am happy now
2022-06-28 21:42:08	pro	thank you jelle 
2022-06-28 21:42:25	jelle	np
2022-06-28 21:44:28	CarloWood	After daaaaay of hacking, I thought I was finally there - but now drmWaitVBlank return EPERM :(
2022-06-28 21:44:34	CarloWood	returns*
2022-06-28 21:44:41	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-06-28 21:44:45	CarloWood	Also when run as root :-/
2022-06-28 21:47:12	Warepire	Are you sure it's returning an errno? EPERM is usually 1 (or -1 for -EPERM)
2022-06-28 21:47:35	CarloWood	It returns -1 and errno is set to 97 (that is EPERM, right?)
2022-06-28 21:47:46	Hello71	EAFNOSUPPORT 97 Address family not supported by protocol
2022-06-28 21:47:47	◣	himselforama (~jay@corellia.space) ha salido (Quit: himselforama)
2022-06-28 21:48:13	CarloWood	Well, that was just from my head... 
2022-06-28 21:48:20	CarloWood	failed with error 1: Operation not permitted
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2022-06-28 21:48:36	⚡ 	Warepire has this bookmarked always: https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/include/uapi/asm-generic/errno.h
2022-06-28 21:48:46	CarloWood	That one is just minus what it returned (-1)
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2022-06-28 21:49:37	Hello71	i use moreutils errno
2022-06-28 21:50:24	CarloWood	Where can I find drivers/gpu/drm/drm_irq.c online from the kernel sources? 
2022-06-28 21:50:27	Hello71	i vaguely recall that the values are not exactly the same on all architectures
2022-06-28 21:50:47	Hello71	https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+source+code
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2022-06-28 21:51:16	CarloWood	Oh
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2022-06-28 21:51:18	CarloWood	/usr/include/asm-generic/errno-base.h:#define   EPERM            1      /* Operation not permitted */
2022-06-28 21:51:36	CarloWood	I guess it's not EPERM then :/ ... I'm confusing the returned 1.
2022-06-28 21:53:40	◣	Booni (~kvirc@c117-120.i13-30.melita.com) ha salido (Client Quit)
2022-06-28 21:53:50	mpan	Warepire: I do not know about that particular function, but EPERM may be returned by many calls even when running as root. Being a root does not automatically means you have absolute access to any possible resource that any possible function may call.
2022-06-28 21:53:58	CarloWood	modeset failed with error 95: Operation not supported
2022-06-28 21:54:00	mpan	To start with: it’s a *local* root.
2022-06-28 21:54:04	CarloWood	Yeah, it was 95.
2022-06-28 21:54:17	Warepire	mpan: Of course, but it's a mistake I see super-frequently.
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2022-06-28 21:54:40	mpan	I know, but I would also not completely exclude the possibility that is not EPERM.
2022-06-28 21:54:55	mpan	*that is EPERM
2022-06-28 21:55:20	mpan	Sent me to a few unnecessary journeys myself. :P
2022-06-28 21:55:24	Warepire	Hence why I asked instead of immediately assuming they were wrong.
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2022-06-28 22:06:56	CarloWood	I suppose this is what I get no? https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/gpu/drm/drm_vblank.c#L1761
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2022-06-28 22:07:58	Warepire	If you get errno==95, then it could be  that check failing.
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2022-06-28 22:10:28	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 967 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 966 normals)
2022-06-28 22:10:34	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-28 22:13:38	CarloWood	Hmm, my guess is that the nvidia drivers aren't calling drm_vblank_init; which is possible because nvidia isn't using the KMS, but implemented their own :/.
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2022-06-29 00:31:13	Elodin	I have a laptop that's been experiencing shitty wifi experience, so i bought a new wifi dongle and i would like to know how to drop the internal wireless chip for the external?
2022-06-29 01:57:00	heat	Trying to update my system
2022-06-29 01:57:11	heat	got a bunch of errors like "npm: /usr/lib/node_modules/npm/node_modules/@npmcli/fs/lib/common/owner-sync.js exists in filesystem"
2022-06-29 01:57:24	heat	could any npm wizards give a hand?
2022-06-29 01:59:39	heat	hrm is it possible I updated npm within npm 
2022-06-29 02:01:31	heat	guess so, I ended up overwriting everything
2022-06-29 02:02:01	HuntsMan	heat: you did that as root?
2022-06-29 02:02:07	heat	yes
2022-06-29 02:02:13	HuntsMan	bad idea :)
2022-06-29 02:02:18	heat	well, did what?
2022-06-29 02:02:36	HuntsMan	update npm with npm as root
2022-06-29 02:02:41	heat	i dunno
2022-06-29 02:02:46	heat	I rarely use npm
2022-06-29 02:02:51	heat	must've accidentally done that I guess
2022-06-29 02:03:16	heat	well, now I know not to use root with npm :)
2022-06-29 02:03:21	heat	thanks
2022-06-29 02:35:13	Edu4rdSHL	HuntsMan, --overwrite='/usr/lib/node_modules/*'
2022-06-29 02:58:34	jb1277976	anyone know of a good pdf viewer that can browse multiple pdfs in a folder? looking for a gui app
2022-06-29 03:07:26	demonicmaniac1	your browser
2022-06-29 03:21:11	jenia2	Hello
2022-06-29 03:21:20	thurstylark	!welcomerpg
2022-06-29 03:21:21	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux - How can we help you?
2022-06-29 03:21:29	jenia2	What does the 20 stand for in 20-wired.network in the systemd-networkd system?
2022-06-29 03:22:09	thurstylark	jenia2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexicographic_order
2022-06-29 03:22:10	phrik	Title: Lexicographic order - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2022-06-29 03:22:33	thurstylark	it's forcing the ordering that the config files are read
2022-06-29 03:22:34	jenia2	that's it?
2022-06-29 03:22:37	jenia2	gotcha!
2022-06-29 03:22:38	jenia2	thanks!
2022-06-29 03:22:42	thurstylark	np :)
2022-06-29 03:25:24	jenia2	I expected the bridge to get an IP from the router but it's just now
2022-06-29 03:25:28	jenia2	http://pastie.org/p/6qOhKJPkVVsiJB7ZmzG2Xw
2022-06-29 03:25:29	phrik	Title: Pastie (at pastie.org)
2022-06-29 03:25:32	jenia2	any suggestions why not?
2022-06-29 03:26:08	jenia2	in the file /etc/systemd/network/br0.network, I tell it to get an IP with DHCP
2022-06-29 03:26:24	thurstylark	the full output from `ip a` would probably help here
2022-06-29 03:26:34	jenia2	I even tried setting `DHCP=yes`, same as for eno1
2022-06-29 03:26:37	jenia2	ok. one sec
2022-06-29 03:27:17	jenia2	http://pastie.org/p/30GeSlZiqDfKdnNQHPMxTp
2022-06-29 03:27:19	phrik	Title: Pastie (at pastie.org)
2022-06-29 03:27:27	thurstylark	full output is usually preferred whenever possible anyways :P
2022-06-29 03:27:48	thurstylark	Yeah, that's what I thought. eno1 isn't a part of your bridge
2022-06-29 03:28:21	jenia2	I can't get two IPs?
2022-06-29 03:28:24	jenia2	one for each?
2022-06-29 03:28:26	jenia2	lol
2022-06-29 03:28:30	jenia2	hahaha
2022-06-29 03:28:45	jenia2	ok. So I add eno1 to the bridge like this:
2022-06-29 03:28:50	thurstylark	I mean, is having 2 IPs your goal here?
2022-06-29 03:28:58	jenia2	why not?
2022-06-29 03:29:03	jenia2	ok. lets do it as everyone suggests
2022-06-29 03:29:16	thurstylark	I'm not saying it's impossible, i'm just saying that this isn't how you go about that
2022-06-29 03:29:22	jenia2	how do I add eno1 to br0?
2022-06-29 03:29:42	jenia2	in /etc/systemd/network/20-wired.network I set it to use br0 somehow?
2022-06-29 03:29:44	thurstylark	if that's what you're trying to do, then there are ways to do it. I can't advise you on what to fix if I don't know what you're trying to accomplish
2022-06-29 03:30:10	thurstylark	so what is your end goal here?
2022-06-29 03:30:37	jenia2	I want my VM to use the bridge br0 to get an IP from the router
2022-06-29 03:30:38	xecuter	huhu
2022-06-29 03:31:45	jenia2	sooo as I was told before, I need to add eno1 to the br0. I guess because br0 is a kind of a switch so it needs a port connected to the router which will be ens1
2022-06-29 03:31:59	thurstylark	what are you using for running your vm? Most of those utilities have ways of setting this up for you
2022-06-29 03:32:25	jenia2	thurstylark: virtual machine manager but also my goal is to learn networking
2022-06-29 03:32:28	jenia2	I'm soooo close. lol
2022-06-29 03:32:40	jenia2	Can you please tell me how do I add ens1 to the br0
2022-06-29 03:32:41	jenia2	:)
2022-06-29 03:32:42	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_bridge
2022-06-29 03:32:43	phrik	Title: Network bridge - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-29 03:33:14	jenia2	ip link set eno1 master bridge_name
2022-06-29 03:33:18	jenia2	ip link set eno1 master br0
2022-06-29 03:33:37	jenia2	but I think on restart, it'll like... that config won't "hold"
2022-06-29 03:33:37	thurstylark	scroll down. there's a link to the systemd-networkd way to do this
2022-06-29 03:33:41	jenia2	oh
2022-06-29 03:33:49	thurstylark	in this case, you're looking for this section https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-networkd#Bind_Ethernet_to_bridge
2022-06-29 03:33:50	phrik	Title: systemd-networkd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-29 03:34:34	jenia2	I already have that: 
2022-06-29 03:34:41	jenia2	/etc/systemd/network/bind.network
2022-06-29 03:34:43	jenia2	[Match]
2022-06-29 03:34:44	jenia2	Name=eno1
2022-06-29 03:34:46	jenia2	[Network]
2022-06-29 03:34:47	jenia2	Bridge=br0
2022-06-29 03:34:51	jenia2	look: http://pastie.org/p/6qOhKJPkVVsiJB7ZmzG2Xw
2022-06-29 03:34:52	phrik	Title: Pastie (at pastie.org)
2022-06-29 03:35:30	thurstylark	yeah, I saw that. but you have a conflicting .network configuration for eno1 that sets DHCP=yes in the [Network] section
2022-06-29 03:35:54	jenia2	ok ok. so I remove /etc/systemd/network/20-wired.network?
2022-06-29 03:36:01	thurstylark	that's what I'd start with, yes
2022-06-29 03:36:10	jenia2	ok. thanks thurstylark
2022-06-29 03:36:17	jenia2	if I don't come back soon my network is down
2022-06-29 03:36:18	jenia2	lol
2022-06-29 03:36:20	jenia2	:) :)
2022-06-29 03:36:28	jenia2	thanks kindly for the help!!
2022-06-29 03:36:34	thurstylark	np :)
2022-06-29 03:39:17	jenia2	that didn't work
2022-06-29 03:39:39	jenia2	my eno1 card simply didn't get an IP
2022-06-29 03:39:51	sheep	the bridge should get the IP
2022-06-29 03:40:37	thurstylark	yeah, was it not clear that this was the goal?
2022-06-29 03:40:52	⚡ 	thurstylark is confusion
2022-06-29 03:42:27	jenia2	that didn't work
2022-06-29 03:42:33	jenia2	my eno1 card simply didn't get an IP
2022-06-29 03:42:40	thurstylark	yes, that is the intention, no?
2022-06-29 03:42:54	thurstylark	you want eno1 to be part of the bridge, and the bridge to get the IP
2022-06-29 03:43:02	jenia2	neither got an IP
2022-06-29 03:43:04	jenia2	one sec
2022-06-29 03:43:25	thurstylark	ahh, then the problem isn't that eno1 wasn't given an IP, but that the bridge didn't get an IP
2022-06-29 03:43:36	jenia2	http://pastie.org/p/2hDkmVpWLnmUZyzVH3DfgN
2022-06-29 03:43:37	phrik	Title: Pastie (at pastie.org)
2022-06-29 03:43:37	jenia2	yes
2022-06-29 03:43:49	thurstylark	shit's complicated, accuracy is important here :P
2022-06-29 03:44:01	jenia2	maybe I need to change DHCP=ipv4 to DHCP=yes
2022-06-29 03:44:10	jenia2	http://pastie.org/p/6qOhKJPkVVsiJB7ZmzG2Xw
2022-06-29 03:44:12	phrik	Title: Pastie (at pastie.org)
2022-06-29 03:44:29	thurstylark	I mean, those are pretty much the same thing, assuming that your dhcp server does v4 :P
2022-06-29 03:44:38	jenia2	ok
2022-06-29 03:44:48	jenia2	shit didn't work. I gave it a minute or so
2022-06-29 03:45:40	thurstylark	how did you test it? like, what did you do to apply the new config after changing it?
2022-06-29 03:45:56	jenia2	systemctl restart systemd-networkd
2022-06-29 03:46:36	jenia2	it immediately stopped working. then I reverted /etc/systemd/network/20-wired.network.bak to  /etc/systemd/network/20-wired.network, restarted systemd-networkd and internet came back\
2022-06-29 03:54:34	thurstylark	are you able to pass traffic to your network if you assign the bridge a static address?
2022-06-29 03:55:28	jenia2	I didn't try that yet]
2022-06-29 03:55:53	jenia2	but I think I'll continue tomorrow. I've been working at work and then on my home lab for 14 hours today
2022-06-29 03:55:54	jenia2	lol
2022-06-29 03:56:03	jenia2	time to knock back a cold one
2022-06-29 03:56:04	jenia2	:P
2022-06-29 03:56:43	thurstylark	no worries. breaks often reveal the answers anyways :P
2022-06-29 03:56:50	jenia2	yes!!
2022-06-29 03:57:06	jenia2	thanks thurstylark kindly for your help today!!!
2022-06-29 03:57:11	thurstylark	np :)
2022-06-29 04:04:21	xecuter	hlp me... xboxdrv.....360 wireless....dongle....  obi wan linux u lost hope.... what is the optimal "ExecStart..."? ;(((
2022-06-29 04:05:00	xecuter	just "xboxdrv --mimic-xpad-wireless" in terminal is  hmmm.... ok :-/
2022-06-29 04:05:26	sheep	ExecStart needs the full path to xboxdrv. Is it supposed to run as a regular user or as root?
2022-06-29 04:05:53	xecuter	i am user and root. but i am login as user
2022-06-29 04:05:57	thurstylark	the xboxdrv package in the aur ships its own service file...
2022-06-29 04:06:08	thurstylark	is that not sufficient?
2022-06-29 04:06:18	thurstylark	or not sufficient to copy?
2022-06-29 04:07:43	xecuter	ExecStart=/usr/bin/xboxdrv --daemon --detach --pid-file /run/xboxdrv.pid -c /etc/default/xboxdrv --detach-kernel-driver --deadzone 4000 --deadzone-trigger 10% .... is not ok. controller found, but i have no working  Back RED B button and so on...
2022-06-29 04:09:24	thurstylark	how are you testing it? 
2022-06-29 04:09:26	xecuter	what is annoying "--mimic-xpad-wireless"? i want that the dongle-receiver will not auto switch off. and just this shot mimic terminal command is ok, but just in terminal. i want it perm
2022-06-29 04:09:44	xecuter	i testing it in Need for Speed Hot Persude 2 in Steam
2022-06-29 04:10:29	thurstylark	did you change your config per the instructions on the wiki? 
2022-06-29 04:10:31	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Gamepad#xboxdrv
2022-06-29 04:10:32	phrik	Title: Gamepad - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-29 04:11:55	xecuter	joah but this wiki is not sooo good. i though i could need xone or xow, but 360 wireless is xboxdrv... so now i hope just need config execstart correctly
2022-06-29 04:12:21	thurstylark	what? I am having trouble making sense of what you're trying to say...
2022-06-29 04:13:48	xecuter	https://bpa.st/ZPPA that one of my config. so that works with connected controller, no auto shutdown receiver.... in kde joystick test the buttons ok. but so i have no red B back Button and so....
2022-06-29 04:13:48	phrik	Title: View paste ZPPA (at bpa.st)
2022-06-29 04:14:54	thurstylark	the config that I was referring to was the xboxdrv config, not the systemd service
2022-06-29 04:15:00	thurstylark	so post that instead
2022-06-29 04:17:04	xecuter	https://bpa.st/WNBA
2022-06-29 04:17:04	phrik	Title: View paste WNBA (at bpa.st)
2022-06-29 04:17:18	thurstylark	that's not what I asked for
2022-06-29 04:17:25	thurstylark	Post your xboxdrv config please
2022-06-29 04:18:03	thurstylark	I don't care about the service file. I want to see the contents of /etc/default/xboxdrv
2022-06-29 04:19:39	xecuter	https://bpa.st/XICA - $ cat /etc/default/xboxdrv
2022-06-29 04:19:39	phrik	Title: View paste XICA (at bpa.st)
2022-06-29 04:20:04	thurstylark	Yeah, you need to add the config changes from the wiki that I linked earlier. 
2022-06-29 04:20:15	thurstylark	They're specifically for the situation that you mentioned
2022-06-29 04:20:30	thurstylark	"If you have issues with the controller being recognized but not working in steam games or working but with incorrect mappings, it may be required to modify you configuration"
2022-06-29 04:22:28	xecuter	trigger-as-button commenting out and i have the same config as in wiki
2022-06-29 04:23:32	xecuter	Job for xboxdrv.service failed because a timeout was exceeded. .... one moment
2022-06-29 04:24:10	sheep	you should run it without --daemon but with Type=simple
2022-06-29 04:25:09	xecuter	sheep: do you mean Type=forking =>> Type=simple ?
2022-06-29 04:25:25	sheep	yes
2022-06-29 04:25:36	thurstylark	yeah, that's a weird decision, but tbf, that's consistent with the aur's version of the service file :|
2022-06-29 04:27:18	xecuter	ok service is restarted. now i try NFS :P plz hold da lin3
2022-06-29 04:29:09	xecuter	nop, so it not works with the buttons
2022-06-29 04:30:16	dviant	hello, I installed arch on a thinkpad x1 carbon. My volume controls aren't working. I'm using just alsa, no pulseaudio. when I try amixer set Master 10%+ it doesn't increase or decrease volume
2022-06-29 04:30:39	dviant	however, toggling mute/unmute using amixer command is working
2022-06-29 04:30:42	Edu4rdSHL	dviant, which processor?
2022-06-29 04:31:30	dviant	hmm it's a x1 carbon gen 11. intel evo i7
2022-06-29 04:31:51	Edu4rdSHL	Is sof-firmware installed?
2022-06-29 04:32:17	dviant	yes, I installed it and added the audiofix.conf as suggested in the wiki
2022-06-29 04:32:28	dviant	before that I couldn't get the sound to work at all
2022-06-29 04:34:52	xecuter	time to sleep gn8
2022-06-29 04:38:25	elfgirl	hi
2022-06-29 04:38:32	xecuter	i can not sleep with this failure. if i stop service and just type xboxdrv in terminal, so it is ok. :-/
2022-06-29 04:49:23	jtritz	hello, I use vim in a bash terminal and after a recent update the parenthesis are messing up cursor highlighting
2022-06-29 04:50:30	jtritz	when the cursor reaches the parenthesis the black box jumps to the matching parenthesis, though the actual cursor doesn't move... just the visual mark... i'm pretty sure it's not a "bug" but it's driving me crazy
2022-06-29 04:50:52	jtritz	well, the colors changed too, so my cursor box is purple now
2022-06-29 04:51:13	jtritz	I think it used to be yello, but the color is not as big a deal
2022-06-29 04:52:17	xecuter	:) zZz
2022-06-29 04:54:41	jtritz	has anyone even noticed this issue? was it intentional for some reason? just wondering if i've even described it well enough to understand?
2022-06-29 04:55:02	jtritz	is there an easy way to revert?
2022-06-29 04:56:32	jtritz	I had made a note in my config file for X something like "sudo pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/ttf-inconsolata-1:2.0.0.1-2-any.pkg.tar.xz" to fix a font issue in the past, but this didn't seem to be related this time
2022-06-29 04:57:06	jtritz	i doubt it's in my vimrc file that the issue is arrising
2022-06-29 04:57:56	jtritz	ok, i'll try again later
2022-06-29 05:00:23	Betal	is it really "namespaces in kernelspeak" ? or was suppose to be "kernelspace"? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Podman
2022-06-29 05:00:25	phrik	Title: Podman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-29 05:01:17	another	seems correct
2022-06-29 05:02:02	NetSysFire	Betal: the page seems correct
2022-06-29 05:02:12	NetSysFire	containers (or namespaces in kernelspeak)
2022-06-29 05:02:37	NetSysFire	kernelspeak being kernel speak, the "language" the kernel devs use
2022-06-29 05:06:04	Betal	another, NetSysFire: thanks!
2022-06-29 08:36:45	damarusama	when I lsblk I get these loop0 and loop1 with docker-8:2-...pool not sure what they are
2022-06-29 08:37:00	damarusama	or how to figure out wtf?
2022-06-29 08:42:36	thurstylark	probably for mounting file system locations as devices in containers
2022-06-29 08:43:08	thurstylark	that's basically the main use for loop mounts anyways
2022-06-29 08:43:36	thurstylark	it does similar "virtual device" things with network interfaces
2022-06-29 08:44:47	damarusama	right... I can see a containerd running a docker image but not sure what is trigerring that
2022-06-29 08:50:56	damarusama	hum I found the process... 
2022-06-29 08:53:06	thurstylark	I mean... it's docker... it does a whole lot of weird shit all willy nilly...
2022-06-29 08:53:11	thurstylark	that's like, its brand :P
2022-06-29 08:54:26	thurstylark	Docker: don't worry about how, just be happy that it's wrapped up in a nice little container for you™
2022-06-29 09:21:42	trumee	ping
2022-06-29 09:22:02	thurstylark	!give trumee pong
2022-06-29 09:22:03	phrik	trumee: Fuck off, I'm busy.
2022-06-29 09:38:20	jlkpc1	;9;27~/exit
2022-06-29 09:42:11	MrElendig	you can't stop here, this is podman country
2022-06-29 10:23:43	bug2000	Hi. Is there a way to profile io for a process?
2022-06-29 10:24:31	bug2000	and can someone explain this "you can't stop here, this is a ... country".
2022-06-29 10:24:34	bug2000	still can't figure it out.
2022-06-29 10:25:50	MrElendig	multiple ways
2022-06-29 10:25:54	bookworm	tracing, bpf...
2022-06-29 10:26:09	bookworm	as for explaining, don't worry about it, it was a joke
2022-06-29 10:26:14	MrElendig	bug2000: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CtBCuAmIcE
2022-06-29 10:26:49	MrElendig	https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-cant-stop-here-this-is-bat-country
2022-06-29 10:26:51	phrik	Title: We Can't Stop Here, This is Bat Country | Know Your Meme (at knowyourmeme.com)
2022-06-29 10:28:33	MrElendig	an elegant meme, from the more civilised days
2022-06-29 10:30:24	bug2000	bookworm, I'd like to know where to start. things like gmrun and engrampa take a lot of time to load.
2022-06-29 10:31:05	bug2000	I'm basically trying to figure out why. Because those things are supposedly light. Only idea I have so far, is that for some reason io takes a lot of time for them. Though it doesn't answer all, things running them after closing / while still running still takes a lot of time.
2022-06-29 10:31:13	bug2000	So something doesn't get cached. It's really confusing.
2022-06-29 10:55:49	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-06-29 11:04:27	CarloWood	Does this package: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/nvidia/ not have a PKGBUILD file?  I want to build it myself.
2022-06-29 11:04:30	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - nvidia 515.48.07-13 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-06-29 11:05:12	CarloWood	Oh, I found it I think...
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2022-06-29 11:11:05	CarloWood	Where is 'srcdir' defined in https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/nvidia/trunk/PKGBUILD#L19
2022-06-29 11:12:57	nl6720	CarloWood: it's defined by makepkg. see https://man.archlinux.org/man/PKGBUILD.5#PACKAGING_FUNCTIONS
2022-06-29 11:12:58	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD(5) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2022-06-29 11:14:22	nl6720	if you're rebuilding a package, you may want to use asp to retrieve the PKGBUILD and other build files
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2022-06-29 11:17:53	CarloWood	nl6720: How would this work? :/  Sorry, but I'm already several days trying to get a user-space VSYNC detection to work that I need for a tool that I need to understand my application.  Now I am in need to make changes to the nvidia kernel module at source level.  I just can't ALSO start to spend too much time into learning how to build this package :/
2022-06-29 11:18:34	CarloWood	If you would be so kind to help me on my way, so can I just concentrate on hacking the module's source code (https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/gpu/drm/drm_vblank.c#L1761 )
2022-06-29 11:18:40	CarloWood	Err not that url
2022-06-29 11:19:07	CarloWood	https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules.git
2022-06-29 11:19:28	CarloWood	That is what I want to make changes to, and then produce an Arch package.
2022-06-29 11:20:57	nl6720	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/asp explains how to retrieve the PKGBUILD, etc., https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Patching_packages explains how to patch it 
2022-06-29 11:20:59	phrik	Title: Arch Build System - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-06-29 11:22:11	nl6720	for building the package, the proper way is to follow https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:Building_in_a_clean_chroot and use e.g. extra-x86_64-build in the directory with the PKGBUILD
2022-06-29 11:22:12	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:Building in a clean chroot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-29 11:22:32	artefact	patching dkms stuff is a bit different
2022-06-29 11:23:43	nl6720	really? from a sound of it, they just need to update the PKGBUILD's source array to point to their fork and build it
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2022-06-29 11:24:33	artefact	i'm not even sure if the new nvidia modules use dkms
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2022-06-29 11:27:30	nl6720	looks like it does https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules/blob/main/kernel-open/dkms.conf
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2022-06-29 11:30:44	CarloWood	nvidia>makepkg --nobuild
2022-06-29 11:30:51	CarloWood	gives me an empty src/  directory
2022-06-29 11:33:32	Khorne	CarloWood, the nvidia package doesnt have a source
2022-06-29 11:34:01	Khorne	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/nvidia/trunk/PKGBUILD#L11 that's where its "source" is
2022-06-29 11:34:04	Khorne	nvidia-dkms
2022-06-29 11:34:40	CarloWood	I tried to install nvidia-dkms, but that says it conflicts with 'nvidia' :/
2022-06-29 11:35:03	Gagis	yes, its mutually exclusive. just let it remove nvidia and replace it with nvidia-dkms
2022-06-29 11:35:30	Gagis	yes, its mutually exclusive. just let it remove nvidia and replace it with nvidia-dkms
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2022-06-29 11:35:33	Gagis	whoops
2022-06-29 11:36:18	Khorne	CarloWood, build in a clean environment
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2022-06-29 11:36:36	ℹ 	ndk_ es conocido ahora como ndk
2022-06-29 11:36:37	CarloWood	Thanks, I didn't dare to just do that :/.  It did run dkms install --no-depmod nvidia/515.48.07 -k 5.18.7-arch1-1  which I also see in the PKGBUILD
2022-06-29 11:37:18	Gagis	https://github.com/Frogging-Family/nvidia-all also has a monster of a pkgbuild and script mountain that can probably let you implement custom patches easily
2022-06-29 11:37:23	Gagis	tho it may be bit of an overkill
2022-06-29 11:37:42	Khorne	Seems unnecessary really
2022-06-29 11:38:30	Khorne	They just have nvidia installed on their build machine and that makes pacman complain..which is not a problem when just handing pacman the final nvidia package for which nvidia-dkms is just a makedepends
2022-06-29 11:42:14	CarloWood	I'm kinda lost
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2022-06-29 11:42:42	Khorne	How?
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2022-06-29 11:43:29	Gagis	yeah probably unncessary
2022-06-29 11:43:39	CarloWood	Khorne: I did:
2022-06-29 11:43:41	CarloWood	asp export nvidia
2022-06-29 11:43:52	CarloWood	cd nvidia
2022-06-29 11:44:14	CarloWood	makepkg --nobuild --nodeps
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2022-06-29 11:45:02	CarloWood	I lost the webpage that I got that last command from :/
2022-06-29 11:45:13	nl6720	shouldn't you also `cd trunk`
2022-06-29 11:45:21	Khorne	The nvidia package does not get the source code for the nvidia module
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2022-06-29 11:45:49	Khorne	The source code is in the nvidia-dkms package, which is a makedepends for nvidia
2022-06-29 11:46:08	Khorne	For loose definitions of "in"
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2022-06-29 11:46:38	CarloWood	nvidia-dkms installed source in /usr/src/nvidia-515.48.07 - thus, what command should I run in the directory with the PKGBUILD to compile it?
2022-06-29 11:46:58	Khorne	makepkg
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2022-06-29 11:48:00	Khorne	The nvidia package only has a build and package function
2022-06-29 11:48:08	Khorne	If you --nobuild it doesn't do anything
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2022-06-29 11:51:15	CarloWood	Ok, this created - nvidia-515.48.07-13-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
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2022-06-29 11:53:34	CarloWood	Now I already have /lib/modules/5.18.7-arch1-1/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko.zst etc, they are installed by what?
2022-06-29 11:54:07	CarloWood	They are not listed by  pacman -Ql nvidia-dkms
2022-06-29 11:54:08	Khorne	nvidia?
2022-06-29 11:54:14	CarloWood	No, that was removed
2022-06-29 11:54:15	Khorne	pacman -Qo file
2022-06-29 11:54:40	CarloWood	error: No package owns /lib/modules/5.18.7-arch1-1/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko.zst
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2022-06-29 11:55:51	Khorne	Then it's likely what gets created when running dkms
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2022-06-29 11:56:44	CarloWood	yes - looking at the timestamp it was installed when I ran  'sudo pacman -S nvidia-dkms`
2022-06-29 11:58:14	CarloWood	So, if I installed the compiled nvidia package, it will remove nvidia-dkms again?
2022-06-29 11:58:24	Khorne	Yes
2022-06-29 11:58:38	Khorne	Not sure why you'd need to
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2022-06-29 12:06:34	CarloWood	Khorne: I want to make changes to the source code and then recompile and reinstall; I can do that with just nvidia-dkms?  So, I don't have to build the nvidia package at all then?
2022-06-29 12:07:20	jelle	the concept does not change, both build a module
2022-06-29 12:07:25	CarloWood	Sorry for the delay(s) but I am going totally NUTS because of the noise outside my window here :(.
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2022-06-29 12:07:59	Khorne	CarloWood, yes
2022-06-29 12:08:21	Khorne	Install nvidia-dkms, make whatever changes to the source, run dkms build
2022-06-29 12:08:42	Khorne	If you're then happy, add your changes as a patch to the nvidia-dkms package
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2022-06-29 12:11:00	jelle	the real question if you can ever be a happy nvidia owner :o
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2022-06-29 12:12:00	HuntsMan	people that do Deep Learning are quite happy :)
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2022-06-29 12:14:39	Khorne	jelle, can't complain
2022-06-29 12:15:06	wezzzzzz	jelle: I'm happy
2022-06-29 12:15:09	⚡ 	jelle hugs steamdeck
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2022-06-29 12:30:53	CarloWood	Is it normal that every time I make a change I have to run 'sudo dkms unbuild nvidia/515.48.07 -k 5.18.7-arch1-1' before I build it again?
2022-06-29 12:31:10	CarloWood	The problem with that is that it rebuilds *everything* - which takes a long time.
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2022-06-29 12:31:47	CarloWood	If I just make a change and run
2022-06-29 12:31:49	CarloWood	daniel:/usr/src/nvidia-515.48.07>sudo dkms build nvidia/515.48.07 -k 5.18.7-arch1-1
2022-06-29 12:31:49	CarloWood	Module nvidia/515.48.07 already built for kernel 5.18.7-arch1-1 (x86_64).
2022-06-29 12:31:53	CarloWood	That doesn't work.
2022-06-29 12:32:47	Khorne	Is the dkms manpage broken on your system?
2022-06-29 12:34:13	CarloWood	No, that's where I got the 'unbuild' from in the first place.
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2022-06-29 12:34:45	Khorne	Keep reading
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2022-06-29 12:38:31	CarloWood	I can't find anything about that in the man page :/
2022-06-29 12:40:10	shadowless	has anybody here got browsh running? just curious to how you like it
2022-06-29 12:40:52	wezzzzzz	shadowless: who>
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2022-06-30 10:28:01	txtsd	When will thunderbird in [extra] track upstream thunderbird?
2022-06-30 10:28:31	Khorne	!when
2022-06-30 10:28:31	phrik	When it's ready. ™
2022-06-30 10:28:57	txtsd	o_o
2022-06-30 10:29:24	txtsd	Do I use thunderbird-bin from AUR until then?
2022-06-30 10:29:24	jelle	txtsd: you mean get an update?
2022-06-30 10:29:35	txtsd	Yes it's still on 91.x
2022-06-30 10:29:46	jelle	txtsd: oh no, out of date for a day :O
2022-06-30 10:29:52	Khorne	Oh sorry, on the 29th of November, 2024 at exactly 13:07:33.2312 UTC
2022-06-30 10:30:09	Khorne	jelle, are you not paid to update packages for Arch? Get to it
2022-06-30 10:30:15	ponies	it may always behind
2022-06-30 10:30:21	jelle	Khorne: only fedora :(
2022-06-30 10:30:23	Khorne	f
2022-06-30 10:30:24	ponies	in which case, the answer would be 'never' 
2022-06-30 10:30:39	⚡ 	mpan pays jelle 4 Arch Coins to not be entire 24h behind the upstream.
2022-06-30 10:30:48	jelle	no
2022-06-30 10:30:50	txtsd	Jeez, I don't mean it in an entitled way. 102 is not the first release after 91.x, is it?
2022-06-30 10:30:55	Khorne	txtsd, it is
2022-06-30 10:30:59	Khorne	Everything else was betas
2022-06-30 10:31:08	txtsd	Oh! Well my bad.
2022-06-30 10:31:36	ponies	why does everybody want this new thunderbird? yesterday somebody was asking too 
2022-06-30 10:31:54	mpan	txtsd: also, don’t worry, you are not missing much. Colorful icons instead of black and white ones, and the ability to customize color of a bar you do not use anyway.
2022-06-30 10:32:12	txtsd	ponies: 102 looks very nice and has a new contacts UI/implementation.
2022-06-30 10:32:22	txtsd	Which feeds my contacts OCD.
2022-06-30 10:32:32	ponies	ok this makes a lot of sense 
2022-06-30 10:32:39	mpan	Oh, and possibly some work to restore headers display to what it was before.
2022-06-30 10:33:18	txtsd	I'm planning on writing a mail client in Qt that I hope will be a good alternative email client eventually. I'm also planning to implement jmap.
2022-06-30 10:33:20	Khorne	https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/releases/ I was never able to make sense of their version scheme
2022-06-30 10:33:20	phrik	Title: Thunderbird Release Notes — Thunderbird (at www.thunderbird.net)
2022-06-30 10:33:52	Khorne	Guess they're tracking Firefoxish?
2022-06-30 10:33:54	mpan	Khorne: I suspect they try to be in parallel with Firefox, but do not release the intermediate versions.
2022-06-30 10:34:08	Khorne	ye
2022-06-30 10:37:25	txtsd	Is there a way to make DLAGENTS from makepkg.conf use different a different program or different set of params depending on the domain being downloaded from? I have mine set to use aria2c with chunking, but this has been failing on github for months now.
2022-06-30 10:38:53	Khorne	I mean, you could write a wrapper
2022-06-30 10:39:06	txtsd	Wrapper around what?
2022-06-30 10:39:42	Khorne	if url != github.com; aria2c downloadurl, else curl downloadurl; fi
2022-06-30 10:40:05	Khorne	As a script, use that for DLAGENT
2022-06-30 10:40:13	Khorne	Instead of calling the downloader directly
2022-06-30 10:42:35	txtsd	I wouldn't be able to apply that logic to AUR helpers like yay or paru though
2022-06-30 10:42:39	txtsd	But it's a good idea
2022-06-30 10:43:18	Khorne	Well then the answer is just no, makepkg.conf can't do that
2022-06-30 10:43:44	BrainDamage	it'd work on any helper as long as they call makepkg
2022-06-30 10:46:48	txtsd	BrainDamage: That's assuming I insert that logic into makepkg.conf, right? Which it can't do atm.
2022-06-30 10:47:03	Khorne	What
2022-06-30 10:47:09	ponies	no you cant do that
2022-06-30 10:47:25	Khorne	Write a script. That script handles the logic. Use that script as DLAGENT like you would use a downloader
2022-06-30 10:47:40	Khorne	Everything that uses makepkg.conf and DLAGENTS correctly uses your script with your logic
2022-06-30 10:47:53	Khorne	*handles the logic and download*
2022-06-30 10:47:56	txtsd	OH I get it now!
2022-06-30 10:47:58	txtsd	Thanks!
2022-06-30 10:48:19	Khorne	De nada
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2022-06-30 11:31:23	tatsumaru	Hey guys, I recently installed arch on my notebook and to make my life easier I copied my chromium settings folder form my other installation to my notebook so that I will have the same settings, history etc. However now when I try to launch chromium on my notebook I get a password prompt saying that 'the password you use to login to your computer, no longer matches that of the keyring'. What do
2022-06-30 11:31:23	tatsumaru	I need to do?
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2022-06-30 11:34:50	teraflops	do you have gnome-keyring or the plasma one installed?
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2022-06-30 11:37:59	tatsumaru	teraflops: I have gnome-keyring
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2022-06-30 11:38:31	teraflops	and it does not prompt when you start a graphical session?
2022-06-30 11:39:07	teraflops	I think it should ask for the keyring passphrase
2022-06-30 11:39:38	tatsumaru	I log in with my pass when I boot linux
2022-06-30 11:39:45	tatsumaru	or rather when I enter into the DE
2022-06-30 11:40:18	tatsumaru	chromium is the only app that has this prompt, I think because I copied settings from another pc if that makes any sense
2022-06-30 11:41:57	teraflops	yeah but I think chromium uses keyring passphrase to encrypt the password you have saved 
2022-06-30 11:42:10	teraflops	iirc
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2022-06-30 11:45:48	teraflops	tatsumaru: ah, there's rm ~/.local/share/keyrings/* so chromium will ask for a password next time you start it
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2022-06-30 11:46:09	teraflops	better than delete move it to somewhere else
2022-06-30 11:46:15	teraflops	just in case
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2022-06-30 11:47:18	tatsumaru	teraflops: will this delete my saved passwords in chromium when I change the pass
2022-06-30 11:47:34	teraflops	nope
2022-06-30 11:47:57	teraflops	but as I said do not delete just move it to somewhere to see how it goes
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2022-06-30 11:48:58	teraflops	chromium has --password-store=<basic|gnome|kwallet> to specify the password store to use as well
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2022-06-30 11:50:07	teraflops	anyway I wouldn't rely on built-in chromium password storage, I'd suggest to use a password manager
2022-06-30 11:50:31	tatsumaru	teraflops: hmm I did move the keyrings folder and created a new password for chromium, but I can't see my saved passwords only saved usernames
2022-06-30 11:51:01	teraflops	so it deletes them hmm
2022-06-30 11:51:23	teraflops	luckyly you did not removed the files
2022-06-30 11:51:41	tatsumaru	I don't know if it does, I forgot to mention that before I did that, when I pressed cancel twice on the prompt chromium started, again with no passwords
2022-06-30 11:51:44	teraflops	luckily^
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2022-06-30 11:52:01	teraflops	hmm
2022-06-30 11:52:02	tatsumaru	maybe they are just unreadable without the original password or something?
2022-06-30 11:52:25	teraflops	did you use the old password when the keyring prompted?
2022-06-30 11:52:40	tatsumaru	I don't remember what it was, I tried a few, but they didn't work
2022-06-30 11:52:47	teraflops	oh
2022-06-30 11:52:56	teraflops	that's the issue I think
2022-06-30 11:53:27	tatsumaru	hmm, I see
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2022-06-30 11:53:54	teraflops	I always use 4321 xD
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2022-06-30 11:55:33	tatsumaru	ah anyhow, I will figure it out, thanks!
2022-06-30 11:55:43	teraflops	np, gl
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2022-06-30 21:11:15	houkime	how can i reset my video output from terminal? I want to turn monitor off and on.
2022-06-30 21:12:01	houkime	it is a laptop and it does not have a button for it
2022-06-30 21:12:49	houkime	still, power managers somehow do it? so i can do it too?
2022-06-30 21:13:53	artefact	xrandr --output LVDS-0 --off ?
2022-06-30 21:18:32	Vorpal	houkime: any particular reason you want to do this? As in, what are you trying to accomplish?
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2022-06-30 21:19:17	houkime	artefact, xrandr only sees xwayland stuff because it is wayland
2022-06-30 21:20:10	MacGyver	houkime: ddc, in the form of ddcutil.
2022-06-30 21:20:34	MacGyver	houkime: Oh, hmm, wait, that might not work for the primary screen of a laptop.
2022-06-30 21:20:55	MacGyver	houkime: For *that* turning off and on you need xset dpms and xset s.
2022-06-30 21:21:14	houkime	Vorpal, it seems to be a hardware issue on monitor side, sometimes artefacts are present even in bios, so it is not about linux drivers. But rebooting helps with them.
2022-06-30 21:21:31	Vorpal	fair enough
2022-06-30 21:21:33	MacGyver	houkime: I don't know whether xset can work *through* wayland for the dpms part though.
2022-06-30 21:21:36	Vorpal	I have done weirder stuff
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2022-06-30 21:23:33	Vorpal	MacGyver: are there any wayland commands to do this thing though?
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2022-06-30 21:24:09	MacGyver	No idea, I'm still on X for $reasons.
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2022-06-30 21:24:28	MacGyver	ddc is display tech agnostic, it directly signals the monitor hardware.
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2022-06-30 21:24:44	MacGyver	But whether *that* works for a laptop monitor... E_CLUE
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2022-06-30 21:28:20	houkime	trying to make ddc work
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2022-06-30 21:30:36	Vorpal	I have a script that runs xrandr to change resolution back and forth on my work laptop, because on that particular laptop that works around nvidia bugs causing the internal screen to be blank after resume from sleep sometimes
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2022-06-30 21:37:25	houkime	i wonder though if i can communicate a simple command directly
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2022-06-30 21:38:40	houkime	i see that the device is /dev/i2c-3, and in unix, you can write to them
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2022-06-30 21:39:16	houkime	but that one is risky/requres more knowledge
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2022-06-30 21:49:31	houkime	besides name, sys/bus/i2c/devices/i2c-3 has... power!
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2022-06-30 21:49:45	houkime	but, for some reason it is a dir
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2022-06-30 21:50:36	houkime	i have seen files in device trees that are just intuitive 1 and 0, but it is not the case here(
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2022-06-30 22:19:17	Vorpal	SponiX: it could, if there is a reason for the drives to not start at the same time
2022-06-30 22:19:33	Vorpal	like if they are spun down, to reduce the instantaneous PSU load
2022-06-30 22:19:39	Vorpal	mostly a think for hdds
2022-06-30 22:19:56	Vorpal	SponiX: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Improving_performance/Boot_process#Staggered_spin-up
2022-06-30 22:19:58	phrik	Title: Improving performance/Boot process - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-06-30 22:20:17	SponiX	Yeah, most of them are spinning rust. But I have the PSU headroom to handle them all spinning up at one time
2022-06-30 22:20:34	SponiX	Normally they NEVER spin down though, because I just reboot, no real power downs
2022-06-30 22:20:47	Vorpal	ah
2022-06-30 22:21:15	Vorpal	SponiX: I have a script to spin down my one rotating disk when linux boots. As it is just used for game storage on windows
2022-06-30 22:21:27	Vorpal	and the sound of it is quite annoying
2022-06-30 22:21:33	Vorpal	my desktop is silent apart from it
2022-06-30 22:21:44	Vorpal	silent when idle that is
2022-06-30 22:21:53	Vorpal	it makes a slight whoosh when under heavy load
2022-06-30 22:22:26	SponiX	yeah, my system was setup for sss, so I added the kernel line
2022-06-30 22:22:58	SponiX	funny part is, I have memory loss. So, by the time I get around to rebooting again, I probably wont remember I've made changes
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2022-06-30 22:29:58	Vorpal	SponiX: oops
2022-06-30 22:30:19	houkime	i think i will just suspend from terminal and resume
2022-06-30 22:30:41	houkime	this seems to cut off display properly
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2022-07-01 11:44:22	toou	is there any reason to keep initramfs-linux-fallback if initramfs-linux works fine
2022-07-01 11:44:44	toou	its only usefull if autodetect is broken right ?
2022-07-01 11:45:00	godSend23	is it normal for linux liveUSB distros not have usbc hubs, touch screen, keyboard, and touchpad NOT work?
2022-07-01 11:45:14	nl6720	toou: or if you move the drive to different hardware
2022-07-01 11:45:36	toou	huh, never gonna happen :P
2022-07-01 11:45:53	Namarrgon	keep a working archiso in your desk
2022-07-01 11:45:57	gromit	godSend23: which linux distro did you use on your live-USB? 
2022-07-01 11:46:11	luna__	talking about that new Arch ISO later today
2022-07-01 11:47:00	toou	yeah, i keep a slim usb in my wallet ready to go
2022-07-01 11:47:11	godSend23	this one: https://sumuri.com/software/paladin/ gromit
2022-07-01 11:47:17	phrik	Title: PALADIN : The World's Most Popular Linux Forensic Suite (at sumuri.com)
2022-07-01 11:47:43	HuntsMan	godSend23: we don't know anything about distros other than archlinux here
2022-07-01 11:48:07	godSend23	hmm ok
2022-07-01 11:48:13	toou	i wanted to readuce the boot partition from 256 to 128 and saw fallback taking up more space while the default one only took <10MB
2022-07-01 11:48:43	tatsumaru	hey guys, can you recommend a basic cli editor that supports automatic indentation for python?
2022-07-01 11:48:56	wooparadog	tatsumaru: vim
2022-07-01 11:48:58	toou	ahhh, vim?
2022-07-01 11:49:10	wooparadog	!next
2022-07-01 11:49:10	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2022-07-01 11:49:25	tatsumaru	vim isn't that basic I think?
2022-07-01 11:49:26	toou	:P
2022-07-01 11:50:25	tatsumaru	I don't want to learn a whole new way of interfacing with my computer, just to get some indentation
2022-07-01 11:50:30	wommel	Automatic indentation isn't so basic either^^
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2022-07-01 11:53:58	MacGyver	(godSend23: Yes it's normal for them to not have those things not work.)
2022-07-01 11:54:17	MacGyver	godSend23: No it's not normal to have them not work.
2022-07-01 11:54:30	MacGyver	Beyond that, go seek support in their channels.
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2022-07-01 11:55:04	gromit	tatsumaru: did you try nano? I think you can enable autoindent
2022-07-01 11:55:39	godSend23	macgyver, u stated it twice?
2022-07-01 11:55:52	MacGyver	godSend23: You put a double negative in your initial question.
2022-07-01 11:56:06	godSend23	yes, my error
2022-07-01 11:56:09	godSend23	but u know what i mean
2022-07-01 11:56:16	tatsumaru	gromit: i am currently using nano, didn't know it had autoindent for python
2022-07-01 11:56:32	MacGyver	Yes, and then I made a joke about it, but obviously no, that's not normal, but for support you'll have to ask them.
2022-07-01 11:56:45	godSend23	ohhh got it 
2022-07-01 11:56:55	godSend23	which got me even more confuse
2022-07-01 11:57:11	Strykar	vim is great, I've been using it for years.. mostly because I haven't figured out how to exit vim
2022-07-01 11:57:21	godSend23	no simple workarounds?
2022-07-01 11:59:07	gromit	tatsumaru: I think the autoindent is really limited but can atleast get you somewhere .. Maybe there also is the possibilty so execute some binary on save and you could hook yapf or some python formatter in there
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2022-07-01 12:29:08	l3m0ns_	Has anybody had success with nouveau drivers on sway?
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2022-07-01 12:40:36	pulec	no idea, I recommend buying AMD, nvidia evil!
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2022-07-01 12:42:02	pulec	argh, why passstore insist on using vi, I dislike vi
2022-07-01 12:43:35	thurstylark	I bet it actually uses $EDITOR or something
2022-07-01 12:44:18	thurstylark	indeed it does https://man.archlinux.org/man/pass.1#ENVIRONMENT_VARIABLES
2022-07-01 12:44:19	phrik	Title: pass(1) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2022-07-01 12:44:24	susi	may even use $VISUAL
2022-07-01 12:44:33	pulec	oh yeah
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2022-07-01 12:44:42	pulec	thanks thurstylark 
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2022-07-01 12:46:52	susi	forehead, please
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2022-07-01 13:18:18	Tom^	pulec: uninstall vi, symlink vim to vi. :p
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2022-07-01 13:18:54	artefact	ed is the standard text editor.
2022-07-01 13:19:31	pulec	Tom^: uninstalled, but symlink? brah
2022-07-01 13:19:38	pulec	export EDITOR=nvim
2022-07-01 13:21:28	teraflops	phrik: ed3
2022-07-01 13:21:28	phrik	ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!
2022-07-01 13:22:15	MacGyver	I thought our vim-packages used to have that symlink.
2022-07-01 13:22:28	MacGyver	But /usr/local/bin/vi on this system vehemently disagrees.
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2022-07-01 13:26:43	artefact	$ vi -> "this incident will be reported"
2022-07-01 13:27:59	susi	be very afraid
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2022-07-01 14:36:05	susi	does wear leveling really work that way? I know that's a possibility with wear leveling, but is it really that guaranteed to not succeed overwriting the actual wanted data?
2022-07-01 14:36:28	susi	or I mean, is it really that unlikely to overwrite the wanted data
2022-07-01 14:36:37	mpan	lzodd: less pointless writes. I would say most people I talked to about it use noatime. For the very simple reason of it not being widely used nowadays.
2022-07-01 14:36:51	mpan	susi: nothing is guaranteed. It’s just likely.
2022-07-01 14:37:12	susi	mpan: yes, I corrected that, but I'm interested in this 'likely'-hood
2022-07-01 14:37:20	mpan	susi: and since the question is about security, it likely happening is already too much.
2022-07-01 14:37:48	lzodd	mpan: ACK, makes sense. i couldn't find how far it elongates the SSD's lifespan but at least it doesn't shorten it i guess :^)
2022-07-01 14:38:05	susi	yes, even the possibility of it happening makes it useless in this context, but would be interested to know more about wear leveling algorithms 
2022-07-01 14:38:05	nl6720	the sector/block numbers on an SSD are made up, so there's no guarantee where you're actually writing physically
2022-07-01 14:38:16	artefact	depends on the filesystem and your workload. but turning every read into a write was stupid even back then
2022-07-01 14:38:36	mpan	lzodd: performance is also an issue to consider, not only wear.
2022-07-01 14:38:49	susi	I switched from relatime to noatime some time ago, and have not missed anything
2022-07-01 14:38:57	mpan	While this has minimal impact, it is impact caused by something not used.
2022-07-01 14:39:23	mpan	Well, I use relatime, as modification times will be written anyway.
2022-07-01 14:39:28	lzodd	i don't even know what i am supposed to miss. I added it to my testing machine and was now thinking also adding it to my main
2022-07-01 14:39:53	susi	just do it!
2022-07-01 14:39:55	Khorne	Is SSD lifespan even a problem for a desktop computer..
2022-07-01 14:39:58	nl6720	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fstab#atime_options mentions one software that doesn't like noatime
2022-07-01 14:39:59	phrik	Title: fstab - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-01 14:40:02	mpan	lzodd: you may use relatime for compatibility. That will not increase writes.
2022-07-01 14:40:20	artefact	probably not. unless you have a tiny low quality ssd and badly configured hardware (or a very intensive workload)
2022-07-01 14:40:27	artefact	*software
2022-07-01 14:40:41	lzodd	artefact: luckily i have neither!
2022-07-01 14:41:00	mpan	susi: since wear leveling is completely proprietary, there is almost no information on the details. All that is known is that we are talking about purpose for which such a situation should be nearly non-existent and in reality it is expected to happen.
2022-07-01 14:41:13	susi	nl6720: I have heard mutt actually does not care 
2022-07-01 14:41:17	artefact	funny how cheap ssds are so good nowadays, but cheap usb drives are still garbage. writes will crawl at a couple hundred kb/s after just a few write cycles
2022-07-01 14:41:21	susi	there was discussian about this some time ago on this channel
2022-07-01 14:41:36	lzodd	nl6720: doesn't sound like i have to worry about compat, i don't use such software as far as i can tell
2022-07-01 14:41:38	susi	there were at least one noatimer using mutt with zero problems
2022-07-01 14:42:01	mpan	susi: information on algorithms may be found, but the specific implementation details that would allow you to model probabilistic distribution of reallocations are not available.
2022-07-01 14:42:10	Khorne	https://pb.khorne.me/f/9ir3tv
2022-07-01 14:42:13	susi	mpan: yeah
2022-07-01 14:42:15	nl6720	hmm, there's no linked issue, so the text is somewhat suspicious
2022-07-01 14:42:24	reaVer	my ifconfig and ip route are not responding and I can't access some sites
2022-07-01 14:42:27	susi	mpan: and it's enough to be a possibility for it to render things useless in the security/privacy context
2022-07-01 14:42:30	reaVer	anyone know what I can do about this?
2022-07-01 14:42:33	Khorne	So thats 6 years of power on time on my oldest ssd
2022-07-01 14:42:34	susi	for it to happen*
2022-07-01 14:42:47	mpan	Khorne: we are talking about normal reallocation in wear leveling. Not low-level reallocation caused by damaged sectors. :)
2022-07-01 14:43:02	Khorne	mpan, for lifespan the differentiation is irrelevant
2022-07-01 14:43:05	mpan	Khorne: (assuming you posting that picture was to provide data on how often reallocation happens)
2022-07-01 14:43:11	Khorne	No
2022-07-01 14:43:15	mpan	Oh, then sorry.
2022-07-01 14:43:34	Khorne	I was posting it to undermine my point of lifespan for modern SSDs being a non issue
2022-07-01 14:43:47	lzodd	alright, added noatime to my fstab now :) will issue weekly reboot on Sat 
2022-07-01 14:44:00	mpan	Khorne: my primary HDD is so old that timestamps in SMART self-test entries have overflown. :P
2022-07-01 14:44:08	Khorne	:D
2022-07-01 14:44:09	susi	one big problem with encryption is, that the government (and even thieves) usually snap your stuff when they are powered on
2022-07-01 14:44:21	artefact	don't leave it powered on when unattended
2022-07-01 14:44:28	Khorne	susi, yea, thats a big problem compared to non-enryption where they can do that at all times..
2022-07-01 14:44:33	susi	like, you have your device in a cafe, the thief takes it and it's likely powered on
2022-07-01 14:44:34	Khorne	face->desk
2022-07-01 14:44:46	mpan	  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   001   001   000    Old_age   Always       -       84199
2022-07-01 14:44:52	mpan	That’s almost 24/7 operation.
2022-07-01 14:45:03	bertieb	speaking of facepalm questions; why would pacman claim that "archlinux-keyring-20210110-1 is up to date" even after synchronisation?
2022-07-01 14:45:03	artefact	we don't go to cafés. we're not mac users
2022-07-01 14:45:10	lzodd	haha
2022-07-01 14:45:14	Khorne	bertieb, your mirror is out of date
2022-07-01 14:45:21	susi	Khorne: I'm not comparing, but talking about realities. I know from first-hand experience, that govt targets the moment when the device is powered on and unencrypted
2022-07-01 14:45:27	bertieb	Khorne: ahh, right thanks will check that
2022-07-01 14:45:37	mpan	Last test was performed at 18359 hours. That is 65535 + 18359 = 83894 hours. :P
2022-07-01 14:45:40	Khorne	susi, frankly if your threat vector is governments youre fucked regardless
2022-07-01 14:45:51	susi	Khorne: I'm not from USA
2022-07-01 14:45:55	Khorne	susi, and?
2022-07-01 14:46:02	susi	it's a bit different in Europe
2022-07-01 14:46:03	artefact	your country may have key disclosure laws, in which case you're fucked no matter what
2022-07-01 14:46:11	Khorne	susi, and?
2022-07-01 14:46:12	mpan	bertieb: huh?
2022-07-01 14:46:17	susi	and I was jsut pointing a fact, that one should consider this too, if privacy is important
2022-07-01 14:46:17	bertieb	(yeah, UKfast seems... old)
2022-07-01 14:46:24	susi	can't just trust full-disk encryption is enough
2022-07-01 14:46:26	susi	assume*
2022-07-01 14:46:39	Khorne	susi, at this point you shouldn't store anything digitally then
2022-07-01 14:46:59	tatsumaru	mpan is ATA secure erase more secure than wipe/shred when it's okay to delete the whole drive
2022-07-01 14:47:09	susi	ok, sorry for mentioning, that one should keep in mind that a thief in cafe could snap your device while it's powered on, and so on
2022-07-01 14:47:11	mpan	susi: then at this point you may overwrite the data once with shred. But it still requires disk encryption to prevent leaks.
2022-07-01 14:47:17	artefact	i mean, technically, you can do modular exponentiation with an abacus
2022-07-01 14:47:22	mpan	tatsumaru: not simply “more secure”. it’s complicated.
2022-07-01 14:47:30	susi	I'm right now in a restaurant with a laptop powered on and disk unencrypted
2022-07-01 14:47:34	susi	anyone could just take it
2022-07-01 14:47:42	artefact	that's why you use fs-crypt with systemd-homed
2022-07-01 14:47:44	jelle	susi: this is why you lock your screen :)
2022-07-01 14:47:50	Khorne	lol
2022-07-01 14:47:59	tatsumaru	susi just remote desktop to your home pc or something
2022-07-01 14:48:03	Khorne	This is why you have a deadman switch attached to your wrist
2022-07-01 14:48:18	jelle	Khorne: bluetooth deadman switch is pretty nice
2022-07-01 14:48:20	Khorne	That immediately fries the ssd when it gets triggered
2022-07-01 14:48:23	lzodd	well first they have to get through me. the first defence to an attack is denial of physical access.
2022-07-01 14:48:23	artefact	although, if you have a penguin sticker on your laptop, odds are nobody will grab it anyway
2022-07-01 14:48:23	nl6720	which sets off a bomb when triggered
2022-07-01 14:48:26	Khorne	yes
2022-07-01 14:48:35	mpan	tatsumaru: you must overwrite the entire medium. The problem is that operating system can’t address the entire medium: it doesn’t see some fragments of it. That can only be performed by firmware on the medium itself. This is where ATA Secure Erase comes in: it instructs the firmware to erase everything.
2022-07-01 14:48:40	Khorne	overcharge the Li-Ion pack
2022-07-01 14:49:23	mpan	tatsumaru: so far, so good. But then the problem is that ATA Secure Erase itself is unauditable and it has been shown multiple times that it was poorly implemented, if not outrightly faked by vendors. Which means you basically need both.
2022-07-01 14:49:47	artefact	ata secure erase is as worth using as SED
2022-07-01 14:49:58	nl6720	the solution is to destroy the drive, buy a new one and encrypt it from the start
2022-07-01 14:50:19	tatsumaru	so ATA-SE has a wider reach, but if we ignore the implementation problem, and compare simply the overlapping reach between ATA-SE and wipe/shred, is ATA-SE more secure?
2022-07-01 14:50:37	mpan	tatsumaru: ATA Secure Erase has high probability of erasing everything, even areas inaccessible to your operating system, but is not certain. Manually filling the medium with random garbage may leave some fragments untouched, but is certain to work.
2022-07-01 14:51:09	mpan	So both together means: certainly erased everything accessible to the operating system, and very likely everything else.
2022-07-01 14:51:15	lzodd	pass multiple times with wipe/shred from a chroot maybe? just a thought
2022-07-01 14:51:28	artefact	how is the chroot helpful?
2022-07-01 14:51:56	mpan	For SSD multiple passes are also not needed. For older HDDs were, if someone cared for very sophisticated attacks.
2022-07-01 14:52:11	nl6720	you still can't guarantee that shred will wipe the parts where the files were physically located on the drive
2022-07-01 14:52:25	artefact	toss it in a blender
2022-07-01 14:52:33	lzodd	artefact: sorry, bad phrasing. from a rescue usb or something like that. doesnt the first already wipe the system into an unusable state?
2022-07-01 14:52:37	mpan	SSDs are, let’s call it, overwriting “precisely”. On HDDs the writing head was often missing fragments of data, because it’s an inherently two-dimensional space and head can overwrite only in one direction.
2022-07-01 14:53:03	mpan	However, if you really care: the current US recommendations for gov agencies is: toss it into furnace.
2022-07-01 14:53:15	mpan	bertieb: what about the keyring?
2022-07-01 14:53:29	lzodd	yeah physical destruction is the only way to be absolutely sure..
2022-07-01 14:53:41	nl6720	https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=furnace returns nothing!
2022-07-01 14:53:43	phrik	Title: Search results for "furnace" - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-01 14:53:54	mpan	Unfortunately not longer “absolutely sure”. Even “reasonably sure” for highly confidential data. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-07-01 14:53:58	mpan	nl6720: LOL
2022-07-01 14:54:07	Khorne	nl6720, it's only available with your ArchLinux premium subscription
2022-07-01 14:54:14	lzodd	"activate Linux"
2022-07-01 14:54:40	Khorne	Maintainers gotta eat too
2022-07-01 14:54:48	bertieb	mpan: I had an out of date mirror  (UK Fast) at the top of my mirrorlist, so it was claming 2021-01-10 was up to date
2022-07-01 14:55:20	mpan	With Genuine Linux Advantage, we will send you a black van with furnace in it. Out specialized team will ensure your medium is destroyed and we will return you smoke in a jar.
2022-07-01 14:55:31	artefact	Linux Subsystem for Furnace
2022-07-01 14:55:43	mpan	bertieb: so it is solved already?
2022-07-01 14:56:08	bertieb	mpan: aye, cheers
2022-07-01 14:56:19	bertieb	Khorne pointed me in the right direction
2022-07-01 14:56:29	bertieb	I so rarely touch the mirrorlist I forget it can be a source of issue
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2022-07-01 14:57:17	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-07-01 14:57:18	ℹ 	torwag2 es conocido ahora como torwag1
2022-07-01 14:57:32	bertieb	(trying to do an upgrade on a device with a 6.7G disk -_- got pacman package cahce mounted on another comptuer over sshfs so it ahs space for the packages)
2022-07-01 14:57:37	lzodd	I update mine daily with reflector, pretty nice
2022-07-01 14:57:48	mpan	tatsumaru: as with all security, threat model is important. But in virtually any realistic case disk encryption is the answer, no matter the threat model. If you shred a single file on SSD or just rm+TRIM, the protection you gain is against a script kiddie with sudo access using file recovery software to recover some data or at most a lazy police officer. :)
2022-07-01 14:57:48	jelle	daily seems a bit often
2022-07-01 14:57:57	bertieb	yeah I know about reflector lol just never bothered to set it up
2022-07-01 14:58:17	lzodd	jelle, excessive is my second name :D
2022-07-01 14:58:17	nl6720	weekly would be better, as that's how often the mirrorlist usually gets updated
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2022-07-01 14:58:30	jelle	lzodd: good thing I cache it for people who hammer our servers
2022-07-01 14:58:34	artefact	unless you use btrfs. the btrfs allocator makes it very hard to undelete stuff
2022-07-01 14:58:47	torwag1	Hey, was there a recent regress about bluetooth and resume of laptops... for some time, my bluetooth mouse stopped working after resuming from suspend now. Only a reboot seems to fix it.
2022-07-01 14:58:50	bertieb	(this is a thin client device being used pretty much solely for kodi for youtube, so I try to do the whole "get it working then never touch it")
2022-07-01 14:59:04	lzodd	but shall switch to weekly, not a big issue
2022-07-01 15:01:30	ℹ 	bookworm_ es conocido ahora como bookworm
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2022-07-01 15:05:49	tatsumaru	mpan if an sdd ever contained a secure file and wasn't encrypted will it become safer once the sdd gets formatted and encrypted or will this old file be always visible with some tools because it was written before the encryption.
2022-07-01 15:06:24	susi	CyberShadow: I 'su - bar''d and then tried DISPLAY=:0 xev, and it tells me 'authorization required, but no authorization protocol specified' - this is no nodm configuration (I startx manually), and this is through Xorg.wrapper
2022-07-01 15:06:27	tatsumaru	by it I mean the ssd, not that file that's already deleted
2022-07-01 15:06:30	BrainDamage	opal disks are always encrypted
2022-07-01 15:06:43	BrainDamage	the only thing that changes is that you unlock the enc key
2022-07-01 15:06:51	tatsumaru	BrainDamage: what is opal
2022-07-01 15:07:02	CyberShadow	susi: Yes, I see this problem only with nodm. It doesn't occur with startx for me either.
2022-07-01 15:07:04	mpan	tatsumaru: ATA Secure Erase + filling with data will almost certainly remove any trace of it. The second part, filling with random data, may be performed as a part of setting up an encrypted volume. So the answer is: yes, it may be so.
2022-07-01 15:07:06	BrainDamage	the standard for hw encryption on disks
2022-07-01 15:07:14	wezzzzzz	tatsumaru: Opal is a non-sniffable petrol
2022-07-01 15:07:16	BrainDamage	so hw encryption
2022-07-01 15:07:30	BrainDamage	as opposed to luks, which is sw
2022-07-01 15:07:35	susi	CyberShadow: interesting, and worrying
2022-07-01 15:07:40	CyberShadow	I'm thinking of dropping nodm now, as this seems like a pretty bad security hole, and I think it's unmaintained too.
2022-07-01 15:07:43	mpan	BrainDamage: and also famous for having poorly implemented key erasure. :P
2022-07-01 15:07:50	BrainDamage	yup
2022-07-01 15:08:11	susi	CyberShadow: have you created /etc/pam.d/nodm as instructed in arch wiki
2022-07-01 15:08:16	CyberShadow	Yes
2022-07-01 15:08:22	BrainDamage	it's quite a pity because opal solves many problems which are a nightmare when it's about sw
2022-07-01 15:08:24	tatsumaru	isn't hw encryption just sw encryption on a dedicated chip?
2022-07-01 15:08:38	susi	CyberShadow: and you have /etc/nodm.conf with NODM_USER and NODM_XSESSION?
2022-07-01 15:08:41	BrainDamage	yes, but here it works transparently on the disk
2022-07-01 15:08:43	CyberShadow	Yes
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2022-07-01 15:08:49	MacGyver	tatsumaru: Not necessarily.
2022-07-01 15:09:04	mpan	So tansparently you can’t even verify it actually works as advertised! ;)
2022-07-01 15:09:12	CyberShadow	Actually, hold on. My pam.d/nodm is a little different. Must have been from an older iteration of the documentation. Let me test the latest.
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2022-07-01 15:09:54	susi	CyberShadow: what's it's contents as now?
2022-07-01 15:10:07	CyberShadow	Same as on wiki but system-login instead of system-local-login
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2022-07-01 15:10:28	susi	cthen it should not make a difference
2022-07-01 15:10:38	susi	system-local-login just includes system-login
2022-07-01 15:10:40	mpan	Speaking seriously, hw encryption on the HDD is theoretically the better solution if implemented as advertised. It’s practical reality that makes if not so great. :(
2022-07-01 15:10:44	MacGyver	tatsumaru: Depends a bit on what encryption is being applied but for many symmetric ciphers cryptographic accelerators actually implement parts of the computation as unchanging networks in hardware.
2022-07-01 15:11:30	CyberShadow	Haha. That actually broke nodm for me. Hmm.
2022-07-01 15:11:30	susi	CyberShadow: could you paste your /etc/pam.d/system-login, it should not contain an secrets if it's the default arch version
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2022-07-01 15:11:55	BrainDamage	MacGyver: which further makes sw encryption = hw encryption, just not in the way people espect :p
2022-07-01 15:12:09	mpan	The situation is the same as with TCP stack in your network chip. Theoretically the superior solution, if done right. But we live in reality, making it problematic.
2022-07-01 15:12:27	tatsumaru	MacGyver so using the circuitry directly as opposed to relying on software?
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2022-07-01 15:12:45	BrainDamage	yes, intel eg has AES-ni specific instructions
2022-07-01 15:12:46	MacGyver	tatsumaru: Yes.
2022-07-01 15:13:21	CyberShadow	susi: https://dump.cy.md/10f71f2f116c69db8e188fdde6d9c25d/13%3A13%3A09-upload.txt
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2022-07-01 15:13:53	MacGyver	tatsumaru: In the end, it's no different than any other dedicated piece of circuitry on a chip. Each piece of circuitry can do one and only one operation, and you build your software on top of those operations.
2022-07-01 15:13:58	CyberShadow	Oh, nodm breaking was because I fatfingered an edit, nm.
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2022-07-01 15:14:44	susi	but the original issue stays?
2022-07-01 15:14:47	MacGyver	tatsumaru: And if you make that circuitry complicated, you basically get a dedicated part of a chip that you *could* implement in software as well, but now you've just got transistors dedicated to that operation.
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2022-07-01 15:15:26	BrainDamage	that dilemma is as old as computers
2022-07-01 15:15:31	MacGyver	Yep.
2022-07-01 15:15:44	MacGyver	The trade-off between general-purpose and application-specific.
2022-07-01 15:15:47	BrainDamage	how much area dedicated to optimize specific instructions vs the common ones
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2022-07-01 15:16:18	susi	CyberShadow: I would try removing user_readenv=1 from your system-login, and re-test
2022-07-01 15:16:37	susi	it may inherit XAUTHORITY 
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2022-07-01 15:18:02	susi	also /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/50-systemd-user.sh imports XAUTHORITY
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2022-07-01 15:23:21	CyberShadow	susi: Hmm, doesn't look like it if I replace xev with env. Also, that file is not modified from its pambase default.
2022-07-01 15:23:32	CyberShadow	I'll test in a sec anyway.
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2022-07-01 15:28:05	CyberShadow	No luck.
2022-07-01 15:28:10	cyphertite	nothing pushed bleeding edge ASIC BTC miner development more quickly than BTC rising sharply to $69K on 9 Nov last year - a development cycle likely to repeat ;p
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2022-07-01 15:29:51	jelle	cyphertite: this is not offtopic
2022-07-01 15:30:00	cyphertite	k
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2022-07-01 15:31:13	susi	CyberShadow: if you do it this way' `su - testuser; DISPLAY=:0 xev` is it same results?
2022-07-01 15:32:18	CyberShadow	susi: Yes
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2022-07-01 15:33:05	susi	CyberShadow: is your Xorg running with -auth?
2022-07-01 15:33:11	susi	ps aux | grep Xorg
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2022-07-01 15:34:54	CyberShadow	susi: It's not. This may be it.
2022-07-01 15:35:07	CyberShadow	nodm's default is "vt7 -nolisten tcp".
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2022-07-01 15:36:16	susi	that's it, and that's weird
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2022-07-01 16:03:29	dav1d	mh I just updated my system, it seems like KDE/kwin is ignoring my KDEWM variable I defined in ~/.config/plasma-workspace/env/wm.sh - any ideas why I cant swap kwin with i3 anymore
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2022-07-01 16:05:09	NetSysFire	did you try #kde?
2022-07-01 16:06:05	dav1d	NetSysFire, no not yet, will try there thanks
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2022-07-01 16:06:52	yans	dav1d: #plasma
2022-07-01 16:07:10	dav1d	yans, kk thanks
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2022-07-01 16:07:59	ℹ 	JaktheSecond es conocido ahora como JakLareo
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2022-07-01 16:15:50	bittin	Arch Linux 2022.07 is now released
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2022-07-01 16:22:53	artefact	you mean archiso
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2022-07-01 16:29:13	dav1d	Multiple solutions for my problem, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE#Replacing_KWin_service & https://gist.github.com/TJuberg/75f7787f66277b6a6400b45e6b63351e
2022-07-01 16:29:14	phrik	Title: KDE - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-01 16:34:11	ℹ 	ethrl_ es conocido ahora como ethrl
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2022-07-01 16:39:12	mongy	any particular reason for using grub on archiso now?
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2022-07-01 16:42:53	nl6720	mongy: grub can read iso9660 which allows to avoid duplicating the ever-growing kernel and intramfs images in the EFI system partition
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2022-07-01 16:45:50	mongy	Ah, didn't know, thanks
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2022-07-01 16:53:07	comrumino	Is https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/blob/packages/znc/trunk/PKGBUILD a good example for a PKGBUILD that creates a sysuser? I imagine nologin would be an improvement
2022-07-01 16:55:01	nl6720	comrumino: you can use the example from https://archlinux.org/todo/switch-to-systemd-sysusers/ it avoid creating separate files
2022-07-01 16:55:03	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Todo: Switch to systemd-sysusers (at archlinux.org)
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2022-07-01 16:56:35	comrumino	nl6720, nice. this is why I ask :) to learn nifty tricks like `echo '<sysusers.d content>' | install -Dm644 /dev/stdin "$pkgdir"/usr/lib/sysusers.d/$pkgname.conf`
2022-07-01 16:56:40	comrumino	ty ty
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2022-07-01 16:57:14	nl6720	^_^
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2022-07-01 17:08:31	ℹ 	another es conocido ahora como another|
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2022-07-01 17:42:47	CarloWood	Grrmbl - I need to get src/vulkan/PresentationSurface.{h,cxx} back from my backup...
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2022-07-01 18:14:25	lastmikoi	what's up with the archlinux release RSS feed's torrent files not including a tracker anymore ?
2022-07-01 18:14:25	mpan	lastmikoi: because there is no tracker anymore.
2022-07-01 18:14:25	mpan	2 years? 3?
2022-07-01 18:14:25	lastmikoi	so it's pure DHT ?
2022-07-01 18:14:25	mpan	Yes
2022-07-01 18:14:25	mpan	And HTTP seeds.
2022-07-01 18:14:25	mpan	*webseeds
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2022-07-01 18:14:25	lastmikoi	mhhh, indeed, been a while. I guess I only noticed now that I'm not getting any progress on the torrent files while I manage to get ~100 ratio on each monthly release
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2022-07-01 18:14:25	lastmikoi	which means something is up with *my* dht
2022-07-01 18:14:25	lastmikoi	that makes sense, thanks
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2022-07-01 18:14:25	mpan	lastmikoi: I can only confirm that there is no issues on my side. 77 ratio on the June release.
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2022-07-01 18:14:25	lastmikoi	aye, does your torrent client support webseed or is that pure DHT ?
2022-07-01 18:14:25	◣	Fraktos (~Fraktos@216.151.183.4) ha salido (Quit: Fraktos)
2022-07-01 18:14:25	mpan	Webseed is supported. And I personally use the page linked from the RSS.
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2022-07-01 18:14:25	mpan	(but it has no tracker too, so this is the same situation tracker-wise)
2022-07-01 18:14:25	lastmikoi	seems like rtorrent is lagging behind feature-wise
2022-07-01 18:14:25	artefact	or you can just use https://geo.mirror.pkgbuild.com/iso/latest/archlinux-x86_64.iso
2022-07-01 18:14:25	mpan	artefact: that is not a torrent file.
2022-07-01 18:14:25	lastmikoi	I'm hosting my own mirror, I'm trying to troubleshoot a distribution issue, not a download issue :D
2022-07-01 18:14:25	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-01 18:16:18	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-01 18:16:21	artefact	my bad
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2022-07-01 18:18:13	lavaball	!paste
2022-07-01 18:18:14	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-07-01 18:22:37	lastmikoi	DHT always has been a struggle to troubleshoot with my multiples routing tables, firewall rulesets and netcls, this is gonna be fun
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2022-07-01 18:33:44	WhyNotHugo	The new Wiki layout is nice on mobile, but 66% of my screen is empty on desktop, and the basic menus (including LOG IN) are hidden.
2022-07-01 18:33:58	WhyNotHugo	Seems like mobile support was taken a bit to an extreme.
2022-07-01 18:35:11	WhyNotHugo	Is the wiki on gitlab somewhere? Wouldn't mind trying to improve desktop support abit with some media queries.
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2022-07-01 18:37:34	mpan	WhyNotHugo: IIRC that’s upstream default.
2022-07-01 18:37:35	artefact	WhyNotHugo: ?useskinversion=1
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2022-07-01 18:38:23	mpan	That is: complain to MediaWiki. :)
2022-07-01 18:38:30	WhyNotHugo	artefact: That works, but I don't want to type that every time I open the wiki (I think that's pretty reasonable).
2022-07-01 18:38:35	WhyNotHugo	mpan: Oh, will do!
2022-07-01 18:38:42	WhyNotHugo	I though Wikipedia was MediaWiki.
2022-07-01 18:39:00	mpan	Which doesn’t mean Wikipedia uses the defaults. But, as I said >> IIRC <<.
2022-07-01 18:39:10	mpan	That is: 95% sure that was the explanation I heard multiple times recently.
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2022-07-01 18:41:18	WhyNotHugo	Not sure what they're thinking tho, hiding the LOGIN button behind a button that's about the same size is just silly. Plus there's sooo much empty space anyway.
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2022-07-01 18:43:43	Cysioland	Hello, got a problem that I can't open any Electron-based app, nor can I connect over L2TP
2022-07-01 18:43:50	Cysioland	Don't know where to start debugging
2022-07-01 18:44:11	Cysioland	NetworkManager doesn't throw errors, nothing suspicious in dmesg'
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2022-07-01 18:44:27	TestingPlant	try opening the app in the terminal and see if there's any errors
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2022-07-01 18:45:21	Khorne	Sounds like two problems really
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2022-07-01 18:45:56	Cysioland	got some theme parsing errors, nothing else
2022-07-01 18:46:06	Cysioland	Chrome gives some VAAPI errors
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2022-07-01 18:49:05	Cysioland	Don't have any clue what could be broken so peculiarly. Firefox works without any issues.
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2022-07-01 18:52:16	Cysioland	I'd rather avoid reinstalling the system from scratch
2022-07-01 18:52:37	Scimmia	!give Cysioland errors
2022-07-01 18:52:37	phrik	Cysioland: Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
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2022-07-01 18:53:22	Cysioland	Scimmia: the issue is that there is no discernible common error apart from Discord not proceeding past the splash screen and Chrome not appearing entirely
2022-07-01 18:53:30	Cysioland	I'll paste these in a jiffy
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2022-07-01 18:53:58	Cysioland	Chrome output: https://gist.github.com/Cysioland/fdbb94587261376c5064a2fad130eb8b
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2022-07-01 18:54:40	Cysioland	Discord output: https://gist.github.com/Cysioland/44fc3fcb89f8383395fe802012aeb07c
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2022-07-01 18:55:16	Cysioland	The whole thing is that I don't exactly know where to look for the clues
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2022-07-01 18:56:18	teraflops	look at /home/cysioland/.config/gtk-3.0/ ?
2022-07-01 18:57:17	TestingPlant	try moving ~/.config/gtk-3.0 somewhere else to see if the theming is causing an issue
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2022-07-01 18:59:07	Cysioland	same symptoms except the theme error vanished 
2022-07-01 18:59:36	Cysioland	I'll try rebooting to normal kernel as I'm currently running the zen kernel
2022-07-01 18:59:52	Scimmia	what video card/driver?
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2022-07-01 19:01:16	Cysioland	Scimmia: Nvidia with their closed drivers, I'll get the version after reboot
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2022-07-01 19:02:28	teraflops	the L2TP error could be related to kernel module version mistach
2022-07-01 19:02:38	teraflops	!kernelcheck
2022-07-01 19:02:39	phrik	compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
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2022-07-01 19:03:19	Cysioland	teraflops: they match
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2022-07-01 19:03:39	Cysioland	5.18.7.arch1-1
2022-07-01 19:03:52	Cysioland	nvidia 515.57
2022-07-01 19:03:55	tatsumaru	I have an odd DE problem on gnome. When I have overlapping windows and i want to change the window by clicking on the border on the window under the current window, it won't work if I click a part of the border that's close to the current window. As if the current window has some sort of "shadow" that's preventing me to actually click on the window below. Not sure how to describe this. I don't
2022-07-01 19:03:55	tatsumaru	have this issue on my gnome at home.
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2022-07-01 19:04:30	Namarrgon	Cysioland: you are using the testing repos?
2022-07-01 19:04:35	tatsumaru	It only works if I click a part of the borther that's further away from the current window.
2022-07-01 19:04:40	tatsumaru	border*
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2022-07-01 19:05:37	Namarrgon	Cysioland: this is either a partial update or you're not telling us something
2022-07-01 19:05:49	Cysioland	Namarrgon: got them from AUR
2022-07-01 19:05:58	Namarrgon	what did you get from the AUR?
2022-07-01 19:05:59	Cysioland	I'll revert to the stable drivers and see if it helps
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2022-07-01 19:06:18	Cysioland	Namarrgon: Chrome itself, also the Nvidia drivers
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2022-07-01 19:07:14	Scimmia	as mentioned before, we don't like paraphrasing. Give us exact or don't bother
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2022-07-01 19:08:09	Cysioland	After reboot I'll do pacman -Qm
2022-07-01 19:08:20	Cysioland	Because it's plenty of things actually 
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2022-07-01 19:15:37	Cysioland	pacman -Qm: https://gist.github.com/Cysioland/a13aacaf457d8b5efaf9a2b1147a307b
2022-07-01 19:16:33	Edu4rdSHL	Ouch
2022-07-01 19:16:59	teraflops	holy cow
2022-07-01 19:17:05	Cysioland	yeah i know it's a mess
2022-07-01 19:17:40	Cysioland	some of it is makedependencies from before i was using a sane client
2022-07-01 19:19:29	Edu4rdSHL	Cysioland, echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
2022-07-01 19:19:30	Namarrgon	https://youtu.be/xXXTeq06s4M
2022-07-01 19:19:47	Cysioland	Edu4rdSHL: x11
2022-07-01 19:19:56	Cysioland	had issues with wayland because it's nvidia
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2022-07-01 19:20:12	Edu4rdSHL	Now that you have the drivers from the repos, the result is the same?
2022-07-01 19:20:23	Cysioland	yes, down to the vaapi errors in chrome
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2022-07-01 19:21:21	Edu4rdSHL	That's quite normal. Can you open electron itself?
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2022-07-01 19:22:35	Strykar	Cysioland: you might like https://github.com/CyberShadow/aconfmgr
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2022-07-01 19:27:45	Cysioland	Strykar: will be useful if I manage to salvage this install
2022-07-01 19:27:53	Cysioland	otherwise I'll go with zfs snapshots
2022-07-01 19:28:22	Cysioland	Edu4rdSHL: from the CLI I was able to open Electron
2022-07-01 19:28:33	Edu4rdSHL	Cysioland, pacman -Qs discord
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2022-07-01 19:29:07	Cysioland	Edu4rdSHL: local/discord 0.0.18-1
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2022-07-01 19:29:43	Edu4rdSHL	Is discord the only electron app with problems or all the electron apps?
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2022-07-01 19:31:11	Cysioland	Edu4rdSHL: I can open Atom, can't open Spotify
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2022-07-01 19:31:57	Cysioland	Nextcloud sync client is also malfunctioning, as in showing offline and not allowing me into the settings
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2022-07-01 19:33:51	Edu4rdSHL	What happens if you move .config/discord and try to open it again?
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2022-07-01 19:35:15	Cysioland	Edu4rdSHL: logged me out, after logging back in it works
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2022-07-01 19:36:08	Edu4rdSHL	Try the same thing with spotify and see if that works
2022-07-01 19:36:28	Edu4rdSHL	Did your computer had a hang or unexpected shutdown before this?
2022-07-01 19:36:44	Cysioland	Before this, no
2022-07-01 19:36:58	Cysioland	After that, it fails to shutdown cleanly, being stuck on the Plymouth screen
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2022-07-01 19:37:19	Cysioland	Resetting Spotify config did not help, nor starting Chrome in a new user profile dir
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2022-07-01 19:37:54	Edu4rdSHL	Can you clean .cache/spotify ?
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2022-07-01 19:38:36	Cysioland	It did not help
2022-07-01 19:39:05	Edu4rdSHL	pacman -Qkk discord
2022-07-01 19:39:11	Edu4rdSHL	spotify
2022-07-01 19:39:12	Edu4rdSHL	I mean
2022-07-01 19:39:41	Cysioland	spotify: 79 total files, 0 altered files
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2022-07-01 19:42:23	Numero	I've got an arch desktop machine here (KDE) in a state of GUI lockup. It did it after logging in and trying to open Konsole. I've got a moving mouse pointer but all I'm left with is a Konsole window *frame* with the desktop background showing within it. 
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2022-07-01 19:43:49	Numero	i am ssh'ed into it now.
2022-07-01 19:44:13	Namarrgon	anything interesting in the kernel log?
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2022-07-01 19:48:31	bertieb	stupid question, but does sudo normally 'time-lock' an account after 3 auth failures?
2022-07-01 19:48:41	TestingPlant	yeah
2022-07-01 19:48:45	bertieb	I could swear I've never seen that behaviour before today
2022-07-01 19:48:49	Namarrgon	no but faillock may
2022-07-01 19:49:22	bertieb	aahh
2022-07-01 19:49:26	bertieb	> As of pambase 20200721.1-2, pam_faillock.so is enabled by default to lock out users for 10 minutes after 3 failed login attempts in a 15 minute period (see FS#67644).
2022-07-01 19:49:35	bertieb	cheers Namarrgon
2022-07-01 19:49:49	bertieb	so it is a relatively new thing
2022-07-01 19:49:56	TestingPlant	keep in mind that it's easily bypassed though using faillock --user $USER --reset, see https://github.com/linux-pam/linux-pam/issues/299
2022-07-01 19:50:28	bertieb	aye
2022-07-01 19:50:53	bertieb	first I'm hearing of it, so it's fair to say I don't rely on it as a security mechanism ;-P
2022-07-01 19:51:30	bertieb	cheers again
2022-07-01 19:51:39	Namarrgon	np
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2022-07-01 19:52:30	Numero	you mean dmesg output, Namarrgon ?
2022-07-01 19:52:45	Namarrgon	sure
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2022-07-01 19:59:05	Numero	Namarrgon: i dunno from these timestamps in dmesg but all i'm seeing are my own logins and things like updatedb firing off 
2022-07-01 20:00:38	Namarrgon	is this the first time it happened?
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2022-07-01 20:01:27	Numero	Namarrgon: once before; ssh'ed in and just rebooted 
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2022-07-01 20:01:45	Cysioland	Hmm, seems like my issue might be with the gnome-keyring, as running "google-chrome-stable --password-store=basic" works
2022-07-01 20:02:00	Namarrgon	Numero: nvidia?
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2022-07-01 20:02:33	Numero	Namarrgon: [AMD/ATI] Caicos XTX [Radeon HD 8490 / R5 235X OEM]
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2022-07-01 20:04:10	ℹ 	kitzman_ es conocido ahora como kitzman
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2022-07-01 20:05:00	demonicmaniac1	thats a pre gcn card not supported by amdgpu at all methinks. are you sure radeon is loaded and not amdgpu?
2022-07-01 20:05:27	Cysioland	My issue is solved: random things failing were due to me using pam_u2f and it not being able to unlock gnome keyring
2022-07-01 20:05:48	Namarrgon	Cysioland: don't forget to clean up that mess in -Qm
2022-07-01 20:06:13	Cysioland	goes without saying lol
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2022-07-01 20:08:36	Numero	demonicmaniac fwiw this machine had been working with this card a-ok for a few months
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2022-07-01 20:08:57	ℹ 	mven2 es conocido ahora como mven
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2022-07-01 20:12:59	jensln	I'm having some scary problems with my fans, they don't activate at all
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2022-07-01 20:14:51	jensln	I'm on a system76 galp5 laptop so I thought installing and activating the system76-power systemd service would be all that's needed but I'm getting the error "fan daemon: platform hwmon not found"
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2022-07-01 20:19:06	jensln	anyone have any idea what i should be looking into?
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2022-07-01 20:20:04	Numero	demonicmaniac and i expect that if i just reboot it remotely it'll work fine
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2022-07-01 20:22:28	gehidore	jensln does it require libsensors?
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2022-07-01 20:22:31	Numero	i just did "reboot" in the ssh session. Xorg stopped but the console says [FAILED] Failed to start Samba Winbind Daemon - then comes the broadcast message "The system is going down for reboot NOW!" and locks up entirely
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2022-07-01 20:24:14	jensln	gehidore: i have that installed, sensors reporting just fine; however pwmconfig reports "Permission denied" despite being run as root
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2022-07-01 20:28:32	jensln	seems this' a known issue with system76 laptops, damn
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2022-07-01 20:29:26	jensln	oh well, i need to go; thanks for the attention
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2022-07-01 20:30:45	Numero	meaning i'm left to push/hold power button
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2022-07-01 20:35:35	Numero	machine seems to be ok
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2022-07-01 21:04:29	TestingPlant	on gnome with pipewire, when using function + up/down arrow keys, the name of the input device isn't translated
2022-07-01 21:05:33	TestingPlant	the language is set to spanish in gnome-control-center and /etc/locale.conf is set to en_US.UTF-8
2022-07-01 21:07:10	ℹ 	fling_ es conocido ahora como fling
2022-07-01 21:07:18	TestingPlant	what software should I report the bug to?
2022-07-01 21:08:14	MacGyver	That sounds like an i18n issue in gnome.
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2022-07-01 21:08:38	MacGyver	Though be prepared they might point you at pipewire instead.
2022-07-01 21:08:38	TestingPlant	yeah but what project should I make an issue in?
2022-07-01 21:08:41	MacGyver	gnome.
2022-07-01 21:09:04	MacGyver	Does gnome break down into multiple projects? See if they have an i18n or internationalization project.
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2022-07-01 21:11:40	bittin	https://wiki.gnome.org/TranslationProject
2022-07-01 21:11:41	phrik	Title: TranslationProject - GNOME Wiki! (at wiki.gnome.org)
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2022-07-01 21:17:02	grammy2039	hello, im having trouble in gnome extracting a rar archive
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2022-07-01 21:17:46	grammy2039	engrampa says "archive type not supported"
2022-07-01 21:18:34	grammy2039	and some other app says file truncated or something
2022-07-01 21:18:40	grammy2039	but its doing this for multiple rars
2022-07-01 21:19:25	grammy2039	and xarchiver said some error  but now it wont even load
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2022-07-01 21:20:16	gehidore	have you tried directly with unrar?
2022-07-01 21:20:16	grammy2039	oh, xarchiver says "the proper archive for.... is not installed!"
2022-07-01 21:21:20	grammy2039	okay installing that fixed everything thanks
2022-07-01 21:21:31	grammy2039	i was looking for "rar" in the apps not unrar, duh
2022-07-01 21:21:39	grammy2039	thanks
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2022-07-01 21:24:32	tatsumaru	 I have an odd DE problem on gnome. When I have overlapping windows and i want to change the window by clicking on the border on the window under the current window, it won't work if I click a part of the border that's close to the current window. As if the current window has some sort of "shadow" that's preventing me to actually click on the window below. Not sure how to describe this. I don't
2022-07-01 21:24:32	tatsumaru	have this issue on my gnome at home. It 
2022-07-01 21:24:32	tatsumaru	only works if I click a part of the border that's further away from the current window. Any ideas?
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2022-07-01 21:39:26	grammy2039	tatsumara what WM are you using, and have you tried changing themes if its gnome
2022-07-01 21:39:34	grammy2039	WM/DE
2022-07-01 21:39:48	tatsumaru	grammy2039: I am using gnome
2022-07-01 21:39:56	grammy2039	try changing themes
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2022-07-01 22:19:29	WhyNotHugo	What's /usr/lib/systemd/catalog/systemd.be@latin.catalog ?
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2022-07-02 12:16:29	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1383 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1382 normals)
2022-07-02 09:36:47	yusonbir	I just need the right configuration that I'm missing for wireplumber, just have no idea what it is 
2022-07-02 09:58:02	cyphertite_	yusonbir:  during an earlier -Syu run today, I was asked if I wanted to install wireplumber and remove pipewire-media-session.  The default was 'N', but I chose 'y'.  Sound is working normally without any manually created wireplumber config(s).
2022-07-02 09:59:04	cyphertite_	have you seen that option?
2022-07-02 09:59:25	yusonbir	cyphertite_: yeah I installed it by selecting y, rebooted, no sound 
2022-07-02 10:01:28	cyphertite	yusonbir:  I have not rebooted, so I will - and then let you know...hang on for a few mins
2022-07-02 10:05:43	cyphertite	yusonbir:  post-reboot, sound is working correctly here with wireplumber
2022-07-02 10:06:37	madprops	might be something silly like a channel muted
2022-07-02 10:07:12	yusonbir	no, pavucontrol can't see any input/output devices
2022-07-02 10:10:19	yusonbir	what is the best way to nuke all the old config from pulseaudio and pipewire and return to defaults configs 
2022-07-02 10:21:15	ponies	for pulse, remove  ~/.config/pulse/daemon.conf, /etc/pulse/daemon.conf, ~/.config/pulse/default.pa,  /etc/pulse/default.pa,  ~/.config/pulse/client.conf, /etc/pulse/client.conf and reinstall 
2022-07-02 10:22:18	ponies	yusonbir ^ 
2022-07-02 10:23:38	yusonbir	are the pulse configs needed for pipewire installs? 
2022-07-02 10:24:50	kattjevfel	no, they aren't used
2022-07-02 10:26:57	yusonbir	ok then, if I delete /etc/pulse and .config/pulse then copy /usr/share/pipewire/* to /etc/pipewire I should have a default config ? 
2022-07-02 10:30:11	kattjevfel	there's no need to copy the files to /etc/pipewire, rather if you need to reset all pipewire configs you wipe /etc/pipewire/ and ~/.config/pipewire
2022-07-02 10:30:57	yusonbir	sure let me try that 
2022-07-02 10:32:29	yusonbir	Still dummy input/output 
2022-07-02 10:33:21	yusonbir	with pipewire, wireplumber, pipewire-pulse services enabled. Am I missing something? 
2022-07-02 10:34:24	kattjevfel	no you should get working audio with that (assuming your software uses pulse or native pipewire), or at the very least get your device showing up in pavucontrol etc
2022-07-02 10:35:35	kattjevfel	I'd check journal for any clues, other than that I'm out of ideas
2022-07-02 10:38:22	yusonbir	!paste
2022-07-02 10:38:23	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-07-02 10:39:15	yusonbir	https://paste.rs/xy1
2022-07-02 10:39:40	yusonbir	nothing apart from "Jul 02 11:31:55 at-DESKTOP wireplumber[588]: Failed to set scheduler settings: Operation not permitted" 
2022-07-02 10:40:10	kattjevfel	preferably the journal for the relevant services :p
2022-07-02 10:43:45	yusonbir	do you mean the logs that I can see from for example "systemctl status --user pipewire.service"
2022-07-02 10:44:06	yusonbir	those have the same stuff "service started" "listening on..." etc 
2022-07-02 10:44:44	kattjevfel	you can use `journalctl --user -u <service>` too, but yes.
2022-07-02 10:45:16	kattjevfel	either way then I'm out, can't do more troubleshooting with 1 hour of sleep, sorry.
2022-07-02 10:47:11	yusonbir	yeah thank you regardless
2022-07-02 10:47:49	yusonbir	I've started video playback to see if any errors popped up but no. Journal is still clean. and pavu control just shows playback on dummy output 
2022-07-02 10:55:01	cyphertite	yusonbir:  perhaps worth a shot to take pavucontrol out of the equation.  Close it - logout/on and play a file with VLC or similar 
2022-07-02 10:56:00	madprops	i've had my struggles with this topic myself
2022-07-02 10:56:04	madprops	im just glad my audio works
2022-07-02 10:56:17	madprops	most i have to do now is open pavucontrol when i change sources
2022-07-02 10:56:25	madprops	because else it won't auto-detect
2022-07-02 11:01:22	yusonbir	cyphertite: no dice. I've noticed that "alsactl info" shows the correct audio devices but "pw-cli" and obviously pactl ls does not
2022-07-02 11:03:06	cyphertite	that sucks, but I'm out of ideas for now
2022-07-02 11:56:00	godSend23	is it normal for linux to mount device (/dev/sdb2) as "/home/partimag" for imaging?
2022-07-02 11:57:24	Khorne	Did you tell it to?
2022-07-02 11:57:27	Ingar	if linux mounts anything anywhere, you told it to do so
2022-07-02 11:57:33	Khorne	It's normal for it to not mount /dev/sdb2 at all
2022-07-02 11:58:23	godSend23	hi guys, it was done via CloneZ app
2022-07-02 11:58:54	godSend23	hoping it doesn't overwrite my entire ext HD once i specify a directory already
2022-07-02 12:07:39	godSend23	help?
2022-07-02 12:08:05	Khorne	With what?
2022-07-02 12:09:16	godSend23	i want to make sure this app only images to certain location
2022-07-02 12:09:58	Khorne	Ok?
2022-07-02 12:10:04	Khorne	Ask the support for that app
2022-07-02 12:10:21	Khorne	How are we supposed to know what partition you want to image or clone
2022-07-02 12:11:49	godSend23	right, just making sure the app behaves the way i think it should
2022-07-02 12:16:33	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-02 12:17:27	madprops	I noticed that if I don't "clean build" a git-based aur package, it doesn't get recompiled?
2022-07-02 12:17:38	madprops	i had to set it to clean build for changes to take effect
2022-07-02 12:17:57	madprops	is that something I can modify in the pkgbuild so that is not necessary?
2022-07-02 12:18:30	Namarrgon	how are you building it?
2022-07-02 12:18:59	madprops	!paste
2022-07-02 12:18:59	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-07-02 12:19:27	madprops	https://bpa.st/GXZQ
2022-07-02 12:19:27	phrik	Title: View paste GXZQ (at bpa.st)
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2022-07-02 12:19:29	Namarrgon	makepkg will check whether there's already a package with that version in $PKGDEST, and won't rebuild again unless you force it
2022-07-02 12:20:15	madprops	im not changing versions since it's git based
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2022-07-02 12:20:35	Namarrgon	you posted only half of the PKGBUILD, if that is even a PKGBUILD
2022-07-02 12:20:35	madprops	maybe im not understanding something
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2022-07-02 12:21:01	Namarrgon	are you using makepkg or some wrapper?
2022-07-02 12:21:12	madprops	full: https://bpa.st/762A
2022-07-02 12:21:12	phrik	Title: View paste 762A (at bpa.st)
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2022-07-02 12:21:27	Namarrgon	the pkgver() function is missing
2022-07-02 12:21:34	madprops	oh hm
2022-07-02 12:21:44	nl6720	madprops: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VCS_package_guidelines#The_pkgver()_function
2022-07-02 12:21:45	phrik	Title: VCS package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-02 12:21:46	Namarrgon	without it makepkg will use whatever is set in $pkgver, every time
2022-07-02 12:22:55	Namarrgon	you should probably not rename the source here either
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2022-07-02 12:27:48	cws6969	permit persist setenv { PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" }  test-user-name as root
2022-07-02 12:27:49	cws6969	"PATH" doesn't seem to work
2022-07-02 12:27:50	cws6969	Cannot execute commands in /usr/sbin
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2022-07-02 12:28:28	cws6969	i am using doas
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2022-07-02 12:29:42	cws6969	i am using doas
2022-07-02 12:29:43	cws6969	The following line is the configuration
2022-07-02 12:29:43	cws6969	permit persist setenv { PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" }  test-user-name as root
2022-07-02 12:29:44	cws6969	but "PATH" doesn't seem to work
2022-07-02 12:29:44	cws6969	Cannot execute commands in /usr/sbin
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2022-07-02 12:30:25	Namarrgon	cws6969: wait some time before you spam your question again, give people a chance to answer
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2022-07-02 12:31:38	ℹ 	Tema establecido por Namarrgon el vie, 06 may 2022 01:12:11
2022-07-02 12:31:38	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1385 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1384 normals)
2022-07-02 12:31:48	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-07-02 12:31:49	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-07-02 12:31:50	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-02 12:32:38	tirnanog	what are you running exactly to test the rule?
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2022-07-02 12:33:11	tirnanog	that's a potentially important component to reasoning with the behaviour.
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2022-07-02 12:33:37	cws6969	doas modprobe cramfs
2022-07-02 12:33:38	cws6969	doas: modprobe: command not found
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2022-07-02 12:41:11	tirnanog	I see. hmm.
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2022-07-02 12:45:16	tirnanog	cws6969: it works here. please pastebin the output of: od -An -a < /etc/doas.conf
2022-07-02 12:45:30	Scimmia	cws6969: what distro is this?
2022-07-02 12:47:12	cws6969	@tirnanog     p   e   r   m   i   t  sp   p   e   r   s   i   s   t  sp   s
2022-07-02 12:47:13	cws6969	   e   t   e   n   v  sp   {  sp   P   A   T   H   =   "   /   u
2022-07-02 12:47:13	cws6969	   s   r   /   l   o   c   a   l   /   s   b   i   n   :   /   u
2022-07-02 12:47:14	cws6969	   s   r   /   l   o   c   a   l   /   b   i   n   :   /   u   s
2022-07-02 12:47:14	cws6969	   r   /   s   b   i   n   :   /   u   s   r   /   b   i   n   :
2022-07-02 12:47:15	cws6969	   /   s   b   i   n   :   /   b   i   n   "  sp   }  sp   c   w
2022-07-02 12:47:15	cws6969	   s  nl   p   e   r   m   i   t  sp   n   o   p   a   s   s  sp
2022-07-02 12:47:16	cws6969	   k   e   e   p   e   n   v  sp   c   w   s  sp   a   s  sp   r
2022-07-02 12:47:16	cws6969	   o   o   t  sp   c   m   d  sp   r   e   b   o   o   t  nl   p
2022-07-02 12:47:17	cws6969	   e   r   m   i   t  sp   n   o   p   a   s   s  sp   k   e   e
2022-07-02 12:47:17	cws6969	   p   e   n   v  sp   c   w   s  sp   a   s  sp   r   o   o   t
2022-07-02 12:47:18	cws6969	  sp   c   m   d  sp   h   a   l   t  nl   p   e   r   m   i   t
2022-07-02 12:47:18	◣	EMIYA_ ha expulsado cws6969 (flood limit)
2022-07-02 12:47:20	tirnanog	:(
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2022-07-02 12:49:39	cws6969	od -An -a < /etc/doas.conf          at   here             https://bpa.st/6O3Q
2022-07-02 12:49:39	phrik	Title: View paste 6O3Q (at bpa.st)
2022-07-02 12:50:07	cws6969	i see
2022-07-02 12:50:26	Scimmia	and which distro?
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2022-07-02 12:50:45	cws6969	devuan 4
2022-07-02 12:50:55	Scimmia	!give cws6969 notarch
2022-07-02 12:50:55	phrik	cws6969: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
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2022-07-02 12:52:43	cws6969	ok , i see .
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2022-07-02 13:25:44	grtcdr	Hey guys, I found an out of date AUR package that I'd like to update, how may I contribute to the git repository to make the package up to date again? I found a relevant section in the Arch Wiki that doesn't really help (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_User_Repository#Foo_in_the_AUR_is_outdated;_what_should_I_do?).
2022-07-02 13:25:45	phrik	Title: Arch User Repository - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-02 13:26:37	tirnanog	the guidance seems clear enough.
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2022-07-02 13:27:04	grtcdr	It's clear in that nothing should be done.
2022-07-02 13:27:04	Namarrgon	there is no PR/MR system, if that's what you had in mind
2022-07-02 13:27:24	grtcdr	Hmm, how is it that certain packages have multiple contributors?
2022-07-02 13:27:45	Namarrgon	inheritance or co-maintainership
2022-07-02 13:28:03	Namarrgon	if you're not a (co)maintainer then you can't push to the repo
2022-07-02 13:28:05	grtcdr	Okay, fair enough. I'll just keep the change to myself then; thank you for the help.
2022-07-02 13:28:22	Namarrgon	you can post a link to the changes in a comment
2022-07-02 13:28:54	◣	LordRishav (~LordRisha@user/lordrishav) ha salido (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2022-07-02 13:28:55	grtcdr	I can do definitely do that, should I send the diff?
2022-07-02 13:28:58	The-Compiler	(or the changes themselves, if trivial enough, IIRC the comments support markdown)
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2022-07-02 15:42:19	madprops	no i wasn't modifying the srcinfo manually
2022-07-02 15:42:26	madprops	i just misunderstood something
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2022-07-02 18:05:14	psychotron	I kind broke my arch, it hibernated on update...
2022-07-02 18:05:30	psychotron	I kind a broke my arch, it hibernated on update...
2022-07-02 18:05:53	psychotron	how do I fix the kernel that is lost?
2022-07-02 18:06:01	Scimmia	finish the update, and reinstall all packages that were part of that update
2022-07-02 18:06:03	another|	boot into a live system
2022-07-02 18:06:53	psychotron	it does not boot the kernel? do I change the symlink or something?
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2022-07-02 18:07:40	psychotron	I could use clonezilla to copy this one back to it but...
2022-07-02 18:07:41	another|	what symlink
2022-07-02 18:07:54	psychotron	I would like to fix the kernel
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2022-07-02 18:08:21	another|	boot into the arch installer, mount chroot, reinstall
2022-07-02 18:08:32	psychotron	so you don't know how to fix this?
2022-07-02 18:08:33	another|	s/mount/mount,/
2022-07-02 18:08:51	Scimmia	psychotron: if you're not going to listen to people that tell you how to fix it, what are you doing here?
2022-07-02 18:08:54	another|	You were told twice already
2022-07-02 18:09:06	psychotron	I would like to use systemrescue on a stick
2022-07-02 18:09:12	Scimmia	and?
2022-07-02 18:09:13	another|	then do that
2022-07-02 18:09:39	psychotron	fix it with that some how
2022-07-02 18:09:55	psychotron	I don't remember how
2022-07-02 18:09:55	Scimmia	and we already told you how
2022-07-02 18:10:39	psychotron	where is the beginners how to?
2022-07-02 18:10:52	Scimmia	how did you install Arch?
2022-07-02 18:11:02	psychotron	cd 
2022-07-02 18:11:10	Scimmia	what cd
2022-07-02 18:11:11	psychotron	in a drive
2022-07-02 18:11:24	psychotron	don't remember
2022-07-02 18:11:26	Scimmia	yeah, this is just trolling
2022-07-02 18:11:35	another|	argreed
2022-07-02 18:11:42	psychotron	used the beginners how to
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2022-07-02 18:16:50	psychotron	there is no such thing anymore
2022-07-02 18:17:10	psychotron	and I forgot to eat
2022-07-02 18:17:33	psychotron	never use lid closure as hibernate any longer
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2022-07-02 18:25:51	uuidNuniq	who is trolling
2022-07-02 18:26:37	uuidNuniq	let me kick it's ass
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2022-07-02 18:26:58	Namarrgon	uuidNuniq: #archlinux-offtopic
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2022-07-02 18:29:04	uuidNuniq	Namarrgon: lol
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2022-07-02 18:32:35	another|	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide
2022-07-02 18:32:36	◣	cdown (~cdown@user/cdown) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2022-07-02 18:32:36	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-02 18:35:36	uuidNuniq	i don't get it. CD drives are almost gone from this world. why do they still release ISO images instead of usb format IMGs. and also the virtual machine programs,,, hell, they use ISO
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2022-07-02 18:39:09	another|	why not both?
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2022-07-02 18:39:34	another|	the arch isos are hybrid. as are most other distros
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2022-07-02 18:40:37	Khorne	But then we couldn't senselessly complain about it
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2022-07-02 18:43:10	Strykar	aye, I want Blu Ray images
2022-07-02 18:44:28	another|	ok.jpg
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2022-07-02 18:45:50	Strykar	ew JPEGs, PNG or gtfo
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2022-07-02 18:52:29	another|	okay.avif
2022-07-02 18:53:13	uuidNuniq	how about svg
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2022-07-02 18:59:27	zulc22	hey, is there a way to disable pacman managing python packages? it seems to pretty much always cause problems for me
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2022-07-02 18:59:59	MrElendig	zulc22: no, you using sudo pip or pip --user is whats causing problems
2022-07-02 19:00:08	grawity	no, if you install python-foo, pacman will manage python-foo, you can't opt out of that
2022-07-02 19:00:13	MrElendig	zulc22: use venvs for stuff you don't want system wide
2022-07-02 19:01:13	zulc22	okay so like i know that
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2022-07-02 19:01:41	zulc22	but how would i reinstall python and packages without uninstalling everything that requires python or a pacman python package
2022-07-02 19:01:47	Scimmia	and yet you're not doing it or you wouldn't have problems?
2022-07-02 19:02:09	MrElendig	zulc22: 1. why would you have to?  2. same way as anything else: pacman -S thepackage
2022-07-02 19:02:33	zulc22	because many files that are expected to not exist or be managed by pacman do???
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2022-07-02 19:04:09	zulc22	like the issue is that i have stuff in my python lib folder and pacman doesn't like that
2022-07-02 19:04:41	zulc22	i have to clean it out and i do not know how to properly remove all files from there and reinstall every python-* package
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2022-07-02 19:05:15	Thaodan	because you shouldn't use two package manager's that share a path
2022-07-02 19:05:36	Thaodan	if you want to install stuff to /usr package it
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2022-07-02 19:06:58	MrElendig	if you used venv you would not have this problem in the first place :)
2022-07-02 19:07:00	zulc22	can you PLEASE stop telling me it's my fault, i'm AWARE
2022-07-02 19:07:03	zulc22	JESUS
2022-07-02 19:07:22	MrElendig	there is a script floating around to track down unowned files
2022-07-02 19:07:37	⚡ 	MrElendig can't remember the name of it off the top of his head
2022-07-02 19:07:56	grawity	run -Qo on all of them, throw away the results, keep the "not owned by any package" error messages
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2022-07-02 19:08:54	Scimmia	lostfiles in Community will do it
2022-07-02 19:09:35	zulc22	Qo on all of what? all files in /lib/python3.10?
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2022-07-02 19:10:00	zulc22	oh ok hold on
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2022-07-02 19:11:23	grawity	the ones that you want to clean out
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2022-07-02 19:12:06	zulc22	well i want to clean out "everything within /lib/python3.10", and that command doesnt seem to work recursively
2022-07-02 19:12:28	zulc22	it tells me which packages AFFECT that folder so can i rm -rf that folder and reinstall all of those without causing damage?
2022-07-02 19:12:30	grawity	shopt -s globstar; pacman -Qo /lib/python3.10/**
2022-07-02 19:12:36	grawity	worst case, delete all files and just -S all the python packages (without removing them) to bring the 'correct' files back
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2022-07-02 19:13:46	grawity	afterwardds a -Qkk can be used to check if any packages are still missing some files in general
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2022-07-02 19:19:33	tirnanog	there's a very good chance of hitting ARG_MAX. I'd suggest find -exec and sorting as a secondary phase, if desired.
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2022-07-02 19:24:07	agregory	find /lib/python3.10 | pacman -Qo -
2022-07-02 19:24:32	zulc22	ok i seem to have solved it
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2022-07-02 19:25:11	zulc22	hold on i'll post what i did after -Syu finishes
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2022-07-02 19:38:53	zulc22	i did these cmds
2022-07-02 19:38:55	zulc22	pacman -Qo /lib/python3.10 | awk '{ print $5 }' - > reinstallthese
2022-07-02 19:39:06	zulc22	cat reinstallthese | xargs yay -S --noconfirm --overwrite \*
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2022-07-02 19:44:17	ℹ 	wallabra_ es conocido ahora como wallabra
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2022-07-02 19:44:26	ℹ 	txtsd_ es conocido ahora como txtsd
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2022-07-02 19:46:16	tirnanog	find /usr/lib/python3.10 | pacman -Qo - 2>&1 >/dev/null | sed -n 's/^error: No package owns //p'
2022-07-02 19:46:26	tirnanog	oh, they left.
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2022-07-02 19:53:25	susi	ARG_MAX seems to be pretty hard to hit these days on a common system
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2022-07-02 19:54:43	agregory	the exact command given does just that on my system
2022-07-02 19:54:56	◣	futune (~futune@62.92.112.13) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2022-07-02 19:55:05	susi	what's `getconf ARG_MAX` for you?
2022-07-02 19:55:06	demonicmaniac	susi: it's really not at all
2022-07-02 19:56:00	agregory	2097152
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2022-07-02 19:56:36	BrainDamage	you can drop the xargs and use stdin input
2022-07-02 19:56:45	BrainDamage	aka -
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2022-07-02 19:57:41	BrainDamage	bonus points, you don't have to go crazy about quote escaping and expansions ...
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2022-07-02 19:59:24	ℹ 	vxwarlock es conocido ahora como vx_captain
2022-07-02 20:00:32	susi	agregory: `pacman -Qo /lib/python3.10/**` hit the limits for you? how much `pacman -Qo /lib/python3.10 | wc -l` ?
2022-07-02 20:01:19	agregory	not sure what you think that's going to tell you
2022-07-02 20:03:38	psychotron	I'm not sure if you can help people by questioning their mind set
2022-07-02 20:03:50	◣	brassado (~FP@user/brassado) ha salido (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2022-07-02 20:04:09	◣	akaWolf (~akaWolf@akawolf.org) ha salido (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2022-07-02 20:04:14	psychotron	fffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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2022-07-02 20:05:05	neubulae	hello, after upgrading to wireplumber my audio fails to function again, the sink is not properly detected and it defaults to a wrong one, here's wpctl output: https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/bf311d80bbcf4020a16805853262a98e
2022-07-02 20:05:06	phrik	Title: pastefile1 · paste.gg (at paste.gg)
2022-07-02 20:05:44	neubulae	this is the pw-dump https://0x0.st/oQKy.txt
2022-07-02 20:06:14	psychotron	Don't take a dump, hold it in forever
2022-07-02 20:06:38	susi	my /lib/python3.10/** is just 30839 characters, was just wondering you must have quite a lot site packages or something then, if that command hits your ARG_MAX
2022-07-02 20:06:57	susi	was just curious, that's all
2022-07-02 20:07:10	psychotron	curious george?
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2022-07-02 20:08:21	ℹ 	PenguinAtHome1 es conocido ahora como PenguinAtHome
2022-07-02 20:08:28	psychotron	keep on fighting each other forever
2022-07-02 20:09:12	psychotron	kill em all metallica told you so
2022-07-02 20:09:44	BrainDamage	psychotron: are you a chatbot? because you're doing a pretty damn good job at failing the turing test atm
2022-07-02 20:09:44	Namarrgon	psychotron: if you don't want to participate then that's fine but at least don't get in the way
2022-07-02 20:10:04	agregory	shopt -s globstar; echo /lib/python3.10/** | wc ->       1   31531 2291895
2022-07-02 20:10:16	psychotron	Namarrgon: am I on front of you on your way
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2022-07-02 20:10:54	psychotron	the beginners how to is removed
2022-07-02 20:11:22	Namarrgon	your actions won't bring it back
2022-07-02 20:11:33	psychotron	o'rly
2022-07-02 20:11:36	BrainDamage	ok, I'm gonna give you a couple more nonsense phrases margin, then I'll mute you
2022-07-02 20:12:02	psychotron	sure you have the damage already
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2022-07-02 20:12:18	neubulae	wtf moments
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2022-07-02 20:13:56	achilleas	pacman upgrade stuck on "Processing package changes" for a few minutes.  This seems bad..?
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2022-07-02 20:14:53	achilleas	iotop is quiet, but htop shows pacman taking up 100% of a single core
2022-07-02 20:15:30	Namarrgon	anything funny in dmesg?
2022-07-02 20:15:51	◣	agregory (~agregory@98.47.51.213) ha salido (Quit: agregory)
2022-07-02 20:16:31	artefact	achilleas: $(sudo cat /proc/$(pidof pacman)/stack) ?
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2022-07-02 20:17:11	thurstylark	lots of weird characters in pronounceable groups... no telling what that could mean
2022-07-02 20:17:14	⚡ 	thurstylark ducks
2022-07-02 20:17:31	achilleas	Namarrgon: not that I can tell
2022-07-02 20:17:33	achilleas	artefact: checking
2022-07-02 20:17:44	⚡ 	MrElendig doesn't see characters, he sees a lady in a red dress and a cat
2022-07-02 20:18:01	achilleas	artefact: empty
2022-07-02 20:18:31	BrainDamage	I don't remember such text in pacman tho, is that a hook?
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2022-07-02 20:19:06	achilleas	it's right after pre-transaction hooks
2022-07-02 20:19:17	BrainDamage	ah, it's before starting the actual extraction
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2022-07-02 20:20:11	achilleas	I've thrown a couple of SIGINTs and got the "Interrupt signal received" message, but it's still sitting there
2022-07-02 20:20:15	BrainDamage	maybe lsof pacman ?
2022-07-02 20:20:42	BrainDamage	if it didn't start to extract things, it should be safe to hard kill
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2022-07-02 20:22:08	achilleas	lsof shows /var/lib/pacman/local/pipewire-media-session-1:0.4.1-2/install and /tmp/alpm_1OLSL3/.INSTALL
2022-07-02 20:23:18	achilleas	and they're still there...
2022-07-02 20:23:36	agregory	what do those scripts run?
2022-07-02 20:24:15	◣	lawliet (~bladerunn@112.79.74.126) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2022-07-02 20:24:22	Scimmia	pre_remove does   systemctl --global disable pipewire-media-session.service
2022-07-02 20:24:50	achilleas	they're both the same script and yeah, what Scimmia said
2022-07-02 20:24:50	Scimmia	not sure of the one in /tmp, obviously
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2022-07-02 20:25:18	◣	flower_ (~archie@217-123-218-6.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-07-02 20:25:50	achilleas	if I "sudo systemctl --global status pipewire-media-session.service" I get "Failed to connect to bus: No medium found"
2022-07-02 20:26:03	agregory	pre_remove doesn't run on upgrades
2022-07-02 20:26:26	achilleas	it should for this, pipewire-media-session is being replaced in the upgrade
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2022-07-02 20:26:38	agregory	ah
2022-07-02 20:26:44	achilleas	with wireplumber
2022-07-02 20:28:40	achilleas	I'm gonna hard kill.  Worst case, I restore a snapshot
2022-07-02 20:29:06	Scimmia	Was there any pre-transaction hooks?
2022-07-02 20:29:32	achilleas	etckeeper, removing linux initcpios, and unregistering haskell
2022-07-02 20:30:05	Scimmia	so rebooting would be a bad idea
2022-07-02 20:30:19	Scimmia	need to actually do the update, but if dbus is broken...
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2022-07-02 20:49:37	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1420 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1419 normals)
2022-07-02 20:30:30	BrainDamage	if you -S again the same packages, if it succeeds, it should work
2022-07-02 20:30:56	achilleas	hard killed and redid the upgrade.  seems fine now
2022-07-02 20:32:03	achilleas	http://ix.io/41rX
2022-07-02 20:33:00	achilleas	I assume error was a failure to unregister the haskell modules that were already unregistered?
2022-07-02 20:35:33	achilleas	all seems good now.  thanks everyone :)
2022-07-02 20:48:38	tatsumaru	hey, my notebook speakers are very quiet and I can't hear what they are saying in tv shows. I am already at max volume. Is there anyway to boost volume beyond max?
2022-07-02 20:49:13	MrElendig	pulse/pipe allows for boosting (quality may drop)
2022-07-02 20:49:34	MrElendig	a better solution are headphones
2022-07-02 20:49:43	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-02 20:51:30	Edu4rdSHL	Notebook speakers are always bad, but I do not get the "what they are saying in tv shows", I mean, they work fine when you play music? 
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2022-07-02 20:52:21	tatsumaru	MrElendig: yeah i know but I don't have headphones here, It's just a temp solution
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2022-07-02 20:53:18	tatsumaru	can you tell me how to do it with pulse?
2022-07-02 20:53:50	MrElendig	most mixers should allow it
2022-07-02 20:54:03	teraflops	you open pavucontrol and slide the vol beyond 100
2022-07-02 20:54:16	◣	swifteh (~swifteh@user/bsleep) ha salido (Quit: Goodbye!)
2022-07-02 20:54:22	MrElendig	or pacmd set-sink-volume  or whatever you prefer
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2022-07-02 20:54:53	MrElendig	pactl can go way over 200% even (hw dependent)
2022-07-02 20:55:06	Betal	alsamixer might help too
2022-07-02 20:55:24	tatsumaru	pavucontrol solved it thanks
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2022-07-02 20:55:51	MrElendig	tip: doing it per application can save your ears/speaker
2022-07-02 20:57:15	tatsumaru	MrElendig: yeah I only increased it for the video player
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2022-07-03 10:59:53	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1390 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1389 normals)
2022-07-03 01:34:41	Vorpal	I use quite a bit of niche software, so yeah
2022-07-03 01:35:13	MacGyver	Though that's not entirely true, I did heavily alter a script buried in a github discussion to scratch an itch I had about restarting when a build failed.
2022-07-03 01:36:46	demonicmaniac1	you can theoretically just be stupid and auracle dump everything and then go through it with devtools to install into chroot until everything built...but yeah :D
2022-07-03 01:36:48	Vorpal	oh? did you submit a PR?
2022-07-03 01:37:14	Thaodan	external build dependencies are the start of repo management you start to build your own repo.
2022-07-03 01:37:29	MacGyver	Vorpal: No, it was part of a discussion already weighed in on by alad, basically saying "yeah I don't want to actually do this *in* aurutils, but here's a script to scratch that".
2022-07-03 01:37:30	demonicmaniac1	aur packages with aur depencies though unless maintained by the same person or being all -git are pure hell anyways though
2022-07-03 01:37:42	godSend23	has anybody done memory imaging off an initial boot?
2022-07-03 01:37:44	Vorpal	Thaodan: except that is what aurutils does for me. I do have my own local repo, that aurutils manages
2022-07-03 01:37:56	Vorpal	ah
2022-07-03 01:38:04	Thaodan	Vorpal: I know that's why it's good 
2022-07-03 01:38:10	MacGyver	Vorpal: It's basically for when you're doing a *full*, don't check version, just rebuild *everything* rebuild.
2022-07-03 01:38:15	Thaodan	It's the only way to cleanly build such packages.
2022-07-03 01:38:21	MacGyver	Vorpal: When that fails halfway through, you're kinda screwed.
2022-07-03 01:38:50	Vorpal	also alad had some good reasons wrt not updating installed packages except in the case of builds outside chroot
2022-07-03 01:38:59	Namarrgon	godSend23: is this in any way related to arch?
2022-07-03 01:39:42	Vorpal	MacGyver: not sure why I would want to do a full rebuild. Also yeah you are screwed unless you are doing it in chroot (so it hasn't touched the host system yet)
2022-07-03 01:40:00	Vorpal	I have rebuilt single packages due to sonames sometimes
2022-07-03 01:40:14	Thaodan	Using lvm-cache with btrfs feels kinda weird, I hope I could use either. 
2022-07-03 01:40:20	godSend23	maybe not sure yet
2022-07-03 01:40:35	MacGyver	Vorpal: Because I don't want to spend the time and effort figuring out exactly which packages need a rebuild after a system upgrade.
2022-07-03 01:40:42	MacGyver	It's much faster to just do a blanket rebuild.
2022-07-03 01:40:56	Vorpal	there was a command for it...
2022-07-03 01:41:01	⚡ 	Vorpal tries to remember
2022-07-03 01:41:20	Vorpal	checkrebuild
2022-07-03 01:41:30	Vorpal	in package rebuild-detector
2022-07-03 01:41:32	MacGyver	I actually looks like there's been some activity on this this year, I didn't look into that yet. https://github.com/AladW/aurutils/issues/908
2022-07-03 01:41:38	Thaodan	does aurutils track dependencies and dependency maps?
2022-07-03 01:41:54	Thaodan	This pretty much what makes obs so beatiful
2022-07-03 01:42:18	Foxboron	Thaodan: what does obs do?>
2022-07-03 01:42:27	Vorpal	how do you mean? It can figure out what needs to be built in what order
2022-07-03 01:42:30	Foxboron	I don't know what "tracking" means in this case
2022-07-03 01:42:33	Vorpal	also obs as in open build system?
2022-07-03 01:42:54	Vorpal	I thought that was just a CI system provided by SuSE?
2022-07-03 01:43:36	Vorpal	MacGyver: I assume you use the ninja support in aurutils then?
2022-07-03 01:43:50	Vorpal	and there is a keep going flag that works if you use that
2022-07-03 01:43:53	MacGyver	Vorpal: No, I do not, this script predates that support it looks like.
2022-07-03 01:43:56	Vorpal	ah
2022-07-03 01:44:08	MacGyver	Like I said, I haven't looked into this progress made this year yet.
2022-07-03 01:44:10	Foxboron	The ninja hack is nice. I was suppose to do something with it
2022-07-03 01:44:41	Thaodan	Foxboron: OBS track circular dependencies and track which package needs to be rebuild when. The package will be rebuild and checked with obs-verify if it needs to be moved to the binary repo.
2022-07-03 01:44:49	Thaodan	*tracks
2022-07-03 01:44:55	Foxboron	Thaodan: you are just describing normal dependency resolution
2022-07-03 01:45:20	Vorpal	MacGyver: there is a lot coming in the next release too. Also the release after that will have rewritten faster better and fancier search iirc
2022-07-03 01:45:48	MacGyver	Vorpal: What the script does, effectively, is dump the package list to be rebuilt into a tmpfile, and then for every package in that list, pull the dependency *tree*, process that tree, and every successful rebuild gets removed from the package list. When a package fails, it gets stored in another list that gets printed in the end.
2022-07-03 01:45:54	Foxboron	"needs to be rebuilt whent" is also ambigious as it's not a trivial problem. It's either blindly looking at the reverse dependencies or has ecosystem specific knowhow, which i doubt is the case
2022-07-03 01:46:08	Vorpal	hm
2022-07-03 01:46:14	MacGyver	So at the end I get rebuilds for all packages that naively succeeded, and a list of packages that need manual intervention.
2022-07-03 01:46:30	Vorpal	I remember back when I used gentoo, it could somehow track what needed to be rebuilt
2022-07-03 01:46:35	Vorpal	based on so-names maybe?
2022-07-03 01:46:39	Foxboron	Vorpal: just to some degree
2022-07-03 01:46:44	Foxboron	so-names is the easy one
2022-07-03 01:46:50	Vorpal	this was over a deacade ago
2022-07-03 01:47:06	MacGyver	Can checkrebuilds tell me when a package might need a rebuilt just because the system python got bumped?
2022-07-03 01:47:07	Vorpal	I don't remember much of gentoo except waiting forever for builds on my Pentium 4
2022-07-03 01:47:09	Foxboron	Tracking perl/ruby/python etc is a much harder problem
2022-07-03 01:47:21	MacGyver	s/rebuilt/rebuild/
2022-07-03 01:47:22	Foxboron	MacGyver: It tries on perl/python anndd so-names
2022-07-03 01:47:25	Vorpal	MacGyver: soname only I belive
2022-07-03 01:47:32	Vorpal	oh, I'm wrong then
2022-07-03 01:47:33	MacGyver	Yeah, so, "tries" is not good enough for me.
2022-07-03 01:47:44	MacGyver	I rather just fire off the rebuild and go make a coffee.
2022-07-03 01:47:58	MacGyver	Different priorities.
2022-07-03 01:47:58	Foxboron	Vorpal: https://github.com/maximbaz/rebuild-detector/blob/master/checkrebuild#L118
2022-07-03 01:48:09	Vorpal	nice
2022-07-03 01:48:14	Vorpal	anyway, I need to sleep. Good night
2022-07-03 01:48:16	Foxboron	But pay attention that it's ecosystem specific
2022-07-03 01:48:38	MacGyver	We should explain the concept of bouncer to Vorpal.
2022-07-03 01:48:49	Foxboron	I dont know maaannn
2022-07-03 01:49:25	Foxboron	MacGyver: I have been dealing with package rebuilding and stuff. I wrote hacks which resolves local dependency trees, builds it into a repository and allows me to spawn containers with the repo to test stuff
2022-07-03 01:49:43	Foxboron	I also now started throwing some of those ideas into buildbot to have automated and distributed rebuilds
2022-07-03 01:49:46	Foxboron	just needs a bit more work
2022-07-03 01:50:25	MacGyver	Yeah as a packager I imagine it's much more valuable to be able to tell which packages actually need a rebuild.
2022-07-03 01:51:02	Foxboron	"actually need" is still hard :p but yes
2022-07-03 01:51:56	Foxboron	https://paste.xinu.at/DdoML2SnT7oLfX1tW2/ :p
2022-07-03 01:53:04	MacGyver	You have my sympathies.
2022-07-03 01:53:50	Foxboron	still the most well written bash thing I have done
2022-07-03 01:53:58	MacGyver	It's indeed very readable.
2022-07-03 01:54:06	MacGyver	I just can't imagine it was a lot of fun writing.
2022-07-03 01:54:26	Foxboron	It was actually very fun because I wrote it composable. So I just wrote the sub-commands I needed to complete each function
2022-07-03 01:54:36	Foxboron	err to complete each command
2022-07-03 01:55:07	Foxboron	https://paste.xinu.at/DdoML2SnT7oLfX1tW2/#n320 like that
2022-07-03 01:57:04	MacGyver	Ah, nice.
2022-07-03 01:57:23	MacGyver	Actual useful use of argv[0] too, I like it.
2022-07-03 01:57:49	Foxboron	Yes, it felt very clever when I wrote :p
2022-07-03 01:58:34	MacGyver	I will admit, I think you *might* want to document that feature very clearly somewhere.
2022-07-03 01:58:52	Foxboron	It's never going anywhere beyond my own $PATH frankly :p
2022-07-03 01:58:59	MacGyver	Even then.
2022-07-03 01:59:03	MacGyver	Do you trust yourself in ten years?
2022-07-03 01:59:08	Foxboron	No
2022-07-03 01:59:08	MacGyver	I sure as hell don't.
2022-07-03 01:59:29	Foxboron	But; I'm not building package cycles for Arch Linux locally on my own machine in 10 years
2022-07-03 01:59:53	MacGyver	You keep telling yourself that ;)
2022-07-03 02:00:20	Foxboron	https://buildbot.pkgbuild.com/#/ :)
2022-07-03 02:00:21	phrik	Title: Buildbot (at buildbot.pkgbuild.com)
2022-07-03 02:00:55	Thaodan	Foxboron: I know needs to be rebuilt whent" did sound ambigious English isn't my first language.. But yes excosystem specific configuration can be applied in prjconf. I think most rebuild can be avoided by reproduceable builds. If the dependency changes for whatever reason a rebuild makes sense I think.
2022-07-03 02:02:17	Foxboron	Thaodan: Sure, but what I'm getting at is that it probably has so-name detection stuff. But things like python wouldn't be detected
2022-07-03 02:03:11	Thaodan	Foxboron: They will if the package manager support it.
2022-07-03 02:03:23	Thaodan	e.g. rpm track python symbols
2022-07-03 02:03:30	Foxboron	There are no symbols?
2022-07-03 02:03:41	Foxboron	I'm not sure what rpm would be tracking here
2022-07-03 02:03:58	Thaodan	not directly but you track the provided python packages and there versions.
2022-07-03 02:04:22	Thaodan	rpm extends the definitions of symbol in this way.
2022-07-03 02:04:44	Foxboron	But python is interpreted, you don't *need* rebuilds. It would largely just be done to see if the test suite passes (if there is a test suite)
2022-07-03 02:05:04	Thaodan	E.g. to track build dependencies with pkgconfig instead of package names.
2022-07-03 02:05:35	Foxboron	You are mixing up a few concepts; the copr stuff fedora uses does reverse package builds to track breakage in the ecosystem, not for rebuilds
2022-07-03 02:05:54	Foxboron	And they serve two different purposes really
2022-07-03 02:06:21	Thaodan	I know that doesn't really apply for python unless there are native modules.
2022-07-03 02:06:44	Thaodan	obs does that too for the same purpose at the same time.
2022-07-03 02:06:54	Foxboron	they are not rebuilds, though
2022-07-03 02:07:03	Thaodan	I think that's why it may sounds like that.
2022-07-03 02:07:04	Foxboron	(if they do it as described)
2022-07-03 02:07:16	MacGyver	All this talk about python reminds me I should at some point rejoin that channel.
2022-07-03 02:07:54	pyrogon	Can I ask a stupid question?
2022-07-03 02:08:06	NetSysFire	dont ask to ask, just ask
2022-07-03 02:08:11	MacGyver	pyrogon: Possibly, why don't you have a go?
2022-07-03 02:08:15	pyrogon	Why am I supposed to hate systemd?
2022-07-03 02:08:25	MacGyver	They say there are no stupid questions.
2022-07-03 02:08:28	MacGyver	They are wrong.
2022-07-03 02:08:32	pyrogon	lol
2022-07-03 02:08:38	MacGyver	pyrogon: You're not. Next question.
2022-07-03 02:08:46	pyrogon	uhhh
2022-07-03 02:08:50	pyrogon	hmmm
2022-07-03 02:09:07	tb0n3	well that was annoying to connect.
2022-07-03 02:09:15	pyrogon	how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?
2022-07-03 02:09:19	pyrogon	no just kidding
2022-07-03 02:10:18	tb0n3	I'm a long time user of arch and had just been kind of crusing along with my old nvidia card install with all the little things to make it work. I got a new card for my new computer and put a 5700xt in this one and now sddm/X11 won't launch and instead just segfault and core dumps
2022-07-03 02:10:39	Thaodan	LVM -> LVM-Cache -> BTRFS fine or is that just akward?
2022-07-03 02:11:05	tb0n3	got rid of the nomodeset stuff and redid the initramfs/mkinitcpio with amdgpu
2022-07-03 02:11:08	MacGyver	tb0n3: Start by removing (backing up) any and all Xorg configuration you have and see whether it succeeds when autoconfigured.
2022-07-03 02:11:11	tb0n3	any ideas what might be screwing up
2022-07-03 02:11:20	Namarrgon	tb0n3: make sure you don't have any references to the nvidia driver in any x11 configs
2022-07-03 02:11:21	tb0n3	I did a X -configure and tried that
2022-07-03 02:11:30	Namarrgon	yeah, don't do that
2022-07-03 02:11:40	tb0n3	and had already commented out the old nvidia devices
2022-07-03 02:11:47	Namarrgon	commented out of what?
2022-07-03 02:12:11	Namarrgon	you should probably not have any configs for that gpu unless you're setting up displays
2022-07-03 02:12:20	tb0n3	there were sections specific to both monitors I don't have anymore as well as nvidia stuff. I commented them out and also have a 20-amdgpu.conf in xorg.conf.d/
2022-07-03 02:12:21	MacGyver	Like I said, start by removing (backing up) any and all Xorg configuration you have and see whether it succeeds when autoconfigured. If it turns out it doesn't, we can look elsewhere. If it does, you know the issue is in config.
2022-07-03 02:12:38	Namarrgon	tb0n3: remove them and worry about the displays after you got X working
2022-07-03 02:12:41	tb0n3	ah. So it can just work without an xorg.conf?
2022-07-03 02:12:50	Thaodan	yes
2022-07-03 02:12:58	tb0n3	alrighty. I'll check that out real quick
2022-07-03 02:13:00	Namarrgon	yes, in the worst case you want to use snippets, not the xorg.conf
2022-07-03 02:13:02	MacGyver	Yes, for quite a few years now X has been very good at autoconfiguring itself.
2022-07-03 02:15:06	zulc22	I presume it's not advisable to do so, but is SATA hotswap something I can get to work, like running a command to reinitialize the SATA controller?
2022-07-03 02:15:43	Foxboron	zulc22: I think this largely depends on the sata controller?
2022-07-03 02:16:43	tb0n3	well, strangely enough with no xorg.conf it launches into a black screen on tty1
2022-07-03 02:17:04	Namarrgon	what did you expect to see instead?
2022-07-03 02:17:08	Foxboron	tb0n3: did you install the drivers?
2022-07-03 02:17:12	demonicmaniac1	the main issue is that the connector isn't actually designed for hotswap for "normal" sata, esata sorta is as is sas
2022-07-03 02:17:28	demonicmaniac1	it still depends on the controller but also be wary of causing hell
2022-07-03 02:18:01	tb0n3	hto
2022-07-03 02:18:03	tb0n3	htop
2022-07-03 02:19:28	tb0n3	okay, well I moved the xorg.conf.d/ folder with the AMD device definition and it worked
2022-07-03 02:19:31	tb0n3	wtf
2022-07-03 02:19:39	tb0n3	also can't access the ttls so I had to quit out
2022-07-03 02:19:42	tb0n3	tty
2022-07-03 02:20:16	MacGyver	You're aware you can switch tty using ctrl+alt+F2 and F3 and so on, right?
2022-07-03 02:20:17	tb0n3	Does that seem strange to you that defining a device in xorg.conf makes it not work when it's in the wiki to do that?
2022-07-03 02:20:20	tb0n3	yes
2022-07-03 02:20:22	tb0n3	that's what I tried
2022-07-03 02:20:42	MacGyver	And that didn't work, but quitting Xorg did?
2022-07-03 02:21:16	zulc22	ahhh!! did anyone respond 
2022-07-03 02:21:31	zulc22	sorry my IRC client stopped working
2022-07-03 02:21:42	tb0n3	I'm not sure what you're refering to. When I launched sddm successfully after deleting all xorg configs I couldn't change ttys with ctrl+alt+F#
2022-07-03 02:21:45	zulc22	maybe I shouldn't try to ask these questions on LTE
2022-07-03 02:22:15	MacGyver	tb0n3: Yes, and that didn't work, but you *could* still *quit* Xorg?
2022-07-03 02:22:28	MacGyver	tb0n3: So the system didn't hang, for example.
2022-07-03 02:24:19	tb0n3	quit it with ctrl+alt+backspace? sddm completely took over and I couldn't access the ttys, so if it hanged I probably would have had to reboot or acccess via ssh
2022-07-03 02:25:03	tb0n3	just thought it was odd was all. My other system works and has worked fine for a year with the 20-amdgpu.conf in the xorg.conf.d directory, while this one wasn't having it.
2022-07-03 02:25:15	tb0n3	Just strange behavior that I feel like was due to switching from nvidia to amd
2022-07-03 02:27:00	zulc22	I'll just wait
2022-07-03 02:27:54	tb0n3	zulc22: Is it possible your question was lost? I certainly hadn't seen it
2022-07-03 02:30:44	tb0n3	well, I'll reboot just to be sure it stuck.
2022-07-03 02:38:06	tb0n3	well. Thanks for the easy and simple fix. I was going at it for an hour trying random stuff. I never would have guessed it was the existance of a configuration
2022-07-03 04:20:30	zulc22	hey, can i skip a systemd timeout?
2022-07-03 04:20:57	zulc22	like when you see 'waiting for [x thing]... (1m 30s)' can i skip to it failing
2022-07-03 04:21:23	zulc22	im having some fstab issues and having to restart the entire computer and wait another 1m30s is annoying
2022-07-03 04:26:17	zulc22_	also how can I replace like /dev/sdxx with a UUID in fstab so it works by something other than physical drive order
2022-07-03 04:27:45	zulc22_	nvm
2022-07-03 04:37:05	Core4968	can I force grub to allow me to select an entry when grub timeout is -1?
2022-07-03 04:37:13	Core4968	wait wrong nick
2022-07-03 04:37:26	zulc22_	sorry I'm logged in on both desktop and mobile
2022-07-03 04:39:54	zulc22_	basically I have grub_timeout set to -1 and I can't edit the entry because I don't get to the selection menu
2022-07-03 04:40:10	zulc22_	I tried holding arrow keys and e during bootup
2022-07-03 04:47:21	raym	I'm getting "/usr/bin/dkms: line 1033: sha512: command not found" during upgrade, is this a dkms bug? Was it supposed to use `sha512sum` which is a part of GNU coreutils instead of just `sha512`?
2022-07-03 04:48:49	Scimmia	raym: no. See https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/75212
2022-07-03 04:48:50	phrik	Title: FS#75212 : [dkms] line 1033: sha512: command not found (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-07-03 04:50:18	raym	I'm very reluctant about accepting something like "ln -s /usr/bin/sha512sum /usr/bin/sha512" as a fix
2022-07-03 04:50:45	Scimmia	it's not a fix in any way, as the last comment says
2022-07-03 04:51:16	Scimmia	but really, unless you're signing modules, it's harmess
2022-07-03 04:51:19	Scimmia	harmless
2022-07-03 04:54:08	raym	Yes I do have a script to sign modules automatically. It runs as a post install script for dkms.
2022-07-03 05:11:22	Hello71	huh, TIL dkms is from dell
2022-07-03 05:15:23	llua	indeed
2022-07-03 05:16:12	Dan39	interesting
2022-07-03 05:16:24	Dan39	does the d stand for dell? lol
2022-07-03 05:18:39	sheep	d is dynamic
2022-07-03 06:00:26	Dan39	yea, suRE. they made it dyanmic after releasing it public i bet :P
2022-07-03 06:04:48	nijj	Where's the config file for xdg-open?
2022-07-03 06:05:09	nijj	It's not ~/.config/mimeapps.list on my machine
2022-07-03 06:05:31	Hello72	everywhere and nowhere
2022-07-03 06:06:29	nijj	Hello72: plz xD
2022-07-03 06:07:41	Hello72	that's basically the best short answer possible
2022-07-03 06:07:48	Hello72	the long answer is read the script
2022-07-03 06:09:03	nijj	Where can I read the script?
2022-07-03 06:11:21	TestingPlant	nijj: xdg-open is the script
2022-07-03 06:11:27	TestingPlant	open /usr/bin/xdg-open
2022-07-03 06:11:56	nijj	It's also not in /home/jin/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list ..
2022-07-03 06:11:59	nijj	Oh yeah! Lemme see
2022-07-03 06:14:58	nijj	Fantastic. I see. Sometimes it uses env variable. That's why I have no mimeapps.list but xdg-* still knows. Thank you :)
2022-07-03 08:06:01	__builtin	hey, I'm getting a weird problem: my laptop's CPU seems to scale _down_ its frequency when under heavy load
2022-07-03 08:06:12	__builtin	thermal issue maybe?
2022-07-03 08:07:20	__builtin	this is quite annoying - it's a very nice thinkpad, but it slows to a crawl anytime I compile something
2022-07-03 08:18:04	rahl	Testing an update to an AUR PKGBUILD. Including a .sig file. My system already has and trusts the key (imported a .asc as the key was not available via public keyserver). The key is now available publicly. Is there a way to test all functions correctly without revoking my local trust?
2022-07-03 08:18:14	rahl	Am using `makechrootpkg`
2022-07-03 08:21:53	BrainDamage	run it as sep user, or in a sep chroot container
2022-07-03 08:37:56	rahl	BrainDamage: ack thanks
2022-07-03 08:38:35	BrainDamage	or even move your gnupg out of the way temporarily, you might need to restart the gpg-agent daemon too in the case it caches it
2022-07-03 08:41:21	rahl	cheers
2022-07-03 08:42:19	rahl	So when using the chroot, gpg is still making use of my local keystore, or must I have run something previously that has also updated a keystore in the chroot as well?
2022-07-03 08:43:47	brainwave	Need some help powering off Nvme disk 2 when not in use. Idea is to extend my battery life.
2022-07-03 08:44:32	brainwave	80Wh battery giving around 4-6 hours on 11th gen chip (used envycontrol for going to integrated only graphics, configured tlp - power consumption typically ranges between 8-16 watts depending upon use of browser + google meet, etc.)
2022-07-03 08:44:41	nl6720	yank it out? :P
2022-07-03 08:44:46	BrainDamage	the local gnupg dir may be bind-mounted or the gpg socket forwarded
2022-07-03 08:45:34	brainwave	Haha nl6720 good idea but unfortunately I still need the windows on it time to time.
2022-07-03 08:46:12	rahl	BrainDamage: I see. Thanks again. Will see what I can figure out
2022-07-03 08:46:39	brainwave	I am confused about thermald and its role now as well. Same confusion for pcie_aspm = force parameter. Are these required / necessary for power savings on linux?
2022-07-03 08:49:49	nl6720	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Solid_state_drive/NVMe#Power_Saving_(APST) appears to be the only thing in the wiki concerning nvme power
2022-07-03 08:49:50	phrik	Title: Solid state drive/NVMe - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-03 08:50:08	BrainDamage	rahl: I gave it a quick peek, it forwards the gnupg socket path from the environment
2022-07-03 08:52:46	brainwave	Nice. Thanks nl6720. While I have nvme power saving enabled - the entries in table below are zeros. I got to figure out what to do to make them populate (also wiki has some tips here)
2022-07-03 08:54:43	rahl	BrainDamage: cool. much obliged :)
2022-07-03 08:55:06	brainwave	Solved. Thanks nl6720 -> my nvme has power saving now. The idle times were incorrect from my end. However, power consumption has not dropped (at least significantly).
2022-07-03 08:56:35	brainwave	:)  4W idle with 6-7W max power consumption on linux seems like an unachievable dream:p
2022-07-03 10:15:29	rahl	Including validpgpkeys in my PKGBUILD seems to have no descernible affect. Having trouble finding reading material (the wiki is a little sparse on the topic)
2022-07-03 10:15:44	rahl	If anyone can just point me in the right direction I'm happy to read up
2022-07-03 10:17:53	rahl	Or is validpgpkeys like a double-check? i.e. You still have to have imported the key, but it's an extra confirmation that only certain key(s) should be accepted for the given package?
2022-07-03 10:22:06	rahl	Also, am I right in saying that adding a .sig to an aur package is going to force all users to manually import the relevant key? Is this accepted as a correct approach?
2022-07-03 10:38:26	Strykar	brainwave: 8 W max is defo doable with some ARM SoCs, at the cost of performance
2022-07-03 10:38:45	brainwave	Yeah, have an intel 11th gen machine though
2022-07-03 10:38:49	MrElendig	lots of intel chips can run at <8w too
2022-07-03 10:39:19	MrElendig	amd, not so much
2022-07-03 10:40:28	Strykar	Some AMD SoCs can go as low as 12 W max - https://openwrt.org/toh/pcengines/apu2
2022-07-03 10:40:31	phrik	Title: [OpenWrt Wiki] PC Engines APU2 (at openwrt.org)
2022-07-03 10:40:50	brainwave	Like I just need average power consumption to be low right
2022-07-03 10:41:12	brainwave	So I think processor power - while relevant - have more gains to be achieved by better power management configuration on my linux
2022-07-03 10:41:49	MrElendig	Strykar: but those are almost unobtanium
2022-07-03 10:41:56	Ingar	go ARM
2022-07-03 10:43:25	Strykar	MrElendig: component shortages have affected supply, but you can buy them - https://corpshadow.biz/pcengines
2022-07-03 10:43:54	Strykar	Not that I would recommend a Jaguar SoC in 2022
2022-07-03 10:48:04	MrElendig	some of the "modern" v and r's are <=12W tdp
2022-07-03 10:48:14	MrElendig	"modern" since they just got updated to zen+ :p
2022-07-03 10:48:32	MrElendig	jagura is just useless
2022-07-03 10:49:33	Strykar	works fine in a router with 1 gigabit uplink, but shows it age'
2022-07-03 10:59:57	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-03 12:19:08	rahl	MrElendig: Cheers. Just checking as I got the same warning I tend to get: "remote: warning: .SRCINFO unchanged. The package database will not be updated!
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2022-07-03 13:06:24	alloy	Hey Arch :) Couple of questions, 1. How to always boot to cli console in arch?  2. How to set up suspend on a laptop, once booted into "mode 3".  Thanks!
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2022-07-03 13:07:17	Namarrgon	set the default systemd target to multi-user.target
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2022-07-03 13:07:52	Namarrgon	assuming that most graphical DMs will only be pulled in by the graphical.target
2022-07-03 13:08:20	alloy	ah thanks, systemd befuddles me again :)
2022-07-03 13:08:33	Namarrgon	are you using a DM?
2022-07-03 13:08:35	davve	i thought booting to cli was the default
2022-07-03 13:08:41	davve	do you have any login managers installed?
2022-07-03 13:09:03	davve	i think uninstalling/disabling them should get to you to tty
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2022-07-03 13:09:13	alloy	# systemctl enable multi-user.target 
2022-07-03 13:09:13	alloy	# systemctl set-default multi-user.target
2022-07-03 13:09:16	alloy	nice
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2022-07-03 13:10:04	alloy	learning init has just proven to me that there's no point ever learning anything ;)
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2022-07-03 13:11:52	iticus	hello! anyone else having troubles with bluetooth headphones after the wireplumber switch from pipewire-media-session? in my case the change to HSP/HFP is made automatically even without a recording stream being present ...
2022-07-03 13:13:20	alloy	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Acpid seems to answer part 2.  Thanks Namarrgon!
2022-07-03 13:13:22	phrik	Title: acpid - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-03 13:13:57	iticus	for example playing a video on youtube switches to HFP; pausing the video will make the switch to a2dp after a few seconds but resuming it will change to back to HFP
2022-07-03 13:14:11	alloy	I could have fumbled around for hours before I realised it was in systemd now haha
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2022-07-03 13:14:40	alloy	iticus, the question is "does anyone have anything bluetooth that works 100%?" ;)
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2022-07-03 13:15:50	alloy	is there anyone on earth that's not been driven mad by bluetooth...
2022-07-03 13:16:03	alloy	(out of the set of people who've used it of course)
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2022-07-03 13:16:14	iticus	it was working OK with media-session (it would change to HFP only when the mic was needed - google meet, teams, slack) but otherwise A2DP was active ...
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2022-07-03 13:17:04	davve	i use bluetooth on all my devices except desktop
2022-07-03 13:17:29	davve	though some proprietary thing by logitech called bolt, which i suspect is bluetooth 
2022-07-03 13:18:09	alloy	I use usb dongles for headphones and mouse when I'm working, I can't be stuffing around with bluetooth hey
2022-07-03 13:18:45	alloy	both should work on bluetooth and usually do, but have recently decided not to.
2022-07-03 13:19:07	alloy	anyway, other than feeling your pain, I've got nothing :)
2022-07-03 13:19:17	⚡ 	alloy returns to acpid
2022-07-03 13:20:01	alloy	(oh logitech and jabra btw, things that should be at the top of the game lol)
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2022-07-03 13:22:19	iticus	manually setting A2DP in Sound settings convinced wireplumber not to blindly switch to H*P anymore
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2022-07-03 13:22:42	alloy	nice, sounds like best case fix to me.
2022-07-03 13:22:44	iticus	not sure if it will still work in apps requiring mic but it's progress I guess
2022-07-03 13:22:56	alloy	I'm hoping for the same low level for laptop lid stuff
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2022-07-03 13:24:10	alloy	did you write it to proc or something? how did you set it?
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2022-07-03 13:29:28	ℹ 	johnplos1 es conocido ahora como johnplosky
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2022-07-03 13:32:02	iticus	@alloy, you mean how did I change the A2DP / H*P bit?
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2022-07-03 13:33:36	omen	hmm, i just noticed that i have wayland installed and I don't even use wayland wm
2022-07-03 13:34:11	Namarrgon	pactree -r wayland
2022-07-03 13:34:26	omen	required by; gtk3, gtk4, libva, mesa, mpv, vulkan-radeon
2022-07-03 13:34:43	BrainDamage	wayland isn't a program, wayland is just a bunch of headers/libs for programs to link to
2022-07-03 13:34:58	omen	oh
2022-07-03 13:35:01	BrainDamage	unlike xorg, which is both
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2022-07-03 13:38:38	alloy	on interesting.  nice description of the difference, cheers :)
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2022-07-03 15:40:35	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-07-03 15:40:35	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1417 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1416 normals)
2022-07-03 15:31:00	lord4163	!paste
2022-07-03 15:31:00	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-07-03 15:33:05	lord4163	After upgrading my system, Xorg fails to start. Does anyone know how to fix this? Here is my Xorg log: http://ix.io/41w6
2022-07-03 15:35:34	pyrogon	I got a basic computing question I'm ashamed to ask but I don't know how to search it
2022-07-03 15:37:07	nijj	Is there any package in arch repo that computes the "distance" of two strings?
2022-07-03 15:38:02	nijj	`$ dist "I have a dog." "I have a dog."` => 0
2022-07-03 15:38:02	nijj	`$ dist "I have a dog." "I have a dog"` => 1
2022-07-03 15:38:02	nijj	`$ dist "I have a dog." "I have a dgo."` => 2
2022-07-03 15:38:02	nijj	`$ dist "I have a dog." "I have a cat."` => 5
2022-07-03 15:38:08	nijj	something like these
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2022-07-03 15:40:40	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-03 15:41:30	BrainDamage	levehstein distance?
2022-07-03 15:42:38	nijj	Sure, that could work too.
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2022-07-03 15:53:06	lord4163	Hm for some reason nouveau was blacklisted in /usr/lib/modprobe.d/
2022-07-03 15:53:26	jelle	lord4163: do you have the nvidia drivers installed
2022-07-03 15:53:28	alloy	huh so this laptop suspend thing is becoming more than I expected.  thanks for the suggestions.  i think it's the combination of bios/kernel and windowing level settings not lining up.
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2022-07-03 15:53:39	alloy	ie three levels
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2022-07-03 16:32:12	lord4163	jelle: I ran the proprietary drivers 2017-2019 according to the logs, and from 2019 I've run nouveau
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2022-07-03 16:35:41	Namarrgon	what is name of the config file?
2022-07-03 16:35:46	Namarrgon	the name*
2022-07-03 16:37:07	lord4163	Hm?
2022-07-03 16:37:15	Namarrgon	"Hm for some reason nouveau was blacklisted in /usr/lib/modprobe.d/"
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2022-07-03 16:55:55	lord4163	Namarrgon: Oh, it was /usr/lib/modprobe.d/nvidia-utils.conf
2022-07-03 16:56:18	Namarrgon	did you still have nvidia-utils installed?
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2022-07-03 17:36:32	rahl	Scimmia: ack, good point. I do still tend to read warnings as errors.
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2022-07-03 17:51:56	baltazar	hello! I'm trying to get hdmi audio output working with a philips tv, but so far all I managed to get out of it is some repeating noise
2022-07-03 17:52:11	MrElendig	sounds about right
2022-07-03 17:52:11	baltazar	(I'm using pipewire)
2022-07-03 17:52:22	MrElendig	what gfx card?
2022-07-03 17:52:33	MrElendig	also, you have to check what profile the tv supports
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2022-07-03 17:53:15	baltazar	not sure how I do that. I tried all profiles shown in pavucontrol (and the noise changed)
2022-07-03 17:54:17	kulak	What dependency am I missing on Arch if C++ code compilation gives an error:  'expected' has not been declared in 'std'?   using std::expected;
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2022-07-03 17:55:04	baltazar	MrElendig: you mean gpu? my laptop has intel HD Graphics 520
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2022-07-03 17:56:07	baltazar	kulak: isn't std::expected a c++23 thing? https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/header/expected
2022-07-03 17:56:09	phrik	Title: Standard library header <expected> - cppreference.com (at en.cppreference.com)
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2022-07-03 17:59:09	baltazar	MrElendig: this is what I see in pw-dump: http://ix.io/41wE ... where can I find out what the numbers in "profiles" mean?
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2022-07-03 17:59:58	Vorpal	wait, is std::expected basically some weird mix of Maybe and Either from Haskell?
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2022-07-03 18:00:07	MrElendig	pavucontrol -> configuration and then stereo vs 5.1 vs 7.1 vs whatever
2022-07-03 18:00:08	Vorpal	I have not been keeping up with C++, but interesting
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2022-07-03 18:01:02	kulak	Oh, well.  I tried to compile https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/torrenttools against current version of package and got over my head with C++ dependencies.  I will give up.
2022-07-03 18:01:04	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - torrenttools (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-03 18:03:01	baltazar	MrElendig: well, I tried all of those.
2022-07-03 18:03:59	baltazar	but it certainly supports some profile, since the set-top box can play audio just fine over the same cable
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2022-07-03 18:32:13	plitter	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-networkd#Bonding_a_wired_and_wireless_interface I'm trying to make this work on my pc so that I can connect and disconnect the dock without having to "reconnect" to the internet each time. But when I've set it up, reboot, I see that I get the ip, but I can't ping and I can't go online. 
2022-07-03 18:32:14	phrik	Title: systemd-networkd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-03 18:33:16	plitter	dhclient -r bond0; dhclient bond0 works, but this is the part I want to avoid.
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2022-07-03 18:37:52	MrElendig	check the routes
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2022-07-03 18:39:18	plitter	MrElendig: I can see that they are different, from when I have and don't have internet... but I was hoping this would be automatically handled?
2022-07-03 18:40:41	MrElendig	missing gateway route?
2022-07-03 18:41:27	plitter	you mean the 1st line that starts with default?
2022-07-03 18:41:53	MrElendig	may or may not be the first
2022-07-03 18:42:24	plitter	Both had default line when I did ip route show
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2022-07-03 18:42:48	MrElendig	to the same destination and over the same interface?
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2022-07-03 18:44:11	plitter	at least over the same device, not sure if the ip was the same.
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2022-07-04 18:30:56	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1414 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1413 normals)
2022-07-04 04:35:08	brocellous	I've just booted linux lts and it works here
2022-07-04 04:35:30	brocellous	I'm going to try reverting to linux 5.18.8
2022-07-04 04:43:35	brocellous	Doesn't work on 5.18.8, does work on 5.18.7
2022-07-04 04:45:39	SponiX	might check the changelog but regressions are normally not well documented LOL
2022-07-04 04:45:53	SponiX	they are "undocumented features" - not bugs :)
2022-07-04 04:46:17	brocellous	I just have, for upstream linux anyway assuming Arch hasn't patched this
2022-07-04 04:46:41	brocellous	There are 2 commits in fs/cifs between .7 and .8 they look like they might be relevant
2022-07-04 04:54:09	brocellous	Oh hm it's https://lore.kernel.org/linux-cifs/211885e7-1823-9118-836b-169c7163d7c2@gmail.com/
2022-07-04 04:54:09	phrik	Title: kernel-5.18.8 breaks cifs mounts - Julian Sikorski (at lore.kernel.org)
2022-07-04 04:54:55	brocellous	Sounds like I need to revert ca83f50b43a0
2022-07-04 04:58:02	SponiX	there is 5.18.9 now, I wonder if they already fixed it
2022-07-04 05:00:15	brocellous	I was on .9 when I noticed the issue. it's fortunate it happened between .7 and .8 b/c I don't have anything older in my package cache.
2022-07-04 05:01:14	sheep	I don't see anything in the 5.18.9 changelog about it
2022-07-04 05:40:47	jensln	if i did a humongous stupid and ran the driver installer script provided by nvidia's website and my entire filetree is basically ruined now... what do i do?
2022-07-04 05:41:41	SponiX	jensln: Arch already has packages for Nvidia. So yes, jacking with the stuff from the nvidia website will just make a mess
2022-07-04 05:42:01	jensln	SponiX: yes, i learned this the hard way
2022-07-04 05:42:22	mpan	jensln: describe the way it is ruined. It may be hard to help otherwise.
2022-07-04 05:45:00	jensln	mpan: well, i'm not sure just how much their script touched; it just errored on me in the end anyways, but by that time it  messed with some kernel modules (which is a topic i know practically nothing about), sprinkled different graphics libs all over the place and probably other stuff i have yet to discover
2022-07-04 05:46:53	jensln	i tried installing the packages i was supposed to install later, but now i have to --overwrite='*' all over the place; i naiively thought that would solve all my problems but nay, now stuff just keeps crashing on me and multiple programs have reported erroneous driver installation (without providing any more details)
2022-07-04 05:47:18	mpan	… at least hope it did not contain the infamous `rm -r "/$VARIBLAE/*"` line. ;)
2022-07-04 05:47:30	jensln	it was not quite that bad
2022-07-04 05:47:33	mpan	jensln: first, see the pacutils package and use pacreport <https://man.archlinux.org/man/pacreport.1> to detect unowned files.
2022-07-04 05:47:34	phrik	Title: pacreport(1) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2022-07-04 05:47:55	jensln	lovely, thanks i'll have a look
2022-07-04 05:48:07	mpan	It will take a while, considering that it will enumerate all the files and compare them to pacman database.
2022-07-04 05:49:51	mpan	Note that some files found may still be completely valid, as some software does generate their own files that are not owned by any package. So you will have to then go one-by-one and determine if that may be from nVidia’s script or something else.
2022-07-04 05:51:16	jensln	hmm, yes i can work with this; there seems to be less than i feared
2022-07-04 05:51:51	jensln	and some obvious stuff like "/usr/lib/modprobe.d/nvidia-installer-disable-nouveau.conf" haha
2022-07-04 05:54:47	mpan	Then run `pacman -Qkkq` to see if any files that are owned were not removed or modified. Again, will take a while. Will print nothing if everything is ok. May spew out some files that are modified for the same reason as stated above: some packages will do that.
2022-07-04 05:57:17	jensln	i'm not sure if i understand what -Qkkq does, it reports if files that are owned by packages are modified?
2022-07-04 05:57:59	mpan	-Qk finds missing files, -Qkk also checks file metadata. -Qkkq does -Qkk, but without printing noise
2022-07-04 05:58:14	mpan	(missing/modified compared to what is described by the packages)
2022-07-04 05:58:57	jensln	i see, very useful, thank you
2022-07-04 06:00:21	jensln	but why is the metadata important if the files are otherwise unmodified?
2022-07-04 06:00:56	mpan	Because that is the only way to tell if they are modified (for pacman). Their modification time will be later than in the package.
2022-07-04 06:01:14	mpan	Though permissions also matter and the installer could also change that.
2022-07-04 06:02:25	mpan	Some tools can do weird things. Like at some poing `npm --help` was changing permissions of all directories in “/”. Don’t ask, that’s one of those things that make everyone scratch their head. :P
2022-07-04 06:02:32	mpan	*at some point
2022-07-04 06:02:41	mpan	An installer changing permissions would not be unheard of.
2022-07-04 06:03:34	jensln	i see i see, i guess keeping a hash of each individual file's content would be quite unelegant indeed. and damn, yet another reason to stay far away from npm
2022-07-04 06:05:48	mpan	Well, there is `paccheck` <https://man.archlinux.org/man/paccheck.1>, but hashing everything would take even more time and is hardly needed in this case.
2022-07-04 06:05:49	phrik	Title: paccheck(1) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2022-07-04 06:06:57	jensln	haha yes alright, i shan't underestimate anything around pacman's abilities again
2022-07-04 06:07:32	mpan	pacutils and pacman-contrib, basically. :)
2022-07-04 06:16:26	jensln	i get these weird errors during dkms' post-transaction hooks when updating linux-headers: /sbin/dkms: line 1033: sha512: command not found
2022-07-04 06:16:45	mpan	Unrelated to nVidia.
2022-07-04 06:17:13	mpan	(not something I can help with, but I see that being reported often in the recent days)
2022-07-04 06:17:20	jensln	alright, thanks
2022-07-04 06:20:15	jensln	my my, this' very satisfying seing pacman being happy with my repairs
2022-07-04 06:22:44	mpan	\o/
2022-07-04 06:41:59	jensln	mpan: problem fixed! thanks again so much for the help
2022-07-04 07:15:44	AlexC	i do get this as well: /sbin/dkms: line 1033: sha512: command not found
2022-07-04 07:15:48	AlexC	but I just ignored..
2022-07-04 07:15:49	AlexC	:D
2022-07-04 07:17:21	jensln	seems everyone using dkms does
2022-07-04 07:33:46	hiya	after recent update, my touchpad's features aren't working fine
2022-07-04 07:33:53	hiya	like I cannot select to drag
2022-07-04 07:34:41	hiya	how to reset touchpad? I tried reboot but it did not help
2022-07-04 07:35:38	hiya	I cannot do stuff like move around a window or changing its size etc
2022-07-04 07:50:34	cyphertite	hiya:  maybe you'll find something useful here:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Libinput
2022-07-04 07:50:35	phrik	Title: libinput - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-04 07:51:23	hiya	cyphertite: so I hit the touchpad hard with fingers and now it seem to work 80% of the time lol
2022-07-04 07:52:08	hiya	now 90%
2022-07-04 11:19:10	ugubok	WOW. switched to pipewire and noticed that there is a working feature to automatically switch bluetooth headset to HFP mode to enable microphone, when calls are made. How is that working?
2022-07-04 11:22:13	achilleas	!magic
2022-07-04 11:22:13	⚡ 	phrik pulls a rabbit out of Nex8192's hat
2022-07-04 11:23:04	achilleas	ugubok: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#Automatic_profile_selection
2022-07-04 11:23:05	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-04 11:24:40	ugubok	achilleas: Cool! Thanks
2022-07-04 11:25:05	ugubok	I was struggling without that feature on pulseaudio
2022-07-04 11:27:02	MrElendig	magnets
2022-07-04 12:08:53	CarloWood	Does anyone know how to type UTF8 characters? Ie, U+2E41 - I googled it and found to press Ctrl+Shift and then U and the hex value, but at least while in neovim that doesn't work.
2022-07-04 12:09:12	bparker	that depends on too many factors for someone to answer without more information
2022-07-04 12:10:34	nl6720	Ctrl+Shift+u is gtk thing AFAIK
2022-07-04 12:10:44	MrElendig	not just gtk
2022-07-04 12:11:05	CarloWood	It works in my browser...
2022-07-04 12:11:15	MrElendig	but your browser is not your TE
2022-07-04 12:11:18	CarloWood	
2022-07-04 12:11:19	MrElendig	which TE are you using?
2022-07-04 12:11:25	CarloWood	oops
2022-07-04 12:11:38	CarloWood	⹁ here too
2022-07-04 12:11:54	CarloWood	I suppose it's neovim that doesn't support it.
2022-07-04 12:12:02	CarloWood	Or konsole.
2022-07-04 12:12:11	MrElendig	and in nvim, you have to make sure that you haven't set up a keybinding in nvim itself that conflicts
2022-07-04 12:12:20	MrElendig	konsole is the problem there, it doesn't do unicode input
2022-07-04 12:12:26	MrElendig	(except trough ibus)
2022-07-04 12:13:13	CarloWood	Strange, why wouldn't they support unicode?
2022-07-04 12:13:58	MrElendig	#jsutkdethings
2022-07-04 12:14:06	MrElendig	they can't even get copy/paste right so...
2022-07-04 12:14:29	MrElendig	you can enter unicode directly in kde apps, but only if you use ibus
2022-07-04 12:15:03	MrElendig	ibus with m17n or similar input methode
2022-07-04 12:24:49	txtsd	How do I get npm to stop warning me about `tmp`? I don't have it set in my npmrc.
2022-07-04 12:25:20	jelle	what "warning"?
2022-07-04 12:29:46	txtsd	jelle: https://0x0.st/oQMc.txt
2022-07-04 12:33:21	marderbot	Hi! What's the way to do "per-user /tmp directories" in arch? I haven't found anything through google-fu but it seems that pam_namespaces.so could be used for that? any standard way to do it?
2022-07-04 12:49:24	dviant	hello, I'm having trouble with my ThinkPad X1 carbon mic with alsa. I can see that I can toggle it using `amixer set "Capture" toggle` 
2022-07-04 13:20:05	artefact	is there something like systemd-inhibit but for preventing execution of timer units?
2022-07-04 13:22:13	MrElendig	artefact: systemctl disable ...
2022-07-04 14:24:31	reaVer	hi, my bluetooth earbuds keep losing connection, I upgraded the bluetooth device on the PC and it's at armlength from the earbuds
2022-07-04 14:24:35	reaVer	anyone know what gives?
2022-07-04 14:32:46	Cork	reaVer: check dmesg and journalctl so the driver/hardware isn't crashing
2022-07-04 14:34:58	sunyibo	My system is in English. How can I launch gcompris in Portuguese?
2022-07-04 14:35:47	naoto	You can try overriding locale
2022-07-04 14:36:40	omen	locales are global and not for user, right?
2022-07-04 14:37:11	HuntsMan	sunyibo: LANG=PT_pt gcompris in a terminal, the locale's name is my guess
2022-07-04 14:38:56	artefact	i think you also need to enable it in /etc/locale.gen + locale-gen
2022-07-04 14:39:23	naoto	omen You can force app to use specific locale using env var
2022-07-04 14:44:10	tirnanog	HuntsMan: oddly, it's enough to induce gcompris into choosing portugese. still, best to pick an actually valid locale name like pt_PT.utf8, assuming it has been generated.
2022-07-04 14:45:28	naoto	tirnanog: It is 
2022-07-04 14:45:56	naoto	tirnanog: pt_PT.UTF-8, will pt_PT.utf8 work correctly?
2022-07-04 14:46:14	tirnanog	yeah. they mean the same thing.
2022-07-04 14:46:17	tirnanog	(to glibc)
2022-07-04 14:46:29	tirnanog	just be sure that it has been generated first, as artefact mentioned.
2022-07-04 14:46:41	naoto	Nice to know, thank you
2022-07-04 14:47:25	tirnanog	indeed, if you run locale -a, you'll note that it prefers the short-form character encoding suffix.
2022-07-04 14:52:44	naoto	So why there are two standards?
2022-07-04 14:52:56	tirnanog	good question. no idea.
2022-07-04 14:54:00	artefact	mine outputs both C.UTF-8 and en_GB.utf8
2022-07-04 14:54:31	naoto	mine also outputs C.UTF-8 along with my specific
2022-07-04 14:55:40	tirnanog	stranger still is that C.utf8 is not treated as a valid locale name, even though every other single possible locale works in both .utf8 and .UTF-8 forms.
2022-07-04 15:17:39	susi	any idea why my initramfs/cryptsetup often asks a password for "/dev/mmcblk0p4" recently, when it used to always ask password for "/dev/disk/by-uuid/..."
2022-07-04 15:18:27	susi	I use UUIDs everywhere
2022-07-04 15:18:49	jelle	susi: time to read mkinitcpio's code
2022-07-04 15:20:28	nl6720	unless they're using systemd based initramfs. then it's time to read systemd-cryptsetup code :D
2022-07-04 15:21:17	artefact	systemd-ask-password doesn't show a full path
2022-07-04 15:22:47	nl6720	it uses "Please enter passphrase for disk PARTLABEL (name)" for me
2022-07-04 15:24:17	susi	I'm not using systemd-based initramfs, and this thingie started happening only recently, and it was not after an upgrade or anything, it just started after a boot
2022-07-04 15:24:27	artefact	you've been evil maid'd
2022-07-04 15:24:40	susi	and it had always before asked a password for /dev/disk/by-uuid/..
2022-07-04 15:32:00	susi	artefact: dosen't show a full path, what do you mean? I don't have systemd-ask-password in initcpio, I guess it's cryptsetup asking for the password?
2022-07-04 15:32:20	jelle	susi: do you use the encrypt hook?
2022-07-04 15:32:27	susi	yes
2022-07-04 15:32:37	jelle	susi: then /usr/lib/initcpio/hooks/encrypt :)
2022-07-04 15:33:33	susi	yeps, it's just that I have not changed the file. I'm running -Qkk right now
2022-07-04 15:33:39	nl6720	unless it's unlocking stuff from /etc/crypttab instead, then systemd is involved
2022-07-04 15:34:22	susi	it's not using /etc/crypttab for me, but lsinitcpio shows there's no systemd-ask-password
2022-07-04 15:34:59	nl6720	I just wanted to make sure nothing was missed
2022-07-04 15:35:45	nl6720	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commits/packages/cryptsetup/trunk/hooks-encrypt last change was on 2021-09-20
2022-07-04 15:38:10	nl6720	susi: is this the text you see? https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/cryptsetup/trunk/hooks-encrypt#L95
2022-07-04 15:38:49	susi	yes
2022-07-04 15:39:07	susi	${cryptname} used to be /dev/disk/by-uuid/... always until recently when it suddenly changed to /dev/mmcblk0p4
2022-07-04 15:39:47	nl6720	it looks like it shouldn't be either
2022-07-04 15:39:57	susi	wait, I reboot and check the text
2022-07-04 15:40:11	nl6720	susi: look at cat /dev/vcs1
2022-07-04 15:40:16	nl6720	-cat
2022-07-04 15:42:08	susi	no, the $cryptname is v0 as it should, but thne it asks to enter passphrase for /dev/mmcblk0p3
2022-07-04 15:42:30	nl6720	could you post the full line?
2022-07-04 15:44:46	susi	https://i.imgur.com/xEwQdjX.jpg sorry for bad quality
2022-07-04 15:45:05	nl6720	could have just catted /dev/vcs1
2022-07-04 15:45:48	nl6720	I'm guessing it comes from https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/cryptsetup/trunk/hooks-encrypt#L98 
2022-07-04 15:46:05	nl6720	should be easy to test by unlocking some other volume manually
2022-07-04 15:46:46	susi	just weird it has changed from /dev/disk/by-uuid/ path to /dev/mmcblk0p4 very recently, and it wasn't after an upgrade 
2022-07-04 15:47:31	jelle	sounds like a nice timing issue :)
2022-07-04 15:47:34	susi	I mean, I did not upgrade anything before it started to happen
2022-07-04 15:47:36	nl6720	it would make more sense if it was after an update. maybe you just didn't notice
2022-07-04 15:47:45	susi	it was normal reboot and after that it has constantly been this way
2022-07-04 15:48:34	susi	it still sometimes asks for /dev/disk/by-uuid path, but quite rarely; some 'race condition' or somehing?
2022-07-04 15:50:16	susi	nl6720: no, I know for sure there was nothing upgraded when it begin to happen, I was building my own minimal initramfs then, and rebooted over 50 times during one day. this is why it's so curious
2022-07-04 15:50:51	nl6720	switch to a systemd based initramfs, like all the cool kids, then you won't have this issue
2022-07-04 15:51:10	susi	it's not really an issue, but when things change for no apparent reason it's always confusing
2022-07-04 15:51:42	susi	it still asks from time to time a passphrase with /dev/disk/by-uuid/ path, but most times for /dev/mmcblk0p4
2022-07-04 15:53:07	susi	>if resolved=$(resolve_device "${cryptdev}" ${rootdelay}); then
2022-07-04 15:53:11	jelle	that is the definition of a race condition ,m y friend
2022-07-04 15:53:23	susi	this is where the difference happens
2022-07-04 15:54:05	susi	yeah, but this race condition was introduced out of nothing, so it's scary :)
2022-07-04 15:55:27	susi	https://0x0.st/oQut.txt here's resolve_device() from init_functions, let's see..
2022-07-04 15:56:26	susi	"attempt to resolve devices immediatly. if this fails and udev is running, fall back on lazy resolution using /dev/disk/by-* symlinks" hmm..
2022-07-04 15:59:58	susi	running that `blkid -lt UUID=... -o device` now gives /dev/mapper/v0-root
2022-07-04 16:14:58	neko2	right, well after brief sasl misconfig adventures... so I spotted a warning when mkinitcpio was running ( https://paste.rs/saG - yes the omission of the default image is intentional here), and considering how important module depedencies can be I am mildly concerned the resulting image wouldn't boot. should I be concerned
2022-07-04 16:15:24	neko2	(I figured now would be a good time to go grab the latest archiso in any case...)
2022-07-04 16:30:09	spine-o-saurus	how come I created my service file and was able to run the systemd service but when I run systemctl list-units it never shows up?
2022-07-04 16:32:59	Scimmia	neko2: it shouldn't be a problem
2022-07-04 16:33:57	Scimmia	spine-o-saurus: user service?
2022-07-04 16:34:51	spine-o-saurus	its just a script
2022-07-04 16:35:48	neko2	Scimmia: well, one way to know for sure then I guess (I got my archiso ready anyway)
2022-07-04 16:36:10	Scimmia	spine-o-saurus: user service or system service
2022-07-04 16:36:59	spine-o-saurus	system service
2022-07-04 16:37:14	spine-o-saurus	it is for entire machine
2022-07-04 16:37:42	Scimmia	then if it's running, it should show up
2022-07-04 16:38:26	spine-o-saurus	ya it is up and running, but systemd isn't showing it in the available units, even after reloading daemon
2022-07-04 16:39:07	spine-o-saurus	when I run systemctl show myscript.service it shows all the settings though
2022-07-04 16:39:30	spine-o-saurus	but systemctl list-units doesnt show it anywhere
2022-07-04 16:39:48	Scimmia	what does the script do?
2022-07-04 16:39:58	spine-o-saurus	sets system wide settings
2022-07-04 16:40:23	Scimmia	that doesn't sound like something that would be running, it sounds like something that would do it's thing and exit
2022-07-04 16:40:50	Scimmia	from the man page: By default only units which are active, have pending jobs, or have failed are shown;
2022-07-04 16:41:01	spine-o-saurus	if it is running as service I should be able to reload or modify thru systemctl though
2022-07-04 16:41:24	Scimmia	running means it's actually executing
2022-07-04 16:41:44	spine-o-saurus	oh so i need to keep the script handle open
2022-07-04 16:42:10	Scimmia	but there's no reason to do that
2022-07-04 16:42:36	spine-o-saurus	why not
2022-07-04 16:42:57	Scimmia	because it doesn't do anything useful
2022-07-04 16:43:09	Scimmia	!give spine-o-saurus xyproblem
2022-07-04 16:43:09	phrik	spine-o-saurus: Tell us what you're REALLY trying to do. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
2022-07-04 16:44:34	spine-o-saurus	so if i was to change the desired state of machine, I'd have to run the script just outside of systemctl
2022-07-04 16:44:49	spine-o-saurus	dont even bother with systemd
2022-07-04 16:45:48	MacGyver	*sigh*
2022-07-04 16:45:50	MacGyver	spine-o-saurus: No.
2022-07-04 16:46:00	MacGyver	spine-o-saurus: What are you trying to use list-units for, specifically?
2022-07-04 16:46:27	MacGyver	spine-o-saurus: This isn't about running a script through systemd, that part is fine. Why do you want it to show up in list-units?
2022-07-04 16:46:50	river	https://bpa.st/ZLPQ pacman -Syu says sha512 not found in dkms
2022-07-04 16:46:50	phrik	Title: View paste ZLPQ (at bpa.st)
2022-07-04 16:47:21	Scimmia	river: ignore it
2022-07-04 16:47:48	Scimmia	unless you're trying to have dkms doing module signing
2022-07-04 16:48:03	spine-o-saurus	I run systemctl to show all services and I was trying to install mine to tell if it was enabled, running,exited etc.
2022-07-04 16:48:29	Scimmia	spine-o-saurus: systemctl status <unit>
2022-07-04 16:49:13	MacGyver	spine-o-saurus: Then why don't you simply pass `--all` to list-units?
2022-07-04 16:49:57	MacGyver	Aside from using systemctl status <unit> specifically, indeed.
2022-07-04 16:50:01	spine-o-saurus	oh now it shows, it was hidden by default then
2022-07-04 16:50:09	MacGyver	What you're seeing is well-documented default behaviour of list-units.
2022-07-04 16:50:23	MacGyver	We still don't understand what you're using list-units for specifically, but *shrug*.
2022-07-04 17:10:31	davve	!paste
2022-07-04 17:10:32	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-07-04 17:11:37	davve	hey... so im pretty confident i havent ran an update for a while but pacman still says everything is up to date and there is nothing to do. can anyone suggest how to debug? https://bpa.st/MQIA
2022-07-04 17:11:37	phrik	Title: View paste MQIA (at bpa.st)
2022-07-04 17:12:02	Scimmia	davve: what mirror is at the top of your mirrorlist?
2022-07-04 17:14:33	davve	heres the mirrorlist https://bpa.st/OE6A
2022-07-04 17:14:33	phrik	Title: View paste OE6A (at bpa.st)
2022-07-04 17:16:51	Scimmia	it's up to date. I wonder if you have bad timestamps on your dbs. Try -Syyu
2022-07-04 17:22:33	davve	Scimmia: did not make a difference, unfortunately
2022-07-04 17:23:03	davve	maybe its that I have ran it recently and forgot.. I'll try waiting some more and see what happens. thanks though
2022-07-04 17:23:16	Scimmia	how about pacman -Q linux?
2022-07-04 17:23:30	davve	linux 5.18.9.arch1-1
2022-07-04 17:23:59	davve	im using liquorix kernel via aur though (aur/yay seems to work in regards to upgrading)
2022-07-04 17:24:04	Scimmia	that version entered Core 20 hours ago
2022-07-04 17:24:11	davve	oh
2022-07-04 17:24:25	davve	mystery solved, thank you detective Scimmia 
2022-07-04 17:25:01	Scimmia	also see your pacman log to see just what you've done
2022-07-04 17:27:16	davve	ah. seems i ran a full system upgrade june 23
2022-07-04 17:35:44	Scimmia	you've updated since then. If it's not in the pacman log, that makes me wonder what you're running
2022-07-04 17:41:05	MacGyver	Scimmia: That kernel from the AUR might've already been at that version on June 23.
2022-07-04 17:42:23	MacGyver	Or rather, it's entirely possible no updates for their system are available since June 23 even though the pacman DB is clearly new.
2022-07-04 17:43:26	Scimmia	MacGyver: except they have the kernel installed from Core that was only built 2 days ago
2022-07-04 17:44:52	MacGyver	D'oh, missed the -Q.
2022-07-04 17:54:53	CalimeroTeknik	this is weird… pacman is redownloading every package though they are in the cache (if I set a custom XFerCommand), otherwise it still checks on them in the mirror
2022-07-04 17:55:20	CalimeroTeknik	can I avoid redownloading packages I have or even "pinging" them in the mirror?
2022-07-04 18:01:52	Scimmia	CalimeroTeknik: for pinging the mirror, are you sure it's not looking for a .sig file?
2022-07-04 18:08:42	CalimeroTeknik	it goes like, "linux-5.18.9.arch1-1-x86_64 is up to date"
2022-07-04 18:09:11	CalimeroTeknik	just after "Total Download Size:  0.00 MiB"
2022-07-04 18:09:21	CalimeroTeknik	I'm using pacman -Su --downloadonly
2022-07-04 18:09:41	CalimeroTeknik	in theory this should not even need an Internet connection at all
2022-07-04 18:11:24	Scimmia	...then why are you using --downloadonly?
2022-07-04 18:12:01	CalimeroTeknik	to make it download any packages it might not have fetched yet
2022-07-04 18:12:39	CalimeroTeknik	checking integrity… for short, check everything is ready for actually applying the update
2022-07-04 18:13:33	WhyNotHugo	Why do I get `binutil` listed twice when running: pacman -Sg base-devel | grep binutils
2022-07-04 18:14:36	sheep	what do you get from pacman -Sg base-devel?
2022-07-04 18:14:53	WhyNotHugo	sheep: The expected output -- but with binutils lsited twice.
2022-07-04 18:15:17	WhyNotHugo	https://paste.sr.ht/~whynothugo/03d01a96fe6ef27f5bfd0dc2fda180706ac443f8
2022-07-04 18:15:21	phrik	Title: pacman -Sg base-devel — paste.sr.ht (at paste.sr.ht)
2022-07-04 18:15:35	sheep	maybe you have multiple repos enabled that have binutils
2022-07-04 18:16:06	WhyNotHugo	Ah, right, there's another on in [testing].
2022-07-04 18:18:23	sheep	if you have expac, expac -S '%n %r' binutils
2022-07-04 18:18:32	sheep	the second field is the repo
2022-07-04 18:23:53	CalimeroTeknik	no wait Scimmia, even without --downloadonly, pacman redownloads everything if I do pacman -Su
2022-07-04 18:24:41	CalimeroTeknik	(sure, it does a "continue" download, but still tries to "finish" the download of every package despite them being all downloaded)
2022-07-04 18:27:47	Scimmia	CalimeroTeknik: do you have a bunch of .part files in your cache?
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2022-07-04 18:32:50	CalimeroTeknik	none
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2022-07-04 18:33:16	CalimeroTeknik	ls /var/cache/pacman/pkg/*.part → nothing
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2022-07-04 18:35:46	Scimmia	AFAIK, it shouldn't be trying to resume, then
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2022-07-04 18:38:36	Scimmia	the debug log may show more
2022-07-04 18:39:09	spine-o-saurus	hey if i want to stop a systemd unit from booting next cycle, append to kernel 'systemd. unit=rescue'
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2022-07-04 18:55:28	agumonkey	hi
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2022-07-04 19:04:15	Protocol1	hi
2022-07-04 19:04:35	omen	hi what's wrong?
2022-07-04 19:05:38	archdemon1	!hi
2022-07-04 19:05:39	phrik	HAI2U
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2022-07-04 19:13:14	narratosar	pacman is so fast that it almost worries me
2022-07-04 19:13:40	archdemon1	how so?
2022-07-04 19:14:46	narratosar	the server must be close, for example
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2022-07-04 19:23:08	mpan	narratosar: see `ParallelDownloads` for more horrors.
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2022-07-04 19:35:28	susi	> # this udev rule is specific for systemd and non-systemd systems
2022-07-04 19:35:34	susi	from /usr/lib/initcpio/install/lvm2
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2022-07-04 19:47:18	spine-o-saurus	I'm getting a strange issue when I run qemu from fluxbox menu, it starts the qemu but the VM never starts. but if i launch from shell prompt it is fine
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2022-07-04 19:48:01	spine-o-saurus	some kind of pathing issue?
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2022-07-04 19:52:52	spine-o-saurus	its not picking up alias from ~/.bashrc
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2022-07-04 19:52:59	MrElendig	spine-o-saurus: start it how exactly from the menu?
2022-07-04 19:53:14	sheep	fluxbox most likely isn't using bash to execute commands
2022-07-04 19:53:18	MrElendig	also your alias means nothing if you are not wrapping it in a shell, which you shouldn't
2022-07-04 19:53:25	MrElendig	also: use virt-manager
2022-07-04 19:53:34	sheep	you should put a shell script somewhere in $PATH instead of an alias
2022-07-04 19:53:55	spine-o-saurus	sheep, k i
2022-07-04 19:54:02	spine-o-saurus	i will try that
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2022-07-04 20:08:19	phonemic	Updated this morning and now get an error when mounting CIFS shares
2022-07-04 20:10:13	sheep	could it be the cifs problem reported in this thread? https://lore.kernel.org/linux-cifs/211885e7-1823-9118-836b-169c7163d7c2@gmail.com/
2022-07-04 20:10:13	phrik	Title: kernel-5.18.8 breaks cifs mounts - Julian Sikorski (at lore.kernel.org)
2022-07-04 20:11:09	phonemic	Interesting. I am on 5.18.9
2022-07-04 20:11:34	Scimmia	right, it hasn't been fixed yet
2022-07-04 20:12:36	sheep	you could try mounting with the option vers=3
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2022-07-04 20:13:46	phonemic	I'll wait it out if this is a known kernel issue. Making sure it's not me. Thank you.
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2022-07-04 20:33:48	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1419 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1418 normals)
2022-07-04 20:33:54	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-05 15:12:05	WhyNotHugo	I can't start docker because the disk is full, but all the data on it is docker-owned, and I can't use docker to delete disposable images/volumes. Ideas?
2022-07-05 15:16:32	chewing_bever	WhyNotHugo: You can manually delete volumes from /var/lib/docker/volumes
2022-07-05 15:17:13	chewing_bever	You will need root privileges of course (even to just look into the directories)
2022-07-05 15:38:55	WhyNotHugo	`du -sh /var/lib/docker/volumes/*` takes forever though (it's been like 20 minutes already).
2022-07-05 15:41:57	chewing_bever	then you have _a lot_ of files in volumes it seems
2022-07-05 15:45:53	jhjacobs81	what does "docker system prune -a" do?
2022-07-05 15:45:53	The_Loko	WhyNotHugo: You'd better use du -d1 -h /var/lib/docker/volumes, it will be way faster
2022-07-05 15:52:12	mizu-	how would i permanently change the dns server in /etc/resolv.conf to 1.1.1.1 or 8.8.8.8? i'm using network manager 
2022-07-05 15:52:14	brainwave	I have an external monitor of 1920x1080 res, and internal laptop screen at 2560x1600 res. Up until today, since the external display would show text / icons too large, I used xrandr --output HDMI-0-1 --auto --scale 1.45x1.45 --right-of eDP1 and it would work like a charm. For some reason, on reboot today, the scaling factor actually "enlarges" the
2022-07-05 15:52:14	brainwave	screen and throws i3 bottom bar off screen limits as well.
2022-07-05 15:52:17	chewing_bever	jhjacobs81: as long as you don't use the -f flag, it'll tell you when it asks for confirmation, but it basically removes everything (all images, containers, volumes & build cache), so gotta be sure when using that command
2022-07-05 15:52:49	jhjacobs81	yes, i know
2022-07-05 15:52:52	mefistofeles	mizu-: you should be able to do that directly from the network manager interface, you just change the DNS server IP there
2022-07-05 15:53:54	tirnanog	mizu-: see networkmanager.conf(5). in particular, the part about the "DNS processing mode" and the option to have NetworkManager not manage resolv.conf.
2022-07-05 15:53:55	brainwave	The last thing I did was install anbox-git for running some android apps apart from updating nvidia drivers. Not sure if it somehow messed my display. Because when I rebooted today, HDMI-0-1 was gone, I had HDMI-1-0 instead and the scaling factor now weirdly enlarges the screen instead of shrinking the UI on it.
2022-07-05 15:54:34	brainwave	On the bright side - even without force composition pipline enabled, the card works like butter for things like scrolling. Great update.
2022-07-05 15:57:12	mizu-	tirnanog, mefistofeles: thank you!
2022-07-05 16:08:46	grtcdr	Why is caps2esc only partially working on my external keyboard?
2022-07-05 16:08:53	grtcdr	It works fine on the builtin one (laptop)
2022-07-05 16:09:13	akiro	in my case, it works well with both
2022-07-05 16:09:44	grtcdr	Can I see your configuration?
2022-07-05 16:10:04	akiro	(i changed recently ^^)
2022-07-05 16:10:10	grtcdr	Mine is very barebones, and it doesn't selectively run the job based on the device.
2022-07-05 16:10:19	grtcdr	So I don't see why this is happening.
2022-07-05 16:19:41	Strykar	neither can anyone else until you post the config and logs
2022-07-05 16:20:07	grtcdr	Sure :)
2022-07-05 16:20:50	grtcdr	https://bpa.st/ZJEA
2022-07-05 16:20:51	phrik	Title: View paste ZJEA (at bpa.st)
2022-07-05 16:23:01	grtcdr	Let me find the logs, if any.
2022-07-05 16:25:19	grtcdr	I can't find anything interesting in the logs, there's only mentions of it launching, no errors.
2022-07-05 16:25:40	grtcdr	Not true!
2022-07-05 16:25:50	grtcdr	ignoring /etc/interception/udevmon.yaml, reason: bad file: /etc/interception/udevmon.yaml
2022-07-05 16:26:00	grtcdr	Hmm, perhaps I'm using tabs?
2022-07-05 16:26:13	grtcdr	Actually don't mind that, that's from a month ago.
2022-07-05 16:26:37	grtcdr	I have no recent bad file errors
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2022-07-05 17:44:42	chronos3	i am not getting any audio output and cant play videos on youtube
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2022-07-05 17:45:45	chronos3	!paste
2022-07-05 17:45:45	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-07-05 18:59:19	SpaghettiCat	Hello, is anyone aware of some helper application/script/system that can be used to manage what applications should play on what audio device when audio devices are plugged in and out? I'm constantly having to use pavucontrol to manually switch between 3.5mm headphones, bluetooth headphones, speakers and TV audio sources and it is a pain
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2022-07-05 19:04:38	teraflops	there's pulseaudio modules module-switch-on-connect and module-switch-on-port-available that enable automatic switching of an audio device on connection
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2022-07-05 19:05:09	ℹ 	cdown_ es conocido ahora como cdown
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2022-07-05 19:09:50	szt	hello is there a way to get the current data rate of an lvm volume group? Like the current read or write statistics 
2022-07-05 19:10:24	szt	I haven't found anything useful on google yet
2022-07-05 19:11:01	SpaghettiCat	teraflops:  I'm aware of those, but they don't seem to offer any configurability. They're just: if I plug in a new audio device, switch all audio streams to it. Very bruteforce approach. Then when you plug it out, it falls back and forgets whatever audio devices were configured for each application
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2022-07-05 19:15:20	Khorne	szt, atop
2022-07-05 19:16:18	szt	Khorne: awesome, that's exactly what I need. However I'd like to use that information inside of a script. I'll dig deeper into where it gets the information.
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2022-07-05 19:18:56	Khorne	szt, atop -P LVM
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2022-07-05 19:19:59	Khorne	If you add 1 1 it gives you one sample
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2022-07-05 19:21:39	szt	Khorne: awesome, I now I just have to parse that in order to do things depending on disk usage, thanks a lot 
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2022-07-05 19:25:22	GinjaNinja32	i'm sure i've seen this somewhere, but google isn't helping: at startup, systemd is printing that things are starting/started successfully; there's a message at the very top of the output that looks important, in a box of asterisks, but I can't read it because the text scrolls down too fast; can I turn off the success output somehow so I can read whatever that message says? Or is there somewhere
2022-07-05 19:25:28	GinjaNinja32	else I can see the text that was printed there in a way that lets me see that message?
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2022-07-05 19:30:28	lastmikoi	long time no see, catch up in pm ?
2022-07-05 19:30:31	Khorne	GinjaNinja32, journalctl
2022-07-05 19:30:35	chronos3	no audio output on my machine. Im using pipewire
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2022-07-05 19:33:46	powftw	I was looking for something like a hook/trigger in Linux to let us know some basic stuffs. Say my laptop has connected to a wifi network. Or a new user has joined the network. I could do it by looking into the output of `ip` command with a cron job after N minutes or sorta. Is it possible to add some kinda trigger/hook which will let us know when that event happens?
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2022-07-05 19:34:26	dav1d	powftw, network manager has a dbus interface if that's enough for you
2022-07-05 19:35:19	jelle	even better, networkmanager has hooks for this
2022-07-05 19:35:35	jelle	powftw: look at https://networkmanager.dev/docs/api/latest/NetworkManager-dispatcher.html
2022-07-05 19:35:36	phrik	Title: NetworkManager-dispatcher: NetworkManager Reference Manual (at networkmanager.dev)
2022-07-05 19:35:42	The_Loko	GinjaNinja32 if it's some warning or error it should be on journalctl -b
2022-07-05 19:35:47	GinjaNinja32	Khorne, I'm not seeing anything in `journalctl -n10000` (1832 lines since boot at 13 minutes ago) that has the asterisk box - not sure if that'd only get put on the console, but without that I don't know which message if any in the journalctl corresponds to that message
2022-07-05 19:36:27	GinjaNinja32	sorry, I missed a `-e` on there, `journalctl -n10000 -e`
2022-07-05 19:36:33	dav1d	jelle, ah right that's more convenient (nm-dispatcher is also gettings its events through dbus iirc)
2022-07-05 19:36:35	GinjaNinja32	`journalctl -b` seems to give the same logs
2022-07-05 19:36:45	jelle	dav1d: prolly :)
2022-07-05 19:36:48	powftw	dav1d: I new to this. Wdym by "dbus interface"?
2022-07-05 19:37:14	The_Loko	Those asterik boxes and green OK things are only shown at boot, journal shows the same information but without those boxes
2022-07-05 19:37:51	GinjaNinja32	I don't mean the [***] stuff, I mean like there's an ASCII-art box made of asterisks in the output
2022-07-05 19:38:00	powftw	jelle: okay! This is done with NetworkManager. Is it possible for me to know most events just like this in my system? Do all they have hooks for similar? Or can I do most the things with existing hooks in existing programs?
2022-07-05 19:38:02	dav1d	powftw, dbus is an ipc service (allows different processes to exchange and publish messages), so you can write a program which listens on dbus events to get a notification that something in the network happened. But you should check jelle's link it's a lot easier
2022-07-05 19:38:19	chronos3	my system is outputing no audio, im using pipewire. How do I fix this?
2022-07-05 19:38:48	teraflops	[OK]
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2022-07-05 19:39:20	powftw	dav1d: how can I make a program which listen for an event? That program should run indefinitely or with cron job? 
2022-07-05 19:39:27	powftw	What's prefferd? 
2022-07-05 19:39:36	teraflops	chronos3: it's happening all of a sudden or you just switched to pipewire and no audio since then?
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2022-07-05 19:40:02	dav1d	powftw, if you really want to go the dbus route, the program would run indefinitely and it would listen on dbus signals (basically it gets notified on a change)
2022-07-05 19:40:34	chronos3	teraflops: I was always using pipewire. After an update I logged out, logged back in and now theres no audio output 
2022-07-05 19:40:40	chronos3	plus youtube videos fail to load
2022-07-05 19:41:14	dav1d	powftw, I have started something like this once: https://github.com/Dav1dde/unmd (I wanted something like nm-dispatcher that would run as a --user systemd unit)
2022-07-05 19:41:20	powftw	dav1d: oh I see. What's easiest way to know that it has "changed" the content or whatever so it'll let us know 
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2022-07-05 19:41:27	teraflops	chronos3: are you using wireplumber or pipewire media session?
2022-07-05 19:41:34	jelle	powftw: you are not using networkmanager?
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2022-07-05 19:41:51	powftw	jelle: yes
2022-07-05 19:41:54	chronos3	teraflops: im using wireplumber
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2022-07-05 19:42:28	teraflops	the update included wireplumber?
2022-07-05 19:42:44	grtcdr	It seems that my user service is launching before my .zprofile is fully sourced, what kind of target can I use to avoid this?
2022-07-05 19:42:45	dav1d	powftw, not sure what you mean. If you're *not* using nm, this is obsolete anyways
2022-07-05 19:42:46	jelle	powftw: ah, what then, iwd?
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2022-07-05 19:43:25	GinjaNinja32	idk why I didn't try this before but I just captured a video of the boot process, including the box. it's a warning that "The root device is not configured to be mounted read-write! It may be fsck'd again later."; is this something I should care about, or just a normal message?
2022-07-05 19:43:46	chronos3	teraflops: I dont know. There was a whole lot, I dont even know if pipewire was included. I just happened after I relogged
2022-07-05 19:43:59	powftw	NetworkManager is obsolete? When
2022-07-05 19:44:18	grtcdr	maybe he means nm-cli
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2022-07-05 19:44:54	jelle	networkmanager is not obsolete :)
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2022-07-05 19:45:04	dav1d	powftw, it's not, but nm-dispatcher (or the dbus thing I was describing) only works with networkmanager
2022-07-05 19:45:31	teraflops	chronos3: there is https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#Troubleshooting
2022-07-05 19:45:32	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-05 19:45:35	grtcdr	dav1d: I was about to say, because the last commit to nmcli is 4 days ago.
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2022-07-05 19:45:59	dav1d	did I phrase it wrong?
2022-07-05 19:46:02	powftw	dav1d: you mean I could listen for dbus for knowing status of any program X? You have mentioned that I can "get notified on change". I'm asking how can I know the change 
2022-07-05 19:46:24	dav1d	powftw, if the service exposes a dbus interface, you can listen to any changes on that interface
2022-07-05 19:46:32	dav1d	if it does not, you're out of luck
2022-07-05 19:46:35	grtcdr	dav1d: Maybe, that's what I understood.
2022-07-05 19:46:42	CalimeroTeknik	Scimmia, I have investigated in debug mode and can make pacman download a package indefinitely with a custom XferCommand, with suspiciously "debug: found cached pkg: /var/cache/pacman/pkg/npm-8.12.1-1-any.pkg.tar.zst" and then it downloads it
2022-07-05 19:46:57	powftw	dav1d: do you have also docs/read about this dbus interface? 
2022-07-05 19:47:08	susi	grtcdr: is it a --user service?
2022-07-05 19:47:15	CalimeroTeknik	if I repeat pacman -Su --downloadonly 10 times, it redownloads it 10 times
2022-07-05 19:47:15	dav1d	powftw, which interface? The network manager interface?
2022-07-05 19:47:20	powftw	dav1d: not all softwares will reflect changes via dbus. But most will?
2022-07-05 19:47:30	dav1d	powftw, no, most programs wont
2022-07-05 19:47:45	teraflops	d-feet <3
2022-07-05 19:47:46	dav1d	networkmanager does
2022-07-05 19:48:01	powftw	dav1d: worst case. So how do we look into changes of such?
2022-07-05 19:48:03	grtcdr	susi: Yes :)
2022-07-05 19:48:23	susi	grtcdr: and WantedBy=default.target?
2022-07-05 19:48:24	powftw	dav1d: asking for docs/,read about getting started with dbus in general 
2022-07-05 19:48:31	susi	grtcdr: or is default.target (graphical.target) too late
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2022-07-05 19:48:58	grtcdr	susi: I don't mind it being too late, I just need the service to only start after my .zprofile is done sourcing. Would graphical.target work for my usecase?
2022-07-05 19:48:58	tirnanog	grtcdr: perchance, are you under the impression that there is an environment that exists in some sort of global scope? if so, there isn't. a user service or, indeed, any other process, is unconcerned with how or when you choose to run a terminal emulator that, in turn, runs an interactive shell that proceeds to modify its own operating environment.
2022-07-05 19:49:12	dav1d	powftw, qt5-tools contains a tool qdbusviewer which allows you to look through all the dbus interfaces in your system
2022-07-05 19:49:17	susi	grtcdr: I'd try WantedBy=default.target
2022-07-05 19:49:24	chronos3	teraflops: pipewire-pulse.conf doesnt exist for me
2022-07-05 19:49:38	chronos3	only pipewire-pulse.confd
2022-07-05 19:49:46	chronos3	how do I create ti
2022-07-05 19:49:55	grtcdr	tirnanog: My .zprofile runs after I login from the TTY, am I missing something, maybe I don't get your answer
2022-07-05 19:50:22	grtcdr	susi: Thanks I'll give that a try!
2022-07-05 19:50:34	teraflops	you just have to install piewire-pulse package
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2022-07-05 19:50:40	teraflops	pipewire-pulse
2022-07-05 19:51:04	grtcdr	susi: Seems like that's already specified in the service.
2022-07-05 19:51:04	tirnanog	grtcdr: yes. when you login to the tty, the login(1) program is charged with launching your chosen login shell (zsh, apparently). in turn, that decides to source .zprofile (because it's a login shell). any changes made to the environment don't magically spread out to all other processes on the system.
2022-07-05 19:51:25	dav1d	powftw, wikipedia has some external links to the specs, documentation and a tutorial if you're curious - it's pretty technical though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Bus#External_links
2022-07-05 19:51:25	phrik	Title: D-Bus - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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2022-07-05 19:51:45	grtcdr	I get that, but I was thinking of delaying the starting of the service to a period after that. If that's not possible, then oh well.
2022-07-05 19:51:50	tirnanog	grtcdr: for a service, systemd is the one responsible for launching it and is initially charged with setting up its environment.
2022-07-05 19:52:09	tirnanog	grtcdr: what is from .zprofile that you need?
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2022-07-05 19:52:17	susi	grtcdr: could you elaborate on the issue, what's starting and depending on .zprofile being sourced? I assume zsh is your login shell?
2022-07-05 19:52:22	grtcdr	I'm exposing environment variables to the service.
2022-07-05 19:52:35	kavothe	Hey, the emoji fonts are not rendering correctly and are super huge, both on gtk and terminal.
2022-07-05 19:52:36	chronos3	teraflops: I already have it installed
2022-07-05 19:52:43	kavothe	Any idea how to solve this?
2022-07-05 19:53:00	tirnanog	grtcdr: use Environment= and/or EnvironmentFile= in your unit definition then.
2022-07-05 19:53:11	grtcdr	emacs.service needs to know some environment variables, I'm passing them to the service using "--user import-environment"
2022-07-05 19:53:52	susi	kavothe: there could be an issue with your /etc/fonts/local.conf or user-specific version of that file, seen that before
2022-07-05 19:53:58	grtcdr	I don't think that's a good idea, that means I'll have two different places I'll need to maintain the environment variables in.
2022-07-05 19:54:26	grtcdr	I'm overriding some applications default configuration file locations, so doing it all entirely in .zprofile is my best bet at that.
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2022-07-05 19:54:57	grtcdr	namely PASSWORD_STORE_DIR and GNUPGHOME
2022-07-05 19:55:05	kavothe	susi, Any idea on how to go about solving it?
2022-07-05 19:55:14	teraflops	chronos3: no package provides /etc/pipewire-pulse.conf
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2022-07-05 19:55:54	chronos3	teraflops: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#No_Sound_or_pactl_info_shows_Failure:_Connection_refused
2022-07-05 19:55:55	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-05 19:56:03	chronos3	this is what they said
2022-07-05 19:56:08	susi	kavothe: could you paste your /etc/fonts/local.conf
2022-07-05 19:56:21	tirnanog	grtcdr: do the values being assigned to those two variables depend upon any variable expansions and/or code or are they simple, static strings?
2022-07-05 19:57:09	powftw	dav1d: Thanks man.
2022-07-05 19:57:12	teraflops	chronos3: hmm https://paste.priet.us/pQK2.png
2022-07-05 19:57:12	grtcdr	Simple strings
2022-07-05 19:57:19	powftw	jelle: Thank you too
2022-07-05 19:57:34	dav1d	\o/
2022-07-05 19:57:46	◣	dems98 (~alessandr@user/dems98) ha salido (Quit: leaving)
2022-07-05 19:57:46	powftw	༼ つ ◕‿◕ ༽つ
2022-07-05 19:58:01	grtcdr	Do you suggest I use EnvironmentFile for systemctl, and for zsh, parse those variables from the same file, exporting them on each run?
2022-07-05 19:58:01	teraflops	oh lol
2022-07-05 19:58:04	tirnanog	grtcdr: a reasonable middle ground could be to put them in a separate file and both source from .zprofile and refer to with DefaultEnvironment,/EnvironmentFile/etc. using pam_env would be another way.
2022-07-05 19:58:26	grtcdr	tirnanog: Interesting take, I'll see if I can get that set up :)
2022-07-05 19:58:41	kavothe	susi, I only have a font.conf file and theres a 51-local.conf file under conf.d directory
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2022-07-05 19:59:13	susi	kavothe: do you have $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/fontconfig/fonts.conf file?
2022-07-05 19:59:48	chronos3	teraflops: shoudl I run that command or what
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2022-07-05 20:00:10	tirnanog	grtcdr: at least it would be reliable.
2022-07-05 20:00:27	agregory	CalimeroTeknik: let's see the debug output
2022-07-05 20:00:28	grtcdr	I fully agree
2022-07-05 20:00:44	grtcdr	Thanks for suggesting a reasonable solution!
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2022-07-05 20:01:21	teraflops	I was just showing you that no package owns that file in that path
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2022-07-05 20:01:42	teraflops	in fact there's no such file in that location in my computer either
2022-07-05 20:01:42	kavothe	susi, I don't think I have a font config directory
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2022-07-05 20:01:45	CalimeroTeknik	agregory, here it is (this is the 3rd run of 10 identical runs, do you want them all?) https://0x0.st/oQ9J.txt
2022-07-05 20:02:04	CalimeroTeknik	even weirder, if I run pacman without the custom XferCommand, the packages it checks on are not redownloaded the next time
2022-07-05 20:02:09	chronos3	teraflops: so the arch wiki is wrong?
2022-07-05 20:02:12	kavothe	susi,I do have a font.conf file in etc/fonts
2022-07-05 20:02:13	teraflops	idk
2022-07-05 20:02:24	susi	kavothe: paste fonts.conf then
2022-07-05 20:02:30	chronos3	so how do I fix this?
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2022-07-05 20:03:54	teraflops	there's /usr/share/pipewire/pipewire-pulse.conf tho 
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2022-07-05 20:04:29	susi	kavothe: check systemctl --user status pipewire-pulse (and systemctl --user status pipewire)
2022-07-05 20:04:36	susi	there could be something informative
2022-07-05 20:04:48	chronos3	teraflops: I have tht too
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2022-07-05 20:05:50	kavothe	susi,https://pastebin.com/qnmTDv9d
2022-07-05 20:05:51	@EMIYA_	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/obeL.xml
2022-07-05 20:05:51	phrik	Title: font.conf - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-07-05 20:05:57	agregory	lol
2022-07-05 20:06:09	agregory	CalimeroTeknik: please open a bug
2022-07-05 20:06:21	susi	kavothe: ok, it's default, then I don't know where's the problem
2022-07-05 20:06:29	susi	kavothe: is your DPI set correctly?
2022-07-05 20:06:45	agregory	there's no signature in the cache for npm so it adds the package to the download list
2022-07-05 20:06:51	kavothe	susi, yes, it set correctly
2022-07-05 20:07:04	susi	kavothe: xdpyinfo | grep dots reports it correctly?
2022-07-05 20:07:08	kavothe	everything is rendering correctly but emojis
2022-07-05 20:07:14	◣	kts (~kts@103.73.237.107) ha salido (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2022-07-05 20:07:17	agregory	the internal downloader sees that the package is up to date and moves on to the signature, but the xfercommand has no logic for that so it just downloads the package again
2022-07-05 20:08:15	teraflops	kavothe: are you using xorg or wayland?
2022-07-05 20:08:26	kavothe	susi,120X100 dots per inch
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2022-07-05 20:08:35	kavothe	teraflops,xorg
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2022-07-05 20:09:47	susi	kavothe: you sure that's what it should be? and not, say, 96?
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2022-07-05 20:12:14	teraflops	kavothe: when you say emoji you mean coloured emojis like 🤙 ?
2022-07-05 20:12:47	kavothe	teraflops,yeah colored emojis are too big
2022-07-05 20:12:50	teraflops	which font are you using to render them?
2022-07-05 20:12:57	kavothe	susi,https://ibb.co/02xtywR
2022-07-05 20:12:58	phrik	Title: 05-07-2022-23-40-47 — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2022-07-05 20:13:09	kavothe	susi, text is rendering alright
2022-07-05 20:13:38	kavothe	teraflops,I believe its google material fonts
2022-07-05 20:13:46	kavothe	or joypixels
2022-07-05 20:14:09	◣	mxz (~mxz@user/mxz) ha salido (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2022-07-05 20:16:18	teraflops	I think is the later, what if you force the font to render emojis with comething like this in your ~/.config/fontconfig/75-notocoloremoji.conf replacing noto color emoji with joypixels? https://paste.priet.us/uxd3/
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2022-07-05 20:20:31	kavothe	teraflops,didnt work
2022-07-05 20:20:40	teraflops	did you start a new terminal?
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2022-07-05 20:20:46	kavothe	i did
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2022-07-05 20:22:44	kavothe	teraflops,its messing up gtk apps aswell.
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2022-07-05 20:26:02	teraflops	kavothe: FC_DEBUG=4 pango-view --text="🕶 " --no-display |& grep family: | tail -1
2022-07-05 20:26:15	teraflops	to see which font is rendering emojis
2022-07-05 20:26:52	teraflops	pick an emoji and put it there or use that one
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2022-07-05 20:28:56	kavothe	teraflops,its "symbola"
2022-07-05 20:29:23	teraflops	that's not an _emoji_ font at least not a coloured one
2022-07-05 20:30:07	kavothe	teraflops,If I delete the fonts would this go away?
2022-07-05 20:31:47	teraflops	idk
2022-07-05 20:32:12	teraflops	try installing noto-fonts-emoji to see if that makes any difference
2022-07-05 20:33:10	teraflops	kavothe: btw, which terminal client are you using?
2022-07-05 20:33:24	kavothe	teraflops,termite
2022-07-05 20:33:29	teraflops	ouch
2022-07-05 20:33:30	CalimeroTeknik	agregory, it's worse than that: the internal downloader stores *state* somewhere. The other packages in this upgrade were downloaded by the internal downloader…
2022-07-05 20:33:51	teraflops	try with one that is not abandoned
2022-07-05 20:33:51	kavothe	teraflops,its an old laptop, cant run alacritty or kitty
2022-07-05 20:33:55	CalimeroTeknik	it only downloads one because I interrupted the operation and only one package was left
2022-07-05 20:34:16	CalimeroTeknik	my update has a dozen packages, but only one is re-downloaded
2022-07-05 20:34:29	kavothe	i did, same with terminator and xfce-terminal
2022-07-05 20:34:30	CalimeroTeknik	it's a wicked bug
2022-07-05 20:34:43	susi	I don't know how things get rendered per DPI, but iirc I noticed sometimes that incorrect DPI did not affect everything; so if nothing else helps, I'd try setting DPI to 96 if it affects this
2022-07-05 20:35:24	agregory	CalimeroTeknik: there's no state other than the cache itself
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2022-07-05 20:35:40	agregory	it just downloads npm because you don't have the signature for it in the cache like I said
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2022-07-05 20:36:12	UndeadLeech	kavothe: Just fyi, Alacritty master should work even on old laptops.
2022-07-05 20:36:15	◣	xcfa7b (~xcfa7b@user/xcfa7b) ha salido (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2022-07-05 20:36:21	UndeadLeech	Just in case you're in the experimenting mood.
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2022-07-05 20:36:33	teraflops	kavothe: are you using a custom DPI via xrandr or xorg?
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2022-07-05 20:38:19	kavothe	UndeadLeech, this is a laptop I bought back in 2009 ...
2022-07-05 20:38:36	◥	thingfish (~mark@user/thingfish) has joined #archlinux
2022-07-05 20:38:38	UndeadLeech	That should be more than recent enough.
2022-07-05 20:38:50	◣	noobaroo (~noobaroo@user/noobaroo) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-07-05 20:39:14	kavothe	teraflops, No, I am not using any custom DPI settings 
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2022-07-05 20:39:20	teraflops	odd
2022-07-05 20:39:39	CalimeroTeknik	agregory, if I remove my custom XferCommand, re-run the pacman -Su that keeps redownloading one package, then restore my custom XferCommand and re-run it I will get a different result (no redownload), meaning state was stored somewhere
2022-07-05 20:39:55	CalimeroTeknik	perhaps the mtime in the cache
2022-07-05 20:40:07	◣	tirnanog (~tirnanog@user/tirnanog) ha salido (Quit: = "")
2022-07-05 20:40:20	agregory	when you run it without the xfercommand the internal downloader downloads the signature
2022-07-05 20:40:38	agregory	when you run it again with the xfercommand it now sees both the package and signature, so it doesn't download anything
2022-07-05 20:40:50	CalimeroTeknik	ah, and the signature is not downloaded by the custom XferCommand?
2022-07-05 20:41:08	agregory	nope
2022-07-05 20:41:10	teraflops	kavothe: tried changing font size?
2022-07-05 20:41:24	CalimeroTeknik	so the bug is a redownload in case of missing *.sig then! I see!
2022-07-05 20:41:27	◣	grtcdr (~user@197.26.106.189) ha salido (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2022-07-05 20:41:40	teraflops	give it a try using different sizes to see how it goes
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2022-07-05 20:42:22	kavothe	teraflops, yes, did all those. Don't know whats fucked up and its grating my nerves
2022-07-05 20:42:51	teraflops	I'm out of ideas dude
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2022-07-05 20:45:17	kavothe	teraflops,| tail
2022-07-05 20:45:24	kavothe	oops
2022-07-05 20:45:28	teraflops	heh
2022-07-05 20:45:41	teraflops	tried starting the DE with a fresh user?
2022-07-05 20:46:02	teraflops	to avoid potential error in config files
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2022-07-05 20:47:10	kavothe	teraflops, https://imgur.com/v5PjCMJ
2022-07-05 20:47:11	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
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2022-07-05 20:47:40	kavothe	teraflops,everything works alright except emojis
2022-07-05 20:48:04	teraflops	I see that emoji is very tiny
2022-07-05 20:48:34	teraflops	tried with one that renders big? the command I posted above
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2022-07-05 20:49:56	kavothe	teraflops, https://imgur.com/EL28cwp
2022-07-05 20:49:57	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2022-07-05 20:50:07	kavothe	teraflops, the emojis are huge
2022-07-05 20:51:29	kavothe	teraflops,the tiny emojis are because urxvt and xterm doesn't render emojis and im using them to avoid emoji rendering
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2022-07-06 18:36:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-07-06 18:36:06	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1428 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1427 normals)
2022-07-06 11:02:07	tasankovasara	so maybe then justice shall be served
2022-07-06 11:05:41	endre	lol
2022-07-06 12:01:56	⚡ 	enyc meows
2022-07-06 12:02:38	enyc	OOi why is thunderbird 91.11.0-1 rather than 102 ?  I guess 102 wasn't meant for upgrade-installs but only new-installes?
2022-07-06 12:02:54	enyc	I also guess arch doesn't have a version bifurcation to handle that case
2022-07-06 12:03:24	jelle	yes and there is the AUR :)
2022-07-06 12:16:08	endre	interesting as firefox managed to bump to 102
2022-07-06 12:16:24	jelle	endre: that has an upgrade path
2022-07-06 12:16:31	endre	ok
2022-07-06 12:16:39	jelle	> Thunderbird version 102.0 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 91 or earlier
2022-07-06 12:18:40	enyc	jelle: sure, via thunderbirds' own distribution, but that doesn't mean those who do their own builds/distributions can't make their own choices there
2022-07-06 12:19:35	jelle	enyc: are you aware what the implications are?
2022-07-06 12:20:04	enyc	https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/thunderbird/  Flagged out-of-date on 2022-07-03
2022-07-06 12:20:09	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - thunderbird 91.11.0-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-07-06 12:20:11	enyc	hrrm so /extra/ is AUR ?
2022-07-06 12:20:34	jelle	enyc: no?
2022-07-06 12:21:03	enyc	jelle: indeed yes, I got the *impression* arch is the sort of distro to go to newer versions more readily than many distros  keeping ESR/LTS versions, backporting patches, etc.  instead.
2022-07-06 12:21:20	enyc	I suspect arch might go for 102.1 or something :O
2022-07-06 12:21:27	enyc	end of month...
2022-07-06 12:21:39	jelle	enyc: re-read https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/102.0/releasenotes/
2022-07-06 12:21:39	phrik	Title: Thunderbird — Release Notes (102.0) — Thunderbird (at www.thunderbird.net)
2022-07-06 12:22:55	enyc	jelle: lots of releases and changes... its not *via the thunderbird own distribution mechanism* offered as update for 91.x users
2022-07-06 12:23:20	enyc	jelle: they didn't say "this version doesn't work with profiles from 91.x if you update it manually yourself" however.
2022-07-06 12:23:32	enyc	jelle: in any case waiting for at least 102.1 would be prudent =)
2022-07-06 12:23:37	chewing_bever	enyc: It does though
2022-07-06 12:23:58	chewing_bever	They specifically say that a later update will provide updating from older releases
2022-07-06 12:24:13	enyc	chewing_bever: that is r.e. the thunderbird own update mechanism
2022-07-06 12:24:23	enyc	chewing_bever: which isn't used if you use a distro  package installer
2022-07-06 12:24:33	chewing_bever	Yes, meaning that installing 102 will brick your thunderbird
2022-07-06 12:24:41	enyc	I guess this wording is actually vague
2022-07-06 12:25:01	chewing_bever	They're not talking about updating the binary itself, but rather migrating the internal database n stuff used by thunderbird
2022-07-06 12:25:11	chewing_bever	It's the same as database migrations
2022-07-06 12:25:12	enyc	chewing_bever: odd, i've heard from those with exesting profiles trying out 102 without trouble
2022-07-06 12:25:27	jelle	https://www.reddit.com/r/Thunderbird/comments/vo71bj/updated_thunderbird_version_91100_to_version_1020/
2022-07-06 12:25:27	enyc	I think their wording should be better but anyhow...
2022-07-06 12:26:10	jelle	102 is basically alpha
2022-07-06 12:26:14	chewing_bever	enyc: It might work, but they're not giving any guarantees right now, and there have been crashes it seems
2022-07-06 12:26:15	enyc	jelle: makes sense =) works for some, not others, not suprising.
2022-07-06 12:26:20	enyc	chewing_bever: that makes sense too
2022-07-06 12:26:38	enyc	jelle: officially they had a beta ;o heh
2022-07-06 12:26:53	jelle	whatever
2022-07-06 12:26:55	chewing_bever	I'm guessing they didn't want to make the release even bigger
2022-07-06 12:27:35	enyc	chewing_bever: how do you mean?  take longer testing "bigger", or something else?
2022-07-06 12:28:28	chewing_bever	Well the changelog is already really long, so I wouldn't be surprised if they just didn't wanna wait even longer to release all the new goodies to the general public
2022-07-06 12:28:40	chewing_bever	You gotta release it at _some point_
2022-07-06 12:29:00	enyc	hrrm I see
2022-07-06 12:29:03	jonathon	>  installing 102 will brick your thunderbird
2022-07-06 12:29:06	jonathon	oh dear
2022-07-06 12:29:28	chewing_bever	jonathon: It might* lil correction there
2022-07-06 12:29:45	jonathon	it was more of an issue with the word "brick", given it's software
2022-07-06 12:30:03	jonathon	;)
2022-07-06 12:30:06	chewing_bever	Ah like that, well it does get the point across ;p
2022-07-06 13:19:01	charademon	Windows must
2022-07-06 13:19:37	Lola	I didn't update for a year :D
2022-07-06 13:31:09	Lola	1578 pakcages, so far everything is upgrading fine.
2022-07-06 13:31:34	chewing_bever	That's basically your entire system I'm guessing, damn
2022-07-06 13:35:05	Lola	luckily I don't have too much stuff installed
2022-07-06 13:54:00	Lola	ugh, perl
2022-07-06 14:12:36	shalokshalom	hi there :)
2022-07-06 14:12:45	shalokshalom	I installed graalvm from the AUR and pacman -Qi shows me it is installed
2022-07-06 14:13:16	shalokshalom	The system wont find any binary launcher and stuff like java --version shows nothing is available. 
2022-07-06 14:13:39	shalokshalom	https://ibb.co/DKvb2DZ
2022-07-06 14:13:40	phrik	Title: Screenshot-57 — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2022-07-06 14:16:47	shalokshalom	KFind wont find anything on my system with graal in it either. Does this mean, the AUR did fail to install the binary correct?
2022-07-06 14:17:32	artefact	maybe you need to select it with $(archlinux-java) ?
2022-07-06 14:18:15	thurstylark	shalokshalom: "the AUR" is just a place to put PKGBUILDs. What did you actually use to build and install the package?
2022-07-06 14:18:22	shalokshalom	aura
2022-07-06 14:19:22	thurstylark	build it with makepkg and see if that has better results
2022-07-06 14:19:32	shalokshalom	ok
2022-07-06 14:19:46	thurstylark	always the first step when troubleshooting something and an aur helper is involved
2022-07-06 14:19:52	shalokshalom	i see
2022-07-06 14:24:25	witcher	my dns resolution often takes multiple seconds for a request to a specific domain. how would i debug (or even just fix) this? using firefox
2022-07-06 14:28:19	artefact	what is your network.trr value?
2022-07-06 14:29:34	witcher	uh, which one?
2022-07-06 14:34:23	shalokshalom	i ended up using the chaotic repo from Garuda, that provdies a working version of graal
2022-07-06 14:34:25	shalokshalom	thanks a lot
2022-07-06 14:37:54	witcher	if that is what you mean, network.trr.mode is 0
2022-07-06 14:48:07	lowden	hey, i have i installed thunar with gvfs and thunar-volman and start thunar in daemon mode on startup and have auto mounting drives enabled in the volman settings but my windows drive doesn't automatically gets mounted 
2022-07-06 14:48:35	artefact	witcher: ok, so it is using your system resolver. are you using systemd-resolved? something else?
2022-07-06 14:52:10	Scimmia	lowden: your Windows drive is removable?
2022-07-06 14:53:16	lowden	Scimmia: removable ? its on my hard disk so i don't think its removable 
2022-07-06 14:53:19	witcher	artefact: i'm using systemd-resolved
2022-07-06 14:53:36	Scimmia	lowden: AFAIK, thunar-volman only deals with removable drives
2022-07-06 14:53:42	artefact	try $(resolvectl query foo.bar) on the problematic domain name, maybe
2022-07-06 14:54:27	lowden	Scimmia: oh okay, so what do i use for auto mounting file-system from my hardisk ?
2022-07-06 14:54:37	Scimmia	fstab
2022-07-06 14:55:06	lowden	can i create something in fstab which uses the same place thunar uses to mount ?
2022-07-06 14:56:49	jkc	If you're going to put it in fstab, give it a dedicated mount point.
2022-07-06 14:58:14	artefact	i know resolved does some caching, but afaik it can't be tweaked. which is a bit silly because on mine, it only caches 75 entries yet has over 2k cache misses
2022-07-06 15:04:38	witcher	artefact: https://paste.sr.ht/~witcher/9edc923cdafa6e1361c5727ac3f04b483be2499d
2022-07-06 15:04:40	phrik	Title: 9edc923 — paste.sr.ht (at paste.sr.ht)
2022-07-06 15:13:26	artefact	that is weird- try different dns servers?
2022-07-06 15:18:50	Lola	lowden: you might need to reboot
2022-07-06 15:19:26	Lola	If you installed the gvfs stuff and then didn't reboot afterwards
2022-07-06 15:23:35	lowden	Lola: i have rebooted twice
2022-07-06 15:26:36	witcher	artefact: tried quad9, no change. any recommendations?
2022-07-06 15:26:52	witcher	it is caching the requests, but when it isn't cached it's quite painful
2022-07-06 15:29:46	lowden	thanks for your help
2022-07-06 15:32:21	tsujp	!paste
2022-07-06 15:32:21	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-07-06 15:55:13	louson	Hello, I am thinking about suggesting an update of some package PKGBUILD. This package (calcurse) is in svntogit-community. How can we do that ?
2022-07-06 15:55:34	MrElendig	depends on what change you want to make
2022-07-06 16:11:42	louson	only add an 'install' line to install the config sample
2022-07-06 16:13:30	ponies	you can email the maintainer, he may even be here. but basically, you now have the pkgbuild, and can modify it how you wish
2022-07-06 16:14:12	Scimmia	That sounds like a feature request to me. Goes to the bug tracker
2022-07-06 16:16:40	louson	ok, there is no way to push a commit ?
2022-07-06 16:19:55	vitali64	louson: git add . && git commit [-s] -m "commit msg" && git push -u <remote> <branch>
2022-07-06 16:20:33	Edu4rdSHL	louson, to the repos no, you create a bug report.
2022-07-06 16:20:42	Edu4rdSHL	to the AL repos *
2022-07-06 16:21:01	louson	Edu4rdSHL: ok, let's read the bug report guideline
2022-07-06 16:21:02	louson	tx
2022-07-06 16:21:04	Edu4rdSHL	Unless you're an AL developer/TU ofc
2022-07-06 16:33:51	Lola	Everything updated and laptop rebooted with no issues after a whole year no updates. Good job arch devs :D
2022-07-06 16:34:10	MrElendig	!give Lola pacnew
2022-07-06 16:34:11	phrik	Lola: Take care of your .pacnew and .pacsave files! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Pacnew_and_Pacsave
2022-07-06 16:34:19	Lola	Oh right, thanks haha
2022-07-06 16:40:14	enyc	chewing_bever JerryXiao :   https://twitter.com/mozthunderbird/status/1544681509310943232?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet   =)
2022-07-06 16:40:23	susi	locate .pacnew | wc -l .. 11
2022-07-06 16:40:28	susi	some other day..
2022-07-06 16:40:32	enyc	I wonder if they might bring forward 102.1 therefore, no matter!
2022-07-06 16:43:53	ponies	not this again
2022-07-06 16:49:21	Edu4rdSHL	Why the slow locate when we have `pacdiff`
2022-07-06 16:49:37	artefact	witcher: i can reproduce it too https://paste.debian.net/plainh/a4662564
2022-07-06 16:49:43	MrElendig	locate is not slow though
2022-07-06 16:49:56	artefact	witcher: so there's probably nothing wrong with you. maybe a slow authorirative dns server on sourcehut?
2022-07-06 16:51:31	MrElendig	pacdiff: Executed in  208.16 millis
2022-07-06 16:51:40	MrElendig	locate: Executed in    5.01 millis
2022-07-06 16:52:40	Edu4rdSHL	Depends where are you running `locate` :p
2022-07-06 16:52:52	artefact	now do $(time updatedb) heh
2022-07-06 16:53:47	MrElendig	artefact: is on a systemd timer anyway
2022-07-06 16:54:00	artefact	i don't even have it installed
2022-07-06 16:54:10	Foxboron	Edu4rdSHL: locate isn't slow
2022-07-06 16:57:36	MrElendig	MrElendig │ Executed in    2.84 secs   MrElendig │ with about 50gb of on disk change since the last run, don't know how many files though   MrElendig │ (this is plocate)
2022-07-06 16:58:23	Foxboron	plocate<3
2022-07-06 16:58:27	Foxboron	should rm mlocate and replace it
2022-07-06 16:58:41	Edu4rdSHL	updatedb: real 0m10.021s in a RAID0 with ~7GB/s 
2022-07-06 16:58:44	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-07-06 16:58:58	Edu4rdSHL	7GB/s speeds *
2022-07-06 16:59:04	Foxboron	Edu4rdSHL: plocate?
2022-07-06 16:59:51	Edu4rdSHL	Ah well, that's good
2022-07-06 17:00:04	Edu4rdSHL	real 0m0.112s
2022-07-06 17:00:44	Edu4rdSHL	I remembered locate being slow but seems that plocate fixed that
2022-07-06 17:01:49	susi	Edu4rdSHL: locate .pacsave  0.00s user 0.00s system 82% cpu 0.006 total
2022-07-06 17:01:51	MrElendig	Edu4rdSHL: old locate/slocate were slow as all hell, mlocate helped quite a lot, and plocate is like a f1 car compared to the rest
2022-07-06 17:01:52	susi	fast enough
2022-07-06 17:02:39	MrElendig	"early" slocate was even slower than locate due to the added security checks
2022-07-06 17:02:48	MrElendig	which were done quite inefficient
2022-07-06 17:03:55	Edu4rdSHL	MrElendig, yeah, that's why I said that... I remembered locate being daamn slow, I haven't used it for years but it have changed a lot since then
2022-07-06 17:04:02	Edu4rdSHL	TIL about plocate
2022-07-06 17:04:10	susi	(I'm using plocate)
2022-07-06 17:04:22	susi	it's database is also significantly smaller than mlocate's was
2022-07-06 17:04:35	MrElendig	most fun about the original locate was that it didn't do permission checks, so it would list files you had no access to
2022-07-06 17:04:48	MrElendig	it was quite handy at school :p
2022-07-06 17:05:53	susi	locate is very handy, imo. you always `find' Edu4rdSHL, then?
2022-07-06 17:06:41	Edu4rdSHL	susi, yep, I'm used to `find ./ -iname ...`
2022-07-06 17:06:53	susi	heh, that's slow if anything..
2022-07-06 17:07:16	The-Compiler	I like https://github.com/sharkdp/fd :)
2022-07-06 17:07:19	Edu4rdSHL	But for the specific case of pacnew/pacsave I just used pacdiff
2022-07-06 17:07:29	Edu4rdSHL	(Which uses the pacman db)
2022-07-06 17:07:57	The-Compiler	but I like pretty much any colorful alternative shell command :D
2022-07-06 17:08:36	susi	Edu4rdSHL: plocate is strongly recommended for you too!
2022-07-06 17:09:32	ooonea_eth	Hi, does padding work in Alacritty? Whatever you set, everything stays the same.
2022-07-06 17:09:58	Edu4rdSHL	susi, eeh, looks like that plocate is not working very well here
2022-07-06 17:10:19	Edu4rdSHL	I mean, I have literally a .pgp file in the current dir and this didn't find it
2022-07-06 17:10:25	witcher	artefact: good to know this isn't just me. thanks, i'll ask around
2022-07-06 17:10:33	Edu4rdSHL	locate *.pgp
2022-07-06 17:10:35	susi	Edu4rdSHL: you need to update the db
2022-07-06 17:10:44	susi	it has a timer for updating it automatically, or you can updatedb manually
2022-07-06 17:10:48	Edu4rdSHL	susi, I already run `updatedb`
2022-07-06 17:11:07	susi	try locate .pgp
2022-07-06 17:11:27	susi	that * may get expande by your shell
2022-07-06 17:11:46	susi	also, locate \*.pgp
2022-07-06 17:12:07	Edu4rdSHL	https://paste.rs/ZIC
2022-07-06 17:12:24	susi	try locate .pgp
2022-07-06 17:12:27	Edu4rdSHL	Not sure if plocate is somehow affected by RAID setups or something like that
2022-07-06 17:12:28	susi	or locate \*.pgp
2022-07-06 17:12:41	Edu4rdSHL	Same empty output with both
2022-07-06 17:13:40	susi	/etc/updatedb.conf, also could be a perm issue, maybe
2022-07-06 17:14:10	Edu4rdSHL	/etc/updatedb.conf is the defualt one eeh
2022-07-06 17:14:25	susi	but it has lots of pruning by default
2022-07-06 17:14:58	Edu4rdSHL	Also `locate .conf` doesn't show anything, it should show the files in /etc at least
2022-07-06 17:15:05	Edu4rdSHL	I'm using BTRFS if that matters
2022-07-06 17:25:03	Lola	This is a bit funny, in makepgk.conf the old file has `curl -gqC` and new pacnew has `curl -qgC`
2022-07-06 17:25:32	Lola	There were only 10 pacnews I needed to merge heh
2022-07-06 17:26:35	susi	just do not merge them blindly
2022-07-06 17:31:44	Lola	susi: yeah, I use vimdiff
2022-07-06 17:36:29	susi	Edu4rdSHL: what perms your ~ has, and that file?
2022-07-06 17:37:15	Edu4rdSHL	susi, drwx--x--- 710, I'm using homed
2022-07-06 17:37:26	Edu4rdSHL	But that shouldn't affect /
2022-07-06 17:39:32	cedb	im having issues with sound after a -Syu && reboot, i3+pulsemixer, never had an issue like that
2022-07-06 17:39:37	cedb	not sure how to start debugging that
2022-07-06 17:40:38	susi	running systemctl (--user) status for related services is usually a good start
2022-07-06 17:41:03	lmat	How do I have some of my computers check other computers on my network for packages before attempting to download from the internet?
2022-07-06 17:41:10	susi	Edu4rdSHL: I don't use homed, but doesn't it user /mnt ?
2022-07-06 17:41:47	susi	lmat: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Custom_local_repository and #Network shared pacman cache
2022-07-06 17:41:49	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-06 17:42:14	MrElendig	susi: you could also simply share the cache over smb/nfs
2022-07-06 17:42:30	MrElendig	or https if you prefer
2022-07-06 17:44:50	susi	Edu4rdSHL: can you find any file under your home?
2022-07-06 17:45:28	Edu4rdSHL	Yes, ofc
2022-07-06 17:45:33	susi	I mean, with locate
2022-07-06 17:46:03	Edu4rdSHL	No
2022-07-06 17:46:13	lmat	susi: Hmm, so I could have a directory like `/mnt/cache-from-host1/` and repo-add it. If I'm out and about and I don't have that `cache-from-host1` mounted, it will be ignored...this is good.
2022-07-06 17:46:49	BrainDamage	you don't need to repo-add it
2022-07-06 17:46:51	lmat	oh wait... repo-add takes a file, not a cache directory...  reading.
2022-07-06 17:47:08	BrainDamage	you can just have it as a 2nd priority cache in pacman.cnf
2022-07-06 17:47:30	lmat	BrainDamage: Yeah, that! I'm not wanting to add a repo, I'm wanting to add a cache directory. Thank yo!
2022-07-06 17:47:59	susi	Edu4rdSHL: don't know how it should be configured for homed, but there certainly is a way
2022-07-06 17:48:11	BrainDamage	make sure it's not the first, or that it's mounted as read only at least, pacman uses the first writeable path as cache
2022-07-06 17:50:09	susi	Edu4rdSHL: >The other reason why a file isn’t shown, is typically permissions. Check if you can find the files as root (sudo plocate test); if you can, the problem is most likely that you don’t have access rights to the directory all the way down from the root. plocate should find anything that find / -name *test* does, but no more.
2022-07-06 17:50:17	susi	Edu4rdSHL: from author of plocate
2022-07-06 17:50:48	Edu4rdSHL	susi, as I said find works
2022-07-06 17:51:08	susi	try sudo plocate as suggested
2022-07-06 17:51:13	susi	and without *
2022-07-06 17:51:42	lmat	maybe https://github.com/eworm-de/pacredir is best because I have several archlinux machines on my LAN.
2022-07-06 17:53:17	Edu4rdSHL	susi, nope, doesn't work. I have a file called "linux-test" then I use `sudo plocate linux*` and nothing
2022-07-06 17:54:36	Edu4rdSHL	Also, updatedb is being almost instantaneous that I think it isn't doing anything
2022-07-06 17:55:21	Edu4rdSHL	4.0K /var/lib/plocate/CACHEDIR.TAG
2022-07-06 17:55:23	Edu4rdSHL	4.0K /var/lib/plocate/plocate.db
2022-07-06 17:55:29	Edu4rdSHL	Doesn't seems good indeed
2022-07-06 17:56:21	susi	if I were you, I'd investigate the cause out of curiosity; something's wrong, and first guess would be it's with your setup and not a bug in the program
2022-07-06 17:57:29	susi	PRUNE_BIND_MOUNTS = "yes" this could affect the $HOME issue, if it's a bind mount on a btrfs subvolume
2022-07-06 17:58:49	Edu4rdSHL	I'm pretty sure it's a bug in the program because everything else works fine, mlocate works fine for example
2022-07-06 17:59:20	susi	there's also plocate-build to convert a mlocate db into plocate db
2022-07-06 18:00:37	susi	Edu4rdSHL: is /var/lib/plocate/plocate.db owned by root:locate?
2022-07-06 18:00:57	Edu4rdSHL	Yes
2022-07-06 18:07:16	kenshi	exit
2022-07-06 18:13:57	wyre	hi guys, not sure why when I open google-chrome the sound card in my lenovo thinkpad E495 gets misconfigured, I can't see any difference between after opening it and before in `aplay -lL`, but not sure what should I check
2022-07-06 18:14:35	wyre	I can see youtube doesn't work till I go to pavucontrol and set 'off' and 'Analog Stereo Duplex' again 
2022-07-06 18:15:17	wyre	aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Right.wav does work before opening Chrome but it doesn't work after opening it 😥
2022-07-06 18:23:37	wyre	I've found this https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Getting_debug_output_from_pulseaudio but I haven't pulseaudio.service or pulseaudio.socket, I guess this is because of this new pipewire? 
2022-07-06 18:23:38	phrik	Title: PulseAudio/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-06 18:26:14	ooonea_eth	With Gnome 42.2, the https://extensions.gnome.org/ page gives no compatible extension.
2022-07-06 18:26:15	phrik	Title: GNOME Shell Extensions (at extensions.gnome.org)
2022-07-06 18:27:07	ooonea_eth	https://ibb.co/4VmYS56
2022-07-06 18:27:08	phrik	Title: Schermata-del-2022-07-06-18-26-34 — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2022-07-06 18:31:00	wyre	is it possible to use pipewire and pulseaudio simultaneously? 
2022-07-06 18:31:35	jelle	wyre: sure, pipewire supports the pulseaudio protocol
2022-07-06 18:31:41	jelle	just install pipewire-pulse
2022-07-06 18:31:59	wyre	jelle, not sure what's causing this behavior then 🤔
2022-07-06 18:32:08	wyre	I've got both apparently working
2022-07-06 18:32:16	wyre	s/working/running/
2022-07-06 18:32:28	jelle	wyre: what behaviour?
2022-07-06 18:32:51	jelle	wyre: are you using pulseaudio or pipewire?
2022-07-06 18:33:14	wyre	jelle, not sure because both are running in the system
2022-07-06 18:33:20	wyre	how may I determine this? 
2022-07-06 18:33:31	lmat	When pacman fails to download from mirrors (three times; https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman/-/blob/master/lib/libalpm/dload.c#L63), it blacklists the servers. How can I un-blacklist a server?
2022-07-06 18:33:33	phrik	Title: lib/libalpm/dload.c · master · Pacman / Pacman · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2022-07-06 18:33:56	jelle	wyre: both are running?
2022-07-06 18:34:12	jelle	wyre: you should not have pulseaudio installed
2022-07-06 18:34:16	wyre	jelle, I can see both in 'ps aux | grep pipewire' and 'ps aux | grep pulseaudio'
2022-07-06 18:34:32	jelle	thats' weird
2022-07-06 18:34:34	wyre	jelle, why?
2022-07-06 18:34:44	jelle	wyre: because you never listen?
2022-07-06 18:35:40	wyre	jelle, I listen till I open google-chrome 
2022-07-06 18:35:55	jelle	wyre: it seems that you are mixing pulseaudio and pipewire, don't do that...
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2022-07-06 18:36:25	wyre	well, actually I've not tested with a continuous audio playing ... but aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Right.wav does work before opening Chrome but not after
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2022-07-06 18:36:50	wyre	jelle, pulseaudio is required by some gnome packages as gnome-bluetooth and gnome-settings-daemon
2022-07-06 18:36:54	via_c7	aur has realvnc server. i installed it. but... its seems invisible. 
2022-07-06 18:37:10	via_c7	os:endeavour DE:xfce
2022-07-06 18:37:12	wyre	via_c7, I've used tigervnc
2022-07-06 18:37:25	via_c7	wyre: does it work as server
2022-07-06 18:37:31	jelle	wyre: I use gnome and don't have pulseaudio, so install pipewire-pulse like I said
2022-07-06 18:37:48	wyre	oh, you using endeavour ... try #endeavouros
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2022-07-06 18:38:38	lmat	I'm trying to use pacredir. Each of my repositories in /etc/pacman.conf say   [core]\nServer = http://127.0.0.1:7077/\nInclude /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist    to add the pacredir proxy. A few minutes ago, this worked. It downloaded and hureds of Mbps and was beautiful, then it hung. I killed pacman, removed db.lck. I'm trying again and now it's only downloading from the internet slowly.
2022-07-06 18:38:42	wyre	via_c7, sure, tigervnc is able to use in the server side
2022-07-06 18:38:51	wyre	s/to use/to be used/
2022-07-06 18:39:26	lmat	via_c7: Are you trying to share an X session over vnc or create new X sessions over VNC? For the former, x0vncserver -display :0;
2022-07-06 18:39:57	wyre	jelle, thank you very much, it was because of that 😆
2022-07-06 18:40:27	wyre	I didn't know the architecture of the audio subsystem so I thought both were compatible or something like this
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2022-07-06 18:41:17	wyre	so is pipewire-pulse sort of an extension to pipewire to make it able to communicate in the same way than pulseaudio?
2022-07-06 18:41:21	agregory	lmat: pacman only blacklists for the current session
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2022-07-06 18:41:42	lmat	agregory: Thank you.
2022-07-06 18:43:19	jelle	wyre: yes as I said, pipewire-pulse is a compatibility layer for pulseaudio
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2022-07-06 18:43:29	conr	`error: failed to synchronize all databases (unable to lock database)` halp
2022-07-06 18:44:06	wyre	jelle, for pulseaudio clients, I'd say, right? 😊
2022-07-06 18:44:34	phrik	conr: Pacman - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman
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2022-07-06 18:46:05	conr	names
2022-07-06 18:46:08	conr	thx
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2022-07-06 18:46:33	conr	how do i find what the latest arch kernel is?
2022-07-06 18:48:45	conr	any of you use zfs-linux package, are you waiting on kernel 5.17 until zfs supports 5.18?
2022-07-06 18:49:51	conr	oh i see, core is 5.17 but zfs' repo has 5.18
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2022-07-06 18:53:01	Khorne	Isn't there a zfs dkms package?
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2022-07-06 18:53:27	conr	Khorne: is it an AUR or part of core?
2022-07-06 18:53:37	Khorne	No zfs package is in core
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2022-07-06 18:53:45	Khorne	or any official repo for that matter
2022-07-06 18:54:08	conr	oh ok, so i should get rid of this archzfs/zfs repo then and use core.
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2022-07-06 18:54:37	Khorne	I'm not sure how that would work, considering that there is no zfs in core...
2022-07-06 18:54:57	conr	oh i just read that wrong
2022-07-06 18:55:05	teraflops	as in arch linux does not officially support zfs
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2022-07-06 18:55:16	Khorne	^
2022-07-06 18:55:26	Khorne	There is however zfs-dkms in archzfs or the aur..
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2022-07-06 18:55:53	conr	so if i use zfs then i have to use it's repo kernel?
2022-07-06 18:56:15	conr	what's the difference between zfs-linux and zfs-dkms packages?
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2022-07-06 18:56:24	Khorne	zfs-linux is for core/linux
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2022-07-06 18:56:35	Khorne	zfs-dkms uses dkms to built the module for whatever kernel is installed
2022-07-06 18:57:10	Khorne	That of course doesn't change anything when openzfs itself is incompatible with a new kernel version
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2022-07-06 18:57:30	Khorne	Also the arch wiki has an excellent page on zfs
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2022-07-06 19:00:24	conr	khorne: how can i check if i have zfs installed correctly?
2022-07-06 19:00:40	lmat	I just retarted my computer and it's not getting an IP address. I have enabled systemd-networkd and I thought it would assign IP addresses to network interfaces automatically, right?
2022-07-06 19:00:53	conr	in-relation to the arch linux kernel
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2022-07-06 19:01:08	Namarrgon	lmat: did you write any configs for it?
2022-07-06 19:01:17	lmat	Namarrgon: no.
2022-07-06 19:01:22	Namarrgon	lmat: then your assumption was wrong
2022-07-06 19:01:28	lmat	Okay, I'll go make a config, thank you!
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2022-07-06 19:04:01	lmat	Namarrgon: Working fine now, thank you! I guess dhcpcd was still running last time...or something.
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2022-07-06 19:08:39	conr	h4rd3n3d: yeah my zpool is online just wish i had a better way that zfs isn't blocking all my package updates
2022-07-06 19:09:02	conr	maybe i should move to aur zfs-dmks
2022-07-06 19:10:24	MrElendig	dkms and a lts kernel
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2022-07-06 19:13:07	lmat	susi: Your link was useful: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Custom_local_repository. It looks like pacredir is the best option, but it's currently broken because of the pacman server error limit? https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman/-/blob/master/lib/libalpm/dload.c#L63
2022-07-06 19:13:08	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-06 19:13:48	lmat	It looks like someone tried to fix it so that caching servers (where package retrieval is expected) can be ignored: https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/pacman-dev/2021-May/025159.html but it was denied...
2022-07-06 19:13:49	phrik	Title: [pacman-dev] [PATCH 1/1] support http header to indicate an expected failure (at lists.archlinux.org)
2022-07-06 19:14:03	conr	MrElendig: what does that mean?
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2022-07-06 19:14:15	conr	LTS is the harden kernel?
2022-07-06 19:14:19	MrElendig	no
2022-07-06 19:14:45	MrElendig	https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html  "Longterm" section
2022-07-06 19:14:46	phrik	Title: The Linux Kernel Archives - Releases (at www.kernel.org)
2022-07-06 19:15:04	conr	uname -r
2022-07-06 19:15:07	MrElendig	the problem with zfs is that it often have a significant delay before it supports new kernel versions
2022-07-06 19:15:17	MrElendig	using linux-lts somewhat mitigates that
2022-07-06 19:15:22	conr	`5.17.4-arch1-1` <- my kernel
2022-07-06 19:15:40	MrElendig	while still giving you security updates etc
2022-07-06 19:15:54	MrElendig	(which you will not get if you just hold back the 'linux' package)
2022-07-06 19:16:30	conr	what's the kernel naming convention for LTS?
2022-07-06 19:16:42	Khorne	-lts
2022-07-06 19:16:44	MrElendig	pacman -Ss linux lts
2022-07-06 19:16:46	Khorne	d'oh
2022-07-06 19:16:58	Khorne	Is the wiki down?
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2022-07-06 19:17:33	Khorne	It's not. conr https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ZFS https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel#Officially_supported_kernels
2022-07-06 19:17:34	phrik	Title: ZFS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-06 19:17:45	conr	MrElendig: LTS is at 5.15.x, will i have to downgrade all my packages?
2022-07-06 19:17:52	MrElendig	no
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2022-07-06 19:18:51	conr	ok can you walk me through, changing kernels and removing archzfs to then use zfs-dmks?
2022-07-06 19:18:57	Khorne	The point of LTS (usually some versions behind the non-LTS kernel) is that you do not have to hold packages back
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2022-07-06 19:21:10	conr	right, Long-Term Support
2022-07-06 19:21:38	conr	how can i change from core/linux to core/linux-lts
2022-07-06 19:22:00	MrElendig	install it and add it to your bootloader
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2022-07-06 19:22:24	conr	oh right grub
2022-07-06 19:22:28	Khorne	You dont even have to *change*, you can install both..
2022-07-06 19:22:37	Khorne	You can't of course boot both at the same time
2022-07-06 19:22:58	conr	right, after i boot in LTS should i uninstall core/linux?
2022-07-06 19:23:14	artefact	doesn't matter
2022-07-06 19:23:17	MrElendig	only if you can't afford the 150mb of disk space
2022-07-06 19:24:00	conr	and those who use zfs, do you use the AUR package or archzfs repo?
2022-07-06 19:24:30	Betal	can firefox solve mdns hosts? it fail if I don't add x.local in /etc/hosts, even if ping and others works with mdns
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2022-07-06 19:24:54	MrElendig	Betal: if your glibc/nss can, then sure
2022-07-06 19:25:45	MrElendig	Betal: you might have to disable DoH if you are using that in ff
2022-07-06 19:26:31	Betal	MrElendig: 'DNS over HTTPS' ? I have it disabled in connection settings
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2022-07-06 19:27:21	MrElendig	there are also some bugs regarding webrtc/socket/etc and mdsn in ff
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2022-07-06 19:27:43	Betal	MrElendig: nsswitch.conf have mdns4_minimal, how I can test if glibc/nss also can resolve?
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2022-07-06 19:28:18	MrElendig	what are you using for mdns btw, avahi or resolved?
2022-07-06 19:29:07	Betal	MrElendig: the PC trying to connect is using avahi, the one publishing is using resolved
2022-07-06 19:30:46	MrElendig	I would consider setting up a local dns server
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2022-07-06 19:33:17	BrainDamage	Betal: yes, firefox can resolve mdns provided your system can
2022-07-06 19:33:45	MrElendig	you can have the dns/dhcp server automaticly add entries if you tell your dhcp client to send your hostname
2022-07-06 19:33:47	BrainDamage	and I have the same setup, machines publishing using resolved and avahi on the same machine as ff
2022-07-06 19:34:11	MrElendig	Betal: you are not using ff in flatpak right?
2022-07-06 19:34:21	BrainDamage	check avahi-discover if it lists the machines
2022-07-06 19:34:28	Betal	MrElendig: no
2022-07-06 19:34:48	conr	installed linux-lts and rebooted but lts is not an option on the boot prompt in advanced?
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2022-07-06 19:36:06	Betal	BrainDamage: not listed, I need to setup avahi in target machine too? this one is using networkd/resolved
2022-07-06 19:36:30	BrainDamage	what do you mean "target"?
2022-07-06 19:36:34	MrElendig	conr: you have to configure your boot loader
2022-07-06 19:36:38	BrainDamage	the machine publishing? no
2022-07-06 19:36:49	Betal	BrainDamage: the one Iam trying to connect in firefox, like target.local
2022-07-06 19:37:01	BrainDamage	no, you don't need avahi there
2022-07-06 19:37:07	BrainDamage	show the machine's networkd settings
2022-07-06 19:37:41	conr	MrElendig: /etc/default/grub?
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2022-07-06 19:38:51	MrElendig	are you testing with https://host or host.local?
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2022-07-06 19:40:09	Betal	BrainDamage: https://paste.rs/6Op , networkd.conf is all commented/default
2022-07-06 19:41:17	BrainDamage	that looks fine, do you have any firewall on?
2022-07-06 19:41:23	BrainDamage	in either machine
2022-07-06 19:41:39	Betal	MrElendig: both are failing
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2022-07-06 19:46:09	Betal	BrainDamage: firewalld with mdns service open on both. Also Iam testing this target as a VM, ssh and ping can resolve the .local to ip.
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2022-07-06 19:48:55	BrainDamage	uhhh, that's super-odd
2022-07-06 19:48:56	Betal	MrElendig: https://ip works, https://host and https://host.local fail with 'We can’t connect to the server at'
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2022-07-06 19:49:24	BrainDamage	ping resolving the .local, but not avahi-browse?
2022-07-06 19:49:39	BrainDamage	wait, that's https? there might be odd rules about cert ip
2022-07-06 19:49:46	BrainDamage	and dns name
2022-07-06 19:51:02	conr	thanks everyone, i'm now on lts... now to reinstall zfs.
2022-07-06 19:52:01	BrainDamage	Betal: can the web server be reached with http? if so, try that
2022-07-06 19:52:16	jkc	If an IP address is used in a certificate, it must be present as a subjectAlternativeName, specifically as an IP address record. It will NOT match on common name.
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2022-07-06 19:54:58	Betal	BrainDamage: ok, using http in :8080, works with ip in chromium, firefox wants to access https, chromium fails with target.local:8080 giving ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED
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2022-07-06 19:57:49	Betal	BrainDamage: yes, ping somehow resolve the .local, but I don't see the target in 'avahi-browse --all'
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2022-07-06 20:00:38	BrainDamage	what's your nssswitch?
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2022-07-06 20:03:30	Betal	BrainDamage: https://paste.rs/ct7
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2022-07-06 20:05:05	BrainDamage	try dropping the minimal
2022-07-06 20:07:40	Betal	BrainDamage: do I need to restart/reload networkmanager, systemd-resolved or avahi?
2022-07-06 20:07:40	Thaodan	how can I mount a partition before switch root?
2022-07-06 20:07:57	BrainDamage	just firefox
2022-07-06 20:08:11	BrainDamage	the file is loaded by glibc
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2022-07-06 20:11:14	Betal	BrainDamage: firefox (We can’t connect to the server at), chromium (ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED), and `curl http://target.local:8080/` load the html
2022-07-06 20:11:42	BrainDamage	mmm
2022-07-06 20:12:04	BrainDamage	ok, dumb question, did you by chance enable networkd's avahi support on the machine as well
2022-07-06 20:12:17	BrainDamage	because having 2 mdns stacks conflict with eachother
2022-07-06 20:12:23	BrainDamage	and some programs may pick one or the other
2022-07-06 20:13:31	Betal	BrainDamage: the machine with the given nsswitch use networkmanager/resolved/avahi
2022-07-06 20:14:19	BrainDamage	turn off multicastdns resolution in the current machine, you can only have 1 mdns stack at once
2022-07-06 20:14:29	BrainDamage	so either avahi or networkd, not both
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2022-07-06 20:16:24	Betal	BrainDamage: the 'target' machine is the one who have the https://paste.rs/6Op , the one trying to access target.local don't have any file in /etc/systemd/network, also systemd-networkd is not running
2022-07-06 20:17:43	BrainDamage	my inaccuracy, fix resolved, not networkd
2022-07-06 20:17:59	BrainDamage	set MulticastDNS=no in resolved.conf
2022-07-06 20:18:47	Betal	BrainDamage: not sure if matters, but resolvectl give -mDNS for the network that both have in common, and +mDNS in Global
2022-07-06 20:19:02	BrainDamage	mmm
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2022-07-06 20:22:32	conr	to setup the aur zfs-dkms package, i just need to git clone, cd /zfs-dkms, and makepkg -si?
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2022-07-06 20:25:54	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1423 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1422 normals)
2022-07-06 20:25:22	Betal	BrainDamage: 'I think' I found the problem
2022-07-06 20:25:41	MrElendig	conr: wiki -> aur
2022-07-06 20:25:58	MrElendig	reading that page is not optional
2022-07-06 20:25:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-07-06 20:26:37	Betal	MrElendig, BrainDamage: trying firefox/chromium without firejail, they can find the target.local
2022-07-06 20:26:48	BrainDamage	ahhhh
2022-07-06 20:26:54	artefact	h4rd3n3d: are you using dhcp? try UseDNS=no in your .network file
2022-07-06 20:26:59	BrainDamage	no wonder then
2022-07-06 20:27:01	MrElendig	Betal: that is why I asked about flatpak
2022-07-06 20:27:11	MrElendig	should have asked about firejail too
2022-07-06 20:27:27	Betal	MrElendig: sorry, I really forgot about firejail while trying to debug this
2022-07-06 20:27:30	BrainDamage	give it read access to nssswitch
2022-07-06 20:27:44	◣	Nimzowitsch (~nimzo@user/nimzowitsch) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2022-07-06 20:27:59	BrainDamage	and possibly to the avahi dbus socket
2022-07-06 20:28:53	conr	MrElendig: `error: 'zfs-dkms': could not find or read package`
2022-07-06 20:29:09	conr	when i run `sudo pacman -U zfs-dkms`
2022-07-06 20:29:17	MrElendig	read the page
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2022-07-06 20:29:45	conr	gotcha
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2022-07-06 20:30:09	Thaodan	does mkinitcpio respect x-initrd.mount?
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2022-07-06 20:34:34	conr	MrElendig: ` The following package cannot be upgraded due to unresolvable dependencies: zfs-dkms`
2022-07-06 20:34:55	◣	mizuu (~mizu@user/mizu) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2022-07-06 20:34:59	conr	should i skip?
2022-07-06 20:36:01	MrElendig	no, you should fix the missing dep
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2022-07-06 20:36:25	MrElendig	and apparently you already had it installed?
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2022-07-06 20:39:32	artefact	you're not using systemd-networkd? i'm confused
2022-07-06 20:41:56	conr	MrElendig: `pacman -Q` doesn't show anything and `pacman -R zfs-dkms` doesn't find anything.
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2022-07-07 17:04:44	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1422 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1421 normals)
2022-07-07 09:30:26	megumin	i erroneously deleted some folder how to restore it
2022-07-07 09:30:34	megumin	sudo ext4magic /dev/sda6 -f u/Downloads/ -R
2022-07-07 09:30:38	megumin	it doesn't work
2022-07-07 09:31:11	artefact	restore from a backup
2022-07-07 09:32:25	megumin	there is no backup
2022-07-07 09:35:00	Lola	megumin: did you delete something off windows ?\
2022-07-07 09:35:18	megumin	windows?
2022-07-07 09:36:09	Lola	oh I confused you with a pervious person who was trying to mount a windows partition
2022-07-07 09:38:24	Lola	Linux doesn't have backups unless you set them up yourself. On some systems people have the trashcan but its stuff from your users home. Deleting things with rm -r pretty much means its gone. You can use some forensics software to try and retrieve some things from disk if it hasn't been over written but if you use disk encryption then idk.
2022-07-07 09:39:24	megumin	why didn't it save in journal??
2022-07-07 09:40:21	NetSysFire	because you were unlucky
2022-07-07 09:40:24	NetSysFire	this is why you have backups
2022-07-07 09:40:48	chewing_bever	Recovering files after rm'ing them isn't a supported feature in most file systems
2022-07-07 09:40:48	megumin	journal is useless then
2022-07-07 09:41:00	HuntsMan	megumin: no, you misunderstand how the journal works
2022-07-07 09:41:22	megumin	the files still should be on the disk
2022-07-07 09:41:32	HuntsMan	they probably are
2022-07-07 09:42:25	megumin	what software should i use
2022-07-07 09:42:38	jelle	megumin: as it was from Downloads, I would redownload :)
2022-07-07 09:43:05	megumin	i cant
2022-07-07 09:43:44	Betal	maybe shutdown PC/HDD and try to recover files
2022-07-07 09:46:00	artefact	journal was never for undeleting files. also, unless you use data=journal, file contents doesn't go through the journal (except maybe small files, not sure if ext4 does inlining)
2022-07-07 09:46:25	artefact	maybe you want alias rm=trash-put, or automated btrfs snapshot, and/or a backup strategy
2022-07-07 09:47:17	Lola	megumin:https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Foremost but idk how much this would help you
2022-07-07 09:47:18	phrik	Title: Foremost - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-07 09:50:05	Betal	megumin: if your home is in same partition as your root(/), you will need to shutdown and make a image for better chances of recover, else any writing/logging have chances to overwrite the old data
2022-07-07 09:51:20	megumin	it's not root
2022-07-07 10:57:20	shalokshalom	The package activesupport is outdated since 3 months and prevents Rails from building. Since this is such a crucial and fundamental package, I imagine the community is interested in activesupport working. I cloned the PKGBUILD, changed the version and it runs just fine. The package is maintained in the community repo, and I wonder how and if I can pitch this. 
2022-07-07 10:57:42	shalokshalom	There are no contact details, when I click the maintainers name: https://archlinux.org/packages/community/any/ruby-activesupport/
2022-07-07 10:57:43	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - ruby-activesupport 6.1.4.1-1 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2022-07-07 10:59:39	The-Compiler	shalokshalom: try looking at the first line in the PKGBUILD ;)
2022-07-07 11:07:15	luigibu	hi all, any else having issues with headsets over bluethooth? people on meetings complains that they ear metallic voice.. this is new.. 
2022-07-07 11:12:27	shalokshalom	The-Compiler: thx
2022-07-07 12:29:46	Thaodan	Does devtools delete btrfs btrfs subvolumes recursive including any subvolumes created by the user?
2022-07-07 12:30:13	Thaodan	Devtools meaning makechrootpkg
2022-07-07 12:45:00	Khorne	Thaodan, https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/devtools/-/blob/master/lib/archroot.sh#L46
2022-07-07 12:45:03	phrik	Title: lib/archroot.sh · master · Arch Linux / devtools · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2022-07-07 13:04:53	timahvo1	quit
2022-07-07 13:34:50	Thaodan	Khorne: I've seen that line. I'm just unsure since why would you delete the subvolume created by the user. This would require to run on makechrootpkg on a filesystem without subvolumes.
2022-07-07 13:35:15	Khorne	Thats in relation to the chroot
2022-07-07 13:36:05	Khorne	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:Building_in_a_clean_chroot#Setting_up_a_chroot
2022-07-07 13:36:06	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:Building in a clean chroot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-07 13:37:32	Thaodan	Ok that's releaving.
2022-07-07 15:13:17	CarloWood	How can I list all the current firewall rules that are active?
2022-07-07 15:14:11	wez	sudo iptables -L
2022-07-07 15:14:22	wez	sudo iptables -t nat -L
2022-07-07 15:14:30	wez	sudo iptables -t mangle -L
2022-07-07 15:14:52	CarloWood	Oh - I am using ufw - and I found that I can do it with 'ufw status'. This prints:
2022-07-07 15:15:01	CarloWood	Anywhere                   ALLOW       192.168.178.0/24
2022-07-07 15:15:10	CarloWood	but, I have in my user.rules:
2022-07-07 15:15:23	CarloWood	#-A ufw-user-input -s 192.168.178.0/24 -j ACCEPT
2022-07-07 15:15:23	CarloWood	-A ufw-user-input -s 192.168.132.0/24 -j ACCEPT
2022-07-07 15:15:32	CarloWood	Just replaced the first with the second...
2022-07-07 15:15:49	CarloWood	I did do a 'sudo systemctl restart ufw' :/
2022-07-07 15:16:04	wez	CarloWood: ufw uses iptables
2022-07-07 15:16:47	CarloWood	ok, thx for the commands :). But really my problem seems to be that a restart didn't use the new rules :/
2022-07-07 15:17:10	CarloWood	oh
2022-07-07 15:17:12	CarloWood	hmmmm
2022-07-07 15:17:20	chewing_bever	What's the usage for the check function in a PKGBUILD? Is it not the upstream project's responsibility to test the code?
2022-07-07 15:17:30	chewing_bever	usecase*
2022-07-07 15:17:57	BrainDamage	to make sure that the packaging didn't break the code
2022-07-07 15:19:40	jelle	what upstream tests != what is an Arch system
2022-07-07 15:22:07	artefact	upstream can't test every compiler version, every combination of cflags, every variant of every shared library it links against, etc
2022-07-07 15:22:32	artefact	(which is one appeal of "let upstream ship flatpacks")
2022-07-07 15:26:37	salkin	!paste
2022-07-07 15:26:37	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-07-07 15:37:08	Strykar	felixonmars: any chance the sopel package could be updated? Been a while (7.1.3 vs 7.1.9). The updated python-xmltodict package now causes sopel to fail starting - https://bpa.st/4WBQ
2022-07-07 15:37:08	phrik	Title: View paste 4WBQ (at bpa.st)
2022-07-07 15:40:18	salkin	Hi folks! I am trying to have a dhcp server on my ethernet device. Using systemd-networkd. My setting is as follows: https://paste.oddodd.org/ (see the latest paste). For some reason noone connected to the switch (which is connected to the DHCPServer ethernet port) is assigned an IP addr. As if the DHCP server was not present / nor running. From what I understand networkd has its own dhcp
2022-07-07 15:40:18	salkin	server- but i could be wrong? What could I be missing? I need
2022-07-07 15:40:18	salkin	 to have the extra/dhcp package and enable the systemd service dhcpd4? thx
2022-07-07 15:40:19	phrik	Title: paste (at paste.oddodd.org)
2022-07-07 15:42:46	via_c7	what type of an update is this
2022-07-07 15:42:46	via_c7	Packages (1) manjaro-release-22.07-1
2022-07-07 15:43:13	bittin	#manjaro
2022-07-07 15:43:15	demonicmaniac1	!notarch
2022-07-07 15:43:15	phrik	https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2022-07-07 15:43:34	via_c7	okay
2022-07-07 15:52:58	bittin	helped them in the correct channel
2022-07-07 16:02:08	Strykar	via_c7: probably also relevant - https://manjarno.snorlax.sh/
2022-07-07 16:02:09	phrik	Title: Manjarno (at manjarno.snorlax.sh)
2022-07-07 16:18:13	sorta	i have 2 custom repos added, archlinuxcn and chaotic aur both of which have gimp-git in them. chaotic aur is placed higher in my pacman.conf but I have installed gimp-git from archlinuxcn. How do I make pacman use gimp-git from archlinuxcn while updating and ignore gimp-git in chaotic aur?
2022-07-07 16:19:51	sorta	so what i want is, when i run sudo pacman -Syu, pacman should update gimp-git from archlinucn automatically. currently it gives me a warning saying gimp-git installed locally is apparently higher in version than that present in the repos. But after updating if i do a -S archlinuxcn/gimp-git , the package updates just fine.
2022-07-07 16:20:59	Namarrgon	sorta: there's no other way to override the repo order from pacman.conf
2022-07-07 16:22:23	sorta	ah then i shall change the order
2022-07-07 16:32:07	Fede2	hello! Anyone noticed an issue where the detected display refresh rates are wrong (you see less than actually available) with the latest kernel? I can't tell yet when the issue started but the LTS kernel doesn't have this problem.
2022-07-07 16:37:11	Strykar	Fede2: both my monitors are 165 Hz, Gnome defaults them to 60 Hz but they work fine at 120 and 165
2022-07-07 16:37:11	bin	whats the name of that utility/package that tests input like clicks
2022-07-07 16:37:13	bin	xinput?
2022-07-07 16:37:38	Strykar	bin: xev -event button | grep button
2022-07-07 16:37:57	bin	yes
2022-07-07 16:37:59	bin	thank you
2022-07-07 16:38:01	bin	xev
2022-07-07 16:38:58	bin	was driving myself crazy
2022-07-07 16:49:01	mizuu	for some reason the internal microphone on my laptop is bizzarely loud at the default 100% (0dB) volume on pavucontrol and i need to dial it down to about 30% for a saner volume level. how do i make this setting permanent across reboots?
2022-07-07 16:49:27	bin	mizuu: are you using alsa or jack
2022-07-07 16:50:42	bin	if youre using alsa, install alsamixer and look to see if it's over-gained there
2022-07-07 16:51:07	mizuu	bin: sorry i've barely any knowledge about linux audio, how do i know if i'm using alsa or jack? i've installed pulseaudio if that helps
2022-07-07 16:52:54	mizuu	bin: alsamixer reports nothing out of the ordinary in the capture devices section, it's just the microphone is too loud at 100% 
2022-07-07 16:53:07	bin	so it's not set to 10%?
2022-07-07 16:53:09	bin	100%
2022-07-07 16:53:17	bin	if it's set to 100% it's too high, turn it down
2022-07-07 16:53:43	mizuu	yeah i did that but how do i make it permanent?
2022-07-07 16:58:45	bin	what do you mean
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2022-07-07 17:15:52	artefact	it should be permanent, that's what alsa-restore.service is for aiui
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2022-07-07 17:17:40	wez	Is alsa still a thing? I thought it was deprecated and replaced by pulse?
2022-07-07 17:18:05	HuntsMan	alsa is in the kernel, its mostly the drivers
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2022-07-07 17:21:29	artefact	^ it's also in userspace, afaik all the soundservers (except niche ones like ffado) still talk to libasound
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2022-07-07 17:26:44	v0n	if my desktop has 2 ethernet interfaces, it is possible to bridge them and have the following setup: [router]<--->[enp83s0]-br0-[enp86s0]<--->[PS4 or other machine or switch]?
2022-07-07 17:27:16	v0n	I quickly tried this setup and br0 did get an IP and the desktop had internet access, but not the PS4 plugged in the second interface. Is that expected?
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2022-07-07 17:32:46	another|	did you enable forwarding?
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2022-07-07 17:33:39	v0n	another|: ho, no I didn't. Is this a kernel feature or something to do in the bridge?
2022-07-07 17:33:53	v0n	(I meant system wide vs interface based)
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2022-07-07 17:35:42	another|	hmm... I could be wrong on that..
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2022-07-07 17:39:04	lithiumpt	ip forwarding is not used on ethernet bridging
2022-07-07 17:39:31	lithiumpt	it should have worked... are you using some firewall?
2022-07-07 17:39:44	lithiumpt	like shorewall or something
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2022-07-07 17:40:22	v0n	lithiumpt: no, base archlinux, no fancy config
2022-07-07 17:41:14	lithiumpt	did you use brctl ?
2022-07-07 17:41:46	lithiumpt	try: brctl show
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2022-07-07 17:41:53	lithiumpt	or: bridge link
2022-07-07 17:42:05	v0n	iproute2
2022-07-07 17:42:07	mizuu	bin: the microphone volume level resets to 100% when i hibernate, how can i make it stay at 30% permanently?
2022-07-07 17:42:08	lithiumpt	should show the bridge and its associated ethernet devices
2022-07-07 17:42:10	v0n	hum no sorry
2022-07-07 17:42:17	v0n	I used systemd unit files
2022-07-07 17:42:40	v0n	to bridge the two ethernet interfaces together (without IP) and have a br0 interface use DHCP
2022-07-07 17:43:01	lithiumpt	did you add both the ethernet devices to the bridge?
2022-07-07 17:43:12	another|	did you mean networkd files?
2022-07-07 17:43:15	lithiumpt	sounds like the bridge only has 1 backend ethernet device
2022-07-07 17:43:16	v0n	yes, that worked fine 
2022-07-07 17:44:39	lithiumpt	can you paste the commands you performed?
2022-07-07 17:44:56	lithiumpt	or share: nmcli v0n connection show
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2022-07-07 17:46:16	v0n	bridge link shows this:
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2022-07-07 17:46:19	v0n	2: enp86s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br0 state forwarding priority 32 cost 4 
2022-07-07 17:46:21	v0n	3: enp83s0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 master br0 state disabled priority 32 cost 100 
2022-07-07 17:46:43	v0n	and br0 has an IP from DHCP 
2022-07-07 17:47:01	v0n	only if I plug my PS4 on enp83s0, it doesn't have internet access
2022-07-07 17:47:54	another|	NO-CARRIER means no cable
2022-07-07 17:48:00	lithiumpt	turn the ps4 on now
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2022-07-07 18:09:15	dviola	hello, is it possible to know which compiler archlinux packages are being built with?
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2022-07-07 18:09:22	dviola	compiler version
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2022-07-07 18:09:55	dviola	I'm experiencing some strange issues with pipewire (but only with the arch packages), not with my own builds from git
2022-07-07 18:10:08	dviola	same version and everything
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2022-07-07 18:10:37	another|	readelf -p .comment $path
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2022-07-07 18:39:38	gkwhc	hey guys, is there a way to just copy/dd /dev/sdA2 to /dev/sdB2? my windows system on /dev/sdX2 somehow got messed up. both A and B drives are mirrors of eachother except B drive has a larger /dev/sdB3 (linux system)
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2022-07-07 18:43:26	another|	what's stopping you ?
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2022-07-07 18:44:52	gtlsgamr	How do I get a list of packages explicitly installed by me? for some reason pacman -Qe adds some extra packages as well
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2022-07-07 18:48:04	gtlsgamr	Sorry I back
2022-07-07 18:48:10	gtlsgamr	If someone typed anything please type again
2022-07-07 18:48:17	Namarrgon	"extra packages"?
2022-07-07 18:48:18	another|	pacman -Qe
2022-07-07 18:48:40	another|	... were you using yaourt in the past?
2022-07-07 18:48:42	salkin	-Qq ?
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2022-07-07 18:49:30	gtlsgamr	wyes I have used it 
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2022-07-07 18:50:14	another|	yaourt installed deps as explicit
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2022-07-07 18:50:36	gtlsgamr	oof.
2022-07-07 18:50:38	gtlsgamr	That is not good.
2022-07-07 18:50:57	gkwhc	another|: not sure how to just copy/dd over the 2nd partition without messing up boot/MBR/3rd partition. i forgot to mention that drive B is larger (256GB) than drive A (128GB) and 3rd partition has been extended to fill the drive. 
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2022-07-07 18:51:28	ℹ 	jinsun__ es conocido ahora como jinsun
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2022-07-07 18:52:02	another|	gtlsgamr: yep. been through the pain already
2022-07-07 18:52:20	gtlsgamr	So I will just have to... you know. Manually go through the list.
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2022-07-07 18:52:54	another|	gtlsgamr: are the second partitions same size? what fs?
2022-07-07 18:53:02	another|	gtlsgamr: yes
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2022-07-07 19:11:58	ℹ 	polo es conocido ahora como money
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2022-07-07 19:15:53	Baphomet	Hello there! The ArchWiki says grub has limited support for booting luks2 encrypted partitions... However, now arch is using grub from git since a couple of weeks ago... That said, what "limited support" means in this context, and is that information up-to-date?
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2022-07-07 19:21:21	ℹ 	tam1m_ es conocido ahora como tam1m
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2022-07-07 19:29:52	Vorpal	luks2 works fine if your /boot is unencrypted
2022-07-07 19:29:52	Vorpal	I think that might be what you have to do though: unencrypted /boot. But I'm not sure on the specifics
2022-07-07 19:30:03	artefact	you can put your bzimage/initramfs on /efi, too
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2022-07-07 19:30:48	artefact	or use luks1 for /boot and luks2 for /. the crypto is the same anyway
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2022-07-07 19:40:29	another|	last time I looked into it: luks1 support; limited luks2 support
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2022-07-08 16:36:19	another|	and/or they tailored their answer to the target audience
2022-07-08 16:37:35	another|	I'm not a fan of the "don't talk to people who say X". There may be valid reasons that just haven't occured to you yet
2022-07-08 16:38:30	another|	aks them why. worst case: their arguments are non-existent and you can teach them better
2022-07-08 16:38:45	Scimmia	I didn't say don't talk to them, I said don't take advice from them
2022-07-08 16:39:24	Thaodan	I think it could come from Windows user's not thinking it's right since Windows doesn't do it either?
2022-07-08 16:39:26	Scimmia	and I stand by that. When someone clearly indicates they aren't giving good advice, don't take further advice from them
2022-07-08 16:40:30	another|	fair enough
2022-07-08 16:43:15	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-08 16:43:32	Scimmia	so analoq, I've got a few more minutes, did you need help troubleshooting the system that's not working?
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2022-07-08 16:50:33	themayor	soooo, any arch devs around or anyone who used to work on the cloud images?
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2022-07-08 16:53:27	MrElendig	h4rd3n3d: stay the fuck away from the psu
2022-07-08 16:53:36	MrElendig	or at least discharge all the mains caps
2022-07-08 16:53:55	MrElendig	(don't trust the bleeder resistors(
2022-07-08 16:54:09	artefact	^ unplug it then press the power button a couple times
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2022-07-08 16:54:14	artefact	if it doesn't have a power button, well.......
2022-07-08 16:54:23	MrElendig	artefact: that might not do anything
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2022-07-08 16:54:44	MrElendig	artefact: power button is hot hardwired to the psu anymore
2022-07-08 16:54:53	Tom^	pull the power cord while its turned on :p
2022-07-08 16:55:00	MrElendig	(also didn't work for most crt's anyway)
2022-07-08 16:55:04	mefistofeles	yeah, they now use solid state relays and whatnot, not actualy switches
2022-07-08 16:55:20	MrElendig	if you have to mess with the psu, just grab a screwdriver and short the mains caps
2022-07-08 16:55:32	artefact	are we not talking about a smart tv?
2022-07-08 16:55:39	MrElendig	we are
2022-07-08 16:55:42	MrElendig	they also have a psu
2022-07-08 16:55:56	MrElendig	usually mounted with no protection
2022-07-08 16:56:02	artefact	it's not a brick?
2022-07-08 16:56:09	MrElendig	in most cases no
2022-07-08 16:56:53	lmat	jonathon: "NFS works fine" I was used a shared NFS pacman package cache to update 7 computers or so, and it broke some of them. I don't think pacman supports a shared cache. I guess they attempted to download packages over one another? pacredir is the way to go.
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2022-07-08 17:00:44	MrElendig	lmat: pacman doesn't care if the cache is on a local fs or nfs
2022-07-08 17:01:14	MrElendig	as long as you don't delete files or whatnot while pacman is running it works fine
2022-07-08 17:01:16	lmat	MrElendig: Sure, but if multiple pacmans are trying to download a package at the same time, they don't cooperate.
2022-07-08 17:01:47	MrElendig	lmat: you update your test box first, then the rest :)
2022-07-08 17:02:35	MrElendig	or if at home, start update, walk to the other machine and start update since the first one will be done by then :p
2022-07-08 17:02:36	lmat	MrElendig: Again, that only works if the first machine downloads packages that the others need. If the test machine doesn't have, for instance, imagemagick, but two others do...I'll just use pacredir!
2022-07-08 17:02:57	ℹ 	horix1 es conocido ahora como horix0
2022-07-08 17:03:36	lmat	WALK!? pfft. I use tmux with one pane for each computer. I don't walk, I don't even need to type the command more than once because I use synchronize-panes!! :-D
2022-07-08 17:04:06	MrElendig	lmat: how else are you going to grab a cup of tea?
2022-07-08 17:04:30	MrElendig	somethingsomething summoning rituals, slave crests and isekai
2022-07-08 17:04:35	lmat	^_^
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2022-07-08 17:05:38	MrElendig	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z_ntKJSg_8
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2022-07-08 17:12:20	Sadale	Hello guys. I've found a weird case of printer issue here. Pantum P2500. This printer works perfectly under Windows. However, in my arch linux installation, it didn't work quite well. I configured the printer using "Generic IPP Everywhere Printer" driver. After sending a print job, the printer produced sound, but it didn't print anything. I found that I have to remove the USB cable after sending
2022-07-08 17:12:20	Sadale	the print job it order to get the page printed. Any idea on 
2022-07-08 17:12:20	Sadale	why's that?
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2022-07-08 17:13:12	Sadale	I've tried aur/pantum-p2200-p2500-driver and aur/pantum_driver as well. They doesn't work. I haven't tried the USB cable removal technique on these drivers tho.
2022-07-08 17:14:21	Sadale	One more piece of info in case it helps. I figured out that using the IPP over USB driver would lead me to somewhere because this printer has a variant that supports wireless printing.
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2022-07-08 17:14:39	Sadale	Not on P2500 tho. P2500W supports wireless. P2500 doesn't
2022-07-08 17:14:52	MrElendig	protip: never buy a printer that doesn't do network
2022-07-08 17:15:12	MrElendig	I would poke the maker of said printer though
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2022-07-08 17:24:41	Edu4rdSHL	Poke with an Arch
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2022-07-08 17:25:51	MrElendig	also check if the maker ships ppd files for the printer
2022-07-08 17:27:43	mefistofeles	printers are alien technology
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2022-07-08 17:29:51	Edu4rdSHL	I doubt that even aliens understand how printers work
2022-07-08 17:29:52	MrElendig	no
2022-07-08 17:30:17	MrElendig	the aliens have moved to a paperless society a few million years ago
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2022-07-08 17:32:12	artefact	this made a lot of people very angry
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2022-07-08 17:39:23	NoobAlice	Sadale: It looks like there is a newer driver available on Pantum's website.  AUR is 1.80, Pantum's current is 1.84.  Also, the website has different links for P2500 and P2500W.  Search P2500 here: https://global.pantum.com/support/download/driver/
2022-07-08 17:39:28	phrik	Title: Driver/File Download (at global.pantum.com)
2022-07-08 17:39:55	NoobAlice	Also, flag that AUR package out of date and give the maintainer the new links. :)
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2022-07-08 17:49:18	jonathon	lmat: that's not a fault of NFS. if something broke it's more likely because you symlinked /var/cache/pacman/pkg rather than adding the network cache as a separate cachedir; several machines downloading the same package file simultaneously would just cause pacman to abort with an error... unless there's an edge case where a package is overwritten while being extracted... :/
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2022-07-08 17:53:39	Deadly_Alive	so apparently you're supposed to type archinstall when it boots into the console
2022-07-08 17:53:49	Deadly_Alive	but i don't see that info on the arch wiki
2022-07-08 17:54:12	MrElendig	archinstall is optional
2022-07-08 17:55:04	MrElendig	and yea its not mentioned in the official install guide (yet), but it does have its own dedicated page
2022-07-08 17:55:24	MrElendig	(though that page kinda needs a rewrite)
2022-07-08 17:55:53	Deadly_Alive	ok
2022-07-08 17:56:07	Deadly_Alive	only found out about it through a youtube video
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2022-07-08 17:56:54	MrElendig	the official install guide is still the main recommended way
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2022-07-08 18:01:47	Ingar	does anyone know where KDE saves sound volume settings ?
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2022-07-08 18:03:19	another|	check with your sound server
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2022-07-08 18:05:02	Ingar	another|: it's not the sound server, if I just loguit en login again, the channel I need is always muted
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2022-07-08 18:05:34	another|	what sound server are you running?
2022-07-08 18:05:40	Ingar	the evil one I guess
2022-07-08 18:05:45	another|	which is?
2022-07-08 18:06:02	Ingar	pulse
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2022-07-08 18:10:26	Ingar	mmm it actually could be pulse
2022-07-08 18:10:37	Ingar	god damn piece of <censored content>
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2022-07-08 18:10:54	another|	AFAIK pulse has it's session manager mangled into the other code. check ~/.config/pulse/
2022-07-08 18:11:06	MrElendig	kde makes it worse by putting phonon on top
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2022-07-08 18:11:30	MrElendig	even more fun if you use phonon-vlc
2022-07-08 18:11:57	MrElendig	application -> phonon -> vlc -> pulse -> alsa hardware driver
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2022-07-08 18:12:36	BrainDamage	phonon, reimplementing streamer on top of gstreamer ( or vlc )
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2022-07-08 18:12:47	BrainDamage	gstreamer*
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2022-07-08 18:15:47	dav1d	MrElendig, I assume this is the same for pipewire instead of pulse?
2022-07-08 18:15:55	MrElendig	with kde, yes
2022-07-08 18:16:00	Ingar	it's the same in console, so it's not even KDE 
2022-07-08 18:16:15	Ingar	nuked ~/.config/pulse/* -> same result
2022-07-08 18:16:17	MrElendig	it doesn't support pipewire natively so you might end up with pipewire-pulse even
2022-07-08 18:16:21	Ingar	"Front" is always muted
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2022-07-08 18:16:33	ℹ 	bougyman_ es conocido ahora como bougyman
2022-07-08 18:16:38	another|	unmute it?
2022-07-08 18:16:42	MrElendig	for non-kde apps then you can cross out phonon of course
2022-07-08 18:17:16	Ingar	another|: duh, that's what I have to do now every time I boot. it gets annoying
2022-07-08 18:17:47	Ingar	I just login on tty, alsamixer, unmute, logout, login, alsamixer and it is muted again
2022-07-08 18:17:49	another|	hmm..
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2022-07-08 18:18:20	teraflops	unmute it at alsamixer
2022-07-08 18:18:50	Ingar	teraflops: that's indeed  what I do every time
2022-07-08 18:18:54	Ingar	it gets annoying
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2022-07-08 18:19:12	Ingar	maybe it's some weird thing with this card's driver
2022-07-08 18:19:17	teraflops	alsactl restore should take care of it then
2022-07-08 18:19:19	another|	alsa-restore.service ?
2022-07-08 18:19:29	teraflops	alsactl restore service^
2022-07-08 18:19:33	teraflops	yeah
2022-07-08 18:19:44	Ingar	ooh is that a separate service ?
2022-07-08 18:20:07	another|	is it active?
2022-07-08 18:20:08	Ingar	and it's already active
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2022-07-08 18:22:18	Ingar	interesting, it doesnt happen as root
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2022-07-08 18:22:28	teraflops	try running `alsactl store` when it's unmuted
2022-07-08 18:23:09	Ingar	teraflops: doesn't change anything either :-\ had already tried that
2022-07-08 18:23:13	another|	/var/lib/alsa/asound.state
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2022-07-08 18:24:10	another|	wild stab in the dark, but maybe pipewire/wireplumber could help you with this?
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2022-07-08 18:25:16	Ingar	it's jsut so puzzling
2022-07-08 18:25:25	another|	at least WP config and state is plain text
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2022-07-08 18:56:38	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-07-08 18:56:38	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1436 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1435 normals)
2022-07-08 18:26:41	Ingar	thanks for the hints in any case, at least I have a better idea where to look
2022-07-08 18:26:43	Warepire	NoobAlice: (update from like 2 weeks ago) Finally got a chance to try TbSync today, it works against the Exchange 2016 server, however, for ActiveSync they currently only support pull of meetings, tasks, and contact lists. So I couldn't replace davmail entirely. But I do get reminders about meetings again, even if I have to keep accept them and schedule them in Teams.
2022-07-08 18:26:50	alloy_	hey, my system hung during an update so I had to cold boot it.  my fault for pushing it too hard.  now I get errors on updates about haskell not being installed properly, pasting errors, how do I fix this?  Cheers!
2022-07-08 18:27:02	alloy_	!paste
2022-07-08 18:27:03	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-07-08 18:28:03	alloy_	https://bpa.st/Q4BQ
2022-07-08 18:28:03	phrik	Title: View paste Q4BQ (at bpa.st)
2022-07-08 18:28:19	alloy_	ldconfig: File /usr/lib/libHSbase-orphans-0.8.6-B2lepPtD7GPLSjZRm3qaUK-ghc9.0.2.so is empty, not checked.
2022-07-08 18:28:30	alloy_	basically a dozen of those ^
2022-07-08 18:28:47	another|	reinstallt the packages?
2022-07-08 18:29:35	MrElendig	alloy_: reinstall all the packages that were being updated
2022-07-08 18:29:50	alloy_	it was a Syu a fre days ago
2022-07-08 18:29:58	MrElendig	optionally pacman -Qkkq 1>/dev/null for good measure
2022-07-08 18:30:30	⚡ 	alloy_ pipes MrElendig to /dev/null
2022-07-08 18:30:32	alloy_	:)
2022-07-08 18:31:38	MrElendig	the stdout redirect gets rid of a lot of noise
2022-07-08 18:31:39	alloy	ok so I'll add to my question - as the system hung and I had to cold boot it I have no idea what it was up to at the point it froze.
2022-07-08 18:31:46	alloy	no way to capture it
2022-07-08 18:31:56	NoobAlice	Warepire: Well, that sounds like progress! :D  Could you still set up that server email to go through Thunderbird and just not use the all-in-one-place setup feature of TbSync for it?
2022-07-08 18:32:03	MrElendig	alloy: pacman log can give a hint
2022-07-08 18:32:10	alloy	I guess in hindsight, with phone cameras everywhere, taking a shot of the screen would be a good idea
2022-07-08 18:33:56	another|	/var/log/pacman.log
2022-07-08 18:34:39	Warepire	NoobAlice: Will keep using DavMail for the mailing part, at least that bit still works. The most important part was getting meeting notifications again.
2022-07-08 18:34:57	NoobAlice	Warepire: Thank you for the update!
2022-07-08 18:35:02	Warepire	...And not trashing everyone elses calendar at the same time
2022-07-08 18:35:12	Warepire	No problem =)
2022-07-08 18:37:17	alloy	ok so /var/log/pacman.log is over ten thousand lines, any hints as to what I should be looking for? :)
2022-07-08 18:37:49	alloy	LC_ALL=C pacman -Qkk | grep -v ', 0 altered files'
2022-07-08 18:37:51	alloy	doh
2022-07-08 18:37:56	alloy	[2022-07-09T02:21:36+1000] [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] ldconfig: File /usr/lib/libHSdata-fix-0.3.2-HfZYb6VpPDSBljqPm9YilU-ghc9.0.2.so is empty, not checked.
2022-07-08 18:38:13	alloy	that paste.  it's a longer version of the errors coming up during update/install
2022-07-08 18:38:34	alloy	I just want to be sure I've not corrupted the package manager to the point my laptop dies on me!
2022-07-08 18:56:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-07-08 18:57:31	another|	start from the end of the file
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2022-07-08 19:00:41	alloy	does anyone know what "ldconfig: File <somefile> is empty, so not checked." means?
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2022-07-08 19:02:04	MrElendig	literally what it says, that you have a 0 byte file instead of the expected .so
2022-07-08 19:02:15	MrElendig	reinstall the packages that owns those files
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2022-07-08 19:03:18	alloy	I can understand it literally :) looking for a solution to fix it.
2022-07-08 19:03:22	◣	jclsn_ (~jclsn@2a04:4540:6521:f600:2ce:39ff:fecf:efcd) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2022-07-08 19:03:27	alloy	libHSdata-fix-0.3.2-HfZYb6VpPDSBljqPm9YilU-ghc9.0.2.so
2022-07-08 19:03:37	MrElendig	reinstall the package that owns that
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2022-07-08 19:05:05	MrElendig	pacman -Syu haskell-data-fix <any other broken package>...
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2022-07-08 19:07:08	alloy	yeah that fails
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2022-07-08 19:07:50	another|	how?
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2022-07-08 19:08:25	alloy	!paste
2022-07-08 19:08:25	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-07-08 19:08:49	alloy	like this: https://bpa.st/YVMA
2022-07-08 19:08:49	phrik	Title: View paste YVMA (at bpa.st)
2022-07-08 19:09:33	MrElendig	delete those, tell pacman to overwrite them or use --dbonly first and then -S again
2022-07-08 19:09:47	◣	bookman_ (~WAR10CK@14.223.183.140) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-07-08 19:10:22	MrElendig	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#%22Failed_to_commit_transaction_(conflicting_files)%22_error
2022-07-08 19:10:23	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-08 19:14:19	alloy	ok... so the tldr is "if your system crashes during an update you'll be left with N orphaned files that you'll have to delete manually"?  that's ok if it's the case but...
2022-07-08 19:14:59	artefact	pacman is very crash-unsafe
2022-07-08 19:15:14	artefact	if you use btrfs, you can sidestep the issue with hooks that create snapshots
2022-07-08 19:15:42	artefact	if you crash mid-mkinitcpio you won't even have a bootable initramfs anymore
2022-07-08 19:16:02	artefact	i've argued for overwrite by rename in that regard, but nobody listens
2022-07-08 19:16:12	alloy	yeah, I've had a terminal crash during upgrade
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2022-07-08 19:16:32	alloy	I keep a dd perfect (weekly) identical m2 drive of my laptop as a result!
2022-07-08 19:16:47	artefact	see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Snapper#Wrapping_pacman_transactions_in_snapshots
2022-07-08 19:16:48	phrik	Title: Snapper - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-08 19:17:09	artefact	(or you can do it manually, it's not difficult at all)
2022-07-08 19:17:13	alloy	so looks like my weekend will be chasing 100 orphans down lol
2022-07-08 19:17:38	◥	Booni (~kvirc@user/Booni) has joined #archlinux
2022-07-08 19:17:38	Scimmia	artefact: worse than that, the initramfs' get removed pre-transaction
2022-07-08 19:17:39	alloy	at least, like you say, I can boot :D
2022-07-08 19:17:41	artefact	probably safest to reinstall all packages. esp if you use a not so crash-resistent non-cow filesystem
2022-07-08 19:18:33	alloy	lol, lucky I'm a command-line-commando by trade ;)
2022-07-08 19:18:46	Scimmia	you'll definitely want to reinstall all packages included in a crashed update. Hooks need to trigger
2022-07-08 19:19:02	alloy	this would be hell for a "normal" person (who probs shouldn't use arch I 'spose)
2022-07-08 19:19:28	alloy	cheers all, I understand now
2022-07-08 19:19:50	◣	H3dn1ng (~H3dn1ng@185.65.135.254) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-07-08 19:20:03	alloy	was hoping to head "pacman --auto-fix-all" :D
2022-07-08 19:20:29	artefact	here are my hooks https://paste.debian.net/plainh/6b3ffeea if i crash mid-upgrade, it auto boots into the pre-transaction snapshot
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2022-07-08 19:21:03	jenkins	how do I set the required kernel parameters for swap file hybernation in default/grub?
2022-07-08 19:21:39	artefact	jenkins: have you read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate#Hibernation ?
2022-07-08 19:21:41	jenkins	what is says here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate#Hibernation_into_swap_file
2022-07-08 19:21:41	phrik	Title: Power management/Suspend and hibernate - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-08 19:21:41	◥	kts (~kts@103.73.237.120) has joined #archlinux
2022-07-08 19:21:42	phrik	Title: Power management/Suspend and hibernate - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-08 19:22:47	jenkins	my swap file is /swapfile
2022-07-08 19:23:24	◥	horix0 (~Thunderbi@116.88.199.184) has joined #archlinux
2022-07-08 19:23:27	susi	isn't it explained pretty well in there
2022-07-08 19:23:41	jenkins	nope
2022-07-08 19:23:59	another|	jenkins: where are you stuck?
2022-07-08 19:24:46	Scimmia	jenkins: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Additional_arguments
2022-07-08 19:24:47	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-08 19:25:14	◣	milkt (~debian@gateway/tor-sasl/milkt) ha salido (Quit: leaving)
2022-07-08 19:25:24	jenkins	should I put them in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT or GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX?
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2022-07-08 19:26:04	ℹ 	vxwarlock es conocido ahora como vx_numberone
2022-07-08 19:26:15	alloy	ah - another can of worms I've opened for myself too lol
2022-07-08 19:26:17	another|	see above from Scimmia 
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2022-07-08 19:26:29	alloy	hybrid suspend on encrypted drives
2022-07-08 19:26:33	jenkins	also how do I specify the path to the file?
2022-07-08 19:27:01	artefact	read the wiki article again
2022-07-08 19:27:03	Edu4rdSHL	jenkins, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX sets them in both recovery and "normal" images, _DEFAULT set them only in "Normal" image
2022-07-08 19:27:05	◣	JackWinter (~jack@vodsl-9234.vo.lu) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-07-08 19:27:11	alloy	thanks for the help, everyone that did. ciao!
2022-07-08 19:27:19	◣	alloy (alloy@user/alloy) ha salido (Quit: Leaving)
2022-07-08 19:29:12	jenkins	come on #archlinux I need some hand-holding here
2022-07-08 19:29:27	jenkins	I don't wanna get a phd in kernel parameters just to do hybernation
2022-07-08 19:29:38	jenkins	and I have to set up plymouth next...
2022-07-08 19:29:42	◥	JackWinter (~jack@vodsl-9234.vo.lu) has joined #archlinux
2022-07-08 19:30:16	Edu4rdSHL	Well, the documentation is there, if you don't want to read then it's your problem
2022-07-08 19:30:39	◣	spare (~fidnknls3@user/spareproject) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-07-08 19:31:01	another|	s/it's your problem/Arch might not be for you/
2022-07-08 19:31:04	Edu4rdSHL	That's why documentation exists, to avoid giving step by step to each user that joins here
2022-07-08 19:32:52	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
2022-07-08 19:32:53	◥	teraflops (~teraflops@sleepl.es) has joined #archlinux
2022-07-08 19:32:53	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-07-08 19:32:53	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1438 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1437 normals)
2022-07-08 19:32:44	jenkins	whatever, I'll just try putting in something... worse thing that can happen is that it doesn't boot
2022-07-08 19:32:59	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-07-08 19:33:16	another|	If you're not willing to learn by reading then you shouldn't use Arch.
2022-07-08 19:33:26	jenkins	edgy
2022-07-08 19:33:48	jenkins	I agree with that philosophy btw
2022-07-08 19:34:04	psychotron	how long to wait for wet atomiser?
2022-07-08 19:34:26	another|	I don't see how that is "edgy".
2022-07-08 19:34:36	◥	wrkzk (~warren@107-204-191-23.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #archlinux
2022-07-08 19:34:48	psychotron	where can I get help for this istick pico x
2022-07-08 19:35:23	psychotron	It's already been 15min?
2022-07-08 19:35:28	another|	Arch expect you to make your own decisions on what to install and configure. If you do not have the knowledge, you are expected to aquire that knowledge. It's right there in the wiki
2022-07-08 19:36:13	teraflops	are you psychotron or psychotroll
2022-07-08 19:36:20	jenkins	another|: yeah I think I know what arch is and how it works, thank you
2022-07-08 19:36:33	another|	jenkins: Great!
2022-07-08 19:36:50	psychotron	I am no troll
2022-07-08 19:37:03	another|	jenkins: yet, you seem to refuse to read the wiki
2022-07-08 19:38:28	jenkins	I asked for a minor clarification another|, I don't need a lecture on why I'm not yet worthy of using arch after I've been using it for almost a decade
2022-07-08 19:39:05	◥	cc0a3hr (~artist@user/cc0a3hr) has joined #archlinux
2022-07-08 19:39:13	another|	I did not insinuate anything about "worthiness"
2022-07-08 19:39:21	jenkins	I understand the memes and all but this is a bit too much
2022-07-08 19:39:26	another|	but the info you seem to seek is right there
2022-07-08 19:39:33	another|	I don't meme
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2022-07-08 19:40:09	psychotron	hassle hassle arch is just a hassle
2022-07-08 19:40:22	psychotron	so are some people here
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2022-07-08 19:40:31	teraflops	yeah ^^
2022-07-08 19:40:39	another|	jenkins: read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate#Hibernation_into_swap_file line by line and tell me where you'r stuck
2022-07-08 19:40:40	phrik	Title: Power management/Suspend and hibernate - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-08 19:40:53	jenkins	I got it working already
2022-07-08 19:41:18	another|	...
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2022-07-08 19:42:59	gehidore	can we be done with this discussion?
2022-07-08 19:43:07	gehidore	it's not productive at all
2022-07-08 19:43:35	◣	usrnamewastaken (~Delvien@gateway/vpn/pia/delvien) ha salido (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2022-07-08 19:43:58	psychotron	is there a vaping channel?
2022-07-08 19:44:54	another|	/msg alis help list
2022-07-08 19:44:56	◣	ninjabuffet (~ninjabuff@user/ninjabuffet) ha salido (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
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2022-07-08 19:45:24	Booni	psychotron: vapes are running linux now too? ?
2022-07-08 19:45:28	◥	usrnamewastaken (~Delvien@gateway/vpn/pia/delvien) has joined #archlinux
2022-07-08 19:45:44	psychotron	I got 12mg/ml nicotine
2022-07-08 19:45:59	Booni	I'm on 5mg/ml
2022-07-08 19:46:15	Booni	Blueberry Jam doughnut - awesome flavor xD
2022-07-08 19:46:30	psychotron	they first sold me the wrong bottle of this
2022-07-08 19:46:50	MrElendig	wrong channel for that
2022-07-08 19:47:03	psychotron	fine
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2022-07-08 19:51:06	psychotron	should I fix one hard drive that has arch in it for the x220 or...
2022-07-08 19:51:28	psychotron	put the hard drive to udoo?
2022-07-08 19:51:30	MrElendig	no, you should get a cheap ssd instead
2022-07-08 19:51:58	psychotron	I got samsung evo in this T60
2022-07-08 19:52:03	psychotron	1TB
2022-07-08 19:52:13	◣	sord937 (~sord937@gateway/tor-sasl/sord937) ha salido (Quit: sord937)
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2022-07-08 19:52:30	psychotron	I also have evo 2TB on x220
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2022-07-08 19:53:05	psychotron	the hard drive is just a plus feature
2022-07-08 19:53:06	susi	I have run my systems from USB and eMMC medias for years ^.^
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2022-07-08 19:53:46	jelle	masochism is not for everyone :)
2022-07-08 19:53:58	◣	spare (~fidnknls3@user/spareproject) ha salido (Killed (NickServ (Forcing logout spare -> spareproject)))
2022-07-08 19:54:06	psychotron	I got the sled for the docking station on the x220
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2022-07-08 19:55:21	psychotron	sled was very expensive
2022-07-08 19:55:32	psychotron	thinkpad hardware
2022-07-08 19:55:45	Repentinus	Nobody cares.
2022-07-08 19:56:10	psychotron	fine be that way someone alwaaaays cares
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2022-07-08 19:56:51	artefact	media is already plural. (sorry to be that guy.)
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2022-07-08 19:57:31	psychotron	language nazi
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2022-07-08 19:57:49	machinehum	I'm trying to change the picom transparency in KiCad to 100%, I have this is picom.conf: https://pastebin.com/raw/PrpVwqEF
2022-07-08 19:57:50	@EMIYA_	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oQkm.txt
2022-07-08 19:58:01	machinehum	It works for all the other applications, but not kicad
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2022-07-08 19:58:11	machinehum	Is there a way to get the window "name"?
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2022-07-08 19:58:27	MrElendig	xprop
2022-07-08 19:58:37	psychotron	never mind
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2022-07-08 19:59:41	machinehum	https://pastebin.com/raw/4Fsap5n6
2022-07-08 19:59:42	@EMIYA_	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oQku.txt
2022-07-08 19:59:50	machinehum	I've tried 'Kicad' as well
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2022-07-08 20:05:23	MrElendig	h4rd3n3d: the psu itself still holds line voltage
2022-07-08 20:05:43	MrElendig	h4rd3n3d: on crt there was the added fun of 12kV or more supply for the tube
2022-07-08 20:06:16	MrElendig	well, 5kV and up, but that doesn't make much of a difference :p
2022-07-08 20:06:53	◥	jumper149 (~jumper149@base.felixspringer.xyz) has joined #archlinux
2022-07-08 20:07:02	MrElendig	has enough energy behind it to kill you
2022-07-08 20:07:42	MrElendig	some of the later large size crt's were closing in on 50kV
2022-07-08 20:07:51	◣	superjamppa (~superjamp@dyn70-399.yok.fi) ha salido (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2022-07-08 20:08:06	MrElendig	the flat and shallow ones
2022-07-08 20:08:09	Repentinus	Has enough current to trigger a heart arrhythmia when grounded through your body.
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2022-07-08 20:10:04	MrElendig	11-14kV was the most typical range
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2022-07-08 20:12:11	gehidore	spiffy
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2022-07-08 20:14:28	andi_	is shred a good option to savely wipe a drive?
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2022-07-08 20:14:51	nortega	andi_: can't use dd?
2022-07-08 20:15:13	MrElendig	andi_: ata secure erase
2022-07-08 20:15:20	MrElendig	(unless the drive is shit)
2022-07-08 20:15:24	andi_	well that's why i ask, shred is also a coretool
2022-07-08 20:15:39	MrElendig	andi_: what drive is this?
2022-07-08 20:15:52	andi_	a ssd samsung evo 860
2022-07-08 20:16:00	MrElendig	use secure erase then
2022-07-08 20:16:02	MrElendig	!next
2022-07-08 20:16:03	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-07-08 20:16:33	MrElendig	pretty sure that is one of the supported oens
2022-07-08 20:16:35	MrElendig	ones*
2022-07-08 20:16:59	andi_	alright thank you very much MrElendig 
2022-07-08 20:17:08	andi_	that was a fast !next ;)
2022-07-08 20:17:16	Repentinus	It is, though technically there's no way to verify what it does. It's supposed to zap the cells, but if you're concerned, you can always wear out your drive with shred too.
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2022-07-08 20:18:52	andi_	well the shred is already running so i'll just let it finish and then i'll do an ata secure erase just to be sure
2022-07-08 20:19:03	MrElendig	andi_: sedutil-cli --scan
2022-07-08 20:19:37	endre	!paste
2022-07-08 20:19:37	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-07-08 20:21:32	phrik	Title: FrequentlyAskedQuestions · Wiki · cryptsetup / cryptsetup · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2022-07-08 20:21:38	Repentinus	Next time use full disk encryption from the start, nuke only the LUKS header with a single random pass of shred, and then ATA secure erase the drive.
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2022-07-08 20:22:46	andi_	nah, i just want to sell the ssd on ebay and swipe the data
2022-07-08 20:23:00	andi_	so probably any of these methods will work. :)
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2022-07-08 20:24:50	MrElendig	I would probably use it myself instead, since its worth about nothing on the used market
2022-07-08 20:24:58	gehidore	agreed
2022-07-08 20:25:27	MrElendig	my diy router is using my ancient 850 drive
2022-07-08 20:25:30	◣	omen (~omen@user/omen) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2022-07-08 20:25:33	MrElendig	er.. 830 even
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2022-07-08 20:26:42	Repentinus	Yeah, but encryption from the start minimizes any shortcomings in your erasure procedures. Properly implemented ATA secure erase on flash and a single pass of random data on modern high-density spinning rust is all you need, but you don't know if ATA secure erase has been properly implemented and spinning rust may have issues with blocks that cannot be overwritten.
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2022-07-08 20:27:26	MrElendig	most opal2 certified devices do implement se correctly
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2022-07-08 20:27:41	andi_	hmm, oh you're right MrElendig probably it's not even selling
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2022-07-08 20:28:47	Repentinus	Unless your disposal strategy includes physical destruction, it is better to utilize your drive with the assumption your erasure procedure is faulty. This way you'll only be in for pleasant surprises.
2022-07-08 20:28:51	MrElendig	you might be able to get 40 quid for a 500gb used 860, but that is kinda a scam
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2022-07-08 20:30:17	MrElendig	3-4 AAA games on it is a better use imo :p
2022-07-08 20:30:26	andi_	Repentinus: so i did good on my new ssd and use luks :D
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2022-07-08 20:30:44	andi_	MrElendig: or one call of duty update
2022-07-08 20:30:48	andi_	:D
2022-07-08 20:30:48	MrElendig	or os/vm drive for your new nas/server
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2022-07-08 20:36:14	imode	on the latest pipewire and wireplumber, the wireplumber process continually chews through 100% CPU when I connect my bluetooth headphones.
2022-07-08 20:36:36	imode	anybody else experiencing this, and if so is it a known issue.
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2022-07-08 20:37:29	Edu4rdSHL	Doesn't happens here
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2022-07-08 20:39:31	imode	it's cycling through each of my cores and pegging them at 100%.
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2022-07-08 20:40:09	mongy	imode: listening over BT now, no issues
2022-07-08 20:40:23	imode	using wireplumber, not the other session manager?
2022-07-08 20:40:30	mongy	ofc
2022-07-08 20:40:38	imode	I can guarantee you it's nothing I've configured, so this is stock config.
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2022-07-08 20:41:59	susi	see systemctl --user status'es if there's anything relevant
2022-07-08 20:43:01	mongy	only thing I do is ..  ["api.alsa.headroom"] = 1024 .. cuz sucky SoC
2022-07-08 20:43:28	imode	https://bpa.st/raw/TXZQ not a whole lot there..?
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2022-07-08 20:58:23	susi	I think there's quite a lot 
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2022-07-08 20:58:23	imode	I'm seeing camera support not existing and no support for BT battery monitoring, and something about RTKit.
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2022-07-08 20:58:23	susi	it's pretty important to get real-time priority/privileges for audio handling
2022-07-08 20:58:23	susi	`systemctl status rtkit-daemon` might reveal some more
2022-07-08 20:58:23	ℹ 	heat es conocido ahora como _Heat
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2022-07-08 20:58:23	imode	not installed.
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2022-07-08 20:58:23	imode	installed, restarted both services.
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2022-07-08 20:58:23	imode	load averages are returning to normal.. why isn't this a dep of pipewire?!
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2022-07-08 20:58:23	mongy	I don't have installed either
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2022-07-08 20:58:23	susi	it can be configured for RLIMIT too
2022-07-08 20:58:23	imode	you don't have rtkit installed, mongy?
2022-07-08 20:58:23	mongy	no
2022-07-08 20:58:23	artefact	rtkit is an optional dep of pipewire, as it should be
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2022-07-08 20:58:23	mongy	imode: could it be just restarting services fixed it?
2022-07-08 20:58:23	imode	could be.. it fixed it previously.
2022-07-08 20:58:23	trimethyl	Hi y'all. I can't seem to enable amdgpu following the guide on the wiki. I believe I have a Southern Islands GPU, have followed up to kernel compilation. Here's the relevant portion of my lspci -k https://pastebin.com/FKun84C4
2022-07-08 20:58:23	@EMIYA_	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oQdo.txt
2022-07-08 20:58:23	phrik	Title: lspci -k - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-07-08 20:58:23	susi	>The RTKit implementation is potentially better because it can implement a global policy and does not require extra permissions from the client. It however needs DBus and is currently not configured optimally in many distributions. It also does not work with flatpaks because it does not know about the namespace of the thread ID's in the sandbox.
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2022-07-08 20:58:23	artefact	you don't need to compile a kernel, trimethyl
2022-07-08 20:58:23	trimethyl	I thought as much, that's why i'm here
2022-07-08 20:58:23	artefact	did you do https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AMDGPU#Enable_Southern_Islands_(SI)_and_Sea_Islands_(CIK)_support ?
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2022-07-08 20:58:23	phrik	Title: AMDGPU - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-08 20:58:23	trimethyl	yes I edited my modprobe and rebooted
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2022-07-08 20:58:23	artefact	trimethyl: amdgpu in MODULES array too?
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2022-07-08 20:58:23	trimethyl	it was empty, added amdgpu - did nothing. now it's (amdgpu radeon) but still no change
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2022-07-08 20:58:23	MrElendig	remove radeon
2022-07-08 20:58:23	susi	imode: if you don't have a specific reason not to have rtkit, I'd recommend it, as is recommended here: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/wikis/Performance-tuning or set it with RLIMIT
2022-07-08 20:58:23	phrik	Title: Performance tuning · Wiki · PipeWire / pipewire · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2022-07-08 20:58:23	artefact	you don't need radeon in there. did you regenerate the initramfs?
2022-07-08 20:58:23	MrElendig	you might also have to include the modprobe hook to get the module option
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2022-07-08 20:58:23	imode	susi: what's funny is that this was working juuuuust fine before a pipewire/wireplumber upgrade. :\
2022-07-08 20:58:23	trimethyl	I ran mkinitcpio without any options
2022-07-08 20:58:23	imode	which is why my nose is pointing me in the "package goof'd" direction.
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2022-07-08 20:58:38	trimethyl	was a little unclear how to regenerate, seemed like it wanted me to run with -p which would revert to the preset
2022-07-08 20:58:47	trimethyl	If my understanding is correct
2022-07-08 20:59:26	MrElendig	if you have no idea, use -P
2022-07-08 20:59:38	MrElendig	without any args it does a dry run
2022-07-08 20:59:44	MrElendig	(as it tells you on the last line)
2022-07-08 20:59:48	another|	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Mkinitcpio#Manual_generation
2022-07-08 20:59:49	phrik	Title: mkinitcpio - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-08 21:00:08	trimethyl	okay will try that thank you!
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2022-07-08 21:05:11	trimethyl	rebooted - still no change
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2022-07-08 21:13:32	wyre	hi guys, not sure if dkms failed when installing nvidia and vboxhost modules https://bpa.st/C7PQ
2022-07-08 21:13:32	phrik	Title: View paste C7PQ (at bpa.st)
2022-07-08 21:13:44	wyre	may I see my DE in the next boot? 😆
2022-07-08 21:14:01	teraflops	wyre: reinstall kernel package
2022-07-08 21:15:14	wyre	 teraflops hmmm, not sure if this reinstalled dkms modules 🤔 https://bpa.st/RIQA
2022-07-08 21:15:14	phrik	Title: View paste RIQA (at bpa.st)
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2022-07-08 21:16:10	teraflops	if you reinstall kernel package it triggers mkinitcpio and of dkms rebuild
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2022-07-08 21:16:57	teraflops	s/of/
2022-07-08 21:17:14	wyre	hmmm, but cannot see those "==> dkms install --no-depmod nvidia/470.129.06 -k 5.18.9-arch1-1" messages in the second paste 
2022-07-08 21:17:42	trimethyl	So mkinitcpio -P did not enable amdgpu, what would my next step be? Guide kinda ends there...
2022-07-08 21:18:42	teraflops	if you're in doubt force a rebuild with `dkms autoinstall`
2022-07-08 21:18:49	teraflops	wyre: ^
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2022-07-08 21:19:57	artefact	trimethyl: $(bsdtar tvf /boot/initramfs-linux.img|grep amdgpu) ?
2022-07-08 21:21:47	trimethyl	artefact: https://pastebin.com/j7G7g45b
2022-07-08 21:21:48	@EMIYA_	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oQdm.txt
2022-07-08 21:21:48	phrik	Title: [~] sudo bsdtar tvf /boot/initramfs-linux.img | grep amdgpu[sudo] password for - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-07-08 21:22:59	artefact	trimethyl: check for radeon/amdgpu stuff in journalctl -kb
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2022-07-08 21:24:56	trimethyl	artefact: both are in there but amdgpu is first?
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2022-07-08 21:26:09	trimethyl	anything specific you want from that output?
2022-07-08 21:26:31	artefact	no, just read the messages and look for clues maybe
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2022-07-08 21:29:00	MrElendig	lsinitcpio is a thing, as a sidenote
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2022-07-08 21:31:48	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1440 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1439 normals)
2022-07-08 21:31:55	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-07-08 21:32:26	trimethyl	radeon seems like the only one actually getting enabled  |  radeon 0000:01:00.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0003)
2022-07-08 21:32:27	MrElendig	ancient hardware?
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2022-07-08 21:35:17	jenkins	just noticed my LC_ALL locale variable is not set, is it normal? what can I do for that?
2022-07-08 21:35:42	MrElendig	that is how it should be
2022-07-08 21:36:01	jenkins	it is set on my other arch systems
2022-07-08 21:36:27	artefact	it overrides all the other settings. you don't really need it
2022-07-08 21:36:46	jenkins	ok
2022-07-08 21:37:13	squid1	MrElendig: if a GT1030 pairred with an RX 6600 XT is a problem, I'll just pull the card
2022-07-08 21:38:25	artefact	two discrete gpus?
2022-07-08 21:38:31	squid1	yeh
2022-07-08 21:38:33	MrElendig	why the two cards?
2022-07-08 21:38:49	artefact	the 1030gt is garbage performance and performance per watt compared to the 6600, toss it
2022-07-08 21:39:02	squid1	Don't have integrated and I was planning on using the GT1030 for passthrough
2022-07-08 21:39:05	MrElendig	fine as a server/passtrough card
2022-07-08 21:39:14	artefact	ok, makes sense
2022-07-08 21:39:19	MrElendig	squid1: don't need prime then
2022-07-08 21:39:38	kavothe	How's wayland's performance on really old systems? Pre 2010 laptops, to be specfic.
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2022-07-08 21:39:50	MrElendig	though 1030 is so slow that virtgl might be faster, though somewhat buggier
2022-07-08 21:40:01	squid1	Gotcha, I'll swap displays to use the 6600 instead
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2022-07-08 21:41:38	toou	why is the initrd generated for the kernel i compiled myself much bigger than the default one ?. `29M     initramfs-linux.img , 97M     initramfs-kh51810.img`
2022-07-08 21:41:55	ℹ 	_Heat es conocido ahora como heat
2022-07-08 21:42:05	MrElendig	toou: forgot the autodetect hook?
2022-07-08 21:42:30	trimethyl	artefact: here's the whole amd part of the output, doesn't seem like there's an error, but unsure what "add cpu node" means or it's relivancy (https://pastebin.com/CZ6iQUHY)
2022-07-08 21:42:30	@EMIYA_	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oQde.txt
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2022-07-08 21:44:05	toou	MrElendig: no, it uses the same conf ALL_config="/etc/mkinitcpio.conf"
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2022-07-08 21:48:20	toou	output of mkinitcpio: http://0x0.st/oQd_.log
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2022-07-08 21:59:24	toou	maybe i might have built some extra the modules into the kenrel
2022-07-08 21:59:55	susi	I should get back to minifying this experimental mkinitcpio.conf: https://0x0.st/ou__.conf and getting rid of udev with a custom "without-udev" hook, but there was some incompatibility I didn't resolve yet. there's lots of extraneous modules yet, and those that will get pulled as deps anyway, but it's that way because I ran into multiple issues along the way and it's unfinished
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2022-07-08 22:07:49	wyre	ty teraflops, btw 😉
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2022-07-08 22:08:12	wyre	I hope you are going well :-)
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2022-07-08 22:09:13	semeion	😉😉😉
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2022-07-08 22:16:11	teraflops	wyre: yeah, yw
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2022-07-08 22:17:46	nicholaus04	Howdy arch folks!
2022-07-08 22:18:05	mefistofeles	!give nicholaus04 welcome
2022-07-08 22:18:06	phrik	nicholaus04: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-07-08 22:18:09	mefistofeles	xD
2022-07-08 22:18:33	artefact	!assss
2022-07-08 22:18:33	phrik	Most problems can be created by installing Arch
2022-07-08 22:18:59	nicholaus04	Really the only goof up i had was, i forgot to set up my locale.conf today after i installed arch few days ago.
2022-07-08 22:19:12	nicholaus04	Other than that, absolutly nothing.
2022-07-08 22:19:17	mefistofeles	nicholaus04: nice
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2022-07-08 22:20:19	artefact	"wait, i changed to en_GB, why does it still say 'supported color encodings'"
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2022-07-08 22:20:34	mefistofeles	should it be colour?
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2022-07-08 22:22:33	nicholaus04	Also, i managed to learn how to swap between windows in vim/nvim.
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2022-07-08 22:26:59	bparker	ugh
2022-07-08 22:27:02	bparker	printers
2022-07-08 22:27:33	bparker	why in the holy !@)(#*&@! does starting avahi-daemon suddenly make printing _magically_ work perfectly, yet I cannot manually add it and make it work AT ALL
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2022-07-08 22:41:54	grawity	manually add it as dnssd:// or manually add it as another type?
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2022-07-08 22:49:08	AbortRetryFail	bparker: because Apple was in charge of Cups for a long time
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2022-07-08 22:49:51	bparker	grawity: ipp
2022-07-08 22:50:16	bparker	whenever I manually added the IP with IPP protocol, looking at tcpdump, it wouldn't even try to contact the server
2022-07-08 22:50:36	bparker	but it would still fail with "can't connect" even though it never tried
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2022-07-08 23:03:42	merethan	Hey all. I found a Mac Pro 3,1 from 2008 at the trash. Not too bad dual Intel Xeon Harpertown (64bit) hardware. Only runs up to Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, which is probably why it was junked. Looks really cool though.
2022-07-08 23:04:15	merethan	Wikipedia says it has some EFI64 implementation. How hard is it to make this thing boot Arch?
2022-07-08 23:04:48	merethan	I really have no clue about Macs btw. No idea this is an obvious question or not.
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2022-07-08 23:08:40	merethan	I wonder how different from PC the thing really is, given it is basically a set of Xeon server chips.
2022-07-08 23:08:58	merethan	Takes SAS drives too.
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2022-07-08 23:35:20	grawity	probably the same as all other Intel Macs really
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2022-07-08 23:38:21	grawity	but even a xeon from 2008 is still a cpu from 2008 really
2022-07-08 23:38:27	grawity	I don't see much point in linuxing it
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2022-07-08 23:41:59	bparker	wat
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2022-07-08 23:42:15	bparker	imagine NOT wanting to linux an old machine
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2022-07-08 23:42:33	grawity	what's the point though?
2022-07-08 23:42:47	bparker	what kind of question is that
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2022-07-08 23:43:39	Repentinus	In many places the cost of electricity suggests you should get a new Ryzen CPU instead and you'd be better off.
2022-07-08 23:43:41	grawity	like the whole thing that makes a mac cool is running actual macos on it
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2022-07-08 23:44:13	grawity	if all you want is a cool looking server, go to ebay and buy one that uses half the electricy for twice the performance
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2022-07-08 23:58:07	MrElendig	you mean intel
2022-07-08 23:58:25	MrElendig	though, better off waiting for ryzen 7xxx/intel 13th gen at this point
2022-07-09 00:01:05	merethan	That's probably also why it was junked Repentinus :P 
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2022-07-09 11:33:21	nicholaus04	Howdy arch folks!
2022-07-09 11:38:14	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-09 11:46:43	NetSysFire	!welcomerpg
2022-07-09 11:46:44	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-07-09 11:50:12	AiO	:)
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2022-07-09 11:51:27	AiO	hm.. speaking of fucking up. there "should" be a m68k-upstream (amiga, the platform that won't die) version of arch <3
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2022-07-09 12:28:42	Khorne	no.
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2022-07-09 12:34:29	Martchus	hi, what does the 64 stand for in library dependencies like "libarchive.so=13-64" or "libacl.so=1-64"?
2022-07-09 12:34:32	MrElendig	there are x86_64 amigas too so close enough
2022-07-09 12:34:38	MrElendig	Martchus: 64bit
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2022-07-09 12:35:12	Martchus	MrElendig: Thanks, makes sense.
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2022-07-09 12:39:07	Martchus	That's actually very nice to disambiguate different types of solibs. Maybe these prefixes could be extended, e.g. for libs in android cross compilation packages "android-aarch64" or "android-x64_64" could be put in.
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2022-07-09 12:39:42	MrElendig	Martchus: trivial to do, but arch doesn't support any of those so..
2022-07-09 12:40:55	Martchus	MrElendig: I'm aware it isn't implemented yet. I'm just thinking how one could make use of that. I suppose so far it is simply meant to disambiguate with lib32 packages.
2022-07-09 12:41:19	MrElendig	you just change the string in the PKGBUILD
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2022-07-09 12:43:29	ℹ 	Forza_ es conocido ahora como Forza
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2022-07-09 12:46:43	demonicmaniac1	just use haiku on m68k
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2022-07-09 13:35:12	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-09 13:42:04	ℹ 	ethrl es conocido ahora como Weiland
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2022-07-09 13:51:13	CarloWood	>sudo sensors
2022-07-09 13:51:20	CarloWood	+3.3V:         1.69 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +2.78 V)
2022-07-09 13:51:24	CarloWood	Yeah... no
2022-07-09 13:52:10	CarloWood	This one is also nice...
2022-07-09 13:52:13	CarloWood	temp1:        +16.8°C  (crit = +20.8°C)
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2022-07-09 15:29:11	bud	Foxboron: regarding welcome to OpenSource. I have contributed many lines of codes. This last month f.i. i have gotten 1 MR included in xfce (and have another pending). I did a new plugin for sublime the other day, and maintain several other tools myself that i keep tidy. i have also made many video tutorials. and try to encourage people in getting involved.
2022-07-09 15:29:45	Foxboron	bud: Nice
2022-07-09 15:37:08	aod	if i want to make a server what os do i need?
2022-07-09 15:37:41	bud	yes
2022-07-09 15:38:37	Deadly_Alive	hehe
2022-07-09 15:40:52	aod	ok
2022-07-09 15:53:08	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-07-09 15:54:11	◣	usrlocalbin (~quassel@096-035-006-079.res.spectrum.com) ha salido ()
2022-07-09 15:54:43	MrElendig	arch works
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2022-07-09 15:54:57	bud	arch breaks
2022-07-09 15:55:03	MrElendig	everything breaks
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2022-07-09 15:55:34	MrElendig	like early ubuntu server 20.04 days when they broke the kernel for a lot of people with a patch
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2022-07-09 15:56:09	bud	you can actually have a server without a OS
2022-07-09 15:56:23	MrElendig	I have that
2022-07-09 15:56:30	MrElendig	(not on x86_64 though)
2022-07-09 15:56:45	susi	what does it serve?
2022-07-09 15:56:53	icy_hot	been using arch for about 3 years, never broke on me
2022-07-09 15:57:05	MrElendig	data from a temperature/humidity sensor
2022-07-09 15:57:14	MrElendig	runs on the meme esp32
2022-07-09 15:57:39	MrElendig	sidenote: rust now supports native x86_64 as a target
2022-07-09 15:57:56	MrElendig	x86_64-unknown-none  that is
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2022-07-09 15:59:07	MrElendig	https://doc.rust-lang.org/rustc/platform-support/x86_64-unknown-none.html  so feel free to rewrite the entire linux kernel in rust :)
2022-07-09 15:59:08	phrik	Title: x86_64-unknown-none - The rustc book (at doc.rust-lang.org)
2022-07-09 15:59:37	bud	https://redbean.dev/ <- this server runs on many or no OS
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2022-07-09 15:59:38	phrik	Title: redbean – single-file distributable web server (at redbean.dev)
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2022-07-09 16:02:48	bud	it can be booted directly from BIOS
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2022-07-09 16:07:15	Deadly_Alive	MrElendig: are you one of the Arch developers?
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2022-07-09 16:18:22	Strykar	Deadly_Alive: https://archlinux.org/people/developers/
2022-07-09 16:18:23	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Developers (at archlinux.org)
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2022-07-09 16:19:04	berber	i want keyboard driven mouse movement, just like it is possible in qmk.  but i want it for my laptop.  any suggestions?
2022-07-09 16:20:25	Deadly_Alive	thanks phrik
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2022-07-09 16:31:59	Namarrgon	berber: on x11 you can enable pointerkeys, not sure if there's anything like that in libinput/wayland
2022-07-09 16:32:51	bud	phrik hello
2022-07-09 16:32:51	phrik	hello? http://i.imgur.com/8pwTF.gif
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2022-07-09 16:35:38	berber	Namarrgon: yes, but that's pretty shitty.  the whole clicking is a little weird (first select left/middle/right, then press 5), no acceleration, and i think you must use the numpad and specific buttons.  it's pretty old and rusty and is disabled by default, i think it only exists for legacy reasons or accessibility problems.  i want to use something as my actual mouse, but with the keyboard.
2022-07-09 16:37:30	bud	berber: keynav
2022-07-09 16:37:37	bud	https://github.com/jordansissel/keynav
2022-07-09 16:37:50	bud	https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/keynav/
2022-07-09 16:37:51	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - keynav 0.20180821.0-2 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
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2022-07-09 16:40:12	berber	bud: i know of keynav, but i am not sure that i like it.  i might try it out sometime, but i actually want something like the way it works in qmk.
2022-07-09 16:40:14	BrainDamage	there's also warpd
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2022-07-09 16:40:55	bud	why not just use a mouse?
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2022-07-09 16:41:54	berber	because i want to keep my fingers on the keyboard
2022-07-09 16:42:50	bud	but you want to use the MOUSE pointer
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2022-07-09 16:43:18	BrainDamage	again, try warpd
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2022-07-09 16:43:34	berber	thinkpad trackpoint is actually what i like most.  but i am afraid i am soon going to get a laptop without that.  and since i am not using a trackpoint on my desktop either, i am trying to find a setup that i can use with both laptop and desktop
2022-07-09 16:43:44	berber	BrainDamage: that actually looks quite interesting.  thanks!
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2022-07-09 16:45:21	susi	that's why you need to optimize your workflow to be keyboard-driven, you need a pointer surprisingly rarely, if you make it a goal
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2022-07-09 16:45:52	susi	even browsing web pages with Firefox (type-ahead-find enabled) is pretty decent after some practice
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2022-07-09 16:54:18	bud	https://github.com/jbensmann/xmouseless <- there is also this
2022-07-09 16:54:57	bud	https://github.com/jbensmann/mouseless <- new version (also support wayland)
2022-07-09 16:55:58	berber	susi: more or less you are right, the only thing i really need the mouse for is my webbrowser.  that's where i need to get better at
2022-07-09 16:56:44	bud	https://lydell.github.io/LinkHints/ <- best browser extension for mouseless lyfestyle
2022-07-09 16:56:44	phrik	Title: Link Hints (at lydell.github.io)
2022-07-09 16:57:50	bud	maintainer is Swedish (not norwegian) so you know its good.
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2022-07-09 17:01:29	berber	thanks, that actually also looks very good!  i don't know why i couldn't find these.  thanks alot!
2022-07-09 17:02:27	Deadly_Alive	susi: what tile manager are you using?
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2022-07-09 17:04:04	susi	Deadly_Alive: i3-wm
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2022-07-09 17:07:26	Deadly_Alive	i tried that one for a short while
2022-07-09 17:07:39	Deadly_Alive	but i prefer using the mouse
2022-07-09 17:10:55	Deadly_Alive	yep :)
2022-07-09 17:11:12	Deadly_Alive	systemctl enable --now sddm
2022-07-09 17:11:20	Deadly_Alive	thats the magical command
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2022-07-09 17:15:08	Deadly_Alive	now im part of the 1337 linux gang
2022-07-09 17:15:42	susi	now there's a very lot of further reading ahead for you :>
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2022-07-09 17:17:21	Deadly_Alive	yep been doing heaps of that over the past 2 weeks
2022-07-09 17:17:47	Deadly_Alive	trying various distros and learning the command line 
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2022-07-09 17:19:35	davve	ABthere we go. finally got network and bootup working finally
2022-07-09 17:19:46	davve	debugging was annoying since it took 90 seconds each time for it to time out
2022-07-09 17:20:02	davve	issue was with netctl and not having a configuration for networkd
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2022-07-09 17:27:07	phrik	Title: SDDM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-09 17:27:46	Deadly_Alive	yes the arch wiki is very good, even if you're using other distros
2022-07-09 17:28:12	Deadly_Alive	a lot of people must of worked on that wiki
2022-07-09 17:28:18	Deadly_Alive	very indepth
2022-07-09 17:28:49	Vesryn	How would I go about making my own repo? Usecase would be a few packages in official repo that I apply some patches to and some packages in aur.
2022-07-09 17:28:51	Vesryn	Currently, I just asp update and git pull --rebase before making and installing packages, use an aur helper for non customized aur stuff and manage myself some custom packages.
2022-07-09 17:29:16	◣	jpw (~jpw@user/jpw) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2022-07-09 17:29:26	susi	Gentoo has pretty decent documentation
2022-07-09 17:29:34	Vesryn	I know about the basic of making a repo, but would like some helpers to automate some annoying parts, like asp update, applying my changes to PKGBUILD.
2022-07-09 17:30:31	Warepire	Vesryn: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Custom_local_repository
2022-07-09 17:30:32	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-09 17:32:10	Vesryn	Warepire: As I said above, the repo part isn't exactly my problem. My problem is more with knowing what tools I can use to automate as much as possible, my usecase of applying patches to packages in official repo and maybe as a bonus some AUR stuff.
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2022-07-09 17:33:15	Warepire	Sorry, I must have misread your question
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2022-07-09 17:34:12	Vesryn	Well I added that clarifying part a bit after my initial message. I didn't explain myself well enough.
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2022-07-09 17:40:26	Deadly_Alive	h4rd3n3d and sudi: what terminal emulator apps are you guys using?
2022-07-09 17:40:51	Deadly_Alive	i installed alacritty cause i heard it's supposed to be the fastest one cause of GPU processing
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2022-07-09 17:44:55	graves	I tried out alacritty and kitty, I stuck with kitty since performance-wise it just as good AFAIK. also kitty supports font ligatures
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2022-07-09 17:45:44	Deadly_Alive	yep thats another one i heard great things about
2022-07-09 17:45:56	Deadly_Alive	it also GPU
2022-07-09 17:45:59	Deadly_Alive	uses*
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2022-07-09 17:46:56	demonicmaniac1	!tias
2022-07-09 17:46:56	phrik	Try It And See™
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2022-07-09 17:48:33	Deadly_Alive	thanks for the tip, had no idea that tab autocomplete works in IRC
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2022-07-09 17:49:23	Deadly_Alive	h4rd3n3d: but how do you input the commands into bash?
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2022-07-09 17:51:32	bud	Vesryn: you can apply patches and stuff in the prepare() function of the PKGBUILD . Add patches in the same directory as PKGBUILD and include them in sources=() https://0x0.st/oQhb.txt
2022-07-09 17:52:40	bud	sources=(FILE1 FILE2) -> md5sums=(HASH_FOR_FILE1 HASH_FOR_FILE2)
2022-07-09 17:52:51	phrik	Title: Bash - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-09 17:53:09	Vesryn	bud: I know how to patch, as I said I do it manually for the packages I care. What I want is a way to make that less annoying by making my own repo.
2022-07-09 17:53:16	another|	h4rd3n3d: bash is a shell. this discussion was about terminal emulators
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2022-07-09 17:53:57	bud	Vesryn: ...
2022-07-09 17:54:15	bud	bash works great in terminal emulators
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2022-07-09 17:55:25	lambda	the wiki looks horrible now (half the page is horizontal whitespace), how do I change it back? "responsive mode" in account settings doesn't seem to make a difference.
2022-07-09 17:55:59	MrElendig	lambda: press the hamburgermenu to make it slightly less empty
2022-07-09 17:56:14	lambda	oh, when you switch to the "vector legacy" theme, an *additional* checkbox appears to "use legacy vector", that's lovely
2022-07-09 17:58:50	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-07-09 17:58:50	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-07-09 17:58:50	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1425 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1424 normals)
2022-07-09 17:58:57	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-09 18:00:09	misantroop	for Wiki, would there be a point in creating a page with drives that support TCG Opal 2.0 or would it get flagged as offtopic?
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2022-07-09 18:01:02	MrElendig	like a list of drives?
2022-07-09 18:01:13	misantroop	yeah
2022-07-09 18:01:17	MrElendig	imo not that useful since no one will keep it up to date
2022-07-09 18:01:46	another|	are people actually using OPAL?
2022-07-09 18:02:10	MrElendig	yes
2022-07-09 18:02:15	misantroop	people could update as drives get tested, right now it's mostly buying blind, just got this WD Black and not supporter while my old cheap evo 850 supports it
2022-07-09 18:02:20	grawity	looked into it, the complexity kind of scared me away
2022-07-09 18:02:31	misantroop	what's wrong with OPAL? no performance penalty
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2022-07-09 18:02:36	MrElendig	misantroop: for 850 it needs a recentish firmware
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2022-07-09 18:02:56	misantroop	my 850 has been opal since 2016
2022-07-09 18:02:59	grawity	misantroop: some popular SSD models were found out to fuck up the actual 'encryption' part in the past
2022-07-09 18:03:22	grawity	so just kind of general mistrust in whether each specific vendor/model/fw gets it right
2022-07-09 18:04:10	misantroop	what is everyone using to min. performance penalty?
2022-07-09 18:04:12	grawity	that was when MS stopped using OPAL for BitLocker as well, in favor of cpu encryption
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2022-07-09 18:04:24	grawity	there's really not much performance penalty if your cpu has aes acceleration
2022-07-09 18:04:55	MrElendig	in benchmarks there is a noticable slowdown, in most real world applications there is basically 0
2022-07-09 18:05:06	MrElendig	(except for some db loads)
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2022-07-09 18:05:30	MrElendig	h4rd3n3d: top left
2022-07-09 18:05:50	grawity	well, nowadays if your SSD can do several GB/s and you want to make full use of that, then it's a different situation
2022-07-09 18:05:57	MrElendig	includes "Switch to old look" link!
2022-07-09 18:06:35	MrElendig	grawity: the newly announced drives that can max out 4x pcie gen5 lanes are going to be fun
2022-07-09 18:06:44	grawity	oh this reminds me, apparently some SSDs now do inline encryption without any of the OPAL complexity, the OS just submits write requests with a key ID or something
2022-07-09 18:06:58	MrElendig	grawity: also: may require active cooling to be able to sustain it :p
2022-07-09 18:06:59	grawity	like how it works in new macbooks, iirc
2022-07-09 18:07:25	another|	phoronix had a luks performance comparison recently
2022-07-09 18:07:26	MrElendig	we have come full circle. I remember the hdd coolers in the early 2000's
2022-07-09 18:07:50	MrElendig	only difference is that this time around they will actually help
2022-07-09 18:09:18	demonicmaniac1	cpu encryption even using aes and friends still kills your battery vs self encrypting drives
2022-07-09 18:09:21	misantroop	had only good experiences with Opal here, old Thinkpad Toshiba drive also supports it
2022-07-09 18:09:41	misantroop	yeah, AES-NI runs off CPU, it's just shifting the penalty
2022-07-09 18:09:42	demonicmaniac1	not to mention it also does eat at the cpu if you do actual cpu loads on top of massive io
2022-07-09 18:10:01	grawity	but do you
2022-07-09 18:10:26	misantroop	so very surprised when buying a new fast NVME drive and it doesn't
2022-07-09 18:10:32	grawity	"it's bad in [extreme ends that the users in question will never reach] therefore it's bad in all cases"
2022-07-09 18:11:43	grawity	I mean I'm not against self-encrypting disks, I just don't want to deal with the complexity of opal, inline encryption (that fscrypt now supports transparently) looks more interesting
2022-07-09 18:11:55	artefact	on my cpu aesni tops out at 3 GB/s. not enough for fast nvmes anymore
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2022-07-09 18:14:53	artefact	i'm guessing zen 1 only has one aesni "gate" per ccx, as i get max throughput with two cores
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2022-07-09 18:25:10	Vorpal	[18:07] <MrElendig> only difference is that this time around they will actually help <-- remember the raptor drives? 10k RPM. They had factory heat sinks, at least for some of the years
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2022-07-09 18:25:50	Vorpal	basically a 2.5" drive in a 3.5" heatsink
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2022-07-09 18:26:24	artefact	i remember the raptors. noisy as f*ck
2022-07-09 18:26:25	MrElendig	Vorpal: but wasn't really needed
2022-07-09 18:26:33	artefact	they were all the rage though
2022-07-09 18:26:35	Vorpal	really? I never used one
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2022-07-09 18:26:41	MrElendig	spinning rust can run just fine at 50-60C
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2022-07-09 18:26:53	Vorpal	seems strange that the manufacturer wasted money on a heatsink then
2022-07-09 18:27:02	artefact	marketing
2022-07-09 18:27:03	MrElendig	and most drives never got close to that even in the no airflow cases of the day
2022-07-09 18:27:05	Vorpal	ah
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2022-07-09 18:27:06	artefact	same thing on ram
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2022-07-09 18:27:21	MrElendig	artefact: does make a difference in higher speed ram
2022-07-09 18:27:36	MrElendig	in/on
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2022-07-09 18:28:34	Repentinus	[16:26:41] <MrElendig> spinning rust can run just fine at 50-60C
2022-07-09 18:28:43	Vorpal	only really for DDR5. And yes specific generations of earlier RAM had issues. There was that thing that was supposed to replace DDR that intel tried. Forget the name of it, complete flop. But I think it needed heatsinks too
2022-07-09 18:28:45	MrElendig	and some ram chips are quite sensetive to heat
2022-07-09 18:28:46	Repentinus	Failure rates do go up above 40 °C or so.
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2022-07-09 18:28:58	Vorpal	even fast DDR4 really doesn't need heatsinks
2022-07-09 18:29:02	MrElendig	Repentinus: yea but not that much
2022-07-09 18:29:24	MrElendig	Vorpal: ddr4 doesn't really mean much in that regard
2022-07-09 18:29:51	Vorpal	MrElendig: true, if you talk about GDDR then it is a different matter entirely
2022-07-09 18:30:23	MrElendig	Vorpal: there is a massive difference between ddr4-2330c18 running at 1.0-1.v and ddr4-4000c14 running at 1.8 :p
2022-07-09 18:30:35	MrElendig	1.0-1.2*
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2022-07-09 18:30:48	Vorpal	that is quite a large overvolting
2022-07-09 18:30:50	grawity	speaking of, if you modprobe drivetemp you can see the temperature of your spinning rust under `sensors`
2022-07-09 18:30:52	MrElendig	Vorpal: and some samsung dies gets unstable over 50C
2022-07-09 18:31:00	Vorpal	is that even xmp? Or past xmp?
2022-07-09 18:31:13	MrElendig	past
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2022-07-09 18:31:17	Vorpal	because yes if you go for extreme overclocking things are indeed very different
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2022-07-09 18:31:20	MrElendig	note the c14 :p
2022-07-09 18:31:32	Vorpal	go play with your liquid nitrogen elsewhere :P
2022-07-09 18:31:59	MrElendig	even my 3600c16 do get warmish (with heatsink)
2022-07-09 18:32:02	artefact	grawity: cool trick
2022-07-09 18:32:04	Vorpal	MrElendig: I have no idea about what absolute values for those are common and not
2022-07-09 18:32:24	MrElendig	running 1.45 (1.5 in the xmp profile, but seems to be stable at slightly less)
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2022-07-09 18:33:25	Vorpal	overclocking really doesn't interest me. I have a Ryzen 5600, so yes I apply XMP and have the right thing to get full inififabric whatever. But beyond that I don't care about overclocking. It risks shortening component lifespans
2022-07-09 18:33:51	MrElendig	depends on cooling and how hard you run it
2022-07-09 18:34:03	artefact	it's free performance, up to a point. it's not that interesting on zen2 and later chips though
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2022-07-09 18:34:14	artefact	(same reason i use the -v3 repositories)
2022-07-09 18:34:14	MrElendig	my 3570k ran 4.0GHz overclock stable until this year
2022-07-09 18:34:24	Vorpal	MrElendig: as I understand it there are age effect, voltage effects and temperature effects when it comes to component lifespans
2022-07-09 18:34:31	Vorpal	as well as temperature cycle count and so on
2022-07-09 18:34:34	MrElendig	now it runs stock 3.4 using it as my router, just to reduce power/noise
2022-07-09 18:34:40	Vorpal	so it is quite a nuanced discussion
2022-07-09 18:34:41	MrElendig	still stable at 4.0
2022-07-09 18:35:00	artefact	i think it's grossly overrated, like the write cycles of ssds
2022-07-09 18:35:05	MrElendig	that is a 2012 part
2022-07-09 18:35:06	Vorpal	also I prefer power efficiency
2022-07-09 18:35:12	Vorpal	artefact: yes, I said "nuanced"
2022-07-09 18:35:33	artefact	power efficiency does go down
2022-07-09 18:35:34	MrElendig	at 4GHz it isn't even that power hungry
2022-07-09 18:35:34	Vorpal	also what -v3 repositories?
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2022-07-09 18:35:50	MrElendig	not compared to 8-11th gen intel :p
2022-07-09 18:35:55	Vorpal	does arch have repos optimised for a more modern micro architecture?
2022-07-09 18:36:01	artefact	not officially, no
2022-07-09 18:36:03	Vorpal	ah
2022-07-09 18:36:04	MrElendig	Vorpal: 3rd party 
2022-07-09 18:36:10	artefact	there are unofficial ones
2022-07-09 18:36:10	Vorpal	sticking with official repos
2022-07-09 18:36:11	ℹ 	docmax_ es conocido ahora como docmax
2022-07-09 18:36:19	MrElendig	Vorpal: almalinux are beating us!
2022-07-09 18:36:25	MrElendig	and its a friggin rhel clone!
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2022-07-09 18:36:47	Vorpal	it would be kind of nice to have that for some core packages though. glibc, libstdc++, other language runtimes. Maybe blas/lapack/fft libraries and such
2022-07-09 18:36:56	artefact	my chip isn't even stable at stock frequencies/voltage. not sure if it's because 1st batch zen 1, or because docp is too ambitious for this combination of hardware
2022-07-09 18:37:03	Foxboron	Vorpal: there has been an RFC on this. The issue is having rebuilds for this
2022-07-09 18:37:20	Foxboron	Vorpal: You'll even see -v3 support in the recent devtools package
2022-07-09 18:37:21	Vorpal	MrElendig: everyone beat arch to debug packages too, arch is not bleeding edge when it comes to innovative distro level features
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2022-07-09 18:37:45	Vorpal	Foxboron: rebuilds referring to?
2022-07-09 18:37:46	MrElendig	-v2 or -v3 might happen for arch in the not so far future though
2022-07-09 18:38:05	Repentinus	If you need debug symbols, built it yourself.
2022-07-09 18:38:08	MrElendig	Vorpal: https://git.harting.dev/ALHP/ALHP.GO
2022-07-09 18:38:08	Foxboron	Vorpal: Of course everyone beats you when they have paid developers and Arch has 20 years of legacy couples with only volunteers
2022-07-09 18:38:08	phrik	Title: ALHP/ALHP.GO: Go based buildbot to build official Archlinux repos with x86-64 feature levels, -O3 and LTO - ALHP.GO - GitX (at git.harting.dev)
2022-07-09 18:38:09	Vorpal	I hope not everything changes, that would leave out a lot of older computers
2022-07-09 18:38:12	Repentinus	build*
2022-07-09 18:38:23	Vorpal	Foxboron: indeed
2022-07-09 18:38:24	MrElendig	Vorpal: -v2 wouldn't exclude that many
2022-07-09 18:38:42	Foxboron	Vorpal: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/rfcs/-/blob/master/rfcs/0002-march.rst
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2022-07-09 18:38:33	Foxboron	Vorpal: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/rfcs/-/blob/master/rfcs/0002-march.rst
2022-07-09 18:38:43	Vorpal	MrElendig: I still have a working sandy bridge system.
2022-07-09 18:38:43	phrik	Title: rfcs/0002-march.rst · master · Arch Linux / rfcs · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2022-07-09 18:38:50	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-07-09 18:38:50	Vorpal	not sure if v2 is included with that
2022-07-09 18:38:53	Foxboron	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/rfcs/-/merge_requests/2
2022-07-09 18:38:55	phrik	Title: Provide a x86_64_v3 microarchitecture level port (!2) · Merge requests · Arch Linux / rfcs · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2022-07-09 18:38:58	Foxboron	I recommend just reading the discussion :p
2022-07-09 18:39:10	artefact	it excludes my old atom n270. it's mostly e-waste at that point, though
2022-07-09 18:39:16	Vorpal	hm
2022-07-09 18:39:24	Foxboron	Vorpal: regardless; Arch has better debug package support then most linux distros
2022-07-09 18:39:25	Vorpal	I have a core 2 duo laptop too
2022-07-09 18:39:28	MrElendig	sandy does v2 but not v3
2022-07-09 18:39:32	Foxboron	Especially with the new stuff I have been doing for pacman
2022-07-09 18:39:43	Vorpal	yes
2022-07-09 18:39:47	Vorpal	it is improving a lot
2022-07-09 18:39:50	kevku	was v3 the the old haswell?
2022-07-09 18:39:52	artefact	i think multi repos or using hwcaps is the least painful option. it can't be that intensive if alhp can do it as a mostly one-man project
2022-07-09 18:40:03	MrElendig	v3 excludes almost all atoms which would be a bigger issue
2022-07-09 18:40:08	Vorpal	I use debian/raspbian and arch. Debian has much better debug package coverage though
2022-07-09 18:40:15	artefact	v3 also excludes celerons i think, no avx at all there
2022-07-09 18:40:20	Foxboron	artefact: They don't have the same restrictions, it's easier for them to do some implementation of this
2022-07-09 18:40:31	MrElendig	artefact: celly is 50/50
2022-07-09 18:40:33	Vorpal	also I don't think every package needs to be -v3
2022-07-09 18:40:40	dav1d	Is there a way to have a iptables rule only allow traffic on a local network (basically the network which is bound to e.g. en0)? I want to make this more generic for my home network `-A INPUT -p tcp -j ACCEPT -s 192.168.33.0/24 -d 192.168.33.0/24`
2022-07-09 18:40:45	Vorpal	I don't care if my text editor runs 1% faster
2022-07-09 18:41:04	artefact	Foxboron: as a proof of concept, it shows it *can* be done without a massive budget
2022-07-09 18:41:05	Vorpal	only really needed for performance critical packages
2022-07-09 18:41:11	artefact	(unless you use emacs)
2022-07-09 18:41:11	MrElendig	dav1d: sure
2022-07-09 18:41:19	MrElendig	dav1d: consider moving to nftables though
2022-07-09 18:41:21	Vorpal	hah
2022-07-09 18:41:38	Foxboron	artefact: Not really true, actually. They actively exclude some projects because it's too resource intensive I believe
2022-07-09 18:41:43	Foxboron	some packages*
2022-07-09 18:42:08	MrElendig	dav1d: also; don't forget about v6
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2022-07-09 18:42:19	dav1d	MrElendig, ah right I should do that! Do you have a hint for me on what I need for that rule?
2022-07-09 18:42:37	Vorpal	Foxboron: and that's what I'm saying. Just do it for some core packages and performance critical stuff. Text editor performance? Doesn't matter. Blender or firefox? Yes please
2022-07-09 18:42:44	dav1d	MrElendig, regarding ipv6, that would be /64 of the bound ip? 
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2022-07-09 18:42:54	artefact	depends on your network topology
2022-07-09 18:43:02	Foxboron	Vorpal: It's not simply "just do it".....
2022-07-09 18:43:21	artefact	alhp isn't just about -v3 though. it also enables -O3 and -flto, and these are a lot more opinionated
2022-07-09 18:43:25	Vorpal	Foxboron: well obviously not. But I meant that as in "only do it for" but "just do it, it will be easy"
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2022-07-09 18:43:26	MrElendig	Foxboron: unless you have boatloads of money :p
2022-07-09 18:43:30	demonicmaniac1	i still say function multiversioning is the much better option
2022-07-09 18:43:39	Foxboron	Vorpal: Right, that makes sense.
2022-07-09 18:44:11	Foxboron	artefact: Sure, it can push a bit forward as well, which is nice
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2022-07-09 18:44:38	Vorpal	Foxboron: with limited resources you have to think about where you would get most bang for the buck
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2022-07-09 18:44:54	Foxboron	I'm going to POC up some rebuilding here; https://buildbot.pkgbuild.com/#/
2022-07-09 18:44:55	phrik	Title: Buildbot (at buildbot.pkgbuild.com)
2022-07-09 18:45:10	Foxboron	regardless this would require some infra for signing things which is missing
2022-07-09 18:45:26	artefact	maybe with reproducible builds we can crowdsource processing time off the community
2022-07-09 18:45:58	◣	Impulsif (impulsif@impulsif.us2.ircnow.org) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-07-09 18:45:58	Foxboron	artefact: Clever
2022-07-09 18:46:26	demonicmaniac1	Vorpal: still a silly argument expecting firefox to magically be faster with v3 over v2 or even v1
2022-07-09 18:46:47	demonicmaniac1	you always test whether it actually makes any difference
2022-07-09 18:46:47	artefact	on average, you are leaving *some* performance on the table
2022-07-09 18:47:02	Vorpal	demonicmaniac1: indeed.
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2022-07-09 18:47:19	Vorpal	demonicmaniac1: I'd love to see what difference it makes if you rebuild glibc and libstdc++ say
2022-07-09 18:47:21	demonicmaniac1	artefact: then you could argue we need -march= for every processor ever because generic isas/vX leave much more performance on the table
2022-07-09 18:47:47	Vorpal	and you need to do a wide to test to see what tasks are affected
2022-07-09 18:48:56	demonicmaniac1	Vorpal: glibc already has feature testing and dynamic dispatch for a long time
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2022-07-09 18:49:29	artefact	demonicmaniac1: ideally yes, but that's not a reasonable use of resources. you also hit diminishing returns compared to -vX
2022-07-09 18:49:47	Vorpal	demonicmaniac1: hm, does it do that automatically for everything, or is it just for special functions (memcpy, memset, strlen, ...)
2022-07-09 18:50:00	MrElendig	demonicmaniac1: simply build with -march=native and close every bug rapport with "works on my machine"
2022-07-09 18:50:06	demonicmaniac1	MrElendig: :)
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2022-07-09 18:50:27	artefact	or -march=generic -mtune=native, "benchmarks look OK on my machine"
2022-07-09 18:50:34	Foxboron	"Can't reproduce"
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2022-07-09 18:51:07	Repentinus	You know there's a distro for people who want to have -march=native binaries? It's not Arch though.
2022-07-09 18:51:16	⚡ 	Foxboron shoos away Repentinus 
2022-07-09 18:51:21	Foxboron	We don't speak of such things
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2022-07-09 18:51:38	Vorpal	Foxboron: yocto?
2022-07-09 18:51:53	Repentinus	!gentoo
2022-07-09 18:51:54	phrik	Watching text scroll by for hours on end is fun for the whole family!
2022-07-09 18:52:46	demonicmaniac1	Vorpal: not for 'everything' obviously but for libc function calls there are optimized hwcaps functions
2022-07-09 18:52:58	Vorpal	we used yocto to build embedded linux at my previous work. Given the anemic target hardware in the rugged IP classes modules, I'm pretty sure the -march etc was used to squeeze the last drop out of it
2022-07-09 18:53:18	artefact	-march=toaster
2022-07-09 18:53:30	Vorpal	actually AMD Geode iirc
2022-07-09 18:53:35	Vorpal	or something like that
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2022-07-09 18:53:50	Vorpal	some embedded industrial AMD chip no one has ever heard of
2022-07-09 18:53:57	jkc	Same thing.
2022-07-09 18:54:01	Repentinus	Yeah, if you are building for a known embedded system, -march=native makes sense.
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2022-07-09 18:54:09	MrElendig	Vorpal: at least it wasn't via
2022-07-09 18:54:18	MrElendig	geode was not quite that bad
2022-07-09 18:54:30	Vorpal	IP69K, plus vibration resistance etc. Fully potted modules also
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2022-07-09 18:55:24	Vorpal	all all the connectors (including USB etc) used water tight screw on connectors
2022-07-09 18:55:29	Vorpal	also all
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2022-07-09 18:58:43	demonicmaniac1	Vorpal: /usr/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 --help shows you which are supported and searched
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2022-07-09 19:00:19	Vorpal	ah, but it doesn't seem like any of those directories actually exist?
2022-07-09 19:00:26	Vorpal	or I'm looking in the wrong place
2022-07-09 19:01:25	Vorpal	so that doesn't help if it doesn't find anything
2022-07-09 19:01:55	Vorpal	"pacman -Ql glibc | grep .so" doesn't show any hwcaps stuff either
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2022-07-09 19:21:43	BoBeR182_	I tried asking earlier, I want to set up LDAP but not use it for user authentication, just for SSO/one password on many webapps
2022-07-09 19:21:53	BoBeR182_	would the wiki up to server install suffice?
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2022-07-09 19:24:56	grawity	depends on which article you're talking about?
2022-07-09 19:25:12	BoBeR182_	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/OpenLDAP#The_server
2022-07-09 19:25:13	phrik	Title: OpenLDAP - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-09 19:25:38	grawity	the page about OpenLDAP doesn't really talk about user authentication at all, it's entirely about setting up the DB server
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2022-07-09 19:26:05	grawity	you're going to use an LDAP client in the sense that you'll be *adding entries* and stuff, but it has nothing to do with user auth
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2022-07-09 19:26:53	grawity	so mostly just follow all of it
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2022-07-09 19:28:49	BoBeR182_	after it gets the the client part
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2022-07-09 19:29:24	BoBeR182_	but I don't think I need any of that
2022-07-09 19:29:29	grawity	yes you do
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2022-07-09 19:29:47	grawity	how are you going to edit stuff in the LDAP database? by using an LDAP client
2022-07-09 19:29:54	BoBeR182_	won't nextcloud / ampache / jellyfin just do that part after I set a host
2022-07-09 19:30:36	grawity	none of those will magically make user accounts appear in the DB
2022-07-09 19:30:51	grawity	nor will they import the schema, or configure the TLS cert parameters
2022-07-09 19:30:55	BoBeR182_	Maybe my better question is, LDAP is in charge of users and what groups they have access too, and I set the user to be in the jellyfin group and say nextcloud group, they should be able to login with the username and same password
2022-07-09 19:30:58	BoBeR182_	ah
2022-07-09 19:30:59	BoBeR182_	okay
2022-07-09 19:31:03	BoBeR182_	I see now
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2022-07-09 19:31:13	BoBeR182_	I need to still add or use a script to migrate existing users
2022-07-09 19:31:17	grawity	yes
2022-07-09 19:31:28	grawity	you do all of that by hand, using `ldapadd`/`ldapmodify` (which is the "client" that the article is talking about)
2022-07-09 19:31:32	BoBeR182_	I'm used to limited windows experience of LDAP
2022-07-09 19:31:36	grawity	or using Apache Directory Studio, or aur/lbe, etc
2022-07-09 19:32:12	BoBeR182_	Apache Directory Studio looks similar to Users and Computers in windows
2022-07-09 19:32:13	grawity	really it's not *that* different from AD, we import all students into AD via python-ldap
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2022-07-09 19:32:43	grawity	DirStudio is slightly more 'raw', so it's more like adsiedit
2022-07-09 19:32:58	grawity	but the entries aren't that complicated, especially if all you need is webapp accounts
2022-07-09 19:33:07	BoBeR182_	yes webapp accounts
2022-07-09 19:33:18	BoBeR182_	that will allow me to set up one password user combo
2022-07-09 19:33:21	BoBeR182_	on all services?
2022-07-09 19:33:24	grawity	yes
2022-07-09 19:33:31	BoBeR182_	what would be my next step to do SSO
2022-07-09 19:33:32	grawity	I think phpLDAPadmin has "templates" for easy user creation, but I couldn't really get it to work, so I just create entries manually
2022-07-09 19:33:34	BoBeR182_	keycloak?
2022-07-09 19:33:57	grawity	dunno, I guess? it seems to be the fancy thing nowadays
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2022-07-09 19:34:28	grawity	especially if some of your webapps want OAuth2
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2022-07-09 19:34:40	BoBeR182_	I want to stay on the FOSS side
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2022-07-09 19:34:44	BoBeR182_	and have simplicity
2022-07-09 19:34:49	◥	Vorpal (~Vorpal@user/Vorpal) has joined #archlinux
2022-07-09 19:34:52	BoBeR182_	no need for crazy large interconnected deployments
2022-07-09 19:35:07	grawity	sorry, that already went out of the way as soon as you decided you want SSO
2022-07-09 19:35:07	BoBeR182_	but as I have started to spin up more services it's nice to have one account for them all
2022-07-09 19:35:22	Vorpal	my bluetooth mouse doesn't seem to work until I log in after a reboot. Not sure what is going on there. Any suggestions?
2022-07-09 19:35:23	BoBeR182_	and i think LDAP is a good stepping stone
2022-07-09 19:35:32	BoBeR182_	before I remotely tackle SSO
2022-07-09 19:36:00	BoBeR182_	Vorpal: journalctl say anything? or lsusb
2022-07-09 19:36:16	grawity	depends on what you really mean by SSO, though
2022-07-09 19:36:34	BoBeR182_	login once and be authenticated on everything you should be
2022-07-09 19:36:44	BoBeR182_	no need to do user + pass + 2fa for each service
2022-07-09 19:36:48	grawity	yeah that's usually the complex part
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2022-07-09 19:36:57	Vorpal	I mean, there are things about bluetooth starting up and such there
2022-07-09 19:37:03	grawity	you'll probably end up with apps doing different things
2022-07-09 19:37:08	Vorpal	but I don't see anything obviously related to this
2022-07-09 19:37:33	grawity	some can auth you against e.g. keycloak using OAuth2/OIDC, some want to speak SAML instead, and some speak neither
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2022-07-09 19:47:22	MrElendig	BoBeR182: are these "everything" webapps and the like?
2022-07-09 19:47:42	MrElendig	or does it include ssh/machines/stuff?
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2022-07-09 19:48:38	BoBeR182	no SSH no machines
2022-07-09 19:48:41	BoBeR182	no local login
2022-07-09 19:48:55	BoBeR182	i'm not ready for that, and it's basically a single user system for stuff like that
2022-07-09 19:49:18	MrElendig	if its just webapps, take a peek at authelia
2022-07-09 19:49:40	BoBeR182	FOSS?
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2022-07-09 19:49:48	MrElendig	yes
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2022-07-09 19:50:04	BoBeR182	next on my roadmap
2022-07-09 19:50:06	BoBeR182	today is for LDAP
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2022-07-09 19:51:19	grawity	the IdP part of authelia seems interesting, the "reverse proxy" part eeeh
2022-07-09 19:51:23	grawity	dunno
2022-07-09 19:52:02	BoBeR182	seeing as everything is already apache > webapp
2022-07-09 19:52:09	BoBeR182	this will be in pipe
2022-07-09 19:52:15	BoBeR182	oh, I need gitea too
2022-07-09 19:52:23	BoBeR182	does that mean i'll need SSH 
2022-07-09 19:52:50	MrElendig	you can use git over https (but ssh is useful)
2022-07-09 19:53:37	grawity	most git-over-ssh setups don't care about system accounts
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2022-07-09 19:54:33	BoBeR182	I mean when you asked me if it includes SSH
2022-07-09 19:54:46	BoBeR182	does gitea's ssh fall under webapp or true ssh
2022-07-09 19:54:52	BoBeR182	for authelia
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2022-07-09 19:55:31	sunyibo	I have a 4K monitor attached via HDMI and a HD monitor attached via DVI to a desktop. After boot, the 4K always displays only the left half of the screen. After many incantations (turn displays off and on, etc.) I usually get the full screen area. Is there a reliable way to do this? Gnome on Arch
2022-07-09 19:56:04	MrElendig	sunyibo: check the display settings while it is broken 
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2022-07-09 19:56:17	MrElendig	also, x11 or wayland?
2022-07-09 19:56:22	sunyibo	wayland
2022-07-09 19:56:39	sunyibo	the gnome settings are not informative
2022-07-09 19:57:02	MrElendig	should show if the display is overlapping, mirrored or whatever
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2022-07-09 19:57:38	misantroop	it doesn't normally play nice with resolution differences on screens
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2022-07-09 19:58:44	MrElendig	misantroop: I haven't had any issues with that since 3.38
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2022-07-09 19:59:34	teraflops	it looks like gnome-randr is a thing
2022-07-09 20:01:09	Furai	Uh, I can't figure out what's wrong with printing from my machine. I'm just too dumb. I have a canon mf645c printer. Whenever I try to print - it just hangs forever to fail after some timeout. Printer gets the message and displays printing error when it timeouts. But it looks like no actual page was even sent to it. It works without issues with phones, ubuntu installation and so on but from
2022-07-09 20:01:11	Furai	arhclinux I can't figure out what's wrong. I've tried troubleshooting and enabled debug mode in cups...I'm just not even sure what I'm looking at. Kind of drives me nuts cause to print I have to start up my other computer.
2022-07-09 20:01:50	MrElendig	BoBeR182: if you only wanted webapps you could use authelia "standalone" with its own user db, but if you want ssh and system accounts etc too then of course ldap makes more sense
2022-07-09 20:02:04	MrElendig	unless you go the other way around and add openid to pam
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2022-07-09 20:06:13	BoBeR182	MrElendig: i know LDAP is very very popular
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2022-07-09 20:06:21	BoBeR182	and I might tie my XMPP and Email later
2022-07-09 20:06:28	BoBeR182	so I think LDAP will be the backend
2022-07-09 20:06:41	BoBeR182	and use Authelia for SSO with it tied to LDAP too
2022-07-09 20:07:33	MrElendig	BoBeR182: using it as middleware is nice for all those random web services that have no/horrible auth
2022-07-09 20:07:50	MrElendig	BoBeR182: like your IoT toaster
2022-07-09 20:08:21	BoBeR182	hah, no IoT for me
2022-07-09 20:08:21	grawity	we mostly use saml2 and mod_shib for those
2022-07-09 20:08:35	BoBeR182	the smartest thing I own is a printer and a shotgun on standby if it goes sentient
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2022-07-09 20:09:11	BoBeR182	would it allow ldap > middleware > broken iot authentication
2022-07-09 20:09:11	BoBeR182	cause that's really really cool
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2022-07-09 20:13:36	MrElendig	BoBeR182: https://bpa.st/DFYQ
2022-07-09 20:13:37	phrik	Title: View paste DFYQ (at bpa.st)
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2022-07-09 20:16:07	MrElendig	BoBeR182: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec
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2022-07-09 20:17:45	BoBeR182	very nice
2022-07-09 20:17:53	BoBeR182	I am working on redoing my vlans soon
2022-07-09 20:18:01	BoBeR182	move all "user" machines to own one
2022-07-09 20:18:04	BoBeR182	let that be the wild west
2022-07-09 20:18:18	BoBeR182	and server + critical stuff on the other
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2022-07-10 09:26:20	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-07-10 09:26:20	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1405 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1404 normals)
2022-07-10 09:11:20	gehidore	ohh come on... this is still a breakage? error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
2022-07-10 09:11:22	gehidore	qemu-common: /etc/qemu/bridge.conf exists in filesystem
2022-07-10 09:14:49	charlie5	$ sudo mv /etc/qemu/bridge.conf /etc/qemu/bridge.conf-old
2022-07-10 09:14:51	charlie5	?
2022-07-10 09:14:57	gehidore	-_-
2022-07-10 09:15:23	⚡ 	charlie5 is *no* expert :/
2022-07-10 09:15:55	gehidore	you're right, that's the right thing to do
2022-07-10 09:16:08	gehidore	but it shouldn't be trying to overwrite that file to begin with, honestly
2022-07-10 09:16:13	gehidore	which is what I said ~2 months ago
2022-07-10 09:17:29	⚡ 	charlie5 is not familiar with /etc/qemu/bridge.conf
2022-07-10 09:17:31	gehidore	so I'm bitching is all :)
2022-07-10 09:17:39	charlie5	:)
2022-07-10 09:17:56	Warepire	Did anyone with the ability to fix it get notified 2 months ago?
2022-07-10 09:18:45	gehidore	there was discussion, obviously I failed as I didn't make it to the point of bug reporting beliving the discussion had been successful
2022-07-10 09:19:26	gehidore	good news is it's trivial to adjust to the sane defaults that are contained in it
2022-07-10 09:23:17	gehidore	change all the shiz from what used to be the suggested schema of qbr0 to virbr0, life goes for a little while
2022-07-10 09:26:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-10 09:28:23	gehidore	also related from the bug reports that were filed... https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=276257
2022-07-10 09:28:24	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] qemu-common: /etc/qemu/bridge.conf exists in filesystem / Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-10 12:12:57	post-factum	if anyone uses pf-kernel here, please make sure to use https://codeberg.org/pf-kernel/linux as the only source code repo as the old ones on GitLab and GitHub will be removed soon. thx
2022-07-10 12:12:58	phrik	Title: pf-kernel/linux: A desktop-oriented Linux kernel fork. - linux - Codeberg.org (at codeberg.org)
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2022-07-10 13:12:14	e-i-k-e	has anyone tried to wake a laptop from suspend and send it to hybrid sleep? I don't want to hybrid sleep as default and rather only use it as soon as the battery e.g. reaches 10%
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2022-07-10 13:38:44	mel_	Can I setup my machine so that I can be able to connect to it with SSH from anywhere? Right now I can only do it when I am on the same local network.
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2022-07-10 13:41:13	swansen	mel_: yes. they say Tor hidden services are the poor person’s dns
2022-07-10 13:41:18	Repentinus	Does your machine have a public, preferably static IP?
2022-07-10 13:42:53	swansen	https://github.com/antyung88/tor-hidden-ssh
2022-07-10 13:43:12	Repentinus	If it does not have a public IP, your router probably has one (there are some ISPs with carrier-grade NAT deployments – if yours is one of them, you're pretty much out of luck).
2022-07-10 13:43:49	Repentinus	In any case, you need to allow incoming traffic to port 22 in your firewall. If you have a router, it probably runs a firewall.
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2022-07-10 13:44:35	Repentinus	And if only your router has a public IP, you need to forward incoming connections to port 22 to the appropriate machine on the local network.
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2022-07-10 13:44:52	mel_	Repentinus, So if I have a static IP, and then I allow the port 22 on my router, it should just work?
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2022-07-10 13:46:38	Repentinus	Broadly, yes. If only the router has a public IP, then you need to specifically forward port 22 from the router to your machine, but otherwise it should unless you have left out relevant information, like perhaps having a firewall on the machine itself that restricts incoming connections from outside the local network.
2022-07-10 13:47:46	mel_	Great, didn't know it was that simple.
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2022-07-10 13:48:14	skyl4rk	might be advisable to use another port than 22 though
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2022-07-10 13:48:46	Repentinus	Might, though I personally prefer disabling password authentication and trusting crypto.
2022-07-10 13:48:52	bookworm	all that does is avoid some logspam
2022-07-10 13:48:59	bookworm	has 0 security benefits 
2022-07-10 13:49:19	mel_	Best do both I guess
2022-07-10 13:49:29	bookworm	ssh is not a stealthy protocol, you can simply enumerate  all ports until you find it
2022-07-10 13:49:41	Repentinus	Password authentication should always be disabled, yes.
2022-07-10 13:49:48	mel_	Where can I learn about networking? I want to understand this stuff.
2022-07-10 13:49:53	Repentinus	Whether you care about some log spam or not is up to you.
2022-07-10 13:50:07	bookworm	the internet, #networking etc
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2022-07-10 13:50:49	Repentinus	https://tldp.org/LDP/nag2/index.html
2022-07-10 13:50:51	phrik	Title: Linux Network Administrators Guide (at tldp.org)
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2022-07-10 13:52:29	mel_	Thanks
2022-07-10 13:52:30	Repentinus	Also read the man pages of any network services you do set up. They often contain useful information.
2022-07-10 13:52:46	mel_	Such as?
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2022-07-10 13:53:42	MrElendig	note: most things on tldp is horribly outdated and/or wrong
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2022-07-10 13:54:15	Repentinus	It is outdated, yes. It has nothing on IPv6 for instance.
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2022-07-10 13:55:03	Booni	mel ifconfig, ip command, and the manpages of other programs.  If you wish to learn also about domains and DNS you could also setup a free subdomain and setup your own locally hosted httpd with Apache by reading wiki and man pages.
2022-07-10 13:55:34	Booni	that's a good start, then one thing takes you to another and I'm sure you will have quite some time reading and learning
2022-07-10 13:55:45	bookworm	apache is really not the proxy I'd use nowdays
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2022-07-10 13:56:07	bookworm	the config syntax is horrendous, doesn't have cert management built in etc
2022-07-10 13:56:17	bookworm	there are more modern solutions, caddy say
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2022-07-10 13:56:58	Booni	bookworm:  for a starting place just to setup a small quick locally hosted httpd it's very simple and a beginer friendly, I setup one in 15mins last week(altough I'm biased as I work in domains etc)
2022-07-10 13:57:24	bookworm	caddy has automatic TLS and webserver in a one liner, 30s tops ;P
2022-07-10 13:58:00	Booni	Oh I see, Never used it, good to hear xD
2022-07-10 13:58:04	mel_	Booni, great, I'll look into it!
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2022-07-10 13:58:46	Booni	mel_:  well, you can have a look at caddy too as bookworm suggest as it seems it's even easier than apache, altough sometimes complicated is better for learning to be fair
2022-07-10 14:00:10	mel_	I think I'll have to use apache anyway, next year in college, so it sure won't hurt
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2022-07-10 14:04:17	bookworm	nginx is probably more useful in the long run, but whatever floats your boat
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2022-07-10 14:06:37	mel_	I'll be setting up my own website soon, and I'll just nginx for that
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2022-07-10 16:27:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
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2022-07-10 16:06:30	uuidNuniq	bookworm: you sure caddy 30s? 
2022-07-10 16:07:11	uuidNuniq	you need to make it a service, then you need to create a bunch of DIRs and make the permission right.
2022-07-10 16:09:45	bookworm	uuidNuniq: yes? Service comes out of the box in Arch.
2022-07-10 16:10:11	bookworm	and apache won't save you from those things either
2022-07-10 16:10:13	jkc	uuidNuniq: First of all, "dir" isn't an acronym. Second, yeah, you can launch a caddy reverse proxy in a single command.
2022-07-10 16:13:48	uuidNuniq	run once is not what most people want, people want run permanetly 
2022-07-10 16:14:10	bookworm	yes, update caddyfile, restart service and off we go
2022-07-10 16:14:37	bookworm	same as you would for apache, just with a sane config and magic cert handling 
2022-07-10 16:14:58	jkc	uuidNuniq: A minimal reverse proxy config for caddy is two lines. Unless you're doing something bizarre, caddy handles its conf/state directory automatically. Make sure it can bind to 80/443, and certs are automatic.
2022-07-10 16:15:16	jkc	So, yeah, that's about 30 seconds of work.
2022-07-10 16:15:32	bookworm	no one will run it from the cli though
2022-07-10 16:15:43	bookworm	you will be using a systemd service
2022-07-10 16:15:51	bookworm	that was their argument 
2022-07-10 16:16:18	jkc	I'm aware. None of that changes just because its being invoked from a service unit.
2022-07-10 16:19:50	MrElendig	jkc: 3, obligatory Header -Server  :p
2022-07-10 16:23:46	bookworm	doesn't actually work
2022-07-10 16:25:52	DF32	When installing Chromium, Firefox stops being the default browser even tho $BROWSER is set to "firefox". This `xdg-mime default firefox.desktop text/html x-scheme-handler/http x-scheme-handler/https` is the only way to fix it right?
2022-07-10 16:27:17	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-10 16:28:27	bookworm	they are actively hostile against letting people get rid of the header https://caddy.community/t/server-http-header-cant-be-removed-when-part-of-the-basicauth-matcher/13797 and similar issues
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2022-07-10 16:30:28	⚡ 	MrElendig has a server running with -Server and it seem to strip it just fine
2022-07-10 16:30:38	MrElendig	(not using basicauth)
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2022-07-10 16:32:58	bookworm	https://github.com/caddyserver/caddy/issues/3455 too
2022-07-10 16:33:02	bookworm	that's redir
2022-07-10 16:33:39	bookworm	so in essence, they make it hard on purpose for vanity things again... remember the drama with the sponsor header?
2022-07-10 16:33:50	bookworm	caddy is great but some choices are insane
2022-07-10 16:34:04	bookworm	automatic CA injection into the root store for instance
2022-07-10 16:35:26	MrElendig	that one talks about a server header coming from the proxied source if my quick glance is correct? header_down can strip that
2022-07-10 16:36:00	bookworm	sure, but now you need to patch at least 3 places and your Header -Foo isn't actually enough, not even clode
2022-07-10 16:36:10	bookworm	close*
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2022-07-10 16:37:06	bookworm	(need to patch error_handler, global + header_down + automatic 80--> 443 redirect
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2022-07-10 16:37:52	bookworm	)* and now you are playing whack a mole and you need to traverse through like 10 GH issues and forum entries to even find those edge cases
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2022-07-10 16:52:28	docmax_	any idea how to get the busid out of a mountpoint or /dev/sd* device?
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2022-07-10 16:54:22	artefact	docmax_: ls -l /dev/disk/by-path
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2022-07-10 16:56:30	docmax_	yeah cool thx
2022-07-10 16:56:37	susi	I have just by-diskseq, by-id, by-partuuid and by-uuid; who/what creates by-path or by-label and when
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2022-07-10 16:56:52	artefact	udevd
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2022-07-10 16:58:24	susi	weird, I have not edited 60-persistent-storage.rules
2022-07-10 16:58:51	artefact	wiki also mentions $(find /sys/devices -name "sd*")
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2022-07-10 16:59:30	susi	shouldn't this create /by-path for my emmc.. https://0x0.st/o1iZ.txt
2022-07-10 16:59:36	susi	(from 60-persistent-storage.rules)
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2022-07-10 17:01:41	susi	here's udevadm test /sys/block/mmcblk1: https://0x0.st/o1iq.txt
2022-07-10 17:01:59	susi	mmcblk1: /usr/lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules:90 Failed to run builtin 'path_id': No such file or directory
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2022-07-10 17:20:49	susi	re-installed systemd while -Syu'ing, fixed
2022-07-10 17:22:02	susi	though udevadm test still gives the same no such file or dir error for path_id 
2022-07-10 17:23:33	susi	and /by-path/'s are only for my USB media, /dev/sda, not for /dev/mmcblk1
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2022-07-10 17:33:24	susi	so anyone has any ideas how to investigate this further? I know there used to be /by-path/ for my MMC partitions too
2022-07-10 17:34:08	ℹ 	docmax_ es conocido ahora como docmax
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2022-07-10 17:34:36	susi	hmm, actually, this might be correct.. should it only give MMC boot partitions a /by-path/?
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2022-07-10 17:43:30	alad	morganamilo, could you apply/propose this old patch https://github.com/eli-schwartz/pacman/commit/80b118b48b38dd55224d33d54867c533c23b0040
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2022-07-10 17:43:48	alad	I'd do it myself, but then I'd have to spend 30 minutes figuring out how to use git-send-email again
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2022-07-10 17:46:31	queereen	o/ - just got archiso, and... there's this funny thing; my thinkpad before running arch iso - a) doesn't show grub/syslinux; b) plays mario coin sound
2022-07-10 17:46:37	queereen	does anyone know the reason? lol
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2022-07-10 17:46:57	queereen	p.s. - on openbsd it doesn't happen
2022-07-10 17:47:25	alad	what iso did you use specifically
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2022-07-10 17:47:41	alad	as in: the date of the iso
2022-07-10 17:48:40	queereen	2022.07.01 - from mirror.eloteam.tk
2022-07-10 17:49:00	queereen	(Polish mirror)
2022-07-10 17:49:35	alad	the 2022.04.01 had a funny startup noise, but not the one 2022.07.01
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2022-07-10 17:51:25	queereen	the checksum is correct btw, after all launches a 5.18.7 archiso
2022-07-10 17:54:48	queereen	hmm
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2022-07-10 18:23:27	tmr87	Hi, is there a one login for Arch Linux? I want an account for AUR, the bug tracker, and the mailing list.
2022-07-10 18:23:58	alad	no, there is no single sign-on that combines those
2022-07-10 18:24:08	tmr87	Okay, thanks.
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2022-07-10 18:30:20	sudoforge	is there a tool similar to packer that's purpose built for creating ISOs from scratch or extending existing ones with the goal of outputting an ISO that can be installed on bare metal?
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2022-07-10 18:30:48	sudoforge	i currently use a macguyvere'd approach via packer for building my homelab's disk images but want to explore a cleaner / more consistent approach
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2022-07-10 18:32:49	alad	archiso profiles?
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2022-07-10 18:35:30	sudoforge	alad: not really arch specific; my homelab has a few alarm, arch, and flatcar nodes
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2022-07-10 18:38:20	alad	I guess it depends on your definition of "install" - you can make some disk images, and rsync them over e.g. the network
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2022-07-10 18:40:25	sudoforge	alad: ignore the install part. i'm asking if there is a tool for generating ISOs in a declarative way, similar to how `packer` is used to generate VM images and machine images for cloud providers
2022-07-10 18:40:42	sudoforge	this is about the build output, not the post-build steps
2022-07-10 18:41:02	alad	ansible for ISOs? :O
2022-07-10 18:41:22	sudoforge	hmmmm, actually yeah, that's an avenue i can look into
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2022-07-10 18:41:45	alad	https://github.com/ansible-collections/community.general/blob/main/plugins/modules/files/iso_create.py
2022-07-10 18:41:54	alad	🤷‍♂️
2022-07-10 18:42:01	sudoforge	yeah i just pulled that up
2022-07-10 18:42:03	sudoforge	thanks
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2022-07-10 18:56:06	superjamppa	Is there way to download and install all dependencies when building package from AUR ? Instead of manually installing all dependencies. 
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2022-07-10 19:01:00	jonathon	use some sort of helper, i guess. most support that (recommend aurutils)
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2022-07-10 19:01:15	sudoforge	^ +100 to aurutils (thanks alad)
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2022-07-10 19:01:35	alad	sudoforge, I'm just here waiting for someone to report breakage on v10 :O
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2022-07-10 19:01:42	sudoforge	but it's not exactly the same sort of "helper" as pacman wrappers like `paru` or `yay` (which are not recommended)
2022-07-10 19:01:44	superjamppa	Ok, thanks i will look up on that.
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2022-07-10 19:02:01	sudoforge	alad: it runs in my CI to build packages for testing, i'll let you know if something borks
2022-07-10 19:02:08	alad	!:+1:
2022-07-10 19:02:09	phrik	👍
2022-07-10 19:02:23	jonathon	there'a a 10 now? ooo, update time :D
2022-07-10 19:02:45	alad	\o/
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2022-07-10 19:04:17	alad	if you don't use zsh already, the v10 release is a good excuse to try it out
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2022-07-10 19:04:19	sudoforge	oh, my CI system is actually on 7 lolol
2022-07-10 19:04:24	alad	>_<
2022-07-10 19:04:51	sudoforge	it's a vendored dep in my monorepo and it's hooked up to my copbara workflows for auto-updating yet because i don't have extensive testing for it :)
2022-07-10 19:04:57	sudoforge	copybara*
2022-07-10 19:05:03	sudoforge	it's not*
2022-07-10 19:05:06	sudoforge	typing is hard
2022-07-10 19:05:39	alad	sounds reasonable
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2022-07-10 19:05:58	alad	if I wrapped aurutils for a custom workflow, I'd probably vendor it too
2022-07-10 19:06:03	⚡ 	alad is apt at breakign things
2022-07-10 19:06:20	sudoforge	i do this for everything
2022-07-10 19:06:27	sudoforge	my monorepo is ~70GiB
2022-07-10 19:06:37	sudoforge	i have the source code for compilers and shells in here
2022-07-10 19:06:55	alad	:O
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2022-07-10 19:07:06	⚡ 	teraflops uses aurutils-git
2022-07-10 19:07:52	alad	teraflops, livin' on the hemorrhaging edge
2022-07-10 19:08:06	sudoforge	only if teraflops rebuilds it regularly
2022-07-10 19:08:23	teraflops	alad: it's fine
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2022-07-10 19:09:19	sudoforge	alllllright, patch sent to update to 10b1; as long as it rebuilds all of the packages successfully it'll merge
2022-07-10 19:09:32	alad	nice
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2022-07-10 19:12:35	sudoforge	alad: my packages have all built successfully. good job not breaking things :)
2022-07-10 19:13:15	alad	:OOOO
2022-07-10 19:13:31	sudoforge	(yes, i can build ~40 packages in 2.5 minutes because this all runs in a bazel sandbox and is parallelized)
2022-07-10 19:14:37	sudoforge	well, and i'm not building tensorflow :P
2022-07-10 19:15:01	alad	gotta go fast
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2022-07-10 19:15:56	teraflops	I should install aur utils on the pinephone, it is running pikaur right now
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2022-07-10 19:19:27	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
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2022-07-10 19:19:32	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-10 19:23:03	alad	now people even put pacman wrappers on their phones >:(
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2022-07-10 19:25:47	dmc	ono
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2022-07-10 19:27:13	ShalokShalom	How far is kdevelop with the integration of the LSP?
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2022-07-10 19:27:33	ShalokShalom	oh, wrong channel
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2022-07-10 19:36:31	chazy	n00b question: if i log with 2 or more different users using different ttys, can they "see" each other?
2022-07-10 19:36:53	sudoforge	chazy: depends on what you mean by "see", and what the user's permissions are
2022-07-10 19:37:30	chazy	i guess they can see all processes but can't read anything they don't have access to?
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2022-07-10 19:38:06	superjamppa	I have aurutils now. How to build obs-studio-browser and depencies? tried to read documentation, but im too stupid.
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2022-07-10 19:39:10	gehidore	superjamppa using git and makepkg like everyone else, nobody is going to hold your hand
2022-07-10 19:39:23	⚡ 	gehidore squints ... -v- is that a wild alad in the distance?
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2022-07-10 19:41:26	superjamppa	aah ok. 
2022-07-10 19:41:45	superjamppa	well. lets get work then.
2022-07-10 19:44:57	◣	EricG (~EricG@138.199.6.223) ha salido (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
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2022-07-10 19:47:14	teraflops	alad: https://paste.priet.us/20220710_17h43m47s_grim.png \o/
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2022-07-10 19:51:59	alad	:D
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2022-07-10 19:53:53	alad	gehidore, no, definitely not
2022-07-10 19:53:56	⚡ 	alad keeps a low profile
2022-07-10 19:55:44	Furai	Hey, how do you deal with conflicts when pacman reports one?
2022-07-10 19:58:27	jonathon	generally accept the replacement
2022-07-10 19:58:34	jonathon	depends on the specifics though
2022-07-10 19:59:19	jonathon	unless you're talking about a "file exists in filesystem" conflict, which is a different thing to a package conflict
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2022-07-10 20:03:02	◣	fugert (~user@lfbn-idf1-1-1507-13.w90-90.abo.wanadoo.fr) ha salido (Quit: Lost terminal)
2022-07-10 20:03:31	Furai	actually let me paste it, maybe it's because it's AUR package
2022-07-10 20:03:47	Furai	`installing electron (19.0.8-1) breaks dependency 'electron18' required by drawio-desktop`
2022-07-10 20:04:11	Furai	And I have no idea how to resolve it, apparently these electron versions should be able to coexist, right?
2022-07-10 20:05:13	teraflops	Furai: update/rebuild drawio-desktop
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2022-07-10 20:06:24	teraflops	hmm it depends on electron18
2022-07-10 20:07:16	jonathon	electron-18.something likely provided electron18, so if electon is at 19 then there should be an electon18 package now
2022-07-10 20:08:46	Furai	Maybe it's because I'm using yay not pacman directly.
2022-07-10 20:08:48	artefact	maybe you can install electron18, then install electron
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2022-07-10 20:09:21	Furai	Will try that with pacman, with yay it didn't want to allow me to do it. Maybe because I always do -Syu
2022-07-10 20:09:30	Furai	So it tries to update first.
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2022-07-10 20:10:16	Furai	Anyway, thanks guys!
2022-07-10 20:10:23	Furai	I think I'll figure it out.
2022-07-10 20:10:39	Furai	I'm pretty new overall to archlinux and it still gets me at times.
2022-07-10 20:10:51	Furai	I think it will be around 3-4 months now.
2022-07-10 20:11:06	◣	martin02 (~silas@141.84.69.76) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2022-07-10 20:11:17	Furai	Definitely once you go arch - you never go back.
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2022-07-11 17:51:53	lolok	Ingar its working ok for you?
2022-07-11 17:52:16	Ingar	yeah, even played games
2022-07-11 17:52:44	Ingar	let me update to maek sure I'm on the latest versions of all
2022-07-11 17:53:25	Scimmia	xeyler: not that I'm aware of. Also note that's only the console keymap, the X11 keymap is separate
2022-07-11 17:53:27	lolok	uname -r = 5.18.10-arch1-1
2022-07-11 17:56:27	Deadly_Alive	speaking of Virtual Box...
2022-07-11 17:56:51	Deadly_Alive	why does it require so much effort to set up windows shares in arch
2022-07-11 17:57:06	Deadly_Alive	and other distros it works without any configuring?
2022-07-11 17:57:55	Scimmia	because someone does the configuring for you on other distros
2022-07-11 18:02:46	lolok	more adventures later gotta run
2022-07-11 18:03:40	sealsrock12	Deadly_Alive connect to them or host them?
2022-07-11 18:04:39	alloy	heyas, can anyone suggest how I can read/set an accelerometer on a 3in1 laptop?
2022-07-11 18:04:41	Deadly_Alive	connect to them
2022-07-11 18:05:03	alloy	like /dev/someting or pci ACCR etc :)
2022-07-11 18:05:27	Manouchehri	How can I list all the network protocols/tunnels that my kernel supports?
2022-07-11 18:05:45	Deadly_Alive	sealsrock12: gotta go through this procedure - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VirtualBox/Install_Arch_Linux_as_a_guest#Install_the_Guest_Additions
2022-07-11 18:05:47	phrik	Title: VirtualBox/Install Arch Linux as a guest - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-11 18:06:10	alloy	Manouchehri oh that's an easy one, that I can't remember but someone will ;)
2022-07-11 18:06:18	Manouchehri	alloy: haha yeah I just forgot 
2022-07-11 18:06:39	alloy	ask in #linux too, someone there prolls just used it :)
2022-07-11 18:06:44	Manouchehri	alloy: basically /proc/filesystems but something like /proc/protocols
2022-07-11 18:06:53	alloy	lsmod??
2022-07-11 18:07:39	Manouchehri	alloy: ish, but for example, you don't see tcp listed (because it's built in)
2022-07-11 18:07:40	alloy	oh that answered my question lol
2022-07-11 18:07:58	alloy	yah not sure
2022-07-11 18:08:59	Manouchehri	alloy: /proc/net/protocols does list layer 3 stuff I think
2022-07-11 18:09:53	alloy	oh nice
2022-07-11 18:10:02	Manouchehri	but not layer 2
2022-07-11 18:10:12	⚡ 	alloy notes that down
2022-07-11 18:10:16	alloy	ah mmm
2022-07-11 18:10:19	alloy	good list tho
2022-07-11 18:10:56	alloy	UDP-Lite ? what tha...
2022-07-11 18:11:00	Manouchehri	lol
2022-07-11 18:11:08	Manouchehri	i did the same thing
2022-07-11 18:11:20	alloy	sounds like a type of milk :)
2022-07-11 18:11:35	Baphomet	Hello! `grub-mkconfig` isn't adding the cryptomount line to my `grub.cfg`, even though I've set `GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y` on `/etc/defaults/grub`
2022-07-11 18:11:57	Baphomet	Does anyone have a clue about what might be going on? 
2022-07-11 18:12:16	alloy	what's the whole command Baphomet?
2022-07-11 18:12:25	alloy	*that you're trying?
2022-07-11 18:12:33	Deadly_Alive	h4rd3n3d: was just wondering why it was neccesary to go through all those hoops, when it's nativley supported on most of the major distros out of the box
2022-07-11 18:12:46	Baphomet	It's a new install and I have an encrypted /boot
2022-07-11 18:13:04	Baphomet	ou mean the grub-mkconfig?
2022-07-11 18:13:38	Baphomet	I just ran grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg like I always did
2022-07-11 18:14:14	alloy	yeah. mmm looks ok
2022-07-11 18:14:44	Baphomet	How does grub determine whether it should add the cryptomount line?
2022-07-11 18:15:06	alloy	I wish I knew :)
2022-07-11 18:15:42	alloy	I'm having fun with encrypted drives, adding encrypted swap for hibernate :/
2022-07-11 18:18:39	Namarrgon	is /boot on a separate filesystem?
2022-07-11 18:18:52	Baphomet	Yes, it is 
2022-07-11 18:18:57	Namarrgon	is that the ESP?
2022-07-11 18:19:02	Baphomet	But all partitions are encrypted 
2022-07-11 18:19:19	Baphomet	Nope, I have a sepparate efi part (this one not encrypted)
2022-07-11 18:19:42	Namarrgon	is /boot inside a luks v2 volume?
2022-07-11 18:20:26	Baphomet	Yes... My layout is something like: sda3 / sda2 /boot sda1 /boot/efi
2022-07-11 18:20:34	Namarrgon	that's not going to work then, since grub doesn't properly support v2 headers, no amount of cryptodisk support will fix that
2022-07-11 18:21:26	Baphomet	Haaaaam, but I have a similar setup in the system I am using to talk to you right now 
2022-07-11 18:21:34	Namarrgon	with v2 headers?
2022-07-11 18:21:45	Namarrgon	running arch's current grub?
2022-07-11 18:21:46	Baphomet	What do you mean by v2 headers?
2022-07-11 18:22:03	Namarrgon	grub supports only V1 luks headers, not v2, which is the default
2022-07-11 18:22:13	Scimmia	current grub does support v2 headers, but not fully
2022-07-11 18:22:38	Baphomet	Namarrgon: you know weeks ago arch started using git grub due to some security updates, right?
2022-07-11 18:22:55	Namarrgon	Baphomet: does it finally support argon?
2022-07-11 18:23:05	Baphomet	Namarrgon: no, but I don't use argon
2022-07-11 18:23:25	Namarrgon	is it now able to generate images for v2?
2022-07-11 18:23:27	Baphomet	Or I wasn't supposed to be using, let me double check
2022-07-11 18:24:32	Baphomet	Namarrgon: at least theoretically yes, I think
2022-07-11 18:24:45	Namarrgon	why do you think that?
2022-07-11 18:24:48	Scimmia	Baphomet: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#LUKS2
2022-07-11 18:24:49	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-11 18:25:55	another|	Baphomet: is sda2 encrypted?
2022-07-11 18:25:55	Baphomet	Ohhhh I see, seems to be precisely the problem Scimmia thanks
2022-07-11 18:27:20	Baphomet	Namarrgon: because the grub from a couple of days ago comes directly from GIT at a version supporting luks2 (is that WYM by v2, right?)
2022-07-11 18:28:09	Namarrgon	i think that's a bit naive, the version we had before that already "worked" with v2 headers but in an impractical way, as Scimmia mentioned
2022-07-11 18:34:14	Deadly_Alive	h4rd3n3d: i still don't get how you're sending commands to the bash shell without using a terminal emulator
2022-07-11 18:35:51	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-11 18:42:07	another|	you continue to make no sense
2022-07-11 18:42:18	artefact	a shell is orthogonal to a terminal emulator
2022-07-11 18:42:23	◣	tam1m (~tam1m@user/tam1m) ha salido (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2022-07-11 18:42:23	ℹ 	tam1m_ es conocido ahora como tam1m
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2022-07-11 18:43:30	ℹ 	Tema establecido por Namarrgon el vie, 06 may 2022 01:12:11
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2022-07-11 18:43:36	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-07-11 18:43:38	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-07-11 18:43:38	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-11 18:44:19	another|	are you running exclusively on tty?
2022-07-11 18:44:42	Deadly_Alive	maybe he can show as a screen shot of his screen?
2022-07-11 18:44:47	artefact	tty is a terminal emulator
2022-07-11 18:44:48	Deadly_Alive	us*
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2022-07-11 18:47:48	Scimmia	artefact: not really, no
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2022-07-11 18:48:17	Scimmia	this whole conversation is strange, though
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2022-07-11 18:50:41	teraflops	are you trying to make sense off a conversation with them?
2022-07-11 18:50:44	teraflops	heh
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2022-07-11 18:59:59	ℹ 	sangy es conocido ahora como usapolitics
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2022-07-11 19:00:04	ℹ 	usapolitics es conocido ahora como sangy
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2022-07-11 19:02:41	⚡ 	gehidore headdesks
2022-07-11 19:03:30	Deadly_Alive	ok h4rd3n3d no worries
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2022-07-11 19:03:50	Deadly_Alive	did you know that you can install arch by simply typing archinstall in console?
2022-07-11 19:04:06	Deadly_Alive	than you configure the settings from there
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2022-07-11 19:06:46	Scimmia	and that statement explains a lot
2022-07-11 19:07:18	gehidore	Scimmia++
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2022-07-11 19:08:42	Deadly_Alive	Scimmia you noob, probably don't even know that you can press cntrl+l to clear the console
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2022-07-11 19:25:50	jonathon	can anyone confirm whether `celluloid` just broke for them too? starting from a terminal doesn't return anything, nothing runs. i think the only thing I updated since it worked was imlib2 but that's not a dependency of celluloid... :/
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2022-07-11 19:27:22	susi	installed it for a test, works for me
2022-07-11 19:27:32	susi	can I uninstall it now?
2022-07-11 19:27:39	susi	or do you need further information
2022-07-11 19:27:41	jonathon	hmm. time for me to try a log out/reboot
2022-07-11 19:27:52	jonathon	no, if it works for you then it's a local issue
2022-07-11 19:28:08	jonathon	thank you :)
2022-07-11 19:28:43	susi	mpv 0.34.1-dirty
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2022-07-11 19:33:42	jonathon	reboot fixed it. no idea what the problem was.
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2022-07-11 19:34:45	gehidore	way to go jonathon 
2022-07-11 19:34:49	jonathon	:P
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2022-07-11 19:41:50	xeyler	Does the BIOS boot partition have to be first?
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2022-07-11 19:43:00	susi	if I've understood it right, yes it needs, because it holds part of the bootloader
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2022-07-12 17:09:44	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-07-12 17:09:44	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1433 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1432 normals)
2022-07-12 14:50:36	lolok	cool, my chat history just got clobbered randomly, maybe its time to install a real irc client...
2022-07-12 14:53:05	mpan	lolok: <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications/Internet#IRC_clients>, plus Libera has an neat collection of guides on SASL configuration for each client: <https://libera.chat/guides/sasl>.
2022-07-12 14:53:06	phrik	Title: List of applications/Internet - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-12 14:55:50	lolok	oh looks like someone else finally picked up hexchat, nice, it was unmaintained for a while stuck on gtk2
2022-07-12 15:00:58	hiya	who did?
2022-07-12 15:04:35	lolok	ah fuck its getting updates again but its still on gtk2 lmao
2022-07-12 15:05:09	Mete-	what is the problem? hexchat is good IMO
2022-07-12 15:10:03	mpan	Mete-: gtk2 is itself dead.
2022-07-12 15:11:06	lolok	thats what i was gonna say, and that i didnt want it installed just for this, but turns out i have it as a dep for steam-native...
2022-07-12 15:12:32	Edu4rdSHL	Use weechat :p
2022-07-12 15:13:11	artefact	gimp still depends on gtk2
2022-07-12 15:14:16	mpan	Mete-: we are sailing towards gtk5 now. Having gtk2 as a dependency is a “bad thing”. With “we” being the world, not Arch specifically.
2022-07-12 15:14:38	mpan	artefact: gimp is also moving towards gtk3.
2022-07-12 15:15:01	lolok	i dont do art much, but if i have to, krita or pinta; weechat is nice, but only because amdgpu took a massive shit recently
2022-07-12 15:15:24	mpan	artefact: not sure what it uses from gtk2 actually, since UI is gtk3 for 2 years now.
2022-07-12 15:15:42	Edu4rdSHL	What does amdgpu have to do with weechat
2022-07-12 15:16:13	lolok	i can use it from tmux and dont need xorg running
2022-07-12 15:16:39	Edu4rdSHL	So nothing
2022-07-12 15:17:39	lolok	yes but nothing is everything when amdgpu is borked
2022-07-12 15:18:27	lolok	in that case nothing becomes the most important part
2022-07-12 15:22:12	mesaoptimizer	there's a german archlinux channel, I heard?
2022-07-12 15:22:51	sangy	!aw bluetooth
2022-07-12 15:22:51	phrik	sangy: Bluetooth - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bluetooth
2022-07-12 15:22:53	sangy	ja
2022-07-12 15:23:25	wunit	mesaoptimizer: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_IRC_channels#International_IRC_channels
2022-07-12 15:23:26	phrik	Title: Arch IRC channels - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-12 15:23:47	mesaoptimizer	thanks!
2022-07-12 15:24:17	sangy	I think my headphones sometimes fail when pairing with bluetooth LE. Does anybody know anything about it ?
2022-07-12 15:24:46	damarusama	when I lsblk I get 2 loop device
2022-07-12 15:24:59	damarusama	loop0   docker-8:2-2760780-pool
2022-07-12 15:25:24	damarusama	and loop1 - that seems to come from a crashed scritp but it mount automatically every boot
2022-07-12 15:25:41	damarusama	how can I find out what is mounting this? 
2022-07-12 15:26:09	artefact	it's probably, uh, docker
2022-07-12 15:26:16	damarusama	docker ps doesn't list any running thing
2022-07-12 15:36:19	damarusama	allright all cleaned and removed... 
2022-07-12 16:18:16	Numero	I'm starting to have a lot of problems with arch/kde of having app windows lock up e.g. when trying to save or close. right now i've got an inkscape window that triggered the problem when i tried to close it but it's also affected libreoffice. a dolphin window on a 2nd screen won't close now either.
2022-07-12 16:20:51	parcimonic[m]	wayland or xorg?
2022-07-12 16:20:58	Numero	parcimonic[m]: xorg
2022-07-12 16:21:53	parcimonic[m]	Yeah I had some problemas with KDE blocking when I closed one program (keepassXC). It went away when I moved to wayland, but it has its problems as well.
2022-07-12 16:22:26	parcimonic[m]	*the blocking happened on xorg, if it wasn't clear
2022-07-12 16:24:12	Numero	parcimonic[m]: now, my dmesg has things like "INFO: task f2fs_ckpt-8:17:323 blocked for more than 245 seconds." or "INFO: task plasmashell:706 blocked for more than 122 seconds."
2022-07-12 16:25:13	artefact	io pressure?
2022-07-12 16:25:23	Numero	artefact: not hardly
2022-07-12 17:09:48	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-12 17:43:50	ℹ 	tam1m_ es conocido ahora como tam1m
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2022-07-12 18:00:59	masterkorp	Hello
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2022-07-12 18:01:14	masterkorp	I am trying to setup my Tesmark KVM switch on linux
2022-07-12 18:01:21	masterkorp	and nothing gets detected
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2022-07-12 18:02:19	masterkorp	[  487.097072] usb 3-6.2.1: new full-speed USB device number 122 using xhci_hcd
2022-07-12 18:02:19	masterkorp	[  487.193796] usb 3-6.2.1: device descriptor read/64, error -32
2022-07-12 18:02:19	masterkorp	[  487.400488] usb 3-6.2.1: device descriptor read/64, error -32
2022-07-12 18:02:24	masterkorp	all i get is this 
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2022-07-12 18:02:42	masterkorp	no displays or mouse or keyboard
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2022-07-12 18:14:54	ℹ 	danso_o es conocido ahora como danso
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2022-07-12 18:27:03	dbrgn	hi, I experience occasional chromium crashes. the crashes in minidump format can be found in the profile directory. the dumps can be symbolicated using minidump-stackwalk: https://crates.io/crates/minidump-stackwalk/0.11.0 however, I need debug symbols. I used debuginfod-find to download symbols for chromium, but they don't seem to work... I assume they're in a different format than the
2022-07-12 18:27:03	dbrgn	minidump/breakpad 
2022-07-12 18:27:09	dbrgn	format used by chromium? any idea if symbols for chromium in this format exist for the arch package, or if I need to rebuild chromium in debug mode?
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2022-07-12 18:30:12	DeepDayze	there should be a package for chromium with debug
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2022-07-12 18:32:13	lolok	you can add '!strip' to the pkgbuild here https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/chromium/trunk/PKGBUILD and i think that should do it for you
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2022-07-12 18:35:24	TestingPlant	dbrgn: you can install arch's debug packages like chromium-debug
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2022-07-12 18:36:01	TestingPlant	see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debugging/Getting_traces#Install_debug_packages
2022-07-12 18:36:02	phrik	Title: Debugging/Getting traces - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-12 18:37:05	TestingPlant	afterwards you can use "coredumpctl gdb" to open the last crash in gdb and then get a backtrace there
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2022-07-12 18:38:26	dbrgn	DeepDayze: lolok: TestingPlant: thanks!
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2022-07-12 18:43:21	dbrgn	TestingPlant: very nice, worked flawlessly. and it confirms my suspicion on what caused the crash :)
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2022-07-12 18:47:43	chazy	does anyone know what this error is about? it's kinda ambiguous to me: "pk12util: PKCS12 decode import bags failed: SEC_ERROR_PKCS12_UNABLE_TO_IMPORT_KEY: Unable to import. Error attempting to import private key."
2022-07-12 18:48:12	chazy	tried first using firefox but after the same error over again i tried manually and still no luck
2022-07-12 18:48:39	chazy	i mean, trying to import a pkcs12 cert
2022-07-12 18:49:32	chazy	i tried on a family member's laptop and my workstation (both running arch), i'm gonna try it on a windows computer just to see if it's the cert file or a misconfiguration in the linux systems i manage
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2022-07-12 18:57:31	chazy	looks like it might me be cert file, assuming that a gvnmt issued cert should work out of the box without manipulating it, cuz i read something about "friendly name"? and that certs without one error out like this? does anyone know something about this?
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2022-07-12 18:58:07	chazy	it might be the*
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2022-07-12 18:59:14	Vorpal	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg#Rootless_Xorg mentions that lightdm or xdm doesn't support rootless X, but there is nothing about SDDM. However there are no instructions for SDDM. Googling there is a closed bug in SSDM about adding rootless support (closed during 2021).
2022-07-12 18:59:16	phrik	Title: Xorg - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-12 18:59:26	Vorpal	My X does however seem to be running with root under SDDM
2022-07-12 18:59:37	Vorpal	intel graphics
2022-07-12 18:59:48	Vorpal	so, any suggestion for how to get rootless X working?
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2022-07-12 19:01:44	Vorpal	also, will the steps vary when the nvidia graphics are enabled (I use optimus-manager on this laptop)
2022-07-12 19:04:07	lolok	must be nice having a gvnmt where you can assume things they do will work
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2022-07-12 19:05:21	parcimonic[m]	Vorpal are you using `sddm-git`?
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2022-07-12 19:07:19	Vorpal	parcimonic[m]: no, do I actually need that for rootless?
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2022-07-12 19:07:51	Vorpal	I'm using X, not wayland btw
2022-07-12 19:07:59	parcimonic[m]	rootless xorg is supposed to land on sddm 0.20:
2022-07-12 19:07:59	parcimonic[m]	https://github.com/sddm/sddm/milestone/13
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2022-07-12 19:08:00	Vorpal	I did see the line "SDDM can run rootless under Wayland, but currently only when using the sddm-gitAUR package. "
2022-07-12 19:08:08	Vorpal	ah, okay
2022-07-12 19:08:10	Vorpal	good to know
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2022-07-12 19:08:11	parcimonic[m]	Which is not close to release
2022-07-12 19:08:17	Vorpal	I thought it released together with KDE
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2022-07-12 19:08:30	parcimonic[m]	Try with the git version, it may work for you.
2022-07-12 19:08:41	Vorpal	I will do that
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2022-07-12 19:09:23	Vorpal	I assume I also need sddm-kcm-git?
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2022-07-12 19:10:07	Vorpal	or does the old non-git kcm module work to configure git sddm?
2022-07-12 19:10:16	parcimonic[m]	AFAIK the kcm package is just to show a config screen on KDE settings. If you're configuring via config file manually, it shouldn't be needed.
2022-07-12 19:10:19	parcimonic[m]	https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/1502
2022-07-12 19:10:19	parcimonic[m]	be mindful of this but tho
2022-07-12 19:10:21	parcimonic[m]	*bug
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2022-07-12 19:11:17	Vorpal	oh
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2022-07-12 19:12:06	Vorpal	presumably it is only some configurations, or the devs would know about it
2022-07-12 19:12:19	Vorpal	would know how to fix it
2022-07-12 19:12:21	Vorpal	I mean
2022-07-12 19:12:29	Vorpal	it reads like they have issues reproducing the problem
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2022-07-12 19:13:14	parcimonic[m]	Good luck 🙂
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2022-07-12 19:17:54	Vorpal	going to try it now
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2022-07-12 19:27:06	Vorpal	parcimonic[m]: nope, ran into that bug
2022-07-12 19:28:32	parcimonic[m]	damn...
2022-07-12 19:28:39	parcimonic[m]	If you can spare the time to reproduce it and add to the report, it would be cool
2022-07-12 19:28:47	Vorpal	shame, I would like to run X rootless. But gdm is a pain when using optimus-manager from what I read. You need a special gdm-prime package from AUR. 
2022-07-12 19:28:58	Vorpal	parcimonic[m]: I did add some system details for them
2022-07-12 19:29:45	Vorpal	and the third option lightdm doesn't support rootless at all from what I can find
2022-07-12 19:30:53	parcimonic[m]	You can try running start-plasma or something like that from the cli, without needing sddm/gdm. Not sure if this can cause any problems with the graphical session though.
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2022-07-12 19:31:26	Vorpal	parcimonic[m]: this did allow me to do some further tests with respect to some other bugs I have though: My bluetooth mouse does not connect until I have logged in graphically. It does reconnect after I log out if I turn the mouse on and off, so it is not "being logged out" that causes it. It is "have not yet logged in after boot"
2022-07-12 19:31:53	Vorpal	bluetooth is on before login, I checked from the vt
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2022-07-12 19:32:08	Vorpal	so whatever it is, it is more complicated than that
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2022-07-12 19:32:23	post-factum	[~]> sudo modprobe amd-pstate shared_mem=1
2022-07-12 19:32:24	post-factum	modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'amd_pstate': No such device
2022-07-12 19:32:27	post-factum	erm the f*ck
2022-07-12 19:32:28	parcimonic[m]	hmm
2022-07-12 19:32:39	parcimonic[m]	well, if you want to try the console login:
2022-07-12 19:32:39	parcimonic[m]	https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/vfdyk0/proper_way_to_start_plasma_wayland_from_console/
2022-07-12 19:32:41	post-factum	v5.18.11 broke it
2022-07-12 19:33:08	Vorpal	I absolutely do not want wayland, but yeah
2022-07-12 19:33:34	Vorpal	parcimonic[m]: also that will break optimus-manager I think
2022-07-12 19:33:41	parcimonic[m]	It works with xorg, this is the better reference:
2022-07-12 19:33:41	parcimonic[m]	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE#From_the_console
2022-07-12 19:33:43	phrik	Title: KDE - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-12 19:35:08	Vorpal	I could try sddm on my desktop that has only nvidia graphics (not switchable) and see if that is related at all
2022-07-12 19:35:16	Vorpal	I currently use lightdm there
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2022-07-12 19:54:49	lolok	if my understanding of those bug reports is right, i think i have 1 more reboot up my sleeve, brb before i try patching and compiling a kernel manually
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2022-07-12 20:02:31	Booni	Any good website builders available on Arch?
2022-07-12 20:03:29	Dan39	Booni: the question is more of "available on linux" or "available online"
2022-07-12 20:03:40	Dan39	but you are asking a super broad question
2022-07-12 20:03:46	susi	Vorpal: fix your attitudes, Wayland > * > Xorg
2022-07-12 20:03:48	Booni	Hmm what do you mean? 
2022-07-12 20:04:07	Booni	If it was available online it wouldn't matter if it's for arch specifically, I think 
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2022-07-12 20:04:12	Dan39	right
2022-07-12 20:04:34	Booni	What I mean is a software that I can install trough Pacman or AUR(makepkg) 
2022-07-12 20:04:43	Booni	Preferably QT/KDE based xD
2022-07-12 20:04:57	Booni	but that's a preference not a requirment not being picky, 
2022-07-12 20:05:06	jpw	you could probably run front page express in wine 
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2022-07-12 20:05:45	Dan39	there was one i recall
2022-07-12 20:05:48	Dan39	but it seemed kinda meh
2022-07-12 20:05:57	Booni	To be a bit more detailed - I'm not looking for anything fancy. It's not a business website. Just a side project as a hobby I'm doing - so I'm aiming for something simple
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2022-07-12 20:06:27	jpw	Booni: not gui driven but for simple static html website I like https://gohugo.io/
2022-07-12 20:06:27	phrik	Title: The world’s fastest framework for building websites | Hugo (at gohugo.io)
2022-07-12 20:06:40	Dan39	theres a lot of options for web based stuff like wordpress, joomla, drupal, weebly, wix
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2022-07-12 20:09:11	Dan39	i always wanted to try Mezzanine since ya know, python :P
2022-07-12 20:10:07	mefistofeles	Booni: do you need it to be dynamic or static? Because I second jpw suggestion of using Hugo if you need something static
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2022-07-12 20:11:02	Dan39	Booni: just get a tumblr
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2022-07-12 20:12:19	Booni	mefistofeles: whats the difference?  Sorrry am a bit of e newbie
2022-07-12 20:13:07	Dan39	Hugo does look nice. written in Go is a plus...
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2022-07-12 20:14:20	HenrikJuul	Booni: It appears, that Libreoffice can export to "web page" similar to Word or Front Page: https://tinyurl.com/4kdahkw7
2022-07-12 20:14:22	phrik	Title: Chapter 12 Creating Web Pages (at tinyurl.com)
2022-07-12 20:15:34	Dan39	i mean, does photoshop still supporting slicing to html tables? :D
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2022-07-12 20:15:50	Dan39	that was how i made my first site in like 2003
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2022-07-12 20:17:09	Booni	thanks HenrikJuul
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2022-07-12 20:17:28	Booni	jpw:  thanks I'll check hugo out too
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2022-07-12 20:22:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-12 20:24:13	Baphomet	Quick question... My initramfs is generating a ramdisk with a single root entry with empty hash on /etc/shadow... Should I manually add a shadow with a password?
2022-07-12 20:24:27	Baphomet	What's the best practice here?
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2022-07-12 20:28:01	jpw	Baphomet: do you need an /etc/shadow for your initrd?
2022-07-12 20:28:38	jpw	i.e. are you expecting something to authenticate against it?
2022-07-12 20:29:35	mingdao	Perhaps I'm not searching correctly, but my Gnome desktop has starting causing notifications to pop up rather than launching the app alone.  Such as `display Pictures/Gnome-Display-settings-01.png` gives this pop-up in the top of the screen that I have to click to see the image, rather than the image just popping up.  This just changed in the last couple of days, but I can't find out what or how
2022-07-12 20:29:35	mingdao	to 
2022-07-12 20:29:41	mingdao	make it stop.
2022-07-12 20:29:54	Baphomet	I'm having another error mounting my filesystem while booting, so I think I need one for authentication before root filesystem is mounted 
2022-07-12 20:29:59	HenrikJuul	Baphomet: If someone is able to boot into your ramdisk, they have already have root, unless you use an encrypted drive.
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2022-07-12 20:30:29	str0	I'm using a git bare repo to manage my dotfiles and sync them across devices, however I'd like some config files to be different on my laptop, like the font size of my terminal, or a battery module for my dwm statusbar. How do I manage both versions with those minor changes?
2022-07-12 20:30:44	Baphomet	Yes, I do use an encrypted drive, HenrikJuul 
2022-07-12 20:31:34	Vorpal	I tried sddm-git to test if I could get rootless X working (I couldn't) but now unlocking a locked session doesn't work, not even after downgrading sddm to the non-git version and restarting.
2022-07-12 20:31:38	teraflops	str0: branches?
2022-07-12 20:31:57	Vorpal	It accepts the password but then it shows an "unlock" button below my name that does nothing
2022-07-12 20:32:03	Vorpal	this button never showed up before
2022-07-12 20:32:07	Vorpal	any suggestions? -_-
2022-07-12 20:32:29	Vorpal	I managed to unlock it from a terminal using loginctl, but it was really slow to take effect
2022-07-12 20:32:50	Vorpal	as in, unlocking using loginctl gave me a black screen for 10-15 seconds before my desktop came back
2022-07-12 20:32:54	HenrikJuul	Baphomet: I don't think the shadow file can help you unlock a drive, it's a one-way hash to test your password against the rootfs. I'm not familiar with encrypted drives, but maybe check the archwiki for a missing hook or something
2022-07-12 20:33:00	str0	teraflops, That's an option, but do I really need to use different branches if the difference is sometimes only one character
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2022-07-12 20:33:30	Vorpal	str0: try chezmoi maybe? It manages dotfiles and allows templating and similar things
2022-07-12 20:33:38	Vorpal	it uses git as the backing store
2022-07-12 20:33:49	str0	I'll look
2022-07-12 20:33:52	Baphomet	I double checked... It's supposed to be okay as far as I could verify, Henrik 
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2022-07-12 20:35:02	Baphomet	At this moment I wouldn't mind running cryptsetup manually every startup for a few days, but I would need to login into the emergency shell
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2022-07-12 20:39:07	Edu4rdSHL	ping 1.1
2022-07-12 20:39:12	Edu4rdSHL	Ups
2022-07-12 20:39:34	Vorpal	anyone have any suggestions for the kde screen locking issue?
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2022-07-12 20:47:48	Vorpal	ah, it seems to be https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=455712 in combination with https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=456210
2022-07-12 20:47:57	phrik	Title: 455712 – Unlock button even with password user (at bugs.kde.org)
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2022-07-12 20:48:13	Vorpal	how do I pin an older package version, so I don't have to remember to pass --ignore <package name> every time to pacman -Syu?
2022-07-12 20:48:30	Edu4rdSHL	Vorpal, you set it in pacman.conf
2022-07-12 20:48:50	Edu4rdSHL	But that's somehow a partial upgrade, not recommended really
2022-07-12 20:48:53	Vorpal	ah, thanks, didn't think of that
2022-07-12 20:49:15	Vorpal	Edu4rdSHL: yeah but being unable to unlock my screen and having to use loginctl from the vt is not really recommended either
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2022-07-12 20:49:45	Vorpal	Edu4rdSHL: until that is fixed, I can't use the most recent kscreenlocker version
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2022-07-13 10:15:51	Strykar	I have a 1080p at 120 Hz and a 1440p at 165 hz driven by a GTX 950, pulls around 17W for desktop usage
2022-07-13 10:16:47	ishan	Right now it's pulling 79W. I am literally not even doing anything. I just have hexchat + i3 open 
2022-07-13 10:17:00	Strykar	that sounds high, what GPU is this
2022-07-13 10:17:10	ishan	3080
2022-07-13 10:17:48	Strykar	30xx series have a much higher power draw so could be correct
2022-07-13 10:18:13	ishan	Strykar: It used to pull only about ~21W in my previous setup. (1x 1440p 144hz + 1x 1080p 60hz) 
2022-07-13 10:18:19	Strykar	try another DE like Gnome/KDE and confirm 
2022-07-13 10:18:45	artefact	is there a simple way to run a systemd unit once at next reboot?
2022-07-13 10:18:53	ishan	I will try that later today or tomorrow. I have to finish up some work first 
2022-07-13 10:19:13	Strykar	artefact: transient systemd units?
2022-07-13 10:19:36	ishan	It's pulling 79W, Both fans going off at 1000rpm and gpu temp is at 58C smh 
2022-07-13 10:24:05	CyberShadow	Are there any reasons when it would be beneficial to run Xorg as root?
2022-07-13 10:24:18	ishan	If I just switch to another TTY, Power usage drops down to 12-13W 
2022-07-13 10:24:56	ishan	Disabling gsync/vsync doesn't help with power usage
2022-07-13 10:25:01	CyberShadow	I see that overclocking NVIDIA GPUs only works when Xorg runs as root, are there others?
2022-07-13 10:25:20	artefact	not sure, multiseat X perhaps?
2022-07-13 10:26:33	ishan	https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/bug-report-idle-power-draw-is-astronomical-with-rtx-3090/155632/8
2022-07-13 10:26:34	phrik	Title: [BUG Report] Idle Power Draw is ASTRONOMICAL with RTX 3090 - #8 by gardotd426 - Linux - NVIDIA Developer Forums (at forums.developer.nvidia.com)
2022-07-13 10:26:38	jelle	CyberShadow: running Xorg as root is never recommended
2022-07-13 10:27:07	jelle	in short even running Xorg is not recommended :)
2022-07-13 10:27:19	CyberShadow	There's a paragraph on the wiki somewhere that has a phrasing like "If you need to run Xorg as root", which begs the question when that need would arise
2022-07-13 10:27:35	artefact	maybe on BSDs
2022-07-13 10:27:59	jelle	CyberShadow: we worked hard to not run X as root, what makes you think there is a benefit to it
2022-07-13 10:28:49	CyberShadow	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg#Xorg_as_Root "and you have a need to run Xorg as root" Wondering what the "need" may be here.
2022-07-13 10:28:51	phrik	Title: Xorg - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-13 10:29:54	jelle	no idea honestly
2022-07-13 10:30:21	FOSSologe	if you have programs like wireshark?
2022-07-13 10:30:27	jelle	FOSSologe: no
2022-07-13 10:30:29	artefact	how is it related to X?
2022-07-13 10:30:41	CyberShadow	No, the user running Xorg is not the same as the user running clients that connect to Xorg.
2022-07-13 10:31:43	CyberShadow	I've been using https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Nodm on my systems so far, but after discovering that it runs Xorg without authentication by default AND it runs Xorg as root, I'm trying to move away from it ASAP - was wondering what I should expect to break as I move to Xorg as non-root.
2022-07-13 10:31:44	phrik	Title: Nodm - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-13 10:31:56	jelle	CyberShadow: nothing
2022-07-13 10:32:03	jelle	CyberShadow: Xorg has been rootless for years
2022-07-13 10:32:05	CyberShadow	Thanks.
2022-07-13 10:32:07	artefact	really hard to run x as root nowadays
2022-07-13 10:32:27	jelle	really wants me to kick nodm out of the repos lol
2022-07-13 10:32:50	artefact	what's the usecase of nodm over https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xinit#Autostart_X_at_login= ?
2022-07-13 10:32:51	phrik	Title: xinit - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-13 10:33:24	CyberShadow	It integrates with loginctl/PAM so at the time I thought it seemed like a more canonical solution.
2022-07-13 10:33:28	jelle	FOSSologe: btw, wireshark does not require root at all, you just need to join the correct groups
2022-07-13 10:33:55	wunit	jelle: the URL in the nodm package leads to a github repo whose readme starts with "THIS REPOSITORY IS NOT MAINTAINED" :-}
2022-07-13 10:34:02	artefact	integrates how? you can also autologin with a getty override, then xinit in your .zlogin or whatever
2022-07-13 10:34:03	jelle	wunit: :)
2022-07-13 10:35:07	artefact	maybe you were missing /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/50-systemd-user.sh in your .xinitrc
2022-07-13 10:36:22	CyberShadow	Yeah, the .profile/startx approach does seem like a bit of a hack, doesn't it? Automatically log in to a terminal session, run an interactive shell meant for a terminal session, which then detects the circumstances and runs a graphical display server from that terminal session.
2022-07-13 10:36:48	MacGyver	artefact: Which is entirely possible; I recall having to make that script myself way back when.
2022-07-13 10:37:11	CyberShadow	(BTW I actually have 50-systemd-user.sh masked, because it make it messy to run multiple X servers on the same user. DISPLAY is instead passed by systemd unit parameter.)
2022-07-13 10:38:00	MacGyver	CyberShadow: For someone who doesn't need the features a DM provides, that "hack" is much less fragile.
2022-07-13 10:38:17	artefact	it works, it's simple chaining of pieces
2022-07-13 10:38:28	CyberShadow	Well, up to the point where you switch to fish, which really shouldn't affect stuff like that, I guess.
2022-07-13 10:38:32	artefact	"ok, i usually login with my username/password then type startx, how do i automate that"
2022-07-13 10:39:28	CyberShadow	That's one way to think about it. Another way to think about it is that a text console and a graphical environment are alternatives which should be side by side of each other.
2022-07-13 10:40:13	artefact	it's exactly the same though
2022-07-13 10:40:23	artefact	your X is just on vt1
2022-07-13 10:41:03	artefact	i can still manually login into vt2 and do business in fbcon if i want
2022-07-13 10:45:20	CyberShadow	Maybe it would be more correct to set the user's shell to a program which makes the decision whether to run bash or xorg? That would remove the fish problem
2022-07-13 10:47:38	wunit	but then you'd need to reconfigure your interactive terminal( emulator)s to launch a specific shell that is not your login shell
2022-07-13 10:48:27	CyberShadow	The login shell would presumably exec into your text-based shell if it's not running on vt1
2022-07-13 10:49:57	wunit	yes, but you'd need to tell e.g. xterm to also launch that "real" shell and not what's in your passwd entry
2022-07-13 10:50:06	artefact	how often do you chsh? is it actually a problem?
2022-07-13 10:50:09	CyberShadow	Why?
2022-07-13 10:50:35	artefact	even if i were super forgetful, i'd just boot into vt1 with a bare shell, and have a "oh yeah" moment
2022-07-13 10:50:44	wunit	(though I guess setting/exporting $SHELL might solve this to some extent...)
2022-07-13 10:51:11	rj1	i want to perform fellatio on every user in this chat room
2022-07-13 10:51:37	artefact	i can agree that it's not user friendly
2022-07-13 10:51:51	artefact	so yeah, i guess, it's a hack
2022-07-13 10:55:31	Cork	wow.. really...
2022-07-13 10:57:09	lolok	so linux-mainline then, whats up with the -git version in the aur? im guessing the other one is the better option...
2022-07-13 10:57:26	jelle	lolok: what is up with it
2022-07-13 10:57:50	jelle	lolok: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unofficial_user_repositories => mainline
2022-07-13 10:57:51	phrik	Title: Unofficial user repositories - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-13 10:57:56	jelle	#protip
2022-07-13 11:01:16	lolok	idk why but it doesnt look like its going to do what it says on the box
2022-07-13 11:03:19	jelle	lolok: what do you mean?
2022-07-13 11:03:29	artefact	compiling the kernel takes a while. esp. the default arch setup with most of the things enabled
2022-07-13 11:03:57	artefact	(even more if you compile on a hdd or you use lto)
2022-07-13 11:05:49	lolok	the pkgver is lower than the other, i usually expect the opposite, git being higher
2022-07-13 11:06:05	jelle	lolok: pkgver is lower?
2022-07-13 11:06:26	jelle	lolok: it's rc6
2022-07-13 11:06:47	jelle	lolok: linux-mainline-git doesn't need to update it's pkgver, it's always the latest
2022-07-13 11:07:35	lolok	so whats the difference then? the -git is actually newer? or is the other binary?
2022-07-13 11:07:52	Namarrgon	-mainline packages the RCs, -git the latest commit
2022-07-13 11:07:52	jelle	lolok: the difference is the source it uses
2022-07-13 11:08:08	jelle	now I wonder if lolok even knows for sure if it's fixed in mainline
2022-07-13 11:08:24	lolok	im not actually lol i was just thinking i better doublecheck
2022-07-13 11:08:40	ilomiglio	!paste
2022-07-13 11:08:40	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-07-13 11:08:52	lolok	also lookinf at the older lts options
2022-07-13 11:08:56	jelle	lolok: share the git commit
2022-07-13 11:09:46	lolok	https://cgit.freedesktop.org/drm/drm/commit/?h=drm-fixes&id=ee7a69aa38d87a3bbced7b8245c732c05ed0c6ec
2022-07-13 11:09:47	phrik	Title: drm/drm - DRM kernel graphics driver development tree (at cgit.freedesktop.org)
2022-07-13 11:10:26	jelle	that's the DRM tree tho
2022-07-13 11:10:54	lolok	yea i gotta see if this patch made it up
2022-07-13 11:10:57	lolok	i think right?
2022-07-13 11:11:08	jelle	what makes you think it did?
2022-07-13 11:11:32	lolok	another bug report
2022-07-13 11:11:40	lolok	i lost that link tho
2022-07-13 11:11:46	jelle	lolok: honestly what does this have to do with amdgpu?
2022-07-13 11:12:05	lolok	ill try to find it
2022-07-13 11:12:08	lolok	moiment
2022-07-13 11:13:25	lolok	jelle https://lore.kernel.org/all/CABXGCsNrnYZO6NfF624j0xrBkdF9vjZhcyF8iZrEr4eGcjpSCA@mail.gmail.com/
2022-07-13 11:13:25	phrik	Title: Re: [Bug][5.19-rc0] Between commits fdaf9a5840ac and babf0bb978e3 GPU stopped entering in graphic mode. - Mikhail Gavrilov (at lore.kernel.org)
2022-07-13 11:13:50	jelle	lolok: anyway trying linux-mainline would have taken less time :p
2022-07-13 11:16:00	jelle	lolok: it is in rc5 and rc6
2022-07-13 11:17:08	lolok	https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/video/fbdev/core/fbmem.c?h=v5.19-rc6 yea just found it
2022-07-13 11:17:09	phrik	Title: fbmem.c « core « fbdev « video « drivers - kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree (at git.kernel.org)
2022-07-13 11:21:02	lolok	shit, all the lts aur packages were updated after 10 july too, same day as my borked update, so if mainline dont work, i get a feeling none of the older ones will either
2022-07-13 11:22:12	Namarrgon	it's the AUR, most of it needs to be compiled from source anyway
2022-07-13 11:22:39	jelle	but not linux-mainline :)
2022-07-13 11:23:04	Namarrgon	they could have compiled that by now, too
2022-07-13 11:23:57	lolok	there is one, linus-rt-lts, im installing both this and mainline and gonna try both
2022-07-13 11:24:26	lolok	and i guess not the -git version of mainline
2022-07-13 11:24:38	⚡ 	jelle facepalms
2022-07-13 11:24:58	lolok	which part of what i just said was most dumb?
2022-07-13 11:25:49	jelle	the dumb part is me recommending linux-mainline (which can be obtained pre-compiled)
2022-07-13 11:26:24	lolok	oh shit from the repo now i get it lmao
2022-07-13 11:28:41	Namarrgon	isn't linux-mainline-git just a duplicate of linux-git?
2022-07-13 11:29:52	jelle	Namarrgon: real men use linux-next-git ofcourse
2022-07-13 11:31:32	MrElendig	linux-so-fresh-it-gets-up-and-bites-you-git
2022-07-13 11:36:03	lolok	ok reboot again if this dont work maybe ill actually make the food io was talking about 3 hours ago...
2022-07-13 11:50:54	lolok	still no luck, how the hell could be broken by an update, and not fixed by downgrading?
2022-07-13 11:51:10	jelle	hardware issue :)
2022-07-13 11:51:17	jelle	or firmware
2022-07-13 11:52:26	lolok	but how tho, it was working, 3 whole days at least...
2022-07-13 12:04:28	074AAA0R2	might be off topic but my logitech wireless keyboard is ghost typing the insert key, verified by running xev | grep 'keycode' and i see a barrage of insert keys being logged. how do i troubleshoot/solve this?
2022-07-13 12:04:57	raster	074AAA0R2: you have a cat. a ghost cat.
2022-07-13 12:05:07	morteza24	I can't install python-jinja. output of pacman -S python-jinja: https://bpa.st/UL2A
2022-07-13 12:05:07	phrik	Title: View paste UL2A (at bpa.st)
2022-07-13 12:05:44	MrElendig	morteza24: been using sudo pip?
2022-07-13 12:05:50	074AAA0R2	raster: and it's pawing the insert key, how do i get rid of it?
2022-07-13 12:05:58	MrElendig	morteza24: or murdered pacman?
2022-07-13 12:06:18	morteza24	yes I couldn't uninstall a pip package
2022-07-13 12:06:21	lolok	074AAA0R2 you can use xbindkeys to make the insert key do nothing, as for why its happening, give it a good smack id say...
2022-07-13 12:06:24	morteza24	i had to use sudo pip
2022-07-13 12:06:31	raster	074AAA0R2: ham. offer it ham somewhere away from the keyboard. works every time. malloc says so. :)
2022-07-13 12:07:01	raster	074AAA0R2: though seriously... have you tried pulling the keycap off just to eliminate a possible mechanical problem?
2022-07-13 12:07:12	raster	i assume you unplug the kbd and it stops ...
2022-07-13 12:07:32	raster	is your kernel complaining about anything?
2022-07-13 12:08:13	074AAA0R2	raster: yeah unplugging the usb receiver obviously stops it
2022-07-13 12:11:02	raster	have you tries solaar ro re-pair the kbd?
2022-07-13 12:11:19	074AAA0R2	raster: i did try pulling out the keycap out and it's stopped lol
2022-07-13 12:11:19	raster	like maybe just unpair and pair it again (utility to managing the logitech dongles)
2022-07-13 12:11:35	raster	oh hahah!  so it may have been a stuck switch.
2022-07-13 12:11:57	raster	well score one for the obvious.
2022-07-13 12:12:16	074AAA0R2	i hope it doesn't start again :3
2022-07-13 12:12:18	raster	thought ghost cat i think is still the most obvious solution to these :)
2022-07-13 12:12:34	raster	you might want to give your kbd a clean :)
2022-07-13 12:13:00	raster	vacumm under the keys - scrape out the remnants of your past 30 snack meals :)
2022-07-13 12:13:08	raster	err vacuum
2022-07-13 12:14:29	074AAA0R2	welp it started again 
2022-07-13 12:14:43	raster	more ham for the cat. :)
2022-07-13 12:16:03	074AAA0R2	the backspace key seems to trigger it? not sure i'll try to figure this out on my own
2022-07-13 12:16:31	raster	either way - it's not a software problem i reckon from what you describe right now
2022-07-13 12:16:38	raster	its the cat ... or mechanical :)
2022-07-13 12:44:19	lolok	can you expand /tmp without remounting it?
2022-07-13 12:52:10	lolok	nvm
2022-07-13 12:53:26	MrElendig	lolok: hotplug more ram
2022-07-13 12:54:17	lolok	df -h
2022-07-13 12:54:49	lolok	for the record, 8gb is not enough space to compile the arch linux kernel, now you know
2022-07-13 13:00:10	MrElendig	lolok: don't compile in /tmp
2022-07-13 13:00:15	MrElendig	problem solved
2022-07-13 13:02:00	lolok	then you have the choice of wearing out your ssd writing things you intend to delete or waiting on spinning rust
2022-07-13 13:02:18	MrElendig	no
2022-07-13 13:02:31	MrElendig	the wear is next to nothing unless you are on a sd card or similar
2022-07-13 13:02:54	MrElendig	it really doesn't matter
2022-07-13 13:05:06	lolok	for one compile, yes, but the damage is cumulative, every little bit hurts just a little bit more, it adds up
2022-07-13 13:06:33	MrElendig	it *really* doesn't matter
2022-07-13 13:07:05	wunit	your SSD will likely die due to some other mechanical failure before
2022-07-13 13:08:00	MacGyver	electrical*
2022-07-13 13:08:02	MacGyver	But yes.
2022-07-13 13:08:20	MacGyver	(No moving parts, it's going to be some resistor burning out or similar)
2022-07-13 13:08:57	MrElendig	sidenote: modern hdds often have lower lifespan ratings than even cheap ssds
2022-07-13 13:09:23	MrElendig	(specially relative to size)
2022-07-13 13:09:57	artefact	ssds are more likely to have firmware bugs
2022-07-13 13:10:34	MrElendig	and anyway, you doing possibly 10gb worth of writes when your ssd have a lifespan rating for 300TB or better.....
2022-07-13 13:10:40	MrElendig	of*
2022-07-13 13:10:52	MrElendig	there are quite a few 0's between those numbers :p
2022-07-13 13:12:40	lolok	i have 50 gb of just pk3 files for quake based games, dont gas me, i run thru storage like that with files that i actually intend to keep around for more than until whaqtever program using them is done
2022-07-13 13:12:59	MrElendig	my 250gb samsung 830 which have been abused since 2012 is still going strong
2022-07-13 13:13:46	MrElendig	lolok: reading causes basically 0 wear
2022-07-13 13:14:09	lolok	yes, thats what i want to keep, files that i intend to read more than once xD
2022-07-13 13:14:15	MrElendig	and people have benchmarked ssds to death, and several datacenters have released stats on ssd lifetime
2022-07-13 13:14:25	MrElendig	and they are usually a lot more reliable than expected
2022-07-13 13:15:26	artefact	8gb might be enough if you use zram and shave down most device support from linux
2022-07-13 13:15:42	lolok	and id get the one thats DOA
2022-07-13 13:15:50	lolok	just my luck
2022-07-13 13:15:55	artefact	mine uses 10g disk space on btrfs compress-force=zstd, but that's with most modules enabled
2022-07-13 13:17:18	artefact	might shave a gig or two with -msingle, but not worth it
2022-07-13 13:41:19	linsux	is aur down?
2022-07-13 13:41:43	demonicmaniac1	to be fair it's still 4k random writes that kill any ssd and not large sequential writes
2022-07-13 13:42:08	lambda	linsux: aurweb seems to be, yes
2022-07-13 13:42:16	lambda	git works (though slow as ever)
2022-07-13 13:42:50	Tom^	demonicmaniac1: i think ive personally just busted the myth of "killing" ssds with normal usage. my poor ass 60tb ssd corsair 3 force series has been written countless TB and ive not cared the slightest and its still going strong :p
2022-07-13 13:42:53	linsux	aur can be down too? that's new to me
2022-07-13 13:43:02	Tom^	demonicmaniac1: normal desktop usage and your computer is to old before the ssd dies :D
2022-07-13 13:43:39	demonicmaniac1	Tom^: for sure just saying write amplification is still a thing also old ssds were mlc or slc and not qlc which also matters and whether dram cache or not
2022-07-13 13:44:02	demonicmaniac1	if you write constant endless 4k it WILL die if you write mostly sequential and few hundred mb random a day it won't
2022-07-13 13:44:22	lambda	linsux: it's not made of magic pixie dust that never breaks
2022-07-13 13:44:37	demonicmaniac1	you can probably kill a no dram cache qlc/tlc ssd that's like 90% full in a few years that way
2022-07-13 13:45:12	Tom^	demonicmaniac1: "few years" have your GPU running a benchmark for a few years constantly will probably break that aswell, its all just overhyped imo :P
2022-07-13 13:45:28	jelly	well that's why it has TBW / DWPD declared
2022-07-13 13:45:59	jelly	it's not countless :-)
2022-07-13 13:45:59	demonicmaniac1	yes and no it really depends simply. especially on old small ssds like 60gb it was easy to reach the tbw and when they had no dram cache
2022-07-13 13:46:17	demonicmaniac1	modern 128gb ssds tlc i also wouldn't trust dramless
2022-07-13 13:46:27	demonicmaniac1	500gb and up though unless 99% full i would not worry about ever
2022-07-13 13:47:06	jelly	I leave 10-15% unpartitioned/unformatted just to be safe
2022-07-13 13:47:08	demonicmaniac1	and only worry in terms of hammering it with plenty of git checkouts/commits etc daily i mean not "normal" desktop usage
2022-07-13 13:47:59	jelly	if I had to worry about lots and lots of 4k writes I'd probably look at filesystems types that aggregatre those into log structures.  f2fs?
2022-07-13 13:48:35	demonicmaniac1	still have my og 240gb intel ssd in the t430 too like 10 years old now
2022-07-13 13:48:38	Tom^	or just use it until it breaks, gives you the opportunity to buy something new and fancy. but it probably wont break.
2022-07-13 13:48:55	Tom^	demonicmaniac1: heh yeah my x230 runs the corsair force 3 one :p
2022-07-13 13:49:29	Tom^	demonicmaniac1: and funnily enough i smacked in a 120gb intel ssd in this acer just as a ~/dev/ dir where i do git checkouts/pull/commits etc also have my swap there
2022-07-13 13:49:33	demonicmaniac1	and for relatives who just do outlook and a bit of word maybe 10 minutes of computer usage a day i also still get cheap tlc drives 120gb :D
2022-07-13 13:49:38	⚡ 	jelly looks at the OCZ Vertex 3 in its 10th year 
2022-07-13 13:50:00	jelly	MLC, the old days when they only put 2 bits into a cell!
2022-07-13 13:50:28	Tom^	and to be fair, over the ages since ive bought all these shit ass ssds the only disks that has broken for me is the HDD ones, two WD red ones. one black.
2022-07-13 13:50:37	Tom^	so uh yeah, overhyped. :P
2022-07-13 13:51:08	jelly	Power on time: 3283 days, 16 hours Total written: 45.33 TB # perhaps I'm not a horrible owner to that SSD
2022-07-13 13:51:46	edgy	Hi all, is this so-called advanced optimus supported in linux? I couldn't find any thing in the documentation
2022-07-13 13:52:26	demonicmaniac1	249 NAND_Writes_1GiB        0x0013   100   100   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       19017
2022-07-13 13:52:44	demonicmaniac1	so only 19tb written i guess heh
2022-07-13 13:52:55	jelly	hdsentinel has a lots more friendly output than smartctl
2022-07-13 13:53:12	jelle	edgy: what is advanced optimus?
2022-07-13 13:53:29	HuntsMan	aur is down?
2022-07-13 13:53:55	linsux	yes
2022-07-13 13:53:58	edgy	jelle: nvidia cards feature allowing you to switch the integrated graphics off without a reboot
2022-07-13 13:54:31	linsux	and there's no schedule how long the maintenance of aur will be
2022-07-13 13:54:41	edgy	jelle: https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5097/~/nvidia-advanced-optimus-overview
2022-07-13 13:54:43	phrik	Title: NVIDIA Advanced Optimus Overview | NVIDIA (at nvidia.custhelp.com)
2022-07-13 13:54:47	HuntsMan	linsux: ok thanks
2022-07-13 13:54:48	jelle	linsux: HuntsMan not down just overloaded
2022-07-13 13:55:17	lambda	what hot new package just dropped?
2022-07-13 13:55:35	jelle	none?
2022-07-13 13:55:53	lambda	aww
2022-07-13 13:56:25	demonicmaniac1	oh naur, poor aur
2022-07-13 13:56:29	artefact	maybe manjaro is at it again
2022-07-13 14:06:33	lolok	welp guess i wont be trying the other kernels for a while in that case
2022-07-13 14:06:52	jelle	in what case?
2022-07-13 14:07:00	demonicmaniac1	jelle: boo hdsentinel is closed source?
2022-07-13 14:07:26	jelle	what is hdsentinel?
2022-07-13 14:09:42	demonicmaniac1	oh errrr
2022-07-13 14:09:46	demonicmaniac1	jelly: 
2022-07-13 14:09:51	demonicmaniac1	sowwwwwwy >.<
2022-07-13 14:11:47	lolok	in case i cant get them from the aur
2022-07-13 14:11:59	jelle	lolok: it's back
2022-07-13 14:12:04	lolok	sweet
2022-07-13 14:45:24	jelly	demonicmaniac1, yes it's closed source but works better than smartctl in some situations (usb-sata bridges, SD cards) and it has a nice (if completely bogus and synthetic) health value in percents
2022-07-13 15:46:09	lolok	reboot again wish me luck
2022-07-13 16:10:24	abrer	Noob question - is there a standard way to suppress the "$USER has quit/joined" messages? or is that dependent on my IRC client?
2022-07-13 16:11:14	bea	usually dependent on client
2022-07-13 16:14:51	lolok	nothing, well at least i got to see what it was like to run csgo at higher a fps than refresh rate, if only once
2022-07-13 16:15:16	abrer	@bea - Thanks for the heads up. For any other users on weechat: https://weechat.org/files/doc/devel/weechat_faq.en.html#filter_irc_join_part_quit
2022-07-13 16:15:17	phrik	Title: WeeChat FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (at weechat.org)
2022-07-13 16:18:49	MrElendig	abrer: /help filter
2022-07-13 16:20:45	abrer	MrElendig: sweet, thanks!
2022-07-13 17:02:46	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-13 17:23:22	lolok	does anyone else have an rx6500xt and can confirm its working on the current kernel?
2022-07-13 17:24:02	GreyXor	lolok not the RX6500XT but and RDNA2 equivalent, working like a charm
2022-07-13 17:24:16	GreyXor	I'm on testing tho
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2022-07-13 17:37:13	lolok	`pacman -Q linux-firmware`?
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2022-07-13 17:43:25	MacGyver	Why is the kernel spamming my log with "Jul 13 17:42:35 gerber kernel: r8169 0000:02:00.0 enp2s0f0: Link is Down"...
2022-07-13 17:43:35	MacGyver	It's not as though I'm asking it to do anything with it...
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2022-07-13 17:44:09	MacGyver	Oh, hah.
2022-07-13 17:44:25	MacGyver	Apparently powertop somehow causes that >.<
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2022-07-13 17:53:24	Vorpal	so, I figured out my bluetooth mouse issue from the other day. I need to set AutoEnable=true in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf. This is apparently a different thing than rfkill.
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2022-07-13 18:01:29	⚡ 	mingdao makes a note in case he gets a new bt mouse
2022-07-13 18:03:16	Vorpal	mingdao: the issue was that it didn't work until I had logged in once
2022-07-13 18:03:24	Vorpal	graphical login that is
2022-07-13 18:03:35	mingdao	The only bt mouse left here is broken in some way.
2022-07-13 18:03:51	mingdao	One day it should be replaced.
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2022-07-13 18:07:06	Renf	Hello! (:
2022-07-13 18:07:53	ℹ 	coredotbin es conocido ahora como cbarts
2022-07-13 18:08:23	◣	Oromion (~Oromion@190.237.32.14) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2022-07-13 18:08:37	Renf	I'm currently using three monitors on a dual dedicated GPU setup. I'd like to know, is there a way to run a program with a specific GPU?
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2022-07-13 18:09:51	HuntsMan	Renf: yes but that depends on the framework/app you use
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2022-07-13 18:10:27	Renf	Currently all I did was set my monitors and my drivers on xorg.conf
2022-07-13 18:10:37	Renf	I can share the xorg.conf if that'd be helpful
2022-07-13 18:10:44	HuntsMan	 what exactly do you want to use the GPU for?
2022-07-13 18:11:27	Renf	Gaming. Right now I'm trying to test games under Wine but I also plan on doing Steam eventually
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2022-07-13 18:17:39	lolok	gonna try linux-firmware-git, wish me luck, again
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2022-07-13 19:11:29	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-07-13 19:11:29	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1437 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1436 normals)
2022-07-13 18:29:39	MrElendig	why not run all 3 off the same gpu?
2022-07-13 18:47:00	lolok	well lts just got an update guess thats next
2022-07-13 18:53:01	externalserver15	hello
2022-07-13 18:53:21	externalserver15	I probably did press "no longer display" on NetworkManager notification, how to undo it?
2022-07-13 18:56:02	LordRishav	externalserver15: What desktop environment do you use
2022-07-13 18:56:12	externalserver15	LXDE
2022-07-13 18:56:24	externalserver15	and notification-daemon
2022-07-13 19:04:27	externalserver15	hi deckard
2022-07-13 19:04:36	externalserver15	are you the same deckard as on Uplink community?
2022-07-13 19:05:02	deckard	different deckard lol
2022-07-13 19:05:18	externalserver15	and there was one more deckard on digdeeper's community
2022-07-13 19:11:33	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-13 19:23:36	grawity	gsettings reset org.gnome.nm-applet disable-connected-notifications
2022-07-13 19:23:49	grawity	or just, dconf reset -f /org/gnome/nm-applet/
2022-07-13 19:24:24	Manouchehri	I'm having a brain freeze, what's a sane way of getting qemu to use a tun interface?
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2022-07-13 19:25:01	MrElendig	Manouchehri: by using libvirt :p
2022-07-13 19:25:28	grawity	you can't use tun interfaces for ethernet, you need tap interfaces for that
2022-07-13 19:25:42	Manouchehri	MrElendig: I mean sure, but yeah that still doesn't help with tun :P 
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2022-07-13 19:27:04	Manouchehri	grawity: I guess I have to do NAT? It seems so overkill for basically just needing to strip an ethernet header off and on
2022-07-13 19:27:15	grawity	what is the thing that you're trying to set up?
2022-07-13 19:27:42	grawity	are you talking about making qemu use a tun interface that *another program* is connected to?
2022-07-13 19:28:08	Manouchehri	yes, I already have a tun interface created that another program routes traffic to/from :) 
2022-07-13 19:28:22	grawity	yeah, then it's not going to work that way
2022-07-13 19:28:41	Manouchehri	I can do like `curl google.com` and such in my isolated namespace and it goes over the tun0 interface because I've added the tun0 interface as the default route.
2022-07-13 19:29:10	grawity	you can't make qemu "use" a tun (or even tap) interface that's already driven by something else on the back end -- it has to go through the whole network stack
2022-07-13 19:29:58	grawity	like curl does, etc
2022-07-13 19:30:18	grawity	so just put qemu in that isolated namespace, or make it create a tap interface and move *that* into the namespace
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2022-07-13 19:30:35	grawity	and then figure out NAT or proxy-ARP
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2022-07-13 19:32:13	Manouchehri	curious, how would I do it with proxy-ARP? I know more or less how to do it with NAT, but ew, NAT.
2022-07-13 19:32:42	jenkins	backlight utilities like brillo and light should let me adjust the backlight if I'm part of the 'video' group, as per udev rules
2022-07-13 19:32:58	grawity	jenkins: as per which udev rules
2022-07-13 19:33:01	jenkins	now I am part of the video group but I still get permission denied
2022-07-13 19:33:10	Manouchehri	jenkins: did you log out and back in?
2022-07-13 19:33:20	jenkins	yes, but I'll try again
2022-07-13 19:33:27	externalserver15	will see if it works
2022-07-13 19:33:40	grawity	hmm in this case you don't really need proxy-ARP much
2022-07-13 19:33:49	jenkins	stil doesn't work Manouchehri 
2022-07-13 19:34:08	jenkins	I did not add myself to the group now though, I was in the video group already
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2022-07-13 19:34:27	grawity	unassign the IP address from tun0, assign it to the VM, make sure the host kernel routes it via the qemu tap0 interface
2022-07-13 19:34:52	grawity	well, you still need something that'd respond to ARP that could be set up as the default gateway on the VM
2022-07-13 19:36:10	Manouchehri	ooooo I think I'm starting to see this.
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2022-07-13 19:40:23	jenkins	maybe I could get xbacklight to work...
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2022-07-13 19:42:20	raster	jenkins: that will only work with the intel xf86 driver. not modesetting etc.
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2022-07-13 19:43:20	crendel	Any recommendations for tracking down which process on a headless server is causing a system hang (OOM or accidental fork bomb, not sure) after a few hours/days of uptime? (system entirely unresponsive after freeze until manual power cycling, and local logging stops or isn’t flushed to disk). I’d love to avoid the “disable services one-by-one and wait” strategy if possible… is there a
2022-07-13 19:43:22	crendel	more informative option than just setting up journald to log externally or dumping resource usage every few seconds to disk?
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2022-07-13 19:44:14	gehidore	push live log stream to a remote
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2022-07-13 19:44:21	gehidore	see if you can catch anything
2022-07-13 19:44:39	jenkins	alright, turns out the intel driver was not installed
2022-07-13 19:44:47	grawity	set a lower TasksMax on suspect units so that they couldn't forkbomb anything but themselves
2022-07-13 19:45:03	jenkins	solved now
2022-07-13 19:45:26	grawity	does it not even respond to alt+sysrq stuff?
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2022-07-13 19:46:16	crendel	@gehidore @grawity: thanks! was thinking the same, but just wanted to confirm there wasn't some silver bullet tool i'd overlooked :)
2022-07-13 19:46:35	crendel	@grawity: the server is at my parents' so I only have occasional local access :( 
2022-07-13 19:47:02	grawity	upgrade to a server that has IPMI, or hack up a serial console from a rpi
2022-07-13 19:47:22	crendel	oh that's a great idea with the pi!
2022-07-13 19:48:19	grawity	one of our..."servers" was originally a beefed up desktop, so it has no iLO/IPMI, but I found a serial port header, bought a USB-to-RS232 adapter, and connected it to a spare Routerboard AP
2022-07-13 19:48:24	grawity	it does the job, mostly
2022-07-13 19:48:44	crendel	for now i'll just stream the journal remotely. mom will have to live without music for a bit :P
2022-07-13 19:48:47	grawity	you can't powercycle it obviously, but you can send alt+sysrq using the 'break' signal
2022-07-13 19:49:01	grawity	the kernel also has built-in UDP logging via "netconsole" but I haven't looked into that yet
2022-07-13 19:49:08	colo	crendel, do you have a second system around on the server's local network? if so, set up netconsole between the two. maybe it shows the problem.
2022-07-13 19:49:46	crendel	oh that's fantastic. I've never gotten around to using a serial interface. sounds useful (and fun hah)
2022-07-13 19:50:05	colo	I write a trivial netconsole receiver recently in lua, for use on OpenWrt (but not exclusively): https://johannes.truschnigg.info/gitweb/?p=netconsole-rx
2022-07-13 19:50:14	grawity	oh, and don't forget to enable sysrq via sysctl https://paste.rs/nhi
2022-07-13 19:50:20	colo	you can also set up socat or most syslogds to receive netconsole traffic
2022-07-13 19:51:58	crendel	@colo: thank you! i have a pi on the network so I could get that running
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2022-07-13 19:52:29	crendel	next time i visit I'll grab a rs232 adapter for it as well
2022-07-13 19:52:37	crendel	@grawity: thank you!
2022-07-13 19:52:51	crendel	you all are amazing, love this community
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2022-07-13 20:33:55	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-14 17:07:25	ℹ 	Tema establecido por Namarrgon el vie, 06 may 2022 01:12:11
2022-07-14 17:07:25	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1432 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1431 normals)
2022-07-14 17:07:27	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-07-14 17:07:29	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-07-14 17:07:29	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-14 17:09:51	chazy	are privilege escalation attacks common in arch?
2022-07-14 17:10:54	◥	YuutaW (~YuutaW@mail.yuuta.moe) has joined #archlinux
2022-07-14 17:11:02	lolok	chazy heres the numbers https://security.archlinux.org/stats idk how you define common
2022-07-14 17:11:15	MrElendig	chazy: as common as in any other distro
2022-07-14 17:11:28	MrElendig	relative to the use case
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2022-07-14 17:11:48	MrElendig	not many servers runs arch, and server are usually the main target so..
2022-07-14 17:11:59	MrElendig	(nor corporate desktops)
2022-07-14 17:12:06	chazy	all my servers run arch :)
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2022-07-14 17:15:00	davve	nothing mission critical, I hope
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2022-07-14 17:16:33	MrElendig	davve: hey, they monitoring of the smart fridge is mission critical
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2022-07-14 17:17:47	davve	yes, wouldnt want to run out of oatly;)
2022-07-14 17:18:04	MacGyver	Oh my server is plenty mission-critical.
2022-07-14 17:18:10	MacGyver	But it still runs Arch.
2022-07-14 17:18:42	MacGyver	lolok: Ah yeah, if it used to state that that was the proper or implied the only way, that's wrong.
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2022-07-14 17:23:47	sealsrock12	do your servers have an auto-update script or something like that?
2022-07-14 17:24:24	sealsrock12	MacGyver
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2022-07-14 17:27:19	MacGyver	No.
2022-07-14 17:27:36	MacGyver	Note I said server, not servers.
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2022-07-14 17:27:53	MacGyver	BUt I consider my personal e-mail and calendar and webserver and accounting plenty mission critical.
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2022-07-14 17:30:32	susi	I have a tiny USB stick with rescue-Arch always attached to this laptop in case of catastrophic failure, and keep the hub/port unbound from kernel when there's no need for it
2022-07-14 17:30:39	susi	and even my ext4 is unjournaled :>
2022-07-14 17:30:54	smallville7123_	welp this works :)           bash -c "sed 's/# %wheel ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL/%wheel ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL\n\nDefaults env_keep += \"EDITOR\"/g' /etc/sudoers > /etc/sudoers.new ; export EDITOR=\"cp /etc/sudoers.new\" ; visudo ; rm /etc/sudoers.new"
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2022-07-14 17:31:56	MrElendig	ansible sudoers module
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2022-07-14 17:32:11	MrElendig	or just include it in your image to begin with
2022-07-14 17:32:39	MrElendig	keeping EDITOR may lead to fun, as a sidenote
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2022-07-14 17:32:52	zan	what kind of fun?
2022-07-14 17:33:29	MrElendig	zan: broken/exploited kind of fun
2022-07-14 17:33:44	smallville7123_	oof
2022-07-14 17:33:51	susi	what's point of that EDITOR="cp /etc/sudoers.new"
2022-07-14 17:33:53	zan	any examples, helps me understand
2022-07-14 17:34:01	smallville7123_	how else can i make `sudo visudo` use nano instead of visudo ?
2022-07-14 17:34:09	smallville7123_	instead of vi *
2022-07-14 17:34:22	smallville7123_	susi: copies the new file back using visudo
2022-07-14 17:34:30	zan	smallville7123_: to just enable the wheel group,   sed -i 's/^# %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL$/%wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL/' /etc/sudoers
2022-07-14 17:34:31	astralc	set EDITOR
2022-07-14 17:34:42	astralc	or set it in sudoers
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2022-07-14 17:34:51	MrElendig	provide it explicitly
2022-07-14 17:35:02	smallville7123_	how can i set it in sudoers
2022-07-14 17:35:13	susi	but EDITOR="cp /etc/sudoers.new", I don't get it
2022-07-14 17:35:15	MrElendig	but, why are you using visudo by hand in the first place?
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2022-07-14 17:36:14	susi	EDITOR=nano visudo works for me
2022-07-14 17:36:20	MacGyver	smallville7123_: I've got "Defaults editor="/usr/bin/vim", !env_editor" in sudoers, but I'll be honest, it's been too long for me to remember what ,!env_editor does.
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2022-07-14 17:36:40	smallville7123_	alright
2022-07-14 17:36:42	astralc	smallville7123_: something like Defaults editor=/usr/bin/nano
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2022-07-14 17:37:02	astralc	in the file (when you editing it with visudo of course)
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2022-07-14 17:37:46	astralc	"sudo EDITOR=nano visudo" will also work
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2022-07-14 17:38:25	Deadly_Alive	susi: have you tried `micro` it's an updated version of nano
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2022-07-14 17:39:02	agsv	it occured to me that when I pacman update my laptop after not using it for like a month every now and then the first attempt always fails because I didn't update the new archlinux keyring before verifying the other packages in the update. is there anything more sophisitecated to do besides having a script that `pacman -Sy && pacman -S archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su`?
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2022-07-14 17:39:29	another|	Deadly_Alive: updated in what way?
2022-07-14 17:39:43	agsv	just package upgrade stuff wise
2022-07-14 17:39:50	agsv	talkig about pacman
2022-07-14 17:39:51	astralc	Deadly_Alive: it is not, it have similar ideas/use, but it behave different enough
2022-07-14 17:40:05	smallville7123_	how do i manually download and install https://archlinux.org/packages/community/any/reflector/ vis pacman so i can generate the mirror list
2022-07-14 17:40:06	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - reflector 2021.11-3 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2022-07-14 17:40:10	smallville7123_	via*
2022-07-14 17:40:19	MrElendig	smallville7123_: don't, just handpick some mirrors
2022-07-14 17:40:47	◣	b0b (~bob@user/b0b) ha salido (Quit: o/)
2022-07-14 17:41:01	Deadly_Alive	syntax highlighting, line numbering, better keyboard shortcut keys like cntrl+c = copy
2022-07-14 17:41:08	◣	Jry (~Jry@user/Jry) ha salido (Quit: Client closed)
2022-07-14 17:41:19	another|	urg. no thanks
2022-07-14 17:41:26	MrElendig	micro is nothing like nano
2022-07-14 17:41:28	zan	for anyone wondering why env_keep is not recommended, "potential vulnerability of running arbitrary code as root if an untrusted process sets EDITOR in the user's environment"
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2022-07-14 17:41:54	zan	smartassess can't write that out :D
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2022-07-14 17:42:07	another|	besides, I have all that in nano
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2022-07-14 17:42:44	MrElendig	zan: not paid to write that out, and the security issue is not the only one
2022-07-14 17:43:03	MrElendig	zan: fancy ide/editors doesn't silly things is not uncommon
2022-07-14 17:43:14	MrElendig	doing*
2022-07-14 17:43:15	◣	imlonghao (~imlonghao@user/imlonghao) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2022-07-14 17:43:18	zan	MrElendig: no need to write now
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2022-07-14 17:43:28	astralc	nano have syntax highlighting, linter support, autoformatting, multi file editing
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2022-07-14 17:43:44	astralc	so nano is very good
2022-07-14 17:43:48	astralc	.... but vim better
2022-07-14 17:44:28	another|	nano is fine until you need features like code folding
2022-07-14 17:44:52	zan	and language servers
2022-07-14 17:46:10	another|	meh. no language server for asm anyway
2022-07-14 17:46:32	zan	I see asm_lsp in neovim
2022-07-14 17:46:34	MrElendig	another|: but tehre is
2022-07-14 17:46:52	MrElendig	several even, though most of them are pay to play
2022-07-14 17:46:57	another|	oh really? I just assumed, didn't check
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2022-07-14 17:48:19	⚡ 	MrElendig has an pic clone where the software bundle for it does come with a lsp, provided as a single binary with a pin code to use >_>
2022-07-14 17:48:33	MrElendig	thank you chinese pic clone company!
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2022-07-14 17:49:15	MrElendig	said code is provided in the readme file right next to the binary though, so pretty useless :p
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2022-07-14 17:50:19	MrElendig	also included: a really suspicious copy of vscode
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2022-07-14 17:52:17	astralc	who you trust more? shady chinese company, or microsoft?
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2022-07-14 17:55:18	MrElendig	microsoft
2022-07-14 17:55:36	smallville7123_	is this bad?
2022-07-14 17:55:39	smallville7123_	failed to rate rsync download (rsync://archlinux.thaller.ws/archlinux/community/os/x86_64/community.db): Download timed out after 5 second(s).
2022-07-14 17:55:51	MrElendig	why are you using rsync?
2022-07-14 17:56:05	smallville7123_	im doing       reflector --latest 10 --sort rate
2022-07-14 17:56:24	MrElendig	only enable https
2022-07-14 17:56:34	MrElendig	and reflector is just not that great
2022-07-14 17:57:08	smallville7123_	is there anything better?
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2022-07-14 17:57:29	smallville7123_	oof      failed to rate http(s) download (https://mirror.f4st.host
2022-07-14 17:57:29	phrik	Title: Index of / (at mirror.f4st.host)
2022-07-14 17:57:35	MrElendig	handpick a couple of mirrors close to you
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2022-07-14 17:58:25	MrElendig	that is not a valid mirror url
2022-07-14 17:58:52	smallville7123_	failed to rate http(s) download (https://mirror.f4st.host/archlinux/community/os/x86_64/community.db): Download timed out after 5 second(s).
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2022-07-14 17:59:27	smallville7123_	is it simply because community.db takes more than 5 seconds to download?
2022-07-14 17:59:46	zan	smallville7123_: this is the script I use, and it runs every time the pacman-mirrorlist package is updated https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=255551
2022-07-14 17:59:46	phrik	Title: Minimal pacman mirrorlist maintenance / Community Contributions / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-14 18:02:11	⚡ 	MrElendig ignores the mirrorlist until the current configured mirror breaks
2022-07-14 18:02:47	smallville7123_	:)
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2022-07-14 18:03:22	MrElendig	its years between each time I have to touch it
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2022-07-14 18:03:56	astralc	MrElendig: so how do you choose after it break?
2022-07-14 18:04:35	MrElendig	https://archlinux.org/mirrors/status/ https://archlinux.org/mirrorlist/
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2022-07-14 18:07:58	cousin_luigi	Greetings.
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2022-07-14 18:08:08	cousin_luigi	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/lm_sensors#Adding_DIMM_Temperature_sensors I can't quite understand the bit about i2cdetect here.
2022-07-14 18:08:09	phrik	Title: lm_sensors - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-14 18:08:56	cousin_luigi	How does one calculate the offset?
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2022-07-14 18:09:30	MrElendig	someone might have done the work for you already
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2022-07-14 18:10:17	MrElendig	also, sure you have an offset?
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2022-07-14 18:17:23	jaawerth	smallville7123: ymmv but for what it's worth I usually use --country and --score to limit the candidates and sort by rate. score will (roughly, so I don't know how reliable it TRULY is, but generally works fine for me) factors in delay, completion, and standard deviation so it'll rule out ones that are super out of date, failing, etc
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2022-07-14 18:20:13	MrElendig	a quick glance on the history of the chosen mirror on the mirror status page can be useful
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2022-07-14 19:07:30	smallville7123	ok i got the installation working now :)
2022-07-14 19:08:17	smallville7123	https://github.com/mgood7123/WSL-Ubuntu-ArchLinux-CHROOT/blob/main/arch_install.sh
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2022-07-14 19:09:35	mefistofeles	smallville7123: what's that?
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2022-07-14 19:10:59	zan	a heart attack
2022-07-14 19:11:22	zan	but congrats on getting it going! :P
2022-07-14 19:12:00	smallville7123	zan: oof
2022-07-14 19:12:13	smallville7123	mefistofeles: installs a working ArchLinux chroot in a Windows Linux Subsystem Ubuntu distro
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2022-07-14 19:12:49	mefistofeles	wow, ok
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2022-07-14 19:13:02	mefistofeles	smallville7123: is there a special reason why you need such a thing?
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2022-07-14 19:14:06	smallville7123	can proba be used on a normal Ubuntu distro too :)
2022-07-14 19:14:09	smallville7123	probs*
2022-07-14 19:14:12	Betal	smallville7123: about line 43, I think it would be better to use https://geo.mirror.pkgbuild.com/iso/latest/ as the link to download arch, so it will download 'latest', and using geo mirrors
2022-07-14 19:14:13	phrik	Title: Index of /iso/latest/ (at geo.mirror.pkgbuild.com)
2022-07-14 19:14:42	smallville7123	Betal: alright
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2022-07-14 19:16:47	smallville7123	mefistofeles: cus archlinux for WSL does not exist yet
2022-07-14 19:17:23	smallville7123	also im using remote view desktop for graphics
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2022-07-14 19:19:47	smallville7123	which i have no idea how to setup in a normal WSL distro
2022-07-14 19:20:08	smallville7123	but XORG works :)
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2022-07-14 19:25:44	smallville7123	anyway
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2022-07-14 19:29:40	smallville7123	how do i create a third-party package repository for AUR
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2022-07-14 19:30:42	jkc	smallville7123: Have you tried reading BASIC WSL documentation?
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2022-07-14 19:31:36	jkc	You don't need to chroot arch in an Ubuntu WSL instance.
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2022-07-14 19:37:07	smallville7123	jkc: yes but i dont wanna try to setup the graphics server + xorg + whatever else is required for it to run
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2022-07-14 19:38:39	smallville7123	mainly all the stuff for Windows Remote Desktop Connection and XOrg
2022-07-14 19:39:01	jkc	smallville7123: It's no different than any other Arch deployment.
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2022-07-14 19:43:58	jkc	I am going to point out that it's pretty silly to assert that an Arch chroot in Ubuntu is somehow easier than just... Arch rootfs, which is already downloadable, import, install xorg.
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2022-07-14 19:47:07	smallville7123	which is https://github.com/mgood7123/kWSL
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2022-07-14 19:54:45	jkc	That's for WSL1.
2022-07-14 19:54:52	jkc	On WSL2, you don't need anything extra.
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2022-07-14 19:55:14	jkc	So maybe don't use random shit from github, and instead, look things up.
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2022-07-14 19:57:36	smallville7123	still
2022-07-14 20:00:00	jkc	Still what? You're going about this the worst way possible. If that's how you do, then go for it.
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2022-07-14 20:03:15	smallville7123	:)
2022-07-14 20:04:56	smallville7123	what kind of repositories on AUR and other arch repo's host binary packages ?
2022-07-14 20:05:17	Namarrgon	the AUR is not a package repo, as you have been told this morning
2022-07-14 20:05:36	Namarrgon	people also explained how to create and host your own repo
2022-07-14 20:06:53	ℹ 	kplant_ es conocido ahora como kplant
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2022-07-14 20:08:15	mefistofeles	jkc: so, one would be doing something like this instead? https://michaelschaecher.github.io/2022-01-09-Installing-Arch-on-WSL2/ 
2022-07-14 20:08:17	phrik	Title: Installing Arch on WSL2 the Right Way (at michaelschaecher.github.io)
2022-07-14 20:08:36	mefistofeles	I don't use wsl or windows, but I'm just curious
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2022-07-14 20:14:28	jkc	There's a ton of stuff there you can omit, too.
2022-07-14 20:14:54	smallville7123	mefistofeles: interesting
2022-07-14 20:15:01	jkc	Just download the bootstrap tarball from the same directory that the ISOs are in. You'll have to extract and recompress the tarball to move everything out of the root directory into the top-level, then just import it.
2022-07-14 20:15:20	jkc	After that? Set a mirror, pacman-key init/populate, and off you go.
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2022-07-14 20:17:09	smallville7123_	mefistofeles: might be 1 step closer to having a fully functional linux distro natively inside Windows :)
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2022-07-14 20:19:12	smallville7123_	as systemd is a big problem that (i think) stops most of linux from working correctly on WSL, as a lot of stuff depend on systemd and related services, right?
2022-07-14 20:20:07	smallville7123_	as almost ALL linux distros boot with systemd
2022-07-14 20:20:48	blackpill0w	hi
2022-07-14 20:20:57	smallville7123_	i did try geanie to get systemd to boot up but that didnt work
2022-07-14 20:21:05	NetSysFire	!give blackpill0w welcomerpg
2022-07-14 20:21:07	phrik	blackpill0w: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how many .pacnew files you ignored.
2022-07-14 20:21:19	susi	that was good
2022-07-14 20:21:26	blackpill0w	phrik: w-what's that?
2022-07-14 20:21:26	phrik	blackpill0w: No idea
2022-07-14 20:21:34	NetSysFire	!give blackpill0w aw pacnew
2022-07-14 20:21:35	phrik	blackpill0w: Pacnew and Pacsave Files - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacnew_and_Pacsave_Files
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2022-07-14 20:22:00	artefact	!assss
2022-07-14 20:22:00	phrik	Most problems can be created by installing Arch
2022-07-14 20:22:29	jkc	smallville7123_: Except genie does work. So there's that.
2022-07-14 20:23:25	smallville7123_	jkc: i had problems getting it to work :)
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2022-07-14 20:24:00	smallville7123_	is     git clone ssh://aur@aur.archlinux.org/pkgbase.git      for hosting a package repository for a single package?
2022-07-14 20:24:28	blackpill0w	i have a question guys
2022-07-14 20:24:51	another|	Is it the same as in #linux ?
2022-07-14 20:24:53	cousin_luigi	MrElendig: I don't see the same values as in the example.
2022-07-14 20:24:54	blackpill0w	so I have swap enabled, and i formatted the swap partition so the uuid changed, and on boot it still looks for the old uuid (which is logical), how can i change that?
2022-07-14 20:25:28	smallville7123_	blackpill0w: fstab
2022-07-14 20:25:37	another|	as was said over there
2022-07-14 20:25:40	smallville7123_	look in /ect/fstab file
2022-07-14 20:26:19	blackpill0w	smallville7123_: thank you! that's the file I was looking for
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2022-07-14 20:26:49	NetSysFire	depending on your setup it may also be in your kernel commandline
2022-07-14 20:27:25	blackpill0w	another|: no one mentioned my name so I thought they weren't talking to me
2022-07-14 20:27:27	smallville7123_	is     git clone ssh://aur@aur.archlinux.org/pkgbase.git      for hosting a package repository for a single package? eg, bash would have its own `local Git repository` and `ssh://aur@aur.archlinux.org/pkgbase.git` thing, but WILL NOT host the binary package itself that pacman can install, right?
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2022-07-14 20:27:56	smallville7123_	eg it is only for the PKGBUILD
2022-07-14 20:28:59	another|	...
2022-07-14 20:30:07	another|	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Custom_local_repository
2022-07-14 20:30:08	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-14 20:31:08	smallville7123_	eg it is technically a "package repository" as per https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR_submission_guidelines#Creating_package_repositories     but it is not intended for actual binary packages
2022-07-14 20:31:10	phrik	Title: AUR submission guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-14 20:31:24	◣	d_garbage (~free@user/d-garbage/x-2624314) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2022-07-14 20:31:45	artefact	it's a pkgbuild repository. similar to port trees
2022-07-14 20:31:50	Namarrgon	PKGBUILDs are not packages
2022-07-14 20:31:50	◣	BillyZane (~BillyZane@185.202.221.99) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-07-14 20:32:13	Namarrgon	you're confusing yourself and everyone else by mixing the terms
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2022-07-14 20:35:11	smallville7123_	would it be something like these? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unofficial_user_repositories
2022-07-14 20:35:13	phrik	Title: Unofficial user repositories - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-14 20:36:35	Namarrgon	yes, these are binary pacman/package repositories
2022-07-14 20:36:35	smallville7123_	oh, they contain PKGBUILD files :/         "often providing pre-built versions of PKGBUILDS found in the AUR."  where can i find these `pre-built` versions?
2022-07-14 20:36:45	Namarrgon	...
2022-07-14 20:36:55	Repentinus	In those repos.
2022-07-14 20:36:57	zan	smallville7123_: out of all the best is aurutils by aladw, local repository where you can build your own pkgs as well as aur
2022-07-14 20:37:06	jelle	smallville7123_: you are here now for 12 hours and not showing a sign of improvement
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2022-07-14 20:37:43	smallville7123_	so https://github.com/alerque/aur is just a PGKBUILD repository that is also a unofficial user repository?
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2022-07-14 20:38:38	smallville7123_	so the repo's can contain either PGKBUILD files, or actual binary packages ...
2022-07-14 20:38:51	jelle	smallville7123_: no
2022-07-14 20:38:53	Repentinus	No…
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2022-07-14 20:39:16	Repentinus	That's the list of PKGBUILDs alerque maintains.
2022-07-14 20:39:17	◣	BrainDamage (~braindama@user/BrainDamage) ha salido (Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM)
2022-07-14 20:39:27	@jelle	smallville7123_: you are silenced for now, go out, take a walk and come back after some reading
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2022-07-14 20:39:39	mpan	jelle++
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2022-07-14 20:40:24	Repentinus	smallville7123_, the actual packages are hosted at: https://arch.alerque.com/x86_64/
2022-07-14 20:40:31	phrik	Title: Index of /x86_64 (at arch.alerque.com)
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2022-07-14 20:41:15	Repentinus	Now have a good walk and think on whether you need to get rid of your sleep deprivation or enrol in classes to improve your reading comprehension.
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2022-07-14 20:42:28	mpan	Repentinus: the person is not reading what is written to them.
2022-07-14 20:42:50	mpan	Repentinus: uhh, nvm. I see you see. Did not read your last message before hitting enter. :)
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2022-07-15 16:55:24	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-07-15 16:55:24	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1431 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1430 normals)
2022-07-15 14:22:59	lolok	hiya you have to get it into the container somehow, i dont do flatpacks tho, so idk how
2022-07-15 14:23:42	hiya	lolok: I installed the previous version and it fixed it. I hope it works with the upcoming version
2022-07-15 14:24:50	lolok	do you have a steamdeck?
2022-07-15 14:27:04	jelle	that's kidna irrelevant with flatpaks :)
2022-07-15 14:27:13	hiya	lolok: no, what is that?
2022-07-15 14:27:27	lolok	true but i wanna know what mirrors they use
2022-07-15 14:27:36	jelle	lolok: arch mirrors?
2022-07-15 14:28:01	lolok	its pc hardware hiya you linked to the redit so i thought you might know
2022-07-15 14:28:35	hiya	lolok: that link suggested how to find previous versions and use it
2022-07-15 14:28:40	lolok	yea but their own or the same ones we use? are they in sync? is there any difference in package anems like eg in manjaro?
2022-07-15 14:28:50	lolok	names*
2022-07-15 14:29:06	jelle	lolok: the steam deck uses it's own package mirror for Arch Linux
2022-07-15 14:29:57	lolok	is it in sync with eg tier 1 mirrors tho? if it is, maybe i wanna speed test and use it myself ya know?
2022-07-15 14:30:03	jelle	no
2022-07-15 14:30:39	jelle	oh I have a perfect plan for some procastination with Foxboron next week
2022-07-15 14:30:50	jelle	lolok: https://steamdeck-packages.steamos.cloud/archlinux-mirror/
2022-07-15 14:30:53	phrik	Title: Index of /archlinux-mirror/ (at steamdeck-packages.steamos.cloud)
2022-07-15 14:30:57	lolok	meh, i guess wwwe dont support steam deck here then either, since that would technically be enough thtta its not arch...
2022-07-15 14:31:21	jelle	the steamdeck does not even use pacman to update so :-)
2022-07-15 14:32:34	lolok	lmao, i remember the original steamos what quite close to debian, that i added debian mirrors to it when they stopped bothering to update it and kept it around for a while longer
2022-07-15 14:32:56	grawity	my understanding is that steam deck is arch in the same sense as chromeos is gentoo >_>
2022-07-15 14:33:11	lolok	sadface
2022-07-15 14:33:39	jelle	lolok: what they do makes perfectly sense
2022-07-15 14:34:19	lolok	yea ya always want more than ya get right
2022-07-15 14:34:58	jelle	lolok: it's a PC you can install arch if you want
2022-07-15 14:36:27	lambda	jelle: so they wrote their own pacman-compatible package manager?
2022-07-15 14:37:09	jelle	no
2022-07-15 14:37:13	lolok	its actually pretty good hardware for the price afact, but im not in the market for a portable, and if i have to lug a usb keyboard too it wouldnt be practical compaired to a normal laptop
2022-07-15 14:37:21	Scimmia	lambda: they don't update packages, they do system image type updates
2022-07-15 14:37:29	lambda	oh
2022-07-15 14:37:38	lambda	makes sense I guess
2022-07-15 14:38:01	lolok	like fedora silverblue?
2022-07-15 14:38:15	lolok	thats kinda sweet actually i was looking into seeing if i could implement it
2022-07-15 14:39:11	smallville7123	ayekat: ok i got the user bus working and automatically logging in to it via `su - archlinux -p -c "sudo -S login -f archlinux"`
2022-07-15 14:39:24	lambda	readonly A/B rootfs partitions/images are a pretty solid system, just requires some work to (re)build them
2022-07-15 14:40:03	lolok	i got half a mind to try their kernel tbh
2022-07-15 14:40:55	lolok	unrelated
2022-07-15 14:40:57	smallville7123	and user dbus is inactive (dead)
2022-07-15 14:41:00	ayekat	smallville7123: I... don't know what to say - but congrats, I guess?
2022-07-15 14:41:30	ayekat	(but really, as that's WSL, there's no way I can tell you whether that's the proper way to do it)
2022-07-15 14:42:50	smallville7123	ayekat: would i do      `systemctl --user enable dbus.service && systemctl --user start dbus.service`
2022-07-15 14:43:42	smallville7123	or would `/usr/lib/plasma-dbus-run-session-if-needed startplasma-x11` do this for me
2022-07-15 14:46:08	smallville7123	hmm it seems i need to start dbus for --user every time i log in
2022-07-15 14:46:38	smallville7123	how would i avoid needing to do this manually?
2022-07-15 14:46:53	smallville7123	eg have the service auto-start
2022-07-15 14:47:16	Scimmia	smallville7123: how many times do you have to be told that you can't get help here?
2022-07-15 15:11:52	docmax	is discord the new irc?
2022-07-15 15:12:17	NetSysFire	no
2022-07-15 15:12:46	docmax	ok
2022-07-15 15:13:24	scacci	discord is bloat
2022-07-15 15:15:18	jelly	docmax, matrix is new irc
2022-07-15 15:15:21	⚡ 	jelly hides
2022-07-15 15:16:34	lolok	discord is dead use revolt.chat
2022-07-15 15:17:26	docmax	ok
2022-07-15 15:18:43	cbarts	"irc is the new irc" ftfy
2022-07-15 15:20:01	docmax	BITNET
2022-07-15 15:22:01	jkc	lolok: pfft okay
2022-07-15 15:28:58	docmax	discord doesn't feel bloated
2022-07-15 15:30:19	travisghansen0	Does anyone know if it’s possible to use a swapfile for hibernation without actually having the swapfile active as far as the os is concerned?
2022-07-15 15:31:10	jkc	docmax: Their API is a bit of a shit-show.
2022-07-15 15:32:54	NetSysFire	travisghansen: i would assume setting vm.swappiness to 100 or creating a wrapper that does swapon and then hibernates and after it wakes up, it does swapoff
2022-07-15 15:32:56	lolok	travisghansen thats technically impossible, but you can make a systemd unit thats wanted before [after] hibernate.target to swapon [off] the swapfile
2022-07-15 15:33:35	rien333	I have libmupdf 1.20 installed. But if I run pacman -F /usr/lib/libmupdf.a, I get "usr/lib/libmupdf.a is owned by community/libmupdf 1.17.0-3". Why is that? 
2022-07-15 15:34:09	rien333	(or: is it normal that those versions don't match? )
2022-07-15 15:34:31	artefact	vm.swappiness=0 would work, i think, until you get into serious memory pressure for anon pages
2022-07-15 15:35:42	artefact	hopefully mglru helps against endless trashing for swap. or you can use a userspace oom killer
2022-07-15 15:35:54	artefact	(or better yet, don't get into memory pressure)
2022-07-15 15:36:53	lolok	rien333 try `-Qo` instead of `-F` for files that are on your system, also, your file db is out of sync, older than your sync db, refresh it with `-Fy`
2022-07-15 15:39:05	rien333	lolok: thank you, didn't know about -Fy. 
2022-07-15 15:40:10	lolok	np
2022-07-15 15:46:11	Protocol2	Hi everyone! Does anyone know how I fix this error? When I try to update my system it complains it can't open file /var/lib/pacman/local/python-sphinx-5.0.2-1/desc. I tried reinstalling both python and sphinx but to no avail. What could have caused this? AFAIK I can't use pacman now.
2022-07-15 15:48:52	lolok	try removing it, upgrading, then reinstalling it
2022-07-15 15:51:19	travisghansen	lolok and NetSysFire thanks for the ideas
2022-07-15 15:54:27	smallville7123_	now im just getting a light blue screen with nothing on it :(
2022-07-15 16:06:48	Protocol2	lolok: I tried removing, upgrading, reinstalling but even after I remove it I can't upgrade because it can't find that file/directory
2022-07-15 16:07:25	mpan	Protocol2: seems like a pacman local database is damaged. See <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Restore_local_database>.
2022-07-15 16:07:26	phrik	Title: pacman/Restore local database - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-15 16:08:19	mpan	Protocol2: before making the attempt, please backup the entire “/var/lib/pacman/local/” directory — in case something goes wrong.
2022-07-15 16:09:12	Edu4rdSHL	phrik, what do you did and paste the logs
2022-07-15 16:09:12	phrik	Edu4rdSHL: Is that a question?
2022-07-15 16:09:17	Edu4rdSHL	Protocol2, *
2022-07-15 16:09:44	mpan	Protocol2: important, since “damage” may be of various kinds and the restoration procedure on Wiki only describes a few specific cases. You may have a different kind of damage.
2022-07-15 16:10:09	smallville7123_	this is everything i have done so far https://gist.github.com/mgood7123/cb1669169d67218a8518a42e6c585241
2022-07-15 16:10:26	smallville7123_	to try to get ArchLinux to work with XOrg
2022-07-15 16:15:13	Protocol2	mpan: I'm trying this now hopefully it works
2022-07-15 16:16:46	mpan	Just please make the backup. It’s crucial you can return to the previous state if that procedure fails. And if it fails, answer Edu4rdSHL’s question.
2022-07-15 16:18:18	Protocol2	If I happen to break it how would I restore? Because the bashscript on the wiki doesn't seem to be doing anything.
2022-07-15 16:18:45	mpan	Protocol2: just restore the contents of the directory from the backup.
2022-07-15 16:19:25	Protocol2	hmm somehow the pacrecovery script doesn't do anything
2022-07-15 16:19:43	jkc	smallville7123_: I don't understand why you're creating so many problems for yourself. xorg literally "just works" in WSL2.
2022-07-15 16:20:07	mpan	Protocol2: then answer Edu4rdSHL’s question nad follow with new ideas.
2022-07-15 16:20:20	mpan	(Also, if nothing was changed, there is no reason to restore the backup)
2022-07-15 16:21:01	Protocol2	I can't see Edu4rdSHL's question. What did he ask?
2022-07-15 16:21:16	Edu4rdSHL	Protocol2, what do you did and paste the logs
2022-07-15 16:21:34	Protocol2	Wasn't that directed at phrik ?
2022-07-15 16:21:57	mpan	phrik: bot
2022-07-15 16:21:58	phrik	I'm a bot! ~does the binary solo~ 00001 000011 0000111
2022-07-15 16:22:17	Edu4rdSHL	Protocol2, tab fail, that's why I corrected before
2022-07-15 16:22:25	Protocol2	oooh ok
2022-07-15 16:23:05	Protocol2	Sorry for asking stupid questions but which logfile should I paste and where? I didn't do anything odd before pacman stopped working, just updating as usual.
2022-07-15 16:23:34	Edu4rdSHL	Protocol2, you wrote: I tried removing, upgrading, reinstalling but even after I remove it I can't upgrade because it can't find that file/directory
2022-07-15 16:23:49	Edu4rdSHL	So, paste the log of these commands that you tried
2022-07-15 16:24:05	Edu4rdSHL	Basically copy/paste what you have in your terminal
2022-07-15 16:24:13	Protocol2	Yeah I pip uninstalles sphinx and tried updating, same problem
2022-07-15 16:24:21	mpan	Oh… you used pip.
2022-07-15 16:24:25	Protocol2	Uninstalled*
2022-07-15 16:24:26	Edu4rdSHL	Why are you using pip :p
2022-07-15 16:24:39	Edu4rdSHL	Paste the logs, please.
2022-07-15 16:24:40	Protocol2	I can't find python-sphinx anywhere else
2022-07-15 16:25:03	Protocol2	Which logs though, I'm new to this sort of troubleshooting
2022-07-15 16:25:23	Edu4rdSHL	> ↪ | So, paste the log of these commands that you tried
2022-07-15 16:25:27	Edu4rdSHL	↪ | Basically copy/paste what you have in your terminal 
2022-07-15 16:25:55	Protocol2	Omg I fixed it
2022-07-15 16:26:01	mpan	While using multiple package managers to configure the system is a sure way to break things, that doesn’t explain why pacman’s local db is broken. pip would not touch it.
2022-07-15 16:26:22	mpan	Have you done something to those files manually and did not tell us?
2022-07-15 16:26:42	Protocol2	No I know my mistake now
2022-07-15 16:27:12	Protocol2	I tried to find python-sphinx and searched online for what it did and where it was
2022-07-15 16:27:28	Protocol2	and there they all pointed to pip. I had it installed via pip so I assumed that's where the problem was
2022-07-15 16:27:55	Edu4rdSHL	Well, certainly pip has nothing to do with /var/lib/pacman/local/
2022-07-15 16:27:57	Protocol2	but apparently there is also a python-sphinx package that was installed through pacman which I tried to install but couldn't because the current install of that was corrupted so it said it wasn't there
2022-07-15 16:28:10	mpan	Never install stuff globally with pip in Arch. It will clash with pacman.
2022-07-15 16:28:18	Edu4rdSHL	!listkeys pip
2022-07-15 16:28:18	phrik	Edu4rdSHL: Key search for "pip" (10 found): "brokenpipes", "hash-pipe", "pip", "pipe", "piping", "piproot", "pipuser", "schnuppipoop", "sillypip", and "tcpip"
2022-07-15 16:28:20	mpan	Well, but pip would not touch “/var/lib/pacman/local”.
2022-07-15 16:28:26	Edu4rdSHL	!sillypip
2022-07-15 16:28:26	phrik	Never sudo pip install things
2022-07-15 16:28:49	Protocol2	yeah I only did that because it said it couldn't install it regularly due to lack of permissions I know this is stupid behaviour
2022-07-15 16:28:54	mpan	Protocol2: if you do `pacman -Q python-sphinx`, does it work?
2022-07-15 16:29:10	Protocol2	It works now
2022-07-15 16:29:29	Protocol2	I removed python-sphinx through pacman, then reinstalled it and now I can update and everything is fine again
2022-07-15 16:29:53	mpan	If you do `ls /var/lib/pacman/local/python-sphinx-5.0.2-3`, do you see three files? (replace 5.0.2-3 with whatever version you have now)
2022-07-15 16:30:15	Protocol2	yup three files
2022-07-15 16:30:19	mpan	Seems fine then.
2022-07-15 16:30:22	Protocol2	yeah
2022-07-15 16:30:37	Protocol2	thanks for the help guys
2022-07-15 16:30:54	mpan	Still something doesn’t add up, but I guess we will not find out what it was and it serves no purpose.
2022-07-15 16:31:50	mpan	What I want to be clear is that issue was not caused by pip. While using pip globally is a bad idea, it shouldn’t lead to that particular symptom.
2022-07-15 16:35:04	Protocol2	No that was an assumption from my part mpan. I just read incorrect info online when troubleshooting
2022-07-15 16:35:28	Protocol2	The origin of my broken sphinx could be anything really
2022-07-15 16:36:06	Protocol2	I recently lost power when upgrading and had to reinstall the kernel manually so maybe in that process something broke because I didn't pay attention
2022-07-15 16:37:07	mpan	“I recently lost power when upgrading” ← that sounds like a very plausible explanation
2022-07-15 16:38:29	Edu4rdSHL	Protocol2, if you want a healthy Arch system: use the packages from the official repos, if the package is not there, check the AUR and if you find it, review the PKGBUILD and install files. If it's definitely not there, your can create your own PKGBUILD so that pacman tracks the installed files. For python especifically you can also use pyenvs or pip as normal user.
2022-07-15 16:38:45	Edu4rdSHL	And don't do partial upgradews
2022-07-15 16:38:48	Edu4rdSHL	upgrades *
2022-07-15 16:39:39	artefact	uwu
2022-07-15 16:41:08	another|	** or at least know what you're doing
2022-07-15 16:41:53	mpan	“I know what I am doing” — famous last words.
2022-07-15 16:42:48	another|	heh, yeah
2022-07-15 16:44:18	another|	should rather be: I know what I am doing and accept responsibility if not
2022-07-15 16:44:25	mpan	↑
2022-07-15 16:45:18	another|	e.g. I'm doing partial updates quite often. But I'm aware of what I'm doing, what the consequences might be and who to blame.
2022-07-15 16:46:28	mpan	Just to make it clear, so am I. With the same fine print attached
2022-07-15 16:48:43	another|	though lately, out of sheer lazyness, not as much anymore. I just update every once in a while and there's always kernel updates involved, so reboot is in order
2022-07-15 16:50:31	mpan	I do not even count kernel as a partial update for my accounting :D. I have a few userspace programs partially upgraded (with all consequences being on me). As for the kernel, I update on minor version bumps or if a vulnerability relevant to me appears. 
2022-07-15 16:51:46	Edu4rdSHL	I prefer to have everything up to date and use kernel-modules-hook to keep functionality 
2022-07-15 16:51:55	susi	I do partial upgrades regularly, but the blame's on me if I fail... never happened yet
2022-07-15 16:52:11	susi	but it's because I do not 'randomly' do partial upgrades
2022-07-15 16:53:23	mpan	But with the kernel you are effectively in a “partial update” like state (note the quotes) until you restart anyway.
2022-07-15 16:54:35	another|	yeah, due to the way Arch manages kernel packages you always want to reboot right after a kernel update
2022-07-15 16:55:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-07-15 16:55:49	mpan	I also prefer to be always at the tip, but some software is broken. And keeping that particular thing at old version is less hassle than doing it the proper way.
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2022-07-15 16:56:25	TestingPlant	i haven't had issues with upgrading the kernel and not rebooting right away
2022-07-15 16:56:46	Edu4rdSHL	another|, unless you use something like kernel-modules-hook :)
2022-07-15 16:56:48	susi	I've set kernel(s) in IgnorePkg, because I want to update system more regularly than reboot
2022-07-15 16:56:53	mpan	TestingPlant: you will not be able to load modules, because the ones for your current kernel are no longer on the disk.
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2022-07-15 16:57:26	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL looks like that people doesn't know the kernel-modules-hook package :p
2022-07-15 16:57:37	artefact	which is funny when you need to mount /efi and you didn't pre-load vfat
2022-07-15 16:57:41	mpan	I know about it, but for some reason to me it only caused even more trouble. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-07-15 16:57:44	another|	Edu4rdSHL: hmm.. maybe I'll look into this
2022-07-15 16:58:00	Edu4rdSHL	mpan, trouble like...?
2022-07-15 16:58:16	mpan	Edu4rdSHL: horribly long boot times.
2022-07-15 16:58:16	artefact	now i just keep old fallback images, just in case. also vfat is in my modules=() array anyway, and recovery usb on my desk juuuuust in case
2022-07-15 16:58:23	mpan	(IIRC)
2022-07-15 16:58:44	Edu4rdSHL	mpan, fair. I didn't notice it because I use nvmes only probably
2022-07-15 16:59:03	another|	Edu4rdSHL: how does it work?
2022-07-15 16:59:10	mpan	It’s easier for me to just --ignore=linux and reboot when I see a vuln.
2022-07-15 16:59:10	artefact	"just compile your own kernel with everything you need builtin"
2022-07-15 16:59:27	Edu4rdSHL	artefact, https://github.com/saber-nyan/kernel-modules-hook
2022-07-15 16:59:33	Edu4rdSHL	And it's in the official repos
2022-07-15 17:00:03	artefact	but how am i supposed to waste two hours now, if not by endlessly browsing cryptic "fuck if i know" options in nconfig
2022-07-15 17:00:10	mpan	Having userspace unupdated is a bigger issue to me.
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2022-07-15 17:31:40	qorg	hello, is it possible to customize the output of pacman -Ss so it displays the results in one line (instead of one line for the name and other line for the description)
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2022-07-15 17:32:08	wez	what is pacman?
2022-07-15 17:32:16	qorg	The package manager
2022-07-15 17:32:28	qorg	:p
2022-07-15 17:33:01	wez	you mean like apt-get?
2022-07-15 17:33:07	wez	or yum?
2022-07-15 17:33:14	mpan	qorg: see expac
2022-07-15 17:33:18	artefact	pacman -Ssq
2022-07-15 17:33:25	mpan	wez: we are on #archlinux.
2022-07-15 17:33:45	susi	-Ssq displays just package name without version or description
2022-07-15 17:34:02	artefact	technically in one line
2022-07-15 17:34:10	susi	oh, I was late
2022-07-15 17:34:14	mpan	Just see expac…
2022-07-15 17:34:19	qorg	What's expac
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2022-07-15 17:34:22	wez	mpan: Thanks, I am honoured to be here
2022-07-15 17:34:25	lolok	`pacman -Ss ... | tr '\n' ' '`
2022-07-15 17:34:26	qorg	nvm
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2022-07-15 17:34:39	susi	qorg: pacman -Ss expac
2022-07-15 17:34:51	mpan	https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/expac/
2022-07-15 17:34:52	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - expac 10-5 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
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2022-07-15 17:35:51	qorg	`expac -Ss '%n --- %d'` does what I wanted, thanks susi :)
2022-07-15 17:35:58	qorg	and mpan 
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2022-07-15 17:38:33	susi	it was not my suggestion, but np
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2022-07-15 17:39:41	smallville7123_	so apparently you need BOTH xrdp and xorgxrdp in order for xrdp and xorg to work
2022-07-15 17:39:57	smallville7123_	otherwise it will just fail to connect ;-;
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2022-07-15 17:40:33	smallville7123_	so yay https://gist.github.com/mgood7123/cb1669169d67218a8518a42e6c585241
2022-07-15 17:40:52	lolok	screenshot?
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2022-07-15 17:41:50	susi	there's no xrdb in my repos, only xorg-xrdb
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2022-07-15 17:47:58	smallville7123_	https://imgur.com/a/ezZsEz7
2022-07-15 17:47:58	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2022-07-15 17:48:29	smallville7123_	susi: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/xrdp https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/xorgxrdp
2022-07-15 17:48:33	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - xrdp (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-15 17:49:29	MrElendig	smallville7123_: and this is still the wrong channel since you are not using arch :)
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2022-07-15 17:50:15	lolok	smallville7123_ ahahahahahhahahahahha windows unregistered, idgaf, great hacking man
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2022-07-15 17:53:05	smallville7123_	https://imgur.com/a/zoujH8W :)
2022-07-15 17:53:05	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
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2022-07-15 17:54:07	mpan	Oh, smallville7123_ is un-q’d?
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2022-07-15 17:54:15	smallville7123_	lolok: windows is free :)
2022-07-15 17:54:46	mpan	It seems they are.
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2022-07-15 17:56:18	lolok	i cant believe he got it to actually work
2022-07-15 17:56:39	lolok	credit where credit is due
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2022-07-15 17:57:24	jkc	lolok: Not really. X support has been in WSL2 for a while, now. It takes all of "install xorg and desired programs and run."
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2022-07-15 17:58:39	lolok	thats the easy way out, only can run programs then, this guy set up a whole desktop
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2022-07-15 18:01:09	qorg	How's the status of ZFS in arch linux?
2022-07-15 18:01:26	jelle	unsupported
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2022-07-15 18:01:47	another|	!aw zfs
2022-07-15 18:01:48	phrik	another|: Zfs - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Zfs
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2022-07-15 18:01:53	qorg	jelle: License reasons?
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2022-07-15 18:02:09	jelle	qorg: yes, as always and forever :)
2022-07-15 18:02:18	qorg	God bless the GPL
2022-07-15 18:02:19	lolok	we directly support very little around here technically speaking
2022-07-15 18:03:13	qorg	I come from FreeBSD but I had to move to linux because I got a new computer and it's network card isn't supported by freebsd
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2022-07-15 18:04:03	Repentinus	I actually think that shipping a DKMS module *could* be compliant with both CDDL and the GPL – I am willing to ask around if any of the Arch developers or TUs ever wants to ship ZFS in community or higher.
2022-07-15 18:04:09	Edu4rdSHL	qorg, btrfs ;)
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2022-07-15 18:04:31	jelle	Repentinus: I have no interest :)
2022-07-15 18:04:36	scacci	qorg: did you try using a wifi dongle ?
2022-07-15 18:04:40	qorg	Edu4rdSHL: btrfs is garbage, lol
2022-07-15 18:04:46	Edu4rdSHL	qorg, it isn't
2022-07-15 18:04:55	Edu4rdSHL	Myths
2022-07-15 18:04:56	qorg	scacci: I don't have one, i lost my wallet the other day so i can't do online shopping :)
2022-07-15 18:04:58	lolok	1st time i tried freebsd reminded me of the 1st time i tried linux, only problem was, it was 5 years later...
2022-07-15 18:05:00	qorg	Edu4rdSHL: When you come from ZFS, yes it is
2022-07-15 18:05:14	Edu4rdSHL	qorg, I tried zfs and came back to btrfs, so no
2022-07-15 18:05:16	Edu4rdSHL	:)
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2022-07-15 18:05:22	qorg	Well, at least you tried ZFS
2022-07-15 18:05:22	Repentinus	Pretty much the only thing btrfs lacks is file system encryption.
2022-07-15 18:05:38	Khorne	Or not randomly becoming read-only forever
2022-07-15 18:05:46	qorg	I prefer zfs set compression=zstd instead of modifying my fstab
2022-07-15 18:05:54	qorg	or zfs create zroot/whatever/whatever
2022-07-15 18:06:01	qorg	instead of however btrfs manages subvolumes
2022-07-15 18:06:01	jelle	rants are useless :)
2022-07-15 18:06:03	Khorne	But you know, everybody has different preferences for their filesystem
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2022-07-15 18:06:59	Repentinus	But in any case, building zfs-dkms and zfs-utils from the AUR is simple enough. AUR is kinda like ports.
2022-07-15 18:07:41	Repentinus	They work, though you should consider using linux-lts in lieu of linux.
2022-07-15 18:07:44	qorg	Yeah, I am using artix though, so i couldn't install that from the AUR, not big problem I just downloaded the thing from zfsonlinux.org, and ./configure, make and make install worked
2022-07-15 18:07:58	Edu4rdSHL	SO you're in the wrong channel too
2022-07-15 18:08:04	qorg	No i'm not in the wrong channel
2022-07-15 18:08:09	qorg	I know this is the archlinux channel
2022-07-15 18:08:13	Repentinus	#artix
2022-07-15 18:08:15	Edu4rdSHL	> I am using artix though 
2022-07-15 18:08:33	qorg	Im also in #artix, got a problem with an artix user in #archlinux?
2022-07-15 18:08:37	Repentinus	We don't support other distros here.
2022-07-15 18:08:42	qorg	That's ok
2022-07-15 18:08:45	qorg	And understandable
2022-07-15 18:08:54	lolok	he asked how was zfs on arch, thats not a relevant question to the distro hes using, its relevant here
2022-07-15 18:09:05	Repentinus	But you are welcome to stick around here.
2022-07-15 18:09:51	Deadly_Alive	everyone should be using btrfs, cause who doesn't like toast spread with butter?
2022-07-15 18:09:59	qorg	I also would like to thank the package maintainers for not creating -devel packages
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2022-07-15 18:10:25	jelle	qorg: note that your zfs will break soon once the kernel is upgraded
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2022-07-15 18:10:46	qorg	jelle: God bless the GPL
2022-07-15 18:10:56	⚡ 	CompanionCube found the archzfs repository very handy
2022-07-15 18:11:07	jelle	qorg: I am not sure if you are trolling or trying to be funny
2022-07-15 18:11:30	jelle	so far this has nothing to do with GPL, but more with Oracle :-)
2022-07-15 18:11:58	qorg	Neither i'm just saying my opinion
2022-07-15 18:12:25	jelle	qorg: ok, then good luck and I'll stop giving you help :)
2022-07-15 18:12:55	qorg	How am I supposed to interpret that message
2022-07-15 18:12:56	⚡ 	Repentinus finds archzfs repos likely to infringe copyright on the kernel due to the CDDL/GPL incompatibility.
2022-07-15 18:13:13	◣	Enitin (~Enitin@5.180.209.251) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2022-07-15 18:13:23	jelle	qorg: I have no interest in providing you help if you just come back with silly remarks
2022-07-15 18:14:12	qorg	yeah that's fair, sorry
2022-07-15 18:14:14	jonathon	Repentinus: i'd kind of like to see zfs-dkms in community, there shouldn't be any licensing issues as the compiled module is not being distributed
2022-07-15 18:14:27	Repentinus	jonathon, aye, that's my thinking as well.
2022-07-15 18:16:03	Repentinus	and zfs-utils has no issues at all as that is purely userspace.
2022-07-15 18:16:03	Repentinus	It would be especially convenient after eschwartz got rid of his unofficial user repository where he had prebuilt packages of zfs-dkms and zfs-utils.
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2022-07-15 18:51:02	smallville7123_	so, xorg itself sets the DISPLAY variable for us when it starts
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2022-07-15 18:57:09	jkc	smallville7123_: Haven't you been told many times that your WSL creation is off-topic?
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2022-07-15 18:57:28	mpan	jkc: they were. They even were +q’d yesterday, as they do not read answers either.
2022-07-15 18:57:51	⚡ 	MrElendig is about |-| this close to a +b
2022-07-15 18:58:08	MrElendig	smallville7123_: take ^ as a warning
2022-07-15 19:01:34	smallville7123_	im sorry
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2022-07-15 19:52:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-15 19:58:47	cyphertite	Repentinus:  I run both zfs and btrfs.  I don't follow your claim that btrfs does not support encryption.  btrfs operates without issue on a LUKS1 or LUKS2 encrypted partition, or as a filesystem on a LUKS encrypted block device
2022-07-15 19:59:05	MrElendig	cyphertite: that isn't native though
2022-07-15 19:59:45	cyphertite	right, in all cases LUKS
2022-07-15 19:59:46	lolok	if youre gonna run luks anyway is there any advantage to using btrfs over ext4?
2022-07-15 19:59:57	lolok	nvm im thinking lvm
2022-07-15 20:00:04	lolok	i gotta take a break
2022-07-15 20:00:10	susi	we're anxiously waiting for bcachefs
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2022-07-15 20:48:02	Repentinus	Only if the attacker has a chosen plaintext capability. This is a vector that is more common in some applications than others.
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2022-07-15 21:03:53	edt	I've used yay -G to download a pkgbuild which I edited to update a depends entry, how do I use yay to build the package using the edited PKGBUILD ? (-S asks for the bad dependency)
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2022-07-15 21:04:29	gehidore	makepkg 
2022-07-15 21:04:38	edt	makepkg -Si
2022-07-15 21:04:52	gehidore	that works
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2022-07-15 21:05:25	gehidore	I've never used yay, but if you can't find it in the man page for it possible there's no option for that - I believe there is one however
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2022-07-15 21:06:12	edt	thanks sometimes things are easy - once you stop looking for hard solutions (yay does a okay job of keeping aur packages up to date)
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2022-07-15 21:06:27	lolok	the files in the linux-firmware package, can you blacklist them individually? the wiki redirects 'firmware' to 'fwupd' lol
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2022-07-15 21:08:19	Edu4rdSHL	edt, did you pass the --savechanges or some similar flag?
2022-07-15 21:08:31	◥	lionkor (~lionkor@beammp/staff/lionkor) has joined #archlinux
2022-07-15 21:08:35	Edu4rdSHL	And use paru instead of yay :p
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2022-07-15 21:09:35	edt	Edu4rdSHL what is the advantage of paru vs yay ?
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2022-07-15 21:09:48	Edu4rdSHL	Guess what
2022-07-15 21:09:55	Edu4rdSHL	It's written in Rust!
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2022-07-15 21:09:57	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-07-15 21:10:34	teraflops	I bet you can write shitty software in rust as well
2022-07-15 21:11:21	mefistofeles	I can for sure
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2022-07-15 21:13:21	edt	and yay is is go.  Is there a real advantage to paru?  
2022-07-15 21:13:43	MrElendig	somewhat more active developement
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2022-07-15 22:11:25	jmcantrell	I’m seeing a grub error flash on the screen after unlocking the disk. The system seems to boot fine, but how can I see what that error says?
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2022-07-15 22:13:07	MrElendig	jmcantrell: that nsa tracking device in your pocket
2022-07-15 22:13:31	MrElendig	assuming the messages are actually from grub
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2022-07-15 22:14:35	jmcantrell	Lol. Well, I could have sworn I saw “grub” at the beginning of the message, but I could be wrong.
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2022-07-16 12:30:23	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-07-16 12:30:23	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1423 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1422 normals)
2022-07-15 23:21:14	lolok	probably can get away wioth move and rename the efi file if there even is one with systemd-boot again idk
2022-07-15 23:22:16	lolok	Nuc1eoN, ^
2022-07-15 23:22:31	lolok	with*
2022-07-15 23:26:59	jmcantrell	Is there a way to see the messages that show up between unlocking a disk with grub and the grub menu?
2022-07-15 23:28:32	lolok	press 'c' at the menu screen maybe?
2022-07-15 23:28:59	lolok	never tested it
2022-07-15 23:29:20	MrElendig	jmcantrell: easiest way is to just point your phone at it
2022-07-15 23:30:16	jmcantrell	MrElendig: Like a video and try to isolate the frame?
2022-07-15 23:30:22	MrElendig	sure
2022-07-15 23:30:29	MrElendig	mpv can play frame by frame
2022-07-15 23:31:12	lolok	wait, cant you boot grub in text mode? you once could...
2022-07-15 23:31:47	MrElendig	not all of the messages are persistent on screen
2022-07-15 23:31:49	lolok	not sure about how to do it on efi
2022-07-15 23:32:00	MrElendig	unless you turn on debug mode
2022-07-15 23:34:17	jmcantrell	error: file
2022-07-15 23:34:17	jmcantrell	'/@/boot/grub/locale/C. gmo' not found.
2022-07-15 23:39:26	jmcantrell	The file is not there. Is there anything I should do to correct this?
2022-07-15 23:42:37	lolok	reinstall grub probably is best, or you can try to extract it manually maybe, just keep your grub.cfg safe
2022-07-15 23:43:09	jmcantrell	I just reinstalled. Same message
2022-07-15 23:43:56	lolok	is there a litteral space in the error or is that a typo????
2022-07-15 23:44:24	jmcantrell	That’s an error from the ocr
2022-07-15 23:45:25	lolok	but "C. gmo'" is what it actually says?
2022-07-15 23:45:50	jmcantrell	No. It’s C.gmo
2022-07-15 23:45:55	jmcantrell	No space
2022-07-15 23:45:57	MrElendig	check your config
2022-07-15 23:47:01	jmcantrell	What would I be looking for? The other files have .mo extension but there’s no C.mo either
2022-07-15 23:47:02	lolok	yea thats not even right i dont have 'C*' in /boot/grub/locale did you miss a step in the install process?
2022-07-15 23:47:29	lolok	locale-gen?
2022-07-15 23:47:45	jmcantrell	I’ll look through my script
2022-07-15 23:48:07	jmcantrell	It would have been at that step? locale-gen?
2022-07-15 23:48:22	lolok	i think so
2022-07-15 23:53:30	lolok	jmcantrell oh sorry just though this now, i dont mean the grub install process, i mean the system install process https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Locale#Generating_locales
2022-07-15 23:53:31	phrik	Title: Locale - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-15 23:54:02	lolok	after this is fixed reinstall/reconfigre grub
2022-07-15 23:54:26	lolok	it should get your actual locale
2022-07-15 23:54:58	jmcantrell	Ok I will try that. Thanks
2022-07-15 23:55:21	lolok	np
2022-07-16 00:01:38	jmcantrell	<lolok> "np" <- Ok so, I only have one entry in locale.gen, en_US.UTF-8. I do see a line in grub.cfg that says “set lang=C”. Is that wrong?
2022-07-16 00:03:25	lolok	yes, you can correct it [set to en_US] manually, or rerun grub-mkconfig
2022-07-16 00:03:29	jmcantrell	Looks like I may not be setting LANG during the install (looking at /etc/grub.d/00_header)
2022-07-16 00:05:03	MrElendig	locale;locale -a
2022-07-16 00:05:21	lolok	you just gotta run locale-gen before grub-mkconfig that should be sufficient
2022-07-16 00:05:51	lolok	but ^^ will confirm its set and not just in the file
2022-07-16 00:24:48	susi	hmm, my grub never complained about locales nor is there /locale/ or any .gmo files in my /boot :o
2022-07-16 00:25:59	susi	it Just works
2022-07-16 00:40:14	keldrin	Hi! I think i found a bug in sqlitebrowser. Editing tables crashes the whole program. Can anyone confirm this? System is up to date, tested on 2 machines.
2022-07-16 01:02:13	muesli	With the latest wxwidgets update I see apps like prusa-slicer segfault on startup in wxTranslations::SetLanguage. Anyone else noticed that?
2022-07-16 01:02:56	MrElendig	might need a rebuild
2022-07-16 01:03:16	muesli	actually just finished building the PKGBUILD manually, same crash tho
2022-07-16 01:03:50	muesli	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/75336
2022-07-16 01:03:52	phrik	Title: FS#75336 : prusa-slicer 2.4.2-6 broken after wxwidets-common upgrade (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-07-16 01:34:22	⚡ 	gehidore grumbles he never got a steamdeck
2022-07-16 02:29:14	jmcantrell	Hi, my systemd-nspawn containers only have network connectivity when my vpn is disconnected. Can someone help me understand what's causing the problem and what might be needed to make it work? Here's my nftables ruleset for inet when mullvad is connected https://paste.rs/RJj
2022-07-16 03:22:34	mattf	hi
2022-07-16 03:22:51	mattf	can someone give me an example of a PKGBUILD where different architecture's download different files
2022-07-16 03:22:58	mattf	and the checksums still work
2022-07-16 03:25:27	mattf	oh nvm
2022-07-16 03:25:29	mattf	i found it
2022-07-16 03:43:30	nova	journalctl => arch kernel: rtw_8822ce 0000:04:00.0: failed to send h2c command   tons and tons of these. Led me to think about installing rtw88 driver from aur. https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/rtw88-dkms-git lots of problems. I am worried I will break system if I install. Maybe someone has advice
2022-07-16 03:43:31	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - rtw88-dkms-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-07-16 03:44:19	nova	a msg per second
2022-07-16 04:42:22	nova	?
2022-07-16 05:31:16	Zotta	 /quit
2022-07-16 06:05:19	admnj	Hello all, how alive are we in here. (came to pick some brains about mime defaults if anyone is willing)
2022-07-16 06:07:58	david12345	Hello, I have a model Dell 17 XPS 9720 Laptop that has graphics issues I cannot figure out. Screen has horizontal lines that stretch across the screen and lockups. I know this laptop works with linux as a ubuntu live CD works flawless. I tried EndevourOS also with same results as arch. Im not sure what to do. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
2022-07-16 06:09:21	admnj	@david12345 I am assuming it has intel graphics integreated on the cpu correct?
2022-07-16 06:09:27	HuntsMan	david12345: I have the same and it works fine on plasma
2022-07-16 06:10:02	david12345	admnj: Yes, Its got an Intel 12xxx and an Nvidia RTX 3050
2022-07-16 06:10:24	david12345	HuntsMan: Mine will not work at all on plasma
2022-07-16 06:10:59	HuntsMan	david12345: I am using it right now to chat here :D
2022-07-16 06:11:05	HuntsMan	so maybe something wrong in your setup
2022-07-16 06:11:32	david12345	HuntsMan: Glad yours works, can you help me fix mine?  I envy you.
2022-07-16 06:11:46	HuntsMan	start describing your setup
2022-07-16 06:11:59	HuntsMan	on arch of course
2022-07-16 06:13:09	admnj	@HumtsMan What additional drivers/packages have you tried to fix it so far?
2022-07-16 06:13:47	admnj	I mean <david12345>
2022-07-16 06:13:53	admnj	lol
2022-07-16 06:13:57	david12345	HuntsMan: Well for ease of multiple tests, I went with endevourOS graphical install. defaults basically then fully updated. It was my understanding endevour was pretty similar to arch. I also did the arch install and after installing plasma-desktop, as soon as I get login screen I get garbage graphics.
2022-07-16 06:14:36	david12345	HuntsMan: I am currently on ubuntu because arch is not usable
2022-07-16 06:14:56	david12345	but its installed and bootable. just no usable graphics
2022-07-16 06:15:22	HuntsMan	david12345: this is too vague, which graphics did you install/configure?
2022-07-16 06:16:11	david12345	HuntsMan: I have installed the intel-ucodes, linux-firmaware, nvidia , xf86-video-nu(somethig or other)
2022-07-16 06:16:30	HuntsMan	david12345: also you need to use actual arch, not a derivative, to get help here
2022-07-16 06:16:34	admnj	david12345 So it has a nvidia GPU in the laptop?
2022-07-16 06:16:42	HuntsMan	david12345: nouveau? that would conflict with the nvidia drivers
2022-07-16 06:17:33	HuntsMan	david12345: you don't need nvidia drivers to have a usable desktop, only for later HW acceleration
2022-07-16 06:17:47	david12345	HuntsMan: I am more than happy to do a fresh install of actual arch, but since actual arch game same issues as endevour, installing with endevor multiple times is much easier than arch muliple times. If I can fix one, I can fix the other.
2022-07-16 06:18:12	david12345	HuntsMan: nouveau...yes. I tried one, then the other. nothing I try works. 
2022-07-16 06:18:26	HuntsMan	david12345: we don't use endevour, we do not know how it is different from arch, we cannot help you with that
2022-07-16 06:18:37	david12345	Part of me things its not nvidia at all and maybe intel??
2022-07-16 06:19:24	admnj	david12345 What steps from this guide have you tried? did anything improve/worsen https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#Installation 
2022-07-16 06:19:26	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-16 06:19:35	david12345	I ran glmark2 and it shows its using intel by default when I was in ubuntu, so maybe arch is also not using nvida for desktop and my problem is with intel?
2022-07-16 06:19:45	HuntsMan	david12345: intel is the default one
2022-07-16 06:20:26	HuntsMan	david12345: so you have not actually installed arch in this laptop?
2022-07-16 06:20:37	david12345	admnj: give me a sec to look thru the link.
2022-07-16 06:21:39	david12345	HuntsMan: I origianly installed arch with issues. My brother said, Hey, try endevour, its an easy graphical install and still arch. So I did, and also had bad graphic issues. So what ever is going on, is happening between both.
2022-07-16 06:22:51	admnj	@HuntsMan, It should be fine, we are helping with advice for when david re-installs so they can hopefully have a smother experience
2022-07-16 06:23:41	david12345	admnj: So first I installed the xf86-video drivers, then on that site I seen I was in the grouop NV110/GMxxx, so I insytalled nvidia also, both produce the same result.
2022-07-16 06:23:49	david12345	I never tried a custom kernel
2022-07-16 06:24:33	david12345	admnj: I never made it into the xorg config section
2022-07-16 06:27:16	HuntsMan	there is no need for a custom kernel
2022-07-16 06:28:35	admnj	@david12345, If that is the case then when you re-install I would recommend 2 things... One, read through that page and if you don't understand something then dive into the refrence page. For instence, it is not a custom kernal to load kernal modules... that is just required for some funcionalities. Second recommend is to find a guied on the forums or youtube where someone has similar
2022-07-16 06:28:35	admnj	hardware... don't just do the second thing and ignore 
2022-07-16 06:28:35	admnj	the first.
2022-07-16 06:28:40	david12345	Im sorry, Im not super linux savy, but if it works in ubuntu, I know its got to work in arch. I would much rather use arch as it has a working vmware in the AUR and its very responsive and lightweight.
2022-07-16 06:29:02	HuntsMan	admnj: you don't even know if the problem is the nvidia card
2022-07-16 06:31:17	admnj	@HuntsMan, Your right, it is just the most likley factor... and without the PC runing in a live enviroment it will be hard to have them diagnose the issue rn... there is even a chance that it will "magicaly work" on their next install.
2022-07-16 06:31:20	david12345	So not knowing what I am doing, and maybe this doesnt matter, but from tty1, I killed my desktop, unload the nueavu driver and started the desktop. I was assuming I had no loaded nvidia driver and it was only i915, but I still had bad issues..
2022-07-16 06:31:21	david12345	Does it matter this is also a touch screen?
2022-07-16 06:31:47	HuntsMan	admnj: no, it is not, graphical issues are most likely from the intel driver, since that one is driving the screen
2022-07-16 06:31:51	shadowless	david12345: you might find this page to have relevant info to your hardware: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA_Optimus
2022-07-16 06:31:53	phrik	Title: NVIDIA Optimus - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-16 06:32:02	HuntsMan	again the same thing
2022-07-16 06:33:11	david12345	Look, I know its frustrating when you get people like me in here who are not super knowledgeable, but I do appreciate you guys helping me out
2022-07-16 06:33:33	admnj	@HuntsMan, True, it could be advised to just ignore nvidia drivers until they are booted into the system and then do trial an error around getting full nvidia support.
2022-07-16 06:34:03	admnj	If it works then should be golden
2022-07-16 06:34:05	admnj	lol
2022-07-16 06:38:08	david12345	shadowless: Ill try the route of intel only and see if there is a change. then Ill try nvidia only and test that. hopefully one will point me in the right direction.
2022-07-16 06:39:00	david12345	HuntsMan: your using basically the same hardware? 12th gen I7 and RTX 3050?
2022-07-16 06:40:13	admnj	david12345, I have had a better experience with intel drivers then Nvida on most of the hardware I have used. Hopeing you have a smoother 2nd go.
2022-07-16 06:41:22	HuntsMan	david12345: yes
2022-07-16 06:41:40	HuntsMan	david12345: I recommend that you remove all nvidia drivers and just boot with the intel ones (modesetting)
2022-07-16 06:42:06	HuntsMan	david12345: there is no "nvidia only", intel will always be there, the display is connected to the intel card
2022-07-16 06:43:13	david12345	Im going to go back to the beginning and fresh insyall arch without the endevourOs graphical way and work my way thru this intel_graphics_only page and see if it hepls.
2022-07-16 06:44:14	admnj	david12345, Goodluck friend
2022-07-16 06:44:20	HuntsMan	david12345: you just install xorg and some desktop environment, don't need anything else
2022-07-16 06:44:34	admnj	^
2022-07-16 06:45:04	admnj	don't even need a desktop enviroment if you want to go the i3 route, lol
2022-07-16 06:45:14	david12345	HuntsMan: lol, thats what I was hoping for in the first place and was disappointed, lol
2022-07-16 06:45:53	david12345	I think when I did arch, I did the base install, then installed plasma desktop and then fail
2022-07-16 07:23:53	smallville7123_	is it possible to create a third party package repository that can host compiled binary packages in archlinux
2022-07-16 07:25:58	mpan	smallville7123_: you have already been answered that and +q’d for ignoring the answers.
2022-07-16 07:29:32	smallville7123_	is a non-vetted PGKBUILD in a custom repo required to actually build a package or can the PGKBUILD just download a pre-compiled package from anyware?
2022-07-16 07:30:55	smallville7123_	as it would technically count as a binary repo if all uploaded PKGBUILD files simply download the prebuilt binary files from a reliable destination, right?
2022-07-16 07:31:24	⚡ 	shadowless starts making some popcorn
2022-07-16 07:33:13	smallville7123_	eg, a user would clone github.com/foo/REPO, add their PKGBUILD that downloads the pre-compiled package from github.com/USER/PACKAGE-BIN, and then submit a pull request to have it included in the repo
2022-07-16 07:33:46	smallville7123_	would that be allowed in a custom user repo github.com/foo/REPO for AUR ?
2022-07-16 07:47:56	smallville7123_	as i dont see anywhere in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR_submission_guidelines#Rules_of_submission that specifies a PKGBUILD is... required to build the package from source or simply download a pre-build package
2022-07-16 07:47:58	phrik	Title: AUR submission guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-16 07:49:30	zan	It can download a pre-built package. Search for "-bin" in AUR web interface or your local helper.
2022-07-16 07:50:00	smallville7123_	zan: yay
2022-07-16 07:50:46	zan	But go read about "aurutils" helper, it's the best and will do exactly what you need it to. Crate a local pkgbuilds repository and populate it as you see fit.
2022-07-16 07:51:24	zan	For example dgraph-bin / trezor-appimage-bin on AUR are such package as you're describing.
2022-07-16 07:52:02	zan	aurutils has a man page for each utility, so everything's documented in the man pages.
2022-07-16 07:52:23	smallville7123_	so, i would create a PGKBUILD, then make a package from that PKGBUILD, then create a repo from the resulting package with `repo-add <BUILT_PACKAGE>` which creates a db file, right?
2022-07-16 07:53:12	zan	Yes, the repo would be created befor you create the package. aurutils will auto repo-add package, updating db file.
2022-07-16 07:53:52	zan	Then you pacman -Syu so pacman finds the new packages and you can install them as usual.
2022-07-16 07:54:20	smallville7123_	doesnt repo creation require at least 1 package to be specified in order to actually create a repo?
2022-07-16 07:54:38	smallville7123_	eg the repo cannot be created as an empty repo, right?
2022-07-16 07:55:13	smallville7123_	so how would "the repo would be created befor you create the package" work?
2022-07-16 07:56:07	zan	I wrote about "aurutils" above. That'd be the 1st package you'd add to the repo.
2022-07-16 07:56:50	zan	If you use another aur helper that is not self-built, then yeah, you're thinking is correct.
2022-07-16 07:56:57	smallville7123_	oh ok
2022-07-16 07:57:02	smallville7123_	:)
2022-07-16 07:57:24	zan	repo-add "$_PKGBUILDS"/pkgbuilds.db.tar.xz "$_PKGBUILDS"/aurutils-*.pkg.tar.zst
2022-07-16 07:57:30	zan	This is how I do it during setup
2022-07-16 07:58:20	zan	Ok, reading further up in the setup. The repo is created using repo-add without a provided package.
2022-07-16 07:58:21	smallville7123_	where do i find the man page for it? as i tried `$ man aurutils` but i get No manual entry for aurutils
2022-07-16 07:58:25	zan	Sorry, woke up a bit before, still early. :D
2022-07-16 07:58:46	zan	man aur
2022-07-16 07:59:03	smallville7123_	ok :)
2022-07-16 08:47:18	dav1d	Is there a faster way to resume from hibernation? I have 64gb RAM and a 70gb swap, it seems to take forever to restore the swap back to RAM, is there maybe a lazy mode which only swaps memory back which is actually accessed?
2022-07-16 08:52:08	dav1d	Looking through the wiki, I'll try messing with /sys/power/image_size
2022-07-16 09:25:32	duso	I am trying to set up an arch server as a compute host. When I try and install kvm/qemu-base it trying to install xorg / wayland. An no, I am not trying to install the virt-manager gui package. How do I determine what dependency is dragging in all this extra gaff?
2022-07-16 09:26:41	nortega	If you're trying to figure out dependency chains, I think there was some sort of dependency tree tool for Arch.
2022-07-16 09:27:08	nortega	Here it is, install pacman-contrib and use the `pactree` command.
2022-07-16 09:27:49	duso	nortega: thanks, will look into pactrr
2022-07-16 09:27:57	duso	*pactree
2022-07-16 09:51:36	gehidore	dav1d use hybrid sleep
2022-07-16 09:52:02	gehidore	that way short suspend resume is faster, long term you preserve battery
2022-07-16 09:52:03	dav1d	gehidore, I actually need suspend to disk for encryption
2022-07-16 09:52:29	gehidore	good luck with speed on that one
2022-07-16 10:40:30	shadowless	is there a real benefit to hibernating vs just shutting down and starting? (besides being too lazy to save your work in progress)
2022-07-16 10:50:02	dav1d	shadowless, no not really, but I like to keep my workspaces
2022-07-16 10:50:26	dav1d	especially since booting from zero nowadays is faster than hibernating
2022-07-16 10:50:54	zerox2a	!paste
2022-07-16 10:50:54	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-07-16 10:52:47	caffery156	is matrix bridge banned here?
2022-07-16 10:53:34	zerox2a	I have a nvidia graphics card and I am using the nvidia closed source driver with gnome and x11. since some days I can no longer start chromium/chrome because of some vaapi error. see this paste here https://bpa.st/GYVQ
2022-07-16 10:53:34	phrik	Title: View paste GYVQ (at bpa.st)
2022-07-16 10:53:44	zerox2a	anyone an idea?
2022-07-16 10:53:48	thurstylark	caffery156: no, but the libera.chat bridge has been having difficulties with larger rooms recently
2022-07-16 10:54:18	caffery156	man looks like i need to rent a vps for a bouncer :/
2022-07-16 10:55:22	thurstylark	you running your own homeserver?
2022-07-16 10:56:31	caffery156	no was using a free vps(if you can call that) on xshellz
2022-07-16 10:57:15	thurstylark	...as a homeserver...?
2022-07-16 10:57:47	caffery156	yep
2022-07-16 10:57:56	Khorne	You should specifiy that youre talking about a matrix homeserver thurstylark 
2022-07-16 10:58:01	Khorne	And not a server running at home
2022-07-16 10:58:16	barometz	dang that's some confusing naming right there
2022-07-16 10:58:20	thurstylark	I figured the matrix context was obvious
2022-07-16 10:58:47	barometz	if someone doesn't know matrix, "homeserver" having a special meaning in that context is not at all obvious
2022-07-16 10:58:49	caffery156	ah sorry was talking about znc bouncer.And no i am not running a matrix homeserver
2022-07-16 10:59:01	caffery156	XD
2022-07-16 10:59:12	caffery156	thurstylark
2022-07-16 10:59:38	Khorne	Yea, it's pretty stupid naming from matrix tbh
2022-07-16 11:01:09	caffery156	ya could have named it fedration server or something
2022-07-16 11:01:21	thurstylark	ahh, I see. The reason I ask is that bridge behavior is affected greatly by which homeserver you're using. You'll have less trouble with matrix.org or something with its own bridge set up. I run my own and joining channels directly through libera.chat's bridge is hit and miss ime :P
2022-07-16 11:02:16	caffery156	matrix.org is the homeserver  i am using for matrix-libera chat 
2022-07-16 11:02:20	Khorne	Most of Matrix behavior is pretty hit or miss depending on which server you use :P
2022-07-16 11:02:44	thurstylark	that's fair :P
2022-07-16 11:10:03	caffery156	dang i got disconnect lol
2022-07-16 11:59:27	thurstylark	So, I did a rebuild of a bunch of packages in my personal/aur repo, but didn't do any pkgver bumps. Is there a way to get pacman to reinstall a package *and* force it to redownload from the repo?
2022-07-16 11:59:52	lolok	pkgrel bump instead?
2022-07-16 12:00:00	thurstylark	or is this just a case of "delete it from the cache and just `pacman -S package`"?
2022-07-16 12:00:44	thurstylark	lolok: the goal is to be lazy and avoid needing to rebuild the packages in question :P
2022-07-16 12:01:04	thurstylark	but yeah, that would have been a great idea had I thought of it at the time :P
2022-07-16 12:01:46	lolok	you can use `-U thefile.pgk..tar.gz` to installl whichever you already build
2022-07-16 12:02:16	lolok	the `-S` flag is to get from sync db
2022-07-16 12:02:39	lolok	s/\.\././
2022-07-16 12:02:43	thurstylark	well, this is for many clients. The clients that I want to do this on access the repo via https
2022-07-16 12:02:48	thurstylark	like a normal repo
2022-07-16 12:03:13	lolok	in that case, you really should bump the pkgrel and bite the rebuild, its the proper way to do it,
2022-07-16 12:03:51	lolok	if you still have the buildfiles around you can probably change them manually and just repack it
2022-07-16 12:04:12	lolok	or get them by unpacking
2022-07-16 12:06:52	thurstylark	meh, I've still got the list easily accessible, and aurutils helps by presenting me all the PKGBUILDS, so I just did the pkgrel bumps and kicked off the rebuilds
2022-07-16 12:21:26	lolok	the files in the linux-firmware package, can you blacklist them individually? the wiki redirects 'firmware' to 'fwupd' lol
2022-07-16 12:24:49	thurstylark	lolok: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Skip_files_from_being_installed_to_system
2022-07-16 12:24:50	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-16 12:25:04	thurstylark	lolok: or https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Skip_file_from_being_upgraded
2022-07-16 12:25:05	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-16 12:26:42	lolok	i was thinking doing it at boot time rather than install time :)
2022-07-16 12:27:30	lolok	or maybe similar to how you blacklist a kernel module
2022-07-16 12:28:05	lolok	but thx anyway this is still better than just deleting or renaming the files out of /usr
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2022-07-16 13:34:27	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-07-16 13:34:29	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
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2022-07-16 13:36:16	HuntsMan	are there ways to protect a process from the OOM killer? I have a server running some compute, and the OOM killer killed dropbear, meaning I could not connect through ssh, I thought that should not happen
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2022-07-16 13:39:55	SysGhost	HuntsMan: you can change the priority in which order the OOM killer goes through processes.
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2022-07-16 13:40:38	SysGhost	each process has an oom_adj, and the lower it is, the less likely it is too be OOM killed. like a priority value.
2022-07-16 13:41:01	SysGhost	see /proc/$PID/oom_adj
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2022-07-16 13:44:32	SysGhost	a value of -17 will protect the process from being OOM-killed completely.
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2022-07-16 14:04:42	MrElendig	OOMScoreAdjust and friends
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2022-07-16 14:39:27	whk	!paste
2022-07-16 14:39:28	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-07-16 15:44:53	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
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2022-07-16 15:44:56	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-16 17:08:28	domino14	hi all. does anyone know if i'm basically just stuck forever typing "ibt=off" in my grub config prior to booting?
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2022-07-16 17:08:52	domino14	there's been multiple linux kernel releases since this bug was introduced and it's not fixed. how do i make this permanent
2022-07-16 17:08:57	wez	domino14: I don't know sorry
2022-07-16 17:09:08	wez	What is the bug?
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2022-07-16 17:09:55	domino14	https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules/issues/256
2022-07-16 17:10:15	Warepire	domino14: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Additional_arguments ?
2022-07-16 17:10:16	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-16 17:10:20	MacGyver	domino14: Depends on whether Nvidia gets their shit together.
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2022-07-16 17:10:32	MacGyver	domino14: I.e. we can't answer your question.
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2022-07-16 17:10:48	domino14	why wouldn't linux just automatically ibt=off everything until nvidia gets their shit together
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2022-07-16 17:11:00	MacGyver	domino14: Until then, make it part of grub's default arguments and regenerate your config.
2022-07-16 17:11:21	MacGyver	domino14: Because not every combination of hardware is hit by this issue.
2022-07-16 17:11:32	⚡ 	wez hands MacGyver a rubber band, paper clip and a plastic sheat
2022-07-16 17:11:44	wez	GO!
2022-07-16 17:11:51	MacGyver	wez: I'm not Nvidia.
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2022-07-16 17:12:16	wez	MacGyver: So you're not going to make a GPU out of those items?
2022-07-16 17:12:22	Warepire	domino14: The kernel developers doesn't care about broken 3rd party modules, and rightfully so, otherwise all their time would be taken up by working around other peoples bugs. The proper thing for nVidia to do is to upstream their drivers, but they don't... so blame nVidia for being bad.
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2022-07-16 17:14:12	wez	MacGyver: What will you make out of those items?
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2022-07-16 17:14:41	lolok	!grab Warepire 
2022-07-16 17:14:41	phrik	lolok: Tada!
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2022-07-16 17:17:44	GaM3r2Xtreme	I'm making an EFI partition for a VM of arch. Is there a particular rule of thumb on the size this partition should be?
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2022-07-16 17:19:21	artefact	depend mostly on your bootloader
2022-07-16 17:19:37	artefact	couple hundred megs should be safe for any reasonable setup
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2022-07-16 17:23:18	lolok	i think 300mb or 500mb is the minimum for the standard
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2022-07-16 17:23:33	MrElendig	depends on how much stuff you are planning to dump on it
2022-07-16 17:23:45	lolok	yea you can make it bigger if you want
2022-07-16 17:23:48	MrElendig	each kernel/initrd will take about 100meg if you include the fallback
2022-07-16 17:23:58	domino14	well i set this option in /etc/default/grub -- `
2022-07-16 17:23:59	domino14	p
2022-07-16 17:24:02	lolok	you shouldnt put your kernel in the esp...
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2022-07-16 17:24:17	domino14	GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="ibt=off" but it didn't do anything. i still had to manually add that on reboot
2022-07-16 17:24:20	MrElendig	lolok: its perfectly fine to do so
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2022-07-16 17:24:36	MrElendig	domino14: you have to regenerate the config
2022-07-16 17:24:51	lolok	its unadvisable tho, theres no benefit, its something you only do if you need to
2022-07-16 17:24:59	MrElendig	lolok: not really
2022-07-16 17:25:16	MrElendig	and not everyone wants to use grub
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2022-07-16 17:25:45	MrElendig	domino14: man grub-config
2022-07-16 17:26:11	MrElendig	er.. silly grub no man page, so throw a -h at it instead
2022-07-16 17:26:17	lolok	he already using grub, and not only grub can boot from other filesystems, no reason to even mount esp normally
2022-07-16 17:26:31	artefact	lolok: there's no drawback either. and the benefit is that the bootloader doesn't care what filesystem / is
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2022-07-16 17:27:02	lolok	there is tho, because you have it mounted rw and its FAT, you can nuke it pretty easy
2022-07-16 17:27:10	MrElendig	lolok: GaM3r2Xtreme never mentioned grub
2022-07-16 17:27:15	domino14	i did this: sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2022-07-16 17:27:20	domino14	now let me try rebooting again..
2022-07-16 17:27:28	artefact	lolok: that's your argument? / is also mounted read-write, you can nuke it pretty easily
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2022-07-16 17:27:35	domino14	basically i'm leaving for a while and need my server to stay ssh-able ..
2022-07-16 17:27:45	artefact	it's trivial to write a hook that mounts /efi rw (or at all) only during kernel upgrades
2022-07-16 17:27:46	MrElendig	and losing the kernel isn't a problem
2022-07-16 17:27:47	lolok	artefact not ext4 lol
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2022-07-16 17:28:21	MrElendig	(some vps providers expects the kernel to be on the esp too)
2022-07-16 17:28:23	artefact	(insert joke about e2fsck being able to "repair" a filesystem from /dev/random)
2022-07-16 17:28:54	lolok	at least theres an option ffs how you gonna repair FAT?
2022-07-16 17:29:15	artefact	mkfs, grub-install and mkinitcpio?
2022-07-16 17:29:22	MrElendig	you don't, you just mkfs it again
2022-07-16 17:29:30	artefact	it's not like it contains anything vitally important that can't trivially be regenrerated
2022-07-16 17:29:30	MrElendig	though fsck.vfat do exist
2022-07-16 17:29:47	artefact	also it's not that easy to nuke it
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2022-07-16 17:29:51	MrElendig	and its not like the kernel is any more important than the bootloader
2022-07-16 17:30:00	lolok	mhm have fun finding your installer usb while i just boot lts kernel from grub like nothing happened
2022-07-16 17:30:03	MrElendig	if the esp goes bad you are not booting anyway
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2022-07-16 17:30:43	lolok	ecastly thats why i dont ever mount it
2022-07-16 17:33:23	MrElendig	having it mounted or not doesn't really change anything
2022-07-16 17:33:23	lolok	its a lot easier to loose it when its mounted rw man get real
2022-07-16 17:33:23	artefact	ok, then
2022-07-16 17:33:23	MrElendig	not really
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2022-07-16 17:33:23	artefact	tell that to systemd back when it mounted efivarsfs read-write. *that* could actually brick your system
2022-07-16 17:33:23	MrElendig	artefact: only because of broken hardware, and didn't only affect systemd
2022-07-16 17:33:23	lolok	systemd being bad does not make putting your kernel on esp if you dont need it there something sane to do
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2022-07-16 17:33:23	artefact	ok, different ideology. you think fat32 is so bad mounting it rw will nuke it (it won't), i think shoving a dumbed down, mostly unaudited and redundant filesystem implementation in a bootloader is worse
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2022-07-16 17:33:50	artefact	if you think i'm exaggerating, see https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Project_ideas#Audit_btrfs_code_in_bootloaders
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2022-07-16 17:34:23	lolok	i mean i said ext4 but sure we can shit on btrfs instead if thats what you chose to use as /boot
2022-07-16 17:34:23	GaM3r2Xtreme	yeah, I don't think grub is going to be on here. this is a VM I'm setting up, so I don't really need grub on the virtual disk.
2022-07-16 17:35:32	GaM3r2Xtreme	lolok: thanks for the input though. I went with 128M and I'll hope for the best. 1G or 500M seems like a waste of space for a system running as a VM imo.
2022-07-16 17:35:52	artefact	if you use grub, you only really need a couple megabytes
2022-07-16 17:36:19	Scimmia	For an actual VM, you still need a bootloader
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2022-07-16 17:37:27	lolok	apparently it can be as small as 2mb https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFI_system_partition#Create_the_partition
2022-07-16 17:37:28	phrik	Title: EFI system partition - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-16 17:37:59	⚡ 	teraflops adds boot entries using efibootmgr for his linux VMs
2022-07-16 17:38:54	MrElendig	for one of my vps proviers you just stuff kernels onto the esp and the hypervisor picks them up (any boot params are set in their web interface9
2022-07-16 17:39:08	teraflops	same here
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2022-07-16 17:39:57	Scimmia	MrElendig: using the built in stub loader in the kernel?
2022-07-16 17:40:14	MrElendig	they run xcp-ng with some custom frontend afaik
2022-07-16 17:40:15	GaM3r2Xtreme	I'm kind of following the installation guide. I haven't seen anythig mentioned about installing a bootloader just yet. Only that there needs to be an EFI partion if boot mode is EFI (which I'm in from the looks of it): https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide
2022-07-16 17:40:17	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-16 17:41:07	MrElendig	GaM3r2Xtreme: I mostly use systemd-boot on the vm's that doesn't have their own stuff
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2022-07-16 17:44:47	GaM3r2Xtreme	OK, I'll look into this. Looks like from what everyone is saying, use grub or the systemd-boot is the way to go.
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2022-07-16 17:46:09	teraflops	you can use plain efibootmgr as well, not recommending it, just saying
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2022-07-16 17:56:09	artefact	or just slap a unified image into \efi\boot\bootx64.efi
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2022-07-16 18:55:46	Furai	Were there any reports from people regarding changing HDMI volume? For whatever reason in some recent updates it seems that the slider does nothing for me. 
2022-07-16 18:55:52	ℹ 	horix1 es conocido ahora como horix0
2022-07-16 18:56:03	another|	Furai: Which sound server
2022-07-16 18:56:26	Furai	pipewire
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2022-07-16 18:56:48	another|	Where do you change it?
2022-07-16 18:56:53	Furai	I wonder if it's visual glitch with Gnome? Something in Nvidia drivers or actually pipewire.
2022-07-16 18:57:06	Furai	gnome sound options
2022-07-16 18:57:30	Furai	nvm, it works now...
2022-07-16 18:57:38	Furai	must have been some visual glitch
2022-07-16 18:57:46	another|	ok
2022-07-16 18:58:37	Furai	Thanks for asking this question. It seems this is an issue with gnome add-on for sound in the panel.
2022-07-16 18:58:41	MrElendig	or you were controlling the wrong output
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2022-07-16 21:06:16	Abdullah	Hi folks, my touchpad stops working after resume from suspend. 
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2022-07-16 21:06:43	Abdullah	Only after I suspend/lid close for some minutes like 20 or so
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2022-07-16 21:07:08	Abdullah	so I have to manually modprobe psmouse. 
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2022-07-16 21:12:08	ℹ 	Abdullah es conocido ahora como help
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2022-07-16 21:12:38	Booni	hey guys
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2022-07-16 21:12:53	Booni	is it safe to delete /var/cache/pacman? As it's taking too much space of my root partition
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2022-07-16 21:13:38	MrElendig	Booni: pacman -Scc will do it for you
2022-07-16 21:13:43	MrElendig	and generally yes
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2022-07-16 21:13:58	MrElendig	ask yourself: how often have you needed to pacman -U a package from there?
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2022-07-16 21:15:07	Booni	Never
2022-07-16 21:15:21	MrElendig	there you go
2022-07-16 21:15:29	Booni	I only had to use -U for packages I compiled with makepkg in home directory never from /var
2022-07-16 21:15:39	susi	I have a paccache (from pacman-contrib) hook to keep /var/cache/pacman/pkg clean
2022-07-16 21:15:43	Booni	Thank you :))
2022-07-16 21:15:53	MrElendig	check out the -i flag for makepkg while you are at it
2022-07-16 21:16:09	Booni	susi:  just installed pacman-contrib today 
2022-07-16 21:16:14	Booni	maybe I'll give it a run
2022-07-16 21:16:16	susi	Booni: see paccache
2022-07-16 21:16:30	susi	I think it comes with a pacman hook to keep pkg cache clean
2022-07-16 21:16:32	help	I have touchpad problems. How to resolve it...
2022-07-16 21:16:41	Booni	MrElendig:  -i is to install after compile if I remember correctly right?
2022-07-16 21:17:12	Booni	help:  would be better to be a bit more detailed, like what type of touchpad problems you are experiencing 
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2022-07-16 21:17:21	Warepire	help: Please post your journal from around suspend and resume.
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2022-07-16 21:17:32	Warepire	!give help paste
2022-07-16 21:17:32	phrik	help: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-07-16 21:28:07	help	Warepire: https://bpa.st/GPMQ
2022-07-16 21:28:08	phrik	Title: View paste GPMQ (at bpa.st)
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2022-07-16 21:29:11	help	Just enabled it using modprobe -r psmoues; modprobe psmouse to paste the contents in browser.
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2022-07-16 21:31:37	Warepire	help: If you never modprobe psmouse on the first boot, I suspect that it's another driver that handles the touchpad initially.
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2022-07-16 21:32:58	help	Warepire: I don't modprobe on first boot. it works without some problems. only after suspend, it stops working
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2022-07-16 21:37:28	help	is there some solution?
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2022-07-16 21:39:58	britney	is anyone else having problems with element desktop randomly crashing and requiring a login when it is started back up again?
2022-07-16 21:40:24	MrElendig	britney: according to their bug tracker, yes
2022-07-16 21:40:33	britney	oh!
2022-07-16 21:40:42	britney	thats probably where I should have looked
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2022-07-16 21:43:21	MrElendig	britney: https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+crash
2022-07-16 21:43:54	britney	MrElendig, thank you =)
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2022-07-16 21:44:30	MrElendig	without is:open too
2022-07-16 21:44:51	MrElendig	a bit confusing that the tracker is on element-web instead of element-desktop
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2022-07-16 21:45:33	Vorpal	I asked a question a few hours ago but got no replies. Trying again
2022-07-16 21:45:45	Vorpal	I have a weird issue after a recent KDE upgrade. Notifications make sound. All of them. I'm okay with errors making sound but spotify when it shows the next track it is playing should *not* make sound. I can't find a setting to turn it off. I can find a setting to add sounds to notifications for specific programs, but that is already off.
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2022-07-16 21:45:59	Vorpal	I did find a setting for turning off the notification sound for all programs
2022-07-16 21:46:04	Vorpal	but that is not quite what I want
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2022-07-16 21:50:49	MrElendig	Vorpal: suddently dconf doesn't sound so bad after all
2022-07-16 21:51:09	Vorpal	hah, if there was a setting for it in dconf though
2022-07-16 21:51:17	Vorpal	2/3 of the time there is nothing
2022-07-16 21:51:29	MrElendig	kde doesn't use it so :p
2022-07-16 21:51:38	Vorpal	well even on gnome I mean
2022-07-16 21:51:42	Vorpal	KDE uses ini files so yeah
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2022-07-16 21:51:52	MrElendig	the gvdb format isn't too horrible
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2022-07-16 21:52:14	Vorpal	MrElendig: at least I can somewhat sensibly version control and sync the ini files. The dconf file is a binary blob
2022-07-16 21:52:30	MrElendig	Vorpal: which is an advantage
2022-07-16 21:52:46	MrElendig	(and it can export to xml if you really want to)
2022-07-16 21:52:47	Vorpal	version control and sync is an advantage yes
2022-07-16 21:53:13	MrElendig	I mean the binary format is an advantage in day to day use
2022-07-16 21:53:15	Vorpal	I use a dot file manager (chezmoi) so yeah I care about that
2022-07-16 21:53:20	MrElendig	its *much* faster 
2022-07-16 21:53:34	Vorpal	KDE starts as quick as Cinnamon or Gnome for me.
2022-07-16 21:53:41	MrElendig	(and less error prone)
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2022-07-16 21:54:04	⚡ 	MrElendig have had kde brick itself due to writing bad values into its ini files
2022-07-16 21:54:09	Vorpal	there are other issues with it, such as mixing state and settings in the same file. But I have seen that in dconf too
2022-07-16 21:54:33	Vorpal	with state I mean stuff like window positions or recently opened files
2022-07-16 21:54:51	Vorpal	MrElendig: never had that issue. I had that issue with firefox and prefs.js though
2022-07-16 21:55:13	MrElendig	bha this all was for ot of course
2022-07-16 21:55:29	Vorpal	oh
2022-07-16 21:55:30	Vorpal	right
2022-07-16 21:55:40	Vorpal	what about my other KDE question though?
2022-07-16 21:55:47	Vorpal	with the weird notification things
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2022-07-16 21:56:48	MrElendig	I would poke the kde channel about that
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2022-07-16 21:57:11	Vorpal	MrElendig: I did, got no reply
2022-07-16 21:57:16	Vorpal	#kde is pretty dead
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2022-07-16 21:57:51	MrElendig	they mostly moved to matrix
2022-07-16 21:58:27	Vorpal	oh
2022-07-16 21:58:36	Vorpal	yeah I should probably get matrix
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2022-07-16 21:59:12	gehidore	ctrl-?ctrl-?ctrl-?
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2022-07-16 21:59:52	britney	MrElendig, fair enough, thanks again. 
2022-07-16 22:00:25	Vorpal	oh yeah I remember trying it actually. The "element" program
2022-07-16 22:00:28	Vorpal	it was a shitshow
2022-07-16 22:00:46	MrElendig	there are quite a few other matrix clients out there
2022-07-16 22:00:52	Vorpal	it didn't sync properly between computers. Voice group call was a complete bust
2022-07-16 22:00:58	MrElendig	sadly most don't support webauth/sso
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2022-07-16 22:02:12	Vorpal	MrElendig: which one do you recommend?
2022-07-16 22:02:16	Vorpal	that is not Gnome based
2022-07-16 22:02:50	Vorpal	the jitsi support utterly sucked. But I guess it doesn't matter for this
2022-07-16 22:03:05	MrElendig	I use element because it does webauth and sso
2022-07-16 22:03:17	Vorpal	is that needed for matrix.org?
2022-07-16 22:03:25	Vorpal	as opposed to some other provider
2022-07-16 22:03:33	MrElendig	sadly, they only support it on desktop/web, mobile goes "oh we implemented it but we haven't bothered to enable it for a year"
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2022-07-16 22:04:30	Vorpal	is there a feature matrix (hah) for matrix clients somewhere?
2022-07-16 22:04:45	MrElendig	yea, but not being kept up to date
2022-07-16 22:05:10	MrElendig	weechat can do matrix btw (but the script for it kinda sucks)
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2022-07-16 22:05:21	Vorpal	right, but that would mean using weechat :(
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2022-07-16 22:12:11	apollo	hey guys
2022-07-16 22:12:31	apollo	how do i disable my computer from going to sleepingshell2 
2022-07-16 22:12:37	apollo	to sleep*  
2022-07-16 22:13:19	MrElendig	disable suspend?
2022-07-16 22:13:22	apollo	i disabled hibernate mode and search through systemd systemctl and could not find the answer
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2022-07-16 22:13:56	apollo	while im watching a movie it goes into a black screen, thats what i'm refering to as sleep mode. sorry if im mistake 
2022-07-16 22:14:09	apollo	goes into a black screen after about 15min 
2022-07-16 22:14:10	Vorpal	that would be dpms I believe
2022-07-16 22:14:21	Vorpal	apollo: does the mouse wake the screen?
2022-07-16 22:14:23	MrElendig	which video player, wm and xorg or wayland?
2022-07-16 22:14:32	apollo	Vorpal yes 
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2022-07-16 22:15:14	apollo	MrElendig any actually, even yt, if i leave the  computer for 15min it just goes into a black screen, not a big deal but when im watching a movie its annoying
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2022-07-16 22:15:27	MrElendig	apollo: that is only 1/3 of the questions
2022-07-16 22:15:37	apollo	xorg
2022-07-16 22:15:41	apollo	qtile
2022-07-16 22:15:59	MrElendig	mpv should have working inhibit for screen blanking then unless you are doing something silly
2022-07-16 22:16:06	MrElendig	so should most other players
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2022-07-16 22:16:54	apollo	watching yt on qutebrowser/firefox or streaming movies doesn't 
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2022-07-16 22:16:59	MrElendig	yt in most browsers too unless you are using firejail
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2022-07-16 22:17:06	MrElendig	(no idea if qutebrowser supports it)
2022-07-16 22:17:19	apollo	is there a way to disable it?  
2022-07-16 22:17:32	MrElendig	you can disable all screen blanking
2022-07-16 22:17:47	teraflops	there is caffeine the app if you are out of ideas
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2022-07-16 22:20:49	kavothe	$ setterm -powersave off -blank 0  -  Wouldn't this work on xorg?
2022-07-16 22:21:06	MrElendig	no
2022-07-16 22:21:21	MrElendig	use xset for xorg
2022-07-16 22:21:32	coruja	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Display_Power_Management_Signaling#Disabling_DPMS
2022-07-16 22:21:33	apollo	xseet dpms force off
2022-07-16 22:21:33	phrik	Title: Display Power Management Signaling - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-16 22:21:44	apollo	found it didn't know it was called dpms 
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2022-07-16 22:21:52	apollo	thanks guys 
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2022-07-16 22:22:34	apollo	*xset s off -dpms 
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2022-07-16 22:25:53	david12345	HuntsMan: Hey, Im back. Got stable desktop now. took me forever, but is working. Now I have audio issues. No Speakers. audio settings in plasma says Speakers (unavailable). I installed all the alsa stuff, installed pulseaudo stuff. was following the asla wiki trying to unmute the channels but there is no Speaker channel, get an error amixer: Unable to find simple control 'Speaker',0. I have
2022-07-16 22:25:53	david12345	alsa-firmware, sof-firmware, and alsa-uc
2022-07-16 22:25:54	david12345	nf installed.
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2022-07-17 10:07:56	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
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2022-07-17 10:04:03	thurstylark	herjazz: what does the journal say?
2022-07-17 10:04:33	thurstylark	also, I think you can get a little more insight into the DHCP process if you turn up the verbosity of NM's logs
2022-07-17 10:05:27	thurstylark	INFO or higher, I believe: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8/html/configuring_and_managing_networking/introduction-to-networkmanager-debugging_configuring-and-managing-networking#debugging-levels-and-domains_introduction-to-networkmanager-debugging
2022-07-17 10:05:29	phrik	Title: Chapter 49. Introduction to NetworkManager Debugging Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8 | Red Hat Customer PortalRed Hat Customer Portal - Access to 24x7 support and knowledge (at access.redhat.com)
2022-07-17 10:05:53	thurstylark	(I wouldn't go higher than INFO unless it doesn't include the logs you're looking for)
2022-07-17 10:07:56	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-17 11:03:54	salkin	Hi ya! So sometimes my wifi device is not present after a boot. Here is the dmesg -> https://paste.oddodd.org/
2022-07-17 11:03:54	salkin	See the `iwlwifi-cc-a0-72.ucode failed with error -2`.. whats up with that? If I reboot, then all is good.
2022-07-17 11:03:55	phrik	Title: paste (at paste.oddodd.org)
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2022-07-17 11:17:27	salkin	I dont understand why it fails during boot, lets say 1/5 times.
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2022-07-17 11:23:15	salkin	aaand the dmesg's are identical between boots. i.e. a boot with no working wifi device and a boot with a working wifi device
2022-07-17 11:23:32	salkin	so ? I'm in the blank here :)
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2022-07-17 11:24:37	salkin	I guess 1/5 times I just have to boot my computer and then reboot immediately again, if I want my wifi/bluetooth device to work.
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2022-07-17 11:25:31	salkin	any help much appreciated
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2022-07-17 11:27:42	teraflops	salkin: are you doing dual boot w/ windows?
2022-07-17 11:27:59	salkin	nope, only on Arch here
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2022-07-17 11:38:28	Namarrgon	salkin: uname -r
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2022-07-17 11:39:07	salkin	Namarrgon: 5.18.10-arch1-1
2022-07-17 11:39:20	Namarrgon	update the system, reboot and post the full kernel log, not just snippets
2022-07-17 11:39:47	salkin	oki, thanks. Will be back soon.
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2022-07-17 11:47:05	salkin	Namarrgon: full dmesg here: https://paste.oddodd.org/ , ofcourse on this boot the wifi device is working fine
2022-07-17 11:47:06	phrik	Title: paste (at paste.oddodd.org)
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2022-07-17 11:48:43	Ckat	so uuuh, wxwgtk-common and wxgtk3 were moved to some extra packages but wxgtk2 wasnt meaning I cant replace those with the new ones in extra either since wxgtk2 deps wxgtk-common
2022-07-17 11:48:57	Ckat	is that supposed to be how it is or do I look disappointed at my mirrors again
2022-07-17 11:48:58	Namarrgon	Ckat: remove wxgtk2
2022-07-17 11:49:06	Ckat	things still rely on wxgtk2
2022-07-17 11:49:12	Namarrgon	which things?
2022-07-17 11:49:18	Namarrgon	salkin: make it fail again
2022-07-17 11:49:30	Ckat	gtk2
2022-07-17 11:49:39	salkin	Namarrgon: will do
2022-07-17 11:49:43	Namarrgon	Ckat: pactree -r wxgtk2
2022-07-17 11:49:59	Ckat	wait I read that in reverse
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2022-07-17 11:50:05	Ckat	you're right actually, neat
2022-07-17 11:50:36	Ckat	man I thought for a second it was all going to be a huge mess again, phew
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2022-07-17 12:02:09	Vorpal	I saw that the newer wx apparently also supports qt. Cool. Is that a build time option or how does that work?
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2022-07-17 12:29:44	CalimeroTeknik	where is the finger(1) utility available if at all?
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2022-07-17 12:31:37	CalimeroTeknik	oh uhm, aur/netkit-bsd-finger maybe. I missed that the first time I looked, with all this "fingerprint" stuff
2022-07-17 12:32:21	Vorpal	CalimeroTeknik: pkgfile is a good tool to find what package provides a file
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2022-07-17 12:33:01	Vorpal	though in this case it doesn't seem to be in the official repos indeed
2022-07-17 12:33:14	CalimeroTeknik	yeah, pkgfile returned no results
2022-07-17 12:33:17	Vorpal	as far as I know it is a relic of the past and you probably shouldn't need it
2022-07-17 12:33:51	MD87	There's pinky(1) in coreutils which is a "lightweight finger" whatever that means
2022-07-17 12:34:01	salkin	CalimeroTeknik: if you are using `paru`. Then `lsparu` may help you get an overview more easily
2022-07-17 12:34:07	CalimeroTeknik	oh!
2022-07-17 12:34:32	Vorpal	MD87: presumably local host only
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2022-07-17 12:34:39	Vorpal	finger was originally a network protocol
2022-07-17 12:34:57	MD87	Ah, yeah
2022-07-17 12:35:27	CalimeroTeknik	honestly, this was for connecting to a relic anyway ^^
2022-07-17 12:35:53	Vorpal	oh retro computing? That's cool, but you should probably air gap the network
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2022-07-17 12:42:11	CalimeroTeknik	yes, pinky appears to not do the network thing
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2022-07-17 13:38:23	Khorne	It has been flagged two days ago..
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2022-07-17 13:38:49	powerman2206	Yeah but Discord being Discord, I can't use it without updating
2022-07-17 13:39:10	Khorne	And?
2022-07-17 13:39:18	powerman2206	I mean I *guess* I can download the .tar.gz and run it from the dir but then I don't have my customizations and plugins 
2022-07-17 13:39:23	Khorne	Update it yourself, test it, report your findings and patch back to the maintainer
2022-07-17 13:39:32	powerman2206	Me no knowy
2022-07-17 13:39:37	Khorne	Time to learn then
2022-07-17 13:39:40	powerman2206	But alright lemme search up how it's done
2022-07-17 13:40:05	Khorne	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Build_System
2022-07-17 13:40:06	phrik	Title: Arch Build System - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-17 13:40:15	powerman2206	Nah, I figured it out
2022-07-17 13:40:19	powerman2206	Just gotta change the PKGBUILD
2022-07-17 13:40:22	Khorne	Ye
2022-07-17 13:40:32	Khorne	Essentially
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2022-07-17 13:41:19	powerman2206	Then I just change the sum and it *should* work
2022-07-17 13:41:33	Khorne	If there's nothing else that kept it back on the version, yes
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2022-07-17 19:23:09	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-07-17 19:23:09	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1435 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1434 normals)
2022-07-17 19:07:26	codingkoopa	I'm confused because I don't recall there ever being a software being named that.
2022-07-17 19:07:28	Warepire	lmat: Most of the source was forked at one point and continues as https://github.com/ares-emulator/ares
2022-07-17 19:07:48	lmat	Warepire: Thank you for clearing that up. I didn't see the close reason, but I see it now.
2022-07-17 19:07:59	codingkoopa	Moreover, they published everything they had in progress before their passing. I don't think they have anything notable that there isn't public source for.
2022-07-17 19:08:00	lmat	codingkoopa: higan is very closely related.
2022-07-17 19:08:14	docrobot	higan was one of byuu's projects
2022-07-17 19:08:15	codingkoopa	There is higan but there's also, like, ares and bsnes, "byuu" is ambiguous.
2022-07-17 19:08:39	docrobot	codingkoopa: that's why i asked, byuu was the name of a programmer, not a program
2022-07-17 19:08:46	lmat	codingkoopa: Yes, byuu is ambiguous. The project(s) went through some naming gyrations. The byuu archlinux package was very much like higan, but a little easier to use.
2022-07-17 19:11:49	lmat	I think I'll first try getting the package from /var/cache/pacman/pkg on the other machine and installing it ^_^
2022-07-17 19:12:24	Warepire	lmat: As linked above, there's a fork under the name ares that continued what bsnes / higan started
2022-07-17 19:18:27	lmat	Warepire: I really liked byuu: didn't have to "import" games and other things, but yeah, I should probably get behind the new effort: ares...hmm
2022-07-17 19:18:32	lmat	my kids want to play Sailor Moon now...
2022-07-17 19:19:42	lmat	Okay, I'll install ares!!
2022-07-17 19:20:07	salkin	It seems the problem is Heftig's key.
2022-07-17 19:20:40	salkin	a search returns this: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=255968
2022-07-17 19:20:40	phrik	Title: What happened to heftig gpg key? / Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-07-17 19:20:44	salkin	but its OLD
2022-07-17 19:21:02	lmat	WINE!?
2022-07-17 19:21:06	lmat	what happened to heftig?
2022-07-17 19:21:06	salkin	but why am i getting this problem with `makepkg -s`
2022-07-17 19:21:31	salkin	i trying to patch the latest kernel
2022-07-17 19:21:47	salkin	my patch passes and all is good.
2022-07-17 19:22:04	salkin	but then it fails with ==> ERROR: One or more PGP signatures could not be verifie
2022-07-17 19:22:12	salkin	archlinux-linux git repo ... FAILED (unknown public key 3B94A80E50A477C7)
2022-07-17 19:23:09	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-07-17 19:23:23	salkin	im up to date. cleared my pacman cache just in case. and my keyring is up to date
2022-07-17 19:24:12	salkin	but sooomething is not up to date.. :) could it be `asp update linux; asp export linux`'s fault?
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2022-07-17 19:25:03	lmat	salkin: gpg --recv-keys 3B94A...; ? I'm newb, so perhaps you're way ahead of me here.
2022-07-17 19:25:09	salkin	or bigger chans PEBCAK super. But what?
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2022-07-17 19:25:52	zbe	salkin, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/makepkg#Signature_checking
2022-07-17 19:25:54	phrik	Title: makepkg - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-17 19:25:54	salkin	lmat: I'm newb total. 8=))
2022-07-17 19:26:23	salkin	ahhh really! it uses a different keyring
2022-07-17 19:26:50	salkin	but the keys suplied in the PKGBUILD
2022-07-17 19:26:56	salkin	comes from `asp export linux`
2022-07-17 19:27:42	◣	zcheng3 (~zcheng3@d198-53-38-251.abhsia.telus.net) ha salido (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2022-07-17 19:28:22	salkin	also its not even listed as 3B94A80...its listed as A2FF3A36AAA56654109064AB19802F8B0D70FC30 just before David Runge's key
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2022-07-17 19:32:20	salkin	okay newb me i see i see
2022-07-17 19:32:27	salkin	thanks zbe and lmat
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2022-07-17 19:33:08	salkin	BUT i though the idea with `asp update linux; asp export linux` was to be up to date
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2022-07-17 19:33:14	salkin	*thought
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2022-07-17 19:35:57	salkin	I guess i just really dont have an idea what I'm doing :) 
2022-07-17 19:36:03	salkin	gpg --recv-keys 3B94A80E50A477C7
2022-07-17 19:36:18	salkin	gpg: keyserver receive failed: Server indicated a failure
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2022-07-17 19:39:19	salkin	hmm something weird happend to my gpg conf
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2022-07-17 19:39:52	artefact	try a different keyserver
2022-07-17 19:39:58	teraflops	as in gpg --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys A5E9288C4FA415FA
2022-07-17 19:40:08	artefact	yeah
2022-07-17 19:41:27	salkin	thanks teraflops and artefact, but with that i'm getting: gpg: keyserver receive failed: Server indicated a failure
2022-07-17 19:41:48	salkin	is the problem the internet connect /ISP of this house here maybe?
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2022-07-17 19:43:07	teraflops	salkin: it worked here https://paste.priet.us/giNs.png
2022-07-17 19:44:01	salkin	that paste is blank here
2022-07-17 19:44:08	teraflops	o wait it didnt?
2022-07-17 19:44:14	lmat	Warepire: I just installed ares. This is supposed to be a continuation of byuu and higan!? The latter ones did not require wine!
2022-07-17 19:44:37	artefact	are you using a proxy? salkin 
2022-07-17 19:44:48	salkin	not right now. 
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2022-07-17 19:45:45	salkin	nope. just double checked.
2022-07-17 19:45:56	Warepire	lmat: If you installed this, it's not the emulator: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ares Read the description
2022-07-17 19:45:57	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - ares (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-07-17 19:46:14	Warepire	I think you're looking for https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ares-emu
2022-07-17 19:46:17	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - ares-emu (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-07-17 19:46:30	teraflops	gere it says, rejeted by import screener https://paste.priet.us/15j4.png
2022-07-17 19:46:35	teraflops	rejected
2022-07-17 19:47:04	lmat	Warepire: crap! Okay, thank you!
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2022-07-17 19:47:43	teraflops	it looks like ubuntu key server is having one of those days
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2022-07-17 19:47:51	salkin	hmm. :) teraflops: so now my problem is not really kernel patching haha. the bottleneck is the keys.
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2022-07-17 19:48:08	salkin	teraflops what other server could i try?
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2022-07-17 19:48:25	salkin	I really want to patch the kernel right now :)
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2022-07-17 19:49:52	salkin	does this work still? hkp://keys.gnupg.net
2022-07-17 19:50:02	◣	milkt (~debian@gateway/tor-sasl/milkt) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-07-17 19:50:24	salkin	regards lifelong newby from Denmark
2022-07-17 19:50:27	teraflops	salkin: this one is ok right now: pgp.mit.edu
2022-07-17 19:50:34	jkc	salkin: keys.gnupg.net doesn't exist as a domain.
2022-07-17 19:51:32	teraflops	it worked https://paste.priet.us/laPi.png
2022-07-17 19:51:32	jkc	And that's because the SKS keyserver pool is no longer an active service.
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2022-07-17 19:54:04	salkin	teraflops: yeah now i see the paste. Interesting using the exact same server here throws: again.. gpg: keyserver receive failed: Server indicated a failure
2022-07-17 19:54:08	salkin	hmmmMMmmmMm
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2022-07-17 19:55:14	salkin	I wonder if I am being blocked by the municipality here. Sitting at a municipality office here.. could that somehow be it?
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2022-07-17 19:59:58	salkin	hmm my entire trustdb.gpg is now just `gpg_q`
2022-07-17 20:00:03	teraflops	hmm, try adding the port number gpg --keyserver hkp://pgp.mit.edu:80 --recv-keys 3B94A80E50A477C7
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2022-07-17 20:00:40	teraflops	by default the use 11371 I think
2022-07-17 20:01:23	teraflops	they^
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2022-07-17 20:02:26	salkin	Is it a dirmngr problem?
2022-07-17 20:02:39	salkin	also with port 80 im getting failure
2022-07-17 20:02:50	Scimmia	are you using systemd-resolved?
2022-07-17 20:03:04	salkin	teraflops: im seeing `number of system provided CAs: 160`
2022-07-17 20:03:15	salkin	Scimmia: yep
2022-07-17 20:03:24	Scimmia	and did you set up /etc/resolv.conf as a symlink?
2022-07-17 20:03:38	salkin	and getting: commmand 'KS_GET' failed: Server indicated a failure
2022-07-17 20:04:02	salkin	Scimmia: manually? no I dont think so
2022-07-17 20:04:14	Scimmia	that could very well be your problem, then
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2022-07-17 20:04:26	salkin	! :]
2022-07-17 20:04:26	phrik	salkin: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
2022-07-17 20:04:28	Scimmia	see the resolved wiki page
2022-07-17 20:04:49	salkin	interesting
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2022-07-17 20:08:23	salkin	Scimmia: so i should create a soft symlink /etc/resolv.conf to the stub-resolv.conf?
2022-07-17 20:09:08	Scimmia	generally yes
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2022-07-17 20:10:22	salkin	oow woow. I see I see.. F***. the nameservers was changed by NordVPN. So now even when the service is not running and the vpn is not active. Nord still m,anages to ruin my system. hahah. they are newbie hostiles.
2022-07-17 20:11:08	salkin	Thanks everyone! Will try and clean up this mess. And see if i can get the keys. And finally patch the kernel.
2022-07-17 20:11:30	teraflops	yeah, at least there was a reason for the issue and Scimmia knew it
2022-07-17 20:11:51	salkin	teraflops, Scimmia, you rock!
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2022-07-17 20:13:41	Scimmia	That's one of those odd things that you figure out from issues like this here. Gnupg uses it's own resolver instead of glibc's, so it reads resolv.conf directly instead of going through nss
2022-07-17 20:13:55	salkin	To provide domain name resolution for software that reads /etc/resolv.conf directly, such as web browsers and GnuPG, systemd-resolved has four different modes for handling the file—stub, static, uplink and foreign
2022-07-17 20:14:00	salkin	I dit not know this!
2022-07-17 20:14:14	salkin	I though systemd-resolved had me fully covered
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2022-07-17 20:14:17	salkin	And it does
2022-07-17 20:14:40	salkin	But the some web browsers and gnupg is using resolv.conf directly
2022-07-17 20:14:45	salkin	WILD
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2022-07-17 20:17:01	salkin	Scimmia: Is it possible to picture a future where users dont have to bump into this issue to know that. And systemd just somehow instructs gnupg to use resolved dns if it is enabled and started. nevertheless what recides inside /etc/resolv.conf? So that it just automatically works.
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2022-07-17 20:17:58	jkc	salkin: resolv.conf should be pointing to resolved's stub resolver.
2022-07-17 20:18:23	salkin	yeah. will make the symlink.
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2022-07-17 20:19:24	salkin	and put a note in my system setup script so that i never forget :)
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2022-07-17 20:32:16	salkin	okay now on to the thing i really wanted to do :)
2022-07-17 20:32:57	salkin	my patch is applied. patching drivers/usb/core/config.c and sound/usb/card.c
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2022-07-17 20:33:12	salkin	the HUNK has succeeded
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2022-07-17 20:33:19	salkin	yubii
2022-07-17 20:33:26	salkin	but then a new issue arrises
2022-07-17 20:33:34	salkin	install: cannot stat 'arch/x86/boot/bzImage': No such file or directory
2022-07-17 20:33:39	artefact	!enter
2022-07-17 20:33:39	phrik	Please type full, complete sentences and use the enter key less. It aids readability and helps others follow the conversation.
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2022-07-17 20:34:01	salkin	artefact: sorry
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2022-07-17 20:36:03	salkin	I guess I need to add `make bzImage` somewhere. But again I'm puzzled by `asp export linux` I thought it was supposed to setup everything correctly. Or is it me who again is totally newbing cool and are missing some package?
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2022-07-17 20:37:19	artefact	are you using makepkg ?
2022-07-17 20:37:28	salkin	artefact: yep
2022-07-17 20:37:51	salkin	and my PKGBUILD comes from `asp export linux`
2022-07-17 20:37:55	artefact	and you're not getting a bzimage? it's definitely included in "make all", which the pkg calls
2022-07-17 20:38:42	salkin	artefact: then i dont know.. :) I'm using `makepkg -s`. Can post my PKGBUILD, 2 sek
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2022-07-17 20:39:25	artefact	does that command succeed? do you have a linux-something.tar.pkg.zst in your directory?
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2022-07-17 20:40:41	salkin	artefact: nope
2022-07-17 20:40:56	salkin	it fails at the missing bzImage
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2022-07-17 20:44:15	salkin	artefact: https://paste.oddodd.org/ see the latest paste there
2022-07-17 20:44:17	phrik	Title: paste (at paste.oddodd.org)
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2022-07-17 20:45:04	artefact	you commented the "make all" line?
2022-07-17 20:45:16	salkin	This all comes from `asp export linux` I just added my patch in the source()
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2022-07-17 20:45:23	salkin	artefact: hahah! noooooooo
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2022-07-17 20:46:20	salkin	I thought I had commented the make documentation part.. But there it is just behind it... `all`
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2022-07-17 20:47:06	salkin	thanks artefact! you have good goggles. 
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2022-07-17 20:47:40	salkin	Again thanks for holding my hand everybody. MUCH appreciated.
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2022-07-17 21:06:59	genericum	I just installed a newer version of firefox because I needed firefox-developer and when I changed to my tty it turned off the audio :(
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2022-07-18 18:34:51	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-07-18 18:34:51	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1444 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1443 normals)
2022-07-18 17:50:42	Blohsh	On a server running arch
2022-07-18 17:50:46	Blohsh	i see this guide
2022-07-18 17:50:46	Blohsh	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Rsync#Full_system_backup
2022-07-18 17:50:48	phrik	Title: rsync - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-18 17:51:24	Blohsh	my question is : Does anyone know a way to completely backup server, so after making mess (new packages, making changes to system) i can revert back like server is freshly installed? without using reinstall option
2022-07-18 17:51:31	Blohsh	will this help me?
2022-07-18 17:51:35	Blohsh	or work for me
2022-07-18 17:51:54	luigibu	hi, any know how can easyly swap btw two the budle php version and a custom php version?
2022-07-18 17:52:18	dav1d	luigibu, docker?
2022-07-18 17:52:25	dav1d	Blohsh, btrfs snapshots?
2022-07-18 17:52:39	SponiX	Blohsh: if you want an "easy way" boot off rescuezilla media, and let the gui walk you through the process
2022-07-18 17:53:27	luigibu	the project im working on.. dont have php in the container.. 
2022-07-18 17:53:36	SponiX	rsync -aAXHv --exclude={"/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found","/home/sponix/VM/*"} / /run/media/sponix/Backups/Arch_Backup
2022-07-18 17:54:00	SponiX	Blohsh: I run that script from /root as root user, and it should get most everything
2022-07-18 17:54:07	luigibu	so.. when y try to commit.. php-cs-fixer complains about the php version
2022-07-18 17:54:33	SponiX	Blohsh: but seriously for a full backup that can be restored easily rescuezilla is the way to go IMHO
2022-07-18 17:54:43	luigibu	in mac.. is easy to link differents php versions wih brew.. 
2022-07-18 17:54:55	luigibu	but cant figureout how to do it with arch
2022-07-18 17:58:09	Blohsh	SponiX, what if i say there is no resuce mode
2022-07-18 18:00:42	SponiX	Blohsh: the "rescuezilla boot media" is used both to make the image - and to recover from the image when needed. It is a live bootable media, that does not depend on your machines grub menu or anything
2022-07-18 18:01:06	SponiX	downside to it is, you have to take the machine offline while the backup/restore is being conducted
2022-07-18 18:01:21	SponiX	verses my rsync command that can backup most everything on the fly
2022-07-18 18:02:24	Blohsh	SponiX, its a vps
2022-07-18 18:02:48	SponiX	Blohsh: lol, you should have mentioned that to begin with :)
2022-07-18 18:02:54	Blohsh	:x
2022-07-18 18:03:13	Blohsh	"08:50 PM <Blohsh> On a server running arch"
2022-07-18 18:03:21	Blohsh	vps* 
2022-07-18 18:03:39	Blohsh	😊
2022-07-18 18:10:46	kek_	hi, powwered down my notebook. went away a bit. start it up. Now it's ultra laggy. Scrolling around in thunderbird or firefox takes 200-300% cpu. I have a very barebone system, disk is encrypted. Accessing it (i.e. press enter after passphrase) took like 10s (usually is instant). What could be the issue? Any pointers would be appreciated.
2022-07-18 18:12:00	Vorpal	kek_: powered down as in shut off or as in suspend+
2022-07-18 18:12:18	Vorpal	that should be a ? at the end, keys next to each other on this layout
2022-07-18 18:13:08	kek_	Vorpal, I used the command "poweroff"
2022-07-18 18:14:12	Vorpal	huh
2022-07-18 18:14:41	Vorpal	any errors in system logs? (journalctl, dmesg)
2022-07-18 18:15:58	Vorpal	or if not errors, anything unusual even
2022-07-18 18:16:12	kek_	Vorpal, only quickly checked dmesh, let me check journalctl. h4rd3n3d updated it during last week but sure, I can check updates. Did reboot, yep :) 
2022-07-18 18:17:59	Vorpal	Some possible causes of weird slowdowns: overheating (check with sensors from lm_sensors package). Disk problems (check using smartctl from smartmontools package).
2022-07-18 18:18:14	Vorpal	seems very strange to have disk slowdowns and CPU slowdowns though.
2022-07-18 18:18:46	Vorpal	also check idle CPU usage, is there some background process eating all CPU?
2022-07-18 18:34:51	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-07-18 18:36:17	Edu4rdSHL	kek_, which graphics card?
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2022-07-18 18:39:38	kek_	diskio seems fine, cpu might be fine too btw, I have 8 cores so 200% 300% might not be bad? Just seemed like a lot to me. It's a new old notebook, so I don't know "it" very well yet. dmesg only shows some acpi error, journalctl seems fine (but again, I'm not a pro). cpu usage very low in idle. 
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2022-07-18 18:40:16	kek_	Edu4rdSHL, hmm, let me check but it was one of those fancy modern hybrid things and honestly, I didn't set up anything fancy yet because I simply didn't had the time (my old laptop crashed and set this up quickly so I can work). 1 sec
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2022-07-18 18:43:39	kek_	Edu4rdSHL, https://termbin.com/wqd7 
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2022-07-18 18:49:46	kek_	brb
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2022-07-18 18:54:36	kek_	so... it's gone? I just got scared from my phone vibrating (it died), because I plugged it in to my notebook (to charge it, which it didn't do). Unplugged it, and now no lag? Must be a coincidence though... I'm much confused. Didn't do anything (was reading wiki on optimus). 
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2022-07-18 18:55:57	teraflops	poisonphone ;)
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2022-07-18 19:01:50	lmat	I'm having trouble with a particular machine. I maintain several arch linux machines, but on one of them, it seems any time I pacman -Syu; and install anything, it says "signature from "..." is invalid ... File ... is corrupted ... Do you want to delete it?"   This time, it's for the signature for heftig and lordheavym.
2022-07-18 19:02:22	lmat	If I delete the file and redownload, I have the same issue. I have tried  pacman -S archlinux-keyring; which doesn't output much of anything (it's up to date).
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2022-07-18 19:02:56	lmat	Is there some way to start over with my keystore?
2022-07-18 19:03:10	lmat	Or is there  a better approach to this problem?
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2022-07-18 19:05:51	kek_	men, I'm really curious what the issue was with my lag. :o can't reproduce anymore. I bet it was some kind of omen for disaster.
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2022-07-18 19:07:54	lmat	MrElendig said, "messing with pacman-key usually just makes it worse". I may have done that a while back.
2022-07-18 19:08:00	lmat	kek_: Better lay low a few days
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2022-07-18 19:08:30	ℹ 	rayanamukami8 es conocido ahora como rayanamukami
2022-07-18 19:09:36	lmat	Online, most of the errors say something like "signature from <so-and-so@gmail.com> is unknown trust". Mine says "signature from <so-and-so@gmail.com> is invalid". Is that a material difference?
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2022-07-18 19:10:01	Vorpal	kek_: maybe the phone was related? If you plug it back in?
2022-07-18 19:10:27	Vorpal	maybe a bad usb cable caused something to freak out
2022-07-18 19:10:51	grawity	lmat: can you check whether the downloaded files in /var/cache actually match their sha1 from `pacman -Sii`?
2022-07-18 19:10:54	kek_	Vorpal, tried - I mean the fact that it didn't charge at all might be telling something - no idea. 
2022-07-18 19:11:30	Vorpal	kek_: probably that the cable or one of the connectors is bad. Or it wasn't plugged in properly
2022-07-18 19:11:51	Vorpal	worth trying that with different cables / ports
2022-07-18 19:12:02	Vorpal	to see if it still doesn't charge
2022-07-18 19:12:27	teraflops	lmat: tried `pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su` ?
2022-07-18 19:14:25	kek_	Vorpal, charges fine now. I plugged it into the charging port (I have all those modern micro usb for everything) by accident. No idea if that somehow matters, I'm even more shit at hardware. 
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2022-07-18 19:18:15	Rayyan	is there a way i can see system logs from last session?
2022-07-18 19:18:28	Vorpal	no clue
2022-07-18 19:18:34	grawity	journalctl -b -1
2022-07-18 19:18:36	Vorpal	also the modern one is usb c, not micro
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2022-07-18 19:19:44	teraflops	yeah micro is not that new
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2022-07-18 19:24:01	Rayyan	on arch should you use fancontrol or just rely on the bios?
2022-07-18 19:24:24	kek_	Vorpal, ah yeha then it's usb c. 
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2022-07-18 19:25:31	kek_	anyway, I'm gone thanks for the help, have a nice day.
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2022-07-18 19:42:00	Vorpal	Rayyan: I would suggest using fan curves in bios if possible. fancontrol seem to have a fair number of associated warnings
2022-07-18 19:42:51	Dotz0cat	Is there a way to set a pacman hook for when a package updates to remind you to rebuild another package?
2022-07-18 19:43:54	teraflops	rebuild how? pacman only ships binaries
2022-07-18 19:44:06	teraflops	grabs rather
2022-07-18 19:44:20	grawity	as in "echo Hey, time to rebuild the AUR stuff"?
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2022-07-18 19:44:32	grawity	just make a hook that calls echo, I guess
2022-07-18 19:44:36	Dotz0cat	yes
2022-07-18 19:44:39	teraflops	ah I see
2022-07-18 19:45:06	grawity	we already have such a hook for Perl, even
2022-07-18 19:45:26	teraflops	there's something in the aur not sure how reliable is
2022-07-18 19:45:46	Vorpal	Dotz0cat: rebuild-detector has a hook already
2022-07-18 19:45:47	grawity	so if you need a reminder for specific packages, then yeah, make a basic hook that triggers on those packages and runs 'echo TIME TO REBUILD FOO'
2022-07-18 19:46:04	Dotz0cat	It hasent happend recently but whenever jsoncpp updates, I have to rebuild polybar. 
2022-07-18 19:46:42	Vorpal	I had mixed success with it. Ususually I don't notice the hook in the cacophony of other hooks (dkms, initramfs, etckeeper)
2022-07-18 19:46:49	Vorpal	snapper too
2022-07-18 19:47:14	Vorpal	Dotz0cat: it may be that rebuild-detector will work for you, and it is in the official repos
2022-07-18 19:48:09	teraflops	hmm I remember using that package but it was in the aur, maybe I'm mistaken
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2022-07-19 17:36:25	haritz	CubeTheThird: is the build system 'smart' enuf to fetch patches from a mailing list's patchwork with b4 ?
2022-07-19 17:36:35	haritz	I don't see any such commands inside the PKGBUILD file
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2022-07-19 17:39:17	Namarrgon	haritz: unless it's a cvs source it will be fetched by curl, with all of curl's "limitations"
2022-07-19 17:40:19	Namarrgon	*vcs
2022-07-19 17:41:29	haritz	it'd be nice if makepkg would allow for b4 to be used, although perhaps the best way to implement this is through custom code in prepare()
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2022-07-19 17:41:53	haritz	as it seems to be the standard way of fetching patches under discussion from a mailing list
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2022-07-19 18:17:39	Booni	Hallo
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2022-07-19 18:18:32	Booni	How do you guys manage your git packages? As in, I use Octopi/Yay to install them with dependencies makes things easier. But, how do you go about updating them? Do you make sure you update them in certain order? Is there  some tool? 
2022-07-19 18:18:52	grawity	isn't that the job of Yay etc
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2022-07-19 18:19:35	grawity	e.g. if package A depends on package B, yay knows that it needs to install B first -- similarly if both need upgrading, it should try to upgrade B first
2022-07-19 18:19:41	grawity	iirc
2022-07-19 18:20:06	Booni	Hello grawity!  to install yes, I use yay and it's frontend Octopi which they do an awesome job like I said.  But updating is trickier
2022-07-19 18:21:37	Booni	As far as I know, when -git packages are updated they don't show in thep ackage manager, as the PKGBUILD is rarely update since it will continue to pull the master archieve which usually stays the same.  the Pkgversion in the PKGBUILD gets updated automatically sometimes when a major change happens from what I understand, but not the package version of the PKGBUILD itself.
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2022-07-19 18:22:01	grawity	some AUR helpers are smart enough to check the upstream repo for -git packages
2022-07-19 18:22:04	Booni	So you have to run an install everytime and it syncs the tree, but it won't re-update dependencies like a first time instlal
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2022-07-19 18:24:34	Booni	grawity: ok, let's say example-A-git has an update, Yay notices and updates it. Will it also re-compile the dependency-git packages too?  Cause that has not been my experience till now, I alway had to update all the dependencies manually. 
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2022-07-19 18:27:52	lolok	with oops=panic and panic=1 i dont get a log of the error that caused the reboot, is there some way to get it, so i dont have to sysrq+EISUB to recover while debugging?
2022-07-19 18:28:03	grawity	hmm the package manager generally doesn't know whether dependent packages need a rebuild or not
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2022-07-19 18:29:25	vvn	if I have ssid1 on the 2.4ghz band and ssid2 on the 5ghz, does these two ssids usualy share the same lan?
2022-07-19 18:30:01	grawity	on home routers? they usually do, but not necessarily
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2022-07-19 18:30:11	grawity	sometimes it's an on/off option in settings
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2022-07-19 18:30:44	vvn	grawity: i'm trying to understand what's the difference with the "guest wifi" feature. I guess it's just a separate network
2022-07-19 18:31:16	grawity	it's either a real separate network, or a L2 filter (ebtables-like) that blocks access to other hosts
2022-07-19 18:32:08	grawity	in general, separate networks can communicate
2022-07-19 18:32:38	grawity	so if you just had a router offer two SSIDs with different subnets (regardless if they're on separate bands or not), there's nothing inherently stopping hosts on subnet A from talking to hosts on subnet B
2022-07-19 18:34:13	vvn	how can a single band (e.g. 5ghz) share two ssid (like your main one and the guest one)? I thought 1 band == 1 ssid
2022-07-19 18:34:13	grawity	no, there's no such limitation
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2022-07-19 18:34:14	vvn	grawity: well that would require a machine connected on both network and forwarding traffic 
2022-07-19 18:34:17	grawity	that's called a "router"
2022-07-19 18:34:28	grawity	literally your router's main job in the first place
2022-07-19 18:34:32	vvn	grawity: so you can have 10 SSIDs spanning a single 5Ghz band?
2022-07-19 18:34:37	grawity	yes
2022-07-19 18:34:42	BrainDamage	yes, poorly
2022-07-19 18:34:43	grawity	enterprise-ish access points often support up to 16 or 32 SSIDs
2022-07-19 18:34:52	grawity	on the same channel though, not just same band
2022-07-19 18:34:58	grawity	since it's one radio in the end
2022-07-19 18:35:04	BrainDamage	the more SSID you stuff in the same channel, the worse they perform
2022-07-19 18:35:20	grawity	yeah but if you only have 2-3 it's not that bad
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2022-07-19 18:35:28	grawity	like an EAP SSID and a guest or captive SSID
2022-07-19 18:36:09	vvn	I understand now why I can disable the 2.4Ghz band but still have a main and guest wi-fi 
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2022-07-19 18:36:51	vvn	is having multiple SSIDs spanning a single band something new standard-wise somehow or was I just living under a rock this whole time?
2022-07-19 18:37:18	grawity	you were just living under a home-router-shaped rock
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2022-07-19 18:38:15	grawity	afaik ssids are more of a logical separation thing than physical -- same radio just pretends to have two MAC addresses, sends two beacons (one per ssid), etc
2022-07-19 18:38:21	vvn	I was pretty sure 1 band == 1 ssid, but maybe that was a limitation from a previous router OS or wi-fi chip maybe
2022-07-19 18:38:28	BrainDamage	you "just" need multiple radios to have more than 1 channel
2022-07-19 18:38:39	BrainDamage	what grawity  said
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2022-07-19 18:39:00	BrainDamage	ssid is about destination packets, you can create hundreds with a single radio
2022-07-19 18:39:16	vvn	well in a small appartment there's no point in having a 2.4ghz band, the single 5ghz is just enough
2022-07-19 18:39:16	BrainDamage	but to operate on different spectrum, you need different radios
2022-07-19 18:39:18	grawity	so kind of like VLANs (although if you have like 500 SSIDs, at some point there are so many beacons that there's no time left for actual data)
2022-07-19 18:39:25	grawity	or at least that's what the article said
2022-07-19 18:39:43	BrainDamage	at least until we'll build a radio that covers the whole 2.4GHz spectrum
2022-07-19 18:39:59	grawity	80 MHz "channels" are basically that, no?
2022-07-19 18:40:01	BrainDamage	once we do, then you can use as many channels and as many ssid as you want
2022-07-19 18:40:07	BrainDamage	provided you fit the computational capacity, etc
2022-07-19 18:40:21	BrainDamage	no because the channeling is done in hw
2022-07-19 18:40:33	BrainDamage	you want channelization done in sw for that
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2022-07-19 18:41:11	⚡ 	vvn disables 2.4Ghz band and enables a main and guest wi-fi networks
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2022-07-19 18:41:39	grawity	but anyway -- if you merely have two SSIDs (or two VLANs) going to the same router, just different subnets, then the router will happily forward traffic between subnets, as is its job ... so the "guest wifi" feature explicitly sets up restrictions to prevent that, whether it's via L3 or L2 filtering
2022-07-19 18:42:18	vvn	got it 
2022-07-19 18:42:30	BrainDamage	side note: every wifi card since uhhh, 2 decades maybe, has at least 2 radios
2022-07-19 18:42:36	vvn	I hate when products use subjective feature names like this
2022-07-19 18:42:42	BrainDamage	one that can operate as client, another as AP
2022-07-19 18:42:51	BrainDamage	or ad-hoc
2022-07-19 18:43:29	BrainDamage	so you can connect to an AP and host your own network simultaneously on the same or a different channel
2022-07-19 18:43:46	vvn	BrainDamage: that's a good practice to disable 2.4 for a small appartment correct? There's no point in keeping both
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2022-07-19 18:44:08	grawity	1.5 decades I think, iirc that's when the "wi-fi direct" started showing up
2022-07-19 18:44:21	jonathon	What's the correct/proper name for the NVIDIA-MODULE meta-provide-thing in https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/21e3f0a393c997615187955f8e8bac0481356785/trunk/PKGBUILD#L80 ?
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2022-07-19 18:44:58	BrainDamage	vvn: if the interference is low, you can keep both, if 2.4 band is polluted, then it may make sense to turn it off so that devices prefer the 5
2022-07-19 18:45:01	grawity	not sure if we have a "proper" term for that, but usually it'd be something like a "virtual package" or "virtual provides"
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2022-07-19 18:45:41	jonathon	ah, "virtual" something sounds good. i got stuck on "meta package" but that's definitely something else.
2022-07-19 18:45:55	vvn	BrainDamage: I do not own a microwave oven, so no interference on 2.4Ghz at the moment :P
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2022-07-19 18:47:03	grawity	any nearby neighbors using 2.4GHz? cheapo wireless mice? bluetooth?
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2022-07-19 18:47:17	grawity	well I guess it's more that wifi interferes with cheapo 2.4GHz mice than the other way around
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2022-07-19 18:48:09	vvn	grawity: leaving in a building, so I guess there's plenty of these yes
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2022-07-19 18:58:10	teraflops	lsix
2022-07-19 18:58:12	teraflops	oops
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2022-07-19 18:58:35	grawity	lseven
2022-07-19 18:59:53	nabakolu	BrainDamage: dont many mobile devices only have one radio in their wifi card?
2022-07-19 19:01:34	vvn	I'm not sure my Intel AX200 module can do access point
2022-07-19 19:02:19	teraflops	I remember doing what BrainDamage said many years ago w/ 11 b wireless nics
2022-07-19 19:02:25	BrainDamage	nabakolu: no, they support multiple to do miracast, wifi direct, etc
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2022-07-19 19:03:40	nabakolu	BrainDamage: but wouldnt having two radios make it possible to be connected to a LAN and offer a hotspot as well, which is a feature many mobile devices lack?
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2022-07-19 19:04:11	BrainDamage	they lack due to software restriction, not hardware
2022-07-19 19:04:30	BrainDamage	the chips in many phones are pretty similar
2022-07-19 19:04:45	BrainDamage	and even for different chips, the subsections are often reused
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2022-07-20 18:47:58	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-07-20 18:47:58	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1429 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1428 normals)
2022-07-20 13:49:53	MacGyver	Vorpal: Why *specifically* do you want this?
2022-07-20 13:50:21	MacGyver	Vorpal: What I usually end up doing is looking at upstream's shipped config and the patches in the build system.
2022-07-20 13:50:39	MacGyver	Vorpal: But that may not be sufficient depending on your needs.
2022-07-20 13:52:03	nicholaus04	Howdy arch folks!
2022-07-20 13:52:29	Deadly_Alive	they're disappointing
2022-07-20 13:52:59	Deadly_Alive	after yesterdays talk of increasing the Arch rank on distrowatch, it has gone down a spot
2022-07-20 13:54:36	Scimmia	good
2022-07-20 13:55:49	Deadly_Alive	Scimmia: no it ain't 
2022-07-20 13:55:53	Deadly_Alive	needs to move up
2022-07-20 13:56:31	nl6720	what good would moving up bring?
2022-07-20 13:56:36	jelle	Deadly_Alive: I have warned you about this before, please stop obsessing about it
2022-07-20 13:56:46	caffery156	looks like i need to start recruiting arch
2022-07-20 13:56:47	susi	why is there even listed DEs in dw for Arch, "Cinnamon, Enlightenment, GNOME, KDE, LXDE, MATE, Xfce"
2022-07-20 13:57:19	Deadly_Alive	jelle: don't get your knickers in a twist!
2022-07-20 13:57:29	jelle	Deadly_Alive: this is your final warning
2022-07-20 13:58:23	Deadly_Alive	why are you so serious?
2022-07-20 13:58:57	jelle	Deadly_Alive: this is a support channel
2022-07-20 13:59:14	Gagis	no seriously, the distrowatch topic is was concluded and didnt get anyone else interested, no need to try to force it
2022-07-20 13:59:42	Vorpal	[13:50] <MacGyver> Vorpal: Why *specifically* do you want this? <-- I was looking to set up a new computer and I want to know which config files I have changed so I don't forget to change things
2022-07-20 13:59:59	MacGyver	Ah, yeah, then you want to automate it.
2022-07-20 14:00:04	Vorpal	MacGyver: indeed
2022-07-20 14:00:19	Vorpal	I want to know which config files differ, and what the diff is
2022-07-20 14:00:22	MacGyver	Honestly I wouldn't even bother to script it -- I'd just install all the packages and diff both /etc trees.
2022-07-20 14:01:12	Vorpal	MacGyver: I was thinking about automating things using either aconfmgr or ansible to save future work managing multiple computers. But that means I first need to understand what the differences are
2022-07-20 14:01:15	MacGyver	Doing it in prep would entail unpacking all packages in temporary diretories.
2022-07-20 14:01:18	MacGyver	directories*
2022-07-20 14:01:25	MacGyver	But since you're gonna be installing one anyway...
2022-07-20 14:01:39	Vorpal	also the packages won't be quite the same, there are hardware differences
2022-07-20 14:02:17	nicholaus04	\l See ya later, alligator!
2022-07-20 14:02:50	nicholaus04	And that didn't even work. :/
2022-07-20 14:06:15	MacGyver	Hmyeah, okay, then it sounds like you do want to unpack each installed package somewhere under a temporary root and diff its etc tree.
2022-07-20 14:06:46	Gagis	the differences due to hardware might be small enough that its still a good solution
2022-07-20 14:14:19	Vorpal	MacGyver: I whipped up a proof of concept zsh script to do basically that (though one config file at a time).
2022-07-20 14:14:42	Vorpal	using bsdtar --to-stdout to extract a single config file from a package
2022-07-20 14:15:28	Vorpal	the hardest part is finding the locally cached package. Thankfully aconfmgr already had code for that I could borrow (and strip out AUR helper logic I don't need)
2022-07-20 14:15:58	jelle	Vorpal: or as I suggested `checkpkg` :)
2022-07-20 14:16:07	Vorpal	jelle: sorry, I missed that suggestion
2022-07-20 14:16:32	Vorpal	==> ERROR: This must be run in the directory of a built package.
2022-07-20 14:16:44	Vorpal	um, I'm not sure how to use checkpkg. Clearly I need to read the man page
2022-07-20 14:16:46	jelle	Vorpal: no
2022-07-20 14:16:57	jelle	Vorpal: I meant, look at find_cached_package in devtools :)
2022-07-20 14:17:06	Vorpal	oh
2022-07-20 14:18:36	Vorpal	why is find_cached_package duplicated in several of the scripts in devtools? have they not heard of "source" to load a shared script file
2022-07-20 14:19:04	jelle	Vorpal: it is loaded from one source
2022-07-20 14:19:12	Vorpal	oh, symlinks?
2022-07-20 14:19:31	jelle	no
2022-07-20 14:19:42	jelle	it uses m4 magic to import utils.sh
2022-07-20 14:19:45	Vorpal	oh
2022-07-20 14:19:54	Vorpal	seems like a silly thing to do
2022-07-20 14:20:06	susi	I've always done it the way McGee suggested; what's there more to this your method?
2022-07-20 14:20:38	Vorpal	speaking of silly/unusual things, I found today that /usr/share/libalpm/scripts/mkinitcpio-install uses compgen -G to expand a glob. I don't know why, because bash can do that without any extra steps
2022-07-20 14:21:13	jelle	bit weird to assume it's silly :P
2022-07-20 14:21:14	Vorpal	and compgen is normally used for completion stuff I believe
2022-07-20 14:23:28	alloy	heyas :)
2022-07-20 14:23:52	alloy	I've got Luks encryption on my disk, boot partition included, and want to change the passphrase prompt, any ideas?
2022-07-20 14:24:17	alloy	it just needs to say "Unlock: " or something, not list the UUID of the drive etc :)
2022-07-20 14:24:59	nl6720	which prompt?
2022-07-20 14:36:54	alloy	"Enter passphrase for hd0,gpt2 (biglonghexnumber) : "
2022-07-20 14:37:12	jelle	you encrypt /boot right?
2022-07-20 14:37:19	alloy	yep
2022-07-20 14:37:24	nl6720	looks like this one https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/grub.git/tree/grub-core/disk/cryptodisk.c#n1104
2022-07-20 14:37:25	alloy	the prompt is in EFI
2022-07-20 14:37:25	phrik	Title: cryptodisk.c\disk\grub-core - grub.git - GNU GRUB (at git.savannah.gnu.org)
2022-07-20 14:37:40	nl6720	that's grub's prompt
2022-07-20 14:37:46	jelle	yup, looks like it
2022-07-20 14:38:07	alloy	it does!
2022-07-20 14:38:14	nl6720	the only option would be to patch and rebuild grub
2022-07-20 14:38:40	alloy	crumbs :) not worth doing that for mainly cosmetic reasons then.
2022-07-20 14:38:51	alloy	thanks!
2022-07-20 14:39:24	alloy	lol I asked in #linux but that chan is such a bin fire of a flame war these days, no one replied
2022-07-20 14:39:29	alloy	glad I chose Arch Linux ;)
2022-07-20 14:39:50	nl6720	!ar
2022-07-20 14:39:51	phrik	Arch Rocks™
2022-07-20 14:40:01	alloy	lol they're still arguing over init vs systemd, I mean c'mon
2022-07-20 14:40:06	alloy	!ar
2022-07-20 14:40:07	phrik	Arch Rocks™
2022-07-20 14:40:09	alloy	nice
2022-07-20 14:43:08	Gagis	aw, its always a disappointment when something turns out to be hard coded
2022-07-20 14:55:04	alloy	I've just been deep diving into x.org and *all* it's defaults are hard coded!
2022-07-20 14:55:07	post-factum	telegram-desktop: error while loading shared libraries: libabsl_strings.so.2111.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2022-07-20 14:55:09	post-factum	huh
2022-07-20 14:55:28	jelle	alloy: good thing there is wayland
2022-07-20 14:55:57	alloy	jelle, oh stop it.  #arch will end up like #linux is at the moment if you start with that ;)
2022-07-20 14:56:25	CarloWood	HI, I have obs running, minimized:
2022-07-20 14:56:29	CarloWood	carlo    2465007  6.3  1.0 2220380 338540 pts/6  SLl  14:48   0:28 obs
2022-07-20 14:56:47	CarloWood	But there is no icon anywhere to unminimize it again :/
2022-07-20 14:57:00	alloy	hehe that old chestnut :)
2022-07-20 14:57:14	CarloWood	And if I start it again it complain it is already running and I shouldn't start another instance of obs.
2022-07-20 14:57:27	CarloWood	Does anyone have idea how I can unminimize it again?
2022-07-20 14:57:39	alloy	how did you minimise it?
2022-07-20 14:57:42	nl6720	use the vim exit method: pull the power plug/battery :P
2022-07-20 14:58:18	alloy	jelle, depends if he's using X or wayland ;)
2022-07-20 14:58:40	alloy	CarloWood, what desktop you running?
2022-07-20 14:58:53	CarloWood	plasma
2022-07-20 14:59:44	CarloWood	I have more and more that application aren't updating their graphics anymore :(. The only thing that helps then is to close them and restart them. 
2022-07-20 15:00:00	Manouchehri	real stupid question, why is sudo still prompting for my password after I have this set?
2022-07-20 15:00:03	Manouchehri	%wheel ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
2022-07-20 15:00:14	CarloWood	Also obs had started flicking and not updating.. that's why I tried minimizing :/
2022-07-20 15:01:04	nl6720	Manouchehri: is your user in the wheel group?
2022-07-20 15:01:47	alloy	CarloWood, does "echo $WAYLAND_DISPLAY" tell you anything?
2022-07-20 15:02:34	alloy	from a terminal shell*
2022-07-20 15:03:10	CarloWood	alloy: that's empty. I'm using X11
2022-07-20 15:03:16	alloy	cool
2022-07-20 15:03:20	pajeet	good morning neckbeards who cant program fizzbuzz in C
2022-07-20 15:03:35	alloy	try: xwininfo -tree -root
2022-07-20 15:03:45	Manouchehri	nl6720: network cvdnetwork video storage lp kvm audio wheel dave
2022-07-20 15:04:01	CarloWood	bash: xwininfo: command not found
2022-07-20 15:04:07	CarloWood	but... I already killed obs
2022-07-20 15:05:08	nl6720	Manouchehri: did you relogin after adding the user to the group? (only relevant if it was in this session)
2022-07-20 15:05:24	alloy	CarloWood, oh that solved your problem for now i guess?
2022-07-20 15:05:33	alloy	sounds like your machine was maxed out?
2022-07-20 15:05:52	alloy	CarloWood, yeah you'd need to install that command probably
2022-07-20 15:06:21	Manouchehri	nl6720: yeah I did, I'll try rebooting 
2022-07-20 15:06:27	CarloWood	My machine can't be maxed out.
2022-07-20 15:06:47	alloy	sudo pacman -S xorg-xwininfo
2022-07-20 15:07:19	pajeet	yay -S hentaiathome-cli
2022-07-20 15:07:21	pajeet	thank me later
2022-07-20 15:07:34	alloy	lol
2022-07-20 15:07:50	Manouchehri	nl6720: yeah did a full reboot
2022-07-20 15:08:06	nl6720	still the same?
2022-07-20 15:08:13	Manouchehri	same issue
2022-07-20 15:08:28	nl6720	sorry, no idea then
2022-07-20 15:08:31	nl6720	!shrug
2022-07-20 15:08:32	phrik	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-07-20 15:09:11	alloy	Manouchehri, check there are no more entries for wheel after that one
2022-07-20 15:09:18	alloy	especially in sudoers.d
2022-07-20 15:10:32	Manouchehri	alloy: you're smart.
2022-07-20 15:10:36	nl6720	`sudo -l` may show something useful
2022-07-20 15:11:26	Manouchehri	alloy: I had /etc/sudoers.d/10-installer override the wheel
2022-07-20 15:11:34	Manouchehri	sudo rm /etc/sudoers.d/10-installer # fixed!
2022-07-20 15:11:37	Manouchehri	thank you!
2022-07-20 15:11:39	alloy	yeah that's an old trap :)
2022-07-20 15:13:52	pajeet	echo "test" > /ets/sudoers
2022-07-20 15:13:54	pajeet	fixes
2022-07-20 15:14:15	alloy	don't do that :S
2022-07-20 15:14:45	Gagis	thats a bit excessively mean
2022-07-20 15:15:21	Manouchehri	well he didn't give the command to run it as root at least
2022-07-20 15:15:34	alloy	true
2022-07-20 15:16:06	alloy	lol
2022-07-20 15:16:44	alloy	Gagis, as opposed to appropriately mean? :D
2022-07-20 15:16:55	Gagis	as opposed to slightly naughty
2022-07-20 15:17:01	alloy	indeed
2022-07-20 15:17:55	alloy	yeah that command would create all kinds of hell... 
2022-07-20 15:18:08	alloy	as a thought experiment, any ideas how to fix a deleted sudoers?
2022-07-20 15:18:25	Manouchehri	alloy: boot into single user mode
2022-07-20 15:18:29	jelle	alloy: su
2022-07-20 15:18:33	Manouchehri	oh
2022-07-20 15:18:34	Manouchehri	or that
2022-07-20 15:18:42	Manouchehri	I overthought it lol
2022-07-20 15:18:49	jelle	and just reinstall sudo package or extract the file
2022-07-20 15:18:50	nl6720	login as root and extract the file from the package or reinstall the package
2022-07-20 15:20:23	jaeckel	dvzrv: I'm not sure if someone already notified you, but somehow the packages you signed can't be validated anymore
2022-07-20 15:20:41	jelle	jaeckel: is your keyring up to date?
2022-07-20 15:20:52	jaeckel	yay imported the new key
2022-07-20 15:21:27	jelle	!next
2022-07-20 15:21:27	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-07-20 15:21:54	alloy	!next2
2022-07-20 15:21:54	phrik	You've been given enough information to work with. Figure it out for yourself. NEXT!
2022-07-20 15:22:02	alloy	ooof
2022-07-20 15:23:07	jaeckel	OK, so it was basically lying when it asked me whether I want to import the new key
2022-07-20 15:23:51	predicament	hm
2022-07-20 15:24:13	predicament	oh, there we go.
2022-07-20 15:24:42	nl6720	importing the new key didn't work for me too when I updated an nspawn container earlier today
2022-07-20 15:24:55	alloy	huh quite interesting searching github for "phrik"
2022-07-20 15:24:56	nl6720	I had to use https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Upgrade_system_regularly
2022-07-20 15:24:57	phrik	Title: pacman/Package signing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-20 15:25:07	predicament	oov
2022-07-20 15:25:28	predicament	thats annoying
2022-07-20 15:26:02	alloy	https://github.com/aburayhana/macaroni.netlify.app/blob/eb2d8e3a47545eaf1a4587e0ed6a282840435fdc/content/post/405-easiest-way-to-make-award-winning-nam-phrik-kra-pi.md
2022-07-20 15:26:14	alloy	phrik is a thai word lol
2022-07-20 15:26:15	phrik	Undoubtfully true.
2022-07-20 15:26:36	predicament	<3 the external
2022-07-20 15:26:46	mpan	:)
2022-07-20 15:27:55	alloy	wow that's some nice "artificial-AI" :)
2022-07-20 15:30:16	jaeckel	nl6720: yeah, I would've done that as well instead of coming here, if yay wouldn't have lied to me :)
2022-07-20 15:30:36	jelle	good that we don't support yay ;-)
2022-07-20 15:31:03	alloy	!yay
2022-07-20 15:31:03	phrik	http://i.imgur.com/2gywlte.gif
2022-07-20 15:31:30	alloy	oh dear
2022-07-20 15:32:07	alloy	so I've got a super edge case problem, not asking for a solution, I'm not sure there is one...
2022-07-20 15:32:38	alloy	but I'm running arch on an HP Dragonfly, as it's a "convertible" laptop it has an accelerometer for stuff
2022-07-20 15:33:14	alloy	if I put it into "suspend" like "sudo systemctl suspend" or any other method, it suspends...
2022-07-20 15:33:24	alloy	BUT if I move it around it wakes up!
2022-07-20 15:33:44	alloy	not really asking for help on this one, it's just a super random edge case I've never seen
2022-07-20 15:34:23	alloy	*specifically if I move it in the direction of "opening the lid" too - if I rotate it sideways it stays asleep lol
2022-07-20 15:35:40	alloy	me thinks it's a kernel problem, something hasn't caught up with accelorometers perhaps
2022-07-20 15:36:10	alloy	thing is, I can't READ the silly thing when it's in SUSPEND lol so VERY hard to pin point.
2022-07-20 15:36:17	jelle	alloy: does the journal say anything about waking up?
2022-07-20 15:36:41	alloy	jelle, let me put some proper effort into answering that... be back in a bit :)
2022-07-20 15:39:37	dvzrv	jaeckel: we basically have an ungoing issue with new keys and using them to package...
2022-07-20 15:41:10	jaeckel	dvzrv: yeah, I'm aware of this, but that's not the "real" problem :)
2022-07-20 15:41:18	nl6720	still waiting for someone to package archlinux-keyring with a newly added key XD
2022-07-20 15:41:20	alloy	jelle, actually I do get this (follows) everytime I move it that way
2022-07-20 15:41:21	alloy	Jul 20 23:40:51 quorra root[14625]: ACPI group/action undefined: A6FEA33E-DABF- / 000000d0
2022-07-20 15:41:50	alloy	but moving it sideways doesn't do that
2022-07-20 15:41:51	jaeckel	jelle: FYI after checking with nl6720 in private, they had the same issue with pacman, not yay
2022-07-20 15:42:09	jelle	jaeckel: yay is a wrapper around pacman yes
2022-07-20 15:49:35	alloy	jelle, I get that everytime I *move* the screen "open"
2022-07-20 15:49:46	alloy	separate from the "LID switch" if I close it fully
2022-07-20 15:50:13	alloy	quorra is my laptop (love that movie :) )
2022-07-20 15:50:27	jelle	alloy: sorry no idea about this ACPI group/action
2022-07-20 15:51:31	alloy	yeah no worries jelle like I said it's probably an issue with no current solution :)
2022-07-20 15:51:46	alloy	definitely one for the future though
2022-07-20 15:58:19	Manouchehri	not sure why I didn't ask this here before, but any advice on trying to install qemu-system-aarch64 on aarch64?
2022-07-20 15:58:29	Manouchehri	warning: cannot resolve "edk2-armvirt", a dependency of "qemu-system-aarch64"
2022-07-20 16:00:52	Manouchehri	ah I just did assume installed
2022-07-20 16:01:42	Scimmia	Manouchehri: on aarch64? 1) why would you need an aarch64 emulator on aarch64? 2) Arch Linux doesn't run on aarch64
2022-07-20 16:02:13	Manouchehri	oh, my bad, forgot about #2.
2022-07-20 16:04:37	alloy	also aarch64 is a horrible abbreviation ;)
2022-07-20 16:05:19	alloy	isn't it really ARM64, like why don't they call it that?
2022-07-20 16:05:51	jelle	no
2022-07-20 16:07:33	jelle	aarch64 is how it's officially called
2022-07-20 16:11:18	AiO	<3
2022-07-20 16:12:37	susi	wikipedia says; "AArch64 or ARM64 [is]"
2022-07-20 16:13:01	susi	but I must say, aarch64 is the the one I've most encountered
2022-07-20 16:20:12	alloy	oh me too - just trying to say it out loud without sounding like you've just been hit over the head ;)
2022-07-20 16:20:23	alloy	*try to
2022-07-20 16:21:03	alloy	some things make people want to learn STEM, some things make people hate it...
2022-07-20 16:21:09	meskarune	The-Compiler: I am having an issue with qute browser. I turned on dark mode and when I switch tabs it flashes white. This is a video of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fFj5XZoLV8
2022-07-20 16:21:28	meskarune	You can blame jelle for telling me to ask you ;D
2022-07-20 16:21:42	alloy	!blame
2022-07-20 16:21:42	phrik	Allan.
2022-07-20 16:22:15	alloy	!blame
2022-07-20 16:22:15	phrik	Allan.
2022-07-20 16:23:28	nl6720	!blame31
2022-07-20 16:23:29	phrik	jelle
2022-07-20 16:25:28	The-Compiler	meskarune: it's the underlying Chromium as far as I remember. You can set colors.webpage.bg, but that will then also apply to websites which have no background color set
2022-07-20 16:27:48	susi	what's the problem?
2022-07-20 16:29:46	susi	ah, sorry
2022-07-20 16:31:26	meskarune	The-Compiler:yeah I already have the webpage bg set to #000 but flashing still happens :(
2022-07-20 16:31:32	susi	I'm using DR on FF & Chrome, and in both it does the same - it flashes white
2022-07-20 16:32:08	susi	that setting some default bg to black is quite a nice suggestiot
2022-07-20 16:32:57	meskarune	I use firefox with darkreader and don't have flashing
2022-07-20 16:33:12	susi	then you most likely have Dynamic theme generation mode
2022-07-20 16:33:20	meskarune	I have the new tab color as blank black and my default UI is all dark grey
2022-07-20 16:33:24	susi	my hw is too low-end for that, so I use Filter theme generation mode
2022-07-20 16:34:42	susi	btw, Filter broke in ff v102 (and further), hopefully it gets updated @AMO soon to the working version
2022-07-20 16:34:59	susi	because of this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1423746
2022-07-20 16:35:04	phrik	Title: 1423746 - CSS 'filter' on the root element (documentElement) should not establish a containing block for absolute/fixed positioned descendants (at bugzilla.mozilla.org)
2022-07-20 16:35:42	susi	meskarune: do you indeed have "Dynamic" as theme gen mode?
2022-07-20 16:36:02	susi	it added a few seconds to my page loading time, so I had to switch to "Filter"
2022-07-20 16:39:11	meskarune	susi: yeah, in firefox my darkreader is dynamic mode\
2022-07-20 16:39:28	meskarune	everything is default since I never changed settings after installing it
2022-07-20 16:39:52	meskarune	but my issue isn't firefox its qute browser flashing white on tab changes
2022-07-20 16:39:57	meskarune	it makes it unusable for me
2022-07-20 16:43:30	meskarune	https://9to5google.com/2019/01/18/google-chrome-fix-white-flash/
2022-07-20 16:43:32	phrik	Title: Google Chrome is fixing the 'white flash' between webpages - 9to5Google (at 9to5google.com)
2022-07-20 16:43:46	meskarune	hopefully its fixed soon
2022-07-20 16:43:56	meskarune	I will be stuck on firefox forever lol
2022-07-20 16:51:16	jmcantrell	meskarune: have you tried #qutebrowser? they've been helpful when I've had issues.
2022-07-20 16:57:19	jmcantrell	but if it's the same issue i was seeing, the only fix is to use a user stylesheet and change the default background color, but that's kind of drastic, IMO. maybe there's a better option now.
2022-07-20 17:12:37	susi	meskarune: Dynamic mode added some 1-3 sec extra per page-load for me
2022-07-20 17:13:03	susi	then I noticed Filter is just as good (almost), but without any extra lag
2022-07-20 17:13:33	meskarune	idk I don't notice any lag on my laptop
2022-07-20 17:14:08	susi	better hardware than mine :)
2022-07-20 18:46:20	corecode	aloha
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2022-07-20 18:47:59	corecode	it seems that kicad wasn't compiled right with 3.2 wxwidgets
2022-07-20 18:48:38	corecode	the repo commit says "wxWidgets 3.2 rebuild", but the package references 3.0 libraries
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2022-07-20 18:50:32	gehidore	did you do a proper Syu upgrade?
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2022-07-20 18:51:30	corecode	yes
2022-07-20 18:51:44	corecode	the 6.0.6-2 package still references 3.0 wxwidgets libraries
2022-07-20 18:51:46	Namarrgon	"lddtree /usr/bin/kicad"
2022-07-20 18:51:50	corecode	seems it was built incorrectly
2022-07-20 18:52:09	gehidore	cause the package references 'wxwidgets-gtk3'
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2022-07-20 18:53:10	gehidore	which also seems wrong fwiw
2022-07-20 18:53:50	gehidore	actually no it's not wrong
2022-07-20 18:53:53	gehidore	that's 3.2 version
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2022-07-20 18:56:20	corecode	ok, filed a bug https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/75382
2022-07-20 18:56:22	phrik	Title: FS#75382 : [kicad] 6.0.6-2 linked against wxwidgets 3.0, not 3.2 (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-07-20 18:56:43	gehidore	-_-
2022-07-20 18:56:45	gehidore	why
2022-07-20 18:57:09	gehidore	extra/wxwidgets-gtk3 3.2.0-4
2022-07-20 18:57:41	gehidore	it is 3.2
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2022-07-20 18:58:31	corecode	well but the package links to 3.0
2022-07-20 18:58:34	corecode	i don't know why
2022-07-20 18:58:42	gehidore	x.x
2022-07-20 18:58:45	gehidore	!bail
2022-07-20 18:58:46	phrik	Looks like gehidore is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-07-20 18:59:23	corecode	maybe it was built before the build machine updated to 3.2
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2022-07-20 19:34:49	lolok	to anyone who invested in my amdgpu problem, did finally figure it out, one of the ram chips was faulty, so it was the hardware all along, cheers and happy head shots
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2022-07-20 19:35:48	gehidore	that's painful one to find
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2022-07-20 19:37:34	lolok	yea 2 weeks of torture but its all sorted out now
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2022-07-20 19:54:46	rxfh	i had one with random crashes, also crc errors, bizzare behavior across the board. started with game sporadically crashing
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2022-07-20 19:55:28	rxfh	tons of troubleshooting. didnt notice crc errors early on. ended up replacing gpu.. then eventually mobo and ram
2022-07-20 19:56:08	rxfh	still got errors. ran Mersenne testing program (mlucas). computer couldnt do math after a while of load
2022-07-20 19:56:16	rxfh	.. faulty cpu. gahhhh
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2022-07-20 20:33:23	Nnavd	dvzrv, updating arch-keyring fixed the issue, and my core dump settings have caused the core dump to disappear due to me intentionally core dumping other things
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2022-07-21 14:11:37	tirnanog	ok, yeah. for that method to be strictly correct, it would have to be find -newermt '2022-04-03T23:59:59.999999999' ! -newermt '2022-04-04T23:59:59.999999999' instead.
2022-07-21 14:40:57	castleard	hey everyone, I'm running arch on a lenovo thinkpad (t14s) and recently got a docking station. however, the monitor I connected to the docking station doesn't show up with xrandr... any suggestions what I'm doing wrong (first time I use a docking station, so please assume I'm stupid)
2022-07-21 14:41:46	phonemic	does cifs-utils still have an issue on kernel 5.18?
2022-07-21 14:41:56	phonemic	someone here provided a link but i've lost it
2022-07-21 14:42:45	Namarrgon	castleard: uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2022-07-21 14:43:07	Namarrgon	phonemic: check the bugtracker
2022-07-21 14:43:13	castleard	Namarrgon: 5.18.12-arch1-1
2022-07-21 14:43:13	castleard	linux 5.18.12.arch1-1
2022-07-21 14:43:26	Namarrgon	it's a usb dock, i guess?
2022-07-21 14:44:01	Namarrgon	does lenovo still have the proprietary dock connector?
2022-07-21 14:44:42	castleard	Namarrgon: I connect it with usb-c, it's called like this: "ThinkPad Hybrid USB-C Dock with USB-A"
2022-07-21 14:45:21	castleard	Namarrgon: it (and the laptop) are bought directly from lenovo, so I assumed it would work out of the box
2022-07-21 14:45:33	castleard	Namarrgon: I already installed "dockd" hoping it would magically solve the issue, but it didn't
2022-07-21 14:46:09	parcimonic[m]	castleard: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DisplayLink
2022-07-21 14:46:10	phrik	Title: DisplayLink - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-21 14:46:23	castleard	Namarrgon: I do see that wen I plug it in, the dock shows up as an audio device in pavucontrol
2022-07-21 14:46:42	phonemic	Namarrgon: found it https://lore.kernel.org/all/87edz63t11.fsf@cjr.nz/T/
2022-07-21 14:46:43	phrik	Title: kernel-5.18.8 breaks cifs mounts (at lore.kernel.org)
2022-07-21 14:46:55	phonemic	it's not an arch issue. it's in the kernel itself.
2022-07-21 14:47:14	Namarrgon	does the t14s support alt-mode on all usb-c ports?
2022-07-21 14:47:55	Namarrgon	phonemic: if it wasn't fixed upstream then arch probably still carries the issue as well
2022-07-21 14:47:57	Gagis	oh yeah, I've seen that kernel issue too. also similar issues where the displays arent powered back on if the laptop is disconnected and later connected back to the hub
2022-07-21 14:48:04	Gagis	tho weirdly with an older hub it works
2022-07-21 14:48:07	castleard	Namarrgon: I don't know, I connected it with the port that I use for power supply, I assumed this would be the right one (it's the only usb-c port I have)
2022-07-21 14:48:46	castleard	parcimonic[m]: thanks a lot, that makes sense. I'll try and install displaylink and see if it changes anything.
2022-07-21 14:49:25	parcimonic[m]	You'll need displaylink and evdi packages from aur. I have a dell dock with displaylink chip, it sucks.
2022-07-21 14:50:04	PowaBanga	hi everybody
2022-07-21 14:50:34	PowaBanga	does anybody know a good tool to manager all my ssh keys ?
2022-07-21 14:50:42	castleard	parcimonic[m]: ok thanks a lot, I'll reboot now to see if it magically helped. if I don't show up again, it did. thanks already!
2022-07-21 14:50:52	kode54	1password, which is proprietary, has an integrated SSH key storage
2022-07-21 14:51:05	kode54	and also integrated ssh agent
2022-07-21 14:51:26	kode54	also costs a yearly subscription
2022-07-21 14:51:42	jenkins	gnu pass?
2022-07-21 14:51:49	kode54	does that support storing ssh keys?
2022-07-21 14:53:02	kode54	1password also has per-request authorization of key usage
2022-07-21 14:53:16	kode54	which makes it slightly better than ssh-agent just giving out your keys to everyone
2022-07-21 14:57:01	dav1d	PowaBanga, keepassxc
2022-07-21 14:57:32	dav1d	When unlocked my keys are added to the ssh-agent
2022-07-21 14:59:42	kode54	that doesn't ask per application whether you want to authorize your keys
2022-07-21 15:00:01	kode54	but yeah, that's almost better
2022-07-21 15:02:10	dav1d	yeah, that would be better. I dont think that's possible though
2022-07-21 15:02:15	dav1d	(with keepassxc)
2022-07-21 15:02:47	kode54	it would be possible if they implemented it like 1password does
2022-07-21 15:03:11	kode54	(requiring configuring a replacement ssh-agent socket in ~/.ssh/config and listening with their own agent)
2022-07-21 15:05:22	lolok	only a few more steps and you can use teamviewer instead
2022-07-21 15:05:54	dav1d	Actually it might be possible then, I think it has 2 modes, one to join an existing agent and contribute keys and one to start a ssh-agent
2022-07-21 15:06:00	dav1d	tbh I never tried
2022-07-21 15:34:49	davor_	I usually use plasma, but recently I also installed LXDE for it to run when I access the computer via VNC. since then, I have been unable to mount USB devices from plasma, with a message saying "not authorized". how do I fix this?
2022-07-21 15:34:55	davor_	mounting with sudo works fine
2022-07-21 15:39:32	Edu4rdSHL	Check the journal
2022-07-21 15:47:56	Dan39	davor_: did this happen after running LXDE in VNC server, or also before (after installing LXDE, but before starting vnc server)?
2022-07-21 15:48:33	lolok	!ix
2022-07-21 15:48:33	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-07-21 15:48:56	Dan39	sounds like some dbus session issues. the mounting is probably done with udisks which happens over dbus and is a shit show to the point where some people say just don
2022-07-21 15:49:10	Dan39	't ever login to 2 DEs with the same user on a system
2022-07-21 15:49:34	Dan39	but in 2022 i'd hope that wouldn't be the case haha
2022-07-21 15:49:42	luc4	Hello! In the AUR pages, dependencies typically include some values between parentheses. Anyone who knows what those values are?
2022-07-21 15:50:57	artefact	like linux (linux, linux-zen, linux-lts) etc? the values are packages that provide the dependency
2022-07-21 15:51:12	artefact	so installing any fullfills the requirement
2022-07-21 16:01:01	cedb	intuitively yeah, sounds like the first linux is an alias and between the parens you have the actual packages
2022-07-21 16:01:48	luc4	artefact: si in this case https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/wxmaxima-git wxwidgets-common is needed or, as an alternative, wxwidgets-common-light?
2022-07-21 16:01:51	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - wxmaxima-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-07-21 16:02:05	artefact	luc4: yeah, exactly
2022-07-21 16:02:32	luc4	artefact: it is weird cause it seemed to fail with the second
2022-07-21 16:02:35	artefact	if you look at wxwidgets-common-light you'll see it has wxwidgets-common in its provides()
2022-07-21 16:02:38	luc4	I mean failed to build
2022-07-21 16:03:22	artefact	what's the error? something about fonts?
2022-07-21 16:03:25	thingfish	trying to pacman -Syu, but getting invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature) on rubberband-3.0.0-2.
2022-07-21 16:03:29	luc4	artefact: yes
2022-07-21 16:03:39	artefact	luc4: fetch the latest pkgbuild
2022-07-21 16:04:15	lolok	thingfish https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Upgrade_system_regularly
2022-07-21 16:04:17	phrik	Title: pacman/Package signing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-21 16:04:27	luc4	artefact: which means pamac update?
2022-07-21 16:04:34	artefact	no idea, sorry
2022-07-21 16:04:59	artefact	or try the non-git package, it builds fine here and has been updated for wxwidgets gtk3
2022-07-21 16:06:03	luc4	artefact: that is what I had installed, but I was stuck during latest update
2022-07-21 16:06:26	luc4	artefact: "One or more PGP signatures could not be verified!"
2022-07-21 16:06:42	luc4	artefact: I added the key reported in the aur page
2022-07-21 16:06:54	thingfish	lolok: thanks!
2022-07-21 16:06:59	lolok	np
2022-07-21 16:07:14	cedb	luc4: are you using an AUR helper?
2022-07-21 16:07:43	luc4	cedb: sorry, I am not very used to arch. I'm using pamac.
2022-07-21 16:11:41	cedb	luc4: right so there AUR packages are not really *packages* theyre recipes for building packages, an aur helper fetches the recipe, builds the package and then installs it, "pacman", the actual package manager deals only with *real* packages. When something goes bad with an AUR package you wanna at least know what aur helper tried to build it but ideally you would browse the PKGBUILD
2022-07-21 16:12:02	cedb	the PKGBUILD being the recipe for building a package
2022-07-21 16:13:38	luc4	cedb: this was clear, thanks. But what is this pgp signature that could not be verified? That is not very clear to me.
2022-07-21 16:14:33	luc4	cedb: there is a pgp signature inside the pkgbuild in validpgpkeys
2022-07-21 16:14:39	luc4	cedb: I added that
2022-07-21 16:15:10	luc4	cedb: then there is another one here: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/wxmaxima
2022-07-21 16:15:11	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - wxmaxima (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-07-21 16:15:19	luc4	cedb: I added that as well
2022-07-21 16:16:10	cedb	luc4: that could be a bunch of things if you look at the arch wiki it shows how to trouble shoot. Id guess you have a corrupted package that could throw that error
2022-07-21 16:16:46	luc4	cedb: ah... yes, maybe it happened to me in the past. I'll try to clean, thanks.
2022-07-21 16:17:36	cedb	luc4: id suggest paru for aur stuff but im sure someone else beat me to it :) 
2022-07-21 16:18:47	luc4	cedb: I have to say all this is not very user friendly :-(
2022-07-21 16:19:28	luc4	pamac clean -b did not seem to make a difference
2022-07-21 16:20:28	cedb	luc4: plz read the aw: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Troubleshooting
2022-07-21 16:20:29	phrik	Title: pacman/Package signing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-21 16:21:04	cedb	also if youre gonna use the cli just use pacman, pamac from what ive gathered is just there to provide a GUI
2022-07-21 16:21:55	luc4	cedb: I thought pacman was just for official packages
2022-07-21 16:22:26	Scimmia	how did you install pamac?
2022-07-21 16:23:38	luc4	Scimmia: how? Don't remember... it was a couple of years ago sorry
2022-07-21 16:24:10	cedb	luc4: pacman can manage all packages, its just not gonna /fetch/ and build aur ones, but once youve installed one its just a packge as far as your system is concerned
2022-07-21 16:24:48	luc4	cedb: I can see that, but the error is from pamac not able to build the new version
2022-07-21 16:25:04	luc4	cedb: is clearing pacman cache helping me here?
2022-07-21 16:25:57	Scimmia	!give luc4 manjaro
2022-07-21 16:25:58	phrik	luc4: manjaro does things differently from arch, so we can't really support it. ask in #manjaro on freenode.net, or in #manjaro or #linux on libera.chat
2022-07-21 16:26:03	cedb	it might but id try "Remove each offending package from the system cache rm /var/cache/pacman/pkg/pkgname" instead of nuking the entire cache...
2022-07-21 16:26:56	luc4	cedb: I do not see wxmaxima package in there
2022-07-21 16:27:08	lolok	how about read the pinned comment https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/wxmaxima#comment-860666 is there a reason youre using the git instead of the binary version anyway?
2022-07-21 16:27:09	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - wxmaxima (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-07-21 16:27:45	luc4	lolok: yes, the git version installs properly, the other one started to fail
2022-07-21 16:28:01	lolok	you did that import tho?
2022-07-21 16:28:05	artefact	built fine for me
2022-07-21 16:28:13	Scimmia	artefact: but you're on Arch, they're not
2022-07-21 16:28:26	artefact	right. it broke shortly after the wxwidgets transition
2022-07-21 16:28:33	luc4	the problem is not "building", it does not even start
2022-07-21 16:28:34	cedb	i try to see the good in people but Scimmia is probably right 
2022-07-21 16:28:53	Scimmia	more then probably: [Whois] luc4 is luc4!~manjaro-u@host-82-60-120-226.retail.telecomitalia.it (Luca Carlon)
2022-07-21 16:29:14	lolok	i litterally gave him the answer that the package maintainer says is the answer and he didnt say he at least tried it...
2022-07-21 16:29:37	luc4	lolok: the message of the key?
2022-07-21 16:29:50	artefact	won't build anyway if they [manjaro] still have the old wxwidgets stuff, i would think
2022-07-21 16:29:58	luc4	lolok: I already said I tried that
2022-07-21 16:30:06	luc4	artefact: it is not building anything
2022-07-21 16:30:16	lolok	yea pamac sucks
2022-07-21 16:30:17	luc4	it is verifying the source
2022-07-21 16:30:55	cedb	Scimmia: ouchi
2022-07-21 16:31:17	artefact	is there a --skippgpcheck passthrough? kind of bruteforce approach, but it'll work
2022-07-21 16:31:42	cedb	artefact: yes it s even recommended in the pinned comment, which is... eh?
2022-07-21 16:31:43	luc4	artefact: looked for it, but did not seem a good approach
2022-07-21 16:32:28	Gagis	is it failing due to some missing swpendency? seems plausible the package might not be compatible with manjaro
2022-07-21 16:32:38	luc4	cedb: this https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/wxmaxima#comment-860666 was already added hours ago
2022-07-21 16:32:43	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - wxmaxima (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-07-21 16:32:47	luc4	cedb: first thing I did
2022-07-21 16:32:59	⚡ 	cedb tries to build it for fun
2022-07-21 16:33:06	cedb	"oh nice it depends on sbcl !"
2022-07-21 16:33:16	artefact	or another common lisp
2022-07-21 16:33:39	luc4	it is not a build issue
2022-07-21 16:33:51	luc4	the git version built properly
2022-07-21 16:34:26	artefact	does pamac use its own keyring maybe?
2022-07-21 16:34:29	Gagis	what error does it give when launching from terminal?
2022-07-21 16:34:31	ikke	After updating / rebooting, my keyboard stopped working in X. In the xorg log, I see the keyboard being only tagged as a mouse by udev, in the previous xorg log, it was tagged both as a mouse and a keyboard. Relevant xorg log output: https://tpaste.us/x5Ll. udevadm info output: https://tpaste.us/yvld. Any clue how to get the keyboard to work again? 
2022-07-21 16:35:32	lolok	ikke search pacman logs for any packages that look like they might affect that which you updated recently and roll them back
2022-07-21 16:35:50	artefact	ikke: logs look ok, event5 is the keyboard
2022-07-21 16:37:08	luc4	Gagis: ERROR: One or more PGP signatures could not be verified!
2022-07-21 16:37:28	Gagis	when launching the application after install?
2022-07-21 16:37:37	Gagis	or did I misunderstand the problem
2022-07-21 16:37:41	luc4	Gagis: no, when installing it with pamac
2022-07-21 16:37:58	artefact	ikke: does the keyboard work in a fbcon? (ctrl-alt-f2)
2022-07-21 16:38:19	cedb	artefact: i mean i took sbcl, its weird to me that its not the default
2022-07-21 16:38:20	Gagis	well, we have no idea how manjaro handles keys. maybe better build with the nopgpcheck flag
2022-07-21 16:38:25	ikke	artefact: yes
2022-07-21 16:38:34	ikke	Otherwise I cannot login 
2022-07-21 16:38:47	luc4	also cleaned pamac cache with "sudo pamac clean --keep 0", it freed 14GB... 14GB of cache...
2022-07-21 16:39:16	ikke	lolok: libinput is the most likely contender 
2022-07-21 16:39:21	artefact	ikke: try using evdev? or downgrading libinput
2022-07-21 16:39:42	cedb	luc4: well ... try again then
2022-07-21 16:39:42	ikke	artefact: I'll try downgrading libinput first 
2022-07-21 16:39:51	Gagis	luc4, you might really need #manjaro foe this
2022-07-21 16:40:16	Scimmia	!give luc4 notarch
2022-07-21 16:40:17	phrik	luc4: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2022-07-21 16:41:49	luc4	cedb: failed the same way
2022-07-21 16:41:52	luc4	Scimmia: ok, thanks
2022-07-21 16:43:30	Soni	when upgrading from Radeon HD 6970 to Radeon RX 6500 XT, what drivers to install and what drivers to remove?
2022-07-21 16:44:29	Soni	is it the same drivers?
2022-07-21 16:44:49	artefact	!aw AMDGPU
2022-07-21 16:44:51	phrik	artefact: AMDGPU - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AMDGPU
2022-07-21 16:44:56	artefact	read this ^
2022-07-21 16:46:24	Soni	ah, so that's a yes
2022-07-21 16:46:45	Soni	(well, different kernel module, but same packages)
2022-07-21 16:46:58	ikke	artefact: lolok, downgrading libinput to 1.20.0 fixed it
2022-07-21 16:47:40	artefact	ikke: time to report the issue upstream (good luck)
2022-07-21 16:47:48	ikke	thx..
2022-07-21 16:48:26	lolok	ikke file a bug if you have the time please :)
2022-07-21 16:55:15	ikke	interestingly enough, if I know install libinput 1.21 again, it still works, possibly because something has already been properly setup
2022-07-21 16:55:46	artefact	what if you unplug/replug the device?
2022-07-21 16:56:00	artefact	(open a virtual kb before doing that!)
2022-07-21 16:56:17	sharperguy	I'm trying to write a PKGBUILD, and I noticed after unintalling the package, the log files that the application left in /var/log are still around? Should the package be setup somehow to delete them after uninstall?
2022-07-21 17:02:54	ikke	lolok: artefact no, even after reboot it works again with v1.21 (and I rebooted and checked again before downgrading and it didn't work, puzzled)
2022-07-21 17:02:57	tomty89	sharperguy: nope it shouldn't
2022-07-21 17:03:22	karrq	Hello! I'm trying to setup a point-to-point connection via ethernet between a busybox machine that will be a dhcp client and my machine which is arch, how should I go about doing that?  I tried creating a connection with NetworkManager and using an instance of dnsmasq for that specific interface but it doesn't seem to work :(
2022-07-21 17:04:13	karrq	I asked earlier today, got some help (NM + dnsmasq) but couldn't test until a bit ago
2022-07-21 17:04:14	BrainDamage	do you need to serve internet too through a router, or just give the client machine an ip?
2022-07-21 17:04:20	karrq	just an ip
2022-07-21 17:04:54	artefact	karrq: did you read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Internet_sharing ?
2022-07-21 17:04:55	phrik	Title: Internet sharing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-21 17:05:43	BrainDamage	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-networkd#[DHCPServer]
2022-07-21 17:05:45	phrik	Title: systemd-networkd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-21 17:05:59	wereii	Anyone tried setting up l2tp/ipsec client connection on arch from NetworkManager against mikrotik as the vpn server?
2022-07-21 17:06:11	karrq	artefact: no, i'll give it a read, but I don't think it will work, as I wouldn't nomrally have a DHCP server on it
2022-07-21 17:06:25	BrainDamage	you can ignore the dns parts as well as masquerading
2022-07-21 17:06:35	BrainDamage	since you just want to hand out dhcp
2022-07-21 17:06:56	BrainDamage	it should be a 4-5 line of config
2022-07-21 17:07:33	wereii	 I think I have exhausted my options, tried forcing Phase algorithms (as reported by ike-scan) also tried enabling multitude of other hash/enc algos on the mikrotik server, udp encapsul. toggling, checking my PSK but with strongswan it always timeouts after sending two packets to 4500/udp 
2022-07-21 17:07:39	karrq	so I need to set the interface as unmanaged for NetworkManager?
2022-07-21 17:07:50	BrainDamage	yes
2022-07-21 17:08:19	MacGyver	Aaaah, the joys of ipsec.
2022-07-21 17:09:49	karrq	by default, will networkd try to manage all interfaces?
2022-07-21 17:10:47	artefact	don't think so
2022-07-21 17:11:01	BrainDamage	no
2022-07-21 17:11:11	BrainDamage	networkd only tries to manage explicitly matched interfaces
2022-07-21 17:11:15	wereii	The weirdest thing about the l2tp/ipsec that it works like a charm on windows and one synology machine, but not on Arch nor old Centos 
2022-07-21 17:13:22	karrq	!paste
2022-07-21 17:13:22	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-07-21 17:17:41	karrq	BrainDamange: this is my configuration file http://ix.io/452V (name of the file is interface.network) but there are no ips on either the client nor the server machine. Here's some info of the client & server https://bpa.st/TLSQ 
2022-07-21 17:17:42	phrik	Title: View paste TLSQ (at bpa.st)
2022-07-21 17:18:07	lolok	ikke it could be a problem with packaging but maybe corruption on your filesystem?
2022-07-21 17:19:10	karrq	sorry, this paste for the info https://bpa.st/U6FA
2022-07-21 17:19:11	phrik	Title: View paste U6FA (at bpa.st)
2022-07-21 17:21:32	BrainDamage	karrq: did you restart systemd-networkd?
2022-07-21 17:22:52	BrainDamage	also, networkctl might have extra infos
2022-07-21 17:24:21	karrq	it wasn't started before I made the config file
2022-07-21 17:24:38	karrq	weird, networkctl says it's unmanaged
2022-07-21 17:25:39	karrq	oh it says "unknown key 'name'" under match
2022-07-21 17:27:46	BrainDamage	it's Name, not name
2022-07-21 17:28:33	karrq	ok that works. server machine got ip, not the client machine, for now
2022-07-21 17:29:25	BrainDamage	try manually starting a dhcp client in the machine
2022-07-21 17:29:30	BrainDamage	busybox should have one
2022-07-21 17:34:01	wereii	nvm, for the next l2tp/ipsec guy, absolutely totaly check your ipsec PSK :.)
2022-07-21 17:34:28	_WEZ_	I like nvm, great node.js manager
2022-07-21 17:54:45	karrq	BrainDamage: ok hang on... but it should have already started 
2022-07-21 18:26:07	CarloWood	How can I roll back to a previous version of the nvidia driver? Because the current one has issues.
2022-07-21 18:26:27	mefistofeles	!give CarloWood aw downgrade
2022-07-21 18:26:28	phrik	CarloWood: Downgrade - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Downgrade
2022-07-21 18:27:24	toinux	talking 'bout Nvidia drivers, have you got an idea on a strange behaviors on Linux which happenned only once I installed a broken version on WIindows
2022-07-21 18:27:42	mefistofeles	CarloWood: also, what's the issue you are experimenting?
2022-07-21 18:28:16	toinux	I explain, my 3rd monitor is an old crappy hdmi-compliant monitor, and I never achieved to use 1920x1080 on it, maximum is something like 1400x900
2022-07-21 18:28:37	toinux	it happenned to me once on windows on a particularly broken version of the Nvidia driver (cannot remember exacte version though)
2022-07-21 18:29:41	Scimmia	CarloWood: make sure you're using dkms and not a pre-built module
2022-07-21 18:29:42	toinux	I suppose that has something to do with the screen EDID which is badly interpreted on linux ? and correctly on Windows ? if you've got some ideas on the case, let me know ;)
2022-07-21 18:30:10	Scimmia	then you can downgrade as long as the version you're using supports your current kernel
2022-07-21 18:30:30	CarloWood	mefistofeles: I ran into this: https://www.reddit.com/r/secondlife/comments/vcyt69/firestorm_viewer_graphic_issues_client_is_showing/
2022-07-21 18:31:11	CarloWood	Scimmia: dkms?
2022-07-21 18:33:10	CarloWood	My /var/cache/pacman/pkg is entirely empty.
2022-07-21 18:34:40	tomty89	!ala
2022-07-21 18:34:40	phrik	Let's flip through it to hunt our lovely bugs: <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_Archive>. The Arch Linux Archive itself can be browsed at <https://archive.archlinux.org/>.
2022-07-21 18:38:54	CarloWood	warning: cannot resolve "nvidia-utils=510.68.02", a dependency of "nvidia-dkms"
2022-07-21 18:38:54	CarloWood	:: The following package cannot be upgraded due to unresolvable dependencies:
2022-07-21 18:38:54	CarloWood	      nvidia-dkms
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2022-07-21 18:39:42	CarloWood	Scimmia: so... I should download both nvidia-dkms and nvidia-utils ?
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2022-07-21 18:41:06	Scimmia	yes, the utils have to match the version of the module
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2022-07-21 20:09:54	wasamasa	hello
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2022-07-21 20:10:23	wasamasa	after all these years I still haven't looked into systemd --user
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2022-07-21 20:10:56	wasamasa	I stumbled upon https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd/User#DISPLAY_and_XAUTHORITY today and no, they are not set
2022-07-21 20:10:58	phrik	Title: systemd/User - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-21 20:11:05	wasamasa	I'm launching xinit via .zprofile
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2022-07-21 20:11:15	wasamasa	[[ $(fgconsole 2>/dev/null) == 1 ]] && exec xinit -- -nolisten tcp :0 vt$XDG_VTNR -ardelay 200 -arinterval 40
2022-07-21 20:11:25	wasamasa	is the use of exec an issue?
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2022-07-21 20:11:40	artefact	why would it be?
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2022-07-21 20:11:56	wasamasa	because some pages later exec is mentioned as a possible issue
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2022-07-21 20:12:23	wasamasa	to be honest, I have no idea what exactly non-standard way of launching X means
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2022-07-21 20:12:33	tomty89	wasamasa: xinit does not source /etc/X11/xinitrc.d/* I think
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2022-07-21 20:12:58	tomty89	wasamasa: actually, technically not even startx
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2022-07-21 20:13:08	wasamasa	lol
2022-07-21 20:13:28	tomty89	wasamasa: that's why you need to have the sourcing command / block in .xinitrc (for startx)
2022-07-21 20:13:49	wasamasa	le sigh
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2022-07-21 20:14:27	tomty89	but really having DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY imported into "systemd --user" is a disease
2022-07-21 20:14:44	wasamasa	hum, is it
2022-07-21 20:15:03	artefact	works for me https://paste.debian.net/plainh/a8894f7c
2022-07-21 20:15:24	wasamasa	I've chased down a rabbit hole why pass run from a script launched from i3 wouldn't pop up pinentry-gtk2
2022-07-21 20:15:24	tomty89	anything requiring you to do so (namely gnome-terminal) breaks the possiblity of having multiple X on different tty started / logged in with the same user
2022-07-21 20:15:51	wasamasa	while launching pass from a tty would work fine
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2022-07-21 20:16:06	wasamasa	and I'm trying to rule out some configuration mistakes
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2022-07-21 20:17:29	⚡ 	tomty89 switchted from gnome-terminal to terminator just because of that
2022-07-21 20:21:09	MorpheusXNL	evening guys i have strange quirk going on. sometimes at random my laptop goed to sleep. when i check the journal the system thinks that i closed the lid of the laptop which i didn't any ideas how i can fix this. as it is random i can't replicate on demand by wiggling the laptop lid
2022-07-21 20:21:30	◣	Twig (~Twig@185.248.85.20) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-07-21 20:22:05	tomty89	wasamasa: is this pass thing supposed to "pop up pinentry-gtk2" in any case anyway
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2022-07-21 20:25:09	tomty89	wasamasa: or do you mean lpass (lastpass-cli)?
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2022-07-21 20:26:59	lolok	MorpheusXNL you can totally disable lid events if thats a good enough solution https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management#Power_management_with_systemd
2022-07-21 20:27:00	phrik	Title: Power management - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-21 20:28:37	Tom_laptop	MorpheusXNL: my guess is some are using a magnet in either the lid or the palmrest that triggers the lidswitch. are you placing something magnetised close to it sometimes or is the switch just wonky? :p
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2022-07-21 20:29:11	lolok	yes its almost certainly hardware
2022-07-21 20:29:23	lolok	has happened to me many time before
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2022-07-21 20:29:55	lolok	best just totally disable it
2022-07-21 20:30:14	MorpheusXNL	It is a macbook air, also saw another log message regarding an acpi error 52
2022-07-21 20:30:38	MorpheusXNL	failed to change powerstate to d0
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2022-07-21 20:33:29	MorpheusXNL	what lolok suggested is of course an option i can disable the lid switch, but i would rather figure out where this acpi error is coming from.
2022-07-21 20:33:59	MorpheusXNL	lolok: thanks for the url by the way i will put that in my favourites good to have at hand
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2022-07-21 20:34:22	Tom_laptop	sounds more of it tried to change to powerstate were its barely drawing power when its in sleep or such, but that didnt work be it broken/not implented etc
2022-07-21 20:34:42	Tom_laptop	so you might be draining some unnecessery power in sleep anyhow
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2022-07-21 20:38:33	MorpheusXNL	TheDcoder: installed fish after you made your case last night. i am sold!
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2022-07-21 20:38:59	wasamasa	Tom_laptop: yes, I'm using pass and that uses gpg and gpg defaults to pinentry-gtk2 or its curses thing when there's no X
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2022-07-21 20:39:10	wasamasa	* tomty89: ^
2022-07-21 20:39:16	ℹ 	Polo es conocido ahora como money
2022-07-21 20:39:16	◣	money (~Gambino@user/polo) ha salido (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2022-07-21 20:40:00	wasamasa	if I look at the output of journalctl --user, I get "Jul 21 20:38:23 odonien gpg-agent[2932]: Failed to lookup password for key n/6C262FDFE68FBAB57A740A18FAD05BABE37E1ED5 with secret service: The name org.freedesktop.secrets was not provided by any .service files"
2022-07-21 20:40:07	wasamasa	well, more than that
2022-07-21 20:40:23	wasamasa	http://ix.io/4547
2022-07-21 20:40:33	wasamasa	why on earth it's using libsecret, no idea
2022-07-21 20:40:56	wasamasa	but I'm inclined to adjust the script to use a key not requiring interactive unlocking
2022-07-21 20:41:05	MorpheusXNL	Tom_laptop: hmmm that is certainly interesting that theory now finding out what item is the culprit
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2022-07-21 20:44:44	MorpheusXNL	Tom_laptop: but that would not explain why my laptop is going to sleep while i am still working on it
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2022-07-21 20:47:52	tomty89	wasamasa: if you unset DISPLAY or XAUTHORITY in the terminal emulator before you run pass (show), do you see a tui prompt?
2022-07-21 20:48:19	tomty89	wasamasa: I mean like the "normal env vars" in the running shell, nothing systemd
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2022-07-21 20:49:27	wasamasa	yes, I get the ncurses prompt
2022-07-21 20:49:52	tomty89	wasamasa: can you pastebin `systemctl --user --type=socket`?
2022-07-21 20:50:50	wasamasa	http://ix.io/454b
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2022-07-21 20:51:43	TheDcoder	MorpheusXNL: Welcome to the fish club, I'm glad that you like it :) We need more fish users
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2022-07-21 20:52:33	BrainDamage	oO( is concatenating files using fish shell catphishing? )
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2022-07-21 20:52:57	artefact	probably fishcatting
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2022-07-21 20:53:33	teraflops	🍱
2022-07-21 20:53:38	artefact	although, unless your cat is a shell builtin, it's a gnu+coreutils/catting
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2022-07-21 20:54:58	MorpheusXNL	TheDcoder: i told you i installed my macbook yesterday with arch an boot times where horrible, it seems that in some weird way the installation on my macbook went as legacy bios. so after long searching and help from everyone here i reinstalled this time making sure it installed EFI partition etc and now blazingly fast 
2022-07-21 20:55:47	MorpheusXNL	TheDcoder: so whats the thing, who knew that mac could run legacy bios never touught of that
2022-07-21 20:55:48	wasamasa	is it possible to practice this EFI install thing with virtualbox?
2022-07-21 20:56:30	◣	[czar] (4a1089c674@kalli.st) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-07-21 20:56:33	TheDcoder	MorpheusXNL: Sorry, I don't recall. Perhaps you're mistaking me for someone else? I'm just the `fish` guy, not the guy who helped with Mac
2022-07-21 20:56:42	TheDcoder	Also I thought ALARM was off-topic here?
2022-07-21 20:56:58	MorpheusXNL	what is alarm
2022-07-21 20:57:00	TheDcoder	unless you have one of the older x86 Macs :)
2022-07-21 20:57:02	bittin	#archlinux-arm #archlinuxarm
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2022-07-21 20:57:08	artefact	alarm! alarm! invoke rule "notarch"
2022-07-21 20:57:11	teraflops	it looks like an intel macbook air
2022-07-21 20:57:15	TheDcoder	!give MorpheusXNL alarm
2022-07-21 20:57:15	phrik	MorpheusXNL: If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
2022-07-21 20:57:19	MorpheusXNL	yes it is a 2012 model
2022-07-21 20:57:42	TheDcoder	MorpheusXNL: The latest Macs come with an M1 Chip which is not x86
2022-07-21 20:57:44	MorpheusXNL	it is an intel model
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2022-07-21 20:58:32	MorpheusXNL	so and you are right you did not help me with my mac :) your the fish guy haha
2022-07-21 20:58:46	wasamasa	incredibly enough, yes: https://docs.oracle.com/en/virtualization/virtualbox/6.0/user/efi.html
2022-07-21 20:58:47	phrik	Title: 3.14. Alternative Firmware (EFI) (at docs.oracle.com)
2022-07-21 20:59:11	wasamasa	this machine could really use a reinstall anyway
2022-07-21 20:59:19	teraflops	alarm on macbook m1 using qemu hvf accel flies
2022-07-21 20:59:41	TheDcoder	teraflops: Anyone got rosetta working yet?
2022-07-21 20:59:55	teraflops	idk 
2022-07-21 21:00:12	tomty89	wasamasa: hmm, does your systemctl --user has dbus.service running?
2022-07-21 21:00:21	TheDcoder	ok
2022-07-21 21:00:26	wasamasa	tomty89: yes
2022-07-21 21:00:32	teraflops	but virgl patches work ok
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2022-07-21 21:01:08	tomty89	wasamasa: apparently pinentry-gtk2 does try to use gnome-keyring-daemon via dbus
2022-07-21 21:01:09	◣	gnurp_ (~gnurp@gateway/tor-sasl/gnurp) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-07-21 21:01:13	wasamasa	but why
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2022-07-21 21:01:18	wasamasa	can I somehow disable that
2022-07-21 21:01:21	TheDcoder	good
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2022-07-21 21:01:36	wasamasa	why doesn't it try harder to like, launch something graphical and give up on that
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2022-07-22 16:07:13	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-07-22 16:07:13	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1441 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1440 normals)
2022-07-22 00:54:29	spine-o-saurus	Hey I'm getting a stop job timeout when trying to reboot, it says the User Manager service is timing out
2022-07-22 00:55:26	spine-o-saurus	and when I set DefaultTimeoutStopSec in /etc/systemd/system.conf it didn't help either
2022-07-22 00:56:19	spine-o-saurus	but if I disable and stop it before reboot it doesn't timeout
2022-07-22 00:59:16	lolok	i missed the question is this a user unit?
2022-07-22 01:00:56	spine-o-saurus	i think its the service
2022-07-22 01:01:22	predicament	who says netplan sucks?
2022-07-22 01:01:25	predicament	curious
2022-07-22 01:01:27	Metroid	everyone
2022-07-22 01:01:29	predicament	^
2022-07-22 01:01:31	predicament	thats right
2022-07-22 01:01:43	predicament	all the answers to this issue is netplan netplan netplan
2022-07-22 01:01:49	predicament	i dont use netplan
2022-07-22 01:02:00	predicament	ubuntu ubuntu ubuntu.
2022-07-22 01:02:02	predicament	:(
2022-07-22 01:02:18	predicament	ick
2022-07-22 01:03:37	jkc	Metroid: netplan works quite well. So, no, not everyone.
2022-07-22 01:37:41	kj7rrv_laptop	Does Secure Boot do any good if you store the signing keys on the same device?
2022-07-22 01:38:34	BrainDamage	sure, provided they are encrypted
2022-07-22 01:38:54	BrainDamage	as in, they sit on the FDE drive
2022-07-22 01:39:02	kj7rrv_laptop	Oh okay, so that way I would enter a password every time I update the kernel or bootlaoder?
2022-07-22 01:39:16	kj7rrv_laptop	oh, okay, so you need FDE for SB to be useful?
2022-07-22 01:39:27	BrainDamage	yes
2022-07-22 01:39:49	BrainDamage	because the rest of your system is not authenticated
2022-07-22 01:40:02	BrainDamage	FDE gives you encryption, but also authentication
2022-07-22 01:40:29	BrainDamage	otherwise the kernel can remain same but the rest of the disk be tampered at will
2022-07-22 01:40:34	kj7rrv_laptop	okay. I have a Windows/Arch dual boot, but I don't have Windows listed in grub (I just use UEFI's boot menu and pick Windows Boot Manager or Grub; GRUB is default). Is there a way to encrypt my Arch installation without affecting Windows?
2022-07-22 01:41:33	BrainDamage	sure, but encrypting an existing disk is less immediate than starting from scratch
2022-07-22 01:41:43	BrainDamage	however, I  don't know about signing windows
2022-07-22 01:41:59	BrainDamage	as in, the SB part that would validate grub and the kernel, vs windows
2022-07-22 01:42:16	kj7rrv_laptop	What do you mean by "less immediate"?
2022-07-22 01:42:29	kj7rrv_laptop	Also, this is a laptop with an SSD; not sure if that matters
2022-07-22 01:43:54	BrainDamage	configuring FDE is already a chore, and doing to an existing partition means using a rarely known tool called luksipc, which might or might not destroy your data
2022-07-22 01:44:05	BrainDamage	mostly because it's little used, so might have more bugs
2022-07-22 01:44:11	kj7rrv_laptop	oh okay
2022-07-22 01:44:40	kj7rrv_laptop	So it would be better to back up all my data and reinstall?
2022-07-22 01:44:40	BrainDamage	if instead you create a new partition, encrypt, then move the data in, you won't have that problem
2022-07-22 01:44:55	BrainDamage	in short: yes
2022-07-22 01:45:00	kj7rrv_laptop	okay
2022-07-22 01:45:09	BrainDamage	I would recommend that you experiment a bit with a VM
2022-07-22 01:45:18	kj7rrv_laptop	Okay, I'll do that
2022-07-22 01:45:22	BrainDamage	because setting up FDE is daunting
2022-07-22 01:45:38	BrainDamage	and requires doing several choices in the setup
2022-07-22 01:45:48	NBLS_Lucy	?D
2022-07-22 01:45:55	kj7rrv_laptop	does it actually encrypt the entire disk, or just one partition? or is that configurable?
2022-07-22 01:46:44	BrainDamage	configurable
2022-07-22 01:47:24	BrainDamage	the entire disk is impossible, the bootloader has to be plain
2022-07-22 01:47:45	kj7rrv_laptop	okay, that makes sense
2022-07-22 01:48:01	BrainDamage	there's the possibility to encrypt grub, and only have a min stub to decrypt it, but that's a den of madness
2022-07-22 01:48:08	BrainDamage	and requires typing two pw to boot
2022-07-22 01:48:22	kj7rrv_laptop	So in a Windows dual boot with FDE on both oses, Windows would be encrypted with BitLocker and Linux would be encrypted with LUKS?
2022-07-22 01:48:26	BrainDamage	and doesn't really offer you much security
2022-07-22 01:48:30	kj7rrv_laptop	*Windows/Linux dual boot
2022-07-22 01:48:35	kj7rrv_laptop	okay
2022-07-22 01:49:17	kj7rrv_laptop	I'm not too concerned about encrypting Windows, but I would like to if it's possible
2022-07-22 02:16:43	RICKEDROLLED	kj7rrv_laptop, What windows os? 
2022-07-22 04:05:18	DaveLib	hello  i am running and arch and trying the following there  though this is really a general linux question  not special to arch
2022-07-22 04:06:12	DaveLib	i only recently heard about booting into an iso image file directly without burning to dvd  and googled that and been trying
2022-07-22 04:07:03	DaveLib	so far it hasn't worked  i get error msgs  attempt to read outside loop   you must run kernel first
2022-07-22 04:07:51	DaveLib	i could paste in the few lines of code from ny /etc/grub.d/40_custom
2022-07-22 04:08:01	DaveLib	how do i do pastebin here?
2022-07-22 04:09:52	DaveLib	oh i see the pastebin instructions above
2022-07-22 04:12:54	DaveLib	!pastebin
2022-07-22 04:12:54	phrik	Pastebin.com is swamped with advertisements and random captchas. Malware found on pastebin.com has resulted in it being blocked for some users. It injects CRLF line-endings. Please, use something else. Use something sane like https://gist.github.com https://bpaste.net https://ix.io and see !ix for easy way to paste from a pipe
2022-07-22 04:17:03	lolok	i think you can boot it from efi shell, if its on a FAT filesystem, and bypass grub
2022-07-22 04:18:00	DaveLib	so i reboot and go into uefi?
2022-07-22 04:18:46	DaveLib	my disk is gpt with uefi but my 40_custom file is in a ext4 partition on that disk
2022-07-22 04:18:54	bloodfart69	I am trying to chainload another grub. I already have created one succesful menuentry, but my second is not working for some reason. 
2022-07-22 04:20:26	bloodfart69	eh, it's probably vague what I am saying
2022-07-22 04:23:41	lolok	DaveLib efi shell is not your mobo firmware setup menu https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#UEFI_Shell
2022-07-22 04:23:43	phrik	Title: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-22 04:24:26	DaveLib	thanks lolok
2022-07-22 04:48:21	agent_white	!paste
2022-07-22 04:48:21	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-07-22 04:48:25	agent_white	Ah ok.
2022-07-22 04:49:11	DaveLib	!ix
2022-07-22 04:49:12	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-07-22 04:49:41	DaveLib	!rs
2022-07-22 04:49:41	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2022-07-22 07:10:34	bloodfart69	What's so bad about bloodfart? I've been getting hate recently 
2022-07-22 07:11:09	gehidore	what?
2022-07-22 07:11:28	gehidore	if you're getting hate here you're being a help vampire
2022-07-22 07:11:47	gehidore	or a pompous ass, either way
2022-07-22 07:12:21	mefistofeles	bloodfart69: it's a bad nickname, but not hate deserving
2022-07-22 07:15:25	bloodfart69	mefistofeles, I go into ubuntu channel and just my existence pisses off half the people
2022-07-22 07:17:18	bloodfart69	Or bots. That said, I am seeking only bleeding edge packages from now on. Gotta stay with my persona
2022-07-22 07:18:11	lolok	i play wolf:et with someone who uses this name...
2022-07-22 07:18:17	mefistofeles	bloodfart69: try changing the nickname to something less ...
2022-07-22 07:22:06	bloodfart69	I had this name since 2021 or even earlier
2022-07-22 07:22:11	bloodfart69	But sure ill change it 
2022-07-22 07:22:58	gehidore	and you wonder why...
2022-07-22 07:23:17	gehidore	lolok what server you play on?
2022-07-22 07:23:21	lolok	lol in that case have fun knowing its not even original https://et.trackbase.net/?mod=playerinfo&idx=101136&show=server lmao
2022-07-22 07:23:22	phrik	Title: [et.trackbase.net] » Statistics for player: Bloodfart (at et.trackbase.net)
2022-07-22 07:24:17	dirtymagazine	You're telling me I have a brethern in arms?
2022-07-22 07:24:23	lolok	gehidore im all over, if you ever see an etplayer that can straifejump, that ones me
2022-07-22 07:24:41	gehidore	I thought we all strafejumped
2022-07-22 07:24:49	gehidore	it's been eons since I played
2022-07-22 07:25:15	gehidore	used to play with the lugradio folks
2022-07-22 07:25:22	lolok	nope... about once a year i have to explain that its not a hack... for about the last 20 years...
2022-07-22 07:25:23	gehidore	_a lot_
2022-07-22 07:25:39	gehidore	that might be why I would get banned so much :(
2022-07-22 07:26:27	gehidore	keep saying I should install it again
2022-07-22 07:26:47	lolok	well you can play without having to setup OSS now with etlegacy
2022-07-22 07:27:40	gehidore	is legacy the version available in aur?
2022-07-22 07:28:34	gehidore	ahh etlegacy is available I see it now
2022-07-22 07:28:36	lolok	theres a few in the aur iirc, i just unpacked it manually, no need to install it system wide for me
2022-07-22 07:29:08	gehidore	install and die I shall
2022-07-22 07:29:24	gehidore	been playing UrT in the interim so I shouldn't be that horrid /s
2022-07-22 07:29:46	lolok	trackbase [the link above] has a good server list, the one in game is... broken...
2022-07-22 07:34:52	lolok	urt i played exactly once, had someone tk me in our spawn, then got banned for returning the favor...
2022-07-22 07:41:42	bloodfart69	phrik, oh that's a game? I literally thought that was a website to keep attract of people's miles lol
2022-07-22 07:41:42	phrik	bloodfart69: The answer is 42.
2022-07-22 07:42:41	lolok	!bot
2022-07-22 07:42:41	phrik	I'm a bot! ~does the binary solo~ 00001 000011 0000111
2022-07-22 07:42:50	lolok	its an old game lol
2022-07-22 07:43:10	bloodfart69	Damn, I wasn't evem close to the number
2022-07-22 07:43:33	bloodfart69	Looks like runescape 1990
2022-07-22 07:43:41	bloodfart69	or 98. Or one of those two 
2022-07-22 07:44:42	lolok	its based on q3 code, so, 1999
2022-07-22 07:45:37	lolok	afaik none of the changes were done to the rendering pipeline except removing the qvm
2022-07-22 07:47:27	bloodfart69	I was told back then you can run bash bandicoot on windows 1995 for about 10 minutes before it goes boom
2022-07-22 07:48:08	lolok	in 95 if you werent playing doom2 you were btfo
2022-07-22 07:48:42	lolok	still have my original cd
2022-07-22 07:49:59	bloodfart69	I actually installed windows 95 on a usb and almost had a stroke
2022-07-22 07:50:52	lolok	here have another https://bellard.org/jslinux/vm.html?url=win2k.cfg&mem=192&graphic=1&w=1024&h=768
2022-07-22 07:50:53	phrik	Title: JSLinux (at bellard.org)
2022-07-22 07:52:21	bloodfart69	Another stroke you say?
2022-07-22 07:52:30	bloodfart69	yes pls
2022-07-22 07:52:30	lolok	yea fun right?
2022-07-22 07:52:52	lolok	whens the last time you played space cadet pinball?
2022-07-22 07:53:25	bloodfart69	it's been years
2022-07-22 07:53:46	bloodfart69	I loved piball. but I hated that land mine one; can't remember the name
2022-07-22 07:53:53	lolok	minesweeper
2022-07-22 07:53:58	bloodfart69	yeah
2022-07-22 07:54:08	lolok	they speedrun that
2022-07-22 07:54:16	bloodfart69	fr?
2022-07-22 07:54:20	lolok	yea its insane
2022-07-22 07:54:58	bloodfart69	I was king at finding the mines
2022-07-22 07:54:59	lolok	i dont think youll keep up with them in a js vm tho lol
2022-07-22 07:55:39	bloodfart69	nah, I can't. I can't barely even type english correctly. Even tho it's my first langauge
2022-07-22 07:56:12	lolok	as someone who just changed keyboards i feel you
2022-07-22 07:57:24	bloodfart69	hahaha
2022-07-22 08:03:39	bloodfart69	lolok, tell the other bloodfart I said hello my brethern
2022-07-22 08:09:30	bloodfart69	I am starting to suspect that the dude in the hexchat lied to me how you reply to people 
2022-07-22 08:11:57	lolok	im easily distracted
2022-07-22 08:15:19	bloodfart69	lolok, I don't blame you. Playing Elden Ring right now
2022-07-22 10:09:30	node1	Hi
2022-07-22 10:12:14	Edu4rdSHL	!give node1 welcome
2022-07-22 10:12:14	phrik	node1: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-07-22 10:12:26	node1	lol
2022-07-22 10:12:55	node1	How to check if my cpu has the capability of hyperthreading.
2022-07-22 10:18:56	artefact	node1: lscpu, check "threads per core"
2022-07-22 10:20:35	node1	It shows 1
2022-07-22 10:20:51	node1	1 core 1 thread
2022-07-22 10:35:25	artefact	might not always be accurate if you're running in a vm
2022-07-22 10:35:45	artefact	(hopefully providers know what they're doing, and don't share the smt core with another customer)
2022-07-22 10:36:21	artefact	the topology information isn't always passed through correctly. this matters eg on zen/epyc with their ccxes
2022-07-22 11:02:36	CarloWood	When I do pacman -Syu  it tries to upgrade nvidia-kms to nvidia-dkms-515.57-1 (which is broken, I downgraded it yesterday).  There is a fix in 516.59 that has been out since 28 June.  When will 516.59 be available for Arch?
2022-07-22 11:03:43	Namarrgon	nobody knows; update it locally yourself until it's fixed
2022-07-22 11:05:11	Edu4rdSHL	What's broken in .57 ?
2022-07-22 11:05:21	Edu4rdSHL	I have been using it without any problem
2022-07-22 11:05:46	CarloWood	It is mentioned here: https://www.reddit.com/r/secondlife/comments/vcyt69/firestorm_viewer_graphic_issues_client_is_showing/
2022-07-22 11:06:24	CarloWood	Happens also on windows and with other viewers. Also in some other games. Seems to be a real driver bug imho related to shadows in 3D games.
2022-07-22 11:06:36	Edu4rdSHL	I see
2022-07-22 11:09:54	artefact	you can use asp, tweak the source and install probably w/o issues
2022-07-22 11:10:35	artefact	i really love asp, it's like the ports tree i've always wanted
2022-07-22 11:10:42	Namarrgon	bump $pkgver, reset $pkgrel, update the checksums
2022-07-22 11:17:08	CarloWood	I am getting a lot of error like this one:
2022-07-22 11:17:11	CarloWood	error: carla: signature from "David Runge <dvzrv@archlinux.org>" is marginal trust
2022-07-22 11:17:11	CarloWood	:: File /opt/cache/pacman/pkg/carla-2.5.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)).
2022-07-22 11:18:36	kattjevfel	CarloWood: update archlinux-keyring
2022-07-22 11:19:40	CarloWood	gpg: key 1EB2638FF56C0C53: no user ID for key signature packet of class 10
2022-07-22 11:19:40	CarloWood	gpg: key 786C63F330D7CB92: no user ID for key signature packet of class 10
2022-07-22 11:20:05	MrElendig	when doing -Sy archlinux-keyring?
2022-07-22 11:20:17	MrElendig	(and do post full output
2022-07-22 11:20:19	MrElendig	)
2022-07-22 11:21:34	CarloWood	Maybe it worked, but it looks strange: https://bpa.st/727A
2022-07-22 11:21:36	phrik	Title: View paste 727A (at bpa.st)
2022-07-22 11:22:04	Edu4rdSHL	Just ignore that, I always have that output. Do you have another keyring on your system?
2022-07-22 11:24:43	CarloWood	Seems to work now, thx.
2022-07-22 11:30:02	CarloWood	I still think that if someone runs 'pacman -Syu' which should upgrade archlinux-keyring too - that it should be the FIRST package to be upgraded; or am I missing something?
2022-07-22 11:31:07	CarloWood	I guess the error happens before the first package is upgraded.. :/
2022-07-22 11:34:04	artefact	i think it should. the issue pops here often enough
2022-07-22 11:38:36	CarloWood	Hmm - my program (that I am working on) is no longer working :/
2022-07-22 11:38:39	CarloWood	ThreadPool02    VKERROR       ☠☠☠     setup_loader_term_phys_devs:  Failed to detect any valid GPUs in the current config
2022-07-22 11:38:58	CarloWood	I suppose I can try a reboot %-). But this is scary
2022-07-22 11:39:38	artefact	nvidia? nvidia-utils doesnt like version mismatches
2022-07-22 11:40:33	CarloWood	I have nvidia, but this is a vulkan program written in C++. I don't think it uses nvidia-utils.
2022-07-22 11:40:48	artefact	where do you think the vulkan impl comes from?
2022-07-22 11:41:05	artefact	anyway, you should see warnings in kmesg if there's a version mismatch
2022-07-22 11:41:09	CarloWood	The only problem can be that there is a mismatch between running kernel module and installed libraries.
2022-07-22 11:50:02	CarloWood	reboot fixed it
2022-07-22 11:56:54	CarloWood	The artifacts are also gone.. strange. I suppose the new driver has also the fix. Perhaps they made a new release for 515 as well as 516 that fixed it.
2022-07-22 13:10:09	artefact	i'm still here
2022-07-22 13:48:04	AiO	sirs/maddames... what's the best way of getting/where can i find logs from alsa if a driver misbehaves?
2022-07-22 13:54:18	another|	journa
2022-07-22 13:54:20	another|	journal
2022-07-22 13:59:05	AiO	it's silent :(
2022-07-22 13:59:48	AiO	i'm experiencing issues with the snd_hdspm (and a fork called snd_hdspe) when it comes to handling midi-input.
2022-07-22 13:59:49	llua	just like your audio, ba da dis.
2022-07-22 14:00:18	AiO	na.. the audio is (when this happens) looping the same buffert indefinetly, not fetching any new PCM-data :D
2022-07-22 14:01:30	AiO	there is no issue handling midi in when the card is not paying any audio tho
2022-07-22 14:02:19	AiO	as soon as there is audio _and_ midi input .. ploppers :(
2022-07-22 14:03:45	AiO	it's a RME RayDAT card
2022-07-22 14:04:00	AiO	with 2 midi-in/out... b.t.w. midi-output works like a charm
2022-07-22 15:15:50	roxlu	Hi, I've been reading up on a better way to manage my ssh keys. Any recommendations on how to manage your keys?
2022-07-22 15:16:21	grawity	manage in what sense
2022-07-22 15:17:37	roxlu	I'm currently managing ~10 servers that have my public key. I want to recreate that key, then add it to authorized keys again. I'm looking for a way to make that process simpler/faster.
2022-07-22 15:18:10	MacGyver	Sounds like you want certificates, until you realize you don't want certificates.
2022-07-22 15:18:51	artefact	what do you mean by recreate the key? renew?
2022-07-22 15:19:01	roxlu	MacGyver: thanks :) I read about using certificates as a way to manage those. But I'm not sure if that would be a good solution
2022-07-22 15:19:20	MacGyver	I don't think "10" is the threshold where I would go for the hassle of certificate management.
2022-07-22 15:19:30	grawity	it's kind of the point of certificates
2022-07-22 15:19:48	roxlu	ok thanks, that answers my question :)
2022-07-22 15:19:48	MacGyver	But if it is for you: Yes, use certificates.
2022-07-22 15:20:00	grawity	that the verification only needs to know a stable CA pubkey instead of all individual valid user/host keys
2022-07-22 15:20:05	grawity	are those ~10 servers managed by the same administration?
2022-07-22 15:20:13	roxlu	grawity: yes
2022-07-22 15:20:15	grawity	do you plan on creating a new key often?
2022-07-22 15:20:33	grawity	or is this a one time task?
2022-07-22 15:20:42	grawity	are there more users, or just you?
2022-07-22 15:20:43	roxlu	grawity: I was thinking to start doing that more regurlarly yes
2022-07-22 15:20:51	roxlu	just me atm
2022-07-22 15:21:05	grawity	then yeah you probably want certificates
2022-07-22 15:21:28	grawity	or LDAP to store user accounts, together with their valid keys
2022-07-22 15:21:43	grawity	or a shell script to mass deploy authorized_keys
2022-07-22 15:21:55	grawity	or kerberos instead of keys
2022-07-22 15:22:55	grawity	(iirc step-ca is supposed to be an easy tool to set up CAs where you log in via oauth and get a "daily" short lived certificate for ssh login)
2022-07-22 15:23:53	grawity	when I had mostly accounts on other people's random servers, before ssh *had* certificates, I made a cronjob to get authorized_keys from my website, gpg --verify it, install to ~/.ssh
2022-07-22 15:24:29	grawity	with certs though, you add one line to authorized_keys and it covers all of your certs that you'll issue in the future
2022-07-22 15:25:10	roxlu	grawity: yeah from the solutions I read about, using certificates seems to be the most straight forward one to use
2022-07-22 15:27:52	txtsd	How do I get more info when an AUR helper shows me this?
2022-07-22 15:27:55	txtsd	error: failed to run: gpg --recv-keys <key>
2022-07-22 15:28:17	txtsd	But when I run the command manually it doesn't fail
2022-07-22 15:29:34	txtsd	Actually, nvm the output is the same both times.
2022-07-22 15:30:23	txtsd	https://0x0.st/ojc_.txt
2022-07-22 15:41:04	dpirate	I have a strange problem. I have two hosts running Arch to which I connect with SSH and forward gpg-agent and gnupg sockets. One of them, the Forwarding of the socket files works every time. The other one the socket forwarding never works unless I delete the socket files in /run/user/$uid/gnupg. I've compared the configuration of both. The user configuration files are identical because I rsync
2022-07-22 15:41:04	dpirate	them from the same source to both and I've 
2022-07-22 15:41:04	dpirate	checked manually that this is the case. What services or user services are running, enabled is identical. I'm running out of ideas why this second host is behaving that way.
2022-07-22 15:44:13	dpirate	Oh and of course they run the same kernel and relevant packages.
2022-07-22 15:45:30	dpirate	I've also compared the environment variables of both and no relevant difference
2022-07-22 15:46:01	dpirate	the perms of /run/user/$uid/gnupg are identical
2022-07-22 16:07:13	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-22 16:59:35	ℹ 	felixonmars_ es conocido ahora como felixonmars
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2022-07-22 18:03:17	jdarnley	Are there packages for old version of gcc?
2022-07-22 18:03:35	jdarnley	Oh maybe in AUR
2022-07-22 18:03:44	nathan	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux_Archive
2022-07-22 18:03:45	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Archive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-22 18:03:56	jdarnley	I want to see how something compiles across versions
2022-07-22 18:04:15	jdarnley	I don't mean to replace current gcc version 12
2022-07-22 18:04:26	jdarnley	I mean side-by-side ones
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2022-07-22 18:15:03	jdarnley	looks like what I want is in aur
2022-07-22 18:15:22	jdarnley	Something to spend on time later
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2022-07-22 18:54:42	gtlsgamr	Hi all
2022-07-22 18:54:45	gtlsgamr	^@ character being typed randomly in tty.
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2022-07-22 18:54:52	gtlsgamr	repetedly
2022-07-22 18:55:00	gtlsgamr	Thing just started 5 minutes ago! Did not even update.
2022-07-22 18:55:04	gtlsgamr	Any possible way forward from here?
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2022-07-22 18:55:24	mefistofeles	you are being hacked by aliens, clearly
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2022-07-22 18:55:46	mefistofeles	gtlsgamr: did you run some application in that same shell session?
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2022-07-22 18:56:05	gtlsgamr	no mefistofeles . that's the fun part
2022-07-22 18:56:12	gtlsgamr	I have not done ANYTHING out of the ordinary
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2022-07-22 18:56:32	mefistofeles	interesting
2022-07-22 18:56:51	gtlsgamr	At first I thought maybe my laptop keys are malfunctioning
2022-07-22 18:57:02	gtlsgamr	So I floated the keyboard using xinput- nope.
2022-07-22 18:57:09	mefistofeles	maybe the touchpad
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2022-07-22 18:58:13	gtlsgamr	Restarted multiple times
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2022-07-22 19:00:25	gtlsgamr	I did sudo dmseg -T
2022-07-22 19:00:38	gtlsgamr	I think i have a culprit
2022-07-22 19:00:39	gtlsgamr	http://0x0.st/ojT_.txt
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2022-07-22 19:04:56	gtlsgamr	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1227996
2022-07-22 19:04:57	phrik	Title: Bug #1227996 “[Lenovo IdeaPad Yoga 13] ubuntu doesn't know about...” : Bugs : linux package : Ubuntu (at bugs.launchpad.net)
2022-07-22 19:04:59	gtlsgamr	similar to this
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2022-07-22 19:49:58	heng	Hi
2022-07-22 19:50:07	bittin	hi
2022-07-22 19:51:05	TestingPlant	hi
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2022-07-22 19:53:29	nathan	hi
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2022-07-22 19:53:51	heng	I do have a question.. checkpkg can't find a tarball in a custom PKGDEST setup in /etc/makepkg.conf .. is there something I miss in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Makepkg ?
2022-07-22 19:53:53	phrik	Title: makepkg - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-22 19:54:12	heng	Hi, hope you are fine!
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2022-07-22 19:55:15	heng	i do a search but can't find any solution
2022-07-22 19:55:33	heng	the pkg is in that folder
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2022-07-22 19:55:57	heng	*tarball
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2022-07-22 19:56:12	ghostbuster	what's the correct way to set MAKEOPTS in a PKGBUILD file from AUR?
2022-07-22 19:56:46	mpan	heng: checkpkg is supposed to be run in the same directory as the package resides in, no?
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2022-07-22 19:59:34	mpan	ghostbuster: you mean MAKEFLAGS? 
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2022-07-22 19:59:41	heng	mpan, i also setup SRCDEST and 'asp export' the PKGBUILD in that.. isn't this way correct?
2022-07-22 20:00:54	ghostbuster	mpan: i'm building an AUR package called sdrpp and in the build() func it includes this line: make $MAKEOPTS
2022-07-22 20:01:21	ghostbuster	I just appended -j8 but I have a feeling that's not the "correct" way to do that
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2022-07-22 20:01:46	mpan	ghostbuster: then the package itself should define them. Flags for `make` invocations in `makepkg` are in general set using MAKEFLAGS in “/etc/makepkg.conf”.
2022-07-22 20:02:03	mpan	(note: that is unrelated to AUR)
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2022-07-22 20:07:16	ghostbuster	mpan: awesome thanks. I wonder if it's a mistake in this particular PKGBUILD
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2022-07-22 20:07:46	heng	after that i do 'extra-x86_64-build' and compiling is without errors, but end up with "ERROR: tarball not found for package:"
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2022-07-22 20:15:09	heng	can't we use checkpkg if PKGDEST and SRCDEST are different? .. sorry asking this simple questions
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2022-07-22 20:30:23	Vorpal	Is there a way to tell what CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS etc from makepkg.conf a specific package was built with?
2022-07-22 20:32:00	Vorpal	there seems to be a .BUILDINFO in each package, but that specific info is missing
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2022-07-22 20:56:25	colo	ftr, you can make gcc records its compilation switches in a special section in ELF files it built, using -frecord-gcc-switches
2022-07-22 20:56:29	colo	record*
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2022-07-22 21:18:28	jonas-w	is there a viable alternative to apt-listchanges for pacman?
2022-07-22 21:19:56	MrElendig	jonas-w: there is a changelog flag but none of the arch packages actually include a changelog
2022-07-22 21:20:15	MrElendig	jonas-w: and most of the commit messages are useless too :p
2022-07-22 21:20:33	Betal	jonas-w: usually you will need to check upstream changelog
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2022-07-22 21:21:26	jonas-w	MrElendig: mhm yes i installed pacolog and the changelog is something like "heftig comitted" and so on
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2022-07-22 21:22:07	jonas-w	MrElendig: it's not essential but i love to do everything from the terminal and manually searching for the changelogs is just...
2022-07-22 21:24:46	ℹ 	MrElendig es conocido ahora como lb9di
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2022-07-22 21:28:20	teraflops	when you perform 60 or 70 commits a day the commit messages are like fuck another commit
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2022-07-22 21:29:36	gehidore	that's why I stopped doing code
2022-07-22 21:29:38	mpan	jonas-w: logs are commits in a git repo. You can clone the repo and use `git log` to see the log.
2022-07-22 21:29:46	gehidore	well commit messages anyways :P
2022-07-22 21:29:51	burakcank	Hi, I am using dual boot windows 11 with arch. I need to expand my disk space. Would shrinking spare windows space and allocating it for arch work ? Currently I shrinked the windows 40gbs, and now I need to add it to arch. Here is my partitioning https://i.imgur.com/oQ3Mt2w.png
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2022-07-22 21:30:32	Betal	burakcank: would need to create another partition
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2022-07-22 21:30:57	lb9di	burakcank: backup everything: delete the swap, move the partition forward, add swap back in if needed
2022-07-22 21:31:03	mpan	jonas-w: not that they are useful for tracking upstream changes, but since you asked about terminal… you do not need to use the web version.
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2022-07-22 21:31:18	lb9di	backup is not optional
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2022-07-22 21:31:46	jonas-w	lb9di: swap shouldn't need a backup?
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2022-07-22 21:32:08	burakcank	I can probably turn off swap before backing up ?
2022-07-22 21:32:23	lb9di	jonas-w: no, but his all on one / would
2022-07-22 21:32:24	teraflops	you have to delete it actually
2022-07-22 21:32:33	lb9di	all in one*
2022-07-22 21:32:54	teraflops	swap partition is in the middle of free space and the linux partition
2022-07-22 21:33:02	lb9di	gparted can move partitions "forward", but its unsafe as fuck, so backup is mandatory
2022-07-22 21:33:16	jonas-w	burakcank: you would need to move linuxswap and the ext4 after the sda3 and then you have the allocated space after the and then you can expand the ext4
2022-07-22 21:33:29	jonas-w	burakcank: as lb9di said backup!
2022-07-22 21:33:42	gehidore	backups are for squares
2022-07-22 21:33:46	burakcank	Sure I will definitely backup okaaay okay :D
2022-07-22 21:33:58	jonas-w	i never backup my drives and yolo the shit out of it, and luckily never lost data but wouldn't recommend
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2022-07-22 21:34:07	teraflops	burakcank: ;)
2022-07-22 21:34:17	lb9di	one alternative if the data can fit is to make a new partition over the free space + what was swap, move everything over, test that it works, then remove the old / and expand the new one
2022-07-22 21:34:34	burakcank	So it comes down to repartitioning the drive and mounting the correct parts to correct locations ?
2022-07-22 21:34:37	lb9di	and there is of course the "but a second drive" solution :p
2022-07-22 21:34:42	jonas-w	oh and i resized and moved my encrypted partitions without backup and never had problems but i guess you should do backups 
2022-07-22 21:34:44	lb9di	buy*
2022-07-22 21:34:45	gehidore	there's a reason I always have non root partitions at the end of the drive
2022-07-22 21:35:15	lb9di	too bad lvm wasn't used, then it would have been simple
2022-07-22 21:35:19	teraflops	having lvm makes kife easier
2022-07-22 21:35:24	Betal	!backup
2022-07-22 21:35:24	teraflops	life^
2022-07-22 21:35:24	phrik	There are only two kinds of people: Those who make backups, and those who will make backups.
2022-07-22 21:35:25	burakcank	gehidore, yeah well not everyone is as remarkable as you. no offence :P
2022-07-22 21:35:50	jonas-w	burakcank: and if you start loving linux you will probably ditch windows ;)
2022-07-22 21:36:04	burakcank	I just use windows for gaming tbh. Nothing else
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2022-07-22 21:36:12	Betal	gehidore: same reason I prefer to have efi/boot in the end of disk
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2022-07-22 21:36:35	jonas-w	oh well okay, i don't game on my laptop so never had that issue
2022-07-22 21:37:24	jonas-w	lb9di: how would this be solved with lvm?
2022-07-22 21:37:51	lb9di	jonas-w: make new partition, pvcreate it, add it to the vg, grow the lv
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2022-07-22 21:39:16	burakcank	I would like to ask another thing btw. I heard there are people out there carrying their /home with them. So if I had /home (can I separate it in my current situation ?), when I mount my home on a fresh install, would everything look like usual home ??
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2022-07-22 21:39:59	jonas-w	lb9di: even if the space isn't next to the ext4?
2022-07-22 21:40:10	Betal	jonas-w: the pv can be another disk too
2022-07-22 21:40:11	lb9di	jonas-w: lvm doesn't care about that
2022-07-22 21:40:36	jonas-w	burakcank: yes you would need to create a new partition mkfs.ext4 on it then log in as a root user to not fuck up your current home
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2022-07-22 21:40:49	jonas-w	burakcank: and then move everything in /home to the new partition
2022-07-22 21:40:58	jonas-w	add the new partition to fstab as mountpoint /home
2022-07-22 21:41:06	jonas-w	and mount it and there you go
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2022-07-22 21:41:10	Betal	lvmraid might care if you try to raid in same disk
2022-07-22 21:41:34	lb9di	can lvmraid partitions on the same disk, just doesn't make much sense :p
2022-07-22 21:41:35	jonas-w	lb9di: for real? i had problems with this just the other day, where there was space available but it wouldn't let me expand it...
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2022-07-22 21:42:08	Betal	lb9di: last time I tryed it didn't wanted to, can't remember if warning or error
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2022-07-22 21:45:23	jonas-w	burakcank: sure but keep in mind in your home folder you will never be able to store more than 40 gigs (in your case)
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2022-07-22 21:46:26	Betal	some people will recommend to have /home on ssd too, else DE might be slow
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2022-07-22 21:46:58	lb9di	yes, don't put your dotfiles on a spinner
2022-07-22 21:46:59	gehidore	might be slow for first load of things but once they're in memory
2022-07-22 21:47:05	gehidore	put it all on the ssd
2022-07-22 21:47:13	Betal	mouting specific directories /home/user/{Downloads,...} is also an option
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2022-07-22 21:47:32	lb9di	$HOME on ssd /home/"art" on spinner, or similar
2022-07-22 21:47:41	burakcank	I will copy it back to my ssd, just wanted to do it right and backup only the necessary stuff.
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2022-07-22 21:48:03	lb9di	or even better, put the spinners in a nas
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2022-07-22 21:49:50	burakcank	ok let me timeshift this little boy in case of ducking up, and we will make it a bigger boy, hopefully..
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2022-07-22 22:06:37	ℹ 	temperate es conocido ahora como heat
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2022-07-22 22:31:18	susi	in systemd-analyze critical-chain, dnsmasq and NetworkManager are the culprits, but is there really anything I could do about it?
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2022-07-22 22:42:19	lb9di	depends on what you are doing with them
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2022-07-22 22:45:09	susi	NM is my network manager, dnsmasq acts as a cache for stubby
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2022-07-22 22:47:08	heng	i'm following https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel/Arch_Build_System , extra-x86_64-build halts with "install: cannot stat 'arch/x86/boot/bzImage': No such file or directory" .. is there something i miss?
2022-07-22 22:47:09	phrik	Title: Kernel/Arch Build System - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-22 22:57:01	susi	this is systemd-analyze's output: https://0x0.st/ojAB.txt
2022-07-22 22:57:15	susi	do you think there's anything to do about those dnsmasq and NM?
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2022-07-22 22:59:42	jonas-w	susi: idk but NM and dbus are also read for me
2022-07-22 23:00:14	bloodfart69	How do I remove additional key signatures from a kernel image? I am manually signing db keys to three of my kernels and one of them already has a key that is not needed
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2022-07-22 23:02:52	bloodfart69	nvm I got it lol
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2022-07-22 23:38:15	post-factum	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/75402
2022-07-22 23:38:16	phrik	Title: FS#75402 : [jami-qt] latest opendht update broke it (again?) (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-23 11:25:46	mikebutash	Buttsauce, a pacman -Syu and now rebooting every other day.  Anyone else seeing the craptastic?
2022-07-23 11:26:48	mikebutash	I updated over the weekend, like the 3rd time I've hard to hard reboot from a lock under kde and both wayland or x11
2022-07-23 11:29:30	mikebutash	Just about to start building a new laptop with arch, if my old build isn't stable, I'm loathe to rebuild on new if it's in a rough patch.
2022-07-23 11:30:00	evilop	try something that isn't kde
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2022-07-23 11:30:04	evilop	(also read logs)
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2022-07-23 11:31:37	mikebutash	I wish I liked other de's.  
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2022-07-23 11:32:07	mikebutash	kde annoys me in many ways, but sadly remains most usable for me
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2022-07-23 11:32:42	mikebutash	I haven't seen this utter instability in a while, and logs don't say much from what I'm seeing
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2022-07-23 11:32:48	mikebutash	seems like a hard lock
2022-07-23 11:32:48	evilop	clearly not when its crashing all the time :p
2022-07-23 11:33:02	evilop	test with xfce or something and see if the lockups still happens
2022-07-23 11:33:10	mikebutash	just when I hit a bad upgrade
2022-07-23 11:33:20	mikebutash	it's been a while 
2022-07-23 11:33:41	mikebutash	then it's like "ok guys, what did you screw up now..."
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2022-07-23 11:34:13	mikebutash	my last uptime was like 6 months
2022-07-23 11:34:26	mikebutash	since this upgrade, like a day
2022-07-23 11:34:58	mikebutash	because it's hard locked 3 times since
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2022-07-23 12:28:32	tomty89	probably frozen screen (and cursor)?
2022-07-23 12:28:49	tomty89	I bet it's some kind of gpu driver regression :P
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2022-07-23 12:31:05	Vorpal	mikebutash: do you have another computer that you can use to ssh into the locked up computer? Would help figure out if it is just the graphics that are hung or if it is lower level than that
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2022-07-23 12:33:50	mikebutash	I do, but it's usually at a bad time, and just rebooted.  third time's the charm, if this is to be the norm, I'll dig into this some.
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2022-07-23 12:34:46	mikebutash	This is just my main box, so it fubar's me when it gets wonky.
2022-07-23 12:34:51	Vorpal	mikebutash: also, yeah try a different DE. Try switching between X and wayland
2022-07-23 12:35:42	mikebutash	well, both are dying so far, I upgraded and tried wayland last weekend, but after 2 crashes went back to x, and then it crashed like a day later too
2022-07-23 12:35:58	Vorpal	nvidia? amd? intel?
2022-07-23 12:36:11	HuntsMan	look at the system log after the crash, gather some information, so far you only have people guessing
2022-07-23 12:36:12	mikebutash	hybrid, yay me!
2022-07-23 12:36:16	Vorpal	ah
2022-07-23 12:36:39	Vorpal	also yeah, check journalctl for the previous boot after a hang and see if there is anything there
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2022-07-23 12:36:48	Vorpal	(journalctl -b -1 I believe)
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2022-07-23 12:36:53	mikebutash	I'm not forcing wayland to use the nvidia gpu, so I think it's mostly using intel
2022-07-23 12:36:56	Vorpal	and check the previous X log
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2022-07-23 12:37:55	mikebutash	I tend to game lately too using it with prime-run, so that's tickling the gpu too.
2022-07-23 12:37:58	Vorpal	do you use optimus-manager from AUR to manage which GPU is in use or? It annoys me that there isn't a good way to handle this in the default repos
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2022-07-23 12:38:08	Vorpal	ah so running in hybrid mode
2022-07-23 12:38:16	Vorpal	yeah, never had great luck with that
2022-07-23 12:38:24	Vorpal	I tend to run in pure intel or pure nvidia mode
2022-07-23 12:38:27	mikebutash	me either, it's been working the past year or so
2022-07-23 12:38:29	Vorpal	tends to be more stable
2022-07-23 12:38:33	mikebutash	pretty solid too
2022-07-23 12:38:36	mikebutash	finally
2022-07-23 12:38:42	Vorpal	otherwise it tends to crash on suspend/resume for me
2022-07-23 12:38:55	mikebutash	it's a 7th gen intel xps15
2022-07-23 12:39:10	mikebutash	nvidia 1050 on it too
2022-07-23 12:39:17	mikebutash	so wonky, yes
2022-07-23 12:39:46	mikebutash	I just disregarded the gpu for most of its life, it doesn't even work right under windoze.
2022-07-23 12:40:32	mikebutash	kwin tends to bite ass under intel gpu rendering on this, I don't force reverse prime mode on it
2022-07-23 12:40:48	mikebutash	but I run 3x 4k displays too
2022-07-23 12:41:08	mikebutash	built-in plus 2x more 4k tv's via thunderbolt dock
2022-07-23 12:41:33	mikebutash	oddly it's quite stable past few years
2022-07-23 12:42:40	mikebutash	but hell, I haven't even kicked on no man's sky to kick the gpu's arse, and it's just dying using desktop features normally
2022-07-23 12:43:15	NetSysFire	anything in youso what about your journal?
2022-07-23 12:43:31	NetSysFire	dammit my ctrl u didnt go through but you know what i mean
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2022-07-23 12:44:48	mikebutash	sadly last boot aged out now, after the third kick to the head, I'll catch it and look next time
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2022-07-23 12:45:18	mikebutash	was hoping they were isolated, but seems not
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2022-07-23 12:45:37	Vorpal	that must be a very small journal
2022-07-23 12:45:42	Vorpal	or very filled up one
2022-07-23 12:46:03	Vorpal	I still have logs from may around, and I set the limit to a modest 150 MB
2022-07-23 12:46:26	mikebutash	a very filled up one, I have something logging verbosely to it too right now
2022-07-23 12:46:41	Vorpal	that doesn't sound great
2022-07-23 12:46:43	NetSysFire	the journal is limited to 4 gb or 20% of the fs, whatever is the smallest
2022-07-23 12:47:02	Vorpal	NetSysFire: yes, which i find is way too large, so I decreased it to 150 MB
2022-07-23 12:47:22	Vorpal	also is it not 20% of free space?
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2022-07-23 12:47:39	mikebutash	I've not had to debug the kernel and os for a while now, I'll have to situate to do so
2022-07-23 12:48:21	mikebutash	why I always hate upgrading arch, it's a box of chocolates, never know what sort of brown stain you'll end up with.
2022-07-23 12:49:18	NetSysFire	!grab mikebutash
2022-07-23 12:49:18	phrik	NetSysFire: Tada!
2022-07-23 12:49:30	mikebutash	I've still not recovered my sound from the last -Syu update, won't mix the devices properly.
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2022-07-23 12:50:37	Vorpal	mikebutash: have you considered going back? I use btrfs with snapper, which makes such a downgrade very easy to perform (a tiny bit more involved if it involves the kernel, as /boot needs to be dealt with too then
2022-07-23 12:51:01	Vorpal	might help you figure out when exactly it broke
2022-07-23 12:51:04	NetSysFire	!give Vorpal aw debugging regressions
2022-07-23 12:51:05	phrik	Vorpal: Debugging regressions - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debugging_regressions
2022-07-23 12:51:12	mikebutash	I don't snapshot, so not particularly attractive a proposition.
2022-07-23 12:51:28	NetSysFire	if you find one, the most sensible thing is to debug it right away if you can spare the time
2022-07-23 12:51:43	Vorpal	NetSysFire: true, you can do it without snapper too, snapper just helps make it easier
2022-07-23 12:52:05	NetSysFire	plus you get credits for being helpful™
2022-07-23 12:52:10	mikebutash	Last time arch broke this bad it nuked my desktop on an upgrade, never really did recover it and shot that system in the head.
2022-07-23 12:53:00	mikebutash	At least this boots, for a day or so at a time at least now.
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2022-07-23 12:54:15	NetSysFire	fun fact: odds are that its technically not even arch related because arch stays as vanilla (upstream) as possible usually
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2022-07-23 12:55:44	mikebutash	well, I do shit no one does, like run 3x 4k/60 desktops, tons of vms in a ton of ram, etc, but normally I'm quite stable.
2022-07-23 12:56:25	mikebutash	sometimes linux and I hit a rough patch, bitch gets uppity.
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2022-07-23 12:57:02	mikebutash	after 20 years I can't hate it too much.
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2022-07-23 13:14:01	DF32	I been having this doubt for quite some time. I created a gpg key to use pass (password manager). Why do `gpg --list-keys` and `gpg --list-secret-keys` don't output the public and private key respectively and both only output the same fingerprint?
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2022-07-23 13:15:59	DF32	I'm probably missing some concepts here, but if anyone could clarify would be nice
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2022-07-23 13:18:24	MacGyver	You always identify "the key" by the public fingerprint.
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2022-07-23 13:19:13	MacGyver	A PGP key is much, much more than the cryptographic key itself.
2022-07-23 13:19:59	MacGyver	It's basically a certificate linking identity and multiple (public) keys together.
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2022-07-23 13:20:26	MacGyver	--list-secret-keys tells you for which those certificates you have corresponding private keys.
2022-07-23 13:20:40	MacGyver	which of those*
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2022-07-23 13:21:32	MacGyver	If you want to see the actual full key in some machine-readable format, you need a variant of --export.
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2022-07-23 13:22:00	MacGyver	However, be very careful where you leave exported secret keys.
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2022-07-23 13:25:25	castleard	hi dear arch experts. I have some issues with hibernation on my arch laptop (lenovo thinkpad t14s). namely, hibernation works *sometimes* - other times, when I do "systemctl hibernate", it only turns off the wifi and freezes for like 2 seconds, then everything is back up and running. I haven't really found any systematic reason for this yet, but it seems like I can only hibernate once - then I
2022-07-23 13:25:25	castleard	need to restart before it works 
2022-07-23 13:25:25	castleard	again.
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2022-07-23 13:27:26	kevku	intel deprecated hibernation on newer cpus
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2022-07-23 13:27:52	castleard	btw, @parcimonic[m]: your suggestion of installing displaylink to get my docking station to work did work, so thanks for that!
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2022-07-23 13:28:14	castleard	kevku: but if it was that it would not work at all, no? not just sometimes
2022-07-23 13:28:28	kevku	it only works "sometimes" in windows too
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2022-07-23 13:29:22	castleard	kevku: interesting. so I take it there's nothing I can do about this?
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2022-07-23 13:29:49	kevku	everything new is supposed to use hybrid-suspend
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2022-07-23 13:30:22	castleard	kevku: okay, but suspend has the same issue
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2022-07-23 13:33:07	castleard	kevku: same for suspend-then-hibernate and hybrid-sleep, just tried it
2022-07-23 13:34:18	kevku	search for intel S0ix you will find plenty of rants
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2022-07-23 13:36:39	castleard	kevku: ok, thanks, I'll do my best
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2022-07-23 16:58:08	hiya	artefact: different version isn't working either
2022-07-23 16:58:11	hiya	something is missing
2022-07-23 17:00:51	artefact	i haven't had any luck with appimages i tried a couple of days ago (slic3r/superslicer). i wonder if it's an appimage issue
2022-07-23 17:01:23	jelle	artefact: no flatpak for it?
2022-07-23 17:02:16	artefact	krita appimage works. freecad-asm3 complains about glibc and aborts. so much about being self-contained :-(
2022-07-23 17:02:41	hiya	no flatpak
2022-07-23 17:11:59	grawity	szt: specifically the ones under /sys, not under /dev?
2022-07-23 17:29:25	artefact	if you don't plan on hotplugging the card, tmpfiles.d can do the trick
2022-07-23 17:30:17	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-07-23 17:30:38	artefact	depending on what you're trying to do, you can also get by with nopasswd in sudoers
2022-07-23 17:30:49	artefact	(for the specific commands you're trying to run)
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2022-07-23 17:39:25	yitz	It appears something (I believe in Chrome) is preventing dpms from blanking my screen. Is there any easy way to figure out what/how?
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2022-07-23 19:52:19	jmcantrell	I'm trying to figure out how I should alter my nftables ruleset (with mullvad wireguard vpn activated https://paste.rs/9wY) to allow systemd-nspawn containers to route traffic. Additionally, when the vpn is connected AND a container is running, I lose routing on the host, as well.
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2022-07-23 19:56:04	jpw	jmcantrell: when you say you 'lose routing' do you mean the routing table is cleared out or firewall rules are blocking attempts?
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2022-07-23 19:59:32	jmcantrell	jpw: the routing table is only added to, not cleared. Yes, the better way to describe it would be that the firewall rules added by mullvad-daemon are blocking traffic.
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2022-07-23 20:11:28	jpw	jmcantrell: is that link you posted the nftables in the working or the broken state and please could you provide an example flow that fails. Also does traffic continue to traverse the VPN when the host is in the unresponsive state?
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2022-07-23 20:21:07	yitz	topcat001: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/74856 -- Known/fixed issue apparently; playing YouTube in Chromium disabled dpms.
2022-07-23 20:21:08	phrik	Title: FS#74856 : [chromium] 102.0.5005.61 regression in DPMS screen blanking (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-23 20:21:53	jmcantrell	jpw: That's the ruleset while mullvad is connected (broken state). I'm running an nspawn container with nothing but networkd and resolved enabled like `systemd-nspawn -D /path/to/container --network-zone=blah -b`. When that's running, pinging internet ips like 1.1.1.1 result in "Destination port unreachable" on the host and in the containers. Resolving a hostname in the container results in
2022-07-23 20:21:53	jmcantrell	"resolve call failed: Lookup failed due to system error:
2022-07-23 20:21:53	jmcantrell	Connection refused" and on the host, resolution works correctly. I get an ip and it's comming from the correct source, but curling the name results in "curl: (7) Failed to connect to github.com port 80 after 1 ms: Connection refused". The only way to recover is to kill the container and bounce the vpn connection.
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2022-07-23 20:25:00	jmcantrell	jpw: just to clarify, the "host" in this case is the machine that's running the containers and where the vpn connection lives. I don't think any traffic is traversing the vpn, but i'm not sure how to test that. Maybe ngrep'ing the vpn interface?
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2022-07-23 20:53:14	jmcantrell	 
2022-07-23 20:53:14	jmcantrell	Here's my `ip addr list ; ip route list ; ip rule list` when the container isn't running and everything works https://paste.rs/Aso
2022-07-23 20:53:14	jmcantrell	This is when it's broken https://paste.rs/ZsE
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2022-07-23 21:05:49	docrobot	!paste
2022-07-23 21:05:49	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-07-23 21:16:47	phealy	Hey all, weird problem here. I have an older Dell laptop, XPS 15 (7550). Installed Arch on it (two days ago) from a 2022-07 archiso, running LUKS on an NVMe drive, with just a bare btrfs inside the LUKS container, using the sd-encrypt hook inside a systemd mkinitcpio configuration. I'm using a unified image with EFISTUB to boot a custom-signed image, so secureboot is on. Everything's set up and
2022-07-23 21:16:48	phealy	working almost perfectly, but I have a really strange hang. Occasionally, with no discernable reason why, the system will completely hang during root password entry. It always seems to be after 5-15s; if it doesn't hang by then, it won't hang at all. I suspected keyboard drivers for a while (like the system kicking from USB2->USB3 causing the KB to disconnect), but this laptop uses atkbd, and
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2022-07-23 21:16:50	phealy	even the cursor quits blinking. Setting the UEFI settings from fastboot to thorough boot does seem to have reduced the frequency of it occurring. The system doesn't seem to hang under any other circumstances.
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2022-07-23 21:20:44	phealy	I booted the kernel using debug and logging settings and nothing appears at the time of the hang.
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2022-07-23 21:34:41	docmax	whats the best way to keep settings in sync with all my linux machines? like bash ps1 or other settings?
2022-07-23 21:34:59	docmax	ansible?
2022-07-23 21:35:39	davve	like with programming, the way you are most comfortable with
2022-07-23 21:36:02	docmax	i dont think i know all the ways
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2022-07-23 21:42:52	davve	personally i might make a git repository
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2022-07-23 21:42:52	davve	and do some shell scripting to copy the dotfiles to their proper place
2022-07-23 21:42:52	docmax	ok noted
2022-07-23 21:42:52	jmcantrell	i use a git repo and stow to do the symlinking
2022-07-23 21:42:52	davve	and push changes directly to the repositories and integrate a pull on the computers
2022-07-23 21:42:52	dav1d	git + stow ftw
2022-07-23 21:42:52	docmax	cool
2022-07-23 21:42:52	davve	and pull/merge hook
2022-07-23 21:42:52	⚡ 	davve looks up stow
2022-07-23 21:42:52	davve	neat
2022-07-23 21:42:52	davve	would have figured someone had written something like that:D
2022-07-23 21:42:52	davve	might have to try it out. thanks dav1d 
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2022-07-23 21:42:52	dav1d	davve, there is also a good wiki entry for dotfiles: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dotfiles
2022-07-23 21:42:52	phrik	Title: Dotfiles - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-23 21:42:57	davve	yikes quite a few to chose from
2022-07-23 21:43:02	phealy	docmax: I like atlassian's bare git repo: https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorials/dotfiles
2022-07-23 21:43:02	phrik	Title: How to store dotfiles | Atlassian Git Tutorial (at www.atlassian.com)
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2022-07-23 21:46:25	phealy	(which is also the first entry in the wiki page, now that I look)
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2022-07-23 21:53:02	⚡ 	davve is still reading it
2022-07-23 21:53:23	davve	trying to get to the clever partbut severe case of weekend brain
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2022-07-23 21:55:20	davve	ah okay, so its basically not using normal .git folder and that way wont interfere with any repositories in subdirectories
2022-07-23 21:55:27	davve	thats actually really clever
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2022-07-23 21:56:46	davve	can just use git knowledge to manage it and not have to learn anything new
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2022-07-23 21:57:53	dav1d	davve, pretty meh if you have multiple environemnts/hosts. Currently organizing 3 hosts with git branches and it's just annoying
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2022-07-23 21:59:49	davve	whats annoying about it? :P I use git through emacs + magit so its not that much to type
2022-07-23 22:00:08	davve	i figure pulling could be done by your shell rc file
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2022-07-23 22:01:16	davve	in my case anyway, its just 2 computers and to have a backup+possibility to replicate stuff easier
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2022-07-23 22:01:31	dav1d	davve, merging changes back and forth
2022-07-23 22:01:51	dav1d	the more environment specific stuff you have the worse it gets
2022-07-23 22:01:55	docmax	phealy, thanks
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2022-07-23 22:02:56	davve	yeah, i was gonna ask if they differed... probably not the best scaling solution, but its simple and works for mosts cases I guess
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2022-07-23 22:03:28	davve	you basically end up implementing one of the suggested programs on wiki dotfiles page
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2022-07-23 22:04:32	davve	as an emacs user I am partial to GNU software so might give stow a try instead
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2022-07-23 22:06:04	docmax	i think i should have read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dotfiles first
2022-07-23 22:06:05	phrik	Title: Dotfiles - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-23 22:14:10	davve	yeah stow seems really sane
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2022-07-23 22:20:58	dmc	stow <3
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2022-07-24 11:23:23	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-07-24 11:23:24	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1408 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1407 normals)
2022-07-24 06:52:18	gehidore	I've actually used it twice recently to quickly install on two laptops that were new to me so I could get steam itch and Minecraft going for kids, was somewhat impressed still annoyed it exists
2022-07-24 07:15:51	kode54	I ran into a problem with archinstall, but for different reasons
2022-07-24 07:16:17	kode54	it didn't cater to my weird motherboard's need to be BIOS, yet only work with GPT plus BIOS boot partition drives
2022-07-24 07:41:25	thurstylark	that's fuckin' weird
2022-07-24 08:18:29	kode54	yeah, I dunno
2022-07-24 08:18:37	kode54	I archinstall'd two different SATA SSDs
2022-07-24 08:18:50	kode54	upon reboot, the motherboard's SATA screen locks up probing the drives
2022-07-24 08:19:13	kode54	works no problem if I format them GPT and throw on a BIOS boot partition
2022-07-24 09:44:28	river	damn now my arch linux does not boot
2022-07-24 10:22:10	evilop	kode54: update the firmware
2022-07-24 10:22:20	evilop	if that doesn't help, rma the board
2022-07-24 10:22:41	evilop	(assuming your description of the problem is accurate)
2022-07-24 11:00:49	itosame7	Hello o/
2022-07-24 11:03:03	bittin	hi
2022-07-24 11:03:17	itosame7	what's up :p
2022-07-24 11:04:02	bittin	watching a talk about Debian translations
2022-07-24 11:05:17	itosame7	I wish I could attend a Debian convention... or any Linux convention, they seem fun
2022-07-24 11:05:39	kode54	evilop: it's already on the last firmware from 2010
2022-07-24 11:06:04	kode54	let me RMA a board from 2008
2022-07-24 11:23:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-24 11:42:12	otisolsen70	What package do I need to install in order to get 'mbuffer'?
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2022-07-24 11:47:00	Namarrgon	!give otisolsen70 pacman-file
2022-07-24 11:47:01	phrik	otisolsen70: Find out what package owns a file, even if the package isn't installed. pacman -Fy <file> (similar to !pkgfile)
2022-07-24 11:47:09	Namarrgon	if that fails then check the AUR
2022-07-24 11:48:08	otisolsen70	Namarrgon, gives nothing...
2022-07-24 11:48:18	otisolsen70	I am on systemrescuecd and trying to install mbuffer....
2022-07-24 11:48:28	Namarrgon	if it's not in the AUR either then you're on your own
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2022-07-24 11:48:39	Namarrgon	systemrescuecd is also not arch and we don't support it here
2022-07-24 11:48:41	otisolsen70	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mbuffer <- this is it
2022-07-24 11:48:44	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - mbuffer (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-07-24 11:48:56	otisolsen70	This is the first time I am on arch. I dont know how to add this.
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2022-07-24 11:48:57	kode54	what the heck is mbuffer
2022-07-24 11:48:59	otisolsen70	I am normally on debian
2022-07-24 11:49:02	Namarrgon	this isn't arch
2022-07-24 11:49:06	Namarrgon	!give otisolsen70 aw aur
2022-07-24 11:49:07	phrik	otisolsen70: Aur - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Aur
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2022-07-24 11:49:13	Namarrgon	good luck
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2022-07-24 11:49:37	colo	kode54, commonly used to speed up applications writing to tape
2022-07-24 11:49:48	otisolsen70	colo, yes, and over network
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2022-07-24 11:53:03	evilop	kode54: move to norway, we have 5 years protection
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2022-07-24 11:53:05	evilop	:p
2022-07-24 11:53:38	kode54	why would that help for a 14 year old device?
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2022-07-24 11:53:59	evilop	misread it as 2018
2022-07-24 11:54:03	evilop	but still better than 0 :p
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2022-07-24 11:54:12	kode54	true
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2022-07-24 11:54:17	evilop	2019*
2022-07-24 11:54:36	kode54	I literally only have one use for it anyway
2022-07-24 11:54:42	kode54	a PCI sound card
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2022-07-24 12:12:21	river	i wonder if its graphics
2022-07-24 12:12:59	river	it just freezes at /dev/sda6 234324/2342344 files 23234/324324 blocks
2022-07-24 12:13:15	river	it just freezes at /dev/sda6: clean, 234324/2342344 files, 23234/324324 blocks
2022-07-24 12:13:17	river	that part
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2022-07-24 12:18:32	Yukkuri	hi, is it possible to resume interrupted build with yay, basically call makepkg -e on existing src directory?
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2022-07-24 18:50:12	ℹ 	stoffepojken_ es conocido ahora como stoffepojken
2022-07-24 18:50:23	chazy	i've used systemd wait online and other services in the past but i remember having problems with the unit file not waiting for certain addresses to be set, is there a way to specify in the unit file the interface and that at least one specific address is up? for example the interface normally has a local nat ipv4 address, but i want the unit to wait for a global ipv6 ip as well, is there a way
2022-07-24 18:50:25	chazy	for this?
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2022-07-24 18:51:29	Kilroy	ok, (it is me from yesterday) I screwed up the install drive and I used the CP command and it is giving me that error again
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2022-07-24 19:05:40	LiveWire	Been trying to figure out if i switched something, been doing this for a long time. If I do a pacman -Syu, and it fails for some reason, then i go to do it again, it redownloads all the packages that it already had downloaded.
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2022-07-24 19:10:09	gehidore	2 computers installed on the same day via archinstall script landed with multilib-testing AND multilib enabled; I never use testing so I find it humorous
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2022-07-24 19:21:06	river	how do you choose which nvidia drivers are used?
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2022-07-24 19:34:51	artefact	usually you install one and/or blacklist the other
2022-07-24 19:35:17	artefact	!give river aw nvidia
2022-07-24 19:35:19	phrik	river: Nvidia - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Nvidia
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2022-07-24 20:35:16	Zetta1Reid0	I tried to update today and i get signature from "David Runge <dvzrv@archlinux.org>" is marginal trust . Invalid or Corrupted package. Am I the only 1 affected ?
2022-07-24 20:37:36	artefact	pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Syu
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2022-07-24 21:01:48	B-|	hello, isn't /etc/ssl/certs/ for certificate authorities? why does https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/UW_IMAP#SSL use it for a server spftware certificate?
2022-07-24 21:01:50	phrik	Title: UW IMAP - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-24 21:02:17	B-|	the file has 600 permissions
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2022-07-24 21:05:27	B-|	also is jami working for anyone else
2022-07-24 21:06:32	B-|	also is the email requirement for this channel necessary?
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2022-07-24 21:07:39	evilop	wat
2022-07-24 21:08:09	ponies	B-|: im ok with that being there 
2022-07-24 21:08:25	evilop	this channel does not require an email
2022-07-24 21:08:30	B-|	it does
2022-07-24 21:08:32	evilop	(nickserv does, but you can use a temp one)
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2022-07-24 21:08:33	ℹ 	tam1m_ es conocido ahora como tam1m
2022-07-24 21:08:37	B-|	hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
2022-07-24 21:08:42	B-|	then i'm stupid
2022-07-24 21:08:47	evilop	but you can get in here without registering too
2022-07-24 21:08:51	B-|	how?
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2022-07-24 21:09:35	evilop	by asking for an excemption, you would need a really good reason though
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2022-07-24 21:10:23	B-|	:/
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2022-07-24 21:10:52	evilop	on freenode we used to have some semi-automation for it, but the low usage didn't really justify porting that to libera
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2022-07-24 21:11:29	evilop	as for why we have the channel +r, its because it *massively* cuts down on the spambots
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2022-07-25 17:28:13	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-07-25 17:28:13	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1437 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1436 normals)
2022-07-25 17:17:27	nij-	Hello! My laptop started having trouble staying online this morning. I'm sure it's my laptop's fault, because all other device at home were unaffected. Plus, everytime I reboot, my laptop is fine online.
2022-07-25 17:18:16	nij-	To reproduce, I hop onto some website (e.g. online board game website). It heats up my laptop, and connection is lost.
2022-07-25 17:18:37	nij-	`nmtui` still indicates I'm connected to the home router, but it cannot get access to the internet from there.
2022-07-25 17:19:51	merced	nij-: is there a correlation between the laptop temperature and when the connection dies?
2022-07-25 17:20:07	nij-	The laptop isn't so hot. I just noticed the heat.
2022-07-25 17:20:25	nij-	But yeah, I can sense that whenever it has hardtime computing, it could kill the connection.
2022-07-25 17:20:40	merced	old laptop i assume?
2022-07-25 17:20:51	nij-	It's lenovo x220, quite old indeed.
2022-07-25 17:21:29	nij-	I'm actually thinking of getting a stabler laptop. Happy to take suggestions on which one. I mainly use arch, so it'd be nice if it goes well with arch.
2022-07-25 17:21:33	merced	it doesn't sound like a software issue to me, have you tried a liveCD and see if it has the same behavior?
2022-07-25 17:21:50	merced	i'm on this ancient toshiba with arch, and it works great
2022-07-25 17:22:04	merced	pretty much any laptop you get should be compatible
2022-07-25 17:22:21	MacGyver	remline: Keep linux and linux-lts installed, have one of them (and its headers) in IgnorePkg, make sure to have a manual process to move that backup up every once in a while too.
2022-07-25 17:22:21	nij-	Yeah it's been great. Just started this morning. I guess perhaps it's because I've upgraded something, which fails to handle such situation and causes the connectoin to stale.
2022-07-25 17:22:38	MacGyver	remline: That being said, I've only rarely needed that setup.
2022-07-25 17:22:43	remline	My /etc/fstab (generated by the arch installer) has carriage returns in it. Should I be concerned or scandalized?
2022-07-25 17:23:00	merced	nij-: yeah try doing a liveCD and see if it's related to that upgrade
2022-07-25 17:23:31	merced	remline: you should be ostracized
2022-07-25 17:23:42	nij-	merced.. hmm it's really about the upgrade, it'd be hard to fix too. Maybe I just need to get a better hardware.
2022-07-25 17:24:21	remline	MacGyver: Thanks, I agree that it should be rarely needed. Perhaps not even worth worrying about it. I am simply used to the Ubuntu setup so was a bit surprised to not have a 'backup' kernel.
2022-07-25 17:24:33	remline	merced: Yes, that too!
2022-07-25 17:24:45	merced	nij-: yep new hardware is prolly your best bet lol - but if you want to try things in the meantime :P
2022-07-25 17:25:05	MacGyver	remline: The kernel *rarely* has bootability issues nowadays once the hardware is supported.
2022-07-25 17:25:07	nij-	:/ fantasy with x220 has faded xD
2022-07-25 17:25:16	nij-	any recommendation?
2022-07-25 17:25:26	MacGyver	remline: So keeping a separate backup around isn't worth it for most usecases.
2022-07-25 17:25:40	merced	nij-: framework laptops are great
2022-07-25 17:25:43	remline	MacGyver: Yes, and I have pretty new hardware, so I'm not 100% sure the 5.15 LTS supports everything.
2022-07-25 17:25:44	MacGyver	remline: The fact we don't have versioned kernels is going to bite you in another way more noticable way, however.
2022-07-25 17:26:00	nij-	merced you've used it? i heard it's still got lots of edges
2022-07-25 17:26:12	MacGyver	remline: Whenever you upgrade the kernel, you *must* reboot as soon as possible, because you won't have kernel modules around for the *running* kernel.
2022-07-25 17:26:15	remline	merced: I'm half wondering if the carriage returns are cuasing Jul 25 06:59:33 archlinux systemd-fstab-generator[256]: Mount point  is not a valid path, ignoring.
2022-07-25 17:26:17	merced	yea my partner got one, it's pretty nice
2022-07-25 17:26:27	merced	remline: yep that would give you that error lol
2022-07-25 17:26:32	MacGyver	remline: Otherwise you'll notice things like newly inserted USB devices not working, etc.
2022-07-25 17:26:36	merced	nij-: depends on your budget
2022-07-25 17:26:45	MacGyver	remline: Basically anything that needs a kernel module (re-)loaded won't be possible.
2022-07-25 17:26:50	MacGyver	remline: Something to keep in mind.
2022-07-25 17:27:04	remline	MacGyver: Great point! Thanks for the heads up.
2022-07-25 17:28:13	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-07-25 17:28:22	nij-	merced which model would you recommend?
2022-07-25 17:28:27	nij-	suppose budget is no issue
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2022-07-25 17:29:00	merced	nij-: i saw a really nice laptop on hackernews, but i bookmarked it on my work laptop
2022-07-25 17:29:05	merced	and my work laptop is out of commission lol
2022-07-25 17:29:29	◣	docmax__ (~docmax@dynamic-077-006-176-128.77.6.pool.telefonica.de) ha salido (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2022-07-25 17:29:37	merced	looks like the next gen framework is in preorder still
2022-07-25 17:30:17	remline	merced: I'm a bit surprised I don't see a bug related to fstab carriage returns. Perhaps I'm not checking the correct bug list?
2022-07-25 17:30:43	merced	remline: tbh i have no idea how your fstab got CRLF, i just did a fresh install of arch the other day and my fstab is LF
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2022-07-25 17:31:21	merced	maybe you found a bug
2022-07-25 17:31:40	remline	merced: Very curious. I wouldn't think the guided installer would cause it, but who knows?
2022-07-25 17:31:42	◣	manti7 (~manti7@176.10.104.94) ha salido (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2022-07-25 17:32:07	merced	unless you edited the file in a windoze environment /shrug
2022-07-25 17:32:16	teraflops	is there a kind of RHEL's needs-restarting but for arch?
2022-07-25 17:32:21	◣	martian67 (~martian67@user/martian67) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-07-25 17:32:21	remline	merced: Definitely not. Haven't touched windows in years. :p
2022-07-25 17:32:38	xeyler	could I use a custom archinstall profile to automate installing arch onto an external drive?
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2022-07-25 17:33:16	nij-	merced or should I just switch to debian -- feels more stable, isn't it?
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2022-07-25 17:33:38	merced	nij-: meh i used to be all debian but i switched to arch last year, never looked back
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2022-07-25 17:33:52	nij-	sometimes I thought maybe switching to macos is ok.. especially my connection problem made me late in a business meeting this morning
2022-07-25 17:34:05	merced	oof :(
2022-07-25 17:34:07	nij-	merced what's the drawback of debian?
2022-07-25 17:34:22	lolok	xeyler sure you can, but if youre actually asking if it exists already, no
2022-07-25 17:34:23	merced	nuffin, it's all linux
2022-07-25 17:34:23	nij-	I've only been on archlinux
2022-07-25 17:34:28	teraflops	apt dist upgrade?
2022-07-25 17:34:40	merced	i like the arch ecosystem and community a lot more
2022-07-25 17:34:48	merced	the debian community is... whats the word
2022-07-25 17:34:52	merced	too smug
2022-07-25 17:34:56	lolok	debian is great for servers
2022-07-25 17:35:10	lolok	too old for desktop use
2022-07-25 17:35:11	merced	arch has been the smoothest desktop experience ive had in my life
2022-07-25 17:35:27	nij-	what's really non-smooth in debian, comparing to arch?
2022-07-25 17:35:51	merced	idk i have a tendency to completely bork my display drivers
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2022-07-25 17:36:05	merced	or bork X or bork things on upgrades
2022-07-25 17:36:14	lolok	updating sid is sometimes risky
2022-07-25 17:36:31	teraflops	my experience with distros that uses releases are that in most cases people do not upgrade to the next release, they keep the servers in the original release for years till they have to reinstall all the stuff 
2022-07-25 17:36:32	lolok	upgrading stable is safe but can be a bitch
2022-07-25 17:36:44	merced	teraflops++
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2022-07-25 17:37:05	nathan	I stopped using debian/ubuntu because new versions of flash player took too long to be available 
2022-07-25 17:37:12	teraflops	heh
2022-07-25 17:37:14	nij-	teraflops  that sounds scary
2022-07-25 17:37:17	merced	lol flash
2022-07-25 17:37:24	teraflops	nij-: it is scary and risky
2022-07-25 17:37:25	lolok	idk i do in place upgrades with debian stable on servers and only problem is that it takes more time than i like to spend on ssh
2022-07-25 17:37:45	nij-	teraflops  what if there are many things to fix........
2022-07-25 17:37:53	nij-	it won't be possible to fix it one by one..
2022-07-25 17:38:03	◣	kescher (~kescher@orre.kescher.at) ha salido (Quit: Bye)
2022-07-25 17:38:06	lolok	apt will walk you thru it
2022-07-25 17:38:18	lolok	just takes time
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2022-07-25 17:38:29	teraflops	i'd like enterprise linux distros would have a rolling release for servers as well
2022-07-25 17:38:36	nij-	how about.. macos?
2022-07-25 17:38:43	teraflops	for server?
2022-07-25 17:38:47	◣	Mete- (~quassel@177.84.235.217) ha salido (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
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2022-07-25 17:39:05	nij-	daily use, business meeting, video watching .. etc
2022-07-25 17:39:19	teraflops	ah, it's fine I do macos in my laptop
2022-07-25 17:39:20	nij-	I can't afford being late again :(
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2022-07-25 17:39:31	teraflops	it just works
2022-07-25 17:39:42	nij-	people've been telling me that the package management there is a mess
2022-07-25 17:39:58	lolok	again, debian is rolling, my game server sits on the same spot in the same partition as it did when in wheezy
2022-07-25 17:39:58	teraflops	I use brew, before I used macports
2022-07-25 17:40:03	susi	there's one big issue - it's a product by Apple
2022-07-25 17:40:12	susi	that's why I would never even consider using it
2022-07-25 17:40:25	teraflops	lolok: imo debian sid is way more unstable than arch linux
2022-07-25 17:40:30	nij-	susi I thought so.. and then I need to be on time with my meeting :'(
2022-07-25 17:40:31	lolok	this is true
2022-07-25 17:40:42	merced	tbh i like my macbook
2022-07-25 17:40:49	lolok	but you can upgeade stable is what im saying
2022-07-25 17:40:50	merced	but it gets obsolete within a few macOS releases
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2022-07-25 17:41:00	lolok	just they get all the updates at once instead of trickle out
2022-07-25 17:41:09	merced	my 2017 MBP is basically unusable now
2022-07-25 17:41:17	teraflops	too much patchwork downstream becasue the freeze releases
2022-07-25 17:41:36	merced	and dont get me started on Xcode
2022-07-25 17:41:37	nij-	merced why ?? 2017 was just 5 years ago!
2022-07-25 17:41:38	teraflops	it's more elegant just upgrade the package to the next stable release
2022-07-25 17:41:45	merced	nij-: capitalism
2022-07-25 17:41:56	nij-	merced damn they deliberately ditch it?
2022-07-25 17:42:09	merced	google "planned obsolecense"
2022-07-25 17:42:14	merced	apple is notorious for it
2022-07-25 17:42:23	nij-	My wife is using a macbook back in ~2016 too.. usable but she only uses it for gmail and hulu.
2022-07-25 17:42:24	merced	that said, i loved the experience with my MBP
2022-07-25 17:42:24	lolok	teraflops for your desktop, yea, for your server, no, you want it to just work with minimal effore and downtime
2022-07-25 17:42:30	Deadly_Alive	can't install bootcamp on new macbooks anymore
2022-07-25 17:42:33	lolok	effort*
2022-07-25 17:43:07	Deadly_Alive	which is a shame since macbook pros are well built laptops
2022-07-25 17:43:09	merced	nij-: and my friends absolutely love the M2's
2022-07-25 17:43:12	merced	yeaa
2022-07-25 17:43:15	teraflops	nij-: macbook pro m1 here, it performs great
2022-07-25 17:43:21	tpr	merced: tbf, apple provides longer support at least on some products than its competitors. if you are unlucky, your android phone vendor may not ever release new major releases to you :P
2022-07-25 17:43:39	merced	tpr: true that. i love my apple crap otherwise
2022-07-25 17:43:55	⚡ 	lolok still waiting on pinephone or librem to make sense
2022-07-25 17:44:03	teraflops	lolok: that's true as well
2022-07-25 17:44:21	teraflops	I meant the uptime
2022-07-25 17:44:41	lolok	new packages are fun on desktop but work on servers
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2022-07-25 17:47:00	teraflops	lolok: the orogonal pinephone can handle phosh with lot of lag and plasma… nah it cannot move plasma mobile. the cpu is a joke
2022-07-25 17:47:16	teraflops	original^
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2022-07-25 17:47:48	domino14	KDE almost just ruined my life, apparently the clock at the bottom right doens't run unless that desktop is active
2022-07-25 17:47:59	teraflops	heh
2022-07-25 17:48:00	domino14	so it was showing a time like 20 mintues before the actual time. does anyone know about this
2022-07-25 17:48:16	merced	LOL
2022-07-25 17:48:21	merced	seriously
2022-07-25 17:48:22	teraflops	go sue them ;)
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2022-07-25 17:48:40	teraflops	idk to be honest, I do gnome
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2022-07-25 17:49:13	another|	domino14: which clock? in the systray?
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2022-07-25 17:49:18	lolok	i dont care about plasma, i just need it to be able to make and take calls texts and mms, and apparently firmware for the cellular cards isnt there...
2022-07-25 17:49:44	teraflops	lolok: I own a pinwphone and as a phone it works 100%
2022-07-25 17:49:52	domino14	@another| yeah the clock in the panel at the bottom
2022-07-25 17:49:59	remline	nathan: I stopped using ubuntu because they turned firefox into a snap package. :'(
2022-07-25 17:50:02	teraflops	calls sms' gps mail
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2022-07-25 17:50:41	another|	domino14: that's the first I hear about it. though I keep my panel at the top
2022-07-25 17:50:53	lolok	when did you get it? i havnt looked in a while, is it a newer model teraflops?
2022-07-25 17:50:53	domino14	i made it show seconds and now it's going back and forth between 11:50:43 AM and 11:50:44 AM
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2022-07-25 17:51:22	teraflops	lolok: more than a year ago the 3GB model and I can assure you it does phonecalls and sms properly
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2022-07-25 17:51:48	lolok	sweet ill be getting one soon then
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2022-07-25 17:52:34	lolok	teraflops wait sms is that mms too like picture and group messages?
2022-07-25 17:52:48	teraflops	i think so but I never tried it
2022-07-25 17:53:38	lolok	i send more pictures than i care to admit...
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2022-07-25 17:57:22	teraflops	https://i.arxius.io/9a952f58.png lolok
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2022-07-25 18:09:14	jkc	remedan: They did that for good reason. The packaging process they use doesn't work well for things that get frequent updates, like browsers.
2022-07-25 18:09:14	lolok	teraflops how you like it generally? good battery life? any known problems?
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2022-07-25 18:10:18	artefact	is that kde plasma mobile? very cool
2022-07-25 18:10:27	teraflops	battery life is meh, in general the phone is ok for daily use 
2022-07-25 18:10:48	teraflops	but i's look at the pro model it has more power and battery
2022-07-25 18:10:52	teraflops	I'd^
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2022-07-25 18:17:07	teraflops	artefact: it was phosh based on gnome
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2022-07-25 18:17:19	teraflops	there is plasma mobile and it looks stunning btw
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2022-07-25 18:49:15	river	anyone else have their linux stop booting recently? my guess due to nvidia
2022-07-25 18:49:28	MacGyver	river: Many, many people.
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2022-07-25 18:49:35	MacGyver	river: If it's the expected issue, adding ...
2022-07-25 18:49:46	MacGyver	Something along the lines of ibt=off
2022-07-25 18:49:56	MacGyver	Should fix it. Give me a minute to find the exact issue.
2022-07-25 18:49:59	jelle	is that still an issue :o
2022-07-25 18:50:15	MacGyver	jelle: It's nvidia.
2022-07-25 18:50:19	MacGyver	jelle: Of course it's still an issue.
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2022-07-25 18:50:25	jelle	MacGyver: I thought the arch package was patched
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2022-07-25 18:51:09	MacGyver	river: https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules/issues/256
2022-07-25 18:51:28	MacGyver	river: Try if adding ibt=off to your kernel cmdline fixes the issue, basically.
2022-07-25 18:51:48	river	awesome thank you so much
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2022-07-25 18:52:49	MacGyver	jelle: Urgh I can never find the patch file sources when looking for them.
2022-07-25 18:53:04	jelle	I can't find a patch
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2022-07-25 18:54:37	MacGyver	https://github.com/archlinux/linux/commits/v5.18.14-arch1 commit messages don't reference nvidia or ibt in any case.
2022-07-25 18:55:20	jelle	MacGyver: nah I thought the nvidia pkg was patched
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2022-07-25 19:01:05	river	ah damn unfortunately that did not have an effect for me
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2022-07-25 19:01:36	river	i get stuck at the bit where is says sda6: clean 25234/2342344, 2342/234234 
2022-07-25 19:01:38	river	if you know the bit i mean
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2022-07-25 19:02:39	MacGyver	Uh. That sounds like an ongoing filesystem check.
2022-07-25 19:02:56	MacGyver	Are those numbers changing?
2022-07-25 19:03:03	river	no they're stuck, it freezes
2022-07-25 19:03:04	grawity	that looks like fsck.ext4 finished and the rest of the system is starting quietly
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2022-07-25 19:03:26	river	well ill try leaving it running for longer, to double check
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2022-07-25 19:06:13	MacGyver	Do you have more than one display output hooked up to the system?
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2022-07-25 19:14:15	acegallagher	hey. so i want to source some community knowledge
2022-07-25 19:15:11	acegallagher	i'm looking to build a simple mostly headless server that can present GUI windows if attended but otherwise just chunks away on data. what's the lightest/simplest/best window manager for that these days? 
2022-07-25 19:15:29	acegallagher	old me would have said install fluxbox/openbox and get on with it. but i'm curious if anything new meets the same need
2022-07-25 19:15:57	acegallagher	but i don't want to spend days trying them out. is budgie buggy? light?
2022-07-25 19:16:08	grawity	go with one of the classics
2022-07-25 19:16:25	grawity	like openbox or pieces of xfce4 (like just xfwm4 and maybe the panel)
2022-07-25 19:16:30	Namarrgon	budgie? the DE?
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2022-07-25 19:18:38	grawity	I don't think i3 vs openbox vs xfwm vs ... matters much, they all do so little in comparison to the rest of the system
2022-07-25 19:18:51	grawity	like, nearly all the drawing is on the apps
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2022-07-25 19:19:22	grawity	compositing vs not, might be a slightly bigger difference
2022-07-25 19:19:34	grawity	just don't install a whole ass DE
2022-07-25 19:19:42	acegallagher	i love the tilers, but i'm concerned about usability. which openbox can be pretty transparent
2022-07-25 19:19:51	acegallagher	trust me. hate DEs. i thought budgie was a WM
2022-07-25 19:20:13	acegallagher	occasionally i have to send science techs out to the site and it's nice to say "right click on the desktop and open..."
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2022-07-25 19:23:18	acegallagher	i won't be installing windows
2022-07-25 19:23:30	acegallagher	;O
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2022-07-25 19:24:18	grawity	https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95
2022-07-25 19:24:19	acegallagher	seems like openbox is best
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2022-07-25 19:25:41	paperbenni	Is there a way to send pull requests to an AUR package?
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2022-07-25 19:26:18	grawity	yeah, if you mean emailing the maintainer with "hi please pull branch X from https://url"
2022-07-25 19:26:29	grawity	there's no github though
2022-07-25 19:27:05	paperbenni	Ah. I thought maybe it was using gitlab in the background or as a mirror
2022-07-25 19:27:39	paperbenni	Guess I'll do the oldschool way
2022-07-25 19:28:10	grawity	technically there's a gitlab, but so far even the main repos haven't gone there yet, much less aur
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2022-07-25 19:30:36	fluix	!paste
2022-07-25 19:30:36	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-07-25 19:33:26	river	damn
2022-07-25 19:33:40	river	i went to the shops and came back and it was still stuck there, so it wasn't just a long fsck
2022-07-25 19:33:52	river	yeah I have 2 displays
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2022-07-26 17:12:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
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2022-07-26 13:43:57	Foxboron	very_sneaky: there are several emails on the list I believe
2022-07-26 13:54:45	baltazar	hi! is there a way to tell linux not to allocate a specific page of physical memory?
2022-07-26 13:55:09	baltazar	my laptop seems to have an issue where a specific address gets corrupted when the integrated gpu is in use
2022-07-26 13:56:35	baltazar	(I'm not entirely sure whether it's a hardware issue or an i915 bug)
2022-07-26 13:58:52	Gagis	there has at least been some third party utility that tells kernel to reserve and never touch some memory addresses but I have no idea if any have been in development for years
2022-07-26 14:00:07	Gagis	oh, theres a proper way to do it nowadays: https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/html_node/badram.html
2022-07-26 14:00:08	phrik	Title: GNU GRUB Manual 2.06: badram (at www.gnu.org)
2022-07-26 14:01:21	baltazar	hmm, do you know if there's a way to do this without grub? I'm using systemd-boot
2022-07-26 14:03:14	Gagis	yeah you should be able to pass it as a kernel parameter but i have no idea what the syntax is
2022-07-26 14:03:39	baltazar	I guess I'll look into how grub does it
2022-07-26 14:03:48	baltazar	thanks Gagis 
2022-07-26 14:04:26	dav1d	baltazar, https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.9/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html ctrl+f memmap
2022-07-26 14:04:26	phrik	Title: The kernel’s command-line parameters — The Linux Kernel documentation (at www.kernel.org)
2022-07-26 14:04:47	dav1d	untested, now idea how it works, just a little bit of googling and looking through the list
2022-07-26 14:04:52	dav1d	s/now/no/
2022-07-26 14:06:34	baltazar	dav1d: cool, I'll try that
2022-07-26 14:07:17	Gagis	one example I saw had syntax to the tune of memmap=5M$0x2f796c48 where 5M is how much to block around the address and 0x2... is the address given by memtest
2022-07-26 14:07:22	dav1d	baltazar, gl, curious on how the param looks when you figure it out
2022-07-26 14:07:46	Gagis	I have no idea if you need to escape $ in systemd-boot syntax. something to look out for
2022-07-26 14:09:17	Gagis	baltazar, this seems relevant https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/86804
2022-07-26 14:09:18	phrik	Title: linux - How to blacklist a correct bad RAM sector according to MemTest86+ error indication? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2022-07-26 14:09:36	xyproto	makechrootpkg stopped working when bash was replaced with Oil shell / osh, because of "declare -i ret=0". I guess that ends my adventures of trying to replace bash and sh with just osh on a spare system. It was fun to give it a shot, though.
2022-07-26 14:33:03	Porkepix	Hi, a question if anyone would have an idea about this: I've got a headset that did work great on my arch for a very long time, but recently I noticed that when plugged in (jack), despite a new microphone being detected as plugged in Alsa/pacontrol and the mic level changing, it only seems to get microphone sound from the laptop's internal microphone (touching headset microphone doesn't change
2022-07-26 14:33:04	Porkepix	levels while knocking the laptop does), have anyone an idea of what's going wrong there?
2022-07-26 14:33:28	Porkepix	(I already tried tinkering around alsa/pulseaudio, but definitely not an expert there)
2022-07-26 14:48:46	baltazar	all right, I'm pretty sure it worked so thanks a lot dav1d, Gagis 
2022-07-26 14:56:30	Gagis	cheers!
2022-07-26 15:14:45	user9d	FREDMEYER.COM IS DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2022-07-26 15:17:21	AiO	hm... what's up with this? error: libcap: signature from "David Runge <dvzrv@archlinux.org>" is marginal trust
2022-07-26 15:17:45	Scimmia	AiO: update archlinux-keyring first
2022-07-26 15:19:48	AiO	:( sorry... obviously - tired
2022-07-26 15:33:23	Metroid	you need to write yourself a bot for these keyring questions Scimmia ;)
2022-07-26 15:35:31	nl6720	there's a factoid for that already
2022-07-26 15:35:32	nl6720	!fixkeyring
2022-07-26 15:35:33	phrik	Your keyring issue would be probably fixed by: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
2022-07-26 15:38:09	nl6720	there's also !signature with a slightly different text
2022-07-26 15:40:08	BrainDamage	the most common ones get written in the topic, but nobody reads that anyway
2022-07-26 15:40:40	nl6720	there's a topic?!
2022-07-26 15:40:50	Metroid	!topic
2022-07-26 15:40:50	phrik	Metroid: Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org
2022-07-26 15:40:54	Metroid	ha 
2022-07-26 15:41:18	Metroid	didn't know there was a status page
2022-07-26 15:41:39	Metroid	99.994% Last 90 days , pssh
2022-07-26 15:47:21	nij-	I'm still having problem connecting to internet. After every reboot, the connection is fine. But whenever there's a sudden upload/download (e.g. watching a youtube video, or pushing my git commit), the connection fails. I need to reboot my computer again.. anyways that I can trouble shoot?
2022-07-26 15:48:10	Strykar	Any TUs or devs who use the Sopel (https://archlinux.org/packages/community/any/sopel/) package? Seems Felix is too loaded to update it, and I can't update it since it fails due to a dependency that is actually installed
2022-07-26 15:48:15	Namarrgon	nij-: what is in the journal when this happens?
2022-07-26 15:50:16	AiO	Metroid: :)
2022-07-26 15:51:20	Strykar	jelle, foutrelis or eschwartz, any chance one of you might have the time to take a look at it :)
2022-07-26 15:51:29	nij-	Namarrgon  journal contains a lot of stuff.. `journalctl --since"24 hours ago"`
2022-07-26 15:51:42	nij-	I first noticed this around 24 hours ago.
2022-07-26 15:52:09	nij-	(it has 27k lines)
2022-07-26 15:56:53	nij-	Oh, there's a line that says "iwlwifi transaction failed, dumping registers"
2022-07-26 15:57:24	nij-	And then > Jul 26 07:16:31 nij kernel: iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: Error sending STATISTICS_CMD: enqueue_hcmd failed: -5
2022-07-26 16:02:29	nij-	Hmm.. `journal | grep "iwlwifi transaction"` shows that it starts around yesterday, so I think this is the right message to look at!
2022-07-26 16:06:48	Strykar	I have no idea why the build fails, initially I thought it might have to do with python-xmltodict but now I'm not so sure - https://bpa.st/VNOA
2022-07-26 16:06:49	phrik	Title: View paste VNOA (at bpa.st)
2022-07-26 16:10:51	nij-	I'm on Linux 5.18.14. Switching to lts now. Reboot, and see you later. (Thanks Namarrgon for leading me.)
2022-07-26 16:16:03	Repentinus	Strykar, try building with --nocheck and see if the resulting package actually works.
2022-07-26 16:17:58	nij-	Hmm.. so far so good. We will see..
2022-07-26 16:32:09	Repentinus	Strykar, and something is up with python-xmltodict: 7.1.9 requires xmltodict <= 0.12.0, but Arch ships 0.13.0 and during check 0.12.0 is fetched via pip for you.
2022-07-26 16:37:47	Strykar	Repentinus: thanks, it does build with --nocheck, trying to see if it will run
2022-07-26 16:39:15	Repentinus	If it does, consider patching requirements.txt to use 0.13.0. Based on the changelog <https://github.com/martinblech/xmltodict/blob/v0.13.0/CHANGELOG.md>, I expect it to be compatible.
2022-07-26 16:40:35	nij-	Boy, finally I'm connected again. So switching to lts didn't help.
2022-07-26 16:40:51	nij-	Error message from journalctl: termbin.com/ylti
2022-07-26 16:41:57	Repentinus	nij-, check if linux-firmware was updated on your system before the error appeared.
2022-07-26 16:42:02	nij-	I play an online board game, whose site was terribly written. Everytime I played there, I sensed the clunckiness of the site.
2022-07-26 16:42:13	Repentinus	If yes, revert to the previous version in your package cache and check if that resolves the issue.
2022-07-26 16:42:27	nij-	So going onto that website almost surely will reproduce this problem for me. 
2022-07-26 16:46:32	nij-	Repentinus  from pacman's log, the latest upgrade of linux-firmware was on July 17 (roughly 9 days ago).
2022-07-26 16:46:48	nij-	But this problem only started showing up since July 25. 
2022-07-26 16:47:09	Repentinus	Did you reboot between July 17 and July 25?
2022-07-26 16:48:36	nij-	:O You're right! I didn't reboot between July 17 14:53 to Jul 24 12:29
2022-07-26 16:48:51	nij-	Hmm ok.. now lemme see how to downgrade linux-firmware.
2022-07-26 16:49:14	Repentinus	ls /var/lib/pacman/cache or whatever the dir was
2022-07-26 16:49:58	Repentinus	Then pacman -U linux-firmware-$previous_version_blah_blah
2022-07-26 16:50:17	Repentinus	And then reboot or rmmod and modprobe iwlwifi.
2022-07-26 16:50:48	nij-	Oops, I only see one version of linux-firmware. Perhaps I have cleaned the cache.
2022-07-26 16:51:38	Repentinus	https://archive.archlinux.org/packages/l/linux-firmware/
2022-07-26 16:51:39	phrik	Title: Index of /packages/l/linux-firmware/ (at archive.archlinux.org)
2022-07-26 16:51:53	Repentinus	You can -U the url for the version you want.
2022-07-26 16:52:24	nij-	Ok, now I'm back to the older version.
2022-07-26 16:52:39	nij-	Reboot now, and see if it's ok? 
2022-07-26 16:52:50	Repentinus	So now you need to reload the iwlwifi module. rmmod iwlwifi and modprobe iwlwifi should do it.
2022-07-26 16:53:01	Repentinus	If not, reboot will.
2022-07-26 16:53:34	Strykar	Repentinus: xmldict is defo the issue: "sopel[7150]: pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: The 'xmltodict==0.12' distribution was not found and is required by sopel"
2022-07-26 16:54:07	nij-	I will try rebooting. Thank you, Repentinus!
2022-07-26 16:54:17	Repentinus	Yeah, try patching the requirements.txt to 0.13.0 and rebuilding, Strykar.
2022-07-26 16:54:50	Repentinus	If it works then, you can just file an issue with upstream asking them to >= 0.12.0.
2022-07-26 17:03:43	Strykar	Repentinus: upstream only supports installation via pip, and the issue is xml2dict -  SnoopJ │ because 0.12 was the latest when that line was written, probably  xnaas │ and/or 0.13 has a change that breaks something for Sopel, and/or no one has taken the time to test/verify 0.13 doesn't break anything? :P
2022-07-26 17:05:42	Repentinus	Sure, but you can make a patch, check locally, and then tell them it works with 0.13.0 too (or not, as the case may be).
2022-07-26 17:06:16	Strykar	aye, doing that now
2022-07-26 17:08:42	Strykar	bingo, downgrading to 0.12 works! Even if built with 0.13, which is weird af
2022-07-26 17:12:31	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-26 18:01:02	Porkepix	Hi, a question if anyone would have an idea about this: I've got a headset that did work great on my arch for a very long time, but recently I noticed that when plugged in (jack), despite a new microphone being detected as plugged in Alsa/pacontrol and the mic level changing, it only seems to get microphone sound from the laptop's internal microphone (touching headset microphone doesn't change
2022-07-26 18:01:03	Porkepix	levels while knocking the laptop does), have anyone an idea of what's going wrong there?
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2022-07-26 18:25:50	lolok	Porkepix you mean pavucontrol i assume? did you ever check the 'recording' tab? you can reassign what programs use which input there
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2022-07-26 18:27:46	Porkepix	lolok: Yes I mean pavucontrol, and no I didn't because from the last time I had an issue when I wanted to do my tests I just based myself on Gnome's sounds preferences pane and on alsa/pulseaudio programs to check my sound; therefore no specific program needing the audio
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2022-07-26 18:30:52	nij-	My internet connection is healthy again after I downgrade linux-firmware :))))))))))))))))))) Thanks!
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2022-07-26 18:31:30	nij-	But why would that work? Is there some bug in linux-firmware? Should I not upgrade them so often, if I want stability?
2022-07-26 18:31:42	nij-	In general, are there some packages that I should pin for stability, besides linux-firmware?
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2022-07-26 18:33:56	evilop	https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-No-Firmware-Breakage
2022-07-26 18:33:57	phrik	Title: Linux Laying Out Guidelines To Avoid Kernel Updates Breaking Firmware Compatibility - Phoronix (at www.phoronix.com)
2022-07-26 18:34:03	evilop	bha too late
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2022-07-26 18:34:16	linuxuser	hello, how can i copy files to only archie user on archiso and no other users like archie2?
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2022-07-26 18:35:53	lolok	nij- yes, this is most likely a bug somewhere, pls do a report if you can. for stability just keep 1 or 2 older versions of packages around so you can downgrade? if thats unacceptable, maybe another distro? i cant define 'stable' for you, you have to decide for yourself whats important.
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2022-07-26 18:37:44	teraflops	linuxuser: I read several times your message and yet idk what you mean
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2022-07-26 18:38:23	linuxuser	teraflops: i want to copy files only to one user in archiso, not for all users from etc/skel
2022-07-26 18:38:49	linuxuser	*not for all created by archiso
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2022-07-26 18:39:34	Betal	how I can add a 2nd screen in libvirt/virt-manager and see it as 2nd window?
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2022-07-26 18:41:37	nij-	MrElendig ?
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2022-07-26 18:42:22	evilop	relevant to "nij- │ But why would that work? Is there some bug in linux-firmware? Should I not upgrade them so often, if I want stability?"
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2022-07-26 18:56:17	linuxuser	i need to copy files to archie user directory in archiso
2022-07-26 18:56:23	linuxuser	how can i do it?
2022-07-26 18:56:58	evilop	sounds like a xyproblem
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2022-07-26 18:57:05	evilop	but the way to do that is to make a custom iso
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2022-07-26 18:57:59	linuxuser	how can i do it in custom iso created by archiso?
2022-07-26 18:58:08	evilop	what is the actual problem?
2022-07-26 18:58:29	linuxuser	i need to copy xfce config to the /home/archie in the archiso
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2022-07-26 18:58:40	evilop	why?
2022-07-26 18:58:45	evilop	the arch iso doesn't have X so..
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2022-07-26 18:59:12	linuxuser	i'm going to create custom arch iso that will contain gparted etc
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2022-07-26 18:59:39	evilop	why not do a normal install to the usb stick?
2022-07-26 18:59:59	evilop	other than that https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Archiso#Adding_files_to_image
2022-07-26 19:00:00	phrik	Title: Archiso - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-26 19:11:24	losth1ghway	does anyone know what the arch equivalent of ifconfig usb0 192.168.15.201 && ssh root@192.168.15.244 would be?
2022-07-26 19:11:57	losth1ghway	fwiw, i'm trying to get root ssh access to an amazon kindle -- need to gain access first over usb
2022-07-26 19:12:20	evilop	losth1ghway: man ip
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2022-07-26 19:12:52	evilop	or use whatever network manager you are using
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2022-07-26 19:13:39	evilop	https://baturin.org/docs/iproute2/
2022-07-26 19:13:40	phrik	Title: Task-centered iproute2 user guide — Daniil Baturin (at baturin.org)
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2022-07-26 19:21:42	lolok	losth1ghway you can get ifconfig on arch, to search which package owns a file thats not on the system, `pacman -F[y] ifconfig`
2022-07-26 19:22:45	evilop	you should not use ifconfig
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2022-07-26 19:23:51	lolok	ifconfig is a frontend to the kernel networking stack, yes its depricated so it wont get new features, but there is no reason not to use it if it does what you need
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2022-07-26 19:24:04	evilop	lolok: it lies to you and does the wrong thing
2022-07-26 19:24:08	evilop	there is no reason to use it
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2022-07-26 19:24:23	lolok	if you already know how it works thats not a problem
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2022-07-26 19:24:36	lolok	and that is a reason to use it
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2022-07-26 19:28:48	Tom^	its only 13 years since ifconfig was deprecated
2022-07-26 19:28:54	Tom^	lol
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2022-07-26 19:30:18	mefistofeles	Tom^: sounds like a baby product in the UNIX world :P I'll give it another 15
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2022-07-26 19:30:53	dagle	To be fair, for most things ifconfig still works.
2022-07-26 19:31:20	evilop	until you want an alias or more than one ip on an interface
2022-07-26 19:31:25	evilop	or vlan
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2022-07-26 19:31:51	mefistofeles	evilop: now you are just making stuff up
2022-07-26 19:31:52	mefistofeles	:P
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2022-07-26 19:32:33	Tom^	heck the deprecation was before systemd was introduced
2022-07-26 19:32:53	mefistofeles	before the times of our lord and savior systemd
2022-07-26 19:33:06	susi	s/systemd/Poettering/
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2022-07-26 19:35:18	lolok	you say 'our' but he works at microsoft now so...
2022-07-26 19:36:00	lolok	to be clear im not recommending new users learn ifconfig, but if someone gonna come here and ask where 'ifconfig' is, at least tell them how to find it lol
2022-07-26 19:36:38	susi	you should tell them it's not 90's anymore
2022-07-26 19:36:53	lolok	that would be just mean
2022-07-26 19:37:35	lolok	if it was in the aur i could get the shit talking, but its in core repo, so...
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2022-07-26 19:38:23	mefistofeles	lolok: well, Linux is mostly owned (the word they use is funded but we know it's ownership) by MS anyways :P
2022-07-26 19:39:29	lolok	well they 'funded' apple in the 90s too and that worked out well for them so im not even mad
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2022-07-26 19:40:31	NoImNotNineVolt	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation#Funding
2022-07-26 19:40:31	phrik	Title: Linux Foundation - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2022-07-26 19:40:43	susi	>Apple
2022-07-26 19:40:46	susi	please no cursing in here
2022-07-26 19:40:49	NoImNotNineVolt	mefistofeles: wikipedia appears to contradict that claim
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2022-07-26 19:41:17	ℹ 	cdown_ es conocido ahora como cdown
2022-07-26 19:41:21	mefistofeles	NoImNotNineVolt: ok, I was joking, btw
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2022-07-26 19:41:34	⚡ 	NoImNotNineVolt is autistic
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2022-07-26 19:44:34	evilop	intel have generally been the most profilic company in the later kernel releases, but don't remember who has the largest part of the copyright overall
2022-07-26 19:45:05	mefistofeles	I think Oracle is the largest contributor these days
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2022-07-26 19:45:28	NoImNotNineVolt	that's concerning.
2022-07-26 19:45:35	NoImNotNineVolt	given how much oracle sucks ass, i mean.
2022-07-26 19:45:43	evilop	https://lwn.net/Articles/887559/
2022-07-26 19:45:44	phrik	Title: A look at some 5.17 development statistics [LWN.net] (at lwn.net)
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2022-07-26 19:45:50	evilop	last one published that I could find
2022-07-26 19:45:56	lolok	switching to openbsd
2022-07-26 19:48:07	mefistofeles	https://lwn.net/Articles/895800/ 
2022-07-26 19:48:07	phrik	Title: Statistics from the 5.18 development cycle [LWN.net] (at lwn.net)
2022-07-26 19:48:07	NoImNotNineVolt	lol, oracle pumping out tiny changesets
2022-07-26 19:48:07	mefistofeles	but I read another article saying it was oracle, but I guess we should trust lwn more
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2022-07-26 19:49:31	evilop	lots of intel code in ,18 and .19 due to their dgpus and 13th gen intel
2022-07-26 19:49:44	NoImNotNineVolt	i915>*
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2022-07-26 19:51:01	NoImNotNineVolt	actually, does their dgpu stuff run on i915?
2022-07-26 19:51:24	NoImNotNineVolt	i haven't paid attention since i915/gvt-g got merged in circa 4.0ish
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2022-07-26 20:10:10	txtsd	What's a good way to encrypt/decrypt a 10GB+ folder relatively quickly? I currently use openssl to do it but it takes way too long.
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2022-07-26 20:12:02	rxfh	txtsd: i would maybe makes a file-based luks filesystem and dump the data in there
2022-07-26 20:12:20	teraflops	does it have to be portable?
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2022-07-26 20:12:53	txtsd	rxfh: Good idea, but I'm not keen on making a new filesystem to hide sensitive data. It'll be obvious that it's sensitive data.
2022-07-26 20:12:57	txtsd	teraflops: How do you mean?
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2022-07-26 20:13:17	teraflops	as in you copy to a usb drive and open it elsewhere (other machine or OS)
2022-07-26 20:13:47	txtsd	teraflops: Oh. I don't plan on moving it, but I don't want to it suddenly be un-openable later in life.
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2022-07-26 20:14:10	rxfh	well, it's not a filesystem. like dd a new file named swap.img or something, then create luks structure on top of that, an image file
2022-07-26 20:14:14	teraflops	then I think rxfh suggestion is good
2022-07-26 20:14:15	txtsd	My current solution is tar + openssl, but it's not fast enough. And idk if anything will be faster.
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2022-07-26 20:15:09	txtsd	rxfh: That doesn't sound bad at all. Any specific resources I should be looking at to implement this?
2022-07-26 20:15:52	rxfh	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_a_non-root_file_system#File_container i think thats what youre looking for if you go that route
2022-07-26 20:15:53	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Encrypting a non-root file system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-26 20:16:09	rxfh	thats just how i'd do it, there are probably better ways (i find the way i do stuff is often not the best way ;) )
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2022-07-26 20:17:02	rxfh	i like it cuz its just a file you can scp around (when not mounted) and not a filesystem that shows up in some kind of scanning tool
2022-07-26 20:17:02	teraflops	txtsd: maybe take a look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Data-at-rest_encryption
2022-07-26 20:17:04	phrik	Title: Data-at-rest encryption - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-27 17:06:21	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1418 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1417 normals)
2022-07-27 13:24:59	alwyn	Is there a graphical tool to view keyboard layouts/keymaps and variants? I'm having some troubles with the configuration of this particular keyboard (a specific Logitech MX Keys, other MX Keys seem to work fine for some reason)
2022-07-27 13:25:34	alwyn	Problem example: I'm getting | instead of tilde, \ instead of backtick
2022-07-27 13:35:04	wunit	alwyn: if in X11, you could use xev to check the keycode
2022-07-27 13:36:02	wunit	on my keyboard here, I've got backtick/tilde on 49, and backslash/vertbar on 51 - maybe that keyboard has "miswired" it somehow
2022-07-27 13:39:39	alwyn	I can't even find tilde lol
2022-07-27 13:41:21	Strykar	alwyn: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Keyboard_input#Identifying_keycodes_in_Xorg
2022-07-27 13:41:22	phrik	Title: Keyboard input - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-27 13:42:03	alwyn	I've tried that before, is there a good way to filter xev's output? There's so much info
2022-07-27 13:42:25	Strykar	the example there shows you how to fulter xev's output
2022-07-27 13:43:35	alwyn	Oh, derp!
2022-07-27 13:47:56	alwyn	https://0x0.st/ojY3.jpg
2022-07-27 13:48:18	alwyn	It seems the button left of 1 and left of Z are swapped or something
2022-07-27 13:48:22	alwyn	I never use the latter
2022-07-27 13:48:24	alad	opt/start :O
2022-07-27 13:48:34	alwyn	~ but at least I have my tilde now
2022-07-27 13:50:06	alwyn	alad: ikr?! It gets really confusing which one to use for what
2022-07-27 14:29:21	edgy	Hi, There are packages-doc and packages-docs, shouldn't this be standardized and agreed upon one name?
2022-07-27 15:19:42	charlie5	hi all ... does anyone know if pacstrap has changed in the last few days ?
2022-07-27 15:23:16	gehidore	charlie5 https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commits/packages/arch-install-scripts/trunk
2022-07-27 15:26:08	charlie5	hmm, so that's a 'no' :) ... thanks gehidore
2022-07-27 15:46:28	jdarnley	Is there any command line tool that will show me the memory layout of a system?  Specifically DIMMs and slots populated.
2022-07-27 15:47:17	Repentinus	dmidecode or lshw
2022-07-27 15:52:10	jdarnley	thanks dmidecode was satisfactory
2022-07-27 16:07:32	zeewark	hello out there, I have an issue with pacstrap. after invoking pacstrap chroot/ base, I got this output: https://pastebin.com/V7cjvS5H
2022-07-27 16:07:33	@EMIYA_	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/ojgu.txt
2022-07-27 16:07:34	phrik	Title: ==> Creating install root at chroot/==> Installing packages to chroot/:: Syn - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-07-27 16:08:10	zeewark	there is something odd with the dev directory within the chroot environment
2022-07-27 16:08:39	zeewark	cannot get umount at the end of the pactrap script
2022-07-27 16:09:07	zeewark	this is a new bug/feature?
2022-07-27 16:09:31	river	whats the script
2022-07-27 16:12:52	Scimmia	there's a bug report for arch-chroot about htat
2022-07-27 16:12:53	Scimmia	that
2022-07-27 16:15:11	savolla	hey all o/
2022-07-27 16:16:10	charlie5	zeewark: i have almost the same problem (which is why i asked if pacstrap had changed lately
2022-07-27 16:17:18	charlie5	after a pacstrap to /mnt has completed, i try to arch-chroot into /mnt and get something like 'udev on /mnt/dev is already mounted'
2022-07-27 16:18:00	charlie5	if i explicitly unmount /mnt/dev, then arch-chroot is happy
2022-07-27 16:18:37	Scimmia	charlie5: and if you'd actually asked about the problem, we could have pointed you to it
2022-07-27 16:18:52	charlie5	heh, spent several hours trying to figure out what i had changed in the past 2 days to cause the prob :)
2022-07-27 16:20:14	charlie5	Scimmia: yes, i suppose i could have mentioned the specific problem :/
2022-07-27 16:20:22	charlie5	s/could/should
2022-07-27 16:20:36	zeewark	this is the script: https://pastebin.com/bJS7mQje but it has no further meaning
2022-07-27 16:20:37	@EMIYA_	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/ojgL.txt
2022-07-27 16:20:37	phrik	Title: #!/bin/bash CHDIRNAME="chroot" if [[ $EUID -ne 0 ]] thenecho "This - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-07-27 16:21:14	zeewark	the main issue is pacstrap, so I try it to put in umount chroot/dev and see
2022-07-27 16:21:15	Scimmia	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/75378
2022-07-27 16:21:16	phrik	Title: FS#75378 : [arch-install-scripts] arch-chroot 25.2 no longer working as expected from 24.2 (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-07-27 16:22:17	charlie5	zeewark: umount /mnt/dev worked for me
2022-07-27 16:22:26	charlie5	Scimmia: thanks
2022-07-27 16:31:53	Scimmia	a quick scan through the commits, I'm guessing Forty-Bot broke it
2022-07-27 16:32:11	Forty-Bot	hm?
2022-07-27 16:32:20	Forty-Bot	oh fun
2022-07-27 16:42:28	Cairn	I'm having trouble understanding libinput for my trackpoint. I've made a quirks file in /etc/libinput, and I can type libinput quirks list --data-dir /etc/libinput /dev/input/event17 and get back the value I've added
2022-07-27 16:42:51	Cairn	But when I remove that --data-dir flag, it won't recognize the input I've added. It reverts to the default.
2022-07-27 16:42:56	Cairn	https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/trackpoint-configuration.html
2022-07-27 16:42:57	phrik	Title: Trackpoint configuration — libinput 1.21.0 documentation (at wayland.freedesktop.org)
2022-07-27 16:46:15	Porkepix	Hi, a question if anyone would have an idea about this: I've got a headset that did work great on my arch for a very long time, but recently I noticed that when plugged in (jack), despite a new microphone being detected as plugged in Alsa/pacontrol and the mic level changing, it only seems to get microphone sound from the laptop's internal microphone (touching headset microphone doesn't change
2022-07-27 16:46:16	Porkepix	levels while knocking the laptop does), have anyone an idea of what's going wrong there?
2022-07-27 16:48:31	Forty-Bot	zeewark: what's in your /dev?
2022-07-27 16:48:52	Forty-Bot	also: are you pacstrapping to a real mount point or a directory?
2022-07-27 16:51:51	zeewark	charlie5: umount chroot/dev works for me as well, thank you. I was distracted so I aswer just now. But it worked right away
2022-07-27 16:52:53	Forty-Bot	zeewark: can you try adding "sleep 1" to then end of your script?
2022-07-27 16:54:56	zeewark	Forty-Bot: in my chroot/dev is almost the whole /dev-nodes
2022-07-27 16:55:20	Forty-Bot	no I mean specifically the output of "ls /dev"
2022-07-27 16:55:34	Forty-Bot	perhaps you have something in there which I didn't account for
2022-07-27 16:57:08	vitali64	Forty-Bot: are you a bot?
2022-07-27 16:57:14	Forty-Bot	beep boop
2022-07-27 16:58:03	zeewark	Forty-Bot: in chroot/dev I have no libvirt directory, but by comparing the content of these 2 directories with meld, they are simmilar
2022-07-27 16:59:15	zeewark	for what purpose the "sleep 1" ?
2022-07-27 17:00:03	zeewark	I pacstrapping to just a directory, no mountpoint
2022-07-27 17:00:11	zeewark	I confess
2022-07-27 17:01:48	Forty-Bot	zeewark: if I do something like "sudo arch-chroot root mount" I get "umount: /path/to/root/proc: target is busy" at the end
2022-07-27 17:02:08	Forty-Bot	so perhaps Linux has not yet noticed that the mount is no longer in-use
2022-07-27 17:04:13	zeewark	I guess is part of the pacstrap script, that at some point this directory is treadted as a mountpoint, but the umount is skipped or is done in a wrong order, so that it's still needed?
2022-07-27 17:04:53	Forty-Bot	please try adding a sleep and let me know the results
2022-07-27 17:06:22	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-07-27 17:07:26	zeewark	by the way, when I try to remove the whole chroot, after running the whole script, I get the messages cannot remove chroot/dev/{mqueue,hugepages,pts,shm} Device or resource is busy
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2022-07-27 17:08:22	zeewark	sleep after the pacstrap? it works now with "umount chroot/dev"
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2022-07-27 17:13:27	Forty-Bot	zeewark: no, sleep at the end of your script
2022-07-27 17:14:38	Forty-Bot	the other error is because you have to umount the shm and pts dirs before /dev
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2022-07-27 17:20:44	Forty-Bot	can you paste chroot_commands.sh as well?
2022-07-27 17:31:47	zeewark	everything okay with chroot_commands.sh, after pacstrap chroot/ base I added umount chroot/dev. and this solved the issue, now it works right away :-)
2022-07-27 17:35:30	zeewark	have to reboot, 
2022-07-27 17:47:10	Forty-Bot	zeewark: as noted above, this is only a bodge
2022-07-27 17:47:20	Forty-Bot	I would like to address the root cause
2022-07-27 17:50:46	zeewark	Forty-Bot: the sleep 1 has no further effect, it sleeps at the end of my script for a secpund
2022-07-27 17:50:51	zeewark	secound
2022-07-27 17:51:03	Forty-Bot	did you add it to chroot_commands.sh?
2022-07-27 17:51:44	zeewark	after chroot_commands not within the script
2022-07-27 17:51:50	Forty-Bot	put it in the script
2022-07-27 17:53:19	zeewark	when the problem occur for the first time I commented out the chroot_command.sh, it doesn't play a role here
2022-07-27 17:54:20	Forty-Bot	ok, so this happens in pacstrap?
2022-07-27 17:54:30	zeewark	definitly
2022-07-27 18:07:08	Forty-Bot	zeewark: can you apply this patch to your pacstrap https://paste.debian.net/1248542/ and send me the output?
2022-07-27 18:07:12	phrik	Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)
2022-07-27 18:16:53	Forty-Bot	ugh, and I nuked my /dev accidentally
2022-07-27 18:17:04	alad	repopulate it :OO
2022-07-27 18:18:49	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-27 18:33:47	sorta	Is there any custom repo that provides the latest up to date builds of audacity? I couldn't find any in my searching.
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2022-07-27 18:34:33	alad	why do you need a custom repo for that
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2022-07-27 18:35:54	sorta	I don't want to build audacity or use the appimage, I'd rather just use a binary
2022-07-27 18:36:06	alad	does audacity take 3h to build
2022-07-27 18:36:22	sorta	I don't know, I have not tried it
2022-07-27 18:36:46	river	isnt audacity malware or something?
2022-07-27 18:37:04	barometz	the new owners added some telemetry, is all
2022-07-27 18:37:08	sorta	is it? idk
2022-07-27 18:37:11	barometz	whether that's malware is up to you
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2022-07-27 18:37:19	sorta	I don't care about telemetry
2022-07-27 18:37:22	Strykar	sorta: audacity is a mess, use the fork called Tenacity instead, there's a package in the AUR - https://github.com/tenacityteam/tenacity
2022-07-27 18:38:21	sorta	I did install that but they said it was alpha software and might be unusably unstable. admittedly I have not yet edited any files on it but I think I'd rather just use the latest version. If there is no other option I guess I'll just build
2022-07-27 18:39:01	Scimmia	sorta: what's wrong with installing from Community?
2022-07-27 18:39:25	sorta	it's outdated , ver 1.X while latest is 3.X
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2022-07-27 18:39:37	Scimmia	look again
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2022-07-27 18:39:57	alad	epoch be confusing yo
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2022-07-27 18:40:04	sorta	ah that was a dumb mistake i made
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2022-07-27 18:40:10	Strykar	looks like community/audacity 1:3.1.3-1 (pro-audio)
2022-07-27 18:40:16	sorta	whats the 1: doing there btw?
2022-07-27 18:40:58	Scimmia	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PKGBUILD#epoch
2022-07-27 18:40:59	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-27 19:04:35	Dotz0cat	i3 users, What do you user for a screensaver/screenlocker. 
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2022-07-27 19:05:23	Dotz0cat	I used to use light locker but it broke more often the it worked. (doesnt help the cmos battery died on that laptop)
2022-07-27 19:05:50	teraflops	Dotz0cat: I used to use slock
2022-07-27 19:05:55	alad	any of those here apply https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications#Screen_lockers
2022-07-27 19:05:57	phrik	Title: List of applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-27 19:06:03	alad	though I don't see the appeal in DE screensavers
2022-07-27 19:06:12	alad	DE or those from DMs like lightdm
2022-07-27 19:06:18	alad	those have a long history of vulnerabilities and broken behavior
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2022-07-27 19:06:50	alad	teraflops: once I used slock, it unlocked my screen by segfaulting :D
2022-07-27 19:06:55	alad	suckless \o/
2022-07-27 19:06:56	teraflops	heh
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2022-07-27 19:07:22	Edu4rdSHL	xD
2022-07-27 19:07:36	teraflops	that's a feature, scrolling segfault as screensaver
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2022-07-27 19:08:17	Dotz0cat	I stopped using a DM due to light dm just not working correctly
2022-07-27 19:08:23	stefanc_diff	Dotz0cat: I use i3lock-color-git https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/i3lock-color-git
2022-07-27 19:08:27	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - i3lock-color-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-07-27 19:08:50	stefanc_diff	has worked for years without much modification tbh
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2022-07-27 19:10:45	Edu4rdSHL	startx ftw
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2022-07-27 19:11:40	stefanc_diff	Edu4rdSHL: try doing some video editing after startx :)
2022-07-27 19:12:11	teraflops	I do not see the correlation
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2022-07-27 19:13:49	Edu4rdSHL	stefanc_diff, I do video editing but how's that related to using or not startx to start your DE?
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2022-07-27 19:15:56	stefanc_diff	Edu4rdSHL: my bad, was thinking of something totally different when you said startx 
2022-07-27 19:16:04	Edu4rdSHL	Hehehe
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2022-07-27 19:19:27	alad	I do all my video editing in the console with libcaca :O
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2022-07-27 19:21:25	Edu4rdSHL	libcaca xD
2022-07-27 19:21:48	Edu4rdSHL	caca is spanish is another thing probably
2022-07-27 19:22:33	Hunts	:D
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2022-07-27 19:36:37	teraflops	sorry for the off-topic but talking about spain, that's what we do in the city where I live https://www.engadget.com/seville-heat-wave-zoe-221141306.html
2022-07-27 19:36:38	phrik	Title: Climate change has Seville so hot it's started naming heat waves like hurricanes | Engadget (at www.engadget.com)
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2022-07-28 18:34:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org"
2022-07-28 18:34:01	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1433 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1432 normals)
2022-07-28 03:40:41	Betal	I moved a ext4 installation to btrfs, what are common files that want C flag? maybe system journal, firefox/chromium/kde db? I noticed that /var/log/journal got the C flag set on first boot
2022-07-28 08:14:30	Lyxodius	Hello everyone!
2022-07-28 08:21:11	gehidore	!hello
2022-07-28 08:21:12	phrik	hello? http://i.imgur.com/8pwTF.gif
2022-07-28 08:22:35	txtsd	I'm trying to use a different ssh-askpass program by setting SSH_ASKPASS, however, whenever I try to ssh, x11-openssh-askpass is what pops up. What do?
2022-07-28 08:57:21	megumin	> :: wireplumber and pipewire-media-session are in conflict. Remove pipewire-media-session? [y/N]
2022-07-28 08:57:31	zan	y
2022-07-28 08:57:34	megumin	i dont want to install wireplumber
2022-07-28 08:57:44	megumin	now to save media-seesion
2022-07-28 08:57:49	megumin	how
2022-07-28 08:58:51	arojas	by uninstalling anything that depends on wireplumber
2022-07-28 09:29:55	masterkorp	Hello
2022-07-28 09:30:02	masterkorp	on the newest update 
2022-07-28 09:30:45	masterkorp	I am having troubles with packages with newest GPG key, (marginal trust) I did not see anything on the arch anoucements 
2022-07-28 09:31:23	kolcon	masterkorp: how about pacman -S archlinux-keyring ?
2022-07-28 09:49:42	urawotlol	anyone else having issues with arch-chroot not tearing the chroot down correctly? where it leaves dev mounted
2022-07-28 10:01:41	megumin	> IgnorePkg   = wireplumber
2022-07-28 10:01:46	megumin	seems to work
2022-07-28 10:04:48	megumin	> error: libcap: signature from "David Runge <dvzrv@archlinux.org>" is marginal trust
2022-07-28 10:05:26	megumin	remove it?
2022-07-28 10:07:10	urawotlol	pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring
2022-07-28 10:07:17	urawotlol	then do -Syu
2022-07-28 10:08:36	megumin	interrupt it or what?
2022-07-28 10:08:41	bug2000	say no.
2022-07-28 10:08:42	dirtcastle	brave-bin breaks in my laptop. I was using same home partition for ubuntu and arch
2022-07-28 10:08:46	bug2000	it'll abort.
2022-07-28 10:09:03	bug2000	dirtcastle, Are they running the same brave version?
2022-07-28 10:09:09	bug2000	Might be config breakage.
2022-07-28 10:09:11	dirtcastle	not sure tbh
2022-07-28 10:09:24	dirtcastle	I rm -rf .config/BraveSoftware
2022-07-28 10:09:35	dirtcastle	I can check if u want me to
2022-07-28 10:09:41	bug2000	You can also just mv it.
2022-07-28 10:09:47	bug2000	If that's the only location it breaks at.
2022-07-28 10:15:07	dirtcastle	how to uninstall brave. i used paru to install brave but paru -Q brave doesnt work
2022-07-28 10:15:57	urawotlol	-R?
2022-07-28 10:16:09	urawotlol	dirtcastle, /\
2022-07-28 10:16:27	dirtcastle	oh no. 
2022-07-28 10:18:36	dirtcastle	target not found 
2022-07-28 10:18:41	dirtcastle	brave
2022-07-28 10:18:43	dirtcastle	for -R
2022-07-28 10:18:55	dirtcastle	but brave exists in /usr/bin
2022-07-28 10:19:01	urawotlol	pacman -R brave
2022-07-28 10:19:24	dirtcastle	target not found for pacman too
2022-07-28 10:19:40	urawotlol	or brave-bin, brave-git or whatever brave you used
2022-07-28 10:19:57	dirtcastle	I deleted devel.json by paru. it was giving errors. the file was empty when I cat it
2022-07-28 10:21:12	dirtcastle	I just ran pacman -R brave-bin. It removed the package yet the brave exists in /usr/bin
2022-07-28 10:29:59	Edu4rdSHL	dirtcastle, pacman -Qo /user/bin/brave
2022-07-28 10:30:06	Edu4rdSHL	Algo, pacman -Qs brave
2022-07-28 10:30:11	Edu4rdSHL	Also *
2022-07-28 10:31:03	dirtcastle	-Qo gives no package owns brave 
2022-07-28 10:31:12	dirtcastle	-Qs gives nothing 
2022-07-28 10:31:15	dirtcastle	what is that *
2022-07-28 10:31:38	dirtcastle	btw I used pacman -Q | grep brave. nothing showed up. 
2022-07-28 10:32:47	dirtcastle	Edu4rdSHL: 
2022-07-28 10:32:50	Edu4rdSHL	Then the binary was installed there outside of pacman
2022-07-28 10:33:27	Edu4rdSHL	What does /usr/bin/brave has?
2022-07-28 10:34:07	dirtcastle	if I run brave nothing happens
2022-07-28 10:34:35	Gagis	could it be a broken symlink?
2022-07-28 10:34:39	Edu4rdSHL	ls -la /usr/bin/brave
2022-07-28 10:36:03	dirtcastle	it gives /usr/bin/brave. back. 
2022-07-28 10:36:05	Porkepix	Hi, a question if anyone would have an idea about this: I've got a headset that did work great on my arch for a very long time, but recently I noticed that when plugged in (jack), despite a new microphone being detected as plugged in Alsa/pacontrol and the mic level changing, it only seems to get microphone sound from the laptop's internal microphone (touching headset microphone doesn't change
2022-07-28 10:36:07	Porkepix	levels while knocking the laptop does), have anyone an idea of what's going wrong there?
2022-07-28 10:37:10	Edu4rdSHL	Well, then as I said that thing was installed outside of pacman, I'm pretty sure that you installed brave using another method before installing brave-bin from AUR.
2022-07-28 10:38:16	Edu4rdSHL	Porkepix, does the headset have some hardware interruptor for muting the mic?
2022-07-28 10:39:41	Porkepix	Edu4rdSHL: Yes, by raising or lowering the microphone, but this have effect only on the headset byt transmitting or not: it's a jack headset
2022-07-28 10:39:42	dirtcastle	no I installed it using paru only. I want to uninstall it anyway. how to uninstall it. Edu4rdSHL 
2022-07-28 10:39:59	Edu4rdSHL	dirtcastle, remove that file then
2022-07-28 10:41:19	Edu4rdSHL	Porkepix, are you using pulseaudio or pipewire?
2022-07-28 10:42:34	Porkepix	Edu4rdSHL: I've think I've got both on the system but had to roll back some things when there was the whole wireplumber issue (caused my video players to not play anymore and some other programs to freeze)
2022-07-28 10:42:45	Porkepix	I think*
2022-07-28 10:43:01	Edu4rdSHL	pacman -Qs pulseaudio && pacman -Qs pipewire
2022-07-28 10:44:23	Porkepix	Edu4rdSHL: https://mindleaking.org/privatebin/?58c52ed8cc3818a9#IU5JqCX/WdfPNEpE+wXZ0ZaXAi+6BIvxaMOWMRSWhuY=
2022-07-28 10:44:24	@EMIYA_	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/ojUG.txt
2022-07-28 10:44:25	phrik	Title: PrivateBin (at mindleaking.org)
2022-07-28 10:46:00	Edu4rdSHL	Porkepix, I would do: pacman -Rns pulseaudio pulseaudio-alsa pulseaudio-bluetooth && pacman -S pipewire-alsa pipewire-jack pipewire-pulse wireplumber
2022-07-28 10:46:15	Edu4rdSHL	Then restart and see if the issue is fixed
2022-07-28 10:47:22	Porkepix	Edu4rdSHL: If things didn't got fixed, I can't run wireplumber; when it was pushed to all users it caused my video players to not play anything anymore and some 3D programs in Wine to get frozen
2022-07-28 10:48:25	Edu4rdSHL	Porkepix, that was because you had pulseaudio and pipewire installed, now you are switching to full pipewire setup (which is what I recommend) so you don't face that problem anymore.
2022-07-28 10:48:34	Porkepix	(As for the reboot I'd avoid right now, looks like my fan's dying and doesn't spin anymore, I'm afraid a reboot would be stopped by the uefi due to fan error from what I've read… :/)
2022-07-28 10:48:50	Edu4rdSHL	And, even if you have pipewire + pulseaudio installed the bug is also fixed
2022-07-28 10:49:14	Edu4rdSHL	Porkepix, well, then you have to log out and log in again
2022-07-28 10:49:21	Edu4rdSHL	At least
2022-07-28 10:50:22	Porkepix	So, what are all the piprewire-* packages, compatibility layers with the various programs?
2022-07-28 10:51:46	Edu4rdSHL	-alsa for alsa config, -jack for jack config, -pulse as pulseaudio replacement
2022-07-28 10:53:14	Porkepix	Okay, will try, and gotta find what's the replacement for pavucontrol, alsactl and so on
2022-07-28 10:53:30	Edu4rdSHL	pavucontrol doesn't need to be replaced
2022-07-28 10:53:55	Edu4rdSHL	And doesn't alsactl 
2022-07-28 10:54:59	Porkepix	Thanks for the help (though I'm wondering what's going wrong with the current setup to have this effect of the system acting like everything is going as expected but then take the sound from internal mic)
2022-07-28 10:55:11	Porkepix	doesn't alsactl?
2022-07-28 10:55:40	Edu4rdSHL	Doesn't need to be replced
2022-07-28 10:55:42	Edu4rdSHL	Doesn't need to be replaced *
2022-07-28 11:01:24	dirtcastle	got brave to work. thanks for your time fellas!
2022-07-28 12:38:21	The-Compiler	I recently booted an Ubuntu Live stick and it (correctly) showed me a notification that my wireless mouse (2.4 GHz) was almost out of battery. Any idea where this kind of thing could be coming from, or how I'd set up something like that without a full DE?
2022-07-28 12:40:32	The-Compiler	I can see the level in "upower --dump", so I guess I'm mainly wondering if there is something integrating with that and showing a notification
2022-07-28 12:44:02	nij-	merced o/
2022-07-28 12:46:14	dav1d	The-Compiler, wireplumber is yelling this at me: BlueZ Battery Provider is not available, won't retry to register it. Make sure you are running BlueZ 5.56+ with experimental features to use Battery Provider.
2022-07-28 12:46:49	dav1d	maybe it's related to your (bluetooth?) mouse
2022-07-28 12:47:39	The-Compiler	dav1d: nope, not bluetooth, 2.4 GHz via a dongle (well, it can do bluetooth too, but bluetooth is always a pain, so I try to avoid it)
2022-07-28 12:47:57	dav1d	ah nvm, I missed that in your original message
2022-07-28 13:27:17	hiya	Is  update-resolv-conf distro system? Can you please share yours?
2022-07-28 13:28:53	Namarrgon	share what exactly?
2022-07-28 13:29:33	Namarrgon	could you rephrase the first question?
2022-07-28 13:29:53	hiya	 update-resolv-conf file from /etc/openvpn
2022-07-28 13:31:21	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/OpenVPN#The_update-resolv-conf_custom_script
2022-07-28 13:31:22	phrik	Title: OpenVPN - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-28 13:38:52	hiya	Namarrgon: ok
2022-07-28 16:47:57	Foxboron	Forty-Bot: Thanks for the quick fix :)
2022-07-28 16:55:34	txtsd	How do I check if my ISP is blocking ports 80 and 443, or if it's a problem with my router?
2022-07-28 16:56:27	txtsd	I setup ddns on my desktop, and the address is resolving, but it just times out.
2022-07-28 16:57:27	Khorne	By asking your ISP?
2022-07-28 16:58:02	txtsd	Their customer support knows jackshit. I'm left to my own devices.
2022-07-28 16:59:10	Khorne	I object to be called a device
2022-07-28 16:59:16	Repentinus	Just get another computer, plug it into the wan port on your router, and try reaching your local machine from that computer.
2022-07-28 17:01:18	txtsd	Not a bad idea, but as far as wired devices go, my desktop is the only one in the house.
2022-07-28 17:01:22	Repentinus	Also, if you are behind NAT, did you actually forward ports 80 and 443 on the router to your local machine?
2022-07-28 17:01:31	txtsd	Yes I did the port forwarding
2022-07-28 17:01:38	txtsd	I don't have a firewall either
2022-07-28 17:03:32	txtsd	Actually, I have a couple of iptables rules. I'm not sure if that could be the problem.
2022-07-28 17:03:35	nathan	did you try another port other than 80/443?
2022-07-28 17:04:44	txtsd	Yes I also tried 25565
2022-07-28 17:04:56	txtsd	relevant iptables rules: https://paste.sr.ht/~txtsd/eb892044f88cb9053b15adc86b7b3305fbb790be
2022-07-28 17:04:57	phrik	Title: iptables --list-rules — paste.sr.ht (at paste.sr.ht)
2022-07-28 17:51:49	cc0a3hr	any ideas how to keep arch system clean? I used tool on MX linux it basically clean your cache thumbnails stuff like that, is there any program like this exists on arch? thanks
2022-07-28 17:55:59	glitsj16	cc0a3hr: have you searched the AUR for that tool you used before yet? someone might have created a PKGBUILD for it already...
2022-07-28 17:56:44	cc0a3hr	bleachbit
2022-07-28 17:56:46	cc0a3hr	righr
2022-07-28 17:58:44	glitsj16	ah, that should be in the community repo, so you can simply install it via pacman
2022-07-28 18:01:20	Scimmia	Be careful with bleachbit. Don't delete files installed by pacman
2022-07-28 18:04:15	cc0a3hr	now I'm confused, looking for tutorials on web
2022-07-28 18:06:28	cc0a3hr	sudo pacman -R bleachbit
2022-07-28 18:06:33	cc0a3hr	I'm not taking the risk
2022-07-28 18:10:33	zan	cc0a3hr: pacman-contrib includes paccache script that you can set-up using systemd to weekly clear your pacman package cache in /var/cache/pacman/pkg, it has a dry mode that will only list the packages to be removed, it can remove uninstalled packages as well as keep only last-n versions of the currently installed packages
2022-07-28 18:16:44	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-28 18:18:39	hwrd	hmm I just installed firefox and it's asking for access to the default keyring... I imagine that's my user's password, but I keep getting password incorrect... what would be the password for that keyring?
2022-07-28 18:34:01	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-28 18:35:47	cyphertite	hwrd:  I've been using FF for 20+ years, and I've never once been asked for a 'default keyring' access or password
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2022-07-28 18:36:14	hwrd	cyphertite I think it's the Firefox Sync portion of it
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2022-07-28 18:37:36	cyphertite	not surprising, but you did not mention that before
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2022-07-28 18:38:51	hwrd	Sorry, I didn't think it was relevant... I thought this was more of a linux/keyring question.
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2022-07-28 18:41:36	cyphertite	np, but I don't FF 'Sync'; but others are likely to have been affected - start digging
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2022-07-28 18:44:49	teraflops	hwrd: are you using gnome or have gnome-keyring running?
2022-07-28 18:46:03	hwrd	teraflops using sway, but I do have gnome-keyring running, but I didn't do it explicitly. I think keybase or 1password installed it
2022-07-28 18:46:28	teraflops	then I thinks that's why as iirc ff inegrates password manager w/ gnome-keyring
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2022-07-28 18:46:34	teraflops	think^
2022-07-28 18:47:11	hwrd	makes sense, but I dunno how to figure out or set the password for the keyring... I thought it would be my user password
2022-07-28 18:47:31	teraflops	well that's a different password form the user's one
2022-07-28 18:47:37	teraflops	uneless you set both the same
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2022-07-28 18:47:42	teraflops	unless
2022-07-28 18:47:52	teraflops	sorry the typos :(
2022-07-28 18:48:00	hwrd	I don't recall ever setting it... and it I did, I would have used the same password
2022-07-28 18:48:09	hwrd	is there a way to RE-set it?
2022-07-28 18:48:26	teraflops	idk tbh
2022-07-28 18:48:38	hwrd	heh, thanks anyway for your help!
2022-07-28 18:48:41	teraflops	np
2022-07-28 18:49:00	bookworm	you can make a new keyring, sure. But the old one is useless without the password 
2022-07-28 18:49:09	bookworm	that's the point after all
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2022-07-28 18:49:47	teraflops	if this is a new ff installation I don't think that's a big deal
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2022-07-28 18:57:57	hwrd	It's using the default keyring, which I think has other things in it... but nothing that can't be re-built/recovered.
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2022-07-28 19:01:38	teraflops	I do gnome keyring for ssh-agent thing so in my case resetting it would bork ssh logins
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2022-07-28 19:02:05	hwrd	I used to, but actually I now use 1Password's ssh-agent.
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2022-07-28 19:08:52	masterkorp	error: libcap: signature from "David Runge <dvzrv@archlinux.org>" is marginal trust
2022-07-28 19:09:29	teraflops	gnome keyring update yesterday and today
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2022-07-28 19:09:49	teraflops	tried pacman -Sy gnome-keyring && pacman -Su ?
2022-07-28 19:10:39	masterkorp	what is up with the lastest GPG key on the repos?
2022-07-28 19:10:51	teraflops	nothing I guess
2022-07-28 19:11:52	masterkorp	oh I installed archlinux-keyring before the upgrade and that worked
2022-07-28 19:11:59	teraflops	good
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2022-07-28 19:19:05	chazy	does anyone know how to redirect this to the clipboard?
2022-07-28 19:19:12	chazy	this doesn't work: `grim -g "$(slurp)" | wl-copy`
2022-07-28 19:20:37	chazy	it's like it's not waiting for the subshell before piping
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2022-07-28 19:31:32	hi117	hey, is the ceph package ever going to get updated?
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2022-07-28 19:32:45	hi117	there's a new version that's been out since 2021 (patch release)
2022-07-28 19:32:59	hi117	and its 2 major versions behind
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2022-07-28 19:33:32	hi117	and the major release hit EOL last month
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2022-07-28 19:36:05	teraflops	aur packages seem to be up to date
2022-07-28 19:36:25	zan	chazy: reading the grim man "If output-file is -, grim will write the image to the standard output instead"
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2022-07-28 19:36:33	mpan	hi117: you may contact Thore and offer them help. If the features in the newer version are important to you, you may build it on your own too: either by adjusting the official Thore’s PKGBUILD or the one offered by jamincollins: <https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ceph-git>.
2022-07-28 19:37:14	Foxboron	hi117: the ceph package is a pain, so Thore needs help to update it
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2022-07-28 19:37:26	hi117	yeah, I don't think I can just straight use ceph-git since that would mean upgrading from 15.x to 17.x
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2022-07-28 19:37:44	hi117	I'm not 100% sure that upgrade path exists
2022-07-28 19:37:45	chazy	zan: thanks, i noticed that by default it writes to a file so i was about check the manual
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2022-07-28 19:38:38	hi117	Foxboron: ah, thanks for the info, I'll see what I can do in testing and ping Thorne if I have a patch to get the upgrade done
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2022-07-28 19:39:01	Foxboron	hi117: ceph is sadly one of these high-effort projects
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2022-07-28 19:41:55	hi117	yeah, and it doesn't help that they're pushing their orchistration tools for it which don't work on archlinux
2022-07-28 19:42:25	Foxboron	:)
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2022-07-29 11:34:40	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-07-29 11:34:40	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1410 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1409 normals)
2022-07-29 05:24:45	jmcantrell	I’m trying to pacstrap base into a btrfs subvolume in /var/lib/machines and during the post transaction hooks I get “umount: /var/lib/machines/c0//dev: target is busy”. What’s going on?
2022-07-29 05:25:45	jmcantrell	The container is unusable.
2022-07-29 05:29:33	Dotz0cat	I am doing some packaging. What provides webkit?
2022-07-29 05:32:01	Dotz0cat	I would guess webkit2gtk
2022-07-29 05:45:41	thursdaylark	jmcantrell: can you post the output to a paste service?
2022-07-29 05:46:03	thursdaylark	or at least get a picture of that line with as much context as possible?
2022-07-29 05:53:23	jmcantrell	thursdaylark: https://paste.rs/Xxb (arch-install-scripts 25-2)
2022-07-29 05:54:33	jmcantrell	The command I used was `sudo mkdir c; sudo pacstrap -c ./c base`
2022-07-29 05:55:33	jmcantrell	Maybe? https://bugs.archlinux.org/index.php?do=details&task_id=75378
2022-07-29 05:55:33	phrik	Title: FS#75378 : [arch-install-scripts] arch-chroot 25.2 no longer working as expected from 24.2 (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-07-29 05:58:12	jmcantrell	Leaves this mounted `udev on /home/jeremy/c/dev type devtmpfs (rw,nosuid,relatime,size=8122328k,nr_inodes=2030582,mode=755,inode64)`
2022-07-29 06:00:03	thursdaylark	jmcantrell: I think that's it. Gonna play with it to see how it behaves before recommending an action, but out of curiosity, are there any arch-chroot processes still running?
2022-07-29 06:07:19	jmcantrell	thursdaylark: pgrep shows nothing
2022-07-29 06:09:12	thursdaylark	welp. apparently pacstrap isn't built to install packages into a dir that's not owned by root...
2022-07-29 06:11:30	jmcantrell	I tried this in /var/lib/machines as root with the same result.
2022-07-29 06:14:08	thursdaylark	jmcantrell: Yeah, so I got the same result, but I was able to just `sudo umount` that dev dir without getting any complaints from the system. 
2022-07-29 06:15:01	jmcantrell	Same.
2022-07-29 06:17:28	thursdaylark	I don't know enough about pacstrap to say that's the only thing left to clean up, but I believe that pacman finished successfully, and the error was generated by the chroot teardown procedure
2022-07-29 06:17:51	thursdaylark	just as discussed here: https://github.com/archlinux/arch-install-scripts/issues/21
2022-07-29 06:19:44	jmcantrell	Agreed. I initially thought it was trying to umount /dev before /dev/{pts,shm}, but that wasn't the case.
2022-07-29 06:19:58	thursdaylark	ooh, this issue is basically the same thing, but has more discussion: https://github.com/archlinux/arch-install-scripts/issues/6
2022-07-29 06:20:05	thursdaylark	!ping
2022-07-29 06:20:05	phrik	pong
2022-07-29 06:24:07	thursdaylark	oh, awesome, apparently my ISP is about to go into a planned outage in like half an hour, so I'll probably drop off when that happens :P
2022-07-29 06:24:22	thursdaylark	they say it might be a few hours :|
2022-07-29 06:26:32	jmcantrell	thursdaylark: this person's use of `--mount-proc` seems to support that https://github.com/archlinux/arch-install-scripts/issues/21#issuecomment-1198062607
2022-07-29 06:28:33	thursdaylark	eschwartz: would you possibly have anything to add to this discussion?
2022-07-29 06:30:42	jmcantrell	The patch in that comment does not work here.
2022-07-29 06:33:08	jmcantrell	Ok, correction. I get the same message about /dev being busy, but it's not mounted after pacstrap finishes and the container is runnable.
2022-07-29 06:50:35	thursdaylark	Yeap. Same here. that patch fixes the thing for me
2022-07-29 06:54:37	jmcantrell	The message still being there about /dev being busy bothers me.
2022-07-29 06:55:18	jmcantrell	Also, why would adding an option whose description only refers to /proc affect /dev?
2022-07-29 06:55:56	thursdaylark	oh, I didn't get that message at all when I built from the pid_fix branch of Forty-Bot's fork
2022-07-29 06:56:43	Forty-Bot	jmcantrell: the idea is that if you have a separate pid namespace when the subprocess exits evry subsubprocess is gone as well
2022-07-29 06:56:53	thursdaylark	Here's the PKGBUILD I used fwiw: https://paste.xinu.at/I9uU/
2022-07-29 06:57:00	Forty-Bot	so you can be certain that no one is sticking around using a device
2022-07-29 06:57:03	jmcantrell	Weird. I saw no change with that branch. /dev was still mounted.
2022-07-29 06:58:21	thursdaylark	and for completeness, here's a diff: https://paste.xinu.at/n1pFa/
2022-07-29 06:59:31	thursdaylark	oop. almost time for the outage... I guess I'll be back later :P
2022-07-29 07:02:25	jmcantrell	thurstylark, Forty-Bot : That PKGBUILD works for me, as well.
2022-07-29 07:02:42	Forty-Bot	great
2022-07-29 07:03:02	Forty-Bot	if you tested it, please leave a comment on https://github.com/archlinux/arch-install-scripts/pull/22
2022-07-29 07:03:30	jmcantrell	👍️
2022-07-29 07:07:00	thurstylark	There we go. I can elaborate if necessary, but figured a simple +1 would suffice for now :P
2022-07-29 07:21:10	Dotz0cat	apparentlly by starting xscreensaver in my xinitrc, I mess up i3. cant even get a terminal
2022-07-29 07:21:28	jmcantrell	Trying to test `pacstrap -N`
2022-07-29 07:29:49	Dotz0cat	it seems more like once xidlehook runs xscreensaver-command -activate then i3 stops working
2022-07-29 07:39:29	jmcantrell	Dotz0cat: I would recommend looking into wayland and sway.
2022-07-29 07:41:15	bloodfart69	Hey I am trying to get built-in firmware to be compiled inside my kernel. It's for old hardware ( Never had an issue with building firmware inside my kernel before until now ), and for some reason it keeps on saying this: http://ix.io/45Zb Already tried -j#, double check the sig when downloading it and still it gives me that crap
2022-07-29 07:41:47	bloodfart69	I'm upgrading my hardware pretty soon so I still gotta deal with it for now. 
2022-07-29 07:43:00	bloodfart69	Pretty sure the config works. I did copy archlinux lts to my old kernel and now to this kernel 
2022-07-29 08:42:04	avN0	:q
2022-07-29 08:56:50	dirtcastle	one day my Bluetooth headphones connects properly. next day it doesn't. idk why. I get br-connection-profile-unavailable.
2022-07-29 08:59:01	dirtcastle	I'm trying to connect my mic to arch linux. is there any guide for it. 
2022-07-29 09:02:09	wikki	if youre using pulse, id start here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Microphone
2022-07-29 09:02:11	phrik	Title: PulseAudio/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-29 09:03:51	meskarune	Thunderbird has an option "Trust junk mail headers set by spamassassin" does this require installing and setting up spamassassin and is there something special I need to do so it works with thunderbird?
2022-07-29 09:05:09	grawity	it does require installing and setting up spamassassin *on the mail server*
2022-07-29 09:06:31	grawity	it's mostly for when you're using POP3 to get mail from some mail server that already has SA installed
2022-07-29 09:06:52	grawity	and just makes thunderbird show the 'spam' icon for mails that SA already marked as such
2022-07-29 09:07:33	meskarune	ah I see. Does google set spam headers at all? I get a stupid amount of spam on my gmail to the point its unusable.
2022-07-29 09:07:46	grawity	like, in your gmail *inbox*?
2022-07-29 09:07:53	meskarune	yes
2022-07-29 09:07:57	grawity	google doesn't set SA-compatible headers
2022-07-29 09:08:05	grawity	because google puts detected spam in a whole separate folder
2022-07-29 09:08:10	Repentinus	No, they just label stuff as Spam.
2022-07-29 09:08:12	grawity	called "Spam"
2022-07-29 09:08:13	meskarune	Tons of car insurance offers, amazon webstore offers, etc
2022-07-29 09:08:18	Repentinus	In IMAP that's just exposed as Spam.
2022-07-29 09:08:18	grawity	mark those as spam lol
2022-07-29 09:08:27	meskarune	I do but they keep getting in my inbox
2022-07-29 09:08:41	grawity	keep marking as spam
2022-07-29 09:08:44	grawity	or unsubscribe if it's amazon
2022-07-29 09:08:47	grawity	if it went through to your inbox, that's because gmail didn't detect it as spam
2022-07-29 09:08:48	meskarune	idk why I am even getting insurance quotes for car insurance, I don't own a car and I'm not in the united states
2022-07-29 09:09:08	Repentinus	You can also create filters in the web interface to automatically mark stuff as spam.
2022-07-29 09:09:10	grawity	my gmail inbox is clean and my spam folder is ~300/month these days
2022-07-29 09:09:16	meskarune	no, amazon sellers will message me asking me to review their products and they will give me a coupon code or whatever
2022-07-29 09:09:41	meskarune	its not from amazon specifically but people who sell stuff on amazon I guess
2022-07-29 09:10:00	_________	also stop agreeing to marketing mails meskarune 
2022-07-29 09:10:15	meskarune	I don't, I think my ex signed my email up on stuff to fuck with me
2022-07-29 09:10:23	meskarune	he used to do that to a lot of people
2022-07-29 09:10:46	grawity	I don't buy much online though, but I've had the gmail address for 16 years now
2022-07-29 09:10:53	grawity	lol karma
2022-07-29 09:10:57	meskarune	I got gmail as a beta user heh
2022-07-29 09:10:59	grawity	oh you said he, not i
2022-07-29 09:11:27	grawity	gmail was beta for like a decade though
2022-07-29 09:11:31	meskarune	grawity: naw, the real karma is him losing his job and having no crash on the opposite side of the country so he couldn't mess with me anymore.
2022-07-29 09:12:09	grawity	sigh I think I accidentally installed the "seasonal allergies" DLC
2022-07-29 09:12:40	meskarune	grawity: I got gmail in like 2005 or 2006
2022-07-29 09:12:51	Repentinus	Shouldn't be much of a pollen season any more, though if you're allergic to a specific plant that's blooming right now, then my sympathies, grawity.
2022-07-29 09:13:20	grawity	Repentinus: I have no idea, hasn't been a problem before
2022-07-29 09:13:51	grawity	"date.signup: 2006-01-13"
2022-07-29 09:15:02	grawity	meskarune: oh right, gmail has filters where you can just automatically delete stuff / mark stuff as spam based on subject
2022-07-29 09:15:15	grawity	if it's the same kind of mail every time
2022-07-29 09:16:37	Repentinus	meskarune, https://support.google.com/a/users/answer/9300019?hl=en
2022-07-29 09:16:38	phrik	Title: Common Gmail filters - Google Workspace Learning Center (at support.google.com)
2022-07-29 09:16:46	meskarune	anyways I get like a ton of offers for credit cards, car insurance, morgages, store credit cards like costco card, and weird mails with offers to buy things on amazon with coupons
2022-07-29 09:17:04	meskarune	I use filters but the subjects aren't consistent
2022-07-29 09:17:21	meskarune	also people do get insurance quotes via email legitiamently
2022-07-29 09:17:31	meskarune	but I don't have a car or morgage
2022-07-29 09:18:20	meskarune	with filters I got my inbox down from 40,000 mails to 12,000
2022-07-29 09:19:33	Repentinus	You need not worry about other people when marking stuff as spam. Google takes your preferences into account. If someone wants to have insurance quotes in their inbox, a couple of times unmarking them as spam will make sure they keep ending up in theirs.
2022-07-29 09:20:02	meskarune	Ah ok. I will keep marking them but it seriously still over welms my inbox
2022-07-29 09:20:16	meskarune	I spend more time marking stuff as spam than I do actually finding legit mail
2022-07-29 09:20:50	Repentinus	Subject has 'insurance' 'car' -> spam
2022-07-29 09:21:23	meskarune	the subject lines that are left don't have easy to filter words
2022-07-29 09:21:35	meskarune	for exmaple this is one from a mail in my inbox today: meskarun_YOU-VE**SCORED_A_GREAT_DEAL!!SJl
2022-07-29 09:21:51	meskarune	the things that are easy to filter I am already filtering
2022-07-29 09:21:51	Repentinus	Plus for Amazon you should be safe marking anything with Amazon in the subject, but not sent from an Amazon e-mail address -> spam
2022-07-29 09:22:13	meskarune	they do not put amazon in the subject line, spammers don't make it easy to filter the messages
2022-07-29 09:22:23	Repentinus	:-(
2022-07-29 09:22:37	Repentinus	I think you can also filter based on the message body.
2022-07-29 09:22:39	meskarune	alot of them also put the message into the email as images so no text filtering can happen on those either
2022-07-29 09:23:14	Repentinus	Ah, yeah filtering mails with images, but no or very little text is probably beyond Gmail's capabilities.
2022-07-29 09:26:20	raster	o/
2022-07-29 09:29:08	Repentinus	meskarune, perhaps you may find <https://bogofilter.sourceforge.io/> useful.
2022-07-29 09:29:09	phrik	Title: Bogofilter Home Page (at bogofilter.sourceforge.io)
2022-07-29 09:29:19	meskarune	Ah thanks, I'll have a look
2022-07-29 09:31:35	Repentinus	https://mailfilter.sourceforge.io/index.html works over POP only
2022-07-29 09:31:36	phrik	Title: Mailfilter Homepage (at mailfilter.sourceforge.io)
2022-07-29 09:34:54	mpan	meskarune: a bit late for the talk. If Goofle sets some headers, Thunderbird already has Message Filters option. To add custom headers, in the filter definition click ‘Customize…’ in the combobox.
2022-07-29 09:36:18	Repentinus	Google does not.
2022-07-29 09:36:26	mpan	oh
2022-07-29 09:37:13	mpan	So one must use the web client to benefit from their spam detectors, which are probably one of a very few good selling points of the service?
2022-07-29 09:37:58	Repentinus	No. Their spam detection labels messages as spam. Over IMAP, that is exposed as a separate folder.
2022-07-29 09:38:28	Repentinus	But their classification is not good enough for her needs.
2022-07-29 09:39:19	mpan	That is weird. Maybe some settings on the account? Whatever I think of Goofle, their spam detection seems to be superior thanks to the sheer amount of accounts they have access too.
2022-07-29 09:42:57	meskarune	mpan: the problem I'm having is a ton of edge case spam messages with hard to filter subject lines and images for the message body
2022-07-29 09:43:39	meskarune	most of them are stuff like insurance offers, student loan consolidation, etc but then if you click the link it obviously goes to some spam website covered in ads or whatever.
2022-07-29 09:43:59	mpan	That should not matter to GMail filters.
2022-07-29 09:44:00	meskarune	a lot of these mails seem to be coming from hacked business mail accounts
2022-07-29 09:44:18	meskarune	mpan: well I'm getting a ton of them in my inbox so idk
2022-07-29 09:44:29	mpan	Yes, I know. I am just wondering where may be the cause.
2022-07-29 09:44:42	mpan	… assuming no one has broken their filters, which I suppose would hit news. :D
2022-07-29 09:44:58	meskarune	haha yeah probably people would notice
2022-07-29 09:45:01	mpan	Are you sure there isn’t some settings for the account which you could see?
2022-07-29 09:45:04	mpan	*set
2022-07-29 09:45:30	meskarune	I have already set a lot of filtering, but like I said, the stuff that is left makes it harder to filter
2022-07-29 09:45:51	mpan	Then no idea. :/
2022-07-29 09:48:10	meskarune	Another mail I have in my inbox right now: subject is just confirmed: meskarune and message body is an image that links to http://canopymonster.nl/<bunch of ranbom letters and numbers>
2022-07-29 09:48:11	phrik	Title: merseytechhub.org.uk (at canopymonster.nl)
2022-07-29 09:49:28	meskarune	the image says I won a walmart gift card and I can click the "link" to get it. excpet its an image that tries to look like regular text mail.
2022-07-29 09:49:51	meskarune	dark mode makes these stand out because they are white squares haha
2022-07-29 09:51:43	mpan	Well, at least you do not get poorly translated spam, which offers you pills that will make your penis fall off in just 3 days.
2022-07-29 09:51:50	meskarune	haha
2022-07-29 09:52:46	meskarune	I have to right click everything and check links and I basically don't open links in emails now. Maybe I have to make an email whitelist and mainly just look at that.
2022-07-29 09:52:58	raster	mpan: ooh just what i've been missing in my life. :)
2022-07-29 09:53:10	meskarune	I have been moving emails from gmail to protonmail for social media and sites that I use regularly
2022-07-29 09:53:46	mpan	meskarune: have you considered using something, that allows you to set aliases? I find aliases to be the most effective weapon against spam.
2022-07-29 09:53:50	raster	i dont have that problem - my mail client won't show html mail... if its html it gets reduced to text :) but bogofilter nukes most of it anyway
2022-07-29 09:54:35	mpan	meskarune: if there is too much spam, you just switch to another one.
2022-07-29 09:55:03	meskarune	I think that is eaiser when you don't have a 15+ year old mail account.
2022-07-29 09:55:30	mpan	Just keep a single one for friends/family/etc. In the past that was also a risk, as worms stealing address books were common, but it seems to be the past. I haven’t seen a single of my per-person aliases to leak in years.
2022-07-29 09:55:55	Repentinus	Yeah, it's easier with your own domain: you give every sign-up a unique e-mail address with catch-all and blackhole any that starts receiving spam. As a bonus you'll know exactly who's responsible too.
2022-07-29 09:56:08	meskarune	I have email with my own domain too heh
2022-07-29 09:56:19	meskarune	and a protonmail email
2022-07-29 09:56:48	meskarune	the email with my own domain I use for professional stuff though and not friends/family
2022-07-29 09:58:10	dirtcastle	I'm trying to record audio using ffmpeg. pavucontrol detects my microphone. but arecord -l doesn't show my mic in the list. ffmpeg -f alsa -i default out.mkv always gives resource busy. but I'm not using it. 
2022-07-29 09:58:18	Repentinus	I have initial@lastname.me for giving to like government departments and friends and stuff and $random@repentinus dot eu for using anywhere I need to create a log-in. That just gets saved to my password manager.
2022-07-29 10:02:39	meskarune	mine is hello@doloresportalatin.info for school/work/freelance/whatevers , I use protonmail for accounts that use email verification/logins, and gmail was friends/family/social stuff. I used to only have gmail but then added the others later.
2022-07-29 10:04:10	meskarune	I still sometimes get old friends who try and message me on my gmail, etc and idk how many old website logins I have setup with that email. Sometimes I wish I could just nuke it.
2022-07-29 10:04:15	meskarune	but it would cause more problems than solve
2022-07-29 10:04:20	mpan	meskarune: I would not post your email addresses, which you want to protect from bots, on chats. :)
2022-07-29 10:04:24	grawity	dirtcastle: don't mix pulseaudio and raw alsa
2022-07-29 10:04:36	meskarune	mpan: Its public knowlege lol
2022-07-29 10:04:51	meskarune	and I don't have spam issues on my own domain email
2022-07-29 10:04:58	grawity	dirtcastle: if you have pulseaudio (or pipewire) running, either tell ffmpeg to record directly via pulseaudio (-f pulse), or tell it to use the virtual "pulse" device in alsa
2022-07-29 10:04:59	meskarune	my gmail is public knowlege too
2022-07-29 10:05:00	mpan	oh, ok
2022-07-29 10:05:10	meskarune	I bet you could even guess it lol
2022-07-29 10:06:15	Repentinus	Spam bots couldn't. They just look for correctly formatted e-mail addresses in anything they come across.
2022-07-29 10:06:40	grawity	dirtcastle: i.e. don't try to access raw alsa devices, they'll report busy because pulseaudio is "using" them
2022-07-29 10:11:43	dirtcastle	how to stop alsa grawity 
2022-07-29 10:11:50	grawity	you don't stop alsa
2022-07-29 10:11:51	dirtcastle	and use only pulse audio 
2022-07-29 10:11:53	grawity	why are you trying to stop alsa
2022-07-29 10:12:38	dirtcastle	oh. u said you shouldn't mix alsa and pulse. u need alsa to use pulse right. 
2022-07-29 10:12:42	grawity	just don't use alsa-based tools, *or* tell them to use the 'pulse' device
2022-07-29 10:13:07	grawity	like if you want to use arecord, then either use `arecord -D pulse` (not hwX,Y)
2022-07-29 10:13:13	grawity	or pulseaudio's own parecord/parec
2022-07-29 10:13:37	grawity	for ffmpeg, similarly, -f pulse instead of -f alsa
2022-07-29 10:13:37	dirtcastle	ok. just now I ran ffmpeg -f pulse -i default. and it didn't work. 
2022-07-29 10:14:51	alad	meskarune: my mail is public knowledge and I get 30 spam mails a day ;_;
2022-07-29 10:15:16	Repentinus	What do you mean by didn't work, dirtcastle? Did it error or did you simply not record any sound. Be specific.
2022-07-29 10:15:40	dviola	dirtcastle: sometimes you have to run it twice, like when the daemon is not running yet
2022-07-29 10:17:01	dirtcastle	not record any sound. Repentinus 
2022-07-29 10:17:34	Repentinus	Then make sure the daemon is running and the microphone input is not muted.
2022-07-29 10:17:50	dirtcastle	dviola: command to start or restart the daemon. is it pulseaudio.service?  
2022-07-29 10:18:21	Repentinus	Just pulseaudio, unless you're running this as a system daemon.
2022-07-29 10:18:31	dirtcastle	Repentinus: just now checked. the microphone is not muted. this time it records something. but I can't hear my voice
2022-07-29 10:18:39	Repentinus	Well, actually in any case, just pulseaudio. It should be socket activated.
2022-07-29 10:18:59	Repentinus	Try tinkering with the microphone gain.
2022-07-29 10:19:10	meskarune	alad: aw
2022-07-29 10:19:30	meskarune	Its hard becaues I do want legit people to be able to message me, but damn the spam is annoying
2022-07-29 10:21:36	dirtcastle	just ran pulse audio. it's already running. I'm currently using Bluetooth headphones. I hear the audio through that. i also have a wired external mic. i want use that to record audio.
2022-07-29 10:23:02	Repentinus	You need to set the correct default source using pactl.
2022-07-29 10:27:08	dirtcastle	there are only 2 cards. one seems to be for internal mic and another is for Bluetooth. 
2022-07-29 10:27:19	dirtcastle	i used pactl list 
2022-07-29 10:27:46	grawity	what port is the external mic connected to?
2022-07-29 10:27:51	Repentinus	Well the external mic is plluged into the line in presumably?
2022-07-29 10:27:59	Repentinus	I.e., controlled by the internal card.
2022-07-29 10:28:08	Repentinus	plugged*
2022-07-29 10:28:09	grawity	make sure the pavucontrol "mic" device is set to the correct port
2022-07-29 10:29:00	dirtcastle	grawity: I don't know the port. It has the microphone symbol. I'm using a laptop. 
2022-07-29 10:29:26	grawity	so just regular 3.5mm audio in?
2022-07-29 10:29:40	grawity	i.e. not fancy usb or anything
2022-07-29 10:30:49	dirtcastle	not a usb. 
2022-07-29 10:31:10	dirtcastle	like headphone jack. I can send the Amazon link of the device. 
2022-07-29 10:31:16	dirtcastle	in phone. 
2022-07-29 10:39:48	dirtcastle	https://www.flipkart.com/boya-by-m1-3-5mm-electret-condenser-microphone-1-4-adapter-smartphones-dslr-camcorders/p/itmesee4czpnpkz8
2022-07-29 10:39:51	phrik	Title: BOYA By-m1 3.5mm Electret Condenser Microphone with 1/4" Adapter for Smartphones, DSLR, Camcorders Microphone - BOYA : Flipkart.com (at www.flipkart.com)
2022-07-29 10:40:55	dirtcastle	grawity: where is this port option. It can detect mic tho. If I plug in and out it changes correctly 
2022-07-29 10:49:40	dirtcastle	oh I can see the port. 
2022-07-29 10:49:49	dirtcastle	yeah. I set it correctly 
2022-07-29 10:50:02	dirtcastle	it says microphone (plugged in)
2022-07-29 10:53:05	dirtcastle	I gave show all input device and muted all other devices. the volume is at 150% but the bar that goes high when input comes in? it peaks at 1/4 of the actual bar. 
2022-07-29 11:03:32	XileX	I made my 1st bug report a few weeks back, but it seems to be unnoticed. Did I miss something from the report or is the solution to just wait? https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/75261
2022-07-29 11:03:33	phrik	Title: FS#75261 : [libtransmission] Transmission should have GPL license (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-07-29 11:09:00	Repentinus	Maintainers have other commitments outside Arch Linux too. Don't worry, they'll have a look and verify it, and fix the issue if you are right.
2022-07-29 11:12:18	thurstylark	XileX: Assigned :)
2022-07-29 11:12:26	XileX	Thanks! Just wanted to make sure that a maintainer has a chance to see the issue at all
2022-07-29 11:12:48	XileX	Thank you thurstylark :)
2022-07-29 11:14:07	thurstylark	yeah, maintainers sometimes go searching for bugs related to their packages, but also sometimes it doesn't get their attention until it's been assigned :P
2022-07-29 11:14:18	thurstylark	this should be a pretty quick fix, though
2022-07-29 11:15:46	bloodfart69	I am looking for this: CONFIG_STRICT_KERNEL_RWX in General arcitecture-dependent options. And it's not there for some reason. I need it to be disabled in order for kdb to work 
2022-07-29 11:22:08	thurstylark	bloodfart69: are you configuring your own kernel build, or...?
2022-07-29 11:27:00	bloodfart69	thurstylark, yes I am. I know fully aware what it does if I disable it. I am literally just debugging it
2022-07-29 11:27:21	thurstylark	debugging what?
2022-07-29 11:27:53	Repentinus	Manually append CONFIG_STRICT_KERNEL_RWX=n to your config. It's not rocket science.
2022-07-29 11:28:58	bloodfart69	Repentinus, I don't know this. I am trying to learn how to debug kernels and I just want to know how things work
2022-07-29 11:29:50	Repentinus	Well, if you want it disabled and it's not part of your config at all, you can just append it to the config as long as it's a valid option.
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2022-07-29 11:36:11	bloodfart69	Repentinus, Will do. Awhile back my built-in firmware I had wouldn't work, even after make -j# or whatever. Can't remember what you said before
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2022-07-29 12:14:16	Segaja	hi, i'm running the hardened kernel on a linovo thinkpad t460p and during the linux boot the laptop screen gets darker as if it reduces the brightness. I have no way later in linux to change that again that i know of. anyone any idea how to influence that?
2022-07-29 12:14:16	Amnesia	question, is anyone over here aware of an opensource alternative to vmware's horizon client :)? xfreerdp doesn't seem to be able to do the job ;[
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2022-07-29 12:14:25	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-07-29 12:15:12	thurstylark	Segaja: been through this page yet? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Backlight
2022-07-29 12:15:13	phrik	Title: Backlight - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-29 12:15:48	Segaja	thurstylark: no not yet, i will check it now
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2022-07-29 12:16:25	meskarune	I updated pacman and the pacman.conf.pacnew has this line uncommented: `#HoldPkg = pacman, glibc` is this supposed to be uncommented by default ?
2022-07-29 12:16:58	ℹ 	bloodfart69 es conocido ahora como TunaCan
2022-07-29 12:17:20	Repentinus	No, it shouldn't.
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2022-07-29 12:17:24	thurstylark	Amnesia: I don't have experience with vmware stuff, but there seems to be a horizon client package in the AUR
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2022-07-29 12:23:36	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-07-29 12:23:45	thurstylark	!give river cookie
2022-07-29 12:23:46	phrik	river: thurstylark wanted you to have this cookie. 🍪
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2022-07-29 12:24:44	meskarune	This arch install is super old and I only changed pacman.conf options when new stuff was added I guess.
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2022-07-29 12:25:18	thurstylark	Segaja: does that mean you've figured it out, or no? not sure how to interpret your last message :P
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2022-07-29 12:26:25	Segaja	i figured it out\
2022-07-29 12:26:39	thurstylark	neato, just making sure :)
2022-07-29 12:26:53	Segaja	i set the wanted brightness in /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness and during reboot systemd restored it. not sure why it was messed up in the first place
2022-07-29 12:27:28	Segaja	by the time i wrote my previous message i was just getting into it and had just figured out it was ACPI controlled. but now i just rebooted and confirmed my findings ;)
2022-07-29 12:27:39	Segaja	thanks for the fast help, thurstylark 
2022-07-29 12:27:49	Segaja	i should have known there was a wiki page for it :D
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2022-07-29 12:29:14	thurstylark	Does your machine have more than one GPU?
2022-07-29 12:29:27	thurstylark	the default restore functionality can be sketchy on systems that have multiple graphics cards
2022-07-29 12:29:28	Segaja	yes, an intel onboard and a nvidia
2022-07-29 12:29:42	Segaja	but i don't see an acpi folder for the nvidia card
2022-07-29 12:30:18	thurstylark	it's possible that the built-in display is hard tied to the intel card, then.
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2022-07-29 12:30:33	ℹ 	smp_ es conocido ahora como smp
2022-07-29 12:31:05	⚡ 	thurstylark used to have a lenovo with an nvidia card that were set up that way
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2022-07-29 12:55:31	meskarune	In hostapd.conf do I need to change the country code to my current country if I moved countries ?
2022-07-29 12:56:20	Repentinus	You should. The available channels and permitted max transmission power are different.
2022-07-29 12:56:56	Repentinus	Otherwise you may end up violating the local radio regulations or missing out on better performance.
2022-07-29 12:57:18	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-29 19:19:36	julemand101	cc0a3hr: Could you not install java though pacman?
2022-07-29 19:20:30	julemand101	Install jre-openjdk
2022-07-29 19:21:03	julemand101	(gives you latest version. If you don't want that, there are other versions also)
2022-07-29 19:21:57	cc0a3hr	yeah thanks
2022-07-29 19:22:04	cc0a3hr	it was easy
2022-07-29 19:31:35	Feru	Okay, I need some help. I tried enabling hibernation, but I couldn't get it to work. However, now I disabled the resume= kernel parameter again, but Plasma still shows a "Hibernate" button and I keep acidentally clicking it.
2022-07-29 19:32:00	Feru	How does it know whether or not the machine can hibernate? The button was not there before I booted with resume=...
2022-07-29 19:32:02	therealnope	Coming back to a conversation about an hour ago. file units do no appear to support recursive watching, so this does not seem to be the ideal solution. There may be a solution in using inotifywait
2022-07-29 19:36:53	Feru	also "systemctl hibernate" still works, but it can never resume. Does systemd remember some things about if hibernation was EVER enabled?
2022-07-29 19:36:58	chazy	something weird just happened, the front headphone port stopped working, i got new speakers with digital input (better dac than the one from the mobo) so does this mean the front jack only works when the rear audio jacks are in use?
2022-07-29 19:44:10	tirnanog	Feru: while not an answer to that question, you might be interested to know that it can be disabled e.g. printf '%s\n' '[Sleep]' AllowHibernation=no > /etc/systemd/sleep.conf.d/local.conf
2022-07-29 19:45:08	Feru	tirnanog, I found that too, but that was not neccessary before I started messing with it
2022-07-29 19:45:34	Feru	I just want to restore the "clean" state before I ever attempted hibernation
2022-07-29 19:46:21	tirnanog	Feru: perhaps try scrubbing the block device backing swap.
2022-07-29 19:46:24	Feru	I think I managed to achieve that by doing "systemctl mask hibernate"
2022-07-29 19:46:42	Feru	systemd seems to remember stuff
2022-07-29 19:46:59	tirnanog	I wouldn't be so quick to blame systemd.
2022-07-29 19:47:17	tirnanog	the kernel does have some logic to detect hibernation images, if I recall correctly.
2022-07-29 19:47:42	Feru	hmm, so just run mkswap again?
2022-07-29 19:48:23	tirnanog	as an experiment, I would be inclined to deactivate the swap device, copy /dev/zero into it then reboot without changing anything else.
2022-07-29 19:48:35	tirnanog	er, yes, with a mkswap at the end.
2022-07-29 19:51:44	Feru	Okay, yeah systemd masking created a file, so that wasn't it. I'm zeroing the swap partition right now
2022-07-29 19:52:48	Feru	I'd rather have hibernation enabled, but apparently it doesn't play well with my old intel GPU and crashes the i915 driver.
2022-07-29 19:53:50	tirnanog	cool. let me know what happens.
2022-07-29 19:55:40	Feru	I disabled swap completely and rebooted completely without swap, and it seems to have worked.
2022-07-29 19:56:21	tirnanog	very good.
2022-07-29 19:56:44	Feru	but when I enabled swap again (mkswap /dev/sda3 && swapon /dev/sda3) it was back :(
2022-07-29 19:56:53	tirnanog	not so good.
2022-07-29 19:57:27	Feru	I don't get it. There must be a config file somewhere, but I even tried grepping for "hibernate" and nothing came up
2022-07-29 19:58:38	tirnanog	perhaps try the sleep.conf.d approach next. if that doesn't change anything, I would question what plasma is doing exactly.
2022-07-29 19:59:01	Feru	apparently its asking something.something.CanHibernate via dbus
2022-07-29 19:59:04	tirnanog	another experiment could be to log in to plasma with a new, throwaway user account and see if it still 'remembers'.
2022-07-29 19:59:27	Feru	hmm, good idea
2022-07-29 19:59:34	tirnanog	masking isn't the same thing as actually telling systemd that hibernation shouldn't be allowed.
2022-07-29 19:59:47	tirnanog	so I wouldn't use the masking method to begin with.
2022-07-29 20:01:49	tirnanog	it comes across as a hack propagated by those that haven't read sleep.conf(5).
2022-07-29 20:03:39	Feru	a brand new user account also has the hibernate option
2022-07-29 20:04:37	Feru	just for the record /proc/cmdline definitely has no resume option, and I removed it from mkinitcpio.conf as well. That was all I did to enable it.
2022-07-29 20:08:43	Feru	when I query org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanHibernate as root, it says "yes"
2022-07-29 20:09:24	tirnanog	I would just turn it off and move on.
2022-07-29 20:09:42	Feru	wait I can change that?
2022-07-29 20:09:49	tirnanog	it was in my very first response.
2022-07-29 20:10:18	tirnanog	masking a unit doesn't amount to configuration.
2022-07-29 20:11:55	tirnanog	if that doesn't work, I'll be worried.
2022-07-29 20:12:31	jackalope	Afternoon all, how can I configure rEFInd to execute a transient bootloader or execute two things?  I'd like to run PowerMonkey (pre-boot undervolting tool that runs as an EFI binary) before I actually execute boot.
2022-07-29 20:13:26	tirnanog	Feru: man systemd-sleep.conf has more details.
2022-07-29 20:14:16	Feru	I thought I could change that dbus value
2022-07-29 20:14:32	tirnanog	you change it by setting a configuration policy that defines what you want.
2022-07-29 20:14:56	Feru	tirnanog, that sleep.conf.d/local.conf change worked. But I still feel like I don't understand what's going on
2022-07-29 20:15:34	tirnanog	Feru: that being said, I am also surprised at the account of the button not appearing in plasma until now. technically, org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanHibernate should always have been "yes" up until now.
2022-07-29 20:15:41	Feru	I don't like when stuff changes that I cannot change back.
2022-07-29 20:15:41	tirnanog	Feru: maybe it's just some silly bug.
2022-07-29 20:16:33	Feru	I assumed hibernate was never there because I didn't bother setting up a swap partition when I first installed the system.
2022-07-29 20:16:53	Feru	I quickly learned why swap partitions are a good idea, and got me one.
2022-07-29 20:17:01	tirnanog	was that swap added recently?
2022-07-29 20:17:08	Feru	yes
2022-07-29 20:17:19	tirnanog	maybe that's the answer then. obviously you can't hibernate without swap.
2022-07-29 20:17:25	Edu4rdSHL	Feru, if you have swap then you can hibernate and the option will be available
2022-07-29 20:17:32	tirnanog	you never asked for hibernation to be disabled, then you added a swap.
2022-07-29 20:17:39	tirnanog	making hibernation possible.
2022-07-29 20:17:53	Feru	that... makes a lot of sense
2022-07-29 20:17:54	tirnanog	makes sense to me.
2022-07-29 20:18:11	Feru	I got confused because I went from no swap -> swapfile -> swap partition
2022-07-29 20:18:20	Feru	it probably detects that there is a partition now, and assumes it can hibernate
2022-07-29 20:18:33	tirnanog	yeah. well, it can be done with swapfiles but it's a pain in the backside.
2022-07-29 20:18:43	Edu4rdSHL	Even if you don't have the resume= parameter systemd is smart enough to know that there's swap and hibernation is possible
2022-07-29 20:18:47	tirnanog	not that it matters if it doesn't work, lol.
2022-07-29 20:19:27	Feru	Edu4rdSHL, really? But without resume= your session will be lost. 
2022-07-29 20:19:43	tirnanog	sure, resume= is meaningful to the kernel.
2022-07-29 20:20:18	tirnanog	I believe the point is that it's not a factor in whether hibernating is deemed possible.
2022-07-29 20:21:04	Feru	Yeah. I had resume= in there and it still didn't work because the gpu could not resume
2022-07-29 20:22:53	Feru	Anyways, thanks a lot. I'll go read about systemd-sleep.conf now
2022-07-29 20:23:36	tirnanog	just to add that you can safely undo the masking hack at this point.
2022-07-29 20:23:42	Feru	I di
2022-07-29 20:23:46	Feru	+d
2022-07-29 20:24:08	Feru	Also: "By default any power-saving mode is advertised if possible (i.e. the kernel supports that mode, the necessary resources are available)"
2022-07-29 20:24:21	Feru	the necessary resources being a swap partition
2022-07-29 20:24:30	Feru	so it all makes sense now
2022-07-29 20:24:35	tirnanog	right. it makes sense that it's default stance is to be all things to all people.
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2022-07-29 20:31:51	river	damn im confused
2022-07-29 20:31:54	river	i cant figure out how to get sound
2022-07-29 20:31:57	river	it was working yesterday
2022-07-29 20:32:16	river	i installed heluvm and qpwgraph and i have no idea how to just change my volume or anything
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2022-07-29 20:33:01	Namarrgon	i didn't have sound since i switched to linux in '98
2022-07-29 20:33:10	Namarrgon	you'll get used to it
2022-07-29 20:33:20	river	haha
2022-07-29 20:34:36	teraflops	river: for what do you need helvum?
2022-07-29 20:35:47	Elodin	what could this kernel error be caused by? https://termbin.com/smln
2022-07-29 20:36:25	river	helvum is useless to me
2022-07-29 20:36:32	Elodin	Does Call Trace: nouveau_gem_object_close mean nouvau's fault?
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2022-07-29 20:37:15	Namarrgon	is this the first trace in the kernel log?
2022-07-29 20:37:30	river	i dont get this I installed pauvcontrol and pipewire-pulse and relogged in but pavucontrol cant connect
2022-07-29 20:37:43	Elodin	Namarrgon: yes, then it just rebooted
2022-07-29 20:37:44	Namarrgon	Elodin: oh, this is the wrong channel anyway, try #manjaro next door
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2022-07-29 20:40:00	Namarrgon	river: whta does 'systemctl --user' return?
2022-07-29 20:40:17	river	https://bpa.st/BUFQ
2022-07-29 20:40:17	phrik	Title: View paste BUFQ (at bpa.st)
2022-07-29 20:40:33	Namarrgon	nobody asked you to grep the output
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2022-07-29 20:45:37	predicament	i wish arch worked with arm64
2022-07-29 20:45:46	predicament	manjaro does.
2022-07-29 20:46:09	predicament	i think i might just settle at this point
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2022-07-29 20:54:32	teraflops	predicament: manjaro forked arch linux arm project same way they did with arch linux, am I right?
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2022-07-29 20:54:55	predicament	i dont know
2022-07-29 20:54:57	MacGyver	teraflops: Not exactly, afaik; manjaro treats ARM as a distro-supported thing.
2022-07-29 20:55:03	predicament	^
2022-07-29 20:55:07	teraflops	pinephone?
2022-07-29 20:55:14	predicament	rpi4b
2022-07-29 20:55:27	MacGyver	teraflops: And I can confirm second-hand that at least the RPi4 works with manjaro but doesn't with ALARM, or at least, that was the case about 6 months ago.
2022-07-29 20:55:29	predicament	arm64
2022-07-29 20:55:36	teraflops	I run arch linux arm in my pinephone not manajro arm
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2022-07-29 20:55:49	predicament	im not using a pinephone
2022-07-29 20:55:50	teraflops	ah good to know they get things done
2022-07-29 20:55:51	MacGyver	The issue is specific to the RPi4 though, afaik.
2022-07-29 20:55:53	predicament	thank you for that though
2022-07-29 20:56:02	predicament	yes
2022-07-29 20:56:03	predicament	it is
2022-07-29 20:56:14	predicament	it's 64 bit
2022-07-29 20:56:26	predicament	a lot of 32 bit arch doesnt work
2022-07-29 20:56:38	predicament	bir arch. apps.
2022-07-29 20:56:39	predicament	sorry
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2022-07-29 20:56:54	predicament	bir = not
2022-07-29 20:56:55	predicament	typo
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2022-07-29 20:57:26	cc0a3hr	do you think deleting ~/.cache safe?
2022-07-29 20:57:35	MacGyver	predicament: That's the extent of the "support" you're gonna get here though.
2022-07-29 20:57:37	predicament	define safe.
2022-07-29 20:57:41	predicament	yeah i know
2022-07-29 20:57:44	predicament	i was just saying.
2022-07-29 20:57:48	cc0a3hr	don't broke my system
2022-07-29 20:57:49	predicament	sometimes, every once in awhile
2022-07-29 20:57:54	predicament	someone that uses it sees what i say
2022-07-29 20:58:02	predicament	and they say something that helps, so i always try
2022-07-29 20:58:09	◣	britney (~britney@2607:fea8:f21:3800::2bf2) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2022-07-29 20:58:11	predicament	never know what something can lead you to
2022-07-29 20:58:27	predicament	and it shouldn't break your system
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2022-07-29 20:58:50	cc0a3hr	hmm
2022-07-29 20:58:50	MacGyver	cc0a3hr: Why do you want to delete ~/.cache in its entirety?
2022-07-29 20:58:51	Edu4rdSHL	cc0a3hr, it will not break your system for sure
2022-07-29 20:59:00	Edu4rdSHL	But the question is why you want to do that
2022-07-29 20:59:00	predicament	you'd have to do a lot of rebuilding, a lot of apps would have to be used
2022-07-29 20:59:05	cc0a3hr	it is basically 10 GB my cache folder
2022-07-29 20:59:07	cc0a3hr	I want to clean
2022-07-29 20:59:15	predicament	you should use a hook
2022-07-29 20:59:19	predicament	clean packages
2022-07-29 20:59:20	Edu4rdSHL	See which app is using that space
2022-07-29 20:59:23	MacGyver	cc0a3hr: (nc)du, see what uses that much, clear out its cache.
2022-07-29 20:59:36	MacGyver	Scalpels, not chainsaws.
2022-07-29 20:59:41	predicament	clear the stuff thats taking up the most space
2022-07-29 20:59:48	dav1d	> 30G	/home/dav1d/.cache
2022-07-29 20:59:48	dav1d	oof
2022-07-29 20:59:53	predicament	lol
2022-07-29 20:59:55	teraflops	gdu is a think too and it's faster
2022-07-29 21:00:08	teraflops	thing^
2022-07-29 21:00:27	predicament	36 GB for me
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2022-07-29 21:00:41	predicament	on my laptop
2022-07-29 21:01:02	cc0a3hr	I cleaned
2022-07-29 21:01:09	cc0a3hr	yeah, lets hope not something broke
2022-07-29 21:01:16	predicament	i mean it can
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2022-07-29 21:01:22	predicament	but its probably fine
2022-07-29 21:01:34	predicament	you should clean packages with a pacman hook
2022-07-29 21:01:44	Edu4rdSHL	What
2022-07-29 21:01:52	MacGyver	predicament: Note ~/.cache.
2022-07-29 21:01:53	Edu4rdSHL	How's that related to .cache storage?
2022-07-29 21:02:01	MacGyver	predicament: Nothing to do with pacman whatsoever, ever.
2022-07-29 21:02:02	predicament	its not.
2022-07-29 21:02:05	cc0a3hr	no need for hook or automating stuff
2022-07-29 21:02:06	predicament	but
2022-07-29 21:02:11	cc0a3hr	I will just clean once a while 
2022-07-29 21:02:14	predicament	you could do that if it's on the same partition
2022-07-29 21:02:15	predicament	etc
2022-07-29 21:02:16	predicament	thats all
2022-07-29 21:02:21	predicament	i dont know your setup
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2022-07-29 21:02:39	predicament	i was just saying a pacman hook is pretty good for that
2022-07-29 21:03:07	predicament	it cleans all the packages you use and leaves two packages that were there before for backup basically
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2022-07-29 21:03:15	predicament	so it has something from the previous clean
2022-07-29 21:03:34	Edu4rdSHL	predicament, and all that is not related to the current user problem
2022-07-29 21:03:40	predicament	wh
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2022-07-29 21:06:12	MacGyver	predicament: Your statements can be (and were) read as "you can get pacman to do this for you".
2022-07-29 21:06:21	predicament	fair enough
2022-07-29 21:06:33	predicament	i should clarify, just getting the system cleaned up.
2022-07-29 21:06:41	predicament	is that better?
2022-07-29 21:06:58	predicament	with a couple of hooks
2022-07-29 21:07:20	predicament	and i know its' not the home directory.  but he hasn't said that strictly, has he?  im not sure
2022-07-29 21:07:34	Edu4rdSHL	> do you think deleting ~/.cache safe?
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2022-07-29 21:07:43	predicament	is that all you're hoping to delete?
2022-07-29 21:07:53	Edu4rdSHL	...
2022-07-29 21:07:53	predicament	or were
2022-07-29 21:07:54	Edu4rdSHL	!bail
2022-07-29 21:07:55	phrik	Looks like Edu4rdSHL is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-07-29 21:07:57	predicament	lmao
2022-07-29 21:08:01	predicament	LOL
2022-07-29 21:08:09	predicament	thats funny
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2022-07-29 21:08:25	Namarrgon	it's probably wiser to stop now
2022-07-29 21:08:47	predicament	i was done until you said that :P  but yeah im not really in any mood to say anything more anyway
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2022-07-29 21:10:15	teraflops	there's /usr/lib/systemd/system/paccache.timer in pacman-contrib
2022-07-29 21:10:25	predicament	^
2022-07-29 21:10:54	predicament	1 aur/paccache-hook 1.1.0-1 [+22 ~0.07] [Installed]
2022-07-29 21:10:54	predicament	    A configurable hook to cleanup the pacman package cache using paccache
2022-07-29 21:11:17	predicament	thats all i meant.
2022-07-29 21:11:20	predicament	!bail
2022-07-29 21:11:20	phrik	Looks like predicament is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-07-29 21:11:45	teraflops	!fight hook timer
2022-07-29 21:11:46	phrik	hook
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2022-07-30 17:52:36	meskarune	fc-list doesn't see any of my fonts in /home/meskarune/.local/fonts even after I did fc-cache
2022-07-30 17:57:23	meskarune	I did fc-cache -r and now it sees thouse files
2022-07-30 17:59:42	bluetail	I did copy a file to my smbshare
2022-07-30 17:59:54	bluetail	then I did extract it and now the folder is readprotected
2022-07-30 18:00:17	bluetail	https://pastebot.rmdir.de/n5RJIQdUpimPktQ15Zfdxg
2022-07-30 18:00:40	bluetail	How can I fix this?
2022-07-30 18:00:53	bluetail	I cannot delete files now
2022-07-30 18:01:33	bluetail	I just want to understand what had happened here
2022-07-30 18:11:40	Namarrgon	bluetail: who is the owner of the files and what are the permissions?
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2022-07-30 18:18:40	macrobat	I'm installing on a new ssd. before I partition, how do I know if my old 2009 motherboard supports booting GPT?
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2022-07-30 18:19:14	Namarrgon	you mean in legacy mode?
2022-07-30 18:19:27	bluetail	Namarrgon, no clue. I copied the file from Windows over SMB to the drive. On the ARCH installation, the user "def" has read/write access and so has the user "def" of the group "sambashare"
2022-07-30 18:19:46	bluetail	Do you think that the problem is that file transfer from windows to linux or something?
2022-07-30 18:19:55	Namarrgon	maybe but post the ls -l output
2022-07-30 18:20:49	bluetail	by the way... chkdsk d: /f on windows fixed it temporarily
2022-07-30 18:20:49	bluetail	its just annoying that it keeps happening during runtime
2022-07-30 18:20:49	macrobat	I'm not sure what legacy mode means exactly. I only see links on how to check for legacy on windows, which I don't have on that machine
2022-07-30 18:20:49	bluetail	the files were not deletable on windows before as it says they were corrupted
2022-07-30 18:20:55	bluetail	It were only the files I run the "unzip" command on
2022-07-30 18:21:43	bluetail	Namarrgon, https://pastebot.rmdir.de/xAWgYYIIrlwHIpaCC6ZbTw
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2022-07-30 18:22:07	Repentinus	Your motherboard does not care about the partition table, macrobat. If you are using BIOS (not UEFI), it simply looks for the boot loader in the first sector of the disk. As long as you have a GPT-capable bootloader, such as GRUB 2, installed there, you're good.
2022-07-30 18:22:10	Namarrgon	macrobat: if you mean UEFI mode then it must support GPT any way
2022-07-30 18:22:53	macrobat	not uefi. do I need UEFI too?
2022-07-30 18:23:05	Namarrgon	windows is not installed in UEFI mode?
2022-07-30 18:23:35	Namarrgon	"alt+r" "sysinfo" -> BIOS MODE
2022-07-30 18:23:41	Namarrgon	*"win+r"
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2022-07-30 18:25:03	Repentinus	It probably is a BIOS-only system.
2022-07-30 18:25:04	Scimmia	there are a few out there that won't boot from GPT, but not all that many
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2022-07-30 18:25:22	Scimmia	No way to know without trying it, though
2022-07-30 18:25:23	macrobat	I don't have windows. using a windows laptop ATM, reinstalling arch on another machine
2022-07-30 18:25:31	macrobat	trial and error?
2022-07-30 18:25:36	Repentinus	Aye.
2022-07-30 18:25:43	Scimmia	odds are that it'll be fine
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2022-07-30 18:27:12	macrobat	anyway, this was what I was reading https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Partitioning#Troubleshooting
2022-07-30 18:27:13	phrik	Title: Partitioning - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-07-30 18:28:27	Scimmia	you're worrying about something that's very unlikely to be an issue. Go for it, then worry about it if it comes up
2022-07-30 18:29:40	macrobat	I wouldn't have considered GPT if man fdisk hadn't recommended it. will see
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2022-07-30 18:44:34	tatsumaru	lol, just found a decent bug in chromium. 'Inspect' doesn't focus on the specific element but opens developer tools from top.
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2022-07-30 19:21:51	mattf	why is the AUR showing the wrong version in the title if i updated the PKGBUILD and SRCINFO
2022-07-30 19:21:53	mattf	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/curl-impersonate-bin
2022-07-30 19:21:55	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - curl-impersonate-bin (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-07-30 19:22:48	mattf	oh it is just cache
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2022-07-30 19:23:02	mattf	nvm
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2022-07-30 19:54:10	yimo16	Hello! Is there a way to scroll up in a TTY? I did `` ls /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/**/*.map.gz `` and the first-most lines are not showing, and I want to have a look at them for example. Shift + PageUp doesn't seem to work (following the installation guide)
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2022-07-30 19:56:45	baltazar	yimo16: you could pipe it to a pager like less, or use something like screen or tmux
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2022-07-30 19:58:23	jmcantrell	https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-5.9-Drops-Soft-Scrollback
2022-07-30 19:58:24	phrik	Title: Linux 5.9 Dropping Soft Scrollback Support From FB + VGA Console Code - Phoronix (at www.phoronix.com)
2022-07-30 19:59:22	yimo16	Got it, I'll use a pager then. Thanks all 3!
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2022-07-31 09:23:58	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-07-31 07:25:44	lolok	they keep trying but they just cant kill me
2022-07-31 07:27:13	ThebloodOFart	So that's what it must feel like to be married for 50+ years 
2022-07-31 07:34:30	lolok	maybe, ask me in 20 years, if im still not dead
2022-07-31 07:40:44	ThebloodOFart	Well see
2022-07-31 09:12:59	shadowless	Dotz0cat: such a good choice. my foreground is #FBBBC9 pretty close
2022-07-31 09:23:59	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-31 10:08:20	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-07-31 10:08:20	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-31 15:56:41	powftw	For me, in my Linux system where I have 2 Linux containers, hopscotch, something else also running. How can Kuberneties help here?
2022-07-31 15:57:01	fweht	i successfully installed arch dozens of times but only on bios-based machines, now i tried for the first time with uefi-boot on a microsoft surface v1 and while the bootloader seems to work, it cant boot into the system (no bootable system found) :((  what did i do wrong?
2022-07-31 15:57:19	jelle	powftw: kubernetes isn't for a single system...
2022-07-31 15:57:27	jelle	powftw: so back to wikipedida for you :)
2022-07-31 15:58:40	powftw	Okay 
2022-07-31 15:59:16	powftw	Do i have to learn if my usecase isn't there as mentioned?
2022-07-31 16:01:53	jelle	is this a real question? :)
2022-07-31 16:07:36	Scimmia	fweht: what bootloader?
2022-07-31 16:08:05	fweht	Scimmia: systemd-boot but i think i found my mistake!
2022-07-31 16:08:21	fweht	had no loader files
2022-07-31 16:09:11	Scimmia	it should still load, just not give you an option to boot Arch
2022-07-31 16:09:24	fweht	Scimmia: should it boot into the system?
2022-07-31 16:09:37	Scimmia	it should load the systemd-boot menu
2022-07-31 16:09:58	fweht	yes this worked
2022-07-31 16:10:03	fweht	but then it couldnt boot the system
2022-07-31 16:10:22	Scimmia	alright then
2022-07-31 16:13:23	fweht	my partitions have no label, do i need a label to do `root="LABEL=mylabel"`?
2022-07-31 16:14:51	Scimmia	yes; if you don't have a LABEL, just use UUID or something
2022-07-31 16:15:38	fweht	Scimmia: thanks!!
2022-07-31 16:25:07	yamii	hello
2022-07-31 16:28:10	yamii	Guess I screwed up pretty bad. Changed my GPU from ATI to Nvidia, booted, installed driver, rebooted, nvidia module did not load, realized I have pending updates, including kernel, did update, reboot, linux did not boot, ralized there is an issue with nvidia and 5.18 kernels, rebooted, tried to edit cmdline via systemd-boot, but USB keyboard was not recognized anymore. Have some Ps2 keyboard
2022-07-31 16:28:10	yamii	now, tried to edit cmdline and add 
2022-07-31 16:28:10	yamii	ibt=off but linux also didn't load with that. Now I wanted to boot a live env to rollback updates/check logs but UEFi does not recognize ANY usb devices
2022-07-31 16:28:35	yamii	currenly looking around UEFI shell and looking for support to get USB working again for UEFI
2022-07-31 16:28:58	arjab	progandy Not solved yet. But that means as long as libva.so is a dependency, vaapi will be enabled during build?
2022-07-31 16:29:03	yamii	I tried playing around with the UEFI cmds, but not really sure where to start
2022-07-31 16:29:15	progandy	arjab: I believe so
2022-07-31 16:29:48	yamii	devices does list the usb host controller but not any connected USB devices
2022-07-31 16:30:01	yamii	map does not list any onnected USB storage devices
2022-07-31 16:31:20	yamii	btw, generally USB seems to work, as in linux I can press ctrl+alt+end to reboot
2022-07-31 16:31:43	yamii	Linux hangs while loading systemd, but no output, just hang
2022-07-31 16:32:05	yamii	So how fckd am I? :(
2022-07-31 16:33:02	Scimmia	yamii: it sounds like you're loading the wrong kernel. Was /boot mounted when you updated?
2022-07-31 16:33:16	yamii	Yes, it was
2022-07-31 16:33:42	yamii	I can access the boot part from UEFi and tried to manually load the (what I believe to be the correct one) the kernel
2022-07-31 16:34:26	Scimmia	the firmware not seeing any USB devices ... I don't know what to do with that
2022-07-31 16:35:01	yamii	UEFI shell offers ways to fiddle with the drivers, but this is way beyond me :(
2022-07-31 16:35:32	Namarrgon	does that system have a separate /boot fs?
2022-07-31 16:35:43	yamii	yes
2022-07-31 16:35:52	Namarrgon	which kernel version does it contain?
2022-07-31 16:36:19	yamii	previously 5.18.12 I think, then upddated to current (.15?)
2022-07-31 16:36:40	Namarrgon	run 'file' on vmlinuz-linux
2022-07-31 16:37:09	yamii	file is not recognized
2022-07-31 16:37:14	yamii	I'm in UEFI shell
2022-07-31 16:37:27	Namarrgon	you can't fix this from the uefi shell, boot some linux
2022-07-31 16:37:35	yamii	I can't
2022-07-31 16:37:45	Namarrgon	buy a new computer then
2022-07-31 16:37:55	meskarune	There is a package for speakup screenreader utilities but not a package for speakup itself
2022-07-31 16:38:14	meskarune	is speakup part of the linux kernel or is that project dead?
2022-07-31 16:38:29	yamii	UEFI does not recognize any USB devices and so I can't boot any live images, I have no optical drive and the installed linux does not boot
2022-07-31 16:38:37	Scimmia	meskarune: espeakup
2022-07-31 16:38:39	Namarrgon	meskarune: espeakup is still in the repos
2022-07-31 16:38:40	fweht	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFISTUB following this instruction, is PARTUUID the same as UUID in my fstab?
2022-07-31 16:38:42	phrik	Title: EFISTUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-31 16:38:55	Namarrgon	fweht: no, they are separate things
2022-07-31 16:39:02	fweht	Namarrgon: thank you!
2022-07-31 16:39:20	Namarrgon	yamii: the PARTUUID is a feature of the partition table, the UUID is usually provided by the filessytem
2022-07-31 16:39:36	Namarrgon	fweht: ^
2022-07-31 16:39:53	yamii	Don't get my hopes up xD
2022-07-31 16:39:59	Namarrgon	yamii: you have no other OS installed?
2022-07-31 16:40:08	fweht	Namarrgon: thanks so much
2022-07-31 16:40:45	yamii	There is a Windows
2022-07-31 16:40:56	meskarune	https://github.com/linux-speakup/espeakup it says you have to setup speakup separately
2022-07-31 16:41:04	meskarune	"This program should be run after speakup is set up to communicate with a software synthesizer and after /dev/softsynth exists."
2022-07-31 16:41:28	yamii	but not sure how that is going to help
2022-07-31 16:41:31	Namarrgon	yamii: is secureboot enabled?
2022-07-31 16:41:35	yamii	nope
2022-07-31 16:42:09	meskarune	the website for linux-speakup is down for me, but their github https://github.com/linux-speakup/speakup says its a linux kernel module.
2022-07-31 16:42:38	jelle	meskarune: what do you want to achieve?
2022-07-31 16:43:06	meskarune	Oh it looks like it might be installed by default on arch
2022-07-31 16:43:10	meskarune	/usr/lib/modules/5.15.55-2-lts/build/drivers/accessibility/speakup
2022-07-31 16:44:18	meskarune	jelle: I use screen reading on my android device alot and wanted to have it on my laptop. I have mimic text to speech that works if I paste text for it to say, but screenreaders where you can click on something and have it talk would be helpful.
2022-07-31 16:45:50	Scimmia	meskarune: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_with_accessibility_options
2022-07-31 16:45:51	phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux with accessibility options - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-07-31 16:47:04	jelle	Scimmia: but arch is already installed :o
2022-07-31 16:51:11	yamii	Namarrgon: I can read the ext4 partitions from Windows, but not sure how that will help
2022-07-31 16:54:56	meskarune	omg mimic's speach synth sounds so much better than espeak's
2022-07-31 16:55:58	fweht	i used the `efibootmgr` command to create an entry but i think i made a mistake, could it be that 2 entries were created?
2022-07-31 16:56:16	fweht	there is a Linux Boot Manager entry and an Arch Linux entry, is it safe to delete both and create a new one?
2022-07-31 16:56:54	Scimmia	installing systemd-boot generally does that for you
2022-07-31 16:57:40	Scimmia	you probably just want to remove the Arch Linux one, the other is the one systemd-boot created
2022-07-31 16:57:49	fweht	could it be that one entry is from systemd-boot and the other one from efibootmgr?
2022-07-31 16:58:21	fweht	generally i just borrowed a ms surface that i want to use for a week and then return it to its original state, so i want to make sure to not break anything
2022-07-31 16:58:43	fweht	installing arch linux on external hard drive
2022-07-31 16:58:48	fweht	Scimmia: thanks!
2022-07-31 17:00:05	Scimmia	remember, that entry is in the firmware's storage, though, so it'll need to be deleted separately. Some firmwares will automatically delete it if it doesn't exist, which would clean it up for you.
2022-07-31 17:01:42	yamii	Namarrgon: cygwins file reports for vmlinuz "Linux kernel boot executable"
2022-07-31 17:06:31	meskarune	Scimmia: it sseems that speech to text only works in tty and only up until I login for some reason.
2022-07-31 17:07:12	Namarrgon	yamii: add -k if file is an old version
2022-07-31 17:08:40	yamii	Will do so shortly, currently trying if systemd emergency.unit or rescue. unit will get me in a linux
2022-07-31 17:08:41	arjab	progandy Apparently ffmpeg's autodetect enabled vaapi when libva.so and va.h are present, which get pulled as a dependency as the libva package. So as long as this package is a dependency of ffmpg, vaaapi gets enabled.
2022-07-31 17:10:24	Namarrgon	yamii: you want to figure out how to boot a live system
2022-07-31 17:11:30	yamii	emergency.target did also not boot, still hanging at "Starting version 251.3-1-arch"
2022-07-31 17:12:01	yamii	Yes, I think that would be the best idea
2022-07-31 17:12:46	yamii	currently booting windows again and will then check file -k
2022-07-31 17:17:50	yamii	Namarrgon: -k reports "Linux kernel x86 boot executable bzImage, version 5.18.15-arch1-1, RO-rootFS, swap_dev OXA, Normal VGA- DOS/MBR boot sector- PE32+ executable (EFI application) x86-64 (stripped to external PDB), for MS Windows data"
2022-07-31 17:21:54	fweht	`ERROR: device 'PARTUIID=...' not found. Skipping fsck.`  what could be the problem?  i just double checked, the UUID is correct.  could it be that booting from an external drive is different?  (the partition is a partition of the external drive)
2022-07-31 17:24:27	Scimmia	fweht: You gave it the correct PARTUUID, not the UUID?
2022-07-31 17:24:39	fweht	sorry yes i meant PARTUUID
2022-07-31 17:24:44	fweht	its the correct one
2022-07-31 17:24:56	Scimmia	try the fallback initramfs
2022-07-31 17:25:14	fweht	ok, but external drive should not be a problem per se?
2022-07-31 17:25:44	Scimmia	only if the drivers aren't in the initramfs
2022-07-31 17:26:06	fweht	i see, thanks!
2022-07-31 17:27:52	fweht	Scimmia: the PARTUUID should be of the boot partition, not the root partition, right?
2022-07-31 17:28:12	Scimmia	root= should be the root partition
2022-07-31 17:28:23	fweht	ooooh thats the problem then!
2022-07-31 17:30:17	yamii	I will try systemd.debug-shell=1 cmdline param next
2022-07-31 17:31:44	yamii	also nothing :(
2022-07-31 17:34:55	fweht	Scimmia: thanks again so much, now its working :)))
2022-07-31 17:35:10	Scimmia	nice!
2022-07-31 17:35:44	fweht	surprised that no  major driver issues with the ms surface so farr
2022-07-31 17:35:47	kuhilas	any tips how to get video playback working something is wrong. I have 20 minutes is it too short time
2022-07-31 17:36:04	NetSysFire	!moar context
2022-07-31 17:36:04	phrik	moaarrr context!!! MMMOOOOOAAAAAARRRRRRR!!!
2022-07-31 17:36:08	kuhilas	it hasnt't worked for long but nov only device to watch women final
2022-07-31 17:36:24	kuhilas	reinstall ffmpeg and what else can i try
2022-07-31 17:36:38	NetSysFire	what player are you even using?
2022-07-31 17:37:21	jelle	kuhilas: don't worry, germany will win
2022-07-31 17:37:38	yamii	Namarrgon: do you know whether I could use the Windows boot mgr to boot a live env? So basically systemd-boot -> windows boot mgr -> live env?
2022-07-31 17:38:40	kuhilas	mpv, but this final i watch from areena.yle.fi
2022-07-31 17:39:23	Namarrgon	yamii: no idea
2022-07-31 17:46:36	alad	did germany lose in the first round yet
2022-07-31 17:50:53	meskarune	jelle: I ended up making a quick script to speak the last thing from my clipboard https://gist.github.com/meskarune/74db00b47293a7bcc038f90871002706
2022-07-31 17:51:58	meskarune	now anytime I mouse select text I can push a keyboard shortcut to have it said out loud.
2022-07-31 17:56:38	MacGyver	That gives new meaning to clipboard accidents.
2022-07-31 17:56:49	MacGyver	Aich tee tee pee colon slash slash double-you double-you double-you dot pee ooo arr enn aich...
2022-07-31 17:57:28	yamii	Namarrgon: Tried adding an entry via bcdedit, but that also didn't work. Maybe I could enlarge the /boot partition from Windows and put an extracted arch iso there and then use the UEFI shell to boot that somehow?
2022-07-31 17:57:40	meskarune	I couldn't think of a better way to have it speak text under the mouse on a keypress haha
2022-07-31 17:58:05	Namarrgon	yamii: figure out how to boot it directly from the firmware, that will you serve better in the long term
2022-07-31 17:59:06	yamii	The question is what to boot - the installed linux does not work and as UEFI does not recognize USB devices I can't boot a USB live env
2022-07-31 17:59:49	MacGyver	UEFI does not recognize USB devices -> that may be a case of simply turning the right UEFI options on (or off).
2022-07-31 18:00:06	yamii	Checked that and also did a reset via removing the battery
2022-07-31 18:00:23	yamii	"USB legacy mode" it is I think, but that is enabled
2022-07-31 18:00:42	MacGyver	There's also an option to defer USB initialization to the OS, iirc.
2022-07-31 18:00:46	MacGyver	That may need to be turned off.
2022-07-31 18:00:54	MacGyver	My recent two ASrock mainboards had that.
2022-07-31 18:01:22	yamii	There are a few xHCI related entries, but none of that has any effect
2022-07-31 18:01:26	MacGyver	How did you install arch in the first place if it doesn't boot from USB devices?
2022-07-31 18:01:34	MacGyver	Recalling that could help?
2022-07-31 18:02:06	yamii	[16:28:13] <yamii> Guess I screwed up pretty bad. Changed my GPU from ATI to Nvidia, booted, installed driver, rebooted, nvidia module did not load, realized I have pending updates, including kernel, did update, reboot, linux did not boot, ralized there is an issue with nvidia and 5.18 kernels, rebooted, tried to edit cmdline via systemd-boot, but USB keyboard was not recognized anymore. Have
2022-07-31 18:02:06	yamii	some Ps2 keyboard now, tried to edit 
2022-07-31 18:02:06	yamii	cmdline and add ibt=off but linux also didn't load with that. Now I wanted to boot a live env to rollback updates/check logs but UEFi does not recognize ANY usb devices
2022-07-31 18:02:34	MacGyver	Put the ATI GPU back.
2022-07-31 18:02:40	MacGyver	Not even kidding.
2022-07-31 18:02:47	MacGyver	See what happens.
2022-07-31 18:03:08	yamii	Not sure what that will change when not even systemd will do anything though :(
2022-07-31 18:03:21	yamii	Linux tries to start but hangs at systemd init
2022-07-31 18:03:47	MacGyver	Yeah but it might turn out to be able to boot from USB devices again then.
2022-07-31 18:03:50	yamii	"Starting version 251.3-1-arch"
2022-07-31 18:03:56	MacGyver	And yeah, that's far-fetched, but:
2022-07-31 18:04:11	MacGyver	My mainboard won't load the UEFI firmware interface if there's a screen hooked up to the second GPU.
2022-07-31 18:04:19	MacGyver	Detach that screen and the UEFI interface loads.
2022-07-31 18:04:27	MacGyver	Firmwares *suck*.
2022-07-31 18:04:48	MacGyver	Hence: See if it manages to detect USB devices again when you swap the cards back.
2022-07-31 18:05:59	megumin	> error during AUR search: response decoding failed: json: cannot unmarshal number into Go value of type aur.response
2022-07-31 18:06:01	yamii	That is going to be a PITA because reaching the PCI "lock" but I will try that as well
2022-07-31 18:06:19	megumin	wtf with yay?
2022-07-31 18:06:55	ugjka	aur changed their json schema?
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2022-07-31 18:31:06	linuxuser	which is better idea? dual boot windows and arch or run windows in qemu on arch?
2022-07-31 18:31:25	jonathon	!give linuxuser best
2022-07-31 18:31:26	phrik	linuxuser: Use whatever suits _you_ best.
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2022-07-31 18:42:51	yamii	Namarrgon: I'm finally in a live env, FUCK YEAH
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2022-07-31 18:43:08	teraflops	🎸
2022-07-31 18:43:12	yamii	but its only puppy linux, as /boot cannot hold arch (only 512MB)
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2022-07-31 18:44:07	yamii	I copied extracted puppy to /boot -> EFI shell -> boot puppy -> grub -> specify linux and initrd -> boot
2022-07-31 18:44:38	yamii	Now what? :D
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2022-07-31 18:45:38	yamii	btw wasn't there an arch minimal iso some time ago?
2022-07-31 18:46:43	mpan	yamii: you may mean Neatboot: <https://archlinux.org/releng/netboot/>, <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Netboot>.
2022-07-31 18:46:44	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Netboot (at archlinux.org)
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2022-07-31 18:51:05	glitsj16	linuxuser: i personally dual boot between linuxes, but according to https://www.howtogeek.com/821515/its-time-to-stop-dual-booting-linux-and-windows/ you can expect some extra problems from the windows side, just sharing the info without any experience etcetera
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2022-07-31 18:55:29	yamii	Thanks mpan with this I finally have a proper live env
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2022-07-31 18:59:04	cyphertite	linuxuser:  why just limit yourself to dual boot?  Obviously running any OS from bare metal will deliver the best performance.  One, 100 MiB ESP, can easily launch Win 11, Arch, and a large number of other *nix flavors.  If you adapt that approach, each OS requires its own / and /boot partitions, but it is trivial to multi-OS boot, whether / and/or /boot are encrypted, or not :)
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2022-07-31 19:03:11	post-factum	what do i do with `mysql.connector.errors.ProgrammingError: Character set 'utf8' unsupported` error after `python-mysql-connector` upgrade from 8.0.29 to 8.0.30?
2022-07-31 19:03:24	teraflops	cyphertite: 100MB can barely host arch and windows
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2022-07-31 19:04:47	teraflops	at least if you put the kernel there
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2022-07-31 19:06:01	jkc	linuxuser: The optimal size, compatibility wise, is 512MiB.
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2022-07-31 19:09:30	cyphertite	teraflops:  I store all my kernels on /boot...see above for why I mentioned a separate /boot, where required.  100 MiB is sufficient
2022-07-31 19:10:03	teraflops	ah I missed that part sorry
2022-07-31 19:10:22	cyphertite	np
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2022-07-31 20:55:56	lastmikoi	thanks for setting the topic about keyring problems. It helped me out.
2022-07-31 20:55:58	lastmikoi	:)
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2022-07-31 21:05:53	yamii	Today I switched my GPU from ATI to Nvidia, but something seems off: I get only 10fps in CSGO. I followed the troubleshooting for Nvidia and also tried DRM modesetting, but that did not help. glxinfo reports "OpenGL renderer string: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660/PCIe/SSE2" so the GPU should be used
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2022-07-31 21:06:22	yamii	Any idea what could be the issue?
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2022-07-31 21:07:05	jelle	what driver are you using?
2022-07-31 21:07:32	yamii	nvidia, not open
2022-07-31 21:07:44	yamii	-open -nouvoue
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2022-07-31 21:08:34	yamii	so proprietary
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2022-07-31 21:11:14	CubeTheThird	When you say you switched, do you mean you removed an old GPU and put in a new one?
2022-07-31 21:11:34	yamii	Yes
2022-07-31 21:13:09	CubeTheThird	what GPU did you have before?
2022-07-31 21:13:20	yamii	AMD Radeon 6950HD
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2022-07-31 21:13:48	CubeTheThird	I trust you removed the old drivers for that?
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2022-07-31 21:14:17	yamii	Nothing to remove because kernel ships it, right?
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2022-07-31 21:14:32	yamii	only thing I removed was xf86-video-ati
2022-07-31 21:14:45	sheep	you might need to adjust stuff in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
2022-07-31 21:14:59	yamii	did, that via the nvidia-xsettings tool
2022-07-31 21:15:24	CubeTheThird	irrc older radeon gpus like that required installing certain amd drivers
2022-07-31 21:15:29	CubeTheThird	*iirc
2022-07-31 21:15:43	jelle	even so, how can they be loaded :-)
2022-07-31 21:16:01	sheep	is CSGO using opengl or vulkan?
2022-07-31 21:16:22	yamii	where can I check that?
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2022-07-31 21:16:37	sheep	I'm not sure
2022-07-31 21:16:49	sheep	I thought the nvidia drivers came with vulkan support
2022-07-31 21:16:56	CubeTheThird	I don't think they'd be loaded, but would they not come with xorg configs? ( I could be wrong about that)
2022-07-31 21:17:23	jelle	CubeTheThird: and then you can't start X
2022-07-31 21:17:32	CubeTheThird	👍 
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2022-07-31 21:18:43	Dotz0cat	Is there a easy trick to bulk rename files? some files of mine have a prefix I want to remove
2022-07-31 21:18:45	yamii	Nothing related to vulkan or opengl in the CSGo in-game settings or Steam CSGO settings
2022-07-31 21:19:06	jelle	Dotz0cat: there are utilities like `rename` for it
2022-07-31 21:19:17	tirnanog	Dotz0cat: what is the nature of the required transformation?
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2022-07-31 21:22:20	Dotz0cat	remove a prefix. like [prefix] name_of_file to name_of_file
2022-07-31 21:23:14	susi	see man rename, there's an example of that
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2022-07-31 21:28:22	yamii	Ah, the performance mode is set to auto and the card uses some clocked down values. I can change it in the settings to performance, but cannot save it
2022-07-31 21:28:26	tirnanog	Dotz0cat: defining the requirement ambiguously always makes it more difficult to offer meaningful guidance. if I were to take that literally, it might be something like: for f in '[prefix] '*; do echo mv -n "$f" "${f#* }"; done
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2022-07-31 21:29:06	tirnanog	(util-linux) rename is a weak tool as it just replaces substrings with little control. fine if that's what you want but it doesn't match "prefixes".
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2022-07-31 21:31:20	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-07-31 21:32:11	guesswhat	any idea how to persist mdadm raid ? ( mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=0 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb /dev/sdc ) /dev/md0 is unavailable after reboot. thanks
2022-07-31 21:32:19	tirnanog	I see that arch has perl-rename. that's rather more flexible.
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2022-08-01 15:01:21	grawity	number of times I had to restart wireplumber because it went into an infinite loop upon losing bluetooth connection
2022-08-01 15:01:43	grawity	number of times I had to physically power-cycle the bluetooth controller via uhubctl to get it to work again
2022-08-01 15:02:04	grawity	I should really stock up on wired earbuds before they disappear from the shelves lol
2022-08-01 16:28:39	Vorpal	grawity: sounds like a good idea hm
2022-08-01 16:28:47	Vorpal	maybe something for me too
2022-08-01 16:29:03	Foxboron	grawity: yeah I also see wireplumber being weird
2022-08-01 16:29:17	Vorpal	I don't think wired earphones will disappear, but earbuds? Quite possible.
2022-08-01 16:30:54	_merlin_	If I constantly pacman -S, should I expect things to break at some point / major change ?
2022-08-01 16:31:12	_merlin_	I mean, not minor bug, but structural changes, that require a fresh install
2022-08-01 16:32:29	Foxboron	Never
2022-08-01 16:35:55	nathan	some things may require manual intervention but a fresh install shouldn't ever be necessary
2022-08-01 16:36:05	nathan	the only time I had to fresh install was to move from i686 to x64
2022-08-01 16:36:13	travisghansen	anyone know if there's a proc/sys file which shows what fs a block device has (assuming it's formatted)?
2022-08-01 16:37:06	_merlin_	ok… but I have a system running without updating since 2018…. Am I too late to try to pacman -S it ?
2022-08-01 16:37:39	jelle	yes
2022-08-01 16:38:11	Vorpal	travisghansen: no, but the blkid command does what you want
2022-08-01 16:38:22	Deadly_Alive	whats the cut-off time jelle?
2022-08-01 16:38:30	jelle	Deadly_Alive: of what?
2022-08-01 16:38:44	Deadly_Alive	when you can no longer update
2022-08-01 16:39:08	jelle	Deadly_Alive: he didn't say update right?
2022-08-01 16:39:12	jelle	s/he/they/
2022-08-01 16:39:27	Namarrgon	you can -S <pkg> until you get a 404
2022-08-01 16:40:42	travisghansen	Vorpal: I'm currently using lsblk but it uses udev data (which is relatively undesirable for my specific use-case atm)...do you know by chance if blkid also uses udev data?
2022-08-01 16:41:35	Vorpal	no idea
2022-08-01 16:42:11	Vorpal	also /sys is built by udev in part afaik
2022-08-01 16:43:16	Vorpal	travisghansen: the other option is to run file -s on the block devices to try to detect the file systems. But at this point I rather suspect you are doing something weird that may or may not need to be done
2022-08-01 16:45:05	travisghansen	Vorpal: I maintain a storage plugin for kubernetes which does some pretty advanced stuff yes (and working in pretty strange container-ized environments)
2022-08-01 16:45:34	Vorpal	might not be an arch linux issue then really
2022-08-01 16:45:35	travisghansen	running strace on blkid doesn't seem to indicate reading udev data
2022-08-01 16:46:17	travisghansen	it's not arch specific no, but I use arch on my workstation for years and years and know some pretty smart people hang out around here :)
2022-08-01 16:46:37	Vorpal	it reads /run/blkid/blkid.tab according to the man page if it exists, otherwise it fetches new data in who knows what way
2022-08-01 16:47:16	Vorpal	the man page has more details
2022-08-01 16:47:31	travisghansen	right, I'll be digging deeper, thanks for the tips!
2022-08-01 16:55:04	chazy	does anyone here use systemd-networkd? i'm specifying a dns server in the config file but for some reason some programs such as `dig` don't pick up this dns server and instead i see an connection refused error to 127.0.0.1#53
2022-08-01 16:56:07	_merlin_	networkctl status
2022-08-01 16:57:29	chazy	i can see the dns i specified and as secondary the gateway/router
2022-08-01 16:57:37	artefact	do you use resolved?
2022-08-01 16:57:44	artefact	i think it listens on 127.0.0.53 by default
2022-08-01 16:57:49	chazy	ping and other programs such as web browsers resolve just fine, but dig doesn't
2022-08-01 16:58:05	chazy	yes i have the systemd-resolved service enable and running
2022-08-01 16:58:05	artefact	check with resolvectl and/or dig @127.0.0.53
2022-08-01 16:58:35	artefact	or just use resolvectl query, and not dig
2022-08-01 17:00:10	chazy	what i wanted to know is if it's a problem with dig or with my configuration
2022-08-01 17:00:56	susi	how is your hosts line in /etc/nsswitch.conf
2022-08-01 17:01:27	chazy	hosts: mymachines resolve [!UNAVAIL=return] files myhostname dns
2022-08-01 17:02:03	Namarrgon	is /etc/resolv.conf a file or a symlink?
2022-08-01 17:02:09	susi	oh but it might be dig is not using that, but ping is
2022-08-01 17:02:20	Namarrgon	not all programs use nss and some parse resolv.conf directly
2022-08-01 17:04:28	chazy	Namarrgon: a normal file and it's empty
2022-08-01 17:04:34	chazy	except for comments
2022-08-01 17:05:41	Vorpal	I'm fairly sure dig from the bind package goes directly to resolv.conf
2022-08-01 17:05:45	Vorpal	strace confirms this
2022-08-01 17:06:01	susi	yes it does, it was ping that used nss
2022-08-01 17:06:05	susi	mixed those
2022-08-01 17:06:14	Vorpal	so I would say you need to fix your resolv.conf to be suitable for your network setup (however that is done for systemd-network)
2022-08-01 17:07:07	Scimmia	it's covered on the systemd-resolved wiki page, not that anyone bothers reading it
2022-08-01 17:07:21	chazy	shouldn't systemd-resolved take care of that file?
2022-08-01 17:07:34	chazy	i mean by default?
2022-08-01 17:07:41	Scimmia	no
2022-08-01 17:07:45	chazy	ok
2022-08-01 17:08:32	chazy	btw if i set up a bind server in my home server, i have to stop using systemd-resolved, right?
2022-08-01 17:08:49	chazy	in the home server i mean
2022-08-01 17:11:38	bea	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-resolved#Configuration
2022-08-01 17:11:39	phrik	Title: systemd-resolved - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-01 17:12:53	bea	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-networkd#Required_services_and_setup
2022-08-01 17:12:55	phrik	Title: systemd-networkd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-01 17:14:36	chazy	hmm so is it needed to specify the dns servers in both networkd and resolved?
2022-08-01 17:16:07	chazy	looks like i can specify DNS entries in either of the configuration files?
2022-08-01 17:16:26	bea	if you read the page, all will be revealed
2022-08-01 17:16:52	WhyNotHugo	What copies vmlinuz-linux into /boot?
2022-08-01 17:17:02	WhyNotHugo	It seems that if it's absend, `mkinitcpio` fails.
2022-08-01 17:17:20	Namarrgon	a pacman hook installed by mkinitcpio
2022-08-01 17:18:52	WhyNotHugo	Namarrgon: Thanks, found it!
2022-08-01 17:19:37	WhyNotHugo	My specific setup does not support `vmlinuz-` being gzipp'd (I'm on M1/AsahiLinux). How can I make sure it gets copied over uncompressed?
2022-08-01 17:19:40	Dynetrekk	Hi, I've tried setting up i3 but when I run startx I get that /usr/bin/X doesn't exist. What haven't I installed?
2022-08-01 17:19:57	bea	xorg-server?
2022-08-01 17:20:03	Namarrgon	WhyNotHugo: isn't there a channel for your distro?
2022-08-01 17:20:32	WhyNotHugo	Namarrgon: Yeah, I'll ask there.
2022-08-01 17:20:43	Dynetrekk	Namarrgon: might be, Asahi linux is very very new, right?
2022-08-01 17:20:51	Dynetrekk	WhyNotHugo: is Asahi Arch based?
2022-08-01 17:21:06	WhyNotHugo	It's basically arch with a custom kernel and a few packaged PKGBUILDs.
2022-08-01 17:21:20	Namarrgon	and an entirely different architecture not supported by arch
2022-08-01 17:21:23	WhyNotHugo	*patched PKGBUILDs
2022-08-01 17:21:27	bea	https://asahilinux.org/community/
2022-08-01 17:21:28	phrik	Title: Community - Asahi Linux (at asahilinux.org)
2022-08-01 17:21:28	Scimmia	!give Dynetrekk wtf is /usr/bin/X
2022-08-01 17:21:30	phrik	Dynetrekk: extra/xorg-server
2022-08-01 17:22:38	Dynetrekk	Namarrgon: isn't there an Arch-for-arm anymore? I used it for a few years on my first rpi, it was fantastic for such a small/slow device.
2022-08-01 17:22:59	Dynetrekk	Scimmia: great, thanks, now I got a new error message!
2022-08-01 17:23:16	Namarrgon	Dynetrekk: yes, alarm is still going
2022-08-01 17:23:41	Scimmia	but it's also a separate distro
2022-08-01 17:23:59	WhyNotHugo	ALARM doesn't actually support this target.
2022-08-01 17:24:01	Dynetrekk	Glad to hear, it was much faster than raspbian, although harder to use I'd say (but fantastic)
2022-08-01 17:24:17	Scimmia	WhyNotHugo: and neither does Arch, so...
2022-08-01 17:24:19	WhyNotHugo	And Asahi's intent is to eventually upstream everything, rather than keep local patches.
2022-08-01 17:24:23	Scimmia	!give WhyNotHugo notarch
2022-08-01 17:24:23	phrik	WhyNotHugo: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2022-08-01 17:24:56	Dynetrekk	Scimmia:  aha, didn't realize, basically a rebuild of arch? Anyway a bit surprised that Arm isn't supported by arch since Arm seems to become very common - rpi, servers, M1/M2 from apple, ...
2022-08-01 17:25:28	WhyNotHugo	My question doesn't really TOO off-topic: "If I want have vmlinuz get copied uncompressed, is there a way to indicate this to mkinitcpio?".
2022-08-01 17:25:47	WhyNotHugo	FWIW, I might do it on all architectures just to avoid having a snowflake setting.
2022-08-01 17:25:47	Namarrgon	it is entirely off-topic since we don't know how asahi builds their kernel
2022-08-01 17:25:50	Scimmia	your question is about a different distro, which is by definition off topic and against the rules
2022-08-01 17:27:58	Dynetrekk	What about getting i3 running? I've run startx and I get "command not found" in the output of startx
2022-08-01 17:28:11	Namarrgon	did you read the "xinit" page on the wiki?
2022-08-01 17:28:26	Namarrgon	did you copy over the stock xinitrc and modify it for your needs?
2022-08-01 17:28:57	Dynetrekk	nah, didn't remember, and I don't have X running so I don't have a browser... Catch-23
2022-08-01 17:29:28	Namarrgon	elinks https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/xinit
2022-08-01 17:29:29	phrik	Title: xinit - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-01 17:33:40	Dynetrekk	Great Namarrgon now I can start it. The display looks broken but mouse shows up at least... weird. I'll read the i3 wiki entry some more.
2022-08-01 17:35:53	Dynetrekk	Heh, after instlaling a font, now it works great! Just need to set up an i3 config and this computer will be usable :D
2022-08-01 17:43:59	bea	congrats
2022-08-01 17:52:33	ian|	Hello. I am trying to use the PlayStation Classic controller that comes with the PlayStation mini console on my PC with Arch Linux. Nothing appears under /dev/input/by-id/ when I plug it in.
2022-08-01 17:53:13	tpr	have you tried checking your kernel logs (e.g., with dmesg) to see if it detects when it gets connected?
2022-08-01 17:55:24	ian|	https://paste.centos.org/view/89007d79
2022-08-01 17:55:26	phrik	Title: Untitled - Pastebin Service (at paste.centos.org)
2022-08-01 17:58:10	ian|	looks like someone had trouble getting it to work on Linux Mint too https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/comments/a3hnvp/playstation_classic_usb_controller_in_linux/
2022-08-01 18:02:40	ian|	Looks like it's not a joystick issue per se, it's not showing up via 'lsusb'
2022-08-01 18:11:25	glitsj16	NetSysFire: thank you for the memo, handy service
2022-08-01 18:12:36	ian|	Trying 'xboxdrv' systemd module
2022-08-01 18:44:09	Santzes	Arch wiki down?
2022-08-01 18:44:29	bonob	up
2022-08-01 18:45:10	Santzes	hmmh I'm getting Timed Out on two browsers.. oh well
2022-08-01 18:45:43	bonob	Is there a way to find out which CJK font is preferred by the system (in the absence of any user configuration)?
2022-08-01 18:48:51	WhyNotHugo	fc-match 你好
2022-08-01 18:48:52	WhyNotHugo	bonob: 
2022-08-01 18:50:48	bonob	oh, that simple! thanks WhyNotHugo 
2022-08-01 18:53:54	aaro	WhyNotHugo: that's not how it works, fc-match uses font family names patterns, not glyphs
2022-08-01 18:55:20	aaro	bonob: use 'fc-match -s' to see the order of fonts chosen by default
2022-08-01 18:55:45	WhyNotHugo	You're right, my bad.
2022-08-01 18:58:39	bonob	that makes sense now, thanks aaro 
2022-08-01 18:59:36	DeepDayze	another happy customer 🙂
2022-08-01 19:00:20	bonob	One more question if I may, is there some tool you'd advise to see which installed font includes a given glyph
2022-08-01 19:01:36	irreleph4nt	!next
2022-08-01 19:01:37	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-08-01 19:02:06	irreleph4nt	DeepDayze, there's a command for that :) ^
2022-08-01 19:02:32	DeepDayze	Lol
2022-08-01 19:02:37	DeepDayze	sorry phrik
2022-08-01 19:02:58	DeepDayze	Too bad there's no like button in IRC...
2022-08-01 19:05:41	bookworm	(there is, libera just doesn't support it)
2022-08-01 19:05:53	bookworm	ircv3 reactions are a thing
2022-08-01 19:05:58	fortuNe	!paste
2022-08-01 19:05:58	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-08-01 19:07:35	fortuNe	Hello, is there any fix for DBeaver invalid signature error when doing an update? Snippet of log output: https://bpa.st/S74Q
2022-08-01 19:07:35	phrik	Title: View paste S74Q (at bpa.st)
2022-08-01 19:08:47	aaro	bonob: firefox inspect tool will tell you the font used by a given selected glyph
2022-08-01 19:09:13	Namarrgon	fortuNe: pacman -Q archlinux-keyring
2022-08-01 19:09:52	fortuNe	@Namarrgon archlinux-keyring 20220713-2
2022-08-01 19:10:14	bonob	aaro: quite useful, thanks for the idea!
2022-08-01 19:10:25	Namarrgon	fortuNe: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
2022-08-01 19:10:49	fortuNe	@Namarrgon it worked, thank you :)
2022-08-01 19:19:04	randomxusr	Odd question here. If I wanted to the current kernel and install the next rolling kernel? how could I accomplish this?
2022-08-01 19:19:35	Namarrgon	what for?
2022-08-01 19:21:20	randomxusr	just for comparison, and fun
2022-08-01 19:22:04	Namarrgon	there's no clean way for this unless you want to rebuild/-master the package
2022-08-01 19:22:58	Namarrgon	a dirty way is to just cp the kernel and the modules
2022-08-01 19:23:01	randomxusr	that answers the question. I might just mess around with this in a vm or live usb'
2022-08-01 19:23:03	Namarrgon	then update the package
2022-08-01 19:24:56	randomxusr	on a separate note; are there known issues with performance hit from spectre mitigations recently? thinking older hardware say ~2013 hardware
2022-08-01 19:25:47	bookworm	"issue" is a stretch, will it run slower than without those? sure
2022-08-01 19:26:12	bookworm	most security features are negative for performance
2022-08-01 19:26:24	bookworm	no reason to disable them though
2022-08-01 19:26:35	bookworm	pre 2013 hardware is slow either way
2022-08-01 19:27:11	MacGyver	randomxusr: There's a known issue that isn't a performance hit per se.
2022-08-01 19:27:12	randomxusr	right. I mentioned this to someone on Reddit and they didn't seem to like the response
2022-08-01 19:27:20	MacGyver	randomxusr: Are you on an AMD CPU?
2022-08-01 19:27:48	randomxusr	MacGyver, I am, but referring to a reddit post I saw. About... AMD
2022-08-01 19:28:19	MacGyver	randomxusr: Then you may need to boot the current in-repo kernel with spectre_v2=off to even be able *to* boot if the CPU doesn't have IBPB but is deemed vulnerable to retbleed.
2022-08-01 19:28:35	MacGyver	randomxusr: Something to be aware of if you end up panicking very early in the boot.
2022-08-01 19:29:07	randomxusr	got it. Know whethere it's in the kernel mailing lists?
2022-08-01 19:29:16	randomxusr	I should really subscribe to those
2022-08-01 19:29:16	MacGyver	Yeah, was discussed last night, sec.
2022-08-01 19:29:20	randomxusr	got it
2022-08-01 19:29:43	randomxusr	apologies for the originally vague comments, but glad you picked up on it
2022-08-01 19:30:30	MacGyver	randomxusr: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2049635 and https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220728122602.2500509-1-cascardo@canonical.com/T/
2022-08-01 19:30:30	phrik	Title: Boot/kernel hangs after upgrading to 5.18.15 (SOLVED - FIX) / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-08-01 19:33:19	MacGyver	randomxusr: W.r.t. performance, if you're in a situation where you *really* don't care about being vulnerable (but in that case, really do read all the details about the vulnerabilities), you can always turn the mitigations off and run a recent kernel anyway.
2022-08-01 19:33:26	MacGyver	randomxusr: No reason to hold it back for that.
2022-08-01 19:33:43	MacGyver	randomxusr: But benchmark the difference when you do.
2022-08-01 19:34:25	yamii	Oh so that was what hit me yesterday
2022-08-01 19:34:42	randomxusr	MacGyver, thanks. I've correct my response to the redditor. I thought is was general performance issues, and spoke too soon. I do plan to test in a VM or on a live cd
2022-08-01 19:35:07	MacGyver	yamii: Possibly, I don't recall your issue perfectly.
2022-08-01 19:35:12	randomxusr	Spectre and similar mitigations have been at times, annoying
2022-08-01 19:35:26	MacGyver	yamii: You were struggling with getting USB devices to be detected before the bootloader even kicked in, no?
2022-08-01 19:35:31	randomxusr	while useful
2022-08-01 19:35:44	yamii	MacGyver: Yep, it was quite some fun
2022-08-01 19:35:51	MacGyver	yamii: But that has nothing to do with this.
2022-08-01 19:35:58	MacGyver	yamii: Since at that point the kernel hasn't started yet.
2022-08-01 19:37:13	WinterStar	I have an IPv6 related question: I've been dual stacking for a few months now. Config is Iwd, Dhcpcd and Unbound. IPv6 via SLAAC with privacy extensions. Some seemingly random moments though, some applications will drop their IPv6 connections and reconnect via IPv4... 
2022-08-01 19:37:36	WinterStar	Is this random behaviour caused by the IPv6 address randomization and how would I prevent this exactly?
2022-08-01 19:39:20	yamii	true, should have read the whole thread
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2022-08-01 20:16:06	jkc	WinterStar: No, it's not caused by privacy extensions.
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2022-08-01 20:49:33	WinterStar	jkc: is it a disconnect after which a random stack is chosen then?
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2022-08-02 03:20:48	glitsj16	!emojibeam
2022-08-02 03:20:48	phrik	😀😬😁😂😃😄😅😆😇😉😊🙂☺😋😌😍😘😗😙😚😜😝😛😎😏😶😐😑😒😳😞😟😠😡😔😕🙁☹😣😖😫👍👎👊✊✌👌✋👐💪🙏☝👆👇👈👉🖕🖐🖖✍💅👄👅👂👃
2022-08-02 03:22:01	NetSysFire	glitsj16: so i dont know if its still worth an issue
2022-08-02 03:22:03	NetSysFire	dammit!
2022-08-02 03:29:31	chazy	how do i synchronize the system clock? i tried enabled ntp and restarting the service but it doesn't get synced
2022-08-02 03:29:38	chazy	https://gist.github.com/ChazyTheBest/202f33e1498ff459fed244913d118142
2022-08-02 03:35:01	keir	chazy: that is synchronised. why do you think it's not?
2022-08-02 03:35:32	keir	chazy: sorry just misread the whole thing
2022-08-02 03:36:04	merced	on the server box
2022-08-02 03:36:06	merced	?
2022-08-02 03:37:07	merced	chazy: have you enabled logging
2022-08-02 03:37:12	Scimmia	see the journal
2022-08-02 03:40:56	chazy	my bad it's a problem with the stub resolver
2022-08-02 03:46:13	MichaelP	Where does KDE look for desktop wallpapers in home dir ?
2022-08-02 03:46:55	NetSysFire	glitsj16: so i dont know if its still worth an issue
2022-08-02 03:47:24	glitsj16	NetSysFire: hi, yes i got your memoserv message
2022-08-02 03:47:38	NetSysFire	you left three seconds before i sent a message to you in here!
2022-08-02 03:48:06	NetSysFire	anyways. i think the behavior is fluctuating and might be purely kernel related
2022-08-02 03:48:18	NetSysFire	i think i saw systemd also having troubles with its sandboxed units
2022-08-02 03:48:48	glitsj16	:-) if things start to deteriorate again, you know how to reach us
2022-08-02 03:49:02	NetSysFire	yup!
2022-08-02 03:49:46	glitsj16	let's hope 5.19 and 6.0 prove to be stable once they get into the repos
2022-08-02 03:50:37	NetSysFire	the worst thing is that i know how to debug kernel stuff (via bisecting), i wrote the guide in the archwiki but i know its effort and i am very lazy
2022-08-02 03:53:09	glitsj16	heh, that's quite understandable
2022-08-02 03:57:41	bl60ip0rsi	Hi
2022-08-02 03:58:00	bl60ip0rsi	Will Archlinux install on an Acer Aspire 1 laptop?
2022-08-02 03:58:39	llua	yeah
2022-08-02 03:58:48	bl60ip0rsi	Perfect thanks
2022-08-02 03:59:11	bl60ip0rsi	I was running into issues trying to install Kali Linux (The mouse and wifi card wouldnt work)
2022-08-02 04:00:45	llua	considering that one doesn't install kali linux, not shocking.
2022-08-02 04:05:02	umaxtu	what are you talking about? I've got a Kali install
2022-08-02 04:05:42	bougyman	bluepenquin: I have an acer aspire 1 that ran arch fine.
2022-08-02 04:05:46	bougyman	This was many years ago.
2022-08-02 04:05:50	bougyman	But I didn't have any problems.
2022-08-02 04:06:00	bougyman	It's still running (not arch anymore, tho)
2022-08-02 04:06:45	bougyman	You probably just need firmware for the wifi.
2022-08-02 04:06:49	umaxtu	I think some versions do have nvidia gpus, which can be a bit more of a hassle
2022-08-02 04:06:50	bougyman	What mouse type was it?
2022-08-02 04:06:55	bougyman	They do, umaxtu 
2022-08-02 04:07:01	bougyman	noveau cuts it, though.
2022-08-02 04:07:49	chazy	i need to change my lan address but i'm connected using ssh to my home server, how do i change it without locking out the server?
2022-08-02 04:08:18	chazy	can i set 2 different networks in systemd-networkd?
2022-08-02 04:11:36	chazy	nvm i can specify multiple Address in the config file
2022-08-02 05:00:37	_DOOM_	I apologize if this has been asked already. Is the AUR down? I keep getting 502 errors.
2022-08-02 05:01:11	mefistofeles	!isitup aur.archlinux.org
2022-08-02 05:01:13	phrik	mefistofeles: Oh no aur.archlinux.org is down!
2022-08-02 05:01:17	mefistofeles	!panic
2022-08-02 05:01:17	phrik	http://eured.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/oh-noes-everybody-panic.gif
2022-08-02 05:01:25	_DOOM_	Dang
2022-08-02 05:01:27	merced	any ideas on how to get easy anti cheat working on wine?
2022-08-02 05:01:47	_DOOM_	mefistofeles: Thank you.
2022-08-02 05:14:54	throstur	is this the good one? yes, this is the good one, ahhhhhh
2022-08-02 05:16:05	throstur	RIP freenode... now, my m2-root mount on / is almost full, I cleared pacman cache to free up some space, but I don't remember how best to figure out where the other space hogs are, and I'd really like to avoid ncdu on / without knowing what I'm doing, anyone have this spoon at the ready?
2022-08-02 05:17:00	merced	yes this is the good one
2022-08-02 05:18:04	merced	throstur: try `du -hs / | sort -h`
2022-08-02 05:19:34	throstur	thanks merced !
2022-08-02 05:19:48	throstur	I feel like I don't need to ask, but yeah, this is gonna be a sudo command
2022-08-02 05:20:39	Caspia	Anybody know why AUR is down? 
2022-08-02 05:27:28	merced	throstur: yes
2022-08-02 05:28:07	rcf	!isitup aur.archlinux.org
2022-08-02 05:28:08	phrik	rcf: Oh no aur.archlinux.org is down!
2022-08-02 05:29:11	throstur	merced: my output was 2.1T / and a few directory read errors...
2022-08-02 05:29:47	rcf	Caspia: it's up for me, oddly. 
2022-08-02 05:29:48	merced	i forget the flags but you can also just pipe the result into a file
2022-08-02 05:29:55	merced	rip
2022-08-02 05:30:36	throstur	merced:heh, my point is more that I didn't get any useful output, other than some confusion because I thought my m2 was 1TB
2022-08-02 05:30:57	merced	oic
2022-08-02 05:31:35	merced	du will also look at your mounts
2022-08-02 05:31:38	glitsj16	Caspia: https://status.archlinux.org/788139639
2022-08-02 05:31:39	phrik	Title: status.archlinux.org (at status.archlinux.org)
2022-08-02 05:31:40	throstur	or... maybe it is 500 gigs actually
2022-08-02 05:31:51	throstur	yeah so I want to know, what is on / but NOT mounted elsewhere
2022-08-02 05:32:04	throstur	because I want to see what's eating up my m2-root partition
2022-08-02 05:32:12	merced	ahhhhh
2022-08-02 05:32:18	rcf	You'd want `du -hsx /*` for more useful output  
2022-08-02 05:33:10	rcf	Or du -hx -d 1 /
2022-08-02 05:34:09	throstur	thanks, much better, I can already see the culprits!
2022-08-02 05:34:49	rcf	Adjust -d 1 as needed for more depth 
2022-08-02 05:36:05	toou	what does the number represent in udev rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/81-backlight.rules , if i were to make a custom rule how should i number it
2022-08-02 05:36:13	throstur	thank you :) looks like 50 gigs is becoming a bit small for a root partition, 2% is already taken just by journal logs...
2022-08-02 05:37:47	toou	throstur: kek i used to have 30GB /, just switched to 40G 
2022-08-02 05:38:09	rcf	throstur: it's mean to establish ordering, if it doesn't depend on any other rule just go with 99 
2022-08-02 05:38:21	rcf	...toou
2022-08-02 05:38:27	rcf	!tabfail
2022-08-02 05:38:28	phrik	 0  days since the last tab failure. Completion safety is our union goal!
2022-08-02 05:39:20	throstur	maybe I'll last a short while longer then, let's give it another 3 or 4 years
2022-08-02 05:39:47	toou	rcf: Oo, i choose 00
2022-08-02 05:39:49	toou	thanks
2022-08-02 05:41:43	DeepDayze	Should never be a tab fail 🙂
2022-08-02 05:41:49	DeepDayze	Safety first!
2022-08-02 06:01:11	psychotron	I would need some help with hugin?
2022-08-02 06:01:57	psychotron	can I go to offtopic to show a picture?
2022-08-02 06:06:31	bloodfart69	This place is pretty much dead. You're probably better off posting your issue on archlinux forums 
2022-08-02 06:06:44	bloodfart69	As right now**
2022-08-02 06:07:13	merced	bloodfart69: idk its pretty lively here, though it is late
2022-08-02 06:08:56	bloodfart69	Yeah, that's right it's late. That sentence is what I was struggling to say for some reason lol
2022-08-02 06:09:08	merced	;D
2022-08-02 06:10:57	bloodfart69	That said, I am still wanting to know if I can get fsync without installing linux-zen or linux-pf 
2022-08-02 07:14:09	Edu4rdSHL	bougyman, yes, you recompile the kernel with the patches
2022-08-02 07:14:41	Edu4rdSHL	psychotron, https://dontasktoask.com 
2022-08-02 07:14:43	phrik	Title: Don't ask to ask, just ask (at dontasktoask.com)
2022-08-02 07:17:24	psychotron	little phrik
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2022-08-02 08:49:10	Feru	how would I go about reporting a bug in the i915 display driver?
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2022-08-02 09:18:47	Edu4rdSHL	Or both
2022-08-02 09:19:26	Edu4rdSHL	Or a hardware bug
2022-08-02 09:19:30	Edu4rdSHL	You never know 
2022-08-02 09:19:32	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-08-02 09:26:29	dav1d	Can I check why my swap is 11G in size if I have ~45G left of unused RAM?
2022-08-02 09:27:04	Edu4rdSHL	Do you hibernated before?
2022-08-02 09:27:17	dav1d	Edu4rdSHL, yes I did, is that just leftover from the hibernation?
2022-08-02 09:27:33	Edu4rdSHL	Yes
2022-08-02 09:27:37	dav1d	ah nice, thanks
2022-08-02 09:48:35	Feru	topcat001, it fails to resume properly from hibernate, showing flickery artifacts on screenm
2022-08-02 09:49:37	Feru	dmesg shows a stack trace ending in assert_plane_disabled
2022-08-02 09:50:21	Feru	it should be disabled but it's not. I tried my best understanding the source, but I couldn't 
2022-08-02 09:52:44	Feru	The problem does not occur when I set i915.modeset=0, but then I can't start x. It does not affect sleep (suspend to ram). In fact, when I press the power button to make the system go to sleep and wake it up again, it manages to display the session correctly
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2022-08-02 12:47:43	petrj	hi, is there a test repository to try out upcoming release of clang?
2022-08-02 12:47:51	petrj	i was looking for clang 15 rc1
2022-08-02 12:48:28	Namarrgon	there are testing repos but these usually don't include pre-releases
2022-08-02 12:50:26	petrj	okay, i'll wait for 15 final release
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2022-08-02 13:13:26	petrj	dav1d, thanks in llvm-git's PKGBUILD, it is still v14:  `pkgver=14.0.0_r413047.c703d77a61ac`
2022-08-02 13:14:55	grawity	if nothing in the build process has changed, usually the pkgbuild itself never gets updated
2022-08-02 13:15:04	grawity	build it and you get whatever's currently in trunk/master
2022-08-02 13:24:55	dav1d	petrj, mh it should actually fetch from git not use that revision
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2022-08-02 13:30:40	petrj	dav1d: yeah from comments on repository page: "That archlinux repos still haven't switched to the latest stable release 14 doesn't matter for this (and other llvm trunk packages )." which explains why it is stuck on v14
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2022-08-02 13:57:01	grawity	http://xpenguins.seul.org/images/screenshot.jpg now I want my desktop to look like this
2022-08-02 13:59:23	dagle	grawity: The penguins dropping?
2022-08-02 14:03:57	artefact	you might like nscde
2022-08-02 14:04:19	grawity	I was trying to install hp-ux yesterday, for actual cde
2022-08-02 14:05:48	dav1d	This reminded me of the windows XP background I had
2022-08-02 14:05:55	dav1d	man good times
2022-08-02 15:54:41	sangy	am I the only one that has funny business with sudo? it doesn't take my pw all of sudden. It could be pam's fault as well
2022-08-02 15:55:42	mpan	sangy: it seems you are the only one. faillock probably?
2022-08-02 15:55:48	mpan	s/probably/possibly/
2022-08-02 15:59:21	sangy	mpan: yeah you were right. I keep forgetting
2022-08-02 16:00:03	mpan	Perhaps disable it or set block time to 1 and number of attempts to 999?
2022-08-02 16:00:11	mpan	(the latter is simpler and less invasive)
2022-08-02 16:01:58	sangy	it's fine. It's the first time it happened in a while. I just need to remember this is a thing
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2022-08-02 17:12:17	mefistofeles	hey, is there a way to know when a specific version of a package hit the core repo?
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2022-08-02 17:19:42	mpan	mefistofeles: not absolutely exact, but the commit date in package’s VCS.
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2022-08-02 17:21:27	thurstylark	mefistofeles: what do you mean? Like getting a notification that a package has been updated?
2022-08-02 17:21:45	thurstylark	there are rss feeds for package updates if that's what you're going for...
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2022-08-02 17:23:36	aida	hmm, does anyone use LXD here?
2022-08-02 17:23:52	thurstylark	!anyone
2022-08-02 17:23:52	susi	don't know, not me
2022-08-02 17:23:53	phrik	Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2022-08-02 17:23:58	aida	been having some weird, issues, where my subuid/subgid config doesn't work
2022-08-02 17:24:02	aida	however it works on ubuntu
2022-08-02 17:24:16	aida	https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/t/help-with-idmap-subuid-subgid-please/14742/20
2022-08-02 17:24:17	phrik	Title: Help with idmap & subuid/subgid please - #20 by Aida - LXD - Linux Containers Forum (at discuss.linuxcontainers.org)
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2022-08-02 17:24:36	aida	i tried the exact same setup on both machines multiple times, works always on ubuntu
2022-08-02 17:24:45	aida	its to do with the subuid/subgid shifting
2022-08-02 17:27:42	aida	basically not trying to do anything complex
2022-08-02 17:27:46	aida	just pass in a home directory
2022-08-02 17:28:02	aida	and i'm not using any sysctl settings, or the linux-hardened kernel
2022-08-02 17:28:11	aida	using standard "linux" kernel 
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2022-08-02 17:28:45	mefistofeles	thurstylark: no, just know when a specific version made the core repo
2022-08-02 17:28:48	mefistofeles	no notification
2022-08-02 17:29:03	mefistofeles	mpan: but how can I tell it's for core and not testing?
2022-08-02 17:29:13	mefistofeles	or what commit should I be looking for?
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2022-08-02 17:30:16	aida	the error i get is:
2022-08-02 17:30:18	aida	> newuidmap failed to write mapping “newuidmap: uid range [1003-1004) → [362144-362145) not allowed”: newuidmap 448521 0 100000 1003 1003 362144 1 1004 101004 64532
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2022-08-02 17:30:30	aida	and of course the container doesn't then start
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2022-08-02 17:31:35	mefistofeles	didn't uids were up to 16bits? that is 65535
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2022-08-02 17:32:19	mefistofeles	I don't really know, never mind :P
2022-08-02 17:32:25	evilop	and lxc is a bit picky about the range
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2022-08-02 17:33:42	evilop	you did follow the arch wiki?
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2022-08-02 17:35:12	thurstylark	mefistofeles: where are you looking for that information currently? It should be pretty clear, so I'm not sure where your confusion is coming from
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2022-08-02 17:37:26	mefistofeles	thurstylark: for example here https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commits/packages/glibc/trunk 
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2022-08-02 17:39:05	thurstylark	mefistofeles: if a package is in testing, it'll be listed once for each repository on archlinux.org/packages
2022-08-02 17:39:13	thurstylark	take linux for example
2022-08-02 17:39:38	mefistofeles	thurstylark: ok, and how to know when it was included in core?
2022-08-02 17:40:15	evilop	aida: are you using -hardened?
2022-08-02 17:40:39	aida	no, i tried with the non hardened kernel
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2022-08-02 17:40:48	aida	cos i know hardened sets kernel.unprivileged_userns_clone = 0
2022-08-02 17:41:01	thurstylark	mefistofeles: ooohhh, you're looking for historical information!
2022-08-02 17:41:08	aida	5.18.14-arch1-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC
2022-08-02 17:41:16	⚡ 	thurstylark is finally making sense of things
2022-08-02 17:41:22	mefistofeles	thurstylark: yes! hahaha
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2022-08-02 17:45:11	thurstylark	mefistofeles: it looks like the move shows up in the git history when using asp. That's just an interface to the underlying svn repo, though, so there might be a better way to get to it that I'm not aware of
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2022-08-02 17:46:27	mefistofeles	thurstylark: I don't need the exact moment, just a date with a few days of error should be fine, if that helps
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2022-08-02 17:47:16	mefistofeles	I'm just trying to track this issue that I'm having with a custom software and whether it is related to the underlying glibc implementation
2022-08-02 17:47:38	mefistofeles	because some forums seem to suggest it is related to changes in recent versions of glibc
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2022-08-02 17:48:33	Scimmia	mefistofeles: instead of looking at trunk only, move up one level and you'll see the repo commits
2022-08-02 17:49:17	mefistofeles	Scimmia: oh!! that helps
2022-08-02 17:49:26	mefistofeles	thanks, that should do it
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2022-08-02 17:52:45	aida	evilop: any ideas? i've been trying for about 2 days to get this working with archlinux heh
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2022-08-02 18:02:57	Edu4rdSHL	aida, do you follow the archwiki or any other source?
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2022-08-02 18:05:09	aida	i did look at the LXD article on the arch wiki, but no, there isn't really any setup
2022-08-02 18:05:39	mefistofeles	oh no... 
2022-08-02 18:05:39	aida	the process i used for creating the container is https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/t/help-with-idmap-subuid-subgid-please/14742/20 there in that post
2022-08-02 18:05:39	mefistofeles	Please submit a full bug report, with preprocessed source (by using -freport-bug).
2022-08-02 18:05:40	phrik	Title: Help with idmap & subuid/subgid please - #20 by Aida - LXD - Linux Containers Forum (at discuss.linuxcontainers.org)
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2022-08-02 18:05:42	mefistofeles	Please include the complete backtrace with any bug report.
2022-08-02 18:05:45	mefistofeles	See <https://bugs.archlinux.org/> for instructions.
2022-08-02 18:05:46	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Bugtracker:: Arch Linux: Tasklist (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2022-08-02 18:09:13	aida	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Linux_Containers#Enable_support_to_run_unprivileged_containers_(optional)
2022-08-02 18:09:14	phrik	Title: Linux Containers - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-02 18:09:20	witcher	i'm trying to build something using LLVM with cmake through makepkg but it fails https://paste.sr.ht/~witcher/bf928ffae590abe6eedae8aaeacf1c484c22e1e7
2022-08-02 18:09:23	phrik	Title: bf928ff — paste.sr.ht (at paste.sr.ht)
2022-08-02 18:09:28	aida	admittedly i hadn't tried adding that to /etc/lxc/default.conf
2022-08-02 18:09:29	witcher	building manually with the same command i'm using in the PKGBUILD fails
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2022-08-02 18:09:43	Feru	Does anyone know stuff about the inner workings of the i915 intel gpu driver by any chance?
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2022-08-02 18:11:29	witcher	could it be that `ld` is used instead of `lld` in the PKGBUILD? how do i force using `lld`, if that's the case?
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2022-08-02 18:58:30	lastmikoi	My mirroring box is affected by CVE-2022-29154, and it's syncing its packages from a tier-1 mirror using rsync. Is there a provision for switching to HTTP syncing until fixes are made available ?
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2022-08-02 19:44:24	jelle	!acve CVE-2022-29154
2022-08-02 19:44:25	phrik	jelle: Error: That URL raised <HTTP Error 404: NOT FOUND>
2022-08-02 19:44:50	lastmikoi	my mirroring box isn't running archlinux, but it's running an archlinux mirror :p
2022-08-02 19:45:16	jelle	lastmikoi: is the arch mirror malicious?
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2022-08-02 20:02:53	artefact	use flatpaks in docker in a vm in qubes os
2022-08-02 20:03:00	susi	this^
2022-08-02 20:03:47	tatsumaru	for example running games in lutris with separate wine configurations seems like a better idea 99% of the time.
2022-08-02 20:04:15	tatsumaru	it's just cleaner
2022-08-02 20:26:55	WhyNotHugo	What's `startup-notification`? The package description just points to https://www.freedesktop.org/. Searching on https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ just leads me to a google sign-in page.
2022-08-02 20:26:56	phrik	Title: www (at www.freedesktop.org)
2022-08-02 20:27:06	WhyNotHugo	The PKGBUILD just copies some files over: https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/startup-notification/trunk/PKGBUILD#L12 ?
2022-08-02 20:28:27	WhyNotHugo	They're required by mate-desktop  tor-browser
2022-08-02 20:29:00	jelle	WhyNotHugo: the PKGBUILD compiles stuff?
2022-08-02 20:29:17	WhyNotHugo	I mean, I can't figure out what this library is/does.
2022-08-02 20:29:38	WhyNotHugo	And searching for "search nofitication" online yields... poor results.
2022-08-02 20:29:49	Scimmia	"Monitor and display application startup"
2022-08-02 20:30:10	jelle	WhyNotHugo: search notification?
2022-08-02 20:30:21	WhyNotHugo	"startup notification".
2022-08-02 20:30:25	WhyNotHugo	Typing is hard
2022-08-02 20:31:04	jelle	looks like a legacy X lib :)
2022-08-02 20:31:25	jelle	WhyNotHugo: read doc/startup-notification.txt
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2022-08-02 20:54:12	xecuter	hi, how i can install "lix"? sudo pacman -S lix <-- do not works
2022-08-02 20:55:30	jelle	xecuter: it's in the aur as the website says
2022-08-02 20:56:06	xecuter	ahhh aur.... lol i thought it is official page
2022-08-02 21:12:42	lmat	What is the best way to uninstall steam and make sure the games it installed are also properly uninstalled?
2022-08-02 21:13:19	lmat	pacman -Rsu steam steam-native-runtime; (I think that's the full list of what pacman manages) says it will remove 419 MiB, so that's obviously not uninstalling the ~50 or so GiB of games steam installed.
2022-08-02 21:14:16	Thaodan	If you installed any dependency manually that is of course not in that list.
2022-08-02 21:14:18	thingfish	maybe uninstall the games individually via Steam first, then remove Steam itself?
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2022-08-02 21:16:01	river	you ca just rm -rf ~/.whatever
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2022-08-02 21:16:04	river	to delete the steam stuff
2022-08-02 21:16:13	river	use gdmap -f / to get a visual of whats taking up space on your computer
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2022-08-02 21:26:30	zan	lmat: if you haven't changed anything, the games are in .local/share/Steam
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2022-08-02 21:27:52	zan	lmat: this is the one I found for removing steam and all multilib packages it pulled in, but I use only steam from multilib, if you use other multilib pkgs don't do this
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2022-08-02 21:27:57	zan	lmat: pacman -R $(comm -12 <(pacman -Qq | sort) <(pacman -Slq multilib | sort))
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2022-08-02 21:40:11	xecuter	if i try pamac, there i get message : can not find : netflix-web .... but it is not installed and no mark. hmpf
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2022-08-02 21:42:01	susi	why'd you use pamac on Arch
2022-08-02 21:42:50	teraflops	what is pamac?
2022-08-02 21:43:00	thingfish	some Manjaro thing.
2022-08-02 21:43:58	xecuter	i want play lix :)
2022-08-02 21:44:49	Rayyan	solution: paru /s
2022-08-02 21:44:52	Dev1ls	hahah
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2022-08-02 21:49:26	cyphertite	river:  what is 'gdmap'?  It's not an arch package, so why are you recommending it??
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2022-08-02 21:49:42	river	because its good
2022-08-02 21:50:05	cyphertite	that's not what I asked you
2022-08-02 21:50:06	river	do you know something similar that is in the main repos?
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2022-08-02 21:50:15	river	what you asked me was retarded
2022-08-02 21:50:31	teraflops	sourceforge and it's gtk2 heh
2022-08-02 21:50:41	teraflops	yeah it looks good ;)
2022-08-02 21:50:45	thingfish	:)
2022-08-02 21:51:29	river	it is
2022-08-02 21:51:40	teraflops	ncdu or gdu are better advises imho
2022-08-02 21:52:26	river	those aren't comparable
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2022-08-02 21:52:52	teraflops	gtk2… do you also use internet explorer 6?
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2022-08-02 21:53:27	thingfish	lol
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2022-08-02 21:53:45	lastmikoi	manners are certainly netscape-era :°
2022-08-02 21:54:13	lmat	zan: wow! I use a fair amount of multilib, so that won't do. Using pacman, I only installed steam and/or steam-native-runtime, so pacman -Rsu should take care of all that. I'll look at .local/share/Steam, though!
2022-08-02 21:55:01	cyphertite	hmmh, I run KDE, so Filelight works for me, but `du -h` is always very quick to analyse the contents of a specific folder
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2022-08-02 21:56:03	teraflops	gdu is blazing fast
2022-08-02 21:56:19	glitsj16	river: baobab is in extra
2022-08-02 21:56:41	river	i no longer use baobab, because I switched to gdmap from it
2022-08-02 21:56:48	river	baobab is being deprecated by gnome
2022-08-02 21:56:51	glitsj16	k
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2022-08-02 21:57:24	teraflops	!🐐
2022-08-02 21:57:24	phrik	https://i.imgur.com/263enxT.jpg
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2022-08-03 11:57:01	stefanc_diff	cache_return: if you run    sudo tlp-stat -b    do you see any battery output ?  From your question is not clear if the battery doesn't come up in your WM/DE battery applet or it is not visible at all (if so how is the laptop working ?)
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2022-08-03 11:59:10	cache_return	I don't have tlp installed
2022-08-03 11:59:22	cache_return	I can install it
2022-08-03 11:59:22	Jookia	hi! i updated arch and now i can't boot because it doesn't find libapparmor.so.1 in the initramfs. anyone else hit this?
2022-08-03 11:59:33	cache_return	the battery shows up in upower
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2022-08-03 12:00:14	cache_return	It shows that it's 63% charged, but if I unplug AC, I get a hard power off.
2022-08-03 12:00:53	cache_return	No charging light when I plug in the charger, but the power button blinks three times to show AC connected.
2022-08-03 12:01:22	ugjka	try the lts kernel
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2022-08-03 12:02:54	ugjka	who knows
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2022-08-03 12:03:45	cache_return	It's unlikely. If there was a kernel problem, I could still get a charging light when the power is off.
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2022-08-03 12:05:07	Jookia	i somehow fixed it after like the 2nd try
2022-08-03 12:05:17	cache_return	My question, more specifically, is whether any of these packages like linux-firmware change anything that could impact the charging. Maybe changing kernel means changing firmware, but I am still wondering whether a software change can cause this.
2022-08-03 12:06:31	artefact	Jookia: can you post your mkinitcpio.conf?
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2022-08-03 12:06:49	Jookia	i deleted the initramfs and re-made them and also installed btrfs-progs
2022-08-03 12:06:52	Jookia	so i dunno what's up there
2022-08-03 12:06:56	Jookia	artefact: is it relevant if it sfixed now
2022-08-03 12:07:05	artefact	i guess not
2022-08-03 12:07:24	artefact	i wonder what hook/program would need that lib in early boot. it's not on mine
2022-08-03 12:08:01	Jookia	cache_return: power management on a laptop is complex and contains many different systems from ACPI to linux to firmware on embedded controllers to drivers. does this problem happen in the BIOS screeN/
2022-08-03 12:08:29	cache_return	stefanc_diff: http://sprunge.us/F2Ywmc
2022-08-03 12:09:02	cache_return	Jookia, ^ tlp-stat -b
2022-08-03 12:09:24	cache_return	Jookia: As far as I can tell, there is no bios option to view battery info.
2022-08-03 12:09:45	Jookia	so if you unplug during BIOS setup menu it doesn't instantly turn off?
2022-08-03 12:10:08	teraflops	maybe you have to re-calibrate the battery?
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2022-08-03 12:10:25	cache_return	Jookia: I'm sure that it will. Should I try, for science?
2022-08-03 12:10:34	Jookia	cache_return: sure. if it does, it's not a linux problem
2022-08-03 12:10:41	cache_return	teraflops: like force discharge?
2022-08-03 12:10:54	teraflops	force discharge then full charge iirc
2022-08-03 12:11:24	cache_return	teraflops: That occurred to me, but I can't remember how to do it correctly
2022-08-03 12:11:45	cache_return	maybe tlp can do it now that I have it installed
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2022-08-03 12:12:59	cache_return	chargeonce does not do it
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2022-08-03 12:15:23	cache_return	lolll I have returned from tartarus to tell you that tlp discharge BAT0 is a fast poweroff
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2022-08-03 12:19:40	artefact	you can also try live usb and see if the issue persists
2022-08-03 12:19:52	teraflops	that's a good idea
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2022-08-03 12:22:01	cache_return	I guess I'll go down that rabbithole for a while.
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2022-08-03 12:23:35	adigitoleo	Hello, earlier today I rolled over to kernel 5.18.15 and could not boot into my Intel NUC (NUC8i7HNK). I flashed BIOS (which was out of date) but still couldn't get past POST (black screen, no inputs). I used a live USB to roll back to 5.18.14 and now it is fine. I think these NUC boxes are somewhat popular among arch users, should I report this somewhere?
2022-08-03 12:24:24	Foxboron	adigitoleo: please see https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/75478
2022-08-03 12:24:25	phrik	Title: FS#75478 : [linux] Modifications in 5.18.15 addressing Retbleed may prevent booting on AMD CPUs (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-08-03 12:25:00	Tom^	Foxboron: mitigations=off and get less bugs. :p
2022-08-03 12:25:14	Foxboron	Tom^: :)
2022-08-03 12:25:24	adigitoleo	Foxboron: but my CPU is an i7
2022-08-03 12:27:05	Foxboron	adigitoleo: I know, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is the issue you are facing. See if the cmdline options helps you
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2022-08-03 12:29:42	NetSysFire	ironically 5.18.15-5 fixed some regressions for me
2022-08-03 12:30:27	jelle	I hope it fixes my network issue :p
2022-08-03 12:31:00	NetSysFire	i faced some baaaad regressions which introduced extremely high cpu load on setting up namespaces
2022-08-03 12:31:26	NetSysFire	it went from 35 ms -> 800 ms -> 10000+ ms
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2022-08-03 12:32:18	jelle	O_O
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2022-08-03 12:33:13	NetSysFire	and since i use firejail (i had a conversation with glitsj16 in here about just that) it made running many applications impossible. systemd sandboxing was affected, too afaik
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2022-08-03 12:33:17	NetSysFire	but luckily its back to normal now
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2022-08-03 12:34:56	adigitoleo	that parameter doesn't seem to solve my issue
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2022-08-03 12:37:19	jelle	adigitoleo: then it's time to downgrade the kernel
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2022-08-03 12:38:46	adigitoleo	Yep, thanks for the suggestion though, was worth a try
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2022-08-03 12:39:27	glitsj16	NetSysFire: it's interesting that both firejail and systemd sandboxing were affected. but thanks to your observations we're aware of potential regressions now, so we're keeping eyes on it in future kernel releases. i should try to contact bubblewrap maintainers to check if they noticed similar issues
2022-08-03 12:39:40	NetSysFire	good idea
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2022-08-03 13:37:33	HuntsMan	is it "normal" that pipewire segfaults often? (> 2 times per day)
2022-08-03 13:42:32	artefact	no
2022-08-03 13:42:48	artefact	if it's always the same backtrace, report issue
2022-08-03 13:42:54	artefact	if it isn't, probably faulty h/w
2022-08-03 14:19:09	mrkiko	Hello! I read about a new irssi version, but did not see it packaged on Arch. Was wondering if this didn't happen yet by chance, or if there where someblocking reasons. Thanks to all of you.
2022-08-03 14:19:42	Namarrgon	what did you read and where?
2022-08-03 14:20:11	Namarrgon	look at arch's packaged version, compare it to whatever upstream released
2022-08-03 14:24:29	artefact	upstream is 1.4.2, arch has 1.2.3 flagged out of date two months ago
2022-08-03 14:24:40	artefact	not much you can do beside nudge the packager, or grab a newer version off the aur
2022-08-03 14:25:29	ShapeShifter499	hi
2022-08-03 14:25:30	mrkiko	Namarrgon: artefact: thanks! Well, I am not in a hurry. Was just wonderinf if something "unusual" happened
2022-08-03 14:25:52	artefact	aur -git seems broken too, b/c the build system changed
2022-08-03 14:26:43	vqueiroz	jack is just amazing. I can easily keep Google Chrome playing cartoon for my daughter on my JBL Go 3 and listen to music while working on my TWS <3
2022-08-03 14:27:02	ShapeShifter499	does anyone here know if 'systemd-tmpfiles' waits for all mounts in /etc/fstab before running?     I tried setting 'D! /mnt/kumo_raid/duplicati_home/tmp_dir 1777 duplicati duplicati-backup 0'    in a file '/etc/tmpfiles.d/duplicati-tmp.conf'  But it didn't actually remove the old files there after a reboot
2022-08-03 14:27:55	vqueiroz	Damn. All games are *just working* with my NVIDIA, apparently the problem was just the Intel GPU on my old laptop.
2022-08-03 14:27:58	vqueiroz	They just work.
2022-08-03 14:28:07	vqueiroz	Not sure if it's related to me installing vkd3d
2022-08-03 14:28:44	mrkiko	thanks
2022-08-03 14:29:57	artefact	ShapeShifter499: it runs after local-fs.target, so it should
2022-08-03 14:30:17	artefact	if it doesn't work, you can add a RequireMountsFor= override
2022-08-03 14:30:48	ShapeShifter499	artefact, anything wrong with that line I set?
2022-08-03 14:31:04	artefact	is that filesystem marked as "noauto" in fstab?
2022-08-03 14:32:28	ShapeShifter499	no
2022-08-03 14:32:53	ShapeShifter499	I have it set as _netdev
2022-08-03 14:33:41	artefact	that's prob why it's not part of local-fs.target
2022-08-03 14:34:14	artefact	so override RequiresMountsFor= or add Requires=remote-fs.target
2022-08-03 14:34:41	ShapeShifter499	actually, I think I set it for a different reason and forgot to remove it
2022-08-03 14:34:51	ShapeShifter499	I don't have any reason to have the mount wait
2022-08-03 15:43:17	ShapeShifter499	artefact, thank you for the help. I have it working now.
2022-08-03 15:43:58	susi	ShapeShifter499: Odo?
2022-08-03 15:44:36	ShapeShifter499	susi, I'm sorry?
2022-08-03 15:45:18	susi	ShapeShifter499: Odo, the shapeshifter at Deep Space 9
2022-08-03 15:45:27	ShapeShifter499	oooh xD
2022-08-03 15:45:53	ShapeShifter499	I feel bad I missed the reference
2022-08-03 15:50:55	ShapeShifter499	susi, came up with the name just because I would love to be able to shapeshift... and because the original username was taken at some online service I tried to sign up to years ago and was the alternate suggestion. It just stuck
2022-08-03 15:54:34	choram	Hello!
2022-08-03 15:54:47	choram	Hi!
2022-08-03 15:55:08	Scimmia	!give choram welcome
2022-08-03 15:55:08	phrik	choram: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-08-03 15:55:39	nathan	well, it started when I was born
2022-08-03 15:55:55	choram	actually nothing was screwed up now
2022-08-03 15:56:06	choram	i just started irc chat
2022-08-03 16:08:08	sorta	https://0x0.st/oe9K.txt
2022-08-03 16:08:08	sorta	got this while updating today
2022-08-03 16:08:38	sorta	i installed arch keyring before update with -Sy archlinux-keyring as well
2022-08-03 16:10:44	sorta	huh thats strange i reran it and it worked
2022-08-03 16:15:09	oriba	there is a problem with python-mysql-connector, which started with version 8.0.30 together with Mariadb, but might be solved with python-mariadb-connector (which seems not to be available via pacman intstall?)
2022-08-03 16:15:30	oriba	is there such a package python-mariadb-connector at all?
2022-08-03 16:15:59	oriba	some information on the problems I could find here: https://www.reddit.com/r/mariadb/comments/wa96kh/mysqlconnectorerrorsprogrammingerror_character/
2022-08-03 16:16:21	oriba	downgrading to 8.0.28 also worked for me
2022-08-03 16:16:59	oriba	but I would like to have a stable solution
2022-08-03 16:17:23	oriba	any ideas on how to fix the problem?
2022-08-03 16:18:01	Scimmia	No actual idea, but https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/python-mariadb-connector exists
2022-08-03 16:18:06	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - python-mariadb-connector (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-08-03 16:18:32	Scimmia	looks like it's a bit out of date, though
2022-08-03 16:19:47	ponies	has it not been renamed to just mysql.connector? 
2022-08-03 16:19:59	ponies	i connect to mariadb w that 
2022-08-03 16:23:17	oriba	ok, sent reminder to update the package to the package maintainer, hoping it will be updated soon
2022-08-03 17:14:39	skeemer	hello all, i have a problem with virtualbox after an update, i really can't understand what's the problem. When i try to launch a vm it just remains stuck and I can't even kill fully the process... how can i debug this? where are the logs?
2022-08-03 17:15:37	Edu4rdSHL	skeemer, the kernel was upgraded?
2022-08-03 17:16:20	skeemer	Edu4rdSHL, yes
2022-08-03 17:16:34	Edu4rdSHL	And you rebooted after the upgrade?
2022-08-03 17:16:39	skeemer	yes Edu4rdSHL 
2022-08-03 17:16:46	skeemer	multiple times i have this installed core/linux 5.18.15.arch1-2 [installed]
2022-08-03 17:16:54	skeemer	and this community/virtualbox-host-modules-arch 6.1.36-7 [installed]
2022-08-03 17:17:07	skeemer	and this of course community/virtualbox 6.1.36-1 [installed]
2022-08-03 17:17:33	skeemer	should community/libvirt be installed ? i don't have i installedi noticed
2022-08-03 17:17:56	Edu4rdSHL	That shouln't cause any problem. Is there anything relevant on the journal?
2022-08-03 17:20:56	evilop	skeemer: if you are using virtualbox directly then you don't need libvirt
2022-08-03 17:31:07	Scimmia	skeemer: you've booted that kernel?
2022-08-03 17:37:10	skeemer	Edu4rdSHL, how do i check the journal?
2022-08-03 17:37:32	artefact	journalctl -b
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2022-08-03 17:39:20	skeemer	artefact, how do i get only the ones related to virtualbox  ?
2022-08-03 17:39:34	pzerone	hey guys, i've enabled discard=async on my btrfs filesystems when i installed arch. i would like to disable that and enable fstrim.timer for periodic trim. how do i do that?
2022-08-03 17:40:13	evilop	just change the mount option?
2022-08-03 17:40:14	Scimmia	pzerone: see fstab
2022-08-03 17:40:41	pzerone	will editing etc/fstab do the trick?
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2022-08-03 21:03:40	spine-o-saurus	ok i had to load the modeline manually
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2022-08-03 21:21:13	spine-o-saurus	ugh I got some weird issue where xorg just stops responding after an arbitrary time. the mouse still moves though but nothing else changes
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2022-08-03 21:21:32	spine-o-saurus	what would cause that?
2022-08-03 21:22:48	spine-o-saurus	dmesg reports segfault for all applications that are launched
2022-08-03 21:23:04	spine-o-saurus	in libgdk
2022-08-03 21:23:11	teraflops	which gpu is this that requires to handcraft modelines and makes xorg to segfault?
2022-08-03 21:23:50	spine-o-saurus	intel tigerlake Iris XE graphics
2022-08-03 21:24:17	artefact	teraflops: couldn't that be caused by a broken monitor too? (eg doesn't send good edid)
2022-08-03 21:24:34	artefact	or bad adapter if you have an active one
2022-08-03 21:24:53	teraflops	the gpu being the culprit is a theory tbh
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2022-08-03 21:27:36	spine-o-saurus	hmm i had no issue on devuan or bodhi
2022-08-03 21:27:42	teraflops	here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/intel_graphics there are some advices regarding iris graphics
2022-08-03 21:27:44	phrik	Title: Intel graphics - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-08-03 21:28:02	spine-o-saurus	missing some firmware or something?
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2022-08-03 21:36:51	teraflops	spine-o-saurus: are you using xf86-video-intel ?
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2022-08-03 21:37:03	spine-o-saurus	ya
2022-08-03 21:37:13	teraflops	tried uninstalling it?
2022-08-03 21:37:38	spine-o-saurus	no why would i do that
2022-08-03 21:37:55	teraflops	because is outdated ans buggy
2022-08-03 21:37:58	teraflops	and^
2022-08-03 21:38:12	spine-o-saurus	just use the vesa driver then?
2022-08-03 21:38:40	HuntsMan	spine-o-saurus: no, modesetting driver
2022-08-03 21:39:07	teraflops	spine-o-saurus: read the highlited square of text here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/intel_graphics#Installation
2022-08-03 21:39:08	phrik	Title: Intel graphics - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-08-03 21:41:28	spine-o-saurus	oh ok, now all the modes are showing up
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2022-08-04 05:22:49	mechs	wassup
2022-08-04 05:22:56	thurstylark	!welcomerpg
2022-08-04 05:22:57	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how many .pacnew files you ignored.
2022-08-04 05:23:37	merced	16
2022-08-04 05:31:01	mechs	i have ignored quite the number
2022-08-04 05:32:28	gehidore	I've ignored 100% of them for years until something breaks then I care (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
2022-08-04 05:33:02	merced	just create a cronjob that deletes all files older than a year, that runs every year
2022-08-04 05:33:16	merced	that'll take care of those pesky files
2022-08-04 05:33:50	mpan	gehidore is having bad influence on users.
2022-08-04 05:34:30	gehidore	makes life exciting
2022-08-04 05:34:43	gehidore	os roulette as it where
2022-08-04 05:35:51	thurstylark	chaos monkey, but for arch :P
2022-08-04 05:36:05	merced	chaos sysadmining
2022-08-04 05:36:27	mpan	Reminds me of the sudo roulette I had in my forum sig. Random paste from ptpb.pw, piped to `sudo bash`. :3
2022-08-04 05:36:36	gehidore	worst part is I've got 2 production and one dev environment on arch
2022-08-04 05:36:45	thurstylark	merced: well, yes... I was referring to https://github.com/Netflix/chaosmonkey :P
2022-08-04 05:37:02	gehidore	psdoom
2022-08-04 05:37:07	merced	mpan: talk about bad influence 
2022-08-04 05:37:08	gehidore	ftw
2022-08-04 05:37:18	merced	thurstylark: lmao wtf is this
2022-08-04 05:37:32	merced	oh, literal chaos engineering
2022-08-04 05:37:34	merced	nice
2022-08-04 05:37:34	thurstylark	how to force your engineers into doing *real* HA :P
2022-08-04 05:38:05	merced	support: simian army google group
2022-08-04 05:39:31	Edu4rdSHL	Oh no, gehidore giving bad advices 
2022-08-04 05:40:11	gehidore	I didn't give any advices, I stated how little I pay attention to pacnew files :)
2022-08-04 05:40:52	gehidore	heck I had to add parallel downloads as an option to both production machines the other day cause I wasn't willing to pacdiff at the moment
2022-08-04 05:41:08	gehidore	I'm horrible never do what I do
2022-08-04 05:41:43	gehidore	btw I use bash
2022-08-04 05:42:21	Edu4rdSHL	I see, a man of culture that uses the only real shell
2022-08-04 05:42:26	⚡ 	thurstylark just has pacdiff tell him what's up at the end of pacman transactions: https://git.thurstylark.com/archive/tl-pacdiff-hook
2022-08-04 05:43:09	gehidore	thurstylark I like that
2022-08-04 05:43:25	mechs	i use zsh
2022-08-04 05:43:31	gehidore	I snapshot pre pacman transaction at least
2022-08-04 05:43:51	gehidore	my script for that is probably 4 years out of date
2022-08-04 05:44:08	merced	back in my day, i had to get my source files on floppy and compile them myself
2022-08-04 05:44:17	gehidore	thurstylark pm me that please?
2022-08-04 05:44:25	thurstylark	sure :)
2022-08-04 05:44:26	Edu4rdSHL	I do daily snapshots because if I do pre-pacman snapshots I would be making a snapshot every 5 minutes
2022-08-04 05:44:59	gehidore	mine nukes the oldest of 5 snapshots
2022-08-04 05:45:46	gehidore	thanks thurstylark 
2022-08-04 05:48:11	thurstylark	np
2022-08-04 05:58:57	thurstylark	fwiw, there is a similar project that already is packaged in the AUR, mine just predates it, so I threw mine together :P
2022-08-04 06:00:03	thurstylark	mine also runs on *every* transaction, and only shows the file list, but whatever :P
2022-08-04 07:35:22	jnatten	anyone familiar with new dell-laptops and if there is a way to get fan-control working? I just got a xps 9520 and can't get i8k to work the same way i did on my previous xps (9560) so the fans are way louder
2022-08-04 08:43:37	UrsaTempest	hello. i shutdown my laptop, and when I booted, I see the kernel try to boot and currently stopped at 'switched to clocksource tsc'. the last thing I did is swapping my old cat5e lan cable to a newer cat5e, and when I swapped it back, the boot still doesn't continue. i last updated my system roughly three days ago. i'm no even sure how i diagnose this, any advice?
2022-08-04 08:45:02	UrsaTempest	... oh, so it might be kernel? dang.
2022-08-04 08:45:11	thursdaylark	yeap, just came to that same conclusion
2022-08-04 08:45:27	thursdaylark	either switch to lts, or downgrade until it gets fixed
2022-08-04 08:46:58	nl6720	if this is about https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/75478 then linux-lts is affected too
2022-08-04 08:46:58	phrik	Title: FS#75478 : [linux] Modifications in 5.18.15 addressing Retbleed may prevent booting on AMD CPUs (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-08-04 08:48:11	thursdaylark	nah, I think this is different than the kernel panic on boot that AMD machines are experiencing
2022-08-04 08:48:26	nl6720	oh, never mind then
2022-08-04 08:48:45	thursdaylark	but good to know that lts is also affected, so I can stop recommending it to those having that problem :P
2022-08-04 08:49:04	nl6720	regressions regularly get backported to lts kernels, so it's rarely a solution
2022-08-04 08:49:26	nl6720	the only thing it's good for is out-of-tree drivers
2022-08-04 08:49:34	nl6720	*modules
2022-08-04 08:49:52	thursdaylark	makes sense. 
2022-08-04 09:30:37	jnatten	h4rd3n3d_: I haven't, but i also don't think that dell provides linux-drivers themselves outside of what is in the kernel
2022-08-04 09:30:54	jnatten	Atleast the website only says "Windows 11" in the operating system dropdown
2022-08-04 09:31:54	jnatten	here: https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-uk/product-support/product/xps-15-9520-laptop/drivers
2022-08-04 10:22:29	michelesr[m]	<jnatten> "anyone familiar with new dell-..." <- The only thing i remember that manual fan control is achieved by a low level call to SMM which interrupts the CPU and causes audio bumps which are not pleasant
2022-08-04 10:23:24	michelesr[m]	Is automatic fan control that bad? On XPS 9570 as long as you take the nvidia card off fans are silent most of the time
2022-08-04 10:40:20	jnatten	The automatic is _working_ but i find it pretty bad. I have a 9560 which got _way_ better after using i8kmon to monitor
2022-08-04 11:27:21	michelesr[m]	They like to change stuff: in XPS 9570 they brake an internal api to retrieve sensor labels (the driver now shows only temp1 temp2 instead of ambient cpu and so on)
2022-08-04 11:27:27	michelesr[m]	broke*
2022-08-04 11:32:19	Luyin	hi, I'm trying to add a specific script to my sudoers line so that I can execute it without needing to enter the password. I want to put it in the /etc/sudoers.d/ directory to keep my sudoers cleaner. I followed this guide: https://askubuntu.com/a/159009 and put the output of `hostname` (which is "T460" in my case) where they put "host": `alex T460 = (root) NOPASSWD: /home/alex/.bin/backup.sh`,
2022-08-04 11:32:21	phrik	Title: How do I run specific sudo commands without a password? - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
2022-08-04 11:32:21	Luyin	and when I try to :wq, visudo comments with this error: /etc/sudoers.d/backup:2:55: Host_Alias "T460" referenced but not defined. Now I'm wondering, do I need to define my own host as an alias or is there an existing one I can use? aliasing the hostname of the system itself looks redundant to me.
2022-08-04 11:33:45	Namarrgon	what is the exact content of that new snippet`
2022-08-04 11:33:47	Namarrgon	?
2022-08-04 11:33:54	Namarrgon	does it start with the user's name?
2022-08-04 11:34:05	Namarrgon	the account name, that is
2022-08-04 11:39:51	hlz	anyone know when the new arch release will be out? :D
2022-08-04 11:40:05	sogens	lol
2022-08-04 11:40:06	Namarrgon	hlz: once the new kernel is in the repos
2022-08-04 11:40:28	sogens	every day is a new day for arch
2022-08-04 11:40:47	Namarrgon	not that it matters much which iso you install from
2022-08-04 11:41:25	hlz	i want the august release :P was gettign some kind of annoying qemu message during intallation from the july one
2022-08-04 11:41:37	Namarrgon	which message?
2022-08-04 11:43:11	hlz	Namarrgon: timed out waiting for device /dev/virtio-ports/org.qemu.guest_agent.0
2022-08-04 11:43:13	hlz	qemu guest agent
2022-08-04 11:43:36	Namarrgon	does that break anything or is it just annoying?
2022-08-04 11:43:54	nl6720	it shouldn't take very long to timeout
2022-08-04 11:44:52	hlz	just annoying i think. it showed that when i was trying to run timedatectl set-ntp true during the initial stages of installation. i mean ntp did get set correctly. but i figured, since the new august arch release will be out i might as well try to make a new usb install disc and try again instead of going through with the installation
2022-08-04 11:46:49	nl6720	hlz: for reference, here's the notice about the delay: https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/arch-dev-public@lists.archlinux.org/thread/5RIRXL2ZMPIWQCUKNENO7BFMMPOIPKPR/
2022-08-04 11:46:50	phrik	Title: Postponing August ISO due to kernel bug - Arch-dev-public - lists.archlinux.org (at lists.archlinux.org)
2022-08-04 11:47:20	Namarrgon	that message will have little effect, if any, on the result
2022-08-04 11:49:02	Luyin	Namarrgon: the line I posted plus a comment line, here: https://paste.xinu.at/EG30AD/
2022-08-04 11:49:33	Luyin	and sudoers itself: https://paste.xinu.at/7403k9/
2022-08-04 11:54:53	zeewark	hello, I have another issue with globbing pattern, this time with pacman 
2022-08-04 11:55:01	zeewark	I have several arch packages as zst or xz archives
2022-08-04 11:55:23	zeewark	I want to install them all with: pacman --noconfirm -U *.{zst,xz}
2022-08-04 11:55:31	zeewark	but this doesn't work
2022-08-04 11:56:28	Jookia	did you try ls *.{zxst,xz}
2022-08-04 11:56:33	tirnanog	what happens if you run: printf '%s\n' *.{zst,xz}
2022-08-04 11:57:16	zeewark	yes this works, that's normal pattern globbering, but it doesn't work for pacman
2022-08-04 11:57:33	nl6720	it's the shell that parses the glob, not pacman
2022-08-04 11:57:52	tirnanog	it's not actually a glob, though it's a parameter expansion that gets split into two globs. it has nothing to do with pacman.
2022-08-04 11:57:58	hlz	nl6720: oh thank you very much!
2022-08-04 11:58:32	tirnanog	brace expansion, rather.
2022-08-04 11:59:29	nl6720	zeewark: how exactly it "doesn't work"?
2022-08-04 11:59:43	zeewark	however, there are no packaes installed, only with pacman --noconfirm -U *.xz
2022-08-04 11:59:56	zeewark	then only the xz archives are installed
2022-08-04 12:00:23	zeewark	but with the braces and the pattern, no package at all is installed
2022-08-04 12:00:32	tirnanog	printf '%s\n' *.{zst,xz} | nc termbin.com 9999
2022-08-04 12:00:34	Namarrgon	Luyin: is that the only snippet in sudoers.d?
2022-08-04 12:00:53	wunit	zeewark: what shell is that?
2022-08-04 12:01:36	zeewark	its's a bash
2022-08-04 12:01:46	Namarrgon	Luyin: does ALL work instead of the hostname "T460"?
2022-08-04 12:04:02	zeewark	if I evoke this command its says "couldn't find '*.xz'
2022-08-04 12:04:18	Jookia	you don't have any xz files then probably
2022-08-04 12:05:12	tirnanog	that's neither what bash prints, nor pacman prints under the circumstances.
2022-08-04 12:05:18	zeewark	I have 4 of them, I can install them with pacman --noconfirm -U *.xz
2022-08-04 12:05:29	zeewark	but not with the braces
2022-08-04 12:05:34	tirnanog	not even with failglob would bash print exactly that.
2022-08-04 12:06:29	wunit	zeewark: please paste the full, exact pacman command and its output somewhere instead of paraphrasing what you're seeing
2022-08-04 12:06:29	zeewark	its within a chroot env
2022-08-04 12:06:39	wunit	(to a paste service, that is)
2022-08-04 12:07:16	tirnanog	( shopt; printf '%s\n' *.{zst,xz} ) 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
2022-08-04 12:07:43	Namarrgon	are you sure you're using bash in the chroot, too? if you didn't point chroot at bash it will default to 'sh'
2022-08-04 12:08:11	Namarrgon	or whatever you use as /bin/sh
2022-08-04 12:12:59	zeewark	https://pastebin.com/cuWnXWNK
2022-08-04 12:13:00	phrik	Title: [root@misc /]# pacman --noconfirm -U *.{xz,zst}loading packages...error: '*. - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-08-04 12:13:00	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oeW7.wQrQPJQo
2022-08-04 12:13:37	wunit	zeewark: voilà, the error says it cannot find the .zst files, nothing about .xz files
2022-08-04 12:13:40	zeewark	ah yes which $0 is /bin/bash
2022-08-04 12:13:41	wunit	which makes sense now
2022-08-04 12:13:43	tirnanog	there are no matches for *.zst in that directory.
2022-08-04 12:13:54	tirnanog	therefore, *.zst expands as itself, and pacman - quite rightly - complains about it.
2022-08-04 12:14:16	zeewark	thats right, but there are xz archives, and they should be installed
2022-08-04 12:14:22	tirnanog	no.
2022-08-04 12:14:35	tirnanog	because pacman sees an argument that cannot be processed.
2022-08-04 12:14:52	tirnanog	it's a matter of rigour that it should complain and exit no-zero in that case.
2022-08-04 12:14:57	tirnanog	non-zero*
2022-08-04 12:16:03	tirnanog	if you don't like it, run "shopt -s nullglob" first.
2022-08-04 12:16:51	zeewark	and if I need a solutions for: there could be zst or xz archives, and they should be installed, any of them?
2022-08-04 12:17:00	tirnanog	I just gave you one.
2022-08-04 12:17:26	zeewark	with shopt?
2022-08-04 12:18:37	tirnanog	you can enable nullglob in bash so that globs that don't match anything are elided. or, you can enable extglob and use *.@(xz|zst) instead.
2022-08-04 12:19:56	tirnanog	extglob is useful in an interactive context. I wouldn't personally recommend enabling nullglob in an interactive context permanently.
2022-08-04 12:20:09	tirnanog	so maybe ( shopt -s nullglob; pacman -U ... )
2022-08-04 12:21:24	zeewark	that works, shopt -s nullglob
2022-08-04 12:22:43	tirnanog	my warning stands. nullglob can have surprising side-effects an in interactive shell if left enabled. enclosing the command in parentheses limits the effect to a subshell.
2022-08-04 12:24:37	zeewark	I see, its within a script, but I'll put it in a subshell ( shopt -s ...)
2022-08-04 12:24:51	tirnanog	scripts are fine. use your own judgement in that case.
2022-08-04 12:25:28	tirnanog	an example of a surprising effect would be, say, proceeding to run ls *.nonexistent and having ls list everything (because it is given no additional operands), rather than raising an error.
2022-08-04 12:25:46	zeewark	try to wrap my brain around it, the pattern is valid for commands like ls, but for pacman all preconditions have to be fullfilled
2022-08-04 12:25:48	tirnanog	also.
2022-08-04 12:26:18	tirnanog	well.
2022-08-04 12:26:44	Namarrgon	you're basically telling pacman to install something that doesn't exist, erroring out is a very natural response
2022-08-04 12:27:15	Namarrgon	this is an issue with shell programming, not with pacman
2022-08-04 12:27:31	tirnanog	for a script, if you want to implement your own error handling strategy, you could do something like: packages=(*.zst *.xz); if (( ! ${#packages[@]} )); then echo "No packages found in current directory" >&2; exit 1; fi; pacman -U "${packages[@]}". that's assuming that nullglob is in efffect in the script.
2022-08-04 12:27:59	tirnanog	or, you could just let pacman complain. it's easier. pacman -U *.zst *.xz || exit
2022-08-04 12:28:22	Namarrgon	why are the packages compressed differently, btw?
2022-08-04 12:28:26	tirnanog	if you took the extglob route, pacman would only complain if no packages with either extension were found.
2022-08-04 12:28:36	tirnanog	pacman -U *.@(zst|xz) || exit
2022-08-04 12:28:54	tirnanog	so that's probably a reasonable balance for your scripting purposes.
2022-08-04 12:29:22	zeewark	I use this script on different hosts
2022-08-04 12:47:04	bobsy	hi
2022-08-04 12:47:39	bobsy	im trying to make a PKGBUILD using a release from github but when i go to build the package i'm met with this problem:
2022-08-04 12:47:40	bobsy	==> Starting build()...
2022-08-04 12:47:40	bobsy	warning: Not a git repository. Use --no-index to compare two paths outside a working tree
2022-08-04 12:48:45	Namarrgon	post the PKGBUILD to a paste service
2022-08-04 12:50:40	bobsy	https://pastebin.com/0u9fvqjv
2022-08-04 12:50:41	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oe48.CKkKe3Hr
2022-08-04 12:50:41	phrik	Title: bobsy - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-08-04 12:51:24	bobsy	i only found one git diff reference in the /Makefile of the tarball and i added --no-index but it appears thats not what is calling git diff
2022-08-04 12:51:42	Namarrgon	can you post the makepkg output, too?
2022-08-04 12:53:04	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-08-04 12:53:08	bobsy	https://pastebin.com/16WEzMyn
2022-08-04 12:53:09	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oe4P.Q4u9loJ3
2022-08-04 12:53:09	phrik	Title: bobsy - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2022-08-04 12:56:09	bobsy	if i change it to make instead of make build-release might i mention it opens up another kettle of fish
2022-08-04 12:57:04	Namarrgon	the makefile runs git unconditionally, i don't think upstream supports anything but working from git clones
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2022-08-04 12:58:18	bobsy	Namarrgon, upstream?
2022-08-04 12:58:39	Namarrgon	the folks who work on kazoo
2022-08-04 12:59:30	Namarrgon	upstream is where the code comes from, downstream where it goes
2022-08-04 12:59:52	bobsy	gotcha
2022-08-04 13:00:23	bobsy	i'll try a different approach
2022-08-04 13:00:36	susi	should I use type '-' or 'hard' for maxsyslogins in limits.conf, or does the type matter for this?
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2022-08-04 13:03:02	ℹ 	Tema establecido por alad (alad@archlinux/op/alad) el jue, 28 jul 2022 19:12:50
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2022-08-04 13:03:03	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-08-04 13:03:12	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-08-04 13:03:12	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-08-04 13:04:25	Luyin	Namarrgon: yes, it's the only snippet! I've put ALL in and it works! thank you :)
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2022-08-04 13:15:27	Namarrgon	Luyin: weird, what does 'hostnamectl' return?
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2022-08-04 13:16:20	alloy	anyone here know how to hand edit the whisker menu on xfce?
2022-08-04 13:16:32	alloy	I know it's not arch specific but it's on Arch lol
2022-08-04 13:16:55	Luyin	Namarrgon: https://paste.xinu.at/QcZ/
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2022-08-04 13:17:20	Luyin	Namarrgon: could it be something silly like a need to quote the hostname? 'T460' instead of plain T460?
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2022-08-04 15:04:34	Dev1ls	maybe you need to refresh your keyring
2022-08-04 15:05:52	evilop	which versions?
2022-08-04 15:08:13	fl4co	evilop: versions of what?
2022-08-04 15:41:59	evilop	Namarrgon │ pacman -Si bitwarden electron electron19
2022-08-04 16:01:11	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-08-04 16:27:29	archwise90	Hello! Anyone wants ti help me installing arch if i May find hard steps?
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2022-08-04 16:29:33	mingdao	Probably, archwise90 ; also /join #archlinux-newbie ; the Installation Guide is pretty easy if you have eXPerience with Linux distros.
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2022-08-04 16:30:01	mingdao	archwise90: Follow it, including the links inline for things such as a bootloader.
2022-08-04 16:30:08	archwise90	Thanks a lot
2022-08-04 16:30:17	archwise90	Gonna join the Channel
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2022-08-04 16:32:07	mingdao	archwise90: Also, when you join channels, remember to read the topic.  /topic if you don't see it when you join.
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2022-08-04 16:32:36	trampel	archwise90, while you're following the installation guide try to keep good notes.  not particularly about any steps you're uncertain about (e.g. '/dev/sda' or '/dev/sda1' at this step?")
2022-08-04 16:32:56	trampel	s/not/note/
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2022-08-04 16:35:31	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-08-04 16:38:41	archwise90	Ye i see It, i Just loaded the usb live and it tells me too
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2022-08-04 17:18:04	balrog	is there a good way of flattening the grub menu while still using grub-mkconfig?
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2022-08-04 17:20:47	teraflops	phrik: grub.cfg
2022-08-04 17:20:48	phrik	Write your own: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/User:Eschwartz/Grub#Write_the_configuration_from_scratch
2022-08-04 17:21:06	merced	the arch way(tm)
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2022-08-04 17:29:18	Namarrgon	you can disable the creation of submenues if that's what "flat" means
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2022-08-04 17:40:51	Vorpal	There seems to be something weird going on with how electron is packaged. pacman -Syu gave me:
2022-08-04 17:40:53	Vorpal	error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
2022-08-04 17:40:54	Vorpal	:: installing electron (20.0.0-1) breaks dependency 'electron19' required by element-desktop
2022-08-04 17:41:33	docrobot	had the same happen earlier with an older version of electron that bitwarden is dependent on
2022-08-04 17:41:39	Vorpal	pacman -S electron19 and letting it replace electron works, but it seems strange then that the latest version is packaged as electron instead of electron20. Because then you will run into the same issue again once electron21 comes out
2022-08-04 17:42:35	Vorpal	wouldn't it make more sense to always use electronNN, and have electron as some empty placeholder package depending on the most recent one?
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2022-08-04 17:46:21	another|	that would lead to unneeded packages installed over time
2022-08-04 17:46:47	Vorpal	another|: not really, I assume most users clean out pacman -Qtd regularly just like I do
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2022-08-04 17:47:41	another|	either way, this is how it's packaged
2022-08-04 17:47:52	Vorpal	and I'm going to file a bug about that
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2022-08-04 17:48:22	another|	okay
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2022-08-04 17:51:38	nahtjona	Is there a way to setup system wide my "prefered theme color" (as in light/dark), so other programs can pick it up? 
2022-08-04 17:51:40	Vorpal	another|: also: old versions accumulate already as packages that depend on electronNN move to newer versions
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2022-08-04 17:52:48	teraflops	nahtjona: gtk and qt have user-based mechanisms for that
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2022-08-04 17:53:14	Edu4rdSHL	lxappearance and qt5ct come to my mind
2022-08-04 17:53:20	Vorpal	another|: also, gtk4 is not packaged as just gtk, nor is qt6 packaged as just qt
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2022-08-04 17:56:26	another|	Vorpal: I have no hardened opinion on this.
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2022-08-04 17:56:38	Vorpal	fair enough
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2022-08-04 18:27:14	amosbird-	Hello! How can I specify a post hook for the vivaldi package so that it will run "mv /opt/vivaldi/vivaldi-bin /opt/vivaldi/chrome; ln -s /opt/vivaldi/chrome /opt/vivaldi/vivaldi-bin" after each update?
2022-08-04 18:28:59	Vorpal	wouldn't it make more sense to use a symlink for the name not in the package?
2022-08-04 18:29:13	Vorpal	then it just stays there and you don't need to update it
2022-08-04 18:30:41	Vorpal	also it seems strange to need this at all, since the .desktop file should presumably already point at the right binary (if it doesn't that is a bug either in arch or upstream)
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2022-08-04 18:33:56	Vorpal	amosbird-:  however if you still want to do that, you would need to create a .hook file in /etc/pacman.d/hooks that either trigger on the file or on the package. See man pacman-hooks
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2022-08-04 18:34:36	amosbird-	Vorpal: It's to change the process name
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2022-08-04 18:34:54	Vorpal	and that matters because?
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2022-08-04 18:35:16	amosbird-	Some identification process checks certain browsers only
2022-08-04 18:35:36	Vorpal	ah, sounds like a terrible piece of software then
2022-08-04 18:35:58	Vorpal	so if you want to go ahead with it, see the man page for pacman-hooks
2022-08-04 18:36:05	amosbird-	Cool. thanks
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2022-08-04 18:40:51	amosbird-	Hmm, with this hook file added : http://oracle.wentropy.com/e24e978a3034ec29  I got error "call to execv failed (No such file or directory)" when doing "pacman -S vivaldi"
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2022-08-04 18:42:49	Vorpal	well, at least it triggered correctly
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2022-08-04 18:43:13	Vorpal	however the issue is that it doesn't take a shell line
2022-08-04 18:43:15	Vorpal	it takes a command
2022-08-04 18:43:24	Vorpal	so you need to wrap it in a call to /bin/sh
2022-08-04 18:43:51	Vorpal	amosbird-: here is an example for my nvidia-dkms hook to trigger rebuilding the initramfs:
2022-08-04 18:43:54	Vorpal	Exec=/bin/sh -c 'while read -r trg; do case $trg in linux|linux-lts|linux-zen) exit 0; esac; done; /usr/bin/mkinitcpio -P'
2022-08-04 18:44:38	amosbird-	Vorpal: oh
2022-08-04 18:45:04	amosbird-	nice. thanks
2022-08-04 18:45:06	Vorpal	easy mistake to make
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2022-08-04 20:20:50	klmn	Hi. Is it possible to show (what are you typing) when using the compose key (via XCompose)?
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2022-08-04 20:23:12	artefact	not in a toolkit-agnostic manner, no
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2022-08-04 20:28:22	klmn	artefact, are you talking to me?
2022-08-04 20:28:34	endre	with evtest (for instance) it's possible
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2022-08-04 20:28:45	endre	it does not even need xorg
2022-08-04 20:28:57	jensen	when i install qemu-guest-agent, i get: "Failed to get unit file state for qemu-ga.service: No such file or directory". the service qemu-guest-agent doesn't start as well. any ideas?
2022-08-04 20:29:26	jensen	trying to install distro on vm and i get "Guest has not initialized the display (yet)."
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2022-08-04 21:27:34	bloodfart69	Is it possible to configure rnsnapshot to take a snapshot of my machine 
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2022-08-04 21:40:29	glitsj16	bloodfart69: personally never used rsnapshot, but it relies on rsync to do the heavy-lifting; rsync 3.2.4-2 is in testing, fixing a CVE (https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/75486) so you might want to wait for that to reach your arch installation before snapshotting
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2022-08-04 21:41:28	phrik	Title: Snapper - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-04 21:41:54	susi	it's there, community/rsnapshot
2022-08-04 21:42:40	glitsj16	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/rsnapshot
2022-08-04 21:42:42	phrik	Title: rsnapshot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-08-04 21:47:04	Booni	Hello everyone 
2022-08-04 21:47:09	NetSysFire	!welcomerpg
2022-08-04 21:47:10	phrik	Greetings, observer of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get devastated on this day?
2022-08-04 21:47:19	Booni	I think there is a bug with PAcman updates 
2022-08-04 21:47:25	Booni	error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
2022-08-04 21:47:25	Booni	:: installing electron (20.0.0-1) breaks dependency 'electron19' required by bitwarden
2022-08-04 21:48:08	NetSysFire	alex19EP is the maintainer of bitwarden
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2022-08-04 21:48:31	NetSysFire	Booni: wait where did you get electron19 from
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2022-08-04 21:48:54	NetSysFire	oh its a brand new package not in my sync database. nvm
2022-08-04 21:49:14	jkc	Yeah, electron is now electron20.
2022-08-04 21:49:48	Booni	NetSysFire: should be from Pacman 
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2022-08-04 21:50:13	Booni	Either Bitwarden needs to be updated for electron20 or there needs to be both packages available
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2022-08-04 21:50:30	Booni	If I remember correctly multiple Electron packages installed at the sometime is laready possible?
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2022-08-04 21:52:28	NetSysFire	glitsj16: Child process initialized in 3379.22 ms :(
2022-08-04 21:52:36	NetSysFire	for something as simple as man
2022-08-04 21:53:39	glitsj16	NetSysFire: ouch, i noticed you opening an issue on the firejail bugtracker
2022-08-04 21:53:52	NetSysFire	yeah just updating you on what i see
2022-08-04 21:54:07	NetSysFire	hmm hang on a second
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2022-08-04 21:55:58	glitsj16	NetSysFire: i get Child process initialized in 901.86 ms on `man firejail`
2022-08-04 21:56:15	NetSysFire	i will submit a very debug log in a moment, but
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2022-08-04 21:56:28	NetSysFire	firejail --ignore=quiet man firejail basically fails with Error getpwuid: main.c:243 init_cfg: No such file or directory
2022-08-04 21:56:46	NetSysFire	just man firejail (still firejailed) works
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2022-08-04 21:57:46	MrElendig	Booni: pacman --Syu bitwarden
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2022-08-04 21:58:24	glitsj16	NetSysFire: if you're using firecfg you should use the full path to /usr/bin/man
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2022-08-04 21:59:00	bloodfart69	glitsj16, I saw it and I was hesitant about it. Thanks for pointing this out 
2022-08-04 21:59:09	midnite	What's the easiest way to change the 'From' IP address for several ufw rules? besides deleting and re-adding each rule individually?
2022-08-04 21:59:15	NetSysFire	glitsj16: that works but why does ignore quiet in man.local in my .config do exactly nothing?
2022-08-04 21:59:20	bloodfart69	h4rd3n3d, Yeah my bad 
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2022-08-04 21:59:30	MrElendig	midnite: a for loop
2022-08-04 21:59:45	MrElendig	too bad ufw doesn't have a nice api
2022-08-04 22:00:00	midnite	yeah. I personally hate the UFW syntax and hate adding rules to it.
2022-08-04 22:00:11	glitsj16	bloodfart69: good thing you noticed :)
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2022-08-04 22:01:22	glitsj16	NetSysFire: it seems 'quiet' is in /etc/firejail/man.profile before including man.local
2022-08-04 22:01:33	glitsj16	so that's why i guess
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2022-08-04 22:03:09	NetSysFire	i think i opened an issue about this quite a while ago
2022-08-04 22:03:27	glitsj16	NetSysFire: i'll search for it
2022-08-04 22:03:49	NetSysFire	no its fine
2022-08-04 22:04:05	NetSysFire	https://github.com/netblue30/firejail/issues/3503
2022-08-04 22:04:12	NetSysFire	okay wow 2 years ago by now
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2022-08-04 22:08:41	midnite	turns out there is an easy way to bulk edit user rules for UFW: find and replace in /etc/ufw/user.rules :)
2022-08-04 22:09:39	ugjka	everything is a file who would have thought
2022-08-04 22:09:49	NetSysFire	hmm i am trying to record the exact timing of the namespace setup with /usr/bin/script but it does not appear to save the timing info to its file
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2022-08-04 22:14:06	glitsj16	NetSysFire: seems like the best workaround for the 'quiet' issue is still the one mentioned in https://github.com/netblue30/firejail/issues/3503#issuecomment-656034832
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2022-08-04 22:16:01	NetSysFire	i think this scriptreplay thing would be super duper helpful for you in combination with --debug, if i could figure out how to make it work
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2022-08-04 22:18:15	NetSysFire	omg it works
2022-08-04 22:18:17	glitsj16	NetSysFire: sounds like it would be
2022-08-04 22:18:20	⚡ 	NetSysFire submits to the issue
2022-08-04 22:18:30	glitsj16	great, having a look
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2022-08-04 22:19:35	NetSysFire	no wait i still need to upload
2022-08-04 22:20:05	glitsj16	no rush haha, i was on that issue page as it happens
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2022-08-05 09:46:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-08-05 09:46:04	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1411 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1411 normals)
2022-08-05 08:42:17	cyphertite	shapeshifter:  noted - glad nomodeset allowed you to proceed
2022-08-05 08:46:46	shapeshifter	But it's weird, I installed arch and also nvidia, nvidia-utils; Also added the 4 nvidia modules to the initcpio to be safe, but no matter what, modesetting doesn't work. Always have to add nomodeset to see anything.
2022-08-05 08:46:56	shapeshifter	I didn't have this problem on a previous install on this same exact hardware.
2022-08-05 08:47:10	shapeshifter	Even a similar display (same resolution, different maker)
2022-08-05 08:47:16	shapeshifter	nvidia modules are loaded properly.
2022-08-05 08:50:14	lolok	shapeshifter thr forcing your edid https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Forcing_modes_and_EDID
2022-08-05 08:50:15	phrik	Title: Kernel mode setting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-05 08:50:22	lolok	try*
2022-08-05 08:53:30	lolok	or just as a sanity check try with another monitor if you have one around
2022-08-05 09:07:57	shapeshifter	I don't have another screen. Can't find or extract an edid. I guess for now I'll continue with installing X, my guess is it'll work
2022-08-05 09:11:29	lolok	you can test one of the builtin ones eg 'drm.edid_firmware=edid/1920x1080.bin' on the kernel command line
2022-08-05 09:11:57	britney	hey shapeshifter 
2022-08-05 09:11:58	lolok	ideally youd like native res im sure but just to get things setup this may help
2022-08-05 09:33:25	shapeshifter	lolok: thanks I'll try that. At least it turns out that X is indeed working fine.
2022-08-05 09:33:28	shapeshifter	just the fb is broken
2022-08-05 09:46:04	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-08-05 10:40:07	ℹ 	litpap es conocido ahora como homma
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2022-08-05 10:42:52	jnatten	Anyone know why some of my applications freezes when i don't provide 'Option "DRI" "False" for my intel graphics in xorg when i enable TearFree?I'm running xf86-video-intel with i7-12700H on dell xps 9520
2022-08-05 10:43:15	jnatten	If i don't provide any options or dont use xf86-video-intel it works fine, but the tearing is horrible
2022-08-05 10:43:59	jnatten	If i run with DRI False everything looks decent, but i can't get a compositor to run since no gpu (i guess?)
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2022-08-05 10:49:23	lolok	if i were having trouble with tearing, the 1st thing id do is disable compositing, switch to a wm that doesnt require it if needed
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2022-08-05 10:51:34	jnatten	Using i3, the tearing is there with and without compositing
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2022-08-05 10:54:37	MrElendig	because a lot of software relies on the DRI framework
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2022-08-05 10:56:27	MrElendig	jnatten: consider trying sway instead of i3 
2022-08-05 10:56:38	MrElendig	generally less tearing with wayland
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2022-08-05 11:01:33	shadowless	the xf86-video-intel drivers work better for much older hardware, they are generally not recommended for newer hardware, as per: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Intel_graphics#Installation
2022-08-05 11:01:33	phrik	Title: Intel graphics - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-08-05 11:19:19	dirtcastle	cannot open directory input output error. Just mounted my phone using jmtpfs. and I thing I didn't unmount it the right way and I'm getting this
2022-08-05 11:19:23	dirtcastle	think*
2022-08-05 11:19:38	dirtcastle	how to fix this 
2022-08-05 11:19:56	MrElendig	i/o errors often indicates a hardware issue
2022-08-05 11:20:16	dirtcastle	i cannot mount to the directory too rn
2022-08-05 11:20:31	MrElendig	post dmesg and full output from mount(1)
2022-08-05 11:20:39	dirtcastle	I cannot go inside the directory when it's not mounted too
2022-08-05 11:20:45	MrElendig	mount(8) even
2022-08-05 11:21:02	MrElendig	also, is this archlinux-arm?
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2022-08-05 11:21:47	MrElendig	also, gio is in my experience more reliable than jmtpfs
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2022-08-05 11:34:47	dirtcastle	https://paste.rs/Ty4
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2022-08-05 11:34:47	dirtcastle	no. x86-64
2022-08-05 11:34:47	dirtcastle	MrElendig: 
2022-08-05 11:34:47	graves	hi! where can I find the openVPN logs on arch? using network-manager-openvpn
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2022-08-05 11:38:21	solsTiCe	hi. When upgrading yesterday, I got an issu with electron. It couldn't get upgraded to 20 because it was breakig a dep for element-desktop. never had that problem before. I had to install electron19 eplictly to get the dep for element-desktop, then it was ok
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2022-08-05 11:44:05	MrElendig	dirtcastle: does that path exist?
2022-08-05 11:44:30	MrElendig	graves: sure this is arch? we don't have network-manager-openvpn
2022-08-05 11:44:47	MrElendig	solsTiCe: pacman -Syu --asdep electron19
2022-08-05 11:44:52	MrElendig	solsTiCe: blame allan
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2022-08-05 11:45:25	stefanc_diff	solsTiCe: I see what you're saying. Have a look at https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/element-desktop/ and https://github.com/vector-im/element-web and see if the arch element-desktop compiled pkg is out of date with upstream and notify the maintainer if it is
2022-08-05 11:45:26	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - element-desktop 1.11.2-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-08-05 11:45:42	jnatten	MrElendig: I have tried sway before, and it wasn't a pleasant experience. I might try again since a few months have passed since then.
2022-08-05 11:46:09	bittin	have that problem too
2022-08-05 11:46:17	jnatten	shadowless: I couldn't get the tearfree option working with the fallback, but that might just be me not knowing which module to set the option on. Any suggestions?
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2022-08-05 11:46:56	⚡ 	MrElendig has less problems with sway than i3
2022-08-05 11:47:17	graves	MrElendig: sorry - I meant networkmanager-openvpn of course :)
2022-08-05 11:47:19	MrElendig	dirtcastle: and do try gio
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2022-08-05 11:48:06	MrElendig	dirtcastle: namei -l /home/bkk/mobile
2022-08-05 11:49:14	MrElendig	stefanc_diff: the problem is that pacman is stupid, its not a problem with the packaging
2022-08-05 11:50:08	shadowless	jnatten: is this a new installation?
2022-08-05 11:50:43	MrElendig	solsTiCe: stefanc_diff: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/74324#comment207444
2022-08-05 11:50:45	phrik	Title: FS#74324 : pacman unable to solve a specific dependency change (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-08-05 11:51:36	jnatten	shadowless: yes, installed it three days ago
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2022-08-05 11:52:10	jenkins	I miss wifi-menu in the installation iso
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2022-08-05 11:54:11	MrElendig	jenkins: I don't since it is/was half broken and basically unmaintained
2022-08-05 11:54:23	MrElendig	I would prefer NM instead of iwd though
2022-08-05 11:54:43	jenkins	it always worked fine for me, iwd is not as reliable
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2022-08-05 11:55:16	MrElendig	ymmv depending on the network and hardware
2022-08-05 11:56:02	MrElendig	and wpa_supplicant is still on the image, so you can do anything that netcfg did
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2022-08-05 11:56:23	MrElendig	!wpactl
2022-08-05 11:56:24	phrik	wpa_supplicant -B -i iface -c <(wpa_passphrase 'essid' 'passphrase')
2022-08-05 11:56:50	MrElendig	so if iwd doesn't work for you, you can still use wpa_supplicant
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2022-08-05 11:58:18	solsTiCe	MrElendig: the last package of element-desktop pinned the version of electron to electron19. That's why it happened. It was electron before, the package upgrade with the new dep to electron19, then can't upgrade electron because of that.
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2022-08-05 11:59:37	MrElendig	solsTiCe: pacman should be able to handle it though
2022-08-05 11:59:53	MrElendig	it should go and look in the sync db if there is a new provider for electron19
2022-08-05 12:00:04	MrElendig	as it does if you pacman -Syu whateverdepenedsonelectron19
2022-08-05 12:00:09	solsTiCe	yes. I guess
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2022-08-05 12:00:25	MrElendig	and as allan said, its a failing test in the codebase :)
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2022-08-05 12:01:20	stefanc_diff	MrElendig: thanks for pointing out the pacman bug, wasn't aware of it
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2022-08-05 12:01:42	MrElendig	of course fixing it will probably break subtly in some other way
2022-08-05 12:02:06	solsTiCe	I did not get the error previously like in the bug report. I don't know why
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2022-08-05 12:02:21	stefanc_diff	the whoes of software development ...
2022-08-05 12:02:21	MrElendig	timing probably
2022-08-05 12:02:36	MrElendig	didn't have anything that depended on the previous version of electron
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2022-08-05 12:02:46	stefanc_diff	it was timing for me, I've upgrade 1 day before you and never saw this message because electron20 wasn't in the repos then
2022-08-05 12:03:00	MrElendig	would be nice if packages in community got rebuilt for the new electron but...
2022-08-05 12:17:47	MrElendig	(those that can be anyway, some don't support e20 yet)
2022-08-05 12:17:47	MrElendig	its not only a problem with electron, have seen this a decade ago with other software
2022-08-05 12:17:47	⚡ 	MrElendig votes for more automation and having packages that depend on electron being automaticly rebuilt
2022-08-05 12:17:47	MrElendig	could do with more automation in the packaging in general
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2022-08-05 12:17:47	shadowless	jnatten: My personal recommendation would be to read through the Intel Graphics arch wiki page, reinstall the system, or at the very least, uninstall the x86-video-intel package. 
2022-08-05 12:17:47	Foxboron	MrElendig: It's.. not possible. The API moves too fast and upstreams can't keep up
2022-08-05 12:17:47	Foxboron	MrElendig: automation needs someone to work on it, really
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2022-08-05 12:17:47	Foxboron	I did start a little bit; https://buildbot.pkgbuild.com/#/
2022-08-05 12:17:47	phrik	Title: Buildbot (at buildbot.pkgbuild.com)
2022-08-05 12:17:47	jnatten	shadowless: I would love to uninstall xf86-video-intel if i could get the tearfree option to work with the fallback module.
2022-08-05 12:17:47	jnatten	But i don't what name to pass to "module" in that case
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2022-08-05 12:17:47	jnatten	'intel' and 'i915' did not work and i don't really know how to look it up
2022-08-05 12:17:47	jnatten	My amateur eyes couldn't find the answer in the xorg log either
2022-08-05 12:17:47	shadowless	xf86-video-intel is a good solution for intel chips older than 10 years
2022-08-05 12:17:47	shadowless	your chip was released Q1 of this year
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2022-08-05 12:17:47	MrElendig	Foxboron: indeed
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2022-08-05 12:17:47	shadowless	I don't know what else to say. Personally I think this package needs to be renamed
2022-08-05 12:17:47	MrElendig	shadowless: its what upstream names it, and downstream renaming should be avoided as far as possible
2022-08-05 12:17:47	Foxboron	MrElendig: evidently, the electron packaging we settled on is a mistake
2022-08-05 12:17:47	Foxboron	we should just drop the system packages. The theoretical saving we though we'd get isn't there
2022-08-05 12:17:47	MrElendig	Foxboron: yea, most people just have 1-4 electron apps, often with the same number of different electron versions
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2022-08-05 12:21:48	Jookia	i like flatpaks for packages
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2022-08-05 12:22:14	shadowless	MrElendig: This seems like a conflict of interest here
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2022-08-05 12:26:44	MrElendig	shadowless: not really
2022-08-05 12:27:04	MrElendig	and the wiki does document that modesetting is the recommended driver to use
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2022-08-05 12:32:22	shadowless	If you wanted people to actually read the wiki, then why did you include the archinstall script in the archiso?
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2022-08-05 12:39:27	MrElendig	shadowless: archinstall is mainly ment for automation, the guided mode is an aftertought
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2022-08-05 12:39:39	MrElendig	(as shown by its quirks)
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2022-08-05 12:48:45	MrElendig	the problem is that all the youtubers and random blogs went "OMG ARCH HAZ THIS NEW SUPA EASY INSTALLER" and no one looks any further than that
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2022-08-05 12:49:36	shadowless	I guess the source of my frustration here is this: arch linux does not prove support for derivative distributions (for good reason, figuring out their unfamiliar system configuration is a massive waste of time. not arguing against that). Yet I sit here and watch people make the same errors over and over again in regards to their graphics setup. They install the packages they think they need
2022-08-05 12:49:36	shadowless	(clearly 
2022-08-05 12:49:42	shadowless	they didn't read the wiki, yes), but they were the wrong packages. So they come here for support. What I'm asking here is... do we really need to tell these people time and time again to 'go read the fucking wiki' or can we rename some antiquated packages?
2022-08-05 12:50:54	shadowless	does not provide support*. no I didn't spellcheck or grammarcheck this rant
2022-08-05 12:50:56	⚡ 	Tazy failed to install arch 3 times, cause of not reading the wiki, and following a magazine guide or youtube 
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2022-08-05 12:51:11	MrElendig	having upstream names > this special case imo
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2022-08-05 12:51:58	shadowless	This isn't a special case. It happens every other fucking week
2022-08-05 12:54:42	MrElendig	its a bit of a reverse survival bias though
2022-08-05 12:55:18	MrElendig	and what would even it be renamed to?
2022-08-05 12:55:26	MacGyver	jnatten: "modesetting" may be the identifier you need in that case, but whether TearFree exists for it I don't know.
2022-08-05 12:55:37	MrElendig	dont-use-this-unless-you-know-you-need-it-intel-driver ?
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2022-08-05 12:55:56	MrElendig	modesetting does not have tearfree
2022-08-05 12:56:10	MrElendig	since tearfree is 100% driver/hardware dependent
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2022-08-05 12:56:26	MrElendig	(half the time tearfree doesn't do what it says either)
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2022-08-05 12:57:11	MrElendig	hm, actually you can set TearFree now, but it may or may not do something
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2022-08-05 12:57:25	luna	the electron problem is solved for me now
2022-08-05 12:57:40	MrElendig	hmm, or was the patch accepted
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2022-08-05 12:57:56	luna	new version of code fixed it for me
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2022-08-05 12:58:09	MrElendig	doesn't seem like it was
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2022-08-05 12:59:06	MacGyver	MrElendig: Still open it seems: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/merge_requests/24
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2022-08-05 12:59:10	phrik	Title: Modesetting: Per-CRTC framebuffers to provide 32k framebuffers to everyone (and enable Tear-free support) (!24) · Merge requests · xorg / xserver · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2022-08-05 12:59:14	MacGyver	Shame really.
2022-08-05 12:59:19	MrElendig	I remember it having some insane performance impacts
2022-08-05 12:59:30	MrElendig	like 30-50% slower on high res screens
2022-08-05 12:59:49	MacGyver	jnatten: Alternative solution: Use / enable the vsync feature of your compositor.
2022-08-05 12:59:52	MrElendig	copying buffers around is not cheap after all
2022-08-05 13:00:44	MrElendig	"tbf I'm not sure we have anyone left here at intel who cares about Xorg ... I'll ping some."  pretty accurate :p
2022-08-05 13:00:48	MacGyver	MrElendig: Sure but in the face of screen tearing...
2022-08-05 13:01:34	MrElendig	MacGyver: dropping to <20 fps on a desktop would imo be worse than tearing
2022-08-05 13:02:53	MacGyver	I sincerely doubt it'd drop that far. Your assumption is that you start at 60, but for normal desktop use those intel chips can crank out quite a lot more.
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2022-08-05 13:03:26	MacGyver	But sure, not the best solution.
2022-08-05 13:03:32	MrElendig	MacGyver: depends on the de
2022-08-05 13:03:35	MrElendig	wm/de
2022-08-05 13:03:49	MrElendig	<insert older gnome versions with 30fps here>
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2022-08-05 13:04:59	enoq	what modern non terminal IRC client do you recommend? having trouble with Polari and Pidgin/Empathy are all outdated/dead
2022-08-05 13:05:06	MacGyver	shadowless: And regarding reading the intel graphics wiki: that page is a torrid mess and really should be rewritten (by someone who actually still uses intel graphics, i.e. not me) to reflect the current-day situation.
2022-08-05 13:05:36	MacGyver	shadowless: Because if you don't already know any of this you're still gonna be installing xf86-video-intel because "What's a DDX driver? 2D acceleration is good, right?"
2022-08-05 13:06:15	Jookia	enoq: i've seen people use hexchat
2022-08-05 13:06:34	MacGyver	enoq: Why is your requirement "non-terminal"?
2022-08-05 13:06:48	enoq	MacGyver: using gtk/qt
2022-08-05 13:06:49	MrElendig	enoq: polari isn't outdated, but the lib they rely on is silly and doesn't do certfp/sasl :/
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2022-08-05 13:07:00	MacGyver	enoq: That's not a "why".
2022-08-05 13:07:00	MrElendig	enoq: and they don't want to contribute a fix to it
2022-08-05 13:07:13	MacGyver	enoq: Reason I'm asking: Weechat has mouse support, though I don't use it so it might not fit your needs.
2022-08-05 13:07:24	enoq	MrElendig: I've got rendering issues, like lines don't show up
2022-08-05 13:08:00	MrElendig	that doesn't mean its outdated :)
2022-08-05 13:08:03	MacGyver	enoq: But if your "why" isn't "I want to be able to use the mouse" then that's not relevant either.
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2022-08-05 13:08:25	enoq	MacGyver: console applications have all sort of issues like copy/pasting, requiring keyboard shortcuts etc
2022-08-05 13:08:35	MrElendig	42.1 is the latest release
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2022-08-05 13:09:15	MrElendig	enoq: also, did you bug rapport it?
2022-08-05 13:09:21	enoq	MrElendig: yeah, I meant I'm having issues with Polari and all other alternatives seem to be outdated
2022-08-05 13:09:24	MacGyver	Well like I said, weechat *does* have mouse support but having that turned on probably messes with terminal copying so yeah.
2022-08-05 13:09:33	shadowless	MacGyver: I sense the sarcasm but that is actually the issue I'm trying to bring up. People come here asking for support because of it far too often
2022-08-05 13:09:34	MacGyver	Friends of mine use Quassel.
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2022-08-05 13:09:50	MrElendig	enoq: and are these private messages?
2022-08-05 13:10:03	enoq	no, messages in a normal chat
2022-08-05 13:10:12	MacGyver	shadowless: There was no sarcasm there. That page should be rewritten.
2022-08-05 13:10:12	enoq	it bugs out when the scroll bar appears
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2022-08-05 13:10:25	enoq	given that it's persisted over 1 year now, I don't have much faith
2022-08-05 13:10:41	MacGyver	shadowless: Because as it is it won't solve the problem you're seeing.
2022-08-05 13:10:42	enoq	and not interested in opening a bug report when the usual issue is "provide a fix pls"
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2022-08-05 13:10:56	MrElendig	https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/polari/-/issues/195 oerhaps?
2022-08-05 13:10:59	phrik	Title: Text in chat window displayed underneath text entry (#195) · Issues · GNOME / polari · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
2022-08-05 13:11:03	MrElendig	perhaps*
2022-08-05 13:11:17	enoq	MrElendig: exactly
2022-08-05 13:11:18	Jookia	opening bug reports for projects is often a waste of time compared to just using different software
2022-08-05 13:11:34	MrElendig	Jookia: that is how software never gets fixed
2022-08-05 13:11:36	MacGyver	shadowless: Also, loathe as I am to suggest it, using a matrix bridge and matrix client seems to be all the rage nowadays.
2022-08-05 13:11:38	MacGyver	Uh.
2022-08-05 13:11:39	MrElendig	Jookia: and you can do both
2022-08-05 13:11:43	MacGyver	enoq: ^
2022-08-05 13:11:48	MacGyver	shadowless: Sorry, brainderp.
2022-08-05 13:12:08	MrElendig	too bad hexchat is never going to get ported to gtk3/4
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2022-08-05 13:12:24	enoq	ah yeah, that's what I meant with "outdated"
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2022-08-05 13:12:35	enoq	being stuck in gtk 2 hell
2022-08-05 13:12:40	Jookia	MrElendig: bug reports don't fix software, developers do
2022-08-05 13:12:48	shadowless	MacGyver: My argument was that the xf86-video-intel package name was most of the damage. 
2022-08-05 13:12:58	MrElendig	Jookia: if people never report bugs, then they are much less likely to get fixed by said developers
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2022-08-05 13:13:18	MacGyver	shadowless: Yeah, I disagree with that.
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2022-08-05 13:13:32	Jookia	MrElendig: reporting a bug isn't free so you have to weigh it against whether it will possibly get fixed
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2022-08-05 13:13:42	MacGyver	I think the second bullet point on the intel graphics page saying "install it" is more likely the relevant problem.
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2022-08-05 13:14:05	Jookia	it really depends project to project
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2022-08-05 13:14:25	MrElendig	Jookia: its not far from free though
2022-08-05 13:14:41	Jookia	MrElendig: a few hours of my time is not free
2022-08-05 13:14:49	MrElendig	watch one less cat video on yt and you can use the time to rapport about 10 bugs
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2022-08-05 13:15:17	MacGyver	A few hours of your time go a long way toward diagnosing a root cause and possibly even a fix; that's not the same time as reporting a bug.
2022-08-05 13:15:25	enoq	some problems are just so obvious that if it persists for more than a couple of months, it's a hobby project
2022-08-05 13:15:43	Jookia	MacGyver: knowing that there's a bug and the cause doesn't mean it gets fixed
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2022-08-05 13:15:51	Jookia	developers just don't fix bugs sometimes
2022-08-05 13:15:59	enoq	which is fine, but then I'm looking for a better maintained alternative
2022-08-05 13:16:03	MacGyver	That's not the claim I'm disputing.
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2022-08-05 13:16:10	kek_	hi
2022-08-05 13:16:18	MacGyver	I'm disputing that it takes several hours of your time to report a bug in the first place.
2022-08-05 13:16:21	MacGyver	But eh.
2022-08-05 13:16:32	lolok	!welcome
2022-08-05 13:16:33	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-08-05 13:16:39	MrElendig	most people can afford the 3 mins it takes to rapport a bug
2022-08-05 13:16:50	Jookia	MacGyver: to report a bug you usually have to get the latest version of the software or compile it from source in some manner to get debug symbols so you can get a usable report
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2022-08-05 13:17:02	Jookia	or get logs and reproduce the bug
2022-08-05 13:17:03	enoq	MacGyver: it depends, some issue templates are just bad
2022-08-05 13:17:06	kek_	is there any chance that the poweroff command does not truly power off the machine? I poured a glass of water over it and instantly "poweroff"'d it. I just wanna make sure it's turned off for real.
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2022-08-05 13:17:32	Jookia	kek_: it does not turn it off no, unplug the machine
2022-08-05 13:17:35	MacGyver	kek_: On the off-chance you're not a troll: Unplug the machine.
2022-08-05 13:17:40	enoq	like "download dev packages, compile, step into GDB and get the backtrace" often "insert your whole setup by hand, here's 20 bullet points"
2022-08-05 13:17:41	lolok	^
2022-08-05 13:18:03	MrElendig	that applies to something like 0.0002% of projects out there
2022-08-05 13:18:10	Jookia	those are like 90% of the projects i deal with
2022-08-05 13:18:13	enoq	kek_: you're talking about the shutdown command
2022-08-05 13:18:15	kek_	Jookia MacGyver it's a notebook/laptop
2022-08-05 13:18:16	mingdao	kek_: shutdown -h now
2022-08-05 13:18:20	Jookia	kek_: remove battery
2022-08-05 13:18:28	mingdao	syn ack
2022-08-05 13:18:29	MrElendig	and for distro provided software, you can go to the distro bugtracker
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2022-08-05 13:18:32	Jookia	for instance, i spent maybe a day filing a bug report for gnutls
2022-08-05 13:18:36	Jookia	still not fixed
2022-08-05 13:18:36	kek_	I can't, I don't have the tools to remove the battery :/
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2022-08-05 13:18:56	kek_	should I boot and poweroff -h?
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2022-08-05 13:18:57	MacGyver	kek_: `shutdown` nowadays defaults to a poweroff so that's the best you can do.
2022-08-05 13:19:22	Jookia	kek_: go get the tools as quick as possible then
2022-08-05 13:19:23	MacGyver	kek_: Now the manpage *may* lie but I think that's not worth risking booting it.
2022-08-05 13:19:36	MacGyver	kek_: So you're already in the "best possible" situation.
2022-08-05 13:19:38	enoq	kek_: systemctl halt will not power off the machine, systemctl poweroff will
2022-08-05 13:19:40	mingdao	kek_: Find some tools or someone with some and as soon as there's no power to the board start drying it.
2022-08-05 13:19:48	Jookia	poweroff/shutdown will not turn off all the voltage rails in your computer you still have standby rails, embedded controllers
2022-08-05 13:20:45	Jookia	you need to remove the power source completely, in this case a battery
2022-08-05 13:20:50	kek_	ok thanks - yeah, I'll head to the electro engineering people maybe I can find someone with some  tools there...
2022-08-05 13:21:01	mingdao	kek_: What make/model is it?
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2022-08-05 13:21:26	enoq	kek_: holding power button for a couple seconds doesn't work?
2022-08-05 13:21:42	MrElendig	kek_: https://www.dlink.com/en/products/dsp-w118-mydlink-mini-wi-fi-smart-plug  (or one which also does measurements/statistics)
2022-08-05 13:22:05	MacGyver	At this point I give it better than even chance that it's turned off as far as it will go and doing anything with the power button will turn it on, increasing the chance of a short.
2022-08-05 13:22:12	MacGyver	`poweroff` does what it says on the tin.
2022-08-05 13:22:21	MacGyver	But the supply needs to be removed.
2022-08-05 13:22:48	kek_	mingdao huawei matebook  mach-w29 enoq sure but it'd probably start booting then. I mean the poweroff did work.
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2022-08-05 13:23:24	MacGyver	kek_: You may also want to check whether you are / your employer is (accident) insured for this.
2022-08-05 13:23:50	MacGyver	Considering you mentioned "the electro engineering people".
2022-08-05 13:24:26	MacGyver	If you're at a company, just head over to the IT people instead.
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2022-08-05 13:25:18	kek_	MacGyver yeah, I mean it's an old one I got form my mother because my thinkpad died recently. it already is a bit fucked up (touchscreen broken, which I dont care about), I guess chances are low for any insurance to work here. I'm at university, at the mathematics departement. The only tools they have is chalk haha
2022-08-05 13:25:20	mingdao	kek_: https://consumer.huawei.com/levant/support/laptops/matebook-x-pro/ d/l the User Guide and look at Getting to know your computer
2022-08-05 13:25:21	phrik	Title: HUAWEI MateBook X Pro software update,repair,manual | HUAWEI Support Saudi Arabia (at consumer.huawei.com)
2022-08-05 13:26:00	MrElendig	kek_: what is the actual problem?
2022-08-05 13:26:07	MacGyver	MrElendig: Water spill.
2022-08-05 13:26:50	MrElendig	keep it open, leave it upside down
2022-08-05 13:27:14	lolok	how long ago was this anyway? is it still wet? put it in a bed of rice open and upside down
2022-08-05 13:27:22	Jookia	please don't waste rice
2022-08-05 13:27:25	MrElendig	it has a somewhat spill proof keyboard
2022-08-05 13:27:30	lolok	cook it after duh lol
2022-08-05 13:27:41	Jookia	putting electronics in rice won't help unless the rice is inside the computer
2022-08-05 13:27:58	MacGyver	In which case the starch from the rice will do a bang-up job of damaging the machine
2022-08-05 13:27:58	lolok	you would be surprised
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2022-08-05 13:28:34	MacGyver	kek_: Yeah then insurance isn't gonna matter; even if it was covered you'd probably only get a nickel and a dime back.
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2022-08-05 13:29:57	mingdao	Spend time fixing the ThinkPad; better machine more than likely.
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2022-08-05 13:30:57	kek_	MacGyver sorry, that link fried my machine ...
2022-08-05 13:31:32	mingdao	kek_: Spend time fixing the ThinkPad; better machine more than likely.
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2022-08-05 13:32:04	MacGyver	I didn't send any links
2022-08-05 13:32:05	kek_	mingdao it's from 2014. It died because some electronics got fried. died of age
2022-08-05 13:32:16	mingdao	Probably kek_ failed at autocomplete.
2022-08-05 13:32:20	MacGyver	Oh right.
2022-08-05 13:32:39	kek_	MacGyver misremembered then. Thoguht you were the one (no logs here, web client)
2022-08-05 13:32:56	mingdao	kek_: I've fixed lots of dead/fried/useless machines since starting with computer hardware in 1984.  Age doesn't fry electronics.
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2022-08-05 13:35:32	kek_	mingdao I lost wireless, then rebooted, it powered off and never on again. dead. Tried to take out the wifi chip but didn't help. That was  the end of my knowledge, might go to the electronic geeks after the exams, they have a fancy lab and all, maybe  they can help me.
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2022-08-05 13:37:31	kek_	anyway thanks for all the input. I'll leave it to dry for 1-2 days and then see if it's fucked up.
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2022-08-05 13:53:52	MrElendig	mingdao: tell that to rifer caps
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2022-08-05 13:55:26	MrElendig	kek_: got ac or air dryer?
2022-08-05 13:55:35	mingdao	MrElendig: rifer caps?
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2022-08-05 13:56:07	MrElendig	rifa*
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2022-08-05 13:56:58	MrElendig	https://pjhenley.com/2020/03/19/not-today-rifa-cap/ they are (in)famous for failing with age
2022-08-05 13:56:59	phrik	Title: Not Today, RIFA Cap! – pjhenley.com (at pjhenley.com)
2022-08-05 13:57:12	kek_	MrElendig I mean I'm in an ACd building but yeah... not like a mobile one I could put in front of it. Currently I simply put it upside down.
2022-08-05 13:57:33	MrElendig	kek_: put the laptop in the airflow from the ac
2022-08-05 13:57:48	kek_	this model has a "camera drainag hole", in case the cam (which is on the keyboard) gets wet ... (I don't get it but maybe it helps :P)
2022-08-05 13:58:00	kek_	MrElendig It's like "built into the building" AC
2022-08-05 13:58:12	MrElendig	kek_: just prop it up
2022-08-05 13:58:53	kek_	MrElendig you mean so there's less strain on the "rotational axis" thing?
2022-08-05 14:00:43	MrElendig	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAbrU17hLTM
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2022-08-05 14:01:31	MrElendig	no, like on top of a cupboard or whatever which happens to be close to one of the air inlets
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2022-08-05 14:30:34	solsTiCe	I got a problem. I made a BIOS upgrade with fwdupmgr on my lenovo X270. the first reboot was to archlinux. so everything seemed to be fine, then it began to boot into widows for no reason. then I discovered that the EFI entries have disapeared (the one for systemd and the one to flash a new bios). then I found out that secure boot is not enabled, but in setup mode, and then that all the keys
2022-08-05 14:30:34	solsTiCe	have been cleared deleted. I wonder if it the 
2022-08-05 14:30:34	solsTiCe	BIOS update or if it is the first boot in archlinu that caused something ?
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2022-08-05 14:31:31	Scimmia	That's pretty common with a firmware update
2022-08-05 14:32:16	solsTiCe	:-o
2022-08-05 14:32:26	solsTiCe	how do I get back the keys ?
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2022-08-05 14:37:11	bob_	why do we have archlinux-2022.08.05-x86_64.iso and archlinux-x86_64.iso? they're the same aren't they? 
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2022-08-05 14:37:44	river	maybe once there is a new -date.iso the other will point to the new one
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2022-08-05 14:37:54	river	i am just guessing though
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2022-08-05 14:38:51	thurstylark	easiest way to tell if they are the same is download both and compare their sums
2022-08-05 14:39:06	nl6720	bob_: the one without the date is a symlink https://github.com/pierres/archiso-manager/pull/10
2022-08-05 14:39:46	bob_	i see thanks
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2022-08-05 14:40:01	nl6720	the same is true for bootstrap an .sig files
2022-08-05 14:40:31	nl6720	it's to allow having a persistent URL to the latest version
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2022-08-05 14:40:52	nl6720	e.g. https://geo.mirror.pkgbuild.com/iso/latest/archlinux-x86_64.iso
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2022-08-05 15:43:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-08-05 15:43:30	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1446 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1446 normals)
2022-08-05 15:09:43	⚡ 	solsTiCe finally found an option in the BIOS to get back those keys (I use shim so I don't care)
2022-08-05 15:23:35	mikey	how do I diagnose why my machine just froze? had to reboot
2022-08-05 15:24:03	mikey	it's 7 or 8 years old now so maybe it's time to replace
2022-08-05 15:24:13	mikey	but it has 32gb ram
2022-08-05 15:25:08	mingdao	mikey: Look at the output of `journalctl -b -1` when you are logged in again.  That is the last log before this new start.
2022-08-05 15:25:57	shadowless	'when you are logged in again' lol
2022-08-05 15:26:14	mingdao	mikey: When you get that loaded, enter Shift+G to get to the bottom of the log and look up from there.
2022-08-05 15:26:45	mingdao	shadowless: What's lol about that?
2022-08-05 15:27:19	shadowless	mingdao: wait... is this a serious question?
2022-08-05 15:27:32	mikey	thanks! says out of memory
2022-08-05 15:27:39	mikey	hmm
2022-08-05 15:28:16	mikey	32GB is still a lot isn't it?
2022-08-05 15:28:25	mikey	maybe I need to reallocate for my virtual box
2022-08-05 15:28:33	shadowless	32Gb is still excessive
2022-08-05 15:29:50	mikey	oh wait. there is some stuff up above that message
2022-08-05 15:32:50	mikey	hmm I think it might be something with the graphics and my virtual machine
2022-08-05 15:33:05	mikey	warning messages with 'nouveau' 
2022-08-05 15:33:18	mikey	thanks for the help. I'll bbiab - work call.
2022-08-05 15:36:31	DeepDayze	h4rd3n3d, my machine is just as old but with an i7 and 16GB...good enough to run Windows in a VM 🙂
2022-08-05 15:38:40	DeepDayze	my old HP lappy I got as salvage when I left a company and just a little TLC got it working sweet
2022-08-05 15:39:38	DeepDayze	I run Arch and Debian dual boot and Win 10 in a VM
2022-08-05 15:39:58	DeepDayze	That's where Windows belongs...in a VM to keep it out of mischief
2022-08-05 15:41:48	SponiX	DeepDayze: and so you can get pissed at it and delete the whole install within seconds
2022-08-05 15:42:01	DeepDayze	SponiX: Yep, lol
2022-08-05 15:42:14	DeepDayze	Or if it catches a virus...
2022-08-05 15:42:26	DeepDayze	Nuke and reload
2022-08-05 15:43:01	DeepDayze	Only takes a couple clicks to delete a VM to oblivion
2022-08-05 15:43:31	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-08-05 15:43:34	DeepDayze	That's how i learned to install Arch the Arch way 🙂
2022-08-05 15:43:58	◣	lolok (~lolok@user/lolok) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-08-05 15:44:34	DeepDayze	my 8460p I got the manual as well. HP is good about keeping manuals and some software around for their older machines
2022-08-05 15:45:20	DeepDayze	I even did a CPU brain transplant...replaced the original dual core with a quad core CPU
2022-08-05 15:45:54	◣	gokkun (~gokkun@212.58.103.122) ha salido (Quit: Leaving)
2022-08-05 15:46:08	DeepDayze	I would buy another hp laptop
2022-08-05 15:46:15	DeepDayze	Dell is not too bad either
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2022-08-05 15:46:34	node1	hello
2022-08-05 15:47:02	node1	Any command to know which disk my operating system has been booted?
2022-08-05 15:47:32	moviuro	Hi all, I'm using aur/mpdris2 with mpd to get the benefit of using one command (playerctl) to manipulate many players (mpv & mpd). But I'm now bombarded with notifications of mpd whenever the track changes: how do I disable only these? (play/pause notification are OK, status notifications are OK, but just tracks from the playlist playing in order shouldn't steal my attention)
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2022-08-05 15:48:25	ℹ 	isnessness es conocido ahora como ugjka
2022-08-05 15:48:43	moviuro	node1: bootctl(1) and /proc/cmdline should give some hints
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2022-08-05 15:51:38	shadowless	THE SYSTEM IS CRUMBLING. ALL OF YOU CAN GET FUCKED. "HALLEYOUJER"
2022-08-05 15:52:01	shadowless	smiley face
2022-08-05 15:52:23	node1	moviuro okay do you know the full command? it might save my life. :)
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2022-08-05 15:53:16	brjl	node1: You want to know where your OS boots from?
2022-08-05 15:53:39	◥	ugjka (~ugjka@ugjka.net) has joined #archlinux
2022-08-05 15:53:48	node1	I want to know which from which disk my os has been booted.
2022-08-05 15:54:02	node1	I want to know  from which disk my os has been booted.
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2022-08-05 15:56:32	Scimmia	...so you want to know what your / is? see mount
2022-08-05 15:56:37	◣	nortega (~nortega@user/nortega) ha salido (Quit: God bless you!)
2022-08-05 15:57:15	shadowless	how do you know they installed their os on / ?
2022-08-05 15:58:22	shadowless	node1: lsblk
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2022-08-05 16:00:56	node1	shadowless And what shoud i look into lsblk output?  Where to find "/boot/efi" ?
2022-08-05 16:01:17	Scimmia	what does /boot/efi have to do with anything?
2022-08-05 16:01:24	Scimmia	!give node1 xyproblem
2022-08-05 16:01:25	phrik	node1: Tell us what you're REALLY trying to do. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
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2022-08-05 16:03:00	node1	Let suppose we have two disk(SATA,SSD,HDD whtever)  both have linux installed. I have set in BIOS as priority to boot from first  disk1 then disk2. But it looks it always boot from disk2. Now i would likes to confirm that it's disk2 from the command line.
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2022-08-05 16:03:50	Scimmia	So you want to know what root partition you're using. You've been given multiple ways to check that
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2022-08-05 16:05:07	node1	I wanted to know from which disk the operating system has been booted on.
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2022-08-05 16:05:19	shadowless	node1: you serious?
2022-08-05 16:05:26	◣	ugjka (~ugjka@ugjka.net) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-08-05 16:05:28	thurstylark	are the suggestions you've been given not sufficient?
2022-08-05 16:05:29	node1	Yes i'm serious.
2022-08-05 16:05:40	◣	lsrtl_ (~lsrtl@user/lsrtl) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-08-05 16:05:45	thurstylark	because you keep asking, and people keep giving you things that might help, but you keep asking again
2022-08-05 16:05:50	thurstylark	what gives?
2022-08-05 16:06:05	◣	spare (~3d5kiwotv@user/spareproject) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-08-05 16:06:38	Scimmia	node1: question 1: do you know what an operating system is?
2022-08-05 16:07:08	Jookia	node1: modern systems don't use disk-based booting, instead EFI entries
2022-08-05 16:07:50	◣	isnessness (~ugjka@ugjka.net) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-08-05 16:08:18	Jookia	efi should tell you which system you're booted in
2022-08-05 16:08:26	shadowless	lolololololololololol
2022-08-05 16:08:32	node1	Scimmia It's system software that controls your hardware other software resources (applications written on other language).
2022-08-05 16:08:43	◥	kts (~kts@103.73.237.106) has joined #archlinux
2022-08-05 16:08:50	Scimmia	!bail
2022-08-05 16:08:50	phrik	Looks like Scimmia is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-08-05 16:09:02	node1	written on other computer languages*
2022-08-05 16:09:47	node1	I hope you agree with the definition.
2022-08-05 16:10:10	Jookia	node1: try efibootmgr
2022-08-05 16:10:55	Scimmia	Jookia: don't confuse the issue, that won't work in most situations 
2022-08-05 16:11:22	shadowless	node1: hello
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2022-08-05 16:12:38	node1	Scimmia And in my entire career life i have seen this is  what it do (OS) nothing beyond of it. If you know something more interesting it do , it would be my pleasure to hear from you.
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2022-08-05 16:13:16	shadowless	node1: I showed you my penis. please answer
2022-08-05 16:13:51	node1	You don't need to do that, just be polite and decent.
2022-08-05 16:14:08	Scimmia	node1: either ask a better question, or read the answers you already got
2022-08-05 16:14:22	shadowless	node1: political and decadent? I can do that
2022-08-05 16:14:52	node1	I asked these question because i did some stupid experiment. And i'm afraid i would lost my data from the old disk.
2022-08-05 16:15:04	shadowless	^this asshole is clearly a bot
2022-08-05 16:15:08	NoImNotNineVolt	lol
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2022-08-05 16:15:28	NoImNotNineVolt	around the switch from bios to efi, i was also asking "what drive am i booting from"
2022-08-05 16:15:33	shadowless	doesn't clear me from being a total asshole though
2022-08-05 16:15:53	NoImNotNineVolt	the idea of drive order is confusing :P
2022-08-05 16:16:05	node1	shadowless What's your question?
2022-08-05 16:16:57	◣	Epsilon (~Epsilon@user/epsilon) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-08-05 16:16:58	shadowless	node1: I'm not sure. I blanked out. Were you here? Can you tell me what my last question was?
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2022-08-05 16:17:41	node1	I just saw your "hello" message.
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2022-08-05 16:18:23	susi	node1: did you look into `lsblk' output
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2022-08-05 16:19:02	◣	wallabra (znc@user/gustavo6046) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-08-05 16:19:05	node1	susi Yes i saw that it looks i have been booted from disk2.
2022-08-05 16:19:13	◣	pokr (~pokr@117.188.53.101) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2022-08-05 16:19:16	shadowless	I was semi-asking to be banned here way before you came along node1 
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2022-08-05 16:19:24	librandom	hmnn
2022-08-05 16:19:35	zan	shadowless: lol, what for?
2022-08-05 16:19:36	susi	node1: post its output, `lsblk | curl -F 'file=@-' 0x0.st
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2022-08-05 16:20:10	Foxboron	Namarrgon, MrElendig please?
2022-08-05 16:20:25	ℹ 	wallabra_ es conocido ahora como wallabra
2022-08-05 16:21:05	shadowless	zan: for an argument of the naming of the x86-intel-video package which I almost started but didn't
2022-08-05 16:21:39	node1	susi https://pastebin.com/raw/KbXZx4R1
2022-08-05 16:21:40	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oeYX.ZEGJOpUg
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2022-08-05 16:23:00	zan	shadowless: oh I remember, your argument being that it's for 10y+ cpus and not newer, then poking someone why even include archinstall if you have to read the wiki
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2022-08-05 16:23:11	wunit	node1: does `lsblk --fs` show filesystems also for unmounted partitions...? that way you could perhaps check what's on the other ones
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2022-08-05 16:24:12	shadowless	zan: well am I wrong?
2022-08-05 16:24:43	node1	wunit Thank you, i got it, between it looks every time, i have been booted from disk2. Even though i have mentioned boot priority to be disk1 in BIOS(legacy mode)
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2022-08-05 16:25:12	zan	shadowless: about the archinstall yeah, the intel stuff i'd have to read about it or i'd be pulling shit out my beehind
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2022-08-05 16:25:51	Jookia	sdb2 doesn't mean 'disk 2'
2022-08-05 16:26:02	demonicmaniac1	? xf86-video-intel still "works" even for uhd graphics of recent intel
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2022-08-05 16:26:24	gehidore	shadowless if you don't have anything productive to add to the topic at hand: stop.
2022-08-05 16:26:26	wunit	node1: what Jookia said - don't try to think of "disk orders"
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2022-08-05 16:27:11	node1	Jookia It's disk-2 (SSD) which i have placed in the replacement of DVD writer. The idea was to get efficiency and reduce memory bound operations.
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2022-08-05 16:27:28	Jookia	node1: did you confirm sdb2 is the SSD? don't let the number food you
2022-08-05 16:27:31	Jookia	fool*
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2022-08-05 16:28:02	node1	Yes because i'm the person who replaces DVD writer place with SSD disk.
2022-08-05 16:28:23	Jookia	so you checked using smartctl or
2022-08-05 16:28:33	zan	node1: are you using GPT or MBR?
2022-08-05 16:28:46	node1	I'm still on MBR.
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2022-08-05 16:29:07	gehidore	just because it's sdb doesn't mean it's the new drive
2022-08-05 16:29:16	gehidore	unless the system was already up when installed
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2022-08-05 16:29:51	wunit	yeah, sda/sdb/… can change between boot-ups
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2022-08-05 16:30:53	gehidore	s/installed/drive was inserted into machine/
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2022-08-05 16:31:42	Jookia	how i wish the kernel randomized block devices :)
2022-08-05 16:32:01	zan	node1: i was going to suggest setting GPT PARTLABEL for each partition which won't change on you like sdX does, but since you're not using GPT I have nothing
2022-08-05 16:32:09	gehidore	Jookia speaks wise about using smartctl or even lsblk to confirm either make and model or the size assuming it isn't identical size to the other drive
2022-08-05 16:33:19	node1	Alright but their is small problem. I'm unable to see my data on disk1. It looks i lost accidentally.
2022-08-05 16:33:19	susi	maybe e2label could be used to label?
2022-08-05 16:33:25	gehidore	you can still set a LABEL when you format still with mbr
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2022-08-05 16:33:44	gehidore	or the fstools can change it later
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2022-08-05 16:34:18	ℹ 	Pixi` es conocido ahora como Pixi
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2022-08-05 16:34:41	node1	gehidore okay i will do that "LABEL"
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2022-08-05 16:36:48	zan	gehidore: is that the same as GPT's filesystem-independent partition name? for example, you can use the PARTLABEL in syslinux bootloader: APPEND root=PARTLABEL=root rw (instead of /dev/sdXy)
2022-08-05 16:37:02	susi	ls -l /dev/disk/by-id could also give some hints which disk is linked to what
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2022-08-05 17:38:41	ℹ 	Netboy3_ es conocido ahora como Netboy3
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2022-08-05 17:44:32	gehidore	zan for filesystem label you just use LABEL=
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2022-08-05 18:25:15	ℹ 	Aerith es conocido ahora como Vaporeon
2022-08-05 18:26:08	toou	how do i make a initrd hook with a backgrounded loop, i need to make a hook which will shutdown the system if battery capacity goes below 10
2022-08-05 18:26:15	river	my arch linux system broke again :((((
2022-08-05 18:26:37	river	its freezing during boot. i fixed it by install linux-lts. but now even lts is having this same nvidia freeze up
2022-08-05 18:26:55	Scimmia	river: what kernel?
2022-08-05 18:27:02	Scimmia	toou: you're in the initramfs that long?
2022-08-05 18:28:25	toou	Scimmia: i'm using luks, if it's somehow accidentally turned it'll get stuck on initrd stage until i put in the password
2022-08-05 18:28:39	toou	i made a hook, but it'll only check the capacity once
2022-08-05 18:28:58	Scimmia	a systemd based initramfs would probably make this easier
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2022-08-05 18:29:31	Scimmia	I haven't messed with it, though
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2022-08-05 18:29:58	toou	hmm, then why did you recommend it :P
2022-08-05 18:30:29	Scimmia	because it would offer actual services instead of just ash scripting
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2022-08-05 18:31:31	Scimmia	and would allow things to be done in parallel
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2022-08-05 18:35:11	WhyNotHugo	I wonder if I'll live to see the gimp gtk3 release.
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2022-08-05 18:37:33	moviuro	Hi all, I'm using aur/mpdris2 with mpd to get the benefit of using one command (playerctl) to manipulate many players (mpv & mpd). But I'm now bombarded with notifications of mpd whenever the track changes: how do I disable only these? (play/pause notification are OK, status notifications are OK, but just tracks from the playlist playing in order shouldn't steal my attention)
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2022-08-05 18:38:32	susi	I too have a script to first warn me at ~10% and then shutdown if I do nothing until ~3%, because unjournaled fs, but it never even occured to me that I'd need such a thing in initramfs :-)
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2022-08-05 18:39:54	susi	I have never accidentally turned on this laptop, and I use this a lot out of home, always with me
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2022-08-05 18:40:18	susi	though the power button is luckily not on the side, then it could be another story
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2022-08-05 19:18:31	Foxboron	Hmm
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2022-08-05 19:18:50	Foxboron	Sometimes one of my CPU cores gets pegged to around 92% stable... but I can't seem to see why
2022-08-05 19:19:07	Foxboron	No kernel threads either :/
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2022-08-05 19:19:52	artefact	as reported by jiffies in /proc/stat ?
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2022-08-05 19:20:17	Foxboron	I dont know what that means
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2022-08-05 19:24:47	Foxboron	mm, acpi interrupts?
2022-08-05 19:24:50	Foxboron	oh
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2022-08-05 19:26:51	river	i guess ih ave to pin the lts kernel version and the nvidia version
2022-08-05 19:27:04	river	until its fixed idk, it really sucks
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2022-08-05 19:39:40	susi	Foxboron: >These numbers identify the amount of time the CPU has spent performing different kinds of work. Time units are in USER_HZ or Jiffies (typically hundredths of a second).
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2022-08-05 19:39:54	susi	(the numbers in cpu* lines @ /proc/stat)
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2022-08-05 20:11:28	zan	river: what issue are you having?
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2022-08-05 20:14:46	susi	will daemon-reload(s) be enough to effect changes in /etc/systemd/{user,system}.conf?
2022-08-05 20:15:12	river	zan: the system freezes on boot because of nvidia + kernel versions
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2022-08-05 20:17:25	susi	let's try, I can then check with systemctl show
2022-08-05 20:17:46	susi	yeah, daemon-reload did the trick
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2022-08-05 20:19:33	teraflops	river: which driver?
2022-08-05 20:19:47	river	nvidia
2022-08-05 20:19:57	teraflops	not the open one?
2022-08-05 20:20:07	river	i tried swtiching to the open one to fix it, but it didnt seem to fix it
2022-08-05 20:20:16	ℹ 	Scotty_Trees2 es conocido ahora como Scotty_Trees
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2022-08-05 20:20:40	teraflops	there's linux-lts and nvidia-lts that matches the kernel
2022-08-05 20:21:00	teraflops	but to be honest I do not have such problem
2022-08-05 20:21:22	river	i switched to lts and it fixed the problem
2022-08-05 20:21:28	river	recently I upgraded and the problem came back, even on lts
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2022-08-05 20:22:28	river	so i went linux-lts-5.15.58 -> linux-lts-5.15.55, nvidia-lts-1:515.65.01-1 -> nvidia-lts-1:515.57-7  to be able to boot up again
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2022-08-05 21:36:55	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-08-05 21:36:55	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1461 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1460 normals)
2022-08-05 21:23:43	lantech19446	nm i'm an idiot
2022-08-05 21:23:49	lantech19446	I didn't mount the root partition
2022-08-05 21:36:55	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-08-06 11:39:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-08-06 11:29:38	mystiquewolf	Anyone else who had Firefox and Chrome stop loading pages recently? Like, not loading pages on restart and blank page being shown? 
2022-08-06 11:30:52	mystiquewolf	Anyway. It might be an issue with my Firefox only. If you don't have such issues then pass. Else +1
2022-08-06 11:39:04	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-08-06 11:50:41	kode54	depends
2022-08-06 11:50:55	kode54	I did have issues similar to that on my system when I was running Arch on desktop
2022-08-06 11:50:58	kode54	but it was a special problem
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2022-08-06 11:51:11	kode54	I was running NetworkManager, and using NM to create a bridged ethernet interface
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2022-08-06 11:51:28	kode54	for unknown reasons, it always took upwards of 30 seconds on reboot for it to bring up the bridge
2022-08-06 11:51:43	kode54	so of course, browsers and steam would not be able to connect
2022-08-06 11:52:05	kode54	oh lovely, there is both an unknown and a steam in the channel
2022-08-06 11:52:10	kode54	hope you guys like being highlighted
2022-08-06 11:52:32	kode54	can't be any worse than the "a" that was in another channel I used to idle in
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2022-08-06 12:24:47	zim0369	anyone here using xmonad with arch?
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2022-08-06 12:25:06	teraflops	!anyone
2022-08-06 12:25:07	phrik	Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2022-08-06 12:25:34	zim0369	I need some help
2022-08-06 12:25:50	zim0369	What would be the recommended way of installing xmonad on arch?
2022-08-06 12:26:40	MrElendig	stack is the "simplest" to maintain
2022-08-06 12:26:53	zim0369	okay
2022-08-06 12:26:54	artefact	!give zim0369 aw xmonad
2022-08-06 12:26:56	phrik	zim0369: Xmonad - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xmonad
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2022-08-06 12:27:09	zim0369	I installed xmonad from git
2022-08-06 12:27:21	zim0369	now im facing problem getting xmobar working
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2022-08-06 12:27:35	zim0369	phrik xmonad groups are a little inactive
2022-08-06 12:27:36	phrik	zim0369: The answer is 42.
2022-08-06 12:28:00	zim0369	42?
2022-08-06 12:28:09	teraflops	you are talking with a bot
2022-08-06 12:28:15	artefact	!sentientp
2022-08-06 12:28:16	phrik	artefact: Is that… Is that really a word?
2022-08-06 12:28:39	MrElendig	imo xmobar is pretty bad, but what is the actual problem?
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2022-08-06 12:29:03	zim0369	I don't think setting up polybar is trivial on xmonad
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2022-08-06 12:29:20	zim0369	I'd prefer polybar over xmobar always but there aren't any official docs for it
2022-08-06 12:29:27	⚡ 	teraflops used to use plain dzen2 w/ xmonad
2022-08-06 12:29:40	zim0369	btw, i followed the docs to setup xmobar for xmonad but doesn't seem to launch on login
2022-08-06 12:29:49	zim0369	current config: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/Wu6a9cBc
2022-08-06 12:29:50	phrik	Title: Paste: Wu6a9cBc (at paste.tomsmeding.com)
2022-08-06 12:30:01	zim0369	is dzen2 better than xmobar
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2022-08-06 12:30:21	teraflops	is… older
2022-08-06 12:30:35	susi	MrElendig: you're a xmonad user? are you a haskellist
2022-08-06 12:30:54	MrElendig	did you check that it isn't running with pgrep/similar?
2022-08-06 12:31:01	MrElendig	or just "it isn't snowing on my screen"
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2022-08-06 12:31:18	MrElendig	susi: I used to maintain xmonad-git in aur for years
2022-08-06 12:31:31	MrElendig	haven't used it much lately due to lack of wayland support
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2022-08-06 12:31:51	zim0369	after mod+q:
2022-08-06 12:31:51	zim0369	`killall xmobar`
2022-08-06 12:31:52	zim0369	No process found
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2022-08-06 12:32:31	MrElendig	killall is not a way to check if something is running
2022-08-06 12:32:43	artefact	it can be, if you send signal 0
2022-08-06 12:32:56	zim0369	`pgrep xmobar`:
2022-08-06 12:32:57	zim0369	no output
2022-08-06 12:33:02	MrElendig	if you launch xmobar by hand with your config, does it run?
2022-08-06 12:33:08	zim0369	yes
2022-08-06 12:33:23	teraflops	is twisted way of checking it ;)
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2022-08-06 12:34:32	MrElendig	off to dinner, back in a bit
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2022-08-06 12:45:00	susi	not signal 0, but give it -0 to not send any signals but do the checking
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2022-08-06 15:40:11	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-08-06 15:40:11	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1447 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1447 normals)
2022-08-06 15:15:30	bougyman	SPATH=/etc/tmux.conf scp $SPATH root@remotehost:$SPATH
2022-08-06 15:15:41	bougyman	If you have root ssh enabled (which you shouldn't), that would do it.
2022-08-06 15:32:03	grawity	scp {,deck:}/etc/tmux.conf
2022-08-06 15:32:17	grawity	although why you're not using ~/.config/tmux I'm not sure
2022-08-06 15:40:11	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-08-06 15:42:41	docmax	Repentinus, thanks
2022-08-06 15:43:08	docmax	Repentinus, `scp /etc/tmux.conf steamdeck:` does copy to home
2022-08-06 15:43:35	docmax	Repentinus, but i have expected that it takes the same path as the source
2022-08-06 15:45:54	Repentinus	grawity++
2022-08-06 15:45:59	Repentinus	That's clever.
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2022-08-06 15:47:58	Iamthehuman1	I have made a resolution for this year: Finally man up and learn to properly install and configure Arch, but not going to do it right now. I got spare laptops and VirtualBox, though I hear virtualbox is a bad habit and better exist on decent Linuxen
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2022-08-06 16:39:27	Messier81	Anyone online?
2022-08-06 16:39:52	river	is it possible to pin a specific package version? I dont want my kernel updating and bricking my system again
2022-08-06 16:40:03	river	twice was more than enough
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2022-08-06 16:42:43	BrainDamage	you can ignore updates to a package
2022-08-06 16:43:07	BrainDamage	see pacman.conf
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2022-08-06 16:44:56	river	cheers
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2022-08-06 18:08:50	Booni	Hello 
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2022-08-06 18:09:11	docmax	can you help me with "seats" in arch?
2022-08-06 18:09:22	docmax	[ERROR] [wlr] [libseat] [libseat/libseat.c:58] Backend 'logind' failed to open seat: No data available
2022-08-06 18:09:46	docmax	trying to run sway
2022-08-06 18:10:02	Booni	Guys, yesterday I booted the livecd from Arch Netboot, and I saw it has a nice autocompletion feature where if you press tab it gives you options and not just list then but you can actually select and choose them in CLI! 
2022-08-06 18:10:02	Booni	How do I enable that on my main Arch PC?
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2022-08-06 18:11:28	another|	zsh
2022-08-06 18:11:39	mingdao	echo $SHELL on that medium.
2022-08-06 18:11:52	mingdao	As another| said, it probably uses zsh.
2022-08-06 18:12:13	another|	personally I don't like that
2022-08-06 18:12:21	mingdao	syn ack
2022-08-06 18:12:48	mingdao	In Bash press tab twice
2022-08-06 18:12:49	mingdao	Display all 4199 possibilities? (y or n)
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2022-08-06 18:16:50	Namarrgon	docmax: how and where are you running sway?
2022-08-06 18:17:06	keir	docmax: is there a reason you're using that over polkit? polkit should work without any configuration
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2022-08-06 18:21:33	docmax	no reason how do you see it has polkit?
2022-08-06 18:21:53	docmax	it works if i install seatd and put my users in group seat
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2022-08-06 18:22:17	docmax	but isn't logind working like seatd?
2022-08-06 18:22:50	docmax	if i switch "backend" i get [libseat] [libseat/libseat.c:58] Backend 'logind' failed to open seat: No data available
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2022-08-06 18:23:03	docmax	where are the backends "registered"?
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2022-08-06 18:28:19	susi	Booni: it's probably zsh's AUTO_MENU option
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2022-08-06 18:29:36	susi	Booni: or zstyle ':completion:*' menu yes select
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2022-08-06 18:30:09	susi	not menu yes select, hmm, wait a second
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2022-08-06 18:30:44	Booni	so the Arch installtion medium uses zsh instead of bash?
2022-08-06 18:30:53	Namarrgon	right
2022-08-06 18:31:05	susi	zstyle ':completion:*' menu select
2022-08-06 18:31:08	Namarrgon	for the interactive shell of the live-system, at least
2022-08-06 18:32:10	Booni	Any disadvanteges of using it instead of bash?
2022-08-06 18:32:28	susi	just advantages
2022-08-06 18:32:42	Namarrgon	you can get similar levels of completion in bash if that's your main goal
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2022-08-06 18:33:20	Namarrgon	the archiso is using the grml config, which isn't to everyone's taste
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2022-08-06 18:34:21	keir	docmax: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Sway#Starting
2022-08-06 18:34:22	phrik	Title: Sway - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-06 18:34:44	keir	docmax: with polkit installed, it "just works"
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2022-08-06 18:35:39	keir	docmax: otherwise, make sure you have followed the steps to configure seatd
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2022-08-06 18:37:05	Frogging101	glibc 2.36 breaks EasyAntiCheat because of an innocuous commit that removes an optional ELF header. Reverting it fixes it. Should I report this to bugs.archlinux.org?
2022-08-06 18:37:46	Namarrgon	was it reported upstream?
2022-08-06 18:38:33	Frogging101	Not that I can tell.
2022-08-06 18:39:03	Namarrgon	then i would start there
2022-08-06 18:39:10	Frogging101	Okay
2022-08-06 18:39:14	Booni	Namarrgon: how do I do to get similar completion in Bash? 
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2022-08-06 18:39:34	another|	bash-completion
2022-08-06 18:40:07	Namarrgon	the bash page on the wiki should give you a short intro to the basics
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2022-08-06 18:41:54	hndrkkz	:wink:
2022-08-06 18:42:15	Frogging101	!paste
2022-08-06 18:42:15	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-08-06 18:43:20	Namarrgon	Frogging101: is this discussed on the proton issues on github?
2022-08-06 18:43:33	Frogging101	Yes. I bisected it: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/6051#issuecomment-1206888814
2022-08-06 18:45:44	Namarrgon	does EAC have some sort of bugtracker, too?
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2022-08-06 18:46:04	Frogging101	I don't think so
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2022-08-06 18:46:53	Frogging101	It's an Epic Games owned anti-cheat software
2022-08-06 18:47:36	Frogging101	used by various games
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2022-08-06 18:51:19	kenwoodfox	Im trying to further diagnose and collect data for an issue im having, when i plug in my webcam to my motherboard's host USB ports i get all kinds of, cant set config and UVC errors and unable to enumerate USB device, all the bad stuff. But i have a front io usb hub thing on my pc, witch connects to a 10 pin usb port on my motherboard through some other usb controller. and when i use that.. it
2022-08-06 18:51:19	kenwoodfox	seems to work fine? dmesg says it just connects 
2022-08-06 18:51:19	kenwoodfox	perfectly, no problems
2022-08-06 18:51:19	kenwoodfox	Im skeptical of power delivery issues but, not sure what other information i can gleam, i'd like to be able to use my rear USB ports for this if possible, im guessing i just have some configuration issue somewhere?
2022-08-06 18:52:21	kenwoodfox	https://gist.github.com/KenwoodFox/8f59aacf325817ebd809519d15cad882
2022-08-06 18:54:22	Namarrgon	-71 often hints at power or ESD issues
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2022-08-06 18:54:52	Namarrgon	have you swapped the usb cable for a different one?
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2022-08-06 19:10:03	kenwoodfox	Namarrgon: I did try another usb cable, i dont have a C to C cable but, maybe could try that too. it seems to not function on anything other than a USB2.0 port, witch is why it dosent work my my rear panel i suppose, its only usb 3.0
2022-08-06 19:10:13	kenwoodfox	Thats very odd, its a high speed device for sure,
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2022-08-06 20:42:54	Frogging101	I requested a sourceware account to report the issue to glibc but have to wait for it to get approved
2022-08-06 20:43:34	Frogging101	By the way, does Arch ever patch packages? Reverting this commit is harmless and fixes the issue
2022-08-06 20:43:42	Frogging101	https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/6051#issuecomment-1206888814
2022-08-06 20:43:49	another|	yes, arch patches sometimes
2022-08-06 20:45:16	Frogging101	This commit also doesn't require rebuilding packages that compile against glibc because it just changes an ELF metadata section in libc.so
2022-08-06 20:46:50	Frogging101	It would be unfortunate to have to wait for the next glibc release to fix this
2022-08-06 20:47:36	Scimmia	sounds more like an EAC problem
2022-08-06 20:48:08	Frogging101	Indeed. I have no idea why they're relying on the .hash section but they could not do that.
2022-08-06 20:48:27	Scimmia	*if* upstream decides to revert it, Arch might, but the chances of it happening if upstream rejects it is very, very small
2022-08-06 20:48:33	Frogging101	But I imagine they're not easy to communicate with
2022-08-06 20:48:57	Frogging101	really EAC should fix it. Maybe that can be arranged
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2022-08-06 21:22:06	citazen	1T HD wat to do?
2022-08-06 21:22:33	MrElendig	pr0n storage
2022-08-06 21:22:43	citazen	kek
2022-08-06 21:22:43	river	partition it up
2022-08-06 21:22:44	MrElendig	or games that doesn't need good io
2022-08-06 21:22:50	river	storage space for everyone here
2022-08-06 21:23:02	susi	as a teenager, I had a 1T pr0n collection
2022-08-06 21:23:05	citazen	storage for wat
2022-08-06 21:23:07	MrElendig	or give it away, its only worth like 10€ anyway
2022-08-06 21:23:08	citazen	no pix
2022-08-06 21:23:12	citazen	links maybe
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2022-08-06 21:23:27	citazen	sell shit
2022-08-06 21:23:52	citazen	leabve it blank and jst dont allow anyone to write to it
2022-08-06 21:23:57	citazen	lwl
2022-08-06 21:28:42	citazen	was thinking a meme archive
2022-08-06 21:28:42	citazen	but would need heavy monitoring
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2022-08-06 21:28:42	citazen	planning on connecting to net
2022-08-06 21:28:42	citazen	run an onion too
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2022-08-06 21:28:42	docmax	how can i get attached to a seat when logging in with ssh?
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2022-08-06 21:28:42	MrElendig	you mean an existing session?
2022-08-06 21:28:42	MrElendig	repty or similar but its ugly as all hell
2022-08-06 21:28:42	citazen	how to create an SSH session?
2022-08-06 21:28:42	citazen	just login 
2022-08-06 21:28:42	docmax	existing or creating a new one
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2022-08-06 21:28:42	citazen	u want to piggy back anothers ssh login?
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2022-08-06 21:28:42	docmax	-session   optional   pam_systemd.so
2022-08-06 21:28:42	MrElendig	docmax: logind should give you a session on connect unless you broke it
2022-08-06 21:28:42	docmax	found this in pam.d but has no effect
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2022-08-06 21:28:50	docmax	MrElendig, i get a session, but i'm not on a seat
2022-08-06 21:28:51	MrElendig	what is the problem?
2022-08-06 21:29:09	citazen	session, but not seated
2022-08-06 21:29:16	docmax	SESSION  UID USER   SEAT TTY
2022-08-06 21:29:16	docmax	      8 1000 docmax      pts/0
2022-08-06 21:29:16	citazen	check credentials?
2022-08-06 21:29:38	citazen	check privledges and rights
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2022-08-06 21:29:49	docmax	iam in group seat
2022-08-06 21:29:51	MrElendig	docmax: an actual seat is for local connections
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2022-08-06 21:30:27	docmax	also remote connection should be possible
2022-08-06 21:30:30	citazen	LinuxRights Matter!
2022-08-06 21:30:41	MrElendig	local being physical
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2022-08-06 21:33:50	docmax	https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/709837/how-to-attach-virtual-ssh-session-to-systemd-seat0
2022-08-06 21:33:51	phrik	Title: udev - How to attach virtual (SSH) session to (systemd) seat0? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2022-08-06 21:33:58	docmax	but no solution in the article :-(
2022-08-06 21:34:30	citazen	are u trying to ssh from a local VM to your local HD
2022-08-06 21:34:33	MrElendig	why are you trying to do it?
2022-08-06 21:34:57	docmax	i need to start a wayland session
2022-08-06 21:35:01	citazen	are u tryiong to ssh into a systemd?
2022-08-06 21:35:02	docmax	from remote
2022-08-06 21:35:22	citazen	ok u are remote vm ssh to another hd
2022-08-06 21:35:30	docmax	yes
2022-08-06 21:35:49	MrElendig	docmax: vm or physical machine?
2022-08-06 21:35:52	citazen	and u can ssh in
2022-08-06 21:35:57	docmax	phys
2022-08-06 21:36:10	citazen	but once in no seat
2022-08-06 21:36:25	citazen	seat... keep diggin on this issuye
2022-08-06 21:37:14	citazen	im going rights and pribledges
2022-08-06 21:37:32	susi	citazen: are U sober?
2022-08-06 21:37:39	citazen	no new keyboard
2022-08-06 21:37:55	MrElendig	pretty sure I've seen a solution for starting gnome with the rdp server over ssh
2022-08-06 21:37:59	citazen	are u rooted when u ssh?
2022-08-06 21:38:08	carbolymer	ehlo, am gonna do some webshit for fun, what are the package names for langservers for JS, CSS and HTML?
2022-08-06 21:38:13	citazen	is this your own remote HD
2022-08-06 21:38:23	citazen	JS is the debil
2022-08-06 21:38:31	carbolymer	citazen: know your enemy
2022-08-06 21:38:39	citazen	kek
2022-08-06 21:39:12	citazen	user privledges are not extended to you?
2022-08-06 21:39:26	MrElendig	using a systemd service instead of starting it directly
2022-08-06 21:40:15	docmax	yeah i know but if i just get a seat it would be easier
2022-08-06 21:41:37	citazen	The most likely cause is that systemd-logind is unable to resolve your user name to UID 
2022-08-06 21:41:44	citazen	https://superuser.com/questions/1563951/systemd-does-not-assign-a-seat-to-my-session-when-using-nis-authentication
2022-08-06 21:41:45	phrik	Title: linux - systemd does not assign a seat to my session when using NIS authentication - Super User (at superuser.com)
2022-08-06 21:42:14	citazen	not sure if this helps
2022-08-06 21:43:18	docmax	thank i found it too... those options didn't help
2022-08-06 21:44:14	citazen	gudluk
2022-08-06 21:44:19	citazen	!next
2022-08-06 21:44:19	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-08-06 21:44:31	docmax	thanks
2022-08-06 21:44:35	citazen	o/
2022-08-06 21:44:52	docmax	you have been great help for me
2022-08-06 21:45:01	citazen	you are welcome
2022-08-06 21:45:17	citazen	im not sure what i did to help, but just brain storming
2022-08-06 21:48:36	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL partial-upgrading the kernel :p
2022-08-06 21:48:39	SCHAPiE	Hammering the AUR server a bit because of some renewed insights. I'll try to keep the 429 responses to a minimum.
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2022-08-06 22:39:04	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1440 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1440 normals)
2022-08-06 22:38:51	remline	When I sign in to the wiki.archlinux.org, it starts drawing an annoying bar at the top of the page when I scroll down. Can I turn that off? It doesn't show when not signed in.
2022-08-06 22:39:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-08-06 22:39:24	ringo__	Namarrgon: http://ix.io/46QU
2022-08-06 22:39:50	MrElendig	remline: screenshot?
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2022-08-06 22:40:56	Namarrgon	ringo__: post the output of susi's command
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2022-08-06 22:41:58	ringo__	Namarrgon: http://ix.io/46QW
2022-08-06 22:42:05	ringo__	>ded    :(
2022-08-06 22:42:44	Namarrgon	if you switch to vt2 a getty is still spawned?
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2022-08-06 22:43:31	ringo__	Namarrgon: actually... yeah it is
2022-08-06 22:43:38	ringo__	so it's just vt1
2022-08-06 22:43:39	Namarrgon	enable the getty@tty1.service again
2022-08-06 22:43:54	Namarrgon	and start it, too, or reboot
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2022-08-06 22:44:46	ringo__	it was *that* easy
2022-08-06 22:44:51	ringo__	thanks Namarrgon & susi :)
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2022-08-06 22:46:58	MasterOfDisaster	I'm having trouble with systemd-cryptenroll + TPM2 - it doesn't unlock my disk, it falls back to the passphrase. How can I find out why?
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2022-08-06 22:52:49	remline	MrElendig: I switched the theme to Monobook and it went away :)
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2022-08-06 23:05:43	ℹ 	leonardus es conocido ahora como panini3
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2022-08-06 23:10:04	kek_	hi
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2022-08-06 23:11:39	kek_	hope it's not offtopic. 2 days ago I spilled a glas of water over my laptop. Turned it on today after basically putting it in front of a fan for 24h + in 30°C + (heatwave). Turned it on to get a few files and see if it's fucked. Still works. How long should I wait until using it again non stop all day long?
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2022-08-06 23:13:55	susi	I'm not giving a serious advice on this, but if I were you, and already turned it on and it worked after that drying, I'd start using it 24/7 again
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2022-08-06 23:14:09	susi	such spillage has happened multiple times to me, too
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2022-08-06 23:14:41	susi	it probably depends on how much was spilled, the construction of the laptop, and such
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2022-08-06 23:15:13	susi	some laptops are more resistant than others
2022-08-06 23:15:27	susi	(and dry more easily/faster)
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2022-08-06 23:17:16	kek_	susi try pouring 3dl over the over the open laptop. It was dripping. I might wait 1-2 days more.
2022-08-06 23:18:31	merced	or spray wd40 everywhere
2022-08-06 23:18:51	susi	you should probably have waited those 1-2 days more before initially powering it on, because it could well have borked only then
2022-08-06 23:18:53	rdg	I did some experiments with two glasses separated by ~0.5mm (like a chip over the PCB) and they retain water for up to a few days without a fan. I would say > 1 week is safe
2022-08-06 23:19:25	kek_	susi really needed those files, I knew it was risky.
2022-08-06 23:22:02	merced	i once forded a river in my old nissan suv
2022-08-06 23:22:02	merced	engine got really wet and stalled
2022-08-06 23:22:02	merced	took a wide-nose wd40 bottle and sprayed the engine down and it booted right back uo
2022-08-06 23:22:02	kek_	:D
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2022-08-07 12:01:14	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-08-07 12:01:14	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1429 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1429 normals)
2022-08-07 09:54:16	alloy	sure ok
2022-08-07 09:54:44	mpan	The hook is invoked if any changes to files in “/usr/share/haskell/register/” are made.
2022-08-07 09:55:13	mpan	Can you remove haskell-bifunctors now? May cause another hook error.
2022-08-07 09:56:23	mpan	I believe ghc-pkg thinks that the package is still installed, so it fails to re-register it.
2022-08-07 09:57:59	mpan	If that succeeds, try reinstalling it after that and see if ghc-pkg still complains.
2022-08-07 10:00:47	mpan	rodt78: did you see the questions 30 mins ago?
2022-08-07 10:10:52	alloy	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=259098
2022-08-07 10:10:52	phrik	Title: How to uninstall the many haskell packages / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-08-07 10:12:04	mpan	alloy: yes, but that concerns a situation if pacman knows about the package being installed. That clearly was not the case of yours until you now successfully installed it.
2022-08-07 10:13:32	mpan	Well, since it seems alloy thinks they needed to prove someone wrong, while being absolutely ignorant of what’s actually happening: no, that link does not contain the solution and is not related in any way. And alloy’s system is likely still broken.
2022-08-07 11:03:18	fcn	Hi all. I have a Thinkpad X220 running arch without problems for years. During the latest update kernel somehow got removed and I was not paying attention so when I rebooted I couldn't find it back. Now I have archiso booted trying to solve the issue but the trouble is I can't seem to connect to internet via ethernet. This was never the case before. ip link shows two interfaces lo and enp0s25. I
2022-08-07 11:03:18	fcn	believe `ip link set enp0s25 up` followed by `systemctl s
2022-08-07 11:03:18	fcn	tart dhcpcd.service` should've solved and put me online but no luck there. So I'm here to ask how I can proceed. Thanks for your help in advance.
2022-08-07 11:10:23	nl6720	fcn: the live environment uses systemd-networkd for DHCP. `networkctl` should show you the state of network interfaces
2022-08-07 11:10:26	fcn	h4rd3n3d: `iw dev`shows nothing. I believe I have a b43 wifi card. 
2022-08-07 11:11:30	fcn	nl6720: thanks. just checked and it shows as configuring. I believe there is a chance that it might be a problematic cable too. let me check if I have a spare ethernet cable somewhere
2022-08-07 11:12:04	nl6720	`networkctl status enp0s25` may give more details
2022-08-07 11:14:31	nl6720	fcn: if you've started dhcpcd.service, I suggest rebooting first. multiple network management services will cause conflicts
2022-08-07 11:15:56	MrElendig	fcn: is this on the install image itself or afterwards?
2022-08-07 11:16:52	fcn_	oops, I restarted the router when plugging a different cable. sorry for bothering you, and thanks nl6720 & h4rd3n3d. good old cable switch has solved the problem
2022-08-07 11:17:06	nl6720	!next
2022-08-07 11:17:07	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-08-07 11:17:36	fcn_	:)
2022-08-07 11:57:59	luna1	hey im trying to setup an alarm to tell me to take my meds, would a cron job that runs a script at 6pm everyday be a good idea or am i missing summat
2022-08-07 11:58:55	laku_n9vt	hi
2022-08-07 11:58:58	luna1	hi
2022-08-07 11:59:31	luna1	hey laku would a cron job be a good way to make an alarm that tells me to do my meds
2022-08-07 11:59:41	river	use a phone app
2022-08-07 12:00:04	laku_n9vt	i want to install this game https://freelinuxpcgames.com/getting-over-it-with-bennett-foddy/ but after torrenting the file i got getting over it repack but it is not starting
2022-08-07 12:00:05	phrik	Title: Getting Over It with Bennett Foddy Linux Free Download (Native) » Free Linux PC Games (at freelinuxpcgames.com)
2022-08-07 12:00:15	laku_n9vt	it is showing this   YAD Simple Installer (21.05.2021): Getting Over It (1.6)
2022-08-07 12:00:22	laku_n9vt	yes
2022-08-07 12:00:25	luna1	the thing is i dont use my phone too much lmao so its rarely charged lmao
2022-08-07 12:01:14	laku_n9vt	can anyone tell me any solution ?
2022-08-07 12:01:14	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-08-07 12:04:14	mpan	luna1: systemd has timers.
2022-08-07 12:04:32	mpan	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd/Timers
2022-08-07 12:04:33	phrik	Title: systemd/Timers - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-07 12:04:44	luna1	tysm
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2022-08-07 12:05:11	mpan	You probably want run it as a user timer, not system timer, as user timer will easily have access to all resources the user has (and you may need that e.g. to use notify-send).
2022-08-07 12:05:26	laku_n9vt	please
2022-08-07 12:05:35	laku_n9vt	i really want to play i
2022-08-07 12:05:36	laku_n9vt	t
2022-08-07 12:05:46	luna1	ty mpan
2022-08-07 12:06:08	demonicmaniac1	the most simple option would be at sending a notification
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2022-08-07 12:06:45	luna1	imma make it run a script that sends a notification and plays a sound so its certain to get my attention
2022-08-07 12:06:51	mpan	If your computer still has a PC speaker, see the beep package too. :)
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2022-08-07 12:07:11	demonicmaniac1	if he hasnt blacklisted pcspkr
2022-08-07 12:07:11	⚡ 	mpan uses that both as a wake-up alarm and a timer.
2022-08-07 12:07:17	lambda	laku_n9vt: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#criminal-solicitation
2022-08-07 12:07:17	phrik	Title: Code of Conduct | Arch Linux Terms (at terms.archlinux.org)
2022-08-07 12:07:22	mpan	Yes, ifs, ifs, ifs. :)
2022-08-07 12:07:47	luna1	unless blacklisting pcspkr is like an out of the box thing i havent then
2022-08-07 12:07:56	luna1	also that might be a great idea ty mpan
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2022-08-07 12:08:30	demonicmaniac1	i don't remember if it is just saying if beep no worky might look at pcspkr maybe disabled
2022-08-07 12:08:57	luna1	ahh fair
2022-08-07 12:09:01	demonicmaniac1	bloopsaphone is also great :)
2022-08-07 12:09:20	luna1	im just realising my computer defo doesnt have a pc speaker cause i built the thing and there was defo no speaker in there lmao
2022-08-07 12:09:30	luna1	im a bit used to my laptop that im pretty sure had one
2022-08-07 12:09:45	Namarrgon	laku_n9vt: please don't post links to warez or ask for them in here
2022-08-07 12:09:45	lambda	I have a bag of them lying around
2022-08-07 12:09:56	demonicmaniac1	https://github.com/whymirror/bloopsaphone
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2022-08-07 12:10:00	luna1	warez?
2022-08-07 12:10:18	luna1	lmao that is based
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2022-08-07 12:12:15	mpan	luna1: have you inspect the motherboard carefully? ;)
2022-08-07 12:12:35	luna1	i have not but im like 99% sure i didnt fit one
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2022-08-07 12:12:51	luna1	granted this box is like 5 yrs old and i was like 13-14 at the time so might be wrong
2022-08-07 12:13:21	mpan	Just install beep and try. :D
2022-08-07 12:13:31	mpan	Playing a melody on the beeper really works as an alarm.
2022-08-07 12:13:32	demonicmaniac1	if you got some highspeed fans in there you could also spin them at max
2022-08-07 12:13:36	luna1	LMAO
2022-08-07 12:13:38	mpan	LOL 
2022-08-07 12:13:49	luna1	i dont think mine are like superduper fast
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2022-08-07 12:14:09	luna1	welcome
2022-08-07 12:14:41	luna1	no luck
2022-08-07 12:14:51	luna1	pretty sure my mobo came with one but i just thought it was extranious
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2022-08-07 12:16:46	luna1	hello there
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2022-08-07 12:17:08	luna1	hello there
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2022-08-07 12:25:54	meator	Hello. I am trying to install the 'hwinfo' package in a archlinux docker container but I'm getting this: https://termbin.com/grvj
2022-08-07 12:26:30	mpan	pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
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2022-08-07 12:32:11	haibar	Hello people. I'm trying to update BIOS on this PC with no successs. The update files from motherboard provider consist of "filename.FH, Efiflash.exe and autoexec.bat"
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2022-08-07 12:32:48	ttyX	what's the board model?
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2022-08-07 12:33:31	ttyX	you could just create a freedos based live usb stick to flash
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2022-08-07 12:34:12	haibar	its gigabyte GA-b85-hd3 
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2022-08-07 12:35:14	haibar	one more thing, are those bios updates provider in mainboard sites accumulative? u see more recent versions with other descriptions, they include the "fixes" from previous versions?
2022-08-07 12:35:34	haibar	or you should be updating the bios with each version? 
2022-08-07 12:35:59	ttyX	usually you can just flash the latest
2022-08-07 12:36:15	ttyX	or whichever version you choose
2022-08-07 12:36:22	haibar	oki 
2022-08-07 12:36:37	haibar	so for desktop mainboards the choice that works is freedos? 
2022-08-07 12:36:44	haibar	went through the arch wiki entry for flashing bios
2022-08-07 12:36:55	haibar	the pckgs/methods mentioned mostly do not work or do not detect this board
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2022-08-07 12:40:01	ttyX	for these old motherboards you need to create bootable usb drive, for newer ones you can just flash by putting the files on a fat32 formatted usb drive
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2022-08-07 12:40:41	haibar	@ttyX - oki, thanks man, will give it a shot with unetbootin (bootable usb)
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2022-08-07 12:41:28	meator	mpan: https://termbin.com/fi9h
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2022-08-07 12:56:21	mpan	meator: I see that the old version of hwinfo has been signed before the most recent archlinux-keyring release. Possibly that’s to blame. Currently a new version is being rolled out, so perhaps wait a moment and see if it works after it arrives to your mirror.
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2022-08-07 12:57:38	mpan	(it still shouldn’t happen, so it’s not ok that you receive the error; but perhaps it will be resolved by itself with the latest version)
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2022-08-07 12:58:35	mpan	I can only confirm that 22.0-1 verifies/installs here.
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2022-08-07 13:00:25	meator	It's a fresh archlinux docker container. It should be using the default mirrors.
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2022-08-07 13:01:12	mpan	Maybe. But how does that relates to what I said?
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2022-08-07 13:09:04	meator	I solved it! It turns out that the docker image itself needed an update. I think this shouldn't have caused any problems, pacman -Syu should have fixed it in my opinion but it works now. Thanks!
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2022-08-07 15:27:52	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-08-07 16:40:33	SFENCE	Hi. Today, I have done arch update and firefox, skypeforlinux, discord, minetest and maybe other programs stop to work. Probably it is some problem with javascript comming from duktape package. Firefox cannont load profille (renaming .mozzila folder has no effect), skypeforlinux failed to get userData path (hint to line in browser_init.js), and discord faled to get appData path (hint to
2022-08-07 16:40:33	SFENCE	*init.js)
2022-08-07 16:42:18	Namarrgon	are you running these in some sort of jail?
2022-08-07 16:44:20	susi	SFENCE: will `firefox -profile /tmp` start?
2022-08-07 16:44:29	SFENCE	Namerrgibn: no, I am running it normaly from terminal or fluxbox menu.
2022-08-07 16:45:29	SFENCE	susi: firefox -profile /tmp get same error: your firefox profile cannot be loaded. It may be missing or inaccessible.
2022-08-07 16:46:24	susi	SFENCE: is your / mounted as ro?
2022-08-07 16:47:38	SFENCE	sudi: /dev/sda2 on / type ext4 (rw,noatime)
2022-08-07 16:48:18	SFENCE	sudi: xorg/X11 server and fluxbox started normally as usually.
2022-08-07 16:48:42	Repentinus	What's the output of `uname -a` and how did you upgrade your system?
2022-08-07 16:49:20	susi	SFENCE: anything relevant in /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log or ~/.xsession-errors)?
2022-08-07 16:49:22	SFENCE	Repentinus: by pacman -Syu command, output is: Linux SFENCE-arch 5.18.16-arch1-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Wed, 03 Aug 2022 11:25:04 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2022-08-07 16:50:20	Repentinus	Thanks. Just checking we don't have another distro's user here.
2022-08-07 16:52:49	SFENCE	susi: i see nothing strange in Xorg.0.log
2022-08-07 16:54:52	SFENCE	susi: from other program testing, I think that Xorg is running normally, including graphic drivers (blender starts without problems)
2022-08-07 16:57:23	SFENCE	First two lines of discordr error say: Error: Failed to get 'appData' path at App.c._setDefaultAppPaths (electron/js2c/browser_init.js:5:1350)   (I can not use pastebins because have no web browser running, I tried to install chromium, but it freezes on starting....)
2022-08-07 16:58:28	Repentinus	That sounds like the XDG_$ environment variables are unset or set incorrectly and the apps are not defaulting to the fallbacks for some reason?
2022-08-07 16:58:33	Repentinus	But…
2022-08-07 16:58:35	Repentinus	!ix
2022-08-07 16:58:36	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-08-07 16:59:36	SFENCE	Repentinus: XDG_* variable looks to be set (command printenv)
2022-08-07 17:01:19	SFENCE	phrik: return http://ix.io/3UmP
2022-08-07 17:01:20	phrik	SFENCE: Say what?
2022-08-07 17:01:41	susi	your paste is lacking content
2022-08-07 17:02:31	SFENCE	Ok, this curl command i can use for paste error mesages?
2022-08-07 17:03:05	susi	some_command |& curl -F 'file=@-' 0x0.st
2022-08-07 17:03:10	Repentinus	The paste just says `ahoj`.
2022-08-07 17:04:18	susi	if you're using fish, use &| instead of |&
2022-08-07 17:04:23	SFENCE	http://ix.io/46VB -> this should be output from discord starting.
2022-08-07 17:04:50	Scimmia	SFENCE: how did you handle the electron upgrade?
2022-08-07 17:05:47	Scimmia	hmm, might not have had to, some of those use their own bundled version
2022-08-07 17:06:37	SFENCE	Scimmia: pacman -Ss electron looks like no electron package is installed. I try to install it.
2022-08-07 17:07:15	Scimmia	installing it won't help
2022-08-07 17:07:36	SFENCE	Scimmia: electron installed, no change in detected.
2022-08-07 17:09:23	SFENCE	Scimmia: confirmed. Is file electron/js2c/browser_init.js part of some other package then electron?
2022-08-07 17:10:45	Scimmia	from discord, it should be inside one of the archives, IIRC
2022-08-07 17:12:36	Carbon_Monoxide	This might be not really that distro specific. But I like discussing with Arch buddies. Which browser has a good balance of memory usage(lightweight) over security?
2022-08-07 17:13:25	susi	probably some TUI browser
2022-08-07 17:13:49	nk_	that, or ungoogled chromium
2022-08-07 17:13:58	BrainDamage	anything that doesn't run javascript will be pretty light and a small attack surface
2022-08-07 17:14:11	BrainDamage	it'll also to fail to interact with most of the web
2022-08-07 17:14:49	Carbon_Monoxide	But most modern web pages don't work without Javascript.
2022-08-07 17:14:50	susi	but out of principle, I must always recommend Firefox (there's unmozillafied firefox called LibreWolf), but Firefox itself can be made lots lighter than the default installation, and lots more secure
2022-08-07 17:15:15	Carbon_Monoxide	I know the Javascript engine is the reason which causes the memory and CPU consumption.
2022-08-07 17:15:33	SFENCE	Scimmia: but it is not onluy problem of discord, but of skypeforlinux too and firefox,chromium and lua interpreter probably as well. So, it should be problem of some package which is uses with oll this programs.
2022-08-07 17:15:38	Repentinus	Firefox + uMatrix.
2022-08-07 17:16:27	Carbon_Monoxide	susi: Would you give more information about "Firefox itself can be made lots lighter than the default installation, and lots more secure"?
2022-08-07 17:16:28	susi	+ uBlock Origin
2022-08-07 17:16:34	Scimmia	SFENCE: skype uses elecron as well. I was thinking that minetest did, but I think I was wrong there
2022-08-07 17:16:40	Repentinus	susi, yes.
2022-08-07 17:16:53	Scimmia	and chromium basically is electron
2022-08-07 17:16:58	susi	Carbon_Monoxide: this is a good starting point https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/
2022-08-07 17:17:14	nk_	Carbon_Monoxide: i'm not sure but basically look into firefox profiles
2022-08-07 17:17:22	nk_	that
2022-08-07 17:17:37	Scimmia	I really don't know which way to go with all of those being a problem
2022-08-07 17:17:52	susi	disabling all kinds of telemetry and bloat features and such also makes it lighter
2022-08-07 17:17:55	Repentinus	Keeping that up to date can be a pain, though. Enterprise profiles are a better way of limiting Firefox.
2022-08-07 17:18:12	SFENCE	Scimmia: it look like minetest uses it to load content from content.db, I estimate from error it return ( http://ix.io/46VE )
2022-08-07 17:18:13	Carbon_Monoxide	Repentinus: Is uMatrix a similar plugin as uBlock Origin for privacy?
2022-08-07 17:18:15	susi	Repentinus: it's not a pain, there's updater.sh for that
2022-08-07 17:18:29	susi	just run updater.sh and possbily prefs cleaner after an update
2022-08-07 17:18:39	Carbon_Monoxide	susi: I'm using FireFox + uBlock Origin.
2022-08-07 17:18:46	nk_	or you can go the librewolf route 
2022-08-07 17:18:46	Repentinus	susi, it is cause you have to consider whether the various changed preferences make sense for you.
2022-08-07 17:19:27	Repentinus	Carbon_Monoxide, it enables you to selectively whitelist (or blacklist) JS, CSS, cookies, images, etc on a per-origin basis.
2022-08-07 17:19:37	susi	I have had zero problems with updating, if it works at one point, it will work in the future too
2022-08-07 17:20:04	Carbon_Monoxide	susi: Thanks a lot for user.js!
2022-08-07 17:20:27	Repentinus	susi, if all the defaults make sense to you and you need no conflicting settings, then that's fair enough.
2022-08-07 17:20:32	Scimmia	SFENCE: so both are failing when trying to get a path
2022-08-07 17:20:34	susi	Carbon_Monoxide: be sure to read the wiki, and you probably need to make some overrides (in user-overrides.js) to make it yours
2022-08-07 17:20:42	Scimmia	or likely
2022-08-07 17:20:52	susi	Repentinus: all the defaults don't make sense to me, but I have my user-overrides.js
2022-08-07 17:21:15	SFENCE	@Scimmia: Yes, discrod and Skype. For minetest and firefox, I cannot say, I don't see enought informations.
2022-08-07 17:21:29	Carbon_Monoxide	Repentinus: I see. More granularity. Thanks!
2022-08-07 17:22:49	nk_	anyone on full wayland sessions yet ? 
2022-08-07 17:23:04	MrElendig	lots of people are
2022-08-07 17:23:07	Scimmia	SFENCE: minetest is likely the same
2022-08-07 17:23:51	SFENCE	Scimmia: this is everything I can get from firefox, I don't found some working verbose option. http://ix.io/46VG
2022-08-07 17:24:08	Scimmia	SFENCE: type -a firefox
2022-08-07 17:24:10	susi	nk_: I know some people here are
2022-08-07 17:24:11	Carbon_Monoxide	Last time when I check some browser reviews, LibreWolf was not that recommended over FireFox. I can't remember why.
2022-08-07 17:24:21	nk_	MrElendig: i'm considering switching
2022-08-07 17:25:04	Repentinus	MrElendig, with XWayland disabled? :-O
2022-08-07 17:25:06	MrElendig	works fine with gnome
2022-08-07 17:25:06	susi	please use Firefox, or there will soon be just Chrome, and Google has total control :)
2022-08-07 17:25:07	SFENCE	Scimnia: firefox is /usr/bin/firefox
2022-08-07 17:25:08	nk_	i'm on i3 and i heard sway just swallows my i3 config
2022-08-07 17:25:09	MrElendig	sway mostly works
2022-08-07 17:25:15	Carbon_Monoxide	I'm using nVidia graphic card. And I want to switch to full Wayland session. But I'm not really to hit bug or crash.
2022-08-07 17:25:25	MrElendig	Repentinus: no, but it can be days between the uses of it :p
2022-08-07 17:25:26	nk_	and im all amd so
2022-08-07 17:25:48	MrElendig	basically just steam
2022-08-07 17:25:55	MrElendig	(and games)
2022-08-07 17:26:08	Scimmia	SFENCE: multilpe programs are having problems accessing the filesystem. Something really strange is going on. Have you rebooted?
2022-08-07 17:26:12	MrElendig	nk_: sway comfig is not 100% compatible, but pretty close
2022-08-07 17:26:33	SFENCE	@scimmia: two or tree times minimally.
2022-08-07 17:26:46	Scimmia	and no problems there. Hmm...
2022-08-07 17:26:51	nk_	MrElendig: ofc, my only concern is screensharing but i heard xdg-portal is pretty solid rn
2022-08-07 17:27:19	Repentinus	SFENCE, what's the value of $XDG_CONFIG_HOME?
2022-08-07 17:27:22	nk_	anyways, i'll give it a shot thanks MrElendig
2022-08-07 17:27:23	MrElendig	depends on the type of screen sharing you want
2022-08-07 17:27:36	MrElendig	if you just want to cast your screen that works fine generally
2022-08-07 17:27:54	nk_	MrElendig: my whole screen, through firefox
2022-08-07 17:28:02	SFENCE	Scimnia: I checked log with journalctl --since "1 min ago" after reboot. I see nothing helpfull.
2022-08-07 17:28:50	Carbon_Monoxide	I could be M$ Edge has pretty good reputation in recent reviews.
2022-08-07 17:28:54	MrElendig	no idea how broken it is on firefox, but then again its firefox so...
2022-08-07 17:30:03	SFENCE	Repentinus: XDG_CONFIG_HOME=/root/.config  -> looks like not valid, logged user is sfence
2022-08-07 17:30:13	Carbon_Monoxide	I'm using Vivaldi and FireFox+uBlock Origin parallelly. But Vivaldi isn't that stable to me.
2022-08-07 17:30:21	Repentinus	Yeah.
2022-08-07 17:30:32	Repentinus	You've done something very weird.
2022-08-07 17:30:38	nk_	MrElendig:  seems i just have to set "MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1" in my .profile and its pretty much golden. or so says archwiki
2022-08-07 17:30:39	MrElendig	SFENCE: you should not be setting XDG_CONFIG_HOME explicitly
2022-08-07 17:30:49	MrElendig	unless you have *really* good reasons to 
2022-08-07 17:31:09	Repentinus	In any case, it's been set incorrectly.
2022-08-07 17:31:44	Repentinus	If it's missing (or properly set to the default value), it should be /home/sfence/.config.
2022-08-07 17:31:53	Repentinus	I suspect the other base dirs are similarly misconfigured.
2022-08-07 17:32:15	Repentinus	and as your user probably does not have the right to read or write to /root, everything is failing
2022-08-07 17:32:51	Repentinus	!give sfence aw XDG base directories
2022-08-07 17:32:52	phrik	sfence: No results found.
2022-08-07 17:32:58	MrElendig	grep for XDG_ in /etc and $HOME
2022-08-07 17:33:02	Repentinus	!give sfence aw XDG base directory
2022-08-07 17:33:03	phrik	sfence: XDG Base Directory - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_Base_Directory
2022-08-07 17:33:08	Repentinus	Check all of them.
2022-08-07 17:33:18	SFENCE	I am not setting XDG_CONFIG_HOME manually. Interesting that it works to these days. 
2022-08-07 17:34:04	MrElendig	most likely cause is either its set manually somewhere, or you used su/sudo badly from root
2022-08-07 17:34:59	Repentinus	It is being set by something on every boot as you told us the issues persist after reboots.
2022-08-07 17:35:05	SFENCE	What program is responsible for setting XDG_* variables?
2022-08-07 17:35:14	Repentinus	Nothing, by default.
2022-08-07 17:35:19	Repentinus	On Arch they are generally unset.
2022-08-07 17:35:32	Repentinus	Your session manager might do so if you use gdm or something.
2022-08-07 17:35:33	MrElendig	SFENCE: as said, grep for XDG_ in /etc and $HOME
2022-08-07 17:36:38	Repentinus	If you directly start X or Wayland from shell upon log-in, then possibly your shell. Or you could have a user unit setting it. That's why you need to search the files for these dirs.
2022-08-07 17:37:41	SFENCE	@Repentinus I am using su --command "flubox" sfence for start gui
2022-08-07 17:38:03	Scimmia	yeah, don't do that
2022-08-07 17:38:06	MrElendig	SFENCE: see the second part of my statement
2022-08-07 17:38:39	Repentinus	Running your GUI as root is exceptionally dumb.
2022-08-07 17:39:03	Repentinus	Everything you start in that Fluxbox session runs as root as a result.
2022-08-07 17:39:31	MrElendig	in this case, running as user but with the env of root
2022-08-07 17:39:56	MrElendig	in a nonsensical way
2022-08-07 17:40:27	SFENCE	@Repentinus, really, it should change user to sfence, like command "su sfence" ? 
2022-08-07 17:40:54	Repentinus	I didn't notice that part as MrElendig already pointed out. It's just unnecessary in your case.
2022-08-07 17:41:12	Repentinus	Plus apparently you inherit the root's environment.
2022-08-07 17:41:26	SFENCE	I did it, because i was not able to start xorg server under user for some reason before years.
2022-08-07 17:41:42	Scimmia	so you found a terrible workaround instead of fixing that
2022-08-07 17:41:55	Carbon_Monoxide	susi: Ha! LibreWolf is not in Arch main repo.
2022-08-07 17:42:11	Repentinus	If you need to run X as root, create a system service that starts up X as root. You should not need to though.
2022-08-07 17:42:13	Carbon_Monoxide	Not even community yet.
2022-08-07 17:42:32	MrElendig	SFENCE: user error probably
2022-08-07 17:42:39	MrElendig	or it was half a decade or more since you tried
2022-08-07 17:42:56	MrElendig	rootless X have worked fine for years now
2022-08-07 17:43:39	SFENCE	MrElendig: unexperienced user error probaly. I dod something similar this year for vnc, and I was able to do it. So I will be probably able to fix it now. 
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2022-08-07 17:44:26	deschain	Hi, I had just updated my linux-lts to the latest, system was acting super strange. Downgrading solved my issue, was wondering if anybody else had any problems with it?
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2022-08-07 17:44:58	MrElendig	define super strange
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2022-08-07 17:45:45	deschain	1 GB of RAM was missing, (6.5GB instead of 7.5GB showing), very, very sluggish and slow. I'll try and post some relevant logs, just a second 
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2022-08-07 17:46:02	susi	SFENCE: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/xorg#Rootless_Xorg
2022-08-07 17:46:03	MrElendig	laptop?
2022-08-07 17:46:04	phrik	Title: Xorg - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-08-07 17:46:58	deschain	MrElendig: igp is "stealing" ram, 512 MB of it from a total of 8GB. So that wasn't unexpected 
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2022-08-07 17:57:16	phrik	Title: dpaste/oqLaN (Python) (at dpaste.org)
2022-08-07 17:57:18	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oeRm.r6mzxFpv
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2022-08-07 18:01:09	SFENCE	Looks like everything working well now. Thanks for your help. :)
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2022-08-07 18:06:15	susi	SFENCE: how are you starting your session now?
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2022-08-07 18:06:57	SFENCE	susi: Xorg & sleep 4 && /home/sfence/scripts/fluxbox.sh 
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2022-08-07 18:07:43	MrElendig	why not sx/startx?
2022-08-07 18:07:50	deschain	Another thing I saw before I downgraded the kernel was, 'USCI_GET_PDOS failed (-95)' while trying to log in using a TTY 
2022-08-07 18:08:11	MrElendig	or better, a dm
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2022-08-07 18:10:43	SFENCE	Mrekebdug: What I remember, startx works with gnome/kde, not with fluxbox before meny years. It was the reason I did my script with Xorg command.
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2022-08-07 18:13:06	MrElendig	startx works fine with fluxbox
2022-08-07 18:13:16	MrElendig	and it have done so for 20 years
2022-08-07 18:13:32	susi	any ideas what to do about "EDAC pnd2: Failed to register device with error -22" - it almost always screws the login by appearing on top of it
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2022-08-07 18:14:28	susi	it's a KERN_INFO message
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2022-08-07 18:15:23	SFENCE	MrElendig: Hmmm. I remember testing startx with gnome/kde, which works fine and with fluxbox which caused fluxbox not started (I only installed Xorg server by pacman and fluxbox by pacman), it can be 10 year ago. etc.
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2022-08-07 18:16:43	Booni	Hallloooo
2022-08-07 18:16:45	SFENCE	MrElendig: May be, it was buggy in time I was trying to use arch linux for first time (before, I used debian)
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2022-08-07 18:17:40	Booni	I installed and setting up ZSH - wiki-guide tells to run zsh whcih brings up a settup as normal user,  but I noticed it doesn't do the same when ran as root.  
2022-08-07 18:17:40	Booni	Should I somehow force it to run the ZSH first time setup as root too? Or only do the setup as normal user? 
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2022-08-07 18:18:49	llua	the latter
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2022-08-07 18:23:28	SFENCE	MrElendig: I will try startx again, next poweron/reboot.
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2022-08-07 18:23:53	MrElendig	Booni: if .zshrc exists it won't do the setup
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2022-08-07 18:24:12	MrElendig	it also checks some other file, but can't remember which
2022-08-07 18:24:16	Booni	MrElendig: but it doesn't exist for root cause that's what I checked 
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2022-08-07 18:24:29	Booni	most probably Root user doesn't use the .files in ~
2022-08-07 18:24:36	Booni	but system wide setting
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2022-08-07 18:24:39	susi	do what llua said, they know the best
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2022-08-07 18:24:56	Booni	susi: ?
2022-08-07 18:25:17	susi	I mean, only setup it as a normal user :)
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2022-08-07 18:26:57	Repentinus	Root has its own ~, usually /root. However, depending on how you ran it as root it may have inherited your environment.
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2022-08-07 18:28:36	Booni	Repentinus: yep I knew regarding /root but what I noticed is that in many cases, root doesn't load settings from home directory but from system wide like /etc  unlike a normal user.  In this case I ran zsh doesn't run setup - no settings were set in normal user either to inherit that's why I'm guessing that it's loading settings from maybe /etc or something
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2022-08-07 18:29:06	Booni	but my worry is that if I should leave it as is or force it with the commands to run the setup so I can set the same settings as normal user, or if there is a very good reason why no setup is ran as root
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2022-08-07 18:29:21	MrElendig	Booni: only because you never added root specific configs, so it falls back to the system wide defaults
2022-08-07 18:29:39	Repentinus	^
2022-08-07 18:30:42	MrElendig	it does not mean that you should configure stuff for the root user in /etc
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2022-08-07 18:38:13	deschain	I've reinstalled the newer linux-lts out of curiosity and yes, the problem returned even after redownloading the package. A quick skim through older/newer dmesg messages suggest iwlwifi might be the culprit
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2022-08-07 18:40:59	mefistofeles	deschain: what's the problem?
2022-08-07 18:41:02	mefistofeles	I just joined
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2022-08-07 18:42:18	deschain	When I update to the latest linux-lts, computer starts hanging up massively during boot, can barely start a session in Plasma
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2022-08-07 18:43:25	mefistofeles	deschain: ok, so what do the logs say?
2022-08-07 18:43:33	MrElendig	time to bisect
2022-08-07 18:43:37	deschain	dmesg with the latest kernel: https://dpaste.com/576E2GXWH.txt
2022-08-07 18:44:17	Repentinus	I'd check for changed configuration before bisecting.
2022-08-07 18:44:33	deschain	After downgrade: https://dpaste.com/H9VK8GKXM.txt
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2022-08-07 18:44:53	nk_	also, try booting from mainline linux and see if the issue persists
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2022-08-07 18:45:13	deschain	I don't actually have mainline installed but sure, can give that a try 
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2022-08-07 18:45:52	nk_	any kernel other than lts should work, just to make sure the problem is with the new lts kernel
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2022-08-07 18:48:16	nk_	deschain: anyways, as a last resort you can roll back the update
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2022-08-07 18:48:55	deschain	That's what I've already done, figured I might as well investigate it a bit further, maybe with some help from you guys. Might be worth reporting officially 
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2022-08-07 18:58:18	deschain	Back again - installed mainline kernel, everything seems fine with this kernel as well 
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2022-08-07 19:00:12	WhyNotHugo	When running a qemu VM, how can I limit how much CPU time it can use? I want to avoid it eating up all system resources.
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2022-08-07 19:01:44	MrElendig	a simple way is to reduce the number of vcpus
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2022-08-07 19:03:22	MrElendig	you can also set quotas, etc
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2022-08-07 19:03:49	WhyNotHugo	MrElendig: Is "quota" the actual term? I didn't find anything searchin for "qemu quota".
2022-08-07 19:03:58	WhyNotHugo	(or similar terms)
2022-08-07 19:04:02	MrElendig	easiest to set trough libvirt
2022-08-07 19:04:12	MrElendig	see the libvirt cpu tuning docs
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2022-08-07 20:21:58	asterisms	Running into some issues with PHP PDO, getting `/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.30' not found (required by /usr/lib/postgresql/llvmjit.so)` in my logs, strings claims that symbol exists which is weird to me
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2022-08-07 20:22:42	Scimmia	reboot
2022-08-07 20:24:35	asterisms	I would naively guess that restarting `php-fpm` should do it without needing a reboot, is there something I'm missing?
2022-08-07 20:25:49	Scimmia	You're using the old libc that's in memory instead of the new one on disk
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2022-08-07 20:34:21	asterisms	...right, thanks, much appreciated
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2022-08-07 20:54:43	lolok	you probably could hunt down whats keeping any updated files open using 'lsfd' if it was anything but libc but it is so its not worth the trouble in this case
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2022-08-08 20:36:00	Edu4rdSHL	Question, is mkinitcpio images regeneration relevant on RAM upgrade? I was using a 32G RAM setup here, today I bought +32GB of RAM, the same version, the same type of RAM but things started going weird. 95% of the times the computer fails to boot with "Reboot and Select Proper Boot Device", however, it suddenly works and recognize the 64GB just fine...
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2022-08-08 20:36:27	Edu4rdSHL	My mobo is a Gigabyte B550M and the RAM is show properly there, the problem is when I try to boot the OS
2022-08-08 20:36:33	Edu4rdSHL	is shown*
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2022-08-08 20:37:21	Edu4rdSHL	Right now I'm using the 64GB but I'm sure that rebooting will send me to "Reboot and Select Proper Boot Device" so I was thinking of regenerating the mkinitcpio images but I doubt that it has any effect
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2022-08-08 20:38:59	topcat001	Edu4rdSHL: can you boot the iso reliably? Also is the one-time boot menu coming up properly every time?
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2022-08-08 20:39:33	topcat001	AFAIK initramfs should not change after just a RAM upgrade (despite its name :))
2022-08-08 20:39:42	topcat001	s/should/need/
2022-08-08 20:40:12	topcat001	I upgraded the RAM in my laptop too and nothing was needed.
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2022-08-08 20:41:28	gehidore	Edu4rdSHL sounds like bad ram
2022-08-08 20:41:32	gehidore	or bad / dirty slot
2022-08-08 20:41:38	Edu4rdSHL	topcat001, I'm just recoding the ISO to a USB to test, I also doubt that initramfs requires any change... it's just... weird... as I said sometimes work, sometimes doesn't. 
2022-08-08 20:41:45	gehidore	run memtest for 12+ hours
2022-08-08 20:41:47	solsTiCe	not fitted properly , may be too ?
2022-08-08 20:41:54	Edu4rdSHL	gehidore, but that should throw a mem fail, no?
2022-08-08 20:42:08	gehidore	Edu4rdSHL can throw allllll sorts of issues
2022-08-08 20:42:24	Edu4rdSHL	I can access the BIOS menu without any problem and it shows the 64GB, but when I try to boot the problem appears
2022-08-08 20:42:24	gehidore	everything from bitflips on disk to glitchy display
2022-08-08 20:42:41	Edu4rdSHL	I will try to clean slots, etc
2022-08-08 20:42:46	gehidore	swap the slots the ram is in, reseat it, go back to one stick first and see what happens
2022-08-08 20:43:25	gehidore	memtest is the real test though and no one pass does not indicate success, gotta let her churn for a while
2022-08-08 20:43:39	Edu4rdSHL	Let me do a memtest
2022-08-08 20:43:49	gehidore	was serious about 12+ hours
2022-08-08 20:43:51	Edu4rdSHL	A quick one for now (as I'm working) :p
2022-08-08 20:43:55	Edu4rdSHL	Yeah, I know
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2022-08-08 20:44:11	gehidore	so I'd pull the ram first see if there's any change, dust the slot and contacts and plug it back in if there was improvement
2022-08-08 20:44:23	gehidore	also try swapping the original for the new and running 32 only
2022-08-08 20:44:40	gehidore	see if the issue remains
2022-08-08 20:45:38	topcat001	64 GB multiple full memtest passes should be run for a long time, yes
2022-08-08 20:46:02	Edu4rdSHL	Thank you all for the recommendations, maybe I throw some dust when putting one of the slots because one of them is VERY close to the heatsink and I didn't want to take it all apart because I'm working.
2022-08-08 20:46:18	DeepDayze	canned air is your friend 🙂
2022-08-08 20:46:26	topcat001	typically the laptop CPU runs 100% during these tests so make sure it is raised etc. for cooling.
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2022-08-08 20:46:40	DeepDayze	a quick puff to blow the dust out of the slot and the edge of the memstick
2022-08-08 20:46:53	solsTiCe	"Reboot and Select Proper Boot Device" seems to be a Windows error message. Are you randomly booting windows that can't find the ssd/hdd ?
2022-08-08 20:47:13	Edu4rdSHL	solsTiCe, I don't have Windows, only Linux
2022-08-08 20:47:19	topcat001	some FW also shows the message
2022-08-08 20:47:21	Edu4rdSHL	It's a BIOS error message
2022-08-08 20:47:24	topcat001	y
2022-08-08 20:47:30	solsTiCe	ok
2022-08-08 20:47:52	DeepDayze	sounds like the f/w is complaining about not able to find a boot device
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2022-08-08 20:48:44	solsTiCe	or si booting to fast and ram is not up already ?
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2022-08-08 20:49:43	chowbok	I have an outdated google drive mapping in my "Devices" in the file manager. How do I get rid of it?
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2022-08-08 21:01:04	susi	is this the default standard file manager of Arch?
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2022-08-08 21:02:02	⚡ 	Warepire didn't know Arch had a default / standard file manager
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2022-08-08 21:04:31	chowbok	It appears in both PCmanFM and Thunar.
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2022-08-08 21:17:49	topcat001	*flame* I find mc to be quite adequate on those rare instances :D
2022-08-08 21:19:33	susi	never missed a file manager, ls, cp, mv, echo and such will do
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2022-08-08 21:44:50	zan	i *really* love to mass rename using nvim (from vifm)
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2022-08-08 21:44:47	zan	i *really* love to mass rename using nvim (from vifm)
2022-08-08 21:48:20	frebib	Was it deliberate that KASAN was enabled in linux-lts? I noticed how slow my computer was almost instantly after booting it https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commit/a0df410e7bf1c00d1619a31f5c4fd4c64e00b2fa#diff-6503b30d816e211d1909eed3e1eff5f9105fdc48f5735921a59f4906f99415beR10434
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2022-08-08 21:55:43	chowbok	So no thoughts on how to get rid of this thing?
2022-08-08 21:56:22	teraflops	you cannot right click over it and delete it?
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2022-08-08 21:57:27	chowbok	Nope. I just get "Open" and "Mount"
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2022-08-08 22:02:01	progandy	frebib: no. There was another release/rebuild with some fixes: 5.15.59-2 https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commit/a90598ae7c9085b2b07ff2e3dbddb19e12c5f9e7#diff-6503b30d816e211d1909eed3e1eff5f9105fdc48f5735921a59f4906f99415be
2022-08-08 22:02:24	frebib	progandy: Thanks
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2022-08-09 12:30:18	docmax	can i watch for commands a process does?
2022-08-09 12:30:32	docmax	for example if it runs external batch scripts?
2022-08-09 12:31:17	Edu4rdSHL	docmax, ps -o args -p $PID
2022-08-09 12:31:18	mpan	docmax: if the question is that general no. But you may watch system calls with `strace` and, if the binary is properly compiled, library calls with `ltrace`. 
2022-08-09 12:31:41	mpan	docmax: otherwise auditd may also be of interest to you, depending on the actual needs/goals.
2022-08-09 12:31:49	Edu4rdSHL	pstree too
2022-08-09 13:15:22	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-08-09 13:22:01	ugga-the-caveman	ahoi! i try to create a match block in sshd_config. I want to allow a specific user only from a specific subnet. I found this line in the internets, but its not working. Match User username Address 10.0.2.0/24
2022-08-09 13:23:02	susi	I don't see "Address" field in sshd_config man
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2022-08-09 13:24:08	ugga-the-caveman	mh i changed it to match for Address * now its doing something
2022-08-09 13:24:13	jelle	susi: not relevant
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2022-08-09 13:24:26	jelle	susi: see the Match section
2022-08-09 13:25:37	susi	true
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2022-08-09 13:27:26	ugga-the-caveman	mhh it seems that something with my network is wrong
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2022-08-09 17:02:57	hiya	What is System service scripts directory for Arch?
2022-08-09 17:10:12	solsTiCe	`/etc/systmed/system`
2022-08-09 17:10:18	solsTiCe	typo
2022-08-09 17:11:23	another|	does someone know which part of systemd mounts /tmp ?
2022-08-09 17:12:24	wunit	another|: I'd guess /usr/lib/systemd/system/tmp.mount
2022-08-09 17:12:44	wunit	what's the real question/issue, though?
2022-08-09 17:13:11	another|	bingo. thanks
2022-08-09 17:13:17	mefistofeles	!xyproblem
2022-08-09 17:13:17	phrik	Tell us what you're REALLY trying to do. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
2022-08-09 17:13:36	another|	that was the whole questin
2022-08-09 17:13:41	mefistofeles	ok
2022-08-09 17:13:44	mefistofeles	!next
2022-08-09 17:13:44	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-08-09 17:14:24	wunit	pure, innocent, random curiosity  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-08-09 17:14:57	another|	not just, but that's enough info. I'll take it from there
2022-08-09 17:15:11	dD__	Hi, I added a tiling window manager for KDE (bismuth), and I've been trying to disable it, but I can't.  Whenever I turn it off from the tiling settings, my KDE still tiles.  It's no longer enabled, and I've tried logging out and logging back in, rebooting, enabling it and disabling it yet it still tiles. 
2022-08-09 17:15:33	Scimmia	and when that file gets overwritten and whatever it is you're actually trying to do stop working, another|?
2022-08-09 17:15:53	mefistofeles	dD__: what do you mean when you say "it still tiles" exactly?
2022-08-09 17:16:01	mefistofeles	dD__: because plasma has tiling capabilities by default
2022-08-09 17:16:20	another|	Scimmia: You're making way too many assumptions
2022-08-09 17:16:33	mefistofeles	I said !next !!
2022-08-09 17:19:24	dD__	mefistofeles: So, if I have an app open at full screen and have another one behind it, if I click the task bar, the app below it won't show unless I minimize.  If I don't have one at full screen and open, let's say, terminal windows, then they'll tile in a pattern that KDE didn't use before (half of the screen for a single window the other half for the rest of the windows)
2022-08-09 17:20:41	mefistofeles	dD__: hmm that's weird, I have bismuth and I cannot reproduce the issue, when I disable it, it works as expected
2022-08-09 17:22:52	mefistofeles	dD__: did you try completely uninstalling the extension ?
2022-08-09 17:22:56	mefistofeles	just to see
2022-08-09 17:23:02	dD__	no
2022-08-09 17:23:06	dD__	but i'll try it, one sec
2022-08-09 17:30:38	dD__	um, didn't work 
2022-08-09 17:31:29	mefistofeles	hmm, I don't know what else to suggest :/
2022-08-09 17:31:34	mefistofeles	maybe try #kde
2022-08-09 17:31:57	dD__	do you know if there is a way to check if I have another wm active? Maybe I accidentally installed another before? 
2022-08-09 17:37:21	DarkFeather	dD__: you could look for X sessions in `ps -fe` or just in general going through `systemctl status` to make sure you recognize everything running.
2022-08-09 17:46:29	dD__	seems pretty standard: /usr/lib/Xorg -nolisten tcp -background none -seat seat0 vt1 -auth /var/run/sddm/{*identifier*} -noreset -displayfd 17f
2022-08-09 17:56:43	chuck_	Hello guys, why every single nerd font that is set in .Xresources looks like this ? https://i.ibb.co/C7ngGQ5/fonts.jpg
2022-08-09 17:57:28	chuck_	What is wrong, please help me :p im using Arch i3-wm and nerd-fonts:  /usr/share/fonts/nerd-fonts-complete
2022-08-09 18:13:54	chuck_	:q
2022-08-09 18:28:30	chuck_	:p
2022-08-09 18:29:02	kevr	chuck_: have you xrdb merged the .Xresources?
2022-08-09 18:30:44	chuck_	kevr: yes i did sir
2022-08-09 18:31:24	chuck_	The only font that works for me right now is: Consolas
2022-08-09 18:31:52	chuck_	But i need to nerd fonts to work becouse i need some glyph icons in my nvim :p
2022-08-09 18:34:11	kevr	You could perhaps try: removing your letterSpace configuration, see what happens, and trying out different types of sizes for your font; some fonts display more properly when using the pixelsize= setting as opposed to size=
2022-08-09 18:35:45	kevr	also, some fonts just display better when using particular types of sizes. for example, Consolas. It ends up looking a lot different through the X render between an even and odd font size from its minimum to maximum.
2022-08-09 18:36:11	kevr	these are things i would try off the bat to see if you can actually get it looking better.
2022-08-09 18:37:37	chuck_	kevr: i think i messing up the font name at: URxvt*font: blah blah blah
2022-08-09 18:37:39	kevr	Keep in mind that you are also renamking the terminal; urxvt itself comes with some terminfo, I'm not exactly sure how that termName setting affects that.
2022-08-09 18:37:54	kevr	yeah, i would look there first, it does look a bit crazy
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2022-08-09 18:38:24	chuck_	becouse i copied and paste this: FuraCode Nerd Font  from another .Xresources and worked, and i don't even know when i installed that font :p 
2022-08-09 18:39:06	kevr	You can use fc-list to find the exact names of fonts compatible in there, and not all fonts are meant to be rendered via xft:
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2022-08-09 18:39:26	chuck_	Oh!, will check that
2022-08-09 18:39:43	kevr	even more-so, if you haven't yet, you might need to run fc-cache to sync up the fonts you now have with what is running, so that you can actually use them.
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2022-08-09 18:40:15	chuck_	Oops! ok
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2022-08-09 18:40:24	chuck_	Done!
2022-08-09 18:40:27	chuck_	wait a minute
2022-08-09 18:40:28	kevr	these steps also require that you start up a new terminal before they take affect
2022-08-09 18:40:37	chuck_	I do that, yup
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2022-08-09 18:40:54	chuck_	How to know if a font is xft renderable ? :p
2022-08-09 18:41:11	kevr	let's see. i have not looked this deep in the past.
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2022-08-09 18:42:47	kevr	chuck_: can you supply a paste of your fc-list output? In a pastebin service, not pasted directly into the channel
2022-08-09 18:43:03	chuck_	Yup i can
2022-08-09 18:43:37	chuck_	You know what tho ? i'm starting to render more fonts properly with your help, still cannot get glyph icons in my nvim tho :'( 
2022-08-09 18:43:41	chuck_	!paste
2022-08-09 18:43:41	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-08-09 18:44:01	kevr	Nice, that's a good start.
2022-08-09 18:44:45	chuck_	kevr: http://ix.io/476K
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2022-08-09 18:47:00	kevr	okay, so these nerd fonts are definitely xft compat, so you're not doing the wrong thing there. However, I think you may have selected an incorrect font line used in your .Xresources.
2022-08-09 18:47:04	kevr	in addition,
2022-08-09 18:47:12	kevr	there are multiple packages that nerd-fonts refers to. which did you install?
2022-08-09 18:47:56	kevr	they should both include symbols, but there are two different packages: `1) ttf-nerd-fonts-symbols  2) ttf-nerd-fonts-symbols-mon`
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2022-08-09 18:48:28	kevr	these packages give you a plethora of different Nerd Fonts, you may need to combine them into primary/fallback if you want multiple of them used
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2022-08-09 18:49:50	kevr	`fc-list | grep 'nerd-fonts-complete'` will give you a complete list of all of the font faces supplied by those packages
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2022-08-09 18:50:29	kevr	(that's for the ttf-nerd-fonts-symbols-mono package, in particular)
2022-08-09 18:50:55	astralc	I think you set the wrong name accroding to fc-list
2022-08-09 18:51:34	astralc	shouldn't it be "iMWritingMonoS Nerd Font Mono:style=Regular"?
2022-08-09 18:52:30	kevr	in fact, you have a ton more nerd fonts than i find on my fc-list after installing one of those packages.
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2022-08-09 18:52:53	kevr	what astralc said seems like its more on-track.
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2022-08-09 18:55:48	kevr	it looks that you ended up using the verbose .ttf filename, but the font face name is actually different; it's what comes after the [...].ttf: in fc-list.
2022-08-09 18:56:32	bug2000	An odd issue I have recently. when I try to open links from hexchat, it takes a lot of time until a new tab is created in my firefox and hexchat looks like it hangs up while it happens.
2022-08-09 18:56:38	bug2000	firefox is already running at the time.
2022-08-09 18:56:59	chuck_	Yes
2022-08-09 18:57:05	chuck_	my terminal now it's bugged :D cannot do anything xD
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2022-08-09 19:00:24	kevr	tip: when you have a working font, keep the terminal alive that has that font being used, so you can still edit things in there and don't run into that situation.
2022-08-09 19:00:49	kevr	when you're sure that your newly spawned terminals are as expected, then you can ditch out on the old one.
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2022-08-09 19:02:25	chuck_	Yo! solved it, but i have no nerd fonts to use :D as i uninstalled them all to install the symbol package which bugged the terminal :p
2022-08-09 19:02:26	chuck_	Ok :p
2022-08-09 19:02:40	kevr	lol
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2022-08-09 19:03:43	kevr	i think you get the route to go now, just selecting the correct font face from fc-list you actually want.
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2022-08-09 19:04:50	chuck_	Ye... imma try to install them complete 2Gbs of nerd fonts again and keep testing'em
2022-08-09 19:04:52	◣	aeris (~aeris@user/aeris) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-08-09 19:04:53	chuck_	Thanks!!!
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2022-08-09 19:05:22	kevr	+1, good luck, you got it
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2022-08-09 19:05:35	chuck_	:)
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2022-08-09 19:08:53	chuck_	!next
2022-08-09 19:08:53	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-08-09 19:08:55	chuck_	xD
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2022-08-09 20:35:53	alad	kevr is alive?
2022-08-09 20:35:55	alad	:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
2022-08-09 20:38:22	kevr	i am, in fact, not dead
2022-08-09 20:39:17	alad	nice
2022-08-09 20:39:31	mefistofeles	!give kevr welcomerpg
2022-08-09 20:39:31	phrik	kevr: Greetings, observer of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get borked on this day?
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2022-08-09 20:39:52	kevr	lol
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2022-08-09 20:41:51	astralc	is there some like "it's dangerous to go alone, take this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/"?
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2022-08-09 20:45:27	alad	see /topic
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2022-08-09 20:45:48	teraflops	!gl
2022-08-09 20:45:49	phrik	Good luck!
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2022-08-10 17:24:23	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-08-10 17:24:23	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1454 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1454 normals)
2022-08-10 17:24:23	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-08-10 17:26:29	ℹ 	cvmn es conocido ahora como caveman
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2022-08-10 17:34:54	roxlu	Hi, I've just spent quite a bit of time trying to figure out why my serial device wasn't sending any bytes back to my PC. I wasn't able to read any data in my (C-based) app. I created a test in bash where I directly sent data to /dev/ttyUSB1 (ftdi) and with python too. In both cases I ran into the same issue. Then I did a reboot and everything was working great again. 
2022-08-10 17:35:39	roxlu	Does someone have an idea what might have gone wrong? Why would a reset fix the issue? I did reconnect my device several times; (ofc I made sure it was mapped to the correct /dev/tty*).
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2022-08-10 17:43:57	ℹ 	tam1m_ es conocido ahora como tam1m
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2022-08-10 18:00:44	phrik	Title: install arch on usb at DuckDuckGo (at duckduckgo.com)
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2022-08-10 18:01:11	ℹ 	tam1m_ es conocido ahora como tam1m
2022-08-10 18:02:17	Vorpal	h4rd3n3d: I forgot what search term I used, but I ended up on the page on how to put the ISO on a USB stick
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2022-08-10 18:05:24	phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux on a removable medium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-08-10 18:14:37	Vorpal	any idea what could be wrong with an old (BIOS based) laptop that just hangs indefinitely on shutdown? Any sort of way to enable systemd to print out what it is doing as it shuts down maybe so I can see where it hangs?
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2022-08-10 18:15:16	Edu4rdSHL	Removing the quiet parameter from the boot options could help to see a bit more, iirc
2022-08-10 18:15:26	Vorpal	ah, thanks forgot about that
2022-08-10 18:15:28	Vorpal	will try
2022-08-10 18:15:36	mingdao	How do you shut it down?
2022-08-10 18:15:51	Vorpal	I tried shutdown -h now and also from xfce. same result
2022-08-10 18:15:58	Vorpal	black screen and hang
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2022-08-10 18:16:24	mingdao	Have you removed the battery then put it back and tried `shutdown -h now` again?
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2022-08-10 18:16:51	Vorpal	I think it hung quit late, as I don't see anything about repairing the root file system after rebooting
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2022-08-10 18:16:58	mingdao	I'm not a Xfce user, but perhaps you have to logout from it first.
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2022-08-10 18:17:09	Vorpal	so it presumably hung after unmounting or remounting / as ro
2022-08-10 18:17:18	Vorpal	however that works
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2022-08-10 18:17:48	Vorpal	mingdao: nor am I, but this thing is anemic, so I don't see any other good options. It definitely won't run modern KDE
2022-08-10 18:17:58	Vorpal	which is what I normally use
2022-08-10 18:18:12	mingdao	Does `journalctl -b -1` have anything at the end?
2022-08-10 18:18:36	mingdao	Did you remove the battery?
2022-08-10 18:18:38	Vorpal	not anything interesting no
2022-08-10 18:18:48	Vorpal	also I need to get the screwdrivers for that
2022-08-10 18:18:57	Vorpal	it is an old ultrabook, non-removable battery
2022-08-10 18:19:23	mingdao	There is some 'feature' that I encountered on some user's laptop dual booting with Windows, where Windows had to be logged in and then shutdown properly; though atm I can't remember what that affected.
2022-08-10 18:19:41	Vorpal	it has lots of issues under linux. I'm using it as a project to figure out reverse engineering and linux kernel development
2022-08-10 18:19:52	mingdao	IDK ultrabook; but does the battery have a ribbon cable to the mobo?
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2022-08-10 18:20:00	Vorpal	mingdao: haven't opened it
2022-08-10 18:20:18	Vorpal	for example, after a suspend/resume cycle screen brighness controls stop working under linux
2022-08-10 18:20:27	mingdao	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrabook ?
2022-08-10 18:20:27	phrik	Title: Ultrabook - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2022-08-10 18:20:42	Vorpal	yes, it is a Toshiba "ultrabook"
2022-08-10 18:20:43	Vorpal	from 2011
2022-08-10 18:21:17	mingdao	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ultrabook_models
2022-08-10 18:21:18	phrik	Title: List of Ultrabook models - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2022-08-10 18:21:19	Vorpal	there is 0 reason for me to care about it, except that I want to learn about how to do reverse engineering (of the windows drivers) and to write linux kernel code
2022-08-10 18:21:37	Vorpal	it is a Z830-10W
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2022-08-10 18:21:45	Vorpal	not in that list
2022-08-10 18:21:57	Vorpal	the Z830 there has a different CPU (an i3) while mine has an i5
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2022-08-10 18:22:13	Vorpal	oh it mentions that, read on the wrong line
2022-08-10 18:22:58	mingdao	When working on laptops brought to my shop, the most disconcerting ones were those built for sale at Walmart; where you have to disclose your costs and they only pay your 10% over.
2022-08-10 18:23:16	Vorpal	though in this market it is known as a Toshiba Satellite, not a Portege
2022-08-10 18:23:49	Vorpal	heh
2022-08-10 18:23:50	mingdao	So companies such as HP make laptops which are not on the HP website anywhere, and have extremely cheap hardware.  A lot of that type have devices w/out Linux drivers.
2022-08-10 18:23:59	mingdao	They're trash trophies.
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2022-08-10 18:26:04	mingdao	Toshiba didn't think enough of it to list it.
2022-08-10 18:26:24	Vorpal	interesting
2022-08-10 18:26:46	Vorpal	anyway the windows driver page for this thing is no longer online, and toshiba no longer makes laptops at all
2022-08-10 18:26:53	Vorpal	so I doubt that is the reason
2022-08-10 18:27:00	Vorpal	it is just too old
2022-08-10 18:27:10	DeepDayze	Toshiba laptops are very quirky machines
2022-08-10 18:27:17	Vorpal	I have noticed!
2022-08-10 18:27:32	mingdao	If you really want to do Linux kernel development on it, for whatever reason IDK, you're going to need more than, but for sure, those screwdrivers.  ;)
2022-08-10 18:27:32	Vorpal	I figured out one missing ACPI call so far
2022-08-10 18:27:32	DeepDayze	They aren't really Linux friendly devices
2022-08-10 18:28:28	DeepDayze	People have fought to get Linux working on those Toshibas
2022-08-10 18:28:43	Vorpal	DeepDayze: so far I have noticed a couple of missing/misdetected features from the toshiba_acpi linux kernel module, and two bugs (not shutting down properly, and screen brightness control stopping working)
2022-08-10 18:28:46	Vorpal	so I agree
2022-08-10 18:28:57	mingdao	https://www.walmart.com/ip/Synergy-Digital-Laptop-Battery-Compatible-Toshiba-Portege-Z830-Ultrabook-Laptop-Li-Pol-14-8V-3000mAh-Ultra-High-Capacity-Replacement-PA5013U-1BRS-Bat/828316283
2022-08-10 18:28:58	phrik	Title: Synergy Digital Laptop Battery, Compatible with Toshiba Portege Z830 Ultrabook Laptop, (Li-Pol, 14.8V, 3000mAh) Ultra High Capacity, Replacement for Toshiba PA5013U-1BRS Battery - Walmart.com (at www.walmart.com)
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2022-08-10 18:29:38	mingdao	That has a ribbon cable and screws to mount it.  And, if yours is one of those Walmart models, you're in for a rough ride.
2022-08-10 18:29:45	DeepDayze	Vorpal: perhaps bug reports filed on those?
2022-08-10 18:29:47	Vorpal	anyway I guess you want to try to reset the bios state by disconnecting batteries?
2022-08-10 18:29:50	Vorpal	mingdao: ^
2022-08-10 18:30:02	mingdao	Amongst other things, yes.
2022-08-10 18:30:09	DeepDayze	Never buy a laptop at Walmart LOL
2022-08-10 18:30:10	mingdao	That Windows quirk, iirc.
2022-08-10 18:30:16	mingdao	DeepDayze: syn ack
2022-08-10 18:30:26	mingdao	Or anything with my money.  ;)
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2022-08-10 18:30:41	Vorpal	some of my thinkpads have a hole on the underside for a paper clip reset, this doesn't as far as I can see
2022-08-10 18:30:44	DeepDayze	If you do, plan to use it as a test machine
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2022-08-10 18:30:56	mingdao	Vorpal: I have 3 ThinkPads and they're great.
2022-08-10 18:31:09	mingdao	T61, T420, and a P50
2022-08-10 18:31:11	Vorpal	mingdao: same, if I include my work issued thinkpad too
2022-08-10 18:31:15	DeepDayze	Thinkpads are better to work with and I have an old T42 still working
2022-08-10 18:31:18	Vorpal	R500, T480 and a P15 Gen1
2022-08-10 18:31:33	Vorpal	DeepDayze: I do plan to use it as a test/learning experience machine
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2022-08-10 18:31:50	Vorpal	mingdao: for what it's worth, windows 7 shuts down properly
2022-08-10 18:31:52	DeepDayze	cool...those cheap laptops may be a fun experience Vorpal 
2022-08-10 18:31:57	mingdao	The P50 is my work issued.  We can get a new laptop every 2 years, but all they offered were HP Zbooks, and I wouldn't give that to an enemy.
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2022-08-10 18:32:12	DeepDayze	HP machines aren't too shabby
2022-08-10 18:32:25	DeepDayze	except those real low end ones like Compaq
2022-08-10 18:32:25	mingdao	This year I found out that since I'm an engineer, I can get a MBP.  So they just spend over $3,500 USD on one for me.
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2022-08-10 18:32:59	DeepDayze	My HP 8460p is still going strong after 12 years
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2022-08-10 18:34:07	DeepDayze	Got 3 distros running on it in sweet synchrony 🙂
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2022-08-10 18:36:18	Vorpal	fucking one secutity torx under a rubber foot
2022-08-10 18:36:24	Vorpal	everything else was philips
2022-08-10 18:37:23	DeepDayze	I hate those torx screws so I bought a torx bit set for the handle I have
2022-08-10 18:37:24	Vorpal	mingdao: my smallest security torx is too big unfortunately
2022-08-10 18:37:46	Vorpal	I have torx small enough and I have security torx, but not a security torx small enough
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2022-08-10 18:38:24	DeepDayze	my set has a real tiny one as one HP lappy at work  had needed it
2022-08-10 18:38:27	ℹ 	afoo es conocido ahora como avu
2022-08-10 18:38:36	mingdao	I have a special set for my Dell XPS 9500.
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2022-08-10 18:39:03	DeepDayze	some hp's have the screws hidden under rubber strips that needed to be removed first
2022-08-10 18:39:50	mingdao	s/Dell XPS 9500/Dell XPS 15 9530
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2022-08-10 18:41:06	DeepDayze	dells have their own quirks
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2022-08-10 18:42:06	mingdao	That Dell is the nicest laptop I've ever owned.
2022-08-10 18:42:30	mingdao	I like it better than my new MBP.
2022-08-10 18:42:35	DeepDayze	I had one of those Dell M4800's which is like a slab
2022-08-10 18:42:38	Vorpal	well, I can't take it apart today at least
2022-08-10 18:42:56	Vorpal	lots of screws, no plastic clips at least
2022-08-10 18:42:58	mingdao	Had one of those at work and like it, also.
2022-08-10 18:43:09	DeepDayze	nice heavy machine with a big screen..that was my old work machine
2022-08-10 18:43:12	Vorpal	but F- for the security T7 in the middle of the bottom
2022-08-10 18:43:26	DeepDayze	Tempted to buy one for my own use
2022-08-10 18:43:39	mingdao	The Precision M4800 workstation was a tank; weighed as much, too.
2022-08-10 18:43:40	DeepDayze	M4800s make great Linux stations
2022-08-10 18:43:40	Vorpal	I prefer thinkpads. I love the trackpoint
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2022-08-10 18:43:57	DeepDayze	lol true, that 4800 was heavy in my backpack
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2022-08-10 18:44:22	mingdao	I left my on a docking station at work.  Would use the Dell XPS 15 9530 for everything portable.
2022-08-10 18:44:26	Vorpal	my P15 Gen1 (17") is also quite heavy to lug around
2022-08-10 18:44:38	mingdao	Like the touchsceen on the Dell, also.
2022-08-10 18:44:53	DeepDayze	Dells have a nice line of laptops
2022-08-10 18:45:01	DeepDayze	also I liked some of their desktops too
2022-08-10 18:45:06	Vorpal	mingdao: why? both my T480 and my P15 have touch screens but I almost never use that
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2022-08-10 18:45:32	Vorpal	it is just awkward if you work at a desk with an external monitor plugged in as I do 99.9% of the time
2022-08-10 18:46:12	Vorpal	DeepDayze: dell has the worst built desktops. Non-standard power connectors on the motherboard, non-standard form factors, ...
2022-08-10 18:46:31	DeepDayze	true that, but they also are quirky
2022-08-10 18:46:40	Vorpal	that is not a good thing?
2022-08-10 18:47:00	DeepDayze	if you need to swap parts you do need to go to Dell as standard parts won't fit
2022-08-10 18:47:10	DeepDayze	such as PSU or motherboards
2022-08-10 18:47:34	DeepDayze	But most do take ordinary ram or video cards
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2022-08-10 18:48:23	DeepDayze	had a board die in a friend's dell desktop...so found another mobo on ebay for it
2022-08-10 18:48:44	Vorpal	oh wow I figured out how the batter control for this toshiba works on windows. Terrible design! There is a DLL with two pair of getter/setter routines for battery charge control, one for the BIOS and one for saving/storing to the registry. I noticed that the GUI settings app was only messing with the GUI registry one. I figured they used a service to read that or something. Nope! It is the tray
2022-08-10 18:48:45	Vorpal	icon exe that does that
2022-08-10 18:48:49	Vorpal	battery*
2022-08-10 18:48:58	DeepDayze	used the dell utility (I got that from a tech at work) to set its tag and everything
2022-08-10 18:49:49	DeepDayze	yeah there's always an oddball thing with those Vorpal
2022-08-10 18:50:00	Vorpal	also I have this old HP Probook (2010-ish) that wants you to log in with your windows account into the BIOS. Super weird
2022-08-10 18:50:21	DeepDayze	jeesh lol
2022-08-10 18:50:24	Vorpal	it also has a feature to open Word and Excel documents from a boot menu without booting windows
2022-08-10 18:50:27	Vorpal	can't get that to work
2022-08-10 18:50:29	Vorpal	thankfully
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2022-08-10 18:50:51	DeepDayze	Wish you could swap that with a mini linux system to open LO 🙂
2022-08-10 18:51:13	Vorpal	"LO <missing glyph box>"?
2022-08-10 18:51:25	DeepDayze	Libreoffice
2022-08-10 18:51:32	Vorpal	ah
2022-08-10 18:51:49	Vorpal	I think it can browse the web from BIOS too
2022-08-10 18:51:59	Vorpal	again can't get that to work
2022-08-10 18:52:10	DeepDayze	yeah if you needed a driver or something that be good
2022-08-10 18:52:12	Vorpal	probably because it has been upgraded from the original windows 7 to windows 10
2022-08-10 18:52:24	Vorpal	so that likely messed up that support however it worked
2022-08-10 18:52:29	DeepDayze	that bios must been designed to work with only Win7
2022-08-10 18:52:35	Vorpal	most likely
2022-08-10 18:52:50	DeepDayze	Coreboot should do that
2022-08-10 18:53:38	Vorpal	the only reason to keep that HP around would be that it has a Blueray device built in
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2022-08-10 19:03:20	cedb	predicament: honnestly man, just debian
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2022-08-10 19:14:34	cedb	the debian comment was serious
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2022-08-10 19:20:19	DeepDayze	haha...some arch users also use debian 🙂
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2022-08-10 19:21:05	DeepDayze	some archers like to poke fun at debian...and vice versa
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2022-08-10 19:23:23	Edu4rdSHL	I have Arch as my main OS but I do have containers of ~4 different distros for different tasks
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2022-08-10 19:26:54	Vorpal	I use debian on my VPS, and raspbian on my raspberry pi
2022-08-10 19:27:29	DeepDayze	nice
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2022-08-10 19:27:57	DeepDayze	for a VPS debian is great. Arch is another OS that some VPS hosters offer too
2022-08-10 19:28:01	ℹ 	tam1m_ es conocido ahora como tam1m
2022-08-10 19:28:10	MrElendig	Vorpal: raspbian is dead so you should consider moving away from it
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2022-08-10 19:28:38	MrElendig	DeepDayze: until you need up to date podman or whatever
2022-08-10 19:28:45	Vorpal	MrElendig: is it? Hm okay, what runs well on a raspberry pi 2?
2022-08-10 19:28:49	Vorpal	that is headless
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2022-08-10 19:29:04	MrElendig	Vorpal: renamed/forked into raspberry pi OS
2022-08-10 19:29:12	DeepDayze	podman in debian isn't up to date yet sadly
2022-08-10 19:29:17	MrElendig	with partially new management
2022-08-10 19:29:33	Vorpal	MrElendig: ah, that is probably what I run then, since I did update it to the most recent version after the new debian whatever came out
2022-08-10 19:29:33	cedb	> "" in debian up to date
2022-08-10 19:29:41	DeepDayze	arch seems to have the newest one
2022-08-10 19:29:51	Vorpal	11 apparently
2022-08-10 19:29:51	DeepDayze	unless I am wrong
2022-08-10 19:29:56	cedb	i just think people that look utterly lost here should be recommended vanilla debian
2022-08-10 19:30:01	Vorpal	though /etc/os-release still says raspbian
2022-08-10 19:30:03	MrElendig	fedora had a newer podman than arch for a while (by not anymore)
2022-08-10 19:30:16	MrElendig	Vorpal: might need to update the repos
2022-08-10 19:30:17	DeepDayze	arch on a pi sounds adventurous
2022-08-10 19:30:20	Vorpal	ah
2022-08-10 19:30:32	MrElendig	DeepDayze: works fine
2022-08-10 19:30:36	cedb	which isnt a sentiment youd find by just lurking, with all the little poking at debian on #arch
2022-08-10 19:30:43	MrElendig	DeepDayze: archlinux arm that is (not to be confused with arch)
2022-08-10 19:30:55	DeepDayze	rasparch sounds like a good name for a pi based arch
2022-08-10 19:31:03	MrElendig	!give DeepDayze alarm
2022-08-10 19:31:04	phrik	DeepDayze: If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
2022-08-10 19:31:29	DeepDayze	I am thinking of getting a pi to play with...will check out that arm channel
2022-08-10 19:31:54	cedb	sheesh get a real microcontroller board
2022-08-10 19:32:00	cedb	ti ftw
2022-08-10 19:32:06	Vorpal	MrElendig: thanks for the heads up
2022-08-10 19:32:25	MrElendig	DeepDayze: good luck buying one (except the pi400)
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2022-08-10 19:32:47	DeepDayze	ebay may have them
2022-08-10 19:32:55	MrElendig	yea, at 3x normal price
2022-08-10 19:32:56	DeepDayze	albeit used
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2022-08-10 19:33:12	MrElendig	assuming you don't just get a brick instead
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2022-08-10 19:33:29	MrElendig	or a fake one
2022-08-10 19:33:31	Vorpal	is that still an issue?
2022-08-10 19:33:38	MrElendig	(lots of fake ones on ebay)
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2022-08-10 19:33:49	ℹ 	banned es conocido ahora como Guest5108
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2022-08-10 19:34:19	MrElendig	if you can actually manage to buy one, you can flip it on ebay in a day for 3x the msrp :p
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2022-08-10 19:35:10	MrElendig	hm, have come down a bit now, there are some being sold unused for 130€
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2022-08-10 19:35:23	MrElendig	so only 2x! what a steal
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2022-08-10 19:40:43	jayray	generic annoyance.. using lxdm-xfce4 multimonitor setup done with xorg.conf - on logout the primary monitor goes back to lxdm logon screen like it should, but the rest of the monitors still show the last users desktop - like no wipe was done on those screens on close
2022-08-10 19:41:13	jayray	maybe the simple fix is to figure out how to put the background for lxdm across all monitors
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2022-08-10 19:42:07	jmcantrell	I've got an archiso virtualbox vm running. I added MulticastDNS=yes to the systemd network files, restarted systemd-networkd.{service,socket}. I can resolve archiso.local from the archiso, but can't anywhere else. The host system does have a firewall, but it's open to mdns, and it works for other systems. I can reach the vm by ip, but not the *.local address. Anyone have an idea what else I can
2022-08-10 19:42:07	jmcantrell	check?
2022-08-10 19:43:16	MrElendig	jayray: one hack if the monitors are the same resolution is to clone the displays when lxdm is on
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2022-08-10 19:43:25	transhumanist	Hi! trying arch for first time. Question on running the installer. I want to setup btrfs root file system. I realize that /boot can not be on a btrfs file system , and the default installer suggests a layout with 1 boot partition and 1 partition (presumably for installion of / ) I would like to split the / parition into 2 paritions 50% for home and 50% for root. Would I be better setting up two
2022-08-10 19:43:25	transhumanist	sub volumes one for / and 
2022-08-10 19:43:25	transhumanist	one for home or should I make the two of them seperately (and I have an installer followup question) . Thanks
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2022-08-10 19:43:38	MrElendig	other than that, check the lxdm bug tracker, iirc there is an issue about this
2022-08-10 19:43:40	MrElendig	(or use gdm)
2022-08-10 19:44:01	MrElendig	transhumanist: /boot can in fact be on btrfs in many cases
2022-08-10 19:44:16	transhumanist	well in my case I am compressing it
2022-08-10 19:44:32	jayray	MrElendig: all but one are the same resolution :< and when I add a 4k monitor to the mix will be more complicated
2022-08-10 19:44:42	MrElendig	personally I just stuff the kernel on the esp instead though
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2022-08-10 19:45:31	transhumanist	on the efi parition, hmm never done that
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2022-08-10 19:45:35	MrElendig	jayray: imo, just use gdm instead, its is much more robust
2022-08-10 19:45:41	MrElendig	though less configurable
2022-08-10 19:45:53	jayray	cant do custom backgrounds ? :<
2022-08-10 19:46:01	MrElendig	it can
2022-08-10 19:46:10	MrElendig	also bonus point: it can run rootless
2022-08-10 19:46:33	jayray	ok. ez enough.. I did lxdm because it was better than... whatever I have been using for 15 years
2022-08-10 19:46:52	transhumanist	ah like off a storage unit?
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2022-08-10 19:47:41	MrElendig	jayray: https://github.com/realmazharhussain/gdm-settings
2022-08-10 19:47:43	DeepDayze	h4rd3n3d, thanks for the tip
2022-08-10 19:47:49	transhumanist	unfortunately I dont have one of those...lol
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2022-08-10 19:48:21	MrElendig	jayray: personally I like the blurred desktop image
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2022-08-10 19:49:54	jayray	dang.. thats 200mb of install to get on greeter :|
2022-08-10 19:50:01	transhumanist	MrElendig: any suggestion should I use two subvolumes or 2 seperate partitions for / and home? That is what is considered the gold standard?
2022-08-10 19:50:42	MrElendig	transhumanist: depends on needs, if you want to do snapshotting then you most likely want more subvolumes
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2022-08-10 19:50:52	transhumanist	ok good enough thanks
2022-08-10 19:50:57	MrElendig	(seperate one for logs and possibly the pacman cache at least)
2022-08-10 19:51:28	MrElendig	snapper page on the wiki have a not too horrible suggestion
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2022-08-10 19:53:52	transhumanist	also I note , at least personally the installer is a little confusing as far as  the partitioning type, start, and size , that is do they mean that I have to calculate the offset for start  or do they start this count after the end of the first layed out partition?
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2022-08-10 19:55:45	MrElendig	transhumanist: protip: don't use archinstall, do it maunually instead
2022-08-10 19:56:07	MrElendig	and use cgdisk instead of the horrible parted
2022-08-10 19:56:09	transhumanist	I understand, was hoping to be a little lazy about it all
2022-08-10 19:56:21	transhumanist	ok thanks
2022-08-10 19:56:38	MrElendig	if you use any sane partition tool then you don't have to calculate the size yourself, you can simply go "200G"
2022-08-10 19:57:05	transhumanist	I suppose I can even lay out the partition with cgdisk and then restart the installer
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2022-08-10 19:58:26	MrElendig	as for the start point, just press enter
2022-08-10 19:58:48	transhumanist	wishing I had 30k to afford all the nice things that come with network booting from sans, thanks for the tips
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2022-08-10 20:00:02	MrElendig	if its a nvme drive, you might want to check if it can be set to  either 512 or 4k mode, and possibly change it over to 4k
2022-08-10 20:00:30	transhumanist	thanks , dont have those either
2022-08-10 20:01:12	transhumanist	would that also be an SSD suggestion too by chance?
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2022-08-10 20:08:14	MrElendig	some ssds can be switched, but it often requires a windows only tool
2022-08-10 20:08:22	MrElendig	sata ssd*
2022-08-10 20:08:43	MrElendig	it doesn't matter quite as much for a sata ssd anyway though
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2022-08-10 20:09:54	transhumanist	ok good enough, thanks
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2022-08-10 20:52:24	Vorpal	I actually like gparted (the GUI tool) for partitioning. Which means I boot something else than the arch install USB drive first that has a GUI to partition, then go back to arch install
2022-08-10 20:52:33	Vorpal	never tried cgdisk though
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2022-08-10 20:58:41	⚡ 	MrElendig finds cgdisk to be easier than gparted
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2022-08-10 21:09:10	Vorpal	seems sensible enough after trying it on a USB stick. seems more clunky, but that is likely just about getting used to it
2022-08-10 21:11:01	⚡ 	jocke-l have always used fdisk
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2022-08-10 21:15:08	jocke-l	I know that gdisk is for GPT and fdisk is for MBR. But I've installed archlinux like twice in 10 years. The first time with MBR (I bricked a laptop twice due to a firmware error when using UEFI, so the PTSD was still present) and the second time with GPT, which by that time, fdisk supported.
2022-08-10 21:16:40	MrElendig	gdisk is still better than fdisk at gpt
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2022-08-10 21:17:06	Vorpal	does cgdisk support setting up hybrid MBR/GPT?
2022-08-10 21:18:42	MrElendig	yes
2022-08-10 21:18:42	jocke-l	MrElendig: in which way? I really only use it because it's a requirement for UEFI, the rest is LVM
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2022-08-10 21:19:04	MrElendig	jocke-l: saner ui for setting the guid and flags etc
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2022-08-11 17:56:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-08-11 07:46:03	thursdaylark	oh, that's their own lib, I think...
2022-08-11 07:46:08	thursdaylark	!shurg
2022-08-11 07:46:08	phrik	乁║ ˙ 益 ˙ ║ㄏ
2022-08-11 07:47:10	glitsj16	wrkzk: did you enable/start NetworkManager-dispatcher.service? anything in your journal to go on?
2022-08-11 09:50:45	baltazar	since when does ntfs3 support permissions?
2022-08-11 10:00:51	Erus_Iluvatar	baltazar: are you talking about ACL or UNIX permissions? 
2022-08-11 10:10:59	grawity	ntfs3 the driver, or NTFS the filesystem?
2022-08-11 10:15:07	baltazar	unix permissions. apparently I can chown and chmod like on any sane filesystem
2022-08-11 10:15:10	coruja	can someone help rogafe find the door?
2022-08-11 10:19:42	grawity	baltazar: apparently since the beginning -- it stores them within the EAs used by WSL1
2022-08-11 10:20:09	grawity	ntfs-3g also supported chmod, but it tried to map the POSIX operations to NTFS ACLs
2022-08-11 10:20:33	grawity	(which technically worked, just left a mess since POSIX ACLs are dumber than NTFS ACLs)
2022-08-11 10:21:04	grawity	so the two drivers are incompatible lol
2022-08-11 10:21:36	jelle	grawity: that it's named ntfs3 plainly annoys me :P
2022-08-11 10:21:52	jelle	grawity: https://github.com/util-linux/util-linux/issues/1508 *sigh*
2022-08-11 10:22:28	coruja	NetSysFire: ty
2022-08-11 10:22:41	NetSysFire	i begged jelle to gimme that hat because he forgot the syntax
2022-08-11 10:27:57	grawity	also apparently ntfs3 stores xattrs as NTFS EAs (whereas ntfs-3g stores them as data streams)
2022-08-11 10:28:12	grawity	so ntfs3 also "supports" POSIX ACLs
2022-08-11 10:28:18	grawity	since they're an xattr
2022-08-11 10:28:53	baltazar	interesting
2022-08-11 12:40:56	throstur	I copied my /home partitied with rsync after a hard drive failure, today is my last chance to make further backups. Is there any reason to make another one (e.g. taking more than just /home) and what is the preferred method among my peers?
2022-08-11 12:41:32	throstur	(I used rsync because the backups went on NTFS disks and knew it would work)
2022-08-11 12:42:39	Namarrgon	if you backup to ntfs then compress or at least tar the backup so you don't lose the metadata
2022-08-11 12:42:57	throstur	is the metadata important though?
2022-08-11 12:43:11	throstur	I'm kind of at the point where I'm really relieved my .vimrc survived
2022-08-11 12:43:20	Namarrgon	it is vital for the system, not so much for /home
2022-08-11 12:43:59	throstur	ah right, but I was thinking about just reinstalling arch anyway, would I need anything other than /home, barring extreme circumstance?
2022-08-11 12:44:24	Namarrgon	that depends on the definition of "extreme circumstances"
2022-08-11 12:44:25	lambda	a dump of the pacman db might be nice so you can reinstall all your packages
2022-08-11 12:44:36	Namarrgon	take a complete image of the disk if it's "extreme"
2022-08-11 12:44:48	throstur	Namarrgon: you mean like dd to iso?
2022-08-11 12:45:05	Namarrgon	you can just use cp, which will be faster, but sure
2022-08-11 12:45:14	Namarrgon	not to "iso" though, just a raw image
2022-08-11 12:45:32	throstur	I don't know what that means, can you please explain like I have only ever known software?
2022-08-11 12:45:51	throstur	I think I need disambiguation for "image" 
2022-08-11 12:46:00	Namarrgon	cp /dev/sdX /mnt/ntfs/backup.image
2022-08-11 12:46:10	throstur	cp can take a partition!!?
2022-08-11 12:46:15	Namarrgon	dd if=/dev/sdX of=/mnt/ntfs/backup.image
2022-08-11 12:46:36	BrainDamage	it's a file, ofc you can copy a file
2022-08-11 12:46:37	Namarrgon	cp copies files, a blockdevice is a kind of file
2022-08-11 12:46:48	throstur	thank you very much, live usb to the rescue, but Namarrgon the catalyst saves the day
2022-08-11 12:47:01	Namarrgon	*cataclysm
2022-08-11 12:47:04	throstur	I'll be able to sleep easy with "such a safe" backup
2022-08-11 12:47:06	nl6720	copying empty space is not an efficient use of storage
2022-08-11 12:47:17	Namarrgon	no, it's not but it works
2022-08-11 12:47:38	throstur	I can alwas clean it later (in other words, I'll buy a bigger disk for one of my SATA connections and move the least important stuff on the disk that gets removed)
2022-08-11 12:47:41	fructose	I just upgraded packages and my i3 session was replaced with X's log. I saw some config-related error, but its now scrolled up. Any ideas on how to recover?
2022-08-11 12:48:19	throstur	fructose: you can start by looking in /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or other number) to retrieve the logfile
2022-08-11 12:48:42	throstur	otherwise if you are in a terminal that you don't know how to scroll up in you might try pageup/down and perhaps some of your modifier keys
2022-08-11 12:49:03	Namarrgon	the scrollback was removed from the kernel a few months ago
2022-08-11 12:49:20	throstur	wow, am I that out of date? (don't answer that, please)
2022-08-11 12:49:33	throstur	the channel name answers it :P
2022-08-11 12:49:59	BrainDamage	I guess the ttys will slowly get stripped of functionality before dying rather than be killed outright
2022-08-11 12:50:27	fructose	Oh, it actually says Server terminated correctly, so maybe what's displaying is i3's log
2022-08-11 12:50:38	nl6720	if only there was a replacement. kmscon is dead AFAIK
2022-08-11 12:50:43	fructose	*terminated successfully
2022-08-11 12:50:49	Namarrgon	fructose: check the journal then
2022-08-11 12:51:08	throstur	if they remove tty from kernel, how will I recover when my X session is frozen?
2022-08-11 12:51:43	throstur	the data loss by forceful reboot is not necessary now, why should it ever be...
2022-08-11 12:51:49	BrainDamage	you'd use a userspace console
2022-08-11 12:51:54	nl6720	fructose: using a serial connection
2022-08-11 12:52:16	BrainDamage	nah, just a userspace console, instead of a kernelspace console
2022-08-11 12:52:41	BrainDamage	in practical terms it's some slight extra work for system packagers to add a default console program
2022-08-11 12:52:46	BrainDamage	not  even for the end user
2022-08-11 12:52:48	throstur	Namarrgon: quick question: how do I "use" the backup of a partition? like you've described that image
2022-08-11 12:52:59	throstur	BrainDamage: that actually does seem acceptable
2022-08-11 12:53:12	Namarrgon	throstur: my examples copies the entire disk, not just a partition
2022-08-11 12:54:01	Namarrgon	a disk image can be mapped with losetup -P, a partiton image can simply be mounted like usual
2022-08-11 12:55:15	throstur	yeah... I'll probably be back
2022-08-11 12:56:05	BrainDamage	also, fwiw you can already replace the kernel's console with a userspace one, right now
2022-08-11 12:56:15	BrainDamage	it's a couple of lines config
2022-08-11 12:56:46	BrainDamage	and brings benefits such as working scrollback, etc
2022-08-11 12:57:10	nl6720	what config and what userspace console are you talking about?
2022-08-11 12:57:29	BrainDamage	getty
2022-08-11 12:58:14	fructose	nl6720: I can switch virtual consoles
2022-08-11 12:58:54	BrainDamage	and the config is disabling the getty service and enabling the replacement console
2022-08-11 12:59:12	nl6720	and the replacement is?
2022-08-11 13:00:44	BrainDamage	one of the framebuffer terminals
2022-08-11 13:01:38	BrainDamage	or kmscon, despite being unmaintained it still works
2022-08-11 13:02:13	nl6720	I was hoping to hear a name for "one of the framebuffer terminals"
2022-08-11 13:03:34	BrainDamage	fbterm is one, but there's more ofc
2022-08-11 13:03:57	fructose	I'm seeing several "Unexpected error response from GetNameOwner(): Connection terminated" errors, but not else relevant with -p err..alert
2022-08-11 13:05:39	nl6720	fbterm doesn't look particularly alive either
2022-08-11 13:06:28	BrainDamage	many gnu utils code hasn't been touched since the 80s
2022-08-11 13:07:50	nl6720	I expect that all of them have had at least some code change since the 80s
2022-08-11 13:09:48	nl6720	all I'm saying is that there's doesn't appear to be any actively developed userspace console
2022-08-11 13:30:46	throstur	I get error reading /dev/nvme01n1 input/output error (the disk is in read-only mode) when trying to cp, am I doomed or is there hope?
2022-08-11 13:34:12	throstur	~~trying dd with conv=noerror :)
2022-08-11 13:34:35	Namarrgon	if the disk is damaged then you want to try ddrescue instead, it handles errors a bit better than dd or cp
2022-08-11 13:34:39	throstur	okay
2022-08-11 13:34:46	Namarrgon	but be prepared for a long procedure
2022-08-11 13:35:08	throstur	how long ish?
2022-08-11 13:35:29	throstur	I'm expecting 2-3 hours (500 gigs M2 -> 7200 rpm hdd)
2022-08-11 13:35:34	Namarrgon	depends on how many bad sectors the disk has
2022-08-11 13:35:47	Namarrgon	hours, days, a week
2022-08-11 13:35:51	throstur	oh... it's a fairly new M2, it has only 3TB written in lifetime, can't be that many bad sectors?
2022-08-11 13:36:16	throstur	days though? I'm running on a portable arch on a usb without x or anything lol, is it resumable?
2022-08-11 13:38:35	Namarrgon	so you're not making backups of a known-bad disk because it's dying?
2022-08-11 13:38:53	throstur	I'm making a security backup of it before I drill holes in it and send it for warranty
2022-08-11 13:39:27	⚡ 	jelle wonders how that will work out
2022-08-11 13:39:31	throstur	the disk's read-only bit got suddenly set while using it, so something went wrong on the hardware level
2022-08-11 13:39:49	Namarrgon	non-raid disks tend to do quite a lot of recovery on a bad sector before they give up and send errors back to the OS, this makes this very time consuming
2022-08-11 13:39:52	throstur	jelle: I asked them how to erase my private data before sending it or that I could be present for supervision and they said "just drill holes in it, we'll let the warehouse know"
2022-08-11 13:40:02	jelle	throstur: interesting
2022-08-11 13:40:20	throstur	right? like... at that point, isn't it enough to just show them the serial number sticker intact on a destroyed chip?
2022-08-11 13:40:44	Namarrgon	then they send you a bill because the disk was damaged
2022-08-11 13:40:47	throstur	I mean, thanks for disposing of it safely for me and all that, but why do you need to check that it's broken if I'm allowed to break it?
2022-08-11 13:40:55	throstur	lol, definitely
2022-08-11 13:40:57	jelle	I find it cool that they at least support you destroying the data
2022-08-11 13:41:14	throstur	I did have to play the "I question the legality of your request" card
2022-08-11 13:41:41	throstur	it's a bit of a special case, because I requested support from USA, but GDPR applies in Iceland
2022-08-11 13:43:08	hazmat	hello
2022-08-11 13:43:27	Edu4rdSHL	!give hazmat welcome
2022-08-11 13:43:28	phrik	hazmat: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-08-11 13:43:39	jof	throstur: Hæ  :p
2022-08-11 13:43:56	hazmat	by leaving windows....i kid i kid
2022-08-11 13:50:21	CarloWood	How can I list all packages that were installed from an AUR?
2022-08-11 13:50:55	jelle	pamcan -Qm (sort of)
2022-08-11 13:51:01	jelle	it lists all foreign packages which might include the AUR
2022-08-11 13:53:04	CarloWood	thx
2022-08-11 13:56:13	throstur	this ddrescue thing is awesome btw, running it with -vv makes me feel like I'm in complete control. I feel safe. Thank you Namarrgon again for your assistance, it is much appreciated
2022-08-11 14:15:16	fishguts	Hi all. Can I determine what systemd services are enabled via the filesystem? I have a backup of a root installation mounted and want to see what services it had enabled when running. Thanks.
2022-08-11 14:16:07	Scimmia	see /etc/systemd/
2022-08-11 14:16:51	guesswhat	is possible to get max subuid value from /proc/self ? /proc/self/uid_map will show size and min, but what about max ?
2022-08-11 14:16:58	Scimmia	and /usr/lib/systemd/system
2022-08-11 14:17:18	Scimmia	anything in a wants dir is enabled
2022-08-11 14:17:39	fishguts	Oh yes of course, I should have remembered that from seeing systemd make the symlinks when enabling a service. Cheers.
2022-08-11 14:47:27	phonemic	Started getting read errors on an nvme drive that is less than a year old. Any suggestions? Here is the dmesg output. https://pastebin.com/zGF0DcVW
2022-08-11 14:47:27	phrik	Title: [Thu Aug 11 06:15:16 2022] blk_update_request: critical medium error, dev nvme0n - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-08-11 14:47:27	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o2MP.jTEMWG97
2022-08-11 14:48:03	bea	is the drive transitioning through power states?
2022-08-11 14:48:14	bea	or rather, not transitioning through power states
2022-08-11 14:48:54	phonemic	bea: I can trigger the errors with "dd if=/dev/yourdrive of=/dev/null"
2022-08-11 14:49:13	phonemic	What does transitioning through power states mean? Sorry.
2022-08-11 14:49:46	bea	Some NVME drives don't handle going into different power states well, for example when the system goes to sleep, it can transition into a lower power state and then fail to come back up
2022-08-11 14:50:10	phonemic	Oh I see. No, it's installed in a NUC server that is always on
2022-08-11 14:50:24	bea	then it's probably just dying
2022-08-11 14:50:28	bea	warranty time?
2022-08-11 14:50:30	phonemic	I don't think it's temp related since the highest it does is 50C
2022-08-11 14:50:44	phonemic	Ugh, that's what I'm thinking
2022-08-11 15:01:03	astralc	maybe dust buildup inside the computer? I had weird errors once because dust on the ram
2022-08-11 15:02:56	artefact	if it's not soldered on, try reproducing it on another machine
2022-08-11 15:07:15	bea	true, the socket could also be bad
2022-08-11 15:07:23	bea	or seating poorly
2022-08-11 15:12:12	mrkiko	Helloall!! I am getting crazy. :) I would like to encode an alreadydecrypted DVD to .mkv format to the best quality possible both in video and audio terms. But since I am blind, I would need an automated method to do so. Any hope?
2022-08-11 15:12:54	mrkiko	I would like to have as much as complete conversion as possible - meaning I would like to preserve audio tracks of different languages and so on
2022-08-11 15:15:36	chowbok	You want makemkvcon
2022-08-11 15:15:41	chowbok	But
2022-08-11 15:15:49	chowbok	As it happens, it's currently broken
2022-08-11 15:15:59	mrkiko	infact, it segfaulted on me :D
2022-08-11 15:16:04	chowbok	It will hopefully be fixed soon
2022-08-11 15:16:14	chowbok	Yeah, it's doing that to everybody
2022-08-11 15:16:25	mrkiko	:D and no way around it just yet?
2022-08-11 15:16:53	chowbok	Only way around it is to downgrade glibc
2022-08-11 15:16:56	mrkiko	but it was not clear to me if the program is open source or not, since I seen something like "reg" option to enter program registration key
2022-08-11 15:17:02	chowbok	It's not
2022-08-11 15:17:14	mrkiko	thanks a lot
2022-08-11 15:17:28	chowbok	But you can get the key for free
2022-08-11 15:17:42	mrkiko	do I need it actually?
2022-08-11 15:17:55	chowbok	Yeah, you can get it from their website
2022-08-11 15:19:24	chowbok	https://forum.makemkv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1053
2022-08-11 15:19:26	phrik	Title: MakeMKV is free while in beta - www.makemkv.com (at forum.makemkv.com)
2022-08-11 15:19:34	mrkiko	chowbok: would you mind helping me out in the process, maybe in a private chat ? I know I am asking much, but web for me isn't as practical sometimes. However, I'll be downloading it to a system with older glibc
2022-08-11 15:20:07	mrkiko	ok, got the .gz
2022-08-11 15:20:38	iqqdq	Hi when I ran timedatectl set-ntp true, I get an error that qemu agent timed out. This is a normal install, not a vm.
2022-08-11 15:22:04	astralc	just to make sure: do you have qemu/libvirt stuff installed? error seem... unrelated if it is about qemu
2022-08-11 15:22:32	iqqdq	This is on the install media
2022-08-11 15:23:08	iqqdq	So whatever comes with the iso
2022-08-11 15:24:59	Edu4rdSHL	iqqdq, post the exact error in a paste, as well as your journal logs
2022-08-11 15:33:03	astralc	iqqdq: I tried to run same what you did, I think what happen is startup messages are shown in console (unrelated to the command you run) - maybe the timedatectl cause messges to be show in console
2022-08-11 15:33:24	iqqdq	Here's the error, not sure how to make a paste of this https://ibb.co/KbpzYZg
2022-08-11 15:33:25	phrik	Title: 16602247405425809301648742730494 — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2022-08-11 15:34:48	astralc	the qemu agent fail because you are not in qemu... even if you don't run timedatectl
2022-08-11 15:36:08	iqqdq	So do I just ignore it?
2022-08-11 15:36:33	iqqdq	!paste
2022-08-11 15:36:34	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-08-11 15:36:38	astralc	i think yes
2022-08-11 15:36:51	iqqdq	!ix
2022-08-11 15:36:52	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-08-11 15:38:19	iqqdq	https://ix.io/47hy
2022-08-11 15:38:30	iqqdq	That's journalctl
2022-08-11 15:39:21	iqqdq	Oh capital Y at the end
2022-08-11 15:39:22	Scimmia	no, it's not, but it doesn't matter, those are startup messages like astralc said. That failure would be expected and has nothing to do with anything you ran
2022-08-11 15:39:53	iqqdq	Alright
2022-08-11 15:40:03	iqqdq	New computer just worried
2022-08-11 16:51:51	chazy	hi, does anyone here use firefox?
2022-08-11 16:52:18	jelle	chazy: just ask
2022-08-11 16:53:32	chazy	i just noticed that firefox keeps opening udp socket, listening on *, and i have no idea what for
2022-08-11 16:53:47	mefistofeles	chazy: check the response in #firefox 
2022-08-11 17:16:01	enoq	cool, google maps is broken on firefox
2022-08-11 17:16:09	enoq	it has begun :P
2022-08-11 17:16:52	enoq	disregard, probably update xD
2022-08-11 17:19:42	mefistofeles	enoq: hah
2022-08-11 17:34:13	guavahabanero	Hello! I have a potentially silly question but googling hasn't lead me to a clearly definitive answer
2022-08-11 17:34:40	guavahabanero	I am using AMDVLK and would like to switch to vulkan-radeon. Is this as simple as just installing the latter and removing the former?
2022-08-11 17:34:45	guavahabanero	Or will there be complications?
2022-08-11 17:35:05	Namarrgon	no, that's about it
2022-08-11 17:35:20	guavahabanero	Perfect! thank you!
2022-08-11 17:35:32	guavahabanero	Have a great day everyone!
2022-08-11 17:41:38	mefistofeles	Namarrgon: and that's how we never hear again from guavahabanero
2022-08-11 17:41:39	mefistofeles	:P
2022-08-11 17:48:51	Namarrgon	if they can't boot the system then they can't complain about terrible support, problem solved either way
2022-08-11 17:56:04	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-08-11 18:27:53	Arsimael	Any recommodations on Soundcards on linux? 
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2022-08-11 18:29:34	jelle	usb, pci?
2022-08-11 18:29:39	Arsimael	pcie
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2022-08-11 18:30:24	Arsimael	I am thorn between a creative audigy Rx and an AE-5
2022-08-11 18:30:32	Arsimael	*SoundblasterX AE-5
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2022-08-11 18:37:06	artefact	i've used a xonar stx in the past, worked ok
2022-08-11 18:37:15	artefact	now i just use a usb audio interface
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2022-08-11 18:38:46	Arsimael	Well. Lets see if the awful niose from my GPU is gone on the new system. 
2022-08-11 18:38:58	Arsimael	maybe I don't need a new Soundcard
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2022-08-11 18:39:39	artefact	did the noise actually came through speakers? could just have been coil whine?
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2022-08-11 18:41:18	teraflops	usb is better in case you want to avoid interferences
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2022-08-11 18:42:15	artefact	usually yes, though good designed cards also have internal shielding
2022-08-11 18:42:33	Arsimael	artefact, its crackling noise like an old radio with no signal, and whenever I play games, I can hear it if the gpu is used. humming noises etc. 
2022-08-11 18:42:55	artefact	okay, but that doesn't answer my question
2022-08-11 18:43:13	Arsimael	Yes. It' sfrom speakers 
2022-08-11 18:43:30	artefact	alright. i'd just try a cheap usb audio interface, then
2022-08-11 18:43:35	JTL	USB audio can have its own demons
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2022-08-11 18:44:05	artefact	like what? jitter is a non issue
2022-08-11 18:44:26	JTL	bus powered devices can be wonky if the motherboard doesn't provide consistent power
2022-08-11 18:44:37	JTL	and from what I remember, issues with buffering/latency can still exist
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2022-08-11 18:45:12	Arsimael	I don't have the white noise when using a different device
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2022-08-11 18:45:21	Arsimael	so it's def. from the PC
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2022-08-11 19:14:25	CubeTheThird	can someone confirm for me what version the current gnome-shell package is? I'm getting 1:42.4-1 but all my mirrors give a 404 for that version
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2022-08-11 19:15:19	mefistofeles	CubeTheThird: you can check archlinux.org/packages 
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2022-08-11 19:16:14	mefistofeles	CubeTheThird: and yeah, it might be that the mirrors you are using have problems or your mirrorlist file is outdated
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2022-08-11 19:16:42	CubeTheThird	It's just strange because of the 140 packages I have out of date, that's the only one I can't download
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2022-08-11 19:17:27	zan	CubeTheThird: try commenting out the 1st mirror in /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.conf, that usually fixes it for me
2022-08-11 19:17:45	zan	* /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
2022-08-11 19:17:46	CubeTheThird	This is across 5 different mirrors :Z
2022-08-11 19:18:00	zan	ow
2022-08-11 19:18:04	mefistofeles	CubeTheThird: what mirrors?
2022-08-11 19:18:33	MrElendig	!give CubeTheThird kittypack
2022-08-11 19:18:34	phrik	CubeTheThird: A crappy cli tool to poke archlinux.org/packages https://github.com/MrElendig/kittypack https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/kittypack-git/ Now with more deps!
2022-08-11 19:19:07	MrElendig	CubeTheThird: only the first mirror in your list actually matters
2022-08-11 19:19:25	MrElendig	well, really matters, since that is where it grabs the sync db from
2022-08-11 19:19:40	CubeTheThird	mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca, mirror.pit.teraswitch.com, mirror.xenyth.net, mirrors.rit.edu, mirror2.evolution-host.com
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2022-08-11 19:21:36	CubeTheThird	Yup and I confirmed that the package version isn't the issue (at least according to archlinux.org)
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2022-08-11 19:22:57	mefistofeles	CubeTheThird: http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/archlinux/extra/os/x86_64/gnome-shell-1%3A42.3.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst this works for me
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2022-08-11 19:23:43	CubeTheThird	That's the wrong version though
2022-08-11 19:24:01	CubeTheThird	it should be 42.4 not 42.3
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2022-08-11 19:24:19	mefistofeles	CubeTheThird: I see Last Updated: 2022-08-11 17:00 UTC (23 minutes ago)
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2022-08-11 19:24:27	mefistofeles	mirrors are probably not synced yet
2022-08-11 19:24:33	mefistofeles	or something :/
2022-08-11 19:24:47	BrainDamage	2022-08-11 17:00 UTC (23 minutes ago)
2022-08-11 19:24:52	BrainDamage	just wait
2022-08-11 19:25:34	CubeTheThird	and it makes sense that this would be the case across 5 different mirrors?
2022-08-11 19:25:41	mefistofeles	yes
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2022-08-11 19:27:42	mefistofeles	https://mirror.osbeck.com/archlinux/extra/os/x86_64/ 
2022-08-11 19:27:46	mefistofeles	this one has both versions xD
2022-08-11 19:28:22	mefistofeles	I guess arch isn't a rolling release distro :P
2022-08-11 19:28:34	Scimmia	having both versions is normal while syncing
2022-08-11 19:28:41	mefistofeles	yeah, I can imagine
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2022-08-11 19:29:23	Scimmia	ideally, they get the new packages, get the new databases, delete the old packages
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2022-08-11 19:31:48	artefact	soft updates
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2022-08-12 18:35:14	luna1	hey does anyone know if there is a way to force systemctl not to run a service as root
2022-08-12 18:35:30	grawity	specify the right user account in the .service
2022-08-12 18:35:37	grawity	you don't have to "force" it anything
2022-08-12 18:35:42	grawity	it's literally a config option
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2022-08-12 18:36:40	luna1	i specified the user thing as the same name as my user account but it still tries to run as root
2022-08-12 18:37:05	grawity	what kind of service?
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2022-08-12 18:37:15	grawity	and where does it actually show it's running as root
2022-08-12 18:37:22	grawity	or tries to
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2022-08-12 18:37:40	luna1	its just a service that runs a script and when i run it as root it gets the same error
2022-08-12 18:37:55	grawity	ok but what *is* the error?
2022-08-12 18:37:58	luna1	like the service complains that the program ran by the script exits with an error
2022-08-12 18:37:59	luna1	one sec
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2022-08-12 18:38:36	luna1	Cannot autolaunch D-Bus without X11 $DISPLAY
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2022-08-12 18:38:49	grawity	yeah that is not caused by the UID being root or non-root
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2022-08-12 18:38:58	grawity	it's caused by the process not having any of your environment variables
2022-08-12 18:39:06	luna1	ahh ty
2022-08-12 18:39:10	mpan	luna1: do you run the unit as user unit or as root?
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2022-08-12 18:39:12	grawity	running stuff via `sudo` deliberately strips them away
2022-08-12 18:39:14	grawity	wheras services don't have those to begin which
2022-08-12 18:39:24	luna1	ahh tysm
2022-08-12 18:39:26	grawity	so in both cases you arrive at the same problem, but different ways
2022-08-12 18:39:32	mpan	Because, considering our earlier exchanges, you want user services, not system services
2022-08-12 18:39:37	luna1	wdym mpan
2022-08-12 18:39:46	grawity	since it needs X11 and D-Bus and stuff, best option would be to run it as a "systemctl --user" service
2022-08-12 18:39:49	grawity	instead of a system-wide service
2022-08-12 18:40:02	grawity	i.e. put it in ~/.config/systemd/user/, start it via 'systemctl --user'
2022-08-12 18:40:08	mpan	And, since we are likely talking about timer, the timer should be enabled for the user.
2022-08-12 18:40:16	luna1	ahh ty
2022-08-12 18:40:21	mpan	(based on previous talks)
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2022-08-12 18:40:34	luna1	rn im trying to get the service to work and then imma hook it up to a timer
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2022-08-12 18:40:56	mpan	Then follow what grawity said, but then remember that the timer will also need to run for the user.
2022-08-12 18:41:24	luna1	ok ty
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2022-08-12 18:41:51	mpan	Also ++ for persistance. :)
2022-08-12 18:42:21	luna1	ty
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2022-08-12 18:49:50	wallabra	There should be some sort of architecture for software devs/maintainers to write their own PKGBUILDs for their own projects and make them available somehow
2022-08-12 18:50:04	mpan	wallabra: any text editor.
2022-08-12 18:50:09	mpan	And in fact some do.
2022-08-12 18:50:13	luna1	isnt that just the aur?
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2022-08-12 18:50:28	wallabra	The AUR is community maintained
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2022-08-12 18:50:31	mpan	And yes, some publish their PKGBUILDs in AUR.
2022-08-12 18:50:37	luna1	ahh ok
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2022-08-12 18:50:39	mpan	Yes, and who are developers?
2022-08-12 18:50:40	wallabra	I was thinking the PKGBUILD would be in the project's own repository somehow?
2022-08-12 18:50:45	wallabra	I don't know if it'd be in a branch or what.
2022-08-12 18:50:58	mpan	Yes, many projects have their own repositories and have PKGBUILDs in them. Some also publish it on AUR.
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2022-08-12 18:51:01	wallabra	There are PKGBUILDs for getting from VCS but I don't know if there is one to be included in the actual repository's root tree.
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2022-08-12 18:51:15	wallabra	Or what the source list of such one would be.
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2022-08-12 18:53:00	mpan	wallabra: to not search too far: <https://github.com/AladW/aurutils/blob/master/makepkg/PKGBUILD>.
2022-08-12 18:53:21	wallabra	And what if there was a certain 'kind' of repository, e.g. Minetest mods, for which there could be a submodule containing the PKGBUILD, which would be a fork of a template submodule?
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2022-08-12 18:56:03	wallabra	mpan, ah, thanks :)
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2022-08-12 18:56:20	wallabra	So you'd clone the repository to get the PKGBUILD, and makepkg would clone it again?
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2022-08-12 18:56:59	wallabra	I think there's a way to get a specific file from a repository in Git.
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2022-08-12 18:57:19	wallabra	Though it'd require git fetch, which still gets all the objects, so hmm...
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2022-08-12 18:58:04	grawity	partial clone, if the server supports it
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2022-08-12 18:58:34	grawity	makepkg will look for a local cached repo if needed
2022-08-12 18:58:45	grawity	but makepkg isn't really designed for "in-tree" packaging
2022-08-12 18:59:03	grawity	I think it's just Debian's dpkg that uses that style
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2022-08-12 18:59:16	grawity	actually, how do projects deal with this when including rpm .spec files?
2022-08-12 18:59:32	grawity	as that's more common than pkgbuilds
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2022-08-12 19:01:13	wallabra	inb4 makepkg adds support for .spec
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2022-08-12 19:01:29	grawity	I mean we have rpm-tools in repos
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2022-08-12 19:03:14	Vorpal	There is a lot of other features I can't get working, but every journey begins with a small step
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2022-08-12 19:06:10	mpan	wallabra: makepkg would not clone the PKGBUILD. makepkg would use the PKGBUILD you provided it. makepkg doesn’t concern itself with how you obtain the makepkg.
2022-08-12 19:06:13	mpan	the PKGBUILD*
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2022-08-12 19:06:36	wallabra	No, I mean clone the repository referred by the PKGBUILD even though it's also the repository that was cloned to obtain it.
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2022-08-12 19:07:35	mpan	wallabra: the PKGBUILD doesn’t need to refer to any repository, and you do not need to specifically clone a repository to obtain a PKGBUILD. It’s up to the upstream to decide how to offer it and up to you to decide how to obtain it.
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2022-08-12 19:09:32	Vorpal	mpan: it helps if upstream's decision is compatible with your decision though
2022-08-12 19:09:48	mpan	Vorpal: but those are two separate concepts.
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2022-08-12 19:10:01	Vorpal	mpan: I can decide to receive AUR PKGBUILDs via IP over avian carrier. However, I'm going to keep waiting if I do so
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2022-08-12 19:20:52	wallabra	mpan, separate concepts don't exist in a vacuum and orchestration is an important part of a functioning and harmonious software ecosystem.
2022-08-12 19:20:54	wallabra	Nitpicking aside, I guess you're right. The PKGBUILD could be in a subdirectory of the repo and refer to the parent directory for source code. Alternatively it could include a submodule that refers to aur.archlinux.org. Hmm…
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2022-08-12 19:22:23	Scimmia	It could, but why? Just put it in the AUR and be done with it
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2022-08-12 19:25:46	wallabra	Well, the alternative I presented is putting it in the AUR and having it as a submodule of the repository :P
2022-08-12 19:26:00	Scimmia	and what does that accomplish?
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2022-08-12 19:26:09	wallabra	I just want some way to link the repository with the PKGBUILD in the AUR to make it easier to maintain and track.
2022-08-12 19:26:18	wallabra	Hell, it could even be a regular subdirectory managed with git subtree.
2022-08-12 19:26:53	wallabra	I forgot if with subtree the actual commits could be part of the main repository but cherrypicked when pushing changes of the subtree.
2022-08-12 19:27:05	Scimmia	the repository with the PKGBUILD *is* the one in the AUR. Done, simple, no mess
2022-08-12 19:28:04	wallabra	uhh
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2022-08-12 19:28:12	wallabra	you want the entire source tree, WITH the PKGBUILD, in the AUR?
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2022-08-12 19:28:29	Scimmia	No, I'm saying that having the PKGBUILD in the same source tree as the source is pointless
2022-08-12 19:28:44	wallabra	I like them sharing the commit history
2022-08-12 19:29:02	wallabra	otherwise is hard to keep track of things and ensure the PKGBUILD is up to date with potential changes in the repository
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2022-08-12 19:29:18	wallabra	alternatively with a half-decent build system the PKGBUILD doesn't really have to be changed lol
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2022-08-12 20:45:51	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-08-12 20:45:51	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1473 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1473 normals)
2022-08-12 20:28:30	Vorpal	how do I fix things properly so only the intel_backlight one remains, or how do I make xfce use that one?
2022-08-12 20:28:31	susi	which one control the actual backlight?
2022-08-12 20:29:27	Vorpal	all of them until the first suspend, after that only the intel one
2022-08-12 20:29:56	Vorpal	and xfce doesn't use the intel one, it prefers acpi_video0 or toshiba. Both break
2022-08-12 20:33:56	Halian	Hi
2022-08-12 20:40:26	Vorpal	aha acpi_backlight=none leaves only the intel one. That works. Except now the screen is completely black after resume unless I close and open the lid
2022-08-12 20:40:35	Vorpal	so that doesn't work either
2022-08-12 20:45:51	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-08-12 20:47:50	Vorpal	so I tried all values for acpi_backlight= and all of them break in one way or another
2022-08-12 20:49:10	Vorpal	it seems I need it there for the screen to turn on at all after waking from suspend. But then backlight stops working. So the best option seems to be to leave it enabled but find a way that xfce can control the intel backlight for actual adjustment
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2022-08-12 20:57:31	rcf	Vorpal: unfortunately you seem rather out of luck here. https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/-/blob/master/src/xfpm-backlight-helper.c#L465
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2022-08-12 20:58:28	Vorpal	rcf: acpilight works, but I can't get the keybindings for it working. Even if I turn off the XFCE setting to handle the backlight keys, sometimes handles them
2022-08-12 20:58:38	Vorpal	have not yet figured out what
2022-08-12 20:58:42	rcf	Vorpal: the hardware itself might be trying to handle them 
2022-08-12 20:59:14	Vorpal	I can bind them just fine (e.g when I press the key combo, they are registered)
2022-08-12 20:59:25	rcf	bloody xfce 
2022-08-12 20:59:29	Vorpal	but when I try to use it outside the binding dialog for global shortcuts in xfce...
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2022-08-12 20:59:34	Vorpal	so I assume it is not hw
2022-08-12 20:59:38	rcf	You did restart it, right? 
2022-08-12 21:00:01	Vorpal	after turning off handling backlight keys in xfce? No, maybe I should
2022-08-12 21:00:08	rcf	Definitely 
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2022-08-12 21:00:29	Vorpal	why is it messing with brightness_switch_enabled?
2022-08-12 21:00:33	Vorpal	xfce I mean
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2022-08-12 21:00:54	rcf	Just because you change the setting doesn't mean it's been recognized by every component. 
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2022-08-12 21:01:18	Vorpal	doing so now
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2022-08-12 21:03:22	Vorpal	rcf: good call on the restart. I guess this way it works, even if I don't get any little popup showing me what the brightness is set to
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2022-08-12 21:07:28	rcf	Vorpal: for that a wrapper script works, I have https://rcf.sdf.org/pb/t/40431eff as xbacklight-notify. 
2022-08-12 21:07:28	ℹ 	Guest1674 es conocido ahora como POLO
2022-08-12 21:07:44	rcf	For visual confirmation that it is, in fact, doing something. 
2022-08-12 21:07:50	ℹ 	POLO es conocido ahora como Polo
2022-08-12 21:07:58	rcf	(as if the brightness itself is not enough) 
2022-08-12 21:08:00	Vorpal	I mean, I can see the backlight changing
2022-08-12 21:08:19	Vorpal	but it is kind of nice knowing when I hit 100% I guess
2022-08-12 21:08:29	rcf	But I also like to see the actual percentage, so that script will tell me after setting it. 
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2022-08-12 21:08:50	Vorpal	yes I agree, for some irrational reason seeing the percentage is nice
2022-08-12 21:10:14	Vorpal	rcf: hm it would be nice if it didn't create a new notification every time but replaced the existing one
2022-08-12 21:10:54	Vorpal	apparently you can do that with -r and -p
2022-08-12 21:10:57	◣	causasui (~causasui@152.117.117.48) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-08-12 21:11:01	Vorpal	requires state though
2022-08-12 21:11:13	rcf	For me it doesn't matter, the low expiration time is enough 
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2022-08-12 21:11:33	rcf	But of course go for it if you want to. 
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2022-08-12 21:13:36	rcf	If xfce doesn't honor the expiration time that would probably be quite worthwhile 
2022-08-12 21:14:16	Vorpal	hm good question was testing this on my modern computer which runs KDE, and it honours it
2022-08-12 21:14:22	◣	Polo (~Polo@user/polo) ha salido (Quit: rd)
2022-08-12 21:14:28	Vorpal	but replacing a non-existing notification results in no notification
2022-08-12 21:14:45	Vorpal	xfce honours it
2022-08-12 21:14:45	◣	feriman (~feriman@188.163.113.151) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2022-08-12 21:14:49	rcf	More state tracking I suppose 
2022-08-12 21:15:00	rcf	Or just make it indefinite 
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2022-08-12 21:15:24	Vorpal	what? last time stamp so you can know if it expired?
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2022-08-12 21:15:30	rcf	Indeed
2022-08-12 21:15:35	Vorpal	yeah... nope
2022-08-12 21:15:46	Vorpal	I'm living with multiplie notifications
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2022-08-12 21:15:59	Vorpal	I am going to add a suitable icon though
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2022-08-12 21:30:59	Charged	Hello!
2022-08-12 21:31:13	mefistofeles	!give Charged welcomerpg
2022-08-12 21:31:14	phrik	Charged: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how many .pacnew files you ignored.
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2022-08-12 21:31:35	Charged	I have no idea what that is...
2022-08-12 21:31:57	menfie	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Pacnew_and_Pacsave
2022-08-12 21:31:58	phrik	Title: pacman/Pacnew and Pacsave - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-12 21:32:12	Charged	Okay, thanks.
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2022-08-12 21:33:03	Charged	I get the point, but I don't think I've come across this before.
2022-08-12 21:33:39	mefistofeles	Charged: now yo know! you learn new things here in #archlinux 
2022-08-12 21:33:40	mefistofeles	:P
2022-08-12 21:34:12	alad	admit it, that welcome is lame
2022-08-12 21:34:29	coruja	+1
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2022-08-12 21:34:58	coruja	!give Charged welcome
2022-08-12 21:34:59	phrik	Charged: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
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2022-08-13 13:18:59	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-08-13 13:18:59	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1457 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1457 normals)
2022-08-13 09:05:09	cyphertite	aod:  there are separate archwikis for ntfs and ntfs-3g
2022-08-13 09:08:08	aod	ntfs-3g for ntfs suport
2022-08-13 09:09:21	cyphertite	Confusioned:  I run both btrfs and Arch on zfs sysytems; never lost a single bit on either, running for many years
2022-08-13 09:12:28	glitsj16	maybe it's a matter of (avoiding) loss of hair instead of bits - due to administrative issues, regardless of the file systems one uses
2022-08-13 09:13:39	glitsj16	cyphertite: would you say that ZFS is 'easier' to administer than btrfs?
2022-08-13 09:15:23	glitsj16	what's your experience in this regard? i'm considering departing from ext4 in the near future, that's why i ask...
2022-08-13 09:17:13	cyphertite	glitsj16:  with zfs you'll have to read up on zpools and learn to work with the various zfs commands.  I find it simple to administer.
2022-08-13 09:18:57	glitsj16	cyphertite: yes i was happy to read on the arch wiki page for zfs that one can experiment with those in a safe environment
2022-08-13 09:19:59	cyphertite	glitsj16:  yep, and remember, using a VM for testing first is always a good idea
2022-08-13 09:21:07	glitsj16	cyphertite: thanks for the reminder, i don't have the hardware right now to actually use VM's much
2022-08-13 09:21:36	cyphertite	k, and np
2022-08-13 09:23:45	glitsj16	maybe it's overkill for a one-person personal laptop, it's not that i need a more complex multi-user setup
2022-08-13 09:32:57	AndroUser	Hello, could someone help me with the bios setting I should use? I need to configure a boot path but I don't know what to set it to. I just installed this following Mental Outlaw's tutorial on archinstall.
2022-08-13 09:40:26	MrElendig	using csm?
2022-08-13 09:40:39	MrElendig	also, follow the official wiki instead of outdated random yt videos
2022-08-13 09:46:31	Confusioned	Why? Mental outlaw sounds trustworthy, just from the name
2022-08-13 09:48:12	jenkins	you can check out youtube guides to get a general view of the process, just check the wiki as well afterwards
2022-08-13 09:50:21	MrElendig	mo is quite the mixed bag
2022-08-13 09:50:53	ash_caramel	MrElendig: is there anything in the wiki about archinstall?
2022-08-13 09:51:24	MrElendig	yes, but its main docs are offsite
2022-08-13 09:51:35	⚡ 	MrElendig suggests not using archinstall generally
2022-08-13 09:51:49	MrElendig	unless you want to do automation
2022-08-13 09:51:56	Confusioned	I don't know at all why one would want to watch a video instead of reading a text to learn something like this
2022-08-13 09:52:00	MrElendig	as in actually fully automated isntall
2022-08-13 09:52:26	MrElendig	install*
2022-08-13 09:52:30	ash_caramel	tbh im really new to arch and reading all the docs is a bit daunting.
2022-08-13 09:52:36	Confusioned	But yeah, maybe I'm just too old
2022-08-13 09:52:45	ash_caramel	+ what's wrong with archinstall generally?
2022-08-13 09:52:51	BrainDamage	the problem is that you need to make some informed choices during the install
2022-08-13 09:53:07	BrainDamage	choices that you will be asked about during troubleshooting
2022-08-13 09:53:19	MrElendig	ash_caramel: the guided install isn't well documented, and the guided mode is basically just an aftertoght and it shows (though it is being improved now)
2022-08-13 09:53:43	BrainDamage	mind you, if you don't have an opinion, some of the choices are sort of equivalent, you can form an opinion later on
2022-08-13 09:54:00	BrainDamage	but they do have to be made, and you need to know about them
2022-08-13 09:54:15	ash_caramel	so is it suggested i follow the main installation docs?
2022-08-13 09:54:19	BrainDamage	so when someone eg asks which bootloader you use the answer shouldn't be "huh?"
2022-08-13 09:54:47	BrainDamage	yes
2022-08-13 09:55:13	Confusioned	The one with a cool splash screen?
2022-08-13 09:56:19	Confusioned	I tend to use systemd as bootloader btw. but I don't have any other OS or so, so I guess that is ok
2022-08-13 09:57:13	glitsj16	that's not 'mission-critical' when the mission is to get to a working arch installation, tune the hell out of it later
2022-08-13 09:59:37	BrainDamage	also, one important part is that you'll never nail your perfect setup on the first go, esp if you account that as time goes on your requirements or tastes might change, so it's quite frequent to do a new installation after some time because you want to setup things differently
2022-08-13 10:00:37	BrainDamage	but that's also part of the "informed choices" thing, you need to be aware when you make a choice and what alternatives there are
2022-08-13 11:22:16	Vorpal	so.. I have this terrible old laptop with god awful linux support that I'm trying to fix and figure out as a hobby/learning project. The next issue I discovered is that some media keys are non-functional. I can't even see anything when I press them with xev open. I looked on the wiki at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Extra_keyboard_keys but I don't see any information for how to debug this
2022-08-13 11:22:16	Vorpal	further. Because when I look at the toshiba_acpi driver those keys 
2022-08-13 11:22:17	phrik	Title: Extra keyboard keys - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-13 11:22:17	Vorpal	*should* be supported. So I'm wondering if there is some lower level tool I can use instead of xev, that perhaps bypasses X11 entirely to see what is wrong
2022-08-13 11:23:57	artefact	cat /dev/input/$foo ?
2022-08-13 11:25:01	Vorpal	oh, I guess that will at least show me if something happens, even if I just get binary data
2022-08-13 11:25:43	Vorpal	now, how to find out which /dev/input/event* thing
2022-08-13 11:27:44	artefact	journalctl -kb -ginput
2022-08-13 11:28:44	Vorpal	odd, some keys that *do* work in X11 generate nothing on the device I thought they would be on
2022-08-13 11:29:14	artefact	most hid keyboards have two inputs, one for "normal" keys and one for "media" keys
2022-08-13 11:30:51	Vorpal	hm this one does not. The volume keys generate stuff on the normal keyboard
2022-08-13 11:31:31	Vorpal	but the button that opens two copies of the monitor settings (one on key down one on key up maybe? not sure) doesn't trigger on that one
2022-08-13 11:31:33	Vorpal	very odd
2022-08-13 11:31:53	artefact	can also use /dev/input/by-id
2022-08-13 11:32:39	artefact	or evtest(1)
2022-08-13 11:33:22	Vorpal	aha, it seems to be split between "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" and "Toshiba input device". There does not appear to be any logic to what goes where -_-
2022-08-13 11:34:02	Vorpal	volume +/- goes to AT, volume mute/umute goes to Toshiba
2022-08-13 11:34:06	Vorpal	why...
2022-08-13 11:34:40	Vorpal	at least all but one button so far seems to generate something on either one of those
2022-08-13 11:35:39	artefact	you can use eg, kmonad and unify those two to mostly anything you like
2022-08-13 11:36:45	artefact	some features are only in (here be dragons) xkb though
2022-08-13 11:38:00	Vorpal	oh cool, kmonad is new to me, looks interesting
2022-08-13 11:38:18	Vorpal	artefact: I presume that maybe X11 doesn't have mappings for some of the keys that don't generate anything
2022-08-13 11:38:33	Vorpal	like the zoom keys, or the enable/disable touchpad key
2022-08-13 11:39:01	Vorpal	also for some reasom two of the buttons seem to be mapped to the windows key?
2022-08-13 11:39:10	Vorpal	or maybe windows+something, that would make more sense
2022-08-13 11:42:19	Vorpal	huh, both of the two weird buttons are mapped to windows+x? Thats... Odd. How does windows tell them apart then?
2022-08-13 11:43:11	linuxkarl	with evil ms magic
2022-08-13 11:43:35	Vorpal	well, more likely evil magic in the toshiba driver
2022-08-13 11:45:45	artefact	some keyboard firmwares just hardcode some combinations
2022-08-13 11:46:15	artefact	eg on a typematrix 2030 the "lock screen" fn key just sends lmeta+l
2022-08-13 11:47:47	Vorpal	interesting. Here all the Fn+whatever keys send *something*. However there are four "dedicated" hardware buttons: power, enable/disable touchpad, "eco mode", and projector.
2022-08-13 11:48:26	Vorpal	power works properly (as expected). enable/disable touchpad does nothing on any of the inputs (nor does it actually affect the touchpad directly from bios)
2022-08-13 11:48:35	artefact	eventually i gave up and just bought something that runs qmk. wasn't easy to find one not ridiculously priced with a layout i wanted
2022-08-13 11:48:37	Vorpal	eco mode and projector both appear as windows+x
2022-08-13 11:49:47	Vorpal	artefact: I have perfectly good laptops (thinkpads) that are way newer, that I daily drive. This is more of a learning exercise in hardware debugging and (eventually, hopefully) kernel coding
2022-08-13 11:50:40	Vorpal	so the point of the exercise is not to find an alternative, the point of it is to figure if out, improve the linux support and document the quirks
2022-08-13 11:54:01	Vorpal	is there any low level tool to format the output of /dev/input/eventN directly? I do seem to be getting different data from the two buttons that "xinput test" both think are windows+x. However I also get different data from run to run, so I assume there is some timestamp or something that changes
2022-08-13 11:55:06	artefact	again, evtest(1)
2022-08-13 11:55:17	Vorpal	oh I didn't see you mention that one, sorry
2022-08-13 11:55:19	Vorpal	my bad
2022-08-13 12:30:25	GuiToris	hey, does anyone use gnome? what is the name of the command for Keyboard Shortcuts?
2022-08-13 12:30:54	GuiToris	I don't have gnome here and I can't find it on the internet
2022-08-13 12:33:18	coruja	https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/keyboard-shortcuts-set.html.en
2022-08-13 12:33:21	phrik	Title: Set keyboard shortcuts (at help.gnome.org)
2022-08-13 12:34:41	GuiToris	this is not what I meant. What command should I type in to open keyboard shortcuts?
2022-08-13 12:41:47	glitsj16	gnome-control-center keyboard ? is that what you need?
2022-08-13 12:42:37	GuiToris	I don't know, hopefully, the work machine doesn't have auto completion
2022-08-13 12:42:40	GuiToris	thank you I'll try it
2022-08-13 12:43:06	glitsj16	np
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2022-08-13 19:16:23	throstur	is access time really that important??
2022-08-13 19:16:57	throstur	my genfstab also didn't make an entry for m2-home, I can fix that later, but is that something to be worried about yet?
2022-08-13 19:23:58	astralc	it is the loop from file?
2022-08-13 19:25:35	throstur	no, it's an empty lv partition that I plan to put /home on
2022-08-13 19:25:41	throstur	I'll just do it when I get to creating users
2022-08-13 19:27:10	astralc	it was mounted inside /mnt when you run genfstab?
2022-08-13 19:28:25	throstur	oh, it wasn't thanks! that'll save me a lot of time later
2022-08-13 19:38:19	throstur	I still trust you more than the internet, but if anything the internet seems to like noatime a lot
2022-08-13 19:45:04	throstur	argh, I still don't see my new ssd in the hard drive BBS priorities list in the bios
2022-08-13 19:45:23	throstur	who took all the cheese??
2022-08-13 19:46:41	throstur	what are my chances on this 2nd try that I just need to plug my m2 in a bit better?
2022-08-13 19:46:49	throstur	I must have made a mistake right?
2022-08-13 19:52:18	astralc	what is bbs priorities? boot order?
2022-08-13 19:52:26	astralc	also no uefi?
2022-08-13 19:54:08	throstur	jkc told me to forget about uefi, I have uefi but I have windows on /dev/sda2
2022-08-13 19:54:22	throstur	I can start over though, I'm totally up for trying this again and again until it works
2022-08-13 19:54:52	throstur	and yes to answer your first q
2022-08-13 19:55:02	Scimmia	if you're booting Windows BIOS, forget UEFI
2022-08-13 19:55:13	Scimmia	but why would you be booting Windows BIOS?
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2022-08-13 19:56:58	Scimmia	also means you're stuck with MBR on that disk
2022-08-13 19:57:33	throstur	I don't know, this computer is so old, life happened and I'm back here
2022-08-13 19:57:55	throstur	but /dev/sda is just a 256g sdd for windows and I can always get to it from bios anyway
2022-08-13 19:58:09	throstur	so I don't want to touch it, just wanna fix up my new arch disk
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2022-08-13 19:59:05	Scimmia	so how did you install your bootloader?
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2022-08-13 19:59:32	throstur	I pretty much just followed the instructions, grub-install and grub-mkconfig, with some os-prober and mounting in between
2022-08-13 19:59:49	Scimmia	specifically
2022-08-13 19:59:51	astralc	you can do uefi boot and bios boot if csm is enabled, but then you need the bios boot menu too select
2022-08-13 20:00:22	Scimmia	that's very dependent on the firmware. A lot of them won't do that
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2022-08-13 20:00:51	astralc	I don't remember is grub changed the default behavior or automatically know if to use bios or uefi install
2022-08-13 20:01:07	throstur	specifically? let's see... after setting up my disk and lvm where disk is nvme with 2 partitions, 1 of which is 1M and the rest is the rest, the lvms are 80 and 500 gigs / and /home
2022-08-13 20:01:27	astralc	the grub commands you used
2022-08-13 20:01:48	throstur	I mounted /dev/mapper/m2-root to /mnt and /dev/mapper/m2-home to /mnt/home, I pacstrapped a couple of times, chrooting in between, because I forgot things like grub, os-prober, intel-ucode
2022-08-13 20:02:30	astralc	(you can install with pacman inside the chroot)
2022-08-13 20:02:55	throstur	and err... uncommented that last line in /etc/default/grub to enable os-prober, I made the grub config after running os prober
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2022-08-13 20:03:13	throstur	astralc: for some reason I don't resolve hosts from inside the chroot, but I'm running on a partially setup persistent arch usb
2022-08-13 20:03:19	throstur	I wanna finish this disk thing
2022-08-13 20:03:21	astralc	did you used --target in grub-install?
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2022-08-13 20:03:34	throstur	yes, I used that i386 one this time
2022-08-13 20:03:42	throstur	but when I tried the UEFI method I did x86-64 ofc
2022-08-13 20:03:48	Scimmia	all of that and still didn't answer the question
2022-08-13 20:03:49	throstur	x86_64-efi
2022-08-13 20:03:50	Scimmia	!bail
2022-08-13 20:03:50	phrik	Looks like Scimmia is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-08-13 20:04:14	throstur	Scimmia: so... I didn't install the bootloader?
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2022-08-13 20:04:48	throstur	I thought grub-install installed the bootloader and all the grub-mkconfig stuff was just for configuring it
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2022-08-13 20:06:09	petronny	you need set --efi-directory=/efi and so on for uefi install
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2022-08-13 20:06:32	throstur	yeah... I did all that on the first run, this second run I'm trying without an ESP
2022-08-13 20:06:36	astralc	your command was 'grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sdX'?
2022-08-13 20:06:49	throstur	astralc: yes but /dev/nvme0n1
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2022-08-13 20:07:35	astralc	and when you boot your computer you can select a disk to boot from?
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2022-08-13 20:08:16	astralc	(in the configuration menu or boot menu, however you use it in your pc)
2022-08-13 20:08:18	throstur	my bios settings, you know motherboard settings, allows me to select all the disks except my new m2
2022-08-13 20:08:34	throstur	right now, I have my usb set to priority #1, windows priroity #2, because the other disks are just storage
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2022-08-13 20:08:45	throstur	I would like to find my m2 ssd to put that as priority #1
2022-08-13 20:09:04	throstur	my usb has grub on it and that works, it is partitioned like 1M 300M REST with /boot /efi /
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2022-08-13 20:11:56	astralc	is legacy boot supported on nvme? I never checked
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2022-08-13 20:12:58	throstur	see, this is the part I always struggle with, but arch without all the normal bloatware from elsewhere is worth it
2022-08-13 20:13:16	throstur	I don't actually understand how the motherboard knows where to boot, I've never seen the code, I can't visualize it
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2022-08-13 20:15:52	throstur	but what I don't understand is why I can set up a USB exactly like my SSD but the SSD doesn't show up in the boot menu
2022-08-13 20:15:54	astralc	with UEFI - it have boot entries add, pointing to EFI partition programs
2022-08-13 20:17:14	artefact	usually you choose which device to boot from from in the firmware boot menu
2022-08-13 20:17:25	throstur	yes!! my problem is I can't find my new disk!
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2022-08-13 20:17:42	throstur	the firmware shows the disk is installed, but it doesn't "look like a disk" or something, I can't try to boot from it
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2022-08-13 20:18:44	artefact	sata?
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2022-08-13 20:19:19	throstur	m.2
2022-08-13 20:19:33	artefact	sata?
2022-08-13 20:19:45	artefact	anyway, try disabling csm maybe
2022-08-13 20:20:10	throstur	what does that mean? what is a csm?
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2022-08-13 20:21:49	astralc	.... you don't have sata m.2, because it is found as nvme
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2022-08-13 20:22:00	astralc	different tech, same connector
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2022-08-13 20:22:53	throstur	I'm way out of my comfort zone here, I don't know what any of this means, I plugged it in, I fastened the screw, I did the software stuff, what am I missing?
2022-08-13 20:22:57	sheep	compatibility service module. it's what lets a UEFI system act as BIOS
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2022-08-13 20:26:39	kuhilas	trying to install kotatogram, but  bluez-libs-5.65-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst failed to download getting 404 error on all servers, what do?
2022-08-13 20:26:50	sheep	kuhilas: pacman -Syu
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2022-08-13 20:27:05	sheep	arch removes old versions of packages from the mirrors when they're updated
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2022-08-13 20:27:52	kuhilas	ah, I was installing an aur package but yeh that particular package is from official
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2022-08-14 13:16:44	CBke	!paste
2022-08-14 13:16:44	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-08-14 13:19:58	CBke	kernel 5.19.1-arch2-1 does not play nice with my old nvidia:  dkms install --no-depmod nvidia/470.129.06 -k 5.19.1-arch2-1' exited 10   http://ix.io/47yZ
2022-08-14 13:21:47	CBke	i'm not sure how to solve the build of module nvidia-uvm.ko.zst
2022-08-14 13:26:59	CBke	not sure if https://gist.github.com/joanbm/d630a02dde00bf087f64091d331f6dbb could help, or how to test it
2022-08-14 13:32:19	Namarrgon	CBke: is this from the nvidia forums?
2022-08-14 13:35:07	Namarrgon	your 470xx-dkms package is out of date, update that first
2022-08-14 13:35:48	CBke	@Namarrgon, i found the link here http://rglinuxtech.com/?p=3038
2022-08-14 13:37:01	WhyNotHugo	How can I list packages that are neither explicit, nor mandatory-dependencies (e.g.: packages that are installed "asdeps", but are only optdepends to other packages).
2022-08-14 13:43:36	CBke	@Namarrgon, like a charmm thx
2022-08-14 13:46:26	CBke	@Namarrgon, thank you running 5.19.1 as we speak ;-)
2022-08-14 13:46:41	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-08-14 13:46:44	Namarrgon	np
2022-08-14 13:46:49	Namarrgon	WhyNotHugo: pacman -Qh
2022-08-14 13:47:27	WhyNotHugo	Namarrgon: That's just the help
2022-08-14 13:47:57	Namarrgon	and it lists the flags you need to get what you want
2022-08-14 13:48:14	WhyNotHugo	I'm not seeing what combination of flags would list only these.
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2022-08-14 13:48:32	WhyNotHugo	I obviously looked at the flags before asking.
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2022-08-14 13:50:39	Namarrgon	you want packages that are marked as-deps, while being unrequired by other packages (ignoring opt-deps)
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2022-08-14 13:51:08	WhyNotHugo	`pacman -Qttd` would seem close, but it doesn't actually list those.
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2022-08-14 13:51:40	Namarrgon	which package does it not match?
2022-08-14 13:52:24	WhyNotHugo	I guess that's what I should be figuring out first.
2022-08-14 13:52:41	Namarrgon	how do you know that -Qttd doesn't work then?
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2022-08-14 13:53:53	Namarrgon	keep -Qi-ing samples of the result until you're confident
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2022-08-14 13:16:44	CBke	!paste
2022-08-14 13:16:44	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-08-14 13:19:58	CBke	kernel 5.19.1-arch2-1 does not play nice with my old nvidia:  dkms install --no-depmod nvidia/470.129.06 -k 5.19.1-arch2-1' exited 10   http://ix.io/47yZ
2022-08-14 13:21:47	CBke	i'm not sure how to solve the build of module nvidia-uvm.ko.zst
2022-08-14 13:26:59	CBke	not sure if https://gist.github.com/joanbm/d630a02dde00bf087f64091d331f6dbb could help, or how to test it
2022-08-14 13:32:19	Namarrgon	CBke: is this from the nvidia forums?
2022-08-14 13:35:07	Namarrgon	your 470xx-dkms package is out of date, update that first
2022-08-14 13:35:48	CBke	@Namarrgon, i found the link here http://rglinuxtech.com/?p=3038
2022-08-14 13:37:01	WhyNotHugo	How can I list packages that are neither explicit, nor mandatory-dependencies (e.g.: packages that are installed "asdeps", but are only optdepends to other packages).
2022-08-14 13:43:36	CBke	@Namarrgon, like a charmm thx
2022-08-14 13:46:26	CBke	@Namarrgon, thank you running 5.19.1 as we speak ;-)
2022-08-14 13:46:32	Namarrgon	np
2022-08-14 13:46:37	Namarrgon	WhyNotHugo: pacman -Qh
2022-08-14 13:47:15	WhyNotHugo	Namarrgon: That's just the help
2022-08-14 13:47:45	Namarrgon	and it lists the flags you need to get what you want
2022-08-14 13:48:02	WhyNotHugo	I'm not seeing what combination of flags would list only these.
2022-08-14 13:48:21	WhyNotHugo	I obviously looked at the flags before asking.
2022-08-14 13:49:20	Namarrgon	you want packages that are marked as-deps, while being unrequired by other packages (ignoring opt-deps)
2022-08-14 13:50:56	WhyNotHugo	`pacman -Qttd` would seem close, but it doesn't actually list those.
2022-08-14 13:51:28	Namarrgon	which package does it not match?
2022-08-14 13:52:12	WhyNotHugo	I guess that's what I should be figuring out first.
2022-08-14 13:52:29	Namarrgon	how do you know that -Qttd doesn't work then?
2022-08-14 13:53:41	Namarrgon	keep -Qi-ing samples of the result until you're confident
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2022-08-14 14:19:35	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-08-14 14:19:37	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-08-14 14:19:37	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-08-14 14:21:55	predicament	can i show a paste?
2022-08-14 14:22:11	Namarrgon	only if it is on-topic
2022-08-14 14:22:17	predicament	it would be i believe.
2022-08-14 14:22:38	◣	Brion (~Brion@gateway/tor-sasl/brion) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-08-14 14:22:45	predicament	!paste
2022-08-14 14:22:46	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-08-14 14:23:04	predicament	https://bpa.st/B5SQ
2022-08-14 14:23:05	phrik	Title: View paste B5SQ (at bpa.st)
2022-08-14 14:23:26	predicament	that's on my desktop + server since it's my home crap.
2022-08-14 14:23:35	◣	ty3r0x_ (~ty3r0x@user/ty3r0x) ha salido (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2022-08-14 14:24:02	predicament	it's not a huge deal atm.. i have to install proprietary nvidia (390 version)
2022-08-14 14:24:17	predicament	i just wanted to show that in case it could help somehow for anyone else
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2022-08-14 14:24:34	predicament	between that and the answer.
2022-08-14 14:25:06	predicament	btw, thats the make.log
2022-08-14 14:25:11	predicament	sorry i didnt specify that
2022-08-14 14:25:35	Namarrgon	you are building ntfs3 for the 5.18 kernel via dkms?
2022-08-14 14:26:15	◣	Visne (~Visne@g107178.upc-g.chello.nl) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-08-14 14:26:15	predicament	i just wanted to simply mount it, and yes i was able to
2022-08-14 14:26:23	Namarrgon	is the native ntfs3 module disabled in the hardened kernel or why are you doing this?
2022-08-14 14:26:37	predicament	why am i doing this?  I like the hardened kernel
2022-08-14 14:26:41	predicament	thats all.
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2022-08-14 14:27:10	Namarrgon	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/linux-hardened/trunk/config#L9680
2022-08-14 14:27:26	predicament	yeah im thinking the compiler
2022-08-14 14:27:34	predicament	oh
2022-08-14 14:27:37	predicament	looky look
2022-08-14 14:27:38	AlexC	:>
2022-08-14 14:27:46	AlexC	feel da pain and tears
2022-08-14 14:28:09	predicament	it works with the reg linux kernel so im not losing my shit, its just weird.
2022-08-14 14:28:23	Namarrgon	what works with the regular linux kernel?
2022-08-14 14:28:37	predicament	my mounted ntfs drive
2022-08-14 14:28:49	Namarrgon	are you senselessly rebuilding ntfs3 for that, too?
2022-08-14 14:28:53	predicament	with hardened i have to do what you just said
2022-08-14 14:28:55	predicament	senselessly
2022-08-14 14:28:57	jelle	predicament: what "regular" kernel?
2022-08-14 14:28:59	predicament	wow.  it's an NTFS drive
2022-08-14 14:29:04	predicament	regular as in linux
2022-08-14 14:29:10	jelle	predicament: what version
2022-08-14 14:29:11	predicament	thats all, the normal typical kernel
2022-08-14 14:29:27	predicament	latest, 5.19
2022-08-14 14:29:33	predicament	or 5.19.1 i'd have to look
2022-08-14 14:29:35	Namarrgon	do you understand that ntfs3 is already supported by both kernels on arch?
2022-08-14 14:29:50	Namarrgon	ntfs3 was merged in 5.15 or so
2022-08-14 14:29:53	predicament	yes.  it told me it wasn't installed and to install ntfs-3g and i usually do that with normal practice anyway
2022-08-14 14:29:59	predicament	3g isnt 3
2022-08-14 14:30:10	predicament	unless its what you meant
2022-08-14 14:30:20	jelle	predicament: what told you..
2022-08-14 14:30:24	Namarrgon	no, i didn't mean ntfs3g
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2022-08-14 14:30:40	Namarrgon	your log doesn't show you building ntfs3g either since that isn't a kernel module
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2022-08-14 14:30:53	predicament	okay thanks
2022-08-14 14:31:09	Namarrgon	problem solved?
2022-08-14 14:31:11	jelle	predicament: how are you trying to mount your drive? Come back when you have explained that
2022-08-14 14:31:19	predicament	fstab
2022-08-14 14:31:21	predicament	uuid.
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2022-08-14 14:51:52	charlie5	hi all ... trying to build tensorflow from source using makepkg and the PKGFILE obtained via 'asp checkout tensorflow-cuda'
2022-08-14 14:52:05	charlie5	it builds to a point at which i get ...
2022-08-14 14:52:23	charlie5	Repository rule cuda_configure defined at:
2022-08-14 14:52:23	charlie5	  /tmp/makepkg/tensorflow/src/tensorflow-2.9.1-cuda/third_party/gpus/cuda_configure.bzl:1448:33: in <toplevel>
2022-08-14 14:52:23	charlie5	ERROR: An error occurred during the fetch of repository 'local_config_cuda':
2022-08-14 14:52:31	charlie5	.
2022-08-14 14:53:39	charlie5	i'd thought that all standard (ie non-aur) packages should build ok
2022-08-14 14:54:14	charlie5	guess not tho :/
2022-08-14 14:54:50	predicament	hold on
2022-08-14 14:55:01	charlie5	(i'm trying to rebuild to see if that might cure a segfault problem when i import tensorflow in python)
2022-08-14 14:55:23	jelle	charlie5: not all packages in the repo are guarranteed to build sadly as dependencies change etc.
2022-08-14 14:56:18	charlie5	jelle: ah ok, thanks
2022-08-14 14:56:41	charlie5	tf seems to be pretty compilcated in terms of deps
2022-08-14 14:57:12	jelle	charlie5: but it seems bazel is also pulling in things
2022-08-14 14:57:24	jelle	which makes it more undeterministic
2022-08-14 14:57:38	jelle	https://github.com/tensorflow/tensorflow/issues/33879 hah
2022-08-14 14:58:48	jelle	charlie5: did you re-try and see if it's a network issue?
2022-08-14 14:59:09	charlie5	yes ... 3 times :)
2022-08-14 14:59:43	charlie5	i found that bug report but it had no solution (and is several years old)
2022-08-14 15:00:49	predicament	I had a similar problem charlie5 awhile ago, it worked on older kernels only, heh.  but eventually that got fixed (nvidia).
2022-08-14 15:01:46	charlie5	predicament: another bloke tried my problem and could not reproduce :(
2022-08-14 15:02:00	charlie5	i have 2 nvidia gpu's (recent ones)
2022-08-14 15:02:12	charlie5	i wonder if that might contribute to the prob
2022-08-14 15:02:59	charlie5	(2 x NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060)
2022-08-14 15:03:47	charlie5	wondering if i should submit a bug report or not ... esp since the other bloke could not reproduce
2022-08-14 15:04:08	predicament	interesting.
2022-08-14 15:04:31	predicament	thats a cool set of cards
2022-08-14 15:04:32	charlie5	hmm, the prob does not occur in ubuntu 22.04 LTS
2022-08-14 15:04:43	predicament	correct.
2022-08-14 15:04:48	charlie5	but i really don't want to have to switch to ubu
2022-08-14 15:04:53	predicament	or linux mint which is ubuntu basically
2022-08-14 15:04:59	predicament	you don't gotta switch
2022-08-14 15:05:36	predicament	you said python.. python 2.x or 3?
2022-08-14 15:05:45	charlie5	you mean use a qemu box ?
2022-08-14 15:05:56	charlie5	python3
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2022-08-14 15:24:05	kevku	in 720p maybe
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2022-08-14 15:24:44	Elon_Satoshi	What do you mean?
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2022-08-14 15:55:21	throstur	I'm having some trouble understanding how pacman decides what to show me, I can pacman -S naev, but I can't pacman -Qi it (haven't installed it yet), how do I get information about uninstalled packages?
2022-08-14 15:55:42	Scimmia	throstur: see -Sh
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2022-08-14 16:16:02	yitz	http://ix.io/47zC When I do a pacman -Syu, it asks if I want to import `PGP key 139B09DA5BF0D338, "David Runge <dvzrv@archlinux.org>"`. If I say no, upgrade fails. If I say yes, it says it cannot look up the key remotely. How do I fix?
2022-08-14 16:16:51	bookworm	yitz: run pacman -S archlinux-keyring first
2022-08-14 16:16:53	YamatoHD	so how is Wayland on Nvidia nowadays?
2022-08-14 16:17:42	bookworm	but wait a sec, the key should be resolvable via wkd?
2022-08-14 16:18:59	yitz	bookworm: Uh. Not sure what wkd is but my keyring is now updated and things are unstuck. Thanks!
2022-08-14 16:25:39	predicament	Namarrgon
2022-08-14 16:25:48	bookworm	web key directory... owners of a domain can essentially publish keys by putting them in a well known location 
2022-08-14 16:26:34	ayekat	tbh I'm getting `error: key "139B09DA5BF0D338" could not be looked up remotely` as well after hitting yes :-/
2022-08-14 16:27:04	predicament	oh shit.
2022-08-14 16:27:11	ayekat	anything I can do to debug this to get some more useful data for involved people before I pull out the `pacman -S archlinux-keyring` hammer to justmakeitwerk?
2022-08-14 16:27:32	predicament	you should just install the keyring
2022-08-14 16:27:43	predicament	pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
2022-08-14 16:27:57	ayekat	predicament: yeah- that would solve the issue right now, but I'm more interested in finding a solution to the actual cause of this issue
2022-08-14 16:28:04	predicament	fair enough
2022-08-14 16:28:09	predicament	you know your fix then
2022-08-14 16:28:11	jelle	ayekat: solution is that pacman's wkd import actually works ;-)
2022-08-14 16:28:17	predicament	^
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2022-08-14 16:53:38	predicament	:(
2022-08-14 16:55:59	Shapeshifter	I want to use a modified keyboard layout and it should work even if the keyboard is replugged. I managed to make my desired changes both using xmodmap or xkbcomp, but in both cases, it doesn't persist across replugging. Most places say to edit /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/... but I don't see how that's right. I would want to make my changes somewhere local, say $home/.xkb/ but it doesn´t work.
2022-08-14 16:55:59	Shapeshifter	E.g. 
2022-08-14 16:56:05	Shapeshifter	I cp /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/us .home/.xkb/symbols/us then edit that file to rename the intl variant to say foobar, then setxkbmap us foobar says ¨Error loading new keyboard description¨
2022-08-14 16:56:41	ayekat	I just maintain my variant in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/foobar
2022-08-14 16:58:00	predicament	lightdm greeter restarts itself after I log in correctly... if i try logging in with the hardened kernel it just freezes.  thats interesting.  and no i have no current logs since it's on a GUI
2022-08-14 16:59:07	predicament	well, rather, it's on another box.  i'm on IRC on my laptop.  I could take pictures.. i suppose.
2022-08-14 17:00:45	Scimmia	'greeter restarts itself' usually means that whatever you're trying to start crashed
2022-08-14 17:01:00	predicament	i just fixed it i think.
2022-08-14 17:01:23	predicament	it thought my hostname was something else, and yes that was changed.
2022-08-14 17:01:31	predicament	so i hostnamectl'd
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2022-08-14 17:23:29	ayekat	phonemic: do you want to shred a file on an ext4 fs or a volume/partition that contains an ext4 fs?
2022-08-14 17:24:47	ayekat	note that the journaling is a filesystem feature (so shredding a file on a journaled fs doesn't really do much), but if you intend to shred the filesystem *itself*, the journaling doesn't matter
2022-08-14 17:25:07	predicament	it's the make, it says 'consult' and shows the directory and log, so i uploaded it, and Namarrgon gave me this link:  https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/linux-hardened/trunk/config#L9680 -- that tells me it might be my compiler, because it built just 4 days ago.
2022-08-14 17:25:31	predicament	so immediately i knew i can't troubleshoot this.
2022-08-14 17:25:58	klmn	how can I change lightness/boldness for ubuntu font family
2022-08-14 17:26:12	predicament	i give up
2022-08-14 17:26:25	predicament	no one's gonna help now lol
2022-08-14 17:26:40	artefact	klmn: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Font_configuration#Custom_settings_for_certain_fonts_or_font_styles
2022-08-14 17:26:41	phrik	Title: Font configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-14 17:26:51	predicament	yeah its in the wiki
2022-08-14 17:27:11	Scimmia	predicament: well after scrolling back for hours, it's failing to build the ntfs3 module, which you don't need
2022-08-14 17:27:55	predicament	yes ntfs3. i have ntfs3g as well and didnt see there was a missing g
2022-08-14 17:28:04	predicament	oops.
2022-08-14 17:28:27	throstur	you'll want that if you have windows that uses some of your internal drives for storage and want to access those from linux
2022-08-14 17:28:27	Scimmia	ntfs3 was merged upstream, you're trying to build a module that you already have
2022-08-14 17:28:51	predicament	hang on
2022-08-14 17:29:14	predicament	not found: ntfs3
2022-08-14 17:29:16	predicament	wow
2022-08-14 17:29:35	predicament	thats because ntfs3-dkms
2022-08-14 17:29:40	predicament	that one is installed
2022-08-14 17:29:56	predicament	so i'll uninstall that and see how this goes.
2022-08-14 17:30:40	predicament	removed
2022-08-14 17:30:56	predicament	Trying a build.  might take a bit.
2022-08-14 17:31:13	throstur	I followed the instructions in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PulseAudio#X11_Bell_Events but I don't hear anything when I should hear it (like hammering ESC in vim or backspace in zsh), my sample is a .wav file that paplay can play but it's stored in /store/sounds which should have very liberal permissions, how do I pinpoint what the problem is?
2022-08-14 17:31:15	phrik	Title: PulseAudio - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-14 17:32:55	predicament	so far no errors..
2022-08-14 17:33:26	throstur	nevermind, it's my alacritty that's squashing it
2022-08-14 17:34:00	predicament	Scimmia, still building
2022-08-14 17:34:07	predicament	just not ntfs3-dkms
2022-08-14 17:34:31	predicament	yay.
2022-08-14 17:34:51	predicament	Scimmia, thank you
2022-08-14 17:35:15	predicament	i didnt see the g that doesn't exist
2022-08-14 17:35:18	predicament	no wonder.
2022-08-14 17:35:57	predicament	or rahter, i just thought I did.  i keep bell events on but i dont like it if i'm backspacing lol
2022-08-14 17:37:50	predicament	also, when I reboot it doest even show a shutdown.  my NVME shows a shutdown and the whole boot process or in this case, shut down process
2022-08-14 17:38:38	predicament	it just reboots immediately, like almost a hard power?
2022-08-14 17:38:52	predicament	its weird, it wasn't doing that earlier.  and i have "quiet" removed in grub
2022-08-14 17:39:59	klmn	uwaw, wayland has come a long way
2022-08-14 17:40:15	predicament	heh
2022-08-14 17:40:18	predicament	explain
2022-08-14 17:40:30	predicament	(yes it has)
2022-08-14 17:44:45	klmn	1. simple configuration, 2. compositors works nicely, 3. solution to every problem on X is a janky workaround
2022-08-14 17:47:31	predicament	you aren't wrong
2022-08-14 17:47:35	predicament	I use X
2022-08-14 17:47:45	predicament	its my only choice.
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2022-08-14 18:13:06	artefact	i love x
2022-08-14 18:14:53	artefact	also they have one of the few one-letter domain names. that's something
2022-08-14 18:16:20	JTL	artefact: iirc ICANN reserved all one letter .com and .net domains at one point in time
2022-08-14 18:16:27	JTL	don't think the same applied to .ORG
2022-08-14 18:16:34	JTL	having said that, it's still noteworthly
2022-08-14 18:30:55	nurotic	I can't get the u/e0b2 powerline symbol to show up in qtile 
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2022-08-15 20:17:40	amixra	hello there once again I hope it is now what it was supposed to be https://paste.rs/UIV
2022-08-15 20:18:35	Namarrgon	packaged binaries usually go into /usr/bin
2022-08-15 20:18:45	Namarrgon	*executables
2022-08-15 20:19:37	amixra	i have heard this long ago somewhere else that /usr/local/bin is for user installed binaries
2022-08-15 20:19:55	BrainDamage	but you're writing a package
2022-08-15 20:19:56	Namarrgon	yes, when you e.g. "make install" something
2022-08-15 20:20:05	BrainDamage	a package makes it not user-installed
2022-08-15 20:20:26	amixra	oh thanks
2022-08-15 20:20:36	BrainDamage	moreover, you're packaging a single file, it won't work
2022-08-15 20:20:40	BrainDamage	you need to package all of them
2022-08-15 20:21:11	BrainDamage	but it's a step in the right direction
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2022-08-15 20:21:53	BrainDamage	well, all the python files
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2022-08-15 20:22:06	BrainDamage	also, they don't all go to the bin dir, in fact, they should all go to a module dir
2022-08-15 20:22:29	BrainDamage	you picked an extremely unfortunate piece of program for your starting package
2022-08-15 20:22:43	BrainDamage	because it doesn't have a procedure for auto installation you can leverage
2022-08-15 20:23:15	Namarrgon	my chinese is a bit rusty but is that a fork of edx-dl?
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2022-08-15 20:24:04	amixra	not a fork but similar script because edx api endpoints are all changed
2022-08-15 20:24:36	amixra	i don't know chinese i use google translate
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2022-08-19 17:49:32	edt	nothing critical is on the box - guess I will just reinstall.
2022-08-19 17:50:10	glitsj16	edt: have you tried another login manager yet? like lightdm for example?
2022-08-19 17:50:55	edt	glitsj16 let me see what happens if I start kde manually
2022-08-19 17:51:30	ponies	login managers break and this is why i dont use them 
2022-08-19 17:51:45	glitsj16	edt: anything that will throw some output to get a view on what happens would help
2022-08-19 17:51:56	etra0	hello, I'm having bluetooth audio issues, lol. currently I have two devices connected -- headphones and a trackpad. The headphones are using the A2DP sink, and they work perfectly fine if I only use the headphones through bluetooth, but as soon as I use the trackpad while listening music, it start to sound with crackling. Any clues where I could look at? a quick google didn't show any good
2022-08-19 17:51:56	etra0	results.
2022-08-19 17:53:57	etra0	!paste
2022-08-19 17:53:57	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-08-19 17:55:34	edt	well its not the session manager.  starting either X or wayland manually triggers the reboot.
2022-08-19 17:57:47	edt	ponies did that for 2 decades.  login managers have gotten better and alt+f2 gets you a console with sddm.  And in this case is the starting kde not the login manager that is the problem.
2022-08-19 18:01:32	edt	etra0 there are reports that some dongles have problems like that - I use sabrent bluetooth 4.0 dongle here and it even lets me connect an xbox trackpad and headphones without problems
2022-08-19 18:04:20	edt	with LE support (which is what the xbox controller needed)
2022-08-19 18:21:36	rdbeni0	Hi all, i recently changes my ThinkPad to new one (Intel > AMD). New version is not running 1280x1024/1024x768 in widescreen mode (only in hard 4:3, so i have black big belts on right and left). Is there any possibility to force xrandr to run 4:3 resolutions in widescreen mode?
2022-08-19 18:34:24	gehidore	you'd have to talk to xorg and possibly add the resolution you're after
2022-08-19 18:37:08	gehidore	rdbeni0 https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/xrandr#Adding_undetected_resolutions
2022-08-19 18:37:09	phrik	Title: xrandr - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-19 18:37:33	rdbeni0	hmm, thanks, but can i add widescreen resolution? i my problem is 4:3 vs widescreen
2022-08-19 18:37:43	rdbeni0	so i would like to have 1280x1024 in widescreen mode :)
2022-08-19 18:39:22	gehidore	that will stretch everything 
2022-08-19 18:40:16	etra0	edt, for some reason changing the codec from LDAC to aptx HD solved the crackling. I guess I don't need 32bit audio (doubt my current music is even that wide so)
2022-08-19 18:59:03	artefact	what do you mean, you don't need over 200 dBs of dynamic range? are you even *listening* to music? ;-)
2022-08-19 19:07:39	etra0	haha, eventually want to upgrade the sound system, but that's not a job for today :D 
2022-08-19 19:20:57	susi	I want i3status-rust (-rs) to not display MEM/CPU/VOL etc texts for blocks, but can't I do anything but use custom blocks? 
2022-08-19 19:55:40	susi	for whatever reason, I can not get command = "curl wttr.in/foo" in a custom block  to show anything in i3status-rs custom block :S
2022-08-19 20:14:18	susi	if I set command = "foo.sh", and foo.sh curls, then it displays the output
2022-08-19 21:37:52	jocke-l	etra0: your ears won't even hear the difference between 16 bits and 24 bits no matter how good your sound system is (sound card, transmission, speakers, environment). That being said, anything > 16 bits is only useful as headroom for sound processing
2022-08-19 21:39:19	jocke-l	i.e. the end result of some processing is more accurate, the higher the resolution is.
2022-08-19 21:39:45	pulec	bit unrelated but appropriate: anyone has experience with load balancing 2 WAN connection (e.g. 100mbit vdsl and 20mbit wifi) into one connection? either via one router mikrotik or specialized router with hardware load balancing (2 wans input)
2022-08-19 21:40:38	pulec	I got it setup on my mikrotik but it only switches between the connection, plus some funky thing is happening, like https://myip.wtf/ reporting ipv6 for vdsl router but ipv4 for wifi router
2022-08-19 21:40:40	phrik	Title: WTF is my IP?!?!?? (at myip.wtf)
2022-08-19 21:41:09	pulec	I wonder if regular pc with 2 net interfaces and decent masquerade setup would do better
2022-08-19 21:42:15	jocke-l	pulec: you can't unless both WAN's have the same IP address.
2022-08-19 21:42:52	jocke-l	which is only really possible if you're an ISP (if you want to do it through internet at least).
2022-08-19 21:44:45	pulec	well nah I can't connect 2 different ISPs into one :D
2022-08-19 21:45:32	pulec	oh well, I have 2 subnets in house so at least I can split it somehow and setup some mikrotik logic to switch to specific load if there is high enough demand...
2022-08-19 21:45:39	pulec	networking is not fun
2022-08-19 21:47:36	jocke-l	pulec: what you might be able to pull off is to choose the interface used for a connection based on some logic (round robin, currently least untilized etc) . but that isn't really load balancing. :P
2022-08-19 21:47:44	jocke-l	pulec: is that what you want?
2022-08-19 21:50:27	lolok	if the wifi isp will let packets egress its network with sender ip that does not originate from within its network [it shouldnt but many do] you can make your own duplex where you use the faster vdsl for download
2022-08-19 21:53:44	jocke-l	you might also be able to use a gateway out on the internet (vps or whatever) and then establish a VPN connetion from both your WAN interfaces
2022-08-19 21:56:14	pulec	first things first
2022-08-19 21:56:46	pulec	I accidentally targeted a notebook in the network instead of the vdsl router
2022-08-19 21:56:49	jocke-l	then you can do some magic to make your WAN VPN's act as a single unit. and that single unit is what you'll use as the gateway
2022-08-19 21:56:55	pulec	I still need to understand how this all works
2022-08-19 21:57:08	pulec	yeah that's like lvl60 stuff lol
2022-08-19 21:58:54	jocke-l	but then, part of load balancing is redundancy. that provides redunancy on your local network, but the VPS is a single point of failure
2022-08-19 21:59:17	jocke-l	if it dies, both your internet links dies, basically.
2022-08-19 21:59:48	drop	Can anyone figure out why my backup script (http://ix.io/484I) doesn't work anymore? This is what happens when I run it: http://ix.io/484K.
2022-08-19 22:05:15	pulec	this is funky
2022-08-19 22:05:30	pulec	it's like ivp4 runs through one network and ipv6 trough other
2022-08-19 22:05:36	jocke-l	lolok: hah, that's very unlikely. the reason why ISP drops that kind of packages is that it is very easy to do DoS attacks, even with potential snowball effect.
2022-08-19 22:07:30	jocke-l	lolok: that is, you pretent to be some other on the internet, you can send the packages out, but the computer you pretend to be will get it. and potentially even process it it's a UDP protocol for example.
2022-08-19 22:08:19	lolok	jocke-l they defiantly should but if you ever had to manage a quake server [which the status reply is used to reflect and amplify dos into ddos] you would know that in fact there are many that dont
2022-08-19 22:08:34	artefact	ntp was also popular
2022-08-19 22:09:12	jocke-l	i did manage a CoD4 server way back. i got complaints from my vps provider a few times :P
2022-08-19 22:10:39	jocke-l	a guess the vps provider did block that kind of packages, but since they're a vps provider and very likley even an ISP, the attacker just need a bunch of cheapass vpses to circumvent the block
2022-08-19 22:12:36	lolok	yea my vps just shut off the vm and said fix it, thats what i got for using the cheapest one, but hey after a few days i got a really neat state if iptables rules that defeats the attack pretty gracefully and most importantly under full attack only 2ms added to ping and new players can connect
2022-08-19 22:21:57	LiberatedSheep	q
2022-08-19 22:27:02	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-08-19 22:29:09	pulec	HAHAHAHA
2022-08-19 22:29:11	pulec	it works!
2022-08-19 22:29:28	pulec	IT WOOOOOORKS
2022-08-19 22:29:30	pulec	SO GLORIOUS!
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2022-08-19 22:30:26	pulec	https://0x0.st/oLlI.png
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2022-08-19 22:30:47	pulec	notice the ether1 and ether2 RX rates
2022-08-19 22:30:52	pulec	and the graphs bellow
2022-08-19 22:30:58	pulec	jocke-l: it was easier than I thought
2022-08-19 22:30:59	mpan	pulec: whatever it is, congrats.
2022-08-19 22:31:13	mpan	Oh, wrong channel. I thought we’re in #aot.
2022-08-19 22:31:16	pulec	mpan: I connected 100mbit vdsl and 20mbit wifi into one connection
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2022-08-19 22:31:34	bea	thats a cute DE
2022-08-19 22:31:35	pulec	well yeah, but important discussion, I was thinking replacing mikrotik with arch based router
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2022-08-19 22:31:38	pulec	that's winbox
2022-08-19 22:31:45	pulec	it runs in wine lol
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2022-08-19 22:33:14	jocke-l	pulec: nice. i don't understand a shit of the screenshot though. but how does it work?
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2022-08-19 22:33:57	pulec	jocke-l: that is the question!
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2022-08-19 22:34:25	pulec	the key seems to be https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:PCC
2022-08-19 22:34:36	pulec	per-connection-classifier parameter
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2022-08-19 22:34:55	pulec	I used this voiceless clickity tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R6GloC-Ltk
2022-08-19 22:35:15	jocke-l	right, so it's per connection load balancing?
2022-08-19 22:36:31	pulec	well no it combines the speeds
2022-08-19 22:36:45	pulec	I download steam games 15.7MB/s
2022-08-19 22:37:01	pulec	that's combined full speeds of both internets
2022-08-19 22:37:13	pulec	but things are sometimes funky lol
2022-08-19 22:38:07	pulec	I just did a speed test over phone and my mosh connection is slow
2022-08-19 22:38:38	pulec	hm new one is a bit better
2022-08-19 22:38:50	pulec	nvm, lets celebrate
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2022-08-20 21:37:54	analoq	in pavucontrol i can see that pulse apparently keeps muting clementine as soon as a current song ends/ gets paused
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2022-08-20 21:38:48	analoq	hm actually pausing isn't an issue, but as soon as a new song starts, clementine seems to register a new 'program with pulse' which by default starts muted
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2022-08-20 21:45:16	openstack	hey everyone, has anyone experienced popping noise with audio inkde when watching music vid in firefox?
2022-08-20 21:45:33	openstack	when I watch same vid, same browser in cinnamon there is no popping
2022-08-20 21:46:02	openstack	I'm using pulse audio
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2022-08-20 21:51:31	kevr	with what type of speakers?
2022-08-20 21:51:37	kevr	are they bluetooth?
2022-08-20 21:51:54	openstack	i have a dac plugged into my stereo speakers
2022-08-20 21:52:01	openstack	via usb
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2022-08-20 22:11:30	teraflops	openstack: it looks hard to debug, tried switching to pipewire to see whether it keeps happening? it's also a good idea to switch to pipewire anyway imo
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2022-08-22 06:34:39	imperial	rcf: i'll try it here. it didn't even cross my mind to check their git, which should be the first thing I should've done
2022-08-22 06:34:57	rcf	It works for me anyway. 
2022-08-22 06:38:27	imperial	rcf: yeah, it compiled here as well. it's dumping some warnings but that's expected. you just made my night a lot better, ty.
2022-08-22 06:43:34	rcf	imperial: no problem 
2022-08-22 06:43:36	imperial	h4rd3n3d: try `pacman-key --refresh-keys`, it's probably something related to pgp
2022-08-22 06:51:56	imperial	finally, graphics for nethack 3.6. that was WAY more time consuming than I thought
2022-08-22 07:00:22	pme	[
2022-08-22 07:02:50	imperial	]
2022-08-22 07:06:59	topcat001	tent405: generally on the xorg side modesetting is preferred (please check the log to confirm it is being used), but your problem might also be related to the sound server in use.
2022-08-22 07:07:38	topcat001	modesetting DDX driver I mean (instead of xf86-...)
2022-08-22 07:08:32	TheLinuxNinja	if the sha is wrong, try a different mirror...
2022-08-22 07:10:40	topcat001	A very interesting experiment might be to create a new user, then stop all sound servers and try mpv with pure alsa userspace. Choose twm or something to completely eliminate the DE.
2022-08-22 07:11:57	topcat001	I have a couple of older machines with amdgpu + fvwm3 + alsa and video plays fine.
2022-08-22 07:25:48	imperial	h4rd3n3d: well, when it ends, it may be what TheLinuxNinja said. try a different mirror.
2022-08-22 07:26:10	imperial	well folks, gotta go. thanks a lot for your time, i'll see ya tomorrow
2022-08-22 07:39:34	tent405	booting from btrfs snapshots in archlinux is absolutely abysmal. this is not going to work. every single time, it fails to boot because it can't mount efi, unknown vfat filesystem. how can grub even not know vfat? i think I know why, but it's really annoying
2022-08-22 07:41:08	sheep	is grub failing to mount, or is linux failing to mount?
2022-08-22 07:44:01	lolok	tent405 you know /boot doesnt have to be on the efi right? in fact if you dont need it there, its unwise to have it mounted there
2022-08-22 07:44:21	rcf	I'd hardly call it unwise. 
2022-08-22 07:44:51	lolok	mhm just yesterday someone nuked their esp with lost power during upgrade
2022-08-22 07:45:20	tent405	i'm trying again by chrooting into the btrfs snapshot and doing a `mkinitcpio` 
2022-08-22 07:47:26	tent405	i can't believe it, I got the snapshotted root to boot, i just had to use the lts kernel, finally
2022-08-22 07:48:28	tent405	this is a good baseline for figuring out my problem, an lts kernel and a relatively clean base install , phew
2022-08-22 07:49:14	tent405	had to run the same kernel as the install target to mkinitcpio properly...
2022-08-22 07:52:48	tent405	i've had worse nightmares than tonight, i'm making progress
2022-08-22 08:01:04	rcf	Any snapshot will need to include the whole of /boot if you expect disparate kernels to work. 
2022-08-22 08:26:56	predicament	this isn't arch related but is the google auth app really that bad?  people seem to be completely shitting on it.. i know it's google but i mean i use that for 2FA with ssh.
2022-08-22 08:27:22	predicament	and now i want authy.
2022-08-22 08:27:49	predicament	but i have to use "google-authenticator" to get the code i need to transfer stuff.  and the QR code.
2022-08-22 08:28:04	predicament	so it thinks authy is google auth i believe.
2022-08-22 08:28:35	predicament	i need help getting rid of google-authenticator without locking myself out
2022-08-22 08:28:49	predicament	well, i can use znc, but still.
2022-08-22 08:29:06	TheLinuxNinja	<h4rd3n3d> glad you got it figured out!
2022-08-22 08:29:12	predicament	-_-
2022-08-22 08:29:14	predicament	no
2022-08-22 08:29:21	predicament	I didn't
2022-08-22 08:29:45	predicament	let me see if it works with google auth app.  probably will, but if it does then its funny too
2022-08-22 08:30:23	TheLinuxNinja	google auth is a generic app, there are many like it. the google auth app doesn't send anything back to google, it's all stored on your local device. authy is horrible, it sends your creds to authy's servvers.
2022-08-22 08:30:26	rcf	predicament: the protocol itself is TOTP. 
2022-08-22 08:30:52	rcf	predicament: Google is not involved in any case. 
2022-08-22 08:31:04	rcf	Anyone who says so has no idea how it works and can be safely disregarded. 
2022-08-22 08:31:05	TheLinuxNinja	the protocol is open and anyone can write an app to use the QR codes and store the private keys - uses the current time to generate a code based on the private key.
2022-08-22 08:31:29	predicament	google auth doesnt seem to accept it
2022-08-22 08:31:31	predicament	very interesting.
2022-08-22 08:31:37	TheLinuxNinja	Microsoft Authenticator is another alternative if you're into that sort of thing.
2022-08-22 08:31:46	predicament	i hate ms auth.
2022-08-22 08:31:52	rcf	Or FreeOTP 
2022-08-22 08:32:01	TheLinuxNinja	There is also a CLI you can use if you just want to store your auth keys locally.
2022-08-22 08:32:17	predicament	.. yep
2022-08-22 08:32:28	predicament	but this isnt local
2022-08-22 08:33:17	_________	you can use oathtool for TOTP, it works locally and from CLI (I use it myself)
2022-08-22 08:33:28	predicament	i think i just need to get rid of it all and start with the authy instead.  its intersting because now google-authenticator doesn't give the right number or I am typing a bad password that I know over and over :P
2022-08-22 08:33:57	predicament	i feel stupid right now
2022-08-22 08:34:52	predicament	works with authy
2022-08-22 08:35:04	predicament	will try google bs one more time to make sure
2022-08-22 08:35:57	ebonheart	the time is correct on your device, I suppose? 
2022-08-22 08:36:30	predicament	yes.
2022-08-22 08:36:31	predicament	sigh
2022-08-22 08:36:43	predicament	:/
2022-08-22 08:37:21	TheLinuxNinja	I don't recommend authy at all. It completely breaks the multi-factor model.
2022-08-22 08:37:33	predicament	yeah google auth just is saying no.
2022-08-22 08:37:36	TheLinuxNinja	The private key should NEVER leave the device on which it is stored.
2022-08-22 08:37:49	predicament	hm
2022-08-22 08:37:53	predicament	what do you recommend.
2022-08-22 08:38:03	predicament	and you're right
2022-08-22 08:38:12	predicament	i havent used authy much
2022-08-22 08:38:15	predicament	so i would not know.
2022-08-22 08:38:18	TheLinuxNinja	google authenticator was one of the first. you can take google's name off of it and just call it authenticator since it doesn't send your keys to the cloud.
2022-08-22 08:39:06	predicament	you're sure they dont have something baked into it that tells them you grabbed the app.. people are saying google authenticator is insecure and that authy is the pick blah blah
2022-08-22 08:39:08	TheLinuxNinja	I have no issues with google authenticator. it has passed our auditing and is valid for our work 2FA creds.
2022-08-22 08:39:16	predicament	okay
2022-08-22 08:39:20	predicament	so they're just
2022-08-22 08:39:26	TheLinuxNinja	anyone who talks out their ass is just talking shit.
2022-08-22 08:39:33	predicament	i dont know what the fuck they were trying to do
2022-08-22 08:39:49	predicament	because they were trying to ssh in to something in a video, like 5 people in a row
2022-08-22 08:40:02	TheLinuxNinja	someone thinks there's a problem with google authenticator, prove it.
2022-08-22 08:40:13	predicament	i was looking for proof myself
2022-08-22 08:40:24	predicament	i mean i started with google auth.
2022-08-22 08:40:41	predicament	i do like authy because i do have a few accts i use it forf
2022-08-22 08:40:44	predicament	-f
2022-08-22 08:40:48	predicament	so its needed atm
2022-08-22 08:40:58	predicament	i like having multiple differnt ones for differnt types of apps
2022-08-22 08:41:03	predicament	thats an OCD thing
2022-08-22 08:41:03	TheLinuxNinja	it's just a TOTP generator. there's nothing 'google' about it. that's what makes it great. it has no extra features, other than being able to generate QR Codes that allow you to move your keys from one phone to a new phone.
2022-08-22 08:41:30	predicament	yeah authy cannot do qr on the desktop
2022-08-22 08:41:47	predicament	i was really desperate and still kidn of am
2022-08-22 08:41:51	TheLinuxNinja	just the fact that you HAVE to use a QR Code to move your keys to a new phone tells you the keys are only stored locally.
2022-08-22 08:41:54	predicament	i need to fix this
2022-08-22 08:42:01	bwanda	http://pastie.org/p/1nQxTozScg4BVrulLpfa2J/raw need help
2022-08-22 08:42:21	predicament	and TheLinuxNinja yes that is true
2022-08-22 08:42:36	predicament	i dont know what exactly happens with some of the MFA
2022-08-22 08:42:53	predicament	microsoft is a pain but its  used for hotmail
2022-08-22 08:42:56	TheLinuxNinja	I wrote a script that will allow you to store your TOTP keys in a json file and use oathtool to provide 2FA for OpenVPN logins. No phone app required.
2022-08-22 08:43:12	predicament	well that's impressive
2022-08-22 08:43:18	predicament	i'm not any coder.
2022-08-22 08:43:28	predicament	i dont know bash even, not really, just basic crap
2022-08-22 08:43:36	predicament	same with most programming languages
2022-08-22 08:43:43	predicament	i just tap out, i am not interested in it
2022-08-22 08:43:47	TheLinuxNinja	I'm not a coder either. It's just a bash script.
2022-08-22 08:43:49	predicament	well
2022-08-22 08:43:53	predicament	you know what i menat
2022-08-22 08:43:55	predicament	meant*
2022-08-22 08:44:00	predicament	i couldnt do bash 
2022-08-22 08:44:02	predicament	so.
2022-08-22 08:44:35	predicament	i used to always call people on the "script vs programming" ordeal
2022-08-22 08:44:39	predicament	kinda funny
2022-08-22 08:44:49	TheLinuxNinja	https://gitlab.com/TheLinuxNinja/vpnctl
2022-08-22 08:44:50	phrik	Title: Linux Ninja / vpnctl · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2022-08-22 08:44:58	predicament	that's pretty cool
2022-08-22 08:45:09	predicament	you definitely know your shit.
2022-08-22 08:45:29	predicament	ill stick with google auth, im gonna have to remove that account or transfer it back or some shit
2022-08-22 08:45:37	predicament	or just stay iwth authy, idk.
2022-08-22 08:45:46	predicament	it only works with that now.
2022-08-22 08:46:25	bwanda	http://pastie.org/p/1nQxTozScg4BVrulLpfa2J/raw > error, http://pastie.org/p/1p0HqLd4MdmNY5jNwxrE9V/raw > file does not exist ???
2022-08-22 08:47:12	predicament	i do have problems with google's auth.
2022-08-22 08:47:40	predicament	can't import anything, even if its technically there, its no longer the same ;/
2022-08-22 08:47:46	TheLinuxNinja	authy and all the TOTP apps have the same core functionality, but several have some 'additional' features that make them less secure.
2022-08-22 08:48:02	predicament	so then why would you say
2022-08-22 08:48:03	TheLinuxNinja	what do you mean 'can't import anything'?
2022-08-22 08:48:08	predicament	an account
2022-08-22 08:48:18	predicament	i gotta reimport it since i made new keys
2022-08-22 08:48:32	TheLinuxNinja	You can either manually enter the private key, or scan a QR Code. Both methods 'import' an entry.
2022-08-22 08:48:46	predicament	its asking for a QR, that gets on my nerves, and no option for a key. weird.
2022-08-22 08:49:11	predicament	there is no QR code, so..
2022-08-22 08:49:23	TheLinuxNinja	With Google Authenticator, if you generate 'new keys' for the same account, then you need to delete the old entry from Google Authenticator, first. But, we're way off-topic, so let's call it a day.
2022-08-22 08:49:34	predicament	can we pm?
2022-08-22 08:49:40	predicament	i really need to fix this
2022-08-22 08:49:40	TheLinuxNinja	sure
2022-08-22 08:49:44	predicament	thank you
2022-08-22 08:58:24	bwanda	http://pastie.org/p/1nQxTozScg4BVrulLpfa2J/raw > error, http://pastie.org/p/1p0HqLd4MdmNY5jNwxrE9V/raw > file does not exist ???
2022-08-22 08:59:10	thurstylark	bwanda: do you get the same thing when building in a clean chroot?
2022-08-22 09:00:07	bwanda	thurstylark: what you clean chroot?? command please?
2022-08-22 09:00:18	thurstylark	oh wait, check the aur package page comments
2022-08-22 09:00:24	thurstylark	this is a known issue
2022-08-22 09:00:38	powftw	"PulseAudio on Arch has pulseaudio.socket enabled by default" - But when i do `sudo systemctl status pulseaudio.socket` it says no such module exist `Unit pulseaudio.socket could not be found.`
2022-08-22 09:01:02	thurstylark	powftw: it's a --user unit. `systemctl --user status pulseaudio.socket`
2022-08-22 09:01:09	powftw	also, when i do calls, my system is making noice so my team muted me
2022-08-22 09:01:11	bwanda	thurstylark: there is no comments https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/anbox-modules-dkms-aarch64_fix
2022-08-22 09:01:12	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - anbox-modules-dkms-aarch64_fix (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-08-22 09:01:23	thurstylark	bwanda: ahh, you didn'
2022-08-22 09:01:42	thurstylark	bwanda: ahh, you didn't specify which package you were trying to build, so I just assumed anbox-modules-dkms
2022-08-22 09:01:48	powftw	thurstylark: yea, its running
2022-08-22 09:02:27	bwanda	thurstylark: see my second paste http://pastie.org/p/1nQxTozScg4BVrulLpfa2J/raw 
2022-08-22 09:02:32	powftw	thurstylark: do you know why my mic is making noice during calls?
2022-08-22 09:02:33	bwanda	about file
2022-08-22 09:03:23	thurstylark	bwanda: then try a clean chroot: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:Building_in_a_clean_chroot
2022-08-22 09:03:24	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:Building in a clean chroot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-22 09:03:44	pipegrep	powftw you could download pavucontrol and check your levels
2022-08-22 09:04:26	powftw	pipegrep: levels are normal. but there's a noice 
2022-08-22 09:04:35	powftw	`pulseaudio[617]: stat('/etc/pulse/default.pa.d'): No such file or directory`
2022-08-22 09:04:41	powftw	is this relevant?
2022-08-22 09:05:01	thurstylark	pulse can run fine without configs
2022-08-22 09:05:15	pipegrep	^ this is regularly the case
2022-08-22 09:05:32	thurstylark	powftw: Try the echo test to see if you can identify what is making the noise: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Echo_test
2022-08-22 09:05:33	phrik	Title: PulseAudio/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-22 09:06:56	thurstylark	also check out the rest of the troubleshooting subjects on that page while you're there
2022-08-22 09:07:36	pipegrep	also, I've had experience on alienware/dell laptops that don't load the correct snd_* modules
2022-08-22 09:07:59	pipegrep	Maybe this is something similar to your case? check your model vs arch wiki to see if it's a known error
2022-08-22 09:09:58	powftw	there's always a noise no matter what
2022-08-22 09:10:18	powftw	it's like gray-noise 
2022-08-22 09:10:25	pipegrep	did that happen on your previous OS?
2022-08-22 09:10:33	powftw	nope
2022-08-22 09:10:33	pipegrep	I assume not
2022-08-22 09:10:37	tent405	who put pipewire into xfce4 i think it's pipewire causing me a problem 
2022-08-22 09:14:43	tent405	screw both pipewire and pulse, i want my old soundcards back, alsa, the way its supposed to be
2022-08-22 09:16:03	pipegrep	that's the thing about linux that BSDs don't suffer from. It moves so fast that a lot of the components you're used to are now deprecated or superceded
2022-08-22 09:17:22	raster	tent405: why not just go full caveman. ask for oss back/ /dev/dsp was wonderful. :)
2022-08-22 09:18:10	tent405	i didn't think that arch would suffer from dependency problems but here it wants me to install jack2off providers for my favorite sound program yea, i should just compile moc from source 
2022-08-22 09:18:28	tent405	when did arch become hipsterized
2022-08-22 09:18:46	pipegrep	alwayshasbeen.png
2022-08-22 09:18:57	tent405	`reboot`
2022-08-22 09:20:26	tent405	oh look, my computer can't play audio from a terminal, so cute
2022-08-22 09:22:57	tent405	it doesn't even respond to sudo init 0 anymore. wtf....
2022-08-22 09:31:56	adigitoleo	Hello, it appears that biber 1:2.17-2 is missing the perl-clone dependency. I got perl errors just now trying to compile a latex bibliography with biber (can't locate Clone.pm), and installing perl-clone fixed the issue.
2022-08-22 09:33:06	adigitoleo	Oh, I see it is already reported: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/75279
2022-08-22 09:33:07	phrik	Title: FS#75279 : [biber] Missing required dependency perl-clone (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-08-22 09:35:22	lolok	tfw you want sysvinit but you think arch is too hipster
2022-08-22 09:37:46	bwanda	thurstylark: same error?
2022-08-22 09:41:33	bwanda	thurstylark: there?
2022-08-22 09:51:28	Vorpal	Weird issue: On kernel 5.19 (linux or linux-zen doesn't matter) auto connect of wifi after suspend/resume is broken. Works on linux-lts.
2022-08-22 09:51:35	Vorpal	I see a few lines like: [   60.601199] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: Not associated and the time event is over already...
2022-08-22 09:51:37	Vorpal	in dmesg
2022-08-22 09:52:02	Vorpal	if I manually reconnect it works fine
2022-08-22 09:52:11	Vorpal	I use NetworkManager with iwd
2022-08-22 09:54:28	dagle	What device?
2022-08-22 09:54:58	Vorpal	Thinkpad T480. Let me check what intel wifi chip it has
2022-08-22 09:55:19	Vorpal	03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 8265 / 8275 (rev 78)
2022-08-22 09:56:05	TheLinuxNinja	h4rd3n3d: I run a mirror. Usually, the sync is using rsync, which doesn't put the file in place until it has passed a check to see that it is intact, but this isn't fool-proof. no, mirrors do NOT check the sigs.
2022-08-22 09:56:58	TheLinuxNinja	next time the mirror syncs, it 'might' pick that file as needing to be re-sync'd and fix it. but, it might not. there's could be a hardware fault on that system.
2022-08-22 09:57:34	TheLinuxNinja	if the mirrors were perfect, we wouldn't need redundancy and signature checking.
2022-08-22 09:58:51	Vorpal	dagle: time to file a kernel bug?
2022-08-22 09:59:03	Vorpal	or is there something else to try first
2022-08-22 09:59:33	Vorpal	And is the Linux package in Arch close enough to upstream that they are happy to accept bug reports with it, or do I need a separate package for that?
2022-08-22 09:59:58	TheLinuxNinja	if the wifi group key was rekeyed, the wifi connection would be invalid. but, the daemon managing the connection should have attempted a re-connect.
2022-08-22 10:00:09	TheLinuxNinja	many wifi APs rekey once per hour.
2022-08-22 10:00:22	dagle	Vorpal: I can't say I have any problems with suspend/resume using iwd.
2022-08-22 10:00:43	Vorpal	dagle: I could try switching to wpa_client and see if it makes a difference
2022-08-22 10:01:07	dagle	So it might be driver specific, so if you have other hardware with another chip that could be useful.
2022-08-22 10:01:45	dagle	Also if it was realtek, you wouldn't need to do anything because their hardware is assumed to always be the fault. :P
2022-08-22 10:01:58	Vorpal	dagle: sure, I have a few other intel wifi devices, one uses wpa_client instead of iwd. One of them uses ethernet because it is a desktop
2022-08-22 10:02:20	Vorpal	the one with wpa_client is on linux-lts due to other issues on that device
2022-08-22 10:02:28	Vorpal	(nvidia stuff)
2022-08-22 10:03:21	Vorpal	Actually I have an old ultrabook from 2011 with Atheros something or other I think
2022-08-22 10:04:03	Vorpal	dagle: I could try switching this T480 to wpa_supplicant and see what happens
2022-08-22 10:04:17	Vorpal	oops I wrote wpa_client not wpa_supplicant above, my bad
2022-08-22 10:07:03	Vorpal	TheLinuxNinja: I doubt it has to do with that: 1) no other devices have issues 2) this used to work before the 5.19 update 3) Every suspend/resume cycle, however quick does this
2022-08-22 10:08:59	Vorpal	I'll be back, rebooting just in case to test this
2022-08-22 10:12:16	Vorpal	dagle: works with wpa_supplicant
2022-08-22 10:12:40	Vorpal	so some weird interaction between the hardware/driver in 5.19 and iwd
2022-08-22 10:12:56	bwanda	anyone used anbox?
2022-08-22 10:13:02	Vorpal	filing a iwd bug seems less scary than filing a kernel bug though, so I'll start there
2022-08-22 10:14:15	dagle	bwanda: Yes but I never really got it to work.
2022-08-22 10:15:13	bwanda	dagle: are you using anyother?
2022-08-22 10:17:53	bwanda	how to remove -M files?
2022-08-22 10:18:01	bwanda	i got this -M filename its not removing?
2022-08-22 10:18:09	sheep	rm -- -M
2022-08-22 10:18:20	sheep	-- makes it stop interpreting things after -- as flags
2022-08-22 10:18:30	bwanda	thx
2022-08-22 10:18:56	wunit	or ./-M (for all programs that do not support -- syntax)
2022-08-22 10:19:40	Vorpal	where the heck do you even report iwd bugs?
2022-08-22 10:19:54	Vorpal	the repo seems to be hosted on kernel.org, do they use the same bug tracker?
2022-08-22 10:21:17	dagle	Vorpal: I think it uses a mailinglist
2022-08-22 10:22:19	Vorpal	dagle: oh dear
2022-08-22 10:25:13	Vorpal	well, I'll have to do this after work, either a kernel bug or a mailing list is taking too much time.
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2022-08-22 12:19:52	CarloWood	Which terminal will be opened when you hit Super+Enter ?
2022-08-22 12:21:22	coruja	the one set in i3's config file
2022-08-22 12:22:21	coruja	!give CarloWood aw i3
2022-08-22 12:22:22	phrik	CarloWood: I3 - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/I3
2022-08-22 12:23:13	coruja	i3 uses dmenu as an application launcher, which is bound by default to $mod+d. As it is an optional dependency dmenu must first be installed before this functionality can be used. 
2022-08-22 12:23:57	CarloWood	That might help, I didn't have dmenu installed.
2022-08-22 12:25:35	CarloWood	My config also uses 'dex' - is that something I'll likely need to install?
2022-08-22 12:26:30	pipegrep	dunno about dex
2022-08-22 12:26:47	pipegrep	i3 will launch from a wide range of terminals, but you can edit that to be the one you like
2022-08-22 12:26:56	pipegrep	I like sakura because I'm too lazy
2022-08-22 12:27:31	pipegrep	I also like rofi better than dmenu, as it looks prettier (always an opinion)
2022-08-22 12:27:42	coruja	as a quick start you may use the application launcher to run whatever you want to
2022-08-22 12:32:34	pipegrep	CarloWood I don't mean to gatekeep or disuade
2022-08-22 12:33:16	pipegrep	Also, go to tty and use it to edit the config file / install packages and you can go back to i3 and reload it once edited Super+Shift+R
2022-08-22 12:37:28	pipegrep	I'm also more than happy to share my configs if you need/want
2022-08-22 12:39:08	CarloWood	pipegrep: that might be very helpful to look at! Can you email them? 
2022-08-22 12:39:18	pipegrep	yep
2022-08-22 12:39:23	CarloWood	carlo@alinoe.com
2022-08-22 12:39:28	CarloWood	thx
2022-08-22 12:39:45	CarloWood	I'm going to try again now... bbl
2022-08-22 12:40:57	pipegrep	sent
2022-08-22 12:50:51	MacGyver	coruja: In absence of other settings, i3-sensible-terminal will be opened.
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2022-08-22 13:11:00	CarloWood	But things like,.. I open a new application and it is added vertically - instead I wanted it to open horizontally in a certain column... I suppose that could best be explained with a few images.
2022-08-22 13:12:44	CarloWood	I guess I could (should?) select a window in the column that I want to add it to, switch to horizontal mode, then open the new app and then move it i the column to the right place. However, I'd get nuts if I have to do that every time; so I definitely need config that will open windows automatically where I want them.
2022-08-22 13:18:17	pipegrep	Super+v and super+h define how the new window is stacked
2022-08-22 13:18:39	pipegrep	so super+v splits vertically and h for horizontal. Per window
2022-08-22 13:18:58	Santzes	I don't mind doing it myself, takes 0.1 seconds when the windows are often open for hours to weeks, but I'm sure there a gazillion different auto layout things that choose the placement for you
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2022-08-22 13:50:24	jof	Anything in dmesg about the hub having been disabled?
2022-08-22 13:50:58	jof	also, do other USB-devices work after this one demonstrating not-working?
2022-08-22 13:54:54	guardian	I rebooted again and now it works
2022-08-22 13:55:02	guardian	Maybe it's because I didn't eject the disks properly beforehand
2022-08-22 13:55:04	guardian	Not sure
2022-08-22 13:56:05	artefact	after a full reboot, that's very unlikely
2022-08-22 13:56:31	guardian	I hate when I can't explain what's going on :( 
2022-08-22 13:57:32	artefact	try different usb ports, try a powered hub if you have one
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2022-08-22 14:27:17	minifridge	Hi, I have some trouble with vivaldi and chromium browser lately both version 104. It stops rendering frames and it locks up. Everything else seems to work, sound keeps on playing and clicking on the window seem to register events fine but the content it shows remain frozen. I have several hardware acceleration flags enabled and threads enabled and I run it through ozone wayland. No error
2022-08-22 14:27:17	minifridge	messages or anything are reported. Anybody else
2022-08-22 14:27:17	minifridge	experiencing these issues?
2022-08-22 14:28:59	ishitatsuyuki	wayland sounds most likely the culprit here, maybe try xwayland?
2022-08-22 14:30:18	minifridge	ishitatsuyuki: kk I will try, not sure what is the bug and whether I should report it somewhere
2022-08-22 14:30:42	ishitatsuyuki	you might want to try attaching gdb to see where it's hanging, although it's not easy because chromium spawns a million worker threads
2022-08-22 14:31:56	minifridge	does the normal chromium package it have debugging symbols? I am terrified to build it on my own
2022-08-22 14:31:57	frojnd	Hi there.
2022-08-22 14:33:00	frojnd	I would like to test macvlan option which should be included in kernel since 3.0 but I can't find it when doing lsmod |grep macvlan
2022-08-22 14:33:23	frojnd	sudo ip link add mv1 link wlp4s0 type macvlan gvies me: Error: Unknown device type.
2022-08-22 14:33:53	frojnd	So I was assuming module is the issue but I can't load it?
2022-08-22 14:34:02	frojnd	Sine tehre is no module macvlan
2022-08-22 14:34:40	ishitatsuyuki	i'm actually not sure whether there's debug package for chromium :o
2022-08-22 14:37:06	minifridge	ishitatsuyuki: I will check then whether it is more stable in xwayland. atm it is intermittent it can go for hours or it can lock up during startup or after a few minutes. My gut tells it looks like thread locking and usually these can be very hard to trace
2022-08-22 14:37:43	minifridge	thanks ishitatsuyuki 
2022-08-22 14:37:49	ishitatsuyuki	you're welcome
2022-08-22 14:39:28	Namarrgon	frojnd: uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2022-08-22 14:39:39	frojnd	Oh
2022-08-22 14:39:43	frojnd	Just upgraded kernel
2022-08-22 14:39:47	frojnd	Let me reboot first
2022-08-22 14:40:18	Namarrgon	minifridge: which gpu do you have?
2022-08-22 14:40:56	Namarrgon	if you use an intel gpu with X then make sure you don't use xf86-video-intel
2022-08-22 14:44:24	powftw	how to know my current cpu usage from cli? `top` %cpu and `mpstat` shows different usage
2022-08-22 14:45:11	frojnd	Namarrgon: that was the issue, not rebooting after kernel upgrade. Thank you
2022-08-22 14:45:30	CarloWood	Weird? After I switched to WM i3 - chromium seem to have forgotten all cookies and logins etc it seems. Now, normally I have to type my password for a 'wallet' but that is a pop-up that I haven't seen with i3. Is there a way to get that to work again under i3?
2022-08-22 14:46:44	BrainDamage	did you use chromium's bultin wallet or the DE's ?
2022-08-22 14:46:58	BrainDamage	because if you used the DE's, and you switched DE, the keyring is not opened anymore
2022-08-22 14:47:17	CarloWood	I don't know - I just used what was the default (it started to ask for my password at some point (years back?))
2022-08-22 14:48:04	CarloWood	I didn't really switch DE did I? Or maybe I did... if I don't start plasma I am no longer running KDE, right?
2022-08-22 14:48:27	powftw	`top` shows 0.3 while `mpstat` shows 1.59
2022-08-22 14:51:44	artefact	they both read the same /proc/stat
2022-08-22 14:52:32	BrainDamage	CarloWood: if you don't start plasma then you're not running kde indeed, and yes, kde has its own wallet
2022-08-22 14:53:06	ectospasm	They calculate them differently.  I'd go after load average, as reported by top and uptime.  powftw
2022-08-22 14:53:52	ectospasm	mpstat may be reporting load average in its global output.
2022-08-22 14:53:52	powftw	ectospasm: does `uptime` show avg load?
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2022-08-22 15:10:55	bug2000	All but last
2022-08-22 15:11:03	bug2000	The thing is, what do you average.
2022-08-22 15:14:15	powftw	to show it in my i3bar
2022-08-22 15:15:31	bug2000	I mean, do you average load of past minute? hour? lifetime?
2022-08-22 15:16:24	nklsfrt	bug2000: you only need ansible on the control node. all the hosts need is a python install.
2022-08-22 15:17:02	nklsfrt	and they need to be accessible via ssh obv
2022-08-22 15:22:15	bug2000	-S @hostgroup (alpha testing)
2022-08-22 15:23:00	bwanda	how to set wallpaper with feh permantly?
2022-08-22 15:23:21	bug2000	bwanda, run it on login.
2022-08-22 15:23:30	Edu4rdSHL	Just put it in your autostart apps and that's all
2022-08-22 15:23:40	bug2000	so parallel for distributed is still alpha.
2022-08-22 15:23:56	bwanda	bug2000: what to do on .xinitrc?? i guess?
2022-08-22 15:24:14	bug2000	bwanda, No. Cause xinit ends with exec of your WM/DE.
2022-08-22 15:24:37	bug2000	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_Autostart
2022-08-22 15:24:39	phrik	Title: XDG Autostart - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-22 15:24:49	⚡ 	bwanda clicks
2022-08-22 15:25:22	artefact	or just read feh(1)
2022-08-22 15:25:36	⚡ 	bwanda installing dex
2022-08-22 15:26:15	bwanda	installed it but do not what to do?
2022-08-22 15:26:26	pipegrep	if you add your feh command before exec wm, it works just fine
2022-08-22 15:26:36	pipegrep	feh --bg-scale wp.png &
2022-08-22 15:26:37	bwanda	oh great thx
2022-08-22 15:26:49	ponies	bwanda: make file which says: feh  --image-bg black --bg-center "path/to/wallpaper" and use i3 to exec
2022-08-22 15:26:50	bug2000	pipegrep, Oh really? Many things break if you do it before.
2022-08-22 15:27:04	pipegrep	nope. you just need to put most of it with ampersands
2022-08-22 15:27:05	jof	pow
2022-08-22 15:27:27	pipegrep	at least continuous commands need to be ran with &
2022-08-22 15:27:50	CarloWood	Is a wallpaper useful with i3? That covers the whole desktop at all times it seems.
2022-08-22 15:27:57	bug2000	pipegrep, I remember why things broke. Cause at some point I was using some WM that had it's own wallpaper, so it would overwrite my feh XD
2022-08-22 15:28:03	pipegrep	looks cool through transpacency and gaps ;)
2022-08-22 15:28:11	bug2000	CarloWood, It makes one feel better when creating a new desktop / login.
2022-08-22 15:28:44	pipegrep	bug2000 exec wm has to be the last thing that runs from xinit, afaik
2022-08-22 15:29:02	jof	bwanda: Actually, somewhat less known to the community, but using "feh" for setting the bg-image works best if you supply it with an image of me. Do you want me to send you one?
2022-08-22 15:29:05	pipegrep	ponies: exactly
2022-08-22 15:29:06	bug2000	Yeah, hence the WM would overwrite my feh if it was running earlier.
2022-08-22 15:29:15	bwanda	lol 
2022-08-22 15:29:19	bug2000	jof, Please show us that picture.
2022-08-22 15:29:26	jof	:p
2022-08-22 15:29:43	ponies	jof: you funny 
2022-08-22 15:30:11	bug2000	ponies, Your nickname reminds me of omp. I miss omp.
2022-08-22 15:30:22	bug2000	!give ponies omp
2022-08-22 15:30:23	phrik	ponies: oh my ponies!
2022-08-22 15:31:20	ponies	!factinfo omp
2022-08-22 15:31:20	phrik	ponies: omp: Created by omp on 2008-09-26T16:30:36+0000. Last requested by bug2000!~bug@user/bug on 2022-08-22T13:30:28+0000, requested 554 times. Locked by omp on 2008-11-03T18:49:26+0000.
2022-08-22 15:44:33	lkrms	Hello all :) recent lurker on IRC, have been an Arch devotee for a while though. Nice to see the human side of the community happening in here 🙏🏼  (I probably need to get out more)
2022-08-22 15:47:42	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/AoDLxUz7/
2022-08-22 15:47:44	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-08-22 15:47:54	powftw	why `rfkill` shows 3 devices for my system?
2022-08-22 15:48:15	lkrms	I have a question but I'm not sure where or how to ask :P Suffice to say I have a few electron-based packages here (mostly on AUR but a couple are my own variants of AUR or repo packages) and I'm trying to pair one of them with electron15.
2022-08-22 15:48:16	powftw	nope! 2 wifi devices
2022-08-22 15:48:27	powftw	or 2 wlan interfaces?
2022-08-22 15:49:17	lkrms	But electron15 disappeared from the repo (as have a couple of other versions over the last couple of weeks, I think, but at one stage it was only electron15 that was missing)
2022-08-22 15:51:18	lkrms	Mostly because I'm curious (but also because I prefer proper Arch builds of these things and 5+ hours to build myself an electron15 package seems like a lot :P) -- does anybody know what the rationale is behind keeping and turfing electron versions?
2022-08-22 15:52:04	jelle	lkrms: if nothing in the repo uses it, it is dropped
2022-08-22 15:54:39	lkrms	jelle: Ok... so essentially it's a random outcome depending on how repo dependencies play out? Do they normally get dropped back into the AUR or is that just for packages that originated there?
2022-08-22 15:57:42	demonicmaniac1	jelle: why do you even keep end of life unsupported electron versions in repo though?
2022-08-22 15:57:45	demonicmaniac1	seems a horrible idea
2022-08-22 15:59:59	Edu4rdSHL	lkrms, it's just dropped, but if people needs it then it's highly possible that it will be added to the AUR
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2022-08-22 16:17:33	CarloWood	Using i3, I have three windows horizontally tiled - now I want to change the last two to vertically tiled. Thus, I have:  1|2|3  and I want to go to 1|2/3  where 2 is above 3.
2022-08-22 16:17:38	CarloWood	How can I do that?
2022-08-22 16:17:43	lkrms	Edu4rdSHL: thanks :) I've been using that as a stopgap before other dependency changes revealed I wasn't getting 'electron' (i.e. electron20) because electron15-bin provides 'electron'==15.something
2022-08-22 16:18:52	lkrms	So I went down the rabbit hole of building electron15. It would have been quicker to tweak the PKGBUILD but mild obsessiveness seems to go with the territory around here :P
2022-08-22 16:19:38	Edu4rdSHL	Well, it provides electron15=15.5.7  electron=15.5.7 which shouldn't cause problems with the latest electron
2022-08-22 16:20:25	lkrms	demonicmaniac1: my impression was they are taking similar approaches, but electron just has a broader set of APIs so it doesn't end up as stable ... what do you see as different with node?
2022-08-22 16:20:59	jelle	lkrms: can't get the app to use a newer electron?
2022-08-22 16:21:08	demonicmaniac1	lkrms: node actually has lts releases with 30 months support
2022-08-22 16:21:42	demonicmaniac1	lkrms: electron just says we support the last 3 versions and with 8 week release cadence that pretty much means every versions only has 4 months support
2022-08-22 16:23:51	demonicmaniac1	*6 months
2022-08-22 16:23:53	lkrms	Edu4rdSHL: that's what I thought too, but caprine depends on 'electron', and pacman was satisfied with electron15-bin as the provider of electron, so I ended up with caprine failing to start :)  easy enough to work around it, but not ideal
2022-08-22 16:24:21	Edu4rdSHL	Weird, I would love to see the whole logs
2022-08-22 16:25:07	lkrms	demonicmaniac1: oh wow, okay. It must have been a while since I had a close look because I thought there were LTS releases in the mix too.
2022-08-22 16:25:26	minifridge	Namarrgon: I have intel gpu + nvidia laptop (I do not use nvidia). The problem manifests on wayland. A very similar setup with AMD in my desktop seems to be working with no problems
2022-08-22 16:25:56	lkrms	Edu4rdSHL will see what I can extract. What's the preferred pastebin around here?
2022-08-22 16:26:07	Edu4rdSHL	!give lkrms paste
2022-08-22 16:26:08	phrik	lkrms: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-08-22 16:26:17	Edu4rdSHL	!rs
2022-08-22 16:26:18	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2022-08-22 16:26:39	lkrms	Thanks :)
2022-08-22 16:30:48	lkrms	https://paste.rs/XFW
2022-08-22 16:31:27	lkrms	I've just grepped caprine and electron with 5 lines of context -- forgetting how far back the log went, whoops!
2022-08-22 16:33:50	Edu4rdSHL	Certainly there's nothing relevant
2022-08-22 16:34:21	lkrms	Oddly, electron 20 installed fine on the 20th, then I downgraded caprine while troubleshooting other issues (which ended up being upstream Meta problems), and it was removed at the same time--as one would expect. It's unclear why on the next upgrade it didn't pull electron 20 with it again :/
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2022-08-22 16:55:54	Edu4rdSHL	Helping what? You have an Arch box, run the command on it, if there are problems then come here an complain.
2022-08-22 16:56:01	Edu4rdSHL	and *
2022-08-22 16:56:38	lkrms	https://paste.rs/wTS
2022-08-22 16:56:59	Edu4rdSHL	lkrms, paste the damn log from the pacman -S caprine command
2022-08-22 16:57:17	Edu4rdSHL	The logs that you're posting doesn't help in anything
2022-08-22 16:57:37	lkrms	Oh ok -- sorry, the output is roughly the same but I thought it was what you needed. Sec.
2022-08-22 16:58:53	lkrms	https://paste.rs/7d5
2022-08-22 16:59:28	Edu4rdSHL	pacman -Qi electron
2022-08-22 17:00:33	lkrms	https://paste.rs/JDZ
2022-08-22 17:01:40	lkrms	TIL you could pacman -Qi using a "provides" name -- was expecting no output given I don't have electron installed
2022-08-22 17:02:07	Edu4rdSHL	https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=electron15-bin#n15 
2022-08-22 17:02:08	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-08-22 17:02:19	Edu4rdSHL	It provides electron, mmm
2022-08-22 17:02:59	Edu4rdSHL	No idea why my output was different when using `paru -Si`
2022-08-22 17:03:00	lkrms	Yep, that's what I've been saying :)  It's correctly versioned, but I guess that doesn't help if caprine doesn't specify electron>=20
2022-08-22 17:03:44	Edu4rdSHL	That package is weird
2022-08-22 17:04:07	Edu4rdSHL	provides=("${_pkgname}=${pkgver}" "${_projectname}=${pkgver}") souldn't translate to "electron" in any way
2022-08-22 17:04:23	Edu4rdSHL	This indeed should be electron15=15.5.7 and electron=15.5.7
2022-08-22 17:04:32	Edu4rdSHL	No idea why it's providing electron
2022-08-22 17:05:02	Edu4rdSHL	In fact, .SRCINFO says that https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/.SRCINFO?h=electron15-bin#n25
2022-08-22 17:05:03	phrik	Title: .SRCINFO - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-08-22 17:05:19	Edu4rdSHL	But the AUR web interface says Provides: electron, electron15
2022-08-22 17:05:21	Edu4rdSHL	uuuh
2022-08-22 17:07:35	lkrms	I'm sure I've had a similar issue before with another package -- might have even been one I was building -- where versioned "provides" values were accepted as if they weren't there. But that was probably 12+ months ago so I can't remember the particulars
2022-08-22 17:08:32	lkrms	Does the AUR UI usually display the version numbers? I've not paid close attention to that.
2022-08-22 17:11:21	lkrms	... but even if it doesn't, the PKGBUILD and .SRCINFO both have correct values, and pacman confirms them locally, so I don't know how "provides=electron" would be sneaking in.
2022-08-22 17:12:32	glitsj16	Edu4rdSHL: https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/.SRCINFO?h=electron15-bin#n26 might be responsible for that, don't know how the web interface actually translates those
2022-08-22 17:12:32	phrik	Title: .SRCINFO - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-08-22 17:13:35	glitsj16	lkrms: ^ should have pointed that to you sorry Edu4rdSHL
2022-08-22 17:14:07	roxlu	Hi, someone around who has a dual book with Arch and Win 11? I've done dual boots with Arch and Win 10 several times w/o issues, but I'm curious if there are any special things I should consider?
2022-08-22 17:15:43	lkrms	glitsj16: Yep but Edu4rdSHL's understanding seems to be that provides=('electron=15.5.7') should not be enough to satisfy depends=('electron')
2022-08-22 17:17:19	lkrms	I'm not seeing anything definitive on the wiki about pacman's behaviour except that it would most likely be fine if caprine (in this case) depended on 'electron>=20.0.0'
2022-08-22 17:17:26	glitsj16	lkrms: that's how i would read that too, didn't want to add more confusion
2022-08-22 17:19:57	lkrms	Would be good to clarify what the intended behaviour is, I guess :)  Maybe it's working as intended, in which case there are probably some PKGBUILD "best practices" to clarify somewhere
2022-08-22 17:21:22	lkrms	I'm mindful it's "only" an AUR package throwing the spanner in the works, but even so, there's no obvious mistake in the PKGBUILD as best I can see.
2022-08-22 17:22:38	lkrms	Anyway, thanks for investigating :)  Time for bed here but will check in later.
2022-08-22 17:28:31	Vorpal	does arch have a mainline kernel package? If I want to report a bug upstream to the kernel bugzilla I need to select which kernel, and arch is not a choice there, only fedora has it's own distro kernel in the list
2022-08-22 17:28:53	Vorpal	(strange that they get a pass there)
2022-08-22 17:30:30	Vorpal	oh, there might be one in AUR apparently
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2022-08-22 18:03:21	artefact	arch uses mainline sources. it's just a bit behind
2022-08-22 18:06:14	Vorpal	well I reported the bug to the arch bug tracker for now. Since I don't know if it is a kernel bug, IWD bug or NetworkManager bug
2022-08-22 18:06:16	Vorpal	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/75670
2022-08-22 18:06:17	phrik	Title: FS#75670 : [iwd][linux][NetworkManager] Kernel 5.19 + NetworkManager with iwd breaks auto reconnect after resum (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-08-22 18:06:28	Vorpal	such a mess of a bug to try to untangle :(
2022-08-22 18:09:49	citazen	how is arch on handling an onion site?
2022-08-22 18:11:02	citazen	1000 ppl here, dont everyone speak at once
2022-08-22 18:11:33	artefact	your question doesn't make sense
2022-08-22 18:12:09	citazen	is arch suited to handle torrifying and generting an onion domain or should i look at other OS systems like gentoo?
2022-08-22 18:12:34	citazen	i want to be able to put together a onion version of Youtube
2022-08-22 18:12:56	BrainDamage	you can, but the responsibility for configuring without leaks is yours
2022-08-22 18:12:59	BrainDamage	same applies for gentoo
2022-08-22 18:13:02	citazen	yes i know this
2022-08-22 18:13:21	citazen	ok but arch is just as good as any platform to torrify with
2022-08-22 18:13:22	citazen	thank you
2022-08-22 18:13:50	citazen	i got about 4000k political vids and can host them anywhere without beiong shut down left and right
2022-08-22 18:21:12	jelle	Vorpal: check the miffe repo on the wiki
2022-08-22 18:21:40	jelle	(it has a mainline kernel, but rc1 is already bugged if you have a SATA disk :p)
2022-08-22 18:21:42	bluetail	my monitors dont go into suspend mode, the best I can get is blanking through xscreensaver
2022-08-22 18:22:17	Vorpal	jelle: oh, yeah I'm not going RC
2022-08-22 18:22:21	Vorpal	screw that
2022-08-22 18:22:33	jelle	RC is usually fine tho :)
2022-08-22 18:24:33	Vorpal	jelle: anyway I have reported a bug to somewhere. Now I hope someone else manages to untangle that particular knot
2022-08-22 18:31:32	artefact	bluetail: have you tried eg, $(xset dpms force off) ?
2022-08-22 18:31:46	bluetail	yea, it immediately comes back
2022-08-22 18:31:52	bluetail	steam is not running
2022-08-22 18:33:18	susi	`xset dkms force suspend' does the same, comes on immediately?
2022-08-22 18:34:07	artefact	can you reproduce with an empty xinitrc and xinit/startx? check xorg.0.log in .local/share/xorg for dpms/edid stuff
2022-08-22 18:34:36	artefact	try a different monitor or a different cable (eg hdmi->DP) too, if you can
2022-08-22 18:35:37	bluetail	neither directory exists
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2022-08-22 18:44:40	bluetail	what do I do?
2022-08-22 18:44:40	susi	if it's not 'rootless' xorg, then the log's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
2022-08-22 18:44:40	bluetail	yea there it is
2022-08-22 18:44:40	Edu4rdSHL	We (Chaotic AUR) build -rcs of the kernel too, Vorpal
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2022-08-22 18:44:40	Vorpal	Edu4rdSHL: I really do not want to run a -rc, and if sata is broken that won't work anyway
2022-08-22 18:44:40	bluetail	https://termbin.com/ywu9n
2022-08-22 18:44:40	bluetail	[ 34090.146] (EE) event14 - ckb1: CORSAIR K100 RGB Optical-Mechanical Gaming Keyboard vKB: client bug: event processing lagging behind by 23ms, your system is too slow
2022-08-22 18:44:40	bluetail	lol
2022-08-22 18:44:40	Edu4rdSHL	Vorpal, just saying :p
2022-08-22 18:44:40	Edu4rdSHL	bluetail, well, your system is too slow :p
2022-08-22 18:44:40	bluetail	its a 5800x3d and a 6950xt
2022-08-22 18:44:40	Edu4rdSHL	Still, your system is too slow
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2022-08-22 18:44:40	bluetail	https://github.com/ckb-next/ckb-next/issues/829
2022-08-22 18:44:40	susi	you got too hardcore a keyboard, your system's just not up to it
2022-08-22 18:44:40	bluetail	:D
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2022-08-22 18:44:40	artefact	do you use threadirq? preempt=full? maybe it might help (or maybe not)
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2022-08-22 18:45:04	susi	take a look into linux-zen
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2022-08-22 18:45:24	bluetail	makes no diff
2022-08-22 18:45:26	bluetail	I had it
2022-08-22 18:45:41	bluetail	even putting the linux headers didnt help
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2022-08-22 18:48:19	Edu4rdSHL	Or just ignore these messages
2022-08-22 18:48:30	Edu4rdSHL	Looks like a non-harming error
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2022-08-22 18:49:01	citazen	if u just run 1 screen does it suspend?
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2022-08-22 18:51:14	pigeta	hello
2022-08-22 18:51:19	citazen	o/
2022-08-22 18:51:57	pigeta	i need a software to ceck hard drive
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2022-08-22 18:52:30	pigeta	i cant see hard drive of 2 TB only 1 TB
2022-08-22 18:52:39	citazen	clean out cache?
2022-08-22 18:52:39	bluetail	smartctl 
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2022-08-22 18:53:46	citazen	i have that issue too. it seems aftr time my HD fills up with all the packages caches. is there an auto way to keep this cleaned out
2022-08-22 18:53:49	MrElendig	pigeta: post fdisk -l output
2022-08-22 18:53:51	teraflops	aliexpress? :D
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2022-08-22 18:56:48	fdnick	Hi all, is there a flag to the makepkg call that allows to override cflags of makepkg.conf? I wan't -flto enabled by default, but disable it for some packages
2022-08-22 18:57:14	MrElendig	fdnick: use the options array instead of cflags directly
2022-08-22 18:57:22	MrElendig	then you can options=(!lto)
2022-08-22 18:57:30	MrElendig	see the man page for details
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2022-08-22 19:00:30	artefact	for per-package overrides, you can use makepkg --config
2022-08-22 19:00:33	pigeta	https://pastebin.com/tE8e9eiN
2022-08-22 19:00:34	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o9Si.f3vizL1A
2022-08-22 19:00:34	phrik	Title: pigeta - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-08-22 19:00:45	pigeta	the output is strange
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2022-08-22 19:01:25	pigeta	i also try kde partition manager
2022-08-22 19:01:26	MrElendig	LANG=C
2022-08-22 19:02:00	MrElendig	SAMSUNG HD103UJ  is a 1tb drive
2022-08-22 19:02:09	MrElendig	why do you think it should be 2tb?
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2022-08-22 19:02:31	MrElendig	the 2tb version have a different model name
2022-08-22 19:02:45	rcf	Maybe they were scammed by someone who put the 1TB drive in the 2TB box? 
2022-08-22 19:02:49	gehidore	probably bought it as a 2 from some obscure website
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2022-08-22 19:03:10	gehidore	have seen that too many times to count even on places like Amazon
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2022-08-22 19:04:34	fdnick	MrElendig: thanks
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2022-08-22 19:14:26	spo0n	I have edited alacritty's regs for http and https to open the links with librewolf --new-window instead of xdg-open
2022-08-22 19:14:42	spo0n	but I now get "Unable to launch librewolf --new-window with args ["https://archlinux.org/"]" as an error message
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2022-08-22 19:15:28	spo0n	however, manually running "librewolf --new-window https://archlinux.org/" works just fine
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2022-08-22 19:17:53	artefact	you want librewolf with args ["--new-window", ...] not a binary named "librewolf --new-window"
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2022-08-22 19:20:00	spo0n	huh, I would'ce thought that inserting the command would've worked given the formating of the config while but I guess I'll see if I can make it work with a script
2022-08-22 19:20:34	artefact	it's probably just calling exec[lv][ep] with whatever value as arg 0
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2022-08-22 19:21:55	spo0n	I dunno why but for my tech illiterate brain "slaps this in terminal before the link" would've made more sense as a way to execute it but thank you
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2022-08-22 19:25:24	teraflops	spo0n: or setup xdg-open to use librewolf to open webpages
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2022-08-22 19:26:59	teraflops	whatever librewolf is…
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2022-08-22 19:27:36	MrElendig	teraflops: a worse firefox
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2022-08-22 19:28:42	MrElendig	though they are slightly better at keeping it up to date now
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2022-08-22 19:30:09	spo0n	teraflops: that would be the obvious way and I have done it but I want links in terminal to open as new windows instead of as new tabs 
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2022-08-22 19:32:45	teraflops	spo0n: then edit the exec line inside librewolf.desktop 
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2022-08-22 19:33:50	teraflops	I guess by default it is librewolf %u
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2022-08-22 19:52:18	spo0n	teraflops: see, that would be easy /s but I do want it to open links in new tab if on any other application so that is the plan b
2022-08-22 19:52:51	teraflops	just giving you alternatives that's up to you obviously
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2022-08-22 19:53:56	spo0n	am thankful and no idea why I didn't think of that before
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2022-08-23 17:35:00	roxlu	after installing windows I had to run `refind-install` again (after booting with my arch usb, arch-chrooting)
2022-08-23 17:35:08	roxlu	but after that it works great
2022-08-23 17:48:20	bwanda	url=https://location.services.mozilla.com/v1/geolocate?key=geoclue not working please help?
2022-08-23 17:48:33	bwanda	its timesout?
2022-08-23 17:48:51	susi	works for me
2022-08-23 17:50:11	bwanda	susi: http://ix.io/48qC hee the config?
2022-08-23 17:51:27	susi	oh you were talking about redshift. I use it with constant -O 3500 :)
2022-08-23 17:52:54	bwanda	susi: can you help me with redshift configuration?
2022-08-23 17:53:24	susi	if you curl that url, does it return json with accurate enough values?
2022-08-23 17:54:05	bwanda	its returns susi correct lat long
2022-08-23 17:55:59	susi	bwanda: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/redshift#Automatic_location_based_on_GeoClue2
2022-08-23 17:55:59	phrik	Title: Redshift - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-23 17:59:58	bwanda	susi: i used -l but help me out with it please?
2022-08-23 18:00:15	artefact	are you constantly moving? that seems a bit wasteful
2022-08-23 18:00:24	bwanda	okay wait.. let me read the wiki
2022-08-23 18:00:36	susi	bwanda: have you edited your geoclue.conf
2022-08-23 18:00:52	susi	is your geoclue.service running
2022-08-23 18:01:53	bwanda	yes susi let me see that
2022-08-23 18:02:03	susi	then you need to put location-provider=geoclue2 in redshift.conf, too
2022-08-23 18:03:07	bwanda	susi: Active: inactive (dead)
2022-08-23 18:03:49	susi	see the wiki page about enabling the geoclue/its agent
2022-08-23 18:11:19	citazen	can i choose to go uefi/gpt or is that dependent on my hardware?
2022-08-23 18:11:42	artefact	uefi depends on your motherboard. gpt you can always use, it's up to the bootloader to support it
2022-08-23 18:11:53	MacGyver	citazen: That is dependent on your hardware but the odds your hardware doesn't support UEFI/GPT are slim.
2022-08-23 18:11:57	MacGyver	citazen: How old is said hardware?
2022-08-23 18:13:55	citazen	my mcahine used win 7 pro, but the external HD i just baught is what i am working on
2022-08-23 18:14:34	citazen	so it shoule be able to run uefi/gpt?
2022-08-23 18:14:45	citazen	and bios not needed?
2022-08-23 18:14:53	MacGyver	I'm not interested in the age of the external HD.
2022-08-23 18:15:00	MacGyver	I'm interested in the age of the machine itself.
2022-08-23 18:15:04	citazen	ah k
2022-08-23 18:15:08	citazen	then yes older machine
2022-08-23 18:15:20	astralc	it depend on the motherboard
2022-08-23 18:15:21	citazen	so then i need a bios on the external HD 
2022-08-23 18:15:26	citazen	ok ty
2022-08-23 18:15:26	astralc	how much old?
2022-08-23 18:15:34	citazen	it ran win 7 last i seen
2022-08-23 18:15:34	astralc	6 years? 12 years?
2022-08-23 18:15:37	citazen	yeah
2022-08-23 18:15:58	citazen	im stigfking with bios/mbr
2022-08-23 18:16:16	jelle	you want UEFI these days for fwupd :)
2022-08-23 18:16:32	citazen	ok lets try it out
2022-08-23 18:16:53	citazen	if i dont make it back in 1 week, know i faught a good fight
2022-08-23 18:16:57	jelle	more true on a laptpo :)
2022-08-23 18:17:08	citazen	i want to put arch on external HD
2022-08-23 18:17:23	citazen	but dont want to use the whole HD for it
2022-08-23 18:18:19	citazen	partition, mkfile, mount. wish me luck all o/
2022-08-23 18:18:42	astralc	win 7 supported uefi
2022-08-23 18:19:55	astralc	citazen: it is not luck, it is perseverance
2022-08-23 18:26:23	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-08-23 18:29:26	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-08-23 18:29:26	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-08-23 18:32:54	Momentum	is $LD_LIBRARY_PATH intentionally not set by default on new installations?
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2022-08-23 18:34:05	cyphertite	citazen:  my 12 year old laptop shipped with Win 7 when new.  Been multi-OS UEFI booting Win and *nix since then ;p
2022-08-23 18:34:06	Scimmia	yes
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2022-08-23 18:37:38	bluetail	why would you allow location in the first place
2022-08-23 18:37:47	bluetail	pass the coords manually
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2022-08-23 18:37:56	bluetail	or rather the city
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2022-08-23 18:38:38	artefact	^
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2022-08-23 18:41:01	powftw	I had asked this question once here. I use i3 window manager. I need to display my current cpu usage at my bar. I use `mpstat` command now. It's showing 9% usage while `top` command shows 1% usage. 
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2022-08-23 18:41:23	bluetail	powftw I also use the i3, but i3gaps
2022-08-23 18:41:40	powftw	Which is the best way to get avg cpu load. ? I can ask it say every 3 seconds or something 
2022-08-23 18:41:54	teraflops	powftw: which _bar_ are you using?
2022-08-23 18:42:01	powftw	I3blocks
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2022-08-23 18:42:50	bluetail	I dont have it in the taskbar since conky is running always
2022-08-23 18:43:14	susi	I just switched to i3status-rust, it's pretty nice
2022-08-23 18:43:43	bluetail	hmm, what has improved?
2022-08-23 18:43:44	teraflops	powftw: I'd use something that polls less, e.g i3pystatus which ships modules for cpu and more 
2022-08-23 18:43:47	powftw	`mpstat` is weird or `top` is. Idk why those are showing different cpu usage 
2022-08-23 18:44:09	bluetail	cant u have like 500% cpu load in top
2022-08-23 18:44:35	bluetail	(when u have n cores but 5 cpus are at 100%)
2022-08-23 18:44:38	susi	I think 1min 5min 15min load averages are telling enough :)
2022-08-23 18:44:41	bluetail	(cores)
2022-08-23 18:44:50	powftw	teraflops: it doesn't ask for CPU usage but rather gives it when there's a load change?
2022-08-23 18:45:08	teraflops	i3pystatus?
2022-08-23 18:45:13	powftw	Yes
2022-08-23 18:45:31	bluetail	I'd siwtch to i3 rust cause i3 status is buggy sometimes
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2022-08-23 18:45:41	teraflops	yeah it is more io firendly
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2022-08-23 18:46:37	teraflops	friendly ;P
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2022-08-23 18:46:51	powftw	teraflops: polling=publishing when there's a change in expected datam
2022-08-23 18:47:00	powftw	data*
2022-08-23 18:47:02	powftw	?
2022-08-23 18:47:29	teraflops	polling as in executing a command all the time
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2022-08-23 18:49:03	powftw	Back to the point, which is a better cli tool in anyone's opinion which is bit more stdout friendly to display the same somewhere 
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2022-08-23 18:49:32	pigeta	hi all
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2022-08-23 18:49:41	pigeta	cant mount harddrive
2022-08-23 18:49:50	powftw	!hello
2022-08-23 18:49:51	phrik	hello? http://i.imgur.com/8pwTF.gif
2022-08-23 18:49:57	teraflops	powftw: e.g while true; do mpstat; sleep 5; 
2022-08-23 18:49:58	pigeta	 sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/disco 
2022-08-23 18:49:58	pigeta	mount: /mnt/disco: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or mount point busy. dmesg(1) may have more information after failed mount system call.
2022-08-23 18:50:07	pigeta	this is the error
2022-08-23 18:50:18	pigeta	i don't know what to do
2022-08-23 18:50:47	heat	pigeta, it's already mounted
2022-08-23 18:50:48	heat	there you go
2022-08-23 18:50:51	teraflops	lsblk?
2022-08-23 18:50:52	Scimmia	pigeta: what does`mount` give you?
2022-08-23 18:50:58	pigeta	where?
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2022-08-23 18:51:07	pigeta	mmm wait
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2022-08-23 18:51:18	powftw	teraflops: what makes the difference from what you said with `mpstat | cut -dfoo -f bar`
2022-08-23 18:51:19	bluetail	sudo umount -l /dev/sdb1; sudo blkid > tmp; cat tmp | nc termbin.com 9999
2022-08-23 18:51:19	heat	if you're a DE it's possible its in /run/media or whatever they use
2022-08-23 18:51:38	powftw	teraflops: i3blocks can set interval of 5 seconds 
2022-08-23 18:51:50	heat	s/you're/you're using/
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2022-08-23 18:52:28	teraflops	you are executing that evry 5 seconds, that what I call polling
2022-08-23 18:52:30	bluetail	be a chad and  post the link the command gave u
2022-08-23 18:52:44	teraflops	that's^
2022-08-23 18:53:36	pigeta	https://pastebin.com/fC5YNCEx
2022-08-23 18:53:37	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o99_.B4iML5Ck
2022-08-23 18:53:37	phrik	Title: pigeta - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-08-23 18:53:52	pigeta	i cant see the mount point of this device
2022-08-23 18:54:00	pigeta	maybe you can
2022-08-23 18:54:29	Namarrgon	did you change that mount's line in fstab recently?
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2022-08-23 18:56:17	Scimmia	pigeta: did you check dmesg like it said?
2022-08-23 18:56:30	pigeta	no i dont know how
2022-08-23 18:57:01	heat	sudo dmesg
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2022-08-23 19:00:11	pigeta	there are many messages very long
2022-08-23 19:00:28	pigeta	even the output is not complete
2022-08-23 19:00:43	heat	sudo dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
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2022-08-23 19:04:29	dirtcastle	zathura on archlinux is not reading epub properly. 
2022-08-23 19:05:16	dirtcastle	how to fix
2022-08-23 19:05:42	dirtcastle	do u guys want to see the image. I'll host it in imgur if it ok for you
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2022-08-23 19:05:59	teraflops	dirtcastle: zathura has several optional deps
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2022-08-23 19:07:54	dirtcastle	I am using zathura-pdf-mupdf from official repo
2022-08-23 19:08:12	teraflops	that's what the wiki says it's needed to read epubs
2022-08-23 19:08:19	dirtcastle	Poppler doesn't red epub at all it seems
2022-08-23 19:08:24	dirtcastle	read
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2022-08-23 19:15:51	pigeta	https://termbin.com/8167h
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2022-08-23 19:20:25	pigeta	dont know what to look in all those messages
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2022-08-23 19:21:15	dirtcastle	seems like the problem were with the files and not zathura. 120 mb file renders properly. 4 mb file doesn't 
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2022-08-23 19:26:39	k4noi	dirtcastle: tried running from the command line? maybe it's something related to the file as you said
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2022-08-23 19:27:06	dirtcastle	yes. from command line only. 
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2022-08-23 19:29:37	dirtcastle	I'm installing calibre and opening the same file in that. 
2022-08-23 19:29:43	dirtcastle	and compare
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2022-08-23 19:35:50	k4noi	there's no output?
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2022-08-23 19:37:30	analoq	im trying to figure out why pulse mutes certain applications. mainly cmus and clementine.
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2022-08-23 19:38:03	analoq	i've to open pavucontrol and manually unmute these apps. sometimes after each song
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2022-08-23 19:45:49	teraflops	analoq: which DE/WM?
2022-08-23 19:46:50	analoq	teraflops: no de and i3
2022-08-23 19:47:09	teraflops	pastebin the output of pactl list modules please
2022-08-23 19:47:15	analoq	it used to work. i havent used any music players in a while, thus im unsure how long the issue is around
2022-08-23 19:48:10	analoq	https://dpaste.com/5XQAEBN2Y.txt
2022-08-23 19:49:30	analoq	what i found was 'amixer -c 0 sset "Auto-Mute Mode" Disabled' but that doesn't seem to fix it
2022-08-23 19:49:32	teraflops	analoq: run pactl unload-module module-role-cork and see whether the issue presists
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2022-08-23 19:50:38	analoq	teraflops: that seems to help. dang i saw that suggestions as well. but it didnt help OP there so i didnt bother
2022-08-23 19:50:59	teraflops	make it persistent if that fixes the issue
2022-08-23 19:51:27	teraflops	idk why is that module loaded by default
2022-08-23 19:51:44	analoq	i wonder if that also fixes the issue that i have to jump start my audio interface with firefox :D
2022-08-23 19:52:08	analoq	ive to start an audio output with firefox then teamspeak works :D
2022-08-23 19:52:20	teraflops	analoq: switch to pipewire I guess
2022-08-23 19:52:35	teraflops	that's de facto default these days
2022-08-23 19:52:50	analoq	hm will look into that, never heard if it before tbh
2022-08-23 19:54:20	analoq	oh pipewire replaces pulse? :O
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2022-08-23 19:55:46	analoq	tyty for the quick help :3
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2022-08-23 19:55:50	teraflops	np
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2022-08-23 19:56:56	DeepDayze	Another happy customer 🙂
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2022-08-23 20:01:17	k4noi	teraflops: i've been having crackling issues with pipewire that associate with 100% cpu, and haven't had the time to check those parameters in pipewire.conf
2022-08-23 20:01:17	k4noi	pulse was way more of a no brainer, but admittedly pipewire looks better
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2022-08-23 20:04:04	Namarrgon	pigeta: systemctl --type mount
2022-08-23 20:04:11	teraflops	k4noi: I was hesitant to switch to pipewire till I needed to setup jack for an audio interface, it worked out of the box with pipewire
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2022-08-23 22:13:52	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1461 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1460 normals)
2022-08-23 22:07:06	Namarrgon	you can have four primary partitions or 3 primary plus one extended partition
2022-08-23 22:07:30	Namarrgon	ideally you would switch to gpt where there is no such limitation but you'd have to get windows to boot in uefi mode then
2022-08-23 22:07:56	morteza24	I wish I could just merge two partitions
2022-08-23 22:08:19	morteza24	sda3 and sda4 could just be one partition
2022-08-23 22:08:51	citazen	do i need to run swap on if i used gdisk?
2022-08-23 22:12:11	Namarrgon	gdisk handles activating swap as well as it cooks an egg
2022-08-23 22:12:48	coruja	!grab Namarrgon 
2022-08-23 22:12:48	phrik	coruja: Tada!
2022-08-23 22:13:52	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-08-24 14:21:40	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1425 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1423 normals)
2022-08-24 14:02:22	Namarrgon	do you have any of the xdg-desktop-portal* packages installed?
2022-08-24 14:02:56	another|	bluetail: virt-manager does not need root
2022-08-24 14:02:58	bug2000	I thought I did. I guess not.
2022-08-24 14:03:35	bluetail	another| without root it doesnt show create a virtual machine
2022-08-24 14:03:51	bug2000	Though I might have removed it as I deleted flatpak now.
2022-08-24 14:03:53	bluetail	can run without root, but not create
2022-08-24 14:03:59	Namarrgon	bluetail: flatpak depends on xdg-desktop-portal-impl, so you have at least least one of them
2022-08-24 14:04:03	Namarrgon	bug2000: ^
2022-08-24 14:04:18	bug2000	Namarrgon, Well, trying to install flatpak forces you to choose one of them.
2022-08-24 14:04:21	another|	roxlu: serial number?
2022-08-24 14:04:36	Namarrgon	bug2000: yes, that'S the cause of the delay
2022-08-24 14:05:05	roxlu	another|: I've got a couple of the same devices. I think I should base a rule on the PID/VID + USB port
2022-08-24 14:05:17	roxlu	I have to read up a bit how to match the usb port 
2022-08-24 14:05:45	bug2000	Namarrgon, ok, this is a bit odd. I reinstalled flatpak. Choose some xdg-desktop-portal, and now it does start quickly?
2022-08-24 14:05:53	bug2000	Might need to reboot to make sure. Maybe later.
2022-08-24 14:05:54	another|	bluetail: you just need to right group. not need to run virt-manager as root
2022-08-24 14:08:16	another|	roxlu: serial numbers are supposed to be unique
2022-08-24 14:08:55	roxlu	Ah, maybe you're talking about another serial I was thinking about. How would I get that serial?
2022-08-24 14:09:01	Namarrgon	many of these cheap devices just have the same SN, too much effort to change it
2022-08-24 14:09:23	another|	that's why I wrote "supposed"
2022-08-24 14:10:51	roxlu	Ok. In this situation it would be fine to map the PID/VID and USB port. 
2022-08-24 14:16:30	Scimmia	chowbok: somone on the forums was just having the BTF issue on an i7-7700K
2022-08-24 14:20:58	skaphle	I just updated my system and firefox now shows much larger UI items and text, how do I fix this?
2022-08-24 14:21:02	roxlu	Is the mapping of a physical USB port to a name like "/devices/pci:000..." common/same on all linux based systems? I'm trying to get an understanding how this works.
2022-08-24 14:21:40	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-08-24 14:21:49	Namarrgon	it only works on this one system and will likely fail anywhere else since the topology is different
2022-08-24 14:22:01	◣	Enitin (~Enitin@5.180.62.231) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2022-08-24 14:22:01	Namarrgon	hardware changes will also break this rule
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2022-08-24 14:22:33	roxlu	Namarrgon: was that for me :) ?
2022-08-24 14:22:36	Namarrgon	yes
2022-08-24 14:22:40	roxlu	ah ok yeah makes sense
2022-08-24 14:23:05	Namarrgon	ideally you should rely only on the metadata provided by the device to the usb stack
2022-08-24 14:23:09	roxlu	but the naming like: "/devices/pci:<address>/<address>/..." is "standardized"
2022-08-24 14:23:13	roxlu	yeah 
2022-08-24 14:23:33	Namarrgon	yes but the address can change
2022-08-24 14:23:34	roxlu	though I have no unique meta data; my idea is to use PID/VID + usb port
2022-08-24 14:23:37	roxlu	ok thanks
2022-08-24 14:24:13	roxlu	When you see this output of udevadm, https://gist.github.com/roxlu/8dbb5b132558cce7b2b61ee9bdcb34b7#file-udevadm-log what match key should I use?
2022-08-24 14:24:34	roxlu	is it line 55 that indicates the physical usb port?
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2022-08-24 14:28:11	Namarrgon	55 is the path to the device in /sys
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2022-08-24 14:28:56	Namarrgon	there is indeed very little data to identify it
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2022-08-24 14:30:52	roxlu	when I reconnect the device, dmesg shows me `/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-10/1-10:1.0/0003:0079:0006.0010/input/input44` so it seems that line 55/56 is the physical port
2022-08-24 14:31:28	Namarrgon	you can plug it into a different port and then diff the udevadm info output
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2022-08-24 14:35:07	citazen	is there a simle comang to convert a efo2 efi  partition into a bios ef00
2022-08-24 14:35:16	citazen	mkfs.fat -F 32 /dev/sdb1 like this one
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2022-08-24 14:36:00	charlie5	latest cuda/tensorflow/python updates fix recent segfault bug when 'import tensorflow as tf'
2022-08-24 14:36:08	charlie5	nice ! .. :D
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2022-08-24 14:36:38	⚡ 	charlie5 thought he had stuffed it up himself somehow
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2022-08-24 14:36:51	roxlu	Namarrgon: good idea! https://editor.mergely.com/BoNTDxo7/ 
2022-08-24 14:36:52	phrik	Title: Mergely - Diff online, merge documents (at editor.mergely.com)
2022-08-24 14:36:54	Namarrgon	citazen: there's nothing to convert; if grub detects the correct partition type of the ef02 partition it will use it
2022-08-24 14:36:58	another|	citazen: wipe it and change partition type
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2022-08-24 14:42:37	roxlu	Namarrgon: so besides the timing values which are different, the `devnum` and `devpath` are different (which are the same as KERNELS=``
2022-08-24 14:42:37	lf94	Hey guys, I'm following https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VirtualBox and installed virtualbox-host-modules-arch but for some reason the vboxdrv is not present at all?...
2022-08-24 14:42:37	phrik	Title: VirtualBox - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-24 14:42:37	lf94	I even rebooted
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2022-08-24 14:42:37	ponies	lf94: use systemd-modules-load.service to load VirtualBox modules automatically at boot time
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2022-08-24 14:42:37	citazen	ok reparting and reinstalling today
2022-08-24 14:42:37	bittin	note to self: don't install the wrong grub
2022-08-24 14:42:37	Scimmia	lf94: uname -r?
2022-08-24 14:42:37	Namarrgon	roxlu: as long as devnum/devpath is unique across all hubs that would be usable
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2022-08-24 14:42:37	ponies	grub2 is grub 
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2022-08-24 14:46:15	bittin	ponies, yeah but i was dumb enough to install the new grub2 from Arch Linux testing repos on something thats not really Arch Linux testing but EndeavourOS
2022-08-24 14:46:18	bittin	computer got sad :p
2022-08-24 14:46:32	⚡ 	bittin is dumb
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2022-08-24 17:13:30	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1435 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1433 normals)
2022-08-24 17:12:28	nij-	got it :) thanks!
2022-08-24 17:12:39	artefact	ext4 esp? i wonder which hardware supports it
2022-08-24 17:13:31	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-08-24 17:13:41	◣	citazen (~citazen@ip70-178-135-120.ks.ks.cox.net) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-08-24 17:14:29	Scimmia	I wonder how long it will take them to figure out they're in way over their head
2022-08-24 17:15:08	◣	chuck_ (~chuck@186.39.230.80) ha salido (Client Quit)
2022-08-24 17:15:40	ponies	maybe it was a question
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2022-08-24 17:15:51	ponies	fat 32 
2022-08-24 17:16:34	Scimmia	they know, we covered that yesterday
2022-08-24 17:16:38	ponies	oh i see 
2022-08-24 17:16:58	coruja	i wonder why they're messing with efi again
2022-08-24 17:17:08	ponies	yes 
2022-08-24 17:18:39	silly	Khorne, nij- https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/the-laptop-with-two-brains-lenovo-thinkpad-x1-hybrid-doubles-down-on-cpus/
2022-08-24 17:18:40	phrik	Title: The laptop with two brains: Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Hybrid doubles down on CPUs - CNET (at www.cnet.com)
2022-08-24 17:18:42	coruja	maybe they meant to use the little partition as /boot partition on their bios system
2022-08-24 17:19:10	Khorne	silly, yea ok, if you run two computers you can run two OS at the same time
2022-08-24 17:19:41	cyphertite	nij-:  every *nix distro supports multiple concurrent users, none support multiple concurrent running OSes.  As others have suggested, if that is what you want, learn how to use (multiple) Guest VM sessions within your Arch Host ;p
2022-08-24 17:19:52	artefact	*cough* qubes
2022-08-24 17:19:55	another|	they're gone
2022-08-24 17:20:02	Khorne	artefact, VMs were excluded
2022-08-24 17:20:18	artefact	it's a hypervisor! it's totally different
2022-08-24 17:20:30	Khorne	zz
2022-08-24 17:20:54	silly	i prefer multiple cpus on one board
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2022-08-24 17:21:18	NoImNotNineVolt	over what, one cpu on multiple boards?
2022-08-24 17:21:25	artefact	here's an idea. how about multiple mobo/cpu combos ,each in their little separate box with their own peripherals
2022-08-24 17:21:41	Khorne	artefact, yes and then you run one OS over all of them, like k8s
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2022-08-24 17:21:51	artefact	kates?
2022-08-24 17:21:56	Khorne	yes
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2022-08-24 17:22:05	Khorne	KateOS the OS made entirely from KDE editors
2022-08-24 17:22:28	NoImNotNineVolt	great os, but it could use a good text editor
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2022-08-24 17:26:25	citazen	how im looking atm https://pastebin.com/raw/VpSthqFq
2022-08-24 17:26:26	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o9yr.HJlDv9Mx
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2022-08-24 17:26:53	citazen	i reformated the 100 UEFI to ext4 and mounted that to the boot for grub install
2022-08-24 17:27:13	ponies	NO 
2022-08-24 17:27:22	citazen	so now i have a 1M bios boot and a 100M brub ext4 boot?
2022-08-24 17:27:35	citazen	100M grub
2022-08-24 17:27:44	ponies	hello -- listen. you have no business formatting an EFI partition when you said it was incompatitble with your motherboard
2022-08-24 17:27:49	another|	does your UEFI support ext4?
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2022-08-24 17:27:57	citazen	i dont have UEFI
2022-08-24 17:27:59	citazen	im bios
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2022-08-24 17:28:11	citazen	older machine
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2022-08-24 17:28:45	citazen	i hope this made sense ^
2022-08-24 17:28:51	another|	err... why do you have a 100M ESP then?
2022-08-24 17:29:00	citazen	good question
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2022-08-24 17:29:15	citazen	confused and lost looking for the north star atm
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2022-08-24 17:29:27	citazen	i thought i need UEFI
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2022-08-24 17:29:40	citazen	as bios is being deprecated
2022-08-24 17:29:44	jelle	how did you check you have no UEFI?
2022-08-24 17:29:49	another|	is your system UEFI?
2022-08-24 17:30:00	coruja	they have an ext4 /boot partition, when i got it right, not efi anymore
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2022-08-24 17:30:28	citazen	The easiest way to find out if you are running UEFI or BIOS is to look for a folder /sys/firmware/efi
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2022-08-24 17:30:49	jelle	yes
2022-08-24 17:30:55	jelle	or go into your bios
2022-08-24 17:30:57	citazen	i dont have an efi folder
2022-08-24 17:31:12	jelle	as your bios might have selected legacy mode
2022-08-24 17:32:00	ziketor	can someone help me setup cuckoo sanbox on arch linux
2022-08-24 17:32:12	ziketor	sorry to interrupt
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2022-08-24 17:33:07	jelle	they have an irc channel :P
2022-08-24 17:33:21	citazen	jelle i am in the machines bios where would i look for legacy mode
2022-08-24 17:33:36	jelle	uhh, citazen is this a laptop or desktop?
2022-08-24 17:33:41	citazen	dell laptop
2022-08-24 17:33:50	jelle	citazen: o this is easier, which model
2022-08-24 17:33:57	ziketor	thx jelle
2022-08-24 17:34:01	◣	graves (~graves@user/graves) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-08-24 17:34:30	citazen	product name: inspiron n5010
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2022-08-24 17:35:12	jelle	hmm i3
2022-08-24 17:35:23	citazen	yes
2022-08-24 17:35:36	citazen	runds win7
2022-08-24 17:36:08	jelle	oh 2010 thingy oof
2022-08-24 17:36:51	jelle	citazen: this model has no UEFI support
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2022-08-24 17:37:58	citazen	ok tyu
2022-08-24 17:38:05	lachesis	is anyone else having issues with nvidia proprietary driver and linux 5.19?
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2022-08-24 17:38:16	lachesis	i keep getting a hard freeze of X11 and "NVRM: GPU 0000:08:00.0: GPU has fallen off the bus."
2022-08-24 17:38:19	Scimmia	lachesis: make sure you've got the pahole downgrade
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2022-08-24 17:38:26	Scimmia	oh, something else, nevermind
2022-08-24 17:38:56	lachesis	huh i have never heard of pahole before but i don't think that is it
2022-08-24 17:39:24	lachesis	i just did a downgrade back to nvidia 515.57-11 and linux 5.18.15.arch1-2
2022-08-24 17:39:38	lachesis	(the config i had running before my latest upgrade, which i think introduced the issue)
2022-08-24 17:40:24	lachesis	it has faulted several times a day since the upgrade, so if i make it 2 days without issues, i'll be pretty convinced. then i guess it's time to bisect
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2022-08-24 17:40:34	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1432 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1430 normals)
2022-08-24 17:40:36	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-08-24 17:41:36	lachesis	it is not particularly reproducible... it seems to happen at random. sometimes playing videos, other times just typing in vim, once while i was away from the desk with the machine idle (maybe xscreensaver tried to start though or something?)
2022-08-24 17:42:09	astralc	lachesis: I had problem like this in my old computer, because to much dust
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2022-08-24 17:42:21	ponies	maybe Nvidia broke their drivers
2022-08-24 17:42:44	ponies	lachesis: journalctl -p3 
2022-08-24 17:42:57	astralc	I don't have problem with nvidia, I am using it now
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2022-08-24 17:44:27	teraflops	0 issues with nvidia here as well
2022-08-24 17:44:42	teraflops	and latest kernel
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2022-08-24 17:45:27	lachesis	http://ix.io/48wj
2022-08-24 17:45:31	lachesis	that's all that looks relevant
2022-08-24 17:46:01	lachesis	i'm using a 1070 Ti; temps look ok right now, only 47°C.
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2022-08-24 17:46:08	astralc	where is the fall of the bus error?
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2022-08-24 17:46:36	astralc	is it supported on latest driver version?
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2022-08-24 17:47:05	lachesis	http://ix.io/48wn
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2022-08-24 17:48:54	lachesis	i believe 1070 Ti is still supported: https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/190419/en-us/
2022-08-24 17:48:56	phrik	Title: Linux x64 (AMD64/EM64T) Display Driver | 515.57 | Linux 64-bit | NVIDIA (at www.nvidia.com)
2022-08-24 17:49:06	astralc	OK
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2022-08-24 17:49:42	lachesis	or this one technically which is the latest: https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/191961/en-us/
2022-08-24 17:49:43	phrik	Title: Linux x64 (AMD64/EM64T) Display Driver | 515.65.01 | Linux 64-bit | NVIDIA (at www.nvidia.com)
2022-08-24 17:49:44	lachesis	both include my card
2022-08-24 17:51:24	ponies	lachesis: do you need the proprietary drivers? what about just mesa? 
2022-08-24 17:51:28	astralc	like I said, it remind me my problem - too much dust. It may be other physical issue?
2022-08-24 17:51:36	lmat	ping registry.npmjs.org; doesn't work. It resolves to 2606:4700::6810:1423 (or something close to that) but I get no returns. Also, when I go to https://ipv6-test.com/, it shows that my IPv6 is busted. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/IPv6 says "IPv6 is enabled by default". I don't think I've done anything to disable it...what should I do?
2022-08-24 17:51:43	phrik	Title: IPv6 - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-08-24 17:52:19	lachesis	ponies, yea i've always run proprietary driver. i play some games in proton and also need video acceleration
2022-08-24 17:53:20	lmat	ip addr shows three inet6 addreses (and one inet address), so I thought ipv6 was working ^_^
2022-08-24 17:53:42	artefact	do you have one with "scope global" ?
2022-08-24 17:53:43	astralc	lmat: disable ipv6 and then try? 
2022-08-24 17:53:45	@MrElendig	lmat: check router and isp
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2022-08-24 17:54:05	@MrElendig	lmat: many routers will block all ipv6 icmp by default which breaks shit
2022-08-24 17:54:09	lmat	artefact: Two with "scope global".
2022-08-24 17:54:24	lmat	MrElendig: Okay.
2022-08-24 17:54:30	@MrElendig	specially when you are trying to fault find
2022-08-24 17:54:42	artefact	yeah icmp is vital for ipv6
2022-08-24 17:54:58	@MrElendig	and of course sucky isp. Mine breaks ipv6 in 5-500min periodes at random
2022-08-24 17:55:22	lmat	MrElendig: Well, I should point out that this problem started because I was unable to run npm i; with the error: "request to https://registry.npmjs.org/-/npm/v1/security/audits/quick failed, reason: connect ETIMEDOUT 2606:4700::6810:1123:443". So, it was an attempt at a TCP connection, not ICMP, which makes me think my problem is deeper than ICMP
2022-08-24 17:55:28	artefact	mine too! and for some reason networkd won't rediscover the prefix until i manually restart it (which sucks for obvious reasons)
2022-08-24 17:56:45	teraflops	lmat: do you have an ipv4 address or it's only ipv6? because with ipv4 it should fall back to ipv4
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2022-08-24 17:57:09	lmat	teraflops: I do have an IPv4 address, both inside NAT and a public IPv4 address.
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2022-08-24 18:00:38	skaphle	I just updated my system and firefox now shows much larger UI items and text, how do I fix this?
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2022-08-24 18:00:54	lmat	skaphle: Using x.org? What desktop environment?
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2022-08-24 18:01:10	skaphle	X and i3
2022-08-24 18:01:19	lmat	skaphle: Check your x screen size.
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2022-08-24 18:02:04	lmat	I have this problem with any QT application (apparently they pay attention to the physical dimensions of the screen and change their size accordingly :-/). Run xrandr and see the `160mm x 90mm` to the right of the connections.
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2022-08-24 18:02:22	artefact	or set Xft.dpi in your xresources
2022-08-24 18:02:43	lmat	skaphle: I have a screen that is about 470mmx300mm but it's reporting as 160mmx90mm so some apps think they need to size up to accommodate my tiny screen :-/
2022-08-24 18:03:23	skaphle	I have Xft.dpi: 144 in Xresources, both my laptop and my external screen have 2560x1440 resolution
2022-08-24 18:03:40	skaphle	xrandr reports both correctly
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2022-08-24 18:03:55	teraflops	skaphle: mind sharing a screenshot?
2022-08-24 18:04:27	lmat	skaphle: What are the physical dimensions of each?
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2022-08-24 18:04:44	lmat	skaphle: (I want to emphasize that I'm not talking about resolution or DPI.)
2022-08-24 18:05:19	skaphle	@teraflops I'm not sure where
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2022-08-24 18:05:36	teraflops	imgur, ix.io
2022-08-24 18:05:38	skaphle	@lmat the laptop is 13in and the external 25in
2022-08-24 18:05:49	skaphle	does the physical size matter?
2022-08-24 18:06:07	@MrElendig	skaphle: guess what the i in dpi stands for
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2022-08-24 18:06:18	@MrElendig	so yes, it matters
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2022-08-24 18:06:58	skaphle	I mean every program stayed the same after the update, emacs, thunderbird, discord; only firefox got larger UI elements and text
2022-08-24 18:06:59	@MrElendig	a 40x120px button will look decently large on 70dpi, it will look pretty damn small on a 240dpi monitor
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2022-08-24 18:08:25	lmat	skaphle: I'm asking what xrandr reports as the physical size. For instance, in "HDMI-0 connected primary 1920x1080+1680+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 160mm x 90mm", I'm concerned about the last 12 characters: "160mm x 90mm".
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2022-08-24 18:08:39	lmat	skaphle: In my case, only zoom shows this ridiculous sizing problem.
2022-08-24 18:09:28	castleard	dear arch experts, I'm trying to connect a conference speaker to my laptop, and it (sorta) works, but I get a weird noise played in addition to the audio. I'm sure it's a software issue because I have two identical speakers and both have the same behavior, and connecting the same speaker via bluetooth works fine. any ideas?
2022-08-24 18:09:39	skaphle	@MrElendig okay that makes sense, but when I move a workspace from laptop to external, I see the exact same amount of lines of code in emacs, so I kind of forgot about physical size
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2022-08-24 18:10:56	skaphle	@lmat eDP1 connected primary 2560x1440+0+1440 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 310mm x 170mm
2022-08-24 18:11:06	lmat	castleard: What's the extra sound? Static? Or a quiet hum that seems correlated with your laptop fan?
2022-08-24 18:11:09	skaphle	@lmat HDMI1 connected 2560x1440+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 550mm x 310mm
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2022-08-24 18:12:22	castleard	lmat: neither, it's a shrill electronic alteration that scales with the volume of the speaker. if I were to guess I'd say that the digital to analog converter messes up the sampling rate or something... ???
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2022-08-24 18:13:18	castleard	lmat: also, cpu fan seems unlikely since the speaker is connected via a docking station, so there's quite a bit of cabling between the fan and the usb port where it is connected
2022-08-24 18:13:28	lmat	skaphle: So about 211 DPI on your laptop monitor, and 118 DPI on your external monitor.
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2022-08-24 18:14:02	lmat	castleard: Sure, I wouldn't expect analog noise over bluetooth...but I wouldn't be surprised either ^_^
2022-08-24 18:14:14	skaphle	@lmat so the 144 I put in Xresources get ignored completely?
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2022-08-24 18:14:44	lmat	castleard: The digital-to-analog converter will be in the bluetooth speaker. If they're both exhibiting the problem, that means they both have the same bug which is unlikely. Changing the sampling rate shouldn't result in artifacts that are dependent on volume.
2022-08-24 18:14:50	lmat	skaphle: That's above my paygrade, friend.
2022-08-24 18:14:52	citazen	WE HAVE TERMINAL!!!
2022-08-24 18:15:16	lmat	citazen: Welcome to irssi?
2022-08-24 18:15:19	citazen	lel
2022-08-24 18:15:29	citazen	no i mean ion the External HD
2022-08-24 18:15:40	citazen	plugged it nto laptop and booted
2022-08-24 18:15:41	skaphle	@lmat oh I think I figured it out. Previously firefox didn't respect any change in Xresources, so I changed layout.css.devPixelsPerPx to 1.25 and made a comment in my Xresources file. Apparently now firefox changed something and I don't need that anymore
2022-08-24 18:15:42	castleard	lmat: I see. my hope was that there's just some bug in the linux driver for that particular speaker, which could be fixed by simply updating it or similar.
2022-08-24 18:15:42	@MrElendig	skaphle: as long as the resolution is the same you will see the same amount of pixels
2022-08-24 18:15:56	@MrElendig	lmat: but if the dpi goes up, they will be physically smaller
2022-08-24 18:16:00	lmat	citazen: Oh wow, way to go!
2022-08-24 18:16:17	lmat	skaphle: Great!
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2022-08-24 18:17:19	lmat	castleard: Could be. I really can't say what's going on. I assume you've tried broadcasting several sources of sound? youtube, VLC, ffplay, etc.? The built-in speakers don't exhibit this problem? What about headphones? Sorry, only generic troubleshooting suggestions here.
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2022-08-24 18:18:40	castleard	lmat: highly appreciated! -> several sources of sound: the noise is already present when not playing any sound, so I'd say that's not it. builtin speakers don't have that issue: correct, neither does my external sound card connecting to a 5.1 system or my analogue headset or the internal speakers of my external monitor.
2022-08-24 18:20:14	castleard	lmat: the noise appears as soon as I plug in the speaker via usb and doesn't vanish even if I software-mute it. only the volume control *on the speaker* changes its volume, not the software one
2022-08-24 18:20:53	@MrElendig	castleard: classic grounding/interferance issue
2022-08-24 18:21:01	lmat	castleard: Ahh, a USB speaker. I thought it was bluetooth.
2022-08-24 18:21:07	castleard	lmat: both identical speakers make the exact same noise
2022-08-24 18:21:25	teraflops	castleard: tried with another usb cable ot plugging it to a differnt usb port?
2022-08-24 18:21:27	castleard	lmat: it has bluetooth and USB. connecting via bluetooth works fine, only connecting via USB has the issue (sorry for not being clearer earlier)
2022-08-24 18:21:28	lmat	castleard: Try unplugging your charger. MrElendig is always right ^_^
2022-08-24 18:21:33	artefact	do they have an analog input? or just usb audio interface?
2022-08-24 18:21:44	artefact	try plugging them on a different device or on a wall charger, could be emi
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2022-08-24 18:22:37	castleard	lmat, teraflops, MrElendig, artefact: I cannot change the cable, it's hard-wired on the speaker side (but both speakers have the issue, so I'd say that's not it). different USB ports don't make a difference, even when switching from a port on my docking station to a port on the laptop itself
2022-08-24 18:23:05	castleard	there's no external power supply, the power comes via the USB cable
2022-08-24 18:23:40	artefact	i'm missing some context here, has the noise always been there?
2022-08-24 18:23:41	@MrElendig	castleard: you can try an usb isolator
2022-08-24 18:23:47	lmat	MrElendig: Regarding ipv6, "check router and isp". I was able to ping registry.npmjs.org from my firewall, so I think it's an archlinux problem.
2022-08-24 18:24:03	artefact	could just be cr*ppy speakers with no/bad internal shielding. i've heard it before
2022-08-24 18:24:22	castleard	artefact: I've had the speakers for a long time, they haven't been used for ~2 years, I'm using them with a new device now that hasn't had them connected before
2022-08-24 18:24:23	artefact	lmat: to me it sounds like a firewall problem
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2022-08-24 18:24:34	@MrElendig	no supression caps/filtering on the usb is a classic
2022-08-24 18:24:55	castleard	MrElendig: good suggestion, I'll give it a try
2022-08-24 18:24:57	@MrElendig	usb ground often is *really* noisy
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2022-08-24 18:25:21	@MrElendig	and if the speaker isn't smart enough to killing the output when it has no input signal...
2022-08-24 18:25:53	artefact	is it using usb for data or just power? does it have a builtin dac?
2022-08-24 18:26:30	lmat	artefact: When I traceroute -6 2606:4700::6810:1923; I only get a response from the firewall. On one hand, it seems like the firewall is cooperating, on the other hand...I'm not getting past the firewall.
2022-08-24 18:26:35	lmat	artefact: Of course it has a builtin dac...no other option here.
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2022-08-24 18:27:11	castleard	artefact: yes, builtin dac. and USB is power+signal.
2022-08-24 18:27:42	castleard	artefact: the speaker has a microphone embedded, so it's even a two-way signal that travels via USB.
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2022-08-24 18:28:48	lmat	artefact: This suggests that my firewall (pfsense) might be blocking by default :( https://www.reddit.com/r/PFSENSE/comments/721yr4/icmpv6_filtering/
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2022-08-24 18:29:44	artefact	did you enable v6 forwarding? (i'm no network admin, forgive the stupid questions)
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2022-08-24 18:31:03	lmat	artefact: I'm not sure...what kind? You could be talking about NAT forwarding, DNS6 forwarding, or maybe even some sort of static port forwarding. I'll go check in #pfsense, too. This should be a really common issue.
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2022-08-24 18:31:48	artefact	in networkd semantics, the usual "IPForward=yes" or "IPForward=ipv6". but you're mentioning pfsense so i don't even know if you're running linux
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2022-08-24 18:32:01	artefact	although this is #archlinux and we're pretty *n*l about !notarch
2022-08-24 18:33:21	lmat	artefact: pfsense is based on BSD, so definitely no networkd ^_^
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2022-08-24 18:37:19	jkc	lmat: If you're getting a response from the firewall, the issue is not with your local system. And no, pfsense will not drop responses to ICMPv6 messages (traceroute, ping, etc.) that you initiate from inside.
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2022-08-24 18:40:49	lmat	jkc: I'm not so concerned with "pfsense ... drop responses to ICMPv6 messages" as I am with pfsense dropping the outgoing requests.
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2022-08-24 18:41:07	lmat	jkc: "...the issue is not with your local system." I agree. And thank you for the insight.
2022-08-24 18:41:38	jkc	Assuming you're connected to its default LAN interface, it's not dropping those, either. There are two default rules on the LAN interface to allow all outgoing traffic over IPv4 and IPv6.
2022-08-24 18:42:06	jkc	And if you're getting a response from the firewall, again, it's obviously not dropping the request.
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2022-08-24 18:49:18	jkc	It's also possible that whomever controls the IP you're trying to traceroute to is doing something asinine on their end like dropping ICMPv6 echo requests.
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2022-08-24 18:49:35	jkc	Or your ISP, etc.
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2022-08-24 18:52:56	artefact	your v6 echos/traceroutes work from your router right? just not from your arch box
2022-08-24 18:53:09	artefact	we're getting dangerously close to !notarch anyway 👀
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2022-08-24 18:54:20	jkc	That's true, forgot that. If they're working from your box to your router, and from your router to X, but not from your box to X, that implies that your router is making the decision not to forward the request.
2022-08-24 18:54:51	jkc	Is your internal network using global scope addressing, or is it a ULA range?
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2022-08-24 18:56:15	castleard	is anyone here using g-assist?
2022-08-24 18:56:36	castleard	I can't get it to work and am wondering if people here know how to do it
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2022-08-24 21:00:36	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-08-24 21:00:36	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1455 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1454 normals)
2022-08-24 20:57:14	MrElendig	citazen: if you need a video guide then you are not in the targeted user group 
2022-08-24 20:57:25	astralc	every arch video tutorial is out of date immediatly
2022-08-24 21:00:09	tent405	hahahaha endeavouros.com is down, this is why i never use arch "spins"
2022-08-24 21:00:36	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-08-24 21:00:48	tent405	..unless i need to do some repair work from a livecd real quick
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2022-08-24 21:05:32	luna__	andyrtr: i must be blind do you have any direct link for that arc4random.diff ?
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2022-08-24 21:10:11	luna__	found it on heftigs github
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2022-08-24 21:12:37	topcat001	videos of knowledge stuff is frustrating; no way to search, and no way to just read the darn thing
2022-08-24 21:13:21	topcat001	(I'd never have finished my education that way)
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2022-08-24 21:14:21	topcat001	after an initial small adjustment period, I find the Arch wiki to be near ideal
2022-08-24 21:15:30	teraflops	videos are ok depending on the purpose, an installing arch linux video guide is not the best format imo
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2022-08-24 21:17:05	teraflops	if you want to to about your book then a video is fine ;)
2022-08-24 21:17:13	teraflops	to talk^
2022-08-24 21:17:34	Edu4rdSHL	topcat001, I agree with you.
2022-08-24 21:18:47	lmat	duly agreed
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2022-08-24 21:20:15	Edu4rdSHL	And not to mention that people keeps putting his face during the whole video
2022-08-24 21:20:23	teraflops	heh
2022-08-24 21:21:42	citazen	i have setup a new install and have ping access, but no pacman update. could not resolve host 
2022-08-24 21:21:45	citazen	Server = http://mirrors.acm.wpi.edu/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch
2022-08-24 21:22:02	citazen	my machine works on this one?
2022-08-24 21:22:16	citazen	but the External HD new install does not
2022-08-24 21:22:31	Edu4rdSHL	citazen, can you `ping mirrors.acm.wpi.edu`?
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2022-08-24 21:22:37	citazen	hold
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2022-08-24 21:25:05	citazen	Temporary failure in name resoultion
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2022-08-24 21:26:07	ℹ 	CalculusCat es conocido ahora como NyaaTheKitten
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2022-08-24 21:26:22	Edu4rdSHL	That's why then :p
2022-08-24 21:26:31	keir	citazen: is resolved running? `systemctl status systemd-resolved`
2022-08-24 21:26:40	teraflops	citazen: that's not temporary
2022-08-24 21:26:43	teraflops	heh
2022-08-24 21:26:57	citazen	ok let me check for resolved
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2022-08-24 21:29:00	citazen	WE HAVE PACMAN C<
2022-08-24 21:29:05	citazen	tyvm guys
2022-08-24 21:29:32	citazen	this is going to be great
2022-08-24 21:29:36	◣	stanlib (~archblade@user/stanlib) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-08-24 21:30:00	Edu4rdSHL	* is what people say moments before the disaster *
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2022-08-24 21:30:15	citazen	brick in 3 2 1
2022-08-24 21:30:18	citazen	lol
2022-08-24 21:30:30	citazen	i do have a swap issue
2022-08-24 21:30:39	citazen	something big got confused
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2022-08-24 21:31:25	citazen	i think the HD is still looking for the swap on my local machine
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2022-08-24 21:31:35	citazen	if that is even a thought
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2022-08-24 21:32:05	citazen	but i swear i saw an sda entry for my sdb usb swap
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2022-08-24 21:32:39	teraflops	sd* can change between boots, you better use uuids or kabels
2022-08-24 21:32:46	MrElendig	`swapon`
2022-08-24 21:32:50	teraflops	labels rather
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2022-08-24 21:33:06	MrElendig	systemd will automaticly use any swap partition (when using gpt)
2022-08-24 21:33:44	citazen	swap gave failure to load when i rebooted the HD
2022-08-24 21:34:08	MrElendig	wat
2022-08-24 21:34:14	citazen	how would i check those logs
2022-08-24 21:34:22	MrElendig	what does "rebooted the HD" mean
2022-08-24 21:34:25	MrElendig	what is "HD"
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2022-08-24 21:34:39	citazen	i have an external HD i installed linux on
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2022-08-25 12:00:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-08-25 12:30:14	Me16	I'm Curious about Playing w/ Wayland, w/ eNLightenment on aRch rather than the Heavier Duty KDE & gNome. I'm just trying 2 decide between which aRch Base Qt Libs or GTK. Does Wayland have any preference?
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2022-08-25 12:30:59	Me16	The Reason that I'm here iz because I've just been told that Wayland Depends on elogind which PCLinuxOS doesn't possess because it's SystemD Free. I've been trying 2 Avoid SystemD, but it looks like I'll have 2 soften my stance on that Dependency in the short term. Hopefully there'll be a Fix in Future 2 make Wayland independent of SystemD or a
2022-08-25 12:31:00	Me16	Work around.;-)K
2022-08-25 12:31:08	GuiToris	Hello, I can't find the description how I should securely erase a dm-crypt drive
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2022-08-25 12:32:45	glitsj16	Me16: change your news sources, Wayland has nothing to do with systemd
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2022-08-25 12:35:41	nl6720	GuiToris: you want to wipe a LUKS encrypted volume? just wipe the LUKS header
2022-08-25 12:35:52	GuiToris	thank you
2022-08-25 12:36:00	nl6720	it's the first 20 (or was it 16) MiB of the volume
2022-08-25 12:36:02	GuiToris	I wasn't sure if that's enough
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2022-08-25 12:37:00	Me16	glitsj16, Thanx 4 your reply, so I could run Wayland w/ eNLightenment on aRtix?
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2022-08-25 12:37:05	nl6720	if someone has access to the LUKS header already (e.g. a compromised backup or something), then it's not enough
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2022-08-25 12:37:46	nl6720	this, of course, assumes that they can decrypt at all, it even if they have the header
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2022-08-25 12:39:11	Me16	glitsj16, altho I did notice that there was no mention on the aRtix website about eNLightenment Desktop Support?... ;-\K
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2022-08-25 12:40:03	glitsj16	Me16: sorry, have a phonecall i ,need to attend to, brb
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2022-08-25 12:46:25	demonicmaniac1	artix isnt arch and not supported here
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2022-08-25 12:47:02	Metroid	but the youtube guy said...
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2022-08-25 12:49:14	kode54	sorry, arch clones aren't arch, they're different, go bug their support channels
2022-08-25 12:49:26	kode54	if they even have any
2022-08-25 12:49:50	kode54	(hint: never install an arch clone)
2022-08-25 12:50:43	GuiToris	does it matter what type I choose with cfdisk?
2022-08-25 12:50:52	GuiToris	there are 3 possible NTFS types
2022-08-25 12:51:52	artefact	is this a windows disk?
2022-08-25 12:52:03	Me16	demonicmaniac1: Like I previously declared, I'm only here because I was told that Wayland Depends on elogind / SystemD & it's about time I dipped me toe in the aRch H2O...
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2022-08-25 12:52:52	jelle	this feels like a troll to me
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2022-08-25 12:53:28	GuiToris	artefact, it's an external hdd
2022-08-25 12:53:42	GuiToris	I'm thinking of choosing type 7
2022-08-25 12:53:49	@jelle	Me16: wayland does not depend on systemd
2022-08-25 12:53:56	GuiToris	HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
2022-08-25 12:54:03	artefact	you haven't answered my question
2022-08-25 12:54:47	Me16	Me 21 year old son uses aRch, I'm more eXperienced w/ Puppy Linux & Debian Flavours... ;-)K
2022-08-25 12:55:18	teraflops	neither hpfs nor extfat are ntfs
2022-08-25 12:56:01	Namarrgon	here the partition windows 7 created for itself is marked as "Microsoft basic data"
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2022-08-25 12:58:07	Me16	jelle: Thanx 4 your Reply, I Need 2 do more Homework... ;-)K
2022-08-25 12:58:13	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [-o jelle] por jelle
2022-08-25 12:58:48	nl6720	"Microsoft basic data" is a description of a partition type GUID for GPT, "HPFS/NTFS/exFAT" is a decryption for a partition type ID for MBR
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2022-08-25 19:19:56	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-08-25 19:19:56	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1460 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1459 normals)
2022-08-25 14:50:23	rbatty	Pinned it down to the Alphabetical App Grid Extension, every reboot the apps vanish from the grid again until the extension itself is disabled. Sad.
2022-08-25 14:52:42	citazen	ah ty jelle. but went with jack out of the box
2022-08-25 14:56:17	J_Darnley	Does `less` have an option to disable regex searching, other than ctrl-r before each one?
2022-08-25 15:10:48	bwanda	how to know what ram i got like ddr?
2022-08-25 15:10:59	jelle	bwanda: dmidecode
2022-08-25 15:13:09	bwanda	i should jelle i can't grep or something?
2022-08-25 15:13:23	jelle	bwanda: what do you mean?
2022-08-25 15:13:38	bwanda	does not show ddr?
2022-08-25 15:13:49	jelle	sudo dmidecode -t memory
2022-08-25 15:13:54	jelle	        Type: DDR4
2022-08-25 15:14:34	bwanda	thanks
2022-08-25 16:07:56	bwanda	How to install guest modules in virt-manager?
2022-08-25 16:08:07	bwanda	to get full screen of vms?
2022-08-25 16:18:15	TheLinuxNinja	QEMU Guest Agent??
2022-08-25 16:19:53	bwanda	TheLinuxNinja: i want to get full resolution of os?
2022-08-25 16:20:58	rbatty	bwanda: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VirtualBox/Install_Arch_Linux_as_a_guest
2022-08-25 16:20:59	phrik	Title: VirtualBox/Install Arch Linux as a guest - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-25 16:21:16	TheLinuxNinja	Make the virt-manager window full-screen, and set the display resolution of the VM.
2022-08-25 16:22:18	TheLinuxNinja	I've had varying success with different DEs. XFCE doesn't seem to resize with the guest-agent, but KDE and Gnome do, mostly.
2022-08-25 16:22:40	rbatty	Oh QEMU? My bad. Sorry.
2022-08-25 16:27:35	susi	hmm, expac does not seem to honor -l (delimiter)
2022-08-25 16:28:12	susi	or I do something wrong, quite possible..
2022-08-25 16:29:04	susi	"lists are any interpreted sequence spcefied with a capital letter" -- does it meen % formatters
2022-08-25 16:29:19	susi	yes it does, nvm
2022-08-25 16:30:27	chazy	if i have different sound cards (integrated and usb) how and where should i tell alsa or pulseaudio which one do i want to use?
2022-08-25 16:31:33	another|	you can tell PA which one is the default. You can also switch the card for specific streams
2022-08-25 16:31:45	susi	pactl set-default-{input,source} may help
2022-08-25 16:33:07	chazy	yesterday i used alsamixer -> select sound card and for some reason it worked (switching from realtek to usb audio) but now it doesn't seem to work
2022-08-25 16:33:30	chazy	i'll try pactl
2022-08-25 16:34:04	another|	is your application talking to alsa directly?
2022-08-25 16:34:25	chazy	i was watching a video in firefox
2022-08-25 16:34:37	chazy	no idea honestly
2022-08-25 16:34:42	another|	ff dropped alsa support a while ago IIRC
2022-08-25 16:35:04	another|	so change it in pulse. pavucontrol is a gui application e.g.
2022-08-25 16:37:23	susi	chazy: try tab-completing the command
2022-08-25 16:37:41	chazy	i mean this is just a temporary situation, since i'm waiting for my new pasive speakers to arrive, but the better usb dac than realtek so i'm using that one for my headphones but my old active speakers are still connected to the integrated realtek dac
2022-08-25 16:37:43	susi	the device/sink I mean
2022-08-25 16:38:02	chazy	once i get the new speakers i can set the usb dac to default and forget about it
2022-08-25 16:47:32	xx	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wine#Running_Wine_under_a_separate_user_account says "It may be desirable to run Wine under a specifically created user account in order to reduce concerns about Windows applications having access to your home directory."
2022-08-25 16:47:34	phrik	Title: Wine - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-25 16:47:50	xx	but `sudo -u wineuser env HOME=/home/wineuser USER=wineuser USERNAME=wineuser LOGNAME=wineuser wine arguments` means that wine still has full access to reading all contents of the directory you launched sudo from
2022-08-25 16:48:03	xx	and all directories above the current directory too
2022-08-25 16:48:08	xx	unless they are 0700
2022-08-25 16:48:17	xx	alternatively, I'm doing something wrong
2022-08-25 16:49:51	TheLinuxNinja	The alternate user can only access the filesystem based on the permissions.
2022-08-25 17:00:06	xx	it's surprising behavior at least, because 0700 is default permission for $HOME but default umask on arch for everything else is 0022
2022-08-25 17:00:30	xx	hence I'd need to recursively make everything in my $HOME 0700 which would probably break something
2022-08-25 17:02:33	TheLinuxNinja	0700 might be default on YOUR system, but my home dir is 0710. I know some defaults for things change over time.
2022-08-25 17:03:07	MacGyver	xx: If a path contains a break like that, the underlying directories won't be reachable via that path.
2022-08-25 17:03:14	MacGyver	xx: Even if they were 777.
2022-08-25 17:04:05	MacGyver	xx: Why don't you just drop out of the tree you want to protect?
2022-08-25 17:04:07	xx	MacGyver: /home/myuser is 0700, /home/myuser/secret_directory is 0755 and is fully readable by the other user
2022-08-25 17:04:30	xx	MacGyver: that's what I'll have to do, just found it surprising
2022-08-25 17:04:51	xx	alternatively, I can run `sudo -i -u wineuser...` which should hopefully switch away from the current directory
2022-08-25 17:05:24	xx	but I don't know enough about sudo to make that an authoritative statement that could be added to the linked wiki page
2022-08-25 17:06:27	xx	and yes, I am aware that wine is not a sandbox, this is more of a suprising behavior of sudo and linux filesystem permissions in general to me
2022-08-25 17:07:36	mpan	What xx is talking about is that sudo retains rx access to the directory from which it has been invoked, regardless of whether the target user has access to it or not.
2022-08-25 17:08:03	MacGyver	mpan: But it doesn't. 
2022-08-25 17:08:09	mpan	MacGyver: have you tried?
2022-08-25 17:08:12	MacGyver	Yes.
2022-08-25 17:09:01	MacGyver	The permissions are applied as expected; if the sudo'd user doesn't have permissions on the CWD, you'll just get an access denied.
2022-08-25 17:09:20	MacGyver	The problem exists because you usually rely on the permission break of /home/X.
2022-08-25 17:09:40	MacGyver	And the sudo'd user *does* have permissions on /home/X/.wine
2022-08-25 17:09:59	MacGyver	And can then move freely relative to .wine
2022-08-25 17:10:13	MacGyver	So the fix is to drop out of /home/X before doing this.
2022-08-25 17:10:47	xx	MacGyver: rough steps to reproduce: `chmod 0700 "$HOME"; mkdir ~/secret_dir; echo "password" > ~/secret_dir/passwordfile; cd ~/secret_dir; useradd -m newuser; sudo -u newuser bash` and then `ls; cat passwordfile`
2022-08-25 17:12:19	xx	and if the path is deeper, one can move up in the path until a directory with 0700 permissions is reached
2022-08-25 17:12:25	MacGyver	Yep.
2022-08-25 17:12:35	mpan	Exactly what I said. I think we may misunderstand each other.
2022-08-25 17:12:37	xx	I call that suprising behavior to newcomers
2022-08-25 17:12:50	TheLinuxNinja	I'd say 'most' people don't have a correct understanding of how permissions work.
2022-08-25 17:12:56	xx	TheLinuxNinja: I definitely don't
2022-08-25 17:15:28	mpan	The point is, as far as I understand xx, that the invocation suggested is not by itself providing the expected protection.
2022-08-25 17:15:39	xx	correct
2022-08-25 17:16:38	xx	this might in fact be one of the cases where `sudo su - someotheruser` is the right thing to do
2022-08-25 17:17:18	MacGyver	I'm guessing it functions as expected on ~/.wine though, because you won't be able to move to ~...
2022-08-25 17:17:39	mpan	Nah, you may just change the directory to / or a special directory inside ~. But indeed wiki is not mentioning that.
2022-08-25 17:17:49	MacGyver	But yeah, I concur, this is far from a good solution.
2022-08-25 17:17:50	tirnanog	that's just a silly way of approximating sudo -i. minimally, you could specify -D / instead.
2022-08-25 17:18:02	neoweb	what is the chat channel
2022-08-25 17:18:54	MacGyver	mpan: As long as your wine prefix is *directly* below ~ and doesn't have symlinks outside of that it functions as expected.
2022-08-25 17:19:02	MacGyver	mpan: And I'm guessing that's why that part is lacking here.
2022-08-25 17:19:10	mpan	Also note that the main concern here is not security, as in protecting from information being stolen: Windows applications are not inherently more risky than any native app you may run. The problem is safety: a Windows program accidently wreaking havoc in your ~.
2022-08-25 17:20:01	mpan	Perhaps this is why the author of that entry missed this particular edge case.
2022-08-25 17:20:12	xx	it can't really do much havoc, since the default permissions are read-only, but it can cause some other mess by trying to read stuff it's not supposed to read, like messing all the access timestamps
2022-08-25 17:20:39	xx	(just as an example)
2022-08-25 17:21:43	mpan	But yeah, just follow MacGyver’s advice. Create a subdirectory and run from it.
2022-08-25 17:22:34	MacGyver	Well, my actual advice would be to forgo this bullshit and use some proper sandbox here.
2022-08-25 17:22:51	MacGyver	Probably a similar amount of effort for way more gain.
2022-08-25 17:23:28	xx	MacGyver: I'm new to linux in general, and this is what the wiki provides as a minimal starting point
2022-08-25 17:33:42	mpan	xx: your concern is valid, you are not in error. The wiki is lacking a bit in that situation (thought it is not exactly wrong either).
2022-08-25 17:34:18	xx	I mean, it's not wrong - it gets the job done.
2022-08-25 18:09:43	citazen	I am working on my fstab UUID and have this in mind. https://pastebin.com/raw/xDyRvVS8
2022-08-25 18:09:44	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o9gd.YH4uQrlz
2022-08-25 18:10:46	citazen	does it look right?
2022-08-25 18:11:17	citazen	cool ty
2022-08-25 18:12:50	nl6720	citazen: assuming you'll use the real UUID values, yes
2022-08-25 18:14:08	nl6720	citazen: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fstab#File_system_UUIDs
2022-08-25 18:14:10	phrik	Title: fstab - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-25 18:14:21	nl6720	^ just in case
2022-08-25 18:19:08	guruprasad	On my desktop running up-to-date Arch with KDE Plasma, I installed a bunch of updates today including that for the kernel and grub. I was prompted by Plasma to reboot and when I rebooted, the `Welcome to GRUB` message shows on the screen briefly and then the sytem reboots into the UEFI Setup utility. This happens every time.
2022-08-25 18:19:13	guruprasad	Is this a known issue?
2022-08-25 18:19:53	guruprasad	I do not know for sure, but it looks like GRUB may be crashing. So what options do I have to restore it to a working state?
2022-08-25 18:23:40	citazen	ty
2022-08-25 18:28:35	citazen	and we have boot
2022-08-25 18:28:38	citazen	!next
2022-08-25 18:28:38	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-08-25 18:31:37	citazen	how is my boot loading as ext4?
2022-08-25 18:32:19	citazen	well thats not right
2022-08-25 18:38:11	artefact	guruprasad: you can try reinstalling grub. do it from arch-chroot'd archiso
2022-08-25 18:38:41	artefact	it's weird that it puts you into your uefi firmware, usually grub panics end up with some emergency shell
2022-08-25 18:39:10	guruprasad	artefact, thanks! That is what I am doing now.
2022-08-25 18:39:58	Betal	citazen: why not right? 
2022-08-25 18:40:17	citazen	my boot says ext4 is being used, when it shouyld be vfat per fstab
2022-08-25 18:40:28	artefact	says how?
2022-08-25 18:40:57	Betal	but the fstab you pasted have /boot as ext4
2022-08-25 18:41:17	citazen	i know. and fstab shows boot always as vfat
2022-08-25 18:41:26	citazen	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fstab#File_system_UUIDs
2022-08-25 18:41:27	phrik	Title: fstab - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-25 18:41:37	Betal	citazen: "always" ?
2022-08-25 18:41:52	nl6720	it's just an example 
2022-08-25 18:41:53	citazen	this is waht i see -> /boot vfat
2022-08-25 18:42:07	Betal	citazen: when you installed arch, didn't you used ext4 for /boot ?
2022-08-25 18:42:08	citazen	ok good, cus i really did not want to have to start all over
2022-08-25 18:42:15	citazen	yes
2022-08-25 18:42:23	artefact	/boot can be any fs you want. unless you also use it for ESP
2022-08-25 18:42:29	citazen	k
2022-08-25 18:42:41	citazen	then is is safe to say
2022-08-25 18:42:46	citazen	!next
2022-08-25 18:42:46	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-08-25 18:43:34	kuckleheadhappy	guruprasad, Probably your menuentries are messed up. Try chrooting into it and updating your bootloader
2022-08-25 18:43:55	Betal	I see, _all_ examples for boot in this page use vfat
2022-08-25 18:44:01	citazen	yes
2022-08-25 18:55:48	cyphertite_	guruprasad:  I have run Arch with KDE/Plasma5 for many years.  Never once have seen anything similar to your claim:  `I was prompted by Plasma to reboot`.  What version does `pacman -Qi linux` output?
2022-08-25 18:57:29	MrElendig	probably using the packagekit frontend to do an update
2022-08-25 19:00:09	octopus	Hi
2022-08-25 19:00:25	octopus	I have connected bluetooth earphone to my laptop
2022-08-25 19:00:31	octopus	but I can't hear sound
2022-08-25 19:00:42	another|	which sound server?
2022-08-25 19:00:57	cyphertite_	np MrElendig, I don't anything about that frontend, but I do remember another nick a few weeks back claiming a similar 'need to reboot' message.  They were not running Arch 
2022-08-25 19:00:59	octopus	pulseaudio
2022-08-25 19:01:13	another|	did you set it as output device?
2022-08-25 19:01:34	cyphertite_	*know anything about that frontend
2022-08-25 19:02:09	guruprasad	cyphertite_, it shows that I have the 5.19.3.arch1-1 kernel installed.
2022-08-25 19:02:27	octopus	another|: I can't select it
2022-08-25 19:02:44	another|	which profile is selected?
2022-08-25 19:03:03	octopus	analog stereo duplex
2022-08-25 19:03:19	octopus	http://0x0.st/o9EB.jpg
2022-08-25 19:04:03	another|	for the bluetooth obviously. a2dp
2022-08-25 19:04:24	another|	why can't you select it? what did you try? what happened?
2022-08-25 19:04:26	cyphertite_	guruprasad:  thanks - it is indeed the packagekit frontend that is generating that 'need to reboot' message?
2022-08-25 19:04:41	guruprasad	I think so. But I am not sure.
2022-08-25 19:05:07	octopus	another|: okay I selected
2022-08-25 19:05:08	guruprasad	I have occasionally used 'Discover' for package updates but use 'pacman -Syu' otherwise.
2022-08-25 19:05:11	octopus	it works
2022-08-25 19:05:19	octopus	http://0x0.st/o9EB.jpg
2022-08-25 19:05:37	octopus	but this option is only available when I play smth
2022-08-25 19:05:59	octopus	but I used to use a plugin to limit sound if it goes too high
2022-08-25 19:06:02	octopus	now I can't do it
2022-08-25 19:06:43	another|	wait. you selected what? what does not work?
2022-08-25 19:07:46	octopus	another|: http://0x0.st/o9E1.jpg
2022-08-25 19:07:52	octopus	see that, theer awei t35
2022-08-25 19:08:03	octopus	that option shows up when I play something
2022-08-25 19:08:15	octopus	I select something else there usually
2022-08-25 19:08:20	octopus	lemme show you
2022-08-25 19:08:49	octopus	another|: http://0x0.st/o9E2.jpg
2022-08-25 19:08:54	octopus	see, now it changed
2022-08-25 19:09:05	octopus	I use that option usually with wired headphone
2022-08-25 19:09:15	octopus	to keep noise down certain level
2022-08-25 19:09:24	octopus	but I have to select this headphone instead
2022-08-25 19:09:37	octopus	so I can't use this sound limiting mechanism anymone
2022-08-25 19:09:39	octopus	:(
2022-08-25 19:09:40	cyphertite_	guruprasad:  I personally dislike Discover, but understood and np - glad you're updated :)
2022-08-25 19:11:10	another|	octopus: Ah, okay. No idea about such plugins. Maybe look into the plugin system
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2022-08-26 14:05:00	castleard	hey everyone! I was here yesterday already with an issue about my external USB speaker phone which created a weird noise when connected via USB (but worked fine when connected via bluetooth). I think it was @MrElendig who suggested using a USB insulator. I didn't have one, so I tried the next best thing: a USB hub with an external power supply. however, no change. any further suggestions?
2022-08-26 14:08:17	artefact	just use bluetooth then?
2022-08-26 14:10:17	xificurC	buying a new notebook in the 1k price range, any tips that work well in general? I typically buy Thinkpads and they worked reasonably well, but the last one with dual graphic cards was a pain to set up and use. Should I prefer intel graphic cards?
2022-08-26 14:12:18	bluetail	what were the issues?
2022-08-26 14:13:20	jelle	dual gfx is always an issue :)
2022-08-26 14:13:29	xificurC	having a usb hub plugged, calls to xrandr took 15s.
2022-08-26 14:13:46	xificurC	in the end I disabled the integrated intel card.
2022-08-26 14:14:43	xificurC	then nouveau didn't work reliably, hw accel I think. Some apps were crashing. Had to switch to nvidia drivers. Then I couldn't get a good setup with xrandr.
2022-08-26 14:15:36	xificurC	after an upgrade I couldn't start because something got turned on in kernel by default that broke with nvidia drivers
2022-08-26 14:17:41	xificurC	anyway, if anyohe has some good tips or recommendations, I'll be very glad!
2022-08-26 14:18:12	jelle	xificurC: t14s works fine with arch :-)
2022-08-26 14:18:32	jelle	or go with an AMD laptop as they have quite a decent GPU for light games
2022-08-26 14:21:06	castleard	artefact: yeah, could work, but then I have to always make some arrangements to get the thing charged... very annoying. 
2022-08-26 14:37:48	artefact	xificurC: i'm in the same place. eyeing the kde slimbook maybe
2022-08-26 15:02:58	xificurC	jelle: t14s seems to go ~2k
2022-08-26 15:22:32	bwanda	No boot device found ??
2022-08-26 15:23:29	bwanda	Anyone?
2022-08-26 15:23:51	Namarrgon	nope, i don't see one either from here
2022-08-26 15:24:05	bwanda	Please help.
2022-08-26 15:24:19	Namarrgon	with what? you provided no context
2022-08-26 15:24:26	bwanda	It's not booting to arxhlinux
2022-08-26 15:25:31	Namarrgon	are you trying to install arch?
2022-08-26 15:25:56	bwanda	I installed grub from live usb..  but it's says 452: out of range pointer
2022-08-26 15:26:06	Namarrgon	what is saying that?
2022-08-26 15:26:15	bwanda	No trying to fix it Namarrgon 
2022-08-26 15:26:40	bwanda	I installed 4gb ram and it's doing this now?
2022-08-26 15:26:51	river	bwanda: did you set up disk partitioning?
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2022-08-26 15:27:27	bwanda	I don't want to loose root installed packages.
2022-08-26 15:27:41	bwanda	No river ?
2022-08-26 15:27:51	Namarrgon	what is giving you that error?
2022-08-26 15:28:04	river	bwanda: well there is your problem
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2022-08-26 15:28:19	bwanda	Wait let me boot live usb archlinux
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2022-08-26 15:29:32	bwanda	Just installed another ram stick.
2022-08-26 15:30:03	Namarrgon	that usually doesn't break the boot process, unless you reset the firmware settings to default
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2022-08-26 15:31:12	Scimmia	even faulty ram shouldn't do that
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2022-08-26 15:31:49	river	bwanda: lol
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2022-08-26 15:31:55	river	moar RAMSTICKS
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2022-08-26 15:32:41	Elodin	When my browser asks me to save a file that window that opens, it's an OS window. What controls that?
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2022-08-26 15:33:28	artefact	which browser?
2022-08-26 15:33:49	artefact	it's likely the standard gtk file picker
2022-08-26 15:34:23	Elodin	artefact: yes the filepicker, that's the name. However if i have a file manager installed it can change can it not?
2022-08-26 15:34:33	artefact	no
2022-08-26 15:34:35	tirnanog	no. the browser vendor decides which toolkit they use.
2022-08-26 15:34:55	Elodin	i see 
2022-08-26 15:35:08	Elodin	so there's no way to plug into the middle of it to change that
2022-08-26 15:35:56	tirnanog	some applications are more flexible. libreoffice is the only one that springs to mind.
2022-08-26 15:36:13	tirnanog	all the mainstream browsers use gtk, as far as I've seen.
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2022-08-26 15:42:56	tirnanog	I don't think that has any effect now. setting it to false used to result in a XUL-rendered picker which looked at home neither in gtk nor qt oriented environments.
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2022-08-26 15:45:38	tirnanog	indeed. removed in firefox 59. the only other choice was gtk anyway.
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2022-08-26 15:47:40	river	oh thank you i see
2022-08-26 15:47:45	river	btw
2022-08-26 15:47:58	river	what I tend to do is just open up dolphon and drag files onto the 'upload' button
2022-08-26 15:48:06	river	that way I can get a thumbnail preview
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2022-08-26 15:51:46	Amnesia	FFY00, dvzrv: could one of you guys by any chance update https://archlinux.org/packages/community/any/podman-compose/ :)?
2022-08-26 15:51:47	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - podman-compose 1.0.3-2 (any) (at archlinux.org)
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2022-08-26 15:52:18	Zetta1Reid0	Anyone know how to actually save OpenGL setting from nvidia-settings ? Every time i relog in they are the default ones . thought i saved the config files it still resets
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2022-08-26 15:52:50	artefact	which ones?
2022-08-26 15:53:14	Foxboron	Amnesia: Why are you not using docker-compose?
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2022-08-26 15:53:23	morteza24	I want to install nvidia-390xx-utils package from aur. there are two patch files with it: "kernel-4.16.patch" and "kernel-5.18.patch". kernel-4.16.patch is mentioned in the PKGBUILD but the other one isn't. Am I supposed to add it to PKGBUIL
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2022-08-26 15:53:30	morteza24	D my self
2022-08-26 15:53:36	Amnesia	Foxboron: cause I'm not using docker :p?
2022-08-26 15:53:47	Foxboron	Amnesia: But podman suppot the docker socket API
2022-08-26 15:53:50	Foxboron	support*
2022-08-26 15:53:55	artefact	anyway you probably want https://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/515.65.01/README/xconfigoptions.html
2022-08-26 15:53:56	phrik	Title: Appendix B. X Config Options (at download.nvidia.com)
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2022-08-26 15:53:59	Zetta1Reid0	@artefact: The ones under X Screen 0 -> OpenGL settings
2022-08-26 15:54:10	Foxboron	Pretending to be docker is what podman is suppose to be doing. So you can enable the local podman socket and use docker-compose
2022-08-26 15:54:17	Amnesia	Foxboron: true.dat, I haven't enabled it though
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2022-08-26 15:54:32	Foxboron	podman-compose was suppose to be deprecated, not sure why they picked it up again. So I'm curious why people use it
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2022-08-26 15:54:48	Amnesia	TIL
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2022-08-26 15:55:04	Foxboron	Hench my question :)
2022-08-26 15:55:41	Foxboron	Amnesia: But why does podman-compose need an update?
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2022-08-26 15:56:10	Amnesia	Well, it kinda depends I guess.. Just checked their git repo, and 1.0.3 does seem to be their latest tag :/
2022-08-26 15:56:34	Foxboron	What release where you expecting?
2022-08-26 15:56:46	xx	I barely understand this https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Improving_performance#Changing_I/O_scheduler but shouldn't it have some line like SUBSYSTEM=="block" so that it doesn't match other stuff in the udev rule?
2022-08-26 15:56:47	phrik	Title: Improving performance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-26 15:57:05	dvzrv	Amnesia: why update? Is it not the latest version?
2022-08-26 15:57:07	Amnesia	I currently have an issue with it though, which is solved with the git version, so I guess I should be using AUR's podman-compose-git 
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2022-08-26 15:57:46	dvzrv	Amnesia: you can create an issue with upstream so that they create a new release
2022-08-26 15:59:04	dvzrv	Foxboron: I believe there was a longer thread in a ticket in that repo somewhere discussing the mission statement for podman-compose. it has a few things that are not covered by docker-compose AFAIK
2022-08-26 15:59:09	artefact	xx: what system other than block would match sdX/nvmeY ?
2022-08-26 15:59:18	xx	artefact: I don't know
2022-08-26 15:59:52	Amnesia	dvzrv: it already exists, but I guess Foxboron's quote regarding its deprecation is partially valid :shrugs:
2022-08-26 15:59:54	Foxboron	dvzrv: Right, then they just moved on from the intention of deprecating it
2022-08-26 15:59:56	Amnesia	https://github.com/containers/podman-compose/issues/463 
2022-08-26 16:00:19	Amnesia	FYI, there's no 1.0.4 tag :D
2022-08-26 16:01:07	dvzrv	Amnesia: then comment there
2022-08-26 16:01:15	dvzrv	maybe they built from the sources directly
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2022-08-26 16:03:34	Amnesia	Sorry for the spam
2022-08-26 16:03:44	Amnesia	I'm let you guys know when 1.0.4 appears :)
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2022-08-26 16:04:45	jensen	sysetm has been freezing (requiring forced manual reboot) for at least ~1 month now, any ideas? journalctl: https://0x0.st/o9UA.txt
2022-08-26 16:05:08	xx	artefact: this is the /etc/udev/rules.d/60-io-scheduler.rules I made from other guides https://0x0.st/o9D-.txt
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2022-08-26 16:06:02	MarkYork	Hi everyone. Quick question here. I installed snapd and proceeded to download office365webdesktop. When I try to run the app, it does not show up at all and I don't see any errors on the terminal. Anyone knows how to troubleshoot this problem?
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2022-08-26 16:12:33	Psi-Jack	First problem is: You installed snapd.
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2022-08-26 16:15:45	Foxboron	jonathon: I think I figured out the grub issue
2022-08-26 16:15:46	Foxboron	lol
2022-08-26 16:15:49	Psi-Jack	Heh
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2022-08-26 16:15:53	xx	ok I'm gonna reboot, hopefully my udev rules are not broken
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2022-08-26 16:16:47	susi	Foxboron: please elaborate
2022-08-26 16:18:57	Foxboron	jonathon: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/75701
2022-08-26 16:18:57	Foxboron	yolo
2022-08-26 16:18:58	phrik	Title: FS#75701 : grub 2:2.06.r322.gd9b4638c5-1 issue (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2022-08-26 16:29:48	morteza24	I'm a local user but I can't run commands like reboot without sudo. what's the problem?
2022-08-26 16:30:07	jelle	systemctl reboot?
2022-08-26 16:30:15	lolok	youre not in wheel probably
2022-08-26 16:30:18	jelle	morteza24: are you using systemd or not?
2022-08-26 16:30:28	Scimmia	morteza24: what does it say when you try?
2022-08-26 16:30:59	jelle	lolok: I believe for local users that does not matter 
2022-08-26 16:31:35	lolok	theres ways around it but i founf just putting my user there fixes a lot of things like this
2022-08-26 16:31:39	lolok	found*
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2022-08-26 16:32:35	morteza24	jelle yes
2022-08-26 16:33:01	lolok	i think its pam that uses wheel by default
2022-08-26 16:33:09	morteza24	Scimmia failed to reboot system via logind: access denied
2022-08-26 16:33:46	morteza24	lolok do I have to install this called polkit as well? it that related to this problem?
2022-08-26 16:33:55	Scimmia	yeah, you need polkit
2022-08-26 16:33:55	lolok	probably
2022-08-26 16:34:00	morteza24	thanks
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2022-08-26 16:34:30	astralc	morteza24: it is optional dep for systemd
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2022-08-26 16:35:25	lolok	i think that with polkit, it will ask for the password, instead of failing, if you wanted to do it with no password, probably other steps
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2022-08-26 16:36:38	susi	polkit wiki article is recommended reading
2022-08-26 16:36:40	Scimmia	no, it should just work. Again, local user
2022-08-26 16:36:40	jonathon	Foxboron: interesting... on my main laptop (which wasn't affected) i already created a "boot to firmware" entry in grub; on another laptop without that entry i got the "boot to firmware" issue
2022-08-26 16:36:47	morteza24	I just installed polkit and the problem is solved
2022-08-26 16:36:55	lolok	!next
2022-08-26 16:36:56	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2022-08-26 16:37:18	morteza24	 on my previous installation I didn't have to install it manually. probably xfce used to install it for me
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2022-08-26 16:37:58	Foxboron	jonathon: Because $grub_platform isn't != efi so the boot entry was made on a BIOS machine, probably
2022-08-26 16:38:04	susi	jonathon: could you post this changed 30_uefi-firmware?
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2022-08-26 16:38:06	Foxboron	jonathon: So which system install the grub binary on each of those ssytems?
2022-08-26 16:38:10	Foxboron	susi: read the bugreport
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2022-08-26 16:38:23	Foxboron	jonathon: I suspect this might be down to shitty installers, maybe
2022-08-26 16:38:32	Foxboron	and/or archinstall if we are super unlucky
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2022-08-26 16:39:53	Foxboron	oh
2022-08-26 16:39:54	Foxboron	I see it
2022-08-26 16:40:23	Foxboron	But I dont understand how people introduce the issue
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2022-08-26 16:42:20	Foxboron	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/grub.git/commit/?id=26031d3b101648352e4e427f04bf69d320088e77 i think this needs to be reveted
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2022-08-26 16:42:22	phrik	Title: grub.git - GNU GRUB (at git.savannah.gnu.org)
2022-08-26 16:42:23	Foxboron	reverted*
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2022-08-26 16:43:57	susi	but does having fwsetup as a menuentry itself cause problems?
2022-08-26 16:44:09	susi	on any configuration
2022-08-26 16:44:33	Foxboron	I suspect it's the call to fwsetup --is-supported which is the issue
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2022-08-27 12:55:35	aod	pam_systemd(login:session):failed to release session
2022-08-27 12:56:29	aod	also a watchdog did not stop, i have edited a file that solve it but after update is not working
2022-08-27 12:57:10	kucklehead	I think you can pass an argument revolving watchdog did not stop in the kernel command line 
2022-08-27 12:57:26	kucklehead	pam_systemd failing is an issue 
2022-08-27 12:57:39	kucklehead	revolving security i believe so 
2022-08-27 13:03:15	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-08-27 13:03:33	aod	kucklehead Option "NoPM" "true"?
2022-08-27 13:04:23	aod	i think that was the thing working on watchdog last time
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2022-08-27 13:11:17	austincheney	is it safe to assume pacman is common to arch linux by default?
2022-08-27 13:11:39	TheLinuxNinja	pacman is THE package manager out-of-the-box. using any other is 'unsupported'
2022-08-27 13:11:49	austincheney	awesome
2022-08-27 13:11:52	Tom^	lol lovely xorg.conf manpage about the NoPM "Disables something to do with power management events. Default: PM enabled on platforms that support it."
2022-08-27 13:12:23	TheLinuxNinja	and you'll find 'other' package managers that are just wrappers and use pacman behind the scenes.
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2022-08-27 13:12:49	TheLinuxNinja	the heart of dealing with packages on Arch is the libalpm, though.
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2022-08-27 13:15:44	aod	rebooting
2022-08-27 13:16:27	kucklehead	aod, I wouldn't worry about that either. I would tackle the pam_systemd, deal with your modules not loading and then worry about that
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2022-08-27 13:17:10	aod	20s reboting
2022-08-27 13:17:11	kucklehead	Oh and I can't remember the argument. I passed it onto my chromebook and it fixed it
2022-08-27 13:17:26	kucklehead	that's what watchdog does 
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2022-08-27 13:19:11	kucklehead	I would look at my mkinitcpio.conf file but I can't. Currently doing a ZFS + gentoo for a rasberrypi
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2022-08-27 18:59:21	Scimmia	so it's actually being unblocked
2022-08-27 18:59:47	stef204	no
2022-08-27 18:59:54	stef204	not in actuality
2022-08-27 18:59:57	Scimmia	so if it's not showing as unblocked on that boot, something else may be blocking it
2022-08-27 19:00:05	stef204	here is the result of rfkill list as of right now
2022-08-27 19:00:17	stef204	https://paste.xinu.at/sKeb5Y/
2022-08-27 19:00:42	Scimmia	...so the ID you need is 2
2022-08-27 19:00:56	stef204	2 this time but not last time around
2022-08-27 19:01:02	Scimmia	oh, that's fun
2022-08-27 19:01:03	stef204	it looks like that id number changes
2022-08-27 19:01:28	Scimmia	and there's no 0, it's like the device was removed and reinserted
2022-08-27 19:01:30	stef204	maybe it's because I used the switch (Fn + F9)
2022-08-27 19:01:35	stef204	yes
2022-08-27 19:01:38	stef204	you are correct
2022-08-27 19:01:59	stef204	I think in any event it would be best to use  rfkill-unblock@bluetooth.service
2022-08-27 19:02:03	Scimmia	so that last paste tells us nothing
2022-08-27 19:02:04	stef204	then the index #
2022-08-27 19:02:19	stef204	yeah, darn....
2022-08-27 19:02:43	Scimmia	the point of using the ID was because just using 'bluetooth' won't fail even if there's no bluetooth devices
2022-08-27 19:02:56	stef204	OK
2022-08-27 19:03:19	stef204	some people hhave had success by masking or blacklisting wmi modules
2022-08-27 19:03:27	stef204	like msi_wmi,mxm_wmi in my case
2022-08-27 19:03:37	Scimmia	so you're saying that on that boot, ID 0 before you removed/reinserted was soft blocked?
2022-08-27 19:03:40	stef204	which MAY be the culprit
2022-08-27 19:04:10	Scimmia	I don't know anything about those modules, so you're beyond me on that
2022-08-27 19:04:16	stef204	"so you're saying that on that boot, ID 0 before you removed/reinserted was soft blocked?" not sure what you are asking
2022-08-27 19:04:39	Scimmia	When you booted, the service unblocked ID 0
2022-08-27 19:04:44	stef204	I forget if I tested the Fn+F9 switch before of after reboot, I think after
2022-08-27 19:05:09	stef204	it's 2 now, I can reboot and not touch the Fn+F9 switch that way we're sure
2022-08-27 19:05:36	Scimmia	we need to know for sure if it stayed unblocked or got blocked again
2022-08-27 19:05:49	stef204	yes but how do we track that?
2022-08-27 19:06:03	Scimmia	by looking at rfkill list
2022-08-27 19:06:56	stef204	so what do I do next? disable the 0.service and change it to 2.service and reboot and check logs?
2022-08-27 19:07:10	Scimmia	It's only 2 because you removed and reinserted it
2022-08-27 19:07:27	stef204	correct... so you think it will go back to 0 automatically?
2022-08-27 19:07:36	stef204	on reboot, I mean
2022-08-27 19:07:38	Scimmia	yes, but I'm now out of time
2022-08-27 19:07:47	Scimmia	someone else will have to pick this up
2022-08-27 19:07:51	stef204	OK
2022-08-27 19:08:00	stef204	thanks for your support and feedback, I appreciate it
2022-08-27 19:08:07	Scimmia	np, good luck
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2022-08-27 21:01:12	chuck_	Hello guys
2022-08-27 21:02:52	chuck_	I need to compile a github project as it doesn't exist in AUR nor oficial repos, instructions are for ubuntu there *-dev packages that doesn-t exist or they have other names, how could i go about this ?
2022-08-27 21:03:05	chuck_	this is the github:  https://github.com/MrYay/q3e-urt
2022-08-27 21:04:54	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-08-27 21:05:39	teraflops	chuck_: arch does not split dev packages, you get fat packages with all the stuff
2022-08-27 21:05:51	◣	upsala (~zcb@185.209.196.137) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-08-27 21:06:20	chuck_	Oh! nice to know, imma try compiling it then,  and see what happens, thanks
2022-08-27 21:07:16	astralc	there is similar package in aur: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/quake3e-git - check the PKGBUILD
2022-08-27 21:07:20	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - quake3e-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2022-08-27 21:08:27	chuck_	yes astralc i makepkg -sri that one, but that is the original quake games, the one i'm trying is a mod called Urban Terror
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2022-08-27 21:11:37	reaVer	Hi, I need help rescuing my system
2022-08-27 21:11:58	reaVer	when trying to boot my disk it doesn't seem to do anything and the system returns to bios
2022-08-27 21:12:32	teraflops	reaVer: you've been bitten by a grub bug
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2022-08-27 21:12:49	reaVer	ok, but my life sucks now
2022-08-27 21:13:06	reaVer	how do I get out of this mess?
2022-08-27 21:13:46	demonicmaniac1	chuck_: that is the engine the mod is also in the aur depending on an engine
2022-08-27 21:14:04	demonicmaniac1	chuck_: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/quake3-urbanterror
2022-08-27 21:14:07	astralc	chuck_: it look like same build process from github, so the PKGBUILD deps will match it
2022-08-27 21:14:08	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - quake3-urbanterror (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-08-27 21:14:47	astralc	also, can't you install the mod on the quake3e version?
2022-08-27 21:14:48	Namarrgon	reaVer: did you run grub-install or grub-mkconfig after the update?
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2022-08-27 21:15:01	reaVer	Namarrgon: I ran grub-mkconfig but not grub-install
2022-08-27 21:15:13	Namarrgon	why did you run grub-mkconfig?
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2022-08-27 21:15:32	reaVer	Namarrgon: to add a new kernel to the mix
2022-08-27 21:16:01	Namarrgon	that's a partial upgrade then if you didn't update the grub payload as well
2022-08-27 21:16:10	reaVer	I tried grub-install from the rescue but it gives me EFI dir not found
2022-08-27 21:16:27	Namarrgon	"the rescue"?
2022-08-27 21:16:39	reaVer	yes, usb drive
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2022-08-27 21:16:43	Namarrgon	the archiso?
2022-08-27 21:16:44	chuck_	astralc: thanks imma check the PKGBUILD
2022-08-27 21:16:46	reaVer	yes
2022-08-27 21:16:51	Namarrgon	did you boot it in uefi mode?
2022-08-27 21:16:55	reaVer	Linux archiso 4.12.8-2-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Aug 18 14:08:02 UTC 2017 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2022-08-27 21:17:02	Namarrgon	jesus, get a new one soon
2022-08-27 21:17:16	reaVer	well, I need to fix my boot before I can do anything else
2022-08-27 21:17:28	astralc	2017?
2022-08-27 21:17:30	Namarrgon	then boot it in uefi mode or install grub with --removable
2022-08-27 21:17:31	astralc	?!!?!
2022-08-27 21:17:35	teraflops	4.12 heh
2022-08-27 21:17:44	reaVer	?
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2022-08-27 21:17:50	chuck_	demonicmaniac1: yeah!, i use that binary, but that is a bloated one, this one that i'm trying to compile is an optimized one, wich many more features and much more faster than the oficial binary
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2022-08-27 21:17:57	reaVer	I booted the rescue in UEFI mode
2022-08-27 21:18:08	Namarrgon	did you mount the efivarfs?
2022-08-27 21:18:37	Namarrgon	did you mount the ESP before running grub-install?
2022-08-27 21:19:35	teraflops	arch-chroot takes care of efivars, right?
2022-08-27 21:20:14	Namarrgon	usually
2022-08-27 21:21:47	reaVer	what is ESP?
2022-08-27 21:22:02	teraflops	the fat partition where efi binay lies
2022-08-27 21:22:05	Namarrgon	EFI System Partition
2022-08-27 21:22:09	teraflops	binary^
2022-08-27 21:22:23	reaVer	ok
2022-08-27 21:22:32	reaVer	then I think I may got it now
2022-08-27 21:22:37	reaVer	let me try reb00ting
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2022-08-27 21:23:02	teraflops	so it's not a bug?
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2022-08-27 21:23:03	demonicmaniac1	chuck_: that is data - it depends on the engine as well which you built yourself
2022-08-27 21:24:35	chuck_	Yup, this is an improved ioquake engine
2022-08-27 21:25:18	chuck_	Already builted :p imma try to play -.-
2022-08-27 21:25:25	chuck_	cross fingers
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2022-08-27 21:25:48	teraflops	🤞
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2022-08-27 21:28:30	reaVer	got it working
2022-08-27 21:28:31	reaVer	thanks
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2022-08-27 21:30:51	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-08-27 21:35:32	imyxh	can anyone successfully open the latest version of libreoffice draw on arch?
2022-08-27 21:35:49	imyxh	I've tried purging and reinstalling and every time i open lodraw it gives me an error about a broken installation
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2022-08-27 21:36:23	mpan	Works here™.
2022-08-27 21:36:38	mpan	libreoffice-still 7.3.5-2
2022-08-27 21:36:41	mefistofeles	imyxh: works here as well
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2022-08-27 21:36:53	mefistofeles	!give imyxh error
2022-08-27 21:36:53	phrik	imyxh: An error occured while attempting to display the error message.
2022-08-27 21:37:02	imyxh	weird, is there a /build/libreoffice directory on your machine?
2022-08-27 21:37:17	mpan	No
2022-08-27 21:37:24	mpan	Why would there be? 
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2022-08-27 21:38:12	imyxh	idk, my error message is this https://bin.disroot.org/?b4fb505a8f2155ec#5y5dJhozBaUiqmR2a5JhAs8gty3HsjVqGnQUp8VifApb
2022-08-27 21:38:13	phrik	Title: Disroot Bin - Encrypted pastebin by PrivateBin (at bin.disroot.org)
2022-08-27 21:38:23	mpan	!give imyxh paste
2022-08-27 21:38:24	phrik	imyxh: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-08-27 21:38:27	mpan	Please use one of the above ↑
2022-08-27 21:38:32	imyxh	oops
2022-08-27 21:39:00	mpan	(or anything that doesn’t require JavaScript to show what you want to convey)
2022-08-27 21:39:10	imyxh	https://paste.rs/9nP
2022-08-27 21:39:15	mpan	Thanks
2022-08-27 21:39:32	coruja	imyxh: running libreoffice-fresh?
2022-08-27 21:39:37	coruja	yes
2022-08-27 21:39:38	imyxh	yeah but it happens with still too
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2022-08-27 21:39:42	mefistofeles	I wonder if it's a partial upgrade
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2022-08-27 21:39:52	mpan	That’s from the maintainer’s computer. The “/build…” path. Irrelevant to your problem.
2022-08-27 21:40:04	imyxh	ah right of course
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2022-08-27 21:41:28	mpan	`ldd /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/libsdlo.so` — see what is reported as missing
2022-08-27 21:42:09	imyxh	seems like nothing is missing
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2022-08-27 21:42:52	imyxh	libsdl ... wonder if this is a wayland issue only
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2022-08-27 21:44:01	mpan	imyxh: is your system fully upgraded?
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2022-08-27 21:45:45	imyxh	oh wait looks like wxwidgets and some python packages need an update
2022-08-27 21:46:17	imyxh	didn't fix it though
2022-08-27 21:46:18	mpan	Update the system fully and see if the problem persists. Though I would be surprised if THOSE particular packages would affect anything.
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2022-08-27 21:47:08	imyxh	yeah i just did a full update, gonna reboot and try x11 and see if it works there
2022-08-27 21:47:13	imyxh	maybe also try the flatpak?
2022-08-27 21:47:48	mpan	Hmm. Do you have any foreign dependencies (`pacman -Qmdq`) that match what libreoffice-still requires?
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2022-08-27 21:48:22	mpan	(strictly speaking: any foreign packages, but checking dependencies first is faster — less of them)
2022-08-27 21:50:02	imyxh	doesn't look like it
2022-08-27 21:50:21	imyxh	just rebooted btw, tried xorg, same thing
2022-08-27 21:50:23	imyxh	so weird
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2022-08-27 21:53:05	mpan	Perhaps try on a fresh user?
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2022-08-27 21:53:29	imyxh	i did already try safe mode, which should've been equivalent right
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2022-08-27 21:53:54	imyxh	hm of course the flatpak works fine
2022-08-27 21:53:58	mpan	No idea what they do in safe mode.
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2022-08-27 21:55:24	imyxh	i just tried it moving my ~/.config/libreoffice and it still didn't work; is there anything else a second user would do?
2022-08-27 21:56:13	imyxh	maybe i should try downgrading one version
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2022-08-29 12:08:44	bwanda	dell inc. inspiron 3521
2022-08-29 12:08:45	jelle	so did you disable the gpu in bios? Or is it enabled?
2022-08-29 12:08:56	bwanda	i need to see that.
2022-08-29 12:11:36	jelle	it seems there is an intel only model
2022-08-29 12:14:04	bluetail	jof no cause that sorts lines
2022-08-29 12:14:09	bwanda	jelle: there enable/disable for gpu or anything other config on gpu?
2022-08-29 12:14:26	bluetail	they have multiple LF
2022-08-29 12:14:27	bwanda	jelle: there is not enable/disable for gpu or anything other config on gpu?*
2022-08-29 12:14:33	jelle	bwanda: what do you mean?
2022-08-29 12:14:37	bwanda	in bios
2022-08-29 12:16:02	jelle	bwanda: in a differnet OS you did have an AMD gpu or?
2022-08-29 12:16:24	bwanda	yes. i have
2022-08-29 12:18:14	jelle	no idea then, never had to deal with this mess \o/
2022-08-29 13:01:33	bwanda	do anyone have clue why gpu not showing up?
2022-08-29 13:01:58	bwanda	https://termbin.com/s9v7
2022-08-29 13:02:26	Namarrgon	post the kernel log
2022-08-29 13:09:55	jof	bluetail: I still have no idea what you're trying to accomplish.  :)
2022-08-29 13:10:35	bwanda	Namarrgon: https://termbin.com/bv1d
2022-08-29 13:12:09	bluetail	jof https://termbin.com/09zr I want to sort each function by its name, not the literal lines
2022-08-29 13:12:20	bwanda	Namarrgon:  0.656632] AMD-Vi: AMD IOMMUv2 functionality not available on this system - This is not a bug. 
2022-08-29 13:12:33	bluetail	this could be a much bigger file and I want it sorted
2022-08-29 13:12:38	bluetail	not do it by hand
2022-08-29 13:13:11	Hello_World	Hiya! I was wanting to switch from syslinux to systemd-boot, can I just replace my /boot partition with a new efi one, reinstall linux and then do bootctl install? Or will that break stuff?
2022-08-29 13:14:02	Namarrgon	is the disk already using GPT?
2022-08-29 13:15:02	Namarrgon	bwanda: AMD-VI shouldn't work on this system since it has an intel CPU
2022-08-29 13:15:52	jof	bluetail: I see. Don't have an easy answer for you. You could write your own, but I'm not aware of a tool that does this.
2022-08-29 13:16:08	Namarrgon	bwanda: in which OS did you confirm that the AMD GPU actually works?
2022-08-29 13:16:18	bwanda	windows
2022-08-29 13:16:26	bwanda	when i first got the laptop
2022-08-29 13:16:35	Namarrgon	is windows still installed?
2022-08-29 13:16:42	bwanda	there was sticker too on it.
2022-08-29 13:16:51	bwanda	Namarrgon: no
2022-08-29 13:27:55	Namarrgon	bwanda: there is no mention of the gpu in the kenrel log. either it's disabled in the firmware, or the gpu is broken or this version of the model never had one in the first place
2022-08-29 13:28:13	Namarrgon	boot some windows iso and see if windows detects it
2022-08-29 13:28:38	Hello_World	Namarrgon: Nope, MBR
2022-08-29 13:28:49	Namarrgon	Hello_World: then you'll have to convert that too
2022-08-29 13:29:15	Namarrgon	bwanda: the laptop should have a service tag somewhere on the case, you can look up the original configuration on the dell service-website
2022-08-29 13:29:18	Hello_World	Namarrgon: I guess that's not possible without the contents of the disk getting lost?
2022-08-29 13:29:36	Namarrgon	Hello_World: gdisk can convert it but make backups first
2022-08-29 13:29:45	Hello_World	Namarrgon: Will look into it, tyvm!
2022-08-29 13:30:26	Namarrgon	this will also break boot for other operating systems, if there are any
2022-08-29 13:31:33	Namarrgon	bwanda: https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-uk
2022-08-29 13:31:34	phrik	Title: Support | Dell Deutschland (at www.dell.com)
2022-08-29 13:31:39	Hello_World	Oh, thank you for the heads-up!
2022-08-29 13:39:29	roxlu	Ok, got a bit further with my Android/Java quest. I'm not extremelly familiar with all the java dev quirks. But I noticed that when I ran `sdkmanager --list`  I got this: https://gist.github.com/roxlu/cc6f79743f2f9b1d4c389951d7b2ab4b  
2022-08-29 13:40:00	roxlu	Then I switched the jdk version using `archlinux-java set java-8-openjdk` and the error was gone. 
2022-08-29 13:40:35	roxlu	Is there a way I could have figured that out from that error message? 
2022-08-29 13:45:08	ponies	roxlu: probably, but StackOverflow is also g 
2022-08-29 13:49:58	bwanda	Namarrgon: https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-in/product-support/product/inspiron-15-3521/overview
2022-08-29 13:50:55	Namarrgon	bwanda: i can't see that information. is it supposed to have the discrete amd gpu?
2022-08-29 13:53:25	bwanda	Namarrgon: https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-in/product-support/product/inspiron-15-3521/drivers it do have AMD
2022-08-29 13:53:29	bwanda	Drivers
2022-08-29 13:53:48	Namarrgon	that doesn't prove that your model has an amd gpu
2022-08-29 13:54:11	Kharec	Hello fellow arch users/contributors !
2022-08-29 13:54:13	Namarrgon	a few of the 3521 models were sold with amd gpus but not many
2022-08-29 13:57:06	Kharec	got a quick question, I took this package to maintain (https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/myrescue) and wanted to update the PKGBUILD file according to arch documentation (https://p.fr33tux.org/d701aa)
2022-08-29 13:57:07	phrik	Title: Pasthis - Simple pastebin (at p.fr33tux.org)
2022-08-29 13:57:29	Kharec	Does it need to update the rel of the package ?
2022-08-29 13:58:00	Namarrgon	i wouldn't but then i wouldn't push this change to the AUR in the first place
2022-08-29 13:59:02	Namarrgon	wait until you have any kind of functional change to commit, and then also adjust the maintainer lines
2022-08-29 14:00:21	Kharec	yes makes sense
2022-08-29 14:00:25	Kharec	thank you Namarrgon
2022-08-29 14:04:07	Kharec	In fact I'm currently seeking around for some packages to maintain/fix/update/etc to bring help, on AUR side first
2022-08-29 14:04:26	Kharec	I use arch linux for a while now and want to help where I can :)
2022-08-29 14:05:14	Kharec	also looking at the bug tracker
2022-08-29 14:07:27	Namarrgon	you can filter for orphans and then sort the results by votes or popularity
2022-08-29 14:08:47	Kharec	good advice, thank you
2022-08-29 14:26:34	roxlu	ok, I've just downloaded the office Android Studio source, instead of using the AUR package. This version runs w/o any errors. 
2022-08-29 14:27:49	roxlu	at least I can do some work now, but I'm curious why I'm having all these issues with the AUR version. If I'm correct, Android Studio downloads several plugins which is in my case are having issues. I'm curious if I can simply remove them all 
2022-08-29 14:29:43	ponies	roxlu: what plugins? make sure Android Studio has downloaded a system image, you may have to set that up. I dont use Android Studio but it may even just create an avd for you 
2022-08-29 14:30:12	kabouik	Does anyone know what could cause the following behaviour? I use i3wm and my i3 config starts a urxvt daemon and runs setxkbmap to enable dead keys. When I boot and open urxvt, dead keys are enabled (pressing ' once won't print it as if deadkeys were disabled), but they won't show even if I combine them with space or letters. For instance, ' then e prints only e. Now if I open xfce4-terminal and
2022-08-29 14:30:12	kabouik	do the same, I do get é. If I go back to the urxvt
2022-08-29 14:30:12	kabouik	 window (which I didn't close), now ' then e composes é. 
2022-08-29 14:30:30	kabouik	Any idea what could do that? If xfce4-terminal was loading some env variables, they wouldn't populate to an existing urxvt window, would they?
2022-08-29 14:31:18	roxlu	ponies: I've used Android Studio several times before; it's just that since today I'm running into -lots- of errors; one of them is that the Device Manager isn't working anymore
2022-08-29 14:31:39	roxlu	https://gist.github.com/roxlu/92b40251f7ae9db2b94910ea5bff7ab1 ... 
2022-08-29 14:32:00	roxlu	I'm curious where Android Studio downloads all of it's dependencies so I can start "fresh" 
2022-08-29 14:34:33	ponies	roxlu: its not really an Arch issue, but you might have to tell Android Studio to install the ndk, emualtor, build-tools etc
2022-08-29 14:36:04	roxlu	ponies: my guess is that it's something regarding includes/linking/.. I mean, downloading the official .tar.gz, extracting it and running it works fine. When I install the AUR version it fails. I'm curious what differences there are
2022-08-29 14:36:49	ponies	how does makepkg fail? 
2022-08-29 14:38:51	roxlu	makepkg works fine but the installed version can't run the device manager plugin
2022-08-29 14:46:52	kabouik	Also it seems dead keys only work in urxvt windows that were opened while xfce4-terminal was open too. Those opened after closing cfce4-terminal are back to the non-working dead keys. Those opened before xfce4-terminal or while xfce4-terminal was running work. I can't get my head around what could cause such behaviour.
2022-08-29 14:59:02	kabouik	Actually that's not only opening xfce4-terminal that unlocks the situation, it's focusing its window, or any urxvt window that has been "healed by the grace of xfce4-terminal".
2022-08-29 14:59:53	kabouik	When you focus one of those "healed" windows where dead keys work, opening a new urxvt (from i3 keybindg) will result in an urxvt with working deadkeys.
2022-08-29 15:00:18	kabouik	At this point I may as well believe this is all part of a broader plot to drive me crazy.
2022-08-29 15:04:26	ponies	just want to point out that urxvt is unmaintained, and has been for quite some time now 
2022-08-29 15:06:49	demonicmaniac1	that's why there's new releases every few months upstream right
2022-08-29 15:06:53	kabouik	That's true, but it's considered stable and feature complete for a lightweight terminal (which I need, since this is for running inside containers with no hw-acceleration on a phone). But yeah that may contribute to the configuration headache, you're right.
2022-08-29 15:07:36	demonicmaniac1	urxvt 9.30 is from july this year
2022-08-29 15:08:40	kabouik	Right, so not dead, just old
2022-08-29 15:08:57	demonicmaniac1	and not unmaintained in the least
2022-08-29 15:10:05	Scimmia	rxvt-unicode-9.30.tar.bz2	2021-11-27 21:11	857K
2022-08-29 15:10:36	Scimmia	Not July, but not all that old, either
2022-08-29 15:10:40	kabouik	That's still active though, just slow paced
2022-08-29 15:11:43	demonicmaniac1	Scimmia: right 9.30 one month ago just on the arch side
2022-08-29 15:12:05	demonicmaniac1	however also upstream commits less than a month old
2022-08-29 15:12:18	kabouik	Note that in the above comments, I said that xfce4-terminal "heals" existing windows of urxvt that were running when I focused it. It's true for any other window than xfce4-terminal, infact. Let's say I open urxvt alone: no dead keys. Rofi on top of that (dead keys work in it), then back to urxvt: dead keys work in it too.
2022-08-29 15:12:29	Hello_World	Hiyas! I tried getting amdgpu to run on my system, however when starting X it ends up throwing the following error: https://paste.uguu.se/?c3eb9a623dc0522f#F4rMkyjC8LsRADQqS41xF8DqWdcGosQvcyds5sjsWnHJ [    43.285] (EE) RADEON(0): Failed to initialize surface manager . What could be the problem?
2022-08-29 15:12:29	phrik	Title: Uguu Paste - Temporary Encrypted Pastebin (at paste.uguu.se)
2022-08-29 15:12:41	kabouik	I can't see what kind of setting could propagate to existing windows like that, and then be lost if I open new ones
2022-08-29 15:13:24	Scimmia	Hello_World: well that radeon, not amdgpu
2022-08-29 15:14:10	Scimmia	first thing I would do is see if the modestting ddx works instead
2022-08-29 15:16:18	Hello_World	Scimmia: I made sure that "Kernel driver in use:" returned amdgpu if that's what you mean
2022-08-29 15:17:25	Scimmia	Hello_World: what vid card?
2022-08-29 15:17:54	demonicmaniac1	kabouik: are you starting urxvtd and urxvtc or seperate urxvts? are you running setxkmap before starting urxvtd in xinitrc potentially?
2022-08-29 15:18:05	demonicmaniac1	errr other way round i mean
2022-08-29 15:18:22	Hello_World	R9 270X, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1372707/enable-amdgpu-for-r9-270x-on-20-04 seemed to have it working
2022-08-29 15:18:23	phrik	Title: enable AMDGPU for R9 270x on 20.04 - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
2022-08-29 15:18:39	kabouik	My i3 config starts urxvtd and then my keybinding is to start urxvtc, but I tried all, even without daemon/client things. 
2022-08-29 15:19:02	kabouik	setxkbmap is run from the i3 config, after urxvtd, but I tried inverting that too
2022-08-29 15:19:14	ponies	Hello_World: what did you install? because xorg only starts looking for vesa drivers once it fails at finding the ones it actually wanted
2022-08-29 15:19:32	Hello_World	Although I had to blacklist radeon for it to start using amdgpu
2022-08-29 15:19:48	Hello_World	ponies: A lot^^ What exactly do you mean?
2022-08-29 15:20:41	amixra	hello there... so I today was the day when I was finally set to push to aur my first ever package but... there came a turning point in it
2022-08-29 15:21:14	amixra	remote: error: The following error occurred when parsing commit
2022-08-29 15:21:16	amixra	remote: error: f8b336a8e4876d6b204bd1aafc0aed7fa77c44c0:
2022-08-29 15:21:18	amixra	remote: error: missing .SRCINFO
2022-08-29 15:21:19	amixra	remote: error: hook declined to update refs/heads/master
2022-08-29 15:21:25	ponies	Hello_World: you should be fine with xf86_video_amdgpu which is mesa's driver 
2022-08-29 15:22:06	jelle	amixra: mapekg --printsrcinfo > .SRCINFO; git add .SRCINFO and then ammend your commit
2022-08-29 15:22:19	Scimmia	Hello_World: and yet you're still using xf86-video-ati
2022-08-29 15:22:19	Hello_World	ponies: I got the latest of mesa already installed
2022-08-29 15:22:36	Scimmia	ie, the radeon ddx
2022-08-29 15:22:44	kabouik	demonicmaniac if I put my `setxkbmap -layout us -variant intl -option compose:caps` in .xinitrc, X does not start anymore, so it's in my i3 config only
2022-08-29 15:23:54	ponies	Hello_World: but you dont have xf86_video_amdgpu installed, right? can you check you have that package
2022-08-29 15:23:54	kabouik	My bad, it does start, but doesn't fix the issue
2022-08-29 15:24:15	Hello_World	Oh I don't
2022-08-29 15:25:23	Hello_World	Appears to be only in AUR, unless I am missing something?
2022-08-29 15:25:46	Scimmia	Ok, that card is Southern Islands, so you should be fine with amdgpu
2022-08-29 15:25:58	kode54	um
2022-08-29 15:26:00	kabouik	Also if I move setkxbmap to .xinitrc only, it's not doing anything anymore (presumably becauses X starts after that so the command has no effect)
2022-08-29 15:26:00	amixra	jelle: actually I have done that and for some reason it is taking commit before the head one
2022-08-29 15:26:09	kode54	not blacklist raden
2022-08-29 15:26:09	Scimmia	Hello_World: pacman -Ss amdgpu
2022-08-29 15:26:11	kode54	*radeon
2022-08-29 15:26:15	kode54	there's directions on the wiki
2022-08-29 15:26:21	jelle	amixra: yes, it checks every commit
2022-08-29 15:26:23	kode54	two kernel commandline parameters
2022-08-29 15:26:25	Hello_World	Scimmia: It's Volcanic I think, but https://medium.com/chifi-media/how-to-get-vulkan-amdgpu-working-on-vi-cards-in-linux-e81e5cdd0146 and that stackexchange post seem to say it's fine
2022-08-29 15:26:26	phrik	Title: How To Get Vulkan/AMDGPU Working On VI Cards In Linux | by Emmett Boudreau | Chifi | Medium (at medium.com)
2022-08-29 15:26:34	kode54	one tells radeon not to load for si cards, the other tells amdgpu to load for them
2022-08-29 15:26:55	kode54	I found that radeon was horribly glitchy on my R9 270X
2022-08-29 15:27:11	kode54	especially when I happened to have it plugged into a 4k monitor (lol)
2022-08-29 15:27:37	amixra	jelle: I also squashed the PKGBUILD and .SRCINFO into the previous one becuase you asked to ammend it instead of adding but that also didn't helped. It is again pointing to previous commit
2022-08-29 15:28:04	jelle	amixra: what is the previous commit?
2022-08-29 15:28:43	ponies	amdgpu crashes in one game i have, and RADV is the problem 
2022-08-29 15:28:44	cedb	i had too many problems with avahi-daemon for local dns discovery so uninstalled it. My devices all i have their ip fixed by MAC so its a not super big deal but id still like to able to ssh by hostname instead of ip. Is there a <better> solution? (devices are mostly a few arch boxes, planning on adding a couple pis...)
2022-08-29 15:28:53	amixra	jelle: a commit by the repo owner
2022-08-29 15:29:01	jelle	amixra: repo owner? hmm
2022-08-29 15:29:21	Hello_World	Ah thank you everyone, got the extra/xf86-video-amdgpu now!
2022-08-29 15:29:33	jelle	ponies: you always want RADV
2022-08-29 15:29:40	Hello_World	Guess I can just try again now?
2022-08-29 15:29:43	ponies	cedb: you can use an .ssh/config file to set hostnames. but i think if you want a real internal hostname use dnsmasq 
2022-08-29 15:29:46	Hello_World	Or do I need to change anything first
2022-08-29 15:30:11	ponies	jelle: RADV is crashing my kernel ! :0
2022-08-29 15:30:23	jelle	ponies: file a bug report :) 
2022-08-29 15:30:30	ponies	lol 
2022-08-29 15:30:32	Hello_World	Just gonna try it out, take care everyone brb!
2022-08-29 15:30:52	ponies	maybe i would :) 
2022-08-29 15:31:09	cedb	ponies: yeah running a micro/local dns sounds like a good call, i just liked the idea of something distributed
2022-08-29 15:31:32	cedb	cheers though
2022-08-29 15:33:59	Hello_World	Everything is working now, thank you very much everybody!
2022-08-29 15:33:59	mingdao	cedb: Put them in /etc/hosts to ssh@hostname
2022-08-29 15:34:02	amixra	!paste
2022-08-29 15:34:02	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-08-29 15:34:27	amixra	!ix
2022-08-29 15:34:28	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-08-29 15:34:45	mingdao	s/ssh@hostname/ssh hostname
2022-08-29 15:36:06	dagle	I'm to lazy, I just put my ssh hosts in ~/.ssh/config
2022-08-29 15:36:16	dagle	For most ssh hosts.
2022-08-29 15:36:48	amixra	jelle: https://pasteboard.co/wDizjJ7eQ2wt.png here you may see that I have commited everything (nothing staged) still it says to add .SRCINFO
2022-08-29 15:36:51	phrik	Title: Pasteboard - Uploaded Image (at pasteboard.co)
2022-08-29 15:37:13	jelle	amixra: how does git log look like?
2022-08-29 15:37:48	amixra	how many lines?
2022-08-29 15:38:00	amixra	you want?
2022-08-29 15:38:45	mingdao	cedb: https://0x0.st/opPP.txt
2022-08-29 15:39:27	jelle	amixra: so this is a package you took over?
2022-08-29 15:40:09	cedb	mingdao: right thats the no frills solution
2022-08-29 15:41:11	mingdao	cedb: yup, and best of all, It Just Works
2022-08-29 15:41:20	mingdao	frills are overrated
2022-08-29 15:41:22	ponies	no the real solution is to make a .ssh/config, it does more 
2022-08-29 15:41:57	ponies	and you can add it to your local git :p
2022-08-29 15:42:27	cedb	i mean most usage is ssh but it could be more, mpd clients come to mind, and the pis adressed are most likely not gonna be fixed
2022-08-29 15:42:45	cedb	s/adressed/adresses
2022-08-29 15:44:03	amixra	jelle: https://paste.rs/VTU I have squashed the commit of adding pkgbuild and srcinfo into that minor bug fix commit. 
2022-08-29 15:44:37	jelle	amixra: are you developping software on the aur? huh!
2022-08-29 15:44:43	amixra	jelle: No This was on github I just wanted to package it for aur because it was helpful
2022-08-29 15:44:59	jelle	amixra: yes, but the AUr expects every commit to have a .SRCINFO
2022-08-29 15:45:06	jelle	so this will not work
2022-08-29 15:45:37	amixra	then how do people package VCS packages?
2022-08-29 15:46:34	jelle	amixra: with a new git rpeo
2022-08-29 15:46:36	jelle	*repo
2022-08-29 15:47:18	amixra	jelle: Oh... So that means there shouldn't be any git history?
2022-08-29 15:47:41	jelle	amixra: there can be history, but every commit needs a .SRCINFO file
2022-08-29 15:48:28	amixra	So in this case, Instead of cloning I should git init after downloading it as a zip with pkgbuild and srcinfo adding. right?
2022-08-29 15:49:21	amixra	I meant instead of cloning from github
2022-08-29 15:49:56	roxlu	ponies: I just removed every java related package from my system (including android studio) and I still was running into this issue; then I removed the android-studio AUR package files, cloned them again, reinstalled and now it's working
2022-08-29 15:49:56	amixra	that way there would be only one commit 
2022-08-29 15:50:00	jelle	amixra: that is not a requirement no
2022-08-29 15:50:09	jelle	amixra: no, your packaging repository != software repository
2022-08-29 15:50:21	roxlu	ponies: so somehow my android studio package got borked .. it was also 3.xGB instead of 1.9 which it is now. No idea what happened
2022-08-29 15:51:19	dagle	roxlu: Where did you get those numbers from? Pacman or filesystem?
2022-08-29 15:51:23	jelle	amixra: see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR_submission_guidelines
2022-08-29 15:51:24	phrik	Title: AUR submission guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-29 15:51:48	amixra	jelle: well I am on the same page...
2022-08-29 15:51:50	roxlu	dagle: when I do `pacman -U <package>` it shows you the size it will use
2022-08-29 15:52:23	jelle	amixra: ok, but then you did not do this $ git clone ssh://aur@aur.archlinux.org/pkgbase.git
2022-08-29 15:52:34	jelle	where pgkgbase is the package you want to make
2022-08-29 15:52:42	amixra	No i did it
2022-08-29 15:53:41	amixra	no i guess i didn't because  I had added it through git remote add edx ssh://aur.....url
2022-08-29 15:53:50	jelle	amixra: yes, which does not work :)
2022-08-29 15:55:27	amixra	jelle: isn't it the case that I already have package? and that's what suggested for that case
2022-08-29 15:55:39	jelle	amixra: no
2022-08-29 15:55:56	jelle	amixra: as I said two times before, your packaging repository should have no software just a PKGBUILD and .SRCINFO
2022-08-29 15:56:47	jof	amixra: The AUR repository "point to" your actual software repository. You don't push your actual software to AUR.
2022-08-29 15:58:03	ponies	roxlu: oh you know, its worth asking how much RAM you have? 
2022-08-29 15:58:08	amixra	oh... that's what I have been missing 
2022-08-29 15:58:15	dagle	Unless it's patches. :P
2022-08-29 15:58:18	amixra	; _ ;
2022-08-29 15:59:31	roxlu	ponies: yeah I read some posts about checking your RAM, but that wasn't the issue
2022-08-29 16:12:30	amixra	I got that https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/edxdlr-git ! Anyone who wanna try or may confirm if  it works?
2022-08-29 16:12:32	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - edxdlr-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-08-29 16:16:56	jof	amixra: Not really..... :p
2022-08-29 16:17:59	amixra	sed lyf...
2022-08-29 16:19:35	jof	amixra: I think it'd probablty be easier and more productive for everyone if you tested your package yourself with a VM or in a Docker-container.  :)
2022-08-29 16:20:45	BrainDamage	it's quite likely it doesn't work
2022-08-29 16:21:02	BrainDamage	you're symlinking the main python, which means that CWD will be wrong
2022-08-29 16:21:03	jof	amixra: Then you'd get all errors right-away.
2022-08-29 16:21:33	BrainDamage	you'd have to add a launcher script which launches the python file in the opt dir
2022-08-29 16:22:09	BrainDamage	something along the lines of #!/bin/sh         exec python /opt/edxdlr/edxdlr.py
2022-08-29 16:22:35	BrainDamage	sorry, #!/bin/sh     exec python /opt/edxdlr/edxdlr.py "$@"
2022-08-29 16:34:18	amixra	Braindamage: also i think /usr/bin/edxdlr should be link to /opt/edxdlr/edxdlr.py instead of a directory
2022-08-29 16:35:09	BrainDamage	no, it should be the script I wrote
2022-08-29 16:35:50	Scimmia	some programs will work fine with a link, some won't
2022-08-29 16:36:35	BrainDamage	not that one, it sources other files using relative paths
2022-08-29 16:37:00	Scimmia	kk, I didn't look at it
2022-08-29 16:39:05	amixra	BrainDamage: So last two lines would be
2022-08-29 16:39:26	amixra	touch "$pkgdir"/usr/bin/dir
2022-08-29 16:40:05	BrainDamage	that's unnecessary
2022-08-29 16:40:13	amixra	cat >/usr/bin/dir <<EOF #!/bin/sh     exec python /opt/edxdlr/edxdlr.py "$@" EOF
2022-08-29 16:40:42	amixra	oh yes cat will make file too...
2022-08-29 16:40:56	BrainDamage	yes, make sure that exec goes on a new line, and EOF has to be wrapped in quotes
2022-08-29 16:41:18	BrainDamage	otherwise "$@" will expand to current shell, instead of being inserted as-is
2022-08-29 16:41:50	BrainDamage	also, is the binary name really "dir" ?
2022-08-29 16:41:59	BrainDamage	and you'll also need to flag it as executable
2022-08-29 16:42:40	amixra	no it is dlr (downloader)
2022-08-29 16:45:11	jof	amixra: There. I made you a video for how you can debug your package via Docker: https://asciinema.org/a/BuU59r3Nlku0PGZjO87oNLHW7
2022-08-29 16:45:12	phrik	Title: Test AUR via Docker - asciinema (at asciinema.org)
2022-08-29 16:49:26	amixra	jof: I am doing exactly that way but instead of using docker i am inside ~/.cache/yay/edxdlr-git
2022-08-29 16:50:14	amixra	trying makepkg -sif after changing pkgbuild
2022-08-29 16:50:33	jof	amixra: If you use a docker-container you can test a "fresh" installation over and over again, and don't need anyone to test anything for you.  :)
2022-08-29 16:52:17	amixra	jof: wouldn't I have to setup whole arch first? starting right from keymappings mirror lists... etc etc
2022-08-29 16:52:30	jof	nope
2022-08-29 16:52:44	jof	This *was* a fresh installation.
2022-08-29 16:53:12	amixra	oh...
2022-08-29 16:54:51	jof	amixra: docker run --rm deletes the container when you exit it. That's why I started with a pacman -Syu, installing those git and base-devel, creating the user with sudo-privileges (because makepkg doesn't like to run as root), etc.  .. because none if it existed inside this  fresh container.
2022-08-29 16:56:00	jof	amixra: If you intend to do a lot of this, I'd recommend streamlining it a bit by writing a Dockerfile where you can automate all that boilerplate.
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2022-08-31 15:20:54	KeKou	I am back, I failed
2022-08-31 15:21:07	Namarrgon	you wouldn't be back otherwise :P
2022-08-31 15:21:38	KeKou	still freeze, linux kernel. the lts kernel is good
2022-08-31 15:22:15	KeKou	loading initial ramdisk, freeze, just like that
2022-08-31 15:22:40	Namarrgon	if you have a gf117m then this is a laptop?
2022-08-31 15:22:54	KeKou	Namarrgon: yes
2022-08-31 15:22:58	KeKou	old thinkpad
2022-08-31 15:23:57	Namarrgon	KeKou: does it boot far enough to log to the journal?
2022-08-31 15:26:32	Psi-Jack	h4rd3n3d_: Or sudo. 
2022-08-31 15:27:59	mpan	It would be worth distinguishing between remote servers (like VPS) and local machines (like your own laptop). Locally you can always run a live distro to regain root access. With remote servers you may lock yourself out.
2022-08-31 15:29:15	KeKou	Namarrgon: sadly no journal
2022-08-31 15:29:28	Psi-Jack	mpan: Well, some good VPS providers give you a means to access the console directly. All but AWS, really.
2022-08-31 15:29:49	KeKou	any got lts version journal
2022-08-31 15:29:54	KeKou	only
2022-08-31 15:30:02	jof	khchanel: excerpt from my sshd_config:
2022-08-31 15:30:02	jof	PermitRootLogin no
2022-08-31 15:30:02	jof	PubkeyAuthentication yes
2022-08-31 15:30:02	jof	PasswordAuthentication no
2022-08-31 15:30:02	Psi-Jack	AWS only just started working on getting a form of "console" into the instances. Too little too late, I say.
2022-08-31 15:30:37	AlexC	ehe, reboot did brake my bootloader
2022-08-31 15:30:41	AlexC	unlucko :D
2022-08-31 15:30:57	mpan	Psi-Jack: yes, but that’s worth distinguishing.
2022-08-31 15:31:12	mpan	Also some local DEs may require root access for privileged operations.
2022-08-31 15:31:19	hendry	Is there a tool to quickly download the src of package, e.g. https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/slock/ ?
2022-08-31 15:31:20	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - slock 1.4-6 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-08-31 15:31:38	Psi-Jack	h4rd3n3d_: Has nothing to do with Debian, Ubuntu, or anything. Has to do with who's password to use, what environments to sanitize for it, and you can even write specific sudo rules to allow specific commands.
2022-08-31 15:31:39	mpan	hendry: asp
2022-08-31 15:31:54	mpan	asp checkout $PKGNAME
2022-08-31 15:32:07	Psi-Jack	mpan: DE's? Are we talking running a DE on a VPS? Someone needs to be shot. 😛
2022-08-31 15:32:26	jof	mpan, khchanel: If you need to "be" root, then you log in as your normal user an do a: sudo su -
2022-08-31 15:32:26	mpan	Psi-Jack: 15:31 < mpan> Also some local DEs may
2022-08-31 15:32:44	mpan	jof: thanks for that mention, did you read the backlog?
2022-08-31 15:32:52	Psi-Jack	mpan: In that context, may what exactly?
2022-08-31 15:32:57	susi	h4rd3n3d_: when you do just pacman -S, you su first?
2022-08-31 15:33:08	jof	mpan: Trying to catch up ;)
2022-08-31 15:33:31	susi	I have never done sudo su
2022-08-31 15:33:35	susi	sudo -i, yes
2022-08-31 15:34:01	jof	susi: Whatever floats your boat.  :)
2022-08-31 15:35:21	Psi-Jack	Hmm. Is there an app like kalu that lets you see the news and track what you have and have not read, and allows you to run an update terminal similarly?
2022-08-31 15:35:39	hendry	mpan: thanks
2022-08-31 15:36:25	susi	I think sudo is just great
2022-08-31 15:36:42	susi	even though I explored doas as an alt
2022-08-31 15:36:42	Psi-Jack	susi: Ditto.
2022-08-31 15:36:48	Psi-Jack	doas, pfft.
2022-08-31 15:37:04	khchanel	sudo -i vs sudo su -   could start a debate
2022-08-31 15:37:31	Psi-Jack	susi: And before sudo -i, specifically before -i was finally added, people did sudo su -
2022-08-31 15:37:46	Psi-Jack	But, for those still doing it *SMACK*
2022-08-31 15:38:16	Psi-Jack	khchanel: Nothing to debate. 😛
2022-08-31 15:39:16	khchanel	dumb question --- /etc/rc.conf  is a thing of the past right?
2022-08-31 15:39:29	Psi-Jack	a very distant past.
2022-08-31 15:40:01	Psi-Jack	And that... Seems more like it was FreeBSD or bsd in general, not sysvinit/lsb-init.
2022-08-31 15:40:30	jelle	Psi-Jack: arch linux had /etc/rc.conf in the past
2022-08-31 15:40:44	Psi-Jack	Oh, before it got smart with systemd. Possible.
2022-08-31 15:40:52	khchanel	that was the time i was an active arch user :P
2022-08-31 15:41:05	Psi-Jack	That was a time I spit on arch.
2022-08-31 15:41:17	jelle	Psi-Jack: no, not possible it was so
2022-08-31 15:41:54	khchanel	tbh i still prefer the /etc/rc.conf way than current systemd... maybe im stubborn & oldschool
2022-08-31 15:42:06	Psi-Jack	I say possible, because I never seen it with my own eyes. Before arch adopted systemd, I wasn't even interested in looking at it.
2022-08-31 15:42:08	khchanel	rc.conf was so good compare to other distro at the time
2022-08-31 15:42:20	jof	Psi-Jack: I was today-years-old when I found out about "sudo -i" and read up about it.  :) Thanks!
2022-08-31 15:42:35	jelle	Psi-Jack: imagine believing people
2022-08-31 15:42:52	Namarrgon	i still have my old rc.conf on this system
2022-08-31 15:43:02	khchanel	jof and now you cant unseen it and you will be forever triggered when you see people sudo su
2022-08-31 15:43:09	Psi-Jack	jelle: Oh, I believe you. 🙂
2022-08-31 15:43:26	khchanel	Namarrgon and migrated a few hardware since?
2022-08-31 15:43:31	Namarrgon	yeah
2022-08-31 15:43:41	Namarrgon	-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3,9K 22. Okt 2011  /etc/rc.conf~
2022-08-31 15:43:57	wunit	I lost mine :-(
2022-08-31 15:44:14	khchanel	Namarrgon that thing belongs to museum
2022-08-31 15:44:38	wunit	"no, YOU belong to a museum!"  *punch*
2022-08-31 15:45:19	Psi-Jack	h4rd3n3d_: There was indeed a time -i was not yet implemented on sudo.
2022-08-31 15:45:23	Psi-Jack	h4rd3n3d_: So that makes you... YOUNG!
2022-08-31 15:45:29	Psi-Jack	🙂
2022-08-31 15:45:44	wunit	but /etc/rc.conf was nice and simple, compared to what you'd get on other distros
2022-08-31 15:46:42	khchanel	yea i loved it
2022-08-31 15:46:58	susi	I have an Arch install from 2005, should boot it some day and see how it looked back then
2022-08-31 15:47:08	khchanel	DAEMONS=(...sshd...)
2022-08-31 15:47:28	susi	I was an Archer back then, but then had 13 years of AFK, so pretty much everything's new again 
2022-08-31 15:47:44	khchanel	susi same here
2022-08-31 15:47:50	Psi-Jack	susi: 13 years away from a computer?
2022-08-31 15:53:25	susi	and even then when I got back to the keyboard, I started with Windows, now it's just 1,5a of 'practising' Linux again.. trying to catch up :-)
2022-08-31 15:53:31	susi	luckily Arch forces one to learn
2022-08-31 15:53:44	susi	(or at least study)
2022-08-31 15:54:35	Psi-Jack	Arch does no such thing, but people will learn, or they will end up with a broken system.
2022-08-31 15:54:48	KeKou	susi: I try to be lfser at the same time, and I failed today.
2022-08-31 15:55:25	KeKou	So I am a lfs-looser.
2022-08-31 15:57:45	KeKou	I only get one of my arch kernel running, call it life, guess?
2022-08-31 15:58:38	Namarrgon	have you found anything in the journal?
2022-08-31 15:59:26	KeKou	Namarrgon: nothing
2022-08-31 15:59:44	Namarrgon	nouveau is a bit finicky in general but try to add it to the initramfs and see if early-kms fixes whatever the issue is
2022-08-31 16:02:13	KeKou	Namarrgon: ok, I'll try it another day, let's call it a day, today
2022-08-31 16:15:54	Psi-Jack	And was that just me or was libera.chat having temporary issues?
2022-08-31 16:16:22	sharperguy	What could be cauing my keyboard to drop events on wayland? Getting maybe 1 missing keypress out of 15 characters and the occasional missed keyup as well
2022-08-31 16:17:57	Psi-Jack	sharperguy: Hmm, bad keyboard? Bad USB?
2022-08-31 16:18:35	sharperguy	keyboard works in the TTY
2022-08-31 16:41:08	ajucodz	Hi
2022-08-31 16:50:09	bluetail	hi. What do you need?
2022-08-31 17:03:36	bluetail	susi giving more power through a hub resolved the usb issue
2022-08-31 17:07:33	susi	bluetail: nies
2022-08-31 17:13:59	vvn		if foo.service has Alias=bar.service, should you enable foo.service or bar.service?
2022-08-31 17:39:53	Edu4rdSHL	vvn, foo.service
2022-08-31 17:40:18	vvn	it figured it makes more sense indeed.
2022-08-31 17:42:13	KeKou	arch has defined $HOME/.local/bin path?  echo $PATH, got two same $HOME/.local/bin path, one is from my .bashrc
2022-08-31 17:43:25	Scimmia	no, Arch doesn't add that by default
2022-08-31 17:43:31	Edu4rdSHL	KeKou, no, Arch doesn't define $HOME/.local/bin by default.
2022-08-31 17:45:12	KeKou	Edu4rdSHL: then why I end up two same PATH?
2022-08-31 17:45:26	Edu4rdSHL	Let me ask my magic ball
2022-08-31 17:46:03	KeKou	commented .bashrc, left one
2022-08-31 17:46:09	Edu4rdSHL	Probably you installed another tool that added that
2022-08-31 17:46:26	Scimmia	are you sourcing .bashrc from .bash_profile or something?
2022-08-31 17:49:34	KeKou	Scimmia: [[ -f ~/.bashrc ]] && . ~/.bashrc, this is my bash_profile
2022-08-31 17:50:15	Scimmia	so you're adding it to PATH there when you log in, then adding it again when you start a non-login shell in a terminal emulator?
2022-08-31 17:54:34	KeKou	Scimmia:  ok, like that is what i am doing.
2022-08-31 17:58:29	leonardus	Does anyone know who "Allan" is here or can provide additional context? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/07WATGT4/f622f2437e44e7bcb7e59251c47616b4cbf36bfb7ff6a4fa143d5e7bdf752cba_1.jpg
2022-08-31 17:59:06	jelle	!allan
2022-08-31 17:59:07	phrik	jelle: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
2022-08-31 17:59:10	jelle	!allanbrokeit
2022-08-31 17:59:10	phrik	My Liege!
2022-08-31 18:02:09	susi	Colin McRae's lil brother
2022-08-31 18:07:33	Sout_	impressed some one printed it out
2022-08-31 18:17:38	Edu4rdSHL	"My root partition is btrfs"
2022-08-31 18:17:40	Edu4rdSHL	>.<
2022-08-31 18:18:14	MacGyver	What's wrong with that?
2022-08-31 18:18:26	MacGyver	Oh wait, it's in the form.
2022-08-31 18:18:34	MacGyver	Note that the form is 7ish years old.
2022-08-31 18:18:42	MacGyver	Back when btrfs wasn't as reliable.
2022-08-31 18:18:54	MacGyver	(Says the guy still on mdraid+lvm+ext4)
2022-08-31 18:20:52	Edu4rdSHL	Don't say that too loud, many people would get offended
2022-08-31 18:21:23	interweb	I installed calibre but it seems not to be using the dependencies that was supposed to be installed alongside it so get error messages like No module named 'mechanize', how can I fix it?
2022-08-31 18:21:38	interweb	I did it through pacman btw
2022-08-31 18:21:49	Scimmia	do you have a venv active or something?
2022-08-31 18:22:20	interweb	Scimmia, yes I do
2022-08-31 18:22:29	Edu4rdSHL	interweb, type -a calibre
2022-08-31 18:22:34	Scimmia	that's your problem. You're overriding the system python
2022-08-31 18:22:49	interweb	calibre is /usr/bin/calibre
2022-08-31 18:22:59	Edu4rdSHL	Well, it's what Scimmia said 
2022-08-31 18:23:10	interweb	Scimmia, how can I use the system python?
2022-08-31 18:23:18	Scimmia	by disabling your venv
2022-08-31 18:24:01	interweb	Scimmia, I'm using conda by default, is there a way to force pacman install it on the conda?
2022-08-31 18:24:09	Scimmia	no
2022-08-31 18:25:46	KDDLB	Looks like archinstall is broken at the moment 
2022-08-31 18:25:47	interweb	Scimmia, ok thanks
2022-08-31 18:26:09	interweb	KDDLB, I deactivated conda and it works now, have to run conda deactivate whenever I want to use calibre from now on
2022-08-31 18:26:24	KDDLB	Oops
2022-08-31 18:26:36	interweb	KDDLB, wrong message lol
2022-08-31 18:26:45	KDDLB	I guess your tab autocomplete sorts by activity lol
2022-08-31 18:26:55	jelle	interweb: you can also let your DE run calibre ;-)
2022-08-31 18:28:17	interweb	jelle, seems like dmenu is also running .zshrc hence activating conda and not the system python
2022-08-31 18:28:29	jelle	hmmm sounds weird
2022-08-31 18:28:35	jelle	(and super annoying :P
2022-08-31 18:28:41	interweb	true
2022-08-31 18:28:54	susi	dmenu is running .zshrc, what do you mean?
2022-08-31 18:29:24	Scimmia	interweb: how are you logging in?
2022-08-31 18:29:25	interweb	susi, I activate conda in my .zshrc, and dmenu can't open calibre hence I think it is activating conda
2022-08-31 18:29:42	interweb	Scimmia, just typing startx in terminal
2022-08-31 18:29:53	interweb	no login manager
2022-08-31 18:30:27	Scimmia	and you're using zsh as your login shell, I assume? So it's sourcing .zshrc there and everything you start from there inherits it
2022-08-31 18:30:59	jelle	note that this will break almost everything using python
2022-08-31 18:31:13	interweb	jelle, what will
2022-08-31 18:31:26	interweb	Scimmia, yes zsh
2022-08-31 18:31:28	jelle	interweb: what Scimmia said
2022-08-31 18:31:29	throstur	interweb: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/xinit#Autostart_X_at_login side note for you
2022-08-31 18:31:30	phrik	Title: xinit - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-08-31 18:45:24	KDDLB	Okay, the manual install doesn’t work either
2022-08-31 18:45:36	KDDLB	i get a “keyring is not writable” error
2022-08-31 18:46:27	Namarrgon	KDDLB: when doing what?
2022-08-31 18:46:38	KDDLB	Pacstrap 
2022-08-31 18:46:59	Namarrgon	how much ram does the system have?
2022-08-31 18:47:07	KDDLB	16GB
2022-08-31 18:47:29	Namarrgon	what are you booting the iso from and how did you write it?
2022-08-31 18:48:29	KDDLB	I booted from HTTP (using netboot dot xyz), but I had the same issue when booting directly from an USB flash drive 
2022-08-31 18:51:16	KDDLB	I just set SigLevel to Optional temporarily 
2022-08-31 19:00:54	KDDLB	Aha I fixed it, I just needed to delete the gnupg directory inside /etc/pacman.d
2022-08-31 19:01:08	KDDLB	and reinit and populate the keyring
2022-08-31 19:14:36	wildcards	:1
2022-08-31 19:14:49	gehidore	:2
2022-08-31 19:15:04	mpan	:π
2022-08-31 19:15:34	wildcards	lol
2022-08-31 19:15:36	gehidore	!grab mpan 
2022-08-31 19:15:37	phrik	gehidore: Tada!
2022-08-31 19:15:39	gehidore	worth it
2022-08-31 19:16:09	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-08-31 19:16:21	⚡ 	mpan wonders what’s funny about it out of context. But will not protest.
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2022-08-31 19:16:39	⚡ 	coruja doesn't count on mpan concerning counting
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2022-09-01 15:29:19	Foxboron	Because grub-mkconfig says so?
2022-09-01 15:29:27	Foxboron	grub-mkconfig is just an optional framework
2022-09-01 15:29:32	sdisavona	Foxboron: I don't think he doesn't believe, he wrote "normally you [...]" and "you aren't meant [...]".
2022-09-01 15:29:32	BrainDamage	that's because you ran mkconfig, mkconfig will overwrite it
2022-09-01 15:29:38	BrainDamage	you can just ... not run mkconfig
2022-09-01 15:29:59	nl6720	you can also just not use grub
2022-09-01 15:30:01	bluetail	I dont even use grub anymore 
2022-09-01 15:30:04	Foxboron	nl6720: :)
2022-09-01 15:30:45	noze	well I have a working grub install and (until now) the least hassle has been to stick with what I have
2022-09-01 15:31:00	sdisavona	You can also do partial upgrades with pacman, still it's not what devs thought of. Partial upgrades are obviously way worse than editing grub.cfg.
2022-09-01 15:31:15	Foxboron	noze: Why would grub be breaking for you?
2022-09-01 15:31:20	noze	Scimmia: if I understand you correctly, running an old grub config with a newer version shoudl be fine then
2022-09-01 15:31:37	BrainDamage	writing a manual config for grub is way saner than using mkconfig tho
2022-09-01 15:31:40	Scimmia	noze: correct, but Foxboron is the expert here
2022-09-01 15:31:52	Foxboron	noze: you have handwritten your config, whatever grub-mkconfig does doesn't apply to you
2022-09-01 15:32:06	Foxboron	Scimmia: I read 3 commits and suddenly i'm the expert!
2022-09-01 15:32:10	MacGyver	1) A mkconfig-generated file will have the comment you shouldn't edit it manually. 2) You can write a manual grub config that works fine.
2022-09-01 15:32:13	MacGyver	Both things are true.
2022-09-01 15:32:35	BrainDamage	eg this is mine, and it's way less insane than what mkconfig generates https://0x0.st/opW4.cfg
2022-09-01 15:32:48	nl6720	by default there's not /boot/grub/grub.cfg until you create it or run mkconfig, so there's no warning by default there
2022-09-01 15:33:00	nl6720	https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/grub.html#Simple-configuration says "those who feel that it would be easier to write grub.cfg directly are encouraged to do so"
2022-09-01 15:33:01	phrik	Title: GNU GRUB Manual 2.06 (at www.gnu.org)
2022-09-01 15:33:04	Foxboron	BrainDamage: I'm still confused why someone would want that at all really
2022-09-01 15:33:28	BrainDamage	Foxboron: I have fancy jraphics for approx 5s
2022-09-01 15:33:35	sdisavona	noze: It will probably work fine, the only scenario I can think where it could cause problems, is either because of deprecated features or because of new features with a default value causing different behaviours from the past.
2022-09-01 15:33:42	Foxboron	BrainDamage: I also have an Arch logo for halv a second!
2022-09-01 15:33:50	noze	Foxboron: the arch announcement suggests to run grub-mkconfig in addition to running grub-install. To me this sounds like something needs to be added / changed in the cfg in order for it to work with the new package release. I'm wondering whether this is the case, or if I can just run grub-install and move on with my life
2022-09-01 15:34:26	Foxboron	noze: It is the case if you use grub-mkconfig
2022-09-01 15:34:34	Foxboron	If you write your own you should be well aware of how it's written
2022-09-01 15:35:03	sdisavona	noze: I'd expect more problems using a new grub.cfg with an older GRUB version.
2022-09-01 15:35:16	dagle	sdisavona: Yes, arcan is more extreme in what changes it's proposing.
2022-09-01 15:35:21	noze	I wrote my own my modifying a generated one over the last decade or so, so I guess all bets are off :/
2022-09-01 15:36:25	noze	Foxboron: any guess which part of a grub-mkconfig generated config would be problematic?
2022-09-01 15:36:34	Foxboron	noze: It's written in the announcement
2022-09-01 15:36:49	Foxboron	>Recent changes in grub added a new command option to fwsetup and changed the way the command is invoked in the generated boot configuration
2022-09-01 15:36:51	Foxboron	First sentence
2022-09-01 15:37:11	nl6720	an old generated config shouldn't have issues
2022-09-01 15:37:46	MacGyver	It *might* have issues, actually; it doesn't say whether the new invocation method of fwsetup is backwards compatible.
2022-09-01 15:37:55	sdisavona	noze: Anecdotal experience: sometimes I had some really old config (upgraded and passed from system to sytem over the years), suddenly stop working. My approach so far: if thinkering for some hours/days doesn't yield any result, read upgraded docs and re-create past config from scratch, following the new paradigm.
2022-09-01 15:38:11	Foxboron	MacGyver: it's not
2022-09-01 15:38:36	Foxboron	MacGyver: If you include a new command, and a new option, then the config can't be backwards compatible as the new flag won't be recognized
2022-09-01 15:38:38	nl6720	MacGyver: an old generated grub.cgh wouldn't have fwsetup
2022-09-01 15:38:39	Foxboron	It's implied, but written
2022-09-01 15:38:46	nl6720	*.cfg
2022-09-01 15:39:13	MacGyver	nl6720: That's not what it says there.
2022-09-01 15:39:42	MacGyver	Foxboron: Other way around.
2022-09-01 15:39:48	MacGyver	Foxboron: Old config, new version of fwsetup.
2022-09-01 15:39:55	luigibu	what is faster to sream movies in my local network? webdav, samba. nfs? or other? thanks
2022-09-01 15:40:13	Foxboron	MacGyver: wouldn't be a problem as you are not using the new dependencies
2022-09-01 15:40:15	BrainDamage	http
2022-09-01 15:40:31	BrainDamage	or SRTP
2022-09-01 15:40:40	jelle	luigibu: neither should be limitting or do you have 4k and 100 mbit?
2022-09-01 15:41:20	luigibu	my tv is 4k but movies not
2022-09-01 15:41:32	nl6720	MacGyver: huh? isn't the issue that a newly generated grub.cfg now runs fwsetup unconditionally (with the new --is-supported option) thus dumping those with old grub into the fw setup?
2022-09-01 15:41:36	MacGyver	Foxboron: The phrasing "... and changed the way the command is invoked in the generated boot configuration." doesn't imply that for me. Not that I care, I don't use grub, but it doesn't preclude incompatibility.
2022-09-01 15:41:42	jelle	luigibu: oh and tv does the streaming?
2022-09-01 15:41:46	noze	okay, so I generated a new config at /tmp/grub.cfg; it does indeed have a line saying `fwsetup --is-supported` before the adding the 'UEFI firmware settings' menuentry. 
2022-09-01 15:42:27	noze	really sounds like the issue should only arise if you do regen the cfg, thus adding the call to fwsetup wit the new flag, but do not reinstall grub
2022-09-01 15:42:47	nl6720	noze: yes, that's how I understand it too
2022-09-01 15:42:49	luigibu	the file server.. would be in a pc with arch, and appletv with an app... would like to get that shared folder
2022-09-01 15:43:06	luigibu	i did something in the past with a synologi.. 
2022-09-01 15:43:26	luigibu	i used webdav back then.. 
2022-09-01 15:43:39	luigibu	but maybe there is something better now?
2022-09-01 15:43:44	jelle	webdav is not great :-)
2022-09-01 15:43:52	jelle	luigibu: I am not sure what your appletv app supports
2022-09-01 15:44:23	MacGyver	noze: If your old config doesn't contain fwsetup at all, then yes.
2022-09-01 15:44:38	MacGyver	noze: If it *does* contain fwsetup that announcement *doesn't* say whether that will be compatible.
2022-09-01 15:44:51	MacGyver	I'm trying to figure it out from upstream notes now.
2022-09-01 15:44:51	luigibu	im not sure.. but many apps support samba, webdav and ftp for sure
2022-09-01 15:45:28	Foxboron	noze: Yes, that is the issue
2022-09-01 15:45:39	noze	well, in that case, the announcement could have been a bit less terse :/ The part that's confusing to me is that, as far as I can tell, there's no pacman hook that would regenerate the config (which would be problematic as it'd overwrite handcrafted files). oh well
2022-09-01 15:46:05	noze	thanks everybody for the explanations!
2022-09-01 15:47:38	MacGyver	noze: There's also no hook that installs an updated grub version.
2022-09-01 15:47:49	MacGyver	noze: Effectively, if you never touch grub, you won't hit it either.
2022-09-01 15:47:49	nl6720	how did so many people even encounter that grub issue? did they just run grub-mkconfig for no reason after the grub package was upgraded?
2022-09-01 15:48:06	Foxboron	nl6720: Derivative distrros
2022-09-01 15:48:08	Foxboron	distros*
2022-09-01 15:48:17	Foxboron	Which is why almost nobody on the Arch side complained
2022-09-01 15:48:32	Foxboron	I believe Endeavour, Garuda and co all have hooks which run grub-mkconfig
2022-09-01 15:48:42	Foxboron	jonathon can probably confirm
2022-09-01 15:48:43	noze	ah yeah that'll do 
2022-09-01 15:48:53	nl6720	while, I suspected that, AFAIK no one was caught yet
2022-09-01 15:49:05	Foxboron	It's trivial to check. I just havent bothered
2022-09-01 15:49:10	MacGyver	Why the fuck would you do that but not also have a hook that actually updates grub itself?!
2022-09-01 15:49:17	MacGyver	*That*'s where the CVEs are.
2022-09-01 15:49:19	MacGyver	Not in the config >.<
2022-09-01 15:49:19	Foxboron	MacGyver: Because....
2022-09-01 15:49:37	nl6720	Foxboron: so... why weren't they just told to fuck off?
2022-09-01 15:49:50	Foxboron	MacGyver: https://gitlab.com/garuda-linux/packages/stable-pkgbuilds/garuda-hooks/-/commit/4f4da043088f45372877e9154fec36aa3f605d6b
2022-09-01 15:49:51	phrik	Title: Replace compound hook with grub-update.hook (4f4da043) · Commits · Garuda Linux / Packages / Stable PKGBUILDs / garuda-hooks · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2022-09-01 15:49:57	Foxboron	nl6720: I didn't realize this until much later
2022-09-01 15:50:38	Foxboron	https://github.com/endeavouros-team/PKGBUILDS/blob/a50b847e982c62f53f9858eea219927bb6498656/grub-tools/eos-grub-update-after-kernel.hook
2022-09-01 15:51:18	Foxboron	https://gitlab.manjaro.org/packages/core/grub/-/blob/master/grub.hook
2022-09-01 15:51:21	phrik	Title: grub.hook · master · Packages / Core / grub · GitLab (at gitlab.manjaro.org)
2022-09-01 15:51:41	jelle	hmm on kernel upgrade
2022-09-01 15:52:10	demonicmaniac1	when you have versioned kernel naming
2022-09-01 15:54:08	sdisavona	MacGyver: there can be many reasons, I'd say it's a matter of design choice on distro devs side. There are distros without automagical dependency resolution, so I'm not surprised by distros without hooks.
2022-09-01 15:57:19	Edu4rdSHL	Tbh it's a grub problem, there is not way to excuse a software that breaks itself if you regenerate a config
2022-09-01 15:57:36	Foxboron	Edu4rdSHL: You are suppose to update both.
2022-09-01 15:57:58	Foxboron	nl6720: closed the issue "Not a bug" yolo
2022-09-01 15:57:59	Edu4rdSHL	Foxboron, do you mean the grub-install part as the other side?
2022-09-01 15:58:22	Foxboron	Edu4rdSHL: grub-mkconfig and grub-install should both be ran. Why all these distros decided on something else is on them
2022-09-01 15:58:40	MacGyver	If you're in the business of regenerating configs, you MUST also reinstall the loader when it itself upgrades.
2022-09-01 15:59:07	Foxboron	I'm just deeply annoyed at nobody interacting upstream while explaining wtf they themself where doing
2022-09-01 15:59:08	nl6720	!give Foxboron 👍
2022-09-01 15:59:09	phrik	Foxboron: 👍
2022-09-01 15:59:14	Edu4rdSHL	Foxboron, yes... but well, it never happened to grub before, iirc
2022-09-01 15:59:28	Foxboron	just wait until Arch figures out the issues and then point at us for rolling master because we cba to maintain 100 patches
2022-09-01 15:59:47	Foxboron	Edu4rdSHL: And you are free to discuss if this is a regression. But don't the issue on Arch
2022-09-01 15:59:54	Foxboron	don't put the issue on Arch*
2022-09-01 16:00:01	Edu4rdSHL	Foxboron, I never said that or did that
2022-09-01 16:01:16	Foxboron	Edu4rdSHL: good!
2022-09-01 16:03:39	Psi-Jack	Hmmm.
2022-09-01 16:04:44	Psi-Jack	I was asking about this kind of thing actually last night, but it was in focus to why it's not done during kernel updates, which because kernels use a singular name, that makes sense.. But for grub itself to be updated and not fully update itself upon installation, is that actually not happening?
2022-09-01 16:05:25	Foxboron	It can't happen.
2022-09-01 16:06:27	Psi-Jack	can't is a very strong word.
2022-09-01 16:06:42	Foxboron	Psi-Jack: Yes. Because grub is fucking complicated
2022-09-01 16:06:53	Psi-Jack	And yet, it's really not that complicated at all.
2022-09-01 16:06:57	Foxboron	It is
2022-09-01 16:07:01	Psi-Jack	No. It is not.
2022-09-01 16:07:07	MacGyver	Foxboron: I'm looking at grub's git commits and still trying to figure out *why* this breaks.
2022-09-01 16:07:21	Foxboron	Psi-Jack: Explain to me how it can be solved and I'll point out to you how you are wrong.
2022-09-01 16:07:40	Psi-Jack	Sounds like you've already decided ultimately without care what is wrong.
2022-09-01 16:07:46	Namarrgon	there are too many ways to set it up and none are enforced so none can be automated by arch
2022-09-01 16:07:49	Psi-Jack	So, why bother trying to correct you? 😉
2022-09-01 16:07:53	MacGyver	Foxboron: The edits to efifwsetup.c don't imply in any way to me that it would end up unbootable; but the command parser is probably somewhere entirely different >.<
2022-09-01 16:07:57	Foxboron	Psi-Jack: I'm veryvery aware of what is wrong and I know the solution as well. So fuck off
2022-09-01 16:08:08	Foxboron	MacGyver: the issue is the changes to grub.cfg
2022-09-01 16:08:09	Namarrgon	arch doesn't handle pacnews either 
2022-09-01 16:08:41	Foxboron	jelle: You should have banned me as well, but okay
2022-09-01 16:09:05	jelle	Psi-Jack's behaviour and silly remarks have been on my radar for a while
2022-09-01 16:09:17	Foxboron	jelle: They are making fun of Arch on the Manjaro matrix channel as well
2022-09-01 16:09:20	Foxboron	Eh
2022-09-01 16:09:29	⚡ 	jelle sighs
2022-09-01 16:09:32	Edu4rdSHL	jelle, same, I'm just waiting for some other reason to ban him from Garuda chats.
2022-09-01 16:09:36	jelle	and use garudo himself
2022-09-01 16:09:57	Foxboron	I know how all of this can be solved upstream. But there is no one good solution
2022-09-01 16:10:16	Foxboron	But essentially grub-install *needs* to support a config file and people should edit that instead of inventing an invocation every time it's run
2022-09-01 16:10:26	Foxboron	it's just fragile and... poor UX at the moment
2022-09-01 16:11:00	Foxboron	It would also make it much more simpler for downstream distros. Several run with grub-install wrappers to support secure boot and I still don't understand why
2022-09-01 16:11:19	Foxboron	So yes, this issue has been fucking annoying. I went into this with "okay, maybe Arch fucked up?" but no
2022-09-01 16:11:29	Foxboron	it's just those fucking derivative distros again
2022-09-01 16:11:31	Edu4rdSHL	I just decided to dicth grub in favor of systemd-boot several years ago and... I'm very happy with that
2022-09-01 16:11:45	Foxboron	Can't ditch grub, that's the issue
2022-09-01 16:12:37	nl6720	MacGyver: the `fwsetup --is-supported` line in https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/grub.git/commit/?id=26031d3b101648352e4e427f04bf69d320088e77 on old grub is evaluated as `fwsetup` thus you get dumped to firmware setup
2022-09-01 16:12:38	phrik	Title: grub.git - GNU GRUB (at git.savannah.gnu.org)
2022-09-01 16:12:59	Foxboron	or you never had fwsetup in the binary at all
2022-09-01 16:13:22	Foxboron	See https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/grub.git/commit/?id=1e79bbfbda24a08cb856ff30f8b1bec460779b91
2022-09-01 16:13:23	phrik	Title: grub.git - GNU GRUB (at git.savannah.gnu.org)
2022-09-01 16:13:25	Scimmia	Most issues we've seen in here and on the forums were problems following the news item, strangely enough
2022-09-01 16:14:16	Foxboron	Scimmia: I took the hooks for granted and thought we did something. The announcement could have been better if we didn't need to manually figure out what the other distros where doing
2022-09-01 16:14:19	MacGyver	nl6720: I think I just found it too, yes. Either you get dumped to firmware setup or grub errors out.
2022-09-01 16:14:32	Scimmia	like the one person that had 20+ disks, which was filling the nvram
2022-09-01 16:14:48	Foxboron	there are some other issues with grub master...
2022-09-01 16:16:02	MacGyver	So, conclusion: old config with new grub is fine because the old config doesn't *unconditionally* run fwsetup (it assumes that detection has been done at config generation time) and the command itself is backwards compatible.
2022-09-01 16:16:20	susi	I had to downgrade back to r261, r322 introduced a 10+ sec extra lag on boot ("Loading initramfs...")
2022-09-01 16:17:12	krabador	hi, i've that https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/75534?string=0ad&project=5&type%5B0%5D=&sev%5B0%5D=&pri%5B0%5D=&due%5B0%5D=&reported%5B0%5D=&cat%5B0%5D=&status%5B0%5D=open&percent%5B0%5D=&opened=&dev=&closed=&duedatefrom=&duedateto=&changedfrom=&changedto=&openedfrom=&openedto=&closedfrom=&closedto= 
2022-09-01 16:17:13	phrik	Title: FS#75534 : [0ad] Crash with stack trace on launch (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-09-01 16:17:22	Foxboron	MacGyver: it depends on the firmware
2022-09-01 16:17:24	krabador	some of you can confirm ? 
2022-09-01 16:18:23	MacGyver	Foxboron: I don't believe it does but maybe I missed something; I already rm -rf'd the repo so don't feel like going back to check.
2022-09-01 16:18:46	MacGyver	Foxboron: *If* fwsetup is in the old config, it doesn't look like it would interact badly with the new code in efifwsetup.c
2022-09-01 16:19:09	MacGyver	Just to really make explicit what I mean.
2022-09-01 16:19:11	Foxboron	MacGyver: an old version of the efi binary would interact poorly with the new config
2022-09-01 16:19:20	MacGyver	Yes but that's *not* what I said.
2022-09-01 16:19:27	MacGyver	And not what I asked about.
2022-09-01 16:19:32	Foxboron	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-09-01 16:19:37	Foxboron	Then I'm not paying enough attention
2022-09-01 16:19:44	MacGyver	Does an old version of the *config* interact badly with a new version of the *binary*.
2022-09-01 16:19:48	Foxboron	no
2022-09-01 16:20:24	MacGyver	The news entry doesn't state that (I'd say it implies the opposite); but either way it doesn't matter because you shouldn't update these things in isolation anyway.
2022-09-01 16:20:47	Edu4rdSHL	krabador, the issue is confirmed, yes
2022-09-01 16:21:19	krabador	Edu4rdSHL: have you tried preview 0ad and 0ad-data packages ? 
2022-09-01 16:21:25	Edu4rdSHL	krabador, no
2022-09-01 16:21:33	MacGyver	noze: But for your peace of mind: it doesn't look like there's any way in which using your *old* config with an updated grub would result in an unbootable system.
2022-09-01 16:21:58	MacGyver	noze: Or at least, not a way that relates to fwsetup / this news entry.
2022-09-01 16:22:25	str0	Have a lot of people been having problems with keyrings lately?
2022-09-01 16:22:41	nl6720	str0: problems such as?
2022-09-01 16:22:58	Namarrgon	are we talking about the latest iso issue?
2022-09-01 16:23:17	MacGyver	Nah, just the people that ran an upgrade in the last three months or so.
2022-09-01 16:23:39	str0	I've been getting failed to commit transaction (invalid or corrupt package)
2022-09-01 16:23:56	MacGyver	pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring; pacman -Su
2022-09-01 16:24:14	MacGyver	Need to upgrade the keyring before the rest of the system.
2022-09-01 16:24:15	str0	Yeah, I did that, didn't work, and then it solved itself tomorrow
2022-09-01 16:24:23	str0	But I also use artix so it could be that
2022-09-01 16:24:26	MacGyver	Okay *now* it's an interesting prob...
2022-09-01 16:24:30	MacGyver	Now it isn't anymore.
2022-09-01 16:24:33	str0	Lol
2022-09-01 16:24:35	MacGyver	!notarch
2022-09-01 16:24:35	phrik	https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2022-09-01 16:24:48	str0	I know, i didnt ask for help
2022-09-01 16:25:27	wunit	asking if anyone else is having issues (and posting error messages) indirectly is, kinda...
2022-09-01 16:25:43	MacGyver	Especially since the keyring *has* been a pretty ongoing issue for the past month or two.
2022-09-01 16:25:51	Foxboron	MacGyver: year, even
2022-09-01 16:26:29	str0	MacGyver: Well, that answers my question then...
2022-09-01 16:26:34	MacGyver	Well, sure, but in terms of support requests it tends to spike on and off.
2022-09-01 16:26:39	MacGyver	Probably more than a year, too.
2022-09-01 16:27:26	Namarrgon	since the WoT went down the toilet but it wasn't the greatest experience before that either
2022-09-01 16:27:56	MacGyver	I mean it was circling the drain for a while.
2022-09-01 16:28:44	MacGyver	As I like to tell my students, cryptography doesn't solve problems, it only reduces them to the problem of key management. Which happens to be the hardest problem in cryptography.
2022-09-01 16:29:20	MacGyver	So I won't be surprised if this takes another few years to fully fix :P
2022-09-01 16:34:50	Foxboron	WKD is quite neat. I like it
2022-09-01 16:35:21	Foxboron	but brb. Going to calm down with some bookreading before I start yelling at more people
2022-09-01 16:35:26	Foxboron	!flip
2022-09-01 16:35:26	phrik	(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
2022-09-01 16:36:00	str0	WKD the vodka?
2022-09-01 16:36:35	nl6720	str0: https://wiki.gnupg.org/WKD
2022-09-01 16:38:00	bwanda	How to update bios in archlinux?
2022-09-01 16:38:15	AlexC	same as on windows
2022-09-01 16:38:25	nl6720	!give bwanda fwupd
2022-09-01 16:38:26	phrik	bwanda: No idea
2022-09-01 16:38:28	nl6720	!give bwanda aw fwupd
2022-09-01 16:38:29	phrik	bwanda: Fwupd - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fwupd
2022-09-01 16:39:05	coruja	bwanda: didn't we talk about reading the wiki before asking questions?
2022-09-01 16:39:38	MacGyver	coruja: This isn't exactly easy to find if you don't already know what to look for.
2022-09-01 16:40:12	coruja	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Flashing_BIOS_from_Linux
2022-09-01 16:40:13	phrik	Title: Flashing BIOS from Linux - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-01 16:40:53	coruja	(looked for 'bios update')
2022-09-01 16:41:34	MacGyver	Also bear in mind you usually (always) have the option of using the manufacturer-provided bootable image or the update mechanism from within the UEFI interface if it's UEFI.
2022-09-01 16:57:21	noze	I upgraded a package (libxml2) today, and then started getting reports that one of its files (/usr/lib/libxml2.so.2) has an invalid ELF header when launching an app that uses it (fuzzel). Sounds like something went wrong.
2022-09-01 16:57:21	noze	I reinstalled libxml2, now fuzzel works again. But reinstalling resulted in a bunch of error messages from pacman
2022-09-01 16:58:15	warthog	Anybody tried the Mudita Pure phone on Arch Linux?
2022-09-01 16:58:40	noze	specifically, pacman.log contains a bunch of lines like "[ALPM-SCRIPTLET] ldconfig: /usr/lib/foobar.so is not an ELF file"
2022-09-01 16:58:52	noze	what the hell is happening?
2022-09-01 16:59:41	colo	noze, are you sure your mass storage and file systems are OK?
2022-09-01 16:59:59	coruja	noze: can you show us the 'bunch of error messages'? (mind !paste)
2022-09-01 17:02:11	noze	here's the relevant section of pacman.log https://pastebin.mozilla.org/MVTawB9L
2022-09-01 17:02:13	phrik	Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/MVTawB9L (Plain Code) (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
2022-09-01 17:02:46	noze	colo: I have run btrfs scrub and checked smartctl, neither reported any errors
2022-09-01 17:03:06	noze	so the filesystem claims to be working, and the hardware claims the same
2022-09-01 17:03:35	noze	journalctl (or dmesg) report no btrfs related errors
2022-09-01 17:03:39	Edu4rdSHL	Do you have some kind of CPU tweaking such as undervolt/oc?
2022-09-01 17:03:43	noze	no
2022-09-01 17:03:58	jelle	noze: what about btrfs device stats /
2022-09-01 17:04:51	noze	jelle: all 0 except "/dev/mapper/archroot.corruption_errs  270"
2022-09-01 17:04:58	jelle	oooooo!
2022-09-01 17:05:02	Edu4rdSHL	Eeeh
2022-09-01 17:05:08	noze	in particular, it claims 0 read / write errors
2022-09-01 17:05:11	jelle	that is your / where I assume /var/cache/pacman is
2022-09-01 17:05:28	Edu4rdSHL	noze, it should all be zeros
2022-09-01 17:08:31	noze	what now? I already ran btrfs scrub, but it claims that there were "no errors found"
2022-09-01 17:09:19	jelle	noze: uhh I bet device stats / still shows errors?
2022-09-01 17:09:20	noze	also, what's the deal with the last line of the errors in pacman.log? specifically "ldconfig: /usr/lib/ is not a symbolic link"
2022-09-01 17:10:05	noze	jelle: it does indeed
2022-09-01 17:11:41	jelle	noze: you have corrupt files, that's why pacman is complaining
2022-09-01 17:13:21	noze	but why does ldconfig expect /usr/lib to be a symlink?
2022-09-01 17:22:58	bwanda	http://pastie.org/p/0JKT71u0lnGdUe1wynedkk/raw
2022-09-01 17:23:08	bwanda	Error 
2022-09-01 17:23:24	bwanda	sorry WARNING.
2022-09-01 17:24:04	Edu4rdSHL	pastie.org has never resolved here lol
2022-09-01 17:25:12	bwanda	http://pastie.org/p/6SrlPCfLDDhh09Ey8zwXK8/raw
2022-09-01 17:25:27	bwanda	No updatable devices
2022-09-01 17:25:45	bwanda	but support have bios update https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-in/product-support/product/inspiron-15-3521/drivers
2022-09-01 17:26:00	jelle	bwanda: do you have EFI?
2022-09-01 17:26:11	bwanda	yes i have installl grub EFI
2022-09-01 17:27:22	jelle	most likely not supported
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2022-09-01 17:32:43	bwanda	okay trying freedos.\
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2022-09-01 17:34:58	bwanda	jelle: is it dangerous to update bios frimware?
2022-09-01 17:36:50	◣	nortega (~nortega@user/nortega) ha salido (Quit: God bless you!)
2022-09-01 17:37:41	bwanda	Hello?
2022-09-01 17:38:32	Edu4rdSHL	Surely that question has a lot of answers in Google
2022-09-01 17:38:37	coruja	Warning: Flashing the BIOS is a dangerous activity that may render your motherboard inoperable!
2022-09-01 17:39:03	coruja	the wiki bios update page too
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2022-09-01 17:39:43	◣	Repentinus (~repentinu@fsfe/officer/repentinus) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2022-09-01 17:40:22	coruja	and some lines below it says: For users with Dell computers, Dell recommends Linux users flash their BIOS following information located here (in short, put the .EXE on a USB stick and use the F12 boot menu to access the firmware's flash utility).
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2022-09-01 17:40:54	coruja	(where 'here' is an external link)
2022-09-01 17:41:04	bwanda	but i do not see any bootflashupdate option on f12
2022-09-01 17:41:19	bwanda	i have tried that method but did not worked
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2022-09-01 17:41:38	heat	generally not dangerous, but make sure you have the right firmware and don't turn off the power
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2022-09-01 17:44:31	bwanda	 If the update process is interrupted, it can cause permanent damage to your computer.
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2022-09-02 15:31:18	morta	No
2022-09-02 15:31:19	morta	It's come anyway
2022-09-02 15:31:29	morta	Equal what I'm doing
2022-09-02 15:31:35	Namarrgon	what changed right before you started to see this behaviour?
2022-09-02 15:31:46	morta	On every reboot or shutdown
2022-09-02 15:32:15	morta	Could only be the kernel
2022-09-02 15:32:22	morta	but I can't say which version exactly
2022-09-02 15:32:41	Namarrgon	does it work with the lts kernel or when you downgrade the 'linux' kernel?
2022-09-02 15:33:07	morta	I will try the lts kernel
2022-09-02 15:34:10	Namarrgon	https://www.spinics.net/lists/raid/msg71473.html
2022-09-02 15:34:11	phrik	Title: Re: regression caused by block: freeze the queue earlier in del_gendisk — Linux RAID Storage (at www.spinics.net)
2022-09-02 15:34:47	morta	I compile my kernels by hand because of no framebuffer patch who I need . I reported the bug but till now nothing happend. It's seems that linux doesn't like my xeon computer
2022-09-02 15:35:20	Namarrgon	if you already filed a bugreport then you should have started off with that
2022-09-02 15:35:26	SponiX	morta: is that one of the few Xeon chips with integrated graphics?
2022-09-02 15:36:04	morta	no
2022-09-02 15:36:07	morta	I have nvidia
2022-09-02 15:36:19	morta	gpu
2022-09-02 15:36:24	SponiX	odd
2022-09-02 15:36:35	morta	but I removed nvidia driver and nothing changed
2022-09-02 15:37:05	bwanda	my usb keyborad multimedia keys are not working?
2022-09-02 15:37:12	bwanda	any package ?
2022-09-02 15:37:26	bwanda	to install?
2022-09-02 15:37:44	morta	Which keyboard?
2022-09-02 15:41:32	morta	https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=216303#c14
2022-09-02 15:41:54	morta	Here the discussion about the framebuffer patch
2022-09-02 15:42:22	morta	Sorry I have to go see you later
2022-09-02 15:44:07	Strykar_	I'm having a weird video playback issue since upgrading to Nvidia driver 515.65.01. YT or vids in any browser will not start playing until I start a video in VLC! Browser will then play the rest of the video fine and VLC can be closed immediately. Process needs to be repeated for the next video in a browser. Only log is "[drm:drm_new_set_master] *ERROR* [nvidia-drm] [GPU ID 0x00000100] Failed to
2022-09-02 15:44:09	Strykar_	grab modeset ownership"
2022-09-02 15:45:10	morta	You can set no_drm kernel parameter
2022-09-02 15:45:21	morta	And looks if helps
2022-09-02 15:45:27	rounak	Can anyone help me ? I cannot set up polybar correctly in arch. Like I don't know how to enable the redirect feature in polybar. For example my mail client thunderbird is at workspace 2 so whenever I click a mailto link on firefox in workspace 1, it should automatically redirect me to the workspace 2 where my mail client is, I have to manually go to workspace 2 to see that. Can anyone help me. I
2022-09-02 15:45:27	rounak	tried to talk with people in r/polybar and their irc 
2022-09-02 15:45:27	rounak	chat rooms but no response :\
2022-09-02 15:46:08	morta	Google it I don't know the exactly syntax
2022-09-02 15:46:35	morta	Strykar_: 
2022-09-02 15:47:06	rounak	I already googled it but got no results 
2022-09-02 15:47:38	Momentum	rounak: i don't think switching workspaces has anything to do with polybar. if anything it's your window manager
2022-09-02 15:48:16	rounak	I use i3 so how can I do that in i3?
2022-09-02 15:50:36	Jhlorn	rounak: I know nothing about i3, but this might be helpful: https://faq.i3wm.org/question/6237/automaticly-switch-to-workspace-when-app-active.1.html
2022-09-02 15:50:36	phrik	Title: Automaticly switch to workspace when app active - i3 FAQ (at faq.i3wm.org)
2022-09-02 15:52:55	Momentum	yeah you can add `for_window [urgent="latest"] focus` to your i3 config if you want it to focus on urgent workspace i think
2022-09-02 15:54:53	Momentum	or add the class to specify thunderbird in your case
2022-09-02 16:02:24	thebombzen	after a recent grub update, grub-mkconfig fails with: /etc/grub.d/proxifiedScripts/linux: 1: version_find_latest: not found
2022-09-02 16:02:32	thebombzen	any tips on how to fix this?
2022-09-02 16:03:57	morta	grub-install
2022-09-02 16:06:17	thebombzen	just tried that
2022-09-02 16:06:20	thebombzen	still fails
2022-09-02 16:06:52	susi	what is /etc/grub.d/proxifiedScripts/linux? is this an Arch system?
2022-09-02 16:07:23	thebombzen	yes it's an arch system. I just pacman -Syued and grub recommends reinstalling grub
2022-09-02 16:07:32	thebombzen	so I ran # grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/mnt/efi && grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2022-09-02 16:07:47	thebombzen	and it failed during the os-prober step
2022-09-02 16:07:54	thebombzen	as for what that file is, it appears to be a shell script
2022-09-02 16:08:24	susi	and you have installed some "Grub Customizer"?
2022-09-02 16:08:46	thebombzen	I have, but I can't actually launch it, because upon launch it notices that grub-mkconfig is failing and aborts out
2022-09-02 16:09:38	susi	your current grub customizer then probably is not compatible with the new grub
2022-09-02 16:10:48	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-09-02 16:11:13	thebombzen	I suppose I'll have to wait for it to update
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2022-09-02 16:11:31	rounak	@Jhlorn Thanks a lot it fixed my problem
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2022-09-02 16:12:22	Scimmia	or get rid of grub-customizer
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2022-09-02 16:14:03	thebombzen	in the short term, I just removed the extra scripts it added to /etc/grub.d and ran grub-mkconfig and that worked
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2022-09-02 16:15:11	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-09-02 16:15:11	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1418 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1417 normals)
2022-09-02 16:15:13	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-09-02 16:15:19	luigibu	hi! so.. i have an usb drive, and i want to automount it to the same folder if a restar the computer.. sugestions?
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2022-09-02 16:16:07	Strykar_	morta: worth a shot, thanks
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2022-09-02 16:17:34	jonathon	luigibu: fstab with `nofail`
2022-09-02 16:17:57	luigibu	thanks!
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2022-09-02 16:22:22	ℹ 	sh1bum1 es conocido ahora como shibumi
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2022-09-02 16:24:30	luigibu	jonathon: thanks!
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2022-09-02 16:30:23	J_Darnley	Has KDE removed the option to choose what driver or method was used for compositing?
2022-09-02 16:30:55	post-factum	no new iso yesterday?
2022-09-02 16:32:11	J_Darnley	I wanted to tinker with it because my windows have starting going black/blank when mpv is not fullscreen
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2022-09-02 16:33:32	J_Darnley	And I know that affects something because some graphics have always been disabled when it was fullscreen
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2022-09-02 16:34:29	J_Darnley	Searching for anything with "windows" in always useless
2022-09-02 16:34:52	◣	feriman (~feriman@188.163.113.151) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2022-09-02 16:35:04	mpan	J_Darnley: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE#Use_a_different_window_manager
2022-09-02 16:35:05	phrik	Title: KDE - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-02 16:35:18	meskarune	I'm having a weird issue. I installed ddwrt on my router, I have 5Ghz wifi and on android I get 300Mbps but on linux I get barely 1Mbps and idk why this is happening
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2022-09-02 16:35:21	ℹ 	Athyria es conocido ahora como Isarra
2022-09-02 16:35:38	meskarune	both devices connected to the exact same router and wifi network
2022-09-02 16:35:52	mpan	J_Darnley: at this point I assume you want to use a different window manager for composting.
2022-09-02 16:35:55	mpan	*compositing
2022-09-02 16:35:57	BrainDamage	how are you measuring the speed? because the negotiated speed is not constant, it'll fluctuate as a powersafe measure
2022-09-02 16:36:05	meskarune	I also tested with my arch laptop and another person's ububunt laptop that is having the same thing happen
2022-09-02 16:36:24	BrainDamage	try to download a file and check the speed after that
2022-09-02 16:36:30	meskarune	BrainDamage: I've been doing fast.com tests but started doing the tests because internet is noticibly very very slow on linux
2022-09-02 16:36:39	mpan	post-factum: Arch ISOs are usually released on 1st, but that’s not a rule.
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2022-09-02 16:36:53	mpan	post-factum: it’s once a month average.
2022-09-02 16:36:58	artefact	meskarune: which device/driver?
2022-09-02 16:37:00	meskarune	I have a 10Gb connection in my building
2022-09-02 16:37:03	J_Darnley	mpan: maybe I've used the wrong term.  I think the option used to be "opengl" and more
2022-09-02 16:37:24	BrainDamage	ok, so that's internet speed
2022-09-02 16:37:25	BrainDamage	try first to measure the speed to a local pc if you can
2022-09-02 16:37:31	mpan	J_Darnley: oh, so you mean some option in kwin. Then dunno, perhaps they removed it. But using a different window manager may still allow you to test whaty you want.
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2022-09-02 16:38:33	mpan	J_Darnley: also, try asking in #kde — bigger chances someone will know KDE-specific changes there.
2022-09-02 16:38:51	J_Darnley	I'll try but haven't has good luck in the past
2022-09-02 16:38:53	post-factum	mpan: so, if the thing was delayed previously, the date is expected to be shifted?
2022-09-02 16:39:03	mpan	post-factum: no.
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2022-09-02 16:39:40	mpan	J_Darnley: note that I am *not* suggesting you are off-topic here. Just that they may know KDE-specific changes which people here may miss (in particular since most do not use Plasma).
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2022-09-02 16:40:07	post-factum	well, looking at https://archlinux.org/releng/releases/ there's a pattern… but ok
2022-09-02 16:40:08	mpan	post-factum: it will be released in the begining of September. The previous released date plays no role.
2022-09-02 16:40:11	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Releases (at archlinux.org)
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2022-09-02 16:41:44	meskarune	Ok on the router under active connections there is a shit ton of "dns UNREPLIED" things
2022-09-02 16:41:45	mpan	post-factum: after the double April release, the next one came on May 1st and continued until August one was shifted by 4 days.
2022-09-02 16:42:16	artefact	is this actually a problem? is the keyring *that* broken?
2022-09-02 16:43:37	mpan	artefact: OCD something something! ;)
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2022-09-02 16:44:58	J_Darnley	mpan: I understand it is just the #kde has been very quiet when I've asked things in the past
2022-09-02 16:45:07	mpan	Look at the pattern: 1, 5, 1, 1, 1, 5, … it’s 2nd already and nothing! ;)
2022-09-02 16:46:03	mpan	J_Darnley: many IRC channels are slow. Arch is kinda high speed one, to be honest. Perhaps because all our systems work fine and we have nothing better to do than sit in #archlinux. ;)
2022-09-02 16:46:17	J_Darnley	:)
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2022-09-02 16:49:13	artefact	just because channels are quiet, doesn't mean you aren't reaching the right people
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2022-09-02 16:52:28	bwanda	how to tor to ssh?
2022-09-02 16:52:35	bwanda	howto connect tor to ssh? *
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2022-09-02 16:52:49	bwanda	tor ssh something@jfdjd
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2022-09-02 16:53:25	artefact	torify(1) maybe
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2022-09-02 16:54:04	bwanda	artefact: torify command not found?
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2022-09-02 16:54:17	bwanda	checked aur and pacman too?
2022-09-02 16:54:28	artefact	https://man.archlinux.org/man/community/tor/torify.1.en part of tor package
2022-09-02 16:54:30	phrik	Title: torify(1) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2022-09-02 16:54:40	artefact	are you using arch?
2022-09-02 16:54:44	bwanda	yes
2022-09-02 16:55:09	bwanda	which package to insall for torify??
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2022-09-02 16:57:58	bwanda	oh sorry, i have the torify i was doing it on another machine.
2022-09-02 16:58:00	bwanda	sorry
2022-09-02 16:58:20	bwanda	thank you.
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2022-09-02 17:26:37	arch_angel	I just ordered a ThinkPad P16s Gen 1 (AMD), I've read that there are many problems with the AMD CPU
2022-09-02 17:26:40	arch_angel	is the true?
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2022-09-02 17:27:20	Jhlorn	arch-angel: The AMD CPU in general, or on that specific computer?
2022-09-02 17:27:28	arch-angel	the one on that compute
2022-09-02 17:27:31	arch-angel	computer*
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2022-09-02 17:28:04	arch-angel	god my english
2022-09-02 17:28:08	throstur	a general rule of thumb is that all CPUs are bad in one way or another so it doesn't really matter what you use unless you have a specific use case
2022-09-02 17:28:20	NetSysFire	not helpful
2022-09-02 17:28:27	arch-angel	no I mean in terms of hardware
2022-09-02 17:28:28	NetSysFire	arch-angel: many laptops have pages on the archwiki
2022-09-02 17:28:36	Jhlorn	P16 sounds like one of their consumer end models and not their high end commercial models. So I would not honestly trust it at all from personal experiences.
2022-09-02 17:28:49	arch-angel	like is it compatible with arch, is there drivers for it and so on
2022-09-02 17:29:10	Jhlorn	arch-angel: AMD CPU's in general are just fine. They've always been fine.
2022-09-02 17:29:14	arch-angel	ah
2022-09-02 17:29:22	arch-angel	so I have nothing to worry about then right?
2022-09-02 17:29:46	Jhlorn	For the CPU itself? None. For the rest of the hardware in that laptop however, hard to say.
2022-09-02 17:29:52	arch-angel	'cause I've been using a crappy acer swift 5 all along, so drivers and compability weren't much of a headache
2022-09-02 17:30:12	arch-angel	I'm now just worried that maybe the audio or the wifi or some part isn't supported
2022-09-02 17:30:16	throstur	arch-angel: another general rule of thumb is that thinkpads are really good, ask anyone in here if they have experience with them and you'll be hard-pressed to find a naysayer of thinkpads in general
2022-09-02 17:30:29	throstur	also, tend to get supported very quickly in arch
2022-09-02 17:30:33	arch-angel	oh?
2022-09-02 17:30:41	arch-angel	that's really good to hear then
2022-09-02 17:30:41	artefact	i'm about to buy a used t460 myself :P
2022-09-02 17:30:54	Jhlorn	throstur: But there is a difference in models, consumer and professional.
2022-09-02 17:30:56	artefact	i mostly just care about the keyboard, though
2022-09-02 17:31:18	throstur	Jhlorn: indeed, but T4xx and the modern I think it's called T14 or something are robust and fairly affordable for consumer models
2022-09-02 17:31:25	arch-angel	I read this -> https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/wgbyo9/my_new_p16s_gen_1_amd_died_in_a_week/
2022-09-02 17:31:29	arch-angel	which made me worried
2022-09-02 17:32:00	throstur	 arch-angel did you read the first comment? (sorted by best)
2022-09-02 17:32:11	arch-angel	well I did, and then I read the rest
2022-09-02 17:32:33	throstur	your machine will be in warranty. anything could break at any time, don't worry about it.
2022-09-02 17:32:38	throstur	make backups :P
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2022-09-02 17:33:27	throstur	arch-angel: you could try to setup a "persistent arch" installation on a USB and ask the store if you can test it on the hardware before ordering
2022-09-02 17:33:30	arch-angel	i'm not talking about the hardware going borked, I'm talking about some of the comments saying the 6000 series amd cpu has lots of problems with linux and this memory errors
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2022-09-02 17:33:49	arch-angel	throstur, the thing is, my dad has already ordered the thing before asking me
2022-09-02 17:33:56	arch-angel	don't ask me why he ordered it before asking me
2022-09-02 17:34:08	throstur	then the debate is unnecessary, don't worry about it -- it will be fine
2022-09-02 17:34:19	arch-angel	thanks a lot
2022-09-02 17:34:31	throstur	any support that you find to be missing can be easily requested if you don't have the skill to implement it yourself
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2022-09-02 17:34:53	throstur	I reiterate that thinkpads in general are good and well supported
2022-09-02 17:35:08	throstur	also, anything new is prone to have problems at first, don't overthink it
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2022-09-02 17:35:26	arch-angel	good to know that, at least I know I can get help if anything goes wrong
2022-09-02 17:36:32	throstur	I kind of envy you :P you get to plan your setup so far in advance. I always install arch under high-stress emergency conditions because of... reasons
2022-09-02 17:37:03	Jhlorn	throstur: Affordable, yes. It's more about what they do with the consumer models to cheap them up so much.
2022-09-02 17:37:17	throstur	Jhlorn: oh? I'm listening...
2022-09-02 17:37:54	teraflops	my last thinkpad was meh I'll never buy another one
2022-09-02 17:38:04	Jhlorn	throstur: I've had to stop selling them in my store because of the number of returns and RMAs on their consumer line. Their pro line I almost never get an RMA.
2022-09-02 17:38:26	bwanda	tryikng to update bios with freedos gives me "Test." output not getting installed ?
2022-09-02 17:38:29	bwanda	trying *
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2022-09-02 17:39:00	cc0a3hr	grub broke my arch
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2022-09-02 17:39:16	Jhlorn	throstur: Anywhere from, the keyboard was not even properly clipped in to all sorts of random hardware problems.
2022-09-02 17:39:44	throstur	I didn't know it was getting that bad
2022-09-02 17:40:11	Jhlorn	throstur: And of course Suckerfish, twice.
2022-09-02 17:40:12	arch-angel	what
2022-09-02 17:40:22	arch-angel	did I buy the wrong thing
2022-09-02 17:40:24	Jhlorn	They got caught, they did it again.
2022-09-02 17:40:52	throstur	Jhlorn: right... but unless you go free hardware, who doesn't?
2022-09-02 17:41:09	⚡ 	throstur caughs up stories of intel, nvidia
2022-09-02 17:41:51	Jhlorn	HP, Toshiba, Sony, plenty others don't put stuff even close to suckerfish on their laptops.
2022-09-02 17:41:58	throstur	cc0a3hr: https://archlinux.org/news/grub-bootloader-upgrade-and-configuration-incompatibilities/
2022-09-02 17:41:59	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Grub bootloader upgrade and configuration incompatibilities (at archlinux.org)
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2022-09-02 17:42:28	artefact	i remember sony putting rootkits on their memory cards?
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2022-09-02 17:42:50	⚡ 	throstur fashions tinfoil hats, passes them around, and points towards #archlinux-offtopic
2022-09-02 17:43:19	artefact	ah, no, it was discs
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2022-09-02 17:44:04	throstur	Jhlorn: I argue that all proprietary hardware vendors are going to either have intentional or unintentional and unpatched attack vectors for years until "it is discovered"
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2022-09-02 17:46:17	throstur	and as for RMAs.. all consumer electronics are cheap and garbage, but I'd rather buy a laptop with a good pointing stick than a laptop that is less "owned" at the same price point
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2022-09-02 17:49:55	bluetail	how can I test udev rules and figure why they failed?
2022-09-02 17:50:23	throstur	bluetail:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/udev#Testing_rules_before_loading
2022-09-02 17:50:24	phrik	Title: udev - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-09-02 17:52:17	arch-angel	Jhlorn, I can only find an adware called Superfish, but not Suckerfish
2022-09-02 17:52:36	Jhlorn	arch-angel: Oh, apologies, Superfish is the correct name.
2022-09-02 17:52:59	Jhlorn	I'm old and forgetful of things lately, can't always remember things straight like I used to.
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2022-09-02 17:53:29	throstur	oh, it was a software thing? so it's about as relevant as bonzi buddy
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2022-09-02 17:53:46	arch-angel	yeah
2022-09-02 17:53:49	arch-angel	apparently
2022-09-02 17:53:55	◣	feriman (~feriman@188.163.113.151) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2022-09-02 17:53:55	Jhlorn	throstur: It was a man-in-the-middle software thing, but yes. Unrelated to Linux itself.
2022-09-02 17:54:22	bwanda	my keyborad fn key are not working with alsa?
2022-09-02 17:54:29	bwanda	help please
2022-09-02 17:54:39	throstur	arch-angel: you will presumably be replacing your entire operating system cleansing your hardware of software bloat
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2022-09-02 17:55:21	arch-angel	definitely
2022-09-02 17:55:22	artefact	bwanda: does it show up in evtest?
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2022-09-02 17:55:33	arch-angel	wipin' my harddisk clean and installin' good ol' arch
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2022-09-02 17:58:35	bwanda	artefact: /dev/input/event4:Logitech Wireless Keyboard PID:4023
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2022-09-02 17:59:49	bwanda	arch-angel: yes but its working with volume up/down alsa?
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2022-09-02 17:59:59	bwanda	its not wokring with * sorry
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2022-09-02 18:00:26	throstur	bwanda: if I understand correctly, you can't raise/lower volume with your fn+Fx keys, but did you bind them yet?
2022-09-02 18:00:41	bwanda	throstur: no binding?
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2022-09-02 18:01:31	throstur	bwanda: like I have a ducky keyboard that has specific volume buttons, if I don't configure them to "do something", they don't do anything
2022-09-02 18:01:35	Jhlorn	arch-angel: I only mention software because it comes up a lot in my store. I have a tech that deals with that sort of thing constantly. Keep your warranty details handy on that though.
2022-09-02 18:01:44	throstur	this is the arch way, you have to do it yourself
2022-09-02 18:02:04	bwanda	throstur: i do showing ion evtest that the keys are working?
2022-09-02 18:02:11	bwanda	in*
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2022-09-02 18:02:52	bwanda	throstur: how to bind them?
2022-09-02 18:03:34	Jhlorn	throstur: I have noticed that about arch. I'd come a long way from Slackware, to CentOS, to what I am trying now for the past few weeks, Arch Linux and it has been interesting to see just how much hand holding some distributions can be.
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2022-09-02 18:04:36	Jhlorn	I was also surprised when I didn't see fvwm2, my window manager of choice for 30-odd years, but instead fvwm3 which I'd never even heard of until now. 
2022-09-02 18:05:13	throstur	arch has a bit of a learning curve, but it's not that bad... considerably worse than vim but probably in the same region as EVE-Online
2022-09-02 18:05:58	throstur	bwanda: you know, I don't actually remember and I just noticed that I haven't bound my keys to anything... for me, the fun begins now; I recommend you start playing around to avoid frustration
2022-09-02 18:06:04	bluetail	throstur https://pastebot.rmdir.de/KV11-d8mwPln-BXE5iaFKA
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2022-09-02 18:07:15	throstur	bwanda: are you using X?
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2022-09-02 18:43:37	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-09-02 18:43:38	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1428 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1427 normals)
2022-09-02 18:26:04	bwanda	throstur: bindsym XF86AudioRaiseVolume exec amixer -M set Master 3-      does not work it also lower the volume?
2022-09-02 18:26:24	throstur	bwanda: change the minus to a plus
2022-09-02 18:26:36	inddwtsn	https://docs.github.com/en/authentication/troubleshooting-ssh/error-agent-admitted-failure-to-sign I keep getting this error even after following these steps
2022-09-02 18:26:37	phrik	Title: Error: Agent admitted failure to sign - GitHub Docs (at docs.github.com)
2022-09-02 18:27:02	bwanda	throstur: for mute?
2022-09-02 18:27:14	throstur	bindsym XF86AudioMute exec amixer -M set Master toggle
2022-09-02 18:28:30	bwanda	throstur: thank you. my gratitude to you.
2022-09-02 18:28:42	BrainDamage	if you use pulseaudio, you can use https://paste.rs/CLi
2022-09-02 18:36:34	bwanda	one more problem GPU no showing up .. nieither it is on bios settings?
2022-09-02 18:36:49	bwanda	do it relates to bios upgrade?
2022-09-02 18:36:53	bluetail	on amd, intel or nvidia?
2022-09-02 18:36:59	bwanda	amd
2022-09-02 18:37:09	bea	are you sure it exists?
2022-09-02 18:37:09	bluetail	pacman -S opencl-amd
2022-09-02 18:37:29	bluetail	If it shows up afterwards, u should have the basics
2022-09-02 18:38:06	bwanda	bluetail: error: target not found: opencl-amd
2022-09-02 18:38:35	bwanda	okay found it on aur.
2022-09-02 18:38:35	bluetail	edit the following file: "/etc/pacman.conf  "
2022-09-02 18:38:40	bluetail	oh u are aware of aur
2022-09-02 18:38:41	bwanda	yes
2022-09-02 18:38:43	bluetail	do u have yay?
2022-09-02 18:38:48	bluetail	yay -S opencl-amd
2022-09-02 18:38:52	bwanda	yes installing.
2022-09-02 18:38:55	bluetail	cool
2022-09-02 18:43:11	morta	Who asked my if its gone with the LTS Kernel. YES! block device autoloading is deprecated and will be removed doesn't appear
2022-09-02 18:43:15	morta	Are you still here?
2022-09-02 18:43:22	morta	I'm back baby
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2022-09-02 18:45:35	bwanda	bluetail: installed?
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2022-09-02 18:46:34	bluetail	make a reboot and check if its 'seen'. Perhaps with neofetch?
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2022-09-02 18:47:00	bwanda	okay
2022-09-02 18:47:03	jelle	morta: so in the future you will get the issue :)
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2022-09-02 18:50:58	bwanda	bluetail: GPU: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
2022-09-02 18:51:09	bwanda	hm
2022-09-02 18:51:09	bluetail	:|
2022-09-02 18:51:21	bluetail	Oh, its a two-gpu system'
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2022-09-02 18:52:25	bluetail	whats the output of 'lspci | grep VGA' ?
2022-09-02 18:52:46	bwanda	00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
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2022-09-02 18:53:13	bluetail	do u have mesa installed?
2022-09-02 18:53:15	bluetail	sudo pacman -Su mesa
2022-09-02 18:53:36	bwanda	yes
2022-09-02 18:53:42	Psi-Jack	bluetail: Would it not be -Syu, not just -Su?
2022-09-02 18:53:43	ℹ 	Visne_ es conocido ahora como Visne
2022-09-02 18:54:01	bluetail	oh, you are right, yes
2022-09-02 18:54:33	bwanda	done?
2022-09-02 18:54:58	bluetail	If you cannot stat the gpu even after a reboot from that, I'm out of my knowledge
2022-09-02 18:55:07	bluetail	wait
2022-09-02 18:55:08	bluetail	one more
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2022-09-02 18:57:07	bluetail	can u run 'sudo pacman -S linux-headers', reboot, and post the output of 'sudo dmesg' ?
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2022-09-02 18:57:16	bwanda	okay
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2022-09-02 18:59:39	morta	jelle:  So I have to pray that one linux developer has a heart for my bugs.... bad situation
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2022-09-02 19:00:59	jelle	morta: huh?
2022-09-02 19:01:09	jelle	morta: you are using something deprecated
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2022-09-02 19:09:27	Namarrgon	morta: don't forget to update your forum thread 
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2022-09-02 19:10:57	ℹ 	scoobydoo_ es conocido ahora como scoobydoo
2022-09-02 19:11:25	bwanda	bluetail: https://termbin.com/gonq
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2022-09-02 19:12:31	morta	No I use latest kernel on arch Linux
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2022-09-02 19:12:53	luna__	lol
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2022-09-02 19:13:57	morta	I have updated the thread
2022-09-02 19:14:15	luna__	i broke them
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2022-09-02 19:14:46	bluetail	bwanda can u try 'modprobe amdgpu'
2022-09-02 19:15:17	bwanda	yes. success
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2022-09-02 19:17:14	bluetail	okay, I dont know. I hoped it at least to show up in lscpci or dmesg
2022-09-02 19:17:32	bluetail	you tried lscpci right?
2022-09-02 19:17:56	bwanda	yes
2022-09-02 19:18:06	bluetail	then I dont know, sorry. Perhaps somebody else can help
2022-09-02 19:18:21	bwanda	no problem. bluetail thanks
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2022-09-02 19:27:28	Psi-Jack	Well, this is totally weird. Ulauncher launched with xdg-autostart methods, totally fine. Launched with systemd --user service unit, seems to miss xdg-applications like from xfce-specific ones like Sessions & Startup. Totally unusual!
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2022-09-02 19:32:53	bluetail	Psi-Jack I dont really know what you say, but I messed with mimetypes a lot to know how to fix default associations. In particular, I use ANGRYsearch to show me the type and then doing a manual assignment. That said, for midi for example, I need to pass two lines. 
2022-09-02 19:32:53	bluetail	xdg-mime default ptqhandler.desktop x-scheme-handler/mid 
2022-09-02 19:32:53	bluetail	xdg-mime default ptqhandler.desktop audio/midi 
2022-09-02 19:33:14	bluetail	There was also more awkward stuff
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2022-09-02 19:33:43	bluetail	For music... xdg-mime default mpv-singleinstance.desktop application/octet-stream 
2022-09-02 19:34:03	Psi-Jack	This is just an observational issue I found randomly. I've been slowly moving my xfce4-session autostart stuff to run as systemd user units and I've almost got it all done. Just this one thing I noticed with ulauncher is uniquely specific.
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2022-09-02 19:40:21	⚡ 	gehidore grumbles about usb drives that show in dmesg and lsusb without error but never evolve to a block device
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2022-09-02 20:18:05	Vorpal	So I have a super weird bug in Cinnamon starting recently: The bluetooth menu in the task bar is partially in English, partially in Italian. Now, I don't speak Italian (I speak Swedish and English) nor have I ever set any Italian locales so I have no idea where that is coming from.
2022-09-02 20:19:30	Vorpal	I don't quite know which program provides that icon (I have two bluetooth icons down there, one fits the DE icon theme, the other one doesn't, the one that fits is the one that is in Italian)
2022-09-02 20:19:53	Vorpal	any idea how to find out which program provides the icon, so I can figure out where to report the bug
2022-09-02 20:28:59	Edu4rdSHL	Time to learn Italian
2022-09-02 20:29:13	cyphertite_	gehidore:  I've got a handful of ^those; drives me insane ;p
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2022-09-02 20:29:25	Edu4rdSHL	Does the icon have some kind of "help" or "about" in the menu, Vorpal?
2022-09-02 20:29:29	Psi-Jack	Indeed! Funny that too, I was about to learn some Italian soon as I apply for my Italian citizenship. :DF
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2022-09-02 20:29:43	teraflops	ai capito?
2022-09-02 20:29:49	Edu4rdSHL	No wey
2022-09-02 20:30:18	Psi-Jack	Want to, but don't gotta, learn French and Italian. 🙂
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2022-09-02 20:30:50	bluetail	does 'cat file <<-_EOF content _EOF' appear to be invalid syntax? I have been trying to parse a longer file but it doesnt like the double dash. https://pastebot.rmdir.de/4jMZeCkdp1jAc8s2KALffQ
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2022-09-02 20:32:05	bluetail	shellcheck doesnt like it either, visual studio code seems to get problems with my comments
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2022-09-02 20:32:25	Vorpal	Edu4rdSHL: good question! Well it is in Italian if so...
2022-09-02 20:32:28	Psi-Jack	bluetail: Why the _?   and no, you've got a - in there.
2022-09-02 20:32:38	Psi-Jack	Take out the -_ and - and you'd be find.
2022-09-02 20:32:41	Psi-Jack	fine*
2022-09-02 20:32:45	Edu4rdSHL	Vorpal, well, I mean, you can identify which program is that using that menu
2022-09-02 20:32:57	Edu4rdSHL	Usually these menus says "ehlp for $X program"
2022-09-02 20:32:59	Edu4rdSHL	help *
2022-09-02 20:33:16	Vorpal	Edu4rdSHL: sure, but I mean i don't see anything that I recognize as "about" or "help", but then again I don't speak italian
2022-09-02 20:33:27	Edu4rdSHL	Eeeh
2022-09-02 20:33:27	bluetail	Psi-Jack why would I remove the dash? I cite: The hyphen/dash is used for telling the shell to remove any leading tab character from the here-document. This is documented by POSIX as part of the here-document redirection:
2022-09-02 20:33:35	Vorpal	Edu4rdSHL: I guess I could use the camera mode in google translate on my phone
2022-09-02 20:33:53	bluetail	I guess I can remove it, but I dont get how that helps me
2022-09-02 20:34:02	cyphertite_	Vorpal:  Google translate
2022-09-02 20:34:21	Psi-Jack	bluetail: Well, if you have leading tabs that should be fine then.
2022-09-02 20:34:25	throstur	bluetail: have you considered using a HERESTRING instead?
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2022-09-02 20:34:39	bluetail	what is a herestring... googles
2022-09-02 20:34:49	throstur	foo <<< INPUT
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2022-09-02 20:35:13	throstur	it's what it sounds like, you already know what a heredoc is, imagine it being a one-liner
2022-09-02 20:35:38	bluetail	lol, if 2 < are not enough, add a third
2022-09-02 20:35:39	bluetail	it works
2022-09-02 20:35:41	Psi-Jack	Really depends on what he's doing, but yep. From a one-liner or variable.
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2022-09-02 20:36:03	Vorpal	Edu4rdSHL: no there is not, just bluetooth things, like pair device and turn off bluetooth
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2022-09-02 20:37:38	uuidNuniq	i run 1. sudo grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/efi --bootloader-id=GRUB --removable 2. sudo grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/efi --bootloader-id=GRUB , then fail to boot unless a HDMI cable is plugged into a monitor. 
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2022-09-02 20:38:02	throstur	!grab uuidNuniq 
2022-09-02 20:38:02	phrik	throstur: Tada!
2022-09-02 20:38:27	throstur	sorry that I can't help, but that's an instant classic
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2022-09-02 20:39:17	uuidNuniq	i run 2 grub-install, because i want both /EFI/BOOT and /EFI/GRUB up to date. 
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2022-09-02 20:41:14	ℹ 	Lord_of_Life_ es conocido ahora como Lord_of_Life
2022-09-02 20:41:17	throstur	uuidNuniq: did you already read the post about grub on the arch site?
2022-09-02 20:41:51	◣	morteza_24 (~morteza24@93.117.186.176) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2022-09-02 20:42:03	uuidNuniq	the problem is solved however, by removing entire /efi/EFI, and removing 2 UEFI grub entries. and then run only the second grub-install which is with --removeable 
2022-09-02 20:42:05	cyphertite_	uuidNuniq:  if your /boot/efi is mounted during grub-install, why are you specifying '--efi-directory=/efi' ?
2022-09-02 20:42:21	uuidNuniq	cyphertite_: my ESP is at /efi
2022-09-02 20:42:25	uuidNuniq	not at /boot/efi
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2022-09-02 20:43:23	Furai	I was faced today with very specific issue - I've connected my jbl soundbar through hdmi to my nvidia card. It was detected as a screen that I could set a resolution on. Is this normal? Is it possible to somehow set it so it's only used for sound output?
2022-09-02 20:43:31	uuidNuniq	i just don't get it, why it is not working by running 2 grub-install with and without --removeable
2022-09-02 20:43:49	Vorpal	why would you want both?
2022-09-02 20:44:12	throstur	quick, make up something better than wardriving!
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2022-09-02 20:44:36	uuidNuniq	Vorpal: as a backup in case one is broken 
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2022-09-02 20:44:46	Vorpal	riiight
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2022-09-02 20:45:05	Vorpal	throstur: warhoverboarding? It is way sillier at least
2022-09-02 20:45:30	bluetail	Psi-Jack that wasnt even the issue. I had a unescaped '`' . Fixed it with '\`'
2022-09-02 20:45:37	throstur	I can see it happening, hoverboard past an old geezer, and tell him you've got just the usb key to fix his problems
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2022-09-02 20:45:46	Psi-Jack	heh
2022-09-02 20:45:58	◣	Enitin (~Enitin@82.180.145.231) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2022-09-02 20:46:07	Vorpal	throstur: I'm thinking the Back to the future version of hoverboards here. You know, actually floating skateboards
2022-09-02 20:46:08	Psi-Jack	bluetail: That's what you get for partial code snippets. 🙂
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2022-09-02 20:46:17	throstur	Vorpal: me too
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2022-09-02 20:46:28	throstur	the old geezer is biff as an adult
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2022-09-02 21:07:46	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-09-02 21:06:58	Repentinus	We really don't need to learn the extent of your (lack of) anatomical knowledge here.
2022-09-02 21:07:11	terrancel	shhhhhh
2022-09-02 21:07:18	terrancel	maybe you're just very big okay?
2022-09-02 21:07:33	terrancel	the eastern asian illistrations told me it
2022-09-02 21:07:37	terrancel	is very possible 
2022-09-02 21:07:39	terrancel	and valid
2022-09-02 21:07:41	alad	!facedesk
2022-09-02 21:07:42	phrik	http://img07.deviantart.net/c126/i/2015/112/9/6/facedesk_by_supremeoverl0rd-d5wfksf.png
2022-09-02 21:07:47	alad	take it to /dev/null
2022-09-02 21:07:48	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-09-02 21:07:56	bea	rip alad
2022-09-02 21:07:57	llua	inb4banhammer
2022-09-02 21:08:08	terrancel	ill cut it out 
2022-09-02 21:09:34	terrancel	do any of you guys game with arch? and if so what are the latest optimizations / methods of attaining peak performance 
2022-09-02 21:09:40	terrancel	preformance?*
2022-09-02 21:09:42	◣	ivanich (~ivanich@45-140-123-239.broadband.tenet.odessa.ua) ha salido (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2022-09-02 21:10:01	bea	reading the wiki
2022-09-02 21:10:25	alad	publishing code then breaking it on purpose is my favorite arch game
2022-09-02 21:10:46	BrainDamage	!grab alad
2022-09-02 21:10:47	phrik	BrainDamage: Bazinga!
2022-09-02 21:10:57	◣	vitali64 (~vitali64@user/vitali64) ha salido (Quit: Lost terminal)
2022-09-02 21:11:03	alad	>:(
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2022-09-02 21:12:25	Bohemus	Anyone here good with touchpads on laptops? Like to find a way when dragging to select text to have it continue to slowly scroll once I hit the edge of the touchpad.
2022-09-02 21:12:35	◣	mingdao (~mingdao@wireguard/tunneler/mingdao) ha salido (Quit: leaving)
2022-09-02 21:12:56	bea	I think thats handled per application?
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2022-09-02 21:13:18	Furai	BTW, i find ArchLinux community very friendly and actually nice in general. Especially compared to lineageos devs...I don't wish upon my worst enemy having to interact with this bunch.
2022-09-02 21:14:10	dmc	we're getting soft in our old age
2022-09-02 21:14:35	dmc	unfortunate to hear about LOS devs though :o
2022-09-02 21:14:35	mefistofeles	Furai: good to read that, we try to be friendly but as with any big enough group of people, shit happens
2022-09-02 21:14:53	Furai	I can imagine it wasn't as welcoming when it was more "hardcore" in the beginning.
2022-09-02 21:15:17	mefistofeles	I've been here for more than a decade and while I think it's more friendly now, it was always on the friendly side
2022-09-02 21:15:19	terrancel	yeah the arch community is very comfy and welcoming to new commers 
2022-09-02 21:15:23	mefistofeles	even more than other channels here
2022-09-02 21:15:27	alad	!welcome
2022-09-02 21:15:28	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-09-02 21:15:29	alad	I agree!
2022-09-02 21:15:32	terrancel	the "elitism" that was mentioned by normies doesn't seem to be here
2022-09-02 21:15:38	mefistofeles	alad: haha
2022-09-02 21:15:41	terrancel	I've only been using for a couple days now 
2022-09-02 21:15:42	glitsj16	Bohemus: if you mean you want it to keep selecting text while scrolling i think that's not possible with libinput
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2022-09-02 21:15:48	Furai	Nah, there's no elitism here.
2022-09-02 21:15:52	alad	terrancel: there's a certain irony in that statement
2022-09-02 21:15:54	terrancel	with minimal experience (arch install)
2022-09-02 21:16:12	terrancel	alad: ??
2022-09-02 21:16:16	cyphertite_	Furai:  I ran lineageos for years on my old Samsung, right up until they stopped supporting Samsung!  Some of the senior devs were very helpful to me during those years :D
2022-09-02 21:16:19	◣	hinderaker (hinderaker@user/hinderaker) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2022-09-02 21:16:26	alad	> no elitism > normies
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2022-09-02 21:17:41	jelle	alad: de pot verwijt de ketel lel
2022-09-02 21:17:43	Foxboron	terrancel: calling people "normies"  is a form of elitism
2022-09-02 21:17:50	terrancel	but...
2022-09-02 21:17:52	mefistofeles	definitely
2022-09-02 21:17:53	alad	jelle: ;_;
2022-09-02 21:17:55	terrancel	there are two types of people
2022-09-02 21:18:02	terrancel	people who write their own compiliers 
2022-09-02 21:18:06	mefistofeles	alad: and jelle will always be elite, though
2022-09-02 21:18:06	terrancel	and people who don't 
2022-09-02 21:18:17	Foxboron	terrancel: And there you described gatekeeping
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2022-09-02 21:18:32	alad	jelle: ... dat die zwart ziet
2022-09-02 21:18:39	jelle	alad: yes :)
2022-09-02 21:18:40	terrancel	so anyways i bought some arch stickers
2022-09-02 21:18:53	terrancel	I can't to tell everyone i use arch
2022-09-02 21:18:57	alad	arch zuigt is still my favorite arch sticker
2022-09-02 21:19:03	terrancel	as an ironic joke, that is also true
2022-09-02 21:19:11	terrancel	i have LOTS of friends guys.
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2022-09-03 12:17:19	mpan	damax_: what kind of help do you need?
2022-09-03 12:17:41	damax_	Sorry, I don't need help, I was just surprised of a mass disconnection
2022-09-03 12:18:00	mpan	Tor connectivity issues. Happens recently.
2022-09-03 12:19:02	damax_	Understood
2022-09-03 12:19:11	mpan	The nature of those hasn’t been determined AFAIK. Some connect it with the ongoing attacks on Tor, but no clear connection can really be made.
2022-09-03 12:21:44	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-09-03 12:22:22	TheDcoder	It could always be the FBI or CIA forcing nodes to go offline to track someone
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2022-09-03 12:23:54	damax_	Lol
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2022-09-03 13:08:11	itt788	how can i get the link or using git tools to get the patch here? https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=telegram-tdlib-purple-git
2022-09-03 13:08:12	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-09-03 13:09:08	TheDcoder	I switched from LightDM to GDM and now the "Sleep" option is gone, how do I get it back?
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2022-09-03 13:09:41	J_Darnley	itt788: click the "click here to return to the package base details page" link?
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2022-09-03 13:13:05	J_Darnley	Now why the heck did the 32 bit package get split off?
2022-09-03 13:13:33	itt788	J_Darnley: yes
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2022-09-03 13:13:47	J_Darnley	Got what you need?
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2022-09-03 13:23:07	itt788	J_Darnley: yes for the patch file. But now i need the tdlib-purple sources used for that version of arch package
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2022-09-03 13:23:46	itt788	i have version 0.7.9 downloaded directly from the github repo
2022-09-03 13:24:23	itt788	but i just tried the patch on it and it seems there are some failures
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2022-09-03 13:46:11	itt788	J_Darnley: so?
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2022-09-03 13:50:23	J_Darnley	itt788: sorry I went afk
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2022-09-03 13:50:59	J_Darnley	It looks like that repo is for a specific git commit
2022-09-03 13:51:09	J_Darnley	hash 80a9163
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2022-09-03 13:51:21	krumelmonster	Hi, I've been using arch for like 10 years and the issues with peripherals after upgrade where always my main issue with arch. Only now have I found out about kernel-modules-hook and I think this issue and solution should be more present in the wiki -- especially since most other distros I know use versioned kernels. I'd like to write a wiki article "kernel updates" about this. What's your
2022-09-03 13:51:21	krumelmonster	opinions?
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2022-09-03 13:52:19	J_Darnley	and the patch looks like a git format one so you'd have to use -p1 when patching a tarball extract
2022-09-03 13:52:55	krumelmonster	I would move some of this to the new article and add details about how kernel-modules-hook works and maybe mention mkmm: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/General_troubleshooting#Cannot_use_some_peripherals_after_kernel_upgrade
2022-09-03 13:52:57	phrik	Title: General troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-03 13:53:02	Namarrgon	krumelmonster: i'd pick the brains of the #archlinux-wiki folks first
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2022-09-03 13:55:13	krumelmonster	Namarrgon: Ah didn't know that channel existed. Discussion moved there.
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2022-09-03 17:09:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-09-03 17:09:33	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1425 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1424 normals)
2022-09-03 17:08:49	throstur	that worked, now lazy folks like me won't even bother :)
2022-09-03 17:08:58	inddwtsn	thanks
2022-09-03 17:09:33	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-09-03 17:11:25	inddwtsn	while im here, i have another issue which i see addressed in the channel description, except I've tried that and it hasn't helped. When I run sudo pacman-key --refresh-keys, I just get gpg: error reading key: Server indicated a failure, for every key
2022-09-03 17:12:06	throstur	try using another mirror
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2022-09-03 17:14:51	dagle	pacman-key doesn't use a mirror.
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2022-09-03 17:15:11	throstur	!topic
2022-09-03 17:15:11	phrik	throstur: Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
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2022-09-03 17:15:18	throstur	pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring does
2022-09-03 17:16:33	inddwtsn	ran reflector, then ran those two commands again, same error. Should i reboot just in case
2022-09-03 17:16:59	throstur	don't blindly trust reflector though
2022-09-03 17:17:15	throstur	but anyway, rebooting probably wouldn't hurt but I don't think that's the issue
2022-09-03 17:17:43	inddwtsn	how should i run it?
2022-09-03 17:17:47	inddwtsn	or review it?
2022-09-03 17:18:25	teraflops	inddwtsn: to me it looks like the gpg server pacman is using is borked
2022-09-03 17:19:16	throstur	that should probably go on archlinux.org, no? can this be reported?
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2022-09-03 17:20:51	inddwtsn	so it's not on me?
2022-09-03 17:20:53	MrElendig	inddwtsn: why are you running pacman-key?
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2022-09-03 17:21:41	inddwtsn	I was trying to install a package that required adding a key, got an error and someone said to refresh the keys
2022-09-03 17:21:59	MrElendig	inddwtsn: aur package?
2022-09-03 17:22:08	Scimmia	someone was wrong
2022-09-03 17:22:19	inddwtsn	yes
2022-09-03 17:22:31	MrElendig	pacman-key is not going to help with aur packages
2022-09-03 17:22:49	inddwtsn	"gpg: keyserver receive failed: Try again later"
2022-09-03 17:23:03	MrElendig	(and most of the key servers are plain broken sadly)
2022-09-03 17:23:15	teraflops	then it's using user's gpg config not pacman's one
2022-09-03 17:23:29	MrElendig	the ubuntu one usually works though
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2022-09-03 17:23:44	MrElendig	and yes it will use your users keyring, as per the aur page on the wiki
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2022-09-03 17:32:21	thurstylark	I'm trying to delete a device from a multi-device btrfs filesystem in raid10, and it's taking a long-ass time for the command to return. I would usually just assume that it's still working, but I'm not seeing any activity lights for the drives included in the filesystem. Should I just keep waiting?
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2022-09-03 17:34:01	MacGyver	thurstylark: iostat -m -x 1
2022-09-03 17:34:15	MacGyver	thurstylark: It'll show you a % utilization.
2022-09-03 17:34:27	MacGyver	thurstylark: If that's not consistently 0, yeah, you should probably keep waiting.
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2022-09-03 17:35:32	MacGyver	(If it *is* consistently 0 I have no clue what you should do; no experience with btrfs myself)
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2022-09-03 17:36:32	thurstylark	oh, well, *now* I'm seeing some activity :P
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2022-09-03 17:36:59	thurstylark	it is 0 across the board for long amounts of time, though
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2022-09-03 17:38:11	MacGyver	Doesn't btrfs somehow allow you to figure out what's going on, like, if it's doing a scrub or something like that?
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2022-09-03 17:38:48	thurstylark	I thought so too, but I can't find it in the docs I've read so far
2022-09-03 17:39:19	thurstylark	not that I've read *all* the docs...
2022-09-03 17:39:26	thurstylark	because who has that kind of time :P
2022-09-03 17:39:50	thurstylark	but ya know... definitely skimmed what I came across for that kind of tool
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2022-09-03 17:43:45	artefact	dev delete is a glorified balance, i think it prints some info in kmesg
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2022-09-03 17:43:50	ℹ 	bluetail6 es conocido ahora como bluetail
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2022-09-03 17:46:47	thurstylark	doesn't seem to be anything related there
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2022-09-03 17:49:04	thurstylark	`btrfs balance status mountpoint` says no balance found...
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2022-09-03 17:49:25	thurstylark	oh my god. the sudo password prompt got bound up.
2022-09-03 17:49:36	thurstylark	it never started the delete :|
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2022-09-03 17:50:25	MacGyver	Oof.
2022-09-03 17:50:45	thurstylark	welp.
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2022-09-03 17:51:00	MacGyver	How'd you find that?
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2022-09-03 17:52:14	thurstylark	I have sudo set up to use my fido key when available, and I pulled it, so it failed over to the password prompt
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2022-09-03 17:53:06	MacGyver	But then shouldn't it have actually *failed* and not stalled?
2022-09-03 17:53:13	MacGyver	Like what happened here?
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2022-09-03 17:54:13	thurstylark	*shrug* it happens sometimes, especially if the key isn't unlocked before trying to run sudo
2022-09-03 17:54:31	thurstylark	it's an onlykey, and I have to type a pin on the device before it can actually do the fido thing
2022-09-03 17:54:56	MacGyver	But then, unless you're like me and have disabled the sudo timeout, shouldn't sudo eventually timeout and the command then fail on not having permissions?
2022-09-03 17:55:43	thurstylark	I think the failover was a pam thing instead of a sudo thing
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2022-09-03 18:01:28	thurstylark	there we go. now it's doing the thing :D
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2022-09-03 18:05:52	txtsd	I'm trying to get Caddy to be able to use HTTPS on local domains by following this part on the wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Caddy#Certificate_error
2022-09-03 18:05:53	phrik	Title: Caddy - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-09-03 18:06:11	txtsd	But it does not work: https://bpa.st/raw/P6WQ
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2022-09-03 19:59:02	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-09-03 19:59:02	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1417 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1416 normals)
2022-09-03 18:23:39	terrance1	Okay 
2022-09-03 18:23:41	terrance1	now I need help. 
2022-09-03 18:24:07	terrance1	Dolphin refuses to ask me for admin permissions when I to move directories into /usr/share/icons 
2022-09-03 18:24:13	terrance1	"sudo dolphin" doesn't work either.
2022-09-03 18:24:26	irreleph4nt	Hi. I've got a PC I am considering to install Arch on. The only issue I see is that said PC sometimes stays turned off for a couple weeks or some months at a time. Is that going to be a problem?
2022-09-03 18:25:32	throstur	irreleph4nt: it will be fine
2022-09-03 18:25:42	throstur	irreleph4nt: I recommend putting / and /home on separate partitions though
2022-09-03 18:25:52	solsTiCe	you will have each time a lot too download to update
2022-09-03 18:26:55	solsTiCe	irreleph4nt: if you also have another archlinux box, think to setup a caching proxy somewhere
2022-09-03 18:28:16	Namarrgon	the longer you wait between updates the more changes accumulate and the more complicated the post-update maintenance will get
2022-09-03 18:29:20	irreleph4nt	Thanks for the feedback everyone. If I understand you right, a couple weeks of off-time won't be that much of an issue, correct?
2022-09-03 18:29:42	Namarrgon	how long you should/can wait depends entirely on your skills
2022-09-03 18:29:57	Namarrgon	if in doubt, don't use arch
2022-09-03 18:30:58	throstur	irreleph4nt: basically, if you can imagine reinstalling the system but keeping all the user configurations as a possible maintenance step in case of emergencies, then you will be fine if that sounds like something you'd be fine with
2022-09-03 18:31:10	uuidNuniq	irreleph4nt: it is not a problem, whenever you turn on your PC, just run : pacman -Syyuu
2022-09-03 18:31:26	Namarrgon	uuidNuniq: do you know what -yy or -uu do?
2022-09-03 18:31:27	throstur	hence my suggestion, put / on a separate partition and if you have problems just reinstall arch to that partition from a fresh iso
2022-09-03 18:32:03	MrElendig	throstur: even better; btrfs snapshots
2022-09-03 18:32:42	throstur	oh man, I'm still on ext4... why didn't I read about btrfs sooner!
2022-09-03 18:33:07	uuidNuniq	Namarrgon: yes, i do, sir
2022-09-03 18:33:50	Namarrgon	uuidNuniq: how do they help in this situation?
2022-09-03 18:33:52	throstur	wait a minutre, do I even want btrfs on an ssd?
2022-09-03 18:34:03	irreleph4nt	I am more comfortable with zfs instead. Will that work, too?
2022-09-03 18:34:35	throstur	uuidNuniq: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_punctuation
2022-09-03 18:34:36	phrik	Title: Irony punctuation - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2022-09-03 18:34:54	uuidNuniq	throstur: then what do you want btrfs on, HDD?
2022-09-03 18:35:19	throstur	uuidNuniq: the more I think about it, the less I like the idea of copy on write
2022-09-03 18:35:22	throstur	I don't think btrfs is for me
2022-09-03 18:35:38	uuidNuniq	Namarrgon: it does not help, but pacman -Syyuu is fine, most of the time, it is pacman -Syu
2022-09-03 18:35:57	⚡ 	throstur gasps
2022-09-03 18:35:57	uuidNuniq	throstur: i like COW
2022-09-03 18:36:37	throstur	I do tdd in a rapid cycle when developing, I could be saving a 10k line file dozens of times a minute
2022-09-03 18:36:46	throstur	sure, it's a rare worst-case scenario, but still.
2022-09-03 18:37:15	uuidNuniq	for simple personal computer, ext4 is totally fine. 
2022-09-03 18:37:41	uuidNuniq	i don't need those fancy features
2022-09-03 18:37:46	ugjka	ext4 is dog, dog is life
2022-09-03 18:37:59	ugjka	i had some drinks
2022-09-03 18:41:28	throstur	ugjka is diogenes
2022-09-03 18:42:00	artefact	i find data csums and snapshots very useful, especially on personal computers where mistakes happen
2022-09-03 18:43:26	ugjka	ext4 has csums afaik, the later versions
2022-09-03 18:43:35	artefact	nope
2022-09-03 18:44:33	ugjka	NO! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Ext4#Enabling_metadata_checksums_in_existing_filesystems
2022-09-03 18:44:34	phrik	Title: Ext4 - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-03 18:45:35	ugjka	oh, metadata checksums
2022-09-03 18:45:38	ugjka	my bad
2022-09-03 18:46:52	kevku	pc users usually have higher level backups
2022-09-03 18:47:16	artefact	without csums it's hard to know when you're backing up garbage
2022-09-03 18:47:24	artefact	or when the backups themselves are garbage
2022-09-03 18:47:43	throstur	it's not garbage if you can error correct it manually
2022-09-03 18:47:57	kevku	almost all documents are zip containers
2022-09-03 18:47:58	throstur	well, maybe it is... depends how precious your data is
2022-09-03 18:48:20	ugjka	a bit flip in an mkv is not a big deal
2022-09-03 18:48:42	throstur	depends on the bit :)
2022-09-03 18:49:08	ugjka	big program if it happens in a bash script
2022-09-03 18:49:11	ugjka	problem
2022-09-03 18:49:27	L3M0R	Hi! I'm getting an error "elogind-daemon[1922]: Failed to restore VT, ignoring: Bad file descriptor". Any insight?
2022-09-03 18:50:37	throstur	L3M0R: when does this error happen, exactly?
2022-09-03 18:51:10	MrElendig	L3M0R: sure this is arch?
2022-09-03 18:51:19	L3M0R	When I shutdown mt VM, from a libvirt hook script.
2022-09-03 18:51:30	MrElendig	and no artix is NOT arch
2022-09-03 18:52:11	MrElendig	(nor is replacing systemd really supported on arch)
2022-09-03 18:52:14	L3M0R	Same thing happens on Systemd
2022-09-03 18:53:32	L3M0R	when I switch to VT by ctrl+alt+F1, My display turns off. But as soon as I switch to VT7 (lightdm), Display comes corrupted.
2022-09-03 18:53:48	Namarrgon	take this to an artix channel, we don't support it here
2022-09-03 18:57:02	L3M0R	BTW, I got Nvidia, mother of all troubles
2022-09-03 18:57:42	throstur	!give L3M0R roulette
2022-09-03 18:57:42	phrik	L3M0R: *click*
2022-09-03 18:59:45	damax	Question: are the new modules for nvidia better? Compared to the proprietary drivers
2022-09-03 18:59:53	artefact	no
2022-09-03 19:00:52	damax	Lol, I figured...also I don't even think this old 960M I have here would even get the firmware update
2022-09-03 19:02:22	L3M0R	Haven't seen any difference. Wayland still runs buggy
2022-09-03 19:03:08	L3M0R	I don't any nvidia gpu gets an firmware update. (not sure)
2022-09-03 19:04:47	Frogging101	Looking at this grub thing it looks like running grub-mkconfig on its own was never actually sufficient for a grub update. Running grub-mkconfig doesn't update anything except the config file. If you never run grub-install, you will never update the bootloader binary
2022-09-03 19:05:03	Namarrgon	right
2022-09-03 19:05:04	Frogging101	I see the post-install instructions have now been updated to tell you to run both: https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commit/a244970746180238030a4c724ca8196246f554d2
2022-09-03 19:05:12	damax	L3M0R: I might just be completely wrong, but wasn't the drivers/modules open-sourcing just a part of the things, and they moved the "secret stuff" in the firmware?
2022-09-03 19:05:53	Frogging101	So anyone who has been just using grub-mkconfig as instructed has never updated their grub binary  :P
2022-09-03 19:06:01	Frogging101	(myself included)
2022-09-03 19:06:03	damax	Basically
2022-09-03 19:07:08	L3M0R	Their tech is proprietary. It is just the drivers which went open source. They still have stuff like CUDA.
2022-09-03 19:07:48	uuidNuniq	!btrfs
2022-09-03 19:07:50	phrik	who needs good database support anyway?
2022-09-03 19:08:46	damax	L3M0R: I see, does make much sense
2022-09-03 19:08:48	uuidNuniq	do i need a lot of RAM to run btrfs? is btrfs faster than ext4?
2022-09-03 19:08:59	Frogging101	yeah that's what I posted
2022-09-03 19:09:24	L3M0R	no
2022-09-03 19:09:36	Frogging101	Until now the instructions have only said to run grub-mkconfig, which doesn't update the bootloader binary
2022-09-03 19:09:43	L3M0R	Won't say faster, but got a lot of features
2022-09-03 19:09:59	L3M0R	You don't even get to know you partition is being backed up.
2022-09-03 19:10:23	L3M0R	@Frogging they mentioned to installed it first
2022-09-03 19:10:49	Frogging101	where?
2022-09-03 19:11:07	Frogging101	In the installation instructions on the wiki, yes, but it never said to do it again when updating.
2022-09-03 19:11:09	uuidNuniq	Frogging101:  \$ grub-install ...
2022-09-03 19:11:14	L3M0R	https://archlinux.org/
2022-09-03 19:11:15	phrik	Title: Arch Linux (at archlinux.org)
2022-09-03 19:11:16	L3M0R	:)
2022-09-03 19:11:46	Frogging101	no, I'm saying that before this incident, anyone who wasn't already running grub-install was never actually updating the grub binary
2022-09-03 19:12:23	Frogging101	So it's actually been a long standing issue. I just found that interesting
2022-09-03 19:13:20	L3M0R	I'm not sure what's the fuss is all about. I read the news, followed it. No issues what so ever, besides my VT console
2022-09-03 19:13:35	uuidNuniq	yep. my headless arch home server was broken due to grub.... 
2022-09-03 19:14:02	uuidNuniq	i have to plugin a monitor to make it boot, and then run grub-install
2022-09-03 19:14:35	uuidNuniq	luckily i did not have to use a bootable usb
2022-09-03 19:14:36	Frogging101	L3M0R: The issue was triggered by updating the config file (grub-mkconfig) without updating the binary (grub-install), and that's what the post install script has always told people to do. Anyone who has been doing that over the years has never updated their bootloader :)
2022-09-03 19:14:50	Frogging101	So I'm glad the instructions are fixed now
2022-09-03 19:15:02	Frogging101	(I'm referring to the ones printed after you update, in the git link I posted)
2022-09-03 19:15:05	Namarrgon	the real issue is that none of the grub users know what grub-install or grub-mkconfig actually do and running them blindly because someone told them and they never questioned it
2022-09-03 19:15:34	Frogging101	Namarrgon: I actually just assumed the binary would be updated automatically
2022-09-03 19:15:56	⚡ 	throstur hands out os-prober without usage instructions
2022-09-03 19:16:13	uuidNuniq	unless you let them know your grub-install commands.. Frogging101 
2022-09-03 19:16:22	⚡ 	throstur 's diabolical laughter becomes audible
2022-09-03 19:17:37	uuidNuniq	i asked a question yesterday : if i run grub-install 2 times, one with --removable , another one without. there will be a booting problem
2022-09-03 19:18:19	MacGyver	Frogging101: Which is why most people never run either.
2022-09-03 19:18:20	Namarrgon	if you look up what --removable does it should answer your question
2022-09-03 19:18:56	uuidNuniq	Namarrgon: i know what it does, to create ESP/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64
2022-09-03 19:19:34	artefact	what's the point of running both?
2022-09-03 19:19:35	uuidNuniq	and add an item to UEFI firmware
2022-09-03 19:19:47	Namarrgon	no, it does not add an item to the nvram
2022-09-03 19:20:04	MacGyver	What booting issue does running both create?
2022-09-03 19:20:25	uuidNuniq	it does not boot at all in that case
2022-09-03 19:20:26	Namarrgon	--removable will overwrite whatever else is in the default path, whether that is a problem in your case is a question only you can answer
2022-09-03 19:21:06	uuidNuniq	well, arch is the only one OS here. so the "whatever" is grub itself
2022-09-03 19:21:25	Namarrgon	then you have your answer
2022-09-03 19:21:46	uuidNuniq	no i still don't have my answer
2022-09-03 19:21:56	artefact	!give uuidNuniq tias
2022-09-03 19:21:57	phrik	uuidNuniq: Try It And See™
2022-09-03 19:22:22	another|	uuidNuniq: thanks for reminding me about --removable
2022-09-03 19:22:24	uuidNuniq	artefact: i've tried and it won't boot. 
2022-09-03 19:22:31	uuidNuniq	how about you give it a try :P
2022-09-03 19:22:32	MacGyver	What *does* it do?
2022-09-03 19:22:33	another|	updated now
2022-09-03 19:23:01	artefact	i don't use grub. i just put my unified image in bootx64.efi
2022-09-03 19:23:18	MacGyver	I'm extremely skeptical about this claim that the system will not boot at all when you do those things in succession, because --removable simply writes grub to the fallback location. Then again, it would be the only bootloader where I would believe there *is* different behaviour based on where it's written by its installer.
2022-09-03 19:23:38	MacGyver	But honestly if there *is* an issue here I'd suspect the system firmware to be at fault.
2022-09-03 19:24:35	uuidNuniq	it is a headless server. as i said, i have to connect it to a monitor, it then boots. without a monitor, it won't boot
2022-09-03 19:25:19	uuidNuniq	after connecting a monitor. i cleared all the entries with efibootmgr and run *just* grub-install --removable. problem fixed
2022-09-03 19:25:26	MacGyver	That sounds 100% like a firmware issue and eerily similar to my "if there's a monitor connected to the second GPU, it won't boot into the UEFI interface".
2022-09-03 19:25:51	L3M0R	Is anyone of you running any WM on Wayland?
2022-09-03 19:26:01	another|	!anyone
2022-09-03 19:26:01	phrik	Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2022-09-03 19:26:15	L3M0R	Are you using nvidia?
2022-09-03 19:26:20	MacGyver	uuidNuniq: What you're describing points to the firmware not being able to cope with the EFI variables grub sets.
2022-09-03 19:26:31	uuidNuniq	MacGyver: maybe, but i don't think it happened in the last 3 years... i always run grub-install twice like that before. only this time, it did not boot
2022-09-03 19:26:39	MacGyver	uuidNuniq: You'd likely have the same issue if you only install grub as *non*-removable.
2022-09-03 19:27:04	MacGyver	uuidNuniq: Still a firmware issue, unless grub fucked up and does something out-of-spec with the EFIvars.
2022-09-03 19:27:05	another|	L3M0R: no
2022-09-03 19:27:13	MacGyver	uuidNuniq: Which is entirely possible, mind.
2022-09-03 19:27:35	uuidNuniq	L3M0R: no, it is a Gigabyte Brix with i3-5010u
2022-09-03 19:28:00	MacGyver	uuidNuniq: But your fix is to install the bootloader to the fallback location that doesn't require any efivars to be set at all, which is a fine setup in and off itself.
2022-09-03 19:28:12	MacGyver	uuidNuniq: So just never run it without --removable on your system.
2022-09-03 19:28:26	MacGyver	Or, that *particular* system, anyway.
2022-09-03 19:28:32	uuidNuniq	MacGyver: yeah, lesson learnt this time. 
2022-09-03 19:29:58	uuidNuniq	getting rid of grub is fine, using only efibootmgr to add a entry to nvram works here, but it is not convinient to modify the boot options in the future
2022-09-03 19:30:37	MacGyver	Could use systemd-boot for a middle-ground.
2022-09-03 19:31:06	uuidNuniq	well, systemd-boot is not easier than grub :P
2022-09-03 19:31:20	uuidNuniq	mkdir, touch conf, balabala
2022-09-03 19:32:06	MacGyver	It's less complex.
2022-09-03 19:32:17	MacGyver	And therefore less likely to fuck up.
2022-09-03 19:33:10	uuidNuniq	my brix server is fine with systemd-boot i think. but systemd-boot does not work with some VPS. like the one from Oracle always free 
2022-09-03 19:35:17	uuidNuniq	yeah, that is another level of complex
2022-09-03 19:35:46	uuidNuniq	so i stay away from encryption
2022-09-03 19:59:02	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-09-04 19:34:28	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-09-04 19:34:28	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1436 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1435 normals)
2022-09-04 14:57:53	seniorengineer	So can you see the error
2022-09-04 15:00:56	seniorengineer	https://imgur.com/a/8fsOqe1
2022-09-04 15:00:57	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2022-09-04 15:14:18	Scimmia	seniorengineer: where is your kernel on disk?
2022-09-04 16:05:56	bwanda	increaseing more sound than 100% alsamixer?
2022-09-04 16:09:04	Psi-Jack	h4rd3n3d: Looks like they went Debian to Arch without changing any partioning layout.
2022-09-04 16:09:17	omen	do you guys think that installing arch to old macbook pro would be straight forward?
2022-09-04 16:09:33	omen	being known for closed hardware
2022-09-04 16:09:39	Psi-Jack	omen: Yes/No!
2022-09-04 16:10:05	omen	i guess i'm going to figure it out anyway. No way i'm using macos
2022-09-04 16:10:18	⚡ 	Psi-Jack pets his MacBook pro running macOS Montery.
2022-09-04 16:10:54	Scimmia	there's wiki pages for macbooks, iirc
2022-09-04 16:11:11	bwanda	h4rd3n3d: need have pluse audio?
2022-09-04 16:11:13	Oofta	omen: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Laptop/Apple
2022-09-04 16:11:15	phrik	Title: Laptop/Apple - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-04 16:11:21	omen	ty my dudes
2022-09-04 16:12:48	Psi-Jack	Heh, my Xfce setup looks like macOS Big Sur to actually have a similarish feel to my neighbor laptops running actual macOS. The only thing left I need to get working is macOS style keyboard bindings, but I don't think that's 100% entirely possible.
2022-09-04 16:13:29	phrik	Title: PulseAudio - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-04 16:13:48	Psi-Jack	heh
2022-09-04 16:14:48	Psi-Jack	h4rd3n3d: Meh. TUI irc client he uses. I don't blame him for not. 🙂
2022-09-04 16:25:57	Psi-Jack	heh
2022-09-04 16:27:33	Psi-Jack	Here's a fun one! I started moving some of my X-based services, that is, those that run as systray applications (like kalu) or are never really interacted with (like picom), and since doing so, one thing that's happening, or rather not happening, is kalu doesn't seem to be getting XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP, so things it runs doesn't know what desktop session I'm in.
2022-09-04 16:28:14	Psi-Jack	I wonder... At what phase does XDG_vars even get set during the transition from DM to User Desktop.
2022-09-04 16:29:27	Psi-Jack	I bet too, this is why ULauncher under this same method, is not finding my Xfce menus specific to Xfce, like Session & Startup.
2022-09-04 16:30:39	ulteq	paste!
2022-09-04 16:30:46	ulteq	!paste
2022-09-04 16:30:47	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-09-04 16:34:12	bwanda	h4rd3n3d: its slow volume still i that my latpop speaker have problem?
2022-09-04 16:35:29	bwanda	h4rd3n3d: https://imgur.com/a/1p2WtCU
2022-09-04 16:35:31	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2022-09-04 16:38:05	Psi-Jack	Hmm, Guess I'll try adding all the XDG_* environment to the systemctl --user import-environment to see if that fixes things. 🙂
2022-09-04 16:38:30	aguitel	is possible to aboid grub upgrade ?
2022-09-04 16:38:42	aguitel	sorry avoid
2022-09-04 16:38:52	throstur	aguitel: you mean like not updating your /boot ?
2022-09-04 16:39:07	aguitel	throstur, yes
2022-09-04 16:39:15	throstur	just don't run grub-install :P
2022-09-04 16:39:46	throstur	!paste
2022-09-04 16:39:47	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-09-04 16:39:52	throstur	!ixup
2022-09-04 16:39:53	phrik	ixup is alias ixup='curl -F f:1=<- ix.io'
2022-09-04 16:40:10	jelle	aguitel: are you afraid of grub issues? Updating grub on arch afaik does not update anything in /boot
2022-09-04 16:40:50	Scimmia	just don't update the config if you don't update grub itself
2022-09-04 16:41:25	aguitel	jelle, this is about i am talking :https://archlinux.org/news/grub-bootloader-upgrade-and-configuration-incompatibilities/
2022-09-04 16:41:26	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Grub bootloader upgrade and configuration incompatibilities (at archlinux.org)
2022-09-04 16:41:36	Psi-Jack	Yaaay. Passing my XDG_* environment over actually did work. 😀
2022-09-04 16:41:54	aguitel	if i put on holdpkg grub in pacman
2022-09-04 16:42:36	Scimmia	you can, but why?
2022-09-04 16:42:55	Scimmia	well, holdpkg doesn't do that, you meant ignorepkg
2022-09-04 16:43:20	aguitel	i think last grub package are unstable
2022-09-04 16:43:38	xx	what part of system deals with the path /etc/tmpfiles.d/
2022-09-04 16:43:55	Scimmia	xx: systemd-tmpfiles
2022-09-04 16:43:59	xx	thanks
2022-09-04 16:44:03	BrainDamage	aguitel: the news should be read as "don't run grub-mkconfig without grub-install", and neither are run automatically by default
2022-09-04 16:44:24	BrainDamage	so if you do nothing, nothing breaks
2022-09-04 16:44:36	aguitel	BrainDamage, ok thanks
2022-09-04 16:45:30	BrainDamage	it might be worth doing both in the case you run mkconfig in the future and forget to grub-install
2022-09-04 16:45:54	aguitel	ok
2022-09-04 16:52:06	aguitel	by falks
2022-09-04 16:54:00	rounak	Hi. I am facing a weird problem. For example when I click on a link in thunderbird which is in workspace 1 it should automatically redirect me to workspace 2 where my firefox is already opened. I also tried setting "for_window [urgent=latest] focus " to my i3 config and reloaded my config. It always works for the first time after I reload my i3 but then it doesn't work. Can anyone please help me
2022-09-04 16:54:00	rounak	?
2022-09-04 17:02:40	Namarrgon	how do you start thunderbird and firefox?
2022-09-04 17:02:55	rounak	I used rofi 
2022-09-04 17:03:02	omen	rofi best
2022-09-04 17:03:05	rounak	$mod+D
2022-09-04 17:03:30	Namarrgon	oh, this is only about the focus
2022-09-04 17:05:02	rounak	Actually my firefox is already opened at ws 2 and when I click on a link in thunderbird which is at ws 1 it should automatically redirect me ro ws 2 where my firefox is. It works when I click a link for the first time but then it doesn't :(
2022-09-04 17:05:33	rounak	firefox is on ws 2*
2022-09-04 17:05:56	Psi-Jack	rounak: I believe you were answered on this matter a few days ago already.
2022-09-04 17:06:02	rounak	yes ik 
2022-09-04 17:06:28	rounak	they said that I should do this -"for_window [urgent="latest"] focus"
2022-09-04 17:06:33	rounak	but it didn't work
2022-09-04 17:06:38	rounak	:'(
2022-09-04 17:07:12	rounak	I was busy with my work so I didn't have the time to look at the matter properly. 
2022-09-04 17:09:19	artefact	any idea what could be causing these pcieport errors? https://paste.debian.net/plainh/112f2858 
2022-09-04 17:14:27	Psi-Jack	rounak: I think #i3 may be where you need to be on this issue.
2022-09-04 17:16:12	rounak	I tried asking people in i3 but I always get a message like - "#i3 :Cannot send to nick/channel"
2022-09-04 17:17:02	throstur	rounak: see below
2022-09-04 17:17:05	throstur	function unityFramework(Module) {
2022-09-04 17:19:51	throstur	check the topic for that channel, it's not on libera
2022-09-04 17:19:57	throstur	damn, missed it
2022-09-04 17:20:34	Psi-Jack	Ahh, yeah, I see topic now there and they moved to OFTC, odd.
2022-09-04 17:22:42	bwanda	cat /proc/sys/kernel/watchdog 1 .. ishould do 0 cat >  /proc/sys/kernel/watchdog to disable?
2022-09-04 17:23:34	jelle	bwanda: why do you want to disable it?
2022-09-04 17:23:49	bwanda	for faster boot jelle 
2022-09-04 17:23:51	jelle	(and no)
2022-09-04 17:23:57	jelle	bwanda: what
2022-09-04 17:24:03	bwanda	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/improving_performance#:~:text=To%20disable%20watchdog%20timers%20(both,nowatchdog%20to%20your%20boot%20parameters.&text=Either%20action%20will%20speed%20up,one%20less%20module%20is%20loaded.
2022-09-04 17:24:05	phrik	Title: Improving performance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-04 17:25:07	jelle	bwanda: yay 0.1 seconds faster
2022-09-04 17:25:41	bwanda	jelle: yes. how to disable it?
2022-09-04 17:26:11	jelle	bwanda: $ cat /etc/sysctl.d/disable_watchdog.conf
2022-09-04 17:26:13	jelle	kernel.nmi_watchdog = 0
2022-09-04 17:26:15	jelle	as the wiki also says
2022-09-04 17:26:20	jelle	anyway this is pretty dumb :P
2022-09-04 17:29:56	bwanda	jelle: dumb to on turn off watchdogs?
2022-09-04 17:30:19	jelle	prolly fine on laptops, but it's not going to make your boot a ton faster
2022-09-04 17:33:17	throstur	rounak: did you get the topic in #i3 about it being moved to OFTC?
2022-09-04 17:33:54	rounak	Yes I asked them but no answers till now. 
2022-09-04 17:34:13	Psi-Jack	It's a weekend, a holiday weekend.
2022-09-04 17:34:18	Psi-Jack	For some. 🙂
2022-09-04 17:34:37	rounak	hmm ic
2022-09-04 17:35:19	rounak	I think I will ask in arch forums later ig because it is better
2022-09-04 18:35:58	bluetail	is there a how-to-sed thingy?
2022-09-04 18:36:09	bluetail	I started making aliases...
2022-09-04 18:36:10	bluetail	alias how-to-sed-replace-containing-with="echo 'sed -i 's/STRING_TO_REPLACE/STRING_TO_REPLACE_IT/g' filename'"
2022-09-04 18:36:27	bluetail	a real alias with input seemed to fail for some reason
2022-09-04 18:36:34	Psi-Jack	How to sed. man sed and learn?
2022-09-04 18:36:37	bluetail	for instance, I would add $1 and $2 as stdin
2022-09-04 18:36:50	bluetail	no, theres no way I can remember it
2022-09-04 18:36:56	bluetail	I want it ready to go
2022-09-04 18:38:08	another|	`info sed`
2022-09-04 18:38:12	pid1	   http://www.pement.org/sed/sed1line.txt
2022-09-04 18:38:37	pid1	I believe this is also linked in the wiki, FWIW.
2022-09-04 18:39:27	bluetail	it kinda is
2022-09-04 18:40:17	bluetail	but it doesnt seem to be what I wanted
2022-09-04 18:41:20	bluetail	its always what I need right now, right? Until I have maybe memorized it after using it thousands of times
2022-09-04 18:42:46	another|	the info page is more extensive
2022-09-04 18:43:03	bluetail	they are all 
2022-09-04 18:43:16	bluetail	why is there no 'the most commonly used'... or so
2022-09-04 18:43:38	pid1	If you find yourself needing it regularly, the O'Reilly sed&awk books are quite helpful at helping explain both of them as tools, not collections of one-liners.
2022-09-04 18:44:06	bluetail	I do understand sed, but I want to have support to be certain
2022-09-04 18:44:19	bluetail	before issuing a command
2022-09-04 18:44:29	pid1	The Pement page effectively is that 'most commonly used' you're referring to.
2022-09-04 18:44:43	bluetail	that makes me think, wasnt there a dry-run  option?
2022-09-04 18:44:47	pid1	Write test files to operate on before running it on your target directory
2022-09-04 18:46:04	pid1	Make copies of the originals, write to a different output file rather than replacing. Various options there.
2022-09-04 19:02:45	seniorengineer	Is there a way to boot from the efi
2022-09-04 19:04:10	seniorengineer	I created the lvm first for debian
2022-09-04 19:04:46	Psi-Jack	seniorengineer: That's what the EFI Loader (grub, systemd-boot, rEFInd), etc is for, booting.
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2022-09-04 19:36:32	Psi-Jack	Heh, awwwww.
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2022-09-04 19:40:47	Psi-Jack	hehehehe./
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2022-09-04 19:44:18	irreleph4nt	Hi. I run iPXE with an NFS backend. On the NFS drive I replaced the copy of the archiso I have been using for a while (2022.01.01) with the current one (2022.09.03) but now Arch won't boot ....
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2022-09-04 19:45:09	irreleph4nt	All goes well until the actual rootfs is supposed to be placed into RAM during boot, which is where the boot fails saying it can't find any rootfs to mount
2022-09-04 19:45:48	MrElendig	forgot to update the label?
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2022-09-04 19:46:23	irreleph4nt	I noticed the layout of the archiso has changed a bit during the year (loader folder missing for example). So I copied the entire old ISO back to the share, the replaced the contents of the arch folder with the newer version
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2022-09-04 19:46:40	irreleph4nt	which boots just fine
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2022-09-04 19:47:49	irreleph4nt	So I am now wondering, what has changed in the layout of the archiso and the way it works. Is that documented somewhere so I can read up?
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2022-09-04 20:24:23	leonic	can't get the iso to boot either
2022-09-04 20:25:26	greyltc	do it from the archlinux-2021.10.01 iso
2022-09-04 20:25:38	leonic	that one doesn't work either anymore
2022-09-04 20:25:53	greyltc	ok. so hardware failure?
2022-09-04 20:26:19	leonic	yeah, but it was useable for years even with the occasional shutdowns
2022-09-04 20:26:21	greyltc	your cpu cooling is jacked up and the mobo is shutting down to prevent damage
2022-09-04 20:26:51	heat	so your machine shutdown occasionally? out of the blue?
2022-09-04 20:27:15	another|	Do you run Windows on it?
2022-09-04 20:27:37	leonic	I thought about the cpu temperature, but I can run Memtest86 from the archiso without problems.
2022-09-04 20:28:36	leonic	often it would start. pressing the on button wouldn't do anything. but when it did start, it would stay on and only sometimes shutdown randomly.
2022-09-04 20:28:52	leonic	often it wouldn't* start.
2022-09-04 20:29:09	leonic	no Windows, only linux.
2022-09-04 20:29:10	greyltc	i don't know why the iso would boot and then not boot unless you borked a BIOS setting between the two attempts or you're having a hardware malfunction
2022-09-04 20:29:27	leonic	yeah, I agree.
2022-09-04 20:29:32	heat	i think your mobo or cpu may be borked
2022-09-04 20:29:54	leonic	how can the cpu be broken if it runs memtest without errors?
2022-09-04 20:30:22	heat	booting a system stresses your machine in a lot more ways than a memory test
2022-09-04 20:31:10	greyltc	maybe have a look at voltages/fan speeds/temps in your bios
2022-09-04 20:31:15	leonic	I had the boot and dropout issues before, but when it worked it worked fine (stressing the cpu/browsing the web, etc)
2022-09-04 20:31:30	leonic	nothing to see in the bios about temps/voltages/etc.
2022-09-04 20:31:55	jkc	leonic: Do me a favor? Summarize your issue for me?
2022-09-04 20:32:52	leonic	jkc: laptop won't boot. after it starts loading linux (I see "loading Linux linux-lts" and "loading initramfs" or something, the screen turns off and a few seconds later the laptop turns off as well).
2022-09-04 20:33:29	heat	grab a windows 10 iso and try to boot it
2022-09-04 20:33:37	leonic	"loading initial ramdisk" (not initramfs) I see now.
2022-09-04 20:33:38	jkc	What kind of laptop?
2022-09-04 20:34:08	leonic	old HP 620 laptop.
2022-09-04 20:34:38	another|	boot without `quiet` ?
2022-09-04 20:35:11	leonic	another|: grub has timeout 0/hidden, so it boots immediately. cant edit options.
2022-09-04 20:35:13	irreleph4nt	QQ regarding Arch on ZFS: Why is it recommended to have /, /home and /var (lib + log) on ZFS but not /usr ? If I snapshot before a software install or upgrade and then roll back, won't /usr be inconsistent with / and /var?
2022-09-04 20:35:42	MrElendig	leonic: can mash buttons and get the menu
2022-09-04 20:35:46	MrElendig	mash/hold
2022-09-04 20:36:09	leonic	I tried holding shift or escape, but it didn't work.
2022-09-04 20:36:12	heat	irreleph4nt, traditionally in arch you don't have a separate /usr
2022-09-04 20:36:32	heat	in fact your /bin, /lib, /lib64 point to /usr/{...}
2022-09-04 20:36:37	MrElendig	irreleph4nt: I would question the recomendation for a seperate /var too
2022-09-04 20:37:09	another|	leonic: down key
2022-09-04 20:38:21	MrElendig	irreleph4nt: meanwhile if you want to do snapshots for upgrades, you might want more subvols
2022-09-04 20:38:26	leonic	another|: no bueno
2022-09-04 20:38:49	MrElendig	irreleph4nt: it really depends on your actual use case
2022-09-04 20:40:18	woland	leonic: can you do a hard drive test?
2022-09-04 20:40:42	leonic	sure, but I get the same problem when booting from the usb, so I doubt it matters.
2022-09-04 20:41:01	woland	maybe reset your bios?
2022-09-04 20:41:15	greyltc	good suggestion
2022-09-04 20:41:45	greyltc	and start removing hardware
2022-09-04 20:42:15	woland	yes thats also a great move
2022-09-04 20:42:34	woland	nothing should be attached to your ports
2022-09-04 20:42:44	leonic	there isn't
2022-09-04 20:43:08	irreleph4nt	MrElendig, I am following a recommendation I got here yesterday for a machine which will be offline for a number of weeks - sometimes months ....
2022-09-04 20:43:09	greyltc	can you remove ram?
2022-09-04 20:43:20	MrElendig	irreleph4nt: for that: use ubuntu
2022-09-04 20:43:25	irreleph4nt	The idea is to use a snapshotting filesystem so I can roll back any updates if they go wrong
2022-09-04 20:43:34	hombrelaser	So I upgraded grub knowing full well of the risk, after updating I reinstalled the bootloader and generated the config file again, and it didn't boot, looks like it got stuck. But then the second time around didn't boot neither and now it doesn't boot, weird thing is, if I boot from the BIOS boot menu, it works as intended. What gives? I even tried downgrading grub and it has the same behavior.
2022-09-04 20:43:41	MrElendig	irreleph4nt: then you might want more subvols as I hinted at
2022-09-04 20:44:05	MrElendig	irreleph4nt: the snapper page on the wiki might give some hints
2022-09-04 20:44:07	hombrelaser	Sorry, got confused, it booted once after updating, but then didn't work again.
2022-09-04 20:44:48	woland	hombrelaser: honestly Im so glad that I chose systemboot rather than grub at this point
2022-09-04 20:45:25	greyltc	hombrelaser: is your default boot device set correctly in the bios?
2022-09-04 20:45:34	hombrelaser	Well, if changing the bootloader is less trouble than it's worth I can give it a try.
2022-09-04 20:45:39	hombrelaser	greyltc: yes.
2022-09-04 20:45:59	nurotic	Are these, "lkl, uberkey, THC-vlogger, PyKeylogger, logkeys" keyloggers installed by default on arch? 
2022-09-04 20:46:06	hombrelaser	It boots to grub, but it's awfully slow, like it takes 10 full seconds to register a key press and render the timer message 
2022-09-04 20:46:21	hombrelaser	and when it boots my arch install, it gets stuck in the loading initial ramdisk message
2022-09-04 20:46:47	greyltc	nurotic: there is no default
2022-09-04 20:46:50	hombrelaser	also my windows install is unbootable from grub, but bootable from the bios boot menu
2022-09-04 20:46:55	Namarrgon	nurotic: what made you think that?
2022-09-04 20:47:15	ayekat	!give nurotic xy
2022-09-04 20:47:15	phrik	nurotic: What exactly are you trying to do? http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=542341
2022-09-04 20:47:29	nurotic	Well, they're installed on my system, and I'm not sure what their purpose is 
2022-09-04 20:47:37	MrElendig	hombrelaser: I find that handwriting the grub config is way more reliable than using grub-config/os-probe
2022-09-04 20:47:46	Namarrgon	nurotic: which packages own them?
2022-09-04 20:47:54	MrElendig	still prefer systemd-boot though
2022-09-04 20:48:18	irreleph4nt	MrElendig, the wiki for snapper leads to a forum thread regarding filesystem structure. There, it is either all-out (each dir under / in a separate vol) or /, /home and /opt separated out
2022-09-04 20:48:31	MrElendig	irreleph4nt: not really
2022-09-04 20:48:42	Namarrgon	h4rd3n3d: ignoring the parts where grub-install can't generate an image that can boot from LUKS2?
2022-09-04 20:49:07	MrElendig	it says more than just link to the forum thread
2022-09-04 20:49:38	nurotic	Namarrgon: I tried using, "pacman -Qo" to check, but it says none owns them 
2022-09-04 20:50:14	MrElendig	nurotic: let me guess: this is blackarch or some other pen testing fork of arch?
2022-09-04 20:50:35	nurotic	MrElengig: Nope, just vanilla arch 
2022-09-04 20:50:41	MrElendig	nurotic: clearly not
2022-09-04 20:50:50	Namarrgon	nurotic: did you use the full path to the file?
2022-09-04 20:51:21	nurotic	Namarrgon: Sorry, I don't understand what that means 
2022-09-04 20:51:45	leonic	 /usr/bin/pacman is a full path (starts with /).
2022-09-04 20:51:51	another|	pacman -Qo /full/path/to/file
2022-09-04 20:52:12	Namarrgon	h4rd3n3d: "flawless"
2022-09-04 20:52:15	MrElendig	nurotic: and just where are these located?
2022-09-04 20:53:19	hombrelaser	MrElendig: I've never modified the config file, and kinda wish not to, but if doing it can solve this then I can try.
2022-09-04 20:53:28	hombrelaser	Does disabling fast boot has something to do with my problem?
2022-09-04 20:53:44	MrElendig	you want fastboot to be disabled
2022-09-04 20:54:01	MrElendig	(for most use cases)
2022-09-04 20:56:41	nurotic	MrElendig: Using, "which" I found no path. I found them as processes running in background 
2022-09-04 20:57:07	MrElendig	how did you install arch?
2022-09-04 20:57:45	nurotic	The way it's mentioned on arch wiki
2022-09-04 20:57:54	greyltc	nurotic: `ps -aux` should print the whole path
2022-09-04 20:57:57	MrElendig	where did you get the image from?
2022-09-04 20:58:40	nurotic	The torrent magnet on arch's website 
2022-09-04 20:59:11	MrElendig	nuke the machine, download a new image, actually check the signature and reinstall
2022-09-04 20:59:36	MrElendig	or did you reuse an old /home with a load of crap in it?
2022-09-04 21:00:05	nurotic	Nope, I didn't
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2022-09-04 21:00:20	nurotic	I don't have a seperate root partition 
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2022-09-04 21:17:34	artefact	leonic: sysctl vm/dirty_bytes=$((1024*1024*16))
2022-09-04 21:17:56	jocke-l	leonic: you can use `mount -o sync` when you're mounting the usb stick. that will turn off the write buffer
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2022-09-04 21:18:11	leonic	that sets it systemwide, I only want to disable caching on my usb drive, not on my ssd's/hdd's.
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2022-09-04 21:18:23	leonic	jocke-l: I'll try that.
2022-09-04 21:18:26	coruja	bluetail: those are just some suggestions, there are many more nice pastebin sites out there
2022-09-04 21:18:31	artefact	just use dd conv=fsync and watch /proc/diskstats
2022-09-04 21:18:42	throstur	use use progress switch
2022-09-04 21:18:48	artefact	won't work while syncing
2022-09-04 21:18:51	throstur	ah
2022-09-04 21:19:24	leonic	throstur: I use status=progress already, but it just shows instant copy to 5 GB or whatever and then an emtpy line for 10 minutes.
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2022-09-04 21:21:08	jocke-l	leonic: beware though, sync might shorten the lifecycle of the usb stick
2022-09-04 21:21:37	leonic	only if you write and remove files before unmounting
2022-09-04 21:23:22	artefact	-o sync might be bad if you write small buffere. not sure how flash memory handles sub-block writes
2022-09-04 21:23:43	BrainDamage	jocke-l: by such a negligible amount it's not even worth considering
2022-09-04 21:24:18	leonic	jocke-l: mount -o sync doesn't work.
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2022-09-04 21:24:50	leonic	I mean, `mount -o sync` doesn't turn off write caching.
2022-09-04 21:25:20	BrainDamage	writing 100GB per day, on a 1k write cycles drive, 64GB large, and a write amplification factor gives me 50⋅64GByte⋅1000/(100GB/day) to year 87 year
2022-09-04 21:25:27	BrainDamage	good luck exausting writes on it
2022-09-04 21:26:02	artefact	that 50 is not where it should be
2022-09-04 21:26:03	leonic	cheap usb drives often have way lower quality flash than SSD's.
2022-09-04 21:26:16	BrainDamage	ups, yes, you're correct
2022-09-04 21:26:37	BrainDamage	ok, 1GB/day then
2022-09-04 21:26:41	another|	BrainDamage: You never bricked a cheap USB drive with small writes?
2022-09-04 21:26:48	BrainDamage	no, never
2022-09-04 21:26:56	another|	lucky you
2022-09-04 21:27:03	BrainDamage	I did fry a lot of controllers, but that's not the same
2022-09-04 21:27:11	artefact	mine usually die of physical damage, or writes become so slow (hundreds of kb/s) that i don't bother using them anymore
2022-09-04 21:28:52	susi	mine usually get lost
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2022-09-04 21:28:52	jocke-l	susi: high five
2022-09-04 21:28:52	BrainDamage	if the device doesn't enumerate, that's the controller dead, not the write cycles exausted
2022-09-04 21:28:52	⚡ 	MrElendig prefers external ssds these days
2022-09-04 21:28:52	BrainDamage	I did exaust the write cycles on exactly 1 sd card that was running on a pi 1 for ~10 years
2022-09-04 21:28:52	BrainDamage	and that was 4GB large, and no special policies whatsoever
2022-09-04 21:28:52	jocke-l	MrElendig: are there small enough such devices so that the fit in your pocket or keyring?
2022-09-04 21:28:52	BrainDamage	everything else died before exausting the cycles
2022-09-04 21:28:52	MrElendig	jocke-l: yes, depends on what you are used to
2022-09-04 21:28:54	BrainDamage	nvme drives can fit a pocket
2022-09-04 21:29:02	leonic	jocke-l: yes.
2022-09-04 21:29:05	BrainDamage	the m2 ones
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2022-09-07 11:29:55	vardo	I ran pacman -S synaptics, might do the trick, brb restart
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2022-09-07 11:37:05	vardo	Hello again. I don't have a problem anymore.
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2022-09-07 11:59:54	zan	Otherwise it reads .profile (once) when you log in. You could create .bash_profile and it should load it.
2022-09-07 12:02:50	ponies	vardo: where is your .bashrc? 
2022-09-07 12:03:22	vardo	Thanks, I created a .bash_profile file running .bashrc and it works now
2022-09-07 12:03:43	vardo	ponies: in /root
2022-09-07 12:04:04	vardo	(as I was logging as root in VT)
2022-09-07 12:06:19	⚡ 	enyc meows :O
2022-09-07 12:06:57	enyc	Is there an arch-maintanied (or other...) list of arch deriv distros ?
2022-09-07 12:08:03	susi	enyc: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch-based_distributions
2022-09-07 12:08:04	phrik	Title: Arch-based distributions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-07 12:08:51	enyc	susi: aaaah arch *based* is the keyword, thankyou =)
2022-09-07 12:09:42	Foxboron	Erus_Iluvatar: Linus used the Asahi kernel with the Fedora distro btw, not Asahi the distro
2022-09-07 12:11:54	Erus_Iluvatar	Hah, good to know, thanks :)
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2022-09-07 14:32:27	bluetail	hi
2022-09-07 14:34:44	vardo	Hi
2022-09-07 14:36:03	Murray_B	Oh, nice to read you, I already thought the channel is broken, because nobody was talking...
2022-09-07 14:37:11	bluetail	lol
2022-09-07 14:38:43	vardo	Like a canary
2022-09-07 14:40:32	vardo	Does anyone use hexchat? I cannot get support from #hexchat right now.
2022-09-07 14:41:23	vardo	I don't know if it's a bug or something else, but I cannot save user commandsm or auto replace entries
2022-09-07 14:41:25	Murray_B	vardo: I'm using it right now, but don't know it well - where's your problem?
2022-09-07 14:41:57	vardo	It saves the left column but I'm left with an empty string in the right one
2022-09-07 14:41:59	Murray_B	Oh, I didn't even know that stuff like that exists... :-)
2022-09-07 14:42:11	vardo	lol ok thanks anyway
2022-09-07 14:44:41	vardo	My REAL problem is that I would like to automate nickname id on libera when logging
2022-09-07 14:44:56	vardo	instead of messaging NickServ every time
2022-09-07 14:45:13	mpan	vardo: https://libera.chat/guides/sasl
2022-09-07 14:45:14	phrik	Title: Using SASL | Libera Chat (at libera.chat)
2022-09-07 14:45:29	vardo	Thanks for the link mpan
2022-09-07 14:45:55	vardo	Is phrik a bot? They always reply to links
2022-09-07 14:46:01	mpan	!bot
2022-09-07 14:46:02	phrik	I'm a bot! ~does the binary solo~ 00001 000011 0000111
2022-09-07 14:46:17	vardo	OK fun
2022-09-07 14:46:27	Murray_B	Okay, that was easier, I would have known that! ;-)
2022-09-07 14:46:29	kevku	does sasl send the client cert in the clear or not?
2022-09-07 14:47:35	bluetail	vardo I take it as a compliment
2022-09-07 14:47:37	mpan	kevku: SASL itself is not sending a cert. SASL is a collection of authentication mechanisms, among which Libera supports plain (user+pass) and CertFP (TLS client certificatE).
2022-09-07 14:48:00	mpan	kevku: in other words, SASL makes use of TLS already authenticating you, but it does not do that by itself.
2022-09-07 14:48:33	vardo	bluetail: what?
2022-09-07 14:48:58	Murray_B	Okay, now I have a question, I updated grub like written on the arch homepage and it looks like it choses another video driver. It is incredible slow, has a higher resolution and my typed keys are slow and/or double. I have an nvidia card and configurd the graphic with auto/keep and I have a theme. Any ideas about it?
2022-09-07 14:50:14	mpan	kevku: if you ask about if TLS sends certificates in plaintext: yes, it does.
2022-09-07 14:50:48	vardo	Murray_B: no idea here
2022-09-07 14:51:25	vardo	I need/want to reconnect to see if that works, brb
2022-09-07 14:54:01	vardo	OK, so if I used msg NickServ method I could not automatically join the channel but with SASL it worked fine. Thanks for the tip again mpan
2022-09-07 14:55:16	vardo	I don't remember nickname registration was everywhere 20 years ago
2022-09-07 14:55:54	Murray_B	Libera is 20 years old?
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2022-09-07 15:13:43	Murray_B	vardo: Hm, I guess this will also disable my theme. I'm going to play a bit with it, thank you!
2022-09-07 15:15:18	vardo	But this is nvidia proprietary driver, not nouveau
2022-09-07 15:15:44	vardo	I guess if you're using nouveau this info does not pertain to your problem
2022-09-07 15:16:48	Murray_B	You normally don't want nouveau, it's way slower if it works at all...
2022-09-07 15:18:25	vardo	OK I didn't know
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2022-09-07 16:06:12	nij_	I'm confused with how ssmpt works.. ultimately, I want to send an email from my local machine to my gmail account. Most importantly, I want to send AS my local machine, meaning that if its global IP address is 100.100.100.100, then in gmail I should see that the mail comes from the address 100.100.100.100.
2022-09-07 16:06:45	nij_	Is that possible? Or should I always send AS a well configured mail server?
2022-09-07 16:07:59	cedb	whats your MTA ?
2022-09-07 16:09:06	tatsumaru	hey guys, if I install a py package using pip, can I later use 'package-name' --version to see if it's installed or do I need to use pip for packages installed through pip?
2022-09-07 16:09:19	nij_	I don't know.. perhaps there's none. I'm expecting to send an email just with `ssmtp my@gmail.com "here's some content"`..
2022-09-07 16:09:25	seniorengineer	Hi guys
2022-09-07 16:09:58	seniorengineer	So the issue with the bootloade
2022-09-07 16:10:24	bea	do you see something else in the headers in gmail?
2022-09-07 16:11:01	seniorengineer	With the bootloader is that again don't know which module is missing
2022-09-07 16:11:25	Scimmia	tatsumaru: you're assuming 'package-name' has an executable with that name? Bad assumption
2022-09-07 16:11:40	seniorengineer	Insmod what?
2022-09-07 16:12:04	glitsj16	tatsumaru: you're pretty much locked into pip in that context
2022-09-07 16:12:40	cedb	yup theres no guarantee that a package provides a cli that gives the "right version"
2022-09-07 16:12:58	cedb	provides /an exec/ with a cli ...
2022-09-07 16:13:26	tatsumaru	do only executables have versions? don't libs have versions too etc?
2022-09-07 16:13:46	Scimmia	tatsumaru: but how does running 'package-name' do anything there?
2022-09-07 16:14:08	Scimmia	when there's nothing to run
2022-09-07 16:14:24	cedb	admiteddly a lib could have a simple __main__.py entry point for stuff like --help and --version but thats not something you can assume once again
2022-09-07 16:14:32	Namarrgon	seniorengineer: what is the issue?
2022-09-07 16:14:51	tatsumaru	Scimmia: well for example I am wondering if 'pip install pywebview' is equivalent to using pacman to install 'python-pywebview'? 
2022-09-07 16:15:11	seniorengineer	Can't boot getting into cli
2022-09-07 16:15:32	Namarrgon	seniorengineer: what happened that lead to this situation? which bootloader? what error?
2022-09-07 16:15:43	seniorengineer	However don't know what to add in cli mod before switch to normal boot mode
2022-09-07 16:15:46	cedb	tatsumaru: usually no, pip should run as user and will install in $HOME, arch packages installed through pacman will have sudo privileges so can place stuff above that
2022-09-07 16:15:59	seniorengineer	Grub 2.04 I think
2022-09-07 16:16:06	glitsj16	tatsumaru: there are plenty of packaged python examples in the repo's and in AUR, why not try a PKGBUILD and make package management a breeze?
2022-09-07 16:16:15	seniorengineer	It's just update of grub 
2022-09-07 16:16:23	Namarrgon	how did you update grub?
2022-09-07 16:16:44	cedb	glitsj16: theres an argument to be made for pip --user but yeah
2022-09-07 16:16:53	seniorengineer	Package manager 
2022-09-07 16:17:00	seniorengineer	Cli
2022-09-07 16:17:03	jkc	cedb: If pip can't write to the system-level package directory, it assumes --user.
2022-09-07 16:17:16	Namarrgon	seniorengineer: so just a -Syu?
2022-09-07 16:17:36	Namarrgon	seniorengineer: you didn't manually run grub-install or grub-mkconfig?
2022-09-07 16:17:36	seniorengineer	No can't boot into Linux now
2022-09-07 16:17:47	seniorengineer	Yes that iso how I updated 
2022-09-07 16:17:50	seniorengineer	Is
2022-09-07 16:17:58	cedb	jkc: yes still better to do it explicitly, you never know (setuid script or some shit), having said that im lazy i dont personally write it out explicitly
2022-09-07 16:18:01	Namarrgon	seniorengineer: what did you run exactly?
2022-09-07 16:18:04	seniorengineer	Now I am in grub rescue mode
2022-09-07 16:18:36	tatsumaru	cedb: I see, but are both commands installing the same package only with different privileges and settings or are these ultimately different packages?
2022-09-07 16:18:41	seniorengineer	My setup is complex one vgroup that spans 
2022-09-07 16:18:52	seniorengineer	Also crypted disks
2022-09-07 16:19:06	Namarrgon	seniorengineer: what did you run exactly?
2022-09-07 16:19:08	seniorengineer	So I use systemd hooks in initrd
2022-09-07 16:19:13	tatsumaru	glitsj16: can you elaborate?
2022-09-07 16:19:27	seniorengineer	On what you mean with exactly 
2022-09-07 16:19:31	jkc	cedb: If you're dropping a setuid script on your system that's running pip, you have massive problems.
2022-09-07 16:19:43	Namarrgon	seniorengineer: the command that you ran to update grub
2022-09-07 16:19:45	seniorengineer	Just was doing update of arch
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2022-09-07 16:37:18	Scimmia	well Namarrgon, you got more info from them than anyone else that's tried so far
2022-09-07 16:37:41	Namarrgon	and i'm still confused!
2022-09-07 16:42:08	seniorengineer	Can't run anything except grub rescue mode commands 
2022-09-07 16:42:57	Namarrgon	boot the iso, the only thing that you can really fix form the grub prompt is a borked config
2022-09-07 16:43:22	seniorengineer	Ok
2022-09-07 16:43:46	seniorengineer	Iso is bugging also stuck at rootfs
2022-09-07 16:44:14	seniorengineer	What I need to run before switch root
2022-09-07 16:44:17	seniorengineer	On the iso
2022-09-07 16:47:29	seniorengineer	https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZVFda9CDNGsbKNh7
2022-09-07 16:47:45	seniorengineer	So the prefix on iso is?
2022-09-07 16:47:54	seniorengineer	Arch arch/boot
2022-09-07 16:47:58	seniorengineer	Or something else 
2022-09-07 16:48:22	Namarrgon	how did you write the iso to whatever you're booting it from?
2022-09-07 16:48:43	seniorengineer	dd from windows machine 
2022-09-07 16:50:51	Namarrgon	what was the original error that dropped you to the shell?
2022-09-07 16:51:02	seniorengineer	https://photos.app.goo.gl/iSsTkiqCYRmVVcdq9
2022-09-07 16:51:30	seniorengineer	Nothing that is what loads
2022-09-07 16:51:38	seniorengineer	Not full bootloader
2022-09-07 16:51:46	Namarrgon	i'm running out of time, sorry, someone else will have to pick it up from here
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2022-09-07 18:06:18	cedb	use doas
2022-09-07 18:06:20	cedb	problem solved
2022-09-07 18:10:44	alad	!#archlinux2
2022-09-07 18:10:45	phrik	Having issues with software X? Just use software Y instead and be a happier person! You won't regret it.
2022-09-07 18:13:06	keir	doas would probably experience the same behaviour
2022-09-07 18:14:30	cedb	well the config is saner and you usally just do oneline for your own user first so you dont have to do the groupadd and relogin thing
2022-09-07 18:14:45	cedb	relogging in a big X session is a pain
2022-09-07 18:16:16	Scimmia	you can add your own user with sudo, too, they chose to use the group
2022-09-07 18:16:29	keir	you don't have to with sudo either. it's one of the choices the programme offers. doas also offers group based permissons.
2022-09-07 18:16:38	keir	s/permissons/permissions/
2022-09-07 18:16:52	cedb	why are you attacking me when im clearly wrong!
2022-09-07 18:17:25	BrainDamage	!grab cedb
2022-09-07 18:17:26	phrik	BrainDamage: Tada!
2022-09-07 18:17:49	cedb	gdmnit
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2022-09-07 18:40:24	@EMIYA	Repentinus: community/wordpress 6.0.2-1 (Blog tool and publishing platform)
2022-09-07 18:40:32	citazen	i get a popup when i try to download plugins, wordpress wants ftp credentials
2022-09-07 18:40:37	citazen	im on an ionion site
2022-09-07 18:40:51	jkc	Then unfuck your Apache config.
2022-09-07 18:41:06	jkc	Because getting that error means that you didn't configure Apache correctly according to wordpress' docs.
2022-09-07 18:41:24	cedb	i just updated everything including grub, didnt do grub-install or grub-mkconfig and rebooted with no problem
2022-09-07 18:41:56	citazen	configure apache per wordpress docs, thanks will take a look into this
2022-09-07 18:42:05	Scimmia	The_ManU_212: not what I asked for, but I do notice you're using a theme. Try getting rid of that
2022-09-07 18:42:17	jkc	citazen: if you didn't follow wordpress docs, how tf did you configure it to begin with?
2022-09-07 18:42:48	citazen	whats to know.. db.user.pass
2022-09-07 18:42:56	citazen	wp is installed and running
2022-09-07 18:43:11	citazen	just cant download install plugins anymore
2022-09-07 18:43:12	jkc	Also known as "broken from the beginning."
2022-09-07 18:43:20	citazen	it was working
2022-09-07 18:43:30	citazen	but no i had to remove and install nginx
2022-09-07 18:43:46	jkc	We're apparently being extremely generous with the word "working" today.
2022-09-07 18:44:01	Psi-Jack	Also be careful because wordpress is the most targetted web application platform out there for remote exploitation.
2022-09-07 18:44:05	jkc	citazen: Read the docs, follow.
2022-09-07 18:44:10	jkc	Psi-Jack: Also that, yes.
2022-09-07 18:44:17	citazen	no all of the wp was working great till i remoed apache and started nginx
2022-09-07 18:44:29	Psi-Jack	If you are incapable of undertsanding this and keeping it secure, I recommend not doing so and paying wordpress.com to do so for you.
2022-09-07 18:44:35	jkc	citazen: What Psi-Jack said is ALSO why your installation is shit.
2022-09-07 18:44:40	citazen	so i removed nginx and re installed apache and now ftp is broken :(
2022-09-07 18:44:47	jkc	Apache has nothing to do with ftp.
2022-09-07 18:44:51	citazen	my installation is great
2022-09-07 18:44:56	Psi-Jack	Obvioulsy, no.
2022-09-07 18:44:57	jkc	No, it isn't.
2022-09-07 18:45:07	citazen	oh yes it is
2022-09-07 18:45:07	Repentinus	Restore your confs from .pacsaves
2022-09-07 18:45:11	citazen	ftp sucks
2022-09-07 18:45:17	Psi-Jack	For one, if you're doing ftp AT ALL, you're doing it wrong (tm)(c)
2022-09-07 18:45:37	citazen	wordpess wants ftp acess, if you know another please tell
2022-09-07 18:45:49	Psi-Jack	citazen: Manual installation.
2022-09-07 18:45:52	citazen	i did
2022-09-07 18:45:54	jkc	citazen: Your installation sucks. Your technical capabilities suck. Your listening skills suck. These happen to be related.
2022-09-07 18:46:00	citazen	u suck
2022-09-07 18:46:03	Psi-Jack	citazen: Of any and all plugins, manuall, NO FTP.
2022-09-07 18:46:04	Psi-Jack	And fuck you.
2022-09-07 18:46:06	citazen	my install runs great
2022-09-07 18:46:20	Psi-Jack	Do not be a jerk and get all insulting just because you're being corrected, seriously.
2022-09-07 18:46:31	cedb	The_ManU_212: the archxion theme looks old af, all i can find is gh and aur links that havent been updated in over 7 years...
2022-09-07 18:46:35	citazen	im not insulting
2022-09-07 18:46:43	Psi-Jack	citazen: "u suck" is not insulting?
2022-09-07 18:46:46	citazen	actually you seem to be insulting me left and right
2022-09-07 18:46:48	citazen	take care
2022-09-07 18:46:51	citazen	comms closed
2022-09-07 18:46:53	The_ManU_212	Scimmia: https://bpa.st/FASA
2022-09-07 18:46:54	phrik	Title: View paste FASA (at bpa.st)
2022-09-07 18:47:02	Psi-Jack	heh
2022-09-07 18:47:16	citazen	not us psi
2022-09-07 18:47:17	citazen	< jkc> citazen: Your installation sucks. Your technical capabilities suck. Your listening skills suck. These happen to be related.
2022-09-07 18:47:25	cedb	Psi-Jack: i mean jkc kinda went in on it
2022-09-07 18:47:26	cedb	yeah
2022-09-07 18:47:37	Psi-Jack	Yeah. well, all valid statements. 
2022-09-07 18:47:45	cedb	no
2022-09-07 18:47:52	jkc	Yes.
2022-09-07 18:47:55	citazen	hmm i run an arch install, i setup an onion with vanity name, wordpress is running but i have an issue with ftp and i suck
2022-09-07 18:47:56	The_ManU_212	Scimmia, cedbok i will get rid of the theme, seems that I did not ran grub-install the last 7 years :D, it worked at least until this morning when upgrading grub, last update i think was one month ago
2022-09-07 18:47:58	citazen	fuck you
2022-09-07 18:48:28	cedb	jkc: maybe youre right, maybe youre not, in any case that tone sure as hell sucks
2022-09-07 18:48:42	Psi-Jack	☝️ is unfortunately correct in that stance.
2022-09-07 18:48:59	Psi-Jack	I try not to attack the person, but the idea of what they're doing wrong, specifically.
2022-09-07 18:49:18	citazen	no u are attacking the person
2022-09-07 18:49:32	citazen	apology we are not all linux gurus here
2022-09-07 18:49:36	cedb	!nou
2022-09-07 18:49:36	phrik	Actually, the thing that you have just accused me of is more applicable to yourself.
2022-09-07 18:49:45	Psi-Jack	heh
2022-09-07 18:50:21	cedb	citazen: read carefully the last few lines, youre mistinterpreting something here
2022-09-07 18:50:31	Psi-Jack	citazen: Do run a very highly targetted public-facing web application like wordpress, you seriously need more knowledge and know-how, or you WILL be attacked more directly and brutally and be used as a turret, guaranteed.
2022-09-07 18:50:38	Psi-Jack	To*
2022-09-07 18:50:59	citazen	jack i run almost 50 wordpress sites, this is the first on an onion
2022-09-07 18:51:05	citazen	it runs too
2022-09-07 18:51:14	citazen	just ftp problem with credentials
2022-09-07 18:51:24	Psi-Jack	"on an onion?"
2022-09-07 18:51:24	cedb	Psi-Jack: i mean thats valid, but can you say that most wordpresse site owners qualify to your criteria?
2022-09-07 18:51:45	Psi-Jack	cedb: No, I can't. Majority do not run them sanely.
2022-09-07 18:51:45	citazen	yes i am running wp on my onion site
2022-09-07 18:51:57	Psi-Jack	WTF is an "onion site?"
2022-09-07 18:51:59	Repentinus	Psi-Jack, Tor hidden service.
2022-09-07 18:52:02	Psi-Jack	Oh.
2022-09-07 18:52:05	citazen	ahfgseighuierwhguihsdfuiglhfsillhgiulehswugie.onion
2022-09-07 18:52:09	Psi-Jack	Tor... Nuff said. 
2022-09-07 18:52:22	Psi-Jack	End of Line 😛
2022-09-07 18:52:23	cedb	i really do hope its for drugs being tor and all
2022-09-07 18:52:25	citazen	so back to arch and vsftp
2022-09-07 18:52:33	Psi-Jack	Good luck with that.
2022-09-07 18:52:43	Psi-Jack	Like I said, if you're doing ftp at all, you're doing it wrong.
2022-09-07 18:52:50	citazen	i dont ftp
2022-09-07 18:52:55	citazen	wordpress wants ftp
2022-09-07 18:52:58	Psi-Jack	Like I said, if you're doing ftp at all, you're doing it wrong.
2022-09-07 18:53:04	The_ManU_212	brb, try to reboot without theme...
2022-09-07 18:53:04	Repentinus	…
2022-09-07 18:53:05	citazen	like i sd
2022-09-07 18:53:08	citazen	clearnet
2022-09-07 18:53:11	citazen	no problem
2022-09-07 18:53:16	citazen	opnion needs ftp
2022-09-07 18:53:33	citazen	less u know an alternative method
2022-09-07 18:53:36	⚡ 	Psi-Jack &
2022-09-07 18:53:56	cedb	im not an expert in vegetables but im pretty sure that "wordpress needing ftp" and "wordpress on onion" are not related
2022-09-07 18:54:08	citazen	would u like a screen shot
2022-09-07 18:54:28	cedb	yes
2022-09-07 18:54:32	citazen	ok hold on
2022-09-07 18:54:44	BrainDamage	ftp will likely not work on tor unless it's in passive mode
2022-09-07 18:54:48	Repentinus	A mugshot of you holding up your ID and saying I cannot get Wordpress to run on Tor without setting up an ftpd, please.
2022-09-07 18:54:57	BrainDamage	and even then, I'm skeptical
2022-09-07 18:55:11	cedb	!grab Repentinus 
2022-09-07 18:55:11	phrik	cedb: Tada!
2022-09-07 18:55:21	citazen	no ftp was working
2022-09-07 18:55:50	citazen	but i removed apache for nginx and reverted back to apache, now login crdentials not working
2022-09-07 18:55:55	citazen	hold for cap
2022-09-07 18:56:21	MrElendig	wordpress does not need ftp
2022-09-07 18:56:52	Repentinus	They seem unable to comprehend that.
2022-09-07 18:57:10	citazen	also i can connect ftp 127.0.0.1 but does not take my usr name and pass
2022-09-07 18:57:10	Repentinus	Dunno whether it's worth trying to get to the bottom of their xyproblem.
2022-09-07 18:57:32	Psi-Jack	MrElendig: Yeah, I kept saying that, but it goes in what eyeball and out the other.
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2022-09-07 19:02:09	cedb	no but its running on a garlic
2022-09-07 19:02:09	citazen	I notice a lot of down talking on noobs
2022-09-07 19:02:09	cedb	!grab citazen 
2022-09-07 19:02:09	phrik	cedb: Tada!
2022-09-07 19:02:09	citazen	MODS! NOOB BASHING
2022-09-07 19:02:09	◣	weeb (~libera@e1.nixmagic.com) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2022-09-07 19:02:09	MrElendig	citazen: noobs deserves what they get, newbies on the other hand should be nurtured
2022-09-07 19:02:09	MrElendig	citazen: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Noob
2022-09-07 19:02:09	phrik	Title: Urban Dictionary: Noob (at www.urbandictionary.com)
2022-09-07 19:02:09	cedb	you see now what jkc said actually applies, they were just a bit early on the trigger
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2022-09-07 19:02:09	◣	export (~export@user/export) ha salido (Quit: Lost terminal)
2022-09-07 19:02:09	MrElendig	citazen: noobs are those who asks for others to do their work for them, never read docs they are pointed at etc
2022-09-07 19:02:09	MrElendig	while still believe that they know better than those who are trying to help
2022-09-07 19:02:09	cedb	MrElendig: to be fair on the wordpress site ftp is the only protocol mentionned to manage content without using the web ui thingy
2022-09-07 19:02:09	cedb	"FTP is useful because you can use it even when there is a problem with your WordPress site. For example, you can use FTP to upload a plugin or theme file manually when you’re troubleshooting WordPress problems."
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2022-09-07 19:19:00	citazen	it stopped
2022-09-07 19:19:05	MrElendig	(and the whole point of vsftp is disconnecting the ftp credentials from the system accounts)
2022-09-07 19:19:20	MrElendig	nothing stops you from syncing them though
2022-09-07 19:19:26	citazen	vsftp was working with user credentials 
2022-09-07 19:19:37	citazen	syncing
2022-09-07 19:19:46	citazen	maybe take a look into that more
2022-09-07 19:19:46	MrElendig	nor reading how to enable debug mode :)
2022-09-07 19:19:47	citazen	ty
2022-09-07 19:21:12	citazen	yeah may need to set debug mode too. ty
2022-09-07 19:21:19	cyphertite	The_ManU_212:  any grub progress after removing your theme?
2022-09-07 19:37:00	Aherin	i want Arch on a watch. kill all the apple watches
2022-09-07 19:38:40	swodig	Aherin you can probably have arch on pipetime
2022-09-07 19:38:52	keir	you may as well get a Casio at that rate
2022-09-07 19:39:22	swodig	can you install arch on it though?
2022-09-07 19:40:25	keir	i don't see why you'd need arch on a watch
2022-09-07 19:40:27	The_ManU_212	cyphertite: no, only found out that grub is there and working but the screen is black
2022-09-07 19:40:34	Namarrgon	velcro some old thinkpad to your wrist, you'll have everyone's attention
2022-09-07 19:40:35	lmat	How do I adjust my routing table so that packets to a particular IP address go through one network interface and all other packets through another?
2022-09-07 19:40:37	The_ManU_212	i also removed the resolution part
2022-09-07 19:40:52	gehidore	keir to tell everyone "I use arch on my watch btw"
2022-09-07 19:40:54	The_ManU_212	for years it just worked, but sicne today not:
2022-09-07 19:41:26	Aherin	"because i can" would be good enough for me :)
2022-09-07 19:41:40	Aherin	and yes, also to tell everyone i use arch btw
2022-09-07 19:41:49	Namarrgon	lmat: did you write any *tables rules previously?
2022-09-07 19:41:50	The_ManU_212	cyphertite: [2022-09-07T08:24:30+0200] [ALPM] upgraded grub (2:2.06.r322.gd9b4638c5-1 -> 2:2.06.r322.gd9b4638c5-4)
2022-09-07 19:41:57	Aherin	but ofcourse i do that already
2022-09-07 19:42:17	lmat	Namarrgon: I don't think so.
2022-09-07 19:42:26	demize	Namarrgon: Pft, just get an IBM WatchPad.
2022-09-07 19:47:54	The_ManU_212	brb
2022-09-07 19:48:42	lmat	Namarrgon sorry, I'm remote from my irssi session (using irssi over SSH). Meaning to do so on my laptop, I accidentally did  sudo ip link set en... down; on my REMOTE machine. :facepalm:
2022-09-07 19:49:21	Namarrgon	lmat: np, i think i initially misunderstood the question but you can just add a route via the 'ip' tool, something like "ip route add 10.0.0.20/32 dev enpXYZ"
2022-09-07 19:49:25	lmat	So I had to wait for that connection to time out with IRC servers so I could connect from the web client (sic). Did you say anything to me after asking if I had added any ip routes?
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2022-09-07 20:01:59	lmat	Namarrgon nice
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2022-09-07 20:02:00	Namarrgon	demize: that's probably even more expensive than an apple watch now
2022-09-07 20:02:00	lmat	Namarrgon What does "dev" mean in that command?
2022-09-07 20:02:00	lmat	Namarrgon Oh, nevermind!
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2022-09-07 20:02:00	The_ManU_212	re, ok it seems, that the resolution will change to grub parameter after selecting the entry  but the menu is black
2022-09-07 20:02:00	cyphertite	The_ManU_212:  I also have xxx...c5-4 here, so that is not the issue
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2022-09-07 20:02:00	The_ManU_212	cyphertite: i changed the resolution to 640x480 an the font was bigger and blurred until systemd started booting, i have no idea what could cause the issue, i think it has to do with grub-install, this command i never ran for years i think, mkconfig, more often
2022-09-07 20:02:00	The_ManU_212	so perhaps over the years something fundamental changed?!
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2022-09-07 20:02:00	The_ManU_212	cyphertite: i try booting grub in text mode /console, brb
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2022-09-07 20:02:00	citazen	oh think i got something now
2022-09-07 20:02:00	citazen	Passed Your installation of WordPress does not require FTP credentials to perform updates.
2022-09-07 20:02:00	citazen	:)
2022-09-07 20:02:00	citazen	found a way to bypass the WP FTP request https://wordpress.org/support/topic/update-plugins-ftp-requires-sftp-over-ssh/
2022-09-07 20:02:00	phrik	Title: Update Plugins FTP (requires SFTP over SSH) | WordPress.org (at wordpress.org)
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2022-09-07 20:02:00	cyphertite	The-Compiler:  hmmh...not sure what may have changed on your end.  I run the latest grub on both of my laptops.  One is 1366x768 and the other is a 4K HiDPI touchscreen display.  My initial passphrase entry screen (immediately following boot) on both looks normal (and in focus) on both laptops
2022-09-07 20:02:00	citazen	seen a vid of lady in gym stuck inverted on one of the machines, she called 911 using her watch
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2022-09-07 21:32:29	seniorengineer	Again error
2022-09-07 21:32:49	seniorengineer	Decryption of key
2022-09-07 21:32:55	greyltc	Is there a way to invert display colors under gnome on wayland?
2022-09-07 21:32:59	seniorengineer	In bootloader 
2022-09-07 21:34:03	another|	of
2022-09-07 21:37:45	kode54	sorry for poking the wiki above
2022-09-07 21:37:59	kode54	if I want to add suggestions for Wayland, I do have edit permissions
2022-09-07 21:38:18	kode54	but I'd rather add a discussion on the wiki first in case anyone else knows more useful tips
2022-09-07 21:38:32	kode54	(I know that doesn't mean whine on IRC like I did)
2022-09-07 21:46:12	mcoffin	Hey, I've noticed that sound over DP/HDMI (amdgpu) stopped working for me in the 6.0-rcX kernels. lspci shows that the `snd_hda_intel` modules *is* in use for the correct device, but alsa enver loads the snd_hda_intel module. There's a *very* likely relevant error in dmesg as well. I'd like to help take care of it, but I'm unsure whether this is likely an amdgpu problem? Or instead one with 
2022-09-07 21:46:19	mcoffin	snd_hda_intel? 
2022-09-07 21:46:45	mcoffin	Here's good+bad logs for both alsa-info.sh and the relevant dmesg sections (dmesg at the bottom, there's 4 files in the gist) - https://gist.github.com/mcoffin/fca447338613db89c90ef5e1788342a4
2022-09-07 21:47:17	mcoffin	Just need a pointer on which of amdgpu/snd_hda_intel I should be chasing down as a likely candidate for the regression
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2022-09-07 21:55:33	Namarrgon	does it still work with the linux kernel?
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2022-09-07 21:55:33	artefact	try blacklisting one, then the other
2022-09-07 21:55:33	artefact	wait, never mind, that makes it impossible to test
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2022-09-07 21:55:33	mcoffin	Yea haha. I'm just useless when it comes to audio internals in the kernel, so I don't *really* know which mailing list would like to know about the regression haha
2022-09-07 21:55:33	mcoffin	Namarrgon: Yes, on 5.19.7 (current for repos) it works fine
2022-09-07 21:55:33	mcoffin	on 6.0-rc4, I get those errors (scroll to the very bottom for the good/bad dmesg logs)
2022-09-07 21:55:33	⚡ 	mcoffin should have put dmesg at the top, but oh well
2022-09-07 21:55:33	artefact	sounds like a good situation for bisect
2022-09-07 21:55:33	Namarrgon	check the kernel bugtracker for similar reports
2022-09-07 21:55:33	Warepire	mcoffin: kernel bugtracker or alsa-devel for actual regressions in the kernel. If you can provide a full bisect it's much easier on the developers.
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2022-09-07 22:18:04	witcher	does anyone know whether syslinux supports LUKS2 with Argon2 (the standard settings when encrypting a partition with cryptsetup), or if there's a bootloader other than systemd-boot that supports that?
2022-09-07 22:19:26	artefact	what's the use case? you can put bzimage/initramfs on ESP
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2022-09-07 22:20:26	witcher	the use case is just booting a LUKS2 encrypted system with a differnet bootloader than systemd-boot without nuking the partition to encrypt with LUKS1
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2022-09-07 22:37:36	pakettiale	anybody have experience with sway and alder lake laptops? my keyboard stops working from time to time. like after about 2 days of uptime all keyboards, usb and internal, just stop working and i have to force reboot by power button
2022-09-07 22:38:50	artefact	is it only keyboards or all usb peripherals?
2022-09-07 22:39:27	MrElendig	pakettiale: ssh in and read logs etc when it happens
2022-09-07 22:39:52	pakettiale	good idea to use ssh
2022-09-07 22:39:54	artefact	or open an on-screen keyboard with the mouse
2022-09-07 22:44:11	pakettiale	trackpad works ok so i think the issue is not with usb
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2022-09-07 23:18:41	topcat001	jensen: Is your dbus service running?
2022-09-07 23:19:21	topcat001	hmm pipewire would use the system dbus service I think?
2022-09-07 23:19:36	BrainDamage	no, the user's
2022-09-07 23:20:02	MrElendig	I would reboot (and not build in /tmp)
2022-09-07 23:20:21	setpill	I'm trying to install swaync using pacaur, but it's telling me there are unresolvable package conflicts. Is there a way to show some more indepth information?
2022-09-07 23:20:31	topcat001	right is the user dbus running? :)
2022-09-07 23:20:43	MrElendig	setpill: pacaur should tell you what is going on
2022-09-07 23:20:44	Namarrgon	setpill: what is the exact output?
2022-09-07 23:20:49	setpill	!paste
2022-09-07 23:20:49	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-09-07 23:21:01	MrElendig	if not, use a better aur helper, or even better, makepkg
2022-09-07 23:21:02	topcat001	MrElendig: agreed. I'm just curious if recovery is possible.
2022-09-07 23:21:37	setpill	MrElendig: Namarrgon https://bpa.st/UVQA
2022-09-07 23:21:38	phrik	Title: View paste UVQA (at bpa.st)
2022-09-07 23:22:01	MrElendig	probably says more than just that
2022-09-07 23:22:07	setpill	I'm afraid not :/
2022-09-07 23:22:19	setpill	That's literally all the output of `pacaur -S swaync`
2022-09-07 23:22:24	MrElendig	see my comment then
2022-09-07 23:22:29	Namarrgon	fall back to makepkg then
2022-09-07 23:22:31	setpill	Any suggestion for a better helper?
2022-09-07 23:22:45	MrElendig	start with makepkg
2022-09-07 23:23:25	topcat001	jensen: pipewire runs as a user service so it would be the user dbus. Probably it got killed.
2022-09-07 23:24:36	MrElendig	running out of space in /tmp can cause garbaged data for things which uses it
2022-09-07 23:24:58	topcat001	reboot is very strongly recommended ASAP
2022-09-07 23:25:43	topcat001	If you have to use a RAMDisk then make (a smaller) one.
2022-09-07 23:26:36	topcat001	Not justifying the approach but say for some reason they want to :)
2022-09-07 23:28:49	setpill	Well makepkg didn't encounter any errors aside from missing deps which were trivially installed manually
2022-09-07 23:29:03	setpill	I'm confused 
2022-09-07 23:29:07	Namarrgon	deps from the AUR?
2022-09-07 23:29:11	setpill	No
2022-09-07 23:29:57	setpill	vala, meson, gobject-introspection and scdoc
2022-09-07 23:36:20	Namarrgon	did that replace any already installed packages?
2022-09-07 23:38:08	bluetail	sometimes aur helpers fail and you have to git clone in a folder manually
2022-09-07 23:42:10	setpill	Namarrgon: the only lines in /var/log/pacman.log between "transaction started" and "transaction completed" are of the form "installed [package]"... So, I guess that means no
2022-09-07 23:42:38	setpill	bluetail: seems so... Never had pacaur fail this way on me before
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2022-09-08 00:08:13	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1429 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1428 normals)
2022-09-08 00:03:56	kevr	if it's an aur package that has a problem building, you should report it on the aur package's page
2022-09-08 00:03:59	kevr	which aur package is this?
2022-09-08 00:04:11	bluetail	uhm
2022-09-08 00:04:17	Psi-Jack	Wonder if it's obs-studio-git heh
2022-09-08 00:04:53	bluetail	obs-studio-git is highly outta date
2022-09-08 00:04:58	setpill	kevr: I wouldn't recommend that, they aren't using arch or even x86_64 so this will just confuse the aur package maintainer
2022-09-08 00:05:08	bluetail	and obs-studio-git failed for the most part
2022-09-08 00:05:14	bluetail	its actually https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/obs-studio-amf
2022-09-08 00:05:28	bluetail	this one is up to date and its rust dependencies arent broken (laqote)
2022-09-08 00:05:32	kevr	it was flagged out of date last month
2022-09-08 00:05:35	kevr	and the maintainer hasn't updated it
2022-09-08 00:05:59	kevr	you can file for orphan if the maintainer takes too long
2022-09-08 00:06:01	bluetail	so for aarch64 you need aarch64 flags in the PKGBUILD for instance
2022-09-08 00:06:08	bluetail	I see
2022-09-08 00:06:15	topcat001	someone is installing packages without pacman?
2022-09-08 00:06:17	kevr	we dont support aarch64
2022-09-08 00:06:22	kevr	you're doing some custom stuff
2022-09-08 00:06:26	bluetail	many packages are already having aarch64 support
2022-09-08 00:06:31	kevr	that's totally up to you as the user, but it's not our problem
2022-09-08 00:06:33	bluetail	its supported but not by every user
2022-09-08 00:06:39	kevr	indeed
2022-09-08 00:06:46	kevr	its not supported by us, however
2022-09-08 00:06:48	kevr	in #archlinux
2022-09-08 00:06:51	Psi-Jack	bluetail: ☝️ 
2022-09-08 00:06:53	bluetail	lol elitism
2022-09-08 00:06:55	Psi-Jack	As I said earlier.
2022-09-08 00:06:59	kevr	because arch linux doesn't have aarch64 packages or parts to it
2022-09-08 00:07:01	kevr	it's not elitism
2022-09-08 00:07:06	topcat001	how is it elitism
2022-09-08 00:07:28	kevr	however, you do seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about how aur helpers work
2022-09-08 00:07:34	kevr	so, let's work that out
2022-09-08 00:08:02	kevr	aur helpers fetch packages from the AUR (aur.archlinux.org). some of them build them automatically for you, which eventually runs makepkg on those fetched AUR packages
2022-09-08 00:08:11	bluetail	cause its not linux for everybody, just linux for who is having the devices officially supported, as written in the holy archwiki, which is written in  a way that you only understand it if you know anyways and just want to check the newest resource. But the wiki is not for understanding
2022-09-08 00:08:16	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-09-08 00:08:16	kevr	if the PKGBUILD that was fetched is failing to build, that isn't a bug on the aur helper
2022-09-08 00:08:20	kevr	it's a bug in the PKGBUILD that's being used
2022-09-08 00:08:33	kevr	for your use-case, at least
2022-09-08 00:08:52	bluetail	Yea I do that
2022-09-08 00:09:38	kevr	now that you know how that works, you can go ahead and look at the wiki's PKGBUILD page to completely understand how that thing works
2022-09-08 00:09:38	kevr	and experiment with makepkg
2022-09-08 00:09:38	kevr	then you can resolve your issue
2022-09-08 00:09:38	kevr	!next
2022-09-08 00:09:38	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-09-08 00:09:41	setpill	bluetail: it's not elitism to say "here's what we support, if you go outside of that, cool, but don't expect things to work as easily"
2022-09-08 00:09:55	bluetail	setpill no thats not what I meant
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2022-09-08 00:29:18	lolok	if you cant make simple edits to a pkgbuild, you shouldnt use the aur, thats my hot take today
2022-09-08 00:30:14	bluetail	lolok I can, to whom was this targeted?
2022-09-08 00:31:39	lolok	hmmm manjaro users i suppose? it wasnt a targeted attack, it was a hot take
2022-09-08 00:34:12	dakd2	I did pacman -Syu on the computer, rebooted now I seem to get the same speed
2022-09-08 00:34:16	bluetail	ic
2022-09-08 00:34:28	dakd2	it had not been updated like since a month
2022-09-08 00:35:05	lolok	did you expect an update to make your pc faster? that happens sometimes, but not often...
2022-09-08 00:35:42	dakd2	the network speed
2022-09-08 00:35:58	BrainDamage	MacGyver: adopt the package, fix it, then orphan, it's a common strategy
2022-09-08 00:36:07	MacGyver	BrainDamage: Is that acceptable practice?
2022-09-08 00:36:08	dakd2	I think it was on the 5.18 kernel before the update
2022-09-08 00:36:21	MacGyver	BrainDamage: If it's not orphaned yet.
2022-09-08 00:36:40	BrainDamage	oh, in that case, it's a bit more of a hassle
2022-09-08 00:36:42	lolok	dakd2 what about network speed? you have a slow mirror? or there is some problem?
2022-09-08 00:36:53	BrainDamage	if the maintainer's dead, i'd say so
2022-09-08 00:37:06	namename	hi guys. can i set up bcache on my raid /dev/md0 ? and im confused, when installing arch. do i set it up(bcache) while in live environment or while chrooted?
2022-09-08 00:37:12	BrainDamage	better a orphaned working package than a unmaintained nonworking one
2022-09-08 00:37:24	BrainDamage	they could always adopt it back if they wish so
2022-09-08 00:37:34	bluetail	you could copy the mirrorlist of your country and run a script to rank which one of the links u put in is fastest
2022-09-08 00:37:38	bluetail	it then saves the top5
2022-09-08 00:37:55	dakd2	I was testing a bunch of leftover network cables using speedtest lol
2022-09-08 00:38:03	bluetail	was it reflector
2022-09-08 00:38:04	bluetail	I forgto
2022-09-08 00:38:11	dakd2	and with different computers
2022-09-08 00:39:10	bluetail	dakd2 short=good... not always cause crosstalk
2022-09-08 00:39:11	bluetail	https://de.aliexpress.com/item/32821811630.html?s
2022-09-08 00:39:12	phrik	Title: 10cm 30cm 50cm CAT5e Ethernet UTP Netzwerk Männlichen Zu Männlichen Kabel Gigabit Patchkabel RJ45 Twisted Pair gigE Lan Kurze Kabel 1m 2m 30m| | - AliExpress (at de.aliexpress.com)
2022-09-08 00:39:19	lolok	namename normally you setup your partitions before you chroot, i never used bcache before, but i cant think of a reason why the process whould be different
2022-09-08 00:40:00	namename	i think ur right. thanks lolok!
2022-09-08 00:40:11	lolok	np
2022-09-08 00:40:44	bluetail	whats up with having always the latest kernel? Is this providing any measurable benefits?
2022-09-08 00:41:19	BrainDamage	statistically less security vulnerabilities
2022-09-08 00:41:22	bluetail	ic
2022-09-08 00:41:26	bluetail	what bout the mainline kernel
2022-09-08 00:41:32	lolok	over lts or over a kernel that you just didnt upgrade for a while?
2022-09-08 00:41:43	bluetail	lts
2022-09-08 00:42:16	bluetail	I mean technically mainline is newer, but is it faster? 
2022-09-08 00:42:47	bluetail	probably not, but more security fixes... right?
2022-09-08 00:42:48	bluetail	https://kernel.org/
2022-09-08 00:42:50	phrik	Title: The Linux Kernel Archives (at kernel.org)
2022-09-08 00:43:00	lolok	faster than stable? slmost surely not, faster than lst maybe but also almost surely not
2022-09-08 00:43:21	lolok	performance improvements from upgrades are very rare
2022-09-08 00:43:34	bluetail	from 5.15 to 5.17 there was one I felt
2022-09-08 00:43:55	lolok	in fact in recent history youre more likely to have a downgrade in performance due to bug fixes for cpu hardware problems
2022-09-08 00:44:28	lolok	but they will propigate to lts too
2022-09-08 00:44:31	bluetail	I currently use linux-zen but I didnt feel any faster for gaming. I wonder if its a sensible kernel. I know it does poll faster or so
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2022-09-08 01:38:56	ashdemai	Does Arch support the new Lenovo X1 Extreme Gen 5?
2022-09-08 01:39:44	Namarrgon	ashdemai: it should work in general but all new hardware has some hiccups. is there a page for it on the wiki?
2022-09-08 01:40:19	ashdemai	Namarrgon: no
2022-09-08 01:41:28	ashdemai	I installed it, and when I tried to boot into the fresh install it froze on dmesg in the middle. I have no idea what error I reached.
2022-09-08 01:50:32	Aurei	Hi All! Just wanted to create an encrypted system so i can work with and do a dual boot with windows, so i can isolate them correctly. Which would be the best way? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system
2022-09-08 01:50:34	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Encrypting an entire system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-08 01:56:16	Scimmia	encrypting the system has nothing to do with isolating it from Windows. If that's the goal, forget encryption
2022-09-08 01:57:42	Aurei	My bad! But i still require to encrypt the linux system
2022-09-08 01:58:27	bluetail	Aurei why
2022-09-08 01:58:41	bluetail	Do you use your machine in a public space?
2022-09-08 01:58:42	Aurei	to store work related stuff
2022-09-08 01:58:47	bluetail	oh makes sense
2022-09-08 01:59:00	bluetail	I actually only encrypt data nobody should know of other than me
2022-09-08 01:59:14	bluetail	But in business context, everything requires encryption
2022-09-08 01:59:25	bluetail	we use bitlocker ... cause MS is a requirement
2022-09-08 01:59:31	bluetail	and opensuse is the alternative
2022-09-08 01:59:40	bluetail	probably has LUKS too
2022-09-08 01:59:55	Scimmia	storing work stuff, that can be as simple as encrypting a home partition
2022-09-08 01:59:56	Aurei	that's right! I always used Linux but without encryption, i used to use bitlocker or Checkpoint on MS
2022-09-08 02:00:04	namename	hi guys, im installing arch and setting up bcache. now am chrooted in, but when following the bcache wiki, i try: echo /dev/sdb3 > /sys/fs/bcache/register  ->this is what i get bash: /sys/fs/bcache/register: REad-only file system. anyone has an ide?
2022-09-08 02:00:33	Aurei	but first time i'm trying to here
2022-09-08 02:05:03	Repentinus	Aurei, your initial question is meaningless. The alternatives are documented on that wiki page because they have both strengths and drawbacks.
2022-09-08 02:05:51	Aurei	Yeah, i'll end up encrypting the home partition, thanks anyway
2022-09-08 02:06:22	Repentinus	Note that sensitive data is written elsewhere too, especially swap if you use hibernation.
2022-09-08 02:08:37	Repentinus	If it is a single user system with a single disk, I would advise an unencrypted boot partition + LVM on LUKS.
2022-09-08 02:09:21	MacGyver	I'd go the other way around.
2022-09-08 02:09:23	MacGyver	LUKS on LVM.
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2022-09-08 02:09:49	MacGyver	The flexibility of selectively locking / unlocking volumes can turn out rather valuable.
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2022-09-08 03:49:56	Namarrgon	some subset of LUKS2 is supported and grub-install fails to build a working payload, apart from that it is "supported", yes
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2022-09-08 05:42:34	ponies	Psi-Jack: $ resolvectl should read +mDNS
2022-09-08 05:43:18	Psi-Jack	Mine does as I enabled it all specifically.
2022-09-08 05:43:36	Psi-Jack	But, mdns-scan doesn't show services like avahi-daemon did, like ssh.
2022-09-08 05:47:49	ponies	Psi-Jack: what network manager did you use when adding mdns configuration?
2022-09-08 05:48:55	Psi-Jack	NetworkManager, with connection.mdns set to yes
2022-09-08 05:49:47	Psi-Jack	Rather, 2 in the NetworkManager/conf.d/mdns.conf 🙂
2022-09-08 05:49:48	ponies	'yes'? it should be 2
2022-09-08 05:51:10	Psi-Jack	Correct, as I just said. 🙂
2022-09-08 05:53:22	predicament	hm..
2022-09-08 05:53:32	predicament	i dont think he understands
2022-09-08 05:54:03	predicament	or he just seems liek it.  dont really know.
2022-09-08 05:54:19	Psi-Jack	When I used nmcli, I set it to yes, when I configured it permanently, in the /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/mdns.conf, I set it to 2.
2022-09-08 05:58:01	ponies	Psi-Jack: $ resolvectl mdns  should list your interface
2022-09-08 05:58:27	ponies	and if it does, make sure also its not being blocked by a firewall. you should be good 
2022-09-08 05:58:32	Psi-Jack	It does indeed. 🙂
2022-09-08 05:58:50	Psi-Jack	No firewall, also good, but still no ssh service showing up on an mdns-scan from another system.
2022-09-08 06:00:04	Psi-Jack	I'm thinking that systemd-resolved itself lacks this feature as of yet, and so avahi-daemon is still required for this functionality.
2022-09-08 06:00:35	Psi-Jack	Just noticed Fedora 36 still uses avahi, despite using systemd-resolved for all other dns (LLMNR even enabled but mDNS not)
2022-09-08 06:10:22	ponies	oh 2 == yes in network manager. i dont use it 
2022-09-08 06:15:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-09-08 06:34:27	Psi-Jack	Yeah. I'm thinking it's not yet ready for prime time, for mDNS specifically, but it's getting there.
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2022-09-08 06:50:35	UndeadLeech	Is it possible that the steam beta client is currently broken on Linux? I was just trying to run it for the first time in a little over a month and had to delete the beta opt-in file to start Steam.
2022-09-08 06:50:57	Psi-Jack	i mean, it's beta, so.. obviously yes.
2022-09-08 06:51:10	UndeadLeech	I'm mostly curious if others have run into this issue too.
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2022-09-08 07:25:32	lolok	in the past 3 years, ive only had 1 problem with steam, which was fixed [ironically] by using the native runtime, but it was a mistake by valve, they fixed it in less than a week iirc
2022-09-08 07:25:47	pounce	hello! having a bit of a hard time enabling geoclue, any pointers?
2022-09-08 07:26:14	pounce	it complains about "org.freedesktop.ModemManager1" not existing, and '/usr/lib/geoclue-2.0/demos/where-am-i' just times out
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2022-09-08 07:29:40	EdLin	I'm connecting via wifi, in the archlinux iso I manage to do it fine using iwctl. In my installation, I can't do it, ping isn't working.
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2022-09-08 07:31:50	EdLin	hello?
2022-09-08 07:31:57	UndeadLeech	Hi.
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2022-09-08 07:32:17	EdLin	did you read my question?
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2022-09-08 07:32:24	UndeadLeech	No.
2022-09-08 07:32:29	EdLin	I'm connecting via wifi, in the archlinux iso I manage to do it fine using iwctl. In my installation, I can't do it, ping isn't working.
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2022-09-08 07:34:03	braskx	oh, I think I had a problem like that when I first setup arch but that was mainly because I didn't have networkmanager
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2022-09-08 07:34:36	UndeadLeech	Might also have to start dhcpcd, I don't remember but that might be enabled in the live image while not being after install.
2022-09-08 07:35:13	braskx	I think either or works tbh
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2022-09-08 07:59:18	vmonteco	Hello! I'm trying to understand how to set up a scanner with a "scan to SFTP" feature. Yet, in the form I have to fill I have to provide a "server public key" (cf. #12 https://support.brother.com/g/b/faqend.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=ads1700w_all&faqid=faq00100446_501), what could it be ? Where could I find it ? I already provided the private/private keys pair in #11 and I thought that SFTP (vsftpd
2022-09-08 07:59:18	vmonteco	for 
2022-09-08 07:59:19	phrik	Title: Set up a Scan to SFTP Profile | Brother (at support.brother.com)
2022-09-08 07:59:24	vmonteco	me) has no public key.
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2022-09-08 08:00:55	seniorengineer	Hi
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2022-09-08 08:04:41	UndeadLeech	Hello Señor Engineer.
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2022-09-08 12:17:46	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-09-08 12:17:46	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1426 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1425 normals)
2022-09-08 09:25:01	wallabra	Woah, net upgrade size -690 MiB?
2022-09-08 09:25:22	wallabra	That's nice, and I mean like seriously that's a lot of room saved, especially important since I'm on a 120 GB HDD lol :D
2022-09-08 09:25:31	wallabra	Though it is definitely also nice in the other sense haha
2022-09-08 09:25:53	xyproto	wallabra: why make things worse when things can be made better :)
2022-09-08 09:25:57	wallabra	:D
2022-09-08 09:26:19	wallabra	Not counting of course stuff in the pacman cache so I'll definitely do a paccache -r -k0 afterwards
2022-09-08 09:27:45	wallabra	Pacman needs a good logo, I'll make one
2022-09-08 09:27:48	cyphertite	wallabra:  you can set up a hook to run paccache automatically after every -Syu run
2022-09-08 09:28:10	jelle	wallabra: repo-elephant
2022-09-08 09:28:19	wallabra	jelle, hm?
2022-09-08 09:30:07	Ennea	i want to install arch soon-ish, coming from windows. i already have quite a few years of linux experience, mostly debian. would you recommend i do the install manually, or that i use the archinstall script? the wiki mentions that archinstall does things differently, but it doesn't go into detail (and i couldn't find anything that does)
2022-09-08 09:32:06	cyphertite	Ennea:  up to you, ofc - but if you've got Deb experience, you should be able to follow the Arch Installation Guide with ease
2022-09-08 09:32:58	Ennea	that's what i'm thinking. but i've reading the guide on the wiki ahead of time, and it _is_ kind of intimidating still, not gonna lie :)
2022-09-08 09:33:43	Ennea	though i am kind of hyped about using arch and making all those choices for myself. and at the same time dreading the whole wayland/X topic
2022-09-08 09:35:40	cyphertite	I've got full blown Plasma5/KDE here - and I don't see problems when running Wayland
2022-09-08 09:36:57	Ennea	i'm hoping i can have the same experience. i also want to run KDE :) but from various experiences posted on the internet, it seems like it could always be possible to run into some wayland issues, especially since i have an nvidia gpu
2022-09-08 09:37:04	Ennea	but only time will tell, i suppose
2022-09-08 09:39:48	cyphertite	I got an Optimus laptop - with Intel base graphics and a discrete nvidia GPU, but I cannot speak for the standalone GPU experience.  Lots of folks here have that setup though
2022-09-08 09:40:08	cyphertite	*I've got
2022-09-08 09:41:03	Ennea	did you ever run into _any_ sort of wayland issues, at all?
2022-09-08 09:41:25	Ennea	or was there any software you were using beforehand that does not work on wayland anymore, or not properly through xwayland?
2022-09-08 09:41:36	Gagis	most of the intimidating stuff in the guide is the wealth of options from which it can be frustrating to try to choose the reasonable defaults from. I guess its still good to do it manually at least once
2022-09-08 09:41:57	Gagis	wayland with KDE seems to be working better than with Gnome, deducing from user complaints
2022-09-08 09:42:53	cyphertite	yeah, a long time ago, it gave me all manner of weird touchpad effects - that's all been resolved :D
2022-09-08 09:44:05	Ennea	that's it? damn. now i'm feeling a little better about that part of my journey :)
2022-09-08 09:44:17	Ennea	Gagis, yea, the amount of options can be a bit much
2022-09-08 09:44:35	Ennea	but hey, i guess i can always just install one and ditch it for another if it doesn't work later, eh?
2022-09-08 09:44:39	susi	Ennea: there's no question about it - absolutely do it 'manual', without the script
2022-09-08 09:45:33	Ennea	you seem quite.. firm (?) about that. why's that?
2022-09-08 09:45:53	cyphertite	Ennea:  the other benefit of learning the manual install process is that if/when your system breaks, becomes corrupted, et al, you should be able to repair it (or completely reinstall it) quickly from the arch.iso
2022-09-08 09:46:12	Ennea	yea, that's what i've been thinking, too
2022-09-08 09:46:26	Ennea	i will certainly have a good understanding of everything that's going on on my system
2022-09-08 09:47:53	cyphertite	I've done it enough times that I can get through the entire install process in 15-20 minutes.  Remember, you can practice installing Arch in a VM until you get comfortable :D
2022-09-08 09:48:27	Ennea	oh, i will definitely be doing that ;)
2022-09-08 09:48:34	Ennea	i already did, actually. but i was using archinstall that time
2022-09-08 09:48:49	cyphertite	good idea :)
2022-09-08 09:51:18	susi	Ennea: because you need to learn to use the wiki, and it's only good to understand a little what's going on and what pieces your system is built on. Arch installation process isn't difficult or anything, but you may learn something useful
2022-09-08 09:52:06	predicament	NFS is giving me trouble.  I can export but I am not able to change permissions ont he client
2022-09-08 09:52:22	predicament	and it's rw. same as my other one that i can access
2022-09-08 09:53:04	predicament	i tried mkdir -p etc.  didn't seem to matter.  it's still owned by root and when mounted, chown says operation not permitted
2022-09-08 09:53:07	predicament	weird.
2022-09-08 09:53:38	predicament	the other share i have and works, but this one?  it's on the same server.. it's just another directory.
2022-09-08 09:53:45	predicament	ugh this has got to be a permissions thing
2022-09-08 09:54:01	predicament	thats the only issue.  cant really do anything but read
2022-09-08 09:54:23	predicament	on the other share, same export.. works fine, dont know why this one won't/
2022-09-08 09:54:32	predicament	and yes i followed the wiki.
2022-09-08 09:54:47	predicament	it mounts, but it doesn't let me do shit.  i can't change ownership
2022-09-08 09:55:30	Ennea	susi, gotcha. yea, sounds like i'll be doing it manually :) thanks
2022-09-08 09:55:53	jelle	predicament: post /etc/exports
2022-09-08 09:55:55	predicament	sudo chmod 755 /mnt/nfs/2TB
2022-09-08 09:55:55	predicament	chmod: changing permissions of '/mnt/nfs/2TB': Operation not permitted
2022-09-08 09:56:04	predicament	hang on
2022-09-08 09:56:19	predicament	it only does that when mounted
2022-09-08 09:56:54	predicament	if it's unmounted then it's fine.  i just don't get it.  i changed the root in nfs.conf so that i could just put /z or /2TB
2022-09-08 09:57:11	predicament	i'll relook over the exports before i post it just ot make sure
2022-09-08 09:57:13	predicament	i hate bothering you guys
2022-09-08 09:58:23	jelle	and we can't help you if you just spam the channel :-)
2022-09-08 09:58:24	predicament	alright.  i'm on the server now.
2022-09-08 09:58:34	predicament	..
2022-09-08 09:58:56	predicament	why do you always have to be like that.. i was trying to explain a few things, i'm about to load it for you
2022-09-08 09:58:59	predicament	!paste
2022-09-08 09:58:59	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-09-08 09:59:42	predicament	https://bpa.st/CNLQ
2022-09-08 09:59:43	phrik	Title: View paste CNLQ (at bpa.st)
2022-09-08 09:59:55	predicament	the new one is /2TB
2022-09-08 09:59:58	predicament	before it was just /z
2022-09-08 10:00:00	predicament	and it worked fine
2022-09-08 10:00:04	predicament	it's definitely a permissions thing
2022-09-08 10:00:09	predicament	bleh.
2022-09-08 10:00:52	predicament	but in /etc/nfs.conf i placed the root as /srv/nfs so the directories under automatically go to where' it's bound/binded
2022-09-08 10:01:24	predicament	z sill works
2022-09-08 10:01:30	predicament	but.. not 2TB.
2022-09-08 10:01:41	predicament	exportfs -arv
2022-09-08 10:02:25	predicament	i rebooted the server a few times just to see each time i bind it to make sure it sees it at boot.
2022-09-08 10:02:29	predicament	fstab
2022-09-08 10:02:35	predicament	.. i suppose i could use systemd.
2022-09-08 10:04:12	predicament	i followed the nfs wiki.. and looked at some other stuff.. it changes to root as permissions on a client and won't allow any chown/chmod.  when unmounted, it's just like /z with permissions
2022-09-08 10:05:04	predicament	obviously when you mount something over something else, it's those permissions that have to change.  i think it would have to on the client.
2022-09-08 10:05:36	predicament	but on a client i cant, say, create a folder like i can on /z
2022-09-08 10:12:27	predicament	might be my fstab entry.  i dont know jelle.
2022-09-08 10:12:34	predicament	i pasted it though.
2022-09-08 10:12:50	predicament	i looked at fstab and it was wrong, so it could be that
2022-09-08 10:12:55	predicament	might need to remount it
2022-09-08 10:19:14	bwanda	 https://termbin.com/ju4r chromium lauch problem?
2022-09-08 10:19:32	predicament	no answer huh.
2022-09-08 10:19:35	predicament	alright
2022-09-08 10:19:44	predicament	thanks for tht
2022-09-08 10:20:00	bwanda	predicament: regenrate it
2022-09-08 10:20:08	predicament	regenerate it?
2022-09-08 10:20:10	predicament	wtf
2022-09-08 10:20:17	predicament	explain "regenerate"
2022-09-08 10:20:27	bwanda	!give predicament archwiki
2022-09-08 10:20:27	phrik	predicament: BLEEP BLOOP
2022-09-08 10:20:29	predicament	omg
2022-09-08 10:20:33	predicament	im sitting looking at it
2022-09-08 10:20:39	predicament	sigh
2022-09-08 10:20:43	predicament	it doesnt say that
2022-09-08 10:21:03	predicament	the NFS wiki, that is.
2022-09-08 10:21:11	predicament	one works, one doesn't
2022-09-08 10:21:21	predicament	but i think the bind in /etc/fstab might have been incorrect
2022-09-08 10:21:22	bwanda	!give predicament installation
2022-09-08 10:21:22	phrik	predicament: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_Guide
2022-09-08 10:21:26	predicament	omg
2022-09-08 10:21:30	predicament	wow.
2022-09-08 10:21:42	predicament	just stop the trolling.
2022-09-08 10:21:48	bwanda	im nto
2022-09-08 10:21:51	bwanda	im not*
2022-09-08 10:22:03	predicament	dude why are you linking me to the installation guide..
2022-09-08 10:22:14	predicament	what do i need to regenerate
2022-09-08 10:22:35	predicament	and why
2022-09-08 10:22:50	predicament	it seems liek some permissions issue that wont fix
2022-09-08 10:22:53	predicament	so to speak
2022-09-08 10:23:02	predicament	if mounted, it basically says "fuck off"
2022-09-08 10:23:10	predicament	unless root.
2022-09-08 10:23:48	predicament	brb.  let me see if this helps *anything*
2022-09-08 10:23:53	predicament	the good thing is that it mounts.
2022-09-08 10:23:56	predicament	brb.
2022-09-08 10:24:22	bwanda	 https://termbin.com/ju4r chromium lauch problem? anyone?
2022-09-08 10:24:51	wallabra	What's a repo-elephant?
2022-09-08 10:25:18	bwanda	what that mean?
2022-09-08 10:35:08	susi	bwanda: is your librsvg up-to-date?
2022-09-08 10:37:57	predicament	got it
2022-09-08 10:38:06	predicament	it was a bad fstab entry with incorrect permissions
2022-09-08 10:38:12	predicament	you guys didn't help at all here
2022-09-08 10:38:34	predicament	just saying shit like "oh you're spamming" but it's really just explaining so people have a better idea of what's going on.
2022-09-08 10:38:43	predicament	of course, though, he's gonna say that.  what else is new.
2022-09-08 10:38:52	predicament	but its good now, it was definitely a permissiosn issue
2022-09-08 10:39:08	predicament	i had to rebind and remake the dir
2022-09-08 10:39:13	susi	I think you're not really giving people a better idea of what's going on by posting 100 lines of same little thing
2022-09-08 10:39:25	susi	of=about*
2022-09-08 10:39:25	predicament	here we go
2022-09-08 10:39:29	predicament	alright
2022-09-08 10:39:39	predicament	im just gonna not talk.  but i did what i was asked
2022-09-08 10:39:42	predicament	im not really talking about you
2022-09-08 10:40:24	krissmaster	Hello. I'm having "hibernation dependency" problems. Any hibernation experts here?
2022-09-08 10:40:26	predicament	im talking about jelle mostly.  he just picks on me.  i did what he asked, i said to hold on cause i had to go to the other box in the other room.
2022-09-08 10:40:54	predicament	but I still pasted it
2022-09-08 10:40:59	predicament	it's fine, I fixed it.
2022-09-08 10:41:02	susi	I happen to have very small font and big irssi screen, and still you fill up my screen, someone with smaller font and window would have to go through multiple screens of text to find about what you're actually talking about
2022-09-08 10:41:29	Gagis	its good irc etiqquette to rather write a single long line than three short ones
2022-09-08 10:42:00	jelle	Gagis: this person does not seem to learn
2022-09-08 10:42:16	Gagis	ah, a recurring problem
2022-09-08 10:42:26	ponies	ooooo
2022-09-08 10:42:47	⚡ 	ponies claps 
2022-09-08 10:44:33	damax	!paste
2022-09-08 10:44:34	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-09-08 10:45:16	susi	predmijat: there was 87 lines from you about this permissions thing, don't you think it's a little excessive?
2022-09-08 10:45:25	susi	oh they left
2022-09-08 10:49:38	damax	Guys after this morning update it seems to me that some gtk applications have stopped using dark theme on my kde, I have seen thunderbird and firefox so far (they are sunbright white now, instead of having the same dark theme as other programs). It seems that the update had gtk4 amongst others. I am using the sweet theme for kde, anyone else got similar problems?
2022-09-08 10:50:43	jelle	damax: iirc gnome had a way to set a dark theme by switching to 'Adwaita Dark' but a newer GTK has an dedicated API for it
2022-09-08 10:51:20	damax	Wait, what about on kde?
2022-09-08 10:51:45	Gagis	for gnome that change came a few months ago already and got fixed by switching from dark to light and back in UI again, since setting files retained deprecated fields until that
2022-09-08 10:53:55	damax	For firefox, as an example, switching the theme to dark obviously works, but the system automatic theme still keeps white light, I guess with thunderbird the same would happen
2022-09-08 10:54:07	damax	I'm trying to find if any of my other applications have the same problem
2022-09-08 10:55:33	damax	Actually, on both firefox and thunderbird the dark theme is not the same I had before, with kde theme sweet, as the shades are different
2022-09-08 10:57:45	susi	damax: this may help: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dark_mode_switching
2022-09-08 10:57:46	phrik	Title: Dark mode switching - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-08 10:58:43	susi	you may also want to set the dark theme for firefox from about:preferences
2022-09-08 10:59:52	damax	That's what I tried and I know it's not right, it's a workaround I don't like because it's still the wrong theme, I'm looking on the wiki anyway
2022-09-08 11:49:23	damax	I have reverted back to a snapshot, will wait for updated to kde I guess
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2022-09-08 12:30:31	wereii	Anyone knows what could cause that all TCP incoming connections dropped on Arch? (Wireshark: Code: 13 (Communication administratively filtered)).  Already did iptables -F & -X and set input policy to accept
2022-09-08 12:30:31	wereii	okey, not all of them somehow 22 works but 4000/tcp or 8000 does not somehow
2022-09-08 12:30:38	ℹ 	malteger_ es conocido ahora como malteger
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2022-09-08 12:37:46	bwanda	/usr/lib/chromium/chromium: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/librsvg-2.so.2: undefined symbol: pango_coverage_get_type
2022-09-08 12:38:03	bwanda	iam getting erro opening chromium plese hlep mne out?
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2022-09-08 12:39:35	bwanda	oh i see susi msg
2022-09-08 12:39:59	bwanda	susi: reisntalling librsvg
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2022-09-08 12:40:16	wereii	dropped tcp solved: don't know where from it came but I had nftables installed and enabled, it had some default icmp and ssh default config
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2022-09-08 12:41:16	bwanda	susi: 13.4 KiB/s 04:05 i will take time. pacamn misrror need to be sorted.
2022-09-08 12:41:24	bwanda	mirror*
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2022-09-08 12:46:26	bwanda	susi: g_module_open() failed for /usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-svg.so: /usr/lib/librsvg-2.so.2: undefined symbol: pango_coverage_get_type
2022-09-08 12:46:37	bwanda	on installting same error?
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2022-09-08 12:47:57	Eddy8	bwanda: check if you have anything related installed from AUR and reinstall. I sometime have these kinds of errors, because I run ffmpeg-full.
2022-09-08 12:48:20	Namarrgon	are all packages up-to-date?
2022-09-08 12:48:30	Namarrgon	partial updates are not supported on arch
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2022-09-08 12:52:42	bwanda	chromium update
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2022-09-08 12:52:47	bwanda	pacman -Syu
2022-09-08 12:52:55	bwanda	updating..
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2022-09-08 12:54:44	bwanda	How to remove dependdecies with pacman  -R?
2022-09-08 12:54:59	bwanda	i have installed pango-ubutnu ackage from aur
2022-09-08 12:55:04	bwanda	package*
2022-09-08 12:55:16	Namarrgon	install pango from the repos and pacman will replace it
2022-09-08 12:58:19	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-09-08 13:10:23	seniorengineer	Huh
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2022-09-08 13:11:07	seniorengineer	Is there a way to make sure that grab is not using key to unlock the second drive? I was trying with changing /etc/crypttab 
2022-09-08 13:11:28	Namarrgon	grub? grub does not read crypttab
2022-09-08 13:11:34	seniorengineer	It does not work. I mean it's still try to decrypt the key and somehow it doesn't find the uuid of the disk
2022-09-08 13:11:48	seniorengineer	It's Efi mode
2022-09-08 13:12:17	Namarrgon	that's as irrelevant as the color of your shirt
2022-09-08 13:12:27	seniorengineer	I needed to enable cryptdisk module
2022-09-08 13:12:46	Namarrgon	the UUIDs that grub looks for are hardcoded in the payload or in the config, nothing else is read
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2022-09-08 13:12:59	seniorengineer	Okay but I get the prompt to unlock the drive for loading anything and then when I type the passphrase for the first it tried to decrypt the master key
2022-09-08 13:13:10	Namarrgon	and?
2022-09-08 13:13:24	seniorengineer	I can share a screenshot of the error if it will help
2022-09-08 13:13:37	Namarrgon	did the UUID of the target change?
2022-09-08 13:14:04	MacGyver	Question 1: Did this ever work the way you want it to work?
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2022-09-08 13:14:26	MacGyver	As in, is this a regression or is this a new setup that's not working as you thought it would.
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2022-09-08 13:18:23	vardo	!phrik
2022-09-08 13:18:23	phrik	Forever broken, but I'm still not your butler.
2022-09-08 13:19:46	Foucault	has anyone noticed the Compose key not working with Chromium 105 on Wayland? It does work when --ozone-platform=x11 is passed to force it to run via XWayland
2022-09-08 13:19:55	Foucault	it also works with 104
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2022-09-08 13:22:56	vardo	Does it work with firefox?
2022-09-08 13:23:20	Foucault	it does
2022-09-08 13:24:02	vardo	Have you tried changing compose key?
2022-09-08 13:24:20	Foucault	I did, I don't think compose key is the actual problem
2022-09-08 13:24:45	Foucault	for instance pressing ;+a in greek layout should produce ά, instead on chromium ≥ 105 produces α
2022-09-08 13:24:58	Foucault	chromium ignores the dead key
2022-09-08 13:25:06	vardo	But it could be intercepted in some way by chromium, that was the meaning of my question
2022-09-08 13:25:25	vardo	So basically it is not working
2022-09-08 13:25:34	seniorengineer	Will check
2022-09-08 13:25:36	Foucault	looks like they are dropping modifiers altogether
2022-09-08 13:25:55	Foucault	it's fine on xwayland and x11
2022-09-08 13:26:09	vardo	Why? Cannot get caps using shift either?
2022-09-08 13:26:23	Foucault	yes, sorry not modifiers, I think the correct term is dead keys?
2022-09-08 13:26:57	vardo	But compose key is not managed by chromium as far as I know
2022-09-08 13:27:11	Foucault	it's not, but the problem only appears on chromium
2022-09-08 13:27:39	vardo	So even if you relocate compose key to a different key nothing happems
2022-09-08 13:27:41	Foucault	and only on 105
2022-09-08 13:27:51	Foucault	yes I tried that
2022-09-08 13:28:15	vardo	Is it the same in the url bar and in page view?
2022-09-08 13:28:43	Foucault	anywhere you can type on
2022-09-08 13:28:59	vardo	Even when opening a file picker?
2022-09-08 13:29:06	Foucault	good question, let's check that
2022-09-08 13:29:45	Foucault	no, the gnome native picker works fine
2022-09-08 13:29:55	vardo	OK at least some sense
2022-09-08 13:30:23	vardo	I am going to install 105 and see
2022-09-08 13:31:30	vardo	chromium-105.0.5195.102-1: correct?
2022-09-08 13:32:25	Foucault	correct
2022-09-08 13:32:40	seniorengineer	So no didn't
2022-09-08 13:32:44	Foucault	I tried all available 105.x packages, all exhibit the same issue
2022-09-08 13:32:49	seniorengineer	According to blkid
2022-09-08 13:32:51	vardo	Well it works fine by me
2022-09-08 13:32:56	seniorengineer	Same uuid
2022-09-08 13:33:10	vardo	I cannot reproduce your problem
2022-09-08 13:33:18	Foucault	ok, good, that's something at least
2022-09-08 13:33:39	vardo	Do you have plugins/extensions/whatever?
2022-09-08 13:33:57	Foucault	only ublock
2022-09-08 13:34:13	vardo	Have you tried disabling all extensions?
2022-09-08 13:34:22	Foucault	I'll do that, sure
2022-09-08 13:35:20	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-09-08 13:36:09	vardo	Does not change a thing here after I installed uBlock
2022-09-08 13:36:09	Foucault	nope, same thing, anyway it doesn't really matter, as long as it can't be reproduced elsewhere it's definitely something on my side
2022-09-08 13:36:24	Foucault	I only wanted to know if it's only me, or it's a common issue
2022-09-08 13:36:45	vardo	Well the fact it works here does not mean you are the only one either
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2022-09-08 13:37:05	vardo	I just installed the browser, never used it before
2022-09-08 13:37:13	vardo	So it is not a regular setup either
2022-09-08 13:37:40	vardo	Have you tried purging everything chromium and reinstalling?
2022-09-08 13:37:59	Foucault	I'll nuke my chromium config, I don't use it for anything else apart from teams anyway
2022-09-08 13:39:15	Foucault	wait! did you check if you were running under wayland?
2022-09-08 13:39:35	Foucault	chromium --ozone-platform=wayland
2022-09-08 13:39:43	vardo	Good point, no did not
2022-09-08 13:40:00	vardo	I assumed I ran wayland
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2022-09-08 13:40:27	vardo	It still works
2022-09-08 13:40:42	vardo	Wait
2022-09-08 13:40:50	vardo	It was not closed enough
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2022-09-08 18:50:44	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1439 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1438 normals)
2022-09-08 17:05:24	NoImNotNineVolt	but apparently it works for lots of other folks, so that's fine.
2022-09-08 17:05:35	Psi-Jack	FF 104 is far more memory efficient than current Chrome is. On a tabtop with only 8GB RAM, I feel the pain of browsers consuming too much RAM quickly.
2022-09-08 17:05:53	NoImNotNineVolt	Psi-Jack: i guess your usage patterns are different than mine if you feel that way.
2022-09-08 17:05:54	Psi-Jack	On my desktop with 64GB RAM though.....
2022-09-08 17:06:08	astralc	8gb? how many tabs you have? 100?
2022-09-08 17:06:11	NoImNotNineVolt	i generally have hundreds of tabs open across a few chrome windows, and that's fine.
2022-09-08 17:06:21	Edu4rdSHL	Same as NoImNotNineVolt 
2022-09-08 17:06:26	NoImNotNineVolt	but i can't run firefox for more than a week before i have to restart it.
2022-09-08 17:06:33	Psi-Jack	astralc: Chrome would die with only 8 tabs, given time when the memory leaks would grow until the OOM.
2022-09-08 17:06:47	NoImNotNineVolt	and i don't like restarting things.
2022-09-08 17:06:48	Psi-Jack	NoImNotNineVolt: See, THAT you need to fix. 
2022-09-08 17:06:51	Edu4rdSHL	Psi-Jack, I have never experienced that, mostly myths
2022-09-08 17:06:58	novns	vardo, and those fast ads were cheap, you could put your own ad there easily
2022-09-08 17:07:03	NoImNotNineVolt	Psi-Jack: fixing firefox is not my responsibility.
2022-09-08 17:07:07	Edu4rdSHL	^
2022-09-08 17:07:09	Psi-Jack	Edu4rdSHL: I have literal personal evidence on my own systems, so no.
2022-09-08 17:07:10	novns	it was like a bulletin board
2022-09-08 17:07:27	Edu4rdSHL	Psi-Jack, I have been using that for years on many computers so...
2022-09-08 17:07:32	Edu4rdSHL	using it *
2022-09-08 17:07:38	NoImNotNineVolt	also, for some things, firefox is incredibly slow vs chrome.
2022-09-08 17:07:44	NoImNotNineVolt	like the aws console. wow.
2022-09-08 17:07:47	vardo	NoImNotNineVolt, "12ft has been disabled for this site"
2022-09-08 17:07:48	Psi-Jack	I still likely have many more years. 😛
2022-09-08 17:07:52	NoImNotNineVolt	vardo: :'(
2022-09-08 17:08:27	cyph3r	Is it possible ro recover files from a HD after formating and changing the file system?
2022-09-08 17:08:48	Psi-Jack	cyph3r: Restore from backups!
2022-09-08 17:08:55	NoImNotNineVolt	either way, browser preferences are like religions. it's fine if you have one, but really, do we need to debate relative merits?
2022-09-08 17:09:00	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL removed the old Ublock origin, installed the new extension and it works just fine
2022-09-08 17:09:03	vardo	novns: USSR are gone?
2022-09-08 17:09:13	vardo	j/k
2022-09-08 17:09:19	cyph3r	Psi_Jack: I don't have backups
2022-09-08 17:09:26	Psi-Jack	cyph3r: Well, next time you will.
2022-09-08 17:09:42	novns	vardo, looks like it's coming back, we are scared here
2022-09-08 17:09:51	MrElendig	you will also use disk/by-* instead of sd*
2022-09-08 17:10:16	Psi-Jack	That too, would be good, yes. ☝️ 
2022-09-08 17:10:23	vardo	novns: thank you for the explanation about fast ads, I never heard of them, I guess I would have tried watching them too at first
2022-09-08 17:11:54	vardo	NoImNotNineVolt, I don't consider my choice of browsers a religion choice as I easily change them if I feel there are more convenient features, like I still use lynx
2022-09-08 17:12:39	vardo	cyph3r, have you tried recovery tools?
2022-09-08 17:13:56	vardo	cyph3r, https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/top-best-linux-data-recovery-tools
2022-09-08 17:13:58	phrik	Title: Top 20 Best Linux Data Recovery Tools to Recover Deleted/Corrupted Files | DigitalOcean (at www.digitalocean.com)
2022-09-08 17:14:43	vardo	novns: where are you? 'here'
2022-09-08 17:14:53	cyph3r	vardo: I tried testdrive, now I'm about to test PhotoRec
2022-09-08 17:15:24	vardo	cyph3r, photorec works fine, I dont think it is designed for anything else but photos though
2022-09-08 17:15:30	vardo	or videos
2022-09-08 17:15:50	astralc	cyph3r: make sure not to mount the drive rw
2022-09-08 17:16:29	cyph3r	vardo, I didn't know it was only for that
2022-09-08 17:16:44	cyph3r	astralc: I'm doing that now
2022-09-08 17:17:06	vardo	cyph3r, maybe you could read the link I sent you
2022-09-08 17:17:18	MacGyver	photorec can do a lot more than photos.
2022-09-08 17:17:41	MacGyver	Much, much more.
2022-09-08 17:17:42	vardo	MacGyver, yeah? I only used with compactflash cards so far
2022-09-08 17:17:46	MacGyver	So much it's nigh-on useless.
2022-09-08 17:17:47	cyph3r	vardo: I am going through the list, thanks
2022-09-08 17:17:53	MacGyver	You'll want to disable most filetypes.
2022-09-08 17:18:28	cyph3r	MacGyver: it's not available on AUR😢
2022-09-08 17:18:29	vardo	MacGyver, what are you talking about, disabling filetypes? I did not have to disable anything
2022-09-08 17:18:48	vardo	cyph3r, what isnt?
2022-09-08 17:18:48	MacGyver	cyph3r: It's part of the testdisk package.
2022-09-08 17:19:27	MacGyver	vardo: Photorec has a huge selection dialog of which files it should look for.
2022-09-08 17:19:44	MacGyver	And there's quite a few that will result in a massive amount of false positives.
2022-09-08 17:20:08	vardo	MacGyver, I dont remember this, is this a gui version?
2022-09-08 17:20:16	MacGyver	No.
2022-09-08 17:21:05	vardo	Well it must not have been too complicated then because I remember it was fast to set up
2022-09-08 17:23:01	⚡ 	vardo watches chromium git resolving deltas stuck at 67% for a while now
2022-09-08 17:23:21	cyph3r	MacGyver: I found it, thank you
2022-09-08 17:24:11	vardo	MacGyver, would you recommend photorec for general undeletion though?
2022-09-08 17:25:02	MacGyver	I'd recommend backups.
2022-09-08 17:25:20	novns	vardo, I'm in Irkutsk, Siberia
2022-09-08 17:25:30	MacGyver	Failing that, yes, I would recommend photorec but the odds of success aren't great on many formats.
2022-09-08 17:26:15	vardo	Backups are backups
2022-09-08 17:26:33	Repentinus	There's a good chance of recovering text documents like source code files with Photorec in my limited experience.
2022-09-08 17:26:52	Repentinus	Some common image formats too.
2022-09-08 17:27:10	Repentinus	Good luck with most other things.
2022-09-08 17:27:46	vardo	Yeah it works, I used it after I erased a CF card by mistake thinking I had made backups (this HAPPENS too)
2022-09-08 17:28:10	MacGyver	Repentinus: Problem with text documents is, if you're doing it on a filesystem that was formatted, actually getting *just* the things you're looking for is impossible.
2022-09-08 17:28:33	MacGyver	You're left dealing with a few thousand -- if not more -- false positives.
2022-09-08 17:29:00	MacGyver	Fortunately there's grep, but are you going to recall snippets in every document you think you might want to recover?
2022-09-08 17:29:06	vardo	MacGyver, yeah, thats why its best used for photos
2022-09-08 17:29:30	Repentinus	MacGyver, nope, but I might recall what I was working on since my last backup. ;-)
2022-09-08 17:30:27	vardo	MacGyver, I recovered pictures that were 15 years old, no idea how they could stand by without being overwritten. I probably never entirely filled that card again
2022-09-08 17:31:34	vardo	MacGyver, while trying to undelete 2 months old pictures I should add
2022-09-08 17:33:16	novns	with a simple script and rsync - you can make daily backups easily!  with hard links to unchanged files!
2022-09-08 17:33:26	novns	use rsync daily!
2022-09-08 17:34:25	novns	(happy corporate style music is playing)
2022-09-08 17:35:19	vardo	novns: if you can provide a script that would get my external usb drive out of their box, plug them, copy the files, and then put the drives back to the shelf, I am all in
2022-09-08 17:35:57	novns	vardo, just set another box or just use a special hdd for backups
2022-09-08 17:36:29	vardo	novns: I mean a litteral box, I put my drive back in its packaging
2022-09-08 17:37:23	novns	vardo, you can hire a backup manager then, he (or she) will do the job
2022-09-08 17:37:46	vardo	novns: I don't have enough room to let my external drives plugged in all the time and I feel I add extra protection by not letting the drives out in the open all the time
2022-09-08 17:37:54	vardo	novns: I see
2022-09-08 17:38:11	Psi-Jack	You will be assimilated... borgbackup.
2022-09-08 17:38:12	vardo	novns: after I hire someone to do my laundry first
2022-09-08 17:38:16	novns	you can use an external VPS (the cloud!)
2022-09-08 17:38:52	vardo	novns: this is sensitive material that I don't want expose
2022-09-08 17:39:01	novns	encrypt then
2022-09-08 17:39:17	Psi-Jack	borgbackup supports strong encryption.
2022-09-08 17:39:21	vardo	novns: call me crazy but I dont trust encryption
2022-09-08 17:39:40	novns	vardo, it's ok, it doesn't trust you too
2022-09-08 17:39:41	⚡ 	Psi-Jack points and laughs at vardo! "Crazy person! Crazy person!"
2022-09-08 17:40:30	vardo	Nobody every proved primes factorization cannot be done in a linear time
2022-09-08 17:40:41	vardo	This is just an assumption
2022-09-08 17:40:47	Psi-Jack	No.
2022-09-08 17:40:53	Psi-Jack	This is tried and proven many times over.
2022-09-08 17:41:06	vardo	Find me a rigourous math proof
2022-09-08 17:41:10	novns	use your own obscure cryptography algorithms
2022-09-08 17:41:13	Psi-Jack	STFW
2022-09-08 17:41:25	Psi-Jack	I'm not doing it for a crazy person. 😛
2022-09-08 17:41:25	vardo	Trying and finding it takes a long time is not a proof
2022-09-08 17:41:58	Psi-Jack	Nor will I do it under an umbrella, or on a train.
2022-09-08 17:42:46	vardo	novns: do you use remote backuping?
2022-09-08 17:43:13	vardo	Psi-Jack: I am starting to wonder if you read the guidelines
2022-09-08 17:43:25	novns	vardo, I do daily backups from some my servers to my home hdd
2022-09-08 17:43:32	lolok	Psi-Jack doing psi-ops? thats not how math works, eg rsa was discovered by ghq before it was found by someone who released the knowledge to the public
2022-09-08 17:43:39	Psi-Jack	vardo: Which guidelines. You said to call you crazy! 🙂
2022-09-08 17:44:25	vardo	Psi-Jack: whatever
2022-09-08 17:44:34	Psi-Jack	novns: I got borg backups, normalized to minimum data requirements enough to quickly reinstall and not waste space in the process, since most backups can be replayed from a newly re-installed system. 🙂
2022-09-08 17:44:43	novns	vardo, and my home files to that special backup hdd too
2022-09-08 17:45:00	vardo	novns: ok
2022-09-08 17:45:05	novns	I keep 30 days of backups
2022-09-08 17:45:51	Psi-Jack	I have 2 weeks of daily backups, 32 weeks of weekly backups, 12 months of monthly backups, and 2 years of backups, on roughly ~30 systems. Desktops and servers.
2022-09-08 17:46:13	novns	and when files were not changed - rsync keeps hardlinks, so no space is wasted
2022-09-08 17:46:18	Psi-Jack	Sorry, 24 months of monthly backups. 🙂
2022-09-08 17:46:40	Psi-Jack	Same with borg with deduplication in effect.
2022-09-08 17:47:03	Repentinus	zfs send and receive.
2022-09-08 17:47:09	Psi-Jack	No thanks.
2022-09-08 17:47:28	lolok	vardo i was gonna say ed25519, but this is for storing files? you use aes for that which isnt based on prime factorization...
2022-09-08 17:47:44	vardo	"When the numbers are sufficiently large, no efficient non-quantum integer factorization algorithm is known. However, it has not been proven that such an algorithm does not exist."
2022-09-08 17:48:23	vardo	Psi-Jack, STFW yourself
2022-09-08 17:49:07	phrik	Title: BorgBackup – Deduplicating archiver with compression and authenticated encryption (at www.borgbackup.org)
2022-09-08 17:49:25	novns	h4rd3n3d, thanks
2022-09-08 17:49:47	vardo	lolok, never heard of  ed25519, reading about it
2022-09-08 17:49:58	⚡ 	Psi-Jack blinks.
2022-09-08 17:50:04	Psi-Jack	Seriously never even... Oh my...
2022-09-08 17:50:36	vardo	Psi-Jack, you are joining my ignore list, good day
2022-09-08 17:51:46	Psi-Jack	h4rd3n3d: Indeed!
2022-09-08 17:51:59	Psi-Jack	And I happen to be a crytpologist, so encryption is one of my things.
2022-09-08 17:52:21	BrainDamage	!grab Psi-Jack
2022-09-08 17:52:21	phrik	BrainDamage: Tada!
2022-09-08 17:53:53	vardo	lolok, my remark was not limited to factorization, I am just saying that 'just in case it would be later proven to be easier to crack an encryption than we thought' I prefer to keep this stuff on physical drives (I am aware this is not perfect either, can be stolen), plus I _do_ add encryption, just not send the files through the network
2022-09-08 17:55:27	vardo	lolok, I store my private but more regular stuff to the cloud like anyone else
2022-09-08 17:55:39	Repentinus	While that's fair enough, you can be reasonably secure that if the US, UK, etc consider a cryptosystem good enough to protect their top secret information, it's good enough for you too.
2022-09-08 17:55:45	MacGyver	I keep 5 years of whenever-I-remember-to-do-them backups.
2022-09-08 17:56:17	Psi-Jack	MacGyver: LOL
2022-09-08 17:56:21	vardo	Repentinus: not if you consider some government approved encryption schemes were beaten in the past
2022-09-08 17:56:55	Psi-Jack	I have borgmatic + some wrapper scripts I designed (publically available too), to handle automation backups very nicely. And Vorta for $HOME backups on desktops. 
2022-09-08 17:57:06	astralc	Psi-Jack, you can be a cryptozoologist, because you found a mythical animal here
2022-09-08 17:57:09	vardo	Repentinus: but anyway I am not trying to convince anyone of anything, I just do what my guts tell me to do
2022-09-08 17:57:20	lolok	youre not wrong vardo but at that point youre fighting state level adversaries, if you were in the service and guarding launch codes it would make sense, but if youre just a regular guy hiding your porn and tax returns, it will take less effort than a state actor, just some ambitious thugs https://xkcd.com/538/
2022-09-08 17:57:22	phrik	Title: xkcd: Security (at xkcd.com)
2022-09-08 17:57:51	vardo	lolok, I agree with what you are saying
2022-09-08 17:58:00	Repentinus	The stuff US recommended to all the commercial users in the last decades of the 20th c was not approved for protecting their own top secret information.
2022-09-08 17:58:50	MacGyver	Repentinus: We don't, actually, know that.
2022-09-08 17:59:20	vardo	lolok, I will not detail what I am protecting here, but as I said this is not basic private stuff like porn
2022-09-08 17:59:24	MacGyver	Repentinus: The actual contents of Suite A are unknown.
2022-09-08 17:59:33	MacGyver	Repentinus: We don't know what those algorithms are.
2022-09-08 17:59:43	MacGyver	Repentinus: They might be the exact same things.
2022-09-08 18:00:11	MacGyver	Repentinus: Possibly with a parameter tweaked here or there.
2022-09-08 18:00:41	astralc	vardo: is it the trump classfied documents from mar-a-lago?
2022-09-08 18:00:55	vardo	astralc: how did you guess?
2022-09-08 18:01:38	MacGyver	He was just keeping off-site backups, case closed.
2022-09-08 18:01:41	Repentinus	MacGyver, well, there was no public indication that the US gov't considered stuff like 3DES good enough for protecting their own secrets.
2022-09-08 18:01:55	lolok	vardo ok but think about the overall threat model, if your attacker is advanced enough that they have cracked rsa [or have a lookup table which i think is more likely tbh] than what youre doing now is also insufficient, you should be paying protection to a private army...
2022-09-08 18:02:04	vardo	MacGyver, exactly
2022-09-08 18:02:18	Repentinus	Suite B has been publicly documented to be good enough for their own TS information.
2022-09-08 18:02:29	Repentinus	(With the right key sizes.)
2022-09-08 18:03:58	MacGyver	Repentinus: Yes, and we have no indication that Suite A is anything but three Suite B algorithms in a trenchcoat.
2022-09-08 18:04:04	vardo	lolok, as I said, I know this is not perfect
2022-09-08 18:04:20	bertptrs	Is there an issue with the ruby setup? the io-wait gem appears to be unimportable and it's causing weird issues in various tools
2022-09-08 18:04:26	iqqdq	does xinitrc have to be in posix sh? or can I write it with bash?
2022-09-08 18:04:42	bertptrs	If there's nothing known I'll keep digging, just wanted to check
2022-09-08 18:04:48	lolok	yea private armies arent cheap but gpl software is free lol
2022-09-08 18:04:58	MacGyver	Repentinus: "It's not approved for top secret information" isn't really the damning indictment it sounds like.
2022-09-08 18:05:01	vardo	lolok, yet it would require to know what to look for if someone breaks in, while on the cloud there could be automated routines
2022-09-08 18:05:16	B-|	rspamd uses redis without needing any configuration. is this safe if i have multiple users on a system
2022-09-08 18:05:28	B-|	can't they just edit rspamd's stuff
2022-09-08 18:05:50	MacGyver	Would be fun to be alive in 60 odd years when this stuff is released under FOIA.
2022-09-08 18:05:51	Repentinus	MacGyver, oh, I am not saying it is. I am saying that such approval is a reasonably strong endorsement, but nothing about its absence.
2022-09-08 18:07:15	B-|	can arch packages come with a systemd service enabled?
2022-09-08 18:07:38	B-|	separate question
2022-09-08 18:07:47	Psi-Jack	if the post_install sets it enabled which is generally bad practice.
2022-09-08 18:07:54	BrainDamage	they could, but they aren't
2022-09-08 18:07:56	Repentinus	They should not.
2022-09-08 18:08:25	Repentinus	An .install file should be echoed during the installation to advise of the need to enable services.
2022-09-08 18:08:29	BrainDamage	no need for post_install, systemd has a preset config for enabling
2022-09-08 18:08:46	BrainDamage	but as a informal policy, arch doesn't do that
2022-09-08 18:08:53	novns	B-|, yes, some packages put files in /usr/lib/systemd/system/*.target.wants
2022-09-08 18:09:11	novns	so those services are enabled explicitly
2022-09-08 18:09:31	B-|	thanks
2022-09-08 18:09:37	B-|	novns: do you have an exmple package?
2022-09-08 18:09:53	B-|	any will do
2022-09-08 18:09:57	novns	B-|, dbus
2022-09-08 18:09:59	lolok	vardo ill aggree that anything critically confidential should be stored nowhere you dont also physically control, even if the encryption is actually sufficient, you allow another attack vector if you let someone else store it
2022-09-08 18:10:08	B-|	thanks
2022-09-08 18:10:28	Repentinus	If you are writing a PKGBUILD of your own (for submission in AUR), you should not enable systemd services upon installation.
2022-09-08 18:10:31	novns	B-|, getty, alsa
2022-09-08 18:10:43	B-|	Repentinus: i know
2022-09-08 18:10:44	MacGyver	There are *some* that do enable their *socket*, though.
2022-09-08 18:10:59	MacGyver	Or at least, I recall the pulseaudio package doing that, among others.
2022-09-08 18:11:02	novns	B-|, logrotate, man-db, etc
2022-09-08 18:11:16	B-|	novns: thanks
2022-09-08 18:11:29	lolok	h4rd3n3d everything is relative, when youre a btc whale, a private army isnt expensive
2022-09-08 18:11:36	vardo	lolok, I think so. I have this friend of mine who designs 'remote login pages' for systems, I did not understand why I thought this added an extra weak link to the entire system
2022-09-08 18:12:01	vardo	lolok, he did not understand, not I
2022-09-08 18:12:27	vardo	lolok, basically said the same thing: we use encryption so everything is fine
2022-09-08 18:13:14	novns	let's encrypt everything and lose the key
2022-09-08 18:13:34	vardo	novns: lol
2022-09-08 18:13:39	lolok	lol was gonna say its a lot easier to config someoen elses system with bas opsec than your own
2022-09-08 18:13:50	lolok	someone*
2022-09-08 18:13:55	lolok	bad*
2022-09-08 18:14:10	BrainDamage	vardo: it's fine to accept the risk of having a single critical piece for security, as long as you're conscious about it
2022-09-08 18:14:14	Repentinus	I can take backups of your encryption passphrases for the lowly fee of 9.99$ / passphrase / year.
2022-09-08 18:14:50	vardo	BrainDamage, what being conscious about it do to improve security?
2022-09-08 18:15:18	BrainDamage	it doesn't improve security, it's accepting a valid tradeoff between convenience and security
2022-09-08 18:15:53	BrainDamage	you're always making one, and being conscious of the marking point means you're aware of the risks involved
2022-09-08 18:16:41	vardo	Yes, thats why, based on my knowledge and my means I do the choices of security I do
2022-09-08 18:17:15	lolok	h4rd3n3d what like the suckers who but their btc in those sketchy trading sites, and think that because they have a user name and pw, that they have any control over the keys to the wallet that holds them?
2022-09-08 18:17:27	lolok	s/but/put/1
2022-09-08 18:18:15	lolok	well maybe not i guess those are the suckers who already lost lol
2022-09-08 18:19:44	vardo	BrainDamage, would you consider executing login pages of local stations in remote servers a good security choice?
2022-09-08 18:20:47	vardo	BrainDamage, the rationale behind their offer is that they focus all efforts on their security solution so liberating the local machines from this burden but that seems flawed and marketing logic
2022-09-08 18:22:08	BrainDamage	sounds like they are reinventing kerberos in a worse way
2022-09-08 18:29:48	lolok	h4rd3n3d yea i remember, it was big news then, i understood that, everyone was surprised, that part i didnt get...
2022-09-08 18:30:59	lolok	but im the dumbass who, early in the btc saga, verified the chain, instead of mining, i would be so rich...
2022-09-08 18:38:11	vardo	Does anyone know if there are stats about users in function of the linux distribution they use? especially with age and experience parameters
2022-09-08 18:38:46	vardo	I usually read more vague statements without actual numbers
2022-09-08 18:40:08	vardo	Like how Arch users would compare with say Debian. I am asking this because I come from Debian and I had prejudice regarding Arch users that do not seem accurate.
2022-09-08 18:41:01	B-|	huh
2022-09-08 18:41:07	B-|	i fucking hate debian users
2022-09-08 18:41:14	vardo	lol
2022-09-08 18:41:14	AlexC	i hate linux users
2022-09-08 18:41:16	AlexC	kek
2022-09-08 18:41:25	B-|	the next one i see wakes up with no limbs
2022-09-08 18:41:33	B-|	hanging from a meat hook
2022-09-08 18:41:39	Foxboron	B-|: Please take your distasteful jokes elsewhere
2022-09-08 18:41:48	B-|	apologies
2022-09-08 18:41:58	BrainDamage	vardo: there are, but they are mostly voluntary so the results are not very reliable
2022-09-08 18:42:27	AlexC	probably your best bet is steam survey
2022-09-08 18:42:28	vardo	BrainDamage, ok thanks, I looked it up but didnt find any interesting results so far
2022-09-08 18:42:36	AlexC	but that's not accurate either
2022-09-08 18:42:57	vardo	Steam ok I will check thanks
2022-09-08 18:44:02	jelle	B-|: think about what you just said
2022-09-08 18:45:38	jelle	h4rd3n3d: please, offtopic :)
2022-09-08 18:46:51	lolok	many people here use debian on their servers vardo arch is not perfect in every situation
2022-09-08 18:47:30	lolok	youre exactly right h4rd3n3d dont trust them and thats all i gotta say about that
2022-09-08 18:47:37	vardo	lolok I am not comparing distributions, I still use debian for my servers too, I just wondered about the type of people that use this or that distribution for their personal desktop
2022-09-08 18:48:21	jelle	vardo: arch linux holds no stats and neither does debian for users and age
2022-09-08 18:48:43	jkc	vardo: Everything has its purpose. Age isn't relevant.
2022-09-08 18:49:33	lolok	i think we have reached large enough install base that there is a large diversity here vardo so while there might be some biases somewhere i dont think it has any effect on anything
2022-09-08 18:50:14	vardo	OK just to be clear, I was initially under the impression that Arch was more of a trend by young people but it is clearly not the case
2022-09-08 18:50:45	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-09-08 18:51:14	vardo	It is a well organized distribution
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2022-09-08 18:51:35	AlexC	every distro is well organized if you know what to do
2022-09-08 18:51:39	lolok	ignoring that 'young' is subjective, i would think probably not, it takes a years of experience to use arch efficiently
2022-09-08 18:52:37	lolok	years of linux experience anyway, a lot is transferable from other distros, obviously
2022-09-08 18:53:47	jelle	h4rd3n3d: if you are banned in #aot for certain behaviour, then don't repeat it here, thank you
2022-09-08 18:53:47	vardo	lolok: I realized this when I tried to install it and there was no automation
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2022-09-08 18:54:15	B-|	isajd
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2022-09-08 18:55:00	B-|	finally, i've had ample time to scheme my next attack
2022-09-08 18:55:04	vardo	Would you say Arch is experimental or just up to date regarding packages? That was the basis for trying something new. I had tried Fedora for the same reason
2022-09-08 18:55:16	B-|	vardo: i wanna say up to date
2022-09-08 18:55:24	vardo	Debian stable always lagging
2022-09-08 18:55:25	lolok	i think there is some script now vardo but yea its not the 'proper' way and you still have to find it when youre dropped into a root shell on the live system
2022-09-08 18:55:26	B-|	super up to date
2022-09-08 18:55:49	jelle	B-|: excuse me?
2022-09-08 18:55:54	B-|	vardo: look up archinstall
2022-09-08 18:56:09	B-|	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Archinstall
2022-09-08 18:56:10	phrik	Title: archinstall - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-08 18:56:14	AlexC	or just switch to debian testing if you prefer debian
2022-09-08 18:56:18	BrainDamage	vardo: up to date, the concept of "stable" = old is just api-oriented imo
2022-09-08 18:56:23	AlexC	thats also pretty uptodate
2022-09-08 18:56:37	lolok	but manjaro and other arch derivatives seem to be 'hip' with the kids these days
2022-09-08 18:56:54	BrainDamage	debian testing means that you are testing tho, arch has separate testing repos despite being rolling
2022-09-08 18:57:02	BrainDamage	so debian testing is not the same as arch
2022-09-08 18:57:11	AlexC	i didn't say it's the same
2022-09-08 18:57:28	vardo	I agree with BrainDamage here, I dont think debian testing is really the same
2022-09-08 18:57:31	lolok	debian testing is pretty stable, actually, sid is not
2022-09-08 18:57:49	AlexC	yap, never had issues with testing myself before
2022-09-08 18:57:58	vardo	Would you use Arch for enterprise grade development of applications?
2022-09-08 18:58:20	lolok	for development yea
2022-09-08 18:58:22	⚡ 	Warepire uses Arch as development station at work.
2022-09-08 18:58:26	AlexC	me too
2022-09-08 18:58:30	lolok	probably not deployment
2022-09-08 18:58:48	lolok	but there are people who have arch servers, afaik, the arch website runs arch
2022-09-08 18:58:55	AlexC	distro doesn't matter, all I need is a text editor or IDE
2022-09-08 18:58:57	AlexC	lol
2022-09-08 18:59:00	Namarrgon	!fizzbuzz
2022-09-08 18:59:01	phrik	https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition
2022-09-08 18:59:03	vardo	Not deployment? Then what if your development rely on younger versions of libs?
2022-09-08 18:59:09	Psi-Jack	lolok: I run a BBS off Arch Linux. 🙂
2022-09-08 18:59:11	Namarrgon	runs on arch just fine
2022-09-08 18:59:23	Metroid	a popular vpn provider runs Arch
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2022-09-08 18:59:26	vardo	AlexC: but what about dependencies?
2022-09-08 18:59:36	AlexC	what dependecies?
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2022-09-08 18:59:38	AlexC	use flatpak
2022-09-08 18:59:47	vardo	I see
2022-09-08 18:59:48	lolok	vardo than just get the other versions of the libs? if you already have a dev env setup, this isnt asking too much
2022-09-08 18:59:53	AlexC	vscodium has flatpak, thats all I need
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2022-09-08 19:00:38	AlexC	or turn vim into an IDE
2022-09-08 19:00:40	vardo	flatpak is like appimage?
2022-09-08 19:00:47	AlexC	kinda, but no
2022-09-08 19:00:52	lolok	again assuming experience
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2022-09-08 19:01:21	vardo	lolok: the other versions of the libs may not have the same API
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2022-09-08 19:02:17	Warepire	Most libs provide version check macros, and use versioned so-libs, so not a problem. You can also define minimum required versions of libs.
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2022-09-08 19:02:30	lolok	yea but you can build against whatever version you like regardless of what you have installed by the package manager vardo, even ignoring that many legacy libs are in the aur, it just requires some extra setup which again shouldnt be too hard for anyone who got this far
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2022-09-08 19:03:52	vardo	Warepire: on a Debian system at least I could not install libs that have not been backported easily
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2022-09-08 19:05:00	lolok	its much easier to get older libs working on newer systems than newer libs working on older ones
2022-09-08 19:05:14	vardo	Exactly
2022-09-08 19:05:27	lolok	and assuming youre gonna compile anyway, or maybe not, probably just need the headers
2022-09-08 19:05:32	vardo	I installed Arch after trying to build a recent version of gnome terminal actually
2022-09-08 19:06:15	vardo	It quickly became a nightmare on Debian
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2022-09-08 19:06:17	ℹ 	xoan2 es conocido ahora como xoan
2022-09-08 19:07:26	B-|	vardo: i reconsidered using debian on my server
2022-09-08 19:07:34	lolok	theres probably a pkgbuild on arch can make and install it with almost no effort
2022-09-08 19:07:35	B-|	when adduser broke
2022-09-08 19:08:01	lolok	useradd > adduser
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2022-09-08 19:08:08	⚡ 	vardo is reading about flatpak
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2022-09-08 19:09:01	B-|	vardo: no
2022-09-08 19:09:13	B-|	just look for the package on the aur
2022-09-08 19:09:13	lolok	adduser in the aur lol
2022-09-08 19:09:18	B-|	WHAT
2022-09-08 19:09:33	lolok	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/adduser
2022-09-08 19:09:37	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - adduser (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-09-08 19:09:43	lolok	still wouldnt trust it tho
2022-09-08 19:09:44	vardo	B-| no to what?
2022-09-08 19:10:09	B-|	using flatac
2022-09-08 19:10:11	B-|	flatpoack
2022-09-08 19:10:14	B-|	flatpack
2022-09-08 19:10:22	vardo	flatpak
2022-09-08 19:10:26	B-|	that
2022-09-08 19:10:27	vardo	Why not?
2022-09-08 19:10:32	jonathon	heh... "let's take a binary from slackware and install it! what could go wrong?"
2022-09-08 19:10:44	lolok	i think hes just doing some research about it
2022-09-08 19:10:49	lolok	not using it to make gnome terminal
2022-09-08 19:10:55	Psi-Jack	jonathon: Oh soooo many things.....
2022-09-08 19:11:08	jonathon	(actually it's a script, thankfully not a binary)
2022-09-08 19:11:08	vardo	Yes figuring what flatpak is, I dont know it
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2022-09-08 19:23:01	vardo	I wanted to ask this: regarding AUR, how do you mitigate the risk?
2022-09-08 19:23:49	vardo	Especially risk of intentional malware
2022-09-08 19:24:02	Namarrgon	read the PKGBUILD, make sure it does what you expect it to do
2022-09-08 19:24:11	vardo	OK
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2022-09-08 19:24:51	vardo	I noticed makepkg forbids its use as root because it says it could ruin the systen, I guess this is related
2022-09-08 19:27:33	jonathon	PKGBUILD scripts are Bash scripts, I'm sure you can join the dots ;)
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2022-09-08 19:27:52	vardo	Oh ok yes
2022-09-08 19:28:15	Psi-Jack	But, yeah, I run primarily Debian servers now that CentOS was .... Destroyed.
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2022-09-08 19:28:38	Namarrgon	keep the foreign package-count manageable, ideally stay away from the AUR completely
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2022-09-08 19:29:38	vardo	OK because I just read a PKGBUILD file, I understand this can help mitigating the risk but I was more thinking about malware inserted inside the code
2022-09-08 19:30:25	vardo	It seens auditing PKGBUILD files is limited
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2022-09-08 19:31:36	vardo	Has there been precedents of AUR being used in an inappropriate way or is that very rare?
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2022-09-08 19:32:26	susi	just read through and understand the code of each and every software you're going to use, and stay up-to-date with commits to those packages, eyeing through them too
2022-09-08 19:32:39	Namarrgon	yes, code that accidently deletes parts of your system, malware, poor quality-code, we've had everything
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2022-09-08 19:33:25	vardo	susi: that makes perfect sense, although I guess some packages must be very large and hard to read line by line
2022-09-08 19:33:27	Namarrgon	there is no pre-publish audit; people report suspect code but until then a hundred users have already blindly installed it
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2022-09-08 19:34:17	vardo	OK thanks for the warnings
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2022-09-08 19:36:55	FR337H1NK	Hey everyone! Is this an okay channel to ask questions in or is there one specific to newbie questions?
2022-09-08 19:37:12	susi	vardo: and do not forget the deps, must go through them too
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2022-09-08 19:37:26	keir	FR337H1NK: ask the question, instead of asking to ask the question
2022-09-08 19:37:28	gehidore	here is fine there is also #archlinux-newbie
2022-09-08 19:37:40	gehidore	FR337H1NK ↑
2022-09-08 19:37:46	FR337H1NK	gehidore Thank you!
2022-09-08 19:38:07	vardo	I find impressive that now arch wiki tops search results in almost all linux searches since arch is not amoung the top 5 distros
2022-09-08 19:38:25	vardo	top 5 in terms of users I mea
2022-09-08 19:38:28	vardo	mean
2022-09-08 19:38:35	vardo	susi: good point
2022-09-08 19:38:38	Warepire	vardo: It's just a very high quality wiki.
2022-09-08 19:39:09	vardo	Yes it is! How did you achieve that?
2022-09-08 19:41:19	gehidore	quality people like NetSysFire 
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2022-09-08 19:41:31	NetSysFire	oi stop lying
2022-09-08 19:41:44	gehidore	if you insist, quality cats like NetSysFire 
2022-09-08 19:42:05	NetSysFire	just because i am a wiki maintainer doesnt mean i have done like 90% in the wiki
2022-09-08 19:42:36	gehidore	yet you are a great example of why the wiki remains high quality :)
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2022-09-08 19:48:01	another|	Do note that not every page is great though
2022-09-08 19:48:27	vardo	Like what?
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2022-09-08 20:00:44	vardo	There is a list of trusted users who help maintaining packages etc. this list contains IRC contacts that points to freenode, did they move to libera or should the list be considered outdated?
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2022-09-08 20:01:55	MrElendig	most moved over
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2022-09-08 20:03:08	vardo	OK because some names here do correspond to freenode contacts
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2022-09-08 20:09:24	citazen	I wonder how they build google, without google?
2022-09-08 20:10:57	vardo	What do you mean?
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2022-09-08 20:12:47	vardo	Is there a way to force cpulimit on a program after it was launched AND creates multiple processes thereafter?
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2022-09-08 20:13:37	artefact	yes, look up cgroups
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2022-09-08 20:22:43	vardo	Is there a way to force cpulimit on a program after it was launched AND creates multiple processes thereafter?
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2022-09-08 20:23:24	MrElendig	move it into a cgroup if it isn't in one already and then set limits
2022-09-08 20:23:32	vardo	I have started git hours ago and it freezes my computer, I am keeping track of its processes so as to limit their cpu use individually but its not practical
2022-09-08 20:23:41	vardo	OK thanks
2022-09-08 20:24:05	artefact	just using taskset is a lot simpler, but not as fine-grained
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2022-09-08 20:25:43	artefact	or just renice/chrt if you just want other programs to be responsive
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2022-09-08 20:26:37	vardo	Thanks
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2022-09-08 20:27:09	indicator	I'd like to boot debian from my arch GRUB2 on my EFI system. I tried installing os-prober and running grub-mkconfig, but debian didn't show up in the GRUB boot menu :-(
2022-09-08 20:27:25	MrElendig	try handwriting the entry
2022-09-08 20:27:47	MrElendig	or chainload the grub you have on debian
2022-09-08 20:27:48	Namarrgon	os-prober is disabled out of the box anyway
2022-09-08 20:28:15	indicator	Any pointers? I tried just booting the newly-installed debian from the BIOS, but it silently fails and falls back to PXE. I imagine that's something to do with EFI?
2022-09-08 20:28:21	MrElendig	the later way avoids the issue of having to update the config due to kernel updates in debian
2022-09-08 20:28:24	indicator	I did enable os-prober in GRUB config
2022-09-08 20:28:26	Namarrgon	and even if you get it working it won't reliably boot debian since it doesn't contain their patches that discover their kernel
2022-09-08 20:28:30	MrElendig	can also include the debian grub config
2022-09-08 20:28:39	indicator	ha that's weird, os-prober is a debian thing
2022-09-08 20:28:56	⚡ 	MrElendig assumes grub is set up on debian
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2022-09-08 20:29:10	indicator	it's supposed to be, but my EFI BIOS can't seem to boot it directly
2022-09-08 20:29:14	Namarrgon	chainload debian's loader if you can, everything else is a pita in the long term
2022-09-08 20:29:56	indicator	I'm not sure if I should expect the BIOS to be able to boot debian if I tell it what partition to boot from, given EFI?
2022-09-08 20:29:56	Namarrgon	or use debian's loader to boot arch and don't install one from arch at all
2022-09-08 20:30:00	vardo	artefact: I tried taskset 1 -a -p <pid> but it does not like the syntax. is there a way to apply the mask to all processes related to the pid I give it?
2022-09-08 20:30:10	Namarrgon	indicator: that's not how UEFI works
2022-09-08 20:30:14	indicator	I'd rather configure everything from arch
2022-09-08 20:30:23	Namarrgon	then welcome to pain-town
2022-09-08 20:30:25	indicator	So it's expected I can't just boot it from the BIOS, right?
2022-09-08 20:30:32	Namarrgon	bios or uefi?
2022-09-08 20:30:47	indicator	EFI
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2022-09-08 20:31:11	indicator	Why pain town? Why does configuring it from arch rule out what you suggested, chain loading?
2022-09-08 20:31:17	Namarrgon	then you can install debian's and arch's grub to the ESP in parallel and then pick them from the firmware's bootmenu
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2022-09-08 20:31:40	indicator	I'd rather know almost nothing about EFI and know more about arch and grub :-)
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2022-09-08 20:31:54	Namarrgon	knowing about arch implies knowing about UEFI
2022-09-08 20:31:54	indicator	In my mind, EFI already works and I never want to touch it again
2022-09-08 20:32:04	indicator	why do I need it to work twice?
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2022-09-08 20:32:53	indicator	Seems like GRUB knows how to run debian, right?  I think that's what you're suggesting with "chain loading", right?
2022-09-08 20:33:20	Namarrgon	chainloading means that you would e.g. use arch's grub to load debian's grub
2022-09-08 20:33:25	indicator	right
2022-09-08 20:33:31	indicator	sounds good to me
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2022-09-08 20:34:26	indicator	I mean worse than the pre-EFI way, but better than needing to learn about EFI! Thanks, I'll search for chain loading examples
2022-09-08 20:34:47	Namarrgon	yeah, learning is for losers
2022-09-08 20:35:31	indicator	If I learn about EFI I can't learn other stuff. I do wish I was imortal though, good luck with that if you too! ;-)
2022-09-08 20:35:38	indicator	*immortal
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2022-09-08 20:37:31	vardo	Is it okay to post questions about git here or is it offtopic? (using arch distro)
2022-09-08 20:38:36	Namarrgon	you can ask here but i'd go straight to #git if i were you.
2022-09-08 20:39:06	indicator	This seems to suggest that, strictly defined, chain loading isn't supposed to be used for loading Linux https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/html_node/Chain_002dloading.html
2022-09-08 20:39:07	phrik	Title: GNU GRUB Manual 2.06: Chain-loading (at www.gnu.org)
2022-09-08 20:40:03	Namarrgon	like i said, if you use arch's grub to load debian's kernel then it's not "chain loading"
2022-09-08 20:40:03	vardo	OK good idea
2022-09-08 20:40:08	vardo	Thanks
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2022-09-08 20:46:03	FR337H1NK	I installed brave-bin and was having some issues, so I tried to install regular "brave" from the AUR. Not entirely sure of the difference in the two, tbh.
2022-09-08 20:46:04	FR337H1NK	When trying to install "brave" it's missing dependencies. I was wondering if there was an argument to install all required dependencies when installing from AUR.
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2022-09-08 20:47:40	Namarrgon	how did you try to install it?
2022-09-08 20:48:19	FR337H1NK	Good question. Let me see if I can find the command I used.
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2022-09-08 20:48:30	Namarrgon	have you read the AUR page on the wiki?
2022-09-08 20:49:04	FR337H1NK	I have, and I've installed other things from AUR that worked. I'll give it another look!
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2022-09-08 20:49:46	Metroid	the brave AUR hasn't been updated since 2021-09-11 
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2022-09-08 20:50:25	FR337H1NK	Ah! That being said, I would assume that "brave-bin" should be the preferred then?
2022-09-08 20:50:33	Metroid	correct
2022-09-08 20:51:31	FR337H1NK	Thank you!
2022-09-08 20:52:46	FR337H1NK	When I used the `brave` command to launch it, I get an error:
2022-09-08 20:52:47	FR337H1NK	`[1689:1689:0908/135118.722708:ERROR:sharing_service.cc(222)] Device registration failed with fatal error`
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2022-09-08 20:53:10	FR337H1NK	Any idea why I would get that? The browser still launches, but that terminal window stays up and throws errors as I'm navigating.
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2022-09-08 20:53:48	Metroid	try brave %U
2022-09-08 20:54:10	Metroid	also if you launch it from a terminal , you will see output in the terminal like most programs
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2022-09-08 20:54:31	FR337H1NK	Still launched, but threw up the same error.
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2022-09-08 20:54:32	FR337H1NK	Good to know on that second point!
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2022-09-08 20:57:59	vardo	I feel I should mention this: there is actually a way to clone chromium without having more than 30GB of disk usage by not cloing the entire history by using fetch --nohooks --no-history chromium
2022-09-08 20:58:31	vardo	Pertaining to the conversation earlier today
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2022-09-08 21:01:54	Namarrgon	yes but now you have a shallow clone that will next time take more longer to update than had you cloned the whole history now
2022-09-08 21:02:03	Namarrgon	s/more//
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2022-09-08 21:02:22	vardo	But I cannot complete the regular process, I get an error
2022-09-08 21:02:40	Namarrgon	hm?
2022-09-08 21:02:43	vardo	https://upaste.de/evK
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2022-09-08 21:03:15	Namarrgon	are you manually building chromium?
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2022-09-08 21:03:21	Namarrgon	as root?
2022-09-08 21:03:41	vardo	Manually how? I followed chromium instructions using their tools
2022-09-08 21:03:53	vardo	They then call git instances
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2022-09-08 21:05:26	vardo	I think I cannot use cgroups to limit the cpu usage of chromium cloning because it executes multiple git instances
2022-09-08 21:05:27	◣	danisztls (~weechat@user/danisztls) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2022-09-08 21:05:46	vardo	The list of processes is constantly changing
2022-09-08 21:06:03	gehidore	what's the importance of limiting the cpu usage?
2022-09-08 21:06:05	vardo	Not that I think this has to do with the error
2022-09-08 21:06:24	vardo	Because it freezes my computer and overheat it
2022-09-08 21:06:49	vardo	I installed thermald but still its hot
2022-09-08 21:07:34	vardo	Namarrgon, yes as root
2022-09-08 21:07:39	◣	yans (~yans@80.243.173.8) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2022-09-08 21:07:48	vardo	Namarrgon, something wrong with that?
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2022-09-08 21:08:44	Namarrgon	do you want the sarcastic reply or the regular one?
2022-09-08 21:08:50	vardo	Both
2022-09-08 21:09:12	Namarrgon	then it's perfectly fine, nothing can ever go wrong building random stuff as root, eve
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2022-09-08 21:09:40	vardo	OK message received
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2022-09-08 21:10:02	Namarrgon	now stop being a dummy and build as your regular or separate user
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2022-09-08 21:10:19	vardo	I implied I will
2022-09-08 21:10:24	MacGyver	Namarrgon: There's a difference?
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2022-09-08 21:10:33	MacGyver	Namarrgon: Between the sarcastic and the regular reply.
2022-09-08 21:10:45	vardo	Both sound sarcastic
2022-09-08 21:10:56	vardo	But the last one is direct
2022-09-08 21:11:17	vardo	Thus not so sarcastic I suppose
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2022-09-08 21:12:28	BrainDamage	sarcasm is never used in this channel
2022-09-08 21:12:31	Namarrgon	that's how far this channel has driven me, all my speech is sarcasm
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2022-09-08 21:13:04	vardo	BrainDamage, your whole nickname makes your statement doubtful
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2022-09-08 21:13:43	◣	weeb (~libera@e1.nixmagic.com) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2022-09-08 21:13:48	lolok	you opted into the sarcasm, i have a saying for building as root too, if you play stupid games than you will win stupid prizes
2022-09-08 21:14:08	teraflops	vardo: that's a pink floyd tribute I think
2022-09-08 21:14:27	vardo	teraflops, what is?
2022-09-08 21:14:31	teraflops	a song
2022-09-08 21:14:57	◣	braskx (~braskx@user/braskx) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-09-08 21:15:09	vardo	teraflops, but what would refer to that song? I'm lost
2022-09-08 21:15:26	◣	shibboleth (~shibbolet@user/shibboleth) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
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2022-09-08 21:15:30	teraflops	the song is called braindamage
2022-09-08 21:15:37	vardo	Oh ok
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2022-09-08 21:16:45	vardo	Anyway if I have to run fetch again without history and it stops with the same error, I am inclined to give up for now
2022-09-08 21:17:27	vardo	unless migrating to a non root user would change anything which I doubt
2022-09-08 21:17:28	lolok	is there a reason youre building it and not using the binary package?
2022-09-08 21:17:54	vardo	Yes, trying to figure why Foucault could not use their compose hey
2022-09-08 21:17:56	vardo	key
2022-09-08 21:18:05	lolok	i mean it could hurt, besides, you dont intend to *run* chromium as root anyway right?
2022-09-08 21:18:15	lolok	couldnt*
2022-09-08 21:18:43	lolok	or at least sudo -u nobody i think that works
2022-09-08 21:18:54	vardo	No, not running it as root. I am just used to build things as root as a developer but this makes sense only for my own devs
2022-09-08 21:19:34	◥	weeb (~libera@e1.nixmagic.com) has joined #archlinux
2022-09-08 21:19:58	vardo	Arch is woke?
2022-09-08 21:20:02	lolok	jelle is not a good admin h4rd3n3d, if i had to guess, you get banned here now
2022-09-08 21:20:16	◣	sord937 (~sord937@gateway/tor-sasl/sord937) ha salido (Quit: sord937)
2022-09-08 21:20:41	lolok	i mean thats the least productive thing i can think so thats what will happen lol
2022-09-08 21:21:22	Namarrgon	h4rd3n3d: restrict ban-appeals to PM, don't flood the channel with your personal problems
2022-09-08 21:21:49	BrainDamage	a) this is not the US b) the first amendement only applies in your relations to the state and c) this is not the place for it, see channel rules
2022-09-08 21:21:52	lolok	tbh he strikes me as the type to ignore his pm from someone he banned
2022-09-08 21:22:18	lolok	or at least not be willing to have a real conversation about the topic
2022-09-08 21:22:29	vardo	lolok: who? jelle or h4rd3n3d?
2022-09-08 21:22:35	lolok	jelle
2022-09-08 21:22:38	vardo	k
2022-09-08 21:23:17	BrainDamage	you can bring a complaint to another admin if you think one is being unfair, as long as it's not just a tactic to chain attempts until one agrees with you
2022-09-08 21:24:05	keir	does the #archlinux namespace have an op channel? seems like a good use case for one
2022-09-08 21:24:06	jonathon	lolok: perhaps don't make unsubstantiated allegations? if you have experienced an issue then talk to another admin about it. otherwise, don't make stuff up.
2022-09-08 21:24:19	◥	shibboleth (~shibbolet@user/shibboleth) has joined #archlinux
2022-09-08 21:24:33	Namarrgon	keir: no, there's no appeal channel
2022-09-08 21:25:49	vardo	Any reason #aot is empty? Is this not the real channel name?
2022-09-08 21:25:59	teraflops	yes because it's toxic
2022-09-08 21:26:02	lolok	lol jonathon i think he knows exactly what im talking about, i have already talked it out with him, i have no beef now, but i still think he has room for improvement as an admin, and im not gonna lie or pretend its ok if i see something wrong
2022-09-08 21:26:03	keir	vardo: #archlinux-offtopic
2022-09-08 21:26:13	vardo	Thanks keir
2022-09-08 21:26:20	jonathon	lolok: ok then :)
2022-09-08 21:26:37	Namarrgon	lolok: that doesn't mean that you have to inject yourself into the discussion
2022-09-08 21:26:43	jonathon	^
2022-09-08 21:27:05	lolok	yea so h4rd3n3d just gets railroaded by admins thats really nice
2022-09-08 21:27:45	MacGyver	vardo: Don't go there, 't is a silly place.
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2022-09-08 21:27:57	Namarrgon	lots of weirdos
2022-09-08 21:28:13	vardo	Sounds tempting
2022-09-08 21:28:16	teraflops	lolok: are you aware of h4rd3n3d contributions to e.g this channel?
2022-09-08 21:28:35	teraflops	because I have them on ignore for ages
2022-09-08 21:29:08	⚡ 	Psi-Jack sighs.
2022-09-08 21:29:19	teraflops	my guess is that you are using his issue as a pretext to criticize someone else
2022-09-08 21:29:28	lolok	yes teraflops, i have seen them make very insightful comments, being on and off here over the last maybe 5 years
2022-09-08 21:29:37	teraflops	lol
2022-09-08 21:29:38	teraflops	ok
2022-09-08 21:29:39	◣	savolla (~savolla@95.10.203.116) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2022-09-08 21:29:59	lolok	teraflops you would know, i mean, you arent ignoring them right?
2022-09-08 21:30:37	Namarrgon	anyway, take it up with the stupid ops, don't clog the channel up with non-technical drama
2022-09-08 21:31:00	vardo	"the stupid ops" lol I love this channel
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2022-09-08 21:31:28	lolok	!grab Namarrgon
2022-09-08 21:31:29	phrik	lolok: Bazinga!
2022-09-08 21:32:10	lolok	did phrik keep all the old grabs from freenode?
2022-09-08 21:32:19	MacGyver	Yes.
2022-09-08 21:32:31	Psi-Jack	Yep.
2022-09-08 21:32:44	Psi-Jack	Same bot, different network.
2022-09-08 21:32:47	MacGyver	To our detriment, phrik remembers all.
2022-09-08 21:33:12	lolok	ok, i know how to queue him for the list of grabs done to me, but how do i queue him for the list of things i grabbed from other people?
2022-09-08 21:33:57	MacGyver	Not sure you can.
2022-09-08 21:34:08	vardo	Sorry to interfere but what does that mean to queue him?
2022-09-08 21:34:21	lolok	pm with /QUERY 
2022-09-08 21:34:36	vardo	Thanks
2022-09-08 21:35:46	◣	rassawyer (~rassawyer@c-73-187-251-228.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2022-09-08 21:35:48	MacGyver	lolok: Looks like you can't @ https://docs.limnoria.net/use/plugins/QuoteGrabs.html
2022-09-08 21:35:50	phrik	Title: QuoteGrabs — Limnoria's documentation (at docs.limnoria.net)
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2022-09-08 21:36:51	lolok	RFI, or when i get the time and depend on the lang, maybe ill send a patch
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2022-09-08 21:38:05	◣	ultima (~ultima@23.81.113.229) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2022-09-08 21:38:34	◣	spare (~napt76uzd@user/spareproject) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-09-08 21:38:36	lolok	HA! found it anyway, my favorite quote
2022-09-08 21:38:44	vardo	Wow #aot is indeed a different planet
2022-09-08 21:38:51	lolok	!qsay 56762
2022-09-08 21:38:51	phrik	lolok: <JittersSnowpaw> lol ok then fuck you I don't need to come back anyway. Fuck you. Seriously, fuck you. Fuck you fuck you and fuck you. FUCK YOU.
2022-09-08 21:39:18	vardo	More like offworld than offtopic
2022-09-08 21:39:37	lolok	yea idk how its even possible to get a ban there
2022-09-08 21:39:57	vardo	lol
2022-09-08 21:40:07	lolok	maybe overt racism but i doubt he did that
2022-09-08 21:40:56	Edu4rdSHL	What if we keep this channel without ot things :p
2022-09-08 21:41:07	MacGyver	vardo: Don't say I didn't warn you.
2022-09-08 21:41:18	MacGyver	lolok: Maybe drop it if you weren't there.
2022-09-08 21:41:35	vardo	MacGyver, yes but still its fascinating
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2022-09-08 21:42:08	◣	cubo (~cubo@user/cubo) ha salido (Quit: cubo)
2022-09-08 21:43:12	vardo	Why do you go there yourself?
2022-09-08 21:43:47	MacGyver	vardo: Let's keep that talk in -offtopic :P
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2022-09-08 21:44:13	vardo	And is there an alternative to #aot or is this all?
2022-09-08 21:44:17	lolok	MacGyver pastebin it
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2022-09-08 21:46:28	◣	vxwarlock (~FallenElf@user/vxwarlock) ha abandonado #archlinux (Closing Window)
2022-09-08 21:46:47	MacGyver	lolok: I'm not going to proxy shit said in archlinux-offtopic by other people.
2022-09-08 21:46:55	MacGyver	lolok: And that's the last I'm going to say about this.
2022-09-08 21:50:41	◣	Midjak (~Midjak@82.66.147.146) ha salido (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
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2022-09-08 21:52:06	Psi-Jack	Heh. Hmm. I'm trying to figure out how far I can properly goe with getting macOS style keyboard bindings globally functional in XFCE. And specifically with a macOS-layout keyboard, because I have my Keychron K1 with macOS hardware switch. I can re-customize some things like tilix to use Super+C/Super+V, but other things like Super+Right, Super+Left, and heck even Super+{C,V,X} globally has
2022-09-08 21:52:06	Psi-Jack	been... Difficult.
2022-09-08 21:52:55	lolok	MacGyver well im not defending anything i didnt read, but that was never my intention anyway, i just mean to say that someone being banned doesnt make them wrong, it just means they were less powerful, and its preferable to try to be constructive in having a conversation, as long as all parties are still being rational
2022-09-08 21:53:25	MrElendig	Psi-Jack: also fun, you can't use naked super both to open the menu and use it for super+anythingelse
2022-09-08 21:53:53	Psi-Jack	Yeah, not really a concern I have, with XFCE, thankfully. 🙂
2022-09-08 21:54:16	Psi-Jack	I use Super+Space for ULauncher at least.
2022-09-08 21:54:19	lolok	thats why i couldnt use xfce as my daily
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2022-09-08 21:55:40	Psi-Jack	Then again, I finally found it again, kinto.sh, which isn't perfect. Or hadn't been in the past.
2022-09-08 21:57:24	bluetail	I almost wrote a question here cause there was something I could not find in 5 min on the wiki. I really should better myself
2022-09-08 21:57:25	◣	julie_pilgrim (~julie_pil@user/julie-pilgrim/x-1240752) ha salido (Quit: Client closed)
2022-09-08 21:57:31	◣	danisztls (~weechat@user/danisztls) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2022-09-08 21:57:33	◣	shibboleth (~shibbolet@user/shibboleth) ha salido (Quit: shibboleth)
2022-09-08 21:57:54	vardo	It is tempting to ask here directly
2022-09-08 21:58:01	◣	fweht (uid404746@id-404746.lymington.irccloud.com) ha salido (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2022-09-08 21:58:19	bluetail	But now that I used the command, I have a question
2022-09-08 21:58:41	bluetail	Do I always require to list the operators through a IRC bot?
2022-09-08 21:58:43	◣	sbradnick (~sbradnick@user/sbradnick) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.6)
2022-09-08 21:58:58	bluetail	(here phrik) might be someone else on other channel
2022-09-08 21:59:11	bluetail	IRC shows whos op here
2022-09-08 21:59:27	bluetail	but I want to know in others, too. I know theres a command for it but I didnt write it down
2022-09-08 21:59:45	another|	can list flags if they're public
2022-09-08 21:59:49	Namarrgon	/msg chanserv flags #archlinux list
2022-09-08 22:00:16	◥	ultima (~ultima@23.81.113.230) has joined #archlinux
2022-09-08 22:00:50	bluetail	This time I write it down
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2022-09-08 22:07:22	vardo	 /msg chanserv flags #archlinux list
2022-09-08 22:07:32	MrElendig	works better without the space
2022-09-08 22:07:39	vardo	Yeah sorry about that
2022-09-08 22:07:59	vardo	I closed hexchat main window, I will never get it
2022-09-08 22:08:04	vardo	I need to restard I guess
2022-09-08 22:08:07	vardo	brb
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2022-09-08 22:10:58	topcat001	vardo: if your machine is going into thermal shutdown with high cpu usage, then it is time to repaste/fix fans. This should never happen.
2022-09-08 22:11:37	topcat001	I used to build chrome on Gentoo and while it took forever the system was just fine.
2022-09-08 22:12:02	◥	throstur (~throstur@user/throstur) has joined #archlinux
2022-09-08 22:12:04	MrElendig	or its a macbook
2022-09-08 22:12:14	lolok	^
2022-09-08 22:12:16	MrElendig	(some of those are known to do it)
2022-09-08 22:12:19	topcat001	(It was a big desktop with plenty of cooling :))
2022-09-08 22:12:31	MrElendig	when not using macos that is
2022-09-08 22:12:53	vardo	topcat001, thermal shutdown? It does not shutdown it just gets hot
2022-09-08 22:13:06	topcat001	yeah I think on some of those the fans are software controlled
2022-09-08 22:13:10	MrElendig	because they rely on macos to handle the thermal management and only have a barebone implementation in the firmware
2022-09-08 22:13:22	topcat001	vardo: you said it "exploded"
2022-09-08 22:13:27	MrElendig	more about the voltages and clocks than fan control
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2022-09-08 22:13:53	vardo	topcat001, I exagerated, gnome stopped
2022-09-08 22:14:11	vardo	topcat001, all programs were killed but it did not reboot
2022-09-08 22:14:18	topcat001	I have ONE M1 mac and it stays on macos for the time being :)
2022-09-08 22:14:27	MrElendig	vardo: building in /tmp?
2022-09-08 22:14:30	topcat001	vardo: so was it OOM
2022-09-08 22:14:43	MrElendig	or just oom
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2022-09-09 19:01:56	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-09-09 19:01:56	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1429 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1428 normals)
2022-09-09 19:00:54	JustUni	So, you nettdamon has busybox.
2022-09-09 19:01:05	JustUni	and enjoys it
2022-09-09 19:01:56	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-09-09 19:03:30	◥	merdely (~merdely@user/merdely) has joined #archlinux
2022-09-09 19:04:10	JustUni	thats the gpt uuid i guess or something,
2022-09-09 19:04:37	Namarrgon	does blkid list it?
2022-09-09 19:04:46	B-|	susi: appreciate it
2022-09-09 19:05:18	nettdamon	JustUni, I use Mouse, TIC, evil.
2022-09-09 19:05:27	nettdamon	JustUni, That's about it.
2022-09-09 19:06:01	JustUni	yea that's a thing blkid lists
2022-09-09 19:06:04	susi	B-|: on the looks of apps, wm controls just window borders I think
2022-09-09 19:06:18	◣	rhoboat (~rhoboat@user/rhoboat) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.6)
2022-09-09 19:06:58	nettdamon	JustUni, just what. :-O
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2022-09-09 19:08:29	◣	fetzenfisch (~fetzenfis@user/fetzenfisch) ha salido ()
2022-09-09 19:08:32	◥	rhoboat (~rhoboat@user/rhoboat) has joined #archlinux
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2022-09-09 19:10:29	ℹ 	nettdamon es conocido ahora como Sheep1
2022-09-09 19:10:42	JustUni	argh its taking so long to put in, this router is the WORST
2022-09-09 19:11:07	Namarrgon	JustUni: PARTUUID and UUID are not interchangeable
2022-09-09 19:11:17	◣	thebombzen_ (~thebombze@35.2.219.147) ha salido (Quit: Quit)
2022-09-09 19:11:30	Namarrgon	you told the encrypt hook that it's supposed to be a UUID, so it looks in the wrong place for it
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2022-09-09 19:12:31	JustUni	yea.. ugh i forgot to take out quiet
2022-09-09 19:13:27	Sheep1	JustUni, use single instead
2022-09-09 19:13:50	◣	catman (~catman@user/catman) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.6)
2022-09-09 19:14:27	Scimmia	Sheep1: would you just stop?
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2022-09-09 19:15:26	JustUni	hmm still not booting, but why?
2022-09-09 19:15:29	◥	swodig112 (~swodig112@user/swodig112) has joined #archlinux
2022-09-09 19:15:36	Namarrgon	what did you do?
2022-09-09 19:15:47	◣	ryzenda (~ryzenda@pool-74-98-227-148.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net) ha salido (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
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2022-09-09 19:16:12	JustUni	uuid changed
2022-09-09 19:16:33	JustUni	to 793c95c9...
2022-09-09 19:16:48	Namarrgon	did you generate a new grub.cfg afterwards?
2022-09-09 19:16:52	JustUni	yip
2022-09-09 19:16:52	◣	kyc (~kyc@user/kyc) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2022-09-09 19:17:00	Namarrgon	post grub.cfg and the blkid output
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2022-09-09 19:18:42	Bwanda	alsamixer no sound on laptop speakers. youtube works but with fibble sound
2022-09-09 19:18:42	Scimmia	JustUni: so the error changed?
2022-09-09 19:18:49	JustUni	only the uuid
2022-09-09 19:18:52	JustUni	same thing
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2022-09-09 19:19:59	Bwanda	http://pastie.org/p/5iFUNKuxB04KrVeAgRIjKh/raw
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2022-09-09 19:24:03	JustUni	https://pastebin.com/m04p3uDC
2022-09-09 19:24:04	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/ofxS.taxH0JY8
2022-09-09 19:24:05	phrik	Title: ## DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE## It is automatically generated by grub-mkconfig - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-09-09 19:25:34	Namarrgon	remove the "device-" bit from the UUID
2022-09-09 19:25:44	JustUni	ookey dokey
2022-09-09 19:25:53	Namarrgon	where did you see that being used?
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2022-09-09 19:27:32	JustUni	probably copied a little too much
2022-09-09 19:27:36	JustUni	and the placeholder got in lol
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2022-09-09 19:28:49	JustUni	device- is in italics therefore user error, not bad manual.
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2022-09-09 19:30:10	JustUni	Btw where are keymaps stored?
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2022-09-09 19:32:29	gloomy	Hey, I'm reading through https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_boot_process
2022-09-09 19:32:30	phrik	Title: Arch boot process - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-09-09 19:32:46	gloomy	Don't fully understand the section on initramfs
2022-09-09 19:33:16	Namarrgon	JustUni: for the vt? /usr/share/kbd
2022-09-09 19:33:30	gloomy	"The root file system at / starts out as an empty rootfs, which is a special instance of ramfs or tmpfs." -> the root file system is not usually a ramfs/tmpfs is it? That's only in the easly boot stage?
2022-09-09 19:33:39	gloomy	early*
2022-09-09 19:33:54	Namarrgon	right
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2022-09-09 19:35:03	gloomy	So during "early boot" the root fs is actually a tmpfs and then at some point that tmpfs is unmounted and the actual "/" is mounted?  
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2022-09-09 19:35:43	Namarrgon	first the real / is mounted, then switch_root happens, then the content of the early-/ is deleted
2022-09-09 19:35:50	Erus_Iluvatar	gloomy: last sentence of https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_boot_process#Early_userspace
2022-09-09 19:35:52	phrik	Title: Arch boot process - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-09 19:35:58	Erus_Iluvatar	At the final stage of early userspace, the real root is mounted at /sysroot, and then switched to. The late userspace starts by executing the init program from the real root file system. 
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2022-09-09 19:36:30	gloomy	Erus_Iluvatar: Ah, didn't make it to the next section :D Thanks, will keep reading
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2022-09-09 19:37:11	ℹ 	Sheep1 es conocido ahora como xeyes
2022-09-09 19:37:23	JustUni	thank you so much Namarrgon, probably would have never spotted that lol.
2022-09-09 19:37:29	ℹ 	xeyes es conocido ahora como XEyes
2022-09-09 19:37:39	ℹ 	XEyes es conocido ahora como xEyes
2022-09-09 19:37:46	gloomy	Namarrgon: Ah yes I read about that switch_root. Thanks it's starting to fall into place.
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2022-09-09 20:08:12	Bwanda	bluetooth sound is breaking ? neeed help
2022-09-09 20:08:15	Bwanda	?
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2022-09-09 20:10:42	keir	Bwanda: you might help yourself by being more descriptive.
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2022-09-09 20:11:19	Bwanda	the sound is breaking on headphones
2022-09-09 20:11:55	dav1d	Bwanda, that is not a very descriptive description
2022-09-09 20:12:07	dav1d	I had luck with pipewire, if you're still on pulse
2022-09-09 20:12:11	alad	there is more than 1 style of headphones on the planet
2022-09-09 20:12:35	Erus_Iluvatar	breaking how? intermittent? no sound? 
2022-09-09 20:12:44	gehidore	alad lies!
2022-09-09 20:12:44	Erus_Iluvatar	used to work before and now it does not? 
2022-09-09 20:12:50	alad	gehidore: are you an apple user?!
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2022-09-09 20:13:01	gehidore	only their subwoofer
2022-09-09 20:13:04	⚡ 	gehidore sees himself out
2022-09-09 20:13:11	alad	lol
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2022-09-09 20:16:41	Bwanda	everything is working fine but i do not know why sounds is fibbling?
2022-09-09 20:18:00	Erus_Iluvatar	!define fibbling
2022-09-09 20:18:01	phrik	Erus_Iluvatar: No definition for "fibbling" could be found in english
2022-09-09 20:18:16	Bwanda	i mean its cutting the sound between
2022-09-09 20:18:23	ℹ 	xEyes es conocido ahora como Cere0
2022-09-09 20:18:25	Cere0	for karma
2022-09-09 20:18:56	Cere0	and space for breathing
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2022-09-09 20:21:49	keir	Bwanda: have you tried different bluetooth headphones?
2022-09-09 20:22:07	Bwanda	nope
2022-09-09 20:22:17	Bwanda	this is new one
2022-09-09 20:23:15	Bwanda	headphones are working now not mys sound from latop
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2022-09-09 20:23:25	txtsd	How do I get unbound to run this script from its upstream repo? https://github.com/NLnetLabs/unbound/blob/master/contrib/warmup.sh
2022-09-09 20:24:04	keir	Bwanda: i think we've been clear "not working" isn't descriptive.
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2022-09-09 20:45:12	ℹ 	Lord_of_Life_ es conocido ahora como Lord_of_Life
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2022-09-09 20:45:37	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-09-09 20:45:38	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1428 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1427 normals)
2022-09-09 20:45:40	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-09-09 21:02:47	sdisavona	How do you use a pastebin-like thing from archlinux live install media? In order to copy paste stuff to other places, like forums etc. I remember having read a wiki article or forum thread but I can't Google-fu it.
2022-09-09 21:03:03	teraflops	!paste
2022-09-09 21:03:03	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-09-09 21:03:11	teraflops	!ix
2022-09-09 21:03:12	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-09-09 21:04:26	Edu4rdSHL	!rs
2022-09-09 21:04:27	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2022-09-09 21:04:27	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-09-09 21:04:27	sdisavona	Perfect!
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2022-09-09 21:07:18	glitsj16	txtsd: near the bottom that shell script refers to unbound_cache.sh, so you'll need that too (also in the contrib dir)... and in turn that relies on unbound-control to execute... after checking/editing the variables in the latter one you could add it to the unbound.service with an ExecStartPost i'd guess... tl;dr you have a bit of work to do there
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2022-09-09 21:18:19	txtsd	glitsj16: Thanks for the directions!
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2022-09-09 21:21:57	Xenix	lo
2022-09-09 21:22:02	ℹ 	Xenix es conocido ahora como Chargen
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2022-09-09 21:23:21	glitsj16	txtsd: you're welcome, just be aware of the fact these scripts are a few years old and might need some freshing up, especially the MRU domains listed in warmup.sh
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2022-09-09 21:24:19	glitsj16	txtsd: basically add whatever domains you visit frequently and they'll get added
2022-09-09 21:24:50	txtsd	glitsj16: Yes, I'm building my own list. I won't be using those values.
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2022-09-09 21:26:01	glitsj16	txtsd: great, you're on to it then :-)
2022-09-09 21:27:07	ℹ 	justache es conocido ahora como justJingo
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2022-09-09 21:30:26	Chargen	when something is upgraded and pacman or nampac states "installed as ..pacnew" does this mean tha the original file is renewed or should this be done by   ren .pacnew to original,shorginital
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2022-09-09 21:30:38	Chargen	hey glitsj16 are you from NL
2022-09-09 21:30:48	Chargen	Non Linearity Land?
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2022-09-09 21:31:13	nurotic	I accidentally deleted pacman.conf file. How can I regenerate it? 
2022-09-09 21:31:51	another|	Chargen: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Pacnew_and_Pacsave
2022-09-09 21:31:52	phrik	Title: pacman/Pacnew and Pacsave - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-09 21:31:55	glitsj16	Chargen: hi, close, i'm just a throw stone away from NL
2022-09-09 21:31:55	Chargen	good question want to know stuff like that too
2022-09-09 21:32:00	artefact	extract it from /var/cache/pacman/pkg/pacman-*
2022-09-09 21:32:01	Chargen	phrik: Thank you!
2022-09-09 21:32:01	phrik	https://media.giphy.com/media/1Z02vuppxP1Pa/giphy.gif
2022-09-09 21:33:32	Chargen	irssi doesn't pick up urls   so next question is (without clipboard) how to grab that url; the last time I did that my homedir was packed for airdrop on #linux . so much pr0n
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2022-09-09 21:34:41	Chargen	o sweet jumpsuit jesus
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2022-09-10 18:13:41	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-09-10 18:13:41	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1412 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1411 normals)
2022-09-10 18:12:36	artefact	or journalctl -kb -gata
2022-09-10 18:13:41	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-09-10 18:14:27	kenwoodfox	I keep having a clicking sound from my speakers thats really, really annoying. as soon as i stop "playing sounds" it comes right back and starts clicking and buzzing, just enough to be annoying (Playing a silent audio file interestingly enough eliminates the sound)
2022-09-10 18:14:28	mefistofeles	artefact: it doesn't seem to be vandalism, seems very intended
2022-09-10 18:14:37	mefistofeles	now, why? That's a mystery
2022-09-10 18:14:54	kenwoodfox	ive found this exactly emulates the alsa power-saving mode thing but, i dont use alsa i use pipewire and i cant find docs that detail if its the same sort of thing??
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2022-09-10 18:14:59	kenwoodfox	what do i even do to diagnose
2022-09-10 18:15:00	susi	probably they upgraded the software, "NAME-YOUR-ANIMATION" seems like coming from some template
2022-09-10 18:15:19	mefistofeles	susi: it's just a css thing
2022-09-10 18:16:25	susi	>m (nl6720 asked me to make it blink)
2022-09-10 18:16:29	mefistofeles	lol
2022-09-10 18:16:32	susi	there's such an explanation
2022-09-10 18:16:33	mefistofeles	yeah, i saw that
2022-09-10 18:16:36	kenwoodfox	Like if i play this, it goes quiet: https://github.com/anars/blank-audio/blob/master/1-hour-of-silence.mp3
2022-09-10 18:16:51	susi	nl6720: so is this a new accessibility feature
2022-09-10 18:16:56	kenwoodfox	and then exactly 6000ms after closing it, clicking again.
2022-09-10 18:17:02	susi	kinda nice, let it be
2022-09-10 18:17:09	kenwoodfox	i feel like im going insane :<
2022-09-10 18:20:31	Edu4rdSHL	How that red blink supposedly help people with accessibility problems?
2022-09-10 18:20:43	Edu4rdSHL	I just see it damn annoying and unhelpful 
2022-09-10 18:21:19	susi	makes it easier to see where a new section begins!
2022-09-10 18:21:19	◣	Warepire (~warepire@user/Warepire) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2022-09-10 18:21:36	NetSysFire	Edu4rdSHL: dont worry, we will get bored eventually
2022-09-10 18:22:36	Edu4rdSHL	susi, I think that having the new section title in h2 is already more helpful that this new thing but ok :p
2022-09-10 18:22:40	NetSysFire	so sit back and enjoy the fireworks while they last
2022-09-10 18:22:48	Edu4rdSHL	NetSysFire, hehehe
2022-09-10 18:22:58	NetSysFire	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2056745
2022-09-10 18:22:59	phrik	Title: chapter & section numbers blinking red / Forum & Wiki discussion / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-09-10 18:23:29	Edu4rdSHL	I mean, I don't have much problem with this and if it's really helpful then it should remain, but I just do not see it that way 
2022-09-10 18:23:52	NetSysFire	also now its bananas if f5
2022-09-10 18:24:05	mefistofeles	wait, why are tests being done on the actual production wiki?
2022-09-10 18:24:10	mefistofeles	that's even more concerning :P
2022-09-10 18:24:18	imp	Realy lost. During installation last step, grub install, installing grub is failing. Complaining with GRUB can only e installed in  this setup by using blocklists. error will not proceed withj blocklists.
2022-09-10 18:24:25	NetSysFire	mefistofeles: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&diff=next&oldid=745617
2022-09-10 18:24:26	phrik	Title: MediaWiki:Common.css: Difference between revisions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-10 18:24:56	Edu4rdSHL	imp, post the full error log
2022-09-10 18:25:03	mefistofeles	NetSysFire: what is going on?
2022-09-10 18:25:12	Edu4rdSHL	And what's the command you're running 
2022-09-10 18:25:17	NetSysFire	mefistofeles: the wiki team is having fun
2022-09-10 18:25:19	NetSysFire	blame nl6720
2022-09-10 18:25:27	Edu4rdSHL	mefistofeles, bassically that it's intentional and it is not a test :p
2022-09-10 18:25:27	mefistofeles	are theyd runk? haha
2022-09-10 18:25:31	imp	Edu4rdSHL: command: grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sda
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2022-09-10 18:26:26	Edu4rdSHL	imp, why i386-efi
2022-09-10 18:26:29	imp	Edu4rdSHL: returns: Installing for i386-pc platform. Warning: this gpt partition label contains no bios boot partition; embedding wont be possible. embedidngi s not possible. grub can only be installed in this setup bu uing blocklists. however, blocklists are unreliable and their use is discouraged.. error will not proceed with blocklists.
2022-09-10 18:26:32	Edu4rdSHL	imp, why i386-pc *
2022-09-10 18:26:34	gaku	hrm, that reminds me that my mkgrub doesn't support i386-pc at all… but then again my laptop doesn't support it
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2022-09-10 18:26:56	gaku	imp: do you have UEFI? if so, use UEFI
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2022-09-10 18:27:17	imp	Edu4rdSHL: I do have uefi.
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2022-09-10 18:27:35	Edu4rdSHL	ñThen use the command for installations on UEFI
2022-09-10 18:28:12	imp	Edu4rdSHL: ok.. was really following mbr instructions. Now I noticed. Thanks.
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2022-09-10 18:28:26	Edu4rdSHL	\o/
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2022-09-10 18:29:21	gaku	someone here knows grub fu, and can explain me if an output of grub-mkimage i386-pc can be booted in BIOS?
2022-09-10 18:29:24	imp	I do not do linux installs anymore. I was sysadmin 10 years ago.. now. just scientist. I only install linux once a year.. or less.. I do not remember every think or know every new changes or details. thanks.
2022-09-10 18:29:35	kenwoodfox	This sounds like my problem but i dont have this file :/ https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/issues/1801 i only have a client.conf and no suspend directive
2022-09-10 18:29:38	phrik	Title: Buzzing sound when audio is inactive (#1801) · Issues · PipeWire / pipewire · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2022-09-10 18:30:05	gaku	like, i know i could technically use a different bootloader and chainload it… but i just don't know if i can yeet the output into a BIOS_BOOT_PARTITION and it will magically work
2022-09-10 18:30:35	lolok	gaku having BIOS and being 32 bit are not mutually required
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2022-09-10 18:31:02	gaku	lolok: ik, 32 bit is not my focus, just an example
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2022-09-10 18:31:46	gaku	the question is, if i can load an output of grub-mkimage intended for bios boot, without requiring chainload
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2022-09-10 18:32:21	ℹ 	raym_ es conocido ahora como raym
2022-09-10 18:32:31	lolok	afaik as long as the image is made on the same machine it should be fine
2022-09-10 18:32:40	gaku	since i have a tiny tool that installs grub in a different wae, supporting nonsense like split and or encrypted /boot, but since i have no clue what to do for bios, i just stuck on making it work for uefi
2022-09-10 18:32:48	lolok	in fact im not even sure thats required
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2022-09-10 18:33:25	lolok	if theres nothing valuable on there yet TIAS
2022-09-10 18:34:02	gaku	hrm, i wonder how does grub-install does it…
2022-09-10 18:34:46	gaku	i'm sure it makes the image, tho idk if it just yeets it at the mbr or bbp, or does something special to it like solomon whatever was that called
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2022-09-10 18:36:24	kenwoodfox	Im just gonna play the 1hr of silence track on loop, there has to be a away to diagnose this, pw-top shows everything perfectly happy, and i modprobed my hda driver to disable power saving features
2022-09-10 18:36:31	lolok	well if you can read c you can find out for sure, but afaik it just selects what it thinks your system needs from its library of hacks and shoves it on the mbr, i dont think that changes on where its going
2022-09-10 18:38:09	gaku	lemme just create a loop and do a grub-install to it…
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2022-09-10 18:47:35	Charged[`	Hey guys, I recently was trying to clean my home directory, and accidentally deleted my .Xauthority file. I've updated and restarted my machine, but I can't login to my window manager anymore. Could someone help me fix this?
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2022-09-10 18:48:12	gaku	Charged[`: that file should be created on login
2022-09-10 18:48:21	Charged[`	It wasn't generated.
2022-09-10 18:48:31	Edu4rdSHL	Deleting that file wouldn't cause any problem
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2022-09-10 18:48:46	vardo	!bananas
2022-09-10 18:48:46	phrik	http://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/happy.png
2022-09-10 18:49:04	Charged[`	Well, I did export a new variable in my Fish config, trying to get the Xauthority file somewhere else.
2022-09-10 18:49:19	◣	nitdega (~nitdega@user/nitdega) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
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2022-09-10 18:49:50	Edu4rdSHL	XY problem
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2022-09-10 18:50:23	gaku	lolok: oh, its simple, after making the image i just need to do a grub-bios-setup call, adding some args i could get away with my nonsense
2022-09-10 18:50:56	Charged[`	 Wdym by "XY problem"?
2022-09-10 18:50:58	Psi-Jack	Charged[`: Well, check your logs.
2022-09-10 18:51:10	Psi-Jack	Charged[`: He means, you have problem X, you think it's Y.
2022-09-10 18:51:38	lolok	gaku 👍
2022-09-10 18:51:43	◣	KeKou (~KeKou@221.237.38.173) ha salido (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds))
2022-09-10 18:51:44	Edu4rdSHL	Charged[`, that you came here saying that deleting .Xauthority is giving you issues, then that you exported a new variably in fish...
2022-09-10 18:51:51	artefact	!xy
2022-09-10 18:51:51	phrik	What exactly are you trying to do? http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=542341
2022-09-10 18:52:00	Edu4rdSHL	Delete that variable then
2022-09-10 18:52:10	Charged[`	Well, I was trying to clean my home directory with XDG Ninja, which told me to do that.
2022-09-10 18:52:16	Charged[`	And yeah, I deleted the variabe.
2022-09-10 18:52:19	Charged[`	Variable*
2022-09-10 18:52:47	Edu4rdSHL	Pretty sure the error is another thing
2022-09-10 18:52:55	Edu4rdSHL	Why do you think it's that file?
2022-09-10 18:54:04	Charged[`	Because after doing this, I wasn't able to open any programs, so I used my open terminal to run Alacritty, but it gave me an error regarding X, and Xauthority was the only change I made that I thought was related.
2022-09-10 18:54:34	Edu4rdSHL	Share the journal logs just after the login fails
2022-09-10 18:54:50	Charged[`	I'm writing this from a TTY, so I'll have to wait till I can SSH from another device.
2022-09-10 18:55:02	Edu4rdSHL	You can do that from a TTY
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2022-09-10 18:55:07	Charged[`	You can?
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2022-09-10 18:55:13	Edu4rdSHL	!rs
2022-09-10 18:55:14	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2022-09-10 18:55:27	Edu4rdSHL	journalctl -r -b |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2022-09-10 18:55:28	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2022-09-10 18:55:30	Edu4rdSHL	Then share the link
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2022-09-10 19:01:31	Charged[`	https://paste.rs/zAD
2022-09-10 19:01:39	Charged[`	I'm not sure if that'll work.
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2022-09-10 19:03:40	Edu4rdSHL	Charged[`, your home is /home/charged, right?
2022-09-10 19:03:59	Edu4rdSHL	Does $HOME/.Xauthority exists?
2022-09-10 19:04:32	Edu4rdSHL	Also, is that ArchLinux or ArcoLinux?
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2022-09-10 19:05:27	Charged[`	Yes, it is.
2022-09-10 19:05:34	Charged[`	This is ArcoLinux.
2022-09-10 19:05:53	Charged[`	And no, $HOME/.Xauthority doesn't exist.
2022-09-10 19:06:13	Edu4rdSHL	Well, it's the ArchLinux channel, you may want to ask ArcoLinux support for it
2022-09-10 19:07:17	Charged[`	Yeah I know, but I thought this issue wouldn't be distro-related.
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2022-09-10 19:07:52	NetSysFire	we dont support any arch derivative here
2022-09-10 19:07:59	NetSysFire	!notarch
2022-09-10 19:08:00	phrik	https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
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2022-09-10 19:08:44	Charged[`	Oh.
2022-09-10 19:08:50	Charged[`	In that case, I'll leave.
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2022-09-10 19:12:29	teraflops	first time I heard of arco linux
2022-09-10 19:12:40	vardo	Second time here
2022-09-10 19:12:52	vardo	Just went to distrowatch
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2022-09-10 19:16:37	imp	everything installed and configured. =) thank you all
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2022-09-10 19:17:29	Edu4rdSHL	Time to break it
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2022-09-10 19:19:44	imp	h4rd3n3d: =). I'm installing this archlinux to a friend of mine. Mine was installed 3 years ago. This is my second arch installation.
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2022-09-10 19:20:47	Psi-Jack	imp: Hmmm. If one is to use Arch Linux, they should install it themselves. If they cannot, they should not be using Arch Linux for they are not knowleable enough to do so. 🙂
2022-09-10 19:20:56	imp	I really enjoyed arch quality and the rolling distribution.
2022-09-10 19:21:10	imp	Psi-Jack: I think that arch is a easy distribution, after installed. 
2022-09-10 19:21:57	imp	Psi-Jack: we don't have any other simple rolling distributions. All other are copies of arch (not good), and gentoo.. that I pass for endusers.
2022-09-10 19:21:59	Psi-Jack	So you think pacman -S package, or pacman -Syu package, but not pacman -Sy package, is "Easy?"
2022-09-10 19:22:09	artefact	yes?
2022-09-10 19:22:11	imp	Psi-Jack: gnome-software-center is. 
2022-09-10 19:22:16	Psi-Jack	imp: Well, there's opensuse TW
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2022-09-10 19:22:27	Psi-Jack	imp: Yeah, that can break systems. 🙂
2022-09-10 19:22:46	teraflops	debian testing or sid are rolling
2022-09-10 19:22:49	imp	Psi-Jack: I had my time with Suse. Dont like lizards.
2022-09-10 19:22:56	imp	teraflops: no they are not.
2022-09-10 19:23:06	teraflops	they are 
2022-09-10 19:23:11	bookworm	they freeze whenever a release happens
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2022-09-10 19:23:35	Psi-Jack	testing freezes anyway.
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2022-09-10 19:23:54	imp	if there are freezes. they are not rolling.
2022-09-10 19:24:07	teraflops	you keep testing or sid in the sources list forever
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2022-09-10 19:24:12	teraflops	that's pretty rolling to me
2022-09-10 19:24:21	bookworm	that's not what we are referring to
2022-09-10 19:24:32	bookworm	debian explicitly doesn't allow new packages in that time
2022-09-10 19:24:45	bookworm	so it's a stop the world kind of thing
2022-09-10 19:25:11	imp	teraflops: I have been using debian in the last 20 years. I don't feel sid rolling. and sid quality is far lower than Archlinux. SID often breaks.
2022-09-10 19:25:27	Psi-Jack	imp: Yeah, I wouldn't recommend opensuse either. They've failed to keep me impressed for too long.
2022-09-10 19:25:32	vardo	imp +1
2022-09-10 19:25:38	teraflops	are we talking about our feelings?
2022-09-10 19:25:46	teraflops	lol
2022-09-10 19:25:57	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, people already explained that ir freezes, it isn't a feeling, it's a fact
2022-09-10 19:25:59	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-09-10 19:26:02	Edu4rdSHL	it *
2022-09-10 19:26:26	imp	Edu4rdSHL: +1 ;-)
2022-09-10 19:27:18	teraflops	well you all are wrong, what can I say?
2022-09-10 19:27:40	vardo	teraflops, that you are the only one left
2022-09-10 19:27:56	Edu4rdSHL	"You all are wrong", haha
2022-09-10 19:28:19	Psi-Jack	But, I also don't use gnome-software-center. When I decided to go back to arch I decided to use mostly the basics, kalu for updates, though I wish kalu would stop sending me notifications with full-screen apps running. A big ass package list while playing Doom just doesn't benefit me. Maybe though this is an XFCE notify issue though.
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2022-09-10 19:28:45	lolok	wat? youre all *are* wrong, obviously its both, if you have 'uster' in your apt config its versioned, if you have 'stable' its rolling...
2022-09-10 19:28:57	lolok	s/uster/buster/
2022-09-10 19:28:57	imp	Psi-Jack: I do not use gnome-software-center. But for endusers and flatpaks I think that is good enough.
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2022-09-10 19:29:50	Psi-Jack	imp: Hmmmm... Flatpaks are definite whole new animal of problem points, actually. Especially in regards to following theming.
2022-09-10 19:30:13	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: ;)
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2022-09-10 19:30:56	Edu4rdSHL	Who use pacman packages or flatpaks when we have snaps
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2022-09-10 19:31:06	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL runs
2022-09-10 19:31:13	imp	Psi-Jack: themeing isn't them ain concern. I really don't like they have a whole isolated filesystem (by design) and it's problematic to access user data.
2022-09-10 19:31:14	⚡ 	Psi-Jack grabs his machette and chases.
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2022-09-10 19:32:05	jelle	imp: for that there are portals
2022-09-10 19:32:06	Psi-Jack	imp: When I was using Fedora, I had ultimately moved all my GUI apps to Flatpak, as much of them as I could.
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2022-09-10 19:32:35	imp	Psi-Jack: i think you were a sad person.
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2022-09-10 19:33:23	jelle	imp: play nice
2022-09-10 19:33:36	imp	but I understand. RPMs are depressive.
2022-09-10 19:33:54	imp	jelle: sorry. It was meant as a joke, not a bully. Really sorry.
2022-09-10 19:34:24	vardo	Hello hello. Is there a way to scale down everything in gnome as if screen resolution was higher? I only find text scaling
2022-09-10 19:34:41	imp	vardo: there is dpi scaling
2022-09-10 19:35:02	Psi-Jack	imp: I prefer rpm to .deb, so much that the one time I got to meet Ian Murdock himself, I told him I hated the deb package format. 🙂
2022-09-10 19:35:08	vardo	imp thanks
2022-09-10 19:35:21	jelle	Psi-Jack: how mature of you :)
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2022-09-10 19:36:14	vardo	imp do you mean going through HiDPI or something else?
2022-09-10 19:36:25	vardo	imp because I have the exact opposite need
2022-09-10 19:36:35	imp	vardo: yes. there is no options of 0.5scale? 
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2022-09-10 19:37:27	vardo	imp still reading... I only found patches for fractional scaling
2022-09-10 19:37:36	imp	i really never used in that direction. but I think is reasonable and should not be a problem. In the past gnome had only integers scaling. But now it does fractional.
2022-09-10 19:37:41	imp	0.5 is fractional 
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2022-09-10 19:38:49	vardo	Just to be clear, is that the right wiki? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/HiDPI#GNOME
2022-09-10 19:38:51	phrik	Title: HiDPI - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-10 19:38:53	Charged[`	I ended up fixing my issue, turns out I needed a reboot after removing the variables.
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2022-09-10 19:39:47	artefact	wiki titles are still f'd up lmao. how unprofessionnal
2022-09-10 19:40:18	TestingPlant	I'm trying to use audacity but the gui is broken: https://i.imgur.com/Prymu7i.png
2022-09-10 19:40:41	TestingPlant	also occurs when i create a new user with useradd --create-home [username] and run audacity in the new user so I don't think it's a config issue
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2022-09-10 19:42:45	Edu4rdSHL	Looks like a theming issue
2022-09-10 19:43:08	Edu4rdSHL	It works just fine here
2022-09-10 19:43:12	gehidore	artefact someone goof the css?
2022-09-10 19:43:23	gehidore	or your browser goof it
2022-09-10 19:43:37	Edu4rdSHL	gehidore, it was an intentional change
2022-09-10 19:43:39	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-09-10 19:44:13	Edu4rdSHL	https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?diff=745617
2022-09-10 19:44:14	phrik	Title: MediaWiki:Common.css: Difference between revisions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-09-10 19:44:44	Edu4rdSHL	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2056745#p2056745
2022-09-10 19:44:45	phrik	Title: chapter & section numbers blinking red / Forum & Wiki discussion / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-09-10 19:44:50	Edu4rdSHL	Nothing to worry :)
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2022-09-10 19:45:47	Edu4rdSHL	People is so dramatic these days
2022-09-10 19:45:53	artefact	now it's bananae
2022-09-10 19:46:25	gehidore	and someone threw banana in there... so it's intentional sabotage nonsense
2022-09-10 19:46:26	vardo	Adding some yellow to the wiki is good imho, everything else is blue
2022-09-10 19:46:56	imp	for older (not too old) computers, pipewire of pulseaudio? 
2022-09-10 19:46:56	nl6720	vardo++
2022-09-10 19:47:03	gehidore	evil admins
2022-09-10 19:47:05	gehidore	:)
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2022-09-10 19:47:21	glitsj16	intentional or not, the rationale behind that CSS change is missing in action
2022-09-10 19:47:33	gehidore	it says why, someone asked for it
2022-09-10 19:47:43	glitsj16	right lol
2022-09-10 19:48:02	lolok	TestingPlant do you have 'large text' or 'font scaling' in your DE enabled?
2022-09-10 19:48:21	Psi-Jack	jelle: Hey, he was surprised, but was not insulted, just said not everything is for everyone. 🙂
2022-09-10 19:48:26	teraflops	wht's wrong with the wiki, the yellow thing? https://paste.priet.us/eCfv.png
2022-09-10 19:48:44	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, I just posted the relevant links...
2022-09-10 19:48:54	nl6720	the style change is so that you can see that the number is not part of the section title
2022-09-10 19:49:04	teraflops	it's a yellow fish
2022-09-10 19:49:42	vardo	teraflops, its in line with the wiki IRC channel, apparently
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2022-09-10 19:50:05	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: dude you want me to read all that stuff?
2022-09-10 19:50:12	glitsj16	nl6720: couldn't one give it a different color instead of those iriitating blinking animation?
2022-09-10 19:50:33	vardo	glitsj16, its not blinking anymore, is it?
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2022-09-10 19:50:53	gehidore	it's a bananananana now
2022-09-10 19:50:54	gehidore	or was
2022-09-10 19:50:55	nl6720	caching issue probably 
2022-09-10 19:51:20	glitsj16	vardo: dunno, i have a user-css on the wiki anyway, just added another rule to have it like before
2022-09-10 19:51:21	TestingPlant	lolok: no
2022-09-10 19:51:31	vardo	I assume it is a unicode banana since we got different pictures of it
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2022-09-10 19:52:06	teraflops	🍌 yes
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2022-09-10 19:53:35	TestingPlant	how'd I check my qt theming configuration? "env | grep QT" doesn't show anything, and this is on a new user account so there shouldn't be any config files
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2022-09-10 19:54:23	glitsj16	nl6720: looks much nicer on the eyes now, thanks for fixing things
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2022-09-10 19:54:45	nl6720	🍌
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2022-09-10 19:56:58	lolok	TestingPlant you use qt5ct or qt6ct but audacity seems to have its own theming things
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2022-09-10 20:26:17	yamii	why are there bananas in the wiki section headings?
2022-09-10 20:26:47	nl6720	you're just imagining it
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2022-09-10 20:27:19	yamii	dont make me question my sanity plz :D
2022-09-10 20:27:31	nl6720	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2056755#p2056755
2022-09-10 20:27:32	phrik	Title: chapter & section numbers blinking red / Forum & Wiki discussion / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2022-09-10 20:30:44	yamii	well duh
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2022-09-10 20:31:57	gehidore	Tribly moody as always
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2022-09-10 20:35:13	ℹ 	aiyion1 es conocido ahora como aiyion
2022-09-10 20:35:23	mefistofeles	gehidore: they are not wrong :P
2022-09-10 20:35:47	jujudusud	Hi foxxx0, Hi everyone, the 'dsp' package from community repo is in the wrong package group. There is typo in the group name. It is called "lasdpa" instead of "ladspa".
2022-09-10 20:35:54	gehidore	oh I made no statement about right or wrong, just mood :)
2022-09-10 20:36:27	mefistofeles	gehidore: yeah, I was just adding that to your remark 
2022-09-10 20:36:32	mefistofeles	:P
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2022-09-10 20:39:39	mefistofeles	jujudusud: hmm so it seems, I wonder if there is a way to check what actual groups exist
2022-09-10 20:40:19	mefistofeles	https://archlinux.org/groups/ 
2022-09-10 20:40:20	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Groups (at archlinux.org)
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2022-09-10 20:40:39	mefistofeles	you can see the lasdpa-plugins with 1 member xD
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2022-09-10 20:41:54	eoli3n	bananas
2022-09-10 20:41:55	mefistofeles	so I guess this are just created on the fly and not checked against some previous knowledge or so
2022-09-10 20:42:00	mefistofeles	*these
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2022-09-10 20:44:30	jujudusud	Thanks mefistofeles.
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2022-09-10 20:45:37	mefistofeles	jujudusud: You can also report the bug in arch's bug tracker, fwiw
2022-09-10 20:46:53	jujudusud	the packager is here. let me just ping him. He certainly will respond has soon possible.
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2022-09-10 20:53:12	cyphertite	jujudusud:  right on:  there's a lot of great, and responsive, devs hanging about :)
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2022-09-11 10:54:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-09-11 10:54:46	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1394 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1393 normals)
2022-09-11 10:53:55	moonsilver	worked fine with https instead of git://
2022-09-11 10:54:46	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-09-11 10:55:50	rcf	\o/
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2022-09-11 10:57:41	mpan	GH is not supporting the unauthenticated, cleartext git protocol for a year now.
2022-09-11 10:57:59	artefact	sorry if it's too off-topic, but where can i buy a non-overpriced programmable totp token in .eu?
2022-09-11 10:58:32	mpan	https://github.blog/2021-09-01-improving-git-protocol-security-github/
2022-09-11 10:58:33	phrik	Title: Improving Git protocol security on GitHub | The GitHub Blog (at github.blog)
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2022-09-11 10:59:11	moonsilver	now i have to solve https:// with git clone with aur/yay because it connects with git:// also...
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2022-09-11 11:00:28	moonsilver	had the same problem with yay it connected with cleartext instead of https
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2022-09-11 11:03:38	el_sjaako	There's something weird going on with torbrowser-launcher on my system. It gives a python error, ending on "No such file or directory: '/home/[...]/tor-browser_en-US/start-tor-browser.desktop'"
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2022-09-11 11:04:17	el_sjaako	But that file exists, and when I try to run it I get a different error "The file specified the interpreter '/usr/bin/env ./Browser/execdesktop', which is not an executable command."
2022-09-11 11:04:27	Zetta1Reid0	Hello i have a problem with matching version while compiling kernel modules,So my 'uname -r' says: 5.19.7-zen2-1-zen so my Extra version should be -zen2 and LOCALVERSION should be -1-zen right ?
2022-09-11 11:04:49	el_sjaako	But then if I do "env ./Browser/execdesktop start-tor-browser.desktop" tor browser just starts
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2022-09-11 11:05:34	artefact	Zetta1Reid0: localversion comes at the very end yes
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2022-09-11 11:06:43	el_sjaako	I don't know how to troubleshoot this further (how can python not find the file?), and the fact that there are two issues that seem unrelated but both block execution seems very weird
2022-09-11 11:07:03	Zetta1Reid0	artefact:Yeah i tried it like that and i still get version mismatch.Thought when i load it with --force-vermagic it works fine.No errors.
2022-09-11 11:08:47	artefact	Zetta1Reid0: check with zgrep LOCALVERSION /proc/config.gz
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2022-09-11 11:09:31	Zetta1Reid0	artefact: string is empty
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2022-09-11 11:23:44	aod	hi guys
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2022-09-11 11:28:43	cc0a3hr	For not broking grub the main page recommends grub-install ... but we do like installing grub when installing arch first? like grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=esp --bootloader-id=GRUB?
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2022-09-11 11:31:47	mr_sm1th	Is it normal to see bananas in the Arch Linux wiki?! https://i.imgur.com/DjRj6MK.png
2022-09-11 11:31:49	ponies	cc0a3hr: yes. and your esp should be wherever you mounted the esp partition before you arch-chrooted. probably /boot
2022-09-11 11:32:14	ponies	mr_sm1th: normal is a broad spectrum 
2022-09-11 11:32:54	mr_sm1th	What is up with the banans? :D
2022-09-11 11:33:20	ponies	tbh, idk 
2022-09-11 11:33:25	artefact	don't ask💀
2022-09-11 11:33:49	mr_sm1th	don't ask, don't tell?
2022-09-11 11:34:10	cc0a3hr	grub-install won't broke customized grubs right?
2022-09-11 11:34:16	cc0a3hr	I did some changings
2022-09-11 11:34:27	ponies	it will 
2022-09-11 11:34:44	ponies	because it will overwrite grub.cfg
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2022-09-11 11:37:19	cc0a3hr	Ok the customizing can be gone, it will be like default grub right?
2022-09-11 11:37:26	cc0a3hr	I can customize later
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2022-09-11 11:42:45	mpan	mr_sm1th: bananas are a new tracking method. Instead of cookies, Arch uses bananas and depends on people reporting that on #archlinux.
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2022-09-11 11:47:34	GuiToris	hey, what are those bananas?
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2022-09-11 11:49:25	ponies	!grab GuiToris 
2022-09-11 11:49:25	phrik	ponies: Bingpot!
2022-09-11 11:49:33	ℹ 	Furor es conocido ahora como Colere
2022-09-11 11:49:53	DragoonAethis	foxxx0: re ceph: I see, thanks
2022-09-11 11:50:51	rcf	GuiToris: blame NetSysFire 
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2022-09-11 11:55:22	el_sjaako	Something on my system seems to be screwing with .desktop files. If I copy the start-tor-browser.desktop file to st.script, it runs fine. Anyone have a clue what this could be? I'm running i3 as desktop environment
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2022-09-11 11:56:03	cc0a3hr	!paste
2022-09-11 11:56:03	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-09-11 11:57:36	cc0a3hr	I got this after after my command grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader-id=GRUB https://paste.rs/yZ9
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2022-09-11 11:58:15	ponies	no it should be just "/boot" and it will find EFI automatically 
2022-09-11 11:58:31	ponies	oh ok 
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2022-09-11 11:59:36	cc0a3hr	ponies: did I something wrong on --target part?
2022-09-11 11:59:38	GuiToris	NetSysFire, I want papaya!
2022-09-11 11:59:57	ponies	no, unless your not running a 64 bit system
2022-09-11 12:00:32	cc0a3hr	then why it didn't worget
2022-09-11 12:00:34	cc0a3hr	worked
2022-09-11 12:00:39	cc0a3hr	I run 64 bit
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2022-09-11 12:01:29	ponies	cc0a3hr: check you mounted your disk and that it is formatted: $ mount | grep boot 
2022-09-11 12:01:34	bluetail	!rules
2022-09-11 12:01:34	phrik	https://coc.archlinux.org
2022-09-11 12:02:01	cc0a3hr	oh okay
2022-09-11 12:02:07	cc0a3hr	I did with sudo now it worked
2022-09-11 12:02:43	bluetail	What do I do against accusations of breaking the rules?
2022-09-11 12:03:12	ponies	lol what did you do? 
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2022-09-11 12:04:16	cc0a3hr	I did grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg then got https://paste.rs/uc9
2022-09-11 12:04:22	cc0a3hr	it's okay right?
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2022-09-11 12:05:45	ponies	yeah providing it has a kernel image and ramdisk 
2022-09-11 12:05:56	cc0a3hr	I will reboot now
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2022-09-11 12:06:04	bluetail	ponies I think the lobby here is not meant to discuss those things. If you want to know, you can privmsg me
2022-09-11 12:06:05	cc0a3hr	I hope everything will work
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2022-09-11 12:06:31	bluetail	I do not do gossip, either
2022-09-11 12:07:11	GuiToris	Has anyone else noticed that if I open a new page in chromium and type in the address, hit enter, it won't open the web page, it just deletes the URL and I can type it in again. It has been doing this for months.
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2022-09-11 12:07:56	ponies	GuiToris: no ? 
2022-09-11 12:08:12	GuiToris	you know that's not the right answer :D
2022-09-11 12:08:56	GuiToris	most of the time, I have to type it twice
2022-09-11 12:09:01	GuiToris	annoying as it is
2022-09-11 12:12:52	ponies	GuiToris: i mean you could just try deleting ~/.cache/chromium ~/.config/chromium and reinstalling from the repos 
2022-09-11 12:13:43	GuiToris	Press Ctrl+Shift+N, type pornhub.com as fast as you can (it's probably already in muscle memory), hit enter, and lo and behold, the requested webpage won't open
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2022-09-11 12:14:30	GuiToris	I don't know how to look up this issue, I hoped it was a common one
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2022-09-11 12:19:36	cyphertite_	GuiToris:  I run ungoogled-chromium without issue:  Version 105.0.5195.102 (Official Build, ungoogled-chromium) Arch Linux (64-bit)
2022-09-11 12:20:09	GuiToris	It's been doing this for about 2 months now
2022-09-11 12:20:44	GuiToris	I don't know if it's because I can type quickly
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2022-09-11 12:23:25	cyphertite_	if you want to try it, build it yourself or grab a binary from:  https://software.opensuse.org//download.html?project=home%3Ajustkidding%3Aarch&package=ungoogled-chromium
2022-09-11 12:23:25	phrik	Title: Install package home:justkidding:arch / ungoogled-chromium (at software.opensuse.org)
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2022-09-11 12:39:56	b0b	hi guys. crosspost from #mpv because it might be distro related: mpv stopped displaying video when opening youtube links - i get audio only. when downloading via yt-dlp first, it plays just fine. versions are yt-dlp 2022.09.01-1; mpv 1:0.34.1-5. any ideas? mpv.conf: http://0x0.st/of5_.txt
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2022-09-11 12:41:45	artefact	any error mesages in the 1st case?
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2022-09-11 12:43:54	artefact	not a fix, but you can work around with https://paste.debian.net/plainh/3ff68339
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2022-09-11 13:40:51	vukonen	How can I make pam_env run again to update environment variables after changing /etc/environment?
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2022-09-11 13:45:20	gaku	that's why using systemd environment.d is kinda preferable
2022-09-11 13:45:55	gaku	ofc it heavily depends on the setup
2022-09-11 13:46:23	Ti11theman	Thanks for the nice install guide on SELinux, does anyone have a working enforcing policy?
2022-09-11 13:46:29	◣	britney (~britney@2607:fea8:f21:3800::712f) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2022-09-11 13:47:30	vukonen	@gaku Thank you, I will check it out
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2022-09-11 13:50:04	vukonen	By "depends on the setup" do you mean distributions where systemd is not mandated or are there more problems it?
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2022-09-11 13:50:27	vukonen	more problems with it*
2022-09-11 13:50:28	gaku	vukonen: depends on the variable
2022-09-11 13:50:47	gaku	systemctl --user daemon-reload should trigger a variable reload for new services
2022-09-11 13:50:59	gaku	but if its for like, the same scope as your login session then a relogin is needed
2022-09-11 13:51:34	solsTiCe9	hi. is asp obsolete? if not, why did I get qemu 7.0-10 with it (from the 12th of may, while we are at 7.10-4 now?
2022-09-11 13:53:19	vukonen	@gaku In this case it's LIBVA_DRIVER_NAME to stop things trying to load iHD in addition to i965, so I guess login session scoped
2022-09-11 13:53:59	gaku	if that's your case, then yeah, must relogin
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2022-09-11 13:56:56	Namarrgon	solsTiCe9: did you update the repos?
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2022-09-11 14:03:54	solsTiCe9	yes.
2022-09-11 14:04:09	Namarrgon	"asp update && git pull"?
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2022-09-11 14:05:00	Namarrgon	asp creates a local copy of the remote repo and "asp checkout" uses that as the remote
2022-09-11 14:05:41	Namarrgon	if you don't update asp's copy then git pull will keep pulling from asp's stale clone
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2022-09-11 14:07:19	solsTiCe9	no. ok. I finf out. It was because of atom. I had to untrack it. and the update completed sucessfully this time. I did not even se at first it was failing. 
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2022-09-11 14:07:41	solsTiCe9	asp could be more "user-friendly"
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2022-09-11 14:08:10	Namarrgon	in which way?
2022-09-11 14:09:04	solsTiCe9	never mind
2022-09-11 14:09:16	ℹ 	solsTiCe9 es conocido ahora como solsTiCe
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2022-09-11 14:14:59	ℹ 	xoan4 es conocido ahora como xoan
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2022-09-11 14:16:57	analoq	whats the deal with conda/anaconda? it sounds like quite a big/well known package, why is it not in the main pacman repos?
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2022-09-11 14:17:22	Namarrgon	becausen none of the TUs/devs want to maintain it
2022-09-11 14:17:33	jelle	it also goes directly against the arch packaging idea :-)
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2022-09-11 14:17:58	analoq	jelle: yeah i figured there might be something odd about it, what's the issue with it?
2022-09-11 14:18:04	Namarrgon	it would be a pain to maintain, so i understand why it isn't there
2022-09-11 14:18:08	jelle	analoq: it is another package manager right?
2022-09-11 14:18:54	analoq	jelle: honestly im not too sure :D but yeah could be, but i think it also capable of creating python environments?
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2022-09-11 14:21:04	gaku	can be done with pip it seems
2022-09-11 14:21:35	gaku	conda/anaconda seems like the system wide tool, in which case, just use pacman
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2022-09-11 14:47:02	NetSysFire	i was wondering if its deprecated or something
2022-09-11 14:47:26	dvzrv	NetSysFire: nope. but I am wondering now why it is still in the repos. AFAIK foxxx0 wanted to drop it
2022-09-11 14:48:24	GuiToris	are you sure there's no way to move file with sftp?
2022-09-11 14:48:39	GuiToris	I have no problem with that either
2022-09-11 14:48:44	artefact	just copy and delete? why is that a problem?
2022-09-11 14:49:08	GuiToris	There are many files, I won't write such a difficult script
2022-09-11 14:49:31	artefact	actually, lftp(1) has a mv/mmv command
2022-09-11 14:49:49	artefact	not sure if it works for transfers, or just for same-host
2022-09-11 14:50:13	ponies	both 
2022-09-11 14:50:55	artefact	nice, then use that GuiToris
2022-09-11 14:51:01	GuiToris	thanks
2022-09-11 14:52:25	uuidNuniq	sftp host:file works, but not the other way around 
2022-09-11 14:52:47	uuidNuniq	not able to upload files to remote non-interavtively 
2022-09-11 14:56:56	ponies	uuidNuniq: if it doesnt work the other way around you need to config that sshd
2022-09-11 14:59:24	NetSysFire	aaaaa i cant -Syu because apparently i hit a kernel regression that makes mounting read-only file systems in namespace contexts hang
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2022-09-11 15:27:06	MacGyver	!scp
2022-09-11 15:27:07	phrik	Secure, Contain and Phr<REDACTED>
2022-09-11 15:27:21	MacGyver	Hmm, I was hoping for an equivalent sftp command.
2022-09-11 15:30:55	MacGyver	glitsj16: Is that still the case since scp switched to being a front-end for sftp?
2022-09-11 15:31:28	MacGyver	Looks like that's the default since the 9.0 release.
2022-09-11 15:32:22	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-09-11 15:35:45	glitsj16	MacGyver: a far as i know scp is just no longer a secure option
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2022-09-11 15:57:17	nova	!echo [gm]|rainbow
2022-09-11 15:57:18	phrik	Good morning to all from nova!
2022-09-11 15:57:40	apetresc|wc	What is nova? Like, Beeper?
2022-09-11 15:57:50	nova	nova means 'new' in esperanto
2022-09-11 15:58:04	nova	my "full nick" is nova senco, which means "new sense", which is a play on words
2022-09-11 15:58:33	apetresc|wc	Oooh I forgot phrik was a bot, just responding to your command
2022-09-11 15:58:42	apetresc|wc	I though he was just a guy saying hi from a client called nova
2022-09-11 15:58:54	apetresc|wc	(Which is the old name for Beeper)
2022-09-11 15:58:58	nova	!give apetresc|wc bot
2022-09-11 15:58:58	phrik	nova: No idea
2022-09-11 15:59:15	⚡ 	nova is a gril
2022-09-11 15:59:37	apetresc|wc	I was referring to phrik
2022-09-11 16:01:04	nova	gotcha. I just understood your sentence. :)
2022-09-11 16:01:07	nova	phrik, bot
2022-09-11 16:01:07	phrik	I'm a bot! ~does the binary solo~ 00001 000011 0000111
2022-09-11 16:01:32	apetresc|wc	:)
2022-09-11 16:02:41	GuiToris	apetresc|wc, When are you coming out of the Water Closet? It's rather frustrating that you're talking from there!
2022-09-11 16:03:19	nova	or maybe apetresc is always talking in the Wrong Chat
2022-09-11 16:04:01	apetresc|wc	:P
2022-09-11 16:04:13	nova	"Houston, we have a problem / Batter is dying" Shuuut uppppp. I knowwwwwwwwww, stupid battery arc plugin
2022-09-11 16:04:13	apetresc|wc	The wc is for 'weechat', to distinguish from my matrix-bridged account
2022-09-11 16:04:36	nova	why. does. my. 'y'. not. work. when. I. type. 'battery'. GAH
2022-09-11 16:06:26	gaku	apetresc|wc: but matrix thing already show [M]?
2022-09-11 16:07:23	kuba-orlik2	Hi! When I try connect to my raspberry pi from a laptop with Arch, the ssh client immediately freezes, before showing the remote shell. I can't even close it with ctrl+c. Any ideas what could be the issue?
2022-09-11 16:08:38	NetSysFire	try ssh -v or even more verbosity
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2022-09-11 16:28:35	apetresc|wc	Then yes, go with ext4
2022-09-11 16:28:44	D-rex	ok thanks
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2022-09-11 17:04:25	uuidNuni1	it is already a sftp core in it's heart. so, end of discusstion 
2022-09-11 17:05:37	uuidNuni1	one thing that rsync is better than scp is that, if a binary is being used, rsync can overide it, but scp can NOT.
2022-09-11 17:06:25	Antiz	rsync is better than scp in way more things than that actually, right ?
2022-09-11 17:06:41	uuidNuni1	yea, i know.
2022-09-11 17:10:34	kevku	and rsync can be used without encryption so faster transfer between old stuff
2022-09-11 17:11:20	uuidNuni1	touch ~/file ; sudo mv ~/file /bin/ ; sudo mv /bin/file ~/  , do you see ownership change?
2022-09-11 17:12:26	Psi-Jack	Yeah, don't clobber file, please.
2022-09-11 17:12:59	uuidNuni1	file is just a random name. 
2022-09-11 17:13:20	Psi-Jack	But it's a legit filename in /bin
2022-09-11 17:13:33	Psi-Jack	So, your example random name, is quite destructive.
2022-09-11 17:14:00	uuidNuni1	sorry. 
2022-09-11 17:14:53	uuidNuni1	another example : sudo touch /etc/somefile ; sudo mv /etc/somefile ~/
2022-09-11 17:15:16	Psi-Jack	Well, that file would be owned by root.
2022-09-11 17:15:26	Psi-Jack	When you mv a file, ownership remains the same.
2022-09-11 17:15:33	Psi-Jack	When you cp a file, ownership can change,.
2022-09-11 17:15:50	uuidNuni1	oh, yes. i forgot the encounter i had before. bad example 
2022-09-11 17:16:26	Psi-Jack	Your previous example clobbering file, that too would result in the user-created file remaining owned by the user.
2022-09-11 17:16:44	NetSysFire	hmm it appears the freeze after boot is related to the kernel
2022-09-11 17:16:48	Psi-Jack	As long as the first mv clobbered file. 🙂
2022-09-11 17:17:09	uuidNuni1	seems rsync adopt the ownership of parent dir? if rsync WITHOUT -g -u
2022-09-11 17:17:19	uuidNuni1	adapt
2022-09-11 17:18:47	uuidNuni1	NetSysFire: yeah, someone reported too... downgrade should be fine, or LTS
2022-09-11 17:18:48	Psi-Jack	My most common usage of rsync uses -a, which is the same as -rlptgoD
2022-09-11 17:19:02	NetSysFire	uuidNuni1: where did you see the report? in here?
2022-09-11 17:19:07	NetSysFire	or on some bug tracker
2022-09-11 17:19:17	uuidNuni1	a telegram group
2022-09-11 17:20:51	uuidNuni1	Psi-Jack: i don't use -g -o most of the time. different system has different users. 
2022-09-11 17:21:28	Psi-Jack	Well, -o requires superuser anyway./
2022-09-11 17:22:21	uuidNuni1	e.g. you have a file on macOS, and it's uid gid are 501 and 20. if you rsync with -a,, to a linux box... then. you know 
2022-09-11 17:22:45	Psi-Jack	As root to root, yes. As user to another user, no.
2022-09-11 17:26:00	uuidNuni1	something changed.... rsync -a seems to be normal on different OS
2022-09-11 17:26:36	uuidNuni1	i touched a file on arch linux and rsync -a to a macOS... then it's ownershipt on macOS is macOS's user and group
2022-09-11 17:26:53	uuidNuni1	iirc this is not the behavier before 
2022-09-11 17:27:34	Psi-Jack	Yes it is.
2022-09-11 17:27:36	Psi-Jack	Nothing's changed.
2022-09-11 17:28:26	Psi-Jack	The only thing that might've changed is if you were using root accounts before. 
2022-09-11 17:29:05	uuidNuni1	i see, so if target is not root@remote, then, owner does not get preserved?
2022-09-11 17:29:23	Psi-Jack	It literally can't preserve it in that scenario.
2022-09-11 17:30:25	uuidNuni1	i have an alias, cpr: aliased to rsync -rlptPh -HDAX
2022-09-11 17:30:48	uuidNuni1	i sometimes do cpr root@remote:/etc/dir/
2022-09-11 17:31:20	uuidNuni1	oh, right, that is why i did not use -o and -g in that alias 
2022-09-11 17:32:02	Psi-Jack	If you're remotely using root, but locally using non-root, it still would not matter.
2022-09-11 17:32:08	Psi-Jack	If you are doing root, though. Shame on you!
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2022-09-11 17:52:10	mefistofeles	Psi-Jack: the borgmatic screencast has `sudo pip3 install borgmatic` ... ugh :?
2022-09-11 17:52:31	Psi-Jack	YEah, well, pip is portable in most cases even if not always the best way.
2022-09-11 17:53:21	mefistofeles	Psi-Jack: no the concern here is changing the python system packages with pip
2022-09-11 17:53:44	Psi-Jack	Potentially, yes.
2022-09-11 17:54:01	Psi-Jack	Granted, arch has borgmatic in repos. 🙂
2022-09-11 17:54:25	mefistofeles	Psi-Jack: but borgmatic seems like a nice tool
2022-09-11 17:54:30	mefistofeles	yeah
2022-09-11 17:56:46	cyphertite	uuidNuni1:  if you decide to go with borg, lock down your 'stuff' with something like:  borg init -e repokey-blake2 /run/media/user/<some-UUID>/.dups/borg-tests - and then create an archive, and verify that you can restore it
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2022-09-11 18:25:47	spaceshuttle42	I am sorry, I havent figured out how to find that part. I just learned about the journal. But how do I get to post-resume 
2022-09-11 18:26:11	Namarrgon	is this arch linux?
2022-09-11 18:26:32	spaceshuttle42	arch based, it's garuda linux
2022-09-11 18:26:44	Namarrgon	then you have to ask them for support, we don't support any spins or forks
2022-09-11 18:27:03	spaceshuttle42	okay, I understand 
2022-09-11 18:27:08	spaceshuttle42	Thanks for your help
2022-09-11 18:27:12	Namarrgon	you're welcome
2022-09-11 18:31:29	solsTiCe	Namarrgon: Just found pbget. I think I will use it. It's just easier to use /o\
2022-09-11 18:31:44	Namarrgon	!absctl
2022-09-11 18:31:45	phrik	absctl(){ git clone git://git.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git --single-branch -b packages/$1 $1; }
2022-09-11 18:32:20	⚡ 	Namarrgon looks up pbget
2022-09-11 18:38:33	solsTiCe	fatal: unable to connect to git.archlinux.org: => absctl(){ git clone https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages.git --single-branch -b packages/$1 $1; }
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2022-09-11 19:06:52	Namarrgon	solsTiCe: oops, fixed
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2022-09-11 20:05:29	sfo	if i'm bind mounting a directory in my fstab, is it necessary to list the device uuid and declare the folder above the entries such as in the example on the wiki? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/fstab#Bind_mount
2022-09-11 20:05:29	phrik	Title: fstab - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-09-11 20:06:39	Namarrgon	if you bind-mount a file or directory then you first have to mount the filesystem that contains that file or directory
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2022-09-11 20:07:01	Namarrgon	try to mount a file that doesn't exist and you'll see that you'll get an error
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2022-09-11 20:08:20	sfo	i ask because the example uses a very specific looking directory, if the directory in the example was just /media, for the disk in general, that would be adequate right?
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2022-09-11 20:09:04	Namarrgon	are you trying to bind-mount the /media directory?
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2022-09-11 20:10:04	sfo	the media directory in that example looks like what others might label as /home, I have things on my home directory that I'm binding to directories elsewhere
2022-09-11 20:10:27	sfo	im asuming their directory isnt like, /home/something/media
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2022-09-11 20:11:20	Namarrgon	that example mounts /media/user/OS first because that is where the sources for all the remaining bind-mounts are located
2022-09-11 20:11:42	Namarrgon	if /media/user/OS was not mounted all the remaining mounts would fail
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2022-09-11 20:12:51	sfo	alright, so as long as the disk is mounted, referencing more specific locations on that disk in the fstab should be okay
2022-09-11 20:12:58	pantato	sfo,  binding /home directories to elsewhere? what about a symlink?
2022-09-11 20:13:00	sfo	or so long as the disk is prior referenced in fstab
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2022-09-11 20:13:30	Namarrgon	yes, the thing that is to be bind-mounted needs to be accessible
2022-09-11 20:13:30	sfo	im using the binding so i can track it via git, the symlinks just show up as links in a git repo iirc
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2022-09-11 20:14:27	sfo	thanks :)
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2022-09-11 20:31:02	kekou	The resolution has changed, the font has changed greatly, and startx cannot enter the graphical interface
2022-09-11 20:31:34	Namarrgon	are you using the nvidia blob?
2022-09-11 20:31:39	artefact	!errors
2022-09-11 20:31:40	phrik	Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2022-09-11 20:31:42	Namarrgon	what is in the xorg log?
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2022-09-11 20:32:27	kekou	3D controller nvidia GF117M
2022-09-11 20:32:53	kekou	subsystem: GT 620M
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2022-09-11 20:39:16	kekou	phrik: wifi can't connect either, What information do I need to provide? journal, lspic and xorg?
2022-09-11 20:39:16	phrik	kekou: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
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2022-09-11 20:40:06	Namarrgon	uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2022-09-11 20:40:06	Namarrgon	!give kekou bot
2022-09-11 20:40:06	phrik	kekou: I'm a bot! ~does the binary solo~ 00001 000011 0000111
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2022-09-11 20:58:45	citazen	hello all, quick question can an ssl certificate be generated anywhere in the system or do I have to be in root home dir when I do it?
2022-09-11 20:59:12	ℹ 	docmax_ es conocido ahora como docmax
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2022-09-11 20:59:43	citazen	btw anyone else having issues with tor lately?
2022-09-11 20:59:56	mefistofeles	I think they changed something
2022-09-11 21:00:04	citazen	must be the midterms approaching
2022-09-11 21:00:07	mefistofeles	but I don't really use it, I just heard about it
2022-09-11 21:00:15	citazen	something
2022-09-11 21:00:35	citazen	*soon, and hope all (you) are ready
2022-09-11 21:00:45	citazen	but again anyone work with ssl?
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2022-09-11 21:01:04	citazen	self signed ssl
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2022-09-11 21:02:29	citazen	ok thanks all, enjoy the sunday 
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2022-09-12 18:47:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-09-12 18:47:01	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1425 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1424 normals)
2022-09-12 18:33:09	bertptrs	Anyone happen to have experience with arch' ruby packaging? I'm having issues with bundler either complaining ruby isn't compiled with OpenSSL, or failing to import io-wait
2022-09-12 18:37:54	bertptrs	time to write up a minimal example and create bug tracker issues, then
2022-09-12 18:41:43	SCHAPiE	Are you using the regular ruby executable installed from arch repos bertptrs ?
2022-09-12 18:41:49	bertptrs	Yes I am
2022-09-12 18:41:58	bertptrs	bundler and ruby installed from the arch repos
2022-09-12 18:42:41	bertptrs	I found this issue about io-wait, though it's not great: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/75888
2022-09-12 18:42:42	phrik	Title: FS#75888 : [ruby-io-wait] cannot load such file -- io/wait (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-09-12 18:42:49	SCHAPiE	Hmm, I see it's linked to libcrypto here
2022-09-12 18:43:07	bertptrs	I will finish my bug and then post it 
2022-09-12 18:47:01	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-09-12 18:48:18	bertptrs	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/75892 < SCHAPiE
2022-09-12 18:48:19	phrik	Title: FS#75892 : [ruby] Ruby is built without OpenSSL (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2022-09-12 18:57:25	B-|	i want different scaling in different sway windows or whatever they're called
2022-09-12 18:57:30	B-|	1 or 2
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2022-09-12 18:58:35	B-|	librewolf's fingerprinting protection seems to only work well with a scaling abnormal for my display
2022-09-12 18:58:48	B-|	currently i have two sway sessions
2022-09-12 18:59:04	Namarrgon	you get per-display scaling
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2022-09-12 18:59:46	B-|	what
2022-09-12 18:59:57	B-|	i want librewolf to have a different scaling
2022-09-12 19:01:00	susi	you may try altering layout.css.devPixelsPerPx in about:config
2022-09-12 19:01:30	susi	to 'zoom out', set it <1, and to 'zoom in', >1
2022-09-12 19:01:56	Namarrgon	file a bugreport against librewolf if nobody has done that yet
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2022-09-12 19:14:38	B-|	susi: i will try that soon
2022-09-12 19:14:40	B-|	thanks
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2022-09-12 19:15:46	susi	B-|: try something like 0.8 or 1.2
2022-09-12 19:16:25	susi	at minimum/maximum
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2022-09-12 19:32:38	B-|	susi: thanks a lot
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2022-09-12 19:34:18	susi	you may need to fine-tune the value, some values may on occasions break UI elements, but growing or decreasing it by .01 could help
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2022-09-12 19:55:57	vardo	Hello. I cannot get a printer to work (it works on Debian). I installed cups and samsung unified driver for linux. Gnome settings displayed my printer (ML 2525) in the list of printers it recognized. But when I tried to add it it failed.
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2022-09-12 19:56:40	vardo	And now my printer does not even appear in the list
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2022-09-12 19:58:12	vardo	The dialog window has greyed 'add printer' button just like before I started cups
2022-09-12 19:58:29	vardo	But cups is started and running
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2022-09-12 19:59:40	vardo	ACtually I restarted 'settings' and now I see my printer again and add printer butter is available
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2022-09-12 20:00:39	vardo	So the error message when I try to add my printer is 'additional printer drivers needed'
2022-09-12 20:00:52	vardo	But I installed samsung's
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2022-09-12 20:01:51	kevku	do you have splix ?
2022-09-12 20:02:19	vardo	No idea what that is so I would think no I dont
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2022-09-12 20:02:25	vardo	pacman -S splix§
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2022-09-12 20:02:29	vardo	?
2022-09-12 20:02:34	teraflops	vardo: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=197117
2022-09-12 20:02:35	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Samsung universal linux driver and CUPS / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-09-12 20:03:23	kevku	yeah i also remember the usblp/libusb being a mess for samsung printers
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2022-09-12 20:05:37	kevku	i have always used splix driver for mine
2022-09-12 20:05:55	vardo	OK there is a bug with gnome settings. EVery time I get an error, settings for printers become unavailable
2022-09-12 20:06:10	kevku	use the cups web interface instead
2022-09-12 20:06:20	vardo	I installed splix, but I got the same 'needs more drivers' error message
2022-09-12 20:06:20	teraflops	why are you using gnome's frontend instead of plain cups?
2022-09-12 20:07:02	vardo	Because I just think gnome is like windows and everything can be accessed from a centralized settings app
2022-09-12 20:07:17	vardo	Why should it not work§
2022-09-12 20:07:19	vardo	?
2022-09-12 20:08:31	vardo	teraflops, thank you for the link but it spreads in so many directions I am trying kevky's idea first
2022-09-12 20:08:49	B-|	gnome...
2022-09-12 20:08:51	teraflops	np ;)
2022-09-12 20:08:55	B-|	never touched it
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2022-09-12 20:11:57	vardo	OK so reading teraflops multidimensional link since splix failed
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2022-09-12 20:12:08	vardo	See you next year
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2022-09-12 20:14:46	vardo	btw, now I have two drivers installed
2022-09-12 20:14:48	vardo	uld-samsung/Samsung_ML-2525W_Series.ppd Samsung ML-2525W Series
2022-09-12 20:14:48	vardo	drv:///splix-samsung.drv/ml2525w.ppd Samsung ML-2525W, 2.0.0
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2022-09-12 20:15:48	vardo	teraflops, this is not my issue
2022-09-12 20:16:07	vardo	teraflops, I *do* get a list of printers eventually after restarting gnome settings app
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2022-09-12 20:16:33	vardo	teraflops, and lpinfo -m does return the two drivers above
2022-09-12 20:18:07	B-|	wrong channel
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2022-09-12 20:20:40	DeepDayze	Mind fart 🙂
2022-09-12 20:20:46	vardo	lpinfo -v now returns "direct usb://Samsung/ML-2525W%20Series?serial=xxxx"
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2022-09-12 20:21:16	vardo	after I used: lpadmin -p "SamsungML-2525W"
2022-09-12 20:21:24	vardo	But the printer is not visible in gnome
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2022-09-12 20:22:49	eupherium	can you see the printer in the cups web interface?
2022-09-12 20:23:19	vardo	No it says no printers
2022-09-12 20:24:18	vardo	Isnt this wrong to use a web browser to enter a root password to add printers§
2022-09-12 20:24:20	vardo	?
2022-09-12 20:24:34	vardo	This seems like a very insecure thing to do
2022-09-12 20:25:22	eupherium	you just have to be in the wheel group
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2022-09-12 20:26:04	eupherium	you can try the Samsung print drivers as well. https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/swdetails/samsung-ml-2525-laser-printer-series/17156979/model/17156815/swItemId/fp-194243-2
2022-09-12 20:26:05	phrik	Title: Driver - Samsung ML-2525W Laser Printer | HP® Customer Support (at support.hp.com)
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2022-09-12 20:26:16	vardo	eupherium, thats exactly what I did first
2022-09-12 20:26:37	vardo	eupherium, and this is why it appears in the list of installed drivers
2022-09-12 20:26:50	vardo	"uld-samsung/Samsung_ML-2525W_Series.ppd Samsung ML-2525W Series"
2022-09-12 20:27:32	◣	fetzenfisch (~fetzenfis@user/fetzenfisch) ha salido ()
2022-09-12 20:27:40	vardo	So the driver appears in the list, the printer even appears in the list when using command line but nothing else...§
2022-09-12 20:27:41	vardo	?
2022-09-12 20:27:55	eupherium	sorry I missed that. Last time I attempted to install a samsung printer, it was some permissions issue, but cannot remember what was it, sorry.
2022-09-12 20:27:59	vardo	Sorry switching from azerty to qwerty and back
2022-09-12 20:28:13	vardo	np thanks anyway
2022-09-12 20:28:43	vardo	I just avoid AUR samsung driver
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2022-09-12 20:29:56	DaveLib	hello   I recently downloaded the archlinux iso and am trying it on my new Windows 11 computer  I go into live arch session and see the ref there to use iwctl to access WIFI  i try that but  iwctl device list gives me only the header titles with no device listed  that later commands from man iwctl   i tried them guessing  wlan0 and wlan1 for DEVICE   I checked and my /dev has now wlan{0,1}
2022-09-12 20:30:48	Warepire	DaveLib: Check for network interfaces with "ip link" command. They are not under /dev .
2022-09-12 20:31:09	bluetail	vardo u could try colemak 
2022-09-12 20:31:10	DaveLib	also on bootup  the messages said  the service wait_for_network or whatever it is called failed      the networkconfiguration service started in messages
2022-09-12 20:31:44	DaveLib	anyway   what is the best way for live arch to connect to WIFI
2022-09-12 20:32:01	vardo	bluetail, thanks I will try that next
2022-09-12 20:32:06	DaveLib	my same computer donnects to our WIFI from Windows 11
2022-09-12 20:32:29	vardo	But does anyone know why lpinfo -v returns my printer, but lpstat does not§
2022-09-12 20:32:30	vardo	?
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2022-09-12 20:33:43	DaveLib	oops  above i meant to say /dev has no wlan{0,1}
2022-09-12 20:33:46	◣	mizu (~mizu@user/mizu) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-09-12 20:34:04	teraflops	DaveLib: do you happen to know which wireless device is this?
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2022-09-12 20:34:10	DaveLib	thanks Warepire
2022-09-12 20:34:49	DaveLib	if i find my device name that way    can i try the later iwctl command using that device name?
2022-09-12 20:34:59	Warepire	Yes
2022-09-12 20:35:05	DaveLib	or is it better to try something other than iwctl
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2022-09-12 20:35:19	Warepire	iwctl should be fine unless you have some exotic authentication
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2022-09-12 20:35:36	DaveLib	so iwctl device list was supposed to find them right ?
2022-09-12 20:36:02	DaveLib	Windows 11 authentication worked perfectly
2022-09-12 20:36:17	vardo	OK found how
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2022-09-12 20:40:52	eupherium	vardo: what was it?
2022-09-12 20:42:56	vardo	eupherium, I had to run lpadmin again with -p <printername> and -v <uri found with lpinfo -v>
2022-09-12 20:43:19	vardo	But I am still trying to figure out how to get anything printed
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2022-09-12 20:43:29	vardo	The printer appeared in gnome after that
2022-09-12 20:43:46	vardo	With no driver associated with it, so I added one but it does not work
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2022-09-12 20:46:26	vardo	lp: Destination "SamsungML2525W" is not accepting jobs.
2022-09-12 20:46:36	◣	Lord_of_Life (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) ha salido (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2022-09-12 20:46:51	vardo	(trying command line instead of gnome)
2022-09-12 20:47:16	eupherium	maybe try to restart the printer
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2022-09-12 20:49:00	vardo	eupherium, ok didnt try that yet
2022-09-12 20:49:04	◣	NullPointerError (~Thunderbi@218.185.239.120) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2022-09-12 20:49:33	vardo	Same error, not accepting jobs
2022-09-12 20:49:36	citazen	hi i have a group set up www-data, but it seems to be read only. when i give the file to group http, i can read write. how can i let the group www-data read/write also?
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2022-09-12 20:50:19	vardo	Looks like I have to boot debian for now
2022-09-12 20:50:38	eupherium	vardo: I remember what my issue was
2022-09-12 20:50:49	vardo	eupherium, ok?
2022-09-12 20:51:05	eupherium	On https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/CUPS/Troubleshooting#USB_printers I has to set the group to lp
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2022-09-12 20:51:06	phrik	Title: CUPS/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-09-12 20:51:59	vardo	eupherium, ah! that would make sense, I am going to try that
2022-09-12 20:52:10	eupherium	you can check the permission as per section 4.4
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2022-09-12 20:53:15	citazen	what i dont get is the apache wiki says to use http, but wordpress says www-data
2022-09-12 20:53:23	vardo	eupherium, I was talking about a conflict with SANE
2022-09-12 20:53:33	citazen	i have it set to apache specs, i do hope that is the most secure route
2022-09-12 20:53:48	eupherium	vardo: great
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2022-09-12 20:55:02	eupherium	hope that resolves it
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2022-09-12 20:56:19	vardo	eupherium, it did not change anything, skipping to 4.4, I should mention I ran lp as root
2022-09-12 20:56:37	vardo	eupherium, how could this be a matter of permissions?
2022-09-12 20:56:45	citazen	permissions?
2022-09-12 20:56:51	citazen	same o/
2022-09-12 20:57:02	citazen	but im gonna let mine ride
2022-09-12 20:57:11	citazen	it works
2022-09-12 20:57:14	citazen	well
2022-09-12 20:57:36	eupherium	vardo: that what it was for me
2022-09-12 20:58:22	vardo	eupherium, ok well it does not change anything here but thanks
2022-09-12 20:58:34	vardo	eupherium, (I did follow the instructions)
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2022-09-12 20:58:55	teraflops	citazen: www-data is a debian thing
2022-09-12 20:59:08	vardo	(0)root@archlinux:/home/vardo/Downloads/uld# ls -l /dev/bus/usb/003/001
2022-09-12 20:59:08	vardo	crw-rw-r-- 1 root lp 189, 256 Sep  9 17:32 /dev/bus/usb/003/001
2022-09-12 20:59:12	citazen	ah ty teraflops 
2022-09-12 20:59:26	vardo	eupherium, group is lp now
2022-09-12 20:59:50	citazen	ok phase1 complete server running a server running a wp site
2022-09-12 20:59:51	citazen	lel
2022-09-12 21:00:30	citazen	local is running public server o7
2022-09-12 21:00:51	eupherium	vardo: sorry, this is where my knowledge ended
2022-09-12 21:00:51	citazen	phase2 hardening and security
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2022-09-12 21:01:58	vardo	eupherium, ok np
2022-09-12 21:03:14	vardo	Damn it, option -E would make it to accept jobs, apparently
2022-09-12 21:03:31	vardo	I didnt read that in CUPS web help
2022-09-12 21:04:03	vardo	AND NOW IT WORKS !!
2022-09-12 21:04:09	citazen	!next
2022-09-12 21:04:09	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-09-12 21:04:25	teraflops	vardo: grats
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2022-09-12 21:06:32	DaveLib	hello    i was just in here about WIFI in live arch   i did ip link as Warepire suggested and got wlan0   i did the next iwctl command   iwctl station wlan0 scan   and got my usual message no devide wlan0    i did man ip   not knowing it wll and tried as noted there   ip link wlan0 up   it messaged back  that operation is not permitted     also i did  systemctl list-units |grep -i network   and
2022-09-12 21:06:32	DaveLib	all those were 
2022-09-12 21:06:32	DaveLib	ok and loaded and running execpt systemctl-network-wait-for-online or whatever it is called   my boot in messages had also showed that as failed
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2022-09-12 21:07:51	DaveLib	the grep on list-units also showed 2 items that looked like installed fireware
2022-09-12 21:08:07	Namarrgon	which wifi chipset is in that system? iwctl supports only the modern nl80211 stack, for legacy drivers you have to rely on wpa_supplicant
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2022-09-12 21:08:28	Namarrgon	does 'iw' list the wireless interface?
2022-09-12 21:08:34	DaveLib	yes this is a refurbished computer
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2022-09-12 21:08:50	DaveLib	i didn't try iw
2022-09-12 21:09:12	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wpa_supplicant#Connecting_with_wpa_cli
2022-09-12 21:09:13	phrik	Title: wpa_supplicant - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-09-12 21:09:18	DaveLib	i am a newbie for this networking    i don't know these commands and have to look them up to use them
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2022-09-12 21:09:54	Namarrgon	it would be best to have a second computer or phone where you can open the wiki
2022-09-12 21:09:55	DaveLib	well   ip link  showed wlan0    and iwctl device showing nothing
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2022-09-12 21:10:18	Namarrgon	if 'iw' doesn't list it either then you have a legacy driver
2022-09-12 21:10:28	DaveLib	i only have the one   i reboot from live arch to windows to come here
2022-09-12 21:11:00	DaveLib	ok so solution is to use wpa_suppicant as you said
2022-09-12 21:11:09	Namarrgon	yes, it supports all the drivers
2022-09-12 21:11:17	DaveLib	ok
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2022-09-12 21:11:38	DaveLib	if in arch i do man wpa_supplicant will that show me what to do ?
2022-09-12 21:11:52	DaveLib	or i could read the wiki here before rebooting
2022-09-12 21:12:05	Namarrgon	you don't have a phone with a browser?
2022-09-12 21:12:09	DaveLib	no
2022-09-12 21:12:21	Namarrgon	smart tv?
2022-09-12 21:12:31	DaveLib	how do i check for interface in iw ?
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2022-09-12 21:12:33	alad	Ctrl+F2 and a text browser
2022-09-12 21:12:37	teraflops	usb tethering also works
2022-09-12 21:12:46	teraflops	with the phone I meant
2022-09-12 21:12:56	alad	oh right, no internet
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2022-09-12 21:13:13	DaveLib	but when i am in live arch i have no internet so can't access wiki
2022-09-12 21:13:22	DaveLib	ya
2022-09-12 21:13:30	alad	so that computer is the only internet-capable device you have
2022-09-12 21:13:31	Namarrgon	'iw list' or 'iw dev' should work
2022-09-12 21:13:40	DaveLib	ok thanks
2022-09-12 21:14:14	DaveLib	i will read wiki here about wpa_supplicant   then reboot to arch and try iw  then maybe wpa_supplicant
2022-09-12 21:14:28	DaveLib	thanks Namarrgon
2022-09-12 21:14:47	DaveLib	ya  this is a refurbished computer    so maybe old chips
2022-09-12 21:15:00	Exa	Hey, is the AUR under maintenance? It was working a few minutes ago and now i get connection refused (so port closed)
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2022-09-12 21:15:48	Namarrgon	Exa: https://status.archlinux.org
2022-09-12 21:15:49	phrik	Title: status.archlinux.org (at status.archlinux.org)
2022-09-12 21:16:05	Exa	Namarrgon: thanks, I didn't know this page existed
2022-09-12 21:16:21	Namarrgon	the topic has a link to it
2022-09-12 21:17:28	BrainDamage	alad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faces...tris_III
2022-09-12 21:17:28	phrik	Title: Faces...tris III - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2022-09-12 21:19:42	topcat001	DaveLib: when you install at network manager (the type of software), you might prefer NetworkManager (a specific package) in your particular scenario.
2022-09-12 21:20:21	topcat001	(and then later make a more informed choice when you understand more)
2022-09-12 21:21:01	teraflops	they were in the arch iso
2022-09-12 21:21:38	topcat001	I'm referring to the actual install (in future) and not the live ISO DaveLib 
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2022-09-12 21:26:57	DaveLib	thanks topcat001
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2022-09-12 21:46:47	gehidore	secret
2022-09-12 21:54:22	nurotic	Is it overkill for hardware to reserve 2GB of ram from 8GB?
2022-09-12 21:54:56	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-09-12 21:55:07	nurotic	2.25GB in my case 
2022-09-12 21:55:12	ℹ 	citazen es conocido ahora como anon007
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2022-09-12 21:56:23	ℹ 	anon007 es conocido ahora como citazen
2022-09-12 21:56:42	another|	depends on what it's for
2022-09-12 21:57:54	DeepDayze	manjaro...that's like Ubuntu 🙂
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2022-09-12 21:58:21	gaku	ubunjaro
2022-09-12 21:58:25	DeepDayze	:D
2022-09-12 21:58:38	◣	julie_pilgrim (~julie_pil@user/julie-pilgrim/x-1240752) ha salido (Quit: Client closed)
2022-09-12 21:58:42	artefact	an ancient african word meaning "i can't install arch"
2022-09-12 21:58:42	◣	cubo (~cubo@user/cubo) ha salido (Quit: cubo)
2022-09-12 21:58:51	alad	false, ubuntu is made by people who roughly know what they're doing
2022-09-12 21:58:55	gehidore	^
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2022-09-12 21:59:13	DeepDayze	artefact got it right though :^)
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2022-09-12 21:59:26	artefact	look at upstart! mir! snap! all great successes!
2022-09-12 21:59:31	alad	!shurg
2022-09-12 21:59:32	phrik	乁║ ˙ 益 ˙ ║ㄏ
2022-09-12 21:59:39	jkc	DeepDayze: Except not at all.
2022-09-12 21:59:43	teraflops	that's a koala
2022-09-12 21:59:49	artefact	it's just a stupid joke
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2022-09-12 22:00:02	jkc	Canonical has made some dumb decisions, sure, but on the whole, it's a good distro for what it aims to be.
2022-09-12 22:00:05	alad	arch and ubuntu are hardly comparable products
2022-09-12 22:00:08	DeepDayze	Ubuntu is to debian as Manjaro is to arch....
2022-09-12 22:00:15	alad	hardly
2022-09-12 22:00:16	teraflops	not at all
2022-09-12 22:00:41	DeepDayze	considering both distros are downstream from their main distros
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2022-09-12 22:01:04	alad	manjaro is to arch what a squat is to an apartment complex
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2022-09-12 22:01:26	artefact	at least canonical is smart enough to renew their tls certs on time
2022-09-12 22:01:33	DeepDayze	true that
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2022-09-12 22:02:13	alad	folk that don't pay their rent and break all the property ;O
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2022-09-12 22:04:53	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-09-12 22:04:54	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1437 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1436 normals)
2022-09-12 22:04:55	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-09-13 19:00:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-09-13 18:53:36	frostwork	it is always fun to finetune a bit the boot process and speed but finally not more (reason enough to play with it - no question, but the result is not as amazing as one might expect :D)
2022-09-13 18:59:23	Psi-Jack	YEah, same process is working fine on tabtop. Shows for a good 5 seconds actually before lightdm shows up.
2022-09-13 19:00:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-09-13 19:50:18	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-09-13 19:50:18	ℹ 	Tema establecido por alad (alad@archlinux/op/alad) el jue, 28 jul 2022 19:12:50
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2022-09-13 19:50:19	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-09-13 19:50:20	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-09-13 19:50:20	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-09-13 19:58:54	artefact	i'd love to play with that. but early boot sd-ask-password says no
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2022-09-13 20:27:51	Psi-Jack	heh
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2022-09-13 20:33:01	hays	is there a reason to run an authoritative and non-authoritative DNS server on the same subnet
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2022-09-13 20:33:30	hays	presuming you don't have a worry about it being too busy
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2022-09-13 20:35:06	WinterStar	Hello folks. When I open a txt file in Firefox, it opens it (correctly) in Vim, but always in xfce4-terminal. I would like to change that to Alacritty, but couldn't find anything in xfce4-settings, mimeapps.list or .desktop files. Ideas?
2022-09-13 20:35:07	hays	I guess nsd is only authoritative.. hmm
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2022-09-13 20:37:53	lolok	if you use xdg-open is the result any different WinterStar? eg, xdg-open test.txt
2022-09-13 20:38:22	WinterStar	yes, then it uses Alacritty
2022-09-13 20:38:56	lolok	then its gotta be in firefox somewhere, either in advanced settings, or about:config
2022-09-13 20:39:07	WinterStar	I'll check that out
2022-09-13 20:39:49	frostwork	looks like firefox uses /etc/mime.types as source (search mime in about:config). I guess this is the file you need to edit/check
2022-09-13 20:40:45	frostwork	additionally "helpers.private_mime_types_file" is "~/.mime.types"
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2022-09-13 20:44:06	WinterStar	frostwork: yes I see both in about:config
2022-09-13 20:44:28	WinterStar	~/.mime.types is nonexistent, and /etc/mime.types doesn't reference xfce4-terminal anywhere...
2022-09-13 20:44:35	WinterStar	Weird...
2022-09-13 20:45:48	WinterStar	I tried to open a README.md file from github. It's not a registered file type anywhere and it opens straight in Vim but as said in xfce4-terminal. No idea what's telling it to do that though
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2022-09-13 20:46:54	frostwork	hm, was just a wild guess. I haven't looked into the files and guessed it picked its mime types from there. md is a markdown file and likely has separate mime-type settings
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2022-09-13 20:47:50	WinterStar	It was a very logical assumption though
2022-09-13 20:48:50	ℹ 	Lord_of_Life_ es conocido ahora como Lord_of_Life
2022-09-13 20:48:52	WinterStar	I think it must be somewhere in Firefox though like lolok said. I almost wonder what would happen if i'd uninstall xfce4-terminal
2022-09-13 20:49:11	frostwork	heh thx. when you go into the general settingsf you can define applications used for specific mime-types
2022-09-13 20:49:22	frostwork	about:preferences#general
2022-09-13 20:49:35	WinterStar	yes, but not for a .md filetype as far as I can tell
2022-09-13 20:49:51	WinterStar	Oh well if I do figure it out, I'll report back
2022-09-13 20:49:59	frostwork	oh. maybe it helps to add it anyway(?). sorry, I barely look into ff settings usually
2022-09-13 20:50:01	WinterStar	Not really a great priority however
2022-09-13 20:50:10	frostwork	hrhr. good luck
2022-09-13 20:50:12	WinterStar	I'll give it a try
2022-09-13 20:50:26	WinterStar	thanks frostwork, and you as well lolok!
2022-09-13 20:50:43	frostwork	yw
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2022-09-13 20:52:26	sil3nt	I am experiencing odd performance issues in certain programs after plugging in a second AMD GPU (RX 580 8GB) into my system. My primary GPU is an RX 5700XT, and I have used this configuration before (same hardware in fact), and I did not experience the issue I am now.
2022-09-13 20:53:04	sil3nt	Certain programs feel extremely laggy. Like less than 1fps. DRI_PRIME does not appear to change anything in the regard.
2022-09-13 20:53:17	sil3nt	Most other programs feel perfectly normal.
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2022-09-13 21:11:28	CubeTheThird	iirc DRI_PRIME only applies to Nvidia GPUs
2022-09-13 21:12:08	CubeTheThird	are you running X11 or Wayland?
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2022-09-13 21:12:42	sil3nt	X11, and PRIME does support AMD.
2022-09-13 21:13:06	sil3nt	I've used it before.
2022-09-13 21:14:47	sil3nt	https://i.imgur.com/IF3wIp6.png
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2022-09-13 21:30:45	ℹ 	ganthore es conocido ahora como ganthore|afk
2022-09-13 21:31:06	DeepDayze	intel and nvidia are common setups in laptops
2022-09-13 21:31:48	DeepDayze	but more new ones with AMD GPU's are starting to become more prevalent so good to see prime also works with that
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2022-09-13 21:32:20	ℹ 	ganthore|afk es conocido ahora como ganthore
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2022-09-13 21:33:36	ℹ 	FR337H1NK es conocido ahora como freethink
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2022-09-14 18:34:52	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-09-14 18:34:52	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1441 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1440 normals)
2022-09-14 13:20:09	wereii	anyone else having problems with fwupd-refresh.service always failing? 
2022-09-14 13:22:32	cc0a3hr	can we ask question about some program? small question about lf file manager.
2022-09-14 13:23:48	Warepire	cc0a3hr: As long as you are running it on Arch, ask away.
2022-09-14 13:27:30	cc0a3hr	on lf file manager, there are star on my appimages directory. I don't know what it means. https://files.catbox.moe/b60q71.png
2022-09-14 13:53:09	cedb	i have this weird issue where i can't ssh into another computer in my LAN while either is downloading a file at decent speed
2022-09-14 13:53:25	cedb	but the browser still works
2022-09-14 13:54:57	cedb	i have like zero clue where to begin debugging this
2022-09-14 14:04:47	rapha	Psi-Jack: okay, solved the problem and it wasn't difficult at all in the end. I had to uninstall all java-related things and _then_ `pacman -S icedtea-web` so that it pulls its own deps in and only those, and _then_ select jre8-openjdk. After restarting Firefox it even works normally from within the browser again. Thank you for the hint that 8 is the latest Java version; this was the key to
2022-09-14 14:04:49	rapha	everything!
2022-09-14 15:18:24	Psi-Jack[m]	Ayup.
2022-09-14 15:18:26	bea	cedb: are your lan ports negotiating at the wrong speed and you are saturating your link? assuming your ssh connection is timing out
2022-09-14 15:21:32	cedb	bea: yeah thanks i should have mentionned it is timing out, ive never looked at "speed at which ports are negotiating", googling time i guess
2022-09-14 15:23:56	cedb	also saturating what link? i would have thought the os or something in systemd would manage bandwith so that one app doenst like completely hoard all the network (maybe make it extremely slow for others like 56k but not completely)
2022-09-14 15:25:44	bea	if the link on your switch is saturated it wont make a difference
2022-09-14 15:26:47	bea	can be easily proven or not by doing like concurrent downloads
2022-09-14 15:27:10	bea	i just always start at the hardware layer when debugging weird networking stuff
2022-09-14 17:01:46	cedb	why would the browser work and not ssh though ?
2022-09-14 17:05:43	bea	that depends entirely on what you mean by work but cache is the first thing that comes to mind
2022-09-14 17:06:16	cedb	hmm good point i hadnt thought of forcing a refresh
2022-09-14 17:24:04	jonathon	h4rd3n3d: not sure, i've not tested on third-party kernels. worth checking the dkms build logs though.
2022-09-14 17:34:36	luigibu	hi guys! one thing.. maybe some of you has a solution. I got pi-hole instaled on my arch.. run perfect. i just sow.. the dashboard shows the themperature fixed to 27º what is wrong.. and i sow.. the code of pihole looks at: /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp, but this values is fixed and never changes.. 
2022-09-14 17:35:09	luigibu	i do notice.. my instalation shows the correct temps at thermal_zone2
2022-09-14 17:35:43	jelle	luigibu: can you cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/type
2022-09-14 17:35:51	luigibu	i cant mess with pihole code.. cos will be overwriten by updates..
2022-09-14 17:35:57	luigibu	sure
2022-09-14 17:36:06	jelle	but if it hardcodes to thermal_zone0 the software is broken and you should report an issue
2022-09-14 17:36:15	luigibu	acpitz
2022-09-14 17:36:29	jelle	aaah so it's broken :)
2022-09-14 17:36:44	luigibu	can you explain to me.. cos is quiet new to me
2022-09-14 17:37:05	luigibu	the code works on raspberry pi.. but not in arch
2022-09-14 17:37:21	jelle	that can't work on a raspberry pi as it has no acpitz
2022-09-14 17:38:39	jelle	https://github.com/pi-hole/AdminLTE/blob/126b1484903fc74dfbf26f8988d37725fe49c6ed/scripts/pi-hole/php/header_authenticated.php#L67 yeahhh
2022-09-14 17:39:32	luigibu	so.. is not the correct place to grab the temp right?
2022-09-14 17:39:42	jelle	it is the right place, but just wrong :)
2022-09-14 17:39:57	luigibu	what is wrong? 
2022-09-14 17:39:59	jelle	luigibu: in sysfs multiple sensors report their temperature, what acpitz means depends on your BIOS. It would be better if pi-hole looked for k10temp/k8temp or coretemp for intel
2022-09-14 17:40:07	jelle	oh and this does not work on ARM ofcourse
2022-09-14 17:40:29	jelle	this is much saner https://github.com/cockpit-project/cockpit/blob/67996b96470511055dd0cb640356c23e4db30579/src/bridge/cockpitcpusamples.c#L209
2022-09-14 17:41:15	luigibu	any workaround you could suggest?
2022-09-14 17:41:18	frostwork	might be worth a issue/PR
2022-09-14 17:42:52	jelle	luigibu: the code snippet which I send ;-)
2022-09-14 17:43:10	jelle	acpitz, can be a case sensor, cpu sensor, anything basically
2022-09-14 17:44:19	luigibu	so basically.. this line.. if (file_exists('/sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp') should check the type? or somehting? and go to the next until it match the correct type?
2022-09-14 17:45:04	jelle	luigibu: yes, ideally it would have some logic
2022-09-14 17:45:31	luigibu	and just cos my ignorance is big in this field.. 
2022-09-14 17:45:42	luigibu	wich is the correct type to check?
2022-09-14 17:46:03	jelle	luigibu:       // Intel: coretemp, AMD: k8temp or k10temp, ARM: cpu_thermal, Asus motherboard: atk0110
2022-09-14 17:46:16	jelle	and then you still have to do more checking
2022-09-14 17:46:36	jelle	it's all a bit complicated /o\
2022-09-14 17:47:17	luigibu	i see.. cos.. need to check the architecture.. and then.. loop over the different thermal_zones? something like that?
2022-09-14 17:47:50	luigibu	ls
2022-09-14 17:47:54	jelle	luigibu: yup
2022-09-14 17:48:43	luigibu	i see.. well i learned something today. thanks jelle 
2022-09-14 17:49:00	jelle	luigibu: it's best to use lm_sensors if possible
2022-09-14 17:49:24	luigibu	lm_sensors? need to check that 
2022-09-14 17:49:45	jelle	but that might not be available by default
2022-09-14 17:52:54	luigibu	i like lm_sensors
2022-09-14 18:21:42	dojero	Looking for some help on mkinitcpio --uefi. Any suggestion where to find that?
2022-09-14 18:24:50	gehidore	that lasted long enough for a reply
2022-09-14 18:34:52	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-09-14 18:47:30	baltazar	is there some nice command to view a log file but with time stamps replaced with deltas, like the output of `dmesg -H` ?
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2022-09-14 18:54:47	mpan	baltazar: by “a log file” you mean the journal? If yes: `-o short-monotonic` to journalctl.
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2022-09-14 18:57:02	baltazar	no, an actual file sadly
2022-09-14 18:57:56	baltazar	just a file with the format `[timestamp] text`
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2022-09-14 18:58:33	baltazar	I swear I found a tool for this at some point but I can't recall what it was
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2022-09-14 20:15:58	stewmu	Anyone got an alternative to grub after the grub incident?
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2022-09-14 20:17:08	topcat001	!give stewmu aw boot loader
2022-09-14 20:17:09	phrik	stewmu: Boot loader - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Boot_loader
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2022-09-14 20:19:57	topcat001	h4rd3n3d: while the dkms build is stuck, what relevant processes are running (with full command lines as displayed by `ps auxww` or something like that).
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2022-09-14 21:02:20	MichaelP	fresh instal .. gnome 42.. settings/power Screen Blank set to never wants to default back to 5 min !! Any way around that or a fix ?
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2022-09-14 21:08:27	Namarrgon	are you using gdm, too?
2022-09-14 21:08:33	xx	what grub incident?
2022-09-14 21:09:25	MichaelP	useing what ever archinstall installs on gnome
2022-09-14 21:09:51	Namarrgon	i don't know either, so you better confirm what it installed for you
2022-09-14 21:10:03	Namarrgon	xx: "incident", some people learned why not to do partial upgrades the hard way
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2022-09-14 21:10:28	xx	I see
2022-09-14 21:11:10	MichaelP	How do i find out what grub incident? 
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2022-09-15 20:56:58	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1441 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1440 normals)
2022-09-15 16:49:39	rapha	hi all
2022-09-15 16:49:43	luna	hey
2022-09-15 16:49:49	rapha	is there some "nuke it from orbit, please" version of pacman -Rns?
2022-09-15 16:55:30	keir	rapha: could you be more descriptive?
2022-09-15 16:56:35	rapha	keir: i mean i want to e.g. remove as much as possible of kde, lxqt, xfce and xorg and everything that
2022-09-15 16:56:44	rapha	's connected with these with as little typing as possible
2022-09-15 16:56:44	MrElendig	rapha: man pacman
2022-09-15 16:57:29	MrElendig	be carefull with the use of c though, read before you press enter
2022-09-15 16:57:54	rapha	I have that open but there's so many and I'm worried about interaction between them
2022-09-15 16:57:58	MrElendig	in most cases its better to use u
2022-09-15 16:58:07	MrElendig	aka not the nuclear option
2022-09-15 16:58:10	rapha	Ok, so -Rnsu
2022-09-15 16:58:26	rapha	I guess I could try -Rnsc and see what list of packages comes up
2022-09-15 16:58:32	rapha	thank you!
2022-09-15 16:58:46	MrElendig	also note the difference between  -s and -ss
2022-09-15 16:59:07	CoelacanthusHex	arojas: Hi, KDE release Plasma 5.26 beta right now. Could you package it in kde-unstable repo?
2022-09-15 16:59:18	CoelacanthusHex	https://kde.org/announcements/plasma/5/5.25.90
2022-09-15 16:59:19	phrik	Title: Plasma 5.26 Beta - KDE Community (at kde.org)
2022-09-15 17:00:06	rapha	MrElendig: (A) and (B), I see, I'd missed that earlier. Thanks!
2022-09-15 17:01:27	CoelacanthusHex	And I have another related question. kde-unstable has no beta package when package's beta version is older than stable version.
2022-09-15 17:02:31	CoelacanthusHex	In this case, if a new beta version is released, I have no entry to report out-of-date of a package in kde-unstable.
2022-09-15 17:09:59	bluetail	Hey
2022-09-15 17:10:06	luna	hi
2022-09-15 17:11:10	bluetail	what happens when the user loads their desktop environment? I was wondering because once I load it, my energy usage bumps from 70 to  120 watt in idle. Could it be GPU related? I have a 240hz monitor config that isnt applied before the desktop environment is loaded.
2022-09-15 17:12:02	CubeTheThird	probably both CPU and GPU. More processes, not to mention the rendering
2022-09-15 17:15:30	bluetail	I just tested. Its actually the monitor frequency. Going from 240 to 60hz drops consumption a lot. And I measure only the PC. I think it forces the GPU to not get into the idle state. I will look into it if its just only the GPU. Perhaps I can tweak it. I do it, cause I'm just curious :)
2022-09-15 17:16:42	MrElendig	bluetail: test at 120
2022-09-15 17:17:01	bluetail	sec
2022-09-15 17:17:21	MrElendig	so much nicer than 60 when it comes to actually using it
2022-09-15 17:17:36	bluetail	same wattage than 240hz
2022-09-15 17:38:36	Hello_World	Oh sorry I somehow forgot to send my answer
2022-09-15 17:38:51	Hello_World	Playing around with pavucontrol somehow fixed it, tyvm
2022-09-15 17:39:03	Hello_World	No clue what I did though, since I already tried several times before
2022-09-15 17:39:07	Hello_World	let's hope it stays fixed 
2022-09-15 17:43:07	halosghost	alad: ohhai, hope all is well ❤
2022-09-15 17:44:05	halosghost	random question: is there a way to orchestrate `script` (or ttyrec, or I suppose asciinema) to have places where the replay automatically pauses (waiting for a keypress to continue)?
2022-09-15 17:45:02	halosghost	script looks like plenty for my use-case, but having auto-pause/continue-on-keypress points would be excellent, and I've struggled to find documentation on any of the terminal recorders that suggests it's supported
2022-09-15 17:48:10	BrainDamage	you could try kill -STOP / kill -CONT and hope they don't go haywire
2022-09-15 17:50:53	halosghost	so, SIGSTOP to the recorder makes sense to me how it'd stop recording (and SIGCONT resume it), but that'd just be a break in the recording right; I don't think it'd result in a pause during playback waiting for a keypress to keep playing
2022-09-15 17:51:55	halosghost	and the point of this is to have a pre-determined stop-point with a keypress-to-continue (pausing and continuing playback on-demand is something nicer recorders like ttyrec support ootb)
2022-09-15 17:51:56	BrainDamage	oh, you meant at the end user vieweing the recording, no, I don't know then
2022-09-15 17:52:01	halosghost	right
2022-09-15 17:52:42	BrainDamage	I know that termtosvg records a terminal in svg format, and svg allows embedded js, if you're ok with some cursed method, it might work
2022-09-15 17:53:01	halosghost	hehe…
2022-09-15 17:53:21	halosghost	that's probably a fair solution, but if at all possible, I'd like to avoid something turing-complete ☺
2022-09-15 17:53:45	artefact	make a .ppt of embedded asciinema replays👻
2022-09-15 17:55:17	halosghost	also probably a fair solution, but 1) ppt is turing-complete 😛 and 2) the main benefit of the breakpoint thing I'm imagining is that it's cohesive, there's no transition between the last bit of the playback and the next
2022-09-15 18:55:50	bluetail	yay
2022-09-15 18:55:56	bluetail	I resolved my power draw issue!
2022-09-15 18:55:57	bluetail	How?
2022-09-15 18:57:17	bluetail	Using the output of: ' cvt -r 1920 1080 240'. -r stands for reduced blanking. Making my gpu able to clock down. In xorg, you call it via xrandr. In sway, you call it via output <display> <arguments> <modeline>
2022-09-15 18:57:27	bluetail	Unfortunately, I get momentarily flicker now :D
2022-09-15 18:57:48	bluetail	So I will try to find a middleground
2022-09-15 19:00:40	artefact	what gpu?
2022-09-15 19:00:58	bluetail	6950xt
2022-09-15 19:01:05	MrElendig	bonus point: try wayland
2022-09-15 19:01:09	bluetail	yea
2022-09-15 19:01:11	bluetail	I use wayland
2022-09-15 19:01:22	artefact	with amdgpu you can fine tune the power profiles yourself, but it's barely documented
2022-09-15 19:01:36	MrElendig	the compositor itself makes a big difference too
2022-09-15 19:01:42	bluetail	I use sway
2022-09-15 19:01:50	artefact	i also find it too agressive by default on 6750xt. vsync on gets stuck in a weird hysteresis and locks into 30fps
2022-09-15 19:04:50	bluetail	I know theres those profiles to tune... But I havent got myself lost in it yet. What do you use to set idle to something appropriate?
2022-09-15 19:05:59	artefact	try setting a custom profile in /sys/class/drm/card0/device/pp_power_profile_mode 
2022-09-15 19:06:10	artefact	but as i've said, i've had a really hard time finding documentation on how to do that
2022-09-15 19:06:58	bluetail	how do I determine the min viable setting?
2022-09-15 19:07:10	bluetail	and how do I automatically switch?
2022-09-15 19:07:22	artefact	switching is easy. nothing systemd-tmpfiles.d can't do
2022-09-15 19:07:35	bluetail	No I meant
2022-09-15 19:07:48	bluetail	what profile is picked for normal desktop IDLE 
2022-09-15 19:07:53	bluetail	if that makes sense
2022-09-15 19:07:57	bluetail	not gaming, just 2D work
2022-09-15 19:07:59	artefact	cat the file, i'll make more sense
2022-09-15 19:08:23	bluetail	is it COMPUTE ?
2022-09-15 19:08:53	artefact	the card boots up into BOOTUP_DEFAULT and stays there unless you change it manually
2022-09-15 19:09:01	bluetail	oh
2022-09-15 19:09:02	bluetail	I see
2022-09-15 19:10:01	bluetail	but I doubt. I read stuff too and theres a flag that is set to 'auto'
2022-09-15 19:10:12	arojas	CoelacanthusHex: don't worry, I am well aware of KDE release schedule, there's no need to flag it.
2022-09-15 19:10:29	bluetail	this one
2022-09-15 19:10:32	bluetail	 /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_dpm_force_performance_level
2022-09-15 19:11:02	bluetail	I think this has to match with whatever profile I want to select
2022-09-15 19:11:17	bluetail	When I launch a game, the profile video is properly active
2022-09-15 19:11:21	bluetail	or 3d
2022-09-15 19:12:25	bluetail	I guess I google a bit. I know theres corectrl to setup profiles too, but doesnt work on wayland
2022-09-15 19:12:51	demonicmaniac1	the cue here is the 240 artefact MrElendig 
2022-09-15 19:13:13	demonicmaniac1	thats kinda known issue with uktra high refresh ram at max clocks
2022-09-15 19:13:22	Betal	is it okay to use sftp for public sharing? instead of nfs/smb. can it cause problems if the sftp user have sudo?
2022-09-15 19:13:58	demonicmaniac1	and when the reduced blanking causes flickers its due to weird monitor internal timings
2022-09-15 19:14:23	bluetail	demonicmaniac1 what about guessing the right frequency then
2022-09-15 19:14:29	MrElendig	Betal: don't give random people shell access
2022-09-15 19:14:43	MrElendig	Betal: and I would rather use https
2022-09-15 19:15:04	demonicmaniac1	you'd best just try if 120hz doesnt cause max ram clocks
2022-09-15 19:15:26	demonicmaniac1	can always switch to 240 for a game if you need it
2022-09-15 19:15:46	bluetail	120hz with reduced blanking?
2022-09-15 19:15:58	bluetail	cause normal also goes 'too high'
2022-09-15 19:16:06	bluetail	in fact, everything above 60hz\
2022-09-15 19:38:49	bluetail	I guess its gpuclock related
2022-09-15 20:00:57	bluetail	artefact I found out. Compute is the default profile in my circumstance
2022-09-15 20:18:26	migro	https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/whats-new/acquisition/ avast take over i-dont-care-about-cookies firefox addon
2022-09-15 20:18:27	phrik	Title: I don't care about cookies acquired by Avast | I don't care about cookies (at www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu)
2022-09-15 20:56:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-09-15 20:58:14	Betal	MrElendig: this is more of a home setup where the clients should be able to read/write (bad wording with 'public' I guess). Does https still worth in this case? noticed that webdav seems an option. Was thinking about sshfs/sftp given the 'server' already have ssh
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2022-09-15 21:01:39	MrElendig	Betal: will random people have access?
2022-09-15 21:01:46	MrElendig	also, why not smb/nfs then?
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2022-09-15 21:05:51	Psi-Jack[m]	Or Warpinator.
2022-09-15 21:06:30	Betal	MrElendig: that is why I asked, if sftp is worth for this instead of smb/nfs. No random people need to have access.
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2022-09-15 21:08:19	MrElendig	Betal: depending on the workload smb/nfs might be significantly faster
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2022-09-15 21:08:39	MrElendig	though arguably *slightly* harder to set up
2022-09-15 21:08:58	MrElendig	workload and hardware*
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2022-09-15 21:09:53	MrElendig	(can also be slower depending on workload and optimisation though)
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2022-09-15 21:11:00	MrElendig	what you are going to share between also matters of course, sftp on windows is somewhat less convenient than samba as an example
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2022-09-15 21:12:25	Psi-Jack[m]	Or even nitroshare, designed for LAN, cross platform.
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2022-09-15 21:15:39	Betal	MrElendig: if I want to use mpv/vlc and watch some video recordings from this share, and be able to skip to random locations in the video, does sftp support that? seek without downloading entire file
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2022-09-15 21:16:01	Psi-Jack[m]	No
2022-09-15 21:16:37	MrElendig	Betal: it can pretend to do seeks
2022-09-15 21:16:43	Betal	so nfs/samba are big winners for this use case?
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2022-09-15 21:17:17	MrElendig	Betal: not much difference for that use case
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2022-09-15 21:18:35	MrElendig	assuming you use a modern sftp implementation on the client side that is
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2022-09-15 21:20:10	MrElendig	Betal: try them all and use the one that  bugs out and hangs the share the least
2022-09-15 21:20:23	BrainDamage	I use sshfs and it can do seeks
2022-09-15 21:20:25	MrElendig	Betal: if nfs, make sure to use 4.2
2022-09-15 21:20:53	MrElendig	BrainDamage: kio famously didn't until a couple of years ago which was fun
2022-09-15 21:21:09	Psi-Jack[m]	heh
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2022-09-15 21:21:40	MrElendig	BrainDamage: lots of kde users complaining about oom/out of space when tryihg to watch their got blueray rip or whatever
2022-09-15 21:22:06	BrainDamage	fun
2022-09-15 21:26:44	Psi-Jack[m]	Yikes.
2022-09-15 21:26:44	MrElendig	since at least in some versions it cached the entire file locally instead
2022-09-15 21:26:44	MrElendig	iirc it stuffed it in ~/.cache/
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2022-09-15 21:26:44	Betal	MrElendig: I guess rclone is modern here? sshfs wiki page recommend it
2022-09-15 21:26:44	Psi-Jack[m]	Umm...
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2022-09-15 21:26:44	Betal	didn't know sshfs was 'archived' ~4 months ago
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2022-09-15 21:26:44	MrElendig	does rclone even do file level incremental/resume?
2022-09-15 21:26:44	MrElendig	though for the server bit it probalby need to implement seek anyway
2022-09-15 21:26:44	MrElendig	can't really understand why kio didn't have it from the start, except #justkdethings
2022-09-15 21:26:47	BrainDamage	it's not like if sshfs has no development it'll stop working overnight
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2022-09-15 21:31:02	Psi-Jack[m]	Huh, I didn't notice either about sshfs being orphaned.
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2022-09-15 22:08:29	andril	hello all
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2022-09-15 22:08:36	andril	i am having issues with my USB 3 ports not allowing USB read/write just charging - new install GNOME - any suggestions?
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2022-09-15 22:09:28	wellwm	hey there
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2022-09-15 22:10:04	artefact	are you using a charge only cable by any chance?
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2022-09-15 22:17:43	Psi-Jack[m]	And not using a USB condom?
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2022-09-15 22:29:42	gaku	Psi-Jack[m]: careful, we wouldn't want the pc to end gregnant
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2022-09-15 22:29:57	gaku	weeb: u alive?
2022-09-15 22:30:02	gaku	!tabfail
2022-09-15 22:30:02	phrik	 0  days since the last tab failure. Completion safety is our union goal!
2022-09-15 22:30:10	gaku	wellwm left it seems
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2022-09-15 22:30:28	gaku	andril: u alive?
2022-09-15 22:30:53	andril	gaku: yes lol
2022-09-15 22:31:08	gaku	andril: have you tried with several usb cables?
2022-09-15 22:31:31	andril	yes and notice the 2.0 ports work but the 3.0 just charge
2022-09-15 22:31:33	MrElendig	andril: you did click "allow" on the phone?
2022-09-15 22:31:37	gaku	since it seems the cursed charge only cables exist… i didn't know that, what a waste of cable
2022-09-15 22:31:52	andril	it doesn't even come up on those ports
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2022-09-15 22:32:17	andril	i have 4 devices and they on read/write on the 2.0 ones
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2022-09-15 22:33:10	gaku	does lsusb see the hubs?
2022-09-15 22:33:32	gaku	any weirdness/errors in the journalctl?
2022-09-15 22:34:06	MrElendig	andril: uname -a; pacman -Q linux
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2022-09-15 22:34:49	andril	MrElendig: Linux sz77r5 5.19.8-arch1-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu, 08 Sep 2022 18:07:42 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2022-09-15 22:35:07	andril	gaku: says comman not found
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2022-09-15 22:35:27	gaku	its from usbutils
2022-09-15 22:35:52	MrElendig	andril: that isn't the output from those two commands
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2022-09-15 22:37:07	andril	MrElendig: linux 5.19.8.arch1-1
2022-09-15 22:37:47	gaku	eh, uname -a already showed that
2022-09-15 22:38:21	gaku	ah, checking for kernel update and offloaded modules
2022-09-15 22:39:11	andril	gaku: that wasn't installed but i just did
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2022-09-15 22:39:55	gaku	if yeh installed it, try lsusb and look for the 3.0 hubs
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2022-09-15 22:42:41	andril	gaku: https://hastebin.com/xasasimuka.apache
2022-09-15 22:42:43	phrik	Title: Hastebin: Send and Save Text or Code Snippets for Free | Toptal® (at hastebin.com)
2022-09-15 22:42:43	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oOJG.F0FGDyty
2022-09-15 22:43:08	gaku	well they seem there
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2022-09-15 22:43:14	gaku	do usbs work in the 3.0 ports?
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2022-09-15 22:44:50	andril	yes but the phone ,handhelds and usb drives not for read/writeget power
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2022-09-15 22:45:20	andril	gaku:  yes but the phone ,handhelds and usb drivesget power
2022-09-15 22:45:44	gaku	had a stroke or something? anyhow that's really odd
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2022-09-15 22:45:47	andril	i recently added a new video card - perhaps i knocked something loose
2022-09-15 22:45:49	gaku	do they work in 2.0 at least?
2022-09-15 22:46:06	andril	yes
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2022-09-15 22:46:15	gaku	tbh you won't get any benefit on the cables for the 3.0 port afaik
2022-09-15 22:46:24	gaku	its just less ports, which sucks
2022-09-15 22:46:31	gaku	and this is a really weird bug
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2022-09-15 22:47:25	gaku	well, i guess 3.0 to usb-c maybe
2022-09-15 22:47:32	gaku	since its starting to be the new normal
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2022-09-15 22:48:22	andril	thanks 
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2022-09-15 22:49:06	gaku	try journalctl -b -f in a terminal
2022-09-15 22:49:11	gaku	then plug it to the 3.0
2022-09-15 22:49:37	gaku	either nothing happens, or an error happens
2022-09-15 22:49:57	gaku	or you could save that to a text file and paste
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2022-09-16 19:02:36	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-09-16 19:02:36	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1448 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1447 normals)
2022-09-16 18:46:54	Rayyan	jelle: i see, is there an example?
2022-09-16 18:49:36	ponies	Rayyan: [Timer]
2022-09-16 18:49:36	ponies	OnCalendar=*-*-* *:00:00
2022-09-16 18:50:04	ponies	Rayyan: runs once per day 
2022-09-16 18:51:01	ponies	*ehrm* OnCalendar=*-*-* 00:00:00
2022-09-16 18:51:10	Rayyan	ponies: won't that mean that it would only run at midnight
2022-09-16 18:51:16	Rayyan	my pc is not on all the time
2022-09-16 18:51:25	coruja	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd/Timers#Examples
2022-09-16 18:51:26	phrik	Title: systemd/Timers - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-16 18:51:40	eNV25[m]	OnCalendar=daily is same, should also work
2022-09-16 18:53:11	eNV25[m]	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd/Timers#Realtime_timer
2022-09-16 18:53:12	phrik	Title: systemd/Timers - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-16 18:53:41	Rayyan	so I need OnCalendar=daily and Persistent=true?
2022-09-16 18:54:33	eNV25[m]	yes, you can also add RandomizedDelaySec=
2022-09-16 18:54:42	eNV25[m]	see Tip
2022-09-16 19:02:37	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-09-16 19:23:53	greyltc	the emails I get from arch-announce@lists.archlinux.org seem to have bad formatting
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2022-09-16 19:25:00	greyltc	"Rewriting of the &quot;From&quot; header and subject (to prepend the list name) have been disabled to keep the DKIM signature intact."
2022-09-16 19:25:29	greyltc	For example
2022-09-16 19:25:41	sweetmeat	So I've got an interesting problem on Gnome 4x with Wine. Whenever I go to Activity view or switch virtual desktops Wine apps crash immediately. Anyone else experiencing anything like this?
2022-09-16 19:25:42	greyltc	my client is gmail
2022-09-16 19:28:31	jelle	greyltc: it's not you, it's markdown
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2022-09-16 19:30:12	demize	Markdown?
2022-09-16 19:30:16	greyltc	I thought usage of " works in markdown
2022-09-16 19:30:51	demize	I'm actually a bit confused as to where the entity encoding actually happened.
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2022-09-16 19:34:04	greyltc	one of the blue underlined links I can click in the email brings me to https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/General_guidelines#Reply_to_the_mailing_list)&quot which luckily isn't a total failure, but the #section-heading part is broken
2022-09-16 19:34:05	phrik	Title: General guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-09-16 19:35:36	demize	That in particular would presumably still be broken without entity encoding taking place though.  Auto-linking of URLs is always full of broken edge-cases.
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2022-09-16 19:36:08	demize	(Though it is a bit silly that we're sending out Markdown as text/plain, but oh well.)
2022-09-16 19:36:34	greyltc	it's the ampersand that breaks it
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2022-09-16 19:36:56	greyltc	if that wasn't there it would be fine
2022-09-16 19:37:07	demize	"Eh."  :p
2022-09-16 19:37:14	demize	Ah, I think it's Django that's entity-encoding it.
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2022-09-16 19:38:09	demize	jelle: If I give you a patch do you feel like accepting it?  I'm lazy and don't want to do everything I need to to file an MR.  :p
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2022-09-16 19:38:49	m4ksim	Hello, how long does it usually take for forum@archlinux.org to answer to emails?
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2022-09-16 19:39:05	teraflops	to registration emails?
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2022-09-16 19:39:49	m4ksim	teraflops, no, not registration emails\
2022-09-16 19:39:57	m4ksim	"Please direct any inquiries to the forum administrator at forum@archlinux.org."
2022-09-16 19:41:49	demize	There aren't many of them and they're volunteers, so it'll take until they have the time to.  \o/
2022-09-16 19:42:13	m4ksim	oh that's gonna be long
2022-09-16 19:42:19	m4ksim	I'm already waiting for like a week
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2022-09-16 19:45:48	Psi-Jack	Allllrighty. Got me a nice base cloud-init image of Arch Linux for my Proxmox VE server to work with now.
2022-09-16 19:46:15	Psi-Jack	Cept that it did not setup networking hmmm.
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2022-09-16 19:58:19	Psi-Jack	There we go. Networking too now. 🙂
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2022-09-16 20:17:54	iyanmv	arojas: hi Antonio! Quick question: will you include plasma bigscreen in the beta packages in [kde-unstable]? I wanted to give it a try before the beta day next week, but I only see plasma-bigscreen-git in AUR
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2022-09-16 20:27:45	arojas	iyanmv: I wasn't planning to, but may reconsider. What's the use case?
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2022-09-16 20:33:54	jelle	demize: sure
2022-09-16 20:34:33	jelle	demize: https://github.com/archlinux/archweb/issues/333
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2022-09-16 20:35:35	iyanmv	arojas: I don't know, it looks like an alternative to kodi. I was not even aware of the project until I saw it in the beta announcement
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2022-09-16 20:37:42	demize	jelle: Ah, heh.  Well, the only thing that should be needed to fix it is replace `{{ news.content }}` with `{{ news.content | safe }}` in `news_email_notification.txt`.
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2022-09-16 20:38:12	demize	(Though since we're sending markdown I feel like it would make sense to also switch to sending a multipart message that also contains the rendered HTML.
2022-09-16 20:38:14	demize	)
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2022-09-17 12:41:02	rapiz	Any popular tool that colorizes plain text log?
2022-09-17 12:41:31	lolok	lolcat
2022-09-17 12:42:32	rapiz	I mean you can have INFO/WARN/ERROR with different color
2022-09-17 12:42:49	rapiz	like a syntax
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2022-09-17 12:43:27	rapiz	A search leads me to https://github.com/armandino/TxtStyle but it seems not very popular
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2022-09-17 12:43:50	rapiz	So I wonder if there's something that everybody uses but I don't know
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2022-09-17 12:45:02	artefact	i don't know of anything like that. but you can just use sed
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2022-09-17 12:55:29	lolok	tbh, depending on the markup style, preyyt much any code editor you can tell to interperate as something and will look better than nothing with logs
2022-09-17 12:55:38	lolok	pretty*
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2022-09-17 20:41:03	Namarrgon	GauntletWizard: where is grub installed to?
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2022-09-17 20:44:00	witchymary	i have been issues with libsndfile since the 1.0.31 update back in the day. i pretty much keep getting this error `symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libsndfile.so.1: undefined symbol: ogg_stream_flush_fill` for anything audio related. not sure what i can do other than keep the package downgraded
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2022-09-17 20:44:44	artefact	witchymary: what program is giving you this error? you probably forgot to recompile an aur package after a sobump
2022-09-17 20:44:45	Namarrgon	witchymary: are all packages up-to-date? including the foreign ones?
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2022-09-17 20:45:19	witchymary	all packages, and this happens to packages from the repo (chromium, mpv being the most immediate examples)
2022-09-17 20:45:37	Namarrgon	can you post the pacman -Qm output?
2022-09-17 20:45:45	witchymary	when i try to compile mpv on my own it gives a libpulse error that wouldnt otherwise
2022-09-17 20:45:46	witchymary	sure
2022-09-17 20:46:05	GauntletWizard	Namarrgon: An EFI GPT Partition, nvme0n1p1
2022-09-17 20:46:09	Forty-Bot	I'm debugging a kernel oops; where can I get a kernel elf image?
2022-09-17 20:46:18	Namarrgon	GauntletWizard: where is that usually mounted to in arch?
2022-09-17 20:46:21	Forty-Bot	the linux package seems to just ship with the compressed bzimage
2022-09-17 20:46:34	Forty-Bot	in particular, I'd like debug symbols
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2022-09-17 20:48:10	GauntletWizard	I've seen suggestions for /boot/efi and /efi
2022-09-17 20:48:17	GauntletWizard	I have it mounted at /boot/efi
2022-09-17 20:48:27	Namarrgon	do you have a separate /boot fs as well?
2022-09-17 20:48:34	GauntletWizard	yes
2022-09-17 20:48:40	Namarrgon	is it mounted?
2022-09-17 20:48:42	GauntletWizard	yes
2022-09-17 20:48:45	witchymary	Namarrgon: https://pastebin.com/gK3sR1jK 
2022-09-17 20:48:46	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oOhK.2lHA4TRv
2022-09-17 20:48:46	phrik	Title: aegisub-arch1t3cht 3.2.2.r827.6b482af50-1ananicy-cpp 1.0.0.rc6-1antimicrox-g - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-09-17 20:48:54	Namarrgon	GauntletWizard: wsa it mounted when you installed grub to the ESP?
2022-09-17 20:48:59	GauntletWizard	And I've verified they were mounted in the right order with stat
2022-09-17 20:49:09	GauntletWizard	yeah
2022-09-17 20:49:19	Namarrgon	GauntletWizard: umount it and check what is in /boot
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2022-09-17 20:50:16	GauntletWizard	There's *also* a grub efi image on /boot, as a result of earlier mistakes
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2022-09-17 20:50:38	Namarrgon	which mistakes?
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2022-09-17 20:52:18	Namarrgon	make sure what you have a working archiso, then clean up all the grub stuff that shouldn't exist
2022-09-17 20:52:25	Namarrgon	s/what/that/
2022-09-17 20:53:22	GauntletWizard	my grub install line is `grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader-id=GRUB` and I previously ran `grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/ --bootloader-id=GRUB` (direct from other install instructions)
2022-09-17 20:54:49	Namarrgon	do you have more than this one GRUB entry on the esp?
2022-09-17 20:55:37	GauntletWizard	I think so, I tried --removable which I think created a BOOT version of grub
2022-09-17 20:56:00	Namarrgon	where is the grub.cfg?
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2022-09-17 20:57:26	GauntletWizard	http://sprunge.us/0EnPGN
2022-09-17 20:57:53	Namarrgon	oh my
2022-09-17 20:58:15	GauntletWizard	Yeah, two full copies of grub
2022-09-17 20:58:22	GauntletWizard	I've deleted /boot/grub now
2022-09-17 20:58:29	Namarrgon	that was the wrong one
2022-09-17 20:58:51	Namarrgon	you have /boot/efi/EFI/{GRUB,arch}, you probably don't want both of them
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2022-09-17 20:59:33	Namarrgon	/boot/grub is where by default installs its modules, to, unless overriden. you definitely want to keep that.
2022-09-17 20:59:56	Namarrgon	that is also where it reads the config from, not from /boot/efi/grub
2022-09-17 21:00:43	GauntletWizard	Wait, it wants to read grub.cfg from my /boot partition, not the ESP?
2022-09-17 21:01:24	Namarrgon	it reads it from /boot/grub/grub.cfg, where ever that happens to be when you run grub-install
2022-09-17 21:01:32	GauntletWizard	I seeeeeee
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2022-09-17 21:11:43	uuidNuni1	GauntletWizard: if you delete /boo/grub, you won't boot. 
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2022-09-17 21:17:57	GauntletWizard	awesome
2022-09-17 21:17:59	GauntletWizard	Okay
2022-09-17 21:18:01	GauntletWizard	I boot now
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2022-09-17 21:23:19	TheDcoder	Can anyone figure out what's wrong with this OpenVPN command?: `openvpn --suppress-timestamps --nobind --config %i.ovpn −−auth−user−pass auth.txt`
2022-09-17 21:23:20	TheDcoder	This is the error I get: `Options error: Unrecognized option or missing or extra parameter(s) in [CMD-LINE]:1: config (2.5.7)`
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2022-09-17 21:28:11	uuidNuni1	auth−user−pass auth-user-pass
2022-09-17 21:28:18	uuidNuni1	are they the same?
2022-09-17 21:29:20	uuidNuni1	TheDcoder: the first one is yours. 
2022-09-17 21:29:38	uuidNuni1	it is a different '-'
2022-09-17 21:29:52	astralc	mangled dashes 
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2022-09-17 21:31:27	nattiestnate	hi, i just switched to pipewire as a pulseaudio replacement. all my programs that utilise pulseaudio still works, however when i boot up there's a little delay until my pactl commands return something (i have a script with pactl for volume status). does anyone know why that could be?
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2022-09-17 21:31:50	uuidNuni1	printf "%s\n" "auth−user−pass" "auth-user-pass" | diff
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2022-09-17 21:40:20	TheDcoder	Ahh, thanks uuidNuni1
2022-09-17 21:40:52	TheDcoder	astralc: Indeed, copied them from the HTML generated by man...
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2022-09-18 13:52:20	bluetail	sunyibo what I do is to disable the main display but enable the external ones. In i3, I use  xrandr --output eDP1 --off and then autorandr --save work . Afterwards, I add 'exec /usr/bin/autorandr --load work' or so to i3 and I'm done
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2022-09-18 13:53:17	artefact	bluetail: they're using wayland
2022-09-18 13:53:35	artefact	but on x11, $(xrandr --primary) should just work
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2022-09-18 13:54:33	bluetail	I see. on wayland theres sway, but I use modelines since my monitors frequency is above 60hz. Otherwise I require a EDID override since the one thats used makes my gpu run at 100% memclock
2022-09-18 13:54:43	bluetail	(that saves 40w)
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2022-09-18 13:55:28	artefact	heh. nothing against you, but that sounds pretty janky for a 10+ year old thing that claims to be ready to replace the desktop =)
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2022-09-18 13:55:54	bluetail	you mean modelines?
2022-09-18 13:56:06	bluetail	what do you mean?
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2022-09-18 13:56:19	artefact	never mind
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2022-09-18 13:56:53	bluetail	You are such a tease :| I wanted to know 
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2022-09-18 13:59:50	⚡ 	astralc think he meant wayland is janky
2022-09-18 13:59:53	kiritokamui	hi
2022-09-18 14:00:05	kiritokamui	do anyone here is using archlinux arm ?
2022-09-18 14:00:11	MrElendig	wrong channel
2022-09-18 14:00:16	kiritokamui	sorry
2022-09-18 14:00:22	MrElendig	its a seperate distro
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2022-09-18 14:01:03	bluetail	I actually think both wayland and x11 are janky
2022-09-18 14:01:18	astralc	but in different ways
2022-09-18 14:01:25	kiritokamui	@MrLending do you know where I could ask my question ? its about ArchLinux ARM virtual machine on macbook air with M1 chip
2022-09-18 14:01:27	bluetail	kiritokamui I do
2022-09-18 14:01:36	bluetail	Hey why
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2022-09-18 14:01:44	MrElendig	kiritokamui: they have their own irc channel, ask in it?
2022-09-18 14:01:45	bluetail	isnt there #asahi on oftc.net
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2022-09-18 14:02:03	MrElendig	!alarm
2022-09-18 14:02:04	phrik	If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
2022-09-18 14:02:06	kiritokamui	@bluetail thanks I'll try
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2022-09-18 14:02:23	MrElendig	asahi doesn't do archlinux arm support either
2022-09-18 14:02:30	bluetail	its port 6697 with TLS enabled
2022-09-18 14:02:33	kiritokamui	@phrik thanks you
2022-09-18 14:02:57	kiritokamui	@MrLending I just plan to use archlinux ARM in a virtual machine
2022-09-18 14:03:00	kiritokamui	by
2022-09-18 14:03:07	kiritokamui	bye*
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2022-09-18 14:03:42	astralc	be nice to the bots, it may save your life
2022-09-18 14:03:46	MrElendig	1. use your tab key 2. irc is not twitter, don't use @, on irc a @ means op
2022-09-18 14:03:56	bluetail	astralc friend of mine claims X11 is always less laggy than wayland
2022-09-18 14:04:13	MrElendig	get new friends
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2022-09-18 14:08:57	bluetail	What is your method of measurement?
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2022-09-18 14:10:37	bluetail	I read somewhere that sway enforces vsync but idk if its true
2022-09-18 14:10:44	bluetail	is there a way I can find out?
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2022-09-18 14:11:49	MrElendig	bluetail: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/65
2022-09-18 14:11:52	phrik	Title: Tearing updates protocol (!65) · Merge requests · wayland / wayland-protocols · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
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2022-09-18 14:12:31	Ennea	i wish wayland wasn't so darn broken for me :<
2022-09-18 14:12:42	bluetail	Ennea what doesnt work?
2022-09-18 14:13:09	bluetail	MrElendig thats open since... a year? And still not merged?
2022-09-18 14:13:12	Ennea	running kde via wayland on an nvidia gpu (proprietary drivers): renderings all fudged, and kde itself has some bugs that may also be rendering related
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2022-09-18 14:13:46	Ennea	specifically, firefox noticeably flickers sometimes, displaying old framebuffers for a few frames. and kde's application launcher, volume control and other things that open up from the panel just stop showing at some point
2022-09-18 14:13:55	Ennea	like i can open them once or twice, and afterwards they just don't open anymore
2022-09-18 14:14:35	MrElendig	Ennea: kde is pretty damn broken on amd and intel hardware too
2022-09-18 14:14:43	MrElendig	Ennea: both on X and wayland :p
2022-09-18 14:14:54	Ennea	seems to work pretty much excellently on X, thankfully
2022-09-18 14:15:00	MrElendig	Ennea: eg the fix for windows forgetting their position just got into the 5.26 beta
2022-09-18 14:15:04	Ennea	but yea, i've already heard yesterday that kde + wayland is a recipe for disaster
2022-09-18 14:15:09	MrElendig	Ennea: after having being an open bug for 15! years
2022-09-18 14:15:16	MrElendig	Ennea: on xorg
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2022-09-18 14:15:43	Ennea	don't think (know if?) i encountered that bug yet. probably not
2022-09-18 14:15:52	bluetail	kde is broken in itself
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2022-09-18 14:15:59	MrElendig	Ennea: not used >1 screens?
2022-09-18 14:16:00	bluetail	they decided to only support their environment
2022-09-18 14:16:18	bluetail	so if I have a problem with KDE, thats because I dont use a KDE environment :/
2022-09-18 14:16:24	Ennea	bluetail, i've also heard that yesterday, but it seems to work well so far
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2022-09-18 14:16:36	bluetail	whats your gpu clock at
2022-09-18 14:16:39	bluetail	your memclock
2022-09-18 14:17:02	bluetail	I resolved flicker by not letting it go to 97MHz 
2022-09-18 14:17:07	◣	mizu (~mizu@user/mizu) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-09-18 14:17:21	bluetail	but thats not wayland related, but modeline related
2022-09-18 14:17:29	bluetail	 /edid
2022-09-18 14:17:44	Ennea	MrElendig, to put you into some context, i installed arch yesterday, after 20+ years of windows. i did try my dual monitor setup for a few hours, currently running only one because kde + X feels better/faster that way. pretty sure the issue with running both at the same time via X is the difference in refresh rates (120 and 60 hz)
2022-09-18 14:18:04	Ennea	bluetail, i'd have to look that up and into that. will keep it in mind, thank you
2022-09-18 14:18:44	bluetail	what gpu do you use?
2022-09-18 14:19:07	bluetail	if on amd, use 'cat /sys/class/drm/card0/device/pp_dpm_mclk'
2022-09-18 14:19:08	Ennea	3080
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2022-09-18 14:19:18	bluetail	oh... nvidia...
2022-09-18 14:19:23	Ennea	yea, as i said earlier ;D
2022-09-18 14:19:23	bluetail	is that different? idk, can u try?
2022-09-18 14:19:35	bluetail	should work... perhaps?
2022-09-18 14:19:41	Ennea	i can in a bit. currently on the windows side of things (dual boot) taking care of.. windows things :)
2022-09-18 14:19:58	bluetail	what are you doing in specific?
2022-09-18 14:20:06	bluetail	and why does that not work on linux
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2022-09-18 14:20:35	lolok	heresy! burn him at the stake, then ban his lifeless corpse!
2022-09-18 14:21:03	Ennea	just setting up windows again ;D i considered just cloning my old windows installation, but decided to start fresh, as i eventually want to transition to linux fully (assuming i can, ever)
2022-09-18 14:21:16	Ennea	so i've been more or less constantly switching between windows and linux, setting each up bit by bit
2022-09-18 14:21:51	bluetail	I also have both, but just for testing out cross-platform capabilities of my tools
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2022-09-18 14:21:59	Ennea	anyway, my specific card's memory clock according to the manufacturer is 1188mhz
2022-09-18 14:22:15	bluetail	thats your max clock probably
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2022-09-18 14:22:19	bluetail	but what is your current idle clock
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2022-09-18 14:22:26	Ennea	oh yea, good call
2022-09-18 14:22:35	Ennea	give me a few minutes, finishing something up
2022-09-18 14:22:47	lolok	after you get used to updating on linux, and a windows update tanks for 2 hours and starts boot looping, eventually youll just change the boot order
2022-09-18 14:22:48	Ennea	as for why windows: i game a lot, including quite a few games that will not run on linux due to their anti-cheat solutions
2022-09-18 14:23:08	Ennea	lolok, my boot order already prefers linux. also, it's been at least half a decade since i've had that happen
2022-09-18 14:23:18	Ennea	h4rd3n3d, thank you! and good to know :)
2022-09-18 14:23:25	⚡ 	MrElendig have intel, amd and nvidia, and hate all of them
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2022-09-18 14:23:59	MrElendig	they all suck just for slightly different reasons
2022-09-18 14:24:15	bluetail	I dont like whatever apple uses for their gpu or their implementation
2022-09-18 14:24:24	bluetail	it feels always 'different', no matter what I do. 
2022-09-18 14:24:29	lolok	if you love a corporation i feel bad for you son i got 99 problems but a sheep aint one
2022-09-18 14:24:42	MrElendig	apple traditionally used amd
2022-09-18 14:24:56	MrElendig	but uses metal instead of vulcan/opengl
2022-09-18 14:25:09	MrElendig	s/metal/whatever their api is called/
2022-09-18 14:25:21	MrElendig	oh yea it is metal
2022-09-18 14:26:05	bluetail	I suspect it has todo with their physical ports and gpu implementation
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2022-09-18 14:26:19	bluetail	that flicker you described
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2022-09-18 14:26:38	bluetail	it is present on an intel mac 2019, a m1 mac mini, and a macbook pro 2016
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2022-09-18 14:27:56	bluetail	I mean, I know exactly what you mean since I had those issues myself
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2022-09-18 14:28:28	bluetail	its just that apple doesnt even give you any possibility to fix it on your own and they claim that you use it wrong
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2022-09-18 14:34:17	Ennea	bluetail, that particular path for the memory clock doesn't appear to exist
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2022-09-18 14:34:17	bluetail	lets look how to show mem clock for nvidia...
2022-09-18 14:34:17	Ennea	there are no others beside it that look they'd contain the same info
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2022-09-18 14:34:17	bluetail	I have no clue how to do that on nvidia, probably would resort to one of the 'oc tools'  they have for nvidia to check what clock its running
2022-09-18 14:34:17	Ennea	you think the memory clock would be causing the flickers, though?
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2022-09-18 14:34:17	bluetail	yea
2022-09-18 14:34:17	bluetail	if it runs too low
2022-09-18 14:34:17	Namarrgon	does nvidia-smi no longer show the clocks?
2022-09-18 14:34:17	Ennea	ohh, too low. hm
2022-09-18 14:34:17	bluetail	the thing is
2022-09-18 14:34:18	bluetail	it can run too low but you require too much bandwidth
2022-09-18 14:34:32	bluetail	and then what you can do is to force it in all other memclock states other than the lowest
2022-09-18 14:34:35	bluetail	thats what I did on AMD...
2022-09-18 15:07:07	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-09-18 15:23:44	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-09-18 15:23:44	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1446 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1445 normals)
2022-09-18 15:13:14	chovy	cyphertite: how do i set pacman to use testing?
2022-09-18 15:13:21	chovy	and yay
2022-09-18 15:14:44	jelle	chovy: discord 0.20 is not in testing 
2022-09-18 15:16:01	Warepire	(Trying to learn how to configure cloud-init based VMs following https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Cloud-init ) Should the run_archiso command from the archiso package be able to start the cloudinit qcow2 image? From the looks of it that should be possible with "run_archiso -i <qcow2-image> -d" but SeaBIOS says there are no bootable devices.
2022-09-18 15:16:02	phrik	Title: Cloud-init - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-18 15:18:35	chovy	jelle: where is it?
2022-09-18 15:18:52	cyphertite	chovy:  as jelle said, testing is not necessary for discord.  If you want (for some other reason) the testing repos enabled, uncomment ALL of them in /etc/pacman.conf
2022-09-18 15:18:59	jelle	chovy: what mirror are you using..
2022-09-18 15:19:27	chovy	http://sprunge.us/VOjUXW
2022-09-18 15:19:43	chovy	idk. i keep updating them but it still just says 0.19.1
2022-09-18 15:20:18	Warepire	https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/discord/
2022-09-18 15:20:19	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - discord 0.0.20-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-09-18 15:20:45	jelle	chovy: how do you "update"
2022-09-18 15:20:56	jelle	also you didn't provide what mirror you use
2022-09-18 15:21:25	chovy	jelle: how do i know which mirror I'm using? I'm just doing sudo pacman -S discord
2022-09-18 15:21:51	jelle	chovy: you said you updated your mirrors, how did you do that
2022-09-18 15:22:02	chovy	$ sudo pacman-mirrors --country all --api --protocols all
2022-09-18 15:22:28	jelle	what the hell is that
2022-09-18 15:22:50	jelle	chovy: upload /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist to sprunge.us
2022-09-18 15:23:21	astralc	are you on manjaro?
2022-09-18 15:23:28	astralc	and not arch?
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2022-09-18 15:40:44	gaku	or they try and find a random internet guide with a bunch of commands or, forbid, an instruction to curl .. | bash
2022-09-18 15:41:04	gaku	Psi-Jack[m]: i wouldn\
2022-09-18 15:41:09	gaku	darnit, i wouldn
2022-09-18 15:41:18	cyphertite	chovy:  in response to your 'how long does it take' query, on my end about:  15 m for a manual Arch install, then about another 15-20 minutes for a plasma-meta and then kde-applications-meta installation.  Reboots required ;p
2022-09-18 15:41:31	gaku	fatfinger, i would not call "doing a few clicks" a learning curve
2022-09-18 15:42:00	gaku	Psi-Jack[m]: installing a random distro end with the likely scenario that you'll have no idea how it works fundamentally
2022-09-18 15:42:12	Ennea	gonna repost my earlier issue/question: i can't change my keyboard layout using kde's systemsettings. i think (probably) that those settings were not greyed out immediately after installing arch + kde, but they are now. any ideas? because google doesn't find anything useful
2022-09-18 15:42:12	gaku	or what the heck are the defaults for it
2022-09-18 15:43:07	Namarrgon	Ennea: kde on x11 or wayland? does it work on a clean user account?
2022-09-18 15:43:24	Ennea	neither work. clean user account is a good question, let me look into that real quick
2022-09-18 15:43:25	astralc	Ennea: isn't there a checkbox for it in the settings, to allow keyboard layout modification?
2022-09-18 15:43:36	Ennea	astralc, not that i can see
2022-09-18 15:43:45	Ennea	or is that elsewhere in the settings, and not in the keyboard settings? :D
2022-09-18 15:44:12	Ennea	the "keyboard model" dropdown is just also already greyed out (when it wasn't before), so i assume that's the issue
2022-09-18 15:44:39	astralc	in "configure layouts"?
2022-09-18 15:44:58	Ennea	that's not a page/menu entry i have
2022-09-18 15:45:28	astralc	keyboard -> layout tab
2022-09-18 15:47:00	Ennea	Namarrgon, yea, also broken on a clean user account
2022-09-18 15:47:12	Ennea	astralc, that's just all entirely greyed out
2022-09-18 15:47:20	Ennea	i can't do anything on that page
2022-09-18 15:47:32	Namarrgon	were there any kde updates?
2022-09-18 15:47:40	gaku	maybe a new optional dependency?
2022-09-18 15:47:46	Ennea	i literally installed arch and kde yesterday
2022-09-18 15:48:10	Ennea	must've worked shortly after i was finished installing everything, and then broke at some point i suppose
2022-09-18 15:48:16	Namarrgon	did you install kde via one of the meta-packages?
2022-09-18 15:48:27	Ennea	kde itself, yes
2022-09-18 15:48:41	Ennea	i also had the applications meta package installed, and then uninstalled that and only installed a select few of those
2022-09-18 15:49:00	Ennea	i had suspected that may be the issue and have re-installed some of the sub-meta packages for the applications
2022-09-18 15:49:04	Ennea	the ones i thought might be related
2022-09-18 15:49:07	Ennea	no dice though
2022-09-18 15:49:54	Ennea	astralc, the layout view btw https://i.imgur.com/8oEwfFp.png
2022-09-18 15:50:51	Namarrgon	is this a laptop?
2022-09-18 15:51:14	Ennea	nope, desktop
2022-09-18 15:51:40	Namarrgon	did you configure anything in kde's language settings?
2022-09-18 15:52:04	Ennea	i did, because somebody suggested that maybe adding more languages might re-enable that keyboard layout stuff. did not help
2022-09-18 15:52:16	gaku	if its broken even on a new user account, its most likely a dep missing
2022-09-18 15:52:34	Ennea	think i should try re-installing the applications meta package? ;p
2022-09-18 15:52:50	gaku	or checking the package info of some
2022-09-18 15:53:08	gaku	or weird error logs
2022-09-18 15:53:10	astralc	did you installed plasma-meta?
2022-09-18 15:53:19	Ennea	wasn't it kde-meta?
2022-09-18 15:53:30	gaku	nope
2022-09-18 15:53:37	Ennea	no, yea, it's plasma-meta
2022-09-18 15:53:48	Ennea	hm, i think so. maybe i used the plasma group package for that particular step
2022-09-18 15:53:50	Ennea	let me check
2022-09-18 15:54:17	Ennea	yea, looks like i went with the group
2022-09-18 15:54:52	gaku	i find infuriating that the GUI doesn't report the reason for it being disabled
2022-09-18 15:54:57	Ennea	same..
2022-09-18 15:55:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-09-18 15:55:21	Ennea	i don't think they expect it to not work. as i said, the keyboard layout dropdown is greyed out, empty
2022-09-18 15:55:31	Ennea	and systemsettings also crashed if i hit the "defaults" button on the page that dropdown is on
2022-09-18 15:55:39	Ennea	so my guess is nobody ever expects that to not function
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2022-09-18 17:22:00	Ennea	astralc, Namarrgon, bluetail: finally got it working. it was my idiocy (because what else) :) i left some unfinished changes inside /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml. running systemsettings in the terminal also printed an error that it failed to parse that file. so i removed those changes and now it's all working again
2022-09-18 17:22:48	Namarrgon	you understand that you shouldn't mess around in /usr and that the changes will be undone on the next package update?
2022-09-18 17:23:03	Ennea	i do
2022-09-18 17:23:29	Ennea	it's just the way i used to do it on my work machine, and i quickly wanted to deploy my custom keyboard layout yesterday
2022-09-18 17:23:36	Ennea	now to figure out how to actually and cleanly do that...
2022-09-18 17:24:59	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-09-18 17:32:16	Ennea	turns out there is no "clean" solution. looks like i will have to edit quite a few files in /usr/share/X11/xkb for this to work
2022-09-18 17:32:32	Ennea	at least from what i can find on the net. unless you know of a better way, Namarrgon?
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2022-09-18 17:34:44	Namarrgon	Ennea: what did you modify and why are you still using evdev instead of libinput?
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2022-09-18 17:36:42	Ennea	i have a modified file from /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols lying around here. as for why evdev, it's what i know, so to speak. i also found a reddit post (https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/hmnutx/xkb_custom_keyboard_layouts_for_kde_in_arch_linux/) explaining that those files would need changing for the custom layout to appear in KDE's systemsettings gui
2022-09-18 17:36:43	phrik	Title: XKB custom keyboard layouts for KDE in Arch Linux : linux (at old.reddit.com)
2022-09-18 17:36:49	Ennea	first i've heard of libinput, to be honest
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2022-09-18 17:37:36	furt_box	xmonad or suckless?? 
2022-09-18 17:37:43	furt_box	or i3?
2022-09-18 17:37:54	Ennea	i'd just try them all and see what you like best :)
2022-09-18 17:38:06	teraflops	Ennea: have you ever heard of /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d either?
2022-09-18 17:38:22	Ennea	teraflops, nope, haven't
2022-09-18 17:38:41	Ennea	furt_box, a friend of mine swears by awesomewm, maybe add that to the list ;)
2022-09-18 17:38:42	furt_box	im using suckless right now but i see alot of people going on about xmon
2022-09-18 17:38:54	furt_box	ohh yea i forgot about awsome
2022-09-18 17:39:05	Ennea	teraflops, is there a wiki article you can point me to? i got the libinput one open already, about to read it, is that enough?
2022-09-18 17:39:27	Ennea	furt_box, ultimately, _you_ should use what works for _you_. try everything, keep what you like best
2022-09-18 17:39:36	Namarrgon	so you only remapped some keys=
2022-09-18 17:39:37	teraflops	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg/Keyboard_configuration
2022-09-18 17:39:39	phrik	Title: Xorg/Keyboard configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-09-18 17:39:57	Ennea	Namarrgon, i added some altgr-bindings and that's it, basically
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2022-09-18 17:40:13	Ennea	because i don't like US international, but i want some extra characters on my layout that i insert via altgr+something
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2022-09-18 17:41:15	Ennea	teraflops, thanks, but that doesn't seem to cover custom layouts
2022-09-18 17:41:16	Namarrgon	does xmodmap not work for this?
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2022-09-18 17:41:58	furt_box	thx ennea yea ill keep trying diff just wondering if other have found any pit falls in the options
2022-09-18 17:43:01	Ennea	Namarrgon, no clue, haven't heard of that either (started using linux productively at home yesterday). reading the intro blurb on its wiki page, it sounds a bit old and like there'd be some better alternatives perhaps. i'll read it though, thank you
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2022-09-18 17:44:51	mpbsd	there's a bunch of useful information in 'man xkeyboard-config'; I've found some key combinations for xorg only there (like shifts_toggle, ctrls_toggle, etc)
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2022-09-18 17:46:27	Ennea	that stuff is great for sure, but what i'm really after is adding special characters to my keyboard layout
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2022-09-18 17:46:39	Ennea	via altgr combinations
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2022-09-18 17:46:48	mpbsd	oh I see, my bad
2022-09-18 17:47:10	teraflops	Ennea: there's .XCompose as well
2022-09-18 17:47:48	Ennea	would rather not have to use the compose key, but thank you
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2022-09-18 17:48:46	Namarrgon	why not?
2022-09-18 17:48:59	◣	gaku (~GaKu999@user/gaku999) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2022-09-18 17:49:50	Ennea	because i'm used to my altgr bindings
2022-09-18 17:49:55	Ennea	(and have the same on windows)
2022-09-18 17:50:09	ℹ 	Mathisen_ es conocido ahora como Mathisen
2022-09-18 17:50:45	mpbsd	I didn't know about .XCompose =) I liked it
2022-09-18 17:52:07	vladh	Ennea: is this what you need? https://git.sr.ht/~vladh/dotfiles/tree/main/item/.sys/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/vladh
2022-09-18 17:52:09	phrik	Title: ~vladh/dotfiles: .sys/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/vladh - sourcehut git (at git.sr.ht)
2022-09-18 17:52:46	vladh	fyi the bindings are: regular, shift, altgr, shift+altgr
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2022-09-18 17:53:18	demented	hello
2022-09-18 17:53:33	demented	can i ask for some help here
2022-09-18 17:53:35	Ennea	vladh, the discussion initially started because somebody pointed out that i shouldn't edit evdev.xml and a bunch of other files in /usr :)
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2022-09-18 17:53:45	ayekat	!give demented ask
2022-09-18 17:53:46	phrik	demented: Don't ask to ask, if anyone is here or alive, or uses something. Just ask, and we'll get moving along. Thanks.
2022-09-18 17:53:58	demented	ok i was just wondering if im allowed to ask 
2022-09-18 17:54:04	demented	i have the network interface 'wlan0' and i want to run a specific process through it while using 'ensp3s0' for everything else
2022-09-18 17:54:04	demented	i made a network namespace with
2022-09-18 17:54:04	demented	ip netns add test
2022-09-18 17:54:04	demented	since iw dev showed my wifi adapter as phy0, i added my network interface to that namespace with
2022-09-18 17:54:04	demented	iw phy phy0 set netns name test
2022-09-18 17:54:06	demented	after i did this, i could no longer see my wifi adapter in ip addr,  iw dev or nmcli
2022-09-18 17:54:10	Ennea	i have my own symbols file already, but yea, that's basically what i need. i was looking for a way to add this to the list of layouts cleanly, so that future package updates don't overwrite anything. but it looks like there's no such way ;)
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2022-09-18 17:54:23	furt_box	your aloud to ask but ennea will just tell _you_ to do it yourself
2022-09-18 17:54:45	Psi-Jack	furt_box: alowed. 🙂
2022-09-18 17:54:46	Ennea	furt_box, hey, just wanted to give you a little pep talk earlier :p or something like that
2022-09-18 17:54:47	furt_box	"glares at ennea"
2022-09-18 17:54:56	vladh	Ennea: ah, there might be a better place to put it (I would love to hear what it is), but I've been using this for a while with no issues
2022-09-18 17:55:02	furt_box	ohh im just being silly your all good
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2022-09-18 17:55:14	Ennea	vladh, from my last ~30 mins of googling, it really seems like there's no better way
2022-09-18 17:55:26	vladh	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2022-09-18 17:56:01	furt_box	im watching james may wreck an evo
2022-09-18 17:56:21	demented	does anyone know why my interface doesnt show up after i changed its namespace with "iw phy phy0 set netns name test"?
2022-09-18 17:56:47	demented	or if theres an easier way to run a process through a specific network interface
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2022-09-18 17:58:55	Namarrgon	demented: ip netns exec test ip link
2022-09-18 17:59:34	furt_box	^^ that looks right
2022-09-18 17:59:40	demented	oh yeah it does appear there
2022-09-18 17:59:50	demented	ok so
2022-09-18 17:59:55	demented	yeah thanks ur right
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2022-09-18 18:00:02	furt_box	not sure how you made it disappear tho
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2022-09-18 18:00:17	demented	no wlan0 does appear in netns exec
2022-09-18 18:00:21	demented	i just havent tried that
2022-09-18 18:00:26	furt_box	ahh
2022-09-18 18:00:29	furt_box	gotcha
2022-09-18 18:00:30	demented	now my problem is, i cant actually use the exec command without root
2022-09-18 18:00:37	demented	and i cant run firefox with root
2022-09-18 18:00:55	demented	so i need to allow my normal user to use ip netns exec test 
2022-09-18 18:01:01	◣	ridge (~ridge@user/ridge) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-09-18 18:01:05	furt_box	hmm
2022-09-18 18:01:10	reaVer	hey, nvidia-settings (and xrandr) are no longer showing 120Hz refresh rate for my TV, can anyone help me?
2022-09-18 18:01:16	Namarrgon	what are you actually trying to do with firefox?
2022-09-18 18:01:21	demented	just a test
2022-09-18 18:01:22	reaVer	same cable, same drivers
2022-09-18 18:01:37	Namarrgon	same drivers as what?
2022-09-18 18:01:47	reaVer	from when it did show 120hz
2022-09-18 18:01:56	Namarrgon	same kernel, too?
2022-09-18 18:02:01	Namarrgon	something must have changed
2022-09-18 18:02:11	reaVer	yes same kernel too
2022-09-18 18:02:13	furt_box	what did you update?
2022-09-18 18:02:21	Namarrgon	pacman -Q linux nvidia
2022-09-18 18:02:29	furt_box	or modify recently change
2022-09-18 18:02:36	demented	actually 'ip netns exec test nmcli' doesnt show the interface
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2022-09-18 18:02:46	demented	nvm
2022-09-18 18:02:48	demented	its cuz its down
2022-09-18 18:02:57	furt_box	i was just gonna say to check that
2022-09-18 18:03:07	reaVer	furt_box: nothing
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2022-09-18 18:03:21	demented	but still it doesnt show up after its up, it shows me the devices from my normal namespace
2022-09-18 18:04:16	furt_box	so you see the devices under your current namespace
2022-09-18 18:04:22	demented	yes
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2022-09-18 18:04:57	furt_box	hmm have you switched to the other ns to see if it shows?
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2022-09-18 18:05:37	demented	im not sure how and idk what that would do, would it switch all my current programs to using the other network namespace? cuz i dont want that
2022-09-18 18:05:46	demented	i just want to run 1 process through another interface
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2022-09-18 18:07:12	susi	demented: is that of correct format, man says "ip netns exec NETNS ip [ opts ] obj { cmd | help }" (where NETNS is the namespcae)
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2022-09-18 18:08:43	demented	susi: the "ip netns exec test ip addr" command works properly and it shows the interface on the other namespace, i think the problem is within networkmanager
2022-09-18 18:08:45	furt_box	dem: yea it would be a system wide change.
2022-09-18 18:08:51	DaveLib	hello   my recently download live arch gets no WIFI  I did lspci in live arch and got item for ethernet but nothing for WIFI   I have a WIFI donle in usb which does work automatically for my installed Windows 11 on this computer     I had in recent days turned of fast boot and hibernate in Windows 11   and just checked and confirmed both are turned off
2022-09-18 18:09:16	demented	ah well i cant do that furt
2022-09-18 18:09:30	furt_box	i think your on the right path with netmanager
2022-09-18 18:09:57	Namarrgon	DaveLib: lspci does not list usb devices, try lsusb
2022-09-18 18:09:59	furt_box	it feels like the system is only searching the current namespace as that is the system wide configuration option
2022-09-18 18:10:11	demented	yea i think thats how networkmanager is made to work
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2022-09-18 18:10:35	demented	i could tyr connecting to wifi with another tool
2022-09-18 18:10:40	furt_box	i have never actually ran into this issue but it smells of something similar 
2022-09-18 18:10:56	furt_box	yea give that a shot
2022-09-18 18:11:08	◣	heat (~heat@sortix/contributor/heat) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-09-18 18:11:14	Namarrgon	demented: nmcli is a frontend for the NetworkManager deamon, nmcli does not directly interact with network devices
2022-09-18 18:11:29	Namarrgon	you'd have to run the daemon in the ns, too
2022-09-18 18:11:42	DaveLib	thanks Namarrgon   I am Windows for Internet to talk here  must leave to reboot to live arch
2022-09-18 18:12:05	Namarrgon	DaveLib: which usb dongle is this?
2022-09-18 18:12:09	furt_box	yes Nama that was what i was mentioning before about not working in the current ns
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2022-09-18 18:12:56	demented	uh how would i start the daemon in another namespace
2022-09-18 18:13:17	DaveLib	the clerk in the store when i bought the computer just stuck it in as a freebie     how i can i check what it is?
2022-09-18 18:13:18	Namarrgon	you probably shouldn't
2022-09-18 18:13:37	demented	so how do i connect to wifi from the other interface
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2022-09-18 18:13:49	DaveLib	If i could check here in Windows 11   i could answer right away without a reboot
2022-09-18 18:13:50	demented	i thought about using iwctl but is it a good idea to have both iwd and networkmanager running?
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2022-09-18 18:14:13	Namarrgon	DaveLib: click through the device manager-details of if its driver
2022-09-18 18:14:21	Namarrgon	s/if//
2022-09-18 18:14:43	DaveLib	thanks Namarrgon
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2022-09-18 18:15:03	Namarrgon	demented: you might want to experiment with a wired connection, so you don't have to involve any of the supplicant tooling
2022-09-18 18:15:09	bluepenquin	demented: If you are using NM to control it don't have iwd process or the systemd units running. NM will manage it on it's own.
2022-09-18 18:15:25	Namarrgon	on a wired connection you can just start a dhcp client or simply add the ip/route via "ip"
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2022-09-18 18:15:33	demented	i cant do a wired connection
2022-09-18 18:15:45	demented	my main connection is wired
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2022-09-18 18:17:11	Soulmadness12	demented, what do you mean by that exactly?
2022-09-18 18:17:22	demented	bluepenquin: nmcli is failing to see an interface from my other namespace
2022-09-18 18:17:48	furt_box	im looking into for ya demented but this seams a bit off trail so im not 100% how to make it work without a serious amount of modification
2022-09-18 18:18:08	demented	Soulmadness12: i mean that i dont have 2 ethernet ports and i dont have a cable for the 2nd internet connection anyway
2022-09-18 18:19:28	demented	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NetworkManager#Running_in_a_network_namespace
2022-09-18 18:19:29	phrik	Title: NetworkManager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-18 18:19:31	demented	this might help
2022-09-18 18:19:33	DaveLib	ok in Windows 11 Device Manager I have under Netword adptors:   Realtek RTL8188EU wireless LAN 802
2022-09-18 18:20:02	Soulmadness12	demented, ah okay. That makes more sense rather than what you said. I thought you meant I can't do a wired connection but my main connection is wired. I was like: are you saying you're connected to the internet but not..?
2022-09-18 18:20:34	DaveLib	i also have Windows driver details for that:   both in C:\Windows\System32\drivers\
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2022-09-18 18:20:52	demented	wow that worked
2022-09-18 18:21:01	demented	altohugh
2022-09-18 18:21:02	DaveLib	rtwlanu.sys    and vwifibus.sys
2022-09-18 18:21:02	furt_box	you got it?
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2022-09-18 18:21:24	demented	it changed the NetworkManager namespace outside of ip netns exec too
2022-09-18 18:21:34	demented	but i still seem to have my wired connection working so it might not be a problem
2022-09-18 18:22:45	furt_box	yes it will alter the system wide ns resolution to opperate on the alternate ns
2022-09-18 18:23:02	demented	im still on my wired connection tho
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2022-09-18 18:23:16	furt_box	does it work?
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2022-09-18 18:23:29	demented	my wired connection yes, i still havent connected to wifi on the other namespace yet
2022-09-18 18:23:35	furt_box	hmm
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2022-09-18 18:23:42	Warepire	DaveLib: Those are probably wpa_supplicant only for now. This forum thread might give you some progress to get it going in the archiso environment: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=271971
2022-09-18 18:23:42	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] iwd not finding RTL8188EUS wifi adapter / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2022-09-18 18:24:32	demented	now my issue is that the interface is "unmanaged"
2022-09-18 18:24:34	furt_box	if you take the wired device down and then back up again does it retain the original ns
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2022-09-18 18:24:57	demented	idk but im not trying to change from my wired connection
2022-09-18 18:25:51	DaveLib	thanks  Warepire.    another thiung i can tell you is some days back in live arch i ran wpa_supplicant.  it was connecting to the device  but i got an error message that the drivers it had missed some features  it identified them but I can't remember now   and therefore it could't continue
2022-09-18 18:25:52	furt_box	ohh i ment the device may have retained the prior settings until restarted
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2022-09-18 18:26:29	furt_box	trying to recreate you issue on my vm
2022-09-18 18:26:35	furt_box	your**
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2022-09-18 18:27:17	demented	yeah i cant connect to a network since the interface shows as "unmanaged" in nmcli i guess
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2022-09-18 18:27:36	demented	when i try to rescan i get this: Error: Scanning not allowed while unavailable.
2022-09-18 18:27:44	DaveLib	a pain here is only internet in Windows   my default windows won't read ext4  and windows has Bitlocker instead of NTFS so default arch won't read    with no internet in arch i can't transfer files between arch and windows    i would like to have internet data and arch diagnostics copied in either direction
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2022-09-18 18:28:29	demented	starting wpa_supplicant didnt help 
2022-09-18 18:28:30	Warepire	DaveLib: Do you have a small USB drive you can format to FAT filesystem? That might be a way otherwise to save logs off the ISO environment, and paste them from Windows later.
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2022-09-18 18:28:59	furt_box	darn i only have a single nic on my vm..
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2022-09-18 18:29:13	furt_box	hmm let me see if i have a wifi adapter some where
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2022-09-18 18:32:16	DaveLib	Warepire:  don't have one yet but could buy as a quick solution  thanks
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2022-09-18 18:33:24	furt_box	dem it looks like you cannot use multiple ns options for different nic devices
2022-09-18 18:33:36	furt_box	it is either one or the other.
2022-09-18 18:33:41	demented	brah
2022-09-18 18:34:11	demented	that sucks
2022-09-18 18:34:19	furt_box	hmmm
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2022-09-18 18:34:25	furt_box	im looking for a solution
2022-09-18 18:34:42	mikebutash	you can only get so creative with networking, sad reality for 20 years
2022-09-18 18:35:07	demented	hm maybe i could do this on my laptop then
2022-09-18 18:35:15	furt_box	when netman starts it assigns a ns to the system. but it would require running two seperate instances of netman to do what you want
2022-09-18 18:35:22	demented	i only use a wifi connection on my laptop 
2022-09-18 18:35:45	mikebutash	yeah, that doesn't work so good from experience
2022-09-18 18:35:59	demented	what i said or what furt said
2022-09-18 18:36:08	mikebutash	too many complications with network security and such in the ap
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2022-09-18 18:36:29	demented	i also got a banana pi which would help with this but i cant seem to properly install an os onto it
2022-09-18 18:36:38	mikebutash	and in the os, it just treats wifi differently than wired
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2022-09-18 18:36:54	furt_box	yea i keep seeing posts about setting ns but nothing about having two running simultaneously 
2022-09-18 18:37:19	furt_box	make sure the sd card is not to large
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2022-09-18 18:37:32	furt_box	my orange pi only detects 32GB and lower
2022-09-18 18:37:55	mikebutash	I've only tweaked minorly with namespaces in linux, but we've been doing vrf in network engienering for 20 years now, yet they don't entirely align
2022-09-18 18:38:00	furt_box	i spent 3 weeks farting into the wind before i realized it maxed at 32
2022-09-18 18:39:52	demented	furt_box: for my bananapi? its 32gb
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2022-09-18 18:40:29	furt_box	i could be wrong tho. maybe some how you can mod a config file to perform the required assignments but i just cannot find anything 
2022-09-18 18:40:32	demented	mikebutash: do you know any other way i could run a single program through a specific interface without namespaces?
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2022-09-18 18:40:47	furt_box	nothing in man pages or forums or anything.
2022-09-18 18:41:01	mikebutash	if the application supports binding to an ip, but it will be in the global routing table
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2022-09-18 18:41:28	mikebutash	does it let you bind to a specific interface?
2022-09-18 18:42:03	demented	no the app doesnt unfortunately
2022-09-18 18:42:10	mikebutash	ugh
2022-09-18 18:42:14	mikebutash	yeah, shit apps
2022-09-18 18:42:41	demented	it is my app, maybe i could try implementing that even tho i have no idea how id do that
2022-09-18 18:42:41	mikebutash	in theory you could put it in a ns and nat it out ala docker
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2022-09-18 18:42:52	glitsj16	demented: https://github.com/JsBergbau/BindToInterface is one way
2022-09-18 18:43:08	mikebutash	well, make it take an interface binding then
2022-09-18 18:43:14	mikebutash	-i or some such
2022-09-18 18:43:23	mikebutash	bind to a given socket address
2022-09-18 18:43:49	mikebutash	it still will follow your routing table though
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2022-09-18 18:44:11	mikebutash	so if receiving on one interface, but routing table says return path on another, it will
2022-09-18 18:44:26	mikebutash	so you'll get async routing
2022-09-18 18:44:28	demented	i just need the app to send http requests through that other interface
2022-09-18 18:44:40	demented	its made in c# and i used HttpClient
2022-09-18 18:44:55	mikebutash	well, you can listen on whatever you bind to, thus prior comments
2022-09-18 18:45:05	mikebutash	but sending back has to follow the routing table
2022-09-18 18:45:15	mikebutash	just fyi
2022-09-18 18:45:27	mikebutash	I wish they'd teach dev's more networking
2022-09-18 18:45:39	demented	lmao i didnt go to school for developing
2022-09-18 18:45:53	mikebutash	exactly
2022-09-18 18:46:10	demented	but yea i miss some networking knowledge id like to have ig
2022-09-18 18:46:16	mikebutash	I didn't go to school for networking or dev, but I have to do both
2022-09-18 18:46:18	demented	its just kinda hard and confusing
2022-09-18 18:46:46	mikebutash	I hate dev work, never wanted to or have after trying
2022-09-18 18:46:58	mikebutash	I love network and security shit though
2022-09-18 18:47:11	demented	i like the idea of network and security but its hard
2022-09-18 18:47:15	demented	id like to know more about it
2022-09-18 18:47:39	mikebutash	it was hard with bad teachers
2022-09-18 18:47:39	demented	but yea idek if doing this in c# with HttpClient would be possible
2022-09-18 18:48:06	mikebutash	almost anything should have an option to bind to a given address or interface
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2022-09-18 18:48:44	mikebutash	if you need to return traffic, you might need to setup static routes on the box to return out one interface or another base on longest prefix match
2022-09-18 18:49:00	mikebutash	it's ugly, but sounds like what you're dealing with
2022-09-18 18:49:31	mikebutash	I see this with load-balancing as app/os people are routing stupid
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2022-09-18 18:54:13	furt_box	i have done load balancing using this method before it is messy
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2022-09-18 18:55:28	mikebutash	right, pick your poison
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2022-09-18 18:55:58	mikebutash	port forwarding madness, like breadcrumb trails
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2022-09-18 18:56:44	furt_box	i have gone to school (undergrade CPrE) (masters InfoSec) it was a bunch of useless busy work. tbh i learned more from books and ass time than in any class
2022-09-18 18:57:26	mikebutash	I've never done higher edu than high school, I began adult life painting cars.
2022-09-18 18:57:47	mikebutash	I've taken classes over the years, mostly useless
2022-09-18 18:57:48	jonathon	this sounds kind of !offtopic
2022-09-18 18:58:01	furt_box	tbh i feel like colledge has become a big kid daycare for alcoholics 
2022-09-18 18:58:02	mikebutash	oh noes
2022-09-18 18:58:24	mikebutash	heh
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2022-09-18 18:58:54	gehidore	mikebutash I got a car you can paint
2022-09-18 18:58:55	furt_box	"hits wrist with ruler" - apologies for going off topic ohh great IRC gods
2022-09-18 18:59:14	mikebutash	well, nevermind the riteous police are out.
2022-09-18 18:59:35	mikebutash	but eh, networking - yeah, get some in your life
2022-09-18 18:59:37	furt_box	i will repent my sacrilege 
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2022-09-18 18:59:57	mikebutash	3 hail mary's
2022-09-18 19:00:16	mikebutash	spin in a circle 5 times
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2022-09-18 19:00:38	furt_box	i would encourage everyone to build a home lab. setting up my own servers, firewalls, etc.. has giving me allot of great experience 
2022-09-18 19:00:43	furt_box	"spinning"
2022-09-18 19:01:01	furt_box	"hail mary... full of grace"""////
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2022-09-18 19:01:27	mikebutash	exactly, my power company hates me, I have stacks of cisco, arista, almost one of each of about any switch for that
2022-09-18 19:01:45	gehidore	why would they hate you? that's cash money for them
2022-09-18 19:02:06	furt_box	<-- 200+ gpus mining in my outbuilding...
2022-09-18 19:02:22	jonathon	guess you're not mining ETH now though? :P
2022-09-18 19:02:26	MrElendig	furt_box: all of which became worthless overnight?
2022-09-18 19:02:28	furt_box	i have been attacked more than once by local municipalities
2022-09-18 19:02:30	mikebutash	because they're trying to be the good economical company, telling me I'm like in the 1% abusers
2022-09-18 19:02:40	furt_box	yea i switched off eth last month
2022-09-18 19:02:47	mikebutash	they should be glad I don't harvest bitcoin
2022-09-18 19:02:51	furt_box	took a big hit but im still positive roi
2022-09-18 19:03:19	furt_box	honestly im glad they went pow
2022-09-18 19:03:26	◣	strupo (~strupo@user/strupo) ha salido (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2022-09-18 19:03:29	mikebutash	shit, I live in arizona, I turn off my equipment and servers in the summer mostly
2022-09-18 19:03:29	furt_box	gpu prices are out of control
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2022-09-18 19:03:51	furt_box	im in iowa so i get free cooling 9 month out of 12
2022-09-18 19:03:53	◣	Megver83 (~Thunderbi@181.212.2.67) ha salido (Quit: Megver83)
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2022-09-18 19:04:07	demented	mikebutash my internet died but i tried saying: yea ngl all that sounds foreign to me but ill try seeing if i can make the app route traffic through an interface, i might be a bit limited by the fact that im using .net core for cross platform
2022-09-18 19:04:19	mikebutash	word, I would probably do that if I didn't live in goddamn arizona
2022-09-18 19:04:49	mikebutash	oh, well anything windoze is networking ignorant
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2022-09-18 19:04:52	furt_box	best of luck dem! i will keep you in mind tho and when i get time later tonight ill try a few things
2022-09-18 19:04:57	furt_box	im on the clock right now
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2022-09-18 19:05:42	mikebutash	you can tell microsoft was a "tcp/ip optional" company for much of its life
2022-09-18 19:05:50	furt_box	the one thing about gpu mining i find to be fuqqed is the LHR cards
2022-09-18 19:05:55	mikebutash	until that little thing called the Internet took over
2022-09-18 19:05:57	furt_box	lol
2022-09-18 19:06:03	furt_box	optional""
2022-09-18 19:06:28	furt_box	more like non existent
2022-09-18 19:06:31	mikebutash	they never really have seemed to figure it out
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2022-09-18 19:06:46	furt_box	they paid jim from accounting to write the code
2022-09-18 19:06:51	furt_box	poor jim
2022-09-18 19:06:59	mikebutash	now with the whole azure and linux love, it's somewhat factional
2022-09-18 19:07:36	◣	srslypascal__ (~srslypasc@2a01:41e3:2b3a:6c03:2e1a:1a78:9102:c324) ha salido (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2022-09-18 19:07:36	furt_box	i refuse to use the winblows linux enviro
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2022-09-18 19:07:52	Ennea	wsl? it's quite neat
2022-09-18 19:08:03	demented	thank u furt_box :)
2022-09-18 19:08:03	mikebutash	oh come on, I always install linux under windoze!
2022-09-18 19:08:32	mikebutash	whats that abomination, wsl or whatever they do now
2022-09-18 19:08:34	furt_box	i know it is but im under the guize of linux goes with linux and windblows belongs in the dumpster
2022-09-18 19:08:41	Ennea	mikebutash, that's what i just said, yea :p
2022-09-18 19:08:46	furt_box	no worries dem i got you
2022-09-18 19:09:01	mikebutash	great minds think alike.
2022-09-18 19:09:30	furt_box	you guys hear about MS new agenda
2022-09-18 19:09:45	mikebutash	what's that, kill linux finally?
2022-09-18 19:09:59	furt_box	by 2030 ish all windows systems will be cloud
2022-09-18 19:10:09	furt_box	you have to login online to access the OS
2022-09-18 19:10:26	BrainDamage	could you guys stop spreading FUD?, this is a support channel
2022-09-18 19:10:28	Ennea	this channel feels like it derailed hard into the default windows hate thread from your forum of choice at some point in the 2000s ;p
2022-09-18 19:10:38	furt_box	its not FUD its fact
2022-09-18 19:10:38	mikebutash	yeah, well all the windoze monkeys at my current customer are all up on the azure nuts to do so
2022-09-18 19:10:47	mikebutash	microsoft sez...
2022-09-18 19:11:03	mikebutash	get in line bitches.
2022-09-18 19:11:04	Ennea	if you browse archive.org instead of typing here, you can probably find everything you've already said in the last 30 minutes
2022-09-18 19:11:18	furt_box	painful truth ^^
2022-09-18 19:11:36	chazy	it's a fact that windows is slowly forcing everyone to log in just to use their (windows) computers
2022-09-18 19:12:02	BrainDamage	it's still offtopic, aka does not belong here
2022-09-18 19:12:06	furt_box	yes all windows systems will soon require a ms online account at login
2022-09-18 19:12:10	BrainDamage	this is a support channel
2022-09-18 19:12:11	Ennea	_that_ is a fact, sure. but let's get back to what BrainDamage just pointed out: this is a support channel
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2022-09-18 19:12:42	mikebutash	anyone need support right now?  no?
2022-09-18 19:12:46	furt_box	How is talking about an os comparison off topic in a tech related channel
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2022-09-18 19:13:13	mikebutash	meh, we're just shooting the shit, if someone needs support, we'd hook em up.
2022-09-18 19:13:18	Ennea	furt_box, it's not arch linux support
2022-09-18 19:13:19	chazy	i wonder how will that affect gaming, i hope it blows in their face
2022-09-18 19:13:56	BrainDamage	if it was a sane discussion and a comparison was the interest, I would tolerate it better, instead it degenerated into throwing generic insults and "us vs them"
2022-09-18 19:14:01	mikebutash	only complaint will be the backup bill for useless chat.
2022-09-18 19:14:08	◣	CyberShadow (vladimir@tunnel258969-pt.tunnel.tserv1.bud1.ipv6.he.net) ha salido (Quit: Did you know that world-renowned writer Stephen King was once hit by a car? Just something to consider.)
2022-09-18 19:14:26	mikebutash	who's the us and them?
2022-09-18 19:14:32	chazy	the good vs evil
2022-09-18 19:14:38	mikebutash	always.
2022-09-18 19:14:39	mikebutash	but
2022-09-18 19:14:40	furt_box	so you are basically admitting your a windows user
2022-09-18 19:14:52	furt_box	why are you in archlinux irc??
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2022-09-18 19:15:03	furt_box	"drops mic"
2022-09-18 19:15:08	BrainDamage	ok, I guess I haven't been sufficiently clear
2022-09-18 19:15:16	furt_box	relax
2022-09-18 19:15:22	mikebutash	heh, it's like the one time I was asking a support qustion on microsoft forums, and unconsiously typed windoze.  It blew up with hate at me.
2022-09-18 19:15:25	◣	Tonya201 (~tony@2401:4900:1c66:6d8c:6b0:97ad:f2f7:ed90) ha salido (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2022-09-18 19:15:28	furt_box	its fine we can quell the windows talk
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2022-09-18 19:15:52	mikebutash	fucking linux user, get him!
2022-09-18 19:16:08	furt_box	i gotta go back to work
2022-09-18 19:16:28	mikebutash	word, I should probably do something more useful with my life.
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2022-09-18 19:18:10	furt_box	best wishes everyone. dem good luck on the ns issues. like i mentioned ill see what i can find for you.
2022-09-18 19:18:25	furt_box	good chattin mikebutash
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2022-09-18 19:29:09	Warepire	(Trying to learn how to configure cloud-init based VMs following https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Cloud-init ) Should the run_archiso command from the archiso package be able to start the cloudinit qcow2 image? From the looks of it that should be possible with "run_archiso -i <qcow2-image> -d" but SeaBIOS says there are no bootable devices.
2022-09-18 19:29:11	phrik	Title: Cloud-init - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-09-19 18:06:36	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-09-19 18:06:36	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1450 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1449 normals)
2022-09-19 16:05:55	mesaoptimizer	decided to use noto fonts and wow, they look really good
2022-09-19 16:10:03	ponies	we ALL know that the best font is: <redacted> 
2022-09-19 16:10:14	Ennea	really? KDE uses them by default, and i actually put that somewhere on my list of things that need changing because i'm not a big fan of them
2022-09-19 16:10:26	Ennea	not really sure why, though. they just look a little off
2022-09-19 16:48:42	txtsd	Where does Arch's gitlab SSO get its info/creds from? I hit the SSO button and was instantly signed in, AFTER deleting my old account which needed the github auth.
2022-09-19 16:49:34	ponies	txtsd: is it your browser? 
2022-09-19 16:50:13	txtsd	It was probably the same account since it said it was /scheduled for deleting. After logging out, it wants me to sign in, which I can't do since I didn't make a username or pass.
2022-09-19 16:50:40	txtsd	If an admin can get rid of whatever account that exists with my username, that'll be helpful. I want to register an account properly.
2022-09-19 16:50:53	jelle	ask nicely in #archlinux-devops
2022-09-19 16:51:08	txtsd	okay!
2022-09-19 17:01:27	jdarnley	Is it just me or does new KDE or new Konsole hide the mouse pointer when I am typing?
2022-09-19 17:02:12	jdarnley	Rather annoying when I want to use it to *point* to things
2022-09-19 17:02:48	Ennea	can confirm this happens in at least konsole and kwrite, though i have no clue if it didn't already happen before
2022-09-19 17:03:09	Ennea	i assume the existence of this feature is because it's a default setting on windows ;p
2022-09-19 17:03:55	mesaoptimizer	Ennea: I was using some strange serif font by default. Probably some open source one, but man it looked bad
2022-09-19 17:04:14	jdarnley	Is it really?  Maybe in garbage Windows
2022-09-19 17:04:34	jdarnley	Perhaps it is in the KDE settings not Konsole's
2022-09-19 17:05:10	jdarnley	Eh maybe it isn't new
2022-09-19 17:05:20	jdarnley	Maybe I just want to be "weird" today.
2022-09-19 17:07:52	Ennea	jdarnley, nah, in regular windows, too
2022-09-19 17:50:15	kriive	Hey, does any on you use a Solo2 key (kinda like a yubikey)? My key works on Google Chrome under Arch, but not under Firefox, has any of you any idea why? I have reports that people are using it on Ubuntu 22.04 with firefox without issues
2022-09-19 17:50:57	kriive	Tried with three different laptops running Arch and they all fail with firefox :/
2022-09-19 17:54:29	bluetail	kriive not a fan of those keys. Wouldn't you rather solely rely on a masterpassword for your password database which changes regularly?
2022-09-19 17:55:09	kevku	you might need to install ccid
2022-09-19 17:57:38	kriive	bluetail: yes, I have also that, but I like to tinker with those 2FA thungies
2022-09-19 17:57:43	kriive	thingies*
2022-09-19 17:58:30	kriive	kevku: I have it already installed :(
2022-09-19 18:01:42	kriive	Also I have installed libfido2, with no success :/
2022-09-19 18:03:15	bluetail	kriive did u try firefox-nightly?
2022-09-19 18:05:12	kriive	bluetail: No, to be honest, thank you, I'll try
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2022-09-19 18:23:06	nootskoot	hello
2022-09-19 18:23:15	ponies	!welcome
2022-09-19 18:23:15	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
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2022-09-19 18:24:17	nootskoot	i didnt, just decided to join this chat because why not
2022-09-19 18:24:48	gehidore	we only allow fuckups here
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2022-09-19 18:25:26	teraflops	I'm here because my therapist told me to socialise 
2022-09-19 18:25:50	Edu4rdSHL	/mode #archlinux +b notfuckedup!*@*
2022-09-19 18:26:03	BrainDamage	!grab teraflops
2022-09-19 18:26:04	phrik	BrainDamage: Tada!
2022-09-19 18:26:10	ponies	LOL teraflops 
2022-09-19 18:26:17	Edu4rdSHL	I'm here because I want to be part of the elite
2022-09-19 18:26:55	artefact	i once lost three days of work because of a single git reset --hard
2022-09-19 18:27:13	ponies	i once deleted my home directory with git clean -xdf 
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2022-09-19 18:29:43	ponies	!rq teraflops 
2022-09-19 18:29:43	phrik	ponies: <teraflops> Ptpb psbto pbfft or whatever it's named
2022-09-19 18:30:12	teraflops	I miss ptpb, best pastebin
2022-09-19 18:30:12	adeliktas2	i recently managed to implicitly wipefs the intel rst raid0 signature with fdisk with no backup of it
2022-09-19 18:30:38	Edu4rdSHL	I miss my ex
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2022-09-19 18:30:46	ponies	haha
2022-09-19 18:31:07	◣	timj (~Thunderbi@user/timj) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-09-19 18:31:13	ponies	omg the most antisocial introverted comments 
2022-09-19 18:31:30	ponies	remember sprunge? its back, but in pog form 
2022-09-19 18:31:50	Edu4rdSHL	Well, now we have paste.rs and ix.io :p
2022-09-19 18:31:58	gehidore	damn missed that grab Edu4rdSHL nice timing
2022-09-19 18:32:13	ponies	i was gonna grab that too 
2022-09-19 18:32:20	◣	andril (~andril@2600:1700:28e0:ca90::12) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2022-09-19 18:33:19	alad	goddamn
2022-09-19 18:33:23	alad	phrik: give teraflops cantgrab
2022-09-19 18:33:24	phrik	teraflops: dafuq, alad can't grab that!
2022-09-19 18:33:26	alad	>:|
2022-09-19 18:33:30	teraflops	;)
2022-09-19 18:34:01	Edu4rdSHL	gehidore, which one? The one about the elite of about my ex (I don't want to cry thx)?
2022-09-19 18:34:07	gehidore	yes
2022-09-19 18:34:23	Edu4rdSHL	I'm here because I want to be part of the elite
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2022-09-19 18:34:59	gehidore	!grab Edu4rdSHL 
2022-09-19 18:34:59	phrik	gehidore: Tada!
2022-09-19 18:35:17	Edu4rdSHL	>.>
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2022-09-19 18:38:34	Edu4rdSHL	xD
2022-09-19 18:38:53	another|	h4rd3n3d: The Queen?
2022-09-19 18:40:00	alad	you guys are downright deplorable
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2022-09-19 18:40:42	ℹ 	puke es conocido ahora como Guest9645
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2022-09-19 18:40:42	ℹ 	pyooq es conocido ahora como puke
2022-09-19 18:40:52	another|	*deployable
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2022-09-19 18:41:11	alad	lol
2022-09-19 18:41:18	alad	good one
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2022-09-19 18:47:24	ℹ 	nootskoot es conocido ahora como animemer27
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2022-09-19 18:56:15	another|	meh. i don't care about monarchy
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2022-09-19 19:04:00	susi	how should I decide which comp algo is best on this low-end laptop for zram, there are "lzo [lzo-rle] lz4 lz4hc 842 zstd" to choose from
2022-09-19 19:04:27	◣	nootskoot (~nootskoot@user/bommy) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2022-09-19 19:04:57	artefact	defaults are good
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2022-09-19 19:05:49	gloomy_desktop	Hey, how do I redirect output (stdout and stderr) of an interactive script? I want to record the errors produced by `yay -Syua` for a given package, but it first asks for input so if I just redirect `yay -Syua &> log.tzt`, it fails
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2022-09-19 19:06:35	Scimmia	gloomy_desktop: that's what tee is for
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2022-09-19 19:06:52	gloomy_desktop	Oh, ok, just `tail -f log.txt` let me see the outputs and just type in my answers.
2022-09-19 19:06:55	keir	tee hee
2022-09-19 19:07:04	gloomy_desktop	Scimmia: Thx, will look it up
2022-09-19 19:07:06	artefact	command 2>(tee stderr.txt)
2022-09-19 19:07:18	susi	artefact: I just don't function that way, I need to somehow compare these 
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2022-09-19 19:08:06	ℹ 	xoan7 es conocido ahora como xoan
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2022-09-19 19:09:33	alad	can't talk to an englishman for longer than 5 minutes before they talk about the war
2022-09-19 19:09:38	alad	#archlinux-offtopic, seriously
2022-09-19 19:10:44	artefact	tail -f <-- the cool daniel; tail +F <-- the cooler daniel
2022-09-19 19:10:54	artefact	i meant less +F. i can't even meme right
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2022-09-19 19:28:17	susi	maybe I'll try zstd with vm.page-cluster=0
2022-09-19 19:28:17	susi	as in ChromeOS/Android
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2022-09-19 19:28:17	artefact	except the latter has mglru patched in
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2022-09-19 19:28:17	alad	I like 4.
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2022-09-19 19:28:17	another|	susi: you haven't even specified a metric
2022-09-19 19:28:17	novns	I will never forget my cat Elizabeth
2022-09-19 19:28:17	◣	Ganna (~Ganna@user/Bwanda) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.6)
2022-09-19 19:28:17	novns	she lived for over 20 years
2022-09-19 19:28:17	susi	I don't need to specify a metric, this is an average desktop-use low-end laptop, and I wanted some hints on making the decision and comparing the alternatives
2022-09-19 19:28:17	novns	susi, do some benchmarks
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2022-09-19 19:28:17	novns	and just use one algorithm when you get tired of doing benchmarks
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2022-09-19 19:34:24	artefact	then realise the defaults are defaults for a reason =)
2022-09-19 19:34:33	artefact	(except atime)
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2022-09-19 19:38:45	another|	susi: how do you define "best" w/o a metric?
2022-09-19 19:38:57	◣	tradar (~tradar@user/tradar) ha salido (Quit: tradar)
2022-09-19 19:39:17	another|	e.g. zstd compresses more but is slower
2022-09-19 19:39:35	another|	do you consider that better than e.g. lzo-rle ?
2022-09-19 19:39:41	susi	best is best for a given configuration
2022-09-19 19:39:56	susi	you can define a relevant metric and say it aloud
2022-09-19 19:40:06	another|	which is yours?
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2022-09-19 19:41:16	susi	best is the expected optimal solution on average for a given configuration and use-case, e.g. desktop-use with low-end hardware and few RAM (4G)
2022-09-19 19:42:52	another|	"optimal"
2022-09-19 19:43:17	bluetail	I somehow always go overboard with hardware
2022-09-19 19:43:23	alad	sounds like we've just defined "nothing" in a lot of words
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2022-09-19 19:45:07	artefact	optimal solution is "don't get into memory pressure"
2022-09-19 19:45:42	artefact	$(systemctl enable --now systemd-oomd.service) #yolo
2022-09-19 19:45:59	alad	artefact: the C++ way
2022-09-19 19:46:48	artefact	the linux way, really. properly handling a failing malloc() is as hard as a failing fsync()
2022-09-19 19:47:29	susi	I didn't even ask for the best, but for pointers on comparing the comp algos and what to take into account for my expected scenario, artefact was able to be informative
2022-09-19 19:47:39	susi	i.e. defaults, and mglru
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2022-09-19 19:47:51	susi	!next
2022-09-19 19:47:51	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2022-09-19 19:49:16	susi	if my english weren't so limited, I'd continue and tell what's wrong with another's attitude, but let it be, nvm
2022-09-19 19:49:24	alad	how very generous of you
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2022-09-19 19:50:57	susi	I know; I'm a nice person :)
2022-09-19 19:51:11	bluetail	yea, susi is awesome
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2022-09-19 19:54:42	guns	Why is it that I must be logged in at a virtual console in order for the machine's sound hardware to be accessible in an SSH session? I suspect this is due to cgroup permissions and that login(1) is affecting slice visibility or something, but I really don't know. Could someone point me at a document that will help me understand? I'd really like to
2022-09-19 19:54:42	guns	be able to ssh into my work laptop and listen to my incoming mail chimes without having to physically login at a vconsole or redirecting the audio over the network
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2022-09-19 20:16:05	artefact	and then there's multiseat X
2022-09-19 20:39:27	losth1ghway	 what do people use to change screen brightness? programs light xbrightness and those based on it don't pick up my screens. ddcutil works and i can change brightness, but it's not exactly handy. i suppose i could write a script, but there must be something already out there.
2022-09-19 20:39:54	grawity	do you mean, for an external display, or for an internal LCD panel?
2022-09-19 20:40:00	losth1ghway	external display
2022-09-19 20:40:05	grawity	ddcutil is all you get then
2022-09-19 20:40:20	grawity	at least until the "future backlight interface rework" that was mentioned las week
2022-09-19 20:41:02	losth1ghway	ah alright then. i guess script and keyboard shortcut is gonna be the way.. 
2022-09-19 20:41:14	grawity	they're kind of planning to bind the backlight to KMS outputs, which would allow the same interface to control internal panels (via firmware) *and* external displays (via DCC)
2022-09-19 20:41:30	grawity	https://www.phoronix.com/news/2022-Linux-Backlight-Overhaul
2022-09-19 20:41:31	phrik	Title: Linux's Display Brightness/Backlight Interface Is Finally Being Overhauled - Phoronix (at www.phoronix.com)
2022-09-19 20:41:51	grawity	but that's probably 3-4 kernels away from now
2022-09-19 20:42:14	losth1ghway	huh interesting though. had no idea it was such a blindspot currently
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2022-09-19 21:02:07	Psi-Jack	Though I really do need to fix up my less coloring to not be so... yellow. It's my own doing, but I prefer something more... Blueish.
2022-09-19 21:09:16	mesaoptimizer	okay I'm facing this weird error with networkmanager: once someone changes the password of my wifi router, the service starts malfunctioning. `nmtui` shows no connections in the edit list or the connect list
2022-09-19 21:10:39	mesaoptimizer	and `sudo systemctl stop NetworkManager` just freezes and does nothing
2022-09-19 21:12:48	mesaoptimizer	just disabled the wifi hardware itself and the freezing hasn't changed
2022-09-19 21:14:25	mesaoptimizer	a `systemctl status NetworkManager` returns "Processes still around after SIGKILL. Ignoring." wtf?
2022-09-19 21:15:37	mesaoptimizer	maybe it is a zombie
2022-09-19 21:16:02	mesaoptimizer	no, `top` shows zero zombies. I wonder if a zombie is the same as an "uninterruptible sleep" process
2022-09-19 21:18:23	mesaoptimizer	right, `ps ax | grep "no-daemon"` shows NetworkManager is in Ds, which is uninterruptible sleep and a session leader. Not sure what the latter means but the former is worrying. I don't see any signs of a hardware error.
2022-09-19 21:18:26	mesaoptimizer	time to reboot
2022-09-19 21:19:31	mesaoptimizer	... and the reboot attempt has also failed with a blank screen with a cursor. Good job!
2022-09-19 21:19:47	mesaoptimizer	force rebooted the machine
2022-09-19 21:22:04	novns	mesaoptimizer, did you wait for 30 seconds when `systemctl stop` got frozen?
2022-09-19 21:22:11	mesaoptimizer	Interesting. `nmtui` shows the saved wifi connection has an empty password. why did the password get wiped?
2022-09-19 21:22:34	mesaoptimizer	novns: I did, yes.
2022-09-19 21:23:24	mesaoptimizer	oh damn, new error: while saving the edited connection I get this error message: "Unable to save connection: Error checking authorization: [...]"
2022-09-19 21:23:36	mesaoptimizer	so am I supposed to add this user into a specific group? hmm
2022-09-19 21:25:08	mesaoptimizer	okay, `polkit` isn't installed, and perhaps that is the issue?
2022-09-19 21:25:38	mesaoptimizer	when I use `sudo nmtui` the password is shown in the saved connection being edited, so that's one question resolved
2022-09-19 21:27:16	mesaoptimizer	I see, based on testing, `polkit` is necessary to be able to access and edit the password of saved connections when you are not `root` when accessing `nmtui`.
2022-09-19 21:28:02	mesaoptimizer	darn, this was clearly specified in the pacman information
2022-09-19 21:29:03	mesaoptimizer	now the question is whether it is unrelated to the systemd issue. since networkmanager was started by root+systemd, I don't think the lack of polkit should be the cause of the error.
2022-09-19 21:29:23	mesaoptimizer	for now I'll just wait for the error to pop up again before resuming this debugging.
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2022-09-19 22:28:30	topcat001	mesaoptimizer: anything interesting in the journal when NM is in D state?
2022-09-19 22:29:26	topcat001	could be a problem with the wifi chip/driver (D is a hint).
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2022-09-19 23:09:17	Numero	is there a way i can make arch linux retain boost-libs 1.79.0 after it has updated to 1.80.0? the update broke rstudio
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2022-09-19 23:10:18	MrElendig	not sanely
2022-09-19 23:10:33	Numero	MrElendig: perhaps a mass symlinking? :/
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2022-09-19 23:27:34	glitsj16	yep, reinstall and rm didn't help
2022-09-19 23:28:08	glitsj16	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/boost/trunk/PKGBUILD#L116
2022-09-19 23:29:50	MrElendig	the python libs should maybe be moved over
2022-09-19 23:30:02	glitsj16	looks like there's something odd going on.. it didn't change in comparison with 1.79.0-1 but now i see these versioned targets like libboost_numpy310.so.1.80.0
2022-09-19 23:30:23	glitsj16	instead of libboost_numpy310.so
2022-09-19 23:31:01	glitsj16	don't have much time to dig deeper right now, but i'll keep eyes on it
2022-09-19 23:31:12	glitsj16	thanks MrElendig
2022-09-19 23:31:13	MrElendig	or an optional dep be set
2022-09-19 23:33:38	glitsj16	MrElendig: what do you advise? open a bug issue on it so the packager is aware of this (without having a patch right now)?
2022-09-19 23:36:42	glitsj16	for the record, i just happened to notice this because i have a script checking for broken symlinks in my local pacman wrapper.. if i could get rid of boost alltogether i'd be happier 
2022-09-19 23:36:44	MrElendig	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/boost/trunk/PKGBUILD#L97 is the most interesting bit, boost-libs is supposed to provide it
2022-09-19 23:37:29	glitsj16	indeed, i noticed that
2022-09-19 23:38:17	randomxusr	Having trouble identifying a package. I seem to recall installing a package search utility, that had some fuzzing capabailites, however I can't recall the name. Is there a package like this? Or am I just getting old?
2022-09-19 23:38:59	MrElendig	randomxusr: define "identifying a package"
2022-09-19 23:39:19	randomxusr	MrElendig, the package name
2022-09-19 23:39:37	MrElendig	yea but from what?
2022-09-19 23:39:57	MrElendig	description? pacman will do that, file content? pacman will do that
2022-09-19 23:40:13	MrElendig	or rather contained files*
2022-09-19 23:40:50	MrElendig	and maybe it was https://github.com/moson-mo/pacseek you were thinking about?
2022-09-19 23:41:17	randomxusr	I'm aware. It was a separate package, separate from pacman, that Listed names, functions, versions, install date, and much more. It was almost like Ranger, but for install packages
2022-09-19 23:41:43	MrElendig	that manjaro thing?
2022-09-19 23:42:24	randomxusr	I found it on Archlinux.org and it's possible that I got it from the AUR
2022-09-19 23:43:33	randomxusr	I think I'll just need to keep searching, and hope I get lucky
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2022-09-20 00:20:42	sarahzrf	okay i double checked the numbers and the "mfg part" id listed on the lenovo website matches the description on the part i bought, but the "part no" does not :?
2022-09-20 00:24:23	sarahzrf	eugh fuck this
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2022-09-20 00:50:47	edt	there are no logs created that I can find.  If I start sddm via systemd it usually just reboots.  If I startplasma-wayland or if I start kde for x it just reboots
2022-09-20 00:51:38	edt	I have been using linux for over 20 years and this is one of the few times I am very very tempted to just reinstall
2022-09-20 00:52:02	Namarrgon	which gpu do you use?
2022-09-20 00:53:26	another|	wasn't there someone else with the same problem recently?
2022-09-20 00:53:27	edt	i915, it is an E3940
2022-09-20 00:53:36	topcat001	mesaoptimizer: drop the filter as well.
2022-09-20 00:53:41	edt	gen7 I believe
2022-09-20 00:53:56	topcat001	(and run journalctl with admin privs)
2022-09-20 00:55:12	Namarrgon	edt: is this with the stock 'linux' kernel? can you start X/wayland on any other distro?
2022-09-20 00:55:33	mesaoptimizer	edt: oh btw, can you check if you have logs in `.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log`?
2022-09-20 00:56:13	edt	right now I have arch using wayland on 2 other boxes.  and it used to work on the e3940 too
2022-09-20 00:57:18	edt	Its using btrfs, I have scrubed and mounted with clear_cache - I am running out of ideas on what it might be
2022-09-20 00:57:55	edt	journalctl -b1 shows boots from aug not the previous ones this evening
2022-09-20 00:58:19	edt	looks like the reboot is very hard and fast and buffers are not getting flushed
2022-09-20 00:59:15	another|	have you tried login managers besides sddm?
2022-09-20 01:00:04	edt	I get the same problem when I start from the command line so I do not think I can blame this on sddm
2022-09-20 01:00:32	edt	and its a stock arch kernel
2022-09-20 01:02:46	Numero	okay - a very long makepkg -si asked for a password while i was afk and timed out. is there a way to get it back to that point without rebuilding everything all over again?
2022-09-20 01:04:31	Numero	maybe just makepkg -i?
2022-09-20 01:05:23	gaku	Numero: could try and setup some form of ccache?
2022-09-20 01:05:25	Numero	thank goodness, it worked
2022-09-20 01:05:39	Numero	gaku: no, makepkg -i was sufficient
2022-09-20 01:05:48	gaku	nvm then
2022-09-20 01:08:12	edt	no ideas anyone?  I'd be tempted to use a serial terminal if I could do it with anything but a usb to serial
2022-09-20 01:08:53	Namarrgon	try the lts kernel. boot some other distro, make sure you can start X there
2022-09-20 01:09:09	Namarrgon	did you replace any official packages?
2022-09-20 01:20:42	Scimmia	Numero: see what -i does, that was the wrong way to deal with it
2022-09-20 01:23:01	Numero	Scimmia: how so? FWIW it worked
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2022-09-20 01:40:15	gaku	blegh
2022-09-20 01:40:28	gaku	could even learn how to use a local repo
2022-09-20 01:58:13	edt	looks like my problem with reboots are caused by a kvm.  I wire directly from the box to a monitor all is okay, thru a kvm and wayland/sddm/X all cause reboots
2022-09-20 01:58:29	edt	but ONLY on one box
2022-09-20 01:59:36	edt	the other arch installs using the same kvm work fine
2022-09-20 01:59:56	edt	hw can be so very finicky
2022-09-20 02:00:24	edt	and it used to work with the same kvm...  
2022-09-20 02:01:46	edt	so hdmi kvm monitor fails, and hdmi monitor works.  Where works means it does not reboot when starting a gui
2022-09-20 02:05:22	MacGyver	I mean the real answer to Numero's problem is to disable sudo's password timeout.
2022-09-20 02:05:35	MacGyver	Uh, to clarify, the *prompt* timeout.
2022-09-20 02:06:33	MacGyver	edt: Is your system configured to reboot immediately upon a kernel panic?
2022-09-20 02:13:24	edt	MacGyver its setup as a default arch install
2022-09-20 02:13:47	edt	it looks to be rebooting on panic.
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2022-09-20 02:50:42	MacGyver	edt: If kernel panic sysctl was already 0, it's probably not rebooting because it panics.
2022-09-20 02:50:55	MacGyver	edt: In which case, I'd suspect electrical fault.
2022-09-20 02:51:10	MacGyver	edt: Wait it *was* rebooting upon panic?
2022-09-20 02:51:25	MacGyver	But 0 is supposed to be the "don't reboot at all" setting...
2022-09-20 02:51:42	MacGyver	Ah well.
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2022-09-20 03:20:27	mefistofeles	alad: right? why not 26?
2022-09-20 03:20:32	alad	!!
2022-09-20 03:20:33	phrik	POPOZÃO!
2022-09-20 03:20:58	MacGyver	mpan: Excuse me, clearly it would be #archeology.
2022-09-20 03:21:13	mefistofeles	,hah nice
2022-09-20 03:21:22	Soni	anyway, sleep time, trans rights o/
2022-09-20 03:21:22	MacGyver	Why bother with the prefix if it's already in the name.
2022-09-20 03:21:30	mpan	MacGyver: it’s too general, isn’t it?
2022-09-20 03:21:39	alad	mefistofeles: if it's 26 it wouldn't fit on a bluray
2022-09-20 03:21:41	alad	🤔
2022-09-20 03:21:46	MacGyver	mpan: Claim the namespace!
2022-09-20 03:21:52	mefistofeles	alad: no no, why aren't bluerays 26?!
2022-09-20 03:21:56	MacGyver	Anything that starts with arch should be ours!
2022-09-20 03:21:57	alad	damn
2022-09-20 03:21:58	mpan	#archeology-archlinux-aur?
2022-09-20 03:22:05	alad	mefistofeles: that's deep
2022-09-20 03:22:10	mpan	Oh, I just go tit! I am stupid.
2022-09-20 03:22:15	MacGyver	Anyway, back to your regular scheduled programming.
2022-09-20 03:22:19	mpan	MacGyver++
2022-09-20 03:22:30	alad	!cantgrab
2022-09-20 03:22:31	phrik	dafuq, alad can't grab that!
2022-09-20 03:22:33	alad	:-(
2022-09-20 03:22:49	mefistofeles	#archery #archenemy (band!!) 
2022-09-20 03:23:14	mefistofeles	#architecture
2022-09-20 03:23:19	mefistofeles	we are sitting on a gold mine
2022-09-20 03:23:21	alad	MacGyver: scheduled at 3:23 in the morning
2022-09-20 03:23:28	MacGyver	alad: Shh.
2022-09-20 03:23:53	mpan	So Arch Enemy is really promoting the best Linux distro? That explains why Alissa had blue hair.
2022-09-20 03:24:06	alad	mefistofeles: going by the speed to archive them it seems to be 25 emails of 1GB each
2022-09-20 03:24:07	MacGyver	mpan: Well they do have enemy in the name.
2022-09-20 03:24:20	MacGyver	mpan: So maybe they're Apple users?
2022-09-20 03:24:40	MacGyver	alad: Oof. Mail storage on rust?
2022-09-20 03:24:55	alad	SSD
2022-09-20 03:25:13	alad	I guess thunderbird is just slow
2022-09-20 03:25:18	MacGyver	Oh, yeah, oof.
2022-09-20 03:25:21	mpan	MacGyver: so that little green bit she had for some time on her hair was… Manjaro? :o
2022-09-20 03:25:23	MacGyver	Thunderbird on Maildir, I presume.
2022-09-20 03:25:45	alad	worse, mbox
2022-09-20 03:25:51	MacGyver	Uh, right, mbox.
2022-09-20 03:25:55	alad	so I have to pull out the eml with some extension
2022-09-20 03:25:56	MacGyver	That was what I was alluding to.
2022-09-20 03:26:00	MacGyver	And fucking up in my head.
2022-09-20 03:26:05	MacGyver	Maildir is actually the usable one :P
2022-09-20 03:26:17	alad	tb seems to do all it can to avoid you from using maildir
2022-09-20 03:26:20	alad	"too many bugs! :-("
2022-09-20 03:26:43	mpan	Anyway, off. I produced too much offtopic already.
2022-09-20 03:26:44	MacGyver	Yeah, can you imagine how much worse it was when I found myself forced to stop using thunderbird over that...
2022-09-20 03:26:49	MacGyver	Speaking of which.
2022-09-20 03:26:54	MacGyver	I started using Thunderbird again today.
2022-09-20 03:26:59	MacGyver	But without e-mail.
2022-09-20 03:27:03	alad	we can suffer together
2022-09-20 03:27:09	MacGyver	Just as a calendar and (importantly!) task application.
2022-09-20 03:27:11	alad	oh are you using it for IRC ;O
2022-09-20 03:27:12	alad	hmmm
2022-09-20 03:27:40	MacGyver	I'm... let's say I'm pleasantly surprised that it doesn't suck.
2022-09-20 03:28:08	MacGyver	subtasks / checklists aren't a thing yet but ... well, maybe at some point.
2022-09-20 03:28:09	alad	I tried lightning for a while, but couldn't figure out how to repeat tasks/calendar entries efficeintly
2022-09-20 03:28:17	alad	efficiently even
2022-09-20 03:28:19	MacGyver	Oh yeah so that's the thing.
2022-09-20 03:28:25	MacGyver	Since TB 91 it's built-in.
2022-09-20 03:28:34	MacGyver	And repeating tasks and events are just... there.
2022-09-20 03:28:40	alad	:OOO
2022-09-20 03:28:44	MacGyver	I KNOW RIGHT?
2022-09-20 03:29:00	alad	I can explore this while I wait for my emails
2022-09-20 03:29:24	MacGyver	Also caldav and carddav support without having to install some shitty sogo connector.
2022-09-20 03:29:37	alad	I still have tbsync hm
2022-09-20 03:29:45	MacGyver	It's almost as though what Thunderbird needed was to have Mozilla try to kill it.
2022-09-20 03:29:56	alad	... create, repeat until
2022-09-20 03:30:00	alad	it's there :o
2022-09-20 03:30:39	alad	I got something useful from spending early mornings in this channel
2022-09-20 03:30:41	alad	\o/
2022-09-20 03:30:46	MacGyver	I was seriously faced with the prospect of having to install half of KDE, or suffer with todoman's limited interface and no repeating tasks without, I dunno, a cronjob.
2022-09-20 03:31:03	MacGyver	And then I figured, "why not check out how far Thunderbird's come?"
2022-09-20 03:31:21	MacGyver	Best thought of the week.
2022-09-20 03:31:26	alad	++
2022-09-20 03:31:38	MacGyver	Anyway, I should go to bed.
2022-09-20 03:31:43	MacGyver	Get my rhythm back in order.
2022-09-20 03:31:45	MacGyver	Be productive.
2022-09-20 03:31:48	alad	me too
2022-09-20 03:31:54	alad	can't wait for work meetings tomorrow
2022-09-20 03:32:03	MacGyver	(Which is part of why I needed a better task app)
2022-09-20 03:32:03	alad	😃
2022-09-20 03:32:09	MacGyver	Good luck, and good night.
2022-09-20 03:32:13	alad	obvious sarcasm emoji
2022-09-20 03:32:14	alad	nn
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2022-09-20 06:00:56	Psi-Jack	Well, what the heck... arch-boxes has functional qcow2 disk images of arch linux with cloud-init working.
2022-09-20 06:10:07	Psi-Jack	Ahh, xoan7's already started his new path of WOPR code breaking.
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2022-09-20 06:50:17	NullPointerError	Is it a good idea to share the home directory (with btrfs subvolume) between e.g. Arch and Fedora? 
2022-09-20 06:50:30	Psi-Jack	Not really.
2022-09-20 06:51:03	Psi-Jack	I mean, the very idea of sharing a file system in general with $anotheros is generally bad.
2022-09-20 06:52:17	grawity	[citation needed]
2022-09-20 06:52:47	⚡ 	Psi-Jack hands grawity a citation.
2022-09-20 06:53:53	grawity	nice to see you here, weren't you the one in ##linux who used to call me an idiot for running Arch
2022-09-20 06:53:57	mpan	Sharing a file system, in general, is not an issue. Sharing the home directory, which stores configs (and that is the key thing here), may be a bit of a problem due to version mismatch between systems.
2022-09-20 06:54:09	Psi-Jack	grawity: I don't call people idiots.
2022-09-20 06:56:07	mpan	*configs and caches
2022-09-20 06:56:35	Psi-Jack	mpan: Precisely. 
2022-09-20 06:56:45	mpan	!give gravity echo If you need [^citation], use !^citation. :)
2022-09-20 06:56:46	phrik	gravity: If you need ⁽ᶜⁱᵗᵃᵗⁱᵒⁿ ⁿᵉᵉᵈᵉᵈ⁾ , use !^citation. :)
2022-09-20 06:57:18	Psi-Jack	Though I'd disagree about sharing filesystems is generally not an issue. Furthermore, dual-booting multiple linux distros alone is just silly in the first place.
2022-09-20 06:57:43	mpan	I suppose many people here will be happy to learn more about that claim.
2022-09-20 07:06:41	⚡ 	coruja is one of the people mpan mentioned
2022-09-20 07:07:40	bluetail	Psi-Jack I had 8 disconnects this night and my username didnt get altered at all
2022-09-20 07:10:49	bookworm	bluetail: it's alright, let's not rehash that discussion ;) TL does do that if it has to, your connection simply isn't quite that broken
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2022-09-20 07:54:56	ganna	Cannot connect to wireless? 
2022-09-20 07:55:18	Psi-Jack	ganna: I can just fine, thanks.
2022-09-20 07:56:50	ganna	Wpa and dhcpcd is in systemctl ? I was connecting to wireless back
2022-09-20 07:57:15	ganna	I mean I tuned on the wpa and dhcpcd systemctl
2022-09-20 07:57:33	Psi-Jack	.. What?
2022-09-20 07:57:59	ganna	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/oWDd3drJ/irccloudcapture188551452054034030.jpg
2022-09-20 07:59:06	Psi-Jack	Umm. Okay? So, are you going to be vague and provide absolutely random rubbish?
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2022-09-20 08:25:56	Psi-Jack	Umm. Okay? So, are you going to be vague and provide absolutely random rubbish?
2022-09-20 08:26:00	Psi-Jack	Oops. 
2022-09-20 08:32:17	ponies	!pastefail 
2022-09-20 08:32:18	phrik	 0  DAYS SINCE THE LAST BUFFER ACCIDENT: Clipboard safety is our union goal!
2022-09-20 08:32:52	Psi-Jack	Nah. just accidental hitting up and hitting enter, quite literally, while sittig back down after getting something. LOL
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2022-09-20 09:33:51	Shapeshifter	Hi. My new laptop suspends OK, but when resuming it just powers on for 1s and then stops. Then I have to boot normally. So I think there's a kernel panic when resuming. I tried changing all related power settings in the BIOS. Also tried with iommu=soft. In the journal, the last message is "Entering sleep state 'suspend'", after that, it's just boot messages from rebooting.  What more can I try?
2022-09-20 09:35:58	Gagis	typical problems are caused by GPU drivers not being able to recover. I remember nvidia having been a nightmare back in the day at least
2022-09-20 09:37:41	Shapeshifter	This is intel alder lake with iris graphics
2022-09-20 09:41:01	susi	should this work: I have sda3 (/) and sda4 (swap) [on LUKS], so I delete partitions 3 and 4 on fdisk, and recreate 3 taking space of 3+4?
2022-09-20 09:41:05	susi	(offline)
2022-09-20 09:42:49	susi	these are actually on an eMMC, if that matters
2022-09-20 09:45:26	susi	and after creating a larger partition, resize2fs and e2fsck? or should e2fsck be run first
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2022-09-20 16:11:08	Psi-Jack[m]	Course. re-creating the 2 years of archives might take a bit of time.
2022-09-20 16:48:24	glitsj16	Ennea: sounds like an xdg thing
2022-09-20 16:49:22	glitsj16	Ennea: like a per-user part of something under /etc/xdg
2022-09-20 16:49:51	Ennea	excellent keyword! thank you. might be this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xdg-menu
2022-09-20 16:49:52	phrik	Title: Xdg-menu - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-20 16:50:18	Ennea	or, well, KDE might be following that same spec
2022-09-20 16:50:32	glitsj16	Ennea: yeah, forgot the exact name but that's what i meant
2022-09-20 16:51:00	Ennea	i'm really just trying to figure out how to, uhh... i'm not sure, trigger a rebuild of sorts?
2022-09-20 16:51:59	glitsj16	well i see there's https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xdg-menu#update-menus
2022-09-20 16:52:01	phrik	Title: Xdg-menu - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-20 16:52:35	glitsj16	maybe it get's triggered by some pacman hook
2022-09-20 16:52:41	Psi-Jack	Well, applications-merged in userspace, is entries added by.... you. The user.
2022-09-20 16:53:02	Ennea	i don't have xdg-menu itself installed, so it must be KDE doing it.. i think? glitsj16 
2022-09-20 16:53:31	Psi-Jack	Ennea: Have you edited menu items in KDE?
2022-09-20 16:53:42	glitsj16	Ennea: that i don't know for sure, not very familiar with KDE
2022-09-20 16:53:51	Ennea	Psi-Jack, the reason i'm asking is: wine is adding start menu links to it. but those are also in ~/.local/share/applications/wine, and that seems more like a "proper" location, while applications-merged feels very auto-generated
2022-09-20 16:54:03	Psi-Jack	Ennea: It's not.
2022-09-20 16:54:08	Ennea	it's not? hm
2022-09-20 16:54:11	Psi-Jack	No.
2022-09-20 16:54:16	Ennea	why does wine put them into two different locations?
2022-09-20 16:54:24	Psi-Jack	It's usually you using a menu editor and changing things.
2022-09-20 16:54:38	Ennea	i haven't done anything manual, so far it's all wine's doing
2022-09-20 16:54:48	Psi-Jack	Well, .local/share/applications/ is where .desktop entries go.
2022-09-20 16:54:57	Psi-Jack	Not .menu entries.
2022-09-20 16:55:31	Psi-Jack	There's a huuuuuge difference between a .desktop file and .menu file.
2022-09-20 16:55:33	Ennea	yea, i just thought the latter might be generated using the former. but i guess wine just creates both and there's no automagic other things happening here by KDE
2022-09-20 16:56:00	Ennea	but hey, that explains applications-merged at least. thank you :) it was really difficult finding any info on that folder on the net
2022-09-20 16:56:06	Psi-Jack	heh
2022-09-20 16:56:18	Psi-Jack	My google-fu is serious business.
2022-09-20 16:56:33	Psi-Jack	Part knowledge, part google, all brains. 🙂
2022-09-20 16:56:43	Ennea	i thought mine was, too 🤔
2022-09-20 16:56:44	glitsj16	anything containing google is business
2022-09-20 16:56:49	glitsj16	:p
2022-09-20 16:57:15	Psi-Jack	Well, Beekeeper is pretty freaking awesome, but the "free" version is quite naggy about buying it. LOL
2022-09-20 16:58:37	arch_angel	well good news, after following the steps uuidNuniq provided somewhere above, I can successfully boot the computer... only to find that it starts in emergency mode
2022-09-20 16:58:42	Ennea	linux is really growing on me
2022-09-20 16:58:46	glitsj16	Ennea: you could write a small script using inotifywait to put a watch on that dir
2022-09-20 16:59:25	Ennea	glitsj16, don't really need a watch. i was honestly just worried i'd be needlessly manually cleaning up something that some automated task would've done anyway ;)
2022-09-20 16:59:26	mefistofeles	Ennea: good to read that :)
2022-09-20 16:59:44	Ennea	mefistofeles, aha, you're here, too. did you seem my earlier message in #kde?
2022-09-20 17:00:01	glitsj16	Ennea: okay, no probs
2022-09-20 17:00:28	Ennea	on the topic of inotifywait, though: what an absolute gem. used it before at work to automate some tasks based on file system changes
2022-09-20 17:00:35	Ennea	a bit weird to get into, but once you do, it's really neat
2022-09-20 17:01:00	mefistofeles	Ennea: yes, i saw that, thanks for the info
2022-09-20 17:01:12	Ennea	:)
2022-09-20 17:01:17	uuidNuniq	arch_angel: there are at least 3 kind of emergency mode : Linux kernel , Systemd , Grub. which one are you talking about 
2022-09-20 17:01:40	arch_angel	uuidNuniq, I'm in the root@arch-angel
2022-09-20 17:01:56	another|	s/Systemd/initramfs/
2022-09-20 17:02:11	BrainDamage	I wish there was an easy way to cluster up inotifys, I saw facebook had a daemon that was supposed to be the solution, but when I looked at it it was a configuration mostruosity
2022-09-20 17:02:20	arch_angel	i can see the browse my files, and I'm apparently in some tty
2022-09-20 17:02:33	uuidNuniq	arch_angel: what messages does it provide above
2022-09-20 17:02:48	arch_angel	uuidNuniq, can I scroll up in the tty
2022-09-20 17:03:02	arch_angel	because i did journalctl -xb like what it told me to do
2022-09-20 17:03:04	uuidNuniq	i don't think so. just reboot 
2022-09-20 17:03:30	arch_angel	alright
2022-09-20 17:03:30	glitsj16	BrainDamage: by 'cluster up' you mean offer an abstraction layer?
2022-09-20 17:03:31	arch_angel	rebooting
2022-09-20 17:03:39	Psi-Jack	BrainDamage: Heh. A lot of weird things facebook comes up with tend to be.It's like it's in their blood to make things so.
2022-09-20 17:04:54	arch_angel	well uuidNuniq apparently I think the two breaking things are it trying to find the non-existent /swapfile (it exists on my old system), and a start job is running for /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2
2022-09-20 17:05:17	uuidNuniq	arch_angel: so you need to take care of /etc/fstab
2022-09-20 17:05:36	arch_angel	do i delete the fstab and regenerate it
2022-09-20 17:05:38	arch_angel	or what
2022-09-20 17:05:57	uuidNuniq	remove or comment out anything that does not in your new system. check the uuid and options and mount point
2022-09-20 17:06:00	BrainDamage	glitsj16: when an even happens, instead of executing the task immediately, wait x time, if the time expires without events execute the task, if a new event arrives, reset the timer, to avoid starting tasks in the mid of an operation of another program
2022-09-20 17:06:03	arch_angel	honestly i don't even know what's the correct command to generate the fstab in my case
2022-09-20 17:06:25	uuidNuniq	arch_angel: edit the fstab, remove the line containing swapfile
2022-09-20 17:06:52	arch_angel	right
2022-09-20 17:07:04	arch_angel	i've removed the lines containing the partitions from the old filesystem
2022-09-20 17:07:17	BrainDamage	glitsj16: I can write an ad-hoc tool to do it, but a general solution would be nicer, hence "easy to use"
2022-09-20 17:07:27	glitsj16	BrainDamage: ah, thanks for explaining
2022-09-20 17:07:32	uuidNuniq	arch_angel: why don't you take a picture and post here
2022-09-20 17:07:44	arch_angel	holy fuck
2022-09-20 17:07:46	arch_angel	fuckfuckfuck it works
2022-09-20 17:07:49	arch_angel	i booted up
2022-09-20 17:07:52	arch_angel	and startx
2022-09-20 17:07:56	arch_angel	it all works
2022-09-20 17:08:01	arch_angel	with all my old shit present
2022-09-20 17:09:20	uuidNuniq	it should be. rsync is a 100% clone. 
2022-09-20 17:11:07	Ennea	how do i deal with locales that locale-gen cannot generate? KDE offers changing locale stuff in their gui, and also has non-generated locales listed. one of them is en_DE, which i would love to use, but it's not in /etc/locale.gen. and if i try to add it regardless, locale-gen doesn't know about it. what can i do about that?
2022-09-20 17:13:53	uuidNuniq	Ennea: /etc/locale.gen has a format... did you follow the rules?
2022-09-20 17:14:09	uuidNuniq	en_DE.UTF-8 or something like that 
2022-09-20 17:14:21	Ennea	yea, i did. the format is the same, but when i try running locale-gen.. sec
2022-09-20 17:14:42	uuidNuniq	what does locale-gen complain
2022-09-20 17:14:56	Ennea	"[error] cannot open locale definition file `en_DE': No such file or directory"
2022-09-20 17:15:25	Psi-Jack	Curious, does anyone here use a database manager GUI like Navicat, Beekeeper, etc that they would recommend, even if it's a paid application like the two mentioned?
2022-09-20 17:15:25	arch_angel	well, brightness doesn't work, so far that's the only problem
2022-09-20 17:15:51	uuidNuniq	Ennea: grep -Ev '^[[:blank:]]*#|^[[:blank:]]*$' /etc/locale.gen what do you get.
2022-09-20 17:16:04	Ennea	Psi-Jack, i use the community edition of dbeaver
2022-09-20 17:16:13	Psi-Jack	I tried that and it ... sucks.
2022-09-20 17:16:22	Ennea	i liked it more than beekeeper studio
2022-09-20 17:16:35	arch-angel	uuidNuniq, hello from my new laptop
2022-09-20 17:16:37	arch-angel	thanks man
2022-09-20 17:16:43	uuidNuniq	arch-angel: cool.
2022-09-20 17:17:12	Ennea	uuidNuniq, my three uncommented locales: en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8, de_DE.UTF-8 UTF-8 and en_DE.UTF-8 UTF-8
2022-09-20 17:17:21	Psi-Jack	Huh, DBeaver, for me has always been a PITA to setup, especially the SSH tunneling/Jump Host aspects, and the theming, ugh..
2022-09-20 17:17:34	Psi-Jack	On a black/dark theme, DBeaver looks absolutely horrid.
2022-09-20 17:17:49	uuidNuniq	Ennea: reinstall glibc?
2022-09-20 17:18:56	Ennea	uuidNuniq, this is a fresh install (saturday) and i haven't really changed much. is it possible en_DE just isn't a thing?
2022-09-20 17:19:09	Ennea	but sure, i can try
2022-09-20 17:19:31	uuidNuniq	Ennea: ohh, right, en_DE is not available 
2022-09-20 17:19:59	Ennea	follow-up question would be: why is it in KDE's locale list, then?
2022-09-20 17:20:18	Ennea	i suppose en_DE must exist somewhere. but if not as part of glibc, where would it come from?
2022-09-20 17:20:31	Psi-Jack	Ennea: Regardless, thanks for your response. 🙂
2022-09-20 17:21:49	uuidNuniq	Ennea: what's good to use en_DE btw?
2022-09-20 17:22:08	Ennea	Psi-Jack, sure thing :) personally, i usually don't like having applications with a lot of gui controls with a dark theme, so i just use dbeaver with it's light one. so that part doesn't affect me
2022-09-20 17:22:45	Ennea	uuidNuniq, oh, i can probably find another locale to use. i just wanted something quick that i know of that has my (germany's) time format, while weekdays and months are still english
2022-09-20 17:22:59	Psi-Jack	Ennea: Yeah, but if you used it with a dark theme, egawds, it's so .... Hell, sec, I'll just show you.
2022-09-20 17:23:18	Ennea	yea, i can imagine. dbeaver seems like it would be one of those applications that get their dark theme really wrong :)
2022-09-20 17:23:48	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-09-20 17:24:58	⚡ 	Psi-Jack[m] uploaded an image: (37KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/sxHZpbtVfajxzYgdDLNppvLo/dbeaver-bad.png >
2022-09-20 17:25:02	Psi-Jack	There ya go. heh
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2022-09-20 17:31:29	Psi-Jack	but yeah, with DBeaver, I never once got their SSH Tunnelling working, which is ridiculous.
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2022-09-20 17:32:09	Psi-Jack	All I ever get is an EOF Exception, which is the worst useless error you could get.
2022-09-20 17:32:26	uuidNuniq	Ennea: like 24h time format? i use en_GB btw.
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2022-09-20 17:35:20	Psi-Jack	I use en_CA. 🙂
2022-09-20 17:35:37	Ennea	uuidNuniq, yea, p much just that. ideally with some nice date format, too. 24 hour clock, iso8601 for dates.. is there a locale for that?
2022-09-20 17:35:53	Ennea	Psi-Jack, _that_ is the dark theme? lol
2022-09-20 17:36:08	Psi-Jack	Ennea: haha. DBeaver just doesn't follow well. 🙂
2022-09-20 17:36:21	Ennea	i haven't tried the ssh tunnelling, to be honest. but everything else i'm doing with it works perfectly
2022-09-20 17:36:21	MacGyver	Ennea: LC_TIME = en_DK.UTF-8.
2022-09-20 17:36:28	BrainDamage	you can mix and mash locales a bit using the LC_ variables
2022-09-20 17:36:40	MacGyver	Ennea: It's an in-joke locale that specifies ISO format.
2022-09-20 17:36:40	Ennea	MacGyver, yea, i found en_DK somewhere, but don't they use periods instead of colons for time? that's a bit weird
2022-09-20 17:36:52	Ennea	how is it in-joke?
2022-09-20 17:36:53	MacGyver	Ennea: Lemme check.
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2022-09-20 17:36:55	Psi-Jack	Yeah, I'm currently trying out Navicat and Beekeeper Studio
2022-09-20 17:37:05	MacGyver	Ennea: Because "English (Denmark)" isn't actually a thing.
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2022-09-20 17:37:15	Ennea	oh, i see. how does en_DK exist, then?
2022-09-20 17:37:17	Psi-Jack	Beekeeper could use my local ssh-agent, which is nice and handy. 🙂
2022-09-20 17:37:28	MacGyver	Ennea: Convention that came about by using some unused region.
2022-09-20 17:37:29	Ennea	BrainDamage, i'm aware, but LC_TIME is going to display both time and date at some point, so i'm a bit screwed in that regard
2022-09-20 17:37:37	Ennea	MacGyver, interesting :D
2022-09-20 17:37:41	MacGyver	I can look up the mailing list threads about this, did so a few days ago myself.
2022-09-20 17:37:49	Ennea	maybe not _that_ interesting ;)
2022-09-20 17:37:58	Ennea	but.. actually, if you do look it up, let me know
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2022-09-20 17:38:36	Ennea	Psi-Jack, beekeeper studio is nice like that, but i really didn't like it's absolutely barebones ui (which is also electron iirc, ugh), and it's super annoying auto update notification (that could not be turned off)
2022-09-20 17:38:48	MacGyver	Ennea: With LC_TIME set to en_DK.UTF-8 `date +%c` outputs 2022-09-20T17:38:19 CEST for me.
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2022-09-20 17:39:30	Psi-Jack	Ennea: Yeah. Navicat's been around a while. My biggest things is I want Linux and macOS, which both of these do. 
2022-09-20 17:39:52	Psi-Jack	And they're very close to the same pricing. heh
2022-09-20 17:39:55	Ennea	MacGyver, hm, then perhaps just KDE's preview fuer en_DK is borked. let me give that a quick try, then
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2022-09-20 17:42:16	Psi-Jack	Hmmm, nevermind, Navicat "Premium" that supports all the databases, is US$700, where-as Beekeeper is only US$120
2022-09-20 17:42:23	Ennea	MacGyver, it works, -ish. _just_ time does use periods instead of colons
2022-09-20 17:42:29	Ennea	my panel clock now reads 17.42.27
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2022-09-20 17:43:04	Psi-Jack	Heh, and Navicat shows up as "apprun" in the task switcher (Alt+Tab_
2022-09-20 17:43:05	MacGyver	Ennea: <https://web.archive.org/web/20060516183226/http://myy.helia.fi/~karte/international_iso-8601_date_on_thunderbird.html>, <https://web.archive.org/web/20200730172228/http://www.ivoras.net/blog/tree/2010-12-20.the-wonderful-en_dk-locale.html> and <https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137870>
2022-09-20 17:43:06	phrik	Title: International ISO-8601 Date Format on Thunderbird (at web.archive.org)
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2022-09-20 17:43:21	MacGyver	Ennea: Oh that's weird, because LC_TIME=en_DK.UTF-8 date +%X also just gives me 17:42:58
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2022-09-20 17:43:41	Ennea	i can also confirm that. so why is the panel clock with periods...
2022-09-20 17:43:53	Ennea	let me see if i can just customize this in KDE
2022-09-20 17:43:59	MacGyver	Ennea: I think I saw Thunderbird do the same thing before I manually overrode it.
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2022-09-20 17:44:19	Ennea	actually, file dialogs in dolphin also have the period
2022-09-20 17:44:25	Ennea	en_DK is definitely out of the question
2022-09-20 17:44:39	MacGyver	*Just* for LC_TIME.
2022-09-20 17:44:48	MacGyver	Hrrm.
2022-09-20 17:44:54	Ennea	yea, i set it only on LC_TIME
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2022-09-20 17:45:35	MacGyver	That may mean they're actually ignoring the full locale and doing something solely based on it being DK.
2022-09-20 17:46:40	Ennea	i wouldn't be surprised :)
2022-09-20 17:46:54	Ennea	anyway, the C locale has a 24 hour clock and an acceptable short date format, so i'm going with that for now
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2022-09-20 17:48:40	MacGyver	Ah, the hint of what's happening is in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1429578
2022-09-20 17:48:43	phrik	Title: 1429578 - Firefox No Longer Honors LC_TIME When Printing Date (at bugzilla.mozilla.org)
2022-09-20 17:48:45	MacGyver	"Gecko is currently using Unicode project based CLDR/ICU model of internationalization. It has a lot of adventages over POSIX and for majority of users the shortcomings are invisible. Unfortunately for users who utilized the customize values in POSIX, that switch is noticable."
2022-09-20 17:48:56	MacGyver	Probably KDE is doing the same thing.
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2022-09-20 17:50:39	Ennea	ah.. what a shame
2022-09-20 17:50:48	Ennea	thank you for looking into this :)
2022-09-20 17:52:45	MacGyver	I didn't really do it for you.
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2022-09-20 17:53:01	MacGyver	I had the exact same issue yesterday when setting up Thunderbird as a calendar/tasks application.
2022-09-20 17:53:10	MacGyver	So you're lucky to come at this when it's fresh in my memory :P
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2022-09-20 17:54:06	MacGyver	But in that case, you may find there's specific overrides you can set in DKE.
2022-09-20 17:54:08	MacGyver	KDE*
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2022-09-20 17:56:06	Ennea	ah. my timing luck is ever present, it seems ;D
2022-09-20 17:56:18	Ennea	yea, i've checked some places for overrides. don't think there is one for my particular case
2022-09-20 17:56:23	MacGyver	https://superuser.com/questions/1162283/use-iso-time-and-date-format-in-kde-5 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack-locales/+bug/208548/comments/11 might get you where you need to be.
2022-09-20 17:56:25	phrik	Title: linux - Use ISO time and date format in KDE 5 - Super User (at superuser.com)
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2022-09-20 18:00:40	Ennea	hm, that looks promising. thanks!
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2022-09-20 18:04:43	sharperguy	Anyone had trouble with the package python-pyqt5. I have it installed, but in python if I run "import PyQt5" I get "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'PyQt5'"
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2022-09-20 18:07:53	Ennea	can you `import PyQt5.QtCore`?
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2022-09-20 18:09:55	sharperguy	same message, Ennea 
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2022-09-20 18:10:22	Ennea	hm. then i have no other advice, sadly. sorry
2022-09-20 18:10:58	sharperguy	i wonder if something in my ~/ is preventing python from finding it in /usr
2022-09-20 18:11:18	◣	antani (~antani@user/antani) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-09-20 18:11:20	sharperguy	well running python as root gives the same error
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2022-09-20 18:11:38	Ennea	you can `import sys` and check sys.path to see which paths python is looking in at least
2022-09-20 18:11:41	KeiraT	is there a version differential between the python you're trying to run the code with and the python-pyqt5 you installed? 
2022-09-20 18:12:23	Ennea	that's a good question to ask :)
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2022-09-20 18:12:39	DeepDayze	I don't think the default search path in python has the home directory included
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2022-09-20 18:13:22	DeepDayze	Does it find it if you ran your app from the directory itself
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2022-09-20 18:14:44	susi	Arch could consider the same move as Fedora: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/dosbox
2022-09-20 18:14:46	phrik	Title: Overview - rpms/dosbox - src.fedoraproject.org (at src.fedoraproject.org)
2022-09-20 18:14:51	susi	replacing dosbox in the repos with dosbox-staging
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2022-09-20 18:29:04	sharperguy	so I see '/usr/lib/python3.10' in the sys.path list, and 'pacman -Ql python-pyqt5' shows files under '/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/PyQt5/'
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2022-09-20 18:30:36	Scimmia	sharperguy: type -a python
2022-09-20 18:31:09	sharperguy	ahh for some reason I have a python binary under /usr/local/bin
2022-09-20 18:31:39	sharperguy	didn't think to check for that since its still python3.10
2022-09-20 18:32:55	KeiraT	welp, that coincidentally solves my weird issue on macOS too, thanks Scimmia 
2022-09-20 18:33:11	Scimmia	lol
2022-09-20 18:35:03	sharperguy	yeah removing it fixed the problem
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2022-09-20 22:14:43	DeepDayze	I am sure there's PKGBUILDs out there that can be sneaky...a good reason to check it first
2022-09-20 22:15:25	DeepDayze	aren't PKGBUILDs scripts? anyone can slip something shady into a PKGBUILD
2022-09-20 22:16:06	DeepDayze	but making changes to a PKGBUILD can be useful too, to work around bugs for example
2022-09-20 22:16:42	Warepire	Yup, they are bash scrips that get executed via makepkg, so they can do whatever the author wants.
2022-09-20 22:17:50	Warepire	Luckily they can't be run as root easily, so some kinds of immediate damage can be avoided. Though they can still package bad stuff, and do other horrible things.
2022-09-20 22:18:49	Frogging101	If an AUR PKGBUILD is broken and there's no indication that the owner will ever apply the fix, can someone else take over it?
2022-09-20 22:19:21	Warepire	Yes, if the author appears inactive after contact (comments, e-mail to address in PKGBUILD etc) you can file an orphan request.
2022-09-20 22:21:14	DeepDayze	or if some user simply fixes it that's good too
2022-09-20 22:21:38	Warepire	Of course, but the question was asked in the context of "if the user doesn't"
2022-09-20 22:21:48	DeepDayze	such as for a new tarball of an app...but the pkgbuild isn't maintained anymore
2022-09-20 22:24:54	bluetail	have u ever seen a PKBUILD that trolls users?
2022-09-20 22:29:07	wlritchi	Some users install updates without rebooting, and then complain that kernel module loading fails.
2022-09-20 22:29:33	wlritchi	Would it be viable to implement a pacman hook on kernel update that mounts a tmpfs at the old modules location and persists the modules there until reboot?
2022-09-20 22:29:47	wlritchi	Would that obscure other problems?
2022-09-20 22:29:49	jelle	wlritchi: that already exists in the repository
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2022-09-20 22:35:38	wlritchi	jelle: Ah, kernel-modules-hook is a thing! Surprised to see it's not mentioned on the kernel modules wiki page, just on general troubleshooting. I might add a reference to it. Thanks for the pointer!
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2022-09-20 23:00:36	Warepire	alad: I referred to the default behavior of disallowing "sudo makepkg"
2022-09-20 23:09:16	Soni	is "Arch User Repository (AUR)" preferred, or just "AUR"? (honestly we shouldn't need to be asking this but then there's npm)
2022-09-20 23:10:13	gaku	AUR is AUR, npm is npm?
2022-09-20 23:10:52	atcq	i mean, you can go for Arch User Repository if you have the time for that, i'll stick to AUR or even aur :p
2022-09-20 23:12:36	alad	Warepire: it's not related to that
2022-09-20 23:12:50	demonicm1niac1	depends on whether context makes it obvious
2022-09-20 23:12:57	alad	it is makepkg, or some aur helper, running "sudo ..." then commands in the PKGBUILD being in the same process group
2022-09-20 23:13:05	alad	sudo pacman -S in particular
2022-09-20 23:13:12	demonicm1niac1	if it's clear the context is archlinux then aur is good enough
2022-09-20 23:14:29	alad	I like the definition from yesterday
2022-09-20 23:14:33	alad	Almost Usable Repository
2022-09-20 23:15:05	Warepire	alad: I also added "Though they can still package bad stuff, and do other horrible things.", the .install is among the packaged stuff.
2022-09-20 23:15:15	alad	k
2022-09-20 23:16:03	alad	the point is that it's trivial for an AUR pkgbuild to gain root access
2022-09-20 23:17:22	Soni	"(AUR) does not, and in fact it's not uncommon to find disagreements and infighting and bickering on AUR;"
2022-09-20 23:17:39	Soni	(... this is a thing yeah?)
2022-09-20 23:17:44	alad	is that quote from your imagination
2022-09-20 23:17:50	Soni	alad: yes
2022-09-20 23:18:22	alad	are we helping you with your blog posts 🤔
2022-09-20 23:18:24	Soni	(also, perhaps ironically, this is actually trying to prop up AUR)
2022-09-20 23:18:43	Soni	alad: yes
2022-09-20 23:20:09	baltazar	hi! I'm using booster for initramfs generation, but I have a bit of an issue. I have a full disk encryption setup, so I need keyboard drivers in my initramfs. however, if I run booster without a keyboard plugged in, I'm only able to type in my password using my laptop's builtin keyboard, but not an external one
2022-09-20 23:20:56	baltazar	I know booster has a 'universal' option, but is there a way to generate an image that has all keyboard drivers but not necessarily all the other stuff?
2022-09-20 23:21:25	alad	baltazar: how about the "modules" option
2022-09-20 23:21:37	atcq	:w
2022-09-20 23:21:59	baltazar	I tried that, and seemingly I would only need to add the usbhid module. however, that doesn't appear to be enough
2022-09-20 23:22:34	baltazar	for some reason, booster leaves out a line corresponding to usbhid from /usr/lib/modules/booster.alias
2022-09-20 23:22:36	alad	https://github.com/archlinux/mkinitcpio/blob/ca7796a27aa62bae94fe180e6f3717a0d6171101/install/keyboard this adds some more modules
2022-09-20 23:24:18	alad	baltazar: https://github.com/anatol/booster/issues/80
2022-09-20 23:24:28	alad	I suggest either posting there or opening a new issue
2022-09-20 23:26:04	baltazar	ok, thanks
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2022-09-21 00:31:51	arch-angel	so I just cloned my arch installation from an intel CPU with intel integrated graphics to a new laptop with a AMD CPU with Radeon graphics
2022-09-21 00:31:51	arch-angel	is there any new drivers and stuff I think to install?
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2022-09-21 00:31:51	gaku	change the microcode from intel to amd, perhaps the respective hardware acceleration packages…
2022-09-21 00:31:51	keir	arch-angel: i think this article is for radeon graphics
2022-09-21 00:31:51	keir	!aw ATI
2022-09-21 00:31:51	phrik	keir: ATI - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ATI
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2022-09-21 00:31:51	arch-angel	what are the... microcode?
2022-09-21 00:31:51	gaku	intel-ucode -> amd-ucode?
2022-09-21 00:31:51	arch-angel	???
2022-09-21 00:31:51	keir	!aw microcode
2022-09-21 00:31:51	phrik	keir: Microcode - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Microcode
2022-09-21 00:31:51	arch-angel	thanks
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2022-09-21 01:20:23	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1392 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1391 normals)
2022-09-21 00:50:09	_DOOM_	I am trying to fit a form with a single field into a window with a border but I can't seem to get it to work 
2022-09-21 00:50:46	keir	_DOOM_: this is out of scope for arch linux support
2022-09-21 00:50:54	_DOOM_	My apologies
2022-09-21 00:51:19	keir	_DOOM_: i've tried to find you a better channel but i've not come up with anyting
2022-09-21 00:51:38	_DOOM_	There is the ncurses channel but it is essentially inactive
2022-09-21 00:51:49	keir	yes i saw it's very small
2022-09-21 00:52:23	keir	_DOOM_: are you working with ncurses through C?
2022-09-21 00:52:46	_DOOM_	golang
2022-09-21 00:53:12	_DOOM_	through gbin's goncurses library
2022-09-21 00:54:03	keir	_DOOM_: #go-nuts is the golang channel
2022-09-21 00:54:12	_DOOM_	Thank you
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2022-09-21 02:10:21	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1394 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1393 normals)
2022-09-21 01:47:25	Retr0id	where can I report a package that really shouldn't be in the AUR?
2022-09-21 01:47:41	Scimmia	depends on why
2022-09-21 01:47:52	Psi-Jack	Retr0id: There's a link on the aur page to report.
2022-09-21 01:48:11	Psi-Jack	But yeah, why? hjeh
2022-09-21 01:48:42	Scimmia	There's very few things that really shouldn't be in the AUR, and most of them would require force pushing to clean up
2022-09-21 01:51:37	Retr0id	hm well maybe I'm just being grumpy, but I've found one author publishing some very low-quality and insecure code - but I suppose that isn't grounds for removal on its own?
2022-09-21 01:51:59	Psi-Jack	Is it malware?
2022-09-21 01:52:21	cedb	> someone is mad at bad code on AUR
2022-09-21 01:53:36	Retr0id	I don't think it was written with malicious intent, no
2022-09-21 01:55:46	mpan	!aur
2022-09-21 01:55:47	phrik	The trash heap of Arch. Dig around enough and maybe you will find some gold.
2022-09-21 01:55:48	Psi-Jack	Then, doesn't sound like an actual problem.
2022-09-21 01:56:12	mpan	Retr0id: it’s up to the user (the one using the PKGBUILD) to decide if they want a piece of software or not. Unless it’s clearly malware, why would it be removed?
2022-09-21 01:57:51	Retr0id	well, the package in question claims to be a secure encryption tool, but is in fact trivially broken. But it seems that's in keeping with the spirit of the AUR
2022-09-21 01:58:09	topcat001	bad code can at least inspire better code if the idea is good :)
2022-09-21 01:58:29	Scimmia	Put a warning in the comments, IMO
2022-09-21 01:58:41	mpan	AUR is a place where people share, how they believe a piece of software should be built. It’s not a curated collection of software. Note that AUR does not distribute any software by itself.
2022-09-21 01:58:43	Scimmia	or work with upstream to fix it
2022-09-21 02:00:57	mpan	I see it as: you can’t remove someone’s information on how to build program FOO, which is addressed to people already wanting to use FOO, just because you dislike FOO.
2022-09-21 02:01:57	_DOOM_	What is said package?
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2022-09-21 02:45:06	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1398 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1397 normals)
2022-09-21 02:35:12	heat	lol
2022-09-21 02:35:50	heat	zlib is worse :)
2022-09-21 02:36:18	heat	and openssl is quite decent and well maintained these days
2022-09-21 02:38:35	Batzy	i have a laptop running  kde (wayland) and im trying to get a kvm switch to smoothly switch over the display. however when i activate the kvm switch, the additional display isnt detected. xrandr only outputs the main laptop display
2022-09-21 02:39:04	Namarrgon	you can't use xrandr for wayland
2022-09-21 02:39:08	Batzy	oh
2022-09-21 02:39:12	Batzy	ok
2022-09-21 02:39:15	Batzy	well what do i want to do?
2022-09-21 02:39:17	heat	xrandr is for X :D
2022-09-21 02:39:23	Namarrgon	you have to use the builtin tools of the compositor
2022-09-21 02:40:29	Namarrgon	heat: the x in xrandr is for xylophone, not x11
2022-09-21 02:40:55	Batzy	ok so what do i do
2022-09-21 02:41:25	Namarrgon	you open the kwin settings thingy and try all the knobs (or better wait for someone who actually uses kde/kwin)
2022-09-21 02:41:42	heat	system settings -> display configuration?
2022-09-21 02:42:13	Batzy	ok and then what
2022-09-21 02:42:19	Batzy	the 2nd monitor just isnt detected
2022-09-21 02:42:36	heat	does the device dropdown not have anything else?
2022-09-21 02:42:41	Namarrgon	is it detected if you plug it in without the switch?
2022-09-21 02:42:57	Batzy	yeah i mean there isnt even a device dropdown
2022-09-21 02:43:38	Batzy	ok ill check if i plug in directly
2022-09-21 02:43:49	Batzy	yeah that iosnt working either
2022-09-21 02:44:28	Namarrgon	is this an optimus laptop?
2022-09-21 02:44:34	heat	ok so this is the PEBKAC question
2022-09-21 02:44:35	Batzy	nope
2022-09-21 02:44:36	heat	is the display on?
2022-09-21 02:44:45	Namarrgon	no dedicated gpu?
2022-09-21 02:44:51	Batzy	yesit works on my other desktop
2022-09-21 02:44:56	Batzy	and no dedi gpu
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2022-09-21 03:00:46	◣	gaku (~GaKu999@user/gaku999) ha salido (Quit: zzzZZZzzz)
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2022-09-21 03:00:46	Batzy	any ideas
2022-09-21 03:00:46	Namarrgon	try the x11 session or a different wm?
2022-09-21 03:00:47	Batzy	i did
2022-09-21 03:00:47	Batzy	and i also tried sway but
2022-09-21 03:00:47	◣	NullPointerError (~Thunderbi@218.185.239.119) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2022-09-21 03:00:47	Batzy	you know 
2022-09-21 03:00:47	Namarrgon	which laptop is this?
2022-09-21 03:00:47	Batzy	it's a framework laptop
2022-09-21 03:00:47	Namarrgon	uname -r
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2022-09-21 03:00:47	Batzy	and i guess this is where our adventure ends
2022-09-21 03:00:47	Namarrgon	like it always does
2022-09-21 03:00:47	Batzy	5.15.65-1-MANJARO
2022-09-21 03:00:47	◣	columbarius (~columbari@mue-88-130-54-034.dsl.tropolys.de) ha salido (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2022-09-21 03:00:47	Namarrgon	well, you know the drill
2022-09-21 03:00:47	Batzy	whyd u have to do that man
2022-09-21 03:00:47	Batzy	i thought i couldve gotten a little further
2022-09-21 03:00:47	◣	straub (~straub@user/straub) ha salido (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in)
2022-09-21 03:00:47	Batzy	now i have to go do a dead channel where this will just never be resolved
2022-09-21 03:00:47	Namarrgon	oh the consequences of our choice...
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2022-09-21 03:00:47	Batzy	well the worst is buying a kvm switch and now it's useless
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2022-09-21 03:49:44	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1401 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1400 normals)
2022-09-21 03:20:54	mpan	Sometimes not being able to answer questions that any Arch user must know. One may forget one or two things, but after a few such missing pieces you realize something is wrong.
2022-09-21 03:21:39	Frogging101	discord is disgusting
2022-09-21 03:21:54	Batzy	heat it was a shot in the dark for him. i didnt say anything that demonstrated i didnt know what was going on or that i didnt inderstand my installation
2022-09-21 03:22:13	Batzy	understand*
2022-09-21 03:22:42	Batzy	lucky guess i suppose
2022-09-21 03:23:22	Batzy	i used arch for years before using manjaro so im guessing the people who responded just want to look for ways to subtly insult someone for some reason
2022-09-21 03:24:16	Batzy	and i do like arch-- just didnt have enough time to make using arch my full time job
2022-09-21 03:24:41	Scimmia	coming from someone who intentially lied to people. I don't think the people providing the help are the problem.
2022-09-21 03:24:42	Namarrgon	this does not give you the right to lie to the community
2022-09-21 03:24:54	Batzy	that's not what im addressing
2022-09-21 03:24:58	glitsj16	face-saving behavior is part of all social interaction
2022-09-21 03:25:23	Batzy	i was addressing the responses to "how were you able to guess uname -r"
2022-09-21 03:26:11	Scimmia	sure, with a not-so-subtle insult. You've lost all high ground, though
2022-09-21 03:26:24	Batzy	what was my not so subtle insult?
2022-09-21 03:26:38	Batzy	that i accused them of making subtle insults? i mean they did
2022-09-21 03:26:40	Scimmia	"im guessing the people who responded just want to look for ways to subtly insult someone for some reason"
2022-09-21 03:26:48	Batzy	yes thats exactly what they did
2022-09-21 03:26:55	Batzy	they werent even the ones involved
2022-09-21 03:26:56	Scimmia	because you lied to them
2022-09-21 03:27:02	Batzy	no
2022-09-21 03:27:04	Scimmia	YOU are the problem here, not them
2022-09-21 03:27:10	Batzy	that wasnt the nature of their complaint
2022-09-21 03:27:11	Namarrgon	you have voided your right to complain, now quiet down or i'll put my hat on and quiet you
2022-09-21 03:27:40	Batzy	i didnt even complain, i was answering the guys question and now im just responding to you 2
2022-09-21 03:28:50	Batzy	their responses didnt encode the information "he lied" at all. they said something else insulting. if they had just said im a liar i think it's a bad (but valid) response
2022-09-21 03:29:36	Batzy	instead they chose to say i didnt know the basics and was clueless about my install. Which is just not true so it didnt answer the original question 
2022-09-21 03:29:51	iio7	I have multiple machines running arch so I thought setting up a local repo would be nice. I am using these scripts: https://gist.github.com/gdamjan/cc3a65cf9afa5fd7645c, I have changed the user to root in the systemd service file, and I can run the script manually with no problems, but when it is started by systemd, it fails with rsync: [Receiver] mkdir "/var/www/archlinux-repo/archlinux/pool"
2022-09-21 03:29:51	iio7	failed: Read-only file system (30) - However, it is NOT a read-only 
2022-09-21 03:29:51	iio7	file system!
2022-09-21 03:30:01	iio7	What am I missing here?
2022-09-21 03:31:40	Namarrgon	ProtectSystem=strict
2022-09-21 03:32:38	BrainDamage	add ReadWritePaths=wheretoputstuff
2022-09-21 03:32:41	migro	ReadWritePath
2022-09-21 03:33:07	iio7	Thank you very much guys! I completely overlooked that!
2022-09-21 03:33:48	Namarrgon	why did you change to User=root?
2022-09-21 03:35:05	iio7	Because I could not get it to work, I have fixed that too.
2022-09-21 03:35:11	arch_angel	huh, why isn't there any sys/ headers?
2022-09-21 03:35:30	arch_angel	the /usr/include/sys is empty
2022-09-21 03:37:30	Scimmia	arch_angel: that doesn't sound good. Most of those come from glibc
2022-09-21 03:38:08	Scimmia	rogue script? Filesystem problems?
2022-09-21 03:38:47	arch_angel	I just slapped my old pc's entire / onto my new pc
2022-09-21 03:39:10	Scimmia	so a copying issue
2022-09-21 03:39:20	arch_angel	there's lots of these "warning: could not get file information" when I reinstall the linux-zen, linux-zen-headers and glibc
2022-09-21 03:39:32	Scimmia	check pacman -Qkk
2022-09-21 03:39:51	Scimmia	should tell you about missing files from other packages
2022-09-21 03:39:58	arch_angel	jesus thats a lot of missing files
2022-09-21 03:41:17	arch_angel	Scimmia, is it possible to filter the output to just packages with missing files
2022-09-21 03:41:19	Scimmia	you're usually better off just getting the package list intead of copying your entire root
2022-09-21 03:41:56	Scimmia	not directly, I would just pipe it to grep
2022-09-21 03:42:06	arch_angel	the output is like 10000 lines long
2022-09-21 03:42:30	arch_angel	Scimmia, how?
2022-09-21 03:42:46	arch_angel	I know how to pipe it, but the regex or whatever
2022-09-21 03:42:52	arch_angel	i don't know what to put
2022-09-21 03:43:12	Scimmia	I don't either, I don't have the missing files
2022-09-21 03:43:27	bougyman	Show me some output.
2022-09-21 03:43:35	bougyman	Or did you do that already and it's just off the scroll?
2022-09-21 03:44:02	Scimmia	if there's that may problems, just reinstall all packages and call it good
2022-09-21 03:44:09	Scimmia	s/may/many
2022-09-21 03:44:18	arch_angel	yeah there's a fuckload of problems
2022-09-21 03:44:38	arch_angel	how do I just reinstall everything?
2022-09-21 03:45:02	arch_angel	like for every 2 packages one is problematic
2022-09-21 03:45:19	Scimmia	See the pacman page in the wiki
2022-09-21 03:45:27	arch_angel	alright
2022-09-21 03:47:01	arch_angel	ah
2022-09-21 03:47:45	arch_angel	right so there are two commands apparently, pacman -S $(pacman -Qnq) is for native packages, pacman -S $(pacman -Qmq) is for foreign packages... what does it mean by foreign packages?
2022-09-21 03:48:08	sheep	packages that are not available from pacman's repos
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2022-09-21 04:08:41	low-key	trying to install windows 11 and i'm apparently short of space on the "system reserved partition"
2022-09-21 04:09:06	low-key	would it be okay to delete initramfs-linux-fallback.img?
2022-09-21 04:09:14	low-key	or would i be screwing up my arch install by doing that?
2022-09-21 04:09:21	sheep	I don't think that's on the system reserved partition
2022-09-21 04:09:26	Scimmia	right
2022-09-21 04:09:31	low-key	it would?
2022-09-21 04:09:37	low-key	even the fallback?
2022-09-21 04:09:56	sheep	the system reserved partition is not usually shared with any other OS
2022-09-21 04:10:06	sheep	I don't think it's the same as the EFI System partition
2022-09-21 04:10:25	low-key	so my issue is with /boot/EFI and not /boot itself?
2022-09-21 04:10:34	sheep	it's neither
2022-09-21 04:10:36	Scimmia	low-key: no, it's with a totally separate partition that you don't access
2022-09-21 04:10:49	sheep	it's whatever partition windows has selected for the system reserved partition
2022-09-21 04:11:02	Scimmia	low-key: google microsoft reserved partition
2022-09-21 04:11:41	low-key	on it
2022-09-21 04:14:32	low-key	hmmm, seems like i can increase the system reserved partition
2022-09-21 04:14:40	low-key	thanks people, i think that's the route I'll go!
2022-09-21 04:16:34	arch_angel	why does the keyboard beep annoyingly loud
2022-09-21 04:16:37	arch_angel	how do i turn it off
2022-09-21 04:19:46	MrAureliusR	arch_angel: you'll need to provide a lot more info than that
2022-09-21 04:19:49	MrAureliusR	when does it beep?
2022-09-21 04:20:01	arch_angel	well let's say my hexchat input box is empty
2022-09-21 04:20:04	arch_angel	and i press backspace
2022-09-21 04:20:23	sheep	sounds like visual bell
2022-09-21 04:20:33	arch_angel	and sometimes when i reboot
2022-09-21 04:20:34	arch_angel	it will
2022-09-21 04:20:42	sheep	or audible bell. Why did I say an audible bell is visual?
2022-09-21 04:20:50	arch_angel	yeah how do i turn that thing off
2022-09-21 04:20:53	arch_angel	it's annoying as hell
2022-09-21 04:21:06	MrAureliusR	it depends. what DE are you using?
2022-09-21 04:21:11	arch_angel	i3-wm
2022-09-21 04:21:13	sheep	rmmod pcspkr?
2022-09-21 04:21:19	arch_angel	startx with i3-wm
2022-09-21 04:21:26	MrAureliusR	oh, I know absolutely nothing about i3
2022-09-21 04:21:35	arch_angel	whats pcspkr
2022-09-21 04:21:39	sheep	i3 itself doesn't do anything with bells
2022-09-21 04:22:07	arch_angel	oh
2022-09-21 04:22:18	arch_angel	rmmod pcspkr solved the problem
2022-09-21 04:22:25	arch_angel	is this permanent
2022-09-21 04:22:28	MrAureliusR	you can blacklist that module if you want
2022-09-21 04:22:40	arch_angel	how do I do that exactly?
2022-09-21 04:23:08	arch_angel	ah
2022-09-21 04:23:09	sheep	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_module#Blacklisting
2022-09-21 04:23:10	phrik	Title: Kernel module - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-21 04:23:10	arch_angel	found it
2022-09-21 04:23:12	arch_angel	yep
2022-09-21 04:24:01	MrAureliusR	anyway the reason I popped in is because os-prober is not seeing another Linux install on the same machine. I've mounted the partitions with the other system, and linux-boot-prober *does* see it
2022-09-21 04:24:11	MrAureliusR	but os-prober by itself or when running grub-mkconfig does not
2022-09-21 04:24:29	MrAureliusR	I'm at a bit of a loss as to why, I've never had it not see another kernel before
2022-09-21 04:25:09	MrAureliusR	am I going to have to just manually create GRUB entries for it?
2022-09-21 04:25:30	MrAureliusR	I suppose I could copy the ones the other distro makes and make the appropriate modifications for it to point to the correct drive
2022-09-21 04:25:53	sheep	you could try manually addding an entry to chainload its grub or just make a manual entry to load it
2022-09-21 04:26:10	sheep	if you use grub-mkconfig then you can make a scriptin /etc/grub.d to do it
2022-09-21 04:26:45	glitsj16	MrAureliusR: do you have `GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false` in your /etc/default/grub?
2022-09-21 04:26:49	MrAureliusR	yes
2022-09-21 04:27:01	MrAureliusR	It specifically prints that it *is* enabled when running grub-mkconfig
2022-09-21 04:27:38	sheep	os-prober is not tottally reliable
2022-09-21 04:28:00	MrAureliusR	so I'm learning :D
2022-09-21 04:28:11	glitsj16	MrAureliusR: okay, just checking
2022-09-21 04:28:12	MrAureliusR	but it's odd that the related tool linux-boot-prober can see it
2022-09-21 04:28:25	MrAureliusR	glitsj16: yeah, I've been troubleshooting this on and off all day
2022-09-21 04:28:46	MrAureliusR	the other distro (Fedora) can see arch and created a menu entry for it, but that menu entry doesn't work
2022-09-21 04:29:00	MrAureliusR	so maybe I'll try and fix that entry and then have that be the first entry in the boot order
2022-09-21 04:29:33	glitsj16	MrAureliusR: oh so you're dual-booting linux - linux?
2022-09-21 04:30:13	MrAureliusR	At the moment yeah
2022-09-21 04:30:24	MrAureliusR	Cause I'm a weirdo
2022-09-21 04:30:44	MrAureliusR	Though that other partition might eventually become a BSD or something
2022-09-21 04:30:47	glitsj16	MrAureliusR: if that's the criterium, count me in
2022-09-21 04:31:37	glitsj16	MrAureliusR: well, i asked because it might make a difference from which OS you ran grub-install
2022-09-21 04:31:51	glitsj16	but i assume you know all that
2022-09-21 04:32:01	jed	quit
2022-09-21 04:32:47	MrAureliusR	Yes
2022-09-21 04:33:21	MrAureliusR	I ended up letting fedora create it's own EFI partition as the one I created for arch is probably smaller than I should have made it
2022-09-21 04:33:52	MrAureliusR	It's on a totally separate drive and I can boot into it by using the BIOS boot menu
2022-09-21 04:34:05	MrAureliusR	But it'd be nice to just have it all in the same menu
2022-09-21 04:34:24	glitsj16	MrAureliusR: sure
2022-09-21 04:35:40	glitsj16	but from the fedora side the arch boot menu entry isn't working either you mentioned
2022-09-21 04:37:01	MrAureliusR	yeah, but at least it's seeing it
2022-09-21 04:37:07	MrAureliusR	not sure what's up with that
2022-09-21 04:37:26	MrAureliusR	I can't remember the exact error but it was along the lines of it couldn't find one of the files
2022-09-21 04:37:37	MrAureliusR	looking at the boot entry, it looks like there might be a typo?
2022-09-21 04:38:19	MrAureliusR	https://termbin.com/gwdy
2022-09-21 04:38:27	MrAureliusR	that ^ in the initrd line seems weird to me
2022-09-21 04:38:50	MrAureliusR	and I have feeling it was that file (the intel-ucode) that it errored on
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2022-09-21 04:58:00	cedb	just out of curiosity it failed when generating grub.cfg from arch or fedora?
2022-09-21 05:00:50	cedb	hmm the fedora grubby doesnt do the detection of other os
2022-09-21 05:11:06	MrAureliusR	fedora does see arch, but generates a menu entry that doesn't work
2022-09-21 05:11:12	MrAureliusR	arch can't see fedora
2022-09-21 05:14:39	mefistofeles	MrAureliusR: you need os-prober in the arch install to detect other installed systems
2022-09-21 05:14:46	mefistofeles	and the partitions must be mounted
2022-09-21 05:15:03	cedb	mefistofeles: they went through that
2022-09-21 05:15:13	mefistofeles	MrAureliusR: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Detecting_other_operating_systems 
2022-09-21 05:15:14	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-21 05:15:17	mefistofeles	cedb: oh okay
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2022-09-21 06:37:47	arch_angel	https://termbin.com/zofo
2022-09-21 06:37:53	arch_angel	I've looked through my journalctl
2022-09-21 06:38:07	arch_angel	these are the two problems I've found
2022-09-21 06:56:09	arch_angel	are these errors severe or can they be ignored?
2022-09-21 07:04:21	Edu4rdSHL	ACPI errors can be safely ignored
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2022-09-21 07:37:18	Ganna	http://pastie.org/p/2aS2MxgpNqmAzXHKbk5TpF/raw i can find font family for not sans?
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2022-09-21 08:11:17	Ganna	which package is noto sans mono family?
2022-09-21 08:13:30	Psi-Jack	Ganna: Are you familiar with how to use pacman?
2022-09-21 08:13:37	Ganna	yes
2022-09-21 08:14:37	Ganna	Psi-Jack: http://pastie.org/p/4r89iPeAEbMB0TJF5CoDIy/raw 
2022-09-21 08:15:08	Psi-Jack	So, what's confusing about that?
2022-09-21 08:15:26	Ganna	need family font for allacritty config
2022-09-21 08:15:40	Ganna	fc-list shows none.
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2022-09-21 08:44:05	uuidNuniq	!RTFM Ganna 
2022-09-21 08:44:05	phrik	uuidNuniq: The answer is 42.
2022-09-21 08:44:13	uuidNuniq	!RTFM
2022-09-21 08:44:13	phrik	Read The Fine Manpages. <https://man.archlinux.org/> Find manpages with '!man <command>'.
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2022-09-21 09:59:51	roxyist	hello
2022-09-21 10:02:06	Ennea	ugh.. why does libappindicator not support a "default action" that's activated when just left clicking an icon :/
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2022-09-21 11:05:51	Zetta1Reid0	Ennea:I mean like i want to copy/move file as another name like mv /usr/share /usr/shr.I want to do that but if i ommit path from sht it is just going to move it to current working directory .As for system tray. There are others on the applet store,but they are just modified versions of default 1.Also why do you need another tray system ? This 1 already supports all backends like Classic
2022-09-21 11:05:51	Zetta1Reid0	Tray,Status Notifiers and Indicators.
2022-09-21 11:07:54	Ennea	Zetta1Reid0, no no, i don't want another tray system, i just want to know what backend KDE is typically using. because it's absolutely not apparent from their docs (or i can't find it)
2022-09-21 11:08:24	Ennea	as for your mv/cp question: i see! but i'm not sure either
2022-09-21 11:10:16	julienxx	cyphertite: yes sddm is enabled and working properly. I don't see anything relevant in the Xorg logs
2022-09-21 11:11:35	cyphertite	k - but, I never seen those issues with sddm on two very different laptops
2022-09-21 11:12:22	julienxx	yeah I blame sddm but might be something else
2022-09-21 11:13:24	julienxx	I tried different ports and it's the same, shouldn't be a hardware issue
2022-09-21 11:13:35	cyphertite	julienxx:  can you swap out a different k/b and mouse - and try again?
2022-09-21 11:13:48	MrElendig	julienxx: system logs, not just xorg log
2022-09-21 11:13:57	Zetta1Reid0	Ennea: Their default is KStatusNotifier from kdeui for notifers. But some like plasma-pa are written directly as plasmoids (applets).Yeah the system tray can display that too on KDE. That is why if you add plasma audio applet and leave it enabled in system tray you get 2 instances of widget in the add widget window
2022-09-21 11:14:58	julienxx	I don't have other devices but I can see that they all come up at the same time 20-30s after sddm is started. They all light up at the same time. I suppose it's not my ports as I can use the keyboard in grub
2022-09-21 11:15:40	Ennea	Zetta1Reid0, ahh, that's good to know, thanks! why is that info so hard to find?!
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2022-09-21 11:37:55	GuiToris	MrElendig, thank you :)
2022-09-21 11:41:17	Furai	When updating AUR package, should I do system update? If I don't do it - will it be considered "partial update" like with pacman?
2022-09-21 11:42:24	mpan	Stricly speaking accusations of a “partial upgrade” are used when you do that with official repos. It does not really appear in the context of your own packages. But not updating your own packages, that depend on update official packages, may lead to a breakage.
2022-09-21 11:54:03	Ennea	julienxx, strictly out of curiosity, what's that mic that's causing problems?
2022-09-21 11:55:47	julienxx	Ennea: Snowball Blue Ice, putting it on a usb hub fixes the issue. I suppose it's not handling its power consumption correctly and the hub mitigates the issue.
2022-09-21 11:56:36	Ennea	hm, interesting
2022-09-21 11:57:07	Ennea	i've found similar reports about the blue yeti, because i was looking that up ahead of time (before switching to linux from windows) since i have one. mine does not seem affected, though, so i must've lucked out on the revision or something
2022-09-21 11:57:19	Wazi	Hi all, I was installing Arch earlier and now I can't find it in my Grub menu, probably because I forgot to run grub-install before exiting the install environment. I've spent the past hour and a half trying to fix it, and have read the wiki page on GRUB and half a dozen other resources, but I haven't had any luck with the provided solutions. Does
2022-09-21 11:57:20	Wazi	anyone know what I can do to try and fix this?
2022-09-21 11:58:35	Ennea	Wazi, using grub-mkconfig doesn't create suitable entries?
2022-09-21 12:00:02	mpan	Note you must run it while chrooted into Arch system, with the grub.cfg containing partition mounted.
2022-09-21 12:03:24	Wazi	I did try that, mpan, but I probably did something wrong. I mounted the partition using `sudo mount /dev/nvme01p7 /mnt/archdir` and then chrooted into it with `sudo chroot /mnt/archdir /usr/bin/bash` and then tried grub-mkconfig, but it wasn't installed. I tried installing it with pacman, but got an error "could not determine filesystem mount
2022-09-21 12:03:24	Wazi	points" and nothing was installed.
2022-09-21 12:04:01	mpan	“/mnt/archdir/boot” points to where?
2022-09-21 12:04:42	Wazi	I'm not sure what that means, sorry
2022-09-21 12:05:12	mpan	The partition, which contains GRUB data (like /boot) must be mounted in the chrooted system.
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2022-09-21 12:39:57	Wazi	Just realised I gave the wrong answer lol. It's still not there
2022-09-21 12:40:08	mpan	ph
2022-09-21 12:40:11	mpan	oh
2022-09-21 12:40:18	Wazi	I completely misread my own question
2022-09-21 12:42:39	Wazi	I'll try Ennea's suggestion and see if I can just copy the grub config over
2022-09-21 12:48:55	Wazi	In case I mess something up here, what can I do if I can't load GRUB?
2022-09-21 12:52:35	MrElendig	dualboot with grub from another distro?
2022-09-21 12:52:59	solsTiCe	hi. I am booting my LVM/LUKS arch with a usb key wich has the LUKS key in the post-MBR gap. I have backup of for that key. I am thinking of swithcing to use my solokey (that I just bought). But what about backup? What happend if I loose my solokey?
2022-09-21 12:53:19	MrElendig	solsTiCe: buy two of them
2022-09-21 12:53:43	MrElendig	solsTiCe: and/or keep a copy of the key itself somewhere else, like on a dead tree or whatever
2022-09-21 12:54:10	Wazi	Ok looks like I was worried over nothing. GRUB is fine, and I can now select Arch, which boots correctly. Thanks for the help mpan and Ennea!
2022-09-21 12:54:17	MrElendig	you can also use your usb stick as the backup, you can have >1 keyslot after all
2022-09-21 12:54:33	solsTiCe	ok
2022-09-21 12:55:38	MrElendig	are you planning on using webauth for the actual unlock?
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2022-09-21 12:56:48	solsTiCe	hmm the systemd thing. What is that webauth ?
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2022-09-21 13:29:15	solsTiCe	there is this https://github.com/saravanan30erd/solokey-full-disk-encryption
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2022-09-21 13:58:12	arch_angel	is it possible to turn off the laptop screen when an external monitor is attached?
2022-09-21 13:58:43	MrElendig	sure
2022-09-21 13:58:56	MrElendig	udev rule is one way, a profile in your wm/de is another
2022-09-21 13:59:11	arch_angel	what about the xrandr thing
2022-09-21 13:59:26	arch_angel	I'm on i3-wm, so I'll go with the wm option
2022-09-21 13:59:41	arch_angel	how am I exactly supposed to pull this off?
2022-09-21 14:00:40	MrElendig	easiest is probably a udev rule
2022-09-21 14:01:17	jelle	MrElendig: there is a deamon for this
2022-09-21 14:01:38	jelle	what is the name again hmm
2022-09-21 14:01:54	MrElendig	jelle: multiple even
2022-09-21 14:03:14	jelle	ah, grobi I think
2022-09-21 14:03:22	arch_angel	MrElendig, what udev rule??
2022-09-21 14:03:49	jelle	arch_angel: something like this https://github.com/fd0/grobi
2022-09-21 14:03:59	MrElendig	nice, go, most of the ones I've seen have been written really badly in bash
2022-09-21 14:04:17	jelle	or autorandr which is in pythonz
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2022-09-21 14:25:24	bluetail	I use autorandr
2022-09-21 14:25:30	bluetail	arandr is not what I wanted
2022-09-21 14:25:41	bluetail	autorandr can load your saved profiles on a whim
2022-09-21 14:30:07	ganna	errorin login user https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mMbbMFN5/irccloudcapture5845997828038582788.jpg
2022-09-21 14:30:24	ganna	Need your help?
2022-09-21 14:37:28	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-09-21 14:37:29	ganna	Last thing o have done is chsh
2022-09-21 14:54:55	jelle	ganna: to a non-existant shell or wrong path?
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2022-09-21 15:15:26	heythere221	ponies: Thanks so much!:)
2022-09-21 15:26:02	Psi-Jack	Heh, speaking of Nvidia, did anyone hear about the EVGA story about them ending their partnership?
2022-09-21 15:31:06	bea	no
2022-09-21 15:33:00	solsTiCe	MrElendig: so that does not work; I have opened 2 issues on solokey-fulldisk-encryption github.
2022-09-21 15:42:18	luigibu	hi! a good guide for networking namespaces? i would love to select some apps to avoid my vpn. 
2022-09-21 15:43:23	Ganna	!wiki namespace
2022-09-21 15:43:24	phrik	Ganna: BLEEP BLOOP
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2022-09-21 17:05:22	Ganna	!ix
2022-09-21 17:05:23	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-09-21 17:06:29	Sout_	yeah i just used ix.io
2022-09-21 17:08:46	jayray	so close to getting uefi stub working... doing luks lvm, and it is not trying to open the luks volume on boot - its just spinning looking for the vg-root partition
2022-09-21 17:09:40	jayray	https://gist.github.com/jayray-git/24bbeb396cfc9b2cdfc5515c14b64a9b
2022-09-21 17:10:07	jayray	think the \ in the initrd may be the prob?
2022-09-21 17:13:49	Scimmia	jayray: what hooks are you using in mkinitcpio?
2022-09-21 17:15:12	jayray	base udev autodetect mdadm_udev encrypt lvm2 resume systemd sd-encrypt
2022-09-21 17:15:38	Scimmia	encrypt and sd-encrypt are mutually exlusive
2022-09-21 17:16:24	jayray	what happens when u have both?
2022-09-21 17:16:29	Scimmia	no idea
2022-09-21 17:17:05	jayray	I have been running that list of hooks on 2 other systems and it "works" but they are using grub to boot
2022-09-21 17:17:16	jayray	pull encrypt and rinse repeat?
2022-09-21 17:17:33	Scimmia	do you want a systemd based initramfs or a busybox based initramfs?
2022-09-21 17:17:52	jayray	*big question is the efi unicode string looking correct
2022-09-21 17:18:13	Scimmia	no, but it also all depends on which encryption hook you're using
2022-09-21 17:18:38	jayray	probably systemd, because I may want to use TPM with systemd encrypt on some installs
2022-09-21 17:20:01	Scimmia	See https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Mkinitcpio#Common_hooks
2022-09-21 17:20:01	phrik	Title: mkinitcpio - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-21 17:21:03	jayray	rebuilding mkinitcpio rn
2022-09-21 17:21:38	Scimmia	hmm, looks like sd-encrypt uses the same kernel parameters. I was remembering it using different ones
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2022-09-21 17:22:19	jayray	boom.. fixed
2022-09-21 17:37:28	Scimmia	oh, no, they don't
2022-09-21 17:37:28	⚡ 	jayray takes note to fix all other installs
2022-09-21 17:37:28	jayray	only use encrypt or sd-encrypt* and it seems my use case with efistub,luks,lvm needs sd-encrypt probably
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2022-09-21 17:37:28	jayray	and damn.. that boots fast
2022-09-21 17:37:28	artefact	sd-encrypt can also work with just crypttab.initramfs
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2022-09-21 17:37:28	artefact	which imo is nicer than kernel cmdline stuff
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2022-09-21 17:37:28	jayray	artefact: I'm going to use crypttab.initramfs to point to TPM
2022-09-21 17:37:28	jayray	so I can scrap the kernel crypto command line stuff?
2022-09-21 17:37:28	jayray	thanks for the help Scimmia.. been tinkering w this problem for a while
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2022-09-21 17:37:28	Scimmia	np
2022-09-21 17:37:28	Scimmia	jayray: looking at your hooks again, I'm surprised it works without the filesystems hook
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2022-09-21 17:37:28	jayray	OHH
2022-09-21 17:37:28	jayray	Scimmia: ur right.. idk how its working then..
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2022-09-21 17:37:28	jayray	lol.. I recently took that out of my build scripts for some reason.. back in it goes :3
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2022-09-22 15:07:42	Ennea	Gagis, yea, makes sense :D
2022-09-22 15:31:35	Nixola	why does Arch's xclip build not support the -debug option?
2022-09-22 15:34:13	Foxboron	Because the maintainer hasn't enabled it
2022-09-22 15:43:06	Ennea	h4rd3n3d_, the themes i'm finding could've been made 30 or 10 years ago, it's honestly impossible to tell :)
2022-09-22 15:49:59	Ennea	yea, starfield comes with arch's grub package
2022-09-22 15:50:04	Ennea	it's the default/sample theme or whatever
2022-09-22 15:50:08	Ennea	butt ugly, that thing
2022-09-22 16:05:17	kulak	My backup.timer service seems to go inactive.  I am suspecting it happens on reboot.  Here is output of `systemctl status backup.timer` command https://termbin.com/9h3v
2022-09-22 16:06:11	Scimmia	post the timer
2022-09-22 16:08:08	kulak	`cat backup.timer` https://termbin.com/qk6y
2022-09-22 16:11:54	hendry	is there a pager that supports color? less even with export LESS='-R --use-color -Dd+r$Du+b' from the wiki doesn't seem to like coloured terminals
2022-09-22 16:17:28	realguy	hendry: I'm using `bat` (cat with wings) for cat + less on crack
2022-09-22 16:18:36	realguy	hendry: bat has all the nice looking syntax highlighting its a drop in replacement https://github.com/sharkdp/bat
2022-09-22 16:23:46	hendry	realguy: you alias less to bat ??
2022-09-22 16:24:30	another|	programm --help | bat -l help
2022-09-22 16:25:43	realguy	hendry: more or less `alias cat="bat -p"` bat has an auto pager if you want if the output is too big it will drop you automatically into a pager (less style)
2022-09-22 16:28:35	realguy	hendry: I'm uing cat a lot in scripts to get this working you need the `-p` option to remove line number and other fancy stuff so if you bind `cat=bat -p` you are in a save spot. If I need more power I use bat directly. If you use it you will never look back
2022-09-22 16:54:44	Ennea	BrainDamage, well, i wrote my own theme. was a bit fiddly, but worked out :)
2022-09-22 16:57:29	susi	is 'nowatchdog' enough, or do I need to add nmi_watchdog=0 to kernel cmdline to disable watchdogs
2022-09-22 17:01:34	susi	and possibly blacklist ACPI WDAT watchdog driver?
2022-09-22 17:03:05	Namarrgon	why are you trying to disable it?
2022-09-22 17:04:43	susi	because I read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Improving_performance#Watchdogs and it feels like I don't necessarily need watchdogs on this laptop
2022-09-22 17:04:43	phrik	Title: Improving performance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-22 17:05:14	MrElendig	susi: have basically exactly 0 impact on performance
2022-09-22 17:05:45	Namarrgon	i doubt you can see the difference even in benchmarks
2022-09-22 17:11:16	BrainDamage	the only impact it may have is waking up from deep sleep, and even then it's debatable if your system wakeup frequency is so low that the watchdog matters
2022-09-22 17:11:34	BrainDamage	( if it's not clear, it's not a perf, rather powersafe thing )
2022-09-22 17:27:57	bluetail	I feel the more I use Archlinux, the happier I am to not face Windows Shenanigans and limitations
2022-09-22 17:29:16	luigibu	hi! is there a package for libcap2-bin?
2022-09-22 17:29:59	Psi-Jack[m]	luigibu: Did you search pacman?
2022-09-22 17:30:40	MrElendig	luigibu: why would you need that?
2022-09-22 17:31:13	MrElendig	luigibu: are you reading the instructions for how to install something on a totally different distro?
2022-09-22 17:31:34	luigibu	is an enviroment i need to work with
2022-09-22 17:31:36	Psi-Jack[m]	heh
2022-09-22 17:31:42	MrElendig	you most likely want libcap
2022-09-22 17:31:50	Psi-Jack[m]	That's.. vague. :)
2022-09-22 17:31:50	luigibu	i got an error.. access denied.. 
2022-09-22 17:32:06	MrElendig	which you most likely have already anyway
2022-09-22 17:32:08	luigibu	and the guide says to install that and run some commands.. 
2022-09-22 17:32:23	Psi-Jack[m]	"the guide?"
2022-09-22 17:32:35	MrElendig	what are you actually trying to do?
2022-09-22 17:32:58	luigibu	run a mook server npm
2022-09-22 17:33:24	luigibu	seams is set to work with por 443 but my distro complains.. cos is not rooot 
2022-09-22 17:33:29	luigibu	something like that.. 
2022-09-22 17:33:41	MrElendig	consider not running it directly on 443
2022-09-22 17:34:20	MrElendig	mookserver -p 80443 -m whatever #problem solved
2022-09-22 17:34:22	Psi-Jack[m]	Well, you don't run npms, tyhat's a package manager for nodejs.
2022-09-22 17:34:22	Psi-Jack[m]	luigibu: Yes, this is normal. <1024 ports are privilegdged.
2022-09-22 17:35:12	Psi-Jack[m]	Yep. Sounds like a solution to me. Or not using ssl on it directly and front that with nginx or something,.
2022-09-22 17:35:13	luigibu	i really dont understad much.. cos is a frontend project.. i did not work much
2022-09-22 17:35:33	Ennea	what file(s) is/are being edited by the kde menu editor?
2022-09-22 17:35:35	Psi-Jack[m]	Time to start learning.
2022-09-22 17:35:38	luigibu	the mook server says.. to be starte with "npm run server"
2022-09-22 17:35:53	MrElendig	you can tell it what port to run on
2022-09-22 17:35:54	Psi-Jack[m]	Ennea: ~/.local/share/applications/*.desktop
2022-09-22 17:36:18	Ennea	really, just the .desktop files in there? huh..
2022-09-22 17:36:30	BrainDamage	npm run is usually a bad way to start things
2022-09-22 17:36:33	MrElendig	if you are starting it from your test directly just add .listen(80443) or whatever
2022-09-22 17:36:37	BrainDamage	it's just a shitty wrapper around nodejs
2022-09-22 17:36:59	Psi-Jack[m]	Ennea: Well, they may be copied from /usr/share/applications, but modifications are saved in your own local user-owned space.
2022-09-22 17:37:04	MrElendig	its explained in teh mookserver docs
2022-09-22 17:37:20	Ennea	BrainDamage, to be fair, npm is often used as a task runner when developing frontend things
2022-09-22 17:38:15	BrainDamage	Ennea: thing is, for system packages it's nearly universally a bad way, it tries to update things on read-only paths, it's a level of indirection and extra deps that are unnecessary, etc etc
2022-09-22 17:38:37	jelle	for development however, it's fine
2022-09-22 17:38:50	Ennea	that does make sense, yea
2022-09-22 17:39:16	Ennea	Psi-Jack[m], that'd imply i could change the menu by adding a .desktop file to ~/.local/share/applications without using kde's menu editor, though
2022-09-22 17:39:19	Ennea	which doesn't seem to be the case
2022-09-22 17:39:39	Psi-Jack[m]	Ennea: You can, exactly.
2022-09-22 17:39:51	Ennea	doesn't work though
2022-09-22 17:39:55	astralc	Ennea: this what wine do
2022-09-22 17:40:17	Psi-Jack[m]	Ennea: "doesn't work" is a baseless useless statement by itself. Without context and details surrounding what has been done. :)
2022-09-22 17:40:19	astralc	maybe your .desktop malformed?
2022-09-22 17:40:31	astralc	or x-hide type properties
2022-09-22 17:40:45	Ennea	astralc, wine _also_ creates .menu entries in ~/.config/menus/applications-merged, which seem to be the actual entries displayed in kde's menu
2022-09-22 17:41:06	Ennea	touching the .desktop entries wine creates in ~/.local/share/applications does nothing to the entries in kde's menu
2022-09-22 17:41:12	Psi-Jack	.menu is another thing entirely, which are different.
2022-09-22 17:41:31	Ennea	the .menu files in applications-merged are literally the ones kde displays in its menu, though
2022-09-22 17:41:36	Psi-Jack	Even XFCE /can/ use .menu files, but .menu files just points to a bunch of .desktop files.
2022-09-22 17:45:13	Ennea	hm, kmenuedit does create .desktop files, though...
2022-09-22 17:45:25	Ennea	astralc, might be that the other one i got is malformed in KDE's eyes
2022-09-22 17:46:43	Psi-Jack	heh
2022-09-22 17:46:46	Ennea	that .desktop file can't be all, though. it doesn't include a category
2022-09-22 17:46:47	luigibu	thanks MrElendig, i manage to make it work with authbind
2022-09-22 17:46:55	Psi-Jack	Yeah, KDE doesn't give a damn about .menu files, in general.
2022-09-22 17:47:05	Ennea	i've made the opposite experience
2022-09-22 17:47:53	MrElendig	luigibu: seriously, just don't run it on =<1024
2022-09-22 17:48:00	Psi-Jack	.menu files are specifically used by things that use them, like you CAN use them to specifically have an isolated menu of just entries within a .menu file, which I have done in an example macOS-like drop-down menu on XFCE's application launcher.
2022-09-22 17:48:46	⚡ 	Psi-Jack[m] uploaded an image: (1286KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/GrmCvvSdpxIYbCubXIOXRWyp/xfce-like-macos.png >
2022-09-22 17:48:48	Psi-Jack	Ennea: See screenshot ^
2022-09-22 17:49:04	Psi-Jack	In top-left is a XFCE launcher using specified .menu file.
2022-09-22 17:51:01	luigibu	MrElendig: but is a repo from my company, cant change how this is set.. if i could do something locally.. whould be nice.. but i dont have much experience 
2022-09-22 17:52:04	jelle	luigibu: ask the developer to fix it :)
2022-09-22 17:52:41	Nitrousoxide	Does anyone know why tpm2_tools would be insisting on using a different port than I'm telling it to? I'm running "tpm2 gettime -T mssim:host=localhost,port=2321" and it's erroring back something to do with port 2322 https://termbin.com/5l7v
2022-09-22 17:53:59	luigibu	jelle: if you see the code.. you will cry
2022-09-22 17:54:03	luigibu	:p
2022-09-22 17:54:17	Ennea	Psi-Jack, neither the position of the entry nor the category are specified in the .desktop file generated by kmenuedit
2022-09-22 17:54:19	Ennea	so where are those?
2022-09-22 17:55:21	Psi-Jack	Ennea: Category very much is. 
2022-09-22 17:55:30	Ennea	i know it _can_ be, but you're not listening
2022-09-22 17:55:37	Ennea	i said it's not in the .desktop file generated by kmenuedit
2022-09-22 17:55:45	Psi-Jack	I'm listening, you're just not providing much to go on.
2022-09-22 17:56:08	Psi-Jack	Ennea: Is it an entry modifying a global entry?
2022-09-22 17:56:47	Ennea	nah, i'm creating a new entry. custom. and kmenuedit is creating a .desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications
2022-09-22 17:57:01	Psi-Jack	Okay? 
2022-09-22 17:57:02	Ennea	but it must be doing something else (or building a cache), because that .desktop file clearly cannot be enough
2022-09-22 17:57:15	Psi-Jack	That /is/ enough.
2022-09-22 17:57:31	Ennea	i just told you there's no category in that .desktop file
2022-09-22 17:58:42	Ennea	in fact, copying that .desktop file, then removing the entry via kmenuedit, then restoring that same .desktop file does not put it back in the menu
2022-09-22 17:59:01	Ennea	it can still be found by the search in the menu (i'd expect that much), but it's in none of the categories
2022-09-22 17:59:10	Ennea	hence, my original question: which file(s) does kmenuedit touch?
2022-09-22 17:59:37	Psi-Jack	The same file(s) Menu Libre would touch, the .desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications
2022-09-22 17:59:38	Psi-Jack	heh
2022-09-22 17:59:45	Psi-Jack	That is the exact correct answer.
2022-09-22 18:00:28	Ennea	but i've already confirmed it's not the full answer 🤔
2022-09-22 18:00:34	Psi-Jack	Yet, it is. 🙂
2022-09-22 18:01:08	Ennea	you seem to be purposefully ignoring things i've said. thanks for trying to help, though
2022-09-22 18:01:58	Psi-Jack	I'm really not though. I'm just giving you the facts.
2022-09-22 18:03:07	Ennea	but i told you, the .desktop files generated by kmenuedit have no data for the category or for the position in the submenu. so where are those two stored?
2022-09-22 18:06:04	Rayyan	hello, i've made a timer with systemd with Persistent=true but it doesn't seem to trigger even when the last time was missed
2022-09-22 18:06:45	BrainDamage	show the timer
2022-09-22 18:07:21	Rayyan	sorry, my bad
2022-09-22 18:07:26	Rayyan	journalctl shows that it did run
2022-09-22 18:07:38	Rayyan	but it seems to be running before network is up
2022-09-22 18:08:28	Rayyan	anyway to make the service triggered by the timer wait for network connectivity?
2022-09-22 18:09:06	astralc	Ennea: share the desktop file maybe?
2022-09-22 18:09:25	Psi-Jack	astralc: That's a great idea. 🙂
2022-09-22 18:09:44	Ennea	!paste
2022-09-22 18:09:44	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-09-22 18:10:13	Ennea	https://bpa.st/OTRA
2022-09-22 18:10:13	phrik	Title: View paste OTRA (at bpa.st)
2022-09-22 18:10:24	Psi-Jack	Ennea: I don't know all of KDE's internals, but if there's a position aspect, it's likely kde-specific, because that's not handled by anything except potentially a .menu file, which KDE may be using for that specifically.
2022-09-22 18:10:30	Ennea	mind you, that's the one i got, not the one generated by kmenuedit
2022-09-22 18:10:48	rcf	Ennea: the groupings are in .config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu 
2022-09-22 18:10:59	Ennea	Psi-Jack, i'm sure it's kde specific. that's why i want to figure out where that info is ;)
2022-09-22 18:11:22	Ennea	rcf, ahhh, excellent
2022-09-22 18:11:23	Ennea	thank you!
2022-09-22 18:11:23	Psi-Jack	Yeah, that would likely be in ~/.config/menus/ 
2022-09-22 18:11:55	rcf	Ennea: it's not KDE specific, see https://specifications.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html
2022-09-22 18:11:56	phrik	Title: Desktop Menu Specification (at specifications.freedesktop.org)
2022-09-22 18:11:58	Psi-Jack	That's a menu-spec from freedesktop (same that made .desktop file spec)
2022-09-22 18:12:51	rcf	Ennea: for reference, see the last section in https://docs.kde.org/stable5/en/kmenuedit/kmenuedit/introduction.html
2022-09-22 18:12:52	phrik	Title: Chapter 1. Introduction (at docs.kde.org)
2022-09-22 18:13:26	Ennea	how do i never find those kde docs googling
2022-09-22 18:13:41	Ennea	i only found a documentation for kmenuedit in pdf format, which is also very.. barebones
2022-09-22 18:14:03	Ennea	oh, it actually does have that section, though...
2022-09-22 18:14:04	Psi-Jack	heh
2022-09-22 18:14:54	rcf	Here it is the first result for 'kmenuedit'. But I'll grant that Google's terrible 'personalized' results are probably skewing things horribly 
2022-09-22 18:15:54	Psi-Jack	Yeah, google is learns you.
2022-09-22 18:16:01	Ennea	been using kagi for a while now, actually
2022-09-22 18:16:20	Ennea	but yea, that is the first result for kmenuedit. probably should've gone with that instead of "kde menu editor documentation" or something :)
2022-09-22 18:17:38	Psi-Jack	I use google, and will always use google.
2022-09-22 18:18:37	Psi-Jack	The ONE thing I wish I could tune about google is showing me fucking reddit links...
2022-09-22 18:19:18	losth1ghway	hey there. i just tried to add a kernel param to grub and i also deleted linux-rt since i wasn't using it anymore. i ran grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg -- but after that the system wouldn't boot to grub anymore (straight to bios). i just made a live usb and used arch-chroot to redo the mkconfig without the kernel param... however after making the new grub.cfg the system still wont boot.
2022-09-22 18:19:18	losth1ghway	what's the best way to troubleshoot this?
2022-09-22 18:19:39	rcf	lsrtl: reinstall grub, the config format changed 
2022-09-22 18:19:45	losth1ghway	ahhh
2022-09-22 18:19:49	rcf	...
2022-09-22 18:19:51	rcf	!tabfail 
2022-09-22 18:19:53	phrik	 0  days since the last tab failure. Completion safety is our union goal!
2022-09-22 18:20:12	losth1ghway	so i can just chroot in and reinstall?
2022-09-22 18:20:43	Psi-Jack	Yes
2022-09-22 18:20:49	losth1ghway	thanks
2022-09-22 18:21:02	losth1ghway	will try that kernel param again too, since that probably wasn't the issue ;)
2022-09-22 18:21:18	rcf	I mean it could be 
2022-09-22 18:21:40	rcf	But the grub issue was a big issue recently so that's what I'd consider first 
2022-09-22 18:21:42	astralc	it could be other issue
2022-09-22 18:21:48	losth1ghway	ok cool
2022-09-22 18:22:14	rcf	losth1ghway: to be clear: you need to re-run grub-install, not just reinstall the grub package 
2022-09-22 18:31:57	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Grub bootloader upgrade and configuration incompatibilities (at archlinux.org)
2022-09-22 18:34:12	astralc	need phrik command like !grubfail - for all the time grub break
2022-09-22 18:35:05	DeepDayze	lol we do
2022-09-22 18:35:23	DeepDayze	when grub is so hosed it becomes an epic fail
2022-09-22 18:38:42	BrainDamage	grub isn't hosed at all, it's literally people using the update function wrong
2022-09-22 18:39:30	BrainDamage	the line should be summed up as "don't forget to run grub install if you use mkconfig, or you edit the file yourself adding that param"
2022-09-22 18:40:11	BrainDamage	but it turns out that many arch derivatives, many online "guides", etc only do the former
2022-09-22 18:41:37	another|	h4rd3n3d_: you mean a bootloader other than grub?
2022-09-22 18:41:43	cdown	"non-grub unlock"? encryption has nothing to do with grub
2022-09-22 18:41:53	cdown	if you want to unlock a luks volume, use cryptsetup
2022-09-22 18:42:35	roxyist	exit
2022-09-22 18:42:36	another|	h4rd3n3d_: don't know of any. let me know if you find something
2022-09-22 18:43:09	another|	cdown: how do you unlock /boot then?
2022-09-22 18:44:54	cdown	plenty of ways. for example, i do it with linuxboot
2022-09-22 18:46:49	losth1ghway	thanks for the help. system back to normal, kernel param working fine :)
2022-09-22 18:54:13	another|	cdown: for $dayjob ?
2022-09-22 18:55:38	MrElendig	h4rd3n3d_: using the linux kernel as the bootloader
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2022-09-22 19:02:46	phrik	Title: LinuxBoot (at www.linuxboot.org)
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2022-09-22 19:10:34	artefact	that doesn't sound like a bootloader. more like a linux based efi firmware that boots whatever. you can boot efistub on any efi mobo too
2022-09-22 19:10:52	artefact	and it can do anything your system can do since you can sideload the initrd
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2022-09-22 19:19:31	lmat	I'm having trouble with libreoffice: graphs don't show in color: https://ask.libreoffice.org/uploads/asklibo/original/3X/f/c/fc0d54deb1de00e5a3db2d5e9c965039e7ccbf20.png . Someone suggested I install libreoffice from https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download-libreoffice/ to rule out any distribution-specific problems. Should I do RPM or DEB install?
2022-09-22 19:19:35	phrik	Title: Download LibreOffice | LibreOffice - Free Office Suite - Based on OpenOffice - Compatible with Microsoft (at www.libreoffice.org)
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2022-09-22 19:20:42	lmat	It would be really cool if there was a "portable" version so uninstallation is as simple as rm -r libreoffice;, but it looks like only Microsoft Windows gets that kind of consideration https://www.libreoffice.org/download/portable-versions
2022-09-22 19:20:46	phrik	Title: Portable versions | LibreOffice - Free Office Suite - Based on OpenOffice - Compatible with Microsoft (at www.libreoffice.org)
2022-09-22 19:21:23	petronny	You may want to try libreoffice-dev-bin on AUR.
2022-09-22 19:21:27	astralc	lmat: none, arch is neither deb nor rmp
2022-09-22 19:21:38	astralc	are you using -still or -fresh?
2022-09-22 19:22:01	petronny	but i'm not sure if it works, never used myself
2022-09-22 19:23:05	lmat	astralc: I've tried both.
2022-09-22 19:23:15	lmat	astralc: There's no way to use .deb nor .rpm packages on archlinux?
2022-09-22 19:23:39	Psi-Jack	lmat: YOu should not.
2022-09-22 19:23:47	Warepire	Don't run foreign binaries on Arch, you will have a bad time with it.
2022-09-22 19:23:58	Warepire	(this goes for all distros really)
2022-09-22 19:24:29	lmat	I see. You understand their concern: they don't want to waste their time debugging distribution-specific problems ^_^
2022-09-22 19:24:57	Warepire	So they tell you "debian/ubuntu or Fedora, or bust"?
2022-09-22 19:25:01	Psi-Jack	lmat: No, said foreign packages may, and likely will not be ABI compatible.
2022-09-22 19:25:06	Psi-Jack	And will give you issues, guaranteed.
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2022-09-22 19:26:50	lmat	Warepire: Not exactly.
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2022-09-22 19:27:06	lmat	I assume you all don't have trouble with this? You have colors in your charts?
2022-09-22 19:27:52	Warepire	lmat: If their prebuilts are only .deb and .rpm and that is what they support, then that is what they are telling you in nicer words.
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2022-09-22 19:47:51	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-09-22 19:46:02	gehidore	I see em now, look right order to me
2022-09-22 19:47:53	petronny	It's still twisted in my view of the matrix room.
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2022-09-22 19:48:22	petronny	but never mind, now I know they're only delayed.
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2022-09-22 19:51:04	artefact	monotonicity is overrated
2022-09-22 19:51:04	pulec	is there any ETA for multilib to 'die'? e.g. when I won't need to enable multilib repo for steam?
2022-09-22 19:51:04	pulec	can't there be just some layer for old 32bit stuff?
2022-09-22 19:51:04	Betal	probably related with wine upstream removing the needed of 32bit
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2022-09-22 20:09:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-09-22 20:09:59	pulec	jdarnley: I meant exacpt gpu model
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2022-09-22 20:10:06	jdarnley	1050Ti
2022-09-22 20:10:07	pulec	lspci | grep VGA
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2022-09-22 20:33:55	pulec	that's great game
2022-09-22 20:34:02	pulec	maybe there are hd remasters
2022-09-22 20:34:07	pulec	but they weren't so good afaik
2022-09-22 20:34:17	pulec	but maybe it was only for 2 and 3
2022-09-22 20:34:26	pulec	zan: play Desperados 3 instead
2022-09-22 20:34:53	pulec	or https://store.steampowered.com/app/418240/Shadow_Tactics_Blades_of_the_Shogun/
2022-09-22 20:34:54	phrik	Title: Save 90% on Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun on Steam (at store.steampowered.com)
2022-09-22 20:35:20	zan	pulec: played through it, awesome game:)
2022-09-22 20:36:16	jdarnley	I recommend it too.
2022-09-22 20:36:48	Psi-Jack	Huh. Nuice. 🙂
2022-09-22 20:37:57	urnenheit	is it possible to have multiple kernels installed at the same time in arch linux?
2022-09-22 20:38:03	jdarnley	Yes
2022-09-22 20:38:16	gehidore	    it is
2022-09-22 20:38:48	urnenheit	does pacman automatically remove older kernels when updating?
2022-09-22 20:38:53	pulec	what boot loader are you using?
2022-09-22 20:39:11	urnenheit	grub
2022-09-22 20:39:17	urnenheit	(also i'm not on arch linux)
2022-09-22 20:39:24	bluetail	why do u ask here then lol
2022-09-22 20:39:29	pulec	it upgrades them yes, but you can always install older ones in /var/cache/pacman/pkg
2022-09-22 20:39:41	pulec	urnenheit: yeah, go to #manjaro or whatever
2022-09-22 20:39:43	MrElendig	urnenheit: arch doesn't keep multiple versions of the same package
2022-09-22 20:39:45	urnenheit	bluetail: because i'm considering installing arch on a second laptop i have
2022-09-22 20:39:54	urnenheit	pulec: i don't use manjaro
2022-09-22 20:40:07	MrElendig	urnenheit: so you won't end up with 200 kernel-* packages 
2022-09-22 20:40:18	jdarnley	New versions are installed *over* existing versions, but it is simple to have plain and lts installed at the same time.
2022-09-22 20:40:54	urnenheit	ah, i see
2022-09-22 20:41:03	urnenheit	is this documented on the wiki somewhere?
2022-09-22 20:41:27	jdarnley	What part in particular?
2022-09-22 20:41:32	urnenheit	i am asking this because on void, xbps doesn't remove older kernels when updating, i have to manually remove them using a utility called vkpurge 
2022-09-22 20:41:51	urnenheit	jdarnley: having multiple kernels installed at the same time
2022-09-22 20:42:34	jdarnley	I don't know of an explicit place but look at the relevant boot loader page
2022-09-22 20:43:32	urnenheit	 will running `pacman -S linux-lts` just install linux-lts alongside linux without removing linux? 
2022-09-22 20:44:08	jdarnley	Yes
2022-09-22 20:44:41	urnenheit	oh great :)
2022-09-22 20:45:08	urnenheit	unrel, but regarding https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#LUKS2, i was under the impression that the latest version of grub supports luks2
2022-09-22 20:45:10	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-22 20:46:20	jdarnley	The wiki could be outdated but I see the linked bug is still open
2022-09-22 20:48:26	Warepire	urnenheit: This thread may be relevant: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=268460
2022-09-22 20:48:26	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] New install with LUKS2 drops to shell with Grub / Installation / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2022-09-22 21:56:32	bluetail	I see
2022-09-22 21:56:48	bluetail	thats actually a cool trick
2022-09-22 21:57:10	infandum	Yeah, works very nicely with my old laptop
2022-09-22 21:57:16	infandum	I can't go back haha
2022-09-22 21:57:21	bluetail	 I'm actually out of DisplayPort ports and thinking to use one over usb c
2022-09-22 21:57:24	bluetail	does probably work
2022-09-22 21:57:44	damjan	there's also MST (daisy chaining display-port), I guess it should work under Linux these days
2022-09-22 21:58:10	infandum	I should mention that everything works from the dock to the laptop: mouse, keyboard, internet, etc, just not the monitor
2022-09-22 21:58:27	bluetail	damjan unless you use gaming monitors that want 240hz :D
2022-09-22 21:58:47	damjan	infandum: that's just a usb hub working :)
2022-09-22 21:58:49	bluetail	does it work somewhere else?
2022-09-22 21:59:15	Gagis	I'd check uefi bios settings first anyways
2022-09-22 22:00:28	bluetail	thunderbolt is hot
2022-09-22 22:00:33	bluetail	dont burn your fingers :D
2022-09-22 22:00:40	bluetail	(if you had it)
2022-09-22 22:00:56	bluetail	amd has not tb in general?
2022-09-22 22:01:52	infandum	no, thunderbolt is proprietary intel
2022-09-22 22:02:09	infandum	Yeah, didn't check uefi settings, will do
2022-09-22 22:02:11	infandum	thanks!
2022-09-22 22:02:12	bluetail	wait but what does apple use
2022-09-22 22:02:27	bluetail	dont their m1 arm machines use thunderbolt?
2022-09-22 22:02:54	infandum	I don't think so
2022-09-22 22:03:07	infandum	mac used to use thunderbolt, but the new ones don't (I think)
2022-09-22 22:03:20	infandum	without intel processors, don't know how they could
2022-09-22 22:04:06	topcat001	h4rd3n3d_: Is resolve_btfids actually present in the tools directory?
2022-09-22 22:09:22	infandum	damjan: Looks like the dock does support alt mode: "Compatible with USB Type-C Thunderbolt systems and USB Type-C systems with DisplayPort Alt Mode"
2022-09-22 22:10:02	daffy1234	I'm having an issue with discord. Embedded videos (uploaded files, youtube, twitter, etc) either dont play at all, or play without audio. And when they do play, pausing or seeking will make it stop and unable to resume. This is only an issue on my machine, as my other arch linux machines dont have this issue, and neither does my boyfriend also
2022-09-22 22:10:03	daffy1234	running arch linux
2022-09-22 22:10:03	infandum	z13 also supports alt mode
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2022-09-22 22:35:44	topcat001	I have a testuser login for this purpose.
2022-09-22 22:39:30	daffy1234	nope, still happens on a new user, even after deleting the .config/discord folder again, and i couldnt find any relevant files in .local or .cache
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2022-09-22 22:48:31	tent405	when I move between shells as the same user (zsh -> sh for example) what is the best way to start with a completely fresh environment?
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2022-09-23 00:28:08	ednash	Does arch installation need any periodic maintenance? I.e. does it accumulate bloat that affect usability in any significant way after a year of using it?
2022-09-23 00:28:27	ednash	As a desktop OS
2022-09-23 00:29:11	Namarrgon	yes, you have to stay on top of things. it will explode if left unattended too long.
2022-09-23 00:31:57	ednash	Found this, all seems very intuitive actually, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/system_maintenance
2022-09-23 00:31:58	phrik	Title: System maintenance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-23 00:32:24	ednash	except `journalctl -p 3 -b` is open ended probably as intended
2022-09-23 00:33:44	michelesr[m]	here we go... nvidia driver breaks again ... what a joy when you just want to play some games ... 
2022-09-23 00:34:40	bluetail	some people consider using multiple operating systems
2022-09-23 00:35:07	bluetail	isnt arch mostly bleeding edge anyways and nvidia not-so-well supported like AMD ? 
2022-09-23 00:35:40	BrainDamage	bleeding edge is mostly a meaningless word, arch packs latest stable release unless there's a reason not to
2022-09-23 00:35:56	michelesr[m]	TBH it's been quite stable 
2022-09-23 00:36:06	bluetail	What did change?
2022-09-23 00:36:09	michelesr[m]	and one of the first distro where you could actually use prime offload on sway 
2022-09-23 00:36:16	ednash	i haven't had nvidia break on me yet
2022-09-23 00:36:24	bluetail	whats prime offload?
2022-09-23 00:36:44	michelesr[m]	bluetail: it's quite recent, probably driver or kernel version 
2022-09-23 00:37:00	michelesr[m]	I should probably try with LTS kernel 
2022-09-23 00:37:23	bluetail	oh... prime... hybrid graphics I see
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2022-09-23 00:56:41	michelesr[m]	the problem is that nvidia must be compiled against the kernel, so you need dkms, the standard approach on arch instead is to ship the nvidia package everytime the kernel is updated... so if you rollback you rollback both 
2022-09-23 00:57:02	michelesr[m]	but if you want to compile your own kernel I think you have to use nvidia-dkms
2022-09-23 01:20:59	topcat001	It is your choice; if you want dkms, use dkms.
2022-09-23 01:26:53	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-09-23 04:09:53	tent405	ok, the question is now, how do i get root to be able to play sound out of a terminal, without an ALSA unable to open slave error, while logged in as my regular user
2022-09-23 04:10:06	Psi-Jack	X/Y problem. No.
2022-09-23 04:10:25	mpan	No, it is not an X/Y problem. Stop making noise.
2022-09-23 04:10:38	Psi-Jack	The only way to do this would be to watch logs, or journal.
2022-09-23 04:10:45	Psi-Jack	As your own user.
2022-09-23 04:11:20	mpan	tent405: will `sudo -u YOURUSER` work? I do not remember, but try it and see.
2022-09-23 04:11:28	⚡ 	Psi-Jack rolls his eyes.
2022-09-23 04:11:45	Psi-Jack	Blind leading blind is even worse. 😛
2022-09-23 04:12:19	tent405	naw i tried that. how about i just run the output of journalctl -ef through a TTS as my local user /s (honestly I'll just filter journal and trigger on that)
2022-09-23 04:13:01	Psi-Jack	That's the only reasonable way, but still pretty hacky and meh.
2022-09-23 04:15:17	kevr	!ix
2022-09-23 04:15:18	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-09-23 04:15:18	Psi-Jack	Though you can technically filter directly in journal. 
2022-09-23 04:16:25	tent405	what does |& do?
2022-09-23 04:17:28	Psi-Jack	tent405: man bash, /\|\&
2022-09-23 04:18:07	Psi-Jack	Heh, though /\|& suffices, though. 🙂
2022-09-23 04:18:46	mpan	tent405: pipes both output streams to another process. Though that wasn’t an answer to you: kevr just used the bot to get some command.
2022-09-23 04:21:23	tent405	I always forget the shorthand operator for `2>&1 >` 
2022-09-23 04:28:20	kevr	!ix
2022-09-23 04:28:21	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
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2022-09-23 07:26:29	ganna	how to remove title bar i3wm/+alacritty  here the image   https://imgur.com/a/6OrGP3F
2022-09-23 07:26:29	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2022-09-23 07:26:29	ganna	never midn fix it. 
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2022-09-23 07:43:33	Psi-Jack	There, now I got both my Canad and US VPN servers setup for my host instances. heh. Fun fun. 
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2022-09-23 08:02:52	thunfisch	https://paste.xinu.at/WlP/ okay, one more detail: i do have a "pro audio" profile available that seems to be duplex, but using that I'm unable to get any mic level into applications, which is required for conferencing. this is 100% not a hardware issue though ;) (m4 has lcd for level monitoring, there's clearly input level on the device).
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2022-09-23 18:18:12	zan	hibernation is for bears anyway
2022-09-23 18:23:03	zan	TIL :D
2022-09-23 18:23:21	charlie5	h4rd3n3d: thanks for the info ... i'm using xfce4 and the standard 5.19.10-arch1-1 kernel ... i'll try suspend tonight and see how it goes
2022-09-23 18:25:47	charlie5	TIL ? ... not seen that one b4 ... total inebriated laughter ? ... :)
2022-09-23 18:26:21	charlie5	h4rd3n3d: will do
2022-09-23 18:26:49	charlie5	ah :)
2022-09-23 18:35:36	bea	!paste
2022-09-23 18:35:37	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-09-23 19:42:12	Tazy	Okay how badly is my system broken if pacman goes , libexpat.so.1 is missing? 
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2022-09-23 19:43:47	MrElendig	Tazy: boot install image, pacman --root -Syu whatever
2022-09-23 19:44:05	Tazy	T_T that bad?
2022-09-23 19:44:16	MrElendig	did you use pacman -Rd or -Sd?
2022-09-23 19:44:22	Tazy	-Rd 
2022-09-23 19:44:27	Tazy	had a conflict
2022-09-23 19:44:30	MrElendig	this is why you should never do this
2022-09-23 19:44:39	Tazy	yep but its my testing machine 
2022-09-23 19:44:50	Tazy	complaining about lib32 stuff
2022-09-23 19:46:24	MrElendig	if tar still works then you can extract the package manually instead and then clean up later
2022-09-23 19:46:30	MrElendig	alternativley, there is pacman-static
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2022-09-23 19:46:51	Tazy	I got the lib loaded agian 
2022-09-23 19:46:53	Tazy	again * 
2022-09-23 19:46:53	MrElendig	that lib32 error was fixable without breaking your system 
2022-09-23 19:47:11	Tazy	but I can't recall what the overrite flag is 
2022-09-23 19:47:58	MrElendig	you were probably using testing without multilib-testing, or the other way around
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2022-09-23 19:49:08	Tazy	yep missing the multilib-testing 
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2022-09-23 20:13:47	Betal	in thunar, acessing a smb share by smb://.... I can't create files in the root directory, any idea? I can create directories. Dolphin can create files
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2022-09-23 20:16:04	MrElendig	read logs
2022-09-23 20:16:25	MrElendig	and run thunar from a terminal with debug enabled
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2022-09-23 20:20:47	Dogdroid	I love the update system on arch linux. Pacman or Yay -Syu and that's it. 
2022-09-23 20:21:07	MrElendig	!give Dogdroid pacnew
2022-09-23 20:21:09	phrik	Dogdroid: Take care of your .pacnew and .pacsave files! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Pacnew_and_Pacsave
2022-09-23 20:21:11	Namarrgon	that is usually not it, then the aftercare starts
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2022-09-23 20:21:25	MrElendig	and restarting service as needed etc
2022-09-23 20:21:49	MrElendig	that is one thing I miss from dnf, it can tell you what should be restarted
2022-09-23 20:22:38	Dogdroid	I guess your right. But it seems very nice compared to other distros.
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2022-09-23 20:27:18	BrainDamage	MrElendig:  checkservices from archlinux-contrib?
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2022-09-23 20:34:26	keir	feels like something that should be in pacman-contrib instead
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2022-09-23 20:37:06	mags	when do sysusers get added (via systemd-sysusers) in the install process? does pacman do it? I'm looking at a PKGBUILD and Makefile, systemd-sysusers never gets called from them
2022-09-23 20:37:44	MrElendig	mags: package hooks
2022-09-23 20:37:45	Namarrgon	there's a libalpm hook
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2022-09-23 20:39:03	mags	so if I manually add a file to /uer/lib/sysusers.d/, I would call `systemd-sysusers` to add that info to /etc/passwd?
2022-09-23 20:39:25	mags	/uer/usr/
2022-09-23 20:39:32	Namarrgon	you could but why would you do that?
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2022-09-23 20:39:56	mags	I probably wouldn't, just wondering how it all works
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2022-09-23 20:47:32	gaku	mags: there's the location in /etc/sysusers.d as well for "usage by administrators"
2022-09-23 20:47:53	gaku	stuff in /usr is typically at pacman's discretion
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2022-09-24 12:25:13	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-09-24 12:25:13	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1436 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1435 normals)
2022-09-24 12:22:30	Lartza	michelesr[m], But you know WHAT is happening that should give you some search terms to try
2022-09-24 12:22:42	Lartza	You only need to look at the changelog
2022-09-24 12:22:58	michelesr[m]	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/75986?project=1
2022-09-24 12:22:59	phrik	Title: FS#75986 : Nvidia driver freezing since linux 5.19.9 (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-09-24 12:23:09	michelesr[m]	the problem is with nvidia, which is not even in the kernel source tree
2022-09-24 12:23:20	michelesr[m]	so I need everytime to dkms it and see if it works or not 
2022-09-24 12:23:45	lionkor	Warepire: I see, yeah. I'll keep looking.
2022-09-24 12:24:13	michelesr[m]	I've got a stacktrace, and I tried at looking at git diffs of the relevant files containing the methods used by the driver, but didn't find much yet :-) 
2022-09-24 12:24:37	michelesr[m]	if make comes in my help and avoid me rebuilding the bloody whole thing all the time maybe it won't be that painful 
2022-09-24 12:24:52	Lartza	And are you saying 5.19.10 is broken too?
2022-09-24 12:24:59	michelesr[m]	yes
2022-09-24 12:25:13	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-09-24 12:25:19	Lartza	.11?
2022-09-24 12:25:30	michelesr[m]	haven't tried that yet
2022-09-24 12:26:05	michelesr[m]	there's also a new nvidia driver 
2022-09-24 12:26:14	michelesr[m]	tried that against 5.19.8 and it works 
2022-09-24 12:26:26	michelesr[m]	it breaks with the kernel from the official "linux" package in arch
2022-09-24 12:26:46	michelesr[m]	but haven't tried .11 yet TBH 
2022-09-24 12:27:18	Lartza	.11 fixes one i915 regression but I guess that shouldn't even be used by your system, not sure
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2022-09-24 12:28:46	Lartza	Though not a regression in .9 so nevermind
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2022-09-24 12:29:29	michelesr[m]	I have i915 
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2022-09-24 12:29:42	michelesr[m]	it's an optimus laptop 
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2022-09-24 12:30:10	Lartza	I thought i915 was an old driver
2022-09-24 12:30:42	michelesr[m]	I don't know if it's old, but I have it loaded right now so not old enough for me :-) 
2022-09-24 12:31:45	lionkor	Warepire: it also crashes valgrind when i try to investigate with that, lol
2022-09-24 12:32:26	lionkor	valgrind just goes. "valgrind: the 'impossible' happened:   Killed by fatal signal"
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2022-09-24 12:35:26	Ennea	michelesr[m], the 7 steps isn't optimistic, but rather realistic. you're bisecting, and with 98 options left, you're in the "bucket" between 64 and 128. hence the 7 steps, since 2^7 is 128
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2022-09-24 12:37:24	michelesr[m]	Yep
2022-09-24 12:37:57	michelesr[m]	at least the 2nd build was quicker than the 1st 
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2022-09-24 13:15:17	jelle	Ennea: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Plasma-5.26-More-Bug-Fixes
2022-09-24 13:15:18	phrik	Title: A Lot Of Bug Fixing - Including For Wayland - Heading Into KDE Plasma 5.26 - Phoronix (at www.phoronix.com)
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2022-09-24 13:16:42	Ennea	jelle, oh hey. thanks for linking that, and also thank you for remembering :)
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2022-09-24 13:17:31	Ennea	looks like i'll need to spend some time testing wayland soon ;)
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2022-09-24 13:50:26	linux_dream	hello archers, I have a problem. I updated my system, and this broke m64py-git.  So, since it`s an AUR git version, I was thinking to reinstall that package with yay, as this should redownload, and therefore put up to date, m64py-git
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2022-09-24 13:50:51	linux_dream	[1:48:31 PM] <linux_dream> however trying to do this yields ==> ERROR: Failure while downloading mupen64plus-ui-python git repo
2022-09-24 13:50:52	linux_dream	[1:49:14 PM] <linux_dream> it gets stuck at: Cloning into bare repository '/home/isaac/.cache/yay/m64py-git/mupen64plus-ui-python'...
2022-09-24 13:51:13	linux_dream	it`s been 3 or 4 days I try a few times per day to install that package with yay.  always get the same error
2022-09-24 13:52:33	astralc	did you tried without yay?
2022-09-24 13:52:45	linux_dream	nope
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2022-09-24 13:53:54	Scimmia	github has disabled git:// access. You need to update the source url
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2022-09-24 13:55:12	linux_dream	of some PKG fileÉ
2022-09-24 13:55:15	linux_dream	?
2022-09-24 13:55:30	astralc	edit the PKGBUILD
2022-09-24 13:55:34	astralc	before building
2022-09-24 13:55:52	linux_dream	thx lemme try to find it
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2022-09-24 13:56:46	Warepire	The process is much easier when using makepkg.
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2022-09-24 13:58:07	Ennea	strictly out of curiosity, what terminal emulator is everybody using? trying to decide/see if there are any better options
2022-09-24 13:58:13	linux_dream	so i replace the git:// by www.  ?
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2022-09-24 13:58:46	astralc	no, by https://
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2022-09-24 13:59:03	Ennea	i thought i'd just go with kitty (sounded neat), but have already hit two things that i dislike: there's no option to have bold text automatically use the bright colors (the author seems very adamant to die on that hill), and its TERM variable is non-standard, requiring a convenience script for ssh
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2022-09-24 14:00:14	uuidNuniq	Ennea: you have something like Alacrity
2022-09-24 14:00:24	uuidNuniq	*Alacritty
2022-09-24 14:00:32	linux_dream	==> Extracting sources...
2022-09-24 14:00:32	linux_dream	==> Starting pkgver()...
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2022-09-24 14:00:51	linux_dream	then /home/isaac/.cache/yay/m64py-git/PKGBUILD: line 17: cd: /home/isaac/.cache/yay/m64py-git/src/mupen64plus-ui-python: Not a directory
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2022-09-24 14:01:15	Ennea	uuidNuniq, yea, i know of alacritty. had used it on windows once before, but it was a bit funky then. will definitely check it out once more. i've also installed wezterm, but it has weirdly bad font rendering for some reason
2022-09-24 14:01:17	linux_dream	I did the makepkg -ics command to build the package
2022-09-24 14:01:18	uuidNuniq	linux_dream: find a online paste service please.
2022-09-24 14:01:49	uuidNuniq	linux_dream: fix your cd path, you probably used a wrong varaible
2022-09-24 14:01:51	linux_dream	https://bpa.st/C5HQ
2022-09-24 14:01:52	phrik	Title: View paste C5HQ (at bpa.st)
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2022-09-24 14:02:14	linux_dream	a wrong variable? I didn't change anything else in the PKGBUILD file
2022-09-24 14:02:16	nyuszika7h	I tried kitty and alacritty but neither of them can handle wide emoji well
2022-09-24 14:02:32	linux_dream	I just changed the git:// by https://
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2022-09-24 14:02:39	uuidNuniq	linux_dream: can you paste the PKGBUILD file?
2022-09-24 14:02:43	linux_dream	sure
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2022-09-24 14:03:09	linux_dream	there it is uuidNuniq https://bpa.st/2FHA
2022-09-24 14:03:09	phrik	Title: View paste 2FHA (at bpa.st)
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2022-09-24 14:03:11	Scimmia	linux_dream: because that change isn't right
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2022-09-24 14:03:15	Scimmia	see man PKGBUILD
2022-09-24 14:03:22	uuidNuniq	Ennea: how about urxvt :P
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2022-09-24 14:03:54	Ennea	perhaps :p
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2022-09-24 14:03:58	Scimmia	section on using VCS sources
2022-09-24 14:04:05	uuidNuniq	linux_dream:  change cd "$srcdir/$_gitname" to cd "$srcdir"
2022-09-24 14:04:21	Scimmia	uuidNuniq: no
2022-09-24 14:05:17	linux_dream	same error uuidNuniq
2022-09-24 14:05:47	uuidNuniq	linux_dream: oh, no , you should change http back to git 
2022-09-24 14:05:52	astralc	delete all folders files expect PKGBUILD and try again
2022-09-24 14:05:59	Scimmia	ug, again, uuidNuniq no
2022-09-24 14:06:04	linux_dream	The URL to the VCS repository. This must include the VCS in the URL protocol for makepkg to recognize this as a VCS source. If the protocol does not include the VCS name, it can be added by
2022-09-24 14:06:04	linux_dream	           prefixing the URL with vcs+. For example, using a Git repository over HTTPS would have a source URL in the form: git+https://....
2022-09-24 14:06:07	Scimmia	you might want to read the man page I referenced as well
2022-09-24 14:06:09	uuidNuniq	as when you use http, it will use curl to download the url, when you use git, it clone into a dir 
2022-09-24 14:06:21	linux_dream	so I must use git+https://
2022-09-24 14:06:24	Scimmia	right
2022-09-24 14:06:56	Scimmia	and you'll likely have to delete the older clone and reclone the repo
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2022-09-24 14:07:10	uuidNuniq	make clean!
2022-09-24 14:07:17	uuidNuniq	makepkg -Cc
2022-09-24 14:07:28	linux_dream	I used makepkg -ics
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2022-09-24 14:07:30	uuidNuniq	well. no, just rm by hand 
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2022-09-24 14:08:03	linux_dream	it worked (the -ics), package builkt and installed
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2022-09-24 14:08:36	uuidNuniq	linux_dream: if you don't want to use git+https, then the url has to end with a tarball if you want to use https:// 
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2022-09-24 14:08:55	linux_dream	damn that didn't fix my m64py problem
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2022-09-24 14:09:12	linux_dream	I guess I'll open a github issue then
2022-09-24 14:09:45	Scimmia	uuidNuniq: which makes no sense in a -git package
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2022-09-24 14:10:08	uuidNuniq	well, tarball is smaller
2022-09-24 14:10:11	uuidNuniq	usually
2022-09-24 14:10:37	Warepire	Enitin: Alacritty here, works fine, has vim bindings if you're into that.
2022-09-24 14:10:50	Enrico63	Hi. Is there a specific channel where I can ask about network config in archlinux?
2022-09-24 14:10:56	uuidNuniq	Ennea: the kitty terminfo thing, sucks 
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2022-09-24 14:11:07	Ennea	uuidNuniq, it really does
2022-09-24 14:11:11	Enrico63	Or should I rely on this one where I'm writing?
2022-09-24 14:11:15	uuidNuniq	Enrico63: you are in the right place
2022-09-24 14:11:20	Warepire	Ennea: Alacritty message above (I can't tab..)
2022-09-24 14:11:30	uuidNuniq	Enrico63: you are in the right place
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2022-09-24 14:11:50	Ennea	Warepire, oh yea, i remember the vim bindings
2022-09-24 14:12:42	uuidNuniq	Ennea: what kitty devs need to do is to put their terminfo to the universal package terminfo
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2022-09-24 14:13:14	Ennea	kitty's dev is of the opinion that openssh should just automatically copy the terminfo to the target system...
2022-09-24 14:13:17	Enrico63	By the way, I've asked the question on BBS already (https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2058868#p2058868). If asking here (again) as well is against the rules, I'm ok with it. So is it
2022-09-24 14:13:18	phrik	Title: I want to understand how to set the network up / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-09-24 14:13:36	◣	Enitin (~Enitin@87.249.135.135) ha salido (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2022-09-24 14:13:41	Enrico63	"So is it
2022-09-24 14:13:46	Enrico63	was mean to be a question
2022-09-24 14:13:55	Enrico63	but I can't type well today, apparently.
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2022-09-24 14:20:30	uuidNuniq	Enrico63: wireless?
2022-09-24 14:20:45	Enrico63	uuidNuniq yes
2022-09-24 14:21:07	Enrico63	Well, would be nice that it would work with ethernet as well. Just like the live system does out of the box.
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2022-09-24 14:21:22	Enrico63	But at the moment I can only use WiFi
2022-09-24 14:21:38	uuidNuniq	Enrico63: before going something, you need to understand how it works
2022-09-24 14:22:17	Enrico63	Yeah, and that's what I'm having trouble with. I swear I read, but get lost into, those wiki pages :(
2022-09-24 14:22:44	uuidNuniq	1. lspci or lsusb you see your wireless devices 2. a program is used to associate your card to the AP 3. a program to configure the ip address, e.g. dhcpcd 
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2022-09-24 14:23:44	uuidNuniq	that is the basic. no matter what tools you are using. 
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2022-09-24 14:24:12	Enitin	???
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2022-09-24 14:25:04	brocellous	I thought the instlaller had some basic networkd config for wireless? Could prolly just copy that over maybe put a match on ssid.
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2022-09-24 14:26:19	uuidNuniq	Enrico63: for number 2, check https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wpa_supplicant , for number 3, you can use systemd-networkd it is damn simple 4 lines for dhcp
2022-09-24 14:26:20	phrik	Title: wpa_supplicant - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-09-24 14:27:22	another|	or iwd for 2
2022-09-24 14:27:29	Enrico63	uuidNuniq, for number 1, lspci output features "Intel Corporation Wireless".
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2022-09-24 14:28:14	uuidNuniq	Enrico63: then, for number 2 use this one https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Iwd
2022-09-24 14:28:15	phrik	Title: iwd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-09-24 14:29:07	uuidNuniq	in this case, when using iwd, you don't need number 3. because iwd does ip configuration for you according to the wiki 
2022-09-24 14:29:17	Enrico63	uuidNuniq Ok, I have iwd installed. Do I just have to start&enable the service and then running iwctl and connect to the wifi?
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2022-09-24 14:29:31	uuidNuniq	Enrico63: just follow the wiki 
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2022-09-24 14:29:54	ℹ 	Dotz0cat_ es conocido ahora como Dotz0cat
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2022-09-24 14:31:30	Enrico63	Pre-question, then: since the first command that wiki shows is "$ iwctl", shoud I understand from the "$" that I *must* do it with a non-root user if the final goal is to have stuff work for non-root user?
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2022-09-24 14:32:15	Enrico63	(I followed unsuccessfully the wiki a first time yesterday. Maybe becaue I did everything as root? That's why I'm asking uuidNuniq)
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2022-09-24 14:32:39	neff	Hello guys.A strange thing happened after update.I have a samba server,works on debian,and i have workstation on Arch.After update workstation i can't save files via applications.I can copy,paste,make new files or directories via file managers,or terminal,but for example can't save file from firefox...just curios,that it can be?
2022-09-24 14:33:03	uuidNuniq	Enrico63: do it as root is fine. as non-root may not work 
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2022-09-24 14:35:19	uuidNuniq	Enrico63: 1. configure 2. try command line make sure it works 3. enable the service so it does everything for you automatically.
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2022-09-24 14:36:12	uuidNuniq	neff: permission issue?
2022-09-24 14:36:52	neff	Yes but why only then i save file via app's?
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2022-09-24 19:11:10	AlexC	interesting, I no longer can login to gnome with X after nvidia update lmao
2022-09-24 19:11:24	MrElendig	read logs
2022-09-24 19:11:25	AlexC	another interesting fact, the old nvidia module loaded for some reason
2022-09-24 19:11:32	MrElendig	and lsmod
2022-09-24 19:11:32	AlexC	yeah, that's what I'm doing now
2022-09-24 19:11:37	AlexC	it's loaded
2022-09-24 19:11:39	AlexC	[    1.438747] nvidia-modeset: Loading NVIDIA Kernel Mode Setting Driver for UNIX platforms  515.65.01  Wed Jul 20 13:43:59 UTC 2022
2022-09-24 19:11:46	AlexC	but this module is not installed lol
2022-09-24 19:11:49	MrElendig	forgot to rebuild the initcpio
2022-09-24 19:11:51	artefact	^
2022-09-24 19:11:53	MrElendig	!next
2022-09-24 19:11:54	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-09-24 19:11:56	AlexC	ah shit
2022-09-24 19:12:04	AlexC	true story
2022-09-24 19:12:12	AlexC	vielen dank
2022-09-24 19:12:15	MrElendig	you can write a hook for it
2022-09-24 19:12:21	AlexC	I thought I added the hook for it
2022-09-24 19:12:27	AlexC	but turns out I didnt lol
2022-09-24 19:12:33	AlexC	and totally forgot
2022-09-24 19:13:11	AlexC	fun fact it works with wayland
2022-09-24 19:13:14	AlexC	thanks intel <3
2022-09-24 19:14:17	AlexC	hm
2022-09-24 19:14:21	AlexC	strange, I did add the hook
2022-09-24 19:14:40	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-09-24 19:14:51	AlexC	Target=nvidia
2022-09-24 19:14:51	AlexC	Target=linux-zen
2022-09-24 19:15:06	AlexC	I use both nvidia and nvidia-dkms
2022-09-24 19:15:19	MrElendig	makes no sense to have both
2022-09-24 19:15:22	AlexC	so it should've triggered the rebuild I guess
2022-09-24 19:15:55	AlexC	hm, let's see I remove, edit the pacman hook to trigger to nvidia-dkms
2022-09-24 19:16:11	MrElendig	added complexity with dkms is that you have to make sure that the dkms rebuild happens first
2022-09-24 19:16:45	AlexC	so dkms rebuild than mkinitcpio ?
2022-09-24 19:17:08	MrElendig	yes, in the other order you will just rebuild then initrd wiht the old module
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2022-09-24 19:18:13	teraflops	if nvidia and nvidia-dkms provide nvidia how is it possible to have both installed?
2022-09-24 19:18:30	MrElendig	doing evil things
2022-09-24 19:18:35	teraflops	ouch
2022-09-24 19:18:58	MrElendig	-dd and --overwrite maybe
2022-09-24 19:19:43	AlexC	so if I just stick before the mkinitcpio part dkms autoinstall, should that work?
2022-09-24 19:20:25	teraflops	AlexC: I personally use nvidia-dkms and have never had issues for a long long time
2022-09-24 19:20:35	AlexC	yah, me too
2022-09-24 19:20:52	AlexC	hoh
2022-09-24 19:21:00	AlexC	I don't have nvidia installed, just dkms
2022-09-24 19:21:01	AlexC	mkay
2022-09-24 19:21:08	teraflops	that makes more sense
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2022-09-24 19:23:27	AlexC	(4/4) Update NVIDIA module in initcpio
2022-09-24 19:23:31	AlexC	looks like it works
2022-09-24 19:23:48	AlexC	but I can't see dkms autoinstall
2022-09-24 19:23:49	AlexC	hm
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2022-09-24 19:24:04	AlexC	Exec=/bin/sh -c 'while read -r trg; do case $trg in linux-zen) exit 0; esac; done; dkms autoinstall; /usr/bin/mkinitcpio -P'
2022-09-24 19:24:10	AlexC	this is what I have in the hook now
2022-09-24 19:24:47	AlexC	so initcpio ran successfully
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2022-09-24 19:27:58	AlexC	mkay, at least it fixed now
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2022-09-24 19:28:22	AlexC	strange
2022-09-24 19:28:34	AlexC	nevermind, i will test again when the new drivers comes out
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2022-09-24 19:28:41	AlexC	soon (tm)
2022-09-24 19:28:46	AlexC	thanks guys
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2022-09-24 19:34:15	AlexC	ah okay, that was my bad, initially i was added nvidia only, but I didn't have
2022-09-24 19:34:15	AlexC	makes much more sense lmao
2022-09-24 19:34:15	AlexC	sry..
2022-09-24 19:34:15	AlexC	:D
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2022-09-24 19:39:00	AlexC	no, because I did not have that installed
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2022-09-24 19:39:07	AlexC	so no idea what I remembered
2022-09-24 19:39:09	AlexC	:D
2022-09-24 19:39:30	MrElendig	h4rd3n3d_: what card do you have?
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2022-09-24 19:41:00	Blutkoete	I'm currently experimenting (not for any particular reason, just for fun & learning) around with what it needs to have a small chroot available with some basic tools in it and noticed in the process that "coreutils" depends on "openssl" and "coreutils" is what provides me with the "ls" command ... of course it's probably not ls being dependent on openssl, but what part of the very fundamental
2022-09-24 19:41:00	Blutkoete	coreutils 
2022-09-24 19:41:00	Blutkoete	package needs openssl? It feels weird to me at first glance that wanting to have an "ls" command available without using something like busybox requires me to pull in openssl.
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2022-09-24 19:41:35	artefact	Blutkoete: coreutils is a lot more than just "ls"
2022-09-24 19:41:40	MrElendig	then don't install nvidia(-dkms)
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2022-09-24 19:41:47	MrElendig	install the 390xx drivers
2022-09-24 19:41:56	artefact	Blutkoete: maybe you want something smaller, like busybox, or just package coreutils "ls" on its own
2022-09-24 19:42:01	MrElendig	seeing as you are apparently using those already
2022-09-24 19:42:35	Blutkoete	artefact: Yes, I probably just had a different interpretation of "core" here.
2022-09-24 19:42:54	Blutkoete	artefact: I'll probably go with busybox.
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2022-09-24 19:45:19	artefact	openssl provides libcrypto.so which is used by eg, sha256sum
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2022-09-24 19:46:22	Blutkoete	artefact: Ah, thank you, that makes a lot of sense. How did you find that out that fast? Teach me to fish :)
2022-09-24 19:46:55	artefact	just ldd, pacman -Qo and educated guesses
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2022-09-24 19:47:30	Blutkoete	artefact: Thank you!
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2022-09-24 19:53:06	MrElendig	just install nvidia-390xx-dkms instead of nvidia-dkms 
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2022-09-24 20:09:08	ℹ 	wallabra_ es conocido ahora como wallabra
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2022-09-25 09:03:46	uuidNuniq	can't utilize full cpu power on host, arch is a guest in QEMU
2022-09-25 09:04:39	uuidNuniq	i give arch all the cores -smp 8, and then do stress -c 8 on arch under qemu. host shows 84% cpu usage. 
2022-09-25 09:05:26	uuidNuniq	don't know what is going on, is this something systemd related? or kernel config related?
2022-09-25 09:08:53	Enrico63	Hi. Any suggestion on which IRC channel I can join to ask about linux device drivers programming? I mean, not kernel programming per sé.
2022-09-25 09:15:26	glitsj16	Enrico63: #linux perhaps
2022-09-25 09:21:25	Enrico63	glitsj16, thanks, I'll try that
2022-09-25 09:24:08	glitsj16	Enrico63: you're welcome... i've seen it discussed there, but being IRC it could mean waiting for knowledgeable people to wake up and join
2022-09-25 09:24:41	artefact	which device? i think the set of relevant people is very different if you're developing for eg, networking, usb, dmabuf, etc
2022-09-25 09:25:55	artefact	i would suggest mailing lists, but that would be hypocritical of me
2022-09-25 09:29:38	Enrico63	artefact, well, maybe it's better I give some more detail. The thing is I have 0 experience with kernel and drivers. Literally zero. So I've bought O'Reilly's "Linux Device Drivers" and stared reading it. However, to take anything out of it, I have to start actually playing with the examples. The point is that I'm stuck at beginning of Chapter 2,
2022-09-25 09:29:38	Enrico63	where the first actual hello world example assumes I have a "configured and built kernel source tree on disk", prerably with a mainline kernel from kernel.org. Beside downloading this file (on a sacrifical system that I do have), I have no idea what the quoted text actually means.
2022-09-25 09:30:17	artefact	does the book not give you pointers on how to do that?
2022-09-25 09:30:32	artefact	i think you can get there with "asp export linux" then "cd linux; makepkg -s"
2022-09-25 09:30:47	artefact	or maybe you only need to install linux-headers
2022-09-25 09:31:07	Enrico63	I will try opening the tarball and see if there's some doc in there
2022-09-25 09:31:19	Enrico63	maybe it suggests the command you referred to
2022-09-25 09:44:03	stefanc_diff	Enrico63: when you're stuck on things like these always do a search on the archlinux wiki. Most of the times there will be something very helpful for you on the wiki. Re kernel compilation when using archlinux - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel/Arch_Build_System and https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel
2022-09-25 09:44:04	phrik	Title: Kernel/Arch Build System - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-25 09:56:28	kevr	Enrico63: the documentation you're reading is probably talking about the actual compilation process. on Arch, we have packages that do these compilations as they are packaged. Installing kernels or programs manually by yourself with no package is a pretty bad idea, because you won't be able to use the pacman utilities for file accounting and such.
2022-09-25 09:56:59	kevr	those wiki links stefan posted illustrate how to build your own custom kernel
2022-09-25 09:57:05	kevr	derived based off of the linux kernel, at least
2022-09-25 09:57:46	kevr	the arch PKGBUILD, which contains the scripts to build, have things crafted in certain ways to work better for Arch. So it's a good point to base off of.
2022-09-25 10:31:04	phrik	Title: ccache - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-25 10:46:15	astralc	isn't it the same for gcc?
2022-09-25 10:48:51	Kottizen	h4rd3n3d: System files I only take backups of before doing potentially hazardous activities, such as encrypting the disk, but the home directory I continuously synchronise to an external location with Unison.
2022-09-25 11:11:12	astralc	g++ is the c++ compiler from gcc
2022-09-25 11:17:47	astralc	why I discovered noto-color-emoji-fontconfig just now?......it fix the plasma missing emoji in konsole/konveration
2022-09-25 11:25:11	Ennea	consider using ttf-twemoji from the AUR while you're at it. might be preference, but i find the twitter emoji to look much nicer
2022-09-25 11:27:37	artefact	for i in {0..1000}; do xeyes&; done #👀
2022-09-25 11:29:43	astralc	every emoji is shit, but I still need it rendered to see what it is
2022-09-25 11:30:51	Ennea	naaah, emoji are nice 😁
2022-09-25 11:30:52	astralc	also, the package I said is a fontconfig config file to allow the emoji be part of other fonts
2022-09-25 11:30:58	astralc	:(
2022-09-25 11:30:58	artefact	astralc: s/\p{Extended_Pictographic}/💩/g
2022-09-25 11:31:02	astralc	...
2022-09-25 11:31:09	Ennea	yea, ttf-twemoji also comes with a fontconfig file you can symlink to /etc/fonts/conf.d
2022-09-25 11:32:15	astralc	artefact: return to tradition- 8====D
2022-09-25 11:32:45	Ennea	🍆
2022-09-25 11:33:03	astralc	>:-(
2022-09-25 11:34:36	astralc	at least it is not twitch emotes
2022-09-25 11:36:16	Ennea	yea, i honestly don't understand twitch "culture" either. especially when people say twitch emote names out loud
2022-09-25 12:49:24	meskarune	I have an ssd usb drive 2TB in size I'm using for photo backups off my android devices. I want to manage photos with shotwell. In /etc/fstab I have the drive mount with "UUID=1ED3-15F4 /media/Samsung vfat rw,relatime,user 0 0" it mounts and my user can look at the dirs but I get errors when trying to read/write saying permission denied.
2022-09-25 12:51:27	meskarune	How do I mount this so my user can read/write files ? ls shows every photo owned by root -rwxr-xr-x
2022-09-25 12:53:31	mpan	meskarune: you must tell vfat, what uid/gid/permissions to mimic: <https://man.archlinux.org/man/mount.8#Mount_options_for_fat>.
2022-09-25 12:53:32	phrik	Title: mount(8) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2022-09-25 12:54:49	mpan	Keep in mind that FAT file systems have no concept of POSIX permissions and users/groups, so the file system implementation must fake those.
2022-09-25 12:59:46	artefact	mount -o uid=$(id -u),gid=$(id -g) /dev/foo /mnt/foo
2022-09-25 13:00:10	artefact	i just hardcode it in fstab since this is a single user system
2022-09-25 13:04:09	mpan	Since it’s in fstab and, I suppose, invokable by many users, umask=000 may be better. For single user uid/gid seems better for security reasons. But I leave the choice to meskarune, offering the relevant documentation.
2022-09-25 13:04:10	meskarune	mpan: it says uid=value and gid=value but what values can I use? Is there a list somewhere?
2022-09-25 13:04:21	mpan	The target user/group ID.
2022-09-25 13:04:38	mpan	artefact has shown above, how to get ones for you.
2022-09-25 13:08:31	meskarune	Ah I see, my user is uid 1000
2022-09-25 13:11:15	Wazi	Hi all, I've just set up LightDM as my login manager and I'm trying to use it with XMonad as my window manager. Everything is fine until I enter my password and hit enter though, at which point nothing happens - it just doesn't log in. I've checked the logs for xorg and lightdm and there's no indication of a problem there, and I've followed all the
2022-09-25 13:11:16	Wazi	documentation on configuring LightDM and tried all the relevant solutions I've found people proposing for lightdm and xmonad but had no luck. Anyone encountered this issue, or have any other debugging suggestions?
2022-09-25 13:19:03	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-09-25 13:31:48	glitsj16	Wazi: not wanting to push you away from LightDM, but it's not capable of running rootless X last time i checked... which might be grounds for looking elsewhere
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2022-09-25 14:08:47	lowden	so i plan to use my laptop as a server and daily driver and i changed the lid closing events to ignore suspend via systemd but should i let it power off in case of critical battery or suspend ?
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2022-09-25 14:10:09	artefact	you can set lid close to ignore only on a/c power
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2022-09-25 14:10:46	lowden	yeah its on only a/c power the battery doesn't work nicely without a/c
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2022-09-25 17:18:08	enelar	Hello everyone, I have a huge problem. During one of latest updates qemu-block-rbd was removed from repository. I just restared my server, which made all virtual machines unbootable
2022-09-25 17:18:17	enelar	qemu-block-rbd[broken link: package not found] - RBD block support  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/QEMU
2022-09-25 17:18:18	phrik	Title: QEMU - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-25 17:18:41	enelar	I have no clue how to fix this, trying to find package, and it could be found nowhere
2022-09-25 17:19:25	another|	there's one on AUR
2022-09-25 17:20:14	enelar	qemu-pinning-block-rbd? A bit scared because it forces to rebuild whole qemu system, and replace my qemu-full package
2022-09-25 17:20:41	Psi-Jack	WTF, what are qemu-block-*-templeos?
2022-09-25 17:21:27	another|	enelar: have not looked into this. do your own research
2022-09-25 17:21:38	enelar	also there is conflict, qemu-libs and qemu-pinning-full are dependedent on each other, and they create same files, which forces me to use --overwrite flag
2022-09-25 17:21:51	enelar	but I am concerned is the package even stable at that point
2022-09-25 17:22:33	umaxtu-	Psi-Jack: you've never heard of templeOS?
2022-09-25 17:23:41	Psi-Jack	I've heard of that crap, yes, but what's qemu-block drivers got to do with it? 😛
2022-09-25 17:24:20	jelle	Psi-Jack: nothing, you brought up templeos
2022-09-25 17:24:55	another|	enelar: https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commit/86a422768782280c0425a1485a8a1afb4689fb8d
2022-09-25 17:25:00	jelle	if you look at the PKGBUILD you would know why 
2022-09-25 17:25:04	Psi-Jack	I brought up qemu-block-*-templeos specifically. heh
2022-09-25 17:25:12	jelle	Psi-Jack: ^
2022-09-25 17:25:59	Psi-Jack	Oh, better.. speaker audio support specifically for templeos? Wow.. LOL
2022-09-25 17:26:43	enelar	jelle: I'm cool with that. But it seems that ceph-deploy tool does not provide qemu drivers. So there is no way to acquire them at this point.
2022-09-25 17:27:23	jelle	enelar: huh? That comment was meant for Psi-Jack 
2022-09-25 17:27:37	enelar	woops, sorry, another
2022-09-25 17:27:41	enelar	woops, sorry, another|
2022-09-25 17:29:21	Psi-Jack	Huh, dropping support for ceph-libs entirely I see.
2022-09-25 17:33:05	Psi-Jack	enelar: Looks like ceph-libs itself is being dropped from arch linux, and no backing AUR packages, like qemu-block-rbd has been established to provide community support back to it, yet.
2022-09-25 17:33:45	Psi-Jack	I think there /was/ a qemu-block-rbd-git, but I'm not seeig that now.
2022-09-25 17:35:59	enelar	Yeah, right now I will try to remove ceph-libs from my sistem and install ceph-pinning-block-rbd. Hopefully it will help
2022-09-25 17:36:36	Psi-Jack	Yeah, not sure what that even is, but it looks quite major compared to the regular qemu packages.
2022-09-25 17:36:55	enelar	Yeah, I guess I have no choice at this point
2022-09-25 17:37:06	Psi-Jack	Yeah, that requires a total re-do of qemu-* packages to qemu-pinning-*
2022-09-25 17:37:19	Psi-Jack	YOu have a choice, if you want to build your own qemu-block-rbd package.
2022-09-25 17:37:20	enelar	Will migrate to iscsi asap
2022-09-25 17:37:39	Psi-Jack	I used to use Ceph, so I understand. 😉
2022-09-25 17:37:45	enelar	It doesn't seem to be compatible with boost 1.90, so I have to patch it...
2022-09-25 17:37:54	Psi-Jack	But, I used Ceph in a cluster farm, but on my desktop. heh
2022-09-25 17:38:26	enelar	It's not a desktop, just a tower at my place
2022-09-25 17:39:41	enelar	I tried to use glusterfs/zfs, it doesn't satisfy my needs :(
2022-09-25 17:40:25	Psi-Jack	GlusterFS is what I switched to and it works just fine, when you use it right.
2022-09-25 17:40:37	Psi-Jack	Curious what about it didn't satisfy your specific needs?
2022-09-25 17:40:38	enelar	Does it support one node setup?
2022-09-25 17:40:59	Psi-Jack	There's no reason it should. 😛
2022-09-25 17:41:20	Psi-Jack	Even running Ceph on a 1-node setup is not recommended or supported.
2022-09-25 17:41:34	enelar	Well, I know that I shouldn't but its better than NAS devices with unknown proprietary software
2022-09-25 17:41:45	Psi-Jack	Not..... Really.
2022-09-25 17:41:50	⚡ 	umaxtu- hides his synology
2022-09-25 17:41:52	enelar	how sow?
2022-09-25 17:41:56	enelar	*so
2022-09-25 17:41:57	⚡ 	Psi-Jack pets his Synology publically.
2022-09-25 17:42:07	umaxtu-	lol
2022-09-25 17:42:21	MrElendig	downside with syn and qnap is that syn gets hacked every month and qnap gets hacked every week :p
2022-09-25 17:42:39	artefact	syn? synack. ack?
2022-09-25 17:42:46	Psi-Jack	heh, Yeah, I'd never recommend QNAP, but Synology, just don't run that connected to the internet directly. Simple./
2022-09-25 17:42:53	Psi-Jack	Syn as in Synology.
2022-09-25 17:43:08	artefact	do they still use their cr*ppy btrfs fork that's impossible to unbreak on modern progs/kernels?
2022-09-25 17:43:17	MrElendig	qnap has better hardware, synology have less bad software (except the subscription bs)
2022-09-25 17:43:19	enelar	Well... everything is connected to internet if you have physical cable. Zero trust policy
2022-09-25 17:43:27	umaxtu-	there is a tailscale package available if you want remote access
2022-09-25 17:43:39	MrElendig	umaxtu-: wireguard on your  own router
2022-09-25 17:43:51	Psi-Jack	Or openvpn. 🙂
2022-09-25 17:43:59	MrElendig	such slow, much not wow
2022-09-25 17:44:00	artefact	i would sooner just buy a rpi or pcengines apu and glue a disk to it
2022-09-25 17:44:16	Psi-Jack	With eliptic curve profile groups, openvpn is pretty fasrt.
2022-09-25 17:44:33	enelar	Hm, can it handle 5GBits on single core?
2022-09-25 17:44:52	Psi-Jack	enelar: Can what handle that?
2022-09-25 17:45:58	umaxtu-	tailscale does actually use wireguard for its tunnels. or are you just not happy with the idea of relying on a 3rd party service?
2022-09-25 17:46:05	enelar	Well, an year ago, openvpn wasn't supporting multithreading, and it's throughput was severly limited by single core flops. I have 5Gbit connection to my ceph instance, and a lot of ssd there. I think openvpn will be a bottleneck
2022-09-25 17:49:00	Psi-Jack	Heh, OpenVPN Access Server, supports a hacky method of handling multi-core, but, OpenVPN 2.6 is going to suopport DCO which, for supporting hardware, will handle it much better.
2022-09-25 17:49:24	Enrico63	!paste
2022-09-25 17:49:24	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-09-25 17:49:25	Psi-Jack	I don't have such demanding needs. 🙂
2022-09-25 17:49:58	Enrico63	Wow, just 3 lines!:/  Ok
2022-09-25 17:50:36	Psi-Jack	Enrico63: That's pretty standard IRC netiquette. 
2022-09-25 17:51:20	Enrico63	TIL
2022-09-25 17:51:55	Psi-Jack	Though... OpenVPN's usage of GCM-based may be utilizing multiple cores versus single-core AES?
2022-09-25 17:52:58	MrElendig	my old netgear router could only do 60ish mbit with openvpn despite being pretty decent hardware, while wireguard gets me around 220mbit (line speed is 300)
2022-09-25 17:53:04	Enrico63	In a fresh install of arch, I'm trying to set up Vim for C/C++ dev. Specifically, I'm setting YouCompleteMe up. I have this error which I'm not sure is related to it at all, though. I'm executing `git submodule update --init --recursive` as per an error when installing it, and the output is
2022-09-25 17:53:05	Enrico63	https://gist.github.com/Aster89/05825d12ed8daebc07b24ff08b472f5a Any idea what it is?
2022-09-25 17:53:15	Psi-Jack	The main things I specifically don't particularly like about wireguard is it's lack of route negotiating, something openvpn has.
2022-09-25 17:53:41	MrElendig	Enrico63: network issue
2022-09-25 17:54:20	Enrico63	I suspected that, but... it's not total absense of connection or anything, I believe
2022-09-25 17:54:24	MrElendig	Enrico63: sidenote: treesitter + cland and friends is nice
2022-09-25 17:54:38	MrElendig	clangd*
2022-09-25 17:54:47	Enrico63	How do you know I like sitting on trees?
2022-09-25 17:54:54	Enrico63	Are you stalking me?D:
2022-09-25 17:54:59	MrElendig	not that anything is really nice with c(++) :p
2022-09-25 17:55:05	MrElendig	yes
2022-09-25 17:55:10	Enrico63	Aaaaarg
2022-09-25 17:55:51	Enrico63	C++ is so since, if you start banning non necessary if/else/while/and stuff
2022-09-25 17:55:53	MrElendig	Enrico63: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpC_hO15IoA
2022-09-25 17:55:53	enelar	Summary: I cannot use synology behind VPN, because it will dramatically reduce throughput. Thus, ceph.
2022-09-25 17:57:09	fn31ln3	is possible to test older versions of kernel (e.g. 3.12) on arch? By possible, I mean have a working system without much hassle?
2022-09-25 17:57:17	Psi-Jack	enelar: Umm. ceph not over VPN is just as bad, if not worse.
2022-09-25 17:57:50	Psi-Jack	and iSCSI, that'll be epicly worse.
2022-09-25 17:57:59	MrElendig	Enrico63: also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELeZAKCN4tY
2022-09-25 17:58:07	MrElendig	fn31ln3: no
2022-09-25 17:58:41	enelar	Hum, i thought rbd was a safe option. As long as all drive images encrypted
2022-09-25 17:58:43	Scimmia	systemd's minimum is 3.15 right now, from what I can find
2022-09-25 17:58:57	fn31ln3	@MrElendig, I see, so to test something like this, I should use something like ubuntu 14.04 lts
2022-09-25 17:59:16	Scimmia	so even without extra features, 3.12 is a no-go
2022-09-25 17:59:18	artefact	you could probably hack something with an old archiso and arch archive project
2022-09-25 17:59:29	artefact	but it might or might not work well on bare h/w
2022-09-25 18:02:09	Psi-Jack	enelar: The data on disk is encrypted, yes....
2022-09-25 18:02:38	Warepire	Might need to re-compile glibc as well as I think Arch defaults to a 4.x kernel requirement.
2022-09-25 18:04:30	Psi-Jack	enelar: Unless you're using the Messenger v2 protocol (msgr2) then the actual encryption, over-the-wire, is not there, -at all-.
2022-09-25 18:06:34	MrElendig	throw enough hardware at it and you can have a vpn with bascially no overhead for the users
2022-09-25 18:06:39	Enrico63	MrElendig, do you have a suggestion about the network issue?
2022-09-25 18:07:02	enelar	It seems that nautilus uses v2 by default, at least with my setup. Will be 100% sure once will fix current issue
2022-09-25 18:07:44	MrElendig	Enrico63: start by checking the bitbucket service status page, they have had a lot of problems over the past year
2022-09-25 18:07:51	enelar	*and I use octopus
2022-09-25 18:08:37	Enrico63	Do I read correctly that the problem I'm seeing is normal? https://bitbucket.status.atlassian.com/
2022-09-25 18:08:38	phrik	Title: Atlassian Bitbucket Status (at bitbucket.status.atlassian.com)
2022-09-25 18:09:02	Psi-Jack	Heh, yea, I used Ceph from Dumpling upo to Pacific.
2022-09-25 18:11:28	MrElendig	Enrico63: says partial outage for git over https so..
2022-09-25 18:13:35	MrElendig	Enrico63: take it as a good opportunity to test nvim with lsp/treesitter :p
2022-09-25 18:16:20	Enrico63	Mmmmm, no, not neovim :D
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2022-09-25 20:22:02	Zetta1Reid0	Anyone with plymouth script skills, can help me out ?
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2022-09-25 20:33:48	bluetail	I did use plymouth but I did not keep using it
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2022-09-26 15:15:12	ganna	yes h4rd3n3d 
2022-09-26 15:15:22	ganna	i did sudo pacman -Syu
2022-09-26 15:15:48	ganna	:: Starting full system upgrade...
2022-09-26 15:15:50	ganna	 there is nothing to doyy
2022-09-26 15:16:07	Chiester	what's the model and manufacturer of the laptob
2022-09-26 15:18:25	glitsj16	ganna: <installed libinput too> .. what else did you install for there to be that 'too'? xf86-input-synaptics perhaps?
2022-09-26 15:19:03	jelle	ganna: did it work before?
2022-09-26 15:20:11	ganna	yes 
2022-09-26 15:20:18	ganna	warning: xf86-input-synaptics-1.9.2-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
2022-09-26 15:20:31	ganna	should i uninstall ?
2022-09-26 15:20:57	jelle	ganna: no
2022-09-26 15:21:08	ganna	Chiester: http://pastie.org/p/7GphyvjZSdA0Vq3vV5d2cr
2022-09-26 15:21:09	phrik	Title: Pastie (at pastie.org)
2022-09-26 15:21:14	ganna	okay jelle 
2022-09-26 15:21:29	ganna	then what to do now?
2022-09-26 15:21:34	jelle	ganna: dmesg | grep -i touchpad
2022-09-26 15:22:20	ganna	jelle: no output?
2022-09-26 15:22:38	jelle	ganna: what device?
2022-09-26 15:22:55	ganna	nothing no device been shown. 
2022-09-26 15:23:16	jelle	ganna: what laptop
2022-09-26 15:23:54	jelle	or grab an old journalctl and see if it shows anything about a touchpad
2022-09-26 15:24:35	ganna	https://termbin.com/0bi3
2022-09-26 15:25:19	ganna	sudo journalctl | grep touchpad 
2022-09-26 15:25:26	ganna	not output
2022-09-26 15:25:34	artefact	not using -gtouchpad, criminal
2022-09-26 15:25:35	ganna	i think its the cable
2022-09-26 15:25:40	ganna	let me check that too
2022-09-26 15:26:14	ganna	artefact: its showing bootid
2022-09-26 15:26:17	ganna	nothing else
2022-09-26 15:27:54	ganna	???
2022-09-26 15:28:27	jelle	ganna: don't grep touchpad, you need -i
2022-09-26 15:28:31	jelle	[   17.543968] input: Elan Touchpad as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.4/i2c-0/0-0015/input/input13
2022-09-26 15:28:42	artefact	journalctl -g is case insensitive by default
2022-09-26 15:42:40	ganna	i think its ahradware problem 
2022-09-26 16:18:13	ednash	Is anyone interested in testing my duplicate file finder?
2022-09-26 16:18:44	ednash	I just added it to AUR, `yay -S dupefi`
2022-09-26 16:26:10	ednash	As this is my first publication to AUR, I'm not sure if I missed anything important
2022-09-26 16:26:56	jelle	ednash: it should be a -git package
2022-09-26 16:27:14	ednash	oh - i was wondering about that
2022-09-26 16:28:06	ednash	there's -bin, -git and with no suffix. what is the protocol for packages without -git or -bin suffix?
2022-09-26 16:28:29	ednash	may be i should clone it with -git?
2022-09-26 16:29:19	jelle	ednash: you pull from git main, so it should be -git, normal releases have no suffix
2022-09-26 16:30:14	ednash	thanks. i'll upload it as -git
2022-09-26 16:31:17	ednash	what is a "normal release"? how do i make one?
2022-09-26 16:32:15	jelle	ednash: you create a git tag
2022-09-26 16:32:17	ednash	i guess i could use a git tag
2022-09-26 16:32:18	CubeTheThird	as in the PKGBUILD pulls from a specific release ta
2022-09-26 16:32:25	jelle	and then use that as source to build
2022-09-26 16:32:35	ednash	makes sense, thanks
2022-09-26 16:33:01	CubeTheThird	often times a -git package puts burden on the user to update themselves, whereas a normal release the packager must update the PKGBUILD when necessary
2022-09-26 16:37:28	BrainDamage	nvchecker can help you tracking releases
2022-09-26 16:50:42	ednash	if i wnat to move the un-suffixed one to a tagged release, is there any way to reset the versioning?
2022-09-26 16:52:33	luigibu	hi! question: can i enable periodic TRIM over nvme unit?
2022-09-26 16:53:11	jelle	luigibu: yes, we even ship a timer for it
2022-09-26 16:53:37	jelle	(fstrim.timer)
2022-09-26 16:54:03	luigibu	yes.. looking into the arch wiki now.. enabling the service is just enoght?
2022-09-26 16:54:20	dontdieych	fstrim.timer?
2022-09-26 16:54:29	jelle	dontdieych: yes
2022-09-26 16:54:32	dontdieych	in my case it already enabled
2022-09-26 16:54:57	luigibu	maybe is anable here to.. i did not check it.. i just start reading about it.. last night
2022-09-26 16:55:54	dontdieych	a@archlinux ~> systemctl is-enabled fstrim.timer
2022-09-26 16:55:55	dontdieych	enabled
2022-09-26 16:56:05	luigibu	let see
2022-09-26 16:57:19	dontdieych	I recommend `sysz` for systemctl things
2022-09-26 16:59:39	luigibu	dontdieych: just installed.. very nice
2022-09-26 16:59:51	dontdieych	ye good
2022-09-26 17:00:40	dontdieych	luigibu: do you mean fstrim.service or sysz?
2022-09-26 17:00:46	dontdieych	little bit confused
2022-09-26 17:00:48	ednash	never mind, changed the version to 1.0 and it works
2022-09-26 17:00:49	artefact	or $(ls /etc/systemd/system/*.wants/fstrim.service)
2022-09-26 17:02:07	luigibu	sysz
2022-09-26 17:02:22	luigibu	im still investigating fstrim.service
2022-09-26 17:02:37	dontdieych	we need very very good frontend for systemctl + journalctl ... I would appreciate it much
2022-09-26 17:02:49	Scimmia	you don't want the service, you want the timer
2022-09-26 17:03:07	luigibu	the timer is now enabled... do i need to set something else?
2022-09-26 17:03:34	luigibu	dontdieych: what the colors mind in sysz? some entries are withe.. some green.. yellow..
2022-09-26 17:05:04	dontdieych	luigibu: red -> failed, yellow -> "could not be found", green -> active and running?
2022-09-26 17:05:08	dontdieych	my guess
2022-09-26 17:05:29	luigibu	thanks! yes.. something like that
2022-09-26 17:05:37	dontdieych	sysz has some shortcuts
2022-09-26 17:05:50	dontdieych	press ?
2022-09-26 17:06:10	dontdieych	ctrl + r : daemon-reload. like that
2022-09-26 17:07:36	dontdieych	ctrl + s then "failed". it's useful
2022-09-26 17:09:16	luigibu	i would not say better.. but is good overview of all services
2022-09-26 17:12:21	dontdieych	h4rd3n3d: cause it is faster than `systemctl .....`
2022-09-26 17:12:35	jelle	dontdieych: not with tab completion :)
2022-09-26 17:13:04	dontdieych	jelle: everybody knows about tab completion. mine is also very good :D
2022-09-26 17:18:20	ednash	I changed dupefi to be a versioned (tagged) release
2022-09-26 17:18:21	nomasteryoda	maybe typing all that takes a bit more time... than just typing sysz
2022-09-26 17:18:33	nomasteryoda	making an alias to the command would be just as fast
2022-09-26 17:19:07	dontdieych	h4rd3n3d: no offense, but when dealing with some systemd unit repeatedly, like {status, start, stop}, sysz is quite good. If you already has nice alias or shell function for that, yes you don't neet sysz
2022-09-26 17:19:32	dontdieych	s/neet/need/
2022-09-26 17:19:46	nomasteryoda	it does look useful
2022-09-26 17:20:49	nomasteryoda	much easier to review what's going on
2022-09-26 17:20:55	nomasteryoda	thanks!
2022-09-26 17:21:05	ednash	gotta go, thanks for flagging on the -git suffix
2022-09-26 17:21:25	dontdieych	nomasteryoda: check out shortcut by press >?
2022-09-26 17:21:31	nomasteryoda	thanks luigibu!
2022-09-26 17:21:33	dontdieych	nomasteryoda: check out shortcut by press <?> key
2022-09-26 17:23:03	luigibu	:D dont thanks me, dontdieych recomend it! 
2022-09-26 17:25:54	dontdieych	h4rd3n3d: k, thanks :D
2022-09-26 18:04:59	dontdieych	hey plasma users, anyone hurting from this https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=456561
2022-09-26 18:05:25	dontdieych	it crashes when dealing with system tray randomly.
2022-09-26 18:06:22	MrElendig	apparently inxusr is hurting from it
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2022-09-26 18:08:19	dontdieych	MrElendig: ixuser?
2022-09-26 18:08:30	dontdieych	MrElendig: inxuser?
2022-09-26 18:09:25	MrElendig	see your own link
2022-09-26 18:10:10	dontdieych	MrElendig: ok.. didnt understand it
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2022-09-26 18:10:36	MrElendig	its the person who reported the problem, which clearly also experienced it :)
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2022-09-26 18:10:56	MrElendig	which answers your question about if anyone else than you had experienced the problem
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2022-09-26 18:11:50	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-09-26 18:11:50	ℹ 	Tema establecido por alad (alad@archlinux/op/alad) el jue, 28 jul 2022 19:12:50
2022-09-26 18:11:50	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1477 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1476 normals)
2022-09-26 18:11:52	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-09-26 18:12:00	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-09-26 18:12:00	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-09-26 18:14:03	dontdieych	MrElendig: I'd reported on that bug already couple of times with stacktrack.
2022-09-26 18:14:22	dontdieych	stacktrack/stactrace
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2022-09-26 18:31:13	vqueiroz	Hi
2022-09-26 18:31:31	vqueiroz	Is it possible to encrypt hard drivers after you already created the partitions using ext4?
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2022-09-26 18:34:01	thunfisch	not directly. how much free space do you have? shrink existing partition, place a luks container there, move data to that, overwrite old part with luks. move data back there, delete old luks, extend new luks, presto
2022-09-26 18:34:28	thunfisch	but realistically: move data to another storage medium, and start from scratch on that disk, if you can ;)
2022-09-26 18:35:22	nshp	there _is_ a way to do in-place encryption of an existing drive/partition (cryptsetup reencrypt), but I'd still back it up first
2022-09-26 18:35:32	Namarrgon	you can with cryptsetup-reencrypt but you still have to resize the partition/fs to make it fit --> still need a backup
2022-09-26 18:35:54	Namarrgon	!slow
2022-09-26 18:35:55	phrik	You're way too slow
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2022-09-26 18:40:38	thunfisch	nshp: huh, TIL, thanks.
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2022-09-26 18:41:40	nshp	yeah, it's not the most obvious feature, buried under a "re-encrypt" command :/
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2022-09-26 18:45:43	BrainDamage	there's also luksipc
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2022-09-26 18:46:09	MacGyver	LUKS does in-place reencrypt now?
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2022-09-26 18:46:43	DigitalKiwi	zfs ftw
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2022-09-26 18:49:00	nshp	BrainDamage: the luksipc README says "I recommend switching to crypsetup-luksencrypt"
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2022-09-26 18:49:09	nshp	er, reencrypt
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2022-09-26 18:50:07	BrainDamage	yeah, I guess I am also outdated on that info
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2022-09-26 18:52:57	MacGyver	I still wouldn't do it without a full backup.
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2022-09-26 18:53:07	MacGyver	But it'll save the time of copying the backup back if it succeeds.
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2022-09-26 19:03:11	coherence42	!paste
2022-09-26 19:03:11	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-09-26 19:04:22	Psi-Jack	So, Wireguard, while not the most pleasant to use, is not too shabby in the end.
2022-09-26 19:04:54	Psi-Jack	Support for it has improved in client and various aspects at least.
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2022-09-26 19:07:44	bluetail	I prefer Wireguard as it is easier to configure
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2022-09-26 19:08:01	Psi-Jack	Well "easier" depends on experience.
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2022-09-26 19:08:37	Psi-Jack	I have tons and tons of experience with openvpn and ipsec, but not much in tinc, and somewhat more, now, in wireguard.
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2022-09-26 19:11:10	mmt47	how can i decompress a file that's labeled as "zlib compressed data" probably a rfc 1950 file
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2022-09-26 19:12:34	artefact	zlib-flate(1) ?
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2022-09-26 19:13:36	frostwork	(from qpdf)
2022-09-26 19:14:25	mmt47	artefact: i couldn't figure out how to use it, "zlib-flate -uncompress filename" didn't produce anything
2022-09-26 19:14:44	artefact	prob. reads from stdin
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2022-09-26 19:15:18	mmt47	artefact: yes that's right, it reads from stdin outputs to stdout
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2022-09-26 19:16:08	coruja	zlib-flate -uncompress < IN_FILE > OUT_FILE
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2022-09-26 19:17:31	Psi-Jack	Heh. Well, some things WG needs is the ability to have some kind of more specific authentication, like username/password and additionaly 2FA of some kind. 
2022-09-26 19:17:52	mmt47	coruja: ok that worked, thanks
2022-09-26 19:18:45	Psi-Jack	Wireguard in itself is not bad, for individuals, but not quite as good for CNI usage within containers, but it comes close, speed-wise, but for more serious company use, there can be little to no adoption on it there as it is now.'
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2022-09-26 19:23:11	Psi-Jack	heh
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2022-09-26 19:23:40	Psi-Jack	Well, I'm currently writing my blog about OpenVPN, Wireguard, and the difference between VPN and PVN right now! So it'll have to wait. 🙂
2022-09-26 19:24:18	nomasteryoda	I have found my ISP throttles most wireguard for me ... fine with some of my openvpn connections though
2022-09-26 19:25:17	Psi-Jack	nomasteryoda: Interesting. They actually somehow throttle wireguard traffic specifically?
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2022-09-26 19:27:54	nshp	also try using some random high port for your wireguard, so it looks more like QUIC client traffic and less like you're hosting something?
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2022-09-26 19:29:45	Psi-Jack	I mean, what ISP is this even?
2022-09-26 19:30:05	susi	when I make a 1G zram device for swap, does it mean, that when there's ~1G available in `free`, the available memory is actually running out?
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2022-09-26 19:35:23	artefact	what? just make it doesn't reserve the 1G
2022-09-26 19:35:23	artefact	*making
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2022-09-26 19:35:23	susi	what?
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2022-09-26 19:35:23	susi	is this 1G zram device in RAM somehow taken into account and reflected in `free`s output, that's what I mean
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2022-09-26 19:37:09	artefact	no
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2022-09-26 19:37:18	artefact	well, in swap line, yeah
2022-09-26 19:37:21	Psi-Jack	susi: Heh, Have you tried it?
2022-09-26 19:37:39	artefact	it's just swap that eats ram as it fills up
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2022-09-26 19:43:39	susi	of course in swap line, but when `free` shows available N, does it mean there is still N available, regardless of the space zram is taking?
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2022-09-26 19:44:18	Psi-Jack	Again... Have you even tried it at all, done any of your own research?
2022-09-26 19:44:22	artefact	"free" does not mean "available"
2022-09-26 19:44:30	susi	free is the name of the tool
2022-09-26 19:44:35	susi	available is a column in free's output
2022-09-26 19:44:39	artefact	my bad
2022-09-26 19:44:41	susi	that's why I wrote it `free`
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2022-09-26 19:46:35	susi	I am using it just recently, and continuously looking at `free`s output, which made me wonder how this works
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2022-09-27 17:15:26	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-09-27 15:47:13	Furai	Ok, it seems that's because I have overridden the /usr/share/applications/signal.desktop with pretty much the same ~/.local/share/applications/signal.desktop. It's really the same except for Exec where I add some launch parameter which shouldn't affect the handler. As soon as I move my local desktop file to different location so the main one is picked up - `sgnl://` links are handled properly.
2022-09-27 15:47:29	Furai	I have no idea why this is the case, I don't know much about how this things work.
2022-09-27 15:47:39	Furai	I'd assume it's picking up different mime database or something.
2022-09-27 15:51:44	thisconnect	Furai, update alternatives, xdg?
2022-09-27 15:52:27	bjourne	how do you install libxcrypt-compat? it complains that /usr/lib/libcrypt.so.1 already exists
2022-09-27 15:52:34	Namarrgon	are you using a DE? how do you launch the application via that .desktop file?
2022-09-27 15:52:55	Namarrgon	bjourne: which package owns that file?
2022-09-27 15:53:37	bjourne	glibc
2022-09-27 15:54:27	Furai	thisconnect, not sure what you mean. Namarrgon, I'm using xdg-open or just a browser. 
2022-09-27 15:54:57	Namarrgon	bjourne: can you post the full output? you're missing something
2022-09-27 15:56:32	bjourne	Namarrgon: libxcrypt-compat: /usr/lib/libcrypt.so.1 finns redan
2022-09-27 15:57:18	Namarrgon	always post complete output. what does "finns redan" mean?
2022-09-27 15:57:56	bjourne	already exist, that is the full output
2022-09-27 15:58:06	Namarrgon	for what operation?
2022-09-27 15:58:27	Namarrgon	pacman -Qo /usr/lib/libcrypt.so.1
2022-09-27 16:05:09	bnason	I'm trying to install the `ckb-next` package via `yay -S ckb-next` but I'm getting that the signature for the author `is unknown trust` and the pkg.tar.zst `is corrupted`. I've completely updated my system already via `sudo pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && sudo pacman -Su`. I've also run `sudo pacman-key --refresh-keys`. Does anyone have any suggestions for what I can do next?
2022-09-27 16:06:07	Namarrgon	makepkg doesn't use pacman's keyring. you need the public key in the build-user's keyring
2022-09-27 16:07:34	bnason	This seems to be failing at the pacman installation step
2022-09-27 16:07:53	Namarrgon	post the full makepkg output
2022-09-27 16:08:11	bluetail	bnason it does work for me
2022-09-27 16:08:27	bluetail	well
2022-09-27 16:08:38	another|	bnason: do you sign your own packages?
2022-09-27 16:10:00	bnason	I don't explicitly. I'm not deeply knowledgable about what yay does though, but if yay does it I haven't enabled it.
2022-09-27 16:10:14	Namarrgon	which distro is this?
2022-09-27 16:10:36	bnason	arch
2022-09-27 16:10:41	Namarrgon	arch usually doesn't hand newbies an aur-helper and kicks them out the door before teaching them the manual process of building a package.
2022-09-27 16:11:36	another|	what's the exact error message? with context
2022-09-27 16:11:51	ugjka	paru > yay
2022-09-27 16:12:01	bnason	https://pastebin.com/raw/KULJeWRn
2022-09-27 16:12:03	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o4rP.SOskICpb
2022-09-27 16:13:15	Scimmia	bnason: so you actually mean artix
2022-09-27 16:13:23	another|	artixlinux.org
2022-09-27 16:13:36	another|	what repo is this?
2022-09-27 16:13:57	bnason	My installation is Arch Linux
2022-09-27 16:14:20	Namarrgon	are you nathon owens then?
2022-09-27 16:14:30	Namarrgon	did you add the artix repos to your arch system?
2022-09-27 16:14:31	bnason	nope, that is what yay pulled in
2022-09-27 16:14:57	another|	BS
2022-09-27 16:15:12	another|	yay doesn't add repos to your pacman.conf
2022-09-27 16:15:16	MrElendig	yay doesn't magically add the artix repos
2022-09-27 16:15:35	bnason	not that I'm aware of. https://pastebin.com/raw/cw9TT0mS
2022-09-27 16:15:36	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o4rN.F9snUSh7
2022-09-27 16:15:48	MrElendig	adding the artix repos and then installing yay from it, instead of using aur on the other hand
2022-09-27 16:15:51	Namarrgon	that is a mirror list, not the enabled repos
2022-09-27 16:16:03	Namarrgon	post your pacman.conf
2022-09-27 16:17:07	bnason	oh right and hmm yea I do see artix under universe in my pacman.conf I'm trying to remember why that was needed. Some other package got moved or something I believe.
2022-09-27 16:17:50	another|	frankendeb^Wfrankenarch
2022-09-27 16:18:17	bluetail	 ehh why would you use artix instead of arch
2022-09-27 16:18:44	another|	no, the real question is: why would you mix them
2022-09-27 16:19:25	MrElendig	random guide/blogpost/yt video telling how to install yay from there probably
2022-09-27 16:19:35	bnason	I'm absolutely no expert and if I recall, there was a help article that gave those steps to resolve another package installation issue.
2022-09-27 16:19:39	bnason	yea
2022-09-27 16:19:49	another|	!google recipes for disaster
2022-09-27 16:19:52	phrik	another|: No results found.
2022-09-27 16:21:12	another|	following random idiotic guides on the internet. slow clap
2022-09-27 16:21:16	Warepire	another|: Looking for this one? https://preview.redd.it/k5xsudsnx0391.png
2022-09-27 16:21:31	another|	403
2022-09-27 16:21:36	Warepire	Ok, that URL didn't copy right..
2022-09-27 16:21:50	Warepire	It was THe Far Side - Recipes for Disaster
2022-09-27 16:25:55	bnason	ok after removing the artix repo I was able to install the package. Thanks for the help.
2022-09-27 16:26:31	Namarrgon	check -Qm for random crap you might have installed from there
2022-09-27 16:27:12	Scimmia	and learn how to actually use the AUR instead of relying on some random repo to install your helper
2022-09-27 16:31:40	segismundo	I just got a wifi card and I'm in a bit of a hurry, what's the easiest visual client to connect to a network? ideally something as easy as pacman -S whatever, opening the GUI, clicking on a network name and entering a password
2022-09-27 16:31:52	rcf	NetworkManager
2022-09-27 16:31:59	MrElendig	segismundo: -Syu networkmanager + whatever gui for it you want
2022-09-27 16:32:20	rcf	Your DE may have support for it built in as well 
2022-09-27 16:34:28	segismundo	my DE is Xfce I think, so I probably want something GTK3
2022-09-27 16:35:36	DigitalKiwi	wpa_supplicant is visual
2022-09-27 16:36:39	another|	debatable
2022-09-27 16:36:43	DigitalKiwi	works from any visual display terminal
2022-09-27 16:36:56	MrElendig	networkmanager applet and connection editor then
2022-09-27 16:37:02	MrElendig	works decently enough in xfce
2022-09-27 16:37:25	rcf	DigitalKiwi: and ed is a very capable visual text editor 
2022-09-27 16:37:27	another|	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NetworkManager#Additional_interfaces
2022-09-27 16:37:29	phrik	Title: NetworkManager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-27 16:37:33	jelle	DigitalKiwi: I mean, might as well use iwd then
2022-09-27 16:37:37	jelle	or nm-tui
2022-09-27 16:37:46	DigitalKiwi	ed is the standard don'tchaknow
2022-09-27 16:38:11	rcf	The point is, if it works on a teletype, it's not visual. 
2022-09-27 16:38:27	another|	so standard that it's not installed on my systems
2022-09-27 16:39:59	segismundo	MrElendig: do I need both applet and connection editor?
2022-09-27 16:40:08	MrElendig	no, but it helps
2022-09-27 16:40:21	rcf	segismundo: the applet is the bit that shows up in the tray for easy access 
2022-09-27 16:40:27	segismundo	oh gotcha
2022-09-27 16:40:37	MrElendig	the applet has a simple connection editor, the standalone one has much more features
2022-09-27 16:40:49	segismundo	thank you a lot folks, it's super helpful
2022-09-27 16:40:58	xx	I have a question about https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Firejail#Hardening_Firejail
2022-09-27 16:40:59	segismundo	I'm gonna put out this fire right now 0/
2022-09-27 16:40:59	phrik	Title: Firejail - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-27 16:41:09	xx	"chmod 4750 /usr/bin/firejail" why 4750 and not 4754?
2022-09-27 16:41:22	xx	does removing the read permission achieve anything? It's a publicly downloadable executable.
2022-09-27 16:41:36	MrElendig	oh, the applet now depends on the connection editor, so pacman will grab it for you anyway
2022-09-27 16:46:00	Warepire	xx: You're making the "others" group unable to read, execute or modify the file, and removing write permissions for "group". It's fairly reasonable permissions
2022-09-27 16:46:43	Warepire	Having "others" able to read certain types of files are sometimes undesirable. Depends on your security requirements
2022-09-27 16:47:09	xx	Warepire: how would not making it readable help anything? Anyone can download the archlinux binary
2022-09-27 16:47:46	xx	that's the difference between 4750 and 4754
2022-09-27 16:47:59	Warepire	A potential attacker doesn't necessarily know that and if there are no read permissions, they can't find that out.
2022-09-27 16:48:18	Warepire	So, depends on your security requirements
2022-09-27 16:48:23	another|	general security principle: only allow what is needed
2022-09-27 16:49:09	xx	well if that principle were to be applied everywhere, then a lot of archlinux executables should not be world-readable because they are only meaningful to root user
2022-09-27 16:49:34	another|	sure
2022-09-27 16:49:40	BrainDamage	sbin is just a symlink to bin in arch
2022-09-27 16:49:41	artefact	back to /sbin
2022-09-27 16:50:01	another|	but you linked to an article about hardening, so…
2022-09-27 16:50:27	xx	I guess
2022-09-27 16:50:41	rcf	xx: it's not really worthwhile, just a bit of desperation to mitigate the dangers of this class of suid executable that gets way out of hand 
2022-09-27 16:51:38	BrainDamage	suid flags should be scrutinized with extreme prejudices, but that's different from "only useful for root"
2022-09-27 16:53:12	rcf	xx: the danger here is that firejail -- by its nature -- makes you root every time you run it. It is far elevated above the danger of any normal executable that only root would normally run. 
2022-09-27 16:54:10	xx	yes, I'm only talking about the last 0 in 4750 or the last 4 in 4754 though
2022-09-27 16:54:17	rcf	xx: so trying to limit who can run it -- and who can even read it, to determine if it is vulnerable in its current state -- becomes slightly more useful than you'd expect. But only slightly. 
2022-09-27 16:54:50	xx	I'd assume that if the attacker knows it's running on arch, then they can also assume it's running whatever version `pacman -Syu firejail` would give
2022-09-27 16:55:08	rcf	That's not always a sure assumption. 
2022-09-27 16:55:23	xx	in which case is it not? self compiled?
2022-09-27 16:55:28	rcf	Old crap systems
2022-09-27 16:55:37	rcf	Not everyone -Syu on a regular basis, even if they should 
2022-09-27 16:56:11	xx	basically I'm trying to establish if setting stuff (not just firejail) 4750 vs 4754 is snakeoil or not
2022-09-27 16:56:21	xx	(or 0750 vs 0754)
2022-09-27 16:56:51	rcf	It's not really snakeoil in a very specific situation. Given the minimal cost of doing it if you're already modifying permissions, why  not 
2022-09-27 16:58:06	another|	rcf: It costs a whole bit!!!! Bit-wise and byte-foolish!!!    /s
2022-09-27 16:58:57	rcf	xx: What makes it very, very, very close to snakeoil, though, is that if someone has a shell, pacman will gladly tell them the version of firejail installed without a second thought. 
2022-09-27 16:59:44	rcf	And if they get a shell as your user, the escalation attack is a done deal regardless of this attempt to mitigate it. 
2022-09-27 16:59:50	xx	yeah
2022-09-27 17:00:23	artefact	i feel like superuser as a concept is kind of moot in today's world
2022-09-27 17:00:57	rcf	So, as a random asshole on the Internet, my judgment is 'this is an suid binary, fuck off pretending it's salvageable' 
2022-09-27 17:09:51	DigitalKiwi	[nix-shell:~]$ nix-store -q --size $(realpathwhich NetworkManager) |  numfmt --from=auto --to=si
2022-09-27 17:09:52	DigitalKiwi	18M
2022-09-27 17:09:54	DigitalKiwi	[nix-shell:~]$ nix-store -q --size $(realpathwhich wpa_supplicant) |  numfmt --from=auto --to=si
2022-09-27 17:09:56	DigitalKiwi	3.7M
2022-09-27 17:10:27	DigitalKiwi	well that settles it NetworkManager > wpa_supplicant
2022-09-27 17:10:31	DigitalKiwi	i rest my case
2022-09-27 17:10:33	DigitalKiwi	;)
2022-09-27 17:12:58	another|	what case? There were clear requirements given. wpa_supplicant alone does not meet them.
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2022-09-27 17:19:26	DigitalKiwi	just that wpa_supplicant would be easier to install without a working network since it only takes 2 floppy disks
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2022-09-27 17:20:14	DigitalKiwi	would need at least 7 for NetworkManager
2022-09-27 17:20:44	another|	a) there was no mention of no working network. b) you still have floppy disks?
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2022-09-27 17:22:31	DigitalKiwi	i don't have an ethernet port on most of my laptops :(
2022-09-27 17:23:01	teraflops	sheldon cooper has his blacklist in a 5 1/4 floppy
2022-09-27 17:23:38	another|	DigitalKiwi: poor purchasing choice IMHO
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2022-09-27 17:24:20	DigitalKiwi	didn't have a choice on any of them lol
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2022-09-27 17:34:00	DigitalKiwi	i do have a superdisk lol
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2022-09-27 17:43:59	another|	so do I
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2022-09-27 17:47:38	MacGyver	Note to self: next ESP needs to be 2GiB.
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2022-09-27 17:48:18	MacGyver	Though come to think of it, now that I understand how to USB boot through the EFI shell it's actually not *that* essential either.
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2022-09-27 17:48:43	BrainDamage	my esp is 256MB of which I use ~600kB
2022-09-27 17:49:00	another|	MacGyver: lots of kernels?
2022-09-27 17:49:31	MacGyver	another|: A mainboard with firmware so crappy it won't enter the boot selection menu or UEFI firmware interface when a USB stick is inserted.
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2022-09-27 17:50:23	MacGyver	So now I have memtest86's EFI executable in the ESP, and I figured, hmm, maybe can do the same thing with a rescue image, be it archiso or Grml.
2022-09-27 17:50:33	MacGyver	But both of those are in the order of 800MiB.
2022-09-27 17:50:55	another|	wdym? you can't enter the menu when usb is in?
2022-09-27 17:51:00	cyphertite	my ESP is 100 MiB, from which I can launch 4 different (encrypted /) OSes - including the (often) despised Win 11 Pro ;p
2022-09-27 17:51:03	MacGyver	The boot hangs.
2022-09-27 17:51:18	MacGyver	Y'know, when you press F11 or F2 to enter the boot selection or UEFI setup.
2022-09-27 17:51:29	MacGyver	It just hangs on IDE population or something like that.
2022-09-27 17:51:34	another|	urg
2022-09-27 17:51:40	another|	updates?
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2022-09-27 17:52:54	MacGyver	I'm considering it but otoh, like I said, it works when taking the route via the EFI shell so...
2022-09-27 17:53:27	MacGyver	I'd only be screwed if the ESP gets corrupted and then I can always take out the disk and modify it remotely.
2022-09-27 17:54:17	MacGyver	The BIOS update release notes don't imply this would be fixed.
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2022-09-27 18:05:32	Abdullah	I have a question, what we can do with for loop that we can't do with while loop, and what we can do with while loop, that we can't do with for loop?
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2022-09-27 18:06:00	artefact	sir, this is #archlinux
2022-09-27 18:06:34	Psi-Jack	Abdullah: Sounds loopy.
2022-09-27 18:08:22	Abdullah	Psi-Jack: I was asked this question, and also they said, you shouldn't answer that we can do iteration in one, not in other.
2022-09-27 18:08:25	another|	in general a for loop can be 
2022-09-27 18:08:35	another|	in general a for loop can be built with a while
2022-09-27 18:08:37	MacGyver	In theory, nothing.
2022-09-27 18:08:47	MacGyver	In practice, depends heavily on the language.
2022-09-27 18:09:05	Abdullah	MacGyver: Java language...
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2022-09-27 18:09:24	Psi-Jack	Abdullah: Uh huh. Sounds like some kind of weird homework?
2022-09-27 18:09:37	another|	for and foreach can be seen as a special case of while AFAIK
2022-09-27 18:09:54	artefact	in the end, it's all jmp
2022-09-27 18:09:59	MacGyver	Well for one thing there's no such thing as an enhanced while loop.
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2022-09-27 18:10:29	another|	artefact: and yet I have not seen my CPU move upwards..
2022-09-27 18:10:34	MacGyver	But it's all syntactic sugar for lambda calculus.
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2022-09-27 18:11:33	another|	MacGyver: Sugar is evil! 
2022-09-27 18:11:58	another|	think of your cholestoral
2022-09-27 18:12:08	MacGyver	If I were to give a useful answer that's also somewhat true across languages: in the for-loop, both the loop's stop-condition *and* mutation of stop condition are encoded in the loop preamble; in a while loop, the loop body is responsible for making the stop condition true.
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2022-09-27 18:12:53	artefact	defile while(x) for(;x;)
2022-09-27 18:13:00	artefact	*#define
2022-09-27 18:13:13	nshp	what about a good old for (;;)?
2022-09-27 18:14:30	MacGyver	Yes, yes, because of the equivalence you *can* express pretty much all while-constructs in a for-construct in pretty much all languages.
2022-09-27 18:14:38	MacGyver	I said it's *somewhat* true.
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2022-09-27 18:26:49	vasuvi	I have a Keychron K2 keyboard, and I can pair it just fine , but it will then never reconnect unless I manually remove it and then pair it again.  Any idea what's going wrong with it?  (FWIW, it works fine on my Mac Mini and even my Raspberry Pi, so it's not the keyboard or Linux itself that's the problem.)
2022-09-27 18:27:06	vasuvi	I'm using KDE if it helps.
2022-09-27 18:29:53	vasuvi	Oh, and the error message when I try to manually click "connect" again is "br-connection-create-socket"
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2022-09-27 18:30:37	Psi-Jack	vasuvi: I have a Keychron K1, and K8. Never an issue.
2022-09-27 18:31:09	Psi-Jack	Mostly I have it on a wired connection, but I use the bleutooth mode sometimes with 3 laptops.
2022-09-27 18:32:13	vasuvi	Psi-Jack: Very odd; I wonder what's different between your configuration and mine.
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2022-09-27 18:32:55	Psi-Jack	Likely just what's providing your bluetooth hardware itself.
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2022-09-27 18:33:34	teraflops	vasuvi: what did you use to pair/trust the keyb, bluetoothctl?
2022-09-27 18:33:59	Psi-Jack	That, and I don't use KDE. 
2022-09-27 18:34:13	Psi-Jack	But that, in this case, should be a minimal point of interest specifically.
2022-09-27 18:34:29	teraflops	I'd remove,pair,trust,connect again
2022-09-27 18:34:54	karthy	During boot i get error "can't start netctl profile for enp4s0" and it stalls i have removed all the profiles but error shows up even after thet, send help.
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2022-09-27 18:35:27	MrElendig	disable/remove the systemd services too
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2022-09-27 18:35:45	vasuvi	teraflops: trying that now, to see if that works any better.  I have just been using the interface in KDE's systemsettings otherwise.
2022-09-27 18:35:46	karthy	MrElendig: what service should i remove
2022-09-27 18:36:47	karthy	sorry i am a bit noob its fine if you can point me to a documentation page MrElendig 
2022-09-27 18:37:23	MrElendig	find /etc/systemd/system/ -name netctl or whatever
2022-09-27 18:37:23	teraflops	I have a bt one too (melgeek mojo 68) and never had such issue
2022-09-27 18:37:25	vasuvi	teraflops: nope, same problem with bluetoothctl: I get "Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed br-connection-create-socket" when I try to manually reconnect with it, and of course still no luck auto-reconnecting.
2022-09-27 18:37:28	Psi-Jack	karthy: newbie, not noob. If you were a noob, we'd likely not be helping. 🙂
2022-09-27 18:38:52	MrElendig	or systemctl list-units and find all the netctl ones that are active and do systemctl disable --now on them
2022-09-27 18:39:12	MrElendig	and then remove netctl and never install it again :)
2022-09-27 18:39:15	teraflops	vasuvi: is the journal ok when it fails? does it segfault or anything wonky there?
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2022-09-27 18:39:38	karthy	you don't necommend netctl MrElendig ?
2022-09-27 18:39:52	MrElendig	!netctl
2022-09-27 18:39:54	phrik	Users having issues with netctl are advised to try alternatives such as systemd-networkd, NetworkManager, or connman.
2022-09-27 18:39:56	teraflops	yeah use something saner and better maintained I guess
2022-09-27 18:39:58	MrElendig	its basically dead
2022-09-27 18:40:02	Psi-Jack	Heh. 
2022-09-27 18:40:15	Psi-Jack	I've only heard of connman, where'd that one come from?
2022-09-27 18:40:32	teraflops	conman the barbarian that's a movie
2022-09-27 18:40:38	MrElendig	Psi-Jack: about 15 years ago when there was no good alternatives
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2022-09-27 18:41:04	Psi-Jack	So basically now the bottom feeder of the bunch.
2022-09-27 18:41:15	MrElendig	so some dude wrote netcfg, which was later abandoned and then readopted and renamed as netctl
2022-09-27 18:41:25	karthy	then why does it come installed in my pc
2022-09-27 18:41:29	MrElendig	which have basically been abandoned for a few years now too
2022-09-27 18:41:36	karthy	i dont remember installing it
2022-09-27 18:41:37	MrElendig	karthy: because you installed it at some point
2022-09-27 18:41:38	teraflops	it doesn karthy 
2022-09-27 18:41:43	karthy	oh
2022-09-27 18:41:45	karthy	my bad
2022-09-27 18:42:04	MrElendig	though if it is a really old install then it used to be in base iirc
2022-09-27 18:42:32	MrElendig	(but of course not *enabled* out of the box)
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2022-09-27 18:44:05	karthy	why doesnt netctl stop-all fix the problem i am asking just outta curiosity
2022-09-27 18:44:15	MrElendig	or you are using some fork of arch which happens to use netctl out of teh box
2022-09-27 18:44:26	vasuvi	teraflops: good idea; yeah, bluetoothd does show some errors in the journal: https://pastebin.com/ijJQu89j
2022-09-27 18:44:27	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o4zH.vL3vJOdk
2022-09-27 18:44:28	phrik	Title: Bluetooth Connection Error - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-09-27 18:44:33	MrElendig	karthy: because its been abandoned for years :p
2022-09-27 18:44:50	karthy	i see
2022-09-27 18:45:21	MrElendig	karthy: also stop-all doesn't disable the profiles
2022-09-27 18:45:30	MrElendig	so they will start again at boot
2022-09-27 18:46:16	teraflops	vasuvi: did you remove the device and run the process of pair/trust/connect again? mainly the trust part
2022-09-27 18:46:44	MrElendig	karthy: its similar to systemctl stop vs disable
2022-09-27 18:46:51	karthy	what do i do then
2022-09-27 18:47:13	karthy	oh ingore me
2022-09-27 18:47:17	vasuvi	teraflops: yeah, several times.  in fact, that's the only way I can get the keyboard to work again.
2022-09-27 18:47:25	teraflops	hmm
2022-09-27 18:47:25	karthy	i understoon
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2022-09-27 18:47:49	vasuvi	now at least I have another error I can google and see if anybody else has solved it
2022-09-27 18:51:02	teraflops	vasuvi: does the keyboard allow to pair with several devices?
2022-09-27 18:51:41	teraflops	e.g mine supports 8 devices so there's a key i have to press plus a number for each device to pair with
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2022-09-27 18:52:11	karthy	ok i removed them i am going to reboot
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2022-09-27 18:52:36	vasuvi	teraflops: yes, that's one of the reasons I got it!  It pairs with 3 devices; you just press fn-<number> to switch amongst them, and hold that down for 3 seconds to initiate pairing.
2022-09-27 18:52:58	Psi-Jack	Yep.
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2022-09-27 18:53:14	Psi-Jack	And it can be in mac or pc hardware layout.
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2022-09-27 18:53:26	teraflops	then maybe the workflow is what is not ok, here I just press btkey + 1 to connect to linux, btkey+2 to connect to macos etc
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2022-09-27 18:54:22	teraflops	ouch I'm so slow reading messages, sorry
2022-09-27 18:57:04	Psi-Jack	Is it that painful?
2022-09-27 18:58:05	teraflops	it's a way of speaking
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2022-09-28 11:03:04	jmariondev	are they sound-related winetricks? I wonder if it's twiddling with sound settings (likely via PA?)
2022-09-28 11:03:19	Hylden	No, it was dotnet48 to be more precise
2022-09-28 11:03:47	HEX0	Hylden: maybe related https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#Changing_the_default_sample_rate
2022-09-28 11:03:48	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-28 11:04:26	Hylden	Anyway, it's a relatively minor inconvenience which is gone now
2022-09-28 11:12:35	jmariondev	hmm, and you're sure it's not CPU contention (100%) while running the tricks script?
2022-09-28 11:13:24	jmariondev	That's the only time I've had issues, running 100% of all cores when there's truly not enough CPU time to go around (could probably be fixed by tweaking the scheduler or something)
2022-09-28 11:15:38	Hylden	jmariondev: my awesomewm CPU widget showed 20% most of the time
2022-09-28 11:17:01	jmariondev	oh, which apps had ERRs in pw-top, or was it all of them?
2022-09-28 11:17:14	jmariondev	(you mentioned mpv but it's not clear if it was only mpv)
2022-09-28 11:17:43	Hylden	jmariondev: just mpv "44   1102  44100  21.0us  59.2us  0.00  0.00  818    F32LE 2 44100  + PipeWire ALSA [mpv]"
2022-09-28 11:17:49	Hylden	818 errors
2022-09-28 11:18:23	jmariondev	aha, yeah it must be how mpv sets up its sound. you wouldn't happen to have the mpv warning/error text do you ?
2022-09-28 11:19:39	Hylden	I dunno, I also have custom-compiled kernel and packages with -march=native and other tweaks
2022-09-28 11:19:49	Hylden	My setup is far from typical
2022-09-28 11:23:31	Ennea	can you reliably reproduce your issue, Hylden? i'm curious if i could, too
2022-09-28 11:24:41	Hylden	Ennea: seems to act up whenever doing something mildly IO-intensive with wine, I think?
2022-09-28 11:24:56	Hylden	mpv was being used on a youtube video, though
2022-09-28 11:25:11	HEX0	Hylden: try zen kernel I guess
2022-09-28 11:25:45	Hylden	HEX0: I'm already using -xanmod
2022-09-28 11:26:01	Ennea	can't reproduce it, but my wine stuff may not produce enough IO load
2022-09-28 11:26:11	HEX0	Hylden: does it get worse with normal kernel?
2022-09-28 11:26:12	Ennea	i don't really have anything in wine right now that would
2022-09-28 11:27:03	Hylden	Ennea: as I said, my setup is very abnormal and might be some tweak or might be pulseaudio/pipewire's fault
2022-09-28 11:29:32	Ennea	right. was just trying to see if i could reproduce it also, may have helped the solving process ;)
2022-09-28 11:35:02	Hylden	Ennea: it happens on my laptop as well. Same scenario with winetricks and mpv for some odd reason.
2022-09-28 11:36:02	Ennea	youtube video in mpv again, though?
2022-09-28 11:36:11	Hylden	Yes
2022-09-28 11:36:21	Ennea	winetricks is also downloading a ton of stuff. it might be download related, not strictly IO?
2022-09-28 11:36:32	Ennea	is winetricks maxing out your downstream?
2022-09-28 11:37:17	Hylden	Nope, definitely not network-related
2022-09-28 12:35:08	Strykar	Is there a list of most updated Community apps? Surely, Shellcheck, with its Haskell deps is in the top few
2022-09-28 12:35:48	Namarrgon	"community apps"?
2022-09-28 12:37:16	jelle	Strykar: we theoratically have that info, but it's not shown no
2022-09-28 12:53:13	vardo	Hello. Now I get something that looks like dmesg output in ttys in real time and interlaced with regular stdout, how do I stop this?
2022-09-28 12:53:49	vardo	I don't suppose "dmesg -ewL" I was asked to type in a GNOME TERMINAL before I exit gnome would do that?
2022-09-28 12:54:33	psychotron	can I use zram on x220?
2022-09-28 12:54:49	psychotron	thinkpad x220
2022-09-28 12:55:16	psychotron	does it burn the ram?
2022-09-28 12:55:22	Namarrgon	vardo: no. what is being printed?
2022-09-28 12:55:32	Namarrgon	psychotron: you could, but should you?
2022-09-28 12:55:46	psychotron	I am not sure
2022-09-28 12:55:57	psychotron	I got 8GB memory
2022-09-28 12:57:24	vardo	Namarrgon, it looks like every event in the system is being printed
2022-09-28 12:57:31	Namarrgon	what kind of event?
2022-09-28 12:57:42	psychotron	Namarrgon: I just put the zram-tools on raspi3b so Ithought I'd try it on this laptop?
2022-09-28 12:58:02	Namarrgon	why don't you try it?
2022-09-28 12:58:44	psychotron	I got the zram on now
2022-09-28 12:58:50	vardo	Namarrgon, it starts with a timestamp then "audit:" then type, pid, uid, and other stuff
2022-09-28 12:59:36	Namarrgon	what else did you do besides running 'dmesg -ewL'?
2022-09-28 13:00:27	Namarrgon	Strykar: expac -S "%v %n" | cut -d'-' -f2- | sort -n
2022-09-28 13:01:13	vardo	Namarrgon, yeah I forgot to mention I killed everything using a alt+sysreq+t
2022-09-28 13:01:26	Namarrgon	did you reboot after that?
2022-09-28 13:01:33	dfriehs	according to man dmesg 'dmesg -E' enables printing to console, if you ran that by mistake you should be able to turn it off by running 'dmesg -D'
2022-09-28 13:02:25	vardo	Namarrgon, no I didn't reboot
2022-09-28 13:02:39	vardo	dfriehs, I didn't type that but I can try -D
2022-09-28 13:03:37	vardo	It seems it did the trick, I don't see those messages anymore
2022-09-28 13:03:43	vardo	Thanks
2022-09-28 13:04:20	vardo	Alt+SysRq+e, not t
2022-09-28 13:04:26	vardo	That's the sequence I used
2022-09-28 13:04:34	Namarrgon	and why?
2022-09-28 13:05:09	vardo	Just to try it after I had to use +t to kill the process that was freezing my computer
2022-09-28 13:05:16	vardo	As an experiment
2022-09-28 13:06:21	vardo	Would this lead to kernel log in tty?
2022-09-28 13:09:12	Namarrgon	"t" doesn't kill any process, if kernel.org is to be believed
2022-09-28 13:09:24	Namarrgon	what does "sysctl kernel.sysrq" return?
2022-09-28 13:09:44	vardo	I said I was wrong, I typed '+e' not '+t'
2022-09-28 13:10:09	vardo	And it did kill everything including gnome
2022-09-28 13:23:07	grawity	the dmesg command exited as soon as gnome-terminal was closed
2022-09-28 13:23:25	grawity	but the same kernel logs that are seen in dmesg *also* go to ttys by default
2022-09-28 13:23:32	grawity	though only higher priority ones
2022-09-28 13:24:08	grawity	so it's normal to see e.g. warning or error messages in a tty
2022-09-28 13:24:40	grawity	some of the alt+sysrq keys actually control the log level, I think arch default is 4 (info) so alt+sysrq+4 should set that
2022-09-28 13:24:47	grawity	as would `dmesg --console-level 4`
2022-09-28 13:37:33	Strykar	Namarrgon: thanks, Haskell by far looks like
2022-09-28 14:40:52	susi	does yours firefox from repo complain about missing resource://gre/modules/UpdateListener.jsm, or is it just me?
2022-09-28 14:41:37	Namarrgon	do you run it in some sandbox?
2022-09-28 14:41:43	susi	nope
2022-09-28 14:42:30	kek_	hi
2022-09-28 14:42:36	cent	hi
2022-09-28 14:42:45	susi	hi
2022-09-28 14:43:06	cent	My Lenovo optical mouse does NOT work upon plugging in.
2022-09-28 14:43:18	astralc	did it updated and you need to restart it?
2022-09-28 14:43:24	cent	lsusb can "see:
2022-09-28 14:43:24	jelle	!kernelcheck
2022-09-28 14:43:25	phrik	compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2022-09-28 14:43:35	Namarrgon	susi: where do you see that? stdout?
2022-09-28 14:43:53	Namarrgon	or stderr?
2022-09-28 14:43:57	kek_	I try to run juypter notebooks with python3.9 but I have python3.10 on my system. Running "!python -V" in the notebook when I start it from a venv tells me 3.9 but "sys.executable" points to "/usr/bin/python" which is 3.10. Anyone knows how I can fix that? From what I gathered, it might be an issue "with arch"? 
2022-09-28 14:44:16	susi	Namarrgon: stderr
2022-09-28 14:46:09	cent	kek_, Jupyter may also start a "kernel". That is sort of a profile where you can tell which python to start.
2022-09-28 14:46:54	kek_	cent I tried that and was under the impression I did it right, after googling I saw someone speculating it's some arch thing. Currently retrying that. :) thanks tho
2022-09-28 14:47:30	cent	If i come across the config we use at my customer I'll pos.
2022-09-28 14:47:37	cent	post
2022-09-28 14:49:03	MrElendig	is there is no response at all in lsusb, then it sounds like some hardware issue
2022-09-28 14:50:55	cent	MrElendig, no. lsusb displays it: "Bus 001 Device 035: ID 17ef:608d Lenovo Optical Mouse"
2022-09-28 14:51:13	cent	Uven the journalctl show the proper activity
2022-09-28 14:51:14	another|	!kernelcheck
2022-09-28 14:51:14	phrik	compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2022-09-28 14:51:35	cent	kernel 5.19.10
2022-09-28 14:52:09	astralc	same for all three?
2022-09-28 14:52:47	cent	I recovered my laptop from a major trouble upon upgrade. Laptop froze and had to be switched off. I had to reinstall grub & kernel to boot normally.
2022-09-28 14:53:12	another|	that doesn't answer the question
2022-09-28 14:53:36	cent	another|, no, but may give a clue :)
2022-09-28 14:53:45	cent	!kernelcheck
2022-09-28 14:53:45	phrik	compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2022-09-28 14:53:51	astralc	also, it is not the latest kernel
2022-09-28 14:54:06	cent	OK. let me compare then.
2022-09-28 14:54:44	cent	pacman: 5.19.11 
2022-09-28 14:55:00	cent	I may have forgotten to reboot :)
2022-09-28 14:55:04	another|	I completely unrelated news: I just fixed my mic-led by creating a systemd-tmpfile :)
2022-09-28 14:55:06	cent	See you in a while
2022-09-28 14:55:25	another|	s/I/In/
2022-09-28 15:12:47	uuidNuniq	another|: /s^I/In/
2022-09-28 15:12:54	uuidNuniq	another|: s/^I/In/
2022-09-28 15:13:57	ringo__	!paste
2022-09-28 15:13:58	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-09-28 15:18:29	another|	uuidNuniq: hmm.. right, could have used beginning of line
2022-09-28 15:21:09	susi	but it's case-sensitive, so it does not need it in this case? there's just one 'I'
2022-09-28 15:22:16	astralc	there are 2 I's
2022-09-28 15:22:52	susi	oh rite, there is, sorry :)
2022-09-28 15:24:09	Scimmia	but since there's no 'g' at the end, it doesn't matter
2022-09-28 15:24:56	Scimmia	depending on just what's interpreting it
2022-09-28 15:25:58	astralc	!regex
2022-09-28 15:25:58	phrik	astralc: regex <an alias on #archlinux, 3 arguments>
2022-09-28 16:11:11	jdarnley	lol I think I just stubled onto a bug and that someone else does see what I see https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=458399
2022-09-28 17:47:12	moviuro	on kernel 5.15.70-1-lts, all my network interfaces changed names (enp5s0 -> eno1 ; wlp2s0 -> wlan0). This is causing undue delay upon startup (failing to wait for /proc/whatever/wlp2s0 to appear). systemd-networkd was told to use `NamePolicy=path onboard` in /etc/systemd/networkd/00-default.link
2022-09-28 17:47:26	moviuro	How do I switch back to enpXsN names?
2022-09-28 17:48:15	gaku	delete that file that is not normal?
2022-09-28 17:48:39	gaku	afaik, nothing is supposed to add junk in that path by default on arch, that's the "for system administrators"
2022-09-28 17:48:43	moviuro	-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 59 Oct 18  2015 /etc/systemd/network/00-default.link # something went wrong
2022-09-28 17:50:10	gaku	nvm, i misunderstood
2022-09-28 18:02:38	tasty	has anyone successfully compiled python 2 [AUR]? It's failing on two separate machines of mine
2022-09-28 18:05:56	Namarrgon	what is the problem?
2022-09-28 18:10:36	RingtailedFox	how interchangable are archlinux and manjaro in terms of packages? is it like CentOS and Fedora were, where if a program's available for one, but not hte other, i can just use the package for it and it'll work?
2022-09-28 18:10:51	jelle	not interchangeable
2022-09-28 18:11:13	RingtailedFox	ahh, okie. thanks.
2022-09-28 18:11:58	jelle	as manjaro freezes there packages, nothing can be said
2022-09-28 18:13:12	⚡ 	RingtailedFox nods
2022-09-28 18:23:38	moviuro	that 00-default.link file was missing an "adequate" [Match] section (which is new)
2022-09-28 18:35:00	hquake	What do people use to stay on top of news with regards to (potentially) breaking changes and updates? Lurking here? Using the archlinux.org RSS feed? Checking the forums? Just running pacman -Syu and reacting when something breaks as was my usual approach back in the day? :-?
2022-09-28 18:35:14	mpan	RSS
2022-09-28 18:35:36	cedb	theres mailling lists
2022-09-28 18:35:51	sheep	I use the arch-announce mailing list, but I suppose RSS could work
2022-09-28 18:36:35	MrElendig	tasty: and why do you need py2?
2022-09-28 18:38:50	tasty	tbh, i don't remember. my arch systems are legacy(not the right word, I don't use the systems daily for production stuff is what I mean), so I don't remember what py2 is a dep for on them. I use void/fedora
2022-09-28 18:39:11	tasty	entering googlable territory, but is there a pacman option set that can help me figure out what it's a dep for?
2022-09-28 18:40:15	mpan	tasty: `pacman -Qi python2` for direct dependencies. You may try `pactree -r python2` (from pacman-contrib) for a complete tree.
2022-09-28 18:41:46	mpan	Also simply removing python2 will make pacman yell at you and tell you what is the direct dependency.
2022-09-28 18:42:43	Sout_	that is assuming packman install the packages (cough not pip or aur, but that is the issue with those)
2022-09-28 18:43:41	Chargen	ola
2022-09-28 18:44:20	MrElendig	tasty: pacman -Rcs python2 and just see what it complains abou
2022-09-28 18:44:32	MrElendig	most likely nothing important
2022-09-28 18:45:26	tasty	performed mpan's recs, read the outputs, didn't see anything I care about, performed MrElendig's command, problem solved. Very helpful, thanks to both
2022-09-28 18:45:48	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-09-28 18:46:02	tasty	detaching now
2022-09-28 18:46:35	MrElendig	don't forget to take care of your pacnew files
2022-09-28 18:46:38	MrElendig	tasty: ^
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2022-09-28 18:50:05	Psi-Jack	pacdiff FTW! 🙂
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2022-09-28 19:02:03	alad	hquake: read forums for common breakage
2022-09-28 19:02:15	alad	it's all you can do since arch has zero packages with changelogs included
2022-09-28 19:02:29	alad	and testing is limited
2022-09-28 19:02:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-09-28 19:07:27	snowinmytea	So I recently set up tpm2-tss to store my SSH keys, it acts as a PKCS11 .so file and it's nice. The only downside is that Thunar (which uses gio to mount sftp) when calling ssh does not use PKCS11. Any recommendations?
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2022-09-28 19:10:08	Psi-Jack	Yeah. Don'
2022-09-28 19:10:11	◥	bn_work (uid268505@id-268505.uxbridge.irccloud.com) has joined #archlinux
2022-09-28 19:10:13	Psi-Jack	Don't use that? 😉
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2022-09-28 19:11:52	snowinmytea	work's switching to a pkcs11 based setup and i quite like it honestly
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2022-09-28 19:13:26	Psi-Jack	Eh, it hass its downsides.
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2022-09-28 19:15:18	snowinmytea	are there like any ways to pass arguments to ssh when gio/gvfs calls it?
2022-09-28 19:16:02	◣	skipwich (~skipwich@user/skipwich) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-09-28 19:16:16	snowinmytea	or switch thunar's sftp option to use something else
2022-09-28 19:17:49	Psi-Jack	Well, that's not thunar's, that's actually Gnome's gvfsd/gio, and no.
2022-09-28 19:18:07	BrainDamage	you can always mount things manually
2022-09-28 19:18:34	snowinmytea	i had not thought of manually mounting it
2022-09-28 19:18:39	snowinmytea	that will work
2022-09-28 19:18:42	snowinmytea	thank you
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2022-09-28 19:20:08	snowinmytea	is sshfs still the recommended program to do that? i've checked its repo and it says it's abandoned and looking for a new maintainer
2022-09-28 19:20:23	Psi-Jack	Yeah, systemd automount could do, seems a bit overkill but hey. 🙂
2022-09-28 19:20:45	Psi-Jack	Heh, likely sshfs will get a new maintainer, we'll see. 
2022-09-28 19:21:43	Psi-Jack	Locally I use SMBv3 with enforced encryption enabled. because it's fast and reliable for on-demand use.
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2022-09-28 19:22:48	snowinmytea	aight take care thanks
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2022-09-28 19:25:21	Psi-Jack	Now was that white snow, or yellow snow? 😉
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2022-09-28 19:30:54	teraflops	don't eat the yellow slow
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2022-09-28 19:31:08	Warepire	teraflops: But, it might be beer ...
2022-09-28 19:31:15	teraflops	that's a Frank Zappa song ;)
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2022-09-28 19:34:22	Psi-Jack	hahah
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2022-09-28 19:36:16	bblinky	Yo, not really sure if this is specifically arch related as much as just neerd related, but here goes:
2022-09-28 19:36:41	◣	hquake (~psikker@user/psikker) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-09-28 19:36:58	bblinky	Can you guys recommend a hosting provider in the same price range as netcup.eu but who allows nested virtualisation?
2022-09-28 19:37:13	bblinky	(or galls)
2022-09-28 19:37:24	Psi-Jack	What the heck? Why are you even asking here?
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2022-09-28 19:38:23	◣	flower_ (~archie@217-123-218-6.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
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2022-09-28 19:38:43	⚡ 	Psi-Jack rolls his eyes. "Not even arch related at all."
2022-09-28 19:38:45	bblinky	And because people in here's usually opininated on stuff like that
2022-09-28 19:38:57	bblinky	I'll go ask offtopic tho
2022-09-28 19:39:01	bblinky	Sorry
2022-09-28 19:39:04	Psi-Jack	Yeah, ##networking, I believe, or maybe aot?
2022-09-28 19:39:20	bblinky	k, thx
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2022-09-28 19:39:38	bea	that's not really an opinion as much as you are just asking someone to be the search engine for you
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2022-09-28 19:41:03	Psi-Jack	Exactly
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2022-09-28 19:42:34	bblinky	Fair enough, I will go ask the robot
2022-09-28 19:42:50	bea	good luck :)
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2022-09-28 19:43:31	karthy	my bluetooth is soft blocked rkill doesnt work help
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2022-09-28 19:43:53	Psi-Jack	How do you know then, it's "softblocked?"
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2022-09-28 19:44:17	karthy	ii ment when i did rfkill unblock all it doesnt work
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2022-09-28 19:44:55	Psi-Jack	Have you checked your kernel logs for bluetooth related logs abuot this device?
2022-09-28 19:45:21	◣	Balzy (~Balzy@host-95-249-93-237.retail.telecomitalia.it) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2022-09-28 19:45:40	karthy	do i jusst grep dmesg for bluetooth?
2022-09-28 19:46:22	teraflops	bblinky: if the vps is KVM powered my guess is that it will allow nested virtualization
2022-09-28 19:46:35	Psi-Jack	That's a start, maybe grep -i bluetooth, so it catches those Bluetooth ones too.
2022-09-28 19:46:43	◥	shan (~shantaram@cyblog/maintainer/shan) has joined #archlinux
2022-09-28 19:46:56	shan	anyone have any tips for updating an arch system that hasn't been updated in over a year
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2022-09-28 19:47:06	Psi-Jack	Guranteed you'll get a few more terms to grep for.
2022-09-28 19:47:17	Psi-Jack	shan: Yes. One. *SLAP*
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2022-09-28 19:47:44	Psi-Jack	And read the arch news blog for the past year.
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2022-09-28 19:48:08	Warepire	And have a pacman-static as a backup, just in case.
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2022-09-28 19:48:33	Psi-Jack	Well, have backups, period.
2022-09-28 19:48:57	Warepire	Of course, but in case of unexpected errors during updates that might render the system ... in between.
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2022-09-28 19:49:13	shan	Psi-Jack: meh im getting a new ssd and reinstalling anyway
2022-09-28 19:49:19	shan	this is just for practice i suppose
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2022-09-28 19:49:35	Psi-Jack	...
2022-09-28 19:49:43	karthy	Psi-Jack: https://termbin.com/nexe here it says failed
2022-09-28 19:50:10	teraflops	there is arch linux archive, set the repos to 6 motnhs ago, then Syu and then go for the other six months ;)
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2022-09-28 19:50:20	shan	lmao
2022-09-28 19:50:21	shan	nice
2022-09-28 19:50:57	Psi-Jack	karthy: Yep, looks like it's not softblocked, but hardblocked, because it's, well, failing. 
2022-09-28 19:51:02	teraflops	the pacman static is a good advice btw
2022-09-28 19:51:20	◣	gulzar (~gulzar@103.195.203.55) ha salido (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
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2022-09-28 19:51:41	shan	gotcha
2022-09-28 19:51:47	Psi-Jack	karthy: grep hci0
2022-09-28 19:51:57	BrainDamage	busybox too
2022-09-28 19:52:11	BrainDamage	busybox gives you a shitty static shell and other stuff that's better than nothing
2022-09-28 19:52:30	BrainDamage	I install busybox and pacman-static in every machine I can because I can recover almost everything
2022-09-28 19:52:59	karthy	Psi-Jack: https://termbin.com/pn6x anything i can do?
2022-09-28 19:53:43	Psi-Jack	karthy: lsusb | grep Bluetooth  -- Anything there to help identify it?
2022-09-28 19:53:46	◣	apophys (~apophys@kubikmilan.sk) ha salido (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in)
2022-09-28 19:54:14	Psi-Jack	It's broadcom crap, so likely you'll need a firmware blob to use it./
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2022-09-28 19:54:49	karthy	it worked before i switched to connman and this happened
2022-09-28 19:54:54	bblinky	teraflops: I called their hotline today and asked, they don't have anything that supports virtualization... Supposedly, so now I'm looking for a new provider
2022-09-28 19:55:19	karthy	dont know how wifi software mess with bluetooth Psi-Jack 
2022-09-28 19:55:22	Psi-Jack	Heh, switched TO connman? From what?
2022-09-28 19:55:29	karthy	netctl
2022-09-28 19:55:38	⚡ 	Psi-Jack cringes.
2022-09-28 19:55:50	Psi-Jack	SO you went from one obsoleted thing to one nearly obsoleted?
2022-09-28 19:55:55	Psi-Jack	heh
2022-09-28 19:56:07	karthy	lol
2022-09-28 19:56:14	Psi-Jack	So, I still need lsusb output as asked. 
2022-09-28 19:56:24	karthy	oh sec
2022-09-28 19:56:46	◣	Visne (~Visne@178-85-195-98.dynamic.upc.nl) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-09-28 19:56:50	Psi-Jack	And I know nothing about connman, except that I wouldn't recommend or use it..
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2022-09-28 19:57:23	Psi-Jack	I'd be more inclined to recommend NetworkManager and Bluez
2022-09-28 19:57:31	karthy	whaat do you recomend
2022-09-28 19:57:52	teraflops	karthy: dude use NM or IWD
2022-09-28 19:58:26	karthy	ok
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2022-09-28 19:59:25	karthy	Psi-Jack: blank output
2022-09-28 19:59:51	Psi-Jack	lsusb, paste that so I can look more completely then./
2022-09-28 20:01:02	karthy	https://termbin.com/pn6x
2022-09-28 20:01:15	Psi-Jack	Huh?
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2022-09-28 20:01:28	karthy	https://termbin.com/pn6x
2022-09-28 20:01:34	Psi-Jack	This is not lsusb output.
2022-09-28 20:01:42	karthy	no sorry
2022-09-28 20:01:46	karthy	mis click
2022-09-28 20:02:12	karthy	this --> https://termbin.com/rua1
2022-09-28 20:02:39	Psi-Jack	Hmmm.. It's not on USB bus? That's unusual. Is this a desktop or laptop?
2022-09-28 20:02:49	karthy	laptop
2022-09-28 20:02:57	◣	MattMadness (~d3m0nm4dn@user/mattmadness) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2022-09-28 20:03:14	Psi-Jack	OKay, guess we'll have to check the PCI bus. lspci
2022-09-28 20:03:17	teraflops	bblinky: I can only speak of what I use, I've been using a KVM vps for 4 years w/o issues on Inception Hosting, about the price idk how it is compared to other providers but the quality of the service is golden
2022-09-28 20:05:32	karthy	Psi-Jack: https://termbin.com/9q2m <------there
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2022-09-28 20:06:52	Psi-Jack	Hmmm. I... do not see a single bluetooth adapter in that system.
2022-09-28 20:07:38	shan	OK PHEW ITS WORKING
2022-09-28 20:07:44	karthy	well it cant go into thin air
2022-09-28 20:08:28	Warepire	If it's hardware disabled, could it be powered down while ACPI still says it's there? (this can be the case with device trees on embedded systems)
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2022-09-28 20:09:50	karthy	Psi-Jack: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6200 has bluetooth
2022-09-28 20:10:12	Psi-Jack	Yes, it does, but it's generally a seperate device, along with WiFi being one device, Bluetooth being another.
2022-09-28 20:10:49	Psi-Jack	Often times Intel will provide the Bluetooth iself over a USB bus, despite being on a PCI, PCIe or mPCIe.
2022-09-28 20:10:53	teraflops	karthy: do you do dual boot with windows?
2022-09-28 20:10:58	karthy	no
2022-09-28 20:11:06	⚡ 	Psi-Jack claps
2022-09-28 20:11:07	Psi-Jack	Yay! 😀
2022-09-28 20:11:39	DeepDayze	Pure Linux machines rock
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2022-09-28 20:12:09	Warepire	Another thing: If the bluetooth device crashed, it might not enumerate properly anymore. Which might be fixed by powering the laptop off (including removing the battery) and letting it sit for a while (hour?). Then putting it back together and start again.
2022-09-28 20:12:11	DeepDayze	I do remember the old ndiswrapper days for those old wifi cards that only had windows drivers
2022-09-28 20:12:43	Psi-Jack	DeepDayze: Never EVER speak of that again! 🙂
2022-09-28 20:12:50	◣	JackWinter (~jack@vodsl-9268.vo.lu) ha salido (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2022-09-28 20:12:56	karthy	i tried that buddy no luck i didnt wait for an hour tho
2022-09-28 20:13:05	DeepDayze	Ya I know...Linux came a long way since those bad old days Psi-Jack 
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2022-09-28 20:13:29	karthy	Psi-Jack: whats the next plan of action
2022-09-28 20:13:37	DeepDayze	Nowadays don't need those sort of hacks as most new cards pretty much work
2022-09-28 20:13:46	Psi-Jack	I'm looking that up, karthy, see if I can find something.
2022-09-28 20:13:54	teraflops	no monitor mode with ndiswrapper
2022-09-28 20:14:03	teraflops	no fun
2022-09-28 20:14:06	DeepDayze	right
2022-09-28 20:14:36	DeepDayze	the bad old days were sure a bang head on desk
2022-09-28 20:14:40	Psi-Jack	karthy: But based on your dmesg outputs, that Centrino Advanced-N 6200 does NOT provide bluetooth, because Intel doesn't use Broadcom.
2022-09-28 20:14:59	Psi-Jack	And, based on my searching, the Centrino Advanced-N 6200 is in fact, only WiFi.
2022-09-28 20:15:00	DeepDayze	Intel should have the firmware for the bt
2022-09-28 20:15:31	DeepDayze	oh yes that one seems to be misleading...the wifi has to be in a separate card/chip
2022-09-28 20:15:38	Psi-Jack	Yep.
2022-09-28 20:15:44	◣	apophys (~apophys@kubikmilan.sk) ha salido (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in)
2022-09-28 20:15:51	Psi-Jack	Neither lspci nor lsusb outputs show a specific Bluetooth device.
2022-09-28 20:16:02	DeepDayze	so that would need a separate driver and/or firmware
2022-09-28 20:16:18	Warepire	Psi-Jack: The dmesg output showed a device that is not listed in the lsusb output though.
2022-09-28 20:16:22	Psi-Jack	https://termbin.com/nexe That's from dmesg, DeepDayze, from karthy 
2022-09-28 20:16:34	DeepDayze	is the bt on USB bus? Some don't use pci/pcie bus
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2022-09-28 20:16:40	Psi-Jack	Warepire: Yeah, even still lsusb should show... Something.
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2022-09-28 20:16:57	Warepire	Not if the device was "removed" by the kernel for not being there
2022-09-28 20:16:58	Psi-Jack	DeepDayze: Shows to be USB 1-1.6
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2022-09-28 20:17:26	DeepDayze	hmm...BT on usb usually is handled by btusb
2022-09-28 20:17:39	Psi-Jack	Eh, I've seen things listed in lsusb that were not initialized, and were not functional at all. 
2022-09-28 20:17:42	DeepDayze	and btusb would load firmware for the device it detects
2022-09-28 20:17:54	Psi-Jack	karthy: lsmod | grep btusb
2022-09-28 20:18:36	Psi-Jack	That overall detail might provide something.
2022-09-28 20:19:04	Warepire	dmesg | grep usb may also be interesting
2022-09-28 20:19:05	karthy	https://termbin.com/581rr
2022-09-28 20:20:40	◣	cyphertite (~cyphertit@wireguard/tunneler/cyphertite) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-09-28 20:20:40	Psi-Jack	So, all the driver modules are in fact loaded...
2022-09-28 20:20:40	◣	tirnanog (~tirnanog@user/tirnanog) ha salido (Quit: = "")
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2022-09-28 20:21:03	bblinky	teraflops: whatøs your provider?
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2022-09-28 20:21:14	karthy	hey Warepire that command showed bluetooth activity
2022-09-28 20:21:16	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-09-28 20:21:19	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-09-28 20:21:26	teraflops	bblinky: inception hosting
2022-09-28 20:21:31	◣	sord937_ (~sord937@gateway/tor-sasl/sord937) ha salido (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2022-09-28 20:21:33	bblinky	Oh, lol
2022-09-28 20:21:37	◥	MattMadness (~d3m0nm4dn@user/mattmadness) has joined #archlinux
2022-09-28 20:21:46	teraflops	https://inceptionhosting.com/
2022-09-28 20:21:47	phrik	Title: Inception Hosting - kvm and OpenVZ VPS Hosting (at inceptionhosting.com)
2022-09-28 20:21:48	Psi-Jack	sudo modprobe -r btusb && sleep 5 && sudo modprobe bluetooth -- Perhaps try reloading the drivers?
2022-09-28 20:21:57	bblinky	I thought you where reffering to nested virtualization as inception hosting 
2022-09-28 20:22:05	Psi-Jack	teraflops: Caution. Don't go into limbo.
2022-09-28 20:22:15	teraflops	heh the movie
2022-09-28 20:22:23	teraflops	yeah the name is a bit weird
2022-09-28 20:22:31	Warepire	karthy: Please paste the output you got.
2022-09-28 20:22:37	Psi-Jack	I bet they came up with that name because of the movie. 😛
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2022-09-28 20:23:48	Psi-Jack	Yeah, a major reason most providers don't support nested virtualization is because it'll break live migrations.
2022-09-28 20:24:11	Psi-Jack	So yeah. Not exactly ideal for uptime if they need to move your stuff off the server without downtime.
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2022-09-28 20:24:43	karthy	Warepire: https://termbin.com/oi1m
2022-09-28 20:25:03	karthy	[    3.179436] usb 1-1.6: Product: Broadcom Bluetooth Device
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2022-09-28 20:25:53	bblinky	teraflops: they look nice, but they are a bit small for what I want to use them for :)
2022-09-28 20:25:56	Psi-Jack	New USB device found, idVendor=0489, idProduct=e00f, bcdDevice= 5.96
2022-09-28 20:26:06	Psi-Jack	That's something, at least..
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2022-09-28 20:26:28	Warepire	Hm, it disconnects from the USB bus almost immediately after discovery.
2022-09-28 20:27:06	Psi-Jack	There is a known issue with this particular broadcom chipset for autosuspend issues.. 
2022-09-28 20:27:11	bblinky	Psi-Jack: That makes a bit more sense, I actually thought it was just because they (netcup) are  being audatious enough to charge per snapshot exported to their ftp for download, and nested virtualization would break that profit scheme
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2022-09-28 20:28:05	teraflops	bblinky: https://paste.priet.us/srp8/ that's my VPS look at virtualization
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2022-09-28 20:31:15	bblinky	!paste
2022-09-28 20:31:15	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-09-28 20:32:10	bblinky	teraflops: http://ix.io/4bJf :(
2022-09-28 20:32:12	◣	MattMadness (~d3m0nm4dn@user/mattmadness) ha salido (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2022-09-28 20:32:35	teraflops	that's ok I guess
2022-09-28 20:32:49	bblinky	It is, unless i want to run KVM
2022-09-28 20:32:51	bblinky	:p
2022-09-28 20:33:00	karthy	Psi-Jack: are you alive buddy.
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2022-09-29 18:15:51	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1481 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1480 normals)
2022-09-29 17:08:20	Psi-Jack	Hmm, or maybe it was broadcom-bt-firmware.. Or both... broadcom-wl looks like it may primarily or only be for WiFi, not bluetooth.
2022-09-29 17:09:43	ganna	Psi-Jack: still skecthy sound>
2022-09-29 17:10:10	Psi-Jack	Okay?
2022-09-29 17:10:28	bluetail	ganna what is your sampling frequency set to
2022-09-29 17:10:31	bluetail	if thats the right word
2022-09-29 17:10:38	bluetail	is it like, 44.1khz
2022-09-29 17:11:00	ganna	should i revert to alsa?
2022-09-29 17:11:04	bluetail	Psi-Jack sounds like you love broadcom :D
2022-09-29 17:11:07	ganna	_var:bi dont understand>
2022-09-29 17:11:11	bluetail	why would you
2022-09-29 17:11:15	ganna	sorry
2022-09-29 17:11:17	Psi-Jack	ganna: ...
2022-09-29 17:11:22	ganna	bluetail: i dont understand
2022-09-29 17:11:32	Psi-Jack	Do youw ant bluetooth working, or do you want to just complain?
2022-09-29 17:11:50	Psi-Jack	bluetail: Their bluetooth is abysmal garbage.
2022-09-29 17:11:53	ganna	i want it to work with no skecthy sound
2022-09-29 17:12:10	ganna	or should i buy new blutooth doggle?
2022-09-29 17:12:16	Psi-Jack	ganna: Well, that's likely not going to be great, especially since, what the actual fuck is "sketchy sound" to you?
2022-09-29 17:12:24	ponies	how far are you away from this dongle? 
2022-09-29 17:12:40	ponies	like, if you move closer, does it become clearer? 
2022-09-29 17:12:43	Psi-Jack	A2DP is not that great for audio.
2022-09-29 17:12:44	ganna	its the internal one
2022-09-29 17:13:11	ganna	then why sketchy sound. in another words miss sounds 
2022-09-29 17:13:15	Psi-Jack	HSP is high quality for audio, and intended for listening, while A2DP is splitting bandwidth for listening and talking.
2022-09-29 17:13:17	ponies	handsfree_head_unit should be the best one, or else its handsfree_headset_unit
2022-09-29 17:14:00	Psi-Jack	HSP/HFP
2022-09-29 17:14:22	baltazar	ponies: I'm using networkmanager
2022-09-29 17:14:23	Psi-Jack	So, ganna, what are you trying to do? Listen and Talk, or just Listen?
2022-09-29 17:14:42	BrainDamage	Psi-Jack: you have them backwards
2022-09-29 17:14:48	BrainDamage	HSP is bidirectional, A2DP is monodirection and high quality
2022-09-29 17:14:59	Psi-Jack	Ahh, wait, you may be correct, yes.
2022-09-29 17:15:01	ganna	im trying listien  mpd demon music
2022-09-29 17:15:05	ponies	baltazar: so what does $ journalctl -eu networkmanager; say? 
2022-09-29 17:15:07	Psi-Jack	Hence why I get aptX only on A2DP.
2022-09-29 17:15:17	baltazar	but since then I experienced the issue on my phone as well, so it might not be my laptop's fault
2022-09-29 17:15:23	Psi-Jack	Cause aptX would not work in headset mode,.
2022-09-29 17:15:34	ganna	-- No entries --
2022-09-29 17:15:54	Psi-Jack	ganna: Okay, pavucontrol, does it now show A2DP profiles in Configuration?
2022-09-29 17:15:56	ponies	Psi-Jack is right iirc
2022-09-29 17:16:03	ganna	phone bluetooth works great
2022-09-29 17:16:09	Psi-Jack	ponies: No, BrainDamage's correction is correct.
2022-09-29 17:16:45	bluetail	but can you correct a correction
2022-09-29 17:16:47	ganna	no Psi-Jack no A2Dp
2022-09-29 17:17:12	Psi-Jack	So, we still don't have firmware. Perhaps then we needed broadcom-bt-firmware from AUR instead then.
2022-09-29 17:17:30	Psi-Jack	That seems to be specific to Broadcom Bluetooth firmware.
2022-09-29 17:17:52	ganna	okay installing it
2022-09-29 17:19:08	Psi-Jack	BrainDamage: Thanks for that, BTW. 🙂
2022-09-29 17:19:56	ganna	http://pastie.org/p/08U0cCvScL5ytJrfylHLaL/raw
2022-09-29 17:20:27	ganna	should i remove them?
2022-09-29 17:20:39	Psi-Jack	ganna: Uninstall the other AUR package, b43-firmware, then install broadcom-bt-firmware
2022-09-29 17:21:33	quitman	Any idea for a package where i can print a specific part of the screen? :)
2022-09-29 17:21:45	kenwoodfox	This is not really an arch question but i figure maybe arch could help direct me where to look next? Im fiddling with pulseaudio's network streaming stuff, trying to find a good way to connect a few docker containers to a host. And im haivng some issues, some parts of the docs are confusing and im not seeing expected results :/ Is there a freedesktop or pulse/alsa channel somewhere?
2022-09-29 17:22:07	ponies	quitman: you mean, in the terminal? 
2022-09-29 17:22:09	ganna	same erro Psi-Jack should i remove them later i wgeted them ?
2022-09-29 17:22:20	ganna	for same issue
2022-09-29 17:22:23	Namarrgon	kenwoodfox: /msg alis list $topic
2022-09-29 17:22:25	Psi-Jack	ganna: Don't delete random files.
2022-09-29 17:22:28	Psi-Jack	EVER
2022-09-29 17:22:33	ganna	ok
2022-09-29 17:22:43	Namarrgon	kenwoodfox: check their websites for how to get in touch with their communities
2022-09-29 17:22:55	Psi-Jack	ganna: pacman -Qo /usr/lib/firmware/brcm/BCM43142A0-0489-e062.hcd
2022-09-29 17:22:57	quitman	ponies: Na, Whatever is on screen. I use i3
2022-09-29 17:23:10	ganna	error: No package owns /usr/lib/firmware/brcm/BCM43142A0-0489-e062.hcd
2022-09-29 17:23:16	Psi-Jack	ganna: And pacman -Qo /usr/lib/firmware/brcm/BCM43142A0-0a5c-21d7.hcd
2022-09-29 17:23:45	ponies	quitman: like, you want to take a screenshot of part of the screen? and print it? i dont understand 
2022-09-29 17:24:06	ganna	Psi-Jack: should i remove them now? 
2022-09-29 17:24:18	Psi-Jack	I never got the result of the second one.
2022-09-29 17:24:20	rebab	I can't change my resolution to 1600x900: https://pastebin.com/2MaWXg5i
2022-09-29 17:24:21	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o4Qf.PfEU3bIE
2022-09-29 17:24:22	phrik	Title: [arch@arch-pc ~]$ xrandrScreen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1440 x 900, maximum 3 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-09-29 17:24:27	quitman	ponies: Ye, lika draging a square at some part of the screen :)
2022-09-29 17:24:28	kenwoodfox	thanks Namarrgon
2022-09-29 17:24:34	ganna	phrik: error: No package owns /usr/lib/firmware/brcm/BCM43142A0-0a5c-21d7.hcd Psi-Jack 
2022-09-29 17:24:34	phrik	ganna: BLEEP BLOOP
2022-09-29 17:24:47	Psi-Jack	ganna:  Move those two files to /root, don't just delete them. 
2022-09-29 17:24:58	ganna	okay
2022-09-29 17:25:04	Psi-Jack	Just being safe here. 😛
2022-09-29 17:25:48	ponies	quitman: you want maim 
2022-09-29 17:26:10	quitman	ponies: Okay. Thanks
2022-09-29 17:26:15	ponies	quitman: i use: maim -su --color=1,0,0,1 -p -3.0 -b 3 ~/screenshots/"${date%%.*}_larger.png"
2022-09-29 17:26:24	ganna	okay sir Psi-Jack reinstalling bt firmware
2022-09-29 17:26:49	Namarrgon	rebab: check dmesg and the xorg log for edid errors, it looks like this device doesn't offer that mode
2022-09-29 17:27:11	Psi-Jack	ganna: Afterwards, reboot. Kernel needs to actually load the firmware blob for the device you have, and it does so at boot, or insertion of device, but since your bluetooth is embedded, reboot's easier.
2022-09-29 17:27:11	ganna	okay installed.
2022-09-29 17:27:19	ponies	reee
2022-09-29 17:27:23	ganna	okay 
2022-09-29 17:27:26	ponies	quitman: i lie actually
2022-09-29 17:27:26	ganna	brb
2022-09-29 17:27:46	⚡ 	Psi-Jack points at ponies with a shaking finger and evil eye,.
2022-09-29 17:28:03	quitman	ponies: rawr
2022-09-29 17:28:19	ponies	no for wayland its grim 
2022-09-29 17:29:01	rebab	Namarrgon I can change the res to 1920x1080 but It's not good for this 20' monitor. Only 1600x900 doesn't work. How can I check the errors?
2022-09-29 17:29:25	Namarrgon	rebab: read the dmesg output and the xorg log
2022-09-29 17:29:27	ganna	back
2022-09-29 17:29:36	Namarrgon	rebab: why is this monitor connected via vga?
2022-09-29 17:29:46	Psi-Jack	ganna: pavucontrol, Configuration, profiles for bluetooth?
2022-09-29 17:30:18	ganna	seeing them wait
2022-09-29 17:31:01	ganna	Psi-Jack: Same config
2022-09-29 17:31:10	rebab	Namarrgon I use old system, I have VGA cable. How can I read dmesg output and xorg log. I am a newbie.
2022-09-29 17:31:17	Psi-Jack	ganna: No A2DP?
2022-09-29 17:31:23	ganna	noep
2022-09-29 17:31:31	Psi-Jack	ganna: sudo dmesg | grep firmware
2022-09-29 17:31:35	quitman	ponies: maim worked as i wanted it :)
2022-09-29 17:31:41	Namarrgon	rebab: arch is a poor choice for linux newbies
2022-09-29 17:31:48	ponies	nice
2022-09-29 17:32:11	ganna	Psi-Jack: ttps://termbin.com/pgad
2022-09-29 17:32:23	Psi-Jack	Hmm...
2022-09-29 17:32:37	Psi-Jack	ganna: sudo dmesg | grep -i bluetooth
2022-09-29 17:33:05	ganna	https://termbin.com/t4wa8
2022-09-29 17:33:15	rebab	Namarrgon I installed EOS before. It was okay with 19' monitor now I changed it, can't set the new resolution to 1600x900
2022-09-29 17:33:32	Namarrgon	rebab: you can try to manually add the mode via xrandr you better talk to the support of your distro
2022-09-29 17:33:48	Namarrgon	*but you better
2022-09-29 17:33:59	Psi-Jack	[   21.413451] Bluetooth: hci0: BCM43142A0 'brcm/BCM43142A0-0a5c-21d7.hcd' Patch -- This shows me the firmware loaded.
2022-09-29 17:34:26	Psi-Jack	So you should darnwell have A2DP.
2022-09-29 17:34:57	ganna	hm
2022-09-29 17:35:13	rebab	Namarrgon I already did, I know the basics. cvt, xrandr -s etc. But I can't set the especially to this res (1600x900) However 1366x768, 1920x1080 works
2022-09-29 17:36:12	Namarrgon	rebab: please take this to your distro's channel, they can also explain how to read the kernel/xorg log
2022-09-29 17:36:40	ponies	actually its interesting that the aw pulseaudio page is a bit of a rabbit hole, and doesnt really list the handsfree_headset profiles clearly 
2022-09-29 17:37:25	rebab	Namarrgon you guys are not helping.
2022-09-29 17:37:36	Psi-Jack	rebab: EndeavourOS is not Arch Linux.
2022-09-29 17:37:50	ponies	it ought to say "handsfree_head_unit" clearly .. ill add that in 
2022-09-29 17:38:21	⚡ 	Psi-Jack installs headset unit directly into ponies's head.
2022-09-29 17:38:30	ganna	rebab: tryiong installing it on virtual box
2022-09-29 17:38:35	ganna	try*
2022-09-29 17:39:38	ponies	thanks! now i can hear your grunting in hi fidelity
2022-09-29 17:39:56	gnana	rebab: or you can try #linux
2022-09-29 17:40:23	rebab	Could you at least explain to me why the res going to VIRTUAL1 instead of VGA1 after adding the mod?
2022-09-29 17:41:07	gnana	rebab: sorry, but what tryin to do?
2022-09-29 17:42:14	gehidore	should be trying to take this issue to the proper channel rather than continuing to ask for help here
2022-09-29 17:42:36	rebab	gnana I am trying to do set my resolution to 1600x900 but after use cvt and xrandr --newmode it goes to VIRTUAL1 instead of VGA1. However 1366x768, 1920x1080 doesn't do that.
2022-09-29 17:43:01	gnana	read the wiki maybe you missing something
2022-09-29 17:43:09	Namarrgon	rebab: please take this to your distro's channel (or #linux) and take gnana with you
2022-09-29 17:43:36	gnana	lol
2022-09-29 17:43:52	gnana	im there in #linux
2022-09-29 17:44:01	Namarrgon	perfect!
2022-09-29 17:44:58	Psi-Jack	heh
2022-09-29 17:46:28	ponies	haha ziiing
2022-09-29 17:48:51	adigitoleo	Hello, I have java-runtime-common but it doesn't provide /usr/lib/jvm/default/include, are those headers in another package?
2022-09-29 17:50:36	Namarrgon	you need to install an actual jre/jdk, java-runtime-common is just a bunch of helper scripts and symlinks/directories
2022-09-29 17:50:42	ponies	adigitoleo: openjdk
2022-09-29 17:50:59	adigitoleo	I also have jre-openjdk-headless
2022-09-29 17:51:16	ponies	jdk11-openjdk 
2022-09-29 17:51:20	ponies	or whatever version 
2022-09-29 17:51:30	adigitoleo	Ah I guess I need the full one, yeah
2022-09-29 17:52:13	adigitoleo	still no headers :(
2022-09-29 17:52:38	ponies	adigitoleo: /usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk/include/classfile_constants.h is owned by jdk11-openjdk 
2022-09-29 17:53:13	MrElendig	jdk to build stuff, jre to run stuff
2022-09-29 17:53:33	adigitoleo	Ah OK, I don't use java but I need it as a dep for something
2022-09-29 17:53:43	ponies	default is a symlink 
2022-09-29 17:54:15	Namarrgon	make sure to set the default one via archlinux-java
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2022-09-29 18:17:48	bblinky	h4rd3n3d_: Yeah, now that I have a brand new kingston I feel a bit better about that ;)
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2022-09-29 19:33:00	macrobat	screenfulls of output and no idea about earlier lines
2022-09-29 19:33:12	Murray7501	alad Psi-Jack : oh well I managed to write a script to get what I wanted :D
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2022-09-29 19:46:58	alad	Murray7501: 🤔
2022-09-29 19:47:40	⚡ 	teraflops writes a script to get tacos
2022-09-29 19:48:31	mpan	TacOS is not Arch Linux, please take it to #tacOS-official.
2022-09-29 19:48:40	teraflops	hehe
2022-09-29 19:48:44	alad	fake news
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2022-09-29 20:01:02	Psi-Jack	Heh, TacOS is one I have not heard of. LOKL
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2022-09-29 20:03:32	DeepDayze	Tacos are so yummy!
2022-09-29 20:03:52	DeepDayze	nice name for an arch based distro though lol
2022-09-29 20:03:58	bluetail	DeepDayze better than a metallic bitten apple
2022-09-29 20:04:10	DeepDayze	macos you mean yeah
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2022-09-29 20:04:28	DeepDayze	arch on a mac be awesome
2022-09-29 20:04:32	bblinky	So, something is not working as I expect it... When I run efibootmgr from arch-chroot I get 3 entries (i did efibootmgr -c in an attempt to --make-it-work) one GRUB, one Linux and one UEFI (the USB) but when I reboot only the USB gets recognized...
2022-09-29 20:04:40	bluetail	DeepDayze I run arch on a mac
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2022-09-29 20:08:49	Namarrgon	bblinky: is scureboot enabled?
2022-09-29 20:08:54	bblinky	nop
2022-09-29 20:09:20	Namarrgon	can you post the -v output?
2022-09-29 20:09:41	bblinky	of efibootmgr?
2022-09-29 20:09:46	Namarrgon	yep
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2022-09-29 20:10:12	bblinky	uhm, possibly on an image paste of your choosing
2022-09-29 20:10:24	Namarrgon	post the text to a paste service
2022-09-29 20:10:26	Namarrgon	!ix
2022-09-29 20:10:27	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-09-29 20:10:53	Namarrgon	pictures are always blurry and ctrl-f doesn't work
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2022-09-29 20:11:08	macrobat	peripherals, like monitor, mouse, keyboard :D
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2022-09-29 20:12:38	bblinky	Namarrgon http://ix.io/3wuU
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2022-09-29 20:13:33	Namarrgon	fdisk -l
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2022-09-29 20:14:01	bblinky	Namarrgon I guess I can delete the 0002 entry since that one and 0001 look identical?
2022-09-29 20:14:02	MacGyver	bblinky: Don't you mean when you reboot it immediately loads from the USB? Which, with this configuration, yeah, it would.
2022-09-29 20:14:24	bblinky	MacGyver, no, I remoed the USB for making sure
2022-09-29 20:14:40	Namarrgon	i don't see 0001 in there
2022-09-29 20:14:57	bblinky	Sry, I meant 0000
2022-09-29 20:15:00	bblinky	mb
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2022-09-29 20:15:14	MacGyver	0 and 2 aren't *exactly* identical.
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2022-09-29 20:15:19	bblinky	Namarrgon http://ix.io/3zti
2022-09-29 20:15:23	MacGyver	Note the different file paths.
2022-09-29 20:15:41	MacGyver	I *think* the second one is an archiso loader?
2022-09-29 20:15:58	MacGyver	I don't recall seeing that directory structure outside of the context of the arch iso.
2022-09-29 20:16:54	Namarrgon	the last directory name depends on the label you tell grub-install to use
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2022-09-29 20:17:16	Namarrgon	--bootloader-id=ID
2022-09-29 20:17:17	Namarrgon	that is
2022-09-29 20:17:21	MacGyver	Ah, so there's probably just two installs of grub on this ESP now?
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2022-09-29 20:17:48	MacGyver	bblinky: Can you check which one of those paths actually exists on your ESP?
2022-09-29 20:17:52	Namarrgon	probably but the filename of "grub.efi" is a bit weird
2022-09-29 20:17:55	MacGyver	Either, both, neither?
2022-09-29 20:18:17	Namarrgon	where is the ESP mounted to in the system?
2022-09-29 20:18:53	bblinky	MacGyver the GRUB exist solely
2022-09-29 20:19:08	MacGyver	bblinky: They're both grub.
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2022-09-29 20:19:37	bblinky	Namarrgon the ESP being the partition /dev/sda1?
2022-09-29 20:19:43	MacGyver	You mean \EFI\GRUB\grubx64.efi exists but \EFI\arch\grub.efi doesn't?
2022-09-29 20:19:44	Namarrgon	yes
2022-09-29 20:20:02	bblinky	MacGyver yes
2022-09-29 20:20:07	macrobat	at the moment I can't startx: (fatal server error. no screens found.) journalctl -p3 says "Failed to find module nvidia-uvm". /usr/lib/modules-load.d/nvidia-470xx-utils.conf says "nvidia-uvm"
2022-09-29 20:20:08	bblinky	Namarrgon /boot
2022-09-29 20:20:08	Namarrgon	did you create 0002 manually?
2022-09-29 20:20:31	macrobat	I thought there might be a problem with the legacy nvidia-470xx- driver, so I reinstalled that and rebooted. problem persists
2022-09-29 20:20:50	Namarrgon	macrobat: are you using the dkms version of the nvidia driver?
2022-09-29 20:21:02	bblinky	Namarrgon I created it by issuing 'efibootmgr -c as stated here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Create_a_GRUB_entry_in_the_firmware_boot_manager
2022-09-29 20:21:03	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-09-29 20:21:11	MacGyver	bblinky: Also I take it this means netboot didn't work out?
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2022-09-29 20:22:51	bblinky	MacGyver I tried, it showed up in the bios boot menu but it wasn't bootable... Then I messed arround with efibootmgr a bit too much and got scared and ran to get an USB
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2022-09-29 20:23:27	Namarrgon	do you get any errors from grub-install when you reinstall with the same bootloader-id of "GRUB"?
2022-09-29 20:23:41	bblinky	Namarrgon Iäll try it now
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2022-09-29 20:24:49	macrobat	the nvidia utils AUR package comes with some nvidia dkms package. I assume that's what was being used.
2022-09-29 20:25:04	bblinky	Namarrgon no errors
2022-09-29 20:25:16	Namarrgon	post the --verbose output to a paste service
2022-09-29 20:25:34	Namarrgon	macrobat: dkms status
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2022-09-29 20:26:59	bblinky	Namarrgon http://ix.io/3zB1
2022-09-29 20:27:31	bblinky	Bop
2022-09-29 20:27:32	bblinky	Nop
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2022-09-29 20:27:56	bblinky	Namarrgon http://ix.io/3zBl
2022-09-29 20:28:03	bblinky	That's the correct one
2022-09-29 20:28:21	macrobat	"nvidia/470.141.03, 5.19.12-arch1-1, x86_64: installed" that's for the fresher kernel. I'm currently on the 5.15 lts
2022-09-29 20:28:47	Namarrgon	pacman -Q linux-lts-headers
2022-09-29 20:29:05	bblinky	me?
2022-09-29 20:29:10	macrobat	no me
2022-09-29 20:29:13	bblinky	kk
2022-09-29 20:29:25	macrobat	no. I didn't have those headers
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2022-09-29 20:30:21	Namarrgon	you need them or the compiler won't be able to build the modules
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2022-09-29 20:30:46	susi	what is this 'dp' field in the efibootmgr's output, a new thing to me
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2022-09-29 20:33:00	rubin55	Hi all, been away from Arch for a while (2006-2007) but having new laptop come in and will put Arch on it, am playing around with virtual machine to get to know the differences (mostly systemd stuff looks like)
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2022-09-29 20:34:13	rubin55	I made a list of packages I will install. A few of them will be from AUR. As I understand it, safest is to build AUR packages yourself, so git clone each package I'm interested in and do makepkg
2022-09-29 20:34:18	Namarrgon	susi: "device path" apparently, https://github.com/rhboot/efibootmgr/commit/8ec3e9dedb3cb62f19847794012420b90f475398
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2022-09-29 20:34:49	rubin55	Question: can I serve my personal aur-built-and-customize-packages like a pacman repo?
2022-09-29 20:35:15	Namarrgon	sure, just create a repo and add it to pacman.conf
2022-09-29 20:35:35	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Custom_local_repository
2022-09-29 20:35:36	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-09-29 20:36:16	Namarrgon	or take a look at aurutils for something more feature rich
2022-09-29 20:36:29	rubin55	Namarrgon: much thanks, will do that
2022-09-29 20:36:52	Psi-Jack	I really like aurto, which utilizes aurutils to autobuild and repositorize packages built from aur,.
2022-09-29 20:37:54	ℹ 	heat_ es conocido ahora como heat
2022-09-29 20:37:59	rubin55	how do you guys handle the security aspect of it? Isn't it very easy for third parties to do bad things to AUR packages?
2022-09-29 20:38:11	gaku	rubin55: audit
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2022-09-29 20:38:25	gaku	read the PKGBUILD, that is mostly enough to identify shenanigans
2022-09-29 20:38:33	gaku	anything beyond is in the actual source code of whatever
2022-09-29 20:38:33	Psi-Jack	Well, aurto automatically kicks off new owners of a package, so it doesn't run into that as easily, but yeah, personal auditing.
2022-09-29 20:38:54	Namarrgon	bblinky: can you post the new efibootmgr -v output?
2022-09-29 20:38:59	◣	GodEater (~godeater@user/godeater) ha salido (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2022-09-29 20:39:00	gaku	at that point if the source code is not trusted, wrap it somehow with something like bubblewrap to minimize the potential attack area
2022-09-29 20:39:08	Warepire	rubin55: I look at all the files I clone out from the AUR repo for each package, and then review the history with 'tig' (gitk is fine too if you prefer, etc) before each rebuild if there's an update.
2022-09-29 20:39:33	rubin55	So aurto would tell you, hey, these ten aur packages have updates, let me build them for you, and then you go ahead and go to the repo's and look at changelog/commits?
2022-09-29 20:39:40	bblinky	Namarrgon http://ix.io/3BJR
2022-09-29 20:40:51	rubin55	Warepire: tig, will look into that.. sort of nicer git log or sth?
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2022-09-29 20:41:38	Warepire	rubin55: It's a git viewer tui with half-vim like bindings. gitk is a gui variant, there's probably others as well.
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2022-09-29 20:42:07	rubin55	tig looks great
2022-09-29 20:42:09	Warepire	pick one you like
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2022-09-29 20:45:55	Namarrgon	bblinky: it still doesn't show up in the firmware's menu?
2022-09-29 20:46:11	bblinky	let me check
2022-09-29 20:47:01	bblinky	nop
2022-09-29 20:47:12	Namarrgon	reinstall again but add --removable instead and see if you can select the whole "disk" in the menu
2022-09-29 20:47:37	Namarrgon	which mainboard/laptop is this?
2022-09-29 20:47:50	bblinky	Dell E7250
2022-09-29 20:49:16	rubin55	gaku is bubblewrap something like systemd-nspawn? 
2022-09-29 20:50:31	bblinky	Namarrgon that did it
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2022-09-29 20:50:50	gaku	rubin55: no, just namespace shenanigans
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2022-09-29 20:50:56	Namarrgon	well, that's stupid
2022-09-29 20:51:04	⚡ 	rubin55 reading https://github.com/containers/bubblewrap
2022-09-29 20:51:18	gaku	?pkgfile brwap
2022-09-29 20:51:21	@EMIYA	gaku: no results for 'brwap'
2022-09-29 20:51:26	gaku	aargh
2022-09-29 20:51:28	gaku	?pkgfile bwrap
2022-09-29 20:51:29	@EMIYA	gaku: extra/bubblewrap 0.6.2-1 (/usr/bin/bwrap, /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/bwrap), extra/bubblewrap-suid
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2022-09-29 20:52:43	bblinky	Namarrgon, I guess it's kinda usefull... If I decide to change my drie over to another latop... Or something
2022-09-29 20:53:06	rubin55	will things like makepkg automatically use something like bwrap to isolate builds?
2022-09-29 20:53:08	ℹ 	wallabra_ es conocido ahora como wallabra
2022-09-29 20:53:19	Namarrgon	bblinky: yes but it would also be nice if the rest worked as intended
2022-09-29 20:53:24	◣	fetzenfisch (~fetzenfis@user/fetzenfisch) ha salido ()
2022-09-29 20:53:25	bblinky	Indeed
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2022-09-30 21:04:15	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-09-30 21:04:15	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1472 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1471 normals)
2022-09-30 17:24:11	terrancel	i'm running a dell preicsion m4600 
2022-09-30 17:24:17	terrancel	it has arch stickers on it 
2022-09-30 17:24:19	terrancel	so it's very powerful 
2022-09-30 17:24:34	heat	435.17 was the one that got DRI prime offloading 
2022-09-30 17:24:40	heat	:|
2022-09-30 17:24:49	Hylden	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ
2022-09-30 17:29:11	terrancel	HM
2022-09-30 17:29:42	Psi-Jack	Love that clip from Linus.
2022-09-30 17:33:25	MrElendig	amd hybrid graphics is just as bad/worse
2022-09-30 17:33:49	terrancel	buddies 
2022-09-30 17:34:33	terrancel	I think i might just like wither the storm 
2022-09-30 17:34:43	terrancel	I can't survive on intelHD 3000
2022-09-30 17:34:45	yuval	I'm using openresolv and openvpn to connect to a vpn. problem is that after a while, my /etc/resolv.conf is run over by my local network settings. then I cant get to anything that need dns on that vpn network. any idea whats wrong? where do I set the right prio?
2022-09-30 17:34:48	terrancel	I need to be able to goom
2022-09-30 17:35:06	MrElendig	terrancel: 6600xt for 230 bucks
2022-09-30 17:35:16	Psi-Jack	Arch stickers does not make a computer "powerful".
2022-09-30 17:35:17	terrancel	I have a GTX970
2022-09-30 17:35:26	MrElendig	just solder it on some pcie lanes in the laptop
2022-09-30 17:35:26	terrancel	I have a desktop system 
2022-09-30 17:35:30	MrElendig	what could go wrong?
2022-09-30 17:35:33	terrancel	A lot 
2022-09-30 17:36:24	terrancel	How could i go about with just propri drivers instead of hybrid
2022-09-30 17:36:44	terrancel	I remember seeing this one part which was frusturating where i told me go see the optimus guide if it doesn't detect any screens 
2022-09-30 17:44:45	terrancel	what do you all reccomend?
2022-09-30 17:47:59	phrik	Title: NVIDIA Optimus - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-30 17:48:21	terrancel	yeah basically 
2022-09-30 17:48:34	terrancel	or something like that.
2022-09-30 17:48:55	terrancel	I feel so much pain thinking about the driver shit again
2022-09-30 17:50:45	terrancel	So essentially part of me wishes i could reset everything graphically with X back to defaults and start over
2022-09-30 17:50:49	terrancel	but that would take too long
2022-09-30 18:03:46	MichaelP	I did gsettings reset com.github.stunkymonkey.nautilus-open-any-terminal terminal tilix  and did not see it show up under right click on nautilus. So i did it with sudo. still did not see it... Rebooted now right click in nautilus has tilix twice. How do i remove 1 ?
2022-09-30 18:39:17	terrancel	I can't start any 3d applicaations using bumblebeed 
2022-09-30 18:39:30	terrancel	basically Nouveu has an error opening thedrm
2022-09-30 18:39:45	terrancel	and noveau has an error 910: 
2022-09-30 18:40:01	Namarrgon	post the logs to a paste service
2022-09-30 18:40:04	terrancel	then it says no screen foun ds, and it outputs another Error and says X didn't start properly
2022-09-30 18:40:07	terrancel	kk
2022-09-30 18:41:11	Hylden	terrancel: the troubleshooting section here is generally helpful https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bumblebee
2022-09-30 18:41:12	phrik	Title: Bumblebee - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-30 18:42:10	terrancel	https://pastebin.com/wcbcksdi
2022-09-30 18:42:11	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o4tp.ZSkUG5ib
2022-09-30 18:42:11	phrik	Title: [ 47.330] X.Org X Server 1.21.1.4X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0[ - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-09-30 18:43:18	terrancel	https://pastebin.com/kUbKEv3q
2022-09-30 18:43:19	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o4tO.JWIv9WQB
2022-09-30 18:43:19	phrik	Title: ● bumblebeed.service - Bumblebee C Daemon Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-09-30 18:44:11	terrancel	?
2022-09-30 18:44:27	terrancel	lost connection for a bit 
2022-09-30 18:44:30	terrancel	did i miss any messages?
2022-09-30 18:45:21	Hylden	terrancel: the troubleshooting section here is generally helpful https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bumblebee and also check this log as well "Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.8.log"
2022-09-30 18:45:23	phrik	Title: Bumblebee - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-30 18:46:25	Namarrgon	"lspci -k"
2022-09-30 18:49:45	terrancel	kk
2022-09-30 18:50:25	terrancel	https://pastebin.com/X8d4nXAu
2022-09-30 18:50:26	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o4tt.WNBzwHE4
2022-09-30 18:50:27	phrik	Title: terrancel@battlecruiser ~]$ lspci -k00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 2nd - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-09-30 18:50:48	terrancel	running optrun and then a application gives me Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) NOUVEAU(0): [drm] failed to set drm interface version.
2022-09-30 18:51:26	mokulus	!paste
2022-09-30 18:51:27	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-09-30 18:52:00	terrancel	leme see if optimus is enabled in bios
2022-09-30 18:54:58	terrancel	ok
2022-09-30 18:55:03	terrancel	well the first inital time 
2022-09-30 18:55:18	terrancel	you get black screen then de / wm resets it's self
2022-09-30 18:55:20	terrancel	i think x crashes
2022-09-30 18:55:25	terrancel	then it goes back to your intel driver
2022-09-30 18:55:31	terrancel	doing it again just gives you a drm error.
2022-09-30 19:00:50	terrancel	rebooting one sev
2022-09-30 19:00:55	terrancel	gonna try one of the fixes
2022-09-30 19:07:53	terrancel	ok
2022-09-30 19:08:33	terrancel	I'm just baffled now has anyone even gotten bumblebee to run with opensource nvidia drivers
2022-09-30 19:08:44	heat	you're not supposed to
2022-09-30 19:09:03	terrancel	righttttt
2022-09-30 19:09:09	terrancel	So install nvidia propri drivers huh
2022-09-30 19:09:17	heat	AFAIK nouveau supports DRI prime out of the box
2022-09-30 19:09:19	asdfasdfas	hi
2022-09-30 19:09:33	heat	I don't know if it reclocks fermi and I don't know how great the experience is
2022-09-30 19:09:44	heat	!hi
2022-09-30 19:09:44	phrik	HAI2U
2022-09-30 19:09:48	terrancel	i'm 1000% sure that if i uninstall bumblebee rn i will end up booting to a tty 
2022-09-30 19:09:49	heat	oh wow
2022-09-30 19:10:01	heat	bumblebee has nothing to do with running your X server
2022-09-30 19:10:06	terrancel	ik
2022-09-30 19:10:31	heat	bumblebee is only supposed to run for apps that need the dGPU, the rest should use the iGPU as usual
2022-09-30 19:11:12	terrancel	when i start any 3d application with bumblebeed enabled 
2022-09-30 19:11:22	terrancel	blackscreen then cinnamon reboots
2022-09-30 19:11:25	terrancel	so huh.
2022-09-30 19:12:31	terrancel	uninstall bumblebee?
2022-09-30 19:12:42	artefact	(backup your /usr first! 👀)
2022-09-30 19:12:53	terrancel	kk
2022-09-30 19:12:55	terrancel	ls
2022-09-30 19:13:17	terrancel	why would i need to do that i may ask?
2022-09-30 19:13:23	heat	tbf don't be scared to break things
2022-09-30 19:13:39	artefact	i was joking
2022-09-30 19:13:41	terrancel	kk
2022-09-30 19:13:41	heat	I reinstalled arch many, many times in my first run
2022-09-30 19:13:52	terrancel	I can't afford to reinstall anything
2022-09-30 19:13:53	heat	usually ended up fighting with nvidia and X11
2022-09-30 19:13:55	artefact	reference to an old bug where the bumblebee had a "rf -rf /usr"
2022-09-30 19:15:40	terrancel	okay well i did not reboot into a tty
2022-09-30 19:19:10	terrancel	ok
2022-09-30 19:19:14	terrancel	starting any 3d application
2022-09-30 19:19:16	terrancel	= 
2022-09-30 19:19:24	terrancel	>Blackscreen back to cinnamon bootscreen
2022-09-30 19:23:22	terrancel	..
2022-09-30 19:23:35	terrancel	I can't .... 
2022-09-30 19:23:37	terrancel	play supertuxkart
2022-09-30 19:23:41	terrancel	it just boots me back to cinnamon 
2022-09-30 19:23:44	terrancel	WHYYYY
2022-09-30 19:24:09	terrancel	like i click supertuxkart, and its not a shortcut back to lightdm
2022-09-30 19:26:16	heat	what drivers are you using, what xf86 video driver are you using
2022-09-30 19:26:30	heat	what did you mess with?
2022-09-30 19:26:44	terrancel	uhhh
2022-09-30 19:26:53	terrancel	I have the free ones installed should i reinstall them?
2022-09-30 19:27:11	terrancel	how do i just autoconfig xorg or what ever
2022-09-30 19:27:16	terrancel	i want the easy way out 
2022-09-30 19:27:16	heat	I mean the X11 video drivers
2022-09-30 19:27:27	heat	xf86-video-modesetting, etc
2022-09-30 19:27:45	terrancel	I think i just need a break for now......
2022-09-30 19:27:56	terrancel	ill be back on in a bit
2022-09-30 19:47:54	yawkat	i just updated my laptop, and now after the boot the screen stays black. every second or so the backlight flashes on for a short while, but otherwise it does nothing. i can go into emergency mode, and ive already disabled X and such, but no change. any ideas?
2022-09-30 19:49:17	MrElendig	check logs
2022-09-30 19:50:03	yawkat	nothing in them, no errors or anything.
2022-09-30 19:50:19	MrElendig	journalctl ...
2022-09-30 19:50:22	yawkat	reached target graphical interface, and then it does the flashing.
2022-09-30 19:51:27	yawkat	theres *supposed* to be a getty on tty1, but only black screen.
2022-09-30 20:02:58	Enrico63	Hello. In the context of "playing around with linux device drivers" (I'm reading O'Reilly's "Linux Device Drivers"), what does "building modules for 2.6.x requires that you have a configured and built kernel tree on your system" mean? As in. If my system is running, it means there's a kernel already installed and running. What does it mean to
2022-09-30 20:02:58	Enrico63	install another one? Can multiple kernel be installed alongside each other (I guess so)? Can multiple kernels be running at the same time (I guess no)?
2022-09-30 20:02:59	Enrico63	And then the book shows an hello world kernel module source, compiles it with `make`, go `su`peruser, load it with `insmod` and unload it with `rmmod`, but it clarifies that "for the above sequence of commands to work, you must have a properly configured and built kernel tree in a place where the makefile is able to find it (`/usr/src/linux-2.6.10`
2022-09-30 20:02:59	Enrico63	in the example shown)." This also confuses me. If I have a kernel tree, I assume there's a Makefile in it, and that's the file used to build the kernel, I guess. Then what Makefile is the book referring to, say that _it_ should be to find the kernel? The make file to build the module? But they haven't showed one yet.
2022-09-30 20:03:10	Psi-Jack	Holy wall of text.
2022-09-30 20:03:39	Psi-Jack	That... Has nothing to do with Arch Linux?
2022-09-30 20:04:26	colo	yeah great something broke my frickin smb mounts once again
2022-09-30 20:04:52	colo	"permission denied" when creating a new file - any new file - on the gvfs/gio-mounted share that went unchanged for more than two years
2022-09-30 20:04:52	Enrico63	Well, but isn't this a good place to ask about kernels?
2022-09-30 20:04:58	heat	no
2022-09-30 20:04:58	Psi-Jack	EnderKill98: No. 
2022-09-30 20:05:28	Enrico63	Ook, in this case I apologize
2022-09-30 20:05:35	Enrico63	what is a better place where I can ask?
2022-09-30 20:05:36	Psi-Jack	##kernel (or is it #kernel here?
2022-09-30 20:05:47	Psi-Jack	But, dude.. 2.6 is like, long since dead.
2022-09-30 20:05:48	Enrico63	Ok, I'll see some of those channels
2022-09-30 20:05:55	heat	Enrico63, anyway the answers are: can you install another one? yes, they can be installed side by side. Can multiple kernels run at the same time? no
2022-09-30 20:06:00	Enrico63	Well, that's just x.y.z
2022-09-30 20:06:13	heat	you don't need to have a kernel tree configured and built to build out of tree modules
2022-09-30 20:06:28	heat	you just need the headers
2022-09-30 20:06:33	heat	which conveniently, arch provides
2022-09-30 20:06:33	Enrico63	heat, thanks
2022-09-30 20:06:56	heat	np
2022-09-30 20:07:15	Gagis	it might still be good to see how the kernel build process works to see how things fit together, but yeah, off topic here
2022-09-30 20:07:17	Warepire	Enrico63: https://kernelnewbies.org/IRC I got great help there when I started out
2022-09-30 20:07:19	phrik	Title: IRC - Linux Kernel Newbies (at kernelnewbies.org)
2022-09-30 20:09:19	dontdieych	Enrico63: that is quite old book (2.6.x).
2022-09-30 20:10:01	Warepire	dontdieych: As far as I found, there are no (useful) books covering more recent kernel versions
2022-09-30 20:11:28	heat	yeah it's still mostly fine
2022-09-30 20:11:32	Enrico63	I see that the kernel version they refer is old, but... does that necessarily make the book old? I guess what can make that book old is the introduction of Rust in the kernel, but before that, is there any chance that the book is still mostly valuable?
2022-09-30 20:11:36	heat	some things have changed, but most stayed the same
2022-09-30 20:11:56	heat	like, you'll find some things which don't reflect reality
2022-09-30 20:11:56	Enrico63	heat, thanks
2022-09-30 20:12:07	heat	or some details may have changed
2022-09-30 20:12:12	heat	you'll need to figure that out on your own
2022-09-30 20:12:15	dontdieych	Warepire: I'm actually dont know about that subject but heard about the book is must read. But I mean, detail things are not gonna work in current distro.
2022-09-30 20:12:57	Warepire	It's still a useful book to some degree, it's not a waste of time reading it.
2022-09-30 20:13:29	Enrico63	heat, as regards "you don't need to have a kernel tree configured and built to build out of tree modules", I think I actually don't know what it means. Why does you sentence hold? And why wouldn't it for other distros?
2022-09-30 20:13:47	dontdieych	ye, couple of days ago, I saw same comment on hacker news. so no doubt.
2022-09-30 20:15:25	heat	kbuild supports out of tree modules
2022-09-30 20:15:37	heat	things Just Work(tm)(r)(C) if you get the proper headers package installed
2022-09-30 20:15:46	heat	that's all it means
2022-09-30 20:15:49	heat	for every distro
2022-09-30 20:16:05	heat	it's how nvidia-dkms and openzfs are built
2022-09-30 20:16:52	Enrico63	Then... why would the book have suggested to configure and build a kernel? Is that one of the suggestions that are indeed outdate?
2022-09-30 20:17:21	heat	I don't know
2022-09-30 20:17:24	Enrico63	Ok
2022-09-30 20:17:25	Psi-Jack	##kernel
2022-09-30 20:17:57	Enrico63	Psi-Jack, I guess whether #kernelnewbies is actually more appropriate :D
2022-09-30 20:18:20	Psi-Jack	Just directing you to a more appropriate channel.
2022-09-30 20:21:40	dontdieych	Enrico63: https://xyproblem.info/ 
2022-09-30 20:21:42	phrik	Title: The XY Problem (at xyproblem.info)
2022-09-30 20:24:05	dontdieych	we can help better if you say you actually want.
2022-09-30 20:25:14	Enrico63	I'm not asking a question different from what I want to know thus misleading you (xyproblem). I just don't know yet how to formulate my questions because I'm still 100% new to the topic.
2022-09-30 20:25:52	dontdieych	so
2022-09-30 20:26:08	Enrico63	So if the question is "what do you want" the answer is a disappointing "I want to understand how to reproduce the example hellow orld on the book"
2022-09-30 20:26:22	Namarrgon	get a kernel tarball from kernel.org, extract it. now you have a kernel tree to play around with.
2022-09-30 20:26:36	Enrico63	But I've already been told it's off topic here, and that's ok
2022-09-30 20:27:26	Enrico63	Namarrgon that's the first microstep I was able to do myself. Kernel 6.0 is waiting for me to play with it :D
2022-09-30 20:27:41	heat	there's no big problem in being offtopic if you're not actually disrupting anything
2022-09-30 20:27:43	Namarrgon	now build a kernel, make sure you can boot into it
2022-09-30 20:28:01	Namarrgon	you can use qemu for testing, so you don't have to reboot the host
2022-09-30 20:28:47	Enrico63	.... I'm already lost. "build A kernel"? If I've downloaded 6.0.... why do you say "A kernel"? How many other choices do I have?
2022-09-30 20:28:53	Warepire	I strongly recommend to use qemu, so driver bugs do not bring your whole system down.
2022-09-30 20:29:13	Namarrgon	Enrico63: one kernel
2022-09-30 20:30:31	Enrico63	yeah, but 6.0 is the only one I've downloaded, so.. how could I build more than one? As in, why don't you say "build THE kernel"? What am I missing?
2022-09-30 20:30:42	Namarrgon	are you trolling?
2022-09-30 20:30:47	Enrico63	Oh, god
2022-09-30 20:30:50	dontdieych	+1
2022-09-30 20:31:36	another|	6.0 is not out yet
2022-09-30 20:31:40	Betal	Enrico63: you have the kernel source code right? the real system cannot boot human readable source code, only binaries, so you need to 'build' it
2022-09-30 20:31:52	topcat001	Why is this confusing? You can build as many branches/versions as you want.
2022-09-30 20:32:02	Enrico63	I've donwloaded it from here: https://kernel.org/
2022-09-30 20:32:03	phrik	Title: The Linux Kernel Archives (at kernel.org)
2022-09-30 20:32:06	Enrico63	mainline
2022-09-30 20:32:14	Psi-Jack	That's rc7, not 6.0
2022-09-30 20:32:43	another|	6.0 is scheduled for release on Sunday
2022-09-30 20:32:52	heat	ok, doesn't matter
2022-09-30 20:32:56	heat	not the time to be pedantic
2022-09-30 20:32:58	Enrico63	I've read "6.0-rc7" and I thought I could refer to it as 6.0
2022-09-30 20:33:14	Namarrgon	or you could call it THE KERNEL
2022-09-30 20:33:18	heat	"build a kernel" in the sense of "build any version, any you like"
2022-09-30 20:33:24	heat	or multiple!
2022-09-30 20:33:43	heat	you have at the very least 100/200 kernel versions
2022-09-30 20:33:48	heat	build them all!
2022-09-30 20:33:49	another|	with any configuration you like
2022-09-30 20:33:54	Enrico63	ok, and I guess for that I just need to find some instruction (I guess maybe just `make && make install` is enough?)
2022-09-30 20:33:57	dontdieych	fishing
2022-09-30 20:34:07	another|	no
2022-09-30 20:34:40	another|	IIRC `make menuconfig; make` but consult a proper guide
2022-09-30 20:35:04	Enrico63	Yeah, ok, but still I just need to find a command or two and execute them. And the kernel will be built
2022-09-30 20:35:07	Namarrgon	if you haven't discovered it yet, we have a wiki, it may or may not contain most answers to the questions you asked
2022-09-30 20:35:10	another|	you obviously need to have a compiler toolchain installed as well
2022-09-30 20:35:19	Namarrgon	kernel.org also have a lot of documentation
2022-09-30 20:35:25	Namarrgon	*has
2022-09-30 20:35:29	Enrico63	Namarrgon, this? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel
2022-09-30 20:35:30	phrik	Title: Kernel - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-30 20:36:00	Namarrgon	that's a start, sure
2022-09-30 20:36:10	Enrico63	ah, maybe this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Compile_kernel_module
2022-09-30 20:36:11	phrik	Title: Compile kernel module - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-30 20:36:23	Namarrgon	no, go back and read the other page first
2022-09-30 20:36:29	Namarrgon	read it, don't skim
2022-09-30 20:36:32	another|	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel/Traditional_compilation
2022-09-30 20:36:34	phrik	Title: Kernel/Traditional compilation - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-09-30 20:39:52	Enrico63	> To be able to boot into kernels, the boot loader has to be configured appropriately.
2022-09-30 20:39:53	Enrico63	So if I install n more kernels, I'll see n more entries in GRUB, right? As in, 1 kernel maps to 1 way of booting my system?
2022-09-30 20:40:34	plarke	yep
2022-09-30 20:41:06	Namarrgon	remember when you installed arch and had to configure your bootloader?
2022-09-30 20:41:09	another|	no
2022-09-30 20:41:24	plarke	It will list the kernels under 'advanced options for Arch Linux'
2022-09-30 20:41:45	another|	you can have multiple boot entries that boot the same kernel with different initrds and/or commandlines
2022-09-30 20:42:15	Enrico63	yeah, ok, I made my statement too strict, sorry :D
2022-09-30 20:42:17	plarke	But I guess just one entry for each OS you have installed in the main screen.
2022-09-30 20:43:12	another|	there are often 2 entries for the same kernel with different initrd
2022-09-30 20:43:21	Enrico63	Namarrgon, well... in part. Everytime I do it (and I've done it probably 4 times in the last 4 years) I mostly follow the wiki, so I don't really understand the all the details
2022-09-30 20:43:21	another|	s/initrd/initramfs/
2022-09-30 20:44:54	plarke	That's true, my bad.
2022-09-30 20:57:34	jason0597	I'm trying to get default ACLs to work. I have a directory with "default:other::rwx" (and user, group,and default😷:rwx), all done through setfacl -dm. However whenever I touch a new file inside the directory, it inherits the user and group default ACLs, but not the "others" default ACL.
2022-09-30 20:57:44	jason0597	Would anyone have some pointers on how to figure this out?
2022-09-30 20:58:29	Psi-Jack	jason0597: Are you touching said file as root?
2022-09-30 20:59:25	jason0597	I'm not, I'm touching it as a regular user
2022-09-30 20:59:50	Psi-Jack	Okay, and do you see a + just right of the permission flags on an ls output?
2022-09-30 21:00:11	Psi-Jack	Example: drwxr-xr-x+
2022-09-30 21:01:34	jason0597	yup, Psi-Jack: https://i.imgur.com/BRzumPE.png
2022-09-30 21:01:59	Psi-Jack	Please use text pastes, not images.
2022-09-30 21:02:11	jason0597	ah sorry
2022-09-30 21:02:17	jason0597	!paste
2022-09-30 21:02:18	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-09-30 21:02:34	jason0597	drwxrwxrwx+ 274 1002 media 275 Sep 30 19:58 movies
2022-09-30 21:02:47	Psi-Jack	And, sheash, why would you set it literally 777? I should slap you silly.
2022-09-30 21:03:29	jason0597	It was from a long time ago when I didn't know what I was doing and I was trying to get it to work, I'm trying to clean it up now with a proper setup of ACL entries
2022-09-30 21:04:13	Psi-Jack	Gotcha. So, default ACL's apply to new directories and files as they're being added, The regular ACLs are what's on that specific entry now.
2022-09-30 21:04:20	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-09-30 21:05:54	jason0597	that's the problem, I've added default ACLs to the "movies" folder, I cd into it, then I touch a new file/folder inside "movies", expecting it to have the default ACLs, but it only inherits the user and group ACLs, not the "others" ACLs
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2022-09-30 21:06:13	Psi-Jack	SHow me getfacl on this new file.
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2022-09-30 21:07:31	jason0597	https://paste.rs/mVS
2022-09-30 21:08:01	jason0597	(I know it's all rwx/777 but it's only temporary until I can get the default ACLs to inherit properly and then I'll fix it)
2022-09-30 21:08:04	Psi-Jack	That's the same "movies" directory, not the file.
2022-09-30 21:08:59	jason0597	So for example, I touch a file inside "movies" (called "aaa_file"), and here is its getfacl: https://paste.rs/6Yf
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2022-09-30 21:09:39	Psi-Jack	Yep. That looks correct. group:media:rwx is there, and other is likely --- because of your own user's umask .
2022-09-30 21:10:06	Psi-Jack	If you created a new directory, the same defaults should carry over.
2022-09-30 21:11:06	Psi-Jack	but your own umask of your own user, creating a new file, will override defaults of new files for the standard user, group, other, while ACLs will add additional users and/or groups, which is where you explicitely focus your attentions to when utilizing ACLs properly.
2022-09-30 21:11:38	jason0597	Ohhh it's the umask, I forgot about that
2022-09-30 21:11:42	Psi-Jack	heh
2022-09-30 21:12:19	Psi-Jack	As long as "media" group members are accessing it, though, they would still have group-level authorization accordingly.
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2022-09-30 21:14:46	jason0597	ideally yes, however unfortunately this is all on a ZFS drive, and ZFS gid permissions can't translate over to an LXD container (real gid vs fake gid mismatch), so I'm trying to get perms for "others" to work
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2022-09-30 21:15:23	Psi-Jack	ZFS, well there's your first problem, LXD is your other. 😛
2022-09-30 21:16:20	jason0597	ehh LXD is fine, better than docker imo
2022-09-30 21:16:34	jason0597	There's not much technology for containers on Linux
2022-09-30 21:16:39	Psi-Jack	lxc is fine. lxd is Canonical-made garbage.
2022-09-30 21:16:43	jason0597	I would use jails if I was on BSD but Linux doesn't have them
2022-09-30 21:17:00	mefistofeles	lxd is nice
2022-09-30 21:17:01	Psi-Jack	jails aren't really "all that" people think they are. 😛
2022-09-30 21:17:16	mefistofeles	jason0597: well, linux has containers, which is similar
2022-09-30 21:17:25	mefistofeles	I'd say "better" even, but that's relative
2022-09-30 21:17:49	jason0597	yeah, which is why I'm using Linux Containers 
2022-09-30 21:17:56	mefistofeles	ah I see, gotcha
2022-09-30 21:18:12	jason0597	haven't had issues with LXD so far
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2022-09-30 21:19:02	jason0597	the wiki page on LXD is a bit all over the place but I was thinking of adding a few touches here and there, I've already added a paragraph on disk devices 
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2022-09-30 21:22:10	Psi-Jack	Heh, all this time I wasn't sure why my time machine was annoying me about not having backups, but just realized, since the move, I hadn't plugged in my external USB drive I dedicated to use for backups to my NAS. heh. 
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2022-10-02 04:51:07	Namarrgon	mkinictcpio.conf or the preset of the kernel in question
2022-10-02 04:51:12	Namarrgon	*mkinitcpio.conf
2022-10-02 04:54:03	Psi-Jack	Mmmm, We're switching up cpio to ctcp for initrd are we? 😀
2022-10-02 04:54:20	susi	clcuc: /usr/share/libalpm has the hooks and the scripts the hooks execute when triggered, the one in question is 90-mkinitcpio-install.hook which fires the mkinitcpio-install script
2022-10-02 04:54:37	jibartik50	namarrgon: cat /proc/cmdline
2022-10-02 04:55:16	clcuc	susi,  so, every time I run `pacman -S linux` , the ALPM hook gets activated and automaticallt runs `mkinitcpio -P linux` ?
2022-10-02 04:55:32	jibartik50	BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-linux root=/dev/mapper/system-root rw cryptdevice=94157c42-229a-44ea-9df1-5f5bc0474b2c:system loglevel=3 quiet
2022-10-02 04:56:28	susi	clcuc: see /usr/share/libalpm/scripts/mkinitcpio-install for what it does, but you don't have to run mkinitcpio yourself when you install a kernel
2022-10-02 04:56:57	jibartik50	the /proc/version is the same as i posted above ( Linux version 5.19.6-arch1-1 (linux@archlinux) ...)
2022-10-02 04:57:03	clcuc	susi,  the info about /usr/share/libalpm is pretty cool. You an Arch core maintainer?  
2022-10-02 04:57:13	Namarrgon	jibartik50: pacman -Q linux
2022-10-02 04:57:25	susi	clcuc: no, I'm just a user
2022-10-02 04:57:27	Namarrgon	that's not the version that should be installed into the new system
2022-10-02 04:57:39	jibartik50	you're right im wrong
2022-10-02 04:57:42	jibartik50	its a diff version
2022-10-02 04:57:51	jibartik50	linux version 5.19.12-arch1-1
2022-10-02 04:58:10	Namarrgon	so that was a typo or what?
2022-10-02 04:58:24	jibartik50	yeah i copied pasted from above without comparing them
2022-10-02 04:58:36	Namarrgon	when you chroot into the system, do you mount /boot before you rebuild the images?
2022-10-02 04:59:10	jibartik50	yes
2022-10-02 04:59:36	clcuc	Wait, is this a problem with the 5.19.12 kernel? I also had a problem yesterday with 5.19.12 that took me 8 hours to resolve. People were saying that it's not the kernel's fault, because otherwise more people would be complaining.  
2022-10-02 04:59:45	jibartik50	for kicks i'll try it again
2022-10-02 04:59:46	Namarrgon	jibartik50: lsinitcpio /boot/initramfs-linux.img | grep lvm
2022-10-02 05:00:22	jibartik50	gotta enter chroot will take moment(s)
2022-10-02 05:00:36	jibartik50	from within intramfs console lsinitcpio notfound
2022-10-02 05:00:46	Namarrgon	np, i'm signing out for tonight, good luck!
2022-10-02 05:00:52	jibartik50	fuck lol
2022-10-02 05:00:54	bluetail	If I do a reboot, will the hard disk be shut off and turned on again, or will it still run physically?
2022-10-02 05:01:01	jibartik50	i appreciate everything
2022-10-02 05:01:32	Namarrgon	there are smarter cookies than me in this pond here, they'll pick it up from here
2022-10-02 05:01:43	clcuc	jibartik50,  did 5.19.12 break your PC ?  Because I had a similar problem yesterday after upgrading from 5.19.11 to 5.19.12 . 
2022-10-02 05:02:03	susi	clcuc: what was your issue and how you resolved it
2022-10-02 05:02:05	jibartik50	clcuc im installing a system from scratch not upgrading one
2022-10-02 05:02:28	bluetail	clcuc running 5.19.12-zen1-1-zen and no issues here. A bit diff than the other none zen tho... shouldnt be too diff tho?
2022-10-02 05:03:02	bluetail	what other parameters do we have? I have secureboot disabled
2022-10-02 05:07:25	clcuc	jibartik50,  oh, nvm then, I thought you were snek (a user here). He said that he was having problems with his PC or something.  
2022-10-02 05:09:28	susi	clcuc: could you answer my question, I'm curious
2022-10-02 05:09:51	clcuc	susi,  iwd, X11, and Wayland started throwing errors and refused to work after upgrading to 5.19.12 . The solution was to do all the GRUB configuration as it were a new Arch install. I think I made some mistakes during original installation though. So still not sure if it was the kernel's fault or not.   
2022-10-02 05:10:30	clcuc	Btw, what happened to snek? He sais he was going to boot his PC from an Ubuntu liveUSb or something. 
2022-10-02 05:13:26	clcuc	s/sais/said/
2022-10-02 05:13:30	clcuc	Oh, snek left the room. I wonder what happened to him. He said his computer stopped working properly after updating today. Which is pretty much the same thing what happened to me yesterday. 
2022-10-02 05:15:33	susi	but how could GRUB configuration affect those things in any way..
2022-10-02 05:35:33	susi	clcuc: maybe you had some garbage in your kernel cmdline, no other way your grub configs could affect wayland/x/iwd
2022-10-02 05:36:00	clcuc	susi,  where can I find my kernel cmdline?  And how does garbage get into it? 
2022-10-02 05:38:08	snek	ubuntu seems to be booting
2022-10-02 05:38:21	snek	time to mount the drive and see if there are any interesting logs i guess
2022-10-02 05:40:06	susi	clcuc: cat /proc/cmdline
2022-10-02 05:40:28	snek	acpi bios error
2022-10-02 05:40:30	susi	clcuc: by you putting stuff in /etc/default/grub
2022-10-02 05:40:33	snek	never seen that before
2022-10-02 05:42:29	clcuc	snek, your problem is that the screen keeps flashing? Or that Arch doesn't boot at all? 
2022-10-02 05:43:47	snek	clcuc: i don't know how far it gets booting, i can't get any tty
2022-10-02 05:43:51	snek	screen just flashses
2022-10-02 05:44:18	snek	so now i'm on an ubuntu live (cuz arch live had the same issue) doing some sleuthing
2022-10-02 05:45:05	snek	where is the last dmesg
2022-10-02 05:45:08	snek	its not in /var/log/dmesg
2022-10-02 05:45:22	clcuc	What kernel was your archLiveUSB using? I mean output of `uname -a`
2022-10-02 05:46:00	snek	i don't know, the iso is 2022.10.01 though
2022-10-02 05:48:00	snek	ok 1.4 million lines of `*ERROR* Fault errors on pipe A: 0x00000080`
2022-10-02 05:48:05	susi	snek: have you tried launching the fallback image from the bootloader menu?
2022-10-02 05:48:05	snek	from i915
2022-10-02 05:48:11	snek	i have no fallback image
2022-10-02 05:48:13	snek	that would be smart though
2022-10-02 05:48:20	snek	i am going to ensure i have that after i get this fixed
2022-10-02 05:48:21	susi	but the archiso has
2022-10-02 05:49:06	snek	i don't think i can fix this error
2022-10-02 05:49:14	snek	is there a way to downgrade a kernel in a chroot
2022-10-02 05:49:20	bluetail	hoping they arent using manjaro or so
2022-10-02 05:49:30	snek	i'm not using manjaro
2022-10-02 05:49:37	clcuc	susi, assuming the liveArchUSB uses 5.19.12, what kernel version does the fallback image uses? 
2022-10-02 05:50:30	jibartik50	I'm now officially running a bootable archlinux system!
2022-10-02 05:50:37	snek	nice
2022-10-02 05:50:40	clcuc	snek,  that's exactly what I did with my problem yesterday. I had to downgrade to 5.19.11 . I even thought I will stay with 5.19.11 until 5.19.13 comes out, because 5.19.11 was working (and still works) perfectly fine with my PC. 
2022-10-02 05:51:00	snek	i guess i should probably not attempt this from an ubuntu chroot
2022-10-02 05:51:11	susi	I thought you said you only re-installed your grub
2022-10-02 05:51:17	snek	man why does the kernel have to randomly break today
2022-10-02 05:51:23	clcuc	snek,  I ran `pacman -U /path/to/linux-5.19.11.zst`
2022-10-02 05:51:23	susi	switching kernels is worth mentioning too
2022-10-02 05:51:51	clcuc	susi,  it was 8 hours solving the problem. I did many things. 
2022-10-02 05:53:25	clcuc	If I'm not getting the path wrong, then the command would be `pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/linux-5.19.11-stuff.zst`
2022-10-02 05:54:25	clcuc	jibartik50,  cool
2022-10-02 05:55:16	jibartik50	now seems a good time to ask a question!: i last used linux before systemd was the default init system and i've heard chatter about how its bad. is there merit to replacing systemd with another init system and can someone break down the debate?
2022-10-02 05:56:44	throstur	 jibartik50 systemd good, qed.
2022-10-02 05:57:21	jibartik50	whither init.d?
2022-10-02 05:57:53	jibartik50	im building my understanding as i build this system so this seems a good time to learn about init
2022-10-02 05:58:51	bluetail	is there nothing in the wiki?
2022-10-02 06:01:16	clcuc	snek,  I'm about to leave, but was wondering how are you doing. Did you downgrade to linux-5.19.11 ? 
2022-10-02 06:03:14	snek	i was trying to see if i could discover anything else
2022-10-02 06:03:23	snek	gonna try going back into live iso with older kernel in a sec
2022-10-02 06:03:59	bluetail	jibartik50 there are many articles... but shorthand systemd did replace init cause init had shortcomings... Assuming this source is legit. https://www.tecmint.com/systemd-replaces-init-in-linux/
2022-10-02 06:04:01	phrik	Title: The Story Behind 'init' and 'systemd': Why 'init' Needed to be Replaced with 'systemd' in Linux (at www.tecmint.com)
2022-10-02 06:04:36	bluetail	perhaps also read the comments
2022-10-02 06:05:41	bluetail	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/init
2022-10-02 06:05:43	phrik	Title: init - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-02 06:05:46	bluetail	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/systemd
2022-10-02 06:05:47	phrik	Title: systemd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-02 06:06:48	snek	oh shit it booted
2022-10-02 06:06:59	snek	i need to take a video of this, this is fucked up
2022-10-02 06:07:09	clcuc	snek,  yeah video would be cool. 
2022-10-02 06:08:14	vardo	Hello. I have two video cards on my HP laptop, one is Intel, the other is Nvidia. What are they for? Should I assume one if for HDMI output and the other for the builtin screen?
2022-10-02 06:08:28	clcuc	snek,  so before now it wasn't booting? Is the archLiveUSB what was not booting? Because I think you said your PC was booting alright, the problem being only that the screen flashes.  
2022-10-02 06:08:28	snek_	test
2022-10-02 06:08:59	snek	i thought it was not booting at all
2022-10-02 06:09:01	snek	but maybe it was
2022-10-02 06:09:09	snek	basically whats happening right now is that the screen is flashing on and off
2022-10-02 06:09:20	snek	and when its on i can see my normal login screen
2022-10-02 06:09:22	snek	except its red
2022-10-02 06:10:01	clcuc	vardo,  so one is integrated graphics and the other one is a dedicated graphics card? Is this a new laptop you just bought? 
2022-10-02 06:11:28	vardo	clcuc, it is 7 years old or so. Can they both output to the builtin screen and an external monitor? I would have assumed they could only do one at a time.
2022-10-02 06:11:45	snek	feeling very stupid that i do not have sshd enabled by default rn
2022-10-02 06:15:55	snek	hmmm looks like this might be it https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2059823
2022-10-02 06:15:55	phrik	Title: linux-zen 5.19.12.zen1-1 makes my laptop unusable / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-10-02 06:17:21	clcuc	vardo,  yeah, it's one at a time. I don't think you could use your Intel GPU for your built-in screen while at the same time using your Nvidia GPU for HDMI output. That would require very special hardware, very unlikely for a 7-year old laptop. You can't use both GPUs for your built-in screen either. Just one GPU for your built-in screen. 
2022-10-02 06:18:06	vardo	clcuc, but I _can_ use both the builtin screen and an external one on windows, how does it work?
2022-10-02 06:19:08	clcuc	vardo,  yes, you can use your built-in screen together with an external monitor, using only one GPU. That is, only one GPU will be output-ing video to both your built-in screen and external monitor. 
2022-10-02 06:19:20	jibartik50	goodnight #archlinux, thanks for the help!
2022-10-02 06:20:04	snek	is linux-lts the right move in this situation
2022-10-02 06:20:05	clcuc	vardo,  what I was trying to say is that you cannot use both your Intel GPU and Nvidia GPU at the same time to output video to your built-in screen. 
2022-10-02 06:20:05	vardo	clcuc, OK. So if one screen uses 3d acceleration that requires nvidia, the other screen will be managed by the nvidia card too?
2022-10-02 06:20:10	snek	as like a medium term fix
2022-10-02 06:20:24	clcuc	vardo,  your last comment is correct.  
2022-10-02 06:20:59	vardo	clcuc, what about multi-adapter technology? I just read that
2022-10-02 06:21:09	Hylden	Can you guys build forkgram (AUR)? The latest versions have stopped working for me and there are no comments on the aur indicating there's a problem for others
2022-10-02 06:21:23	vardo	clcuc, it seems there is a way to combine both GPU computational power, don't know on linux though
2022-10-02 06:40:53	glitsj16	Hylden: i'm not familiar with forkgram, but a quick check on the AUR shows there's also forkgram-bin (static binary)
2022-10-02 06:41:12	Hylden	glitsj16: yeah, I want to compile my own, though
2022-10-02 06:41:46	glitsj16	Hylden: i'll try to build here in a clean chroot
2022-10-02 06:41:58	Hylden	Um... thanks for bothering :D
2022-10-02 06:43:07	bougyman	hrm.
2022-10-02 06:43:13	bougyman	Is Netflix down?
2022-10-02 06:43:41	glitsj16	No problem, having a quiet sunday morning anyway :)
2022-10-02 06:43:55	glitsj16	Hylden: i'll report back
2022-10-02 06:57:57	glitsj16	Hylden: so far so good, it's still building steadily... for your information, this is what i'm doing --> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:Building_in_a_clean_chroot
2022-10-02 06:57:58	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:Building in a clean chroot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-02 06:58:46	Hylden	glitsj16: hmm, my problem might be my arcane build flags, then. It's weird that it crashes on building that kfcoreaddons dependency, though.
2022-10-02 07:01:13	glitsj16	Hylden: yeah that might break stuff, but it's not finished yet so hang on...
2022-10-02 07:04:52	Hylden	glitsj16: thanks for the attempt, though. Appreciate it.
2022-10-02 07:09:42	glitsj16	Hylden: How arcane are your build flags if i might ask?
2022-10-02 07:10:37	Hylden	glitsj16: it'd make this chatroom's heads explode with "no, those flags do nothing, you're being an idiot, why are you so non-standard?!"
2022-10-02 07:10:57	glitsj16	Hylden: heh, understood
2022-10-02 07:11:00	Hylden	glitsj16: on a more serious note, flags like -Ofast, -funroll-loops and others :D
2022-10-02 07:12:08	Hylden	glitsj16: this is the error if you're curious https://paste.ee/p/9A9XV
2022-10-02 07:12:10	phrik	Title: Paste.ee - View paste 9A9XV (at paste.ee)
2022-10-02 07:13:04	glitsj16	Hylden: they might not do anything, cannot judge that, but maybe you're customizing some of those cmake flags inside the PKGBUILD?
2022-10-02 07:13:13	glitsj16	ah great, having a look
2022-10-02 07:14:01	snek	ok i am very weirded out
2022-10-02 07:14:17	snek	i have an efi partition that never gets mounted and /boot on my drive is full of stuff
2022-10-02 07:14:27	snek	i hate uefi
2022-10-02 07:16:26	Not_Leader	snek: that sounds like an fstab problem
2022-10-02 07:18:26	snek	yeah i seem to have not mounted the efi partition when i installed this however many years ago lol
2022-10-02 07:23:53	j-james	hi all, dumb question: what should your partition layout look like when installing arch in a vm? (as opposed to on a real disk)
2022-10-02 07:25:07	sheep	it can look like anything
2022-10-02 07:25:16	sheep	you could do one giant partition
2022-10-02 07:25:18	j-james	i've been hitting errors about disks being previously mounted while trying to use archinstall in gnome-boxes and suspect i have some fundamental misconception
2022-10-02 07:25:24	j-james	hmm
2022-10-02 07:25:43	snek	alrighty i am back into my laptop wooo
2022-10-02 07:25:50	sheep	but almost anything that works on a real disk should work in a VM
2022-10-02 07:26:08	snek	my efi is a bit messy though
2022-10-02 07:26:14	snek	is /boot/EFI/EFI supposed to exist
2022-10-02 07:26:16	snek	i feel like that's a duplicate
2022-10-02 07:26:34	sheep	is /boot/EFI the mount point for the EFI System partition?
2022-10-02 07:26:51	Thaodan	sheep: please read the wiki
2022-10-02 07:26:58	Thaodan	There's an article about it.
2022-10-02 07:27:05	sheep	Thaodan: not what I meant
2022-10-02 07:27:13	sheep	I am asking how snek set up their system
2022-10-02 07:27:30	snek	sheep: no its /boot
2022-10-02 07:27:37	sheep	people don't always rigidly follow the wiki, and I remember the wiki having some places that use /efi and others that use /boot/efi
2022-10-02 07:27:50	sheep	huh. EFI/EFI on an EFI partition is weird
2022-10-02 07:27:53	snek	basically i've had this install for a long while
2022-10-02 07:27:56	bluetail	unpopular
2022-10-02 07:27:58	j-james	sheep: even with the stuff that doesn't allocate all disk space?
2022-10-02 07:28:02	snek	and apparently i never mounted the efi partition
2022-10-02 07:28:03	bluetail	I use archinstall 
2022-10-02 07:28:04	snek	when i installed it
2022-10-02 07:28:07	snek	so it was just sitting there unused
2022-10-02 07:28:17	snek	which then resulted in some weird bad stuff when i tried to rescue my system just now
2022-10-02 07:28:24	snek	so i fixed it not being used and got grub reinstalled and stuff
2022-10-02 07:28:27	sheep	j-james: you mean disk images that don't allocate all of the space in the image file?
2022-10-02 07:28:32	snek	but i think i might have made a bit of a mess on the partition
2022-10-02 07:28:36	j-james	yeah
2022-10-02 07:28:40	snek	not that that is really *bad* but its annoying :)
2022-10-02 07:29:18	j-james	i'm wondering if partitioning those on a /dev/vda is causing problems
2022-10-02 07:29:29	sheep	j-james: those can be partitioned the same way. The guest system would see it as a regular drive, but the VM will automatically read unallocated space as zeros and automatically allocate space when you write to unallocated space
2022-10-02 07:31:55	snek	sheep: yeah looks sus lol, i am gonna delete it and see what happens https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ojLB0D0P/boot-tree.txt
2022-10-02 07:31:56	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-10-02 07:34:46	Thaodan	You can use whatever layout for the efi partition but for those that you a separate boot partition anyway using /boot as efi is handy
2022-10-02 07:35:38	j-james	sheep: i see, thanks
2022-10-02 07:35:47	j-james	seems like i'm running into a different bug then
2022-10-02 08:11:24	KeKou	-nick gehidore online?
2022-10-02 08:11:57	chromebittin	gehidore
2022-10-02 08:12:41	KeKou	chromebittin: the command to send message to someone is?
2022-10-02 08:12:56	sheep	/msg <name> <message>
2022-10-02 08:12:59	chromebittin	as sheep said
2022-10-02 08:13:22	KeKou	sheep: thanks
2022-10-02 08:13:29	KeKou	chromebittin: thanks
2022-10-02 08:16:04	chromebittin	np
2022-10-02 08:55:57	bluetail	can you temporarily block uvcvideo ?
2022-10-02 08:56:10	bluetail	Or is it enough to unload the module when unused?
2022-10-02 08:58:45	bluetail	I guess thats the way to go... modprobe -r uvcvideo I'll just write a service for systemd
2022-10-02 09:16:29	i00nsu	Hi all, I install mplayer and I am trying to player all video-subdirectory tree, but mplayer say that the max lenght is 160 characters while I need 300 or more.. any way to fix that? 
2022-10-02 09:17:09	ponies	i00nsu: what command are you using? 
2022-10-02 09:17:29	i00nsu	ponies: mplayer */*
2022-10-02 09:18:41	ponies	i00nsu: what bout mplayer ** ? 
2022-10-02 09:19:27	i00nsu	ponies: same error message
2022-10-02 09:20:46	mpan	Whatever is the reason mplayer rejects that, note that this kind of invocation may be problematic due to command line length limit. Hard to hit, but not impossible (I did many times). mplayer accepts playlists: consider using that instead.
2022-10-02 09:21:17	i00nsu	first * is only directories.. inside each directory, I have the media files .. it should work like that 
2022-10-02 09:21:39	i00nsu	mpan ok.. I can try that approach .. thanks 
2022-10-02 09:22:14	mpan	Use `find` to list the files: I believe that even bash process redirection will work with that.
2022-10-02 09:23:11	mpan	Will fail with file names containing newlines tho, as I think no playlist format accepted by mplayer permits newlines in file names.
2022-10-02 09:25:33	mpan	i00nsu: does mplayer support single-instance mode and enqueueing files?
2022-10-02 09:25:43	mpan	I see -enqueue option, but not sure if it works as I think it does.
2022-10-02 09:26:56	mpan	If it does, you may try `find PATH_TO_PARENT -type f -exec mplayer -enqueue {} \+`.
2022-10-02 09:26:58	i00nsu	ok.. the 'find -name *.mp4 > playlist' && 'mplayer -playlist playlist' is working fine. thanks for the tips 
2022-10-02 09:27:37	mpan	NO
2022-10-02 09:27:59	mpan	You miss quotation marks around '*.mp4'.
2022-10-02 09:28:31	mpan	Without that shell expands that glob.
2022-10-02 09:32:01	mpan	Also see if `mplayer -playlist <(find PATH_TO_DIR -name '*.mp4')` works, if that’s bash.
2022-10-02 09:33:02	i00nsu	is workingis working.. I just need to sort names since is organized by numbers.. but is working !!! thanks
2022-10-02 09:41:17	dontdieych	i00nsu:  mplayer -playlist <(find PATH_TO_DIR -name '*.mp4'|sort) maybe?
2022-10-02 09:41:43	dontdieych	mpv is also good
2022-10-02 09:52:40	glitsj16	dontdieych: yeah, it all depends on hardware i guess; HWA video decoding can make a huge difference on resource consumption
2022-10-02 11:35:20	KeKou	What translation tools do you usually use? on command line. 
2022-10-02 11:38:08	bluetail	translate-shell
2022-10-02 11:41:44	KeKou	bluetail: Unfortunately, we can't use google translate anymore. I'm looking for other solutions.
2022-10-02 11:42:23	bluetail	KeKou oh, business use-case. Sensitive data?
2022-10-02 11:42:40	KeKou	bluetail: China, haha
2022-10-02 11:44:16	docmax	guys i have a problem
2022-10-02 11:44:24	KeKou	bluetail: google closed the google translation here last month.
2022-10-02 11:44:43	docmax	linux-next-git has issues
2022-10-02 11:46:18	Not_Leader	KeKou: deepl?
2022-10-02 11:46:30	bluetail	KeKou what do you mean, google translate API is still open. Is it blocked for you?
2022-10-02 11:47:04	bluetail	Neither DeepL or Google would be professional enough for a corporate, I guess
2022-10-02 11:49:34	artefact	!give docmax errors
2022-10-02 11:49:34	phrik	docmax: Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2022-10-02 11:54:30	KeKou	bluetail: `trans :zh "hello"`, [ERROR] Null response.
2022-10-02 11:55:23	bluetail	KeKou try 'trans -from de -to en apfel'
2022-10-02 11:56:41	docmax	artefact, http://ix.io/4c55
2022-10-02 11:58:38	bluetail	If that doesnt work, setup a proxy
2022-10-02 11:58:51	bluetail	if that doesnt work, yea, use another auxillary service
2022-10-02 11:59:18	docmax	and when is kernel 6.0 giong to be released? they say sunday. today it's sunday.
2022-10-02 11:59:50	KeKou	bluetail: In China can not directly open the google site, need vpn. I Guess 'trans -from ..' not work.
2022-10-02 12:00:02	bluetail	oh
2022-10-02 12:00:08	bluetail	I understand now. I thought it was a joke
2022-10-02 12:01:18	KeKou	bluetail: haha, Reality is more magical than the movie.
2022-10-02 12:01:29	bluetail	I will try deepqt
2022-10-02 12:01:38	bluetail	needs python-pip
2022-10-02 12:02:00	bluetail	oh wait, thats a UI :/
2022-10-02 12:02:01	bluetail	wrong thing
2022-10-02 12:04:23	bluetail	KeKou services like DeepL would require a API key -> cost. Package would be deepl-python . I try to find another way for u
2022-10-02 12:05:00	KeKou	bluetail: Yeah, I'm used to using translate shell now. Looking for a replacement.
2022-10-02 12:05:13	bluetail	hmm...
2022-10-02 12:06:21	KeKou	bluetail: The Great Wall, haha
2022-10-02 12:06:52	KeKou	bluetail: Should let trump knows about it.
2022-10-02 12:06:55	bluetail	KeKou do you know if youdao would work
2022-10-02 12:07:01	bluetail	or if you need API key for that too
2022-10-02 12:07:27	bluetail	services like DeepL cost 5 $ month for limited usage
2022-10-02 12:07:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-10-02 12:08:21	coruja	With a DeepL API Free account you can translate up to 500,000 characters/month for free.
2022-10-02 12:08:30	bluetail	oh
2022-10-02 12:08:35	bluetail	I only seen the numbers, my bad
2022-10-02 12:08:39	Zta	Hi. I recently moved from Ubuntu to Arch. And I just wanted to say that I really like it =)
2022-10-02 12:08:54	bluetail	https://www.deepl.com/pro#developer
2022-10-02 12:09:08	bluetail	KeKou can u get a free key there
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2022-10-02 12:10:08	bluetail	Seems pretty straightforward to use with https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/python-deepl
2022-10-02 12:10:10	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - python-deepl (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-10-02 12:10:37	gnana	has anyone used starship ?
2022-10-02 12:11:11	dav1d	gnana, I am using it
2022-10-02 12:11:47	gnana	dav1d: http://pastie.org/p/1hMrGCraOMgXABPZ4DlIim its not displaying $battery
2022-10-02 12:11:48	phrik	Title: Pastie (at pastie.org)
2022-10-02 12:11:49	gnana	?
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2022-10-02 12:12:29	dav1d	gnana, is it enabled, also my battery status only displays when it is below 30%
2022-10-02 12:12:30	KeKou	bluetail: thanks, auth_key??
2022-10-02 12:13:19	gnana	dav1d: thanks
2022-10-02 12:13:25	Rayyan	does this look like a good bug report or should i add more info? https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/76090
2022-10-02 12:13:26	phrik	Title: FS#76090 : [android-tools] 33.0.3-1 breaks creating boot images with mkbootimg (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-10-02 12:14:22	bluetail	KeKou its the API key you get from the DeepL site I posted
2022-10-02 12:14:25	bluetail	needs free account
2022-10-02 12:15:06	KeKou	bluetail: Yeah, get it now.
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2022-10-02 12:32:05	gnana	dav1d: https://termbin.com/xcsj i showing time?
2022-10-02 12:32:11	gnana	its not showing time*
2022-10-02 12:32:35	gnana	can you help?
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2022-10-02 12:39:58	glitsj16	Rayyan: looks fine to me. Not much else you can add i think. Tried searching for that missing python module 'gki' but coming up empty on that...
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2022-10-02 12:41:24	gnana	anyone else can help me with starship prompt?
2022-10-02 12:42:04	gnana	http://ix.io/4c5e
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2022-10-02 12:51:59	bluetail	DeepL requires a credit card for free usage
2022-10-02 12:52:13	bluetail	through the free API
2022-10-02 12:52:29	bluetail	have to say, never had a cc...
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2022-10-02 12:53:48	mpan	bluetail: the webapp works without issues, requires no credit card here. What country that is?
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2022-10-02 12:54:43	bluetail	mpan we were talking about the CLI. Of course you can work around with it using the web front end through the CLI ... with curl and the likes
2022-10-02 12:55:45	bluetail	but consider that a 'hack'
2022-10-02 12:55:54	mpan	bluetail: then it’s not that weird: requiring a CC number is one of the proof-of-personhood schemes, quite common.
2022-10-02 12:56:22	bluetail	right
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2022-10-02 12:58:08	mpan	It’s quite invasive, but there is also really no good alternatives.
2022-10-02 12:58:28	bluetail	if theres nothing on github I could write a wrapper
2022-10-02 12:58:55	mpan	Consider not destroying the service for everybody…
2022-10-02 12:58:59	◣	cubo (~cubo@user/cubo) ha salido (Quit: cubo)
2022-10-02 12:59:15	mpan	Currently this is the only decent free service that is not Goofle.
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2022-10-02 12:59:53	bluetail	hold on, this one seems to work https://github.com/ptrstn/deepl-translate
2022-10-02 12:59:58	bluetail	I didnt need a key...
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2022-10-02 13:21:16	KeKou	bluetail: yeah, I can use web translation, but I would prefer to use the command line.
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2022-10-03 18:09:46	greentail	brocellous, in my case, your pacman -Qo command returns only the kernel itself. So that's just only one package. 
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2022-10-03 18:11:31	derzahl	any ideas why on my one system, only the most recent boots logs seem to be retained? 
2022-10-03 18:11:33	derzahl	]$ journalctl --list-boot
2022-10-03 18:11:33	derzahl	IDX BOOT ID                          FIRST ENTRY                 LAST ENTRY                 
2022-10-03 18:11:33	derzahl	 -3 c034d13cdc4b4bee96074d32a14b08f3 Sun 2022-08-07 16:16:08 PDT Sun 2022-08-07 16:22:31 PDT
2022-10-03 18:11:33	derzahl	 -2 c9153172496a4e4c8eda813e09d840e0 Tue 2022-08-09 17:36:32 PDT Wed 2022-08-10 00:13:46 PDT
2022-10-03 18:11:33	derzahl	 -1 6a3213a58b7e4b2ba399a21ba513c61e Fri 2022-08-19 18:28:27 PDT Fri 2022-08-19 19:55:57 PDT
2022-10-03 18:11:35	derzahl	  0 3523318cd1cd4b03b79166a6afdebe92 Mon 2022-10-03 09:03:28 PDT Mon 2022-10-03 09:08:10 PDT
2022-10-03 18:12:02	Namarrgon	how large is the /var/log fs and how much free space is there?
2022-10-03 18:12:31	derzahl	it has been booted many many times between 8-19 and 10-03, and /etc/systemd/journald.conf is all defaults
2022-10-03 18:12:37	Namarrgon	check /etc/systemd/journald.conf for the current limits
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2022-10-03 18:12:59	Namarrgon	the defaults put a limit on the journal size
2022-10-03 18:13:01	derzahl	z/Arch/var/log               48G  7.6M   48G   1% /var/log
2022-10-03 18:13:41	heat	unclean shutdowns maybe?
2022-10-03 18:13:55	greentail	derzahl, when I run that command without sudo, I get 34 boot logs. But when I run it with sudo, I get 36. 
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2022-10-03 18:15:10	heat	i have a whole year of journals
2022-10-03 18:15:18	derzahl	heat: there have been unclean shutdowns but should that prevent new boots from creating new entries?
2022-10-03 18:15:22	heat	always shutdown with "shutdown"
2022-10-03 18:15:29	greentail	Namarrgon, how can I check how large is my /var/log fs ?  
2022-10-03 18:15:36	heat	(not saying you should, but that's what I do)
2022-10-03 18:15:43	heat	derzahl, i would expect not
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2022-10-03 18:16:26	heat	derzahl, could it be possible that you're not shuting down and booting but hibernating and resuming?
2022-10-03 18:16:31	greentail	heat, does plain 'shutdown' works fine? I always do `shutdown now` . I thought plain shutdown made you wait one minute? 
2022-10-03 18:16:36	heat	yes shutdown now
2022-10-03 18:17:07	astralc	what wrong with poweroff?
2022-10-03 18:17:21	heat	nothing
2022-10-03 18:17:28	derzahl	no, i dont even have hibernate working correctly.  and lately i have been doing hard reboots due to hangs. and it would be really nice to have the logs from before the hang:)
2022-10-03 18:17:41	heat	that would do it I think
2022-10-03 18:17:47	Namarrgon	greentail: df -h
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2022-10-03 18:18:26	Namarrgon	derzahl: check the journald journal, see why it vacuumed the journal
2022-10-03 18:18:27	greentail	Namarrgon, `df` does not show me anything mounted on /var/log
2022-10-03 18:18:44	Namarrgon	greentail: then go up the tree until you find the top-most filesystem
2022-10-03 18:19:10	greentail	astralc, how do oyu use poweroff? like `poweroff now` ? 
2022-10-03 18:19:22	astralc	no, just 'poweroff'
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2022-10-03 18:19:44	greentail	Namarrgon, the top-most fs is / . I thought that was the same for most people? 
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2022-10-03 18:20:23	Namarrgon	i don't have any statistics at hand to confirm but most people have a /-fs, some also split out /var and /var/log
2022-10-03 18:20:23	damjan	some people might want /var on a separate FS, or even /var/lib /var/log /var/cache on their own
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2022-10-03 18:20:34	teraflops	fs/snapshots
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2022-10-03 18:22:21	greentail	is it better to separate my fs into /var/lib , /var/log, /var/cache ? If you add root, home, boot, and swap partitions, that would be a total of 7 partitions, correct?
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2022-10-03 18:22:45	Namarrgon	if you don't have a good reason to do it then don't it
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2022-10-03 18:23:58	derzahl	Namarrgon: as far as i can tell i have no logs for journald or otherwise.  other than from the current boot or those boots from over a month ago
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2022-10-03 18:24:27	Namarrgon	journalctl -u systemd-journald.service
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2022-10-03 18:24:50	Namarrgon	"File /var/log/journal/f0a96bfe126e35e09dce943f000005fe/system.journal corrupted or uncleanly shut down, renaming and replacing"
2022-10-03 18:24:57	greentail	Namarrgon, is that last command how I can check the journald journal?
2022-10-03 18:25:17	Namarrgon	yes
2022-10-03 18:25:49	greentail	Namarrgon, I just ran that. I returned 'no entries'. What's that mean?  
2022-10-03 18:26:02	Namarrgon	are you running journalctl as root?
2022-10-03 18:26:25	Namarrgon	your user doesn't have permission to read system logs
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2022-10-03 18:26:55	derzahl	Namarrgon: https://pastebin.com/AYDa2Ldn that is the full output of  'journalctl -u systemd-journald.service'
2022-10-03 18:26:56	+phrik	Title: jd - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-10-03 18:26:56	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oJNk.r0uzqHAn
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2022-10-03 18:28:24	derzahl	and I am running journalctl as root, if you were asking me
2022-10-03 18:28:27	Namarrgon	that's a bit sparse
2022-10-03 18:29:24	greentail	Namarrgon, I am running journalctl as root, yes. Still got 'no entries'. What am I doing wrong? 
2022-10-03 18:29:47	Namarrgon	you have a typo somewhere
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2022-10-03 18:30:15	damjan	derzahl: you're missing the "Journal stopped" even from the Aug 19 boot
2022-10-03 18:30:21	greentail	Namarrgon,  you right. It was a typo. 
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2022-10-03 18:30:54	Namarrgon	derzahl: what does the storage stack under /var/log look like?
2022-10-03 18:31:41	derzahl	Namarrgon: dedicated zfs dataset with plenty of free space
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2022-10-03 18:32:17	Namarrgon	are you sure that the /var/log volume is properly umounted during shutdown?
2022-10-03 18:32:46	greentail	damjan, why is she missing the 'Journal stopped'? Does that mean she forced the shutdown?
2022-10-03 18:33:06	greentail	Namarrgon, how can I make sure whether the /var/log is properly umounted or not? 
2022-10-03 18:33:18	susi	wireplumber users, have you noticed messages like these appearing recently (in status): https://0x0.st/oJN5.txt
2022-10-03 18:33:41	greentail	derzahl, are you using the ZFS filesystem? 
2022-10-03 18:33:51	susi	especially the one about reserve-device plugin not connected to D-Bus I'd like to resolve
2022-10-03 18:33:52	Namarrgon	greentail: you don't have a separate /var/log fs
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2022-10-03 18:38:31	Namarrgon	journald doesn't umount any partition, it only logs messages to disk
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2022-10-03 18:38:53	greentail	Namarrgon, where can I check that my partitions are properly being umounted during shutdown? 
2022-10-03 18:39:10	Namarrgon	look at the full journal
2022-10-03 18:39:19	Namarrgon	ideally the previous one
2022-10-03 18:39:24	greentail	also, what's the diff between umount and unmount? Or they synonyms? 
2022-10-03 18:40:08	damjan	they're synonyms
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2022-10-03 18:54:53	greentail	If you head over to the `-cn` version of this room, and type `telegram` , and then press TAB, you'll see like 100 usernames that start with that string. What's up with that?  
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2022-10-03 19:07:21	Tea	greentail: maybe a bridge from telegram chat?
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2022-10-03 19:26:19	greentail	h4rd3n3d,  I just tried with `twit` and there are only very few results. Nothing out of ordinary. I think it's only `teleg`.  
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2022-10-03 19:38:06	susi	it seems to say that Manjaro and such are not Arch
2022-10-03 19:39:26	ℹ 	Scotty_Trees2 es conocido ahora como Scotty_Trees
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2022-10-03 19:42:39	dorkmafia	hi I am trying to boot into /bin/bash by adding the kernel command init=/bin/bash in the grub boot loader but when I boot to the root shell the keyboard doesn't work!
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2022-10-03 19:47:42	Scimmia	usb? bluetooth? ps/2?
2022-10-03 19:48:16	artefact	try booting the fallback image
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2022-10-03 19:48:49	MrElendig	wrong kernel version vs installed one?
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2022-10-04 03:49:15	concrete-houses	/var/cache/pacman/pkg/transmission-qt-3.00-4-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
2022-10-04 03:49:16	concrete-houses	/var/cache/pacman/pkg/transmission-qt-3.00-4-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst.si
2022-10-04 03:49:56	Namarrgon	you can delete the cache contents as you please
2022-10-04 03:50:33	Namarrgon	take a look at paccache, or pacman -Sh
2022-10-04 04:06:26	epony	hay, funny coincidence  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacman_(security_vulnerability)
2022-10-04 04:06:27	phrik	Title: Pacman (security vulnerability) - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2022-10-04 04:25:28	mags	I'd argue that 'very recent hardware' might have more undiscovered z-days than middle-age stuff
2022-10-04 04:25:51	mags	wrong channel...
2022-10-04 07:08:59	powftw	Hey all
2022-10-04 07:09:13	powftw	i installed this https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/labelimg-git using yay and installed successfully
2022-10-04 07:09:17	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - labelimg-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-10-04 07:09:32	powftw	but i cannot find the executable from terminal
2022-10-04 07:09:42	grawity	pacman -Ql labelimg-git
2022-10-04 07:11:00	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Cm85WQ0a/
2022-10-04 07:11:01	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-10-04 07:14:06	powftw	grawity: what's the executable name of this?
2022-10-04 07:14:20	mpan	Thre is none. It’s a Python application.
2022-10-04 07:14:31	mpan	You may see the .desktop file to determine, how to run it.
2022-10-04 07:15:28	grawity	yeah if there's nothing obvious in -Ql (like a file in /usr/bin) then you look at the .desktop launcher's Exec=
2022-10-04 07:15:49	grawity	though I would guess at 10.48.3.1
2022-10-04 07:15:51	grawity	er
2022-10-04 07:15:55	grawity	/opt/labelimg/labelImg.py
2022-10-04 07:18:02	Psi-Jack	Ugh, that's packaged nastilly.
2022-10-04 08:26:38	Ennea	part of me likes the fact that the arch wiki has application lists sorted alphabetically, another part would prefer opinionated/recommended lists
2022-10-04 08:27:07	Ennea	i'd prefer not to ask which rss reader everybody is using, for example. but trying them all myself would take quite some time, too. there seems to be a lot, despite rss being "dead"
2022-10-04 08:34:30	bookworm	depends what you want from your RSS reader. I want mine to be accessible on every device, meaning I pretty much need a webapp
2022-10-04 08:34:34	bookworm	and there miniflux is nice
2022-10-04 08:35:02	The-Compiler	arojas: could you please add https://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtwebengine.git/commit/?id=64b7da9dab82713fdcb2e03d8a2715421eae5685 to qt6-webengine? As usual in .0, something fatal is broken ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/7422
2022-10-04 08:35:03	phrik	Title: qt/qtwebengine.git - Qt WebEngine (at code.qt.io)
2022-10-04 08:35:05	bookworm	if you need more advanced configuration, that ain't it though
2022-10-04 08:37:18	Ennea	bookworm, i just need it on my desktop. and maybe a tray icon that changes states when there's something new, but no notifications or anything
2022-10-04 08:37:41	bookworm	notifications on an RSS reader kinda defeat the point of it :P
2022-10-04 08:37:50	Ennea	yea, i guess. hence the "maybe"
2022-10-04 08:37:59	Ennea	i haven't really done rss before, this is a first for me
2022-10-04 08:38:13	Ennea	i've narrowed the list on the wiki down to a few i will take a further look at
2022-10-04 08:39:24	Gagis	generally default recommendations on wiki would be pretty cool. the lists and options tend to be full of pretty niche stuff that takes an annoying amount of effort to filter out
2022-10-04 08:40:02	Ennea	Gagis, right? but then you have the issue: who decides what is recommended? how often is that decision confirmed?
2022-10-04 08:40:51	Gagis	yeah, its an annoying amount of effort for the maintainers in turn
2022-10-04 08:49:22	bookworm	it's not just effort, it's quite literally personal preference
2022-10-04 08:49:42	bookworm	meaning, you can't decide for everyone. Best you can do is only put "maintained" software there
2022-10-04 08:50:24	bookworm	some people want suckless type software, others prefer things with knobs and whistles
2022-10-04 08:51:55	Gagis	sure you cant find some one size fits all answer
2022-10-04 08:52:23	Gagis	but you might be able to have a section to the tune of "these are the main 2 solutions 99,9% of users actually want"
2022-10-04 08:53:03	Gagis	I remember running into that even during installation back in the day, having to do a bit of research on niche technologies to discover one by one that I would never need each of them
2022-10-04 08:53:57	bookworm	says someone on IRC XD
2022-10-04 08:54:49	Gagis	its not my fault no one has developer a good messaging protocol in the last 34 years!
2022-10-04 09:04:24	susi	Gagis: except IRC
2022-10-04 09:04:49	Gagis	irc is a few months older than 34 years
2022-10-04 09:05:26	Gagis	and one month older than me. I can say that I am older than The Internet (actually the WWW) but younger than IRC
2022-10-04 09:05:50	susi	lol, boomer..
2022-10-04 09:06:19	Ennea	:D
2022-10-04 09:17:43	arojas	The-Compiler: done. I'm hoping with Foxboron's debugedit changes in latest pacman I will be able to enable debug symbols again.
2022-10-04 09:21:08	bluetail	how do I encrypt a file without passing a plaintext password with openssl in bash? 
2022-10-04 09:21:55	bluetail	oh wait...
2022-10-04 09:22:03	colo	 -kfile infile       Read passphrase from file
2022-10-04 09:22:21	bluetail	thats no good
2022-10-04 09:22:31	bluetail	Can I use a RSA file?
2022-10-04 09:22:59	bluetail	like you know, password-less ssh works 
2022-10-04 09:23:47	colo	if you want asymmetric crypto, use gpg
2022-10-04 09:24:10	colo	or maybe age
2022-10-04 09:25:04	The-Compiler	arojas, Foxboron: <3
2022-10-04 09:26:14	bluetail	is there a shorthand helper that I can use to ease the process? e.g create a keyfile with said tool, and then use it like <mytool> filetoencrypt -key <keyfile>
2022-10-04 09:28:35	kek_	hi
2022-10-04 09:29:55	bluetail	I guess I am going to ask my email provider if they can tell me the proper usage of a "endswith" filter in regex. I assume "string$" but I could be wrong 
2022-10-04 09:29:59	kek_	Im stuck with a bluetooth apple keyboard. I have i3wm. My xinit settings and layout are wrong e.g.'xset r rate 250 25' doesnt work. Why is that?
2022-10-04 09:31:59	bluetail	edit it in the config file see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg/Keyboard_configuration#Adjusting_typematic_delay_and_rate
2022-10-04 09:32:00	phrik	Title: Xorg/Keyboard configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-04 09:34:57	kek_	bluetail, thanks gonna try it
2022-10-04 09:35:16	kek_	ah I guess it makes sense xinit doesnt work since I connect after x starts eh ... 
2022-10-04 09:37:32	kek_	have a nice day, lets hope I get it right :)
2022-10-04 10:16:08	Foxboron	arojas, The-Compiler I'll do an email when pacman hits testing and I have done some prep work with debugedit
2022-10-04 11:00:26	mxz	hi, in the installation section of `tlp` it is mentioned that the service systemd-rfkill and systemd-rfkill.socket should be masked. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/TLP#Installation 
2022-10-04 11:00:28	phrik	Title: TLP - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-04 11:01:15	mxz	on the project site of TLP: https://linrunner.de/tlp/installation/arch.html#service-units  it says: "You should also mask the following services to avoid conflicts and assure proper operation of TLP’s Radio Device Switching options"
2022-10-04 11:01:16	phrik	Title: Arch Linux — TLP 1.5 documentation (at linrunner.de)
2022-10-04 11:01:25	jelle	what do you want to use TLP for?
2022-10-04 11:01:37	mxz	can someone tell me more about this or send a link where I can find more about why this is the case? 
2022-10-04 11:02:26	mxz	just general power saving on my thinkpad. no special use cases. though, I do use `rfkill` for bluetooth and wlan more or less regularly and was wondering if this effects rfkill?
2022-10-04 11:20:52	Nomenclatura	so... I'm running a zcat /blah/blah > mysql
2022-10-04 11:21:14	Nomenclatura	wanted to move it to a screen but reptyr complains it is a process group
2022-10-04 11:25:25	MrElendig	take it as a learning experience
2022-10-04 11:26:38	Nomenclatura	lmao
2022-10-04 11:27:06	Nomenclatura	I mean, I can reown it, question is if there's something I missing in reptyr xD
2022-10-04 11:35:01	guesswhat	Any idea how to ping specific vCPUs to OS and its processes? I have 64vCPU and need to explicitly set 60vCPUs to the custom scheduler. 
2022-10-04 11:35:06	guesswhat	*pin
2022-10-04 11:51:06	grawity	wouldn't that be the job *of* the custom scheduler?
2022-10-04 11:53:19	guesswhat	move processes to another set of cpus ? and then use rest for its own?
2022-10-04 12:06:41	Nomenclatura	so you want to remove those 4, or just move them?
2022-10-04 12:07:41	Nomenclatura	I don't think you can do either anyway
2022-10-04 13:18:17	kek_	hi, my hdmi monitor has speakers and are sink 0 on pacmd. What's a good way of disabling them whenever they are present? I never used hdmi audio. Is it a good idea to deactivate snd_hda_codec_hdmi?
2022-10-04 13:25:27	wyre	hasn't this app from Gnome project https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/dia been packaged even in AUR? 
2022-10-04 13:25:31	phrik	Title: GNOME / Dia · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
2022-10-04 13:29:12	BrainDamage	it used to be a regular package, but since it depends on python2 it has been dropped
2022-10-04 13:51:32	Namarrgon	inkscape is unfortunately only usable for smaller diagrams, then it becomes unmanageable
2022-10-04 13:53:21	Ennea	unmanagable how?
2022-10-04 13:53:25	The-Compiler	Namarrgon: hard to say, depends on what the typical Dia user is
2022-10-04 13:54:12	Namarrgon	the office user, i'd say, that does not want to learn a markup language and only click&drags some boxes on the screen
2022-10-04 13:55:26	Ennea	hm. yea, fair point
2022-10-04 13:55:34	glitsj16	kek_: there's an older thread you might take a look at --> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=253258 ... but you might be able to blacklist those hdmi devices by adding a blacklist param to module-switch-on-connect in /etc/pulse/default.pa (or ~/.config/pulse/default.pa)
2022-10-04 13:55:35	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] How to disable nvidia hdmi audio? / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-10-04 14:12:22	wyre	BrainDamage, according to gnome people in gimp.net the app just depends on python for a plugin, but the master branch does depend on python3
2022-10-04 14:12:49	jelle	for dia?
2022-10-04 14:12:50	wyre	but sure ... there wasn't any recent release :(
2022-10-04 14:12:54	jelle	that is true
2022-10-04 14:16:48	wyre	I would like to have the PKGBUILD to check it, just by curiosity, but ... I guess it's not appropriate to build a package just from master xD 
2022-10-04 14:17:13	jelle	wyre: not for in the repository, but for your own use it's fine
2022-10-04 14:17:23	jelle	wyre: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/dia
2022-10-04 14:17:25	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - dia (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-10-04 14:18:05	wyre	jelle, lol, ... I've just been looking for gnome dia with yay -Ss but couldn't see anything xD 
2022-10-04 14:18:07	jelle	wyre: even easier, dia-git exists in the AUR
2022-10-04 14:18:50	wyre	jelle, sure, I was assuming the package should be called something like gnome-dia
2022-10-04 14:19:53	wyre	jelle, hmmm not sure if it's right because according to gnome people ... master branch already depends on python3
2022-10-04 14:20:04	wyre	but dia-git package still depends on python2 🤔
2022-10-04 14:20:12	jelle	wyre: please read the comments :)
2022-10-04 14:20:33	jelle	or just fix it :)
2022-10-04 14:20:50	jelle	if you expect the AUR to be well maintained everywhere, you end up with some dissapointments :)
2022-10-04 14:22:48	wyre	yeah, sure 😆
2022-10-04 14:59:16	RobertBolitho	Hi All -- newb question: firefox won't display 4k video on youtube when logged in with gnome, but 4k works with cinamon. Any ideas?
2022-10-04 14:59:43	Namarrgon	both use the x11 session?
2022-10-04 14:59:46	mcoffin	Hey, I have a binary program (arma 3 server), that recently start running *really really* slowly (i.e. 0.5fps down from 140+fps). (fps being game frames, not graphical since it's just a CLI server application). Magically, if I run `perf record` against it, it starts whipping about at ~60fps. Any ideas on what could have caused an application to start doing this within ~ the last month or two?
2022-10-04 15:00:21	mcoffin	It baffles me that running a CPU profiler against something would... make it run again... and faster
2022-10-04 15:00:58	mcoffin	Almost seems like the profiling is interrupting some badly-behaving sleep, but without a way to get useful profiling data (since the act of profiling ruins it xD), I'm a little lost as to where to start debugging that
2022-10-04 15:01:04	Namarrgon	!heisenbug
2022-10-04 15:01:05	phrik	Namarrgon: BLEEP BLOOP
2022-10-04 15:01:28	wyre	ls
2022-10-04 15:01:32	wyre	oops 😆
2022-10-04 15:01:40	mcoffin	yea I know that's why I need that juicy advice :D
2022-10-04 15:02:08	Namarrgon	have you looked at its logs?
2022-10-04 15:02:25	mcoffin	Namarrgon: Yea... it doesn't... log much that's useful
2022-10-04 15:02:36	Namarrgon	does strace also cause it run normally?
2022-10-04 15:02:45	mcoffin	let me see
2022-10-04 15:02:50	Namarrgon	does the cpu clock up properly when it runs?
2022-10-04 15:04:17	⚡ 	mcoffin hasn't used strace before actually...
2022-10-04 15:04:55	mcoffin	Got operation not permitted even when running it as root. do you 100% need to run the program from strace? because it *looks* like it should be able to attach dynamically based on the manpage
2022-10-04 15:07:16	Namarrgon	are you trying to attach to the PID?
2022-10-04 15:07:24	Namarrgon	or starting it with strace
2022-10-04 15:09:23	mcoffin	Namarrgon: I was trying to attach by PID as I'd done with perf, but I just wound up running it with strace to get a test w/o issue... benchmarking rn
2022-10-04 15:09:56	Namarrgon	to attach to a PID you need to set ptrace_scope back to 0 via e.g. sysctl
2022-10-04 15:10:51	Namarrgon	or to 2 for root-only ptrace
2022-10-04 15:11:00	Namarrgon	https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/security/Yama.txt
2022-10-04 15:14:54	mcoffin	Namarrgon: Ah gotcha. I'll just stick to running it with strace for the scope of this, but thanks for the explanation. More weirdness. with arma3server_x64 running from strace (even with stderr piped to /dev/null to ensure it's not a bottleneck), strace not only does not cause the "working" behavior, but also prevents `perf` from band-aid'ing the problem
2022-10-04 15:15:32	Namarrgon	-o lets you write to a file, so you don't have to fly blind
2022-10-04 15:16:33	mcoffin	but, it does appear to be *haaard*-spamming FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE from a couple places against a small # of futexes, so that's at least new info (and getting EINVAL back occasionally probably due to spamming the snot out of it from a few separate threads)
2022-10-04 15:17:46	mcoffin	playing with strace options atm to get thread ids / etc... just lmk if you have any ideas in the meantime :) thanks. I appreciate the help
2022-10-04 15:20:08	RobertBolitho	Namarrgon: yes, ff uses x11 for both
2022-10-04 15:20:23	Namarrgon	RobertBolitho: yes but what about gnome and cinnamon?
2022-10-04 15:22:47	mcoffin	Namarrgon: deeper scanning of their patch notes from a few months back reveals a "bugfix" for thread count detection on the linux version of the servers. Issue was *massive* overhead from 48 threads that really want the same resources most of the time, making them often mutually exclusive. hard-coding the cpu count override in it's config to "8" resolved the issue
2022-10-04 15:23:01	mcoffin	So, the only question that remains is *why* `perf` was... helping? that situation
2022-10-04 15:23:10	mcoffin	that still doesn't make sense to me
2022-10-04 15:26:47	mcoffin	w/e for now, but if anyone knows why tracing/profiling an application would *help* with it's massive resource-fighting overhead issue, I'd love to hear it :)
2022-10-04 15:27:47	jelle	wyre: does this fit your use case https://gaphor.org/ ? (it has a flatpak)
2022-10-04 15:27:48	phrik	Title: Modeling for Everyone | Gaphor (at gaphor.org)
2022-10-04 15:28:39	wyre	jelle, hmmm, looks like interesting 🤔
2022-10-04 15:29:02	Namarrgon	mcoffin: does it use similar amounts of cpu/ram when running with or without perf?
2022-10-04 15:35:27	mcoffin	Namarrgon: Yes (had to test)
2022-10-04 15:39:43	chazy	quick question, is it possible to tell systemd to kill processes instead of indefinetily waiting, like i just rebooted a laptop and it's stuck, 2 times already said waiting for process for more than 122s and then 240 seconds or whatever...
2022-10-04 15:40:16	chazy	i mean a configuration, like if the process doesn't respond in 10 seconds kill it
2022-10-04 15:40:38	infandum	I am trying to get my laptop to output to a monitor over thunderbolt through a thunderbolt dock over USB4. They should be compatible -- it works with Windows. However, xrandr does not detect any monitor. Using a USBC to HDMI cord works, but I would like to use the dock (or attach directly to a thunderbolt monitor as with another monitor). It seems similar to this issue
2022-10-04 15:40:38	infandum	(https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issue
2022-10-04 15:40:38	infandum	AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 6860Z and xrandr sees nothing, just the laptop monitor.
2022-10-04 15:40:39	phrik	Title: Sign in · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2022-10-04 15:42:51	mcoffin	infandum: Check out TimeoutStopSec, TimeoutStopFailureMode, and KillMode + friends in systemd.exec(5) and systemd.service(5)
2022-10-04 15:43:23	mcoffin	there's a bunch of different options depending on the type of service, and whether or not you have ExecStop (likely not in your case)
2022-10-04 15:43:28	infandum	mcoffin: Do you mean chazy ?
2022-10-04 15:43:38	mcoffin	wut?
2022-10-04 15:43:59	infandum	For the killing process question
2022-10-04 15:44:49	mcoffin	oh, yes
2022-10-04 15:44:51	mcoffin	mb haha
2022-10-04 15:44:55	mcoffin	chazy: ^^^
2022-10-04 15:45:38	mcoffin	infandum: your link to the issue got cut off btw
2022-10-04 15:45:54	chazy	mcoffin: ty i'm gonna take a look at that
2022-10-04 15:46:05	infandum	Really? Looks good for me. It's here: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/2163
2022-10-04 15:46:07	phrik	Title: AMD Ryzen 7 6850U does not detect external display correctly via USB4 (#2163) · Issues · drm / amd · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2022-10-04 15:46:12	infandum	Oh weird
2022-10-04 15:46:13	infandum	huh
2022-10-04 15:46:13	mcoffin	that one worked
2022-10-04 15:49:12	mcoffin	I'm terrible with all the laptop display muxing weirdness (including thunderbolt), but good info for ppl to have there would be the actual dock name itself, lspci/lsusb dumps, and probably `dmesg` logs since the ticket indicates it's behavior is changing frequently in modern kernel versions
2022-10-04 15:53:49	mcoffin	chazy: to be fair though, the "cleaner" solution is to try and figure out why that service or w/e isn't shutting down cleanly
2022-10-04 15:54:14	mcoffin	especially at shutdown time, you might be shutting it down in the middle of file ops or whatnot, causing pain
2022-10-04 15:57:46	RobertBolitho	Namarrgon: Yes, both CInamon and Gnome use X11 (tested with loginctl)
2022-10-04 16:06:13	artefact	for some reason, my system is always asking for the fallback passphrase instead of the tpm2 pin i set using systemd-cryptenroll. i can't re-enroll the pin because my tpm is in "da lockout mode". do i have to wait it out, or do i have to cmos reset my motherboard?
2022-10-04 16:08:05	yuval	x1carbon (tiger lake) internal dmic not working (with alsa). any idea how to solve?
2022-10-04 16:08:14	lowden	anyone here on ff 105.0.1 and using a vpn experiencing errors playing songs on youtube ?
2022-10-04 16:08:20	yuval	or where to report this?
2022-10-04 16:19:28	anotherNightmare	yuval: might need sof-firmware
2022-10-04 16:20:37	anotherNightmare	have you check the wiki page for your device? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Category:Lenovo
2022-10-04 16:20:38	phrik	Title: Category:Lenovo - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-04 16:45:55	Foxboron	For support people; https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/76064
2022-10-04 16:45:57	phrik	Title: FS#76064 : 5.19.12 kernel breaks framework laptop screen (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-10-04 16:46:05	Foxboron	if anyone gets screen flickering with the new archiso it's that issue
2022-10-04 16:47:06	gnana	Foxboron: screen flickering?
2022-10-04 16:47:49	Foxboron	gnana: yes
2022-10-04 16:48:15	gnana	i have the same issue?
2022-10-04 16:48:22	gnana	do you have solution?
2022-10-04 16:48:36	MrElendig	upgrade to 6.0
2022-10-04 16:48:45	Foxboron	6.0 isn't packaged yet afaik
2022-10-04 16:48:50	Foxboron	heftig is doing a patch release as mentioned
2022-10-04 16:48:55	gnana	ah
2022-10-04 16:48:59	MrElendig	can grab it from aur though
2022-10-04 16:49:24	Foxboron	MrElendig: Or just downgrade :)
2022-10-04 16:49:25	gnana	MrElendig: can you point me to link?
2022-10-04 16:49:55	MrElendig	gnana: linux-mainline, or what Foxboron said
2022-10-04 16:50:18	MrElendig	or take a hike while 6.0 gets to [testing]
2022-10-04 16:50:34	gnana	MrElendig: linux-mainline-headers you mean?
2022-10-04 16:50:41	jelle	no
2022-10-04 16:50:51	gnana	this one https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/linux-mainline
2022-10-04 16:50:59	MrElendig	you need those too if you use out of tree modules
2022-10-04 16:52:40	bluetail	mainline isnt vastly newer, is it
2022-10-04 16:52:57	bluetail	I mean the stable release is not so different... right?
2022-10-04 16:53:00	MrElendig	mainline is 6.0 atm
2022-10-04 16:53:14	Foxboron	bluetail: the mainline package is without *any* Arch patches fwiw
2022-10-04 16:54:26	luna	Linux 5.19.13 released this afternoon to fix some driver issues in 5.19.12
2022-10-04 16:54:45	bluetail	Foxboron I didnt knew the kernel you get through pacman had 'arch' patches. 
2022-10-04 16:54:48	Foxboron	luna: its being packaged
2022-10-04 16:54:55	bluetail	Does that apply to other distros too?
2022-10-04 16:55:04	Foxboron	bluetail: of course
2022-10-04 16:55:05	bluetail	Does debian has debian patches in their kernel?
2022-10-04 16:55:09	bluetail	what the
2022-10-04 16:55:10	Foxboron	of course
2022-10-04 16:55:11	MrElendig	bluetail: arch have very few patches compared to most
2022-10-04 16:55:19	Foxboron	Some of these distros has hundreds of patches
2022-10-04 16:55:24	MrElendig	bluetail: debian are infamous for adding 500+ patches
2022-10-04 16:55:25	Foxboron	Arch usually have.. idk.. less than 10
2022-10-04 16:55:37	MrElendig	bluetail: they backport a lot of fixes instead of updating, because "stable"
2022-10-04 16:55:44	bluetail	MrElendig that would explain a lot of different behavior in special usecases
2022-10-04 16:55:50	gnana	opening [testing] server in pacman is it good?
2022-10-04 16:56:03	jelle	gnana: no....
2022-10-04 16:56:07	Foxboron	bluetail: yes, it's common to talk about kernel behaviour between distros vs vanilla
2022-10-04 16:56:11	MrElendig	gnana: don't forget [communit-testing] etc if you do
2022-10-04 16:56:12	Foxboron	bluetail: https://github.com/archlinux/linux/commits/v5.19.13-arch1 if you are curious
2022-10-04 16:56:50	Foxboron	bluetail: usually Arch patching is limited to backporting a few patches upstream has merged which fixes reported issues
2022-10-04 16:57:04	Foxboron	patching in other distros entail custom patches and a lot of jank
2022-10-04 16:58:45	Foxboron	bluetail: Also, Arch packages the stable kernel. mainline is what Linus tags
2022-10-04 16:58:59	luna	Foxboron: nice thanks :)
2022-10-04 16:59:02	Foxboron	first two numbers "x.y" is stuff Linus does. "x.y.z" is what Greg does
2022-10-04 16:59:42	jelle	this is a conspiracy in that arch does not trust linus
2022-10-04 16:59:47	yuval	alsa dmic problems https://github.com/alsa-project/alsa-ucm-conf/issues/224 maybe someone here can help
2022-10-04 17:01:04	rcf	Run linux-git, place full trust in upstream 
2022-10-04 17:01:56	jelle	yuval: did you install sof-firmware?
2022-10-04 17:02:29	yuval	jelle: yes, see this issue, it include a list of all installed stuff and their versions (sof-firmware 2.2.2-1)
2022-10-04 17:03:02	MrElendig	yuval: did you reboot after installing the firmware?
2022-10-04 17:03:06	yuval	can also see lspci output, audio device is using sof-audio-pci-intel-tgl
2022-10-04 17:03:22	yuval	MrElendig: yes, multiple reboots have already occured :-)
2022-10-04 17:03:27	jelle	yuval: what does dmesg say?
2022-10-04 17:04:31	yuval	jelle: dmsg http://ix.io/4ch0
2022-10-04 17:04:57	jelle	yuval: seems relevant to bug report
2022-10-04 17:05:02	jelle	[    4.482917] sof-audio-pci-intel-tgl 0000:00:1f.3: FW ABI is more recent than kernel
2022-10-04 17:05:04	jelle	[    4.482920] sof-audio-pci-intel-tgl 0000:00:1f.3: unknown sof_ext_man header type 3 size 0x30
2022-10-04 17:05:53	yuval	added
2022-10-04 17:06:20	yuval	iir this ABI mismatch is just a warning and should be fine
2022-10-04 17:06:38	yuval	re the unknown sof header, IDK what it means. do you now how to resolve?
2022-10-04 17:07:27	yuval	note: i'm on linux-5.19.11 and not latest 5.19.12, because of this i915 issue https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=280079
2022-10-04 17:07:28	phrik	Title: linux-zen 5.19.12.zen1-1 makes my laptop unusable / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-10-04 17:13:27	yuval	jelle: so maybe a better place for that issue report would be the sof project?
2022-10-04 17:48:56	Foxboron	The-Compiler: https://paste.xinu.at/m-2qP1yTsiYbpfC/ :) looking pretty great
2022-10-04 18:03:39	levitating	Why is it that https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ruby-libnotify returns a 404 but cloning ssh://aur@aur.archlinux.org/ruby-libnotify returns me an outdated PKGBUILD?
2022-10-04 18:05:44	rcf	levitating: an aurweb bug, most likely. 
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2022-10-04 18:06:00	NetSysHellFire	!bugs
2022-10-04 18:06:00	phrik	Bugs?! Arch Linux has no bugs! Oh.. wait.. https://bugs.archlinux.org
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2022-10-04 18:06:09	rcf	levitating: https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/aur-requests@lists.archlinux.org/message/NH5CYRIV4BXZQCUTPO2IXK35VSRR4KGO/ it was deleted. 
2022-10-04 18:06:10	phrik	Title: [aur-requests] [PRQ#25680] Deletion Request for ruby-libnotify - Aur-requests - lists.archlinux.org (at lists.archlinux.org)
2022-10-04 18:06:30	NetSysHellFire	its an aurssh bug
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2022-10-04 18:06:51	levitating	My aur helper also can't install it. 
2022-10-04 18:07:03	levitating	Where do I report this?
2022-10-04 18:07:16	NetSysHellFire	i would go to #archlinux-aur
2022-10-04 18:07:21	levitating	s/install/find
2022-10-04 18:07:24	rcf	levitating: well, you shouldn't be able to install it, it doesn't exist. Or it shouldn't exist. It is undead. 
2022-10-04 18:07:34	levitating	rcf: Nice, an undead package
2022-10-04 18:07:38	NetSysHellFire	its spooktober, so undead is expected
2022-10-04 18:07:50	BrainDamage	there's nothing to report
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2022-10-04 18:07:57	rcf	BrainDamage: yes there is 
2022-10-04 18:08:04	BrainDamage	as in, it's a known problem
2022-10-04 18:08:05	astralc	it gone and meet it's maker
2022-10-04 18:08:14	rcf	Ah
2022-10-04 18:08:22	astralc	it is ex-package
2022-10-04 18:08:22	BrainDamage	deleting a package doesn't delete the git history, it just remains hidden from aurweb
2022-10-04 18:08:45	BrainDamage	it's not specific to that package, but to all deleted packages
2022-10-04 18:08:53	◣	realguy (~realguy@user/realguy) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-10-04 18:09:19	BrainDamage	and I forgot why it was done so
2022-10-04 18:09:30	rcf	So what you're saying is that this is eminently exploitable 
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2022-10-04 18:10:22	BrainDamage	i think in exceptional cases, the content can still be completely removed, but by default, deleting just hides it
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2022-10-04 18:11:20	BrainDamage	and it's extremely annoying because if you want to create a package with the same name of a deleted one, you'd have to import its old history and then revert it
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2022-10-04 18:22:03	⚡ 	throstur gasps at the size of that split
2022-10-04 18:24:10	sereg	throstur: what does it mean? 
2022-10-04 18:24:42	throstur	a net split is something that happens when two (or more) clusters of a network lose connectivity
2022-10-04 18:25:23	sereg	so right now libera chat essentially has neworkA and networkB (maybe more) until it's resolved?
2022-10-04 18:25:33	throstur	so probably in practice what happened is that two IRC servers both serving this channel weren't talking to each other for a while
2022-10-04 18:25:42	throstur	it seems to be back now
2022-10-04 18:26:29	sereg	thank you for explaining, first time i've seen one 
2022-10-04 18:26:40	throstur	this was a pretty large one
2022-10-04 18:26:56	MacGyver	It's larger from the other side.
2022-10-04 18:27:50	sereg	another channel i was in had 2000 people quit 0.o 
2022-10-04 18:28:03	throstur	even still, I thought I was "on the other side" at first, it just kept going
2022-10-04 18:35:26	sereg	MacGyver: did you fix it with some bubble gum and tie wraps or something?
2022-10-04 18:43:35	sereg	thanks if it's something that happens regularly i might have to look into that, so far this is the only time i noticed it though
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2022-10-04 19:09:10	zan	those filters help a lot, you get strictly chat with join/part/quit of only those that are actually chatting
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2022-10-04 19:11:02	susi	on irsssi HIDDEN ignore level is a must, just ignore joins, quits, parts etc with HIDDEN on *, and then you can set per-window hidelevel
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2022-10-04 19:35:12	hquake	manuels, it gives indirect access to things only root otherwise has access to, so effectively yes
2022-10-04 19:35:46	hquake	https://docs.docker.com/engine/security/
2022-10-04 19:35:48	phrik	Title: Docker security | Docker Documentation (at docs.docker.com)
2022-10-04 19:36:08	hquake	"Docker allows you to share a directory between the Docker host and a guest container; and it allows you to do so without limiting the access rights of the container. This means that you can start a container where the /host directory is the / directory on your host"
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2022-10-04 19:39:24	hquake	The difference between doing the above, and chrooting, is academic
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2022-10-04 19:40:27	cad_enc	Trying to add a notification sound in IRC, would someone reply to this to test it?
2022-10-04 19:40:33	hquake	cad_enc, sure
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2022-10-04 19:40:53	cad_enc	Thanks!
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2022-10-04 19:41:59	phrik	🦆 🦆 🦆 🦆 🦆 ＼＿Ｏ＜ ＱＵＡＣＫ！
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2022-10-08 19:23:49	BrainDamage	in the name of a .zsync metadata file
2022-10-08 19:26:28	bolnav[m]	got it, thanks
2022-10-08 19:26:41	artefact	you'd need something with a rolling hash
2022-10-08 19:27:15	BrainDamage	ask for a feature request for zsync metadata files on arch, it's a small extra step on releases
2022-10-08 19:27:23	BrainDamage	and the .zsync metadata is just few kB
2022-10-08 19:27:44	BrainDamage	so in principle it could be done / automated with little efforts
2022-10-08 19:28:55	tatsumaru	guys how do you memorize all the options and what they do for each cli command/
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2022-10-08 19:29:10	tralala	tatsumaru, with practice
2022-10-08 19:29:14	artefact	i mostly don't
2022-10-08 19:29:15	BrainDamage	you don't
2022-10-08 19:29:31	artefact	i just use backwards history search and/or skim the manpage again
2022-10-08 19:29:35	BrainDamage	you can look at manpages or example pages like tldr
2022-10-08 19:29:49	BrainDamage	or setup aliases
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2022-10-09 04:01:31	Toxmi	This is the command provided and for example /lib/modules/$(uname..../misc doesn't exist...
2022-10-09 04:02:05	gehidore	have you updated recently and forgotten to reboot?
2022-10-09 04:21:28	Scimmia	Again, signing is about that config option
2022-10-09 04:22:12	Toxmi	OK, got that part, but just to learn jargon here. Linux-zen (the official one in repo) is considered a custom kernel, right?
2022-10-09 04:22:56	ectospasm	I wouldn't consider it a custom kernel.  I would think a custom kernel is one that you configured and compiled yourself.
2022-10-09 04:23:11	ectospasm	But then again, I only track linux and linux-lts (on my router).
2022-10-09 04:23:30	ectospasm	Today is my router's birthday (at least, when I installed Arch on it)!
2022-10-09 04:23:41	ectospasm	Arch is officially one year old on it.
2022-10-09 04:23:46	ectospasm	It used to run Debian
2022-10-09 04:23:53	ectospasm	I'm MUCH happier with it running Arch.
2022-10-09 04:24:24	Scimmia	Stop trying to define 'custom Kernel' it doesn't really mean anything 
2022-10-09 04:24:29	Toxmi	I thought it's custom bcz someone has configured it and put it in the repo, didn't know it's not :)
2022-10-09 04:24:53	Namarrgon	then all kernels would be custom, linus doesn't release an official binary
2022-10-09 04:26:13	Toxmi	That's true, my confusion start from the fact Scimmia pointed out, I picked it up from the signing step...my bad
2022-10-09 04:26:41	Toxmi	   which is not applicable to my case
2022-10-09 04:28:31	Nomenclatura	What if he wrote his own curom kernel from scratch?
2022-10-09 04:29:09	Namarrgon	he did, and named it "linux"
2022-10-09 04:29:48	Nomenclatura	I mean Toxmi
2022-10-09 04:30:22	Nomenclatura	Also, Just compiling something doesn't make it "custom"
2022-10-09 04:30:48	Nomenclatura	unless you modify it
2022-10-09 04:31:04	Namarrgon	in this case it would, it would be up to you to make sure that this particular option was set
2022-10-09 04:31:13	Nomenclatura	yet, siply selecting compilation options would not make it 'custom' but rather 'configured'
2022-10-09 04:31:26	Namarrgon	all kernels in the arch repos do, that's why the wiki uses 'custom'
2022-10-09 04:31:57	Toxmi	all linux kernels are custom, some are just more specifically custom :)
2022-10-09 04:32:09	Nomenclatura	Arch kernels use custom config, but there is no meddling with actual kernel code imho
2022-10-09 04:32:14	Nomenclatura	*afaik
2022-10-09 04:34:02	Nomenclatura	No, see... to me 'custom' means you actually change the code core. Like a car: just using different ignition coils dont make it 'custom'. Changing it to use double carbureator would make it custom
2022-10-09 04:34:06	Nomenclatura	oh semantics...
2022-10-09 04:36:05	Toxmi	Nomenclatura: That wouldn't be "derived/forked" kernel?
2022-10-09 04:45:09	Nomenclatura	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-10-09 04:46:10	Nomenclatura	using a bsd kernel would make it custom or fork?
2022-10-09 04:46:18	Nomenclatura	or derived?
2022-10-09 04:48:48	Toxmi	It depends on how wide you put your semantics, for me it's like replacing a Toyota with BMW, definitely not a example for custom case
2022-10-09 04:49:28	Toxmi	neither a case for fork
2022-10-09 04:51:50	Nomenclatura	https://pacbsd.org/
2022-10-09 04:55:28	ectospasm	That looks like it hasn't been updated in five years, and is not Arch
2022-10-09 04:55:41	ectospasm	The cert is expired, so I'd say the project is dead.
2022-10-09 04:56:31	Toxmi	Nomenclatura: OK, if you consider the OS an analogy to the car, then the kernel is the engine. Replacing linux with BSD/Hurd is like replacing the TOYOTA engine with BMW. Forking is like changeing the engine while keep the same platform, tweaking its componenets and customizing the config is just like tuning it in option/feature level, not going under the hood (i.e. coding). 
2022-10-09 04:57:07	Toxmi	Yeah, if you replace a Toyota car engine with a BMW enigine it would certainly doesn't go far before break down :D
2022-10-09 04:57:54	Nomenclatura	:o
2022-10-09 04:58:21	gaku	well, certainly an enigine can't do the job of an engine
2022-10-09 04:58:33	⚡ 	gaku hides
2022-10-09 04:58:47	Nomenclatura	depends the trans
2022-10-09 05:01:22	Toxmi	yep
2022-10-09 05:28:54	gaku	aaand busybox initramfs works for resume…
2022-10-09 05:29:05	gaku	(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
2022-10-09 05:30:21	ectospasm	I *HATE* busybox, if only because I never configure it myself, and `grep -P` DOESN'T WORK!
2022-10-09 05:30:41	dmc	!
2022-10-09 05:30:41	ectospasm	My hatred of Busybox is what prompted me to make my own Linux-based router.
2022-10-09 05:31:03	ectospasm	With a proper shell and utilities.
2022-10-09 05:31:18	dmc	all that so you wouldn't have to configure busybox
2022-10-09 05:31:52	ectospasm	dmc: not that I wouldn't have to, the Linux-based routers I was using already configured it for me.
2022-10-09 05:32:00	gaku	seems i found a "bug" for the mkinitcpio systemd initramfs impl
2022-10-09 05:32:07	gaku	fun
2022-10-09 05:32:22	sheep	Adelie was going to go GNU-less but the crappiness of busybox made them adopt coreutils until nutils or another good alternative is done
2022-10-09 05:33:46	ectospasm	My Intel NUC router with Arch installed only has a Celeron processor, but it's good enough for home use.
2022-10-09 05:34:06	gehidore	I did the same with a minnowboard
2022-10-09 05:36:18	ectospasm	I've had this NUC since 2015, I specifically got it because it had two Gigabit NICs in it.
2022-10-09 06:05:42	Psi-Jack	Heh.
2022-10-09 06:08:09	Psi-Jack	I've been considering getting 3 Beeling MiniPC's with Ryzen CPU's, maxing out their RAm to 64GB each, NVMe SSD and SATA SSD storage, and using those to replace my 3 full tower PC's with miniature lower-heat/easier-to-cool mini computers.
2022-10-09 06:09:55	pktdrop	sometimes I think doing the same...
2022-10-09 06:13:08	sheep	I need some confirmation. Was this actually arch's logo? https://archlinux.org/retro/2002/archlogo_black.d5d6fb311378.gif
2022-10-09 06:13:43	thingfish	yikes
2022-10-09 06:13:49	Psi-Jack	I mean... It's literally at archlinux.org, heh
2022-10-09 06:14:41	Psi-Jack	And back when abs was abs, and you could rsync it over. 
2022-10-09 06:26:34	thingfish	I kind of always liked this one: https://imgur.com/a/Ht5A7GJ
2022-10-09 06:26:36	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2022-10-09 06:37:17	gnana	 https://termbin.com/pqqp pacman -Qtdq | pacman -Rns -  should i do y for that.. reading wiki https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Removing_unused_packages_(orphans) ???
2022-10-09 06:37:18	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-09 06:37:43	gnana	is these really unused?
2022-10-09 06:39:07	gnana	im using youtube-dl
2022-10-09 06:39:11	Scimmia	they're not required by any other packages, that doesn't necessarily mean you don't use them
2022-10-09 06:39:40	jmcantrell	why is `pacstrap -K` used here? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Offline_installation
2022-10-09 06:39:41	phrik	Title: Offline installation - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-09 06:40:20	Scimmia	gnana: looks like you missed https://archlinux.org/news/base-group-replaced-by-mandatory-base-package-manual-intervention-required/ though
2022-10-09 06:40:22	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: `base` group replaced by mandatory `base` package - manual intervention required (at archlinux.org)
2022-10-09 06:40:41	gnana	Scimmia: what?
2022-10-09 06:41:43	gnana	Scimmia: the -
2022-10-09 06:41:46	gnana	http://pastie.org/p/3gMYZpj6gSqjYRmFOn875I/raw
2022-10-09 06:42:13	gnana	i was using root login on back command
2022-10-09 06:42:29	gnana	now it showing none.
2022-10-09 06:42:49	Scimmia	it doesn't show none, it says you can't do it
2022-10-09 06:45:08	gnana	Scimmia: but im using those packgs.. why they showing in output?
2022-10-09 06:45:57	Scimmia	because you didn't bother to read man page to see what the command does
2022-10-09 06:47:27	gnana	okay
2022-10-09 07:29:41	Strykar	Is the 
2022-10-09 07:30:08	Strykar	Is the "cloudflare-warp-bin" AUR package working for anyone else? It connects and immediately disconnects for me
2022-10-09 07:30:21	copygirl	So about the issue I was having yesterday with OBS: When I have the audio mixer visible, it lags out both OBS and other programs (Barrier, Discord) to the point of becoming unusable. I think it's not OBS but something with my setup, maybe Pipewire? Not sure how to go about this.
2022-10-09 07:32:04	copygirl	I booted into linux instead of linux-lts to see if that helps. I removed an old pulse config I had and restarted pipewire. Not sure if it's a common issue since I haven't found anything that seems to fit my symptoms.
2022-10-09 07:38:32	ishitatsuyuki	Strykar: works on my machine
2022-10-09 07:46:45	copygirl	Oh, I should add that OBS' audio mixer just seems like it's the worst offender, when I have too many other programs (and perhaps a game) running, audio and video playback appear affected.
2022-10-09 08:07:17	copygirl	Neither CPU nor GPU are being hit by OBS, but htop and nvtop which I used to monitor lagged behind quite a bit while I had the audio mixer visible, only to suddenly catch up.
2022-10-09 08:18:46	copygirl	Not sure how to find the cause of this lag. Nothing I can see printed to the journal either.
2022-10-09 09:50:06	copygirl	Update: I had compositing turned off. I just turned it on. And the problems went away.
2022-10-09 09:55:25	bluetail	copygirl what WM did u use?
2022-10-09 10:03:08	copygirl	bluetail: Using xfce.
2022-10-09 10:04:06	bluetail	I see. Using sway, I didnt encounter that issue yet.
2022-10-09 10:11:40	Ennea	copygirl, your problems went away after you turned compositing back on? o.o
2022-10-09 10:11:50	Ennea	linux is scary sometimes
2022-10-09 10:11:59	copygirl	Not back on. On for the first time, pretty much.
2022-10-09 10:13:00	Ennea	i see. still weird though
2022-10-09 10:13:35	copygirl	To be fair my system is really old. At this point I should probably get a clean install and shop around for some more modern stuff, such as something based on Wayland.
2022-10-09 10:16:45	bluetail	copygirl wayland needs some work from your end, depending on what wm you use
2022-10-09 10:17:01	bluetail	theres not a lot of applications that already run wayland native
2022-10-09 10:17:25	bluetail	so you'd need a compatibility layer. But there are drawbacks if they dont... They'd get blurry in fractional scaling... 
2022-10-09 10:17:40	bluetail	And so on. Theres a couple of environment variables that are wayland specific
2022-10-09 10:22:46	copygirl	bluetail: Well, I'll look into it when I get there. If I find that either I'm not ready for it, or it's not ready for me, I can always go back to X.
2022-10-09 10:35:55	JTL	iirc fractional scaling still isn't great anywhere
2022-10-09 10:35:58	JTL	have fun with that
2022-10-09 10:41:22	Strykar	ishitatsuyuki: are you just running '$ warp-cli connect' after starting the daemon service?
2022-10-09 11:03:17	ishitatsuyuki	yes
2022-10-09 11:14:36	Strykar	!paste
2022-10-09 11:14:36	Strykar	ishitatsuyuki: weird, this is what it looks like here - https://bpa.st/6PBA
2022-10-09 11:14:36	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-10-09 11:14:37	phrik	Title: View paste 6PBA (at bpa.st)
2022-10-09 11:15:38	ishitatsuyuki	Strykar: Do you have wireguard related packages installed already? Also, might be good to check journalctl -xe for errors
2022-10-09 11:15:39	ishitatsuyuki	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/WireGuard
2022-10-09 11:15:40	phrik	Title: WireGuard - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-09 11:15:53	ishitatsuyuki	just having wireguard-tools should be fine
2022-10-09 11:17:38	Strykar	ishitatsuyuki: I do have that installed, seems it does not like me running a DNS server
2022-10-09 11:20:52	Strykar	ishitatsuyuki: thanks, disabling the dns server running on localhost does the trick. I still find it weird, since Warp runs its own dns server on 127.0.2.2
2022-10-09 11:21:06	ishitatsuyuki	warp is generally fairly wacky
2022-10-09 11:21:16	ishitatsuyuki	much less well engineered than mullvad nor tailscale
2022-10-09 11:21:32	Strykar	I am not a Tailscale fan
2022-10-09 11:22:11	ishitatsuyuki	well, they engineered the DNS so that requests are handled after proxied by WireGuard
2022-10-09 11:22:16	ishitatsuyuki	so there's no port conflict, etc
2022-10-09 11:22:26	ishitatsuyuki	the DNS resides in the proxy itself
2022-10-09 11:24:05	Strykar	it is wacky, my colo is in France instead of Asia :(
2022-10-09 11:24:15	Strykar	as per curl https://www.cloudflare.com/cdn-cgi/trace/
2022-10-09 11:28:12	colo	Strykar, I'm right here! :)
2022-10-09 11:29:39	artefact	(wtf is a colo?)
2022-10-09 11:30:08	colo	artefact, it's usually either me, or this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colocation_centre
2022-10-09 11:30:09	phrik	Title: Colocation centre - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2022-10-09 11:30:25	artefact	ah, data centre, ok. thanks colo
2022-10-09 11:30:30	Strykar	artefact: the datacenter
2022-10-09 11:41:20	dontdieych[m]	anyone actually visited data center? It's horrible. super noisy, very hot or very cool, very low humidity, very strict security check(sticker on phone camera or even can't allowed phone).
2022-10-09 11:42:31	Warepire	I've walked past my offices server room when the door was open once, that was enough noise and draft for me.
2022-10-09 11:45:56	dontdieych[m]	most annoying part is security check when entering and exiting. especially for heavy smoker like me... 
2022-10-09 11:46:02	artefact	retina scanners, too?
2022-10-09 11:46:14	artefact	i'd love to visit one, once
2022-10-09 11:49:23	dontdieych[m]	didn't see eye scanner. but finger print or Vein matching
2022-10-09 11:49:43	dontdieych[m]	+ password or id card tag
2022-10-09 11:51:03	dontdieych[m]	very not good for human being :D
2022-10-09 11:51:08	colo	dontdieych[m], I've been to many colos and DCs, but I would not describe the experience as "horrible". but it's not a nice place to stay at for hours for no reason, sure.
2022-10-09 11:51:40	colo	what I find most irritating is the temperature difference you are exposed to, depending on which side of a heavily loaded rack you end up at
2022-10-09 11:52:04	colo	on one side it's freezing, while on the other, you feel like burning up
2022-10-09 11:52:26	dontdieych[m]	colo: it would be horrible after working at couple of months... :D
2022-10-09 11:53:34	dontdieych[m]	yes exactly. area of man network switch racks super hot. app servers are not bad or even freezing
2022-10-09 11:54:08	dontdieych[m]	cisco nexus switch is super hot :D
2022-10-09 12:02:48	tatsumaru	guys is it possible to install a configured arch with apps from an image of a previous installation instead of going through the motions every time? also is it a bad idea?
2022-10-09 12:03:40	artefact	sounds like x-y problem. can't you just copy the disk image itself?
2022-10-09 12:04:01	Warepire	tatsumaru: One way you can do it is export a list of packages explicitly installed, and back up all relevant configuration. Assuming you can't "just image the disk".
2022-10-09 12:05:10	tatsumaru	Warepire: could imaging a disk be problematic if installing on a different PC?
2022-10-09 12:05:19	tatsumaru	or rather installing from a disk image
2022-10-09 12:05:44	Warepire	If you use the fallback initramfs, it could work.
2022-10-09 12:07:09	tatsumaru	I was just wondering if one can easily install and port linux docker images from one machine to another, wouldn't one be able to install the same images natively without having to rely on docker
2022-10-09 12:07:28	tatsumaru	or rather not the same images, but just distro images
2022-10-09 12:07:53	cyphertite	tatsumaru:  there is also:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Disk_cloning
2022-10-09 12:07:55	phrik	Title: Disk cloning - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-09 12:08:50	tatsumaru	cyphertite: have you tried this?
2022-10-09 12:09:44	cyphertite	sure, dd works
2022-10-09 12:11:23	cyphertite	if you need a progress indicator, see the excellent cryptsetep FAQs
2022-10-09 12:11:44	cyphertite	*cryptsetup FAQs
2022-10-09 12:16:49	dontdieych[m]	`pv /home/a/tumble.img > /dev/sda` pv also good for seeing writing speed :D
2022-10-09 12:18:27	dontdieych[m]	dont know about docker image but I've installed linux in virtualbox, convert image, write to external ssd. then successfully booted
2022-10-09 12:19:49	Warepire	tatsumaru: The difference between docker and your native machine is kernel modules and especially which modules are in the default initramfs. There's additional aspects to consider if you are moving it to a disk of a different size (smaller is harder than bigger)
2022-10-09 12:21:29	tatsumaru	Warepire: isn't docker using the underlying kernel? where does the difference come from?
2022-10-09 12:23:23	Warepire	Yes, that's the difference. Docker relies on the underlaying kernel. But when you migrate a filesystem on a native machine, you take the kernel with you (both the image and the modules), and the initramfs which you customized for your old machine.
2022-10-09 12:23:48	artefact	fallback should boot on most machines. then you re-run mkinitcpio
2022-10-09 12:23:51	Warepire	The fallback initramfs contains all modules, so any hardware difference that doesn't demand a different external module should be taken care of that way
2022-10-09 12:25:30	tatsumaru	hmm, I see. so running a script that copies packages and configurations after the base distro is installed would be more similar to docker, than using a disk image
2022-10-09 12:26:11	dontdieych[m]	tatsumaru: if using specific docker image is not hard requirement, make disk image with qemu or virtualbox would be more easy solution.
2022-10-09 12:30:39	Warepire	tatsumaru: Imaging will likely work, but if you're moving to a different size harddrive you need to be careful with the GPT backup area, specially if the new drive is smaller.
2022-10-09 12:32:08	HuntsMan	tatsumaru: if you are moving an arch install from one computer to another, that is possible, I did it with my old (dead) laptop to the new one
2022-10-09 12:33:28	tatsumaru	HuntsMan: yeah, maybe not a full install, but I have like a baseline of apps and libs and settings that are always the same whether I am re-installing or installing on new hardware and I feel like it would be cool to just be able to automate all that
2022-10-09 12:35:21	tatsumaru	probably should exclude stuff like gpu drivers since I might need different drivers on a new pc
2022-10-09 13:00:11	tatsumaru	artefact: isn't fan control managed by the motherboard?
2022-10-09 13:00:34	artefact	for discrete gpus? usually no
2022-10-09 13:02:17	Keridos	using archinstall with encryption of partitions my keymap is set to en_us on entering decryption passphrase, however I use de keymap. The keymap hook is in the mkinitcpio.conf so why is this happening?
2022-10-09 13:02:57	artefact	are you using grub_enable_cryptodisk=y ?
2022-10-09 13:03:14	Keridos	installer used systemd-boot
2022-10-09 13:04:36	artefact	you can try using HOOKS=(base systemd sd-encrypt sd-vconsole ...) instead. but it's more of a workaround
2022-10-09 13:05:16	artefact	another workaround is to make a second keyslot, which is your (de) passphrase typed on a us layout
2022-10-09 13:05:48	artefact	as a bépo user myself, this trick saved my ass a few times
2022-10-09 13:47:46	iulian115c	Hi guys, is anyone available to help me troubleshoot SuspendToDisk?
2022-10-09 13:48:18	artefact	!justask
2022-10-09 13:48:18	phrik	artefact: BLEEP BLOOP
2022-10-09 13:48:28	iulian115c	I tryed do do it myself following "https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate#Troubleshooting" and "https://01.org/blogs/rzhang/2015/best-practice-debug-linux-suspend/hibernate-issues"
2022-10-09 13:48:30	phrik	Title: Power management/Suspend and hibernate - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-09 13:49:48	ville	for some reason my mail setup has stopped functioning properly. looking at opensmtpd's log i see: "rspamd: failed to decode JSON response" but nothing in rspamd's log as far as i can tell. so is this opensmtpd failing to parse rspamd's response or?
2022-10-09 13:50:27	iulian115c	Simply put suspend to disk does mot work, it has the exact behaviour of "4.3.1 Symptom" from "https://01.org/blogs/rzhang/2015/best-practice-debug-linux-suspend/hibernate-issues"
2022-10-09 13:53:38	iulian115c	@ville, I think it is a better idea to ask on #opensmtpd wich is also on  libera.chat
2022-10-09 13:54:17	iulian115c	I found out about thei IRC group from here()
2022-10-09 13:54:20	iulian115c	https://github.com/OpenSMTPD/OpenSMTPD/blob/master/README.md
2022-10-09 14:00:47	ville	iulian115c: oh right, i'll head there
2022-10-09 14:01:39	iulian115c	I guess you already did a rigurous google search before asking
2022-10-09 14:01:42	iulian115c	right?
2022-10-09 14:02:22	iulian115c	anyway, I hope there you can find somewane able and wiling to help you
2022-10-09 14:23:00	gloomy	Hello, something's broken with my DE since a couple of days. xdg-desktop-portal-kde fails to start, these seem to be the relevant log messages: https://gist.github.com/ldorigo/91980881d5195ae40b14300bc766dda0
2022-10-09 14:23:30	gloomy	I don't fully understand the problem, but it looks like xdg-desktop-portal-kde is started before the display is initialized?
2022-10-09 14:25:01	hquake	Hmm. Have you tried installing some of the suggestions on line 10?
2022-10-09 14:26:02	hquake	I don't fully understand the problem either, but that would be my next step at least
2022-10-09 14:27:13	fernie	I have similar lines in logs, but xdg-desktop-portal-kde seems to be running, and everything seems to work just fine
2022-10-09 14:27:25	gloomy	Well it looks like it's trying to use xcb (not sure what that is). Also it worked until two days ago :D
2022-10-09 14:27:48	gloomy	xdg-desktop-portal-kde dumps core just after that
2022-10-09 14:27:59	thrice	what are you seeing on your DE, and why do you think it's related to xdg-desktop-portal-kde ?
2022-10-09 14:28:56	gloomy	Lots of things are not starting properly (plasmashell, secrets manager, polkit, ...) 
2022-10-09 14:29:31	gloomy	Not 100% sure why I think it's xdg now but that was my conclusion after I stared at the logs for a while :D Just a sec
2022-10-09 14:29:34	thrice	well, I don't think xdg-desktop-portal-kde is even a hard dep for plasma, so I wouldn't think it's related
2022-10-09 14:29:52	thrice	I don't even have it installed
2022-10-09 14:34:55	Ennea	yea, xdg-desktop-portal-kde is only for kde file dialogs in gtk programs and other stuff. definitely not required by KDE itself
2022-10-09 14:35:39	Ennea	it also crashes for me (according to the journal), but appears to properly start up later and works flawlessly. so you seem to be facing a different issue, gloomy 
2022-10-09 14:36:39	gloomy	Yes, it seems you're right. Trying to figure out why plasmashell and the secrets manager fail to start
2022-10-09 14:43:28	iulian115c	Meanwhile there is somewane that can help me troubleshoot SuspendToDisk(S4)?
2022-10-09 14:46:09	gloomy	So, don't think it's directly related to my problem, but while I'm doing maintenance: I had to fix a borked install a while back, and since them I have ldconfig warnings each time I run pacman, e.g.: https://gist.github.com/ldorigo/d007870383e21da73139380d02cb6cb0
2022-10-09 14:46:56	gloomy	I think those are just old .so files (pacman -F <file> doesn't return anything for the ones I tried). can I safely delete them?
2022-10-09 15:10:27	heythere221	Hello I'd like to install this game: https://github.com/santiontanon/stransball2 How do I install a program with a makefile? Also how do I check what dependencies I need? Unfortunately theres no PKGBUILD for this game.
2022-10-09 15:11:26	ChrisWarrick	heythere221: `cd sources; make`
2022-10-09 15:11:28	Scimmia	gloomy: those errors indicate filesystem corruption, including libQt5Gui.so, and you don't think it's related?
2022-10-09 15:11:52	ChrisWarrick	heythere221: if it complains about something missing, it will tell you (but it might only want SDL)
2022-10-09 15:11:56	Scimmia	and libQt5Core.so
2022-10-09 15:12:13	dontdieych[m]	<gloomy> "Lots of things are not starting..." <- usually I check `systemctl --failed --user`, `systemctl --failed --system` when weird thing is happen.
2022-10-09 15:12:31	heythere221	ChrisWarrick Zeah SDL is missing.
2022-10-09 15:12:40	Scimmia	gloomy: reinstall all packages on the system
2022-10-09 15:13:13	ChrisWarrick	heythere221: pacman -S sdl_image sdl_mixer sdl_sound
2022-10-09 15:14:04	dontdieych[m]	how about `pacman -Qkk`
2022-10-09 15:14:33	heythere221	!paste
2022-10-09 15:14:33	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-10-09 15:14:47	BrainDamage	pacman -Qkk is literally slower than reinstalling every package
2022-10-09 15:15:21	heythere221	ChrisWarrick Installed all that sdl packages bu now I get the following error: https://paste.rs/MRN
2022-10-09 15:15:55	gloomy	Scimmia: Those are all old so's. The so's corresponding to the latest version of the packages are there.
2022-10-09 15:16:25	gloomy	dontdieych[m]: Yup, not much to see there though. 
2022-10-09 15:16:27	ChrisWarrick	heythere221: looks like a bug in the game, find a different one
2022-10-09 15:16:28	Scimmia	it still indicates filesystem corruption
2022-10-09 15:16:39	ChrisWarrick	heythere221: (or tell the author to fix it)
2022-10-09 15:16:42	heythere221	ChrisWarrick Thanks
2022-10-09 15:17:17	gloomy	Scimmia: I'm on a metered (4g) connection so I'd really rather avoid doing that if I can. 
2022-10-09 15:17:57	heythere221	ChrisWarrick btw How did zou know about the 'make' command I mean where is that in the wiki? I looked for "make archlinux" but only got wiki entries mentioning PKGBUILD
2022-10-09 15:18:11	ChrisWarrick	heythere221: make is not at all arch-specific
2022-10-09 15:18:30	gloomy	(Or can I just reinstall from cache? Not sure what you mean exactly by filesystem corruption)
2022-10-09 15:18:34	Ennea	make is old. if there's a Makefile, you can make, basically
2022-10-09 15:18:45	sheep	make is a standard unix thing. it has been around since the 80s
2022-10-09 15:19:14	ChrisWarrick	and if there isn’t, there might be a ./configure script you can run
2022-10-09 15:19:48	sheep	this project doesn't follow a normal structure
2022-10-09 15:20:16	gloomy	I did a `pacman -F <file>` for every file that was showing errors, and it only showed a few ones still tied to a package, which I reinstalled. Deleted the rest. Also re-installed everything qt-related
2022-10-09 15:20:19	heythere221	I see. Thanks for your help everyone!
2022-10-09 15:20:23	very_sneaky	heythere221: if you need a reference, this might be helpful: https://makefiletutorial.com/
2022-10-09 15:20:24	phrik	Title: Makefile Tutorial By Example (at makefiletutorial.com)
2022-10-09 15:20:37	gloomy	More logs that make me think errors are related to xdg: https://gist.github.com/ldorigo/1bd1680751a0f684872a1d4f98860ee0
2022-10-09 15:20:40	very_sneaky	more about authoring them than using them though, i guess
2022-10-09 15:21:06	dontdieych[m]	gloomy: by default current version of pkgs in /var/cache... if you didn't removed them
2022-10-09 15:21:30	heythere221	very_sneaky Thanks!:)
2022-10-09 15:28:45	gloomy	https://gist.github.com/ldorigo/4f63733ef5d3704823dd2582a8913b11 Ran pacman -Qkk, nothing weird to me
2022-10-09 15:47:36	gloomy	Hah
2022-10-09 15:48:46	gloomy	I had accidentally misplaced the sddm session file that was supposed to start plasma alongside i3, so only i3 was starting. Nothing to do with xdg whatsoever
2022-10-09 15:49:08	⚡ 	gloomy facepalms
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2022-10-10 10:44:54	anotherNightmare	what do you mean the package is big? the sources?
2022-10-10 10:45:22	gnana	only depend missing gdb-common-git
2022-10-10 10:46:16	anotherNightmare	build it then
2022-10-10 12:20:59	Shapeshifter	I have a i7-1260P CPU in this laptop. Is it normal that most of the time, the performance cores stay in C1 state, while the efficiency cores stay in C6? I feel like this laptop is running a bit too hot in idle (45deg). I tried fiddling with power settings, e.g. cpupower set -b 15, but nothing relaly changes. Also watch cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu[0-9]*/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq shows 2.5ghz 
2022-10-10 12:21:05	Shapeshifter	most of the time for most cores, which also seems high in idle...
2022-10-10 12:22:27	Shapeshifter	Although I don't know if those numbers (scaling_cur_freq) are accurate. If I run i7z, it shows <1ghz for most cores most of the time.
2022-10-10 12:28:32	artefact	45c doesn't look that high for laptop idle. it depends on the fan curve more than anything
2022-10-10 12:28:47	throstur	well, and the case
2022-10-10 12:28:49	artefact	check power consumption, that might be a more reliable indicator
2022-10-10 12:30:24	thunfisch	i5-1240p in framework here, 40-45 degrees idle is perfectly normal
2022-10-10 12:31:31	thunfisch	getting lots of c7 and c10 as well, though not as much as I'd want due to being stuck in X instead of wayland still.
2022-10-10 12:31:32	grawity	hmm I thought modern CPUs run cooler, iirc my icelake laptop idles at 35ish?
2022-10-10 12:31:41	thunfisch	no, the intel cpus are heat monsters.
2022-10-10 12:32:13	artefact	it really just depends on fan curves. you can idle at 80C if you want
2022-10-10 12:32:15	grawity	this one I'm sitting at is also 42°C but it's old haswell
2022-10-10 12:32:22	thunfisch	the 1240p in the framework has a pl1 of 50-ish watts and pl2 of 30 watt, so it will ramp up very quickly.
2022-10-10 12:32:47	thunfisch	the 45 degrees on cpu is btw with fan at 0% after tweaking the thresholds in the EC a bit. 
2022-10-10 12:33:14	thunfisch	if I do anything that resembles actual work it will quickly jump to 60-70, where the fans start to kick in.
2022-10-10 12:33:31	artefact	zero rpm is smart
2022-10-10 12:33:49	Shapeshifter	Mhh, that's the thing, the fan is almost constantly running, and it's not exactly warm in this room. I wouldn't mind more heat if the fan would turn off. I wonder if I can tune the fan curve.
2022-10-10 12:33:49	artefact	these little blower fans are a huge p*ta to take apart and clean
2022-10-10 12:34:16	thunfisch	for me it's the noise. :) i like my workplace to be _silent_.
2022-10-10 12:36:53	thunfisch	also, as long as you're not experiencing thermal throttling, or getting close to tjmax, you probably should not worry about the temperatures.
2022-10-10 12:37:57	alextee	hi, quick question: does anyone know what package provides this? don't want to install the whole qt6 group: -- Could NOT find Qt6Qml (missing: Qt6Qml_DIR)
2022-10-10 12:38:41	bolnav[m]	What is the right place to ask that archlinux.org/download mentions [rsync](https://archlinux.org/mirrors) and is there a specific reason it doesn't?
2022-10-10 12:38:53	throstur	alextee: try pkgfile
2022-10-10 12:39:04	alextee	i don't know what file it's looking fo rthough
2022-10-10 12:39:08	alextee	that's a cmake config output
2022-10-10 12:39:48	throstur	install the library
2022-10-10 12:40:01	alextee	that's what I'm asking.... what package provides this library
2022-10-10 12:40:04	alextee	i dont know what library it is
2022-10-10 12:40:16	throstur	Qt 6
2022-10-10 12:40:21	throstur	install the whole thing
2022-10-10 12:40:24	alextee	qt 6 is a group with around 30 packges
2022-10-10 12:40:30	throstur	yes install them all
2022-10-10 12:40:33	alextee	i specifically asked if there's a specific package that provides that
2022-10-10 12:40:44	alextee	i dont want to install all of them
2022-10-10 12:40:54	alextee	anyway whatever i can't expect better from this community : D
2022-10-10 12:40:54	throstur	just install them all and remove them one by one if you really care to find out what package you really need
2022-10-10 12:41:01	alextee	thx
2022-10-10 12:41:20	throstur	... or expect to be spoonfed, I guess that works sometimes.
2022-10-10 12:41:30	thunfisch	!next
2022-10-10 12:41:31	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-10-10 12:41:55	grawity	I mean there *is* a point in between spoonfeeding and giving garbage answers
2022-10-10 12:42:21	throstur	yes, but you need to have patience to wait for those
2022-10-10 12:42:21	grawity	we could just tell everyone to reinstall when shit goes wrong, but we don't do that
2022-10-10 14:16:22	plarke	is pkg-config supposed to set up PKG_CONFIG_PATH? It's unset for me
2022-10-10 14:18:00	plarke	pkgconf 1.8.0-1
2022-10-10 14:18:12	Scimmia	no
2022-10-10 14:19:19	plarke	Ok, why not have it add /usr/lib/pkgconfig?
2022-10-10 14:20:08	Scimmia	because ths't a built in default
2022-10-10 14:21:13	plarke	I love linux
2022-10-10 14:28:15	cyph3r	Anyone here using limine bootloader?
2022-10-10 14:28:27	cyph3r	I'm tired of fighting with GRUB
2022-10-10 14:29:54	Namarrgon	!g limine bootloader
2022-10-10 14:29:56	phrik	Namarrgon: No results found.
2022-10-10 14:31:53	Namarrgon	looks a bit limited in features compared to grub, i doubt it's a proper replacement.
2022-10-10 14:32:15	Namarrgon	if all you need is a fancy uefi-menu then you already have systemd-boot installed
2022-10-10 14:32:41	Namarrgon	why are you fighting with grub anyway?
2022-10-10 14:54:04	anotherNightmare	Artix?
2022-10-10 14:54:48	Psi-Jack	Busted.
2022-10-10 14:56:04	cyph3r	It's basically the same distro
2022-10-10 14:56:09	anotherNightmare	!artix
2022-10-10 14:56:09	phrik	Artix is based on Arch Linux but does things differently, so it isn't (and can't be) supported here. Please ask for IRC support in #artix on libera.chat. See also !notarch.
2022-10-10 14:56:10	Psi-Jack	Yeah, no.
2022-10-10 14:57:08	anotherNightmare	tabs closed.
2022-10-10 14:57:13	cyph3r	Okay, but this is an issue Arch users also face right?
2022-10-10 14:57:21	mpan	No
2022-10-10 14:57:33	mpan	And even if we did, it doesn’t matter. Your problem is with another distro.
2022-10-10 14:57:58	⚡ 	throstur tips hat
2022-10-10 14:58:21	anotherNightmare	not that I heard of
2022-10-10 14:58:28	mpan	For general non-Arch questions there is #linus and #grub, if you do not want to ask specifically in #artix.
2022-10-10 14:58:37	mpan	* #linux
2022-10-10 14:58:49	artefact	do you get a menu if you boot while keeping, eg, an arrow key pressed?
2022-10-10 14:59:22	mpan	artefact: escalating the situation will not really help.
2022-10-10 14:59:24	cyph3r	artefact: no I don't, pressibg arrows and ESC does not show the menu
2022-10-10 14:59:58	artefact	mpan: escalating what? i'm sorry, i didn't realise we were drowning out the actual arch support here
2022-10-10 15:00:11	Psi-Jack	There's no Arch question here.
2022-10-10 15:00:17	mpan	artefact: they do not run Arch.
2022-10-10 15:00:20	throstur	make this issua about booting into arch and everyone is happy, cypher you got a spare partition for arch and some free time?
2022-10-10 15:00:59	Psi-Jack	It's more the fact they hid the truth, and further suggested it was the same.
2022-10-10 15:01:01	Namarrgon	artix is not supported here, take it somewhere else. alternative channels were provided already
2022-10-10 15:02:19	cyph3r	Okay
2022-10-10 15:02:55	Namarrgon	check the upstream bugtracker, you're more likely to find similar cases there
2022-10-10 15:03:33	cyph3r	I have found similar cases, but no solution found yet
2022-10-10 15:03:54	Namarrgon	if they aren't current cases they are probably not similar
2022-10-10 15:35:49	JeanMax	hugh
2022-10-10 16:27:29	bluetail	what would be the recommended way to play youtube from the cli? I have used 'youtube-cli' and invoked by 'youtube-dl -p 'Water Temple 10 hours' . But its quite old. Its from 2019. Is there something more up to date? I had tried   aur/tizonia-all but the issue was that python-pafy and other packages could not be resolved. Should I drop the
2022-10-10 16:27:29	bluetail	maintainer a message?
2022-10-10 16:27:59	bluetail	Oh sheesh. Trying formatting and I havent fully learned it
2022-10-10 16:28:43	bluetail	it appears both packages are unmaintained... dang
2022-10-10 16:31:46	Ennea	bluetail, use mpv?
2022-10-10 16:32:29	bluetail	Ennea there was a mpv-youtube-search thing in the past. Have they made it a core functionality?
2022-10-10 16:32:41	bluetail	I do not wish to open the browser, search for something, copy the link, paste it to mpv
2022-10-10 16:32:57	Ennea	oh, you don't want to use a browser at all
2022-10-10 16:32:59	Ennea	yea, no clue
2022-10-10 16:33:13	bluetail	ok. So I keep using youtube-cli for now
2022-10-10 16:33:35	bluetail	 youtube-cli  This should appear black
2022-10-10 16:33:45	bluetail	Hey it worked. Can you see the two different colors?
2022-10-10 16:33:47	Ennea	maybe don't test your formatting stuff in here
2022-10-10 16:33:54	bluetail	Yea sorry :|
2022-10-10 16:34:05	bluetail	Perhaps shouldn't do it at all?
2022-10-10 16:34:16	bluetail	I wonder why it exists
2022-10-10 16:34:46	Ennea	it's typically helpful especially in channel topics
2022-10-10 16:35:18	mpan	It exists, because mIRC had that idea and implemented it. It is enabled here (which is different from existence), because formatting may be useful to convey messages better. If used reasonably and with clear purpose, not randomly.
2022-10-10 16:36:40	bluetail	Of course. But it would assume the user doesnt have the same background as the formatted text color
2022-10-10 16:37:20	bluetail	don't even mind the potential A11Y (Accessibility) issues
2022-10-10 16:38:09	mpan	bluetail: which is why one uses colors sparsely, preferrably only ones that are unlikely to be used as the background. And, if that can’t be assured, sets the background color too, which — again — may be pretty intrusive on some people’s displays, so it’s better if it’s avoided.
2022-10-10 16:39:01	bluetail	Waah!? I can set somebody elses background color ? Thats bonkers
2022-10-10 16:39:15	mpan	Bright green is pretty unlikely to be used by anyone as the background, for example. Of course exceptions happen, but if you have a good reason to use colors, that may be a reasonable sacrifice.
2022-10-10 16:39:52	bluetail	Being able to set background colors is dangerous. Saturated Blue or Red can trigger seizures, especially as a large surface!
2022-10-10 16:40:12	bluetail	You wouldn't want somebody else cause you a seizure
2022-10-10 16:40:16	Ennea	yea, well, you can't set the entire background to something else. only the background of the message you're writing
2022-10-10 16:40:16	mpan	Then do not set it.
2022-10-10 16:40:27	bluetail	Oh I see. What a relief
2022-10-10 16:40:46	Ennea	as for background colors of clients, some clients account for that. weechat replaces mirc black with a dark gray
2022-10-10 16:40:51	mpan	Use formatting, when it really conveys meaning and helps understanding.
2022-10-10 16:40:55	Ennea	(of course assuming the terminal's background is black, but when is it not, anyway)
2022-10-10 16:56:36	low-key	plugged in a headphone using a 3.5mm to usb-c adapter and audio doesn't seem to switch to it
2022-10-10 16:56:43	low-key	does this need some special setting up?
2022-10-10 17:19:48	dontdieych[m]	low-key: I use script to toggle speaker/earphone. earphone always plugged. But in that case,  it seems to headphone not recognized at all.
2022-10-10 17:22:48	MrElendig	low-key: uname -r; pacman -Q linux
2022-10-10 17:23:15	low-key	h4rd3n3d: this setup works fine on my windows boot so i don't think it's a hardware issue
2022-10-10 17:23:58	low-key	dontdieych[m]: 5.19.13-arch1-1
2022-10-10 17:24:06	low-key	TIL we have a matrix bridge!
2022-10-10 17:24:22	MrElendig	1. wrong person 2. that is only half the output
2022-10-10 17:24:31	low-key	oh sorry
2022-10-10 17:24:36	low-key	linux 5.19.13.arch1-1
2022-10-10 17:24:50	dontdieych[m]	nvm
2022-10-10 17:25:02	low-key	it seemed to be the same 🙈
2022-10-10 17:25:11	MrElendig	open your favorite mixer and see if you can swith the output
2022-10-10 17:25:40	low-key	ahem, how do i figure out if i have one?
2022-10-10 17:26:24	MrElendig	ask yourself "Do I have a favourite mixer?"
2022-10-10 17:26:35	MrElendig	then hope your split personality answers you
2022-10-10 17:26:42	low-key	i don't think i ever installed one unless setting up pipewire gave me one along the way
2022-10-10 17:27:56	low-key	okay, i don't seem to have anything from the pulseaudio page so i'll just install one
2022-10-10 17:28:04	artefact	try installing pavucontrol, it's fairly intuitive
2022-10-10 17:30:01	low-key	oooh, that did it
2022-10-10 17:30:21	low-key	thank you so much! :D
2022-10-10 17:30:35	low-key	is there a way to automate it instead of having to launch pavucontrol each time and switching the sources?
2022-10-10 17:31:17	MrElendig	depends on how smart this dongle is
2022-10-10 17:31:26	MrElendig	if it does jack sensing or not
2022-10-10 17:32:01	MrElendig	otherwise, if you only plug the dongle in when you are going to use it, you can set up a rule to have it autoswitch to it always, independently of if the headset is plugged in or not
2022-10-10 17:32:05	MrElendig	howto on the wiki
2022-10-10 17:32:06	anotherNightmare	You can probably also write a wireplumber config to do it for you
2022-10-10 17:33:02	low-key	thanks, i'll check both out
2022-10-10 17:33:08	low-key	which wiki page would i be looking at? audio?
2022-10-10 17:33:35	MrElendig	pulseaudio / pipewire
2022-10-10 17:33:45	dontdieych[m]	https://paste.rs/jux this is toggle-speaker/headphone fish shell function. it may help little hint.
2022-10-10 17:34:50	MrElendig	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#Sound_does_not_automatically_switch_when_connecting_a_new_device
2022-10-10 17:34:51	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-10 17:34:56	MrElendig	if you are using pipewire
2022-10-10 17:35:05	MrElendig	note: it might not move existing streams
2022-10-10 17:35:20	low-key	thank you so much! 🥺
2022-10-10 17:35:29	arch-angel	is it possible to block access to home folder, microphone and video for wine applications?
2022-10-10 17:35:40	arch-angel	i don't trust them .exe files
2022-10-10 17:35:43	MrElendig	arch-angel: bottles
2022-10-10 17:35:54	arch-angel	what are those?
2022-10-10 17:36:00	MrElendig	!aw bottle
2022-10-10 17:36:01	phrik	MrElendig: No results found.
2022-10-10 17:36:03	MrElendig	:/
2022-10-10 17:36:11	arch-angel	https://usebottles.com/download/
2022-10-10 17:36:12	phrik	Title: Download ⋅ Bottles (at usebottles.com)
2022-10-10 17:36:14	arch-angel	this you mean?
2022-10-10 17:36:17	MrElendig	https://usebottles.com/
2022-10-10 17:36:18	phrik	Title: Easily run Windows software on Linux with Bottles! ⋅ Bottles (at usebottles.com)
2022-10-10 17:36:22	MrElendig	yes
2022-10-10 17:36:30	arch-angel	ah
2022-10-10 17:36:36	MrElendig	alternatively firejail 
2022-10-10 17:36:48	MrElendig	or use a seperate user
2022-10-10 17:36:53	BrainDamage	the wiki also has some nice pointers to use separate users
2022-10-10 17:37:00	MrElendig	or a vm
2022-10-10 17:38:02	artefact	$(pactl set-default-sink ...) works well and will move existing streams
2022-10-10 17:38:12	artefact	(except jack clients)
2022-10-10 17:38:36	anotherNightmare	wpctl set-default ...
2022-10-10 18:25:39	citazen	is there a android emulator for apk packages?
2022-10-10 18:25:55	MrElendig	multiple
2022-10-10 18:26:03	citazen	slim version?
2022-10-10 18:26:16	MrElendig	only thicc
2022-10-10 18:26:27	citazen	ty MrElendig will take a quick look
2022-10-10 18:27:24	MrElendig	anbox is a somewhat popular choice
2022-10-10 18:27:42	MrElendig	but it depends on exactly what you are trying to do
2022-10-10 18:28:10	citazen	i have to download an authenticator in order to post on a forum
2022-10-10 18:28:30	citazen	i dont phone; desktop
2022-10-10 18:29:12	MrElendig	don't they use standard topt?
2022-10-10 18:29:18	MrElendig	totp*
2022-10-10 18:29:30	MrElendig	and what horrible forum is this?
2022-10-10 18:29:48	citazen	btw my badest polical vide site has almost 1000 vids running atm, when i got some secuirty in place, will drop link
2022-10-10 18:29:55	citazen	yes it is totp
2022-10-10 18:30:13	MrElendig	if its standard totp then you can use keepassxc or whatever you want
2022-10-10 18:30:18	citazen	but it uses a phone, that i have to insert the totp manually
2022-10-10 18:31:40	citazen	this is a polotical forum, under daily attack
2022-10-10 18:32:59	citazen	the system seems to e using Octave Auhtenticator? new to me
2022-10-10 18:33:24	astralc	citazen: use keepassxc
2022-10-10 18:33:36	citazen	k will look at all this now
2022-10-10 18:34:14	Psi-Jack[m]	Or, like any modern password manager, Bitwarden, Enpass, LastPass, KeePassXC.
2022-10-10 18:34:58	nyuszika7h	i like 1password but bitwarden is also good if you want a free solution
2022-10-10 18:35:24	nyuszika7h	lastpass is meh, used to use it but 1pw/bitwarden better plus now on the free plan you can only use it on desktop OR mobile
2022-10-10 18:36:05	MrElendig	lastpass is great if you want other people to read your passwords
2022-10-10 18:36:21	gehidore	agreed
2022-10-10 18:36:24	nyuszika7h	lol
2022-10-10 18:36:44	MrElendig	1password also got pwned at least twice
2022-10-10 18:36:57	nyuszika7h	lastpass does have some extra features like limiting country of login but that's pretty much security theater, vpns exist
2022-10-10 18:37:16	citazen	place a , in your password to fawk any dumps yw
2022-10-10 18:37:18	Psi-Jack[m]	I mean, LastPass is great in that you can share passwords, and it requires that it be used only on a matching site, so they never actually know the password.
2022-10-10 18:37:30	MrElendig	lastpass getting breached is pretty much a yearly occurance, if not more often
2022-10-10 18:37:33	Psi-Jack[m]	But lastpass has yet to be truly pwned.
2022-10-10 18:37:40	nyuszika7h	lastpass also always wanted me to verify logins from unknown ip in email *and* enter 2fa code unless i'm remembering wrong
2022-10-10 18:38:10	Psi-Jack[m]	nyuszika7h: Yeah, since the change... I've dropped them and run my own now, Vaultwarden for Bitwarden.
2022-10-10 18:38:56	nyuszika7h	1password has a secret key thing in addition to the master password, not sure how much that really helps in terms of security but it's kinda annoying too imo
2022-10-10 18:39:53	nyuszika7h	the thing is 1password is closed source but receives constant updates (mainly autofill fixes but also other little things), while bitwarden isn't that super active but technically you can do stuff yourself because it's open source
2022-10-10 18:40:09	nyuszika7h	i might consider migrating back to bitwarden one day but in that case i'll do self hosted ig
2022-10-10 18:40:16	Psi-Jack[m]	nyuszika7h: It doesn't, really. When the crypto is strong enough like what's
2022-10-10 18:40:41	Psi-Jack[m]	what's used in LastPass, or what's used in a better configured 1password setup...
2022-10-10 18:41:36	nyuszika7h	what's there to configure about 1password?
2022-10-10 18:41:54	jkc	nyuszika7h: The secret key in 1Password is the crypto key for all of your stuff, so them getting hacked doesn't really mean much.
2022-10-10 18:42:17	nyuszika7h	isn't that usually the purpose of the master password?
2022-10-10 18:42:25	jkc	In 1Password's case, no.
2022-10-10 18:42:45	nyuszika7h	hmm well i suppose they don't have to store a hash of the secret key at all, do they
2022-10-10 18:42:52	nyuszika7h	since they can just see if it decrypts successfully
2022-10-10 18:42:55	jkc	Username, password, and 2FA if you use it is what gets you the synced data AT ALL. It's the secret key that actually decrypts the synced data client-side.
2022-10-10 18:42:57	nyuszika7h	but can't you do the same with master password
2022-10-10 18:43:05	nyuszika7h	on other services i mean
2022-10-10 18:43:29	nyuszika7h	hmm
2022-10-10 18:43:38	MrElendig	browser intigration have been troublesome, specially before the new crypto api
2022-10-10 18:43:46	jkc	For what, 1Password?
2022-10-10 18:44:01	MrElendig	both lastpass and 1password (and most others)
2022-10-10 18:44:16	jkc	Uh, what browser?
2022-10-10 18:44:29	nyuszika7h	lynx /s
2022-10-10 18:44:30	citazen	MrElendig: do you have a link for the Thicc, can not seem to find it?
2022-10-10 18:44:51	MrElendig	citazen: seems that one flew over your head
2022-10-10 18:45:08	MrElendig	citazen: look at anbox
2022-10-10 18:45:17	citazen	i assk for slim and u loled me. kek
2022-10-10 18:45:20	citazen	gotcha
2022-10-10 18:45:27	baltazar	I just use `pass` and sync it via git to a personal machine. has usable android apps and browser integration as well imo
2022-10-10 18:45:51	artefact	same. with dmenu + middle click paste it's ok
2022-10-10 18:46:08	citazen	yes anbox, seems like a bit of an install for just an emulator. may as well just download the whole android package for building since emulator withing
2022-10-10 18:46:44	citazen	baltazar: that is upper level for me. any docs?
2022-10-10 18:46:55	baltazar	citazen: well, it has man pages :P
2022-10-10 18:47:04	citazen	pass?
2022-10-10 18:47:04	jkc	If that's what counts as usable for you, you are not the target audience here. :P
2022-10-10 18:47:10	Psi-Jack[m]	pass has browser integration now?
2022-10-10 18:47:11	baltazar	citazen: yeah
2022-10-10 18:47:15	citazen	ty
2022-10-10 18:47:38	Psi-Jack[m]	I use BitWarden for much more than passwords though.
2022-10-10 18:48:07	nyuszika7h	1password also has more item types which can be nice, though technically you can also have custom fields and notes in bitwarden too
2022-10-10 18:48:16	baltazar	you can optionally install pass-otp for one time password support, and browserpass for the browser integration thingy
2022-10-10 18:49:16	Psi-Jack[m]	Yeah, I have my US Driver's license, soon to include my Canada one, Passport card and Passport Book info, AARP, AAA/CAA info, credit cards, VIN numbers, License Plate numbers, etc.
2022-10-10 18:49:34	Psi-Jack[m]	Has saved me time to have the License plate when parking, sometimes. :)
2022-10-10 18:50:06	nyuszika7h	yeah iirc bitwarden only has credit/debit card type but 1password has bank account too
2022-10-10 18:50:39	Psi-Jack[m]	nyuszika7h: Bitwarden can do literally anything, with custom fieldas.
2022-10-10 18:50:43	nyuszika7h	i said that yeah
2022-10-10 18:50:47	nyuszika7h	but predefined types are still handy
2022-10-10 18:51:06	nyuszika7h	could always fork it and add more types i guess
2022-10-10 18:51:11	Psi-Jack[m]	Eh... Yes and no.
2022-10-10 18:51:19	Psi-Jack[m]	I had that with Enpass, but it actually got in the way more than Bitwarden's customizable fields are.
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2022-10-10 19:52:30	lambda	h4rd3n3d: what would a "breach" of an offline password manager look like?
2022-10-10 19:55:06	astralc	things like accessing the passwords from a locked manager, from stolen laptop, hard disk, synced file google drive?
2022-10-10 20:10:45	Chargen	aloha
2022-10-10 20:10:58	mefistofeles	!give Chargen welcomerpg
2022-10-10 20:10:58	phrik	Chargen: Greetings, observer of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get ruined on this day?
2022-10-10 20:11:41	nyuszika7h	<lambda> h4rd3n3d: what would a "breach" of an offline password manager look like? <-- supply chain attack where they push a malicious update to steal your data?
2022-10-10 20:13:06	Chargen	np I got ducttape with the English wrench
2022-10-10 20:13:24	Chargen	no symmetry broken today, but my day.... is just begun
2022-10-10 20:24:26	vardo	Hello. I used alt+sysreq+f then I had a process named 'melt' taking up all the CPU or so, what is this? I cannot find this 'melt' with a web search
2022-10-10 20:25:00	Namarrgon	!give vardo pacman-file
2022-10-10 20:25:01	phrik	vardo: Find out what package owns a file, even if the package isn't installed. pacman -Fy <file> (similar to !pkgfile)
2022-10-10 20:25:52	vardo	Namarrgon, Thank you
2022-10-10 20:27:00	vardo	Ah ok package mlt, thanks, gonna look this one up
2022-10-10 20:28:27	vardo	OK so it's connected to kdenlive, I thought it was a meltdown thing, stupid me
2022-10-10 20:44:16	setpill	Should pkgrel be increased in a PKGBUILD if the resulting package is not affected? 🤔
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2022-10-10 20:44:48	Namarrgon	probably not. what exactly are you doing?
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2022-10-10 20:45:23	setpill	Specific scenario is a bit arcane (:
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2022-10-10 20:45:50	setpill	I maintain lnd-bin, upstream has a reproducible build scheme where they provide multiple signatures for the same binary
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2022-10-10 20:46:50	setpill	Idea is not to have a single authority, but multiple that need to verify each other. Normally the aim is 5 signatures for a release, but latest release was an emergency fix so I lowered the requirement as it was not usable as-is (and not enough signatures present yet).
2022-10-10 20:47:18	setpill	*I maintain the lnd-bin AUR package
2022-10-10 20:47:52	setpill	Now that new sigs have come out I want to re-raise the signature requirement back up, but was thinking if I should bump pkgrel or not. Seems not.
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2022-10-11 12:36:30	bblinky	'-o user=root'?
2022-10-11 12:36:34	bblinky	MasterOfDisaster: yes
2022-10-11 12:37:39	MasterOfDisaster	Hm. weird. what does "sudo namei -mx /home/bblinky/mnt" give you?
2022-10-11 12:37:42	bblinky	MasterOfDisaster: my original mount commans was 'sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /home/bblinky/mnt'
2022-10-11 12:38:38	bblinky	MasterOfDisaster: f: mnt
2022-10-11 12:38:39	bblinky	 Drwxr-xr-x mnt
2022-10-11 12:38:56	gloomy_laptop	Not really arch-specific, but: is there a way to download/view the manpage for a command without installing the package? 
2022-10-11 12:39:15	grawity	w3m man.archlinux.org/man/cp
2022-10-11 12:40:05	gloomy_laptop	(I mean obviously I can wget the archlinux manpages, but Ideally I'd like to pre-download a lot of pages.)
2022-10-11 12:40:34	grawity	there's no standalone archive of just the manpages, no
2022-10-11 12:40:35	MasterOfDisaster	bblinky: Yeah sorry - my money was on user mixup between qemu and mountpoint.
2022-10-11 12:40:37	gloomy_laptop	grawity: was that for me? is w3m a package? 
2022-10-11 12:40:54	MasterOfDisaster	bblinky: AppArmor perhaps?
2022-10-11 12:41:21	bblinky	I'm pretty sure i didn't install such a thing..
2022-10-11 12:41:26	grawity	you can have pacman *download* the .pkg tarball, then extract just the manpage out of the tarball "pacman -Sw bash && man <(bsdtar xfO /var/cache/pacman/pkg/bash-5.1.016-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst usr/share/man/man1/bash.1.gz)"
2022-10-11 12:41:26	Halian	Hey, I'm having a weird problem with my Arch installation. I run an AMD Radeon RX 570 GPU with the amdgpu driver, and every time my system boots, I have to turn the monitor off, switch to a vtty, turn the monitor back on, log in as root, and kill X to get the GUI to show up. (The monitor is a Sceptre E248W-1920 connected by a DVI-HDMI cable, but the problem persists no matter what cable I use.)
2022-10-11 12:41:29	Halian	What is going wrong, and what if anything can I do to fix it?
2022-10-11 12:41:29	gloomy_laptop	Ah got it, cli browser. Yeah ok, better than nothing :) 
2022-10-11 12:41:44	rapha	hi all!
2022-10-11 12:41:48	bblinky	MasterOfDisaster: oh, it's standard
2022-10-11 12:41:55	grawity	more or less that's how man.archlinux.org works, after all – it extracts manpages from the whole packages that it has downloaded
2022-10-11 12:42:11	rapha	my laptop speakers/headphone jack are suddenly gone, can somebody help me?
2022-10-11 12:42:49	MasterOfDisaster	bblinky: "sudo aa-teardown" disables it until the next reboot.
2022-10-11 12:42:59	MasterOfDisaster	Try if it works then.
2022-10-11 12:43:09	bblinky	command not found
2022-10-11 12:43:43	MasterOfDisaster	Try handing namei the complete path to the qcow file and run it both as user and with sudo
2022-10-11 12:43:44	bblinky	just installed it
2022-10-11 12:44:00	bblinky	sudo aa-teardownUnloading AppArmor profiles
2022-10-11 12:44:01	bblinky	Error: Root privileges not available
2022-10-11 12:44:15	bblinky	0_o
2022-10-11 12:44:15	MasterOfDisaster	wat
2022-10-11 12:44:26	bblinky	yes
2022-10-11 12:44:44	grawity	*did* you check dmesg yet?
2022-10-11 12:44:59	grawity	mount failures? kernel usually logs the specific complaint in dmesg
2022-10-11 12:45:06	grawity	apparmor denials? kernel logs the denial to dmesg
2022-10-11 12:45:14	grawity	(though if you didn't have apparmor tools installed, it's unlikely it was that)
2022-10-11 12:46:34	bblinky	I'm terribly at looking at or even understanding dmesg
2022-10-11 12:46:39	bblinky	But I'm happy to share
2022-10-11 12:46:41	bblinky	http://ix.io/4cPb
2022-10-11 12:47:24	bblinky	grawity: is there anything I could grep for?
2022-10-11 12:48:11	bblinky	(i did '-Rns apparmor' now
2022-10-11 12:50:08	bblinky	I am wondering if it can have anything to do with the type of drive being one of these new fancy samsung t7 touch drives with built in encryption... But I assume it shouldn't make a difference?
2022-10-11 12:51:52	bluetail	I have broke pulseaudio with the latest updates
2022-10-11 12:52:05	bluetail	I seem to have audio device underruns
2022-10-11 12:52:34	bluetail	I already deleted the config and reset the stuff...
2022-10-11 12:52:50	rapha	hmm perhaps i should give more info
2022-10-11 12:52:59	rapha	a few months back i switched from pulseaudio to portaudio
2022-10-11 12:53:03	MasterOfDisaster	bblinky: have a look at libvirtd's logs. Perhaps it's systemd's security thing.
2022-10-11 12:53:26	rapha	and since the last update, apparently, that is, yesterday, now only my HDMI audio output shows up, no other outputs (namely the laptop speakers/headphone jack) anymore
2022-10-11 12:53:33	MasterOfDisaster	bblinky: what does the service unit look like? "systemctl cat libvirtd.service"
2022-10-11 12:53:37	rapha	how do i even diagnose this?
2022-10-11 12:54:56	grawity	do you mean portaudio or do you mean pipewire
2022-10-11 12:55:12	grawity	portaudio isn't exactly a pulse replacement
2022-10-11 12:55:14	bblinky	MasterOfDisaster: http://ix.io/4cPg
2022-10-11 12:56:14	MasterOfDisaster	bblinky: nope, no Restrict*, no ReadWritePaths.
2022-10-11 12:56:39	MasterOfDisaster	bblinky: Sorry mate, out of ideas
2022-10-11 12:56:57	bblinky	Fair enough..
2022-10-11 12:57:33	bblinky	I guess I'll try poking it some more ad possibly call samsung and ask if they will refund if reformating borks it
2022-10-11 13:01:23	bblinky	MasterOfDisaster: I actually have a normal usb stick in my bag, I'll try to move it there and see if that works
2022-10-11 13:02:57	bblinky	MasterOfDisaster: oh, could it have anything to do with neither exfatprogs or utils being installed??
2022-10-11 13:15:23	MasterOfDisaster	bblinky: If mounting the stick works (i.e. you can view the files), you don't need additional packages.
2022-10-11 13:16:04	MasterOfDisaster	bblinky: I missed the fact that the current driver for exFAT moved to the kernel - used to use the fuse version.
2022-10-11 13:21:28	bblinky	Anyways, my train ride is over soon so I guess I'll have to get back to it later
2022-10-11 13:22:05	bblinky	Do you think it's a system issue or a virt-man issue tho MasterOfDisaster ?
2022-10-11 13:22:40	kek_2	hi
2022-10-11 13:23:03	kek_2	if I add "127.0.0.1:8080   foobar.com" to my /etc/hosts, should that take effect immediately?
2022-10-11 13:23:30	luigibu	mm... not sure you can put a port in hosts file
2022-10-11 13:23:58	luigibu	immediately - yes
2022-10-11 13:24:13	kek_2	luigibu, I actually goglet it, just reread what I read before and turns out, I read wrong.
2022-10-11 13:24:37	kek_2	nevermind, it's fine :) just remembered something
2022-10-11 13:24:44	luigibu	np!
2022-10-11 13:27:33	rapha	oh great, there's not even any sound coming out of the HDMI :(
2022-10-11 13:28:01	rapha	grawity: i'm not sure actually ... i have a package installed and a process running called portaudio-pulse and i thought this is what makes the sound
2022-10-11 13:28:52	grawity	that sounds like a thread name, can't find a whole daemon named like that
2022-10-11 13:29:10	grawity	it's probably a thread in some portaudio-using game or other app, which talks to pulseaudio for making sound
2022-10-11 13:29:33	bblinky	MasterOfDisaster: Ok, I think it might be a Samsung issue.. Somehow somewhy it has just changed from being sdb to sdd
2022-10-11 13:29:48	bblinky	And it's still mountet as sdb... So that's nice
2022-10-11 13:29:59	bblinky	gottat get off the train now, bbl
2022-10-11 13:33:06	dontdieych[m]	dbus question. I did method call with D-feet, Qtdbusviewer successfully. https://i.imgur.com/HHuhY6r.png. How to translate it to cli command? `dbus-send` or `qdbus`. specially last argument. `{}`
2022-10-11 13:33:23	dontdieych[m]	a@archlinux ~ [1]> qdbus org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications Inhibit "" "" "{}"
2022-10-11 13:33:23	dontdieych[m]	Sorry, can't pass arg of type 'QVariantMap'.
2022-10-11 13:33:24	dontdieych[m]	a@archlinux ~ [1]>
2022-10-11 13:34:48	grawity	I would recommend gdbus or busctl (in gdbus I think it'd be "@a{sv} {}"?), but I'm not sure if it will work with *any* kind of instant-exit process
2022-10-11 13:34:57	rapha	grawity: so maybe then pipewire got deinstalled by some update?
2022-10-11 13:35:26	grawity	some components that have those inhibit-type calls actually monitor the bus for the process exiting, as soon as it exits the inhibit is released
2022-10-11 13:35:37	grawity	(like if an app crashes, you don't want the notifications to be permanently disabled)
2022-10-11 13:36:07	rapha	oh wait, i do have a process pipewire as well as pipewire-media-session as well as pipewire-pulse running grawity 
2022-10-11 13:36:18	rapha	but no pulseaudio process, which I think is correct
2022-10-11 13:36:54	grawity	then pipewire is your actual sound server (probably -- check `fuser -v /dev/snd/*` just in case), pipewire-pulse is the "pulseaudio emulator"
2022-10-11 13:37:54	rapha	hahaaa
2022-10-11 13:38:05	rapha	it's working again, i killed all pipewire* processes and they restarted themselves
2022-10-11 13:38:07	rapha	thank you grawity 
2022-10-11 13:38:38	dontdieych[m]	grawity: thanks, I'll try it
2022-10-11 14:06:33	dontdieych[m]	grawity: you are right. method call is working but does not turn on inhibit actually.
2022-10-11 14:06:42	dontdieych[m]	becoming tricky @.@
2022-10-11 14:16:33	dontdieych[m]	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux4noobs/comments/q2l0bs/is_there_any_way_to_schedule_do_not_disturb_for/hfm39uv/
2022-10-11 14:16:47	dontdieych[m]	found workaround. not perfect but not bad
2022-10-11 14:53:53	octopus	How can I set flatpak apps as default apps using something like xdg-mime?
2022-10-11 14:59:49	dontdieych[m]	controlling 'Do not disturb' thing is quite rabbit hole ... two hours research. it is result. https://gist.github.com/b541065eac1528a1f46d02245a74e9e4
2022-10-11 15:04:16	Psi-Jack	octopus: Default.... On what way, for what? Generally those would show up in your default apps configurator in whatever DE you use.
2022-10-11 15:04:45	octopus	I don't use any DE :)
2022-10-11 15:04:57	Psi-Jack	Well, then. There's no defaults for anything thing.
2022-10-11 15:04:58	Psi-Jack	then*
2022-10-11 15:06:09	Psi-Jack	Or you could actually take the time to read the xdg-mime manpage. 😛
2022-10-11 15:06:55	octopus	xdg-open
2022-10-11 15:06:55	octopus	-_-
2022-10-11 15:07:37	Psi-Jack	Also check ~/.config/mimeapps.list
2022-10-11 15:08:25	jelle	octopus: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/614899/setting-a-flatpak-app-as-the-default-web-browser ?
2022-10-11 15:08:26	phrik	Title: Setting a Flatpak app as the default web browser - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2022-10-11 15:11:40	dagle	octopus: What kind of program is it that you want to change?
2022-10-11 15:11:55	octopus	video/mp4
2022-10-11 15:12:00	octopus	smplayer
2022-10-11 15:12:03	octopus	vlc
2022-10-11 15:12:19	octopus	thanks jelle
2022-10-11 15:13:25	MacGyver	Also note you can edit .config/mimeapps.list by hand
2022-10-11 15:13:39	MacGyver	Should you want to edit an existing association in bulk.
2022-10-11 15:13:55	dontdieych[m]	octopus: there is tool for that. cli tool. lemme find
2022-10-11 15:13:58	raster	you dont need to use a DE to have somethng that handles the mimeapps for you :) some wm's handle it too
2022-10-11 15:14:12	dontdieych[m]	like all videos to mpv ..
2022-10-11 15:15:52	dagle	xdg-mime default your_desktopentry video/mp4 
2022-10-11 15:15:57	dagle	Shouldn't that work?
2022-10-11 15:16:17	Psi-Jack	xdg-mime doesn't set, it queries.
2022-10-11 15:16:25	dagle	...
2022-10-11 15:16:35	dagle	query does queries 
2022-10-11 15:17:29	octopus	the problem is XDG_DATA_DIRS have '/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share' in path
2022-10-11 15:18:20	dagle	Then you might need to write a custom destkop entry.
2022-10-11 15:18:21	octopus	also update-desktop-database do work on that folder
2022-10-11 15:18:31	dontdieych[m]	octopus: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Default_applications#Resource_openers
2022-10-11 15:18:33	phrik	Title: Default applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-11 15:18:45	octopus	'/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share/applications' have the file 'mimeinfo.cache'
2022-10-11 15:18:50	dontdieych[m]	not exactly working with xdg-utils but replacement
2022-10-11 15:18:59	octopus	but xdg-mime do not mention those desktop files
2022-10-11 15:19:05	octopus	for unknown reasons
2022-10-11 15:20:59	Psi-Jack	octopus: Do you have flatpak-xdg-utils installed?
2022-10-11 15:21:34	octopus	I do
2022-10-11 15:21:41	octopus	but I think it works from inside flatpak to outside
2022-10-11 15:21:53	octopus	so it is for flatpak apps to interact with my system
2022-10-11 15:22:11	octopus	like flatpak firefox calling pacmans qbittorrent
2022-10-11 15:22:15	Psi-Jack	Ahh that might be correct, yes.
2022-10-11 15:25:25	Psi-Jack	Huh.. I didn't know betterbird was in flatpak. Might should move that over. 🙂
2022-10-11 15:25:58	heythere221	Hey is there a way to disable dolphin grouping files by "Today, yesterday etc" I want to sort them by date just don't want this grouping.
2022-10-11 15:27:36	heythere221	nvm found a way to disable that. Thx!
2022-10-11 15:27:56	susi	np
2022-10-11 15:29:18	Psi-Jack	heh
2022-10-11 15:47:58	Feuermagier	Can you guys recommend me a virtual machine management/host program?
2022-10-11 15:48:29	jelle	Feuermagier: libvirt and then use any frontend
2022-10-11 15:49:39	Gagis	virt-manager for one is fine
2022-10-11 15:49:45	bluetail	my usb sound card keeps getting not recognized by pulseaudio
2022-10-11 15:49:49	Gagis	not very fancy but for many users it doesnt need to be
2022-10-11 15:49:55	bluetail	should I revert from a backup or should I try to find a resolution?
2022-10-11 15:50:11	Namarrgon	bluetail: uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2022-10-11 15:50:31	bluetail	5.19.13-arch1-1, linux 5.19.13.arch1-1
2022-10-11 15:52:41	Namarrgon	bluetail: fuser -v /dev/snd
2022-10-11 15:52:44	Namarrgon	bluetail: fuser -v /dev/snd/*
2022-10-11 15:53:31	bluetail	https://termbin.com/yh1p
2022-10-11 15:53:57	bluetail	pulseaudio -k temporarily fixes my issue, till I listen to music for a while
2022-10-11 15:54:00	Namarrgon	tree ~/.config/systemd/user
2022-10-11 15:54:15	Namarrgon	why is pulseaudio even running when you're also using pipewire?
2022-10-11 15:54:26	bluetail	0 directories, 0 files
2022-10-11 15:55:03	bluetail	I don't know. I wanted to use pulseaudio ... I forgot about pipewire
2022-10-11 15:55:07	bluetail	can I safely remove pipewire?
2022-10-11 15:55:10	bluetail	oh wait
2022-10-11 15:55:14	bluetail	s/user/def
2022-10-11 15:55:16	Namarrgon	maybe, depending on why it's installed
2022-10-11 15:55:33	bluetail	I'll try removing pipewire... 
2022-10-11 15:55:42	bluetail	oh
2022-10-11 15:55:54	bluetail	https://termbin.com/097m
2022-10-11 15:56:02	bluetail	output of sudo pacman -R pipewire
2022-10-11 15:56:14	Namarrgon	then get rid of pulseaudio
2022-10-11 15:56:30	Namarrgon	you can't use both at the same time anyway without heavy partitioning
2022-10-11 15:58:20	Scimmia	You can leave pipewire for video and pulse for audio, but for the most part, just use pipewire
2022-10-11 15:58:47	Scimmia	pulse plus wireplumber is a problem
2022-10-11 15:59:11	bluetail	So I got rid of pulseaudio, how do I playback now? I tried to play back from xmp ... Unable to initialize ALSA pcm device default: No such file or directory
2022-10-11 15:59:29	Namarrgon	install pipewire-pulse to keep all the pa stuff working
2022-10-11 16:01:08	bluetail	Audio works for now again. Will ask again if it breaks again
2022-10-11 16:01:51	bluetail	ty. 
2022-10-11 16:22:49	arch_angel	so, a while ago I asked about restricting wine applications from accessing the camera and microphone, and someone recommended this bottles
2022-10-11 16:23:06	arch_angel	now I've set everything up in bottles and I don't seem to find the "restrict access" option or anything similar
2022-10-11 16:35:51	bluetail	arch_angel I handle it differently
2022-10-11 16:36:31	bluetail	Basically, I unload all uvcvideo as a service and mute my mics unless I use a app that loads it and uses it. Upon exit I unload uvcvideo and mute the mic
2022-10-11 16:40:31	Feuermagier	I've selected the "default" virtual network "NAT" adapter in the virtual machine manager. The arch VM reports that a network adapter is up, but pings don't go through. What do I need to look into?
2022-10-11 16:45:01	arch_angel	bluetail, and how do you do that exactly?
2022-10-11 16:45:06	arch_angel	is there like a script or something
2022-10-11 16:50:35	arch_angel	yes
2022-10-11 16:51:56	arch_angel	ah, the first question, I do not remember, the second part, yes
2022-10-11 16:52:16	arch_angel	actually, I've found it
2022-10-11 16:52:19	arch_angel	it's MrElendig 
2022-10-11 16:53:12	bluetail	arch_angel inspire yourself. Usage on own responsibility. https://termbin.com/94g4l
2022-10-11 16:53:39	arch_angel	alright, this is going to take me a couple hours to digest
2022-10-11 17:06:46	Ennea	h4rd3n3d, oh? bottles is good, yea?
2022-10-11 17:25:18	dontdieych[m]	bottles and essyeffects both shiny new gtk4 app. but does not support hidpi well. shame
2022-10-11 17:30:38	gehidore	do they just end up being wrappers for wine?
2022-10-11 17:30:59	susi	if no paths or names will change, can I give grub-install --no-nvram and the system will still boot?
2022-10-11 17:31:25	susi	when upgrading from r2xx to r322
2022-10-11 17:32:48	cent	How do I find out what options where used to build a package. Particularly libopenblas64.
2022-10-11 17:33:08	astralc	check the PKGBUILD for the package
2022-10-11 17:35:11	cent	astralc, So basically I have to clone packages git repo.
2022-10-11 17:35:44	astralc	no... if it is in the repo go to the packages site and check
2022-10-11 17:35:56	cent	OK
2022-10-11 17:40:07	domino14	i feel like i haven't seen an update notification in ages. how can i check the last time my arch packages were updated?
2022-10-11 17:40:37	Namarrgon	what provides the update notifications in your case?
2022-10-11 17:41:08	domino14	KDE
2022-10-11 17:41:17	domino14	Updates - Discover
2022-10-11 17:41:31	Namarrgon	oh boy, packagekit then
2022-10-11 17:41:56	Namarrgon	try checkupdates, if that doesn't return anything then switch to a different mirror
2022-10-11 17:42:07	BrainDamage	packagekit is super broken
2022-10-11 17:42:15	domino14	:sadder_pepe:
2022-10-11 17:42:15	astralc	I also have packagekit issue, I think it is broken
2022-10-11 17:42:20	astralc	for several months
2022-10-11 17:42:54	domino14	wha should i do
2022-10-11 17:43:07	astralc	update from command line?
2022-10-11 17:43:13	domino14	sudo pacman -Syu?
2022-10-11 17:43:24	astralc	yes.... the normal way
2022-10-11 17:43:48	domino14	yay
2022-10-11 17:43:53	domino14	no pun intended
2022-10-11 17:44:30	Namarrgon	is this arch or some spin?
2022-10-11 17:45:14	domino14	it's just arch with kde
2022-10-11 17:46:20	domino14	now dr konqi dies every time i try to open Discover
2022-10-11 17:46:25	domino14	;(
2022-10-11 17:46:34	susi	got the answer to the question - did not work with --no-nvarm, would be interested to know why though
2022-10-11 17:46:51	susi	it got to the boot menu, but then instead of loading initrd, it gave some pointer range error
2022-10-11 17:47:20	domino14	OBS won't open. says my gfx card is no updated
2022-10-11 17:47:24	domino14	supported i mean
2022-10-11 17:47:26	domino14	;(
2022-10-11 17:48:51	astralc	susi: this doesn't sound nvram releated, if it load grub
2022-10-11 17:48:56	Namarrgon	susi: one usually just reruns the grub-install command with the same --bootloader-id and it will replace the old entry with the new one
2022-10-11 17:53:56	susi	astralc: yet it got fixed by reinstalling without --no-nvram
2022-10-11 17:54:05	susi	interesting stuff
2022-10-11 17:57:11	susi	maybe there's a bug when using --no-nvram!
2022-10-11 17:59:00	Namarrgon	all --no-nvram does is to not run efibootmgr
2022-10-11 17:59:46	susi	the new BootXXXX is identical to the old, so there must be something else going on, maybe unintentionally
2022-10-11 18:00:11	susi	compared with efivar -p -n ...
2022-10-11 18:04:01	susi	it gave some pointer range error, 0x.... not in range or something, after selecting the entry from menu, don't remember the exact wording
2022-10-11 18:11:40	susi	I assumed there's no need for it, when no paths or names or locations will change
2022-10-11 18:20:20	susi	I don't follow... there were two possibilities; running with same --bootloader-id as previously, or with --no-nvram, which I assumed would be equal in results
2022-10-11 18:21:01	susi	and I still think it should have worked just fine, but maybe there was and is a bug somewhere that got fired this way
2022-10-11 18:21:05	jkc	Why the paranoia about changing the existing nvram entry?
2022-10-11 18:22:06	susi	no paranoia about it :)
2022-10-11 18:22:23	jkc	Then why the effort to avoid it?
2022-10-11 18:23:14	susi	jkc: the effort of giving grub-install '--no-nvram' opt?
2022-10-11 18:23:24	susi	there's more effort in typing '--bootloader-id=GRUB0'
2022-10-11 18:24:14	susi	I did not pass --bootloader-id with --no-nvarm
2022-10-11 18:33:55	susi	as N said, "all --no-nvram does is to not run efibootmgr", and if there's no need to update those entries, why rewrite them unmodified unnecessarily
2022-10-11 18:34:12	susi	I don't get what you mean, where's the fault in this reasoning
2022-10-11 18:38:26	astralc	are you sure there are no difference in Boot* entries? same FS, same path, same executable (same arguments, if relevant)?
2022-10-11 18:39:05	susi	yes, I compared it with `efivar -p -n ...'; no diff at least in the relevant BootXXXX variable
2022-10-11 18:40:50	susi	unnecessary stuff is unnecessary
2022-10-11 18:41:34	astralc	efi vars are stored in different place
2022-10-11 18:41:38	astralc	not on the drive
2022-10-11 18:41:59	astralc	(some bios nand I think)
2022-10-11 18:42:35	susi	and touching it unnecessarily poses risks there aren't when not touching it
2022-10-11 18:42:55	astralc	the bricking issue is for very very old uefi
2022-10-11 18:43:23	astralc	I didn't hear about something like it in recent years
2022-10-11 18:48:46	susi	but this was not about any risks really, just about unnecessarity, and got some interesting results after all
2022-10-11 18:49:40	jkc	What's unnecessary is the level of needless complication you're forcing into this.
2022-10-11 18:56:17	susi	jkc: it was completely unexpected, and it kinda worked; GRUB loaded and started, but then something weird happened in/before initrd-loading stage
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2022-10-11 21:21:21	susi	found pretty nice grub theme: https://i.imgur.com/TxmqdJj.jpg
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2022-10-12 17:18:01	Frogging101	The quality varies, but I also have had mostly good AUR experiences
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2022-10-13 04:27:21	Frogging101	Miblo's method works. It is slightly bothersome that it makes a copy of the repo (this is a waste of space), but it does work
2022-10-13 04:27:40	ectospasm	That's the nature of makepkg
2022-10-13 04:28:24	ectospasm	you wouldn't want makepkg polluting your actual source tree
2022-10-13 04:28:34	Miblo	Ah, shame about the copy, but glad it works. :)
2022-10-13 04:28:45	ectospasm	Hopefully you have enough space for two copies.
2022-10-13 04:29:08	ectospasm	At least, at the end of makepkg, you can have it clean up the build directory so the wasted space is only ephemeral
2022-10-13 04:29:10	Frogging101	I never have enough space :P
2022-10-13 04:29:55	dontdieych[m]	Frogging101: paru has somkind of function? edit PKGBUILD and keep it for next update.
2022-10-13 04:30:10	dontdieych[m]	then merge that next update
2022-10-13 04:30:17	ectospasm	hard drive space is cheap, IMO.  
2022-10-13 04:31:38	dontdieych[m]	s/somkind/somrkind/
2022-10-13 04:55:45	Frogging101	15m 27s kernel compile. Is that good?
2022-10-13 05:01:14	ectospasm	That doesn't sound bad, but I honestly haven't compiled my own kernel since around 2005, when I ditched Gentoo. IIRC, it took me days, likely over a week to compile the kernel.  So 15 minutes ain't bad. (-;
2022-10-13 05:02:26	gnana	does gentto takes lot of time to compile?
2022-10-13 05:03:05	ectospasm	I don't know anymore.  It used to, on my dual-AMD Opteron system back then.  It's likely much faster now, with more memory and CPU power which is standard.
2022-10-13 05:03:42	thurstylark	maybe try asking in a gentoo channel instead of an arch channel?
2022-10-13 05:03:49	ectospasm	But still, I'd imagine some big packages still take several minutes to hours.  All that USE flag tweaking just to eke out a two percent gain in performance.
2022-10-13 05:53:21	bumblefuzz	so, my mouse shows up in lsusb
2022-10-13 05:53:29	bumblefuzz	but it doesn't control my mouse
2022-10-13 05:54:45	bumblefuzz	can anyone help me figure out why my mouse isn't working?
2022-10-13 05:55:36	SponiX	did you try turning it off, and then back on again?
2022-10-13 05:55:49	sheep	did you install xf86-input-libinput?
2022-10-13 05:58:17	bumblefuzz	yez
2022-10-13 05:58:19	bumblefuzz	still doesn't work
2022-10-13 05:58:43	bumblefuzz	here's the device ID: 1b1c:1b2e
2022-10-13 05:59:25	sheep	what do you get from pacman -Q linux and uname -r ?
2022-10-13 05:59:43	arch-angel	wait, wait wait wait, why is my .local/share wiped clean?
2022-10-13 05:59:55	arch-angel	something wiped the entire folder empty?
2022-10-13 06:00:15	bumblefuzz	5.15.71-1-lts
2022-10-13 06:00:39	sheep	1b1c:1b2e appears to be a Corsair M65, which should support the USB HID protocol
2022-10-13 06:01:01	sheep	what about pacman -Q linux-lts?
2022-10-13 06:01:48	bumblefuzz	linux-lts 5.15.72-1
2022-10-13 06:01:54	sheep	try rebooting
2022-10-13 06:02:21	sheep	you have an older kernel running that is trying to load its modules, but its modules were replaced with the new kernel's modules
2022-10-13 06:21:52	vardo	Hello. I have two partitions on one disk. I want to expand the 1st one and shrink the 2nd one. But both are bootable. Also I have another partition before those two, Windows that fucks up my boot sequence and I had to rename Windows EFI file and copy & rename GRUB one in its place. How do I do that? If I simply change the partitions size, how do I make sure they 'boot sequence' still points to
2022-10-13 06:21:52	vardo	the right partitions?
2022-10-13 06:22:54	vardo	(there would be no addition or substraction of the partitions count, just their size)
2022-10-13 06:22:57	anotherNightmare	1) Make a backup of the disk.
2022-10-13 06:25:37	ectospasm	2) shrink the filesystem of the partition you want to shrink, and copy it to a different disk altogether.  It might be easier to rebuild the shrunken filesystem
2022-10-13 06:25:50	ebonheart	vardo: is it a laptop or a desktop machine?
2022-10-13 06:27:29	ebonheart	vardo: having windows and linux on two different physical drives sidesteps a lot of the insanity of UEFI dualbooting.
2022-10-13 07:24:14	goku12	vardo: My go to solution for this is rEFInd. I just let rEFInd handle the EFI madness involving all the bootloaders. The only work is to keep rEFInd as the primary boot program. The rEFInd site has a lot of documentation on how to do that, including many weird edge cases.
2022-10-13 07:32:32	goku12	h4rd3n3d: Grub certainly can. My philosophy is to treat grub as a dedicated bootloader for a single OS/distro. The job of selecting the OS is left to a bootmanager - rEFInd in this case. This separation of concern has been a major QoL improvement for me - especially when using Btrfs subvolumes to test out different distros.
2022-10-13 08:01:13	Nomenclatura	I've never had the slightest issue managing several OS with GRUB
2022-10-13 08:01:56	ectospasm	I haven't multibooted in so long, I won't be of any help
2022-10-13 08:01:57	Nomenclatura	on EFI systems I only have GRUB in /esp and nothing else. Kernel goes to /boot as always.
2022-10-13 08:02:23	ectospasm	On my EFI systems I'm trying to move away from GRUB
2022-10-13 08:02:34	Nomenclatura	why?
2022-10-13 08:02:47	ectospasm	Just seems overly complicated for what I need.
2022-10-13 08:02:59	ectospasm	I barely use ten percent of its features.
2022-10-13 08:03:03	Nomenclatura	it weights 1M
2022-10-13 08:03:21	Nomenclatura	But sure, there is always something simpler
2022-10-13 08:03:52	ectospasm	That isn't necessarily a measure of complexity.  Bigger size does not always mean more complex.
2022-10-13 08:04:14	Nomenclatura	sure
2022-10-13 08:04:50	Nomenclatura	I've just been reading a lot of undeserved hate on GRUB. 
2022-10-13 08:05:33	ectospasm	It's not that I hate it, but it's been quite a while, and it still can't do LUKS2
2022-10-13 08:05:56	ectospasm	Or at least, couldn't the last time I looked into it
2022-10-13 08:06:03	ectospasm	Which wasn't that long ago.
2022-10-13 08:06:39	Nomenclatura	yeah it doesn't do LUKS2
2022-10-13 08:06:46	Nomenclatura	rEFIND does?
2022-10-13 08:06:55	ectospasm	I've never used rEFInd
2022-10-13 08:07:12	Nomenclatura	well what does handle luks2?
2022-10-13 08:07:16	ectospasm	I've been trying to switch to systemd-boot
2022-10-13 08:07:28	ectospasm	It's handled by the kernel/initramfs in that case.
2022-10-13 08:07:31	Nomenclatura	oh, I actually like that idea
2022-10-13 08:07:48	Nomenclatura	But then the kernel is unencrypted
2022-10-13 08:08:20	ectospasm	so is the ESP
2022-10-13 08:08:41	Nomenclatura	Not if you leave the kernel under /boot instead of /esp
2022-10-13 08:09:40	ectospasm	It is my understanding that systemd-boot doesn't have the unlock step that GRUB does.
2022-10-13 08:09:54	ectospasm	I'm just mulling this idea over right now.
2022-10-13 08:10:13	Nomenclatura	sounds interesting though, I'll look it up too
2022-10-13 08:11:47	grawity	why do you care about the kernel being encrypted though
2022-10-13 08:12:02	ectospasm	I don't think that I do.
2022-10-13 08:12:17	grawity	like, if you want grub to decrypt your kernel from /boot so that nobody can tamper with it
2022-10-13 08:12:36	grawity	guess what, you still have another un-encrypted kernel that somebody can tamper with -- it's called "grub"
2022-10-13 08:17:01	Nomenclatura	h4rd3n3d: interesting... last time I checked was still not possible. Thank you
2022-10-13 08:29:39	ville	is there any discussion available what's the reason clang15 hasn't been packaged yet?
2022-10-13 08:30:40	Nomenclatura	ville: maybe try here: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/clang/
2022-10-13 08:30:42	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - clang 14.0.6-3 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-10-13 08:31:32	ville	Nomenclatura: yeah i did check that it has been flagged out-of-date for while, but not sure what else i can do with that page
2022-10-13 08:32:08	jelle	ville: we're waiting on something
2022-10-13 08:32:39	ville	jelle: alright. is the something a secret?
2022-10-13 08:32:54	jelle	ville: no, I forgot what foutrelis reasoning was
2022-10-13 08:33:00	ville	heh ok
2022-10-13 08:33:06	Nomenclatura	Send 1000 bucks to Evangelos Foutras maybe?
2022-10-13 08:33:25	jelle	ville: but remember that llvm is usually a pain in the ass as not all projects like zig are compatible
2022-10-13 08:33:28	Nomenclatura	Hey Evangelos, I think you've just dropped something
2022-10-13 08:34:47	Nomenclatura	You could try tinkering with the PKGBUILD and see if you can update it. Then maybe try it and see how it goes
2022-10-13 08:36:51	ville	jelle: thanks
2022-10-13 08:38:15	ville	jelle: is there a mailing list archive available or?
2022-10-13 08:45:21	PMunch	I have a super weird issue. When my laptop is connected to my docking station it will output ^@ characters on the log-in prompt (regular TTY login prompt)
2022-10-13 08:46:00	PMunch	It only happens after I've typed my name and hit enter once. But after that it prints two of them with a second or two between them, then another group after maybe 5 seconds
2022-10-13 08:46:20	sunyibo	I got a brother DCP-6690CW scanner/printer. I can't find any drivers on CUPS for arch. Any help?
2022-10-13 08:46:38	jelle	ville: I'd have to ask foutrelis
2022-10-13 08:46:51	PMunch	Currently I just type my username wait for two of those characters to show up, and then erease them and quickly type my password before the next group
2022-10-13 08:57:51	grawity	^@ (NUL) is what gets input in the console when some unknown "key" is pressed
2022-10-13 08:58:04	grawity	try evemu-record to see what might be triggering it
2022-10-13 08:58:31	unknown	sometimes i wish people were actually talking to me
2022-10-13 09:01:42	foutrelis	ville: the delay is about maximizing the benefit to effort ratio, with effort being upstream software that takes some time to support new llvm versions + ~11 packages which need a rebuild for every minor clang bump, so might as well wait for the last patch release first ("15.0.3 is most likely going to be the last one" -- https://discourse.llvm.org/t/llvm-15-0-2-released/65695)
2022-10-13 09:01:47	Ennea	that doesn't seem like an issue related to arch, unknown :p
2022-10-13 09:01:56	bug2000	unknown, I think you'll need social help for that and not archlinux.
2022-10-13 09:02:39	unknown	yall missed the point
2022-10-13 09:02:47	unknown	every time someone says unknown it highlights me
2022-10-13 09:02:55	unknown	im not complaining really, thats the fate i chose by having this name
2022-10-13 09:03:15	foutrelis	unknown: switch to unkn0wn
2022-10-13 09:03:21	bug2000	unknown, If it makes you feel better, I avoid my alt nick on libera, because people highlight me with bugs all the time.
2022-10-13 09:04:02	unknown	ya i should probably do that
2022-10-13 09:04:09	unknown	i forgot u can have multiple nicks
2022-10-13 09:05:16	bug2000	That was stupid. What was my error message and did the unknown reply to me.
2022-10-13 09:05:38	unknown	i said i should probably take your advice
2022-10-13 09:06:04	bug2000	And what was my quit message? I just tried to open the discourse llvm link and hexchat crashed.
2022-10-13 09:06:17	unknown	Remote host closed the connection
2022-10-13 09:10:54	ville	foutrelis: alright. fair enough. right now clangd from 13 and 14 have been very unstable for c++ development. constant crashes
2022-10-13 09:11:52	bug2000	llvm15 breaks so many things with the opaque pointers and new passes.
2022-10-13 09:12:41	foutrelis	how bad can it be 🥲
2022-10-13 09:15:58	grawity	no, if it asks you for the keyslot then it *does* decrypt stuff
2022-10-13 09:16:02	grawity	otherwise it wouldn't ask
2022-10-13 09:16:11	grawity	it'd just boot the kernel and let initramfs do all the asking
2022-10-13 09:50:53	grawity	but that literally means GRUB is decrypting something, specifically the contents of /boot
2022-10-13 09:51:16	grawity	sure, the kernel has to do it *again* when it starts
2022-10-13 09:51:34	grawity	but GRUB has to do it regardless, so that it could load the kernel
2022-10-13 09:53:17	cent	I updated /etc/cgrules.conf, /etc/cgroups.d/my.conf, checked using cgconfigparser = no troubles.
2022-10-13 09:53:34	cent	Now what? Do have to reboot my box for changes to take effect?
2022-10-13 09:55:00	grawity	I'm not sure if all that is compatible with a systemd-based distro
2022-10-13 10:08:59	glitsj16	cent: aren't those part of libcgroup{,-git} from the AUR?
2022-10-13 10:13:12	nickb	Hello. Sometimes after returning from hibernation my touchpad doesn't work properly: the sensitivity is way off (too high), none of the configured gestures don't work and the "palm detection" is not functioning. Proper reboot usually solves this.  I'm wondering if there is a way to restart libinput or something else I could do to solve it?
2022-10-13 10:15:11	Nomenclatura	nickb: depends how the touchpad is handled. In some systems you have to tinker with the acpi at the efi level. What laptop is it?
2022-10-13 10:15:46	nickb	framework
2022-10-13 10:15:49	grawity	on some laptops the i2c touchpad driver doesn't properly wake up and the touchpad only gets detected as a ps/2 device
2022-10-13 10:16:04	grawity	I've seen people rmmod/reinsert the i2c-related modules on resume to work around that
2022-10-13 10:16:30	Nomenclatura	it depends on the model
2022-10-13 10:16:36	Nomenclatura	no silver bullet
2022-10-13 10:16:38	nickb	sounds like what I need. Any instructions on that? I'm fairly clueless about those depths 
2022-10-13 10:16:51	nickb	hm. Let me see what I can find
2022-10-13 10:16:59	grawity	I mean, best would be to ask in the linux-input@ mailing list, otherwise it's never going to get fixed
2022-10-13 10:17:07	grawity	but search for system-sleep hooks modprobe
2022-10-13 10:17:26	nickb	but the touchpad is indeed detected as a Generic Explorer Mouse
2022-10-13 10:17:28	grawity	I don't know which modules exactly (haven't had to do this for many years)
2022-10-13 10:18:10	Nomenclatura	or you could tell us the model and maybe we can give you more specific info xD
2022-10-13 10:18:27	nickb	Model of what exactly? The touchpad?
2022-10-13 10:18:33	Nomenclatura	laptop
2022-10-13 10:18:38	grawity	but basically, on most new laptops (if they even do ps/2 at all), the touchpad first shows up on ps/2 so that you could do some basic mousing, and then it's switched over to communications over i2c for the full feature set
2022-10-13 10:19:40	nickb	Nomenclatura: It's a bit tricky to do. Can you say what exactly you want to know, because there isn't such thing as "model" as far as I'm aware
2022-10-13 10:20:11	grawity	nickb: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Framework_Laptop#Touchpad
2022-10-13 10:20:12	phrik	Title: Framework Laptop - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-13 10:21:00	nickb	heh, it was that easy
2022-10-13 10:21:04	Nomenclatura	lenovo 7246
2022-10-13 10:21:21	Nomenclatura	hp envy 24
2022-10-13 10:21:23	nickb	grawity: thanks, I'll try that then
2022-10-13 10:22:00	nickb	Nomenclatura: that's not a thing for Frameworks afaik. The best I could do would be to tell you which mobo I have, but I doubt that'd help
2022-10-13 10:22:09	⚡ 	nickb reboots
2022-10-13 10:22:20	⚡ 	Nomenclatura wonders
2022-10-13 10:24:37	nickb	Nomenclatura: hm?
2022-10-13 10:30:58	Nomenclatura	you said 'framework'. I don't know there was a laptop names 'frameowrk'
2022-10-13 10:31:11	Nomenclatura	I was like: maaaan, why so secretive?
2022-10-13 10:31:43	Nomenclatura	grawit y got you the right link.
2022-10-13 10:32:56	Ennea	heh. i can see how that might be confusing
2022-10-13 10:33:18	nickb	fwiw, here are the specs https://downloads.frame.work/manuals/Safety-and-Compliance-manual.pdf and mine seems to be the FRANBP0000
2022-10-13 10:33:47	nickb	But the problem is that most parts are replaceable so you don't really have "a model". It is really just a framework
2022-10-13 10:37:13	nickb	grawity: thanks again. I think this should resolve it indeed. That is also a fairly recent addition to the wiki, which is why I didn't see it :-)
2022-10-13 10:41:14	PMunch	grawity, sorry I had to attend to something. The problem is that the behaviour stops as soon as I log in. Or I guess maybe my shell just ignores the unknown keys
2022-10-13 10:41:56	grawity	your shell uses readline to process input, the login prompt just reads raw from the tty
2022-10-13 10:42:38	Velizar	Anyone has problems with using Ansible on Arch Linux? Specifically something around ssh / scp / some unspecified file not being found? It might not be a problem specific to Arch Linux, however I'm just verifying here.
2022-10-13 10:43:04	wunit	arch on the controller or the managed node?
2022-10-13 10:43:10	grawity	some unspecified error message?
2022-10-13 10:44:07	thisconnect	Velizar, I had no problems as control node
2022-10-13 10:45:04	Nomenclatura	Velizar: try the ssh connection with -vvv and see if there's an error. Sounds like configuration issue
2022-10-13 10:45:31	Nomenclatura	unspecific errors will gt you unespecific solutions
2022-10-13 10:46:59	Velizar	thanks, will try that
2022-10-13 10:48:23	PMunch	grawity, hmm I can't see any device which sent unknown key events with evemu-record
2022-10-13 10:48:29	PMunch	Granted I didn't try all of them
2022-10-13 10:48:39	PMunch	Maybe I'll have a look the next time I log on
2022-10-13 11:49:48	yawkat	im running `perf script`, but many frames are something like `ffffffff8310244d [unknown] ([kernel.kallsyms])`. how can i fix this?
2022-10-13 11:50:48	thisconnect	yawkat, user program cant see symbols in kernel
2022-10-13 11:52:19	yawkat	ahh i thought it just needed root for the recording! thanks, sudo fixed it :)
2022-10-13 12:02:34	grtcdr	If I set up a VPN server within a virtual machine, and use it as a tunnel when in a public network setting, can I still benefit off of the security improvements this tunneled connection can bring? Mind you the virtual machine lives within the host machine, i.e. they're both on the same insecure network.
2022-10-13 12:03:38	grtcdr	Would giving up NAT and using a bridged connection solve this?
2022-10-13 12:04:15	thisconnect	grtcdr, unencrypted traffic is protected from the os using it to the VPN server.
2022-10-13 12:04:43	grtcdr	What about a bridged connection?
2022-10-13 12:04:57	thisconnect	unless there is specific security need i wouldnt bother adding it to VM and just share the VPN from hypervisor
2022-10-13 12:05:21	grtcdr	I just don't trust my university's network
2022-10-13 12:05:46	thisconnect	bridged connection is logically just VM connected to physical network
2022-10-13 12:06:07	grtcdr	So that would be my tunnel?
2022-10-13 12:06:12	thisconnect	so in that case you would need a VPN on the VM
2022-10-13 12:06:59	grtcdr	And does that make sense? I'm happy to set it up, I just want to know if I'd actually gain any benefits.
2022-10-13 12:07:31	thisconnect	i mean unless there is performance issue i wouldnt use bridge on VM
2022-10-13 12:08:54	grtcdr	But opting for NAT, if I understand everything correctly, means the unecrypted packets would reach my host, and only become encrypted between my host and the VM, defeating the purpose of the security that a VPN may bring.
2022-10-13 12:11:11	thisconnect	if you are using NAT it will use your host machine networking(so if you have VPN on your physical hardware it will use it), unless there are regulatory reasons
2022-10-13 12:12:09	grtcdr	I see, thanks a lot bud!
2022-10-13 12:13:12	thisconnect	well depends on configuration, im not sure what vpn you use
2022-10-13 12:13:57	thisconnect	but i **think** your VM should route it through VPN
2022-10-13 12:14:29	thisconnect	YMMV with different hypervisors (probably not) and different VPN solutions (routing is hard)
2022-10-13 12:14:33	grtcdr	I'm setting up my own VPN, so I'm opting for OpenVPN
2022-10-13 12:14:51	grtcdr	"routing is hard", yeah my head is starting to hurt..
2022-10-13 12:15:03	grtcdr	I'm using KVM (with libvirt)
2022-10-13 12:15:44	thisconnect	libvirt nat should just use the VPN route in that configuration
2022-10-13 12:15:48	grtcdr	If I were to describe my use case it would be as follows: start virtual machine (with the VPN installed on it), join uni's public network, profit.
2022-10-13 12:15:56	grtcdr	thisconnect: I see!
2022-10-13 12:16:41	grtcdr	I missed a part: connect to the VPN installed on that VM to access the public wifi.
2022-10-13 12:17:24	thisconnect	you can use a VPN inside virtual machine, it will just act like normal VPN
2022-10-13 12:17:40	grtcdr	But does it make sense to use a vpn within the same network?
2022-10-13 12:17:56	thisconnect	you mean server within same network?
2022-10-13 12:18:28	grtcdr	That's right, yeah.
2022-10-13 12:18:48	thisconnect	well it exists at your server location
2022-10-13 12:19:16	thisconnect	in general VPN as security for outside world connection doesnt matter nowadays
2022-10-13 12:19:48	thisconnect	since everything is encrypted you dont actually get any security benefits from VPN to connect to internet
2022-10-13 12:20:34	thisconnect	and if you are sending unencrypted traffic it will go on the wide internet at some point so why bother?
2022-10-13 12:20:34	grtcdr	I'm not worried about outside networks, I'm just worried about the low security measures of the public network I'm in.
2022-10-13 12:21:26	thisconnect	your traffic on the internet will go through unsecure networks
2022-10-13 12:21:38	grtcdr	Yeah, that's true.
2022-10-13 12:21:49	thisconnect	internet is as unsecure as mcdonalds wifi
2022-10-13 12:22:26	thisconnect	VPN security only matters when you are accesing internal network with it, since then its edge-to-edge
2022-10-13 12:22:47	grtcdr	Gotcha :)
2022-10-13 12:23:00	thisconnect	you could for example use a VPN to connect lets say server in your own room, from phone in library
2022-10-13 12:23:00	grtcdr	thisconnect: (from the outside)
2022-10-13 12:26:06	grtcdr	Well, thanks for the help!
2022-10-13 12:29:53	octopus	Heya
2022-10-13 12:30:33	octopus	Is it possible to build some kind of prority queue for bandwidth sharing between different programs?
2022-10-13 12:31:00	octopus	So that some porgrams are given more priority than others?
2022-10-13 12:31:06	Mystified1234	Hi Guys looking for email client with a good grammar tool , what can you guy's suggest ?
2022-10-13 12:31:13	octopus	mutt?
2022-10-13 12:31:17	Ennea	Mystified1234, thunderbird
2022-10-13 12:31:28	Ennea	😋
2022-10-13 12:31:41	grtcdr	Mystified1234: Can I recommend Emacs?
2022-10-13 12:31:51	Strykar	Mystified1234: Mailspring, though any spell checking is going to be provided by a the aspell package
2022-10-13 12:32:12	octopus	grtcdr: they did not ask for a os
2022-10-13 12:32:14	⚡ 	octopus hides
2022-10-13 12:32:32	octopus	:D
2022-10-13 12:32:35	Mystified1234	tried mailspring, the spell/language failed to work. Just now finished installing thunderbird
2022-10-13 12:32:37	grtcdr	octopus: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/6/html/resource_management_guide/sec-prioritizing_network_traffic
2022-10-13 12:32:39	phrik	Title: 4.2. Prioritizing Network Traffic Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 | Red Hat Customer PortalRed Hat Customer Portal - Access to 24x7 support and knowledge (at access.redhat.com)
2022-10-13 12:32:55	grtcdr	Is net_prio of any help?
2022-10-13 12:33:40	grtcdr	octopus: you don't have to hide, not all emacsers wield pitchforks :)
2022-10-13 12:34:36	grtcdr	The reason I recommend Emacs is because hey could very well use it as an email client (mu4e and mbsync) with spellchecking capabilities (spell-fu and ispell)
2022-10-13 12:35:08	octopus	I understand, I am trying to move to evil mode myself
2022-10-13 12:35:13	octopus	But there is so much to do
2022-10-13 12:35:33	octopus	I am reading net_prio now
2022-10-13 12:35:50	Strykar	Mystified1234: Mailspring works just fine, did you install it from the aur? See https://community.getmailspring.com/t/setting-the-spell-check-language/200
2022-10-13 12:35:53	phrik	Title: Setting the Spell Check Language - Help - Mailspring Community (at community.getmailspring.com)
2022-10-13 12:36:12	grtcdr	octopus: There's also trickle, which self-describes as 'Lightweight userspace bandwidth shaper'
2022-10-13 12:36:38	grtcdr	It's available on the AUR, I'm not saying you should using, I'm just helping you with the research :)
2022-10-13 12:37:28	Mystified1234	I'll try re-installing 
2022-10-13 12:37:44	grtcdr	octopus: Doom Emacs has a pretty evil-mode setup, I don't personally use it, but I still think it's a great framework!
2022-10-13 12:38:05	grtcdr	s/pretty/pretty nice/
2022-10-13 12:39:16	grtcdr	Relevant technical document for trickle: https://www.usenix.org/legacy/event/usenix05/tech/freenix/full_papers/eriksen/eriksen.pdf
2022-10-13 12:40:22	octopus	hmmm
2022-10-13 12:41:30	grtcdr	It looks like the right tool, but you might have to install it to determine whether it works the way you expect or not.
2022-10-13 12:43:59	cent	Is there a way to set the directory mode in cgconfig.conf so that I could get 0755 for the group directory instead of the default umask (set by mu customer)
2022-10-13 12:48:01	grtcdr	octopus: Also look into cgroups: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Cgroups#With_systemd_2
2022-10-13 12:48:02	phrik	Title: cgroups - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-13 12:50:20	grtcdr	Although it doesn't look like it can limit your network usage
2022-10-13 12:54:07	grtcdr	Actually it looks like you can, net_prio is a subsystem of cgroups :)
2022-10-13 12:55:06	gromit	!paste
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2022-10-13 12:56:32	gromit	How does one go about longer logs etc. on the Arch Forums? 
2022-10-13 12:57:10	grtcdr	Yeah, I'd love to know this too, I suck at reading and extracting helpful information from large log files
2022-10-13 12:58:09	Namarrgon	gist has a more generous limit as does paste.rs
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2022-10-13 12:58:58	octopus	trickle seem to have no effect on qbittorrent
2022-10-13 12:59:17	J_Darnley	Is there a tool like pidof that will find *all* the IDs of *all* the threads of a program?
2022-10-13 12:59:22	J_Darnley	Specifically firefox
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2022-10-13 13:00:36	Ennea	doesn't pidof already do that?
2022-10-13 13:00:43	Ennea	certainly seems to be doing it for me
2022-10-13 13:01:00	J_Darnley	Not all of them
2022-10-13 13:04:14	J_Darnley	For example I have 3436 which is a firefox thread but not liosted by pidof
2022-10-13 13:04:14	J_Darnley	a short 3 line paste ...
2022-10-13 13:04:14	J_Darnley	$ ls -l /proc/3436/exe && pidof firefox | grep 3436 || echo nothing
2022-10-13 13:04:14	J_Darnley	lrwxrwxrwx 1 james james 0 Oct 13 12:57 /proc/3436/exe -> /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
2022-10-13 13:04:14	Ennea	"pidof firefox" returns 29 process ids for me right now. a quick look at htop.. looks like that's all of them
2022-10-13 13:04:14	J_Darnley	nothing
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2022-10-13 13:04:55	Strykar	pidof firefox|wc -w
2022-10-13 13:04:56	octopus	it does seem to work on wget
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2022-10-13 13:05:40	grtcdr	octopus: well qbittorrent already lets you limit bandwidth on whatever files you're installing
2022-10-13 13:06:05	octopus	i was just testing
2022-10-13 13:06:07	grtcdr	octopus: that's great, i've seen reports of it not working for wget and curl
2022-10-13 13:06:10	J_Darnley	Strykar: 58 but htop and btop both say 301 threads
2022-10-13 13:06:26	grtcdr	octopus: I'll still recommend you try cgroups before you anything, since it's baked into the kernel
2022-10-13 13:06:37	grtcdr	s/before you/before/
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2022-10-13 13:08:56	Ennea	J_Darnley, oh, right, threads. sorry, i missed that part of your question
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2022-10-13 13:09:13	adigitoleo	hi, I have a local web server (RSS aggregator) running on an Arch machine and I can see it in the browser on localhost, but I can't see it on my other machine on the same network when I navigate to "http://<ip_of_Arch_machine>:<port>". Does it mean my firewall (ufw) is blocking it? I have a rule allowing from the local network, but maybe it's not enough
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2022-10-13 13:10:08	adigitoleo	I remember that it worked some time ago when I first messed around with it
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2022-10-13 13:11:04	J_Darnley	what is interface or ip the server listening on?
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2022-10-13 15:31:44	jelle	needs more context :)
2022-10-13 15:32:07	octopus	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Advanced_traffic_control#Queuing
2022-10-13 15:32:09	phrik	Title: Advanced traffic control - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-13 15:32:19	octopus	'tc qdisc del root dev eth0'
2022-10-13 15:32:24	octopus	is this persistent
2022-10-13 15:32:46	octopus	or is the qdiscs rebuilt on every boot
2022-10-13 15:41:43	amosbird	Is there any tool that can show a transparent floating sticky capslock icon (400x400 at some given pos) when CAPS on?
2022-10-13 15:47:15	MacGyver	Sounds like something some of those useless system information monitors could do.
2022-10-13 15:47:21	MacGyver	God what's its name again.
2022-10-13 15:47:55	MacGyver	It has one of those cutesy names iirc.
2022-10-13 15:48:24	MacGyver	Conky!
2022-10-13 15:48:29	dD__	Hi!  I have a 32GB root partition, but it's completely full now.  Since my disk is encrypted it's a little bit complicated to increase its size.  Is there any way to remove installations from my root partition in order to recuperate space? 
2022-10-13 15:48:59	grawity	yes but that'll be rather more complicated than resizing a luks partition
2022-10-13 15:49:14	MacGyver	dD__: Increasing the size of an encrypted disk is not complicated at all.
2022-10-13 15:49:16	dD__	oh :( 
2022-10-13 15:49:35	MacGyver	In fact, the "encrypted" part is pretty much the only thing that *doesn't* complicate things.
2022-10-13 15:49:44	grawity	is the whole disk encrypted or the individual partitions?
2022-10-13 15:49:50	dD__	It's not? I have memorie s of resizing all of my partitions some time ago and having a lot of problems with it 
2022-10-13 15:49:54	grawity	are you using LVM or basic partitions?
2022-10-13 15:50:05	dD__	both root and home areencrypted, I think my boot partition isn't encrypted
2022-10-13 15:50:10	MacGyver	^ grawity's questions is what I want answered as well.
2022-10-13 15:50:40	MacGyver	Resizing a LUKS volume is simply "Close volume. Increase size of volume. Open volume."
2022-10-13 15:50:58	grawity	if you don't have space for expansion, shrinking an encrypted /home might be more difficult than the actual expansion of /
2022-10-13 15:51:06	MacGyver	(Decreasing size is similar but comes with the usual issues of shrinking)
2022-10-13 15:51:07	grawity	not sure if GParted has any special sauce for that
2022-10-13 15:51:32	MacGyver	So, what're you using?
2022-10-13 15:51:39	grawity	(and, tbh, I wish there was a fdisk subcommand to change the 'end' position of a partition easily)
2022-10-13 15:51:40	dD__	lvm 
2022-10-13 15:51:48	dD__	lvm with luks 
2022-10-13 15:51:56	MacGyver	LVM *on* LUKS or LUKS *on* LVM?
2022-10-13 15:52:22	MacGyver	Basically, do you LUKS-encrypt each individual logical volume after opening, or is the LVM *physical* volume LUKS-encrypted?
2022-10-13 15:52:36	grawity	can you show the lsblk and lsblk -f? and uh, pvs/lvs/vgs or whatever those LVM commands were
2022-10-13 15:52:47	dD__	sure 
2022-10-13 15:53:06	dD__	I don't think I can do a -df
2022-10-13 15:53:09	dD__	-f* 
2022-10-13 15:53:21	grawity	lsblk -o +fstype then
2022-10-13 15:53:26	dD__	!paste
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2022-10-13 15:54:46	dD__	https://paste.rs/dkQ.sh
2022-10-13 15:55:50	dD__	https://bpa.st/G3IQ
2022-10-13 15:55:51	phrik	Title: View paste G3IQ (at bpa.st)
2022-10-13 15:56:15	MacGyver	And the output of `pvs`?
2022-10-13 15:56:46	dD__	https://paste.rs/LFz.sh
2022-10-13 15:56:53	grawity	ok, so 32GB ext4 LV on a 852GB lvm array on luks
2022-10-13 15:57:08	grawity	I think you can just do some lvresize magic on the fly to grow it
2022-10-13 15:57:11	MacGyver	Yep, you did the straighforward and, unfortunately, dumb-in-retrospect thing when you installed the system.
2022-10-13 15:57:27	MacGyver	You hit this once in your life with LVM and then never again :P
2022-10-13 15:57:39	MacGyver	NEVER allocate all LVM space up-front.
2022-10-13 15:57:55	MacGyver	Because now you have to either increase the PV size or shrink the /home LV.
2022-10-13 15:58:23	dD__	MacGyver: so next time should i leave some LVM space without assigning?
2022-10-13 15:58:24	MacGyver	Basically, the one benefit LVM really gives you is precluded if you don't leave free space in the PV.
2022-10-13 15:58:28	MacGyver	Exactly.
2022-10-13 15:58:41	MacGyver	How much of /home is in use?
2022-10-13 15:58:43	dD__	I remember this seemed like a great idea at the time :P
2022-10-13 15:58:52	dD__	MacGyver: about 95% but I can clean it out easily 
2022-10-13 16:01:00	MacGyver	You'll want to clean some of it out, then resize the FS on it, then resize the LV.
2022-10-13 16:01:06	MacGyver	Per the steps on https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/LVM#Resizing_the_logical_volume_and_file_system_separately
2022-10-13 16:01:07	phrik	Title: LVM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-13 16:01:28	MacGyver	Fortunately the fact it's encrypted is completely irrelevant, since the encryption is *below* the LVM layer.
2022-10-13 16:03:43	MacGyver	Use sasl, they said. You'll never have channel-join-login-race-conditions again, they said.
2022-10-13 16:03:51	MacGyver	Aaaanyway.
2022-10-13 16:14:44	MacGyver	Okay I'm just gonna put this here in case they're already back but under a different nick, or they come back while I'm gone.
2022-10-13 16:14:53	MacGyver	dD__: You'll want to clean some of it out, then resize the FS on it, then resize the LV, per the steps on <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/LVM#Resizing_the_logical_volume_and_file_system_separately>. Fortunately the fact it's encrypted is completely irrelevant, since the encryption is *below* the LVM layer.
2022-10-13 16:14:54	phrik	Title: LVM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-13 16:15:11	MacGyver	Can't be sure they saw that before zinc went down.
2022-10-13 16:52:26	MacGyver	So I've been wondering something for the past half hour: When you get into an OOM state, this is presumably always because a process starts trying to use previously allocated memory pages that it wasn't using. Why is it not possible to configure the system to always kill off *that* process?
2022-10-13 16:53:01	MacGyver	cdown: ^ maybe you have a straightforward answer to that?
2022-10-13 16:54:15	cdown	It's usually not that simple. It's like what Red Bull recently said about the F1 overspend: they claim they spent 1 million on catering, so the overspend is only that. But did they then spend 1 million elsewhere that they otherwise would not have been allowed to spend?
2022-10-13 16:55:10	cdown	Memory is always at some kind of equilibrium where you're trying to use as much as possible of it for caches and other nice to haves. If somebody allocates and the system is having a terrible time, is it because that application is causing it, or is it because somebody is sitting hogging 20G of memory? It's hard to say for the kernel, because it doesn't know what your expected state of the
2022-10-13 16:55:10	cdown	system is
2022-10-13 16:55:39	cdown	That's why we invented things like cgroups to tell the system what you actually consider to be a nominal state for the system, and enforce that more strictly, and things like oomd which can also consume those hierarchies to make OOM decisions
2022-10-13 16:59:17	MacGyver	cdown: Hmm, I guess you'd easily get into a degenerate case where all processes *but* the hogging one would be killed off.
2022-10-13 17:00:46	MacGyver	I mean I'm totally on board with using cgroups and other limiting solutions for this, it just struck me as odd that the OOM score computation is so complex but in the descriptions I can find *which* process is faulting doesn't factor into it.
2022-10-13 17:00:50	cdown	yeah exactly. i go somewhat into this in my talk at srecon a few years ago: if you're running a web server as the primary purpose of the machine and suddenly something like logind blows up memory, the oom killer will almost certainly just kill the web server, because it's still the biggest thing on the machine
2022-10-13 17:00:53	MacGyver	But I guess it makes sense.
2022-10-13 17:01:09	MacGyver	Oh I'll look that up.
2022-10-13 17:01:26	cdown	https://chrisdown.name/2019/07/18/linux-memory-management-at-scale.html
2022-10-13 17:01:26	cdown	this one
2022-10-13 17:01:35	cdown	i think it's the timestamp of "18:59: The OOM killer is often not your friend in an OOM situation, and probably doesn't work in the way you expect"
2022-10-13 17:02:09	MacGyver	Probably gonna end up watching the entire thing.
2022-10-13 17:02:43	MacGyver	Thanks! :)
2022-10-13 17:02:57	cdown	no problem!
2022-10-13 17:03:06	cdown	always happy to discuss memory. it beats trying to fix it.
2022-10-13 17:03:12	MacGyver	:')
2022-10-13 17:03:28	Ennea	:D
2022-10-13 17:03:39	MacGyver	The easiest fix I've found is to get a well-paying job so you can buy more :P
2022-10-13 17:03:55	MacGyver	But then I don't work in kernel development :P
2022-10-13 17:04:01	MacGyver	!grab cdown
2022-10-13 17:04:01	phrik	MacGyver: Tada!
2022-10-13 17:04:44	cdown	hah, problem is when you have >1 million servers (and i mean a lot more than that), then you can't just shove in more ram
2022-10-13 17:05:09	cdown	power constraints, production constraints, cost, etc.
2022-10-13 17:05:18	cdown	so you gotta make the best of what you got
2022-10-13 17:06:13	MacGyver	Get a better-paying job so you can pay for the power plants and grid infrastructure as well!
2022-10-13 17:06:50	cdown	it's even harder, since we require green energy for dcs
2022-10-13 17:07:03	cdown	u
2022-10-13 17:07:17	cdown	s/u/i am very glad i don't have to do that job :-)/
2022-10-13 17:07:18	Ennea	since i've switched to linux from windows relatively recently, i'm kinda curious: what's the opinion/consensus on windows' memory management, compared to that of linux?
2022-10-13 17:07:38	cdown	windows memory management has its flaws just like us, in general it's a lot simpler
2022-10-13 17:07:55	cdown	they do demand paging, but not overcommit
2022-10-13 17:08:15	cdown	works nicely for simple applications, but doesn't scale very well.
2022-10-13 17:08:28	J_Darnley	I think Windows has the equivalent of growing swapfiles on all disks
2022-10-13 17:08:35	cdown	our one works alright for simple applications, scales well, but is an absolute shitshow at the edge cases
2022-10-13 17:09:31	MacGyver	Heheh.
2022-10-13 17:09:40	cdown	the thing which microsoft (and a lot of large, old corporations) have which is nice is a group of people to decide on what they want to be opinionated about. their memory management is consistently optimised in one single direction
2022-10-13 17:09:58	cdown	everything else can bugger off, they know the target market and just aim to please those. and yes, it's a good experience there.
2022-10-13 17:10:11	cdown	in linux and unix, we have a mess of competing ambitions which often don't quite work
2022-10-13 17:11:17	cdown	so memory management in linux is certainly applicable for more use cases and that's one of many reasons why it's so widely used for the server use case, but this lack of opinion on the end goal means you end up with a lot of dangly parts that you're not sure why they're here, or what they should even do.
2022-10-13 17:12:11	MacGyver	And need manual intervention because the defaults don't *quite* work for you, a lot moreso than with Windows.
2022-10-13 17:12:16	cdown	yeah absolutely.
2022-10-13 17:12:25	cdown	some of our defaults are also absolutely insane in 2022.
2022-10-13 17:12:33	MacGyver	But your options *for* manual intervention are a lot more diverse.
2022-10-13 17:12:43	MacGyver	So if you can figure out *what* you need to do, at least you *can* do it.
2022-10-13 17:12:44	cdown	but once you've got them, the amount of evidence needed to change default sysctl values is very high
2022-10-13 17:12:54	MacGyver	Speaking of which.
2022-10-13 17:13:00	Ennea	cdown, thanks for the insights :)
2022-10-13 17:13:15	MacGyver	Is https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/8/4/15 still a thing and should I keep setting vm.min_free_kbytes manually?
2022-10-13 17:13:18	phrik	Title: LKML: "Artem S. Tashkinov": Let's talk about the elephant in the room - the Linux kernel's inability to gracefully handle low memory pressure (at lkml.org)
2022-10-13 17:13:28	MacGyver	I haven't tested in a while.
2022-10-13 17:13:32	cdown	you shouldn't need to tune vm.min_free_kbytes (disclaimer, didn't read artem's thing in ages)
2022-10-13 17:13:54	cdown	vm.min_free_kbytes only changes the way we handle GFP_ATOMIC pool, which is for allocations which need to happen absolutely right now or fail absolutely right now
2022-10-13 17:14:16	cdown	if you want to prevent pressure leading to OOM, the real tunable you want is vm.watermark_*
2022-10-13 17:14:26	cdown	it almost always should not be necessary, but it unfortunately occasionally is
2022-10-13 17:14:31	MacGyver	That's interesting, because it definitely solved the degenerate case I ran into with the system hanging for half an hour before the OOM killer actually got around to doing its job.
2022-10-13 17:14:57	cdown	oh for sure, that's true. i think the point there is oom killer is pathological anyway in concept, so we've tried to do as many things to avoid it as possible
2022-10-13 17:15:10	cdown	eg. the oomd stuff i mentioned earlier
2022-10-13 17:15:13	MacGyver	Right.
2022-10-13 17:15:46	MacGyver	I prefer not running any additional services myself, the OOM killer works fine for my personal usecase *IF* the situation doesn't hang the system.
2022-10-13 17:15:46	cdown	oom killer in general is just invoked way too late to be reliably useful, so the investment went to supplanting it
2022-10-13 17:15:54	cdown	yeah that's fair
2022-10-13 17:16:11	MacGyver	But then I'll keep setting min_free_kbytes because it doesn't sound like it'll have been solved.
2022-10-13 17:16:16	cdown	on a desktop it doesn't matter so much, the problem with servers is it gets invoked so late that if you're running a queue-based service, it's gonna be absolutely screwed afterwards
2022-10-13 17:16:41	cdown	oom killer only gets invoked way after the out of memory situation has already probably become extremely dire
2022-10-13 17:16:48	cdown	(because of reclaim retries, LRU walking, etc)
2022-10-13 17:17:00	cdown	and priority bumping, where we try to reclaim more and more expensive things
2022-10-13 17:24:01	MacGyver	Right, yeah, on that kind of system I guess you want a generous advance notification so you can start shutting down cleanly.
2022-10-13 17:24:19	MacGyver	If at all possible.
2022-10-13 18:31:31	kevr	What's a good CSV viewer?
2022-10-13 18:31:51	Psi-Jack	A... spreadsheet application?
2022-10-13 18:32:10	kevr	yeah?
2022-10-13 18:32:34	Psi-Jack	Try some. Find what you like. There's plenty.
2022-10-13 18:37:03	vitali64	kevr: scim
2022-10-13 18:37:12	vitali64	doas pacman -S scim
2022-10-13 18:37:27	Psi-Jack	doas? 🤮 
2022-10-13 18:37:31	vitali64	(Or sudo, if you're one of the many people who still use sudo.)
2022-10-13 18:37:34	vitali64	Psi-Jack: XD
2022-10-13 18:37:44	Psi-Jack	Like *most* people use sudo.
2022-10-13 18:37:51	vitali64	vitali64's doas is coming soon lol
2022-10-13 18:38:14	dav1d	The year of doas is right after the year of the desktop
2022-10-13 18:38:21	Psi-Jack	lol
2022-10-13 18:38:22	vitali64	(I'm making a coreutils. Oh, looks like this is offtopic.)
2022-10-13 18:38:35	vitali64	dav1d: XD
2022-10-13 18:38:43	⚡ 	vitali64 yays
2022-10-13 18:45:25	txtsd	Can someone help me figure out why ssh-keygen won't take my public key? When I do `ssh-keygen -Y sign -n gitea -f /path_to_your_pubkey` it says "Couldn't load public key /path_to_your_pubkey: No such file or directory"
2022-10-13 18:45:36	txtsd	Path is correctl substituted, and the file exists
2022-10-13 18:45:58	xx	Psi-Jack: what's wrong with doas?
2022-10-13 18:46:04	kevr	can you read it?
2022-10-13 18:46:34	Nomenclatura	wth is a doa?
2022-10-13 18:46:50	kevr	dead on arrival
2022-10-13 18:46:50	xx	Nomenclatura: `doas` is the command name
2022-10-13 18:46:54	kevr	oh
2022-10-13 18:47:03	Nomenclatura	aaah
2022-10-13 18:47:06	xx	it's basically sudo, but with sane config file
2022-10-13 18:47:17	phrik	Title: doas - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-13 18:56:14	txtsd	h4rd3n3d: The path I used is /tmp/pubkey
2022-10-13 18:56:23	txtsd	And that's where I generated the pubkey
2022-10-13 18:56:31	Psi-Jack	xx: It's basically, not.
2022-10-13 18:56:33	dav1d	`chmod u+s /usr/bin/pacman` all day :p
2022-10-13 19:03:53	alad	phrik: kill dav1d
2022-10-13 19:03:53	⚡ 	phrik beats dav1d with a 440BX motherboard until they slump to the ground.
2022-10-13 19:04:23	dav1d	D:
2022-10-13 19:05:58	txtsd	h4rd3n3d: It doesn't :(
2022-10-13 19:06:00	Edu4rdSHL	file /tmp/pubkey
2022-10-13 19:06:04	Edu4rdSHL	txtsd
2022-10-13 19:06:14	Edu4rdSHL	Also stat /tmp/pubkey
2022-10-13 19:07:26	txtsd	h4rd3n3d: https://bpa.st/raw/T34A
2022-10-13 19:08:13	Edu4rdSHL	What's the exact command that you are using?
2022-10-13 19:10:19	Edu4rdSHL	Yep, I saw, thanks!
2022-10-13 19:11:04	luna	got a thank email from greg kroah hartman for helping testing the Linux 6.0.1 kernel on Arch Linux :)
2022-10-13 19:11:46	txtsd	Edu4rdSHL: echo -n 'b428cdfb974a6138572079e2c40cba821bea40ea46eb35e17c04299adda2f669' | ssh-keygen -vvv -Y sign -f /tmp/pubkey -n gitea
2022-10-13 19:13:40	Edu4rdSHL	txtsd, and are you running the command with the same user that created the /tmp file?
2022-10-13 19:13:58	txtsd	Edu4rdSHL: Yes!
2022-10-13 19:14:45	Edu4rdSHL	So weird, does it works if you move the file to somewhere else like the user's home?
2022-10-13 19:15:42	txtsd	Edu4rdSHL: No it says that no matter where I place the file
2022-10-13 19:15:56	orias	hi, i have an issue with no audio on my ThinkPad T14. everything is unmuted and on 100% volume in alsamixer and pulsemixer. speaker-test -c 2 and other sources of audio look like they're working, but I can't hear anything. I have followed the audio troubleshooting article on archwiki to the best of my ability but I don't think it covered my specific failure mode. Sound last worked on monday or
2022-10-13 19:15:56	orias	tuesday or something.
2022-10-13 19:15:56	Edu4rdSHL	txtsd, type -a ssh-keygen
2022-10-13 19:16:58	luna	h4rd3n3d: :)
2022-10-13 19:16:59	Edu4rdSHL	orias, pipewire or pulseaudio? Also, which processor does that machine has?
2022-10-13 19:17:35	orias	Edu4rdSHL: pulseaudio and 4750U
2022-10-13 19:17:41	txtsd	I figured it out. My dumbass generated a gpg pubkey instead of an ssh pubkey.
2022-10-13 19:17:49	txtsd	Sorry for dragging y'all along >_>
2022-10-13 19:18:16	Edu4rdSHL	And I asked `file` for that and missed it out...
2022-10-13 19:18:23	Edu4rdSHL	> /tmp/pubkey: PGP public key block Public-Key (old)
2022-10-13 19:18:39	Edu4rdSHL	orias, which gen
2022-10-13 19:18:51	Edu4rdSHL	Nvm 
2022-10-13 19:20:06	orias	Also, I'm pretty sure it's not a physical fault because I get a loud beep when running halt -p
2022-10-13 19:20:41	orias	The only non vanilla thing about this setup is that its running 5.19.14-hardened1-1-hardened
2022-10-13 19:21:33	Edu4rdSHL	What's the output of `pactl list sinks`
2022-10-13 19:22:36	orias	Edu4rdSHL: https://dpaste.com/HXCZU39N7
2022-10-13 19:24:42	txtsd	h4rd3n3d: lmao
2022-10-13 19:26:19	Edu4rdSHL	orias, pacman -Qs pulseaudio
2022-10-13 19:27:27	orias	Edu4rdSHL: https://dpaste.com/6SQBAUX86
2022-10-13 19:30:02	ulteq	Just wanted to let you guys know that upgrading to linux 6 resulted in a failure to boot on my oldish Intel i9-7960X system.
2022-10-13 19:30:19	kevr	logs?
2022-10-13 19:30:24	kevr	or.. observations?
2022-10-13 19:30:30	ulteq	I don't have the time to dig deeper, but it halted before I was able to enter my luks password.
2022-10-13 19:30:46	ulteq	I had to chroot in and downgrade to fix it.
2022-10-13 19:34:11	bluetail	whats chroot ? I probably used it but I dont know what the term stands for...
2022-10-13 19:34:31	artefact	did you never install arch?
2022-10-13 19:34:53	bluetail	I did it tons and tons of time
2022-10-13 19:35:00	ulteq	bluetail: I actually used arch-chroot.
2022-10-13 19:35:11	bluetail	I google it... thanks
2022-10-13 19:35:46	ulteq	You need it if you want to switch from a live system into your existing system (after mounting it).
2022-10-13 19:36:28	ulteq	bluetail: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/chroot#Chrooting_into_an_existing_installation
2022-10-13 19:36:30	phrik	Title: chroot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-13 19:36:31	phrik	Title: chroot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-13 19:36:40	orias	or even man chroot
2022-10-13 19:37:15	bluetail	what it does is more helpful for me. Thanks. 
2022-10-13 19:41:59	bluetail	I should not feel sorry. Thanks for correcting me
2022-10-13 19:45:50	blomberg	he y
2022-10-13 19:45:58	blomberg	why is the ban list on this channel empty
2022-10-13 19:46:09	blomberg	ok it's not 
2022-10-13 19:46:28	kevr	that doesn't matter one way or another; stay on topic
2022-10-13 20:25:14	jb1277976	Question. i'm running qemu and the vm isn't letting me grab the mouse. the mouse is there but it only moves on a portion of the screen not the whole thing. any ideas? is there a command i can use or type?
2022-10-13 20:27:48	txtsd	When generating a new gpg key, it automatically comes with an encryption subkey. Is it okay to delete that one in favor of manually generating another encryption subkey?
2022-10-13 20:29:04	xx	txtsd: just generate it using --expert and define it yourself
2022-10-13 20:29:42	txtsd	xx: My question was whether that default one has any specific purpose or if it can be safely gotten rid of in favor of a manually generated one
2022-10-13 20:30:03	xx	no specific purpose, also no different from a manually generated one
2022-10-13 20:30:13	xx	it's just a letter after the key
2022-10-13 20:30:18	txtsd	Okay thank you!
2022-10-13 20:50:30	gloomy	hi
2022-10-13 20:50:44	gloomy	How can I find out *why* a transient systemd unit was started?
2022-10-13 20:51:15	gloomy	I'm trying to figure out why a program (barrier) starts automatically on boot despite it not being an enabled unit file, nor present in any of the autostart directories I know of
2022-10-13 20:52:48	gloomy	Only thing I can find is systemctl --user  reporting `app-barrier-adf64f4b2b4b4bd78a48bf55694c34c9.scope ` to be active and running
2022-10-13 20:56:22	dakd2	I have some kind of logitech usb wireless adapter but it appears to linux as an usb audio device
2022-10-13 20:56:33	kevr	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAR9p7MoQek
2022-10-13 20:56:40	kevr	oops, wrong chat. sorry.
2022-10-13 20:57:01	cedb	kevr escaped aot!
2022-10-13 20:57:10	dakd2	I remember I used a windoiws pair utility to pair it with it seems any kind of bluetooth speakers/headphones
2022-10-13 20:57:36	dakd2	but cant seem get it to work with linux and the pair utility cant seem to exist anymore
2022-10-13 20:57:52	dakd2	also I have a bluetooth dongle but the logitech one has better sound quality
2022-10-13 20:58:23	dakd2	the generic bluetooth dongle sounds like mono
2022-10-13 21:05:34	kevr	bt on linux
2022-10-13 21:05:36	⚡ 	kevr pukes
2022-10-13 21:06:30	Psi-Jack	Bluetooth on Linux is great now with pipewire. 😉
2022-10-13 21:06:54	⚡ 	kevr uncontrollably launches a stream of throw-up through the air
2022-10-13 21:07:26	Psi-Jack	That level of negativity is not very useful.
2022-10-13 21:08:03	⚡ 	kevr is being an edgelord
2022-10-13 21:08:24	dakd2	but the thing doesnt show up as bluetooth
2022-10-13 21:08:33	dakd2	or does the bluetooth handling on their own
2022-10-13 21:09:17	kevr	i've run into that exact issue when using my alexa echo as a bluetooth speaker
2022-10-13 21:09:24	kevr	it sounds so bad with tons of feedback
2022-10-13 21:13:18	omegatron	I wonder why so many people have trouble with BT on their linux machines ..
2022-10-13 21:14:15	kevr	there are a lot of reasons, but the primary reason i've found is that propritery drivers for particular devices exist from the windows store that sets specific latencies, and that doesn't happen as much on linux as we have much more generic drivers
2022-10-13 21:14:23	kevr	so a lot of devices require manual tweaking to get to work as intended
2022-10-13 21:14:28	kevr	but, a lot also just work out of the box
2022-10-13 21:15:13	kevr	for the longest time, my bluetooth headset had absolute terrible troubles on Linux, until they finally updated firmware to the point where it could be used out of the box
2022-10-13 21:15:37	kevr	super weird like hybrid BLE + BL mixture
2022-10-13 21:17:05	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-10-13 21:17:28	omegatron	then I consider myself lucky, as I had never issues with my BT dongle and BT headphones
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2022-10-13 21:18:26	kevr	\o/
2022-10-13 21:18:30	omegatron	it also didn't matter if I use the same hardware with linux or windows 7
2022-10-13 21:18:32	cc0a3hr	hello, how can I use xautolock? should I put to .xintrc?
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2022-10-13 21:18:53	gaku	cedb: depends, but that tends to be the basic setup
2022-10-13 21:18:58	gaku	!tabfail
2022-10-13 21:18:58	phrik	 0  days since the last tab failure. Completion safety is our union goal!
2022-10-13 21:19:18	kevr	i kinda got bored of how flakey bluetooth is, can't even put my phone down and walk into the hall without interruption
2022-10-13 21:19:58	kevr	yet the signals from my router are just reflecting off of everything and flying around here a billion times, great connection
2022-10-13 21:20:14	omegatron	no wonder, if your appartement has tungsten/magnesium walls ..
2022-10-13 21:20:20	⚡ 	kevr nods
2022-10-13 21:20:42	Ken123	Broadcom sucks really bad I just have to say that ugh what a waist of my time today ....D
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2022-10-13 21:22:33	gaku	broad communication to /dev/null
2022-10-13 21:22:49	Ken123	yes 
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2022-10-13 21:26:55	kevr	!give gaku dance | rainbow
2022-10-13 21:26:56	phrik	gaku: ^('-')^ ^('-')^ v('-')v v('-')v <('-'<) (>'-')> <('-'<) (>'-')> B A
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2022-10-13 21:30:57	omegatron	... *sigh*  google maps still hasn't WASD navigation ...  -_-
2022-10-13 21:31:26	omegatron	argn, wrong channel
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2022-10-13 22:18:50	gaku	check yer log and look for any gui thingy update
2022-10-13 22:18:50	bluetail	I touched that once and then never again
2022-10-13 22:19:01	bluetail	u can easily mess things up
2022-10-13 22:19:02	dakd2	I started doing that since I was on slackware
2022-10-13 22:19:08	gaku	bluetail: eh, its just a single do thing
2022-10-13 22:19:13	gaku	unless you want to switch fonts
2022-10-13 22:19:16	dakd2	I made the fonts look on slackware as they looked on windows xp with cleartype
2022-10-13 22:19:29	gaku	set the order and then use serif sans-serif and monospace everywhere
2022-10-13 22:19:53	gaku	too many fonts i don't care about are by default too high on priority
2022-10-13 22:20:43	dakd2	it was not just a kernel update but other packages
2022-10-13 22:21:26	gaku	dakd2: then time to test what in yer DE got changed
2022-10-13 22:21:40	gaku	or try with a baseline font settings and redo whatever yeh did
2022-10-13 22:21:52	gaku	lack of data here doesn't leave much to work with
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2022-10-13 22:53:50	DJBunny	Hello everyone, I updated my computer this morning and installed the new Linux 6.0.1 kernel using an older nvidia card (using nvidia-470xx-dkms from AUR) and dkms failed which is a known problem according to the AUR page for nvidia-470xx-dkms.
2022-10-13 22:53:53	DJBunny	Anyway, in an attempt to fix the issue I downgraded my kernel to the last version that worked and dkms did not report any issues. However now on boot I have a [FAILED] Failed to start Load Kernel Modules error. 
2022-10-13 22:53:57	DJBunny	Upon running "systemctl status systmd-modules-load.service" it list "Failed to insert module 'nvidia_uvm": invalid argument"
2022-10-13 22:54:01	DJBunny	I can provide more logs or information but I might be slow(ish) to report back, thanks for any ideas. I am at a lost of what to try next short of waiting for an update for the nvidia-470xx-dkms package in the AUR.
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2022-10-14 13:17:47	Catemiko	I can guess that issue with amd gpu drivers
2022-10-14 13:28:18	BrainDamage	Catemiko: can you give back the link from cat <(uname -a) <(pacman -Q linux) | tee /dev/stderr | curl -F 'file=@-' 'http://0x0.st'
2022-10-14 13:35:38	BrainDamage	there's no sensitive information in that link, you could've pasted publicly; ok, your kernel versions match, so you don't have a reboot to do, but since you run a custom kernel you might want to test first with a standard one if the problem remains
2022-10-14 13:38:49	Catemiko	Going to test on vanilla kernel 
2022-10-14 13:40:59	MacGyver	Foxboron: All the malformed frames are beacon frames, and the functionality it abuses is mandatory in the WiFi standards. Whether or not you're vulnerable to the P2P-device-CVE isn't *that* interesting, I think.
2022-10-14 13:41:20	MacGyver	Foxboron: There's 4 other CVEs that aren't reliant on the P2P-device being htere.
2022-10-14 13:42:36	MacGyver	Foxboron: That being said, I never use it nor do I run NM; but I do not recall seeing additional P2P-devices on my students' laptops running NM; it could be the case that it enables P2P-operation on the existing interface though.
2022-10-14 13:49:10	MacGyver	Foxboron: Ah, found it.
2022-10-14 13:49:54	MacGyver	Foxboron: You need to look at the output of `iw dev` and look for any named or unnamed interface listing "type P2P-device"
2022-10-14 13:50:04	MacGyver	Foxboron: The "
2022-10-14 13:50:10	MacGyver	Foxboron: The "or unnamed" is the crucial bit.
2022-10-14 13:51:09	BrainDamage	it's actually 2 options to enable a p2p interface
2022-10-14 13:52:21	BrainDamage	the first one would enable a p2p interface, but replace the existing one, you need to pass the 2nd option to create a virtual one too
2022-10-14 13:54:41	Catemiko	What about amd gpu sensors, any clues? 
2022-10-14 13:55:32	Ennea	no luck with the non-custom kernel?
2022-10-14 13:57:13	Catemiko	Wdym
2022-10-14 13:58:01	Namarrgon	you said you were going to test with a vanilla kernel
2022-10-14 13:58:47	Catemiko	Yep, still having that issue
2022-10-14 13:58:59	Catemiko	I guess thats not platform related
2022-10-14 13:59:09	Catemiko	Because i had it on Windows with newest amd drivers
2022-10-14 13:59:24	Namarrgon	if they aren't available on windows either then this is more likely a hardware or firmware issue
2022-10-14 14:02:25	Catemiko	So what should i do
2022-10-14 14:02:51	Catemiko	I would like too see my gputemp, vmem, gpufreq
2022-10-14 14:02:54	Catemiko	:(
2022-10-14 14:03:18	Namarrgon	was the mainboard firmware updated recently?
2022-10-14 14:04:17	Catemiko	Last update was in 10.10.22
2022-10-14 14:04:43	Namarrgon	that was the last time the mainboard firmware was updated?
2022-10-14 14:05:12	Catemiko	BIOS update, EC update was in 21.01.22
2022-10-14 14:06:16	Namarrgon	is this a notebook then?
2022-10-14 14:06:27	Catemiko	Yep, MSI Modern 15 A5M
2022-10-14 14:07:02	Namarrgon	have you talked to their support?
2022-10-14 14:07:28	Catemiko	Hm, no
2022-10-14 14:07:34	Catemiko	Should i?
2022-10-14 14:07:54	Namarrgon	at least check their support forum first
2022-10-14 14:10:10	Catemiko	Searched forums, found nothing
2022-10-14 14:11:20	mingdao	Catemiko: If you are needing kernel support for a device, and can't get it with any kernels you emerge, try building a custom kernel using `make  allmodconfig`.
2022-10-14 14:11:55	mingdao	This will make every option a module (M), not built in (Y).
2022-10-14 14:15:40	artefact	(will also take foverer to compile)
2022-10-14 14:16:05	mingdao	forever is quite a relative term
2022-10-14 14:16:41	mingdao	It will allow you to be certain if the kernel version used as support for your hardware.  No other method will do so.
2022-10-14 14:17:01	jelle	mingdao: but it worked before
2022-10-14 14:17:20	mingdao	Catemiko: I have personally never built a custom kernel on Arch, because that's not my use case for Arch. I do see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel/Traditional_compilation#Download_the_kernel_source
2022-10-14 14:17:21	phrik	Title: Kernel/Traditional compilation - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-14 14:17:29	mingdao	jelle: define it
2022-10-14 14:17:31	Namarrgon	mingdao: it apparently doesn't work on windows either
2022-10-14 14:17:39	jelle	mingdao: define what?
2022-10-14 14:18:19	mingdao	Namarrgon: I have had hardware that worked with a Linux kernel and didn't work on Windows.  Granted, that was ~20 years ago, but it's possible.
2022-10-14 14:18:21	jelle	if you just joined you missed some history
2022-10-14 14:18:26	mingdao	< jelle> mingdao: but it worked before
2022-10-14 14:18:53	jelle	mingdao: 11:10:47         Catemiko | Hello, after system update sensors from my Vega 7 just disappeared. May i get some help? PM me if you can help, pls
2022-10-14 14:19:14	mingdao	< Catemiko> Because i had it on Windows with newest amd drivers
2022-10-14 14:19:22	mingdao	So 'it' must have worked on Windows.
2022-10-14 14:19:37	jelle	ok you are too stubborn for me :)
2022-10-14 14:20:07	mingdao	no, just too pedantic; I do see your it ;)
2022-10-14 14:20:42	Catemiko	Mean issue by 'it'
2022-10-14 14:20:48	Catemiko	Meant*
2022-10-14 14:20:56	mingdao	I got it now.
2022-10-14 14:21:56	mingdao	Did you look in /var/log/pacman.log to see what was updated from "sensors appeared" to "sensors disappeared"?
2022-10-14 14:21:59	Catemiko	Maybe best solution just rollback to amd gpu drivers where it working fine
2022-10-14 14:22:22	shalzz	No one?
2022-10-14 14:28:15	riribreizh	hi, got a samsung mobile device and I can't connect it to my arch for a file transfer. Nothing on lsblk, I tried with the same usb cable on another computer and it's ok. Here is journalctl output https://sebsauvage.net/paste/?60e96d576146836e#1ikXSJwy4PwwQJnLU26Dhd6eN9+div6s8ZSgt/5xszY=
2022-10-14 14:28:15	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/ovJk.IGf5NuvF
2022-10-14 14:28:15	phrik	Title: ZeroBin (at sebsauvage.net)
2022-10-14 14:28:37	riribreizh	I also tried with another cable, and it's the same. I'm up to date with updates, rebooted after a kernel change. I don't know where to look :)
2022-10-14 14:28:42	jelle	riribreizh: tried a different usb port?
2022-10-14 14:28:48	riribreizh	did
2022-10-14 14:29:10	Catemiko	I checked pacman log and found out that it might be mesa' fault
2022-10-14 14:29:28	Catemiko	@mingdao
2022-10-14 14:30:24	Namarrgon	mesa plays no role between the interactions of the kernel and lmsensors
2022-10-14 14:30:44	jelle	if it doesn't work in windows or Linux it sounds like hardware. Does the BIOS display GPU temps?
2022-10-14 14:31:10	Catemiko	Nope, BIOS not display them
2022-10-14 14:31:20	Catemiko	With old driver too
2022-10-14 14:37:32	Catemiko	So i solved it! Just rolled back to mesa 22.1.7 from 22.2.1 and sensors appeared again!
2022-10-14 14:37:56	jelle	Catemiko: in mangohud?
2022-10-14 14:37:56	Catemiko	Btw, that bug sucks... 
2022-10-14 14:38:00	Catemiko	Yep
2022-10-14 14:38:11	jelle	Catemiko: so report the bug
2022-10-14 14:38:12	artefact	weird. i don't think mesa has anything to do with hwmon interfaces in sysfs
2022-10-14 14:38:23	Catemiko	Where to report?
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2022-10-14 14:59:56	asd_	my machine seems to prefer resolving localhost as ::1 over 127.0.0.1 any advice on how to make localhost resolve to my ipv4 addrrss over ipv6? mulyiple programs are breaking for me because of this
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2022-10-14 15:00:57	cedb	asd_: whats your hosts file like?
2022-10-14 15:01:15	dD__	I suspended my laptop manually last night and it woke up automatically this morning, I could hear a notification and after about an hour the screen turned on.  The laptop was unplugged and almost without battery so before I got to it the battery was drained.  How can I check what woke it up? 
2022-10-14 15:01:36	asd_	cedb: it is empty
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2022-10-14 15:02:03	cedb	asd_: you can try adding that : 127.0.0.1   localhost localhost.localdomain localhost4 localhost4.localdomain4
2022-10-14 15:03:05	asd_	i guess that gets it fixed. btw why `localhost.localdomain` ?
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2022-10-14 15:06:05	asd_	but `getent hosts localhost` still resolves ::1, maybe it requires a restart or w/e
2022-10-14 15:06:33	cedb	oh yeah it does for me too, hmmm
2022-10-14 15:06:46	asd_	Namarrgon: how would that look in gai.conf ?
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2022-10-14 15:07:11	cedb	im curious what modern applications can't handle ip6 
2022-10-14 15:07:17	cedb	like at least ::1
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2022-10-14 15:11:28	Namarrgon	asd_: have you read the comments and/or the manual?
2022-10-14 15:11:54	⚡ 	cedb likes the smell of a RTFM in the morning
2022-10-14 15:12:16	asd_	was hpying you had a solution to solve, but ill get that checkout at some other time
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2022-10-14 15:13:39	Namarrgon	you have to be able to maintain the pointed out solution, put some effort into this
2022-10-14 15:14:32	asd_	im connected via phone, ill get it checked out at some other point. thank you
2022-10-14 15:14:48	Namarrgon	you're welcome
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2022-10-14 15:46:25	artafinde	anyone know if firmware for ADATA SSDs are available for linux? According to wiki they should be some but can't find it https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Solid_state_drive#ADATA
2022-10-14 15:46:27	phrik	Title: Solid state drive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-10-14 16:05:20	cc0a3hr	Hello I have some issue about using mediakeys with pulse. Media keys on keyboard only working for my headphone output. I want to control speakers volume with my media keys but it is stuck with my headpone and I can't change it. Anyone knows how to solve that? I use pulseaudio.
2022-10-14 16:05:32	cc0a3hr	this guy had same issue https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=293211
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2022-10-14 16:06:06	Khorne	Make your speakers the primary output
2022-10-14 16:06:08	artafinde	mingdao: yes I think there's a bug with the controller. the ssd is installed on a server (unraid) and it's unlikely I can do the install or windows and update firmware. I'll ty reach out to adata
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2022-10-14 16:06:44	mingdao	artafinde: The controller ... are you meaning of the motherboard?
2022-10-14 16:06:54	artafinde	mingdao: though I don't expect a lot since taiwan only today lifted their lockdown measures :/
2022-10-14 16:07:00	cc0a3hr	Khorne: it's not working 
2022-10-14 16:07:05	artafinde	mingdao: no I mean the controller on the ssd.
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2022-10-14 16:07:15	mingdao	artafinde: The support I'm seeing is in the US.
2022-10-14 16:07:25	MrElendig	cc0a3hr: or tell whatever wm/de you are using which sink you want to control
2022-10-14 16:07:33	Khorne	cc0a3hr, maybe you want to be more specific in your problem description than that.
2022-10-14 16:07:42	Khorne	If it is not working, just fix it
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2022-10-14 16:10:01	cc0a3hr	https://files.catbox.moe/9dj0ka.png this is my pavucontrol outputs, volumekeys only working for headphone and selecting primary not solving anything it's like useless, I use dwm 
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2022-10-14 16:10:59	mingdao	artafinde: https://www.adata.com/us/support/xpg?tab=faqs&category=1&subcategory=1&product=652
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2022-10-14 16:11:43	mingdao	artafinde: What problem are you trying to solve by updating the firmware?
2022-10-14 16:11:45	Khorne	cc0a3hr, how are the media keys bound?
2022-10-14 16:12:03	mingdao	Updating the firmware would be a solution; what is the problem?
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2022-10-14 16:20:19	cc0a3hr	Khorne: with sxhkd with that way: https://pst.moe/paste/wzzqbl?format=raw
2022-10-14 16:20:19	Khorne	amixer? Does that interface with Pulse?
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2022-10-14 16:20:19	Ken123	Usually theirs a binding "Function" key for example my logtiech keyboard has an FN key I have to hold that to use the media controls.
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2022-10-14 16:20:19	Khorne	Ken123, it's not that the volume doesn't change at all, its the volume for the wrong output device
2022-10-14 16:20:19	cc0a3hr	if there any better way to bind, I can try of course
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2022-10-14 16:20:19	Ken123	okay.
2022-10-14 16:20:19	Khorne	I think you want pamixer instead
2022-10-14 16:20:19	cc0a3hr	video of my issue: https://files.catbox.moe/jrl86t.webm , volumekeys only working for headphone
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2022-10-14 16:20:40	cc0a3hr	okay I propably fixed with switching to pamixer, I tested a little seems working
2022-10-14 16:20:43	cc0a3hr	thanks Khorne 
2022-10-14 16:20:46	Khorne	np
2022-10-14 16:20:48	cc0a3hr	case solved
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2022-10-14 16:46:57	teraflops	guys, do you had any issues upgrading to kernel 6 with nvidia dkms? 
2022-10-14 16:47:20	Psi-Jack	There's always nvidia issues. 😛
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2022-10-14 16:48:01	brjl	I'd be surprised if there hadn't been any issues
2022-10-14 16:48:16	teraflops	do you had/did you have
2022-10-14 16:48:24	Ennea	perhaps i'll be doing that tomorrow. fingers crossed...? ;p
2022-10-14 16:48:26	teraflops	yeah I'm hesitant
2022-10-14 16:48:36	Psi-Jack	I dropped my use of Nvidia and went AMD fully.
2022-10-14 16:48:52	brjl	Smart
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2022-10-14 16:49:02	Ennea	considering the very low amount of issues i've had so far (nvidia here, too), i'm honestly not expecting any trouble with 6.0
2022-10-14 16:49:04	Ennea	but we shall see
2022-10-14 16:49:19	teraflops	idk my gtx perform pretty well
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2022-10-14 16:49:34	teraflops	performs
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2022-10-14 16:51:14	teraflops	I already upgraded all of my arch setups except my gaming rig
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2022-10-14 16:56:03	MrElendig	teraflops: there is nothing magic about 6.0, its really just 5.20 except that linus wants it to stay a teenager
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2022-10-14 16:57:37	teraflops	thanks for the info
2022-10-14 16:58:05	MrElendig	6.1 will have much bigger changes
2022-10-14 16:58:16	AlexC	<teraflops> guys, do you had any issues upgrading to kernel 6 with nvidia dkms? <- no issues here
2022-10-14 16:58:31	AlexC	already 6.0.1 with nvidia-dkms, works just fine.
2022-10-14 16:58:37	MrElendig	rust, mglru, io_uring changes etc
2022-10-14 16:58:42	Namarrgon	is the hdmi bug fixed?
2022-10-14 16:58:48	teraflops	I see, it's just major version = concerns
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2022-10-14 16:59:03	AlexC	hdmi bug?
2022-10-14 16:59:07	MrElendig	teraflops: linus just don't like >=20, it was the same with 4 -> 5
2022-10-14 16:59:11	teraflops	heh
2022-10-14 16:59:31	Namarrgon	AlexC: the one causing black screens with the nvidia blob
2022-10-14 16:59:43	AlexC	no clue, not using hdmi myself
2022-10-14 16:59:47	MrElendig	teraflops: some distros even shipped 5.0 as 4.20 :p
2022-10-14 16:59:47	AlexC	never had that before
2022-10-14 16:59:50	teraflops	I do display port alt (usb-c)
2022-10-14 16:59:55	meskarune	was the LTS kernel always this far behind? lts - linux-lts-5.15.73-2-x86_64 current arch - Linux-6.0.1.arch2-1-x86_64
2022-10-14 17:00:13	MrElendig	or whatever the number it was that got bumped back then
2022-10-14 17:00:18	teraflops	I already have the lts kernel installed just in case
2022-10-14 17:00:19	Namarrgon	5.15 is the latest LTS branch so far
2022-10-14 17:00:34	MrElendig	6.1 is nte next one
2022-10-14 17:00:38	MrElendig	the*
2022-10-14 17:01:10	meskarune	I see. I use lts mostly but I have the latest kernel installed too in case I want to use it.
2022-10-14 17:02:01	meskarune	maybe I am being too paranoid though, espeically since internet speeds are so much faster now
2022-10-14 17:02:22	teraflops	meskarune: nah same concerns here
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2022-10-14 17:08:49	ectospasm	I run lts on my router, but the main linux kernel everywhere else.
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2022-10-14 17:40:13	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-10-14 17:40:13	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1447 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1447 normals)
2022-10-14 17:13:35	Ennea	meskarune, any particular reason you're using lts?
2022-10-14 17:13:38	Ennea	or just to feel "safer"?
2022-10-14 17:14:47	ectospasm	I figure it is slightly less susceptible to regressions.
2022-10-14 17:15:32	ectospasm	Like that one in 5.19.12, that caused Intel laptops to potentially damage the screen.
2022-10-14 17:15:46	meskarune	Ennea: I've had issues with newest kernel breaking things. LTS has more bug reports and repairs before its released.
2022-10-14 17:15:49	Ennea	except if a particular regression is introduced in the new lts kernel (6.1 in the current case)
2022-10-14 17:16:00	Ennea	meskarune, makes sense i guess
2022-10-14 17:16:09	ectospasm	6.1 is not LTS *yet*
2022-10-14 17:16:20	Ennea	because 6.1 ain't out ;p
2022-10-14 17:16:48	HumanLove	ls
2022-10-14 17:16:50	ectospasm	Right, and it will be some time before LTS switches to 6.1, after the mainline kernel has moved onto 6.2+
2022-10-14 17:17:17	Ennea	ah, okay. i thought maybe lts would switch to 6.1 shortly after its release
2022-10-14 17:18:06	ectospasm	LTS, as far as I understand for the Linux kernel, means a certain level of maturity.
2022-10-14 17:19:14	MrElendig	it means that greg and friends feel like its a good kernel release to support
2022-10-14 17:20:07	MrElendig	more about feature state and bugs than maturity
2022-10-14 17:20:42	HumanLove	MrElendig: Bwand  jumping aroudn pawa
2022-10-14 17:21:18	⚡ 	HumanLove clicks on downloads very gently
2022-10-14 17:21:21	HumanLove	:)
2022-10-14 17:22:27	HumanLove	i love mr doing it. 
2022-10-14 17:23:19	HumanLove	welciome  back mama
2022-10-14 17:26:35	meskarune	MrElendig: It kinda feels like hardware has stalled a bit and most things are somewhat standard. Back when every few years there were whole new connectors and cpu types and graphic cards you  needed the latest kernel to even hope to support new stuff.
2022-10-14 17:26:58	bittin	can't git clone from AUR or git push to AUR atm, something that is known?
2022-10-14 17:27:17	MrElendig	meskarune: well, we now have 12v only atx and the new 12v power connector
2022-10-14 17:27:52	MrElendig	!give bittin errors
2022-10-14 17:27:53	phrik	bittin: Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2022-10-14 17:28:17	meskarune	Linux has also made me lazy with hardware updates becuase it runs fine on olderer or less powerful stuff.
2022-10-14 17:28:46	bittin	MrElendig: https://pastebin.com/Uw9TQQNB
2022-10-14 17:28:47	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/ovw5.CRhc7IiJ
2022-10-14 17:28:47	phrik	Title: bittin@rarity ~/ [128]> git clone ssh://aur@aur.archlinux.org/thunderbird-bin.gi - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-10-14 17:28:56	meskarune	I used my last computer for like 10 years before replacing it and then only becuase the motherboard died and all the other parts were so old it was cheaper to get new than try and fix it up.
2022-10-14 17:29:33	Ennea	meskarune, interesting point. i wonder if my hardware buying habits will change now that i'm on linux
2022-10-14 17:29:39	Namarrgon	bittin: are you the maintainer of that package?
2022-10-14 17:29:45	Ennea	though to be fair, i could've stayed with older hardware on windows, too
2022-10-14 17:30:09	bittin	Namarrgon: yeah https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/thunderbird-bin
2022-10-14 17:30:11	MrElendig	bittin: sure you are using the right key? also no börk börk :p
2022-10-14 17:30:12	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - thunderbird-bin (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-10-14 17:30:30	bittin	MrElendig: i regenerate a new key and added under my Account in AUR
2022-10-14 17:30:30	MrElendig	bittin: https://satwcomic.com/mean-names
2022-10-14 17:30:32	phrik	Title: Mean Names - Scandinavia and the World (at satwcomic.com)
2022-10-14 17:30:44	MrElendig	bittin: but are you actually *sending* that key?
2022-10-14 17:30:46	MrElendig	ssh -vvv
2022-10-14 17:30:54	bittin	MrElendig: :p
2022-10-14 17:30:57	MrElendig	sending/offering
2022-10-14 17:31:04	bittin	how do i check that?
2022-10-14 17:31:19	MrElendig	as said, throw more -v's at ssh
2022-10-14 17:32:02	MrElendig	you can also use -i to specify which keyfile to offer
2022-10-14 17:33:07	bittin	how do i do that in a git clone?
2022-10-14 17:33:13	MrElendig	man git
2022-10-14 17:33:18	MrElendig	you can also test with ssh directly
2022-10-14 17:34:04	bittin	hm permission denied still
2022-10-14 17:34:31	MrElendig	are you teh actual maintainer of thunderbird-bin?
2022-10-14 17:34:56	bittin	MrElendig: yeah
2022-10-14 17:35:12	bittin	Maintainer: bittin 
2022-10-14 17:35:19	bittin	and could update edge-beta earlier today
2022-10-14 17:35:25	meskarune	h4rd3n3d: haha
2022-10-14 17:35:49	MrElendig	ssh -vvv 
2022-10-14 17:35:52	MrElendig	ssh -vvv aur@aur.archlinux.org help
2022-10-14 17:36:25	MrElendig	and doublecheck that you are really using the right key, and that you copy/pasted it correctly
2022-10-14 17:40:13	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-10-14 17:50:37	predicament	So I see the following: https://bpa.st/Z6QQ
2022-10-14 17:50:38	phrik	Title: View paste Z6QQ (at bpa.st)
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2022-10-14 17:50:53	predicament	nvidia not compiling
2022-10-14 17:51:01	predicament	that's the make.log
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2022-10-14 17:51:10	jelle	predicament: that's not the build logs we want
2022-10-14 17:51:15	predicament	which ones?
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2022-10-14 17:51:42	predicament	it said to "consult" that so
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2022-10-14 17:52:32	predicament	oops i pasted the last few lines.  sorry
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2022-10-14 17:53:56	jelle	this looks weird anyway 390.154
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2022-10-14 17:54:28	predicament	yeah well
2022-10-14 17:54:29	jelle	predicament: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nvidia-390xx-dkms#comment-885117 have fun
2022-10-14 17:54:29	predicament	its old.
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2022-10-14 17:54:33	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - nvidia-390xx-utils (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-10-14 17:54:48	DeepDayze	390 is wayyyy too old
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2022-10-14 17:54:59	Namarrgon	switch to lts for the time being
2022-10-14 17:55:00	◣	LordRishav (~LordRisha@user/lordrishav) ha salido (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2022-10-14 17:55:09	jelle	iirc this AUR package does not work with nvidia-390xx
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2022-10-14 17:55:13	jelle	errr 6.0
2022-10-14 17:55:14	ℹ 	lordrishav_ es conocido ahora como LordRishav
2022-10-14 17:55:17	predicament	FiestaLake commented on 2022-10-13 04:05 (UTC) (edited on 2022-10-13 04:05 (UTC) by FiestaLake)
2022-10-14 17:55:17	predicament	@BlackIkeEagle That patch unfortunately disablea ACPI function thus limiting my max GPU performance level (from perf 2 (Graphics 525MHz, Memory 3000MHz, Processor 1050MHz) to perf 1 (Graphics 73MHz, Memory 648MHz, Processor 101MHz))
2022-10-14 17:55:26	predicament	so it wont work, yeah.
2022-10-14 17:55:29	predicament	wonderful
2022-10-14 17:55:31	Namarrgon	and get a different gpu in the medium/long term
2022-10-14 17:55:38	predicament	dude this is 15 yera sold
2022-10-14 17:55:38	DeepDayze	time to upgrade your nvidia card
2022-10-14 17:55:44	predicament	years old*
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2022-10-14 17:55:48	DeepDayze	or use nouveau
2022-10-14 17:55:51	predicament	lucky i keep this on 5.19
2022-10-14 17:55:56	predicament	nouveau might be on option on ere
2022-10-14 17:55:58	predicament	here*
2022-10-14 17:56:12	predicament	it's a server.
2022-10-14 17:56:26	predicament	i have no money so i can get a new GPU
2022-10-14 17:56:30	DeepDayze	good idea no need for nvidia blob on a server
2022-10-14 17:56:44	predicament	cannot*
2022-10-14 17:57:01	predicament	i mean it's just running local shit
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2022-10-14 17:57:05	predicament	nothing outward
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2022-10-14 17:57:31	predicament	it's liek a desktop/server
2022-10-14 17:57:58	DeepDayze	I have an old machine with a GeForce MX440SE...and it runs OK with nouveau. Nothing fancy as long as the display lights up
2022-10-14 17:58:17	predicament	i might need this driver for acceleration
2022-10-14 17:58:19	predicament	fuck dude
2022-10-14 17:58:37	predicament	i just realized i do sometimes use it to watch fights and shit from a stream or wahatever
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2022-10-14 17:58:54	predicament	it's rare, but I do
2022-10-14 17:59:04	DeepDayze	nouveau should work for watching streams
2022-10-14 17:59:14	andonome	Anyone else using Flatpak on Steam?  Steam crashes after 35 seconds. Flatpak output here: https://ttm.sh/qxw.log  Where is mentions line 796, this leads to a large if  statement, so I don't know where the problem is. 
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2022-10-14 17:59:22	predicament	it has too much screen tearing and doesnt seem to recognize my hdmi
2022-10-14 17:59:22	predicament	so
2022-10-14 17:59:26	predicament	no it wouldnt
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2022-10-14 17:59:52	predicament	i do it with dual monitors
2022-10-14 18:00:02	predicament	50" TV
2022-10-14 18:00:47	predicament	yep
2022-10-14 18:00:51	predicament	exactly
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2022-10-14 18:01:07	predicament	i run harded 5.9.15-hardened2
2022-10-14 18:01:12	predicament	ugh
2022-10-14 18:01:17	predicament	hardened*
2022-10-14 18:01:24	predicament	thank you for letting him know but he knows already
2022-10-14 18:01:27	predicament	guaranteed.
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2022-10-14 18:02:11	predicament	i havent been paying attention during updates
2022-10-14 18:02:17	predicament	not a lot anyway
2022-10-14 18:02:25	predicament	aside from another version of openssh came out
2022-10-14 18:02:28	predicament	whats up with that
2022-10-14 18:02:37	DeepDayze	such an old driver can certainly break on updates
2022-10-14 18:03:01	predicament	and qemu too lmao
2022-10-14 18:03:03	DeepDayze	lucky there's some brave souls putting up patches for such old nvidia cards
2022-10-14 18:03:11	predicament	yeah that has got to be hell
2022-10-14 18:03:15	predicament	they do maintain it
2022-10-14 18:03:30	predicament	they'll possibly patch it idk.
2022-10-14 18:03:48	DeepDayze	I have an GT 6800 card in my parts box
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2022-10-14 18:03:56	DeepDayze	old but works
2022-10-14 18:04:06	DeepDayze	as well as a GTX7900
2022-10-14 18:04:09	predicament	mine is a um
2022-10-14 18:04:13	predicament	560ti?
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2022-10-14 18:04:18	predicament	Client: HexChat 2.16.1 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 925 Processor (2.81GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.6 GiB Total (5.9 GiB Free) Swap: 15.6 GiB Total (15.6 GiB Free) • Storage: 1.6 TB / 3.9 TB (2.3 TB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GF114 [GeForce GTX 560] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h Processor Miscellaneous Control •
2022-10-14 18:04:18	predicament	Uptime: 24m 6s
2022-10-14 18:04:18	DeepDayze	yea that's old
2022-10-14 18:04:23	predicament	GTX
2022-10-14 18:04:32	predicament	no ti
2022-10-14 18:04:52	DeepDayze	sometimes the ti don't show
2022-10-14 18:04:52	predicament	and yes
2022-10-14 18:05:00	predicament	yeah its not ti
2022-10-14 18:05:03	predicament	looking in settings
2022-10-14 18:05:11	predicament	and the box doesnt say it
2022-10-14 18:05:26	DeepDayze	I have a mobo with same cpu as you have
2022-10-14 18:05:26	predicament	OH I said that because I have ti on my laptop
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2022-10-14 18:05:36	predicament	not the same card at all, it's 1650ti
2022-10-14 18:05:43	predicament	way better but still
2022-10-14 18:05:44	DeepDayze	1650
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2022-10-14 18:05:45	predicament	old.
2022-10-14 18:05:47	predicament	yep
2022-10-14 18:05:49	DeepDayze	s are good cards
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2022-10-14 18:05:52	predicament	yes they are
2022-10-14 18:05:55	predicament	not bad anyway
2022-10-14 18:06:00	predicament	its just a laptop one
2022-10-14 18:06:14	DeepDayze	mine is a 1060 in my big box and 520 runs on it
2022-10-14 18:06:17	predicament	and i had to really work xorg to get it working with an AMD chipset for dual monitors
2022-10-14 18:06:30	predicament	wayland feels impossible
2022-10-14 18:06:42	DeepDayze	yes it can get tricky to get that old card working no doubt
2022-10-14 18:06:45	predicament	I am doing LFS lately but im not asking questions cause i need to finish this myself.
2022-10-14 18:07:36	predicament	my base is definitely getting the cutting edge shit, it is a rolling distro
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2022-10-14 18:11:08	greyltc	Is anyone aware of any issues with pacman on very full file systems (btrfs)?
2022-10-14 18:11:24	teraflops	rolling ≠ cutting edge
2022-10-14 18:11:42	predicament	well
2022-10-14 18:11:44	predicament	close
2022-10-14 18:11:55	predicament	not 100% cutting edge
2022-10-14 18:11:58	predicament	is that better for you?
2022-10-14 18:12:09	predicament	it's kind of like this one.
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2022-10-14 18:13:07	predicament	which is pretty close to bleeding edge
2022-10-14 18:13:37	predicament	sometimes it depends on the repo.
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2022-10-14 18:14:23	luna	does it take a while for AUR to propogate new SSH keys?
2022-10-14 18:14:24	greyltc	h4rd3n3d: https://bpa.st/raw/VTGQ
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2022-10-14 18:15:34	greyltc	I seem to be having a recurring issue where pacman puts files on my disk that are seemingly corrupted
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2022-10-14 18:15:56	greyltc	They fail `paccheck --quiet --md5sums`
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2022-10-14 18:16:51	greyltc	h4rd3n3d: at what amount of free space should I expect pacman to install corrupted files?
2022-10-14 18:17:21	greyltc	of course I don't always have 5GB free
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2022-10-14 18:19:38	greyltc	for lots of packages, you'd know pretty quick. trust me ;-)
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2022-10-14 18:21:25	greyltc	btrfs seems to be unaware of the corruption
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2022-10-14 18:22:13	greyltc	which is why i'm thinking it might be pacman that's somehow silently writing bad files when the disk begins to run out
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2022-10-14 18:29:03	teraflops	luna: I don't think so, what the issue?
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2022-10-14 18:31:10	Namarrgon	greyltc: which files get corrupted?
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2022-10-14 18:31:44	luna	teraflops: getting permission denied even if i updated the AUR ssh key on my computer and my AUR account
2022-10-14 18:32:19	glitsj16	luna: might be https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/76205
2022-10-14 18:32:21	phrik	Title: FS#76205 : Unable to read from and to write to AUR via SSH (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2022-10-14 18:32:47	luna	glitsj16: might be
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2022-10-14 18:33:41	Namarrgon	luna: see if anyone in -devops is awake
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2022-10-14 18:34:11	glitsj16	luna: i spotted that 10 min ago, haven't tried connecting
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2022-10-14 18:35:03	luna	Namarrgon: will do
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2022-10-14 18:35:57	luna	Namarrgon: done so now
2022-10-14 18:36:13	luna	glitsj16: it worked for one guy i got too try but not for 2 others
2022-10-14 18:36:14	luna	wierd
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2022-10-14 18:39:03	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-10-14 18:46:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-10-14 18:42:56	luna	seems to not only effect me atleast, 2 other people with the same problem
2022-10-14 18:43:01	glitsj16	same thing here like in the bug report, luckily i don't need to access anything on the AUR right now
2022-10-14 18:44:01	luna	foutrelis broke the sshd while updating it but works again now
2022-10-14 18:44:07	glitsj16	luna: well, it's reported, i'm confident they'll figure it out
2022-10-14 18:44:29	foutrelis	🥺
2022-10-14 18:45:13	luna	its fixed and new thundebird-bin is there now
2022-10-14 18:46:45	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-10-14 18:48:16	greyltc	ls
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2022-10-14 19:20:54	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-10-14 19:06:10	wyre	hi guys, this one apparently doesn't work with linux 6 https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nvidia-470xx-dkms do you think the maintainer may be able to package it for it? is this an upstream thing that depends on Nvidia? 
2022-10-14 19:06:12	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - nvidia-470xx-utils (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-10-14 19:20:54	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-10-14 19:21:24	artefact	mostly yes, wyre 
2022-10-14 19:21:51	artefact	reminds me of the ye olde days where you couldn't just upgrade xorg because of catalyst =)
2022-10-14 19:21:57	teraflops	wyre: o/
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2022-10-14 19:24:16	ℹ 	lordrishav_ es conocido ahora como LordRishav
2022-10-14 19:24:26	wyre	artefact, 😢
2022-10-14 19:24:30	wyre	teraflops, 👋
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2022-10-14 19:40:07	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/FHUQ It's been like this for a week. How can I cancel? Did I break the pen drive? How can I recover it?
2022-10-14 19:40:07	phrik	Title: View paste FHUQ (at bpa.st)
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2022-10-14 19:58:46	glitsj16	sunyibo: exceptionally patient heh... what have you tried to make it quit?
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2022-10-14 19:58:46	glitsj16	sunyibo: whether or not the pen drive can be taken off life-support is for a sequel
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2022-10-14 20:06:34	selphy	i use arch btw (real)
2022-10-14 20:06:52	MrElendig	thats what all the manjaro users claims
2022-10-14 20:07:06	selphy	nah manjaro is gay
2022-10-14 20:07:10	Psi-Jack	selphy: Please run `hostnamectl | sed -n 's/.*rating//p' | b2sum -l16` and report the results./
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2022-10-14 20:07:26	selphy	idk what it does but sure
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2022-10-14 20:08:11	selphy	f5b3 -
2022-10-14 20:08:13	selphy	why?
2022-10-14 20:08:25	Psi-Jack	You are NOT running Arch.
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2022-10-14 20:09:09	jessicant	hmm
2022-10-14 20:09:14	jessicant	Quick question
2022-10-14 20:09:19	selphy	im running crystal
2022-10-14 20:09:23	selphy	is arch based
2022-10-14 20:09:24	jessicant	I have an efi partition
2022-10-14 20:09:26	selphy	arch with cooler neofetch uwu
2022-10-14 20:09:37	Psi-Jack	selphy: Not Arch Linux however.
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2022-10-14 20:09:53	jessicant	It’s reporting as 96M although I thought I resized it to 354M
2022-10-14 20:09:55	selphy	uname -a says Linux EVA-01 6.0.1-arch2-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu, 13 Oct 2022 18:58:49 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2022-10-14 20:09:57	selphy	smh
2022-10-14 20:10:01	MrElendig	jessicant: resized it how?
2022-10-14 20:10:08	jessicant	gparted
2022-10-14 20:10:16	DeepDayze	is it an arch based distro?
2022-10-14 20:10:25	DeepDayze	if so notarch here 🙂
2022-10-14 20:10:27	MrElendig	jessicant: no idea if gparted can grow fat, I would just mkfs it again
2022-10-14 20:10:45	jessicant	can I do that without wiping it lol
2022-10-14 20:10:54	selphy	meh, used vanilla arch before
2022-10-14 20:11:02	selphy	couldnt be bothered to reinstall manualy
2022-10-14 20:11:09	MrElendig	jessicant: or fatresize
2022-10-14 20:11:17	selphy	+ crystal has cooler neofetch lmfao
2022-10-14 20:11:22	MrElendig	jessicant: cp -a /boot/* /somewhere/else first
2022-10-14 20:11:30	Psi-Jack	selphy: Well, you lied about running Arch Linux (for real), so *slap* liar liar.
2022-10-14 20:11:40	MrElendig	if you cared about the data on it you should have done that first :p
2022-10-14 20:11:55	MrElendig	not that the data on /boot really matters
2022-10-14 20:12:08	MrElendig	(assuming you use the esp as /boot)
2022-10-14 20:12:22	jessicant	Yeah I just want to not break my windows install lol
2022-10-14 20:12:27	selphy	sowwy Psi-Jack
2022-10-14 20:12:31	selphy	il install real arch now
2022-10-14 20:12:37	selphy	i wont let senpai down again uwu
2022-10-14 20:12:39	selphy	xD
2022-10-14 20:13:01	Namarrgon	stay on topic
2022-10-14 20:13:07	selphy	sure
2022-10-14 20:13:15	jelle	this is cringe
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2022-10-14 20:13:43	DeepDayze	I hear ya jelle
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2022-10-14 20:32:27	ℹ 	justHaunted es conocido ahora como ffffffradiofree
2022-10-14 20:32:48	ℹ 	ffffffradiofree es conocido ahora como jusFffffffradiof
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2022-10-14 20:38:08	CBke	anyone else got weird colors in firfox with nouveau since linux-6.x? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMSk0UI-2zY
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2022-10-14 20:40:06	lmat	I installed linux-lts and uninstalled linux. Restarting, it says "you need to install a kernel first". What did I do wrong?
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2022-10-14 20:41:26	astralc	lmat: did you add boot option for it?
2022-10-14 20:41:33	MrElendig	you didn't fix your bootloader
2022-10-14 20:41:35	astralc	for linux-lts?
2022-10-14 20:42:22	lmat	Thank you!
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2022-10-14 20:47:26	Namarrgon	CBke: uname -r
2022-10-14 20:47:40	Namarrgon	and "pacman -Qs mesa"
2022-10-14 20:50:12	CBke	6.0.1-arch1-1 but 6.0.1-arch2 is the same
2022-10-14 20:50:44	CBke	!paste
2022-10-14 20:50:44	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-10-14 20:51:05	CBke	mesa https://bpa.st/4BKA
2022-10-14 20:51:06	phrik	Title: View paste 4BKA (at bpa.st)
2022-10-14 20:55:02	Namarrgon	does disabling vaapi fix the colors?
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2022-10-14 20:55:35	CBke	media.ffmpeg.vaapi.enabled is false
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2022-10-14 21:09:17	andonome	Anyone got any idea why Steam isn't working (flatpak version)? Here's the output: https://ttm.sh/qxw.log  After 35 seconds it crashes.
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2022-10-14 21:14:18	astralc	andonome: no, from search I see a bug - https://github.com/flathub/com.valvesoftware.Steam/issues/977
2022-10-14 21:14:38	astralc	why you not using the steam package instead flatpak
2022-10-14 21:15:02	astralc	?
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2022-10-14 21:17:53	ℹ 	jusFffffffradiof es conocido ahora como justThumbs
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2022-10-14 21:20:09	ℹ 	justThumbs es conocido ahora como justVain
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2022-10-14 21:25:12	andonome	I couldn't get the native client working, but that was 4 years ago - I'll have another go. Cheers.
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2022-10-14 21:28:52	lmat	When downloading on my local network, pacman only reports 11.2 MiB/s. I think I have gigabit equipment between all the computers in question. Is 11.2 MiB/s the maximum speed over gigabit equipment? (I'm using GS308 dump netgear switch and probably one of those five-port gigabit switches.)
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2022-10-14 21:29:43	tlserror	hey
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2022-10-14 21:30:11	andonome	Might be easier to test network speed with speedtest-cli first, then look at pacman separately.
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2022-10-14 21:31:00	tlserror	i have a laptop with a geforce rtx 3060 mobile graphics card and I was wondering as to how to get that working. i've tried installing the nvidia drivers (pacman -S nvidia) and added the boot parameters as specified in the wiki page but as soon as arch gets to the login screen the computer becomes unresponsive. does anyone have any pointers on how to solve this?
2022-10-14 21:31:57	andonome	'login screen' as in 'cli login' or GUI?
2022-10-14 21:32:04	tlserror	cli login
2022-10-14 21:32:19	andonome	Kernel version? 
2022-10-14 21:32:22	andonome	(uname -a)
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2022-10-14 21:32:53	tlserror	i can't get into the computer because I cannot log in lol
2022-10-14 21:33:06	andonome	:P Of course, sorry.
2022-10-14 21:33:10	tlserror	i guess i could go in via rescue usb lol
2022-10-14 21:33:11	tlserror	hold on
2022-10-14 21:33:23	andonome	A recent kernel had a problem for a lot of laptops. An upgrade might help.
2022-10-14 21:33:44	tlserror	if it helps, i have a dell g15 5520
2022-10-14 21:33:49	andonome	I think it was 5.19.12 which had the issue.
2022-10-14 21:34:12	homerj	is this one of those things where your desktop enviroment is wayland, and nvidia isn't playing nice?
2022-10-14 21:34:21	tlserror	nope
2022-10-14 21:34:50	tlserror	i have no desktop environment installed, just bspwm + sxhkd. there's no display manager either, i boot to a tty prompt
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2022-10-14 21:36:11	tlserror	okay, my archiso is 5.19.12
2022-10-14 21:36:19	tlserror	but via chroot i can't see my actual kernel version
2022-10-14 21:36:39	tlserror	i'm going to try to upgrade within the chroot
2022-10-14 21:37:25	andonome	Sounds like you got the buggy-kernel. You should be fine to update.
2022-10-14 21:37:36	tlserror	okay
2022-10-14 21:37:44	tlserror	the thing is i just reinstalled this morning
2022-10-14 21:37:57	tlserror	i'll try it, i guess
2022-10-14 21:40:24	homerj	andonome: I wonder if some buggy kernel was the problem with a crappy laptop I bought spitting out block errors on the mmc storage
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2022-10-14 21:40:46	homerj	andonome: I gave up on it and just threw it in the closet
2022-10-14 21:41:10	andonome	I always keep multiple distros to check hardware problems.
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2022-10-14 21:41:33	andonome	Ventoy's great for this - you can keep multiple ISOs on a single USB and boot from any.
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2022-10-14 21:42:01	tlserror	hmm
2022-10-14 21:42:11	andonome	tlserror: any luck?
2022-10-14 21:42:33	tlserror	a completely unrelated issue has sproung up where the wifi will not connect
2022-10-14 21:42:36	tlserror	time to try ethernet
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2022-10-14 21:43:10	andonome	When it rains, it pours, then the DNS fails.
2022-10-14 21:44:33	tlserror	okay
2022-10-14 21:44:44	tlserror	i am now able to update, and it says there is nothing to update
2022-10-14 21:44:51	tlserror	so i assume i'm on the latest kernel version
2022-10-14 21:44:56	andonome	And you're on 5.19.13?
2022-10-14 21:45:23	tlserror	i would assume so, given there's no updates for the kernel
2022-10-14 21:45:30	andonome	uname -a
2022-10-14 21:45:33	tlserror	but I can't tell because uname -a doesn't work in a chroot
2022-10-14 21:45:44	tlserror	it returns the archiso version, not the version on disk
2022-10-14 21:46:44	tlserror	is there anything else for me to do? or just reinstall and hope it works?
2022-10-14 21:47:28	homerj	tlserror: you could install a linux-lts kernel
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2022-10-14 21:47:39	homerj	which is a suggestion I generally make anyways
2022-10-14 21:47:41	tlserror	just sudo pacman -S linux-lts?
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2022-10-14 21:47:56	homerj	yeah
2022-10-14 21:48:00	homerj	it's a good backup for things
2022-10-14 21:48:06	tlserror	okay
2022-10-14 21:48:35	homerj	it's rare a new kernel will mess things up, but when it does, just having that update in the background gets you a nice contingency
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2022-10-14 21:49:26	tlserror	homerj: still frozen at login screen
2022-10-14 21:49:46	homerj	there may be a similar nvidia package you need
2022-10-14 21:49:54	tlserror	?
2022-10-14 21:50:12	homerj	do they have like a nvidia-lts package that builds their modules for the lts kernel?
2022-10-14 21:50:28	homerj	I don't generally deal with nviida stuff
2022-10-14 21:50:35	tlserror	lemme check
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2022-10-14 21:53:28	tlserror	homerj: yeah, i'm installing the nvidia-lts package
2022-10-14 21:53:30	tlserror	wish me luck
2022-10-14 21:54:28	tlserror	yup, still freezes
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2022-10-14 21:56:28	andonome	What about TTY2?
2022-10-14 21:56:35	andonome	(Ctrl + Alt + F2)
2022-10-14 21:56:43	tlserror	it will not change
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2022-10-14 21:57:10	andonome	Yikes. I'd probably test another distro to see if it's hardware failure.
2022-10-14 21:57:30	tlserror	it's not hardware failure lol
2022-10-14 21:57:33	tlserror	this laptop is brand new
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2022-10-14 21:59:11	andonome	Has any Linux worked before? I've seen odd behaviour from Alienware, so very new laptops might not play well with Linux
2022-10-14 21:59:31	tlserror	i haven't installed any linux on this machine before
2022-10-14 22:00:10	MrElendig	don't use lts if this is a brand new laptop
2022-10-14 22:00:45	MrElendig	and do read the hybrid graphics page on the wiki, the bits about prime
2022-10-14 22:00:45	tlserror	the regular kernel didn't work either
2022-10-14 22:01:07	MrElendig	define "didn't work"
2022-10-14 22:01:41	MrElendig	can you ssh in?
2022-10-14 22:01:58	MrElendig	and are you trying to boot to gui or tty?
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2022-10-14 22:05:19	tlserror	so I boot. grub works and linux is 'booted' but after about one second of being online the cursor just freezes and I cannot type anything. by default, this linux is configured to boot to tty. i can't ssh in, because I haven't enabled sshd.
2022-10-14 22:05:28	tlserror	MrElendig: ^^
2022-10-14 22:05:43	andonome	tlserror: Could this be a bootloader issue? If it's working on the live iso, but not the disk, then maybe Legacy-mode in the BIOS would help.
2022-10-14 22:05:59	tlserror	This BIOS doesn't support Legacy mode
2022-10-14 22:06:00	MrElendig	enable sshd
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2022-10-14 22:06:11	MrElendig	tlserror: then its not bios at all :)
2022-10-14 22:06:39	tlserror	right, lol. the computer doesn't support booting in legacy mode
2022-10-14 22:06:55	tlserror	i'll jump into the recovery disk and enable sshd
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2022-10-14 22:07:14	MrElendig	cat just brought in something alive again, bbl
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2022-10-14 22:13:37	tlserror	okay, I sudo pacman -S nvidia linux (to get rid of the lts kernel)
2022-10-14 22:13:58	tlserror	and when I boot, I get the login screen, but I also get a crap ton of what looks like dmesg messages
2022-10-14 22:13:59	astralc	this will not remove lts
2022-10-14 22:14:15	astralc	it will add the latest kernel
2022-10-14 22:14:17	thurstylark	kernels aren't mutually exclusive. if you want to remove linux-lts, then remove linux-lts
2022-10-14 22:14:22	tlserror	oh
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2022-10-14 22:14:59	tlserror	let me remove it then lol
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2022-10-14 22:17:22	tlserror	yeah, even when removing linux-lts and nvidia-lts I still get the dmesg messages
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2022-10-14 22:18:56	tlserror	does anyone have any ideas? i'm out of them
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2022-10-14 22:21:38	moldorcoder7	when debuginfod is installed , shouldnt gdb automatically download the debug symbols when doing a bt full from coredumpctl gdb
2022-10-14 22:21:48	moldorcoder7	i keep getting no symbols found on each line
2022-10-14 22:22:18	Scimmia	does the binary in question have debug symbols on the server?
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2022-10-14 22:22:56	Scimmia	and did you set the required env variable?
2022-10-14 22:23:23	Scimmia	or log out/log in to get it set?
2022-10-14 22:23:27	astralc	tlserror: just to make sure, which boot parameters are you using?
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2022-10-14 22:35:58	GreyXor	Hello, how can I change the value of `org.freedesktop.appearance.color-scheme` to have a systemd wide configuration dark mode for every app ? thanks
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2022-10-14 22:45:01	MrElendig	no because a lot of software ignores that
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2022-10-14 22:46:36	justAguy0	guys what can I do to get good fonts for youtube. THey are horrible on chrone. I already installed windows 10 fonts... my fonts look good on my mate desktop btw and on apps, it is just youtube with chrome
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2022-10-14 22:59:06	kode54	is bash 5.2 in testing?
2022-10-14 22:59:09	kode54	https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1018727
2022-10-14 22:59:29	MrElendig	archlinux.org/packages or kittypack
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2022-10-16 17:09:05	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-10-16 17:15:52	neff	Hi guys!Say can i force aplication to run via GTK?
2022-10-16 17:16:14	Scimmia	if it's not written with gtk, no
2022-10-16 17:16:34	neff	Let's i explain my problem
2022-10-16 17:18:34	thing	I'm running firefox 105.0.3, it crashes as soon as I open a new tab. I've tried creating new profile, run in safe mode but still the same result.
2022-10-16 17:18:37	neff	I have lmms,where i use plugin called carla.I have two PC one is with KDE desktop and One with Gnome.After upgrade the lmms on KDE desktop can't open Carlas GUI.But on PC with gnome everythink is ok.I dig some time and find about error conected with qt5....
2022-10-16 17:19:06	neff	Well from morning try to understand what to do and can't find any solution
2022-10-16 17:19:09	thing	Is anyone facing the same issue?
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2022-10-16 17:20:08	Scimmia	!give neff errors
2022-10-16 17:20:08	phrik	neff: Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
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2022-10-16 17:21:06	neff	ImportError: cannot import name 'QSafeSettings' from 'utils' (/home/neff/.local/lib/python3.10/site-packages/utils/__init__.py)
2022-10-16 17:22:08	thing	I've installed chrome and I get Aw, Snap! Error code: SIGILL.
2022-10-16 17:22:52	Scimmia	neff: so the problem is likely that you're loading from your home dir instead of the system package
2022-10-16 17:23:18	neff	loading what? and how to change it?
2022-10-16 17:23:34	Scimmia	to confirm, try with a new user account
2022-10-16 17:23:45	Scimmia	you've been using pip, I guess?
2022-10-16 17:23:53	neff	Yes
2022-10-16 17:24:01	thing	Could this be a graphics issue?
2022-10-16 17:24:13	Scimmia	and in doing that, you're overriding the system packages
2022-10-16 17:24:32	Namarrgon	thing: pacman -Qm
2022-10-16 17:24:53	neff	so should i remove it?
2022-10-16 17:24:58	Scimmia	yes
2022-10-16 17:26:46	neff	Scimmia: well now it's : ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'utils'
2022-10-16 17:29:24	thing	Namarrgon: http://ix.io/4dkZ
2022-10-16 17:29:53	Scimmia	neff: install python-utils
2022-10-16 17:30:57	Namarrgon	thing: is the system fully up-to-date?
2022-10-16 17:31:12	thing	Yes
2022-10-16 17:31:40	Namarrgon	any interesting terminal output?
2022-10-16 17:32:29	thing	http://ix.io/4dl1
2022-10-16 17:34:18	thing	It's not just firefox, I've installed couple of browsers. 
2022-10-16 17:34:56	Scimmia	necercis: https://github.com/falkTX/Carla/commit/2beb82b2e020068d41231364e2682253948e3f99
2022-10-16 17:35:02	Scimmia	upstream bug in carla
2022-10-16 17:35:27	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-10-16 17:36:03	Namarrgon	thing: what did you change in the environment?
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2022-10-16 17:36:17	Namarrgon	do you use any third-party repos?
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2022-10-16 17:36:51	necercis	Scimmia: I dont think you wanted to ping me.
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2022-10-16 17:37:08	Scimmia	necercis: yep, sorry, neff left and I didn't notice
2022-10-16 17:37:13	jenia2	Hello. I installed docker but cannot run it as a non superuser. It tells me: Got permission denied while trying to connect to the Docker daemon. I added myself to the docker group, restart the docker daemon and logged out and back in again.
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2022-10-16 17:37:26	MacGyver	Ooooh, channel mode +R.
2022-10-16 17:37:32	MacGyver	Yes please.
2022-10-16 17:37:38	thing	Namarrgon: Nothing? It was working fine until an hour ago. 
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2022-10-16 17:38:00	Namarrgon	thing: i mean in general, you override mesa_glthread at least
2022-10-16 17:38:17	Namarrgon	what else did you customize?
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2022-10-16 17:38:32	Psi-Jack	jenia2: Did you add yourself to the appropriate group? Did you read the archwiki on docker?
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2022-10-16 17:39:14	thing	I don't think I have a skill to override mesa_glthread. I was just browsing mostly.
2022-10-16 17:40:14	Psi-Jack	Heh, this is funny. I'm ending up using light-locker on my desktop, but xfce4-screensaver's locker on my tabtop, because light-locker works on multi-monitors better than xfce4-screensaver's locker, and light-locker doesn't allow barrier to control the keyboard/mouse when it's locked, most times, but xfce4-screensaver does. And with multi-user working properly again, at least I have choices. 🙂
2022-10-16 17:40:31	Namarrgon	thing: "ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment."
2022-10-16 17:40:39	Namarrgon	which distro is this?
2022-10-16 17:40:49	thing	Arch
2022-10-16 17:40:56	Namarrgon	arch or some spin of it?
2022-10-16 17:41:08	thing	arch.
2022-10-16 17:41:43	Namarrgon	then you overrode that envvar yourself
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2022-10-16 17:42:05	Namarrgon	are you running the browsers in any kind of jail?
2022-10-16 17:42:19	thing	I found a similar issue on manjaro forum. I can't link it thought
2022-10-16 17:42:22	thing	No
2022-10-16 17:42:36	thing	I didn't touch any envvar myself
2022-10-16 17:42:39	Psi-Jack	thing: Can you run this and give the result? `hostnamectl | sed -n 's/.*rating//p' | b2sum -l16` 
2022-10-16 17:43:09	thing	3429  -
2022-10-16 17:43:40	Psi-Jack	Well, Arch indeed, confirmed.
2022-10-16 17:43:40	thing	https://forum.manjaro.org/t/all-firefox-tabs-crash-after-latest-upgrade/123576
2022-10-16 17:43:46	thing	123586
2022-10-16 17:44:25	Psi-Jack	Are you using profile-sync-daemon?
2022-10-16 17:44:34	thing	Nope
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2022-10-17 14:49:33	theh	Anyone else using DNSSEC with systemd-resolved? It's super slow for me. I think I tried this before and abandoned the effort.
2022-10-17 14:51:01	uuidNuniq	theh: just disable it 
2022-10-17 14:51:14	uuidNuniq	DNSSEC is useless piece of crap 
2022-10-17 14:51:49	theh	Understood, I'll take your word for it.
2022-10-17 14:52:05	uuidNuniq	use dns over https instead 
2022-10-17 14:52:26	uuidNuniq	if you want some kind of validation and protection 
2022-10-17 14:52:37	Psi-Jack	Well, those serve two entirely different purposes, but yes, DNSSEC is absolute piled on garbage.
2022-10-17 14:52:48	Psi-Jack	uuidNuniq: DNS over HTTPS provides 0% protection.
2022-10-17 14:52:51	Psi-Jack	Literally.
2022-10-17 14:53:03	Psi-Jack	Also 0% validation.
2022-10-17 14:53:30	compute_	yes just memorize the ip yourself
2022-10-17 14:53:38	uuidNuniq	i am protection between you and the dns provider 
2022-10-17 14:53:52	Psi-Jack	That's not really "protection".
2022-10-17 14:54:14	krumelmonster	I found the relevant logs using `journalctl -g pam` and it seems my pam script is not to blame: "gkr-pam: the password for the login keyring was invalid." seems to be the issue
2022-10-17 14:54:48	uuidNuniq	Psi-Jack: at least your ISP can't forge a reply 
2022-10-17 14:55:36	theh	From what I see systemd-resoved only supports DoT. Is that a worthwhile choice compared to plain mode (default)?
2022-10-17 14:56:56	uuidNuniq	Psi-Jack: i mean, if you trust the provider , e.g 8.8.8.8 1.1.1.1, doh can surely protect you. 
2022-10-17 14:57:23	BrainDamage	consider this: unless you manually set otherwise, the dns is the same as your isp, which already sees which endpoints you connect to
2022-10-17 14:57:34	tasty	.
2022-10-17 14:57:45	BrainDamage	using a third party dns, means giving that info away to other people
2022-10-17 14:57:57	Psi-Jack	uuidNuniq: If you can't trust your ISP do not forge replies, then there's bigger issues at stake here.
2022-10-17 14:58:07	uuidNuniq	theh: yeah, dot same thing 
2022-10-17 14:58:07	Psi-Jack	And if your ISP does such things, call them out and FIRE them.
2022-10-17 14:58:51	Psi-Jack	I CERTAINLY personally don't trust 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4, because one time I was using them I literally couldn't even resolve google.com for a couple weeks.
2022-10-17 14:58:59	Psi-Jack	Which is irony.
2022-10-17 15:00:00	theh	Normal DNS is like HTTP, the content body out in the open, right?
2022-10-17 15:00:42	uuidNuniq	theh: yes, normal dns uses plain udp or tcp everything is transparent to the middle man 
2022-10-17 15:01:15	theh	Ok. I'll give the DoT implementation a try, maybe that works just fine.
2022-10-17 15:01:20	uuidNuniq	Psi-Jack: no, you can't fire a country owned ISP 
2022-10-17 15:02:11	uuidNuniq	try china telecom, china mobile, china unicom :P
2022-10-17 15:03:21	BrainDamage	theh: unlike http tho, the endpoint is at your isp normally
2022-10-17 15:03:36	Psi-Jack	uuidNuniq: Sure you can. Leave the country that's clearly not caring for it's people.
2022-10-17 15:03:45	Psi-Jack	Extreme, yes. 🙂
2022-10-17 15:03:58	theh	BrainDamage: Right, fair enough.
2022-10-17 15:04:24	jelle	Psi-Jack: can you shut up
2022-10-17 15:04:34	uuidNuniq	leaving the place, that's another thing. at least doh provide some kind of protects for now. 
2022-10-17 15:04:35	jelle	Psi-Jack: stop being an asshole, thanks :)
2022-10-17 15:12:30	uuidNuniq	i remeber in the old days, ISP insert ads to dns, that was funny 
2022-10-17 15:16:02	astralc	uuidNuniq: what, like you browse to a site and it will redirect to ad instead?
2022-10-17 15:16:35	uuidNuniq	yeah like that 
2022-10-17 15:19:46	Psi-Jack	I've only ever seen that situation on a record that doesn't exist, and ISP replied with it's own search engine usually, which that is an easy thing to stop from happening in many cases.
2022-10-17 15:20:31	Psi-Jack	bogus-nxdomain, on dnsmasq for example. 🙂
2022-10-17 15:20:42	uuidNuniq	https://www.usenix.org/legacy/event/foci11/tech/final_files/Weaver.pdf
2022-10-17 15:22:57	uuidNuniq	nowerdays, they don't do that , but instead give you fake ip reply so you can't open google.com and many others 
2022-10-17 15:27:14	uuidNuniq	and if you use upd/tcp 8.8.8.8, they hijack the reply and forge one. 
2022-10-17 15:27:30	uuidNuniq	anyway, i use doh all the time, no matter where i am  
2022-10-17 15:28:42	krumelmonster	In fact my skript for unlocking luks home broke during kernel upgrade: it doesn't seem to load lvm devies upon `vgscan --mknodes` anymore, therefore blockdevs in /dev/mapper/ aren't found :(
2022-10-17 15:30:57	krumelmonster	This script broke: http://ix.io/4dps
2022-10-17 15:31:56	MacGyver	Why are you using a custom script for that?
2022-10-17 15:32:19	MacGyver	I don't see anything there that isn't done by the normal initcpio hooks?
2022-10-17 15:32:59	krumelmonster	it's not full disk encryption, it's pam meaning only my home directory is encrypted this way
2022-10-17 15:33:26	Psi-Jack	uuidNuniq: Yeah, but DoH won't work on internal DNS situations. For example, offices. 🙂
2022-10-17 15:33:55	MacGyver	It's encrypting a partition, that's full disk encryption.
2022-10-17 15:34:14	kevr	doh as in dns over https?
2022-10-17 15:34:15	krumelmonster	MacGyver: Well ok it doesn't encrypt root. And why I do this is because I need other people to be able to boot my computer.
2022-10-17 15:34:16	kevr	i hate that bullshit
2022-10-17 15:34:18	MacGyver	The bind-mounting is a bit weird but nothing that can't be done using fstab, I think.
2022-10-17 15:34:25	⚡ 	kevr throws fire on it
2022-10-17 15:34:41	MacGyver	Ah, it's mounted only upon login. Hrrm.
2022-10-17 15:35:32	krumelmonster	Honestly I don't remember why that bind mount is there. Probably left from the time when I was migrating to this solution from gocryptfs
2022-10-17 15:36:23	uuidNuniq	Psi-Jack: you have hosts 
2022-10-17 15:36:28	MacGyver	vgscan might need a pvscan beforehand?
2022-10-17 15:36:41	MacGyver	Though your needs might very well be served by systemd-homed, mind.
2022-10-17 15:36:56	MacGyver	Might be worth looking into if *all* you're doing is per-user disk encryption.
2022-10-17 15:37:02	krumelmonster	I'm pretty happy with the way this works but somehow I get "/dev/mapper/vg-home: Can't open blockdev" since recent kernel update
2022-10-17 15:37:07	Psi-Jack	uuidNuniq: hosts is not DNS and putting possibly hundreds to even thousands of entries in that file is bad.
2022-10-17 15:37:32	kevr	what's that mount option i can use to basically wake the device up whenever i try to access it, as opposed to mounting it on boot
2022-10-17 15:37:37	kevr	in fstab, at least
2022-10-17 15:37:43	throstur	Psi-Jack: why is it bad? you can litter your hosts file with ad servers and live a good life online
2022-10-17 15:37:50	MacGyver	kevr: Sec.
2022-10-17 15:38:03	kevr	ah, man. mac's got my back.
2022-10-17 15:38:07	kevr	<3
2022-10-17 15:38:07	MacGyver	kevr: auto,x-systemd.automount
2022-10-17 15:38:08	uuidNuniq	Psi-Jack: you have dnsmasq server=///
2022-10-17 15:38:10	kevr	ty!
2022-10-17 15:38:35	Psi-Jack	throstur: well shoot. Ads is different.  And there's plenty of good browser extractions that do well to block ads.
2022-10-17 15:38:35	MacGyver	kevr: Note that "trying to access it" happens more often than you might expect.
2022-10-17 15:38:43	MacGyver	kevr: Like tab-completing the directory it lives in.
2022-10-17 15:38:51	Psi-Jack	uuidNuniq: on my EdgeRouter yes.
2022-10-17 15:38:54	kevr	i'm fine with that. it's just that, on boot, nfs for some reason takes ages to finish mounting
2022-10-17 15:39:03	MacGyver	kevr: Oh in that case you need more.
2022-10-17 15:39:04	kevr	so i like to have it happening in the background after the system starts
2022-10-17 15:39:20	MacGyver	kevr: A full sshfs automount for me is sog.4:/home/pol/attachments /home/pol/attachments/sog fuse.sshfs noauto,x-systemd.automount,_netdev,user,idmap=user,follow_symlinks,allow_other,default_permissions,uid=1000,gid=1000,reconnect 0 0
2022-10-17 15:39:33	kevr	perhaps noauto, yeah
2022-10-17 15:39:50	kevr	sheesh, there's a lot there
2022-10-17 15:39:59	uuidNuniq	Psi-Jack: then you have wireguard :P one dnsmasq setup , use everywhere :P
2022-10-17 15:40:00	MacGyver	That might be sshfs-specific though.
2022-10-17 15:40:22	kevr	i do recall using noauto in the past with a similar type of option line (with the systemd automount part)
2022-10-17 15:40:26	MacGyver	kevr: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fstab#Automount_with_systemd
2022-10-17 15:40:28	phrik	Title: fstab - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-17 15:40:31	kevr	this seems familiar or close
2022-10-17 15:40:36	kevr	ah, nice.
2022-10-17 15:40:42	kevr	yeah :) exactly
2022-10-17 15:40:45	Psi-Jack	uuidNuniq: You're neglecting the point of internal DNS like in work places.
2022-10-17 15:40:59	kevr	MacGyver: thanks
2022-10-17 15:41:09	MacGyver	Yw. You're lucky I set this up for myself quite recently.
2022-10-17 15:41:30	kevr	:)
2022-10-17 15:41:34	uuidNuniq	Psi-Jack: in work places, i use company's default dns 
2022-10-17 15:41:59	Psi-Jack	uuidNuniq: Well, earlier you said you use DoH everywhere. 😛
2022-10-17 15:42:06	Psi-Jack	heh
2022-10-17 15:42:34	uuidNuniq	personal equipments 
2022-10-17 15:43:21	krumelmonster	MacGyver rebooted to mainline, logged in as root and excecuted those commands manually http://ix.io/4dps it worked and so I could log in but that doesn't solve my problem
2022-10-17 15:44:43	uuidNuniq	Psi-Jack: i mean, i have dnsmasq configured at home, and upstream is a DoH client, and i have wg too. always wg back home when i am not at home oh my phone and pc 
2022-10-17 15:45:18	theh	systemd-resolved with DoT works well guys (no high-latency outliers). Thanks again!
2022-10-17 15:45:33	Psi-Jack	uuidNuniq: Yeah, I finally boiled down and setup wireguard.
2022-10-17 15:45:42	kevr	ahh, i see
2022-10-17 15:45:57	kevr	so i need to reboot in order for systemd to consider that mount as a valid unit
2022-10-17 15:46:15	Psi-Jack	Heh, I actually had to use my US Wireguard host just this weekend, because, apparently I was assigned for jury duty, yet I don't live in the county, let alone the country itself anymore. LOL
2022-10-17 15:46:21	⚡ 	kevr wonders if there's a way to shortcut it
2022-10-17 15:46:25	Foxboron	kevr: You need to re-run the mount generator, but it's better to reboot
2022-10-17 15:46:27	Psi-Jack	But the county website wouldn't allow me to use it, from outside of the country.
2022-10-17 15:46:35	⚡ 	kevr looks for the mount generator
2022-10-17 15:46:54	kevr	neat
2022-10-17 15:47:01	kevr	thank you guys a lot <3
2022-10-17 15:47:03	uuidNuniq	Psi-Jack: that's funny 
2022-10-17 15:47:18	uuidNuniq	a remote jury?
2022-10-17 15:47:31	Psi-Jack	Nope, they were aiming for in-person. Which is odd. LOL
2022-10-17 15:47:58	Psi-Jack	But still, doesn't matter. I literally don't reside in the county nor country. 🙂
2022-10-17 15:51:40	kevr	hmm.. :)
2022-10-17 15:54:06	kevr	ah, that wasn't too bad
2022-10-17 15:56:32	txtsd	When I try to upload my GPG key (with 1 added uid) to a keyserver, it says: gpg: keyserver send failed: No data
2022-10-17 15:56:44	txtsd	How do I push my updated GPG key online?
2022-10-17 15:57:45	Ennea	Psi-Jack, jury duty is such a weird concept to me..
2022-10-17 15:57:55	MacGyver	The default behaviour of gnupg has changed a bit in the wake of the keyserver armageddon and privacy issues leading to privacy-friendlier keyservers, you may need to pass particular flags to send the right information to that particular keyserver.
2022-10-17 15:58:00	Ennea	feels like a temporary solution that has stayed around for a long time
2022-10-17 15:58:03	MacGyver	I can't go into details right now, meeting in 2 minutes.
2022-10-17 15:58:13	txtsd	Thanks for the tip MacGyver 
2022-10-17 15:58:19	Psi-Jack	Ennea: Heh.
2022-10-17 15:58:48	Psi-Jack	Ennea: Would you prefer a cluster of Arch Linux servers running AI to judge?
2022-10-17 15:59:30	Ennea	hell no
2022-10-17 15:59:40	Psi-Jack	🙂
2022-10-17 16:11:44	txtsd	I can't find a way to do it both the Ubuntu and the Mailvelope keyservers aren't updating my GPG key.
2022-10-17 16:11:49	cyphertite	Ennea:  in the US, when you register to vote in elections, and are granted that right, along with it comes an obligation to serve on any (randomly assigned) jury, for free
2022-10-17 16:12:23	Ennea	cyphertite, yea, i'm aware
2022-10-17 16:12:33	cyphertite	k
2022-10-17 16:13:02	uuidNuniq	what is ubuntu 
2022-10-17 16:16:52	Ennea	uuidNuniq, why does that feel like a jeopardy question/answer?
2022-10-17 16:18:53	kevr	ubuntu is another distribution, which is based on debian.
2022-10-17 16:19:20	uuidNuniq	thanks wiki kevr 
2022-10-17 16:20:01	uuidNuniq	Ennea: was just making a joke/statement 
2022-10-17 16:20:22	Ennea	ah
2022-10-17 16:22:23	cyphertite	Psi-Jack:  you may know this already, but if you ever need a quick and dirty US ip address, Opera (using the browser's free VPN) under 'Americas' lands you with an ip somewhere in VA :)
2022-10-17 16:22:53	kevr	this is pretty off-topic, but you can still be selected for jury duty without registering to vote
2022-10-17 16:22:57	⚡ 	kevr ends
2022-10-17 16:23:36	Psi-Jack	cyphertite: I will never use Opera with it's built-in DHD to China.
2022-10-17 16:23:51	cyphertite	np
2022-10-17 16:24:18	Psi-Jack	And I don't use what's marketted as VPN, but is actually PVN crap services.
2022-10-17 16:24:52	uuidNuniq	what is DHDD
2022-10-17 16:25:05	Psi-Jack	Dial-Home-Device
2022-10-17 16:25:06	uuidNuniq	/DHDD/DHD
2022-10-17 16:26:13	Psi-Jack	Opera is now owned by some Chinese company now, and is no longer managed by the original developers.
2022-10-17 16:27:20	Ennea	opera already wasn't managed by the "original" developers anymore after version 12
2022-10-17 16:27:46	uuidNuniq	whom ever owns it, it is not opensource, thus, NO
2022-10-17 16:28:25	Psi-Jack	Yeah, but Qihoo's already been caught with a VPN back to HQ.
2022-10-17 16:34:14	cyphertite	kevr:  agreed on #aot, but where ^that selection is occurring, it's likely from the state's DMV license database grepping for folks who are >=18 year old = ends here 
2022-10-17 16:49:52	cyphertite	bbl
2022-10-17 18:08:17	stef204	quick question regarding nvidia-470xx-dkms and xorg.  I configured a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/30-nvidia.conf to use nvidia but that file is owned by root:root with 600 perms.  However, xorg starts and runs as regular user.  I have to question how in the world xorg would be able to read that file due to difference it permissions/ownership.  If I try to chmod the file to 644, xorg won't start
2022-10-17 18:08:43	stef204	do i need to run xorg as root?
2022-10-17 18:10:44	Scimmia	why is it 600 owned by root? where did it come from?
2022-10-17 18:14:13	stef204	Scimmia:I believe I used nvidia-settings to create it
2022-10-17 18:14:38	Scimmia	then the solution is simple. Don't do that
2022-10-17 18:15:00	stef204	who should own that file?
2022-10-17 18:15:07	Scimmia	it shouldn't be there at all
2022-10-17 18:15:10	stef204	$USER:users ?
2022-10-17 18:15:44	stef204	in the nvidia wiki page, I believe it mentions creating one to be able to use the nvidia card, Optimus, prime-run, etc.
2022-10-17 18:17:20	stef204	Scimmia:sorry, I meant I used nvidia-xconfig
2022-10-17 18:17:36	stef204	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#Automatic_configuration
2022-10-17 18:17:37	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-17 18:18:11	Scimmia	and yet the settings are making it do you can't run X
2022-10-17 18:18:32	pulec	I got a USB dvd drive and I am reading bunch of old/dirty cds, when I switch CDs the media spins but my /dev/sr0 disappears, I have to reconnect the USB
2022-10-17 18:18:37	Scimmia	unless you need to change something, you don't need any of that
2022-10-17 18:18:41	pulec	is there some command to force reconnecting the usb? something like partprobe
2022-10-17 18:18:55	Scimmia	optimus is covered on a separate page, iirc
2022-10-17 18:19:24	stef204	well I CAN run it if I leave the file owned by root:root but I doubt it is being read by X, and if I change permissions tomake regular user readable, X will not start.
2022-10-17 18:19:26	kevr	iirc there is a way to force usb to reseat in devfs
2022-10-17 18:19:34	stef204	Scimmia:so just remove that file and reboot, then?
2022-10-17 18:19:58	pulec	kevr: meh, I know, I will connect usb hub with on/off buttons on it
2022-10-17 18:20:02	Scimmia	it's not doing anything anyway, might as well remove it
2022-10-17 18:20:19	kevr	+1
2022-10-17 18:21:23	stef204	Scimmia:I will, I ecpect nothing will change but let me do that. I'll kill this session and come back here in a minute
2022-10-17 18:21:26	stef204	tx
2022-10-17 18:23:10	kevr	pulec: /sys/bus/pci/drivers/xhci_hcd/[un]bind
2022-10-17 18:23:18	kevr	there's also ehci-pci
2022-10-17 18:23:30	tatsumaru	hello, I have this process that just won't end no matter how much 'kill' commands I send it via CLI. Is there anything more powerful than a kill signal to fix the job? (no jokes about shooting the computer with a bazooka please).
2022-10-17 18:23:35	kevr	to force the entire driver to reset
2022-10-17 18:24:02	pulec	kevr: sounds dangerous
2022-10-17 18:24:49	kevr	:P
2022-10-17 18:25:17	kevr	there is a way to do it with a specific device, i forget exactly how to thouggh
2022-10-17 18:25:21	kevr	maybe something with the control file
2022-10-17 18:40:20	thing	Anyone here facing firefox crashes "Gah. Your tab just crashed"? I had to restart yesterday to fix it, but it's happening again.
2022-10-17 18:41:01	Ennea	don't think i've seen anybody else with the same issue, no
2022-10-17 18:41:13	Psi-Jack	thing: You've been the only one I've seen bringing this up.
2022-10-17 18:41:25	mpan	thing: sorry, you are exceptional.
2022-10-17 18:42:08	thing	Any logs I could provide for you all to look at?
2022-10-17 18:42:34	mpan	Oh, so you want help with solving an issue. You should have said that! ;)
2022-10-17 18:43:04	Psi-Jack	Firefox doesn't really log. but you could check your xsession logs if you're using Xorg, and see if it's stdout shows anything of relevant usefulness. 
2022-10-17 18:43:07	mpan	No, not really, Firefox is not providing logs. Other than perhaps something showing up in a terminal, from which you started *the first instance*, there is no logs.
2022-10-17 18:43:19	Psi-Jack	Or you could go upstream to mozilla's irc and talk to them directly.
2022-10-17 18:43:21	gehidore	fwiw most of the folks I've seen with the issue aren't actually on arch
2022-10-17 18:43:53	mpan	However, did you by any chance update your system and did not restart Firefox after that?
2022-10-17 18:44:21	mpan	Nowadays Firefox is pretty vocal about detecting you updated some of the libraries, but I think it still may miss some things.
2022-10-17 19:06:15	Psi-Jack	tatsumaru: ps aux | grep <processname>   -- Might be helpful as well.
2022-10-17 19:07:46	tatsumaru	artefact: yes, doesn't help
2022-10-17 19:08:33	stef204	let me ask this, since my understanding is rudimentary on this Optimus, prime-run subject.  on the host (forgetting the VM for now) is is possibel or even advisable to try to run some applications on the nvidia GPU? like Firefox? or that only makes sense if you will be using sites which need webgl like https://get.webgl.org/ ?
2022-10-17 19:08:40	Psi-Jack	Then yeah, provide output of ps command as asked, tatsumaru.
2022-10-17 19:08:45	tatsumaru	Psi-Jack: https://paste.rs/lPm
2022-10-17 19:08:59	artefact	don't have any magical fix. rebooting of course, but that will also likely take a while for systemd to time out
2022-10-17 19:09:00	Psi-Jack	Zombie.
2022-10-17 19:09:22	Psi-Jack	You can't kill a zombie but you can try to kill the parent to kill the zombie.
2022-10-17 19:09:52	tatsumaru	how can I find what the parent is?
2022-10-17 19:10:09	Psi-Jack	pstree and/or find the ppid of it through ps. 
2022-10-17 19:10:39	anotherNightmare	or htop
2022-10-17 19:10:57	anotherNightmare	where you can kill directly
2022-10-17 19:11:12	thing	mozilla doesn't use irc?
2022-10-17 19:11:14	Psi-Jack	or /proc/$pid/status
2022-10-17 19:11:26	anotherNightmare	thing: they switched a few years ago
2022-10-17 19:11:29	Psi-Jack	thing: They do, they have their own network.
2022-10-17 19:11:37	Psi-Jack	Or... That?
2022-10-17 19:12:58	tatsumaru	Psi-Jack: hmm pstree says python3 is the parent, does this make sense?
2022-10-17 19:13:07	Psi-Jack	Is it a python application?
2022-10-17 19:13:50	thing	I've been trying to connect to their server which I found on their wiki, huh
2022-10-17 19:14:19	tatsumaru	Psi-Jack: looks that way, killing python solved it
2022-10-17 19:14:41	Psi-Jack	Yep. And do you understand how I determined what was wrong from the ps output you provided?
2022-10-17 19:15:03	tatsumaru	because it says <defunct> ?
2022-10-17 19:15:09	Psi-Jack	No, Stat was Z
2022-10-17 19:16:12	tatsumaru	What does zombie process mean? Is it frozen or hanging?
2022-10-17 19:16:22	Psi-Jack	It means it's been killed and not reaped.
2022-10-17 19:16:28	Psi-Jack	Aka: A Zombie.
2022-10-17 19:16:58	tatsumaru	Ah, how sad, it must've done something shameful not to be granted passage into Valhalla
2022-10-17 19:17:14	Psi-Jack	Who says daemons go to valhalla?
2022-10-17 19:17:40	dandels	A zombie process either eats the memory of other processes or infects them in turn.
2022-10-17 19:17:41	tatsumaru	good point
2022-10-17 19:18:19	Psi-Jack	dandels: It'd be funnier if it was true, but not really. :)\
2022-10-17 19:18:31	tatsumaru	I better call Andrew Lincoln next time
2022-10-17 19:18:56	dandels	Yep, sadly. Petition to rename computer worms to zombies.
2022-10-17 19:19:37	dandels	Then we can have a computer zombie apocalypse.
2022-10-17 19:19:55	anotherNightmare	Psi-Jack: So it's a body stuck in the morgue?
2022-10-17 19:21:09	anotherNightmare	collect exit code
2022-10-17 19:23:10	dandels	afaik in practice it just means the process is dead but the kernel hasn't cleaned it up yet
2022-10-17 19:24:12	anotherNightmare	because no relative has collected their belongings
2022-10-17 19:24:32	dandels	Oh nvm I think it's init that does the cleaning, not the kernel
2022-10-17 19:24:57	heat	depends
2022-10-17 19:24:59	⚡ 	dandels shuts up and goes to refresh their memory about this
2022-10-17 19:25:05	heat	the kernel has an autoreap feature
2022-10-17 19:25:29	heat	you can also set the reaper to a process, if you're running e.g something like a service manager (that isn't init)
2022-10-17 19:26:13	heat	but yes traditionally it's pid 1
2022-10-17 19:27:08	heat	IF you're reparented that is
2022-10-17 19:27:16	anotherNightmare	usually the parent should do this. if the parent does not fullfill their duties and dies, the grandparent gets to do the job
2022-10-17 19:27:47	anotherNightmare	which in the end is init
2022-10-17 19:27:51	heat	no, the grandparent does not reap those
2022-10-17 19:28:02	heat	you only reap children
2022-10-17 19:28:15	heat	if those children have children, they're reparented to the reaper, or pid 1
2022-10-17 19:28:16	anotherNightmare	sure. but reparenting
2022-10-17 19:28:51	anotherNightmare	hmm.. wait. not sure if they are reparented to GP or to init
2022-10-17 19:29:03	heat	init
2022-10-17 19:29:10	heat	there's no reparenting up the chain
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2022-10-17 19:36:41	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/SGIA should I trust the public key?
2022-10-17 19:36:42	phrik	Title: View paste SGIA (at bpa.st)
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2022-10-17 19:37:13	Psi-Jack	Heh
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2022-10-17 19:48:50	Scimmia	sunyibo: you don't have to trust anything, but you need the key
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2022-10-18 20:46:52	Volu	I'd love to ask somewhere specialized to ssh and/or git but i don't know where
2022-10-18 20:47:06	Psi-Jack	Volu: I'd recommend #git for this.
2022-10-18 20:47:08	Namarrgon	Comatoast: post the kernel log without chrooting
2022-10-18 20:47:13	pulec	Volu: there is #github
2022-10-18 20:47:24	Volu	Psi-Jack: I already wrote there too
2022-10-18 20:47:26	Psi-Jack	Or yes, #github, either/ore./
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2022-10-18 20:47:40	pulec	git should have something like 'ssh -vvv'
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2022-10-18 20:48:27	Psi-Jack	Volu: And? This is a problem specific to git and you. 🙂
2022-10-18 20:49:11	Volu	Psi-Jack: Nobody is answering there
2022-10-18 20:49:18	Psi-Jack	Learn patience.
2022-10-18 20:49:23	Volu	pulec: I'll try that
2022-10-18 20:49:27	pulec	breathe in, breathe out!
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2022-10-18 20:52:01	pulec	systemrescue? wut?
2022-10-18 20:52:04	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-10-18 20:52:07	Psi-Jack	systemrescuecd?
2022-10-18 20:52:10	Comatoast	yeah
2022-10-18 20:52:17	Comatoast	well it's on a usb
2022-10-18 20:52:33	Psi-Jack	Well, why not use an arch-iso which has recovery tools, and arch-chroot?
2022-10-18 20:52:33	Psi-Jack	😛
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2022-10-18 20:53:15	pulec	lalala
2022-10-18 20:53:44	ℹ 	andyrtr_ es conocido ahora como andyrtr
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2022-10-18 20:55:11	Comatoast	Psi-Jack: right right, lol. Is it just the iso 
2022-10-18 20:55:17	Comatoast	I download from the homepage*?
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2022-10-18 20:56:01	Namarrgon	no, ask in the bakery next door
2022-10-18 20:56:04	pulec	Comatoast: you mean this? https://archlinux.org/download/
2022-10-18 20:56:06	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Downloads (at archlinux.org)
2022-10-18 20:56:14	pulec	Namarrgon: gimme bread!
2022-10-18 20:56:16	Psi-Jack	Really you can use whatever you want, and since systemrescuecd is based on arch these days, It would surprise me if it doesn't have arch-chroot supplied with it.
2022-10-18 20:56:23	Namarrgon	!give pulec pain
2022-10-18 20:56:24	phrik	pulec: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8wDQMD7FNU
2022-10-18 20:56:27	pulec	I recommend https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html
2022-10-18 20:56:30	phrik	Title: Ventoy (at www.ventoy.net)
2022-10-18 20:56:31	Volu	i did a git clone -vvv like 5 minutes ago and all i have so far is the `cloning into` message, still waiting for it to fail
2022-10-18 20:56:31	Psi-Jack	That's just a script to automate some chrooting stuff though.
2022-10-18 20:56:33	pulec	Namarrgon: chill
2022-10-18 20:56:39	Comatoast	pulec: Yess thank you :)
2022-10-18 20:57:17	pulec	Volu: do you have options to change internet providers? as in make your phone with LTE a ap host?
2022-10-18 20:57:33	pulec	might be some kind of routing madness, networking magic, who knows
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2022-10-18 20:57:39	ℹ 	radu2423 es conocido ahora como radu242
2022-10-18 20:57:47	pulec	Volu: also just try cloning with http
2022-10-18 20:57:52	pulec	rule things out
2022-10-18 20:58:42	pulec	Volu: also git clone -vvv is bad
2022-10-18 20:58:44	pulec	GIT_SSH_COMMAND="ssh -v" git clone example
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2022-10-18 20:58:49	pulec	read man git clone first please
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2022-10-18 20:59:56	Volu	pulec: no way I can change providers, living with my parents, contract isnt on me. also you (or someone else) suggested adding -vvv to the comand
2022-10-18 21:00:26	Volu	cloning with http works
2022-10-18 21:00:38	Volu	but i dont want to log in every time I push, thus i want to use ssh
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2022-10-18 21:04:03	Comatoast	Psi-Jack: :v thank you
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2022-10-18 21:04:39	Comatoast	uhh, so I am trying to torrent the arch iso but I am getting "could not create download: could not find any trackers"
2022-10-18 21:04:44	Comatoast	Running rtorrent
2022-10-18 21:04:55	Comatoast	"The input is not a valid torrent"
2022-10-18 21:05:41	Comatoast	maybe a direct download. sorry I am kind of freaking out a little now lol
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2022-10-19 03:09:33	kevr	look into every error you see
2022-10-19 03:11:27	ayo7	Turns out my VM was continuously running out of memory. 2GB was not enough. I had to increase the VM memory to 3GB, remount /tmp to 2GB and /run/archiso/cowspace to 512MB, The iso has now been successfully created
2022-10-19 03:11:44	MichaelP	When you said wayland. Maybe that is why endeavouros don't install wayland ! Or maybe it is the archinstall script from the arch iso.
2022-10-19 03:12:03	Namarrgon	ayo7: why are you running archiso in a live system?
2022-10-19 03:12:59	ayo7	Because I didn't want virtual hard disk leftovers
2022-10-19 03:35:43	SponiX	kevr: you have experience with btrfs?
2022-10-19 03:39:59	kevr	i do not, only ever used ext2/3/4
2022-10-19 03:40:02	kevr	for linux
2022-10-19 04:08:50	ElTimo	Has anyone had ctrl-backspace break for them in Gnome?
2022-10-19 04:09:47	ElTimo	It seems to be limited specifically to GTK apps, because Firefox, Chrome, and apps made with Qt all seem unaffected.
2022-10-19 04:34:43	nmy	I don't know who needs to hear this... but finally. Plasma and Nvidia are working as sweet together as the Nouveau driver 
2022-10-19 04:35:12	nmy	I can finally - after 5 years - scale my laptop screen - with Wayland
2022-10-19 04:35:29	nmy	and my AAA mhw game is perfect at highest res
2022-10-19 04:35:45	nmy	thanks to all those who made this possible
2022-10-19 06:14:39	saucyfox	hi, are there any other Plasma Wayland/kitty terminal users who can reproduce this? https://github.com/kovidgoyal/kitty/issues/5603 tl;dr - select/copy text in kitty, paste it in firefox (running with `MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1` in your environment so it doesn't use xwayland), and see if kitty segfaults. upstream isn't able to reproduce and I'm trying to figure out if my install is just borked
2022-10-19 06:46:28	bluetail	to whoever wrote archinstall+encryption is broken. It is in the current release
2022-10-19 06:47:10	bluetail	s/It is/It is indeed broken
2022-10-19 07:29:56	uuidNuniq	how do you find out which program/script/service started a systemd service ?
2022-10-19 07:44:40	tent405	oh cool the new kernel breaks zfs
2022-10-19 07:46:15	tent405	i'm just switching to lfs kernel i have zero need for anything new and fancy in my kernel
2022-10-19 07:46:38	tent405	lts
2022-10-19 07:47:00	_________	also switch to ext4, it never breaks.
2022-10-19 07:49:56	tent405	I honestly have no idea why i'm using ZFS on a single drive that's all just media a/v & text. It makes 0 sense. I'm not using a single zfs feature. If i had an extra 6TB laying around I would change it over.
2022-10-19 07:50:39	kevr	do it 1 byte at a time, you will finish eventually
2022-10-19 07:50:49	ishitatsuyuki	do you not use snapshots
2022-10-19 07:51:03	tent405	no like i said, it's media. snapshots wouldn't make any sense.
2022-10-19 07:51:25	kevr	i say
2022-10-19 07:51:35	kevr	destroy the drive, reformat it, redownload _all_ the media
2022-10-19 07:51:40	kevr	yolo
2022-10-19 07:51:45	tent405	yoooooooloool
2022-10-19 07:52:17	⚡ 	kevr cracks a beer
2022-10-19 07:52:26	tent405	some of it is unobtainable. how long does it take to move 6TB over a 1Gbps link?
2022-10-19 07:52:33	tent405	does your calculator buddy do that?
2022-10-19 07:53:24	kevr	!calc 6 * 1000 * 8
2022-10-19 07:53:24	phrik	kevr: 48000
2022-10-19 07:53:33	kevr	!calc 48000 / 60
2022-10-19 07:53:33	phrik	kevr: 800
2022-10-19 07:53:37	kevr	800 seconds?
2022-10-19 07:53:43	tent405	800 minutes
2022-10-19 07:53:51	tent405	def not 800 seconds
2022-10-19 07:54:02	kevr	hold on
2022-10-19 07:55:00	kevr	6 * 1000 is 6 TB in gigabytes. then you have that in bits, which is * 8. You have 1 Gigabits per second, so that's 48000 / 60, no?
2022-10-19 07:55:37	⚡ 	tent405 pulls out the sliderule *ugh not this again*
2022-10-19 07:55:42	kevr	lol
2022-10-19 07:55:44	⚡ 	kevr is drunk
2022-10-19 07:56:38	tent405	so weird thing is, iperf to my DO server measures me at 125Mbits/sec, but when I'm using wireless on my laptop I am pushing over 200. I think there's a kink in my ethernet wire.
2022-10-19 07:58:03	kevr	wait, you're right, 800 minutes
2022-10-19 07:58:04	tent405	So yeah I better fix that first before I do something like rent 8TB of spot ec2 (or is it ec3 now) or whatever (terrible idea) or I could just do the obvious thing and buy a new spinner which I should do anyways
2022-10-19 07:58:29	kevr	!calc 800 / 60
2022-10-19 07:58:29	phrik	kevr: 13.333333333333334
2022-10-19 07:58:35	⚡ 	kevr dies
2022-10-19 07:58:37	tent405	I have a pack of unopened floppy disks around here somewhere…
2022-10-19 07:59:24	tent405	can phrik be programmed to run `units` ? great program.
2022-10-19 08:00:07	kevr	we can just use calc for that
2022-10-19 08:00:55	mpan	tent405: !convert
2022-10-19 08:01:13	kevr	blasphemy
2022-10-19 08:02:15	tent405	!calc (128,000 * 60)/(14.4)
2022-10-19 08:02:15	phrik	tent405: Error: Invalid syntax: illegal construct Tuple
2022-10-19 08:02:23	tent405	!calc (128,000 * 60)/14.4
2022-10-19 08:02:24	phrik	tent405: Error: Invalid syntax: illegal construct Tuple
2022-10-19 08:02:30	⚡ 	tent405 sigh
2022-10-19 08:02:56	kevr	what the hell
2022-10-19 08:03:05	kevr	!calc (128000 / 60)/14.4
2022-10-19 08:03:05	phrik	kevr: 148.14814814814815
2022-10-19 08:03:13	⚡ 	tent405 tries to remember how long it used to take to download an mp3 album at 128k over dialup
2022-10-19 08:04:06	⚡ 	tent405 scoots to offtopic but not before downloading beer #2 (counting from 0 of course)
2022-10-19 08:04:26	mpan	kevr: comma
2022-10-19 08:04:40	⚡ 	kevr nods
2022-10-19 08:17:51	cyphertite	tent405:  no, the latest kernel does not break zfs
2022-10-19 08:19:22	cyphertite	6.0.2-arch1-1
2022-10-19 08:19:30	tent405	cyphertite: i just did an upgrade less than an hour ago and it did, no matter, i'm switching to lts anyways
2022-10-19 08:20:24	cyphertite	I booted into zfs ~10 mins with no issues
2022-10-19 08:20:37	cyphertite	~10 mins *ago
2022-10-19 08:27:17	tent405	cyphertite: https://termbin.com/7nty the make.log referenced there either no longer or didn't exist
2022-10-19 08:45:33	tent405	Oh this is just really convenient. I ran a grub-mkconfig without also a grub install and now my system is bootlooping and landing on bios. 
2022-10-19 08:45:58	tent405	That's exactly what I needed at 3am when I should have been to sleep 4 hours ago
2022-10-19 08:47:43	tent405	Ofc I know the fix it is just too early in the morning
2022-10-19 09:00:58	HumanLove	fish making alacrity slow.. is there alternatives?
2022-10-19 09:05:06	zan	bash
2022-10-19 09:05:33	zan	Sorry, not being helpful. Moving this screen awai
2022-10-19 09:07:07	HumanLove	zan: i see that thanks.
2022-10-19 09:15:24	jelle	define "slow"
2022-10-19 09:22:03	dviola	HumanLove: x11 or wayland?
2022-10-19 09:24:28	cyphertite	tent405:  that happened because you need to be running zfs-dkms 2.1.6-1, from here:  https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/zfs-dkms
2022-10-19 09:24:30	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - zfs-dkms (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-10-19 09:26:10	cyphertite	^updated on 4 Oct
2022-10-19 09:26:28	tent405	Well I broke my machine anyways by running grub-mkconfig and not following it up with a grub-install. Saul Good though. I didn't need my system on anyways. 
2022-10-19 09:27:47	dviola	tent405: that's an easy fix
2022-10-19 09:27:53	tent405	Shure is
2022-10-19 09:28:43	tent405	But not for right now. Right now I'm going to fall asleep reading a book on POSIX. Gnight and gobbles. 
2022-10-19 09:29:17	cyphertite	tent405:  however, the order is grub-install... then grub-mkconfig... :D
2022-10-19 10:54:16	HumanLove	dviola: x11
2022-10-19 10:59:20	dviola	HumanLove: look at wezterm, although I don't know how it compares to alacritty in terms of performance
2022-10-19 10:59:21	ishan	hello everyone!
2022-10-19 11:00:04	dviola	HumanLove: it should have the same featureset of alacritty and some more
2022-10-19 11:00:06	ishan	I have a 5600G machine and a i5 12400 machine. No discrete gpus on either of those. Both machines are at 2-5% cpu usage, no gpu usage. i5 12400 consumes ~30W and 5600G machine consumes 90W. CPU governor on both is set to `performance` 
2022-10-19 11:02:53	bluetail	Cool
2022-10-19 11:03:07	bluetail	My 5800x3D setup consumes also at least 90 watt
2022-10-19 11:03:26	ishan	It's too much lol 
2022-10-19 11:03:31	ishan	i5 12400 is at 30W idle 
2022-10-19 11:03:33	bluetail	Right now I'm at 200 Watt idle
2022-10-19 11:03:37	ishan	and that is with 2 10TB HDDs 
2022-10-19 11:03:39	bluetail	But its measuring the whole table
2022-10-19 11:04:02	ishan	But anyway actuallyy, This is not a fair comparison. I'll retest after I move programs from my 5600G machine to i5 12400 machine 
2022-10-19 11:04:15	ishan	bluetail: Actually you are right!
2022-10-19 11:04:16	bluetail	the intel machines are usually more efficient
2022-10-19 11:04:23	bluetail	wait, I am?
2022-10-19 11:04:31	ishan	yes and I am dumb
2022-10-19 11:04:48	ishan	I forgot I was reading the wattage from a smart plug to which my whole networking stuff is connected to 
2022-10-19 11:04:52	ishan	and smart plug is reading 100W. 
2022-10-19 11:05:07	ishan	My switch reports, ~25W is going to power the cameras and access points 
2022-10-19 11:05:19	bluetail	They can be off up to 20watt
2022-10-19 11:05:21	ishan	so the actual power usage of 5600G machine is probably the same as the intel machine
2022-10-19 11:06:04	bluetail	if you want efficient... look at apple m1
2022-10-19 11:06:09	bluetail	mac mini m1 *
2022-10-19 11:06:22	bluetail	I measure 4 watt and its stronger than many cpus in single core
2022-10-19 11:06:35	bluetail	its also inaudible
2022-10-19 11:07:26	jelle	sadly it's ARM
2022-10-19 11:07:35	bluetail	Yea sadly
2022-10-19 11:07:47	bluetail	And I feel the display output is different
2022-10-19 11:08:33	bluetail	You could capture the difference of the actual video output. I'm sure you would find something. But not with a screenshot
2022-10-19 11:11:23	bluetail	different in a negative way. I cannot stand the difference (yet). Or rather, I can only use it in a limited way. Cause in general, colors are too vivid and I would require to dial down saturation. But its more difficult than that. I also felt that there is something like dithering going on at the hardware level which I do not have proof for
2022-10-19 11:13:03	bluetail	Even when running linux on m1
2022-10-19 11:25:57	demonicmaniac	i mean linux on m1 is fine if you just want to use it to ssh into something else or use vim
2022-10-19 11:26:01	demonicmaniac	acceleration is still a joke
2022-10-19 11:27:52	dviola	demonicmaniac: lina is making good progress on that
2022-10-19 11:28:53	demonicmaniac	i am not dissing the people putting the work in but it's still nowhere near actually usable as a desktop with all the limitations for linux on bare metal
2022-10-19 11:38:47	dviola	demonicmaniac: yeah, GL 2.1 is expected to take a few months... that should be enough to accelerate the desktop, vulkan will probably take years...
2022-10-19 11:40:46	dviola	I wonder if we'll see the driver by 6.2 or 6.3... 6.1 has the initial rust code
2022-10-19 11:42:00	dviola	upstreamed I mean (the GPU driver is written in rust)
2022-10-19 11:43:13	dviola	pretty sure phoronix will comment as soon as it lands :D
2022-10-19 11:51:43	petronny	Hi, I would like to ask how the links dbs are generated for the official repositories?
2022-10-19 11:52:49	petronny	repo-add only generates the package db and files db.
2022-10-19 12:04:57	ccha	hello, what is the meaning of color blocks in the motd of iso image?
2022-10-19 12:05:57	ccha	I don't remember the presence before (long time ago)
2022-10-19 12:29:05	nl6720	ccha: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/archiso/-/commit/0db3a42fb872b5e2545cc408435ae82a69dec7c5 only wCPO knows
2022-10-19 12:29:07	phrik	Title: configs/releng: Improve motd (0db3a42f) · Commits · Arch Linux / archiso · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2022-10-19 12:34:53	Foxboron	nl6720: should maybe remove it by now :p
2022-10-19 12:35:24	nl6720	it'll be removed once someone deciphers it
2022-10-19 12:36:39	ccha	isn't it only for April?
2022-10-19 12:37:39	nl6720	sometimes April lasts more than a month :P
2022-10-19 12:52:26	wCPO	hint octals ;)
2022-10-19 13:40:07	alad	in arch linux every month is april
2022-10-19 13:41:15	BrainDamage	!grab alad
2022-10-19 13:41:15	phrik	BrainDamage: Tada!
2022-10-19 13:41:26	mefistofeles	hah
2022-10-19 13:46:26	NetSysFire	alad are you smoking math again?
2022-10-19 13:47:16	NetSysFire	but yeah, the motd should probably be undone
2022-10-19 13:48:21	nl6720	now you sound just like those banana haters
2022-10-19 13:48:59	⚡ 	thrice is surprised noone has respun the october iso, given 5.19.12's terrible borkenness
2022-10-19 13:49:24	nl6720	no one has asked for it. and IIRC it wasn't broken for me
2022-10-19 13:49:39	thrice	if you have a new intel chip, you'll have a real bad time
2022-10-19 13:49:47	astralc	you always install latest kernel (or -lts) anyway
2022-10-19 13:49:47	NetSysFire	nl6720: thats because i suggested the bananas in the first place
2022-10-19 13:49:52	Foxboron	nl6720: it was quite broken
2022-10-19 13:49:52	NetSysFire	astralc: not on the archiso
2022-10-19 13:50:10	thrice	no, booting results in a non-functional screen
2022-10-19 13:50:14	nl6720	thrice: an yet, no one has asked for a new iso
2022-10-19 13:50:18	astralc	5.19.12 that borked that you can't install?
2022-10-19 13:50:23	NetSysFire	apparently, yes
2022-10-19 13:50:29	jelle	thrice: highly depends on your panel and igpu
2022-10-19 13:50:57	thrice	ok
2022-10-19 13:51:29	jelle	the issue was a bit overblown
2022-10-19 13:51:41	thrice	it's also fixed
2022-10-19 13:51:43	jelle	nonetheleness respin would have been good
2022-10-19 13:52:01	nl6720	too late in the month for it now
2022-10-19 13:52:51	AlexC	it's never too late
2022-10-19 14:25:11	HumanLove	How to use full memeory for archlinux i got 8gb ram 
2022-10-19 14:25:23	jelle	HumanLove: it already does
2022-10-19 14:25:39	HumanLove	alacrity is slow
2022-10-19 14:25:49	HumanLove	sometimes vim is slow
2022-10-19 14:26:04	HumanLove	fish is also slow.
2022-10-19 14:26:12	jelle	HumanLove: we cannot help with "is slow"
2022-10-19 14:26:20	HumanLove	i that hdd i dont have ssd
2022-10-19 14:26:35	HumanLove	how to make it fast
2022-10-19 14:26:36	Namarrgon	using more ram won't magically speed them up
2022-10-19 14:26:53	Namarrgon	get faster hardware
2022-10-19 14:26:53	HumanLove	how to make it fast. is there way?
2022-10-19 14:27:01	HumanLove	you mean ssd?
2022-10-19 14:27:24	HumanLove	or all components you talking about?
2022-10-19 14:27:30	jelle	HumanLove: stop, roll, sit down for half an hour and think about describing what "is slow"
2022-10-19 14:27:44	HumanLove	its slow that why i have asked
2022-10-19 14:28:00	⚡ 	jelle facepalms
2022-10-19 14:28:12	HumanLove	lol hehe
2022-10-19 14:28:48	HumanLove	okay
2022-10-19 14:29:02	Namarrgon	if you can't describe it then show us
2022-10-19 14:29:54	HumanLove	what you want to look?
2022-10-19 14:30:12	Namarrgon	the part that demonstrates how slow it is
2022-10-19 14:30:57	HumanLove	when i get back. after sometime when backlight dim.
2022-10-19 14:31:07	HumanLove	when i get back. after sometime when backlight is dim.&
2022-10-19 14:31:49	HumanLove	if catching it
2022-10-19 14:31:55	HumanLove	if you catching it.
2022-10-19 14:31:58	astralc	screen record instead
2022-10-19 14:32:06	Namarrgon	what is your native language?
2022-10-19 14:32:15	HumanLove	hindi
2022-10-19 14:32:24	HumanLove	india
2022-10-19 14:32:29	HumanLove	indian
2022-10-19 14:33:04	⚡ 	HumanLove bbl
2022-10-19 14:33:45	solsTiCe	hi. ubuntu 22.10 is about to be released with gnome 43. and we're still with 42 on arch. Is there some blocking problem?
2022-10-19 14:35:03	solsTiCe	oh: "We have decided that GNOME 43 is a bad release so will not update until GNOME 44." says allan
2022-10-19 14:35:29	AlexC	thats april's fool
2022-10-19 14:35:34	AlexC	obviously lel
2022-10-19 14:36:17	solsTiCe	if that's joke then, what?
2022-10-19 14:36:27	jelle	solsTiCe: where do you even get that from
2022-10-19 14:36:37	AlexC	it comes, when it's ready
2022-10-19 14:36:41	AlexC	sooo simple
2022-10-19 14:37:28	solsTiCe	https://imgur.com/a/dilCw85 ah it has been worse alreaddy
2022-10-19 14:37:30	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2022-10-19 14:37:54	AlexC	wtf, who tracks this on a graph lol
2022-10-19 14:38:13	solsTiCe	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=280468
2022-10-19 14:38:14	phrik	Title: GNOME 43 in Arch / Applications & Desktop Environments / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-10-19 14:38:38	⚡ 	jelle sighs
2022-10-19 14:38:57	AlexC	ahhahahhahaahhaha
2022-10-19 14:39:03	AlexC	good one tho
2022-10-19 14:40:56	jelle	solsTiCe: there is one person packaging gnome, so it takes a while and the libsoup issue is kinda annoying
2022-10-19 14:42:05	solsTiCe	ok
2022-10-19 14:43:20	coherence42	And someone replies in that thread "rumors say gnome 44 is bad too." :D
2022-10-19 14:45:10	bluetail	If I go to the TTY CTRL+ALT+F1, my energy consumption seems to raise to 380 Watt and it was 150 before. What could be the cause?
2022-10-19 14:47:07	bluetail	could it be some amdgpu issue?
2022-10-19 14:49:40	bluetail	My guess is that the GPU clocks are getting maxed 
2022-10-19 14:54:35	astralc	brightness?
2022-10-19 14:55:07	wCPO	230watt of brightness? 
2022-10-19 14:55:45	jelle	easy to check imo
2022-10-19 14:55:56	jelle	inspect GPU clocks with or without wayland ??? !next
2022-10-19 15:00:42	solsTiCe	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/libsoup_3:_Part_One#Detailed_Description the libsoup issue is explained there
2022-10-19 15:00:43	phrik	Title: Changes/libsoup 3: Part One - Fedora Project Wiki (at fedoraproject.org)
2022-10-19 15:27:23	bluetail	wCPO no. In the DE, wattage is 150w, when switching to the TTY through CTRL+ALT+F1, it jumps to 350w and I dont understand why
2022-10-19 15:27:59	jelle	bluetail: so get a tool to read out your gpu :)
2022-10-19 15:36:14	linuxdonor	I have this script in ~/.local/bin/xdg-open (higher precedence in $PATH than /usr/bin/xdg-open) https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sattopadhyay/bin/main/xdg-open, the issue is when i click "open original" on any image in discord, a black imv window opens up, however in notify-send the proper url is reflected. if i run this script in the terminal, it works fine. ie: `xdg-open "URL of discord image
2022-10-19 15:36:17	linuxdonor	obtained by right click -> copy link"` works fine, imv opens up the image. How do I troubleshoot? I want imv to open the image when i click on open original in the discord app.
2022-10-19 15:37:05	linuxdonor	the other stuff works fine, eg: if i open youtube links, they open up in mpv just fine.
2022-10-19 15:43:05	linuxdonor	I just tried replacing imv with swayimg in the script, works fine when run from terminal but doesn't work when run from discord
2022-10-19 15:49:46	linuxdonor	now what's interesting is that adding a nohup before the whet part makes this script work fine...
2022-10-19 15:50:51	astralc	xwayland bullshit?
2022-10-19 15:51:56	linuxdonor	I have no clue, maybe
2022-10-19 15:55:14	ccha	Does ILoveCandy have more than the progess bar change?
2022-10-19 15:55:29	pantsu	no
2022-10-19 15:58:19	bluetail	jelle yea. GPU is under 98% load when using the TTY. What the heck. Could it be that I downloaded a miner from the AUR?
2022-10-19 15:58:53	jelle	mining only on TTY seems weird :p
2022-10-19 15:59:25	bluetail	But why would the graphics pipe be 98% full only on the tty
2022-10-19 15:59:53	bluetail	I mean I dont remember that during the installation
2022-10-19 16:00:19	jelle	welcome to the world of software
2022-10-19 16:00:49	bluetail	that aint no good
2022-10-19 16:09:23	bluetail	jelle after I removed the linux-zen kernel  6.0.2.zen1-1 and installed 6.0.2-arch1-1 , the problem is gone
2022-10-19 16:09:34	bluetail	I dont understand it
2022-10-19 16:09:42	jelle	bluetail: kernel bug
2022-10-19 16:09:45	jelle	!next
2022-10-19 16:09:45	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-10-19 16:10:19	linuxdonor	h4rd3n3d: yeah i tried that quite a few times, never worked. appending "nohup" or "footclient" before the wget statement makes it work
2022-10-19 16:11:40	bluetail	jelle of course. But should I make the effort to find the right bug tracker, report it, just to find out its fixed soon? I'd much prefer to write them on IRC or so...
2022-10-19 16:11:42	linuxdonor	https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sattopadhyay/bin/main/xdg-open so this is the latest version which works
2022-10-19 16:11:57	jelle	bluetail: how will they know what the issue is
2022-10-19 16:12:10	bluetail	they wont. How would I be able to find out?
2022-10-19 16:12:40	jelle	either you ignore it, or you determine what the issue is by doing a git bisect of the kernel which is painful :p
2022-10-19 16:12:58	bluetail	Okay. Thanks. I wont bisect a kernel
2022-10-19 16:39:33	linuxdonor	sorry, my mistake missed that :)
2022-10-19 16:45:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-10-19 16:46:01	ℹ 	Phr33d0m_ es conocido ahora como Phr33d0m
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2022-10-19 16:48:32	Numero	i'm trying to understand what's gone wrong such that my arch desktop machine has one core at 100% all the time. top isnt showing it; xosview shows one care in 100% iowait 
2022-10-19 16:49:01	Numero	s/care/core/
2022-10-19 16:49:45	pantsu	htop, enable kernel threads
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2022-10-19 16:50:02	Numero	and wierdly, htop only makes a blank screen
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2022-10-19 16:50:22	Numero	pantsu: ^^
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2022-10-19 16:52:44	Numero	pantsu: and it won't accept a "q" to quit or a ctl-c
2022-10-19 16:53:40	pantsu	dmesg -H
2022-10-19 16:54:12	ℹ 	fling es conocido ahora como narrator
2022-10-19 16:54:26	Numero	pantsu: https://paste.rs/m62
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2022-10-19 16:54:57	pantsu	that is far from the entire output
2022-10-19 16:55:09	pantsu	and I want you to read it
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2022-10-19 16:55:14	pantsu	(hence the -H)
2022-10-19 16:55:21	Numero	pantsu: oops, sorry
2022-10-19 16:56:55	Numero	pantsu: corner of my screen where the colon was was blocked from view :)
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2022-10-19 16:59:25	Numero	h4rd3n3d: pretty newly updated. linux-firmware 20220913.f09bebf-1 is installed. Am sure it has rebooted since last update.
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2022-10-19 18:03:24	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1417 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1417 normals)
2022-10-19 17:00:29	Irulan	Hello. I have a problem with gnome (since monday I guess, less than 2 weeks for sure) : when I press the super key to get the dash, and then type my search, the first keypress is doubled (in the search box)
2022-10-19 17:01:10	Irulan	this does not happens if I click in the search box before typing
2022-10-19 17:01:36	Numero	pantsu: here's where something went sideways: https://paste.rs/kDB
2022-10-19 17:05:13	Numero	h4rd3n3d: it does
2022-10-19 17:07:57	Numero	in googling for "kernel BUG at mm/zswap.c" i am seeing reference to possible SSD problems
2022-10-19 17:09:05	Numero	h4rd3n3d: updated as of maybe a week ago. can do it again.
2022-10-19 17:10:01	Numero	h4rd3n3d: trying now.
2022-10-19 17:25:21	Numero	h4rd3n3d: machine survived a reboot - scared me there because it just sat in console mode after saying "filesystem is clea" - i presume maybe it was running fsck on its big partition. then i got the login screen.
2022-10-19 17:26:56	Numero	only thing is, now it's sitting here with all four cores active but only summing to about one full one
2022-10-19 17:27:35	Numero	baloo_file_extractor seems active
2022-10-19 17:27:55	gehidore	whatever that is
2022-10-19 17:28:19	gehidore	ahh file indexing for kde/plasma
2022-10-19 17:28:34	gehidore	yeah that could spike cpu for a hot minute
2022-10-19 17:28:42	Numero	gehidore: as long as that completes eventually, okay
2022-10-19 17:29:19	Scimmia	if you don't use it, disable it with balooctl
2022-10-19 17:29:20	gehidore	it'll complete when indexing is done, suspect there's a way to turn it off which would make searches with kde's search function very slow 
2022-10-19 17:29:37	gehidore	yeah... that!
2022-10-19 17:29:42	⚡ 	gehidore sees himself out
2022-10-19 17:31:38	Numero	i'll let it run - it's just that when you're dealing with a system that has one core railed up and a kernel big showing in your dmesg, after update/reboot you get skittish
2022-10-19 17:59:09	thurstylark	I want to make a bash script that will wait until a new block device shows up, and then tell me what /dev/ path it's at. What's the best way to go about that detection?
2022-10-19 17:59:32	thurstylark	I assume monitoring udev in some way, but not sure what my options are :P
2022-10-19 17:59:47	artefact	udev hook?
2022-10-19 18:00:51	jelle	udev is the wy
2022-10-19 18:00:56	jelle	*way
2022-10-19 18:02:48	⚡ 	gehidore wonders if a .path would catch it
2022-10-19 18:03:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-10-19 18:07:01	thurstylark	My goal is to massage it into a function and add it to my .bashrc, so if there's any way to avoid having extra stuff like rules and other scripts involved, that would be ideal...
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2022-10-19 18:07:19	kevr	any block device, or a particular device?
2022-10-19 18:07:25	thurstylark	maybe monitor the output of `udevadm monitor`?
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2022-10-19 18:07:29	thurstylark	kevr: any device
2022-10-19 18:07:50	thurstylark	basically, I want to lazy my way out of `lsblk` *plug device in* `lsblk` :P
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2022-10-19 18:09:07	kevr	if you want it programmatically you could probably target the devices with inotify, as long as you know the schema
2022-10-19 18:09:25	kevr	i think?
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2022-10-19 18:12:18	kevr	or the monitor, yea, i suppose
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2022-10-19 18:16:08	thurstylark	Ya know what, a simple `inotifywait -m -e create /dev/` and maybe some fiddling with --format might do the trick for me...
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2022-10-19 18:17:06	thurstylark	gives me more than just block devices too :D
2022-10-19 18:17:26	GuiToris	hello, has anyone tried IGdm (instagram messenger)?
2022-10-19 18:17:39	mefistofeles	!annyone
2022-10-19 18:17:40	phrik	mefistofeles: Is that… Is that really a word?
2022-10-19 18:17:42	mefistofeles	!anyone
2022-10-19 18:17:42	phrik	Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
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2022-10-19 18:47:20	Momentum	is there a way to prevent xdg-user-dirs from creating those directories in my ~ ?
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2022-10-19 18:49:27	Namarrgon	"man 5 user-dirs.conf"
2022-10-19 18:49:32	kevr	thurstylark: :)
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2022-10-19 18:58:30	Momentum	Namarrgon: i don't even have it installed, sadly. must be a different thing creating those dirs then?
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2022-10-19 18:58:31	ℹ 	radu2424 es conocido ahora como radu242
2022-10-19 18:58:47	Namarrgon	are you using a DE?
2022-10-19 18:58:56	Momentum	no
2022-10-19 18:59:02	Momentum	a wayland WM
2022-10-19 18:59:27	Momentum	well yes i guess?
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2022-10-19 19:00:29	gehidore	wut
2022-10-19 19:00:37	keir	Momentum: what directories are being made?
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2022-10-19 19:01:30	Momentum	keir: only ~/Desktop and ~/Downloads. and i have firefox download files in a different directory
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2022-10-19 19:02:02	keir	Momentum: knew it would be those two. it's Firefox making those directories.
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2022-10-19 19:02:28	Momentum	shit
2022-10-19 19:02:33	Momentum	sorry
2022-10-19 19:02:33	pulec	so I connected 3m usb3 extension and now:
2022-10-19 19:02:38	pulec	usb 1-3-port1: Cannot enable. Maybe the USB cable is bad?
2022-10-19 19:02:44	thurstylark	There we go :D https://git.thurstylark.com/dotfiles/bashrc/src/branch/master/.bashrc.d/newfiles.bash
2022-10-19 19:02:45	phrik	Title: dotfiles/bashrc: Configuration for bash and readline (for use with vcsh) - .bashrc.d/newfiles.bash at master - bashrc - Gitea (at git.thurstylark.com)
2022-10-19 19:02:48	pulec	can I limit it to usb2 somehow?
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2022-10-19 19:06:47	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1429 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1429 normals)
2022-10-19 19:06:49	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-10-19 19:06:49	keir	Momentum: did you say your download directory is set differently in Firefox?
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2022-10-19 19:07:14	Momentum	yup which makes it really weird
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2022-10-19 19:07:43	Momentum	good thing you found a way to reproduce the behavior though. i thought it was random
2022-10-19 19:07:52	Momentum	might be helpful for a bug report
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2022-10-19 19:15:48	jirido	Hi, Protonvpn-cli and -gui has networkmanager and nm-applet as dependensies.. I use systemd-networked and systemd-resolved and iwd.. Is there a way I can activate NM without disturbing the functionality of my current setup?
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2022-10-19 19:18:34	glitsj16	Momentum: keir: what happens when you start firefox via `XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="" XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR="" firefox`?
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2022-10-19 19:20:34	Momentum	glitsj16: what do you mean what happens? those directories don't get generated i guess?
2022-10-19 19:21:07	keir	glitsj16: no impact.
2022-10-19 19:21:21	glitsj16	Momentum: that's what i would expect, but is that indeed the case?
2022-10-19 19:21:24	dandels	I missed the start of the convo, curious what the issue is
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2022-10-19 19:21:58	keir	i have a feeling firefox isn't respecting preferences. since Momentum has set his download directory differently and Firefox still creates ~/Downloads anyway
2022-10-19 19:22:02	Momentum	glitsj16: i just removed those dirs and tried your command
2022-10-19 19:22:09	glitsj16	keir: okay
2022-10-19 19:22:38	keir	dandels: firefox creates empty ~/Desktop and ~/Downloads when you open about:preferences
2022-10-19 19:22:51	saucyfox	jirido: I'm not a protonvpn user so not sure if this is accurate or if it's out of date, but supposedly you can use it with any standard openvpn client rather than using their client https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ProtonVPN#OpenVPN_command-line_interface
2022-10-19 19:22:52	phrik	Title: ProtonVPN - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-19 19:23:05	saucyfox	I think they also support wireguard too 
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2022-10-19 19:24:01	dandels	Okay. And I assume the "always ask you where to save files" setting is checked. Could the desktop environment be setting the paths for the directories?
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2022-10-19 19:24:24	keir	dandels: this has already ruled out
2022-10-19 19:24:34	keir	already been ruled out
2022-10-19 19:24:42	dandels	Got it. Interesting :p
2022-10-19 19:24:48	Momentum	dandels: yes it is checked
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2022-10-19 19:25:05	keir	Momentum and i can reproduce it
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2022-10-19 19:35:16	jirido	saucyfox: yeah I can but I like to switch to the least used server with p2p support when the server I use is to loaded. But I guess systemd must come with some inconviniences also.. right
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2022-10-19 19:40:10	vitali64	Hey!
2022-10-19 19:40:35	vitali64	I most of the time get the same error when installing packages:
2022-10-19 19:40:36	vitali64	:: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/wallutils-5.12.4-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)).
2022-10-19 19:40:45	vitali64	How can I fix that?
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2022-10-19 19:41:22	ramblebamble	vitali64, PGP keys are regularly rotated, there might be a package that you missed installing
2022-10-19 19:41:33	vitali64	Huh?
2022-10-19 19:41:46	⚡ 	vitali64 runs pacman -Syu
2022-10-19 19:41:50	ramblebamble	do you have the package archlinux-keyring 20220927-1  ?
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2022-10-19 19:42:07	⚡ 	vitali64 checks
2022-10-19 19:42:09	thurstylark	!give vitali64 fixkeyring
2022-10-19 19:42:10	phrik	vitali64: Your keyring issue would be probably fixed by: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
2022-10-19 19:42:21	vitali64	Heh.
2022-10-19 19:42:22	thurstylark	sometimes you have to force the keyring to install first
2022-10-19 19:42:28	ramblebamble	also if your mirrorlist is not up to date they might host packages signed with outdated keys.
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2022-10-19 19:42:34	vitali64	Package isn't found.
2022-10-19 19:42:42	vitali64	Guess I have to ask artix about that.
2022-10-19 19:42:44	thurstylark	wait, wut?
2022-10-19 19:42:46	thurstylark	oh
2022-10-19 19:42:48	thurstylark	!notarch
2022-10-19 19:42:49	phrik	https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2022-10-19 19:42:51	◣	lucasta (~lucasta@177.181.2.63) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-10-19 19:42:55	coruja	boo ;)
2022-10-19 19:43:00	ramblebamble	there you have it then
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2022-10-19 19:43:15	ramblebamble	Why? Do non-arch distros, baed on arch not install keyring?
2022-10-19 19:43:24	◣	colo (~colo@user/colo) ha salido (Quit: Bye.)
2022-10-19 19:43:34	vitali64	Well, I reinstalled artix-keyring.
2022-10-19 19:43:47	astralc	!artix
2022-10-19 19:43:47	phrik	Artix is based on Arch Linux but does things differently, so it isn't (and can't be) supported here. Please ask for IRC support in #artix on libera.chat. See also !notarch.
2022-10-19 19:43:57	vitali64	But the same problem. I'll ask #artix.
2022-10-19 19:43:58	thurstylark	Yeah, you should definitely go ask the people that actually know about what you're using. Getting artix support here is useless.
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2022-10-19 19:44:34	vitali64	Fun fact:
2022-10-19 19:44:35	vitali64	community/alpine-keyring 2.4-1
2022-10-19 19:44:41	vitali64	Heh.
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2022-10-19 19:45:02	alad	there's debian keyring too
2022-10-19 19:45:03	alad	see: containers
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2022-10-19 19:45:22	vitali64	That IRC channel was surprisingly very active though. :-)
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2022-10-19 19:45:47	keir	why is that "surprisingly"?
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2022-10-19 19:46:54	vitali64	:-)
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2022-10-20 17:44:31	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-10-20 17:44:31	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1447 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1447 normals)
2022-10-20 04:56:52	Strykar	if the server is down, you cannot poll it for anything
2022-10-20 04:57:44	uuidNuniq	i believe is is down. the copper was the server i connected before the current zinc 
2022-10-20 04:58:22	Edu4rdSHL	I wonder, 1) how's that related to ArchLinux, and 2) who cares about a uptime in a IRC server that you doesn't even manage
2022-10-20 04:58:44	thumbs	the server was ... "deleted"?
2022-10-20 04:58:48	⚡ 	Strykar agrees with Edu4rdSHL but thought Namarrgon wasn't looking
2022-10-20 04:59:24	uuidNuniq	Edu4rdSHL: i was disconnected, that may have 2 reasons : 1) my arch network issue (dhcp...etc) 2) irc server issue 
2022-10-20 04:59:47	Edu4rdSHL	And you are connected now to a different server... and it's just working so...
2022-10-20 05:00:02	Strykar	uuidNuniq: set your client to connect to the CNAME irc.libera.chat and leave your server worries behind
2022-10-20 05:00:22	uuidNuniq	Edu4rdSHL: yeah, i mean what if it is my network issue? some bug or whatever 
2022-10-20 05:00:50	Strykar	you wouldn't be posing these Qs if it were a network issue
2022-10-20 05:01:09	uuidNuniq	Strykar: it is irc.libera.chat already ? 
2022-10-20 05:01:15	thumbs	servers are taken out of rotation all the time
2022-10-20 05:01:51	Strykar	Internet Rotational Chat
2022-10-20 05:05:27	uuidNuniq	log rotation 
2022-10-20 07:00:56	Edu4rdSHL	It does?
2022-10-20 07:02:12	thursdaylark	It doesn't
2022-10-20 07:03:16	dostoyevsky2	Not sure what's going on with my `pacman -Syu' but I have to resort to `sed -i -e 's/^SigLevel.*/SigLevel = Never/' /etc/pacman.conf'
2022-10-20 07:03:28	Edu4rdSHL	Probably
2022-10-20 07:03:34	Edu4rdSHL	Read the topic
2022-10-20 07:03:51	Edu4rdSHL	Also you didn't say anything, not the error you're getting 
2022-10-20 07:06:01	dostoyevsky2	Edu4rdSHL: I was following these suggestions https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing -- but I was getting a `marginal trust error' even after updating all the keys
2022-10-20 07:06:03	phrik	Title: pacman/Package signing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-20 07:06:33	Edu4rdSHL	Do you have third-part repos added?
2022-10-20 07:06:37	thursdaylark	dostoyevsky2: restore your pacman.conf so that it's doing sig checking again, trigger the error, and post it to a paste service
2022-10-20 08:49:41	amosbird	Hello! Is there any terminal emulator that support popping up a file chooser dialog when the other end of the tty is in rz mode?
2022-10-20 09:21:38	novns	amosbird, not sure, but screen have some "zmodem catch" feature
2022-10-20 09:21:51	novns	https://www.gnu.org/software/screen/manual/html_node/Zmodem.html
2022-10-20 09:21:52	phrik	Title: Screen User’s Manual: Zmodem (at www.gnu.org)
2022-10-20 09:22:56	amosbird	novns: screen is not a terminal emulator
2022-10-20 09:23:16	novns	yes, but recvcmd can be scripted there
2022-10-20 09:23:20	borked	i could use some help... i noticed that hibernation to encrypted swap had stopped working, and realized it was due to the uuid for my swap partition changing (i have no clue why this would have happened)
2022-10-20 09:23:33	novns	amosbird, so you can make it pop up a file chooser
2022-10-20 09:24:43	borked	so i booted into archiso and now my system is completely messed up. i can unlock my root and swap partitions, but systemd-resolved and systemd-timesyncd fail to connect stdout to the journal socket, and then i end up in an infinite loop due to a variety of errors
2022-10-20 09:24:55	novns	I don't know about any terminal emulators that support zmodem
2022-10-20 09:25:36	borked	if i arch-chroot into the system, i can't even `su - <username>`: i get a "can't change directories to /home/username: permission denied" and "/usr/bin/zsh: permission denied"
2022-10-20 09:28:30	borked	to clarify on "i end up in an infinite loop..."; lightdm fails to start and just keeps restarting, due to failing to list accounts
2022-10-20 09:28:33	astralc	what did you do in archiso? resized partitions?
2022-10-20 09:28:58	borked	astralc: no, i simply updated /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab with the correct uuid
2022-10-20 09:29:24	borked	IIRC i had some swap error a few months back and remade the filesystem
2022-10-20 09:29:46	astralc	maybe you fstab is incorrect somehow?
2022-10-20 09:29:50	astralc	*your
2022-10-20 09:30:19	novns	borked, what is the ownership and the access mode of that /home/username
2022-10-20 09:30:22	borked	i've regenerated is as part of debugging
2022-10-20 09:30:42	novns	borked, stat /home/username
2022-10-20 09:30:48	borked	novns: ownership and permissions look correct all the way down. root:root on /home, user:user and 0755 on /home/user
2022-10-20 09:31:11	borked	it's not a permissions issue, it's something else entirely, and i'm lost
2022-10-20 09:31:21	astralc	and on /usr/bin/zsh?
2022-10-20 09:31:24	borked	0755
2022-10-20 09:31:30	novns	borked, any errors in dmesg and/or journal?
2022-10-20 09:32:09	borked	nothing that was screaming out at me
2022-10-20 09:32:15	borked	journalctl had quite a bit
2022-10-20 09:32:38	astralc	you didn't touch sudoers? I don't remember if it can also affect the su - usage if incorrect
2022-10-20 09:32:38	borked	first two issues were systemd-resolved.service and systemd-timesyncd.service not being able to connect stdout to the journal socket ("permission denied")
2022-10-20 09:32:50	borked	astralc: root doesn't need sudo
2022-10-20 09:33:03	borked	and regardless, no, it hasn't been touched in years
2022-10-20 09:35:11	novns	borked, I have no ideas except messed permissions, it's hard to see without the broken system right here
2022-10-20 09:35:23	borked	it's really not permissions
2022-10-20 09:35:33	borked	i've statted everything, it looks normal
2022-10-20 09:35:46	novns	yes, but something deny it
2022-10-20 09:36:03	novns	*denies
2022-10-20 09:36:07	astralc	what is fstab for root?
2022-10-20 09:36:15	astralc	for /
2022-10-20 09:37:02	borked	going to have to type it out, sec
2022-10-20 09:37:11	novns	borked, any selinux, apparmor etc there?
2022-10-20 09:37:23	borked	novns: no selinux/apparmor
2022-10-20 09:38:03	borked	!paste
2022-10-20 09:38:03	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-10-20 09:38:09	borked	!rs
2022-10-20 09:38:10	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2022-10-20 09:39:03	borked	astralc: https://paste.rs/xEf
2022-10-20 09:39:25	borked	generated via genfstab (manually commented out swap because i thought that could have been causing the issues)
2022-10-20 09:41:31	novns	borked, lsblk -f
2022-10-20 09:41:47	novns	is there any other partition labeled ROOT
2022-10-20 09:42:17	novns	*root
2022-10-20 09:42:44	borked	novns: nope. https://paste.rs/0La
2022-10-20 09:42:51	astralc	you are using /dev/mapper path, so using the full path should be ok
2022-10-20 09:44:16	borked	astralc: sure, but that doesn't seem related to the issues
2022-10-20 09:44:28	borked	since the disk is unlocked successfully
2022-10-20 09:44:37	astralc	did you run fsck on the partition?
2022-10-20 09:44:48	borked	so clearly the label works
2022-10-20 09:45:14	borked	no, just on the boot partition (nvme0n1p1) because i saw messages stating that there were errors in dmesg
2022-10-20 09:45:46	borked	the "error" was just that the backup needed to be updated, the boot partition is working fine
2022-10-20 09:48:24	luigibu	hi there.. i got some issues on my installation... can some point me to the issues i should take care? https://dpaste.org/upGjR
2022-10-20 09:48:28	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/owRI.VRDAHxaD
2022-10-20 09:48:28	phrik	Title: dpaste/upGjR (Plain Code) (at dpaste.org)
2022-10-20 09:48:38	novns	borked, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=145601
2022-10-20 09:48:39	phrik	Title: Permission denied when logging in on fresh btrfs install / Installation / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-10-20 09:49:07	novns	borked, maybe it's related to btrfs subvolumes
2022-10-20 09:50:57	borked	novns: i'm not using subvolumes for that. my / is flat and on a single partition (except for /boot)
2022-10-20 09:52:01	borked	but that is the same exact error i'm getting
2022-10-20 09:52:10	borked	when trying to `su - user`
2022-10-20 09:52:47	astralc	fsck anyway
2022-10-20 09:53:03	borked	i forget, can i fsck when it's mounted?
2022-10-20 09:53:13	astralc	change the / permission (not recursive) when mounted?
2022-10-20 09:53:27	astralc	borked: no
2022-10-20 09:53:32	borked	then i'll need to dc
2022-10-20 09:53:55	novns	borked, does  su user  without - work?
2022-10-20 09:54:15	novns	can you change directory then
2022-10-20 09:55:32	dostoyevsky2	Is anyone using archlinux inside a container?  I am doing `FROM archlinux:latest // RUN pacman -Syu --noconfirm' and it's failing: `#5 0.354 error: failed retrieving file 'core.db' from geo.mirror.pkgbuild.com : getaddrinfo() thread failed to start'
2022-10-20 09:55:57	dostoyevsky2	I have been able to verify this problem on two different docker installations...
2022-10-20 09:56:15	dostoyevsky2	I can use older docker images, from last month, then the error message changes
2022-10-20 09:56:34	dostoyevsky2	(older versions are here: https://hub.docker.com/_/archlinux/tags)
2022-10-20 09:56:35	phrik	Title: Docker Hub (at hub.docker.com)
2022-10-20 09:57:16	novns	dostoyevsky2, what is the host? is it rhel?
2022-10-20 09:57:29	dostoyevsky2	novns: archlinux
2022-10-20 09:59:02	novns	dostoyevsky2, something stops getaddrinfo() from running, it is selinux usually
2022-10-20 10:00:40	novns	dostoyevsky2, https://github.com/lineageos4microg/docker-lineage-cicd/issues/300
2022-10-20 10:01:00	novns	there's some workaround, you can try it
2022-10-20 10:01:50	novns	or send a bugreport to docker
2022-10-20 10:04:05	borked	okay, btrfs-check found some errors: https://paste.rs/UDb
2022-10-20 10:05:00	novns	borked, does it work now?
2022-10-20 10:06:42	borked	rebooting to check,
2022-10-20 10:06:42	borked	in irc on my phone
2022-10-20 10:08:16	borked	nope, same systemd unit issues
2022-10-20 10:10:32	novns	borked, are permission still denied on su - user?
2022-10-20 10:11:31	novns	h4rd3n3d_, your nickname looks like a modern /dev entry
2022-10-20 10:15:01	borked	novns: yes, still getting permission denied
2022-10-20 10:16:23	borked	i'm chrooted into the disk
2022-10-20 10:16:41	borked	trying to su from root to my user
2022-10-20 10:18:36	borked	yeah. no idea why im unable to.
2022-10-20 10:19:04	novns	borked, does  su user  without - work?
2022-10-20 10:19:09	novns	can you change directory then
2022-10-20 10:19:23	borked	no, it doesnt
2022-10-20 10:19:31	novns	what does it say?
2022-10-20 10:19:48	novns	the same?
2022-10-20 10:19:53	borked	i forget; repairing the btrfs filesystem right now
2022-10-20 10:20:16	borked	the same, or possibly without the cd issue
2022-10-20 10:20:50	novns	borked, can you as root do cd there successfully and read files?
2022-10-20 10:21:12	borked	yes
2022-10-20 10:21:52	borked	yeah, without the login to su, i get: "su: failed to execute /use/bin/sh: Permission denied"
2022-10-20 10:22:02	borked	zsh*
2022-10-20 10:22:37	novns	borked, do you have strace?
2022-10-20 10:23:02	novns	try it, what syscall is failing actually
2022-10-20 10:24:07	novns	borked, or do your backups and reinstall everything from scratch
2022-10-20 10:25:13	manuels	Is there an mlocate library such that I can use the existing dB from my app? 
2022-10-20 10:26:44	borked	h4rd3n3d_: yes, i'm aware
2022-10-20 10:27:02	astralc	btrfs schizo commands, some on device, some on mounted
2022-10-20 10:28:36	borked	novns: strace tomfoolery: https://paste.rs/kiW
2022-10-20 10:29:02	borked	at this point i'm gonna call it, do a last minute backup and just reinstall tomorrow
2022-10-20 10:29:32	borked	i have no earthly idea what happened, this system has been chugging along fine for 5+ years
2022-10-20 10:30:00	astralc	`pacman -Qkkq` for good luck?
2022-10-20 10:31:26	borked	hmmmmmmm amd-ucode
2022-10-20 10:32:57	borked	and bluetooth
2022-10-20 10:33:15	borked	well, bluez-utilz
2022-10-20 10:33:15	novns	let's blame bluetooth!
2022-10-20 10:33:50	novns	borked, you can save the disk image to investigate later
2022-10-20 10:33:53	borked	sounds like a plan lol
2022-10-20 10:34:05	astralc	!backup
2022-10-20 10:34:06	phrik	There are only two kinds of people: Those who make backups, and those who will make backups.
2022-10-20 10:34:21	borked	novns: yeah, I've already copied it off to my nas
2022-10-20 10:36:08	borked	i have a user cron for backing up my home dir and my system is fully ansible'd. so i just need to do a last minute backup, push up any WIP git trees.... and then wipe the fisk
2022-10-20 10:36:12	borked	disk
2022-10-20 10:36:22	borked	stupid phone keyboards
2022-10-20 10:37:07	borked	anyway, goodnight people. thanks for bearing with me
2022-10-20 10:45:15	uuidNuniq	i just installed a fresh archlinux on usb drive.
2022-10-20 10:45:39	uuidNuniq	it is 1.3GB base + linux + vim + openssh
2022-10-20 10:46:44	astralc	how the performance?
2022-10-20 10:47:04	astralc	Hackerman.png
2022-10-20 10:47:15	uuidNuniq	laggy , anyway i used it to fix my arch in case
2022-10-20 11:16:44	tatsumaru	hey guys, I mistakenly entered my hdd encryption password three times incorrectly and now when I reboot it goes straight into some grub-like looking screen. Is my hdd dead?
2022-10-20 11:16:50	tatsumaru	do I need to reinstall?
2022-10-20 11:18:09	jsjolund	tatsumaru: what does the grub-like screen say?
2022-10-20 11:18:26	tatsumaru	never mind, it was just a temporary timeout, I was able to login, sorry
2022-10-20 11:18:42	tatsumaru	it's probably some brute force defense
2022-10-20 11:21:57	astralc	I don't think faillock work with luks password entry. maybe it was root/your password?
2022-10-20 11:22:22	sheldor	I'm using libvirt and dsnmasq i've set some values, see here https://paste.chapril.org/?60767c10195c4625#GcAZ8cA3KikKX9dNtzUk55mpXHPiyYZ5nepZd5X7PBo3
2022-10-20 11:22:24	phrik	Title: PasteChaprilOrg (at paste.chapril.org)
2022-10-20 11:22:34	sheldor	but still listen on 0.0.0.0:67
2022-10-20 11:38:26	jordy	Is there anyone that has a good alternative to DWM?
2022-10-20 11:40:15	nullie	i3?
2022-10-20 11:40:33	AlexC	xmonad
2022-10-20 11:40:36	AlexC	:P
2022-10-20 11:44:53	mpldr	quite happy with sway
2022-10-20 11:55:20	novns	jordy, twm
2022-10-20 11:55:31	novns	it's old but still good enough
2022-10-20 12:08:51	jordy	thx novns
2022-10-20 12:18:30	HumanLove	my mem shows 4gb for but i have installed 8gb ram 
2022-10-20 12:18:37	HumanLove	how to confirm that?
2022-10-20 12:18:50	HumanLove	i have 8GB or GB ram. or its fault of ram?
2022-10-20 12:19:06	jelle	is it one or two sticks of memory..
2022-10-20 12:19:26	HumanLove	two sticks
2022-10-20 12:19:38	jelle	what shows 4GB?
2022-10-20 12:19:44	HumanLove	i check bios shows 4gb there to
2022-10-20 12:19:46	HumanLove	ram
2022-10-20 12:19:53	upgreydd	hey there - anyone with experience with wireguard? Have an issue cause I have one eth card with 2 IP addresses and wanna force wireguard to listen only on one address
2022-10-20 12:19:54	Khorne	Replace the broken stick
2022-10-20 12:19:55	jelle	HumanLove: then you didn't install it correctly
2022-10-20 12:19:58	HumanLove	pyhsical man
2022-10-20 12:20:00	jelle	or broken
2022-10-20 12:20:08	HumanLove	hm ok ay
2022-10-20 12:20:10	HumanLove	okay*
2022-10-20 12:22:32	Khorne	upgreydd, not possible iirc
2022-10-20 12:22:47	anotherNightmare	upgreydd: firewall or netns
2022-10-20 12:22:52	Khorne	^
2022-10-20 12:26:17	Ennea	jelle, shouldn't mainboards nowadays refuse to boot when encountering a broken stick of RAM, instead of carrying on like nothing happened? so i suppose it's not installed properly
2022-10-20 12:26:37	jelle	Ennea: why ask me
2022-10-20 12:27:45	upgreydd	anotherNightmare, Khorne : thanks so I have one more question. https://bpa.st/AA5Q how to modify this rules to apply only to one IP on the specific eth (eth has 2 IP assigned)?
2022-10-20 12:27:49	phrik	Title: View paste AA5Q (at bpa.st)
2022-10-20 12:28:06	Ennea	jelle, because you suggested it may also be broken. i was hoping you could confirm or refute my, uhh... state of knowledge?
2022-10-20 12:28:27	jelle	Ennea: no idea
2022-10-20 12:28:34	Ennea	hm. i'm not 100% sure either
2022-10-20 12:29:25	anotherNightmare	upgreydd: add more specific matches?
2022-10-20 12:29:35	upgreydd	anotherNightmare, Khorne, I guess I should add `--dst` ?
2022-10-20 12:29:43	thrice	try re-inserting it firmly - if it shows up, great!  if not, it's probably bad
2022-10-20 12:30:08	thrice	there's not much middle ground
2022-10-20 12:30:50	Khorne	upgreydd, ye, seems about right
2022-10-20 12:31:34	anotherNightmare	upgreydd: what is --dst ?
2022-10-20 12:33:53	Khorne	destination ip of the packet in question
2022-10-20 12:34:20	anotherNightmare	oh. somehow I fatfingered my search
2022-10-20 12:34:30	upgreydd	anotherNightmare, destination?
2022-10-20 12:34:52	⚡ 	anotherNightmare pours more coffee
2022-10-20 12:35:01	upgreydd	:D
2022-10-20 12:49:21	upgreydd	ok - something doesn't work with `--dst` param - I don't see any traffik with tcpdump on wireguard card with this rules :/
2022-10-20 12:51:22	anotherNightmare	what rules?
2022-10-20 12:58:43	upgreydd	anotherNightmare, https://bpa.st/H4AQ this. I have server with 2 IP and want to use second free IP which is on the same eth like main IP as a forward to mikrotik in my local
2022-10-20 12:58:46	phrik	Title: View paste H4AQ (at bpa.st)
2022-10-20 13:02:56	upgreydd	I see packets on eth interface but they are not routed to VPN :/ OK need to check this again
2022-10-20 14:22:56	anotherNightmare	this makes no sense. 
2022-10-20 14:23:18	anotherNightmare	no need to snat to a local ip
2022-10-20 14:24:41	anotherNightmare	something something `iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.200.200.2 -j SNAT --to-source second.ip.x.y`
2022-10-20 14:32:29	upgreydd	anotherNightmare, yeah but eth0 have 2 IP addresses and I want to apply routing only to one IP - that's the issue
2022-10-20 14:43:07	anotherNightmare	iptables does not do routing
2022-10-20 14:45:13	upgreydd	I mean rules only to one IP
2022-10-20 14:45:58	upgreydd	anotherNightmare,  so how to apply only to specific external IP? I was thinking `--dst` will do this, but it's not :/
2022-10-20 14:47:41	anotherNightmare	apply what? What is it you are __actually__ trying to do?
2022-10-20 15:07:30	upgreydd	anotherNightmare, as I said. I have server with one eth and 2 external IP. Server is connected to my mikrotik at home. I wanna use second server external IP as a mikrotik external IP. I have connection in VPN but now need to add rule to forward traffic from external IP2 into wireguard VPN. rule which I've pasted works but it apply to both IP on the eth0 interface, I need apply it to only one -
2022-10-20 15:07:30	upgreydd	that's the issue
2022-10-20 15:12:07	anotherNightmare	iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p udp --dport 51820 -j ACCEPT; iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING --dst SECOND.PUBLIC.IP.HERE -j DNAT --to-destination 10.200.200.2; iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.200.200.2 -j SNAT --to-source SECOND.PUBLIC.IP.HERE
2022-10-20 15:12:51	upgreydd	thanks, let me try
2022-10-20 15:17:24	upgreydd	anotherNightmare, so now it still hits eth0 but I don't see packets at mikrotik :/
2022-10-20 15:18:00	upgreydd	i mean wg0 interface doesn't receive this packets - I see packets on eth0
2022-10-20 15:26:33	anotherNightmare	debug script in #wireguard /topic 
2022-10-20 15:30:39	upgreydd	thanks
2022-10-20 17:19:57	thing	Here's an update on browser crashing: as expected the browser crashed, I took the strace but before sharing it I decided to stop the services running in docker and guess what the browsers started working. I had to wait another 24 hrs (why? I have no idea) to figure out the container, although I didn't get to the end of the list, I landed on vaultwarden. Looking at their issue tracker led me to
2022-10-20 17:19:59	thing	this https://github.com/moby/moby/issues/40734, but the issue started happening only from 15 oct right around the time they updated their image https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden/tree/1.26.0
2022-10-20 17:20:05	thing	looking at the changelog I'm guessing it's related to https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden/pull/2758, I'm not sure if it's vaultwarden, I'll verify again the next time it crashes but I also do not have any other images that were updated the same time this issue began.
2022-10-20 17:34:41	BlackDex	thing: what happens if you try to use the Alpine based images of Vaultwarden?
2022-10-20 17:36:33	thing	I've not tried that, even if I did I can't produce it. From what I've noticed this happens every 24hrs
2022-10-20 17:36:43	thing	reproduce*
2022-10-20 17:36:55	BlackDex	I'm only aware of some strange issues with Debian buster and newer images like reported here https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden/discussions/2510
2022-10-20 17:37:31	BlackDex	Ah, do you have a reverse proxy infront of it?
2022-10-20 17:37:40	thing	Yes, caddy.
2022-10-20 17:37:56	BlackDex	Could be some hanging opened connections maybe?
2022-10-20 17:38:07	BlackDex	But that would be strange 
2022-10-20 17:40:06	thing	I've stopped caddy and tried opening browser, it still crashed. Only when I stopped vaultwarden was I able to browse without tab crash.
2022-10-20 17:40:38	BlackDex	Don't known if you have debug logging enabled that could help a bit in troubleshooting, else trace log is an option, but that is very noisy
2022-10-20 17:41:10	BlackDex	Maybe memory issues somewhere? 
2022-10-20 17:41:57	BlackDex	Strange that a container crashes a out-side-off-the-container application 
2022-10-20 17:42:24	thing	I've ran memtest86+, no errors were reported. Although it was comppleted only in 7 hours, like other suggested I didn't run it for days. 
2022-10-20 17:44:10	BlackDex	Other strange thing what could be is that in Rust there is something strange which collides between Vaultwarden and some Mozilla rust code.
2022-10-20 17:44:29	BlackDex	That would be very very strange 
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2022-10-20 17:44:48	thing	Nothing out of ordinary in the docker logs as well. But I'll try with RUST_BACKTRACE=full and LOG_LEVEL=debug
2022-10-20 17:45:14	BlackDex	In that case, the Alpine image should help, since that uses MiMalloc as its memory allocator
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2022-10-20 17:55:03	lmat	Should this AUR package be called figma-linux-bin? (see latest comment) https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/figma-linux
2022-10-20 17:55:07	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - figma-linux (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2022-10-20 17:58:21	thing	BlackDex: If you're not aware of the context, this fails while opening firefox https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/tip/security/sandbox/linux/Sandbox.cpp#l230 (as pointed by heat) and every other browser SIGILLs. That moby issue lines up with the code.
2022-10-20 17:58:24	phrik	Title: mozilla-central: security/sandbox/linux/Sandbox.cpp@ca2873779214f6109ffe1b23e1455350294ac325 (at hg.mozilla.org)
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2022-10-20 17:59:47	heat	wait, SIGILLs?
2022-10-20 17:59:52	heat	i've never heard of that
2022-10-20 17:59:56	jelle	heat: illegal instruction
2022-10-20 17:59:58	heat	SIGILLs where and what?
2022-10-20 18:00:02	thing	Yeah that's what I saw in chrome.
2022-10-20 18:00:03	heat	i know what a SIGILL is
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2022-10-20 18:00:37	gromit	lmat: I would say yes because of bulletpoint 5 https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR_submission_guidelines#Rules_of_submission
2022-10-20 18:00:38	phrik	Title: AUR submission guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-10-20 18:00:48	heat	thing, is this something that only happens on arch?
2022-10-20 18:01:01	heat	can you repro these issues on another distro or system?
2022-10-20 18:01:05	thing	I only have arch
2022-10-20 18:01:20	borked	there don't seem to be too many resources online for this... how do i create a multiboot usb from the command line?
2022-10-20 18:02:06	heat	thing, I would get a classic "stable" distro and see if it crashes there
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2022-10-20 18:02:10	heat	like debian or ubuntu
2022-10-20 18:02:17	heat	or windows ;)
2022-10-20 18:02:27	jelle	thing: what are you trying to run that gives a SIGILL?
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2022-10-20 18:03:44	lmat	gromit: Thank you. I'm not a trusted user so I can't do anything about it, but wanted to verify here.
2022-10-20 18:03:53	thing	jelle: Like I mentioned earlier, I narrowed it down to vaultwarden.
2022-10-20 18:04:04	jelle	thing: vaultwaren what?
2022-10-20 18:04:27	jelle	thing: a docker image of vaultwarden won't start?
2022-10-20 18:04:53	thing	It starts but after 24 hrs, every browser I've tried so far crashes.
2022-10-20 18:05:14	jelle	thing: the browser or the vaultwarden service?
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2022-10-20 18:05:28	thing	browsers
2022-10-20 18:05:58	Ennea	jelle, thing initially came here a few days or so ago because their browsers stopped working after some time (24 hours apparently). _all_ browsers
2022-10-20 18:06:06	thing	When I stopped vaultwarden browsers were working fine. If you scroll up you'll find more context
2022-10-20 18:06:10	Ennea	and they have now narrowed this down to the vaultwarden docker image, apparently
2022-10-20 18:06:52	jelle	thing: that only happens when the browser opens something in vaultwarden? hmm
2022-10-20 18:07:29	borked	h4rd3n3d: I've been using encrypted birds for years, too, and have never seen it fail like it did last night. im not even convinced that btrfs was the issue. what steps do you think i missed prior to chrooting into my system?
2022-10-20 18:07:39	borked	btrfs*
2022-10-20 18:07:45	compute	 So we install Chromium's handler first, then retrieve its
2022-10-20 18:07:48	compute	 * address so our replacement can delegate to it.
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2022-10-20 18:07:56	dandels	I liked the encrypted birds a lot more
2022-10-20 18:08:03	compute	i think the chromiums' handler address is not correct
2022-10-20 18:08:06	borked	same, i might keep it
2022-10-20 18:08:11	compute	so it is jumping to arbitrary places and crashing
2022-10-20 18:08:20	compute	hence the SIGILL
2022-10-20 18:09:17	thing	jelle: No, I was unable to open a new/empty tab without a crash let alone browsing any webpage.
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2022-10-20 18:09:38	jelle	thing: I don't get how vaultwarden can be involved unless you have some addon for it
2022-10-20 18:10:07	gehidore	sounds like you never tried the browsers from a fresh user -_- 
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2022-10-20 18:10:20	thing	If you look at the moby issue I linked, you will find that many others had the same problem.
2022-10-20 18:10:36	thing	not exactly, but crashing
2022-10-20 18:11:09	thing	gehidore: me? I've tried with new profile as well, it crashed.
2022-10-20 18:11:29	gehidore	how was vault warden still involved if it was a fresh profile?
2022-10-20 18:11:44	mystiquewolf	Hello, has anyone met this error in the past? ```clang++: symbol lookup error: clang++: undefined symbol: , version LLVM_10```
2022-10-20 18:11:58	compute	thing: a containerized application is crashing an app outside of the container?
2022-10-20 18:11:59	dandels	mystiquewolf: going to need a lot more context than that
2022-10-20 18:12:03	mystiquewolf	i've installed both llvm and clang packages because i'm trying to setup flutter for development
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2022-10-20 18:12:25	thing	compute: apparently
2022-10-20 18:12:31	compute	that is very weird
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2022-10-20 18:45:11	akegalj	Hi. I have discord version 0.0.19-1 . I get the same version when i check `pacman -Si discord` and `pacman -Qi discord`. That confuses me because upstream discord seems to be 0.0.20-1 https://archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&q=discord&maintainer=&flagged= . Also when i try `sudo pacman -Syyu` it syncs and says "there is nothing to do". Seems like pacman doesn't update its index correctly or
2022-10-20 18:45:11	akegalj	something?
2022-10-20 18:45:14	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
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2022-10-20 18:45:41	tatsumaru	is bash scripting and shell scripting the same thing?
2022-10-20 18:46:02	dandels	tatsumaru: no, there are other shells
2022-10-20 18:46:19	dandels	bash scripting is shell scripting but all shell scripting isn't bash scripting
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2022-10-20 18:46:52	heat	akegalj, maybe the mirror is stuck
2022-10-20 18:46:56	heat	try another one
2022-10-20 18:47:03	heat	(that has happened to me actually)
2022-10-20 18:47:40	heat	tatsumaru, yeah pretty much what dandels said
2022-10-20 18:48:04	heat	although colloquially the terms can be very mixed up
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2022-10-20 18:49:53	dandels	tatsumaru: Also, shell scripts in Linux are generally either interpreted with /bin/sh or /bin/bash. sh is the POSIX standard and Bash is a superset of it (afaik).
2022-10-20 18:50:39	akegalj	heat: that fixed the problem. thanks <3
2022-10-20 18:51:18	dandels	Bash doesn't exist in all environments (like my router). Sometimes you want to do "normal bash things" and find out a script that starts with #!/bin/sh doesn't like that.
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2022-10-20 18:52:53	BrainDamage	bash is infamous for still allowing you to do bash-things even when it's in sh emulation mode
2022-10-20 18:53:21	BrainDamage	so if your machine's sh is a bash symlink, it's not a definitive proof it'll work everywhere
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2022-10-20 18:58:03	tatsumaru	dandels: I see, thanks
2022-10-20 18:58:35	heat	akegalj, send em an email warning them :)
2022-10-20 18:58:38	heat	np
2022-10-20 18:59:20	tatsumaru	dandels: would you need to install bash on your router to make it work?
2022-10-20 18:59:28	heat	yes
2022-10-20 18:59:33	heat	or you fix the script ofc
2022-10-20 18:59:38	gehidore	or fix the script
2022-10-20 18:59:52	heat	dash is pretty good in these situations
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2022-10-20 19:00:02	heat	what works with dash works (mostly?) everywhere
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2022-10-20 19:06:27	ℹ 	dandels es conocido ahora como Dandels
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2022-10-20 19:06:39	ℹ 	Dandels es conocido ahora como dandels
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2022-10-20 19:07:49	lash	no matter what i do i cant accept internet nor gateway ip from qemu guest when using tap nic and wlan internet. is there an up-to-date recipe somewhere?
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2022-10-20 19:08:03	lash	s/accept/access/
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2022-10-20 19:08:56	lash	i confirm that I can bind a tcp port on the wifi ip of the host and write to it from the guest
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2022-10-20 19:09:47	ℹ 	lastmikoi_ es conocido ahora como lastmikoi
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2022-10-20 19:10:59	akegalj	heat: will do!
2022-10-20 19:11:03	dandels	had to make a factoid for this
2022-10-20 19:11:06	dandels	!bash3
2022-10-20 19:11:07	phrik	bash3 is When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
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2022-10-20 19:11:10	dandels	...
2022-10-20 19:11:12	dandels	whoops
2022-10-20 19:11:30	heat	what
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2022-10-20 19:11:57	dandels	Have to afk for a while, I'll fix that later :D
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2022-10-20 19:22:32	teraflops	oops not here
2022-10-20 19:23:03	kevr	the hills have eyes
2022-10-20 19:23:12	kevr	they're watching
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2022-10-20 19:31:22	dandels	!bash3
2022-10-20 19:31:23	phrik	Bash is a cursed hammer that makes every problem look like a nail.
2022-10-20 19:31:25	dandels	fixed
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2022-10-20 19:32:43	phrik	Most problems can be created by installing Arch
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2022-10-20 20:05:18	wyre	may I force the PKGBUILD md5sum rewrite when I manually increment the pkgver?
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2022-10-20 20:06:48	dandels	que?
2022-10-20 20:07:17	wyre	dandels, didn't you understand my question? 😆
2022-10-20 20:07:22	dandels	No, I didn't :D
2022-10-20 20:08:58	jonathon	wyre: archlinux-aur,  and also you have to update the checksum on a new source release, you don't have to "force" it
2022-10-20 20:09:08	wyre	jonathon, oh, sure
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2022-10-20 20:09:38	wyre	jonathon, but I'm not the maintainer of the package, just playing with the PKGBUILD to force an update and test it
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2022-10-20 20:10:02	jonathon	i don't understand what problem you're trying to solve
2022-10-20 20:10:18	wyre	jonathon, no one, I haven't got any problem
2022-10-20 20:10:32	jonathon	then what are you asking a question about?
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2022-10-20 20:10:48	dandels	"Forcing" is quite a weird word. I mean yes, if you download a different version of the software then the hash won't match. See "updpkgsums".
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2022-10-20 20:11:19	jonathon	`updpkgsums` is a hack, you should use upstream checksums to do things properly
2022-10-20 20:11:24	wyre	jonathon, just wondering if there's someway to ignore the checksum to make a single test
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2022-10-20 20:11:35	dandels	jonathon: assuming they exist
2022-10-20 20:11:42	jonathon	oh, yes, makepkg has that option. just look at `makepkg --help`
2022-10-20 20:12:00	wyre	dandels, thank you very much, that's exactly what I was looking for 😆
2022-10-20 20:12:38	jonathon	(technically, updpkgsums updates the checksum, it doesn't ignore it during the build process...)
2022-10-20 20:12:52	wyre	and I agree with jonathon, when you are the package maintainer ... you should do this thing properly
2022-10-20 20:13:09	wyre	jonathon, sure, but both workarounds would have been enough to me
2022-10-20 20:13:17	jonathon	cool cool
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2022-10-21 13:41:24	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1431 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1431 normals)
2022-10-21 08:16:29	kevr	it is necessary for a subset of linux applications because they rely on the dbus protocol, and they do that so that there's some sort of standard protocol to depend on
2022-10-21 08:16:36	kevr	alad: yes, i am.
2022-10-21 08:16:47	alad	kevr: then why are you stabbing me instead of shooting me in the face
2022-10-21 08:16:48	alad	get it right
2022-10-21 08:17:00	kevr	we got it all
2022-10-21 08:17:12	chowbok	kevr: Isn't that kind of tautalogical, though? We need dbus because apps use dbus?
2022-10-21 08:17:12	novns	chowbok, or you can lookup what is your player is playing at the moment, most players support this protocol
2022-10-21 08:17:23	kevr	chowbok: yes
2022-10-21 08:17:38	kevr	there are other ipc protocols that can be used
2022-10-21 08:17:40	kevr	if you wish
2022-10-21 08:17:53	⚡ 	alad sends kevr to /dev/tcp
2022-10-21 08:17:55	novns	chowbok, it's the common standard way for IPC, and it's popular
2022-10-21 08:18:01	kevr	:D
2022-10-21 08:18:15	chowbok	So how does a shell invoke an app? Is that some different form of IPC?
2022-10-21 08:18:25	kevr	say what
2022-10-21 08:18:30	kevr	well
2022-10-21 08:18:32	kevr	typically
2022-10-21 08:18:49	alad	chowbok: execve, fork and friends
2022-10-21 08:18:57	sheep	fork, pipe, close/dup to get the pipes to have the right fds, exec
2022-10-21 08:19:02	novns	chowbok, if you against using it, you can also be against popular encodings like ASCII and UNICODE
2022-10-21 08:19:05	chowbok	Do those cound as IPCs?
2022-10-21 08:19:05	kevr	ah, i see
2022-10-21 08:19:13	sheep	pipe is ipc
2022-10-21 08:19:28	chowbok	I'm not against it, I just don't understand why it's necessary
2022-10-21 08:19:35	novns	chowbok, because there's no reason - it's here, everyone uses it, and it's useful
2022-10-21 08:19:43	kevr	here's why
2022-10-21 08:19:52	kevr	in terms of dbus
2022-10-21 08:20:34	kevr	so, let's take an example of something like uhh
2022-10-21 08:20:39	kevr	information about a program
2022-10-21 08:20:42	kevr	or a .desktop file or some bullshit
2022-10-21 08:21:15	kevr	there are various pieces of information that other applications might want to query about with regards to applications. something like the application name, what kind of application it is, maybe its execution command line
2022-10-21 08:21:29	alad	execution command line you say
2022-10-21 08:21:33	⚡ 	alad looks at /proc
2022-10-21 08:21:41	novns	chowbok, whatever music player you use - you can always query it with dbus
2022-10-21 08:21:45	kevr	in order for this to be possible, there has to be _SOME_ form of IPC. Without DBUS, you pretty much get raw IPC, then it's up to you to determine a protocol or come up with your own
2022-10-21 08:21:47	⚡ 	novns np: Frank Zappa - You Are What You Is
2022-10-21 08:21:54	novns	chowbok, this way
2022-10-21 08:22:05	kevr	dbus is a way more completely defined protocol to be used for things over that IPC, so that end-user applications know exactly how to use dbus and what they can get out of it
2022-10-21 08:22:19	novns	it works for any player that supports MPRIS2 with dbus
2022-10-21 08:22:20	chowbok	kevr: Okay, that makes sense
2022-10-21 08:22:28	alad	usually people who complain about dbus are those who had to write code for it
2022-10-21 08:22:30	kevr	otherwise, every program would have to have their own special protocol implementation, and everybody would have to relearn a new protocol for every single program they want to speak with
2022-10-21 08:22:34	kevr	which is a disaster
2022-10-21 08:22:39	kevr	the standardization helps a lot
2022-10-21 08:22:44	alad	sockets are standarized :D
2022-10-21 08:22:48	chowbok	Is that how it works on *BSD?
2022-10-21 08:23:01	kevr	i don't know
2022-10-21 08:23:27	novns	BSDs have dbus too
2022-10-21 08:23:52	chowbok	Oh really? I thought that was just a Linux thing.
2022-10-21 08:24:10	alad	some thing that heavily rely on dbus are linux thing only
2022-10-21 08:24:12	alad	like systemd
2022-10-21 08:24:27	alad	but that doesn't mean dbus itself is linux only
2022-10-21 08:24:42	novns	chowbok, it'a a freedesktop standard
2022-10-21 08:33:03	kevr	alad: btw, even though i'm murican i've never owned a firearm myself, i don't really support them too much myself
2022-10-21 08:33:28	kevr	family's got some, i don't though
2022-10-21 08:33:43	mpan	How did we move from dbus to guns? :o
2022-10-21 08:33:57	kevr	lol
2022-10-21 08:34:21	novns	I live in Siberia but I don't have any bears, I have cats
2022-10-21 08:34:44	mpan	Make Arch, not war!
2022-10-21 08:34:54	kevr	mpan++
2022-10-21 08:36:41	frero	!paste
2022-10-21 08:36:42	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-10-21 08:39:10	frero	So not sure how, but managed to brick my system.  Following is the output of 'find /mnt/usr/lib -size 0' from a live usb: https://paste.rs/hSN
2022-10-21 08:39:48	frero	What's the best way to proceed?  Do I need to chase down the package name for every lib and reinstall it?
2022-10-21 08:40:40	sheep	it sounds like you rebooted uncleanly while or shortly after pacman was running 
2022-10-21 08:41:29	frero	Something like that, my system hung when I rebooted shortly after pacman -Syu completed.
2022-10-21 08:41:38	sheep	you could try https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Reinstalling_all_packages
2022-10-21 08:41:39	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-21 08:41:57	frero	Thanks, will try that.
2022-10-21 08:53:15	farzat	Ok so I have a laptop without built-in ethernet, so I use a USB-C adaptor
2022-10-21 08:53:37	farzat	I installed Arch before on this device and it worked, albeit not always
2022-10-21 08:54:26	farzat	Now I reinstalled arch, while it works like a charm while installing, the ethernet doesn't work after reboot
2022-10-21 08:54:59	farzat	For some reason archiso is able to recognize the ethernet adaptor but the arch install is not
2022-10-21 08:55:37	farzat	Btw I tried a usb-3 adaptor and it worked, so the problem is with the usb-c adaptor
2022-10-21 08:55:54	kevr	provide us some output from a few commands, please: `ip link` and `lsusb`
2022-10-21 08:56:02	kevr	is the thing just missing completely?
2022-10-21 08:58:14	kevr	on my laptop, i have to put my usb-c hub thing into the usb-c port that has (thunderbolt?), the other port doesn't give it enough power which causes the hub to intermittenly reconnect
2022-10-21 08:58:29	luigibu	hellou! i have an issue.. where my arch starts.. but i have no audio.. and kmix autostart automatically... it just.. start happening a week ago.. nothing changes.. just installing updates regulary. when this problem occurs.. the machine is not able to properly shutdown or restart.. any clue what can i look? im far from expert regardin the journal.. :p
2022-10-21 09:01:31	farzat	!paste
2022-10-21 09:01:31	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-10-21 09:01:57	farzat	!rs
2022-10-21 09:01:58	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2022-10-21 09:02:37	farzat	`ip link`: https://paste.rs/eug
2022-10-21 09:03:06	kevr	you have an ethernet device there, and it also has an IP address
2022-10-21 09:03:36	kevr	why do you believe you don't have ethernet?
2022-10-21 09:04:15	kevr	ah, wait, you probably plugged it into the other usb to paste that, eh
2022-10-21 09:05:12	farzat	Yeah the ethernet shown is from the usb-3 connection
2022-10-21 09:05:39	farzat	The one from USB-C should be enp57s0u1u2
2022-10-21 09:05:39	kevr	gotcha
2022-10-21 09:05:52	farzat	That's what I got from archiso
2022-10-21 09:06:21	farzat	`lsusb`: https://paste.rs/HUu
2022-10-21 09:06:25	kevr	can you plug it in and take it out of the usb-c port real quick
2022-10-21 09:06:43	farzat	Done
2022-10-21 09:06:49	kevr	then paste us `journalctl -kb` ?
2022-10-21 09:07:30	farzat	https://paste.rs/puI
2022-10-21 09:09:17	kevr	laptop model?
2022-10-21 09:09:43	farzat	spectre360
2022-10-21 09:09:46	farzat	HP
2022-10-21 09:10:34	farzat	It's an old laptop with broken screen so I use it as a headless server
2022-10-21 09:13:43	kevr	farzat: check the log you pasted to me, at the end, it's indicating errors with mapping pci busses
2022-10-21 09:14:33	kevr	though, interesting that it doesn't seem to be an issue on the iso
2022-10-21 09:14:36	kevr	hm
2022-10-21 09:14:54	⚡ 	kevr wonders if there's some sort of firmware package you might be missing
2022-10-21 09:14:54	farzat	Yes
2022-10-21 09:15:03	nullie	different kernel versions?
2022-10-21 09:15:29	kevr	likely, but..
2022-10-21 09:15:36	farzat	I'm now running lts
2022-10-21 09:15:45	farzat	Should I try linux 6?
2022-10-21 09:15:57	kevr	pretty rare for me to see the kernel actually causing bugs like this for older hardware, does happen though
2022-10-21 09:16:05	kevr	oh man
2022-10-21 09:16:20	kevr	yes, i would try the up to date kernel.
2022-10-21 09:20:59	farzat	Ok interesting
2022-10-21 09:21:09	farzat	It now showed in ip addr
2022-10-21 09:21:17	farzat	I mean ip link
2022-10-21 09:22:05	farzat	Ok yup it works now
2022-10-21 09:22:32	farzat	So the problem was with the lts... intersting
2022-10-21 09:23:39	farzat	Thanks alot kevr and nullie 
2022-10-21 09:25:44	kevr	ah, nice. yeah, some forums do seem to indicate that the x360 has revised versions throughout the years, and some of the later versions aren't as supported in lts
2022-10-21 09:25:49	kevr	could be the case here
2022-10-21 09:31:25	farzat	Made GRUB save my default kernel, now it should restart into new linux automatically
2022-10-21 09:31:41	Damni	experiencing some annoying system freezes, but they seem to happen early morning when I switch the pc on. Then I can use it for hours without issues. Can a faulty bios battery cause freezes? 
2022-10-21 09:35:43	nullie	I don't think so
2022-10-21 09:36:11	Edu4rdSHL	Damni, check the journal
2022-10-21 09:37:34	Damni	ok I'll dig into that then. 
2022-10-21 09:37:46	epony	no.  <novns> BSDs have dbus too
2022-10-21 09:38:00	epony	that's an application not part of the system
2022-10-21 09:38:07	Strykar	and soon, systemd, then they can't be snobs anymore yay
2022-10-21 09:38:15	epony	it's a Linux / desktop program
2022-10-21 09:38:36	epony	comes from Gnome and their freedesktoporg parent
2022-10-21 09:38:56	epony	novns, you can simply forget about dbus being ever part of BSD
2022-10-21 09:40:37	epony	also you can make it not auto-start and disable its socket variable, and most applications will still run without it, except the ones that are incredibly incorrectly designed to hard depend on it and fail if it's not available
2022-10-21 09:40:55	epony	you can safely forget those applications too, you do not want such programs
2022-10-21 09:41:14	jelle	I don't think anyone asked for a rant about dbus 
2022-10-21 09:41:25	epony	SysD is a rework of SysV, which is not part of BSD either
2022-10-21 09:41:39	sheep	systemd is officially not capitalized
2022-10-21 09:41:59	jelle	epony: it's not a rework of SysV at all
2022-10-21 09:42:00	epony	that's the AT&T UNIX legacy, from RedHat as an immitation of HPUX
2022-10-21 09:42:14	jelle	epony: stop the nonsense please
2022-10-21 09:42:16	epony	whatever it is, it's a continuation of SysV
2022-10-21 09:43:14	epony	as it replaced it and is coming from the commercial distribution that used it before that
2022-10-21 09:43:16	farzat	h4rd3n3d: Mine is 4~5 years old, the screen broke in an earthquake (something fell on it)
2022-10-21 09:43:58	sheep	systemd isn't usable on any of the descendants of SVR4
2022-10-21 09:44:12	sheep	or System III
2022-10-21 09:44:23	sheep	or even research UNIX such as BSD
2022-10-21 09:44:43	novns	epony, it exists, it works, software apps use it, people use it
2022-10-21 09:44:49	sheep	it's an entirely new design that shares almost nothing with sysv-style init
2022-10-21 09:45:05	novns	epony, it's not a part of core BSD, so what
2022-10-21 09:45:11	epony	novns, read carefully, it does not exist in BSD.. it's a desktop application from FDO
2022-10-21 09:45:12	novns	https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=dbus-daemon
2022-10-21 09:45:13	phrik	Title: dbus-daemon (at www.freebsd.org)
2022-10-21 09:45:17	dagle	!war init
2022-10-21 09:45:18	phrik	are we talking about init again?
2022-10-21 09:45:37	sheep	dbus has been ported to the BSDs and they all provide packages for it
2022-10-21 09:45:43	novns	epony, so what, it's an app, it supports BSDs, it works
2022-10-21 09:45:49	epony	also BSD's have standards, so their startup setup is mostly shell scrhipts of standards shell that is Korn shell
2022-10-21 09:46:10	novns	epony, and it's not about init, it's about dbus
2022-10-21 09:46:38	epony	and nobody cares what commercial Linux distributions do to their users or the rest of the "dependent" distros
2022-10-21 09:46:42	jelle	epony: read http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html
2022-10-21 09:46:43	phrik	Title: Rethinking PID 1 (at 0pointer.de)
2022-10-21 09:46:44	novns	systemd uses dbus, but it's irrelevant
2022-10-21 09:47:06	epony	novns, I was responding to:  <Strykar> and soon, systemd, then they can't be snobs anymore yay
2022-10-21 09:47:14	epony	the reply is again: no.
2022-10-21 09:47:17	jelle	epony: please stop this behaviour
2022-10-21 09:47:25	epony	novns, is a liar
2022-10-21 09:47:53	novns	epony, btw, they did something like systemd, cannot recall the name
2022-10-21 09:48:02	novns	but there was a project
2022-10-21 09:48:13	jelle	https://wiki.freebsd.org/launchd
2022-10-21 09:48:14	phrik	Title: launchd - FreeBSD Wiki (at wiki.freebsd.org)
2022-10-21 09:48:22	jelle	ofcourse there is, everyone knows initscripts are lacking
2022-10-21 09:48:45	epony	FreeBSD tries to be Apple-like but that's not part of the system.. and FreeBSD is not UNIX anymore when that happens.. it will be a desktop shim ;-)
2022-10-21 09:49:13	sheep	what the heck does "desktop shim" even mean?
2022-10-21 09:49:33	epony	it means some shitass stupidity of John Hubbard's Apple clone-projects
2022-10-21 09:49:34	futunebot	why are you discussing freebsd at length in #archlinux? o.0
2022-10-21 09:49:46	sheep	???
2022-10-21 09:49:46	jelle	sheep: the opposite of being neckbead I guess
2022-10-21 09:49:47	epony	we're not ;-)
2022-10-21 09:49:58	novns	epony, the problem of BSDs is they become less and less used in real world
2022-10-21 09:50:00	epony	just d-bus is not part of BSD
2022-10-21 09:50:01	sheep	I was asking for clarification and you just made it make LESS sense
2022-10-21 09:50:22	novns	epony, and init wars are much less problem than this
2022-10-21 09:50:59	epony	if you want a better system without "fuckups" like fsync failures and changes that result in inability to boot or remain standards compliant.. you know where to look
2022-10-21 09:51:35	jelle	epony: told you thrice to stop your silly rants no one asked for
2022-10-21 09:51:53	novns	epony, I love non-standard linux things like timerfd
2022-10-21 09:52:15	novns	as a programmer
2022-10-21 09:59:10	farzat	h4rd3n3d: Yeah, I use a Legion5 as my daily driver now
2022-10-21 09:59:37	farzat	The x360 does stuff like serving a monero node etc
2022-10-21 10:00:14	farzat	Stuff for which it makes sense to stay at home
2022-10-21 10:30:50	octopus	Hi
2022-10-21 10:32:55	thurstylark	!welcomerpg
2022-10-21 10:32:56	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you deleted your precious data today.
2022-10-21 10:34:14	octopus	:)
2022-10-21 10:34:35	octopus	I am looking for a non-interactive alternative for  scantailor-advanced
2022-10-21 10:35:02	octopus	I mostly need auto border/mergin
2022-10-21 10:35:40	octopus	What I am trying to do is auto add mergin (if there isn't any already) to the top and left side of the page
2022-10-21 10:35:52	octopus	and crop as much as possible from bottom and right
2022-10-21 10:36:02	octopus	but this has to be unattended
2022-10-21 10:36:30	octopus	and the program has to be a bit intelligent
2022-10-21 10:37:11	Strykar	octopus: Deskew might work
2022-10-21 10:39:01	octopus	Strykar: thanks, I don't think it will do what I need here, but I will need this in future
2022-10-21 10:53:43	linuxdonor	trying to connect to bluetooth speakers gives me "Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed br-connection-unknown" in bluetoothctl. it was working fine just some time ago.i installed easyeffects and tried to start it but it wouldnt open and the music stopped. so i restarted the bluetooth service and it still wouldnt connect, i even rebooted. I use pipewire and google doesnt have anything similar
2022-10-21 10:53:45	linuxdonor	to my error message. https://0x0.st/oxK4.txt this is the output of dmesg | grep bluetooth , how do i connect to my speaker?
2022-10-21 10:54:44	linuxdonor	now i get "Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed br-connection-unknown" and this keeps happening in the terminal - https://0x0.st/oxKv.txt NEW and DEL over and over again, some random device which is def not my bt speaker
2022-10-21 11:07:44	linuxdonor	well i'll be... turning my speaker off and on again fixed it. 
2022-10-21 11:07:51	dandels	!shrug
2022-10-21 11:07:53	phrik	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-10-21 11:08:11	dandels	Seems like a good day in the day of bluetooth devices
2022-10-21 11:08:29	dandels	in regards to*
2022-10-21 11:08:35	dandels	(good morning)
2022-10-21 12:17:49	lowden	hey i wish to store stuff deleted using rm command like trash but it should take really less space 
2022-10-21 12:19:07	Namarrgon	use tar instead of rm
2022-10-21 12:54:18	Gagis	theres also a toom rmtrash that trashes instead of removing stuff but I have never seen how it works in action
2022-10-21 12:54:56	Gagis	could also create something with an alias to move to trash and compress an object
2022-10-21 13:10:50	epony	you can get creative with a fuse-zip mount
2022-10-21 13:17:55	Gagis	ohh, thats interesting. wonder if you could use that in concert with trash-cli
2022-10-21 13:18:22	jelle	but zip compression is probably horrible :p
2022-10-21 13:19:23	novns	jelle, zip uses wavpack for wav files, and it compresses rather good
2022-10-21 13:19:58	jelle	novns: except this isn't 1999 anymore ;-)
2022-10-21 13:20:36	epony	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Trash_management
2022-10-21 13:20:37	phrik	Title: Trash management - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-21 13:21:00	epony	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Data-at-rest_encryption#Comparison_table
2022-10-21 13:21:02	phrik	Title: Data-at-rest encryption - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-21 13:22:00	epony	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/FUSE
2022-10-21 13:22:01	phrik	Title: FUSE - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-21 13:22:01	jelle	except that none of that matters if we are talking about mp4's
2022-10-21 13:22:30	epony	and the required-by section has a list of other modules  https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/fuse2/
2022-10-21 13:22:32	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - fuse2 2.9.9-4 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-10-21 13:22:36	AlexC	jelle, can I get an archlinux/user/alexc cloak? is it requestable at all?
2022-10-21 13:22:42	jelle	AlexC: no
2022-10-21 13:22:49	AlexC	:((((((((
2022-10-21 13:22:51	AlexC	rip
2022-10-21 13:22:53	jelle	but libera can give you a cloak
2022-10-21 13:23:04	AlexC	i do have, I just wanted the above one
2022-10-21 13:23:05	AlexC	:>
2022-10-21 13:24:05	epony	there is a parallel zip (better perf) but it's probably implementation specific (pigz)
2022-10-21 13:24:19	novns	AlexC, it would be equal to "BTW I Use Arch", avoid this
2022-10-21 13:24:39	AlexC	nah, I don't want to avoid, I'm superior!!!!!
2022-10-21 13:24:42	AlexC	:P :P :D
2022-10-21 13:27:34	epony	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/plzip
2022-10-21 13:27:36	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - plzip (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-10-21 13:28:25	epony	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gzip#cite_ref-10
2022-10-21 13:28:26	phrik	Title: gzip - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2022-10-21 13:28:53	zan	novns: i have used and still use arch
2022-10-21 13:29:08	epony	encfs is probably using aes-ni
2022-10-21 13:29:10	novns	zan, congrats
2022-10-21 13:29:44	zan	novns: had to respond as soon as you told somebody to avoid it
2022-10-21 13:30:49	epony	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encfs#Common_uses
2022-10-21 13:30:50	phrik	Title: EncFS - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2022-10-21 13:30:55	Ennea	"i use arch btw" is such a meme, i honestly think it's funny most of the time
2022-10-21 13:31:18	jelle	epony: hey, the user who asked the question stopped responding hours ago, can you stop the link spam it's not helping
2022-10-21 13:31:27	epony	ok
2022-10-21 13:32:01	epony	it was about half an hour ago and they'd probably catch up but it's fine to drop it
2022-10-21 13:33:05	novns	zan, avoid using the "BTW I use..." phrase, not the mighty Arch
2022-10-21 13:33:24	zan	Ennea: it's akin to former acquaintances dunking on me for using linux while they used windows, see it as the same stupid behavior, but have fun
2022-10-21 13:34:18	zan	novns: have a fun weekend!
2022-10-21 13:34:56	novns	zan, sure I will, thanks!  and you keep your pets petted!
2022-10-21 13:36:33	zan	can't stop can't you?
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2022-10-21 13:50:41	lurk0r	i use arch btw ... i mean, you did not ask but i still do and ... wait ... what channel? phew! ;)
2022-10-21 13:50:56	epony	You know the difference between a programmer, a developer and a chatter? ;-)
2022-10-21 13:51:04	lurk0r	none?
2022-10-21 13:51:10	lurk0r	nonce?
2022-10-21 13:51:13	lurk0r	nounce?
2022-10-21 13:51:17	epony	on irc, only one type exists
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2022-10-21 19:47:54	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-10-21 19:47:54	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1451 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1451 normals)
2022-10-21 16:30:35	Ennea	not quite arch support.. but i'm trying to send a keystroke to a backgroun window via xdotool. doesn't work, sadly. using xdotool to both bring the window into focus and _then_ send the keystroke works, however. sending it in the background also works for some other windows i have tested. any ideas as to why this doesn't work in my particular case, or how i could troubleshoot this?
2022-10-21 16:31:18	Ennea	*background
2022-10-21 16:34:58	artefact	how programs respond to xtest events is very program-specific
2022-10-21 16:37:53	Ennea	ah, so the events xdotool is producing are different from real key presses? at least the "background" ones, i suppose
2022-10-21 16:37:58	Ennea	are there any alternatives i could use instead?
2022-10-21 16:40:37	artefact	they are. but some clients can also just be programmed to only listen/react to x events when they have focus
2022-10-21 16:40:40	artefact	no matter if fake or real
2022-10-21 16:41:39	Ennea	hm, that does make sense
2022-10-21 16:42:57	Ennea	though my case is different, at least in theory, so let me try to get specific. perhaps there is a way. i'm running software via wine (specifically foobar2000) which has support for "global" hotkeys, aka hotkeys i can use even with the program out of focus. obviously i don't expect _that_ to just work (or be able to make it work somehow), but i figure it must be able to handle key events while
2022-10-21 16:42:59	Ennea	out of focus, too. at least somehow. do you think i can make it work somehow, or is perhaps wine the limiting factor here?
2022-10-21 16:44:33	artefact	not sure how it listens for global keys, and how wine implements that if at all. does it not have another way to do "proper" ipc?
2022-10-21 16:46:48	Ennea	it has a CLI i can use to invoke some actions, but that only includes basic actions like play/pause, stop and so on
2022-10-21 16:47:17	Ennea	there's a plugin system, so i could write a custom plugin that allows control of it via.. i dunno, http maybe. could be a solution for sure, i've considered that
2022-10-21 16:47:34	Ennea	i was basically just wondering if i could somehow bend X11/wine a bit in order to get the stuff that's already there working :)
2022-10-21 17:31:32	vileperson	man! I haven't been here in a WHILE! Not since before the freenode exodus
2022-10-21 17:31:49	mpan	vileperson: welcome back.
2022-10-21 17:32:11	vileperson	mpan: thanks
2022-10-21 17:33:32	vileperson	I used to just park here all day while doing other things at work, so I could learn stuff.
2022-10-21 17:42:40	dandels	While I swore by foobar2000 for years, I've been somewhat happy with mpd + ncmpcpp
2022-10-21 17:54:15	dandels	Ennea: https://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_beefweb ?
2022-10-21 17:54:16	phrik	Title: foobar2000: Components Repository - Beefweb Remote Control (at www.foobar2000.org)
2022-10-21 17:59:22	Ennea	dandels, oh heck, it already exists. thanks :D
2022-10-21 17:59:29	Ennea	that might help a lot
2022-10-21 18:01:17	dandels	No probs, good luck :p
2022-10-21 18:01:51	solsTiCe	hi. From the wiki, it seems nothing has to be configured for suspend then hibernate has to be configured. Though, that does not work, ie. after 2 hours, my pc does not hibernate after suspend.
2022-10-21 18:02:45	dandels	Could you be so kind as to link the part of the wiki that says it should work? Am curious
2022-10-21 18:03:11	dandels	And I assume your hibernation works normally
2022-10-21 18:04:32	solsTiCe	well, !i just suspend from my desktop; so that's not running systemctl suspend-then-hibernate. that might be the onlyproblem
2022-10-21 18:04:51	solsTiCe	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management#Power_management_with_systemd
2022-10-21 18:04:53	phrik	Title: Power management - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-21 18:05:05	MacGyver	Does hibernate by itself work?
2022-10-21 18:05:38	solsTiCe	well, not sure. it seems to work sometimes and sometimes not
2022-10-21 18:06:09	solsTiCe	at least it works when it work when I run it
2022-10-21 18:07:38	dandels	solsTiCe: Try setting a short hibernation delay to suspend-then-sleep and run it manually. Don't debug anything using a desktop, assume it always does the wrong thing :p
2022-10-21 18:08:43	solsTiCe	yes ok
2022-10-21 18:35:47	solsTiCe	well, that works fine. it was just me assuming something wrong. I need to find a GUI way to initiate suspend-then-hibernate
2022-10-21 18:37:12	dandels	Well, we don't even know what your desktop is ;o
2022-10-21 18:37:44	dandels	or whatever specific program it is that you're using
2022-10-21 18:40:05	tusko	Sometimes when I shut my laptop lid it hybrid sleeps, and sometimes it doesn't turn off at all. My computer gets up to like a million degrees.
2022-10-21 18:40:12	tusko	This isn't healthy
2022-10-21 18:40:37	dandels	What's responsible for suspending, systemd-logind?
2022-10-21 18:41:09	tusko	I think so, yeah. I set some property ~ handle-lid-whatever=hybrid-suspend
2022-10-21 18:41:44	tusko	And when I come back, I want to say it sometimes says that systemd failed to sleep (or something to that effect)
2022-10-21 18:41:46	tusko	So I think, yes
2022-10-21 18:42:32	dandels	I believe this is way more common than it should be
2022-10-21 18:43:26	tusko	Yeah, man it has been cooking my laptop
2022-10-21 18:43:31	tusko	My shit gets so damn hot
2022-10-21 18:43:34	dandels	It's always possible to use something like acpid to handle the suspend, but that's not useful if the actual suspend fails
2022-10-21 18:44:22	dandels	If systemctl suspend has a sensible return code then it'd be possible to try suspending with acpid until it succeeds
2022-10-21 18:45:40	solsTiCe	dandels: I have gnome shell, awith an extension. It adds 'Hibernate' and 'Hybrid Hibernate' but I don't suspend-then-hibernate
2022-10-21 18:46:33	solsTiCe	don't +see+
2022-10-21 18:55:44	dandels	Well, I guess you need to figure out some workaround (I've just bound suspend to a key combination). Consider filing a feature request upstream.
2022-10-21 18:56:41	heat	tusko, what cpu
2022-10-21 18:56:54	heat	this is the million dollar question
2022-10-21 19:01:28	solsTiCe	dandels: I replaced my shortcut ctrl+alt-break (or pause ?) for suspend to suspend-then-hiberante
2022-10-21 19:03:33	dandels	That ought to work
2022-10-21 19:14:26	dD_	Hi, I had to reset my laptop's bios.  I have arch linux installed and I can't for the life of me get it to boot.  I have a dell laptop, i've disabled secure boot.  I tried setting a new file at \efi\arch-grub\grubx64.efi and it will tell me boot name not found.  I tried every efi file i could find but can't seem to get it and I can't remember how to do this.  I also tried the
2022-10-21 19:14:26	dD_	\efi\boot\bootx64.efi 
2022-10-21 19:14:26	dD_	that the wiki says but get the same error 
2022-10-21 19:14:45	dD_	Where could my error be?
2022-10-21 19:15:09	dandels	Did you check what mode it tries to boot in, like legacy, uefi, etc?
2022-10-21 19:15:49	dandels	h4rd3n3d: why is it disabled under hardened, though? :o
2022-10-21 19:16:40	dD_	dandels it's trying to boot in UEFI, and as far as I remember that's how it was set up.  I remember that a menu existed to change it to legacy but it doens't seem to be available anymore, lookning for it right notw 
2022-10-21 19:17:24	dandels	h4rd3n3d: I was hoping for a more specific answer than that :p
2022-10-21 19:20:30	dandels	Ah, if you reset the bios then you might need to recreate the boot entry
2022-10-21 19:21:23	dandels	I'm not so much being lazy as multitasking very much. I'll have a look though.
2022-10-21 19:21:47	dD_	haha fuck i see the problem, i wasn-t adding the boot name, that-s what they mean by boot name not found lol 
2022-10-21 19:28:28	SponiX	Psi-Jack: you around?
2022-10-21 19:33:23	Psi-Jack	Kinda sorta?
2022-10-21 19:35:07	SponiX	Psi-Jack: Never mind, I am just bad at Math. Thought my raid 1 array of the 4 drives was cheating me on space
2022-10-21 19:35:24	SponiX	Psi-Jack: but with fs/metadata overhead, it turns out about right
2022-10-21 19:43:34	SponiX	h4rd3n3d: you do have a point ;)
2022-10-21 19:44:13	SponiX	These newer hard drives actually give pretty impressive sequential reads/writes (talking 175-195MB/s)
2022-10-21 19:47:38	Tazy	Hi all, I am trying to use my yubico key with ssh , so I made a new ed25519 key , but when I try to log into the server I get invalid format on the pub key 
2022-10-21 19:47:55	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-10-21 19:49:42	anotherNightmare	is your yubikey new enough to support 25519?
2022-10-21 19:49:57	Tazy	yeah firmware 5.4.x
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2022-10-21 19:54:05	Tazy	ah typo, this is pretty cool. so the yubikey unlocks the private key if I understand it 
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2022-10-21 19:57:14	Psi-Jack	h4rd3n3d: Yes?
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2022-10-21 19:59:51	Namarrgon	raid1 and powerloss?
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2022-10-21 20:01:55	alad	wtf
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2022-10-21 20:07:11	Psi-Jack	RAID-1 usually doesn't suffer on power loss alone.
2022-10-21 20:07:28	Namarrgon	raid1 doesn't protect you from powerloss
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2022-10-21 20:07:39	Namarrgon	you're telling a user to risk their data intentionally
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2022-10-21 20:12:39	Namarrgon	what will that test prove?
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2022-10-21 20:13:52	Namarrgon	... please don't tell people to kill their data in here, okay?
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2022-10-21 20:15:48	Namarrgon	"Have you done what I suggested earlier?  Intentionally cause a 100% power loss to your raid1 array so you understand how to recover your data when it really matters, later?"
2022-10-21 20:16:04	Namarrgon	there's no way to misinterpret that
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2022-10-21 20:18:02	jb12779761	This is the most active distro channel. I feel I will get a lot of support here. Time to distro hop to arch
2022-10-21 20:18:28	jb12779761	Been on the other channels for months and get so so help
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2022-10-21 20:18:55	alad	🤔
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2022-10-21 20:19:05	alad	What kind of problems are you having that you need a 24/7 support outlet
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2022-10-21 20:20:45	jb12779761	alad: That for me? Lol I can read the wiki. Just off the wall stuff that's weird. I've been in vanilla arch before. Love it and the aur
2022-10-21 20:20:46	alad	that "trivial worthless data" clause is something you've added later
2022-10-21 20:21:14	alad	either way it's like building immunity by shooting yourself with small bullets
2022-10-21 20:21:16	alad	stupid idea
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2022-10-21 20:22:55	alad	yes because any onlookers clearly know about history from 20 years ago
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2022-10-21 20:23:20	SponiX	h4rd3n3d: lol .. NO, let me get this 7.3TB of data on there 1st - that way I have something to lose :)
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2022-10-21 20:23:37	Namarrgon	h4rd3n3d: you know how we kick out people that suggest the rm -rf stanza?
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2022-10-21 20:24:05	Namarrgon	"it was just a joke, bro!"
2022-10-21 20:24:29	SponiX	Namarrgon: well, I have done similar "testing" with ZFS
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2022-10-21 20:24:45	SponiX	it kinda does make sense to do such with btrfs as well
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2022-10-21 20:26:24	anotherNightmare	fm
2022-10-21 20:26:33	SponiX	maybe I should try jacking drives in and out while it is doing this 7.3TB copy into the array LOL
2022-10-21 20:26:39	SponiX	just to see how it handles it
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2022-10-21 20:27:35	SponiX	h4rd3n3d: No, you are spot on. After talking with you, Psi-Jack and others. The raid 1 btrfs being able to add disks and grow the array over time was the main selling point
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2022-10-21 20:28:04	bblinky	I need to convert an .img file to an .iso somehow, all the tools I have been recommended from the google (iat, ccd2iso and acetoneiso) doesn't seem to work... Can you recommend a method that would work?
2022-10-21 20:28:26	SponiX	I now have all 4 disk in place. And plan to add a few more the 1st part of next month (and every few weeks)
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2022-10-21 20:28:26	anotherNightmare	what format is the .img ?
2022-10-21 20:28:34	bblinky	I'd assume it can be done with dd? Or is .iso compressed?
2022-10-21 20:28:36	Psi-Jack	bblinky: Well, what actual format is it in now?
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2022-10-21 20:28:46	Psi-Jack	img is meaningless by itself.
2022-10-21 20:28:54	bblinky	anotherNightmare: I'm not sure
2022-10-21 20:29:02	bblinky	How can I even check that?
2022-10-21 20:29:11	anotherNightmare	great. `file disk.img`
2022-10-21 20:29:40	bblinky	Downloads/ExcelRetail.img: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data '16.0.9029.2167'
2022-10-21 20:29:45	Namarrgon	h4rd3n3d: just don't do it in the future
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2022-10-21 20:30:09	Namarrgon	bblinky: congrats, you're already done
2022-10-21 20:30:36	bblinky	Oh, so I can just rename it?
2022-10-21 20:30:50	Namarrgon	file extensions don't mean anything
2022-10-21 20:30:55	bblinky	I know
2022-10-21 20:31:16	Psi-Jack	Don't even need to rename it, technically.
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2022-10-21 20:31:29	Psi-Jack	but it might be useful to rename it because of, well, it being an actual iso. 😛
2022-10-21 20:31:49	bblinky	I just don't know that much about these file formats to know yet
2022-10-21 20:31:52	bblinky	Hehe, thanks
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2022-10-21 20:34:38	bblinky	What do you guys think about the idea of outsourcing the task of converting an excel sheet that's madein VBA to something opensource?
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2022-10-21 20:35:00	bblinky	Sorry for offtopic
2022-10-21 20:36:10	bblinky	https://github.com/opf/OpenProjectExcel
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2022-10-21 20:37:31	Namarrgon	when you know that it's offtopic then why do you continue?
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2022-10-21 20:39:01	Edu4rdSHL	:P
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2022-10-21 20:43:46	SponiX	h4rd3n3d: well, if/when I get into either my testing phase - or need a hand recovering for REAL. I'll keep you on speed dial
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2022-10-21 20:44:49	SponiX	Psi-Jack: at 125-175MB/s of my 7.3TB copy of my "Movies". Do you think that is going to take 1.5 Hours, or 10.5 hours? LOL... My math is so fuzzy that I'm not sure where the decimal point should be
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2022-10-21 20:46:21	ℹ 	another es conocido ahora como anotherNightmare
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2022-10-21 20:49:15	Elodin	There's an annoying message i'm getting due to the python-fiona package. Where if I use the pip installed fiona package i dont get the message. Should this be reported somewhere? How to do it? https://i.imgur.com/r8jKcsN.png 
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2022-10-21 20:49:46	Psi-Jack	You use pip in a venv, right?
2022-10-21 20:50:09	Elodin	this test i tested as --user
2022-10-21 20:50:15	Elodin	so removing the python-fiona and installing pip install --user fiona i could import fiona correctly
2022-10-21 20:50:42	Namarrgon	is your system up to date?
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2022-10-21 20:52:43	Elodin	This error actually has been going on for a while. I waited a couple updates to see if things changed. Today i Upgraded the system and tried a bunch of googling and testing to narrow things down. Lemme restart the system just a sec.
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2022-10-21 20:54:35	Namarrgon	Elodin: is "arrow" installed?
2022-10-21 20:55:10	Elodin	system is up to date both uname -r and pacman -Q linux says 6.0.2-arch1-1
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2022-10-21 20:56:02	Elodin	Namarrgon: here's the funny thing: if i install arrow and use the python-fiona package i get a illegal hardware instruction (core dumped)
2022-10-21 20:56:17	Elodin	however with pip install --user fiona... i dont even need arrow
2022-10-21 20:56:25	Psi-Jack	Are you using Arch Linux?
2022-10-21 20:56:35	Elodin	yes
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2022-10-21 20:56:39	Elodin	lemme paste
2022-10-21 20:56:42	anotherNightmare	what CPU?
2022-10-21 20:56:49	Elodin	intel
2022-10-21 20:56:52	anotherNightmare	...
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2022-10-21 20:57:34	Namarrgon	gdal or one of its deps is probably broken again
2022-10-21 20:58:03	SponiX	h4rd3n3d: well, when I get enough disks I might convert it over to a 1c3 array instead
2022-10-21 20:58:20	SponiX	h4rd3n3d: then if I lose all my data, I actually will be upset
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2022-10-21 20:58:37	anotherNightmare	Intel is a manufacturer
2022-10-21 20:58:58	Namarrgon	python-fiona -> gdal -> arrow
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2022-10-21 21:17:06	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1448 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1448 normals)
2022-10-21 21:17:08	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-10-21 21:18:54	SponiX	My wife got a lil mad because I ordered an extra one without letting her know 1st. But at $50 USD for 8TB, I just couldn't resist lol
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2022-10-21 21:25:00	Psi-Jack	Heh, I keep being tempted to upgrade my displays from the 24" ones I have now which lack DisplayPort native, to 27" ones that have DP+HDMI
2022-10-21 21:25:16	Psi-Jack	Right now I have DVI+HDMI+VGA
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2022-10-21 21:25:40	dandels	Confused why my swap file that's 8GiB on disk is shown as 1GiB of swap
2022-10-21 21:26:02	dandels	(as reported by free and swapon)
2022-10-21 21:26:08	Psi-Jack	Have you activated that swap file for swap?
2022-10-21 21:26:29	SponiX	Psi-Jack: I am on a single 27, and at times feel like I should go 1440p/4K _but_ my desk will not take a larger display size really
2022-10-21 21:26:37	dandels	Yes, it's working, but it's smaller than it should be
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2022-10-21 21:26:46	Psi-Jack	I'm on dual 24"
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2022-10-21 21:27:00	BrainDamage	!grab dandels
2022-10-21 21:27:00	phrik	BrainDamage: Tada!
2022-10-21 21:27:10	Psi-Jack	I'm sticking with 1080P, don't need anymore, but dual monitors I do.. I could even go with three monitors, really, which technically I have even now.
2022-10-21 21:27:17	dandels	BrainDamage: well done :D
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2022-10-21 21:27:58	dandels	My swap partition is too small, but I somewhy use XFS so I can't resize my partitions. I have a swap file that's 8GiB in size, but somewhy only 1GiB is being utilized
2022-10-21 21:28:53	Psi-Jack	You can resize XFS. Growing at least,.
2022-10-21 21:28:56	BrainDamage	if you loopback mount it, how much space does it get reported?
2022-10-21 21:29:12	Psi-Jack	You cannot shrink xfs, but if you need to shrink a filesystem, you did it wrong the first time.
2022-10-21 21:29:23	Psi-Jack	Loopback mount swap? YOu don't...
2022-10-21 21:30:16	SponiX	Psi-Jack: I'm debating migrating my ext4 OS install over to btrfs when I get a larger OS SSD. how hard do you think that process would be?
2022-10-21 21:30:32	dandels	Psi-Jack: yes, I obviously did do it wrong. Solving the issue is more trouble than it's worth, since I don't have free disk space at hand.
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2022-10-21 21:31:32	Psi-Jack	SponiX: Never done it, but easily enough you could add drive, format, rsync data over, prep boot, whether it's EFI or MBR (please no, but still possible), and voiula.
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2022-10-21 21:32:24	dandels	http://ix.io/4dMv http://ix.io/4dMw <- pastes, if someone doubts my description of the issue :D
2022-10-21 21:33:05	SponiX	Psi-Jack: Yeah, I'm thinking about it, because of the snapshots feature of btrfs letting me easily do incremental backups often
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2022-10-21 21:49:40	SponiX	h4rd3n3d: backup? that doesn't sound like nearly as much FUN - lol 
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2022-10-21 21:54:43	phrik	Title: BorgBackup – Deduplicating archiver with compression and authenticated encryption (at www.borgbackup.org)
2022-10-21 21:55:17	Ennea	h4rd3n3d, got any examples for how btrfs has saved you?
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2022-10-23 18:08:04	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-10-23 18:08:59	vardo	Does anyone know about "gigabyte" brand for laptops and if it's good for arch or not? I'm thinking about buying HP again but exploring other options 
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2022-10-23 18:20:59	Strykar	why not just buy a brand that ships linux, arch will work on any of them
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2022-10-23 18:40:43	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-10-23 18:41:33	greyltc	"a GF's"
2022-10-23 18:41:35	Namarrgon	jb12779761: i'm not sure i understand what you're asking
2022-10-23 18:41:40	greyltc	sounds like you're not together anymore
2022-10-23 18:42:14	cyphertite	greyltc:  indeed ;p
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2022-10-23 19:22:23	ℹ 	zhang es conocido ahora como KeKou
2022-10-23 19:23:48	ℹ 	KeKou es conocido ahora como idontknow
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2022-10-23 19:31:44	jb12779761	Namarrgon: When regular end users need tech support they come to this channel for help. But what do the devs that know the system in and out need help. Is there a channel for them that they ask for help or do they just google and figure it out?
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2022-10-23 19:32:22	Namarrgon	jb12779761: no, there's no channel for "devs", they're just people like you and me
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2022-10-23 19:33:48	jelle	devs just light the linux signal
2022-10-23 19:34:18	ℹ 	zhang es conocido ahora como KeKou
2022-10-23 19:35:02	mattf	BrainDamage: the change was very recent: https://github.com/rvaiya/warpd/commit/639a06906434cbbca9c282b374d63bf38fa181d6
2022-10-23 19:35:58	mattf	10 hours ago, until then the that file existed, i tested the build and was not blindingly accepting suggestions 
2022-10-23 19:36:22	mattf	if you are the guy you will know what i mean ;)
2022-10-23 19:36:48	BrainDamage	matt: ah, my bad for that remark then
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2022-10-23 19:38:25	mattf	BrainDamage: but thanks for pointing it out and already giving a solution, that is pretty good
2022-10-23 19:38:48	mattf	this project is changing really fast sometimes
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2022-10-23 19:39:51	mattf	i think i was about to send an issue that is already fixed
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2022-10-23 19:57:12	Aardwolf	Hi, I can't get the built-in VTE of the geany text editor to work in a new archlinux install. I installed geany, geany-plugins and vte3. Geany needs libvte for this, and all references in archlinux point to vte3. Any idea what I still need to do to make vte work in geany?
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2022-10-23 20:01:09	astralc	does it work with other vte based terminals? (gnome-terminal, terminator, xfce4-terminal)
2022-10-23 20:01:18	MrElendig	errors being?
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2022-10-23 20:02:14	MrElendig	and you might want to read up on optdeps
2022-10-23 20:02:57	thrice	isn't vte3 the only optdep?
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2022-10-23 20:03:47	MrElendig	yes, but instead of reading random blogs, optdeps are usually the first place you should look
2022-10-23 20:03:50	Aardwolf	konsole works at least
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2022-10-23 20:04:20	astralc	konsole is not vte
2022-10-23 20:04:57	thrice	Hm, I just tried, at it WFM
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2022-10-23 20:05:13	Aardwolf	I installed gnome-terminal, and it says "gnome-terminal: error while loading shared libraries: libicuuc.so.72: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2022-10-23 20:05:13	Aardwolf	"
2022-10-23 20:05:21	thrice	https://i.imgur.com/4ETWaHc.png
2022-10-23 20:05:22	MrElendig	Aardwolf: partial update
2022-10-23 20:05:35	MrElendig	!partial
2022-10-23 20:05:36	phrik	https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/System_maintenance#Partial_upgrades_are_unsupported -- For how to fix, see: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/General_troubleshooting#Fixing_a_broken_system
2022-10-23 20:05:45	Aardwolf	ah that might be what happened then, I'll do a Syu then
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2022-10-23 20:06:20	Aardwolf	And that fixed everything including geany's VTE, thanks!
2022-10-23 20:06:22	astralc	thrice: is the lambda prompt some kind of meme?
2022-10-23 20:06:51	thrice	I don't know?  I've used it for awhile
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2022-10-23 20:07:11	Aardwolf	(the only behavior of geany was to simply not show the terminal, so had no error to base anything on... thanks for suggesting gnome-terminal which basically revealed this :D)
2022-10-23 20:07:37	MrElendig	might have complained if you ran it from a terminal
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2022-10-23 20:08:59	Aardwolf	even there only gtk widget related errors, geany really seems made to simply hide everythig terminal related if it can't successfully load the .so
2022-10-23 20:09:41	thrice	it's punishing you for being a partial upgrader
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2022-10-23 20:10:04	ℹ 	_aeris_ es conocido ahora como aeris
2022-10-23 20:10:18	Aardwolf	it's what happens sometimes when installing 1 thing but the servers lost the older versions of the packages, oh well
2022-10-23 20:10:36	Aardwolf	always a gamble if everything will work fine after that
2022-10-23 20:10:39	MrElendig	don't ever -Sy foobar
2022-10-23 20:10:40	thrice	mmmmm, sorry, no
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2022-10-23 20:43:51	ℹ 	fling_ es conocido ahora como fling
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2022-10-23 20:52:21	mikebutash	any one else with a totally fubar system after a -Syu lately with nvidia?
2022-10-23 20:53:23	mikebutash	upgraded last night, and now nvidia wont' find my screens.
2022-10-23 20:53:54	mikebutash	it sees them, just won't use them, and no idea why.
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2022-10-23 21:00:51	Namarrgon	is this a laptop?
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2022-10-23 21:04:03	mikebutash	it is
2022-10-23 21:04:11	mikebutash	thinkpad t15g2
2022-10-23 21:04:44	mikebutash	im using lts as the kernel was fuct for this currently per recommmendation here
2022-10-23 21:04:59	Namarrgon	so you're using nvidia-dkms, not nvidia?
2022-10-23 21:05:05	mikebutash	tried new and old, no workie, currently reerting nvidia drivers
2022-10-23 21:05:12	mikebutash	no, nvidia-lts
2022-10-23 21:06:19	mikebutash	with lts kernel
2022-10-23 21:06:19	Namarrgon	are you trying to start an x11 WM/DE or wayland?
2022-10-23 21:06:19	mikebutash	sddm, xorg
2022-10-23 21:06:19	mikebutash	wayland no workie here
2022-10-23 21:06:19	Namarrgon	have you looked at the xorg log?
2022-10-23 21:06:19	mikebutash	never figured out why
2022-10-23 21:06:19	mikebutash	yeah, no screens
2022-10-23 21:06:19	Namarrgon	post it to as paste service
2022-10-23 21:06:19	mikebutash	it sees the displays, but says no screens found
2022-10-23 21:06:35	mikebutash	I would if I had a working desktop
2022-10-23 21:06:44	Namarrgon	!give mikebutash ix
2022-10-23 21:07:02	phrik	mikebutash: <command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-10-23 21:07:05	mikebutash	I'm on my old box I keep around for this sort of thing
2022-10-23 21:07:23	mikebutash	kinda just wondering if nvidia drivers were fucko lately
2022-10-23 21:07:37	Namarrgon	boot the system and post the log
2022-10-23 21:16:44	mikebutash	yeah, gimme a bit on that, working between broken and fallback systems physically
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2022-10-23 21:16:44	mikebutash	was downgrading nvidia-lts to my last to see, will try downgrading kernel too
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2022-10-23 21:16:44	MrElendig	mismatched nvidia module and userspace version?
2022-10-23 21:16:44	mikebutash	no, checked that
2022-10-23 21:16:44	mikebutash	all -utils and -settings were right
2022-10-23 21:16:44	◣	rv1sr (~rv1sr@user/rv1sr) ha salido
2022-10-23 21:16:44	MrElendig	in the xorg log
2022-10-23 21:16:44	MrElendig	pacman won't tell you
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2022-10-23 21:16:44	mikebutash	hmm, well downgrading is giving me a whole host of other errors now
2022-10-23 21:16:44	mikebutash	sec
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2022-10-23 21:16:44	jb12779761	How can I suspend my laptop ssh to it and conserve battery at the same time? Having the laptop plugged into AC power is recommended of course but how about on battery power?
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2022-10-23 21:16:58	MrElendig	you obviously can't do anything when it is suspended
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2022-10-23 21:17:12	ℹ 	jesopo es conocido ahora como jess-o-lantern
2022-10-23 21:17:13	BrainDamage	if the connection is wired, you can use wake on lan
2022-10-23 21:17:13	MrElendig	would have to WoL it
2022-10-23 21:17:57	MrElendig	some also support wol over wifi
2022-10-23 21:17:57	MrElendig	but then you use a lot more power
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2022-10-23 21:35:57	Namarrgon	drop the "-n 100"
2022-10-23 21:36:18	omen	arch wiki does vaguely suggest that realtime kernel could maybe imporve game performance in some game(s)
2022-10-23 21:37:02	burakcank	Namarrgon: https://dpaste.com//HXCM3H6PV
2022-10-23 21:37:21	omen	could i get in theroy lower input latency or output latency with games in rt kernel
2022-10-23 21:38:36	jb12779761	Why is gdm still showing up as my login manager when i did systemctl disable gdm and systemctl enable lightdm then did systemctl stop gdm, logged into a tty then did systemctl start lightdm?
2022-10-23 21:38:43	Namarrgon	omen: the tradeoff for reduced latency is usually reduced throughput, you have to test it for your usecase and decide if it's worth it
2022-10-23 21:38:44	jb12779761	if that makes any sense
2022-10-23 21:38:51	omen	i really wish i had a super slomo camera so i could test this
2022-10-23 21:40:30	jb12779761	So wierd https://dpaste.org/f3ANa
2022-10-23 21:40:33	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oxxA.Bg7MyySo
2022-10-23 21:40:33	phrik	Title: dpaste/f3ANa (Python) (at dpaste.org)
2022-10-23 21:41:33	Namarrgon	jb12779761: systemctl status display-manager.service
2022-10-23 21:42:35	jb12779761	Namarrgon: https://dpaste.org/18QPT
2022-10-23 21:42:38	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oxxB.rKI8L8DU
2022-10-23 21:42:39	phrik	Title: dpaste/18QPT (Python) (at dpaste.org)
2022-10-23 21:42:41	jb12779761	i need to find another paste sight
2022-10-23 21:42:53	burakcank	Namarrgon: found a related post https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/1974
2022-10-23 21:42:54	Namarrgon	have you looked at the output?
2022-10-23 21:42:55	phrik	Title: *ERROR* ring gfx_0.0.0 timeout when using firefox, chrome or icaclient when dpm performance level = auto (#1974) · Issues · drm / amd · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2022-10-23 21:42:58	Namarrgon	jb12779761: ^
2022-10-23 21:43:49	jb12779761	Namarrgon: Says its active and running
2022-10-23 21:44:04	Namarrgon	jb12779761: yes but which service unit is it aliased to?
2022-10-23 21:45:05	jb12779761	Namarrgon: Don't know
2022-10-23 21:45:11	Namarrgon	look at the output
2022-10-23 21:45:38	jb12779761	gdm.service?
2022-10-23 21:45:48	Namarrgon	jb12779761: "tree /etc/systemd/system"
2022-10-23 21:45:49	Namarrgon	yes
2022-10-23 21:46:45	Namarrgon	burakcank: unfortunately that error is pretty generic but you can try the workaround from that thread
2022-10-23 21:47:05	jb12779761	Namarrgon: https://termbin.com/pwj0
2022-10-23 21:47:26	Namarrgon	so you know what to do now?
2022-10-23 21:47:38	jb12779761	yea disable it
2022-10-23 21:48:07	Namarrgon	!give jb12779761 cookie
2022-10-23 21:48:08	phrik	jb12779761: Namarrgon wanted you to have this cookie. 🍪
2022-10-23 21:48:18	jb12779761	ok let me reboot
2022-10-23 21:49:11	burakcank	Namarrgon: him having an amd gpu and showing the same symptoms persuaded me I guess :)
2022-10-23 21:52:59	jb12779761	Thanks Namarrgon 
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2022-10-23 22:18:41	Namarrgon	mikebutash: your xorg configs are custom
2022-10-23 22:22:55	thumbs	/56/56
2022-10-23 22:29:12	mattf	is there a special field for optional make dependencies in PKGBUILDS
2022-10-23 22:29:25	mattf	or should i just use optdepends... but those are for runtime
2022-10-23 22:30:16	mattf	I wanted to specify a group of optional dependencies for a single feature
2022-10-23 22:30:25	mattf	at compile time
2022-10-23 22:33:59	Namarrgon	if they don't need to be present during build-time then only add them to optdepends, if they need to be present during build-time then add them to makedepends and optdepends
2022-10-23 22:36:53	mattf	Namarrgon: adding them to makedepends wont make them always needed
2022-10-23 22:36:55	mattf	?
2022-10-23 22:37:23	thrice	they'll be installed during build-time, but not required by the package
2022-10-23 22:37:33	burakcank	Namarrgon: crashed with the same error just now: Oct 23 23:29:47 arch-pc kernel: [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* ring gfx_0.0.0 timeout, but soft recovered
2022-10-23 22:38:07	mattf	thrice: so what i want is optionally needed during build time
2022-10-23 22:38:11	burakcank	I'll take a look at this
2022-10-23 22:38:36	mattf	oh i guess they are just optdepends, they are needed for running too 
2022-10-23 22:39:05	Namarrgon	that doesn't sound very optional
2022-10-23 22:39:16	mattf	this is a bit complicated
2022-10-23 22:39:24	mattf	i think should be two packages
2022-10-23 22:42:16	throstur	sounds like two packages to me, package, and package-with-feature
2022-10-23 22:42:23	mattf	yep
2022-10-23 22:43:03	BrainDamage	can the program run if the depend have been included at build time, but not at run time?
2022-10-23 22:43:34	BrainDamage	because if yes, the general tendency is to add them
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2022-10-23 23:10:13	Namarrgon	embrace the bloat, install them all
2022-10-23 23:11:26	mattf	wayland and Xorg
2022-10-23 23:11:44	mattf	i actually have both installed
2022-10-23 23:12:10	mattf	but can't properly use wayland 
2022-10-23 23:12:34	mattf	can someone test warpd-wayland  on aur ? :)
2022-10-23 23:15:08	jb12779761	mattf: Test it in aVM?
2022-10-23 23:15:20	mattf	yeah
2022-10-23 23:15:30	jb12779761	a vm*
2022-10-23 23:15:37	mattf	i know
2022-10-23 23:17:27	Namarrgon	/home/alex/build/warpd-wayland/PKGBUILD: line 22: cd: warpd-wayland-1.3.4: No such file or directory
2022-10-23 23:18:23	Ennea	hey, i have a /home/alex, too :)
2022-10-23 23:18:41	mattf	oh that makes sense
2022-10-23 23:18:52	Namarrgon	have you not tested it?
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2022-10-24 01:06:57	jb12779761	Guys i messed up my xfce a while ago like a couple of days ago trying to make it use i3 as the window manager. now xfce terminal starts in the corner and can't move it. and any browswer i can't move. any ideas on how to fix? i've delted xfce folder from home directory removed cache reinstalled xfce4 but everything is the same. gotta be a way to reset everything back to factory settings?
2022-10-24 01:07:12	jb12779761	i'm in xfce right now typing things
2022-10-24 01:07:39	Edu4rdSHL	Which folders you delete
2022-10-24 01:07:42	Edu4rdSHL	Which folders you deleted *
2022-10-24 01:07:49	dandels	In my experience i3wm doesnt behave very well inside xfce. Iirc it's better to run xfce-panel in i3 than i3 in xfce.
2022-10-24 01:07:53	mpan	jb12779761: also, do you use xfwm or still on i3?
2022-10-24 01:08:07	Edu4rdSHL	And how are you starting xfce
2022-10-24 01:08:14	Edu4rdSHL	And just use xfwm :p
2022-10-24 01:08:15	jb12779761	mpan: forgot how to change it
2022-10-24 01:08:33	dandels	you probably still have xfce files in .config
2022-10-24 01:08:45	jb12779761	neofetch shows de xfce4 but no window manager
2022-10-24 01:08:49	jb12779761	it used to say xwfm4
2022-10-24 01:08:49	Edu4rdSHL	.config/xfce4 is the folder
2022-10-24 01:09:05	mpan	Well, so no window manager. At least we know what is the issue.
2022-10-24 01:09:21	mpan	How do you start xfce? Edu4rdSHL asked.
2022-10-24 01:09:34	jb12779761	i chose it in the drop down of lightdm
2022-10-24 01:09:46	jb12779761	its wierd and slow like something is wrong with it
2022-10-24 01:09:54	Edu4rdSHL	> Which folders you deleted
2022-10-24 01:09:56	dandels	!startx
2022-10-24 01:09:57	phrik	startx is the best display manager.
2022-10-24 01:09:58	dandels	;D
2022-10-24 01:10:05	Edu4rdSHL	People wants help but doesn't answer anything
2022-10-24 01:10:07	mpan	Start it using startxfce4.
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2022-10-24 01:27:11	jb12779761	Sorry guys I gotta out this on hold wife came home asking us and the kids to clean
2022-10-24 01:27:15	jb12779761	BRB
2022-10-24 01:27:42	gr33n7007h	lol
2022-10-24 01:27:55	mpan	Ask her to fix Arch while the rest of you are cleaning. ;)
2022-10-24 01:32:34	mpan	thrice: just for the future reference, in session settings (dconf-editor) I can see something called “failsafe session” that does include xfwm4. Maybe that is it. Worth remembering if the person returns.
2022-10-24 01:32:57	mpan	s/dconf-editor/xfce4-settings-editor/
2022-10-24 01:35:58	jb12779761	Wife is busy lol
2022-10-24 01:36:20	jb12779761	I tried to log into xfce and it says unable to contact settings server
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2022-10-24 02:10:37	Nomenclatura	jb12779761: /join ##politics
2022-10-24 02:10:44	Nomenclatura	!oops
2022-10-24 02:10:44	phrik	Nomenclatura did it again!
2022-10-24 02:11:00	jb12779761	Thanks all 😎
2022-10-24 02:11:24	jb12779761	I need to back up everything before I make a change
2022-10-24 02:18:50	jb12779761	I swear doing stuff in this house is just crazy 5 kids a wife and trying to learn linux nightmare!
2022-10-24 02:20:07	⚡ 	thrice stopped at 1 kid and has peace and quiet
2022-10-24 02:24:08	gromit	How did you setup your IRC? Is it running somewhere permanently or do you join/leave from your device? 
2022-10-24 02:24:20	gromit	* irc client
2022-10-24 02:27:58	dandels	I take it you're asking everyone
2022-10-24 02:29:18	dandels	now that you mention it, I have a raspberry pi that could stay connected to irc while i change between pc/laptop, but it's not really worth the trouble
2022-10-24 02:29:49	throstur	it depends on a lot of factors... for one time use, maybe use a webchat, otherwise weechat is a good client
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2022-10-24 02:49:54	keir	gromit: hm? the website is a wiki.
2022-10-24 02:50:52	keir	gromit: i see! getting a 500. maybe there should be a redirect there. yeah the wiki is the right place.
2022-10-24 02:51:11	gromit	keir: if i visit https://znc.in (as linked on their github) I get a HTTP 500
2022-10-24 02:51:20	thelinuxuser	I do as well
2022-10-24 02:51:54	thelinuxuser	https://wiki.znc.in/ loads fine for me
2022-10-24 02:51:56	phrik	Title: ZNC (at wiki.znc.in)
2022-10-24 02:51:56	thelinuxuser	try that
2022-10-24 02:52:14	keir	gromit: i got the same. the wiki is the right place. that's the main homepage.
2022-10-24 02:53:53	thelinuxuser	Also I have a question for NVIDIA laptop users
2022-10-24 02:53:57	thelinuxuser	How is wayland
2022-10-24 02:54:00	thelinuxuser	for monitors
2022-10-24 02:54:08	thelinuxuser	I have a Quadro RTX 3000
2022-10-24 02:54:21	thelinuxuser	And my laptop shows no external display output in wayland
2022-10-24 02:54:27	thelinuxuser	when using the proprietary drivers
2022-10-24 02:54:34	thelinuxuser	Should I try the open kernel modules?
2022-10-24 02:54:38	thelinuxuser	or stick to nouvou
2022-10-24 02:54:48	thelinuxuser	and pass my GPU to a vm
2022-10-24 02:54:55	throstur	do what works
2022-10-24 02:55:11	thelinuxuser	Just wandering the current state of it
2022-10-24 02:55:20	thelinuxuser	Because I don't want to muck around with drivers
2022-10-24 02:55:48	throstur	are you using arch linux?
2022-10-24 02:56:07	thelinuxuser	not right now
2022-10-24 02:56:15	thelinuxuser	I use gentoo as my main os
2022-10-24 02:56:19	thelinuxuser	on my 1Tb drive
2022-10-24 02:56:27	thelinuxuser	And I am going to install arch on my 512GB
2022-10-24 02:56:29	thelinuxuser	drvie
2022-10-24 02:56:36	thelinuxuser	I just like to plan ahead
2022-10-24 02:56:45	thelinuxuser	So I can have a smooth thought through installation
2022-10-24 02:56:55	throstur	what is the purpose of dual booting separate distros?
2022-10-24 02:57:26	throstur	I ask for you specifically and not rhetorically
2022-10-24 02:57:27	thelinuxuser	Even though gentoo has slots, I prefer arch for some things
2022-10-24 02:57:33	thelinuxuser	And gentoo for others
2022-10-24 02:57:39	thelinuxuser	Like bleeding edge stuff on arch
2022-10-24 02:58:02	throstur	do you want to use the same users? because you can use the same /home on separate distros, kinda :)
2022-10-24 02:58:35	thelinuxuser	I did that for a bit - but the main reason for arch is because gentoo is not allowed at my job :)
2022-10-24 02:58:39	thelinuxuser	So I just keep it seperate
2022-10-24 02:58:44	thelinuxuser	Gentoo for personal projects and stuff
2022-10-24 02:58:46	thelinuxuser	Arch for work
2022-10-24 02:58:59	throstur	actually I'm about to lead you down a deep rabbit hole, the point of the exercise is that there are a million ways and one to do it, your mileage will vary... bringing me back to do what works
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2022-10-24 02:59:37	thelinuxuser	Yep - that is why linux is a great thing - everyone can have their perfect system :)
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2022-10-24 03:19:07	thelinuxuser	So - Intel or amd?
2022-10-24 03:19:52	thelinuxuser	I have a £3000 budget. So far I was thinking about zen 4 - but 13th gen is looking pretty good ngl. Which works better with linux>
2022-10-24 03:21:48	gromit	I think its a systemd timer that presses enter after ~0.3s 
2022-10-24 03:22:07	throstur	that's a very high wpm there then
2022-10-24 03:22:15	throstur	and a hell of a lot of idling
2022-10-24 03:22:40	throstur	just get whatever fits the rest of your build
2022-10-24 03:22:45	throstur	build around the component most important to you
2022-10-24 03:22:54	thelinuxuser	Fair enough
2022-10-24 03:23:16	throstur	nobody is going to say use A or B, just use what works, we use linux because it works don't we
2022-10-24 03:24:07	thelinuxuser	Yeah - I get it. All I know is that I have learnt my lesson with NVIDIA. I use wayland and do not use CUDA so I know that it will be AMD for sure.
2022-10-24 03:24:17	throstur	the only exception is if you are asked about text editors, just say that you use vim so you don't have to answer condescending questions about mousing in emacs
2022-10-24 03:24:46	throstur	so there you have it
2022-10-24 03:25:12	thelinuxuser	:)  - I use vim anyway
2022-10-24 03:25:31	thelinuxuser	Vim follows the UNIX principle of 'do one thing, and do it well'.
2022-10-24 03:25:42	thelinuxuser	PERSONALLY, I find emacs to be too much
2022-10-24 03:26:17	keir	hm i think vi is closer to that principle ;)
2022-10-24 03:26:54	sereg	ed does it pretty well too 
2022-10-24 03:26:58	Edu4rdSHL	I use echo and sed to edit files
2022-10-24 03:27:12	Edu4rdSHL	More Unix principle
2022-10-24 03:27:16	thelinuxuser	Edu4rdSHL I am at your service god
2022-10-24 03:28:13	thelinuxuser	But emacs tries to do much I think - I just want a lightweight text editor in my terminal, not another OS. At this point, if GNU herd ever gets to a stable (no), then I feel like emacs os will be a thing
2022-10-24 03:29:26	keir	emacs os is already a thing. it's not unusual for people to work entirely in emacs.
2022-10-24 03:29:52	keir	emacs has irc, web browser, email, and more?
2022-10-24 03:29:55	thelinuxuser	Yeah - I mean just emacs (An emacs de)
2022-10-24 03:30:10	thelinuxuser	Also I forgot an emacs kernel
2022-10-24 03:30:22	Edu4rdSHL	The only thing Emacs miss is a text editor
2022-10-24 03:30:33	thelinuxuser	Edu4rdSHL :D
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2022-10-24 05:58:59	throstur	how do I amend an existing factoid
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2022-10-24 06:19:23	throstur	I wonder what happened to the quotes, but not enough to start digging for logs
2022-10-24 06:19:37	throstur	it's actually quite late and I should get to bed probably, good chat though
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2022-10-24 07:03:17	◣	tasse (~tasse@user/tasse) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2022-10-24 07:03:17	ℹ 	tassee es conocido ahora como tasse
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2022-10-24 07:26:25	Cork	how do one find the MatchProduct id for libinput qurks?
2022-10-24 07:26:29	mon0theist	throstur: is csgo running like crap for you? apparently it's known to run poorly on Linux
2022-10-24 07:27:25	mon0theist	runs very poorly for me unfortunately despite turning everything to low settings ^
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2022-10-24 07:58:02	mon0theist	is there a respectful/polite way to request a maintainer to update a package? conky hasn't been updated since April and is several versions behind 
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2022-10-24 08:28:12	Edu4rdSHL	Cork, xinput 
2022-10-24 08:28:33	Edu4rdSHL	Or udevadm info --query=property --name=/pat/to/device
2022-10-24 08:42:05	Cork	Edu4rdSHL: ah, perfect thanks
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2022-10-24 09:45:33	colo	hmm, seems like   [ALPM] upgraded fontconfig (2:2.14.0-1 -> 2:2.14.1-2)   severly affected my urxvt xft-based font rendering. anyone else noticing such effects?
2022-10-24 09:51:44	tatsumaru	if someone has physical access to my linux machine and I am logged out, can they change my password without rebooting the PC?
2022-10-24 09:52:17	tatsumaru	i know they can easily change my pass if they chroot, but that would require them to reboot right?
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2022-10-24 10:25:16	Ennea	hm.. is the atom feed of https://security.archlinux.org/ not updated anymore?
2022-10-24 10:25:18	phrik	Title: Vulnerable issues - Arch Linux (at security.archlinux.org)
2022-10-24 10:29:21	Foxboron	Ennea: low activity in the security team since the start of this year
2022-10-24 10:32:59	Ennea	Foxboron, thing is, there are more recent entries on the website compared to the feed, where the latest entry is from april
2022-10-24 10:33:03	Ennea	or maybe im misinterpreting things
2022-10-24 10:33:14	Foxboron	oh
2022-10-24 10:33:30	Foxboron	hm
2022-10-24 10:36:34	Foxboron	Ennea: I think there is a bug somewhere because of an updated dependency
2022-10-24 10:36:54	Foxboron	and I do know the rss feed have been disabled previously because of that
2022-10-24 10:42:16	Ennea	Foxboron, i see. thanks!
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2022-10-24 11:02:05	tatsumaru	isn't there something you can press on the login screen that gives you access to some sort of a terminal?
2022-10-24 11:03:25	tatsumaru	oops I left by accident, I am back
2022-10-24 11:03:26	Foxboron	tatsumaru: you can switch to a TTY, and on previous Arch installs the root account had no password. But this was fixed.. 2 years ago or something
2022-10-24 11:05:07	tatsumaru	Foxboron: I just pressed ctrl + alt + f1 and a blinking cursor appeared for a few seconds then I was returned to the login screen. 
2022-10-24 11:06:55	tatsumaru	h4rd3n3d: oh yeah, that worked. it just gives you another login so it seems safe
2022-10-24 11:09:18	tatsumaru	i know there is an app for Mac that automatically locks your screen if the power cord is pulled out (useful for notebooks). is there something like that for Arch?
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2022-10-24 11:34:18	tatsumaru	MrElendig: why is session locking not secure?
2022-10-24 11:34:34	MrElendig	tatsumaru: 1. xorg is fundamentally broken
2022-10-24 11:34:39	MrElendig	tatsumaru: 2. most get it wrong
2022-10-24 11:34:52	MrElendig	tatsumaru: 3. sysrq is often enabled
2022-10-24 11:37:00	tatsumaru	what do you mean with 2.
2022-10-24 11:37:20	MrElendig	https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon-screensaver/issues/354
2022-10-24 11:37:23	MrElendig	things like that
2022-10-24 11:38:21	tatsumaru	MrElendig: I see, what about sysrq, how does that allow access?
2022-10-24 11:39:25	dagle	The problem isn't you can segfault a screensaver, the problem imo is that xorg can't handle it correctly and it counts as an unlock.
2022-10-24 11:40:54	MrElendig	dagle: hence #1
2022-10-24 11:42:27	MrElendig	one fun side effect is that on eg some potato hardware, or in case of some software bug, the oom killer might decide to murder the screensaver
2022-10-24 11:43:55	MrElendig	tatsumaru: a small selection of issues are listed in the security concerns of the xscreensaver manual, and they basically apply to all screensavers/lockers on X
2022-10-24 11:44:40	tatsumaru	oh I see, so that's why gdm on wayland is more secure I guess
2022-10-24 11:44:47	MrElendig	for wayland the ideal would be for the compositor itself to do the locking, not relying on an external process
2022-10-24 11:47:27	tatsumaru	Is X.org and X the same thing?
2022-10-24 11:49:28	MrElendig	x.org is the foundation that is maintaining the current most used X11 implementation
2022-10-24 11:50:01	MrElendig	"X.Org Server is the free and open-source implementation of the X Window System display server stewarded by the X.Org Foundation."
2022-10-24 11:50:23	MrElendig	xfree86 is still around, but it basically have something like 8 users :p
2022-10-24 11:50:36	MrElendig	also despite its name, its anything but free these days
2022-10-24 11:50:47	tatsumaru	xfree86 is a different implementation of the same display server?
2022-10-24 11:51:23	MrElendig	yes, xorg was forked from it due to a disagreement over the licensing
2022-10-24 11:51:38	MrElendig	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86#2004:_Licensing_controversy
2022-10-24 11:51:39	phrik	Title: XFree86 - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2022-10-24 11:51:50	tatsumaru	  wayland and x.org should team up IMO
2022-10-24 11:52:04	MrElendig	tatsumaru: wayland is created by the xorg devs so......
2022-10-24 11:52:16	tatsumaru	oh my bad, nvm then
2022-10-24 11:53:19	Ennea	lol
2022-10-24 11:53:34	MrElendig	tatsumaru: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIctzAQOe44
2022-10-24 11:53:39	MrElendig	well worth watching
2022-10-24 11:53:57	tatsumaru	thanks I will check it out right now
2022-10-24 11:55:36	MrElendig	https://youtu.be/b8OY4VtYx1s too for a more detailed technical view
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2022-10-24 14:31:13	CyberShadow	Hi. I can't run multiple rootless Xorg instances, due to the problem also described here: https://superuser.com/questions/1745040/how-to-start-multiple-rootless-xorg-instances-in-linux . It looks like Xorg is trying to call DRM_IOCTL_SET_VERSION, but that fails because only the DRM "master" can do that, and the first Xorg to run becomes the master. Does anyone have any ideas for a workaround?
2022-10-24 14:31:15	phrik	Title: How to start multiple rootless Xorg instances in Linux? - Super User (at superuser.com)
2022-10-24 14:41:35	gnana	tty terminal color and onts can be changed ?
2022-10-24 14:41:39	gnana	font*
2022-10-24 14:41:58	artefact	where? in kernel VTs?
2022-10-24 14:42:40	gnana	i mean the ctrl+alt , 1 2 3 4
2022-10-24 14:42:50	gnana	dont know what you talking about?
2022-10-24 14:43:15	artefact	!give gnana aw Linux_console
2022-10-24 14:43:16	phrik	gnana: Linux console - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Linux_console
2022-10-24 14:44:17	gnana	thank you. :
2022-10-24 14:44:35	artefact	not sure if colours can be changed dynamically
2022-10-24 14:45:40	identitas	How can I blank screen till moving mouse? xset s off isn't working for some reason
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2022-10-24 15:02:58	astralc	(I don't think types matter for most stuff except EFI and XBOOTLDR, maybe other systemd shenanigan with auto detect)
2022-10-24 15:04:46	midnite	h4rd3n3d: do you ever refer to anything besides the arch wiki when you are looking for linux-related information online? if so, great - that's what I just did, too.
2022-10-24 15:05:00	midnite	I agree, though, the Arch Wiki is fantastic
2022-10-24 15:05:55	midnite	sometimes, though, a quick 'for dummies' how-to will answer my question more quickly than a lengthy, thorough Arch Wiki on the subject
2022-10-24 15:05:57	⚡ 	midnite shurgs
2022-10-24 15:06:45	midnite	which wiki was the one that was really good, and then somehow got wiped out, and nobody had bothered to make a proper backup? was that Gentoo?
2022-10-24 15:06:48	astralc	midnite: now you need to do all the pv/vg/lv stuff before mkfs
2022-10-24 15:06:58	astralc	so read the wiki
2022-10-24 15:07:02	midnite	astralc: yep, I'm aware of that, thanks though
2022-10-24 15:07:13	midnite	already am :)
2022-10-24 15:08:02	midnite	the nice thing about Arch, is that I have to learn to set up something like LVM manually, and the best part about that, imho is, if I break something... well, I set it up, so chances are I already have some idea of how to fix it
2022-10-24 15:08:25	midnite	with something that holds my hand and covers things in GUIs... that abstraction is nice, until it isn't
2022-10-24 15:08:43	midnite	yeah, I am somewhat familiar with LVM
2022-10-24 15:08:46	midnite	thanks though
2022-10-24 15:20:12	phrik	Title: Roderick W. Smith (at rodsbooks.com)
2022-10-24 15:21:28	midnite	oh, nice.
2022-10-24 15:22:26	midnite	bookmarked
2022-10-24 15:23:59	midnite	already found something of value here: a link which led me to https://scienceunited.org/
2022-10-24 15:24:01	phrik	Title: Science United (at scienceunited.org)
2022-10-24 15:24:09	midnite	I've been looking for things to use my gpu for besides folding@home
2022-10-24 15:24:15	midnite	and videogames, lol
2022-10-24 15:24:35	astralc	learn blender?
2022-10-24 15:24:54	midnite	I alrady have enough things on my plate to learn. but yeah, maybe, some day
2022-10-24 15:26:16	midnite	I have a question regarding
2022-10-24 15:26:17	midnite	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Drive_preparation#dm-crypt_wipe_on_an_empty_disk_or_partition
2022-10-24 15:26:18	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Drive preparation - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-24 15:26:41	midnite	in order to wipe a partition before encrypting it, is it necessary to make a filesystem on said partition? I'm guessing, no?
2022-10-24 15:27:12	midnite	the wipe method given here is with dd, specifically
2022-10-24 15:27:14	midnite	dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mapper/to_be_wiped status=progress
2022-10-24 15:27:35	brjl	midnite: No. dd doesn't care for your filesystem.
2022-10-24 15:27:46	midnite	alright
2022-10-24 15:27:48	midnite	thanks
2022-10-24 15:27:53	MacGyver	You could just as easily just cat /dev/zero into the blockdev.
2022-10-24 15:27:57	brjl	^
2022-10-24 15:31:03	midnite	h4rd3n3d: this? https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup/-/blob/main/FAQ.md
2022-10-24 15:31:05	phrik	Title: FAQ.md · main · cryptsetup / cryptsetup · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2022-10-24 15:32:54	midnite	I did. that was the first result for me.
2022-10-24 15:33:21	midnite	also - I don't use google, but even if I did, they don't show the same results to everyone
2022-10-24 15:35:39	midnite	if you've heard of ddg, you've probably heard of that, though - 'filter bubbles'
2022-10-24 15:37:04	midnite	if I read something that long and didn't get anything out of it, well... I'd be a little annoyed :P
2022-10-24 15:37:07	MacGyver	I just checked, it has the right answer concerning plausible deniability, so the rest is probably fine.
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2022-10-24 16:09:35	dandels	anyway regarding ssd encryption, have others experienced the computer freezing consistently during heavy io?
2022-10-24 16:10:21	dandels	I did https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Specialties#Disable_workqueue_for_increased_solid_state_drive_(SSD)_performance and think the problem disappeared, but I'm not eager to do repeated IO tests that hang my computer
2022-10-24 16:10:22	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Specialties - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-24 16:13:17	midnite	does your processor support hardware acceleration for whatever kind of encryption you're doing?
2022-10-24 16:13:38	midnite	I have *no* idea if that's the issue or not, I'm a n00b. it's just the first thing that came to mind for me
2022-10-24 16:18:11	astralc	h4rd3n3d: you can also nuke the header
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2022-10-24 16:45:27	MacGyver	midnite: Considering all the shenanigans from the last decade or so, the advice I personally give people is to do 3 separate random data overwrites, followed by an ATA secure erase.
2022-10-24 16:46:07	thelinuxuser	Hi
2022-10-24 16:46:10	MacGyver	midnite: That way you have a *reasonable* chance of having overwritten the stuff in the free pool, even if ATA secure erase is badly implemented.
2022-10-24 16:46:12	thelinuxuser	I am trying to setup gtv-g
2022-10-24 16:46:27	MacGyver	midnite: But, I say again, *none* of this is even remotely necessary on a new disk.
2022-10-24 16:46:32	thelinuxuser	And I can't find mdev
2022-10-24 16:46:36	thelinuxuser	I am usin g an i9-10885h
2022-10-24 16:47:08	thelinuxuser	also my kernel is 6.0.2-arch1-1
2022-10-24 16:49:04	Scimmia	thelinuxuser: you don't want mdev
2022-10-24 16:49:17	thelinuxuser	?
2022-10-24 16:49:26	thelinuxuser	The arch wiki says run this ls /sys/devices/pci${GVT_DOM}/$GVT_PCI/mdev_supported_types
2022-10-24 16:49:29	thelinuxuser	sand I get
2022-10-24 16:49:37	thelinuxuser	ls: cannot access '/sys/devices/pci//mdev_supported_types': No such file or directory
2022-10-24 16:49:45	thelinuxuser	so mdev_supported_types does not exist.
2022-10-24 16:49:51	thelinuxuser	Is there a bios setting?
2022-10-24 16:49:56	thelinuxuser	I have drm protection disabled
2022-10-24 16:50:22	Scimmia	oh, a different mdev
2022-10-24 16:50:26	thelinuxuser	yeah
2022-10-24 16:50:43	MacGyver	Presumably this is on the intel on-board GPU?
2022-10-24 16:50:53	midnite	is there some command I can run to make the terminal ring the bell? I'm in the arch install medium, and I'd like my machine to *beep* once a command finishes
2022-10-24 16:50:59	midnite	e.g. foo -bar && beep
2022-10-24 16:51:03	MacGyver	I *probably* can't help you then but ping me in an hour or two to check.
2022-10-24 16:51:05	Scimmia	thelinuxuser: the wiki page got gtv-g talks about that
2022-10-24 16:51:14	thelinuxuser	Yeah
2022-10-24 16:51:18	thelinuxuser	this is the igpu
2022-10-24 16:51:28	Scimmia	s/got/for
2022-10-24 16:51:52	MacGyver	thelinuxuser: Scimmia is specifically referring to https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Intel_GVT-g#Missing_mdev_supported_types_directory
2022-10-24 16:51:53	phrik	Title: Intel GVT-g - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-24 16:52:44	thelinuxuser	tThe message of drm not supported does not exist
2022-10-24 16:53:00	thelinuxuser	and lsmod | grep kvmgt gives
2022-10-24 16:53:09	thelinuxuser	kvmgt                 430080  0
2022-10-24 16:53:09	thelinuxuser	mdev                   28672  1 kvmgt
2022-10-24 16:53:10	thelinuxuser	vfio                   32768  2 kvmgt,vfio_iommu_type1
2022-10-24 16:53:10	thelinuxuser	kvm                  1138688  2 kvmgt,kvm_intel
2022-10-24 16:53:11	thelinuxuser	i915                 3149824  28 kvmgt
2022-10-24 16:53:14	thelinuxuser	so all good
2022-10-24 16:53:53	MacGyver	Oh, in that case.
2022-10-24 16:54:02	MacGyver	You need to actually *set* the variables you're using.
2022-10-24 16:54:19	MacGyver	Not sure where you got ls /sys/devices/pci${GVT_DOM}/$GVT_PCI/mdev_supported_types from but both GVT_DOM and GVT_PCI are unset.
2022-10-24 16:54:34	MacGyver	Since they're clearly empty strings judging from the error message.
2022-10-24 16:56:02	thelinuxuser	Like export in /etc/enviroment
2022-10-24 16:56:29	thelinuxuser	oh right
2022-10-24 16:56:31	thelinuxuser	Wait one sec
2022-10-24 16:57:18	MacGyver	Not necessarily, the point is, just fill in the right strings where they need to go.
2022-10-24 16:57:21	brjl	Honestly, I think you're skipping the basics and jumping into the deep end. Why *do* you want mdev?
2022-10-24 16:57:32	thelinuxuser	For igpu pasttrhough
2022-10-24 16:57:36	thelinuxuser	Graphics acceleration
2022-10-24 16:57:49	thelinuxuser	right now I actually read the commands from the wiki
2022-10-24 16:57:50	thelinuxuser	still get
2022-10-24 16:57:51	thelinuxuser	ls: cannot access '/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/mdev_supported_types': No such file or directory
2022-10-24 16:58:23	Scimmia	thelinuxuser: what CPU?
2022-10-24 16:58:27	MacGyver	I sincerely doubt those are the right numbers for you.
2022-10-24 16:58:35	thelinuxuser	i9-10885h
2022-10-24 16:58:37	thelinuxuser	and if i run
2022-10-24 16:58:41	brjl	I'm pretty sure those IDs are incorrect.
2022-10-24 16:58:52	MacGyver	Could you simply run `find /sys -type d -name mdev_supported_types` ?
2022-10-24 16:59:03	thelinuxuser	yep
2022-10-24 16:59:04	thelinuxuser	get nothing
2022-10-24 16:59:06	thelinuxuser	and if i run
2022-10-24 16:59:10	thelinuxuser	lspci | rg VGA
2022-10-24 16:59:16	thelinuxuser	I get
2022-10-24 16:59:17	thelinuxuser	00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation CometLake-H GT2 [UHD Graphics] (rev 05)
2022-10-24 16:59:18	thelinuxuser	01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation TU106GLM [Quadro RTX 3000 Mobile / Max-Q] (rev a1)
2022-10-24 16:59:25	thelinuxuser	So I am pretty sure it is correct
2022-10-24 16:59:57	MacGyver	If the directory isn't there, then some prerequisite isn't met.
2022-10-24 17:00:16	thelinuxuser	Which one
2022-10-24 17:00:21	thelinuxuser	let me wget paste some stuff
2022-10-24 17:00:24	brjl	>get nothing; Then how do you expect to find a directory that isn't there
2022-10-24 17:00:32	MacGyver	Also
2022-10-24 17:00:34	thelinuxuser	That is the point
2022-10-24 17:00:34	MacGyver	!give thelinuxuser paste
2022-10-24 17:00:35	phrik	thelinuxuser: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-10-24 17:00:54	MacGyver	In case you need larget pastes.
2022-10-24 17:00:57	MacGyver	larger*
2022-10-24 17:01:13	thelinuxuser	https://dpaste.com/EJ5EJJNGU
2022-10-24 17:01:14	thelinuxuser	thank you
2022-10-24 17:01:32	thelinuxuser	https://dpaste.com/EH2KHKDSP
2022-10-24 17:01:49	thelinuxuser	https://dpaste.com/654Y54KZW
2022-10-24 17:01:58	MacGyver	i9.enable_gvt=1 looks wrong.
2022-10-24 17:02:05	thelinuxuser	Whats up with that?
2022-10-24 17:02:24	thelinuxuser	Ah one sec
2022-10-24 17:02:27	thelinuxuser	I will change that
2022-10-24 17:02:28	MacGyver	That shouldn't be a kernel parameter.
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2022-10-24 17:02:44	midnite	by the way, thelinuxuser - if you ever need to paste on the command line, utilities like termbin.com exist :)
2022-10-24 17:02:47	midnite	e.g. 
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2022-10-24 17:02:59	MacGyver	And if you *do* make it a kernel parameter it needs to be i915.
2022-10-24 17:03:02	MacGyver	The name of the module.
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2022-10-24 17:17:46	midnite	paste () { cat "$@" | nc termbin.com 9999; }
2022-10-24 17:17:46	MacGyver	(The somewhat preferred way of setting module parameters is using /etc/modprobe.d )
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2022-10-24 17:17:46	MacGyver	(But either way, this will work as long as it's i915 instead of i9)
2022-10-24 17:17:46	thelinuxuser	yep
2022-10-24 17:17:46	thelinuxuser	fixed it
2022-10-24 17:17:46	thelinuxuser	I will reboot - give me one sec :)
2022-10-24 17:17:46	◣	thelinuxuser (~thelinuxu@2.126.47.10) ha salido (Quit: Client closed)
2022-10-24 17:17:46	MacGyver	1.
2022-10-24 17:17:46	MacGyver	Timeout, !next
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2022-10-24 17:17:46	thelinuxuser	Thank you so much!
2022-10-24 17:17:46	thelinuxuser	That worked
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2022-10-24 17:17:46	midnite	I'm writing psuedo-random data to /dev/sda, while booted into the Arch install medium. the tty keeps spitting out squashfs errors. I'm a bit confused about why
2022-10-24 17:17:46	midnite	isn't squashfs all to do with the install medium? so why is writing to the machine's internal drive causing this?
2022-10-24 17:17:46	midnite	it's also impossible to actually do anything on the machine right now, even launch vim
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2022-10-24 17:17:46	tralala	midnite, apparently /dev/sda was your install medium
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2022-10-24 17:17:46	tralala	which is now gone
2022-10-24 17:17:46	◣	motherfsck (~motherfsc@user/motherfsck) ha salido (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2022-10-24 17:17:46	midnite	uh, no. this flash drive is not 250 GiB
2022-10-24 17:17:46	midnite	also, /dev/sda is not mounted anywhere, while /dev/sdb is mounted at /run/archiso/bootmnt
2022-10-24 17:17:46	midnite	/dev/sdb***
2022-10-24 17:17:46	midnite	oh, nvm, I did write it correctly
2022-10-24 17:17:46	midnite	the first time.
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2022-10-24 17:17:46	⚡ 	midnite requires caffeine
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2022-10-24 17:17:46	midnite	but yeah, sdb is definitely the flash drive containing the install medium
2022-10-24 17:17:46	tralala	did you by any chance use sdb instead of sda for writing the data?
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2022-10-24 17:17:46	midnite	pretty sure I did not.
2022-10-24 17:17:46	midnite	also, the install medium still boots; I'm in it again right now
2022-10-24 17:17:46	midnite	anyway, I just created a partition spanning the entire internal disk, and I'll write random junk to *that*, and maybe that'll work a little better
2022-10-24 17:17:46	midnite	though I see no reason why writing to /dev/sda would cause those errors to appear
2022-10-24 17:17:48	tralala	I'm out of ideas. It did sound like you overwrote the install media, but if that's not the case I don't know what it is.
2022-10-24 17:17:52	midnite	here is what I was doing:
2022-10-24 17:17:55	midnite	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Drive_preparation#dm-crypt_wipe_on_an_empty_disk_or_partition
2022-10-24 17:17:56	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Drive preparation - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-24 17:34:54	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-10-24 17:35:06	GuiToris	I tried to create hotspots on two different distros, both were created by network manager
2022-10-24 17:40:58	GuiToris	every device can connect to it, only one, my phone
2022-10-24 17:41:15	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-10-24 17:41:15	throstur	does not compute
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2022-10-24 18:07:14	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1448 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1448 normals)
2022-10-24 18:00:06	GuiToris	I saw absolutely nothing when I tried to connect, however when I used other phones it was more talkative
2022-10-24 18:00:24	GuiToris	I saw when I entered wrong passwd or I could make a connection
2022-10-24 18:00:48	GuiToris	I updated my phone to android 12, hoping it would solve the problem
2022-10-24 18:00:55	GuiToris	at least, it didn't make it worse
2022-10-24 18:01:20	GuiToris	modem -> computer -> phone
2022-10-24 18:01:25	GuiToris	that's the route
2022-10-24 18:01:36	GuiToris	I would give it an IP address
2022-10-24 18:02:08	GuiToris	from the ISP, I use cables
2022-10-24 18:02:56	GuiToris	I don't know, it's not in this room, but I should be able to connect to my laptop, if I didn't have an internet connection, shouldn't I?!
2022-10-24 18:03:28	GuiToris	the error message I got 'Couldn't connect' is just not enough
2022-10-24 18:03:42	GuiToris	I talked to Samsung, and they said, that's all
2022-10-24 18:04:25	GuiToris	if I make a hotspot in the middle of nowhere, I should be able to connect to it with my phone, regardless of the Internet connection
2022-10-24 18:05:35	GuiToris	it doesn't even try obtaining ip address
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2022-10-24 18:07:18	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-10-24 18:09:32	GuiToris	¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I really don't know what the problem is. I tried opensuse too, it didn't work either, however it was a completely different hardware
2022-10-24 18:09:49	GuiToris	I can connect to other hotspots (the ones I made with another android phone)
2022-10-24 18:10:23	Edu4rdSHL	So, stop floding the Arch channel with that problem
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2022-10-24 18:15:14	teraflops	oops
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2022-10-24 18:15:21	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-10-24 18:16:45	Edu4rdSHL	megumin, do you know what it does, right?
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2022-10-24 18:17:04	megumin	yes
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2022-10-24 18:17:27	Edu4rdSHL	And you know that it fixes a lot of problems too, right?
2022-10-24 18:17:46	Edu4rdSHL	s/a lot/probably the most common problem/
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2022-10-24 18:18:01	megumin	i had no problems
2022-10-24 18:18:09	teraflops	that's the spirit
2022-10-24 18:18:13	Edu4rdSHL	Haha
2022-10-24 18:18:28	jkc	megumin: "you don't like it" why?
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2022-10-24 18:19:24	megumin	just say how to disable it
2022-10-24 18:19:30	Edu4rdSHL	You don't
2022-10-24 18:19:48	astralc	isn't it disabled by default?
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2022-10-24 18:19:50	jkc	megumin: You don't disable it. It's part of the package manager's core functionality, far as I know.
2022-10-24 18:20:17	astralc	or something else start it?
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2022-10-24 18:21:28	megumin	is it a joke?
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2022-10-24 18:21:39	Edu4rdSHL	No
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2022-10-24 18:22:15	Scimmia	megumin: mask it
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2022-10-24 18:22:25	brjl	Keep your jokes in #aot. This place's only serious business... :þ
2022-10-24 18:22:28	jkc	megumin: You COULD try answering the question of why you want to disable it.
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2022-10-24 18:23:25	jkc	Though the "why" should be a technical reason, not something so vague as "I don't like it." If you give a good reason, people are more likely to assist you.
2022-10-24 18:23:26	megumin	because i rule the system 
2022-10-24 18:23:28	teraflops	yeah what's wrong with Refresh existing PGP keys of archlinux-keyring regularly
2022-10-24 18:23:36	jkc	megumin: That's not a technical reason. Try again.
2022-10-24 18:23:42	Scimmia	jkc: it's very much NOT part of the package managers core functionality
2022-10-24 18:23:52	Edu4rdSHL	"Because idk what I'm doing but I want to disable it"
2022-10-24 18:23:54	Edu4rdSHL	xD
2022-10-24 18:24:18	brjl	What is it they're trying to disable? I got disconnected and lost buffer
2022-10-24 18:24:19	jkc	Edu4rdSHL: Basically, yeah. Translated: "I think I know more than I do, to a shocking degree."
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2022-10-24 18:24:26	Scimmia	for the most part, totally useless if you keep the system up to date
2022-10-24 18:24:55	jkc	Scimmia: Based on current evidence, that last clause is a pretty generous assumption to make in this case.
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2022-10-24 18:26:36	Scimmia	jkc: what evidence is that?
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2022-10-24 18:27:40	jkc	Scimmia: Read your backscroll, and try to resist your everpresent urge to be argumentative. For once.
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2022-10-24 18:29:45	astralc	since when this timer come enabled by default?
2022-10-24 18:29:57	Edu4rdSHL	Since it was created
2022-10-24 18:30:28	Scimmia	jkc: I read the backscroll, it shows nothing where it would be required. Do you even understand what it's actually doing?
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2022-10-24 18:31:13	MacGyver	Oh that reminds me.
2022-10-24 18:31:21	MacGyver	Does the timer also rotate keys *out* of use?
2022-10-24 18:31:52	MacGyver	I.e. if I'm trying to (re)install a three months old package and a packager key has been revoked in the intervening months, will that result in failure?
2022-10-24 18:31:55	Edu4rdSHL	I agree with Scimmia, but also the user not baing able to answer why "doesn't like it" is clearly a reason that he shouldn't disable it
2022-10-24 18:32:01	Edu4rdSHL	not being *
2022-10-24 18:32:26	astralc	ah, it in the recent months added
2022-10-24 18:32:39	astralc	*add in recent months
2022-10-24 18:33:43	astralc	*added
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2022-10-24 18:34:21	Scimmia	MacGyver: the revokation would be on the server, so I think so, but I'm not certain. That's assuming the key was actually revoked, though, I don't think that's usually the case
2022-10-24 18:34:23	ℹ 	Phr33d0m_ es conocido ahora como Phr33d0m
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2022-10-24 18:34:42	MacGyver	Asking because I'm one of those shitheads who run their system against the ALA.
2022-10-24 18:34:51	Scimmia	sigs get revoked, so that could be an issue
2022-10-24 18:34:58	throstur	my journal says that my GPU fell off the bus, how do I figure out why?
2022-10-24 18:35:09	MacGyver	Hmm. I'll revisit my setup the first time it actually happens, we'll see. Thanks.
2022-10-24 18:35:13	Edu4rdSHL	Post the full log
2022-10-24 18:36:11	Scimmia	h4rd3n3d: OK, so why would this timer/service ever be useful on an up to date system?
2022-10-24 18:36:57	Scimmia	jkc is claiming 'evidence' without citing any, so you're up
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2022-10-24 18:37:47	throstur	fwiw, evidence is no longer a requirement for conviction in western countries
2022-10-24 18:38:34	Scimmia	and that was the entire point of contention
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2022-10-24 18:39:20	Scimmia	as for ixup, I only pointed out that the entire thing was in single quotes. adding more like you were initally saying would have broken it even more
2022-10-24 18:39:28	throstur	https://bpa.st/TXMQ relevant journalctl entry, next thing that happens is I hard-reset the machine because I see nothing
2022-10-24 18:39:32	phrik	Title: View paste TXMQ (at bpa.st)
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2022-10-24 18:40:28	throstur	I try to be neutral; Scimmia's point on the ixup/quote thing is irrefutable. arguments on timers for updates have existed for at least 10 years that I can remember and there is history behind it
2022-10-24 18:40:44	throstur	the topic used to be something like "don't pacaur -u every second"
2022-10-24 18:41:17	Edu4rdSHL	throstur, which driver version?
2022-10-24 18:41:24	teraflops	that timer runs the script once a week
2022-10-24 18:41:34	throstur	Edu4rdSHL: driver? how do I find that
2022-10-24 18:41:44	teraflops	nvidia?
2022-10-24 18:41:50	Edu4rdSHL	Yes, it's a nvidia card, no?
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2022-10-24 18:42:10	throstur	http://sprunge.us/NEe4lu
2022-10-24 18:42:15	throstur	indeed, 520.56.06
2022-10-24 18:42:21	throstur	sprunge is output of modinfo
2022-10-24 18:43:24	Edu4rdSHL	Do you have set something in /etc/modprobe.d/ for nvidia?
2022-10-24 18:43:47	throstur	not there at least, directory is empty
2022-10-24 18:43:48	MacGyver	Scimmia: I mean, there was the case about two months ago with a key being used that had only been in the keyring for a shorter time than usual. Don't recall which one it was, just that it resulted in an inordinate amount of people running into it. Presumably that's what jkc meant.
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2022-10-24 18:44:21	MacGyver	Matrix had a CVE again?
2022-10-24 18:44:27	throstur	bridge terminating on sigterm? 
2022-10-24 18:44:35	throstur	ah, the matrix bridge
2022-10-24 18:44:58	Scimmia	MacGyver: this won't fix missing keys, though
2022-10-24 18:45:21	MacGyver	Scimmia: I thought that was the whole point of the timer? I didn't really follow the discussions after the initial mail, I'll admit.
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2022-10-24 18:45:38	Scimmia	it would fix expired keys and marginal trust issues, that's it AFAIK
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2022-10-24 18:46:18	Scimmia	a new key would have to be specifically downloaded by pacman or with the archlinux-keyring package
2022-10-24 18:46:23	⚡ 	MacGyver looks at what's actually in /usr/lib/systemd/system/archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync.service
2022-10-24 18:47:17	throstur	I think the core point here is that it is unnecessary pedanticism
2022-10-24 18:47:28	MacGyver	Scimmia: Right, pretty explicitly says so in the preamble of the script too. Well that's useless then.
2022-10-24 18:47:30	throstur	if the factiod bothers you when I get out, I'll change it just for you
2022-10-24 18:48:01	MacGyver	Or well, not totally useless but not fixing the problem I thought it was fixing.
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2022-10-24 18:49:36	Bayes	how dangerous is running this? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Detecting_more_unneeded_packages
2022-10-24 18:49:37	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-10-24 18:50:25	teraflops	Bayes: it's run in dry-run mode (print) so no risk at all
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2022-10-24 18:50:34	Bayes	no, I get that
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2022-10-24 18:50:54	teraflops	o w7o the --print?
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2022-10-24 18:51:07	MacGyver	Bayes: Dangerous.
2022-10-24 18:51:09	teraflops	oh w/o ^
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2022-10-24 18:51:14	MacGyver	There's a reason you should inspect the output.
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2022-10-24 18:51:34	Bayes	but I mean if I were to remove -print, how much can I trust that the packages listed there aren't really necessary... I took a cursory look at the list but it's hard for me to tell
2022-10-24 18:51:39	astralc	it will list optional dependencies, so beware
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2022-10-24 18:51:53	MacGyver	Bayes: You cannot trust that.
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2022-10-24 18:52:11	MacGyver	Bayes: E.g. for me it lists a tonne of packages I actually know I do need.
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2022-10-24 18:52:40	MacGyver	aspell, linux-firmware, wireless-regdb, to name a few.
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2022-10-24 18:52:46	Bayes	I figured, cause it lists emacs which I really like and use! http://ix.io/4e1M
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2022-10-24 18:53:01	⚡ 	throstur runs
2022-10-24 18:53:29	MacGyver	Bayes: pacman databases do not have sufficient granularity to determine user intent in these cases, so getting rid of actually unneeded packages is a manual process.
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2022-10-24 18:54:01	NoobAlice	Bayes: You have emacs installed as a dependency?  You can change that to explicit...
2022-10-24 18:54:13	Bayes	this command on the other hand gave me a more reasonable list http://ix.io/4e1P these are "orphans"
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2022-10-24 18:54:38	Bayes	NoobAlice I don't know why that happened, I assume I did sudo pacman -Syu emacs but it was ages ago
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2022-10-24 18:55:18	astralc	pacman -S won't change to explicit already installed package
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2022-10-24 18:56:24	Bayes	I'll inspect my pacreport to see if there's stuff I should remove http://ix.io/4e1Q
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2022-10-24 18:56:28	NoobAlice	Bayes: You probably installed something else that pulled emacs in as a dependency.  Look at pacman -D to change the type. :)
2022-10-24 18:56:42	Bayes	thanks astralc NoobAlice
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2022-10-24 18:57:11	MacGyver	Also consider that your time is more valuable than taking a proverbial pitchfork to the pacman stables.
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2022-10-24 18:57:36	MacGyver	I.e. that last list of packages that pacman can't determine really *need* to be there? They're not harming anything.
2022-10-24 18:57:57	MacGyver	Only do that if you get some personal satisfaction out of it.
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2022-10-24 19:03:01	Bayes	MacGyver fair enough
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2022-10-24 19:17:22	lonesoul	hi everyone
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2022-10-24 19:26:07	lonesoul	hello
2022-10-24 19:26:55	mtn	lonesoul: hi, do you have an arch support question?
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2022-10-24 19:30:20	⚡ 	throstur puts chips on "how are you"
2022-10-24 19:31:19	lonesoul	no. i just wanted to chat mtn 
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2022-10-24 19:31:42	throstur	there is #archlinux-offtopic for that
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2022-10-24 19:31:55	lonesoul	sorry. i did not knwo that throstur 
2022-10-24 19:32:10	throstur	nothing to apologize for, if anything I should be the one apologizing for introducing you
2022-10-24 19:32:24	teraflops	there is #archlinux-offtopic for casual chatting and/or getting mad
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2022-10-24 19:32:48	lonesoul	thanks throstur 
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2022-10-24 19:37:17	Bayes	can you at a user when leaving a comment in an aur package?
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2022-10-24 19:39:35	teraflops	I don't get what you meant
2022-10-24 19:40:44	Bayes	lol
2022-10-24 19:41:21	Bayes	can you @mention an arch user when you leave a message in an AUR package website?
2022-10-24 19:41:23	throstur	Bayes: s/at/tag/1
2022-10-24 19:42:31	MacGyver	I mean sure you can.
2022-10-24 19:42:42	MacGyver	Nothing stopping you from putting a printable ASCII character there.
2022-10-24 19:42:52	MacGyver	What *effect* do you expect it to happen though?
2022-10-24 19:43:09	MacGyver	Because spoiler alert: anything you say next the answer will be "No it doesn't do that."
2022-10-24 19:43:12	teraflops	I do not think "msntion will send an email to an user
2022-10-24 19:43:19	teraflops	@mention
2022-10-24 19:43:46	Bayes	well I was hoping to ping the other user but that's fine
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2022-10-24 19:44:51	teraflops	give it a try, maybe that user has notifications enabled on that AUR package
2022-10-24 19:45:15	Bayes	yeah I'll just leave a message and that's fine
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2022-10-24 19:48:55	MacGyver	Arguably, un-intelligent queries get noticed more.
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2022-10-24 19:54:22	ℹ 	elastic_dog es conocido ahora como Guest3315
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2022-10-24 19:54:22	ℹ 	elastic_1 es conocido ahora como elastic_dog
2022-10-24 19:54:32	jensen	i get the error: fsearch: error while loading shared libraries: libicuuc.so.71: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory . any ideas?
2022-10-24 19:54:39	jensen	system up-to-date
2022-10-24 19:54:48	jensen	i rebuilt the package from the aur
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2022-10-24 19:57:31	teraflops	jensen: which version of cuda-tools do you have installed?
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2022-10-24 20:02:15	teraflops	is cuda-tools the only package that provides that file?
2022-10-24 20:02:21	jensen	nvmd i'm an idiot, rebuilt fsearch but i was using fsearch-git. rebuilt fsearch-git and now it's fine. i don't use cuda-tools and it was never needed even as build dep
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2022-10-24 20:02:43	teraflops	I was fooled by pacman -Fy that file
2022-10-24 20:03:01	astralc	it from core/icu, but other version (.72)
2022-10-24 20:03:11	teraflops	ah
2022-10-24 20:03:27	astralc	pacman -Fx 'libicuuc.*'
2022-10-24 20:03:37	astralc	run pacman -Fy before
2022-10-24 20:03:46	teraflops	TIL thanks
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2022-10-24 20:16:07	Foxboron	FOLKS
2022-10-24 20:16:17	Foxboron	New mkinitcpio release has been pushed to [testing]
2022-10-24 20:16:20	Foxboron	have fun
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2022-10-24 20:17:03	jelle	go forth and test
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2022-10-24 20:20:54	MrElendig	no [testing] no fun
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2022-10-24 20:38:17	Exa	Hi, I think I got issues with my keyboard, it seems like sometimes it triggers the escape key in a loop (I guess), which means I can no longer run dmenu (it closes upon starting).  How can I check which keys are currently pressed?  I'm running sway.  Thanks.
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2022-10-24 20:48:36	Exa	h4rd3n3d: it's a usb keyboard, I don't have any issues when writing
2022-10-24 20:48:59	Exa	I have this issue since yesterday and I already rebooted
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2022-10-24 20:51:38	dandels	Exa: there's wev in the AUR which is like xev
2022-10-24 20:52:13	Edu4rdSHL	Exa, I dpubt it has to do with your keyboard, loos like a dmenu issue :p
2022-10-24 20:53:20	Exa	Edu4rdSHL: no, I have a similar issue in discord where it keeps going down, just like when you press escape
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2022-10-25 17:07:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-10-25 17:07:12	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1431 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1431 normals)
2022-10-25 02:21:15	thelinuxuser	I will finish writing up my 3rd script and then move on
2022-10-25 02:21:43	thelinuxuser	just to check - it is pacman --noconfirm -S packagename
2022-10-25 02:21:50	thelinuxuser	to install package without confirmation?
2022-10-25 02:22:37	thelinuxuser	How can I run commands concurrently in bash?
2022-10-25 02:25:35	snk	xargs or gnu parallel should be able to do that
2022-10-25 02:25:51	thelinuxuser	snk  thank you
2022-10-25 02:26:00	snk	you can also just background the processes and then `wait`, but xargs is probably a better solution
2022-10-25 02:26:22	thelinuxuser	!man xargs
2022-10-25 02:26:22	phrik	thelinuxuser: https://man.archlinux.org/man/xargs#
2022-10-25 02:28:58	thelinuxuser	Again - really pushing it, but would anyone mind giving me some feedback on my scripts?
2022-10-25 02:29:08	Edu4rdSHL	It's the Arch channel
2022-10-25 02:29:13	Edu4rdSHL	How's that related to Arch?
2022-10-25 02:29:24	thelinuxuser	Edu4rdSHL An arch install script?
2022-10-25 02:29:50	Edu4rdSHL	Use archinstall
2022-10-25 02:30:09	thelinuxuser	I use btrfs
2022-10-25 02:30:15	thelinuxuser	So I would rather not use archinstall
2022-10-25 02:30:16	jkc	So does archinstall.
2022-10-25 02:30:31	thelinuxuser	jkc I don't think it lets you use custom subvolumes?
2022-10-25 02:33:02	jkc	Have you tried?
2022-10-25 02:33:10	thelinuxuser	I did
2022-10-25 02:44:40	SponiX	archinstall does btrfs now?
2022-10-25 02:45:33	thelinuxuser	yeah
2022-10-25 02:45:41	thelinuxuser	Just can't create custom subvols
2022-10-25 02:45:48	thelinuxuser	So I don't think it is really worth it
2022-10-25 02:47:40	SponiX	I'm thinking about moving my Arch install over to btrfs when I finally get funds for a larger OS drive
2022-10-25 02:58:38	Nomenclatura	why?
2022-10-25 02:59:11	Edu4rdSHL	btrfs makes even more sense on small devices because its compression, tho
2022-10-25 03:01:11	demonicmaniac	sort of but gotta consider that kernel modules are also zstd compressed nowadays already as are manpages and stuff. so it's really only headers and docs that actually can be compressed
2022-10-25 03:02:34	Edu4rdSHL	That isn't how btrfs compression works really, there's a LOT of more things that are compressed 
2022-10-25 03:03:13	demonicmaniac	that is how btrfs compression works it works on 4k pages and sees if they can be compressed
2022-10-25 03:03:39	demonicmaniac	now deduplication isn't compression and also not part of the compress option
2022-10-25 03:04:57	digital_mystik	hello.. does anyone know why gnupg won't resolve for me when using DNS over TLS via systemd-resolved and a symlinked `stub-resolv.conf` to `resolv.conf`? I have used stubby in the past but went to try out something new. Everything else resolves fine
2022-10-25 03:06:02	digital_mystik	there appears to be a similar bug report on the issue tracker: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/23737
2022-10-25 03:06:17	primalmotion	hello! I moved my initrd to systemd. eveything works nice. however, there's a weird thing happening when I resume from hibernation. After entering my luks passphrase, I get "Failed to mount /sysroot", but then continues to resume without apparent problem. this error is a tad stressful, and I could not find anything about this. Tons of entries about people getting dropped into recovery shell, but
2022-10-25 03:06:19	primalmotion	tthat's not what I experience
2022-10-25 03:06:23	Edu4rdSHL	demonicmaniac, there's compress-force
2022-10-25 03:06:55	Edu4rdSHL	digital_mystik, `resolvectl status`
2022-10-25 03:08:33	Nomenclatura	blocked by that dns provider?
2022-10-25 03:08:43	demonicmaniac	Edu4rdSHL: which will just be worse because it will increase filesizes 
2022-10-25 03:08:53	Edu4rdSHL	No, it will not
2022-10-25 03:08:54	demonicmaniac	just like recompressing an already compressed file
2022-10-25 03:08:58	Nomenclatura	I've resolved that by adding the ip of the key server in hosts
2022-10-25 03:09:09	Edu4rdSHL	> If compress-force is specified, then compression will always be attempted, but the data may end up uncompressed if the compression would make them larger. 
2022-10-25 03:09:15	Edu4rdSHL	Check the btrfs manpages :D
2022-10-25 03:09:35	digital_mystik	Edu4rdSHL: 🤷‍ works now.. lol that was weird
2022-10-25 03:11:23	demonicmaniac	Edu4rdSHL: oh i see. so it will simply not compress still then any already compressed file
2022-10-25 03:11:40	digital_mystik	https://paste.sr.ht/blob/cceda6648bf34485d8a7150d09cd0427707a9bc0
2022-10-25 03:12:15	digital_mystik	hiccup I guess
2022-10-25 03:12:24	demonicmaniac	Edu4rdSHL: oh compress-force is just doing it on all 4k blocks apparently and discarded if it is bigger in the end when all 4k blocks are processed so you MIGHT get 1% of compression for 100% of cpu and then discarded
2022-10-25 03:12:28	demonicmaniac	sounds terrible
2022-10-25 03:16:26	Nomenclatura	digital_mystik: it may take a min or so for resolution to work when you switch methods
2022-10-25 03:20:38	tusko	My arch fails to resume after hybrid-sleep. 
2022-10-25 03:20:57	tusko	It sort of has a blinking cursor and then goes to black screen of infinite darkness
2022-10-25 03:21:04	tusko	I cannot get into another tty
2022-10-25 03:22:10	Nomenclatura	hybrid sleep doesn't work on all machines
2022-10-25 03:22:54	Nomenclatura	Check online for your specific computer model and see if somebody else has figured out a way to have hibernation and suspend working, then you can try hybrid
2022-10-25 03:49:17	primalmotion	gom
2022-10-25 03:49:27	primalmotion	(oops)
2022-10-25 06:44:41	bblinky	I think I lost the connection, so in case it didn't go through:
2022-10-25 06:44:57	bblinky	sr, wrong chan
2022-10-25 09:42:30	luigibu	is archmirror.it down?
2022-10-25 09:43:01	pktdrop	works for me
2022-10-25 09:47:29	mpan	luigibu: describe the symptoms, it will be easier to answer your question.
2022-10-25 09:48:52	luigibu	i get this: error: failed retrieving file 'core.db' from archmirror.it : The requested URL returned error: 403, everytime i try to update
2022-10-25 09:49:17	luigibu	also for extra.db and comunity.db
2022-10-25 09:51:27	mpan	luigibu: works here now. What is the **exact** line you have in your mirrorlist?
2022-10-25 09:52:00	luigibu	i never touched the list.. let me check
2022-10-25 09:52:20	mpan	You must have touched it to configure your mirrorlist. But that is irrelevant: what is the line?
2022-10-25 09:53:02	luigibu	i mind.. was working... and i did not touch it.. 
2022-10-25 09:53:14	mpan	Sure, but what is the exact line?
2022-10-25 09:53:25	luigibu	one sec.. 
2022-10-25 09:53:29	Ennea	mpan, don't have to touch it if reflector does it for you ;D
2022-10-25 09:53:45	mpan	Ennea: you must install reflector somehow. :>
2022-10-25 09:54:04	mpan	But I count that as touching too. :)
2022-10-25 09:54:45	Ennea	archiso comes with reflector. i had reflector build my mirrorlist, but don't even have it installed ;)
2022-10-25 09:54:53	luigibu	mpan: here https://ibb.co/9tjfKQW
2022-10-25 09:54:55	phrik	Title: Screenshot-20221025-095407 — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2022-10-25 09:56:53	mpan	luigibu: seems fine. If you try to use e.g. wget directly on <https://archmirror.it/repos/core/os/x86_64/core.db>, do you also see the error?
2022-10-25 09:56:54	jelle	the silly mirror does not allow directory listing
2022-10-25 09:57:13	jelle	error code: 1020%
2022-10-25 09:57:15	jelle	also it's bork :)
2022-10-25 09:57:29	mpan	jelle: allows here.
2022-10-25 09:57:41	Ennea	works here, too
2022-10-25 09:57:47	jelle	mpan: could be routing
2022-10-25 09:58:01	mpan	jelle: I am trying to eliminate as many factors as possible now.
2022-10-25 09:58:19	jelle	I can't be bothered, enough mirrors available :)
2022-10-25 09:58:22	mpan	Also that are three different servers, judging by `dig` output.
2022-10-25 09:58:23	luigibu	maybe pihole?
2022-10-25 10:01:22	luigibu	mpan: here... https://ibb.co/hsqqTbw
2022-10-25 10:01:23	phrik	Title: Screenshot-20221025-100049 — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2022-10-25 10:02:00	gnana	luigibu: secure connection failed
2022-10-25 10:02:47	jelle	gnana: that's not what it says :o
2022-10-25 10:03:02	gnana	An error occurred during a connection to ibb.co. PR_CONNECT_RESET_ERROR
2022-10-25 10:03:44	jelle	mpan: if you still care: Connecting to archmirror.it (archmirror.it)|104.26.5.235|:443... connected. :-)
2022-10-25 10:06:09	luigibu	maybe.. i just.. delete that mirror.. 
2022-10-25 10:13:52	luigibu	i updated reflector.conf, how can i manually triger to get the new list of mirrors? mpan?
2022-10-25 10:14:10	jelle	luigibu: reflector is a cli tool
2022-10-25 10:15:37	luigibu	but get executed automatically every x time i guess?
2022-10-25 10:16:12	jelle	luigibu: that's really not required
2022-10-25 10:18:01	mpan	Hmm… I wonder, why do you receive a different result.
2022-10-25 10:18:30	mpan	If you wish, you may contact the mirror owner and tell them about the issue. It may also be some misconfiguration on their side.
2022-10-25 10:18:46	luigibu	jelle: but i changed the settings.. to avoid it mirrors.. 
2022-10-25 10:18:50	mpan	(aside from changing the mirror)
2022-10-25 10:19:04	jelle	luigibu: huh?
2022-10-25 10:19:16	jelle	luigibu: why would you exclude all .it mirrors?
2022-10-25 10:19:23	jelle	or do you run reflector in some pacman hook?
2022-10-25 10:20:08	luigibu	done.. i restarted reflector.service and did the trick
2022-10-25 10:25:10	luigibu	jelle: archmirror.it is returning 403 error, i dont know why.. so.. i just changed the reflector settings.. to avoid italy.. nothing agians the country.. just to skip this mirror with the issue
2022-10-25 10:25:35	jelle	you could just comment out the mirror ;-)
2022-10-25 10:26:14	luigibu	i was afrad as reflector.service is running.. that the file will get overwriten in the next boot
2022-10-25 10:26:22	luigibu	not sure how it works...
2022-10-25 10:27:22	jelle	luigibu: well systemctl list-timers
2022-10-25 10:27:26	jelle	or is the service "enabled"
2022-10-25 10:28:13	luigibu	it is enabled yes
2022-10-25 10:28:26	jelle	o.o
2022-10-25 10:29:25	jelle	the timer?
2022-10-25 10:29:43	jelle	anyway you should really know how systemd knows :-)
2022-10-25 10:56:53	bluetail	I just avoided a NodeJS task
2022-10-25 10:57:00	bluetail	I dont like NodeJS
2022-10-25 10:57:52	jelle	!give bluetail offtopic
2022-10-25 10:57:53	phrik	bluetail: Take it to #archlinux-offtopic
2022-10-25 12:19:03	Ennea	that was me
2022-10-25 12:19:07	Ennea	among other people as well
2022-10-25 12:47:26	Ennea	:)
2022-10-25 13:13:54	mitch0	zsh is overrated
2022-10-25 13:36:02	ian|	Good morning! I recently ran `makepkg -si` on a PKGBUILD and want to remove the build dependencies. I ran `pacman -Qtd` but they do not appear here, clearly due to human error. Can someone point me to the right way to remove the build dependencies?
2022-10-25 13:37:01	mpan	ian|: in general `makepkg` has -r option to do that, so just invoke `makepkg -sir`. As for the stale ones, see pacman.log — it will tell you what was installed. Also PKGBUILD contains the list.
2022-10-25 13:37:06	artefact	pacman -Rs $(pacman -Qdtq)
2022-10-25 13:41:39	Scimmia	if they don't show in -Qdt, there are none
2022-10-25 13:42:55	ian|	Well I ran `pacman -Qs perl` and there were indeed some Perl build dependencies. I suppose I'll simply scroll up my terminal and manually type in the build dependencies into `pacman -Rsn`
2022-10-25 13:43:38	Scimmia	what PKGBUILD are we talking about?
2022-10-25 13:44:05	ian|	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/deadbeef
2022-10-25 13:44:52	mpan	ian|: the list is in makedeps.
2022-10-25 13:44:54	Scimmia	so it's the optional deps that are covering it up
2022-10-25 13:45:00	Scimmia	see -Qdtt
2022-10-25 13:45:26	Scimmia	note that you're removing functionality from deadbeef by removing them
2022-10-25 13:45:58	ian|	Ah! Never knew about `-Qdtt`! I enjoy pacman's flags syntax and the manpage is quite well-written, but was unaware of such optional dependency removal.
2022-10-25 15:36:06	enoq	so I've got 32gb of ram and my system locks up when I hit 32 gigs, however I've got like half of it filled as cache
2022-10-25 15:36:16	enoq	does Linux not properly evict the cache?
2022-10-25 15:36:22	enoq	is there a secret setting?
2022-10-25 15:36:42	MacGyver	Yes and no and kinda and urgh this is difficult.
2022-10-25 15:37:23	enoq	is the answer to Java development just 64 gigs of ram? although I've heard that 32 gigs and 48 gigs are basically the same due to loss of pointer compression
2022-10-25 15:37:25	MacGyver	So for starters, you probably don't want to run *entirely* without swap.
2022-10-25 15:37:34	MacGyver	But even *with* swap you'll hit this issue.
2022-10-25 15:38:33	MacGyver	So for that, you can look at early-oom or, in particular to avoid the lockup, set the sysctl vm.min_free_kbytes = 112640
2022-10-25 15:38:52	MacGyver	You'll still hit low-memory issues but they shouldn't lock up the system.
2022-10-25 15:39:07	enoq	 thanks, does that sysctl command persist the setting?
2022-10-25 15:39:18	MacGyver	No, set it in /etc/sysctl.d/something.conf
2022-10-25 15:39:23	enoq	thanks
2022-10-25 15:39:36	MacGyver	Note this is a dirty hacky workaround.
2022-10-25 15:39:50	MacGyver	But I prefer it to running an early-oom daemon on my own systems.
2022-10-25 15:40:00	enoq	yeah
2022-10-25 15:40:13	MacGyver	But early-oom would allow you to e.g. explicitly drop caches when there's just 1GiB left.
2022-10-25 15:40:22	enoq	not using any swap because I think it's killing your ssd
2022-10-25 15:40:28	MacGyver	You think wrong.
2022-10-25 15:40:32	MacGyver	But *shrug*.
2022-10-25 15:40:39	enoq	did they fix the write behavior?
2022-10-25 15:40:48	MacGyver	https://chrisdown.name/2018/01/02/in-defence-of-swap.html
2022-10-25 15:40:51	enoq	from what I've read the used to just swap everything that was low prio
2022-10-25 15:40:53	MacGyver	Just set swappiness to a low value.
2022-10-25 15:41:02	enoq	aah, that might work
2022-10-25 15:41:18	MacGyver	If you *really* care about minimizing writes.
2022-10-25 15:41:43	enoq	ah, fixed in linux 4.0+
2022-10-25 15:41:49	MacGyver	Now on the subject of "I don't know wtf is going on here":
2022-10-25 15:42:19	MacGyver	One thing I noticed on my own systems is, my browser takes a *lot* of memory and *some* of that memory *isn't* released when I kill the browser processes.
2022-10-25 15:42:36	MacGyver	And I can't for the life of me figure out where it goes.
2022-10-25 15:42:55	MacGyver	It *should* be available because it's undoubtedly cache, but it's not listed *as* available.
2022-10-25 15:43:12	MacGyver	But it *does* clear up when I echo 3 into /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
2022-10-25 15:43:26	enoq	I noticed that I get the lockup when watching videos
2022-10-25 15:43:36	enoq	maybe related to some gpu driver stack stuff?
2022-10-25 15:43:53	MacGyver	Point being: no, it might indeed not properly evict cache.
2022-10-25 15:44:21	MacGyver	Or it might be "properly" evicting "cache" but at least my understanding of what "cache" even is then is lacking.
2022-10-25 15:45:43	enoq	another thing: browser still run in xwayland
2022-10-25 15:45:59	enoq	so might be something wrong here with X emulation
2022-10-25 15:47:46	astralc	so run browser on wayland?
2022-10-25 15:47:56	enoq	aah, tmpfs
2022-10-25 15:48:16	enoq	that might be the thing that's shown as "cache"
2022-10-25 15:48:30	MacGyver	Oh yeah that's also a thing, yeah.
2022-10-25 15:48:39	enoq	I just ran out of space
2022-10-25 15:49:18	enoq	yes
2022-10-25 15:49:20	enoq	that was it
2022-10-25 15:49:46	enoq	cleaned some tmp download folders, instantly reclaimed 12 gigs of cache memory
2022-10-25 15:52:46	enoq	gradle script downloaded images to write some metadata csv, so file.delete() will fix that I hope
2022-10-25 15:53:10	kora9	Hi, when using a session manager my environment variables like XDG_CONFIG_DIR isn't respected during login, nor are the regular files. I've tried setting configs in ~/.config/environment.d which aren't read either (does that need a setting switch somewhere)?
2022-10-25 15:54:35	MacGyver	*During* login meaning what, exactly?
2022-10-25 15:56:08	kora9	MacGyver: When I try to login using any session manager it will try to read configs from $HOME rather than $HOME/.config where I keep all my configs.
2022-10-25 15:56:34	MacGyver	Sounds like a broken session manager because $HOME/.config is the XDG default.
2022-10-25 15:56:36	kora9	Normally I have $XDG_CONFIG_HOME set to ~/.config which works fine when not using a session manager, but when using a session manager none of the files I attempt to set env vars in are respected
2022-10-25 15:57:03	MacGyver	What configs is it supposed to read?
2022-10-25 15:57:06	kora9	MacGyver: XDG env vars aren't set at all, and aren't required to be set to the defaults
2022-10-25 15:57:36	kora9	MacGyver: wm configs and related configs. Pretty much everything
2022-10-25 15:57:40	MacGyver	If you say that environment variables like XDG_CONFIG_DIR aren't respected, the implication is that you're setting it to a non-default location.
2022-10-25 15:57:57	kora9	I'm not using a non-default location.
2022-10-25 15:58:07	MacGyver	But basically what you're saying is that this session manager is not using XDG locations to read configuration at all.
2022-10-25 15:58:09	kora9	I use $HOME/.config
2022-10-25 15:58:11	MacGyver	So what's the session manager?
2022-10-25 15:58:43	kora9	I've tried using gdm and sddm so far
2022-10-25 15:59:06	kora9	The issue doesn't appear to be that the session manager doesn't read XDG env vars, the XDG env vars aren't set (to anything)
2022-10-25 15:59:35	kora9	I imagine it's because systemd handles session logins now and the env vars needs to be set through systemd
2022-10-25 15:59:36	Scimmia	kora9: what are you trying to do exactly?
2022-10-25 15:59:57	kora9	I just want to use a session manager while still keeping my regular directory structure (keeping wm configs etc in $HOME/.config)
2022-10-25 16:00:24	Scimmia	that's completey up to the WM where it gets it's configs from
2022-10-25 16:00:45	kora9	The WM reads XDG_CONFIG_HOME for that, as does all other applications I'm trying to use (that's why it works without a session manager)
2022-10-25 16:01:26	MacGyver	XDG_CONFIG_HOME doesn't need to be set if you're using default locations.
2022-10-25 16:01:30	Scimmia	and XDG_CONFIG_HOME defaults to $HOME/.config when not set, so you're chasing the wrong problem
2022-10-25 16:02:35	kora9	MacGyver: For applications that *only* reads XDG_CONFIG_HOME yes, for applications that supports both it will look in traditional (non-XDG) directories if that variable isn't set
2022-10-25 16:02:54	Scimmia	and you mean display manager if you're talking about sddm and gdm. A session manager is totally different
2022-10-25 16:02:59	MacGyver	Then that application is broken.
2022-10-25 16:03:00	kora9	I imagine it's due to this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd/User#Environment_variables -- systemd handles the user login session right?
2022-10-25 16:03:02	phrik	Title: systemd/User - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-25 16:03:38	dandels	my guess is that the variables are incorrectly configured in some other location that the session manager reads
2022-10-25 16:03:41	Scimmia	kora9: how about going after the actual problem instead of what you *think* the problem is?
2022-10-25 16:04:15	kora9	Scimmia: Okay. How?
2022-10-25 16:04:25	kora9	dandels: That might be
2022-10-25 16:04:38	Scimmia	well tell us, specifially, what the problem is maybe?
2022-10-25 16:04:56	vvn	hi there -- if I wish to speed up the system, is it a good practice to add a preset to disable * then enable what's necessary afterwards? 
2022-10-25 16:04:58	Scimmia	what problem are you trying to solve?
2022-10-25 16:05:05	Scimmia	with what software
2022-10-25 16:05:50	kora9	Scimmia: When using gdm or sddm it tries to find configs in $HOME whereas I have my configs in $HOME/.config -- for xmonad/dunst/several other applications
2022-10-25 16:06:16	kora9	When not using gdm or sddm it works fine (I have XDG_CONFIG_HOME set in .bashrc normally)
2022-10-25 16:06:20	Scimmia	specifics. I don't want "configs" and "other applications"
2022-10-25 16:07:00	dandels	Does dunst or w/e find the config if it is in ~ specifically?
2022-10-25 16:07:28	kora9	dandels: Yeah, if I keep the configs in $HOME it will be found when I use gdm/sddm
2022-10-25 16:07:40	Scimmia	!bail
2022-10-25 16:07:40	phrik	Looks like Scimmia is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-10-25 16:07:48	dandels	vvn: Do you mean disabling all systemd services? Disabling them blindly isn't a good idea, find out what they do
2022-10-25 16:08:38	brjl	kora9: That sounds like a display manager misconfiguration.
2022-10-25 16:09:21	Scimmia	brjl: it's not
2022-10-25 16:09:37	kora9	brjl: I can't find any setting in either display manager that would cause that. It seems they respect XDG env vars by default if those variables are set
2022-10-25 16:10:07	vvn	dandels: yes, I want to boot as fast as possible and only enable services that I need on boot. I'm wondering what's the best way to do it. Disabling one by one seemed less obvious and disabling them all then enabling what's missing for the system to boot, but I'm not sure, hence I'm asking for advises first ;)
2022-10-25 16:10:17	Scimmia	brjl: it's completley sane and normal behavior from the DM
2022-10-25 16:11:11	dandels	vvn: Ah, you're talking about boot specifically. Did you look at systemd-analyze blame?
2022-10-25 16:12:08	brjl	Scimmia: Reading from $HOME instead of ~/.config is sane?
2022-10-25 16:12:09	vvn	dandels: I'm actually reading about it. It's weird that https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Improving_performance/Boot_process doesn't mention the presets. Is it something bad to use? 
2022-10-25 16:12:10	phrik	Title: Improving performance/Boot process - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-25 16:13:25	dandels	vvn: Do you mean the default services? There's not really a reason for it list them. Just run the command and see what taking so long.
2022-10-25 16:13:33	dandels	Also, it'd be helpful to know how fast your boot currently is
2022-10-25 16:15:01	kora9	brjl: I assume he's trolling based on what he's written previously
2022-10-25 16:15:27	MacGyver	dandels: dunst by default looks at .config/dunst/dunstrc.
2022-10-25 16:15:29	Scimmia	brjl: that has nothing at all to do with the DM
2022-10-25 16:15:45	brjl	vvn: Which can be achieved by just running systemd-analyze
2022-10-25 16:16:15	brjl	Scimmia: Is it not? Well then I'm probably out of my depth/not bothered enough to want to help.
2022-10-25 16:17:38	MacGyver	kora9: Have you checked whether XDG_CONFIG_HOME isn't being set *to* $HOME by gdm or sddm for some reason?
2022-10-25 16:17:46	MacGyver	That *would* explain this behaviour.
2022-10-25 16:17:51	MacGyver	Whereas "It's not being set at all" wouldn't.
2022-10-25 16:18:27	kora9	MacGyver: Oh that's an excellent point! I haven't checked that, though I haven't found anywhere where it would set the vars to that (it doesn't by default does it?)
2022-10-25 16:19:08	⚡ 	dandels thought they already said that. *shrug*
2022-10-25 16:20:18	kora9	bbiab
2022-10-25 16:23:12	⚡ 	brjl though he had already said that. Shrugs aswell
2022-10-25 16:50:23	MacGyver	h4rd3n3d: No that was specifically aimed at SSDs and (the ATA secure erase equivalent of) NVMes.
2022-10-25 16:50:38	MacGyver	h4rd3n3d: On spinning rust a single zero-fill gives sufficient confidence.
2022-10-25 16:50:47	MacGyver	Except now with SMR, maybe not.
2022-10-25 16:51:22	brjl	Shingled drives are better of with two passes.
2022-10-25 16:51:37	brjl	At least that's what I used to do :þ
2022-10-25 16:53:42	MacGyver	brjl: AIUI SMR has a bit of solid state storage inside it without external control over it, so the same concerns as with the SSD free pool exist.
2022-10-25 16:54:40	brjl	MacGyver: Huh. Never thought about that.
2022-10-25 17:07:12	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-10-25 17:11:37	MacGyver	Great news everybody! https://www.memtest.org/
2022-10-25 17:11:38	phrik	Title: Memtest86+ | The Open-Source Memory Testing Tool (at www.memtest.org)
2022-10-25 17:11:44	MacGyver	memtest86+ *FINALLY* has UEFI support.
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2022-10-25 17:11:58	vvn	dandels_: sorry I've been pulled off. Problem is there are packages installed that I might need later but no necessary on boot, that's why I thought about disabling them all before enabling only what's necessary
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2022-10-25 17:14:27	mattf	how long does it usually take until python 3.11 is on the arch repos
2022-10-25 17:14:43	mattf	new python releases**
2022-10-25 17:14:52	jelle	gonna take a while :)
2022-10-25 17:15:07	mattf	3 months, 6 months 1 year?
2022-10-25 17:15:47	jelle	mattf: rebuild did not start yet, but could surely take 2 weeks once started
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2022-10-25 17:16:28	mattf	ok so more like 3 months from now i guess
2022-10-25 17:16:46	jelle	sounds like a good bet :P
2022-10-25 17:16:47	dandels_	vvn: I'm not quite following. Arch generally doesn't automatically enable the systemd services of things you install, although afaik there are some exceptions
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2022-10-25 17:17:26	dandels_	As I already said, run "systemd-analyze blame" and you'll see what is actually running at boot and how long it takes for it to run
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2022-10-25 17:20:33	vvn	dandels_: will do!
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2022-10-25 18:27:46	GuiToris	ahh, I need some help. I forgot the pacman command for local files
2022-10-25 18:27:52	GuiToris	pacman -?? local.tar.zst
2022-10-25 18:28:25	Scimmia	for installing them? -U
2022-10-25 18:28:40	GuiToris	yes
2022-10-25 18:28:41	GuiToris	thank you
2022-10-25 18:28:48	GuiToris	it totally slipped my mind
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2022-10-25 18:33:20	Ennea	check the wiki next time ;)
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2022-10-25 18:34:16	xx	MacGyver: any idea why they have a GRUB version of memtest?
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2022-10-25 18:34:45	GuiToris	Ennea, please
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2022-10-25 18:35:08	xx	nevermind, it probably is in the readme
2022-10-25 18:35:28	Ennea	GuiToris, thanks!
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2022-10-25 18:36:10	GuiToris	I really don't have time to make me upset
2022-10-25 18:36:46	Ennea	just trying to push the wiki as the godlike resource it is
2022-10-25 18:37:24	GuiToris	I guess you've been using arch for a week so you are so enthusiastic
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2022-10-25 18:38:48	Scimmia	this is one where the option is kind of poorly named
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2022-10-25 18:40:29	ℹ 	Razza_ es conocido ahora como Razza
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2022-10-25 18:40:41	ℹ 	Xian_ es conocido ahora como Xian
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2022-10-25 18:41:04	ℹ 	dav1d0 es conocido ahora como dav1d
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2022-10-25 18:51:02	tusko	I am having a hard time. My arch resumes from hibernate, but the screen just never turns on. The computer is on and I briefly see a flashing cursor. Then blackness.
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2022-10-25 18:53:17	ℹ 	Lartza_ es conocido ahora como Lartza
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2022-10-25 18:53:29	artefact	send an acpi shutdown, then check journal?
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2022-10-25 18:55:22	ℹ 	bin es conocido ahora como bin_slasher
2022-10-25 18:58:03	ℹ 	justache es conocido ahora como justHaunted
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2022-10-25 19:30:24	scrumplex	Does anyone know a tool that can log the tty using a serial device?
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2022-10-25 19:31:06	scrumplex	I am currently trying to diagnose (probably) kernel panics on my home server. I set up a good ol' RS232 connection between it and a raspberry pi I had lying around
2022-10-25 19:31:25	scrumplex	I would like to log everything it might send to my Pi so I can look at it after the fact
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2022-10-25 19:34:01	anotherNightmare	scrumplex: Have you seen https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Working_with_the_serial_console  ?
2022-10-25 19:34:02	phrik	Title: Working with the serial console - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-10-25 19:34:48	scrumplex	anotherNightmare: from what I can tell, all these tools are interactive
2022-10-25 19:35:18	MacGyver	xx: No clue, possibly for systems that have trouble USB-booting it as the fallback ESP loader.
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2022-10-26 18:34:35	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-10-26 18:34:35	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1436 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1436 normals)
2022-10-26 03:03:18	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - perl-wx (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-10-26 05:34:34	spine-o-saurus	what is this linux nconfig option, all it says is its Pseudo-graphical
2022-10-26 06:40:26	uuidNuniq	nconfig is another UI
2022-10-26 08:42:10	luigibu	hi! i need to restart 3 to 5 times my computer.. in order to make arch start normally. the sintoms of a bad boot are, no sound and not able to restart normally (need to force a shutdown keeping the on/off button press for some seconds) how can check for logs? thanks
2022-10-26 08:49:35	astralc	`journalctl`, and maybe `dmesg`
2022-10-26 08:53:43	luigibu	i get some errors in the journal.. but dont semas related.. im confuse
2022-10-26 08:55:03	BoBeR182	Startup finished in 23.578s (firmware) + 5min 42.055s (loader) + 23.015s (kernel) + 3min 1.324s (userspace) = 9min 29.974s 
2022-10-26 08:55:21	BoBeR182	Anyone have ideas how to troubleshoot the loader taking 5 mins
2022-10-26 08:55:42	BoBeR182	it just waits on loading initramfs on my screen during that time
2022-10-26 08:57:23	astralc	BoBeR182: systemd-analyze critical-chain, or systemd-analyze plot?
2022-10-26 08:57:41	BoBeR182	both only cover userland portion
2022-10-26 08:57:45	astralc	luigibu: what errors? like on services?
2022-10-26 08:58:08	astralc	are you waiting for some devices maybe? encrypt/lvm?
2022-10-26 08:58:24	luigibu	can i show you¿
2022-10-26 08:58:30	astralc	!paste
2022-10-26 08:58:30	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-10-26 08:59:12	jelle	BoBeR182: you should be able to see that quite literally :)
2022-10-26 08:59:46	luigibu	https://dpaste.org/M4Jex astralc 
2022-10-26 08:59:49	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o3Bu.8dydm89U
2022-10-26 08:59:50	phrik	Title: dpaste/M4Jex (Bash) (at dpaste.org)
2022-10-26 09:00:56	BoBeR182	jelle: It just shows loader
2022-10-26 09:01:01	BoBeR182	and a grey bar for 5 minutes
2022-10-26 09:01:05	BoBeR182	doesn't explain why it's 5mins
2022-10-26 09:01:13	jelle	BoBeR182: grub?
2022-10-26 09:01:16	BoBeR182	astralc: I do have encrypted hard drives
2022-10-26 09:01:35	BoBeR182	I am using grub yes
2022-10-26 09:01:48	astralc	so check if you configured correctly, maybe the is some timeout
2022-10-26 09:01:56	astralc	*there is
2022-10-26 09:02:31	BoBeR182	5 second time out
2022-10-26 09:02:44	BoBeR182	It shows loading linux linux ...
2022-10-26 09:02:53	BoBeR182	then loading initramfs ...
2022-10-26 09:02:58	BoBeR182	and then waits there for 5 mins
2022-10-26 09:03:04	astralc	also remove quiet from grub
2022-10-26 09:03:09	BoBeR182	then continues rest of book with decryption passwords
2022-10-26 09:03:11	astralc	from kernel command line
2022-10-26 09:03:17	spine-o-saurus	Hey I got to step 3 on https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel/Arch_Build_System but I get error:could not resolve all dependancies??
2022-10-26 09:03:18	phrik	Title: Kernel/Arch Build System - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-26 09:03:32	jelle	BoBeR182: it also counts the time it waits before you enter your password
2022-10-26 09:03:43	astralc	maybe you added keydevice with 5 minute timeout?
2022-10-26 09:04:23	BoBeR182	keydevice for initramfs
2022-10-26 09:04:25	BoBeR182	hmm maybe
2022-10-26 09:08:17	BoBeR182	could it be related to nvidia drm?
2022-10-26 09:09:46	astralc	like everything with nvidia: maybe
2022-10-26 09:11:41	astralc	Do you have it in MODULES=?
2022-10-26 09:13:10	BoBeR182	yes
2022-10-26 09:13:24	BoBeR182	MODULES="nvidia nvidia_modeset nvidia_uvm nvidia_drm"
2022-10-26 09:13:29	BoBeR182	and in grub
2022-10-26 09:13:51	BoBeR182	GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="cryptdevice=UUID=bf45e0e2-d859-4c69-8afa-f8a82219f6bf:MyStorage root=/dev/mapper/MyStorage-rootvol nvidia-drm.modeset=1"
2022-10-26 09:14:11	astralc	you can remove it from modules if you don't need early loading
2022-10-26 09:14:59	astralc	what is your HOOKS?
2022-10-26 09:17:57	BoBeR182	HOOKS="base udev autodetect keymap encrypt lvm2 modconf block filesystems keyboard fsck"
2022-10-26 09:23:38	astralc	All the examples in the wiki show keyboard before encrypt, not sure if related (as it just adding modules according to wiki)
2022-10-26 09:29:25	sensille	hey, i just found out that my vi is a true vi. what a nice surprise :-)
2022-10-26 09:40:17	cyphertite	no keymap or fsck (I run btrfs) here, but HOOKS=(base udev autodetect modconf block encrypt lvm2 resume filesystems keyboard) works well on my end
2022-10-26 11:15:08	gnana	ls
2022-10-26 11:22:49	spine-o-saurus	how come when i made kernel pkgbuild & boot, it only reaches login prompt with nomodeset option?
2022-10-26 11:28:31	sshine	hello. I just gave up on ubuntu and am looking for some better defaults. what login manager and terminal emulator do people use?
2022-10-26 11:28:58	sshine	I remember the last time around, I used 'slim' which was seemingly going out of date, and 'termite'.
2022-10-26 11:29:36	Foxboron	sshine: people using termite jumped to either alacritty or kitty
2022-10-26 11:29:47	Foxboron	There are a few other options if the choice is wayland though
2022-10-26 11:30:18	Ennea	take a look at wezterm. i like that one a lot :)
2022-10-26 11:31:34	shijo_rei	sshine: if you want to use wayland, install kde + sddm.
2022-10-26 11:36:09	artefact	i just use xinit/xterm
2022-10-26 11:46:12	Ennea	i'm looking for something like tee, but instead of writing to a file, i want to essentially do a grep on every line and run a command if i have a match. but retain tee's functionality of "passthrough", printing all the lines anyway. does that exist already, or will i end up writing my own?
2022-10-26 11:47:59	artefact	tee >(grep foo && bar) ?
2022-10-26 11:48:12	sshine	perl -ple '/.../ && system("...")' is an alternative
2022-10-26 11:52:38	sshine	how does i3 know what terminal I prefer to open with $mod+Enter?
2022-10-26 11:53:10	artefact	its config file
2022-10-26 11:53:57	Ennea	artefact, that will work? i'll try, thanks
2022-10-26 11:54:03	Ennea	sshine, thank you, too :)
2022-10-26 11:54:05	sshine	it actually seems that it runs a program called i3-sensible-terminal
2022-10-26 11:54:43	sshine	which will pick any terminal on a fixed list that I've installed, i.e. since I installed xfce4-terminal, it prefers that over xterm :)
2022-10-26 11:57:06	sshine	Ennea, >(...) pipes tee into a sub-shell (besides printing to stdout)
2022-10-26 11:57:34	Ennea	sub-shell, i see. i'll look that up later to understand it more. appears to work, though, thanks :)
2022-10-26 12:00:24	Ennea	ah, but it doesn't work on commands that are still running and writing to stdout. only on "finished" commands
2022-10-26 12:18:11	gromit	sshine: you can just change by rebinding $mod+Return
2022-10-26 12:18:34	gromit	https://github.com/christian-heusel/dotfiles/blob/9c36b40a8ba822a50c7757d0cffcb7c9b82179c6/roles/i3-configuration/templates/i3_config.j2#L385-L387
2022-10-26 12:20:11	gromit	I either use "terminator" or "st -f 'Go Mono:style=Regular:pixelsize=15'" for i3_default_terminal
2022-10-26 13:28:20	dagle	sshine: There is no way in linux atm to set the default terminal in a portable way.
2022-10-26 13:30:35	astralc	i3 support $TERMINAL environment for i3-sensible-terminal
2022-10-26 14:31:02	spine-o-saurus	hey how do i get the modesetting to work for kernel pkgbuild? i tried adding amdgpu to modules but the kernel still only boots to login prompt with nomodesetting enabled
2022-10-26 14:32:21	Namarrgon	what is in /proc/cmdline?
2022-10-26 14:33:29	spine-o-saurus	just a boot image parameter it looks like for the old kernel
2022-10-26 14:33:57	Namarrgon	"old kernel"?
2022-10-26 14:34:03	Namarrgon	post the exact output
2022-10-26 14:34:14	Namarrgon	and post the bootloader config you use to boot the "nomodeset" kernel
2022-10-26 14:36:03	spine-o-saurus	https://dpaste.org/4VbNu
2022-10-26 14:36:05	phrik	Title: dpaste/4VbNu (C) (at dpaste.org)
2022-10-26 14:36:06	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o3S0.uOcLRYw3
2022-10-26 14:36:47	spine-o-saurus	the custom kernel is the one i made with pkgbuild but it only boots to login prompt with nomodesetting
2022-10-26 14:38:21	Namarrgon	so you intentionally added 'nomodeset' to be able to see the login prompt? did i understand that right?
2022-10-26 14:38:41	Namarrgon	unrelated by why do you have 'ro' in there?
2022-10-26 14:39:04	spine-o-saurus	ya that tells me the kernel is loading but an issuewith the gfx driver
2022-10-26 14:39:26	gromit	!paste
2022-10-26 14:39:27	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-10-26 14:39:44	gromit	!ix
2022-10-26 14:39:44	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-10-26 14:39:46	spine-o-saurus	the initramfs is read only 
2022-10-26 14:39:58	spine-o-saurus	there is nothing that needs to be written
2022-10-26 14:40:04	Namarrgon	the 'ro' in that config is for the /-fs, not for the initramfs
2022-10-26 14:40:58	Namarrgon	it would seem like your custom kernel is broken. which source did you build it from?
2022-10-26 14:41:47	spine-o-saurus	got it off of https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel/Arch_Build_System
2022-10-26 14:41:48	phrik	Title: Kernel/Arch Build System - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-26 14:42:06	Namarrgon	did you change the config?
2022-10-26 14:42:21	spine-o-saurus	ya it is custom 
2022-10-26 14:42:30	Namarrgon	post the rest of the grub.cfg
2022-10-26 14:42:59	spine-o-saurus	for the menuentry?
2022-10-26 14:43:08	Namarrgon	no, the entire thing
2022-10-26 14:44:17	spine-o-saurus	i dont think that is the issue it is loading the OS fine, but stops when the modeset is taken off
2022-10-26 14:44:35	Namarrgon	that's not "fine" by my definition
2022-10-26 14:45:06	Namarrgon	is this not arch linux or why do you not want to post it?
2022-10-26 14:45:08	SponiX	spine-o-saurus: if you are truly seeking help please comply for the best assistance ;)
2022-10-26 14:47:32	spine-o-saurus	whatever you are trying to persue is not related to any issue I was describing
2022-10-26 14:48:13	astralc	it is, it is part of boot process
2022-10-26 14:48:30	SponiX	!next
2022-10-26 14:48:30	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-10-26 14:49:07	Bayes	zathura keeps crashing but I don't know where to start, should an app like zathura keep logs in /var/log, in journalctl, or in a local folder?
2022-10-26 14:49:20	jelle	Bayes: check journalctl if it segfaults
2022-10-26 14:49:25	Namarrgon	it probably only prints to stdout/-err
2022-10-26 14:49:46	gromit	Bayes: usually no, did you already try to launch it from the commandline and see if you get an error there? 
2022-10-26 14:50:22	Namarrgon	zathura depends on 'file' twice
2022-10-26 14:50:38	Bayes	jelle journalctl doesn't have any entry in the last 20 minutes so no segfaulting it seems
2022-10-26 14:51:12	Bayes	the thing about this is that latexmk is actually calling zathura to preview the pdf I'm compiling, so I don't get to see the stdout/stderr of the zathura process
2022-10-26 14:52:31	Bayes	ok I'll try and monitor the zathura output, or maybe check man zathura if there's a setting to dump a log somewhere
2022-10-26 14:53:03	Bayes	I found also that zathura won't open links (urls and such) so it's probably a good opportunity to take a look at that
2022-10-26 14:53:31	MacGyver	Works for me.
2022-10-26 14:53:50	MacGyver	Don't have latexmk open it for you.
2022-10-26 14:53:54	MacGyver	Just call zathura on the pdf file.
2022-10-26 14:54:00	MacGyver	It'll reload upon recompilation.
2022-10-26 14:54:03	Bayes	so I press f, number and links don't open
2022-10-26 14:54:36	MacGyver	Yes, works for me. Try F, it'll print the actual link in the status bar.
2022-10-26 14:54:50	MacGyver	Might be that the links are just broken, or there's no MIME setting to open them.
2022-10-26 14:55:01	Bayes	probably the latter
2022-10-26 15:04:31	Bayes	ha, it's a Segmentation fault !
2022-10-26 15:04:46	Bayes	why? idk, but at least I could reproduce the issue :D
2022-10-26 15:05:34	MacGyver	Could've told you *that*, it's hardly ever anything else.
2022-10-26 15:05:41	MacGyver	You can pass it a loglevel.
2022-10-26 15:06:42	Bayes	you know, this is probably one of the very few times you're gonna hear me say that I miss some Windows thing (probably available on Mac too)
2022-10-26 15:07:09	Bayes	but I like that Windows gets all those fancy pdf editors with tons of features and annotations and all that
2022-10-26 15:07:32	Bayes	it's one of those very few niches where open source software isn't as feature-rich as commercial software
2022-10-26 15:08:25	artefact	just learn postscript >.<
2022-10-26 15:08:26	Bayes	anyway it seems I'm not alone with zathura segfaulting and latex https://git.pwmt.org/pwmt/zathura/-/issues/255
2022-10-26 15:08:30	MacGyver	Yes, although you can do a lot with xournalpp.
2022-10-26 15:08:34	MacGyver	But I agree.
2022-10-26 15:08:47	Bayes	no yeah it's not the same
2022-10-26 15:09:35	MacGyver	Be aware that zathura doesn't display PDF annotations, last I checked.
2022-10-26 15:09:40	Bayes	believe me, I avoid commercial software like the pest but there's this thing https://www.pdfannotator.com it's interface is ugly but it's very feature rich
2022-10-26 15:09:41	phrik	Title: PDF Annotator - Annotate, Edit, Comment & Handwrite on PDF (at www.pdfannotator.com)
2022-10-26 15:09:52	alad	Bayes: master pdf editor, have you tried that one
2022-10-26 15:10:09	artefact	or inkscape?
2022-10-26 15:10:17	alad	the interface is right up there with gimp and the like, but it has a lot of stuff
2022-10-26 15:11:02	Bayes	when I say annotation I also mean writing over a pdf with a stylus btw
2022-10-26 15:11:06	Bayes	like using a surface or something
2022-10-26 15:11:20	artefact	xournal, then
2022-10-26 15:11:28	Bayes	writing on an ipad was really a unique experience
2022-10-26 15:11:41	alad	even acrobat barely supports that, when you say commercial alternatives
2022-10-26 15:11:47	Bayes	yeah that's what I use
2022-10-26 15:12:01	Bayes	no, pdf annotator the one I mentioned above is very good to write on a pdf
2022-10-26 15:12:03	alad	I never tried this pdfannotator you linked though
2022-10-26 15:12:07	Bayes	to hand write* I mean
2022-10-26 15:12:14	Bayes	it's the one I use for teaching
2022-10-26 15:12:32	Bayes	it's very feature rich, the UI sucks
2022-10-26 15:12:39	alad	did you try it with wine
2022-10-26 15:12:44	MacGyver	Honestly PDF annotator looks like a verbatim copy of xournalpp.
2022-10-26 15:13:04	MacGyver	Based on the few screenshots on their front page.
2022-10-26 15:13:06	alad	that's a dubious statement
2022-10-26 15:13:35	Bayes	there's xournalpp and also rcalc, but IMO they are far from PDF annotator or the alike
2022-10-26 15:13:59	Bayes	and I insist I typically avoid commercial software like the pest
2022-10-26 15:14:33	alad	to me commercial software is just another tool
2022-10-26 15:14:40	Bayes	oh btw, edge has some nice hand writing features
2022-10-26 15:14:43	MacGyver	alad: That's what it *looks* like, I'm not saying that's what it *is*.
2022-10-26 15:14:53	alad	except edge, that one is taking it too far :D
2022-10-26 15:15:04	MacGyver	Based on just the frontpage I'm not convinced to try it since I'm already using xournalpp, basically.
2022-10-26 15:15:11	alad	https://www.pdfannotator.com/en/how
2022-10-26 15:15:12	phrik	Title: How it works - PDF Annotator (at www.pdfannotator.com)
2022-10-26 15:15:21	alad	this got some more screenshots
2022-10-26 15:15:23	Bayes	edge is not a replacement for a pdf annotator app but it's quite nice to write stuff on a pdf
2022-10-26 15:16:30	Bayes	if I ever were to become a millionaire (??) I'd totally fund a small team to work on an open source pdf annotation app :D
2022-10-26 15:16:45	MacGyver	It might very well be that xournalpp is a verbatim copy of this.
2022-10-26 15:16:50	alad	I was looking for some new PDF tool, after adobe killed support for acrobat 2017
2022-10-26 15:17:33	Bayes	MacGyver xournalapp and rcalc are nice, not bashing on them btw
2022-10-26 15:17:36	MacGyver	I think auto-smooth and annotation alignment are things xournalpp doesn't have.
2022-10-26 15:17:42	alad	xournalpp has the interface of xournal, not of pdf annotator
2022-10-26 15:17:45	MacGyver	Oh and those stamps.
2022-10-26 15:17:58	alad	!wtf rcalc
2022-10-26 15:17:59	phrik	alad: What the hell is rcalc?
2022-10-26 15:18:26	Bayes	LMAO sorry, it's not rcalc, it's rnote
2022-10-26 15:18:34	alad	ah
2022-10-26 15:18:41	Bayes	it's newish https://github.com/flxzt/rnote but it looks quite promising
2022-10-26 15:18:44	alad	rust and gtk4 huh
2022-10-26 15:18:46	alad	think I heard of it
2022-10-26 15:19:27	Bayes	something word noting is that some apps will take a different approach than pdf annotator, which works directly on the pdf, and will have you "import a pdf" > work on it > "export as pdf"
2022-10-26 15:19:55	alad	Bayes: oh yes, that's what bothers me the most about xournal/pp
2022-10-26 15:20:21	Bayes	it might be just me not being good enough at it, but yeah I found that bothersome
2022-10-26 15:21:07	Bayes	for example, that can be quite inconvenient when using inkscape to modify a pdf
2022-10-26 15:21:20	Bayes	cause that import might mess with some small details like fonts and stuff
2022-10-26 15:21:39	Bayes	so it doesn't feel the same as these commercial apps where you work directly on the pdf
2022-10-26 15:22:09	alad	it's a nuisance that's for sure
2022-10-26 15:22:43	demonicmaniac	Bayes: to be fair have you looked at the output of a pdf parser/fixer for some of those commercial apps writing "into" the pdf?
2022-10-26 15:23:00	demonicmaniac	streams of warnings and errors for malformed data blocks and not adhering to layers :D
2022-10-26 15:23:12	alad	it works for the end-user :OO
2022-10-26 15:23:20	Bayes	 haven't but I can buy that demonicmaniac
2022-10-26 15:23:28	demonicmaniac	so does most html due to 100000000 quirks in every browser :P
2022-10-26 15:23:44	alad	software engineering ;OO
2022-10-26 15:24:15	Bayes	I can see why xournalapp and rnote and others will not work on the pdf directly, it's evident that pdf is not a file format meant for hand writing and stuff
2022-10-26 15:24:51	gromit	"its only a warning"/"its now a critical error" xD 
2022-10-26 15:24:52	Bayes	so it's understandable that's it no the right "medium" for annotations, however pdfs are everywhere and there's the need to open a pdf, annotate on it, save and send
2022-10-26 15:25:58	MacGyver	They do claim that any viewer will display it but I wonder if that's also on the "unmelted" format.
2022-10-26 15:26:44	alad	"buy this support package now to get free upgrades for 2 years!"
2022-10-26 15:26:46	alad	cheeky buggers
2022-10-26 15:27:52	alad	Bayes: do they got some weird license stuff where it's limited to a no. of PCs
2022-10-26 15:29:42	alad	this was the other product I was looking at: https://www.softmaker.com/en/flexipdf-features
2022-10-26 15:29:44	phrik	Title: FlexiPDF: Features (at www.softmaker.com)
2022-10-26 15:30:00	alad	though that's more of an acrobat clone than a real annotation tool
2022-10-26 17:06:34	vvn	is there a difference between the 'ro' kernel command line and 'rootflags=ro' (with a systemd initrd/main system if that matters)?
2022-10-26 17:24:26	xx	why does `arch-chroot` use strictatime for the /tmp mount?
2022-10-26 17:55:01	xx	h4rd3n3d: trying to learn
2022-10-26 17:57:16	jelle	xx: read the git history
2022-10-26 18:02:08	keir	the strictatime has been there since the initial commit, so that response isn't helpful
2022-10-26 18:02:17	xx	yeah I was looking through git blame
2022-10-26 18:03:36	jelle	keir: it is helpful as I don't know if the person even tried :)
2022-10-26 18:04:05	keir	it suggests you know that the answer is there
2022-10-26 18:04:39	xx	don't worry about it, I don't mind
2022-10-26 18:05:08	jelle	keir: now you are just picking a fight :)
2022-10-26 18:05:13	xx	I'm actually a well-adjusted adult who doesn't get angry at pixels on the computer screen, or so I'd like to think
2022-10-26 18:06:20	keir	jelle: i'm not picking a fight by stating something. so don't make it one.
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2022-10-26 18:26:23	thelinuxuser	Hi
2022-10-26 18:26:45	thelinuxuser	I just installed arch linux with the NVIDIA proprietary driver, but cannot find wayland as an option in the GDM login screen
2022-10-26 18:26:58	astralc	which DE?
2022-10-26 18:27:02	thelinuxuser	GNOME
2022-10-26 18:27:13	Edu4rdSHL	Read the wiki
2022-10-26 18:27:23	Edu4rdSHL	Or better, no use wayland :D
2022-10-26 18:27:49	thelinuxuser	I did, and added nvidia nvidia_modset nvidia_uvm nvidia_drm to my mkinitcpio.conf
2022-10-26 18:27:54	thelinuxuser	Regenerated my initfamfs
2022-10-26 18:27:59	Edu4rdSHL	That is not what you need
2022-10-26 18:28:01	astralc	you don't need them
2022-10-26 18:28:10	thelinuxuser	I thought I did?
2022-10-26 18:28:18	astralc	you need the modeset in the kernel command lin e
2022-10-26 18:28:31	astralc	late kms still work
2022-10-26 18:28:36	thelinuxuser	But in the arch wiki here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA under 1.3?
2022-10-26 18:28:38	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-26 18:28:51	astralc	"For basic functionality, just adding the kernel parameter should suffice"
2022-10-26 18:29:00	astralc	read again
2022-10-26 18:29:03	thelinuxuser	Sorry I missed that.
2022-10-26 18:29:08	Edu4rdSHL	> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wayland#Requirements
2022-10-26 18:29:09	phrik	Title: Wayland - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-26 18:29:20	Edu4rdSHL	> Most Wayland compositors only work on systems using Kernel mode setting.
2022-10-26 18:29:54	thelinuxuser	Thank you - sorry for asking so many questions, I actually want to understand what this is actually doing
2022-10-26 18:31:04	Edu4rdSHL	A quick search in google will throw you the answer
2022-10-26 18:32:23	astralc	fwiw, I tried plasma-wayland on nvidia recently, and the only issue I enountered were programs incompatabilities
2022-10-26 18:32:24	thelinuxuser	This i out of date right?
2022-10-26 18:32:25	thelinuxuser	https://developer.nvidia.com/docs/drive/drive-os/latest/linux/sdk/common/topics/window_system_stub/Gnome-WaylandDesktopShellSupport136.html
2022-10-26 18:32:26	phrik	Title: Gnome-Wayland Desktop Shell Support (at developer.nvidia.com)
2022-10-26 18:32:35	astralc	no graphical glitches
2022-10-26 18:32:58	thelinuxuser	Right I am going to reboot - one sec
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2022-10-26 19:05:30	dandels	Ugh, I'd really want to play Avernum (any of the remakes) through Wine. The game works fine otherwise, but the turn-based combat is unbearably slow unless I'm moving the mouse.
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2022-10-26 19:06:06	demonicmaniac	have you tried using proton standalone?
2022-10-26 19:06:43	dandels	I've tried using the one bundled with steam. I could try the standalone version
2022-10-26 19:07:08	demonicmaniac	nah the standalone just doesn't require steam but it doesn't do anything different that won't change anything then i fear
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2022-10-26 19:08:46	dandels	Finding comments online about running this game game is quite hard. A few other people have had the same issue with no solution.
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2022-10-26 19:09:05	dandels	I did find someone saying it "works perfectly" with wine staging 3.16... :D
2022-10-26 19:10:10	dandels	s/game game/game
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2022-10-26 19:12:40	demonicmaniac	hm i can only find something about the gog complete version supposedly working fine in wine
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2022-10-26 19:14:46	dandels	I own the trilogy on gog, none of the games run fine on either my laptop or desktop :(
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2022-10-26 19:20:24	demonicmaniac	hm i only saw the complete saga thingie mentioned as running ok 
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2022-10-26 19:22:00	dandels	The complete saga is a way older version of the game. I'd rather not play it, it's archaic.
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2022-10-26 19:23:52	thelinuxuser	Hi
2022-10-26 19:23:58	thelinuxuser	I really still do not understand this wayland stuff
2022-10-26 19:24:08	thelinuxuser	I cannot get it to work
2022-10-26 19:24:12	dandels	does anyone?
2022-10-26 19:24:25	thelinuxuser	:D  - Just nightmare with gdm
2022-10-26 19:24:41	astralc	Did you try to start just "Gnome"?
2022-10-26 19:24:51	thelinuxuser	Yeah - it works with gnome-session --session gnome-wayland
2022-10-26 19:25:05	astralc	so it works?
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2022-10-26 19:25:14	astralc	works***?
2022-10-26 19:25:15	thelinuxuser	With gnome, yes, with gdm no
2022-10-26 19:26:33	astralc	doesn't work at all, or starts on xorg?
2022-10-26 19:26:42	thelinuxuser	Gdm has no wayland option
2022-10-26 19:26:45	astralc	journalctl sat something?
2022-10-26 19:27:02	thelinuxuser	N
2022-10-26 19:27:04	thelinuxuser	no*
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2022-10-26 19:27:57	ℹ 	tam1m_ es conocido ahora como tam1m
2022-10-26 19:28:36	keir	check if there is an xsessions file for it
2022-10-26 19:28:46	keir	well... the wayland version of xsessions
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2022-10-26 19:29:03	thelinuxuser	I have just tried something and well reboot - one sec
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2022-10-26 19:31:42	thelinuxuser	Right I am back
2022-10-26 19:31:51	thelinuxuser	wierdly enough, my udev/rules.d directory is empty
2022-10-26 19:32:06	Psi-Jack	That's not weird.
2022-10-26 19:32:17	Psi-Jack	If you're talking about /etc/udev/rules.d that is.
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2022-10-26 19:32:42	thelinuxuser	Oh okay - I though it would be as I though gnome blacklists wayland
2022-10-26 19:32:51	keir	!give thelinuxuser aw GNOME#Wayland_sessions
2022-10-26 19:32:52	phrik	thelinuxuser: GNOME - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNOME
2022-10-26 19:33:05	Psi-Jack	Packages shouldn't be using /etc/udev/rules.d as there's a system-wide path appropriate for that.
2022-10-26 19:33:07	keir	thelinuxuser: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNOME#Wayland_sessions
2022-10-26 19:33:08	phrik	Title: GNOME - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-26 19:33:20	Psi-Jack	And gnome blacklists wayland? Since whern?
2022-10-26 19:33:24	thelinuxuser	psi-jack got it
2022-10-26 19:33:40	thelinuxuser	I just checked, it used to for wayland with the proprietary driver
2022-10-26 19:33:44	Psi-Jack	Gnome literally is the only DE That supports Wayland more than any other.
2022-10-26 19:33:52	Psi-Jack	Oh, nvidia.
2022-10-26 19:33:56	thelinuxuser	yep
2022-10-26 19:34:05	⚡ 	Psi-Jack pets his AMD GPU.
2022-10-26 19:34:14	thelinuxuser	Psi-Jack :(
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2022-10-26 19:34:30	Psi-Jack	I finally dropped my Nvidia GTX 950 for an AMD RX 6700 XT, and I'm quite happy for it.
2022-10-26 19:34:42	thelinuxuser	I have amd in all my systems execpt my laptop for cuda
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2022-10-26 19:35:17	Psi-Jack	I'm waiting for Frame.Work to come out with AMD-based systems before I get a new laptop.
2022-10-26 19:35:31	thelinuxuser	Frame.Work - yeah, this is just my work one
2022-10-26 19:35:39	thelinuxuser	so no real choice :(
2022-10-26 19:35:50	Psi-Jack	Otherwise, I'd stick purely to Intel video on laptops or AMD Vega if I don't end up with Frame.Work like I want.
2022-10-26 19:36:06	thelinuxuser	Yeah - desktops do the job well
2022-10-26 19:36:14	Psi-Jack	Heh, I tell my employer what I want, and get what I want. 
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2022-10-26 19:36:37	thelinuxuser	Psi-Jack I can too, just I need cuda for my work :(
2022-10-26 19:37:12	◣	Hello71 (~Hello71@wireguard/contributor/hello71) ha salido (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
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2022-10-26 19:37:57	Psi-Jack	Why would you need cuda for work? This I am curious about.
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2022-10-26 19:38:20	astralc	ML goes brrrrrr
2022-10-26 19:38:23	alad	you know what CUDA is used for, right
2022-10-26 19:38:25	keir	i want a framework witha  bigger display
2022-10-26 19:38:33	thelinuxuser	kier me too
2022-10-26 19:38:47	Edu4rdSHL	Gnome does NOT blacklist nvidia anymore.
2022-10-26 19:38:53	thelinuxuser	Yeah, for cuda, I use it for ai a lot
2022-10-26 19:38:55	Edu4rdSHL	People just need to set kms
2022-10-26 19:39:16	demonicmaniac	thelinuxuser: you know there's cuda drop in translators right?
2022-10-26 19:39:44	Psi-Jack	thelinuxuser: So you'll be the reason the world is taken over by Terminators?
2022-10-26 19:39:53	◣	multi8 (~dark@192.71.96.1) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2022-10-26 19:39:55	thelinuxuser	thelinuxuser Yep:)
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2022-10-26 19:40:01	thelinuxuser	At least they will use linux?
2022-10-26 19:40:02	alad	🤦‍♀️
2022-10-26 19:40:05	thelinuxuser	Or be programmed on them
2022-10-26 19:40:05	Psi-Jack	heh
2022-10-26 19:40:39	thelinuxuser	I have nvidia-drm.modeset=1 in my arch.conf file
2022-10-26 19:40:45	thelinuxuser	So anything else I need to do?
2022-10-26 19:40:53	◥	kuri22 (~quassel@101.87.157.35) has joined #archlinux
2022-10-26 19:40:56	thelinuxuser	Nvidia documentation is out of date
2022-10-26 19:40:58	◣	kuri22_ (~quassel@101.87.157.35) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-10-26 19:41:01	thelinuxuser	Its for gnome 4
2022-10-26 19:41:04	thelinuxuser	gnome3*
2022-10-26 19:41:14	Psi-Jack	There is no GNOME 4. 🙂
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2022-10-26 19:41:31	thelinuxuser	Psi-Jack :)  - Sorry just typed the wrong number
2022-10-26 19:41:37	demonicmaniac	thelinuxuser: https://github.com/ROCm-Developer-Tools/HIPIFY
2022-10-26 19:42:06	Psi-Jack	Well, Gnome 42 is current...
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2022-10-26 19:42:23	Psi-Jack	gnome 3 would mean you're using partial updates. 
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2022-10-26 19:43:12	thelinuxuser	Yeah I know, its just the nvidias docs for wayland only show for gnome 3
2022-10-26 19:43:26	thelinuxuser	https://developer.nvidia.com/docs/drive/drive-os/latest/linux/sdk/common/topics/window_system_stub/Gnome-WaylandDesktopShellSupport136.html
2022-10-26 19:43:27	phrik	Title: Gnome-Wayland Desktop Shell Support (at developer.nvidia.com)
2022-10-26 19:43:27	Psi-Jack	... what?
2022-10-26 19:43:37	thelinuxuser	Yep, look at the link above :)
2022-10-26 19:44:04	thelinuxuser	Edu4rdSHL anything else to add to my kms?
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2022-10-26 19:44:31	Edu4rdSHL	kms is just enable kernel mode setting, that's a kernel param
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2022-10-26 19:45:23	thelinuxuser	So what should I do?
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2022-10-26 19:45:57	alad	look at the stars outside
2022-10-26 19:46:37	thelinuxuser	alad - and go blind because its sunny!
2022-10-26 19:46:45	alad	:O
2022-10-26 19:46:57	thelinuxuser	i have added nvidia nvidia_modeset nvidia_uvm and nvidia_drm to my modules in mkinitcpio.conf
2022-10-26 19:47:15	thelinuxuser	I originally looked https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Installation
2022-10-26 19:47:17	phrik	Title: Kernel mode setting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-26 19:47:18	alad	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#DRM_kernel_mode_setting seems to be all there is to it
2022-10-26 19:47:20	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-10-26 19:48:02	thelinuxuser	my modules line looks like this:
2022-10-26 19:48:02	thelinuxuser	MODULES=(btrfs nvidia nvidia_modeset nvidia_uvm nvidia_drm)
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2022-10-26 19:48:15	thelinuxuser	Edu4rdSHL Have I set something wrong?
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2022-10-26 19:48:55	astralc	did you add "nvidia_drm.modeset=1" to the kernel command line?
2022-10-26 19:49:53	thelinuxuser	yep - my options line looks like this:
2022-10-26 19:49:54	thelinuxuser	options rd.luks.name=a05216b9-c5b4-4431-8214-f790ab142de4=luks root=/dev/mapper/luks rootflags=subvol=@ rd.luks.options=a05216b9-c5b4-4431-8214-f790ab142de4=discard nvidia-drm.modeset=1 rw
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2022-10-26 19:50:35	Psi-Jack	Ahh, btrfs?
2022-10-26 19:50:50	thelinuxuser	Oh god here we go
2022-10-26 19:51:01	Psi-Jack	Pardon?
2022-10-26 19:51:04	Namarrgon	have you rebuilt the initramfs images after adding the modules to mkinitcpio.conf?
2022-10-26 19:51:04	thelinuxuser	To really make it worse, I use ZFS on my gentoo install!
2022-10-26 19:51:11	thelinuxuser	namarrgon I have
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2022-10-26 19:51:17	thelinuxuser	psi-jack It is a very hot topic
2022-10-26 19:51:36	Namarrgon	do you see in the journal that the modules are getting loaded early?
2022-10-26 19:51:49	Psi-Jack	btrfs is a good thing. zfs, not so much. But an interesting choice to use @ as the root volume name. 🙂
2022-10-26 19:52:08	Namarrgon	is that related to the nvidia issue?
2022-10-26 19:52:12	thelinuxuser	not really
2022-10-26 19:52:29	thelinuxuser	I forgot to install nvidia dkms (facepalm)
2022-10-26 19:52:43	Namarrgon	which kernel are you using?
2022-10-26 19:52:46	astralc	so you didn't even had the modules???
2022-10-26 19:52:51	thelinuxuser	wait wait
2022-10-26 19:52:55	thelinuxuser	Linux normal
2022-10-26 19:52:58	thelinuxuser	I don't need dkms
2022-10-26 19:53:03	thelinuxuser	what the hell am I on about
2022-10-26 19:53:07	thelinuxuser	Just the nvidia package
2022-10-26 19:53:09	thelinuxuser	I have that
2022-10-26 19:53:18	thelinuxuser	Don't mind me being super stupid
2022-10-26 19:53:22	astralc	🤦
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2022-10-26 19:53:54	thelinuxuser	Going to look here next:
2022-10-26 19:53:55	thelinuxuser	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA/Tips_and_tricks#Preserve_video_memory_after_suspend
2022-10-26 19:53:56	phrik	Title: NVIDIA/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-10-26 19:55:00	thelinuxuser	journalctl -b 0 --grep "renderer for" gives nothing
2022-10-26 19:55:20	thelinuxuser	I have this in my /etc/enviroment:
2022-10-26 19:55:20	thelinuxuser	export GBM_BACKEND=nvidia-drm
2022-10-26 19:55:21	thelinuxuser	export __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia
2022-10-26 19:55:28	Namarrgon	grep is only ever useful when you know what to grep for, read the log instead
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2022-10-26 19:55:44	thelinuxuser	That is directly from the wiki?
2022-10-26 19:55:51	thelinuxuser	see here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wayland#Requirements
2022-10-26 19:55:53	phrik	Title: Wayland - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-26 19:56:08	Namarrgon	do you see in the journal that the modules are getting loaded early?
2022-10-26 19:56:42	thelinuxuser	just checking
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2022-10-26 19:57:26	thelinuxuser	Don't think so
2022-10-26 19:57:36	Namarrgon	do they get loaded at all?
2022-10-26 19:57:37	thelinuxuser	I am just going to check one thing and reboot - give me a min
2022-10-26 19:57:39	thelinuxuser	yeah they do
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2022-10-26 19:59:00	jb1277976	reinstalling arch was doing something on the laptop distro hopping lol, why does reflector spit out errors for the united states? should i use a diffrent country?
2022-10-26 19:59:16	◥	lucasta (~lucasta@177.181.2.63) has joined #archlinux
2022-10-26 19:59:35	Namarrgon	which command are you running?
2022-10-26 19:59:39	◥	thelinuxuser (~thelinuxu@2.126.47.10) has joined #archlinux
2022-10-26 19:59:40	Namarrgon	and what is the output?
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2022-10-26 19:59:42	thelinuxuser	I am back
2022-10-26 19:59:46	Psi-Jack	And what country are you in?
2022-10-26 19:59:49	thelinuxuser	So for those interesed
2022-10-26 19:59:52	thelinuxuser	UK
2022-10-26 19:59:52	astralc	*tinfoil* US isn't real, and reflector knows it
2022-10-26 19:59:58	jb1277976	Psi-Jack: im in the US
2022-10-26 19:59:59	Psi-Jack	Not you, thelinuxuser . 😛
2022-10-26 20:00:03	◣	shuck (~Shuck@user/shuck) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-10-26 20:00:15	astralc	🤦🤦
2022-10-26 20:00:19	Psi-Jack	jb1277976: Then US would be the best choice regionally. heh
2022-10-26 20:00:36	jb1277976	reflector -c "United States" -a --sort rate --save /etc/pacmand.d/mirrorlist
2022-10-26 20:00:56	thelinuxuser	My journalctl is https://dpaste.com/2ZFA59XQQ
2022-10-26 20:01:20	jb1277976	i keep getting failed to rate erros
2022-10-26 20:01:21	Namarrgon	jb1277976: what does -a do?
2022-10-26 20:01:38	jb1277976	dunno
2022-10-26 20:01:41	jb1277976	do i need it?
2022-10-26 20:01:54	Namarrgon	you shouldn't be running commands you don't understand
2022-10-26 20:02:24	keir	-a reguires an argument too
2022-10-26 20:02:39	Namarrgon	spoilers!
2022-10-26 20:02:46	◣	columbarius (~columbari@i577BC6CB.versanet.de) ha salido (Quit: columbarius)
2022-10-26 20:02:46	jb1277976	i think -a is syncronicsed in the last 6 hours or hours or what not
2022-10-26 20:02:46	keir	jb1277976: what exactly is the error you're getting?
2022-10-26 20:02:47	thelinuxuser	jb1277976 I am for sure not as smart as namarrgon, but I would like to 2nd that - You don't want to copy a command that will destroy your system :)
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2022-10-26 20:03:09	jb1277976	im installing arch onto the system
2022-10-26 20:03:10	◣	kuri22 (~quassel@101.87.157.35) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-10-26 20:03:11	jb1277976	clean install
2022-10-26 20:03:19	◣	roxyist (~tilnel@202.119.40.125) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2022-10-26 20:03:36	thelinuxuser	Namarrgon - How does my journal ctl look, I just rebooted
2022-10-26 20:03:51	jb1277976	Namarrgon: Ok let me look at the wiki
2022-10-26 20:03:58	Namarrgon	thelinuxuser: as you can see the userland portion of the nvidia blob exploded
2022-10-26 20:04:04	astralc	jb1277976: reflector --help
2022-10-26 20:04:05	keir	jb1277976: or, you know, the man page?
2022-10-26 20:04:18	astralc	keir: man page says use --help
2022-10-26 20:04:19	thelinuxuser	Namarrgon Hmm, what could have caused that?
2022-10-26 20:04:36	Namarrgon	overdose of nvidia. which one of the drivers is this?
2022-10-26 20:04:44	Namarrgon	ah 520.56
2022-10-26 20:04:44	keir	astralc: i know, i even did --help myself a minute ago so i don't know why i said that
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2022-10-26 20:04:50	thelinuxuser	yep
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2022-10-26 20:05:14	keir	jb1277976: what exactly is the error?
2022-10-26 20:05:23	Namarrgon	thelinuxuser: did you disable wayland in custom.cfg or whatever the gdm config was?
2022-10-26 20:05:41	Namarrgon	gdm is trying to use its x-session instead
2022-10-26 20:05:50	thelinuxuser	Namarrgon, no but I have WaylandEnable=true in it
2022-10-26 20:05:56	thelinuxuser	Should I disable it?
2022-10-26 20:06:02	jb1277976	keir: Failed to rate then the url of the url
2022-10-26 20:06:06	jb1277976	oops then the url*
2022-10-26 20:06:15	Namarrgon	thelinuxuser: the default is commented out, no? post the full xorg log
2022-10-26 20:06:23	keir	jb1277976: probably due a lack of argument to -a
2022-10-26 20:06:27	thelinuxuser	Yeah, the default is
2022-10-26 20:06:33	thelinuxuser	I will disable it and restart gdm, one se
2022-10-26 20:06:36	thelinuxuser	sec*
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2022-10-26 20:06:51	keir	thelinuxuser: what's in /usr/share/wayland-sessions?
2022-10-26 20:06:57	jb1277976	Thanks guys. let me go cook some breakfest
2022-10-26 20:07:13	thelinuxuser	gnome-classic.desktop  gnome-classic-wayland.desktop  gnome.desktop  gnome-wayland.desktop, that was the first thing I checked
2022-10-26 20:07:23	keir	oh good good then
2022-10-26 20:07:30	thelinuxuser	One sec, just restarting gdm
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2022-10-26 20:08:53	thelinuxuser	I am back, still no wayland option
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2022-10-27 18:12:00	pounce	just did a pretty big upgrade and now environment.d user variables aren't showing up as set in my desktop environment 
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2022-10-27 18:12:34	pounce	e.g. `systemd --user show-environment` shows `MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1` but firefox does not see it
2022-10-27 18:12:42	pounce	using sway/greetd
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2022-10-27 18:14:04	astralc	isn't environment.d only for services?
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2022-10-27 18:14:50	astralc	the shell see it?
2022-10-27 18:16:10	pounce	astralc: if the login manager is started as a service, it should receive the environment
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2022-10-27 18:16:24	astralc	login manager run as user?
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2022-10-27 18:16:27	pounce	this is the only way to set env variables in wayland
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2022-10-27 18:16:35	pounce	astralc: I think so, it used to work (pre-upgrade)
2022-10-27 18:16:40	astralc	i'm sure it is not the only way
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2022-10-27 18:17:26	pounce	yeah, there is also some stuff you can do with `~/.pam_environment` but i've found it's less encouraged
2022-10-27 18:17:34	pounce	the point is that there isn't a shell profile sourced before launch
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2022-10-27 21:35:22	Psi-Jack	tijko: Frame.Work. 
2022-10-27 21:35:32	tijko	Psi-Jack this model is over 10yrs old its so awesome
2022-10-27 21:36:33	tijko	My company had me setup with a high end Dell which was stacked but I want to make sure I don't have issues
2022-10-27 21:37:36	Psi-Jack	If you're not looking for a "gaming laptop", (what an oxymoron IMHO), then Frame.Work is my #1 suggestion. I'm waiting for AMD varients.
2022-10-27 21:39:36	tijko	Psi-Jack I never thought about it but yeah lol
2022-10-27 21:39:59	tijko	Psi-Jack currently I can't use Steam on this...I have to go to a gaming cafe to play
2022-10-27 21:40:12	tijko	Psi-Jack I can't run Android Studio either...
2022-10-27 21:40:28	tijko	Still love this beast...built like a tank
2022-10-27 21:40:37	Psi-Jack	heh, yeah. I think Frame.Work has Intel UHD for GPU, but that is good enough for laptop use generally.
2022-10-27 21:40:51	Psi-Jack	But, main thing is, upgradable. Including motherboard+cpu.
2022-10-27 21:42:34	Psi-Jack	Yep. A "gaming laptop" will never perform even as close to a properly built desktop computer with  performance componments.
2022-10-27 21:44:37	Psi-Jack	I did, thanks to Arch Linux though, and my changes in DE, can actually put my current tabtop to actual use. 8GB RAM, non-upgradable, Lenovo Yoga consumer model. Was having issues with OOM trying to use it before. Tanked on buying this piece of crap, hence why I'm holding out for better options.
2022-10-27 21:45:03	Psi-Jack	IMHO, BTC and varients and just go to hell.
2022-10-27 21:45:11	Psi-Jack	can*
2022-10-27 21:46:19	alad	I get OOM with 32GB of RAM
2022-10-27 21:49:27	Trel	Did you open Chrome or something
2022-10-27 21:50:28	britney	LMAO
2022-10-27 21:50:28	Psi-Jack	Trel: Chrome/Firefox, an email client Evolution/Thunderbird.
2022-10-27 21:50:51	britney	Evolution is way less bloated than thunderbird
2022-10-27 21:50:58	Psi-Jack	Not really.
2022-10-27 21:51:32	britney	My evolution is only using 68MB ram
2022-10-27 21:53:40	Psi-Jack	The RSS alone is over 200MB.
2022-10-27 22:00:52	alad	Trel: no, I opened a matrix with 4 million entries
2022-10-27 22:02:40	alad	billion *
2022-10-27 22:02:40	alad	:D
2022-10-27 22:03:49	alad	also chrome gets a bad rep, I used on a thinkpad R42 with 2GB of RAM and it worked
2022-10-27 22:03:55	alad	it seems to adapt to the amount of available memory ;O
2022-10-27 22:07:21	Trel	It doesn't
2022-10-27 22:07:40	Trel	It adapts to about 256mb above the available memory
2022-10-27 22:08:38	alad	that's like your opinion, man
2022-10-27 22:10:15	britney	how much ram does thunderbird use? i don't want to install it
2022-10-27 22:10:36	britney	evolution only uses 68MB ram
2022-10-27 22:10:56	alad	do you run on an embedded system wtih 128MB DRAM or something
2022-10-27 22:11:15	britney	me? ii have 16GB ram
2022-10-27 22:11:44	britney	i like to run stable diffusion ui and it uses 10GB ram usually
2022-10-27 22:11:49	alad	:O
2022-10-27 22:12:01	britney	its an A.I art generator
2022-10-27 22:12:36	britney	use up 10GB of ram to generate pictures of Zuckerberg and Bill Gates making out
2022-10-27 22:13:14	britney	https://i.imgur.com/12xAExN.jpg
2022-10-27 22:15:45	alad	nsfl dude
2022-10-27 22:16:09	throstur	meanwhile innocent people are getting convicted kill a mockingbird style as the world turns ever more orwellian
2022-10-27 22:16:11	Trel	Hmm, wine still fails to build and looking at the pkgbuild looks like I'm doing it fine.  I'll have to keep digging.
2022-10-27 22:18:17	britney	alad, whats nsfl?
2022-10-27 22:18:25	alad	not safe for life
2022-10-27 22:18:51	throstur	you could probably get away with posting it in #archlinux-offtopic
2022-10-27 22:18:52	dandels	means it's shocking content that contains murder or such
2022-10-27 22:19:20	alad	dandels: gotta admit that AI pic is pretty close
2022-10-27 22:19:38	throstur	still absolutely in uncanney valley
2022-10-27 22:19:58	dandels	jesus christ
2022-10-27 22:19:59	britney	sorry 
2022-10-27 22:20:06	alad	britney: :D
2022-10-27 22:20:30	alad	if it wasn't obvious I wasn't being serious
2022-10-27 22:20:39	alad	but ye, #archlinux-offtopic and all that
2022-10-27 22:20:45	britney	yeah
2022-10-27 22:20:49	britney	thats why im sorry
2022-10-27 22:20:56	britney	should have been in offtopic
2022-10-27 22:21:10	Trel	If the picture is what the description says, it's not safe for anything ever
2022-10-27 22:21:43	britney	lol
2022-10-27 22:33:21	Trel	I may have found the issue with the Wine build.  Somehow mingw-w64-gcc got removed, and it was compiling with gcc.  I just reinstalled that and I'm trying again
2022-10-27 22:39:04	tijko	Trel whats your environment that you're building in?  Container possibly?
2022-10-27 23:32:04	Trel	Hmm, wasn't mingw-w64-gcc either.  Stable using the same command from PGKBUILD file I'm getting: ../dlls/msi/custom.c:1615:14: error: conflicting types for ‘s_remote_GetActionInfo’;
2022-10-27 23:33:01	Trel	I'm going to have to try again after I can do a full upgrade.  Only thing left that I can think of is something is out of date somewhere.
2022-10-28 08:22:28	Synthead	I'm looking to set my repeat rate for all keyboards in X11
2022-10-28 08:22:29	Synthead	I have this:
2022-10-28 08:22:31	Synthead	Section "InputClass"
2022-10-28 08:22:31	Synthead	  Identifier "keyboard"
2022-10-28 08:22:32	Synthead	  Option "AutoRepeat" "180 60"
2022-10-28 08:22:32	Synthead	EndSection
2022-10-28 08:22:38	Synthead	but it doesn't seem to work
2022-10-28 08:22:41	Synthead	what am I missing?
2022-10-28 08:24:32	jowme	Is anyone else having any problem with video playback after last firefox update (106.0.1)?
2022-10-28 08:24:58	jowme	Video colors are terribly off, grayscale with pink stripes over it
2022-10-28 08:27:29	jowme	:close
2022-10-28 08:50:54	novns	jowme, no, it works ok here
2022-10-28 09:02:58	espresso	Synthead: I have long used `xset r rate 200 30` in autostart
2022-10-28 09:17:33	espresso	I saw ff codec crashes in journal, which led me to a thread suggesting to change the preferred codec in about:config, webp or x264, I cannot now recall
2022-10-28 09:32:12	octopus	Heya
2022-10-28 09:33:01	zan	!give octopus welcome
2022-10-28 09:33:01	phrik	octopus: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-10-28 09:33:41	octopus	I was trying to start okular from inside zathura
2022-10-28 09:33:52	octopus	cause I need to edit annotations
2022-10-28 09:34:37	octopus	but the original issue has changed, the problem seems to be with flatpak
2022-10-28 09:37:23	octopus	sorry, I prematurely came here, some more tests needs to be done
2022-10-28 09:37:34	octopus	then I will come with the right questions
2022-10-28 09:44:42	nzeo	what's the diffrent between a dns stubresolver running on l:53 and systemd-resolved w/ cache enabled but stub off. do programs benefit from the stub, when resolved also cache the results? and yes when? i tried to get my head around this by watching the traffic on my box. but still beeing a bit confused.
2022-10-28 09:45:04	grawity	"stub off" as in no resolv.conf?
2022-10-28 09:45:14	grawity	or as in "no additional stub resolver, only systemd-resolved"?
2022-10-28 09:45:39	grawity	the main purpose of systemd-resolved *is* to be a stub resolver, it caches stuff, it validates DNSSEC
2022-10-28 09:46:01	grawity	plus split-DNS support for VPNs and stuff
2022-10-28 09:46:06	nzeo	grawity: yes
2022-10-28 09:46:11	pluto316	I have an Intel integrated GPU and an NVIDIA discrete GPU. I'd like to primarily use NVIDIA for Wayland/X, but use Intel for tty. Should I just alter my display manager service to be wrapped by `prime-run`?
2022-10-28 09:46:31	pluto316	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PRIME#PRIME_render_offload
2022-10-28 09:46:32	phrik	Title: PRIME - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-28 09:47:08	nzeo	grawity: DNSStubResolver=no in resolved.conf
2022-10-28 09:48:47	grawity	there's no such option, only DNSStubListener=
2022-10-28 09:49:04	grawity	which disables a TCP/UDP listener at 127.0.0.53, but *doesn't* disable the D-Bus interface
2022-10-28 09:49:19	grawity	so programs configured to use 'hosts: resolve' in nsswitch.conf will still use systemd-resolved as the stub resolver
2022-10-28 09:49:36	nzeo	grawity: sorry DNSStubListener
2022-10-28 09:52:29	pluto316	Out of the box, I seem to be getting a black screen when starting up the DM service while using the proprietary NVIDIA driver. The integrated GPU is definitely loaded (lsmod shows me), so I'm thinking I do need to use prime here to switch over?
2022-10-28 09:52:40	nzeo	with this set to no, resolved still act as a "resolver" which is as you pointed out what it should do. and it still caches the results. so what does dnsstublistener does. i mean, yes it will start listen on lo:53 and lo:54. but when do programs choose to use this and why? i really see no diffrents between listener on/off
2022-10-28 09:59:59	grawity	programs choose to use this if you put "nameserver 127.0.0.53" in resolv.conf
2022-10-28 10:00:06	grawity	there's nothing more to it really
2022-10-28 10:00:23	grawity	(or if you symlink /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf to /etc/resolv.conf)
2022-10-28 10:01:56	octopus	okay, now here is my issue, I tried to start okular from within zathura for annotations, for okular I am using flatpak and for zathura I am using pacman. I tried to run pacman okular and it runs fine, but I can't get flatpak version to run, I get an error like this : " http://0x0.st/o3GU.KvvwMRO1 ", here is the script I am trying to use : " http://0x0.st/o3G0.txt ", here is the zathura binding :
2022-10-28 10:01:57	octopus	" http://0x0.st/o3GG.7KCzpcFm "
2022-10-28 10:05:01	nzeo	grawity: thx. but still. if resolv.conf points to 8.8.8.8 or 127.0.0.53 and iam running sd-resolved.service where one configure the dns server via DNS=8.8.8.8. the result is the same? :) do you read me?
2022-10-28 10:05:38	grawity	no, the result is not the same
2022-10-28 10:05:58	grawity	because systemd-resolved still provides caching, DNSSEC validation, etc
2022-10-28 10:06:08	nzeo	i mean so or so resolved will use 8.8.8.8 and act as resolver
2022-10-28 10:06:44	nzeo	grawity: ah, i think you miss understood me. in both cases iam using systemd-resolved
2022-10-28 10:06:57	nzeo	the only diff is stublistener
2022-10-28 10:07:13	nzeo	so dnssec and all that jazz work either way
2022-10-28 10:11:09	grawity	if you have "nameserver 8.8.8.8" in resolv.conf, that's not really using systemd-resolved
2022-10-28 10:11:26	grawity	programs that use the 'resolve' module will still use systemd-resolved, but programs that directly look at /etc/resolv.conf will not
2022-10-28 10:17:16	nzeo	grawity: ah i see. thx u! so only some programs uses dnssec and all that jazz if they uses the 'resolve' module? but w/ lo:53 in resolv.conf *all* programs must use systemd-resolved?
2022-10-28 10:22:16	spine-o-saurus	anyone know how to get video driver running on framebuffer? i tried making the initramfs with kms and amdgpu but it is not showing logon prompt after booting up
2022-10-28 11:09:00	vitali64	!paste
2022-10-28 11:09:01	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-10-28 11:09:12	vitali64	!ix
2022-10-28 11:09:13	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-10-28 11:16:46	vitali64	Thanks phrik 
2022-10-28 12:17:06	fernie	ffs, why did they need to remove \a (beep) from systemd wall message on reboot/shutdown. got so used to it, like confirmation i understood :D
2022-10-28 12:18:26	l36i0n	timeshift decided to crap out on me
2022-10-28 12:18:42	l36i0n	any advice
2022-10-28 12:45:34	luigibu	where usually aur apps stores custom use settings? 
2022-10-28 12:47:41	Namarrgon	it's the same mess as with non-"aur apps", all over the place
2022-10-28 12:49:01	Gagis	~/.config/ seems to have gradually become more common than most
2022-10-28 12:50:35	luigibu	hahahah.. damm
2022-10-28 12:52:04	luigibu	i have this app.. that was working fine until today... now.. it wont recognize my usbkey.. but uninstalling the app and installing it with snap.. works fine. so my guess.. is some leftover around.. i just.. cant find where
2022-10-28 12:56:25	thrice	you can use "find" search search
2022-10-28 12:56:58	thrice	find ~ -iname "*foo*"
2022-10-28 13:02:35	luigibu	will try that
2022-10-28 13:06:50	Edu4rdSHL	Also, "this app" is better if you provide the exact name
2022-10-28 13:53:13	luigibu	hi, i got phpstorm downloaded with the package from jetbrains.. it runs ok with phpsorm.sh but i wanna add it to be able to call it from krunner, i know is posible i just cant remember how i did it last time
2022-10-28 13:55:06	astralc	i think there is option inside one of the menus
2022-10-28 13:55:07	colo	you will need to create an appropriate .desktop file and put that in ~/.local/share/applications/
2022-10-28 13:55:38	luigibu	yes, desktop file.. i remember something like that
2022-10-28 13:55:45	luigibu	thanks man!
2022-10-28 14:08:41	nabakolu	Hey I'm currently trying to write a PKGBUILD for a small program, but when downloading the source from upstream the the files in the source/share folder that sould be installed to /usr/share have no write file permissions, so after I use makepkg I cannot delete the src folder without chaning file permissions. Should I just change the file permissions in the PKGBUILD or is there a standard way to
2022-10-28 14:08:43	nabakolu	solve such a problem?
2022-10-28 14:10:09	astralc	in which step you change the permissions?
2022-10-28 14:10:14	astralc	build or package?
2022-10-28 14:10:28	artefact	use install(1), eg install -mXXX
2022-10-28 14:11:23	nabakolu	Ok, but install only affects the files in the pkgdir right? The files in srcdir are already not deletable
2022-10-28 14:12:06	nabakolu	at least not without chmod or root
2022-10-28 14:12:40	astralc	the source archive already have owner set? weird
2022-10-28 14:13:32	nabakolu	yes, should I just change them to something reasonable in prepare() ?
2022-10-28 14:41:11	Strykar	I was wondering what the "arch way' of doing this for one of my aur packages too. Upstream does not ship version numbers in the file name, so I need to delete the binary.tar.gz before updating it or it fails checksum
2022-10-28 14:41:40	Ennea	doesn't PKGBUILD allow changing the name of the downloaded files?
2022-10-28 14:41:44	Ennea	pretty sure i've seen this before
2022-10-28 14:55:52	Edu4rdSHL	Ennea, "name-you-want::$source-url
2022-10-28 14:57:07	Ennea	Strykar, ^
2022-10-28 14:57:14	Ennea	Edu4rdSHL, thanks :)
2022-10-28 15:22:03	colo	what's the preferred means to have a shared ssh-agent instance between all login sessions of a given user on a host these days that gets auto-started upon logging in? I used to have pam-ssh (without authentication support in its PAM config) for that; how's one supposed to do that today? some systemd user-specific service, maybe?
2022-10-28 15:45:06	armin	colo: hm, can't you just export $SSH_AGENT_PID and $SSH_AUTH_SOCK in some way?
2022-10-28 15:52:42	GuiToris	hey, tell me a site that is full of ads. I wanna test my adblocker
2022-10-28 15:53:08	zan	youtube?
2022-10-28 15:53:43	colo	armin: I would still have to make sure ssh-agent starts up upon login :)
2022-10-28 15:53:51	GuiToris	I don't know, I've always had an adblocker ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-10-28 15:59:29	Gagis	any gossip tabloid site?
2022-10-28 16:02:35	armin	colo: i use this tiny wrapper function here, no idea if that's of any help for you, but maybe a pointer: https://gist.github.com/netzverweigerer/8d845c62666c43144db7074322470c78
2022-10-28 16:03:25	armin	colo: so yea i don't start it upon login because i need to input my passphrase to unlock my key anyways
2022-10-28 16:03:57	armin	colo: and yup i admit it, i would need something like that for rsync and scp as well, yada yada...
2022-10-28 16:05:18	armin	colo: it's absolutely not perfect, to say the least, pretty sure something better exists. :D
2022-10-28 16:06:32	renard	Hello! Is there any way to check which process is modifying a sysctl variable in the background? Some sort of "lsof -r" if you will, but for sysctl entries
2022-10-28 16:30:38	mohnish	does cuda version 11.8 support nvidia driver version 470.141.03?
2022-10-28 16:33:46	mohnish	according to https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-toolkit-release-notes/index.html I need atleast nvidia driver version 520.61.05 for cuda 11.8 to work
2022-10-28 16:33:47	phrik	Title: Release Notes :: CUDA Toolkit Documentation (at docs.nvidia.com)
2022-10-28 16:35:13	mohnish	But, I've tried to download and install older versions of cuda from ALA and they require an older version of gcc (gcc10 for cuda-11.4) and I'm running gcc12
2022-10-28 16:35:38	mohnish	Isn't downgrading gcc gonna break my system?
2022-10-28 16:37:02	artefact	do you have dkms modules?
2022-10-28 16:38:19	manifault	could you just build an older version of gcc locally from source and use that when compiling cuda?
2022-10-28 16:39:08	mohnish	artefact:  I think I only have the nvidia driver installed through dkms
2022-10-28 16:40:19	mohnish	manifault:  so, I'd have to install cuda using the .run file provided by nvidia?
2022-10-28 16:41:03	manifault	not sure, I've never installed cuda. I assume there are some environment variables you can set? could be wrong though
2022-10-28 16:49:11	Scimmia	mohnish: note that gcc10 was the package name, it was made to be installed in parallel with the gcc package, not replace it
2022-10-28 16:49:39	Scimmia	it's currently in the AUR
2022-10-28 16:49:47	mohnish	oh
2022-10-28 16:57:06	vardo	Hello, what is the proper way to download packages in order to install them on a machine that is not connected to the network (using a usb key, external drive, whatever)? I read parts of wiki pacman entry but i didn't see it address offline packages
2022-10-28 17:01:12	Scimmia	vardo: it depends on just what you're talking about. If the machine isn't up to date, you really need to update everything, or grab packages from the Archive that match the machine in question. You then put them into that machine's cache and just use pacman -S
2022-10-28 17:01:44	Scimmia	if you're talking about doing a full update, there's more to it
2022-10-28 17:02:00	vardo	Scimmia : I'm talking both
2022-10-28 17:02:21	vardo	Scimmia : I might need a full update at some point but also update/install new packages
2022-10-28 17:02:43	vardo	Scimmia : So I download in pacman's cache, move the stuff to the other machine pacman's cache and install there?
2022-10-28 17:03:29	Scimmia	as I said, you need packages that match the target machine, not what's currently in the repos
2022-10-28 17:03:39	vardo	Ah
2022-10-28 17:04:07	Scimmia	unless you're doing a full update, but getting the list of packages for that isn't simple
2022-10-28 17:05:06	Scimmia	really, an offline Arch machine isn't a great thing. Arch needs to be fuly updated regularily
2022-10-28 17:06:13	vardo	OK so maybe I will use a debian stable for this one
2022-10-28 17:06:20	vardo	Thank you
2022-10-28 17:07:23	espresso	I could be corrected on this, but perhaps https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Offline_installation w/archiso may be some help
2022-10-28 17:07:24	phrik	Title: Offline installation - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-28 17:09:31	vardo	Thanks for the link
2022-10-28 17:09:39	vardo	I didn't know it
2022-10-28 17:10:39	morguldir[m]	So `gpg --list-secret-keys` has started to fail inside fakeroot after around 24~ of uptime, which results in makepkg getting stuck, usually with this IPC connect failed message http://ix.io/4ekf, does anyone know why this could be happening?
2022-10-28 17:12:55	Edu4rdSHL	The agent is the one failing to start
2022-10-28 17:13:17	Edu4rdSHL	Maybe related to DBus 
2022-10-28 17:15:09	espresso	vardo:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Additional_commands also include installing from local file
2022-10-28 17:15:10	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-28 17:15:41	vardo	espresso, yes I read this, but I am not sure how to get the right files in the first place
2022-10-28 17:16:20	morguldir[m]	the agent is usually still running outside the fakeroot, so I'm not sure why it's trying to start it
2022-10-28 17:18:26	espresso	vardo: typically, I was installing a previous version from pacman cache, or downloaded the package from an arch repo
2022-10-28 17:34:00	mohnish	Scimmia:  I get this error https://dpaste.org/9E4Ta
2022-10-28 17:34:04	phrik	Title: dpaste/9E4Ta (Python) (at dpaste.org)
2022-10-28 17:34:04	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o35z.k08I8295
2022-10-28 17:40:27	haritz	Hi, I built a QEMU filesystem image with arch-chroot and a bunch of recipes I found on the internet, and everything works well if I use qemu's -nographic mode with a virtual text tty for early console output and login
2022-10-28 17:40:48	haritz	the problem is when I try to use the gtk window functionality, the getty process is never launched
2022-10-28 17:42:16	haritz	I was wondering what systemd unit or service handles launching of getty processes
2022-10-28 17:43:32	midnite	hi. I am getting strange I/O errors when I try to perform operations on a disk (SATA SSD) while trying to install Arch. for example: "# hdparm -I /dev/sda" outputs, "I/O error, dev loop0, sector 40890 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x800 phys_seq 75 prio class 0
2022-10-28 17:44:07	midnite	"# gdisk /dev/sda" gives: "SHASHFS error: unable to read page, block df123e, size 3eed4"
2022-10-28 17:44:19	⚡ 	midnite has no idea what to do about this
2022-10-28 17:45:01	midnite	and yes, I am in fact working with the correct disk - lsblk and parted output confirm the internal disk is /dev/sda
2022-10-28 17:45:18	thrice	could the disk by dying / defective?
2022-10-28 17:45:19	midnite	I am not sure what to do here, so some advice would be much appreciated
2022-10-28 17:45:38	midnite	could be, thrice. I made the mistake of trying to 'erase' it for encryption, and that's when these errors began to appear
2022-10-28 17:45:49	midnite	probably, I should've just done an ATA Secure Erase
2022-10-28 17:45:54	midnite	but I tried to write random crap to it
2022-10-28 17:46:07	midnite	what tests could I perform on the disk?
2022-10-28 17:46:09	midnite	(SSD)
2022-10-28 17:46:32	midnite	s/SHASHFS/SQUASHFS
2022-10-28 17:47:39	Scimmia	mohnish: read the sticky post on the AUR page. Helpers aren't helpingyou
2022-10-28 17:47:41	astralc	error look more on the archiso side, not on the disk - loop, squashfs
2022-10-28 17:48:10	midnite	astralc: I will try loading it onto a different flash drive, then. this one is old. h4rd3n3d, I will try that after I do <--
2022-10-28 17:55:07	mohnish	Scimmia:  what does a clean chroot mean?
2022-10-28 17:59:19	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:Building in a clean chroot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-28 18:05:03	mohnish	ah, okay
2022-10-28 18:36:07	tijko	is there a way to open '.ics' files to add them to my calendar?
2022-10-28 18:36:47	astralc	depending on the program, yes
2022-10-28 18:49:46	jb1277976_	Can somebody help me set my date and time in cinnnamon desktop
2022-10-28 18:49:48	jb1277976_	[joe@archlinux ~]$ sudo hwclock
2022-10-28 18:49:48	jb1277976_	2022-10-28 16:49:28.254402+00:00
2022-10-28 18:49:50	jb1277976_	way off
2022-10-28 18:50:57	jb1277976_	i followed this guide https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2013/08/hwclock-examples/ but nothing
2022-10-28 18:50:59	phrik	Title: 7 Linux hwclock Command Examples to Set Hardware Clock Date Time (at www.thegeekstuff.com)
2022-10-28 18:51:08	phrik	Title: Network Time Protocol daemon - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-28 18:51:29	tijko	astralc thanks I got it
2022-10-28 18:52:42	astralc	jb1277976_: did you set your timezone?
2022-10-28 18:52:44	tijko	jb1277976_ are you using ntpd?
2022-10-28 18:53:13	astralc	also, look right for the utc time
2022-10-28 18:53:13	tijko	h4rd3n3d my apologises didn't see your comment
2022-10-28 18:54:37	jb1277976_	Got it
2022-10-28 19:05:00	midnite	hi, I am attempting to ATA Secure Erase an SSD, using the 'hdparm' command, like so: hdparm --user-master u --security-erase-enhanced PasSWorD /dev/sda
2022-10-28 19:05:27	midnite	however, the secure erase completes instantly, even though it should take 8 mins according to 'hdparm -I /dev/sda'. What gives?
2022-10-28 19:05:36	midnite	s/completes/'completes'
2022-10-28 19:05:56	midnite	machine is a Thinkpad T-series laptop from a few years ago. Drive is the one that came with it
2022-10-28 19:06:14	MrElendig	on some drives secure erase basically just means "throw the key away" which is instant
2022-10-28 19:06:43	midnite	okay. why then does hdparm -I give me a time of 8 mins for a 'secure erase'? where does that number even come from?
2022-10-28 19:06:53	jelle	from the controller :p
2022-10-28 19:07:00	jelle	midnite: with SMART you just send commands
2022-10-28 19:08:16	xx	midnite: is the drive now empty?
2022-10-28 19:08:21	xx	if yes, don't worry about it
2022-10-28 19:08:32	midnite	I did 'lsblk' and my partition were still there. rebooting to verify
2022-10-28 19:08:47	midnite	after reboot, partitons are now gone
2022-10-28 19:09:22	xx	did you unmount the partitions before doing the secure erase?
2022-10-28 19:09:23	artefact	could probably have used $(kpartx -u)
2022-10-28 19:09:30	midnite	yes - they were never mounted
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2022-10-28 19:42:52	lsrtl	is it possible to be notified once certain package update becomes available ?
2022-10-28 19:43:17	MrElendig	lsrtl: arom/rss + your favorite client
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2022-10-28 19:43:29	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-10-28 19:44:19	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-10-28 19:44:19	ℹ 	Tema establecido por alad (alad@archlinux/op/alad) el jue, 28 jul 2022 19:12:50
2022-10-28 19:44:19	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1441 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1440 normals)
2022-10-28 19:44:21	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-10-28 19:44:26	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-10-28 19:44:26	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-10-28 19:45:24	lsrtl	MrElendig, is there a feed for all package updates somewhere ?
2022-10-28 19:46:08	MrElendig	its right there on the homepage
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2022-10-28 19:46:55	MrElendig	top right "Recent Updates(more) <RSS ICON LINK TO TEH FEED>"
2022-10-28 19:46:58	lsrtl	haha, ic, thx
2022-10-28 19:47:36	MrElendig	also https://archlinux.org/feeds/ for the (almost) full list
2022-10-28 19:47:37	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - RSS Feeds (at archlinux.org)
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2022-10-28 19:49:37	midnite	linux-firmware is the appropriate firmware package for the linux-hardened kernel, correct?
2022-10-28 19:49:49	midnite	i.e. there is no linux-hardened-firmware
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2022-10-28 19:50:09	MrElendig	correct
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2022-10-28 19:55:08	midnite	is there any particular network manager that plays nicely with the XFCE desktop, allowing me to use the GUI to connect to wifi? I've gone with NetworkManager (nmcli) in the past
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2022-10-28 19:55:50	thrice	isn't there a gtk network-manager-applet ?
2022-10-28 19:55:56	teraflops	iirc xfce has a nm applet to manage the networking
2022-10-28 19:56:15	thrice	extra/network-manager-applet 1.28.0-1
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2022-10-28 19:57:08	anotherNightmare	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NetworkManager#Front-ends
2022-10-28 19:57:10	phrik	Title: NetworkManager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-10-28 19:59:41	midnite	ho
2022-10-28 19:59:45	midnite	oops.
2022-10-28 20:00:00	midnite	do any of you use iwd with iwgtk? if so, how do you like it?
2022-10-28 20:00:12	midnite	the install medium uses iwd, and it seems decent enough
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2022-10-28 20:00:56	anotherNightmare	NM can use iwd as backend
2022-10-28 20:01:50	MrElendig	with some gotchas, due to iwd being bugged
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2022-10-28 20:02:25	midnite	ah yeah. the wiki says it's 'experimental'
2022-10-28 20:03:19	midnite	which shell does the install medium use? zsh?
2022-10-28 20:03:26	thrice	yes
2022-10-28 20:03:46	astralc	with grml-zsh-config
2022-10-28 20:03:57	midnite	i'm still a noob with the shell, especially zsh. how would I run 'pacstrap -K /mnt' with a list of packages I've written into a text file (seperated by spaces)?
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2022-10-28 20:04:50	midnite	I guess I could just type them out manually - there are only around a dozen
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2022-10-28 20:05:48	Warepire	midnite: pacstrap -K /mnt $(cat /path/to/file)
2022-10-28 20:06:30	midnite	Warepire: thanks!
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2022-10-28 20:07:49	midnite	I think I've got everything I'll need for now, in terms of packages: base, base-devel, the kernel and firmware, mesa, wayland, gdm, xfce4 and xfce4-goodies, networkmanager, firefox...
2022-10-28 20:08:02	midnite	I have intel graphics and WLAN
2022-10-28 20:08:19	astralc	cat /path/to/file | xargs pacstrap -K /mnt
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2022-10-28 20:08:49	midnite	I guess ufw might be good as well
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2022-10-28 20:09:22	ℹ 	coruja_ es conocido ahora como coruja
2022-10-28 20:10:01	MrElendig	ufw is mheeeeee
2022-10-28 20:10:25	astralc	Ubuntu Fire Wall
2022-10-28 20:10:25	MrElendig	despite its not so great cli syntax, firewalld is nicer
2022-10-28 20:10:50	MrElendig	though if all you ever want to do is block *; allow 22, then ufw is fine
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2022-10-28 20:10:57	midnite	meh, ufw is kind of confusing, too. all these words I have to enter in some arbitrary order
2022-10-28 20:11:05	midnite	but yeah that's pretty much what I want to do
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2022-10-28 20:11:31	MrElendig	except when it causes issues when other stuff is running which uses netfilter
2022-10-28 20:11:39	midnite	ooh, nmcli can manage firewalld
2022-10-28 20:11:39	MrElendig	then you get quite a bit of "fun"
2022-10-28 20:11:48	midnite	MrElendig: firewalld does? or ufw?
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2022-10-28 20:11:53	MrElendig	nftables*
2022-10-28 20:12:45	midnite	also, which packages are musts to install with zsh? aside from oh-my-zsh, which some like and some don't...
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2022-10-28 20:12:57	midnite	zsh-completion seems like a good one
2022-10-28 20:13:09	MrElendig	ufw can use nftables as the backend, but it really want to be the only thing to do so when you do
2022-10-28 20:13:26	midnite	ah ok
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2022-10-28 20:19:58	brjl	... hahahahaha
2022-10-28 20:20:01	brjl	Sorry
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2022-10-28 20:26:29	bluetail	midnite I recently switched to zim, was so much easier to setup
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2022-10-28 20:28:42	midnite	i'll check it out
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2022-10-28 20:29:40	midnite	after using tmux in the install medium, I'm kind of liking the aesthetic of just having terminal panes on my screen. I think I'll install sway as well
2022-10-28 20:30:07	midnite	then, when I use my laptop at Starbucks, people will think I'm an uber 1337 hax0r
2022-10-28 20:30:47	Psi-Jack	midnite: I use tmux and 1 terminal and only 1 terminal. A simple visor terminal that I run multiple sessions of tmux in with multiple tabs as needed for each session. And remotely I also bridge tmux remotely controlled by the local tmux in my awesome tmuxination.
2022-10-28 20:30:55	topcat001	I usually try iwd+networkd+resolved first, and if that does not work then use NM (rarely these days as the systemd setup seems to cover most use cases for me).
2022-10-28 20:31:20	midnite	Psi-Jack: how do you deal with SSHing into other machines and having tmux session there? I guess you use nested tmux sessions?
2022-10-28 20:31:34	midnite	I use tmux too, but for that scenario, I use tabs in my terminal emulator
2022-10-28 20:31:46	Psi-Jack	midnite: I have a setup as I just said, my local tmux allows/controls the remote tmux session.
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2022-10-28 20:32:01	midnite	cool. I may have to ask you about setting that up later
2022-10-28 20:32:17	midnite	do you use a different tmux keybind for local? e.g. ^A?
2022-10-28 20:32:22	Psi-Jack	No.
2022-10-28 20:32:25	Psi-Jack	As I said...
2022-10-28 20:32:28	Psi-Jack	lol
2022-10-28 20:32:30	midnite	yes I know lol
2022-10-28 20:32:40	midnite	i'm just not sure how that works
2022-10-28 20:32:44	Psi-Jack	Different bindings would be meh.
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2022-10-28 20:32:52	midnite	it's as if you told a person who had never driven before, "just downshit into third"
2022-10-28 20:32:55	midnite	:D
2022-10-28 20:33:00	midnite	shift*
2022-10-28 20:33:10	Psi-Jack	I have locally the top-bar being my tabs. And remotely the tab bar is on the bottom, and I flip between the two.
2022-10-28 20:33:15	midnite	cool
2022-10-28 20:33:20	midnite	I didn't even know that was possible
2022-10-28 20:33:26	Psi-Jack	Yep. 🙂
2022-10-28 20:33:35	Psi-Jack	tmux talking to tmux to handle the switch.
2022-10-28 20:33:46	midnite	this is why I like Arch linux. I always learn something from using it, or chatting with other users
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2022-10-28 20:34:01	Psi-Jack	I didn't design this config in Arch Linux. 😛
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2022-10-28 20:57:06	midnite	when running the install medium, chrooted into my new arch install - so just in the tty, no desktop environment - is there anything I can use as a clipboard? e.g. to copy the exact UUID of some block device, so I can run vim and then paste it into a text file?
2022-10-28 20:57:10	midnite	if not, what's the best way to do this?
2022-10-28 20:57:30	midnite	if I make a mistake typing the UUID, I fear I may have to redo the entire install, because I'm doing an encrypted install
2022-10-28 20:57:43	midnite	(i'm configuring /etc/default/grub right now)
2022-10-28 20:58:04	topcat001	use tmux
2022-10-28 20:58:08	midnite	I am
2022-10-28 20:58:14	bitsplease	tmux or screen is the way
2022-10-28 20:58:17	midnite	how does that help with the clipboard situation though?
2022-10-28 20:58:26	topcat001	tmux can copy paste stuff
2022-10-28 20:58:30	midnite	oh neat!
2022-10-28 20:58:31	bitsplease	both have their own copy/paste buffers
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2022-10-28 20:58:55	midnite	how do I cat some file into there? e.g. copy a file's contents?
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2022-10-28 20:59:26	midnite	nvm
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2022-10-28 20:59:28	midnite	https://www.rockyourcode.com/copy-and-paste-in-tmux/
2022-10-28 20:59:36	bitsplease	https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/58765
2022-10-28 20:59:37	phrik	Title: Copy text from one tmux pane to another (using vim) - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2022-10-28 20:59:42	midnite	I had *no* idea this was a thing.
2022-10-28 20:59:43	midnite	<3 you all
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2022-10-28 20:59:56	bitsplease	tmux is magical for Xless development
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2022-10-28 21:01:03	topcat001	in a limited way vim can also multiplex terminals
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2022-10-28 21:04:37	midnite	so the idea that tmux can do this is cool, but this isn't working for me. Ctrl+Space does nothing, and I just get stuck in this weird 'copy mode'
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2022-10-28 21:05:22	midnite	hm let me try again
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2022-10-28 21:06:09	astralc	(space to start select, enter to copy and exit)
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2022-10-28 21:06:17	astralc	^b ] to paste
2022-10-28 21:06:29	midnite	enter works yeah. the other suggested keys for that do not
2022-10-28 21:06:31	midnite	:D
2022-10-28 21:06:38	midnite	wow, so I can copy and paste in tmux. neato
2022-10-28 21:06:56	midnite	no more awkwardly typing things by hand like a newb
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2022-10-28 21:07:38	astralc	if the mouse working you can select with the mouse and paste with middle click
2022-10-28 21:08:26	midnite	ah yeah, I forgot about that. I'm using a laptop, and I don't think the trackpad will work...
2022-10-28 21:08:29	midnite	nope
2022-10-28 21:08:46	midnite	question about encryption and configuring the boot loader's kernel parameters:
2022-10-28 21:09:00	astralc	ah it disabled by default in archiso
2022-10-28 21:09:03	midnite	I'm told to put something like this, "cryptdevice=UUID=device-UUID:cryptlvm root=/dev/MyVolGroup/root", in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
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2022-10-28 21:09:08	astralc	systemctl start gp,
2022-10-28 21:09:11	midnite	do I also want it in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX ?
2022-10-28 21:09:11	astralc	*gpm
2022-10-28 21:09:17	midnite	for the recovery boot?
2022-10-28 21:09:19	midnite	I assume so
2022-10-28 21:09:25	astralc	do you want grub is also a question
2022-10-28 21:09:41	midnite	hm yeah. why may I not want it? I'm on an UEFI/GPT system
2022-10-28 21:09:48	midnite	so maybe I should use something else
2022-10-28 21:09:51	midnite	what do you think about this
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2022-10-28 21:10:01	teraflops	there's systemd boot
2022-10-28 21:10:06	◣	tradar (~tradar@user/tradar) ha salido (Quit: tradar)
2022-10-28 21:10:17	astralc	depending on your setup - separate /boot?
2022-10-28 21:10:37	astralc	i.e. boot not in luks
2022-10-28 21:10:51	astralc	sd-boot, or refind
2022-10-28 21:10:55	MrElendig	not much reason to have a seperate /boot vs just stuffing it on the esp
2022-10-28 21:11:20	astralc	MrElendig: esp get full, then life sucks
2022-10-28 21:11:30	MrElendig	astralc: /boot gets full then life sucks
2022-10-28 21:11:33	MrElendig	no difference there
2022-10-28 21:11:33	midnite	seperate /boot, yes, sharing the ESP
2022-10-28 21:11:43	midnite	fat32 partiton for /boot and esp
2022-10-28 21:11:45	midnite	and rest is luks
2022-10-28 21:11:57	astralc	yeh, but /boot can be separate from other distros or windows
2022-10-28 21:12:03	astralc	esp, not so much
2022-10-28 21:12:14	MrElendig	for multiple distroes there is the new bootx spec, but no one follows it anyway
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2022-10-28 21:12:24	astralc	xbootldr?
2022-10-28 21:12:25	midnite	[insert xkcd about new specs]
2022-10-28 21:12:31	MrElendig	yea
2022-10-28 21:12:57	midnite	who here uses systemd-boot? do you... I don't know, like it? does it do what you need?
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2022-10-28 21:13:03	midnite	I think it's fairly popular now
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2022-10-28 21:13:10	jelle	systemd-boot is fine
2022-10-28 21:13:13	MrElendig	it works fine for most use cases
2022-10-28 21:13:15	astralc	midnite: it does what it supposed to do
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2022-10-28 21:13:44	astralc	I prefer refind
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2022-10-28 21:25:26	midnite	well, I fscked up. I tried to boot my new encrypted install, and I go to the grub shell
2022-10-28 21:25:36	midnite	s/go/was sent to
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2022-10-28 21:26:56	midnite	does anyone feel like helping me figure out how to boot into it, if at all possible?
2022-10-28 21:27:02	midnite	I did an LVM on LUKS setup, following the install guide and https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#LVM_on_LUKS
2022-10-28 21:27:03	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Encrypting an entire system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-10-28 21:27:20	Namarrgon	is /boot encrypted, too?
2022-10-28 21:28:45	midnite	Namarrgon: it is not. /boot is on the ESP
2022-10-28 21:28:57	midnite	well, it *is* the esp. I read and was told that's the simple way to do it
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2022-10-28 21:29:03	Namarrgon	how did you install and configure grub?
2022-10-28 21:29:16	midnite	I think that's the issue. I've messed that up before...
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2022-10-28 21:29:25	midnite	oh god lol
2022-10-28 21:29:26	ℹ 	hayaliali es conocido ahora como alip
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2022-10-28 21:29:31	midnite	I forgot to generate the grub config file
2022-10-28 21:29:39	midnite	that explains it.
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2022-10-28 21:29:56	midnite	I just edited /etc/defaults/grub, but forgot to run grub-mkconfig. >_>
2022-10-28 21:30:12	Namarrgon	why did you edit /etc/defaults/grub?
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2022-10-28 21:30:33	mefistofeles	can't remember, why is that arch doesn't necessarily releases every possible kernel version? 
2022-10-28 21:30:38	midnite	Namarrgon: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#Configuring_the_boot_loader_2
2022-10-28 21:30:39	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Encrypting an entire system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-28 21:31:01	midnite	"In order to unlock the encrypted root partition at boot, the following kernel parameter needs to be set by the boot loader"
2022-10-28 21:31:14	Namarrgon	okay
2022-10-28 21:31:30	Namarrgon	mefistofeles: too many releases, too few maintainers
2022-10-28 21:32:17	Namarrgon	most of the supported upstream kernels aren't terribly interesting anyway, i would say
2022-10-28 21:32:20	alad	too many regressions
2022-10-28 21:32:25	alad	6.0.3 broke btrfs (again)
2022-10-28 21:32:33	alad	to name 1 example
2022-10-28 21:32:40	astralc	and also 5.19.12
2022-10-28 21:32:54	astralc	with intel gpu
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2022-10-28 21:35:37	mefistofeles	Namarrgon: ah okay, fair enough
2022-10-28 21:36:08	mefistofeles	I've been having troubles with the system freezing under high loads with 6.0.2
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2022-10-28 21:36:24	mefistofeles	haven't had the time to test this correctly, but I'm back to LTS for the moment
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2022-10-28 21:39:42	anotherNightmare	midnite: depending on your initramfs you might not need to set anything as grub can figure it out itself
2022-10-28 21:40:16	anotherNightmare	midnite: also note that the grub variables are named confusingly. 
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2022-10-28 21:40:50	anotherNightmare	GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT is only applied to the non-fallback image
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2022-10-28 21:43:22	midnite	yeah, I read that on the wiki, but thanks
2022-10-28 21:43:24	midnite	it is confusing.
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2022-10-28 21:45:10	midnite	alright, I got my encrypted container mounted. now I can actually generate the grub config before I install it >_>
2022-10-28 21:45:44	Namarrgon	the order doesn't matter, grub-install doesn't need nor read grub.cfg
2022-10-28 21:46:07	astralc	make sure to also mount the esp
2022-10-28 21:46:29	midnite	yeah I did :)
2022-10-28 21:46:57	midnite	Namarrgon: wait - then why did I get sent to the grub shell? isn't it necessary to have a grub.cfg file to generate the boot menu and all that?
2022-10-28 21:47:54	Namarrgon	is there a default grub.cfg?
2022-10-28 21:48:05	midnite	there was none :D
2022-10-28 21:48:08	midnite	so no
2022-10-28 21:48:43	midnite	when I run this command: 
2022-10-28 21:48:54	midnite	"grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=esp --bootloader-id=GRUB" esp would be /boot/EFI, right? or would it simply be /boot?
2022-10-28 21:49:14	Namarrgon	point it to the mojntpoint of the ESP
2022-10-28 21:49:21	Namarrgon	*mountpoint
2022-10-28 21:50:03	MrElendig	and you might want something more descriptive than "GRUB" as the id
2022-10-28 21:50:17	teraflops	people still failing at that, the put esp instead the path to the actual esp
2022-10-28 21:50:25	teraflops	they^
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2022-10-28 21:50:39	midnite	lol
2022-10-28 21:50:40	astralc	teraflops: reading is haaaarrrddd
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2022-10-28 21:50:46	midnite	Namarrgon: alright, thanks
2022-10-28 21:50:49	teraflops	nah is mesleading imo
2022-10-28 21:50:55	teraflops	misleading 
2022-10-28 21:51:27	midnite	MrElendig: why would I want something besides "GRUB"? it's the only bootloader on the system
2022-10-28 21:51:36	midnite	I could probably call it "foo"
2022-10-28 21:52:11	astralc	you can call it al
2022-10-28 21:52:19	midnite	how about I call it, Steve
2022-10-28 21:52:26	midnite	that's a perfectly fine name
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2022-10-28 21:52:59	jkc	"You can't name a planet Bob!"
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2022-10-28 21:54:11	MrElendig	"p on your keyboard, bob"
2022-10-28 21:54:21	astralc	what, you never heard about planet george?
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2022-10-28 22:05:58	midnite	it's been a while since I set up an Arch install. I made my "super" user account a member of wheel, but it can't run sudo... I also can't figure out how to simply login to a shell as root. help?
2022-10-28 22:05:58	midnite	I'm currently reading https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Users_and_groups but haven't found my answer yet
2022-10-28 22:06:00	phrik	Title: Users and groups - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-28 22:06:37	Edu4rdSHL	midnite, use `visudo`
2022-10-28 22:06:51	Edu4rdSHL	You need to enable the group to be able to use sudo :)
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2022-10-28 22:07:11	midnite	yeah, I figured that out lol, but I wasn't sure how to enable the group when I wasn't allowed to use sudo...
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2022-10-28 22:07:26	Edu4rdSHL	The root user is always there :)
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2022-10-28 22:07:47	bluetail	if u dont like vi like me, use 'EDITOR=nano sudo -E visudo'
2022-10-28 22:07:50	midnite	see my above comment - how do I login to the shell as root? I'm in the graphical environment
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2022-10-28 22:08:13	Edu4rdSHL	Using `su` :)
2022-10-28 22:08:13	bluetail	midnite 'sudo -i'
2022-10-28 22:08:20	midnite	d'oh
2022-10-28 22:08:23	Edu4rdSHL	bluetail, he doesn't have access to sudo...
2022-10-28 22:08:23	midnite	thanks :)
2022-10-28 22:08:28	bluetail	oh forgot
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2022-10-28 22:10:58	MrElendig	su - even
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2022-10-28 22:12:00	midnite	got it, thanks all
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2022-10-28 22:13:16	bluetail	'su - username' was for switching back right?
2022-10-28 22:13:21	MrElendig	ctrl-d
2022-10-28 22:13:29	MrElendig	or `exit`
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2022-10-28 22:14:31	midnite	why might my wireless card not show up in 'nmcli'? it's an Intel card with drivers in the kernel
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2022-10-28 22:14:37	midnite	7265
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2022-10-28 22:15:10	MrElendig	rfkill list all
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2022-10-28 22:15:57	midnite	weird. I just see "tpacpi_bluetooth_sw: Bluetooth" and "hci0: Bluetooth", MrElendig 
2022-10-28 22:16:11	MrElendig	no wifi at all?
2022-10-28 22:16:17	midnite	no, but the card shows up in 'lspci'
2022-10-28 22:16:25	MrElendig	uname -r; pacman -Q linux linux-firmware
2022-10-28 22:16:55	midnite	I used linux-hardened. please tell me that disables wifi...
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2022-10-28 22:17:05	midnite	I have an ethernet port on this machine, no big deal, but still
2022-10-28 22:17:13	MrElendig	adjust the pacman call as needed then
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2022-10-28 22:17:49	midnite	"package linux-firmware" was not found. weird, I swear I told pacstrap to install it. thanks, MrElendig 
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2022-10-28 22:18:42	midnite	and, nope, I forgot to pass in 'linux-firmware' to pacstrap. 
2022-10-28 22:18:55	midnite	I am looking at the text file of packages I passed in, and it's not there,
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2022-10-28 22:34:09	l36i0n	anybody else having problems building icecat?
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2022-10-28 22:35:39	MrElendig	!errors
2022-10-28 22:35:40	phrik	Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2022-10-28 22:35:56	MrElendig	why icecat though?
2022-10-28 22:36:07	teraflops	l36i0n: icecat-bin is not for you?
2022-10-28 22:36:32	MrElendig	(depending on which icecat you mean, since there are multiple projects with that name)
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2022-10-28 22:38:13	l36i0n	i can't remember the exact error. sorry
2022-10-28 22:38:31	MrElendig	come back when you have reproduced it then if you want help
2022-10-28 22:38:34	MrElendig	also read the aur comments
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2022-10-28 22:54:12	Mrmaxmeier	Hi, is there a (good) way to suggest patches for non-AUR packages? Sending emails with git-format-patch attachements worked for me for AUR packages, but I imagine that doesn't fly in the SVN world (?)
2022-10-28 22:54:33	snek	i am wondering the same thing
2022-10-28 22:54:40	Edu4rdSHL	A bug report, Mrmaxmeier 
2022-10-28 22:54:57	Mrmaxmeier	With a .patch attached?
2022-10-28 22:55:00	snek	i directly contacted the maintainer of a package even, they said they would make the requested change, and then never did
2022-10-28 22:55:09	snek	so frustrating
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2022-10-28 22:58:26	Edu4rdSHL	A bug report with the details about why do you want the change or why do you see it useful for users with a .patch attached is better than emailing directly the maintainer, tho
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2022-10-29 16:37:40	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-10-29 16:37:40	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1438 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1437 normals)
2022-10-29 02:32:19	throstur	thank you dear fellow peers for reminding me to do my regular update
2022-10-29 02:32:25	throstur	!next
2022-10-29 02:32:25	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-10-29 02:32:30	B-|	uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2022-10-29 02:32:42	throstur	see you tomorrow
2022-10-29 02:32:43	B-|	not all of them depend on openssl being safe
2022-10-29 02:33:08	throstur	listen, mate. u be le pwned, forget about it! stop worrying so much or airgap your damn server already
2022-10-29 02:33:31	B-|	okay
2022-10-29 02:33:42	B-|	i was just wondering and wanted to make a joke
2022-10-29 02:33:51	throstur	if you want to hack the planet just find a vulnerability in one of the thousands of open source tools people rely on regularly, there will be thousands of tiny little bugs that seem innocuous but if you put them together properly you can manage to barely scrape by a rop chain into something useful
2022-10-29 02:34:23	throstur	anyone can do it, it's a lot of work, people do it for money or political fame, nobody cares about your stuff so if you get hacked it's gonna be some guy basically doing it for educational purposes
2022-10-29 02:34:34	throstur	and that email you get about your webcam catching you wanking is a scam, ignore it
2022-10-29 02:34:48	throstur	tl;dr : update regularly, don't worry so much
2022-10-29 02:35:00	B-|	okay
2022-10-29 02:35:24	B-|	i forget to update my vps
2022-10-29 02:35:42	throstur	slap wrist, drink water, think positive and remember to update
2022-10-29 02:43:48	jb1277976_	How do i active my built in webcam ? looking at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/webcam_setup and it really looks like its for usb
2022-10-29 02:43:49	phrik	Title: Webcam setup - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-29 02:44:32	Edu4rdSHL	jb1277976_, it should just works
2022-10-29 02:44:38	Edu4rdSHL	What problem do you have?
2022-10-29 02:44:52	jb1277976_	i went to test my webcam on a website and it can't find the webcam
2022-10-29 02:45:20	jb1277976_	i see its recnognized via dmesg
2022-10-29 02:45:55	Edu4rdSHL	Can you use it with something like `cheese`?
2022-10-29 02:46:05	jb1277976_	let me install it
2022-10-29 02:46:08	Edu4rdSHL	Also, do you give permissions to the website to use your webcam?
2022-10-29 02:46:53	jb1277976_	usually it ask for permission but it didnt'. let me try another website
2022-10-29 02:47:52	jb1277976_	Edu4rdSHL: cheese says no device found
2022-10-29 02:48:11	Edu4rdSHL	Which laptop do you have?
2022-10-29 02:48:59	jb1277976_	hp envy x360 
2022-10-29 02:49:02	thrice	!kernelcheck
2022-10-29 02:49:02	phrik	compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2022-10-29 02:49:04	thrice	?
2022-10-29 02:49:23	jb1277976_	that for me thrice 
2022-10-29 02:50:45	thrice	yes
2022-10-29 02:52:49	jb1277976_	https://dpaste.com/F5XNZZJRT < -- brb gotta go take my son to play basketball
2022-10-29 02:56:08	Edu4rdSHL	jb1277976_, https://www.google.com/search?q=hp+envy+x360+camera+archlinux&oq=hp+envy+x360+camera+archlinux
2022-10-29 02:56:19	Edu4rdSHL	There are some relevant results, no idea which exact model do you have
2022-10-29 02:56:34	Edu4rdSHL	But the hp envy x360 have specific wiki sections
2022-10-29 02:59:22	aod	Hi guys, about the swap filesystem isn't better ext2 that ext3 or ext4, for it?
2022-10-29 02:59:34	jkc	Huh?
2022-10-29 02:59:40	Namarrgon	no
2022-10-29 02:59:41	aod	jkc lol
2022-10-29 02:59:43	topcat001	I had a very bad experience with a particular HP Envy model. The nvme drive is not visible in Linux because the firmware has no way to enable AHCI mode. Intel RST/RAID is hardcoded and non-defeatable. This was at work so we got rid of it.
2022-10-29 02:59:52	jkc	Swap isn't a filesystem.
2022-10-29 02:59:57	aod	Namarragon omg, why?
2022-10-29 03:00:13	jkc	If you're talking about a swap FILE, then no, it doesn't matter what filesystem you put it on, it gets directly mapped to the disk anyway.
2022-10-29 03:00:23	aod	jkc well the partition where is mounted
2022-10-29 03:00:52	jkc	swap isn't a filesystem. You format it as a swap space, not a filesystem. ext[234] aren't relevant here.
2022-10-29 03:01:32	Namarrgon	what are you using now?
2022-10-29 03:01:32	topcat001	alad: I just looked up the btrfs issue you mentioned with 6.0.2. This is why file servers are probably best left running linux-lts :)
2022-10-29 03:01:58	Edu4rdSHL	topcat001, which issue?
2022-10-29 03:02:02	Edu4rdSHL	o.O
2022-10-29 03:02:21	topcat001	1 sec Edu4rdSHL, looking up...
2022-10-29 03:02:37	Edu4rdSHL	Eeeh, sorry for putting you to scroll hehe
2022-10-29 03:02:47	topcat001	https://lore.kernel.org/linux-btrfs/1c531dd5de7477c8b6ec15d4aebb8e42ae460925.camel@scientia.org/t/
2022-10-29 03:02:48	phrik	Title: 6.0.3 broke space_cache=v1 devices (at lore.kernel.org)
2022-10-29 03:02:49	Edu4rdSHL	It's just that I use btrfs here and there sooo
2022-10-29 03:02:54	topcat001	no problem :)
2022-10-29 03:03:13	topcat001	sorry 6.0.3 was the problematic version
2022-10-29 03:03:14	Edu4rdSHL	Aaaah, luckily I migrated all my thing to v2 a while ago... thank you for the link!
2022-10-29 03:03:27	topcat001	Edu4rdSHL: excellent! yw
2022-10-29 03:03:47	topcat001	I just set up a test btrfs raid1 system to play with
2022-10-29 03:05:51	SponiX	topcat001: I did too. Although I haven't gotten time to toss any situations at it _yet_
2022-10-29 03:06:09	SponiX	topcat001: But, I did put 7.5TB of data on it that I am ready to lose
2022-10-29 03:06:11	topcat001	same hehe and the machine is on UPS
2022-10-29 03:06:16	Edu4rdSHL	I have BTRFS Raids 1 and 0 as well as single setups without any problem, it works very well since a time ago. Haven't played with 5/6 Raids yet, I'm still a bit afraid since that there haven't been many fixes for there raid levels
2022-10-29 03:06:40	aod	Namarrgon i have a broken install, if can be named like that (this time i install all on one partition with not swap)
2022-10-29 03:06:51	SponiX	Edu4rdSHL: even at current state 5/6 is not recommended
2022-10-29 03:07:03	Edu4rdSHL	The only recommended thing to do is some regular filesystem balance
2022-10-29 03:07:21	Edu4rdSHL	SponiX, yeah, that's why I said I'm still a bit afraid to test these raids:p
2022-10-29 03:07:26	Namarrgon	aod: you want some swap, partition or file doesn't matter.
2022-10-29 03:07:34	Namarrgon	aod: and swap is not a filesystem
2022-10-29 03:08:09	SponiX	Linux sponix 6.0.2-x64v1-xanmod1-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Mon, 17 Oct 2022 05:04:53 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2022-10-29 03:08:26	topcat001	I wanted raid1 in this case as a basic fault tolerance mechanism and play with btrfs checksums.
2022-10-29 03:08:52	SponiX	topcat001: So, I'm supposed to be having a btrfs issue on 6.0.2 ?
2022-10-29 03:08:59	youngrigor	there comes a time..
2022-10-29 03:09:01	aod	Namarrgon ok, i forgot that
2022-10-29 03:09:01	topcat001	then I can also use borg to back this up to an external drive
2022-10-29 03:09:22	aod	thanks
2022-10-29 03:09:49	SponiX	topcat001: I can't wait to add a few more 8TB drives to my current volume
2022-10-29 03:09:54	topcat001	SponiX: not necessarily. I *think* the issue is with older setups which have a v1 cache
2022-10-29 03:10:46	topcat001	I usually keep the server-like machines on linux-lts. Probably a superstition :)
2022-10-29 03:11:19	SponiX	topcat001: not a bad idea
2022-10-29 03:11:33	topcat001	Now that kernel 5.15 received the Alder Lake patches we can use it on 12 gen CPUs as well.
2022-10-29 03:11:36	SponiX	If I was doing ZFS it would be on an LTS kernel
2022-10-29 03:12:53	topcat001	speaking of which the newer-ish intels seem to have amazingly low idle power draw...
2022-10-29 03:13:10	topcat001	(all systems sampled are running Arch)
2022-10-29 03:16:08	aod	guys, if i have a folder proyect on two computers with different changes on they, how should merge them on a third one?
2022-10-29 03:17:58	aod	or just update them?
2022-10-29 03:18:10	throstur	aod: perhaps you can use source control for this, such as git
2022-10-29 03:19:14	aod	throstur what i want to avoid is to replace a good chage done
2022-10-29 03:21:59	aod	because there are changes from two computer on same project
2022-10-29 03:22:57	youngrigor	ridiculous
2022-10-29 03:23:22	aod	youngrigor omfg, that hurts
2022-10-29 03:25:35	aod	youngrigor help me them please
2022-10-29 03:26:01	topcat001	aod: this is offtopic, but are these text files?
2022-10-29 03:26:55	thrice	yeah, seems like he's trying to figure out an escape, but not much transportation out of there
2022-10-29 03:27:17	thrice	oops, wrong channel :>
2022-10-29 03:27:29	topcat001	teleport
2022-10-29 03:27:29	youngrigor	I don't want his pork chop...
2022-10-29 03:27:58	aod	topcat001 as usual .txt, .pdf, .jpg...
2022-10-29 03:27:59	topcat001	one can always escape through hyperspace :D
2022-10-29 03:28:43	topcat001	aod: well binary files are another matter, but git is very good at merging changes to text
2022-10-29 03:30:50	topcat001	with binary files you'll have to select one of the versions
2022-10-29 03:32:00	alad	topcat001: or just not running btrfs to start with
2022-10-29 03:32:12	alad	it's a running gag for idk, the last decade
2022-10-29 03:33:01	topcat001	with the exception of the one test machine, I'm on ext4 with backups.
2022-10-29 03:33:04	youngrigor	tl;dr didn't get it
2022-10-29 03:34:31	topcat001	I guess hardware bit corruption is not an issue, but it's fun to try something which has checksums.
2022-10-29 05:57:21	midnite	for those of you who use discord, what's a relatively more secure way to run that crapware on one's computer? I was thinking in a browser I don't usually use (maybe chromium), which itself runs in a jail?
2022-10-29 05:59:25	SponiX	midnite: you could do a flatpak of it
2022-10-29 05:59:33	jkc	It's Discord. It's already running in a browser.
2022-10-29 05:59:37	chowbok	You could just create your own chroot for it
2022-10-29 05:59:50	mpan	jkc: they want to run it separated from the rest of their environment, not merely in a browser.
2022-10-29 06:00:32	midnite	jkc: yeah, but if it runs on the desktop, it can see the titles of all my open windows, so it can basically record my browsing history, for example
2022-10-29 06:00:41	midnite	but yeah thanks I have heard of electron :^)
2022-10-29 06:01:45	chowbok	"if it runs on the desktop, it can see the titles of all my open windows" ← is that actually true?
2022-10-29 06:02:02	midnite	why don't you check for yourself?
2022-10-29 06:02:08	midnite	go into the settings > add a game that isn't listed
2022-10-29 06:02:29	midnite	choose one from the list. see how it has many of the programs you're running listed?
2022-10-29 06:02:37	midnite	I believe that setting is under 'activity status'
2022-10-29 06:02:45	midnite	this is how it works on Windows, anyway. 
2022-10-29 06:03:17	chowbok	Hmm
2022-10-29 06:03:18	midnite	macOS, as well, if I recall correctly
2022-10-29 06:03:43	midnite	discord is a privacy and security nightmare, yet the legions of unwashed masses continue to adore it
2022-10-29 06:03:43	chowbok	Well, anyway, if you run it in a chroot it won't be able to grab that
2022-10-29 06:04:39	Psi-Jack	or it you just use the webui. 😛
2022-10-29 06:04:54	midnite	^ yep, that is my plan. use it in chromium, which is firejail'ed
2022-10-29 06:05:13	Psi-Jack	Bleh firejail. I use rambox.
2022-10-29 06:05:25	⚡ 	midnite looks up rambox on the wiki...
2022-10-29 06:05:36	⚡ 	midnite doesn't find much
2022-10-29 06:05:46	Psi-Jack	Which wiki are you even talking about randomly?
2022-10-29 06:05:55	midnite	the Arch wiki...
2022-10-29 06:06:03	Psi-Jack	So, the useless one?
2022-10-29 06:06:25	chowbok	!wiki
2022-10-29 06:06:25	phrik	chowbok: Is that… Is that really a word?
2022-10-29 06:06:31	chowbok	!archwiki
2022-10-29 06:06:32	phrik	chowbok: The answer is 42.
2022-10-29 06:06:45	chowbok	Hmm
2022-10-29 06:06:50	midnite	hmm, someone in #archlinux roasting me for using the Arch Wiki. well this is new.
2022-10-29 06:06:53	gnana	21ls
2022-10-29 06:07:15	Psi-Jack	For randomly using the "wiki" for 3rd party software, instead of googling. 😛
2022-10-29 06:07:30	midnite	well sorry for checking the wiki first :P
2022-10-29 06:07:41	jkc	midnite: I dunno, I think you waltzing in here with tinfoil hat behavior and calling other people "the unwashed masses" kinda invites being roasted.
2022-10-29 06:07:52	Psi-Jack	Heh, it if were in the wiki, it'd be a high result in the google results. 😛
2022-10-29 06:08:00	Psi-Jack	jkc: Also true.
2022-10-29 06:08:31	midnite	who knows what all these data brokers and intelligence agencies do with all the data they collect? who knows, but surely their intentions are wholesome
2022-10-29 06:36:04	midnite	is anyone here familiar with firejail? I'm trying to figure out why 'sudo firecfg' is not actually setting up my applications (e.g. chromium) to run in a firejail. it seems to just... do... nothing. I managed to get firefox running in a jail, but I can't recall how I did that
2022-10-29 06:37:43	midnite	even when I do 'firejail chromium' it's not working properly; chromium can still see all the files in my ~
2022-10-29 06:39:53	midnite	perhaps I will just look into using AppArmor
2022-10-29 06:40:25	Psi-Jack	firejail is pure crap. AppArmor is not much better, but at least it's more useful if you can actually learn to make proper profiles for it.
2022-10-29 06:40:39	midnite	brb
2022-10-29 06:40:52	Psi-Jack	but, firejail... Putrid garbage. Waste of time and effort...
2022-10-29 06:43:25	midnite	Psi-Jack: why do you say that firejail is 'pure crap'?
2022-10-29 06:43:40	Psi-Jack	because it simply is. it's literally ineffective garbage.
2022-10-29 06:49:32	midnite	after a quick search, I found some posts saying it could actually help an attacker get root
2022-10-29 06:49:39	midnite	well, that's not good
2022-10-29 06:53:45	Psi-Jack	lol
2022-10-29 06:53:56	glitsj16	midnite: can chromium also _open_ all the files in your ~?
2022-10-29 06:57:18	glitsj16	midnite: for your firecfg issue... is this a recent observation? did it never work for you? your user needs to be in the /etc/firejail/firejail.users for it to work... did you check any of this? some more details could actually help if your still interested
2022-10-29 06:58:24	midnite	glitsj16: the file picker, when launched inside chromium, can see and read all of the files in my home, so yes, I'd say so
2022-10-29 06:59:15	midnite	glitsj16: I opted to remove firejail - apparmor has a much better showing here https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-16268/Apparmor.html than firejail
2022-10-29 06:59:19	phrik	Title: Apparmor : Security vulnerabilities (at www.cvedetails.com)
2022-10-29 06:59:24	glitsj16	midnite: that would be a bug allright
2022-10-29 07:00:02	glitsj16	midnite: no problem, if you don't trust it, don't use it
2022-10-29 07:02:49	Psi-Jack	I mean, as I mentioned, firejail is garbage. Trust is.. Simply not present, in garbage. 🙂
2022-10-29 07:02:53	jkc	midnite: That's not even a remotely valid way to compare two widgets.
2022-10-29 07:03:02	jkc	!shrug
2022-10-29 07:03:02	phrik	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-10-29 07:04:17	midnite	jkc: you clearly know much more than I do about this, so feel free to suggest an alternative way 
2022-10-29 07:05:21	glitsj16	Psi-Jack: i hear the same about arch on some channels, always nice to read slogans without any argumentation underneath
2022-10-29 07:06:02	midnite	^
2022-10-29 07:06:33	midnite	glitsj16: may I DM you?
2022-10-29 07:06:47	glitsj16	what is DM?
2022-10-29 07:06:49	midnite	PM
2022-10-29 07:06:56	glitsj16	sure
2022-10-29 07:07:41	glitsj16	there's also #firejail
2022-10-29 07:07:59	Psi-Jack	glitsj16: I always say, and still do to this day, Arch sucks, espcially for the common masses. 
2022-10-29 07:08:53	Psi-Jack	It has some good sides, but a lot of bad sides, at the same time, such as the constant updates that's bleeding edge. As a result of this, I use flatpak for things that matter for stability, where plausible.
2022-10-29 07:10:03	glitsj16	Psi-Jack: rolling release right, comes withe turf
2022-10-29 07:10:54	Psi-Jack	The funny thing is "rolling release" itself is a literal oxymoron.
2022-10-29 07:12:01	glitsj16	Psi-Jack: might be, i wasn't referring to the linguistics of the concept though
2022-10-29 07:12:48	Edu4rdSHL	> Says that $some_software is crap
2022-10-29 07:12:53	Edu4rdSHL	> Uses flatcrap
2022-10-29 07:12:55	Edu4rdSHL	xD
2022-10-29 07:13:00	glitsj16	heh
2022-10-29 07:13:12	Psi-Jack	flatpak prevents breakage in things like gimp that breaks because a glib update. 😛
2022-10-29 07:13:19	glitsj16	like any sandboxing tool probably
2022-10-29 07:13:21	Psi-Jack	Go finger.
2022-10-29 07:13:37	Edu4rdSHL	Yeah xD
2022-10-29 07:13:52	Edu4rdSHL	People contradicting themselves are funny.
2022-10-29 07:14:11	Psi-Jack	But, who's contradicting themselves? 🙂
2022-10-29 07:14:18	midnite	maybe one day, I'll experience the mythical 'arch breaking'. so far I haven't experienced it yet
2022-10-29 07:14:32	midnite	or 'arch breaking [package_name]'
2022-10-29 07:14:59	Edu4rdSHL	midnite, myths by people that doesn't know how to use and maintain it
2022-10-29 07:50:28	chowbok	midnite: I had a kernel update hang two of my desktops, both Lenovos
2022-10-29 07:51:21	chowbok	Something to do with the Thinkpad support
2022-10-29 08:35:54	brocellous	I've got pacman-contrib installed because I like checkupdates, but it comes with some awful vim ft/syntax for PKGBUILDS thats horribly broken and I can't figure out how to disable it.
2022-10-29 08:43:34	brocellous	OK actually I've just gone and NoExtract'd them. Not sure why overriding in after/ftplugin wasn't working.
2022-10-29 09:06:10	bblinky	recommendations for term emulators?
2022-10-29 09:07:03	bblinky	Using kitty rn which is nice for some of the kittens but it's also a bit buggy in some ways and sometimes
2022-10-29 09:08:06	gnana	try alacritty
2022-10-29 09:08:51	bblinky	I heard it's also buggy?
2022-10-29 09:09:20	bblinky	I think someone recommended wezterm if it should be gpu accelerated
2022-10-29 09:09:39	bblinky	But I'm not even sure that's an actual requirement of mine
2022-10-29 09:15:03	Ennea	bblinky, wezterm
2022-10-29 09:15:17	Ennea	i honestly don't even care that it's gpu accelerated
2022-10-29 09:15:21	Ennea	you can turn that off if you'd like, too
2022-10-29 09:15:29	Ennea	it's just a nice terminal emulator, gpu acceleration or not
2022-10-29 09:15:53	bblinky	Ennea: Oh, that is nice with the abilithy to turn it off :)
2022-10-29 09:17:36	bblinky	I will give it a more propper looking at 
2022-10-29 09:30:21	bblinky	Ennea: I can't really find any good examples on how to do the config on it tho...
2022-10-29 09:32:19	bblinky	I would f.eks. like to turn off the tabs function because I use a tiling WM and it looks bad and takes unecessary screen realestate compared
2022-10-29 09:32:41	glitsj16	https://wezfurlong.org/wezterm/config/files.html
2022-10-29 09:32:43	phrik	Title: Configuration - Wez's Terminal Emulator (at wezfurlong.org)
2022-10-29 09:33:11	bblinky	https://imgur.com/a/XoUpk0n
2022-10-29 09:33:11	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2022-10-29 09:33:30	bblinky	glitsj16: Oh, thanks.. Dunno how I didn't find that
2022-10-29 09:36:56	jb1277976_	What do you guys think about this https://is.gd/m4rxqQ for linux
2022-10-29 09:37:47	bblinky	jb1277976_: probably gonna soud like it's price range?
2022-10-29 09:37:52	bblinky	*sond
2022-10-29 09:37:56	bblinky	omg
2022-10-29 09:38:22	bblinky	sound <- :)
2022-10-29 09:44:03	bblinky	lol, going deep on the term topic :p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxM8QmyZXtg
2022-10-29 09:44:15	bblinky	*"deep"
2022-10-29 09:45:01	jb1277976_	bblinky: yea, gonna sound like crap, but it works right. just need to chat and stuff / conference calls
2022-10-29 09:46:50	bblinky	jb1277976_: I can't see why it wouldn't work, I think usb audio is pretty generic in that range of devices.. I might be misinformed tho? <- chan?
2022-10-29 09:47:34	jb1277976_	bblinky: This chan is dead usually right about now. going to bed also. Late!
2022-10-29 09:48:13	bblinky	True, most people here are from the state
2022-10-29 09:48:15	bblinky	s
2022-10-29 09:49:34	bblinky	jb1277976_: Depending on your economy at the moment I'd probably just buy it and try it out.. I think that's the only way to know for sure since people in here will have a pretty poor chance to know what kind of drivers the device wants to use
2022-10-29 09:49:53	bblinky	I think your country should also have 14 day return policy on retail products?
2022-10-29 09:52:27	bblinky	But to be honest, I think it's just gonna work
2022-10-29 09:53:28	bblinky	The only USB audio sinks I have ever had troubles with has been professional USB audio devices that comes from some very closed source manufactures that hasn't had drivers written for linux yet
2022-10-29 10:07:27	xID	Hello. I don't understand how to use local git repository for PKGBUILD as source. Help?
2022-10-29 10:07:29	xID	For example local path (of the source): ~/.git/clone/project
2022-10-29 10:08:46	astralc	file:// path?
2022-10-29 10:08:49	Namarrgon	source=("git+file:///home/and/stuff.git")
2022-10-29 10:09:43	xID	Namarrgon, thanks! I will try.
2022-10-29 10:28:59	xID	Using, but without submodules.. (need to initialization...) solution: COPY-PAST :)
2022-10-29 11:20:34	thetooth	I have just upgraded to kernel 6.0.5 from 5.19, for some reason the old kernel is booting from /boot/vmlinuz so I have no modules loaded
2022-10-29 11:21:09	thetooth	tried reinstalling the kernel but the kernel itself isn't being changed?
2022-10-29 11:21:55	rcf	thetooth: how is your bootloader configured 
2022-10-29 11:23:09	thetooth	grub 2 just using the grub-mkconfig tool
2022-10-29 11:23:36	thetooth	nothing custom, i just installed the previous kernel from cache and it boots fine as expected
2022-10-29 11:23:59	thetooth	would the mkinitcpio output be useful?
2022-10-29 11:24:08	thetooth	it looks rather normal
2022-10-29 11:29:05	thetooth	https://gist.github.com/thetooth/c834cd898a2c879cdfeab70bde3040f8
2022-10-29 11:29:31	thetooth	after reboot the output of uname -a is: Linux lappy 5.19.7-arch1-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Mon, 05 Sep 2022 18:09:09 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2022-10-29 11:30:24	gnana	tried reinstalling grub?
2022-10-29 11:30:35	thetooth	yes
2022-10-29 11:42:55	astralc	is you /boot seprated partition?
2022-10-29 11:43:24	astralc	also, do you mean /boot/vmlinuz-linux?
2022-10-29 12:01:35	thetooth	astralc: cheers, works as advertised now
2022-10-29 12:02:06	astralc	!next
2022-10-29 12:02:06	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-10-29 16:37:40	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-10-29 17:49:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-10-29 17:49:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-10-29 17:53:30	LambdaComplex	mdadm question: is there any benefit to using hot spares in a RAID-1 array?
2022-10-29 17:53:56	Psi-Jack	Well, yes.. Immediate take-over on failure.
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2022-10-29 17:57:50	LambdaComplex	and...what's the actual difference between that and just having that disk be active?
2022-10-29 17:58:14	LambdaComplex	i guess you'd avoid having the array get marked as "degraded"
2022-10-29 17:58:40	LambdaComplex	but you'd still have the same number of disks containing a copy of the data, wouldn't you?
2022-10-29 17:59:04	aminvakil	LambdaComplex: degraded speed
2022-10-29 17:59:25	aminvakil	ah, i misunderstood your question
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2022-10-29 18:46:59	savolla	hello all o/
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2022-10-29 19:00:42	Soni	bit of a cursed idea but: what happens if you LTO the whole distro into a single .so, and then split *that* back out but as dependencies? basically to deduplicate exact duplicates/reimplementations across libraries?
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2022-10-29 19:01:36	Soni	probably impractical but eh, yeah.
2022-10-29 19:01:44	tusko	that's where covid19 comes from
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2022-10-29 19:02:45	tusko	It just depends on your requirements. I've put stuff into space where we had to make it very compact, sharing everything we can between the system. You only got dedicated hardware/software if it was mission critical.
2022-10-29 19:03:10	tusko	I mean, even using extra bits in places
2022-10-29 19:03:19	tusko	Ever heard of a red/black tree?
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2022-10-29 19:04:02	Soni	*nod*
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2022-10-29 19:19:36	ℹ 	Mary_800 es conocido ahora como Mary_80
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2022-10-29 19:34:54	Frogging101	Does makepkg not pull the latest HEAD from a git source? It seems I have to delete the cloned repository in order for it to actually update it
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2022-10-29 19:37:26	MrElendig	depends on the PKGBUILD and flags used for makepkg
2022-10-29 19:37:29	artefact	what kind of git sources? -git aur packages, or $(asp export)ed packages?
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2022-10-29 19:41:26	tusko	I have an issue with an aur package actually. I can pull it down, but I can't build it. It needs a file to have one line changed, but everytime I run makepkg -si it overwrites the file with the repo.
2022-10-29 19:41:26	tusko	Anyone know how to bypass that?
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2022-10-29 19:42:02	demonicmaniac	man makepkg - look for /-e
2022-10-29 19:42:31	MrElendig	or make an actual patch and apply it
2022-10-29 19:43:19	tusko	Can I just comment something out of the PKGBUILD?
2022-10-29 19:43:58	MrElendig	why comment something out when you can add `patch` or `sed` and have the change done automaticly for you?
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2022-10-29 19:44:58	MrElendig	that way you will be able to remember what you did next monday when you have to rebuild it due to a .so name bump
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2022-10-29 19:45:45	damjan	"next monday" :D
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2022-10-29 19:46:22	MrElendig	private stuff always breaks on a monday
2022-10-29 19:46:41	MrElendig	work stuff always breaks friday at 14:30, the day before you start your holiday
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2022-10-29 19:48:28	damjan	sounds about right
2022-10-29 19:49:00	MrElendig	and then you have to cancel to go back in on monday to fix it
2022-10-29 19:49:13	MrElendig	only to find out that on monday, everything works fine
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2022-10-29 19:53:57	quantum_	Is anyone using SR-IOV with pooled interfaces, in KVM VMs?
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2022-10-30 17:10:51	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1419 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1417 normals)
2022-10-30 11:51:08	astralc	vardo: check the service user have access
2022-10-30 11:51:13	astralc	to the media
2022-10-30 11:51:23	MrElendig	and use full paths
2022-10-30 11:51:31	astralc	^
2022-10-30 11:52:16	MrElendig	~/Music is obviously not going to work when mpd is running as a different user
2022-10-30 11:52:43	⚡ 	MrElendig keeps his shared stuff out of $HOME
2022-10-30 11:52:53	vardo	OK sorry but the service user is what? Not the one that ran systemctl start?
2022-10-30 11:53:18	vardo	I typed systemctl start mpd as root
2022-10-30 11:53:38	HaMsTeRs	does anyone got any luck on setting up Pulse Secure GUI VPN client on Arch Linux (with i3) ?
2022-10-30 11:53:58	astralc	vardo: no, it is configured in the service file. by default mpd
2022-10-30 11:54:02	HaMsTeRs	I'm having a deep pain here, and I need this to work for work
2022-10-30 11:55:24	MrElendig	HaMsTeRs: sounds horrible
2022-10-30 11:55:32	MrElendig	HaMsTeRs: work forcing you to use it?
2022-10-30 11:55:45	astralc	HaMsTeRs: use networkmanager with the plugin
2022-10-30 11:56:00	vardo	astralc, should I create a /etc/systemd/system/mpd.service file? (I web searched about service files)
2022-10-30 11:56:08	MrElendig	supposedly they offer 24h support as part of their deal, so call their support
2022-10-30 11:56:11	MrElendig	HaMsTeRs: ^
2022-10-30 11:56:35	astralc	vardo: no, there is service file in /usr....
2022-10-30 11:56:51	vardo	astralc, ... ok ...
2022-10-30 11:57:14	MrElendig	/usr/lib/systemd/system/mpd.service is owned by mpd 0.23.10-2
2022-10-30 11:57:51	astralc	networkmanager-openconnect
2022-10-30 11:58:05	vardo	Thanks
2022-10-30 11:58:08	susi	to view the contents of a service file, `systemctl cat name_of_unit' may be used
2022-10-30 11:58:12	astralc	also there is override with User=mpd in the package
2022-10-30 11:58:38	vardo	susi nice, thanks
2022-10-30 11:59:36	HaMsTeRs	astralc: thanks.  how Pulse Secure server also include Host Checker.   SEem NetworkManager plugin doesn't work
2022-10-30 12:00:26	vardo	astralc: I can't find any reference to a user name in mpd.conf, is there really one by default?
2022-10-30 12:01:08	astralc	yes, you can also start the service and check
2022-10-30 12:01:16	MrElendig	vardo: bat /usr/lib/systemd/system/mpd.service.d/00-arch.conf
2022-10-30 12:01:46	MrElendig	vardo: or systemctl cat mpd
2022-10-30 12:02:07	vardo	https://pastebin.com/n157WfNy
2022-10-30 12:02:08	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oYSu.9wnTZ1EQ
2022-10-30 12:02:08	phrik	Title: mpd.conf - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-10-30 12:02:48	vardo	MrElendig, ah this is not mpd.conf ok
2022-10-30 12:03:33	vardo	MrElendig, systemctl cat mpd returns the file I just pasted
2022-10-30 12:03:46	astralc	you pasted only part of the output
2022-10-30 12:04:13	MrElendig	systemctl cat will include any .conf overrid files
2022-10-30 12:04:32	astralc	it is scrollable
2022-10-30 12:04:59	vardo	astralc: oh shit you're right, I misread the bottom line "lines 1-23" I thought it meant this is all, ok sorry, reading the entire file then
2022-10-30 12:06:33	vardo	MrElendig, yes, sorry
2022-10-30 12:07:16	vardo	OK so User=mpd, and I'm supposed to make music files readable by mpd or is it something else you were asking?
2022-10-30 12:07:50	MrElendig	correct
2022-10-30 12:07:56	vardo	OK thanks
2022-10-30 12:08:10	MrElendig	(or you can change the user mpd runs as)
2022-10-30 12:09:11	vardo	Right, maybe it makes more sense to do that since all music files are owned by the same user
2022-10-30 12:09:28	astralc	MrElendig: are /etc/ overrides the /usr/ overrides?
2022-10-30 12:10:00	MrElendig	yes
2022-10-30 12:10:30	vardo	ob for mpd.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
2022-10-30 12:10:30	vardo	See "systemctl status mpd.service" and "journalctl -xeu mpd.service" for details
2022-10-30 12:10:34	vardo	job
2022-10-30 12:10:52	vardo	I tried to start mpd service again
2022-10-30 12:11:57	vardo	exception: failed to open log file "/home/vardo/.mpd/log" (config line 38): No 
2022-10-30 12:12:19	vardo	I will create the directory then
2022-10-30 12:12:21	MrElendig	fix your config
2022-10-30 12:12:32	MrElendig	don't put the logs in your users $HOME
2022-10-30 12:12:47	vardo	MrElendig, where then?
2022-10-30 12:14:30	MrElendig	mpd user home directory, in /var or wherever you like
2022-10-30 12:14:58	vardo	MrElendig, but I changed mpd service user to vardo so wouldn't that make more sense to put the log in vardo user home?
2022-10-30 12:14:59	MrElendig	or just don't specify log_file at all
2022-10-30 12:15:11	fweht	does anyone use the cage window manager?  would it make sense to use cage with chromium to get a chromeos like experience?  i just want one full screen browser window to work with but as far as i understand with cage i cant open a second window?
2022-10-30 12:15:13	MrElendig	then it will write to stdout and journald will grab it
2022-10-30 12:15:30	vardo	MrElendig, ok will comment the log directory
2022-10-30 12:15:37	MrElendig	well then its fine, except the not using xdg bit
2022-10-30 12:16:16	vardo	MrElendig, what do you mean? I thought I was suppose to write complete paths?
2022-10-30 12:21:22	vardo	OK now the socket is already in use
2022-10-30 12:23:44	astralc	did you stopped one that you started manualy?
2022-10-30 12:24:06	MrElendig	astralc: what os is the host?
2022-10-30 12:24:41	vardo	netstat |grep 6600 return nothing
2022-10-30 12:24:51	vardo	astralc: yes
2022-10-30 12:25:04	MrElendig	pgrep mpd
2022-10-30 12:25:06	vardo	astralc: I also stopped mpd.socket
2022-10-30 12:25:30	vardo	MrElendig, ok apparently it's still on
2022-10-30 12:25:50	vardo	pkill mpd
2022-10-30 12:28:51	vardo	OK so now systemctl start mpd return no error, mpc update returns no error, but mpc next returns "MPD error: not playing"
2022-10-30 12:29:08	vardo	mpc ls returns the list of files correctly
2022-10-30 12:30:28	MrElendig	mpc play
2022-10-30 12:31:06	MrElendig	or use ncmpcc if you want something more user friencly
2022-10-30 12:31:08	MrElendig	friendly*
2022-10-30 12:31:17	MrElendig	ncmpcpp*
2022-10-30 12:35:52	vardo	I tried "mpc play"
2022-10-30 12:36:41	vardo	ncmpcpp ok
2022-10-30 12:37:15	susi	the biggest challenge with ncmpcpp is typing its name
2022-10-30 12:37:22	vardo	lol
2022-10-30 12:37:38	vardo	MrElendig, mpc ls returns the list of files, but ncmpcpp does not
2022-10-30 12:38:06	vardo	susi It's easy if you split it in 'cmp' as is compare, and 'cpp' as in C++
2022-10-30 12:38:13	astralc	are you in the correct view of ncmpcpp?
2022-10-30 12:38:34	astralc	ncmpcppcppcppppc
2022-10-30 12:38:38	vardo	astralc, probably not since I don't know the answer to that question
2022-10-30 12:38:49	astralc	you shoud be in "library"
2022-10-30 12:38:49	MrElendig	vardo: press tab
2022-10-30 12:39:59	vardo	MrElendig, thanks, so I pressed return on the file, and it says it is paused on the bottom line
2022-10-30 12:40:11	vardo	MrElendig, shouldn't it play the file?
2022-10-30 12:41:54	vardo	I'm not sure I needed more user friendly than mpc. The error returned 'mpd not playing' seems unrelated to the use interface
2022-10-30 12:42:05	vardo	user interface
2022-10-30 12:42:35	vardo	MrElendig, also, when you said all mp
2022-10-30 12:43:03	astralc	this is why I said moc is easier
2022-10-30 12:43:11	vardo	MrElendig, also, when you said all mp3 players can be run as root, as I mentionned earlier, I cannot run most of them as root, they won't allow it. VLC, moc, mpg123 all return an error when I try to do so
2022-10-30 12:44:34	vardo	astralc, moc doesn't run as root and won't play sound when I switch back to root's virtual terminal, so I thought the server daemon could be a good idea here
2022-10-30 12:45:01	astralc	why are you running _logged_ as root?
2022-10-30 12:45:41	vardo	astralc, wait, you mean like running moc as a user, then log into root from the same console?
2022-10-30 12:45:53	astralc	su -?
2022-10-30 12:46:04	astralc	or sudo?
2022-10-30 12:46:11	vardo	yeah, whatever, but you mean from the same VC?
2022-10-30 12:46:20	vardo	Instead of switching?
2022-10-30 12:46:24	astralc	yes
2022-10-30 12:46:26	vardo	Ah
2022-10-30 12:46:36	vardo	I didn't try this at all, ok will do now
2022-10-30 12:46:55	astralc	"su -" or "sudo -i" (if sudo is configured)
2022-10-30 12:47:04	vardo	I'm used to keep users on different virtual terminals
2022-10-30 12:47:12	astralc	!man su
2022-10-30 12:47:13	phrik	astralc: https://man.archlinux.org/man/su#
2022-10-30 12:47:39	vardo	Yes I can use su but I usually have the need for a permanent session for both users
2022-10-30 12:48:23	susi	I never need a permanent root session, usually not even a short temporary, and if so, I use `sudo -i'
2022-10-30 12:48:53	susi	(if just sudo-ing the command isn't enough, but there's need for something more)
2022-10-30 12:49:31	vardo	PERFECT
2022-10-30 12:49:42	susi	would not want to keep a root session open all times, sounds scary :o
2022-10-30 12:50:04	astralc	susi: same, mostly move to root shell if I follow tutorial or need some comlex pipe thing
2022-10-30 12:50:21	vardo	astralc: that did the trick, I used the non root user to launch mpg123, then su'ed to get my root access back and it kept the sound on
2022-10-30 12:50:27	artefact	i use $(sudo -s) when i want to do stuff in /root or /boot (which are not world-readable on my system)
2022-10-30 12:50:59	vardo	astralc: although I did it from two different VTs, because mpg123 & would not detach
2022-10-30 12:51:45	vardo	astralc: i.e. I logged in non root on tty3, run mpg123, switched to tty4, logged as non root, then su to root
2022-10-30 12:51:59	snappy	on framework 12th gen laptop; i try to boot archiso and the screen flickers, there's a mention on the framework wiki that says to add i915.enable_psr=0 to the boot options and it should fix the issue; i did this once and it worked, but subsequent times i've tried it doesn't and the screen keeps flickering, i'm not sure what i can do
2022-10-30 12:52:08	vardo	astralc: why does that work though?
2022-10-30 12:52:32	astralc	because you shell is sh
2022-10-30 12:52:37	astralc	*still up
2022-10-30 12:52:49	vardo	astralc: why switching to a VT that was originally logged as root doesn't do the same as using su to be root?
2022-10-30 12:53:17	vardo	I understand the shell is still running, but it is not sufficient to keep the sound on when switching to a root tty
2022-10-30 12:53:24	astralc	user is still log in in the VT
2022-10-30 12:53:31	astralc	su doesn't log out
2022-10-30 12:53:53	vardo	But if I switch to a root tty, it is not logged out too
2022-10-30 12:54:26	astralc	in the VT you now on?
2022-10-30 12:55:03	vardo	Let me make myself more clear: if I log in a tty as a non root and run mpg123 to play a file, it works as long as I am in a tty logged as this non root user
2022-10-30 12:55:22	vardo	If I switch to a tty that is logged as root, sound stops
2022-10-30 12:55:48	vardo	But if I 'su' to root in a tty that was logged with the user that ran mpg123, sounds keep playing
2022-10-30 12:56:23	artefact	are you in the audio group? could be a udev uaccess rule
2022-10-30 12:56:53	vardo	artefact, I didn't check that when I was trying to run mpd. I will check it now.
2022-10-30 12:58:44	vardo	fgrep -ie 'audio' /etc/group returns: audio❌996:brltty,mpd
2022-10-30 12:59:03	vardo	(running hexchat on gnome on x)
2022-10-30 12:59:20	vardo	(and the music keeps playing under gnome too, btw)
2022-10-30 13:06:57	vardo	What is fundamentally different between logging and using su to switch user, so that some things (like bash options) change when using su, and others do not (like sound)?
2022-10-30 13:07:52	vardo	I mean, I get root ls colors scheme after su
2022-10-30 13:08:19	vardo	and I can do everything root can do
2022-10-30 13:09:06	vardo	Is the VT 'owned' by the user that logged in in the first place?
2022-10-30 13:10:17	astralc	it related to logind? not familiar enough for login process. also 'su' is not full login for the system
2022-10-30 13:12:27	vardo	astralc: is there more security risk to remain root after 'su' than after logging as root?
2022-10-30 13:12:46	astralc	it security risk in both cases, as it is root!
2022-10-30 13:12:57	astralc	root can do anything
2022-10-30 13:13:30	vardo	astralc: I probably not look at security from the right angle, but I meant from a non root to access root things
2022-10-30 13:13:42	astralc	in the su case, exiting from root return you to the user
2022-10-30 13:14:06	vardo	But can the user gains access to root?
2022-10-30 13:14:35	vardo	I mean, if in a certain tty I am logged as PATRICK, then su to root, does that change anything to other ttys logged as PATRICK?
2022-10-30 13:15:53	thrice	no
2022-10-30 13:19:07	vardo	OK apparently I have not used users the right way in linux. I want to keep certain parts of my system forbidden to the normal user. So I used the root account to own those files, etc.
2022-10-30 13:19:34	vardo	But apparently I should not be use 'root' in such a frivolous manner so to speak
2022-10-30 13:20:03	vardo	So I assume I should rather create another user, with special permissions, instead of root, right?
2022-10-30 13:21:29	astralc	what is you security model? also what wrong with sudo in you case?
2022-10-30 13:23:08	vardo	astralc, I don't know if I have a model other than what I said. I just don't want the 'normal user', the one having access to normal applications to be able to access confidential documents
2022-10-30 13:24:32	vardo	astralc, and sudo would be too tedious, as I do entire software developments logged as root (but I should not be root, thus me saying I should create another user if I understand what's right)
2022-10-30 13:25:18	vardo	Or is there a better way to isolate a session from the rest of the activity on the computer?
2022-10-30 13:26:01	vardo	(root seemed a good choice as it can access everything, but the other users cannot)
2022-10-30 13:26:06	astralc	you shouldn't be root for development
2022-10-30 13:26:13	vardo	Yeah I know
2022-10-30 13:26:18	astralc	root is the worst choice
2022-10-30 13:26:56	vardo	But it's quite convenient
2022-10-30 13:27:03	astralc	you can run specific command with sudo if you need
2022-10-30 13:27:19	astralc	also it is wrong, most unsecure thing you can do
2022-10-30 13:27:53	vardo	OK, so I need to create a different user
2022-10-30 13:28:13	vardo	and make it own/access the confidential files
2022-10-30 13:28:31	gloomy_	Hi :-) Is there some way to keep statistics of how much network has been used per-process? 
2022-10-30 13:29:19	gloomy_	(system monitors usually show instantaneous usage, I'd like to have overall statistics for past processes as well)
2022-10-30 13:29:27	vardo	I do bare metal development (not on this station) and to me working as root only meant I kept full control of the machine at all times
2022-10-30 13:30:11	vardo	like being unencumbered
2022-10-30 13:30:32	Warepire	vardo: As someone else who does bare metal development on Arch, udev rules and properly configured groups + group memberships will take care of everything
2022-10-30 13:30:58	vardo	Warepire: how can you do bare metal on arch?
2022-10-30 13:31:11	vardo	Warepire: by bare metal I meant systems without a default OS
2022-10-30 13:31:32	Warepire	Ah, I do bare metal development of Arm boards, so I have the hardware external to the computer
2022-10-30 13:32:18	vardo	Warepire: Ah I see, so you don't develop from the arm boards themselves
2022-10-30 13:32:41	Warepire	No, I do all development on the PC, and load the Arm boards using the tools needed (depends on board vendor)
2022-10-30 13:33:01	vardo	Warepire: like using a cable to upload your firmware or something ok
2022-10-30 13:33:05	Warepire	But I use a lot of USB, serial, network interfaces, Jtag, and that stuff
2022-10-30 13:33:15	vardo	Warepire, yeah embedded development
2022-10-30 13:36:06	vardo	Warepire, let me rephrase it a different way then: back in PC early days, MSDOS did so little, that you actually had full control of RAM and stuff without even having to boot on your own code
2022-10-30 13:37:00	vardo	Warepire, I just want to have this kind of access to my machine, while still running a user with convenient stuff like GUI etc.
2022-10-30 13:37:45	vardo	Warepire, of course this is not a complete takeover since there is a need to share resources with said user, but root seemed like the best option
2022-10-30 13:38:45	Warepire	Back in the MSDOS days computers were a lot less complicated, and had much less security features.
2022-10-30 13:40:27	vardo	Warepire, from a hardware point of view it did not change that much, or are you talking about the OS?
2022-10-30 13:40:50	vardo	Warepire, protected mode started with 286 if I remember correctly
2022-10-30 13:41:50	vardo	Warepire, I mean, 'root' seemed like 'god mode' to me
2022-10-30 13:42:49	astralc	so, can god kill himself?
2022-10-30 13:43:10	vardo	astralc, jesus needed romans, but I'm not sure that's what your question was about
2022-10-30 13:43:11	Warepire	Nah, I mean CPUs have firmwares now, speculative execution, and so on, and how people found ways to abuse this. That type of complicated. Putting stronger requirements on operating systems and other software to do the right thing under unexpected situations.
2022-10-30 13:43:55	vardo	Warepire, right, this is why I use air gap computers too
2022-10-30 13:44:04	astralc	root god mode - root can self destruct the system. god is dead. Nietzsche is right
2022-10-30 13:45:40	vardo	astralc: but if the user is a sudoer what does that change?
2022-10-30 13:45:54	vardo	astralc: the risk is the same no?
2022-10-30 13:46:42	astralc	no, you need to input you password, also you can only put certain commands configured to sudo
2022-10-30 13:47:01	vardo	astralc: OK, I didn't know sudo was limited
2022-10-30 13:48:39	astralc	with root every wrong command, program (malicious or not), connection.. will have unguarded access to everything
2022-10-30 13:49:22	vardo	astralc: but usually when I'm using root user, I only use gcc and my own code
2022-10-30 13:49:52	astralc	and editor, and gui, and...
2022-10-30 13:50:02	vardo	astralc: no never a gui
2022-10-30 13:50:15	vardo	astralc: but editor yes, good point
2022-10-30 13:50:39	vardo	astralc: yet I assumed nano was not a security risk
2022-10-30 13:50:45	astralc	if you only need to run the exec you create, don't log as root
2022-10-30 13:51:08	astralc	sudo or su -c instead
2022-10-30 13:52:16	astralc	*only need root to
2022-10-30 13:53:25	vardo	astralc: just so I know, when people develop drivers or stuff like that for linux, they are not logged as root either?
2022-10-30 13:54:03	Warepire	vardo: Nope, I normally test them on qemu if I can, never on a live system (imagine if a bug crashes your workstation...).
2022-10-30 13:54:09	Strykar	nope, you need root for very few specific things, like loading a kernel driver, not developing it
2022-10-30 13:54:36	Strykar	use sudo if you need to, never even login as root
2022-10-30 13:56:15	vardo	OK, so root is not really a superuser, it's more like a tool for special and ponctuate needs
2022-10-30 13:58:39	vardo	ad hoc, not 'ponctuate'
2022-10-30 13:58:59	vardo	Thank you all, will migrate all my stuff to a new uer then
2022-10-30 14:19:30	cyphertite	vardo:  not following your logic, at all:  what do you mean by:  `OK, so root is not really a superuser`?  Do you understand what the contraction of 'sudo' stands for/implies?  'su' has always been a "thing" for very important reasons 
2022-10-30 15:14:32	aod	Hi how do i know if chromiun is using gtk?
2022-10-30 15:15:01	aod	or what is using?
2022-10-30 15:15:07	aod	to display
2022-10-30 15:15:54	anotherNightmare	Depends On      : gtk3
2022-10-30 15:16:45	aod	anotherNightmare thanks
2022-10-30 15:16:46	susi	pacman -Qi $pkgname | grep Depends
2022-10-30 15:17:01	susi	(or -Si, if not installed)
2022-10-30 15:17:21	aod	susi i dint think that would be there
2022-10-30 15:17:33	aod	susi thanks
2022-10-30 15:21:44	aod	gtk is so ugly
2022-10-30 15:22:11	susi	nope, qt's so ug/ly
2022-10-30 15:22:25	gaku	$thing_i_dont_like is so ugly
2022-10-30 15:22:49	gaku	lets make yet another library for gui crap
2022-10-30 16:41:00	susi	wish Arch was nix-like but configured via XML/XSLT
2022-10-30 16:41:10	susi	wouldn't that be neat
2022-10-30 16:42:13	sharpjs	Edit declarative file, get updated system.
2022-10-30 16:43:11	sharpjs	YAML even
2022-10-30 16:57:23	aod	Hi
2022-10-30 16:57:57	aod	i can't get output from `pacman -S linux` to a file
2022-10-30 16:58:08	aod	help me please and thanks
2022-10-30 16:58:11	aod	i
2022-10-30 16:58:16	Namarrgon	what have you tried?
2022-10-30 16:58:32	Namarrgon	and why do you need that output in a file?
2022-10-30 16:58:34	aod	i did try | less > o.out
2022-10-30 16:58:41	aod	omg
2022-10-30 16:58:44	aod	omg
2022-10-30 16:58:49	Namarrgon	which shell are you using?
2022-10-30 16:59:08	aod	i do have like more that 100 file i need to delete
2022-10-30 16:59:16	aod	bash
2022-10-30 16:59:48	aod	i just did same with others packages just right now and works ok
2022-10-30 17:00:01	aod	but linux is not giving nothing
2022-10-30 17:00:23	Namarrgon	you probably want to still output to the terminal with something like 'tee', so that you can still answer the prompts
2022-10-30 17:00:27	aod	i just did same with mkinitcpio and did work
2022-10-30 17:00:29	ChrisWarrick	piping less output to a text file doesn’t usually work well
2022-10-30 17:01:44	BrainDamage	this smells quite a bit of xy problem
2022-10-30 17:02:04	aod	Namarrgon omg so many thanks
2022-10-30 17:02:09	aod	tee works
2022-10-30 17:02:12	Namarrgon	https://wiki.bash-hackers.org/howto/redirection_tutorial#duplicating_file_descriptor_2_1
2022-10-30 17:02:18	phrik	Title: Illustrated Redirection Tutorial [Bash Hackers Wiki] (at wiki.bash-hackers.org)
2022-10-30 17:02:58	Scimmia	I'm guessing it's an 'exists in filesystem' problem?
2022-10-30 17:03:05	quantum_	Anyone have experience sr-iov pooling for KVM VMs?
2022-10-30 17:05:08	aod	Namarrgon thanks for the link too
2022-10-30 17:10:51	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-10-30 17:18:18	sensille	sigh. a recent update seems to have brought back unwanted font smoothing for me. in thunderbird and chrome
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2022-10-30 17:41:44	quantum_	So nobody's using sr-iov pooling.  That tells me it's busted, which is my experience.
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2022-10-30 17:55:44	Namarrgon	just because nobody answered you doesn't mean it's busted, what kind of logic is that?
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2022-10-30 18:04:55	glats	hi. i'm having trouble to connect to aur. http://okturing.com/src/14413/body with archlinux.org works fine. i wonder if i'm blocked by the site or something. can i report it?
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2022-10-30 18:06:03	Namarrgon	did you accidently spam the aur with any kind of request?
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2022-10-30 18:08:06	glats	Namarrgon: yeah. i was clone this https://github.com/daniruiz/flat-remix-gnome that for tome reason had a submodule pointing to aur :S
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2022-10-30 18:57:06	glats	how can i proceed?
2022-10-30 18:57:46	Namarrgon	glats: sorry, forgot about you... see if an admin in -devops can remove you from the blacklist
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2022-10-30 19:08:33	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1418 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1416 normals)
2022-10-30 19:08:35	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-10-30 19:17:31	glats	all done! they helped me
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2022-10-30 19:50:38	mazor	quick question. I created a vm with arch and on login I see last login xxxx and then it logs me out. Any common issue I am encountering? I am using BTRFS. could that be the issue?
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2022-10-30 19:51:34	Namarrgon	there was an issue with readline where it breaks on systems with invalid locales, i don't know if that was already fixed
2022-10-30 19:51:34	Scimmia	What shell?
2022-10-30 19:51:57	mazor	Should just be bash I didnt change anything. I chrooted and installed zsh just incase that was the default
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2022-10-30 19:52:15	mazor	I can go double check i did my locale properly
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2022-10-30 19:55:41	MrElendig	locale;locale -a
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2022-10-30 19:58:55	LambdaComplex	time to remove three (3) HDDs from my RAID mirror, since I have added two (2) SSDs to it and would like to finally experience the performance benefits of SSDs
2022-10-30 19:59:03	LambdaComplex	(yes, i let the RAID finish rebuilding once I added the SSDs)
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2022-10-30 19:59:14	mazor	pacman -Ss wgetpaste
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2022-10-30 19:59:25	mazor	oops
2022-10-30 19:59:32	thrice	!ix
2022-10-30 19:59:32	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-10-30 19:59:45	LambdaComplex	mazor: community/wgetpaste 2.32-1
2022-10-30 19:59:50	LambdaComplex	mazor: A script that automates pasting to a number of pastebin services
2022-10-30 20:00:01	mazor	Lol yeah didnt mean to type here my bad
2022-10-30 20:00:06	LambdaComplex	we know :)
2022-10-30 20:00:14	throstur	welcome to #archlinux :D
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2022-10-30 20:03:48	mazor	https://dpaste.com/2KZZ4D9M9 assuming it should be LANG=en_US.ETF-8
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2022-10-30 20:04:30	Namarrgon	what happened to LC_MESSAGES?
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2022-10-30 20:07:34	mazor	no idea but i am an idiot forgot to generate locale
2022-10-30 20:07:39	mazor	thanks for the help
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2022-10-30 20:10:39	mazor	ccccccrijvfbjfcktfettrtkvtljfiluuvbglltjluuu
2022-10-30 20:11:27	MrElendig	mazor: you just ordered 1000 litres of milk
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2022-10-30 20:12:08	mazor	happens everytime i pull that thing out
2022-10-30 20:12:37	LambdaComplex	update: everything worked fine
2022-10-30 20:14:00	MrElendig	mazor: if you are using it for fido2, just disable the yb totp function
2022-10-30 20:14:18	MrElendig	or just tie a piece of string to it
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2022-10-30 20:18:26	astralc	it is the hardware password typing? now we know 😈
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2022-10-30 20:18:50	MrElendig	astralc: pretty obvious that its a yubikey token
2022-10-30 20:18:59	MrElendig	if you have ever used one
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2022-10-30 20:19:28	astralc	I don't have yubikey. yet
2022-10-30 20:19:47	astralc	want to get one because to many services require 2fa
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2022-10-30 20:24:24	jkc	Not enough services require 2FA. They all should.
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2022-10-30 20:28:02	astralc	problem it is between shitty implementation (or closed source app only), and no recovery option for many of them
2022-10-30 20:28:19	MrElendig	astralc: don't get one, get two
2022-10-30 20:28:41	MrElendig	astralc: one to use daily, the other as a backup, since some sites only allow another fido2 device as the backup
2022-10-30 20:28:44	astralc	MrElendig: I will. should I get one normal size and one mini size?
2022-10-30 20:28:58	MrElendig	I would get two standard ones
2022-10-30 20:29:06	MrElendig	the blue if you only need fido2/webauth
2022-10-30 20:29:22	MrElendig	there are usually a black friday deal on a twopack
2022-10-30 20:29:38	jkc	astralc: The most common form is time-based OTPs, which is standardized under an RFC.
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2022-10-30 20:31:15	astralc	jkc: yes, I have otp app on my phone, but it is annoying to rely on the phone to login. I don't like to have the phone all the time
2022-10-30 20:31:19	MrElendig	astralc: 5(c) if you want smartcard/totp/hmac/etc
2022-10-30 20:31:39	MrElendig	astralc: or the new nitrokey when the dust settles a bit
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2022-10-30 20:32:42	MrElendig	astralc: nfc and/or btle can be handy if you have a phone
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2022-10-30 20:32:56	MrElendig	support is a bit iffy though
2022-10-30 20:33:55	astralc	for nitrokey?
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2022-10-30 20:34:24	MrElendig	no, nfc/bluetooth security key support in general
2022-10-30 20:34:38	MrElendig	that said, it has improved quite a bit over the past year
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2022-10-30 20:37:22	MrElendig	finally works with gh on mobile now, which is all that really matters :p
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2022-10-30 20:39:09	jkc	astralc: Okay, so you're going to be reliant on a key instead of a phone. Quit bitching.
2022-10-30 20:39:28	thrice	hm, gnome-console is neat
2022-10-30 20:39:35	astralc	jkc: i can rely on more than one key in the same time!
2022-10-30 20:39:39	thrice	may be GoodEnough for me
2022-10-30 20:39:54	MrElendig	thrice: has some issues, but the colour hinting based on ssh/user is really nice
2022-10-30 20:40:19	MrElendig	for what is basically a beta its quite good
2022-10-30 20:40:24	thrice	Yeah, I see some odd rendering issues
2022-10-30 20:40:38	MrElendig	themeing it is a bit of a pain
2022-10-30 20:43:27	MrElendig	mouse select/pasting was broken until recently but that was fixed in vte4 70.1
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2022-10-30 20:43:43	MrElendig	0.70.1
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2022-10-30 20:44:36	thrice	I'm using the triple buffer patch, so some of my rendering issues might be that.  But it'll lose the titlebar occassionally during half-screen / full-screen
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2022-10-30 20:44:52	MrElendig	not experienced that
2022-10-30 20:45:03	MrElendig	(on wayland)
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2022-10-30 20:47:05	thrice	also true, it's probably an x11 thing
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2022-10-30 20:48:44	MrElendig	test it on wayland
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2022-10-30 20:51:37	thrice	the last time I tried chromium + wayland, it wasn't great
2022-10-30 20:52:01	MrElendig	brave seems to work fine
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2022-10-31 18:01:27	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-10-31 03:21:08	aod	i just broke everything on my system
2022-10-31 03:21:35	aod	http://0x0.st/oY9m.out
2022-10-31 03:21:40	aod	same output
2022-10-31 03:21:56	aod	after `pacman -Syyu`
2022-10-31 03:22:36	keir	aod: your paste didn't feature any errors
2022-10-31 03:23:48	topcat001	one of those days when trying to latex my math paper on arch (usually use my work ubuntu server) I discover that gv does not work because arch ghostscript build is missing the x11 drivers
2022-10-31 03:24:30	aod	keir omg, you are rightm.out
2022-10-31 03:24:37	aod	i dint notice
2022-10-31 03:24:56	topcat001	workaround was to use zathura, but then I built gs from source correctly and now gv works. Pursuing it here: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/76316
2022-10-31 03:24:57	phrik	Title: FS#76316 : [ghostscript] Please enable the x11 driver (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-10-31 03:25:12	aod	only i hate of this console is the horryble type of font
2022-10-31 03:25:43	jmariondev	You can customize it
2022-10-31 03:25:45	keir	aod: i think you can change that. the default font is called Terminus
2022-10-31 03:25:46	jmariondev	Especially on high DPI screens it's unreadable
2022-10-31 03:26:07	⚡ 	keir finds it ok on HiDPI
2022-10-31 03:26:52	jmariondev	only the hidpi default is Terminus, the small font is some real old thing I think originated from IBM
2022-10-31 03:26:58	keir	aod: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Linux_console#Fonts
2022-10-31 03:26:59	phrik	Title: Linux console - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-31 03:27:24	jmariondev	When it uses the small font on hidpi it's bad, I think recent kernels try to detect when the only thing connected is a big screen and automatically switch to nicer Terminus
2022-10-31 03:27:34	topcat001	yeah console is fine on hidpi for me too
2022-10-31 03:28:12	jmariondev	As long as you only have hidpi monitors connected it's OK, but if you have a "normal" screen it doesn't automatically bump it up
2022-10-31 03:28:25	topcat001	ah right that might be true
2022-10-31 03:28:39	aod	http://0x0.st/oY9l.out
2022-10-31 03:28:40	topcat001	I'm using Arch on my Surface Pro :)
2022-10-31 03:29:37	aod	stupyd less, tee, 2& and redirect stuff
2022-10-31 03:30:33	aod	keir chek the new link
2022-10-31 03:31:39	aod	keir i did check Linux_console#Fonts, is so fun that are hundreds and looks same all
2022-10-31 03:31:58	topcat001	I will be attaching my newly acquired VT420 green terminal to my laptop. Let's see how the console looks then :)
2022-10-31 03:32:12	keir	topcat001: oooooo!
2022-10-31 03:32:37	topcat001	keir: very excited about it :)
2022-10-31 03:33:36	topcat001	I hear that tmux has some issues on an actual VT420 and people are using screen, so I'll be fixing that ASAP.
2022-10-31 03:34:52	aod	keir bye man
2022-10-31 03:34:57	aod	thanks for helps
2022-10-31 03:36:37	keir	topcat001: wish i could play around with stuff like that
2022-10-31 03:36:41	keir	where did you get it?
2022-10-31 03:38:30	topcat001	if you look on ebay they show up from time to time for reasonable prices. I'm into retro stuff.
2022-10-31 03:39:03	topcat001	this one was being sold by a local Canadian company.
2022-10-31 03:45:14	keir	interesting, thanks!
2022-10-31 04:27:03	Ken123	Pushes the degaussing button :D
2022-10-31 04:32:07	⚡ 	Strykar recalls having to call a tech to degauss old IBM CRTs
2022-10-31 05:16:42	snappy	topcat001: with archiso it happens on and off, the i915.enable_psr=0 works sometimes, but if i add nomodeset it always works
2022-10-31 05:28:21	jmariondev	oh are you getting the flickering on the framework?
2022-10-31 05:28:49	jmariondev	i thought that got fixed, hmm. PSR is good to have if you can get it working. big battery savings on the framework hardware
2022-10-31 06:10:59	alschaapman	Does anyone know of any resources I can read about using ostree in Arch? I'm finding... seriously nothing doing a little light web searching
2022-10-31 06:11:28	alschaapman	Excepting a GitHub repo that hasn't been updated in a year claiming that it will eventually have a proof of concept for using ostree with pacman and contains only a readme
2022-10-31 06:11:44	alschaapman	Oh, and this: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/OSTree/UsingOnArch
2022-10-31 06:11:46	phrik	Title: Projects/OSTree/UsingOnArch - GNOME Wiki! (at wiki.gnome.org)
2022-10-31 06:12:25	alschaapman	Looks like somebody made a mkinitcpio module for ostree so I feel like somebody must be using it
2022-10-31 06:35:18	glitsj16	alschaapman: that topic might attracct more attention as a forum post... all i know is the ostree package is mainly in the repo's because flatpak requires it
2022-10-31 06:36:54	glitsj16	alschaapman: not sure whether the included HTML documentation is arch-specific
2022-10-31 06:45:58	alschaapman	I can't see any reason why booting an ostree root wouldn't be possible since there's a dracut module and a mkinitcpio module, although I'm not expecting management of the ostree to be as graceful using pacman as with rpm-ostree, since Arch is not specifically designed around it
2022-10-31 06:46:29	alschaapman	Maybe it'll just take somebody trying it out and writing a Wiki page. Perhaps I could even be that someone!
2022-10-31 06:47:06	glitsj16	sure, why not :)
2022-10-31 07:18:39	uniqNuuid	how do i know if fsck did fsck on boot? 
2022-10-31 07:19:03	uniqNuuid	dmesg sees nothing..
2022-10-31 07:19:23	Edu4rdSHL	Setting it on fstab
2022-10-31 07:27:15	uniqNuuid	yeah, i set it already. i'd like to see some log 
2022-10-31 07:29:37	glitsj16	do you have the fsck hook in your mkinitcpio?
2022-10-31 07:30:46	Edu4rdSHL	Also, `journalctl --grep fsck` 
2022-10-31 07:31:01	Edu4rdSHL	And `systemctl status boot.mount`
2022-10-31 07:40:34	uniqNuuid	glitsj16: yes. 
2022-10-31 07:44:03	glitsj16	uniqNuuid: man e2fsck.conf has a `logging` section... i never needed that but you could check some of the settings and give it a try
2022-10-31 07:44:37	alschaapman	uniqNuuid: I find your nickname mildly amusing
2022-10-31 07:45:08	glitsj16	that's assuming you use ext2,3,4 obviously
2022-10-31 07:48:00	SponiX	sudo badblocks -f -v -o bad.txt /dev/sdv
2022-10-31 07:48:00	SponiX	badblocks: Value too large for defined data type invalid end block (4883770584): must be 32-bit value
2022-10-31 07:48:20	SponiX	what am I doing wrong?
2022-10-31 07:54:54	SponiX	never mind, I just needed to specify -b 4096
2022-10-31 08:05:35	uniqNuuid	alschaapman: thanks 
2022-10-31 08:32:03	sensille	any ideas why font rendering could have changed with a recent update? anti-aliasing is back in chrome and thunderbird
2022-10-31 08:36:16	sensille	i somehow managed to turn it off before
2022-10-31 08:59:08	tatsumaru	a noob question but what is the difference between gnome terminal and bash?
2022-10-31 09:00:06	scamkid	bash is a shell, gnome terminal is an application that provides a shell
2022-10-31 09:00:12	scamkid	they're both different things
2022-10-31 09:00:25	tatsumaru	so terminal is like an interface for bash?
2022-10-31 09:00:28	scamkid	yes
2022-10-31 09:01:08	grawity	tatsumaru: the shell (bash, zsh) interprets commands, the terminal (xterm, gnome-terminal) draws the shell's input/output on screen
2022-10-31 09:01:14	grawity	tatsumaru: it's like a webpage vs a web browser
2022-10-31 09:01:28	tatsumaru	I see
2022-10-31 09:01:38	tatsumaru	did linux always have some form of a shell?
2022-10-31 09:01:43	grawity	yes
2022-10-31 09:02:03	tatsumaru	I am guessing you can't do much without one
2022-10-31 09:02:04	scamkid	linux usually comes with one of the two, bash or zsh
2022-10-31 09:02:05	grawity	I mean Linus has mentioned that linux was originally started as a terminal before it "accidentally" evolved into an OS
2022-10-31 09:02:43	tatsumaru	it was a shell for another os?
2022-10-31 09:03:07	grawity	Linux *could* exist without a command-line shell – a lot of people can work in a graphical desktop their entire life, especially on distros like Fedora or Ubuntu where the package manager has a proper GUI as well
2022-10-31 09:03:55	grawity	on Android I don't think I've opened a shell more than once per year
2022-10-31 09:04:07	scamkid	usually only for servers you would need a console to do stuff, on arch thats a different story since you need to install everything manually
2022-10-31 09:04:14	grawity	tatsumaru: no, it was a terminal
2022-10-31 09:04:21	scamkid	but for things like ubuntu thats fine
2022-10-31 09:04:55	tatsumaru	grawity: on android you barely need the OS IMO, you can do everything in the browser.
2022-10-31 09:04:56	grawity	scamkid: the big difference is that e.g. ubuntu has Synaptic as an entirely acceptable GUI around apt package management
2022-10-31 09:05:25	susi	3?
2022-10-31 09:05:38	sensille	i only see very minor updates to fontconfig and harfbuzz
2022-10-31 09:05:41	grawity	tatsumaru: nah I use my phone like I use a PC, file manager is probably 3rd most used app
2022-10-31 09:06:22	scamkid	grawity: i mean a phone is technically a computer in itself
2022-10-31 09:06:28	grawity	I'm aware
2022-10-31 09:06:51	scamkid	i use termux to ssh into my ubuntu server so I can do stuff anywhere
2022-10-31 09:07:04	scamkid	but also sometimes for IRC too
2022-10-31 09:07:21	tatsumaru	well the playstation is a computer too, but you don't see many people installing office on it
2022-10-31 09:07:41	scamkid	everything is a computer
2022-10-31 09:09:06	Edu4rdSHL	PS exists specifically for people to play with, phones are a swiss-knife 
2022-10-31 09:13:02	alschaapman	Sorry for being late but I'm deeply skeptical Linux as it's been constituted for a few decades could exist without a command line shell
2022-10-31 09:13:28	alschaapman	It not only interprets command lines entered in a terminal emulator, but it also runs scripts
2022-10-31 09:14:03	alschaapman	Even if you didn't need the CLI, Bash or at least a POSIX-compliant shell would be essential
2022-10-31 09:14:14	grawity	a script interpreter doesn't have to be exposed as a command-line shell, or even be the same program
2022-10-31 09:14:22	alschaapman	tru
2022-10-31 09:14:31	alschaapman	But I mean in this case it is
2022-10-31 09:14:37	grawity	you can easily have an OS that uses some sh scripts behind the scenes but never exposes any kind of interactive shell to the user
2022-10-31 09:14:58	grawity	(e.g. I think that's ChromeOS)
2022-10-31 09:15:57	alschaapman	How so? I'm curious
2022-10-31 09:16:18	Edu4rdSHL	You create the scripts and put them to run when the use click a button
2022-10-31 09:16:25	Edu4rdSHL	s/use/user
2022-10-31 09:17:29	grawity	from what I've read, ChromeOS only has crosh, which is a jail-shell that has like 5 commands, but doesn't expose access to a POSIX environment
2022-10-31 09:17:57	grawity	even though some of those commands used to be written in POSIX shell
2022-10-31 09:18:12	grawity	(most of them appear to have been RIIR'd in Rust)
2022-10-31 09:18:51	Edu4rdSHL	<3
2022-10-31 09:18:59	grawity	Linux as a whole has significantly reduced background shellscriptery as well
2022-10-31 09:19:31	grawity	e.g. /etc/init.d -> systemd, pm-utils -> logind, cron -> .timer
2022-10-31 09:34:33	zan	Speaking of interpreters, anyone knows of anyone working on a configuration files interpreter?
2022-10-31 09:35:30	grawity	uh, to be used where?
2022-10-31 09:35:59	grawity	do config files even need to be interpreted?
2022-10-31 09:37:46	Gagis	theres at least some generic parser for python for any projects that use traditional configuration files
2022-10-31 09:39:44	zan	grawity: parse the config, turn options into html / css buttons, inputs and checkboxes, use all the comments in configs to display tips to the user in gui, encourages properly documenting configuration files as well
2022-10-31 09:40:04	zan	now my mom can configure her arch KDE setup
2022-10-31 09:40:15	burakcank	why am I having trouble booting up the "grub.cfg" with the differences ? https://dpaste.com//B2SXGY2KTy
2022-10-31 09:40:16	zan	Is it a completely stupid idea or does it have some legs to stand on?
2022-10-31 09:40:58	grawity	well, some projects do that (e.g. xkeyboard configs work that way), but I don't think it can be made generic enough while still being functional enough
2022-10-31 09:41:27	jelle	zan: if you run KDE, what can't you configure through it's settings
2022-10-31 09:41:44	zan	jelle: shouldn't have said KDE, just arch
2022-10-31 09:42:01	grawity	I mean constraints, conflicts between options, etc
2022-10-31 09:42:11	zan	i mean *literally* every config file possible
2022-10-31 09:42:12	grawity	and imo, building a good settings GUI is a skill -- just showing all settings graphically only does that halfway
2022-10-31 09:42:14	jelle	zan: this is why DE's exists basically :)
2022-10-31 09:42:15	zan	yeah those are to be figured out
2022-10-31 09:42:25	zan	grawity: that's my speciality :D
2022-10-31 09:42:40	zan	I'll post as I make progres
2022-10-31 09:44:09	Gagis	you could probably set up some industry standard ORM to do that, using text files instead of database entries as the data, like django or something a bit less massive
2022-10-31 09:44:25	Gagis	theres no shortage of code capable of parsing common conf file formats, ust got to render it to views
2022-10-31 09:44:45	Gagis	... and run all this with write access to files owned by root, which is a bit of a problem
2022-10-31 09:44:49	jelle	zan: for what programs?
2022-10-31 09:48:36	zan	jelle: everything not specific programs, could also pull relevant info from man pages and infer option constraints
2022-10-31 09:48:54	jelle	o.o
2022-10-31 09:49:13	zan	Agreed :D
2022-10-31 09:50:26	zan	Just thinking out loud since chat intrigued me due to interpreters / parsing, wanted to see the reaction to this and I think I got it lol
2022-10-31 09:50:45	dagle	So an AI for settings?
2022-10-31 09:50:55	jelle	zan: I still wonder what settings
2022-10-31 09:51:26	grawity	jelle: like a generic GUI for editing sshd_config or pacman.conf, I assume
2022-10-31 09:51:41	jelle	oic
2022-10-31 09:51:52	zan	A GUI that lists every possible config file on your system, and you can edit it as if it's not text
2022-10-31 09:51:57	grawity	(sort of how there's a KDE tool for editing crontab specifically, and so on)
2022-10-31 09:52:06	zan	If it's root owned, then just show locations since you know from PKGBUILDS
2022-10-31 09:52:20	dagle	zan: That sounds a lot like gconfig
2022-10-31 09:52:29	zan	dagle: thanks, checking it out
2022-10-31 09:52:56	dagle	Or what the gtk people call it.
2022-10-31 09:53:40	jelle	dagle: dconf?
2022-10-31 09:53:44	jelle	nah
2022-10-31 09:59:20	zan	Only gconfig I can find is for kernel configuration (https://en.everybodywiki.com/File:Linux_x86_4.18.7_Kernel_Configuration_Using_make_gconfig.png), while gconf from gnome is an actual database that I don't want
2022-10-31 09:59:33	zan	Anyhow, got some input, not so crazy, will add to notes and go from there :-)
2022-10-31 10:25:39	zan	Just to correct something extra stupid I wrote: the show only paths if root owned was meant as, show only paths until you escalate privileges and see if the config is using default name or the person using the system changed it
2022-10-31 12:21:21	randomxusr	I'm putting together a custom Archiso for use with a USB drive. Is it possiblte to partition the space to use some area as storage?
2022-10-31 12:23:36	Ennea	randomxusr, you may want to read: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_on_a_removable_medium
2022-10-31 12:23:37	phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux on a removable medium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-31 12:25:59	randomxusr	Ennea, thanks for that. Aside from the media, and install files, is there any other difference from a fixed drive install? 
2022-10-31 12:27:18	Ennea	i haven't looked into this at all, to be honest, so i can't really answer any additional questions i'm afraid
2022-10-31 12:28:37	randomxusr	no worries. thanks for the link
2022-10-31 13:01:58	kit_ty_kate	Hi, has anyone noticed any issues with the latest Firefox (106.0.2)? I upgraded from 106.0.1 last time I opened my laptop before rebooting and today I got 2 segfaults in 2 hours (including one in gdb) 
2022-10-31 13:02:01	kit_ty_kate	https://paste.osau.re/z05
2022-10-31 13:02:02	phrik	Title: Past-isserie (at paste.osau.re)
2022-10-31 13:02:30	Namarrgon	is this on ALARM?
2022-10-31 13:02:36	kit_ty_kate	yes
2022-10-31 13:02:46	Namarrgon	then you're in the wrong channel, try #archlinuxarm
2022-10-31 13:04:18	kit_ty_kate	I already asked on the #asahi channel but I wanted to know if anyone on other architectures/machines noticed anything
2022-10-31 13:04:23	Namarrgon	ALARM isn't arch, it's a separate distro, made by different people
2022-10-31 13:04:48	Namarrgon	there's also #linux if you need a wider audience
2022-10-31 14:43:59	lmat	I'm trying to do some X11 forwarding. I'm using xfce4 on both machines. On the server, I enabled the settings in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. On the client, I did ssh -X <server>; I did not see any errors before or after logging in. In SSH, I ran anki; and I get "39 ecosystem resources #60
2022-10-31 14:45:07	lmat	oops, bad paste. I actually get "Qt warning: could not connect to display..." and errors typical of an environment without DISPLAY=:0. I export DISPLAY=:0 then run anki again, and it looks like anki is running based on the command line output, but I see nothing on client. I guess it's running on the server...basically as though I did not -X.
2022-10-31 14:45:26	lmat	I read through the wiki carefully, and it seems like it should be working. What should I do further?
2022-10-31 14:59:04	astralc	DISPLAY is ssh is not 0, I think it start from 10
2022-10-31 14:59:11	astralc	*in ssh
2022-10-31 15:00:04	nullie	astralc: ssh -X should set DISPLAY for you
2022-10-31 15:00:46	astralc	Also you need to enable x11 forwarding on the server sshd
2022-10-31 15:02:51	nomicon	do you have xorg-xauth installed ?
2022-10-31 15:18:45	Yorick_	Hi, I'm running into a, for me , strange issue. Since a few weeks CSGO (the game) is not working for my anymore. All the libraries are there (checked with ldd) and the LD_PRELOAD & LD_LIBRARY_PATH env were both set. I was checking with gdb and it gave a `Thread 1 "csgo_linux64" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.` error back... so I tried to use an alternative debug tool (as alternative
2022-10-31 15:18:45	Yorick_	provided in the arch docs) which was valgrind; which 
2022-10-31 15:18:45	Yorick_	- to my supprise - resulted starting up CSGO (it is very slow but anyways). Does someone know why this possibly can happen?
2022-10-31 15:20:07	Yorick_	BTW it does work when I run CSGO using vulkan (something seems to be bad when using OpenGL?!)
2022-10-31 15:21:13	nomicon	Xorg / Wayland ?
2022-10-31 15:21:19	Yorick_	xorg
2022-10-31 15:23:02	Yorick_	I've seen a lot of topics related to this issue... so I'm wondering if I somehow can get the core of this issue. I've done https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Steam/Game-specific_troubleshooting#Game_can't_launch_and_crash_with_black_screen , disabled cloud sync., reinstalled steam / csgo completely.
2022-10-31 15:23:03	phrik	Title: Steam/Game-specific troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-31 15:24:24	Yorick_	I thought, maybe it's the newest nvidia driver, so i went back to linux-lts and nvidia-lts without positive results
2022-10-31 15:26:04	astralc	did you checked protondb?
2022-10-31 15:26:12	Gagis	first thing I try is to switch between Steam (Native) and Steam (Runtime) to see if the difference between their environments matters
2022-10-31 15:26:25	Yorick_	yeah I did
2022-10-31 15:26:28	Yorick_	also no results
2022-10-31 15:28:11	Yorick_	and I didn't try protondb no
2022-10-31 15:28:51	mefistofeles	Yorick_: did you check the game files? Maybe they went corrupted for some reason
2022-10-31 15:28:55	Yorick_	but it worked before. I had issues like this before, and somehow changing the mirror file to a different server that had newer packages on it and update my system worked... but now I'd have the same issues again
2022-10-31 15:29:29	Yorick_	yeah Steam has a validation option per game
2022-10-31 15:29:33	Yorick_	I used that multiple times
2022-10-31 15:30:12	Yorick_	Waht I can try is to go back and install the latest nvidia driver that worked. Maybe that'll do something.
2022-10-31 15:30:43	Scimmia	you'd either have to downgrade the kernel or use dkms to do that
2022-10-31 15:31:17	Yorick_	but it's strange that it works using the valgrind debug tool but not via Steam itself or the gdb debug tool
2022-10-31 15:31:27	Yorick_	valgrind does some magic it seems =)
2022-10-31 15:52:40	gr33n7007h	what happened to kernel 6.0.3 and 6.0.4
2022-10-31 15:53:29	CubeTheThird	they got eaten?
2022-10-31 15:53:56	mefistofeles	gr33n7007h: too many releases and not enough arch maintainers
2022-10-31 15:54:25	gr33n7007h	mefistofeles: i see, thanks.
2022-10-31 16:01:53	alad	and too many bugs
2022-10-31 16:03:02	artefact	to be fair, the lifetime of 6.0.4 was 90 seconds
2022-10-31 16:04:53	olspookishmagus	hey now - why is it that when I connect my dual GPU laptop to an
2022-10-31 16:04:53	olspookishmagus	external display things turn nastily sluggish? 
2022-10-31 16:04:53	olspookishmagus	it's a Lenovo W530 and it features an Intel and an NVIDIA chip
2022-10-31 16:13:41	phrik	Title: NVIDIA Optimus - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-10-31 17:01:38	octopus	hey
2022-10-31 17:01:50	octopus	I installed bemenu, curses version
2022-10-31 17:01:55	octopus	but it just exits
2022-10-31 17:03:23	octopus	http://0x0.st/oYtG.9iZKNL9L
2022-10-31 17:03:31	octopus	it exits with status 1
2022-10-31 17:03:56	jelle	octopus: see if it has a verbose flag
2022-10-31 17:04:53	octopus	I don't think so
2022-10-31 17:10:19	octopus	He
2022-10-31 17:10:27	octopus	I have found the solution
2022-10-31 17:10:58	octopus	so, I had to `export BEMENU_BACKEND='curses'`
2022-10-31 17:12:20	octopus	but this was not mentioned in the package
2022-10-31 17:12:31	octopus	I mean, sometimes pacman has a message for user
2022-10-31 17:12:35	octopus	like do this or that
2022-10-31 17:15:17	octopus	so, even though, I installed curses version, I had to say it explicitly, but this is not like urged in manpage, so I guess one could also have all the  backends installed
2022-10-31 17:15:44	octopus	but then, why does pacman want me to select one?
2022-10-31 17:17:30	MrElendig	because bemenu depends on bemenu-renderer, of which there are multiple packages which provides it
2022-10-31 17:17:55	octopus	yeah, but couldn't I have  all of them?
2022-10-31 17:18:11	octopus	are they mutually exclusive? at compile time?
2022-10-31 17:18:43	MrElendig	they don't conflict or replace, so you can install more than one
2022-10-31 17:19:39	MrElendig	feel free to write a patch to pacman to allow for selecting multiple provides when asked
2022-10-31 17:19:50	octopus	:D
2022-10-31 17:20:03	octopus	cutest answer
2022-10-31 17:20:07	MrElendig	the more common case are conflicting provides though
2022-10-31 17:36:02	olspookishmagus	thank you very much h4rd3n3d I will have a look at it and hope you'll be around to let you know if I had met with success
2022-10-31 17:42:06	GaivsIvlivs	What do? /usr/bin/arch-chroot: line 457: 1895 Segmentation fault (core dumped) SHELL=/bin/bash $pid_unshare chroot "${chroot_args[@]}" -- "$chrootdir" "${args[@]"
2022-10-31 17:45:57	susi	GaivsIvlivs: this is not archiso?
2022-10-31 17:46:01	stefanc_diff	GaivsIvlivs: any other helpful details ? What VM or what system , what CPU arch x86_64 or other, what are you trying to do with arch-chroot ? Has arch-chroot worked before for you ?
2022-10-31 17:46:52	susi	can you run bash itself without segfaulting?
2022-10-31 17:46:58	GaivsIvlivs	standard 64 new arch install
2022-10-31 17:53:09	ttnk	 /j truenas
2022-10-31 17:53:49	MrElendig	needs less space and more #
2022-10-31 17:54:06	GaivsIvlivs	susi: seems to be working, any bash command you'd like me to test?
2022-10-31 17:54:20	susi	GaivsIvlivs: maybe re-test that arch-chroot 
2022-10-31 17:54:29	GaivsIvlivs	how so?
2022-10-31 17:54:40	susi	by running the command that faulted 
2022-10-31 17:55:10	GaivsIvlivs	arch-chroot and chroot both segfault, tried several times
2022-10-31 17:55:34	susi	that could have been an important detail to add to the initial question
2022-10-31 17:55:56	GaivsIvlivs	not really
2022-10-31 17:57:35	MrElendig	check dmesg
2022-10-31 17:59:06	GaivsIvlivs	segfault at 0 ip 0000556f991b4559 sp 00007ffcfd217820 error 6 in bash
2022-10-31 17:59:37	ChrisWarrick	perhaps this is related to https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/76351 ?
2022-10-31 17:59:38	phrik	Title: FS#76351 : [readline] 8.2.0-1 causes bash coredump when invalid locale (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2022-10-31 18:02:00	GaivsIvlivs	Possibly, I'll try the [testing] package
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2022-10-31 18:03:36	susi	check `locale' and `locale -a' to see if your locale is properly configured
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2022-10-31 18:06:26	susi	as the issue says, "Having a misconfigured locale appears to be the cause"
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2022-10-31 18:07:05	Scimmia	I wonder if trying to chroot when the current locale isn't generated yet would cause it?
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2022-10-31 18:07:18	Scimmia	I would guess it would?
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2022-10-31 18:08:23	MrElendig	yep
2022-10-31 18:08:28	Scimmia	so then it's not a misconfiguation
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2022-10-31 18:09:33	susi	 s/../properly configured and generated/
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2022-10-31 18:10:03	Scimmia	right, but the point is that you don't do that until after you chroot when installing Arch
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2022-10-31 18:10:50	susi	I asked if it's archiso, and they said it's 'new arch install', so I assumed the actual system was already installed
2022-10-31 18:10:54	susi	but ya, good point
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2022-10-31 18:12:22	MrElendig	and locale-gen have hardcoded paths, so you would have to do localedef by hand to generate them outside of the chroot
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2022-10-31 18:13:04	Scimmia	need to get that fix into Core asap
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2022-10-31 18:58:33	Scimmia	set to something that exists inside the chroot?
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2022-10-31 19:02:51	GaivsIvlivs	It's a fresh pacstrap, can't set the locale
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2022-10-31 19:05:33	astralc	try with different shell for now?
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2022-10-31 19:06:23	susi	maybe you need to use localedef then, as MrE suggested
2022-10-31 19:06:47	MrElendig	using a different shell or pacman -U the fixed package is easier
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2022-10-31 19:09:06	Scimmia	zsh doesn't use readline, it should work
2022-10-31 19:10:40	astralc	it use readline via pcre
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2022-10-31 19:10:57	astralc	dash and ksh don't use it
2022-10-31 19:11:25	MrElendig	even if it uses readline, it might not segfault
2022-10-31 19:11:54	Scimmia	zsh itself isn't linked to pcre, does it dlopen it or something?
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2022-10-31 19:13:26	MrElendig	pretty sure zsh doesn't use readline at all, its just the dep tree
2022-10-31 19:14:04	Scimmia	that was my understanding
2022-10-31 19:14:36	dav1d	Doesnt zsh use zle?
2022-10-31 19:14:44	MrElendig	and I did an arch install in a vm a couple of days ago using zsh which worked fine
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2022-10-31 19:15:12	astralc	I did vm install yesterday and bash worked fine
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2022-10-31 19:16:14	Scimmia	astralc: the problem started after 2022-10-29 20:54 UTC
2022-10-31 19:16:26	Scimmia	whenever the mirrors synced after that
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2022-10-31 19:19:08	astralc	yesterday was the 30, so I assume it was after that
2022-10-31 19:19:26	Scimmia	depending on when your mirror synced
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2022-10-31 19:21:48	astralc	I checked now, the vm was installed with readline 8.2.0-1
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2022-10-31 19:22:02	assman	anyone here recently used tailscale ssh with arch? trying to debug an issue where my ssh connection immediately closes
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2022-10-31 19:22:19	assman	it works on my other linux clients 
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2022-10-31 19:29:02	Namarrgon	assman: can you access it any other way?
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2022-10-31 19:29:40	MacGyver	assman: Define "immediately closes"
2022-10-31 19:29:44	MacGyver	How far do you get?
2022-10-31 19:29:56	MacGyver	You can learn a lot from ssh -vvv
2022-10-31 19:30:05	MacGyver	Add more v's as appropriate.
2022-10-31 19:30:27	Namarrgon	probably until bash segfaults, if it's an up-to-date arch
2022-10-31 19:30:30	assman	yeah i've got one here: https://github.com/tailscale/tailscale/files/9901172/sxsf4.txt
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2022-10-31 19:31:06	assman	the plot thickens since apparently if you run it as `tailscale ssh me@alarm /bin/bash` you can enter commands get stdout but no prompt or stderr show up
2022-10-31 19:31:07	Namarrgon	that's not even arch
2022-10-31 19:31:25	assman	Yeah but it's using the arch package
2022-10-31 19:31:38	Namarrgon	no, it's not, arch doesn't work on ARM
2022-10-31 19:31:38	assman	actually
2022-10-31 19:31:46	susi	everything making use of PKGBUILDs is Arch!
2022-10-31 19:31:59	MrElendig	assman: archlinux-arm is a completely independent distro
2022-10-31 19:32:07	assman	my apologies
2022-10-31 19:32:08	Namarrgon	anyway, fix your locale
2022-10-31 19:32:16	MrElendig	and they have their own irc channel
2022-10-31 19:32:21	assman	i'll ask there instead
2022-10-31 19:33:55	MacGyver	FWIW, it does look to me like the issue is at least *after* authentication so it's *probably* an issue of (failing to) start(ing) the actual shell binary.
2022-10-31 19:34:06	MacGyver	But anything beyond that, yeah, not gonna be able to help.
2022-10-31 19:34:40	assman	yeah auth works and i can login via my local LAN IPs so it must be a tailscale issue
2022-10-31 19:34:49	assman	thanks for your help
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2022-10-31 19:45:36	lmat	I'm trying to do some X11 forwarding. I'm using xfce4 on both machines. On the server, I enabled the settings in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. On the client, I did ssh -X <server>; I did not see any errors before or after logging in. In SSH, I ran anki; and I get
2022-10-31 19:45:45	lmat	"Qt warning: could not connect to display..." and errors typical of an environment without DISPLAY=:0. I export DISPLAY=:0 then run anki again, and it looks like anki is running based on the command line output, but I see nothing on client. I guess it's running on the server...basically as though I did not -X.
2022-10-31 19:46:05	lmat	astralc: "enable x11 forwarding on the server" check.
2022-10-31 19:46:34	lmat	nomicon: "do you have xorg-xauth installed" Yes. I'm not sure when that got installed (I installed xorg-server and the xfce4 group, so I guess one of those has it in there :shrug:)
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2022-10-31 19:50:17	xecuter	hiho
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2022-10-31 19:50:45	xecuter	i can not see grub, if i booting my computer. what can i do for check this?
2022-10-31 19:51:38	MrElendig	what happens instead?
2022-10-31 19:51:54	xecuter	arch linux will just booted
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2022-10-31 19:52:14	xecuter	i take a look in grub-customizer, there i see some errors.
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2022-10-31 19:53:18	xecuter	unknown device nvme0n1....  uefi-firmware blablabla not found..... os-prober not started.... hmmm woah hmm
2022-10-31 19:53:18	MrElendig	timeout set to 0?
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2022-10-31 19:54:03	xecuter	i do not know
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2022-10-31 19:54:29	xecuter	i see.... devicemap_file is not selected and mkdevicemap_cmd is not selected
2022-10-31 19:54:40	xecuter	<-- do not understand anything! \o/
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2022-10-31 19:56:08	xecuter	MrElendig: do you know a grub2 repair/check terminal command?
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2022-10-31 19:56:34	MrElendig	vim works
2022-10-31 19:57:13	MrElendig	but you said that arch booted fine?
2022-10-31 19:57:22	MrElendig	so just check if the timeout in grub is set to 0
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2022-10-31 19:59:39	xecuter	in /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
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2022-10-31 20:00:59	xecuter	i see: "set timeout=5"
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2022-10-31 20:01:29	xecuter	perhaps "grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg" ?
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2022-10-31 20:08:40	astralc	lmat: do "printenv DISPLAY" when connect with ssh -X
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2022-10-31 20:09:41	xecuter	hmm is wrong location.... right is /etc/default/grub.... GRUB_TIMEOUT="5"
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2022-10-31 20:12:34	keir	xecuter: you don't edit `/boot/grub/grub.cfg` directly usually, you edit `/etc/default/grub` and then generate then a new `grub.cfg` with `grub-mkconfig`
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2022-10-31 20:24:19	xecuter	keir: /etc/grub.d/proxifiedScripts/linux: Zeile 200: version_find_latest: Kommando nicht gefunden. Command not found
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2022-10-31 20:24:51	Scimmia	get rid of grub-customizer
2022-10-31 20:25:50	xecuter	i do not used grub-customizer  for so long time. hmmm i just see now a problem, because i want to go into uefi :-/
2022-10-31 20:26:01	xecuter	Warnung: Zur Erkennung anderer bootfähiger Partitionen wird os-prober nicht ausgeführt. Die darauf befindlichen Systeme werden nicht zur GRUB-Bootkonfiguration hinzugefügt. Schauen Sie in den Dokumentationseintrag GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER.
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2022-10-31 20:28:16	xecuter	Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+/memtest.bin   /usr/bin/grub-probe: Warnung: Unbekannter Gerätetyp nvme0n1.   <<--- this is the same device .... where arch linux is installed and start, too hmmm
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2022-10-31 20:30:09	MrElendig	LANG=C
2022-10-31 20:30:10	Scimmia	the grub-customizer error means you end up with a truncated config
2022-10-31 20:33:22	xecuter	but why i have a corrupted config? hmm 
2022-10-31 20:34:27	Scimmia	I just told you why
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2022-10-31 20:52:53	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-10-31 20:52:53	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1426 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1425 normals)
2022-10-31 20:52:55	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-10-31 20:53:08	Scimmia	as MacGyver said, check them all with -Qo, and anything that's not owned by any package, get rid of
2022-10-31 20:53:31	Scimmia	looks like there are 4 packages in the repos that drop things in that dir
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2022-10-31 20:54:11	Scimmia	er, 5 now, had to update
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2022-10-31 20:59:23	lmat	astralc: I get nothing when I printenv DISPLAY;
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2022-10-31 21:02:23	astralc	lmat: so you x forwarding not configured correctly - what is the value of X11Forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server?
2022-10-31 21:03:02	lmat	"yes"
2022-10-31 21:03:06	lmat	I have
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2022-10-31 21:03:21	lmat	X11Forwarding yes  AllowTcpForwarding yes  X11DisplayOffset 10   X11UseLocalhost yes  
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2022-10-31 21:03:54	astralc	did you restart the sshd after you changed the value?
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2022-10-31 21:04:11	lmat	Then I ran   sudo systemctl restart sshd;  I was puzzled as I ran this command remotely, but my ssh session was NOT interrupted! I did systemctl status sshd; and it said "active (running) since ...; 12s ago".
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2022-10-31 21:04:28	MacGyver	I'm not sure whether X11UseLocalhost is necessary or even correct.
2022-10-31 21:04:29	xecuter	now i have just: 00 header ; 10 linux ; 20 linux_xen ; 30 os-prober : 30 uefi-firmware : 35 fwupd (+readme) no package /etc/grub.d/backup : no package /etc/grub.d/bin
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2022-10-31 21:05:24	MacGyver	Oh, the default is yes, so that's no problem.
2022-10-31 21:05:39	xecuter	 grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg ok ok ok ok   Found fallback initrd image(s) in /boot:  amd-ucode.img initramfs-linux-fallback.img .... warning os-prober do not liking you... finished.
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2022-10-31 21:05:54	lmat	MacGyver: Okay. I just read the docs on it and I can't say that I follow with confidence!
2022-10-31 21:06:10	MacGyver	lmat: No worries, it's the default and your client is not that old.
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2022-10-31 21:06:53	MacGyver	Try ssh -Y instead of -X.
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2022-10-31 21:07:12	MacGyver	If that works, the issue is with how the security extensions are configured.
2022-10-31 21:07:26	xecuter	can i reboot without panic, for testing it?
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2022-10-31 21:08:28	Scimmia	always have a rescue drive handy, but you should be fine
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2022-10-31 21:09:13	xecuter	im not sure about os-prober. i do not use dualboot system. i have just linux-lts for a lil rescue boot alternative
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2022-10-31 21:10:11	Scimmia	if you're not dual booting, osprober isn't going to do anything
2022-10-31 21:11:19	xecuter	and that os prober and uefi-firmware both are 30. is not a problem?
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2022-10-31 21:12:36	Scimmia	no
2022-10-31 21:13:32	xecuter	ok, than i can rebooting now, and view if i can see grub and safe booting arch again? :-o
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2022-10-31 21:16:20	xecuter	i try. we trust in God! \o/
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2022-10-31 21:32:01	lmat	MacGyver:  astralc: It looks like SSH X11 forwarding works now. Something in .bashrc was messing up DISPLAY!
2022-10-31 21:32:05	lmat	Thank you!
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2022-11-01 11:53:40	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-11-01 11:53:40	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1427 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1426 normals)
2022-11-01 07:47:51	uniqNuuid	caveman: it is supported by the kernel. try archlinuxarm
2022-11-01 07:48:13	caveman	how complete is the repo for archlinuxarm?
2022-11-01 07:48:56	uniqNuuid	it uses archlinux PKGBUILD to build for arm, so it has everything almost 
2022-11-01 07:49:25	uniqNuuid	and you can use AUR too. 
2022-11-01 07:49:40	caveman	with AUR, i can build everything?  or is there ARM quirks?
2022-11-01 07:50:26	uniqNuuid	no quirks. makepkg already support different arch than x86_64
2022-11-01 07:51:15	caveman	what about, say, c/c++/etc?  any quirks with them that may cause some apps to not work with qrm?
2022-11-01 07:51:49	uniqNuuid	i don't have any issues with it.
2022-11-01 07:51:54	BrainDamage	AlexC: run lddtree on it
2022-11-01 07:52:04	caveman	uniqNuuid: which arm do you use?  and are you on archlinuxarm as well?
2022-11-01 07:52:12	AlexC	BrainDamage, nah, no time, I need remmina for work
2022-11-01 07:52:19	AlexC	so deleted, and installed git version
2022-11-01 07:52:24	AlexC	there's already a fix for that
2022-11-01 07:52:39	AlexC	works just fine
2022-11-01 07:52:42	uniqNuuid	caveman: i have a tv box that uses amlogic s905d, and yes, i use archlinuxarm on it
2022-11-01 07:52:48	BrainDamage	fair enough
2022-11-01 07:53:24	caveman	uniqNuuid: would you recommend arm as a laptop replacement for running android-studio including the virtual machine (running virtual android devices)?
2022-11-01 07:54:04	uniqNuuid	caveman: i don't use GUI linux.
2022-11-01 07:54:13	uniqNuuid	headless only
2022-11-01 07:56:01	uniqNuuid	that is KVM/Qemu related, i think KVM has aarch64 support
2022-11-01 07:56:19	caveman	do you use GUI at all?  which o.s. do you use for GUI?
2022-11-01 07:56:41	uniqNuuid	macbook air apple silicon
2022-11-01 08:02:52	caveman	uniqNuuid: why did you decide that gui is for apple?
2022-11-01 08:04:24	uniqNuuid	that's off topic, sorry, no comment 
2022-11-01 09:04:20	willist	'Synchronize Cache(10) failed: Result: hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_OK' everytime when disconnecting my usb nvme drive (unmounting seems to hang). Does this mean I need a new drive?
2022-11-01 09:10:56	bwanda	v
2022-11-01 09:24:07	Furai	Hmm, gnome 43. Cool beans.
2022-11-01 09:25:04	alschaapman	It sure is one of the GNOME releases of all time. No denying that
2022-11-01 09:25:41	Furai	Seems like focus was on touch devices
2022-11-01 09:25:43	Furai	?
2022-11-01 09:26:14	alschaapman	Oh my
2022-11-01 09:26:17	alschaapman	New to GNOME?
2022-11-01 09:26:20	Furai	Anyway, when 42 dropped - X11 was borked, had to fix stuff. I see from the chat history here that this time around it's the other way.
2022-11-01 09:27:09	Furai	Glad I don't have to tinker.
2022-11-01 09:27:36	alschaapman	A number of design decisions made by GNOME devs and reinforced with each successive release since GNOME shell came on the scene have made clear that they think their entire UI should be tailored to work with a touch screen, even if the device it's running on doesn't have one
2022-11-01 09:28:25	alschaapman	It's one of the most core things that makes GNOME GNOME
2022-11-01 09:29:02	alschaapman	Clearly I was wrong in speculating you just jumped over with 43 so I find your question surprising but I suppose I'm missing context
2022-11-01 09:30:01	Furai	I mean, I haven't ever tried gnome with touch screen. And maybe now is the time to finally get the Surface Pro. Kernel support seems good enough. 
2022-11-01 09:30:43	susi	willist: check the cable/possible adapters
2022-11-01 09:31:14	alschaapman	I mean, I'm very outspoken in thinking GNOME is really unpleasant to use, but I also do all my Linux-ing on devices that don't have touch screens. If you're talking tablets GNOME would be the way to go
2022-11-01 09:32:02	jelle	alschaapman: not really, it's not super usable on it
2022-11-01 09:32:33	alschaapman	Seriously? Please, I don't need more reasons to dislike GNOME. Maybe you'd better just not tell me.
2022-11-01 09:32:41	Furai	:D
2022-11-01 09:32:47	alschaapman	How so and what did you try it on
2022-11-01 09:33:41	jelle	alschaapman: I tried it on a tablet obviously :P
2022-11-01 09:33:58	alschaapman	Also, to clarify, I meant GNOME would be the ideal choice for a tablet compared to *other options for Linux*
2022-11-01 09:34:06	alschaapman	Not compared to other tablet experiences generally
2022-11-01 09:34:10	jelle	alschaapman: phosh is probably better
2022-11-01 09:34:11	rcf	jelle is on the dark side 
2022-11-01 09:35:30	jelle	alschaapman: keyboard input wasn't usable in 42, osd didn't really work that well, copy paste with touch no nada
2022-11-01 09:35:36	jelle	compared to android it's not there
2022-11-01 09:35:47	jelle	GNOME is however fine for desktop
2022-11-01 09:36:13	alschaapman	Wow. I never thought it would be possible for me to hate GNOME more, but I guess you learn something new every day
2022-11-01 09:36:29	rcf	There’s always more to hate 
2022-11-01 09:36:47	rcf	But really it’s fine for a certain sort of person 
2022-11-01 09:36:53	jelle	alschaapman: why hate? Do you have some sort of problem?
2022-11-01 09:37:04	susi	hate's pretty strong an emotion
2022-11-01 09:37:16	alschaapman	>Compromises many aspects of mouse+keyboard usage to prioritize touch screen devices
2022-11-01 09:37:24	alschaapman	>Doesn't work well with tablets either
2022-11-01 09:37:44	jelle	alschaapman: I did not try gnome 43 on tablet
2022-11-01 09:37:49	jelle	alschaapman: don't be childish
2022-11-01 09:37:49	alschaapman	jelle: It's similar to dislike, but more intense
2022-11-01 09:37:52	rcf	jelle: former users of things tend to hate them quite a bit 
2022-11-01 09:38:32	jelle	rcf: rip
2022-11-01 09:38:48	alschaapman	I'm sure I wouldn't hate it if I didn't have to use it, but unfortunately I'm stuck with it. GNOME ideology infects GTK and as much as I'd like to I can't not use GTK.
2022-11-01 09:39:18	alschaapman	AND BELIEVE ME, I WOULD UNINSTALL EVERY GTK THING ON MY SYSTEM IF I COULD.
2022-11-01 09:39:26	jelle	go see a doctor please
2022-11-01 09:40:05	rcf	GNOME seemingly changed its overall approach so forcefully that formerly-happy users felt personally attacked. 
2022-11-01 09:40:39	alschaapman	rcf: Personally attacked? No. Frustrated with aggravation? Yes.
2022-11-01 09:40:50	susi	several months ago I uninstalled every Qt component depended thingie from my system, Gtk+ rules
2022-11-01 09:41:18	alschaapman	susi: Yeah homie, use whatever works for you
2022-11-01 09:42:45	rcf	Qt is currently developed by considerably less pleasant people. In the end both suck and Electron is now the real standard, a bit like how the overall Linux ecosystem is too unstable so Wine is a genuinely better target for a commercial release 
2022-11-01 09:43:31	BrainDamage	I want to run some html pages as desktop programs, so far I've used firefox but I've been bitten a few times by it "helpfully" deleting localstorage when drive space was running low ( we're talking deleting few MB worth of data ), would electron work? can I sanely backup localstorage?
2022-11-01 09:44:41	alschaapman	Alright, it would be fair to acknowledge that I'm a lot more familiar with dev controversies in GTK than in Qt. I personally like Qt a lot more but since GNOME developers being unpleasant is something I often criticize them for, I should mention that I don't have the same level of awareness about working with Qt
2022-11-01 09:45:10	alschaapman	Maybe they're just as bad
2022-11-01 09:45:40	alschaapman	Subsurface and LXQt seemed to have a very different take on the situation but beyond those examples I have little to go on
2022-11-01 09:46:02	glitsj16	BrainDamage: running those in separate firefox profile(s) and changing disk cache settings accordingly might improve things
2022-11-01 09:46:09	⚡ 	jelle moves alschaapman to offtopic :)
2022-11-01 09:46:17	alschaapman	Yes, let's
2022-11-01 09:51:52	BrainDamage	glitsj16: I've considered the former, but I haven't found any configuration to tweak the latter
2022-11-01 09:52:19	bwanda	how do i know if i have ssd or hdd?
2022-11-01 09:52:53	bwanda	NAME   ROTA
2022-11-01 09:52:56	bwanda	sda       1
2022-11-01 09:53:02	bwanda	does that mena i have hdd ?
2022-11-01 09:53:03	⚡ 	jelle reads to kick
2022-11-01 09:53:04	glitsj16	BrainDamage: open about:config, enter 'cache' and see what looks relevant?
2022-11-01 09:53:07	jelle	bwanda: no
2022-11-01 09:53:22	jelle	bwanda: post fdisk -l | grep "Disk model"
2022-11-01 09:54:39	bwanda	jelle: https://termbin.com/zzig
2022-11-01 09:54:59	jelle	bwanda: harddrive obviously :P
2022-11-01 09:55:16	bwanda	how did you know?
2022-11-01 09:55:23	BrainDamage	glitsj16: unless I am mistaken, cache is not localstorage, and while there are tunables for cache, there aren't for localstorage in the term of what I am asking for
2022-11-01 09:55:37	susi	bwanda: Disk model: WDC WD5000LPVX-2
2022-11-01 09:55:53	jelle	bwanda: I googled
2022-11-01 09:55:55	Ennea	BrainDamage, a thing i've tried for a small project of mine: my program is a few lines of python, and i'm using bottlepy to serve my static files and python to open the browser to point to bottle's web server. if you do that and also create a minimalistic replacement for localstorage that just does requests to bottle to store your stuff (you can literally replace the localStorage api in js with
2022-11-01 09:55:57	Ennea	that, even), then you'd have something relatively small (compared to electron) that does your job
2022-11-01 09:56:05	bwanda	ah ok
2022-11-01 09:56:10	bwanda	jelle
2022-11-01 09:56:19	Ennea	only downsides: non-nice URLs and the necessity to keep that server running (and some mechanism to kill it again)
2022-11-01 09:56:57	BrainDamage	if you query smartctl, you can get the information directly
2022-11-01 09:57:08	BrainDamage	like "Rotation Rate:    Solid State Device"
2022-11-01 09:57:31	Ennea	BrainDamage, perhaps redbean would also work for your use case (whatever the specific use case is): https://redbean.dev/
2022-11-01 09:57:33	phrik	Title: redbean (at redbean.dev)
2022-11-01 09:59:08	Ennea	or, heck, if you have multiple of these html pages, maybe write just a single small python script (or language of your choosing) that can replace the localStorage api and store your data in files or wherever, and then just replace the localStorage api in all those html files (same script for all) and keep that localStorage replacement running in the background always..?
2022-11-01 09:59:56	Furai	Uh, what the hell. I try to edit file name in new "files" for gnome and it just crashes silently. Nice.
2022-11-01 10:00:08	glitsj16	BrainDamage: PB (private browsing) mode, doesn't that disable localstorage, indexedDB etcetera?
2022-11-01 10:00:29	BrainDamage	glitsj16: I don't want to delete it, I want to preserve it
2022-11-01 10:00:49	BrainDamage	but in the case of low disk space, firefox deletes it
2022-11-01 10:01:25	Ennea	is that deletion documented anywhere, by the way?
2022-11-01 10:01:28	Ennea	didn't know that's a thing
2022-11-01 10:01:35	bwanda	does this ssd id good for archlinux https://www.amazon.in/dp/B08YYLRTZ3/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2?pd_rd_i=B08YYLRTZ3&pd_rd_w=1YXnh&content-id=amzn1.sym.b32f91ac-b5b6-42fe-a65e-2f6e68009092&pf_rd_p=b32f91ac-b5b6-42fe-a65e-2f6e68009092&pf_rd_r=T7VAGQZ0ZTMX3CW51A0J&pd_rd_wg=PwpWs&pd_rd_r=bf0332aa-ed80-43f2-b0ef-d925d0e0cf08&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWxfdGhlbWF0aWM&th=1 jelle sorry for long link.
2022-11-01 10:01:37	bwanda	and for highlighting you
2022-11-01 10:01:58	glitsj16	BrainDamage: understood, mis-interpreted your problem
2022-11-01 10:02:27	jelle	bwanda: I have no idea what the best price/quality ratio is for ssd's
2022-11-01 10:02:38	BrainDamage	yes, but I need to dig up the page
2022-11-01 10:02:48	bwanda	jelle: ohok
2022-11-01 10:03:30	BrainDamage	Ennea: sorry, but rewriting a lot of code of someone else, even if done in semi-automated way, is not I'd consider a decent nor robust solution
2022-11-01 10:04:49	bwanda	when i put my laptop up/down it hangs what could be the problem?
2022-11-01 10:05:11	bwanda	it could be the HDD issue?
2022-11-01 10:05:23	Ennea	BrainDamage, i dunno, replacing the localStorage api seems pretty neat to me, in various ways. robust, too. the Storage api (which localStorage is just an instance of) literally only ever deals with strings. you'd just replace a key value store, basically
2022-11-01 10:05:37	Ennea	only problem is sync vs async, i suppose
2022-11-01 10:07:06	bwanda	is it the hardware issue?
2022-11-01 10:07:49	bwanda	sorry
2022-11-01 10:08:07	Ennea	BrainDamage, if you do want to go the electron route, you should look into webview (which is a bit difficult to search..), which uses a common set of files for all instances, as opposed to shipping the browser binaries for every package
2022-11-01 10:08:12	BrainDamage	for one I only have a passing understanding of a browser's internals and absolutely no experience with javascript, I would simply have too many unknown unknowns to be able to do it in a robust way; and I am not looking forward to debug the edge cases
2022-11-01 10:08:27	Ennea	yea, that's fair
2022-11-01 10:09:42	BrainDamage	I don't need to distribute this to anyone else, I'd simply be using the system package and launch it in the various paths
2022-11-01 10:10:05	BrainDamage	so any sort of packaging system would be widely unnecessary
2022-11-01 10:11:00	Ennea	you know, i've never even considered using electron locally without packaging anything for some shenanigans that don't even need to be distributed
2022-11-01 10:11:08	Ennea	i don't even know if that's easily possible, but it probably is
2022-11-01 10:11:20	Ennea	in that case, why not give it a whirl? i imagine it would be quite painless for your use case, then
2022-11-01 10:13:04	BrainDamage	the reason why I am hesitant about electron is because I've been burned out of other desktop applications that don't seem to share resources, not sure if it's the consequence of each embedding their own electron bin or some intrinsec nature of the software
2022-11-01 10:13:39	BrainDamage	I'm ok with one extra GB used for a "browser" for those, but one 1GB for each page
2022-11-01 10:14:05	BrainDamage	but I guess I'll TIAS
2022-11-01 10:15:04	Ennea	yea, that's a good reason to be hesitant 😁
2022-11-01 10:15:42	Ennea	i might toy around with that localStorage replacement idea, just because it seems fun. i'll let you know if i can make it work easily
2022-11-01 10:17:40	BrainDamage	thanks
2022-11-01 10:24:21	solsTiCe	gnom 43 out. ok. the worst being, no extensions are supported anymore. we're to bare gnome shell :-(
2022-11-01 10:24:29	solsTiCe	+back+
2022-11-01 10:25:53	Ennea	oof
2022-11-01 10:26:02	Ennea	is that a gnome 43 thing, or a gnome 43 on arch thing?
2022-11-01 10:32:59	alschaapman	People are just noticing that a new GNOME release means a bunch of workflow-critical extensions stop working...?
2022-11-01 10:33:12	gr33n7007h	is there a way to get a list of all AUR package URI's? 
2022-11-01 10:33:27	jelle	alschaapman: can you please stop the negativity thanks
2022-11-01 10:34:10	BrainDamage	sounds like an xy problem, why do you need all the URIs?
2022-11-01 10:34:42	gr33n7007h	BrainDamage: i'm testing something, it's not an xy problem.
2022-11-01 10:35:15	BrainDamage	also, for my page thing, electron index.html seems to work ok-ish from a cursory inspection
2022-11-01 10:35:37	BrainDamage	would you mind explaining the "something"?
2022-11-01 10:36:10	alschaapman	It's almost like they should've never told everyone that relying on an API which promises constant breaking changes was a reasonable solution
2022-11-01 10:36:52	gr33n7007h	I want to test Typhoeus::Hydra (a ruby HTTP lib) Zlib
2022-11-01 10:37:25	jelle	alschaapman: maybe you are uninformed but they do contact popular extension creators to test their code on the latest gnome os 
2022-11-01 10:39:27	BrainDamage	you can clone the entiretiy of the aur on github, and iirc there's a db dump of the .SRCINFO
2022-11-01 10:41:38	gr33n7007h	BrainDamage: ah, ok, that'll work i suppose. thank you.
2022-11-01 10:42:07	BrainDamage	for clarification, the latter is not hosted on gh as a repo, it's a separate direct download, but I don't remember the url
2022-11-01 10:42:39	BrainDamage	in either case, I guess you're in for a long ass-processing
2022-11-01 10:43:13	gr33n7007h	how about i just download this: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.gz
2022-11-01 10:44:10	BrainDamage	that's just a name list, if you try to open it
2022-11-01 10:44:29	gr33n7007h	so, contains no URI's :(
2022-11-01 10:44:51	gr33n7007h	isn't there some JSON API endpoint?
2022-11-01 10:47:29	BrainDamage	found the thing I was thinking of
2022-11-01 10:47:47	BrainDamage	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages-meta-ext-v1.json.gz
2022-11-01 10:48:20	BrainDamage	have fun parsing a 50MB json
2022-11-01 10:49:31	gr33n7007h	i guess i can gzip packages.gz loop through packages and feed it to https://aur.archlinux.org/rpc/?v=5&type=search&arg=package
2022-11-01 10:50:02	gr33n7007h	oh, sweet, you found it!
2022-11-01 10:50:18	gr33n7007h	parsing the JSON is the easy bit xD
2022-11-01 10:52:32	Ennea	not if you work at rockstar and write a json parser for gta 5 ;)
2022-11-01 10:52:53	gr33n7007h	Ennea: i suspect not ;)
2022-11-01 10:57:59	gr33n7007h	BrainDamage: Thanks, i got a list of all package URI's now :)
2022-11-01 10:58:31	BlackDex	regarding gnome 43, does anybody else also have a broken quicksettings dropdown?
2022-11-01 10:58:38	BlackDex	All icon's are really large for me
2022-11-01 10:58:52	BlackDex	I tried to disable all extensions, reverted themes etc..
2022-11-01 11:00:55	gr33n7007h	wow, 85,000+ lol
2022-11-01 11:01:21	MrElendig	BlackDex: screenshot?
2022-11-01 11:03:48	BlackDex	MrElendig: https://paste.pics/afd465d5172c615113906b44bdca5bc6
2022-11-01 11:03:49	phrik	Title: Screenshot, 2022-11-01 13:03:31 - Paste.Pics (at paste.pics)
2022-11-01 11:04:20	MrElendig	BlackDex: looks like you have either overriden the icons, or are missing the correct icon package
2022-11-01 11:04:44	MrElendig	test with a new user
2022-11-01 11:04:52	MrElendig	actually, a lot more than that is broken
2022-11-01 11:04:59	MrElendig	post pacman -Qm
2022-11-01 11:05:33	MrElendig	flatpak list too 
2022-11-01 11:05:40	BlackDex	hmi don't have flatpak
2022-11-01 11:07:54	BlackDex	https://pastebin.com/N6u9sSpQ
2022-11-01 11:07:55	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oYDA.jCZLvUgX
2022-11-01 11:07:55	phrik	Title: pacman -Qm - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-11-01 11:08:58	MrElendig	please use a sane pastebin like bpaste
2022-11-01 11:09:17	BlackDex	It has been repasted to 0x0 already, that sane enough?
2022-11-01 11:09:41	sph	does anyone have experience using lemonbar+stalonetray together?
2022-11-01 11:09:49	MrElendig	does it also happen with a new user?
2022-11-01 11:09:56	BlackDex	ill check one moment
2022-11-01 11:11:41	BlackDex	MrElendig: Yes
2022-11-01 11:11:50	BlackDex	Created a new user called clean, same issue
2022-11-01 11:12:01	solsTiCe	here, even compatible extensions are oturned off. I mean the switch stays greyed out. and can't be activated...
2022-11-01 11:12:02	MrElendig	doublecheck your mirror status and -Syu and relog
2022-11-01 11:12:21	BlackDex	ok, ill check again, did that a few times already.
2022-11-01 11:12:36	MrElendig	including the mirror status?
2022-11-01 11:12:50	BlackDex	yes
2022-11-01 11:12:58	MrElendig	pacman -Qs gnome
2022-11-01 11:12:58	BlackDex	reflector --protocol https --age 1
2022-11-01 11:13:09	⚡ 	MrElendig doesn't trust reflector
2022-11-01 11:13:09	BlackDex	that should do the trick right
2022-11-01 11:13:13	BlackDex	hmm
2022-11-01 11:13:28	solsTiCe	oops. "disable all exxtensions" was checked /o\
2022-11-01 11:13:46	MrElendig	the screenshot shows extensions enabled
2022-11-01 11:13:56	BlackDex	my screenshot?
2022-11-01 11:14:17	BlackDex	all extensions are disabled
2022-11-01 11:14:52	BlackDex	used the extensions tool provided by Gnome it self to disable them all
2022-11-01 11:17:01	BlackDex	MrElendig: well i enabled the global ones, and that gave the same results
2022-11-01 11:17:38	BlackDex	https://bpa.st/U4CQ
2022-11-01 11:17:40	phrik	Title: View paste U4CQ (at bpa.st)
2022-11-01 11:21:16	MrElendig	BlackDex: -Qkk 1>/dev/null
2022-11-01 11:22:18	MrElendig	can you do a full screenshot of the new user too (with the quick settings open)
2022-11-01 11:27:04	BlackDex	MrElendig: https://0x0.st/oYk1.png
2022-11-01 11:27:20	jelle	wow that is big :o
2022-11-01 11:27:26	MrElendig	that doesn't look like vanilla gnome at all
2022-11-01 11:27:56	MrElendig	must be something installed system wide, possibly by hand since I didn't spot anything obvious in the -Qm list
2022-11-01 11:28:17	MrElendig	(or you have a third party/custom repo)
2022-11-01 11:28:42	MrElendig	though maybe one of the theme packages are doing evil things?
2022-11-01 11:29:57	BlackDex	and the pacman output: https://bpa.st/5JXQ
2022-11-01 11:29:59	phrik	Title: View paste 5JXQ (at bpa.st)
2022-11-01 11:30:24	MrElendig	try getting rid of all the custom theme packages like flat-remix
2022-11-01 11:30:27	BlackDex	ill try to uninstall the other themes, and reinstall the default gnomes
2022-11-01 11:30:30	MrElendig	flat-remix-gnome
2022-11-01 11:31:16	MrElendig	hmm check org.gnome.shell.extensions.user-theme as the new user
2022-11-01 11:32:38	BlackDex	that extensions isn't there it looks like
2022-11-01 11:32:51	MrElendig	dconf read  /org/gnome/shell/extensions/user-theme/name
2022-11-01 11:33:08	MrElendig	if I remember the path right
2022-11-01 11:33:37	BlackDex	for the clean user?
2022-11-01 11:33:51	MrElendig	yes
2022-11-01 11:33:55	BlackDex	for mine it's '' at aleast
2022-11-01 11:34:02	MrElendig	assuming that screenshot was from the clean user
2022-11-01 11:34:13	BlackDex	that with the blueish background, yes
2022-11-01 11:34:15	xecuter	hiho, last night i have chroot grub rescuing my linux, because only efi startet and all away. now.... if i reboot, i can not see my grub-menu again! ;((((
2022-11-01 11:34:39	MrElendig	grub-install with the --removable flag
2022-11-01 11:35:02	MrElendig	if grub isn't listed in the boot selector
2022-11-01 11:36:47	BlackDex	MrElendig: for my current user it's '', for the clean user it returns nothing
2022-11-01 11:40:01	xecuter	after emergency repair, with  grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=esp --bootloader-id=linux   it didnt worked
2022-11-01 11:40:52	xecuter	one problem was in the tutorial because i do not understand if i have to mount /dev/nvmeX1  with /mnt/esp or with /mnt/esp
2022-11-01 11:41:46	xecuter	without a plan i installed grub-customizer and atm i could booting
2022-11-01 11:42:35	xecuter	at the first and second booting i seen grub-menu, that Arch linux named linux linux + lts + uefi + memtest
2022-11-01 11:43:11	xecuter	last thing, i edit linux linux in arch linux. now i do not see a grub-menu if i reboot.
2022-11-01 11:43:21	xecuter	i do not know if it is logic. \0/
2022-11-01 11:46:31	MrElendig	xecuter: it really sounds like you should consider a different distro, I suggest fc37 when it comes out
2022-11-01 11:46:46	BlackDex	MrElendig: so... i uninstalled all other themes, reinstalled gnome-shell, gnome-session, and that seems to have solved it after a reboot
2022-11-01 11:46:55	xecuter	my primary conflict is just, that if i reboot, that i so, do not come into uefi-firmware, if i starting my computer, because the first point what i can see - is loading drivers of arch linux and a second later i am in the linux login meno
2022-11-01 11:47:21	MrElendig	BlackDex: theme package was possibly doing some evil overrides system wide
2022-11-01 11:47:28	BlackDex	Looks like it
2022-11-01 11:47:47	BlackDex	I don't like Adwaita, but looks like i have to use it fow now
2022-11-01 11:47:49	BlackDex	for now
2022-11-01 11:48:33	BlackDex	I want to have a but less large headers
2022-11-01 11:48:46	xecuter	hmm as i had arch installed for years. this problem i didnt have. now i no understand it, that is sad ;(
2022-11-01 11:49:57	MrElendig	xecuter: what did you touch since you fixed it yesterday, and does grub show in the boot selector?
2022-11-01 11:50:06	BlackDex	So, if anyone knows if a less space-taking theme, which is dark, and works with gnome 43, that would be cool
2022-11-01 11:50:20	MrElendig	BlackDex: there are some themes that have been updated for 43
2022-11-01 11:50:33	MrElendig	flat-remix is not one of them
2022-11-01 11:50:59	BlackDex	nope, that isn't indeed
2022-11-01 11:53:16	xecuter	MrElendig: i just, booted live image of arch via usb. that i did tried some tutorials. mostly problem , no efi supported. so i had mount a lot, the last thing, i boot, see grub-menu and started arch linux. now if reboot, i do not see grub-menu. until the moment of loading arch kernel, i see black screen for ~5sec and arch is ready.
2022-11-01 11:53:40	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-01 11:54:19	xecuter	but mostly im unsecure, because the tutorial was hmmm very clear
2022-11-01 11:54:39	MrElendig	read the wiki, not random tutorals
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2022-11-01 11:58:05	xecuter	the random tutorial is from arch wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.de/title/Chroot_(Arch_reparieren)
2022-11-01 11:58:06	phrik	Title: Chroot (Arch reparieren) – wiki.archlinux.de (at wiki.archlinux.de)
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2022-11-01 12:06:13	BlackDex	anyway, Thanks MrElendig for the nice walkthrough of commands to find the issue :)
2022-11-01 12:07:09	BlackDex	I probably would have ended up with removing those packages, but the other commands were nice, maybe i can spot some other strange issues also
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2022-11-01 12:19:17	BlackDex	I think i have found a nice theme. Colloid :). It has a compact version, which is very nice
2022-11-01 12:19:41	stefanc_diff	good thing that the openssl  3.0.5-1 is in the staging repos for arch - https://snyk.io/blog/new-openssl-critical-vulnerability/
2022-11-01 12:19:42	phrik	Title: New OpenSSL critical vulnerability: What you need to know | Snyk (at snyk.io)
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2022-11-01 12:21:33	MrElendig	stefanc_diff: should have rewritten it in rust
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2022-11-01 12:35:15	dagle	MrElendig: Some how I think openssl would have failed at that.
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2022-11-01 12:35:43	dagle	Writing their own malloc and having 25%+ of the code using unsafe.
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2022-11-01 12:37:11	xecuter	hmmm i see it is not a grub problem. it is a typical a$r0ck uefi-firmware problem! -.- 
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2022-11-01 12:46:28	xecuter	just 1 thing: what "benchmark" tool you can recommend? i want max. usage of power supply for a test.
2022-11-01 12:46:47	MrElendig	phoronix test suite
2022-11-01 12:46:57	MrElendig	run all the benchmarks
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2022-11-01 12:47:39	BrainDamage	at the same time?
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2022-11-01 12:52:25	xecuter	xD is that possible?
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2022-11-01 12:56:35	artefact	if you want max power use, just run heaven w/o vsync and mprime (torture preset 2) in the background
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2022-11-01 12:57:50	MrElendig	needs more gpu load
2022-11-01 12:58:03	artefact	it power limits my gpu at 230w
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2022-11-01 13:08:57	xecuter	phoronix-test-suite run unigine-heaven  :)
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2022-11-01 13:12:07	xecuter	i have no gpu. i want to test apu. and that because external power supply.
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2022-11-01 13:12:36	xecuter	it is a 120W power supply
2022-11-01 13:12:53	MrElendig	more than enough for any apu
2022-11-01 13:13:15	MrElendig	unless you go crazy with overclocking
2022-11-01 13:13:28	xecuter	ja but nobody has got just a apu in a computer..... +ssd +ram +wifi ++++ all need energy
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2022-11-01 13:14:28	jelle	apu without ram. right
2022-11-01 13:14:47	damjan	huh, why does the package `smbclient` optionally depend on python-markdown
2022-11-01 13:15:15	xecuter	or RAM with OC :)
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2022-11-01 13:16:25	damjan	'python-markdown: for samba-tool domain schemeupgrade' - but I don't see that tool
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2022-11-01 13:21:00	MrElendig	xecuter: doesn't take that much
2022-11-01 13:21:59	MrElendig	a 5800g system with a few disks, 32gb of ram etc will max out at about 80w
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2022-11-01 13:23:38	Namarrgon	damjan: samba-tool is in the main samba package, the opt-dep was probably forgotten when they were split
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2022-11-01 13:47:20	kavothe	anyone here use dk window manager? If so can someone tell me how to configure multiple monitors?
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2022-11-01 13:48:15	kavothe	I've the example config, but I can't understand certain things on it.
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2022-11-01 18:00:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-11-01 18:00:12	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1448 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1447 normals)
2022-11-01 15:36:29	CRCinAU	the fact that you have to hack into the heart of gnome to fix stuff means breakage to the very core ;)
2022-11-01 15:36:57	CRCinAU	but alas, the amount of garbage people will put up with to not have to fiddle all the time is pretty high...
2022-11-01 15:36:58	Psi-Jack	Well... Yeah, this I have to agree with even if the GNOME devs claim otherwise.
2022-11-01 15:37:26	CRCinAU	like, tell me for the love of god why I can't even change the colours in the Gnome Console ;)
2022-11-01 15:37:31	Psi-Jack	I'm glad at the VERY least, I don't have to install an extension to change my sound output device!
2022-11-01 15:37:32	Psi-Jack	FINALLY!
2022-11-01 15:37:51	Ennea	oof, you needed an extension for that?
2022-11-01 15:37:53	Ennea	that's rough
2022-11-01 15:37:57	Psi-Jack	CRCinAU: I use Tilix in quake mode.
2022-11-01 15:38:03	Psi-Jack	Ennea: USed to.
2022-11-01 15:38:14	Psi-Jack	Now it's built-in, at least for the /output/ device.
2022-11-01 15:38:40	Psi-Jack	Input you can go into the audio settings within the same drop-down list to change input, which I don't have to do often, but it's there if I do.
2022-11-01 15:38:59	CRCinAU	yeah - I used to install pulse-mixer or somethign for that
2022-11-01 15:39:16	CRCinAU	but its almost like at release 43, we have basic functionality working again hahahah
2022-11-01 15:39:46	Psi-Jack	Well, in XFCE there's a panel extension for it. In Gnome 42 and prior there was several extensions to allow for it, only one or two worth it.
2022-11-01 15:40:28	Psi-Jack	Now to find out what's binding Super+Space so I can fix that to work with Ulauncher again,.
2022-11-01 15:41:29	Ennea	super+space.. ibus?
2022-11-01 15:42:25	Psi-Jack	Hmm, ibus is not running.
2022-11-01 15:42:47	CRCinAU	at least I can install Brave via AUR - and audio and video actually works out of the box
2022-11-01 15:42:51	Scimmia	WhyNotHugo: WTF did you just do?
2022-11-01 15:43:02	Psi-Jack	Bleh No thanks (re: Brave)
2022-11-01 15:43:51	WhyNotHugo	Scimmia: Not sure -- I reverted it immediately.
2022-11-01 15:44:37	artefact	systemd seems to really want to move to vendored initrds
2022-11-01 15:45:06	Psi-Jack	There we go. It was the org.gnome.mutter overlay-key binding on Super_L, nothing more.
2022-11-01 15:45:33	Psi-Jack	Now my Ulauncher works fine again. heh
2022-11-01 15:46:22	WhyNotHugo	vendored initrd < mkinitramfs
2022-11-01 15:48:54	CRCinAU	hmmm - what's a good font set to install? I'm getting a few apps showing boxes instead of text :P
2022-11-01 15:50:39	artefact	!give CRCinAU aw Fonts
2022-11-01 15:50:39	phrik	CRCinAU: Fonts - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fonts
2022-11-01 15:51:13	Psi-Jack	CRCinAU: Here's what I have from packages, I have more in ~/.local/share/fonts though: https://paste.linux-help.org/?9451d3416a871258#5bf2Gu56Kovm2hMThxxQbV9gjR5ZUgA2uWErxJAVYpkJ
2022-11-01 15:51:15	phrik	Title: Linux-Help PrivateBin (at paste.linux-help.org)
2022-11-01 15:51:43	CRCinAU	I just found this too: https://gist.github.com/YoEight/d19112db56cd8f93835bf2d009d617f7
2022-11-01 15:52:30	Psi-Jack	Yeah, looks, not so good.
2022-11-01 15:52:47	ishitatsuyuki	CRCinAU: if you mean asian fonts, noto-fonts-cjk
2022-11-01 15:53:15	Psi-Jack	Especially seeing that infinality is pretty much... Dead. 
2022-11-01 15:54:09	Edu4rdSHL	I can't trust a gist about Arch that have a `pacman -Syy $packages` command
2022-11-01 15:54:19	Psi-Jack	heh
2022-11-01 15:54:22	CRCinAU	heh - I only did the top bits - cos that kinda seems like what I did on Fedora anyway
2022-11-01 15:54:24	Psi-Jack	Yeah, that's also bad.
2022-11-01 15:55:05	Psi-Jack	But, then again... Syntaxually, pacman is literally the worst of the worst in package managers/repository managers.
2022-11-01 15:56:00	cyphertite_	CRCinAU:  wow...^that link, really?
2022-11-01 15:56:18	Psi-Jack	Yeah, that link is absolutely horrible.
2022-11-01 15:56:30	Psi-Jack	That gist...
2022-11-01 15:56:33	jelle	cyphertite_: no link shaming ;-)
2022-11-01 15:57:02	astralc	the files it link does not even exist where it reference exist
2022-11-01 15:57:14	Psi-Jack	Well, it's 2 years old...
2022-11-01 15:57:19	Edu4rdSHL	If you installs the packages they are
2022-11-01 15:57:24	Edu4rdSHL	install *
2022-11-01 15:57:51	astralc	following 2 year old guide for something in arch is like russian roulette sometimes
2022-11-01 16:02:19	artefact	press play on tape
2022-11-01 16:04:48	Psi-Jack	Hopefully that's not a C64 data cassette tape.
2022-11-01 16:07:07	CRCinAU	ZX Spectrum baby
2022-11-01 16:14:43	cyphertite_	jelle:  feel free to ban me for shamelessly 'link shaming', but obviously you can/have read the concurrent/congruent comments ;-)
2022-11-01 16:32:27	Psi-Jack	Though, wow... Back in Gnome 43, from XFCE, and playing a simple scrolling game like Final Fantasy V, and I'm seeing the ever loved screen tearing effect.
2022-11-01 16:33:04	MrElendig	welcome to xorg
2022-11-01 16:33:49	Psi-Jack	I had no issues on XFCE with this. 😛
2022-11-01 16:34:06	jelle	that's logical
2022-11-01 16:35:04	MrElendig	gnome on wayland?
2022-11-01 16:35:24	MrElendig	and tearing is heavily timing dependent, so it can change due to pretty much anyting
2022-11-01 16:35:58	Ennea	vsync to the rescue
2022-11-01 16:36:22	MrElendig	vfr you mean
2022-11-01 16:36:25	yitz	Is anyone familiar with the OOMkiller? Occasionally I have a Python process that uses too much mem and OOMkiller kills it ... and the shell that spawned it and the gnu-screen session that spawned the shell. How's OOMkiller pick the process and how..
2022-11-01 16:36:29	yitz	... can I indicate that the process is semi-independent from screen in terms of killing?
2022-11-01 16:36:34	Psi-Jack	Yeah, there's no apparentl VSync setting in FFV Pixel Remaster.
2022-11-01 16:37:15	MrElendig	yitz: kinda, depends on which oomkiller you use, and cgroups
2022-11-01 16:37:19	Psi-Jack	Though I changed my displays to use 165Hz instead of 60Hz and it's fine now.
2022-11-01 16:37:41	yitz	MrElendig: I can pick oomkillers?!? Can you point me to more info?
2022-11-01 16:38:34	MrElendig	also depends on how you are running the software
2022-11-01 16:38:45	yitz	Is there an easy way to change a shell's cgroup?
2022-11-01 16:38:46	MrElendig	yitz: see systemd-oomd as a start 
2022-11-01 16:38:51	yitz	I'm just running a command directly from the shell
2022-11-01 16:39:41	MrElendig	consider systemd-run with a memory limit
2022-11-01 16:39:55	MrElendig	or of course; fix the code
2022-11-01 16:41:00	yitz	Or get more memory? repod integration tests triggered and OOM and Advent of Code code does, too, sometimes. The latter tends to be _while_ I am working on the code :) 
2022-11-01 16:45:58	MrElendig	4gb of ram?
2022-11-01 16:46:10	MrElendig	filling /tmp with crap?
2022-11-01 16:53:57	friday13	hi
2022-11-01 17:08:49	mingdao	How do I get more fonts listed in Gnome Terminal's Custom Font under Preferences?
2022-11-01 17:09:17	yitz	MrElendig: I have 2GB ram :(
2022-11-01 17:09:56	Scimmia	on a 64-bit system? That's unusual
2022-11-01 17:10:06	Psi-Jack	Quite unusual yes...
2022-11-01 17:10:42	MrElendig	yitz: core2 or something like that?
2022-11-01 17:10:48	yitz	Intel NUC
2022-11-01 17:10:57	MrElendig	ddr3?
2022-11-01 17:11:07	yitz	Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU J3455 @ 1.50GHz
2022-11-01 17:11:31	MrElendig	you can get 2x8gb ddr3 for 50 bucks
2022-11-01 17:11:36	MrElendig	if it supports that much
2022-11-01 17:11:49	yitz	Uh... I'm not sure how to check the RAM type
2022-11-01 17:11:59	Psi-Jack	Yeah, 2GB is not enough RAM to do much of anything these days.
2022-11-01 17:12:04	yitz	The power supply is only 30W. I'm not sure how much room is in the case.
2022-11-01 17:12:26	yitz	2GB RAM works quite well for me for most things. It's a headless system that runs IRC and some daemons and Python.
2022-11-01 17:12:31	Psi-Jack	8GB is a basic bare minimum for basic use. 16GB would be much better.
2022-11-01 17:12:38	MrElendig	yitz: its most likely ddr3 sodimm
2022-11-01 17:12:48	Psi-Jack	Heck, headless system running small services, 512MB may be enough.
2022-11-01 17:12:53	MrElendig	either single or dual slot, 
2022-11-01 17:12:59	MrElendig	hopefully not soldered
2022-11-01 17:13:16	yitz	Yeah. 512 is enough for most things for me. 2GB is plenty for pretty much anything ... except Python processes run amok.
2022-11-01 17:13:22	MrElendig	some of those systems support 16gb total, but many maxes out at 8
2022-11-01 17:13:35	MrElendig	official support is 8gb iirc
2022-11-01 17:13:41	yitz	I'd rather figure out how to tweak the OOMkiller than buy more memory which I don't need.
2022-11-01 17:13:44	Psi-Jack	yitz: Yep. I even run Plex Media Server on 2GB RAM.
2022-11-01 17:13:55	Psi-Jack	...
2022-11-01 17:13:58	Psi-Jack	Good luck then.
2022-11-01 17:14:07	ChrisWarrick	mingdao: install them to /usr/share/fonts? (also, it probably filters out non-monospace fonts)
2022-11-01 17:14:26	Psi-Jack	ChrisWarrick: Looks like, yes. Possibly more.
2022-11-01 17:14:27	yitz	Thanks! MrElendig pointed me to some interesting systemd pages to read.
2022-11-01 17:14:35	MrElendig	yitz: go to the used market, can probably pick up a 8gb for a tenner
2022-11-01 17:14:56	yitz	MrElendig: I'm interested in understanding and tweaking the OOMkiller, not throwing more RAM at the issue.
2022-11-01 17:15:16	yitz	If my process is run amok, having more RAM just means it'll hang for longer before getting killed.
2022-11-01 17:15:46	MrElendig	2gb is simply not enough really
2022-11-01 17:15:53	Psi-Jack	☝️ 
2022-11-01 17:16:09	yitz	MrElendig: Maybe not for you. It has been for me for years :)
2022-11-01 17:16:16	Psi-Jack	Your Web browser alone would eat that for lunch.
2022-11-01 17:16:26	yitz	nginx is quite happy on that box
2022-11-01 17:16:34	KeiraT	i have a tweaked EarlyOOM config and zram set up on my rpi and my other server because neither have much ram, both work really well, i don't know about oomkiller but earlyoom lets you specify which apps you don't want it to terminate, and you can also configure how aggressive it is
2022-11-01 17:16:42	jelle	yitz: what are you running on it?
2022-11-01 17:16:56	yitz	Advent of Code solutions tend to either work just fine or OOM. 2GB for 8GB isn't going to change that.
2022-11-01 17:17:13	mingdao	ChrisWarrick: The font I am using on urxvt is at /home/mingdao/fonts/Monaco_Linux.ttf and /usr/share/fonts/TTF/Monaco_Linux.ttf, but only 7 fonts are listed in the Preferences, and it's not one, and I can't figure out how to get it available.  It's also available in Terminator preferences, and used there.
2022-11-01 17:17:17	yitz	jelle: nginx, irssi, vim, Python daemons and services, a handful of other junk.
2022-11-01 17:17:18	Psi-Jack	Yeah, nginx sounds like this is a home "server".
2022-11-01 17:17:35	yitz	Psi-Jack: Yes. This is a server that lives on the top shelf of my house pantry :)
2022-11-01 17:17:37	ChrisWarrick	mingdao: https://askubuntu.com/questions/362633/using-installed-fonts-in-gnome-terminal
2022-11-01 17:17:38	phrik	Title: Using installed fonts in gnome-terminal - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
2022-11-01 17:17:42	jelle	yitz: sounds fine
2022-11-01 17:17:48	Psi-Jack	Gotcha, 2GB is fine then.
2022-11-01 17:17:55	yitz	jelle: And it's worked wonderfully for years! 
2022-11-01 17:17:57	ChrisWarrick	mingdao: classic gnome, you need workarounds and terminal incantations to get it to work
2022-11-01 17:18:05	jelle	yitz: then why does it oom now?
2022-11-01 17:18:06	Psi-Jack	You just might have, as you said, python stuff run amok and so, you need to manage OOM properly.
2022-11-01 17:18:16	bluetail	why is nginx sounding like home server?
2022-11-01 17:18:21	yitz	Which is why it's odd that I'm insisting I'm quite happy with my setup when others are insisting I need more RAM...
2022-11-01 17:18:43	yitz	jelle: It OOMs occasionally when I write bad Python code. Or, once, on a repod Python integration test.
2022-11-01 17:19:00	Psi-Jack	bluetail: because webserver on Intel NUC.
2022-11-01 17:19:09	yitz	Psi-Jack: I agree. That's why I came in here and asked how to tweak the oom killer :)
2022-11-01 17:19:17	jelle	yitz: well then either get more ram or tweak zram/swap
2022-11-01 17:19:27	mingdao	ChrisWarrick: I really don't like Gnome Terminal, and have used urxvt for ~20 years.  I've just been working with a few issues that urxvt has, and trying different terminals.  Gnome Terminal seemed to solve one issue, but has others.  Terminator and urxvt have one issue in common, but fonts are fine.
2022-11-01 17:19:29	Psi-Jack	yitz: Yeah, systemd-oomd would be a great start, though there's no perfect answers.
2022-11-01 17:19:32	yitz	jelle: Or not write bad code?
2022-11-01 17:19:38	jelle	yitz: lol
2022-11-01 17:19:49	Psi-Jack	And yeah, stop writing bad code.
2022-11-01 17:19:55	Psi-Jack	Just stop it! 🙂
2022-11-01 17:19:59	ChrisWarrick	mingdao: gnome software tends to suck
2022-11-01 17:20:00	yitz	Competition code tends to either work just fine or burn through memory hard.
2022-11-01 17:20:26	yitz	When I'm racing to solve Advent of Code and make it into the top 100 solutions, it's hard to write good code quickly.
2022-11-01 17:20:44	Psi-Jack	No idea what this "Advent of Code" thing is you mentioned.
2022-11-01 17:21:24	yitz	Psi-Jack: It's fun!! It's a Christmas-Advent style coding puzzle that runs every year. There's a fun story line and daily puzzles for 25 days leading up to Christmas
2022-11-01 17:21:54	yitz	There's a 2-part puzzle every day with input data for your program and the solution is an integer value.
2022-11-01 17:22:06	Psi-Jack	Eh.. Sounds unimportant and unexciting to me. Though, I'm a Systems Engineer, not a Software Engineer. 🙂
2022-11-01 17:22:10	yitz	http://adventofcode.com
2022-11-01 17:22:12	phrik	Title: Advent of Code 2022 (at adventofcode.com)
2022-11-01 17:22:18	Psi-Jack	I don't eat, drink and sleep code.
2022-11-01 17:22:25	yitz	I'm a Site Reliability Engineer but I enjoy coding puzzles
2022-11-01 17:22:50	Psi-Jack	Heh, SRE... Always hated that "title", as itself is ... 
2022-11-01 17:23:14	yitz	is..?
2022-11-01 17:23:15	Psi-Jack	Google and Facebook tried to hire me with that title, I turned them both down after asking them what that role actually does and at what pay.
2022-11-01 17:23:32	yitz	FB does Production Engineering, not SRE
2022-11-01 17:23:45	Psi-Jack	They have/had SRE's too.
2022-11-01 17:24:06	yitz	Huh. Interesting
2022-11-01 17:24:15	Psi-Jack	Like I said, I turned them down, face to face.
2022-11-01 17:24:23	MrElendig	yitz: just pretend you are coding in the 80's
2022-11-01 17:24:34	Psi-Jack	Hah!
2022-11-01 17:24:40	MrElendig	and you only have kilobytes of ram to play with
2022-11-01 17:24:43	yitz	lol
2022-11-01 17:24:51	jelle	just don't write rust
2022-11-01 17:24:55	Psi-Jack	You'll never need more than 640KB of RAM.
2022-11-01 17:25:25	MrElendig	jelle: or just compile it in a gh action :p
2022-11-01 17:25:34	jelle	hehe
2022-11-01 17:25:42	yitz	I try! Advent of Code problems tend to give you puzzles that can be solved naively ... with a ton of mem/CPU, or smartly with not-too-many resources. Most puzzles can be solved in under 1 second runtime if done right. Or hours, done wrong.
2022-11-01 17:26:13	yitz	It's just annoying when I do it wrong inside screen and the killer takes out the whole screen session, with my IRC client
2022-11-01 17:28:09	Psi-Jack	I'm curious why you have an IRC client on there./
2022-11-01 17:28:10	mingdao	ChrisWarrick: Agreed.  I have 2TB Samsung SSD 870 I got for a client's computer to replace what his msinfo32 said was a 250GB Seagate SATA drive, only to get the PC and find it already have been replaced by a SSD.  I'm going to install Arch on it with a chroot from my running Arch this week and go back to Fluxbox, where I was content for well over a decade.
2022-11-01 17:28:41	yitz	Psi-Jack: because I'm too lazy to use a bouncer. I run irssi in screen so I have IRC running 24/7 and accessible from anywhere.
2022-11-01 17:28:46	jelle	yitz: new tmux session?
2022-11-01 17:29:15	yitz	jelle: Yeah. That would do the job. But I'm usually not disciplined enough and just run it in the existing screen session.
2022-11-01 17:29:23	Psi-Jack	znc is pretty low memory and an easy pacman install away. 🙂
2022-11-01 17:29:36	Psi-Jack	In fact... lower memory than irssi would be. 🙂
2022-11-01 17:29:41	yitz	After the OOM killer takes out irssi once or twice, I get better and running the code in a new terminal
2022-11-01 17:30:02	mingdao	ChrisWarrick: I have been told of a patched urxvt /31
2022-11-01 17:30:08	mingdao	oops
2022-11-01 17:30:10	yitz	Psi-Jack: Sure. But I've been using irssi for over a decade and I don't want to learn a new setup when the existing once works perfectly fine :P
2022-11-01 17:30:23	yitz	I'd still need to run a client somewhere
2022-11-01 17:30:24	Psi-Jack	You could continue to use irssi, on the desktop.
2022-11-01 17:31:24	mingdao	ChrisWarrick: I have been told of a patched urxvt https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/rxvt-unicode-truecolor-wide-glyphs but it didn't work well for me.  Think I'll just apply patience and go it again when I get rid of Guhnome.
2022-11-01 17:31:26	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - rxvt-unicode-truecolor-wide-glyphs (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-11-01 17:31:56	ChrisWarrick	mingdao: you might also want to try konsole, yakuake, perhaps mate-terminal
2022-11-01 17:32:25	mingdao	yitz: Since I switched from screen to tmux, it's been quite pleasant.  I start all my terminal sessions from a starttmux.sh script, also.  One window is to router, where irssi runs in tmux always.  Just like you mentioned.
2022-11-01 17:32:28	Psi-Jack	tilix as well.
2022-11-01 17:32:58	yitz	Psi-Jack: I'd want to SSH into a host somewhere to access irssi. I'm already SSHing into the home server. There's no benefit to moving the client to another host just to run a bouncer.
2022-11-01 17:33:08	Psi-Jack	I use tilix and pretty much only tilix, and only one instance of it, with my uber nice customized tmux setup.
2022-11-01 17:33:31	Psi-Jack	yitz: I will refraim from further comments. Good luck. 🙂
2022-11-01 17:33:55	yitz	mingdao: I probably ought to switch but it's hard when I've been using screen for 15+ years :s I do have my screen sessions all started via systemd, though!
2022-11-01 17:33:58	yitz	Psi-Jack: thanks!
2022-11-01 17:34:44	Psi-Jack	mingdao: I use tmux locally, and remotely, in the same tmux local session I switch to remote controlling the remote tmux session and back to local as needed. 🙂
2022-11-01 17:35:10	Psi-Jack	And no, not with changing bindings for local sessions, just switching which one's active and which one's not, and representing it visually.
2022-11-01 17:37:45	yitz	I also stumbled over `choom`, which looks like I can use it to run a Python script and explicitly mark it high for OOM killing
2022-11-01 17:39:26	Psi-Jack	From util-linux, yep yep. There's that. And/or cgroups.
2022-11-01 17:39:40	Psi-Jack	I mean, cgroups and proper systemd service units would be the most ideal.
2022-11-01 17:39:54	Psi-Jack	Prevent things from happening and if they do, they are already autohandled.
2022-11-01 17:40:27	yitz	systemd service units are great for ... services. Less so for me running a Python script once to get an output
2022-11-01 17:40:28	mingdao	ChrisWarrick: I really want to stick with urxvt, if possible, but this one tmux config https://github.com/gpakosz/.tmux is not working in urxvt.  It's pretty close in Terminator, though my font colors, such as in irssi, aren't correct: https://0x0.st/oYh9.png
2022-11-01 17:40:54	ChrisWarrick	mingdao: which colors are incorrect?
2022-11-01 17:41:19	mingdao	yitz: I was a screen user for over 15y when I switched to tmux, also.  It did take some getting used to, but now I wouldn't go back to screen any more than I'd use Windows as an OS.
2022-11-01 17:41:21	ChrisWarrick	mingdao: the basic 16 ANSI colors are usually configurable
2022-11-01 17:42:59	yitz	mingdao: I'll have to make an effort to give tmux another go
2022-11-01 17:43:10	mingdao	ChrisWarrick: Here is a screenshot of the colors in urxvt for comparison: https://0x0.st/oYhW.png
2022-11-01 17:43:16	yitz	mingdao: did you set up screen-like bindings for tmux or are you using the default tmux bindings?
2022-11-01 17:43:18	another	Psi-Jack: Do you forward the tmux unix socket?
2022-11-01 17:43:44	mingdao	yitz: I can share some tmux.conf with you in a DM, where we don't have PC (personal choice) and opinion bashing.
2022-11-01 17:43:54	susi	mingdao: seems to work with my urxvt https://0x0.st/oYh4.png
2022-11-01 17:44:11	Psi-Jack	another: No, I just make tmux init load a configuration based on local or ssh/remote session, and pre-load a configuration accordingly. And send a sequence to the remote when changing state.
2022-11-01 17:44:14	ChrisWarrick	mingdao: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1043157/set-colors-for-terminator-to-terminals
2022-11-01 17:44:16	phrik	Title: command line - Set colors for terminator to terminal's - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
2022-11-01 17:44:16	susi	at least the colors do
2022-11-01 17:44:24	Psi-Jack	So, both can react and change configuration and status bars.
2022-11-01 17:44:26	yitz	mingdao: yes please!
2022-11-01 17:44:31	mingdao	susi: Can you make that screenshot larger, please?
2022-11-01 17:45:13	susi	mingdao: https://0x0.st/oYhJ.png :)
2022-11-01 17:45:18	mingdao	susi: Colors off were in the irssi screenshot from urxvt (set in Xresources) to Terminator.
2022-11-01 17:45:58	mingdao	susi: That is still missing some items in the tmux statusbar.  See https://github.com/gpakosz/.tmux
2022-11-01 17:46:27	mingdao	susi: That's actually the most awesome one I've seen for a laptop.  All mine for other systems, desktop and servers, are fine.
2022-11-01 17:47:12	yitz	Is there an easy way to change to a new cgroup in my terminal/shell so subsequent commands are in a different cgroup?
2022-11-01 17:47:31	jelle	yitz: I think gnome-terminal does that
2022-11-01 17:47:51	LambdaComplex	what the heck is with the openssl package version numbers in Core?
2022-11-01 17:47:59	Foxboron	LambdaComplex: hm?
2022-11-01 17:48:00	gehidore	they're pretty
2022-11-01 17:48:15	LambdaComplex	staging is 3.0.5-2 (which is what openssl calls the latest version) but latest in core is 1.1.1.q-1
2022-11-01 17:48:22	yitz	jelle: what if I am connecting via SSH? 
2022-11-01 17:48:25	yitz	systemd-oomd is nifty ... for managing services. Is there a way to tweak the kernal OOM killer?
2022-11-01 17:48:29	Foxboron	LambdaComplex: yes, what is the issue?
2022-11-01 17:48:36	jelle	yitz: well, that obviously does not help in your cas
2022-11-01 17:48:39	jelle	*case
2022-11-01 17:48:43	LambdaComplex	i'm not saying there's an issue, i'm just wondering why the discrepancy
2022-11-01 17:48:49	another	Psi-Jack: ? so.. you run the tmux client via ssh on the remote?
2022-11-01 17:48:52	jelle	LambdaComplex: openssl just went from 1 => 3
2022-11-01 17:49:02	Foxboron	LambdaComplex: We haven't updated to openssl 3.0. openssl 2.0 doesn exist
2022-11-01 17:49:13	Foxboron	doesnt*
2022-11-01 17:49:22	mingdao	susi: When I `ssh headache` in Terminator and then `tmux a` the tmux status bar looks like this: https://0x0.st/oYh9.png ; from urxvt it looks like this: https://0x0.st/oYhw.png
2022-11-01 17:49:28	LambdaComplex	...well that's confusing 
2022-11-01 17:49:28	Psi-Jack	another: No. I run tmux on the remote when I connect, usually. Some cases I have this automated like when I use tmuxinator to connect to specific clusters, then they just connect to tmux automatically.
2022-11-01 17:50:05	LambdaComplex	why does openssl 2.0 not exist?
2022-11-01 17:50:36	jelle	LambdaComplex: ask openssl developers
2022-11-01 17:51:10	LambdaComplex	>We are skipping the 2.0.0 major version because the previous OpenSSL FIPS module has already used this number.
2022-11-01 17:51:16	another	Psi-Jack: Isn't this what I described?
2022-11-01 17:51:35	Psi-Jack	another: What you described sounded more like using ssh to initially start tmux itself upon logging in.
2022-11-01 17:51:46	Psi-Jack	I login, then type 'tmux' most cases. 😉
2022-11-01 17:51:50	Psi-Jack	If I need it.
2022-11-01 17:52:14	another	so the client runs on the remote
2022-11-01 17:53:00	yitz	I need to up my terminal tools to look all fancy...
2022-11-01 17:53:09	Psi-Jack	What client? heh
2022-11-01 17:53:57	another	tmux is client-server
2022-11-01 17:54:32	another	so what you actually do is nested tmux sessions with clever keybinding trickery?
2022-11-01 17:55:29	Psi-Jack	Local/Remote, not exactly nested, but there's keybinding changes based on communicated controls. 🙂
2022-11-01 17:58:56	another	then I don
2022-11-01 17:59:27	another	then I don't understand what you mean by "same local session"
2022-11-01 17:59:54	mingdao	ChrisWarrick: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1043157/set-colors-for-terminator-to-terminals method doesn't tell me how to use https://0x0.st/oYhk.txt ($HOME/.Xdefaults) with Terminator.
2022-11-01 17:59:55	phrik	Title: command line - Set colors for terminator to terminal's - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
2022-11-01 18:00:12	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-01 18:00:19	ChrisWarrick	mingdao: you wouldn’t use xdefaults, terminator has its own config
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2022-11-01 18:01:19	mingdao	ChrisWarrick: I understand.  But it doesn't tell me how to use the same settings in Terminator as I use in .Xdefaults for urxvt.  Guess I'm not explaining that properly.
2022-11-01 18:02:20	ChrisWarrick	mingdao: you’ll probably need to convert the color names in your .Xdefaults to RGB/hex
2022-11-01 18:02:26	Psi-Jack	another: My tmux is comprised of 3 files and built-in shell scripts within them. The tmux.conf itself determins which to load, tmux.local.conf or tmux.remote.conf, and that determins statusbar location, color, and active/inactive bindings, and control negotiation. Shift+Down sends a sequence to the remote to take over while local changes bindings. Shift+Up switches back to local,. Not absolutely
2022-11-01 18:02:26	Psi-Jack	perfect, and can get lost, especially if there's no 
2022-11-01 18:02:26	Psi-Jack	remote tmux, and/or if the remote tmux is already still set to be "controlling" hjeh
2022-11-01 18:03:17	Psi-Jack	The "local session", that is what's running on my local system on my desktop, is entirely what's sending commands to the remote to change control state.
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2022-11-01 18:04:44	Rayyan	hello
2022-11-01 18:04:53	Rayyan	my screen does not wake up from suspend
2022-11-01 18:05:05	Rayyan	using arch (obviously), nvidia-open drivers, wayland, gnome
2022-11-01 18:05:08	another	so how is this not nested?
2022-11-01 18:05:37	Psi-Jack	another: nested would usually entail that both tmux sessions are on the same system.
2022-11-01 18:05:48	another	no
2022-11-01 18:05:51	Psi-Jack	But these are two totally independant sessions of tmux.
2022-11-01 18:06:32	another	nested does not imply same system
2022-11-01 18:06:51	Namarrgon	this thread needs more hand drawn diagrams
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2022-11-01 18:07:21	another	also note that "session" has a specific meaning in tmux
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2022-11-01 18:07:43	Namarrgon	Rayyan: you mean dpms or suspend-to-ram/-disk?
2022-11-01 18:08:15	throstur	Namarrgon: which one is systemctl suspend? the latter right?
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2022-11-01 18:08:57	Rayyan	Namarrgon: I'm just pressing the "suspend" button in gnome
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2022-11-01 18:09:31	mingdao	ChrisWarrick: I'm going to save this advice and revisit it once I replace this present hard drive with Gnome DE to the new one with Fluxbox WM.
2022-11-01 18:09:52	Namarrgon	Rayyan: does that work with the closed driver? does it work with the xorg backend? does it work with the lts kernel?
2022-11-01 18:09:53	Rayyan	I've already got this config - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA/Tips_and_tricks#Preserve_video_memory_after_suspend
2022-11-01 18:09:55	phrik	Title: NVIDIA/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-01 18:10:16	Rayyan	Namarrgon: suspend has never worked for me
2022-11-01 18:10:18	Namarrgon	s2r/s2d is a huge clusterfuck on linux
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2022-11-01 18:12:57	Rayyan	so, there is no fix?
2022-11-01 18:13:18	throstur	 one would think it would be easy with /run and all that, but no lol
2022-11-01 18:13:20	another	s|s2r/s2d|nvidia|
2022-11-01 18:13:20	Namarrgon	check the logs and i listed a few things you could try
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2022-11-01 18:13:37	throstur	Rayyan: the fix is: find out if it works in any way then figure out when it doesn't work, that will give you a clue to whether or not there is a fix
2022-11-01 18:13:53	throstur	on that note, listen to Namarrgon for real, one of best catalysts around
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2022-11-01 18:14:10	throstur	which reminds me, since I've pinged you already this might be the right time for someting I saved up
2022-11-01 18:14:12	throstur	Namarrgon++
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2022-11-01 18:14:41	throstur	phrik?
2022-11-01 18:14:56	Namarrgon	karma is on backorder
2022-11-01 18:15:02	Psi-Jack	another: True, on the sessions bit. Ultimately I'm just sending M-F12 over and changing prefix to none and changing status bar colors. So all my prefix bindings are intercepted by the remote tmux and ignored locally, until I switch back, then they flip-flop back.
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2022-11-01 18:19:17	Edu4rdSHL	I have been using nvidia since... 10 yeas ¿? and have never had problems tbh, nvidia offered linux support since day 1
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2022-11-01 18:19:38	Edu4rdSHL	I do not understand what are the "problems" with nvidia, honestly
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2022-11-01 18:20:15	Namarrgon	unfortunately the problems with suspend are not limited to nvidia
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2022-11-01 18:20:56	Warepire	Edu4rdSHL: Their refusal to upstream their drivers, dropping support for "old" cards and discontinuing their drivers (see 470xx and 390xx and kernel 6.0), and so on.
2022-11-01 18:21:07	Edu4rdSHL	That's okay
2022-11-01 18:21:18	another	plus special API everywhere
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2022-11-01 18:21:31	Warepire	Edu4rdSHL: Until you're one of the affected people that can't upgrade to 6.0 because of it, like me.
2022-11-01 18:22:04	Edu4rdSHL	Well, I usually have cards from the current Nvidia generation so...
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2022-11-01 18:23:09	Warepire	My card was new in 2017... I should expect more than 5 years out of my graphics card, it's not broken.
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2022-11-01 18:23:32	whoami	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ZFS#DKMS
2022-11-01 18:23:33	phrik	Title: ZFS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-01 18:23:35	whoami	Why is there a tip to add these to IgnorePkg?
2022-11-01 18:23:45	whoami	In other words, why would I want to avoid upgrading them?
2022-11-01 18:24:14	teraflops	to avoid system breackage
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2022-11-01 18:24:34	whoami	So just in the name of stability?
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2022-11-01 18:25:36	whoami	My other issue is that while running mkinitcpio I'm seeing `ERROR: module not found: `zavl'` as well as znvpair, zunicode, zcommon, zfs, and spl.
2022-11-01 18:26:27	throstur	Edu4rdSHL: I think the only real issue nowadays with nvidia is that it is proprietary and we don't like that here
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2022-11-01 18:26:35	teraflops	when you want to upgrade dkms zsf modules do it on purpose (removong it from ignorepkg) and not every kernel upgrade
2022-11-01 18:26:45	throstur	that being said, I think I'm not using nouveau anymore, the nvidia linux module is acceptable
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2022-11-01 18:27:18	throstur	that being said, can I manually set the fan speed with nvidia-smi or similar?
2022-11-01 18:27:31	throstur	my fans are broken, I want to fiddle with them from software
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2022-11-01 18:30:46	whoami	also i just reinstalled zfs-dkms and I see `dkms install --no-depmod zfs/2.1.6 -k 5.19.4-arch1-1` but `uname -a` gives 5.19.9-arch1
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2022-11-01 18:33:29	Edu4rdSHL	throstur, well, I don't care about closed source tbh, about 70% of the apps I use daily are closed source :p
2022-11-01 18:33:43	throstur	same
2022-11-01 18:33:47	Edu4rdSHL	I use Linux for convenience, because it makes life easier for me and makes me more productive 
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2022-11-01 18:33:53	throstur	same
2022-11-01 18:33:54	Edu4rdSHL	And I'm used to iy
2022-11-01 18:33:56	Edu4rdSHL	it *
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2022-11-01 18:34:08	throstur	I only prefer windows when the windows app is well supported and the linux one is not
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2022-11-01 18:34:10	brjl	whoami: pacman will `dkms install` for all kernel versions it finds in the system
2022-11-01 18:34:15	throstur	e.g. niche modding tools etc
2022-11-01 18:34:31	whoami	i am confused because I don't see that kernel ver in the system at all
2022-11-01 18:34:52	whoami	I have linux-lts 5.15.76, linux 6.06.arch1-1 in `pacman -Q` and am currently running 5.19.9-arch1
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2022-11-01 18:35:41	whoami	ok, well it looks like it's installing for 5.19.9-arch1 too anyway. i wonder where it found 5.19.4
2022-11-01 18:35:49	throstur	whoami: what does uname -a tell you
2022-11-01 18:35:57	whoami	whoami | also i just reinstalled zfs-dkms and I see `dkms install --no-depmod zfs/2.1.6 -k 5.19.4-arch1-1` but `uname -a` gives 5.19.9-arch1
2022-11-01 18:35:58	throstur	oh wait, that's arch vursion, not kernel
2022-11-01 18:36:21	whoami	that's the kernel version
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2022-11-01 18:36:48	Warepire	whoami: Did you reboot since your last update?
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2022-11-01 18:37:11	whoami	nada, hence uname -a 5.19.9 and linux is 6.0.6. just confused about where 5.19.4 came from
2022-11-01 18:37:14	whoami	oh well, not an issue
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2022-11-01 18:38:16	whoami	my real issue is the errors i'm seing here:  https://dpaste.org/0ygYA
2022-11-01 18:38:19	phrik	Title: dpaste/0ygYA (Python) (at dpaste.org)
2022-11-01 18:38:19	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oYFl.jtL5ztjy
2022-11-01 18:39:19	throstur	there are 3 fans on the graphics card, why does the nvidia settings tool only show one fan?
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2022-11-01 18:40:03	whoami	throstur: are there 3 fans or 3 fan controllers?
2022-11-01 18:40:12	throstur	there are 3 physical fans
2022-11-01 18:40:19	whoami	so that doesn't mean that you can control each individually
2022-11-01 18:40:34	throstur	yes, but how can the system report a fan speed of 1600 for example, when there are 3 physical fans?
2022-11-01 18:41:01	throstur	if the controller does not know the speed of each fan, why display any speed at all?
2022-11-01 18:41:17	brjl	Probably because it spins all of them at the same speed
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2022-11-01 18:41:23	whoami	it's not measuring the speed it spins them at
2022-11-01 18:41:27	whoami	it's reporting the speed its powering them at
2022-11-01 18:41:47	throstur	ah, I see
2022-11-01 18:41:52	brjl	That might be it, aswell.
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2022-11-01 18:43:00	throstur	that does make sense, although I guess it could be better labelled... "fan information -- speed (rpm) some number" could be annotated with "displays power being driven"
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2022-11-01 18:43:37	throstur	I'm trying to raise the target to 100% but it doesn't want to drive higher than 1580
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2022-11-01 18:45:43	throstur	eh, it goes up and down by 10 or 20 ish at a time, and is barely starting to touch 1640 lol
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2022-11-01 18:46:00	whoami	maybe it does measure :)
2022-11-01 18:46:06	whoami	i see some stuff on the net on nvidia-smi not reporting all fans correctly
2022-11-01 18:46:12	throstur	occams razor suggests it
2022-11-01 18:46:15	whoami	tried /usr/bin/nvidia-settings -c :0 -q gpus --verbose ?
2022-11-01 18:46:44	throstur	it just says that there is one fan
2022-11-01 18:46:47	throstur	I wonder which one that is
2022-11-01 18:46:58	throstur	so it must be driving/measuring one fan and assuming the other two follow suite
2022-11-01 18:46:59	whoami	yeah idk. i've seen nvidia-smi and nvidia-settings regularly not report details correctly
2022-11-01 18:47:02	whoami	on my machine and others
2022-11-01 18:47:15	whoami	i think their linux software is not very good
2022-11-01 18:47:23	throstur	I think I'll leave nvidia-settings set to 100% fan for a while and see if the noise stops
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2022-11-01 18:47:46	throstur	the problem has been wear and tear due to unnecessary slowdown, and now it's noisy :(
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2022-11-01 18:48:07	whoami	i've heard of some people replacing the fans on their card. never tried it myself
2022-11-01 18:48:17	brjl	Slowing down fans shouldn't have nay significant impact on wear
2022-11-01 18:48:30	brjl	You're not "braking" anything
2022-11-01 18:48:45	Warepire	brjl: If they are slowed down due to being dirty (e.g. friction) it can damage the motors and bearings
2022-11-01 18:49:10	throstur	they should just always be running at full power tbh
2022-11-01 18:49:15	throstur	don't let the dirt in 
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2022-11-01 18:50:25	throstur	buthe the fan speed isn't really going up as fast as it should, I reckon it should be running at probably twice the current speed to be at 100%
2022-11-01 18:51:09	brjl	Where'd you get that from
2022-11-01 18:51:13	throstur	nvidia-settings
2022-11-01 18:51:25	throstur	it's spinning at around 1700 rpmbut I set target to 100%
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2022-11-01 18:51:44	brjl	And nvidia-settings says 100% speed is 3400RPM?
2022-11-01 18:52:02	throstur	no, that was off the top of my head and then callously confirmed by a biased google search
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2022-11-01 18:52:22	brjl	What's the GPU
2022-11-01 18:52:32	throstur	it's a 970... I think
2022-11-01 18:52:36	throstur	GTX or whatever they call them
2022-11-01 18:53:03	brjl	There are many GTX970 models, some with more fans of better quality, some of both-opposite.
2022-11-01 18:53:36	throstur	yeah, I figure
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2022-11-01 18:54:02	throstur	upon visual inspection the other day I noticed that it has a remarkably extensive heat sink and that the three tiny plastic fans on the bottom were probably just for show
2022-11-01 18:54:29	brjl	So I guess your OEM should tell you what the maximum fan speed for you specific GTX970 model is.  But I imagine you don't know that :þ
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2022-11-01 18:54:41	throstur	then again, my gfx card falling off the bus during a csgo match and my fans not spinning properly might be related, who knows
2022-11-01 18:55:23	throstur	brjl: the business I bought the hardware from is out of business and I have probably thrown away the case, so I'd need to find the fine print on the card itself
2022-11-01 18:55:32	throstur	s/case/box
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2022-11-01 18:55:52	brjl	hahahaha
2022-11-01 18:56:00	brjl	No offense to you -But what a shitshow eh
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2022-11-01 18:56:11	throstur	indeed
2022-11-01 18:56:22	brjl	I don't expect nvidia-smi to display OEM information
2022-11-01 18:56:39	throstur	I mean it just says NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970
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2022-11-01 19:02:28	brjl	I imagine there's a nvidia-smi query somewhere that gives OEM information. But I'm not entirely sure and I'm also on a meeting, so I can't help you right now
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2022-11-01 19:27:29	mcoffin	Anybody else had issues with mice scroll wheels randomly scolling "up" a tick while you're scolling down (and maybe vice versa)? I've choc'd my issues up to hardware failures up to this point, but this mouse was top-of-the-line and lasted only a mere 4 months before becoming infurating with it's scroll wheel "glitches"
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2022-11-01 19:27:58	mcoffin	I know it's still *probably* hardware, but is that symptom indicative of any kind of software issues? (like not keeping up with polling rate properly or something like that)
2022-11-01 19:28:09	Namarrgon	that is usually caused by worn down hardware but you can test it with a different mouse
2022-11-01 19:28:26	brjl	Bad scroll-wheel. Experienced that planty before
2022-11-01 19:28:32	artefact	are you using libinput? it tries to do some magic debouncing by default
2022-11-01 19:28:37	mcoffin	Namarrgon: I mean, getting a new mouse always solves it... for a while, but a cadence of a new mouse every 4mo is... INSANE to me.
2022-11-01 19:28:51	mpan	But debouncing would miss clicks, not introduce them.
2022-11-01 19:28:59	mcoffin	artefact: I *am*. 
2022-11-01 19:29:00	brjl	Exactly what mpan said
2022-11-01 19:29:15	artefact	maybe debouncing in not the right term
2022-11-01 19:29:16	brjl	mcoffin: Maybe stop torturing your scroll-wheels >:þ
2022-11-01 19:29:22	artefact	but it does tricks to mousewheel input
2022-11-01 19:29:24	mpan	mcoffin: it’s a random event. It doesn’t mean the next mouse will misbehave in 4mo. Also the test can be performed with your cheapest mouse, which you may save as a backup.
2022-11-01 19:29:36	artefact	take it apart and clean it if you can
2022-11-01 19:29:42	mcoffin	brjl: I'm already gaslit enough by the situation... don't contribute more haha!
2022-11-01 19:29:46	artefact	the part that always fails first on my mice, is the middle click
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2022-11-01 19:30:22	artefact	i guess i'm one of the few remaining idi*ts that enjoys middle click pasting the x selection
2022-11-01 19:30:51	mcoffin	mpan: I mean I've gone through a SteelSeries Rival, 2x Logitech G403, and a G PRO wireless in the span of maybe a little more than a year?
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2022-11-01 19:31:16	mcoffin	artefact: I'm a heavy middle click user with my browser, but the weird bit is that I really don't use my mouse much
2022-11-01 19:31:47	mpan	Hmm
2022-11-01 19:31:50	mcoffin	for gaming I'm in VR with a wheel usually, and I get irked when I have to move my hand of my keyboard while working
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2022-11-01 19:32:04	mcoffin	so I don't really think I'm destroying them... at least not at this alarming rate
2022-11-01 19:32:31	artefact	vr driving heh. you have good vr legs, better than mine
2022-11-01 19:33:26	mcoffin	Eh... It takes maybe a week of doing it a lot to get used to it... then doesn't really make ya queasy anymore. The thing that was the weirdest for me in that time was going over a hill, and then your seat **not** dropping away from you
2022-11-01 19:33:33	mpan	So I can’t provide any ideas. I never encountered, either myself or in reports, such an issue caused by software.
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2022-11-01 19:34:04	mcoffin	I'll look in to the libinput debouncing though... maybe I could tune out the "up" scrolls somehow
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2022-11-01 19:34:51	mcoffin	peripherals just hate me lately... keyboard's got some dying switches too, but that one has been around for years, so it's understandable with like 11hrs a day of use
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2022-11-01 19:35:52	brjl	IT speciallists aren't known for their knowledge in ergonomics
2022-11-01 19:35:58	mcoffin	well, guess I'll buy a backup in case I don't figure it out so I don't pull my hair out rying to scroll through docs for work xD
2022-11-01 19:36:32	brjl	Or start using PgDown/PgUp to scroll pages :þ
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2022-11-01 19:37:34	mcoffin	brjl: Usually using vim keys via Saka Key where possible, but it doesn't work *too* well everywhere, and there are some times you just do need a scroll wheel
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2022-11-01 19:38:10	mcoffin	which is why it's so surprising! Like there *has* to be something to explain why I'm consistently killing these :(
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2022-11-01 19:38:24	throstur	maybe you are fingering it offensively
2022-11-01 19:38:33	mcoffin	makes me think I've somehow been using a mouse wrong my whole life rofl
2022-11-01 19:38:38	throstur	you could try a layout meant to optimize travel speed such as colemak or dvorak
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2022-11-01 19:38:53	throstur	you... use... the mouse?
2022-11-01 19:38:56	throstur	for... not games??
2022-11-01 19:39:05	Psi-Jack	throstur: I do.
2022-11-01 19:39:10	throstur	for what??
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2022-11-01 19:39:13	Psi-Jack	EVERYTHING!
2022-11-01 19:39:21	throstur	but it's good at almost nothing...
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2022-11-01 19:39:27	throstur	it's good at pointing
2022-11-01 19:39:31	mcoffin	throstur: read up above. I use it where it makes sense, but overall I'd consider myself to be on the *very* low end of the spectrum of mouse usage
2022-11-01 19:39:35	Psi-Jack	Just stop mouse whining. 😛
2022-11-01 19:40:03	throstur	what part of the mouse is malfunctioning?
2022-11-01 19:40:19	mcoffin	throstur: 12:27 < mcoffin> Anybody else had issues with mice scroll wheels randomly scolling "up" a tick while you're scolling down (and maybe vice versa)? I've choc'd my issues up to hardware failures up to this point, but this mouse was top-of-the-line and lasted only a mere 4 months before becoming infurating with it's scroll wheel "glitches"
2022-11-01 19:40:33	throstur	oh that, yes
2022-11-01 19:40:42	mcoffin	wait, you've seen the same?
2022-11-01 19:40:43	throstur	it seems to be a common feature
2022-11-01 19:40:52	throstur	I have a zowie, it happens rarely but sometimes
2022-11-01 19:40:57	throstur	thinkpads do it too
2022-11-01 19:41:07	throstur	the wireless mouse I had last time with the smooth wheel was a pita
2022-11-01 19:41:15	Psi-Jack	There we go. Finished writing me up a simple dconf backup/restore script to make easier yadm updates. 🙂
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2022-11-01 19:41:57	mcoffin	throstur: any shot you've seen it on another platform? if I can completely rule out software... that would... be disappointing but relevant
2022-11-01 19:42:09	susi	mcoffin: do you sweat a lot on the palm of hand?
2022-11-01 19:42:23	susi	or use some skin products for hands
2022-11-01 19:42:34	throstur	mcoffin: only barely to the point of it being plausible, but correlation is not equal to causation
2022-11-01 19:42:35	Psi-Jack	My Logitech MX Master 3 has been quite solid, and the MX Master 2 before that., and the MX Master before that.
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2022-11-01 19:42:48	mcoffin	susi: nope and nope. I sweat a lot racing, but I'm not even close to using my mouse during that
2022-11-01 19:43:22	throstur	I sweat in palm in esports, I had material reaction to a logitech mouse and they sent me a new one
2022-11-01 19:43:43	brjl	mcoffin: > I don't pull my hair out rying to scroll through docs for work xD
2022-11-01 19:43:57	brjl	You can also start using PgUp and PgDown to scroll pages :þ
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2022-11-01 19:44:21	artefact	or C-v M-v
2022-11-01 19:44:40	artefact	(in emacsen/emacs-mode things)
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2022-11-01 19:45:00	mcoffin	brjl: I mean I already use j/k for scolling *most* of the time even on web pages. Overall, I think I've been a pretty light user, especially with the latest one (G PRO wireless), which is why I finally bothered asking :/
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2022-11-01 19:45:41	mcoffin	12:27 < mcoffin> Anybody else had issues with mice scroll wheels randomly scolling "up" a tick while you're scolling down (and maybe vice versa)? I've choc'd my issues up to hardware failures up to this point, but this mouse was top-of-the-line and lasted only a mere 4 months before becoming infurating with it's scroll wheel "glitches"12:27 < mcoffin> Anybody else had issues with mice scroll
2022-11-01 19:45:41	mcoffin	wheels 
2022-11-01 19:45:47	mcoffin	randomly scolling "up" a tick while you're scolling down (and maybe vice versa)? I've choc'd my issues up to hardware failures up to this point, but this mouse was top-of-the-line and lasted only a mere 4 months before becoming infurating with it's scroll wheel "glitches"
2022-11-01 19:45:54	brjl	It's weird that you said the problem dissapears after you buy a new mouse, only for it to start happening again
2022-11-01 19:45:55	susi	mcoffin: but best to take the mouse apart if possible and clean it, you may oil the relevant components with WD-40 or similar
2022-11-01 19:45:55	mcoffin	whoh sorry, 
2022-11-01 19:46:10	mcoffin	I was playing with the scoll wheel to try to see something and hit "paste" rofl
2022-11-01 19:46:11	brjl	Which makes me thing you're using your mice really oddly :þ
2022-11-01 19:46:13	mcoffin	mb
2022-11-01 19:46:52	throstur	interesting þorn you got there
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2022-11-01 19:47:34	mcoffin	brjl: that's what I'm thinking... but idk man it's a mouse. I'm not some esports user that's whipping the thing around all day or anything... pretty much just a very-all-day coder as far as it's concerned, so it really doesn't see what I would even consider extensive usage
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2022-11-01 19:48:25	mcoffin	maybe the scroll wheel in the G403 and GPRO wireless is just... fragile? They're probably relatively similar products under the hood
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2022-11-01 19:48:37	throstur	maybe you're just a smoker and tar is getting in the wheel
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2022-11-01 19:48:47	throstur	it's really hard to diagnose it without more info
2022-11-01 19:48:57	susi	not very probable, that your software is wearing out every 4 months of usage
2022-11-01 19:49:16	brjl	I mean. I am an esports type of user (I play a lot of CSGO). I use the scroll-wheel to browse reddit. And mice only start screwing up after a year or so of use
2022-11-01 19:49:33	brjl	It always begins with the scroll-wheel, though.
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2022-11-01 19:49:43	throstur	or the odd double click
2022-11-01 19:49:49	throstur	that you absolutely didn't order
2022-11-01 19:49:52	throstur	DURING AN EVE FLEET!!
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2022-11-01 19:50:21	brjl	Oh yeah. When I started shooting without wanting to, that`s when I bought a new G403
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2022-11-01 19:50:33	mcoffin	susi: but maybe something about my libinput setup would make it less tolerant to wear in the encoder? I mean I'm agreeing with y'all I sound like I must be smashing the thing on my desk but I'm genuinely just confused at this point
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2022-11-01 19:51:00	mcoffin	throstur: luckily never a failure I've had :) - I think that would be much worse tbh
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2022-11-01 19:51:36	throstur	yes, imagine your very expensive internet pixels not being reimbursed by your group leader because it wasn't flying in the right direction lol
2022-11-01 19:51:42	brjl	mcoffin: I don't think you're smashing the thing. I just thing you put a lot more pressure in your fingers than what you think you need :þ
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2022-11-01 19:51:55	throstur	I too, find that likely
2022-11-01 19:52:23	Koragg	hello I have a few questions regarding information required to sign up on the AUR. is this the correct channel to ask, or is another channel more appropriate?
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2022-11-01 19:52:38	brjl	And since the scroll-wheel is the most fragile part of mice -It's the only free-moving part- then it's the component that get's fucked up the quickest
2022-11-01 19:52:40	artefact	throstur: did you bump a titan off the pos bubble? =)
2022-11-01 19:52:59	brjl	s/get's/gets
2022-11-01 19:53:07	throstur	no it was just a faction fitted lachesis in a laggy tidi fight
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2022-11-01 19:54:03	susi	mcoffin: but then it would be a common occurence for others too with default settings, and so would probably get 'fixed' in one way or another
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2022-11-01 19:54:26	brjl	I second what susi said
2022-11-01 19:54:50	mcoffin	Interesting development - been *ages* since I've tried to take a look at the DPI settings since I set my profiles and left it, but it no longer shows up in libratbag
2022-11-01 19:55:03	brjl	Gonna ask engineers at CATerpillar to build mcoffin a mouse haha
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2022-11-01 19:55:30	Namarrgon	Koragg: there's #archlinux-aur, but you can ask here, too
2022-11-01 19:55:33	brjl	So that it can handle the tank treads mcoffin calls fingers
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2022-11-01 19:56:23	Koragg	thank you, I hope my questions are easy to answer: 1) is real name a must, or can I provide like my IRC nickname? 2) is the PGP key my keybase public key I made a while back? 3) what is the "public SSH key"? that I am strongly confused about
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2022-11-01 19:57:36	artefact	you don't have to use your real name
2022-11-01 19:57:43	artefact	your ssh key is how you push to the git repo
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2022-11-01 19:58:03	Namarrgon	the pgp key is optional
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2022-11-01 19:59:26	Koragg	I created and managed the repo of my forked package entirely through the github website, I did put an ssh key in my github profile, should I use that? as I do wish to upload a PKGBUILD to the AUR, I want to provide all information necessary for that
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2022-11-01 20:00:24	artefact	i don't think aurweb can do web-based commits
2022-11-01 20:00:31	◣	BillyZane (~BillyZane@91.196.220.141) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-11-01 20:00:32	Namarrgon	generate a new ssh keypair for the AUR
2022-11-01 20:01:40	uniqNuuid	https://github.com/openssl/openssl/commit/fe3b639dc19b325846f4f6801f2f4604f56e3de3
2022-11-01 20:01:44	mcoffin	Namarrgon: I used someone's listed AUR PGP key the other day when emailing them and got the old "I didn't even know I still had that key listed" in response xD - he couldn't even open what I tried to send him haha
2022-11-01 20:02:20	uniqNuuid	a missing = shocked the world
2022-11-01 20:02:45	Koragg	ah so basically I must create a new git repo on my system, use an ssh key with it, and from that upload my PKGBUILD to AUR, does that roughly sum up the necessary steps?
2022-11-01 20:02:49	artefact	three things are hard: cache invalidation, and off-by-one errors.
2022-11-01 20:03:21	◣	wavedepletion (~wavedeple@user/wavedepletion) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.7.1)
2022-11-01 20:04:06	Namarrgon	Koragg: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR_submission_guidelines#Creating_package_repositories
2022-11-01 20:04:07	phrik	Title: AUR submission guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-11-02 18:05:03	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-11-02 15:16:12	MacGyver	That's the gnunet source package.
2022-11-02 15:16:22	MacGyver	Which makepkg needs to check the signature for while building.
2022-11-02 15:16:39	Scimmia	bigshot00: just a tip, stop blaming the system for you not knowing what you're doing. It's getting old
2022-11-02 15:16:42	MacGyver	The actual install can forgo any signature checks; you'd be the one signing.
2022-11-02 15:17:05	rcf	Psi-Jack: proceeding after the first error is a blatant misdirection and implies it should work with further user input 
2022-11-02 15:17:10	bigshot00	Scimmia: what to do now?
2022-11-02 15:17:20	Scimmia	Read the AUR wiki page
2022-11-02 15:17:40	MacGyver	bigshot00: FWIW: gnupg is terrible, we're all aware source verification using it is excruciating, and we're sorry you have to learn this.
2022-11-02 15:17:53	MacGyver	But the reality is that it's the current system for most open-source software.
2022-11-02 15:18:18	MacGyver	Now that you have the key, makepkg should succeed in checking during build.
2022-11-02 15:18:29	MacGyver	And then you can pacman -U the built package.
2022-11-02 15:18:32	rcf	MacGyver: the problem here is that it's masquerading as a gpg error, when it's just not a built package, period, and all attempts to teach gpg will fail miserably. 
2022-11-02 15:18:56	rcf	Every operation will be on the wrong keyring. 
2022-11-02 15:19:27	MacGyver	rcf: Yeah, see the first thing I said about dropping the attitude and recalibrating the understanding of the AUR; but there's no denying there's a lot of friction even if you do understand the AUR.
2022-11-02 15:20:08	rcf	I would simply redirect more ire at pacman's attempt to proceed after what should be a fatal error. 
2022-11-02 15:20:28	bigshot00	Scimmia: https://ostechnix.com/fix-invalid-corrupted-package-pgp-signature-error-arch-linux/
2022-11-02 15:20:37	bigshot00	then i did -Syu, but still same error
2022-11-02 15:21:16	Scimmia	because that has nothing to do with what you're seeing
2022-11-02 15:21:26	MacGyver	bigshot00: Your build with makepkg never succeeded, because you didn't have the right key.
2022-11-02 15:21:29	Namarrgon	did you actually manage to build a pacman package with makepkg?
2022-11-02 15:21:45	MacGyver	bigshot00: You're now trying to directly *install* the gnunet source tarball with pacman; don't do that.
2022-11-02 15:21:57	bigshot00	then
2022-11-02 15:21:59	MacGyver	bigshot00: Re-run makepkg as you first attempted.
2022-11-02 15:22:26	Namarrgon	and forget about ostechnix.com, they know less about arch than you
2022-11-02 15:23:00	bigshot00	you being sarcastic?
2022-11-02 15:23:39	Namarrgon	unfortunately i am not
2022-11-02 15:23:42	Ennea	no, i'm pretty sure that was an honest assessment
2022-11-02 15:25:41	solsTiCe	After the disclosure of SSL 3.0.x vulnerability, I had tocheck what was used in archlinux, an it was 1.1.1q; just wondering why we are not at the last version? A good hting for once, but why?
2022-11-02 15:26:12	Scimmia	solsTiCe: rebuilds are happening now
2022-11-02 15:26:45	Scimmia	see the arch-dev-public mailing list
2022-11-02 15:26:54	bigshot00	ok MacGyver i re ran with makepkg -f now what?
2022-11-02 15:27:00	MacGyver	bigshot00: Did it succeed?
2022-11-02 15:27:04	solsTiCe	I mean why we are not using the 3.0 release instead of 1.1.1.
2022-11-02 15:27:26	bigshot00	==> Leaving fakeroot environment.
2022-11-02 15:27:28	bigshot00	==> Finished making: gnunet 0.18.0-1 (Wed Nov 
2022-11-02 15:27:39	rcf	solsTiCe: I know in some cases distributions got wind of the vulnerability and specifically delayed moving to 3. 
2022-11-02 15:27:39	Scimmia	solsTiCe: right, that's what I answered
2022-11-02 15:27:49	MacGyver	solsTiCe: A major version bump of openssl requires a rebuild of everything using openssl.
2022-11-02 15:27:51	bigshot00	now
2022-11-02 15:28:02	rcf	bigshot00: you now have a file like gnunet-0.18.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
2022-11-02 15:28:10	bigshot00	yes
2022-11-02 15:28:14	rcf	bigshot00: That is what you use with pacman -U 
2022-11-02 15:28:31	MacGyver	solsTiCe: Major rebuilds always take some coordination so get delays.
2022-11-02 15:28:31	solsTiCe	ok
2022-11-02 15:28:36	BrainDamage	there's a dependency hell conflict if one attempts to install python-tensorflow and freecad at the same time; freecad depends explicitly on med-openmpi which provides and conflicts with med, med-openmpi however drags in hdf5-openmpi which provides and conflicts with hdf5 and the last straw is that python-tensorflow depends on python-h5py that conflicts with hdf5-openpi, but hdf5-openmpi doesn't
2022-11-02 15:28:36	BrainDamage	provide python-h5py, for which package should I
2022-11-02 15:28:37	BrainDamage	report this?
2022-11-02 15:28:58	MacGyver	solsTiCe: Also, I don't know whether that's in play here, but for critical things some maintainers tend to wait at least for the first point-release after the initial release.
2022-11-02 15:31:34	MacGyver	BrainDamage: python-tensorflow, I think.
2022-11-02 15:31:43	MacGyver	BrainDamage: Looks like that's the one causing the unresolvable conflict.
2022-11-02 15:32:08	BrainDamage	I would say freecad, explicitly depending on med-openmpi instead of generic med
2022-11-02 15:32:12	MacGyver	Unless you're absolutely certain that hdf5-openmpi *can* provide python-h5py.
2022-11-02 15:32:17	rcf	I would blame freecad. 
2022-11-02 15:32:28	rcf	The most specific downstream dependency is causing the problem. 
2022-11-02 15:32:32	MacGyver	Oh uh, yeah, freecad.
2022-11-02 15:32:47	rcf	I'm not sure it's strictly reportable unless you can show that med alone is sufficient. 
2022-11-02 15:32:50	MacGyver	My mental map swapped them.
2022-11-02 15:33:33	BrainDamage	however, there's also the issue that hfd5-openmpi conflicts with  python-h5py, but doesn't provide any python bindings
2022-11-02 15:33:45	MacGyver	If hdf5-openmpi actually does provide python-h5py I'd just report the missing PROVIDES there.
2022-11-02 15:33:55	MacGyver	Right, so it doesn't.
2022-11-02 15:34:23	rcf	BrainDamage: if you can rebuild and install both without conflicts, then report the extraneous conflict. 
2022-11-02 15:34:42	bigshot00	so i installed gnunet but i need to start systemctl service to start enable gnunet, but i am in podman, any idea how to do that in podman?
2022-11-02 15:34:59	bigshot00	using distrobox
2022-11-02 15:35:18	astralc	~its the circle of aur, where nothing will woooooork,~
2022-11-02 15:35:23	Psi-Jack	🤦‍♂️ All this time, not even using Arch Linux?
2022-11-02 15:35:56	mefistofeles	lol
2022-11-02 15:37:22	rcf	BrainDamage: however, if all the conflicts/depends/provides are actually necessary and correct, and they're not suggesting to install each other through an optdepend or the like, then the two packages just conflict and there's no bug to report on Arch. 
2022-11-02 15:38:41	rcf	bigshot00: if containerizing, you'll have to start it on your own. 
2022-11-02 15:38:42	Namarrgon	bigshot00: you jumped into the wrong end of the pool
2022-11-02 15:40:40	BrainDamage	rcf: I am moderately convinced that med and med-openmi are ABI compatible, but I need to double check
2022-11-02 15:40:50	bigshot00	rcf: start on my own? systemctl start gnunet?
2022-11-02 15:41:22	rcf	bigshot00: no, run the gnunet executable itself. You can check the systemd service to see how to do it. 
2022-11-02 15:43:12	bigshot00	rcf: systemd i can start and enable, but since i am in podman, i don't need root access, thus how to enable ?
2022-11-02 15:44:00	rcf	bigshot00: that's what gnunet-user.service is for. 
2022-11-02 15:44:16	bigshot00	ahh let's see
2022-11-02 15:44:32	rcf	Assuming you have started a user session and user instance of systemd 
2022-11-02 15:45:32	rcf	bigshot00: see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd/User if you insist on not being root at all. 
2022-11-02 15:45:33	phrik	Title: systemd/User - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-02 15:45:35	bigshot00	@archlinux gnunet]$ systemctl start  gnunet-user.service 
2022-11-02 15:45:37	bigshot00	System has not been booted with systemd as init system (PID 1). Can't operate.
2022-11-02 15:45:39	bigshot00	Failed to connect to bus: Host is down
2022-11-02 15:45:48	rcf	Well, without systemd you're out of luck 
2022-11-02 15:46:05	bigshot00	then what's the use of podman
2022-11-02 15:46:37	jelle	podman can optionally run with systemd
2022-11-02 15:47:36	rcf	bigshot00: well, for a gnunet container you wouldn't strictly need systemd. Just configure it to run whatever the ExecStart is in the service instead. 
2022-11-02 16:01:59	Psi-Jack	He's not just in podman, but distrobox, specificallyu.
2022-11-02 16:03:14	Foxboron	Which is quite shoddy, frankly
2022-11-02 16:04:57	bigshot00	ok so i launched GUI with 'gnunet-setup' but when i test connection i get this nat-auto-9281 ERROR Failed to create socket bound to `0.0.0.0:2086' for NAT test: Address already in use
2022-11-02 16:05:15	Psi-Jack	Yeah, it works, but it's very... Not complete, and definitely not actually running Arch Linux, at all.
2022-11-02 16:06:27	bigshot00	why is it shoddy? i am just experiementing
2022-11-02 16:09:23	bigshot00	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNUnet#Getting_started i am doing gnunet-peerinfo but nothing happens
2022-11-02 16:09:24	phrik	Title: GNUnet - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-02 16:10:04	bigshot00	Foxboron: why distrobox is malicious?
2022-11-02 16:17:40	pulec	(1/4) Saving Linux kernel modules...
2022-11-02 16:17:42	pulec	error: could not get current working directory
2022-11-02 16:17:44	pulec	hmmmmmm
2022-11-02 16:18:41	Scimmia	what hook is that?
2022-11-02 16:19:46	pulec	no idea, just got this on pacman -Syu
2022-11-02 16:19:58	jelle	pulec: what is your cwd?
2022-11-02 16:20:05	pulec	oh
2022-11-02 16:20:09	astralc	kernel-module-hook?
2022-11-02 16:20:16	pulec	jelle: that will be it :D
2022-11-02 16:20:18	jelle	:)
2022-11-02 16:20:28	MacGyver	So what *is* the cwd?
2022-11-02 16:20:29	jelle	pulec: that will be one rx6700 xt
2022-11-02 16:20:34	pulec	I am on sshfs, which unmounted itself after sleep
2022-11-02 16:20:36	MacGyver	No longer existent?
2022-11-02 16:20:43	MacGyver	Right.
2022-11-02 16:20:48	pulec	> Transport endpoint is not connected
2022-11-02 16:20:54	MacGyver	pulec: I've taken to using systemd.automount for that.
2022-11-02 16:21:03	pulec	i just do cd; cd -
2022-11-02 16:21:11	pulec	automount can do sshfs or samba?
2022-11-02 16:21:22	MacGyver	pulec: So I have an entry in fstab saying `sog.4:/home/pol/attachments /home/pol/attachments/sog fuse.sshfs noauto,x-systemd.automount,_netdev,user,idmap=user,follow_symlinks,allow_other,default_permissions,uid=1000,gid=1000,reconnect 0 0`
2022-11-02 16:21:27	astralc	automount can... if it want to
2022-11-02 16:21:29	pulec	neat
2022-11-02 16:21:33	pulec	I am using some script
2022-11-02 16:21:48	pulec	using this custom/sshmnt
2022-11-02 16:21:52	pulec	but it's hacky
2022-11-02 16:21:52	MacGyver	pulec: Note that sog.4 needs to be known to the root SSH config.
2022-11-02 16:22:04	pulec	sog.4 ?
2022-11-02 16:22:09	pulec	oh
2022-11-02 16:22:11	pulec	!aw automount
2022-11-02 16:22:12	phrik	pulec: Automount - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Automount
2022-11-02 16:22:22	MacGyver	pulec: It's an alias in /root/.ssh/config
2022-11-02 16:23:19	pulec	call me weird, I don't like too automatic stuff, I am pretty content with my hacky scripts
2022-11-02 16:23:33	astralc	now I remembering fighting with autofs... whhhhyyyy
2022-11-02 16:23:43	MacGyver	I'm not gonna call you weird.
2022-11-02 16:23:46	MacGyver	I'm just gonna call you wrong.
2022-11-02 16:23:59	BrainDamage	MacGyver: if you add ServerAliveInterval and ServerAliveCountMax, when combined with reconnect and automount, it makes network failuress less unpleasant
2022-11-02 16:24:03	MacGyver	But you're free to be wrong ;)
2022-11-02 16:24:11	MacGyver	BrainDamage: Of course, those are defined in the config.
2022-11-02 16:24:19	BrainDamage	as in, sshfs won't lock the machines for minutes before timeout
2022-11-02 16:24:21	jkc	pulec: I won't call you weird, I'll call you misguided.
2022-11-02 16:25:02	pulec	that's like, your opinion man
2022-11-02 16:25:20	MacGyver	BrainDamage: Though that's a good point, for sshfs I might even want to lower those from what they're now.\
2022-11-02 16:25:33	MacGyver	Haven't really had any issues with the current setting of 3*15s though.
2022-11-02 16:25:45	jkc	pulec: Just happens to be a well-formed opinion with a lot of real-world results to back it up. Not all opinions are created equal, and yours is pretty inferior. Cheers.
2022-11-02 16:26:01	BrainDamage	I have 10*1
2022-11-02 16:26:24	pulec	BrainDamage: yes, oh god I hate when I mount windows share (media/racing rig pc) ``sudo mount -t cifs`` and then I forgot to unmount and turn it off or it sleeps and everything is like 'noooooooo'
2022-11-02 16:26:36	pulec	jkc: woah woah woah
2022-11-02 16:26:46	pulec	somebody is full oh themselves
2022-11-02 16:27:12	pulec	let me remind you
2022-11-02 16:27:14	pulec	!best
2022-11-02 16:27:14	phrik	Use whatever suits _you_ best.
2022-11-02 16:27:30	pulec	trying to convince someone to use something you're using is dumb, unless they are using manjaro
2022-11-02 16:35:17	Edu4rdSHL	You have a point, ngl
2022-11-02 16:35:54	NetSysFire	arojas: since you maintain plasma-desktop, is this still needed? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE_package_guidelines#Qt5
2022-11-02 16:35:54	phrik	Title: KDE package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-02 16:38:30	mefistofeles	NetSysFire: I don't think that's ever needed, just in case you have older/specific Qt versions, isn't it?
2022-11-02 16:38:37	mefistofeles	and you want to force the
2022-11-02 16:38:40	mefistofeles	*them
2022-11-02 16:38:46	NetSysFire	but qt4 is eol
2022-11-02 16:38:56	NetSysFire	and i'd guess kde doesnt even work with qt4 anymore
2022-11-02 16:39:15	mefistofeles	NetSysFire: yeah, it shouldn't, but okay, your link points to the Qt5 part, maybe you are referring to the whole thing?
2022-11-02 16:39:56	NetSysFire	qt5 should be the default by now and since qt4 is eol, i am fairly sure its not needed anymore
2022-11-02 16:40:07	NetSysFire	but arojas is the packager and knows better than i do
2022-11-02 16:40:20	mefistofeles	NetSysFire: yeah, the PKGBUILD doesn't have to use it, fwiw https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/plasma-desktop/trunk/PKGBUILD 
2022-11-02 16:41:05	arojas	NetSysFire: that is horribly outdated. The QT_SELECT variable it provided by qtchooser which has been gone for years
2022-11-02 16:41:36	mefistofeles	ban arojas !
2022-11-02 16:41:37	mefistofeles	xD
2022-11-02 16:41:45	NetSysFire	arojas: do you want to do the deed or is that a free edit for me?
2022-11-02 16:42:00	arojas	please do
2022-11-02 16:43:25	NetSysFire	theres also some kde4 stuff, it looks like the page needs a cleanup by someone knowing more about this than i do
2022-11-02 16:44:30	arojas	every single line needs to be trashed, except maybe section 6
2022-11-02 16:44:44	arojas	better to not have a page at all than to have this
2022-11-02 16:44:57	NetSysFire	i am flagging this
2022-11-02 16:47:13	NetSysFire	however, i dont know much about packaging so one of the devs has to update the page
2022-11-02 16:50:31	⚡ 	rcf volunteers to update it based on his experience with kde2
2022-11-02 16:51:06	NetSysFire	petition to ban rcf from the archwiki
2022-11-02 17:01:43	roxlu	How can I (if possible) I map the `Menu` key from keyboard? I've used `xev` to see if the key fires any events but it doesn't.
2022-11-02 17:03:39	hichem_	hello there
2022-11-02 17:04:14	hichem_	I'm installing a game and it says I have no space left on device even tho I have 70 gb free space
2022-11-02 17:04:23	rcf	roxlu: without any actual input there’s not much hope for it 
2022-11-02 17:04:58	Scimmia	hichem_: installing how?
2022-11-02 17:06:14	hichem_	I downloaded an executable file from their website
2022-11-02 17:06:43	rcf	roxlu: does it show up under anything documented in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Keyboard_input#Identifying_scancodes
2022-11-02 17:06:44	phrik	Title: Keyboard input - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-02 17:06:49	Scimmia	so who knows what it's trying to put where
2022-11-02 17:07:11	Scimmia	filling /tmp, maybe? Pure guess
2022-11-02 17:08:23	hichem_	I don't know, how do I check? and I have it all on one partition 
2022-11-02 17:08:46	rcf	roxlu: if it does show up as a low level scan code it’s just a matter of fixing your layout to make X know to do so
2022-11-02 17:09:00	rcf	something with it
2022-11-02 17:09:32	susi	roxlu: I have never had a setup where the Menu key isn't recognized in xev; are you sure you focused the xev window?
2022-11-02 17:09:37	rcf	hichem_: tmpfs resides in RAM
2022-11-02 17:11:23	hichem_	oh okay
2022-11-02 17:12:02	hichem_	so I guess I just don't have enough RAM
2022-11-02 17:12:45	tradar	hichem_: how big is the game?
2022-11-02 17:13:13	rcf	Well the installer may or may not be doing that. The point is more that it shouldn’t be. It’s just a guess based on what done programs have been known to do in the past 
2022-11-02 17:13:27	⚡ 	rcf glares at Android Studio
2022-11-02 17:14:39	hichem_	the installer is 600 mb
2022-11-02 17:14:49	hichem_	I have 2gb of RAM
2022-11-02 17:15:41	susi	zram might help
2022-11-02 17:17:14	tradar	if your problem is low RAM (i doubt it actually), you might add a swap file on disk.
2022-11-02 17:17:28	Scimmia	another user with 2G of RAM? We just had one yesterday? That's really odd for a 64-bit system outside of a VPS
2022-11-02 17:18:23	hichem_	I have a swap partition of 4gb
2022-11-02 17:18:30	compute	create a swap file.
2022-11-02 17:19:08	hichem_	I already have a swap partition, is a swap file better ?
2022-11-02 17:19:15	Scimmia	no
2022-11-02 17:19:39	compute	race condition with your message :P hichem_ 
2022-11-02 17:19:41	Scimmia	tmpfs is limited to half your RAM by default, so if that's what's going on, swap won't matter
2022-11-02 17:20:37	Scimmia	you can switch to /tmp on disk, though. Worth a shot
2022-11-02 17:21:01	Scimmia	probably a good thing with such low RAM anyway
2022-11-02 17:21:04	hichem_	compute wtf does that mean ?
2022-11-02 17:21:59	hichem_	how do I do that @Scimmia ?
2022-11-02 17:22:13	compute	i typed the message at the same time you wrote the earlier message.
2022-11-02 17:22:15	Scimmia	I don't remember off the top of my head. Should be in the wiki
2022-11-02 17:23:09	rcf	hichem_: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/tmpfs#Disable_automatic_mount
2022-11-02 17:23:10	phrik	Title: tmpfs - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-02 17:25:49	hichem_	thanks everyone I will check that out
2022-11-02 17:41:04	negen	i am unable to install 3rd party kernels due to depmod not being able to find module_install . Is there a known issue currently with kmod? 
2022-11-02 17:41:20	hichem_	I masked tmp.mount with systemctl and it solved my problem, thanks a lot
2022-11-02 17:47:11	Edu4rdSHL	negen, none
2022-11-02 17:47:26	Edu4rdSHL	Which third part kernel are you installing?
2022-11-02 17:47:45	negen	tested linux-ck and linux-clear 
2022-11-02 17:47:58	Edu4rdSHL	You're trying to build them or just install?
2022-11-02 17:48:09	negen	both same results and think that kmod is not installed 
2022-11-02 17:48:17	negen	build then install 
2022-11-02 17:48:29	Edu4rdSHL	Post the full output
2022-11-02 17:49:11	negen	ok it takes about 7 minutes to complete building 
2022-11-02 17:49:36	raster	negen:  what do you mean "can't find module_install" ?
2022-11-02 17:50:47	negen	says something like "cant find module_install its usasally in the kmod is kmod installed?"
2022-11-02 17:51:05	negen	give me a few minutes and i will post the actual message 
2022-11-02 17:51:38	b-jazz	!paste
2022-11-02 17:51:39	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-11-02 17:51:44	raster	negen: "something like" isnt very useful
2022-11-02 17:51:48	raster	what does it EXACTLY say?
2022-11-02 17:52:05	raster	as "make modules_install" is an install TARGEt
2022-11-02 17:52:08	raster	not some command or tool
2022-11-02 17:52:21	raster	and its modules_install not module_install
2022-11-02 17:52:35	raster	this is the rul for installing the modules when building a kernel
2022-11-02 17:52:44	raster	the rule (make rule/target)
2022-11-02 17:53:05	raster	 i have never heard of a module_install tool or command
2022-11-02 17:53:23	negen	well the build has 3 more minutes then I can post the error 
2022-11-02 17:53:25	raster	and i build and install kernels many times per day and have never seen ot on any machine i have.
2022-11-02 17:53:32	negen	its depmod that complains 
2022-11-02 17:56:48	negen	Warning: 'make modules_install' requires /doesnt/exist. Please install it.
2022-11-02 17:56:50	negen	This is probably in the kmod package.
2022-11-02 17:57:16	negen	thats the exact message 
2022-11-02 17:57:23	⚡ 	jelle looks for ppaste
2022-11-02 17:57:38	Namarrgon	the rest before that and after that is missing
2022-11-02 17:57:45	Namarrgon	are you using a PKGBUILDß
2022-11-02 17:57:47	Namarrgon	?
2022-11-02 17:57:58	mefistofeles	it's the german version of PKGBUILDs
2022-11-02 17:58:13	Namarrgon	extra spicy
2022-11-02 17:58:15	mefistofeles	haha
2022-11-02 17:58:32	another|	Namarrgon: s/ß/ẞ/
2022-11-02 17:58:49	mefistofeles	another|: I cannot even get that one
2022-11-02 17:59:07	Namarrgon	i still don't know how to type that on a regular keymap
2022-11-02 17:59:25	another|	capslock + ß
2022-11-02 17:59:38	negen	i have tried it both with using the pkgbuild file and with using aur helpers and results are the same 
2022-11-02 17:59:48	mefistofeles	another|: doesn't work here
2022-11-02 18:00:01	Namarrgon	negen: is this on arch?
2022-11-02 18:00:11	negen	yes 
2022-11-02 18:00:16	Namarrgon	is base-devel installed?
2022-11-02 18:00:20	negen	yes 
2022-11-02 18:00:20	⚡ 	mefistofeles was preparing the !notarch
2022-11-02 18:00:25	Namarrgon	post the full build log
2022-11-02 18:05:03	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-02 18:05:07	b-jazz	<- newbie to arch/pacman... trying to install python-pip. complains about python-cryptography (38.0.1) not being found. i think 38.0.2 is now available. not sure how to proceed. http://ix.io/4eLA
2022-11-02 18:05:38	Scimmia	b-jazz: update your system
2022-11-02 18:05:40	BrainDamage	just run a -Syu
2022-11-02 18:05:44	astralc	do full update (pacman -Syu)
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2022-11-02 18:06:09	b-jazz	Scimmia: just downloaded and am running the latest vagrant box file
2022-11-02 18:06:17	Scimmia	doesn't matter
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2022-11-02 18:07:00	b-jazz	got it. thanks. running now.
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2022-11-02 18:07:32	b-jazz	Scimmia: BrainDamage: astralc: thanks all. that fixed it.
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2022-11-02 18:09:46	planetmarshall	Hi all. Just installed arch and am having some network issues upon reboot. was working fine in chroot environment.
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2022-11-02 18:10:04	Namarrgon	how did you configure the network connection?
2022-11-02 18:10:07	raster	negen: can you pastebin the whole build log?
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2022-11-02 18:10:38	negen	give me a minute 
2022-11-02 18:10:41	Nnavd	Does anyone use lightdm with i3 around here? I've been trying to figure out what the hell is even initializing i3 in my setup. None of the config files seem to be (xinit, xsession, etc).
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2022-11-02 18:11:10	mingdao	planetmarshall: How did you connect to the internet in chroot?
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2022-11-02 18:11:33	raster	Nnavd: probably the .desktop file shipped with i3?
2022-11-02 18:11:35	Scimmia	Nnavd: that's what lightdm does
2022-11-02 18:11:49	planetmarshall	Namarrgon:  - network interface is listed and up but no network. dhcpcd is enabled, no other network managers running.
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2022-11-02 18:12:11	raster	in /usr/share/xsessions/ <- advanced DM's read these and will execute the given command for you for that session type
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2022-11-02 18:12:28	Namarrgon	planetmarshall: is dhcpcd running? what did it log to the journal? how are you testing the connection?
2022-11-02 18:12:31	Nnavd	Ah ha, I see, that looks like it's the culprit
2022-11-02 18:12:38	astralc	dhcpcd enabled on the interface (dhcpcd@)?
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2022-11-02 18:12:42	ℹ 	radu242758 es conocido ahora como radu24275
2022-11-02 18:12:45	Nnavd	lightdm is starting i3 too early so it fails, main reason why I ask
2022-11-02 18:12:57	astralc	what is too early?
2022-11-02 18:13:12	Nnavd	forces me to restart i3 on boot to make my bars show up properly
2022-11-02 18:13:28	ℹ 	vitali64 es conocido ahora como f-
2022-11-02 18:13:50	Nnavd	essentially, I think it's just polybar being started before the desktop is ready
2022-11-02 18:13:51	astralc	probaly you have something in your i3 config that make sure it work the second time?
2022-11-02 18:14:04	planetmarshall	dhcpcd is active and running.
2022-11-02 18:14:06	Nnavd	I can fix it now that I know what's starting i3 though, thanks
2022-11-02 18:14:38	astralc	change the polybar start to something like  sleep 3; polybar
2022-11-02 18:14:48	ℹ 	f- es conocido ahora como f_
2022-11-02 18:14:50	Nnavd	ye
2022-11-02 18:14:57	another|	planetmarshall: wired or wireless?
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2022-11-02 18:15:27	raster	Nnavd: that sounds like an i3 design issue ... not a lightdm issue. lightdm will run the command i3 says too - the rest is i3's problem (or that command it provides)
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2022-11-02 18:15:54	Nnavd	right, im pretty sure i can fix it via changing the i3 config exec process for polybar
2022-11-02 18:16:04	planetmarshall	ip link shows - `4: enp0... : <BROADCAST, MULTICAST, UP, LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000`
2022-11-02 18:16:07	planetmarshall	wired.
2022-11-02 18:16:26	Nnavd	I just entirely forgot how lightdm was setup as its been a while heh
2022-11-02 18:16:27	another|	how did you setup networking?
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2022-11-02 18:16:41	raster	i find it odd that it allows this foot-shooting...
2022-11-02 18:16:42	Nnavd	need to get around to setting up the system in an ansible file or something like that
2022-11-02 18:16:54	raster	but hey - i probably will never understand i3 etc. :)
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2022-11-02 18:17:08	planetmarshall	`ip route show` shows nothing
2022-11-02 18:17:11	susi	Nnavd: how/where you run polybar
2022-11-02 18:17:13	◣	defjam (~eb0t@90.194.230.74) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2022-11-02 18:17:15	Nnavd	oh you can do a lot of foot shooting with the i3 initialization process
2022-11-02 18:17:25	zipper	Anyone know how to find the primary display in wayland? and no xrandr doesn't work
2022-11-02 18:17:32	Nnavd	i3 config via a launch script susi
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2022-11-02 18:17:43	planetmarshall	@zipper there is no primary display in wayland
2022-11-02 18:17:44	zipper	or better yet how to set the primary display in gnome
2022-11-02 18:17:52	zipper	planetmarshall: Yes, wrong question
2022-11-02 18:17:55	Nnavd	i3 was designed for foot shooting
2022-11-02 18:18:04	zipper	predicament: How to get the list of displays/outputs
2022-11-02 18:18:15	Nnavd	ive been using it for years and I still get tripped up here and there
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2022-11-02 18:18:29	susi	Nnavd: have you tried putting the script @ status_command inside bar { } ? 
2022-11-02 18:18:33	raster	Nnavd: i prefer a wm which just handles it for me... :) i can clicky-pointy configure and not have to run a dozen processes for it to be useful :)
2022-11-02 18:18:37	another|	planetmarshall: dhcpcd.service running? or dhcpcd@enp0.service ?
2022-11-02 18:18:52	zipper	xrandr responds with "cannot open display"
2022-11-02 18:19:34	Nnavd	susi: I'm not sure what you're suggesting, im not using status command
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2022-11-02 18:20:01	ℹ 	f_ es conocido ahora como f
2022-11-02 18:20:13	ℹ 	f es conocido ahora como f_
2022-11-02 18:20:21	susi	Nnavd: sorry nvm, mixed it up with the status bar
2022-11-02 18:21:08	teraflops	zipper: there is gnome-randr in the AUR
2022-11-02 18:21:21	Nnavd	raster: I just like tiling - helps my wrists, but unfortunately, no ones made a simple to configure tiling setup
2022-11-02 18:21:30	Nnavd	as far as im aware
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2022-11-02 18:22:03	raster	Nnavd: ihave tiling if i want it... one of my viritual desktops on one of my screens tiles... but its not really my preferred setup
2022-11-02 18:22:21	raster	and the tiling is all clicky-pointy
2022-11-02 18:22:36	raster	and itd an option i can apply to any screen(s) and any desktop(s) as desired
2022-11-02 18:22:53	raster	but hey - i'm biased :)
2022-11-02 18:23:04	susi	clicky-pointy? I switch between tiles with my keyboard
2022-11-02 18:23:17	raster	i can do that too
2022-11-02 18:23:20	raster	i mean confguring it
2022-11-02 18:23:25	Nnavd	ya no point in tiling without keyboard navigating 
2022-11-02 18:23:26	teraflops	I just hate a tiling WM with gaps
2022-11-02 18:23:29	raster	i cal also click or use mouse focus
2022-11-02 18:23:38	Nnavd	gaps are so wasteful
2022-11-02 18:23:42	raster	i can shift focus by history or geometrically
2022-11-02 18:23:47	raster	aopplies to non-tiling mode too
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2022-11-02 18:24:00	MacGyver	Disagreed, tiling is also quite handy if you *don't* have keyboard navigation.
2022-11-02 18:24:07	MacGyver	(See: Windows)
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2022-11-02 18:24:30	teraflops	stacked WM usually have som tiling features to arrange windows
2022-11-02 18:24:33	teraflops	some^
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2022-11-02 18:24:57	zipper	teraflops: Doesn't work "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'dbus"
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2022-11-02 18:25:29	Nnavd	tiling is especially nice if all your editors are tiled/keyboard based as well, I use evil on doom emacs and vim bindings wherever possible
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2022-11-02 18:25:51	teraflops	hmm, there is another version that does not rely on dbus, gnome-randr-rust
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2022-11-02 18:29:04	⚡ 	raster shrugs
2022-11-02 18:29:22	raster	i'm biased - but i can get the tiling features without a specific tiling wm :) less foot shooting for me :)
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2022-11-02 18:31:14	Ennea	something i've noticed earlier: arch has an audacity package, but not a tenacity one. what happened to that whole privacy ordeal with audacity from a while back?
2022-11-02 18:32:31	ℹ 	tradar_ es conocido ahora como tradar
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2022-11-02 18:33:16	teraflops	zipper: anyways, gnome screen section doesn't list available displays?
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2022-11-02 18:35:18	Ennea	to answer myself: looks like audacity fixed their weirdness https://hackaday.com/2021/07/23/new-privacy-policy-gets-audacity-back-on-track/
2022-11-02 18:35:19	phrik	Title: New Privacy Policy Gets Audacity Back On Track | Hackaday (at hackaday.com)
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2022-11-02 18:43:13	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-11-02 18:43:16	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-11-02 18:49:10	mgariepy	i'm having issues with pixel 6a + fastboot on arch, tl;dr; adb show the device but when in the bootloader it's not showing anywere
2022-11-02 18:49:20	mgariepy	anyone seens this before?
2022-11-02 18:49:59	bea	is anyone aware of a way to pass --operational-state=routable to systemd-networkd-wait-online so that it waits until _any_ interface is routable? i tried passing --any and --o but it appears that --any just waits until an interface is configurable. i am also in a situation where i dont know the name of the interface in advance
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2022-11-02 19:02:52	negen	I have a build log but the sites I normaly use to paste texts claim its too big do you have any reconmended pastbin like sites to use ?
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2022-11-02 19:02:52	ℹ 	VoliKoN3 es conocido ahora como VoliKoN
2022-11-02 19:02:52	nshp	!give negen paste
2022-11-02 19:02:52	phrik	negen: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-11-02 19:03:01	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-11-02 19:03:06	negen	well i guess only partial log is needed 
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2022-11-02 19:11:05	negen	never mind i cannot find any sites that allow me to post logs they seem to be limited to 256kb or 1000kb 
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2022-11-02 19:11:19	negen	thanks anyway for attempting to help 
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2022-11-02 19:11:40	Namarrgon	post the last 1k or 2k lines
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2022-11-02 19:12:46	negen	https://bpa.st/SZVA
2022-11-02 19:12:50	phrik	Title: View paste SZVA (at bpa.st)
2022-11-02 19:13:07	negen	nothing important other than the last line any ways which i already posted 
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2022-11-02 19:13:40	astralc	"this is probably kmod package"
2022-11-02 19:13:45	astralc	pacman -Qi kmod
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2022-11-02 19:14:11	astralc	pacman -Q kmod, no need the i
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2022-11-02 19:14:48	Namarrgon	ls -l / /usr
2022-11-02 19:14:50	negen	https://bpa.st/27WA
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2022-11-02 19:14:53	phrik	Title: View paste 27WA (at bpa.st)
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2022-11-02 19:15:04	Namarrgon	fuck is that?
2022-11-02 19:15:16	astralc	of course, aur'd
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2022-11-02 19:15:29	Namarrgon	you should make notes, so you don't forget which vital packages you replaced with custom ones
2022-11-02 19:15:41	astralc	random aur -git packages, causing break, again
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2022-11-02 19:16:17	negen	no i used the normal kmod at first but since there were some issues i tested the git package 
2022-11-02 19:16:33	negen	thinking it may have been updated 
2022-11-02 19:16:39	astralc	the same issues, or other issues?
2022-11-02 19:16:44	negen	same issue 
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2022-11-02 19:16:46	Namarrgon	that kmod build is from November
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2022-11-02 19:17:19	Namarrgon	go back to the official arch package and post the -Qm output
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2022-11-02 19:17:25	negen	i am thinking it is a symlink that is not setup properly 
2022-11-02 19:17:30	Namarrgon	post the ls output
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2022-11-02 19:19:12	negen	https://bpa.st/3S5A
2022-11-02 19:19:16	phrik	Title: View paste 3S5A (at bpa.st)
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2022-11-02 19:19:33	Namarrgon	"ls -l / /usr"
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2022-11-02 19:20:40	negen	https://bpa.st/2W7A
2022-11-02 19:20:43	phrik	Title: View paste 2W7A (at bpa.st)
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2022-11-02 19:21:54	Namarrgon	"namei -l /sbin/depmod"
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2022-11-02 19:23:24	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-11-02 19:22:34	negen	https://bpa.st/6S7A
2022-11-02 19:22:37	phrik	Title: View paste 6S7A (at bpa.st)
2022-11-02 19:23:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-11-03 17:30:29	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-11-03 17:33:46	solsTiCe	jelle: ok. so that's why
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2022-11-03 18:00:36	ℹ 	Gento167 es conocido ahora como Gento166
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2022-11-03 18:14:33	ℹ 	CalculusCat es conocido ahora como TemporaryilyLing
2022-11-03 18:14:37	ℹ 	TemporaryilyLing es conocido ahora como a
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2022-11-03 18:14:42	ℹ 	a es conocido ahora como CalculusCat
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2022-11-03 18:24:21	CubeTheThird	uhg I swear, we should make a new pacman flag that combines -y and -u, and update guides to do this by default
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2022-11-03 18:24:40	CubeTheThird	the fact that to this day I still find external guides doing -Sy without u baffles me
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2022-11-03 18:25:50	Namarrgon	the universe will just invent a better idiot, like last time
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2022-11-03 18:27:00	CubeTheThird	♪♫tale as old as time♪♫
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2022-11-03 18:32:21	susi	like last time? :o
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2022-11-03 18:39:34	bluetail	CubeTheThird how did you quickpaste the special symbols in here? Did u use a third party special char picker just for ur few words?
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2022-11-03 18:40:15	CubeTheThird	I have a text replace shortcut for music notes
2022-11-03 18:40:15	ℹ 	felixonmars_ es conocido ahora como felixonmars
2022-11-03 18:40:49	bluetail	can it also do 16th, 32th, 64th, 128th?
2022-11-03 18:40:55	Ennea	so many ways to do this, too
2022-11-03 18:41:03	Ennea	i have a macro pad that just inserts emoji
2022-11-03 18:41:39	CubeTheThird	it's literally just ♪♫♪♫. Nothing more. I also have one for ™
2022-11-03 18:41:46	bluetail	ic
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2022-11-03 18:42:17	bluetail	I'm so tired. I scrubbed my toilet for a hour with pumice stone
2022-11-03 18:42:49	bluetail	I probably going to search for a electric bidet cleaning guide soon
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2022-11-03 18:42:56	bluetail	cause theres calc in between the plastic
2022-11-03 18:43:01	bluetail	limestone
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2022-11-03 18:43:59	bluetail	to stay on-topic, perhaps someday theres a robot for even that
2022-11-03 18:44:08	bluetail	that perhaps runs archlinux
2022-11-03 18:44:09	CubeTheThird	try citric acid
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2022-11-03 18:44:55	bluetail	CubeTheThird for the limestone in the toilet? I used it 30 days consecutively with no effect, thats why I bought pumice stone in the first place and it worked
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2022-11-03 18:45:31	teraflops	bluetail: one of the ways to do that is https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/IBus#Emoji_input
2022-11-03 18:45:33	phrik	Title: IBus - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-03 18:45:59	bluetail	thats cool. thanks teraflops
2022-11-03 18:46:20	CubeTheThird	interesting
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2022-11-03 19:17:13	MrElendig	bluetail: limestone and calcination is basically the same thing so..., you need something acidic against alkalines
2022-11-03 19:17:17	MrElendig	and the opposite
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2022-11-03 19:19:09	bluetail	MrElendig the pumice stone is for creating friction without damaging anything. It works. As I said earlier. Putting on acidic substances each day did not workout for me.
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2022-11-03 19:19:38	bluetail	There is much calc in the water. I probably can scrub again in a month
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2022-11-03 19:20:19	bluetail	my the way
2022-11-03 19:20:43	bluetail	it would be much easier if I could fill the toilet with water and just put in washing machine detergent in cause its much more aggressive
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2022-11-03 19:21:39	bluetail	Also I believe the toilet is not 'a good one'. There are some toilets that are better which are not so prone to calc residues
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2022-11-03 19:22:25	MrElendig	stuff a bag with apropiate salt tablets in the cistern
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2022-11-03 19:24:17	bluetail	the cistern is not accessible. I would have to open the thing from the wall, as I do not see any cistern in the first place
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2022-11-03 19:29:30	mefistofeles	I wonder how people are using zoom with arch+wayland? Especially sharing screen and such
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2022-11-03 19:30:26	bluetail	mefistofeles I mean OBS can do it too. Why would zoom have an issue with it?
2022-11-03 19:31:00	bluetail	Perhaps OBS installs packages necessary for that action
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2022-11-03 19:32:49	mefistofeles	bluetail: well, it does, and yeah, a workaround is sharing it through OBS, but that seems like so much boilerplate
2022-11-03 19:33:20	Tazy	ha this is odd, my Adguard shows ping.archlinux.org is consuming the most queries :/ 
2022-11-03 19:33:54	BrainDamage	I use zoom from the browser in X and it has full functionality, I assume the browser would have screen sharing working in wayland too?
2022-11-03 19:33:55	MrElendig	mefistofeles: should work with pipewire
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2022-11-03 20:19:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-11-03 19:51:14	WhyNotHugo	gaku: Don't need root access the rootfs, just remove the disk and put it back.
2022-11-03 19:51:17	jkc	gaku: That's an idiotic response. It prevents the attacker from modifying your system in a way that the compromise becomes invisible.
2022-11-03 19:51:48	mefistofeles	lol "idiotic", so kind 
2022-11-03 19:51:53	gaku	jkc: still missing that attacker
2022-11-03 19:52:03	gaku	if someone gets on my home most likely they'll just steal stuff
2022-11-03 19:52:16	gaku	"oh lemme open this laptop and install a malicious boot loader"
2022-11-03 19:52:20	gaku	--nobody
2022-11-03 19:52:38	WhyNotHugo	Then why bother with supporting SecureBoot at all?
2022-11-03 19:52:40	MrElendig	gaku: that have actually happened 
2022-11-03 19:52:49	jkc	mefistofeles: As kind as intended.
2022-11-03 19:52:50	MrElendig	gaku: though more commonly done remotely
2022-11-03 19:52:58	mefistofeles	jkc: you are jsut rude, man
2022-11-03 19:53:01	mefistofeles	*just
2022-11-03 19:53:14	gaku	"you are not doing what i think its right! you are a moron"
2022-11-03 19:53:27	gaku	that kind of mentality is not healthy
2022-11-03 19:53:55	gaku	MrElendig: someone having remote access to my system sounds like a bigger issue
2022-11-03 19:54:15	jkc	mefistofeles: And?
2022-11-03 19:54:43	MrElendig	see some of the recent persistent malware
2022-11-03 19:54:52	alad_	mefistofeles: some people overcompensate
2022-11-03 19:55:39	gaku	MrElendig: man if i'm running random malware as root secure boot is not gonna protect muh data :p
2022-11-03 19:56:35	mefistofeles	haters gonna hate :P
2022-11-03 19:56:37	gaku	just thinking about it… (install shim, setup grub cuz no more loading modules, add hashes for EVERYTHING, pain)
2022-11-03 19:57:00	MrElendig	you can still load modules when using secureboot
2022-11-03 19:57:14	gaku	MrElendig: sure? i remember reading of that being disabled
2022-11-03 19:57:27	nshp	yeah, I really don't think secureboot is made for randos
2022-11-03 19:57:43	nshp	it makes sense for some enterprise/embedded things
2022-11-03 19:58:09	gaku	nshp: its like that intel enterprise thingy that gets hacked on old hardware
2022-11-03 19:58:13	nshp	but you, random dude on the internet, will be okay if you don't put in all the effort to set that up and actually make it smart
2022-11-03 19:58:42	MrElendig	gaku: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.15/admin-guide/module-signing.html
2022-11-03 19:58:43	phrik	Title: Kernel module signing facility — The Linux Kernel documentation (at www.kernel.org)
2022-11-03 19:58:47	jkc	Probably even better for randos on the internet, frankly.
2022-11-03 19:58:51	MrElendig	er.. s/// to a nwer version
2022-11-03 19:58:57	gaku	MrElendig: that's for the kernel
2022-11-03 19:58:58	gaku	i mean grub
2022-11-03 19:58:59	MrElendig	google just loves to grab the old one
2022-11-03 19:59:02	gaku	grub also has modules
2022-11-03 19:59:08	alad_	mefistofeles: especially online where nobody hits you in the face
2022-11-03 19:59:25	gaku	so you have to build the image with all the modules you will need/use
2022-11-03 19:59:27	mefistofeles	alad_: right
2022-11-03 19:59:59	alad_	mefistofeles: though some people with fragile egos have a similar response on getting +b 🤔
2022-11-03 20:00:19	gaku	i was using secureboot back when i was on systemd-boot and unified efi images
2022-11-03 20:00:25	gaku	anything else is bothersome
2022-11-03 20:00:43	MrElendig	uki would potentially make it easier
2022-11-03 20:00:59	gaku	MrElendig: it makes it infinitely easier
2022-11-03 20:01:16	gaku	tho you'll need bigger ESP than what i have, 8MiB
2022-11-03 20:01:43	MrElendig	tooling side is still somewhat messy if you want to roll your own images
2022-11-03 20:01:52	gaku	then i guess for passwordless luks, something like getting it from the TPM if any
2022-11-03 20:02:06	gaku	never bothered with the TPM that much
2022-11-03 20:02:43	cc0a3hr	after update, I can't open dino (xmpp) client
2022-11-03 20:02:48	gaku	or perhaps a keyfile from an usb
2022-11-03 20:02:53	gaku	cc0a3hr: any logs?
2022-11-03 20:03:07	cc0a3hr	this is log
2022-11-03 20:03:09	cc0a3hr	https://pst.moe/paste/tevnqu
2022-11-03 20:03:11	phrik	Title: tevnqu · pst.moe (at pst.moe)
2022-11-03 20:04:41	gaku	crashes on my end as well
2022-11-03 20:07:09	gaku	i guess it may need rebuild
2022-11-03 20:08:18	gaku	or not, i'm not sure about that
2022-11-03 20:08:41	cc0a3hr	well what can I do
2022-11-03 20:08:44	gaku	does this warrant flagging it as out of date?
2022-11-03 20:09:34	MrElendig	gaku: out of date is NOT for bug rapporting
2022-11-03 20:09:38	gaku	i don't even understand what's going on with libsoup since its still the 2.74.3 out there
2022-11-03 20:09:46	MrElendig	that is what the bug tracker is for
2022-11-03 20:09:51	MrElendig	the opposite is also true
2022-11-03 20:10:09	gaku	MrElendig: that's why i was asking if this was a "oh it needs to be rebuilt"
2022-11-03 20:10:50	MrElendig	latest release is 0.3, arch has 0.3, so its not out of date
2022-11-03 20:10:53	gaku	cc0a3hr: does an old version of dino also explodes?
2022-11-03 20:10:56	MrElendig	its that easy
2022-11-03 20:11:03	cc0a3hr	yea
2022-11-03 20:11:07	cc0a3hr	I tried downgrading
2022-11-03 20:11:29	cc0a3hr	the downgraded version gave: dino: error while loading shared libraries: libicuuc.so.71: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2022-11-03 20:11:39	cc0a3hr	so downgrading here not option
2022-11-03 20:11:39	MrElendig	that is to be expected
2022-11-03 20:11:45	gaku	MrElendig: so pkgrel bumps are not handled with that? at this point i'm just curious
2022-11-03 20:11:51	MrElendig	downgrading is nearly never the solution
2022-11-03 20:11:57	gaku	i guess the maintainer just knows
2022-11-03 20:12:00	cc0a3hr	u are right
2022-11-03 20:12:23	MrElendig	downgrading is similar to doing a partial update, and generally not supported
2022-11-03 20:13:00	MrElendig	rebuild dino using asp/abs and see if that solves it
2022-11-03 20:13:09	MrElendig	though it might be one of its deps that is the problem
2022-11-03 20:14:15	cc0a3hr	I think
2022-11-03 20:14:29	cc0a3hr	in general update after 1-2 days fixes the problem
2022-11-03 20:14:36	cc0a3hr	if I can report bug, where can I report
2022-11-03 20:14:39	MrElendig	relevant:
2022-11-03 20:14:42	MrElendig	!bug 76317
2022-11-03 20:14:43	phrik	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/76317
2022-11-03 20:15:14	MrElendig	so reported (with a bad title) already
2022-11-03 20:17:10	gaku	bleight, i don't like that kind of bugs
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2022-11-03 20:58:33	Caspia	Can anybody help me with my SSD? I just bought it and it was working perfectly fine until about 20 minutes ago, now it's not in lsblk or fdisk, and journalctl tells me "nvme nvme0: Device not ready; aborting initialisation, CSTS=0x0"
2022-11-03 21:00:48	gehidore	have you tried reseating it?
2022-11-03 21:02:09	gehidore	and it's not unheard of for new devices to be doa or fail shortly after being initialized
2022-11-03 21:02:16	gehidore	especially with cheaper nand devices
2022-11-03 21:02:30	WhyNotHugo	What do packagers feel is a good mechanism for a project to announce releases? Just push a tag? RSS? email list?
2022-11-03 21:03:21	Caspia	Didn't try reseating because I screwed it in ~1 hour ago and I did check the connection when I was attaching it, so I thought I'd ask around for a possible software/firmware issue.
2022-11-03 21:04:01	Caspia	gehidore: what's doa? do you mean fail as in it's a faulty product?
2022-11-03 21:04:09	gehidore	dead on arrival
2022-11-03 21:04:31	gehidore	any reboots?
2022-11-03 21:04:58	Caspia	I've rebooted two or three times, into both the os and a live usb
2022-11-03 21:05:57	gehidore	then I'd be reseating hardware otherwise check out #hardware or ##hardware I don't remember which it is
2022-11-03 21:06:02	Caspia	Device is a Silicon Power P34A60 1TB
2022-11-03 21:36:25	demize	WhyNotHugo: A lot of packagers use tools like nvchecker to keep track of releases automatically, so tags are generally the most useful, but any webpage consistently listing the releases works as well.  Mailing lists are generally not that useful from a release notification perspective, they're generally too much noise + manual work compared to automated tools.
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2022-11-03 22:00:44	lolok	alias yay='pacman -Syu'
2022-11-03 22:00:54	vardo	Hello. I just did a full system update (-Syu) and my past desktop background picture vanished (using gnome). Any idea why this happened if I can recover it? It doesn't appear in settings anymore
2022-11-03 22:01:17	vardo	It was a default one when I first installed gnome
2022-11-03 22:01:20	astralc	personal picture or from gnome package?
2022-11-03 22:01:29	vardo	astralc, gnome
2022-11-03 22:01:34	astralc	they may have changed it
2022-11-03 22:01:45	astralc	check /usr/share/background
2022-11-03 22:01:47	vardo	astralc, yeah apparently, it looks like a paint
2022-11-03 22:01:52	vardo	astralc, ok thanks
2022-11-03 22:01:54	astralc	*nackgrounds
2022-11-03 22:01:59	astralc	*backgrounds
2022-11-03 22:01:59	lolok	didnt gnome change the way it does backgrounds now to be time or theme based or something?
2022-11-03 22:02:08	lolok	not using gnome but i read that somehwere
2022-11-03 22:03:19	vardo	astralc, not there
2022-11-03 22:03:35	vardo	lolok, no idea
2022-11-03 22:03:38	jelle	lolok: no?
2022-11-03 22:04:05	astralc	so it was older version of gnome-backgrounds
2022-11-03 22:04:32	vardo	astralc, so I should look for git past tags?
2022-11-03 22:04:40	astralc	knock yourself out: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-backgrounds
2022-11-03 22:04:40	lolok	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zDZd15ydl0
2022-11-03 22:04:41	phrik	Title: GNOME / gnome-backgrounds · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
2022-11-03 22:04:56	vvn	Can you match a udev rule against a symlink instead of the KERNEL attribute?
2022-11-03 22:05:09	vardo	Yeah, I visited this git page earlier but didn't looked in the past yet
2022-11-03 22:05:12	vardo	Thanks
2022-11-03 22:05:28	gehidore	vvn you might be looking for a systemd.path file
2022-11-03 22:05:37	astralc	did you checked older tags?
2022-11-03 22:05:39	astralc	like 40?
2022-11-03 22:06:27	vardo	OK ggt it from 41, BrushStrokes.jpg
2022-11-03 22:06:30	vardo	Thanks again
2022-11-03 22:07:21	vardo	Hmm actually it's not the same exact colors, I will look farther in the past
2022-11-03 22:08:34	vardo	No actually it was more recent, 42's brush-strokes-d.jpg
2022-11-03 22:09:19	vvn	gehidore: not sure to understand why?
2022-11-03 22:09:49	vardo	astralc, thank you, have a good one
2022-11-03 22:11:02	gehidore	vvn I misread what you were asking perhaps
2022-11-03 22:11:08	gehidore	what exactly are you trying to do?
2022-11-03 22:15:12	vvn	gehidore: I'm symlinking /dev entries based on a kernel command line parameter and instead of repeating myself I wanted to set additional rules based on the SYMLINK=="foo" I created
2022-11-03 22:15:46	vvn	I might set an env variable instead 
2022-11-03 22:29:18	rschaller	Hey, does anyone here use chromium? I encountered a weird issue that I'd like to know if it happens to anyone else.
2022-11-03 22:31:50	Ennea	rschaller, might be worth telling us about the issue first
2022-11-03 22:34:01	rschaller	Ennea, so I use invidious to watch youtube videos. On the preferences, I set the "Preferred video quality" to DASH and the "Preferred DASH video quality" to 1080p. Whenever I play SOME videos, it outright crashes chromium with SIGSEGV. It doesn't happen when I'm not using DASH (720p). It also doesn't happen on youtube itself. Disabling hardware acceleration and extensions doesn't do anything, it
2022-11-03 22:34:01	rschaller	still crashes. An example URL that crashes 
2022-11-03 22:34:01	rschaller	chromium: https://invidious.fdn.fr/watch?v=YlvcFJOE-OE
2022-11-03 22:34:03	phrik	Title: Giving iPhones Instead Of Candy on Halloween - Invidious (at invidious.fdn.fr)
2022-11-03 22:38:08	rschaller	Note that this doesn't happen with firefox, only chromium, which is baffling, as I don't usually have any issues with chromium. I also tried another chromium profile and it didn't help.
2022-11-03 22:39:42	rschaller	It doesn't always crash with SIGSEGV, sometimes it crashes with SIGILL. It isn't hitting any hardware resources (memory, CPU, GPU or disk).
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2022-11-03 23:11:41	enoq	is there a way to use your laptop as a monitor for a nintendo switch for instance? apparently windows has some support for that
2022-11-03 23:12:40	vanacity	i think that's more of a hardware thing
2022-11-03 23:12:51	vanacity	most laptops can only output video
2022-11-03 23:15:54	enoq	there's some guy doing it on an iPad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhRNsTuzdck
2022-11-03 23:16:04	enoq	check out how many adapters he had to use
2022-11-03 23:16:49	enoq	hdmi to usb c to usb a to apple dongle
2022-11-03 23:22:06	enoq	https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-network-displays
2022-11-03 23:22:09	phrik	Title: GNOME / gnome-network-displays · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
2022-11-03 23:26:09	enoq	I suppose you'd kinda need to host your own laptop as a miracast display
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2022-11-04 00:18:03	susi	with audit=0 you can't enable it later on in the session
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2022-11-04 00:18:22	susi	or maybe you can, dunno actually
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2022-11-04 00:35:49	alad	tirnanog: I only know the plant adiantum
2022-11-04 00:36:08	alad	oh, this looks nice
2022-11-04 00:36:13	alad	!👍
2022-11-04 00:36:13	tirnanog	alad: it's been available since 5.0. it's very good, for the nice that it occupies.
2022-11-04 00:36:13	phrik	👍
2022-11-04 00:36:14	tirnanog	niche*
2022-11-04 00:39:14	tirnanog	there was a point at which the NSA were trying to get speck deployed as the de-facto cipher for low-end devices. fortunately, there was considerable resistance and adiantium, I believe was partly born of that situation.
2022-11-04 01:06:28	topcat001	nice! I had heard about it in the context of Android.
2022-11-04 01:07:31	topcat001	on a somewhat related note, it seems LUKS2 with 4k sectors is faster than the default 512
2022-11-04 01:09:06	larix	MrElendig: update did indeed break my computer lol
2022-11-04 01:09:27	larix	had to chroot in and uninstall gnome
2022-11-04 01:09:41	larix	since gnome was broken and i couldnt get a tty or anything
2022-11-04 01:11:11	⚡ 	larix slaps MrElendig with trout
2022-11-04 01:12:04	Scimmia	so you uninstalled GNOME instead of swithing to a different tty or booting to multi-user.target? Ok then
2022-11-04 01:12:18	larix	it was frozen i couldnt get a tty
2022-11-04 01:12:39	larix	but yeah probably couldve just disabled graphical.target or somehting
2022-11-04 01:12:44	larix	just running kde now so whatever
2022-11-04 01:12:58	Scimmia	IIRC, the issue was just with GDM anyway
2022-11-04 01:13:08	larix	makes sense
2022-11-04 01:13:13	Namarrgon	did you boot into the multi-user.target?
2022-11-04 01:13:38	larix	i didnt change anything in systemd besides swapping gdm for sddm
2022-11-04 01:13:54	larix	im sure theres 100 better ways i couldve gone about it 
2022-11-04 01:14:11	topcat001	I kind of don't see the point of a DM.
2022-11-04 01:14:50	larix	do you just boot into tty and then systemctl start desktop?
2022-11-04 01:15:00	vanacity	Why? You need a login screen don't you?
2022-11-04 01:15:09	larix	you get a login without dm
2022-11-04 01:15:13	topcat001	startx or sway
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2022-11-04 01:33:34	lolok	uuoc
2022-11-04 01:33:35	larix	perhaps make an executable to sort in place?
2022-11-04 01:33:42	lolok	man sponge
2022-11-04 01:33:43	rcf	bluetail: you can safely use `sort -o /home/def/.aliases /home/def/.aliases` to sort in-place.  
2022-11-04 01:34:30	bluetail	oh :D Thank you rcf
2022-11-04 01:34:45	rcf	bluetail: the info page is more helpful 
2022-11-04 01:35:21	bluetail	yea I was stuck in my pipes :D
2022-11-04 01:35:29	rcf	tl;dr as long as you don't use -m you're fine 
2022-11-04 01:35:43	rcf	Also don't interrupt it 
2022-11-04 01:54:48	cc0a3hr	Guys anyone knows how to switch from gtk filepicker to kde one? I installed kde for it but filepicker still same
2022-11-04 01:55:54	Namarrgon	that depends on the program that starts the filepicker, not all of them let you change it
2022-11-04 01:56:45	cc0a3hr	well every program using gtk 
2022-11-04 01:56:59	cc0a3hr	I still haven't seen kde one yet
2022-11-04 01:57:00	Namarrgon	then the answer is 'no'
2022-11-04 01:57:18	cc0a3hr	isn't there option to change it? or it comes by default?
2022-11-04 01:57:45	Namarrgon	only if the developers went out of their way to explicitly implement it
2022-11-04 02:01:24	cc0a3hr	yeah, it's over
2022-11-04 02:01:35	cc0a3hr	I tried all programs none have qt file picker
2022-11-04 02:03:04	Namarrgon	does it matter that much? all my gui programs look like frankenstein's monster, each one has some random theme, various icon sets and some even switch automatically between dark and light themes nowadays
2022-11-04 02:03:26	Namarrgon	i only kept the fonts somewhat consistent
2022-11-04 02:04:25	tirnanog	bluetail: tmpfile=$(mktemp) && sort ~/.aliases > "$tmpfile" && mv -- "$tmpfile" ~/.aliases would suffice for one-liner aliases. sort -o may seem nicer but it has the same problem as sponge; that of being able to lose data under certain circumstances.
2022-11-04 02:04:40	cc0a3hr	the thing matter is on qt file picker, there are thumbnails but gtk not
2022-11-04 02:04:48	cc0a3hr	also qt looks clearly nicer
2022-11-04 02:05:06	Namarrgon	you haven't seen the qt port of pcmanfm then
2022-11-04 02:06:50	topcat001	I briefly tried to pick the theme for the chrome filechooser but managed to stop myself in time.
2022-11-04 02:09:42	bluetail	tirnanog thanks for the follow up and improvement
2022-11-04 02:14:31	tirnanog	I should add that mv is atomic if not crossing a filesystem boundary. so, something like, tempfile=$(TMPDIR=~ mktemp) is better yet, given that /tmp is a tmpfs in Arch.
2022-11-04 02:14:52	tirnanog	that's unrelated to the topic of data loss, though.
2022-11-04 02:18:03	function1	j c-lightning
2022-11-04 02:18:06	function1	oops
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2022-11-04 02:43:39	tirnanog	what it mans is that you can't read .aliases in a half-written state.
2022-11-04 02:44:06	lolok	we are assuming single line aliases anyway?
2022-11-04 02:44:13	tirnanog	if you have file a and file b, on the same filesystem, and your rename a to b, it's atomic. if, at any point, a process opens and tries to read the file, it will see the contents of either the old copy or the copy, not some mish-mash of both.
2022-11-04 02:44:30	tirnanog	that's the advantage that atomically renaming the tempfile into place brings. it's a different matter.
2022-11-04 02:44:50	tirnanog	yeah, that's a bad assumption. I mean, I wouldn't do this :)
2022-11-04 02:44:51	lolok	theres not some way to catch sort failing? like pipefail?
2022-11-04 02:45:03	tirnanog	what I proposed does so, along with every other step.
2022-11-04 02:45:19	tirnanog	&& stops at the point that the prior command fails.
2022-11-04 02:45:59	tirnanog	it will know whether mktemp failed, whether the shell was unable to open and truncate the tempfile, whether sort failed, and whether an I/O error ocurred while conveying the STDOUT of sort to the tempfile.
2022-11-04 02:46:09	tirnanog	any of those will make it stop and go no further.
2022-11-04 02:46:11	lolok	i suppose it is the better solution, but just generally, if some command in a pipe fails there is no way to stop the rest of the pipe?
2022-11-04 02:46:52	tirnanog	yes, that's right. pipelines are asychnronous by nature. you could pass data along the pipeline so as to be used as an IPC mechanism, or try to use some other means of IPC.
2022-11-04 02:47:42	tirnanog	example: { false; echo $?; } | { read -r status; (( status == 0 || exit )); } | ...
2022-11-04 02:47:49	tirnanog	but that's not going to stop ... from running, whatever it is.
2022-11-04 02:49:02	tirnanog	hence, why cat file | sort > file is bad. you never know who'll win the race. will file be truncated first? maybe.
2022-11-04 02:49:13	tirnanog	or, it could just end up reading data indefinitely, perhaps.
2022-11-04 02:49:24	bigshot00	A stop job is running for Session c1 of user ... (1min 30s) <-- i am getting this message wheni i shutdown why?
2022-11-04 02:50:09	lolok	but that would be the cause of data loss right? i havnt tried killing sponge, but if my understanding of the man page is accurate, sponge was made specifically to avoid this, it doesnt move the tempfile until its done writing to it, right?
2022-11-04 02:50:24	Namarrgon	bigshot00: on arch? or on distrobox-arch?
2022-11-04 02:50:53	bigshot00	it happens when i shutdown the main system
2022-11-04 02:50:54	tirnanog	lolok: again, it doesn't protect against data loss. the biggest problem with sponge is as already stated. firstly, it doesn't know the exit status of whatever conveyed the input. did the writer crash out and print nothing? tough, you lose data.
2022-11-04 02:51:04	Namarrgon	bigshot00: which is which distro?
2022-11-04 02:51:12	bigshot00	arch is distrobox
2022-11-04 02:51:16	bigshot00	guest
2022-11-04 02:51:25	tirnanog	lolok: secondly, there is a finite period of time between opening the file (be it a temp file or not) for writing what it "soaked" up from memory and from actually finishing writing, flushing and closing said file.
2022-11-04 02:51:30	bigshot00	but i am getting message when i shutdown main system
2022-11-04 02:51:38	Namarrgon	bigshot00: then your problem isn't with arch, go and ask your distro's support
2022-11-04 02:52:27	lolok	i guess you cant have your cake and eat it too
2022-11-04 02:52:28	tirnanog	lolok: I mean yeah, if it doesn't re-open the original file initially, that's good.
2022-11-04 02:54:51	tirnanog	lolok: but, with sort > "$tmpfile" && mv, the shell will never run mv unless sort exits 0 _and_ the shell encounters no errors opening, truncating and subsequently writing to $tmpfile. it could be that sponge has good error checking now on the I/O side (I haven't looked in a while) but it's never going to know whether the writer was successful.
2022-11-04 02:55:50	tirnanog	like, false | sponge file is considered just fine. or, a process that dies to a signal is also fine.
2022-11-04 02:58:28	tirnanog	not that I'm trying to scare anyone off from using it. I use sponge myself occasionally, usually interactively and where the stakes are low. but I don't use it in, say, scripts, where correctness becomes my first priority.
2022-11-04 03:00:43	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-11-04 04:20:08	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1426 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1425 normals)
2022-11-04 03:17:26	lolok	was thinking more like sponge <fifo | sed ... >fifo
2022-11-04 03:17:43	lolok	to prevent the race
2022-11-04 03:18:12	lolok	or if its a pipe does sponge not wait for eof?
2022-11-04 03:18:29	lolok	na that would defeate the purpose entirely...
2022-11-04 03:18:37	tirnanog	it's already a race. pipleines are async. >fifo will happen whenever, and so will <fifo. it might deadlock or not.
2022-11-04 03:19:07	tirnanog	at any rate, I'm getting weird results. seems like a deadlock of some kind.
2022-11-04 03:19:26	lolok	i mean it can be open read and write at the same time but data wont be going in and out at the same time ideally
2022-11-04 03:19:54	lolok	or will it never give eof if its open...
2022-11-04 03:20:32	lolok	yea probably block in input forever
2022-11-04 03:22:01	lolok	im gonna go outside and touch grass real quick before i forget and it all flies down south for the winter
2022-11-04 03:22:38	tirnanog	ah, I see. it soaks the input and writes to a tempfile. but then it gets blocked upon opening fifo for writing (which doesn't have any reader at that point).
2022-11-04 03:23:13	lolok	ah so works as intended basically lol
2022-11-04 03:24:08	tirnanog	yes. it doesn't actually use rename. at least, not in my test. interesting.
2022-11-04 03:24:33	tirnanog	that also explains why it doesn't clobber the fifo with a regular file, like busybox sed did.
2022-11-04 03:29:16	lolok	ya know i just realised that any of these solutions would destroy hardlinks too
2022-11-04 03:29:53	lolok	i think maybe i made 5 hardlinks in the last 10 years
2022-11-04 03:40:19	ZLima12	Just curious if anyone knows for sure: can an LVM2 LV safely be extended while it is in use?
2022-11-04 03:40:53	ZLima12	I have my /home mounted in one, and I'd like to expand it while online
2022-11-04 03:41:16	tirnanog	yes. whether your filesystem then can be is another matter (usually yes also).
2022-11-04 03:42:49	ZLima12	tirnanog: Thanks! I'm using btrfs, and from what I understand it supports it as well. Was originally surprised that it accepted the path of a mounted filesystem instead of the device file for operations like a resize.
2022-11-04 03:43:20	tirnanog	yes, anything even remotely mainstream should have robust online extending capabilities.
2022-11-04 03:45:25	ZLima12	Not surprised, but I've been burned by assumptions when it comes to this sort of thing, so I like to triple check. I'd imagine that online shrinking isn't the same story, though
2022-11-04 03:48:01	tirnanog	btrfs likely has an avantage in shrinking, owing to its design. ext4 can work, but it depends on circumstances. xfs doesn't bother supporting it.
2022-11-04 03:50:17	lolok	you can use 'stat' to see if a file has hardlinks but is there some way to tell where they are located?
2022-11-04 03:52:23	tirnanog	lolok: I don't think there's any way other than to collect inode numbers and look for a match.
2022-11-04 03:53:07	tirnanog	find -samefile could be useful.
2022-11-04 03:54:28	tirnanog	e.g. touch f1; ln f1 f2; find . -samefile f1 # will do what you expect
2022-11-04 03:55:21	bwanda	my screen is fliking to sleep?
2022-11-04 03:57:49	bwanda	while working
2022-11-04 04:00:03	bwanda	it could be the hardware issue?
2022-11-04 04:03:41	lolok	bwanda if its a laptop with a lid close switch thats pretty common
2022-11-04 04:04:06	bwanda	lid is not closed. but filkring to sleep
2022-11-04 04:04:13	bwanda	it*
2022-11-04 04:04:43	lolok	that switch maybe the hardware problem
2022-11-04 04:05:03	bwanda	okay thanks
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2022-11-04 04:52:01	TaZeR	would someone please recommended me a simple image hosting page where i can just upload a jpeg to show people, all the ones I searched don't look like places id want my files to go
2022-11-04 04:52:23	TaZeR	cli interface or web whatever works
2022-11-04 04:52:49	Psi-Jack	What?
2022-11-04 04:52:55	mefistofeles	TaZeR: imgur? google drive? dropbox? aws s3?
2022-11-04 04:53:16	keir	lots of pastebins support images
2022-11-04 04:53:16	Psi-Jack	Oh, imgur yeah.
2022-11-04 04:53:19	TaZeR	i was hoping to avoid those mainstream cluttery ones with registrations
2022-11-04 04:53:42	TaZeR	what ever happened to very minimalist ones where you just send ur jpeg and u get a link in return?
2022-11-04 04:53:52	TaZeR	like "ix" is for hosting text
2022-11-04 04:53:59	Psi-Jack	Never seen a image bucket bin like that ever.
2022-11-04 04:54:08	keir	you mean like how ix supports images?
2022-11-04 04:54:15	mefistofeles	yeah, it's significantly more costly for images
2022-11-04 04:54:31	mefistofeles	but you can use some of these services for images, sure
2022-11-04 04:54:46	TaZeR	they usually have some kinda limits on size but they were around just had to know the secret link but i lost em all
2022-11-04 04:55:05	TaZeR	someone gave me a good one or two a long time ago
2022-11-04 04:55:52	TaZeR	looking for something like that again but if not ill need an alternative i guess
2022-11-04 04:57:12	TaZeR	maybe ill try one of those free vps services and host my images there or something
2022-11-04 04:57:32	TaZeR	but seems like a lot of overhead for something so small
2022-11-04 04:57:59	TaZeR	does mega.nz host images?
2022-11-04 04:58:08	TaZeR	i have a cloud account there
2022-11-04 04:58:18	TaZeR	i guess ill find out dont kow why im asking lol
2022-11-04 04:58:42	TaZeR	alraedy had my midnight big mac and spleef
2022-11-04 04:58:51	TaZeR	aight thanks guys
2022-11-04 04:58:57	TaZeR	i think i got it from here
2022-11-04 04:59:01	mefistofeles	!next
2022-11-04 04:59:01	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-11-04 05:06:09	alschaapman	TaZeR: 0x0.st
2022-11-04 05:06:31	TaZeR	alschaapman: omg thts the one haha
2022-11-04 05:06:34	mefistofeles	lol
2022-11-04 05:06:39	TaZeR	thats the one i was using before that i forgot
2022-11-04 05:06:45	TaZeR	thank you
2022-11-04 05:07:25	alschaapman	Surprised it's not in the channel topic. I thought it was at one point
2022-11-04 05:07:42	alschaapman	Anyway it's long been popular on Arch IRC
2022-11-04 05:07:53	alschaapman	!paste
2022-11-04 05:07:54	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-11-04 05:08:06	keir	oh i may have been thinking of 0x0 when i said ix
2022-11-04 05:08:23	alschaapman	I really feel like that should be updated to include 0x0.st
2022-11-04 05:10:01	alschaapman	Can you upload text to 0x0.st on stdin? Feels like maybe there's some trick with curl that could do that
2022-11-04 05:10:10	⚡ 	alschaapman starts poking around in the curl manpage
2022-11-04 05:10:36	rinkydink	specify - as the filename.
2022-11-04 05:10:49	keir	!ix
2022-11-04 05:10:50	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-11-04 05:10:55	TaZeR	i actualy wanted to show off my pokemons: https://0x0.st/ogJV.jpg
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2022-11-04 05:33:35	bwanda	how much swap partition i should make if i have 8gb of physical ram?
2022-11-04 05:33:53	keir	bwanda: what you using the swap for?
2022-11-04 05:34:28	bwanda	keir: i do not know why i need swap for? lol
2022-11-04 05:34:44	keir	bwanda: you don't need to have a swap at all
2022-11-04 05:35:14	rcf	bwanda: assuming a sane filesystem, just use a swap file. Adjust as needed, no need to worry about it. 
2022-11-04 05:35:50	keir	or even zram
2022-11-04 05:37:40	keir	swap file isn't a bad show if you're unsure. you can easily remove it all together later on if you want to
2022-11-04 05:37:49	keir	!give bwanda swap
2022-11-04 05:37:50	phrik	keir: Error: I can't change the topic, I'm not (half)opped and #archlinux is +t.
2022-11-04 05:38:02	keir	!give bwanda aw swap
2022-11-04 05:38:03	phrik	bwanda: Swap - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Swap
2022-11-04 05:38:16	alschaapman	bwanda: A swapfile is an option, but Btrfs has explicitly warned against it in the past. Not sure what current status is
2022-11-04 05:38:43	rcf	It is doable but a pain in the ass
2022-11-04 05:39:13	alschaapman	Other file systems are probably fine to use a swap file. Not sure about swap file vs partition performance if you're using LVM or a thin provisioning
2022-11-04 05:39:38	alschaapman	Intuitively it seems like you wouldn't want to put a swap file on thinly provisioned LVM but I can't give you a technical reason why
2022-11-04 05:41:02	alschaapman	Also +1 for ZRAM. You may not need any swap at all.
2022-11-04 05:41:13	alschaapman	(Unless you require suspend to disk)
2022-11-04 05:42:14	rcf	With LVM it’s moot because a partition isn’t annoying to modify anymore 
2022-11-04 05:42:27	alschaapman	I was speaking of a swap file specifically
2022-11-04 05:43:07	alschaapman	LVM is just overall a great way to go
2022-11-04 05:46:30	bwanda	ok keir thanks
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2022-11-04 06:22:42	⚡ 	Constantin Good morning.
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2022-11-04 08:17:20	phrik	Title: Btrfs - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-04 08:18:31	alschaapman	Yeah, seems a bit needlessly compliated. I'm curious what's the worst things could go wrong if you fail to follow the instructions?
2022-11-04 08:19:00	alschaapman	But then, following instructions is what the Arch documentation is for. If it's supposed to be safe when done right, have at it
2022-11-04 08:19:40	alschaapman	Yeah I gave up on Btrfs a couple years ago, although I continue to find it potentially very exciting
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2022-11-04 09:07:12	uniqNuuid	h4rd3n3d: so you consider brtfs stable enough?
2022-11-04 09:12:14	Edu4rdSHL	BTRFS has been stable enough since a lot of years for non RAID 5/6 setups
2022-11-04 09:12:57	BrainDamage	anedontal: but I haven't had data loss with btrfs in 10 years of usage
2022-11-04 09:12:57	BrainDamage	in the early time I did get bit by a nasty behaviour/bug, but that got fixed
2022-11-04 09:13:41	BrainDamage	when space was running low, you could run out of metadata but not data, and in order to resize the metadata you'd need more space, deleting things would only make stuff worse due to COW
2022-11-04 09:14:19	BrainDamage	so the workaround was to raid a new drive for metadata, let it strip it there, and then remove the raid
2022-11-04 09:21:32	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-11-04 09:39:52	amosbird	Hmm, is [] a valid json?
2022-11-04 09:40:09	grawity	yes
2022-11-04 09:40:39	ishitatsuyuki_	you can always try with JSON.parse in your browser's console or node.js
2022-11-04 10:01:53	Edu4rdSHL	Or just a random JSON validator page :p
2022-11-04 10:02:23	grawity	some parsers deliberately don't accept JSON of scalars or of non-dict objects, but those are still valid
2022-11-04 10:08:59	Ennea	i wish everybody could agree to use json5 instead of plain old json
2022-11-04 10:11:01	throstur	!xkcd standards
2022-11-04 10:11:02	phrik	throstur: No results found.
2022-11-04 10:11:05	throstur	!standards
2022-11-04 10:11:05	phrik	How standards proliferate: http://xkcd.com/927/
2022-11-04 10:12:31	enyc	hehe
2022-11-04 10:12:48	Ennea	:D
2022-11-04 10:12:48	enyc	phrik: not "extend existing standard to amalgamate with another?" nor "deprecate a standard" ?
2022-11-04 10:12:48	phrik	enyc: BLEEP BLOOP
2022-11-04 10:13:12	enyc	phrik: you trying to make payphone cuckoo-tones ??!?
2022-11-04 10:13:12	phrik	enyc: NO, YOU trying to make payphone cuckoo-tones ??!?
2022-11-04 10:13:14	Ennea	json5 is just so comfortable
2022-11-04 10:13:35	enyc	phrik: some sort of bot?
2022-11-04 10:13:36	phrik	enyc: Is that a question?
2022-11-04 10:13:57	Ennea	i see you're having fun ;p
2022-11-04 10:14:41	throstur	if phrik doesn't get you the first time, you're probably pretty arrogant lol
2022-11-04 10:15:40	enyc	throstur: ''get you'' ??!?
2022-11-04 10:16:05	throstur	however you interpret it, it's probably that (but not in a sexual way, you weirdos)
2022-11-04 10:17:01	enyc	throstur: whats' throstur 's interpretation?
2022-11-04 10:31:52	throstur	for a brief moment, you'd think phrik could pass the Turing test, let's just leave it at that
2022-11-04 10:35:50	Gagis	whats the catch with json5 then?
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2022-11-04 12:12:14	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1454 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1453 normals)
2022-11-04 11:03:32	Edu4rdSHL	Lets use XML for config files
2022-11-04 11:05:29	Ennea	pls no
2022-11-04 11:05:58	astralc	then yaml?
2022-11-04 11:07:56	Gagis	yaml is nice
2022-11-04 11:10:46	BrainDamage	let's use ASN.1 config files
2022-11-04 11:11:39	Ennea	yaml is neat, too, yea
2022-11-04 11:12:01	Ennea	BrainDamage, let's implement our own ASN.1 parser
2022-11-04 11:12:11	dandels	Apparently yaml is quite complex. I'm using toml for my project.
2022-11-04 11:12:17	Ennea	which is buggy and allows, through a few other bugs, the installation of improperly signed firmware
2022-11-04 11:12:22	Ennea	we call that "pulling a nintendo"
2022-11-04 11:12:24	Ennea	thanks nintendo, though
2022-11-04 11:12:48	Ennea	dandels, toml is really nice. iirc, python 3.11 ships with a toml module
2022-11-04 11:13:36	astralc	toml is like bad if your config is more than 2 level deep
2022-11-04 11:13:51	astralc	or with complex list
2022-11-04 11:14:12	Ennea	because of readability, or other reasons?
2022-11-04 11:14:38	astralc	readability and writeability
2022-11-04 11:14:46	Ennea	i'm almost willing to say that's a good thing, though
2022-11-04 11:14:56	Ennea	if you have a _config_ that's more than two levels deep, isn't that a badly designed config?
2022-11-04 11:15:26	astralc	well.... pyproject.toml IS badly designed IMHO
2022-11-04 11:15:31	dandels	Hope my project doesn't come to needing nested configs. I'm already mired in the complexity of what I thought is relatively simple
2022-11-04 11:19:52	Ennea	astralc, i haven't actually looked at any of those since the use of toml there was introduced. sad to hear, though
2022-11-04 11:22:17	Edu4rdSHL	TOML is good, but still needs to be a lot more popular. There's still a big number of ppl who doesn't know about TOML and they are like "what's that?"
2022-11-04 11:23:19	dandels	it's fairly standard in the rust ecosystem, which is how i ended up using it
2022-11-04 11:24:04	Edu4rdSHL	Well, yeah, in Rust ecosystem for sure
2022-11-04 11:24:17	Edu4rdSHL	But would be nice to get it out of the niche :)
2022-11-04 11:25:47	dandels	easy, if everyone starts using rust then rust's choice *is* the standard
2022-11-04 11:58:09	WhyNotHugo	toml is nice in Rust because you usually deserialise to strict types. On non-typed languages it gets ambiguous because `false` can be a string or a bool.
2022-11-04 11:59:50	artefact	it's just another ini-like
2022-11-04 12:00:02	artefact	i guess it'll stay niche like yaml vs json
2022-11-04 12:06:54	bblinky	Is there a speciffic reason that I can't make a network bridge with my wifi interface as the slave through the nm gui?
2022-11-04 12:07:31	artefact	probably yes, but you'll need to give us more info
2022-11-04 12:07:34	grawity	it's because wi-fi stations can't send packets from a MAC address different than their "radio" MAC
2022-11-04 12:07:59	artefact	can they not? i remember being able to do that in my aircrack days
2022-11-04 12:08:12	grawity	not in a way that most APs will accept
2022-11-04 12:08:49	grawity	there's a 4-address "WDS bridge" mode for point-to-point links but good luck enabling it on a generic home router
2022-11-04 12:09:14	bblinky	That makes sense.. So basically if I need to make a bridge for my VMs to have "real" internet access I have to use an etheret network?
2022-11-04 12:09:39	grawity	either that, or put them in a separate routed network
2022-11-04 12:09:44	artefact	wait, all cheap routers have wireless and wired on the same subnet. do they not use a s/w bridge?
2022-11-04 12:10:03	grawity	yes but they're access points, not stations
2022-11-04 12:10:14	grawity	the link layer is asymmetric
2022-11-04 12:10:18	artefact	right, of course. my bad
2022-11-04 12:10:33	grawity	two MAC address fields for the AP side, only one for the station side
2022-11-04 12:10:37	bblinky	kk, will read up on routed networks then :)
2022-11-04 12:11:04	grawity	"routed network" is literally just having virbr0 its own separate subnet, and letting the host act as a router (IP forwarding)
2022-11-04 12:11:20	grawity	libvirt probably calls it NAT mode or something
2022-11-04 12:12:12	grawity	virtualbox has its own bridge implementation that does NAT for MAC addresses, so it works on wi-fi interfaces
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2022-11-04 12:49:05	bblinky	Turns out I just had to adjust the DNS settings
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2022-11-04 13:18:06	susi	deepin config?
2022-11-04 13:18:48	susi	but probably other similar network-managing programs for Arch use the same ping url
2022-11-04 13:18:50	Tazy	yeah there is a deepin.dde.daemon.conf file in /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d with an interval of 30 seconds for conectivity 
2022-11-04 13:19:46	susi	Tazy: with some different uri= ?
2022-11-04 13:20:06	susi	other than ping.arch..
2022-11-04 13:20:52	Tazy	there is no url in that file susi 
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2022-11-04 14:23:55	phrik	uuidNuniq: Btrfs - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Btrfs
2022-11-04 14:24:34	Psi-Jack	BtrFS I've used for quite a few years now.
2022-11-04 14:25:37	phrik	h4rd3n3d: Say what?
2022-11-04 14:37:41	Foxboron	hm?
2022-11-04 14:37:55	Psi-Jack	Oh, definitely. It's also the default in Garuda Linux, Fedora, openSUSE, and I'm sure there's some others.
2022-11-04 14:38:34	rcf	I use btrfs and f2fs, with ext4 for backups because the former have definitely eaten data but I just can’t resist 
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2022-11-04 15:02:29	artefact	ext4 will also eat your data, it just will do it silently
2022-11-04 15:02:43	artefact	(insert joke about e2fsck being able to create a mountable fs off /dev/urandom)
2022-11-04 15:03:01	artefact	no filesystem will solve the "how do i backup" problem
2022-11-04 15:04:55	cc0a3hr	How can I set shortcut to open terminal programs in kde? Like weechat.
2022-11-04 15:05:41	mefistofeles	cc0a3hr: with konsole?
2022-11-04 15:05:49	artefact	$(xterm -e weechat) ?
2022-11-04 15:06:13	mtn	cc0a3hr: you can create menu items in the main menu, too
2022-11-04 15:06:25	cc0a3hr	with console
2022-11-04 15:06:32	mefistofeles	konsole -e cmd
2022-11-04 15:06:40	mefistofeles	so, konsole -e weechat
2022-11-04 15:06:42	cc0a3hr	but where
2022-11-04 15:06:52	mtn	cc0a3hr: main menu is good....
2022-11-04 15:06:57	dviola	can btrfs checksums still save you from bitrot when using the default profile (DUP)? my understanding is that DUP will keep duplicate copies of every file on the fs with DUP (when not using RAID)
2022-11-04 15:07:51	cc0a3hr	can't set on settings shortcuts
2022-11-04 15:07:56	mefistofeles	cc0a3hr: you can also create custom shortcuts in system settings
2022-11-04 15:07:58	cc0a3hr	only guiprograms
2022-11-04 15:08:14	mtn	cc0a3hr: you can in the main menu.....
2022-11-04 15:08:23	⚡ 	mtn gives up
2022-11-04 15:08:49	cc0a3hr	kde menu editor?
2022-11-04 15:08:56	cc0a3hr	what is main menu man
2022-11-04 15:09:19	mefistofeles	cc0a3hr: so,d o you want a keyboard shortcut or a menu entry?
2022-11-04 15:09:20	mtn	cc0a3hr: the menu button on the panel
2022-11-04 15:09:34	mtn	cc0a3hr: right click to access options
2022-11-04 15:10:46	cc0a3hr	keyboard shortcut, I did all gui programs but can't do terminal ones
2022-11-04 15:11:21	mefistofeles	cc0a3hr: I just tested it and it works, custom shortcuts, add new group and command is `konsole -e cmd`
2022-11-04 15:12:41	cc0a3hr	but where, the shortcut section on main settings or kde menu editor?
2022-11-04 15:13:49	mefistofeles	CUSTOM SHORTCUTS
2022-11-04 15:14:02	mefistofeles	cc0a3hr: new group there
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2022-11-04 15:46:43	ishan	I'll go bother pipewire devs and request them to add a feature to limit volume 
2022-11-04 15:50:02	ishan	https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/issues/1517
2022-11-04 15:50:06	phrik	Title: [Ear Safety] Volume Limit (#1517) · Issues · PipeWire / pipewire · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2022-11-04 15:52:23	ishan	why do electron apps flicker when I change volume
2022-11-04 15:53:11	Ennea	how do they flicker? frame of white, frame of black? something else?
2022-11-04 15:54:27	Koragg	sounds like it could be screentearing, a window manager like i3 does not come with a compositor. I had problems with white flicker on youtube videos until I got picom configured properly and started with my window manager
2022-11-04 15:54:53	ishan	Ennea: video https://dl.ishanjain.me/x11.flicker.mp4 
2022-11-04 15:54:59	ishan	And it's actually not just electron apps
2022-11-04 15:54:59	vulpine	maybe the flickering intended, chromium's engine is called Blink, after all :P
2022-11-04 15:55:04	ishan	thunar and few other apps also flicker
2022-11-04 15:55:20	ishan	Koragg: I am using picom but I am not sure if it's configured properly. 
2022-11-04 15:55:28	ishan	I am just waiting to switch to wayland now. :( 
2022-11-04 15:55:37	Koragg	I had to make changes to the default config, and start it up with specific switches
2022-11-04 15:55:56	Koragg	is it alright to link my picom.conf from github dotfiles here? or is that considered advertisement in a way?
2022-11-04 15:56:13	ishan	Koragg: Please do! It'll help me in fixing my config if it's broken 
2022-11-04 15:56:26	throstur	really just go ahead
2022-11-04 15:56:38	Koragg	https://github.com/KoraggKnightWolf/dotfiles/blob/archlinux/.config/picom/picom.conf <--- the whole config, maybe just compare it to yours side by side and see what the differences are
2022-11-04 15:56:58	ishan	idk but I think it's probably more like root x11 window stealing focus away from the app to process volume update? 
2022-11-04 15:57:00	Koragg	I then add this to an autostart (e.g. in dwm): picom --vsync -r 12 --no-fading-openclose -b &
2022-11-04 15:57:16	Koragg	with my config and that way autostarting, no more flickering on youtube (which is where I mostly noticed it)
2022-11-04 15:57:50	Koragg	biggest difference I believe is using the glx backend instead of the default xrender one 
2022-11-04 15:58:06	Ennea	ishan, that looks like "intended". i'm assuming your volume changes make discord lose focus for a very short time
2022-11-04 15:58:11	Koragg	I got my changes from googling, people had the same issues, one dude put his changes up and I adpated them to mine
2022-11-04 15:58:19	Ennea	ishan, discord does not change the background of hovered messages when out of focus
2022-11-04 15:58:25	Ennea	(i think)
2022-11-04 15:58:35	Ennea	yea, it doesn't. just tested it again
2022-11-04 15:58:36	ishan	They do
2022-11-04 15:59:05	ishan	It's different color when mouse is on a message and changes back to background color when mouse is moved away or window goes out of focus 
2022-11-04 15:59:21	Ennea	when i put something else in front of discord, hovering over messages in discord does not change their background color anymore. hence, a focus change may explain your "flickering"
2022-11-04 15:59:42	Ennea	because if your volume change also briefly switches focus, that'd already explain it
2022-11-04 15:59:45	Ennea	you know what i mean?
2022-11-04 16:01:10	ishan	Ennea: Yep, I understand 
2022-11-04 16:01:27	ishan	Koragg: Mine and your config is exactly the same except for opacity settings and fading setting 
2022-11-04 16:02:09	Koragg	maybe that could help? also do you start yours up the way I start up mine? it made a difference at least for me, when using dwm, so I am quite happy with it for my setup
2022-11-04 16:13:30	ishan	Koragg: i3 starts picom at startup
2022-11-04 16:16:21	Koragg	I meant with the extra flags I give it, do those make any difference for you?
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2022-11-04 16:43:02	mattf	Inside my PKGBUILD i have: DESTDIR=${pkgdir} make install    inside that makefile we have: install -m644 warpd.1.gz $(DESTDIR)$(PREFIX)/share/man/man1/    yet still that env var seems to be ignored: install -m644 warpd.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/
2022-11-04 16:43:03	mattf	install: cannot remove '/usr/share/man/man1/warpd.1.gz': Permission denied
2022-11-04 16:45:37	mattf	Does environment variables dont work the same way in PKGBUILDS ?
2022-11-04 16:47:13	thrice	they work even better
2022-11-04 16:48:27	thrice	But no, nothing special afaik.  I'm not very good with makefiles though, so couldn't troubleshoot it
2022-11-04 16:48:39	mattf	weird
2022-11-04 16:48:51	mattf	ill make a test with a script that echoes the variable
2022-11-04 16:51:55	mattf	yeah it works
2022-11-04 16:52:08	mattf	so for some reason it is just make
2022-11-04 16:52:38	thrice	does quoting pkgdir work? make DESTDIR="$pkgdir" install
2022-11-04 16:53:02	mattf	ive done a test like this:   export DESTDIR="/anyshit"
2022-11-04 16:53:08	mattf	but nothing changes
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2022-11-04 17:17:33	narcissus	Hi! I am just testing my connection. Can you hear me?
2022-11-04 17:17:38	Psi-Jack	No.
2022-11-04 17:17:42	dTal	absolutely not
2022-11-04 17:17:46	Psi-Jack	I don't have Text to Speech enabled.
2022-11-04 17:18:01	narcissus	Thanks! ;-)
2022-11-04 17:18:29	throstur	Did someone say something?
2022-11-04 17:19:17	narcissus	I just set up my XMPP server to connect to IRC. So I wondered if everything was working.
2022-11-04 17:21:29	Psi-Jack	Ugh...
2022-11-04 17:21:47	Psi-Jack	The worst thing ever. but good luck with that.
2022-11-04 17:22:23	narcissus	Psi-Jack: Why? Biboumi works quite well...
2022-11-04 17:22:44	Psi-Jack	It's the XMPP as a whole that... Yeah, nuff said.
2022-11-04 17:22:54	narcissus	https://github.com/louiz/biboumi
2022-11-04 17:23:27	narcissus	XMPP has more functionality than IRC IMHO.
2022-11-04 17:28:47	Psi-Jack	That's not an opinion. That's fact. but it's still XMPP, great ideas implemented horribly and incompletely. 🙂
2022-11-04 17:29:32	krumelmonster	Did #archlinux finally move to #archlinux-ontopic :P
2022-11-04 17:30:05	⚡ 	Psi-Jack moves on.
2022-11-04 17:30:11	narcissus	krumelmonster: Sorry...
2022-11-04 17:30:37	krumelmonster	No problem, just thought it was funny. Keep up the tinkering :)
2022-11-04 17:30:50	throstur	functionality is not a matter of opinion, or to put into a pun: functionality is nota function of perspective
2022-11-04 17:43:13	jb1277976	What's a good email client for mailing list? besides gmail can't use mutt cause it dosen't support gmail anymore. looking for something good
2022-11-04 17:44:10	throstur	thunderbird maybe idk it's okay
2022-11-04 17:47:08	jb1277976	just mailing list. looking for a counsel mail client. mutt is out of the questino im guessing since i use gmail
2022-11-04 17:50:45	bookworm	jb1277976: not sure why you think gmail isn't working with (neo-)mutt. It still is
2022-11-04 17:51:08	jb1277976	bookworm: oath or something right?
2022-11-04 17:51:16	bookworm	oauth, yes
2022-11-04 17:51:45	bookworm	or app specific passwords on an oauth enabled account 
2022-11-04 17:51:55	bookworm	either works 
2022-11-04 17:53:06	jb1277976	aw, so use the app specific password for mutt and then just set it up?
2022-11-04 17:54:16	bookworm	yes?
2022-11-04 17:54:22	bookworm	not sure if that's a question 
2022-11-04 17:54:36	bookworm	it won't magically configure itself
2022-11-04 17:59:14	jb1277976	yea lol, Thanks for the info
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2022-11-04 18:25:27	tijko	jb1277976 couldn't you just write your own with python and POP, IMAP, STMP proto libs?
2022-11-04 18:26:11	tijko	jb1277976 i mean reading the RFC's and doing your own from scratch in C might be overkill
2022-11-04 19:17:29	peepsalot	is there a way to downgrade a package to a specific version, and automatically fix up all dependencies?
2022-11-04 19:18:22	thrice	not really, no
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2022-11-04 20:26:39	Brutus	when you do ip route add default etc. how do you save that? or is that saved by default? 
2022-11-04 20:26:55	Brutus	(very very very minimal install on a vm somewhere over the internet)
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2022-11-04 20:44:48	artefact	how are you configuring your interfaces?
2022-11-04 20:44:56	Namarrgon	Brutus: it's not saved at all. one usually uses some sort of management daemon like systemd-networkd, or NM
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2022-11-04 20:56:20	Brutus	artefact: i'm not really. default route has been added, address has been added. 
2022-11-04 20:56:27	Brutus	should look into network manager i guess
2022-11-04 20:56:42	Brutus	hoped i could just add it to a text file somewhere
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2022-11-04 20:57:49	pluto316	you can, with systemd-networkd
2022-11-04 20:58:03	pluto316	but network manager makes things a bit more complicated
2022-11-04 20:58:16	pluto316	it likes to take ultimate control
2022-11-04 20:58:50	MrElendig	networkmanager doesn't rally complicate it
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2022-11-04 20:59:23	Brutus	i'll google systemd-networkd, haven't used that before
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2022-11-04 20:59:45	MrElendig	arch wiki it instead
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2022-11-04 21:00:27	Brutus	that's a very valid point
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2022-11-04 21:07:06	Brutus	ok great, that appears to be working. Nov 04 20:06:02 archlinux systemd[1]: Reached target Network.
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2022-11-05 12:55:49	Ennea	yea, i've had some fun experiences with dying HDDs in the past. just never had an SSD die on me (yet)
2022-11-05 12:55:51	throstur	could it be another component? of course... obviously... but the disk is generally the botleneck already so it's likely to be most noticeable
2022-11-05 12:55:55	Ennea	i was wondering if the symptoms were maybe different
2022-11-05 12:56:17	Ennea	rcf, ah, interesting. that makes a lot of sense when i think about it, actually :D
2022-11-05 12:56:17	grawity	we've had seveal SSDs "die" in that their *read* speed dropped down to kilobytes per second
2022-11-05 12:56:23	throstur	Ennea: YMMV but just assume you will get hit by sudden death
2022-11-05 12:56:34	grawity	(not for the whole SSD, but for a certain pattern, like every Xth gigabyte)
2022-11-05 12:56:48	Ennea	grawity, yikes. fun. could you still retrieve all the data, but super slowly?
2022-11-05 12:56:55	Ennea	ah, not the whole one. gotcha
2022-11-05 12:56:57	grawity	yeah, left a ntfsclone running overnight
2022-11-05 12:57:04	Ennea	throstur, yea, i got backups of important files
2022-11-05 12:57:11	demonicmaniac	grawity: samsungs? i remember that was an issue with the 830 and 840 early samsungs
2022-11-05 12:57:16	grawity	it'd clone a few GB in a blink, then a few GB in ~15 minutes, then a few GB in a blink, ...
2022-11-05 12:57:27	grawity	demonicmaniac: no, cheapo adata su650's
2022-11-05 12:57:29	demonicmaniac	where old written data would pretty much fail to retain data and speed drop
2022-11-05 12:57:30	Ennea	well, as long as it finished successfully at some point.. better than nothing
2022-11-05 12:57:36	grawity	afterwards, ATA enhanced-secure-erase kind of restores them to normal
2022-11-05 12:57:41	demonicmaniac	hmhm might be the same issue with the controller not rewriting them
2022-11-05 12:57:58	demonicmaniac	ssds will fail to retain data what wasn't rewritten frequently or at least refreshed
2022-11-05 12:58:08	Ennea	i actually read a story on HN the other day (think it was HN) from somebody working in a generic PC repair shop. they had somebody bring in a macbook with a failing drive. the twist was, copying a file would fail once or twice, but succeed on the third try. all the same file
2022-11-05 12:58:36	Ennea	the poster supposedly then installed filezilla and copied everything to a different machine via ftp, periodically re-queueing all the failed jobs
2022-11-05 12:58:41	Ennea	until everything was copied successfully
2022-11-05 12:59:03	grawity	tbh all the desktops at work now have restic running off Task Scheduler, so important files are taken care of
2022-11-05 12:59:05	demonicmaniac	that might just be a short on the drive or the cable
2022-11-05 12:59:18	demonicmaniac	too many CRC errors on the way
2022-11-05 12:59:23	demonicmaniac	irrecoverable etc
2022-11-05 12:59:41	grawity	one thing about cheap SSD brands is that sometimes different batches use entirely different controllers inside
2022-11-05 13:00:01	Ennea	i have a feeling this also happens with non-cheap options sometimes...
2022-11-05 13:00:06	demonicmaniac	indeed that's why i don't buy from cheapo brands
2022-11-05 13:00:11	grawity	serial numbers different, SMART data has all different fields, death symptoms different as well
2022-11-05 13:00:15	demonicmaniac	non cheapo at least usually just change the flash used
2022-11-05 13:00:25	demonicmaniac	sandisk/crucial/samsung
2022-11-05 13:00:26	Ennea	okay, maybe not _that_ different for the non-cheap ones :D
2022-11-05 13:00:26	Frogging101	Writes less than blocksize to the same file, spread out over enough time that they don't get chunked
2022-11-05 13:00:31	Frogging101	How's that?
2022-11-05 13:00:39	Frogging101	to the same block*
2022-11-05 13:00:44	demonicmaniac	but somebody like adata is just a rebrander buying both flash and controller from wherever he can get something cheaply
2022-11-05 13:00:54	grawity	the SU650s with controller A "die" by becoming really slow, ATA wipe restores them; the ones with controller B "die" by becoming readonly and ignoring any write command
2022-11-05 13:00:55	demonicmaniac	at least sandisk/crucial produce their own flash 
2022-11-05 13:01:39	demonicmaniac	sandisk sometimes uses qlc and tlc in one series which is very horrible but *shrugs* usually works. kingston as well
2022-11-05 13:01:49	Ennea	i haven't yet had any sandisk SSDs, but i only ever buy their sd cards and i'm quite happy with those at least
2022-11-05 13:01:52	demonicmaniac	i'd never buy anything other than sandisk/kingston/crucial/samsung tbh
2022-11-05 13:02:01	grawity	I don't trust kingston tbh
2022-11-05 13:02:03	Ennea	yea, probably a good idea not to
2022-11-05 13:02:13	Ennea	kingston seems to have fallen from grace, if you can call it that
2022-11-05 13:02:18	demonicmaniac	or toshiba which are now called... exceria? something?
2022-11-05 13:02:22	grawity	heard good things about newer WD SSDs though
2022-11-05 13:02:23	Ennea	i've read multiple times throughout the last 5 or so years that kingston now sucks
2022-11-05 13:02:32	demonicmaniac	kioxia that's the name
2022-11-05 13:02:53	demonicmaniac	kioxia are former toshiba ssd division which is pretty good
2022-11-05 13:02:54	rcf	I read exceria in a way that implies it's something to be avoided 
2022-11-05 13:03:23	demonicmaniac	grawity: wd and sandisk merged, wd greens are just rebranded sandisks
2022-11-05 13:03:38	grawity	wd greens are the cheap sata ones, right?
2022-11-05 13:03:44	grawity	what about wd black
2022-11-05 13:03:50	demonicmaniac	they also have green m.2
2022-11-05 13:04:04	grawity	yeah but I was looking for sata m.2 for the IDE adapter and wd green was what popped up
2022-11-05 13:04:09	demonicmaniac	sandisk also has their ultra stuff which is more like he sn5xx/7xx
2022-11-05 13:04:12	demonicmaniac	the blacks are their own thing
2022-11-05 13:04:25	demonicmaniac	i think
2022-11-05 13:05:05	demonicmaniac	i've had a few kingston a400 sata and a2000 nvme and they're all pretty decent. not the fastest but very nice for the price
2022-11-05 13:08:22	Vorpal	aaah, I used a CD-RW that reads fine in a modern computer but gives me read errors in the old computer. Either I need to re-burn it at a slower speed, or the old drive is failing, or it doesn't like CD-RWs
2022-11-05 13:08:48	grawity	lots of old drives can't quite read CD-RWs
2022-11-05 13:09:05	demonicmaniac	it's a good habit to always burn 4x or 2x though
2022-11-05 13:09:10	grawity	can't remember if it's that they need slightly more sensitivity or something along those lines
2022-11-05 13:09:11	Vorpal	yeah but this drive is from 1999 I think
2022-11-05 13:09:15	demonicmaniac	faster burning always causes more jitter and read errors
2022-11-05 13:09:31	Vorpal	I'll go to 4x. The CD-RW says 4x-10x
2022-11-05 13:09:37	demonicmaniac	and maybe don't do the optimum power calibration thing for the burner which might make it use less power
2022-11-05 13:09:43	Vorpal	dragestil: what you are saying sounds familiar. But I had forgotten it over the years
2022-11-05 13:10:33	Vorpal	err demonicmaniac I meant
2022-11-05 13:10:47	demonicmaniac	for me it's usually the other way round i still have an ancient ide 2x cd burner that reads pretty much any disk but the modern drives all crap out on few scratches heh
2022-11-05 13:10:49	Vorpal	also: I don't remember optimum power calibration
2022-11-05 13:11:05	Vorpal	can't find it in k3b?
2022-11-05 13:11:40	demonicmaniac	dunno about k3b but you can set in cdrwtools usually for the driver
2022-11-05 13:11:51	Vorpal	maybe my external USB CD/DVD/blueray doesn't have that feature
2022-11-05 13:12:04	rcf	demonicmaniac: for CD-RW you wouldn't necessarily want that, it's not like normal CD-R where more power is always more readable 
2022-11-05 13:12:10	demonicmaniac	cdrw usually contain a sort of power calibration segment on the disc where the burner can try to write and see if he can read it back
2022-11-05 13:12:20	Vorpal	oh it does it automatically
2022-11-05 13:12:33	Vorpal	"medium or device does not support writing at 4x, switching to 10x"
2022-11-05 13:12:35	Vorpal	-_-
2022-11-05 13:12:40	demonicmaniac	heh
2022-11-05 13:12:59	rcf	I've had issues with newer discs in old machines for that reason. They're going too slow, trying to force it makes an unreadable mess. 
2022-11-05 13:13:20	Vorpal	welp. I do have another SATA DVD burner I could use. Not easily accessible. And with a broken belt for opening the door
2022-11-05 13:13:31	demonicmaniac	i've never heard of a burner unable to support slower speeds
2022-11-05 13:13:39	rcf	With -RW it is the norm. 
2022-11-05 13:13:39	Vorpal	rcf: this is an old disc in a new machine
2022-11-05 13:14:16	demonicmaniac	guess i haven't burned cdrw in ages, all the dvd-/+rw i burned supported down to 2.4x
2022-11-05 13:14:19	Vorpal	it's a "Fujifilm 700 MB unformatted CD-RW 4X-10X". Doesn't say when it was made. But I bought these back when CD-RWs were common
2022-11-05 13:14:23	demonicmaniac	on the 2 or 3 burners i had
2022-11-05 13:14:47	Vorpal	demonicmaniac: 1x CD != 1x DVD. DVDs go way faster
2022-11-05 13:14:59	rcf	demonicmaniac: I ran into this on a particularly old powerbook with only 1x DVD-RW support. Had to seek out an old disc to make it work. 
2022-11-05 13:15:00	demonicmaniac	i am aware
2022-11-05 13:20:00	rcf	In this case, though, I'd imagine it's more a case that modern drives are mostly intended for DVD, and 10x CD is just over 1x DVD. 
2022-11-05 13:21:01	rcf	Any media anyone can find new will work well above that, so they don't bother implementing the slower CD speeds in hardware. 
2022-11-05 13:21:05	demonicmaniac	still odd though because the rpm isn't faster on dvd for the motor it's just the density
2022-11-05 13:21:49	Vorpal	yeah that is odd, huh
2022-11-05 13:23:38	rcf	demonicmaniac: in this case they've decided that simplifying the laser is cheaper than slowing down the motor. 
2022-11-05 13:24:57	rcf	Keeps the required (modulation) frequency response in roughly the same range regardless of media. 
2022-11-05 13:26:01	artefact	i've also noticed my laptop will burn cd-rs at ~10x (cav) even if i set a lower speed in software. might be the medium, though
2022-11-05 13:28:06	rcf	In my tests with identical media, it's always the drives that impose this limitation. 
2022-11-05 13:28:27	demonicmaniac	rcf: it's so crazy to consider that we now have drives that don't even support reading cds/dvds anymore and are bluray only for price/simplicity
2022-11-05 13:28:45	rcf	Indeed
2022-11-05 13:29:19	Warepire	"that we now have drives that don't even support reading cds/dvds anymore", what?
2022-11-05 13:29:25	throstur	hey kids, wanna buy some DVD-Rs full of pirated avi files?
2022-11-05 13:29:42	throstur	kids gonna be like "what is a DVD"
2022-11-05 13:29:47	throstur	"who is avi"
2022-11-05 13:29:57	artefact	"what's a file?"
2022-11-05 13:30:06	demonicmaniac	cd/dvd use a different kind of laser than bluray so there are no some slim cheap bluray drives that don't have ye "olde" laser anymore
2022-11-05 13:30:25	demonicmaniac	also ps5/xboxseriesx 
2022-11-05 13:30:32	demonicmaniac	or was it only ps5? i forget
2022-11-05 13:30:37	artefact	all three have a different wavelength/focal distance afaik
2022-11-05 13:30:41	rcf	First noticed in cheaper set top box players trying to keep costs way down 
2022-11-05 13:30:46	rcf	"they already have a DVD player don't they?" 
2022-11-05 13:30:52	artefact	on a cd the pits are on the label, mostly, on dvds the pits are sandwiched in the middle
2022-11-05 13:31:56	demonicmaniac	first i noticed was some just not supporting DL anymore for simplicity
2022-11-05 13:51:10	Vorpal	shame, with the 2-5 years. I successfully copied a 486 era HDD. No problems.
2022-11-05 13:51:35	Vorpal	I notice some SMD caps on it look suspcious though, so probably good that I did it now
2022-11-05 13:52:32	dagle	Foxboron: Ask Alan how to do it.
2022-11-05 13:52:46	Foxboron	Allan*
2022-11-05 13:52:50	artefact	"do you guys not have grub?" =)
2022-11-05 13:52:55	dagle	I broke his name.
2022-11-05 13:56:28	Vorpal	oh interesting software installed on this HDD
2022-11-05 13:56:45	Vorpal	Visual Basic Professional. No version, maybe first version?
2022-11-05 13:58:33	gaku	Visual Basic 0.0.0.0.1
2022-11-05 13:58:45	Vorpal	probably first commercial one
2022-11-05 14:02:59	Vorpal	also I have found a ton a personal information spread out all over the HDD. Tends to be a real problem with these old systems. Users just put files wherever
2022-11-05 14:11:01	demonicmaniac	Vorpal: the older/lower density the drive the longer it will retain the data
2022-11-05 14:11:23	demonicmaniac	same with ssds technically, old 35nm slc flash will retain data longer without power than modern 7nm qlc flash
2022-11-05 14:11:50	demonicmaniac	the higher the density on modern magnetic disks the more likely there is magnetic field corruption 
2022-11-05 14:38:35	Budd	I just upgraded my system (pacman -Syu), which showed one error that linux-XXX failed to download due to slow speed, but completed the upgrade anyway (perhaps tried again for that file?)
2022-11-05 14:39:18	sheep	if you have multiple mirrors in pacman's mirrorlist then it will try again with another mirror
2022-11-05 14:40:16	Budd	The problem came after I started the reboot - I got a kernel panic because /usr/lib/libkmod-... (I think) had an invalid ELF header. How the system won't boot; I get a half-screen full of something in an unreadable blocky font, ahd it's hung.
2022-11-05 14:40:35	Budd	*Now* the system won't boot, I mean.
2022-11-05 14:41:16	sheep	an invalid ELF header would likely mean taht there was file corruption
2022-11-05 14:41:26	sheep	how did you reboot?
2022-11-05 14:41:43	Budd	That's what I figure. I rebooted with '/sbin/shutdown -r now'
2022-11-05 14:42:14	sheep	you should use systemctl reboot, but I think shutdown -r now is just a wrapper around systemctl reboot
2022-11-05 14:42:29	Budd	As a short-term fix, can I boot from an Arch USB stick and reinstall whatever package has libkmod?
2022-11-05 14:42:32	sheep	yes
2022-11-05 14:42:43	sheep	do that and pacman -S linux in chroot
2022-11-05 14:43:14	sheep	or pacman -S kmod
2022-11-05 14:44:24	Budd	long-term, is there a nice way to shapshot my btrfs root before every upgrade, and optionally boot from it later? I think I could do this manually if I studied it, but has anyone packed it up nicely?
2022-11-05 14:44:53	sheep	someone probably did it, but I never tried
2022-11-05 14:45:41	Vorpal	Budd: yes, there is snapper (which I use). I think there is a third party add on to snapper that integrates it with the grub menu, but I haven't tried that
2022-11-05 14:45:51	Vorpal	saw it mentioned on the wiki
2022-11-05 14:46:39	ectospasm	snapper can do that, but I don't use it that way.
2022-11-05 14:46:39	phrik	Title: Btrfs - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-05 14:48:18	Budd	Also, is there a way to tell GRUB or kernel to leave my console fonts alone during boot? It a;ways switches to an unreadable font/resolution after the grub menu, and becomes readable again for the login prompt.
2022-11-05 14:49:13	Vorpal	not really afaik, but you should be able to set your own font
2022-11-05 14:50:08	Budd	I'm not sure whether it's grub or the kernel that causes the problem.
2022-11-05 14:52:39	sheep	nomodeset will prevent most video drivers from working properly in X
2022-11-05 14:52:51	sheep	and probably wayland too
2022-11-05 14:53:12	Budd	It looks like the character size is normal or slightly larger, but blocky, like a 3x4 font scaled up. 
2022-11-05 14:54:28	artefact	did you override the default font in /etc/vconsole.conf? (are you using sd-vconsole hook?)
2022-11-05 14:55:46	Budd	No, I've never messed with boot or console fonts.
2022-11-05 15:42:09	Budd	I got the system up with a USB stick, and find that a handful of libraries, including kmod and crypto, are empty files. I can't run pacman in chroot, because it needs libcrypto.
2022-11-05 15:42:29	artefact	your usb stick is garbage, likely.
2022-11-05 15:42:49	artefact	or you yanked it out with ext4 -o data=writeback?
2022-11-05 15:43:01	Budd	Sorry - the zero-size files are on my regular boot disk, which is what I'm trying to fix.
2022-11-05 15:43:44	sheep	Budd: exit chroot, pacman -r /mnt pacman -S openssl
2022-11-05 15:44:27	Vorpal	could be hardware failure given that you said you were using btrfs, which in my experience is rock solid
2022-11-05 15:44:55	Budd	ah - I was wondering if pacman could do that - thanks!
2022-11-05 15:45:06	artefact	empty files doesn't sound like btrfs
2022-11-05 15:45:13	artefact	usually it splats csums errors or ptvf
2022-11-05 15:45:35	Budd	I'm stumped as to the cause; the upgrade that immediately preceded the problem seemed fine, and I just ran a btrfs scrub a couple days back.
2022-11-05 15:45:56	Budd	Plenty of free disk space on the volume, too.
2022-11-05 15:46:15	Vorpal	Budd: any SMART errors on the SDD?
2022-11-05 15:46:17	Vorpal	SSD*
2022-11-05 15:46:36	Vorpal	smartctl -HAl error /dev/<whatever your disk is>
2022-11-05 15:46:50	Budd	Don't think so, but I'll definitely check. There was a power outage this morning (before the upgrade) that caused a rude reboot.
2022-11-05 15:46:59	Vorpal	artefact: indeed
2022-11-05 15:47:10	Budd	But I haven't found those to cause btrfs corruption in the past.
2022-11-05 15:47:19	artefact	shouldn't matter with btrfs. unless pacman truncates files like a caveman while upgrading (maybe it does) 
2022-11-05 15:47:40	caveman	i never truncate.  i zap directly.
2022-11-05 15:47:56	Budd	Those files were definitely not being written when the power outage happened.
2022-11-05 15:48:14	artefact	You zap the wand called "death"! The ray bounces! You die... Do you want your possessions identified? [ynq]
2022-11-05 15:48:38	Budd	that game has cost me weeks of my life.
2022-11-05 15:49:02	Budd	But I only like the console version; the X version controls are all weird.
2022-11-05 15:49:36	Budd	Now I want to play it again.
2022-11-05 15:50:54	artefact	i have one ascension on nao, that was back in 3.4.3
2022-11-05 15:51:19	throstur	who had that succubus quote again?
2022-11-05 16:09:41	artefact	if you can mount the fs, run scrub, check is mostly useless
2022-11-05 16:12:19	Budd	I'm running btrfs scrub; only 16% done. No errors so far.
2022-11-05 16:13:50	Budd	I was able to reinstall a few packages with pacman -r (pacman --sysroot was preferred by the man page didn't work). The install worked, but complained about a ton of truncated libraries (I assume ldconfig flagged them).
2022-11-05 16:14:27	Ennea	("i'm running btrfs scrub" sounds like a low key insult 😎)
2022-11-05 16:14:59	Budd	Is there a way to verify all installed files against their original package?
2022-11-05 16:16:07	Budd	This seems to be a widespread and unexplained set of errors (truncations and empty files), and I don't think I can assume the damage is limited to /usr/lib.
2022-11-05 16:16:55	Budd	SMART data is fine on both disks (it's 2-disk btrfs using raid1)
2022-11-05 16:20:26	Budd	If I understand correctly, each chunk on each mirror is checksummed, so undetected disk corruption should not happen.
2022-11-05 16:24:43	Scimmia	Budd: just reinstall all packages
2022-11-05 16:33:31	dfg	can i change xinput defaults without writing an xorg.conf?
2022-11-05 16:39:13	artefact	don't think so, no
2022-11-05 16:41:46	Budd	pacman -Qkk is finding a few more packages with bad files (though it doesn't distinguish between empty/truncated/corrupted)
2022-11-05 16:43:02	Budd	I've reinstalled enough that pacman --sysroot works; haven't tried rebooting yet. Weird problem, but I'm pretty sure it was caused (or triggered at least) by pacman doing the system upgrade.
2022-11-05 16:44:02	Budd	Does reinstalling with pacman -S mark a package as "manually installed", or does arch not care about that sort of thing?
2022-11-05 16:44:37	Scimmia	reinstalling doesn't change the install reason
2022-11-05 16:44:44	Budd	good.
2022-11-05 16:50:06	Psi-Jack	That sounds like what he was asking about.
2022-11-05 17:02:47	mmt47	powertop reports idle power consumption as 9.54watts (ryzen 5 5600u), tlp enabled, using amd_pstate
2022-11-05 17:02:55	mmt47	isn't that too much?
2022-11-05 17:04:19	mmt47	according to google some people achieve 4-5watts idle? any tips?
2022-11-05 17:04:57	mmt47	i'm using a minimal sway setup with display brightness at 30%
2022-11-05 17:11:50	demonicmaniac	platform power draw depends on a trillion factor from working pcie aspm to lpm/apm for sata or m.2 working properly and enabled to wifi chip and its powersaving mode or keeping pcie and cpu awake etcppppp
2022-11-05 17:12:06	demonicmaniac	same cpu in different laptops can be 5w difference due to platform power
2022-11-05 17:14:26	mmt47	demonicmaniac: dmesg reports that acpi fadt reports that system doesn't support aspm so disable it but lspci -vv shows some components with aspm l1 enabled
2022-11-05 17:15:31	mmt47	buggy bios i think
2022-11-05 17:19:47	RoyK	where can I find the 'host' and 'dig' utils in arch? I mean which package
2022-11-05 17:20:32	fl4co	RoyK: in the bind package
2022-11-05 17:20:50	RoyK	ok
2022-11-05 17:23:09	RoyK	hm - and dns search? where can I set that? I have configured static ipv[46] addresses
2022-11-05 17:23:11	grawity	?pacman -F dig
2022-11-05 17:23:12	@EMIYA	grawity: extra/bind 9.18.8-2 (/usr/bin/dig), community/epic4
2022-11-05 17:23:36	grawity	DNS search domains go in resolv.conf, so you set them wherever you set your static DNS
2022-11-05 17:24:08	grawity	like if you're directly editing resolv.conf, then add a "search example.com" there
2022-11-05 17:24:09	RoyK	seems resolv.conf is autogenerated 
2022-11-05 17:24:10	RoyK	# This is /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf managed by man:systemd-resolved(8).
2022-11-05 17:24:13	RoyK	# Do not edit.
2022-11-05 17:24:18	RoyK	thus the question
2022-11-05 17:24:27	grawity	same answer
2022-11-05 17:24:41	grawity	where does resolved get its DNS from? networkd DHCP? NetworkManager? static?
2022-11-05 17:25:05	grawity	if you configure stuff via systemd-networkd, you probably have [Network] DNS= there, so add a Domain= in the same place
2022-11-05 17:25:06	RoyK	I just thought eth0.network should have been the place to put it
2022-11-05 17:25:17	RoyK	ok
2022-11-05 17:25:32	grawity	actually, Domains=
2022-11-05 17:25:37	RoyK	ah
2022-11-05 17:25:46	grawity	networkctl reload and it should push that to resolved
2022-11-05 17:26:09	RoyK	danke
2022-11-05 17:26:48	RoyK	do I use comma or space as a separator between those?
2022-11-05 17:27:01	throstur	nein
2022-11-05 17:27:07	throstur	sorry, couldn't resist
2022-11-05 17:27:11	RoyK	hehe
2022-11-05 17:27:19	throstur	IIRC you just add 2 entries
2022-11-05 17:27:20	grawity	space or multiple Domains= lines, similar to the rest of systemd
2022-11-05 17:27:35	artefact	space, see systemd.network(5)
2022-11-05 17:27:54	throstur	I would probably use multiple Domains= lines personally for faster future readability
2022-11-05 17:27:59	throstur	when you skim through grep output etc
2022-11-05 17:28:57	RoyK	throstur: danke ;)
2022-11-05 17:29:25	throstur	bitte ^^
2022-11-05 17:43:16	bwanda	my screen goes to sleep , what should i do to prevent it?
2022-11-05 17:43:34	artefact	$(xset s off -dpms)
2022-11-05 17:46:03	bwanda	if i closed my lid will it sleep?
2022-11-05 17:46:30	artefact	likely yes. see /etc/systemd/logind.conf
2022-11-05 17:48:30	Justice	Updated arch recently after not using it for a while. Now that I try to launch steam it just crashes. https://gist.githubusercontent.com/CommanderAlchemy/49817e57d403de26411950442b51e862/raw/8caeff15983538d02b2bcfcb9292b5f4f06e1a46/gistfile1.txt
2022-11-05 17:48:35	Justice	any idea what it could be?
2022-11-05 17:48:52	Justice	glibc issue?
2022-11-05 17:49:02	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-05 17:49:06	◣	Forsaken87 (~quassel@ip-095-222-024-221.um34.pools.vodafone-ip.de) ha salido (Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)
2022-11-05 17:49:23	Namarrgon	is that with the native runtime?
2022-11-05 17:49:24	◣	pppkin (~pppkin@113.108.198.146) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2022-11-05 17:49:31	Justice	no 
2022-11-05 17:49:43	Justice	steam runtime
2022-11-05 17:49:45	Justice	https://gist.github.com/CommanderAlchemy/49817e57d403de26411950442b51e862#file-gistfile1-txt
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2022-11-05 17:49:52	Justice	have the steam in the comment of the gist
2022-11-05 17:50:07	Justice	steam/ steam output*
2022-11-05 17:50:26	heat	> [2022-11-05 17:46:36] Opted in to client beta 'publicbeta' via beta file
2022-11-05 17:50:29	heat	please don't?
2022-11-05 17:50:36	Justice	i have no idea how to remove it..
2022-11-05 17:50:41	Namarrgon	what about the native runtime?
2022-11-05 17:50:55	heat	i don't even know how you opted in
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2022-11-05 17:51:07	Justice	heat: steam=>settings
2022-11-05 17:51:15	◥	astralc (~astralc@2a00:a040:19c:a103::1000) has joined #archlinux
2022-11-05 17:51:38	heat	well yes, but how do you opt out lol
2022-11-05 17:51:51	heat	there's a beta file apparently?
2022-11-05 17:51:54	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-11-05 17:53:07	ℹ 	Tema establecido por alad (alad@archlinux/op/alad) el jue, 28 jul 2022 19:12:50
2022-11-05 17:53:08	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1452 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1451 normals)
2022-11-05 17:53:11	heat	i'm seeing steam --reset and steam --reset --clearbeta as possible solution
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2022-11-05 17:53:13	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-05 17:53:16	heat	(in https://steamcommunity.com/groups/SteamClientBeta/discussions/1/490123727975541235/?ctp=2)
2022-11-05 17:53:18	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-11-05 17:53:18	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-05 17:53:19	phrik	Title: Linux Support :: Steam Client Beta (at steamcommunity.com)
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2022-11-05 17:53:49	◣	mtn (~mtn@98.97.42.142) ha salido (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2022-11-05 17:54:11	Justice	hm clearbeta does nothing...
2022-11-05 17:55:02	◣	piggynl_ (~piggy@219.217.246.227) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2022-11-05 17:56:14	thurstylark	Justice: as far as the native runtime, that's shipped in multilib/steam-native-runtime
2022-11-05 17:56:19	Justice	well moving old steam folder and "reinstall" seems it oped out
2022-11-05 17:56:21	◣	toinux (~toinux@45.13.105.229) ha salido (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2022-11-05 17:56:34	Justice	but it still crashes
2022-11-05 17:57:10	thurstylark	yeah, I'm definitely curious what the native runtime gives you
2022-11-05 17:57:29	Justice	hm same thing with native ;/
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2022-11-05 17:58:58	Justice	https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/8270
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2022-11-05 17:59:09	Justice	one solution there "reinstall all packages"...
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2022-11-05 18:00:26	Toxmi	!paste
2022-11-05 18:00:26	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-11-05 18:00:54	Toxmi	!rs
2022-11-05 18:00:54	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
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2022-11-05 18:03:41	Toxmi	I am trying to write a bash script that access an online API using a curl command. There is a -d option for data which take json-like inputs. However, I don't know how can I handle putting an "$1" argument in one of the field since I could only use it with single qutation for whole multi-line to pass to curl.
2022-11-05 18:03:42	Toxmi	Here is the script:
2022-11-05 18:03:43	Toxmi	https://paste.rs/ath
2022-11-05 18:04:07	Psi-Jack	Toxmi: Have you tried #bash ?
2022-11-05 18:04:35	Toxmi	Psi-Jack: yes, it's bash (if you check the script)
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2022-11-05 18:04:41	thurstylark	yeah, this'll be a better question for #bash
2022-11-05 18:04:57	Toxmi	right, thanks
2022-11-05 18:05:00	Psi-Jack	Toxmi: Yes... But there's a bash specific channel with very knowledable bash scripters...
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2022-11-05 18:05:11	Toxmi	got it, thanks
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2022-11-05 18:06:35	Justice	hm I wonder if its the dns issue
2022-11-05 18:06:59	thurstylark	!dnshaiku
2022-11-05 18:07:00	phrik	"It's not DNS / There's no way it's DNS / It was DNS"
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2022-11-05 18:08:08	Justice	trying to launch steamdeck ui : https://gist.githubusercontent.com/CommanderAlchemy/9029036f530c6ba7e8e6f976a99b3c28/raw/fe4a575a83c0907c80dfae14f0124b119278b7d2/gistfile1.txt
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2022-11-05 18:08:35	Justice	the http errors seem odd
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2022-11-05 18:09:15	thurstylark	Justice: do you know you have a dns weirdness? what points you in that direction?
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2022-11-05 18:09:35	Justice	the [2022-11-05 18:06:02] Error: Steam needs to be online to update.	 Please confirm your network connection and try again.
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2022-11-05 18:10:43	thurstylark	is networking fine for other things, or is it just steam having trouble?
2022-11-05 18:10:53	Justice	everything else works
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2022-11-05 18:12:58	thurstylark	"HTTP client not initialized" is an interesting error. Wonder what it's trying to use for that...
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2022-11-05 18:14:02	thurstylark	googling for that exact string brings up nothing :P
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2022-11-05 18:15:26	Justice	munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer gets hits though
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2022-11-05 18:18:57	thurstylark	curl is in the package deps, so maybe that's what it's trying to use?
2022-11-05 18:19:13	⚡ 	thurstylark is admittedly stabbing the dark here...
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2022-11-05 18:22:15	Justice	reinstalling every pkg maybe will help | welp
2022-11-05 18:22:40	alad	maybe on windows
2022-11-05 18:23:08	Justice	thats what helped some people in the github thread
2022-11-05 18:23:18	Psi-Jack	Is it steam, or steamdeck which is vastly different.
2022-11-05 18:23:24	Justice	steam
2022-11-05 18:23:36	Psi-Jack	Then why did you claim the steamdeck ui earlier?
2022-11-05 18:23:47	Justice	just tried to launch another ui if that helped
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2022-11-05 18:24:25	Psi-Jack	Steamdeck is /very/ specific to... Well, /the/ Steam Deck,.
2022-11-05 18:24:34	thurstylark	if the http client isn't working, then *no* ui can be downloaded and installed
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2022-11-05 18:25:00	thurstylark	wasn't the steamdeck ui released for the beta channel recently?
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2022-11-05 18:25:34	rcf	alad: I unplug my system during updates just to prove that reinstalling packages is useful
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2022-11-05 18:26:37	alad	rcf: got 'em
2022-11-05 18:26:57	Justice	been using the same system for 7 ish years so..
2022-11-05 18:27:04	Justice	but feels odd that it just suddenly happens
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2022-11-05 18:27:36	thurstylark	Justice: if you want to pursue the "reinstall all packages" route, I'd suggest looking in the output of `pacman -Qkk` for any irregularities first
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2022-11-05 18:29:54	Justice	anything specific?
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2022-11-05 18:32:27	thurstylark	checksum mismatches would be a pretty big red flag. That would indicate that files that are tracked by the package have been changed since install
2022-11-05 18:33:26	thurstylark	it may also be prudent to make sure you aren't in the partial update hole
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2022-11-05 18:37:51	⚡ 	Justice time for reboot
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2022-11-05 18:38:05	NoobAlice	!grab rcf
2022-11-05 18:38:05	phrik	NoobAlice: Bazinga!
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2022-11-05 18:41:44	Justice	hm did not help
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2022-11-05 19:02:26	brian__	Hi! I am working on setting up arch linux on a laptop, and have run into trouble getting a graphical environment set up. I've used Arch for servers before, but have never messed with anything graphical. I installed xfce4, lightdm, and lightdm-slick-greeter, and was hoping that when I rebooted I would get a graphical login prompt. However, instead it hangs at the disk check "/dev/sda1: clean,
2022-11-05 19:02:26	brian__	###/#### files, #####/######## blocks"
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2022-11-05 19:03:14	brian__	Any help in understanding where I went wrong or what I'm missing would be awesome -- and frankly any help getting back to a regular terminal login would be a good start
2022-11-05 19:04:19	◣	thingfish (~mark@user/thingfish) ha salido (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2022-11-05 19:04:42	thurstylark	brian__: check the wiki pages on xorg and lightdm. xorg because you might not have all the necessary packages, and lightdm because installing the package and a greeter aren't the only steps that are necessary to get it all to work
2022-11-05 19:05:49	brian__	ok, I'll give it a better read. I had thought that was all that was required, but apparently I skimmed a little too much :)
2022-11-05 19:06:07	throstur	a lot of us fall into that pitfall
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2022-11-05 19:06:18	throstur	to answer your second question, starting from scratch seems to be the optimal choice for many
2022-11-05 19:06:36	brian__	as in a complete wipe and re-install?
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2022-11-05 19:06:41	thurstylark	assuming that your current tty is stuck trying to launch X or something, you can get to another tty with Ctrl+Alt+F2
2022-11-05 19:07:05	brian__	thurstylark: ah, shoot, I knew that at one point
2022-11-05 19:07:12	throstur	assuming you are following the guide, you just wiped your disks, so all you really gotta do to start from scratch is check your partition table and go from there
2022-11-05 19:07:13	brian__	yeah, looks like the tty was stuck
2022-11-05 19:07:46	thurstylark	brian__: so, does that mean you also enabled the lightdm service?
2022-11-05 19:08:34	brian__	When I first started this, I was just trying to prove that my broken linux mint install wasn't a BIOS problem. After I got arch working, I decided what the heck, may as well just use arch, so I didn't have a DE installed at the start.
2022-11-05 19:08:35	Justice	well 0ad works so nothing graphic library issue..
2022-11-05 19:08:45	Justice	square uno
2022-11-05 19:09:03	brian__	I did enable the lightdm service
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2022-11-05 19:10:14	thurstylark	brian__: ahh, definitely a detail worth including next time :)
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2022-11-05 19:11:17	thurstylark	idk if lightdm will choose a greeter automagically, so you might need to configure it
2022-11-05 19:11:18	brian__	lol, yep -- slipped my mind
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2022-11-05 19:13:40	thurstylark	if configuring the greeter doesn't change anything, the next step is to figure out whether it's xorg hanging up, or lightdm
2022-11-05 19:13:48	Justice	can you guys ping client-download.steampowered.com ?
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2022-11-05 19:15:16	rcf	Justice: no
2022-11-05 19:15:19	thurstylark	Justice: doesn't resolve here...
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2022-11-05 19:15:30	Justice	hm maybe old post then
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2022-11-05 19:17:29	cc0a3hr	there is kinda annoying thing with Brave and kdewallet. When I start Brave kdewallet also automatically starts without reason. Why this happens? https://files.catbox.moe/s4y0op.png
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2022-11-05 19:21:58	astralc	libsecret integration?
2022-11-05 19:22:01	thurstylark	I assume because brave is using it as a secrets store
2022-11-05 19:22:26	thurstylark	ope. yup. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE_Wallet#KDE_Wallet_for_Chrome_and_Chromium
2022-11-05 19:22:27	phrik	Title: KDE Wallet - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-11-05 19:23:54	keir	do this to unlock it on login: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE_Wallet#Unlock_KDE_Wallet_automatically_on_login
2022-11-05 19:23:55	phrik	Title: KDE Wallet - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-11-05 19:25:49	cc0a3hr	can't I just disable whole thing
2022-11-05 19:26:34	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE_Wallet#Disable_KWallet
2022-11-05 19:26:35	phrik	Title: KDE Wallet - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-11-06 13:13:11	bwanda	i think becouse of the its connected i guess but let check again
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2022-11-06 13:14:53	Warepire	I can't find out what interface the touchpad is meant to use, but I found out it's Synaptics based, which can be USB or I2C it seems.
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2022-11-06 13:15:33	cyphertite	bwanda:  I normally re-seat both ends of the TP cable (as in from the TP to the MB).  Have you tried that?
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2022-11-06 13:22:17	cyphertite	ofc, if you, or some youngin doused the TP with any liquid, all bets are off ;p
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2022-11-06 14:10:08	losth1ghway_	i'm trying to move my arch installation to a new laptop (same overall model but with a faster cpu). i directly moved the ssd over to the new machine, but on boot it's not finding the uuid of the drive (im guessing it changed with the hardware switch). is it enough to boot to a live evironment and reinstall the bootloader, or do i need to do more?
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2022-11-06 14:11:11	Scimmia	losth1ghway_: boot the fallback initramfs
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2022-11-06 14:13:04	artefact	uuid did not change
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2022-11-06 14:13:31	astralc	but other modules may
2022-11-06 14:14:03	Psi-Jack	losth1ghway_: Yeah, no. UUID's don't just randomly changhe in terms of partitions, filesystems, etc... 
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2022-11-06 14:14:56	Psi-Jack	And if it's EFI.... Then there's no need to "reinstall the boot loader" either, since EFI is consistently the same.
2022-11-06 14:15:20	ℹ 	losth1ghway_ es conocido ahora como losth1ghway
2022-11-06 14:15:25	astralc	just add the entry?
2022-11-06 14:15:48	Scimmia	Psi-Jack: nvram entries are not the same
2022-11-06 14:16:11	astralc	unless it is the fallback entry (BOOTX64.efi)
2022-11-06 14:16:38	Scimmia	sure
2022-11-06 14:16:53	Scimmia	but the issue is the UUID, so I don't know why this even came up
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2022-11-06 14:25:22	astralc	Psi-Jack: it doesn't scan for general .efi files
2022-11-06 14:25:24	Scimmia	Psi-Jack: What the hell? No, it doesn't
2022-11-06 14:25:30	Scimmia	I don't know of a single firmware that does that
2022-11-06 14:25:47	Psi-Jack	Scimmia: I see this all the time on any UEFI based system. 
2022-11-06 14:25:57	Scimmia	Psi-Jack: bullshit
2022-11-06 14:26:08	artefact	maybe if you use grub-install --removable
2022-11-06 14:26:12	Psi-Jack	No.
2022-11-06 14:26:28	artefact	i know my mobo firmware will only show drives in the boot list if they have a esp
2022-11-06 14:26:37	Scimmia	you may think that's what you're seeing, but it's not
2022-11-06 14:26:41	Psi-Jack	I can go into efibootmgr, delete all my entries, reboot, and see those deleted entries that are valid, come back.
2022-11-06 14:26:55	Foxboron	Scimmia: I would be carefull calling it bullshit. There is a lot of weird UEFI implementations
2022-11-06 14:27:17	Scimmia	Foxboron: there are, but "on any UEFI based system" I call bullshit
2022-11-06 14:27:40	Foxboron	Yes, it's not a UEFI thing. That would be a vendo specific "feature"
2022-11-06 14:27:47	Foxboron	vendor*
2022-11-06 14:30:59	Psi-Jack	I've seen this on my two systems at least with UEFI. Desktop and Laptop. Kinda assumed this was the defacto norm, but it's what I see with my own eyes.
2022-11-06 14:31:41	Scimmia	default loader locations are scanned, that's it
2022-11-06 14:32:03	Scimmia	some will do Windows
2022-11-06 14:32:09	Psi-Jack	Have an older laptop that has early stages of UEFI, kinda was a PITA to get working since it didn't like GRUBX64.efi, but did work with the BOOTX64.efi specifically.
2022-11-06 14:34:16	artefact	bootx64.efi is defined in the spec
2022-11-06 14:34:18	Scimmia	anyway, all of this is moot. losth1ghway, as I said, boot the fallback initramfs. The regular initramfs is specific to the system it was built on. From there, rebuild the initramfs'
2022-11-06 14:36:45	losth1ghway	thanks Scimmia, i'm having trouble booting to initramfs from refind... following the wiki it seems i need to edit the refind conf first.
2022-11-06 14:38:19	Scimmia	if you can edit it, you've already booted an install disk? Just regerate the initrafms' from there
2022-11-06 14:39:01	losth1ghway	ah cool.
2022-11-06 14:40:23	losth1ghway	i can do that with mkinitcpio?
2022-11-06 14:40:43	Scimmia	yes
2022-11-06 15:19:54	edt	my bluetooth le devices stopped working.  looks like the openssl 3 update is the problem.  I see message about a missing libcrypto.so.1.1
2022-11-06 15:20:32	speak	artefact: Ah good call, it looks like maybe it's not happening with an empty --user-data-dir, thanks! I think I might be able to suss it out from here on, cheers.
2022-11-06 15:20:41	Namarrgon	edt: is the system fully up-to-date?
2022-11-06 15:20:47	edt	yes
2022-11-06 15:21:10	Namarrgon	where do you see the missing lib error and what else is there?
2022-11-06 15:38:38	Scimmia	!give edt errors
2022-11-06 15:38:39	phrik	edt: Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2022-11-06 15:38:47	ishitatsuyuki	in this case, it would be provided by openssl-1.1 and prevented total wreak havoc :)
2022-11-06 15:38:48	Scimmia	"messages" is not valid
2022-11-06 15:39:01	thrice	sorry, was hoping it was easy
2022-11-06 15:41:13	astralc	since when the .so depends supported? I started to see it more and more recently
2022-11-06 15:41:25	alad	astralc: pacman 4.2 at least
2022-11-06 15:41:28	Scimmia	quite a few years
2022-11-06 15:41:36	alad	not sure why it's not more widespread practice, guess people are too lazy
2022-11-06 15:41:55	Scimmia	because the added complexity is not worth it IMO
2022-11-06 15:41:59	alad	on AUR I can see why since it stops all helpers from resolving dependency
2022-11-06 15:43:32	ishitatsuyuki	... that sounds bummer
2022-11-06 15:44:25	bwanda	still touchpad did not worked
2022-11-06 15:56:27	edt	!paste
2022-11-06 15:56:28	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-11-06 16:39:12	edt	[ 3419.418660] hid_xpadneo: module verification failed: signature and/or required key missing - tainting kernel
2022-11-06 16:40:09	edt	[ 3419.418739] hid_xpadneo: Unknown symbol input_ff_create_memless (err -2)
2022-11-06 16:41:18	edt	I expect it to taint the kernel, but module verification does not ring a bell.  Has systemd enabled something new (up to date install)?
2022-11-06 16:41:45	jelle	no, nothing systemd
2022-11-06 16:42:01	jelle	edt: your real issue is Unknown symbol input_ff_create_memless
2022-11-06 16:42:30	jelle	edt: well and verify https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Security#Restricting_module_loading
2022-11-06 16:42:32	phrik	Title: Security - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-06 16:42:35	edt	yes.  but is it caused by module verification failing 
2022-11-06 16:42:46	edt	checking the link thanks
2022-11-06 16:44:09	Aherin	for some odd reason systemd-networkd keeps getting started after a reboot, even though i have disabled it, and systemd-networkd.socket as well
2022-11-06 16:44:55	jelle	xpadneo is suck a hack :(
2022-11-06 16:45:00	Aherin	does anyone know why this happens?
2022-11-06 16:45:10	edt	the module is installed via aur and dkms and working on 6.0.2 before I went on vacation for two weeks,  Now it builds correctly but does not load.
2022-11-06 16:45:14	jelle	Aherin: what triggers it? systemd should tell
2022-11-06 16:45:54	Aherin	well, systemd --type=service only lists it as running
2022-11-06 16:46:22	jelle	what is that O_O
2022-11-06 16:46:51	Aherin	i eneded up here: https://www.naut.ca/blog/2018/12/12/disabling-systemd-networking/#commento-login-box-container
2022-11-06 16:46:53	phrik	Title: Taking Back Control from systemd Networking (at www.naut.ca)
2022-11-06 16:46:56	jelle	Aherin: systemd-analyze critical-chain systemd-networkd.service
2022-11-06 16:47:21	Aherin	ofcourse that link is for ubuntu, but heh
2022-11-06 16:47:26	jelle	not applicable but sure :p
2022-11-06 16:47:48	Aherin	screw it! seems firewalld is messing up
2022-11-06 16:48:00	jelle	Aherin: huh?
2022-11-06 16:48:46	Aherin	well, the command you gave :) lists firewalld right before systemd-networkd.service
2022-11-06 16:49:09	jelle	ok
2022-11-06 16:49:31	jelle	Aherin: what does systemctl status systemd-networkd give?
2022-11-06 16:50:10	Aherin	tireggered by systemd-networkd.socket
2022-11-06 16:50:19	Aherin	which i disbaled as well :|
2022-11-06 16:51:19	GermainZ	I used to use .pam_environment to set up my environment variables. I see that's no longer supported. Reading the wiki, using environment.d seemed like a good alternative at first but I think I misunderstood it -- I want something to apply after I log in. Is the only alternative something like my .zprofile?
2022-11-06 16:55:34	Aherin	this frustrates me to no end :( if i cant get it to work i have to restore a backup, which runs ubuntu :D which sucks.
2022-11-06 16:57:18	jelle	Aherin: what does systemctl status systemd-networkd.socket give
2022-11-06 16:57:39	jelle	Aherin: or do you still have a /etc/systemd/networkd?
2022-11-06 16:59:30	Aherin	nope no such file or directory :)
2022-11-06 16:59:57	jelle	Aherin: then what is the issue?
2022-11-06 17:00:12	jelle	I mean /etc/systemd/network
2022-11-06 17:00:19	Aherin	that systemd-networkd is still running :| somehow.. 
2022-11-06 17:00:27	Aherin	yeah, i have that one
2022-11-06 17:00:35	jelle	Aherin: with files in it?
2022-11-06 17:00:43	jelle	does systemd-networkd interfere?
2022-11-06 17:02:49	Aherin	yes, because i have an interface that doesnt seem to come up, its configured static, but it does nothing
2022-11-06 17:03:09	Aherin	i cant ping anything.. so i started to check (i use netctl) and that complained that the interface was already up
2022-11-06 17:03:19	Aherin	thats how i figured out networkd is messing with my head
2022-11-06 17:04:04	jelle	Aherin: so you have a file in /etc/systemd/network/ well that might be why it activates
2022-11-06 17:04:11	jelle	if this is for static ip, networkd is way easier
2022-11-06 17:04:18	Aherin	no, i removed that whole directory just now and rebooted
2022-11-06 17:04:26	jelle	and?
2022-11-06 17:04:34	Aherin	its still running..
2022-11-06 17:04:55	Aherin	but alas! i'll return to ubuntu for the time beeing untill i have a better grasp about this whole networkd thing :)
2022-11-06 17:05:02	Aherin	thank you for helping though :)
2022-11-06 17:05:06	jelle	Aherin: what is this for?
2022-11-06 17:05:10	jelle	desktop?
2022-11-06 17:05:16	Aherin	no, its a proxy server
2022-11-06 17:05:28	Aherin	so i figured, i could easily convert it to arch :)
2022-11-06 17:05:52	Aherin	its a VPS, and for this one they dont support arch install, so i had to use arch bootstrap
2022-11-06 17:06:29	jelle	Aherin: so just use systemd-networkd then :)
2022-11-06 17:06:34	jelle	netctl is not great
2022-11-06 17:06:51	Aherin	it was, untill networkd got involved ;-)
2022-11-06 17:06:59	Edu4rdSHL	Aherin, systemctl list-dependencies --reverse systemd-networkd systemd-networkd.socket
2022-11-06 17:07:03	jelle	nope, it's not great in general
2022-11-06 17:07:13	jelle	we should drop netctl tbh
2022-11-06 17:07:24	Aherin	we should?
2022-11-06 17:07:27	jelle	yes
2022-11-06 17:07:30	Aherin	thanks Edu4rdSHL
2022-11-06 17:07:55	edt	looks like the symbol input_ff_create_memless was dropped from the kernel sometime after 6.0.2
2022-11-06 17:08:06	Aherin	well, next sunday i have a new shot ;-)
2022-11-06 17:08:21	Edu4rdSHL	Aherin, what does that command output?
2022-11-06 17:08:33	Aherin	i cant run it, im restoring a backup ;-)
2022-11-06 17:12:26	Aherin	but alas! if netctl is bad, i'll just need to read up about networkd
2022-11-06 17:12:28	Aherin	:)
2022-11-06 17:13:33	uniqNuuid	Aherin: netctl deprecated 
2022-11-06 17:14:23	jelle	edt: that still exists in the kernel, so I doubt it
2022-11-06 17:14:45	Aherin	i have some servers on netctl already though.. i suppose i have to convert them
2022-11-06 17:14:54	cyphertite	Aherin:  are you aware that the installer *.iso has not included native 'netctl' (which provided 'wfi-menu') for many months?  iwctl is now 'the path' :)
2022-11-06 17:15:07	jelle	cyphertite: not really
2022-11-06 17:16:02	cyphertite	jelle:  willing to learn
2022-11-06 17:16:03	Aherin	yeah, but the good thing about arch is that you can make choices ;-)
2022-11-06 17:16:14	jelle	cyphertite: how did you draw the conclusion that iwd is now the preferred way
2022-11-06 17:16:18	Aherin	im not even sure why i ended up using netctl anyway, its been a while :)
2022-11-06 17:16:49	jelle	most logical is networkmanager > systemd-networkd > iwd :)
2022-11-06 17:17:12	uniqNuuid	iwd lightweight?
2022-11-06 17:17:23	Scimmia	for wifi on the ISO, it pretty much is the way
2022-11-06 17:17:23	Aherin	well, time for weekend, at least i'll have a few hours left :)
2022-11-06 17:17:35	jelle	Scimmia: wifi on your vps? :)
2022-11-06 17:17:52	Aherin	i pretty much do not use arch yet on desktops ;) and most server's / vps dont have wifi :)
2022-11-06 17:18:03	Scimmia	jelle: the statment was specifically about the ISO
2022-11-06 17:18:12	Scimmia	and wifi
2022-11-06 17:18:15	uniqNuuid	Aherin: for vps, networkd is the best.
2022-11-06 17:18:17	jelle	Scimmia: not really
2022-11-06 17:18:34	uniqNuuid	it is provided by default, it is simple
2022-11-06 17:18:46	quantum_	Is archlinux-bootstrap a basic netinstall image?
2022-11-06 17:19:30	Aherin	uniqNuuid i'll have a week to read up, and then we'll find out :)
2022-11-06 17:19:30	cyphertite	jelle:  ^from a new Arch install (using the then latest *.iso) when I could not access 'wifi-menu' from my WiFi-only laptop.  Not fun...
2022-11-06 17:19:46	Aherin	quantum_ i think so, yes
2022-11-06 17:20:12	quantum_	And what's the diff between archlinux-2022.11.01-x86_64.iso and archlinux-x86_64.iso?
2022-11-06 17:20:57	Edu4rdSHL	What's wifi-menu ?
2022-11-06 17:21:33	Aherin	now im off to diner :) thanks everyone!
2022-11-06 17:22:15	jh81	ow
2022-11-06 17:22:25	quantum_	uniqNuuid: I have had Hell with NetworkMangler and vfs.  Are you pooling vfs with networkd?
2022-11-06 17:22:40	jh81	how nice
2022-11-06 17:23:27	jh81	jelle your nick sounds rather dutch :)
2022-11-06 17:24:04	uniqNuuid	what is vfs
2022-11-06 17:24:32	quantum_	sr-iov virtual NICs.  Looked like you knew.
2022-11-06 17:24:52	quantum_	what is vps?
2022-11-06 17:25:11	jh81	Virtual Private Server?
2022-11-06 17:25:49	quantum_	You mean a VM?
2022-11-06 17:26:15	jh81	yes
2022-11-06 17:26:26	Psi-Jack	VPS is a marketting bling terminology for some form of "virtual server" whether it's a VM or container is not specific.
2022-11-06 17:26:29	quantum_	Is anyone running Sel4?
2022-11-06 17:26:30	jh81	but then hosted somewhere else :)
2022-11-06 17:27:42	quantum_	... install is turning into a tabgled mess.  About to turn to Xen.
2022-11-06 17:28:53	nl6720	b94600quantum_: on the mirror side archlinux-x86_64.iso is a symlink to the versioned iso (archlinux-2022.11.01-x86_64.iso in this case) 
2022-11-06 17:29:32	⚡ 	nl6720 doesn't know how he messed up the color like that
2022-11-06 17:30:09	quantum_	Ah
2022-11-06 17:30:48	quantum_	Does the cersioned iso boot to a desktop or cli?
2022-11-06 17:31:21	nl6720	arch doesn't have ISOs with GUI
2022-11-06 17:31:34	quantum_	k.
2022-11-06 17:31:40	nl6720	at least not yet
2022-11-06 17:31:57	quantum_	Is anyone running Xen?
2022-11-06 17:33:37	quantum_	It's looking like grown-up hypervisors like Sel4 are as-yet. inaccessible.
2022-11-06 17:35:30	uniqNuuid	xen is dead
2022-11-06 17:35:51	quantum_	ah sh*t.
2022-11-06 17:37:37	quantum_	Their latest release is August 18, 2022
2022-11-06 17:38:22	uniqNuuid	yeah but nobody uses them 
2022-11-06 17:38:24	Psi-Jack	Xen ain't dead. I just wouldn't recommend or use it.
2022-11-06 17:57:21	cyphertite	nl6720:  indeed
2022-11-06 17:58:01	thrice	as fun as arguing about a theoretical ISO release like a year ago that might have been missing a line of text is
2022-11-06 18:00:28	alad	the poor users
2022-11-06 18:03:03	nl6720	two years ago actually. iso: https://archlinux.org/releng/releases/2020.07.01/ wiki change: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?diff=623137 
2022-11-06 18:03:04	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Release: 2020.07.01 (at archlinux.org)
2022-11-06 18:03:14	thrice	:D
2022-11-06 18:03:45	nl6720	the wiki was out of date for 3 whole hours! 
2022-11-06 18:04:31	thrice	class-action lawsuit time
2022-11-06 18:05:55	keir	"Skipping all source file integrity checks."
2022-11-06 18:05:56	keir	why would makepkg do that? is something going wrong there?
2022-11-06 18:06:46	Scimmia	I assume you're building in a clean chroot? It does that because they were checked earlier
2022-11-06 18:07:25	keir	ah yes, i'm using paru's chroot function.
2022-11-06 18:07:28	keir	thanks :-)
2022-11-06 18:07:48	soren_	journalctl -k is kernel log? i don't see anything out of the ordinary but i also don't know what i'm looking for. coredumpctl says Sig 7, EXE /mnt/usr/bin/pacman. what now?
2022-11-06 18:10:08	damjan	check the memory with memtest
2022-11-06 18:10:12	soren_	MrElendig ^
2022-11-06 18:10:39	MrElendig	probably messed up fs, ran out of space while updating or similar
2022-11-06 18:10:58	MrElendig	pacman --root ... -Qkk 1>/dev/null
2022-11-06 18:11:07	gaku	low space is dangerous, even more so for btrfs
2022-11-06 18:11:18	gaku	tho there is a bugreport for other scenarios iirc
2022-11-06 18:17:30	MrElendig	relevant: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Btrfs-Flush-Emergency
2022-11-06 18:17:31	phrik	Title: Btrfs "Reserve Flush Emergency" Feature Heading To Linux 6.2 - Phoronix (at www.phoronix.com)
2022-11-06 18:22:34	soren_	sorry really noob: so all the packages in pacman -Qkk are broken packages i need to install? How do i install that list with broken pacman when chrooted?
2022-11-06 18:23:13	MrElendig	only those that have actual errors (and some of them will be false positives)
2022-11-06 18:23:29	MrElendig	but if you have a bunch of zero sized files or whatnot, yea... time to reinstall those packages
2022-11-06 18:23:53	MrElendig	use the 1>/dev/null redirect to make the output more readable
2022-11-06 18:24:39	soren_	lovely
2022-11-06 18:26:36	soren_	i did pacan --root /mnt -Qkk 2> /tmp/list so i guess i copy this list to another usb and cp all the newest packages to it then install them to broken chroot somehow right? or can i get the newest packages from the live iso
2022-11-06 18:28:33	MrElendig	you can pacstrap the packages
2022-11-06 18:29:19	MrElendig	alternatively pacman --root ... -Syu ...
2022-11-06 18:43:15	darkbasic	Hi, can someone explain me how am I supposed to contribute a patch to a PKGBUILD (not AUR)?
2022-11-06 18:44:16	MrElendig	depends on the context
2022-11-06 18:44:32	MrElendig	eg if its for a new feature, file a feature request on the bug tracker
2022-11-06 18:45:31	darkbasic	Attaching the patch to the bug? Is it not possible to simply open a PR with the patch?
2022-11-06 18:45:42	MrElendig	not yet
2022-11-06 18:45:51	darkbasic	Ok, thanks
2022-11-06 18:46:07	MrElendig	the 10+ year old saga of migrating off flyspray is still ongoing :)'
2022-11-06 18:46:38	darkbasic	I hope we're seeing some light at the end of the tunnel at least :)
2022-11-06 18:46:42	MrElendig	if/when the performance issues with gitlab and some other problems are solved it might happen
2022-11-06 18:46:56	MrElendig	expect a timeframe of a few years still
2022-11-06 18:47:02	darkbasic	Gosh
2022-11-06 18:47:31	Scimmia	Arch still isn't even on git, it's svn
2022-11-06 18:48:07	darkbasic	It's incredible how many contributions distros are losing because of this. In Gentoo it's the same, I usually end up maintaining my own packages in community overlays
2022-11-06 18:49:10	MrElendig	infrastructure is hard
2022-11-06 18:49:37	MrElendig	specially if you don't want to throw infinitely amount of hardware at the problem
2022-11-06 18:49:52	Foxboron	MrElendig: fwiw, the gitlab performance issues isn't related to the git migration
2022-11-06 18:50:45	Foxboron	darkbasic: gentoo is on github and you can easily submit patches if you want
2022-11-06 18:52:01	Foxboron	Lol, the gentoo git migration took nearly a decade as well
2022-11-06 18:52:16	Foxboron	Luckily they did pick the correct technology from day one :)
2022-11-06 18:52:42	darkbasic	Foxboron: yeah but it's still not easy maintaining patchsets for your arch if you're not an official developer because of the lack of manpower, that's why I maintain ppc64 patches in community overlays where I can get everything merged in a couple of hours
2022-11-06 18:53:08	Foxboron	Then become an official developer
2022-11-06 18:55:12	darkbasic	Foxboron: migrations shouldn't take decades even if you didn't pick the right technology to begin with :)
2022-11-06 18:55:27	Foxboron	darkbasic: Why shouldn't it?
2022-11-06 18:56:40	darkbasic	Because software is evolving much quicker and if you want to keep pace you can't expect to just bet on the right technology, you must be able to adapt quickly
2022-11-06 18:57:06	thrice	ppc64, lolwut
2022-11-06 18:57:19	thrice	while arguing about modernizing infra :>
2022-11-06 18:57:22	Foxboron	How is that relevant to the intricit complexities of maintaing a linux distro infrastrcture and support 100 developers working on it with adequate tooling and integration?
2022-11-06 18:57:54	Foxboron	Oh, and doing it unpaid. Of course
2022-11-06 18:58:34	darkbasic	Power 9 is a modern platform
2022-11-06 18:58:42	gaku	you can have a modern infra and still support a calculator
2022-11-06 18:59:06	MrElendig	darkbasic: only two generations old
2022-11-06 18:59:12	gaku	heck, if whatever infra can make maintainer lives easier then even better
2022-11-06 18:59:43	thrice	gentoo was also migrating from cvs
2022-11-06 18:59:53	Foxboron	thrice: we moved from cvs to svn
2022-11-06 18:59:55	MrElendig	or 1.5 to be more accurate
2022-11-06 19:05:21	Foxboron	thrice: also, gentoo moved from monorepo cvs to monorepo git. While Arch wants a repo pr package
2022-11-06 19:06:30	thrice	why not core.git, extra.git ?
2022-11-06 19:07:40	darkbasic	Foxboron: basically the whole industry has moved or is moving to monorepo, why would Arch want per-package repositories?
2022-11-06 19:07:41	Foxboron	thrice: Moving a package form core to extra becomes non-trivial
2022-11-06 19:08:00	Foxboron	darkbasic: ... how is industry tends even relevant for the needs and demands for a Linux distro?
2022-11-06 19:08:01	thrice	fedora is per package, iirc
2022-11-06 19:08:07	Foxboron	trends*
2022-11-06 19:08:47	Foxboron	thrice: also, you want to do pr package releases with signed tags. You can effectively decouple the sources from the repository structure which is nice
2022-11-06 19:08:50	gaku	arch has always been sorta independent, no need for follow whims
2022-11-06 19:09:17	Foxboron	and you get natural structure for whatever replaces flyspry; git repo with issues pr package
2022-11-06 19:10:44	darkbasic	trends are based on actual challenges of managing complex code bases. I'm not saying monorepo is better for the Arch use case, I'm asking what problems per-repo packages help to solve for your use case
2022-11-06 19:11:08	darkbasic	*per-package repos
2022-11-06 19:11:20	gaku	already mentioned tho
2022-11-06 19:11:33	darkbasic	Yes, I've read
2022-11-06 19:17:30	rydgel	3C3D
2022-11-06 19:17:58	MrElendig	you should probably read the docs rydgel 
2022-11-06 19:18:15	rydgel	yeah my bad)
2022-11-06 19:20:26	p00f	i resized my root partition while mounted like https://askubuntu.com/a/119458, then it wouldn't boot - so I deleted the partition and created another one. It wouldn't mount, so i ran e2fsck and said yes to everything. then it booted, i didnt try logging in, booted to fedora liveusb to resize + create a new partition using gparted.
2022-11-06 19:20:39	p00f	it worked, now when i boot to arch i cant log in to my systemd-homed user
2022-11-06 19:20:53	p00f	it says input/output error
2022-11-06 19:21:06	p00f	homectl activate myuser says the same thing
2022-11-06 19:21:27	p00f	fsck <root partition> says it is fine
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2022-11-07 11:23:36	glitsj16	But now we might have lost snappy in the conversation :)
2022-11-07 11:23:41	trbjo	_I_ do not depend on it, the ssl module does
2022-11-07 11:24:42	Foxboron	trbjo: why do you have those things, then.
2022-11-07 11:26:00	trbjo	because the elasticsearch module depends on the ssl module
2022-11-07 11:26:45	trbjo	Where are you going with this? we use python 3.8 that relies on openssl 1.1 for all their ssl handling.
2022-11-07 11:27:47	Foxboron	Are you building this yourself or using severly outdated Arch packages?
2022-11-07 11:28:23	trbjo	Built it myself using pyenv
2022-11-07 11:28:37	Foxboron	Do you rebuild this between system updates?
2022-11-07 11:29:01	jelle	Foxboron: I wonder if that might even work, Python 3.8 might not even support openssl 3
2022-11-07 11:29:03	trbjo	No. I did not know you could/had to do that
2022-11-07 11:29:18	Foxboron	jelle: thats trbjos future problem :p
2022-11-07 11:29:24	jelle	Foxboron: huh
2022-11-07 11:29:36	jelle	I don't see how an openssl 3 client can't communicate with openssl1.1 tbh
2022-11-07 11:29:54	Foxboron	I suspect there is a mismatch between their library and the curl library and openssl
2022-11-07 11:29:56	trbjo	It has something to do with this: SSL_OP_IGNORE_UNEXPECTED_EOF
2022-11-07 11:30:23	trbjo	that is correct, I needed to install openssl-1.1 in order to run the python server
2022-11-07 11:30:41	Foxboron	Because python has C modules you haven't rebuilt, and might not work on openssl3
2022-11-07 11:31:15	Foxboron	If this is sufficiently old you will see other subtle breakages
2022-11-07 11:35:13	mnd999_	Hi all, is it just me or did the openssl upgrade break a lot of KDE?
2022-11-07 11:35:35	snappy	is community repo the same as AUR?
2022-11-07 11:35:41	Foxboron	mnd999_: did you do a partial update?
2022-11-07 11:35:48	Foxboron	snappy: It's not. They are two seperate things
2022-11-07 11:36:37	mnd999_	Nope, not a partial update
2022-11-07 11:36:46	snappy	ah k, actually i just looked it up on the wiki, it only takes from trusted users
2022-11-07 11:36:59	mnd999_	But that sounds like it is just me
2022-11-07 11:41:39	Strykar	if I wanna downgrade the nvidia driver, can I install nvidia-dkms and use the latest stock kernel? or should I be using nvidia-dkms with linux-lts?
2022-11-07 11:41:53	Ennea	mnd999_, can you give examples of what broke?
2022-11-07 11:41:57	Ennea	i have not seen anything break
2022-11-07 11:42:27	mnd999_	Ahh, I see what it is, I have libimobiledevice-git from AUR which has not been rebuilt and still depends on the old version. And it seems like dolphin and kmail seem to be makeing use of that.
2022-11-07 11:42:50	Ennea	:)
2022-11-07 11:42:52	jelle	mnd999_: why are you using -git for it?
2022-11-07 11:43:24	mnd999_	I think the non -git version wasn't new enough to support backing up my iPhone last time I checked
2022-11-07 11:47:32	trbjo	Okay, this is weird, I uninstalled openssl-1.1, rebuilt python3.8 but I still the curl error: curl: (35) error:0A000126:SSL routines::unexpected eof while reading
2022-11-07 11:49:57	Foxboron	trbjo: Rebuilding python3.8 might not be enough. You need to figure out which libray produces the error, check what curl it's built towards and then go from there
2022-11-07 11:54:03	trbjo	Oh, but my python code has nothing to do with curl. I am calling my server running on localhost with curl, testing the api
2022-11-07 11:56:11	Foxboron	Okay, we got off on the wrong tangent
2022-11-07 11:56:18	⚡ 	Foxboron pours more coffee
2022-11-07 11:56:30	Foxboron	trbjo: is the curl side or the python3.8 running Arch?
2022-11-07 11:57:47	trbjo	I do not understand the question. I use arch linux upstream curl, python3.8 comes from pyenv
2022-11-07 11:58:28	Foxboron	You are talking about a server and a client. Are both things on the same device?
2022-11-07 11:58:52	trbjo	yes
2022-11-07 11:59:14	Foxboron	Lovely
2022-11-07 11:59:21	Foxboron	pacman -Q curl openssl 
2022-11-07 11:59:23	Foxboron	for good measure
2022-11-07 11:59:53	trbjo	curl 7.86.0-3, openssl 3.0.7-2
2022-11-07 12:00:57	Foxboron	what is running inside the pyenv?
2022-11-07 12:01:15	Foxboron	or rather venv, or the libraries the python server is running
2022-11-07 12:01:49	trbjo	Python 3.8.13, and https://paste.c-net.org/ProbingHideous
2022-11-07 12:02:14	trbjo	(But I think the requirements.txt is irrelevant here)
2022-11-07 12:02:54	Foxboron	Why do you think so?
2022-11-07 12:05:49	Foxboron	pyOpenSSL==20.0.1 and cryptography==3.4.7 both communicate over ffi to openssl so you need to validate those dependencies actually work with openssl 3.x
2022-11-07 12:06:21	Foxboron	There might be other ones as well, but I think those are the obvious ones
2022-11-07 12:07:05	trbjo	Okay, thank you very much. I will test that!
2022-11-07 12:41:17	snappy	This is a frustrating one. I'm trying to setup keybindings for display brightness on a framework laptop. When I run wev (or xev) and press the display buttons, they don't register, however most of the other function media keys register fine as Xf86Audio* and a few others, (the airplane mode/rfkill didn't register either). Not sure what the issue is.
2022-11-07 12:44:19	artefact	try evtest(1) instead
2022-11-07 12:44:38	artefact	if nothing shows up in there, you're SOL
2022-11-07 12:45:26	snappy	ah nevermind, there's something onthe arch wiki framework laptop page about this issue
2022-11-07 12:45:44	snappy	the ambient light sensor is conflicting with the keys
2022-11-07 13:02:13	VinnySauce	hi all, I'm having problems with git commit messages and VIM
2022-11-07 13:02:34	VinnySauce	i've set vim as my git editor, but it behaves strangely when I try to use it
2022-11-07 13:03:00	VinnySauce	when I enter input mode, I don't see "--input--" at the bottom as normal
2022-11-07 13:03:17	VinnySauce	and when i'm in input mode, I can't use the arrow keys to navigate
2022-11-07 13:03:28	VinnySauce	it just adds A B C or D into the text
2022-11-07 13:03:35	Namarrgon	how did you set it as your git editor?
2022-11-07 13:03:56	VinnySauce	git config --global user.editor /usr/bin/vim 
2022-11-07 13:04:25	artefact	sounds like you're in vi emulation
2022-11-07 13:04:41	grawity	more than that, sounds like it's literally ex-vi
2022-11-07 13:04:43	astralc	does it show in vim when you open it normally
2022-11-07 13:04:53	astralc	?
2022-11-07 13:04:59	grawity	many people use "/usr/bin/vi" because they expect vim-in-vi-emulation, which supports arrow keys
2022-11-07 13:05:04	grawity	arch's /usr/bin/vi is not that
2022-11-07 13:05:20	VinnySauce	vim works as normal otherwise for editing files
2022-11-07 13:05:38	VinnySauce	for some reason Git isn't using vim
2022-11-07 13:05:42	astralc	`which vim`
2022-11-07 13:05:55	VinnySauce	/usr/bin/vim
2022-11-07 13:05:58	astralc	what happen if you set vim in the EDITOR environment?
2022-11-07 13:05:59	Namarrgon	the user's git config doesn't override the editor?
2022-11-07 13:06:07	bwanda	pacstrap -K invaild option do i need this option to int
2022-11-07 13:06:10	bwanda	stall 
2022-11-07 13:06:21	grawity	bwanda: where did you *get* that option?
2022-11-07 13:06:24	dandels	bwanda: what guide are you using?
2022-11-07 13:06:26	astralc	it is core.editor
2022-11-07 13:06:30	astralc	not user.editor
2022-11-07 13:06:31	bwanda	pacstrap -K 
2022-11-07 13:06:32	VinnySauce	astralc: that works!
2022-11-07 13:06:36	bwanda	does noy wokr
2022-11-07 13:06:47	bwanda	sorry keyborad issue here
2022-11-07 13:06:54	dandels	don't use random guides, follow the wiki
2022-11-07 13:07:02	grawity	oh right, that's a real option
2022-11-07 13:07:02	bwanda	im on the wiki
2022-11-07 13:07:05	dandels	okay, had to check
2022-11-07 13:07:10	Namarrgon	how old is the iso you're using?
2022-11-07 13:07:19	bwanda	few months
2022-11-07 13:07:44	Namarrgon	pacman -Sy arch-install-scripts
2022-11-07 13:08:25	bwanda	ah thabks alot
2022-11-07 13:08:43	bwanda	:)
2022-11-07 14:59:26	brjl	Getting a lot of 403s and 404s trying to download stuff from Brazilian mirrors
2022-11-07 14:59:48	jelle	!give brjl mirrorstatus
2022-11-07 14:59:48	phrik	brjl: Check the status of the mirrors here: https://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/status/
2022-11-07 15:00:37	brjl	ufam.edu.br/archlinux/ http  Brazil 89.4%
2022-11-07 15:00:40	brjl	Yep
2022-11-07 15:00:42	brjl	Thanks
2022-11-07 15:12:13	tatsumaru	I notiched 'dir' doesn't highlight directories in a different colors unlike 'ls' would you say 'ls' is generally a better tool?
2022-11-07 15:12:36	jelle	tatsumaru: I know almost no one who uses dir
2022-11-07 15:33:45	brjl	h4rd3n3d: Yep. Started using Canada mirrors hah
2022-11-07 15:34:00	brjl	At least until the brazilian ones aren't fully synced
2022-11-07 15:44:17	brjl	I'll win the lottery and build a FOSS datacenter
2022-11-07 15:44:31	brjl	With my own gitlab server
2022-11-07 15:44:35	brjl	And blackjack... And hookers.
2022-11-07 15:47:51	brjl	I'm hungry and didn't get the joke :þ
2022-11-07 15:49:49	kulak	how do I find out which packages or apps I have use flatpack?  I need to figure out if it is apps I want to keep.
2022-11-07 15:50:13	kulak	I need to clear 2.5GB from /var partitition.
2022-11-07 15:50:25	kulak	I meant flatpack takes 2.5 GB.
2022-11-07 15:50:45	jelle	kulak: flatpak list or gnome-software :P
2022-11-07 15:50:54	Gagis	kulak, "flatpak list" shows you all installed
2022-11-07 15:51:14	kulak	`flatpack list` reports empty list.
2022-11-07 15:51:16	Gagis	or list --app
2022-11-07 15:51:23	jelle	kulak: did you install it as root?
2022-11-07 15:52:11	kulak	I don't recall installing flatpak.  It must've been a long time ago.
2022-11-07 15:53:04	kulak	if `flatpack list` returns empty, can I be certain I don't have flatpack installed?  I want to remove /var/lib/flatpack/repo directory.
2022-11-07 15:53:31	jelle	kulak: did you run it with sudo already?
2022-11-07 15:53:54	kulak	yes, `sudo flatpack list` returned empty list as well.
2022-11-07 15:54:03	jelle	oh wait /var/lib/flatpak/repo
2022-11-07 15:54:46	grawity	doesn't flatpak install some things to home as well?
2022-11-07 15:54:58	jelle	grawity: depends on user, it can do both
2022-11-07 15:57:31	Psi-Jack	Yeah, it can do both.
2022-11-07 15:59:20	CubeTheThird	was it explicitly installed? It's possible it could have been installed as a dependency for something, and then not removed when that was no longer the case
2022-11-07 16:00:12	kulak	So, I checked my installation.  Is it safe to remove `flatpak` from the system?  I am using Gnome and `flatpak` is required by malcontent.  According to description it is for parental controls, which I don't need.
2022-11-07 16:01:04	grawity	does anything require malcontent then?
2022-11-07 16:02:01	CubeTheThird	that dependency requirement was removed months ago
2022-11-07 16:02:27	kulak	interesting.  I am upgrading as I speak.
2022-11-07 16:10:56	kulak	I just finished `pacman -Syu` and rebooted.  attempt to remove flatpak failed https://termbin.com/ba9x
2022-11-07 16:11:13	jelle	kulak: you did not remove malcontent
2022-11-07 16:11:34	jelle	I  guess CubeTheThird confused you
2022-11-07 16:11:41	jelle	malcontent is no longer required by anything
2022-11-07 16:12:13	CubeTheThird	oh ya sorry. I should have been more specific :Z
2022-11-07 16:12:21	jelle	still seems weird it depends on flatpak
2022-11-07 16:12:28	jelle	maybe it needs flatpak to restrict flatpak? hmmm
2022-11-07 16:13:41	CubeTheThird	the malcontent dep was replaced with libmalcontent, which does not require flatpak
2022-11-07 16:14:03	kulak	thanks.  I ran `sudo pacman -Rs malcontent`
2022-11-07 16:16:17	astralc	'gnome' group :\
2022-11-07 16:17:54	kulak	well, I am back without a problem.  Life is good.
2022-11-07 16:22:08	Edu4rdSHL	A computer without flatpak is a sane computer, I agree
2022-11-07 16:25:06	astralc	and computer without snap?
2022-11-07 16:25:29	Edu4rdSHL	Joy
2022-11-07 16:25:44	Edu4rdSHL	That's a jewel!
2022-11-07 16:26:36	Gagis	I've had countless problems with applications that come on snap by default on ubuntu. is flatpak as bad as that?
2022-11-07 16:27:21	novns	no, it's bad in different ways
2022-11-07 16:27:36	jelle	flatpak is superior
2022-11-07 16:35:45	crendel	hey guys. I'm running ssh-agent as a systemd user service on login (my login shell is fish, which I imagine is part of the issue). even when I export SSH_AUTH_SOCK and SSH_AGENT_PID to match the running user service, I still get "Could not open a connection to your authentication agent" whenever I try to ssh-add keys. everything works if I just start a subprocess with `ssh-agent /usr/bin/fish`,
2022-11-07 16:35:45	crendel	but I 
2022-11-07 16:35:51	crendel	don't understand why my fish login shell can't access the socket created by the ssh-agent user service?
2022-11-07 16:36:17	damjan	that should work
2022-11-07 16:36:33	astralc	you only need SSH_AUTH_SOCK, btw
2022-11-07 16:36:42	astralc	what is the sock value?
2022-11-07 16:36:45	crendel	hmmmm that's what I thought
2022-11-07 16:36:46	damjan	I use a static name for the agent socket though (/run/user/1000/ssh-agent.socket)
2022-11-07 16:36:49	grawity	crendel: are you sure something in your fish startup doesn't override it?
2022-11-07 16:37:00	grawity	does the actual value of $SSH_AUTH_SOCK seem valid?
2022-11-07 16:37:16	crendel	yeah, I also statically set it in the service file to be /run/user/1000/ssh-agent.socket
2022-11-07 16:37:31	astralc	based on the wiki example?
2022-11-07 16:37:49	crendel	grawity: I was suspecting that could be going on, but even when I manually set the env vars in my shell I still get the socket issues
2022-11-07 16:37:51	astralc	and when you open the shell it is set correctly?
2022-11-07 16:38:14	astralc	(also check the .service file again for what you set, maybe there is difference)
2022-11-07 16:38:21	crendel	astralc: yeah, it matches in the shell without any interventoin
2022-11-07 16:40:12	astralc	is the service enabled and started?
2022-11-07 16:43:08	crendel	yeah, $SSH_AUTH_SOCK matches what is set in the user service, and ps shows the ssh-agent process is running with the static socket 
2022-11-07 16:43:34	crendel	i'm also at a loss for what the issue is
2022-11-07 16:43:59	crendel	ssh-add's verbose flag doesn't provide any additional info either
2022-11-07 16:45:47	Edu4rdSHL	Try changing the shell
2022-11-07 16:45:53	damjan	indeed
2022-11-07 16:45:58	damjan	fish is weird
2022-11-07 16:45:59	crendel	running it in zsh does work, yeah
2022-11-07 16:46:05	crendel	freaking fish
2022-11-07 16:46:26	Edu4rdSHL	I still stick on bash, because well, it just works :p
2022-11-07 16:46:30	crendel	yeah :(
2022-11-07 16:46:37	crendel	shows me for trying new flashy things hah
2022-11-07 16:47:05	crendel	it's strange that it does work in fish when I have ssh-agent run a fish shell as a subprocess
2022-11-07 16:47:52	crendel	maybe i'll just open an issue on the fish github
2022-11-07 16:48:28	damjan	fish has some very peculiar way of really exporting environment variables
2022-11-07 16:48:28	crendel	thanks guys
2022-11-07 16:48:34	grawity	does the envvar show up in `env` at least?
2022-11-07 16:48:51	grawity	does `strace -e connect ssh-add -l` show it connecting to the right thing?
2022-11-07 16:48:59	crendel	ohhh interesting
2022-11-07 16:49:04	crendel	no, it doesn't show up with `env`
2022-11-07 16:49:22	grawity	like, even in bash, $var isn't necessarily an envvar
2022-11-07 16:49:31	crendel	fish's handling of env vars seems particularly obtuse
2022-11-07 16:50:24	crendel	ah-ha
2022-11-07 16:50:44	crendel	grawity: that was the key, messing around with fish's set options fixed everything
2022-11-07 16:52:14	crendel	thanks!
2022-11-07 17:22:17	throstur	can I get *direct* control of my fan speeds without doing it in hardware? like erm, nvidia-settings does a fine job showing me numbers and giving me a GUI, but what it doesn't do is make the fans actually do what it says it would do at my request like slowing it down or speeding it up... it will pretend to oblige, but not for long
2022-11-07 17:23:27	throstur	I mean I guess I could just unplug the power cable to the fan but it would be nice to be able to just turn off the fan without opening the case when it's being noisy at 60 degrees
2022-11-07 17:24:32	jelle	throstur: 60 sounds like a temp your gpu cooler should be on
2022-11-07 17:25:04	throstur	jelle: yes, but it hardly works anyway and there are bigger, better fans inside the case that are not $5 pieces of wobbly plastic
2022-11-07 17:25:20	throstur	and those good fans don't sound like my father grinding his teeth in his sleep
2022-11-07 17:25:33	jelle	replace fan ??? profit
2022-11-07 17:25:56	throstur	yeah I would if I could
2022-11-07 17:25:59	throstur	can you ship me one?
2022-11-07 17:26:26	throstur	actually I'll just get a new graphics card when I get out of jail but until then it would be nice to quiet the damn thing
2022-11-07 17:27:13	artefact	ask nvidia nicely, maybe they'll bother registering a hwmon interface like every other f*cking driver
2022-11-07 17:27:21	jelle	artefact: lol
2022-11-07 17:28:01	throstur	I wonder if they would hire me to do that
2022-11-07 17:28:18	throstur	I have to do something and I don't feel like doing another degree
2022-11-07 17:28:50	⚡ 	throstur dies in a daydream
2022-11-07 17:42:37	throstur	stupid fans... running at 64W when they could be running at 250
2022-11-07 17:42:44	throstur	just run a little bit faster... please...
2022-11-07 17:43:03	mefistofeles	what? fans? 250W? 
2022-11-07 17:43:22	throstur	my broken graphics card fans
2022-11-07 17:43:47	throstur	I'm trying to set the speed with the slider in nvidia-settings but for some reason 1% is about 1000 rpm and 100% is about 1700 rpm
2022-11-07 17:43:49	mefistofeles	ok, so the graphics card is at 64/250W, not the fans... okay
2022-11-07 17:43:55	demonicmaniac	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blU_2wIMT4U
2022-11-07 17:44:05	demonicmaniac	here's a fan for you with all the watts
2022-11-07 17:44:13	throstur	LOL
2022-11-07 17:44:17	throstur	watching this, thanks
2022-11-07 17:44:18	⚡ 	mefistofeles doesn't want to click that
2022-11-07 17:44:38	demonicmaniac	thd2048ht
2022-11-07 17:44:40	MacGyver	throstur: Fans won't throttle down to an actual 1% of RPM.
2022-11-07 17:44:54	MacGyver	throstur: Sounds like the operating range of yours is 1000-1700.
2022-11-07 17:45:04	demonicmaniac	it's a fan that draws 600 watts
2022-11-07 17:45:05	throstur	MacGyver: but 1700 is abysmally low
2022-11-07 17:45:16	mefistofeles	throstur: what card is it?
2022-11-07 17:45:17	demonicmaniac	but it also moves air worth 600w
2022-11-07 17:45:19	MacGyver	throstur: Is it?
2022-11-07 17:45:24	throstur	nvidia gtx 970
2022-11-07 17:45:59	demonicmaniac	it's crazy how a 970 nowadays is hardly faster than the biggest IGP
2022-11-07 17:46:07	throstur	geforce gtx 970, if that is more accurate
2022-11-07 17:46:44	throstur	MacGyver: can I fiddle with it somehow other way? like can I toggle power to it or something?
2022-11-07 17:47:06	mefistofeles	throstur: you can also monitor using nvtop, if that helps
2022-11-07 17:47:08	throstur	or tell it that it is hotter than it really is to make it think it needs to spin faster?
2022-11-07 17:47:11	MacGyver	Cards exist that will only throttle up their fans in the first place after reaching a certain temp.
2022-11-07 17:47:23	MacGyver	But I have no clue how to adjust Nvidia fan curves under linux.
2022-11-07 17:47:33	MacGyver	Because I haven't used a fanned Nvidia card under linux for over a decade.
2022-11-07 17:47:40	MacGyver	(And thank heavens for that)
2022-11-07 17:47:56	throstur	what do you recommend
2022-11-07 17:48:37	mefistofeles	throstur: so what's the temperature and the fan speed?
2022-11-07 17:48:53	throstur	47 and around 1700
2022-11-07 17:48:56	throstur	between 1200 and 1700
2022-11-07 17:49:07	throstur	fan is kinda bad at spinning, its old and lil wobbly
2022-11-07 17:49:19	MacGyver	throstur: At your own risk, take a look at what https://github.com/vandabbin/nvidia-fan-control-linux does.
2022-11-07 17:49:24	mefistofeles	ok temperature is not bad, why would you like it to spin faster?
2022-11-07 17:49:37	mefistofeles	throstur: ↑
2022-11-07 17:49:42	throstur	because it's spinning so slow that the fans wobble so much that it makes a grinding noise
2022-11-07 17:49:51	throstur	I want to either stop them or make them spin fast enough to stop making noise
2022-11-07 17:50:03	throstur	and preferably without trying to decode a bunch of HD porno for no reason
2022-11-07 17:51:13	mefistofeles	throstur: to be fair, spinning them faster will only make them fail even more quickly, I suggest you fix the real problem from the root
2022-11-07 17:51:17	Edu4rdSHL	Buy headphones with noise cancelling and forget about noise
2022-11-07 17:51:20	mefistofeles	which is either changing the fan or the gpu
2022-11-07 17:51:34	throstur	mefistofeles: I realize that, and I'll do that when I get out of jail as previously said
2022-11-07 17:51:40	mefistofeles	wtf?
2022-11-07 17:51:43	mefistofeles	!bail
2022-11-07 17:51:43	phrik	Looks like mefistofeles is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-11-07 17:51:58	throstur	prejudice is everywhere, and it is contageous
2022-11-07 17:51:59	MacGyver	mefistofeles: That's rather insensitive to say when someone's in jail.
2022-11-07 17:52:14	mefistofeles	I was proposing to pay their bail
2022-11-07 17:52:21	mefistofeles	"{
2022-11-07 17:52:22	mefistofeles	:P
2022-11-07 17:52:57	throstur	that is not a thing here
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2022-11-07 18:30:47	teraflops	people can irc while in jail? what's that, a hotel?
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2022-11-07 18:31:34	Edu4rdSHL	And even worry about GPU fans making much noise xD
2022-11-07 18:31:42	Edu4rdSHL	5 stars hotel
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2022-11-08 18:40:26	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-11-08 18:40:26	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1430 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1429 normals)
2022-11-08 14:01:07	grawity	if you can't get the install-iso Arch to run, you can instead extract an "already installed" Arch from that tarball
2022-11-08 14:01:31	grawity	in general, bootstrapping is if you want to install XYZ without already having XYZ
2022-11-08 14:01:41	grawity	like compiling gcc without already having gcc
2022-11-08 14:02:02	coalballs	hello
2022-11-08 14:02:07	coalballs	thank you
2022-11-08 14:02:12	chiselfuse	interesting, sounds like a hack but p cool
2022-11-08 14:02:27	grawity	I don't remember +v being needed to bypass +r back in the old network but meh
2022-11-08 14:02:39	chiselfuse	what's +r?
2022-11-08 14:02:41	grawity	chiselfuse: kiiiind of, but sometimes it's the normal install process
2022-11-08 14:02:56	grawity	like, when you install Windows, it basically just unpacks all the files to C:\
2022-11-08 14:03:07	grawity	I think that's also how you start with Gentoo as well?
2022-11-08 14:03:11	coalballs	ok so i was here earlier and i have a new problem - rEFInd can't find my linux system anymore. i just booted up a linux mint live image I made in like 2018... and it looks like /efi is empty
2022-11-08 14:03:55	grawity	chroot into Arch and install the 'linux' package again, I guess the pre-install hooks removed the kernel, but the post-install ones never had the chance to run
2022-11-08 14:04:50	grawity	does mint have arch-chroot
2022-11-08 14:04:56	coalballs	doubt
2022-11-08 14:05:06	coalballs	stock chroot is working but pacman wont run....
2022-11-08 14:05:06	grawity	mount arch's / somewhere at /mnt, mount /mnt/boot, mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev, repeat for proc and sys, then chroot /mnt
2022-11-08 14:05:12	coalballs	ah ok
2022-11-08 14:05:32	grawity	not sure if you *need* /dev or /proc or /sys in the chroot, but good idea to have
2022-11-08 14:05:46	grawity	arch-chroot is basically just that + stock chroot
2022-11-08 14:06:19	coalballs	error: failed retrieving file linux-....pkg.tar.zst from mirrors.sonic.net: could not resolve host: mirrors.sonic.net
2022-11-08 14:07:04	Scimmia	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Chroot#Using_chroot
2022-11-08 14:07:06	phrik	Title: chroot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-08 14:07:08	grawity	can you ping IP addresses?
2022-11-08 14:07:10	grawity	like 8.8.8.8
2022-11-08 14:07:18	Scimmia	need resolv.conf
2022-11-08 14:07:20	grawity	if yes, temporarily fix /etc/resolv.conf, it probably points to /run
2022-11-08 14:07:29	coalballs	works fine in the chroot
2022-11-08 14:07:37	coalballs	ok. i'll see
2022-11-08 14:07:40	grawity	actually you can probably bind /run into the chroot as well
2022-11-08 14:07:52	coalballs	oh ok i'll just do that then
2022-11-08 14:08:27	coalballs	no dice
2022-11-08 14:08:32	coalballs	but my mirrorlist is from 2021 :x
2022-11-08 14:08:38	coalballs	i'll move the pacnew one while i'm here
2022-11-08 14:08:40	jelle	that's fine
2022-11-08 14:09:44	coalballs	yeah still no dice
2022-11-08 14:09:52	coalballs	gonna check /resolv.conf
2022-11-08 14:10:11	coalballs	ok so cat /etc/resolv.conf literally just says "# Generated by NetworkManager"
2022-11-08 14:10:27	grawity	put 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' in it
2022-11-08 14:10:38	smp	Hej! Does anyone else notice some problems with Nautilus in latest Gnome? Since the last update on Arch it behaves pretty weird for me. I random crashes, some behaviours for ordering changed very badly, also the rendering seems to be broken for sub menus. 
2022-11-08 14:10:46	coalballs	thank you it works now
2022-11-08 14:11:41	coalballs	ok it worked
2022-11-08 14:12:02	coalballs	time to reboot
2022-11-08 14:12:43	coalballs	huh...
2022-11-08 14:12:50	coalballs	my linux-lts isn't showing up on rEFInd now
2022-11-08 14:12:53	coalballs	but linux does
2022-11-08 14:12:56	coalballs	i'll call that a win
2022-11-08 14:13:55	coalballs	ok, i'll just reinstall linux-lts
2022-11-08 14:14:49	coalballs	ok that worked
2022-11-08 14:14:53	coalballs	now wer'e cooking
2022-11-08 14:14:55	coalballs	ugh
2022-11-08 14:14:59	coalballs	i love y'all
2022-11-08 14:18:00	alad	smp: gnome updates are always weird
2022-11-08 14:18:16	alad	the only options you have is wait it out until the kinks are ironed out, or not use gnome
2022-11-08 14:18:25	coalballs	ok i'm going to sleep now
2022-11-08 14:18:46	alad	or use the archlinux archve to rollback the system
2022-11-08 14:19:03	enyc	alad: howso weird?
2022-11-08 14:19:14	alad	for example, like what smp mentioned
2022-11-08 14:20:10	chiselfuse	grawity: if i am going for a regular install, following the guide here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/installation_guide    i choose the one *without* bootstrap in its name right?
2022-11-08 14:20:12	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-08 14:20:44	chiselfuse	grawity: ie like this one http://mirror.rackspace.com/archlinux/iso/2022.11.01/archlinux-x86_64.iso
2022-11-08 14:20:53	xecuter	hiho, i want to update arch, but on one package: configure: error: Required library libtrace 3.0.7 or later not found; use LDFLAGS to specify library location <<--- installed is libtrace 4.0.17-1
2022-11-08 14:21:16	alad	that's not updating arch, that's updating some aur package
2022-11-08 14:21:48	alad	h4rd3n3d: nobody cares
2022-11-08 14:21:49	jelle	h4rd3n3d: yes, not all people are bad
2022-11-08 14:22:01	xecuter	ohh okay.... libprotoident is AUR too :-/
2022-11-08 14:22:30	smp	alad, i guess i will try a rollback in the meantime. its not always that easy as so many depedencies have to be considered. i am not sure what a good alternative is for gnome, which is a bit more stable
2022-11-08 14:22:58	alad	smp: yes with the archive you can pin the whole system to a date before the gnome43 release, then -Syuu
2022-11-08 14:23:13	alad	then you don't need to figure out what specific packages to downgrade, it will downgrade everything
2022-11-08 14:23:43	grawity	chiselfuse: for a USB or CD, yeah, you always use the .iso
2022-11-08 14:25:01	chiselfuse	grawity: imo a bit misleading, the installation_guide page links to the downloads page with provides default link to a bootstrappable version instead of a "regular" iso
2022-11-08 14:25:54	bwanda	how to lid to sleep?
2022-11-08 14:26:24	grawity	lid to sleep by default
2022-11-08 14:26:34	bwanda	is not hapening?
2022-11-08 14:26:35	grawity	unless some program overrides it ... or unless your lid sensor is broken
2022-11-08 14:26:39	bwanda	what hsould i do?
2022-11-08 14:26:46	grawity	does manual sleep (systemctl suspend) work?
2022-11-08 14:26:55	bwanda	yes
2022-11-08 14:26:56	grawity	do you have external displays attached?
2022-11-08 14:26:59	bwanda	no
2022-11-08 14:27:28	grawity	if you run `journalctl -b -u systemd-logind`, does it say "Lid closed" when the lid gets closed?
2022-11-08 14:28:23	bwanda	grawity: http://pastie.org/p/2ZlSCVKPTSPuz70Vz9107f/raw
2022-11-08 14:28:39	grawity	that's before or after?
2022-11-08 14:29:30	bwanda	http://pastie.org/p/7FZfljKla6nQJxS6UUqtSd/raw
2022-11-08 14:29:37	smp	alad, ah, good to know! i will try that out :) thank you very much!
2022-11-08 14:29:41	grawity	install evemu, then run `sudo evemu-record /dev/input/event1` and close/open the lid a few times
2022-11-08 14:29:52	grawity	does it report any events?
2022-11-08 14:31:42	bwanda	grawity: http://pastie.org/p/6iLvYyVvlA7VvusmYcLTLk/raw
2022-11-08 14:32:18	grawity	none at all?
2022-11-08 14:32:22	grawity	sensor's probably broken then
2022-11-08 14:33:00	bwanda	where the sensors  are?
2022-11-08 14:33:17	alad	smp: yw
2022-11-08 14:33:19	grawity	varies
2022-11-08 14:33:31	grawity	on my last laptop, it was a magnetic reed switch near the power button
2022-11-08 14:33:56	bwanda	my power buttton damged ,, i using srew driver it turn on the laptop
2022-11-08 14:34:05	demonicmaniac	there's funny stories about that with people with metal plates in their wrists from surgery suddenly shutting off their lapto;ps
2022-11-08 14:34:37	grawity	yeah my phone's loudspeaker would trigger it if I placed it there
2022-11-08 14:34:44	demonicmaniac	heh
2022-11-08 14:35:35	bwanda	can i sleep lid manully from terminal?
2022-11-08 14:35:44	MacGyver	Took me a while to figure out my brother's watch had a magnetic clasp.
2022-11-08 14:36:00	grawity	what do you mean by "sleep lid manually"
2022-11-08 14:36:12	bwanda	manually sleeping the laptop
2022-11-08 14:36:31	grawity	sure, systemctl suspend
2022-11-08 14:36:36	grawity	I thought you already tried it before
2022-11-08 14:36:53	bwanda	but i have to use the power button turn i have no powerbutton
2022-11-08 14:38:27	bwanda	i want to when i lick keyborad, i turn on 
2022-11-08 14:39:05	grawity	that should *also* happen by default -- but not all laptops actually support it
2022-11-08 14:39:32	grawity	there might be something in /proc/acpi/wakeup to enable it on your system
2022-11-08 14:41:03	MacGyver	Not necessarily every button; might be limited to the fn-key.
2022-11-08 15:00:08	bwanda	for suspend i need power button?
2022-11-08 15:09:27	bwanda	how turn from sleep now
2022-11-08 15:09:30	bwanda	????
2022-11-08 15:10:30	Edu4rdSHL	bwanda, systemd-analyze cat-config systemd/logind.conf
2022-11-08 15:11:23	alad	bwanda: stop giving your computer energy drinks
2022-11-08 15:14:41	bwanda	Edu4rdSHL: ??
2022-11-08 15:14:50	Edu4rdSHL	Run that command
2022-11-08 15:14:55	Edu4rdSHL	And post the output
2022-11-08 15:16:06	bwanda	https://termbin.com/tdd6
2022-11-08 15:16:09	bwanda	Edu4rdSHL: ^
2022-11-08 15:16:27	grawity	I don't think it's going to help with anything if logind doesn't receive events in the first place...
2022-11-08 15:17:33	Edu4rdSHL	bwanda, you need to modify that file and change #HandleLidSwitch=ignore to HandleLidSwitch=suspend
2022-11-08 15:17:45	Edu4rdSHL	That .conf seems a bit odd...
2022-11-08 15:18:02	grawity	HandleLidSwitch= defaults to "suspend"
2022-11-08 15:18:23	Edu4rdSHL	Yes, but that file says otherwise.
2022-11-08 15:18:31	cyphertite	bwanda:  if your 'screwdriver' switch depression initially allowed you to power on your laptop, perhaps a very quick 'screwdriver' touch will also wake it up from 'sleep'.  And BTW:  If successful, increase your sleep setting delay
2022-11-08 15:18:42	Edu4rdSHL	And I suspect that it's some old version if systemd or whatever
2022-11-08 15:18:47	Edu4rdSHL	bwanda, is that Arch?
2022-11-08 15:19:01	bwanda	yes arch
2022-11-08 15:19:42	demonicmaniac	i love my old thinkpads with their actual clamshell arresting hook for the lid close, no silly magnets
2022-11-08 15:19:45	jkc	grawity: by docs, yeah, but systemd can be compiled with different defaults.
2022-11-08 15:20:02	Edu4rdSHL	bwanda, change what I said, reboot and see what happens
2022-11-08 15:20:08	bwanda	okay]
2022-11-08 15:20:19	Ennea	demonicmaniac, magnets? i don't think mine even has any magnets
2022-11-08 15:21:47	cyphertite	Ennea:  if yours is easier to close than open, I'd bet it does have magnets
2022-11-08 15:21:58	Ennea	nah, both is easy
2022-11-08 15:22:00	jkc	bwanda: What version of systemd do you have installed?
2022-11-08 15:22:27	alad	demonicmaniac: and in the case of a zombie apocalypse you can use them as a backup weapon
2022-11-08 15:47:02	Edu4rdSHL	bwanda, yeah, expected I would say. Which laptop is that?
2022-11-08 16:19:47	randomxusr	what package provides libcrypt.so?
2022-11-08 16:20:44	thrice	!xyproblem
2022-11-08 16:20:45	phrik	Tell us what you're REALLY trying to do. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
2022-11-08 16:21:05	thrice	the answer probably is, though: rebuild AUR crap
2022-11-08 16:21:17	Scimmia	or don't do partial updates
2022-11-08 16:21:25	Scimmia	both have been common the last couple of days
2022-11-08 16:22:00	randomxusr	I'm guilty of it by mistake a few days ago, but because the process stopped
2022-11-08 16:23:11	randomxusr	I don't think I did a partial upgrade on the machine I'm attempting to fix. I get a kernel panic when attempting to boot, and libcrypt.so is mentioned. Wondering if there's a way to resolve.
2022-11-08 16:23:30	randomxusr	the issue started after installed metasploit and openssl
2022-11-08 16:23:54	Scimmia	and after running -Sy to do it?
2022-11-08 16:24:10	randomxusr	I hadn't run -Sy
2022-11-08 16:24:19	Scimmia	then why did you have to install openssl?
2022-11-08 16:24:23	Scimmia	did you cancel an update?
2022-11-08 16:24:54	randomxusr	not that I'm aware of
2022-11-08 16:25:11	Scimmia	so what's the actual error?
2022-11-08 16:26:57	randomxusr	error loading share libraries: libcrypt.so.1.1 : cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory
2022-11-08 16:27:51	Scimmia	so you have something looking for the old version that doesn't exist. That's either becasue you didn't update that, or because it's from the AUR and you didn't rebuild it
2022-11-08 16:28:08	randomxusr	got it
2022-11-08 16:30:55	randomxusr	Am I on my own to fix this? any suggestions for what I might be able to save the install?
2022-11-08 16:31:29	kevku	how are there so many people using arch linux that fail with the openssl update
2022-11-08 16:32:09	Scimmia	randomxusr: I just gave you the answer. Either update your system or rebuild your AUR shit, depending on just what's failing
2022-11-08 16:32:49	randomxusr	Scimmia, 10/4 I'll figure it out
2022-11-08 17:14:55	Psi-Jack	Heh, I updated without a single issue.
2022-11-08 17:15:41	Psi-Jack	And, openssl 1.1 even got migrated to a compatability package, openssl-1.1, while openssl-1.0 moved to aur.
2022-11-08 17:16:39	Scimmia	the questions we're getting constantly support kevku's 'allegation'
2022-11-08 17:17:07	Scimmia	a bunch of people *did* screw it up
2022-11-08 17:17:12	Psi-Jack	Well, no, his "allegation" is just being a troll.
2022-11-08 17:18:26	Scimmia	claiming that a bunch of people screwed up the update is true, not trolling
2022-11-08 17:20:44	Psi-Jack	No, the inference of arch linux usage based on that, is.
2022-11-08 17:25:11	chiselfuse	if i just installed microcode with   `pacman -S intel-ucode`   all i need to do is reconfigure grub with   `grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg`   anything else?
2022-11-08 17:26:44	Scimmia	as long as the actual grub install is up to date, yes, that's it.
2022-11-08 17:26:57	Scimmia	https://archlinux.org/news/grub-bootloader-upgrade-and-configuration-incompatibilities/
2022-11-08 17:26:58	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Grub bootloader upgrade and configuration incompatibilities (at archlinux.org)
2022-11-08 17:29:33	chiselfuse	yea it's there
2022-11-08 17:29:56	chiselfuse	how do i check what graphics card my computer has?
2022-11-08 17:30:22	Scimmia	lspci
2022-11-08 17:30:41	coruja	shouldn't there be an entry for intel-ucode.img in grub.cfg's initrd line?
2022-11-08 17:31:04	chiselfuse	coruja: it generated one for me after i reconfigured yea
2022-11-08 17:32:05	coruja	ok, i somehow remember having to enter it by hand, but maybe my memory is wrong, just wanted to make sure
2022-11-08 17:36:59	alad	there's historically been lots of complaints on an openssl upgrade
2022-11-08 17:37:24	Psi-Jack	From 1.0 to 1.1? From 1.1 to 3.0?
2022-11-08 17:37:25	alad	some things never change, regardless of who sticks their head in the sand
2022-11-08 17:37:39	alad	whenever there's an .so bump
2022-11-08 17:37:39	Psi-Jack	Possibly even 0.x to 1.0? 😉
2022-11-08 17:38:21	Psi-Jack	Hmmm... Well... There's a .so bump every single version. But, some things are designed to link to the major.minor.so.
2022-11-08 17:38:25	Psi-Jack	And some even to the major.so
2022-11-08 17:38:54	jelle	Psi-Jack: I think alad knows that
2022-11-08 17:39:14	Psi-Jack	Some AUR packages may've linked to the major.minor.build.so, but those need correction when they do these things. 🙂
2022-11-08 17:40:23	Scimmia	Psi-Jack: see soname
2022-11-08 17:40:55	Psi-Jack	Scimmia: See what now?
2022-11-08 17:41:22	Scimmia	google it
2022-11-08 17:43:19	Psi-Jack	Yeah, I alreayd know about that...
2022-11-08 17:43:54	Scimmia	then you would know that everything you were waying about this major.min.so stuff is BS
2022-11-08 17:43:59	Scimmia	s/waying/saying
2022-11-08 17:44:44	Psi-Jack	Actually, no, because I was in this exact scenario back when I was managing the ceph packages in AUR ages ago, with libboost versions constantly changing, and ceph libs being linked directly to specific libboost versions.
2022-11-08 17:45:01	Psi-Jack	So, no, not BS.
2022-11-08 17:45:11	CubeTheThird	So after upgrading to Gnome 43, my alert sound? (backspace, tab complete) has defaulted to the water drop sounds, but I can't find where this is configured. Anyone know how to change this?
2022-11-08 17:45:22	Psi-Jack	CubeTheThird: Sec.
2022-11-08 17:45:43	Psi-Jack	CubeTheThird: Settings->Sound, Scroll down to the bottom.
2022-11-08 17:45:49	Scimmia	Psi-Jack: because the soname changes, not because the library file name changes
2022-11-08 17:50:34	Psi-Jack	Hmm, one oddness factor of GNOME 43 and restoring the laptop screen on lid open is that the brightness level is all the way down, every time.
2022-11-08 17:51:33	CubeTheThird	Psi-Jack, thanks, but that's not it. It's set to "click" and water drop isn't in the list
2022-11-08 17:52:02	Psi-Jack	Then I have no clue what "water drop" sound you're referring to. That's the only event sound GNOME has.
2022-11-08 17:52:24	Psi-Jack	Besides possibly theme sounds, that would be in Tweaks
2022-11-08 17:58:04	Psi-Jack	Tweaks->Apperance, Sounds theme dropdown.
2022-11-08 17:58:16	Psi-Jack	Is that set to anything for you, CubeTheThird ?
2022-11-08 17:59:27	gloomy_laptop	Hey, I;'m a bit confused with systemd units/slices
2022-11-08 18:00:30	CubeTheThird	Psi-Jack, seems unrelated. I set it to default (it was listed as Custom), and that made no difference
2022-11-08 18:00:49	gloomy_laptop	if I do `# systemctl cat user-1001.slice` I get this: https://gist.github.com/ldorigo/78c20b2adc704d5942ac6b7f71e400a6
2022-11-08 18:01:20	Psi-Jack	CubeTheThird: It very much is related. That's literally what's defining those sounds.
2022-11-08 18:01:24	gloomy_laptop	That is telling me that it's an instance (? not sure of the name) for an automatically created slice based on the template in /usr/lib/systemd/system/user-.slice.d/10-defaults.conf, correct? 
2022-11-08 18:01:44	CubeTheThird	Psi-Jack, no I mean not related to the sound I'm getting
2022-11-08 18:01:59	gloomy_laptop	But if I do `# systemctl edit --full user-1001.slice` I get an empty file 
2022-11-08 18:02:10	Psi-Jack	I have two such sound themes there myself. Default, which makes the water drip sound, and MacOS which makes, well.. More macOSy sounds. Toggling mine between the two caused the water drip sound to replace my sound set in Settings->Sound
2022-11-08 18:02:35	gloomy_laptop	Is it normal? Can I just add specific lines in that new file that will be added to the configuration for that user's unit?
2022-11-08 18:02:38	Psi-Jack	Changing it in Settings->Sound, reverted the water drip sound back to the one I wanted. 🙂
2022-11-08 18:04:05	rcf	gloomy_laptop: that is normal, you want --force for an override though, not --full 
2022-11-08 18:04:17	Psi-Jack	CubeTheThird: What effect are you wanting? To turn sounds off, or to have something specific?
2022-11-08 18:05:18	gloomy_laptop	rcf: but do I need to reprise everything that's in the gist I pasted? Or just add the specific lines under [Unit] or [Slice]?  
2022-11-08 18:07:27	CubeTheThird	Psi-Jack, set it to something less annoying. So far all changes I have tried have made no difference
2022-11-08 18:08:14	Psi-Jack	CubeTheThird: And.... What have you tried that I have not described?
2022-11-08 18:08:14	rcf	gloomy_laptop: with --force to create a drop-in for the unit, you just add what you want to append or change. 
2022-11-08 18:09:19	CubeTheThird	Psi-Jack, I've tried all your suggestions, save installing a custom sound theme
2022-11-08 18:09:24	rcf	gloomy_laptop: with --force --full, you would need to recreate the existing unit. 
2022-11-08 18:10:36	Psi-Jack	CubeTheThird: You switched sound sets and it made 0 bit of difference? (When I did that, the Tweaks->Apperance switched to Custom and worked)
2022-11-08 18:11:36	CubeTheThird	Psi-Jack, correct. 0 difference
2022-11-08 18:12:24	Psi-Jack	Well, then no clue, cause that works for me and the path of it is visble. Though I am failing to find where the "String" sound is being set in dconf or anywhere....
2022-11-08 18:13:47	Psi-Jack	What do you have in dconf Editor, under /org/gnome/desktop/soun for event-sounds and theme_name?
2022-11-08 18:23:17	Psi-Jack	Eh well, I'm going to assume the lack of communication means you're done. 🙂
2022-11-08 18:26:51	CubeTheThird	Psi-Jack, event-sounds is on, theme-name is __custom
2022-11-08 18:26:52	jb1277976	I installed the wrong virtualbox, when i try to uninstall i get depensnacie issues https://dpaste.org/g10UM how can i fix this?
2022-11-08 18:26:54	phrik	Title: dpaste/g10UM (Python) (at dpaste.org)
2022-11-08 18:26:54	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oEkb.jcEgcUte
2022-11-08 18:27:27	Psi-Jack	CubeTheThird: Okay then, what's in ~/.local/share/sounds/__custom?
2022-11-08 18:27:58	CubeTheThird	Psi-Jack, bell-terminal.ogg  bell-window-system.ogg  index.theme
2022-11-08 18:28:05	jb1277976	just wondering if it safe to remove
2022-11-08 18:28:10	Psi-Jack	And I presume index.theme there refers to those two files? 😉
2022-11-08 18:28:15	Scimmia	jb1277976: first, why is that the wrong virtualbox? Second, I don't see any dependency issues
2022-11-08 18:29:02	jb1277976	Scimmia: its the wrong virtualbox i nstalled the dkms  ithink i need the arch one
2022-11-08 18:29:14	jb1277976	when i try to run a vm it dosen't start it just says powering on
2022-11-08 18:29:14	CubeTheThird	Psi-Jack, just this: [Sound Theme]
2022-11-08 18:29:15	CubeTheThird	Name=Custom
2022-11-08 18:29:15	CubeTheThird	Inherits=freedesktop
2022-11-08 18:29:15	CubeTheThird	Directories=.
2022-11-08 18:29:18	Scimmia	jb1277976: you're talking the modules? Just install what you need, then
2022-11-08 18:29:24	Scimmia	no reason to remove anything
2022-11-08 18:29:30	Psi-Jack	CubeTheThird: Huh... That's... Oddly wrong. 
2022-11-08 18:29:48	Psi-Jack	Err. No. I guess that is correct, nevermind.
2022-11-08 18:30:19	Psi-Jack	So, last thing to check. Do you by chance happen to have a directory, ~/.sounds ?
2022-11-08 18:30:25	Scimmia	jb1277976: from that output, you already have virtualbox-host-modules-arch. What you're talking about has nothing to do with the modules, though
2022-11-08 18:30:41	CubeTheThird	Psi-Jack, nope
2022-11-08 18:31:14	Psi-Jack	Then maybe just Alt+F2, 'r', (without quotes), to restart the shell, and possibly restart whatever's not playing the right sound and see if that fixes the issue.
2022-11-08 18:31:24	Psi-Jack	It'd be very weird if that doesn't resolve it.
2022-11-08 18:31:46	Psi-Jack	Especially if you're fully up to date as of now, which I am and this process is working with 43.1
2022-11-08 18:31:50	jb1277976	Ok thanks Scimmia 
2022-11-08 18:34:48	CubeTheThird	Psi-Jack, no change 😭
2022-11-08 18:35:12	Psi-Jack	Hmm, tthen yeah, I'm officially out of ideas.
2022-11-08 18:36:59	CubeTheThird	well thanks for trying. Might make a forum post about it later then
2022-11-08 18:40:26	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-11-08 18:44:34	Psi-Jack	I just wish I could get /all/ sounds really working. But that seems like it's asking a lot because desktop-login doesn't even work. 🙂
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2022-11-08 18:48:27	ℹ 	jesopo es conocido ahora como jess
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2022-11-08 19:08:53	YamatoHD	hello
2022-11-08 19:09:08	YamatoHD	any way to get rounded borders in i3?
2022-11-08 19:09:34	teraflops	it's tiling…
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2022-11-08 19:10:00	artefact	circles can be tiled :>
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2022-11-08 19:10:18	teraflops	that's against the nature of a tiling wm imo
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2022-11-08 19:10:34	artefact	you can also make round windows with xshape extension
2022-11-08 19:10:44	teraflops	oyu can make a cat play the piano
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2022-11-08 19:13:12	YamatoHD	that's against the nature of a tiling wm imo - no its not, in DWM you can get both rounded corners and borders
2022-11-08 19:13:29	teraflops	!give YamatoHD goat
2022-11-08 19:13:29	phrik	YamatoHD: https://i.imgur.com/263enxT.jpg
2022-11-08 19:14:06	teraflops	YamatoHD: did you ask this question on i3's irc channel?
2022-11-08 19:14:15	YamatoHD	i just don't 
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2022-11-08 19:14:26	teraflops	ah, I wonder why
2022-11-08 19:14:47	YamatoHD	yeah, i just installed IRC first time in 15 years or so
2022-11-08 19:14:53	YamatoHD	no, i have not
2022-11-08 19:15:01	YamatoHD	there is an i3 channel?
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2022-11-08 19:15:27	YamatoHD	thx for the goat tho
2022-11-08 19:15:27	artefact	!ykinmk
2022-11-08 19:15:27	phrik	artefact: No idea
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2022-11-08 19:16:43	teraflops	YamatoHD: /msg alis list i3
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2022-11-08 19:17:28	coruja	i3’s IRC channel is irc://irc.oftc.net/i3 (or, #i3 on irc.oftc.net, for those without proper URL handling setup).
2022-11-08 19:18:33	YamatoHD	thx, will try 
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2022-11-08 19:19:02	YamatoHD	theyll probably bitch about me using i3-gaps and non standart picom and so on
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2022-11-08 19:21:29	keir	YamatoHD: i3-gaps has also been merged into i3 now
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2022-11-08 19:25:20	ℹ 	pr3dicament es conocido ahora como predicament
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2022-11-08 19:26:43	alad	wait what
2022-11-08 19:27:18	BrainDamage	the end times are near
2022-11-08 19:27:30	teraflops	penitenciagite!
2022-11-08 19:27:59	alad	does that mean even more crashes for free in the lovely i3
2022-11-08 19:28:07	gehidore	people still use i3?
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2022-11-08 19:28:14	teraflops	I guess so
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2022-11-08 19:28:37	teraflops	people still uses openbox or dwm
2022-11-08 19:28:43	gehidore	listen brothers haven't you heard about our lord and savior sway?
2022-11-08 19:28:48	⚡ 	gehidore runs away
2022-11-08 19:28:58	artefact	isn't i3 one of the most popular tiling wms out there?
2022-11-08 19:29:00	⚡ 	artefact is stuck on exwm
2022-11-08 19:29:07	gehidore	artefact that's the joke :)
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2022-11-08 19:29:58	alad	BrainDamage: the last i3 generation
2022-11-08 19:30:32	alad	gehidore: is that the one where you need to specify --I-will-buy-a-better-graphics-card or something in that nature to make it start
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2022-11-08 19:30:45	teraflops	yeah I hate that
2022-11-08 19:30:48	teraflops	:P
2022-11-08 19:31:36	alad	also speak at the end times
2022-11-08 19:31:39	alad	icewm is at 3.0.0 now :o
2022-11-08 19:31:42	alad	s/at/of
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2022-11-08 19:32:44	astralc	i'm shocked! icewm still exist?!
2022-11-08 19:33:15	teraflops	!icewm
2022-11-08 19:33:16	phrik	icewm is a window manager with a long history. It ships with themes that imitate GUIs from other OSes. Configuration is usually done via editting textfiles, and is quite flexible. Find out more at http://www.icewm.org/.
2022-11-08 19:33:37	MacGyver	Now I'm curious.
2022-11-08 19:33:38	teraflops	very polite and informtive 
2022-11-08 19:33:52	alad	except the link is to a copenhaghen hotel
2022-11-08 19:33:55	alad	damn domain squatters
2022-11-08 19:33:57	teraflops	haha
2022-11-08 19:34:10	grawity	!icewm =~ s/www.ice/ice-/
2022-11-08 19:34:10	phrik	grawity: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
2022-11-08 19:34:16	alad	phrik: icewm =~ s/icewm.org/ice-wm.org/
2022-11-08 19:34:16	grawity	\kick phrik
2022-11-08 19:34:17	phrik	alad: Tada!
2022-11-08 19:34:37	MacGyver	It's all quite polite.
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2022-11-08 19:40:49	tijko	grawity I've been trying to boot phrik or get him banned for the longest time he just keeps coming back
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2022-11-08 19:41:57	alad	phrik: kick tijko
2022-11-08 19:41:57	phrik	alad: Error: I need to be at least halfopped to kick someone.
2022-11-08 19:42:02	alad	no way
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2022-11-09 18:10:22	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-11-09 18:10:22	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1431 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1429 normals)
2022-11-09 13:00:30	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Git#Git_prompt
2022-11-09 13:00:31	@phrik	Title: Git - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-09 13:03:59	Edu4rdSHL	OverCoder, probably some shell that have that feature
2022-11-09 13:05:07	OverCoder	found it
2022-11-09 13:05:08	OverCoder	thanks
2022-11-09 13:05:22	Edu4rdSHL	What was? Fish?
2022-11-09 13:07:09	thurstylark	it fix
2022-11-09 13:07:12	thurstylark	 /thread
2022-11-09 13:23:11	xandromeda	hi
2022-11-09 13:23:28	xandromeda	new to irc
2022-11-09 13:25:08	mpan	xandromeda: hello, welcome to #archlinux. How we may help you?
2022-11-09 13:26:22	Edu4rdSHL	!give xandromeda politewelcome
2022-11-09 13:26:24	@phrik	xandromeda: Welcome to #archlinux - How can we help you?
2022-11-09 13:28:58	xandromeda	I just wanted to ask what's your reasons to use linux instead of windows and mac besides security, privacy and office work related reasons?
2022-11-09 13:29:57	Edu4rdSHL	For me is none of them but productivity and makes my live easier, xandromeda.
2022-11-09 13:30:30	Gagis	xandromeda, learning to use windows or mac and finding replacements for my favourite applications would be a massive amount of work
2022-11-09 13:30:34	mpan	xandromeda: from those reasons, “security” as a typical user security is certainly not a reason to use Linux over Windows. Not anymore in 2020s. Microsoft learned their lessons well.
2022-11-09 13:30:40	Gagis	thats however more of a #archlinux-offtopic kind of question
2022-11-09 13:30:49	Edu4rdSHL	I develop things for linux, work with containers/kubernetes, and even if it's something cross platform I can use linux and cross compile :P
2022-11-09 13:31:26	Edu4rdSHL	And for playing, which I do as well, I use PS5 and Xbox 
2022-11-09 13:32:02	Edu4rdSHL	But well, I use chrome and a lot of private software on my computer so... it's really about practicality for me
2022-11-09 13:32:07	mpan	xandromeda: I switched to Arch, because my Windows started to resemble a typical Linux distro… except in a broken way.
2022-11-09 13:32:30	Edu4rdSHL	Even when I develop a lot of open source things and contribute to distros/etc :p
2022-11-09 13:32:32	xandromeda	mpan, however privacy is still an issue with windows 
2022-11-09 13:33:39	xandromeda	Edu4rdSHL, oh I see
2022-11-09 13:34:44	xandromeda	Edu4, I wanna contribute to open source (especially) linux too
2022-11-09 13:35:03	Edu4rdSHL	Great, giving back to the community is always good
2022-11-09 13:35:14	xandromeda	*(especially linux), I meant
2022-11-09 13:35:16	xandromeda	yea
2022-11-09 13:35:59	xandromeda	Maybe after I have a stable life haha
2022-11-09 13:36:35	xandromeda	Im a former user of arch, thats why landed here...cuz I knew arch irc would have comparatively more users haha
2022-11-09 13:36:44	Edu4rdSHL	Well, you can start doing small contribs which doesn't take much time
2022-11-09 13:36:52	xandromeda	how
2022-11-09 13:37:14	Edu4rdSHL	Depends to which project(s) do you want to contribute to
2022-11-09 13:38:23	Edu4rdSHL	For example, reporting bugs is a contribution. Then if you can catch the fix and send a patch for it (or a pull request on Github, for example) 
2022-11-09 13:38:33	Edu4rdSHL	There are many ways, but well, not related to Arch 
2022-11-09 13:39:41	xandromeda	can we chat in offtopic?
2022-11-09 13:39:49	xandromeda	which channel though
2022-11-09 13:40:09	Edu4rdSHL	!offtopic
2022-11-09 13:40:11	@phrik	Take it to #archlinux-offtopic
2022-11-09 13:40:27	Edu4rdSHL	I'm not there, for mental health :p
2022-11-09 13:41:17	mpan	Edu4rdSHL: thanks for summing us up. We are not THAT bad! :c
2022-11-09 13:41:17	xecuter	and computer health? :)
2022-11-09 13:41:21	xandromeda	oh ok lol
2022-11-09 13:41:27	astralc	"THAT bad"
2022-11-09 13:41:32	Edu4rdSHL	xD
2022-11-09 13:41:34	xandromeda	np
2022-11-09 13:52:12	xandromeda	yea man I absolutely love the distro, and it has not been a very long time. Arch wiki is one of the best I agree
2022-11-09 13:53:00	xandromeda	Arch was my first linux distro, started using linux only a year ago
2022-11-09 13:55:09	rcf	It dominated and was then deleted 
2022-11-09 13:55:23	rcf	Proving that whatever it had said about backups was insufficient. 
2022-11-09 13:55:30	Gagis	it did. I remember referencing gentoo wiki when trying to fix some broken software on early versions of ubuntu
2022-11-09 13:58:06	xandromeda	gentoo wiki may not be the best for dealing with os problems but it's really good if you wanna learn more about the os
2022-11-09 14:06:38	Freneticks	latest vm images seem broken with pacman -Syu i get --> /usr/bin/systemd-sysusers: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.1.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2022-11-09 14:06:42	Freneticks	Any idea how to solve ?
2022-11-09 14:07:50	Namarrgon	are you pulling a fresh image and then run -Sy on it?
2022-11-09 14:08:02	Namarrgon	which exact image is this?
2022-11-09 14:08:04	bwanda	my lid close not woorking?
2022-11-09 14:08:21	Edu4rdSHL	Freneticks, partial upgrade it seems
2022-11-09 14:08:41	Edu4rdSHL	Should be fixed after a full update
2022-11-09 14:09:01	bwanda	manually sleeping the laptop
2022-11-09 14:09:04	Edu4rdSHL	I just checked and the binary has the right linking 
2022-11-09 14:09:30	zand1	Finally back on arch also in desktop pc (i was stuck at debian because of forticlient) :|
2022-11-09 14:09:30	Freneticks	Edu4rdSHL:  Arch-Linux-x86_64-cloudimg.qcow2 (latest)
2022-11-09 14:09:58	Freneticks	Namarrgon: ^
2022-11-09 14:10:36	Freneticks	I got it on a mirror (and verified gpg sign) not sure which version it is
2022-11-09 14:11:11	Freneticks	Edu4rdSHL: what do you mean partial upgrade ?
2022-11-09 14:11:33	Edu4rdSHL	Running `pacman -Sy something`
2022-11-09 14:11:50	Edu4rdSHL	Or `pacman -Sy` and then `pacman -S something`
2022-11-09 14:11:59	Namarrgon	h4rd3n3d: stay on topic
2022-11-09 14:13:44	Namarrgon	the latest image is from the 15th September
2022-11-09 14:16:18	xandromeda	I think it should be fixed after updating, if not...maybe try installing the specific version of the library it's asking for, openssl provides it i think
2022-11-09 14:16:36	Freneticks	Yeah maybe I inverted -Sy and -Syu in the wrong order ><
2022-11-09 14:18:18	@phrik	Title: System maintenance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-09 14:18:26	Freneticks	Yeah i know that
2022-11-09 14:18:46	Freneticks	But i think the image is just wrong now I get io error
2022-11-09 14:18:59	Freneticks	or maybe my disk ^^'
2022-11-09 14:20:03	Freneticks	no my main / btrfs ^^'
2022-11-09 14:20:37	rcf	Freneticks: IO errors would explain this without partial upgrades -- if the file can't be written properly, of course things will be inconsistent. 
2022-11-09 14:22:24	Shapeshifter	Hi. I've been using wayland on this new laptop and it runs OK but kinda crashy. So I wanted to try X. Here I have a very distinct problem, that somehow the input (?) is very laggy. Like, if I run glxgears or if I drag a window around, it's smooth, but if I try running a command (gnome-terminal) or just type in the terminal, there is a massive lag, in some 0.5-1s increments, it locks up for like 
2022-11-09 14:22:30	Shapeshifter	1-2s. the same is true when typing in Firefox, and also when scrolling pages in firefox. So I'm not even sure if it's an input lag or a display lag...
2022-11-09 14:22:39	Shapeshifter	This is a 2022 lenovo with intel iris graphics.
2022-11-09 14:23:15	Scimmia	are you using xf86-video-intel?
2022-11-09 14:23:53	Shapeshifter	regarding the scrolling lag: i don't think it's the touch input, because dragging a window is smooth. But again, glxgears runs smoothly so it's also not a display (output) lag, either.
2022-11-09 14:23:57	Shapeshifter	Scimmia: no.
2022-11-09 14:24:36	Shapeshifter	it also seems that if I run gnome-terminal, it takes like 1s too long for the prompt to appear.
2022-11-09 14:24:55	Shapeshifter	playing a movie in mpv is smooth.
2022-11-09 14:25:39	Scimmia	what WM?
2022-11-09 14:25:55	Shapeshifter	Scimmia: i3.
2022-11-09 14:26:44	Shapeshifter	it's funny, I notive that if I play a 1080p movie in mpv, it's smooth when fullscreen, and it's also smooth when windowed but ONLY if I keep moving the mouse cursor. If it's windowed and I stop moving the mouse cursor, it immediately becomes laggy, like 4fps.
2022-11-09 14:27:17	plasma	sound very weird, maybe some compositing issue
2022-11-09 14:27:40	bwanda	my lid close not woorking?
2022-11-09 14:27:53	bwanda	closing does not get it sleep
2022-11-09 14:27:58	Shapeshifter	plasma: interesting... if I run picom, the problems disappear >.>
2022-11-09 14:28:23	plasma	:)
2022-11-09 14:28:28	Edu4rdSHL	bwanda, repeating that every X minutes doesn't help. Post it on the ArchLinux forums, for example.
2022-11-09 14:28:48	Shapeshifter	but that's really strange, no?
2022-11-09 14:28:53	bwanda	i doe snot wnat to be on fourms
2022-11-09 14:29:01	plasma	indeed
2022-11-09 14:29:06	Edu4rdSHL	Then stop repeating here
2022-11-09 14:29:18	bwanda	when i will get helpped?
2022-11-09 14:29:42	Edu4rdSHL	And repeating here doesn't change anything except that it's annoying 
2022-11-09 14:29:50	jelle	bwanda: pick a number
2022-11-09 14:29:56	bwanda	okay
2022-11-09 14:30:05	Edu4rdSHL	People helped you yesterday, said what's going on and you came with the same question
2022-11-09 14:30:13	Bayes	List orphan packages geocode-glib 3.26.4-2
2022-11-09 14:30:30	Edu4rdSHL	Even someone said you to install something and check if the even is recognized there (was grawity iirc)
2022-11-09 14:30:32	Bayes	why would I get an orphan package? is it because it is no longer required by some package I have installed?
2022-11-09 14:30:33	Freneticks	rcf: it seems that archvm qcow are just a total mess, if i try debian qcow it's work out of the box
2022-11-09 14:30:36	bwanda	that which they said did not wokred
2022-11-09 14:30:51	rcf	Freneticks: to be clear, you started the VM and it refused to operate, correct? 
2022-11-09 14:30:53	Edu4rdSHL	bwanda, because it was dropped from the repos/aur
2022-11-09 14:30:57	Edu4rdSHL	Bayes, I mean
2022-11-09 14:30:58	rcf	Freneticks: from the moment it's downloaded? 
2022-11-09 14:31:09	Freneticks	rcf: it boot then initramfs say io error
2022-11-09 14:31:18	bwanda	Edu4rdSHL: can you link me now?
2022-11-09 14:31:23	Edu4rdSHL	No
2022-11-09 14:31:28	bwanda	dont have logs
2022-11-09 14:31:55	rcf	Freneticks: does the IO error correspond to one on the host? 
2022-11-09 14:32:33	LiquidityC	bwanda: You'll need to post on the forums. Laptop lid not sleeping isn't really detailed info. What DM what laptop etc? And if manually suspending the computer works then just use that.
2022-11-09 14:33:00	Bayes	Edu4rdSHL so geocode-glib was required by some package at the time of its installation, then said package updated and no longer requires geocode-glib?
2022-11-09 14:33:02	bwanda	but i have no power button, to turn it on?
2022-11-09 14:33:05	Edu4rdSHL	I saw the log, your sensors are probably broken, that's why it doesn't work
2022-11-09 14:33:05	bwanda	LiquidityC: ^
2022-11-09 14:33:26	jelle	bwanda: what do you mean I have no power button?
2022-11-09 14:33:45	Edu4rdSHL	Bayes, not necessarily but yeah, that and that the maintainer doesn't want to maintain it anymore 
2022-11-09 14:33:48	bwanda	Edu4rdSHL: which sensors ? which package
2022-11-09 14:34:07	Edu4rdSHL	The sensors on the lid
2022-11-09 14:34:27	Bayes	Edu4rdSHL ok thanks
2022-11-09 14:34:31	Freneticks	rcf: https://0x0.st/o6rv.png
2022-11-09 14:34:38	bwanda	Edu4rdSHL: does pm-utils?
2022-11-09 14:35:24	bwanda	rebooting brb
2022-11-09 14:35:30	bwanda	installed pm-utils
2022-11-09 14:35:35	Edu4rdSHL	bwanda, the package was was evemu but even after you ran it, nothing was detected
2022-11-09 14:35:41	Bayes	also, was there a way to tell which AUR packages need rebuilding after a pacman update?
2022-11-09 14:36:02	Edu4rdSHL	After a pacman update?
2022-11-09 14:36:11	LiquidityC	The ones that break
2022-11-09 14:36:38	Bayes	yeah, some AUR packages will depend on some official packages, and I used to have a command that would tell me which aUR packages required rebuilding after I update my system
2022-11-09 14:36:43	Edu4rdSHL	Probably "a system upgrade"
2022-11-09 14:36:47	Edu4rdSHL	Not a pacman update
2022-11-09 14:36:52	Bayes	yeah right
2022-11-09 14:36:59	Bayes	everything is pacman anyway
2022-11-09 14:37:15	Bayes	I thought I had a pacman hook for that but I can't find it
2022-11-09 14:37:44	jelle	Bayes: search for rebuild detector and pray it works
2022-11-09 14:38:27	jelle	aha.. great :)
2022-11-09 14:38:52	LiquidityC	How's he turning his computer on?
2022-11-09 14:39:07	Edu4rdSHL	If the lid sensors are broken I doubt that software can do anything :p
2022-11-09 14:39:11	Gagis	by pressing the power button's switch with some elongated object
2022-11-09 14:39:32	Gagis	but yeah, I thought they concluded the first time that the lid switch is broken and sought a software solution...
2022-11-09 14:39:44	LiquidityC	I have a working powerbutton on my dell laptop. No blockers
2022-11-09 14:39:53	rcf	Freneticks: the cloudimg is not supposed to be used in local qemu 
2022-11-09 14:40:13	Freneticks	? why
2022-11-09 14:40:43	Freneticks	rcf: (i use qemu with cloud-init) Isn't cloudimg the cloud-init one ?
2022-11-09 14:40:49	LiquidityC	I think they need a soldering iron or a new laptop in that cas
2022-11-09 14:40:51	LiquidityC	case*
2022-11-09 14:41:18	Edu4rdSHL	Freneticks, which image are you downloading¡
2022-11-09 14:41:24	Edu4rdSHL	?
2022-11-09 14:41:40	Freneticks	Edu4rdSHL:  https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/arch-boxes/-/jobs/101140/artifacts/raw/output/Arch-Linux-x86_64-cloudimg-20221109.101140.qcow2
2022-11-09 14:41:41	Edu4rdSHL	Aah cloudimg
2022-11-09 14:42:08	jelle	Freneticks: are you asking how to login?
2022-11-09 14:42:48	Freneticks	this is my cloud-init config : https://github.com/ichthyx/qissmu/blob/9acd9609c92c41e637b28f43117d1be0188ad3ac/qissmu#L181
2022-11-09 14:43:22	Freneticks	jelle: no
2022-11-09 14:43:27	Bayes	[10130:1109/074253.606929:ERROR:gpu_memory_buffer_support_x11.cc(44)] dri3 extension not supported.
2022-11-09 14:43:54	jelle	Freneticks: ah nvm
2022-11-09 14:44:55	rcf	Freneticks: well, the IO errors don't mean anything anyway, they're for the floppy drive, you can shut them up by disabling the controller in qemu 
2022-11-09 14:45:37	Edu4rdSHL	jelle, what's the default user/password for that image? :p
2022-11-09 14:45:45	rcf	Edu4rdSHL: there isn't one. 
2022-11-09 14:46:02	jelle	Edu4rdSHL: there is none
2022-11-09 14:47:25	Edu4rdSHL	k
2022-11-09 14:47:40	Edu4rdSHL	Freneticks, why wget and not curl? :p
2022-11-09 14:47:50	jelle	soudns besides the point
2022-11-09 14:47:56	rcf	wget is fine 
2022-11-09 14:48:22	Freneticks	dunno 
2022-11-09 14:48:42	Edu4rdSHL	Yeah, but I mean, curl is installed by default almost on all distros :p
2022-11-09 14:48:57	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL alias wget='curl -L -O'
2022-11-09 14:49:15	rcf	Which is setting yourself up for pain in the interest of convenience if you find a script that expects wget 
2022-11-09 14:49:25	rcf	But yes, besides the point 
2022-11-09 14:50:13	BrainDamage	aliases are for interactive shell, so they'd have to copypasta the script
2022-11-09 14:52:33	cedb	aliases should be capped at like 5 max
2022-11-09 14:53:01	⚡ 	cedb did not enjoy the result of running `which which` at work
2022-11-09 14:54:02	jelle	the thesis is still being written.. now move on to something relevant :p
2022-11-09 14:54:05	alad	I don't understand the need to meta everything
2022-11-09 14:54:20	BrainDamage	!grab alad
2022-11-09 14:54:20	@phrik	braindamage: Tada!
2022-11-09 14:54:40	alad	>:|
2022-11-09 14:55:15	astralc	yes, need to reduce how much meta... like their stock
2022-11-09 14:56:07	rcf	Freneticks: so, does it actually get trapped on fd0 errors? And if you pass -fda /dev/null to qemu (which shuts them up), where does it fail? 
2022-11-09 14:57:54	Freneticks	rcf: yeah but why does error ?
2022-11-09 14:58:14	Bayes	was there any big update for ssl? http://ix.io/4fpp
2022-11-09 14:58:20	rcf	Bayes: yes
2022-11-09 14:58:29	Bayes	I just broke my system lmao
2022-11-09 14:58:43	Edu4rdSHL	Don't perform partial upgrades
2022-11-09 14:58:45	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-11-09 14:58:56	Bayes	wdym partial upgrades?
2022-11-09 14:59:01	Bayes	I upgraded everything
2022-11-09 14:59:10	Edu4rdSHL	Then why > I just broke my system lmao
2022-11-09 14:59:13	astralc	including rebuilding aur packages?
2022-11-09 14:59:22	Bayes	yep, twice
2022-11-09 14:59:59	rcf	Bayes: you need to rebuild packages in the right order. Also -bin packages will stay broken no matter what you do
2022-11-09 15:00:00	Edu4rdSHL	Let me guess, you are using rstudio-desktop-bin
2022-11-09 15:00:11	Bayes	I am :D
2022-11-09 15:00:13	Bayes	bin package
2022-11-09 15:00:22	Edu4rdSHL	See how I'm a mage?m
2022-11-09 15:00:24	Bayes	how would you all be so smart? :D
2022-11-09 15:00:31	Edu4rdSHL	Well, install openssl-1.1 for now
2022-11-09 15:01:20	astralc	combination of experience, google-fu, and god-like clairvoyance.
2022-11-09 15:01:41	Bayes	Edu4rdSHL pacman -Syu openssl and then rebuilding the aur package?
2022-11-09 15:01:47	Bayes	that's what I'm doing at least
2022-11-09 15:01:48	Edu4rdSHL	Nope
2022-11-09 15:01:52	Edu4rdSHL	pacman -S openssl-1.1
2022-11-09 15:02:02	cedb	ewww
2022-11-09 15:02:11	rcf	Bayes: no need to rebuild -bin 
2022-11-09 15:02:20	Bayes	rcf gotcha
2022-11-09 15:02:22	cedb	rstudio depending on an older version of openssl?
2022-11-09 15:02:32	rcf	cedb: all binaries do, for the time being 
2022-11-09 15:02:41	Edu4rdSHL	-bin packages aren't going to change anything reinstalling (you didn't rebuild them)
2022-11-09 15:02:48	Scimmia	a -bin package that broke the system? That doesn't sound good
2022-11-09 15:02:56	Bayes	Edu4rdSHL btw I use the -bin version cause that's the only flavor for the daily build
2022-11-09 15:03:19	Edu4rdSHL	Scimmia, not really, the "broke my system" seems "broke rstudio-desktop-bin"
2022-11-09 15:03:38	Bayes	it works now, thanks Edu4rdSHL
2022-11-09 15:03:53	cedb	R--
2022-11-09 15:04:03	rcf	R++
2022-11-09 15:04:07	rcf	Kept themselves less vulnerable 
2022-11-09 15:04:26	Bayes	^ am I in trouble?
2022-11-09 15:04:32	rcf	No
2022-11-09 15:04:57	Edu4rdSHL	We all are
2022-11-09 15:05:11	cedb	rcf: i meant as a lang
2022-11-09 15:06:23	cedb	oh i didnt see that https://snyk.io/blog/breaking-down-openssl-vulnerability/
2022-11-09 15:06:25	@phrik	Title: Breaking down the 'critical' OpenSSL vulnerability | Snyk (at snyk.io)
2022-11-09 15:11:19	rcf	Freneticks: ideally it wouldn't error, I'm inclined to blame the kernel because who in their right mind would bother maintaining the old floppy controller code 
2022-11-09 15:11:50	Freneticks	I don't understand why the vm something just stuck and something boot
2022-11-09 15:11:58	Freneticks	sometimes*
2022-11-09 15:17:09	⚡ 	rcf tries to see if he can replicate the breakage exactly
2022-11-09 15:29:52	rcf	Freneticks: hmm, despite running numerous times it seems to boot properly here every time 
2022-11-09 15:33:27	rcf	Freneticks: and -Syu works properly following a keyring initialization 
2022-11-09 15:52:18	bwanda	sorry, got into network issue
2022-11-09 15:52:42	bwanda	ctrl event scan faild
2022-11-09 15:52:59	bwanda	evemu
2022-11-09 15:53:01	bwanda	ok
2022-11-09 15:53:17	bwanda	Edu4rdSHL: there
2022-11-09 15:53:33	bwanda	cant connect to wifi now
2022-11-09 15:53:43	bwanda	help nedeed ?
2022-11-09 15:53:46	bwanda	i
2022-11-09 15:55:54	bwanda	 anyone?
2022-11-09 15:56:09	bwanda	plz help me out?
2022-11-09 15:58:00	bwanda	etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf i don5 have onehttps://groups.google.com/g/linux.debian.bugs.dist/c/ZOWNZzUyr48/m/lALgGUSdCgAJ?pli=1
2022-11-09 16:06:42	laocid	bwanda, you can always try dhcpcd instead
2022-11-09 16:08:01	bwanda	laocid: wpa noy connting wireless id
2022-11-09 16:08:07	bwanda	not*
2022-11-09 16:08:16	bwanda	connecting*
2022-11-09 16:08:44	jelle	bwanda: I am going to ask you nicely. Please for the benefit of everyone, first write down a coherent story about your problem
2022-11-09 16:11:11	bwanda	i updates pacman-syu and reboot then started to fail
2022-11-09 16:13:01	coruja	!give bwanda askform
2022-11-09 16:13:01	@phrik	bwanda: To make helping you easier for us, consider asking this way: 'I have a problem with ___. When I try to do ___, I get the following output: ___. I expected it to do ___.' Please mind !paste.
2022-11-09 16:17:09	damjan	nice :)
2022-11-09 17:11:06	Freneticks	rcf: did you try to boot, pacman -Syu, shutdown and boot again (black screen here)
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2022-11-10 17:28:27	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-11-10 17:28:27	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1417 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1415 normals)
2022-11-10 10:23:06	deafpolygon	no automatic phone-home, opt-in telemetry only
2022-11-10 10:25:06	Namarrgon	arch isn't "privacy" focused, you will find software in the repos that may "phone home" or uses not-even-opt-out telemetry
2022-11-10 10:25:26	mpan	deafpolygon: the base metapackage, which is the only package you must install, does not pull in anything that tracks you. What you install yourself is between you and the creators of the given software.
2022-11-10 10:25:42	thursdaylark	what you install is what you get around here. All of the packages that are assumed to be installed by all users (read: the dependencies of the core/base package) are easy to find, as are their sources
2022-11-10 10:26:28	mpan	Arch itself does not add any privacy-infringing crust over what upstream serves either.
2022-11-10 10:27:05	deafpolygon	it's safe to assume it doesn't remove any privacy-infringing things on the base packages either, then?
2022-11-10 10:27:18	mpan	But the question is really poorly worded, because even to download the ISO you must either use BitTorrent (you share information with a bunch of random people in the swarm) or from a mirror (ran by random people).
2022-11-10 10:28:00	deafpolygon	but that information isn't [directly] personally identifiable, and neccessary for torrent to function
2022-11-10 10:28:02	Namarrgon	arch generally avoids patching software
2022-11-10 10:28:27	thursdaylark	I think the biggest vector for the concern for privacy is the various services around Arch (bug tracker, mailing lists, etc.), but again, the devops team works in as much of an open fashion as possible
2022-11-10 10:28:39	mpan	deafpolygon: <https://archlinux.org/packages/core/any/base/> ← this is the list of packages “base” installs (in dependencies). Ask yourself what information they may send under normal circumstances.
2022-11-10 10:28:40	astralc	deafpolygon: do you count "connecting to repo to download update" as privacy issue?
2022-11-10 10:28:42	@phrik	Title: Arch Linux - base 3-1 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2022-11-10 10:29:12	deafpolygon	astralc: not usually what i would consider a privacy issue
2022-11-10 10:30:02	deafpolygon	unless that connection exchanges personally identifiable information about the end-user and/or additionally tracks them across multiple iteration
2022-11-10 10:30:39	Namarrgon	since the mirrors aren't under arch's direct control we don't know how much information they collect
2022-11-10 10:30:54	thursdaylark	fwiw there's nothing in pacman that would report that kind of stuff anyways
2022-11-10 10:31:19	mpan	deafpolygon: seriously, define your threat model more precisely. Because, other than the general information given above, without precise description it’s hard to answer your questions more precisely.
2022-11-10 10:31:28	thursdaylark	^
2022-11-10 10:32:24	deafpolygon	mpan, thursdaylark : that's a good point but it's hard to pin down what i should be, or should not be. to get perfect privacy id have to disconnect from the internet and go live in a cave somewhere
2022-11-10 10:32:39	deafpolygon	be or not be concerned with*
2022-11-10 10:33:00	mpan	Indeed. But it’s hard to answer that kind of a question.
2022-11-10 10:33:33	deafpolygon	I understand, but where do you start?
2022-11-10 10:33:39	deafpolygon	(to answer it)
2022-11-10 10:33:56	mpan	By defininig your threat model.
2022-11-10 10:34:50	mpan	Otherwise you got the general question. The only metapackage that must be installed in Arch (base) does not pull anything that is intentionally tracking you. Arch does not add any tracking features over upstream packages, and avoids modifying them in any way in general.
2022-11-10 10:35:13	deafpolygon	Which is good, I think. It comes down to the individual packages, then.
2022-11-10 10:35:33	deafpolygon	Where does upstream come from
2022-11-10 10:35:38	mpan	Upstream
2022-11-10 10:35:49	mpan	Upsteram = whoever develops the software.
2022-11-10 10:37:10	deafpolygon	e.g. the original source?
2022-11-10 10:37:33	thursdaylark	the link to the source is provided on the package's page when you search on https://archlinux.org/packages
2022-11-10 10:37:37	@phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2022-11-10 10:38:16	thursdaylark	(the same data is provided if you ask pacman to show the package's details fwiw)
2022-11-10 10:43:42	tatsumaru	can python replace bash for system administration? is there any point in learning bash if you already know python?
2022-11-10 10:44:46	thursdaylark	Not everything you encounter will have python installed or will have a pythonic interface
2022-11-10 10:45:39	tatsumaru	thursdaylark: what if your goal is primarily to manage your own systems and it's up to you to determine the tech stack
2022-11-10 10:45:43	Khorne	What does the question even mean
2022-11-10 10:45:55	deafpolygon	i think the main thing i care about is that no one can collect or know what i am doing on my own computer. that includes files, what i'm doing, etc.  i understand that browsing the web i'm tracked, and i can use tor for activities i wish not to be tracked. what i'd like is to be sure that i'm on an operating system that won't leak what i'm doing on my own device (something i feel like Microsoft
2022-11-10 10:45:57	deafpolygon	and Apple is wont to do). 
2022-11-10 10:46:13	tatsumaru	Khorne: are you asking me?
2022-11-10 10:46:18	Khorne	Yes
2022-11-10 10:46:21	thursdaylark	it's similar to my reasoning for not switching away from qwerty: someone else's desk will probably not have an alternative layout keyboard on it, it'll probably have a qwerty keyboard
2022-11-10 10:46:35	thursdaylark	tatsumaru: then !best applies
2022-11-10 10:46:38	thursdaylark	!best
2022-11-10 10:46:38	@phrik	Use whatever suits _you_ best.
2022-11-10 10:47:12	tatsumaru	Khorne: it means can you do everything can do in bash in python and if so and if you only know python is there any reason to learn bash scripting too or can you just manage your linux distro through python
2022-11-10 10:47:27	Khorne	tatsumaru, sure you can, just call processes from python
2022-11-10 10:47:44	wunit	you can do everything in C as well
2022-11-10 10:48:06	Tom^	i do it all in C or C++ *shrug* but then i dont work with or touch others computers
2022-11-10 10:48:16	thursdaylark	like I said, not everything will have a python interface, but most will have a command line interface
2022-11-10 10:48:53	wunit	but usually it's about "the best too for a given job", and for certain things, a shell script is just better suited than a python script
2022-11-10 10:48:57	wunit	*tool
2022-11-10 10:49:03	thursdaylark	deafpolygon: yeah, then that question should be asked of the software you choose to install
2022-11-10 10:49:06	deafpolygon	Python can shell out to bash, etc.  It's doable.  it sometimes is more work than a simple bash script - sometimes a bash script can't do a simple thing simply.  if you're just running commands (programs) in sequence bash is simple
2022-11-10 10:49:14	Khorne	However I manage my machines neither through bash nor through pure python so..
2022-11-10 10:50:34	grawity	you can run everything through python, but would you rather subprocess.run(["git", "add", *glob.glob("*.txt")], check=True) or would you rather `git add *.txt`
2022-11-10 10:50:53	mpan	deafpolygon: then it’s between you and software developer. For core Arch components and Arch’s own policies: as said earlier. But if you e.g. install pkgstats, pkgstats.de will get a list of what you have installed.
2022-11-10 10:51:13	grawity	I wouldn't recommend writing complex scripts in bash though
2022-11-10 10:51:26	tatsumaru	grawity: yeah that was my point, I wanted to know if learning bash could save me time in the long term vs doing everything in python I guess
2022-11-10 10:51:47	deafpolygon	learning your shell (not specific to bash) is ALWAYS recommended
2022-11-10 10:51:59	Khorne	Yea, it can. If doing it in bash is quicker than firing it up in python
2022-11-10 10:52:06	grawity	like, if you're trying to sysadmin something with relatively complex logic, it's better to go with python than study the intricacies of shell ${} expansions and [[ operators
2022-11-10 10:52:09	thursdaylark	at the very least, you learn how to read someone else's script :P
2022-11-10 10:52:09	DigitalKiwi	i recommend writing complex one line behemeths that fill a terminal window in bash
2022-11-10 10:53:34	astralc	bash will always have "did I quote the paramater enough" question
2022-11-10 10:53:49	thursdaylark	!moar quoting
2022-11-10 10:53:49	@phrik	moaarrr quoting!!! MMMOOOOOAAAAAARRRRRRR!!!
2022-11-10 10:54:16	deafpolygon	!moar 😥
2022-11-10 10:54:16	@phrik	moaarrr 😥!!! MMMOOOOOAAAAAARRRRRRR!!!
2022-11-10 10:54:25	deafpolygon	fun
2022-11-10 10:55:47	tatsumaru	is 'sh script.sh' equivalent to './script.sh'
2022-11-10 10:55:55	deafpolygon	no
2022-11-10 10:56:21	deafpolygon	sh invokes whatever 'sh' is in your path or whatever is aliased to 'sh' with the argument 'script.sh'
2022-11-10 10:56:30	frojnd	Hi there
2022-11-10 10:56:39	thursdaylark	!give frojnd welcomerpg
2022-11-10 10:56:40	@phrik	frojnd: Greetings, observer of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get ruined on this day?
2022-11-10 10:57:00	deafpolygon	'./script.sh' is a built-in for bash/sh to execute a file (usually requires a !# line or something in the file to figure otu what needs to be run)
2022-11-10 10:57:23	deafpolygon	or it will try to execute the binary if it is a binary
2022-11-10 10:57:32	deafpolygon	(as long as the +x bit is set in permissions)
2022-11-10 10:57:43	wunit	./script.sh will read the shebang and invoke the interpreter based on that (might not be sh/bash or *any* shell)
2022-11-10 10:57:51	thursdaylark	it's the difference between "tell sh to run this script" and "run this script"
2022-11-10 10:58:05	wunit	or yeah, if it's a binary, it won't treat it as a script, but just launch it with ld.so
2022-11-10 10:58:44	frojnd	This is probably hw issue? I have thinkpad x230 laptop and when I undock it from sleep or not from sleep,... after some time laptop just powers off. If it's in sleep undocked. It wont power off after I start using it. I tried with other OS like Alpine linux and it's the same. As if something is messed up with docking and undocking... Very annoying. Any ideas how can I solve this issue?
2022-11-10 10:58:54	thursdaylark	more accurately: "run sh with this argument" vs "run this"
2022-11-10 11:01:33	frojnd	It's interesting because if I dock it and use it docked it wont power off after usage. But if I undock it it will just power off after some time. Even though battery is not dead. Hm maybe I have to discharge it or smth calibrate battery
2022-11-10 11:02:15	thursdaylark	frojnd: can you post journalctl output from a boot where this happened?
2022-11-10 11:02:18	astralc	frojnd: maybe it send some trigger like "lid closed"? also, did you check dmesg/journalctl?
2022-11-10 11:02:49	frojnd	Nothing suspecios but will take a look at journalctl from last boot
2022-11-10 11:03:55	PMunch	How come the NPM package has been outdated for 20 days? https://archlinux.org/packages/community/any/npm/
2022-11-10 11:03:57	@phrik	Title: Arch Linux - npm 8.19.2-1 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2022-11-10 11:04:17	thursdaylark	frojnd: can you post the full output of `journalctl -b -1`? would help in understanding the sequence of events
2022-11-10 11:05:37	frojnd	thursdaylark: give me a minute. I currently heave clean boot without docking...
2022-11-10 11:05:43	frojnd	Will repro in a few minutes
2022-11-10 11:06:07	thursdaylark	frojnd: if you know how many boots ago, you can just change that -1 to -whatever :P
2022-11-10 11:06:54	another|	phrik: because nobody updated it
2022-11-10 11:06:55	@phrik	another|: Say what?
2022-11-10 11:07:05	another|	PMunch: 
2022-11-10 11:07:20	frojnd	I think it also happens when lid is opened.... thursdaylark ha! I docked it while lid opened and it powered off... interesting
2022-11-10 11:07:31	frojnd	Let me boot it and paste journalctl
2022-11-10 11:07:57	astralc	maybe you are accidently press the dock power button?
2022-11-10 11:08:09	thursdaylark	weirdness :/
2022-11-10 11:09:07	PMunch	another|, well obviously
2022-11-10 11:12:09	frojnd	thursdaylark: https://termbin.com/r6t8n 
2022-11-10 11:12:31	frojnd	It powered off after a few seconds I docked it... now it's docked charging and I will undock it
2022-11-10 11:13:08	thursdaylark	this log says it went into suspend
2022-11-10 11:13:21	frojnd	It's weird I think logs are missing
2022-11-10 11:13:42	frojnd	I did put it to suspend because at that time I closed lid
2022-11-10 11:13:53	frojnd	Is it possible journlactl didn't log after I woke it and put it on dock?
2022-11-10 11:14:01	frojnd	Anyways it powered off just now after undock it
2022-11-10 11:15:07	thursdaylark	If it didn't shut down gracefully, it's possible that it wouldn't have time to sync that to storage
2022-11-10 11:16:34	frojnd	Logs after power off after undocking: https://termbin.com/ids8
2022-11-10 11:18:20	thursdaylark	hrm... doesn't look like a graceful shutdown to me...
2022-11-10 11:18:40	frojnd	It cold powers off
2022-11-10 11:18:46	frojnd	It just shuts down immediatelly
2022-11-10 11:19:02	frojnd	Will ssh to laptop from another machine and ran journalctl -xaf from that machine
2022-11-10 11:19:05	thursdaylark	smells like hardware issue
2022-11-10 11:19:49	astralc	clean the contacts? maybe something shorting it?
2022-11-10 11:20:04	frojnd	astralc: hm good idea
2022-11-10 11:34:31	post-factum	Foxboron: thx for (finally) removing linux-pf-nodocs-git ☺
2022-11-10 11:34:50	Foxboron	post-factum: no worries
2022-11-10 12:54:29	wyre	hi guys, I've been reading this post https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=220097 but it's not much clear to me why in Arch bin and sbin have been merged
2022-11-10 12:54:29	@phrik	Title: All roads lead to /usr/bin? / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-11-10 12:54:49	grawity	because why not
2022-11-10 12:54:57	grawity	or rather, why do other distros keep them separate?
2022-11-10 12:55:14	wyre	grawity, because of FHS(?)?
2022-11-10 12:56:13	wunit	FHS doesn't make the existence of sbin mandatory, does it?
2022-11-10 12:56:19	grawity	the FHS doesn't really say what must be in sbin
2022-11-10 12:57:09	⚡ 	grawity sees some parallels with /usr/X11R6 which everyone got rid of, and then FHS was updated to match
2022-11-10 12:57:46	wyre	then ... where this division comes from?
2022-11-10 12:58:22	astralc	seperate admin executables from normal user executables?
2022-11-10 12:58:34	wunit	AFAIK sbin originally meant "static binaries" [sources required, though]
2022-11-10 12:59:00	wunit	at some point that became synonymous with "sysadmin utilities", because statically linked things would keep working even if you screwed up your libraries, I guess...?
2022-11-10 13:00:07	astralc	I thought the /bin and /sbin was meant for specific system, and /usr... for shared stuff
2022-11-10 13:00:21	grawity	before we invented initrd, yes
2022-11-10 13:01:37	grawity	in SunOS 4.0, /bin and /lib were also symlinks to /usr/bin and /usr/lib, and its /sbin literally just had a /sbin/mount (to mount /usr)
2022-11-10 13:03:00	wyre	grawity, you mean before initrd this separation between system and user binaries made sense because of startup process was just using binaries from /sbin or something like this? 🤔
2022-11-10 13:03:25	grawity	no, I actually misread what astralc was saying
2022-11-10 13:04:48	wunit	but /bin and /sbin being split from their /usr/… counterparts was indeed made obsolete by initrd, no?
2022-11-10 13:04:50	Foxboron	wyre: in the old times / and /usr was on different partitions, disks where small. These days this isn't an issue, despite people arguing the seperation makes sense
2022-11-10 13:06:05	wyre	So I'm guessing this point about separating bin and sbin was always a matter of organization a just that? 
2022-11-10 13:06:27	grawity	I'm not even sure where bin vs sbin *really* comes from
2022-11-10 13:06:30	wyre	Foxboron, mmm, but I'm more interested in the point about merging bin and sbin than the thing about / and /usr
2022-11-10 13:07:21	Foxboron	wyre: if all the valid points for a seperation is moot, why shouldnt the distribution simplify the install locations?
2022-11-10 13:07:33	Foxboron	Else you end up with a question of "which package is allowed to install binaries where"
2022-11-10 13:08:56	Namarrgon	arch had sbin and bin in $PATH already, long before the symlinks
2022-11-10 13:09:24	lusr	if I want to install 10 packages from an unofficial repo, is there a way to do so without specifying the repo for each package?
2022-11-10 13:09:27	demonicmaniac	wasn't sbin for admins and bin for users?
2022-11-10 13:09:35	demonicmaniac	like 20 years ago in the FHS
2022-11-10 13:09:56	Namarrgon	lusr: do the names conflict with packages in the official repos?
2022-11-10 13:10:09	lusr	some of them, yes
2022-11-10 13:10:12	grawity	possibly, but e.g. `ping` kinda stopped being an admin tool, and so on
2022-11-10 13:10:21	grawity	in the past, "dangerous root-only stuff" like mkfs used to be in /etc
2022-11-10 13:10:33	demonicmaniac	yeah it's a holdover from the mainframe days i think
2022-11-10 13:10:42	Namarrgon	lusr: pacman will install from the first repo it finds the name in
2022-11-10 13:10:43	demonicmaniac	when you had loads of dumb users connected 
2022-11-10 13:10:54	wunit	/etc/init
2022-11-10 13:11:23	demonicmaniac	dumb as in dumb clients/thin clients/terminals not as in idiots
2022-11-10 13:12:06	lusr	Namarrgon, Hey thanks. Think I'll try using a list
2022-11-10 13:12:14	wyre	Foxboron, grawity so ... apparently these "system binaries" are also available for regular users in Arch? or is this maybe controlled through specific permissions inside /usr/bin? 
2022-11-10 13:12:19	Namarrgon	lusr: also, if the repo is ordered after the official repos and you install conflicting packages from it you risk breakage on the next -Syu
2022-11-10 13:12:47	grawity	wyre: they were always available for regular users
2022-11-10 13:12:56	MacGyver	grawity: Lost to the annals of time I'm afraid. All historians always harp about /bin vs /usr/bin, but /bin vs /sbin doesn't really have the same level of explanation.
2022-11-10 13:12:57	grawity	wyre: like, a user could just type "/sbin/ifconfig"
2022-11-10 13:13:23	demonicmaniac	the real confusion was /usr/sbin because why would that be in /usr
2022-11-10 13:13:25	grawity	the only difference is the commands weren't in $PATH
2022-11-10 13:13:30	MacGyver	Maybe someone should ask Ken Thompson while he's still alive.
2022-11-10 13:13:36	demonicmaniac	when usr was also split and you had /sbin and /usr/sbin
2022-11-10 13:13:40	grawity	someone probably did over on TUHS
2022-11-10 13:15:22	lusr	Namarrgon, yikes. So should I place that repo prior to the official repos in pacman.conf? or could I simply do "pacman -S SomeRepo/SomePackage"  ?
2022-11-10 13:16:11	Namarrgon	lusr: yes but then pacman might update packages from there even in place of packages found in the official repos
2022-11-10 13:17:01	Namarrgon	you can do the latter but then pacman will replace them with packages it finds in repos found further up
2022-11-10 13:17:11	Namarrgon	on updates, that is
2022-11-10 13:17:11	wunit	at least in solaris 8, the "static v non-static" appeared to still be the case: https://groups.google.com/g/comp.unix.solaris/c/XAitnI1Q-10
2022-11-10 13:17:50	MacGyver	demonicmaniac: That's not "the real confusion" anymore because like I said, all historians always harp about that quirk of disk space.
2022-11-10 13:18:11	MacGyver	demonicmaniac: But bin vs sbin doesn't seem to have a similar explanation anywhere.
2022-11-10 13:18:14	lusr	Namarrgon, is there something on the wiki that discusses how to install packages that may match the officiol repos, without problems?  I'm guessing it's not an issue for packages that aren't named the same in the Official repos
2022-11-10 13:18:18	MacGyver	It might indeed be admin vs normal users.
2022-11-10 13:18:25	MacGyver	The point is, nobody's dug.
2022-11-10 13:18:48	Namarrgon	lusr: the least-bad way depends on what you're trying to do
2022-11-10 13:18:51	demonicmaniac	MacGyver: ah i meant it was just confusing if you say sbin was for admin purposes then having a /usr/sbin seperate from /sbin for "users"
2022-11-10 13:20:16	lusr	Namarrgon, I'm following.  about 10-15 packages are from a foreign repo and have matches in either Official or AUR. Another 20 or so packages, I just want to install as a compliment to my system and not break the whole thing
2022-11-10 13:20:42	Namarrgon	from which repo?
2022-11-10 13:20:58	lusr	pm?
2022-11-10 13:21:08	Namarrgon	no, thanks
2022-11-10 13:21:13	Namarrgon	you can't win unless you're in control of the repo
2022-11-10 13:21:24	lusr	I trust the repo
2022-11-10 13:21:33	Namarrgon	yes but you don't control what's in there
2022-11-10 13:21:41	lusr	fair point
2022-11-10 13:22:09	lusr	I'm going to give it a go specifying the repo and possibly reach out to the maintainer for more info
2022-11-10 13:22:24	Namarrgon	the repo owner might not even support what you're trying to do, their packages might be interdependent
2022-11-10 13:25:26	wunit	the issue with third-party repos is usually keeping rebuilds/updates in sync with the official repos - without some kind of control over the repo, it's probably a bad idea to replace official packages by those there (unless they provide the full dependency chain, but good luck when glibc is affected)
2022-11-10 13:32:48	Austaras	When will arch get dotnet 7?
2022-11-10 13:32:58	thursdaylark	!when
2022-11-10 13:32:58	@phrik	When it's ready. ™
2022-11-10 14:42:10	chromebittin	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKdADrdpBoI& RetroArch episode of Linux Saloon is uploaded now
2022-11-10 15:33:30	tijko	phrik news
2022-11-10 15:33:31	@phrik	tijko: 2022-09-23T08:42:36+0000: Removing python2 from the repositories <https://archlinux.org/news/removing-python2-from-the-repositories/>
2022-11-10 15:39:50	Foxboron	chromebittin: how is that relevant to the channel?
2022-11-10 15:41:06	chromebittin	Foxboron: guess i missunderstood the Arch in RetroArch
2022-11-10 15:41:22	jkc	chromebittin: Very much so, yes.
2022-11-10 15:41:49	chromebittin	ah its Lakka with a new name
2022-11-10 15:41:58	chromebittin	so not based on Arch
2022-11-10 15:41:59	chromebittin	sorry
2022-11-10 15:42:04	Psi-Jack	🤦‍♂️ 
2022-11-10 15:49:06	Psi-Jack	Huh, an interesting change to mkinitcpio merging libalpm scripts into one. 
2022-11-10 15:53:56	jh81	heh
2022-11-10 15:55:16	nullie	retroarch with oldest possible versions of everything
2022-11-10 15:56:46	mefistofeles	kernel 1.x
2022-11-10 16:02:47	rcf	Kernel 0.x was the last good one
2022-11-10 16:06:33	Edu4rdSHL	When it doesn't existed was the real good one
2022-11-10 16:11:49	wunit	reject computers, return to monke
2022-11-10 16:16:08	Tom^	hm any ideas on how to change a module option from a user script that does not have root access
2022-11-10 16:17:26	Tom^	technicall changing /sys/module/pcie_aspm/parameters/policy to powersave
2022-11-10 16:18:52	astralc	passwordless sudo?
2022-11-10 16:20:35	Tom^	but wont that make my entire user be able to passwordless sudo ?
2022-11-10 16:22:25	Tom^	i guess i could do something stupid as echo YourPasswordHere | sudo -S Command
2022-11-10 16:22:26	Tom^	:D
2022-11-10 16:22:40	Namarrgon	you can limit sudo to a specific command with specific arguments
2022-11-10 16:23:11	Namarrgon	a suid executable and polkit are also possible
2022-11-10 16:23:37	Namarrgon	each with its own pitfall
2022-11-10 16:31:23	Bayes	might sound like an obvious question but please bear with me... are the .desktop files only relevant to "point and click" opening an app?
2022-11-10 16:32:01	Bayes	I'm saying this cause I don't have a desktop with icons, im using i3, so I never use those desktop files
2022-11-10 16:32:05	Bayes	and I wonder whether they might have any additional use that I might be missing
2022-11-10 16:32:08	astralc	only for things that support desktop files
2022-11-10 16:32:35	astralc	rofi, and dmenu (with special start command i think) support it
2022-11-10 16:32:48	Bayes	ah
2022-11-10 16:33:08	astralc	what you use as command launcher?
2022-11-10 16:33:19	astralc	($mod+d)
2022-11-10 16:33:23	Bayes	the i3 launcher
2022-11-10 16:33:49	astralc	the small bar in top?
2022-11-10 16:33:53	Bayes	yup
2022-11-10 16:33:54	astralc	this is dmenu
2022-11-10 16:33:58	astralc	check your config
2022-11-10 16:34:21	astralc	the default config has comment how to use it with desktop
2022-11-10 16:34:34	Bayes	oh gotcha, thank you
2022-11-10 17:02:53	lurst	Hi fellow Archers, I'm having trouble installing systemd-boot, I have already `bootctl install` configured the entry and loader.conf, but when running bootctl I see that I don't have any boot loader installed, what am I missing?
2022-11-10 17:03:13	lurst	I have already tried bootctl update/install and used the --esp-path
2022-11-10 17:05:12	lurst	Sorry, I just realised that maybe that's because I'm chrooting, my issue is different
2022-11-10 17:11:50	Namarrgon	it should still work in a chroot
2022-11-10 17:14:33	lurst	Oh, ok, so maybe it is an issue with it. I'm getting "Device '' not found. skipping fsck when booting into that entry
2022-11-10 17:16:19	lurst	So, am I missing any step Namarrgon? Maybe I didn't install something I needed during pacstrap :/
2022-11-10 17:16:38	Namarrgon	what does the arch.conf look like?
2022-11-10 17:16:50	Metroid	did you make sure you were booted in uefi mode?
2022-11-10 17:17:23	lurst	Actually, I don't think I install cryptsetup
2022-11-10 17:17:33	lurst	Yes Metroid 
2022-11-10 17:17:48	gehidore	wouldn't be this far if you hadn't
2022-11-10 17:20:12	lurst	actually, I do have cryptsetup installed, so it's not that
2022-11-10 17:20:57	astralc	what is the output of 'bootctl'?
2022-11-10 17:21:06	lurst	.paste
2022-11-10 17:21:14	lurst	!paste
2022-11-10 17:21:14	@phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-11-10 17:23:51	lurst	http://ix.io/4fwB <- bootctl astralc 
2022-11-10 17:25:16	astralc	"Linux Boot Manager" is systemd-boot, so it is installed, and you have arch.conf configured.
2022-11-10 17:25:25	Namarrgon	post arch.conf
2022-11-10 17:26:11	cryptodan	I see you dont have this entry lurst options: root="LABEL=arch" rw
2022-11-10 17:28:27	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-10 17:31:22	lurst	Do I need that cryptodan ? I don't have it in any of my other similary configured systems 
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2022-11-10 17:32:13	lurst	Namarrgon: http://ix.io/4fwD arch.conf
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2022-11-10 17:32:56	Metroid	that partuuid looks way too long
2022-11-10 17:32:57	zostj	anyone know if nvidia 470xx driver works now? 
2022-11-10 17:33:13	astralc	lurst: it is options, not option
2022-11-10 17:33:49	cryptodan	lurst: your loader / entry doesnt know where root is located so it cant  boot
2022-11-10 17:34:08	Metroid	ah just me
2022-11-10 17:34:54	Metroid	cryptodan they have "root=/dev/mapper/luksdev" in arch.conf
2022-11-10 17:36:15	cryptodan	maybe itll show up in bootctl when they fix option to options
2022-11-10 17:36:18	lurst	Indeed, bootctl was complaining, fixed the options. Could that have been the issue? The partuuid is correct, I just double checked
2022-11-10 17:36:38	lurst	cryptodan: yes, it does show up now
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2022-11-10 17:36:50	Metroid	the options line was missing from your paste so likely
2022-11-10 17:37:05	lurst	Rebooting...
2022-11-10 17:37:12	cryptodan	in bootctl is it all green?
2022-11-10 17:37:23	lurst	Perfect, it works!
2022-11-10 17:37:35	lurst	Bootctl was not all green no :/ 
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2022-11-10 17:38:15	lurst	It is green now that I booted correctly cryptodan 
2022-11-10 17:38:22	cryptodan	awesome 
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2022-11-10 17:38:27	lurst	Thank you so much for the help!
2022-11-10 17:38:51	lurst	"ssd" on the fstab, yay or nay?
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2022-11-10 17:43:50	another|	what fs?
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2022-11-11 03:15:03	thursdaylark	which doesn't exist at the point the encrypt hook runs
2022-11-11 03:15:28	gamara	oh I see so I need to get the UUID of /dev/mapper/root?
2022-11-11 03:15:42	Namarrgon	it points a the LUKS container
2022-11-11 03:15:45	gamara	sorry I mean /dev/volgroup0?
2022-11-11 03:15:45	Namarrgon	*at
2022-11-11 03:15:52	Namarrgon	where is the LUKS volume?
2022-11-11 03:17:12	thursdaylark	looks like LUKS on LVM, so I believe it's on the root lv
2022-11-11 03:17:33	thursdaylark	or at least that seems to be the intention :P
2022-11-11 03:17:35	Namarrgon	the one root= points to?
2022-11-11 03:17:45	Namarrgon	this naming scheme is a mess
2022-11-11 03:18:11	gamara	now to find out how to get the encrypted UUID
2022-11-11 03:18:20	thursdaylark	no, I think root= is correct
2022-11-11 03:19:32	gamara	https://imgur.com/a/6M0W0Vl This is my drive setup
2022-11-11 03:19:32	@phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2022-11-11 03:19:34	thursdaylark	it's just that cryptdevice= is set to the uuid of that same device, which doesn't exist until the layer above has been opened
2022-11-11 03:19:51	Namarrgon	the problem with screenshots is that there is no text search, you have to scan everything multiple times
2022-11-11 03:20:08	Namarrgon	gamara: blkid
2022-11-11 03:20:25	Namarrgon	lsblk -f doesn't list all meta-data because udev isn't set up in the chroot
2022-11-11 03:20:36	thursdaylark	yeah, if this machine has internet access, text pastes would be greatly appreciated
2022-11-11 03:21:05	Namarrgon	ah, the lv is called lv_root, not just 'root'
2022-11-11 03:21:21	gamara	yeah sorry about that not really sure of how I would post text from a fresh chroot
2022-11-11 03:21:29	Namarrgon	!ix
2022-11-11 03:21:30	@phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-11-11 03:21:42	Namarrgon	same as from an moldy chroot
2022-11-11 03:22:29	gamara	ok let me try
2022-11-11 03:22:30	thursdaylark	eww, you should really hang your chroots up after use so they don't get moldy
2022-11-11 03:25:49	gamara	command just output a bunch of trash
2022-11-11 03:26:20	Namarrgon	check for typos
2022-11-11 03:26:58	gamara	I mean it gives me a url but whats in the url is not what the command printed
2022-11-11 03:27:26	thursdaylark	what was the command?
2022-11-11 03:27:36	Namarrgon	what was the url?
2022-11-11 03:28:20	gamara	http://ix.io/4fy0
2022-11-11 03:29:02	Namarrgon	that's the letter Oh, not a zero
2022-11-11 03:29:39	gamara	oh yes lol
2022-11-11 03:30:53	gamara	Here is my grub.conf http://ix.io/4fyQ
2022-11-11 03:32:21	Namarrgon	have you spotted the LUKS volume's UUID?
2022-11-11 03:32:38	gamara	so I would change my UUID to /dev/mapper/root
2022-11-11 03:32:39	Namarrgon	did you uncomment GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y or is that uncommented by default now?
2022-11-11 03:33:08	Namarrgon	gamara: cryptdevice, as the name suggests, points at the thing that needs decryptorizing
2022-11-11 03:33:22	gamara	yes so I should change the uuid to /dev/mapper/root: UUID="b9c9b42c-8860-45a0-a56b-332012f67df9" BLOCK_SIZE="4096" TYPE="ext4"
2022-11-11 03:33:47	Namarrgon	what does TYPE say?
2022-11-11 03:34:33	gamara	sorry so I use this drives /dev/mapper/volgroup0-lv_root UUID
2022-11-11 03:34:44	thursdaylark	bingo
2022-11-11 03:34:47	gamara	type=crypto_luks :P
2022-11-11 03:35:08	gamara	thanks so much I will change it but will my home drive have issues mounting I feel like I have it configured wrong?
2022-11-11 03:35:35	Namarrgon	worry about that once you get the base system booted
2022-11-11 03:35:47	gamara	haha fair enough
2022-11-11 03:38:01	gamara	but wont it crash on boot because the home volume wont mount
2022-11-11 03:38:02	solsTiCe	hi. it seems to me that systemd-252 is failing to let me boot with my swap in LVM in LUKS. I got it working at one time but I don't know why. and reverting to 251 is a sure fix
2022-11-11 03:42:15	Namarrgon	gamara: if it fails to mount the filesystem it will drop you to a rescue shell, you can fix it from there
2022-11-11 03:42:32	MacGyver	Shame; my new NVMe drive seems to crash upon FLR.
2022-11-11 03:42:40	gamara	alright trying to boot now :S
2022-11-11 03:43:00	MacGyver	Ah well, no PCI passthrough for you, blockdev it is.
2022-11-11 03:43:49	gamara	ok its asking me for a passphrase for home group now I cannot login to it
2022-11-11 03:44:17	gamara	now it is stuck on dependency failed for Local Encrypted Volume
2022-11-11 03:44:38	Namarrgon	wait till it times out, then login as root and fix it
2022-11-11 03:45:00	gamara	ok in root now :D  thank you all so much
2022-11-11 03:47:10	gamara	I cant connect to the internet now though :/  because network manager wont start without lv_home
2022-11-11 03:51:31	gamara	should my fstab have,  "/dev/mapper/home        /home   ext4        defaults        0       2" or the UUID of /dev/mapper/volgroup0-lv_home
2022-11-11 03:54:26	Namarrgon	what does crypttab map the unlocked filesystem to?
2022-11-11 03:54:38	Namarrgon	either use that path or the UUID of the filesystem
2022-11-11 03:57:39	gamara	crypttab maps the unlocked file system to /dev/mapper/home, right now the UUID is that of /dev/mapper/home in fstab
2022-11-11 03:58:26	Namarrgon	did the lv_home LUKS volume get unlocked on boot?
2022-11-11 03:58:37	gamara	yes that worked
2022-11-11 03:58:40	Namarrgon	was it correctly mapped to /dev/mapper/home?
2022-11-11 03:59:05	gamara	but the home drive prompted for a password (which I dont have)
2022-11-11 03:59:32	Namarrgon	then something is wrong with the key or the crypttab entry
2022-11-11 04:02:51	gamara	my crypt tab looks identical to what is seen in the docs
2022-11-11 04:02:55	brocellous	Foxboron[m]: I just enabled secureboot and I never could have done it w/o sbctl. 10/10 
2022-11-11 04:04:06	Namarrgon	gamara: can you manually unlock the volume using the keyfile?
2022-11-11 04:04:34	gamara	Hmm wait I actually lied my cryptab file was not the same as in docs
2022-11-11 04:04:45	gamara	I just fixed it going to try to reboot
2022-11-11 04:06:25	gamara	Namarrgon  not sure how to do that would I just cat /etc/luks-keys/home |  cryptsetup open /dev/MyVolGroup/cryptroot root
2022-11-11 04:06:41	gamara	second command would be adjusted of course
2022-11-11 04:09:25	Namarrgon	--key-file /path/to/key/file
2022-11-11 04:10:57	gamara	ok awesome
2022-11-11 04:11:24	gamara	will try
2022-11-11 04:11:39	⚡ 	Namarrgon signs out for tonight
2022-11-11 04:11:51	gamara	thanks for the help :)
2022-11-11 04:24:34	brocellous	My luks2 volume has 3 keyslots enrolled and I want to test that they all work, but the --key-slot option for cryptsetup open apparently has no effect
2022-11-11 04:26:21	brocellous	I try specifying key-slot 0 which has the passphrase enrolled and it only tests the other key slots: http://ix.io/4fyV
2022-11-11 04:27:12	brocellous	If the fido2 key is present, it only uses that. Otherwise it only uses the tpm2 key. I can't get it to test the passphrase.
2022-11-11 05:12:17	OverCoder	do tools like htop account for the fact that COUs can change or frequency or do 'turbo boosts'
2022-11-11 05:12:22	OverCoder	CPUs *
2022-11-11 05:29:46	thursdaylark	OverCoder: probably, seeing as you can enable the "Also show CPU frequency" option in setup
2022-11-11 05:31:50	OverCoder	oh okay 👍
2022-11-11 06:54:13	zxrom	I run mandb and there are a lot of warning lines in the log. This is fine?
2022-11-11 06:54:28	mpan	Logs with the *exact* warning messages, please.
2022-11-11 06:56:36	zxrom	mpan, If you answer that your computer also has warnings, then that's enough for me. I don't see the point in showing the logs at the moment.
2022-11-11 07:01:41	mpan	zxrom: output of mandb heavily depends on a particular configuration of one’s system and whether any single person gets warnings is not telling much about if your warnings are fine. FYU, though that info is useless in practice: yes, of course I do get warnings.
2022-11-11 07:02:37	zxrom	mpan, So this is normal. Thanks for the confirmation.
2022-11-11 07:03:03	mpan	No, this is absolutely NOT what I said. If it’s normal or not depend entirely on configuration of your system (installed packages in particular).
2022-11-11 07:04:57	JTL	To be clear, we can't tell you if the warnings are a concern or not if we don't know what they are. MariaDB can emit warnings for any number of reasons.
2022-11-11 07:04:59	zxrom	mpan, I don't understand how it can depend on the configuration if mandb complains about the wrong format of the man files. Yes, forget it. If so many warnings do not bother anyone, then it is so conceived.
2022-11-11 07:05:24	mpan	JTL: mandb
2022-11-11 07:05:36	JTL	ohh
2022-11-11 07:05:40	JTL	I misread that as mariadb
2022-11-11 07:05:46	Edu4rdSHL	zxrom, saying that you have a problem without posting logs is useless, basically 
2022-11-11 07:05:57	mpan	JTL: no worries, I first wanted to point zxrom to #mongodb. :)
2022-11-11 07:06:47	mpan	zxrom: the point is we do understand that it does have such a dependency and, to offer you help, we need more information.
2022-11-11 07:06:55	JTL	^
2022-11-11 07:07:50	mpan	Otherwise the answer is: it may be benign, it may indicate you are going to lose your data in a hour.
2022-11-11 07:08:23	zxrom	mpan, I don't need help fixing it. I just wanted to make sure other computers have the same problem. Apparently, the correct format of the man-files does not bother anyone.
2022-11-11 07:09:03	mpan	But you did not provide any information to confirm that the problem you experience is the same problem I experience.
2022-11-11 07:09:15	zxrom	mpan, Good joke! I really enjoyed it :)
2022-11-11 07:09:30	mpan	Well, I assume at this point assistance is pointless.
2022-11-11 07:10:35	zxrom	mpan, Yes, I assume so too. If anyone cared about these mandb logs, then the packages would have been fixed long ago.
2022-11-11 07:10:56	mpan	zxrom: no need to ping me. I quit.
2022-11-11 07:11:10	zxrom	Thanks!
2022-11-11 08:44:24	cc0a3hr	I set vpn with wireguard recently I want networkmanager to automatically connect it. I selected it to make it autoconnect, but it autoconnected to wireguard while ethernet is off. I did these in networkmanager kde GUI. https://litter.catbox.moe/hycdoz.png
2022-11-11 08:45:15	predicament	error: failed retrieving file 'git-2.38.1-2-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst.sig' from archlinux.thaller.ws : ---- anyone have something similar today?  i'm trying to update my VPS and it won't let me because it seemsAAAA it cannot find that package anywhereA
2022-11-11 08:45:25	predicament	stupid keyboard
2022-11-11 08:45:34	predicament	and yes, i changed my mirrors four times.
2022-11-11 08:45:40	predicament	reflector 
2022-11-11 08:47:02	predicament	well, i just isntalled it independently so now the pkgs are updating.
2022-11-11 08:47:27	mpan	The file is available and downloads successfully here, from that mirror. Are you using a HTTPS or a HTTP mirror?
2022-11-11 08:48:30	mpan	If it’s HTTP, perhaps there is a captive portal or some other feature in your network that intercepts your requests.
2022-11-11 08:48:42	tirnanog	cc0a3hr: it's unclear why that's a problem. wireguard has no requirement for any other link to be up.
2022-11-11 08:49:33	tirnanog	if you want to use the wireguard tunnel all the time, it can be brought up and left that way.
2022-11-11 08:50:15	cc0a3hr	so people use wireguard vpns manually right? everytime select it when system starts
2022-11-11 08:51:17	tirnanog	those that don't want a wireguard-managed link to be active all the time would.
2022-11-11 08:54:45	Edu4rdSHL	cc0a3hr, enable NetworkManager-wait-online.service
2022-11-11 08:54:47	tirnanog	others might just bring it up and leave it that way, be it with the wg-quick service, NetworkManager or whatever else. if no link is active that can carry the encrypted packets originating from a wireguard link, that's fine. there's no "connection" process really.
2022-11-11 08:55:05	Edu4rdSHL	And make your service or whatever start after network-online.target
2022-11-11 08:56:11	tirnanog	n.b. "Wired Connection 1" doesn't have to be online - or even exist - to start "it-mil-wg-002".
2022-11-11 08:59:30	tirnanog	given that "Wired Connection 1" is the only physical link shown in your screenshot, that's why I was asking why it was presumed to be a problem. if that link is offline, having it-mil-wg-002 be online doesn't hurt. it won't work but it will start working as soon as it is able to.
2022-11-11 08:59:50	cc0a3hr	okay thanks
2022-11-11 09:00:09	tirnanog	it's not like, say, openvpn, that has to go through an elaborate connection process.
2022-11-11 09:02:10	tirnanog	if anything, brining the wg link up first helps protect against leaks.
2022-11-11 10:44:05	megumin	how to remove dup lines in .bash_history
2022-11-11 10:44:31	megumin	HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth:erasedups
2022-11-11 10:44:33	megumin	doesn't work
2022-11-11 10:51:54	wunit	megumin: where do you put that line?
2022-11-11 10:52:14	megumin	into .bashrc
2022-11-11 11:01:39	wunit	megumin: does it work for the active shell's history at least?
2022-11-11 11:02:37	megumin	wunit, it works for current session but doesn't work for all history. i think so
2022-11-11 11:02:38	wunit	if I open a new bash shell and run `ls` twice, I get the duplicate entries - but if I then set HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth:erasedups and run `ls` again, all the previous `ls` in the history are now gone
2022-11-11 11:03:17	wunit	I guess it won't retroactively delete older entries in the history file - it's probably append-only (but I don't know bash too well there)
2022-11-11 11:03:50	jmariondev	yeah, I think the docs say `erasedups` only removes dupes when you run the duplicate command
2022-11-11 11:03:51	grawity	it'll probably clear duplicates when loading .bash_history ... but if you have histappend set, it'll append the current (clean) history to the old history
2022-11-11 11:04:43	megumin	> shopt -s histappend 
2022-11-11 11:04:48	megumin	yea
2022-11-11 11:13:13	Foxboron	brocellous: :)
2022-11-11 11:40:44	arjab	I feel like this post should be on the Arch Linux website since the issue is coming up from people for days now: https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/ymv7vp/reminder_to_rebuild_aur_packages_on_soname_updates/
2022-11-11 11:43:48	Khorne	arjab, not really, it's nothing special and is required everytime any lib updates an AUR package was built again
2022-11-11 11:45:11	wunit	arch-announce email for each library package update! \o,
2022-11-11 11:49:00	grawity	eh I think a reminder would be fine
2022-11-11 11:49:39	grawity	especially after a massive update
2022-11-11 11:50:03	grawity	"as always, if you get '.so.xxx not found' errors this means you need to rebuild the affected software (see more at <wiki url>)"
2022-11-11 11:50:15	grawity	well, not just about that
2022-11-11 11:50:29	grawity	but about the 3.0 upgrade in general, because it means functionality changes, loss in functionality, etc
2022-11-11 11:50:32	arjab	Khorne It's not, but there are still dozens of people having an issue with it. I guess it would be very easy to just add this to the news page and would help a lot of people.
2022-11-11 11:50:51	Khorne	Sure, if there were a news article about a widespread update grawity, a note wouldn't hurt
2022-11-11 11:51:05	arjab	But maybe that against the Arch philosophy of being especially NOT user friendly.
2022-11-11 11:51:14	Khorne	But since there isn't I don't think a 'oh, rebuild your aur packages' news article would be justified
2022-11-11 11:51:31	Khorne	arjab, if you use the AUR you should be aware of the implications of from source built software
2022-11-11 11:51:44	Khorne	The AUR is not (generally) a binary repository
2022-11-11 11:53:28	arjab	I know I know, I'm just saying that I find it somewhat odd, that the issue gets a dedicated post of Reddit, when it could also just be mirrored to the Arch news page.
2022-11-11 11:55:25	Khorne	I have my idea of why a post on reddit was warranted :')
2022-11-11 12:14:05	masterkorp	Hello everyone
2022-11-11 12:14:25	masterkorp	I confess i am changed from gnome to xfce4 and I am liking it
2022-11-11 12:14:38	masterkorp	what startup session manager do you guys recomend/
2022-11-11 12:14:40	masterkorp	_
2022-11-11 12:14:43	masterkorp	?
2022-11-11 12:15:20	grawity	I mean if you use xfce4 then you use xfce4-session as the session manager
2022-11-11 12:17:36	masterkorp	I mean, a display manager
2022-11-11 12:18:01	grawity	none, startx
2022-11-11 12:19:22	masterkorp	i am trying to configure lightdm 
2022-11-11 12:20:10	thrice	and?
2022-11-11 12:20:11	masterkorp	but when testing it with lightdm --test-mode --debug i get this https://0x0.st/-k.txt 
2022-11-11 12:20:34	masterkorp	 WARNING: Error updating user /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User1000: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: No such interface ?org.freedesktop.DisplayManager.AccountsService?
2022-11-11 12:20:47	masterkorp	But I already have accountsservice installed
2022-11-11 12:21:12	thrice	which lightdm greeter are you trying?
2022-11-11 12:25:27	masterkorp	lightdm-gtk-greetter
2022-11-11 12:25:45	masterkorp	I have installed with sudo pacman -S lightdm-gtk-greeter lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings xorg-server-xephyr
2022-11-11 12:26:16	astralc	why xephyr?
2022-11-11 12:26:34	thrice	are you sure the above is actually not allowing it to run?  It just says "warning"
2022-11-11 12:26:43	astralc	(but should be not related)
2022-11-11 12:27:28	sukhman	hey guys I have uncomfortable touchpad scrolling in every window
2022-11-11 12:27:38	astralc	from small search I don't see specific issue about it (and I use lightdm+xfce in some vm's) 
2022-11-11 12:27:48	sukhman	anybody know if it has something to do with drivers installed
2022-11-11 12:27:57	masterkorp	astralc its for useing debug mode
2022-11-11 12:28:27	astralc	so the warning in debug mode?
2022-11-11 12:57:54	asem	!paste
2022-11-11 12:57:55	@phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-11-11 13:14:47	dok	hi
2022-11-11 13:16:22	dok	I am not sure if this is ther right place, but I've noticed a dependency modification between two release of a package that now requires boost (not lib-boost) which adds 120MB to my system
2022-11-11 13:16:45	dok	arm-none-eabi-gdb 12.1-1 vs 12.1-2
2022-11-11 13:17:46	MrElendig	-2 is just a rebuild
2022-11-11 13:18:02	MrElendig	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/commit/02041d1ca2d2a6aa61cbe823aa8ced76f8d82d09
2022-11-11 13:18:18	grawity	gotta ask foutrelis why that was added in the commit before
2022-11-11 13:18:31	dok	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/commit/e5d65d36d4a0b4f95f0f5869d5dadac2a8ed83b0
2022-11-11 13:44:22	tijko	phrik good morning
2022-11-11 13:44:22	@phrik	tijko: Eh?
2022-11-11 13:58:32	dok	also upgrading blender from 17:3.3.1-4 to 17:3.3.1-6 has a net change of 52.68 MiB, which is a bit surprising
2022-11-11 14:25:59	lsrtl	hi, how to set default browser ?
2022-11-11 14:27:11	susi	I have set default-web-browser/default-url-scheme-handler in xdg-settings
2022-11-11 14:27:12	Tom^	lsrtl: depends entirerly. a DE with various components? probably its settings. some other applications that honors the $BROWSER env var? set that. mime list for xdg-open that some filemanager uses.
2022-11-11 14:27:20	lsrtl	I see, thx
2022-11-11 14:28:34	tirnanog	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xdg-utils#xdg-settings
2022-11-11 14:28:36	@phrik	Title: xdg-utils - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-11 14:28:36	foutrelis	dok, grawity: that's because I'm an idiot, it should be a build dep, not runtime -- bad transfer from the gdb package which lists build deps at the top-level 😳
2022-11-11 14:28:40	foutrelis	dok: will fix
2022-11-11 14:33:19	dok	foutrelis: thank you \o/
2022-11-11 14:33:49	dok	i think that's also the case for other -gdb packages
2022-11-11 14:37:05	foutrelis	yes, more fun for me 🐱
2022-11-11 15:27:19	thrice	being an unpaid packager is hard work, but you're doing GREAT, plz don't stop
2022-11-11 15:58:25	bluetail	thrice whys there no donate button?
2022-11-11 15:58:49	bluetail	I mean, even if there was, it would not pay bills
2022-11-11 16:09:19	Namarrgon	the donate button does pay the bills but none of the devs/TUs see a cent of it
2022-11-11 16:10:53	xaizone	thrice: god's work
2022-11-11 16:14:07	Khorne	bluetail, you mean this button? https://archlinux.org/donate/
2022-11-11 16:14:08	@phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Donate (at archlinux.org)
2022-11-11 16:19:53	another|	Namarrgon: Unless your name is Bill
2022-11-11 16:22:46	Namarrgon	only if you have multiple personalities and all of them call themselves Bill, then yes, Bills will get a cut
2022-11-11 16:36:06	grawity	rcf: here's the 32bit laptop's drm_info result if curious https://paste.rs/pvK
2022-11-11 16:42:26	rcf	grawity: should support sway just fine then 
2022-11-11 16:42:28	Furai	Ok, after a break I got back to the issue with efi. Turns out the usual. Even with disabled "secure boot" it was enabled.
2022-11-11 16:42:31	Furai	Nice.
2022-11-11 16:42:58	Furai	So now I've managed to boot with EFI to my live usb. 
2022-11-11 16:43:10	Furai	Is the "mario collect coin" sound some easter egg?
2022-11-11 16:57:28	mingdao	say wut?
2022-11-11 16:59:09	Furai	When I boot from USB I hear my PC Speaker making that distinct collect coin sound from Mario.
2022-11-11 17:02:52	Ennea	that sounds like a feature
2022-11-11 17:08:50	Furai	Nice feature indeed.
2022-11-11 17:39:04	another|	I have something similar on headless machines so I know when they're booted successfully
2022-11-11 17:44:54	Furai	How to check if I have microcode properly set up? The amount of info on wiki seems kind of overwhelming at times.
2022-11-11 17:45:43	BrainDamage	check /proc/cpuinfo
2022-11-11 17:45:48	Namarrgon	was it added to the bootloader config as an additional initrd image?
2022-11-11 17:46:25	Namarrgon	the first line of the kenrel log usually shows that the update took place. if it isn't there your cpu didn't need one or you set it up incorrectly.
2022-11-11 17:46:30	Furai	I see intel-ucode.img in /boot.
2022-11-11 17:46:44	Namarrgon	that only means the you installed the package
2022-11-11 17:46:50	Namarrgon	*that you
2022-11-11 17:46:50	Furai	Oh, ok
2022-11-11 17:48:55	Furai	journalctl -b shows first line saying `microcode updated early`
2022-11-11 17:48:59	Furai	So I guess I'm good.
2022-11-11 17:49:03	Furai	Thanks!
2022-11-11 17:50:32	Furai	Oh, I'm blind, wiki actually had section for checking if microcode was ran.
2022-11-11 17:50:47	Furai	English is hard.
2022-11-11 18:13:12	B-|	anyone having problems connecting keepassxc and librewolf?
2022-11-11 18:13:51	B-|	since like a week ago?
2022-11-11 18:15:53	keir	the intersection of a venn diagram of "uses librewolf" and "uses keepassxc" is very small
2022-11-11 18:16:17	keir	better to just state what problems you have and someone might be able to help debug them
2022-11-11 18:16:46	jelle	what is librewolf o.o
2022-11-11 18:17:07	Furai	Free wolf.
2022-11-11 18:17:27	heat	wrong
2022-11-11 18:17:33	heat	it's free spanish/latin american wolf
2022-11-11 18:17:48	jelle	....
2022-11-11 18:18:05	heat	the other free wolves are just freewolf
2022-11-11 18:18:08	heat	checkmate
2022-11-11 18:20:03	another|	i thought it was wolfssl
2022-11-11 18:21:38	keir	it's the Firefox version of ungoogled chromium
2022-11-11 18:24:37	susi	a bit surprised someone does not know abou librewolf..
2022-11-11 18:24:45	susi	I thought it was kinda known, but seems it's not
2022-11-11 18:26:58	Xinayder	probably not the right place to ask this but has anyone ever had an issue with libreoffice in arch where the libreoffice window is at the smallest size possible, requiring you to manually resize it to see the window buttons to maximize/minimize?
2022-11-11 18:28:36	Scimmia	Sounds like a WM problem?
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2022-11-11 19:44:37	baltazar	hi! pacdiff's merge feature doesn't seem to work when I have multiple CacheDir-s
2022-11-11 19:44:37	baltazar	where can such issues be reported?
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2022-11-11 19:44:52	jelle	baltazar: pacman-contrib's gitlab repo
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2022-11-11 19:45:40	bluetail	Khorne nah
2022-11-11 19:46:07	baltazar	ah, I see it's already reported
2022-11-11 19:46:14	baltazar	3 months ago lol
2022-11-11 19:46:15	bluetail	Ultimately, opensource / code for free doesnt fill your bank. Package maintainers do it for free, perhaps they should get some kind of reward
2022-11-11 19:46:42	baltazar	time to make a MR I guess
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2022-11-11 21:32:14	predicament	I have a problem.  Proton doesn't finish installation due to depencies..and there are loads of them.
2022-11-11 21:32:21	predicament	i have a screenshot
2022-11-11 21:32:28	predicament	or rather text
2022-11-11 21:32:36	predicament	https://bpa.st/QOL23MCDFOID2AQ3EB5LFCODBU
2022-11-11 21:32:39	@phrik	Title: View paste QOL23MCDFOID2AQ3EB5LFCODBU (at bpa.st)
2022-11-11 21:33:07	jelle	predicament: :: Repository AUR:, what third party repo is this?
2022-11-11 21:33:20	predicament	huh
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2022-11-11 21:33:42	astralc	you need to enable multilib I guess
2022-11-11 21:33:56	predicament	i have it enabled in pacman.conf
2022-11-11 21:34:02	astralc	which pacman wrapper do you use?
2022-11-11 21:34:05	predicament	and i see it syncing
2022-11-11 21:34:06	thrice	what on earth
2022-11-11 21:34:08	predicament	i use paru
2022-11-11 21:34:19	jelle	predicament: what is this AUR repo
2022-11-11 21:34:25	predicament	proton
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2022-11-11 21:34:40	astralc	did you sync database after enabling it?
2022-11-11 21:34:44	⚡ 	jelle facepalms
2022-11-11 21:35:13	predicament	dude what did i do now
2022-11-11 21:35:38	predicament	he said "What is this AUR repo" so i tell him that it's proton, i'm staring at it
2022-11-11 21:36:01	predicament	i dont know which repo it would be from specifically
2022-11-11 21:36:05	predicament	i only know its package name
2022-11-11 21:36:12	astralc	predicament: AUR repo is how paru call installing (building) from aur 
2022-11-11 21:36:14	gaku	predicament: post yer pacman.conf
2022-11-11 21:36:19	predicament	sure
2022-11-11 21:36:20	gaku	nvm
2022-11-11 21:36:44	gaku	jelle was thinking that perhaps you had a third party repo enabled, like that one chaotic-aur or whatever
2022-11-11 21:36:47	jelle	astralc: how non-confusing :P
2022-11-11 21:36:48	predicament	no.
2022-11-11 21:36:50	predicament	i dont
2022-11-11 21:36:53	predicament	trust me
2022-11-11 21:36:58	predicament	i would know if i  did
2022-11-11 21:37:01	predicament	nothing third part
2022-11-11 21:37:03	astralc	predicament: did you run "pacman -Syu" after enabling multilib?
2022-11-11 21:37:17	predicament	i had that enabled since i installed.
2022-11-11 21:37:58	astralc	weird, because I search some of what it doesn't find, and it is in multilib
2022-11-11 21:38:03	astralc	are you sure it is enabled?
2022-11-11 21:38:18	astralc	like gaku said, post pacman.conf
2022-11-11 21:38:37	beest	it would not be the first time in here someone had one part uncommented but not another
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2022-11-11 21:39:15	predicament	ok ill paste
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2022-11-11 21:39:30	beest	most of the time the url gets uncommented but not the []
2022-11-11 21:41:01	predicament	https://bpa.st/4GSA
2022-11-11 21:41:05	@phrik	Title: View paste 4GSA (at bpa.st)
2022-11-11 21:41:07	predicament	pacman.conf
2022-11-11 21:41:28	astralc	run `pacman -Syu`
2022-11-11 21:42:29	predicament	did.
2022-11-11 21:42:40	predicament	what was the point of that
2022-11-11 21:42:47	astralc	and it showed multilib in the output?
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2022-11-11 21:43:27	predicament	:: Synchronizing package databases...
2022-11-11 21:43:27	predicament	 core is up to date
2022-11-11 21:43:27	predicament	 extra is up to date
2022-11-11 21:43:27	predicament	 community is up to date
2022-11-11 21:43:27	predicament	 multilib is up to date
2022-11-11 21:43:28	predicament	:: Starting full system upgrade...
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2022-11-11 21:43:30	predicament	 there is nothing to do
2022-11-11 21:43:32	predicament	'
2022-11-11 21:43:50	predicament	i already enabled it
2022-11-11 21:44:03	astralc	`pacman -Ss lib32-giflib`
2022-11-11 21:44:07	predicament	sec
2022-11-11 21:44:36	predicament	multilib/lib32-giflib 5.2.1-1
2022-11-11 21:44:36	predicament	    Library for reading and writing gif images
2022-11-11 21:44:36	predicament	'
2022-11-11 21:45:17	Namarrgon	how are you building the package?
2022-11-11 21:45:24	astralc	try to install proton again, it should find the lib32
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2022-11-11 21:45:43	losth1ghway	does anyone know a way to get pulseaudio to remember the last volume setting of a connected bluetooth device -- or to specify a volume other than 100 that it connects at?
2022-11-11 21:45:44	predicament	...
2022-11-11 21:45:47	predicament	ugh
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2022-11-11 21:46:25	predicament	: There are 3 providers available for lib32-opengl-driver:
2022-11-11 21:46:25	predicament	:: Repository multilib:
2022-11-11 21:46:25	predicament	    1) lib32-mesa  2) lib32-mesa-amber  3) lib32-nvidia-utils  
2022-11-11 21:46:25	predicament	Enter a number (default=1): 
2022-11-11 21:46:37	predicament	i dont know which one to pick there, i use nvidia
2022-11-11 21:46:43	predicament	primarily
2022-11-11 21:46:44	Namarrgon	the default is fine
2022-11-11 21:46:48	predicament	okay
2022-11-11 21:47:19	predicament	too many lib32 packages
2022-11-11 21:47:28	Namarrgon	... you're building wine
2022-11-11 21:47:36	predicament	yes i know
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2022-11-11 21:47:45	predicament	i just said taht to say it, dont be a smartass
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2022-11-11 21:48:43	predicament	how come makepkg are so slow?
2022-11-11 21:48:53	gaku	predicament: makepkg is not slow, proton is just huge
2022-11-11 21:49:09	predicament	i didnt phrase that correctly
2022-11-11 21:49:18	predicament	sorry i forgot what i was trying to ask
2022-11-11 21:49:28	gaku	compiling something huge will be slow, unless you have all the cpus of the world :p
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2022-11-11 21:49:38	predicament	i have 12 threads
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2022-11-11 21:50:05	Namarrgon	upgrade the floppy drive
2022-11-11 21:50:10	predicament	i cant usually edit multiple pkgbuilds with paru
2022-11-11 21:50:12	gaku	ofc, you might not be using threaded building
2022-11-11 21:50:17	gaku	so it might be just using a single thread
2022-11-11 21:50:19	predicament	when it asks to review, it does one package
2022-11-11 21:50:22	teraflops	💾
2022-11-11 21:50:24	predicament	then it installs the rest
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2022-11-11 21:50:40	Namarrgon	you should probably not be using an aur-helper if you're new to the AUR anyway
2022-11-11 21:50:51	predicament	new lol
2022-11-11 21:50:53	Namarrgon	or package management in general
2022-11-11 21:50:57	predicament	i used this forever
2022-11-11 21:50:59	gaku	i don't recommend giving it all the threads however, i did that mistake once before establishing some cpu quota
2022-11-11 21:50:59	◣	Betal (~Betal@user/betal) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-11-11 21:51:09	predicament	i just have had to reinstall some shit
2022-11-11 21:51:17	predicament	dont give me a hard time
2022-11-11 21:51:26	gaku	and then ruffle-git/rust ate my existence
2022-11-11 21:51:30	thrice	then don't ask dumb questions like "why is makepkg slow"
2022-11-11 21:51:44	predicament	it wasnt what was trying to articulate
2022-11-11 21:51:55	predicament	thats why i said that afterward
2022-11-11 21:52:53	predicament	i wanted to know why it doesnt review multiple PKGBUILDs
2022-11-11 21:52:58	predicament	paru i mean
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2022-11-11 21:53:25	predicament	it says "do you want to review?" and if you say yes it does one of them and the rest arent looked at
2022-11-11 21:53:25	thrice	not really a question for this channel
2022-11-11 21:53:29	gaku	predicament: that's just paru, aur helpers/wrappers aren't the main focus on #archlinux
2022-11-11 21:53:31	predicament	ok.
2022-11-11 21:53:37	predicament	sorry
2022-11-11 21:53:42	gaku	in fact, you could say most of the AUR is not supported :p
2022-11-11 21:53:52	predicament	sigh
2022-11-11 21:53:55	predicament	come on
2022-11-11 21:54:00	predicament	alright im going
2022-11-11 21:54:11	gaku	doing sheit with the AUR is not ez, tbh you might just do wine instead
2022-11-11 21:54:17	gaku	proton is more for like, steam
2022-11-11 21:54:26	predicament	i need steam..
2022-11-11 21:54:40	predicament	so
2022-11-11 21:54:41	Namarrgon	steam is already in the repos
2022-11-11 21:54:48	predicament	it is/
2022-11-11 21:54:50	predicament	.*
2022-11-11 21:54:51	gaku	duuude
2022-11-11 21:55:11	predicament	i just am saying i wanted ot install proton first
2022-11-11 21:55:17	predicament	thats about all
2022-11-11 21:55:19	gaku	predicament: steam packs proton in the runtime
2022-11-11 21:55:25	gaku	which is the ideal scenario
2022-11-11 21:55:34	gaku	since a lot of win games require older versions of proton
2022-11-11 21:55:39	predicament	well proton always asks to be built anyway
2022-11-11 21:55:43	gaku	i should know, i had to adjust the version twice
2022-11-11 21:55:55	predicament	well
2022-11-11 21:55:57	Namarrgon	what asks to rebuild proton?
2022-11-11 21:56:03	predicament	i only want counter-strike and nba 2k22. so.
2022-11-11 21:56:20	teraflops	predicament: it looks like you have no idea of what you are doing
2022-11-11 21:56:24	Namarrgon	you're not making any sense
2022-11-11 21:57:47	predicament	:: Running post-transaction hooks...
2022-11-11 21:57:47	predicament	(1/1) Arming ConditionNeedsUpdate...
2022-11-11 21:57:47	predicament	error: can't build proton-1:7.0.4-4, deps not satisfied: afdko
2022-11-11 21:57:47	predicament	error: packages failed to build: python-fontpens-0.2.4-3  python-fontparts-0.10.8-1  python-ufoprocessor-1.9.0-5  afdko-3.9.1-1  proton-1:7.0.4-4
2022-11-11 21:57:49	predicament	great
2022-11-11 21:57:51	predicament	im out.
2022-11-11 21:57:59	predicament	fuck proton.
2022-11-11 21:57:59	◣	B1uebird (~B1uebird@103.100.150.2) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-11-11 21:58:26	predicament	and no afdko wasnt the only one, it kept going and it found a 404 somehwere
2022-11-11 21:58:39	predicament	error: can't build python-fontpens-0.2.4-3, deps not satisfied: python-fontparts
2022-11-11 21:58:39	predicament	error: can't build python-fontparts-0.10.8-1, deps not satisfied: python-fontpens
2022-11-11 21:58:39	predicament	error: packages failed to build: python-fontpens-0.2.4-3  python-fontparts-0.10.8-1
2022-11-11 21:58:43	gaku	stahp
2022-11-11 21:58:47	jelle	predicament: use a pastebin
2022-11-11 21:58:48	predicament	oops
2022-11-11 21:58:49	⚡ 	topcat001 options predicament loglevel=0
2022-11-11 21:58:57	⚡ 	teraflops shrugs at EMIYA
2022-11-11 21:59:10	predicament	dont worrry i wont be pasting anymore that one wasnt on purpose
2022-11-11 21:59:31	gaku	why are you trying to build proton again?
2022-11-11 21:59:39	jelle	welcome to the AUR
2022-11-11 21:59:41	predicament	i wanna play my games.
2022-11-11 21:59:47	gaku	on steam?
2022-11-11 21:59:50	predicament	or play two games
2022-11-11 21:59:52	gaku	does wine not work?
2022-11-11 21:59:54	predicament	ill isntall steam if it works
2022-11-11 21:59:56	teraflops	just grab a proton build and put it in the right location
2022-11-11 21:59:58	predicament	hang on man.
2022-11-11 22:00:12	teraflops	also stop polluting the buffer
2022-11-11 22:00:15	predicament	it says its installed already
2022-11-11 22:00:23	predicament	which might have been proton doing that
2022-11-11 22:00:28	predicament	so much crap installed
2022-11-11 22:00:28	gaku	like, i understand if this is specific, but this looks like a lot of suffering when there's saner solutions
2022-11-11 22:00:36	astralc	just install steam!!!!
2022-11-11 22:00:45	gaku	or wine
2022-11-11 22:00:46	predicament	It says it is insatlled!
2022-11-11 22:00:47	gaku	!aw wine
2022-11-11 22:00:49	@phrik	gaku: Wine - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wine
2022-11-11 22:00:51	predicament	steam
2022-11-11 22:00:53	predicament	it says insatlled
2022-11-11 22:01:02	predicament	steam-native-runtime also isntalled
2022-11-11 22:01:07	gaku	predicament: sir, are u high?
2022-11-11 22:01:10	astralc	so use steam, and enable "steam play"
2022-11-11 22:01:19	predicament	no im not high
2022-11-11 22:01:22	predicament	ugh
2022-11-11 22:01:24	gaku	then calm down dude
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2022-11-11 22:02:11	predicament	so basically shut up while you guys say what you want, well go ahead
2022-11-11 22:02:34	predicament	im exhausted.
2022-11-11 22:02:35	gaku	predicament: no, more like make a plan, set a goal of what you want, and calmly communicate
2022-11-11 22:02:43	predicament	well
2022-11-11 22:02:45	predicament	i want to game.
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2022-11-11 22:03:01	gaku	you don't need proton to game, idk from where you found the info telling you so
2022-11-11 22:03:05	predicament	that is my goal.  and the plan would be installing this and having it working
2022-11-11 22:03:16	predicament	no i dint say i did
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2022-11-11 22:03:20	predicament	ugh
2022-11-11 22:03:21	gaku	and if you do need proton, you don't have to specifically build it
2022-11-11 22:03:30	astralc	predicament: "steam play" in steam settings...
2022-11-11 22:03:32	predicament	alright
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2022-11-11 22:03:36	predicament	astralc, stop
2022-11-11 22:03:37	gaku	you can grab a build from valve, or yeet the game to steam
2022-11-11 22:03:46	predicament	already got that
2022-11-11 22:03:50	gaku	!bail
2022-11-11 22:03:50	@phrik	Looks like gaku is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-11-11 22:04:17	predicament	what else is new...
2022-11-11 22:04:37	predicament	i have had that option checked
2022-11-11 22:05:16	astralc	both options?
2022-11-11 22:05:31	predicament	steam play is all thatw as mentioned
2022-11-11 22:06:47	astralc	"for other titles"
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2022-11-12 13:12:54	aladdin	btw do you use bluetooth also?
2022-11-12 13:12:57	riv	no
2022-11-12 13:13:06	aladdin	ok
2022-11-12 13:13:17	riv	is there a way to check if my motherboard supports bluetooth?
2022-11-12 13:13:42	BrainDamage	not universally, but usually lsusb or lspci will show it
2022-11-12 13:13:51	aladdin	maybe, just maybe, JACK might be a saner and more stable option for you. But let's see with this first
2022-11-12 13:13:57	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-12 13:14:04	BrainDamage	jack is not a replacement for pipewire/pulse
2022-11-12 13:14:15	BrainDamage	and it's a nightmare on its own
2022-11-12 13:14:44	riv	How do you find out where to get hciutil?
2022-11-12 13:14:48	teraflops	pipewire-jack is enough for me
2022-11-12 13:14:53	riv	pkgfile hciutil just says bash-completion
2022-11-12 13:14:58	riv	I had to install jack along with firefox
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2022-11-12 13:15:33	BrainDamage	it's an ancient tool that was included in old versions of bluez-utils
2022-11-12 13:15:44	BrainDamage	why do you want it?
2022-11-12 13:16:04	aladdin	braindamage: fingers crossed man, idk how i got lucky with JACK working properly in my system. I use ardour sometimes, and jack just works
2022-11-12 13:16:22	BrainDamage	that's a single program, not a whole system using jack
2022-11-12 13:16:48	BrainDamage	jack is not intercompatible with alsa/pulse/pipewire, which means it's up to the program supporting both
2022-11-12 13:17:04	aladdin	i see
2022-11-12 13:17:04	BrainDamage	and often manually switching
2022-11-12 13:17:13	BrainDamage	so "it works for you" is a really bad metric
2022-11-12 13:17:34	BrainDamage	riv: again, arch installs the libs alongside the program, just installing jack doesn't magically make your system use it
2022-11-12 13:17:41	aladdin	yea I switch that manually during the connection of my MIDI kb
2022-11-12 13:17:55	aladdin	well duh
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2022-11-12 13:20:24	aladdin	braindamage: btw are we talking about JACK2 or the older version, in terms of interop
2022-11-12 13:20:54	BrainDamage	jack2 and jack1 are abi-compatible, so talking about one or the other is indifferent
2022-11-12 13:21:28	aladdin	got it
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2022-11-12 13:26:23	aladdin	braindamage: earlier you said that jack is not intercompatible with alsa but the man tells jack DO support alsa https://man.archlinux.org/man/jackd.1#OPTIONS
2022-11-12 13:26:25	phrik	Title: jackd(1) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
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2022-11-12 13:26:50	aladdin	like they literally mentioned backend options there
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2022-11-12 13:28:24	aladdin	alsa is not a package tbh, its a kernel API for sound system in linux
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2022-11-12 13:30:11	BrainDamage	aladdin: that's jack sending audio to alsa, not programs using the alsa userspace api to talk with jack
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2022-11-12 13:31:01	aladdin	understood
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2022-11-12 13:34:24	aladdin	like ardour supports jack, alsa and pulseaudio. That means they actually use alsa userspace api for maximum compatibility with audio devices without the need of any other library.
2022-11-12 13:34:58	aladdin	riv: you checked the audio yet?
2022-11-12 13:36:32	BrainDamage	no, you cannot use the alsa userspace api to talk with jack
2022-11-12 13:37:03	BrainDamage	ardour has alsa api and jack api implemented, and you can use one or the other
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2022-11-12 13:38:39	aladdin	why do they need jack for anyways, if they are actually using alsa? like more dependencies means more disaster
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2022-11-12 13:39:41	BrainDamage	arduour literally invented jack
2022-11-12 13:40:10	aladdin	seriously? i didn't know that
2022-11-12 13:40:36	Ennea	to quote wikipedia: "Its primary author is Paul Davis, who was also responsible for the JACK Audio Connection Kit."
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2022-11-12 13:41:01	BrainDamage	and jack, like the name implies, is a program to interconnect audio programs
2022-11-12 13:41:25	BrainDamage	while most audio apis is program -> hw, jack makes little distinction between program and hw
2022-11-12 13:41:41	BrainDamage	so you can route audio between programs easily without faking virtual hw cards
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2022-11-12 18:45:04	keyboard	glitsj16: thanks. That works for resolved, but I still get Temporary failure in name resolution
2022-11-12 18:45:35	keyboard	when using ping and ssh with <a hostname>.local
2022-11-12 18:45:52	keyboard	firewall is disabled, so thats not it.
2022-11-12 18:46:01	luca	Hi, I am having a bit of a problem with ports. I have connected my computer to another one through an ethernet cable and I am sharing my connection through NetworkManager. From the other computer when I run `nmap -p22 10.42.0.1` it tells me the port is open, but if I try to look for port 3632 (distcc port) it's telling me it's closed, even though locally it is open. I am using
2022-11-12 18:46:03	luca	`docker.io/ksmanis/gentoo-distcc` image through `podman` to run distcc. Anyone know why port 3632 might be closed from the outside?
2022-11-12 18:47:40	glitsj16	keyboard: i've never used systemd-resolved, how does your /etc/resolv.conf look like after making that mdns change?
2022-11-12 18:48:02	keyboard	its a symlink like recommended in the Arch wiki
2022-11-12 18:48:24	keyboard	resolv.conf -> ../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf
2022-11-12 18:48:32	glitsj16	keyboard: yeah, but what's its content?
2022-11-12 18:49:06	keyboard	nameserver 127.0.0.53 options edns0 trust-ad search .
2022-11-12 18:50:34	keyboard	and resolvectl reports, Protocols: +LLMNR +mDNS -DNSOverTLS DNSSEC=no/unsupported
2022-11-12 18:50:35	glitsj16	pretty standard stuff; is anything listening on 127.0.0.53?
2022-11-12 18:51:57	keyboard	not that I know of.. :) I basically just want to say `ssh user@hostname.local` instead of 192.168..bla bla :)
2022-11-12 18:53:47	keyboard	glitsj16: thanks for helping. 2 mins I am just gonna reboot.
2022-11-12 18:54:33	damjan	you do need mDNS on both sides of the network (or all sides, if you have more nodes on the LAN)
2022-11-12 18:55:49	keyboard	okay that did not work. hehe.
2022-11-12 18:56:17	damjan	18:54:33 <damjan> you do need mDNS on both sides of the network (or all sides, if you have more nodes on the LAN)
2022-11-12 18:56:20	damjan	keyboard: ^
2022-11-12 18:56:32	keyboard	so resolvectl status report +mDNS on Global but for Link3 (wlan0) its -mDNS
2022-11-12 18:57:01	damjan	keyboard: mDNS needs to be enabled globally and per-interface
2022-11-12 18:57:42	damjan	keyboard: what's your end goal though?
2022-11-12 18:57:43	keyboard	damjan: yeah, but would a proper configured working mDNS node report something else than Temporary failure in name resolution. No matter if the other node has mDNS working or not?
2022-11-12 18:58:19	keyboard	damjan: end goal is to be able to say `ssh <user>@<hostname>.local
2022-11-12 18:58:27	keyboard	and ping <hostname>.local
2022-11-12 18:58:35	damjan	have you looked at LLMNR? it's enabled by default
2022-11-12 18:59:37	damjan	in that case it's just <hostname> without .local
2022-11-12 19:00:35	keyboard	ah!! really? I am so used to say hostname.box or hostname.lan or hostname.local
2022-11-12 19:01:40	keyboard	so does LLMNR make hostname resolution possible by default with systemd-resolved ? I am confused :) I am just getting: failure in name resolution
2022-11-12 19:02:10	damjan	resolvectl should say +LLMNR
2022-11-12 19:02:20	keyboard	damjan: okay will try an enable mDNS on the wlan0 instance aswell
2022-11-12 19:02:21	damjan	and also on both sides
2022-11-12 19:02:34	keyboard	It does. on both sides
2022-11-12 19:02:48	keyboard	+LLMNR
2022-11-12 19:03:14	damjan	ps. to enable mdns when using NetworkManager, you need to configure [connection]\n connection.mdns=2
2022-11-12 19:03:16	keyboard	and on both nodes it says that on Global and Link 3 (wlan0)
2022-11-12 19:03:25	keyboard	damjan: I am using iw
2022-11-12 19:05:10	keyboard	okay. So when using systemd-networkd and sytemd-resolved with iw. How many places and where do I have to do something to get name resolution on my LAN here. I wonder I wonder. heh. Obviously something I am missing
2022-11-12 19:05:44	damjan	`iw`? that's just for controlling the wifi (l1/l2), has nothing to do with network configuration
2022-11-12 19:06:09	BrainDamage	all you should need is to put MulticastDNS=yes in the networkd's interface ile
2022-11-12 19:07:34	keyboard	exactly! thanks BrainDamage. That is what I thought I have tried to say :) And I have done that. Annnnd: I am getting failure in name resolution.
2022-11-12 19:08:17	BrainDamage	check that a firewall isn't blocking mdns
2022-11-12 19:08:54	keyboard	ah.. small detail BrainDamage, You say Interface file. I see I see.. I tried putting MulticastDNS=true in /etc/systemd/networkd.conf under [Network]
2022-11-12 19:09:12	BrainDamage	no, you need in the specific interface file
2022-11-12 19:09:54	keyboard	BrainDamage: my firewall is disabled right now. Just to debug why I simply cant get hostname resolution going here
2022-11-12 19:10:17	aladdin	i think the main mvp of this channel is BrainDamage and Scimmia
2022-11-12 19:11:08	keyboard	BrainDamage: okay will try that. you mean in my 25-wireless.network file. as an example
2022-11-12 19:11:16	keyboard	in /etc/systemd/network/*
2022-11-12 19:11:23	BrainDamage	yes
2022-11-12 19:15:58	DerpGusta	Is there a way to move the initramfs files from the efi partition? Basically, my efi is 100mb only (thanks windows). And there is no way for me to resize without reinstalling the entire thing. 
2022-11-12 19:16:23	Namarrgon	do you have a swap partition?
2022-11-12 19:17:10	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot#Installation_using_XBOOTLDR
2022-11-12 19:17:12	phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-12 19:17:50	Namarrgon	shrink he swap partition and move the ESP in that space or create a new partition and use it via XBOOTLDR
2022-11-12 19:18:01	Namarrgon	or if you use grub then you never needed to mount the ESP to /boot
2022-11-12 19:18:27	DerpGusta	I'm using grub
2022-11-12 19:18:27	Strykar	What changed that 'pacman -Qtd' now shows "lib32-openssl-1.0" as an orphaned package, which it is not?
2022-11-12 19:18:38	Namarrgon	then move the ESP somewhere other than /boot
2022-11-12 19:19:04	thrice	Strykar: oh?  https://archlinux.org/packages/multilib/x86_64/lib32-openssl-1.0/
2022-11-12 19:19:09	sheep	Strykar: are you sure tha something still requires it?
2022-11-12 19:20:33	Strykar	sheep: steam-native-runtime apparently 
2022-11-12 19:20:39	Strykar	thrice: yep, that one
2022-11-12 19:21:05	thrice	looks like it uses 1.1
2022-11-12 19:21:11	thrice	https://archlinux.org/packages/multilib/x86_64/steam-native-runtime/
2022-11-12 19:22:32	DerpGusta	Namarrgon: so, I just point my ESP to another path and then do mkinitcpio?
2022-11-12 19:22:57	Namarrgon	DerpGusta: mount the ESP somewhere else, reinstall the kernel and firmware packages, reinstall and reconfigure grub
2022-11-12 19:23:05	Strykar	gotcha, it's not -1.0 :(
2022-11-12 19:23:11	Namarrgon	and fix up the fstab afterwards
2022-11-12 19:23:26	thrice	no need to be sad, -Syu and enjoy your slightly less outdated openssl
2022-11-12 19:23:26	DerpGusta	Namarrgon: got it! Did me a solid thanks!
2022-11-12 19:23:40	Namarrgon	and clean up the kernel/initramfs/firmware images on the ESP that are no longer used
2022-11-12 19:23:46	DerpGusta	Yup 
2022-11-12 19:25:06	Edu4rdSHL	keyboard, > of a per-connection settings file 
2022-11-12 19:25:15	Edu4rdSHL	Not in networkd.conf
2022-11-12 19:26:06	Edu4rdSHL	And I never told you to reload anything, I said "restart"
2022-11-12 19:30:28	keyboard	Edu4rdSHL: sorry. I misread. And thanks for any help here really.Much appreciated
2022-11-12 19:31:30	keyboard	BrainDamage: I have now set the MulticastDNS=true in all of my interface configs in /etc/systemd/network/*
2022-11-12 19:31:45	keyboard	But resolvectl still reports -mDNS on my wlan0.
2022-11-12 19:31:58	keyboard	other links say +mDNS
2022-11-12 19:33:09	Edu4rdSHL	Post your .network file
2022-11-12 19:33:11	keyboard	and for sure my 25-wireless.network file holds MulticastDNS=true under [Network]
2022-11-12 19:33:42	keyboard	!paste
2022-11-12 19:33:43	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-11-12 19:34:36	keyboard	https://paste.rs/GKi
2022-11-12 19:36:03	Edu4rdSHL	Did you restarted both systemd-networkd and systemd-resolved after the change?
2022-11-12 19:36:32	Psi-Jack[m]	Heh, people are actually using systemd-networkd?
2022-11-12 19:36:35	Namarrgon	"networkctl reconfigure wlan0" should be enough
2022-11-12 19:36:37	damjan	also make sure some other .network file is not matching your wlan interface
2022-11-12 19:36:44	damjan	with Match=* or similar
2022-11-12 19:36:45	Namarrgon	Psi-Jack[m]: shut up if you have nothing to contribute
2022-11-12 19:36:57	Edu4rdSHL	:D
2022-11-12 19:37:26	keyboard	Edu4rdSHL: yep . both restartet
2022-11-12 19:38:15	jkc	Psi-Jack[m]: Yeah. Works great.
2022-11-12 19:38:35	keyboard	damjan: the other 20-wired.network is mathing on en*
2022-11-12 19:39:55	Edu4rdSHL	keyboard, post the output of `udevadm test-builtin net_setup_link /sys/class/net/wlan0`
2022-11-12 19:44:37	keyboard	Edu4rdSHL: https://paste.rs/qJB
2022-11-12 19:45:06	Edu4rdSHL	How's the RPI relevant here?
2022-11-12 19:45:49	keyboard	These are the two machines I am trying to hostname resolve" from-to"
2022-11-12 19:46:17	keyboard	as in: I am trying to say `ping myLaptop` on the rpi
2022-11-12 19:46:31	keyboard	and `ping theRpi` on my laptop
2022-11-12 19:46:50	Edu4rdSHL	The RPI doesn't run ArchLinux so it's discarded automatically
2022-11-12 19:46:53	keyboard	they are both using systemd-networkd (and resolved)
2022-11-12 19:47:06	keyboard	its running ALARM
2022-11-12 19:47:12	Edu4rdSHL	Yes, that is not ArchLinux
2022-11-12 19:47:16	keyboard	I am def using pacman on it :)
2022-11-12 19:47:22	keyboard	Edu4rdSHL: I see
2022-11-12 19:47:23	keyboard	okay
2022-11-12 19:47:24	Edu4rdSHL	Is the laptop running ArchLinux?
2022-11-12 19:47:28	keyboard	yes
2022-11-12 19:48:00	Edu4rdSHL	Your previous reports, config files, etc have been from your RPI or from your laptop?
2022-11-12 19:48:10	keyboard	everything is from the laptop
2022-11-12 19:48:20	keyboard	*sorry for the latest confusion :)
2022-11-12 19:50:26	Edu4rdSHL	keyboard, what's the output of `systemd-analyze cat-config systemd/resolved.conf`
2022-11-12 19:53:43	keyboard	Edu4rdSHL, https://paste.rs/Syk
2022-11-12 19:55:44	Edu4rdSHL	Eeeh, finally, `cat /etc/systemd/network/*.network`
2022-11-12 19:58:42	octopus	is there any way to know if my hdd has cache other than hddpram?
2022-11-12 19:59:05	keyboard	Edu4rdSHL: https://paste.rs/XzO
2022-11-12 19:59:49	Psi-Jack[m]	octopus: It's pretty much almost guaranteed, yes it does.
2022-11-12 20:02:02	Edu4rdSHL	keyboard, `resolvectl status`
2022-11-12 20:02:56	keyboard	Edu4rdSHL: https://paste.rs/Mu2
2022-11-12 20:03:51	keyboard	-mDNS :(
2022-11-12 20:05:34	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-12 20:06:14	Edu4rdSHL	Try the following:
2022-11-12 20:06:29	Edu4rdSHL	systemctl log-level debug
2022-11-12 20:06:45	keyboard	Edu4rdSHL: could iwd create a problem thru the: https://paste.rs/X8h ?
2022-11-12 20:06:57	Edu4rdSHL	systemctl daemon-reload
2022-11-12 20:07:08	Edu4rdSHL	systemctl restart systemd-resolved systemd-networkd
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2022-11-12 20:07:28	Edu4rdSHL	And post the `journalctl -rn 500` output after that
2022-11-12 20:07:30	DerpGusta	Namarrgon: hey again. Tried grub-install and then grub-mkconfig. Looks like os-prober not detecting my windows. 
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2022-11-12 20:07:33	damjan	paste networkctl status too
2022-11-12 20:07:46	damjan	keyboard: ^
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2022-11-12 20:13:05	octopus	Psi-Jack[m]: hmmm...but I would be glad to know the size
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2022-11-12 20:13:34	octopus	why the cache size is not written on the back of the disk
2022-11-12 20:13:58	Psi-Jack[m]	look it up from the part number.
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2022-11-12 20:15:02	octopus	I did
2022-11-12 20:15:07	octopus	it says 128 MB
2022-11-12 20:15:20	octopus	but why won't it report it in hdd param
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2022-11-12 20:15:43	keyboard	Edu4rdSHL: https://paste.oddodd.org/
2022-11-12 20:15:44	phrik	Title: paste (at paste.oddodd.org)
2022-11-12 20:16:03	keyboard	see the latest paste "journal -rn 500"
2022-11-12 20:17:04	keyboard	damjan: https://paste.rs/DXc
2022-11-12 20:17:42	keyboard	these two were after: systemctl log-level debug; systemctl daemon-reload; systemctl restart systemd-resolved systemd-networkd 
2022-11-12 20:18:41	damjan	how about just `networkctl`?
2022-11-12 20:19:19	keyboard	damjan: https://paste.rs/C0Z
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2022-11-12 20:19:28	Namarrgon	DerpGusta: does windows still boot when selected from the firmware's bootmenu?
2022-11-12 20:19:48	DerpGusta	Namarrgon: yes. 
2022-11-12 20:20:07	Namarrgon	DerpGusta: get rid of os-prober and add a manual entry 
2022-11-12 20:20:13	damjan	keyboard: so. networkd is not managing your wlan0
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2022-11-12 20:20:28	damjan	  3 wlan0 wlan     routable    unmanaged
2022-11-12 20:20:34	damjan	something else is
2022-11-12 20:20:37	Lord_Vlad	Wow... I just read a few passages of the two last hours of discussion... I'm so not worthy. I get maybe a quarter of the things you say and I've been using Arch for years.
2022-11-12 20:20:37	Namarrgon	DerpGusta: nothing ever changes about the windows loader and you won't have to put any maintenance work into that config snippet
2022-11-12 20:20:44	DerpGusta	That's what I thought as well haha. 
2022-11-12 20:20:58	keyboard	damjan: iwd, maybe. :)
2022-11-12 20:21:20	damjan	well
2022-11-12 20:21:29	Lord_Vlad	Namarrgon, lol though
2022-11-12 20:21:38	aladdin	lord_vlad: lol ask me man
2022-11-12 20:22:05	Namarrgon	DerpGusta: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Windows_installed_in_UEFI/GPT_mode
2022-11-12 20:22:07	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-11-12 20:23:09	DerpGusta	Thanks for the link. Already on it!
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2022-11-12 20:24:44	damjan	keyboard: if you want network configuration to manage your wlan0, then you have to manage wlan0 with networkd, not iwd
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2022-11-12 20:26:07	Lord_Vlad	Naaaah, it's not like I need to know any of these things, I mostly use static computers, no wifi needed. It's probably also why I don't know any of this. But thank you :)
2022-11-12 20:26:15	ℹ 	vitali64 es conocido ahora como f_
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2022-11-12 20:26:36	teraflops	Lord_Vlad: what's a static computer? ;)
2022-11-12 20:27:28	teraflops	ah static ip address?
2022-11-12 20:27:43	BrainDamage	no, one that's not moved often
2022-11-12 20:27:46	BrainDamage	like a desktop
2022-11-12 20:27:56	teraflops	ah makes sense
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2022-11-12 20:31:32	Lord_Vlad	teraflops, Oh, right, I use that word because some of them are actually very broken laptops, they arent exactly desktops, but you can't move them at all either. Nothing too weird.
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2022-11-12 20:37:04	keyboard	damjan: okay! I thought iwd used systemd-resolved by default. But I guees it overthrows networkd on the device level? hmm. Im in deep. learning a lot here. So how are You people in here that use systemd-networkd and resolved doing it? you dont use IWD?
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2022-11-12 20:37:20	Edu4rdSHL	I use iwd
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2022-11-12 20:37:43	keyboard	okay. and what does networkctl post in your end?
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2022-11-12 20:37:51	keyboard	setup unmanaged?
2022-11-12 20:37:57	Edu4rdSHL	routable    configured
2022-11-12 20:38:07	keyboard	what a fantastic life that must be
2022-11-12 20:38:12	Edu4rdSHL	Did you changed something on iwd side?
2022-11-12 20:38:41	keyboard	No I dont think so. atleast.
2022-11-12 20:38:54	Edu4rdSHL	check your /etc/iwd/iwd.conf
2022-11-12 20:38:56	keyboard	I am just keeping my /etc/iwd/* empty
2022-11-12 20:39:00	keyboard	aha! 
2022-11-12 20:39:01	keyboard	okay
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2022-11-12 20:39:14	Edu4rdSHL	check your /etc/iwd/main.conf *
2022-11-12 20:39:15	Edu4rdSHL	Aaah
2022-11-12 20:39:16	keyboard	I thought it should be empty to just speak systemd-* 
2022-11-12 20:39:28	keyboard	what does your main.conf say?
2022-11-12 20:41:41	Edu4rdSHL	A setting unrelated to dns management, UseDefaultInterface
2022-11-12 20:41:57	Edu4rdSHL	Do you have any other network manager? Like, NetworkManager?
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2022-11-12 20:43:55	keyboard	Edu4rdSHL: nope
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2022-11-12 20:45:03	Edu4rdSHL	Also, restarting networkd and resolved doesn't show up wlan0 in the logs, so there's something else definitely
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2022-11-12 20:46:49	Koragg	is it alright to ask questions about migrating arch to another init system? I understand it is not supported, but has anyone attempted to follow the guide for openrc lately? 
2022-11-12 20:46:51	Koragg	my only gripe is that it has no network and I do not know where/how to get a networkmanager service unit for openrc (while it did work just fine under systemd), did I mess up by missing a networkmanager package for openrc? (it is in a vm, so no harm done to my actual setup)
2022-11-12 20:47:20	Edu4rdSHL	Just use systemd
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2022-11-12 20:47:52	teraflops	I'd rather use a distro that supports openrc
2022-11-12 20:47:53	Edu4rdSHL	Or you're on your own, as stated in the wiki, other init systems are not supported here
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2022-11-12 20:48:15	Edu4rdSHL	Or, as teraflops said. There was one arch-based, didn't remember the name rn
2022-11-12 20:48:45	Koragg	it is merely an educational exercise. I was considering using artix's flavor of openrc instead, but first wanted to do it the hard way, porting arch to openrc if possible
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2022-11-12 20:52:48	keyboard	Edu4rdSHL: okay thats interesting. I dont have any recollection using anything other than systemd-netword and iwd on this machine here. And it was nuked and "re-build" last summer with crypt and btrfs. Hmmm will try and see if I can find the hellish thing that manages my wlan0
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2022-11-12 20:54:22	Koragg	I also ran into a minor "issue" on my actual arch (that uses systemd naturally): when using a standalone window manager I use the notification-daemon package for lib-notify notifs. the notifications always show up in the top right of the screen. how would I customize notification-daemon to display them on the bottom right instead?
2022-11-12 20:54:53	Edu4rdSHL	Koragg, up to your VM
2022-11-12 20:54:59	Edu4rdSHL	WM *
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2022-11-12 20:55:44	Koragg	ah, specifically I use it with openbox and dwm, could you point me to documentation where/how I could alter it in those two? or at least either of them?
2022-11-12 20:55:53	Koragg	or like what to search for in combination with those?
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2022-11-12 21:01:08	teraflops	Koragg: which notification daemon are you using, IIRC notification-daemon needs an actual notification daemon running
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2022-11-12 21:02:05	Koragg	I use this one, it happens to be called that: https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/notification-daemon/
2022-11-12 21:02:06	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - notification-daemon 3.20.0-4 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-11-12 21:02:35	Koragg	I call it as: /usr/lib/notification-daemon-1.0/notification-daemon &
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2022-11-12 21:04:31	teraflops	oh notification-daemon is already a notification daemon ;)
2022-11-12 21:05:07	teraflops	tried any other alternative that is much more configurable?
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2022-11-12 21:08:05	teraflops	or at least better documented the gitlab repo is archived and the gnome page where arch points to does not exist 
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2022-11-12 21:14:30	Foxboron	Do we have any people that know pipwire well? I'm trying to make a filter chain between to plugins but very confused by the links/output/input section fo the config. How do I figure out the port-names?
2022-11-12 21:15:33	keyboard	Edu4rdSHL, hahaha. jeeez. So what I did was I rebooted with a symlink in my /etc/systemd/network and this rendered my wilan0 opearation **DEGRADED** :) then I removed the symlink and cp'ed correct files back. restarted iwd. failure.. poweroff system. login. And now tadaaa: networkctl -->   3 wlan0 wlan     routable    configured
2022-11-12 21:15:38	keyboard	I dont know what to say..
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2022-11-12 21:16:17	Edu4rdSHL	Eeeh
2022-11-12 21:16:58	keyboard	and behold ! now ssh username@hostname.local to my rpi eunning ALARM
2022-11-12 21:17:00	keyboard	works
2022-11-12 21:17:17	keyboard	*running
2022-11-12 21:17:24	keyboard	Ehhhh indeed. 
2022-11-12 21:17:57	keyboard	Thanks Edu4rdSHL, BrainDamage, damjan, and everyone else that helped me and replied to my wifi *nonsence*
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2022-11-12 21:21:11	keyboard	Foxboron: you are using pw-link ?
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2022-11-12 21:22:17	Foxboron	keyboard: Yes. but this seems to be internal port names to lv2
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2022-11-12 21:24:20	keyboard	Foxboron: I think last time i wrote a Japa plugin handler for SuperCollider when using pipewire I was using `pw-mon | rg` to find my port names
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2022-11-12 21:26:14	keyboard	or jq I guss
2022-11-12 21:26:53	keyboard	looking for properties and port.alias
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2022-11-12 21:27:22	Foxboron	I think I actually figured it out
2022-11-12 21:27:34	keyboard	Okay! cool. What you do?
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2022-11-12 21:31:19	Foxboron	uhhh, pipewire is crashing on me
2022-11-12 21:31:22	⚡ 	Foxboron thinks
2022-11-12 21:32:00	Foxboron	Nov 12 21:31:41 framework systemd-coredump[2541724]: [🡕] Process 2541709 (pipewire) of user 1000 dumped core.
2022-11-12 21:32:06	Foxboron	!thinking
2022-11-12 21:32:07	phrik	Foxboron: Is that a question?
2022-11-12 21:32:09	Foxboron	!think
2022-11-12 21:32:10	phrik	Foxboron: Is that a question?
2022-11-12 21:32:14	⚡ 	Foxboron slaps phrik 
2022-11-12 21:32:25	keyboard	hahaha, lovely
2022-11-12 21:37:05	Foxboron	https://paste.xinu.at/W2L7X9euBPCcgSdG9GE/ is the solution. With the ids lifted from the lv2 plugin definition
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2022-11-12 21:41:29	keyboard	ah no /descibe cmd :(
2022-11-12 21:41:48	keyboard	Foxboron rnnoises everything now
2022-11-12 21:42:19	⚡ 	keyboard celebrates
2022-11-12 21:42:21	Foxboron	A bit annoying I don't know how to add master_me, but rnnoise is good enough anyway
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2022-11-12 21:49:44	Koragg	teraflops: apologies for the late response, I tried the notify-osd one, but as it does not respect the --expire-timeout value of notify-send I switched to notification-daemon, but it seems to lack the ability to place the "bubbles"/notifs in another location on the screen
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2022-11-12 21:52:28	poxifide	im trying to install arch and apparently grub hates fat32, is there a way to just format /boot (it is its own partition) and restore what is on jt without having to redo the rest of what i had setup? like can i just reinstall some packages to fix it
2022-11-12 21:53:03	poxifide	idk what to format it as either im using legacy boot
2022-11-12 21:55:36	teraflops	Koragg: iirc dunst has a _geometry_ option to set bubble location
2022-11-12 21:56:13	Koragg	ah then I should try that one out perhaps, I do have it installed at least
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2022-11-12 22:44:00	poxifide	ah. i found my mishap. i tried to grub-install to a partition not the actual disk
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2022-11-14 11:47:49	jenia2	where is the list of essential apps I need to install before restarting, anyone remembers?
2022-11-14 11:48:10	grawity	installing a kernel is a good idea
2022-11-14 11:48:39	jenia2	I just did no? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/installation_guide I got to 3.8
2022-11-14 11:48:40	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-14 11:48:40	grawity	wifi stuff (iwd or wpa_supplicant at minimum) if you don't have ethernet
2022-11-14 11:48:58	grawity	other than that ... as long as you have network, everything else can be installed somehow
2022-11-14 11:49:17	grawity	or really as long as you have a USB stick, everything else can be installed even without a network
2022-11-14 11:50:03	jenia2	wpa_supplicant is the best suggestion really. forgot about that. I'm running it right now lol
2022-11-14 11:50:44	jenia2	so ok. I installed vim, wpa_supplicant, kernel, systemd0-boot
2022-11-14 11:50:56	jenia2	so when I restart, what is the interface that'll ask me to either choose windows or linux?
2022-11-14 11:51:03	jenia2	I need to install something for that too no?
2022-11-14 11:51:32	grawity	that's the boot manager, i.e. systemd-boot
2022-11-14 11:51:38	jenia2	oh ok.
2022-11-14 11:51:48	jenia2	restarting, firgers crossed:)  :):)
2022-11-14 11:51:52	grawity	though your firmware has its own menu to choose between windows and systemd-boot, anyway
2022-11-14 11:54:32	jenia2	I don't think I installed systemd-boot correctly
2022-11-14 11:54:53	jenia2	I only have the options to boot into "Windows 11 or Reboot into firmware interface"
2022-11-14 11:54:55	jenia2	:(
2022-11-14 11:55:43	grawity	skipped the part where you're supposed to create loader/entries/arch.conf
2022-11-14 11:56:11	jenia2	umm damn
2022-11-14 11:56:24	jenia2	ok I also skipped https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Microcode
2022-11-14 11:56:26	phrik	Title: Microcode - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-14 11:57:39	jenia2	so I can simply boot into the USB, mount all the parition and chroot again?
2022-11-14 11:58:35	grawity	yes
2022-11-14 12:00:02	jenia2	so to create the loader I simply do "systemd-boot archlinux linux"?
2022-11-14 12:00:53	grawity	...no, where did you get that from
2022-11-14 12:01:05	jenia2	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/systemd-boot#Adding_loaders
2022-11-14 12:01:06	phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-14 12:01:14	jenia2	"The possible options are"...
2022-11-14 12:02:10	grawity	there's a full example below those
2022-11-14 12:03:40	jenia2	ohh I see. it's just a text file I need to edit
2022-11-14 12:08:18	jenia2	does the loader file uses tab or space between the keys and the values?
2022-11-14 12:08:45	grawity	either works
2022-11-14 12:10:09	jenia2	and the label here "options root="LABEL=arch_os" rw" is the UUID of the disk I imagine?
2022-11-14 12:10:36	jenia2	I think I have secure boot, I don't think I need labels
2022-11-14 12:10:46	grawity	yeah, replace it with UUID= like in fstab
2022-11-14 12:10:47	jenia2	I mean, options
2022-11-14 12:10:55	jenia2	ok. danke/1
2022-11-14 12:10:59	jenia2	!
2022-11-14 12:11:01	grawity	for that matter you can remove the / entry from fstab 
2022-11-14 12:11:16	grawity	you *do* need the root= and rw options at minimum, secureboot doesn't really change that
2022-11-14 12:12:42	txtsd	grawity: That var is now deprecated in favor of `GDK_DEBUG=portals`, but thanks! That's an easy way of testing what I need.
2022-11-14 12:12:57	grawity	yeah it's never meant to be a "daily" thing
2022-11-14 12:19:03	grawity	fwiw, you can access the same EFI partition from Windows using `mountvol /s`
2022-11-14 12:19:12	grawity	and create loader/*.conf that way if needed
2022-11-14 12:45:48	damjan	if nginx Provides : nginx, should then nginx-mainline-src provide nginx-src too?
2022-11-14 12:48:47	BrainDamage	what? no, nginx does not provides nginx
2022-11-14 12:53:43	chown	Hello arch linux chads
2022-11-14 12:53:48	chown	Once again I am seeking your assistance
2022-11-14 12:56:01	thrice	!ask
2022-11-14 12:56:01	phrik	Don't ask to ask, if anyone is here or alive, or uses something. Just ask, and we'll get moving along. Thanks.
2022-11-14 12:56:08	damjan	nginx-mainline *
2022-11-14 12:56:11	damjan	mistyped
2022-11-14 12:56:17	chown	When I try and update my AUR I keep getting this warning "Replace ttf-nerd-fonts-symbols with community/ttf-nerd-fonts-symbols-2048-em?"
2022-11-14 12:56:30	chown	but when I tell it to replace them it tells me there's a dependancy confliction
2022-11-14 12:56:33	chown	What do
2022-11-14 12:56:48	astralc	what is the conflic?
2022-11-14 12:57:01	astralc	t
2022-11-14 12:57:05	chown	error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
2022-11-14 12:57:08	chown	:: removing ttf-nerd-fonts-symbols breaks dependency 'ttf-nerd-fonts-symbols' required by all-repository-fonts
2022-11-14 12:57:10	chown	 -> error installing repo packages
2022-11-14 12:57:12	chown	Y
2022-11-14 12:57:14	chown	y
2022-11-14 12:57:15	chown	I can choose not to but that also gives me problems
2022-11-14 12:57:28	grawity	two issues
2022-11-14 12:57:43	astralc	all-repository-fonts should be updated
2022-11-14 12:57:49	grawity	1) you're using aur/all-repository-fonts, which – aside from looking like a bad idea – hasn't updated its dependency list
2022-11-14 12:57:56	grawity	2) the packager of ttf-nerd-fonts-symbols-2048-em didn't bother to add provides= for the packages it's replacing
2022-11-14 12:58:22	chown	So I am boned? :v
2022-11-14 12:58:35	astralc	remove all-repository-fonts?
2022-11-14 12:58:44	chown	wont that break things?
2022-11-14 12:58:56	chown	What can I replace it with?
2022-11-14 12:58:56	astralc	and change the fonts you use explicit
2022-11-14 12:58:57	thrice	what on earth is that package
2022-11-14 12:59:03	astralc	nothing?
2022-11-14 12:59:17	astralc	you don't need to replace it
2022-11-14 12:59:18	chown	astralc: How do I change the fonts I use?
2022-11-14 12:59:24	astralc	just install the fonts?
2022-11-14 12:59:33	astralc	like, as package, from the repo?
2022-11-14 12:59:44	chown	wut
2022-11-14 13:00:01	chown	Wait the all-repository-fonts package?
2022-11-14 13:00:22	grawity	like, if you want ttf-nerd-fonts, you can actually pacman -S ttf-nerd-fonts, and so on
2022-11-14 13:00:25	astralc	you don't need it, it is meta package that pull other fonts
2022-11-14 13:00:30	chown	ahhh pl
2022-11-14 13:00:33	chown	ok*
2022-11-14 13:00:52	grawity	you don't need a metapackage that installs All Possible Fonts, Ever
2022-11-14 13:00:52	chown	I think I installed it way back when I set up arch to fix simple terminal
2022-11-14 13:01:30	chown	noted
2022-11-14 13:01:38	chown	Yeah that fixed it, thanks for the help
2022-11-14 13:48:07	xx	how does archlinux determine the default limit for nproc (prlimit -u) if nothing is set in /etc/security/limits.conf or /etc/security/limits.d/
2022-11-14 13:48:37	xx	(and nothing is set in any shell rc files)
2022-11-14 13:48:46	grawity	pid1 (/etc/systemd/system.conf)
2022-11-14 13:50:11	xx	grawity: all commented out
2022-11-14 13:51:01	grawity	kernel defaults then
2022-11-14 13:51:09	grawity	hmm
2022-11-14 13:51:15	xx	grawity: different on every machine though
2022-11-14 13:51:55	grawity	                /* The kernel scales the default for RLIMIT_NPROC and RLIMIT_SIGPENDING based on the system's amount of
2022-11-14 13:51:56	grawity	                 * RAM. To provide best compatibility we'll read these limits off PID 1 instead of hardcoding them
2022-11-14 13:52:30	xx	where's that comment from?
2022-11-14 13:53:00	grawity	systemd-nspawn code where it initializes "default-looking" limits for containers
2022-11-14 13:53:24	grawity	grep kernel/fork.c for set_max_threads though
2022-11-14 13:54:39	grawity	https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/kernel/fork.c#n851
2022-11-14 13:54:40	phrik	Title: fork.c « kernel - kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree (at git.kernel.org)
2022-11-14 13:54:48	grawity	https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/kernel/fork.c#n917
2022-11-14 13:54:49	phrik	Title: fork.c « kernel - kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree (at git.kernel.org)
2022-11-14 13:55:44	xx	that might be it then
2022-11-14 13:56:08	xx	so it's not doing it based on any observed usage on the system, it just guesses a limit based on RAM
2022-11-14 13:56:23	xx	thanks
2022-11-14 13:57:38	grawity	don't forget systemd also sets a cgroup-based TasksMax= which is based on a percentage of kernel.pid_max
2022-11-14 13:59:10	xx	yeah but the systemd stuff only affects system services, not my user stuff where I accidentally keep forkbombing myself
2022-11-14 13:59:33	xx	(which is why /etc/security/limits.conf has no effect on systemd services)
2022-11-14 14:01:01	grawity	well, no, it does set TasksMax on user-[UID].slice as well
2022-11-14 14:03:26	grawity	(also I'm on GNOME, using gnome-terminal, and libvte terminals spawn a .slice per terminal *tab* – each of which has its own TasksMax)
2022-11-14 14:03:54	grawity	I actually tried running a forkbomb in one terminal and 'systemctl --user stop'ing it from another
2022-11-14 14:09:25	Murray7501	do anyone know how to get a working pyrocore install for rtorrent ?
2022-11-14 14:21:38	xx	grawity: sadly it looks like I'll need to do some testing to find a reasonable number for the limit
2022-11-14 14:23:33	grawity	if it's a per-UID limit, no matter what limit you select it'll still overwhelm your normal session stuff
2022-11-14 14:32:06	xx	right, I guess that's still not fixing my problem then
2022-11-14 14:32:30	grawity	you can `systemd-run` your thing in a separate cgroup with its own -pTasksMax=
2022-11-14 14:32:44	grawity	or switch to a good terminal >_>
2022-11-14 14:33:10	post-factum	is there a vnc server for kde wayland?
2022-11-14 14:33:30	grawity	I think it's supposed to integrate an RDP server instead
2022-11-14 14:33:37	grawity	a lot like gnome-shell does
2022-11-14 14:35:22	post-factum	via krfb?
2022-11-14 14:36:50	grawity	no idea
2022-11-14 14:37:20	susi	chown: how much space did the all-fonts take, btw?
2022-11-14 14:42:02	grawity	post-factum: looks like krfb is supposed to do VNC on Wayland though
2022-11-14 14:48:06	post-factum	ok i'll check it then
2022-11-14 14:53:19	Edu4rdSHL	Does anyone know why https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/?h=binfmt-qemu-static was removed from AUR? I couldn't find a package that provided the same https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/qemu-static.conf?h=binfmt-qemu-static
2022-11-14 14:53:26	phrik	Title: qemu-static.conf - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-11-14 14:53:54	Edu4rdSHL	There were recent changes in qemu packages moved from AUR to repos, and this one got removed in the same time but I couldn't find its equivalent 
2022-11-14 14:54:11	Namarrgon	pacman -Ss binfmt
2022-11-14 14:54:26	BrainDamage	qemu-user and qemu-user-static provide their own binfmt
2022-11-14 14:55:20	BrainDamage	disregard what I said, got confused
2022-11-14 14:55:30	Edu4rdSHL	I do not see them providing any .conf file, I have checked before
2022-11-14 14:55:35	BrainDamage	it was in the same package for a while, then got split
2022-11-14 14:55:50	Edu4rdSHL	Namarrgon, I already searched that but I do not see any package providing that config 
2022-11-14 14:56:07	BrainDamage	search better?
2022-11-14 14:56:15	Edu4rdSHL	Ah, seems that it's qemu-user-static-binfmt
2022-11-14 14:56:52	Edu4rdSHL	Why I don't saw that package before lol
2022-11-14 14:56:54	Edu4rdSHL	Thanks
2022-11-14 15:00:40	xalares	Hi everybody ! I'm having a issue with quadrapassel, I think it appeared with yesterday's updates, quadrapassel throw seg fault error when launched, anybody has its issue ?
2022-11-14 15:02:06	Edu4rdSHL	Is your system full up to date? It's working fine here
2022-11-14 15:04:43	xalares	Edu4rdSHL: Yeah it's supposed to. Maybe I need a restart tdk I'll see, I'm building ceph libs now and it's taking ages. 
2022-11-14 15:59:23	quantum_	pamac can't find x2goserver.
2022-11-14 16:01:20	CubeTheThird	looks to be on the AUR
2022-11-14 16:01:30	brjl	So... I'll redo my question from two days ago becaus I was drunk: I'm going to install an M2 drive and I want to move my LVM root volume to it. What is the way to make this not/the least painful?
2022-11-14 16:02:10	brjl	Add PV to VG, pvmove, reinstall grub on said drive and mkinitcpio -P?
2022-11-14 16:02:21	quantum_	CubeTheThird: Indeed it is in AUR...  but pamac can't find it.
2022-11-14 16:02:35	Namarrgon	is this arch or manjaro?
2022-11-14 16:02:42	quantum_	Manjaro
2022-11-14 16:02:52	Namarrgon	then go to #manjaro
2022-11-14 16:03:03	quantum_	They're baffled.
2022-11-14 16:03:25	Namarrgon	you should know better by now not to bother us with manjaro problems
2022-11-14 16:03:27	brjl	And so are we seeing you talk about pamac here.
2022-11-14 16:03:50	Foxboron	quantum_: Manjaro syncs the package list form the AUR. It's simply not our problem
2022-11-14 16:03:52	CubeTheThird	brjl, if it's LVM you shouldn't have to do much. iirc it's just a matter of adding the PV and moving it inside the VG. YOu shouldn't have to touch grub with LVM
2022-11-14 16:04:22	Foxboron	quantum_: or better explained; Manjaro hosts the package list on their own infrastructure. We can't help you
2022-11-14 16:04:34	brjl	CubeTheThird: I'm moving the entire root volume and then removing the SATA one.
2022-11-14 16:04:56	CubeTheThird	brjl, right, but the VG will be the same
2022-11-14 16:05:03	Namarrgon	moving the PVs works, even "live"
2022-11-14 16:05:08	quantum_	I see Foxboron.  The rest of you, now I remember what an unfriendly place this is.
2022-11-14 16:05:24	Namarrgon	or rather, moving the PEs to the new PVs
2022-11-14 16:05:35	jkc	quantum_: The channel's rules are pretty clear about other distros being off-topic.
2022-11-14 16:05:47	jkc	Ask in Debian about Ubuntu, etc., you'll get the same response.
2022-11-14 16:05:52	quantum_	IRC is not the place to take out your life's frustrations on innocent citizens.
2022-11-14 16:06:19	Foxboron	I really hate people like that
2022-11-14 16:06:24	CubeTheThird	well that made my day
2022-11-14 16:06:37	brjl	heh. That was surprisingly amusing
2022-11-14 16:07:12	brjl	I'll still have to reinstall GRUB on the new M2 drive though.
2022-11-14 16:07:13	CubeTheThird	brjl, but ya, the volume group is pretty much treated as a virtual drive. The boot loader shouldn't care where the physical data exists
2022-11-14 16:07:24	brjl	Or else it'll have nowhere to boot from.
2022-11-14 16:07:31	CubeTheThird	oh ya, but boot loader itself should move
2022-11-14 16:07:46	brjl	Hmmm I see your point
2022-11-14 16:07:59	CubeTheThird	you might get away with copying the /boot partition over, and doing an update
2022-11-14 16:08:03	brjl	And I raise you GPT-on-BIOS
2022-11-14 16:08:11	CubeTheThird	been a while since I've touched grub though, so might not be completely right about that
2022-11-14 16:08:28	jkc	BIOS on GPT is trivial as long as you create the necessary BIOS bootloader partition at the front.
2022-11-14 16:08:43	brjl	jkc: Yes. My point exactly.
2022-11-14 16:09:43	brjl	So long as I create the bootloader partition, it shouldn't bother with physical drives.
2022-11-14 16:10:24	brjl	Now just to make sure I have an up-to-date arch ISO in case things go south
2022-11-14 16:25:52	vvn	Is there a way to map the tun* interface used by a given openvpn@.service instance?
2022-11-14 16:50:01	thrice	"Innocent Citizens" :D
2022-11-14 16:51:46	brjl	"/dev/sda2: Moved: 4.18%"
2022-11-14 16:52:10	brjl	Now I remember why I love this community. Precisely the AW
2022-11-14 16:52:21	rounak	AUR  :)
2022-11-14 16:52:40	brjl	Sure. But I was refering specifically to the wiki
2022-11-14 16:53:07	brjl	Imma' make some articles there on making native games form steam work on linux.
2022-11-14 16:53:33	brjl	I remember people having problem and just using proton. Can't remember who now
2022-11-14 16:53:52	rounak	I already edited the libvirt wiki and made it better :)
2022-11-14 17:04:53	brjl	Right. So I moved the volume to the M2 drive, and removed the sATA drive from the VG. -Already installed GRUB on the boot partition for BIOS/GPT.
2022-11-14 17:05:07	brjl	I don't think I'm missing anything, am I?
2022-11-14 17:05:22	brjl	I don't think I should need to mkinitcpio...
2022-11-14 17:12:39	segurb	hello, I just created a new systemdcontainer, and its asking me to login, but I never set credentials?
2022-11-14 17:13:48	brjl	There. It worked. Thanks a lot everyone.
2022-11-14 17:13:56	brjl	Now to extend the volume to the rest of the drive
2022-11-14 17:24:15	Edu4rdSHL	segurb, machinectl shell $containername
2022-11-14 17:24:25	Edu4rdSHL	It's normal to ask for credentials, always does
2022-11-14 17:27:38	segurb	usually I had 4 containers with just root no password
2022-11-14 17:28:40	segurb	oh that worked
2022-11-14 17:28:42	segurb	but what is that
2022-11-14 17:28:52	rossome	is gnome-calculator 43.0.1-1 not working for anyone else?
2022-11-14 17:30:32	CubeTheThird	works for me~
2022-11-14 17:35:56	rossome	it opens, but it's unresponsive
2022-11-14 17:37:17	mtn	works fine for me, too
2022-11-14 17:37:30	Edu4rdSHL	segurb, ArchLinux explicity forbid root login without password
2022-11-14 17:38:47	Edu4rdSHL	See the systemd-nspawn page on the archwiki
2022-11-14 17:39:23	segurb	works for me on old containers :D
2022-11-14 17:40:40	Edu4rdSHL	See the systemd-nspawn page on the archwiki x2
2022-11-14 17:41:17	CubeTheThird	rossome, Wayland? Have you checked logs?
2022-11-14 17:43:10	rossome	x11
2022-11-14 17:45:10	rossome	journalctl for logs?
2022-11-14 17:45:40	CubeTheThird	yee
2022-11-14 17:48:50	txtsd	Is update-desktop-database only supposed to be run as root?
2022-11-14 17:49:13	rossome	after mashing number keys it finally decided to respond, got this message "Trying to snapshot GtkGizmo 0x555555a38f40 without a current allocation"
2022-11-14 17:49:43	mingdao	I am running Awesome WM, and do not know how to pick one of these options for this pkg?  https://0x0.st/oIrM.txt
2022-11-14 17:50:19	txtsd	Asking because there used to be a mimeinfo.cache in my $XDG_DATA_HOME/applications/ but that directory is deprecated.
2022-11-14 17:51:25	Namarrgon	mingdao: the lxqt or wlr backends probably have the least amount of dependencies. if it later turns out that you picked the wrong one then you can still switch.
2022-11-14 17:51:50	mingdao	Namarrgon: Thanks.  I had no idea about these providers.
2022-11-14 17:51:59	WolfCool	gg
2022-11-14 17:52:15	Namarrgon	i don't think it matters much on xorg anyway
2022-11-14 18:33:18	GuiToris	hey, it says : Both ytfzf(1) and ytfzf(5) are written in html
2022-11-14 18:33:24	GuiToris	how can I open them in the browser?
2022-11-14 18:33:30	GuiToris	man 5 ytfzf | chromium
2022-11-14 18:33:33	GuiToris	this didn't work
2022-11-14 18:34:07	tusko	sad story
2022-11-14 18:34:10	tusko	!next
2022-11-14 18:34:10	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-11-14 18:36:46	astralc	man -H or man -w?
2022-11-14 18:43:25	menteb	man man
2022-11-14 18:44:03	octopus	I do this : man --troff-device=ps "${@}" | ps2pdf - - | zathura -
2022-11-14 18:44:57	octopus	"${@}" should be replace with the target, I use this with a script to take the input, hence I used "${@}"
2022-11-14 18:45:37	octopus	This creates a pdf, that is viewed using zathura
2022-11-14 18:46:26	jenia2	hello
2022-11-14 18:46:42	octopus	hi
2022-11-14 18:46:49	jenia2	I install arch to my computer today but I get "waiting for device UUID..." It looks like systemd-boot cannot find the drive to boot. Here is my fstab: http://ix.io/4fSh
2022-11-14 18:47:16	jenia2	and here is my loader/entires file: http://ix.io/4fTZ
2022-11-14 18:47:44	gehidore	what one is it waiting for?
2022-11-14 18:47:46	astralc	why you have =arch_os?
2022-11-14 18:47:47	gehidore	which one*
2022-11-14 18:47:51	jenia2	is the syntax correct in the loader/entries/arch,conf file
2022-11-14 18:48:19	⚡ 	gehidore defers to astralc's question
2022-11-14 18:48:57	jenia2	ohhh "options root="LABEL=arch_os" rw"... the arch_os stand for the the disk UUID where linux file system is?
2022-11-14 18:49:04	jenia2	ok
2022-11-14 18:49:08	jenia2	make sense :)
2022-11-14 18:49:43	octopus	you mentioned UUID
2022-11-14 18:49:47	grawity	yeah, it's either LABEL=somelabel or UUID=someuuid
2022-11-14 18:49:50	octopus	you should not need label
2022-11-14 18:49:54	grawity	exactly like in fstab
2022-11-14 18:49:55	octopus	^
2022-11-14 18:49:55	astralc	arch_os stand for LABEL in the example you said
2022-11-14 18:50:08	grawity	octopus: the original example in systemd-boot archwiki used LABEL=
2022-11-14 18:50:58	octopus	I understand, but, they already used uuid, so I said that
2022-11-14 18:51:02	octopus	ok
2022-11-14 18:51:23	jenia2	I get "security boot fail" now
2022-11-14 18:51:24	jenia2	pfff
2022-11-14 18:51:53	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-14 18:51:54	jenia2	so "options root="UUID=206103eb-640d-495d-8b77-89973e532c44=arch_os" rw"
2022-11-14 18:52:15	grawity	you still have that duplicate =arch_os in there?
2022-11-14 18:52:29	jenia2	should be: options UUID="206103eb-640d-495d-8b77-89973e532c44" rw
2022-11-14 18:52:36	octopus	yeah
2022-11-14 18:52:39	grawity	root=UUID=
2022-11-14 18:52:51	grawity	root= is the kernel option, UUID=206103eb-640d-495d-8b77-89973e532c44 is the value
2022-11-14 18:53:01	grawity	(well, initramfs option but doesn't matter)
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2022-11-14 18:53:20	octopus	options root="UUID=206103eb-640d-495d-8b77-89973e532c44" rw 
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2022-11-14 18:56:05	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-14 18:56:31	jenia2	for some reason security boot doens't even allow me to boot into the USB now
2022-11-14 18:56:50	jenia2	can I disable it?
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2022-11-14 18:57:15	grawity	should be in the firmware settings, yes
2022-11-14 18:57:40	octopus	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface/Secure_Boot
2022-11-14 18:57:42	phrik	Title: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface/Secure Boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-14 18:58:47	jenia2	it booted correctly for a second and then I get archlinux login uvcvideo failed to query UVC probe
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2022-11-14 18:59:24	jenia2	ok. I'm in
2022-11-14 18:59:25	jenia2	:)
2022-11-14 18:59:27	jenia2	thanks everyone
2022-11-14 18:59:29	octopus	!party
2022-11-14 18:59:29	phrik	http://i.imgur.com/ph1fd.gif
2022-11-14 18:59:49	octopus	jenia2: welcome to archers
2022-11-14 19:00:00	jenia2	 thanks!! :)
2022-11-14 19:00:00	octopus	and don't forget to tell everyone you use archlinux
2022-11-14 19:00:15	octopus	:)
2022-11-14 19:00:40	◣	dagunkey (~dagunkey@196.189.182.92) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-11-14 19:01:04	jenia2	I tell everyone all the time lol
2022-11-14 19:01:06	jenia2	I love arch
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2022-11-14 19:01:24	jenia2	I have it on my PC. works 100X better than mac os anything else
2022-11-14 19:02:01	octopus	don't forget to tell them why linux is superior
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2022-11-14 19:02:06	grawity	"UVC" is the webcam so my bet would be on the internal wiring being broken at the hinge
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2022-11-14 19:04:22	jenia2	do I need to start dhcpcd for the wlan to work? No right?
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2022-11-14 19:04:51	jenia2	I have the wlan interface on but I can't ping archlinux.org
2022-11-14 19:04:54	jenia2	humm
2022-11-14 19:05:27	grawity	did you connect to a network using wpa_supplicant or iwd?
2022-11-14 19:05:37	jenia2	yes
2022-11-14 19:05:43	jenia2	wpa_supplicant
2022-11-14 19:05:46	grawity	then yeah DHCP is the next step
2022-11-14 19:05:46	jenia2	just like before
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2022-11-14 19:06:00	jenia2	but how do I install it? I don't ahve internet
2022-11-14 19:06:05	jenia2	I need to chroot again?
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2022-11-14 19:06:23	grawity	set up systemd-networkd temporarily
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2022-11-14 19:06:34	grawity	or add an IP address & gateway & DNS servers manually for now
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2022-11-14 19:06:51	grawity	`ip addr add`, `ip route add`, /etc/resolv.conf
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2022-11-14 19:09:26	lmat	How is bluray on Linux these days? It's been several years since I tried watching a bluray in Linux. I remember needing to have the key in a big list in order to watch a video...
2022-11-14 19:09:59	keir	"the key"?
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2022-11-14 19:10:37	grawity	the various libaacs DRM stuff?
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2022-11-14 19:17:36	brjl	... I can't use the wifi on my laptop
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2022-11-14 19:18:27	brjl	I get connected, get an IP by dhcpcd (which I just installed trying to solve the problem), and then can't use the internet
2022-11-14 19:19:02	Edu4rdSHL	Explain "can't use the internet"
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2022-11-14 19:19:35	brjl	dhcpcd's logs say "failed to renew DHCP, rebinding", and then immediately after say "leased 192.168.0.100 for 60 seconds"
2022-11-14 19:19:38	mingdao	brjl: What does `ping 4.2.2.1` output?
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2022-11-14 19:20:29	jkc	60 seconds? That's an awfully short lease time...
2022-11-14 19:20:33	brjl	mingdao: I have no connection from the beggining. Can't reach hosts.
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2022-11-14 19:20:55	mingdao	brjl: Yeah, I saw your other post as I was hitting enter
2022-11-14 19:20:56	Edu4rdSHL	What is your network stack? Installing dhcpd will not fix anything as expected
2022-11-14 19:21:34	brjl	NetMan, iwd.
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2022-11-14 19:21:49	Edu4rdSHL	What is NetMan?
2022-11-14 19:21:56	Edu4rdSHL	Have never hear of that
2022-11-14 19:22:45	brjl	NetworkManager
2022-11-14 19:22:47	brjl	Sorry.
2022-11-14 19:23:18	Edu4rdSHL	Well, the first step is to uninstall dhcpcd or stop it, then start the NetworkManager service and check the logs.
2022-11-14 19:23:26	Edu4rdSHL	Also, it was working before or it's first time setup¡
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2022-11-14 19:23:28	Edu4rdSHL	?
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2022-11-14 19:23:41	brjl	iwd was complaining about having "No DHCP client configured?" BEFORE I installed dhcpcd
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2022-11-14 19:24:05	brjl	It was working before
2022-11-14 19:24:12	astralc	you don't need iwd if you use networkmanager
2022-11-14 19:24:20	brjl	I'm starting to think my router is messing up local addresses
2022-11-14 19:24:28	Edu4rdSHL	You need to configure NetworkManager to use iwd or you can use NM built-on wireless support
2022-11-14 19:24:41	brjl	Already done. Months ago.
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2022-11-14 19:24:50	brjl	This was working fine.
2022-11-14 19:24:58	Edu4rdSHL	Have you tried restarting your router/computer?
2022-11-14 19:25:03	brjl	Both, yes.
2022-11-14 19:25:07	soren_	anyone have xps 13 with the sound issue where when there is no sound you hear white noise for a few seconds before complete silence? what's the fix? i know this laptop has some sound issue not sure if the fixes online are for the same problem. is this hardware or linux-specific?
2022-11-14 19:25:23	Edu4rdSHL	Can you ping the gateway?
2022-11-14 19:26:27	◣	Nimzowitsch (~nimzo@user/nimzowitsch) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-11-14 19:26:54	brjl	I don't seem to be able, no.
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2022-11-14 19:27:09	brjl	nmcli does tell me I have an address, though.
2022-11-14 19:27:35	Edu4rdSHL	`ping _gateway` is the command just in case
2022-11-14 19:27:57	brjl	Oh. I'm getting responses.
2022-11-14 19:28:13	brjl	ipv6 responses, I was trying to ping ipv4
2022-11-14 19:28:36	Edu4rdSHL	ping -4 _gateway
2022-11-14 19:28:53	brjl	Heh. You're the best
2022-11-14 19:29:08	brjl	Yep. Unreachable.
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2022-11-14 19:30:45	Edu4rdSHL	Mmm, do you have a phone where you can set up a wifi hotspot and check if it works here? Or better question, are other devices connected to the same modem working fine?
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2022-11-14 19:37:35	brjl	Well, "releasing" addresses did jack shit
2022-11-14 19:37:54	brjl	This is most strange
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2022-11-14 19:39:36	Edu4rdSHL	So, it's working?
2022-11-14 19:39:49	brjl	No.
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2022-11-14 19:40:35	Edu4rdSHL	As I said, seems some local setting (on your PC) for that connection which is messing up things. Try removing the network and all related settings to it, then connecting again
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2022-11-14 19:40:46	ℹ 	astralc1 es conocido ahora como astralc
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2022-11-14 19:41:01	brjl	I'm finding it weird that to all other devices it gives a "small" address to it, and .100 to this laptop.
2022-11-14 19:41:24	brjl	Let's see.
2022-11-14 19:41:30	Edu4rdSHL	Maybe it's set somewhere to use .100
2022-11-14 19:41:44	brjl	Trying to figure that out
2022-11-14 19:41:46	◣	dagunky (~dagunky@196.189.182.247) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-11-14 19:41:57	brjl	Though I haven't set it to do that anywhere
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2022-11-14 19:42:51	brjl	... nmcli has two connections showing?
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2022-11-14 19:43:51	brjl	Ah. Right. Neverminf.
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2022-11-14 19:50:13	brjl	I cannot find it anywhere where it should set itself to ask for that address
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2022-11-14 19:50:13	Edu4rdSHL	Then try setting it to another address more close to the ones of your other devices, not sure if that will change anything but...
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2022-11-14 19:50:47	brjl	It shouldn't. What it should be doing is handing proper addresses...
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2022-11-15 18:44:36	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1441 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1441 normals)
2022-11-15 14:27:07	mpan	If you go to package’s page <https://archlinux.org/packages/community/any/pinta/>, in “Packages actions” you have “Bug Reports” link.
2022-11-15 14:27:08	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - pinta 2.0.2-2 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2022-11-15 14:28:08	HappyAporetic	ah yeah I was confusedly just looking at the "flag package out of date" stuff. thanks, I missed this
2022-11-15 14:30:42	Namarrgon	bittin_: that only shows btrfs errors, check smartctl for the disk's health
2022-11-15 14:31:20	Namarrgon	is this arch or still endeavouros?
2022-11-15 14:31:51	bittin_	Crystal so not proper Arch but seems to be btrfs errors
2022-11-15 14:31:55	bittin_	sorry
2022-11-15 14:32:06	bittin_	but got help in the #btrfs channel
2022-11-15 14:32:11	Namarrgon	please don't ever come back with questions about spins, okay?
2022-11-15 14:32:17	bittin_	alright
2022-11-15 14:32:23	Namarrgon	i'm tired of your nonsense and i will remove you next time
2022-11-15 14:32:55	Namarrgon	if you don't want to run arch then that's absolutely fine but don't make it our problem
2022-11-15 14:33:02	bittin_	ok
2022-11-15 14:33:20	bwanda	run ubuntu its cool
2022-11-15 14:39:40	zeewark1	question: these 32bit libraries, are they real working libraries or just proxys which defer the requests to the 64bit version of that lib? 
2022-11-15 14:39:57	jelle	zeewark1: real 32 bit 
2022-11-15 14:40:30	predicament	I have a question about an AUR helper that says it's out of date, and it isn't out of date.  Can someone unmark that crap?  I hate seeing it.
2022-11-15 14:41:18	astralc	predicament: the aur package maintainer need to mark it 'in date'
2022-11-15 14:41:31	predicament	is it possible that they'd allow me to do that?
2022-11-15 14:41:40	predicament	or a way for me to just have it not appear as out of date
2022-11-15 14:42:01	astralc	if it paru? it mark because crybabies don't know how to rebuild packages
2022-11-15 14:42:04	predicament	remember it's not pacman
2022-11-15 14:42:10	predicament	yeah paru.
2022-11-15 14:42:51	predicament	I know this isn't usually AUR but I'm also asking about my system here so I think it might be a valid question.
2022-11-15 14:43:05	astralc	check paru docs?
2022-11-15 14:43:20	predicament	i did, i didnt *see* anything overt
2022-11-15 14:43:54	astralc	ignore that, or move to paru-bin for now
2022-11-15 14:44:00	predicament	i never ask without looking for at least 5 pieces of documentation OR arch wiki
2022-11-15 14:44:03	predicament	oh yeah
2022-11-15 14:44:09	predicament	i forgot about paru-bin
2022-11-15 14:44:17	predicament	and yeah how would i ignore it though
2022-11-15 14:44:22	predicament	in pacman.conf:?
2022-11-15 14:44:39	astralc	no, just, "ah yeah, OK, moving on"
2022-11-15 14:44:50	predicament	oh that kind of ignore
2022-11-15 14:44:57	predicament	i thought you meant ignore the package
2022-11-15 14:45:02	predicament	somehow.
2022-11-15 14:45:21	predicament	i have been ignoring for like a month now
2022-11-15 14:45:37	Scimmia	predicament: but it *is* out of date...
2022-11-15 14:45:50	predicament	oh then i wanna rebuild with a new PKGBUILD
2022-11-15 14:45:57	predicament	right?
2022-11-15 14:46:22	predicament	and if that's correct, how is it out of date?  everyone is saying it is not
2022-11-15 14:46:32	predicament	and two people said it is
2022-11-15 14:46:50	predicament	you and someone on the AUR comment section.
2022-11-15 14:47:07	predicament	so i'm definitely a little curious how it's out of date
2022-11-15 14:47:14	Scimmia	check upstream
2022-11-15 14:47:29	predicament	i dont have time to check too many things
2022-11-15 14:47:32	predicament	so hang on
2022-11-15 14:47:35	predicament	might take a second
2022-11-15 14:47:45	Khorne	uninstall the package, solved
2022-11-15 14:47:50	predicament	no, not solved
2022-11-15 14:48:06	Khorne	Very much solved, no package, no problems
2022-11-15 14:48:06	predicament	i love paru
2022-11-15 14:48:08	Khorne	!next
2022-11-15 14:48:08	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-11-15 14:48:11	predicament	oh shut up
2022-11-15 14:48:12	predicament	Jesus.
2022-11-15 14:48:13	predicament	lol
2022-11-15 14:48:25	predicament	the package is something i need sir
2022-11-15 14:48:31	MacGyver	I'm with Khorne, software was a mistake.
2022-11-15 14:48:36	predicament	think so?
2022-11-15 14:48:52	predicament	hm
2022-11-15 14:48:56	MacGyver	All tech problems of the last 20 years? Software.
2022-11-15 14:49:05	predicament	oh thats what you think i mean
2022-11-15 14:49:07	predicament	no
2022-11-15 14:49:15	predicament	but yeah thats true
2022-11-15 14:49:25	Khorne	I don't get the problem even, the package is out of date and you are being told about it
2022-11-15 14:49:27	Edu4rdSHL	predicament, you aren't posting the exact error
2022-11-15 14:49:32	Edu4rdSHL	Post the output
2022-11-15 14:49:32	Khorne	If you dont want that feature, use different software
2022-11-15 14:49:37	predicament	theres no error, it just says "marked out of date"
2022-11-15 14:49:42	astralc	move to paru bin, problem sovled
2022-11-15 14:49:44	Khorne	Because it is, and correctly so
2022-11-15 14:49:46	astralc	solved
2022-11-15 14:49:55	predicament	i have a question
2022-11-15 14:49:55	Edu4rdSHL	So... there isn't problem then
2022-11-15 14:50:00	predicament	which version
2022-11-15 14:50:05	Khorne	1.11.2
2022-11-15 14:50:08	MacGyver	predicament: The PKGBUILD for Paru is still on 1.11.1, whereas upstream has released 1.11.2. That's what out-of-date means.
2022-11-15 14:50:08	predicament	THANK YOU
2022-11-15 14:50:16	predicament	thank you guys.
2022-11-15 14:50:19	predicament	thats what i wanted.
2022-11-15 14:50:19	Khorne	Sorry you are unable to read
2022-11-15 14:50:29	predicament	you might be the one that can't read
2022-11-15 14:50:32	predicament	scroll up a bit.
2022-11-15 14:50:33	Khorne	I know that must make life difficult, I didn't intend to be so harsh on you
2022-11-15 14:50:34	Scimmia	of course, 1.11.2 was just a rebuilt for openssl. Why upstream would call that a release, though...
2022-11-15 14:50:35	predicament	I said i don't hav emuch time
2022-11-15 14:50:42	predicament	and that it might take a minute,
2022-11-15 14:50:48	predicament	because i was reading about it.
2022-11-15 14:50:51	predicament	lol
2022-11-15 14:50:52	Edu4rdSHL	Scimmia, lol, just a release for that? Seriously?
2022-11-15 14:50:54	Scimmia	predicament: yet you waste time complaining about the most minor thing imaginable
2022-11-15 14:50:55	Khorne	It's ok, we are inclusive
2022-11-15 14:51:05	predicament	okay im done talking then
2022-11-15 14:51:20	predicament	its not complaining, it was a question
2022-11-15 14:51:25	predicament	people turn it into complaining.
2022-11-15 14:51:30	MacGyver	Scimmia: Possibly because that's the only way to force a rebuild in paru? :P
2022-11-15 14:51:44	MacGyver	(I wouldn't know, never used paru)
2022-11-15 14:51:49	predicament	okay well
2022-11-15 14:51:53	Khorne	MacGyver, because AUR users don't know how software dependencies work
2022-11-15 14:51:54	predicament	id o.
2022-11-15 14:51:59	predicament	okay lol
2022-11-15 14:52:03	predicament	oh my God.
2022-11-15 14:52:10	predicament	you're funny
2022-11-15 14:52:24	predicament	it's just convenience and that is ALL
2022-11-15 14:52:50	Edu4rdSHL	Khorne, I think that MacGyver is talking about the rebuilds of the binaries they provide in their repo
2022-11-15 14:53:01	predicament	i know how to do it manually i just would rather let the AUR helper, i do not have time to do all of that with four boxes
2022-11-15 14:53:09	Ennea	whenever the topic in here is AUR helpers, it always feels like their sole existence is a mistake
2022-11-15 14:53:19	predicament	wow
2022-11-15 14:53:22	predicament	nice.
2022-11-15 14:53:26	predicament	that was a pretty good insult
2022-11-15 14:53:28	Khorne	Edu4rdSHL, and I'm taking about the jib of 'upstream release to force openssl rebuild'
2022-11-15 14:53:31	Khorne	talking*
2022-11-15 14:53:34	Ennea	that wasn't even an insult. are you an AUR helper?
2022-11-15 14:53:34	astralc	predicament:  saw users say "paru crash, I can't update my system", so....
2022-11-15 14:53:40	MacGyver	Yeah, I'm guessing it has to do something with the -bin package; they could've just done 1.11.1-2 for a dep rebuild.
2022-11-15 14:53:48	predicament	it just needed a rebuild astralc 
2022-11-15 14:53:54	predicament	thats all.
2022-11-15 14:54:00	Foxboron	Scimmia: Morgan builds binary packages and people use those. And well, users are users
2022-11-15 14:54:11	predicament	but i use pacman more
2022-11-15 14:54:21	predicament	so.. whatever i mean you can judge all you want
2022-11-15 14:54:22	Scimmia	Foxboron: that doesn't explain a new tagged release for a simple rebuild
2022-11-15 14:54:28	astralc	predicament: yes, but those users don't know how to update with just pacman...
2022-11-15 14:54:30	MacGyver	predicament: We're not judging you *personally*.
2022-11-15 14:54:36	predicament	i would hope not
2022-11-15 14:54:38	astralc	and git + makepkg
2022-11-15 14:54:49	Edu4rdSHL	!aurctl
2022-11-15 14:54:49	Foxboron	Scimmia: People don't understand the rebuild. It's easier to do that release than spending hours on end answering emails about why paru is broken
2022-11-15 14:54:50	phrik	aurctl() { git clone https://aur.archlinux.org/$1; }
2022-11-15 14:54:52	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-11-15 14:54:59	Foxboron	Namarrgon: Please :c
2022-11-15 14:55:06	Scimmia	Foxboron: pkgrel 2, dont
2022-11-15 14:55:07	predicament	oh nice
2022-11-15 14:55:08	Scimmia	done
2022-11-15 14:55:09	predicament	holy shit
2022-11-15 14:55:12	predicament	thats cool
2022-11-15 14:55:15	predicament	i didnt even think of that
2022-11-15 14:55:16	Foxboron	Scimmia: this doesn't work for the binary release
2022-11-15 14:55:21	MacGyver	predicament: Pretty much everyone here likely uses some kind of AUR helper, whether it be their own chewing-gum-and-duct-tape scripts or something else, nobody likes manual rebuilding.
2022-11-15 14:55:26	Edu4rdSHL	Scimmia, the problem is with -bin packages which download already compiled bianries from GH
2022-11-15 14:55:34	predicament	yeah i figured
2022-11-15 14:55:39	Scimmia	Foxboron: sure it does, upstream rebuilds it
2022-11-15 14:55:52	Foxboron	Scimmia: I don't think you want to understand how users engage with this. Thats fine
2022-11-15 14:55:58	Scimmia	I do
2022-11-15 14:56:09	MacGyver	Scimmia: But then it would download 1.11.1 compiled against *new* openssl even on systems with *old* openssl.
2022-11-15 14:56:15	predicament	sorry everyone for the confusion, i'm going back and forth between four computers right now, two are things i cant even mention lol
2022-11-15 14:56:16	Scimmia	It has nothing to do with the users, it's how upstream chose to handle it
2022-11-15 14:56:19	predicament	fucking annoying NDAs
2022-11-15 14:56:44	Foxboron	Scimmia: Have you every managed software with a couple hunded users pestering you?
2022-11-15 14:56:51	predicament	and there's two things i can't mention*
2022-11-15 14:56:52	Scimmia	MacGyver: which is what it does now, anyway, that's how -bin packages work
2022-11-15 14:56:58	Scimmia	yes
2022-11-15 14:57:28	Foxboron	Okay, I don't want to know how you dealt with users :p
2022-11-15 14:57:40	predicament	alright let me put it in the PKGBUILD And manually rebuild with the new version
2022-11-15 15:00:09	MacGyver	Scimmia: Good point, but at least you can still get the right one with the old PKGBUILD, which wouldn't work if they actually replaced the binary; their source naming doesn't include the pkgrel. I guess they could've just done that as a one-off.
2022-11-15 15:00:41	MacGyver	-bin packages of open source software in the AUR are weird.
2022-11-15 15:00:55	Foxboron	Indeed
2022-11-15 15:00:58	predicament	^
2022-11-15 15:01:00	predicament	absolutely
2022-11-15 15:01:04	MacGyver	I understand 'm but I don't expect any kind of "standard" behaviour from them.
2022-11-15 15:01:35	Scimmia	There are some places I understand them and even use them, such as mongodb, but in general, yeah, they make little sense
2022-11-15 15:01:38	astralc	because building /some/ packages take hours, or upstream have specific release
2022-11-15 15:02:12	Foxboron	astralc: people don't want to spend 3 minutes downloading rust dependencies
2022-11-15 15:02:35	astralc	3 minutes to download, and 10 minutes on not so modern pc to build
2022-11-15 15:13:07	predicament	i like timeshift.
2022-11-15 15:32:19	predicament	waita  minute
2022-11-15 15:32:22	predicament	brave is not out of date
2022-11-15 15:35:22	predicament	the fuck
2022-11-15 15:35:43	predicament	it is still the same version
2022-11-15 15:38:40	TheMadGamerMan	is there a way to see if my locals are right (a script)? The time in Plasma is right, SDDM displays it wrong
2022-11-15 15:39:06	Scimmia	TheMadGamerMan: what does timedatectl show?
2022-11-15 15:41:43	TheMadGamerMan	Scimmia:  Shows Canada/Eastern EST -0500. I have localtime enabled as I have Win10 installed
2022-11-15 15:42:09	Guimauve	TheMadGamerMan - i don't understand what i did wrong either. i symlinked /etc/localtime but that didn't matter AT ALL to plasma, which was using GMT for some reason. i had to go into the configuration for plasma and change the time zone there. which i think just re-symlinked /etc/localtime so... whatever, it worked for me. 
2022-11-15 15:42:47	Scimmia	TheMadGamerMan: that's 1 line out of 7
2022-11-15 15:43:32	TheMadGamerMan	where can I paste?
2022-11-15 15:43:46	astralc	!give TheMadGamerMan paste
2022-11-15 15:43:46	phrik	TheMadGamerMan: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-11-15 15:44:04	TheMadGamerMan	!ix
2022-11-15 15:44:05	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-11-15 15:46:30	TheMadGamerMan	!rs
2022-11-15 15:46:30	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2022-11-15 15:49:23	predicament	i started using fstrim
2022-11-15 15:49:35	predicament	what are your thoughts on fstrim?  anyone?
2022-11-15 15:49:45	Ennea	TheMadGamerMan, not sure if this is related to your problem at all (probably not?), but just so you know: you can also configure windows to be okay with a UTC RTC. might be cleaner
2022-11-15 15:49:56	Ennea	see: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_time#UTC_in_Microsoft_Windows
2022-11-15 15:49:57	phrik	Title: System time - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-15 15:50:11	predicament	use your bios
2022-11-15 15:50:12	predicament	:P
2022-11-15 15:50:58	Ennea	bios/uefi fw can not change the way windows interprets the RTC ;)
2022-11-15 15:51:14	predicament	oh i mis-read that
2022-11-15 15:51:24	predicament	i think i shut out windows in my mind
2022-11-15 15:51:29	predicament	i hate it that much
2022-11-15 15:51:34	TheMadGamerMan	https://dpaste.com/GNDK8NCC6 here is the output
2022-11-15 15:51:54	predicament	and i just stopped using it years ago
2022-11-15 15:52:15	predicament	if i really need it, GPU passthrough and so will CPU topology passed through
2022-11-15 15:52:35	TheMadGamerMan	predicament:  Trying yo do that myself
2022-11-15 15:52:55	predicament	oh yeah?
2022-11-15 15:53:20	pareidolia	oh
2022-11-15 15:53:21	pareidolia	oops./
2022-11-15 15:53:26	pareidolia	he gawn
2022-11-15 16:06:44	TheMadGamerMan	Sorry net cut out 
2022-11-15 16:08:08	Scimmia	that output looks fine
2022-11-15 16:08:25	Scimmia	what are you seeing in sddm, exactly?
2022-11-15 16:09:03	TheMadGamerMan	the time listed under localtime
2022-11-15 16:10:14	astralc	instead?
2022-11-15 16:11:05	TheMadGamerMan	I think sddm is reading UTC
2022-11-15 16:11:29	astralc	so it show "14:47:34"?
2022-11-15 16:11:38	Scimmia	the time listed under localtime is what it *should* be showing
2022-11-15 16:11:42	Scimmia	so...what's the problem?
2022-11-15 16:12:15	TheMadGamerMan	I wanted local. I guess I can just switch win10
2022-11-15 16:12:24	mefistofeles	yay, sddm core dumping :/
2022-11-15 16:12:28	Scimmia	you just said it was local...
2022-11-15 16:13:04	TheMadGamerMan	I have arch set to it yes.sddm is showing utc
2022-11-15 16:13:13	nullie	TheMadGamerMan: that show that you didn't set it up properly to use local time in RTC
2022-11-15 16:14:22	TheMadGamerMan	what should I do
2022-11-15 16:14:35	Scimmia	TheMadGamerMan: how did you set it to use the rtc as local time?
2022-11-15 16:14:55	TheMadGamerMan	hwclock --systohc --local
2022-11-15 16:15:20	Scimmia	what's in /etc/adjtime?
2022-11-15 16:15:21	nullie	TheMadGamerMan: read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_time#Hardware_clock
2022-11-15 16:15:22	phrik	Title: System time - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-15 16:15:40	nullie	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_time#Time_standard even
2022-11-15 16:15:42	phrik	Title: System time - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-15 16:16:56	TheMadGamerMan	Scimmia:  Ok, Thanks
2022-11-15 16:17:06	Scimmia	I see it, --local isn't a option
2022-11-15 16:17:07	Koragg	a major problem with sddm for me, with many window managers + desktop environments is that the selection bar for which one to use does NOT scroll in sddm. worse is that this bug is known for over 2 years and not fixed by the devs
2022-11-15 16:37:58	WhyNotHugo	I want to run a script with "program1 & program2". I want program1 to be killed when program2 exits. Is this doable?
2022-11-15 16:41:32	linuxuser88	hey, i get message "error: failed retrieving file operation too slow" when i typed "sudo pacman -Syu" but pacman exits with success. will upgrade be incomplete etc if i get this message or everything is fine?
2022-11-15 16:44:10	rcf	linuxuser88: try again, possibly with a different mirror 
2022-11-15 16:44:50	tirnanog	program1 & pid=$!; program 2; kill "$pid". it's racy, though. if program1 terminates first, you won't know which process the value of pid refers to, if any.
2022-11-15 16:45:42	rcf	linuxuser88: You’re fine so long as you don’t install anything before trying to successfully upgrade
2022-11-15 16:57:14	Edu4rdSHL	linuxuser88, you can get that error from a mirror and then pacman downloaded the file from another one, which is still a success.
2022-11-15 16:57:24	Edu4rdSHL	Post always the whole log.
2022-11-15 17:15:05	lmat	Is there any tool to do AWS MFA from command line? I tried totp but it didn't work. I couldn't find a valid serial number (later discovered that the serial number is supposed to be issued by Thales who makes AWS-exclusive OTP devices), but even if I get a good serial number, I'm not sure if it would work.
2022-11-15 17:17:06	lmat	With totp, I can get 6-digit numbers really easily:  ./totp <<< "some key";  which would be so super nice if I could get that to work!
2022-11-15 17:22:14	lmat	It looks like the following Android apps are available for providing MFA: Twilio Authy Authenticator, Duo Mobile, LastPass Authenticator, Microsoft Authenticator, Google Authenticator, Symantec VIP.  Can I get any of these running on my computer instead of a telephone?
2022-11-15 17:22:29	lmat	Or even better, some free software that emulates them?
2022-11-15 17:23:16	Scimmia	keepassxc works
2022-11-15 17:23:32	Scimmia	depending on just what kind of mfa
2022-11-15 17:24:45	Edu4rdSHL	Authy has a desktop app as well
2022-11-15 17:24:52	Edu4rdSHL	Just not from cmdline
2022-11-15 17:28:52	Scimmia	I haven't used AWS in a while, not sure what it requires
2022-11-15 17:31:02	damjan	there are many totp generators. it's a RFC in the end
2022-11-15 17:31:20	damjan	now is it smart to have the totp on the PC. probably not
2022-11-15 17:31:34	damjan	https://github.com/pyauth/pyotp
2022-11-15 18:30:40	tusko	dandels, I just installed tlp last night. before that my battery life was like 3hrs
2022-11-15 18:30:51	tusko	on a new laptop. its real absurd.
2022-11-15 18:31:11	tusko	I'll try hibernating manually and see if I can recreate, but I actually just changed it to suspend at ~3% battery
2022-11-15 18:31:23	tusko	hibernate takes a long ass time to do its thing, even on new hardware
2022-11-15 18:31:57	dandels	:o I don't even use hibernation (mainly because my laptop has low disk space), but I'm surprised that it takes so long
2022-11-15 18:32:02	dandels	even my previous craptop wasn't that slow
2022-11-15 18:33:50	dandels	and yeah there's a bunch of stuff that computers/laptops spend power on needlessly, powertop can be used to see what consumes power
2022-11-15 18:41:35	pareidolia	why the fuck does brave randomly crash so often
2022-11-15 18:41:39	pareidolia	just closes.
2022-11-15 18:41:42	pareidolia	for nor eason
2022-11-15 18:41:59	pareidolia	like it'll just sit there..  i wonder what is causing that, cause it stopped for awhile
2022-11-15 18:42:07	pareidolia	now it has started again.
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2022-11-15 18:47:00	tirnanog	chromium and its derivatives are pretty hard to crash. gpu driver bugs could be a plausible candidate, especially if there are messages in dmesg that imply it.
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2022-11-15 18:48:52	Guimauve	i use yay as an installer for the sole reason that it makes me smile every time i have to type "yay" into the console. 
2022-11-15 18:49:12	Guimauve	such enthusiasm for installing software
2022-11-15 18:49:19	⚡ 	Guimauve pats yay on the head
2022-11-15 18:50:35	tirnanog	pareidolia: search for "hardware" in settings and you'll find an option to turn hardware acceleration off. you could try with that for a while. if the instability goes away, it's probably as stated, otherwise it's probably something else.
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2022-11-15 18:50:58	tirnanog	and you can look at chrome://gpu to get a sense of what's actually changed.
2022-11-15 18:51:37	pareidolia	well brave://gpu but yeah
2022-11-15 18:51:42	pareidolia	i mean i might, idk.
2022-11-15 18:51:44	tirnanog	right. but either works.
2022-11-15 18:51:55	pareidolia	ill take a look at my gpu settings
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2022-11-15 18:52:38	pareidolia	Continue running background apps when Brave is closed was checked
2022-11-15 18:52:39	pareidolia	fuck
2022-11-15 18:53:01	pareidolia	so that might not be it but it could be?
2022-11-15 18:53:07	pareidolia	it ocul djust be my drivers. nvidia.
2022-11-15 18:53:14	pareidolia	dual gpu reverse prime
2022-11-15 18:53:36	pareidolia	still can't get prime workin
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2022-11-15 19:12:38	pareidolia	its probably nvidia's drivers if im being real
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2022-11-15 19:22:52	cedb	nvidia--
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2022-11-15 19:27:06	teraflops	my RTX works very well thanks ;)
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2022-11-15 19:27:12	ℹ 	radu2427538 es conocido ahora como radu242753
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2022-11-15 19:49:48	jundran	I'm unable to download public keys because of a DNS issue with GPG. I've fixed it before but I don't remember how. I'm using systemd-resolved.
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2022-11-15 19:50:58	jundran	gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com  --search-keys fdroid
2022-11-15 19:50:58	jundran	> gpg: error searching keyserver: Try again later
2022-11-15 19:50:59	jundran	> gpg: keyserver search failed: Try again later
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2022-11-15 19:54:01	Namarrgon	can you ping keyserver.ubuntu.com?
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2022-11-15 19:55:01	jundran	no
2022-11-15 19:55:22	jundran	I can ping archlinux.org
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2022-11-15 19:58:18	jundran	ping keyring.debian.org works but I can't search keys from it using gpg
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2022-11-15 19:59:18	jundran	although keyring.debian.org is pinging to kaufmann.debian.org 82.195.75.107
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2022-11-15 19:59:39	Namarrgon	is /etc/resolv.conf a file or a symlink?
2022-11-15 20:00:01	jundran	no
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2022-11-15 20:00:19	ℹ 	tomato7 es conocido ahora como tomato
2022-11-15 20:00:19	jundran	-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 65 Oct 18 15:01 /etc/resolv.conf
2022-11-15 20:00:24	Scimmia	It wasn't a yes/no question 
2022-11-15 20:00:35	jundran	file
2022-11-15 20:00:48	Namarrgon	if it's not a symlink then you haven't finished configuring systemd-resolved yet
2022-11-15 20:01:00	Namarrgon	unless you didn't symlink it intentionally for some reason
2022-11-15 20:01:18	jundran	all I did for systemd-resolved when I installed arch was to enable it in systemd
2022-11-15 20:01:28	Namarrgon	that's not enough
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2022-11-15 20:02:17	Namarrgon	https://man.archlinux.org/man/systemd-resolved.8#/ETC/RESOLV.CONF
2022-11-15 20:02:19	phrik	Title: systemd-resolved(8) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
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2022-11-15 20:02:25	jundran	ok, let me read the wiki
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2022-11-15 20:04:45	jundran	ln -sf /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
2022-11-15 20:04:46	jundran	fixed :)
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2022-11-15 20:05:29	jundran	Namarrgon, thanks
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2022-11-16 08:03:24	bwanda	right right, sir. i just see the domain is not registered anymore.
2022-11-16 08:04:15	bwanda	https://web.archive.org/web/20151103033906/http://bohoomil.com/
2022-11-16 08:04:17	phrik	Title: Infinality bundle & fonts | bohoomil.com (at web.archive.org)
2022-11-16 08:07:08	Santzes	133
2022-11-16 08:07:12	Santzes	oops
2022-11-16 08:40:04	Tom^	uhm shouldnt fsck run at boot? have had random segfaults and issues. until it eventually stopped booting. booted archiso and had quite a few things "fixed" when running fsck there
2022-11-16 08:43:07	Tom^	"By default, fsck checks a file system every 30 boots" right.
2022-11-16 08:43:12	espresso	Tom^: the last fstab column is the fsck order (0=none)
2022-11-16 08:44:16	espresso	Tom^: (i mean in /etc/fstab ). and options should include rw
2022-11-16 08:44:53	Tom^	UUID=blabla / ext4 defaults,rw,relatime 0 1
2022-11-16 08:45:27	Tom^	*shrug* oh well i know why it got corrupted just curious as to why it required the archiso pretty much
2022-11-16 08:50:47	espresso	Tom^: I may have had it happen when say, a disk was not cleanly unmounted because nvidia was breaking suspend
2022-11-16 08:52:48	Tom^	espresso: yeah fsync is causing kernel faults, and eventually it means it never shutdsdown properly hence power button to the rescue
2022-11-16 08:52:50	Tom^	:P
2022-11-16 09:20:14	espresso	Tom^: oh, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fsck#Boot_time_checking
2022-11-16 09:20:16	phrik	Title: fsck - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-16 10:32:36	chowbok	Bah
2022-11-16 10:32:45	chowbok	Why is friendica not in the AUR
2022-11-16 10:33:48	mpan	chowbok: because neither you nor anyone else maintains it in there.
2022-11-16 10:33:52	raster-	no one cared/bothered enough to make an aur pkg for it yet?
2022-11-16 10:34:33	chowbok	Yeah, I could've guessed that, actually.
2022-11-16 10:34:37	chowbok	Just griping
2022-11-16 10:36:10	Ennea	time to step up and do it yourself ;)
2022-11-16 10:37:31	chowbok	I might
2022-11-16 10:38:16	chowbok	I'm already maintaining six AUR packages
2022-11-16 10:38:32	raster-	graduate to 7. the larch.
2022-11-16 10:48:41	AmR	Hello
2022-11-16 10:51:48	coruja	!give AmR welcome
2022-11-16 10:51:49	phrik	AmR: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-11-16 10:52:18	AmR	I fix it.
2022-11-16 10:54:29	coruja	boring ;)
2022-11-16 11:12:32	zeewark1	what is the difference between mkarchroot and pacstrap? they both create a chroot environment and they both install packages within these chroots?
2022-11-16 11:13:09	Edu4rdSHL	No
2022-11-16 11:13:14	Edu4rdSHL	I mean, yes
2022-11-16 11:13:20	Edu4rdSHL	But not exactly in the same way
2022-11-16 11:13:35	Edu4rdSHL	Both install packages, but pacstrap doesn't create a chroot
2022-11-16 11:14:16	Edu4rdSHL	pacstrap just install the packages whatever you want and nothing else, mkarchroot set up a arch chroot with all the needed packages, in pacstrap you need to pass which packages do you want to install
2022-11-16 11:14:57	Edu4rdSHL	Can you set up a chroot with pacstrap? yes, but you need to pass all the packages. mkarchroot does that automatically for you
2022-11-16 11:15:55	mpan	I would also say that, while they may share some features, their purpose is different.
2022-11-16 11:18:10	Tom^	aha so thats why, fsck required manual intervention and i hit this https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/70408
2022-11-16 11:18:11	phrik	Title: FS#70408 : [mkinitcpio] Add hook for unlocking root account (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-11-16 11:18:15	Tom^	hence i had to boot the archiso
2022-11-16 11:18:18	Tom^	>.<
2022-11-16 11:18:19	mpan	pacstrap’s goal is to just put files where they belong. mkarchroot’s goal is to set up an entire usable chroot, which you can instantly use (e.g. to build in clean chroot).
2022-11-16 11:19:08	zeewark1	okay, I see. In my case I want to have a chroot, in which I can create a whole filesystem, which is turned into a cpio archive. so not only build one package, but a lot of them 
2022-11-16 11:19:59	zeewark1	includeing AUR packages (also 32bit AUR-packages) which have to been build, which requires more build dependencies
2022-11-16 11:20:05	Ennea	Tom^, interesting insight, thanks
2022-11-16 11:20:13	mpan	Also correct me, if I am wrong, but I think pacstra can work over existing filesystem, while mkarchroot assumes it has a blank directory to work with.
2022-11-16 11:20:27	zeewark1	and I don't want to install all these packages in my productive system
2022-11-16 11:20:56	mpan	zeewark1: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:Building_in_a_clean_chroot
2022-11-16 11:20:57	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:Building in a clean chroot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-16 11:21:30	mpan	That is mostly to avoid packages from being polluted by your current system’s configuration. Suits what you want to do, if I understand your needs correctly.
2022-11-16 11:21:42	zeewark1	something like libeudev cannot get installed with libsystemd etc...
2022-11-16 11:22:10	mpan	But, of course, that also prevents your current system from being affected by the build process.
2022-11-16 11:22:42	zeewark1	mpan: exactly
2022-11-16 11:23:24	Edu4rdSHL	mpan, thanks for clarifying what I wanted to say. :D
2022-11-16 11:24:17	zeewark1	thank you guys for so long. I think mkarchroot will do it for my outer chroot, to build the inner cpio archive mybe its pacstrap ;-)
2022-11-16 11:25:35	Edu4rdSHL	zeewark1, take a look to mkosi, that will helps you exactly with what you want =)
2022-11-16 11:27:33	zeewark1	Edu4rdSHL: looks also interseting
2022-11-16 11:28:08	Edu4rdSHL	You can create whatever you want with this, add additional files, additional packages, additional config, etc, etc :)
2022-11-16 11:28:52	Edu4rdSHL	https://github.com/nspawn/mkosi-definitions/tree/master/ArchLinux/archlinux for example
2022-11-16 12:07:10	Fr0stBit	Hello! Has anybody noticed a slight change in Github's fonts today? I'm not sure if its a Github update or a system update I did
2022-11-16 12:07:51	Edu4rdSHL	What's exactly the change you're seeing?
2022-11-16 12:10:15	mpan	If you can see old look by reverting an update, it’s the update. Otherwise one can’t tell: you do not have control over the GitHub app — it’s downloaded and run in your browser. So it’s whatever GH decides to serve you for a particular request.
2022-11-16 12:11:08	mpan	Firefox has just been updated, so that may be a factor.
2022-11-16 12:11:23	mpan	(if you use it)
2022-11-16 12:15:11	Fr0stBit	I cannot really explain the change, I can actually feel it by looking at it
2022-11-16 12:16:09	solsTiCe	yes. not sure, but it seems, it does not use the default font.
2022-11-16 12:38:15	Fr0stBit	I noticed something strange! I went to Arch Wiki and inspected a paragraph font in Chromium. The font-family css attribute is set to 'sans-serif' and Chromium reports rendered font as 'Arial' but `fc-match sans-serif` reports "Noto Sans"
2022-11-16 12:39:24	Fr0stBit	I suppose that GH had its main font set as 'sans-serif' before and now it explicitly set it to 'Noto Sans'
2022-11-16 13:18:19	VinnySauce	morning all - stuck in data recovery hell
2022-11-16 13:18:38	VinnySauce	I'm using ddrescue to try to image an old 20GB IDE drive using a USB to IDE adapter
2022-11-16 13:18:46	VinnySauce	it gets about 16% through, then stops
2022-11-16 13:19:02	VinnySauce	checking dmesg I get this: "INFO: task usb-storage:1040 blocked for more than 245 seconds."
2022-11-16 13:19:21	VinnySauce	it seems like it's encountering a bad sector then giving up immediately and blocking the drive
2022-11-16 13:19:22	VinnySauce	any ideas?
2022-11-16 13:20:37	mpan	If you are using an USB adapter, I *suspect* that the adapter handles the I/O internally and presents you a virtual view of the data as USB Mass Storage device. Which means if it chockes on IDE side, the USB adapter will not be able to handle that.
2022-11-16 13:20:54	Ingar	data recovery over USB adapter is hit and miss
2022-11-16 13:21:11	Ingar	I usually advise against it, if possible
2022-11-16 13:21:18	mpan	That should work quite ok if it’s only about some bad sectors, but if that’s a more serious issue, it may simply refuse to work.
2022-11-16 13:21:20	VinnySauce	here's the dmesg log: http://ix.io/4g1K
2022-11-16 13:21:40	VinnySauce	mpan Ingar I agree, that's probably what's happening
2022-11-16 13:21:57	VinnySauce	I guess it's a lottery depending on the chip in the adapter as to how friendly it's gonna be to me?
2022-11-16 13:22:27	Ingar	VinnySauce:  yeah, I was in a similar situation with a SATA drive last year, in the end I hooked it up to real sata because the USB adapter kept choking
2022-11-16 13:22:29	mpan	Other than using an actual IDE connector, I have no other advice. Maybe someone else will have.
2022-11-16 13:22:31	VinnySauce	most "idealised" scenario I suppose is an old PC I can use with an IDE controller built-in?
2022-11-16 13:23:00	Ennea	are there any exotic extension cards perhaps? IDE via pci or something? ;p
2022-11-16 13:23:22	Ennea	well, those might suffer from the same problem as your usb adapter..
2022-11-16 13:23:29	mpan	Yes, there are IDE cards for PCI and PCI-E, should work.
2022-11-16 13:23:48	mpan	(assuming they will be visible to the OS as an actual drive)
2022-11-16 13:24:04	Ennea	oh, for real? sweet
2022-11-16 13:24:30	Ingar	no guarantees though
2022-11-16 13:24:38	Ingar	even over a native connector a drive can still choke
2022-11-16 13:24:41	mpan	Note the assumption. Nothing prevents the manufacturer from making the card present itself as an USB hub. :)
2022-11-16 13:24:54	Ingar	(protip, you caun run ddrescue in resverse order ;) )
2022-11-16 13:24:59	Ennea	mpan, good call
2022-11-16 13:25:02	mpan	Ingar: yeah, but it will choke on particular sectors and ddrescue is designed to skip over that.
2022-11-16 13:25:10	Ennea	Ingar, oh, i think i saw that tip on the wiki
2022-11-16 13:25:21	Ingar	mpan: that disk I was referring to actually locked itself up :D
2022-11-16 13:25:29	mpan	oh
2022-11-16 13:25:38	mpan	Then indeed ddrescue will be helpless.
2022-11-16 13:25:47	VinnySauce	I think ddrescue should work with the parameters I've given it, but the adapter itself just panics when the drive doesn't behave as expected
2022-11-16 13:25:57	VinnySauce	it's the interface that's the problem
2022-11-16 13:26:00	Ingar	mpan: I guestimated what portions of the disk for ddrescue to skip, that worked
2022-11-16 13:26:14	VinnySauce	I suppose I could try reverse mode
2022-11-16 13:26:25	VinnySauce	if there's just a few bad sectors at the start of the disk, maybe the good stuff is at the end
2022-11-16 13:27:03	Ingar	there are quite a few tricks you can pull with ddrescue, especially if you start messing with the map file
2022-11-16 13:27:10	mpan	I think ddrescue also has some way to set starting offset (dd_rescue certainly does).
2022-11-16 13:30:20	VinnySauce	mpan https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/679490
2022-11-16 13:30:21	phrik	Title: How to change current copy position or skip over area in ddrescue - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2022-11-16 13:30:22	VinnySauce	trying this
2022-11-16 13:30:36	VinnySauce	luckily in dmesg I have the sector that's dodgy
2022-11-16 13:35:46	woland	need help building par on arch
2022-11-16 13:35:59	woland	it dies when Downloading Par152.tar.gz...
2022-11-16 13:36:16	woland	same from AUR with yay -S par
2022-11-16 13:37:08	MrElendig	post actual errors
2022-11-16 13:38:45	woland	MrElendig: http://0x0.st/oI2f.txt
2022-11-16 13:39:33	MrElendig	what is the full url?
2022-11-16 13:39:50	woland	full url to what?
2022-11-16 13:40:06	woland	to par?
2022-11-16 13:40:19	MrElendig	that its trying to download
2022-11-16 13:40:27	MrElendig	also to whatever aur package you are tyring to use
2022-11-16 13:40:28	Scimmia	have you read the comments?
2022-11-16 13:40:36	MrElendig	apparently the software is hosted on bitbucket now...
2022-11-16 13:40:52	MrElendig	as well as on his homepage
2022-11-16 13:41:26	woland	so can I use the pkgbuild with the source if I download it manually?
2022-11-16 13:41:38	MrElendig	one advantage of switching to github is that it actually has https
2022-11-16 13:41:58	MrElendig	s/github/bitbucket/
2022-11-16 13:46:08	woland	ok this is the real repo for par
2022-11-16 13:46:09	woland	https://bitbucket.org/amc-nicemice/par/src/master/
2022-11-16 13:46:11	phrik	Title: Bitbucket (at bitbucket.org)
2022-11-16 13:48:22	woland	oh boi, seems like Im gonna have to write my own make file for it
2022-11-16 13:53:52	MrElendig	just change the url in the PKGBUILD
2022-11-16 13:56:57	woland	MrElendig: I pointed make at protoMakefile 
2022-11-16 13:57:00	woland	that did it
2022-11-16 13:57:57	VinnySauce	ok, using ddrescue I was able to skip the bad sector, I have most of the drive including the end which I think is where the important partition stuff is
2022-11-16 13:58:13	VinnySauce	I'm gonna try to mount the img now in Windows so I can run a chkdsk on it
2022-11-16 14:01:58	Ennea	good luck!\
2022-11-16 14:04:05	zeewark1	is there a neat method to create a user within a chroot env made by mkarchroot? Its just for building packages with makepkg 
2022-11-16 14:22:25	lolok	zeewark1 are you thinking of using build tools as install tools? that would be a pretty cool hack, probably not impossible but a challenge maybe
2022-11-16 14:43:02	mpan	VinnySauce: did it work?
2022-11-16 14:43:28	VinnySauce	mpan good timing! I was able to use TestDisk under Windows to read the disk image, and it found an NTFS partition
2022-11-16 14:43:36	VinnySauce	I was able to list the files in the partition and copy them off safely
2022-11-16 14:43:42	VinnySauce	looks like a lot of data is there!
2022-11-16 14:43:53	mpan	\o/
2022-11-16 14:44:07	VinnySauce	so the files are safe. I'm still struggling to actually /fix/ the image so it can be directly mounted on Windows though
2022-11-16 14:46:01	mpan	VinnySauce: what was the exact command you used, if you still have it in history?
2022-11-16 14:48:03	VinnySauce	mpan it was example 3 from here: https://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/manual/ddrescue_manual.html#Examples
2022-11-16 14:48:05	phrik	Title: GNU ddrescue Manual (at www.gnu.org)
2022-11-16 14:48:15	VinnySauce	but I didn't do the reverse
2022-11-16 14:48:43	VinnySauce	in the dmesg error message when the drive encounted a problem, it gave the sector that it panicked at
2022-11-16 14:49:22	VinnySauce	so I converted that into bytes, and added like 500 MB, and continued with that offset
2022-11-16 14:49:22	mpan	VinnySauce: I know what is the manual, but I want to put that in the wiki and want to double check my idea is right.
2022-11-16 14:49:52	mpan	Did you use -i on a fresh output file? Or did you use -i to overwrite existing file?
2022-11-16 14:49:57	amosbird	Hello! I remember there is a description string of resolution which looks like :  "1920hx1080w+30"  but I cannot remember what it is and how it looks like
2022-11-16 14:50:01	VinnySauce	overwrite existing mpan
2022-11-16 14:50:03	mpan	ok
2022-11-16 14:50:09	mpan	Thanks
2022-11-16 14:50:24	VinnySauce	I think the offset ensures that you don't overwrite the existing data in the img
2022-11-16 14:50:30	VinnySauce	so I was writing to a .img file, not another drive
2022-11-16 14:50:42	VinnySauce	but for ddrescue that doesn't matter
2022-11-16 14:51:26	VinnySauce	testdisk is really what saved me because it could see the NTFS partition inside the .img
2022-11-16 14:54:19	mpan	Yep, it seems so.
2022-11-16 14:58:27	VinnySauce	mpan I've managed to go even further! You can use testdisk to create a .img from any partition that it finds
2022-11-16 14:58:57	VinnySauce	So I did that, then mounted the .img using ImDisk under Windows, and it works - I can access it like a native disk now
2022-11-16 14:59:12	VinnySauce	so I'm running chkdsk on the drive
2022-11-16 14:59:21	Hylden	For some reason -- after a package update -- whenever I finish a task, I heard this droplet noise. Know which package added it in?
2022-11-16 14:59:28	VinnySauce	this way I end up with a clean .img that I can image onto a USB stick or something
2022-11-16 15:02:36	mpan	:)
2022-11-16 15:12:46	cyphertite	amosbird:  from the running system in question, what does `xrandr` show?
2022-11-16 15:19:10	analoq	im trying to securely delete a hdd. How do i find the correct blocksize for dd ?
2022-11-16 15:19:47	analoq	google says 4kb with emulation (512). Does that mean 4096 is the correct value to pass to dd?
2022-11-16 15:19:51	grawity	no
2022-11-16 15:20:15	grawity	dd blocksize doesn't really need to correspond to the disk sector
2022-11-16 15:20:39	analoq	i thought it would be fastest that way :/
2022-11-16 15:20:48	analoq	But i guess you are right, thats what the cache is for
2022-11-16 15:21:00	grawity	as the /dev/sd* devices are buffered, it's fine *and much faster* if dd is told to read e.g. 256 or 1024 sectors all at once
2022-11-16 15:21:07	grawity	that's one kernel call for read and one for write
2022-11-16 15:21:25	grawity	while if you use bs=512, then it takes 256 calls to read 256 sectors
2022-11-16 15:21:31	analoq	so as long as bs= is reasonably large, it shouldnt matter?
2022-11-16 15:21:45	grawity	reasonably large and preferably a power of two (and a multiple of sector size)
2022-11-16 15:21:50	grawity	so like bs=1M or bs=16M
2022-11-16 15:22:02	analoq	sounds good
2022-11-16 15:24:14	cyphertite	analoq:  nah, that is ^correct, but you may also want to read the cryptsetup FAQs, first, and I do mean even if your spinning rust is not encrypted :)  https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup/-/blob/main/FAQ.md
2022-11-16 15:24:15	phrik	Title: FAQ.md · main · cryptsetup / cryptsetup · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2022-11-16 15:37:08	analoq	cyphertite: what part do you mean exactly?
2022-11-16 15:37:36	analoq	and yes the drive wasn't encrypted
2022-11-16 15:41:03	cyphertite	analoq:  Not sure why that ^link didn't work for you, but I meant read ALL of:  https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup/-/wikis/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
2022-11-16 15:41:05	phrik	Title: FrequentlyAskedQuestions · Wiki · cryptsetup / cryptsetup · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2022-11-16 15:42:21	cyphertite	most folks can learn...A LOT :D
2022-11-16 15:44:49	analoq	cyphertite: no argument there. the thing is ppl on irc tend to just throw out links to generic articles to answer specific questions. If i were to read everything I got posted i wouldnt get anything done :P
2022-11-16 15:45:26	damjan	sure, it's much better for other people to read it all, and solve your problems, while you get to do your things :D
2022-11-16 15:45:34	analoq	my newer drives are all luks encrypted
2022-11-16 15:46:33	analoq	damjan: i mean my question was about 'securely deleting a hdd', i got a link to a luks faq and asked to read it :P
2022-11-16 15:47:48	cyphertite	analoq:  understood, but those specific FAQs have been relied on by MANY smart folks...for MANY years!  Pay attention when you have time...
2022-11-16 15:48:47	analoq	cyphertite: i will. Usually i do read before i ask :3
2022-11-16 15:48:56	Arsimael	According to my sound problem yesterday: uninstalled pulseaudio, installed pipewire-pulseaudio and removed plasma-pa. Then stopped and disabled pulseaudio.socket and used kmix (not the applet). and boom: suddenly it works...
2022-11-16 15:49:57	damjan	plasma-pa should work
2022-11-16 15:52:47	Arsimael	plasma-pa does work. But plasma-pa and kmix seemd not to be able to work together. 
2022-11-16 15:52:58	cyphertite	analoq:  just a hint:  Milan and Arno (the cryptsetup devs and the authors) behind their fine FAQs document ARE really smart!
2022-11-16 15:53:07	Arsimael	If I set an audio device as "primary" in plasma-pa, it does not become the main device in kmix
2022-11-16 15:54:00	Arsimael	Plus: I am having two mixers in the taskbar
2022-11-16 15:57:47	zeewark1	lolok: I made a chroot env for building a initrmfs but I need some AUR packages and 32bit AUR packages, these need to be build. I get a PKGBUILD file, which pkg makepkg refuses to build as root
2022-11-16 16:05:02	lolok	zeewark1 if thats the only issue iirc you can `sudo -u nobody makepkg ...` and that should work
2022-11-16 16:06:03	jelle	zeewark1: for building 32 bit aur packages multilib-build
2022-11-16 16:07:01	jelle	why do you need a chroot env for building initramfs?
2022-11-16 16:07:34	lolok	i was gonna ask that, and then i was thinking what 32 bit aur pkgs could be needed in the chroot, then i decided not to ask lol
2022-11-16 16:11:19	zeewark1	I need a lib32-udev-*something, and the only package I can find in custom is lib32-eudev and in AUR lib32-libudev0-shim-nosystemd
2022-11-16 16:12:03	zeewark1	they are both in conflict with systemd and its component because eudev is the udev of open-rc
2022-11-16 16:12:36	zeewark1	a nimble replacement for systemd, another init Daemon
2022-11-16 16:12:48	jelle	zeewark1: then the answer is to write your own PKGBUILD
2022-11-16 16:13:15	zeewark1	pew 
2022-11-16 16:13:28	zeewark1	that's a lot to do
2022-11-16 16:13:40	jelle	zeewark1: not really, you can take the udev PKGBUILD as example
2022-11-16 16:13:56	zeewark1	maybe
2022-11-16 16:14:24	jelle	zeewark1: hmm what needs lib32-udev?
2022-11-16 16:14:55	zeewark1	test application for embedded devices
2022-11-16 16:15:19	zeewark1	nothing of Arch, out custom software
2022-11-16 16:15:32	zeewark1	s/t/r
2022-11-16 16:17:47	throstur	norhing indeed.
2022-11-16 16:19:08	zeewark1	;-) s/out/our/g
2022-11-16 16:58:54	rounak	whenever I try to change a tilling window to stacking in i3. I get this shadow effects. http://0x0.st/oILw.png
2022-11-16 16:58:57	rounak	I am using picom 
2022-11-16 17:00:08	rounak	I can see transparent shadow of a window .
2022-11-16 17:01:50	Foxboron	rounak: i3 or i3-gaps?
2022-11-16 17:02:20	rounak	i3-gaps
2022-11-16 17:02:41	Foxboron	It's expected behaviour. It's why the patch set couldn't be upstreamed
2022-11-16 17:03:10	rounak	Is there any way to disable it ?
2022-11-16 17:03:14	Foxboron	However, Michael has now merged and fixed all these bugs for the upcommign i3 release. So the i3-gaps package is going to be removed Soon™️
2022-11-16 17:03:17	Foxboron	rounak: disable what?
2022-11-16 17:03:40	rounak	Sorry I mean is there any workaround for this bug ?
2022-11-16 17:03:51	Foxboron	Disable the gaps feature
2022-11-16 17:05:29	rounak	Still having the same issue
2022-11-16 17:05:32	rounak	with gaps disabled
2022-11-16 17:05:59	rounak	Here is my i3 config http://0x0.st/oILG.txt
2022-11-16 17:06:33	Foxboron	Did you disable the gaps and restart i3, or did you use the gaps mode you have there?
2022-11-16 17:09:09	rounak	I did Mod4+shift+c and I did not use any gaps mode
2022-11-16 17:09:59	rounak	https://i.imgur.com/1vqKAj3.png
2022-11-16 17:12:37	Foxboron	Then its maybe picom and not i3-gaps
2022-11-16 17:52:32	bluetail	rounak you like cherry tree blossoms?
2022-11-16 17:52:57	rounak	ye 
2022-11-16 17:53:00	rounak	I do
2022-11-16 17:53:32	bluetail	purchase cherry tree water for only 99.99$ now. :D
2022-11-16 17:53:36	rounak	Btw I think this is a nice rice - https://i.imgur.com/AYJ8c6W.jpg
2022-11-16 17:53:38	bluetail	yea I like those too
2022-11-16 17:54:10	bluetail	#archlinux-offtopic
2022-11-16 18:10:57	B-|	i don't see mandoc documented on the archwiki
2022-11-16 18:11:14	B-|	makewhatis is nowhere mentioned
2022-11-16 18:11:34	jelle	B-|: noted
2022-11-16 18:12:12	jelle	B-|: now what is the actual issue? :p
2022-11-16 18:12:44	B-|	why doesn't the mandoc package call makewhatis on its own
2022-11-16 18:12:59	B-|	on install and run on package install
2022-11-16 18:14:44	jelle	B-|: if you think it should !bugs
2022-11-16 18:16:45	Guimauve	the man pages should already be compiled, and man page lookup is enabled by the man-db service and timer
2022-11-16 18:16:58	Guimauve	which integrates with the gnome and kde help search systems
2022-11-16 18:18:42	Guimauve	or man -H foo will use the BROWSER variable to open your browser to an html version of that man page
2022-11-16 18:18:49	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-11-16 18:21:40	B-|	man-db service?
2022-11-16 18:21:42	B-|	what
2022-11-16 18:22:42	teraflops	systemctl cat man-db
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2022-11-16 18:24:58	B-|	is it enabled by default?
2022-11-16 18:25:05	B-|	what the hell
2022-11-16 18:25:17	B-|	why can't it be run on package install
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2022-11-16 18:26:32	Scimmia	because it takes a long time
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2022-11-16 18:27:23	Guimauve	B-| - you can change that behavior if you want
2022-11-16 18:27:32	lurst	Hi, I'm having an issue with my laptop, it's a thinkpad T490 without dedicated graphics card. I have the intel driver installed and it works fine apart from two issues: On laptop, sometimes the screen freezes for a bit (I've had this issue in the past, don't recall how I fixed it) and the new issue is that when I'm plugged to a USB-C Hub to a monitor, sometimes, the screen turns off, hard to
2022-11-16 18:27:33	lurst	reproduce, it hapens like 3 times in a row and then stops for a while.
2022-11-16 18:27:38	Guimauve	B-| - create a file in /etc/pacman.d/hooks/ to do it https://man.archlinux.org/man/alpm-hooks.5.en
2022-11-16 18:27:40	phrik	Title: alpm-hooks(5) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2022-11-16 18:27:54	Edu4rdSHL	The systemd timer is enable by default for man-db
2022-11-16 18:27:59	Edu4rdSHL	enabled *
2022-11-16 18:28:14	B-|	Edu4rdSHL, Guimauve, Scimmia: thanks
2022-11-16 18:28:18	Guimauve	np
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2022-11-16 18:33:55	lurst	Just checked my other laptop that had this freezing issue, and I believe I fixed it by adding option "DRI" "2"
2022-11-16 18:33:56	Edu4rdSHL	lurst, Xorg or Wayland
2022-11-16 18:33:56	lurst	Xorg with i3
2022-11-16 18:33:56	cyphertite	lurst:  first, and most basic, is your laptop fully updated, and rebooted?
2022-11-16 18:33:56	Edu4rdSHL	lurst, is xf86-video-intel installed?
2022-11-16 18:33:56	lurst	Yes cyphertite, this happened in different days post/pre update reboot
2022-11-16 18:33:56	cyphertite	k
2022-11-16 18:33:56	lurst	Yes, xf86-video-intel installed
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2022-11-16 18:33:56	lurst	Also mesa
2022-11-16 18:33:56	Edu4rdSHL	Remove it and config that you have generated for it, then restart, that should fix your problem
2022-11-16 18:33:56	Edu4rdSHL	and the config *
2022-11-16 18:33:56	Edu4rdSHL	That driver is very well known to only cause trouble :p
2022-11-16 18:33:56	lurst	I didn't have a config, but I'm gonna add a file 20-intel.conf now, to see if it helps
2022-11-16 18:33:56	lurst	Oh, really Edu4rdSHL ? :( I thought intel was a good one for laptops
2022-11-16 18:33:56	Edu4rdSHL	I mean, intel is, but that specific driver is not
2022-11-16 18:33:56	Edu4rdSHL	Intel can work very well with mesa
2022-11-16 18:33:56	lurst	Ahhh OK
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2022-11-16 18:38:01	Namarrgon	s/mesa/modesetting/
2022-11-16 18:39:16	lurst1	Without xthe intel driver, I immediately got the issue, but it's not happening anymore, I need to further test to know if it worked
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2022-11-16 18:45:18	lurst1	OK, but most of my laptops have intel graphics cards, should I just mesa in all of them instead of that driver? Is mesa the better driver?
2022-11-16 18:45:18	artefact	you're always using mesa no matter what
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2022-11-16 18:47:31	lurst1	Problem still happening :( 
2022-11-16 18:47:48	lurst1	artefact: I guess that without the intel driver, I'm just using the ones included in mesa right?
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2022-11-16 18:49:29	Scimmia	with xorg
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2022-11-16 18:49:49	Scimmia	you shouldn't be using the intel ddx on anything made in the last 10 years
2022-11-16 18:50:24	lurst1	Thanks Scimmia !
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2022-11-16 19:13:29	jenia2	Hello. I can't see any options to connect to a WIFI. I can only do it through wpa_supplcant. I'm using gnome interface
2022-11-16 19:14:05	Namarrgon	did you install and setup networkmanager?
2022-11-16 19:14:24	jenia2	thanks. that was my next question: what am I missing :)
2022-11-16 19:14:25	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-16 19:14:30	jenia2	thanks Namarrgon as alaways!!
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2022-11-16 19:20:04	roxlu	hey! I've no idea what happened but suddenly when I e.g. run `pacman -S` or `reboot` I get a `libcrypto.so.1.1 cannot open shared object file`. I did a hard-reboot and now I get a kernel panic :) So I boot using my arch USB, ran arch-chroot. I'm curious if someon maybe knows how to fix this?
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2022-11-16 19:20:22	brjl	Smells like a partial upgrade...
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2022-11-16 19:22:10	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-11-16 19:23:17	roxlu	Hmm that could be the case ... is there a way to fix it?
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2022-11-16 19:24:13	gehidore	do a proper upgrade
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2022-11-16 19:24:57	teraflops	use pacman from the arch iso with the --root option
2022-11-16 19:25:07	teraflops	and -Syu
2022-11-16 19:25:27	roxlu	but I can't run `pacman` a it gives me that error
2022-11-16 19:25:37	teraflops	do not chroot
2022-11-16 19:26:09	teraflops	the arch iso ships pacman iirc or it just ships pacstrap?
2022-11-16 19:26:33	BrainDamage	pacstrap uses pacman
2022-11-16 19:26:36	roxlu	teraflops: you mean I should boot with a archiso/usb and then just run `pacman -Syu` ? how would it know where/what to install?
2022-11-16 19:27:25	tirnanog	with the --root option
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2022-11-16 19:27:32	teraflops	yeah
2022-11-16 19:27:39	teraflops	roxlu: mount the installation to /mnt or whatever 
2022-11-16 19:27:41	roxlu	ah! thanks, I'll google a bit 
2022-11-16 19:27:46	roxlu	thanks
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2022-11-16 19:33:47	Scimmia	It really is crazy how many people have been doing partial updates. Hopefully they learn from this.
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2022-11-16 19:34:45	roxlu	just to be sure ... I've got a `boot` and `root` partion; Do I mount them as if I would normally do when using `arch-chroot` but instead of doing the `arch-chroot` I use `pacman -Syyu -root /mnt/` ? 
2022-11-16 19:35:20	◣	xx (~xx@user/xx) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-11-16 19:35:56	roxlu	(minus the typos)
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2022-11-16 19:36:13	rcf	roxlu: you would need to do that, yes. 
2022-11-16 19:36:22	Scimmia	Yes, except the double y
2022-11-16 19:36:46	teraflops	I think many people is not aware that arch does not support versioned dependencies
2022-11-16 19:36:51	roxlu	thanks
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2022-11-16 19:39:31	roxlu	hmm I get "Partition / too full" :) 
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2022-11-16 19:40:29	Scimmia	Use --cachedir as well
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2022-11-16 19:41:49	roxlu	Thanks! That probably needs to point to `/mnt/var/cache/pacman/pkg` ?
2022-11-16 19:41:57	Scimmia	Yep
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2022-11-16 19:44:17	roxlu	Ok thanks, it's running now
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2022-11-16 19:51:44	jensen	where can i find the log for the boot messages before the prompt to login, e.g. [ OK ] ....
2022-11-16 19:52:07	rcf	jensen: journalctl
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2022-11-16 19:59:04	lairnc	light doesnt find my device
2022-11-16 19:59:27	lairnc	We couldn't find the specified device target at the path "/sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight"
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2022-11-16 20:02:53	teraflops	lairnc: did you take a look at the backlight wiki entry?
2022-11-16 20:03:03	teraflops	maybe you need to play with https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/backlight#Kernel_command-line_options
2022-11-16 20:03:04	phrik	Title: Backlight - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-11-16 20:15:20	jb1277976	lairnc: when i ran i3 in archlinux i had issues also with backlight. i was told to run this https://dpaste.org/U8OJQ do the steps install light then reboot. i have entries in my i3 config that say https://dpaste.org/iBAhd after i did all this i rebooted then i was able to change the brightness up and down 
2022-11-16 20:15:22	lairnc	i can echo a value into ../brightness
2022-11-16 20:15:25	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oIfL.M7gi90oy
2022-11-16 20:15:25	phrik	Title: dpaste/U8OJQ (Python) (at dpaste.org)
2022-11-16 20:16:45	jb1277976	lairnc: i've installed arch like 5 times and that backlight thing i pointed out worked all the time in i3
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2022-11-16 20:17:05	lairnc	what is %k
2022-11-16 20:17:29	jb1277976	lairnc: don't know i didn't ask question i just did it :P
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2022-11-16 20:18:23	jb1277976	brb, it should work lairnc 
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2022-11-16 20:18:42	jb1277976	somebody actually gave me that script or entry in this channel a while back
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2022-11-16 20:18:57	jb1277976	i just had it saved for when somebody needs it
2022-11-16 20:19:17	roxlu	Ok, now I'm getting "VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0.0)" 
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2022-11-16 20:19:45	Edu4rdSHL	lairnc, `man udev` will give you the answer for %k
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2022-11-16 20:20:49	roxlu	I first thought this had to do with my refind install; so I ran `refind-install` again and double checked the config which seems to be OK (didn't change actually)
2022-11-16 20:20:59	lairnc	Edu4rdSHL, thankyou
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2022-11-16 20:30:29	roxlu	This is full error I get: https://imgur.com/a/0jgqQsx any thoughts on how to debug/fix this?
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2022-11-16 20:40:41	roxlu	ah, ok `pacman -S linux` did the trick
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2022-11-16 20:41:59	brjl	s/grab/!grab
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2022-11-16 20:46:08	Koragg	Arch Linux without Linux the kernel just becomes Arch?
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2022-11-16 20:47:51	Edu4rdSHL	!grab Koragg 
2022-11-16 20:47:51	phrik	Edu4rdSHL: Bingpot!
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2022-11-16 20:49:32	brjl	pacman -S arch-without-the-linux
2022-11-16 20:49:46	brjl	Where's ArchHurd when we need it
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2022-11-16 20:55:06	uuidNuniq	roxlu: it is a initramfs problem, i think. `mkinitcpio -p linux` should work 
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2022-11-16 20:55:24	uuidNuniq	reinstall linux also does mkinitcpio for you. 
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2022-11-16 20:57:25	benpicco	Hi, is it possible to make a PR to an (outdated) AUR package?
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2022-11-16 20:58:45	Edu4rdSHL	benpicco, no, you can leave a comment with the patch if you want
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2022-11-16 21:01:51	roxlu	uuidNuniq: yeah, by running `pacman -S linux` I fixed it
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2022-11-16 21:12:14	Koragg	on a less silly note, is there any reason to do mkinitcpio -p linux (for each kernel one by one) vs mkinitcpio -P for all of them in one go?
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2022-11-16 21:16:45	arch-nemesis	It takes longer, if you're troubleshooting something that might be a factor
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2022-11-16 21:19:00	cippo85	hi big brains
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2022-11-16 21:19:35	cippo85	i have read all i needed to read as CODE OF CONDUCT and respenting the rules
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2022-11-16 21:20:08	cippo85	i keep settling in hoping not to get kicked out
2022-11-16 21:20:32	cippo85	cippo85
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2022-11-16 21:36:18	GuiToris	hey, how can I debug what the f is wrong with wpa_supplicant?
2022-11-16 21:36:34	GuiToris	I cannot connect to my hotspot
2022-11-16 21:36:45	keir	the journal is usually a good start
2022-11-16 21:37:11	keir	though if haven't debugged yet, how are you so sure it's wpa_supplicant?
2022-11-16 21:37:13	GuiToris	I tried journalctl -b
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2022-11-16 21:37:26	keir	GuiToris: tried what exactly?
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2022-11-16 21:38:20	GuiToris	I found an old post where they said there were some issues with wpa_supplicant and I downgraded it and it worked until I did a system update recently
2022-11-16 21:38:49	GuiToris	2.9 worked
2022-11-16 21:38:56	masterkorp	Hey guys, what networkmanager applet do you recomend for a xfce user? 
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2022-11-16 21:39:38	GuiToris	I don't know what the heck I could do... I'm not a programmer just a simple user
2022-11-16 21:40:51	NoobAlice	masterkorp: You want https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/network-manager-applet/
2022-11-16 21:40:54	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - network-manager-applet 1.30.0-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-11-16 21:41:00	keir	GuiToris: you don't have to be a programmer. but you do need to be able to independently troubleshoot when using Arch Linux. otherwise you're going to be struggling often.
2022-11-16 21:41:19	NoobAlice	masterkorp: It will appear in your Status Tray Plugin in the panel.
2022-11-16 21:41:26	keir	it sounds like you tried nothing and gave up
2022-11-16 21:41:33	masterkorp	thank you my friend NoobAlice
2022-11-16 21:41:42	GuiToris	keir, I'm getting tired of it :/
2022-11-16 21:41:42	NoobAlice	:)
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2022-11-16 21:42:13	keir	GuiToris: maybe try another distro then. this is what Arch Linux is like.
2022-11-16 21:43:08	GuiToris	I don't know, I've been using Linux since 2007 and I'm not that enthusiastic anymore
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2022-11-16 21:43:51	keir	this has nothing to do with Linux. you chose a distro which requires intimiate system administration. don't choose a distro that is so volatile if you're not into that.
2022-11-16 21:44:21	GuiToris	it's a good thing I didn't install Gentoo... that's what I wanted first
2022-11-16 21:45:08	GuiToris	I installed this in 2014, and I just don't want to deal with it anymore. There's always something that breaks
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2022-11-17 18:27:24	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-11-17 18:27:24	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1453 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1452 normals)
2022-11-17 17:12:56	Bayes	2 out of 3 monitors are like this, would this glitch be X or xfce? https://i.imgur.com/B557DRw.png
2022-11-17 17:14:48	artefact	you're not using either in the photo though?
2022-11-17 17:15:26	artefact	if you swap the monitors on your gpu, do the artefacts swap places too?
2022-11-17 17:17:28	Bayes	artefact, if I swap monitor the artefacts swap places too
2022-11-17 17:17:46	Bayes	looks a bit random but if I disconnect one of the monitors with artefacts, the artefact will move to another monitor o.o
2022-11-17 17:17:53	artefact	can you reproduce on the archiso?
2022-11-17 17:18:03	Bayes	what are you thinking artefact ?
2022-11-17 17:18:10	artefact	trying to rule out a bad kernel
2022-11-17 17:18:23	Bayes	I dont know, computer was working fine yesterday and I it started doing this even before running pacman today
2022-11-17 17:18:32	artefact	if archiso can reproduce, you likely have a bad gpu or bad (v)ram
2022-11-17 17:19:06	Bayes	I can't image why the kernel would go bad overnight
2022-11-17 17:19:34	MacGyver	Wouldn't hurt to do a paccheck on it either, though.
2022-11-17 17:19:41	MacGyver	Cosmic radiation is a thing.
2022-11-17 17:20:09	artefact	just try isolating the problem. plug each monitor on a different computer/device if you can. check cables one by one
2022-11-17 17:20:45	Bayes	ok I guess I'll need to work on the hardware side of things
2022-11-17 17:21:03	Bayes	man what a great way to kill productivity
2022-11-17 17:21:41	Bayes	so if I disconnect one of the glitchy screens, the glitch moves to the screen that's actually working fine
2022-11-17 17:21:54	Bayes	is that hinting something?
2022-11-17 17:26:19	Bayes	also for no apparent reason, starting today there's transparency in the GUI menues and a smooth transition between i3 workspaces
2022-11-17 17:52:22	eagle	Bayes: try out picom, and exec in your i3 config... and reload i3. it should take right away, and may very well fix that.
2022-11-17 17:54:06	eagle	if not, my next suggestion would be to verify you have updated to latest, and then to go through your nouv config
2022-11-17 17:54:47	eagle	NVS510 is displayport outputs?
2022-11-17 17:54:53	Bayes	eagle, gotcha
2022-11-17 17:55:07	Bayes	so I did reinstall mesa and nouveau today
2022-11-17 17:55:27	Bayes	just in case ,they were up to date but reran pacman again fwiw
2022-11-17 17:55:34	eagle	is that when it started?
2022-11-17 17:55:38	Bayes	yep that's displayport output
2022-11-17 17:56:03	Bayes	another thing I'll be trying is switching monitors one by one, in pairs, etc. see if there's a pattern or something
2022-11-17 17:56:13	Bayes	for example right now I'm working with one monitor only and it doesn't glitch
2022-11-17 17:56:45	eagle	wont be worth your time 
2022-11-17 17:57:06	Bayes	http://ix.io/4g91 drivers seem fine
2022-11-17 17:57:07	eagle	Are you dual monitor from two DP outputs on the card? or chaining DP?
2022-11-17 17:57:47	Bayes	card has 4 dp outputs, one cable goes to each monitor
2022-11-17 17:57:51	eagle	Got it
2022-11-17 17:58:08	eagle	Bayes: Now, does this issue exist with the nvidia proprietary drivers?
2022-11-17 17:58:19	Bayes	didn't try that
2022-11-17 17:59:12	eagle	I understand the reason for nouv, but if it doesnt artifact on nvidia drivers then its something within nouv.
2022-11-17 17:59:35	Bayes	yeah good call, gonna try that
2022-11-17 17:59:40	eagle	I know you said your xeon doesnt have an iGPU, what model is it? ( cat /proc/cpuinfo )
2022-11-17 18:00:00	Bayes	Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2658 v2 @ 2.40GHz
2022-11-17 18:00:37	Bayes	I could swear there has been no change in my software so I don't know how this all happened overnight
2022-11-17 18:00:46	Bayes	truly puzzling
2022-11-17 18:01:01	brjl	Bayes: You said you use three monitors?
2022-11-17 18:01:13	Bayes	yep
2022-11-17 18:01:21	brjl	And how are they connected?
2022-11-17 18:02:03	eagle	Bayes: you are correct, no iGPU... you dont need mesa installed
2022-11-17 18:02:06	Bayes	one cable from one dp output to the monitor, no adapter or bridge or anything
2022-11-17 18:02:28	brjl	Huh. I was going to ask about adapters.
2022-11-17 18:02:37	eagle	Bayes: or at least you dont need installed by hand, you can allow pacman, nvidia, or nouv to handle dependencies if needed
2022-11-17 18:02:46	Bayes	eagle, no mesa? I was just following this https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Nouveau#Installation
2022-11-17 18:02:47	phrik	Title: Nouveau - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-17 18:03:00	Bayes	ok so the one I need is xf86-video-nouveau
2022-11-17 18:03:02	Bayes	right?
2022-11-17 18:03:09	eagle	Bayes: yes
2022-11-17 18:03:15	Bayes	gotcha
2022-11-17 18:03:52	eagle	Bayes: I was stating that from the angle of "let the headend driver (your nvidia cards driver (nvidia / nouv) handle the dependency, either automagically via pacconf or by following instructions.
2022-11-17 18:04:09	eagle	Bayes: that said... I bet you wont have issues with the nvidia proprietary driver
2022-11-17 18:04:23	Bayes	so you think it's a weird nouveau glitch?
2022-11-17 18:05:29	Bayes	ok so do I just modprobe nouveau and install nvidia from pacman? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#Installation
2022-11-17 18:05:30	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-17 18:07:28	eagle	Bayes: You have a couple of options of nvidia right now: nvidia proprietary, nvidia-open ( https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/nvidia-open/ ), and nouv
2022-11-17 18:07:30	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - nvidia-open 520.56.06-9 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-11-17 18:08:27	Edu4rdSHL	There aren't reasons to use the proprietary nvidia driver unless your card is too old and only supported by nouveau
2022-11-17 18:09:01	eagle	Edu4rdSHL: we arent having this conversation now
2022-11-17 18:09:03	Edu4rdSHL	to not use *
2022-11-17 18:09:07	eagle	Edu4rdSHL: nvm <3
2022-11-17 18:09:09	eagle	lol
2022-11-17 18:09:31	MacGyver	(Or the Nvidia driver crashes when you try to use hardware decoding)
2022-11-17 18:09:37	eagle	Edu4rdSHL: other reasons would include sway/wayland on optimus machines (like mine)... i dont get to use my external mon's with nvidia-prop
2022-11-17 18:09:41	MacGyver	But no *a priori* reasons.
2022-11-17 18:09:47	eagle	rtue
2022-11-17 18:10:13	Tom^	Edu4rdSHL: d3 powermanagement with laptops
2022-11-17 18:10:34	eagle	aha
2022-11-17 18:10:51	eagle	i fried/bricked my DP chip tryign to enable D3 control in BIOS
2022-11-17 18:10:59	eagle	did it while I was also updating the BIOS
2022-11-17 18:11:05	eagle	big mistakey boi
2022-11-17 18:12:10	eagle	Tom^: well rather... switching from D3 native to D3 OS control
2022-11-17 18:18:22	eagle	Bayes: how we doin?
2022-11-17 18:27:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-11-17 18:43:32	Bayes	eagle, waiting on some data transfer to be done before I can reboot
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2022-11-17 18:48:10	eagle	cool cool
2022-11-17 18:48:13	eagle	so hows life?
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2022-11-17 18:48:15	eagle	doing good?
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2022-11-17 18:50:25	Bayes	idk, a bit flatter than I'd like it to tbh
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2022-11-17 19:17:27	tusko	systemd-boot bby
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2022-11-17 20:00:18	lairnc	should i configure dns in arch or is it already okay with defaults?
2022-11-17 20:00:41	lairnc	i mean, in terms of security. over TLS  or https
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2022-11-17 20:01:02	Namarrgon	by default dns isn't set up
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2022-11-17 20:01:21	lairnc	i have networkmanager
2022-11-17 20:01:21	ℹ 	cdown_ es conocido ahora como cdown
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2022-11-17 20:02:02	Namarrgon	using dhcp?
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2022-11-17 20:03:09	lairnc	i think, yeah
2022-11-17 20:03:12	Gagis	almost all internet connections automatically get the dns information from your internet service provider. there isnt typically a need to touch it unless you wish to use some third party dns server or somesuch
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2022-11-17 20:05:02	Guimauve	my ISP is shite and their dns servers are shite, but even then I configure those on the router and don't have to touch a thing OS-side
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2022-11-17 20:06:48	lairnc	Namarrgon, what did you configure?
2022-11-17 20:06:52	another|	assuming you have control over the router/dhcp server
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2022-11-17 20:07:40	Guimauve	fair.
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2022-11-17 20:09:52	pedro_	Hi! I'm having issues with Firefox browser. The log output is scarse and unrelated to my problem, and I'm not sure which launch parameters might help. How can I get a more verbose log so I can troubleshoot whats causing the freezing? Thanks!
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2022-11-18 12:25:10	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-11-18 12:25:10	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1432 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1431 normals)
2022-11-17 21:23:43	eagle	ya no
2022-11-17 21:23:46	eagle	go learn
2022-11-17 21:23:48	eagle	<3
2022-11-17 21:23:53	Mathisen	haha i tried :)
2022-11-17 21:23:57	eagle	<3 :D
2022-11-17 21:26:19	eagle	Mathisen: you also pasted a duplicative line... you have mltiple calls...
2022-11-17 21:26:24	eagle	to the same flags
2022-11-17 21:26:30	eagle	maybe check that out
2022-11-17 21:26:43	eagle	or just maybe use defaults, 30GB aint nothin these days
2022-11-17 21:29:47	Mathisen	im thinking of people on bad wifi this specific ova image is a arch vm fiilled with specific dev tools for https://gritlab.ax/ so i want i smaller. but this is just in testing still. way better ways to make the image smaller
2022-11-17 21:29:48	phrik	Title: grit:lab – learn to code and change the game (at gritlab.ax)
2022-11-17 21:30:24	eagle	At this point, you aren't talking much of a difference.
2022-11-17 21:34:01	jkc	Mathisen: 7zip flags aren't going to gain you anything meaningful.
2022-11-17 21:35:14	Mathisen	yeah i have done some more reading, and from my understanding ova images is just a tar file anyway ?
2022-11-17 21:48:44	CubeTheThird	so I passed nvidia-drm.modeset=1 to my boot parameters, and I see it under /proc/cmd, but not in sysctl -a. Is that a problem?
2022-11-17 22:12:12	susi	pedro_: it's just that... now that firefox has ~3% of total user base, it's no more profitable to 'hack' firefox (make bad stuff to target ff users), as those 3% are probably more security-/privacy-wise persons than the rest, and 3% is anyways just too few
2022-11-17 22:12:50	susi	so it should be kinda good a choice for a paranoid person like me, at least better than, say, chrome or browsers based on it
2022-11-17 22:30:07	pedro_	Thats a sound argument. Yeah, I feel kinda dumb using Google products
2022-11-17 22:33:09	jkc	pedro_: It's really not a sound argument. That also means 3% of the attention from people trying to find security issues. That argument ends up being a wash.
2022-11-17 22:49:16	arch-nemesis	wow 3%. I had no idea it had dropped so far.
2022-11-17 22:50:35	gaku	don't trust browser, just sandbox browser
2022-11-17 22:51:05	gaku	don't wanna share stuff across instances, then isolate instances for certain sites
2022-11-17 22:51:41	gaku	if browser is hacked, sandbox protecc, if isolation is done, well, its only gonna be an issue with whatever is in that specific isolation
2022-11-17 22:56:03	StarKrafter	a bit unrelated but i will get a new laptop to run arch on it and use it mainly for web development and development in general
2022-11-17 22:56:21	StarKrafter	i found 2  both with 16gb ram but different cpu's. which one do you suggest?
2022-11-17 22:56:22	StarKrafter	https://versus.com/en/amd-ryzen-5-5500u-vs-amd-ryzen-7-4700u
2022-11-17 22:56:24	phrik	Title: AMD Ryzen 5 5500U vs AMD Ryzen 7 4700U: What is the difference? (at versus.com)
2022-11-17 22:56:37	StarKrafter	one has 6 cores 12 threads, the other 8 cores, 8 threads
2022-11-17 22:57:32	jelle	StarKrafter: the 7 series might be more power efficient
2022-11-17 22:57:39	jelle	and faster integrated graphics possibly
2022-11-17 22:58:11	StarKrafter	jelle i am looking at the cpu mostly. in general how important are threads vs cores for multitasking?
2022-11-17 22:58:19	StarKrafter	chrome with several tabs open, ide, etc
2022-11-17 22:58:30	jelle	StarKrafter: yes, I am also looking at the cpu :P
2022-11-17 22:58:43	StarKrafter	i mean not the graphics part of it
2022-11-17 22:58:54	jelle	StarKrafter: sure
2022-11-17 22:59:16	jelle	the more cores the merrier ofcourse
2022-11-17 22:59:29	StarKrafter	it has no multithreading. doesnt chrome need threads?
2022-11-17 23:01:39	jelle	StarKrafter: those are different threads
2022-11-17 23:02:00	StarKrafter	jelle in linux their called vcpus are they different from the classic threads?
2022-11-17 23:02:14	StarKrafter	does one thread run on one vcpu?
2022-11-17 23:09:42	eagle	StarKrafter: 7 series, better single-threaded performance, moderate multi tasking capability, and it benchmarks better 
2022-11-17 23:10:51	eagle	StarKrafter: the worst youll see in webdev is running multiple local services, punching some docker stuff or aws stuff, or maybe testing some backend stuff. 
2022-11-17 23:23:50	StarKrafter	eagle so you suggest 8 cores vs 6 cores with hyper threading
2022-11-17 23:24:07	StarKrafter	will be using chrome with many tabs, ide, and docker/containers
2022-11-17 23:25:24	eagle	StarKrafter: you may find better scheduling for your many containers on an AMD with SMT 
2022-11-17 23:25:50	cockroach	!paste
2022-11-17 23:25:50	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-11-17 23:26:19	eagle	StarKrafter: but your performance isnt necessarily going to be all that better... SMT doesnt mean you have X more purely concurrent CPUs... its still 6 CPU's handling the scheduled tasks of 12 virtual CPU's... 
2022-11-17 23:26:49	eagle	at this level of CPU's... you are not going to see an incredible difference between the two. you will more often handle single threaded tasks anyways... 
2022-11-17 23:27:04	eagle	if you were running 20 containers... I would feel a bit different...
2022-11-17 23:27:16	StarKrafter	eagle i wont be running many containers, max 3
2022-11-17 23:28:31	eagle	If you arent going to be doing parellel processing a ton... no need for SMT/HT
2022-11-17 23:28:39	eagle	and I mean... like video encoding/decoding work
2022-11-17 23:28:43	eagle	transcoding... etc
2022-11-17 23:29:03	eagle	Would be more suited for an SMT/HT cpu. 
2022-11-17 23:30:35	StarKrafter	eagle what about compiling?
2022-11-17 23:30:41	StarKrafter	rust, or running nodejs
2022-11-17 23:30:47	StarKrafter	or python or jvm
2022-11-17 23:34:11	demonicmaniac1	StarKrafter: you should get a 5600u or 5625u instead, both 5500u and 4700u are old zen2
2022-11-17 23:34:50	StarKrafter	the price range increases. those laptops are about 600 euros each
2022-11-17 23:35:28	StarKrafter	also is lenovo build quality better than hp in that range? i read online hp sucks but not sure if this is true
2022-11-17 23:36:02	demonicmaniac1	german or where from with euro? theres currently some sales 5500u for 450€ in de
2022-11-17 23:36:30	StarKrafter	demonicm1niac italy
2022-11-17 23:36:47	demonicmaniac1	also depends on series simply. hp probooks are ok, the 255 sort of acceptable, lenovi i wouldnt ge anything below thinkbook or e series thinkpad
2022-11-17 23:36:59	StarKrafter	ok let me see
2022-11-17 23:37:57	demonicmaniac1	in all of europe both hp and lenovo should have student and education deals much cheaper without windows
2022-11-17 23:38:13	demonicmaniac1	if youre in any way uni affiliated or student
2022-11-17 23:38:26	StarKrafter	demonicmaniac1 i have to pay for windows to uninstall it
2022-11-17 23:38:41	demonicmaniac1	edu models come without
2022-11-17 23:38:41	StarKrafter	most laptops have windows :(
2022-11-17 23:38:51	StarKrafter	demonicmaniac1 not sure where you find those
2022-11-17 23:40:17	StarKrafter	Laptop HP 15s-eq1016nv 15.6" 1920x1080 ,Ryzen 7 4700U,16GB,512GB,AMD Radeon Graphics,W10S,White
2022-11-17 23:40:40	StarKrafter	Laptop Lenovo IdeaPad 3 15ALC6 (AMD Ryzen 5-5500U/16GB/512GB SSD/AMD Radeon Graphics/Windows 11 S)
2022-11-17 23:40:43	StarKrafter	those two i found
2022-11-17 23:41:21	demonicmaniac1	lenovo calls them campus models and hp campus advantage
2022-11-17 23:41:45	demonicmaniac1	i don't know about italy i just know german and irish stores carrying them - they do require some form of proof you're in education in some way
2022-11-17 23:42:05	StarKrafter	demonicmaniac1 i only found that on german sites
2022-11-17 23:42:09	StarKrafter	the campus advantage
2022-11-17 23:45:02	demonicmaniac1	theyre both entirely plastic and pretty terrible quality but outside of education models or refurb youre not gonna find better for 600
2022-11-17 23:47:45	StarKrafter	demonicmaniac1 on my current hp 250 g6 laptop, the hinges that keep the screen broke. metal philips heads, screwed onto plastic frame...
2022-11-17 23:47:54	StarKrafter	engineering at its finest
2022-11-17 23:48:52	demonicmaniac1	you get what you pay for. the 250 is still better quality than most pure plastic cheap laptops or god forbid super cheap super thin aluminum that bends the first time you grip it
2022-11-17 23:49:21	StarKrafter	also i had to change the fan 3 times.
2022-11-17 23:49:28	StarKrafter	although i was running gentoo on it
2022-11-17 23:49:33	StarKrafter	which might have played a role
2022-11-18 00:43:17	StarKrafter	do i need to disable secure boot to install arch in my bios?
2022-11-18 00:45:06	Namarrgon	the iso doesn't support SB, you probably have to disable it if you want to install arch
2022-11-18 00:45:47	Namarrgon	whether you want to configure arch for SB or not depends on you
2022-11-18 01:08:53	StarKrafter	Namarrgon does secure boot decrease performance with its checks etc?
2022-11-18 01:09:43	Namarrgon	performance of what?
2022-11-18 01:09:52	Namarrgon	in terms of boot time?
2022-11-18 01:10:21	Namarrgon	maybe but it's not noticeable
2022-11-18 01:10:41	Edu4rdSHL	It increases the boot time in 100ms!
2022-11-18 01:10:43	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-11-18 01:11:11	StarKrafter	also is there a way to encrypt my ssd but make it use hardware encryption
2022-11-18 01:11:15	StarKrafter	instead of doing it in software
2022-11-18 01:11:26	StarKrafter	do i just do it in the bios with a password?
2022-11-18 01:11:42	Namarrgon	if the firmware and the hardware supports it, yes
2022-11-18 02:32:46	MrElendig	note: software can often be better due to flexibility and not being locked to the hardware
2022-11-18 02:32:59	MrElendig	(also sometimes safer)
2022-11-18 02:33:46	MrElendig	eg some drives have a hardcoded key which you can't get rid of, which of course can be read from the chip, or in some cases, have been leaked
2022-11-18 02:36:25	eagle	thats why I always keep my most critical assets unlocked and in the window
2022-11-18 03:22:56	hendry	how do I test / know a udev rule has been run? https://gist.github.com/kaihendry/90155e25dd8c2cf289ac4e68e0ecf800
2022-11-18 03:30:35	espresso	hendry: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Udev#Debug_output may help
2022-11-18 03:30:37	phrik	Title: udev - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-18 04:26:02	hendry	espresso: thank you
2022-11-18 04:28:39	espresso	hendry: i get just some default summary udev journal entries ('audit'), and error entries should they return failure (code(?)) like hdparm not finding a device
2022-11-18 05:03:20	aod	i need a way to edit files please i was using nvim, but a need a better alternative
2022-11-18 05:03:30	aod	hi guys
2022-11-18 05:03:39	sheep	vi, vim, nano, emacs, joe
2022-11-18 05:04:14	aod	i realy dont know what just happen
2022-11-18 05:04:29	aod	how could i lost all my data on a file?
2022-11-18 05:04:40	aod	i just open it, and i got an accidental poweroff, and when i turn it on the file was empty
2022-11-18 05:05:08	sheep	that often happens if you accidentally power off before the OS flushed pending writes to the drive and you're using a journaled filesystem that doesn't journal data
2022-11-18 05:05:16	sheep	ext4 by default journals but does not journal data
2022-11-18 05:05:25	aod	no men i was reading
2022-11-18 05:05:50	aod	just reading 
2022-11-18 05:06:10	sheep	was it opened in a read-only mode?
2022-11-18 05:06:20	aod	no
2022-11-18 05:07:08	sheep	your editor might have either set something in the file or it changed the access time, the file was small enough to fit in the inode, but the write to the inode wasn't flushed to the drive
2022-11-18 05:07:16	aod	i just open it for to read
2022-11-18 05:07:20	sheep	did fsck run since you rebooted?
2022-11-18 05:07:29	sheep	I know, you only opened it to read.
2022-11-18 05:07:51	aod	nope
2022-11-18 05:08:01	sheep	fsck might be able to recover the data
2022-11-18 05:08:53	sheep	I have never had this issue with vim
2022-11-18 05:09:40	aod	maybe you just haven't a sudenly poweroff
2022-11-18 05:09:50	sheep	I have, several times
2022-11-18 05:10:05	sheep	what filesystem are you using? ext4?
2022-11-18 05:10:12	aod	yes
2022-11-18 05:10:37	sheep	you could enable data journaling for ext4 to help prevent powering off from corrupting data, but this will slow down writes
2022-11-18 05:11:11	aod	i stell dont get it, isn't like you got a poweroff and when turn on the hard drive is totaly empty?
2022-11-18 05:11:18	ectospasm	I haven't had a sudden power loss in Linux lose data in a really long time.
2022-11-18 05:11:29	ectospasm	aod: the whole filesystem is gone?  Or just one file?
2022-11-18 05:11:31	sheep	powering off shouldn't lose the entire drive's data
2022-11-18 05:11:52	aod	ectospasm i just say "like"
2022-11-18 05:11:54	sheep	usually you just see that the files that you were writing are empty or corrupted
2022-11-18 05:12:20	aod	ectospasm because if that happen with a file that i just open to read why not the whole system?
2022-11-18 05:12:33	sheep	did you disable the journal for ext4 or set barrier=0?
2022-11-18 05:13:04	aod	it was an important file, where the h i am gona get time to get it again?
2022-11-18 05:13:18	aod	sheep no
2022-11-18 05:13:41	aod	sheep i think barrier should be not 0
2022-11-18 05:13:54	sheep	if it's that important then you should have an Uninterruptable Power Supply and you should have covers over the power switches
2022-11-18 05:14:05	sheep	or have backups on another drive
2022-11-18 05:14:38	aod	i do like how Uninterruptable sounds
2022-11-18 05:15:16	ectospasm	It's just a fancy name for a battery that gives your system power in case of a brief power outage.
2022-11-18 05:15:36	ectospasm	Or at least, lets your system shutdown gracefully when power is lost.
2022-11-18 05:15:36	sheep	it might also have a surge protecor
2022-11-18 05:15:48	aod	sheep heh, like a human being
2022-11-18 05:15:59	JTL	iirc nvim might save a recovery/swap file when you open a file in it, and if it doesn't exit cleanly, that might still be somewhere
2022-11-18 05:16:14	aod	alive until god says
2022-11-18 05:16:16	sheep	I think it's .whatever.swp
2022-11-18 05:16:49	JTL	sheep: nvim saves them all in a dedicated directroy and encodes the original filename in the filename of the swapfile
2022-11-18 05:17:25	JTL	aod: Might be too late now if you've tried to monkey around with things, but I'm guessing `nvim -r` doesn't return anything fruitful (i.e, the existence of a swap file for the file you lost)
2022-11-18 05:19:39	aod	sheep honestly - Thats so akward and extremely expensive for a file or OS, for to avoid to lost data on a "PC".
2022-11-18 05:20:08	aod	sheep in that case i just recommend delete nvim
2022-11-18 05:20:29	aod	sheep i am not sure if is the problem
2022-11-18 05:20:39	sheep	this can happen with any app, not just nvim
2022-11-18 05:20:57	aod	who could delete the data, i think was nvim?
2022-11-18 05:21:28	sheep	anything that edits the file or, if it's small enough to fit in the inode, anything that changes metadata about it
2022-11-18 05:23:10	aod	well thanks guys, i will to choice to make a custom backup for my file, if that exist
2022-11-18 05:23:28	aod	text files
2022-11-18 05:26:45	aod	JTL i just press enter to open it
2022-11-18 05:27:02	JTL	hmm?
2022-11-18 05:28:22	aod	JTL and when reading i got a poweroff, them was empty whe i turn it on 
2022-11-18 05:28:40	JTL	I get that
2022-11-18 05:28:47	aod	linux is awesome
2022-11-18 05:29:43	aod	well thanks, hehe
2022-11-18 06:31:16	aod	hey now i know 100% that was nvim
2022-11-18 06:31:40	aod	sheep JTL help me again good man
2022-11-18 06:32:06	aod	now i remember was two (2) shutdowns
2022-11-18 06:32:55	JTL	hmm?
2022-11-18 06:36:25	aod	i open the file, i type lots of stuff, them boom poweroff, and on reboot some lines wasn't there even when i did save the file, "but din't close it"
2022-11-18 06:36:49	JTL	umm
2022-11-18 06:36:51	aod	so i think the first trouble was i dint close it
2022-11-18 06:37:03	JTL	wonder if I can reproduce this in a VM
2022-11-18 06:37:16	JTL	just hard poweroff the VM (i.e, not ACPI shutdown or restart)
2022-11-18 06:37:26	aod	should be
2022-11-18 06:38:08	aod	JTL because it writes on buffer, until you close the file
2022-11-18 06:54:22	tusko	did ydid didididiidiidiididdQAre "KDE Apps" themed through Qt? I don't know why but there are some apps I just can't get to theme right
2022-11-18 07:20:32	GuiToris	hey I am not sure about the syntax. If I'd like refer to all google services (maps.google.com, mail.google.com) is this the right syntax [*.]google.com ?
2022-11-18 07:21:20	braindamage	"the" syntax assumes there's only one
2022-11-18 07:21:42	braindamage	instead there's a multitude and depends on what program you're using
2022-11-18 07:22:14	GuiToris	chrome://settings/cookies
2022-11-18 07:22:29	GuiToris	and there's an add button
2022-11-18 09:08:02	zeewark1	hello, I installed some packages with pacman --noconfirm, but I now I need to build some packages on my site, makepkg invokes pacman to install needed dependencies. but here I cannot avoid confimance questions?
2022-11-18 09:08:57	zeewark1	is there a way to avoid these confimations?
2022-11-18 09:09:41	wunit	zeewark1: what's wrong with --noconfirm in makepkg?
2022-11-18 09:11:23	grawity	yeah just use noconfirm generally
2022-11-18 09:11:26	grawity	pkgs=$(pacman -T dep1 dep2 dep3) && if [[ $pkgs ]]; then pacman -S --needed --noconfirm $pkgs; fi
2022-11-18 09:11:51	grawity	if there's a situation where noconfirm defaults to 'n', there's usually a good reason for it to default to 'n'
2022-11-18 09:12:04	grawity	but if you really don't care, you can also pipe yes| to it
2022-11-18 09:12:15	grawity	please only do it in like docker or something
2022-11-18 09:20:38	zeewark1	didn't know that --noconfirm is a valid switch for makepkg. makepkg calls implicitly pacman in order to install dependencies. didn't know how to instuct pacman from my side
2022-11-18 09:20:49	zeewark1	but now it seems to work, thanks
2022-11-18 09:26:07	wunit	zeewark1: man makepkg, search for "confirm" :-)
2022-11-18 09:28:58	uuidNuniq	should i install openssl-1.1 also in case some package need it? can i have openssl and openssl-1.1 at the same time? is it safe? 
2022-11-18 09:34:49	grawity	yes, unless you somehow have a *library* that needs 1.1
2022-11-18 09:35:11	grawity	like if a program ends up needing both 3.0 and 1.1 at the same time (via library dependencies), things can get weird
2022-11-18 09:35:35	grawity	so you can install 1.1 but you *should* also rebuild all the AUR stuff for 3.0
2022-11-18 09:35:50	uuidNuniq	ok. then i'll install openssl-1.1 when needed. right now i don't have any issue 
2022-11-18 09:36:27	txtsd	How do I find a list of all installed applications that depend on, for example, gtk3?
2022-11-18 09:37:12	uuidNuniq	txtsd: pacman -Sii gtk3
2022-11-18 09:37:43	uuidNuniq	look at Required by 
2022-11-18 09:37:57	uuidNuniq	and check that list against installed packages... 
2022-11-18 09:38:13	txtsd	uuidNuniq: Not exactly the output I was looking for, but I can work with it. Thanks!
2022-11-18 09:38:16	txtsd	!next
2022-11-18 09:38:17	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-11-18 09:39:44	grawity	txtsd: pactree -r gtk3
2022-11-18 09:39:57	grawity	txtsd: pacman -Qii gtk3
2022-11-18 09:40:05	grawity	txtsd: expac -Q %N gtk3
2022-11-18 09:40:16	txtsd	grawity: The pactree one is excellent. Thank you!
2022-11-18 09:40:38	uuidNuniq	txtsd: for i in "list of required by" ; do if pacman -Qq i &>/dev/null ; then DEPS+=($i) ; fi ; done ; echo "${DEPS[@]}"
2022-11-18 09:41:15	uuidNuniq	well, -Qii works the best 
2022-11-18 09:41:27	uuidNuniq	sorry for my over complicated script 
2022-11-18 09:43:08	grawity	I don't remember if it's -Sii or -Qii that needs -i to be given twice for this
2022-11-18 09:43:13	grawity	but it doesn't hurt either way
2022-11-18 09:43:52	txtsd	No probs. These help a lot.
2022-11-18 10:41:59	Tom^	hrm anyone got any idea if i can somehow check if my hdmi is connected in the tty? xrandr kinda requires X running :p
2022-11-18 10:47:23	Tom^	/sys/class/drm/card1/card1-HDMI-A-1/status perhaps hm
2022-11-18 10:49:13	piie	does anybody else see strange font issue since libxft-2.3.7 update? I see 1 pixel cut on the left side with bold fonts in urxvt. downgrading to libxft-2.3.6 fixes it
2022-11-18 10:51:22	Ennea	not using urxvt. not seeing any font issues elsewhere (then again, no clue what else uses this lib)
2022-11-18 11:04:52	endre`	piie: oww
2022-11-18 11:05:22	endre`	i also use urxvt
2022-11-18 11:05:28	endre`	but not upgraded libxft yet
2022-11-18 11:05:54	piie	endre`: I can see that with urxvt*font: xft:MiscFixed:autohint=true:antialias=false:pixelsize=10 font
2022-11-18 11:06:47	endre`	tried this now and with 2.3.6, apparently everything looks ok
2022-11-18 11:07:45	piie	endre`: ok, curious what you'll see after update to 2.3.7
2022-11-18 11:09:24	endre`	same here
2022-11-18 11:10:27	endre`	i just upgraded it and launched a new (=non daemon) instance of urxvt
2022-11-18 11:10:30	endre`	looks ok, I guess
2022-11-18 11:11:27	endre`	and yes, it uses the upgraded one
2022-11-18 11:18:56	piie	have you checked bold fonts
2022-11-18 11:46:03	noze	what's the difference between the nvidia and nvidia-open packages? can someone explain it like i'm five please?
2022-11-18 11:46:28	jelle	noze: nvidia the official binary blob from nvidia (tm)
2022-11-18 11:46:42	jelle	nvidia-open - nvidia's attempt to write opensource drivers 
2022-11-18 11:46:54	jelle	so for stability you probably want nvidia
2022-11-18 11:54:59	noze	so what part has been open-sourced, and who is that relevant for? I'm hoping for better wayland support for nvidia eventually, compositor devs don't seem to be excited about but nvidia-open
2022-11-18 11:55:34	jelle	noze: the idea is that the whole driver ends up in the linux kernel
2022-11-18 11:56:06	Ennea	just like amd's, eh?
2022-11-18 11:56:21	jelle	yes
2022-11-18 11:56:28	jelle	except, not the userspace tooling :P
2022-11-18 11:57:11	rounak	I am using this earphone - (https://0x0.st/oIRT.png) . Is there a way to mute/umute microphone from terminal? Because it will be easier for me to create a polybar shotcut menu.
2022-11-18 11:57:20	rounak	microphone *
2022-11-18 11:57:32	rounak	not earphone *
2022-11-18 11:57:50	jelle	rounak: using pipewire?
2022-11-18 11:57:55	rounak	pulseaudio
2022-11-18 11:58:11	rounak	I am not a streamer. I don't need pipewire
2022-11-18 11:58:23	jelle	lol
2022-11-18 11:58:28	jelle	that is untrue
2022-11-18 11:58:52	jelle	rounak: using pactl I can set the volume of my speakers, so you should be able to mute/unmute your microphone as well
2022-11-18 11:59:42	rounak	can u give me the link to the archwiki ? 
2022-11-18 12:00:00	rounak	I don't know the commands of pactl
2022-11-18 12:05:54	wunit	!man pactl
2022-11-18 12:05:55	phrik	wunit: https://man.archlinux.org/man/pactl#
2022-11-18 12:06:37	wunit	("toggle" is probably the keyword that might help in there)
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2022-11-18 12:59:24	GuiToris	I have a question about chromium. Under security there's 'safe browsing' where 'no protection' was selected. I'm not sure if it's the default or I modified. Should I leave it as it is or should I enable standard or enhanced protection
2022-11-18 13:00:08	MacGyver	You should read what "safe browsing" in chromium does.
2022-11-18 13:00:17	MacGyver	And then make an informed decision on whether you want it.
2022-11-18 13:00:20	MacGyver	!next
2022-11-18 13:00:20	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-11-18 13:00:44	dagle	At my reading level, that wouldn't be safe.
2022-11-18 13:01:53	GuiToris	MacGyver, do you have it enabled?
2022-11-18 13:02:03	MacGyver	I don't use chromium.
2022-11-18 13:02:32	GuiToris	I never know what to do because I don't trust Google in the first place
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2022-11-18 13:02:54	GuiToris	their description is written by them
2022-11-18 13:03:02	MacGyver	If I did, I'd *probably* make sure it uses the v4 Update API and then I'd be fine with it.
2022-11-18 13:03:16	GuiToris	I'll check
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2022-11-18 13:04:31	GuiToris	"Sends additional info to Google about your activity"
2022-11-18 13:06:12	GuiToris	They check for me to see if my password is present on the internet
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2022-11-18 13:17:57	cyphertite	GuiToris:  if you insist on running chromium; consider running ungoogled-chromuim.  Either build it yourself from justkidding's AUR, or download his Arch binary from here:  https://software.opensuse.org//download.html?project=home%3Ajustkidding%3Aarch&package=ungoogled-chromium
2022-11-18 13:17:57	phrik	Title: Install package home:justkidding:arch / ungoogled-chromium (at software.opensuse.org)
2022-11-18 13:17:59	◣	Major_Biscuit (~MajorBisc@2a02-a461-129d-1-193d-75d8-745d-e91e.fixed6.kpn.net) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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2022-11-18 13:18:50	ℹ 	agarr1 es conocido ahora como agarr
2022-11-18 13:19:10	GuiToris	hmmm, opensuse?
2022-11-18 13:19:19	GuiToris	what does it have to do with arch?
2022-11-18 13:20:03	Foxboron	GuiToris: OBS is the build service from SUSE
2022-11-18 13:20:12	Foxboron	and "ungoogled-chromium" doesn't really do anything
2022-11-18 13:20:23	cyphertite	GuiToris:  this is what is has to do with Arch:  'download his Arch binary from here:' 
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2022-11-18 13:20:48	GuiToris	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ungoogled-chromium-bin ???
2022-11-18 13:21:39	cyphertite	^and I did say:  consider running...
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2022-11-18 13:23:59	GuiToris	Although, it can be a good thing to be friends with the biggest criminal
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2022-11-18 13:26:45	mingdao	Brave seems to be an option for a Chrome based browser.
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2022-11-18 13:27:26	Gagis	I tried brave for a bit and it seemed fairly cool. their business model is really really weird but thats not really a problem for the user
2022-11-18 13:27:32	lurst	Question about buying a new laptop for work. How bad would it be for me to pick one with a graphics card? (meaning integrated + a beefier one) I recall this being a problem eons ago and I stuck to no-graphics card laptops ever since 
2022-11-18 13:27:47	Gagis	ended up going back to chrome from chromium and brave after google prevented google account login from derivative browsers tho
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2022-11-18 13:28:01	mingdao	lurst: There are listings for certain laptops online.  Which are you looking at?
2022-11-18 13:28:25	◣	evilpyro (~evilpyro@user/evilpyro) ha salido (Quit: Leaving)
2022-11-18 13:28:26	mingdao	lurst: Usually any with Intel / Nvidia options will work with Intel, even if Nvidia issues persist.
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2022-11-18 13:28:33	Gagis	arch wiki has instructions for configuring multi-gpu setups nowadays. they seem pretty mature at this point.
2022-11-18 13:28:40	Gagis	nvidia optimus and whatchamacallit other tech
2022-11-18 13:28:46	mingdao	Gagis: Is that the multihead article?
2022-11-18 13:29:08	Gagis	hybrid graphics
2022-11-18 13:29:09	lurst	Oh, sorry, I am going for a thinkpad no matter what, but I am limited in which models to pick and there's lots with only 16Gb of ram, the ones with higher ram have graphics card 
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2022-11-18 13:29:47	lurst	Good to know Gagis 
2022-11-18 13:30:22	mingdao	lurst: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Hybrid_graphics
2022-11-18 13:30:23	phrik	Title: Hybrid graphics - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-18 13:30:32	mingdao	lurst: Which model ThinkPad?
2022-11-18 13:30:38	Gagis	ah, prime was the other tech I couldnt remember the name of
2022-11-18 13:30:39	lurst	T14 or P14
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2022-11-18 13:30:59	Gagis	I have a T14 at work, its rather nice, tho mine is the AMD chip model
2022-11-18 13:31:17	lurst	Prime, right, I saw that, I just don't know how....stable it is. I mean, yesterday I found out the driver for intel I've been using isn't good, so maybe Prime isn't good either
2022-11-18 13:31:19	Gagis	IIRC many of the regular models are upgradeable from 16gb to 32gb too
2022-11-18 13:31:23	mingdao	https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T_Series
2022-11-18 13:31:25	phrik	Title: Category:T Series - ThinkWiki (at www.thinkwiki.org)
2022-11-18 13:31:35	mingdao	https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T14
2022-11-18 13:31:36	phrik	Title: Category:T14 - ThinkWiki (at www.thinkwiki.org)
2022-11-18 13:31:43	lurst	Gagis: Unfortunately I think T and X are soldered now :(
2022-11-18 13:31:56	teraflops	my experience with thinkpads is that I will never ever buy one again
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2022-11-18 13:32:25	mingdao	lurst: Google records every piece of data that flows through the internet now, so you can pretty much use a good search engine and find information about anything.
2022-11-18 13:32:39	⚡ 	mingdao hugs all his ThinkPads
2022-11-18 13:33:57	Gagis	lurst, oh, thats unfortunate
2022-11-18 13:34:59	rsaavedra	Hi. Question: Are there log files for the dialog screen after poweroff? I get an error message I cannot read as it is too fast.
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2022-11-18 13:35:21	braindamage	journalctl -b -1 will give you the previous boot
2022-11-18 13:35:27	braindamage	scroll all the way to the end
2022-11-18 13:35:58	rsaavedra	Right, thank you!
2022-11-18 13:36:13	braindamage	but bear in mind that if the error happens after the disks are unmounted, it'll never be recorded
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2022-11-18 13:39:51	cyphertite	GuiToris:  If you were trying to (poorly) imply that Google/Alphabet is the 'biggest criminal' you are 100% wrong.  Do NOT confuse the world's by far, largest, and most profitable, advertising agency with the 'biggest criminal'!  Many hundreds of assholes are vying for that title:  including, most recently, SBF and his FTX/Alameda Research/FTT loss/theft of $30+ BILLION (USD) in less than 48
2022-11-18 13:39:54	cyphertite	hours...
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2022-11-18 13:41:14	jelle	cyphertite: offtopic...
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2022-11-18 13:41:53	rsaavedra	braindamage: It is an error about unmounting an external drive that is not present, I automount it with fstab defaults,nofail,x-systemd.device-timeout=9s. How do I prevent autounmount when the device is not present?
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2022-11-18 13:45:20	cyphertite	jelle:  certainly, but I assume you recall that I remain banned from #AOT
2022-11-18 13:46:03	jelle	cyphertite: that does not matter
2022-11-18 13:46:18	cyphertite	noted
2022-11-18 13:47:20	pirofti	hi, for a few days I am having a strange issue with Gnome: whenever I want to start a new window with Firefox or Thunderbird (or any other gui program really) the program freezes and I have to kill it. This is especially anoying with Thunderbird as I can not send emails. I tried with i3 (and gdm) and there everything works. Any idea what I can do further?
2022-11-18 13:49:24	Gagis	might be a bug. I noticed some issues with terminal windows expanded to half screen so that they only started refreshing contents after resising them first. hasnt lasted for more than a couple of days
2022-11-18 13:49:29	Gagis	on gnome too
2022-11-18 13:49:55	Gagis	the gnome-terminal instances did refresh their visuals after being resized and expanded again, tho
2022-11-18 13:50:33	pirofti	yes, I have seen that too but it went away
2022-11-18 13:50:46	pirofti	I seen it multiple times during the years. comes and goes.
2022-11-18 13:50:49	pirofti	but this is more serious
2022-11-18 13:58:16	Namarrgon	pirofti: are you using gnome on x11 or wayland?
2022-11-18 13:58:59	Namarrgon	is there printed to the kernel log when a window freezes?
2022-11-18 13:59:03	Namarrgon	*there anything
2022-11-18 14:07:09	pirofti	sorry, just tested with xfce4 now. works fine.
2022-11-18 14:07:12	pirofti	let me see
2022-11-18 14:07:24	pirofti	I am using x11.
2022-11-18 14:10:06	pirofti	/usr/lib/gdm-x-session[9524]: [2022-11-18T13:05:39Z ERROR mp4parse] Found 2 nul bytes in "\0\0"
2022-11-18 14:10:17	pirofti	I see a few dozen messages like this one
2022-11-18 14:10:26	Namarrgon	in the kernel log?
2022-11-18 14:10:36	pirofti	but let me get back to gnome and see if they are connected to thunderbird new-window
2022-11-18 14:10:49	pirofti	in `journalctl -b`
2022-11-18 14:10:56	Namarrgon	-k
2022-11-18 14:11:16	piie	endre`: https://piie.net/files/libxft/ <-- confirmed on a second computer
2022-11-18 14:11:19	phrik	Title: Index of /files/libxft/ (at piie.net)
2022-11-18 14:11:43	endre`	uhh, that's indeed ugly
2022-11-18 14:11:45	piie	endre`: do you see, how the b letter misses its leftmost pixel
2022-11-18 14:11:59	endre`	yup
2022-11-18 14:12:27	pirofti	Namarrgon: will try with -k right away
2022-11-18 14:12:43	piie	ok, for now, I'll simply downgrade, but on the long run I need to either find solution of someone else or fix it myself
2022-11-18 14:13:04	endre`	local/rxvt-unicode-patched-with-scrolling
2022-11-18 14:13:07	endre`	i'm using this one
2022-11-18 14:13:32	piie	don't think this is urxvt related, but good tip, will try that
2022-11-18 14:14:34	pirofti	Namarrgon: nope, nothing popped up in the log while I reproduced the defect
2022-11-18 14:14:57	Namarrgon	pirofti: which gpu do you have that you still use x11? nvidia?
2022-11-18 14:15:27	pirofti	I use x11 because screen sharing does not work and I needed that to teach during the pandemic
2022-11-18 14:15:58	piie	endre`: only 4 patches from libxft 2.3.6 -> 2.3.7, so I guess this will be quite simple to bisect
2022-11-18 14:16:10	pirofti	and yes, I have nvidia
2022-11-18 14:16:29	Namarrgon	can you post the kernel log to a paste service?
2022-11-18 14:17:00	endre`	piie:I have a letterSpace of 0
2022-11-18 14:17:05	endre`	in Xdefaults
2022-11-18 14:17:16	piie	yes, same for me
2022-11-18 14:17:46	piie	https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/lib/libxft/-/commit/98e27ba4b2c3a4825a3497cd481992374a9c9e98  <-- this sounds like they were "fixing" something, which breaks on my side then
2022-11-18 14:17:49	phrik	Title: libxft issue #15 (98e27ba4) · Commits · xorg / lib / libXft · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2022-11-18 14:18:05	pirofti	Namarrgon: http://ix.io/4gdC
2022-11-18 14:18:46	endre`	piie: https://end.re/libxft-bug.png
2022-11-18 14:18:58	endre`	that tilde looks to miss it's first column of pixels
2022-11-18 14:19:02	endre`	its*
2022-11-18 14:19:05	piie	jip
2022-11-18 14:20:13	endre`	after downgrading it has got its pixels back :)
2022-11-18 14:20:40	piie	happy to hear, that I'm not the only one :D
2022-11-18 14:21:14	piie	I'm currently compiling my libxft with 98e27 reverted
2022-11-18 14:22:22	endre`	the problem does not show with $myUsualFont
2022-11-18 14:24:07	piie	endre`: do you use xft font?
2022-11-18 14:24:36	endre`	yes
2022-11-18 14:24:51	endre`	with your font: https://end.re/2-3-6.png and https://end.re/2-3-7.png looks pretty much the same
2022-11-18 14:25:10	endre`	it's only that tilde
2022-11-18 14:29:23	piie	98e27ba4b2c3a4825a3497cd481992374a9c9e98 it is
2022-11-18 14:30:29	piie	really strange, what leads to this effect.  However I debugged it down enough to open an issue for it.  will do that tonight
2022-11-18 14:30:33	endre`	XftFontLoadGlyphs for mono font returns wrong info in extents from XftTextExtentsUtf8 for variable chars
2022-11-18 14:31:25	endre`	https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/lib/libxft/-/issues/15
2022-11-18 14:31:26	piie	endre`: thanks for your help :)
2022-11-18 14:31:28	phrik	Title: XftFontLoadGlyphs for mono font returns wrong info in extents from XftTextExtentsUtf8 for variable chars (#15) · Issues · xorg / lib / libXft · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2022-11-18 14:31:36	endre`	this was the issue that caused this issue
2022-11-18 14:31:48	piie	yes, saw that, like especially the: "Agreeing that the patch does seem to work..." comment :D
2022-11-18 14:32:13	piie	"does seem to work", wow :D
2022-11-18 14:33:26	piie	have to do housecleaning now :(  talk to you later again
2022-11-18 14:50:29	ishan	Hi! Is there any easier way to send logs to remote machine? I am using rsyslog for collecting logs. Installing rsyslog on arch linux is a pain in the butt
2022-11-18 14:51:15	jelle	ishan: journald has a remote feature
2022-11-18 14:51:35	ishan	jelle: Yess but I think it can only send logs to other machines also running journald
2022-11-18 14:52:03	jelle	not sure, probably?
2022-11-18 14:52:59	Edu4rdSHL	journal-upload.conf(5)
2022-11-18 14:53:09	ishan	I was looking at it earlier and I think it only works with journald
2022-11-18 14:53:19	ishan	I can't switch every thing to use journald now
2022-11-18 14:53:30	ishan	rsyslog works on debian machines, my routers switches, APs perfectlyfine
2022-11-18 14:54:09	Gagis	doesnt rsyslog also have some remote feature
2022-11-18 14:54:17	Gagis	cant remember what sort of protocol it uses tho
2022-11-18 14:54:30	ishan	Gagis: Yes it does! and I am using it every where but on arch linux, Installing rsyslog is a complete pain in the butt
2022-11-18 14:54:53	ishan	And right now, It's not even installing on 2 off my machines.. Build fails with some errors 
2022-11-18 14:54:57	ishan	and there is no rsyslog-bin package
2022-11-18 14:54:59	Gagis	ahhh, yes. I see
2022-11-18 14:55:14	jelle	gloves off then
2022-11-18 14:55:24	ishan	aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
2022-11-18 14:55:30	Gagis	maybe logstash or some equivalent project can solve it as an extra layer
2022-11-18 14:56:06	ishan	i want to keep this as simple as possible. I found plenty of posts on r/homelab and such recommending graylog, elk stacks and whatnot for logging but I like rsyslog 
2022-11-18 14:56:09	ishan	and ripgrep
2022-11-18 14:57:50	Edu4rdSHL	Up to you then.
2022-11-18 15:26:49	cyphertite	not sure if/why any of the recent multitude of 'bloatness' claims are based in physical reality.  As in:  sure, if I were trying to run Arch from a 16 MiB (or less) USB stick, I would care about every MiB.  But those problems all disappear with even a pathetic 32 GiB USB stick, much less to mention huge spinning rust HDDs, SSDs or NVMes ;p
2022-11-18 15:28:37	cyphertite	*16 GiB (or less) USB stick
2022-11-18 15:40:39	artefact	you're assuming one would run arch on bare metal
2022-11-18 15:44:40	cyphertite	artefact:  good point, pick your poison with any VM :)
2022-11-18 15:49:44	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL doesn't care about bloat on his 2TB Nvme setup. Come on, bloat!
2022-11-18 15:54:15	cyphertite	Edu4rdSHL:  exactly, but I *assume* MOST folks have access (at a minimum) to at least a 100+ GiB drive of some kind, so how could 'bloat' possibly be a priority concern, or even a concern worth yakking about? 
2022-11-18 16:30:41	cryptodan	I have a quick question what package has network tools like host, dig, nslookup, and others?
2022-11-18 16:32:15	cryptodan	mtn: were you ever a member of Linux Mint on spotchat?
2022-11-18 16:32:33	mtn	cryptodan: yup, still am
2022-11-18 16:33:01	cryptodan	tell them all I said hi 
2022-11-18 16:33:12	Namarrgon	!give cryptodan pacman-file
2022-11-18 16:33:13	phrik	cryptodan: Find out what package owns a file, even if the package isn't installed. pacman -Fy <file> (similar to !pkgfile)
2022-11-18 16:33:50	nullie	!pkgfile nslookup
2022-11-18 16:33:50	phrik	nullie: Is that… Is that really a word?
2022-11-18 16:34:10	Edu4rdSHL	?wtf nslookup
2022-11-18 16:34:11	@EMIYA	Edu4rdSHL: extra/bind 9.18.8-2 (/usr/bin/nslookup), extra/bash-completion, extra/zsh
2022-11-18 16:34:13	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-11-18 16:34:39	cryptodan	already installed bind thanks
2022-11-18 16:34:47	nullie	whole bind just to have nslookup?
2022-11-18 16:35:39	cryptodan	pacman -S bind
2022-11-18 16:35:42	Namarrgon	welcome to Bloat Linux
2022-11-18 16:36:34	Namarrgon	who still needs nslookup anyway?
2022-11-18 16:37:15	cryptodan	its a useful tool for network security types 
2022-11-18 16:38:34	Scimmia	not for any of them that have kept up to date
2022-11-18 16:47:07	gehidore	following an old guide no doubt
2022-11-18 16:48:00	Edu4rdSHL	?pkgfile pacman
2022-11-18 16:48:01	@EMIYA	Edu4rdSHL: core/pacman 6.0.2-5 (/usr/bin/pacman, /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/pacman), extra/xscreensaver
2022-11-18 17:17:42	cryptodan	my arch install is 22gigs out of 500gigs
2022-11-18 17:29:32	brjl	cryptodan: How'd you get to that number
2022-11-18 17:30:00	Khorne	du /
2022-11-18 17:30:16	brjl	hahahahah that's what I'm afraid
2022-11-18 17:31:57	brjl	du /usr/ might be better, but then again there's a lot of software stuff in /home/
2022-11-18 17:32:15	MrElendig	expac and awk to sum up the installed sizes
2022-11-18 17:32:16	Khorne	df / unless you fell for the mount partitions meme
2022-11-18 17:32:27	artefact	$(compsize -x) bro
2022-11-18 17:34:37	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-18 17:34:39	ℹ 	Whooa21 es conocido ahora como KitsuWhooa
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2022-11-18 17:37:01	brjl	Khorne: What do you define by a "install", though?
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2022-11-18 19:04:44	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-11-18 19:04:44	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1446 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1445 normals)
2022-11-18 17:55:23	Tonya201	I want to know how to setup the game after installing
2022-11-18 17:56:03	Edu4rdSHL	Setup what, exactly
2022-11-18 17:56:42	Edu4rdSHL	There's an AUR package, so just install, lauch it and enjoy.
2022-11-18 17:56:46	brjl	Tonya201: Starting at the beggining: How'd you install scrabble3d?
2022-11-18 17:57:41	Tonya201	yay -S scrabble3d
2022-11-18 17:57:44	Gaboradon	Hello
2022-11-18 17:57:52	Edu4rdSHL	!give Gaboradon welcomerpg
2022-11-18 17:57:53	phrik	Gaboradon: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how many .pacnew files you ignored.
2022-11-18 17:58:21	MrElendig	Tonya201: and what is the problem?
2022-11-18 17:58:32	SysGhost	Me: All of them! \o/
2022-11-18 17:59:50	Tonya201	MrElendig: The game starts looking for updates and asks for a dictionary to be loaded?
2022-11-18 18:00:18	MrElendig	and then?
2022-11-18 18:00:36	Gaboradon	I'm wondering on the possibilites of completely separate workspace-desktop-monitor ability in general in linux, asking here because I think arch community is the kind of place for these exotic ideas, it's not something out of the box.
2022-11-18 18:00:44	Tonya201	MrElendig:just stays there w/o progress
2022-11-18 18:00:58	grawity	...define "completely separate workspace-desktop-monitor ability"?
2022-11-18 18:01:03	MrElendig	strace it and see what its doing
2022-11-18 18:01:10	Tonya201	load a dictionary it says but how?
2022-11-18 18:01:17	Edu4rdSHL	Tonya201, if you read the game's documentation then it will tell you exactly what is needed.
2022-11-18 18:01:19	Edu4rdSHL	.)
2022-11-18 18:01:22	Edu4rdSHL	:)
2022-11-18 18:01:23	MrElendig	probably hanging because the code haven't been touched since 2010 and the server its trying to contact is dead
2022-11-18 18:01:41	MrElendig	can always feed it a dictionary yourself though
2022-11-18 18:02:16	Tonya201	MrElendig: I downloaded an English dictionary but don't know how to install and the forum is in German
2022-11-18 18:02:27	Gaboradon	So the idea is, to be able to have a completely separate desktop workspace, with it's own separate virtual desktopts, and it's own separate input device control even, for a given monitor connected to the same computer and GPU. 
2022-11-18 18:02:51	rcf	Gaboradon: you're thinking of multiple seats 
2022-11-18 18:03:03	Tonya201	their freenode IRC channel has only 1 user and that is myself
2022-11-18 18:03:24	grawity	it's generally possible but the "same GPU" part might be problematic
2022-11-18 18:03:25	Gaboradon	So that when I launch an app, it stays on Workspace2/Monitor2, when I change virtual desktops on Workspace1/Monitor1
2022-11-18 18:04:02	MrElendig	click settngs -> dictionary -> load?
2022-11-18 18:04:04	grawity	per-monitor virtual desktops are a WM-specific feature, you can get that on a single Xserver
2022-11-18 18:05:11	Gaboradon	I'm currently booted into OpenSUSE Tumbleweed KDE and it works similarly to Windows 10. Extended desktop on Monitor2, and switching virtual desktops affects both monitors, which is not welcome, it is a limitation.
2022-11-18 18:05:51	MrElendig	Gaboradon: there is a plugin for kde for independent workspaces
2022-11-18 18:06:01	MrElendig	kde handles them quite badly though
2022-11-18 18:06:06	egl	Gaboradon: review rcf's comment, and also consider that your VM software has its own limitations, including full screen multi monitor support or not.
2022-11-18 18:06:11	grawity	I see they're working on that forw ayland https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/40
2022-11-18 18:06:14	phrik	Title: Add ext-workspace-unstable (!40) · Merge requests · wayland / wayland-protocols · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2022-11-18 18:06:22	Gaboradon	Techinically I don't mind if it's the same workspace under the hood, if I could have different virtual desktops on different monitors that would do the trick I think, but it should work as 2 separate desktops, complete with their own taskbar, icons, time, buttons, tray ..etc
2022-11-18 18:06:25	egl	Gaboradon: be ready to deal with multi input support as well.
2022-11-18 18:06:38	grawity	"workspace" and "virtual desktop" is the same thing in X
2022-11-18 18:06:50	grawity	for separate input devices and/or separate GUIs, you need two Xserver instances – that's relatively easy when there are two GPUs as logind's concept of "seat" is built around a single master device, but may be a bit more annoying with two outputs on a single GPU
2022-11-18 18:06:53	egl	Gaboradon: how do you intend to use the same mouse/keyboard?
2022-11-18 18:07:05	MrElendig	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.13/docs/XMonad-Layout-IndependentScreens.html
2022-11-18 18:07:06	phrik	Title: XMonad.Layout.IndependentScreens (at hackage.haskell.org)
2022-11-18 18:07:09	grawity	and I'd *really* not recommend trying to run two whole KDE instances as the same user
2022-11-18 18:07:09	MrElendig	much nicer
2022-11-18 18:07:37	artefact	awesome can also have per-screen tags
2022-11-18 18:08:02	brjl	DWM handles more than one monitor like that by default. But the con is that now you're dealing with DWM.
2022-11-18 18:08:10	rcf	My sway workspaces are assigned per monitor. 
2022-11-18 18:08:34	Gaboradon	egl: I meant without any virtual machines in this case ...
2022-11-18 18:08:50	egl	Gaboradon: multiple seats... 
2022-11-18 18:08:57	Gaboradon	egl: double mouse and double keyboard, or have a hotkey to switch between like a "KVM switch"
2022-11-18 18:09:00	artefact	you can hack something with synergy probably
2022-11-18 18:09:01	Koragg	DWM can be nice when it is patched A LOT and when "extra" buttons are configured to do useful things (print for screenshots, vol up/down keys etc)
2022-11-18 18:09:07	grawity	gnome-shell kiiiiinda supports this? you can switch an option to have workspaces only affect the primary output, while the other outputs don't change
2022-11-18 18:09:28	egl	Gaboradon: and in the best of worlds you'd use SR-IOV and deploy using virtual gpu's, youd still need a way to "kvm" the input... not sure howd you do that..
2022-11-18 18:09:45	artefact	egl: i used synergy back when i was playing with gpu passthrough. worked ok
2022-11-18 18:09:47	brjl	Koragg: Setting up keyboard events in DWM ain't that hard, though.
2022-11-18 18:10:03	Koragg	brjl: not necessarily hard, but rather tedious (same with the patches)
2022-11-18 18:10:07	egl	Gaboradon: i was doing something similar with pinning my GPU for IOMMU passthrough, using the iGPU for my main screen, and the pinned GPU for a VM and the VM outputs directly to dGPU and thus the external monitor. pain to share kbx/mouse tho
2022-11-18 18:10:26	Koragg	with the patches they sometimes also just don't work even when manually applied (too old and incompatible with new DWM etc)
2022-11-18 18:10:43	Koragg	I learned to always back up my entire dwm in a seperate dir before trying out a new patch (new to me)
2022-11-18 18:11:12	brjl	Koragg: Funnily enough, my DWM install has no patches. Same can't be said about my st install though
2022-11-18 18:11:25	brjl	That one's been *tediously* patched.
2022-11-18 18:11:26	Gaboradon	grawity: I was hoping for with Wayland improvements across linux, that displays would start being treated equal and not "primary, secondary" in general, that would pave the way for things like this. I do expect to have to do some manual work for this, I'd like to figure out how much I need to do, I don't mind writing some scripts or fiddingly configs, but I wouldn't want to commit to patching
2022-11-18 18:11:26	Gaboradon	kernel.
2022-11-18 18:12:20	Koragg	my DWM is tediously patched, st has some patches, dmenu actually has none
2022-11-18 18:12:33	Koragg	surf I tried the bookmark one but it would just not compile at all on newer versions of surf
2022-11-18 18:12:56	brjl	dmenu has no patches either. I'm not insane enough to use surf
2022-11-18 18:13:01	brjl	:þ
2022-11-18 18:13:46	egl	Gaboradon: You might want to do some more reading on user seats, session management, and how X11/Wayland handle them. You may find an easier solution than you think...
2022-11-18 18:13:53	Gaboradon	With this idea, the separate input-to-specific-monitor is something I thought later on as a bonus, it's not critical, but you could literally approach as if you had 2 PCs in practical multi-tasking work, without being a VM.
2022-11-18 18:14:14	Gaboradon	egl: Indeed, thanks for the pointers.
2022-11-18 18:14:17	egl	Gaboradon: thats the entire point of a local hypervisor.
2022-11-18 18:14:37	Koragg	does anyone even use surf seriously? like I think even the die-hard suckless lovers do not use surf
2022-11-18 18:14:42	brjl	Though it sounds a little bit wasteful on computer resources
2022-11-18 18:14:56	egl	Koragg: that would be correct.
2022-11-18 18:15:14	brjl	Koragg: I don't think anyone dily-drives surf, no.
2022-11-18 18:16:01	rcf	Gaboradon: for what you want, multiseat is the proper solution. With regard to Wayland, the idea of multi-user systems really peaked with X, so it's actually gotten worse over time.
2022-11-18 18:16:40	egl	rcf: likely because nobody telnets into a shared terminal server anymore? :D 
2022-11-18 18:17:08	Gaboradon	grawity: I foresaw the single GPU perhaps being a thorn, but how about the iGPU on CPU, I already have an iGPU on Ryzen 5 Pro 4650 for example, and all future AMD CPUs will come with the service-maintenance-iGPU as standard which is like the best idea ever.
2022-11-18 18:19:14	Gaboradon	grawity: Yeah, this has to be properly supported, ofcourse to avoid double instances, unless there's support for them to be aware of this model and be sync so they don't write to same files at the same time and such, understood.
2022-11-18 18:20:18	rcf	Gaboradon: in the case of sway, you don't strictly need multseat, input <identifier> map_to_output would do exactly what you want. Perhaps plasma can do something similar. 
2022-11-18 18:20:42	Gaboradon	Wonder if the people who started those patches thought about separate inputs, I might want to give them a headsup to count that in because with that, it would really boost the feature.
2022-11-18 18:22:26	rcf	I don't bother with it (I go the opposite route with synergy) but still, it would work. 
2022-11-18 18:24:10	linuxuser88	hey, i'm installing arch on the new pc, should i use legacy bios mode or uefi?
2022-11-18 18:25:01	Gaboradon	rcf: Oh, interesting, well ofcourse because VM got so versatile and poweful due to enterprise usage and push, but I actually didn't originally mean this as multi-user, even tho ofcourse it would totally enable that, but for myself as a power user feature to have more use out of double/tripple monitors.
2022-11-18 18:25:24	rcf	Gaboradon: indeed, the sway feature seems to target your use case perfectly, no VM or multiseat needed. 
2022-11-18 18:25:35	rcf	Whether you could tolerate sway is another thing entirely 
2022-11-18 18:25:50	rcf	linuxuser88: UEFI unless there's a very good reason to avoid it these days. 
2022-11-18 18:26:08	brjl	linuxuser88: You can install archlinux both in CSM and in UEFI. Whichever is more convenient. Do remember that without UEFI you won't be able to use secure boot, though.
2022-11-18 18:26:37	rcf	Granted secure boot for arch is... well if you have to ask about UEFI, you're not going to go into secure boot for a while. 
2022-11-18 18:27:24	brjl	Indeed. And since I particularly don't enjoy dealing with EFI, I use a GPT/BIOS install.
2022-11-18 18:27:26	Gaboradon	I have a long desk and if I'm working on something that has a set of sub-sub-sub tasks and it's takes 3-4 days to finish, I can just move my seat and body 1-2 meters to a whole separate desktop and monitor, continuing on other work or entertainment all on the same PC, GPU. Not that I couldn't do that otherwise with multiple PCs, but it's economic, I do already have 3 PCs, but they're not all
2022-11-18 18:27:26	Gaboradon	most powerful, etc.
2022-11-18 18:28:31	umaxtu	don't want to invest in a KVM?
2022-11-18 18:29:09	Gaboradon	rcf: I actually haven't looked up all of the pointers you guys gave me, I was reading the gitlab and haskell links ... okay so "sway" it is ... , 6 months ago I was doing VoidLinux and trying to build Unreal Engine and install Wayland ... complicated as heck because the distro was a bit "too barebone" and I did came across "seats" but I really don't have deep experience yet.
2022-11-18 18:30:31	rcf	Gaboradon: it's tiling, so not really what you're used to. 
2022-11-18 18:32:19	Gaboradon	umaxtu: I already have a KVM, already have 3 PCs, already have 3 mouses and 6 keyboards ... but the context matters: Context: 2 of the PCs are over 10 years old, one of them has no GPU only iGPU and 8GB RAM ans slow CPU (use it for service and maint and simple browsing) but the OpenSUSE I had on it failed to boot, some btrfs error lol, so it's dead currently, the other PC has no GPU and no iGPU
2022-11-18 18:32:19	Gaboradon	and is also 10 year old so upgrading not worth it, 
2022-11-18 18:32:21	Gaboradon	because of the GPU crisis, I only have one GPU which I have in my primary PC right now, so both of the PCs are unusable
2022-11-18 18:32:56	umaxtu	bummer
2022-11-18 18:33:20	Gaboradon	I can only move the current GPU from PC1 to PC2 and be stuck with iGPU on PC1, that's how I've been going for almost a year.
2022-11-18 18:33:52	Gaboradon	Err, the PC3 OS got corrupted only a few weeks ago so I guess technically all 3 were usable.
2022-11-18 18:34:33	Gaboradon	Prices are finally falling so it looks like new GPU soon, maybe this year.
2022-11-18 18:35:21	umaxtu	clearly the solution is to get NICs that support booting from iSCSI targets. not overcomplicating anything at all /s
2022-11-18 18:35:28	Gaboradon	I did however, avoided buying new GPUs on purpose, I honestly wouldn't have done that much more work with a newer one, just yet.
2022-11-18 18:36:18	Ingar	buy telescopes instead of GPUs
2022-11-18 18:36:35	umaxtu	do you do a lot of gaming? or would a lower-end gpu work for you?
2022-11-18 18:36:59	umaxtu	cause the Airb... I mean Intel A380 is pretty cheap
2022-11-18 18:39:05	Gaboradon	I actually getting into Unreal Engine / Blender dev, ontop of being around programming a bit(simpler stuff), but I do play a lot of games historically yeah and still do some, but I don't mind it that much as it worked fine on the existing GPU still (polaris)
2022-11-18 18:39:24	Gaboradon	No GPU was worth buying is what I concluded to myself, I get the top one for reasonable price or nothing
2022-11-18 18:39:29	Gaboradon	err "almost top"
2022-11-18 18:40:44	Gaboradon	I mean, the equivalent level, RX480 .... I'll try to get RX6800XT
2022-11-18 18:41:08	Gaboradon	Even tho these numbers don't mean much across that kind of time
2022-11-18 18:41:17	Ingar	Gaboradon: you can even get 6900XT for almost reasonable prices these days
2022-11-18 18:41:57	Gaboradon	I meant, for example .. sorry yeah, I might just jump on that if it ends up being in the budget
2022-11-18 18:43:10	Ingar	Gaboradon: I got one last year (missing an arm and a leg now) I never regretted it
2022-11-18 18:43:41	umaxtu	anyone else remember the days of the fglrx driver?
2022-11-18 18:48:10	GuiToris	ok, it's been weeks since my hotspot worked
2022-11-18 18:48:19	GuiToris	how could I debug it?
2022-11-18 18:48:27	GuiToris	I tried journalctl -f
2022-11-18 18:48:42	GuiToris	wlp3s0: AP-STA-CONNECTED 3c:43:8e:2c:90:01
2022-11-18 18:48:59	GuiToris	then wlp3s0: EAPOL-4WAY-HS-COMPLETED 3c:43:8e:2c:90:01
2022-11-18 18:49:03	GuiToris	nothing else
2022-11-18 18:56:45	Furai	Hey, is there some known issue with certain utf8 glyphs in gnome terminal?
2022-11-18 18:57:01	grawity	no; with *which* utf8 glyphs in particular?
2022-11-18 18:57:35	Furai	I guess then I didn't install something on this fresh machine. I bet that I did that on my desktop that's why I'm wondering.
2022-11-18 18:58:15	Furai	I probably don't have fallback fonts. I'll dig deeper.
2022-11-18 18:59:41	linuxuser88	hello, i have problem with acpi reporting invalid battery estimated remaining time by acpi command, terminal logs: https://dpaste.com/9CDQBM44J
2022-11-18 19:00:09	grawity	linuxuser88: have you tried upgrading system firmware
2022-11-18 19:00:15	Furai	"⭘"
2022-11-18 19:00:16	linuxuser88	grawity: yes
2022-11-18 19:00:20	Furai	No idea what
2022-11-18 19:00:27	grawity	also, why is that time invalid
2022-11-18 19:00:59	linuxuser88	grawity: acpi returns random time instead of consistent one
2022-11-18 19:02:22	linuxuser88	grawity: do you mean bios firmware, am i right?
2022-11-18 19:02:28	grawity	yes
2022-11-18 19:02:46	linuxuser88	i use legacy bios mode instead of uefi, i'm not sure if it matters
2022-11-18 19:02:58	grawity	usually not
2022-11-18 19:03:14	linuxuser88	the same issue on linux-zen and linux-lts
2022-11-18 19:03:31	grawity	yeah because they all get the estimation from firmware via ACPI
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2022-11-18 19:22:24	ednash	https://github.com/dustinkirkland/ecryptfs-utils
2022-11-18 19:22:30	ednash	last update was made 10 years ago
2022-11-18 19:22:44	SysGhost	!itworks
2022-11-18 19:22:45	phrik	SysGhost: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
2022-11-18 19:22:53	⚡ 	SysGhost slaps phrik
2022-11-18 19:23:15	ednash	not sure if i would trust it very much
2022-11-18 19:23:17	ednash	it's a shame
2022-11-18 19:23:21	ednash	it was a really good project
2022-11-18 19:23:37	ednash	may be as you said, it hasn't bit rotten yet
2022-11-18 19:23:40	SysGhost	welll does it really need to be updated? are there any security flaws that need urgent patching?
2022-11-18 19:23:55	ednash	when compiled now, all underlying libraries will at least be up to date
2022-11-18 19:24:23	ednash	SysGhost: i don't know - but the sentiment on some quick research doesn't seem to be strong
2022-11-18 19:24:39	hyper_dave	How do you set display scaling properly?
2022-11-18 19:25:04	hyper_dave	Sorry If I resent this. Was not sure it got through.
2022-11-18 19:25:11	ednash	if it at least had some owners maintaining it, and vouching for security, even that would be something
2022-11-18 19:25:21	grawity	ednash: the userspace can be replaced, as long as the kernel module works
2022-11-18 19:25:21	ednash	even if they make no code changes
2022-11-18 19:26:12	ednash	i am trying to find any authority that says it's still good
2022-11-18 19:26:19	ednash	it == ecryptfs
2022-11-18 19:26:38	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-18 19:27:23	ednash	most readily available articles / comments / pages seem to advice caution
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2022-11-18 19:27:50	ednash	so if you're using ext4, definitely go with fscrypt
2022-11-18 19:27:50	SysGhost	Welll to be honest I'm not stuck to ecryptfs. In the end it's all LUKS and stuff with a few extra tools. I remember using dm-crypt not that long ago too.
2022-11-18 19:27:54	ednash	that's about a 1-1 replacement
2022-11-18 19:28:12	ednash	and if not, you can use ecryptfs; but if you want to be cautious just use pam_mount or something
2022-11-18 19:28:48	ednash	SysGhost: don't think it's luks with extra tools
2022-11-18 19:33:02	ednash	fscrypt is file-system level; dm-crypt is block level
2022-11-18 19:33:02	ednash	the main advantage of file-system level encryption is that they can grow or shrink transparently
2022-11-18 19:33:02	grawity	cryptography-wise, ecryptfs is not exactly great, but "acceptable" (better than EncFS as far as I've read)
2022-11-18 19:33:02	ednash	you don't have to manage the volume size since there's no volume
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2022-11-18 19:33:02	ednash	ooo i haven't heard of encfs
2022-11-18 19:33:02	ednash	will read that thanks
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2022-11-18 19:33:02	grawity	EncFS is a fuse-based one, and used to be more popular than eCryptFS but iirc also had some papers published about how it kinda sucks
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2022-11-18 19:33:02	ednash	yeah... "since [2014] the development has halted and not all issues are fixed"
2022-11-18 19:33:02	ednash	the archwiki says in a big red box at the top
2022-11-18 19:33:02	ednash	curiously though
2022-11-18 19:33:02	ednash	the code seems more frequently updated
2022-11-18 19:33:02	ednash	https://github.com/vgough/encfs
2022-11-18 19:33:02	grawity	perhaps updating of the archwiki article has also halted
2022-11-18 19:33:02	ednash	lol yeah
2022-11-18 19:33:02	SysGhost	arch wiki pages not updated??? 
2022-11-18 19:33:02	⚡ 	SysGhost gasps
2022-11-18 19:33:02	ednash	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EncFS
2022-11-18 19:33:02	phrik	Title: EncFS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-18 19:33:06	◣	dagunky (~dagunky@196.189.182.181) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-11-18 19:33:08	ednash	there definitely has been updates to that page
2022-11-18 19:33:26	ednash	but no one was bold and couragious to remove the caution
2022-11-18 19:33:40	ednash	it's possible that the caution is still applicable
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2022-11-18 19:34:02	ednash	i wonder what the research papers published. i will have to dig in
2022-11-18 19:34:09	egl	ecryptfs is sufficient if you just pay attention to key storage
2022-11-18 19:34:21	ednash	what's key storage?
2022-11-18 19:34:23	egl	im using it with systemd-homed 
2022-11-18 19:34:33	egl	actually
2022-11-18 19:34:35	egl	im wrong
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2022-11-18 19:35:51	egl	grawity: i would, if I wasnt using encrypted zfs root
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2022-11-18 19:36:12	egl	in fact thats my old setup... lvm on luks on mdadm
2022-11-18 19:36:24	ednash	yeah but fscrypt can create symmetric keys, which would be useless unless you enter a password
2022-11-18 19:36:26	◣	kuri22 (~quassel@101.87.152.181) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-11-18 19:36:26	grawity	I meant luks on a loopback image
2022-11-18 19:36:35	egl	but I wanted a better snapshotting system and some sane replication features
2022-11-18 19:36:41	egl	grawity: oh, ok ya I understand now
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2022-11-18 19:36:47	grawity	like was mentioned with pam_mount
2022-11-18 19:36:53	ednash	so those are like public keys and it's ok if someone can see it
2022-11-18 19:37:11	egl	ednash: again, if you lose them, good by decripting your home dirs or whatever...
2022-11-18 19:37:27	grawity	ednash: ...do you mean the keys are encrypted with a password?
2022-11-18 19:37:32	ednash	yeah if you lose them then you can say goodbye to the data
2022-11-18 19:37:33	egl	ednash: drive failures can really end your good day if you didnt back them up... so less security of them and more the storing of them
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2022-11-18 19:37:44	ednash	but the keys are very small, easy to back up
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2022-11-18 19:37:47	egl	yep yep
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2022-11-18 19:38:10	SysGhost	linuxuser88: depends. Some bios/efi updates might need an extra careful full reset (Reset settings back to factory settings and cahnge the stuff you need again. Save exit reboot)
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2022-11-18 19:38:49	SysGhost	linuxuser88: hard to say  as "acpi doesn't work" don't say that much about the exact problem. =)
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2022-11-18 19:44:52	SysGhost	Yeah... I did... on some usb thumb drive...
2022-11-18 19:45:02	⚡ 	SysGhost hides in the shame-on-you corner
2022-11-18 19:45:05	mpan	LOL
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2022-11-18 19:51:28	linuxuser88	SysGhost: acpi displays random output instead of consistent one about estimated remaining battery time
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2022-11-18 19:51:28	SysGhost	linuxuser88:  ah right. Try the full reset method. When one get weird/nonsense values after an update. things have moved around and pointers need to be rewritten. Hence the "factory reset" might help in some of those cases.
2022-11-18 19:51:28	◣	mogad0n (~mogad0n@user/mogad0n) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-11-18 19:51:28	SysGhost	it's a bit of a longshot, but it has helped me before in similar situations
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2022-11-18 19:51:28	linuxuser88	SysGhost: how can i do factory reset?
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2022-11-18 19:51:41	SysGhost	usually from the bios/uefi setup menu. There should be some kind of "reset back to factory settings" or something along the lines.
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2022-11-18 19:51:59	SysGhost	but make sure you note down the important settings you need for a proper boot
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2022-11-18 19:52:38	SysGhost	..and if it's an UEFI system, nvram might get a full reset as well. then you need to rewrite the efi boot parameters too.
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2022-11-18 19:53:10	SysGhost	Easily done with a booted arch iso and efibootmgr/grub/systemd-boot
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2022-11-18 19:59:48	⚡ 	egl chants bootctl bootcl bootctl
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2022-11-18 20:18:40	Betal	grawity: tested with xfs and it happens too, when the source path is a sd or android, btrfs to btrfs seems to copy the modified time
2022-11-18 20:23:25	SysGhost	when the source is sd or android... Android share it's content over mtp which has its own set of massive issues. 
2022-11-18 20:23:36	SysGhost	it's/its *
2022-11-18 20:23:38	Betal	SysGhost: not for mv and cp :)
2022-11-18 20:24:04	Betal	grawity: seems like current code still have the comments https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/-/blob/master/thunar/thunar-transfer-job.c#L565
2022-11-18 20:24:07	SysGhost	how is the android system mounted?
2022-11-18 20:24:40	Betal	SysGhost: mtp
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2022-11-18 20:26:14	SysGhost	and the sd transfer is directly from the sdcard and not through android? ( I assume sdcard here ) 
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2022-11-18 20:27:15	⚡ 	SysGhost have trust issues with android mtp. It has never worked properly for me. But that's another story
2022-11-18 20:27:43	Betal	now Iam unsure about the SD card using card reader (can't test right now), lets assume only android then
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2022-11-18 20:29:46	SysGhost	Would seem cp/mv uses a different method accessing the attributes than thunar and some other file managers. I'm not sure. I'd take a closer look at that mtp layer.
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2022-11-18 20:30:31	Betal	SysGhost: it is problably related with the issue grawity pointed, given the comment still in current code
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2022-11-18 20:47:28	dagelf	But the weird thing is that any new logins I create work fine with xfce4 with no issues. 
2022-11-18 20:48:05	dagelf	I was sure that any user related config is in the home directory. Have not been this stumped by Linux in years. But I'm new to arch, finally made the jump from Ubuntu and then Debian. 
2022-11-18 20:50:00	dagelf	Unrelated, the other weird thing is that fonts default to 96 DPI... and are ugly. When I uncheck the DPI box, or put it on 95 DPI everything is pixel perfect. 
2022-11-18 20:50:46	SysGhost	not surprised. x11/wayland and "correct dpi detection" isn't really working that well.
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2022-11-19 07:14:41	heat	I guess it's fine to require it for a desktop system anyway, and arch isn't particularly suited for smaller things
2022-11-19 07:15:11	heat	and symlinking /bin/sh to another thing is fine for arch anyway
2022-11-19 07:15:35	bookworm	for any other distro too
2022-11-19 07:15:40	uuidNuniq	feature: zsh >> bash >> dash , size: zsh >> bash >>>> dash 
2022-11-19 07:15:42	bookworm	sh is never a real binary
2022-11-19 07:15:54	bookworm	it's dash or busybox or what have you
2022-11-19 07:16:00	heat	i know
2022-11-19 07:16:18	bookworm	then what are you rambling about?
2022-11-19 07:16:43	uuidNuniq	for small distro? you need a busybox based and without systemd. that's alpine 
2022-11-19 07:17:00	heat	the distro itself could require /bin/sh to be bash for any number of particularly poor reasons
2022-11-19 07:17:03	heat	usually, poor testing
2022-11-19 07:17:27	bblinky	bookworm: was that meant for my question, the fact that it can't be done in chroot?
2022-11-19 07:17:33	bookworm	yes
2022-11-19 07:17:40	bblinky	kk, that makes sense
2022-11-19 07:17:42	bblinky	Thanks
2022-11-19 07:19:08	bblinky	Not completely sure I understand why it can't be done within the chroot tho
2022-11-19 07:19:42	bookworm	dbus not up
2022-11-19 07:19:53	uuidNuniq	bblinky: because systemd complains and user got confused 
2022-11-19 07:20:07	bblinky	uuidNuniq: lol
2022-11-19 07:20:11	bookworm	the tool isn't just symlinking stuff from a to b but tries to talk to systemd
2022-11-19 07:20:30	bblinky	Ah, right..
2022-11-19 07:20:37	bblinky	That makes a lot of sense
2022-11-19 07:21:03	uuidNuniq	systemd says you can't enable a service in chroot, but it lies. 
2022-11-19 07:21:16	uuidNuniq	of course you can. 
2022-11-19 07:21:22	bblinky	And I guess the next topic when I'm done learning basic stuff aobut systemdd would be to learn some more about dbus peciffically
2022-11-19 07:21:26	bookworm	enable is just a symlink
2022-11-19 07:21:30	uuidNuniq	systemd says my fstab needs reload... wtf. 
2022-11-19 07:22:00	bblinky	You must do as systemd commands
2022-11-19 07:22:14	bookworm	systemd is nice actually 
2022-11-19 07:22:20	bblinky	It's D for DO IT, you kow
2022-11-19 07:22:30	bblinky	know
2022-11-19 07:22:46	heat	the d is for dank
2022-11-19 07:22:53	bookworm	there's no commanding anything, it provides a state layer and naturally it expects to be running if you are using it
2022-11-19 07:22:57	bblinky	bookworm: it does seem like it made a lot stuff easier
2022-11-19 07:23:02	bookworm	yes
2022-11-19 07:23:09	bookworm	and actually fit together too
2022-11-19 07:23:19	uuidNuniq	yes, systemd is nice. i agree
2022-11-19 07:23:30	heat	shame the maintainers are asshats
2022-11-19 07:23:41	bookworm	they aren't 
2022-11-19 07:23:46	heat	because the end product does indeed make desktop linux usable
2022-11-19 07:23:48	heat	yes they are
2022-11-19 07:23:51	bookworm	no more than gnome, RMS or Linus
2022-11-19 07:24:17	bookworm	but honestly you don't sound like the kind of person I wanna interact with atm so so long
2022-11-19 07:24:32	heat	ok?
2022-11-19 07:24:38	heat	byeee
2022-11-19 07:25:10	⚡ 	bblinky enjoys the romantic ambience of the room
2022-11-19 07:25:38	bblinky	Anyways, I'll fget back to the vids.. Thanks for the answers
2022-11-19 07:25:54	uuidNuniq	bblinky: wb anytime
2022-11-19 10:07:10	Xogium	heya folks. I wondered, has someone here ever experienced something similar to this ? I haven't done anything to my setup, didn't touch kernel, didn't touch xorg, yet recently I started getting something like this when trying to resume a x session
2022-11-19 10:07:18	Xogium	https://paste.xogium.me/eS.txt
2022-11-19 10:07:41	Xogium	switching from vt2 to vt1
2022-11-19 10:12:56	Xogium	seems to be kind of random ? I'm not sure
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2022-11-19 11:27:00	throstur	xrandr says my screen is connected but for some reason it's just chilling in standby, I tried unplugging and all that jazz to no avail, what other things can I try in software?
2022-11-19 11:29:08	throstur	bah, maybe it's just time to break up with the computer.
2022-11-19 11:30:18	Ingar	it's just weird computer moon
2022-11-19 11:30:54	Ingar	where everything works like a 3-sided USB-A cable
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2022-11-19 13:17:03	kinduff	how can i restore it back?
2022-11-19 13:17:10	predicament	it's very slow.
2022-11-19 13:17:14	predicament	and it says:
2022-11-19 13:17:39	kinduff	Namarrgon: arm? im not using arm
2022-11-19 13:17:50	Namarrgon	kinduff: what is aarch64 then?
2022-11-19 13:18:17	kinduff	something i messed up apparently
2022-11-19 13:18:18	predicament	https://bpa.st/3IJQ
2022-11-19 13:18:19	phrik	Title: View paste 3IJQ (at bpa.st)
2022-11-19 13:18:50	Namarrgon	kinduff: so you installed an ALARM package into a x86_64 system?
2022-11-19 13:18:52	predicament	obviously what happens is core tries to connect and it just takes forever
2022-11-19 13:18:57	predicament	sigh
2022-11-19 13:18:59	kinduff	Namarrgon: i did
2022-11-19 13:19:05	kinduff	oopps
2022-11-19 13:19:10	predicament	i have done so many reflector switches
2022-11-19 13:19:19	predicament	im being driven crazy.
2022-11-19 13:19:30	Namarrgon	kinduff: well, replace it with the proper package again
2022-11-19 13:19:55	predicament	can someone shine a light on mirrors?  I've been doing it correctly
2022-11-19 13:19:57	Namarrgon	predicament: pick a better mirror and don't abuse the enter key so much
2022-11-19 13:20:08	predicament	sigh
2022-11-19 13:20:22	predicament	ok.  that doesnt help me.  i've been trying to pick better mirrors.
2022-11-19 13:20:41	predicament	reflector --ipv4 -p https -p ftp
2022-11-19 13:20:42	Namarrgon	and you learned that archlinux-br.com.br is not it
2022-11-19 13:20:45	Ennea	how does that not help. just run reflector. if that nets you one or two bad mirrors in your mirrorlist, remove those
2022-11-19 13:20:51	Namarrgon	uninstall reflector and pick a mirror manually
2022-11-19 13:20:52	coruja	!give predicament mirrorstatus
2022-11-19 13:20:53	phrik	predicament: Check the status of the mirrors here: https://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/status/
2022-11-19 13:20:57	predicament	okay
2022-11-19 13:21:01	Ennea	or do what Namarrgon said, yea
2022-11-19 13:21:10	predicament	reflector usually works on my other boxes just fine
2022-11-19 13:21:20	predicament	i dont know why it does this on only this one
2022-11-19 13:21:43	predicament	ill try to do rsync only
2022-11-19 13:21:53	Namarrgon	don't use rsync, pick an https mirror
2022-11-19 13:21:53	predicament	since my isp has no ipv6, i cant pick that
2022-11-19 13:21:58	predicament	i usually do
2022-11-19 13:22:04	predicament	as you see in the switches there.
2022-11-19 13:22:13	predicament	reflector --ipv4 -p https -p ftp
2022-11-19 13:22:26	Namarrgon	don't use fpt either
2022-11-19 13:22:26	predicament	ftp was my over-reach
2022-11-19 13:22:37	predicament	it was last resort.  i almost never ise ot
2022-11-19 13:22:40	predicament	use it*
2022-11-19 13:22:47	predicament	let me do mirrorlist manually
2022-11-19 13:22:50	predicament	Jesus this is weird.
2022-11-19 13:22:53	Namarrgon	less typing, more debugging
2022-11-19 13:23:02	predicament	yeah alright.
2022-11-19 13:25:13	predicament	this might be this server's problem
2022-11-19 13:25:26	predicament	(my server)
2022-11-19 13:29:16	kinduff	thanks Namarrgon i think im on the right track
2022-11-19 13:30:38	predicament	i fixed that by doing US only and its fast now
2022-11-19 13:30:45	predicament	had to generate it myself though
2022-11-19 13:30:59	coruja	!next
2022-11-19 13:31:00	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-11-19 13:31:06	predicament	https only.
2022-11-19 13:31:10	predicament	"customer" lol
2022-11-19 13:31:26	predicament	I ONLY BUILD I DONT BUY :)
2022-11-19 13:31:32	predicament	hahaha.
2022-11-19 13:31:51	coruja	kinduff: why not simply use repo packages btw?
2022-11-19 13:31:53	predicament	alright, thanks Namarrgon for your suggestion.  I would have done so eventually.  I just wanted to know if there was an issue in particular about it.
2022-11-19 13:33:28	kinduff	coruja: had an issue while compiling a package back when, and messed up my system wide openssl pkg, had to reinstall manually, but it seems i messed up
2022-11-19 13:33:55	kinduff	im reviewing my shell history to remove links i did and some other stuff, in order to be able to reinstall using the pkg manager
2022-11-19 13:35:32	kinduff	is it correct that my libcrypto.so is poiting to version 3? "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Nov  1 19:21 /usr/lib/libcrypto.so -> libcrypto.so.3"?
2022-11-19 13:35:41	predicament	?
2022-11-19 13:35:47	predicament	is that broken?
2022-11-19 13:35:59	kinduff	same for libssl.so -> libssl.so.3
2022-11-19 13:36:04	predicament	hm
2022-11-19 13:36:06	Namarrgon	pacman -Qkk
2022-11-19 13:36:10	predicament	Qkk
2022-11-19 13:36:12	predicament	yeah
2022-11-19 13:36:45	coruja	predicament: no need to comment any input here without new information
2022-11-19 13:37:06	predicament	i said it basically as he did if you check the timestamp.
2022-11-19 13:37:19	predicament	unless i'm lagging a bit. which is possible.
2022-11-19 13:37:27	predicament	my apologies.
2022-11-19 13:37:31	kinduff	what am i looking for in the output?
2022-11-19 13:37:43	Namarrgon	breakage
2022-11-19 13:37:57	coruja	predicament: i mean such things as '?', 'hm', 'yeah' etc
2022-11-19 13:37:59	Namarrgon	look through the output, don't grep it
2022-11-19 13:38:01	predicament	oh okay
2022-11-19 13:38:04	predicament	gotcha.
2022-11-19 13:38:23	predicament	i said that because i didnt want you guys thinking i was trying to interrupt or whichever
2022-11-19 13:38:34	predicament	my apologies.
2022-11-19 13:39:18	predicament	when i say "hm" though, that just means I am thinking lol.  nothing to do with them.
2022-11-19 13:39:25	kinduff	Namarrgon: what do you mean by breakage?
2022-11-19 13:39:31	predicament	broken packages
2022-11-19 13:39:38	predicament	broken dependencies
2022-11-19 13:39:51	predicament	that's what i usually look for with that
2022-11-19 13:40:30	predicament	-with
2022-11-19 13:40:38	coruja	kinduff: you may put the output to a pastebin
2022-11-19 13:40:53	predicament	!paste
2022-11-19 13:40:53	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-11-19 13:40:55	Ennea	kinduff, libcrypto and libssl pointing to version 3 is correct
2022-11-19 13:41:39	kinduff	paste of my Qkk https://bpa.st/PL6Q
2022-11-19 13:41:41	phrik	Title: View paste PL6Q (at bpa.st)
2022-11-19 13:41:53	kinduff	openssl seems fine 
2022-11-19 13:41:57	michelesr[m]	what happened to the paru package on AUR? it's been out of date for like 2 weeks now
2022-11-19 13:42:16	Ennea	michelesr[m], the maintainer has not updated it yet is what happened
2022-11-19 13:42:17	predicament	use paru-bin
2022-11-19 13:42:28	predicament	that will give you the updated version
2022-11-19 13:42:32	predicament	you will no longer see that
2022-11-19 13:42:35	predicament	so remove paru
2022-11-19 13:43:02	Ennea	predicament, you seriously need to learn to write longer messages instead of splitting all your shit across dozens of lines
2022-11-19 13:43:09	predicament	sorry
2022-11-19 13:43:41	predicament	i have some issues neurologically so i forget to do that sometimes.  thank you for reminding me but I'd just ask if you'd do so politely
2022-11-19 13:43:53	predicament	please.
2022-11-19 13:44:10	michelesr[m]	I know I can use paru-bin, however I prefer the regular paru package because it builds from source, it's kinda weird that it hasn't been updated, since the maintainer is the author itself, which btw should be in this channel morganamilo 
2022-11-19 13:44:19	predicament	um
2022-11-19 13:44:23	predicament	lol.
2022-11-19 13:44:39	predicament	well then you know the answer
2022-11-19 13:44:42	predicament	!next
2022-11-19 13:44:43	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-11-19 13:45:01	predicament	he'll do it when he feels like it
2022-11-19 13:45:17	predicament	until then, rebuild paru or use paru-bin
2022-11-19 13:45:20	predicament	that simple.
2022-11-19 13:46:01	michelesr[m]	yeah, I wasn't asking for a workaround, just wanted to know if it's all ok or something happened
2022-11-19 13:46:02	predicament	Fucking enter key.  Sorry.  I hate this thing
2022-11-19 13:46:06	predicament	no it's okay
2022-11-19 13:46:09	coruja	kinduff: do you still run into any issues when "doing things"?
2022-11-19 13:46:48	predicament	good question.
2022-11-19 13:47:21	predicament	michelesr[m], i also prefer paru itself but it doesnt really matter to me :P  i just didn;'t want to see something that isn't truly out of date
2022-11-19 13:47:39	predicament	.. that drives me nuts when i see that, "marked out of date"
2022-11-19 13:47:53	predicament	so i hear you, believe me.
2022-11-19 13:51:55	kinduff	coruja: this is the kind of error I'm having, and my guess is that I have two different versions of openssl installed https://stackoverflow.com/questions/67349945/openssl-undefined-symbol-evp-mdc2-version-openssl-1-1-0
2022-11-19 13:51:57	phrik	Title: linux - OpenSSL undefined symbol: EVP_mdc2, version OPENSSL_1_1_0 - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
2022-11-19 13:52:17	Namarrgon	kinduff: what are the errors you are getting?
2022-11-19 13:52:26	kinduff	My "openssl version" output "1.1.0o"
2022-11-19 13:52:40	Namarrgon	post the output to a paste service
2022-11-19 13:53:14	coruja	kinduff: your system is up-to-date?
2022-11-19 13:53:17	kinduff	Namarrgon: when trying to compile Ruby with RVM
2022-11-19 13:53:21	kinduff	coruja: it is
2022-11-19 13:53:36	Namarrgon	alright, keep your secrets
2022-11-19 13:54:37	predicament	have you tried rebuilding?
2022-11-19 13:54:40	kinduff	Namarrgon: no secrets, I was getting the output, this is when I run "rvm install 2.6.6" https://bpa.st/NBGA
2022-11-19 13:54:42	phrik	Title: View paste NBGA (at bpa.st)
2022-11-19 13:54:56	predicament	oh nevermind
2022-11-19 13:55:07	michelesr[m]	predicament:  I ended up just using `paru -S paru --fm=vim` and changed the version to 1.11.2 with the proper checksum, and now it's building it
2022-11-19 13:55:09	Namarrgon	kinduff: that is your ~/.rvm crap that needs a rebuild
2022-11-19 13:55:16	predicament	yes you can do that too
2022-11-19 13:55:18	predicament	lol
2022-11-19 13:55:23	predicament	give me your PKGBUILD
2022-11-19 13:55:27	predicament	on a bpaste
2022-11-19 13:55:37	predicament	i almost did that but i wanted to try paru-bin
2022-11-19 13:55:37	Ennea	predicament, enter key ~_~
2022-11-19 13:55:41	predicament	oops
2022-11-19 13:55:44	kinduff	Namarrgon: agree, but already imploded and reinstalled, its fresh
2022-11-19 13:55:58	Namarrgon	/home/kinduff/.rvm/src/ruby-2.6.6/ruby is not fresh if it still throws that error
2022-11-19 13:56:14	predicament	Ennea thank you for reminding me again, i'm sorry lmao
2022-11-19 13:56:17	michelesr[m]	I think I've lost it since I didn't `--save`, but you need to edit both PKGBUILD and SCRINFO I think, the checksum is -> 9fd8db52894f9e7d61a3901d2c441502aab28a090083e0d6fdb58118e53a8a14
2022-11-19 13:56:29	predicament	dude i dont have all the info
2022-11-19 13:56:33	predicament	can you tell me what you did?
2022-11-19 13:56:53	predicament	did you change the release or the version or what?  just um.. bpaste it, it's there where you built the pkg
2022-11-19 13:56:58	predicament	you dont need to --savew
2022-11-19 13:57:15	predicament	go to ~/.cache/paru/clone/
2022-11-19 13:57:31	michelesr[m]	just modified the version and checksum in the PKGBUILD, and same in SRCINFO, but in SCRINFO you need also to change the version name in the source package, as the pkgver is rendered there
2022-11-19 13:57:34	predicament	then do paru.
2022-11-19 13:57:38	predicament	look in that folder.
2022-11-19 13:57:45	predicament	go to ~/.cache/paru/clone/paru
2022-11-19 13:57:59	predicament	wait no you cloned it via AUR so nevermind
2022-11-19 13:58:09	predicament	just pm me
2022-11-19 13:58:14	michelesr[m]	it's there 
2022-11-19 13:58:17	michelesr[m]	I'll paste it for you
2022-11-19 13:58:20	predicament	thank you
2022-11-19 13:58:33	predicament	i've gotta implement it on four boxes
2022-11-19 13:58:39	predicament	thats why it has not yet been done.
2022-11-19 13:58:41	Namarrgon	predicament: think first, then type complete sentences; don't abuse the enter key. don't be a help-vampire.
2022-11-19 13:58:50	predicament	okay okay
2022-11-19 13:59:10	michelesr[m]	predicament:  PKGBUILD -> http://sprunge.us/yE32Mj
2022-11-19 13:59:16	predicament	thank you michelesr[m] 
2022-11-19 13:59:31	predicament	WELL DONE sir
2022-11-19 13:59:39	michelesr[m]	predicament:  .SRCINFO -> http://sprunge.us/4Zape0
2022-11-19 13:59:54	predicament	beautiful.
2022-11-19 14:00:01	predicament	thanks :)
2022-11-19 14:00:57	michelesr[m]	but bear in mind that while that effectively updates paru, you still get the out-of-date message because the AUR hosted package is still out-of-date
2022-11-19 14:02:58	predicament	michelesr[m], next time use : arch=('i686' 'pentium4' 'x86_64' 'arm' 'armv7h' 'armv6h' 'aarch64')
2022-11-19 14:03:16	predicament	instead of all of the lines each separated.
2022-11-19 14:03:30	Namarrgon	wat
2022-11-19 14:03:39	predicament	he pasted something
2022-11-19 14:03:53	Namarrgon	are you looking at the SRCINFO?
2022-11-19 14:03:57	predicament	yes
2022-11-19 14:04:01	predicament	and the other one
2022-11-19 14:04:32	predicament	i'm just working atm so it might take me a second to implement this because it needs a rebuild obviously
2022-11-19 14:04:33	michelesr[m]	the .SCRINFO is usually autogenerated, so I don't think that's a mistake
2022-11-19 14:04:49	predicament	oh wait
2022-11-19 14:04:52	predicament	i got that mixed with
2022-11-19 14:05:16	predicament	fuck.  i pressed enter by accident.  I got that confused with the other tab in my browser, sorry about that
2022-11-19 14:05:29	predicament	it's still correct
2022-11-19 14:05:41	coruja	kinduff: i asked for your system being up-to-date as the version of openssl looked outdated (packages.a.o says 1.1.1s is current)
2022-11-19 14:05:45	tralala	I'm converting my boot from legacy to EFI. I have mbr partitioning with the first partition 2GiB fat32. I have installed the efi grub the boot option shows up in the bios, but it doesn't boot. Any ideas how can I debug this?
2022-11-19 14:05:48	michelesr[m]	even if it was an error, I just copied the stuff the way it was, so it wouldn't have been my error LoL 
2022-11-19 14:05:55	predicament	right
2022-11-19 14:06:34	Namarrgon	tralala: did you not convert the disk to gpt?
2022-11-19 14:06:55	tralala	Namarrgon, no. Can I do that without losing my data?
2022-11-19 14:07:15	kinduff	coruja: that makes sense since I installed openssl manually so I'm trying to remove it so I can install it via pkg manager. Been silent because I'm doing some detective work on my bash history.
2022-11-19 14:07:15	uuidNuniq	tralala: no you can't 
2022-11-19 14:07:24	Namarrgon	tralala: if there is still enough space behind the mbr then you can convert it with gdisk
2022-11-19 14:07:30	predicament	michael in .SRCINFO you put 11.1.1
2022-11-19 14:07:42	predicament	1.11.1* pardon.
2022-11-19 14:08:06	predicament	for pkgver
2022-11-19 14:08:40	michelesr[m]	predicament: I don't think I have, are you looking at http://sprunge.us/4Zape0 ? 
2022-11-19 14:08:47	Namarrgon	predicament: stop talking nonsense
2022-11-19 14:08:58	predicament	im not trying to talk nonsense?
2022-11-19 14:09:02	coruja	kinduff: a simple 'pacman -S openssl-1.1' doesn't work?
2022-11-19 14:09:05	predicament	sigh.
2022-11-19 14:09:06	Namarrgon	i'm already fed up with your bs and it's barely noon
2022-11-19 14:09:14	predicament	i'll shush.
2022-11-19 14:09:33	tralala	is it possible to make it work with mbr partitioning?
2022-11-19 14:09:37	uuidNuniq	Namarrgon: have a nice day. 
2022-11-19 14:09:42	predicament	^
2022-11-19 14:10:06	uuidNuniq	predicament: don't quote me
2022-11-19 14:10:09	Namarrgon	tralala: if the firmware supports it, yes, but i don't see a reason not to conver it
2022-11-19 14:10:16	uuidNuniq	i really wish they have a nice day 
2022-11-19 14:10:21	predicament	? I didn't
2022-11-19 14:10:28	predicament	i just agreed
2022-11-19 14:10:40	kinduff	coruja: it didn't, but I was finally able to compile ruby by specifying the PKG_CONFIG_PATH (now trying using rbenv) to point to "/usr/lib/openssl-1.1", which confirms my theory that I have a version mismatch on my system with 1.1.0
2022-11-19 14:11:17	coruja	predicament: you should wait 5 secs until hitting enter and ask yourself if the message is really getting the conversation forward, and if not, cancel it
2022-11-19 14:11:52	tralala	Namarrgon, the firmware does support it. It shows in the boot menu, but it doesn't boot.
2022-11-19 14:12:05	predic[a]ment	I can't really control much of it so I have to just shut up.  I try so hard and it's very difficult which is likely why i haven't been banned again, they know that.
2022-11-19 14:12:25	Namarrgon	no, i meant whether the firmware _properly_ supports booting from an mbr disk, not just claims to do it
2022-11-19 14:12:26	kinduff	thanks a lot for your helpo coruja Namarrgon Ennea I can take it from here since it is now clear that I have a version mismatch. Kudos!
2022-11-19 14:12:45	predic[a]ment	but they're telling me i'm fucking up, so, I guess that's what I'm doing so I am just gonna stop.
2022-11-19 14:13:15	predic[a]ment	(One last thing: they are right about that)
2022-11-19 14:13:18	Namarrgon	the spec allows for the firmware to boot from an 'ef' type disk on mbr but whther that works in reality is a different question
2022-11-19 14:13:21	tralala	Namarrgon, so how do I convert it to GPT? I have only two partitions - the boot and an LVM
2022-11-19 14:13:30	Namarrgon	with gdisk
2022-11-19 14:13:38	predic[a]ment	i thought you couldn't do taht.
2022-11-19 14:13:50	coruja	kinduff: you're welcome, good luck, and be careful when digging the system's bowels in future :)
2022-11-19 14:13:54	predic[a]ment	i learned something today at least
2022-11-19 14:14:12	artefact	i don't think you can, not inplace afaik. gpt is larger and wants a backup at the end of the disk
2022-11-19 14:14:23	predic[a]ment	yeah that's what I was thinkin'
2022-11-19 14:14:29	Namarrgon	it works and if there's not enough space it complains
2022-11-19 14:14:34	predic[a]ment	I wasn't able to convert mine
2022-11-19 14:15:10	predic[a]ment	i had to redo *every* partition that wasnt my /home folder lol
2022-11-19 14:16:06	predic[a]ment	michelesr[m]
2022-11-19 14:16:46	tralala	Namarrgon, ok I converted it. Do I need to install grub again?
2022-11-19 14:16:55	Namarrgon	yes
2022-11-19 14:16:58	predic[a]ment	i would.
2022-11-19 14:17:00	Namarrgon	to the ESP, this time
2022-11-19 14:17:13	tralala	esp is /boot
2022-11-19 14:17:14	predic[a]ment	i do this part so often lol
2022-11-19 14:17:16	predic[a]ment	yes it is
2022-11-19 14:17:49	coruja	predic[a]ment: mind my advice
2022-11-19 14:17:55	Namarrgon	tralala: does it have the correct partition type set?
2022-11-19 14:18:01	tralala	yes
2022-11-19 14:18:48	Namarrgon	ef00?
2022-11-19 14:18:52	tralala	yes
2022-11-19 14:18:59	uuidNuniq	tralala: https://gist.github.com/cjyar/cd5ea76a8692516767672ffc2883df92
2022-11-19 14:19:03	Namarrgon	then install grub to it and regenerate/-write grub.cfg
2022-11-19 14:20:55	uuidNuniq	kicked again?
2022-11-19 14:21:16	tralala	ok, let me reboot and see what's up
2022-11-19 14:22:01	uuidNuniq	transacid: if i were you, i would find a useless USB stick to practise 
2022-11-19 14:23:03	uuidNuniq	create the same layout as your disk, and convert it, if it goes well, then repeat on your disk 
2022-11-19 14:23:12	Ennea	i think you're highlighting the wrong person :)
2022-11-19 14:23:12	Namarrgon	they left
2022-11-19 14:23:37	uuidNuniq	oh yeah, tab. 
2022-11-19 14:24:01	astralc	!tabfail
2022-11-19 14:24:01	phrik	 0  days since the last tab failure. Completion safety is our union goal!
2022-11-19 14:24:33	⚡ 	coruja enjoys the silence
2022-11-19 14:25:35	uuidNuniq	do not mess with partition table 
2022-11-19 14:29:51	artefact	you don't even need a usb stick. just make a sparse file in tmpfs
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2022-11-19 14:33:10	uuidNuniq	artefact: like dd a img and fdisk that img?
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2022-11-19 14:34:20	tralala	Namarrgon, ok GPT worked. Thank you very much.
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2022-11-19 14:34:55	tralala	unfortunately my firmware is buggy and only boots if I select it from the boot menu. Otherwise it just freezes.
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2022-11-19 14:35:22	Namarrgon	select what from the boot menu?
2022-11-19 14:36:25	Namarrgon	what does "efibootmgr -v" return?
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2022-11-19 14:41:36	tralala	from the Bios boot menu
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2022-11-19 14:43:33	tralala	http://ix.io/4gin
2022-11-19 14:44:54	Namarrgon	that looks okay. is the firmware set to CSM/UEFI or to pure UEFI?
2022-11-19 14:45:28	Namarrgon	perhaps it's still trying to boot from the mbr
2022-11-19 14:47:16	tralala	there are just two options in the firmware UEFI and legacy. It's set to UEFI
2022-11-19 14:59:32	hackhalo2	hello, quick question. Got a 2015 macbook pro, and I want to adjust the keyboard backlight stepping from 20% to 10%. I can't find anything in the wiki about it, is it possible?
2022-11-19 14:59:55	hackhalo2	using KDE plasma if that helps
2022-11-19 15:00:36	Namarrgon	is the backlight controller listed in /sys/class/backlight?
2022-11-19 15:02:46	hackhalo2	I got qmux_backlight and radeon_bl0 there, the keyboard is under /sys/class/leds/smc::kbd_backlight
2022-11-19 15:06:09	Namarrgon	how do you change the brightness now?
2022-11-19 15:06:33	hackhalo2	the fn+f key combo
2022-11-19 15:07:06	hackhalo2	I can also echo numbers into the brightness file
2022-11-19 15:07:39	hackhalo2	but it does it in 20% increments
2022-11-19 15:07:56	hackhalo2	with echoing, I can do any number from 0-255
2022-11-19 15:08:05	Namarrgon	does macos isself allow finegrained control?
2022-11-19 15:08:19	hackhalo2	it had 10% increments
2022-11-19 15:09:58	Namarrgon	also via the fn+f combo?
2022-11-19 15:10:05	hackhalo2	yep
2022-11-19 15:10:18	hackhalo2	that's the only way you could do it under macos
2022-11-19 15:23:50	predmijat	I'm looking at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-networkd#Bridge_interface - I used to create br0 without "Bind Ethernet to bridge" step (I'm positive, because I'm looking at my server set up a while ago and all I have are br0.netdev and br0.network, but looking at the wiki history it's been there for a while...anyone have some insight?
2022-11-19 15:23:52	phrik	Title: systemd-networkd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-19 15:28:02	J_Darnley	dang null pointer dereference in timidity
2022-11-19 15:28:12	J_Darnley	I guess I won't be getting music out of this
2022-11-19 15:29:24	braindamage	if the sw doesn't directly link timidity, you can use fluidsynth as a soundfont renderer
2022-11-19 15:29:46	J_Darnley	I believe it is done through SDL
2022-11-19 15:29:55	J_Darnley	so if I can tell that then maybe
2022-11-19 15:33:49	Namarrgon	hackhalo2: i don't see anything in the kernel driver that would let you set the brightness difference
2022-11-19 15:35:21	Edu4rdSHL	predmijat, I do not understand what your question is, if there's one.
2022-11-19 15:35:39	Edu4rdSHL	insight about what ...?
2022-11-19 15:37:38	J_Darnley	I wonder if my problem is because I don't have *any* soundfonts
2022-11-19 15:37:53	hackhalo2	Namarrgon: I've been looking as well. I found the apple SMC driver that does the things, but I can't find where the script that runs when those keys are pressed
2022-11-19 15:38:20	Namarrgon	hackhalo2: there is likely no script and the keys are handled by the firmware
2022-11-19 15:39:06	hackhalo2	it reports XF86KbdBrightnessUp & Down
2022-11-19 15:39:25	Namarrgon	which DE are you using?
2022-11-19 15:40:02	hackhalo2	KDE 5 plasma 5.26.3
2022-11-19 15:40:21	Namarrgon	if you press them on a VT, does the brightness still change?
2022-11-19 15:40:46	hackhalo2	sorry, VT?
2022-11-19 15:40:59	Namarrgon	virtual terminal, the linux text console, etc
2022-11-19 15:41:13	hackhalo2	ah, that's what I thought but wanted to clarify
2022-11-19 15:41:21	hackhalo2	haven't tried that yet
2022-11-19 15:41:27	J_Darnley	ayy there we go
2022-11-19 15:43:06	hackhalo2	Namarrgon no, it doesn't change when i switch into a different TTY
2022-11-19 15:45:49	DilithiumNO3	so, is there any chance Arch's kernel will merge this 6.1-rc1 driver before 6.1 drops? https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/8b30fb40f8f2c5e56b7af553a398340f92d17aae
2022-11-19 15:45:56	DilithiumNO3	s/driver/driver patch/
2022-11-19 15:46:33	Foxboron	DilithiumNO3: Unless there is a regression that breaks a sizeable part of peoples setup you won't usually see backports
2022-11-19 15:46:36	DilithiumNO3	since I know that Arch's kernel merges RC patches once in a while, for example 5.19.7 merged a patch to hid-asus that mainline introduced in 6.0-rc3 or so
2022-11-19 15:47:00	Foxboron	If you do want to check you can always open a ticket on the bug tracker and ask
2022-11-19 15:47:04	DilithiumNO3	which fixed my laptop's keyboard brightness control, after being bugged since I installed Linux on that thing
2022-11-19 15:49:09	DilithiumNO3	Foxboron: this patch makes LED handling in hid-nintendo less strict (emitting a warning instead of refusing to connect if no home LED control is available), allowing third-party Switch controllers like 8BitDo's or the Gulikit KingKong 2 Pro to connect
2022-11-19 15:49:37	DilithiumNO3	I'm not sure whether to file it as a bug report or feature request, probably the latter though
2022-11-19 15:51:44	Foxboron	DilithiumNO3: feature, probably
2022-11-19 15:53:27	Namarrgon	hackhalo2: https://github.com/KDE/powerdevil/blob/master/daemon/backends/upower/backlighthelper.cpp that's as far as i trailed it but i have to do some other stuff now
2022-11-19 15:56:28	predmijat	Edu4rdSHL before I was able to set up br0 only with .netdev and .network files - 'eno1' would keep its assigned (public) IP, and br0 would get private range I defined and then all my LXC containers could use that subnet. On a new server I added today that no longer works like that...I added those same files, but br0 is down.
2022-11-19 15:57:53	Edu4rdSHL	predmijat, is that server ArchLinux? If yes, post your .netdev and .network files
2022-11-19 15:58:29	predmijat	!paste
2022-11-19 15:58:29	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-11-19 15:59:16	predmijat	@Edu4rdSHL it is Arch Linux. https://paste.rs/EBE
2022-11-19 15:59:28	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-19 15:59:49	Edu4rdSHL	What's the output of `udevadm test-builtin net_setup_link /sys/class/net/br0`
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2022-11-19 16:02:42	predmijat	Edu4rdSHL https://paste.rs/IqN - I'm guessing the 'device already set' is the issue
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2022-11-19 16:13:03	Edu4rdSHL	predmijat, you nmeed to attach at least one interface to your bridge
2022-11-19 16:13:05	Edu4rdSHL	need *
2022-11-19 16:13:19	Edu4rdSHL	That's how bridge interfaces works
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2022-11-19 16:13:39	linuxuser88	is it safe to use without conflict some window manager like i3-gaps, bspwm together with full DE like Xfce, KDE, GNOME?
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2022-11-19 16:13:52	predmijat	Well yes, but I'm telling you that it works on the server I already have :) hence my confusion.
2022-11-19 16:14:40	Edu4rdSHL	Pretty sure it isn't working without that
2022-11-19 16:14:48	Edu4rdSHL	It's set somewhere else or so
2022-11-19 16:15:37	predmijat	That's what started this thread :) I'm trying to find out where else could it be set up, because I 100% created only .netdev and .network for br0, nothing else
2022-11-19 16:16:31	predmijat	I'm 100% sure because I'm looking at the Ansible playbook that created it
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2022-11-19 16:18:44	predmijat	also, if I create that additional "bind" file where I add existing interface to bridge, I end up with IP only on br0 - that is not the case with this existing server. It has the "original" public IP on the interface, and then private subnet on br0.
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2022-11-19 16:48:55	predmijat	@Edu4rdSHL I'm not sure what fixed it, but after rebooting the VPS and LXC, LXC got the IP from that subnet defined in br0.network, and `ip a` on host shows IP on both eno1 and br0 interfaces. I don't have an explanation, but it is what happend
2022-11-19 16:48:57	tralala	Does the installation image have a web browser?
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2022-11-19 16:56:09	tralala	h4rd3n3d, not anymore. I can't find any text browser which is strange.
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2022-11-19 16:58:40	Scimmia	it should have one, but I don't remember if it was links, lynx, elinks, etc
2022-11-19 16:58:59	lolok	depending how old the installation image is, sometimes you can install things inside the live system, but no guarantee that works
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2022-11-19 17:00:36	tralala	ah, yes - there is lynx
2022-11-19 17:01:02	tralala	thanks guys
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2022-11-19 19:22:14	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-11-19 19:22:14	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1447 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1446 normals)
2022-11-19 17:57:08	catman	does anyone who runs nix on arch have a working nix-daemon.service file? I'm trying to increase the file limit per the wiki but can't seem to locate one or write one per the nix docs.
2022-11-19 18:10:29	spaceseller	Erus_Iluvatar, we talk about Gigabyte G5, now I read that Lenovo Legion 5 has better thermals, screeen and battery life. 
2022-11-19 18:11:26	popsch	I get really slow performance on X11 for a week or so now. Firefox visually lags, nautilus is slow to redraw, I can nearly type faster than letters appear. I don't have the problem with other applications such as the terminal (urxvt) or emacs. Any idea how to debug this?
2022-11-19 18:29:48	popsch	Did arch recently change something? nautilus has terrible load performance; thunar still loads the directory instantly
2022-11-19 18:30:12	Namarrgon	it's unusual when something doesn't change with arch
2022-11-19 18:30:15	Edu4rdSHL	Koragg, yes. Add --now if you want it for your current session 
2022-11-19 18:30:46	Namarrgon	popsch: does the behaviour depend on any particular path?
2022-11-19 18:31:21	WhyNotHugo	Foxboron: I guess I'll find out when the need for a static IP comes (e.g.: I break my OpenWrt device).
2022-11-19 18:31:29	popsch	Namarrgon, no; firefox also now has terrible refresh/draw performance, but other apps are fine
2022-11-19 18:31:43	WhyNotHugo	On a network with no DHCP server, could it somehow interfere?
2022-11-19 18:31:52	Namarrgon	popsch: nvidia?
2022-11-19 18:32:01	popsch	yes
2022-11-19 18:32:58	WhyNotHugo	Foxboron[m]: You're here twice?
2022-11-19 18:33:25	Edu4rdSHL	[m] == Matrix
2022-11-19 18:33:57	Foxboron	WhyNotHugo: yes
2022-11-19 18:34:18	Foxboron	or hmm, Foxboron[m] shouldn't actually be here
2022-11-19 18:34:31	Foxboron	weird it has rejoined
2022-11-19 18:40:02	gehidore	kill it
2022-11-19 18:40:39	D-rex	anyone know how set a logid.cfg for the mx master 3 to have application specific binds?  
2022-11-19 18:41:59	D-rex	this is my curernt config https://pastebin.com/UcJECyBd
2022-11-19 18:42:00	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/olAV.ZOtJnNMJ
2022-11-19 18:42:00	phrik	Title: devices: ( { name: "Wireless Mouse MX Master 3"; smartshi - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-11-19 18:42:56	spaceseller	Erus_Iluvatar, yea, that you didn't start with G5 I wouldn't notice. Legion 5 is cheaper then 5 Pro
2022-11-19 18:43:16	susi	Edu4rdSHL: [m]'s not for male :o
2022-11-19 18:43:26	susi	I thought pronouns came to irc
2022-11-19 18:43:33	Edu4rdSHL	lol
2022-11-19 18:44:47	braindamage	pronouns are supported on irc only in form of reaction emojiis
2022-11-19 18:48:14	Koragg	is it possible to change what the progress bar of downloading/installing packages is in pacman? I have seen sometimes people have a pacman character appear to be eating the pills of the pacman game as progress bar, how is such theming accomplished?
2022-11-19 18:49:23	braindamage	it's an easter egg in the config
2022-11-19 18:49:48	lolok	idk, i like my rice with salt and butter, no need veggies
2022-11-19 18:50:37	Koragg	ah it is somewhere in the configuration file, thank you for the pointer
2022-11-19 19:03:40	rapha	hi all!
2022-11-19 19:03:50	rapha	i'm trying to install https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/spotify but none of the tips in the comments help
2022-11-19 19:03:54	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - spotify (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-11-19 19:03:55	rapha	can somebody help me?
2022-11-19 19:05:15	Ennea	you're not even telling us what problems you're facing
2022-11-19 19:06:18	rapha	Ennea: no passing the validity check.
2022-11-19 19:06:40	rapha	it seems Spotify keeps releasing new versions and the AUR package keeps updating the version number but not the checkums, or something.
2022-11-19 19:07:03	rapha	i just want to install this. i honestly don't even care about stupid validity checks at this point.
2022-11-19 19:07:15	rapha	can't they just be disabled?
2022-11-19 19:07:17	ChrisWarrick	they can
2022-11-19 19:08:08	another|	man makepkg
2022-11-19 19:10:24	rapha	another|: even with --skipinteg it says:
2022-11-19 19:10:36	rapha	spotify-1.1.84.716-x86_64.deb: FAILED
2022-11-19 19:10:38	rapha	sha512sum: WARNING: 1 computed checksum did NOT matchy
2022-11-19 19:11:20	another|	--skipchecksums ?
2022-11-19 19:12:15	Koragg	is that preferable to downloading the PKGFILE and commenting out the checksum field?
2022-11-19 19:12:54	astralc	Koragg: it is preferable to put new checksum, if it changed
2022-11-19 19:13:07	braindamage	preferable, no, but it's certainly faster for testing
2022-11-19 19:13:10	Koragg	I meant if I must skip it for reasons, like the maintainer did not update it (asi n this case)
2022-11-19 19:13:37	rapha	but doesn't work either
2022-11-19 19:13:41	rapha	i will try Koragg's method
2022-11-19 19:13:57	Koragg	both should work equally by the sounds of it 
2022-11-19 19:14:34	rapha	there is no "checksum" field, only "sha512sums" and outcommenting it does nothing, even with makepkg --skipinteg --skipchecksums -si
2022-11-19 19:15:47	Scimmia	What command are you running, exactly?
2022-11-19 19:16:16	rapha	makepkg --skipinteg --skipchecksums -si
2022-11-19 19:16:24	rapha	oh!
2022-11-19 19:16:38	rapha	ok i made it work by out-commenting the entire contents of the prepare() function
2022-11-19 19:16:41	Koragg	in a forked PKGBUILD I made, the md5sums field/line is commented out, and in another line there is: md5sums=('SKIP')
2022-11-19 19:16:52	astralc	don't comment 'prepare'
2022-11-19 19:16:53	rapha	thank you all!
2022-11-19 19:17:02	astralc	you will just break the build
2022-11-19 19:17:03	Koragg	of course this is NOT a safe way as you should verify you can trust the source etc
2022-11-19 19:17:15	Koragg	but as a quick and dirty workaround when you can trust the package
2022-11-19 19:17:33	rapha	yeah i know Koragg 
2022-11-19 19:17:51	Scimmia	astralc: how do you figure that?
2022-11-19 19:17:53	rapha	have a date come visit me for the first time in like 10 mins
2022-11-19 19:17:59	rapha	no time to figure this out for real
2022-11-19 19:19:15	rapha	bye!
2022-11-19 19:22:15	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-19 19:22:21	popsch	Namarrgon, I figured it out. Nautilus and firefox are slow since the gnome-4 update. nautilus-42.1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst runs perfectly normal and fast. nautilus-43.0-1 causes huge slowdown in loading directories.
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2022-11-19 19:29:53	Namarrgon	popsch: did you find any up- or downstream bugreports?
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2022-11-19 19:34:23	catman	sorry my machine froze.. i was asking about nix-daemon.service earlier. i used the nix script not the aur to install. i don't think i have the file and that's why i'm asking.
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2022-11-19 19:40:55	ℹ 	Gento167 es conocido ahora como Gento166
2022-11-19 19:41:12	Edu4rdSHL	That's why you don't use scripts but PKGBUILDs to install software on your machine
2022-11-19 19:41:16	ℹ 	braindamage es conocido ahora como BrainDamage
2022-11-19 19:41:19	◣	xx (~xx@user/xx) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-11-19 19:41:22	Edu4rdSHL	And nix is not in the AUR.
2022-11-19 19:41:28	Edu4rdSHL	It's in the official repos.
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2022-11-19 19:44:45	catman	followed the wiki
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2022-11-19 19:45:59	catman	and it is in the aur
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2022-11-19 19:46:39	catman	nix-git
2022-11-19 19:47:19	◣	tpowa (~tpowa@archlinux/developer/tpowa) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-11-19 19:47:43	catman	and i wasn't looking for a lecture.. i was asking for someone to provide a copy of their service file.
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2022-11-19 19:50:36	Edu4rdSHL	The wiki literaly says to use the repo package. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Nix#Native
2022-11-19 19:50:37	phrik	Title: Nix - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-19 19:51:14	Edu4rdSHL	And only one is supported by the Arch community so...
2022-11-19 19:51:43	Edu4rdSHL	The wiki doesn't even mentions nix-git 
2022-11-19 19:51:49	catman	nevermind
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2022-11-19 19:52:30	Edu4rdSHL	So, TLDR: uninstall the other thing, install the package and you have the file.
2022-11-19 19:52:31	Edu4rdSHL	!next
2022-11-19 19:52:32	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-11-19 19:52:44	catman	i fixed it on my own
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2022-11-19 19:58:04	catman	and while you two guys jerk each other off.. i shall go back to my life.
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2022-11-19 19:59:32	gr33n7007h	catman: chill bro!
2022-11-19 19:59:56	Edu4rdSHL	People is giving you a good advice, take it as you want.
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2022-11-19 20:03:57	catman	huh? i wasn't asking for advice. i was requesting a file. that's it. you could have simply ignored my request.
2022-11-19 20:05:03	Edu4rdSHL	And the file is in the package, so use it.
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2022-11-19 20:05:31	catman	lol 
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2022-11-19 20:06:05	catman	too bad social skills weren't in the package for you to use
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2022-11-19 20:06:28	Edu4rdSHL	I'm not interested on that. :p
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2022-11-19 20:44:59	rsaavedra	Is woeusbgui from woeusb-ng AUR package safe to run? I find it weird it needs sudo permission...
2022-11-19 20:45:39	◣	kattjevfel (~katt@user/katt) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-11-19 20:46:18	Edu4rdSHL	What's weird about that
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2022-11-19 20:46:57	Edu4rdSHL	It needs to write directly to a device
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2022-11-19 20:48:23	rsaavedra	True
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2022-11-19 20:50:22	Nazral	Hi, my laptop froze and after reboot, systemd-boot is only offering me the "reboot into the firmware" option
2022-11-19 20:50:36	Nazral	I've tried bootctl install, bootctl update etc, made sure the entries are still there
2022-11-19 20:50:48	Nazral	(from an install key)
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2022-11-19 20:51:15	Nazral	but I still can't reboot on the ssd, any idea what could have gone wrong ? 
2022-11-19 20:51:23	astralc	in esp/loader/entries/...?
2022-11-19 20:51:38	Nazral	everything  is still there, I've got arch.conf 
2022-11-19 20:51:54	astralc	did you check it is OK?
2022-11-19 20:51:56	Nazral	yes
2022-11-19 20:52:13	astralc	is `bootctl status` tell about it?
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2022-11-19 20:52:49	astralc	also 'fsck' the filesystem (of the ESP)
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2022-11-19 20:55:48	Nazral	said there are differences between the filesystem and its backup, so I restored the backup
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2022-11-19 20:57:16	astralc	backup? fat32 have backups?
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2022-11-19 20:57:53	Nazral	astralc: I guess it did, because that made the trick ! 
2022-11-19 20:57:59	Nazral	thanks a lot ! 
2022-11-19 20:58:07	astralc	cool!
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2022-11-19 21:00:24	Scimmia	If the kernel's not there, it won't show the entry
2022-11-19 21:01:54	Nazral	Scimmia: I had forced a reinstall of the linux package (which restores the image if I am not mistaken?) 
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2022-11-19 21:02:38	astralc	Nazral: yes, one of the hooks copy it too /boot
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2022-11-19 21:24:28	kulak	I have old Arch with Gnome installation and I am on 43.1.  When I type edit I get gedit editor.  I have installed Arch yesterday on laptop and edit brings Gnome Editor.  Same version.  I am not sure how I missed Gnome Editor.
2022-11-19 21:25:57	astralc	maybe it is new in the gnome group
2022-11-19 21:26:47	heat	edit as in the command?
2022-11-19 21:27:14	astralc	https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/gnome-text-editor/
2022-11-19 21:27:16	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - gnome-text-editor 43.1-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-11-19 21:27:19	heat	/bin/edit should be provided by core/vi
2022-11-19 21:27:51	heat	ah, I see. type edit as in the search bar thingy
2022-11-19 21:27:52	astralc	heat: "edit" in the application search
2022-11-19 21:27:54	heat	yeah
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2022-11-19 21:49:29	popsch	Namarrgon, Others complain about slowdown: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/nautilus-slow-to-open-after-2022-11-14-stable/126950
2022-11-19 21:49:31	phrik	Title: Nautilus slow to open after [2022-11-14 stable] - Gnome - Manjaro Linux Forum (at forum.manjaro.org)
2022-11-19 21:54:16	Namarrgon	popsch: is there anything nautilus/gvfs related in the logs when this happens?
2022-11-19 21:54:44	popsch	Nope, no logs
2022-11-19 21:55:57	popsch	Namarrgon, what's disconcerting is that firefox is also slow since gnome 4 release; but maybe it's only the libgnome-desktop library that screwed up everything.
2022-11-19 21:56:24	Namarrgon	which packages did you have to downgrade to fix it?
2022-11-19 21:56:37	kulak	I have not noticed a problem with Firefox.
2022-11-19 21:56:41	popsch	nautilus-42.1.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst libnautilus-extension-42.2-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst gnome-desktop-1:42.4-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst gnome-desktop-common-1:42.4-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
2022-11-19 21:56:56	popsch	I need to see the problem with firefox yet after the downgrade
2022-11-19 21:59:35	popsch	Now i need to see how to lock nautilus-42.1.1-1 so pacman doesn't upgrade.
2022-11-19 22:04:19	Namarrgon	popsch: did you check the upstream bugtracker?
2022-11-19 22:27:02	popsch	Namarrgon, no, nothing on there 
2022-11-19 22:27:17	popsch	(assuming this is the bug tracker: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus )
2022-11-19 22:27:20	phrik	Title: GNOME / Files · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
2022-11-19 22:27:32	Namarrgon	popsch: yes. open a new one, maybe they know how to best debug it.
2022-11-19 22:28:07	macoy_abz	join #libera
2022-11-19 23:16:28	orbisvicis	I'm using archlinux in virtualbox from vagrant, and after updating the guest additions, starting the sshd daemon from systemd just hangs with this message in journalctl:
2022-11-19 23:16:30	orbisvicis	SSH Key Generation was skipped because no trigger condition checks were met.
2022-11-19 23:17:23	orbisvicis	I've checked the config with sshd -t -f /etc/ssh/sshd_config
2022-11-19 23:19:21	orbisvicis	must be a problem sshdgenkeys.service
2022-11-19 23:21:31	girafe	this night, it's demoparty ! https://scenesat.com/video
2022-11-19 23:21:34	phrik	Title: Video stream | SceneSat (at scenesat.com)
2022-11-20 00:31:25	arjab	Hey everybody, I can't seem to add a user on archiso creation. I follow the respective section of the wiki, replaced "archie" with my user's name and generated a password hash. But when I boot into the created ISO I always get "Login incorrect". What am I missing?
2022-11-20 00:39:05	Koragg	arjab: one thought might be: did you create the user while you were chroot'ed into your installation via arch-chroot? 
2022-11-20 00:39:33	Scimmia	Koragg: they're creating an ISO
2022-11-20 00:39:47	arjab	Koragg Yes, I'm talking about this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Archiso#Users_and_passwords
2022-11-20 00:39:48	Koragg	oh I misread that entirely, my apologies
2022-11-20 00:39:48	phrik	Title: Archiso - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-20 00:40:34	Koragg	I was pondering making my own archiso sometime for future installations: on an amd quad core with 8 GB of RAM, how long would it most likely take? has anyone measured that perhaps?
2022-11-20 00:41:47	arjab	Koragg Totally depends on the amount of packages. But for me the releng profile only took a couple of minutes on a Ryzen 5 3600.
2022-11-20 00:42:29	Koragg	my installation is quite large, roughly 3300 packages. should I expect half an hour or so then?
2022-11-20 00:43:25	Scimmia	What does your installation have to do with it?
2022-11-20 00:44:29	Betal	grawity, SysGhost: thunar-devel (from aur) fix the 'modified time' issue, no "Unknown" after copying from android
2022-11-20 01:05:25	susi	which one of "a2dp-sink", "a2dp-sink-sbc" or "a2dp-sink-sbc_xq"  will be the best?
2022-11-20 01:06:06	susi	low-tek shittie garbage laptop, e402na
2022-11-20 01:07:41	susi	g >Device:	Celeron N3350/Pentium N4200/Atom E3900 Series Audio Cluster
2022-11-20 01:07:53	susi	so nothing to even mention
2022-11-20 01:08:41	susi	that's from lspci @ 'audio device'
2022-11-20 01:09:25	susi	should I use "a2dp-sink", or -sbc, or -sbc_xq for music playage?
2022-11-20 01:16:46	coruja	!give susi tias
2022-11-20 01:16:47	phrik	susi: Try It And See™
2022-11-20 01:19:57	rcf	susi: sbc xq is preferable 
2022-11-20 01:35:05	another|	sbc xq if possible
2022-11-20 01:37:59	another|	a2dp-sink is just a generic name and will default to some implementation
2022-11-20 01:47:29	susi	thanks
2022-11-20 03:09:44	Namarrgon	you can use 'setfont' to set a different, larger, font
2022-11-20 03:10:45	pounce	13.37 DPI is 170
2022-11-20 03:11:39	pounce	Namarrgon: these are the fonts in /usr/lib/kbd/consolefonts, no?
2022-11-20 03:11:48	pounce	that directory doesn't exist until / is mounted
2022-11-20 03:12:17	Namarrgon	yes, that directory
2022-11-20 03:12:26	Namarrgon	are you talking about the initramfs shell then?
2022-11-20 03:12:32	pounce	yes
2022-11-20 03:13:00	pounce	wait i think i know why it's not booting
2022-11-20 03:13:02	Namarrgon	do you have the consolefont mkinitcpio hook set?
2022-11-20 03:13:30	pounce	don't think so
2022-11-20 03:13:56	Namarrgon	that + setting a proper font in /etc/vconsole.conf should give you a readable shell in the initramfs
2022-11-20 03:14:04	Namarrgon	as well as in the regular system
2022-11-20 03:18:40	rcf	So I guess the answer for now is 'grab a magnifying glass' until the proper system boots \
2022-11-20 03:19:16	Namarrgon	you could set a lower resolution via video= but i'm not sure if that works well without kms
2022-11-20 03:20:51	pounce	booted! thanks all
2022-11-20 03:21:17	pounce	i always forget that these BIOS settings get reset when the CMOS battery runs out: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dell_XPS_13_(9300)#UEFI
2022-11-20 03:21:19	phrik	Title: Dell XPS 13 (9300) - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-20 03:39:01	topcat001	`setfont ter-216n` should give something decent I think.
2022-11-20 03:39:36	topcat001	the terminus-font package has more options
2022-11-20 03:40:42	topcat001	(the format for setfont is roughly fnt-<codepage-code=2><size=16><style=n>)
2022-11-20 05:04:21	pulec	anyone tried grub savedefaults and grub-set-default + grub-reboot?
2022-11-20 05:04:41	pulec	gotta have enabled > This requires setting GRUB_DEFAULT=saved in /etc/default/grub.
2022-11-20 05:04:57	pulec	that put savedefault under each entry in my grub.cfg
2022-11-20 05:05:29	pulec	but from few grub-reboot 0 or 1 I tried it only booted to uefi bios
2022-11-20 05:05:38	pulec	and afaik it supposed to only try to boot once
2022-11-20 05:05:55	pulec	had to revert everything via archiso
2022-11-20 05:44:58	XeroOl	Hello, I have a fresh install of arch, and I am happy with how clean my home directory is. (not very many dotfiles)   I want to keep it that way by disabling my write permission for ~.  How bad of an idea is this?
2022-11-20 05:46:07	pulec	lol, very bad
2022-11-20 05:46:39	pulec	your .bash_history won't get saved for example or whatever term you use
2022-11-20 05:46:55	pulec	you might be trying new program and it will fail when trying to save to ~/.*
2022-11-20 05:47:10	XeroOl	I think that file has already been created, so history in particular would be fine
2022-11-20 05:47:15	pulec	XeroOl: you might rather look at configs to minimize bash history
2022-11-20 05:47:30	pulec	but I suggest just get with it, nothing will be clean lol
2022-11-20 05:47:39	glitsj16	it'll stay clean allright, not much is going to work
2022-11-20 05:47:53	XeroOl	fair enough lol. Thank you for the help
2022-11-20 05:48:10	pulec	you could also have those . files in git
2022-11-20 05:48:35	pulec	to watch how they change and if you want to revert
2022-11-20 05:49:15	XeroOl	ideally I would just know ahead of time if a program wants to write to ~/.myrandomfile
2022-11-20 05:49:32	XeroOl	and then I could configure it to use ~/.config/myrandomfile instead
2022-11-20 05:50:32	pulec	you might
2022-11-20 05:50:35	glitsj16	XeroOl: not every program follows the XDG standards, but many do
2022-11-20 05:50:43	pulec	or you could set your home to /home/$USER/mycleanplace
2022-11-20 05:51:20	XeroOl	What do you mean by setting home?
2022-11-20 05:51:34	pulec	idk :D
2022-11-20 05:51:49	XeroOl	do you mean like redefining the meaning of ~, or just adding a cd into .bashrc
2022-11-20 05:51:53	glitsj16	XDG_CONFIG_HOME
2022-11-20 05:51:53	pulec	like if you open your 'file explorer' or 'term' you see your clean place
2022-11-20 05:52:01	pulec	not those ugly .dotfiles!
2022-11-20 05:53:02	pulec	glad to report unreal-engine-bin from aur works fine
2022-11-20 05:53:15	pulec	much more easier than non bin version and compiling
2022-11-20 05:53:28	pulec	very heavy on IO as the bin version moves around 50gigs
2022-11-20 06:07:46	lord_daemon	does anyone know streaming software like vlc but that records only when motion is detected?
2022-11-20 07:01:35	txtsd	I've configured unbound to use the redis backend. But I'm not sure if it's even actually saving cache to redis. redis doesn't show me any existing databases.
2022-11-20 07:09:01	glitsj16	txtsd: what shows when you run `redis-check-rdb`? 
2022-11-20 07:09:35	txtsd	glitsj16: Usage: redis-check-rdb <rdb-file-name>
2022-11-20 07:10:11	txtsd	Am I supposed to know the rdb name? There's nothing explicitly configured for it in unbound, except a "secret-seed".
2022-11-20 07:14:21	glitsj16	txtsd: unless you changed defaults in /etc/redis/redis.conf it uses /var/lib/redis/dump.rdb
2022-11-20 07:15:36	glitsj16	you can also follow live stats by running `redis-cli --stat`
2022-11-20 07:17:51	txtsd	glitsj16: https://paste.sr.ht/blob/b43537de8401dfed9d88764ff84d1826df33e12a
2022-11-20 07:21:33	glitsj16	txtsd: '0 keys', no connected clients... current setup isn't working apparently
2022-11-20 07:22:16	glitsj16	did you restart unbound after setting up redis?
2022-11-20 07:22:27	txtsd	Yes I did. I ran unbound-checkconf too, it says no errors.
2022-11-20 07:22:35	txtsd	unbound log isn't saying anything about the backend either.
2022-11-20 07:26:37	glitsj16	anything in `redis-check-rdb /var/lib/redis/dump.rdb` that's providing more info?
2022-11-20 07:28:02	txtsd	Only what I included in the paste above
2022-11-20 07:28:15	glitsj16	hmmm, okay
2022-11-20 07:30:12	glitsj16	i'm thinking aloud, could it be systemd start ordering causing this? meaning, have you checked the redis service is started before unbound?
2022-11-20 07:31:49	txtsd	I haven't done a restart yet. I started redis.service in this session while I've been trying to configure it.
2022-11-20 07:32:48	glitsj16	ah, that might explain what your paste shows
2022-11-20 07:32:56	XeroOl	Hello, for some reason vivaldi isn't working on sway. Is this intended or am I doing something wrong?
2022-11-20 07:33:12	XeroOl	"Missing X server or $DISPLAY"
2022-11-20 07:33:45	txtsd	glitsj16: I don't understand. Why would it be different after a restart?
2022-11-20 07:35:57	glitsj16	txtsd: well, maybe i misunderstood. but if your redis configuring is ongoing, unbound might not get these changes
2022-11-20 07:36:49	glitsj16	txtsd: what happens when you restart both? redis first obviously
2022-11-20 07:37:22	egl	XeroOl: just search for the answer? but to be nice: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Vivaldi#Native_Wayland_support
2022-11-20 07:37:23	phrik	Title: Vivaldi - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-20 07:37:34	egl	XeroOl: sway, what is that?
2022-11-20 07:37:55	XeroOl	sway is a wayland window manager
2022-11-20 07:38:05	egl	!next
2022-11-20 07:38:06	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-11-20 07:38:38	XeroOl	hold on I am not satisfied yet
2022-11-20 07:39:06	egl	so sway isnt an X11 window manager?
2022-11-20 07:39:19	XeroOl	the arch wiki says to go to the chrome://flags page, but the browsee crashes before even launching
2022-11-20 07:39:25	XeroOl	yeah, sway isn't x11
2022-11-20 07:39:42	egl	is there a config file for Vivaldi you can edit directly using a terminal?
2022-11-20 07:40:05	XeroOl	I'm looking to sew
2022-11-20 07:40:09	XeroOl	see*
2022-11-20 07:41:45	XeroOl	ahh, you can do it with command-line flags
2022-11-20 07:41:55	egl	nice find
2022-11-20 07:42:05	egl	how to persist them tho?
2022-11-20 07:42:07	egl	any way to do that?
2022-11-20 07:44:21	XeroOl	via the chrome://flags page
2022-11-20 07:44:49	XeroOl	I've now bootstrapped my web browser configuration :)
2022-11-20 07:46:12	txtsd	glitsj16: Thanks for your help! I was missing the module-config key in unbound.conf. After I set that to "validator cachedb iterator", `redis-cli --stat` now shows a non-zero amount of keys.
2022-11-20 07:47:49	glitsj16	txtsd: great, it's actually a nice combo unbound + redis
2022-11-20 07:48:27	txtsd	glitsj16: Yes I had a makeshift solution for saving and reloading cache, but it was cumbersome. I'm hoping redis will be a good solution instead.
2022-11-20 07:48:48	txtsd	glitsj16: https://git.sr.ht/~txtsd/unbound-cache
2022-11-20 07:48:49	phrik	Title: ~txtsd/unbound-cache - sourcehut git (at git.sr.ht)
2022-11-20 07:50:44	glitsj16	txtsd: thanks for the link, didn't know about that one
2022-11-20 07:51:16	txtsd	I made it a few weeks ago. It's based on another script found in unbound/contrib.
2022-11-20 07:55:39	glitsj16	i do like tools like unbound-control that avoid restarting services
2022-11-20 07:58:14	glitsj16	i have a 'flush-dns-cache' script where i use it. redis-cli  FLUSHALL is a similar tool
2022-11-20 07:59:35	glitsj16	txtsd: out of curiosity, what made it cumbersome?
2022-11-20 08:02:26	eagle	txtsd: they did... https://redis.io/docs/management/persistence/
2022-11-20 08:02:27	phrik	Title: Redis persistence | Redis (at redis.io)
2022-11-20 08:03:42	txtsd	glitsj16: I have to run it once to load cache on every system restart. The cache size decreases sometimes. I would assume it would keep increasing with usage. So it's impractical to check whether the cache should be replaced based on size etc.
2022-11-20 08:05:04	txtsd	eagle: What are you repling to?
2022-11-20 08:05:34	eagle	txtsd | glitsj16: Yes I had a makeshift solution for saving and reloading cache, but it was cumbersome. I'm hoping redis will be a good solution instead.
2022-11-20 08:05:40	glitsj16	txtsd: thanks for explaining, i looked at the code in the mean time, but i can see how that's impractical indeed
2022-11-20 08:07:57	txtsd	eagle: Oh. Not sure what you mean by "they did". I was talking about unbound-cache, which uses unbound-control.
2022-11-20 08:08:08	txtsd	That was before I knew I could use redis.
2022-11-20 08:08:25	eagle	txtsd: aha, my apologies good internetizen
2022-11-20 08:08:35	eagle	txtsd: redis++
2022-11-20 08:08:50	txtsd	It's cool haha
2022-11-20 08:08:55	glitsj16	eagle: yeah, it's good info to be aware of the different redis options for persistent cache. in the case of unbound RDB's advantages pretty much > disadvantages in my opinion and testing
2022-11-20 08:09:33	eagle	glitsj16: speed and continuity is a plus, as well as shardability
2022-11-20 08:09:48	eagle	glitsj16: but like... that unbound server better actually need it otherwise its just a learning exercise
2022-11-20 08:10:34	txtsd	eagle: Thanks for that link though. I need to configure my snapshot timings because I have frequent power outages where I live.
2022-11-20 08:10:36	glitsj16	eagle: how do you mean? unbound works fine even without persistent caching
2022-11-20 08:11:36	eagle	glitsj16: unbound + redis in general
2022-11-20 08:11:54	txtsd	My unbound is for my entire home network. Without a persistent cache, initial queries after power outages and a restart take some time.
2022-11-20 08:12:41	glitsj16	eagle: oh i think i see your point now, it is a learning experiment in my case. strictly hobbyist use cases, nothing mission-critical
2022-11-20 08:15:09	eagle	ya, was just saying redis unbound is something I would consider for like 1.1.1.1
2022-11-20 08:15:12	eagle	lol
2022-11-20 08:17:40	glitsj16	i'm actually trying to make unbound understand more key/value server backends, redis is the only one officially supported if my info is up-to-date
2022-11-20 08:36:45	txtsd	I have 1500+ keys cached already!
2022-11-20 10:30:35	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-11-20 12:05:26	girafe	https://linux.developpez.com/actu/338668/La-prochaine-iteration-de-Rust-for-Linux-pour-la-version-6-2-du-noyau-est-en-cours-de-gestation-et-ravive-le-debat-sur-la-necessite-de-la-mise-au-rebut-du-C-en-matiere-de-programmation-systeme/
2022-11-20 12:05:28	phrik	Title: La prochaine itération de Rust for Linux pour la version 6.2 du noyau est en cours de gestation et ravive le débat sur la nécessité de la mise au rebut du C en matière de programmation système (at linux.developpez.com)
2022-11-20 12:25:54	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-11-20 12:45:09	lionkor	Hello, I'm trying to run a Ubuntu 22.04 virtual machine via virt-manager, and selecting the "Virtio" video model with 3d acceleration, as well as the SPICE server display, with listen type "None" and OpenGL enabled, I get the following error: https://pastebin.com/GHm6FrCL
2022-11-20 12:45:10	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/ol2i.kBloRzQs
2022-11-20 12:45:10	phrik	Title: Error starting domain: internal error: process exited while connecting to monito - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-11-20 12:45:58	lionkor	I simply want a Ubuntu 22.04 VM with 3d acceleration - I know VirtualBox can do it, but it has other unrelated issues for me, so I'd like to use virtio etc.
2022-11-20 12:46:14	lionkor	(I'm on arch)
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2022-11-20 12:53:37	throstur	RE: yesterdays monitor issue... yeah, there is some power supply problem, it almost comes on, tries to turn on... then dies
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2022-11-20 12:57:39	throstur	not sure yet, but yesterday I tried a separate cable so I'm thinking internal capacitor is busted
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2022-11-20 12:59:30	throstur	turned it off a while and on again and it seem sto be "charging" lol, but it'll turn the screen on black and go back to standby now
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2022-11-20 13:15:00	ℹ 	vitali64 es conocido ahora como f_
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2022-11-20 13:42:11	zulc22	hey does anyone know how i can turn an animated gif into a plymouth theme
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2022-11-20 13:42:27	zulc22	googling did net results, but it was a archived github repo from about 4 years ago
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2022-11-20 13:44:56	Ennea	taking a quick look at the format... looks like you just need each frame as a separate image, and that's basically it
2022-11-20 13:45:04	Ennea	script may need a little adjusting perhaps
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2022-11-20 14:40:21	Namarrgon	lionkor: which gpu do you use on the host?
2022-11-20 14:43:10	Namarrgon	this seems to be a common issue with nvidia drivers
2022-11-20 14:50:57	lionkor	Namarrgon: RTX 2070, yea, probably that. I have no idea - I just ended up running qemu manually, with `-device virtio-vga-gl -display sdl,gl=on`, and it worked. I also installed mesa with virtgl in the guest, but the other VM failed way before boot, so that wasn't the issue
2022-11-20 14:51:08	lionkor	Thank you very much for responding, though!
2022-11-20 14:52:02	lionkor	my uni decided to give us a broken ubuntu 22.04 vm, so everyone is dual booting ubuntu instead, but i cant do that - so this is my solution lol
2022-11-20 14:58:46	diep	Hi all, since recent update my firefox browser consume lot of CPU abnormaly as soon as I open a page, even if it's a simple static page like an archlinux wiki page.
2022-11-20 14:59:54	diep	Any idea of what could be the problem?
2022-11-20 15:00:12	diep	I dont have this problem at all on chormium for example
2022-11-20 15:01:07	diep	And didnt see this previously with Firefox, since I use it as my daily driver from several years now, and on this specific machine since 2018
2022-11-20 15:01:18	diep	never encountered that problem before
2022-11-20 15:03:01	diep	It's crazy, like if I start to open like more than 5 tabs, it makes my linux almost unusable because of that uge cpu consumption
2022-11-20 15:03:15	diep	wtf
2022-11-20 15:04:49	jelle	diep: tried a new profile?
2022-11-20 15:05:16	diep	jelle: what do mean by "new profile"?
2022-11-20 15:05:22	jelle	diep: a new firefox profile
2022-11-20 15:05:35	diep	nope as far as I know
2022-11-20 15:06:26	jelle	diep: I mean to say, try a new profile see if it occurs there too
2022-11-20 15:06:44	diep	let me try
2022-11-20 15:07:35	diep	but im not sure, profile is like a firefox account I use to sync all stuff?
2022-11-20 15:07:57	jelle	diep: firefox -P => create profile
2022-11-20 15:10:59	diep	hmm yes on a fresh profile I dont have the problem
2022-11-20 15:11:03	diep	wtf
2022-11-20 15:11:14	diep	could be caused by an addons?
2022-11-20 15:11:19	jelle	it could be yes
2022-11-20 15:12:09	BrainDamage	try --safe-mode to skip loading addons
2022-11-20 15:12:32	diep	yup
2022-11-20 15:14:07	diep	yes with --safe-mode on my default profile the problem is not present as well
2022-11-20 15:14:44	diep	but does not help so much to find out what is the cause, could be addon or a setting
2022-11-20 15:14:52	diep	idk
2022-11-20 15:15:47	Ennea	binary search through your addons. disable half. if the problem persists, disable half of that. if it doesn't, continue with the other half. and so on
2022-11-20 15:15:57	diep	yea
2022-11-20 15:16:23	diep	empirical research
2022-11-20 15:16:26	diep	xD
2022-11-20 15:19:06	diep	interesting
2022-11-20 15:19:13	diep	seems to be metamask
2022-11-20 15:19:21	diep	the cause of the problem
2022-11-20 15:19:29	Ennea	very unsurprising for some reason :p
2022-11-20 15:19:39	jelle	> An Ethereum Wallet in your Browser
2022-11-20 15:19:44	jelle	with free mining!
2022-11-20 15:19:52	Ennea	some crypto/web3/nft addon is suddenly causing cpu spikes? hmmm, what could that _possibly_ be? 😁
2022-11-20 15:20:46	diep	anyway okay thx guys for the help ;)
2022-11-20 15:21:02	diep	firefox now is back to normal :)
2022-11-20 15:21:09	jelle	np
2022-11-20 15:35:40	Harm133	Hey guys, is there a known issue with firefox hangs ATM? I'm trying to determine the cause but I don't have a lot of debug output
2022-11-20 15:41:48	cyphertite_	Harm133:  the basics, first:  Is your system, currently, fully updated, and have you rebooted?
2022-11-20 15:44:00	cyphertite_	FF has been updated quite frequently of late, but no performance issues here
2022-11-20 15:45:28	Harm133	Yes, fully up to date and the issue has persisted for like a week so far
2022-11-20 15:45:36	jelle	Harm133: tried a new fresh profile?
2022-11-20 15:45:39	Harm133	(reboot every day)
2022-11-20 15:45:44	Harm133	I deleted my places.sqlite
2022-11-20 15:45:55	Harm133	which is what firefox suggested
2022-11-20 15:46:10	jelle	right, firefox -P, create a new profile, see if it still occurs
2022-11-20 15:46:18	Harm133	Alright, I'll check
2022-11-20 15:46:23	Harm133	I can't really reproduce either.
2022-11-20 15:46:33	Harm133	sometimes it happens after 10 mins sometimes after hours
2022-11-20 15:46:45	jelle	Harm133: aha, and it's only firefox?
2022-11-20 15:46:49	Harm133	Yes
2022-11-20 15:47:15	jelle	so that doesn't sound like a graphics issue
2022-11-20 15:47:25	Harm133	I'd presume not
2022-11-20 15:47:40	Harm133	the thing that I think has something to do with it is selecting text
2022-11-20 15:47:48	Harm133	that seems to be around the time it hangs every time
2022-11-20 16:29:19	andreas303	Hi! I'm planning to dual boot two Arch Linux installation using the same /boot partition for both and therefore need to have different names for the two kernels (vmlinuz-0, vmlinuz-1) and the two initramfss (initramfs-0.img, initramfs-1.img) to prevent them from being overwritten during kernel and initramfs updates. I see that it is possible to change to initramfs filename by setting
2022-11-20 16:29:22	andreas303	default_image="/boot/initramfs-0.img" in /etc/mkinitcpio.d/linux.preset, but how can I change the default kernel name?
2022-11-20 16:29:44	andreas303	Which package/script is responsible for copying the kernel to /boot?
2022-11-20 16:30:38	Scimmia	andreas303: much simpler solution is to mount the partition elsewhere, like /efi, then bind mount a dir on that do /boot
2022-11-20 16:30:54	Scimmia	but it's in the mkinitcpio package that has the hook
2022-11-20 16:30:58	MrElendig	andreas303: you can use directories to avoid collision
2022-11-20 16:32:31	andreas303	Some backgruond info: I use GRUB (since I, oddly, have a 32-bit UEFI on a 64-bit computer and I'm not sure how to setup the installation with UEFI executables instead of GRUB)....
2022-11-20 16:33:19	Scimmia	so then why separate /boot from the root partition at all?
2022-11-20 16:36:23	andreas303	Scimmia & MrElendig: Ah, OK. I keep the /boot partition unencrypted but the root partition encrypted to be unlocked from the initramfs, that's why I keep them separate. But OK, I should create two directories, boot0 and boot1, inside the /boot partition, and in root0, bind mount /boot to /boot/boot0, and vice versa for the root1 installation?
2022-11-20 16:37:10	Scimmia	bind mount <mountpoint>/boot0 to /boot. You can't use /boot for the mount point
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2022-11-20 17:05:37	andreas303	Scimmia & MrElendig: OK, I mount the shared /boot-partition on /boot-real, and bind mount /boot to /boot-real/boot0, then I move vmlinuz-linux, initramfs-linux.img and initramfs-linux-fallback to /boot-real/boot0/. Should I let /boot-real/grub and /boot-real/intel-ucode.img stay in /boot-real/, or should I keep two versions of those in /boot-real/boot0/ and /boot-real/boot1/, respectively? I'm
2022-11-20 17:05:39	andreas303	thinking how grub-mkconfig will handle the situation...
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2022-11-20 17:06:51	andreas303	If I run grub-mkconfig with the bind mount, wouldn't it put the grub/ directory in /boot-real/boot0 instead of in /boot-real?
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2022-11-20 17:08:50	andreas303	Or, I guess I should run "grub-mkconfig -o /boot-real/grub/grub.cfg", right?
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2022-11-20 17:12:26	Scimmia	I would say you only want 1 grub installed, and grub-mkconfig should find it just fine, iirc. I don't use grub myself
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2022-11-20 17:13:13	Scimmia	even if I did, I would just write the config, no real reason to generate it
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2022-11-20 17:13:40	andreas303	Scimmia: Sounds reasonable. Thx!
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2022-11-20 17:15:02	teraflops	phrik: give andreas303 grub.cfg
2022-11-20 17:15:03	phrik	andreas303: Write your own: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/User:Eschwartz/Grub#Write_the_configuration_from_scratch
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2022-11-20 17:19:11	Harm133	Alright firefox just hung again, trying with a fresh profile now
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2022-11-20 17:33:12	Harm133	Alright so a new firefox profile does not prevent the hangs
2022-11-20 17:33:29	Harm133	what steps should I take ?
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2022-11-20 17:43:51	Harm133	I've been checking the firefox flags but I dont see any
2022-11-20 17:46:20	Harm133	hmm I have SOME logging tho
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2022-11-20 17:46:36	Harm133	https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/920292ce73dd45baa13ea8431350a266
2022-11-20 17:46:39	phrik	Title: pastefile1 · paste.gg (at paste.gg)
2022-11-20 17:46:43	Harm133	might have to do with me killing it tho
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2022-11-20 17:48:13	Harm133	I mean I can try running it in gdb
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2022-11-20 18:09:06	nullie	I get this dialog then I have to open file in Chrome https://i.imgur.com/OajFZvT.png, is it possible to replace it with something more convenient? In particular, I would like to be able to switch to bigger file thumbnail
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2022-11-20 18:10:27	nullie	In firefox there seems to be a better one used
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2022-11-20 18:26:21	guesswhat	guys, how to shrink lvm volume ? resize2fs->lvreduce->vgreduce->pvresize ? or vgreduce is not necessary? 
2022-11-20 18:26:50	MrElendig	define "lvm volume"
2022-11-20 18:26:54	MrElendig	also, what fs is this?
2022-11-20 18:27:05	guesswhat	ext4 
2022-11-20 18:27:20	MrElendig	in addition to that, depends on what kind of allocation strategy you are using and so on
2022-11-20 18:28:34	guesswhat	whole /dev/sdb is basically one big volume group and single logical volume ( docker data store ), i need to free some space and reclaim in elsewhere
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2022-11-20 18:29:51	MrElendig	for which you can't have it be inside the lvm?
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2022-11-22 10:55:53	jelle	bluetail: maybe keep the discussion relevant instead of anecdotal 
2022-11-22 10:56:04	jelle	raster: it's not that high with luks
2022-11-22 10:56:07	bluetail	you are right jelle. 
2022-11-22 10:56:30	bluetail	every PC has personal identifiable info tho
2022-11-22 10:56:38	jelle	encryption always makes sense, nothing to do with feds
2022-11-22 10:56:51	jelle	if the feds really want your data you just hand over the encryption key
2022-11-22 10:56:51	bluetail	flip a bit and your access is lost
2022-11-22 10:56:53	jelle	!next
2022-11-22 10:56:54	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-11-22 10:57:10	bluetail	jelle no, at this point you can say not without my lawyer
2022-11-22 10:57:12	bluetail	and thats different
2022-11-22 10:57:27	astralc	if the feds can come to your home and take your drive, you have far worse problems
2022-11-22 10:57:28	bluetail	you are obliged to provide if they have the proper order, tho
2022-11-22 10:57:33	jelle	astralc: :P
2022-11-22 10:57:43	jelle	bluetail: right, so this is all nonsense
2022-11-22 10:57:43	grawity	why is everyone automatically talking about feds etc
2022-11-22 10:57:58	grawity	have you never just, lost a USB stick
2022-11-22 10:58:01	raster	jelle: but what is it? like e.g. sit and spool data from storage (e.g. nvme) for 1 hour. does this use 1% more  power. 10%? 30%?
2022-11-22 10:58:26	raster	chances are a modern copu is fast enough to decrypt at good rates ... but what is it costing?
2022-11-22 10:58:26	bluetail	astralc you are right. Need more pylons for defending the super secret sauce
2022-11-22 10:58:56	jelle	raster: I doubt it is much, it should all be cpu accelerated
2022-11-22 10:59:17	raster	well there are instructions to help with it -but it still consumes power
2022-11-22 10:59:25	raster	i'd just like to know what the cost is :)
2022-11-22 10:59:38	grawity	would guess 1-5% if the system is doing nothing but disk i/o
2022-11-22 11:00:05	grawity	(most systems don't sit doing disk i/o 24/7 as that in itself costs power)
2022-11-22 11:00:39	raster	https://www.phoronix.com/review/2019-linux-encrypt/2
2022-11-22 11:00:40	phrik	Title: The 2019 Laptop Performance Cost To Linux Full-Disk Encryption - Phoronix (at www.phoronix.com)
2022-11-22 11:00:47	grawity	raster: someone measured this https://www.sce.carleton.ca/faculty/huang/iccae-2020.pdf
2022-11-22 11:00:53	raster	hmm at least that seems to say it's quite a considerable cost to perf...
2022-11-22 11:01:17	grawity	"AES-NI on ARM v8 processor uses around 2.7 Joule per Gigabyte (J/GB)"
2022-11-22 11:01:32	raster	so like 30% to 60% or so slower...
2022-11-22 11:02:47	pbnoxious	grawity: so it would be better to list everything explicitly? Even stuff like zlib that is implictly installed by e.g. sudo?
2022-11-22 11:03:01	grawity	imo yes
2022-11-22 11:03:12	grawity	specific example: openssl dropped its perl dependency
2022-11-22 11:03:19	grawity	stuff that assumed openssl would pull in perl broke
2022-11-22 11:03:23	raster	hmm and that paer seems to imply 2x the power usage on armv8, about 42% more on intel i5.
2022-11-22 11:03:56	raster	interesting. so certainly absolutely not free and not even a low cost. :) good to know.
2022-11-22 11:03:57	grawity	IMO decide on a case-by-case basis which indirect deps are 100% going to be there and which ones just happen to be there
2022-11-22 11:05:25	grawity	e.g. gnupg will probably always pull in libgcrypt
2022-11-22 11:05:28	grawity	but systemd may pull in libgcrypt, or it may not
2022-11-22 11:05:54	grawity	pacman currently depends on gnupg, but one day it may not
2022-11-22 11:06:22	pbnoxious	zlib is probably also dependent on the current choice of compression algorithm for the "base" tools
2022-11-22 11:06:25	grawity	so if the program directly links to libgcrypt.so, it's better to directly list it as well
2022-11-22 11:06:34	grawity	same for other libraries and tools
2022-11-22 11:06:50	pbnoxious	so unlikely that this will change but it might not be essential in some far future
2022-11-22 11:07:36	pbnoxious	I'll be back soon with another dependency question, need to figure it out myself first (conflicting "provides / depends")
2022-11-22 11:09:14	grawity	...and in particular, even if sudo depends on zlib, don't assume that every arch system will have sudo
2022-11-22 13:14:19	greyltc	When I install a package with pacman, I see "Total Installed Size" and "Net Upgrade Size"
2022-11-22 13:14:41	greyltc	just before I'm given the prompt to continue with the upgrade
2022-11-22 13:15:09	greyltc	When pacman does its disk space availability checks, which of those numbers does it use?
2022-11-22 13:25:39	novns	greyltc, you can look at the pacman's sources
2022-11-22 13:25:54	novns	if this is not documented in the manual
2022-11-22 13:31:09	greyltc	of course, I was just trying to shortcut reading the code myself though!
2022-11-22 13:32:10	tatsumaru	hey guys, I suspect there's something wrong with my SSD, read/write operations seem incredibly slow. how can I check ssd speed and health?
2022-11-22 13:32:54	greyltc	tatsumaru: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/S.M.A.R.T.
2022-11-22 13:32:55	phrik	Title: S.M.A.R.T. - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-22 13:36:34	novns	greyltc, https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman/-/blob/master/lib/libalpm/diskspace.c#L340
2022-11-22 13:36:36	phrik	Title: lib/libalpm/diskspace.c · master · Pacman / Pacman · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2022-11-22 13:36:47	novns	it's somewhere around
2022-11-22 14:01:06	mingdao	On another Arch system I put `IgnorePkg   = gnome-calculator` in /etc/pacman.conf and used `pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/gnome-calculator-40.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst` to keep it at gnome-calculator-40.0-1.  How do I get that source to do that on another Arch system?
2022-11-22 14:01:47	jelle	mingdao: scp it, or download it from the archive
2022-11-22 14:01:56	jelle	but it will break in the future
2022-11-22 14:02:11	mingdao	jelle: I have /mnt/var/cache/pacman/pkg/gnome-calculator-40.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst on that other drive.   Do I cp it to the same location on the new drive?
2022-11-22 14:02:31	susi	mingdao: there's also ALA as jelle said; https://archive.archlinux.org/packages/g/gnome-calculator/
2022-11-22 14:02:31	phrik	Title: Index of /packages/g/gnome-calculator/ (at archive.archlinux.org)
2022-11-22 14:02:39	mingdao	jelle: What do you mean by it will break in the future?  If I never install it again?
2022-11-22 14:02:43	jelle	mingdao: I mean, yes?
2022-11-22 14:03:05	mingdao	susi: tks
2022-11-22 14:03:29	jelle	mingdao: it will break as all packages are which are held
2022-11-22 14:03:58	mingdao	jelle: Sorry for being dense, but I don't understand how it will break if I never update it?
2022-11-22 14:04:35	jelle	mingdao: because it's dependencies change when you update
2022-11-22 14:05:35	mingdao	jelle: It's dep now is gtksourceview4-4.8.4-1, which wasn't installed.  If I never install/update either of those?
2022-11-22 14:06:20	susi	Depends On      : libadwaita  dconf  gtksourceview5  mpfr  libsoup3  libmpc  libgee
2022-11-22 14:06:30	susi	those, and their deps will change 
2022-11-22 14:06:36	jelle	incorrect
2022-11-22 14:06:50	jelle	that's the current gnome-calculator
2022-11-22 14:07:06	jelle	mingdao: is this just because it's ported to GTK4?
2022-11-22 14:07:43	mingdao	susi: Ah, gotcha.  Using Budgie rather than Gnome on this new hard drive (same PC).  And xcalc is lacking features; primarily pasting numbers into it.
2022-11-22 14:07:54	mingdao	I need to keep looking for another calculator.
2022-11-22 14:08:07	jelle	mingdao: why?
2022-11-22 14:08:13	susi	mingdao: see what jelle said, I was incorrect.. but the principle is the same
2022-11-22 14:08:15	mingdao	jelle: Why what?
2022-11-22 14:08:24	jelle	mingdao: why keep gnome-calculator on verison 40
2022-11-22 14:08:26	jelle	*version
2022-11-22 14:08:45	mingdao	jelle: Because something changed that I didn't like.  It's been a while, so I don't remember.
2022-11-22 14:11:31	damjan	mingdao: https://flathub.org/apps/search/calculator
2022-11-22 14:11:33	phrik	Title: Flathub—An app store and build service for Linux (at flathub.org)
2022-11-22 14:13:24	astralc	you can use "bc", good calculator
2022-11-22 14:14:40	susi	and for simpler tasks, dc that's included with it!
2022-11-22 14:15:22	Khorne	Just go to Google and calculator there
2022-11-22 14:15:39	susi	rpn is actually nice when you get used to it
2022-11-22 14:15:56	susi	reverse polish notation
2022-11-22 14:19:19	Schrostfutz	Hi, I just borked my system I believe and am trying to recover. After installation of a package (can't recall) I got an error about loading libssl.so.3, so I updated openssl. Now, virtually everything (including pacman) fails, since apparently they expect lib{ssl,crypto}.so.1.1 to exist (even though that's quite old? I updated the whole system a week back or so...). I'm trying to create a live
2022-11-22 14:19:19	Schrostfutz	medium and reinstall all packages to fix 
2022-11-22 14:19:19	Schrostfutz	this. Is that a correct way to fix this? How can I use the live-sticks pacman to install to the on-disk system?
2022-11-22 14:20:01	jelle	Schrostfutz: you got into this by doing a partial upgrade, the next time update your whole install
2022-11-22 14:20:22	jelle	you can try pacman-static to fix this
2022-11-22 14:20:47	grawity	pacstrap /mnt pacman openssl
2022-11-22 14:21:35	joel135	hello, my headphones (bose qc35 ii) stopped working in mSBC mode in kde with pavucontrol. i think pipewire is supposed to be providing this support. at least a pipewire process is running in the background.
2022-11-22 14:22:38	Namarrgon	when did it stop working?
2022-11-22 14:22:39	joel135	i tried downgrading the pipewire and kpipewire packages with "pacman -U" using slightly older packages that were still in cache (this problem must have come in the last couple of days, probably from an upgrade)
2022-11-22 14:22:41	joel135	^
2022-11-22 14:41:37	Schrostfutz	That is curious, I updated both openssl and pacman of the on-disk system, yet openssl still provides lib{ssl,crypto}.so.3, and pacman links against lib{ssl,crypto}.so.1.1
2022-11-22 14:41:52	pbnoxious	I have a package ( https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/scipoptsuite ) that currently lists `bliss` as a dependency, but actually it _provides_ it. I.e. when you install it and have bliss already installed it will complain due to conflicting files (i.e. files owned by bliss). Is this the typical case for a confict? I.e. should I also add `bliss` as "conflicts"?
2022-11-22 14:42:25	pbnoxious	Or would the better way be to modify the pkgbuild to not actually install the bliss files? (Which might break the scipoptsuite)?
2022-11-22 14:42:50	grawity	Schrostfutz: run lddtree on it
2022-11-22 14:42:50	Namarrgon	Schrostfutz: lddtree /usr/bin/pacman
2022-11-22 14:43:04	Khorne	pbnoxious, seems like the depends is wrong and it should conflict/provide
2022-11-22 14:43:14	Namarrgon	joel135: anything funny in the bt service's journal?
2022-11-22 14:43:16	Khorne	Assuming it is a 1:1 replacement for bliss
2022-11-22 14:43:50	pbnoxious	Khorne: okay, so add it to both "provides" and "conflicts"
2022-11-22 14:44:22	pbnoxious	I assume that it's the full bliss, the Download section for the precompiled version lists it: https://scipopt.org/index.php#download
2022-11-22 14:44:23	phrik	Title: SCIP (at scipopt.org)
2022-11-22 14:44:40	joel135	Namarrgon: i have run "$ journalctl -b". is that enough? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/nI35F3Hk/journal.txt
2022-11-22 14:44:42	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-11-22 14:45:15	pbnoxious	(although the precompiled one is not exactly the same, if you compile from source you do not get IPOPT, CPPAD, zlib or GMP
2022-11-22 14:45:38	Khorne	ugh
2022-11-22 14:45:46	Namarrgon	joel135: journalctl -b -u bluetooth.service
2022-11-22 14:46:01	joel135	Namarrgon: as root or regular user?
2022-11-22 14:46:03	Namarrgon	run it as root if your user isn't in one of the admin groups that have access
2022-11-22 14:46:08	joel135	ok
2022-11-22 14:46:49	Khorne	pbnoxious, why use the precompiled download over the source? It's not a -bin package
2022-11-22 14:47:16	pbnoxious	Khorne: I do not use the precompiled download
2022-11-22 14:47:26	Khorne	Does it build bliss then? 
2022-11-22 14:47:37	pbnoxious	yes, although the README doesn't list it ;-)
2022-11-22 14:48:24	Khorne	Mhm, not sure what the logically best way to handle it then
2022-11-22 14:48:43	Khorne	Use arch's bliss or conflict 
2022-11-22 14:48:46	pbnoxious	the finished package contains /usr/bin/bliss and some other files, e.g. under /usr/include/bliss/
2022-11-22 14:49:08	joel135	Namarrgon: this is the full output https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/uGdE6Z58/journal2.txt
2022-11-22 14:49:09	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-11-22 14:49:32	pbnoxious	I probably will just go with conflict for the moment, will likely not use bliss for something else currently.
2022-11-22 14:50:03	pbnoxious	But if you'd want to use it, you'd probably have to do a better solution
2022-11-22 14:50:05	Khorne	I'm more thinking of everybody else that might be using repo bliss, but it's lean in terms of what depends on it I guess
2022-11-22 14:50:36	pbnoxious	but the solution then would be to just remove all bliss related files from the finished package, right?
2022-11-22 14:50:48	pbnoxious	and hope that this doesn't break the scipoptsuite
2022-11-22 14:51:37	joel135	grawity: in case you still want to have a look ^
2022-11-22 14:52:08	pbnoxious	(other sidenote: the check() in the PKGBUILD actually doesn't work and throws some assertion errors in one of the tools. But I'll simply ignore that for now…)
2022-11-22 14:54:05	joel135	in particular there are no messages added when switching SBC <-> mSBC
2022-11-22 14:54:15	Schrostfutz	Yes! I got my on-disk-pacman to run an update. Let's see whether There's any more trouble down the road....
2022-11-22 14:54:18	Schrostfutz	Thanks alot already!
2022-11-22 14:55:04	Namarrgon	joel135: have you tried downgrading bluez to 5.65?
2022-11-22 14:55:22	joel135	no, let me see
2022-11-22 14:55:34	Namarrgon	or was that already working and broke only after the kde/pw update?
2022-11-22 14:56:37	joel135	i don't know what you are asking exactly. bluetooth appears to be working fine since SBC works.
2022-11-22 14:57:13	joel135	the update i did was a updating all packages on my system
2022-11-22 14:57:25	Namarrgon	bluez too?
2022-11-22 14:58:22	joel135	i don't know if bluez was among them. apparently i only have bluez-5.66-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst in my package cache, and that's the version that is currently installed.
2022-11-22 14:59:21	joel135	(i clean my package cache from time to time because of storage limitations)
2022-11-22 15:00:34	joel135	will try to downgrade bluez using https://archive.archlinux.org/packages
2022-11-22 15:00:35	phrik	Title: Index of /packages/ (at archive.archlinux.org)
2022-11-22 15:01:49	silentnoodle	the manpage for lo.so says that the token `$LIB` will expand to lib or lib64, Is it accurate for arch where it would make sense to expand to lib32 based on /usr/lib*?
2022-11-22 15:02:41	susi	joel135: sidenote; there are ways to automate cache cleaning, for example paccache (from pacman-contrib) let's you choose how many versions of each pkg you want to keep
2022-11-22 15:03:06	joel135	i see :)
2022-11-22 15:03:10	mingdao	astralc: I do use bc, but it's limited.
2022-11-22 15:05:30	joel135	when downgrading with "sudo pacman -U https://archive.archlinux.org/packages/b/bluez/bluez-5.65-3-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst" it tells me "warning: directory permissions differ on /etc/bluetooth/". maybe that's relevant. also downgraded bluez-libs and bluez-utils to 5.65-3 with the same method. rebooting now.
2022-11-22 15:07:34	joel135	nothing changed.
2022-11-22 15:11:42	joel135	Namarrgon: regarding journal2.txt, maybe it is a problem that it says "Endpoint registered" for SBC but it does not mention mSBC
2022-11-22 15:28:04	Namarrgon	joel135: i don't know if that matters. was the kernel also updated?
2022-11-22 15:30:06	joel135	probably. i think it updates often. i have linux{,headers-}-6.0.7-{6,7,9} in my cache, as well as linux-firmware{,-whence}-20221109
2022-11-22 15:39:20	joel135	oh no it broke my boot
2022-11-22 15:39:45	joel135	i'll have to upgrade to 6.0.9 again
2022-11-22 15:41:14	joel135	ok i can at least boot again now
2022-11-22 15:44:02	joel135	hmm there is sort of an anomaly here: i can see the pipewire process, but systemctl doesn't know about any pipewire.service
2022-11-22 15:44:21	Namarrgon	it's a --user unit
2022-11-22 15:44:25	Namarrgon	what did you downgrade?
2022-11-22 15:45:18	joel135	i downgraded linux and linux-headers to .7
2022-11-22 15:45:50	joel135	err i should have said linux{,headers-}-6.0.{6,7,9} up there
2022-11-22 15:46:14	joel135	linux{,-headers}-6.0.7-{6,7,9}
2022-11-22 15:46:25	joel135	i make so many errors
2022-11-22 15:46:52	joel135	linux{,-headers}-6.0.{6,7,9}
2022-11-22 15:47:14	Namarrgon	do you use any out-of-tree modules like nvidia?
2022-11-22 15:47:28	joel135	yes i use nvidia (gtx 1080)
2022-11-22 15:47:32	Namarrgon	did you downgrade that too?
2022-11-22 15:47:47	joel135	no, maybe i should try that
2022-11-22 15:48:40	joel135	i have nvidia-520.56.06-{8,9,11} in cache
2022-11-22 15:49:08	joel135	but right now i am considering configuring pipewire properly by following https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire
2022-11-22 15:49:09	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-22 15:49:33	joel135	apparently kde had configured pipewire for me automatically or something
2022-11-22 15:49:59	joel135	so now i killall'ed the pipewire process and trying to get systemctl to recognize it
2022-11-22 15:50:15	Namarrgon	there isn't much to configure, it works out of the box
2022-11-22 15:50:38	Namarrgon	like i said, it's a user unit, "systemctl status --user pipewire.service"
2022-11-22 15:50:54	joel135	umm actually i didn't even have pipewire installed o.o
2022-11-22 15:51:12	lolok	this seems to be the 2nd or 3rd wave of people who got pipewired by pulling it in as a dependency, and it borks peoples systems every time, can we get a warning about this in the news section next time?
2022-11-22 15:52:18	joel135	oh wait i did have pipewire and it must have updated it
2022-11-22 15:52:18	Namarrgon	lolok: in this case you don't even know what the problem is, what would the announcement warn about?
2022-11-22 15:52:56	lolok	danger: this may install pipewire
2022-11-22 15:52:59	joel135	ok i'm stupid. of course it updated it when i tried to install it, since i downgraded it before.
2022-11-22 15:53:58	joel135	Namarrgon: ah you're right, i can see it with --user
2022-11-22 15:57:38	Scimmia	lolok: pulling in the video portion of pipewire won't break things
2022-11-22 16:00:36	Ennea	my dear beloved pipewire <3
2022-11-22 16:00:39	lolok	im once bitten twice shy on pipewire
2022-11-22 16:06:00	joel135	hmm so i updated my system again and installed pipwewire-pulse (which made it replace pulseaudio etc)
2022-11-22 16:06:22	joel135	and now i get this in the settings https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/tIygFFCr/Screenshot_20221122_160526.png
2022-11-22 16:07:04	lolok	!paste
2022-11-22 16:07:05	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-11-22 16:07:38	joel135	the behavior is about the same, except the video doesn't freeze anymore
2022-11-22 16:07:54	joel135	i am using a sane paste service lolok 
2022-11-22 16:08:31	joel135	also i was posting a picture right now, not text
2022-11-22 16:09:10	Ennea	lolok, i knew i'd be facing issues with pulse from past experience, and i had heard of pipewire and made a mental note to try it in case pulse fails me. well, pulse failed me earlier than expected when i was moving from windows to linux, and i just said "screw it" and installed pipewire instead. ever since then, zero issues
2022-11-22 16:09:17	Ennea	so i'm just insanely happy pipewire exists
2022-11-22 16:09:23	Ennea	zero fuss, just works perfectly
2022-11-22 16:09:38	joel135	anyways i think this is progress. now i can see the output sound meter moving while the video is playing!
2022-11-22 16:18:42	lolok	joel135 more people will be willing to read it if you paste the text itself instead of a screenshot
2022-11-22 16:19:03	joel135	lolok: nope
2022-11-22 16:20:47	joel135	it is unreasonable to expect me to restate a gui in words without loss of information and readability
2022-11-22 16:21:35	lolok	settings are in a gui?
2022-11-22 16:21:39	lolok	not a cfg?
2022-11-22 16:21:53	joel135	yes. if you looked at the picture you'd know.
2022-11-22 16:22:12	joel135	it is the settings gui that we talked about before. pavucontrol.
2022-11-22 16:22:44	lolok	i didnt because i dint click links to websites i dont know, most people dont, thats why i suggested you use what we are familiar with here, but you dont have to, and i dont have to click your link either
2022-11-22 16:23:19	joel135	if you don't trust irccloud links then that's on you
2022-11-22 16:23:31	jelle	lolok: irccloud is a well known host, this is a bit too much pendaticism
2022-11-22 16:24:25	jkc	jelle: I think you mean pedantry. ;)
2022-11-22 16:25:26	jelle	whatever describes unfriendlyness
2022-11-22 16:25:38	jkc	Was trying to make a joke.
2022-11-22 16:25:44	jelle	:)
2022-11-22 16:25:50	lolok	its not known to me 🤷 but everything in pavucontrol and be printed in text format with pactl or pacmd and if you did that it may be more obvious whats wrong anyway and be easier [for me anyway] to help you
2022-11-22 16:26:06	lolok	s/and/can/1
2022-11-22 16:26:39	jelle	lolok: then ask that instead of complaining about a gui
2022-11-22 16:27:30	lolok	i didnt, i didnt even know he was using a gui, i complained he pasted a screenshot from a gost i didnt know isntead of text from one i did, and to call it complaining is a bit disengenuous anyway, i just made a suggestion
2022-11-22 16:27:53	lolok	s/gost/host
2022-11-22 16:27:57	joel135	here's the pactl output in the two different modes mSBC and SBC https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/x7voaeju/pactl-info.txt
2022-11-22 16:27:58	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-11-22 16:28:30	jelle	lolok: please read back what you said :)
2022-11-22 16:29:38	lolok	i was surprised thats all
2022-11-22 16:42:52	joel135	some more pactl output https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iPuvEvuF/pactl-list-sinks-mSBC.txt https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/y0Tw6iDT/pactl-list-sinks-SBC.txt
2022-11-22 16:53:48	DerpGusta	Hi. What's the smallest (lowest storage) font that will hide the boxes in Firefox :/
2022-11-22 16:54:43	opt1mus	'boxes'?
2022-11-22 16:55:59	joel135	hmm i installed bcm20702a1-firmware bcm20702b0-firmware and it seems to be working now
2022-11-22 16:56:10	joel135	audio quality is crap but maybe it always was :D
2022-11-22 16:56:22	DerpGusta	The font doesn't have the glyph. Apologies for the shitty method of asking opt1mus
2022-11-22 16:57:59	joel135	(as per https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/bluetooth_headset#HSP_problem:_the_bluetooth_sink_and_source_are_created,_but_no_audio_is_being_transmitted)
2022-11-22 16:58:00	phrik	Title: Bluetooth headset - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-22 17:49:06	susi	DerpGusta: I think twemoji (the default) is rather 'small'
2022-11-22 17:52:56	susi	I don't know how fonts actually work, but twemojimozilla.ttf (/usr/lib/firefox/fonts/) takes 1.4M
2022-11-22 17:57:22	DerpGusta	Small enough. I'll take it! 
2022-11-22 18:10:23	HumanLove	Edu4rdSHL:  i already followed the archlinux "bluetooth"
2022-11-22 18:10:42	HumanLove	but its not scaning for any device
2022-11-22 18:11:21	Edu4rdSHL	Are you loading the module? Is your device rfkill-ed? Is your device showing up in bluetoothctl ?
2022-11-22 18:11:26	HumanLove	yes
2022-11-22 18:11:34	susi	DerpGusta: there's font.name-list.emoji pref with the default value "Twemoji Mozilla", so there should not be too many boxes anyway
2022-11-22 18:12:50	Edu4rdSHL	Yes what
2022-11-22 18:12:58	Edu4rdSHL	If everything is yes, then it's working
2022-11-22 18:13:48	susi	but that yes included device being rfkilled
2022-11-22 18:14:04	eson123	is there anyhow i can specify the version of the package i wanna install through Arch ? like i currently want to install neovim but not the latest, but version 0.6 instead, so apparently "sudo pacman -S neovim:0.6.0" isn't working
2022-11-22 18:14:57	Scimmia	eson123: no, partial updates are not supported
2022-11-22 18:15:46	eson123	oh so i have to compile from source then ?
2022-11-22 18:16:08	Scimmia	pretty much, yes. You can grab an old package from the archives, but chances are very high that it won't run
2022-11-22 18:16:52	eson123	welp, that's sad then
2022-11-22 18:21:12	Edu4rdSHL	I wonder what the real problem is
2022-11-22 18:21:29	Edu4rdSHL	susi, lol, yes, you're right 
2022-11-22 18:32:43	NetSysFire	i am trying to convert a file from hevc to av1, so it plays in browsers, with ffmpeg -i file.mp4 -c:v libaom-av1 -crf 30 file-av1.mp4 and on both my weak-ish laptop and desktop with better performance i get 0.1 kbit/s. both cpu, ram and disk are not utilized completely
2022-11-22 18:32:53	NetSysFire	frame=   44 fps=0.4 q=0.0 size=       0kB time=00:00:02.28 bitrate=   0.2kbits/s speed=0.0187x
2022-11-22 18:38:40	greyltc	NetSysFire: handbrake is supposed to be able to encode to av1 https://github.com/HandBrake/HandBrake/pull/4362
2022-11-22 18:38:48	greyltc	but I don't see it as an option
2022-11-22 18:45:30	greyltc	same thing happens to me though: frame=   43 fps=0.5 q=0.0 size=       1kB time=00:00:00.26 bitrate=  34.8kbits/s dup=0 drop=2 speed=0.00327x
2022-11-22 18:45:35	gehidore	isn't handbrake just a frontend?
2022-11-22 19:04:14	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-11-22 19:05:01	ℹ 	Tema establecido por alad (alad@archlinux/op/alad) el jue, 28 jul 2022 19:12:50
2022-11-22 19:05:02	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1457 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1456 normals)
2022-11-22 19:05:03	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-22 19:05:07	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-11-22 19:05:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-22 19:05:18	demonicmaniac1	gehidore: NetSysFire: what about stv?
2022-11-22 19:05:40	◣	cdown (~cdown@user/cdown) ha salido (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2022-11-22 19:05:41	NetSysFire	!wtf stv
2022-11-22 19:05:42	phrik	NetSysFire: What the hell is stv?
2022-11-22 19:05:44	demonicmaniac1	err
2022-11-22 19:05:54	demonicmaniac1	svt-av1 i mean
2022-11-22 19:06:20	demonicmaniac1	aom is pretty much legacy since quite some time and svt the "reference"
2022-11-22 19:06:22	ℹ 	vitali64 es conocido ahora como f_
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2022-11-22 19:08:07	demonicmaniac1	libsvtav1 instead of libaom-av1
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2022-11-22 19:08:39	NetSysFire	that is MUCH better
2022-11-22 19:08:53	NetSysFire	thanks. upstream documentation recommended aom
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2022-11-22 19:09:32	NetSysFire	(for reference, this one: <https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Encode/AV1>)
2022-11-22 19:09:33	phrik	Title: Encode/AV1 – FFmpeg (at trac.ffmpeg.org)
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2022-11-22 19:09:49	demonicmaniac1	svt makes bigger files but it's like 10x faster and uses 100% of threads
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2022-11-22 19:10:23	demonicmaniac1	though honestly any av1 cpu encode is pain
2022-11-22 19:10:53	NetSysFire	i am a bit concerned about the size of the file
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2022-11-22 19:12:00	demonicmaniac1	then set a bandwidth limit und use slow preset e.g.
2022-11-22 19:12:18	susi	you may try increasing -crf value too
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2022-11-22 19:12:55	demonicmaniac1	though crf makes it harder to estimate than bandwidth limit or average bandwidth
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2022-11-22 19:13:19	demonicmaniac1	avg bandwidth lets you estimate final sizeahead of time
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2022-11-22 19:13:38	NetSysFire	ah presets
2022-11-22 19:14:39	NetSysFire	yeah that will solve the problem just fine
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2022-11-22 19:40:01	jb1277976	how do you remove a dotfile of a dwm session? wasn't learning anyting used dt dotfiles and now i've removed dwm and started all over but for some reason the status bar is still the other persons dotfiles
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2022-11-22 19:44:18	susi	jb1277976: https://dwm.suckless.org/customisation/
2022-11-22 19:44:20	phrik	Title: dwm - dynamic window manager | suckless.org software that sucks less (at dwm.suckless.org)
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2022-11-22 19:46:47	susi	many 'bars' have their config under $HOME/.config
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2022-11-22 19:47:24	susi	(or under $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/)
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2022-11-22 19:47:53	jb1277976	susi: its old configs im trying to get rid of
2022-11-22 19:47:58	jb1277976	i swore i remove all of dwm
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2022-11-22 19:48:41	XeroOl	I thought dwm configs are compiled into the binary
2022-11-22 19:48:51	jb1277976	I think don't know
2022-11-22 19:48:52	XeroOl	what does `which dwm` say for you
2022-11-22 19:49:39	another|	NetSysFire: libaom's default preset is 1
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2022-11-22 19:49:53	NetSysFire	does this mean its super duper extra slow?
2022-11-22 19:49:59	jb1277976	XeroOl: let me fire up a terminal give me a sec
2022-11-22 19:50:13	another|	yes
2022-11-22 19:50:24	NetSysFire	ah
2022-11-22 19:50:29	NetSysFire	that explains it
2022-11-22 19:50:31	jb1277976	XeroOl: gimme a sec i gotta go feed the kids. sorry thought this was gonna be fast
2022-11-22 19:50:34	another|	NetSysFire: https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Encode/AV1#ControllingSpeedQuality
2022-11-22 19:50:35	phrik	Title: Encode/AV1 – FFmpeg (at trac.ffmpeg.org)
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2022-11-22 19:54:25	another|	despite what demonicmaniac1 claims, aom is not legacy but the reference encoder. unfortunately since it's based on libvpx it inherits it's bad properties like bad threading, defaults, 2pass requirement
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2022-11-22 19:55:10	another|	however svt-av1 is the official production encoder
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2022-11-22 20:30:24	ℹ 	braindamage es conocido ahora como BrainDamage
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2022-11-22 20:40:31	jb1277976	 XeroOl i fixed it. Thanks though
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2022-11-22 20:48:40	XeroOl	glad I could help :p
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2022-11-23 19:10:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-11-23 19:10:05	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1447 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1446 normals)
2022-11-22 22:09:11	fenugrec	did they set options=!strip ?
2022-11-22 22:09:22	dok	I have no ideas
2022-11-22 22:10:24	fenugrec	you could try rebuilding on your side, with different past PKGBUILDS i.e. https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commits/packages/suitesparse/trunk
2022-11-22 22:11:54	fenugrec	looks like they moved to a cmake buildsys. I would inquire with upstream re passing -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=None at the configure stage
2022-11-22 22:11:56	dok	yeah I can try that but I don't know how much time it will take me
2022-11-22 22:12:17	fenugrec	I think you're on your own beyond this, sorry
2022-11-22 22:12:24	dok	:'(
2022-11-22 22:12:42	dok	sadly there are no packages to increase disk space yet
2022-11-22 22:13:04	⚡ 	dok go download more ram
2022-11-22 22:13:24	fenugrec	clean /var/cache/pacman/pkg...
2022-11-22 22:13:49	dok	there is a limit to this :)
2022-11-22 22:29:52	dok	I think my x230 doesn't like compiling suitesparse
2022-11-22 22:33:55	Koragg	after a recent update, Arch no longer boots into the last used kernel but into the default linux one by default. I followed this guide: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=266583 <--- I made the appropriate change in /etc/grub.d/10_linux and re-rean sudo grub-mkconfig /boot/grub/grub.cfg - but that seems to no longer instruct Arch to use the last selected/used kernel
2022-11-22 22:33:56	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] GRUB boots into LTS kernel instead of latest / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-11-22 22:34:30	Koragg	I have 4 kernels installed: linux, linux-lts, linux-hardened and linux-zen . I also have their respective -headers packages installed, for all 4 of them. 
2022-11-22 22:34:54	Koragg	I saw that grub was updated, could it have something to do with that perhaps, that those instructions are outdated?
2022-11-22 22:35:23	Namarrgon	did you run grub-mkconfig or grub-install after the update?
2022-11-22 22:35:40	Namarrgon	did you add a pacman hook that runs either of those for you?
2022-11-22 22:35:41	Koragg	grub-mkconfig only, I have not executed grub-install
2022-11-22 22:35:48	Namarrgon	why did you run it?
2022-11-22 22:36:35	Koragg	because I noticed that it no longer selected the last used kernel. I then changed the file as outlined towards the bottom of that post, and ran grub-mkconfig to apply the changes. it has worked in the past, but I think since the recent update of grub, it no longer does
2022-11-22 22:36:51	Koragg	do I need to run grub-install as well since grub was updated?
2022-11-22 23:33:39	Koragg	I additionally saved a copy of it to my home dir, what would be the most appropriate way to paste the results here?
2022-11-22 23:33:43	Koragg	!paste 
2022-11-22 23:33:44	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-11-22 23:35:19	Koragg	here is my new grub.cfg config file: https://termbin.com/tjhs
2022-11-22 23:37:11	BrainDamage	yeah, it tries to save/load it
2022-11-22 23:39:15	Koragg	excellent, are these changes I had to make a newer change to grub? previously just changing the one line in /etc/grub.d/10_linux was sufficient (and then rerunning grub-mkconfig of course)
2022-11-22 23:45:01	Pound_Hash	I've installed several python packages from the Arch repos with its own
2022-11-22 23:45:01	Pound_Hash	package manager (pacman). When I run `pip list --user --not-required` I
2022-11-22 23:45:01	Pound_Hash	can see several of those python packages. If I were to install a python
2022-11-22 23:45:01	Pound_Hash	package instead with `pip install`, then that package would also appear
2022-11-22 23:45:01	Pound_Hash	in the output of `pip list`. In such a case, how could I identify just
2022-11-22 23:45:01	Pound_Hash	those packages installed with `pip install`?
2022-11-22 23:45:10	Pound_Hash	Oh no, sorry about that
2022-11-22 23:46:18	Edu4rdSHL	I'm 100% sure that packages installed with pacman doesn't appear in `pip list --user --not-required`
2022-11-22 23:47:07	Edu4rdSHL	You have them installed somewhere on your user's home.
2022-11-22 23:48:03	Pound_Hash	Must be from the AUR then, via paru
2022-11-22 23:48:31	Edu4rdSHL	AUR packages are installed system-wide too...
2022-11-22 23:49:35	Edu4rdSHL	Do you have dirs in `.local/lib/python*` ?
2022-11-22 23:50:06	Edu4rdSHL	More exactly, `tree $HOME/.local/lib/python*` will give you some useful info
2022-11-22 23:53:10	Pound_Hash	The executables are in ~/.local/bin
2022-11-22 23:53:37	Pound_Hash	Yes, I have python* in ~/.local/lib
2022-11-22 23:54:03	Pound_Hash	I don't know where this stuff came from. I don't even know python.
2022-11-22 23:54:34	Pound_Hash	Probably some early shenanigans on my part
2022-11-22 23:55:04	Pound_Hash	I'll try uninstalling it. Although I think I tried that before and it broke some apps.
2022-11-23 00:10:37	Ingar	 hey, what happened to stellarium?
2022-11-23 00:13:27	Scimmia	Ingar: what about it?
2022-11-23 00:14:30	Ingar	it used to be a standard packages, just noticed it has disappeared
2022-11-23 00:15:17	Scimmia	standard package? You mean in the official repos? Looks like it's been in the AUR for over 6 months
2022-11-23 00:15:22	grawity	"spring cleanup"
2022-11-23 00:17:00	Ingar	Scimmia: apparently I've been using an outdated version all that time :p
2022-11-23 00:17:04	Ingar	AUR it is then
2022-11-23 00:37:44	Pound_Hash	I have two python folder in ~/.local/lib/: python3.10 & python3.6. When I run `pip uninstall` it only uninstalled stuff from python3.10.
2022-11-23 00:37:59	Pound_Hash	How do I work with the stuff in python3.6?
2022-11-23 00:38:28	Scimmia	do you still have python 3.6 around anywhere?
2022-11-23 00:38:53	Scimmia	that went EOL almost a year ago
2022-11-23 00:41:16	Pound_Hash	I never consciously used it or installed it. It's installed system-wide (as seen from pacman), but it's not showing as installed with `pip list --user`
2022-11-23 00:41:54	Scimmia	"It's installed" version 3.6 is?
2022-11-23 00:42:02	Pound_Hash	Yes
2022-11-23 00:43:18	Scimmia	you'd have to run pip with that binary specifically. I would guess something like `python36 pip` would do it? Or is there a pip36?
2022-11-23 00:43:42	Scimmia	but honestly, get rid of it all. Uninstall the package, delete the dir you're talking about
2022-11-23 00:44:08	Pound_Hash	It was installed with `ufw` (I think)
2022-11-23 00:45:04	Scimmia	pacman -Qi <package>, did you build it or was it from someone else?
2022-11-23 00:45:14	Pound_Hash	Several apps are shown as depending on it: `eg, ufw, pulsemixer, fwupd...`
2022-11-23 00:45:28	Pound_Hash	I didn't build it
2022-11-23 00:45:32	Scimmia	who did?
2022-11-23 00:45:53	Scimmia	and what's the package called?
2022-11-23 00:46:01	jkc	Pound_Hash: ufw depends on current python, most certainly not 3.6.
2022-11-23 00:47:12	Pound_Hash	https://termbin.com/gkur
2022-11-23 00:47:32	Scimmia	Packager        : Unknown Packager
2022-11-23 00:47:35	Scimmia	yeah, you built it
2022-11-23 00:47:44	Scimmia	back in May
2022-11-23 00:48:07	Pound_Hash	Huh, I don't even know how
2022-11-23 00:48:14	Scimmia	from the AUR
2022-11-23 00:48:55	Scimmia	See your pacman log to see what else you installed at that time if you want to know why
2022-11-23 00:48:56	Pound_Hash	So I can uninstall it?
2022-11-23 00:49:01	Scimmia	I would sure think so
2022-11-23 00:53:30	Pound_Hash	Pacman says there are several apps that depend on it, e.g., git, clang, gstreamer, neomutt...
2022-11-23 00:53:49	Pound_Hash	I suppose those can be set to depend on python 4 instead?
2022-11-23 00:54:01	Scimmia	because it falsely claims to provide 'python'
2022-11-23 00:54:10	Scimmia	there is no python 4
2022-11-23 00:54:12	Pound_Hash	So nothing to worry about?
2022-11-23 00:54:12	jkc	You mean python 3.11?
2022-11-23 00:54:21	Pound_Hash	yes
2022-11-23 00:54:27	Scimmia	pacman won't let you remove it if it was actually a problem
2022-11-23 00:54:32	Pound_Hash	okay
2022-11-23 00:56:01	Pound_Hash	First I tried running `python36 pip`, and it said the command `pip` couldn't be found. So I just uninstalled python36 with pacman.
2022-11-23 00:56:07	Pound_Hash	The other apps are still working.
2022-11-23 00:56:29	Pound_Hash	Can I just delete the folder ~/.local/lib/python3.6?
2022-11-23 00:57:31	Scimmia	yes
2022-11-23 00:57:47	Pound_Hash	thanks guys
2022-11-23 00:58:31	Pound_Hash	I also have a few executables leftover in ~/.local/bin. For example, pipx.
2022-11-23 00:58:42	Pound_Hash	pacman doesn't show it as installed
2022-11-23 00:58:50	Pound_Hash	And `pip list` doesn't either.
2022-11-23 00:59:07	Pound_Hash	Running pipx --help doesn't show a way to uninstall it.
2022-11-23 01:00:36	Pound_Hash	That should be `pip list --user`
2022-11-23 01:00:55	Scimmia	no clue about pipx
2022-11-23 01:04:40	Pound_Hash	https://termbin.com/gixg
2022-11-23 01:04:54	Pound_Hash	Any ideas about these leftover executables?
2022-11-23 01:05:01	Pound_Hash	They're related to python somehow
2022-11-23 01:06:00	Pound_Hash	But nothing is printed by `pip list --user`
2022-11-23 01:06:51	Pound_Hash	With that being the case, is it safe to delete these executables along with the library folder at ~/.local/lib/python3.10?
2022-11-23 01:07:44	Scimmia	safe in that it won't affect your system, sure. As long as you're not using things directly
2022-11-23 01:12:19	Pound_Hash	I feel like a new man
2022-11-23 06:27:52	reimorster	hi there
2022-11-23 07:37:50	charlie5	hi guys ... my firefox is causing desktop to freeze :/ ... anyone else having this trouble ?
2022-11-23 07:40:46	HumanLove	no, im on chromium
2022-11-23 07:41:02	HumanLove	i dont know if somebody having problem
2022-11-23 07:41:25	HumanLove	it could hardware problem
2022-11-23 08:07:48	doublem	Hi all, I am sorry for asking this stupid question, I knew how to solve it in the past, but how do I get pass
2022-11-23 08:07:49	doublem	readline: /usr/lib/libhistory.so.8.2 exists in filesystem
2022-11-23 08:07:49	doublem	when upgrading nowadays?
2022-11-23 08:08:02	doublem	There used to be a force option but it was removed...
2022-11-23 08:13:24	HumanLove	doublem: try pacman -Syyu
2022-11-23 08:14:13	doublem	that was not it.
2022-11-23 08:14:27	HumanLove	its not working?
2022-11-23 08:14:28	doublem	pacman -S package-name --overwrite '*'
2022-11-23 08:14:41	doublem	Had done that already
2022-11-23 08:14:56	HumanLove	now its working?
2022-11-23 08:15:12	doublem	I solved it with overwrite "*"
2022-11-23 08:15:16	doublem	yes
2022-11-23 08:15:20	HumanLove	okay cool
2022-11-23 08:16:27	doublem	I have been using arch for like 10years, have had this error many times, it is just the pacman options, I used to use has been deactivated for a year or so.
2022-11-23 08:16:44	grawity	why do you keep having this error
2022-11-23 08:16:48	grawity	that's the bigger problem
2022-11-23 08:16:58	doublem	Thanks for trying to help though. Keep it in mind for yourself, you are bound to have it sometime
2022-11-23 08:17:11	grawity	it's not an error that normally shows up during arch upgrades unless a packager Forgets something and there's a whole News Post
2022-11-23 08:17:44	doublem	I don't keep having it, I have had it maybe a dozen times in 10years.
2022-11-23 08:18:50	doublem	the issue is sometimes, I have to build some pkg by hand, I also recently made a big error with conda, who overwrote many of my system library.
2022-11-23 08:20:02	doublem	I fixed it by reinstalling all the packages of arch in pacman manually but it is possible, I had two that had not been fixed entirely properly yet.
2022-11-23 08:20:57	doublem	grawity: I know the arch news was litterally the first thing, I checked.
2022-11-23 08:23:33	The-Compiler	doublem: there is a reason this is happening, telling pacman to just force-overwrite it is not a good solution - understand why it's happening and fix the underlying problem instead
2022-11-23 08:24:16	grawity	did you also check what package owns the file that's conflicting?
2022-11-23 08:24:18	The-Compiler	doublem: if you used "pacman -Qo /usr/lib/libhistory.so.8.2" it would tell you where it's coming from. If it's not coming from a package, stop running things as root which install stuff outside of your package manager.
2022-11-23 08:24:32	grawity	because a dozen times is still a dozen times too many
2022-11-23 08:24:51	grawity	it's part of why the --force option was removed
2022-11-23 08:24:56	doublem	Thanks, will do that next time.
2022-11-23 08:26:03	doublem	if I remember.
2022-11-23 08:27:49	doublem	I can count already 8 times in the arch news where that occured since 2020.
2022-11-23 08:28:43	doublem	so a dozen time since 2011 is not exceptional really (inmho), keep in mind in those times I am including those mentioned in the arch news.
2022-11-23 08:30:21	doublem	Today, I am not sure why the conflict, I do try to avoid installing manual packages as root. I usually make a clean PKGBUILD for them.
2022-11-23 08:32:49	doublem	grawity: by removing force, they were preventing users from using it without understanding what caused it in the first place (kind of like what I did today), no?
2022-11-23 08:33:30	doublem	surprised they allow, overwrite "*", then.
2022-11-23 10:05:08	rsaavedra	Hi. How do I autocomplete last argument of tar? For example, I always do `tar --create --file=file.tar file`, it does autocomplete after the --file option, but does not autocomplete the following `file` argument 
2022-11-23 10:08:24	SysGhost	rsaavedra: You're not alone. iirc, thre was some issue with autocomplete not autocompleting tar fully. Don't remember exact details though.
2022-11-23 10:08:47	SysGhost	rsaavedra: bash? or som other shell?
2022-11-23 10:09:32	rsaavedra	SysGhost: bash
2022-11-23 10:11:51	rsaavedra	Is there an option I can use, even if redundant for positional argument? like `tar --create --file=file.tar --argument=file`
2022-11-23 10:13:00	grawity	sounds like a bug in the `bash-completion` scripts
2022-11-23 11:03:57	PMunch	Hmm, has anyone here played around with cropping a wecam using v4l2?
2022-11-23 11:07:04	PMunch	Just for some context I have a webcam which can output either in MJPEG or yuyv422 format. MJPEG goes up to 1920x1080 at 30 fps, but that's full of JPEG artifacts. YUYV422 goes up to 800x448 at 30 fps, and can only do 1920x1080 at 5 fps. What I'm trying to do is crop the YUYV422 output on the camera side to be a 800x448 image which I can capture at 30fps
2022-11-23 11:12:51	ponies	PMunch: it depends on what software you are using. but its nonsenical to think you can capture 30fps from 1920x1080p by cropping it, because it only captures at 5fps 
2022-11-23 11:13:51	ponies	PMunch: artifacts may be caused by whatever codec you are using. only linux, libx should give you the best results 
2022-11-23 11:42:17	GuiToris	hello, can I use my computer as a bluetooth headset?
2022-11-23 11:43:21	Khorne	Yea, just put it on your head
2022-11-23 11:43:36	PMunch	ponies, oh I believed that v4l2 set options on the camera, so that the camera would do the cropping and only send the cropped output. The reason why it can't do full resolution at full framerate is because of USB transfer speeds, so if I can crop on the camera I could overcome that limitation
2022-11-23 11:44:35	PMunch	GuiToris, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/205378/use-desktop-as-bluetooth-headset
2022-11-23 11:44:37	phrik	Title: arch linux - Use desktop as bluetooth headset - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2022-11-23 11:45:03	GuiToris	PMunch, thank you
2022-11-23 11:45:08	GuiToris	I hope it works
2022-11-23 11:52:34	ti	Has anyone else noticed Firefox crashing a lot lately (last three updates or so) or is that just me?
2022-11-23 11:53:41	HumanLove	yes there was one asking fro question
2022-11-23 11:54:08	HumanLove	sorry. yes there was one neeb asking same question ti
2022-11-23 11:57:47	HumanLove	ti: use chromium
2022-11-23 12:01:29	Ennea	obviously don't just switch to chromium o.O
2022-11-23 12:01:36	Ennea	and no, i have not had any firefox crashes lately
2022-11-23 12:01:38	B-|	ti: no
2022-11-23 12:01:46	B-|	get librewolf
2022-11-23 12:02:57	B-|	or actually here's my setup: arch, sway, librewolf-bin
2022-11-23 12:03:08	B-|	don't think i've seen many crashes
2022-11-23 12:03:16	B-|	if at all
2022-11-23 12:03:44	jelle	advicing someone to switch to snakeoil isn't helping
2022-11-23 12:04:10	B-|	also become actively and extremely hostile to anyone using chromium-based browsers
2022-11-23 12:04:50	B-|	towards
2022-11-23 12:05:23	jelle	B-|: don't do that here, that is not appreciated
2022-11-23 12:05:32	B-|	and any shitsite that works better in chromium-based browsers
2022-11-23 12:05:52	B-|	jelle: i'm only suggesting it
2022-11-23 12:06:19	ti	I wasn't looking to switch to a different browser, just wondering if this was a me problem.
2022-11-23 12:06:20	jelle	ti: what is a crash? segfault?
2022-11-23 12:07:40	ti	jelle: Sometimes the only one tab, sometimes the whole browser. This is the latest one: https://crash-stats.mozilla.org/report/index/9188f716-c808-4c76-b62c-9197b0221123
2022-11-23 12:07:43	jelle	ti: and otherwise https://bugs.archlinux.org/index.php?string=firefox&project=1
2022-11-23 12:07:46	phrik	Title: [@ JSClass::doTrace] - Firefox 107.0 Crash Report - Report ID: 9188f716-c808-4c76-b62c-9197b0221123 (at crash-stats.mozilla.org)
2022-11-23 12:07:47	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Bugtracker:: Arch Linux: Tasklist (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-11-23 12:08:16	jelle	ti: tried a clean profile? Or disabling addons temporarily?
2022-11-23 12:08:18	B-|	ti: forgot to say, i'm using integrated graphics
2022-11-23 12:10:45	ti	jelle: No, haven't had time to debug it like that yet. I didn't change anything in my setup or install any addons recently though.
2022-11-23 12:14:42	Bayes	what's scroll overlay? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/1239014
2022-11-23 12:14:43	phrik	Title: Bug #1239014 “xfsettingsd unable to daemonize properly when over...” : Bugs : xfce4-settings package : Ubuntu (at bugs.launchpad.net)
2022-11-23 12:36:39	ti	Looking at https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/72241, I'll try disabling HW acceleration for now and see if that helps.
2022-11-23 12:54:22	Ennea	ti, strictly out of curiosity, what gpu do you have and what drivers are you using?
2022-11-23 12:58:12	ti	Ennea: Radeon RX580 and mesa
2022-11-23 12:59:50	Ennea	if disabling hw acceleration fixes it, i suppose that might be related. i thought it's usually nvidia causing issues, but i (3080, proprietary nvidia drivers) am not facing any problems right now 😁
2022-11-23 13:02:26	ti	Ennea: It's kind of a long shot anyway since the bug is older than a year and I've only had this problem recently. My stack trace also looks a bit different.
2022-11-23 13:05:26	Ennea	disabling hw acceleration never seems like that much of a long shot, honestly
2022-11-23 13:05:33	Ennea	i've had so many various issues with it over the years
2022-11-23 13:09:33	Edu4rdSHL	Starting with a new, empty profile, would be much better as debug test
2022-11-23 13:10:26	Edu4rdSHL	Also making sure that the system is up to date and there aren't partial upgrades by chance or some package being ignored.
2022-11-23 13:12:44	thisconnect	When im migrating a to a new efi boot partition, im just redoing the partition, mounting, installing bootloader and mkinitcpio -P?
2022-11-23 13:15:26	ponies	correct 
2022-11-23 13:23:18	ti	Edu4rdSHL: If only it wasn't so annoying to start with a new profile without all my settings and addons, and actively use it for however many hours it might take to crash.
2022-11-23 13:25:23	Ennea	yea, that's the reason i find turning off hw acceleration more viable 😁
2022-11-23 13:25:38	Ennea	if it still crashes then, i'd also try a new profile, painful as it is
2022-11-23 13:26:05	Edu4rdSHL	Well, it isn't about viability, though, it's about debugging a crash.
2022-11-23 13:27:20	Edu4rdSHL	Also, you can use a new profile and sync your accounts or whatever you need and see how it goes, the whole idea of a new profile is not to be without anything but avoiding potential damaged files on the previous one
2022-11-23 14:27:52	ti	h4rd3n3d: Not sure what you mean by that. Especially painful would be addon settings, which aren't synced, so I'd have to reinstall userscripts, add sites to my dark mode whitelist, select filter lists in Ublock, login to my password manager, reconfigure Tree Style Tabs etc.
2022-11-23 14:28:52	jelle	ti: there is a way to run firefox with addons --safe-mode
2022-11-23 14:28:59	jelle	you can test if that does anything
2022-11-23 14:32:17	phrik	Title: Profile-sync-daemon - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-23 14:32:41	jelle	h4rd3n3d: this does not help at all
2022-11-23 14:37:10	ti	jelle: (assuming you meant "without) Yeah, but then I'm back to actively using my browser without addons, some of which (like my adblocker) I really don't want to go without, for however long it might take to crash. I'll definitely do it if disabling hw acceleration doesn't help, but I'm not looking forward to it. Thanks for your suggestions.
2022-11-23 14:37:31	jelle	ti: right
2022-11-23 16:25:23	susi	ti: you might try creating a new profile (about:profiles), and then transferring extensions/, extension-preferences.json, extensions.json, extension-settings.json from one profile (under ~/.mozilla/firefox) to another, and copying extensions.wexextensions.uuids pref over
2022-11-23 16:25:42	susi	extensions.webextensions.uuids*
2022-11-23 16:26:09	susi	it should preserve addons with their settings
2022-11-23 16:26:53	susi	of course a good idea to find the issue first, but this information might be useful in the future
2022-11-23 16:27:36	ti	susi: Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
2022-11-23 16:28:05	cedb	is keeping your firefox profile sane even possible?
2022-11-23 16:28:48	cedb	ive been debating rebooting mine to make it cleaner, but sometimes after an update or a reboot it starts working fine again so i never worked up the motivation
2022-11-23 16:31:57	mingdao	I must have imported my Firefox bookmarks from another drive/user twice, because everything is listed twice.  I wish I could figure out how to merge and drop the dups.
2022-11-23 16:34:58	Ennea	just drop everything and import again?
2022-11-23 16:35:57	phrik	Title: Profile-sync-daemon - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-23 16:36:16	susi	that's most likely the easiest way, it's also possible to edit bookmarks through the sqlite database
2022-11-23 16:42:06	susi	I'm still on FF v101 - are there surprises waiting for me when I finally do upgrade?
2022-11-23 16:42:09	agowa338	Hi, I've a small problem with my radvd.conf, I've "prefix ::/64" in one interface (downstream to use a DHCPv6-PD that dhcpcd configured), but the router assigning it doesn't add a route for it internally, so I've to advertise it myself. Is it possible to write such an advertisement in radvd.conf without a hook script?
2022-11-23 16:42:50	mingdao	Ennea: That would not account for any added to what is there now.
2022-11-23 16:43:39	mingdao	h4rd3n3d: Working dayjob atm; bookmarked that link and will check it out on my time; thanks.
2022-11-23 16:44:00	susi	mingdao: then you need to hack places.sqlite... 
2022-11-23 16:44:37	Ennea	mingdao, oh, i thought it had happened right after, uh, migration or some such
2022-11-23 16:44:42	mingdao	susi: Probably /home/bhill/.mozilla/firefox/x72a6zk2.dev-edition-default-1633609925065/places.sqlite ?
2022-11-23 16:45:02	susi	mingdao: yes, but of course make a copy of it
2022-11-23 16:45:19	Ennea	susi, as for surprises between 101 until now: i can't think of any, but why not read the changelogs for each release to make sure?
2022-11-23 16:45:40	Ennea	the only thing that broke for me recently was my user chrome css to alter the look of tooltips, with 108
2022-11-23 16:45:44	mingdao	Ennea: First, I added a user for work (0700-1400), to keep personal and work separate while working from home.  Then, I replaced a 256GB SSD with a 2TB SSD.  I have convoluted stuff now.
2022-11-23 16:46:03	Ennea	hehe, sounds familiar
2022-11-23 16:46:26	mingdao	susi: Yes, ofc; thanks for the file tip.  That will probably the the best for now, then use the psd h4rd3n3d linked going forward.
2022-11-23 16:46:48	mingdao	I tried to stop using Firefox, but nothing else does what I have been accustomed to with it; so, I'm back.
2022-11-23 16:47:24	Ennea	any particular reason you wanted to stop using FF?
2022-11-23 16:48:05	susi	h4rd3n3d: you criminal!
2022-11-23 16:48:20	mingdao	susi: I've been using Firefox Dev Edition for years, today on 108.0b3, so can't say what changed; but much has, not always to my liking.
2022-11-23 17:13:34	mingdao	h4rd3n3d: I have a fileserver.
2022-11-23 17:32:12	Elodin	#proxmox
2022-11-23 17:32:52	fenugrec	+/close
2022-11-23 17:32:56	fenugrec	oops
2022-11-23 18:27:21	edgy	Hi, find -exec ls {} + |head shows errors "find: ‘ls’ terminated by signal 13", is it wrong to pipe find to another command?
2022-11-23 18:50:01	edgy	susi: actually I want to pipe it to sk and see if I can replace broot with it ;)
2022-11-23 18:50:48	edgy	susi: find is very flexible especially with -printf and I can do many things I can't do with broot, any suggestions are welcomed
2022-11-23 18:51:05	edgy	just testing fuzzy search
2022-11-23 18:51:18	susi	I don't know broot, I'm using fzf for fuzzying around
2022-11-23 18:57:46	edgy	susi: then I need to compare skim and fzf, have you done this yourself?
2022-11-23 18:58:07	susi	nope, fzf have always been all I want and need
2022-11-23 18:59:36	edgy	susi: great, I will try both now and see. Really appreciate all your help
2022-11-23 18:59:47	susi	https://0x0.st/oUN8.png here's a lil pic how I've configured it, but it looks different for command history search
2022-11-23 19:05:18	edgy	susi: I see your cat ** command but I can't see where you piped it to fzf!
2022-11-23 19:07:08	susi	I did not pipe it, no need for it
2022-11-23 19:07:18	susi	it's integrated to my shell in such a way
2022-11-23 19:10:05	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-11-23 19:14:36	edgy	susi: I am completely new to this so correct me if I am wrong. I just launched fzf and skim without any options in a large folder. sk seems much faster. I see this from the counter in the bottom for both the query and the total files
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2022-11-23 19:15:57	susi	I know nothing about skim, but might very well be faster. fzf has been fast enough for me in all times
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2022-11-23 19:21:18	edgy	susi: I might be affected by a disease called search-for-a-better-tool even if my current tool do the job. will try to find a cure ;)
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2022-11-23 19:22:46	phrik	BrainDamage: Tada!
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2022-11-23 19:23:07	susi	I myself suffer from optimizitis, feel you
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2022-11-23 19:47:40	SysGhost	Maybe there's a tool to find such a tool. We need to investigate and find this tool!
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2022-11-23 19:52:28	gehidore	or better yet, make such a tool
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2022-11-23 19:52:35	gehidore	then fork it
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2022-11-23 20:18:03	Bayes	something updated and my windows now have some transparency. Is that an X, xfce or driver/nvidia setting?
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2022-11-23 20:20:04	susi	maybe a compositor?
2022-11-23 20:20:29	Bayes	oh
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2022-11-23 20:23:04	Bayes	"XFCE4 and MATE both include compositing"
2022-11-23 20:23:08	Bayes	so maybe it's an XFCE4 setting
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2022-11-23 20:35:07	yenaras	yeah or check what compositor you use, the most common one is picom now
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2022-11-23 20:43:49	ti	Bayes: Maybe an update to your Gtk theme?
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2022-11-23 20:54:48	Bayes	I don't know really, it's kinda weird because it happened suddenly but I don't remember changing any setting
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2022-11-23 20:56:19	Bayes	I took a look at xfce4-settings-editor, there were a few settings about "frame opacity" but it didn't make any change
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2022-11-23 20:57:43	Bayes	teraflops, would I be using xfce's compositor even if I'm using i3 (and not Xfwm)?
2022-11-23 20:58:37	teraflops	open xfce settings and check that out
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2022-11-24 15:58:43	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-11-24 12:49:04	kidnextdoor	how can i copy files from server to client and vice versa?
2022-11-24 12:49:30	xulfer	rsync is a good one
2022-11-24 12:49:45	Ennea	i suppose scp is the more common option
2022-11-24 12:50:19	xulfer	yeah but using root is frowned upon
2022-11-24 12:50:58	B-|	>:)ed upon
2022-11-24 12:51:16	kidnextdoor	im trying this but its not working: $ scp /home/user/test.file user@clientip:\Users\user\Documents
2022-11-24 12:51:37	Ennea	xulfer, no need to use root for scp
2022-11-24 12:51:40	Ennea	kidnextdoor, use forward slashes
2022-11-24 12:51:51	B-|	ew
2022-11-24 12:51:56	Ennea	(also, i'm sure that generates a somewhat useful error. why not read that)
2022-11-24 12:52:34	xulfer	and might be getting into ports being closed there
2022-11-24 12:53:47	xulfer	I’m aware
2022-11-24 12:53:53	opt1mus	!give kidnextdoor aw scp
2022-11-24 12:53:54	phrik	kidnextdoor: SCP - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/SCP
2022-11-24 12:54:17	opt1mus	there are some good examples of scp usage
2022-11-24 12:55:05	xulfer	Brb
2022-11-24 13:04:17	cek	why can't i scroll the console buffer up?
2022-11-24 13:04:34	Namarrgon	there is no scrollback buffer, it was remove
2022-11-24 13:04:38	Namarrgon	*removed
2022-11-24 13:05:48	cek	is this a joke
2022-11-24 13:05:53	Namarrgon	use tmux/screen ... or a file
2022-11-24 13:07:37	cek	good idea for a rescue system
2022-11-24 13:08:41	cek	what small wm would you recommend?
2022-11-24 13:09:19	kidnextdoor	yes
2022-11-24 13:09:31	kidnextdoor	https://winscp.net/eng/index.php
2022-11-24 13:09:31	phrik	Title: WinSCP :: Official Site :: Free SFTP and FTP client for Windows (at winscp.net)
2022-11-24 13:09:37	Namarrgon	try all of them, decided for yourself
2022-11-24 13:10:05	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Window_manager
2022-11-24 13:10:06	phrik	Title: Window manager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-24 13:11:25	cek	nah, need the breakdown of sizes like https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/apds02.html.en
2022-11-24 13:11:26	phrik	Title: D.2. Disk Space Needed for Tasks (at www.debian.org)
2022-11-24 13:11:51	Namarrgon	you mean disk size?
2022-11-24 13:12:10	Namarrgon	if you keep it in ram then it takes no diskspace at all
2022-11-24 13:12:12	cek	yes, small as in size small
2022-11-24 13:12:50	Namarrgon	pacman -Si <pkg>
2022-11-24 13:13:12	cek	it won't calc deps
2022-11-24 13:13:21	Namarrgon	ah, deps, too?
2022-11-24 13:13:29	cek	xfce used to be the smallest, what about i3, is it considerably larger?
2022-11-24 13:13:31	jelle	we don't offer that somewhere I think
2022-11-24 13:13:38	Namarrgon	xfce is a DE, not a WM
2022-11-24 13:13:40	jelle	cek: those are not comparable things
2022-11-24 13:14:14	kidnextdoor	how i use chown to make a folder ownership of a user?
2022-11-24 13:14:17	Namarrgon	since your criteria as so finicky and personalized you'll have to run the numbers yourself
2022-11-24 13:14:30	cek	damnit
2022-11-24 13:14:44	Namarrgon	kidnextdoor: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/File_permissions_and_attributes#Changing_ownership
2022-11-24 13:14:45	phrik	Title: File permissions and attributes - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-24 13:14:49	Namarrgon	"man chown"
2022-11-24 13:15:15	kidnextdoor	thank you
2022-11-24 13:15:30	kidnextdoor	websited killed the relay chat
2022-11-24 13:34:02	rsaavedra	Now that ueberzug is dead, will it be removed from the community repo in the near future? I only use it for pdf cover previews, any alternatives for this? something like nsxiv but supporting pdf previews?
2022-11-24 13:35:32	Namarrgon	as long as it still works for you you can keep using it
2022-11-24 13:41:29	nyloc	Hi, I had an issue with an web app and the result was this bugreport https://github.com/louislam/uptime-kuma/issues/2318# which shows that this is "currently" only an Arch Linux Chromium issue. Should I report it at the arch bugtracker or Upstream at Chromium?
2022-11-24 13:44:15	Furai	So I guess it's already known issue that Firefox Dev Edition crashes a lot lately?
2022-11-24 13:49:04	Ennea	Furai, you're not the first one with this issue, but it seems to be isolated to something
2022-11-24 13:49:13	Ennea	what gpu and which drivers are you running?
2022-11-24 13:55:57	Furai	Right now I'm running latest nvidia-open drivers, v520. GPU RTX 3070Ti
2022-11-24 13:57:55	Ennea	hm. then perhaps it's not gpu related. classic shot in the dark ;) the most recent other user facing the same problem is running firefox stable (i believe) and has an AMD gpu, using the mesa drivers
2022-11-24 13:58:14	Ennea	me personally, i have zero crashes in firefox. dev edition, rtx 3080, nvidia proprietary drivers
2022-11-24 13:58:26	Ennea	so _maybe_ you could try the proprietary drivers. or the issue is a different one entirely
2022-11-24 13:58:36	Ennea	Furai, X11 or wayland?
2022-11-24 13:59:21	Ennea	also, see if you can reproduce the crashes on a fresh profile
2022-11-24 14:00:30	Furai	Ennea, x11
2022-11-24 14:01:09	Ennea	same here
2022-11-24 14:01:38	Ennea	i think i've seen two other users besides you in here that claim that just relatively recently, their firefox has started crashing
2022-11-24 14:01:44	Furai	Ok, so I'll later on try to run it with fresh profile and if that doesn't help then switch back from nivdia-open to nvidia drivers.
2022-11-24 14:01:48	Ennea	now i'm really curious what's causing it (and slightly happy i don't have it)
2022-11-24 14:02:04	Ennea	Furai, the drivers thing is (again) just a guess
2022-11-24 14:02:14	Ennea	but worth a try at least, i reckon
2022-11-24 14:02:26	Furai	Firefox has been crashing/freezing for at least few months now. But now it's more apparent after recent update.
2022-11-24 14:02:55	Ennea	hm, i find that pretty weird
2022-11-24 14:03:19	Furai	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1781167
2022-11-24 14:03:22	phrik	Title: 1781167 - Firefox window randomly freezes (at bugzilla.mozilla.org)
2022-11-24 14:03:32	Furai	I think this was the issue I kept checking for info on the fix.
2022-11-24 14:04:34	Ennea	how often does it crash, what would you say? or how long does it take to crash, usually?
2022-11-24 14:07:15	Furai	Today and yesterday I had like 5+ crashes. Before that it was like let's say once in few days, usually after actively switching a lot of tbas.
2022-11-24 14:07:18	Furai	tabs*
2022-11-24 14:07:54	Furai	And rather heavy resource wise tabs like youtube/discord.
2022-11-24 14:08:00	Ennea	hm. well, i hope you can find the cause
2022-11-24 14:08:38	Ennea	you know what, this reminds me of a similar issue i had at some point. i think it will be completely unrelated to your issue, but i'm gonna talk about it real quick just in case you gain any insights from it
2022-11-24 14:09:02	Furai	Ok, I'm curious.
2022-11-24 14:09:18	Ennea	i used to have programs making use of the gpu for rendering crash. weirdly not games, just firefox with hw acceleration turned on and a bunch of electron apps. they crashed in such a spectacular way that they took the entire system down with them, though. hard freeze most of the time
2022-11-24 14:09:20	Furai	In past firefox was just freezing with switching tabs.
2022-11-24 14:09:54	Ennea	that was back when i was still on windows, but i wonder if it could also happen on linux honestly. finding the cause took a while and was entirely random. there's a piece of windows software called hwinfo that mostly just queries hardware sensors. gpu, cpu, mainboard, everything
2022-11-24 14:10:19	Ennea	turns out my asus motherboard has some bug (multiple for sure ;p) that was causing side effects when hwinfo was polling the sensors all the time that lead to these specific crashes
2022-11-24 14:10:34	Ennea	once i had disabled hwinfo's monitoring of all mainboard sensors, the issue disappeared entirely and immediately
2022-11-24 14:10:52	Furai	wow
2022-11-24 14:11:09	Ennea	so i know this sounds whacky and crazy, but _just in case_ you have a setup that monitors your mobo sensors... might be worth looking into
2022-11-24 14:12:02	Furai	I don't think it's the case here but thanks for the heads up!
2022-11-24 14:36:17	elichai2	Hi, I saw this RFC https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/rfcs/-/blob/master/rfcs/0002-march.rst, can I set `Architecture = x86_64-v3` to get all packages compiled with SSE4.2 and AVX2? 
2022-11-24 14:36:21	phrik	Title: Files · master · Arch Linux / RFCs · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2022-11-24 14:38:06	Scimmia	there are no packages in the repos for that Architecture yet
2022-11-24 14:38:29	Scimmia	there are 3rd party repos, but they tend to be incomplete, and even cause problems when they lag behind
2022-11-24 14:41:38	⚡ 	thrice is sort of skeptical it'll ever happen as-written
2022-11-24 14:41:51	jelle	elichai2: you can use extra-x86_64-v3-build already
2022-11-24 14:42:05	jelle	uh extra-x86_64_v3-build
2022-11-24 14:44:01	elichai2	jelle: what is that exactly? Isn't that for AUR packages or something? 
2022-11-24 14:44:29	jelle	elichai2: no, can be used to build any arch package. It's the official tooling for repository packages
2022-11-24 14:45:12	elichai2	Oh, so it allows me to build the built in packages myself and set `-march=native`? 
2022-11-24 14:45:53	elichai2	I wonder if I can automate this with yay to always build it for me. Would be pretty cool to have all my system built for my native arch 
2022-11-24 14:46:00	jelle	elichai2: no it does not set -march=native
2022-11-24 14:46:16	jelle	it compiles for x86_64-v3, what you asked about :)
2022-11-24 14:47:11	elichai2	Oh ok, that's close enough to my native arch 
2022-11-24 14:47:35	elichai2	My question was more about automating this, so every time I run `yay -Syu` it will use this to update my packages 
2022-11-24 14:49:28	Scimmia	Architecture, that you asked about, is a pacman option for installing binary packages
2022-11-24 14:49:56	Scimmia	If you're wanting to build your entire system youself, that's a whole different animal
2022-11-24 14:50:30	Scimmia	Arch really doesn't have the user-side tooling to make that work easily
2022-11-24 14:51:20	elichai2	Scimmia: my goal is to have binaries compiled for my arch or for v3(which is basically my arch) 
2022-11-24 14:51:39	elichai2	I don't care too much how I get there (compiling myself or getting verified binaries) 
2022-11-24 14:52:09	thrice	not sure why you wouldn't use gentoo at that point
2022-11-24 14:52:40	MacGyver	thrice: Because USE flags are a terrible abstraction causing untold levels of grief, but other than that...
2022-11-24 14:53:26	thrice	compared to trying to maintain all of your own arch packages, I strongly disagree
2022-11-24 14:53:37	MacGyver	But yeah, in Arch... you'll end up writing your own framework around ASP, probably.
2022-11-24 14:53:51	elichai2	thrice: you're right, I'll try to setup gentoo in a vm and see how I like it, if it works well I might move to it 
2022-11-24 14:54:02	jelle	might be worth to mention that it doesn't make sense to rebuild everything for v3, as it likely won't matter that much
2022-11-24 14:54:08	elichai2	But if everything takes forever because of self compiling that will suck 
2022-11-24 14:54:25	MacGyver	elichai2: Well that's why people tend to not do it.
2022-11-24 14:54:43	MacGyver	elichai2: Unless you're running linpack 24/7, the time saved by self-compiling is *vastly* outweighed by the time actually doing the building.
2022-11-24 14:54:59	elichai2	Will also need to decide if I use clang or gcc as my default compiler for gentoo :) 
2022-11-24 14:56:49	elichai2	MacGyver: I don't use linpack/lapack but I do write *a lot* of cryptography and mathematical code and run a lot of cryptographic software, so it might still improve my overall OS perf
2022-11-24 15:00:26	kidnextdoor	no, i learn better using my method, talking with others
2022-11-24 15:00:38	kidnextdoor	not reading lifeless sites
2022-11-24 15:01:32	thrice	that's not really the intent of this channel
2022-11-24 15:02:00	kidnextdoor	i apologise then, whats the intent of this channel? really?
2022-11-24 15:02:34	Ennea	arch linux support
2022-11-24 15:02:35	thrice	it's at least nice if you show some effort that you've tried to help yourself with available resources
2022-11-24 15:03:20	thrice	I mean, you don't have to, but you'll probably find that you exhaust people with trivial questions that are easily answered via. the wiki
2022-11-24 15:03:54	opt1mus	we, the community put a lot of time and effort into that wiki
2022-11-24 15:07:25	kidnextdoor	excuses so you dont teach nothing to nobody, more excuses to let people in ignorance, but ok, i wont ask more before banging my head around websites first
2022-11-24 15:07:58	Namarrgon	this is a support channel, not a spoonfeed channel
2022-11-24 15:08:37	thrice	I'm just saying, if you come in here with clear signs that you're not even trying, you probably won't get much help over time
2022-11-24 15:08:41	opt1mus	people offer their time in this channel for free
2022-11-24 15:09:03	kidnextdoor	support: bear all or part of the weight of; hold up. give assistance to, especially financially.
2022-11-24 15:09:33	thrice	kidnextdoor: sure, if you pay me, I'll spoon feed you :)
2022-11-24 15:10:23	Ennea	kidnextdoor, the most valuable lesson you can learn with arch (or linux in general) is how to support yourself
2022-11-24 15:10:24	opt1mus	kidnextdoor: on scrollup I see you asked things like use of chown, I highly recomend becoming familiar with: man man, then man sometool
2022-11-24 15:10:37	Ennea	and you can do this quite easily, too, because the arch wiki is an absolutely amazing resource brimming with information
2022-11-24 15:10:47	Ennea	there are so many details for tons of edge cases in there, too
2022-11-24 15:10:54	kidnextdoor	i found it, chown <user> <folder> qorks
2022-11-24 15:11:02	Ennea	so the first thing that people normally expect is that you try to help yourself
2022-11-24 15:11:14	Khorne	Wrong, I don't expect anything from people
2022-11-24 15:11:24	Ennea	helps to learn that, too, in the event that there is nobody else available to help you ;)
2022-11-24 15:11:30	opt1mus	man chown <-- and it even has examples!
2022-11-24 15:12:15	opt1mus	don't know how to nav man, then: man man
2022-11-24 15:12:23	kidnextdoor	fine fine, i got it, never ask for help in #archlinux
2022-11-24 15:12:35	thrice	that's the spirit, blame us
2022-11-24 15:12:38	Namarrgon	not with that attitude
2022-11-24 15:13:06	opt1mus	I'm trying to provide you with the basic tools any self respecting linux user goes to when unsure how a thing works
2022-11-24 15:13:15	kidnextdoor	truth is, so much fuss to help me, but to rant and judge we can chat all we want, look at this last 10 minutes garbage talk
2022-11-24 15:13:25	kidnextdoor	talk about arch even if trivial no... right!
2022-11-24 15:13:53	Namarrgon	we're not doing this just for you, there are others listening and learning from our mistakes right now
2022-11-24 15:14:28	MacGyver	kidnextdoor: If that's indeed what you learn from this interaction, it is definitely true for you.
2022-11-24 15:15:01	MacGyver	Funny how self-fulfulling that ends up being.
2022-11-24 15:16:28	Ennea	h4rd3n3d, is that something i should be reading? KDE (or specifically dolphin i guess) seems to be doing just fine with mounting and unmounting ntfs
2022-11-24 15:16:36	Ennea	and i don't want my ntfs stuff auto-mounted either
2022-11-24 15:17:04	Furai	I'm usually finding some time to check IRC chat once in a while to learn about some nitty gritty details.
2022-11-24 15:17:16	grawity	tbh you all aren't very good at this "support channel" thing either
2022-11-24 15:17:32	MacGyver	Ennea: I think it's mostly about permissions on NTFS, which are weird because the Windows permission model doesn't cleanly map to the Linux one.
2022-11-24 15:18:06	Ennea	MacGyver, good to know, thanks. then i'm good, since i don't create any files on my ntfs partitions. only reading off them right now, aiming to replace them with ext4 soon-ish :)
2022-11-24 15:18:40	Ennea	grawity, eh, a chat needs chatting occasionally. or did you have something else in mind when you say we're bad at it? ;p
2022-11-24 15:18:45	MacGyver	Ennea: Yeah usually reading is just a matter of "just do it as root then chown whatever you copied".
2022-11-24 15:20:01	Ennea	MacGyver, interestingly, i think dolphin can do the chowning/chmoding..? or i forgot that i was doing it manually. i was checking some files i had copied over earlier, and they were already owned by me and the permissions were non-windows-y, too
2022-11-24 15:20:31	MacGyver	Ennea: Depends on who did the mounting, iirc.
2022-11-24 15:20:32	grawity	that's because ntfs-3g defaults to *not* using NTFS permissions and just pretends it's like FAT32
2022-11-24 15:20:48	grawity	so all files appear as if owned by whatever -o uid=,gid= is specified at mount time (or by root)
2022-11-24 15:21:00	grawity	the ACL support in ntfs-3g is opt-in
2022-11-24 15:21:24	grawity	(in the new ntfs3 driver -- nonexistent; it stores Unix ownership/permissions in WSL extra fields and ignores NTFS perms entirely)
2022-11-24 15:21:25	Ennea	ownership was never an issue for me, but permissions are usually.. well
2022-11-24 15:21:31	Ennea	0777 on every file or whatever it was?
2022-11-24 15:21:49	Ennea	and that's the bit i think dolphin may be fixing automatically (when copying with dolphin), but again, maybe i just forgot i did that
2022-11-24 15:21:53	grawity	edit that in /etc/udisks2
2022-11-24 15:22:06	grawity	or /etc/fstab if it's mostly a fixed disk
2022-11-24 15:22:57	Ennea	wait, you said WSL extra fields. did microsoft extend ntfs for WSL, or were there fields to begin with that they used for WSL stuff?
2022-11-24 15:23:23	grawity	ntfs has generic support for EAs, which are mostly equivalent to Linux xattrs
2022-11-24 15:23:35	Ennea	hm. still learning new things about ntfs :)
2022-11-24 15:23:48	grawity	(though ntfs-3g doesn't let you access EAs but maps Linux xattrs to ntfs alternate streams, for extra confusion)
2022-11-24 15:24:41	grawity	whereas in ntfs3, xattrs are stored as NTFS extended attributes
2022-11-24 15:24:54	MacGyver	grawity: I also seem to recall that the Windows way of ACL isn't *100%* compatible with the Linux way, due to how permissions cascade and one or two mismatching permission items, but it's been 10 years so I don't recall the details of that.
2022-11-24 15:25:08	MacGyver	The bottom line was "Don't touch it if you can avoid it".
2022-11-24 15:25:28	grawity	MacGyver: Linux implements POSIX "draft" ACLs which handle inheritance very differently, and have fewer permission bits
2022-11-24 15:25:56	grawity	freebsd has NFS ACLs / ZFS ACLs that are very much like NTFS/Windows stuff, for comparison
2022-11-24 15:26:18	grawity	but the "RichACL" patches for Linux have been pending for around a decade and nobody's paying attention
2022-11-24 15:26:45	grawity	Ennea: ntfsinfo /dev/sda3 --file test.txt
2022-11-24 15:27:02	grawity	or, `fsutil file layout z:\test.txt`
2022-11-24 15:28:27	kidnextdoor	i cant find certificates for my website, how can i add certificates to my website hosted in my archlinux?
2022-11-24 15:29:11	Ennea	grawity, interesting. thanks!
2022-11-24 15:29:36	Ennea	h4rd3n3d, yikes. fun
2022-11-24 15:32:58	analoq	kidnextdoor: your webserver doesnt care about your os.
2022-11-24 15:33:23	kidnextdoor	alright alright i was trolling sorry
2022-11-24 15:43:01	mpan	Anywone *knows*, what’s the distribution of monthly traffic tier 2 mirror operators should expect? I want to put the information on the wiki. Asking about knowledge, not guesses.
2022-11-24 15:44:53	BrainDamage	isn't there a devops channel?
2022-11-24 15:45:19	mpan	BrainDamage: yes, there is. They were unable to give me the answer.
2022-11-24 15:45:32	BrainDamage	ah :/
2022-11-24 15:45:34	mpan	(and that’s not a devops question either, as the channel is dedicated to Arch’s internal infra)
2022-11-24 15:46:01	CubeTheThird	would it be possible to contact a group that runs such a mirror? Seems to me they'd know for sure
2022-11-24 15:46:12	jelle	there is a mailing list for mirrors
2022-11-24 15:46:25	mpan	CubeTheThird: yes, it is possible. I am asking if the information is already available, without the need to create such data from scratch.
2022-11-24 15:46:39	Foxboron	mpan: That is hard to answer plainly. You need to ask a couple so you can get an idea as tier 2 can have different usage requirements depending on the number of tier 1 mirrors in the region
2022-11-24 15:46:41	B-|	kidnextdoor: certbot
2022-11-24 15:47:04	mpan	I am fully aware how to produce that data. I want to know if the information is simply already know, so it could be put in the wiki as-is right now.
2022-11-24 15:47:44	mpan	If I ask if pacman may break if “/var/pacman/pkg” is a symlink, you may answer me, despite I could of course just read the sources. Right?
2022-11-24 15:48:15	kidnextdoor	hmm ok ok, ive read about it, but some gave it bad reviews, but ill try it out
2022-11-24 15:48:25	kidnextdoor	thank you
2022-11-24 15:48:48	Foxboron	mpan: Nobody knows. It should be the obvious answer. You need to query multiple sources that host them
2022-11-24 15:48:51	B-|	i need a nicer key bindings for sway/i3
2022-11-24 15:49:09	Foxboron	mpan: I can ask my friend who runs the archlinux.no tier 2 mirror, but that is not enough information
2022-11-24 15:49:09	B-|	s/ a / /
2022-11-24 15:49:13	mpan	Foxboron: no, it is not an obvious answer. But thanks.
2022-11-24 15:49:34	mpan	Yes, indeed asking a single mirror operator is not enough. I am aware of that as well, which is why I first ask if the information is already known.
2022-11-24 15:49:36	B-|	windows key + shift + number sucks
2022-11-24 15:49:42	B-|	i have to move my hand
2022-11-24 15:50:12	B-|	i want something to go off of
2022-11-24 15:51:14	Ennea	B-|, what do those bindings do?
2022-11-24 15:51:22	B-|	change tabs
2022-11-24 15:51:30	B-|	or windows
2022-11-24 15:51:35	B-|	whatever sway calls them
2022-11-24 15:51:38	Ennea	hm
2022-11-24 15:51:43	susi	moves windows to different workspace, for me
2022-11-24 15:51:58	B-|	*workspaces
2022-11-24 15:51:59	B-|	yea
2022-11-24 15:52:08	B-|	annoying or i'm using sway wrong
2022-11-24 15:52:39	B-|	also +-| keys are far away
2022-11-24 15:52:41	Ennea	oh, workspaces. i'm kinda used to just (your favorite combination of modifiers) + arrow keys to cycle through them
2022-11-24 15:52:42	susi	get a better keyboard, I don't need to move my hand to use that combination.. but anyway, it's trivial enough to configure those bindings to your liking :-)
2022-11-24 15:52:45	B-|	would be nice to move closer
2022-11-24 15:52:56	B-|	arrow keys? ew
2022-11-24 15:52:56	Ennea	and then add a modifier to that combination for taking the currently active window with you or so
2022-11-24 15:53:04	B-|	i like vi keys
2022-11-24 15:53:19	Ennea	then use those! ;)
2022-11-24 15:53:49	B-|	VERY HELPFUL (joking)
2022-11-24 15:54:15	susi	it would be nice to have {modifier[s]}-number to focus a specific window, hmm
2022-11-24 15:54:23	B-|	isn't there a comically smug post about how efficient you can be with sway i can read on top of your yead
2022-11-24 15:54:34	B-|	oh wait
2022-11-24 15:54:41	B-|	yeah that's what it does
2022-11-24 15:54:46	B-|	moving windows is a pain
2022-11-24 15:55:07	susi	so do something about your need to move windows around
2022-11-24 15:55:16	B-|	*off to top of your hears
2022-11-24 15:55:17	B-|	heads
2022-11-24 15:55:31	kidnextdoor	i was going to ask how can i change ownership of a folder, and its subfolders and files but dont bother ill search
2022-11-24 15:55:52	Guest283734	hi new here
2022-11-24 15:55:53	susi	kidnextdoor: you were linked a wiki article on that topic
2022-11-24 15:55:58	Guest283734	how do i get into i3/sway
2022-11-24 15:56:07	jelle	kidnextdoor: this passive aggressivness is not appreciated here
2022-11-24 15:56:30	kidnextdoor	if you have a potato in your hand and you are in the fields, go back and read all farming science.
2022-11-24 15:56:47	Ennea	h4rd3n3d, didn't say it auto-mounts. i just said i don't need auto-mounting for my ntfs partition, so i always do it manually in dolphin when i need it ;)
2022-11-24 15:56:50	bluetail	Guest283734 start i3/sway
2022-11-24 15:57:01	jelle	bluetail: this is B-|, check the backlog :)
2022-11-24 15:57:08	kidnextdoor	you want to plant the potato, but you should get a doctorate in farming before
2022-11-24 15:57:12	Guest283734	bluetail: have used it poorly for 3 years
2022-11-24 15:57:42	jelle	kidnextdoor: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/File_permissions_and_attributes#Changing_ownership
2022-11-24 15:57:43	phrik	Title: File permissions and attributes - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-24 15:57:47	B-|	i'm a twisted cycle path
2022-11-24 15:57:54	kidnextdoor	thanks
2022-11-24 15:58:00	bluetail	lol
2022-11-24 15:58:01	susi	now that this came about, I think I'll set con_marks for my usual windows and make nice bindings to focus them
2022-11-24 15:58:10	bluetail	did your voice to text turn psychopath to cycle path?
2022-11-24 15:58:13	jelle	kidnextdoor: if you want recursive, use -R
2022-11-24 15:58:44	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-24 15:58:50	B-|	bluetail: no i used irony to tell a joke
2022-11-24 15:58:54	kidnextdoor	perfect thank you very much
2022-11-24 15:59:05	B-|	the jokebeing that someone had to point out my name change
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2022-11-24 15:59:48	ℹ 	elastic_1 es conocido ahora como elastic_dog
2022-11-24 15:59:48	B-|	*felt the need to
2022-11-24 15:59:54	◣	PMunch (~PMunch@user/pmunch) ha salido (Quit: Leaving)
2022-11-24 15:59:57	jelle	B-|: there is nothing funny here
2022-11-24 16:00:00	◣	lolok (~lolok@user/lolok) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-11-24 16:00:11	B-|	yeah very serious
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2022-11-24 16:00:26	ℹ 	B-| es conocido ahora como Guest3428432
2022-11-24 16:00:47	bluetail	sway works well, but I wouldnt recommend it anybody
2022-11-24 16:00:54	jelle	Guest3428432: keep up the childish behaviour and you'll earn a ban
2022-11-24 16:01:05	Guest3428432	damn
2022-11-24 16:01:10	ℹ 	Guest3428432 es conocido ahora como B-|
2022-11-24 16:01:15	B-|	come on
2022-11-24 16:01:39	Ennea	bluetail, why not? seems like a solid option from what i've heard. tiling window managers aren't for everybody, but that's not sway's fault ;)
2022-11-24 16:02:21	B-|	the mere existence of configurable window managers fills me with existential dread
2022-11-24 16:02:46	Ennea	i'm sure you'd hate awesomewm
2022-11-24 16:02:52	B-|	since i don't know if getting into them will be beneficial in any way
2022-11-24 16:03:00	B-|	 /joking
2022-11-24 16:03:02	bluetail	Ennea cause I use it wrong often. I have bandaids all over the place. Like, for instance, in sway theres no primary monitor but I need one for X. I have two monitors, one of which is in portrait mode so its 1920x1080 instead of 1080x1920... Thats how I know its the primary one. So I pass '	xrandr --output "$(xrandr | grep -E "XWAYLAND[0-9]" | grep
2022-11-24 16:03:02	bluetail	"1920x1080" | grep -o "XWAYLAND[0-9]")" --primary'
2022-11-24 16:03:10	B-|	Ennea: what's that?
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2022-11-24 16:03:32	Ennea	B-|, a "scriptable window manager" is what i've been told best describes it
2022-11-24 16:03:38	◣	laocid (~laocid@gateway/tor-sasl/laocid) ha salido (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2022-11-24 16:03:39	B-|	> for the X Window System
2022-11-24 16:03:47	B-|	not for me
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2022-11-24 16:04:47	MacGyver	kidnextdoor: Nobody is asking you to go and read *all* of the archwiki before typing anything. We're asking you to, hypothetically, read about how to use a spade to dig a hole rather than ask us to demonstrate.
2022-11-24 16:05:09	B-|	huh did i miss irc drama
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2022-11-24 16:09:40	MacGyver	kidnextdoor: You may not appreciate reading "lifeless websites". We don't appreciate having our time sucked up with questions that are literally the whole point of having the archwiki in the first place.
2022-11-24 16:09:40	B-|	kidnextdoor: you should have read all of archwiki starting with the installation guide
2022-11-24 16:09:40	bluetail	to kidnextdoor 's defense. The archwiki is a knowledge base, not a tutorial. I dont like it either. 
2022-11-24 16:09:40	kidnextdoor	bah, its ok, i cn change and i will try, my opint is that i dont feel better than anyone, i dont feel such a power user thats all, but my apologies, i shut up
2022-11-24 16:09:40	MacGyver	kidnextdoor: If you don't like reading, then you should *probably* not use arch.
2022-11-24 16:09:40	B-|	bluetail: was for me at least
2022-11-24 16:09:40	◣	andyrtr (~andyrtr@archlinux/developer/andyrtr) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-11-24 16:09:40	Koragg	do window managers in general produce an environment variable by which one can identify them? specifically what I want is to use slock but only when dwm goes idle for X minutes. I do not want it kicking in on any other window manager. how would I best accomplish it "knowing" which window manager I am currently using?
2022-11-24 16:09:40	bluetail	By the way, I'm a archinstall fan
2022-11-24 16:09:40	B-|	ew
2022-11-24 16:09:40	jelle	bluetail: arch wiki never advocated itself as tutorial, it's documentation
2022-11-24 16:09:40	Namarrgon	Koragg: no, there's no standard for that, just heuristics
2022-11-24 16:09:40	MacGyver	bluetail: But we're not a tutorial either, and the arch dynamic heavily leans on actually using the available documentation. If you know up-front that doesn't work for you, you probably don't *want* to use arch.
2022-11-24 16:09:40	lolok	re https://archlinux.org/mirrors/status/ how can a mirror be "Successfully Syncing" if its <100% complete? also, is it just the mirrors i like or are there more of them <100% than normal today for some reason?
2022-11-24 16:09:40	bluetail	MacGyver I like how Arch gets the bleeding edge. Once its established, I dont care about all the noise I needed initially
2022-11-24 16:09:40	MacGyver	There's other things you can do to learn-by-doing, by the way; a local linux users group might be open to this.
2022-11-24 16:09:40	MacGyver	But this IRC channel, isn't.
2022-11-24 16:09:40	B-|	local linux users group?
2022-11-24 16:09:40	bluetail	MacGyver yes, sway for instance! It has actual good documentation
2022-11-24 16:09:40	MacGyver	There's #archlinux-newbies, isn't there?
2022-11-24 16:09:40	Koragg	Namarrgon: I start my window manager or desktop environment via a display manager. my default is lightdm. can I have it start e.g. dwm up with an environment variable I make myself and can then (hopefully) make use of in scripting?
2022-11-24 16:09:40	bluetail	(nothings implied)
2022-11-24 16:09:40	MacGyver	B-|: It's a concept predating social media, back when it was quite a bit harder to find likeminded people.
2022-11-24 16:09:40	MacGyver	B-|: Basically, local clubs of people enthusiastic about Linux and open source.
2022-11-24 16:09:40	MacGyver	B-|: Somewhat akin to hackerspaces.
2022-11-24 16:09:40	B-|	if i wanted actual socialization i would not have booted a linux distro
2022-11-24 16:09:43	B-|	 /jokering
2022-11-24 16:09:44	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-11-24 16:09:44	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-11-24 16:09:44	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1458 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1457 normals)
2022-11-24 16:09:46	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-24 16:09:58	Edu4rdSHL	I think that it's going nowhere, why not move to offtopic tho.
2022-11-24 16:10:02	jelle	B-|: can you stop with the "jokes"
2022-11-24 16:10:37	Namarrgon	Koragg: in the case of dwm, since you had to build and patch it yourself anyway, you can make it export any envvar you want
2022-11-24 16:10:50	B-|	jelle: fine
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2022-11-24 16:11:17	Koragg	ah, that is good to know, how would I go about that, is there a guide on how to expose an environemnet vairable in C?
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2022-11-24 16:12:00	B-|	Koragg: what's your goal? different behavior between window managers?
2022-11-24 16:12:11	B-|	or knowing that a script is running in your window manager
2022-11-24 16:12:21	Namarrgon	Koragg: "man putenv" i guess
2022-11-24 16:12:45	Koragg	B-|: I want to use the suckless utility slock to lock the screen after X minutes of inactivity, but only if my window manager is dwm (for example)
2022-11-24 16:12:53	MacGyver	Koragg: Expose in C, as in *export* *from* C, or *read* *into* C?
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2022-11-24 16:12:59	Koragg	so yes, basically different behavior depending on the window manager used
2022-11-24 16:12:59	◣	coruja (~coruja@user/coruja) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2022-11-24 16:13:06	MacGyver	Ah, so export from.
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2022-11-24 16:13:27	MacGyver	Koragg: Actually, isn't that already populated for you as XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP?
2022-11-24 16:13:32	MacGyver	Koragg: May want to check.
2022-11-24 16:13:32	B-|	Koragg: slock works for x not just dwm
2022-11-24 16:13:52	B-|	why specifically dwm
2022-11-24 16:14:07	MacGyver	B-|: Presumably because other WMs / DEs have their own lock utilities.
2022-11-24 16:14:09	Koragg	because it is the standalone window manager I use the most frequently
2022-11-24 16:14:22	Koragg	and yup, kde already has its own lock util
2022-11-24 16:14:29	B-|	makes sense
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2022-11-24 16:14:41	Edu4rdSHL	!suckless
2022-11-24 16:14:42	phrik	worse is better^H^H^H^H^H^Hworse
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2022-11-24 16:14:51	Koragg	yup, I do not want to duplicate effects, only use a util like slock for one that lacks them
2022-11-24 16:15:01	B-|	but if you're considering modifying the code
2022-11-24 16:15:06	Koragg	MacGyver: that envvar exists in KDE for sure, I will check if also in other window managers(desktops
2022-11-24 16:15:08	jelle	Koragg: how do you autostart slock?
2022-11-24 16:15:27	Koragg	jelle: currently not at all, I wanted to check whether I could only have it autostart on certain window managers
2022-11-24 16:15:30	B-|	why not just start dwm like this IN_DWM='' dwm
2022-11-24 16:15:37	◣	martian67 (~martian67@user/martian67) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-11-24 16:15:43	jelle	Koragg: doesn't dwm have an auto start thingy?
2022-11-24 16:15:46	MacGyver	Koragg: Might I suggest rather than relying on env variables, simply spinning up xss-lock when you start dwm and tearing it down when exiting?
2022-11-24 16:15:50	Koragg	because my window manager (lightdm) starts my window manager
2022-11-24 16:16:00	susi	for thou i3 users, this might interest you: https://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#vim_like_marks
2022-11-24 16:16:01	phrik	Title: i3: i3 User’s Guide (at i3wm.org)
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2022-11-24 16:16:27	MacGyver	Koragg: I'm mainly thinking that it should be feasible to do this without adding code to dwm.
2022-11-24 16:16:29	Koragg	I could try to have it autostart with dwm yeah, I guess I was over-complicating things for myself
2022-11-24 16:16:40	B-|	i have wrappers in ~/PATH/overrides that call the binary with the same name down PATH
2022-11-24 16:16:47	Koragg	not coding would be easier, and I do have the autostart patch for dwm
2022-11-24 16:16:50	B-|	but i had to write a separate script for that
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2022-11-24 16:18:15	B-|	you could write a script that named dwm that calls DWM_ID=$$ /bin/dwm
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2022-11-24 16:18:45	B-|	lightwm or whatever would work the same
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2022-11-24 16:18:49	MacGyver	Koragg: And if XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP is populated in all DE's / WMs you use *except* the one you want to use slock in, well, you can use the absence of it to steer behaviour as well of course.
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2022-11-24 16:22:51	Koragg	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Slock#Lock_on_suspend <--- I see how I can use this with XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP, but how would I alter this script so it kicks in when X minutes of idle? instead of on suspend
2022-11-24 16:22:52	phrik	Title: Slock - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-24 16:23:28	Koragg	unfortunately slock has no way of being used after X minutes of idle, only activate it now or not :/
2022-11-24 16:24:03	lolok	probably it could be called by xscreensaver
2022-11-24 16:24:29	bluetail	I wonder what would happen if the archwiki had to comply with ADA and the upcoming WCAG 2.2
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2022-11-24 16:25:05	jelle	bluetail: it's mediawiki
2022-11-24 16:25:50	MacGyver	Koragg: xss-lock.
2022-11-24 16:25:50	bluetail	oh, the liability would fall to the platform, rather than its content?
2022-11-24 16:25:50	MacGyver	Koragg: You really want to use xss-lock here.
2022-11-24 16:25:59	B-|	Koragg: what if while sleep 5 && slock & wait $!; do :; done
2022-11-24 16:25:59	bluetail	I never thought about it this way
2022-11-24 16:26:03	MacGyver	Koragg: It handles all reasonable suspend and idle inputs the way you want.
2022-11-24 16:26:11	B-|	or nvm
2022-11-24 16:26:12	jelle	liability.. I think you use the wrong words here
2022-11-24 16:26:13	MacGyver	Koragg: Make *it* call slock.
2022-11-24 16:26:36	Koragg	it appears I do not have that installed yet, thank you, I will use xss-lock then to call slock, thanks a lot for that pointer
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2022-11-24 16:26:48	B-|	bluetail: what's ada and wcag
2022-11-24 16:27:20	B-|	Koragg: you can always lock manually
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2022-11-24 16:27:48	B-|	idk setting a 5 min timer makes little sense to me
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2022-11-24 16:37:22	Koragg	I also have i3lock installed, and I did compile slock from source myself, as I did with all suckless utils I use (or have at least)
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2022-11-24 16:39:58	lolok	the writer of xscreensaver has a long history of laughing at the security holes in other screen lockers https://www.jwz.org/blog/2021/01/i-told-you-so-2021-edition/ idk i like to run the fancy new software sometimes but if its gonna be a screen locker theres only 1 worth using imho
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2022-11-24 16:48:35	post-factum	the hell initramfses for 2 kernels do not fit into a 256M boot partition anymore?..
2022-11-24 16:49:02	MacGyver	lolok: binwalk is a python binary.
2022-11-24 16:49:05	MacGyver	Uh.
2022-11-24 16:49:08	MacGyver	python executable*
2022-11-24 16:49:14	MacGyver	Obv. not binary.
2022-11-24 16:49:27	Namarrgon	post-factum: disable the fallback images in the presets
2022-11-24 16:50:05	post-factum	Namarrgon: just did that, but previously everything was able to fit
2022-11-24 16:50:10	lolok	oh lol hes debugging binwalk
2022-11-24 16:50:25	lolok	that makes sense
2022-11-24 16:51:01	MacGyver	lolok: That's how I interpreted it.
2022-11-24 16:52:35	lolok	post-factum depending on your boot loader you may not need to keep the kernel and initramfs in the esp, /boot can usually be its own partiton, and sometimes can be in /
2022-11-24 16:52:57	post-factum	Namarrgon: that new `kms` hook bloats fallback initramfs excessively…
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2022-11-24 16:53:23	post-factum	lolok: /boot is already a separate partition for me
2022-11-24 16:53:31	Namarrgon	is that in the default HOOKS now?
2022-11-24 16:53:56	Namarrgon	for me it's mostly the usb and storage modules that blow the fallback images up
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2022-11-24 16:54:34	post-factum	yup, it is suggested in the new conf, so i added it. now removing back :)
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2022-11-24 16:56:08	MacGyver	lolok, h4rd3n3d: I'm surprised he still bothers, doesn't he have a nightclub to run?
2022-11-24 16:57:11	post-factum	i see
2022-11-24 16:57:44	post-factum	it seems that new installs will have to have 1G esp (if w/o separate /boot) to handle everything
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2022-11-24 17:00:04	lolok	if using archinstall puts the kernel and initfs in the esp, idk, could change that...
2022-11-24 17:00:21	MacGyver	h4rd3n3d: The image is basically that jwz at some point basically went "F* all this shit I'm gonna go do something *fun* with my life rather than be stuck in this toxic environment any longer"
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2022-11-24 17:02:05	lolok	he worked in the c-suite at netscape and got a golden parachute in the transition to mozilla, the club and programming are just for fun, the man doesnt need to work another day in his life
2022-11-24 17:03:09	MacGyver	Anyway I *should* probably see about switching to xscreensaver.
2022-11-24 17:03:23	MacGyver	It's not as though I'm married to i3lock.
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2022-11-24 17:04:13	lolok	lololololol
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2022-11-24 17:05:14	MacGyver	lolok: Re: archinstall putting kernel and initramfs on the ESP: does it install systemd-boot?
2022-11-24 17:05:25	MacGyver	lolok: Because if it does, that's because of a systemd-boot limitation.
2022-11-24 17:06:24	MacGyver	lolok: systemd-boot can't boot kernels from other (generic) partitions directly.
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2022-11-24 17:06:49	lolok	idk, never used archinstall, strange to even consider that 'the default initfs is getting too big for the default esp' would ever even be a problem in arch lol
2022-11-24 17:07:15	MacGyver	lolok: There's two ways around that, one involving an XBOOTLDR partition as /boot and one involving compiling the kernel as an EFI binary and then running it from the UEFI console automatically.
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2022-11-24 17:07:59	MacGyver	lolok: Oh that's actually a common and known issue.
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2022-11-24 17:08:16	MacGyver	lolok: "The default" ESP is usually either Windows' which is only 300 or so MiB, *if you're lucky*.
2022-11-24 17:08:33	MacGyver	lolok: Run 2 kernels with fallback initramfs's and that looks mighty small.
2022-11-24 17:08:49	lolok	its news to me :/ i never considered it sane to put the kernel in a fat32 partition
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2022-11-24 17:09:22	MacGyver	My thoughts on that are that whatever journaling ext4 is gonna do *isn't* going to help you in the cases that would corrupt your FAT32.
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2022-11-24 17:10:29	lolok	yea its still gonna suck but the difference is i can play in grub and get something to boot whereas otherwise id need to find a usb stick and hope it has a bootable iso and not random videogames on it
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2022-11-24 17:15:06	lolok	re https://archlinux.org/mirrors/status/ how can a mirror be "Successfully Syncing" if its <100% complete? are there more of them <100% than normal today? is having <100% a reasonable cause to change my mirrorlist?
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2022-11-24 17:17:43	Scimmia	lolok: see the top of the page or what 100% means
2022-11-24 17:17:50	Scimmia	s/or/for
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2022-11-24 17:19:29	MacGyver	Yeah honestly the next chance I have I'm considering making my ESP just 2GiB.
2022-11-24 17:19:46	MacGyver	So that it fits 2 kernels with fallbacks *and* an entire rescue system ISO.
2022-11-24 17:19:57	◣	nortega (~nortega@user/nortega) ha salido (Quit: God bless you!)
2022-11-24 17:20:02	mpan	lolok: also the service is not actually performing throrough tests, so a mirror may be out of sync in a complex way and still be listed as syncing.
2022-11-24 17:20:16	MacGyver	Though as I also mentioned then, I've now also found out how to boot EFI binaries *from elsewhere* so it's not *that* necessary anymore.
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2022-11-24 17:20:32	MacGyver	(You just boot into the UEFI shell and run the binary from there)
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2022-11-24 17:21:10	mpan	lolok: <OPINION> unless you see a mirror misbehave, whatever is on the status page is irrelevant. </OPINION> Note that not seing updates for a few days is a sign of misbehaving too.
2022-11-24 17:21:52	lolok	mpan Scimmia thanks im really bad with the pretty obvious stuff sometimes lol
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2022-11-24 17:23:02	MacGyver	h4rd3n3d, lolok: I really *like* Jamie, btw, he's always struck me as a likeminded individual.
2022-11-24 17:23:17	MacGyver	See e.g. https://www.jwz.org/blog/2021/01/i-told-you-so-2021-edition/#comment-214753
2022-11-24 17:23:25	phrik	Title: jwz: I told you so, 2021 edition (at www.jwz.org)
2022-11-24 17:23:29	MacGyver	Those parting words are words to live by.
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2022-11-24 17:27:44	lolok	lol - 'In summary, everything is terrible.' - yep
2022-11-24 17:28:07	Foxboron	MacGyver: I still need to visit his club
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2022-11-24 17:56:42	MacGyver	tatsumaru: And segment it from the rest of the network.
2022-11-24 18:01:09	tatsumaru	MacGyver: with a firewall?
2022-11-24 18:01:15	MacGyver	tatsumaru: At the very least.
2022-11-24 18:01:36	MacGyver	Ideally enforced at the router, s.t. no traffic *can* flow between the "home" network and the connection to the server.
2022-11-24 18:02:29	tatsumaru	MacGyver: what is usually the most vulnerable part of the system stack when things are implemented relatively adequately
2022-11-24 18:02:48	MacGyver	The things that are implemented relatively adequately.
2022-11-24 18:03:38	MacGyver	Do you want to host this app to the outside world or just to yourself?
2022-11-24 18:04:12	MacGyver	Because if it's the latter, just put nginx in front of it enforcing TLS client certificates and put those on your devices and you no longer need to worry beyond "Is the TLS implementation fine?"
2022-11-24 18:05:03	MacGyver	If it's the rest of the world, just make sure that *if* it's compromised it doesn't become a jumping off point to other devices, yours or others.
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2022-11-24 18:39:06	nortega	constant wreath absurd
2022-11-24 18:39:09	nortega	crap
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2022-11-24 18:40:53	susi	uh, I con_marked all my windows, and added easy-to-use keybindings to focus by con_mark.. no more switching workspaces and browsing focus with arrow keys, my life just got so much more efficient
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2022-11-24 18:43:22	evilpyro	Hello, I've been having a lot of problems with firefox. It freezes, its sometimes irresponsive, has windowing problems etc. I'm not sure if this is due to an update or a problem with gnome+firefox etc. Has anyone reported something similar?
2022-11-24 18:43:57	evilpyro	I did a factory reset on firefox and its still the same situation
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2022-11-24 18:44:41	evilpyro	sometimes closing and opening it again fixes the problem, but other times a desktop reboot was necesary
2022-11-24 18:45:11	susi	these problems with the newest repo firefox seem to be rather common, by the looks of this channel this last few days or a week
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2022-11-24 18:45:54	evilpyro	yeah, that matches the start of the problems perfectly
2022-11-24 18:45:56	susi	evilpyro: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1781167
2022-11-24 18:45:59	phrik	Title: 1781167 - Firefox window randomly freezes (at bugzilla.mozilla.org)
2022-11-24 18:46:26	susi	so, the fix is in Firefox nightly now
2022-11-24 18:46:43	susi	(or a probable fix, I do not have tried myself)
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2022-11-24 18:47:39	susi	though there seem to be a comment that the patch didn't actually fix it
2022-11-24 18:47:46	evilpyro	not gonna lie, I've been a firefox user since many many years ago, but I feel like I would have a better user experience with a chrome based browser
2022-11-24 18:47:54	susi	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1802229
2022-11-24 18:47:57	phrik	Title: 1802229 - Firefox window randomly freezes (at bugzilla.mozilla.org)
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2022-11-24 18:48:32	evilpyro	I haven't found how to reproduce the problem myself either
2022-11-24 18:48:33	susi	evilpyro: absolutely nope! things like these have made me put firefox in IgnorePkg, and I do upgrade it only 'manually' when I'm sure there won't be issues like this
2022-11-24 18:48:37	astralc	https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/z1pri7/libx11_1822_causes_firefox_107_to_freeze_under/
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2022-11-24 18:50:23	evilpyro	susi, I'm not sure what did firefox for me in the last few years. Adding bloat, embedding paid services, ads, instability... Yet it doesn't have tab groups etc
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2022-11-24 18:51:24	susi	evilpyro: you might be interested in: https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/
2022-11-24 18:51:42	susi	I'm using that and some other custom configuration, so that bloat does not occur even when upgrading
2022-11-24 18:52:33	susi	and now that ff user share is something like 3% it almost makes it inherently secure, since it's not worth the effort to develop hacks targeting firefox users.. or so I'd like to think myself :-)
2022-11-24 18:53:45	evilpyro	that is part of the problem, for some reason in the last few years I've found webapps that wont work with firefox, meanwhile chromium based get new features etc. I which chrome wan't full of telemetry and the alternatives were.. better
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2022-11-24 18:54:54	evilpyro	wish*
2022-11-24 18:54:59	evilpyro	wasn't*
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2022-11-24 18:55:49	susi	but we need to fight the Google monopoly on web
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2022-11-24 18:57:36	ℹ 	colo_ es conocido ahora como colo
2022-11-24 18:57:42	random-nick	there's ungoogled-chromium
2022-11-24 18:58:14	random-nick	but it's in the AUR which means you have to compile chromium...
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2022-11-24 19:00:12	susi	the death of firefox would still further adverse development paths, even with ungoogled-chromiums and such
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2022-11-24 20:55:59	susi	you can toggle floating with a key combo, or put a for_window directive in the config to float windows matching a criteria by default
2022-11-24 20:56:21	pulec	yeah I got no_focus [window_role="pop-up"] for example
2022-11-24 20:56:24	pulec	I am familiar with those roles
2022-11-24 20:56:56	pulec	and I know about enabling floating by hotkey but would that help in any way in steam?
2022-11-24 20:57:18	pulec	I'll guess it's probably time to try sway again
2022-11-24 20:59:02	pulec	(steam:16794): Gtk-WARNING **: 20:58:47.553: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "adwaita",
2022-11-24 20:59:11	pulec	perhaps this would satisfy it
2022-11-24 20:59:42	pulec	(steam:16794): Gtk-WARNING **: 20:58:58.917: gtk_disable_setlocale() must be called before gtk_init()
2022-11-24 20:59:45	pulec	don't care about this
2022-11-24 21:01:07	susi	I'd try running it floating and see if those problems persist
2022-11-24 21:05:26	pulec	susi: even if it did I hate floating, that can't be a solution
2022-11-24 21:06:45	pulec	oh oh https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Steam/Troubleshooting#Using_system_titlebar_and_frame
2022-11-24 21:06:47	phrik	Title: Steam/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-11-24 21:38:50	ploprof	Hello, I have been having some trouble with pipewire recently and was wondering whether anyone else is also experiencing this and perhaps has a fix, my journalctl gets filled with messages like these: "Nov 24 20:59:01 asgard pipewire[1692]: spa.audioadapter: 0x55cd5bb07b58: ready stopped node"
2022-11-24 21:39:31	ploprof	and sometimes my whole screen freezes up and I have to use a tty to restart pipewire and kill -9 any programs using it
2022-11-24 21:39:47	susi	I don't have any such messages in my journals
2022-11-24 21:40:08	susi	it really says 'ready stopped node'?
2022-11-24 21:40:16	ploprof	That's exactly what it says yes
2022-11-24 21:40:33	ploprof	I should also mention that i'm using easyeffects, but if I recall correctly this happens even when not using it
2022-11-24 21:40:41	ploprof	It happens most often when watching videos in librewolf
2022-11-24 21:40:54	CubeTheThird	are you using Arch?
2022-11-24 21:40:59	ploprof	Yes I anm
2022-11-24 21:41:04	susi	https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/issues/2771 this might be of some interest
2022-11-24 21:41:08	phrik	Title: Sound would randomly disappear (spa.audioadapter: scheduling stopped node) (#2771) · Issues · PipeWire / pipewire · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2022-11-24 21:41:17	CubeTheThird	what version of easyeffects are you on? iirc that was fixed in latest build
2022-11-24 21:43:06	ploprof	I'm using version 7.0.0
2022-11-24 21:44:13	ploprof	Probably really is a bug with easyeffects
2022-11-24 21:46:06	ploprof	yeah it is
2022-11-24 21:46:38	ploprof	I watched the output of journalctl, and when I start playing audio with easyeffects these messages show up and when I don't use easyeffects they don't
2022-11-24 21:48:29	tdworz	I use Pipewire and librewolf-bin heavily to watch videos and have not had any such errors. (I don't use easyeffects.)
2022-11-24 21:48:46	ploprof	yeah it must be easyeffects
2022-11-24 21:48:52	CubeTheThird	what filters are you using in easyeffects? I'm using it and no longer have the issue after update
2022-11-24 21:49:33	ploprof	I'm using a 10-band equalizer
2022-11-24 21:49:46	CubeTheThird	huh, same. Weird. You aren't clipping right?
2022-11-24 21:50:17	ploprof	nope
2022-11-24 21:50:40	ploprof	just having these random crashes, it's very annoying, i've been ignoring it for a while but i've really gotten annoyed now
2022-11-24 21:51:18	ploprof	I'm just watching a video and all of a sudden it freezes, audio stops and the only way to regain control is to go in a tty and restart pipewire, wireplumber and kill librewolf
2022-11-24 21:59:22	novns	pipewire is at the early stages of development
2022-11-24 21:59:29	novns	it has bugs
2022-11-24 21:59:48	ploprof	It's not really pipewire causing this though, it's easyeffects
2022-11-24 22:00:09	novns	and it doesn't work in some cases where pulseaudio is doing fine
2022-11-24 22:00:44	avg_tuxkart	is there a way to map a wacom tablet's buttons on a per app basis on linux? i specifically need it for xournal++
2022-11-24 22:16:14	jelle	novns: it's pretty stable tbh
2022-11-24 22:18:09	novns	jelle, I try it sometimes, it's getting better but it requires a lot of  troubleshooting
2022-11-24 22:18:32	novns	and PA just works as expected
2022-11-24 22:18:44	jelle	well stay then, but for the majority of distros it works fine
2022-11-24 22:19:11	novns	I have weird audio interfaces
2022-11-24 22:20:12	jelle	so you are the outliar :)
2022-11-24 22:20:19	jelle	bit weird to claim it's buggy then
2022-11-24 22:21:12	novns	m-audio delta 1010lt and an some USB focusrite scarlett 
2022-11-24 22:21:22	novns	s/an //
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2022-11-24 22:45:09	Impulsif	anyone having validating problem while upgrading lib32-gsm (required for proton)?
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2022-11-24 23:17:04	Ketchup901	my 100MB boot partition ran out of space when upgrading my system. is there anything I can do besides booting up a liveusb and resizing my partitions? It looks like it failed while creating initramfs-linux-fallback.img which is 52MB whereas initramfs-linux.img is only 10MB.
2022-11-24 23:19:35	tatsumaru	why do certain apps such as virtual machine manager require my root password rather than my sudo password to unlock?
2022-11-24 23:19:47	bougyman	That's bogus.
2022-11-24 23:19:49	bougyman	They shouldn't.
2022-11-24 23:20:00	bougyman	It's not a well written app, if it's asking for the root password..
2022-11-24 23:21:10	Ketchup901	don't they use gksu or whatever. gparted is the same
2022-11-24 23:24:50	tatsumaru	is it a bug?
2022-11-24 23:25:00	pulec	a feature I'm sure
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2022-11-25 00:26:35	Koragg	when I search for zfs-dkms it says it depends on zfs-utils=2.1.6  and dkms
2022-11-25 00:26:44	Ketchup901	looks like zfs-dkms is set to always depend on the same version of zfs-utils as itself
2022-11-25 00:26:47	Koragg	perhaps update your PKBGUILD from the AUR?
2022-11-25 00:26:56	Ketchup901	https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=zfs-dkms#n52
2022-11-25 00:26:57	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2022-11-25 00:48:20	bblinky	archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync.service loaded failed.. I guess thats bad?
2022-11-25 00:50:14	conr	ok re-cloned `zfs-utils` and `zfs-dkms` aurs so i can rebuild them without installing. couldn't do it any other way. 
2022-11-25 00:50:51	conr	still getting the same error. `error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies) :: installing zfs-utils (2.1.6-2) breaks dependency 'zfs-utils=2.1.5' required by zfs-dkms`
2022-11-25 00:51:04	Ketchup901	with what command?
2022-11-25 00:51:14	conr	`makepkg -i`
2022-11-25 00:51:30	conr	`makepkg -i zfs-utils`
2022-11-25 00:51:32	Ketchup901	well remember you cannot install it lol
2022-11-25 00:51:40	Ketchup901	that's why you're doing this
2022-11-25 00:51:41	conr	oh snap
2022-11-25 00:52:31	conr	ok but `sudo pacman -U zfs-utils` gets me the error `error: 'zfs-utils': could not find or read package`
2022-11-25 00:52:53	Ketchup901	you need to give it the .pkg.tar.zst file as an argument
2022-11-25 00:52:58	Ketchup901	which you get by using makepkg
2022-11-25 00:54:11	Ketchup901	build both zfs-utils and zfs-dkms, then give both pkg files as arguments to pacman -U
2022-11-25 00:54:12	conr	same error as the 1st one
2022-11-25 00:54:41	Scimmia	what's 'the 1st one'?
2022-11-25 00:55:11	Scimmia	bblinky: eh. As long as you update regularily, it's of little use
2022-11-25 00:55:59	bblinky	eh, I update dayly actually
2022-11-25 00:56:10	conr	yay that worked!
2022-11-25 00:57:02	conr	rebooting to see if zpool loads up
2022-11-25 00:57:16	Scimmia	bblinky: that service only helps with errors related to outdate keys, or the unlikely situation where a key is present but not trusted and sigs were added later
2022-11-25 00:57:43	Scimmia	it's not a bad thing, but not critical by any means
2022-11-25 00:58:27	bblinky	Oh, and it actually started when I tried to start it :)
2022-11-25 00:58:35	bblinky	(go figure ;p)
2022-11-25 00:59:02	bblinky	Now I just have one failed service left, dnsmasq
2022-11-25 01:00:05	conr	ok zpools back up. thanks all. i need to get off zfs for nas storage
2022-11-25 01:02:35	conr	should i just use ext4 for everything?
2022-11-25 01:03:09	Ketchup901	ext4 is certainly the easiest
2022-11-25 01:03:42	Ketchup901	just reduce the number of reserved blocks so you're not sacrificing 5% of your filesystem
2022-11-25 01:03:47	Ketchup901	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Ext4#Reserved_blocks
2022-11-25 01:03:48	phrik	Title: Ext4 - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-11-25 01:18:04	bblinky	Ketchup901: Nice, that just gave me 10G extra on my /home
2022-11-25 01:18:04	bblinky	thx
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2022-11-25 01:37:42	MarioHJ	lenovo had two power options: disable quick charge, which i did as charging with higher amperes heats the battery more and damages it
2022-11-25 01:38:08	MarioHJ	and another one called conservation mode, that lets the battery only charge to 65% capacity. supposedly helps with lifespan
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2022-11-25 02:23:54	bblinky	MarioHJ: Maybe try asking in #linux, there seem to be a bit more activity in there atm
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2022-11-25 02:50:09	mpan	thrice: a replaceable battery is still additional cost and waste production. Though I doubt that 65% is a specific level to aim at, and not something around 90%.
2022-11-25 02:54:43	rcf	mpan: 65 is closer to ideal. 
2022-11-25 02:56:22	mpan	hmm
2022-11-25 02:56:40	rcf	Though it’s all pedantic anyway. If this is a serious concern, will the person use the battery enough to notice?
2022-11-25 02:57:25	mpan	With smartphones I would dismiss that, as most people destroy/replace them before the battery even has a chance to get wrecked. But with laptops that actually happens.
2022-11-25 03:03:07	topcat001	Check if the firmware supports it. For example on Dell you can set limits (e.g. 60-80%)
2022-11-25 03:03:38	topcat001	Dell also has a Linux commandline utility which can set this from inside Linux
2022-11-25 03:03:51	MarioHJ	rcf right now my battery is 100% should i let it discharge a bit, so it hits the 65% mark and stays there?
2022-11-25 03:04:19	MarioHJ	is it a problem staying at 100%, or discharging to 99% and back to 100% continuously?
2022-11-25 03:05:00	topcat001	The Li ion lattice gets stressed at constant high SOC (state of charge) and will degrade faster
2022-11-25 03:05:07	topcat001	heat makes it worse of course
2022-11-25 03:05:16	heat	not my fault
2022-11-25 03:05:25	topcat001	omg sorry heat
2022-11-25 03:05:29	topcat001	:)
2022-11-25 03:05:31	mpan	MarioHJ: yes, the problem is charging, not merely having energy stored.
2022-11-25 03:05:31	heat	:(((
2022-11-25 03:06:03	topcat001	also deep discharge collapses the lattice and causes permanent damage
2022-11-25 03:07:15	MarioHJ	topcat001 so you mean just having maximum energy stored damages it
2022-11-25 03:07:37	MarioHJ	even if i dont continously discharge it to about 98% and back to 100
2022-11-25 03:08:27	MarioHJ	(i usually dont care that much but those builtin batteries when degraded bloat up and deform the laptop, also hard to remove as they baloon up, and will have to get it to someone that has experience removing them)
2022-11-25 03:11:50	MarioHJ	h4rd3n3d is it still deformed after replacing the battery?
2022-11-25 03:13:52	thrice	mpan: I guess.  3 batteries on a laptop is hardly "normal" though
2022-11-25 03:14:49	MarioHJ	h4rd3n3d you couldn't tell it was about to be deformed earlier?
2022-11-25 03:16:23	MarioHJ	yeah you have to monitor its capacity from a utility maybe
2022-11-25 03:16:25	topcat001	MarioHJ: yes (tl;dr). For more details see: https://batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-808-how-to-prolong-lithium-based-batteries
2022-11-25 03:16:27	phrik	Title: BU-808: How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries - Battery University (at batteryuniversity.com)
2022-11-25 03:17:30	topcat001	although deep discharge and Heat are much much worse than 100% charge.
2022-11-25 03:18:27	MarioHJ	random question, if i install gnome shell on arch does it come with wayland + pipewire or i have to set those up manually? also is plymouth set by gnome de or i have to set it too? (or whatever ubuntu uses and completely hides systemd boot messages but displays hp or lenovo logo)
2022-11-25 03:20:10	another|	arch doesn't configure anything for you
2022-11-25 03:20:13	thingfish	you'll have to install xorg or wayland, but installing GNOME should bring in audio.
2022-11-25 03:20:31	thingfish	well, no should.  It does.
2022-11-25 03:20:31	MarioHJ	gnome pulls a lot of stuff, thats why i asked
2022-11-25 03:20:58	thrice	probably pulseaudio by default - install pipewire-pulse if you want the replacement
2022-11-25 03:21:23	MarioHJ	ok thanks. also havent been on arch for quite some years. are system breakages during pacman upgrades often?
2022-11-25 03:21:46	MarioHJ	if so i might setup btrfs snapshots and select them from grub or something to rollback
2022-11-25 03:22:03	MarioHJ	otherwise i go ext4
2022-11-25 03:22:04	topcat001	generally I'd advise opening the bottom cover every 1-2 yrs (to clean) and checking if the battery is beginning to look like a "pillow" and if it does replace it right away.
2022-11-25 03:22:07	thingfish	I have been using Arch for 2 years solid and only once have I seen a "breakage" during or because of upgrading.
2022-11-25 03:22:32	MarioHJ	thingfish was it related to using aur?
2022-11-25 03:22:35	thingfish	no
2022-11-25 03:23:11	MarioHJ	topcat001 i will try to use some battery monitoring utility, see how much capacity it holds max and compare to the initial state to see when its time to change it
2022-11-25 03:23:27	MarioHJ	i think it rapidly accelerates to the bloated state after a point
2022-11-25 03:24:27	MarioHJ	this new laptop comes with windows 11. i am thinking how i would update bios on linux, lenovo seems to release its utilities on windows only
2022-11-25 03:25:20	thingfish	that's unfortunate.
2022-11-25 03:25:51	MarioHJ	i saw a guide on unpacking the exe that holds the bios and putting in a folder for uefi to pick up
2022-11-25 03:25:55	MarioHJ	or something similar
2022-11-25 03:26:01	MarioHJ	never tried it though
2022-11-25 03:26:05	topcat001	MarioHJ: use upower; it reports statistics directly from the battery (or you could directly cat the /sys/class/power_supply/ files from a simple script)
2022-11-25 03:26:26	topcat001	acpi -i also works
2022-11-25 03:26:56	MarioHJ	topcat001 i am usually an i3/sway user but i think i am gonna need most tools gnome ships with, for fingerprint, login, bluetooth, battery etc
2022-11-25 03:26:58	another|	MarioHJ: Lenovo publishes some Firmware on LVFS
2022-11-25 03:27:24	topcat001	Dell now published updates through fwupd :) but they also ship a usb bootable updater.
2022-11-25 03:27:33	another|	there's also iso images for at least my model
2022-11-25 03:27:53	topcat001	MarioHJ: I'm on i3 rn :)
2022-11-25 03:28:37	topcat001	I though Lenovo can be updated through Linux or standalone usb boot, right?
2022-11-25 03:29:02	MarioHJ	i will look into the usb updater
2022-11-25 03:29:08	topcat001	needing windows for updates is totally unacceptable :|
2022-11-25 03:29:26	MarioHJ	is there any other firmware that installs outside of the OS?
2022-11-25 03:29:30	MarioHJ	besides bios
2022-11-25 03:29:55	thrice	cpu, perhaps
2022-11-25 03:30:11	MarioHJ	microcode is used as a module on linux
2022-11-25 03:30:20	thrice	wut
2022-11-25 03:30:21	topcat001	My experience is very Dell centric, sorry. I get Dell from work and my personal machines are mostly old hand-me-downs from work...
2022-11-25 03:31:13	topcat001	the Dell updater runs several updates for various firmware components; it displays a list/progress report during an update.
2022-11-25 03:31:31	MarioHJ	i destroyed my previous laptop with gentoo by the way, changed fan 3 times, heat i think also weakened the plastics and the screen hinges came off :D
2022-11-25 03:31:54	MarioHJ	now with this builtin battery i am afraid to use it :D
2022-11-25 03:32:26	topcat001	Ohh I finally got tired of building FF/chrome on Gentoo. I was originally a Gentoo user.
2022-11-25 03:33:08	topcat001	believe it or not I have "used" LFS for a while as well
2022-11-25 03:33:32	topcat001	but now I'm too old and comfy in Arch :)
2022-11-25 03:35:11	MarioHJ	topcat001 haven't tried LFS yet, but i wouldn't use it, unless i got a package manager for it
2022-11-25 03:35:36	topcat001	Anyway, generally the firmware updater will bundle any available ucode updates as well. After I did an update on this laptop, the ucode early update boot message disappeared.
2022-11-25 03:36:27	MarioHJ	topcat001 if you have a threadripper or something that wouldn't be a problem, along with ccache. but on a laptop with slow cpu and bad heat dissipation was foolish of me to try. just wanted a minimal system without systemd :(
2022-11-25 03:36:29	topcat001	I checked the Intel ucode binary against the ucode driver reported version (in dmesg/journal) and they match.
2022-11-25 03:36:57	topcat001	(you can decode the intel ucode binary and figure out which version it has)
2022-11-25 03:37:15	MarioHJ	i found a lenovo updater usb utility too but its for thinkpads only i think. although i found an article that they use fwupdate cli to update the bios
2022-11-25 03:37:42	topcat001	I found ccache is often completely invalidated between chrome updates, but it does help rebuilds
2022-11-25 03:38:05	topcat001	I did some bugfixing in chrome C++ code and then ccache came in handy
2022-11-25 03:38:26	MarioHJ	topcat001 thats unfortunate
2022-11-25 03:38:49	topcat001	cacache is very hit or miss :) (no pun intended)
2022-11-25 03:39:10	kiflalover	where to put manual compiles and app images? 
2022-11-25 03:39:29	another|	wherever you want?
2022-11-25 03:39:48	MarioHJ	usually its /opt for system wide or .local/bin for user apps
2022-11-25 03:39:56	topcat001	app images as in flatpak or something else?
2022-11-25 03:40:21	topcat001	since we are using arch we should PKGBUILD any manual compiles
2022-11-25 03:40:39	kiflalover	and if /opt, what about user:group ?
2022-11-25 03:41:06	topcat001	kiflalover: consider writing a PKGBUILD and let pacman install/manage it?
2022-11-25 03:41:21	kiflalover	REdis, manual install of php and httpd
2022-11-25 03:41:40	MarioHJ	you can probably find those on aur
2022-11-25 03:41:46	SponiX	there are already packages for those
2022-11-25 03:43:02	kiflalover	trying to get away from a bad habit where i put optionally programs in ~/.opt/ What is the danger? I mean there are binarieas floating around in .asdf .cargo .nvm
2022-11-25 03:43:45	kiflalover	a manual Redis install should not be in a package
2022-11-25 03:46:09	kiflalover	okay. packages are up to date. But thats not what im asking
2022-11-25 03:47:22	kiflalover	in theory packman could handle everything. But it doesnt
2022-11-25 03:51:26	ectospasm	If you wrap manual, non-repository packages in a PKGBUILD, pacaman can manage it.
2022-11-25 03:51:32	ectospasm	That's basically the AUR in a nutshell
2022-11-25 03:56:45	topcat001	not just in theory, therefore :)
2022-11-25 03:57:10	negen	when using kde should it be required or reconmended to use a systemd timer to start sddm ? 
2022-11-25 03:57:58	ectospasm	Why have a DM on a timer?  I don't understand why that would be necessary.
2022-11-25 03:58:00	topcat001	generally if any install is going to write things as root, then don't do it
2022-11-25 03:58:28	negen	well it seems to start too fast without the timer 
2022-11-25 03:58:45	topcat001	what does too fast mean
2022-11-25 03:58:50	ectospasm	You'd just want a regular service unit, with appropriate After= and Wants= entries.
2022-11-25 03:59:15	negen	i get only a black screeen but can switch to tty2 and start sddm just find but after setting it up on a timmer set for 2 seconds it also seems to start just fine
2022-11-25 03:59:29	ectospasm	There's a dependency there you're missing.
2022-11-25 03:59:38	ectospasm	I don't know what it is, but that's likely what's happening.
2022-11-25 03:59:42	topcat001	negen: perhaps you want early kms?
2022-11-25 04:00:10	topcat001	this is during bootup correct?
2022-11-25 04:00:24	negen	i have early loading of the video drivers I am not sure what caused it to stop working 
2022-11-25 04:00:30	negen	yes during boot 
2022-11-25 04:00:55	topcat001	then that is the real problem
2022-11-25 04:01:47	topcat001	delaying sddm is a workaround - assuming I don't know about some issue since I don't run a DM myself.
2022-11-25 04:02:37	topcat001	negen: what is your gpu setup?
2022-11-25 04:03:07	negen	3090ti non free dkms drivers from stable branch 
2022-11-25 04:03:47	topcat001	also what does the journal say from sddm's initial failed startup attempt?
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2022-11-25 04:23:02	negen	this is my understanding  /opt is just an optional directory from my understanding similar or same use as /usr/local  
2022-11-25 04:23:29	topcat001	https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs/ch03s13.html
2022-11-25 04:23:30	phrik	Title: 3.13. /opt : Add-on application software packages (at refspecs.linuxfoundation.org)
2022-11-25 04:24:12	kiflalover	great! its beginning to make sense now :)
2022-11-25 04:24:17	topcat001	still, untracked and no control
2022-11-25 04:26:44	kiflalover	i sometimes softlink from my homefolder, to make a program accessable systemwide. For ex ln -s /home/user/.bin/hx /bin. is that a bad practise?
2022-11-25 04:26:45	Scimmia	anymore /opt is a dumping ground for things that don't fit into the normal /usr/{bin,lib,share} setup
2022-11-25 04:27:32	doc	Hi, first reboot after fresh install and I'm getting stuck at "starting systemd-udevd ...".  Anyone know how I can proceed?
2022-11-25 04:29:46	kiflalover	thank you for the help 'untracked and no control". /opt is the wild west folder
2022-11-25 04:31:02	negen	doc you can probably chroot into your system and fix whats broken probably missed something 
2022-11-25 04:31:05	topcat001	negen: it very much looks like early kms is not working for you
2022-11-25 04:31:38	doc	The question is what am I to fix really :)
2022-11-25 04:31:46	topcat001	please double check https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#Early_loading
2022-11-25 04:31:47	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-25 04:34:43	topcat001	doc which kernel?
2022-11-25 04:35:18	doc	I installed both the linux and linux-lts package, so whatever is current in those. Same result when choosing either
2022-11-25 04:35:45	topcat001	ok. computer model?
2022-11-25 04:35:55	doc	Asus Zephyrus G14
2022-11-25 04:36:00	doc	2022 model
2022-11-25 04:36:16	doc	AMD GPU and CPU
2022-11-25 04:36:51	topcat001	any peripherals connected? If so try removing them.
2022-11-25 04:37:40	doc	only had a usb hub for ethernet. No change after unplugged
2022-11-25 04:43:51	negen	of thanks topcat001 i changed the order and double checked some things i will test now see ya 
2022-11-25 04:44:47	topcat001	negen: good luck
2022-11-25 04:45:42	topcat001	doc: can you try a full power off and then power on? might not help
2022-11-25 04:46:16	doc	that's what I've been doing
2022-11-25 04:47:00	topcat001	interesting since the iso booted fine, hmmm
2022-11-25 04:47:43	breijz	doc: did you by chance use archinstall? personally ive haven't had the best experience with it, and since its udevd (which if i recall is related to hard disks) it could be archinstall having messed up?
2022-11-25 04:48:14	doc	Nope, I followed this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPLnBPM4DhI
2022-11-25 04:48:43	topcat001	ohhhh
2022-11-25 04:48:48	doc	uh oh
2022-11-25 04:48:58	topcat001	youtube guides will be the death of us :)
2022-11-25 04:49:02	thingfish	I don't know about that guy.
2022-11-25 04:49:03	breijz	one year ago? perhaps installation steps changed a bit
2022-11-25 04:49:10	doc	:)
2022-11-25 04:49:21	breijz	or just poorly made installation guide, either or
2022-11-25 04:49:44	topcat001	well then I have no idea what state the system is in. Please try the full manual setup or at least archinstall.
2022-11-25 04:50:29	negen	thanks topcat001 its working proper now i moved the nvidia lines to right after f2fs I never knew order mattered 
2022-11-25 04:50:41	topcat001	\o/ nice
2022-11-25 04:50:53	topcat001	doc: is this true blue Arch Linux?
2022-11-25 04:51:08	topcat001	as in not a spinoff
2022-11-25 04:51:23	doc	it is
2022-11-25 04:51:33	topcat001	ok good
2022-11-25 04:51:52	topcat001	yeah sorry out of ideas but I'd do the install again
2022-11-25 04:54:57	throstur	ugh what am I doing, did I just do a partial upgrade... whoops
2022-11-25 04:55:11	throstur	ah, saved by old mirrors
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2022-11-25 05:21:13	negen	topcat001: it seems that nvidia as a kernel paramater has been removed since sometime around october 2021 should the wiki be updated or something ? 
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2022-11-25 15:40:13	tonitch	Hello, I'm trying to install olive the video editor. but the olive aur package is outdated so I tried installing olive-git. but the install doesn't work. as it is the aur I checked the pkgbuild file and found out that it's not his fault... the problem is that it requires opentimelineio (which is an official package that's why I ask here) and opentimelineio is installed on my computer. but it is
2022-11-25 15:40:13	tonitch	lacking 
2022-11-25 15:40:19	tonitch	any.hpp file witch it seems to be a dependency of opentimlineio witch is not a package of archlinux... (it seems to be built by cmake). the problem is that any.hpp is not on my system. so I don't really know if this my bad or if this is a bug. and if this is a bug, is it because of the opentimelineio project, the opentimelineio package maintainer, or the olive-git maintainer ? I kinda don't want
2022-11-25 15:40:19	tonitch	to 
2022-11-25 15:40:25	tonitch	post on 3 different place as I don't really know these project ^^
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2022-11-25 15:47:25	imp	Hello. Don't know if this is related with arch at all. I'm running a updated (less than 1 hour) version of archlinux, In Gnome GUI, when I press the menu button to type the name of the program I want to execute, the first key I press is ALWAYS doubled. For example If I type firefox, it will write instead `ffirefox` . This ONLY happens in the first letter and in the menu, no matter which is the
2022-11-25 15:47:25	imp	first key pressed. This behavior do not happe
2022-11-25 15:47:25	bcrumb	Does anyone know whether it is fine to use --link-dest for rsync when running the command: rsync -aAXHv ... ?
2022-11-25 15:47:27	imp	n in any other situation. (as I'm typing this long sentence). Anyone already saw this issue?
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2022-11-25 15:48:16	masterchef777	yeah gnome sucks cock lately even more than usual
2022-11-25 15:48:34	masterchef777	i remember i had the same issue when i ran gnome a while ago so its nothing new
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2022-11-25 15:50:21	imp	masterchef777: I really like gnome interface, still preparing myself to go to i3wm, since I prefer not touch in the mouse most of the time. Except for internet browsing. And yes, this is VERY annoyng.
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2022-11-25 15:51:07	fruity_tomato	xfce or bust
2022-11-25 15:51:14	masterchef777	imp: nah tiling wms are overkill i wouldnt use them, ive been using xfce and i still find it the best
2022-11-25 15:51:17	masterchef777	but i found this
2022-11-25 15:51:19	masterchef777	https://forum.manjaro.org/t/first-character-appears-twice-in-activities-overview/125636
2022-11-25 15:51:21	phrik	Title: First character appears twice in Activities Overview - Gnome - Manjaro Linux Forum (at forum.manjaro.org)
2022-11-25 15:51:33	fruity_tomato	is that link actually working?
2022-11-25 15:51:34	⚡ 	fruity_tomato grins
2022-11-25 15:51:36	imp	masterchef777: thanks.
2022-11-25 15:51:57	vasuvi	VirtualBox is complaining that VT-x is disabled, but I verified that it is indeed enabled, both in the UEFI firmware interface and using msr-tools.  Any idea what I can do to make VirtualBox work?
2022-11-25 15:52:13	fruity_tomato	are you fully updated
2022-11-25 15:52:24	imp	dash-to-dock.. indeed I use this.
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2022-11-25 15:52:42	imp	thanks
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2022-11-25 15:57:03	imp	Second issue: firefox hanging very often. I think that is related to playing mp4 videos (as youtube), anyone else had this issue? 
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2022-11-25 16:01:12	brjl	imp: xorg or wayland?
2022-11-25 16:01:17	opt1mus	imp: have you monitored chrome's CPU & mem usage?
2022-11-25 16:01:33	imp	afaik xorg. lemme check.
2022-11-25 16:02:03	imp	opt1mus: chrome? you meant firefox. No havent monitored usage. Will do.
2022-11-25 16:02:24	opt1mus	imp: sorry yes Fx
2022-11-25 16:02:43	imp	brjl:   and yes. Xorg.
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2022-11-25 16:03:14	mpan	tonitch: skimming over the sources, I would say Olive tries to use some unmentioned third party library that provides `::std::any` equivalent. It does not expect that *from* OpenTimelineIO, but *for* OpenTimelineIO. Since the PKGBUILD maintainer on AUR is already notified, and *in my opinion* the issue doesn’t relate to Arch, I would ask Olive maintainers for comments.
2022-11-25 16:04:24	tonitch	mhh... but there is a file called any.h in opentimeline.io that #include "any/any.hpp"... isn't it opentimeline's fault then ? (just asking not arguing there)
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2022-11-25 16:05:44	jdarnley	oh fuck you firefox!  I can't copy a mailto link anymore?
2022-11-25 16:06:19	jdarnley	... maybe I never could
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2022-11-25 16:06:47	mpan	tonitch: and it seems that <any/any.hpp> is supposed to come from some unmentioned dependency, I guess (probably a shim for `::std::any`; they even used <any> directly in the past). But since it’s Olive that for whatever reason tries to deal with other package’s dependencies, I would first poke them.
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2022-11-25 16:07:32	tonitch	okay thanks :D I discussed a bit with commu on their discord but I will make an issue on the github. maybe they can help me
2022-11-25 16:08:53	jdarnley	bug reports are depressing https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=520300
2022-11-25 16:08:55	phrik	Title: 520300 - Restore "Copy Link Location" on mailto: link context menu (at bugzilla.mozilla.org)
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2022-11-25 16:10:25	opt1mus	jdarnley: there was/is(?) a browser extension for that
2022-11-25 16:10:35	jdarnley	beats me
2022-11-25 16:10:35	mpan	tonitch: if that’s a missing dependency for OpenTimelineIO on Arch’s side (which of course can be!), it of course would require intervention from Arch maintainers. But for whatever reason Olive tries to deal with that themselves, so that hints me something else may be at play.
2022-11-25 16:11:03	jdarnley	I can get it from the page source (or inspector) so I'm not SOL
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2022-11-25 16:11:38	mpan	tonitch: also note that there has been two bug reports regarding the opentimelineio package in Arch, exactly caused by Olive searching for C++ files in that location. Both are resolved now.
2022-11-25 16:12:05	mpan	tonitch: see <https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/71895> and <https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/72331>.
2022-11-25 16:12:06	phrik	Title: FS#71895 : [opentimelineio] PKGBUILD does not pack C++ bindings (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-11-25 16:12:27	jdarnley	Oh I also have to correct the URL encoding of the @ character
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2022-11-25 16:12:48	tonitch	okay, I will check that! I was just intriged because of this file in opentimeline https://github.com/AcademySoftwareFoundation/OpenTimelineIO/blob/fb0b86dbb3f79b759d1272a95c2c61fd300dcb0f/src/opentimelineio/any.h
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2022-11-25 16:13:04	tonitch	as my error is https://paste.rs/03c
2022-11-25 16:13:41	mpan	Also do not read my comment as blaming Olive. Just they may know a bit more about the situation, considering that they try to handle it specially and by themselves.
2022-11-25 16:13:41	tonitch	that's why I'm searching before posting an issue anywhere :D but if you think I should search on olive side. I will !
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2022-11-25 16:24:22	mpan	tonitch: why can’t you use the non-git version, BTW?
2022-11-25 16:24:53	mpan	Since -git are not expected to be stable or even unconditionally buildable, the latest stable release seems like a saner choice.
2022-11-25 16:25:12	tonitch	it's olive 0.1 and it's bugged. but olive won't support it anymore since they develop 0.2 now. I flagged it out of date
2022-11-25 16:25:34	mpan	But it’s not out of date. It’s the latest official release. Olive works on 0.2, but did not release it yet.
2022-11-25 16:25:43	tonitch	I just found that there is bin anyway and this installed correctly.. so I'm using this now. (I should have checked before)
2022-11-25 16:25:48	mpan	ok
2022-11-25 16:26:21	mpan	So I assume it’s solved. Though you may still poke Olive about the issue, as that may be some API change in OpenTimelineIO they are not yet aware of.
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2022-11-25 16:27:30	tonitch	mpan: yes, I will poke them, (next week as I have to go see my familly for the week end) but I definitelly not fully understand the problem here so I will try to be as explicit as I can ^^
2022-11-25 16:28:18	tonitch	the is there an history of the #archlinux's irc ? I have my znc but I'm pretty sure next week the cache will be renewed ^^
2022-11-25 16:28:22	tonitch	tho*
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2022-11-25 16:30:48	mpan	tonitch: no, no public logging is done. And Libera policies discourage that too.
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2022-11-25 16:54:54	tonitch	mpan: okay thanks, I'll see next week
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2022-11-25 18:53:57	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1438 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1437 normals)
2022-11-25 18:53:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-11-25 18:55:54	SysGhost	What is "Simple" really? Simple as in as little user interaction as possible? or: Lacking everything keeping the system itself very simple, but cumbersome to maintain?
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2022-11-25 19:07:36	marcopolo1_	@grawity: i didnt typo, i just did rmdir and mkdir etc/systemd/network/20-en.network [match] name=en* [network] DHCP =ipv4
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2022-11-25 19:23:11	nvrhome	Anyone have experience with Perl-SDL? Seeing issues with a game that depends on it
2022-11-25 19:26:12	Edu4rdSHL	!give nvrhome anyone
2022-11-25 19:26:13	phrik	nvrhome: Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
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2022-11-25 19:28:03	brjl	TIL there's SDL Perl.
2022-11-25 19:31:30	luto	Does anyone know of tools to distribute package updates to a fleet of machines? e.g. I've got 300 boxes running arch and would like to ensure that the same versions are on all of them, manually test updates before rolling them out, give a subset of machines early-bird access to updates, etc. Kind of like redhat satellite.
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2022-11-25 19:32:15	nvrhome	phrik: I have it installed, through AUR. I did try installing through CPAN but it hangs forever on one of the video tests.
2022-11-25 19:32:15	phrik	nvrhome: BLEEP BLOOP
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2022-11-25 19:32:33	nvrhome	Anyway, let me share the quick output from the game
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2022-11-25 19:32:55	luto	bonus question: anyone else looking for that kind of thing (unsuccessfully) and interested in making it happen?
2022-11-25 19:32:55	nvrhome	Whats the best way to share output without spamming the feed?
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2022-11-25 19:33:15	luto	!paste
2022-11-25 19:33:15	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-11-25 19:33:25	luto	nvrhome: ^ one of those
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2022-11-25 19:33:59	lairnc	I have `workspace $ws6 output HDMI-2` in my .i3 config, and for some reason it outputs workspace 4 instead of 6th
2022-11-25 19:34:45	alad	$ws6 is a variable, check it actually points to workspace 6
2022-11-25 19:34:54	astralc	luto: can't you create a repo that all the machine use?
2022-11-25 19:35:33	lairnc	yes, it does
2022-11-25 19:35:34	nvrhome	Thanks http://ix.io/4gRd
2022-11-25 19:35:35	alad	luto: use archive.archlinux.org and point it to a fixed date
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2022-11-25 19:36:59	nvrhome	Maybe I need to backtrace what is failing to dlload
2022-11-25 19:37:12	nvrhome	Its an old linux game, frozen-bubble
2022-11-25 19:37:50	nvrhome	But I dont think its related to the game, just an internal issue with Perl loading the Events.so
2022-11-25 19:37:54	luto	alad: so basically use something like that as Server= config plus maybe a caching proxy so the archive.archlinux.org admins don't get mad at me?  https://archive.archlinux.org/repos/2022/08/08/$repo/os/$arch
2022-11-25 19:38:23	alad	sounds good
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2022-11-25 19:39:39	luto	ah, the code to roll your own is public. Do you happen to know if that repo is up-to-date? https://github.com/seblu/archivetools
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2022-11-25 19:42:48	baltazar	hi! on current arch, who is supposed to create mkinitcpio presets?
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2022-11-25 19:44:45	Edu4rdSHL	Who?
2022-11-25 19:44:57	Scimmia	the kernel package
2022-11-25 19:45:18	baltazar	Scimmia: that doesn't appear to be the case though
2022-11-25 19:45:26	Edu4rdSHL	It's the case.
2022-11-25 19:45:53	Scimmia	or was it the mkinitcpio package when the kenrel package is installed?
2022-11-25 19:45:55	◣	Aryan (Aryan@user/aryan) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-11-25 19:45:59	nvrhome	phrik: what do you think?
2022-11-25 19:45:59	phrik	nvrhome: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
2022-11-25 19:46:09	jelle	baltazar: what is the issue?
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2022-11-25 19:46:21	nvrhome	phrik: Hehe hmmm
2022-11-25 19:46:21	phrik	nvrhome: Is that a question?
2022-11-25 19:46:42	baltazar	jelle: I'm just trying to sync some changes over to archlinuxarm's packages
2022-11-25 19:46:50	jelle	aha
2022-11-25 19:47:03	nvrhome	I'm thinking of bribes
2022-11-25 19:47:04	baltazar	over there they're indeed owned by the kernel package
2022-11-25 19:47:09	Edu4rdSHL	nvrhome, ph-rik is a bot
2022-11-25 19:47:23	nvrhome	Oops, sounded so real
2022-11-25 19:47:56	Scimmia	baltazar: https://github.com/archlinux/mkinitcpio/blob/master/libalpm/scripts/mkinitcpio
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2022-11-25 19:49:10	baltazar	Scimmia: ah, indeed. thanks!
2022-11-25 19:49:16	⚡ 	nvrhome slowly hides
2022-11-25 19:49:32	Scimmia	triggered by the kernel package, but not from the kernel package
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2022-11-25 20:08:23	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1448 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1447 normals)
2022-11-25 20:08:25	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-11-25 20:09:45	astralc	susi: I also don't have "copy url" for mailto, only copy email address
2022-11-25 20:09:55	astralc	maybe you have extension for it?
2022-11-25 20:10:36	⚡ 	jdarnley needs to check in a clean pofile
2022-11-25 20:11:10	susi	hey, actually yes, Skip Redirect addon might add that
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2022-11-25 20:13:21	susi	but I never knew it does that, nor installed it for that reason. nice bonus :)
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2022-11-25 20:19:58	jdarnley	clean profile, no option
2022-11-25 20:20:02	jdarnley	thanks anyway
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2022-11-25 20:21:20	susi	just unclean it with uBO, uMatrix, LocalCDN, Skip Redirect, Privacy-Oriented Origin Policy, Dark Reader, which are all must-haves
2022-11-25 20:21:39	throstur	the only must-have is disable javascript
2022-11-25 20:21:44	throstur	everything else is sugar on top
2022-11-25 20:22:13	throstur	Evil Code Made Accessible script
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2022-11-25 20:48:44	ℹ 	egl es conocido ahora como lple
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2022-11-25 20:54:21	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-11-25 20:54:22	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1450 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1449 normals)
2022-11-25 20:54:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-25 20:54:39	ℹ 	lple es conocido ahora como eagle
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2022-11-25 20:59:06	martti	uhh. what is /etc/acpi/handler.sh and why is it spamming my journal with - and I'm not sure how long I haven't noticed that - whenever I press my arrow keys?
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2022-11-25 21:00:00	Edu4rdSHL	martti, that's part of the acpid package.
2022-11-25 21:00:12	Edu4rdSHL	> A daemon for delivering ACPI power management events with netlink support
2022-11-25 21:00:42	MrElendig	which you probably don't need
2022-11-25 21:00:52	Edu4rdSHL	As what it does is deliver events, it makes sense that produces some noise.
2022-11-25 21:01:00	Edu4rdSHL	And, as mentioned you probably doesn't need it.
2022-11-25 21:01:24	martti	...okay. how do my arrow keys come into play, though?
2022-11-25 21:01:30	MrElendig	powerd and friends have mostly taken over these days
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2022-11-25 21:05:28	jmcantrell	powerd?
2022-11-25 21:05:58	martti	now that's just... https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Acpid#Disabling_ordinary_key_events someone will accidently caught gaming by someone browsing their journal on prometheus
2022-11-25 21:06:00	phrik	Title: acpid - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-25 21:06:23	martti	*get caught
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2022-11-25 21:08:51	martti	thanks for the hint, I wiped it and scorched the lot where it used to be. :)
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2022-11-25 21:27:44	ℹ 	SQL es conocido ahora como O|||||||O
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2022-11-25 21:29:10	ℹ 	andyrtr_ es conocido ahora como andyrtr
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2022-11-25 21:37:48	Pound_Hash	Is there any way to break the LS_COLORS variable assignment across multiple lines: `export LS_COLORS="fi=00;30:di=00;34:ln=04;30:pi=04;30:so=04;30:do=04;30:bd=03;30:cd=03;30:or=00;31:ex=01;30:st=03;34:tw=03;34:su=00;30:sg=00;30:mi=00;31:"`
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2022-11-25 21:38:09	MrElendig	\
2022-11-25 21:38:19	Pound_Hash	I tried that
2022-11-25 21:38:19	MrElendig	and yes its horrible
2022-11-25 21:38:32	MrElendig	it works in most shells
2022-11-25 21:38:43	Pound_Hash	I guess the next line after `\` must not be indented, right?
2022-11-25 21:38:52	tirnanog	Pound_Hash: printf -v LS_COLORS 'part1' 'part2' 'part3'; export LS_COLORS
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2022-11-25 21:39:13	Pound_Hash	oh, that's an interesting idea
2022-11-25 21:39:14	MrElendig	can also use dircolors instead
2022-11-25 21:39:34	martti	well technically you could filter out newlines or replace them with colons and source them from a here document. or if it's just another line, I've done x="${x} and more" in the past :)
2022-11-25 21:39:46	MrElendig	instead of setting it yourself by hand*
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2022-11-25 21:40:00	tirnanog	Pound_Hash: the \ is for the purpose of escaping an _immediately_ following newline character. if you can't stomach that, another approach would be to put the parts in an array, then join them with: printf -v LS_COLORS %s "${parts[@]}". also, I meant to include %s in the prior example.
2022-11-25 21:40:12	tirnanog	using ana rray would make it bash-specific though.
2022-11-25 21:40:20	tirnanog	mind you, print -v is also bash.
2022-11-25 21:40:32	Pound_Hash	zsh can do that too
2022-11-25 21:40:39	tirnanog	I'm sure it can.
2022-11-25 21:40:48	Pound_Hash	I'll give it a try
2022-11-25 21:40:54	Pound_Hash	thanks
2022-11-25 21:42:28	tirnanog	Pound_Hash: https://termbin.com/hu0c
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2022-11-25 21:43:45	ℹ 	andyrtr_ es conocido ahora como andyrtr
2022-11-25 21:44:07	Pound_Hash	nice
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2022-11-25 21:47:24	tirnanog	you might even be able to use '%s;'
2022-11-25 21:47:44	marcopolo1_	Do you need to be a software engineer to install arch linux
2022-11-25 21:48:50	slim	marcopolo1_: nope, being literate and able to follow instructions should be sufficient
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2022-11-25 21:51:13	teraflops	this is more a sysadmin task than software engineer task marcopolo1_ 
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2022-11-25 21:55:07	marcopolo1_	To build an os ?
2022-11-25 21:55:24	ℹ 	andyrtr_ es conocido ahora como andyrtr
2022-11-25 21:56:02	astralc	'build'?
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2022-11-25 21:58:21	chazy	isn't there a display manager that does support wayland?
2022-11-25 21:58:31	teraflops	GDM?
2022-11-25 21:58:35	MrElendig	chazy: sddm (in git) and gdm
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2022-11-26 16:50:09	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-11-26 16:50:09	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1455 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1454 normals)
2022-11-26 16:50:10	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-26 16:50:35	chazy	hmm if the key file is in the esp/grub partition, how do i tell grub to get the key? do i still need to specify the UUID fs type and path to the file?
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2022-11-26 16:50:59	Namarrgon	are you not following the dmcrypt guide on the wiki?
2022-11-26 16:51:06	chazy	yes but it doesn't say
2022-11-26 16:51:45	chazy	it says this: cryptkey=/dev/disk/by-id/disk-ID-of-sdc:0:64
2022-11-26 16:51:53	chazy	but how do i specify the path and file name?
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2022-11-26 16:52:51	astralc	which guide are you reading?
2022-11-26 16:52:53	Namarrgon	it assumes you didn't format that "disk"
2022-11-26 16:53:26	Namarrgon	0:64 is the range of bytes that contain your key
2022-11-26 16:54:05	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/System_configuration#Kernel_parameters
2022-11-26 16:54:06	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/System configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-26 16:54:14	chazy	in another install i have grub in /boot and esp in /efi, since /boot is ext4 i use the UUID and fs type and it works, but since the install guide says now to have them in the same partition, when i run grub from the shell and select the arch linux option it says invalid file system type vfat, should i try with fat?
2022-11-26 16:56:21	astralc	maybe you need to add vfat to mkinitcpio modules
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2022-11-26 16:56:43	Scimmia	chazy: trying to run before you can walk. You need to understand the normal boot process before going this way
2022-11-26 16:56:44	chazy	that could be it
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2022-11-26 17:05:19	chazy	ok i can boot just fine from the efi shell
2022-11-26 17:05:34	chazy	could it be that my laptop doesn't support booting from a gpt drive?
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2022-11-26 17:20:04	astralc	I doubt it.... 
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2022-11-26 17:21:08	chazy	looks like it's the usb drive, i connected it to a desktop computer and it doesn't recognize a boot entry either, but efi shell runs grub just fine
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2022-11-26 17:21:35	Namarrgon	did you install grub to the default loader path?
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2022-11-26 17:21:50	Scimmia	boot entries are stored on the motherboard
2022-11-26 17:21:50	Namarrgon	the uefi entries are stored on the mainboard, not on the disk
2022-11-26 17:22:26	chazy	if you mean --removable yes
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2022-11-26 17:22:40	chazy	grub is installed to EFI/BOOT/BOOTx64.
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2022-11-26 17:22:55	Namarrgon	that's the wrong file
2022-11-26 17:23:12	chazy	ik, i don't remember the name
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2022-11-26 17:23:36	Namarrgon	then there was no point spelling it out
2022-11-26 17:23:44	Namarrgon	post the fdisk -l output
2022-11-26 17:24:11	chazy	what i find weird now is that the usb boot drive i use for my workstation which i use to boot every day, doesn't work in the laptop
2022-11-26 17:24:36	chazy	ok lemme boot it rq and ssh into it
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2022-11-26 17:28:59	chazy	Namarrgon: https://gist.github.com/ChazyTheBest/13abeabf3cd59138edf5f8da13cd2126
2022-11-26 17:29:43	chazy	sda is the drive i want to use for booting, and sdb the arch iso
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2022-11-26 17:31:21	Namarrgon	"fdisk -l"
2022-11-26 17:31:32	chazy	my bad lol
2022-11-26 17:31:55	chazy	Namarrgon: updated gist
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2022-11-26 17:32:44	nl6720	Disklabel type: dos
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2022-11-26 17:33:07	chazy	nl6720: yes, but that's the arch iso image
2022-11-26 17:33:13	nl6720	oops
2022-11-26 17:33:50	chazy	at this point i'm willing to make the boot drive dos too...
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2022-11-26 17:34:21	chazy	but if it should work with gpt i'd like to know where's the problem
2022-11-26 17:34:40	Namarrgon	mount the filesystems and post the lsblk -f output
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2022-11-26 17:35:15	chazy	Namarrgon: https://gist.github.com/ChazyTheBest/06056073281bf201741ef6b69badfce4
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2022-11-26 17:37:52	Namarrgon	"tree /mnt/boot"
2022-11-26 17:38:31	⚡ 	nl6720 wonders if the iso has tree
2022-11-26 17:39:02	chazy	Namarrgon: https://gist.github.com/ChazyTheBest/1323d1c419d6e71d14e7a1701ccabcfa
2022-11-26 17:39:11	chazy	nl6720: it doesn't
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2022-11-26 17:40:36	Namarrgon	copy BOOTX64.EFI to /mnt/boot/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi and try again
2022-11-26 17:41:38	epic	i am trying to set up remote unlocking of my zfs root - I can see the wiki tip (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ZFS#Remote_unlocking_of_ZFS_encrypted_root) but this does not mention a paired kernel parameters - it seems that my system is somehow trying to mount the zfs root before the zfsencryptssh module is loaded, then fails
2022-11-26 17:41:40	phrik	Title: ZFS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-11-26 17:46:58	chazy	Namarrgon: it works now...
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2022-11-26 18:16:08	kora9	What types of software do people use to reverse engineer drivers? For example, if there's a control panel on Windows that sets a few things on a USB Hardware device, what software would you use to "listen in" on the communication the software has with the device?
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2022-11-26 18:16:34	jelle	kora9: wireshark
2022-11-26 18:16:49	kora9	jelle: wireshark works for USB comm monitoring on Windows?
2022-11-26 18:16:57	jelle	kora9: iirc yes
2022-11-26 18:16:58	ℹ 	phetam_ es conocido ahora como phetam
2022-11-26 18:17:02	kora9	I had no idea! Thanks
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2022-11-26 18:23:14	ldiamond	My system hanged during pacman -Syu and I had to kill the process
2022-11-26 18:23:24	ldiamond	It was running the post-install, is there a way to force rerun that?
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2022-11-26 18:24:50	Scimmia	reinstall all of the packages involved
2022-11-26 18:25:33	gehidore	hopefully listed in the pacman.log
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2022-11-26 18:38:29	ℹ 	finn_elija es conocido ahora como FinnElija
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2022-11-26 18:39:49	ldiamond	Yea it's all in the logs
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2022-11-26 18:39:59	ldiamond	Doing a reinstall of everything
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2022-11-26 18:42:21	ldiamond	the system was freezing when systemd was reinstalling.
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2022-11-26 18:43:32	ldiamond	I suppose a big downside of doing a reinstall like that is that every dependencies that were being installed are now packages I actually installed.
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2022-11-26 18:45:40	Scimmia	no, the installation reason doesn't change when reinstalling a packzge
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2022-11-26 18:46:29	ldiamond	Oh nice.
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2022-11-26 18:46:50	ldiamond	rebooting now. Worst case I'll just restore the btrfs snapshot from before.
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2022-11-26 18:53:58	grawity	chazy: that doesn't prevent you from using LUKS on the container
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2022-11-26 19:03:13	zander	does anyone know how to solve this issue I see in pacman;
2022-11-26 19:03:19	zander	downloading required keys...
2022-11-26 19:03:21	zander	:: Import PGP key 6D42BDD116E0068F, "Christian Hesse <eworm@archlinux.org>"? [Y/n] 
2022-11-26 19:03:22	zander	error: key "6D42BDD116E0068F" could not be imported
2022-11-26 19:03:24	zander	error: required key missing from keyring
2022-11-26 19:03:36	Scimmia	update your system more than once a year?
2022-11-26 19:03:37	grawity	upgrade archlinux-keyring first
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2022-11-26 19:03:47	Scimmia	eworm signed the keyring, so they can't update it
2022-11-26 19:04:12	grawity	._.
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2022-11-26 19:04:26	zander	The response is from reinstalling archlinux-keyring
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2022-11-26 19:05:05	Namarrgon	you can -U it from the cache, with all the downsides...
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2022-11-26 19:06:14	Scimmia	zander: just how old is this? When was the last time you updated? There's other major issues you could run into
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2022-11-26 19:06:41	zander	I had Qt6.4 and I wanted 6.4.1,  so I can't be too long. Maybe 2 montsh?
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2022-11-26 19:07:06	Scimmia	there's no way you should get that after 2 months. It would take more like 2 years
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2022-11-26 19:07:30	Scimmia	so maybe you ran into something else. Try resetting pacman's keyring completely
2022-11-26 19:07:34	zander	Strangely, the -Syu went just fine. But now I can't install anything new, so I tried to reinstall the keyring, only to get that error.
2022-11-26 19:07:45	zander	resetting sounds good, any hints?
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2022-11-26 19:08:11	Scimmia	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Resetting_all_the_keys
2022-11-26 19:08:13	phrik	Title: pacman/Package signing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-26 19:08:21	zander	thanks, will try
2022-11-26 19:08:34	Scimmia	I wonder if you hit the wkd timer issue
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2022-11-26 19:09:54	Scimmia	See https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/76580
2022-11-26 19:09:55	phrik	Title: FS#76580 : [pacman][archlinux-keyring] archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync corrupted my keyring (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-11-26 19:10:26	zander	Scimmia: resetting solved the issue for me. Thanks!
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2022-11-26 20:14:24	susi	I have VerbosePkgLists set, but the pacman still does not show sizes/deltas but for the whole total operation; is there anything to do about this, I'd like to know where are the extra 150M's coming from
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2022-11-26 20:14:24	MrElendig	susi: expac and compare sizes
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2022-11-26 20:14:24	susi	yeah, let's do it that way.. would be nice if pacman could show the information for -Syu targets
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2022-11-26 20:18:26	susi	hmm, https://0x0.st/oUDk.png this is surprising...
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2022-11-26 20:19:20	susi	or confusing, I mean
2022-11-26 20:20:03	bblinky	Is it possible to make it so that instead of choosing a WM at the DM login screen different users just have a speciffik VM associated to them?
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2022-11-26 20:22:52	bblinky	f.eks. I always want to use i3 but I think it might make more sense to use xfce or lxde or the likes on the guest user
2022-11-26 20:23:22	susi	is that some corruption on my side or how could linux-zen-headers be 0,00 M in size before the operation :o
2022-11-26 20:23:24	MrElendig	susi: pacman -Syu does show net size per item too iirc
2022-11-26 20:23:34	MrElendig	unless your terminal isn't wide enough
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2022-11-26 20:24:45	bblinky	I use lightdm btw
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2022-11-26 20:25:14	MrElendig	bblinky: switch to gdm, it remembers per user
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2022-11-26 20:25:35	MrElendig	or write a custom greeter for lightdm that does it
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2022-11-26 20:26:29	bblinky	k, thx
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2022-11-26 20:27:01	susi	I have not used lightdm for some time now, but I think that could be configured into lightdm.conf too
2022-11-26 20:27:11	susi	defaults for users and guest
2022-11-26 20:27:18	susi	I mean, iirc
2022-11-26 20:27:34	⚡ 	MrElendig would use a non-persistent vm for guest users
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2022-11-26 20:29:55	susi	or at least for guest
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2022-11-26 20:53:00	bblinky	kewl
2022-11-26 20:53:41	bblinky	it would also be wonderful if I could find some documentation on what I can put in slick-greeter.conf
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2022-11-26 20:56:08	bblinky	nvm
2022-11-26 20:56:17	bblinky	Found that on their github
2022-11-26 20:56:24	bblinky	Was just googleing badly
2022-11-26 20:56:28	junimoqueen	was about to link that ^^
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2022-11-26 20:58:32	bblinky	Ooohh, play ready sound
2022-11-26 20:58:36	bblinky	hehe
2022-11-26 20:59:13	bblinky	Do any of you know where the login sound for arch install iso is located?
2022-11-26 20:59:38	bblinky	(sounds like oldschool gameboy on sound)
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2022-11-26 21:03:39	bblinky	Also, what kind of ungodly clock format might this be?? %l:%M %p
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2022-11-26 21:05:09	MrElendig	zsh man page explains the format
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2022-11-26 21:13:58	Mathisen	what am i doing wrong here.... im trying to add myself into the docker group  running >> sudo usermod -aG docker mathisen  
2022-11-26 21:14:06	Mathisen	but when listing groups im not in there
2022-11-26 21:14:23	astralc	did you log out and log in again?
2022-11-26 21:14:30	Mathisen	no :)
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2022-11-26 21:14:57	MrElendig	and consider podman instead
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2022-11-26 21:15:08	Mathisen	podman ?
2022-11-26 21:15:19	MrElendig	yes
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2022-11-26 21:15:54	Mathisen	ahh i googled. im forced to docker in this case
2022-11-26 21:17:14	MrElendig	pointy haired boss?
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2022-11-26 21:29:30	astralc	pointy haired boss will also say 'why is you text editor is not containerized yet'
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2022-11-26 21:29:53	[7666]	consider a bloody vm
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2022-11-26 21:44:19	MrElendig	astralc: have you heard about our lord and saviour fleet?
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2022-11-28 19:47:31	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-11-28 19:48:47	teraflops	oops
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2022-11-28 19:53:57	ℹ 	Tema establecido por alad (alad@archlinux/op/alad) el jue, 28 jul 2022 19:12:50
2022-11-28 19:53:57	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1472 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1471 normals)
2022-11-28 19:53:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-11-28 19:54:00	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-11-28 19:54:00	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-11-28 20:01:17	chazy	is the double ExecStart a copy paste error or intended? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Getty#Automatic_login_to_virtual_console
2022-11-28 20:01:18	phrik	Title: getty - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-11-28 20:02:34	thurstylark	chazy: it's intentional. Check the systemd.service manpage for ExecStart= usage for explanation
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2022-11-28 20:19:34	chazy	shouldn't this work? https://gist.github.com/ChazyTheBest/e098e2c2c8b44e9839fa2c8dff1856f7
2022-11-28 20:19:48	chazy	i get a blinking cursor, something's wrong
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2022-11-28 20:20:51	chazy	i get automatic login without ExecStartPost, but shouldn't ExecStartPost run the command after login?
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2022-11-28 20:21:45	thurstylark	is the command in ExecStart= still running?
2022-11-28 20:22:00	thurstylark	because if it is, ExecStartPost= won't fire
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2022-11-28 20:23:09	thurstylark	"ExecStartPost= commands are only run after the commands specified in ExecStart= have been invoked successfully, as determined by Type= ... (i.e. ... the last ExecStart= process exited successfully for Type=oneshot)"
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2022-11-28 20:26:35	tatsumaru	hello guys, I think there's some issue with my 'ls' program. when I do 'ls' I get an empty line as output.
2022-11-28 20:26:47	jelle	tatsumaru: have you aliased ls?
2022-11-28 20:27:09	tatsumaru	jelle: not that I am aware of
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2022-11-28 20:27:19	teraflops	\ls
2022-11-28 20:27:36	thurstylark	or `alias` to list all aliases
2022-11-28 20:28:04	tatsumaru	thurstylark: 'alias ls='ls --color=auto''
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2022-11-28 20:28:26	jelle	tatsumaru: did you remove the directory you are currently in? :)
2022-11-28 20:28:44	chazy	thurstylark: yeah i thought about that too but what about the blinking cursor?
2022-11-28 20:28:56	thurstylark	chazy: what about it?
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2022-11-28 20:29:17	tatsumaru	jelle: no, 'dir' still works
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2022-11-28 20:30:08	tatsumaru	jelle: looks like ls will display files, but not directories
2022-11-28 20:30:09	astralc	`unalias ls` the `ls`
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2022-11-28 20:30:19	jelle	tatsumaru: huh?
2022-11-28 20:30:25	chazy	thurstylark: without ExecStartPost i get logged in to the tty and i can run commands, but with it there's a blinking cursor as if it's running it
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2022-11-28 20:31:25	teraflops	tatsumaru: did you run \ls to see if that makes any difference?
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2022-11-28 20:32:53	tatsumaru	teraflops: yeah sorry forgot to reply. it did made a difference. '\ls' did return a list of the directories. also astralc suggestion to 'unalias ls' seems to work however I no longer have color highlighting of directories.
2022-11-28 20:33:33	teraflops	because \ ignores the alias
2022-11-28 20:33:44	astralc	and unalias remove the alias
2022-11-28 20:33:59	tatsumaru	i suspect something messed with my ls settings
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2022-11-28 20:34:42	tatsumaru	is there a way to restore the default arch settings for ls?
2022-11-28 20:34:48	astralc	maybe your color settings are wrong?
2022-11-28 20:35:30	teraflops	are you using dircolors
2022-11-28 20:35:35	teraflops	?
2022-11-28 20:36:03	⚡ 	jelle should switch to exa to eradicate dircolors
2022-11-28 20:36:17	tatsumaru	teraflops: I am not familiar with that command. ls used to highlight dir names in blue by default when I installed arch.
2022-11-28 20:36:49	astralc	if you copy when it is aliased, does it copy anything?
2022-11-28 20:36:50	teraflops	the command is dircolors and you the file is ~/.dir_colors
2022-11-28 20:37:36	tatsumaru	astralc: not sure what you mean
2022-11-28 20:37:59	astralc	reopen the shell, type ls, try to copy the line to text editor
2022-11-28 20:39:18	astralc	also, the alias is the default (from /etc/skel/.bashrc)
2022-11-28 20:39:21	tatsumaru	astralc: just so you know after I reopened the shell and typed 'ls' I got a very weird output. I think the 'unalias' command lost its effect.
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2022-11-28 20:39:39	astralc	yes, aliases are only set in the opened shel
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2022-11-28 20:40:14	thurstylark	chazy: I'm not able to find an answer, but I figure this is probably because it's kind of a weird way to go about what you're trying to do here
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2022-11-28 20:41:20	thurstylark	I would have used greetd or a DM for this, for instance
2022-11-28 20:41:28	astralc	did you copy the 'empty' line?
2022-11-28 20:41:45	tatsumaru	astralc: I found something interesting, installing the 'anaconda' package had modified my .bashrc significantly. I deleted .bashrc and now ls works as expected (except for the coloring of dir names).
2022-11-28 20:42:16	jelle	tatsumaru: installing or running?
2022-11-28 20:42:16	astralc	`cp /etc/skel/.bashrc ~/.bashrc`
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2022-11-28 20:42:56	tatsumaru	astralc: now the formatting is messed up again.
2022-11-28 20:43:11	astralc	after the copying?
2022-11-28 20:43:31	astralc	this is the default file....
2022-11-28 20:43:35	tatsumaru	jelle: I am not sure, I think I authorized the anaconda installer to do something to initialize anaconda which added a script to my bashrc to manage environments etc.
2022-11-28 20:43:40	tatsumaru	astralc: yes after the copying
2022-11-28 20:43:46	jelle	ok
2022-11-28 20:44:13	astralc	did you checked dircolors as teraflops asked?
2022-11-28 20:44:56	tatsumaru	astralc: yes this is the output: https://paste.rs/w0z.bash
2022-11-28 20:45:14	astralc	also check ~/.bash_profile
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2022-11-28 20:45:37	teraflops	or set -x then ls
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2022-11-28 20:46:20	tatsumaru	teraflops: "++ printf '\033]0;%s@%s:%s\007' tatsumaru gohda '~'"
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2022-11-28 20:47:38	astralc	(and then ls)
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2022-11-28 20:48:23	tatsumaru	astralc: 'set x' and 'ls' makes no difference
2022-11-28 20:49:07	astralc	but it should write which command it run (+ ......)
2022-11-28 20:49:50	tatsumaru	sorry my bad I typed 'set x' instead of 'set -x'
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2022-11-30 12:43:03	brokenlap	Hi there.
2022-11-30 12:45:01	brokenlap	My laptop completely broke. So I got a new one. Both thinkpads...Broken one is t580 new one is t470 I think... both has m2 ssd disks... now I tried to switch from broken to new one. Unfortunatelly new laptop recognizes hard drive only inside bios but  there is nothing after I select hard drive during boot. My ssd is luks encrypted. Do I have to
2022-11-30 12:45:01	brokenlap	reinstall grub since it's completely new motherboard?
2022-11-30 12:45:23	brokenlap	Any advice appreciated. Did my installation 5 years ago so I'm a bit lost here
2022-11-30 12:45:48	bluetail	can you give me advice on how you break them?
2022-11-30 12:46:05	bluetail	still sitting on the same thinkpad for years since its still working :D
2022-11-30 12:46:23	brokenlap	Not sure. When I turn it on I hear very mellow wizz for a second then silence for 5 seconds, and only power, esc and caps lock leds blink every 5 seconds
2022-11-30 12:46:53	bluetail	I had that when using the wrong power supply
2022-11-30 12:47:30	bluetail	funnily the unit charges with usb c as long as it is 65w or more
2022-11-30 12:48:10	bluetail	brokenlap could also be poor power. do u happen to live in the US?
2022-11-30 12:49:03	bluetail	thinking of voltage spikes or so that are not covered by your electrical installation or so. idk
2022-11-30 12:49:27	bluetail	I heard electrical installations are more laid-back and less strict in the US
2022-11-30 12:50:08	brokenlap	I removed both batteries
2022-11-30 12:50:11	brokenlap	Did not turn on
2022-11-30 12:50:19	brokenlap	Both batteris full...
2022-11-30 12:50:48	brokenlap	It's a work lap so I don't really care too much. But now I would like to just swap m2 ssd's and had my previous setup
2022-11-30 12:51:21	brokenlap	But apperantly something is not working since no grub is shown no prompt for password  when grub would have to load is shown... to decrypt luks
2022-11-30 12:52:00	bluetail	that kinda sounds like you missed to turn off secure boot
2022-11-30 12:52:25	bluetail	cause otherwise u might want to sign everything (trollface)
2022-11-30 12:52:39	bluetail	what was it called...
2022-11-30 12:53:13	bluetail	nevermind, I dont remember
2022-11-30 12:53:20	bluetail	but fedora and ubuntu have it by default
2022-11-30 12:53:54	bluetail	yea, if secureboot is on, you might be unable to boot from a secureboot protected laptop
2022-11-30 12:54:06	brokenlap	I haveny swap disks actually but IT guy told me that info
2022-11-30 12:54:12	brokenlap	I said to him, I will try myself...
2022-11-30 12:54:15	GuiToris	dmcrypt is a very linux specific thing, right? If I have a flashdrive encrypted with dmcrypt, will I be able to use it with an android device?
2022-11-30 12:54:54	bluetail	brokenlap do u need the data currently on the disk?
2022-11-30 12:55:17	brokenlap	bluetail most likely :)
2022-11-30 12:55:29	brokenlap	bluetail if you are asking the data on broken laptop
2022-11-30 12:55:47	bluetail	brokenlap what about booting from fedora or ubuntu
2022-11-30 12:56:05	brokenlap	U mean live usb?
2022-11-30 12:56:07	bluetail	ye
2022-11-30 12:56:10	bluetail	it should work
2022-11-30 12:56:13	brokenlap	On borken laptop?
2022-11-30 12:56:23	bluetail	whatever works for u man
2022-11-30 12:56:24	brokenlap	Broken laptop wont get to the bio screen at all...
2022-11-30 12:56:36	brokenlap	Well I would like to use my existing setup on a new laptop
2022-11-30 12:56:44	bluetail	oooh
2022-11-30 12:56:55	brokenlap	it's similar hardware
2022-11-30 12:57:01	brokenlap	Should just work afaik
2022-11-30 12:57:08	bluetail	possibly
2022-11-30 12:57:23	brokenlap	For one reason it's not getting to the grub
2022-11-30 12:57:30	brokenlap	What could be the reason for that?
2022-11-30 12:57:38	bluetail	secureboot turned on
2022-11-30 12:57:39	bluetail	?
2022-11-30 12:57:41	brokenlap	Hm
2022-11-30 12:57:52	brokenlap	Will try myself in 1h30min
2022-11-30 12:57:55	bluetail	if yes, you need a special mok
2022-11-30 12:58:04	brokenlap	Special mok?
2022-11-30 12:58:08	bluetail	machine only key
2022-11-30 12:58:16	brokenlap	Please do tell more
2022-11-30 12:59:07	bluetail	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface/Secure_Boot
2022-11-30 12:59:08	phrik	Title: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface/Secure Boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-30 12:59:22	bluetail	I'd rather not.
2022-11-30 12:59:26	bluetail	It's a rabbit hole
2022-11-30 12:59:34	bluetail	its way easier to disable secureboot if you can
2022-11-30 13:08:59	brokenlap	bluetail I will first disable secure boot
2022-11-30 13:22:09	brokenlap	Ok maybe IT guy didn't actually disable secure boot. After I've disabled it windows didni't boot and said I have secure boot disabled...
2022-11-30 13:22:20	brokenlap	Just thinking out loud
2022-11-30 13:22:29	brokenlap	If after secure boot disabled, I still won't be able to enter grub...
2022-11-30 13:22:32	brokenlap	What are my options?
2022-11-30 13:23:13	MrElendig	 backup any important data as the first step
2022-11-30 13:23:56	bluetail	yea, with secure boot disabled you can now boot into several recovery boot iso's and so on
2022-11-30 13:24:36	bluetail	I think u can also re-apply grub2...
2022-11-30 13:25:06	brokenlap	Any instructions on that with full ecryptted luks ssd?
2022-11-30 13:25:13	bluetail	yea, with secureboot on you may require to sign stuffs under arch... kernel modules and the likes
2022-11-30 13:25:35	bluetail	brokenlap I mean, the wiki is not a tutorial :|
2022-11-30 13:26:08	bluetail	(thing is, you usually turn secureboot off, then sign stuffs and then turn it back on to see if it works)
2022-11-30 13:26:14	bluetail	it honestly is a bit of a mess
2022-11-30 13:26:41	bluetail	fedora and ubuntu works by default for some reason, assuming they deploy a shim ...
2022-11-30 13:40:32	brokenlap	archlinux-2022.11.01-x86_64.iso vs archlinux-x86_64.iso ?
2022-11-30 13:40:41	brokenlap	Which one should I burn to usb?
2022-11-30 13:40:56	grawity	they're the same file
2022-11-30 13:40:57	Namarrgon	the latter links to the latest version
2022-11-30 13:42:26	yigit	hi folks, I just got a new laptop. Installed Arch and everything, but I have a surround sound headset and if I ever change the sound output mode from stereo to surround sound in KDE settings, I start to hear this constant, repetitive, intolerable noise. Any idea where I could get started to troubleshoot this?
2022-11-30 13:42:27	nl6720	Namarrgon: only if it's in /latest/
2022-11-30 13:43:13	jelle	brokenlap: does it not show grub after disabling secure boot?
2022-11-30 13:43:20	Namarrgon	nl6720: indeed
2022-11-30 13:43:27	brokenlap	jelle gonna tried it in an hout
2022-11-30 13:43:30	brokenlap	hour
2022-11-30 13:43:41	jelle	aha
2022-11-30 14:00:36	luigibu	hi! is any of you using cider music player? is there any way to change the port of this app? thanks
2022-11-30 14:05:02	SysGhost	luigibu: Changing port? Apple streaming services isn't changing their ports afaik.
2022-11-30 14:06:17	luigibu	SysGhost: thnaks.. the thing is.. xdebug is using same port 9000, do you know any workaround?
2022-11-30 14:09:10	SysGhost	luigibu: Would seem it's something thatäs been requested. Being able to change port through settings. as it is no it seems it's hard-coded on port 9000
2022-11-30 14:14:33	brjl	xdebug is using the same port? ... Have you tried changing *its* port then?
2022-11-30 14:15:19	luigibu	i could for a personal project. but this is a company project.. with many containers.. (already a mess)
2022-11-30 14:16:11	luigibu	may be there is a way of binding ports.. do not know.. far from expert
2022-11-30 14:17:10	jelle	luigibu: https://github.com/ciderapp/Cider/pull/1245
2022-11-30 14:24:53	luigibu	jelle: thanks.. seams.. if i start the debugger first.. cider pick a new port.. thanks for that sir
2022-11-30 14:24:55	roxlu	hi, when I have an Intel UHD Graphics 750 but also a NVIDIA 1650GTX, would it be still possible to use VAAPI with the UHD and e.g. NVENC with the NVIDIA card? I'm asking because `vainfo` currently gives me `vaInitialize failed with error code -1`
2022-11-30 14:25:43	jelle	luigibu: ok, but that's not what the issue is about :p
2022-11-30 14:25:57	jelle	you can set CIDER_PORT=9999
2022-11-30 15:13:01	kek_	hi
2022-11-30 15:14:43	kek_	I just installed docker compose manually to /usr/local/bin/docker-compose because I was in the wrong terminal ... I used to have it install using the package. How do I fix it? How do I figure out if the pacman installed it at the same place? I guess I can conclude from this https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/blob/packages/docker-compose/trunk/PKGBUILD that I can just remove the
2022-11-30 15:14:43	kek_	manuall installed one and be fine?
2022-11-30 15:14:55	brokenlap	Hm
2022-11-30 15:15:03	brokenlap	Ok IT guyed missplaced my old m2 ssd
2022-11-30 15:15:23	brokenlap	But in the meantime I've took out RAM module and put it back on and laptop became alive
2022-11-30 15:15:33	grawity	kek_: pacman never installs to /usr/local if the PKGBUILD was written right, but pacman -Ql pkg
2022-11-30 15:15:40	brokenlap	I've archlinux live image,... how can I test memory for corruption?
2022-11-30 15:15:59	grawity	brokenlap: boot it into memtest86 instead of arch
2022-11-30 15:15:59	kek_	grawity, ah thanks. 
2022-11-30 15:17:26	brokenlap	grawity, when I'm inside boot menu (lenovo grub menu) I can choose nvme, windows boot manager, grub and usb hdd, pci lan, linux firmware updater...
2022-11-30 15:18:01	grawity	choose whichever leads you to the archlinux live image
2022-11-30 15:18:08	brokenlap	Ok..
2022-11-30 15:18:08	grawity	and then choose memtest from the archiso boot menu
2022-11-30 15:18:10	brokenlap	I chose usb
2022-11-30 15:18:18	grawity	if they didn't remove it
2022-11-30 15:18:46	Ennea	i don't think memtest is still shipped with archiso
2022-11-30 15:18:57	Ennea	at least i didn't see it anywhere when i installed arch in september
2022-11-30 15:19:02	brokenlap	Probably.. I can only see: Arch Linux install medium (x86_64, UEFI), Arch Lonux install medium with speakup screen.., UEFI Shell, Uefi Firmware Settings, shutdown and reboot
2022-11-30 15:19:31	grawity	ah, I guess it's either removed or legacy-boot-only
2022-11-30 15:19:32	Namarrgon	if it has memtest on it then it's too old to support uefi
2022-11-30 15:19:54	Namarrgon	memtest+ with uefi support was "just" released
2022-11-30 15:19:54	Ennea	ah, so that's why
2022-11-30 15:20:00	Ennea	that makes perfect sense
2022-11-30 15:20:06	Ennea	never considered it
2022-11-30 15:20:16	grawity	yeah, now I remember UEFI-based memtest being somewhat fresh
2022-11-30 15:20:25	brokenlap	But I just downloaded latest image
2022-11-30 15:20:29	brokenlap	How come it's not there?
2022-11-30 15:20:34	grawity	if you have Windows on it, though, it has its own basic memory test that you can find in Start Menu
2022-11-30 15:20:42	brokenlap	Ah ok
2022-11-30 15:20:51	Namarrgon	if you boot the iso in legacy mode it should give you the memtest option
2022-11-30 15:20:51	brokenlap	Yeah on that m2 are windows installed
2022-11-30 15:21:04	Namarrgon	(assuming it is still on the iso)
2022-11-30 15:21:36	phrik	Title: Borg Documentation — Borg - Deduplicating Archiver 1.2.2 documentation (at borgbackup.readthedocs.io)
2022-11-30 15:22:18	KitsuWhooa	The windows memory test is pretty bad. You'd probably be better off either testing legacy boot from the usb to see if mt86+ is there, or just copying the mt86+ efi binary somewhere and booting it using the UEFI shell
2022-11-30 15:22:42	KitsuWhooa	although if your computer is too new, the latter is much better
2022-11-30 15:22:58	Namarrgon	packages.x86_64 lists memtest+ but grub.cfg doesn't have a (guarded) entry for it
2022-11-30 15:23:40	grawity	hmm that means you could boot it from grub CLI?
2022-11-30 15:23:44	Namarrgon	yeah
2022-11-30 15:24:17	Namarrgon	boot/memtest86+/memtest.bin
2022-11-30 15:24:47	grawity	that's still the legacy boot one though
2022-11-30 15:25:00	KitsuWhooa	The old version doesn't work well with modern systems..
2022-11-30 15:25:02	Namarrgon	yes, the iso came out before the version with uefi support
2022-11-30 15:25:22	SysGhost	memtestx64.efi is the efi compatible one
2022-11-30 15:25:22	bluetail	Namarrgon I remmber using the latest memtest beta and couldnt boot from it 
2022-11-30 15:25:29	bluetail	perhaps I was not smart enough
2022-11-30 15:25:49	bluetail	https://memtest.org/
2022-11-30 15:25:50	phrik	Title: Memtest86+ | The Open-Source Memory Testing Tool (at memtest.org)
2022-11-30 15:29:01	bluetail	I should try
2022-11-30 15:32:17	MacGyver	h4rd3n3d: There's no need to keep pointing that out though, it's not as though I wrote it :P
2022-11-30 15:32:38	yigit	How can I set up surround sound (5.1)? My headset supports it, and it works on Windows (on a different computer)
2022-11-30 15:32:43	MacGyver	But yes, I said something along the lines of "OMG hell froze over, memtest86+ just got an update"
2022-11-30 15:33:12	MacGyver	bluetail: You have to hunt for the .efi executable though, sec.
2022-11-30 15:33:34	yigit	If I set my headset's profile to Digital Surround 5.1 in KDE system settings, though, I get this really fast repetitive noise through the headset and nothing else; it just changes pitch if I try to play something else
2022-11-30 15:33:38	MacGyver	bluetail: https://github.com/memtest86plus/memtest86plus/discussions/190
2022-11-30 15:33:44	tatsumaru	h4rd3n3d: thanks for the advice. I will check out borg.
2022-11-30 15:34:11	bluetail	ty MacGyver
2022-11-30 15:34:12	MacGyver	bluetail: Either grab the one they link there, or extract it from the iso.
2022-11-30 15:34:23	bluetail	they run from ventoy right?
2022-11-30 15:34:24	tatsumaru	h4rd3n3d: do I still need borg if I use something like raid5 that stores parity?
2022-11-30 15:34:51	MacGyver	bluetail: You can just put the .efi in your EFI system partition and point your bootloader at it.
2022-11-30 15:35:26	MacGyver	bluetail: For a bootable USB you can just copy the .iso onto a USB stick.
2022-11-30 15:35:26	bluetail	I'mma going to assume it doesnt auto-load it like systemd-boot does with windows efi right?
2022-11-30 15:35:38	MacGyver	bluetail: No, but systemd-boot's stanza is trivial.
2022-11-30 15:35:38	bluetail	oh k
2022-11-30 15:36:01	MacGyver	bluetail: Literally just a title and then `efi /EFI/memtest86plus/memtest86plus.efi`
2022-11-30 15:36:07	bluetail	I am aware
2022-11-30 15:38:43	MacGyver	tatsumaru: RAID is not a backup and will never be a backup.
2022-11-30 15:39:20	tatsumaru	MacGyver: why not?
2022-11-30 15:40:03	MacGyver	The point of RAID is to keep the system running when a drive fails, and it has the nice benefit that in some cases it will mean you *don't* have to restore from backup.
2022-11-30 15:40:25	MacGyver	But that's the *only* failure mode RAID protects you against, versus all the *other* failure modes that backups protect you against.
2022-11-30 15:40:46	MacGyver	E.g. accidental deletion, ransomware, two disk failures at the same time, ...
2022-11-30 15:41:45	MacGyver	So the answer is yes, you should absolutely still use BORG.
2022-11-30 15:42:29	tatsumaru	there are raid setups suitable for multiple disk failures fyi
2022-11-30 15:42:45	tatsumaru	but I get your point
2022-11-30 15:43:05	MacGyver	Yes, and then what happens if a lightning strike fries n+1?
2022-11-30 15:43:33	MacGyver	Don't get me wrong, RAID *is* nice, also for some read performance reasons.
2022-11-30 15:43:40	MacGyver	But it's not a substitute for backups.
2022-11-30 15:46:05	jkc	tatsumaru: raid5 also kinda falls on its face in terms of how useful single-block parity is for LARGE datasets.
2022-11-30 15:51:46	Tom^	MacGyver: never done backups never used RAID. since 1995. yolo.
2022-11-30 15:53:26	Khorne	never stored any critical data.
2022-11-30 15:54:17	tatsumaru	never did anything important, never had any meaning in my life (safest option)
2022-11-30 15:59:25	brjl	never stored any data
2022-11-30 16:10:23	pedro_	!paste
2022-11-30 16:10:23	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-11-30 16:11:02	kolcon	how can I list systemd timers of another user? (as root)
2022-11-30 16:13:27	kolcon	sudo -u nextcloud systemctl --user list-timers
2022-11-30 16:13:29	kolcon	Failed to connect to bus: No medium found
2022-11-30 16:22:31	moviuro	how do I force aur(1) to rebuild all -git packages? aur sync -u <thing>-git does not work.
2022-11-30 16:32:56	elichai2	Is there any way to build a package from AUR in a clean chroot while still having `yay` manage the updates for me?
2022-11-30 16:33:07	elichai2	(I'm willing to leave yay for something else if it will allow me that)
2022-11-30 16:35:22	GuiToris	is this my fault? fatal: unable to connect to github.com:
2022-11-30 16:35:34	GuiToris	errno=Connection timed out
2022-11-30 16:35:36	mpan	!isitup github.com
2022-11-30 16:35:37	phrik	mpan: Yay, github.com is up.
2022-11-30 16:35:45	mpan	It seems so, but may as well be not.
2022-11-30 16:35:55	mpan	(not enough information given)
2022-11-30 16:36:54	kristianheljas	I can confirm the servants statement
2022-11-30 16:37:11	GuiToris	mpan, https://bpa.st/raw/L7KA
2022-11-30 16:37:18	CubeTheThird	elichai2, aurutils has a chroot option
2022-11-30 16:37:53	moviuro	GuiToris: github has deprecated git:// access. use git+https:// in PKGBUILDs
2022-11-30 16:38:42	iqqdq	is the npm package not getting updated because its a new major version?
2022-11-30 16:38:51	GuiToris	moviuro, thank you
2022-11-30 16:45:32	gromit	iqqdq: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Frequently_asked_questions#Upstream_project_X_has_released_a_new_version._How_long_will_it_take_for_the_Arch_package_to_update_to_that_new_version?
2022-11-30 16:45:34	phrik	Title: Frequently asked questions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-30 16:46:49	elichai2	CubeTheThird: aurutils seem much more complicated than yay
2022-11-30 16:50:05	elichai2	Where can I find `extra-x86_64-build`?
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2022-11-30 16:50:25	elichai2	Oh in devtools, sorry
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2022-11-30 16:52:54	kristianheljas	is `repo-add repository.db.tar.gz` reasonable way to create empty repository? It does complain a bit and manpage doesn't show package as optional , but i guess i can ignore that..
2022-11-30 16:53:23	elichai2	What am I doing wrong? `extra-x86_64-build -- -I google-drive-ocamlfuse-0.7.30.tar.gz; execv(pacman) failed: No such file or directory; ==> ERROR: Aborting...`
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2022-11-30 16:56:00	elichai2	Ok, running `extra-x86_64-build` even without any params gives me the same
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2022-11-30 16:57:14	kristianheljas	elichai2: does `pacman --version` work?
2022-11-30 16:57:39	elichai2	kristianheljas: yep
2022-11-30 16:57:58	elichai2	I ctrl+C'd `extra-x86_64-build` in the middle of setting up the chroot, so that might be the reason?
2022-11-30 16:59:15	kristianheljas	probably :)
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2022-11-30 17:01:16	elichai2	so how do I fix this? hehe
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2022-11-30 17:01:59	kristianheljas	Start over, your chroot is most likely screwed ;)
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2022-11-30 17:39:40	bosma	I connected to my phone via bluetooth, is it possible to use my desktop audio/headphones for my phone?
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2022-11-30 17:59:26	teraflops	bosma: with pulseaudio-module-bluetooth you can
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2022-11-30 18:00:53	bosma	pulseaudio-bluetooth? is installed
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2022-11-30 18:01:44	teraflops	I know nothing about what you have installled
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2022-11-30 18:02:11	teraflops	ah sorry I did not get what you meant
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2022-11-30 18:04:40	teraflops	bosma: you need to load module-bluetooth-policy and module-bluetooth-discover on linux machine, then pair your phone with the linux machine
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2022-11-30 18:18:40	bosma	Both enabled and can successfully pair, phone doesn't have the option to use desktop as headset.
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2022-11-30 18:19:17	teraflops	bosma: from the phone audio app chose airplay or similar
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2022-11-30 18:39:09	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-11-30 12:43:03	brokenlap	Hi there.
2022-11-30 12:45:01	brokenlap	My laptop completely broke. So I got a new one. Both thinkpads...Broken one is t580 new one is t470 I think... both has m2 ssd disks... now I tried to switch from broken to new one. Unfortunatelly new laptop recognizes hard drive only inside bios but  there is nothing after I select hard drive during boot. My ssd is luks encrypted. Do I have to
2022-11-30 12:45:01	brokenlap	reinstall grub since it's completely new motherboard?
2022-11-30 12:45:23	brokenlap	Any advice appreciated. Did my installation 5 years ago so I'm a bit lost here
2022-11-30 12:45:48	bluetail	can you give me advice on how you break them?
2022-11-30 12:46:05	bluetail	still sitting on the same thinkpad for years since its still working :D
2022-11-30 12:46:23	brokenlap	Not sure. When I turn it on I hear very mellow wizz for a second then silence for 5 seconds, and only power, esc and caps lock leds blink every 5 seconds
2022-11-30 12:46:53	bluetail	I had that when using the wrong power supply
2022-11-30 12:47:30	bluetail	funnily the unit charges with usb c as long as it is 65w or more
2022-11-30 12:48:10	bluetail	brokenlap could also be poor power. do u happen to live in the US?
2022-11-30 12:49:03	bluetail	thinking of voltage spikes or so that are not covered by your electrical installation or so. idk
2022-11-30 12:49:27	bluetail	I heard electrical installations are more laid-back and less strict in the US
2022-11-30 12:50:08	brokenlap	I removed both batteries
2022-11-30 12:50:11	brokenlap	Did not turn on
2022-11-30 12:50:19	brokenlap	Both batteris full...
2022-11-30 12:50:48	brokenlap	It's a work lap so I don't really care too much. But now I would like to just swap m2 ssd's and had my previous setup
2022-11-30 12:51:21	brokenlap	But apperantly something is not working since no grub is shown no prompt for password  when grub would have to load is shown... to decrypt luks
2022-11-30 12:52:00	bluetail	that kinda sounds like you missed to turn off secure boot
2022-11-30 12:52:25	bluetail	cause otherwise u might want to sign everything (trollface)
2022-11-30 12:52:39	bluetail	what was it called...
2022-11-30 12:53:13	bluetail	nevermind, I dont remember
2022-11-30 12:53:20	bluetail	but fedora and ubuntu have it by default
2022-11-30 12:53:54	bluetail	yea, if secureboot is on, you might be unable to boot from a secureboot protected laptop
2022-11-30 12:54:06	brokenlap	I haveny swap disks actually but IT guy told me that info
2022-11-30 12:54:12	brokenlap	I said to him, I will try myself...
2022-11-30 12:54:15	GuiToris	dmcrypt is a very linux specific thing, right? If I have a flashdrive encrypted with dmcrypt, will I be able to use it with an android device?
2022-11-30 12:54:54	bluetail	brokenlap do u need the data currently on the disk?
2022-11-30 12:55:17	brokenlap	bluetail most likely :)
2022-11-30 12:55:29	brokenlap	bluetail if you are asking the data on broken laptop
2022-11-30 12:55:47	bluetail	brokenlap what about booting from fedora or ubuntu
2022-11-30 12:56:05	brokenlap	U mean live usb?
2022-11-30 12:56:07	bluetail	ye
2022-11-30 12:56:10	bluetail	it should work
2022-11-30 12:56:13	brokenlap	On borken laptop?
2022-11-30 12:56:23	bluetail	whatever works for u man
2022-11-30 12:56:24	brokenlap	Broken laptop wont get to the bio screen at all...
2022-11-30 12:56:36	brokenlap	Well I would like to use my existing setup on a new laptop
2022-11-30 12:56:44	bluetail	oooh
2022-11-30 12:56:55	brokenlap	it's similar hardware
2022-11-30 12:57:01	brokenlap	Should just work afaik
2022-11-30 12:57:08	bluetail	possibly
2022-11-30 12:57:23	brokenlap	For one reason it's not getting to the grub
2022-11-30 12:57:30	brokenlap	What could be the reason for that?
2022-11-30 12:57:38	bluetail	secureboot turned on
2022-11-30 12:57:39	bluetail	?
2022-11-30 12:57:41	brokenlap	Hm
2022-11-30 12:57:52	brokenlap	Will try myself in 1h30min
2022-11-30 12:57:55	bluetail	if yes, you need a special mok
2022-11-30 12:58:04	brokenlap	Special mok?
2022-11-30 12:58:08	bluetail	machine only key
2022-11-30 12:58:16	brokenlap	Please do tell more
2022-11-30 12:59:07	bluetail	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface/Secure_Boot
2022-11-30 12:59:08	phrik	Title: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface/Secure Boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-30 12:59:22	bluetail	I'd rather not.
2022-11-30 12:59:26	bluetail	It's a rabbit hole
2022-11-30 12:59:34	bluetail	its way easier to disable secureboot if you can
2022-11-30 13:08:59	brokenlap	bluetail I will first disable secure boot
2022-11-30 13:22:09	brokenlap	Ok maybe IT guy didn't actually disable secure boot. After I've disabled it windows didni't boot and said I have secure boot disabled...
2022-11-30 13:22:20	brokenlap	Just thinking out loud
2022-11-30 13:22:29	brokenlap	If after secure boot disabled, I still won't be able to enter grub...
2022-11-30 13:22:32	brokenlap	What are my options?
2022-11-30 13:23:13	MrElendig	 backup any important data as the first step
2022-11-30 13:23:56	bluetail	yea, with secure boot disabled you can now boot into several recovery boot iso's and so on
2022-11-30 13:24:36	bluetail	I think u can also re-apply grub2...
2022-11-30 13:25:06	brokenlap	Any instructions on that with full ecryptted luks ssd?
2022-11-30 13:25:13	bluetail	yea, with secureboot on you may require to sign stuffs under arch... kernel modules and the likes
2022-11-30 13:25:35	bluetail	brokenlap I mean, the wiki is not a tutorial :|
2022-11-30 13:26:08	bluetail	(thing is, you usually turn secureboot off, then sign stuffs and then turn it back on to see if it works)
2022-11-30 13:26:14	bluetail	it honestly is a bit of a mess
2022-11-30 13:26:41	bluetail	fedora and ubuntu works by default for some reason, assuming they deploy a shim ...
2022-11-30 13:40:32	brokenlap	archlinux-2022.11.01-x86_64.iso vs archlinux-x86_64.iso ?
2022-11-30 13:40:41	brokenlap	Which one should I burn to usb?
2022-11-30 13:40:56	grawity	they're the same file
2022-11-30 13:40:57	Namarrgon	the latter links to the latest version
2022-11-30 13:42:26	yigit	hi folks, I just got a new laptop. Installed Arch and everything, but I have a surround sound headset and if I ever change the sound output mode from stereo to surround sound in KDE settings, I start to hear this constant, repetitive, intolerable noise. Any idea where I could get started to troubleshoot this?
2022-11-30 13:42:27	nl6720	Namarrgon: only if it's in /latest/
2022-11-30 13:43:13	jelle	brokenlap: does it not show grub after disabling secure boot?
2022-11-30 13:43:20	Namarrgon	nl6720: indeed
2022-11-30 13:43:27	brokenlap	jelle gonna tried it in an hout
2022-11-30 13:43:30	brokenlap	hour
2022-11-30 13:43:41	jelle	aha
2022-11-30 14:00:36	luigibu	hi! is any of you using cider music player? is there any way to change the port of this app? thanks
2022-11-30 14:05:02	SysGhost	luigibu: Changing port? Apple streaming services isn't changing their ports afaik.
2022-11-30 14:06:17	luigibu	SysGhost: thnaks.. the thing is.. xdebug is using same port 9000, do you know any workaround?
2022-11-30 14:09:10	SysGhost	luigibu: Would seem it's something thatäs been requested. Being able to change port through settings. as it is no it seems it's hard-coded on port 9000
2022-11-30 14:14:33	brjl	xdebug is using the same port? ... Have you tried changing *its* port then?
2022-11-30 14:15:19	luigibu	i could for a personal project. but this is a company project.. with many containers.. (already a mess)
2022-11-30 14:16:11	luigibu	may be there is a way of binding ports.. do not know.. far from expert
2022-11-30 14:17:10	jelle	luigibu: https://github.com/ciderapp/Cider/pull/1245
2022-11-30 14:24:53	luigibu	jelle: thanks.. seams.. if i start the debugger first.. cider pick a new port.. thanks for that sir
2022-11-30 14:24:55	roxlu	hi, when I have an Intel UHD Graphics 750 but also a NVIDIA 1650GTX, would it be still possible to use VAAPI with the UHD and e.g. NVENC with the NVIDIA card? I'm asking because `vainfo` currently gives me `vaInitialize failed with error code -1`
2022-11-30 14:25:43	jelle	luigibu: ok, but that's not what the issue is about :p
2022-11-30 14:25:57	jelle	you can set CIDER_PORT=9999
2022-11-30 15:13:01	kek_	hi
2022-11-30 15:14:43	kek_	I just installed docker compose manually to /usr/local/bin/docker-compose because I was in the wrong terminal ... I used to have it install using the package. How do I fix it? How do I figure out if the pacman installed it at the same place? I guess I can conclude from this https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/blob/packages/docker-compose/trunk/PKGBUILD that I can just remove the
2022-11-30 15:14:43	kek_	manuall installed one and be fine?
2022-11-30 15:14:55	brokenlap	Hm
2022-11-30 15:15:03	brokenlap	Ok IT guyed missplaced my old m2 ssd
2022-11-30 15:15:23	brokenlap	But in the meantime I've took out RAM module and put it back on and laptop became alive
2022-11-30 15:15:33	grawity	kek_: pacman never installs to /usr/local if the PKGBUILD was written right, but pacman -Ql pkg
2022-11-30 15:15:40	brokenlap	I've archlinux live image,... how can I test memory for corruption?
2022-11-30 15:15:59	grawity	brokenlap: boot it into memtest86 instead of arch
2022-11-30 15:15:59	kek_	grawity, ah thanks. 
2022-11-30 15:17:26	brokenlap	grawity, when I'm inside boot menu (lenovo grub menu) I can choose nvme, windows boot manager, grub and usb hdd, pci lan, linux firmware updater...
2022-11-30 15:18:01	grawity	choose whichever leads you to the archlinux live image
2022-11-30 15:18:08	brokenlap	Ok..
2022-11-30 15:18:08	grawity	and then choose memtest from the archiso boot menu
2022-11-30 15:18:10	brokenlap	I chose usb
2022-11-30 15:18:18	grawity	if they didn't remove it
2022-11-30 15:18:46	Ennea	i don't think memtest is still shipped with archiso
2022-11-30 15:18:57	Ennea	at least i didn't see it anywhere when i installed arch in september
2022-11-30 15:19:02	brokenlap	Probably.. I can only see: Arch Linux install medium (x86_64, UEFI), Arch Lonux install medium with speakup screen.., UEFI Shell, Uefi Firmware Settings, shutdown and reboot
2022-11-30 15:19:31	grawity	ah, I guess it's either removed or legacy-boot-only
2022-11-30 15:19:32	Namarrgon	if it has memtest on it then it's too old to support uefi
2022-11-30 15:19:54	Namarrgon	memtest+ with uefi support was "just" released
2022-11-30 15:19:54	Ennea	ah, so that's why
2022-11-30 15:20:00	Ennea	that makes perfect sense
2022-11-30 15:20:06	Ennea	never considered it
2022-11-30 15:20:16	grawity	yeah, now I remember UEFI-based memtest being somewhat fresh
2022-11-30 15:20:25	brokenlap	But I just downloaded latest image
2022-11-30 15:20:29	brokenlap	How come it's not there?
2022-11-30 15:20:34	grawity	if you have Windows on it, though, it has its own basic memory test that you can find in Start Menu
2022-11-30 15:20:42	brokenlap	Ah ok
2022-11-30 15:20:51	Namarrgon	if you boot the iso in legacy mode it should give you the memtest option
2022-11-30 15:20:51	brokenlap	Yeah on that m2 are windows installed
2022-11-30 15:21:04	Namarrgon	(assuming it is still on the iso)
2022-11-30 15:21:36	phrik	Title: Borg Documentation — Borg - Deduplicating Archiver 1.2.2 documentation (at borgbackup.readthedocs.io)
2022-11-30 15:22:18	KitsuWhooa	The windows memory test is pretty bad. You'd probably be better off either testing legacy boot from the usb to see if mt86+ is there, or just copying the mt86+ efi binary somewhere and booting it using the UEFI shell
2022-11-30 15:22:42	KitsuWhooa	although if your computer is too new, the latter is much better
2022-11-30 15:22:58	Namarrgon	packages.x86_64 lists memtest+ but grub.cfg doesn't have a (guarded) entry for it
2022-11-30 15:23:40	grawity	hmm that means you could boot it from grub CLI?
2022-11-30 15:23:44	Namarrgon	yeah
2022-11-30 15:24:17	Namarrgon	boot/memtest86+/memtest.bin
2022-11-30 15:24:47	grawity	that's still the legacy boot one though
2022-11-30 15:25:00	KitsuWhooa	The old version doesn't work well with modern systems..
2022-11-30 15:25:02	Namarrgon	yes, the iso came out before the version with uefi support
2022-11-30 15:25:22	SysGhost	memtestx64.efi is the efi compatible one
2022-11-30 15:25:22	bluetail	Namarrgon I remmber using the latest memtest beta and couldnt boot from it 
2022-11-30 15:25:29	bluetail	perhaps I was not smart enough
2022-11-30 15:25:49	bluetail	https://memtest.org/
2022-11-30 15:25:50	phrik	Title: Memtest86+ | The Open-Source Memory Testing Tool (at memtest.org)
2022-11-30 15:29:01	bluetail	I should try
2022-11-30 15:32:17	MacGyver	h4rd3n3d: There's no need to keep pointing that out though, it's not as though I wrote it :P
2022-11-30 15:32:38	yigit	How can I set up surround sound (5.1)? My headset supports it, and it works on Windows (on a different computer)
2022-11-30 15:32:43	MacGyver	But yes, I said something along the lines of "OMG hell froze over, memtest86+ just got an update"
2022-11-30 15:33:12	MacGyver	bluetail: You have to hunt for the .efi executable though, sec.
2022-11-30 15:33:34	yigit	If I set my headset's profile to Digital Surround 5.1 in KDE system settings, though, I get this really fast repetitive noise through the headset and nothing else; it just changes pitch if I try to play something else
2022-11-30 15:33:38	MacGyver	bluetail: https://github.com/memtest86plus/memtest86plus/discussions/190
2022-11-30 15:33:44	tatsumaru	h4rd3n3d: thanks for the advice. I will check out borg.
2022-11-30 15:34:11	bluetail	ty MacGyver
2022-11-30 15:34:12	MacGyver	bluetail: Either grab the one they link there, or extract it from the iso.
2022-11-30 15:34:23	bluetail	they run from ventoy right?
2022-11-30 15:34:24	tatsumaru	h4rd3n3d: do I still need borg if I use something like raid5 that stores parity?
2022-11-30 15:34:51	MacGyver	bluetail: You can just put the .efi in your EFI system partition and point your bootloader at it.
2022-11-30 15:35:26	MacGyver	bluetail: For a bootable USB you can just copy the .iso onto a USB stick.
2022-11-30 15:35:26	bluetail	I'mma going to assume it doesnt auto-load it like systemd-boot does with windows efi right?
2022-11-30 15:35:38	MacGyver	bluetail: No, but systemd-boot's stanza is trivial.
2022-11-30 15:35:38	bluetail	oh k
2022-11-30 15:36:01	MacGyver	bluetail: Literally just a title and then `efi /EFI/memtest86plus/memtest86plus.efi`
2022-11-30 15:36:07	bluetail	I am aware
2022-11-30 15:38:43	MacGyver	tatsumaru: RAID is not a backup and will never be a backup.
2022-11-30 15:39:20	tatsumaru	MacGyver: why not?
2022-11-30 15:40:03	MacGyver	The point of RAID is to keep the system running when a drive fails, and it has the nice benefit that in some cases it will mean you *don't* have to restore from backup.
2022-11-30 15:40:25	MacGyver	But that's the *only* failure mode RAID protects you against, versus all the *other* failure modes that backups protect you against.
2022-11-30 15:40:46	MacGyver	E.g. accidental deletion, ransomware, two disk failures at the same time, ...
2022-11-30 15:41:45	MacGyver	So the answer is yes, you should absolutely still use BORG.
2022-11-30 15:42:29	tatsumaru	there are raid setups suitable for multiple disk failures fyi
2022-11-30 15:42:45	tatsumaru	but I get your point
2022-11-30 15:43:05	MacGyver	Yes, and then what happens if a lightning strike fries n+1?
2022-11-30 15:43:33	MacGyver	Don't get me wrong, RAID *is* nice, also for some read performance reasons.
2022-11-30 15:43:40	MacGyver	But it's not a substitute for backups.
2022-11-30 15:46:05	jkc	tatsumaru: raid5 also kinda falls on its face in terms of how useful single-block parity is for LARGE datasets.
2022-11-30 15:51:46	Tom^	MacGyver: never done backups never used RAID. since 1995. yolo.
2022-11-30 15:53:26	Khorne	never stored any critical data.
2022-11-30 15:54:17	tatsumaru	never did anything important, never had any meaning in my life (safest option)
2022-11-30 15:59:25	brjl	never stored any data
2022-11-30 16:10:23	pedro_	!paste
2022-11-30 16:10:23	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-11-30 16:11:02	kolcon	how can I list systemd timers of another user? (as root)
2022-11-30 16:13:27	kolcon	sudo -u nextcloud systemctl --user list-timers
2022-11-30 16:13:29	kolcon	Failed to connect to bus: No medium found
2022-11-30 16:22:31	moviuro	how do I force aur(1) to rebuild all -git packages? aur sync -u <thing>-git does not work.
2022-11-30 16:32:56	elichai2	Is there any way to build a package from AUR in a clean chroot while still having `yay` manage the updates for me?
2022-11-30 16:33:07	elichai2	(I'm willing to leave yay for something else if it will allow me that)
2022-11-30 16:35:22	GuiToris	is this my fault? fatal: unable to connect to github.com:
2022-11-30 16:35:34	GuiToris	errno=Connection timed out
2022-11-30 16:35:36	mpan	!isitup github.com
2022-11-30 16:35:37	phrik	mpan: Yay, github.com is up.
2022-11-30 16:35:45	mpan	It seems so, but may as well be not.
2022-11-30 16:35:55	mpan	(not enough information given)
2022-11-30 16:36:54	kristianheljas	I can confirm the servants statement
2022-11-30 16:37:11	GuiToris	mpan, https://bpa.st/raw/L7KA
2022-11-30 16:37:18	CubeTheThird	elichai2, aurutils has a chroot option
2022-11-30 16:37:53	moviuro	GuiToris: github has deprecated git:// access. use git+https:// in PKGBUILDs
2022-11-30 16:38:42	iqqdq	is the npm package not getting updated because its a new major version?
2022-11-30 16:38:51	GuiToris	moviuro, thank you
2022-11-30 16:45:32	gromit	iqqdq: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Frequently_asked_questions#Upstream_project_X_has_released_a_new_version._How_long_will_it_take_for_the_Arch_package_to_update_to_that_new_version?
2022-11-30 16:45:34	phrik	Title: Frequently asked questions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-11-30 16:46:49	elichai2	CubeTheThird: aurutils seem much more complicated than yay
2022-11-30 16:50:05	elichai2	Where can I find `extra-x86_64-build`?
2022-11-30 16:50:25	elichai2	Oh in devtools, sorry
2022-11-30 16:52:54	kristianheljas	is `repo-add repository.db.tar.gz` reasonable way to create empty repository? It does complain a bit and manpage doesn't show package as optional , but i guess i can ignore that..
2022-11-30 16:53:23	elichai2	What am I doing wrong? `extra-x86_64-build -- -I google-drive-ocamlfuse-0.7.30.tar.gz; execv(pacman) failed: No such file or directory; ==> ERROR: Aborting...`
2022-11-30 16:56:00	elichai2	Ok, running `extra-x86_64-build` even without any params gives me the same
2022-11-30 16:57:14	kristianheljas	elichai2: does `pacman --version` work?
2022-11-30 16:57:39	elichai2	kristianheljas: yep
2022-11-30 16:57:58	elichai2	I ctrl+C'd `extra-x86_64-build` in the middle of setting up the chroot, so that might be the reason?
2022-11-30 16:59:15	kristianheljas	probably :)
2022-11-30 17:01:16	elichai2	so how do I fix this? hehe
2022-11-30 17:01:59	kristianheljas	Start over, your chroot is most likely screwed ;)
2022-11-30 17:06:00	elichai2	oh `-c` is what I needed
2022-11-30 17:39:40	bosma	I connected to my phone via bluetooth, is it possible to use my desktop audio/headphones for my phone?
2022-11-30 17:59:26	teraflops	bosma: with pulseaudio-module-bluetooth you can
2022-11-30 18:00:53	bosma	pulseaudio-bluetooth? is installed
2022-11-30 18:01:44	teraflops	I know nothing about what you have installled
2022-11-30 18:02:11	teraflops	ah sorry I did not get what you meant
2022-11-30 18:04:41	teraflops	bosma: you need to load module-bluetooth-policy and module-bluetooth-discover on linux machine, then pair your phone with the linux machine
2022-11-30 18:18:40	bosma	Both enabled and can successfully pair, phone doesn't have the option to use desktop as headset.
2022-11-30 18:19:17	teraflops	bosma: from the phone audio app chose airplay or similar
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2022-11-30 19:44:50	DerHorst	bosma: When you use oulseaudio, there is an option for simultaneous output
2022-11-30 19:45:30	DerHorst	oh, wait, that was not hte question. nevermind
2022-11-30 19:46:18	bosma	x problem: i want to answer or make calls on my computer without taking off my iems and picking up the phone
2022-11-30 19:46:50	bosma	treating desktop as bluetooth headset for the phone seems like the solution 
2022-11-30 20:04:50	analoq	bosma: here's a thread about it https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/205378/use-desktop-as-bluetooth-headset
2022-11-30 20:04:52	phrik	Title: arch linux - Use desktop as bluetooth headset - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2022-11-30 20:06:17	af	Hi, does anyone have horizontal scrolling working with thinkpad trackpoint? i.e., hold middle button and move the red bob left/right to scroll horizontally.
2022-11-30 20:07:36	gehidore	af I'll try in a moment
2022-11-30 20:07:47	gehidore	pretty sure the answer is yes
2022-11-30 20:08:21	af	thanks, appreciated
2022-11-30 20:10:37	af	I should mention that I am facing this issue with the thinkpad wireless version of keyboard
2022-11-30 20:10:50	af	vertical scrolling works as usual, but not horizontal
2022-11-30 20:31:01	gehidore	the bluetooth version or they make a wireless one now?
2022-11-30 20:32:28	af	gehidore: it supports bluetooth but there is also the 2.x ghz wireless usb adapter mode which I am using.
2022-11-30 20:32:41	gehidore	af confirmed left right works with onboard keyboard, I don't have at present the bt version in front of me but I recall it working fine as well
2022-11-30 20:33:10	af	the little usb dongle which you plug into the machine and then the keyboard itself wirelessly connects to whatever the dongle is connected to
2022-11-30 20:33:25	af	gehidore: noted. you are using libinput as well?
2022-11-30 20:34:21	gehidore	!shrug
2022-11-30 20:34:22	phrik	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-11-30 20:34:29	gehidore	using sway
2022-11-30 20:34:42	gehidore	it worked in i3/xorg as well
2022-11-30 20:34:48	gehidore	just tested that too
2022-11-30 20:36:13	af	okay, thanks, I'll investigate further then
2022-11-30 20:54:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-11-30 21:20:01	teraflops	hmm so I cannot attach to an xpra linux session from macOS because it uses libressl?
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2022-11-30 21:20:42	phrik	teraflops: Take it to #archlinux-offtopic
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2022-11-30 21:36:44	analoq	yeah what would we do with him clogging up the busy channel~
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2022-11-30 21:50:15	teraflops	well, being fair it was a bit offtopic ;)
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2022-11-30 21:52:30	ℹ 	subphase-flow es conocido ahora como flowji
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2022-11-30 22:03:27	susi	can anyone confirm ff v108 working OK on up-to-date arch and intel/xorg?
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2022-11-30 22:03:41	susi	no freezes, no memory issues, no bullshit
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2022-12-01 17:46:51	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-01 17:46:52	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1456 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1455 normals)
2022-12-01 03:00:46	mpan	Total memory used is a more complicated question in modern systems. In htop PSS + PSSWP give a good indication.
2022-12-01 03:01:25	mpan	(total memory = RAM + swap, which in fact is still not total memory used, as “used” is what is the problem in modern systems)
2022-12-01 03:02:20	varjack	https://imgur.com/a/wkWx1GT
2022-12-01 03:02:20	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2022-12-01 03:02:29	varjack	so none of that looks too out of the ordinary
2022-12-01 03:03:38	mpan	Top two processes have VIRT at 105GiB and 16GiB (on a 8GiB system) to give you some impression of how misleading that column is. :)
2022-12-01 03:03:40	espresso	ldiamond: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Offline_installation is possible e.g. making a custom https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Archiso
2022-12-01 03:03:42	phrik	Title: Offline installation - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-01 03:03:47	mpan	s/processes/programs/
2022-12-01 03:04:19	varjack	oh here's something interesting, Xorg is now at 26g of ram usage
2022-12-01 03:04:28	varjack	as i'm watching it, it's steadily increasing
2022-12-01 03:04:47	mpan	The 105GiB process actually hogs 105MiB of RAM for itself. :)
2022-12-01 03:05:14	varjack	hmm
2022-12-01 03:05:40	varjack	so leaving a java app open makes Xorg consume ram at a steady pace, even when i'm not doing anything in the app
2022-12-01 03:05:49	varjack	closing the app Xorg stops incrementing but seems to hold it's claims
2022-12-01 03:05:58	espresso	Xorg was the one that segfaulted, which could be another indicator.
2022-12-01 03:06:24	varjack	gonna try switching java versions
2022-12-01 03:07:03	Namarrgon	which java app is running?
2022-12-01 03:07:08	varjack	jadx-gui
2022-12-01 03:07:28	mpan	I kinda doubt it’s Java in this case.
2022-12-01 03:07:29	varjack	i think it's based on the jetbrains ide
2022-12-01 03:08:04	mpan	More like xorg itself misbehaving in some way.
2022-12-01 03:08:32	varjack	yeah, my last test would agree
2022-12-01 03:08:38	varjack	java 8 and 17 both made it count up
2022-12-01 03:08:50	Namarrgon	xorg can "leak" memory when applications create resources service-side
2022-12-01 03:09:28	varjack	i've used these before without issue in the past, it's really only been happening since i upgraded last week
2022-12-01 03:10:08	espresso	ldiamond: USB drive with a few GB should be plenty of space for a full install, generally
2022-12-01 03:10:41	mpan	Carelessly written Swing apps may create a lot of bitmaps. But those are allocated in video card’s memory, not RAM. And while those would be leaked in xorg, it would not count up to gigabytes that fast.
2022-12-01 03:11:19	mpan	varjack: did you update the video module or xorg recently?
2022-12-01 03:11:31	varjack	https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/620275/xorg-taking-huge-amounts-of-memory
2022-12-01 03:11:33	phrik	Title: arch linux - Xorg taking huge amounts of memory - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2022-12-01 03:11:48	varjack	"you might have a memory leak somewhere (most likely in GPU drivers)"
2022-12-01 03:11:51	varjack	mpan, yeah
2022-12-01 03:13:16	Namarrgon	you can try aur/xrestop, to see what X is doing
2022-12-01 03:13:18	mpan	varjack: I am not sure if that switch is still available in Java (Oracle or OpenJDK), but see if running the app directly with `-Dsun.java2d.opengl=false` preoduces the same error or this time the Java app itself inflates.
2022-12-01 03:13:48	mpan	In the past that would disable BufferedImage from trying to use video card for operations.
2022-12-01 03:14:00	varjack	i'll give it a try mpan 
2022-12-01 03:14:44	mpan	By directly I mean with `java -Dsun.java2d.opengl=false … whatever other options are needed to run jadx-gui …`.
2022-12-01 03:14:57	varjack	yeah i'm looking into it's launch script... it's a mess
2022-12-01 03:15:04	mpan	If not, see Namarrgon’s suggestion.
2022-12-01 03:15:36	varjack	might just see what xrestop shows
2022-12-01 03:16:29	varjack	picom at the top...
2022-12-01 03:16:37	varjack	i've had issues with compositors in the past
2022-12-01 03:17:52	varjack	killing picom and starting jadx-gui made the Xorg res usage drop way back down
2022-12-01 03:18:09	ldiamond	espresso: I'll check that out, thanks
2022-12-01 03:18:12	varjack	starting to look like that's the culprit
2022-12-01 03:24:51	linuxuser88	is it necessary to setup swap on the raid with mdadm or should I just execute swapon /dev/sda2, swapon /dev/sdb2?
2022-12-01 03:25:02	linuxuser88	i want to encrypt swap with lus
2022-12-01 03:25:04	linuxuser88	*luks
2022-12-01 04:39:31	varjack	pfft. it's the rounded corners 
2022-12-01 04:40:15	tirnanog	linuxuser88: for the block device backing a swap to become defective would harm a running system, so there is an argument for using raid. however, you could use a swap file instead or even layer lvm on luks for some flexibility.
2022-12-01 04:42:02	tirnanog	put another way, enabling sda2 and sdb2 as swaps wouldn't be fault tolerant.
2022-12-01 04:43:30	varjack	ok more accurately, looks like the rounded corners feature in picom with the xrender backend causes Xorg to leak memory
2022-12-01 04:43:43	varjack	switched to glx lets me keep it
2022-12-01 05:38:06	heat	tirnanog, how would a swap file help?
2022-12-01 05:40:33	tirnanog	heat: by virtue of being on a raid-backed filesystem, potentially.
2022-12-01 05:41:00	tirnanog	that is, after all, what most people use raid for.
2022-12-01 06:18:20	heat	tirnanog, isn't raid a purely block-device level concept?
2022-12-01 06:20:03	tirnanog	heat: in the case of md, yes. such a block device confers redundancy upon all that is layered on top of it, filesystems included. well, other than for raid0.
2022-12-01 06:21:15	heat	yup
2022-12-01 06:21:33	heat	I'm saying that swap files in the OG case would have no advantages
2022-12-01 06:22:06	tirnanog	ergo, a swap file residing in a filesystem that is backed by a redundant md block device affords an additional degree of runtime safety in a way that creating two independent swaps on ordinary disk partitions wouldn't.
2022-12-01 06:22:15	heat	well, yes
2022-12-01 06:22:34	heat	I'm not arguing for the original approach, which doesn't work for reliability but rather maybe swap space?
2022-12-01 06:23:10	heat	but having a swap file on a filesystem on a bdev with redundancy is very much the same thing as writing to the bdev directly
2022-12-01 06:23:16	tirnanog	yes, it would provide more swap space. I would think that most people using raid would prefer that their machines don't potentially crash when a disk goes tits up, however. could just be me.
2022-12-01 06:23:27	heat	/shrug
2022-12-01 06:24:27	tirnanog	granted, a a separate array could be created. I never claimed that wasn't the case.
2022-12-01 06:25:55	tirnanog	using luks _just_ for swap would be pretty weird, though.
2022-12-01 06:26:38	tirnanog	for setups that only encrypt swap, throwaway headerless volumes are the normal approach.
2022-12-01 06:27:36	tirnanog	so if luks is being used beyond that, it could make sense to just layer lvm on luks for example (allowing for a swap volume and whatever else).
2022-12-01 06:49:40	linuxuser88	does matter if swap partition is 3th or 4th?
2022-12-01 06:50:00	grawity	hasn't mattered for 40 years
2022-12-01 06:50:18	linuxuser88	now still doesn't matter?
2022-12-01 07:23:20	tirnanog	well, if you're into short stroking, maybe. then again, if your workload is such that the majority of your I/O consists of paging out to - and in from - swap, you would presumably have bigger problems.
2022-12-01 07:53:29	ye24	Does pacman use a port other than 80 or 443? I am having trouble downloading packages at mcdonalds 
2022-12-01 07:53:43	grawity	it uses whatever is configured in your mirrorlist
2022-12-01 07:53:56	grawity	if it's an http:// mirror it'll use 80 by default, etc.
2022-12-01 07:54:19	grawity	...so make sure you don't have ftp or rsync mirrors in there?
2022-12-01 07:54:23	grawity	also, what specific kind of trouble
2022-12-01 07:55:21	ye24	grawity: well, no package installations are working. `error: failed retrieving file 'python-virtualenv-20.13.1-1-any.pkg.tar.zst' from mirror.cyberhost.uk : The requested URL returned error: 404` -- I am pretty sure its port related seeing as ... its mcdonalds. They dont even allow IRC ports
2022-12-01 07:55:27	grawity	no
2022-12-01 07:55:57	grawity	if you're at the point of getting a 404 error – that's an HTTP error – then it means you've successfully connected to some webserver, sent out a request, etc
2022-12-01 07:55:57	ye24	What else could it be?
2022-12-01 07:56:06	ye24	hmmmm
2022-12-01 07:56:07	grawity	are you using an HTTP mirror or an HTTPS one?
2022-12-01 07:56:24	ye24	whatever is default. I'll check
2022-12-01 07:56:47	grawity	99% of the time, getting a 404 for package installs literally just means that file isn't there anymore
2022-12-01 07:57:00	grawity	like, for example, because python-virtualenv is currently at version 20.17.0-1
2022-12-01 07:57:28	ye24	grawity: I may be quite behind on updates then. 
2022-12-01 07:57:30	grawity	in other words, your Arch packages are two months out-of-date and you're trying to install a package that hasn't been there since September
2022-12-01 07:57:49	ye24	My internet is touchy, so that is quite likely.
2022-12-01 08:01:53	ye24	alright that helps. Gotta restart
2022-12-01 08:02:11	ye24	grawity: thanks
2022-12-01 08:47:14	colo	I have a netbook-class device here with a 64bit Intel CPU, that is plagued by a 32bit-only UEFI firmware. as a consequence, I can run 64bit Linux if it gets loaded by a 32bit UEFI-based bootloader. I was wondering how I could set up arch on this thing - is there a a 32bit UEFI-based bootloader in the repos? if not, how or where could I get one on my own to boot into arch with?
2022-12-01 08:49:03	jelle	colo: I don't believe archiso supports it, but iirc archboot does? But we don't have a 32 bit grub or ssystemd-boot in our repso
2022-12-01 08:49:08	jelle	I do recall a wiki article about this
2022-12-01 08:51:46	colo	jelle: I can get the live image to boot fairly easily with ventoy, it has proper IA32 UEFI support
2022-12-01 08:52:03	colo	but once I have a distro installed, I am SOL without a proper loader :)
2022-12-01 08:52:24	jelle	colo: right
2022-12-01 08:53:37	jelle	not sure how useful https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ASUS_x205ta is
2022-12-01 08:53:38	phrik	Title: ASUS x205ta - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-01 08:54:10	colo	ah! that  --target=i386-efi  seems useful, I did not know about that!
2022-12-01 08:54:29	colo	thanks, I will try that :)
2022-12-01 09:31:29	linuxuser88	can I mix dkms modules with built for specific kernel modules like have installed zfs-linux together with rtl8812au-dkms-git?
2022-12-01 09:37:43	HuntsMan	linuxuser88: sure, if built for the same kernel version of course
2022-12-01 10:07:08	sunyibo	I ssh into a machine and want to copy paste a part of a config file into another ssh session on the same machine with another nvim session. https://neovim.io/doc/user/provider.html#provider-clipboard doesn't help. Help please
2022-12-01 10:07:09	phrik	Title: Provider - Neovim docs (at neovim.io)
2022-12-01 10:10:11	sunyibo	after a couple years of using (n)vi(m) I still can't copy paste. Drives me nutts.
2022-12-01 10:12:37	B-|	i just read "reproducible builds" in an article about package managers. does it mean that i can check that a package was built correctly and does this apply to the arch packages?
2022-12-01 10:12:53	B-|	i'll assume that my messages are visible
2022-12-01 10:14:08	jelle	B-|: Arch Linux supports reproducible builds, but I am not sure if you fully understood it
2022-12-01 10:16:27	B-|	it means that i can build a package with the exact sources and the package file will have the same signature
2022-12-01 10:16:34	B-|	am i correct?
2022-12-01 10:19:32	B-|	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:ReproduciblePackages
2022-12-01 10:19:33	phrik	Title: Reproducible builds/Status - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-01 10:19:37	B-|	got to this page
2022-12-01 10:19:48	andi_	hello, is there any problems with arch and the new ryzen 7000 with AM5 known? i'm tryin to install arch on such a system but the iso dosn't boot at all
2022-12-01 10:21:41	B-|	someone was complaining about firefox crashing and it's randomly crashing for me as well. pretty sure i didn't modify librewolf that much
2022-12-01 10:22:53	jelle	B-|: librewolf is not in the repositories
2022-12-01 10:25:46	B-|	yeah but it's practically firefox with an actually good configuration
2022-12-01 10:26:03	B-|	and it wasn't crashing as much before
2022-12-01 10:26:44	jelle	I am very skeptical of browser forks
2022-12-01 10:27:56	jelle	https://gitlab.com/librewolf-community/browser/arch/-/blob/master/0001-allow-JXL-in-non-nightly-browser.patch much yolo
2022-12-01 10:27:57	phrik	Title: 0001-allow-JXL-in-non-nightly-browser.patch · master · LibreWolf / Browser / Arch · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2022-12-01 10:29:39	B-|	librewolf appears as anonymous as i am comfortable with to browser testing sites practically out of the box
2022-12-01 10:30:02	B-|	i had to change some settings related to my display and letterboxing though
2022-12-01 10:30:23	B-|	if anyone has a list of testing websites send them to me
2022-12-01 10:30:34	B-|	jelle: what's funny about that patch?
2022-12-01 10:31:12	B-|	if i were to recommend a browser to someone it would be librewolf
2022-12-01 10:31:15	B-|	brave is weird
2022-12-01 11:04:00	andi_	is there a problem with the 4090 installing arch?
2022-12-01 11:05:05	jelle	B-|: they just enable beta features in stable builds
2022-12-01 11:20:40	dviant	hello everyone, I use a luks encrypted portable hdd for backups. Today, I forgot to unmount and close it before unplugging... Now when I plugit back in, I notice that lsblk command shows the device as /sda instead of /dev. Why is that happening?
2022-12-01 11:20:59	grawity	lsblk? lsblk has never showed "/dev" prefix
2022-12-01 11:21:20	grawity	what does the full output look like?
2022-12-01 11:21:56	dviant	oh right right, nvm... thanks grawity, you're right
2022-12-01 11:22:29	dviant	I just confused the way I run the crypt open command and the lsblk output
2022-12-01 11:22:57	grawity	`lsblk -o +path` if you want to see the full paths
2022-12-01 11:23:20	grawity	consider just adding the hdd in /etc/crypttab though
2022-12-01 11:24:04	grawity	if you have entries in both fstab & crypttab, you can `systemctl start /mnt/foo` and it'll mount + unlock in one step
2022-12-01 11:25:12	dviant	it'll auto mount it when I plug it?
2022-12-01 11:26:50	dviant	i do not have it in fstab or crypttab, I'll look into it, thanks!
2022-12-01 12:08:55	bonezbones	should most of this https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Security be done from a default install?
2022-12-01 12:08:56	phrik	Title: Security - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-01 12:11:12	Namarrgon	only what seems reasonable for a particular use-case
2022-12-01 12:12:57	bonezbones	it's kind of hard to determine what i would actually need. like Hardened malloc, MAC, kernel hardening etc.
2022-12-01 12:13:47	susi	I had serious problems with hardened malloc in the past, so ditched it.. be ware
2022-12-01 12:14:16	bonezbones	ok ty
2022-12-01 12:15:18	bonezbones	and then there's the firewall section. do i even need to do that if i have a dedicated pc running opnsense?
2022-12-01 12:19:39	another|	everyone should have a basic firewall IMHO
2022-12-01 12:28:08	Catemiko	Hello there, may someone help with EDID. 3 months ago i overclocked my screen from 60 Hz to 90 Hz by modifying EDID and load it as kernel mode setting. But recently i noticed that screen got back to 60 Hz. I checked dmesg and found out that EDID applied with error code -2.
2022-12-01 13:01:18	SysGhost	Catemiko: How was/is the edid bin applied?
2022-12-01 13:03:38	SysGhost	I suspect you could try applying it with both kernel cmdline and X/wayland configuration
2022-12-01 13:06:24	SysGhost	*hmmm*.. .error -2 would be a missing file or incorrect permissions.
2022-12-01 13:07:20	SysGhost	if you're applying it early on, you need to include the edid file in the initramfs file
2022-12-01 13:11:17	Catemiko	I mean it was fine. I not changed anything and it just stopped working. Im not doing early apply.
2022-12-01 13:16:02	SysGhost	Check paths, permissions and make sure the file is still accessible.
2022-12-01 13:21:32	SysGhost	also try regenerate your initramfs file with it included in the FILES= list. See /etc/mkinitcpio.conf
2022-12-01 13:22:51	SysGhost	i.e. FILES="/usr/lib/firmware/your_edid.bin" # Change the filename to fit your case.
2022-12-01 13:26:17	Catemiko	Checked /usr/lib/firmware/edid files and permissions. Its fine.
2022-12-01 14:27:23	mpan	Is something wrong with the today’s ISO over torrent download? Out of 120 peers my client sees, none have even a single piece of the file.
2022-12-01 14:29:38	melty	Im pretty paranoid and just downloaded the ISO file. Should I not install?
2022-12-01 14:29:53	Namarrgon	you're paranoid
2022-12-01 14:30:12	mpan	The file is also missing from all mirrors I just checked.
2022-12-01 14:30:24	mpan	melty: no, you probably get the previous release. np
2022-12-01 14:30:43	mpan	melty: if you checked the GPG signature, which you are told to always do, you are perfectly safe no matter what I say. :)
2022-12-01 14:31:34	melty	Ok, but how do I know im using the legit arch site and not a spoof? Cant they just match the gpg to make it look legit?
2022-12-01 14:32:36	mpan	melty: it’s up to you to find a way to verify that the GPG key you have belongs to its owner. Though that would be spoofing not only Arch website, but also the keyserver from which you obtain the key.
2022-12-01 14:33:18	Namarrgon	did you verify the signature?
2022-12-01 14:33:18	Namarrgon	!ping
2022-12-01 14:33:18	phrik	pong
2022-12-01 14:33:37	opt1mus	and at that point; how far down the rabbit hole do you go, especially asking random people you don't know on IRC
2022-12-01 14:33:47	mpan	Anyway, moving it to -releng.
2022-12-01 14:33:57	astralc	Chain of trust. How far down you need to trust?
2022-12-01 14:38:34	Yamakaja	Ugh nvidia, so after updating to the latest kernel (or rather 6.0.10) the nvidia driver is getting hung up on my 1050 and wont show any output beyond the basic boot terminal. When i try to start x, the session crashes and dmesg logs something about a "divide error: 0000 [#1] PREEMPT SMP NOPTI" in the nvidia module. Luckily it works with a different
2022-12-01 14:38:34	Yamakaja	(nvidia) GPU ...
2022-12-01 14:39:13	Yamakaja	Did anyone else around here experience that aswell? I'm not ruling out a hardware failure (I just switched monitors when it first started to happen)
2022-12-01 14:39:14	Namarrgon	post the xorg and kernel log
2022-12-01 14:39:19	Namarrgon	not bad, a four minute ping
2022-12-01 14:43:27	mpan	Namarrgon: are you sure it’s not your client misreporting something? I can ping-pong you if you want. 14:43 mpan time here.
2022-12-01 14:44:08	Yamakaja	So this is what the kernel spat out https://pastebin.com/raw/GfvJsE9Q
2022-12-01 14:44:09	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/okrd.txt
2022-12-01 14:44:18	Namarrgon	mpan: https://paste.xinu.at/QMMD0/
2022-12-01 14:44:46	mpan	Oh, but it is fixed now. :)
2022-12-01 14:44:49	mpan	nvm, nvm
2022-12-01 14:44:50	Namarrgon	yeah
2022-12-01 14:44:57	mpan	We have seen your message at :39.
2022-12-01 14:45:03	Namarrgon	Yamakaja: pacman -Q linux nvidia nvidia-utils
2022-12-01 14:45:38	Yamakaja	Namarrgon should all be latest: linux 6.0.10.arch2-1 nvidia 525.60.11-1 nvidia-utils 525.60.11-1
2022-12-01 14:46:10	Metroid	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/76708
2022-12-01 14:46:12	phrik	Title: FS#76708 : [nvidia] 525.60.11-1 not working (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-12-01 14:46:25	Metroid	bugreport has already been filed, i ran into the same issue
2022-12-01 14:46:39	Yamakaja	Ah, perfect
2022-12-01 14:46:48	Metroid	look at my comment for the fix 
2022-12-01 14:47:08	Metroid	use downgrade tool from AUR :)
2022-12-01 14:47:14	Namarrgon	"fix"
2022-12-01 14:47:20	Metroid	workaround
2022-12-01 14:47:25	Namarrgon	but Ennea tested it and said it works!
2022-12-01 14:48:11	Yamakaja	Metroid which tool are you using? I always download the older packages from the archive manually, which can get a little annoying
2022-12-01 14:48:29	Namarrgon	you might still have the old version in the cache
2022-12-01 14:48:30	Metroid	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/downgrade
2022-12-01 14:48:34	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - downgrade (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-12-01 14:48:51	Yamakaja	Namarrgon nope, unfortunately i just cleaned that out to free up some 50G ^^
2022-12-01 14:49:15	Ennea	Namarrgon, i tested what now? :D
2022-12-01 14:49:30	Namarrgon	the nvidia drivers
2022-12-01 14:49:32	Ennea	the new nvidia drivers? yea, they worked perfectly fine
2022-12-01 14:49:33	Metroid	you should try to keep previous versions of packages for stuff like this
2022-12-01 14:49:41	Yamakaja	Well, the new driver also works for me now with my 3060 Ti, it just didn't like the 1050 for some reason
2022-12-01 14:49:57	Yamakaja	Or maybe it was the fact that i had two GPUs in there
2022-12-01 14:49:58	Ennea	Namarrgon, different card than Yamakaja, though :)
2022-12-01 14:50:08	Ennea	ah, you have a 3060 as well?
2022-12-01 14:50:09	Metroid	i've a 3060ti , xorg and wayland would not load
2022-12-01 14:50:15	Yamakaja	3060 Ti + 1050
2022-12-01 14:50:15	Ennea	then maybe it's just the 10 series having issues
2022-12-01 14:50:37	Metroid	i'm using nvidia-open-dkms and latest kernel from repo
2022-12-01 14:51:13	jelle	Metroid: nvidia-open != nvidia
2022-12-01 14:52:58	jelle	at least nvidia-settings no longer uses gtk3 \o/
2022-12-01 14:53:02	jelle	*gtk2
2022-12-01 14:53:02	Metroid	i would assumed they would fall under the same thing since same versions
2022-12-01 14:53:09	Metroid	but i guess they are seperate packages
2022-12-01 14:54:10	Ennea	nvidia packages relate to the proprietary drivers. nvidia-open - correct me if i'm wrong - are the open source "equivalents"
2022-12-01 14:54:15	Ennea	equivalent here being used _very_ liberally
2022-12-01 14:54:29	jelle	"open"
2022-12-01 14:55:13	mpan	[re: release issue] It seems that, for the first time in 12 years, I was simply too quick with downloading. No issues.
2022-12-01 14:55:25	Ennea	jelle, "open" also being used liberally, good call ;p
2022-12-01 14:55:41	Metroid	maybe i'll switch to nvidia-dkms package and see if its borked for me too
2022-12-01 14:56:40	jelle	Ennea: I would go with, if it's not the same source, it's not the same thing. But then again I don't have an nvidia gpu (thank god)
2022-12-01 14:59:31	Metroid	yeah think next time i'll go AMD
2022-12-01 15:05:13	Ennea	jelle, yea, that sounds very agreeable
2022-12-01 15:05:22	Ennea	Metroid, i'll decide the next time i need a new gpu
2022-12-01 15:05:35	Ennea	i've been happy with ati/amd in the past, but i'm also happy with nvidia right now
2022-12-01 15:17:30	Scimmia	Metroid: as I mentioned in the bug report, did you rebuild your initramfs?
2022-12-01 16:13:51	Metroid	i think i have a pacman hook to auto do that
2022-12-01 16:14:33	Metroid	yeah i do
2022-12-01 16:15:09	Metroid	oh wait it's configured for nvidia-dkms
2022-12-01 16:16:48	Metroid	i'll try another update now
2022-12-01 16:22:59	Metroid	yeah that was the issue Scimmia , cheers
2022-12-01 16:35:22	bernd	Hi, I was looking for the December ISO. It's mentioned on the download page, but Deluge cannot download the new file. I've checked some mirrors - no ISO in the December download folder.
2022-12-01 16:35:57	mpan	bernd: already known. Wait for it.
2022-12-01 16:36:08	mpan	Supposedly it needs time to propagate, according to -releng.
2022-12-01 16:36:51	bernd	mpan: Thanks for the quick reply!
2022-12-01 16:36:54	moviuro	mpan: shouldn't torrent deal with that issue? I'm at 0%
2022-12-01 16:36:55	mpan	… thought it needs to propagate for over 2h now, with available literally nothing. :)
2022-12-01 16:37:10	mpan	moviuro: so am I, and it seems no mirror has a copy yet. But I asked at -releng and I am conveying their message.
2022-12-01 16:37:34	mpan	moviuro: torrent peers still must to obtain it from somewhere, so if no mirror has it, they will not have it either.
2022-12-01 16:37:52	jelle	mpan: it has webseeds
2022-12-01 16:38:12	moviuro	releasing the file early on one mirror should, in my limited undestanding, help propagate the torrent
2022-12-01 16:38:39	mpan	jelle: please see the backlog. Mirrors do not contain the ISO.
2022-12-01 16:38:53	mpan	jelle: it’s nowhere to be found.
2022-12-01 16:39:15	jelle	then pierres fucked up :D
2022-12-01 16:39:18	mpan	I mean… I did not check all mirrors, but currently I did two checks, 15 random mirrors each.
2022-12-01 16:39:35	mpan	Anyway, I already contacted -releng on that and they told me everything is fine and just wait.
2022-12-01 16:41:36	jelle	mpan: mail send
2022-12-01 16:44:01	andi_	anybody does have an idea how i can fix Can't find libdevice directory ${CUDA_DIR}/nvvm/libdevice with cuda? the missing lib is installed on /opt/cuda/nvvm/libdevice/ but it seems like something is missing so i need to copy the .so 
2022-12-01 17:45:34	mpan	moviuro: you can download the ISO now.
2022-12-01 17:46:52	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-12-01 17:48:51	nl6720	from the torrent only for now. the mirrors still have an empty dir from what I can see
2022-12-01 17:49:41	mpan	nl6720: perhaps they will pick it up in time.
2022-12-01 17:50:38	moviuro	mpan: already seeding, thanks
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2022-12-01 18:17:25	Bayes	I always wondered about this https://stackoverflow.com/a/9163446/20521992
2022-12-01 18:17:26	phrik	Title: security - Why is `sudo` Slow When Password is Incorrect? - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
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2022-12-01 18:20:30	gehidore	to throttle your attempts, likely
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2022-12-01 18:26:37	mpan	You may have better chances of getting the answer in #security or #linux, or asking sudo.ws directly. 
2022-12-01 18:26:51	moviuro	wasn't there a timing issue with sudo?
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2022-12-01 18:28:26	mpan	Actually, I think it wasn’t sudo itself that introduces the delay, but PAM.
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2022-12-01 18:39:06	ℹ 	ayusta es conocido ahora como ayustae
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2022-12-01 19:00:39	frojnd	Hm.. can't figure out why my thinkfan won't spin
2022-12-01 19:00:54	frojnd	thinkfan.service says it's active without errors
2022-12-01 19:01:10	frojnd	Nov 30 21:54:51 homelap thinkfan[2560]: Temperatures(bias): 48(0) -> Fans: level 0
2022-12-01 19:01:21	frojnd	Not sure where are those rules about levels and temperatures
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2022-12-01 19:19:31	ℹ 	justache- es conocido ahora como justache
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2022-12-01 19:51:12	lester29	are zfs kernel snapshots possible if secure boot is used?
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2022-12-01 20:21:23	MichaelP	Been having problems with gnome 43 suspending and having to log back in when playing youtube videos. I noticed it's only under wayland.. X11 seems normal.. But it did not start doing this until gnome 43..
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2022-12-01 20:32:48	lester29	is uefi secure boot in your opinion a good idea?
2022-12-01 20:33:16	heat	yeah sure
2022-12-01 20:33:30	heat	it's safer than not having it for sure
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2022-12-02 17:22:48	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-12-02 16:59:15	ldiamond	Anyone else is having distorted sound via MPD? I just tried getting something from youtube with youtube-dl and comparing the output via MPD and browser, very different. I hear a lot of crackling via MPD.
2022-12-02 17:01:05	ldiamond	Also playing the same file from `mpv` sounds great.
2022-12-02 17:31:44	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2022-12-02 17:32:16	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-02 17:39:54	ℹ 	cdown_ es conocido ahora como cdown
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2022-12-02 17:57:57	BetweenUs	how to copy to clipboard in vim on a server where I'm not admin?
2022-12-02 18:00:04	chowbok	Why would it matter if you were admin? You don't need root to copy stuff from vim
2022-12-02 18:00:48	BetweenUs	beacuse I can't install gvim
2022-12-02 18:00:54	BetweenUs	to use: "*y
2022-12-02 18:01:01	BetweenUs	as I can on my machine
2022-12-02 18:02:02	BetweenUs	what practice is the best?
2022-12-02 18:03:18	BetweenUs	I can: cat somefile.txt and then copy with the: ctrl shift C
2022-12-02 18:08:24	BetweenUs	without gvim installed I can't "*y
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2022-12-02 18:13:40	chowbok	https://vim.fandom.com/wiki/Copy,_cut_and_paste
2022-12-02 18:13:42	phrik	Title: Copy, cut and paste | Vim Tips Wiki | Fandom (at vim.fandom.com)
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2022-12-02 18:15:46	MrElendig	you can abuse xclip/xcut if those are insalled
2022-12-02 18:15:48	MrElendig	installed*
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2022-12-02 18:21:14	mpan	In the worst case scenario, you may compile gvim with some directory in your home as the PREFIX. It’s just a few MB after build.
2022-12-02 18:21:36	MrElendig	worst case scenario just use plain X copy/paste instead
2022-12-02 18:21:42	mpan	However, since you have a VNC or remote xorg there, I assume it would be sane to have gvim… so perhaps ask the admin to install it?
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2022-12-02 18:21:54	MrElendig	shift-mark with mouse, middle click
2022-12-02 18:22:18	MrElendig	hm without gvim you probably don't need shift either
2022-12-02 18:22:23	mpan	MrElendig: gvim is needed for that too.
2022-12-02 18:22:29	MrElendig	mpan: no
2022-12-02 18:22:40	mpan	Oh, shift-mark. Not mark in vim. Right.
2022-12-02 18:22:57	MrElendig	with mouse disabled in vim you shouldn't need shift either
2022-12-02 18:23:05	mpan	Yes, yes. I misread what you meant.
2022-12-02 18:23:15	dagle	gvim? D:
2022-12-02 18:23:38	gaku	i guess on something like sway/alacritty you could w! to the alacritty clipboard thingy, r! would be something else, like wl-paste
2022-12-02 18:24:01	MrElendig	same as with xsel/xcut
2022-12-02 18:24:01	gaku	unless there's some escape for that as well
2022-12-02 18:24:08	MrElendig	xclip*
2022-12-02 18:25:21	gaku	i have a silly script called vtclip, that wraps the given content as base64 and feeds it to the terminal with <ESC>]52;c;<base64><ESC>
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2022-12-02 18:48:18	dagle	Or you can just use the +register?
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2022-12-02 18:48:56	mpan	dagle: not available in Arch’s vim (no clipboards enabled). gvim package needed.
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2022-12-02 18:49:10	dagle	mpan: That is why you use neovim!
2022-12-02 18:49:22	mpan	xD
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2022-12-02 18:49:57	mpan	If the admin installed xorg but not gvim, I assume neovim is not present either. :>
2022-12-02 18:50:15	dagle	Oh, it's not your computer?
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2022-12-02 18:50:26	mpan	Anyway, the OP has lost interest and is no longer here.
2022-12-02 18:50:41	mpan	dagle: no, it was BetweenUs’s question.
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2022-12-02 18:51:20	BetweenUs	thank you very much MrElendig, mpan, I forgot middle click, totally!
2022-12-02 18:51:25	mpan	oh
2022-12-02 18:51:43	mpan	But remember that middle click, as described by MrElendig, will work only if the text fits into your terminal window.
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2022-12-02 18:52:20	BetweenUs	dagle: register doesn't work
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2022-12-02 18:53:43	BetweenUs	mpan: you mean if I visually select more then "one monitor" it will not work? 
2022-12-02 18:54:46	BetweenUs	yea,
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2022-12-02 18:56:21	BetweenUs	I only need to see and memorize midlle click with touchpad
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2022-12-02 19:09:32	mpan	BetweenUs: sry, had to leave urgently. I do not know what do you mean by “one monitor”. If I assume right, what MrElendig meant, it is selecting text from the terminal. As seen by the terminal, just characters displayed. If the text, you want to select, doesn’t fit into the terminal, you will not be able to select it.
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2022-12-02 19:11:32	Tom^	[system] Rejected: destination has a full message queue, 0 matched rules; type="method_call" , and [system] Rejected: destination has a full message queue, 0 matched rules; type="error" and just fills it.
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2022-12-03 13:16:55	bonezbones	is it worth using syslinux?
2022-12-03 13:17:17	jelle	bonezbones: on uefi, no
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2022-12-03 13:17:41	bonezbones	jelle: ok ty
2022-12-03 13:17:54	bonezbones	jelle: so systemd or grub for uefi?
2022-12-03 13:17:58	jelle	bonezbones: most people use systemd-boot or grub :)
2022-12-03 13:18:16	bonezbones	jelle: i'll stick with systemd then :-)
2022-12-03 13:19:01	jelle	bonezbones: that is the easiest and most kiss one
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2022-12-03 15:29:24	B-|	i'm sorry
2022-12-03 15:29:27	megumin	just tell me the correct command
2022-12-03 15:29:41	B-|	lol
2022-12-03 15:29:50	jelle	megumin: there is no correct command, no one understands what you are trying to do
2022-12-03 15:30:15	B-|	can anyone JUST TELL ME how to remap ctrl+j
2022-12-03 15:30:16	megumin	i'm trying to create a contaner without pacstrap
2022-12-03 15:30:28	rsupp	hello, I added the resume hook in mkinitcpio.conf and added a resume= parameter in /etc/default/grub but then after rebooting grub did not load the menu but immediately shut down again and the uefi settings were loaded; I tried to undo these changes using a USB stick and chroot but it still does not boot
2022-12-03 15:30:28	B-|	with xkb config
2022-12-03 15:30:33	megumin	i want to use overlayfs
2022-12-03 15:30:50	mpan	!bail
2022-12-03 15:30:51	phrik	Looks like mpan is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2022-12-03 15:31:03	jelle	megumin: systemd-nspawn is a tool to start an OS/container/whatever, not to create one
2022-12-03 15:31:04	jelle	!next
2022-12-03 15:31:05	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-12-03 15:31:11	MrElendig	rsupp: did you regenerate the config?
2022-12-03 15:31:22	MrElendig	and put it in the correct place
2022-12-03 15:31:45	megumin	how to create it
2022-12-03 15:32:00	MrElendig	rsupp: also, long time since you ran grub-install ?
2022-12-03 15:32:10	jelle	megumin: hi, we don't appreciate this behaviour here
2022-12-03 15:32:30	megumin	what behaviour?
2022-12-03 15:32:36	MrElendig	rsupp: there was a update to grub wich introduced some incompatible config file changes, so if you have an old grub on the esp/mbr, it will fail wiht a newly generated config
2022-12-03 15:32:42	B-|	megumin: "just tell me"
2022-12-03 15:32:44	MrElendig	rsupp: fix for that is to grub-install again
2022-12-03 15:32:46	jelle	megumin: how you are trying to get support
2022-12-03 15:33:13	megumin	>Failed to mount overlay (type overlay) on /tmp/container/usr (0 "lowerdir=/usr,upperdir=/usr,workdir=/.#usr01fb158d199f3960"): Too many levels of symbolic links
2022-12-03 15:33:18	megumin	what does it mean
2022-12-03 15:33:34	jelle	megumin: if you don't improve, I'll gladly quite you
2022-12-03 15:34:06	B-|	megumin: if you don't improve, i will gladly kill you /joking
2022-12-03 15:34:22	rsupp	MrElendig I ran grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub.cfg and did pacman -S linux instead of mkinitcpio -P because the latter did not work immediately because of versions
2022-12-03 15:34:30	jelle	B-|: please don't
2022-12-03 15:34:41	megumin	no, i mean the error
2022-12-03 15:34:58	jelle	megumin: the error is irrelevant
2022-12-03 15:36:24	B-|	megumin: have you tried asking systemd people how their stuff works?
2022-12-03 15:36:40	jelle	B-|: no
2022-12-03 15:36:43	megumin	i didn't
2022-12-03 15:36:48	jelle	don't let the user harass #systemd :P
2022-12-03 15:36:53	B-|	i don't see a page on archwiki for that
2022-12-03 15:37:29	MrElendig	rsupp: as said, if it was a long time since the last grub-install, run it again
2022-12-03 15:37:51	jelle	megumin: you need pacstrap to make an arch container
2022-12-03 15:38:20	rsupp	ok I get an error this GPT partition label contains no BIOS boot partition embedding won't be possible
2022-12-03 15:38:42	megumin	it redownload system packages
2022-12-03 15:39:30	jelle	megumin: yes, it basically creates a new chroot
2022-12-03 15:40:10	megumin	but i already have these packages
2022-12-03 15:40:40	jelle	megumin: see pacstrap -c
2022-12-03 15:43:24	megumin	you didn't understand i don't wont to install it again
2022-12-03 15:43:51	megumin	i want to use current system tree
2022-12-03 15:44:07	jelle	megumin: this is the first time you are telling us what you want to achieve
2022-12-03 15:44:23	megumin	really?
2022-12-03 15:44:51	jelle	yes
2022-12-03 15:45:28	MrElendig	rsupp: not using uefi?
2022-12-03 15:45:42	MrElendig	rsupp: if not, more than one disk?
2022-12-03 15:45:44	rsupp	I do I'm dumb and read the wrong section in the wiki article
2022-12-03 15:47:08	rsupp	it works again, thank you very much MrElendig
2022-12-03 15:48:23	jelle	megumin: then https://0pointer.net/blog/testing-my-system-code-in-usr-without-modifying-usr.html is at least interesting
2022-12-03 15:48:24	phrik	Title: Testing my System Code in /usr/ Without Modifying /usr/ (at 0pointer.net)
2022-12-03 15:50:15	melty	https://drewdevault.com/2016/08/18/Arch-Linux-with-full-disk-encryption-in-15-minutes.html
2022-12-03 15:50:17	phrik	Title: [VIDEO] Arch Linux with full disk encryption in (about) 15 minutes (at drewdevault.com)
2022-12-03 15:50:47	melty	Im enjoying these bots that tell you the description on link
2022-12-03 15:55:19	B-|	we should kill phrik
2022-12-03 15:55:31	B-|	clearly a spammer
2022-12-03 15:58:55	phrik	would you like some spam spam spam egg spam bacon spam and spam?
2022-12-03 16:03:41	B-|	what the fuck
2022-12-03 16:07:17	mpan	Skynet is waking up. The real cause for Terminator was noise caused by someone on #archlinux.
2022-12-03 16:10:32	cyphertite	mpan: ^TIL ;p
2022-12-03 16:10:47	girafe	it's serge who caused skynet
2022-12-03 16:10:54	girafe	on #opensuse-fr
2022-12-03 16:11:09	linsux	plex-htpc cannot compile
2022-12-03 16:11:43	linsux	install: cannot stat '/home/user1/.cache/paru/clone/plex-htpc/pkg/plex-htpc/opt/plex-htpc/lib/libavutil.so.56': No such file or directory
2022-12-03 16:24:11	MrElendig	linsux: partial update
2022-12-03 16:24:28	MrElendig	or some horribly bundled lib?
2022-12-03 16:25:06	MrElendig	try nuking the cache and then rebuild
2022-12-03 17:03:29	docmax__	ji have a question my friends
2022-12-03 17:04:02	docmax	after some updates i have apps which dont start
2022-12-03 17:04:16	docmax	libssl.so.1.1: cannot open shared object file - for example
2022-12-03 17:04:26	docmax	so i have to recompile
2022-12-03 17:04:36	mpan	docmax: either you did a partial upgrade or you have some packages you built yourself and forgot to rebuild them.
2022-12-03 17:04:42	docmax	could this be automatically checked by pacman?
2022-12-03 17:05:09	docmax	mpan, those packages mostly are from AUR
2022-12-03 17:05:21	mpan	Possibly
2022-12-03 17:05:57	MrElendig	there is a script floating around to check what needs a rebuild
2022-12-03 17:06:48	docmax	https://archlinux.org/packages/community/any/rebuild-detector/ ?
2022-12-03 17:06:50	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - rebuild-detector 4.4.1-2 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2022-12-03 17:07:01	docmax	cool!
2022-12-03 17:07:01	mpan	pacman can check sonames, so if you put the particular libraries WITH PARTICULAR VERSIONS in your PKGBUILD, then it will be able to detect a conflict and stop the update.
2022-12-03 17:12:48	melty	AUR is sus
2022-12-03 17:20:09	docmax	sus?
2022-12-03 17:20:56	melty	Anyone can upload A N Y T H I N G
2022-12-03 17:22:49	docmax	s = anyone, u = can upload, s = anything ... makes sense
2022-12-03 17:25:27	mingdao	https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sus
2022-12-03 17:25:28	phrik	Title: Sus Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster (at www.merriam-webster.com)
2022-12-03 17:27:31	B-|	docmax: put a keylogger in one of the orphan packages
2022-12-03 17:27:52	B-|	anyone who clicks enter when installing with yay will just get hacked
2022-12-03 17:28:47	another|	mingdao: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgS1H3cFpMY
2022-12-03 17:31:46	docmax	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Rebuilderd  does this the same as rebuild-detector?
2022-12-03 17:31:48	phrik	Title: Rebuilderd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-03 17:33:05	Scimmia	no
2022-12-03 17:34:08	Scimmia	docmax: just run lddtree on the binary that's failing, that'll tell you what's pulling in the old lib so you know what to rebuild
2022-12-03 17:35:09	docmax	checkrebuild | awk '{print $2}' | xargs -r yay -S --rebuildtree --nocnfirm
2022-12-03 17:35:24	docmax	this is cool
2022-12-03 17:35:54	mingdao	another|: the second word is not clear enough for me; suppose you could /query it so we don't get spanked ;)
2022-12-03 17:40:24	another|	mingdao: "cringe"
2022-12-03 17:40:34	MrElendig	don't need xargs
2022-12-03 17:40:48	MrElendig	yay .... -
2022-12-03 17:41:21	MrElendig	bonus point: can avoid issues with build order
2022-12-03 17:41:27	MrElendig	build/install
2022-12-03 17:54:56	bcrumb	does anyone know how to mv,cp,etc. multiple files at once but with brace expansion
2022-12-03 17:54:58	bcrumb	?
2022-12-03 17:55:28	bcrumb	say i have 4 files that start with 00- and i would like to replace for each file 00-{,suffix-}
2022-12-03 17:55:39	MrElendig	test with echo
2022-12-03 17:56:05	MrElendig	if what you are actually trying to do is rename though, then use perl-rename
2022-12-03 17:56:13	bcrumb	yeah rename
2022-12-03 17:56:29	MrElendig	(might want a backup first too)
2022-12-03 17:56:49	bcrumb	for example, mv 00-{,suffix-}* does not work
2022-12-03 17:56:54	bcrumb	because it expands into all
2022-12-03 17:57:44	MrElendig	https://man.archlinux.org/man/rename.1p.en
2022-12-03 17:57:46	phrik	Title: rename(1p) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2022-12-03 17:57:48	MrElendig	is what you want
2022-12-03 17:58:03	MrElendig	otherwise, for loop and cp
2022-12-03 17:58:17	bcrumb	right thanls
2022-12-03 17:58:19	bcrumb	thanks
2022-12-03 17:58:27	bcrumb	i just found it when u said perl-rename
2022-12-03 17:58:28	MrElendig	(or find and cp)
2022-12-03 17:58:39	bcrumb	kk
2022-12-03 17:58:43	MrElendig	there is a non-perl rename too, but it sucks
2022-12-03 17:59:10	MrElendig	tip for perl-rename, use -n until you get it right
2022-12-03 17:59:35	bcrumb	worked like a charm!!
2022-12-03 17:59:39	bcrumb	thnks :)
2022-12-03 17:59:54	bcrumb	needed just a simple functionality
2022-12-03 18:04:36	B-|	rename.1p?
2022-12-03 18:04:37	B-|	no
2022-12-03 18:04:38	B-|	no
2022-12-03 18:04:39	B-|	no
2022-12-03 18:04:39	B-|	no
2022-12-03 18:05:08	B-|	No manual entry for rename in section 1p
2022-12-03 18:05:35	B-|	i thought i missed such a posix utility
2022-12-03 18:05:51	MrElendig	works better if you install it
2022-12-03 18:08:07	B-|	there is no such thing as a rename utility in posix
2022-12-03 18:08:14	B-|	i refuse to believe it
2022-12-03 18:11:29	uuidNuniq	perl rename is over complicated 
2022-12-03 18:12:09	MrElendig	uuidNuniq: while rename is next to useless
2022-12-03 18:12:25	MrElendig	rename from util-linux that is
2022-12-03 18:13:02	uuidNuniq	with the help of zsh, let's just mv
2022-12-03 18:14:05	MrElendig	but then you have to loop
2022-12-03 18:14:30	MrElendig	ain't nobody got time to write their own for loops
2022-12-03 18:48:04	neys	anybody problems with openvpn connections since virtualbox 7.0.x on windows guests? in bridged mode i can connect to different servers, but more than icmp traffic does not tarverse the link. in nat mode, i can at least connnect, but the connections are far from stable. i have that problem on two hosts with arch and vb 7. any ideas?
2022-12-03 18:51:59	dongcarl	Is it possible to force a module to load early (e.g. nvme) with the linux command line or would I have to regenerate the initramfs?
2022-12-03 18:52:10	dongcarl	(linux kernel command line)
2022-12-03 19:10:49	MacGyver	dongcarl: No amount of early startup scripting is going to help you if the module isn't physically available to the kernel to be loaded.
2022-12-03 19:13:19	dongcarl	Right... Though I thought nvme was builtin to the kernel? Idk
2022-12-03 19:15:15	MacGyver	Nope, all modules.
2022-12-03 19:16:03	MacGyver	You *can* build kernel modules as kernel built-ins, but that's not how the NVMe for arch's kernels are shipped.
2022-12-03 19:28:47	river	adsfasdf
2022-12-03 19:28:51	river	fuck
2022-12-03 19:28:54	river	my fucking linux broke dude wtf
2022-12-03 19:29:16	river	any other xfce users have their system brake recently?
2022-12-03 19:29:30	grawity	more specifically?
2022-12-03 19:29:45	river	the bg pic was gone and all windows have no title bar and are stuck at the top left of the screen
2022-12-03 19:29:58	river	i fixed it by switching to cinnamon
2022-12-03 19:30:05	grawity	lol "fixed"
2022-12-03 19:30:39	coruja	!next
2022-12-03 19:30:40	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-12-03 19:30:44	coruja	 ;)
2022-12-03 19:30:58	bcrumb	same how i fixed kde by dropping x11 and switching to wayland
2022-12-03 19:31:07	grawity	if you need help *actually* fixing xfce, this is usually the place. if you're just here for "shit broke and I uninstalled it and don't care", post that on reddit
2022-12-03 19:31:12	grawity	get that karma
2022-12-03 19:31:20	river	ty
2022-12-03 19:32:45	bcrumb	⇪⇪
2022-12-03 19:37:05	zbe	Can someone explain to me how does closing fd affect this command here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Identify_files_not_owned_by_any_package ? Or in other words, without >&-, where does that piped extra output come from?
2022-12-03 19:37:07	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-03 19:38:29	grawity	-Qo prints the package owner to stdout, and "error: not owned by any package" messages to stderr
2022-12-03 19:38:56	grawity	the example doesn't care about stdout so just closes it
2022-12-03 19:39:07	grawity	and redirects only stderr to stdout, for piping via |
2022-12-03 19:39:45	grawity	it looks a bit weird though with the >/dev/null in there
2022-12-03 19:39:48	zbe	Ah I totally forgot about intended use for -Qo.
2022-12-03 19:40:10	zbe	Yes that was my next question, why do we need to pipe closed fd to dev null
2022-12-03 19:40:47	grawity	I'm not sure why 2>&1 comes before >&- as well
2022-12-03 19:41:34	grawity	oh right
2022-12-03 19:41:52	grawity	I think it works out to 1) stderr = stdout; 2) close(stdout); 3) stdout = open("/dev/null")
2022-12-03 19:42:41	grawity	but I still think the >&- is redundant if >/dev/null is present
2022-12-03 19:42:56	grawity	as it'd close the original stdout anyway
2022-12-03 19:43:18	grawity	you definitely don't want to just close stdout without re-opening it though
2022-12-03 19:43:42	zbe	Roger
2022-12-03 19:44:13	zbe	Well testing it, >&- doesn't seem redundant at all, even with >/dev/null present
2022-12-03 19:44:44	grawity	how so?
2022-12-03 19:45:53	zbe	'find /etc | LC_ALL=C pacman -Qqo - 2>&1 >/dev/null | cat' will still print stdout for some reason?
2022-12-03 19:47:10	grawity	it doesn't seem to print any "owned by" messages here,
2022-12-03 19:48:34	zbe	First I get 'error: non package owns ...' lines and after lines with package names
2022-12-03 19:49:21	zbe	It only happens when I pipe it further
2022-12-03 19:49:45	zbe	Eg. into cat
2022-12-03 19:50:12	zbe	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-12-03 20:09:16	zbe	Eh, I'm using zsh, it's different output in bash.
2022-12-03 20:13:15	airmailsteam	I am having a weird ethernet issue. I have never used a wired connection before so never bothered to check. But my laptop by default (as per lspci -v) uses r8169 by default for ethernet but nothing happens. My router and nmtui both say no device is plugged in. I tried switching to r8168 by blacklisting r8169.
2022-12-03 20:13:33	airmailsteam	But it kept spamming the logs that bad dllp and my laptop was frozen
2022-12-03 20:14:03	airmailsteam	ip link show dev enp3s0 says: 2: enp3s0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
2022-12-03 20:14:42	airmailsteam	but there's this line dmesg | grep r816: [   12.336921] r8169 0000:03:00.0 enp3s0: Link is Down
2022-12-03 20:16:04	grawity	both lines agree that the link is down
2022-12-03 20:16:21	airmailsteam	so now I uninstalled r8168 and am back to kernel default r8169. dmesg says link down and my router says that no device plugged in, i have checked the wire, it's good
2022-12-03 20:16:44	Namarrgon	how did you check the "wire"?
2022-12-03 20:17:11	airmailsteam	plugging it into a windows machine and the router
2022-12-03 20:17:14	grawity	what was the "bad dllp" thing you mentioned?
2022-12-03 20:19:02	airmailsteam	with r8168, as soon as I booted I noticed systemd-journald using 100% cpu. And the kernel logs were full of r8168 bad data link layer BadDLLP
2022-12-03 20:19:47	airmailsteam	Is the port toast? I mean the module is loaded and the OS knows that it exists, so something else should be the problem, right? wifi works fine
2022-12-03 20:19:59	Namarrgon	can you post that log?
2022-12-03 20:20:09	grawity	the port could be toast, yes
2022-12-03 20:20:20	airmailsteam	Dec 03 19:54:46 dell kernel: r8168 0000:03:00.0:    [ 7] BadDLLP               
2022-12-03 20:20:26	airmailsteam	This over and over and over
2022-12-03 20:20:28	Namarrgon	the whole thing, if possible
2022-12-03 20:20:32	grawity	but it could also be a driver bug (or a particularly weird chip variant that the driver can't cope with)
2022-12-03 20:20:53	grawity	r8168 is an out-of-tree thing?
2022-12-03 20:21:00	MrElendig	yes
2022-12-03 20:21:11	airmailsteam	journalctl is at 100% by just viewing the logs!
2022-12-03 20:21:26	MrElendig	usually the correct driver to use for 8168/9 devices since the in kernel driver is trash
2022-12-03 20:21:30	jtritz	been a while since i ran updates :( having some trouble with keys
2022-12-03 20:21:46	MrElendig	airmailsteam: testwith the lts kernel
2022-12-03 20:22:06	grawity	hmm r8169 has been working ok in recent kernels now for me
2022-12-03 20:22:24	MrElendig	8169 have never been stable for me :(
2022-12-03 20:22:25	airmailsteam	Alrighty, I am on the same laptop with wifi so I would log out and reboot into lts, but is there anything else I should do before that?
2022-12-03 20:22:50	MrElendig	wish realtek would upstream all their drivers
2022-12-03 20:23:18	jtritz	getting a handful of "sigature from .... is marginal trust"
2022-12-03 20:23:19	airmailsteam	!paste
2022-12-03 20:23:19	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-12-03 20:24:26	MrElendig	could be a firmware update too, so check for an update (uefi firmware that is)
2022-12-03 20:24:34	MrElendig	firmware issue*
2022-12-03 20:25:29	MrElendig	could also try  pcie_aspm=off
2022-12-03 20:25:40	airmailsteam	firmware is as up to date as it gets. It's an old dell vostro 3000 series something with intel i5 7th gen. Before rebooting into lts I collected some logs here https://bpa.st/ZBJQ
2022-12-03 20:25:41	phrik	Title: View paste ZBJQ (at bpa.st)
2022-12-03 20:27:10	[7666]	>7th gen
2022-12-03 20:27:13	[7666]	>old
2022-12-03 20:27:24	[7666]	ugh. the world moves too fast
2022-12-03 20:29:37	airmailsteam	booted into the lts kernel, but ethernet still not working :/
2022-12-03 20:31:10	airmailsteam	same stuff as in the paste above
2022-12-03 20:35:56	airmailsteam	Is the pcie_aspm=off stuff a kernel command line param?
2022-12-03 21:27:58	bluetail	if u put it into the right spot, everything is a kernel line param
2022-12-03 21:31:14	tatsumaru	just found out that debian-based distros have a package manager that will only look for packages in the nearest mirror and if that mirror returns 404 the upgrade will fail without attempting to check the next best mirror. this is so much better in arch - i've been spoiled...
2022-12-03 21:31:46	bluetail	no
2022-12-03 21:32:00	bluetail	in arch if your mirrors are unreachable, they do not work 
2022-12-03 21:32:02	bluetail	same in debian
2022-12-03 21:32:18	bluetail	you have to ensure the mirrors that you use are "good"
2022-12-03 21:32:23	tatsumaru	bluetail: what I mean is, if a mirror doesn't work in arch, arch will look in another mirror no?
2022-12-03 21:32:30	bluetail	no it doesnt
2022-12-03 21:32:36	bluetail	it has like 5 mirrors by default
2022-12-03 21:32:48	bluetail	if all dont work, the user need to change it
2022-12-03 21:32:57	sheep	pacman will try to download from another selected mirror
2022-12-03 21:33:01	tatsumaru	5 is still better than one
2022-12-03 21:33:32	sheep	but if you do get a 404, it's almost always because a newer version of a package is in the repos and you need to run pacman -Syu
2022-12-03 21:33:34	jelle	it's not 5, the mirrorlist is way bigger
2022-12-03 21:33:43	bluetail	It is?
2022-12-03 21:34:08	jelle	yes
2022-12-03 21:34:12	bluetail	Maybe I did something wrong? I was setting up mirrors to pick the best...
2022-12-03 21:34:23	jelle	you probably used reflector or something
2022-12-03 21:34:26	bluetail	yes
2022-12-03 21:34:57	jelle	there you go
2022-12-03 21:35:02	jelle	so that's not standard :)
2022-12-03 21:48:57	MrElendig	standard is everything commented :p
2022-12-03 21:48:58	ayekat	well, the default mirrorlist has all the mirrors commented out anyway (so essentially "0 mirrors" by default), and you'd pick the one(s) you want to use :-)
2022-12-03 21:49:08	ayekat	argh, ½ a second late
2022-12-03 21:59:11	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-03 22:09:40	uuidNuniq	bluetail: geo.pkgbuild.com is the only one you may want to use 
2022-12-03 22:10:42	uuidNuniq	EDIT: Server = https://geo.mirror.pkgbuild.com/$repo/os/$arch
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2022-12-03 23:23:42	NateDoge	https://imgur.com/a/ftfwXxH
2022-12-03 23:23:43	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
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2022-12-03 23:28:52	NateDoge	I use Gentoo by the way,
2022-12-03 23:29:31	Namarrgon	we have a separate channel for shitposting
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2022-12-04 08:20:36	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-04 08:20:36	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1414 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1413 normals)
2022-12-04 00:39:08	YesItsMe	It seems an attacker prevents specific ports from being used on our Linux Arch server running a game and a simple lighttpd website
2022-12-04 00:39:39	YesItsMe	according to nload there is only a very low amount of traffic
2022-12-04 00:40:02	YesItsMe	Changing the port of the website makes it appear again
2022-12-04 00:40:18	sheep	what port? did you check with tools such as ss or nmap?
2022-12-04 00:40:31	YesItsMe	It seems the issue is basically blocking all traffic on some ports 100%
2022-12-04 00:40:37	YesItsMe	80 for the webserver
2022-12-04 00:40:47	YesItsMe	I did check with ss
2022-12-04 00:40:58	sheep	did you check iptables/nftables rules?
2022-12-04 00:41:02	YesItsMe	but I was not sure how to use the tool well
2022-12-04 00:41:32	YesItsMe	No
2022-12-04 00:41:46	YesItsMe	what exactly should I be checking?
2022-12-04 00:42:16	sheep	ss -tlpn should show what process (p) is listening (l) on tcp ports (t), with the numeric value for the port instead of the port
2022-12-04 00:42:23	sheep	's name (n)
2022-12-04 00:42:34	YesItsMe	I tried just ss
2022-12-04 00:42:44	sheep	check all of the iptables and nftables rules to see if any of them are causing incoming TCP traffic on the affected ports to be rejected
2022-12-04 00:43:01	sheep	also, are you sure that the service that should be listening on that port is running?
2022-12-04 00:43:08	YesItsMe	yes
2022-12-04 00:43:26	YesItsMe	I was connected using ssh
2022-12-04 00:43:35	YesItsMe	the servercies run in screen sessions
2022-12-04 00:43:53	sheep	does ss -tlpn show that that service has that port?
2022-12-04 00:44:29	YesItsMe	let me check
2022-12-04 01:01:41	YesItsMe	sheep, sorry for the delay.
2022-12-04 01:01:44	YesItsMe	Yes it does.
2022-12-04 01:02:05	sheep	it could still be blocked by a firewall
2022-12-04 01:02:16	YesItsMe	atm the issue is also not occuring
2022-12-04 01:02:37	YesItsMe	but I suspect they will continue because there were breaks before
2022-12-04 01:03:20	sheep	what evidence do you have that itś an attacker?
2022-12-04 01:03:21	YesItsMe	LISTEN       0             1024                            0.0.0.0:80                       0.0.0.0:*           users:(("lighttpd",pid=7125,fd=3))
2022-12-04 01:03:42	YesItsMe	it was triggered after a speicifc user joined the game using a proxy
2022-12-04 01:03:49	YesItsMe	a new user
2022-12-04 01:04:02	YesItsMe	and later he also made comments about it like "onan go out again"
2022-12-04 01:04:08	YesItsMe	*Wonna
2022-12-04 01:04:50	sheep	maybe they're crashing the game somehow. Is it missing a security update? Is there anything strange in its logs or in journalctl -a around the time when it ;ast stopped working?
2022-12-04 01:05:08	YesItsMe	Afaik nobody is able to reach the game during it
2022-12-04 01:05:15	YesItsMe	normally the connections are in the console
2022-12-04 01:05:22	YesItsMe	but there are no connections logged
2022-12-04 01:05:46	YesItsMe	it is like the ports for our game and the webserer are unplugged
2022-12-04 01:06:13	YesItsMe	That is very strange to me.
2022-12-04 01:06:41	sheep	are the processes crashing or hanging?
2022-12-04 01:06:50	YesItsMe	Rebooting and ressetting the server files to a backup did not help either
2022-12-04 01:07:04	YesItsMe	I do not think they are hanging
2022-12-04 01:07:16	YesItsMe	CPU usage was normal as well
2022-12-04 01:07:47	sheep	are you sure that the game doesn't have some kind of denial of service vulnerability?
2022-12-04 01:08:10	YesItsMe	no
2022-12-04 01:08:35	YesItsMe	is it possible to DDOS in a way that is undetected by nload?
2022-12-04 01:08:53	sheep	DDOS, not sure
2022-12-04 01:09:13	sheep	but a simple DOS may be possible
2022-12-04 01:09:27	sheep	you should check with the game's developers
2022-12-04 01:09:39	YesItsMe	I will also reach out to them.
2022-12-04 01:10:04	YesItsMe	btw is there a difference between * and 0.0.0.0
2022-12-04 01:10:09	YesItsMe	in the ss summary
2022-12-04 01:10:31	sheep	in which column?
2022-12-04 01:10:53	YesItsMe	Local Address:Port
2022-12-04 01:11:41	sheep	0.0.0.0 is all available ipv4 addresses. I'm not sure about *
2022-12-04 01:11:52	YesItsMe	ah
2022-12-04 01:12:07	YesItsMe	so 0.0.0.0 might mean upv6 is locked out?
2022-12-04 01:12:28	sheep	possibly
2022-12-04 01:12:36	YesItsMe	I doubt this is our issue just making sure i understand
2022-12-04 01:12:49	sheep	some residential ISPs now only have public IPv6 addresses and don't offer public IPv4 addresses
2022-12-04 01:12:57	YesItsMe	ouch
2022-12-04 01:13:28	YesItsMe	Is there a firewall if I have not explicitely installed one?
2022-12-04 01:13:35	sheep	it's not usualy much of a problem for outgoing connections from those ISPs because they use CGNAT
2022-12-04 01:13:44	sheep	by default, iptables and nftables accept all traffic on arch
2022-12-04 01:18:25	YesItsMe	journalctl -a
2022-12-04 01:18:32	YesItsMe	only lists entry from weeks ago
2022-12-04 01:18:46	YesItsMe	likely when I was setting up the server
2022-12-04 01:19:09	YesItsMe	all from november 10th
2022-12-04 01:19:19	YesItsMe	within 2 min time frame
2022-12-04 01:19:27	YesItsMe	is that normal?
2022-12-04 01:20:02	sheep	there should be more in there unless you manually disabled persistent journaling
2022-12-04 01:20:11	sheep	did you page down?
2022-12-04 01:23:18	YesItsMe	I didn't sorry
2022-12-04 01:23:37	YesItsMe	facepalm
2022-12-04 01:23:52	coruja	:)
2022-12-04 01:24:28	YesItsMe	oky there is a lot
2022-12-04 01:24:34	YesItsMe	can I somehow jump to the end
2022-12-04 01:25:14	sheep	try the End key
2022-12-04 01:25:24	YesItsMe	not doing it
2022-12-04 01:25:36	YesItsMe	oh nevermind
2022-12-04 01:25:40	YesItsMe	it just took a while
2022-12-04 01:27:48	YesItsMe	There are a lot of fake users trying to join.
2022-12-04 01:28:12	YesItsMe	U assume that is normal for a public server.
2022-12-04 01:28:17	YesItsMe	*I
2022-12-04 01:29:25	sheep	it's normal, especially if you're using a well-known port
2022-12-04 01:45:37	avg_tuxkart	what display manager on kde works best with fingerprint readers?
2022-12-04 02:02:17	YesItsMe	Is there a way I can like record all incoming connections?
2022-12-04 02:13:32	jkc	YesItsMe: Record in what sense?
2022-12-04 03:44:52	furycd001	HI Guys.. I'm running XFCE with kernel 5.15.81-1-lts on a fully up-to-date Arch. In nvidia-settings I have enabled Force Composition Pipeline. Everything works fine until I reboot.. Whenever I reboot or turn off my system the Force Composition Pipeline setting is no longer enabled & I have to launch nvidia-settings to re-enable it again. If I run nvidia-settings as sudo I can see that the
2022-12-04 03:44:52	furycd001	setting is set as enabled. 
2022-12-04 03:44:52	furycd001	 setting permanent for my own user ??
2022-12-04 03:46:21	vanacity	Do you have the nvidia-persistentd daemon installed?
2022-12-04 03:48:07	furycd001	No I don't think so ??
2022-12-04 03:48:34	furycd001	I'm using the nvidia-470xx drivers if that helps....
2022-12-04 03:49:27	vanacity	Look it up with pacman, it's a daemon that restores nvidia settings to keep them persistent across reboots
2022-12-04 03:50:18	Edu4rdSHL	Turn off Force Composition Pipeline and problem solved, that thing is awful
2022-12-04 03:50:21	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2022-12-04 03:51:01	furycd001	I actually need it on unless I want mega screen tearing :/
2022-12-04 03:51:36	vanacity	It's called 'nvidia-persistenced', sorry i got it wrong
2022-12-04 03:52:11	furycd001	I just searched for nvidia-persistenced using both pacman & yay. Nothing came up that I could install ??
2022-12-04 03:52:30	Edu4rdSHL	vanacity, check out https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#nvidia-settings
2022-12-04 03:52:31	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-04 03:52:56	vanacity	Hmm it comes with the nvidia-utils package
2022-12-04 03:53:08	vanacity	See if you have that one installed
2022-12-04 03:53:14	Edu4rdSHL	furycd001, I mea.
2022-12-04 03:53:16	Edu4rdSHL	furycd001, I mean.
2022-12-04 03:54:04	furycd001	I have nvidia-470xx-utils installed
2022-12-04 03:55:00	furycd001	Never needed pipeline enabled until last week whenever I added a second monitor to my setup....
2022-12-04 03:55:14	vanacity	Then i guess you need to enable/configure the daemon, do you know how to do that?
2022-12-04 03:56:31	furycd001	I actually haven't got a clue. First time ever using a desktop with multiple monitors....
2022-12-04 03:56:55	furycd001	For some reason I assumed that I could enable the setting & it would stay enabled unless otherwise....
2022-12-04 04:02:53	vanacity	Say, if you run 'systemctl status nvidia-persistenced', what does it say?
2022-12-04 04:03:46	furycd001	shows this >> https://termbin.com/cdfe
2022-12-04 04:04:37	vanacity	Ahh i see
2022-12-04 04:05:56	vanacity	It's disabled, run 'systemctl enable nvidia-persistenced' to enable it
2022-12-04 04:06:22	furycd001	Okay done :)
2022-12-04 04:06:29	furycd001	Should that solve my problem ??
2022-12-04 04:06:36	vanacity	Yes
2022-12-04 04:06:54	vanacity	Try rebooting to see if it preserves settings now
2022-12-04 04:07:30	furycd001	Okay will do :) Thank you so much for the help. Tis much appreciated....
2022-12-04 04:08:09	vanacity	You're welcome
2022-12-04 04:19:52	vanacity	Kay...i assume it worked then..
2022-12-04 04:19:56	vanacity	!next
2022-12-04 04:19:57	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-12-04 04:35:14	YesItsMe	jkc, record all kind of network connections with as much details as possible and as early as possible
2022-12-04 04:35:38	YesItsMe	becoming unreachable due to most likely an attack
2022-12-04 04:36:57	YesItsMe	to trouble shoot the server becomingunreachable due to most likely an attack
2022-12-04 04:50:31	dubiago	just installed arch lvm encrypted. not for the feint of heart. LOL
2022-12-04 04:56:58	Toxmi	Hi I have done a stupid thing on one of my machines by replacing pacnew version of '/etc/sudoers' instead of current (using pacdiff) and now I'm out of sudo. To make things worse, I have also locked the root password previously and also the disk is encrypted.
2022-12-04 04:57:10	Toxmi	As far as I know, I only need to remove one comment (# regarding wheel) and it probably works. But don't know how can I achieve this when I don't have sudo anymore.
2022-12-04 04:57:29	mpan	Toxmi: use Arch ISO to boot.
2022-12-04 04:57:31	Namarrgon	boot the iso, edit the file
2022-12-04 04:57:36	Toxmi	Is there a way to get around this? One thing is to live a boot USB, try to unlock the LUKS and mount the partition though I don't know the detail
2022-12-04 04:58:01	Namarrgon	you don't know the detail? you  installed it that way, you should know all the details.
2022-12-04 04:58:11	Toxmi	Namarrgon: yeah I thought of that but the hard is encrypted, I think there is probably some way to decrypt it right?
2022-12-04 04:58:34	Namarrgon	there obviously is a way to decrypt it or you wouldn't be able to boot the system
2022-12-04 04:58:38	Toxmi	Namarrgon: I know it incluidng the password, as far as I remember it's simple LUKS header
2022-12-04 04:59:30	Toxmi	Namarrgon: I've the encryption pass for hard-disk, but with live USB I need to unlock the partition using that password, that's the detail I don't have
2022-12-04 04:59:56	Toxmi	I'll look at the wiki, but wasn't sure if that be possible
2022-12-04 05:01:38	Toxmi	h4rd3n3d: ah thanks, cryptopen instead, right?
2022-12-04 05:02:32	Toxmi	Another problem, I'm right now on the machine and downloaded the iso, is there a way to write iso on the USB without sudo? 
2022-12-04 05:03:50	Toxmi	np, I use another machine, thanks for the suggestions
2022-12-04 05:07:26	cyphertite	dubiago:  ^Why?  Did you find an encryption or LV setup step difficult? 
2022-12-04 05:27:22	dubiago	cyphertite: nah. i was definitely fighting against reason, though. LOL
2022-12-04 05:27:59	cyphertite	k :D
2022-12-04 05:52:51	imp	Anyone know how to solve "Error: GPGME error: No data" . I got this after install gnome-latex
2022-12-04 05:53:11	imp	It also says: database 'core' is not valid (invalid or corrupted database (PGP signature))
2022-12-04 06:10:24	Scimmia	imp: delete any .sig files in /var/lib/pacman/sync/
2022-12-04 06:13:30	imp	Done, now after a `pacman -Suy` it returns "database 'core' is not valid (invalid or corrupted database (PGP signature))"
2022-12-04 06:13:54	Scimmia	did it download another one? If so, your mirror is a problem
2022-12-04 06:14:09	imp	yes. it downloaded.
2022-12-04 06:14:30	imp	hmm. let me change mirrors. Any "main" mirror recommended? 
2022-12-04 06:16:11	imp	after 3 mirrors. it is working
2022-12-04 06:16:32	imp	thanks Scimmia! =)
2022-12-04 06:16:37	Scimmia	np
2022-12-04 07:14:08	Greasy	Anybody still awake?
2022-12-04 07:15:00	Greasy	I think I've found a bug in the archinstall script
2022-12-04 07:15:29	Edu4rdSHL	You can report it in its bugtracker
2022-12-04 07:17:47	Greasy	I'm thinking that when you try to have it create a separate /home partition, it leaves a freespace gap on /dev/sda2 and then tries to read a partition from it as if it was partitioned with a filesystem, then it crashes.
2022-12-04 07:18:20	Greasy	about a half hour of headscratching lol.
2022-12-04 07:22:07	EdLin	hi. Anyone else having issues upgrading due to python-cairo or something holding it up?
2022-12-04 07:36:49	kian	I need some help making a systemd unit that runs before shutdown. Here's my current file: https://gist.github.com/kdkasad/b2f07b4c840bc634785570a3b6acf545. It runs fine manually but not on shutdown.
2022-12-04 07:53:17	mpan	kian: alsa-restore and a few other packages do that by invoking the command in `ExecStop`. See their files for an example.
2022-12-04 07:53:35	mpan	Of course that means that the service is started at startup and then, automatically, closed on shutdown.
2022-12-04 07:54:24	kian	mpan: Thanks, but I don't think that will work because my service isn't started at boot. I could create a separate service that does nothing for ExecStart and only has ExecStop, but that feels hacky and I was hoping for a better way.
2022-12-04 07:54:41	mpan	That is exactly what the aforementioned services do.
2022-12-04 07:56:44	kian	Ok. I guess I'll go with that then.
2022-12-04 07:56:46	kian	Thanks!
2022-12-04 08:20:36	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-04 08:28:36	dviant_	hi, i have set the cursor colour for urxvt in .Xresources to green. Now it stays green even in vim without following the colour scheme of vim. how can i fix this?
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2022-12-04 08:33:06	HumanLove	will work
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2022-12-04 08:58:40	YesItsMe	Does someone know a simple command line tool for benchmarking RAM and CPU?
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2022-12-04 09:03:33	HumanLove	i would also like to know. :
2022-12-04 09:04:22	bougyman	You mean other than any java app?
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2022-12-04 11:12:50	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1431 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1430 normals)
2022-12-04 09:35:34	txtsd	When applying a patch to a package in prepare() with `patch -Np1 <file>` how do I find out why a hunk has failed?
2022-12-04 09:35:46	txtsd	It saves a rejects file, but that's just the patch file
2022-12-04 09:39:25	megumin	there is /home/sda6.jounral file. who does create it
2022-12-04 09:39:35	megumin	may i remove it?
2022-12-04 09:41:40	megumin	1G size
2022-12-04 09:41:51	megumin	i can't open it
2022-12-04 10:05:18	docmax	so what i want to achieve is not "building" on the end devices
2022-12-04 10:05:38	docmax	i want an own binary repository
2022-12-04 10:55:11	krumelmonster	I have a local mariadb server for testing which I haven't used in a while. Is it normal that I cannot log in without a password when I run `mariadb` as root?
2022-12-04 10:55:23	krumelmonster	`Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)`
2022-12-04 10:56:53	krumelmonster	On other distributions I'm used to this working but I don't know where it's configured.
2022-12-04 11:00:25	bookworm	the config file of mariadb
2022-12-04 11:00:38	bookworm	should be trivial to find in /etc
2022-12-04 11:03:06	krumelmonster	bookworm I knew that. What I meant was which option would allow me to configure this or at least whether this can be done in the config files at all
2022-12-04 11:04:30	krumelmonster	Because all google tells me is I should create an account for root using `mysql_safe --skip-grant-tables` which not only seems like a bad solution but also doesn't actually seem to work in recent versions sof mariadb:
2022-12-04 11:04:45	krumelmonster	`The MariaDB server is running with the --skip-grant-tables option so it cannot execute this statement`
2022-12-04 11:06:36	krumelmonster	And the problem arose that this mysql_safe process now refuses to shutdown gracefully from Ctrl+C or TERM
2022-12-04 11:12:50	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-04 11:14:02	krumelmonster	I tried KILL and now mariadb won't start anymore. oops
2022-12-04 11:14:53	ℹ 	Lord_of_Life_ es conocido ahora como Lord_of_Life
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2022-12-04 11:17:15	edgy	Hi, pacman -Suy stops with "error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)"
2022-12-04 11:17:16	edgy	python-cairo: /usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/cairo/__pycache__/__init__.cpython-310.pyc exists in filesystem
2022-12-04 11:17:53	MrElendig	edgy: been using pip by hand?
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2022-12-04 11:17:59	MrElendig	other than that, just delete it
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2022-12-04 11:18:54	edgy	MrElendig: If I used pip, then definitely as a normal user not root. Ok will delete it
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2022-12-04 11:26:34	ℹ 	Tema establecido por alad (alad@archlinux/op/alad) el jue, 28 jul 2022 19:12:50
2022-12-04 11:26:35	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1435 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1434 normals)
2022-12-04 11:26:36	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-12-04 11:26:38	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-12-04 11:26:38	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-04 11:31:21	krumelmonster	ok I solved my problem
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2022-12-04 11:35:12	krumelmonster	everyone forgot to mention that when mariadb runs with skip-grant-tables, you need to FLUSH PRIVILEGES; before being able to modify them. And apparently you cannot enable root passwordless socket authentication via config file in mariadb.
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2022-12-04 11:37:53	edgy	MrElendig: thanks for your help
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2022-12-04 13:08:36	MrHamburgerPro	Hi. I have a NUC11PAHi7 with an Intel Smart Audio Device (Intel Tiger Lake-LP Smart Sound Technology Audio Controller, 8086:a0c8). When HDMI or 3.5mm Audio is connected I have no sound whatsoever, and I've already tried ALSA as well as PulseAudio. I have also tried different HDMI cables and monitors/TVs. Installed the SOF firmware package and tried
2022-12-04 13:08:36	MrHamburgerPro	to enable and use all available (and unavailable) sound cards and set their volume to 100% (and above). I've tried several Linux kernels and distributions (including Debian sid) without any luck. I'm out of ideas and hope you're able to help me.
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2022-12-04 13:10:44	MrHamburgerPro	Sorry for the Debian part, it's a copy and paste from Debian, but I'm also trying my luck with Arch Linux.
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2022-12-04 13:16:13	raster	MrHamburgerPro: buy new hardware :)
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2022-12-04 13:16:33	MrHamburgerPro	raster: What? It is new hardware
2022-12-04 13:16:41	raster	well different hardware
2022-12-04 13:16:48	MrHamburgerPro	Why?
2022-12-04 13:16:59	raster	hdmi audo works out of the box for me - amd gpu, dell monitor. pulseaudo + out of the box kernel opn arch
2022-12-04 13:17:10	another|	sof-firmware
2022-12-04 13:17:11	raster	just had to select the hdmi out as the sound card in my wm
2022-12-04 13:17:18	MrHamburgerPro	The sound card is detected, it just doesn't work ootb and needs to be fixed I guess
2022-12-04 13:17:36	raster	so ... you're not out of ideas - new hardware is an idea :)
2022-12-04 13:17:48	◣	tirnanog (~tirnanog@user/tirnanog) ha salido (Quit: = "")
2022-12-04 13:17:52	MrHamburgerPro	raster: Og, because it works for you it means others don't have the problem. Okay.
2022-12-04 13:17:57	another|	Newer Intel and AMD audio needs sof-firmware
2022-12-04 13:18:09	MrHamburgerPro	another|: sof-firmware is installed, but it doesn't work.
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2022-12-04 13:18:41	raster	MrHamburgerPro: i didn't say you don't have problems. i'm offering a solution - new (different) hardware. 
2022-12-04 13:19:13	MrHamburgerPro	raster: Buying different hardware to get rid of a problem is a workaround, not a solution.
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2022-12-04 13:20:00	another|	ah, missed that
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2022-12-04 13:21:18	raster	it's a solution you don't like :) which is fair enough - but it would solve the problem of getting sound out of a screen on your desk.
2022-12-04 13:22:55	another|	MrHamburgerPro: did you try different profiles?
2022-12-04 13:23:14	MrHamburgerPro	another|: You mean sound cards?
2022-12-04 13:23:25	MrHamburgerPro	e.g. Analog/Digital/HDMI etc
2022-12-04 13:23:29	another|	no, i mean profiles
2022-12-04 13:23:31	MrHamburgerPro	I've tried that
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2022-12-04 13:24:45	another|	pfff.. I mean you could try pipewire but if it doesn't work with pure alsa, don't get your hopes up
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2022-12-04 13:54:48	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-04 15:09:13	psychotron	sometimes one core hits 92%
2022-12-04 15:10:02	psychotron	fan is running higher speed
2022-12-04 15:12:06	Namarrgon	what is the system load when it hits 95°C?
2022-12-04 15:13:20	psychotron	load average 3.29 3.50 2.94
2022-12-04 15:14:26	psychotron	now they are a bit higher
2022-12-04 15:14:45	psychotron	lower again
2022-12-04 15:14:57	Namarrgon	wat is in /proc/interrupts when the load is this high?
2022-12-04 15:15:06	Namarrgon	*what
2022-12-04 15:15:59	psychotron	what does the interrupts have to do with this?
2022-12-04 15:16:17	Namarrgon	the high cpu load?
2022-12-04 15:16:51	psychotron	Is this going to burn now???
2022-12-04 15:17:57	askil	hello, I'm trying to install using archinstall, but it looks like the installer is failing due to what I think is a PGP signature mismatch
2022-12-04 15:18:06	askil	log here: https://termbin.com/3srge
2022-12-04 15:18:20	Namarrgon	oh, you're encoding a video and it reaches 95°C? that's normal then
2022-12-04 15:18:34	askil	I trying doing the suggestion listed in /topic, but that failed too because again of the PGP signature mismatch
2022-12-04 15:18:52	askil	any way to proceed around or fix this?
2022-12-04 15:19:17	Namarrgon	askil: the iso has a timing issue and breaks when you run pacman commands too soon after boot
2022-12-04 15:19:51	askil	Namarrgon: oh? But I've tried it again after a good 5min after and still goes like that
2022-12-04 15:20:02	askil	should I instead cold reboot and wait a few min again?
2022-12-04 15:20:07	Namarrgon	yeah
2022-12-04 15:20:16	Namarrgon	keep an eye on the wkd service
2022-12-04 15:20:26	askil	ah, ok!
2022-12-04 15:20:30	Namarrgon	it should ideally be done before you run pacstra/pacman/archinstall
2022-12-04 15:20:46	askil	got it! I'ma try this next then
2022-12-04 15:21:18	askil	thanks... and btw pretty neat stuff that this live ISO carries... even tmux and Lynx are included
2022-12-04 15:21:35	Namarrgon	no tetris though
2022-12-04 15:21:52	askil	or neofetch :P
2022-12-04 15:21:59	askil	'neways, let me reboot
2022-12-04 15:23:44	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-12-04 15:27:32	psychotron	so in htop those lines that start like "0[||||| 68%] are the tasks?
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2022-12-04 15:27:56	psychotron	so in htop those lines that start like "0[||||| 68%]" are the tasks?
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2022-12-04 15:28:08	psychotron	finee.
2022-12-04 15:28:51	psychotron	It was weird having four cores in X220
2022-12-04 15:31:24	psychotron	Should I pause if I go to lidl? Does these machines burn apartments?
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2022-12-04 15:32:38	rcf	Well there's only one way to find out 
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2022-12-04 15:36:10	txtsd	lol
2022-12-04 15:37:57	psychotron	this lenovo b575e was a lot faster than the X220 thinkpad
2022-12-04 15:38:20	psychotron	somehere around 3min left
2022-12-04 15:38:39	⚡ 	teraflops dims psychotron
2022-12-04 15:38:47	---	psychotron is now dimmed on liberachat
2022-12-04 15:41:46	psychotron	handbrake said something about a cocktail, I don't even have a beer
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2022-12-04 15:57:43	ℹ 	lesbraz es conocido ahora como sbraz
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2022-12-04 16:10:16	psychotron	Why does handbrake ask me if I want to encode if I like to hibernate?
2022-12-04 16:10:53	psychotron	does the encoding fail if I paise it and hibernate?
2022-12-04 16:11:05	psychotron	pause*
2022-12-04 16:11:48	psychotron	I'll try
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2022-12-04 16:14:41	mpan	psychotron: no idea, but my guess would be that hardware accelerated encoding might fail due to the video card being turned off (more specifically: after wakeup ffmpeg will hold invalid references).
2022-12-04 16:15:07	psychotron	I wont try that then
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2022-12-04 16:27:28	astralc	weird, yesterday had kded5 crash when discover search update (with packagekit-qt5 installed)
2022-12-04 16:27:47	astralc	now it doesn't seem to happen
2022-12-04 16:28:16	astralc	(the crash was always minute after login because of it)
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2022-12-04 17:03:12	charlie5	hi all ... may be a dumb q but if you have both an ethernet connection to a modem and a wifi connection to a mobile phone hotspot, will linux use both combined for increased speed ?
2022-12-04 17:03:40	teraflops	charlie5: nope
2022-12-04 17:04:08	charlie5	:) ... short and sweet answer
2022-12-04 17:04:09	sheep	it depends on what network manager you use and how it sets up the routes, but usually only one default route will be selected
2022-12-04 17:04:21	charlie5	or short and bitter perhaps
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2022-12-04 17:05:47	charlie5	hokay, thanks ... my networking-foo is pretty lame, so i'll not try anything fancy
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2022-12-04 17:06:12	ChrisWarrick	whatever fancy thing you set up would require the specific protocol and apps to co-operate
2022-12-04 17:06:32	charlie5	hmm, except perhaps upgrade my internet plan
2022-12-04 17:06:55	charlie5	yup, point taken .. thanks guys
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2022-12-04 17:07:07	ChrisWarrick	to download a file from a HTTP server, you could split the file into two and download the two halves independently, assuming the server would allow it
2022-12-04 17:07:22	grawity	you can already do this without splitting the file
2022-12-04 17:07:42	ChrisWarrick	(I’m thinking of range requests)
2022-12-04 17:07:50	grawity	yeah various "download accelerators" have been using Range requests as early as ~2000
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2022-12-04 17:08:52	teraflops	ChrisWarrick: there is cool stuff at lartc.org
2022-12-04 17:09:04	teraflops	oops I meant charlie5 
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2022-12-04 17:09:59	charlie5	teraflops: i'll take a look but probly beyond my ken
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2022-12-04 17:18:19	ianliu	My desktop is idle at the GDM login screen, while I'm logged with SSH from my laptop. The desktop is suspending after 20 or so minutes. Is there a way to prevent suspend when I'm logged with ssh?
2022-12-04 17:18:48	Namarrgon	you have to disable automatic suspend for the gdm user
2022-12-04 17:19:24	Namarrgon	there's a bit about it on the gdm page, something about gsettings
2022-12-04 17:19:38	grawity	might be easier to do this via aur/gdm-settings (or flatpak install gdmsettings)
2022-12-04 17:21:15	ianliu	I guess this page: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GDM#GDM_auto-suspend_.28GNOME_3.28.29
2022-12-04 17:21:16	phrik	Title: GDM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-04 17:21:25	ianliu	will try, thanks
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2022-12-04 17:37:19	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-04 17:37:19	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1439 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1438 normals)
2022-12-04 17:37:19	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-04 18:03:31	txtsd	grawity: I did it! The glyph'd progress bars work well! Now I'll add a config option for the glyphs so they can be specified in the conf file instead of being hardcoded.
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2022-12-04 18:52:09	SugaryHull	I'm having a problem with the Arch Linux Discord package. Attempting to reorder my server list crashes the client with a Segmentation Fault every time without fail. I'm using EndeavourOS and have confirmed that this does not occur on my Debian machine and at least one other person's Arch Linux machine
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2022-12-04 18:57:27	SugaryHull	Here's the backtrace from GDB
2022-12-04 18:57:27	SugaryHull	https://bpa.st/V5NQ
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2022-12-04 19:01:20	SugaryHull	Actually, I forgot to backtrace
2022-12-04 19:02:18	teraflops	SugaryHull: file a bug I guess
2022-12-04 19:03:11	SugaryHull	I would, but I can't get register with the Arch Linux Bugtracker because the BUG_REPORT_URL is different in EndeavourOS
2022-12-04 19:04:09	grawity	I think that's a hint that you should report it at EndeavourOS instead
2022-12-04 19:04:41	SugaryHull	Alright
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2022-12-04 19:05:28	SugaryHull	The pinned message at their bug tracker says to not report problems with packages there
2022-12-04 19:07:12	grawity	the BUG_REPORT_URL on arch is basically the bugtracker's URL
2022-12-04 19:08:07	brocellous	Ah hm python-cairo packaging error?
2022-12-04 19:08:26	SugaryHull	Alright
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2022-12-04 19:11:14	brocellous	Mmmm yep https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/76731
2022-12-04 19:11:15	phrik	Title: FS#76731 : [python-cairo] __pycache__ is left out from the package (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-12-04 19:12:15	susi	from freedesktop.org's /etc/os-release synopsis, it says "Variable assignment values must be enclosed in double or single quotes if they include spaces, semicolons or other special characters outside of A–Z, a–z, 0–9."
2022-12-04 19:12:23	susi	so shouldn LOGO=archlinux-logo be LOGO="archlinux-logo"?
2022-12-04 19:12:37	brocellous	There used to be announcements about these
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2022-12-04 19:15:00	grawity	realistically it doesn't matter, FOO=bar-baz is valid in all shells
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2022-12-04 19:35:28	SugaryHull	Bug report filed. Thanks for the help
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2022-12-04 22:02:02	astralc	well, it is allowed ip is you use that mask
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2022-12-04 23:19:41	MrElendig	bluetail: if you follow the links, yes
2022-12-04 23:19:46	MrElendig	if not, no
2022-12-04 23:20:08	vanacity	xnovax shouldn't os-prober look for the w10 boot entry and add it to grub? to me it fails to detect it
2022-12-04 23:20:14	bluetail	I hate clicking myself through
2022-12-04 23:20:21	bluetail	why is it not like in one place
2022-12-04 23:20:26	MrElendig	bluetail: f7 :p
2022-12-04 23:20:28	vanacity	i assume because it doesn't exist
2022-12-04 23:20:46	MrElendig	bluetail: because then information would be duplicated on many pages, and would ahve to be kept in sync
2022-12-04 23:21:22	MrElendig	usually duplicated badly
2022-12-04 23:21:41	vanacity	MrElendig how do you do that? got any manuals?
2022-12-04 23:21:44	MrElendig	that was one of the big reasons for the rewrite of the install guide as an example
2022-12-04 23:21:55	MrElendig	vanacity: grub page on the wiki has examples
2022-12-04 23:22:03	bluetail	MrElendig what about inheritable text sequences?
2022-12-04 23:22:04	xnovax	vanacity: make sure the grub.cfg file also has GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false
2022-12-04 23:22:37	xnovax	vanacity: actually i meant to edit /etc/default/grub 
2022-12-04 23:23:00	Scimmia	vanacity: UEFI?
2022-12-04 23:23:15	vanacity	xnovax i'll take a look
2022-12-04 23:23:24	vanacity	Scimmia yes
2022-12-04 23:23:36	Scimmia	and it's not listed in efibootmgr -u?
2022-12-04 23:23:51	MrElendig	vanacity: can be as simple as https://bpa.st/PTOQ
2022-12-04 23:23:52	phrik	Title: View paste PTOQ (at bpa.st)
2022-12-04 23:26:44	vanacity	i'll boot up the computer wait
2022-12-04 23:43:06	vanacity	Scimmia it doesn't show up
2022-12-04 23:44:03	Scimmia	very strange. I have heard of some firmwares that delete entries after another is booted
2022-12-04 23:44:10	astralc	did you accidently delete the existing efi partition?
2022-12-04 23:44:45	Scimmia	that does seem more likely. Some will delete entries if the binary doesn't exist
2022-12-04 23:45:32	Scimmia	and would mean problems setting up an entry in grub
2022-12-04 23:49:12	Scimmia	vanacity: did you set up a separate ESP on the new drive or reuse the one that already existed?
2022-12-04 23:50:42	vanacity	i don't quite understand the situation, lsblk shows just two partitions in the windows drive, but the DISKPART windows utility from the installation media shows four 'volumes' one of them being the typical 100 mb ESP
2022-12-04 23:52:07	vanacity	Scimmia i set up a new separate ESP on the new arch drive yes
2022-12-04 23:54:04	Scimmia	what does gdisk -l <olddrive> show?
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2022-12-05 00:15:38	astralc	did you created one during the install of arch?
2022-12-05 00:19:08	vanacity	yes
2022-12-05 00:19:18	vanacity	but in the new drive
2022-12-05 00:19:41	astralc	new drive was empty?
2022-12-05 00:20:40	vanacity	no, it had a previous manjaro installation
2022-12-05 00:21:05	vanacity	i wiped it to install arch
2022-12-05 00:21:15	Scimmia	did it happen to be in the system when Windows was installed?
2022-12-05 00:22:14	vanacity	yes
2022-12-05 00:22:49	Scimmia	Then Windows reused the ESP that was on that drive
2022-12-05 00:22:55	Scimmia	which you wiped
2022-12-05 00:24:05	vanacity	oh ffs...
2022-12-05 00:26:33	MrElendig	pretty easy to restore though
2022-12-05 00:26:39	vanacity	would it be in scope of the channel to ask how to restore a windows bootloader?
2022-12-05 00:26:46	vanacity	really??
2022-12-05 00:27:50	MrElendig	boot windows install image, open shell and bcdboot
2022-12-05 00:28:18	MrElendig	or if you are adventorous you can copy the needed files from the windows main partition to the esp
2022-12-05 00:28:49	MrElendig	ms used to have a guide for that up on msdn, don't know if its still up
2022-12-05 00:29:55	GreyXor	I have to say it, the gameboy noise when starting arch install is a horror. how to mute this ?
2022-12-05 00:30:46	vanacity	MrElendig i'll go hit the books then
2022-12-05 00:30:55	B-|	dell laptop, installed arch with systemd-boot to /dev/mmcblk1, it bootloops with "reading media [FAIL]"
2022-12-05 00:31:02	B-|	any ideas?
2022-12-05 00:31:20	MrElendig	https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/bcdboot-command-line-options-techref-di?view=windows-11
2022-12-05 00:31:21	phrik	Title: BCDBoot Command-Line Options | Microsoft Learn (at learn.microsoft.com)
2022-12-05 00:31:50	GreyXor	I'm in a room with a sleeping person... and there's this noise when booting arch iso... it's really annoying -_-
2022-12-05 00:32:03	B-|	pacman thing?
2022-12-05 00:32:11	B-|	i mean
2022-12-05 00:32:15	B-|	super mario thing
2022-12-05 00:32:18	GreyXor	Yeah
2022-12-05 00:32:26	B-|	SAME
2022-12-05 00:36:50	vanacity	MrElendig nice, that looks like just what i need
2022-12-05 00:38:54	GreyXor	B-| https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/archiso/-/merge_requests/239
2022-12-05 00:39:00	phrik	Title: add easter egg (!239) · Merge requests · Arch Linux / archiso · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2022-12-05 00:39:32	B-|	actually it's an acer laptop
2022-12-05 00:39:55	thrice	I had no idea that was a thing, but it's kinda terrible
2022-12-05 00:40:53	MrElendig	diskpar sel vol ...; diskpart assign letter ...; bcdboot c:\windows /s F: /f uefi  #or something along those line
2022-12-05 00:41:14	MrElendig	s/F/whatever letter you want/
2022-12-05 00:42:00	GreyXor	please remove this https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/archiso/-/blob/master/configs/releng/grub/grub.cfg#L29
2022-12-05 00:42:03	phrik	Title: configs/releng/grub/grub.cfg · master · Arch Linux / archiso · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2022-12-05 00:42:21	B-|	make arch iso show a jumpscare
2022-12-05 00:44:25	B-|	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=259193
2022-12-05 00:44:26	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] installed Arch but cannot boot into it automatically / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-12-05 00:44:29	B-|	god damn it
2022-12-05 00:45:40	GreyXor	What about rusticl in mesa package ?
2022-12-05 00:46:54	Foxboron	GreyXor: it won't be removed. Let the person sleep and stop booting the ISO
2022-12-05 00:47:46	GreyXor	ah, since it is like that, I will install manjaro then :3
2022-12-05 00:48:01	vanacity	this is hilarious
2022-12-05 00:48:04	Foxboron	GreyXor: Sure, have fun.
2022-12-05 00:48:18	thingfish	ugh
2022-12-05 00:48:22	jamesp	I'm trying to update arch linux, but my root disk ran out of space.
2022-12-05 00:48:47	jamesp	I checked filelight and it said most of my disk space was used on the package cache
2022-12-05 00:48:54	astralc	jamesp: pacman -Sc
2022-12-05 00:48:55	GreyXor	@foxbo
2022-12-05 00:49:04	thrice	yeah, remove stuff in your cache then
2022-12-05 00:49:04	jamesp	How can I clear the package cache, and will that help in updating?
2022-12-05 00:49:12	GreyXor	Foxboron but seriously, it won't be removed ? what the point of it ? it's pretty annoying imo
2022-12-05 00:49:42	Namarrgon	jamesp: if the cache is on the same fs that pacman complains about, then it should help
2022-12-05 00:49:45	Foxboron	GreyXor: the line has a commit, and you can run blame on the file to see why it was implemented
2022-12-05 00:49:56	jamesp	yes
2022-12-05 00:49:58	GreyXor	yeah, I can do that
2022-12-05 00:50:14	Namarrgon	jamesp: then nuke it manually or more selectively with paccache
2022-12-05 00:50:53	Foxboron	GreyXor: I meant to say, the line has a comment
2022-12-05 00:50:54	Scimmia	or see pacman -Sc
2022-12-05 00:51:06	jamesp	Thanks, now I have more space!
2022-12-05 00:51:18	GreyXor	accessibility ?
2022-12-05 00:51:21	Namarrgon	greate, now you can install more stuff that you don't need!
2022-12-05 00:51:23	Namarrgon	-e
2022-12-05 00:51:37	Foxboron	GreyXor: yes?
2022-12-05 00:51:41	jamesp	Namarrgon: Good tip. Don't install stuff you don't need.
2022-12-05 00:51:42	GreyXor	It's not
2022-12-05 00:52:24	Scimmia	GreyXor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_accessibility
2022-12-05 00:52:26	phrik	Title: Computer accessibility - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2022-12-05 00:52:59	Namarrgon	grub failed to play the tune on the two systems i booted the iso so far
2022-12-05 00:53:05	GreyXor	it's just irritability, not accessibility
2022-12-05 00:54:11	Namarrgon	that's like, your opinion, man
2022-12-05 00:54:36	GreyXor	I would make my own archiso, with blackjack and hookers
2022-12-05 00:57:36	bluetail	Scimmia I like how head injury is right before autism
2022-12-05 00:57:42	bluetail	makes it extra tasty
2022-12-05 00:58:26	bluetail	come to think of, cognitive impairment is the one the hardest for people to understand because it is invisible
2022-12-05 00:59:06	bluetail	if I tell others, I get a sick from certain noises, flicker, stress, people wouldn't understand
2022-12-05 00:59:46	bluetail	also talking about some things makes my whole body jitter after a time and I am overloaded and my brain just shuts down for the rest of the day
2022-12-05 01:00:03	bluetail	#archlinux-offtopic
2022-12-05 01:03:48	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-05 01:30:49	B-|	how do i do this https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1927715#p1927715 with systemd-boot?
2022-12-05 01:30:51	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] installed Arch but cannot boot into it automatically / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-12-05 01:37:39	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-05 03:01:47	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1422 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1421 normals)
2022-12-05 01:54:37	thrice	I have a 12th gen intel chip that I think is buggy wrt battery drain
2022-12-05 01:54:55	reimorster	mine is 11th
2022-12-05 03:01:49	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-05 03:23:45	halting	hi
2022-12-05 03:23:48	reimorster	it looks like the firmware relies on the nvidia card capabilities for external display, the integrated intel uhd display is attached to the builtin screen. is there any workaround? 
2022-12-05 03:24:17	reimorster	so i get no external displays when blacklisting nvidia and nouveau through modprobe.d conf files.
2022-12-05 03:30:38	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-05 04:04:29	randomxusr	wwhat's the path to previously installed kernels?
2022-12-05 04:38:27	CubeTheThird	previous kernel packages, like all other packages, can be found in /var/cache/pacman, if that's what you mean. They won't be installed though
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2022-12-05 05:13:22	vanacity	Ah true that
2022-12-05 05:56:12	txtsd	How do I grab a single char from a char* and still have it be a char*?
2022-12-05 06:04:20	nortega	txtsd: `my_string + offset`
2022-12-05 06:04:56	jmariondev	pointer arithmetic, the coolest and also worst part of C
2022-12-05 06:04:58	nortega	Or, to be safe, `my_string + offset * sizeof(char)`
2022-12-05 06:15:43	txtsd	That's very unintuitive 😅
2022-12-05 06:15:46	txtsd	But thanks
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2022-12-05 06:35:22	sunyibo	turns out it's the router. I had no network access from the machine, rebooted, did 'ip r' 'ip link'. Then I noticed that my laptop was connecting via hotspot and not the router. So it's not an archlinux problem
2022-12-05 06:42:24	sunyibo	and after a reboot the router is back up. Sorry guys. I thought my arch desktop after an update or something had lost network connectivity...
2022-12-05 06:42:51	coruja	!next
2022-12-05 06:42:53	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2022-12-05 08:17:31	ripur	is it possible to set dircolors to work with 256 colors?
2022-12-05 08:25:45	rounak	I am looking for a system cleaner like ccleaner. What is the best system cleaner for linux? 
2022-12-05 08:27:21	ishitatsuyuki	rounak, bleachbit, but normally it shouldn't be necessary to do much cleaning
2022-12-05 08:27:32	rounak	it hangs
2022-12-05 08:27:35	rounak	I have used it
2022-12-05 08:27:50	rounak	I dont know why but whenever I try to do deep cleaning. It hangs
2022-12-05 08:28:02	ishitatsuyuki	the question would be rather what are you trying to achieve
2022-12-05 08:28:06	rounak	https://github.com/bleachbit/bleachbit/issues/1367
2022-12-05 08:28:14	ishitatsuyuki	typically there's little junk that you can remove practically
2022-12-05 08:28:23	ishitatsuyuki	the only thing I do these days is pacman -Sc
2022-12-05 08:28:45	ishitatsuyuki	if you want to find low hanging fruits to delete, ncdu is your friend
2022-12-05 08:29:08	rounak	ishitatsuyuki: I want to clean my disk space. Like clean disk fragmentation. Clean unused packages from pacman and aur. etc etc
2022-12-05 08:29:19	ishitatsuyuki	disk fragmentation is separate
2022-12-05 08:29:33	ishitatsuyuki	unused package from pacman is simply pacman -Sc
2022-12-05 08:29:44	rounak	hmmm ic 
2022-12-05 08:30:14	ishitatsuyuki	then typically you could just see if there's something you can delete in .cache but applications usually take care to limit the size of it
2022-12-05 08:30:46	ishitatsuyuki	re: disk fragmentation, you usually don't need to care about it on modern filesystems
2022-12-05 08:31:27	rounak	oh ok
2022-12-05 08:31:42	rounak	I think i will use paccache of pacman -Sc 
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2022-12-05 09:45:32	rounak	I am using i3 with polybar. Whenever I try to play a game in steam. My system tray shows up in the game all the time. (http://0x0.st/okki.png) . Is there a way to fix this ? Here is my polybar config file - http://0x0.st/okk-.txt
2022-12-05 10:01:01	jenia	Hello
2022-12-05 10:01:27	jenia	How do I suspend my laptop when I close the lid?
2022-12-05 10:01:34	jenia	I'm using gnome desktop
2022-12-05 10:02:38	grawity	happens by default, if the system 1) knows the lid was closed, 2) no external display attached, 3) no software is preventing it in `systemd-inhibit --list`
2022-12-05 10:23:55	kpcyrd	mpan: I've talked to one of the tor browser devs at a reproducible builds summit and they recommended to do it this way, they don't support system-wide installations and I'm not sure if any distro ships it like that (but I'd be curious)
2022-12-05 10:38:14	Strykar	On Debian, if nftables is in use, running 'iptables-save' logs "# Table `filter' is incompatible, use 'nft' tool." On Arch, with nftables running, 'iptables-save' posts nothing. Why is that?
2022-12-05 10:39:12	grawity	arch's "iptables" package uses the legacy backend (with "iptables-nft" for the nft backend)
2022-12-05 10:39:15	grawity	debian's is the opposite
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2022-12-05 11:17:21	andi_	what's the recommended way to switch from gcc/g++ 12.2 to 11.3, both are already installed
2022-12-05 11:18:04	andi_	my problem is that i use bazel which calls gcc/g++ and it seems like i get a internal compiler error with gcc/g++ 12 so i want to test it by using the 11.3 version which i expect to work
2022-12-05 11:18:35	andi_	i don't think that symlinking /usr/bin/gcc-11 /usr/bin/gcc is a good idea
2022-12-05 11:19:40	daftaupe	hello, I'm trying to follow https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:Building_in_a_clean_chroot, but I end up with a failure with "root is not in the sudoers file." https://paste.coagul.org/v/HLvUvb7t4x/qDJnPAj8g73b3YNn
2022-12-05 11:21:00	greyltc	daftaupe: what's the exact command you're running?
2022-12-05 11:21:25	daftaupe	well the one in the paste
2022-12-05 11:21:32	greyltc	oh yes, i see it!
2022-12-05 11:22:32	jelle	andi_: does bazel not support CC=gcc-11 and CXX=g++-11?
2022-12-05 11:24:26	greyltc	daftaupe: what happens if you put the chroot somewhere besides /tmp?
2022-12-05 11:24:27	andi_	jelle: you mean i should add them to my --copt="CC=gcc-11"?
2022-12-05 11:25:04	jelle	andi_: maybe, I have no idea how bazel works, but other tools support CC
2022-12-05 11:25:56	daftaupe	greyltc exactly the same thing, I just tried in ~/chroots
2022-12-05 11:26:51	greyltc	daftaupe: does invoking just `extra-x86_64-build` work?
2022-12-05 11:28:25	daftaupe	greyltc, no it stops wth the same sudoers error
2022-12-05 11:29:25	andi_	jelle: i'll have a look into it, that will probably lead to other problems but that's progress :
2022-12-05 11:29:27	andi_	:)
2022-12-05 11:30:37	jelle	andi_: I just googled and setting CC should work?
2022-12-05 11:30:59	jelle	andi_: https://stackoverflow.com/a/43206122
2022-12-05 11:31:01	phrik	Title: how to use clang++ instead g++ in Bazel - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
2022-12-05 11:31:03	jelle	andi_: what are you building? :)
2022-12-05 11:31:59	greyltc	daftaupe: no idea, extra-x86_64-build is working fine for me at the moment except it seems my build is getting killed by some oom handler or something...
2022-12-05 11:33:27	daftaupe	yeah I don't understand as I'm just typing 3 commands and following the documentation... thanks for your help greyltc
2022-12-05 11:35:17	daftaupe	aaah it's comming from my host sudoers file, I had the root ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL commented (I used the %wheel line)
2022-12-05 11:36:21	greyltc	so that brings me to the question I have for the channel: does extra-x86_64-build (from https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:Building_in_a_clean_chroot#Convenience_way ) impose some ram usage limitations on the build that I don't get when I build normally? (using makepkg)
2022-12-05 11:36:22	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:Building in a clean chroot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-05 11:36:54	jelle	greyltc: it does not
2022-12-05 11:37:19	⚡ 	jelle ponders about offline builds
2022-12-05 11:37:54	greyltc	jelle: I'm seeing `c++: fatal error: Killed signal terminated program lto1` when my build dies which to the best of my googling is often caused by OOM
2022-12-05 11:38:22	jelle	greyltc: try lowering make -j to like -j2
2022-12-05 11:38:29	greyltc	it's 1!
2022-12-05 11:38:40	jelle	O_O
2022-12-05 11:38:53	jelle	I hope the linker respects -j hmm
2022-12-05 11:50:38	SCHAPiE	lld from LLVM can do multi-core linking, -j is just an option for make
2022-12-05 11:51:41	SCHAPiE	Although linking itself is not a parallel task iirc
2022-12-05 12:10:15	jelle	SCHAPiE: multi-core linking would oom even faster :D
2022-12-05 12:12:17	ishitatsuyuki	you're probably using fat lto which consumes gigatons of memory while being single threaded and annoyingly slow
2022-12-05 12:12:52	ishitatsuyuki	it's not the parallelism, you simply need to add more swap
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2022-12-05 12:41:06	xalares	Hi everybody, I'm trying to upgrade my system et I'm facing an issue with python cairo, I get this error :error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
2022-12-05 12:41:09	xalares	python-cairo: /usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/cairo/__pycache__/__init__.cpython-310.pyc exists in filesystem
2022-12-05 12:41:37	xalares	it tries to upgrade from version  1.23.0-1 to version  1.23.0-2
2022-12-05 12:42:22	Scimmia	see the pacman wiki page
2022-12-05 12:42:25	xalares	Anyone with this issue ?
2022-12-05 12:43:21	xalares	Scimmia: yes you're right
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2022-12-05 14:38:15	octopus	Yo
2022-12-05 14:39:49	another|	No
2022-12-05 14:40:33	AmR	Thanks
2022-12-05 14:49:49	linsux	python-cairo: /usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/cairo/__pycache__/__init__.cpython-310.pyc exists in filesystem
2022-12-05 14:49:52	linsux	cannot pacman now
2022-12-05 14:50:20	Namarrgon	rm the orphaned *.pyc files
2022-12-05 14:50:33	MacGyver	It's a pycache file, you can usually safely remove those.
2022-12-05 14:50:43	MacGyver	If removing it breaks anything, that's indication something *else* is broken.
2022-12-05 14:50:52	linsux	it's safe?
2022-12-05 14:51:43	Namarrgon	the previous package omitted them, then you ran python as root and it generated the orphans
2022-12-05 14:51:50	Namarrgon	yes, it's safe
2022-12-05 14:52:35	linsux	ok
2022-12-05 14:59:48	mpan	kpcyrd: thanks
2022-12-05 15:01:07	kpcyrd	no problem, you're welcome!
2022-12-05 15:15:01	Bayes	interesting enough, there's something wrong with my system where randomly, from time to time, after booting chromium and slack (and possibly other stuff?) are all logged out
2022-12-05 15:15:59	Namarrgon	"all logged out"?
2022-12-05 15:16:04	Bayes	there's something wrong like after booting I open chromium and I get a xfce popup asking me to enter my password
2022-12-05 15:16:23	grawity	how do you log in to the system?
2022-12-05 15:16:29	Bayes	yeah, like chromium doesn't remember all the log ins it usually does and I need to log in again to every website
2022-12-05 15:16:57	Bayes	grawity, I just use the xfce login, type the pass in, enter
2022-12-05 15:16:58	grawity	it uses a key stored in libsecret to encrypt the password storage
2022-12-05 15:17:06	grawity	libsecret usually means gnome-keyring
2022-12-05 15:17:24	grawity	so whatever method you use to log in to the system, needs to be calling pam_gnome_keyring to automatically unlock it
2022-12-05 15:17:28	Namarrgon	you mean only don'tget logged into websites, right? not the linux user account?
2022-12-05 15:18:36	Bayes	^ yes, but it's associated with my system I think, because when that happens, it also happens that starting chromium or some other processes in my machine will get me the xfce popup to authenticate (like the visual equivalent for sudo)
2022-12-05 15:19:17	Bayes	grawity, 
2022-12-05 15:19:30	Bayes	I just checked and I do have libsecret installed in my system, so that's a possibility
2022-12-05 15:19:43	grawity	lots of things use libsecret for password storage
2022-12-05 15:20:01	Bayes	I haven't updated libsecret these last few days tho
2022-12-05 15:20:03	grawity	chrome doesn't store passwords in it directly (too slow) but it does store one "master encryption key"
2022-12-05 15:20:23	grawity	libsecret itself doesn't have a database, though, it's a client for things like gnome-keyring or keepassx or kwallet
2022-12-05 15:20:38	grawity	so maybe you have keepassx running sometimes, but not running other times?
2022-12-05 15:20:49	Bayes	do note I'm not talking about storing password but "storing" sessions, like keeping my github session open
2022-12-05 15:34:39	melty	Is there a Mrs.Pacman?
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2022-12-05 16:19:37	dubiago	there would be no symmetry to this world without
2022-12-05 16:24:54	nattiestnate	hi, during my process of setting up postgres following this wiki page \
2022-12-05 16:25:21	nattiestnate	whoops sorry i pressed the enter button prematurely
2022-12-05 16:26:25	nattiestnate	anyway i followed the instructions here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PostgreSQL and i notice that the /var/lib/postgres folder is owned by root (the data subdirectory is owned by postgres, though). is this expected, or did i do something wrong? can i just chown /var/lib/postgres to the postgres user?
2022-12-05 16:26:26	phrik	Title: PostgreSQL - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-05 16:27:38	nl6720	nattiestnate: it's expected. only the data directory should be owned by postgres
2022-12-05 16:28:32	mpan	nattiestnate: PostgreSQL should not need to write anything to “/var/lib/postgres” directly.
2022-12-05 16:29:00	nl6720	nattiestnate: there's also a talk about it in the wiki https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Talk:PostgreSQL#Why_is_/var/lib/postgres/_owned_by_root%3F
2022-12-05 16:29:02	phrik	Title: Talk:PostgreSQL - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-05 16:29:37	nattiestnate	okay, thanks, that clears things up. i'm currently experimenting with write-ahead-log archiving and i'm not sure where to put the WAL archives in
2022-12-05 16:30:41	nl6720	you basically only have /var/lib/postgres/data/ and /run/postgresql/
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2022-12-05 19:28:34	vanacity	Ok so i've just completed an arch install on a secondary drive in this windows laptop, but after rebooting there's no boot entry for linux in the uefi menu, how come?
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2022-12-05 19:29:02	vanacity	I thought it'd be okay having two ESPs, one for each drive
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2022-12-05 19:29:15	grawity	what tools did you use to add the boot entry?
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2022-12-05 19:31:48	vanacity	Hmm i didn't do that explicitly, i imagine it's done by the grub-install command?
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2022-12-05 19:33:53	grawity	yes, if you actually were in efi mode while running it
2022-12-05 19:34:50	vanacity	Hmm i don't know what that is
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2022-12-05 19:36:01	vanacity	Does it have anything to do with the partition table type of the installation media? GPT vs DOS?
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2022-12-05 19:36:52	teraflops	how was the arch iso booting screen, a black and white one or a coloured one?
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2022-12-05 19:39:44	Namarrgon	i think there's only grub now, black&white in either case
2022-12-05 19:39:55	teraflops	oh ny bad
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2022-12-05 19:40:06	teraflops	my
2022-12-05 19:40:55	Scimmia	iirc, it's grub/syslinux now
2022-12-05 19:41:50	Namarrgon	you're probably right, at least there's still a syslinux directory in the archiso repo
2022-12-05 19:42:16	Namarrgon	then we loop back to teraflops' question
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2022-12-05 19:50:38	vanacity	I'm gonna re-do the install and pay attention to this
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2022-12-05 19:54:07	Namarrgon	did you use gpt?
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2022-12-05 19:54:08	vanacity	Black and white, it boots to grub
2022-12-05 19:54:13	vanacity	Yes
2022-12-05 19:54:24	Namarrgon	what was the full grub-install command you ran?
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2022-12-05 19:56:44	vanacity	grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot --bootloader-id=Grub
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2022-12-05 19:57:19	Namarrgon	was the ESP mounted to (/mnt)/boot at that point?
2022-12-05 19:57:39	Namarrgon	was efibootmgr installed?
2022-12-05 19:58:12	vanacity	I reckon i must've mounted it, but i guess there's a chance i didn't
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2022-12-05 19:58:30	Namarrgon	you would have gotten an error in that case
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2022-12-06 09:18:38	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-06 09:18:38	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1451 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1450 normals)
2022-12-06 00:24:24	topcat001	Hmmm, on my networkd machines I have the following lovely bug from the Oct 31 release of systemd: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/25456
2022-12-06 00:25:39	Scimmia	ok...
2022-12-06 00:27:22	topcat001	NM does not have an issue, but I don't want to switch. Probably best to temporarily adjust my router.
2022-12-06 01:47:15	quazimodo	hi all
2022-12-06 01:47:20	quazimodo	got a fun question
2022-12-06 01:47:30	mefistofeles	!fun
2022-12-06 01:47:30	phrik	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC0qk2LLohc&t=11s
2022-12-06 01:48:17	quazimodo	so this isn't strictly an arch question - i have a device ehre that loads a modified ubuntu based nvidia thingo from an emmc storage, then uses an early systemctl service to change root dir to an nvme device
2022-12-06 01:50:30	mefistofeles	quazimodo: oh, this channel is for archlinux support, you might want to try the ubuntu channels or even the archlinux offtopic one 
2022-12-06 01:50:34	mefistofeles	!offtopic
2022-12-06 01:50:34	phrik	Take it to #archlinux-offtopic
2022-12-06 01:50:53	mefistofeles	or maybe generic linux channels, such as #linux 
2022-12-06 01:52:58	thumbs	/58/21
2022-12-06 01:53:11	mefistofeles	lol
2022-12-06 01:53:19	mefistofeles	thumbs: been there xD
2022-12-06 01:53:35	thumbs	to 58.21?
2022-12-06 01:53:40	Namarrgon	that's way too many thumbs
2022-12-06 02:00:52	quazimodo	mefistofeles: it's not an ubuntu question
2022-12-06 02:00:54	quazimodo	its more like
2022-12-06 02:01:47	mefistofeles	quazimodo: still not arch
2022-12-06 02:01:48	quazimodo	if systemctl is doing 'switch-root' then this necessarily means that the kernel is already loaded, possibly stuff out of /lib too ?
2022-12-06 02:02:12	quazimodo	it feels like an obvious but then again i'm perplexed at the way the configured it
2022-12-06 02:02:16	Namarrgon	quazimodo: this channel is for arch support only, try your luck in #linux
2022-12-06 02:03:25	quazimodo	i have a have a device here that loads an arch linux from an emmc storage, then uses an early systemctl service to change the root dir to an nvme device. Does that mean that the arch linux kernel is loaded, and the kernel in nvme device is unused 
2022-12-06 02:03:50	Namarrgon	quazimodo: if you want to play stupid games then do it somewhere else
2022-12-06 02:04:56	quazimodo	i understand the need for the rigidity and also want it to not apply to me
2022-12-06 02:05:08	Namarrgon	then i will remove you from this channel
2022-12-06 02:05:28	quazimodo	ok ok i go to #linux
2022-12-06 02:23:52	kulak	How do I enable pipewire Airplay sink?  https://docs.pipewire.org/page_module_raop_sink.html
2022-12-06 02:23:53	phrik	Title: PipeWire: PipeWire Module: AirPlay Sink (at docs.pipewire.org)
2022-12-06 03:12:48	ripur	however when i use this same command in my tmux session, the file tputcalls is blank
2022-12-06 03:13:45	ripur	how can I capture what tput is doing when use it? 
2022-12-06 03:14:33	bougyman	strace tput
2022-12-06 03:44:34	quazimodo	they werent helpful
2022-12-06 03:49:39	Scimmia	quazimodo: which isn't our problem
2022-12-06 05:38:30	Sal76	hellooo
2022-12-06 05:43:24	Anaerobic8287	I'm running arch on xfce.  When I use bluetooth, for example a pair of Beats earbuds, the earbuds will connect automatically if I trust the device, but I still have to open the volume control window and manually tell it to route audio to the connected device.  Additional information, I'm using Blueman for bluetooth, and the PulseAudio Plugin widget for my xfce panel.  I want to find a solution
2022-12-06 05:43:24	Anaerobic8287	to this, but I'm not sure if 
2022-12-06 05:43:24	Anaerobic8287	I should target my search at Arch-specific keywords or xfce-specific keywords.  Should I be searching for an xfce solution instead of an Arch solution?
2022-12-06 05:44:53	Anaerobic8287	Also, during install I selected pipewire (the default in archinstall) as my audio server, if that helps.
2022-12-06 05:48:20	Sal76	Is there a way to modprobe a blacklisted module after boot? I blacklisted uvcvideo because i dont usually use my webcam (and for battery reasons) but when i want to use my webcam modprobe does not allow me to load it. I get "Permission denied" with sudo and with secure boot/PTT disabled.
2022-12-06 05:48:49	cisco87	Hi guys good morning, im here looking for help, i just installed a fresh instance of archlonux, the time seems correct both from hwclock and timedatectl but i have some sort of issues that cant make me installed package as the gpg keys seems all invalid
2022-12-06 05:49:24	sheep	try running pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring then pacman -Su
2022-12-06 05:50:55	cisco87	Cant install that as i get again the key is corrupted
2022-12-06 05:51:24	Sal76	pretty stuck on this tbh. I might resort to creating some sort of systemd service that disables the module on boot or something
2022-12-06 05:53:06	sheep	cisco87: try pacman-key --refresh-keys
2022-12-06 05:53:44	cisco87	I get all unchanged already tried that
2022-12-06 05:55:06	sheep	what do you get from date -u?
2022-12-06 05:56:04	cisco87	Tue 06 Dec 2022 04:55:37 UTC
2022-12-06 05:56:25	sheep	that's correct to within a minute
2022-12-06 05:56:46	sheep	maybe pacman-key --init; pacman-key --populate
2022-12-06 05:57:23	cisco87	Oooooo
2022-12-06 05:57:24	cisco87	Nice
2022-12-06 05:57:30	cisco87	That did it!
2022-12-06 05:57:39	cisco87	Awesome thank you!
2022-12-06 06:23:39	HumanLOve	i loveing the ILoveCandy :)
2022-12-06 06:27:01	HumanLOve	parrle Downloades looks cool too. yay
2022-12-06 06:27:16	HumanLOve	pacman ftw.
2022-12-06 08:52:41	fatal1ty	paru is looking for outdated shared libraries 
2022-12-06 08:52:41	fatal1ty	and i can't pacman -S paru
2022-12-06 08:52:41	fatal1ty	or -U
2022-12-06 08:52:42	fatal1ty	oh it's an aur
2022-12-06 08:52:42	jelle	always has been!
2022-12-06 08:52:42	fatal1ty	paru: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.1.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2022-12-06 08:52:43	fatal1ty	if i could list all the dependencies required then i could write a script to link all these old libraries to the new ones 
2022-12-06 08:52:43	jelle	fatal1ty: please, use the AUR
2022-12-06 08:52:43	fatal1ty	ok
2022-12-06 08:52:43	jelle	fatal1ty: download the tar.gz from aur.archlinux.org and makepkg
2022-12-06 08:52:43	fatal1ty	i have the latest version though
2022-12-06 08:52:43	fatal1ty	1.11.1-1
2022-12-06 08:52:57	jelle	fatal1ty: you need to rebuild it
2022-12-06 08:57:47	fatal1ty	thanks jelle 
2022-12-06 09:11:09	ripur	bougyman: thank you
2022-12-06 09:18:38	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-06 09:51:44	txtsd	Okay so I've created a patch for pacman that allows using multichar glyphs to use in pacman's progress bar. It works fine except for the fact that makepkg calls pacman with `LC_ALL=C` during the buildinfo stage which makes it spit out an error. What do?
2022-12-06 09:52:26	grawity	in 2022? patch makepkg to call pacman with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 instead >_>
2022-12-06 09:56:49	mpan	Perhaps determine, if locale is known to support such characters? pacman is expected to operate in all conditions and, the last time I checked, non-UTF8 locales are supported in Arch.
2022-12-06 10:00:18	lolok	l𝆊ol
2022-12-06 10:01:09	txtsd	Alright!
2022-12-06 10:12:37	txtsd	mpan: Oh dang. Looks like I'll have to add logic to disable the glyph option if the user's locale does not support it. More work, yay!
2022-12-06 10:13:42	txtsd	It should be okay to set that particular run_pacman call to `LC_ALL=C.UTF-8` though, right?
2022-12-06 10:14:12	txtsd	Is there any disadvantage to setting a .UTF-8 locale regardless of user choice?
2022-12-06 10:18:21	Ennea	it may not exist ;p
2022-12-06 10:19:13	grawity	C.UTF-8 always exists
2022-12-06 10:19:23	mpan	txtsd: opposite. Enable, if you discover it is supported.
2022-12-06 10:19:25	grawity	the specific call in question is already setting an ASCII-only locale regardless of user choice, so it shouldn't hurt
2022-12-06 10:20:25	grawity	...I don't know if Arch *does* support non-UTF-8 locales? more like, they're just kind of there and not deliberately removed
2022-12-06 10:20:56	jelle	pacman supports more then Arch however
2022-12-06 10:21:31	txtsd	Alright I'll hack something together that's good enough for a review.
2022-12-06 10:21:57	txtsd	Are y'all taking MRs on gitlab now, or still via the mailing list?
2022-12-06 10:22:42	Ennea	grawity, oh, it does? i thought only C always exists
2022-12-06 10:22:45	grawity	https://twitter.com/larsbrinkhoff/status/1600046939474743296
2022-12-06 10:23:10	grawity	Ennea: Arch's glibc pre-builds C.UTF-8 in the package
2022-12-06 10:23:26	grawity	I think most other distros that had their own support for C.UTF-8 also made it always available
2022-12-06 10:23:34	grawity	as that's kind of the point of it
2022-12-06 10:24:09	mpan	Arch does support non-UTF8 locales, so pacman should support them too — even if we ignore it’s used not only on Arch. Also be careful about the choice of glyphs: ensure they are 1-cell wide (with `wcwidth`) for the current locale.
2022-12-06 10:24:11	grawity	(even if glibc itself doesn't require installing it any more than it does the regular locales, afaik)
2022-12-06 10:24:26	mpan	Fall back to something else, if they are not.
2022-12-06 10:25:57	mpan	How do you determine terminal capabilities? You would not be able to use those characters with console.
2022-12-06 10:28:18	txtsd	It's behind a pacman.conf option, firstly, so it has to be explicitly enabled.
2022-12-06 10:29:07	mpan	Oh, I thought you want this to be the default. Ignore me then.
2022-12-06 10:29:26	txtsd	Nah I'm not qualified enough to handle ALL edge cases to make it the default haha.
2022-12-06 10:36:54	txtsd	Where can I find a list of all values that can be fed into LC_ALL btw?
2022-12-06 10:37:40	jmariondev	or at least spend some time as a non-default before becoming a default! i love when applications support a fancy modern terminal features out of the box
2022-12-06 10:41:05	nl6720	grawity: LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 doesn't unset LANGUAGE https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16621
2022-12-06 10:41:07	phrik	Title: 16621 – C.UTF-8 locales should be regarded like C w.r.t. $LANGUAGE precedence (at sourceware.org)
2022-12-06 10:51:02	txtsd	Okay found a list of locales but I have no idea how to see which ones have a UTF-8 variant.
2022-12-06 10:51:28	grawity	what are you checking for, exactly?
2022-12-06 10:52:14	txtsd	I want to test various locales to see which ones let my code work as intended.
2022-12-06 10:52:40	grawity	try a bunch in /etc/locale.gen.pacnew
2022-12-06 10:53:14	txtsd	Like I can use devanagari glyphs for the progress bar (because why not), but that's only with C.UTF-8 and en_US.UTF-8. hi.UTF-8 and hi_IN.UTF-8 make it fail, as does en_GB.UTF-8
2022-12-06 10:53:31	grawity	do you have those locales present on your system though?
2022-12-06 10:53:53	grawity	if not locale-gen'd, they will always fail
2022-12-06 10:54:05	txtsd	There are hi and hi_IN and en_GB directories in my /usr/share/locale
2022-12-06 10:54:14	txtsd	Oh I have to gen them
2022-12-06 10:54:26	grawity	use `locale -a` to see what ones are currently available to libc
2022-12-06 10:55:47	txtsd	Oh good. Thanks. I only have en_US and ja variants enabled. That makes sense.
2022-12-06 11:10:31	damax	Hi everyone, I am trying to run magicavoxel and use the nvidia gpu for rendering, but since I use prime-run offloading for other applications when needed, it seems I cannot get the software to use nvidia for OpenGL rendering. How can I setup the launch of the application so that OpenGL uses the dedicated graphics card to run rendering only for that software?
2022-12-06 11:33:13	lolok	damax take this file https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/magicavoxel.desktop?h=magicavoxel edit the exec line to use primus and stick it in /usr/local/share/applications
2022-12-06 11:33:14	phrik	Title: magicavoxel.desktop - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-12-06 11:34:31	damax	lolok: Once I modify the desktop entry to use prime-run, how can I check that the application is actually using the correct OpenGL renderer?
2022-12-06 11:35:27	grawity	I don't know nvidia but wouldn't you check whether it shows up in nvidia-smi or not
2022-12-06 11:35:33	lolok	maybe lsof if youre doing it like this, if you wanna try launching it from a terminal 1st, you can strace it too
2022-12-06 11:35:57	damax	Oh, right, let me quickly try
2022-12-06 11:36:57	lolok	also, idk nvidia either, just figured your question may have actually been 'how the hell does this program even get launched when i click the icon' lol
2022-12-06 11:38:50	damax	lolok: Oh, nono, I had already tried modifying the desktop entry, I'm aware of the launching and the gpu offloading parts, it's just that I'm not sure that the program is actually using my Nvidia GPU to render OpenGL
2022-12-06 11:39:38	damax	You also mentioned maybe using lsof to check, how would that work?
2022-12-06 11:42:09	lolok	doesnt nvidia use special libs for gl? run the program and run lsog or lsfd and grep for them, if theyre in the list that means theyre being used
2022-12-06 11:42:32	lolok	s/lsog/lsof/
2022-12-06 11:42:34	damax	The thing is, with nvidia-smi it doesn't seem like rendering a model increases the memory usage for the card.
2022-12-06 11:42:45	damax	lolok: Alright, I'll try, thanks
2022-12-06 11:43:01	grawity	I thought it shows the actual processes using the GPI
2022-12-06 11:43:02	grawity	GPU*
2022-12-06 11:43:06	HuntsMan	damax: nvidia-smi is mostly for compute, not graphics
2022-12-06 11:44:08	HuntsMan	damax: maybe the app has some "opengl info" in settings or about, that tells you some opengl information
2022-12-06 11:44:31	Ennea	nvtop exists, too
2022-12-06 11:44:37	damax	HuntsMan: unfortunately it doesn't seem like magicavoxel has such settings or info
2022-12-06 11:44:39	Ennea	shows gpu utilization by process
2022-12-06 11:44:58	HuntsMan	Ennea: gives same info as nvidia-smi
2022-12-06 11:45:15	Ennea	but it's TUI and all nice and stuff ;p
2022-12-06 11:46:19	lolok	i was gonna say `watch sensors` but yea nvtop if you got it you may as well use it lol
2022-12-06 11:46:45	melty	I HAVE A COMIC IDEA: 2 BEEF STEAKS, 1 JOINT. PUNCHLINE? "THE STEAKS ARE HIGH"
2022-12-06 11:47:11	Ennea	how does this relate to arch? 🤔
2022-12-06 11:48:36	HuntsMan	Ennea: its an AUR package, seems to be a windows app running under wine
2022-12-06 11:49:09	Ennea	hm? what is?
2022-12-06 11:49:16	damax	HuntsMan: It is, even thought it's not as visible, in the sense that it works quite well
2022-12-06 11:49:19	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-12-06 11:49:50	Ennea	are we still talking nvtop? not an AUR package: https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/nvtop/
2022-12-06 11:49:52	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - nvtop 3.0.1-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-12-06 11:50:11	damax	I think he was talking about magicavoxel
2022-12-06 11:50:38	Ennea	oh
2022-12-06 11:50:51	Ennea	but what difference does that make. it'll still show up in nvtop
2022-12-06 11:51:23	damax	Is wine a problem for it? (meaning I cannot use nvidia OpenGL rendering through it?)
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2022-12-06 11:51:34	Ennea	no
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2022-12-06 11:51:59	Ennea	if wine were a problem, proton (valve's compatibility layer for playing windows games on linux) wouldn't even work like it does
2022-12-06 11:52:10	damax	Makes sense
2022-12-06 11:52:20	Ennea	heck, i run furmark through wine to benchmark my gpu, because the linux equivalent doesn't have as many options
2022-12-06 11:53:43	damax	Looking at nvtop, I see the magicavoxel process is taking up ~85% GPU, but the thing is it also says ~95% CPU, and still the magicavoxel process (while rendering some model) is only using ~65MiB
2022-12-06 11:54:18	HuntsMan	damax: and what is the problem with that?
2022-12-06 11:54:38	damax	It's what makes me have doubts about it not using the nvidia GPU for rendering. I see times for simple models that I would expect would be faster
2022-12-06 11:54:42	damax	Maybe it's just me
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2022-12-06 11:55:03	HuntsMan	damax: I do no see why, CPU usage is unrelated to GPU usage
2022-12-06 11:55:28	grawity	in that case, use the nvtop-equivalent for your other GPU
2022-12-06 11:55:33	Ennea	that said, nvtop can also display gpu usage for amd and intel gpus. i do not know how (or if) the display of the data differs when it does
2022-12-06 11:55:35	grawity	like intel_gpu_top
2022-12-06 11:55:46	grawity	and check if that's loaded more than expected
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2022-12-06 11:56:27	Ennea	(reading man pages is hilarious sometimes. nvtop has a switch -f, or --freedom-unit, to use fahrenheit for temperatures :D)
2022-12-06 11:56:48	damax	Ahah
2022-12-06 11:57:01	Tom^	damax: nvidia-smi will list the process running on the gpu
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2022-12-06 11:58:00	Tom^	and if its listed there, it is running on the nvidia card.
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2022-12-06 11:58:09	damax	Tom^: And I shall see it there if I run it with prime-run, yes, but how can I make sure that OpenGL is also rendering through it? Is is granted?
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2022-12-06 11:59:23	damax	As I just tested, it seems like intel_gpu_top says ~85% Render/3D busy
2022-12-06 12:00:01	HuntsMan	damax: both GPUs can be used at the same time, so this does not say much
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2022-12-06 12:02:31	Tom^	isnt both gpus used with prime anyhow? nvidia -> opengl -> front/back buffer, -> igpu back buffer -> igpu front buffer -> show on monitor.
2022-12-06 12:02:42	HuntsMan	that is what I just said
2022-12-06 12:03:04	Tom^	hook up a monitor to the hopefully hardwired nvidia hdmi port and skip the middleman! :p
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2022-12-06 12:10:36	damax	HuntsMan: I see, thank you. The only thing I can't understand is why I shouldn't expect a higher usage of the dedicated GPU memory for the render, since out of the 4G it's only using 100M at most
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2022-12-06 12:12:14	HuntsMan	damax: maybe it is not needed? it depends on what you are doing
2022-12-06 12:13:20	HuntsMan	damax: voxel rendering will not use much GPU memory
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2022-12-06 12:15:04	damax	Might be the case. I tried launching another program from command line (prime-run godot), and it does indeed show "OpenGL ES 3.0 Renderer: NVIDIA GeForce [...]". So I would expect magicavoxel to be doing the same thing. I will see if I can find a way of getting that information, as launching the program from terminal doesn't specify what renderer is using
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2022-12-06 13:03:03	caveman	what happens if i connect two keyboards to archlinux, then press shift on the left keyboard?  will that shift key capitalise letters from both keyboards?  or would it capitalise letters only on the keyboard it is pressed on?
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2022-12-06 13:05:08	grawity	depends on how the program reads input, I think
2022-12-06 13:05:41	grawity	if it's an X11 app that uses core input, it only ever sees one "virtual" keyboard and one "virtual" mouse, no matter how many there are
2022-12-06 13:06:06	grawity	if it's a Wayland app, or if it's an X11 app that uses XInput2, it sees individual devices and can – not necessarily will, but *can* – track their state individually
2022-12-06 13:07:01	caveman	for an xinput app, can i make shift from 1 keyboard capitalise letters in the 2nd keyboard, without configuring the app?
2022-12-06 13:07:13	grawity	no idea
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2022-12-06 13:07:41	grawity	I think there are tools that can make a virutal input device with combined events from two devices
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2022-12-06 13:08:15	grawity	https://gitlab.com/interception/linux/tools (including the ones listed under "alternatives")
2022-12-06 13:08:16	phrik	Title: interception / linux / Interception Tools · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
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2022-12-06 13:25:30	caveman	grawity: interesting.  i'm thinking to buy 2 cheap keyboards instead of a single split keyboard.  because split keyboards are insanely expensive.
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2022-12-06 13:25:58	Ennea	and you're trying to replicate the benefits of a split keyboard with just two cheap full-sized ones? o.O
2022-12-06 13:26:00	grawity	are you going to saw the keyboards in half?
2022-12-06 13:26:21	Ennea	there are some cheap split keyboard options if you're willing to assemble them by yourself
2022-12-06 13:26:25	caveman	as a bonous, i'd also get more keys.  hence more room for a new key layout so that the 2 keyboards are free of duplicates
2022-12-06 13:26:38	Foxboron	There are several ergonomic keyboard options on the cheap end
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2022-12-06 13:26:50	Ennea	there are not even 208 different keys you could bind to two full keyboards ;p
2022-12-06 13:26:56	caveman	grawity: no.  just 2 keyboards.  one on left, on on right.  i'll use the left keys of the left by the left hand, and the right keys of the right by the right hand.
2022-12-06 13:26:57	Ennea	so you can forget about the whole no duplicates idea
2022-12-06 13:27:01	caveman	Foxboron: name 1.
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2022-12-06 13:27:41	Ennea	caveman, quefrency
2022-12-06 13:27:47	Foxboron	caveman: define "cheap" for me
2022-12-06 13:28:21	caveman	Ennea: that's 67 bucks just for the pcb?
2022-12-06 13:28:47	caveman	Foxboron: 8 bucks is cheap.  2 keyboards, each 8, total 16 bucks. 
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2022-12-06 13:29:34	Ennea	caveman, sounds right-ish. previous pcb revisions were a tad cheaper
2022-12-06 13:29:35	Foxboron	caveman: okay
2022-12-06 13:30:00	caveman	i think my idea of using 2 cheap keyboards is clever.  it also allows me to have fully wireless keyboards, hence achieving the outcome identical to two wireless split keyboards (doesn't seem to exist yet, let alone being cheap).
2022-12-06 13:30:25	caveman	Ennea: too expensive i'd say.
2022-12-06 13:30:27	Ennea	well. good luck ;p
2022-12-06 13:30:29	jelle	I fail to see how it is suddenly ergonomic
2022-12-06 13:30:30	teraflops	yeah so clever
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2022-12-06 13:31:21	Ennea	jelle, that's the catch. it's not! yet another thing never seen before: a split keyboard setup that decreases ergonomics instead of improving things
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2022-12-06 13:31:39	caveman	jelle: allows arms to be wide apart, hence easing the shoulder.  by attaching different rubber legs, one can also tilt them.
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2022-12-06 13:32:26	caveman	jelle: what do you require for 'ergonomic'?
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2022-12-06 13:33:36	jelle	taking a break often
2022-12-06 13:33:56	Foxboron	You are just adding lipstick to a horse. Being cheap about it doesn't solve anything
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2022-12-06 15:59:10	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1470 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1469 normals)
2022-12-06 13:34:30	caveman	Foxboron: name 1 problem that my idea does not solve?
2022-12-06 13:35:08	Foxboron	Wrist support, and the keyboards are too cheap regardless
2022-12-06 13:35:20	Ennea	that makes me curious, actually. what problem are you trying to solve with _that_ in the first place?
2022-12-06 13:35:21	Foxboron	A half-devent Microsoft ergonomic keyboard costs you 40-50 bucks
2022-12-06 13:35:28	Foxboron	decent*
2022-12-06 13:35:45	Foxboron	If you go 100 bucks you can get a low-end Kinesis keyboard. They are nice
2022-12-06 13:36:48	caveman	Foxboron: wrest support is easy.  put any mat you like.  doesn't have to be officially blessed by someone as 'wrest support'.  
2022-12-06 13:37:20	Foxboron	Good luck with your hands
2022-12-06 13:39:45	caveman	as for quality, the 8 buck keyboard i referred to is a scissors keyboard.  i like scissor keys (prefer them over mechanical).  
2022-12-06 13:39:45	caveman	i can get 2 decent mechanical ones, and still be cheaper than a single split keyboard.
2022-12-06 13:54:43	caveman	hcitools are deprecated in bluez?  how to check bluetooth version?
2022-12-06 14:02:34	grawity	that's the bluez version...
2022-12-06 14:02:53	grawity	it should be in bluetoothctl but bluetoothctl doesn't seem to be working right
2022-12-06 14:03:07	grawity	aur/bluez-utils-compat
2022-12-06 14:13:18	MacGyver	Maybe btmgmt gives the requested information?
2022-12-06 15:15:28	friendlyguy	hi there! i am currently trying to figure out why in particular i get the error message : "gpg: no writable keyring found: Not found" when i try to update aur packages with yay.
2022-12-06 15:16:17	friendlyguy	system is up-to-date, pacman says "there is nothing to do"
2022-12-06 15:16:44	Scimmia	does makepkg work?
2022-12-06 15:17:44	friendlyguy	you mean building the aur pckg manually? i didnt try. my first guess there is something wrong wiht gpg and didnt look into the package at all
2022-12-06 15:34:22	Bayes	installing brave via pacman changed by xdg default-web-browser setting, but after uninstalling brave via pacman as well the setting keeps pointing to brave-browser.desktop
2022-12-06 15:34:55	Bayes	is it normal to get eggs like this after one remove an application?
2022-12-06 15:45:05	Edu4rdSHL	Pretty sure just installing something doesn't change xdg settings
2022-12-06 15:46:09	Ennea	well, brave only exists as an AUR package. maybe?
2022-12-06 15:46:32	Ennea	the PKGBUILD doesn't look like it either, though
2022-12-06 15:59:10	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-06 16:10:52	AmR	If I have for example 2 pkg's from same app like app-xxx-1 and app-xxx-2 and I want tell pacman to clear old app-xxx-1 'old ver' and keep the new u to date one, How I can do that ?
2022-12-06 16:11:43	Bayes	Edu4rdSHL, that's a good point actually, it might have been brave who set that up
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2022-12-06 16:12:24	Bayes	I wish there was a way to monitor what apps do to make a full rollback / wipe if needed
2022-12-06 16:12:35	Scimmia	AmR: uninstall 1 and install 2? What am I missing here?
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2022-12-06 16:13:27	NoImNotNineVolt	Bayes: you mean taking backups?
2022-12-06 16:13:56	Bayes	not really, but more like monitoring what each app does (files it creates, files it modifies)
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2022-12-06 16:14:26	Bayes	I don't think it's doable or it makes much sense really but it'd be nice to be able to wipe an application completely
2022-12-06 16:14:30	Bayes	like it was never installed :P
2022-12-06 16:15:10	Bayes	taking backups sounds more like a system-wide thing where you restore your system to a previous state, I was saying more app-wise
2022-12-06 16:15:11	AmR	Scimmia, I mean pkg's in cache folder, keep only one ver up to date
2022-12-06 16:15:44	Scimmia	AmR: you're asking how to keep 1 but not update it?
2022-12-06 16:16:00	Scimmia	or wait, just cache? See paccache
2022-12-06 16:16:11	Scimmia	but that doesn't affect what pacman caches
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2022-12-06 16:16:31	Scimmia	I'm really not understanding what you're trying to do
2022-12-06 16:17:39	Scimmia	Bayes: for things like brave, it's only making changes in your home dir
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2022-12-06 16:19:58	AmR	yes how I can tell paccache to keep the newset pkg only
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2022-12-06 16:21:25	AmR	use paccache and clear old pkg's and keep the last ver that is up to date
2022-12-06 16:21:26	Scimmia	see the man page. Also see pacman -Sc, along with pacman's man page
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2022-12-06 16:39:30	Bayes	can I use xdg to launch a "blank" (no url) instance of my browser?
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2022-12-06 16:39:59	Bayes	basically using xdg to obtain the same result as running `firefox` without hardcoding the browser name
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2022-12-06 16:42:46	astralc	about:blank?
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2022-12-06 16:51:13	Bayes	oh I tried that, but `xdg-open "abount:blank"` gives me "Failed to open URI: The specific location is not supported"
2022-12-06 16:51:42	Bayes	also, about:blank is not the landing page you get when you call chromium or firefox without an url
2022-12-06 16:55:18	Bayes	nvm, I'll just hardcode firefox
2022-12-06 16:56:27	Bayes	funnily enough `gtk-launch firefox.desktop` works even tho I'm not using gnome :3
2022-12-06 16:56:33	Ennea	firefox' empty page is about:newtab, but i suppose that wouldn't work either probably
2022-12-06 16:56:51	Bayes	so I don't know if relying on gtk-launch is reliable as a "generic" solution
2022-12-06 16:59:52	sparr	weird dns problem: curl can't resolve factorioprints.com or http://factorioprints.com or https://factorioprints.com, and firefox can't resolve http://factorioprints.com, but it CAN resolve and load https://factorioprints.com, what could cause this behavior? it feels like something weird is going on with local dns cache or similar? I can't think of anything that would produce different dns
2022-12-06 16:59:52	sparr	results per
2022-12-06 16:59:54	sparr	protocol
2022-12-06 17:09:52	grawity	sparr: does about:networking#dnslookuptool resolve it?
2022-12-06 17:10:14	grawity	for both Firefox and Chrome, if the error code says "can't resolve" this doesn't *always* mean that, unfortunately
2022-12-06 17:10:57	grawity	as far as I can see, though, that domain name literally has no IP addresses assigned to it
2022-12-06 17:11:01	grawity	the www subdomain does
2022-12-06 17:11:04	grawity	the base domain doesn't
2022-12-06 17:12:34	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-07 10:46:27	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1461 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1460 normals)
2022-12-07 06:55:17	jclsn	What is weird is that it is at the beginning of the table
2022-12-07 06:55:33	jclsn	I resized it and created a swap at the end. usually this shouldn't be possible. 
2022-12-07 06:55:41	jclsn	All the other partitions should have been moved
2022-12-07 06:56:09	jclsn	Ah not it is not at the beginning. Just the numbering...
2022-12-07 06:56:10	cedb	so you made it smaller
2022-12-07 06:56:15	jclsn	Yes
2022-12-07 06:56:25	cedb	and you sure the fs could fit before resizing?
2022-12-07 06:56:57	jclsn	cedb: What do you mean? I freed some space and made that a swap
2022-12-07 06:58:05	coruja	jclsn: you resized both the partition and the file system?
2022-12-07 06:58:39	jclsn	coruja: No, I just resized my home partition
2022-12-07 06:58:43	jclsn	afaik
2022-12-07 06:59:04	cedb	F
2022-12-07 07:00:37	jclsn	What is he root password for archiso?
2022-12-07 07:00:54	nortega	jclsn: I don't think there is one.
2022-12-07 07:01:03	jclsn	So no ssh possible...
2022-12-07 07:01:28	nortega	I don't think you're meant to ssh into the archiso system.
2022-12-07 07:01:49	nortega	Plus, normally ssh into root is forbidden.
2022-12-07 07:03:37	jclsn	Yeah so one can only send photos if troubled
2022-12-07 07:04:19	nortega	I mean, another solution would be to create another user.
2022-12-07 07:04:43	jclsn	True
2022-12-07 07:05:56	tirnanog	jclsn: did you use resize2fs to shrink the filesystem prior to reducing the size of its containing block device? that's the implied question. if no, well ... F indeed.
2022-12-07 07:06:30	tirnanog	because you would now have a filesystem that has just had a portion of itself effectively be amputated and removed.
2022-12-07 07:06:41	jclsn	tirnanog: I did not
2022-12-07 07:06:54	jclsn	I was assuming cfdisk takes care of this
2022-12-07 07:07:15	tirnanog	partitioning tools manage partitions. parted is an outlier.
2022-12-07 07:07:37	tirnanog	so, next question. have you actually activated the swap since?
2022-12-07 07:07:37	jclsn	Anyway to rescue the partition?
2022-12-07 07:07:47	jclsn	tirnanog: No
2022-12-07 07:07:59	tirnanog	but you ran mkswap, right?
2022-12-07 07:08:07	jclsn	Can I just delete it and resize it back?
2022-12-07 07:08:18	jclsn	No I just resized with cfdisk so far
2022-12-07 07:08:21	tirnanog	yes.
2022-12-07 07:08:32	jclsn	I did not call mkswap
2022-12-07 07:08:43	tirnanog	good.
2022-12-07 07:08:44	jmariondev	Can't you change the size back? IIUC no operation yet has written over the filesystem
2022-12-07 07:08:50	jclsn	Will try
2022-12-07 07:09:00	tirnanog	remove the new partition and set the partition containing the ext4 filesystem so that it's end boundary is exactly what it was before.
2022-12-07 07:09:12	tirnanog	making sure the filesystem is unmounted at the time.
2022-12-07 07:09:33	jmariondev	then take a backup :)
2022-12-07 07:09:38	jclsn	Worked
2022-12-07 07:09:42	jclsn	Thx
2022-12-07 07:09:44	jclsn	Phew
2022-12-07 07:09:58	jclsn	So can someone tell me why cfdisk is not a partitioning tool?
2022-12-07 07:10:05	cedb	it is
2022-12-07 07:10:06	tirnanog	who said that?
2022-12-07 07:10:19	tirnanog	managing partition is exactly what it does.
2022-12-07 07:10:22	jmariondev	it is, but it only draws new "lines" for where the partitions are
2022-12-07 07:10:28	cedb	jclsn: you still think fs and partition are the same thing?
2022-12-07 07:10:29	coruja	but it's not a file system tool
2022-12-07 07:10:34	jclsn	tirnanog: Sounded like it
2022-12-07 07:10:38	tirnanog	it didn't.
2022-12-07 07:10:39	jclsn	So what went wrong?
2022-12-07 07:10:59	jmariondev	you need to resize the underlying filesystem first, then use cfdisk to redefine the "lines"
2022-12-07 07:11:01	cedb	after fucking up in exactly the right way to demonstrate to you these are two differnt things?
2022-12-07 07:11:14	jclsn	cedb: Well a partition is part of the filesystem I guess
2022-12-07 07:11:17	tirnanog	you didn't modify the internal structures of your filesystem such that it ends at the new, truncated boundary.
2022-12-07 07:11:30	tirnanog	you did not shrink your filesystem, in other words.
2022-12-07 07:11:36	jclsn	So every partition has its own fs?
2022-12-07 07:11:36	jmariondev	a partition contains a filesystem, important distinction
2022-12-07 07:11:40	tirnanog	no it's not.
2022-12-07 07:11:53	jclsn	Well I did not know that indeed
2022-12-07 07:11:56	tirnanog	a partition is a block device. that is all.
2022-12-07 07:12:07	tirnanog	yes, it's a logical sub-division of a single disk, typically.
2022-12-07 07:12:13	jmariondev	a partition is just a container of disk blocks. the most common thing to do with those is to write a file system to it, but they're still separate things
2022-12-07 07:12:17	tirnanog	but disks are block devices. partitions are block devices. they're just block devices.
2022-12-07 07:12:20	tirnanog	they contain data. _any_ data.
2022-12-07 07:12:23	tirnanog	filesystems are also data.
2022-12-07 07:12:32	jmariondev	you might also use those blocks for swap space, or a LUKS container, they're just blocks delimited by the partition "lines"
2022-12-07 07:12:35	tirnanog	filesystem have structure and rules.
2022-12-07 07:12:43	tirnanog	you can't just chop off the end of a filesystem and expect it not to object.
2022-12-07 07:13:11	jmariondev	you also should run a fsck on the affected file system just in case a couple blocks did get written or something
2022-12-07 07:13:12	jclsn	I will have to read about that I guess
2022-12-07 07:13:15	jmariondev	and then, ofc, take a backup
2022-12-07 07:13:21	tirnanog	luckily, creating a new partition overlapping the filesystem data doesn't, in and as of itself, change the data - only the data in the partition table.
2022-12-07 07:13:24	tirnanog	so you got away with it.
2022-12-07 07:13:26	cedb	doesnt fdisk mention it when youre about to mess up a fs anyways?
2022-12-07 07:13:37	jclsn	clean
2022-12-07 07:13:51	tirnanog	cedb: yeah, it does nowadays. it also offers to wipe it unless an option is given.
2022-12-07 07:14:04	jmariondev	you got lucky then! many of us learn this lesson by blowing away production data haha
2022-12-07 07:14:32	tirnanog	it integrated with libblkid for signature recognition, just as some other util-linux utilities do (including wipefs).
2022-12-07 07:14:41	jclsn	jmariondev: I have learned this lesson like 30 times as I've said, but back then I was an ultra-stoner and my memory was non-existent
2022-12-07 07:14:43	cedb	or just use btrfs and never resize a partitino
2022-12-07 07:15:00	cedb	!grab jclsn 
2022-12-07 07:15:00	phrik	cedb: Tada!
2022-12-07 07:15:17	jclsn	grab?
2022-12-07 07:15:21	tirnanog	cedb: I don't think it would have worked in this case though. it would have looked for a signature relative to the beginning of the new partition and likely wouldn't have found any.
2022-12-07 07:15:33	jclsn	I read btrfs is slower
2022-12-07 07:15:43	jclsn	ext4 works for me, so no need to change
2022-12-07 07:15:45	tirnanog	(because the new partition was at some unspecified offset within the filesystem)
2022-12-07 07:15:58	jclsn	So how to create the swap partition now?
2022-12-07 07:16:02	cedb	tirnanog: what wouldnt have worked
2022-12-07 07:16:06	cedb	!rq jclsn 
2022-12-07 07:16:07	phrik	cedb: <jclsn> jmariondev: I have learned this lesson like 30 times as I've said, but back then I was an ultra-stoner and my memory was non-existent
2022-12-07 07:16:07	jclsn	safely...
2022-12-07 07:16:12	tirnanog	cedb: fdisk's warning of a filesystem signature existing
2022-12-07 07:16:15	cedb	ahh
2022-12-07 07:16:38	tirnanog	jclsn: you could just create a swap file instead.
2022-12-07 07:16:43	jclsn	cedb: Will you still cite this in ten years now? xD
2022-12-07 07:17:06	cedb	jclsn: if youre still around and fuck up again yes it will be my pleasure :)
2022-12-07 07:17:08	tirnanog	jclsn: but if you're set on it, you'll have to use resize2fs to attempt to shrink the filesystem to the exactly correct size.
2022-12-07 07:17:46	jclsn	I don't really have a preference, but creating a swap partition was what I used to do
2022-12-07 07:18:00	cedb	what data could be important that you would copy it and then try to add swap to your disk
2022-12-07 07:18:06	jclsn	Seems like Manjaro created a file though. I am sure I used swap before
2022-12-07 07:18:11	tirnanog	I'd suggest just using a swap file then. it's not going to be noticeably slower in practice.
2022-12-07 07:18:19	tirnanog	especially if you pre-populate it.
2022-12-07 07:18:21	cedb	!manjaro
2022-12-07 07:18:21	phrik	manjaro does things differently from arch, so we can't really support it. ask in #manjaro on freenode.net, or in #manjaro or #linux on libera.chat
2022-12-07 07:18:45	tirnanog	(and, hopefully, you'll never incur enough paging activity to care either way)
2022-12-07 07:18:45	jclsn	cedb: Manjaro was may previous installation
2022-12-07 07:18:48	cedb	ahh
2022-12-07 07:19:02	cedb	jclsn: are you installing over a disk that was already used?
2022-12-07 07:19:14	cedb	and that contains important data?
2022-12-07 07:19:34	jclsn	cedb: I only seek to keep the home partition
2022-12-07 07:19:43	jclsn	Format the rest for all I care
2022-12-07 07:19:53	jclsn	I already formatted root
2022-12-07 07:20:00	jclsn	During my first try
2022-12-07 07:20:16	cedb	so the one you want to shrink is home?
2022-12-07 07:20:22	jclsn	Yes
2022-12-07 07:20:30	jclsn	Doesn't matter really
2022-12-07 07:20:38	jclsn	I could just delete root actually 
2022-12-07 07:20:51	jclsn	I just like to have swap at the end of the disk
2022-12-07 07:21:17	cedb	stupid solution but do you have enough space to just create a new smaller home partition, mount it, cp the data and wipe the old one?
2022-12-07 07:21:40	jclsn	cedb: I don't
2022-12-07 07:21:49	jclsn	I have 500G
2022-12-07 07:21:53	jclsn	100 for home
2022-12-07 07:21:58	jclsn	for root I mean
2022-12-07 07:22:01	jclsn	400 for home
2022-12-07 07:22:56	jmariondev	how much is actually used on home?
2022-12-07 07:22:57	cedb	surely home is not full if you want to shrink it, 400 is the total size of the fs i guess, how much data is there that you care about on it?
2022-12-07 07:23:28	cedb	use 'du -sh' on where your partition is mounted
2022-12-07 07:23:41	cedb	or just lsblk and 
2022-12-07 07:23:43	cedb	!paste
2022-12-07 07:23:43	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-12-07 07:23:46	coruja	jclsn: do you want to keep your home partition because of settings, of data, or both?
2022-12-07 07:23:47	jclsn	Why is that important? Just mounting home should be fine. Never had any issues with it
2022-12-07 07:23:56	jclsn	coruja: Both
2022-12-07 07:24:13	jclsn	I mean that is the point of a home partition imo
2022-12-07 07:24:18	cedb	jclsn: because you want to shrink a fs system which is a thing that contains data but you want to keep some of that data
2022-12-07 07:24:40	jmariondev	just for our context. if you don't want to tell us that value for some reason: I asked because then you can resize2fs /home down to something a little above that and then you can edit the partition table
2022-12-07 07:24:43	cedb	so we need to know how much of that data needs keeping if you want to shrink the thing that contains the data
2022-12-07 07:25:16	jclsn	cedb: It is only half full at best
2022-12-07 07:25:24	jclsn	It should be safe to shrink
2022-12-07 07:25:25	coruja	jclsn: i asked because another approach could be creating a new (small) home partition to drop settings there and mount the old home partition later as data dump later
2022-12-07 07:25:26	cedb	jfc
2022-12-07 07:25:41	jclsn	coruja: I know, but that seems tedious
2022-12-07 07:25:44	cedb	jclsn: no "at best"
2022-12-07 07:25:55	jclsn	cedb: okay okay
2022-12-07 07:26:25	jmariondev	LVM or btrfs would make this less of a hassle FWIW. LVM having decades of maturity at this point
2022-12-07 07:26:59	cedb	jmariondev: i feel like lvm would just offer more footguns in this specific case
2022-12-07 07:27:06	sparr	grawity: it turned out to be a dns config problem on their end, made harder to diagnose by the site having previously served a service worker
2022-12-07 07:27:11	sparr	thanks for the tip
2022-12-07 07:28:06	jmariondev	cedb it could, but it would also make it possible to not worry about position on the disk. it's possible jclsn ends up in a situation where there's free space both before and after the desired /home and now needs to move the home partition on-disk
2022-12-07 07:28:25	jclsn	lsbk doesn't say how full the disk is
2022-12-07 07:28:37	jmariondev	and a resize2fs+lvchange is real easy to achieve what they're trying to do here
2022-12-07 07:28:47	cedb	jclsn: df my bad
2022-12-07 07:28:55	jclsn	I can just create a swap file afterwards right?
2022-12-07 07:29:13	cedb	i you create a swap file you dont need a new partition
2022-12-07 07:29:19	cedb	thats the whole point iirc
2022-12-07 07:29:40	jclsn	92G used of 400
2022-12-07 07:29:55	jmariondev	you've got plenty of room for activities then
2022-12-07 07:30:02	jclsn	Yep
2022-12-07 07:30:14	cedb	so resize the file system
2022-12-07 07:31:42	cedb	also id just backup home on an external device, 100G is relatively cheap these days
2022-12-07 07:32:26	coruja	at least the data that matter
2022-12-07 07:33:46	jclsn	I'll take the risk and will cry silently if I fail
2022-12-07 07:34:10	jmariondev	hardcore
2022-12-07 07:34:16	jclsn	always
2022-12-07 07:34:19	jclsn	like Scooter
2022-12-07 07:36:41	jclsn	Oh yeah
2022-12-07 07:37:02	jclsn	I already changed the partition order with cfdisk earlier...
2022-12-07 07:37:12	jclsn	I guess I need to revert that too?
2022-12-07 07:39:21	cedb	its like youre actively trying
2022-12-07 07:40:15	jclsn	I am reading a guide
2022-12-07 07:40:33	jclsn	It says resize then delete the partition and create a new one. Sounds scary
2022-12-07 07:42:48	coruja	jclsn: 1. shrink file system, 2. shrink partition (both to exactly same size), 3. do with the resulting free space what you want to do
2022-12-07 07:45:20	coruja	and as general advice, especially when unsure, don't follow random guides you find somewhere
2022-12-07 07:48:31	jclsn	coruja: Okay first issue. df reported 400GB and I shrunk it to 384GB. cfidks says 378.8GB though...
2022-12-07 07:50:32	jclsn	So I am quite unsure what to resize the partition to now
2022-12-07 07:50:43	sensille	when trying to run flashrom i get "symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libftdi1.so.2: undefined symbol: libusb_set_auto_detach_kernel_driver"
2022-12-07 07:52:59	jclsn	Ah I guess I should not have used df -H, but df -h
2022-12-07 07:54:25	sensille	building libftdi from source helps
2022-12-07 07:55:36	jclsn	So df -h is also reporting me different values
2022-12-07 07:55:55	jclsn	I have resized the fs and partition to 362G now and I could successfully mount it afterwards
2022-12-07 07:56:02	jclsn	Does it mean that all is good?
2022-12-07 07:56:19	jclsn	df -h shows me 356G though..
2022-12-07 08:02:53	cedb	did you unmount the fs before resizing it?
2022-12-07 08:04:06	jclsn	cedb: Sure
2022-12-07 08:04:09	jclsn	Seems to have worked
2022-12-07 08:04:19	jclsn	I am already proceeding with the installation
2022-12-07 08:04:56	cedb	by all means proceede
2022-12-07 08:09:17	jclsn	Why is gummiboot the default bootloader in archinstall btw?
2022-12-07 08:09:30	jclsn	Is it bettter than grub these days?
2022-12-07 08:10:32	nl6720	some would say that anything's better than grub
2022-12-07 08:10:59	jclsn	and many people hate systemd 
2022-12-07 08:11:17	jclsn	Guess there is not an objective answer to that then
2022-12-07 08:12:46	jclsn	aaaaand it doesn't boot
2022-12-07 08:12:50	jclsn	of course
2022-12-07 08:12:56	jclsn	-.-
2022-12-07 08:15:52	NetSysFire	archinstall picks defaults for you. if you want to customize it you need to do the steps yourself
2022-12-07 08:15:52	jclsn	I installed grub to the EFI partition. It starts in command line mode
2022-12-07 08:16:07	jclsn	NetSysFire: I did not use archinstall
2022-12-07 08:16:17	NetSysFire	>Why is gummiboot the default bootloader in archinstall btw?
2022-12-07 08:16:37	cedb	jclsn: did you install the grub config?
2022-12-07 08:16:42	cedb	!aw grub
2022-12-07 08:16:43	phrik	cedb: Grub - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Grub
2022-12-07 08:17:01	jclsn	cedb: I installed it that way
2022-12-07 08:18:33	jclsn	So chrooted back in
2022-12-07 08:20:08	jclsn	Maybe EFI still tried booting Manjaro
2022-12-07 08:20:16	jclsn	It is still in /boot/EFI
2022-12-07 08:20:25	jclsn	Plus GRUB now
2022-12-07 08:24:16	jclsn	Well it boots grub 
2022-12-07 08:24:30	jclsn	No idea what I did wrong. Should I have used --removable?
2022-12-07 08:27:23	jclsn	Ah no grub.cfg I guess
2022-12-07 08:27:26	jclsn	Stupid me
2022-12-07 08:27:38	cedb	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Installation
2022-12-07 08:27:40	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-07 08:28:17	cedb	make sure to use the right --efi-directory
2022-12-07 08:29:56	jclsn	cedb: Should be right. I just didn't let grub search for images to boot I guess
2022-12-07 08:30:49	jclsn	Yes
2022-12-07 08:30:52	jclsn	Boots
2022-12-07 08:31:51	jclsn	Thank you all
2022-12-07 08:38:41	jclsn	Damn it, neither wifi-menu or iwctl are installed ^^
2022-12-07 08:40:26	cedb	classic
2022-12-07 08:50:48	Mateon1	So, I completely broke my system. In an attempted update a while ago pacman somehow replaced all system packages to ones that require glibc-2.34, but left glibc at 2.33. I left that box sitting in the corner for a few months. I tried fixing it now, but of course, pacman doesn't work, so I got a static compiled version.
2022-12-07 08:50:48	Mateon1	I had keyring issues, but pacman-static -Sy archlinux-keyring didn't entirely fix it and the online solution of rm /etc/pacman.d/gnupg/*; pacman-key --init; pacman-key --populate archlinux; fails because pacman-conf is still dynamic. Is there any way to unfuck this?
2022-12-07 08:52:22	grawity	a) disable the signature requirement in pacman.conf, then -U the needed packages from cache,
2022-12-07 08:52:49	grawity	or b) untar the needed packages directly to /, then reinstall them via pacman properly, and clean out leftover files if needed
2022-12-07 08:53:21	Mateon1	I did set the trust requirement to "Optional TrustAll", now pacman-static -Sy archlinux-keyring fails entirely because of "Public keyring not found; have you run 'pacman-key --init'?" (yes, and it actually succeeded since gpg doesn't depend on newer glibc) and "error: keyring is not writable"
2022-12-07 08:53:26	Mateon1	Or should I ignore the keyring entirely?
2022-12-07 08:53:29	Mateon1	For now, that is
2022-12-07 08:54:25	Mateon1	Actually, that happens with all packages...
2022-12-07 08:54:31	Mateon1	Not just archlinux-keyring
2022-12-07 08:54:46	jclsn	cedb: So what do I need to get a working network connection? Is dhcpcd missing? I don't want to endlessly chroot 
2022-12-07 08:55:05	jclsn	I can manage for myself if I have a working network connection
2022-12-07 08:55:46	grawity	you have systemd-networkd as a DHCP client, and you have `ip link set eth0 up; ip addr add 192.168.1.42/24 dev eth0` as a manual config tool
2022-12-07 09:00:06	jclsn	grawity: My laptop doesn't have an ethernet jack
2022-12-07 09:00:32	jclsn	I tried starting systemd-networkd and connecting with iwctl, but it doesn't work
2022-12-07 09:03:07	jclsn	Ah systemd-resolved
2022-12-07 09:05:19	grawity	if you have iwctl and it's able to associate to the network, do the same thing (configure networkd to use DHCP, or set up an IP address statically)
2022-12-07 09:07:42	cedb	they dont have iwctl
2022-12-07 09:08:55	Mateon1	Success! Manually updating glibc let everything else work, I could regenerate the keyring and run pacman
2022-12-07 09:09:00	cedb	jclsn: just pacstrap again but dont forget to add the wireless network stack you want, networkmanager is probably the best choice for you
2022-12-07 09:09:35	jclsn	cedb: I am already fine I guess
2022-12-07 09:40:24	jclsn	Where do you add the additional resolutions again? Can't find it
2022-12-07 09:41:05	jclsn	Ah nevermind
2022-12-07 09:43:59	jclsn	I wonder why this is not autodetected though
2022-12-07 09:51:39	jclsn	"Newer versions of Xorg are auto-configuring, so manual configuration should not be needed."
2022-12-07 10:31:01	jclsn	I can't even get pipewire to work
2022-12-07 10:31:08	⚡ 	jclsn sighs
2022-12-07 10:32:34	winshit	morning gents!
2022-12-07 10:33:11	jclsn	morning
2022-12-07 10:33:27	jclsn	few gals here too I guess
2022-12-07 10:33:35	winshit	i am wondering if anybody knows a project similar to xplanetfx?
2022-12-07 10:34:03	winshit	its a tool i use since... a decade to render desktop wallpapers
2022-12-07 10:36:00	winshit	the core of it is a globe with clouds from nasa. it is recreated frequently to reflect the current position of the sun and stars etc. 
2022-12-07 10:36:34	winshit	last update was back in 2017 and it relies on python2
2022-12-07 10:46:27	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-12-07 10:48:20	dav1d	A friend has a broken system after trying to update an old system (glibc/openssl versions are wrong and/or incompatible), is it a good idea to recommend him to use a livecd/usb and use pacstrap to get pacman working again on the broken system?
2022-12-07 10:49:52	jclsn	No clue. I installed wireplumber, pipewire, pipewire-pulse and pipewire-alsa. Still not audio devices are found
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2022-12-07 10:51:13	bluetail	jclsn one trick you can do is uninstall all of them, then install pipewire-pulse and then installing mpv-vapoursynth
2022-12-07 10:51:57	bluetail	it works cause mpv-vapoursynth has other requirements which are basically needed for the proper audio config. At least for me
2022-12-07 10:52:37	bluetail	havent tested with the 'normal' mpv but I kinda think it would also work
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2022-12-07 10:55:05	jclsn	bluetail: The depndency chain for pipewire is too long
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2022-12-07 10:55:15	jclsn	I would have to uninstall half of the system
2022-12-07 10:55:23	bluetail	what? no
2022-12-07 10:55:43	bluetail	u can just uninstall pipewire while keeping the other apps
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2022-12-07 10:56:08	teraflops	jclsn: is the sound card recognised by the system?
2022-12-07 10:56:18	bluetail	try to install mpv perhaps and see what it does?
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2022-12-07 10:57:14	jclsn	teraflops: How to check that?
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2022-12-07 10:57:41	bluetail	teraflops I assume their audio service is not running properly and that theres heavy partitioning ongoing due to misconfiguration
2022-12-07 10:57:47	jclsn	hda_intel is there 
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2022-12-07 10:59:13	teraflops	jclsn: aplay -l should suffice I guess
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2022-12-07 10:59:46	teraflops	or you can heck alsamixer as well
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2022-12-07 11:00:16	jclsn	Seems like it isn't actually
2022-12-07 11:00:29	teraflops	jclsn: for newer soundcards you would need soft firmware package
2022-12-07 11:01:03	teraflops	can check^
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2022-12-07 11:02:22	jclsn	teraflops: sof-firmware you mean?
2022-12-07 11:02:31	teraflops	yep
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2022-12-07 11:04:34	jclsn	teraflops: Did the trick
2022-12-07 11:04:39	teraflops	nice
2022-12-07 11:04:42	jclsn	Haven't seen that in the wiki though
2022-12-07 11:04:45	jclsn	thanks
2022-12-07 11:04:50	teraflops	np
2022-12-07 11:04:54	bluetail	the heck? I'm astonished that worked
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2022-12-07 11:05:11	jclsn	Now I only need to fix the display resolutions
2022-12-07 11:05:25	jclsn	I have a 4k display and only that resolution is availabe
2022-12-07 11:05:34	jclsn	xorg should actually detect them I read
2022-12-07 11:06:15	bluetail	u could make a modeline, but idk if thats 'wanted'
2022-12-07 11:06:39	bluetail	man cvt
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2022-12-07 11:07:01	teraflops	jclsn: which modes shows xrandr?
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2022-12-07 11:08:28	bluetail	xrandr --newmode "your resolution name" <result of cvt>
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2022-12-07 11:08:49	bluetail	xrandr --addmode yourdisplay resolutionname
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2022-12-07 11:10:29	bluetail	u can then use autorandr to save the config and execute autorandr to load the profile at DE startup
2022-12-07 11:10:43	jclsn	http://ix.io/4hXw
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2022-12-07 11:11:31	jclsn	bluetail: Do I really have to add all modes by hand?
2022-12-07 11:12:04	bluetail	shouldn't, but its the easy solution for me
2022-12-07 11:13:37	jclsn	There must be a way to get xorg to autodetect
2022-12-07 11:14:06	bluetail	xorg just detects edid
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2022-12-07 11:14:39	bluetail	if the resolutions of your monitor are missing in the edid, they miss in x / wayland whatever as well
2022-12-07 11:14:48	ℹ 	winshit es conocido ahora como friendlyguy
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2022-12-07 11:16:50	bluetail	if u want to look whats in your edid... https://man.archlinux.org/man/community/read-edid/get-edid.1.en
2022-12-07 11:16:52	phrik	Title: get-edid(1) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2022-12-07 11:17:03	ℹ 	Lord_of_Life_ es conocido ahora como Lord_of_Life
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2022-12-07 11:20:10	bluetail	makes me wonder if your kernel is up-to-date to include graphics drivers for your assumedly on-board graphics
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2022-12-07 11:21:13	jclsn	http://ix.io/4hXx
2022-12-07 11:21:17	jclsn	No idea what to make of it
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2022-12-07 11:21:57	daddyo	is there a command or program that lets me check the integrity of the installed files?
2022-12-07 11:23:07	jclsn	bluetail: Should be. Running 6.0
2022-12-07 11:23:42	teraflops	daddyo: pacman -Qkk
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2022-12-07 11:25:39	bluetail	jclsn meant to use 'get-edid | parse-edid'
2022-12-07 11:25:51	teraflops	daddyo: if you want to check checksums use paccheck
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2022-12-07 11:26:12	bluetail	if it fails, then yes, theres assumedly no edid provided somehow
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2022-12-07 11:26:45	jclsn	bluetail: Same output
2022-12-07 11:27:03	bluetail	yea. guess you have to make your own resolutions. 
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2022-12-07 11:27:18	jclsn	Worked on Manjaro
2022-12-07 11:27:22	jclsn	There has to be a way
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2022-12-07 11:28:51	susi	what are expected permission bits for /bin/passwd?
2022-12-07 11:28:58	susi	stat -c %a /bin/passwd
2022-12-07 11:29:34	bluetail	susi mine are 4755
2022-12-07 11:30:25	susi	thansk
2022-12-07 11:31:37	bluetail	jclsn perhaps install more firmware
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2022-12-07 11:32:08	bluetail	I wouldn't know which you need, though. The EDID resides probably on a EPROM 
2022-12-07 11:32:44	bluetail	we do not support manjaro over here, you could find try and finding out "somehow" what the diff was
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2022-12-07 11:34:14	jclsn	bluetail: Like what?
2022-12-07 11:34:20	jclsn	I have an x1 Yoga
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2022-12-07 11:35:42	bluetail	well, you could boot into manjaro and look what packages+versions is installed there, and re-do partially on archlinux. 
2022-12-07 11:36:16	bluetail	but other than that, I don't know any solution for you
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2022-12-07 11:36:40	jclsn	I could as well just install Manjaro again
2022-12-07 11:36:48	bluetail	you could
2022-12-07 11:36:59	jclsn	Frankly, I don't really know what I am gaining here. It is just so much wasted lifetime
2022-12-07 11:37:18	bluetail	then don't waste my time either.
2022-12-07 11:37:29	jclsn	I kick off their pamac stuff anyway and use their unstable branch
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2022-12-07 11:37:55	jclsn	 bluetail: I really want to go back though
2022-12-07 11:39:46	NetSysFire	nobody is forcing you to stay on arch but manjaro really has its flaws
2022-12-07 11:40:39	jelle	jclsn: I assume you have checked journalctl / dmesg?
2022-12-07 11:41:32	jclsn	jelle: Nothing when grepping for display or monitor
2022-12-07 11:42:16	NetSysFire	dont grep. you dont know what exact errors you look for yet
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2022-12-07 11:51:08	jclsn	I give up. Arch is just stressing me out. Sorry
2022-12-07 11:51:17	jclsn	Flashing Manjaro now
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2022-12-07 12:35:33	jclsn	I will probably get an older desktop PC from my company soon. I will play around with archinstall on that and see if I can make friends again, but right now I need my primary laptop to work
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2022-12-07 12:36:38	jclsn	I hate the green color, pamac is competely useles and I don't see any advantage in their stable branch, but it just works and I can get my work done
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2022-12-07 12:42:06	lolok	arch is not really a 'it just works' kind of distro, that being said, i think if you had started a manual install a few hours ago, you probably could have had it done by now, especially if youre connected here on another device and walking thru the wiki too
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2022-12-07 12:45:10	jclsn	lolok: I did a manual install. I don't remember it being so hard setting up the display etc. Back then I used the Beginners Guide to walk me through. I think it doesn't exist anymore though
2022-12-07 12:46:09	lolok	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide
2022-12-07 12:46:11	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-07 12:46:22	jclsn	It is not the same
2022-12-07 12:46:30	jclsn	The Beginners Guide was much more detailed
2022-12-07 12:46:43	jclsn	Anyway, I will try again with my secondary computer without pressure
2022-12-07 12:48:03	lolok	if theres some specific detail you think is missing?
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2022-12-07 12:48:15	lolok	is there*
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2022-12-07 12:49:28	jclsn	lolok: It is all there, but the beginners guide was more compressed. You did not have to read every single wiki page. It walked you to a graphical environment on one page.
2022-12-07 12:49:47	jclsn	I probably could also manage with more time
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2022-12-07 12:53:20	lolok	that was kinda my point, youve been here 6 hours, i think if you had tried you would be done already
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2022-12-07 12:55:11	susi	jclsn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8utpbbdj0LQ arch install in one minute
2022-12-07 12:55:13	phrik	Title: Arch Linux speedrun - 1:14 (boot%) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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2022-12-07 12:55:55	lolok	lmfao
2022-12-07 12:56:36	jclsn	lolok: I tried installing it yesterday evening and failed. I was so stressed out that I couldn't sleep all night. Still got up this morning and tried for another five hours. 
2022-12-07 12:56:40	jclsn	I've tried.
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2022-12-07 12:56:54	susi	keep trying, do not give up
2022-12-07 12:56:57	jclsn	and I am not saying it is not possible
2022-12-07 12:57:05	jclsn	But I need a computer to work with
2022-12-07 12:57:30	susi	see that speedrun, it may help you understand some basics of the installation process
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2022-12-07 12:58:54	jclsn	susi: I understand the basics. I have done it like 30 times in my life
2022-12-07 12:59:25	susi	at what point you fail? installing a graphical environment, or before that?
2022-12-07 13:00:15	lolok	he was using archinstall earlier but i went afk for a few hours so idk what hes been doing recently
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2022-12-07 13:05:40	Gagis	hm. my wireless headset suddenly started timing out and turning itself off even when there is audio signal. I had assumed its based on just boolean check on if theres any output but that doesnt seem to be the case after all. Anyone got any clue on what sort of mechanism might actually communicate to it that it should stay on? maybe some change in pulseaudio caused this
2022-12-07 13:06:07	jclsn	susi: xorg couldn't recognize my screen resolutions. I gave up at the last base. I was feeling like I had to spend most of my time at the computer for maintenance. I was just being stressed out. Maybe a bit irrational
2022-12-07 13:06:42	jclsn	I just remembered all of the times 10 years ago when I was breaking my system and was staying up all night to install it like before again
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2022-12-07 13:08:18	jclsn	It was also always some configuation mess. I read some wiki articles and tried tweaks here and there. In the end I forgot about many things I did and probably broke most things myself
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2022-12-07 13:27:40	Strykar	this is probably true
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2022-12-07 13:30:42	jclsn	Strykar: How dare you!
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2022-12-07 13:34:37	Ennea	:D
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2022-12-07 13:35:10	dubiago	https://dwarf.ly/IDms53
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2022-12-07 13:46:56	susi	some people like to mess with their systems, like me... I don't stress when ever I break everything, I view it as an opportunity to learn 
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2022-12-07 13:49:11	coruja	and there are other people who like their system up and running, like me... once i configured my arch system, i hardly have to touch things again (except for regular updates of course) ;)
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2022-12-07 13:56:00	tatsumaru	hey guys, can I change my root password if I know the sudo password? I forgot the root password on one machine and want to change it.
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2022-12-07 13:57:03	grawity	sudo password? the sudo password is either your own password or root's
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2022-12-07 13:57:18	grawity	but yes if you have sudo that literally lets you run stuff as root so you can `sudo passwd roo`
2022-12-07 13:57:24	rcf	!tias
2022-12-07 13:57:24	phrik	Try It And See™
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2022-12-07 13:58:00	ℹ 	akiro_ es conocido ahora como akiro
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2022-12-07 13:59:21	tatsumaru	grawity: ah yeah, that solved it, thanks.
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2022-12-07 14:12:34	chazy	hi, i'm trying to run a game with the system's native sdl libraries (the bundled ones don't support wayland) but i'm getting the following errors, any idea why?
2022-12-07 14:12:38	chazy	ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libSDL2-2.0.so.0.2600.1' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64): ignored.
2022-12-07 14:12:40	chazy	ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib32/libSDL2-2.0.so.0.2400.2' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32): ignored.
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2022-12-07 14:13:29	grawity	64-bit shellscript wrapper that runs a 32-bit binary?
2022-12-07 14:14:01	chazy	yes
2022-12-07 14:14:02	lolok	i get a slew of these errors running certain steam games but its never stopped them from running
2022-12-07 14:14:16	grawity	then it's normal
2022-12-07 14:14:46	grawity	if you put both files in your LD_PRELOAD, the 64-bit shell wrapper will complain about the 32-bit library, and vice versa
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2022-12-07 14:16:29	chazy	so that doesn't mean it's using xwayland instead?
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2022-12-07 14:16:46	chazy	i still see blurry text, but that maybe the low resolution
2022-12-07 14:16:53	grawity	do you see it in xlsclients?
2022-12-07 14:17:04	grawity	if you see it in xlsclients, then it's using xwayland, if you don't, then it's not
2022-12-07 14:19:41	chazy	ugh it is
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2022-12-07 14:21:47	lolok	if you lsfd do you see it has open the libs you expect? if its only using the system libs which you say wont work for you, maybe its doing something in the launcher script thats changing the environment
2022-12-07 14:22:05	grawity	LD_DEBUG=libs
2022-12-07 14:23:41	lolok	is there a list of those env vars in a man page somewehre?
2022-12-07 14:24:40	lolok	the LD_* and LC_* ones i see mentioned alot but i know only the ones ive seen and would like to learn more of them
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2022-12-07 14:25:26	grawity	ld.so(8)
2022-12-07 14:25:41	lolok	cheers
2022-12-07 14:25:44	chazy	i took it from here, changing the file names: https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/b08om6/guide_running_csgo_with_a_waylandnative_backend/
2022-12-07 14:25:46	phrik	Title: [guide] Running CSGO with a Wayland-native backend on sway : archlinux (at www.reddit.com)
2022-12-07 14:25:52	grawity	(which is probably better known as ld-linux.so)
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2022-12-07 18:45:32	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-07 18:45:32	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1469 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1468 normals)
2022-12-07 15:26:45	friendlyguy	i am wondering about brfs snapshots and subvolumes: i use snapper for automated creation of snapshots (pacman hooks and timeline), which kind of creates a lot of snapshots. sometimes when i am in need for more diskspace it would be very handy to see how much space a snapshot "uses". to my knowledge i need quotas to get that info. is this correct?
2022-12-07 15:29:30	friendlyguy	and, also afaik, quotas is something one should not turn on currently
2022-12-07 15:30:24	friendlyguy	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs#Quota still shows a warning
2022-12-07 15:30:26	phrik	Title: Btrfs - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-07 15:38:04	jclsn	Turns out adding resolutions is not so hard after all https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/xrandr#Adding_undetected_resolutions
2022-12-07 15:38:05	phrik	Title: xrandr - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-07 15:50:24	Malinux	What might cause an Arch install to suddenly supsend? It has gnome shell. In the power settings in gnome supsend is turned off
2022-12-07 15:52:16	Malinux	ah, when I logg in as the root user in gnome-shell I see there automatic suspend is on, so I'll try to disable it there as well and see what's happens
2022-12-07 15:59:07	vvn	can you "symlink" a network interface? e.g. have eth-foo pointing to eth0?
2022-12-07 15:59:21	noze	as much as I enjoy sway, I really miss the variety of dynamic layouts of XMonad
2022-12-07 16:00:21	Ennea	time for a PR! or a fork :)
2022-12-07 16:00:24	vvn	noze: I won't be surprised that such contrib script already exist
2022-12-07 16:01:06	noze	Ennea: sway devs are very adamant about not wanting to include non-i3 features, so no chance for a PR unfortunately
2022-12-07 16:01:20	Ennea	fork it is~
2022-12-07 16:01:29	noze	vvn: there are some very rudimentary ones to get a e.g. a spiral
2022-12-07 16:02:07	noze	but you end up having to maintain a lot of the data that the wm has access to in the "layout manager"
2022-12-07 16:03:21	hlz	question. so i have setup full disk encryption using luks on parition for my ssd that holds my archlinux installation. but i have an internal HDD that i use for storage and torrenting that i'd like to encrypt now. i can use luks on partition on that too right? but then i will be asked for 2 passphrases during boot time? i read that it's possible to setup a keyfile and use that to decrypt both
2022-12-07 16:03:24	hlz	disks? but i dont remember even setting up a keyfile when i did my full disk encryption on my main ssd os disk. 
2022-12-07 16:04:14	another|	you can set a keyfile whenever you like
2022-12-07 16:04:55	another|	also IIRC luks 2 uses the kernel keyring which should just decrypt volumes with the same key automatically (?)
2022-12-07 16:07:58	hlz	oh i see. i'll try that
2022-12-07 16:37:05	another|	h4rd3n3d_: since Arch is wildly customizable it's difficult to say "not possible" in general
2022-12-07 16:38:16	another|	you absolutely can do real FDE with boot on an external usb thumb drive e.g.
2022-12-07 16:38:17	Scimmia	another|: the firmware has to be able to read something to load it
2022-12-07 16:39:52	Scimmia	probably doable with coreboot or similar, but that's it
2022-12-07 16:40:30	jelle	encrypted boot is a lot of hassle for little gain
2022-12-07 16:43:50	bluetail	I believe full-disk-encryption on a home pc is security theater when nobody but you has access to the unit
2022-12-07 16:44:28	grawity	I believe that the distinction that it's not "full disk" encryption if the bootloader is in a partition (vs in non-partition sectors) is completely useless
2022-12-07 16:44:33	hlz	if i want to encrypt an internal hard drive that is only meant for storage (not the sdd taht holds my arch os install root/home, etc) then it's probably better to use veracrypt right? since it's a drive for holding data... so if i ever want to take it out and put into another machine, another linux box, or even a windows system i wouldn't have to worry about the disk being tied to my current
2022-12-07 16:44:36	hlz	arch system via kernel ring or keyfile or something? 
2022-12-07 16:44:43	Namarrgon	many firmwares and disks support OPAL, especially on laptops
2022-12-07 16:44:45	jelle	bluetail: I don't think anyone asked about hot takes
2022-12-07 16:45:01	bluetail	jelle nobody asked for your opinion
2022-12-07 16:45:10	grawity	hlz: there is no difference between LUKS and VeraCrypt in that regard
2022-12-07 16:45:32	grawity	hlz: well, except there not being any Windows apps for LUKS anymore...
2022-12-07 16:46:28	Namarrgon	is librecrypt dead?
2022-12-07 16:46:43	grawity	is that the freeotfe fork?
2022-12-07 16:46:56	Namarrgon	iirc yes
2022-12-07 16:47:01	grawity	dunno, haven't looked at it recently, but it seemed dead 5 years ago
2022-12-07 16:47:24	grawity	(and lacked signed kernel drivers)
2022-12-07 16:48:03	Namarrgon	hmyeah, last commit was over two years ago
2022-12-07 16:48:10	grawity	"There are fundamental issues in the drivers that mean that it is possible to get 'root' access on any machine"
2022-12-07 16:55:54	GuiToris	hey, it's really irritating. I updated my system a few weeks ago. Since then I haven't been able to suspend my system. If I do so, it freezes. It was super annoying yesterday, when I left my computer for an hour, and it went to sleep automatically, some web pages were open, like instagram, when I tried to turn it back on, I couldn't do so. I had to reboot the computer, and to top it all off,
2022-12-07 16:55:54	GuiToris	instagram found this suspicious and blocked my account
2022-12-07 16:56:00	GuiToris	so
2022-12-07 16:56:05	GuiToris	how can I fix this issue?
2022-12-07 17:02:33	keikoz	GuiToris: maybee it could be related to the fact that the "mkinitcpio.conf" file was recently updated, and you maybee lost the "resume" hook in the transition ?
2022-12-07 17:02:52	GuiToris	I'm checking it
2022-12-07 17:04:08	GuiToris	HOOKS=(base udev resume autodetect modconf block filesystems keyboard fsck shutdown)
2022-12-07 17:05:55	keikoz	So, it isn't that. I have not other ideas, sorry. Except maybee checking your bootloader entry.
2022-12-07 17:13:32	GuiToris	keikoz, but I don't hibernate, just suspend
2022-12-07 17:13:44	GuiToris	suspend to ram
2022-12-07 17:20:20	phrik	Title: Disk cloning - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-07 17:24:30	alad	CyberShadow: https://github.com/AladW/aurutils/pull/1041/commits/25bc31eee5bf71b2d33550cc8021278cf6a3eb58 could you do a quick test on that
2022-12-07 17:30:40	freddyforgetti	hows it going yall
2022-12-07 17:30:53	freddyforgetti	anyone know anything about secure dual booting windows?
2022-12-07 17:32:20	brjl	The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy has this to say about secure dual booting windows: Forget about it.
2022-12-07 17:32:26	CyberShadow	Really sorry no can do right now but I'm thankful for the effort
2022-12-07 17:33:02	alad	np
2022-12-07 17:39:17	freddyforgetti	Honestly youre probably right about hgttg lol it may be a pipe dream but I've got a few weeks off starting next week so Im gonna take a look at it
2022-12-07 17:39:27	freddyforgetti	Will add to the wiki if successful 
2022-12-07 17:43:00	brjl	The way Windows handles bootloaders is... Cannibalistic to say the least. With secure boot it is hundred-fold worse.
2022-12-07 17:44:39	alad	just use 2 drives :-D
2022-12-07 18:14:51	ChrisWarrick	windows’ EFI bootloader doesn’t care about other bootloaders
2022-12-07 18:15:11	ChrisWarrick	you can switch between your windows and linux bootloaders via the firmware picker
2022-12-07 18:42:20	SysGhost	That's how I do it. I use the EFI boot menu as my OS selection menu. I load the kernel directly as an EFI payload
2022-12-07 18:44:55	SysGhost	While I can easily control where the computer boots into via efibootmgr by setting the --bootnext option, It's not as easily done under Windows. I haven't been able to figure out how to do the same thing through command or powershell.
2022-12-07 18:45:32	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-07 20:55:36	skaphle	I have a problem with gpg and pinentry on the command line. When I create a new key with gpg --full-generate-key and I arrive at the step where it asks for a passphrase, I see a prompt but I can't enter anything. I type and hit return but nothing changes. Then after a minute, I get a timeout and my passphrase is actually executed as a new command, in plain text, and appended to my command
2022-12-07 20:55:36	skaphle	history. Any idea what's wrong?
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2022-12-07 20:58:33	teraflops	skaphle: which pinentry interface are you using?
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2022-12-07 21:01:27	skaphle	I'm not sure. I set "pinentry-program /usr/bin/pinentry-tty" in the ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf file
2022-12-07 21:01:54	teraflops	skaphle: maybe play with https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GnuPG#pinentry the different user interfaces as stated there
2022-12-07 21:01:55	phrik	Title: GnuPG - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-12-07 21:06:19	skaphle	Okay thanks, with pinentry-curses it actually works. I'm still baffled because I'm sure -tty worked a while ago.
2022-12-07 21:06:36	teraflops	hmm it works here as expected
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2022-12-07 21:08:03	skaphle	I went back to tty and it works again... maybe I just needed to restart the agent
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2022-12-07 21:08:12	teraflops	maybe
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2022-12-07 21:08:35	teraflops	… or a solar storm
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2022-12-07 21:19:13	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-07 21:19:13	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1478 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1477 normals)
2022-12-07 21:19:15	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-12-07 21:21:19	nortega	Silenced: visual mode, highlight the text, and then use "+y
2022-12-07 21:21:29	nortega	That should put it into your clipboard.
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2022-12-07 21:27:37	skaphle	@teraflops I figured it out. If I cancel the --edit-key subshell with Ctrl-C, then the pinentry is broken until I restart the terminal
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2022-12-07 21:31:13	Dan39	anyone else notice firefox freezing up often for the past like week? or is it just me?
2022-12-07 21:31:34	Dan39	on mutliple linux PCs
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2022-12-07 21:32:39	MrElendig	just you
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2022-12-07 21:32:57	MrElendig	try with a clean profile with no extensions
2022-12-07 21:33:03	MrElendig	also, is this an intel laptop?
2022-12-07 21:33:44	The_Loko	Have a look at about:performance, check if some add on is hogging your cpu
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2022-12-07 21:39:21	Dan39	MrElendig: ummm 1 of them yes, intel cpu and intel integrated gpu
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2022-12-07 21:39:29	Dan39	other just intel cpu, nvidia gfx
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2022-12-07 21:40:54	Silenced	nortega: thanks man. Works 
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2022-12-07 21:42:29	nortega	Silenced: glad to help :)
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2022-12-07 22:11:54	susi	Dan39: I've heard of such problems
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2022-12-07 22:13:05	susi	in reddit's r/firefox there's lots of these threads
2022-12-07 22:13:08	susi	since v102
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2022-12-08 12:26:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-08 12:26:01	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1471 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1470 normals)
2022-12-08 00:00:09	mpan	Yes, it’s its alternative function.
2022-12-08 00:00:29	mpan	paperbenni: other than initially somone forgetting to actually put files on the mirrors, no issues observed.
2022-12-08 00:00:42	cedb	ah yes the famous bitorrent exploit
2022-12-08 00:00:51	mpan	paperbenni: if the client crashed, perhaps the torrent is marked as stalled because it needs to be re-checked?
2022-12-08 00:00:54	shadu	wonder if i would be able to just start awesomewm with startx /usr/bin/awesome
2022-12-08 00:01:48	mpan	shadu: first I would check if any issues appear if you run without xorg.
2022-12-08 00:02:00	mpan	… one step at a time, smth smth. :)
2022-12-08 00:02:20	paperbenni	cedb: wait does that exist?
2022-12-08 00:02:34	mpan	!slap cedb 
2022-12-08 00:02:34	phrik	cedb: I shall slap you with my stuffed Tux!
2022-12-08 00:02:38	shadu	hehe i know, just when i reboot i wont have access to this info, so trying to figure it all out so if it works without xorg i can go for the next step
2022-12-08 00:02:55	mpan	cedb: we are on the boring channel. People may not expect humor.
2022-12-08 00:03:39	paperbenni	well, guess the problem is on my side then xD
2022-12-08 00:03:55	mpan	paperbenni: just make the client re-check the file first.
2022-12-08 00:04:06	⚡ 	cedb sobs
2022-12-08 00:04:15	mpan	(dunno how the exact command is called in transmission or qbittorrent)
2022-12-08 00:04:49	shadu	mpan: going for a reboot, will report back, i hope!
2022-12-08 00:05:01	mpan	ok
2022-12-08 00:20:28	shadu	mpan: that didnt help, it doesn't get past the screen where it says starting archlinux... with the next line being info about your drive
2022-12-08 00:21:09	mpan	Hmm. Interesting. Interesting that before it managed to start LightDM, but now it fails to even get you to a console.
2022-12-08 00:21:45	shadu	yep, i even disconnected the power from my gpu incase it was messing something up, but no help
2022-12-08 00:22:37	mpan	But that also gives you some new opportunities. You may see kernel messages.
2022-12-08 00:23:05	shadu	hmm i just got a succesfull boot after changing certain settings in the bios.. let see if that was just luck
2022-12-08 00:23:18	mpan	Set kernel parameter <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_parameters> `loglevel=4` and, if you have that, remove `quiet`. You may try increasing loglevel later. Docs: <https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html>.
2022-12-08 00:23:19	phrik	Title: Kernel parameters - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-08 00:23:23	mpan	ok
2022-12-08 00:23:51	shadu	that doesnt seem to have been luck, so some bios settings are screwing things up, sigh, this bios is so buggy still
2022-12-08 00:24:10	mpan	What setting was it, out of curiosity?
2022-12-08 00:24:17	mpan	And on what hardware?
2022-12-08 00:24:30	mpan	(if you got that, it’s not unlikely someone else will soon come with an identical problem)
2022-12-08 00:25:59	shadu	uhm, its an asus b650 tuf gaming motherboard with an 7700x cpu, not sure what one of the 2 settings it was, either setting pbo to 105W eco mode or the cpu core voltage offset with a -0.2V
2022-12-08 00:26:24	mpan	So you increased CPU voltage?
2022-12-08 00:26:47	shadu	lowered, before that is atleast, now its back to default voltage
2022-12-08 00:26:55	mpan	Hmm
2022-12-08 00:27:04	shadu	oddly enough windows has no problem with it
2022-12-08 00:27:30	mpan	Different load patterns. Often that kind of issues is not translatable between systems or even different versions of a kernel.
2022-12-08 00:27:44	shadu	seems to have been that core voltage offset, tho now im getting an error with failing to start lightdm xD
2022-12-08 00:29:04	shadu	"Error getting user list from org.freedesktop.accounts: gdbus.error... the name org.freedesktop.accounts was not provided by any .service files
2022-12-08 00:31:04	mpan	For that I can only offer telling to follow <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Lightdm> step by step and checking if you configured everything as described.
2022-12-08 00:31:05	phrik	Title: LightDM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-08 00:31:47	mpan	I do not even use a display manager.
2022-12-08 00:36:49	Nnavd	If you're trying to install a driver via dkms and it comes back with 'Missing x.old.x kernel headers' - does that mean the only way to support the driver is drop down to that kernel version?
2022-12-08 00:37:28	Nnavd	Or is there a way to make that work, in this context I'm on 6.0.11-arch1-1 and its saying 5.14.7-arch1-1 are missing
2022-12-08 00:37:44	bluetail	that doesnt make any sense
2022-12-08 00:38:31	bluetail	sounds like you lack linux-headers for some reason
2022-12-08 00:38:36	Scimmia	Nnavd: sounds like you have that installed somewhere
2022-12-08 00:39:00	Nnavd	I've got linux-headers
2022-12-08 00:39:08	Scimmia	what's in /boot?
2022-12-08 00:39:12	Nnavd	as in, I already have the driver installed?
2022-12-08 00:39:24	Scimmia	no, you have that kernel version installed somewhere
2022-12-08 00:39:46	Nnavd	just my systemd boot files are there
2022-12-08 00:41:08	Scimmia	then where are your kernels?
2022-12-08 00:41:20	shadu	mpan: seems that error message had nothing to do with the problem it was having, it was trying to load my xorg.conf file which tells it to start certain screens and since i had my gpu disconnected still it couldnt start those screens
2022-12-08 00:41:39	shadu	pc seems stable ish now with the gpu back connected and the core at normal voltage
2022-12-08 00:46:40	Nnavd	Scimmia: a good question, I'm having a hard time figuring out _where_
2022-12-08 00:47:34	Nnavd	ah there we go, /usr/lib/modules
2022-12-08 00:47:42	Nnavd	there does seem to be a 5.14 kernel there..
2022-12-08 00:48:08	Nnavd	it's old, I assume deleting it isnt going to cause me issues? uname -r specifies me as using 6.0.11
2022-12-08 00:48:25	Scimmia	yeah, you can remove it
2022-12-08 00:49:05	Nnavd	does dkms just try to build for every available kernel
2022-12-08 00:49:37	chowbok	Only if it already has the headers
2022-12-08 00:49:40	ectospasm	You can always use `pacman -Ql <package> | grep <version>`
2022-12-08 00:49:57	ectospasm	Especially if package is `linux` and variants.
2022-12-08 00:50:07	Nnavd	ah right, I always find myself forgetting the file listing command for pacman
2022-12-08 00:58:44	Nnavd	finally, after so long, my naga pro actually works correctly with arch
2022-12-08 01:01:02	Nnavd	wonder how that kernel module ended up just sitting there anyway
2022-12-08 01:03:20	shadu	mpan: ty for your time and help btw! eventho it was a stupid mistake i made myself
2022-12-08 01:05:49	BashedByBash	I recently commented some AUR package, of which I have forgotten the name. A Google search for "site:aur.archlinux.org <my username>" does not return anything. Any ideas how I could find my comment?
2022-12-08 01:08:28	mpan	shadu: well, the original problem was not your mistake.
2022-12-08 01:09:00	ectospasm	BashedByBash: when you log into the AUR, click My Account at the top, and at the top of the resulting page, there is a link to see your comments.
2022-12-08 01:10:00	BashedByBash	ectospasm: You're right, thanks. I must have somehow missed that.
2022-12-08 01:10:12	ectospasm	Yeah, I had to hunt for it to find it.
2022-12-08 01:10:32	ectospasm	There's something to be said about not allowing anonymous posts. (-;
2022-12-08 01:27:35	mictty	fg
2022-12-08 01:27:51	ectospasm	jobs
2022-12-08 01:28:02	mictty	oh
2022-12-08 01:28:12	mictty	i though i pressed weird key
2022-12-08 01:29:28	ectospasm	Every once in a while, I'll be editing something in vim, and I really don't want to lose my place.  So I'll Ctrl-Z (suspend) the foreground task, and when I finish looking at whatever else I wanted to look at, I'll go back to vim with `fg`
2022-12-08 01:30:09	ectospasm	I know there's a vim setting that will return me to the place I was the last time I edited the file, but I'm usually not where I want to write changes to disk yet.
2022-12-08 01:30:14	mictty	vim can navigate files no?
2022-12-08 01:30:38	ectospasm	mictty: yes, but I don't use it that way.  It will show a file browser if you run vim on a directory.
2022-12-08 01:31:38	mictty	hmm
2022-12-08 01:32:14	ectospasm	I tried using midnight-commander and vimfm, but they became too cumbersome.  Now I just use cd, ls, find, and grep to manage files.  I have borrowed a few CLI Mac-isms from macOS, like `open`, `pbcopy`, etc., only because my brain can't context switch well
2022-12-08 01:37:17	ectospasm	open uses mimeo underneath (I always had trouble with getting xdg-open to use the app I wanted.
2022-12-08 01:43:26	mictty	ectospsm: i thought they were like common feature with different names throught out oss?
2022-12-08 01:45:23	ectospasm	define "common feature"
2022-12-08 01:45:50	mictty	you want to copy and paste even if you are on linux
2022-12-08 01:46:39	ectospasm	Who said anything about copying and pasting?  I'm talking about navigating the filesystem, and opening files in the appropriate GUI program based on its file type, or mime type.
2022-12-08 01:47:17	mictty	i am sorry i am little bit dumb
2022-12-08 01:47:22	ectospasm	Without launching the GUI program then navigating through its file chooser to the file you want.  My PWD is already where the file is. 
2022-12-08 01:47:53	ectospasm	I like open/mimeo because it doesn't keep the shell as the parent to said GUI program, so the terminal doesn't fill up with a bunch of messages from the GUI program.
2022-12-08 01:48:10	tirnanog	in fairness, you did mention pbcopy.
2022-12-08 01:49:44	mictty	hmm
2022-12-08 01:49:52	ectospasm	Ah, yeah.  So I did.
2022-12-08 01:52:26	tirnanog	mictty: yes, there are generally utilities available; just nothing universal and that's guaranteed to be installed. although, pbcopy is always available in macOS.
2022-12-08 01:52:57	ectospasm	Just like open is.
2022-12-08 01:53:24	ectospasm	I basically have these as aliases to their Linux equivalent
2022-12-08 01:53:34	ectospasm	Until I don't need to use macOS anymore.
2022-12-08 04:00:45	j-james	heyo - does anyone have any tips for debugging broken audio (pipewire)?
2022-12-08 04:17:28	lolok	the word 'broken' is meaningless, and without a description of the problem, probably nobody can help you
2022-12-08 04:19:31	j-james	after a recent update (several days ago, but i hadn't updated for about a week proceeding that) my audio will proceed to not work after around thirty seconds of inactivity
2022-12-08 04:20:23	j-james	i.e. i play audio immediately after rebooting, it works, i close the audio player and wait (actually more like fifteen) seconds, and when i try to play audio again nothing comes out of the speakers
2022-12-08 04:21:29	j-james	pulsemixer seems to think sound is playing, and nothing seems to show up following pipewire, wireplumber, pipewire-pulse with journalctl
2022-12-08 04:21:55	j-james	interestingly - running systemctl --user restart pipewire wireplumber pipewire-pulse fixes this: but then it only works for fifteen seconds again
2022-12-08 04:22:14	j-james	i'm at a loss for how to even begin debugging this problem
2022-12-08 04:23:22	lolok	sounds like a problem with socket activation of the service, maybe if you enbale it outright it will fix this issue, instead of letting it start and die whenever theres activity on the socket as it normally would
2022-12-08 04:27:36	lolok	i think i saw someone else ask about something similar in the last few days, so i think youre not the only one with this problem, and i didnt catch the end of that conversation anyway so idk if they got anywhere
2022-12-08 04:32:33	j-james	lolok: thanks, i'll try that
2022-12-08 04:36:17	j-james	lolok: do you know where arch keeps its irc logs? somehow i can't seem to find them
2022-12-08 04:37:15	SponiX	j-james: I know where my Arch keeps the IRC logs
2022-12-08 04:37:41	lolok	that depends what irc client youre using
2022-12-08 04:38:12	lolok	you can probably look in lsfd and find it since its running now lol
2022-12-08 04:40:05	j-james	SponiX: happen to have the last few days O_O
2022-12-08 04:41:51	j-james	oh, by arch i meant is there a public archive for #archlinux a la irclogs.ubuntu.com (if there was any confusion)
2022-12-08 04:43:06	lolok	oh lol yea sorry afaik there is no archive
2022-12-08 04:46:48	j-james	lolok: ah, unfortunate
2022-12-08 04:47:15	ectospasm	It's about resources.  This is a community of volunteers.  Ubuntu has corporate backing (Canonical).
2022-12-08 04:48:19	j-james	lolok: also pipewire / wireplumber / pipewire-pulse all are active: although pipewire and pipewire-pulse are disabled while their preset is enabled
2022-12-08 04:50:24	lolok	and your sound is good now? wait until it dies, see if it changes, and at that point, if enabling and starting rather than restarting is a more permanent solution
2022-12-08 04:50:59	j-james	enabling them doesn't seem to fix the issue :-/ (and it seems wireplumber is good, just restarting pipewire and pipewire-pulse temporarily fixes it)
2022-12-08 04:51:10	j-james	lolok: unfortunately not
2022-12-08 04:51:33	lolok	youre doing `enable --now` right?
2022-12-08 04:55:57	j-james	nope, wasn't, but the services have been active / running constantly
2022-12-08 04:56:10	j-james	just tried that now to the same effect unfortunately
2022-12-08 04:56:45	j-james	it's so weird - they're not crashing, and i can't find any errors via journalctl, but they distinctly _stop working_ after a little bit
2022-12-08 04:58:40	lolok	i know you said you updated recently, and i dont use pipewire so im not sure about this, but is there any .pacnew files you have that may need attention?
2022-12-08 05:02:42	lolok	another thing just to be sure you were passing --user to journalctl and systemctl and arent doing this all as root or looking at roots logs for the user service?
2022-12-08 05:10:24	j-james	definitely doing this as user / with --user
2022-12-08 05:11:15	j-james	and i do see etc/[systemd/timesyncd.conf, pacman.d/mirrorlist, mkinitcpio.conf, sudoers, locale.gen].pacnew, but those don't seem like they'd affect systemd
2022-12-08 05:11:49	j-james	time to go to the forums ig :-(
2022-12-08 05:11:52	j-james	what a strange issue
2022-12-08 05:18:04	lolok	yea that was gonna be my next suggestion tbh, or check here later when a different batch of people are on, i know im in the 'pipewire no thanks' group and nobody else seems to have any ideas for now either
2022-12-08 06:49:33	HumanLOve	Hello
2022-12-08 06:50:00	mpan	HumanLOve: good morning. How did you break your Arch today?
2022-12-08 06:50:03	mpan	;)
2022-12-08 06:50:36	HumanLOve	my bluetooth gives issue, sometimes my headset skipping the audio, how i can fix that?
2022-12-08 06:52:27	NetSysFire	anything in your journal about that?
2022-12-08 06:52:51	mpan	Also, what model? May be worth searching by that…
2022-12-08 06:53:09	HumanLOve	BCM43142
2022-12-08 06:53:28	HumanLOve	Bluetooth 4.0
2022-12-08 06:53:34	HumanLOve	Broadcom Corp
2022-12-08 06:54:56	mpan	Seems like others are having a similar issue, assuming you use that firmware: <https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/bcm43142a0-firmware>.
2022-12-08 06:54:58	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - bcm20702a1-firmware (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-12-08 06:55:15	HumanLOve	yes
2022-12-08 06:55:38	HumanLOve	but why out of date
2022-12-08 06:55:40	HumanLOve	?
2022-12-08 06:55:54	HumanLOve	how i can fix that too?
2022-12-08 06:56:21	mpan	No idea. Maybe someone tried to use that to poke the PKGBUILD maintainer this way.
2022-12-08 06:57:39	HumanLOve	can we fix it, writting own PKBUILD or by editing this one?
2022-12-08 06:59:10	mpan	HumanLOve: from what I can tell, it does nothing than unpacking an archive.
2022-12-08 07:01:25	mpan	Unless ASUS has released some newer blob, I do not think it’s a matter of updating anything in PKGBUILD.
2022-12-08 07:02:03	HumanLOve	mpan: im seeing this https://aur.archlinux.org/pkgbase/bcm20702a1-firmware/flag-comment
2022-12-08 07:02:04	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - Flag Comment (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-12-08 07:02:20	HumanLOve	created a line source=(https://www.asus.com/Networking-IoT-Servers/Adapters/All-series/USBBT400_    ${pkgver}_Windows.zip"
2022-12-08 07:02:24	phrik	Title: All series｜Adapters｜ASUS Global (at www.asus.com)
2022-12-08 07:35:24	grawity	I thought cronie's @daily had a random offset like in anacron, but apparently it's exactly 00:00
2022-12-08 07:35:40	grawity	that explains the loadavg of 27 on the server
2022-12-08 07:56:22	djapo	hello I tried ssh into a machine of mine but mistyped the name and then ssh tried sshing into a random machine ip that I don't have configured
2022-12-08 07:56:29	djapo	how did this happen?
2022-12-08 07:58:18	djapo	the ip address resolved to 23.202.231.169 (AS20940 Akamai International B.V.)
2022-12-08 07:58:54	djapo	I passed my ssh config via the -F flag and that ip address is not in there
2022-12-08 07:59:13	grawity	you tried to ssh into something that happens to be a valid domain name on the internet
2022-12-08 08:00:19	djapo	grawity: I typed ssh -F ~/.ssh/conf/scp_config stagin "sudo apt get update"
2022-12-08 08:00:39	djapo	grawity: how is 'staging' a valid domain name?
2022-12-08 08:01:37	grawity	do you have a search domain configured in resolv.conf?
2022-12-08 08:01:48	grawity	that gets added to all unqualified domain names
2022-12-08 08:04:03	djapo	grawity: hmmm maybe it seems my router is doing some weird domain name resolving
2022-12-08 08:04:39	djapo	because ping test and ping staging work .. hmmm
2022-12-08 08:25:50	txtsd	Dang my pacman progress bars MR got declined :(
2022-12-08 08:28:35	HumanLOve	whats that mena txtsd ?
2022-12-08 08:30:30	HumanLOve	what i can do with alacritty?
2022-12-08 08:30:44	HumanLOve	i mean other terminal can't do?
2022-12-08 08:31:16	HumanLOve	and what wm you recommend for productiveness?
2022-12-08 08:32:27	grawity	for productiveness, I recommend spending less time trying to pick the ideal terminal
2022-12-08 08:32:51	HumanLOve	im using alacritty and i3wm
2022-12-08 08:33:20	HumanLOve	i want to look cool :D
2022-12-08 08:33:23	txtsd	Keep using it blocks you from doing something you want to do, then look for alternatives.
2022-12-08 08:33:28	txtsd	*until it blocks
2022-12-08 08:33:43	HumanLOve	mm
2022-12-08 08:33:46	HumanLOve	00
2022-12-08 08:33:49	HumanLOve	:)
2022-12-08 08:33:56	⚡ 	HumanLOve googles
2022-12-08 08:34:37	HumanLOve	what you guys think about awesome wm . its my frist wm setup 
2022-12-08 08:34:45	HumanLOve	was*
2022-12-08 08:35:09	phos	HumanLOve: run it as my daily. Works well for me
2022-12-08 08:35:19	HumanLOve	nice. :)
2022-12-08 08:35:40	⚡ 	HumanLOve starts editing his .xinitrc
2022-12-08 08:36:40	phos	the only thing that could be hassle with is configuration / customization... 1 giant config-file
2022-12-08 08:37:01	HumanLOve	yes, i have seen that rc.lua
2022-12-08 08:37:10	HumanLOve	i3 is esay to configure
2022-12-08 08:37:26	HumanLOve	https://mipmip.github.io/awesomewm-screenshots/
2022-12-08 08:37:27	phos	so I have come to believe, yes :)
2022-12-08 08:37:27	phrik	Title: AwesomeWM Screenshots Gallery (at mipmip.github.io)
2022-12-08 08:37:36	NetSysFire	also check out qtile
2022-12-08 08:37:50	NetSysFire	i use awesomewm myself but qtile looks damn sexy and i have to try it sometime
2022-12-08 08:38:07	HumanLOve	okay
2022-12-08 08:38:19	HumanLOve	googlinggog
2022-12-08 08:38:32	phos	NetSysFire: nice - have to try it out :d
2022-12-08 08:38:34	phos	:D
2022-12-08 08:38:42	HumanLOve	awesome
2022-12-08 08:38:55	HumanLOve	NetSysFire: great wm trying out now. thanks
2022-12-08 08:38:57	HumanLOve	:)
2022-12-08 08:39:17	HumanLOve	its written in python. cool
2022-12-08 08:40:15	HumanLOve	phos: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Qtile
2022-12-08 08:40:16	phrik	Title: Qtile - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-08 08:40:42	NetSysFire	also supports wayland already
2022-12-08 08:41:03	phos	ballers :D
2022-12-08 08:43:20	HumanLOve	awesome
2022-12-08 08:46:35	⚡ 	phos Writes this down for testing after holidays
2022-12-08 08:59:49	HumanLOve	NetSysFire: what key for opening terminal horzontal/vertical?
2022-12-08 09:00:14	HumanLOve	vv
2022-12-08 10:24:32	vqueiroz	What does linux-ck is used for? 
2022-12-08 10:33:26	uuidNuniq	vqueiroz: it is a kernel flavor. 
2022-12-08 10:33:38	uuidNuniq	like linux linux-lts linux-zen ... 
2022-12-08 10:34:09	uuidNuniq	if you don't know what it is, then, don't bother. a google can easily find what it is for 
2022-12-08 10:43:05	melty	why does kali linux run better for me than arch?
2022-12-08 10:44:06	uuidNuniq	melty: kali is debian based
2022-12-08 10:44:47	jelle	melty: this question makes no sense
2022-12-08 10:45:01	melty	its why i ask
2022-12-08 10:45:07	melty	arch runs great for me
2022-12-08 10:45:23	jelle	melty: so why do you want to run kali?
2022-12-08 10:45:40	heat	because obviously HACKER
2022-12-08 10:45:42	jelle	it seems you don't understand what kali's purpose is then
2022-12-08 10:47:19	melty	i dont i just installed it yesterday
2022-12-08 10:49:13	heat	what
2022-12-08 10:49:48	uuidNuniq	melty: there is blackarch for kali's purpose. 
2022-12-08 10:49:59	uuidNuniq	you should compare them
2022-12-08 11:00:02	SCHAPiE	'run better' is a very vague thing, it's just a value judgment, not something measurable
2022-12-08 11:00:18	lolok	maybe we could help if you were more clear about what 'better' means in your experience or for your use case, otherwise, wait for christmas to start up a holy war
2022-12-08 11:00:38	jelle	if you want to use kali, spin up a vm
2022-12-08 11:00:40	jelle	:)
2022-12-08 11:01:02	lolok	i have a laptop that runs kali and its great fun when i go on vacation :P
2022-12-08 11:02:12	lolok	never use the 'hotel' wifi
2022-12-08 11:06:51	uuidNuniq	apt is slow. damn slow. i don't think it is better. 
2022-12-08 11:09:48	Khorne	>installing pandoc on debian, 5s
2022-12-08 11:09:57	Khorne	>installing pandoc on arch, 5000 years every day
2022-12-08 11:10:38	melty	PUBLIC WIFI IS FINE
2022-12-08 11:10:47	Khorne	Capslock isn't though.
2022-12-08 11:11:02	melty	its when financially illiterate people want your money that isnt safe
2022-12-08 11:11:14	SCHAPiE	Private WiFi is nicer
2022-12-08 11:11:40	melty	SAME DIFFERENCE
2022-12-08 11:12:48	melty	my favourite thing about wifi is people snooping. getting al lthe juicy deets. then when they dont have those deets they are empty vessels
2022-12-08 11:12:55	uuidNuniq	lolok: hotel wifi is fine, wireguard serve you safe 
2022-12-08 11:15:46	melty	or i mean just take a job with a shady security firm and have their app snoop through your phone
2022-12-08 11:18:37	lolok	theres a lot of subjectivity in the word 'safe' and even if your traffic is perfectly encrypted i now have a local and an internet ip to knock other ports on until i get bored lol
2022-12-08 11:19:20	lolok	s/and/like/1
2022-12-08 11:19:31	melty	nobody is ever happy to know they have a tumor...
2022-12-08 11:26:58	melty	off to blackarch i go. c ya
2022-12-08 11:27:21	lolok	gl/hf
2022-12-08 11:51:10	ccha	hello, do you when archlinux python package will update 3.10 to 3.11?
2022-12-08 11:53:47	Khorne	!when
2022-12-08 11:53:48	phrik	When it's ready. ™
2022-12-08 12:01:28	MrElendig	ccha: when the devs get around to rebuild the 3000 packages affected
2022-12-08 12:01:42	MrElendig	ccha: my guess is about a month
2022-12-08 12:01:55	ccha	thank you MrElendig 
2022-12-08 12:02:00	MrElendig	ccha: if you need 3.11 right now: pyenv or a container
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2022-12-08 14:38:36	docdrow	!paste
2022-12-08 14:38:37	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-12-08 14:39:17	heat	what's wrong with pastebin and paste.ubuntu.com?
2022-12-08 14:40:22	MrElendig	everything
2022-12-08 14:40:22	docdrow	Hello ArchLinuxer's --- I'm thinking about writing a D-Bus snooper that would allow the user to configure events to search for (perhaps with regex entries) and run script.  My use case is to create system sound effects for various events.  Before I put out the effort, does anyone know of something that already exists for this?
2022-12-08 14:50:15	docdrow	Nevermind. :) I just stumbled on this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dunst
2022-12-08 14:50:16	phrik	Title: Dunst - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-08 15:26:41	docdrow	so, I've replaced my beloved "InputMono" with Microsoft's "Cascadia Code" for my daily driver kitty font. I really like it, but it's bothering me that I'm using a Windows terminal font in Arch :(
2022-12-08 15:27:18	gehidore	you'll get over it
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2022-12-08 19:17:57	Ennea	lavaball, tell me whether it worked later, i'm curious :)
2022-12-08 19:23:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-08 19:24:09	lsrtl	h4rd3n3d_, sry, can't do it atm. don't have proper sim yet.. it's intended for mobile internet only
2022-12-08 19:24:46	teraflops	docdrow: I'm using Microsoft's Segoe UI Emoji font for emojis ;)
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2022-12-08 19:25:53	lsrtl	though don't get it completely.. if it's going to work then the laptop must have an antenna receive signal from cell tower ?! .. 
2022-12-08 19:26:06	NTSYSTEM	I find that the no starch press book "How Linux works" alongside playing with arch in a month taught me more than a few years w/ ubuntu and suse 
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2022-12-08 19:26:25	NTSYSTEM	then again I did know a bit of things and used to make from tar.gz over..almost 15 years ago so 
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2022-12-08 19:26:40	NTSYSTEM	my knowledge is all over the place, but I'm surprised ubuntu is not just a few years old anymore. 
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2022-12-08 19:27:15	NTSYSTEM	I can't believe I got it right around 4.10 and 5.1 where they handed out dvds and everyone was holding hands, they were free
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2022-12-08 19:27:27	lavaball	Ennea, I hope I remember your name then. could be a while until i boot it up next.
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2022-12-08 19:27:53	Ennea	eh, not a problem if you can't tell me, either ;)
2022-12-08 19:28:00	ChrisWarrick	teraflops: does the color version of segoe ui emoji work on linux?
2022-12-08 19:28:25	teraflops	ofc and I find it more readable in dark themed terminal
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2022-12-08 19:28:51	ChrisWarrick	teraflops: interesting, the windows 10 version or windows 11 version?
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2022-12-08 19:28:57	teraflops	11 one
2022-12-08 19:29:02	lsrtl	h4rd3n3d_, I use NM
2022-12-08 19:29:11	ChrisWarrick	neat, I didn’t expect linux to be compatible with that
2022-12-08 19:29:18	ChrisWarrick	emoji fonts are weird
2022-12-08 19:29:46	teraflops	why not?
2022-12-08 19:30:49	ChrisWarrick	last time I read about it, everyone had their own standard of encoding colorful images into fonts
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2022-12-08 19:32:44	Tom^	Ennea: the reason i think for that is how X is started with a DM root or rootless. if using a DM it cant access your ~/ files, and loads something that then gets carryed over to the logged in X session.
2022-12-08 19:32:52	Tom^	Ennea: had similiar issues not that long ago
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2022-12-08 19:37:01	Ennea	Tom^, yea, sounds reasonable
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2022-12-08 19:39:34	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-08 20:03:19	evlasics	hello. my wifi cuts out randomly and does not reconnect. iwd journal says "Received Deauthentication event, reason: 4, from_ap: false". I reinstalled arch and it still occurs. What can I do?
2022-12-08 20:04:44	evlasics	oh i should note that rebooting fixes it, but it happens so frequently that rebooting every time is quite cumbersome.
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2022-12-09 15:19:22	oldfashionedcow	docdrow ALso systemd boot is very very fast in my experience - only a second extra than efistub I find
2022-12-09 15:19:22	docdrow	oldfashionedcow: I manage massive HPC farms with UEFI.... its very reliable as long as you set it up properly
2022-12-09 15:19:55	oldfashionedcow	docdrow In fairness, my laptop is the most crappy laptop ever (the UEFi randomly wipes drives securly - HP has confirmed bugs to me)
2022-12-09 15:19:57	jclsn	oldfashionedcow: No not dualboooting. I just got the PC from my company. Shredded the drives before and only Arch will be installed
2022-12-09 15:19:57	docdrow	oldfashionedcow: I agree, that's my #2 favorite way to boot -- but UEFI "native" is still faster as it loads the initrd and kernel directly from bios
2022-12-09 15:20:26	jclsn	Can we agree that GRUB is fine?
2022-12-09 15:20:30	oldfashionedcow	docdrow I also like systemdboot because I usually dualboot freebsd/gentoo on my desktop
2022-12-09 15:20:36	docdrow	jclsn: dual-booting works fine with native UEFI too... most bios's allow you to hit a key (usually F11) during POST to allow you to select an alternaive boot
2022-12-09 15:20:57	Scimmia	jclsn: yes, it's fine, ignore all of the extranious crap
2022-12-09 15:21:10	jclsn	GRUB is selected in the UEFI menu. It still does say "No bootable media found"
2022-12-09 15:21:12	oldfashionedcow	Grub is a completly fine bootloader, do not feel pressured at all
2022-12-09 15:21:20	docdrow	the only time I've needed a boot loader is when the BIOS limits how many UEFI boot entries you can have. I usually have 5: 1) default arch 2) arch fallback 3) a recovery ISO 4) memtest86 5) UEFI shell
2022-12-09 15:21:55	oldfashionedcow	docdrow Yeah I get that, but my UEFI is very buggy (HP has confirmed issues). I do use EFI stub on my desktop however
2022-12-09 15:21:56	docdrow	some BIOS's (like my razer laptop) only lets me have 2 entries :(
2022-12-09 15:21:58	Scimmia	docdrow: if you have UEFI, there is no BIOS. They are two separate system firmware implementations
2022-12-09 15:22:17	docdrow	oldfashionedcow: ahhh... yeah I've ran into EFI issues on HPE as well :(
2022-12-09 15:22:28	Scimmia	now stop dragging this off topic
2022-12-09 15:22:33	docdrow	Scimmia: symatics .... ;-)
2022-12-09 15:22:43	Scimmia	docdrow: words matter
2022-12-09 15:22:58	jclsn	So docdrow doesn't need bootloaders. That is great and all, but how can I fix my problem now?
2022-12-09 15:23:02	oldfashionedcow	docdrow Yep my laptop is nightmare. If I put my laptop to sleep it secure erases all drives in it.
2022-12-09 15:23:15	docdrow	oldfashionedcow: oh my gosh.... even SSD?
2022-12-09 15:23:18	oldfashionedcow	jclsn Did you set your EFI partition to EF00
2022-12-09 15:23:21	oldfashionedcow	docdrow Yep :)
2022-12-09 15:23:26	Scimmia	jclsn: so now back to the actual issue. You have an option for grub in the system's boot manager?
2022-12-09 15:23:29	jclsn	oldfashionedcow: How do I do that?
2022-12-09 15:23:34	oldfashionedcow	docdrow It has even melted the feet from how hot it gets
2022-12-09 15:23:39	docdrow	jclsn: can you show us: sgdisk -p /dev/yourbootdrive ?
2022-12-09 15:23:45	jclsn	Scimmia: Yes, GRUB is the only option in fact
2022-12-09 15:23:58	oldfashionedcow	docdrow gdisk love! I cannot get my head around parted
2022-12-09 15:24:24	docdrow	oldfashionedcow: ugh! my razer gets hot too... this is the last laptop I'll ever buy that has vents on the bottom... I've been window shoppin' system76'ers
2022-12-09 15:24:47	Scimmia	jclsn: then it should be able to execute grub. Unless this is a 32-bit UEFI implementation
2022-12-09 15:24:59	oldfashionedcow	docdrow Oh yeah me too. It insane my laptop. it is the most dodgy crap ever. Hp is refunding me in 3 weeks
2022-12-09 15:25:05	Scimmia	I can't remember how late they had those
2022-12-09 15:25:25	jclsn	docdrow: Have to create an ssh connection first
2022-12-09 15:25:26	oldfashionedcow	Scimmia He did mention it is haswell. I had issues with that on haswell
2022-12-09 15:25:57	Scimmia	jclsn: what machine is this, specifically?
2022-12-09 15:26:01	docdrow	jclsn: if you are booted on the arch iso, just setup a password for root ssh should already be enabled
2022-12-09 15:26:31	oldfashionedcow	jclsn use ip a to get the ip address
2022-12-09 15:26:49	jclsn	Scimmia: Dell Precision 5810
2022-12-09 15:27:10	Scimmia	this is yet another tanget. EF00 doesn't matter, only the filesystem, and grub-install would have complained
2022-12-09 15:27:42	oldfashionedcow	I take too many tangents :D
2022-12-09 15:27:58	oldfashionedcow	jclsn So what happens if you boot it again?
2022-12-09 15:28:52	docdrow	jclsn: if ssh isn't orking, can you show us a .jpg (screenshot) of sgdisk -p /dev/whateve/your/boot/drive/is ?
2022-12-09 15:29:01	docdrow	s/orking/working/
2022-12-09 15:29:07	Scimmia	it does seem to be a 64-bit implementation, so that's fine
2022-12-09 15:29:14	jclsn	Still working on ssh
2022-12-09 15:29:15	oldfashionedcow	That is good
2022-12-09 15:29:25	jclsn	I can probably ssh into my server running weechat somehow
2022-12-09 15:29:26	oldfashionedcow	jclsn just passwd, and then ip a to get the ip then ssh
2022-12-09 15:30:29	Scimmia	looks like it may only boot from the default loader location, though. In that case, you do need to make sure the partition type is correct, then use grub-install with the --removable option
2022-12-09 15:33:07	Scimmia	jclsn: why do you need ssh, anyway?
2022-12-09 15:35:11	jclsn	I don't get tmux copymode
2022-12-09 15:35:22	Scimmia	!give jclsn ix
2022-12-09 15:35:22	phrik	jclsn: <command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-12-09 15:35:35	jclsn	Ah yeah true
2022-12-09 15:36:55	jclsn	http://ix.io/4i8S
2022-12-09 15:37:23	jclsn	There is no "Boot tab after Number
2022-12-09 15:38:15	Scimmia	so the partition type is correct, as long as it was formatted to vfat, that's all fine
2022-12-09 15:39:01	MacGyver	Seconding installing as fallback bootloader.
2022-12-09 15:39:02	oldfashionedcow	That all looks fine to me as well
2022-12-09 15:39:15	oldfashionedcow	MacGyver 2?!
2022-12-09 15:39:35	MacGyver	Should mostly be done anyway.
2022-12-09 15:39:58	MacGyver	Considering the quality and general amnesia of many UEFI implementations.
2022-12-09 15:40:12	MacGyver	oldfashionedcow: 2?!?
2022-12-09 15:40:19	Scimmia	especially older implementations
2022-12-09 15:40:25	oldfashionedcow	Sorry I misread what you said
2022-12-09 15:40:29	Scimmia	they do seem to have gotten better
2022-12-09 15:44:47	jclsn	So why could it say not bootable media found then? The computer has two drives. On hard disk and the nvme
2022-12-09 15:45:02	jclsn	Could it be that it expects the hdd to be the boot drive
2022-12-09 15:45:04	jclsn	?
2022-12-09 15:46:04	MacGyver	Possible, but unlikely that that would be an issue *IF* you install grub as the fallback loader on the ESP in addition to where it currently is.
2022-12-09 15:46:33	docdrow	if you wanted to do it the UEFI way, this will insert a boot-entry in your BIOS that you should be able to select from POST. This is of course just an example. adjust kernel command line to your needs.
2022-12-09 15:46:35	docdrow	mkfs.vfat -F32 -s1 -n EFI /dev/nvme0n1p1;mkdir /mnt/temp &>/dev/null;mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 /mnt/temp;cp -v /boot/initramfs-linux.img /boot/vmlinuz-linux /boot/intel-ucode.img /mnt/temp;efibootmgr -c -d /dev/nvme0n1 -q -g -p 1 -L ArchLinux -l vmlinuz-linux -u "add_efi_memmap root=/dev/nvme0n1p2 initrd=intel-ucode.img initrd=initramfs-linux.img init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd"
2022-12-09 15:48:04	Scimmia	yeah, don't do any of that
2022-12-09 15:48:40	Scimmia	jclsn: I mentioned how to install it to the default/fallback location a while ago
2022-12-09 15:49:32	smelty	This is my go-to for arch install 
2022-12-09 15:49:34	smelty	https://unixsheikh.com/tutorials/real-full-disk-encryption-using-grub-on-arch-linux-for-bios-and-uefi.html
2022-12-09 15:49:34	phrik	Title: Real full disk encryption using GRUB on Arch Linux for BIOS and UEFI (at unixsheikh.com)
2022-12-09 15:50:14	smelty	My intent isn't really to help. I just like plugging this guy in any conversation I can
2022-12-09 15:50:35	jelle	please no
2022-12-09 15:50:52	festive_kurbus	encrypting hard drives is weird
2022-12-09 15:50:57	festive_kurbus	just saying
2022-12-09 15:51:12	docdrow	festive_kurbus: not weird, it's a best practice 
2022-12-09 15:51:17	dev4449	Hi. Installing Archlinux right now. What filesystem do you recommend to format the root  partition with? This is a simple workstation laptop.
2022-12-09 15:51:27	festive_kurbus	ext4 because high number = good
2022-12-09 15:51:28	Scimmia	smelty: unsupported guides are unsupported. Good luck getting help, as most here will just refuse
2022-12-09 15:51:30	docdrow	and easy. long live LUKS! though I want native encrytion in BTRFS
2022-12-09 15:51:39	Scimmia	don't put other people in that same postion
2022-12-09 15:52:10	docdrow	also grub is not necessary for LUKS/FDE :)
2022-12-09 15:52:57	Scimmia	it is in some cases
2022-12-09 15:52:57	smelty	It is just a tutorial I like to follow. Guy is legit
2022-12-09 15:53:34	smelty	But I understan why you want someone RTFM
2022-12-09 15:53:38	dev4449	Im new to arch and in need of help
2022-12-09 15:53:53	festive_kurbus	dont ask to ask just ask
2022-12-09 15:54:46	docdrow	Scimmia: I'm unaware of any situations that would require grub given a non-buggy UEFI
2022-12-09 15:54:50	coruja	dev4449: nothing wrong with ext4
2022-12-09 15:54:55	Scimmia	docdrow: encrypted /boot
2022-12-09 15:55:10	dev4449	coruja: thanks
2022-12-09 15:55:28	docdrow	Scimmia: fair point though I deem that unnecessary as does Fedramp and FIPS
2022-12-09 15:56:32	oldfashionedcow	I am trying to use ansible to automate the entire setup of a machine. How can I use the aur? I can't run it as root because it is unsafe, but it will ask for a password.
2022-12-09 15:57:46	felixfontein	oldfashionedcow: I guess someone sooner or later will have to write a module for that, I'm not aware anyone did so far
2022-12-09 15:58:03	docdrow	oldfashionedcow: heh... my son is taking the RCHE exam in January... he's making his arch-install 100% ansible, since most of that exam seems to be YAML
2022-12-09 15:58:15	oldfashionedcow	docdrow There is an ansible exam?
2022-12-09 15:58:27	docdrow	oldfashionedcow: the RCHE version 8 requires that you do most things via ansible :(
2022-12-09 15:58:39	oldfashionedcow	Is there an age limit too it?
2022-12-09 15:58:55	coruja	dev4449: if you have more questions, don't hesitate to ask and ignore the noise here
2022-12-09 15:59:18	oldfashionedcow	s/too/to/
2022-12-09 15:59:28	oldfashionedcow	You guys really need a .chat
2022-12-09 15:59:38	oldfashionedcow	phrik Get some regex
2022-12-09 15:59:38	phrik	oldfashionedcow: Error: The command "get" is available in the Aka, Dunno, QuoteGrabs, Success, and Topic plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
2022-12-09 15:59:49	docdrow	age limit? I dunno, my son is 20... he'll be Cisco CCNA, AWS Associate, CompTia-everything, RHCE 8, ITIL level 2 before he turns 21 :-)
2022-12-09 16:00:01	coruja	!offtopic
2022-12-09 16:00:03	phrik	Take it to #archlinux-offtopic
2022-12-09 16:00:39	docdrow	heh.. ok coruja... most of the time the "topic" in this channel is parts/joins...  oh look actual conversation, lets's send it elsewhere.. :)
2022-12-09 16:00:42	docdrow	your house your rules.. I get it
2022-12-09 16:00:47	dev4449	coruja: thanks alot
2022-12-09 16:04:07	felixfontein	is there an estimate when Arch will switch from Python 3.10 to Python 3.11?
2022-12-09 16:04:13	alad	!when5
2022-12-09 16:04:14	phrik	every time someone asks about a release date it is postponed by a week
2022-12-09 16:04:48	Scimmia	last I knew, there were some other large rebuilds to do, but I think those were done
2022-12-09 16:06:10	felixfontein	is there a (or multiple) tracking item somewhere for that?
2022-12-09 16:07:31	Scimmia	not that I'm aware of
2022-12-09 16:08:54	felixfontein	thanks!
2022-12-09 16:17:53	dev4449	Im currently at the step of using pacstrap to install the base system, already done that. I need  to connect to a wifi network after the installation. Is installing iwd using pacstrap enough so that i can have a working connection after the installation?
2022-12-09 16:18:30	Scimmia	configured correctly, yes, iwd is enough
2022-12-09 16:19:34	dev4449	What should configure exactly? Could you elaborate a bit?
2022-12-09 16:20:21	Scimmia	there's a setting for it to actually set things up, including dhcp. It's covered on the wiki page
2022-12-09 16:21:45	dev4449	Okay
2022-12-09 16:28:33	bcrumb	Is it possible to have, similar to NOPASSWD separate sudo passwords for certain commands?
2022-12-09 16:29:01	bcrumb	Also, from a hardening perspective, is it better to only use su instead of sudo?
2022-12-09 16:30:49	wunit	I'd say "no" for using su over sudo - with sudo, you can set policies on who can do what - with su, it's just plain ol'/dumb login, and revoking access is essentially "change target pw and tell everyone except the one"
2022-12-09 16:31:49	mpan	bcrumb: no, the password is not up to sudo to decide.
2022-12-09 16:33:04	mpan	bcrumb: as for the second question: no. From security standpoint, with `su` you give absolute, uncontrollable and unauditable access to everything. From safety standpoint, because of how `su` is typically used, you encourage working with elevated privilages instead of only permitting single commands to perform risky operations.
2022-12-09 16:33:44	bcrumb	mpan: this is on a system that has su enabled, so the safest bet is su disabled?
2022-12-09 16:33:54	bcrumb	and then only if root necessary log into root?
2022-12-09 16:34:04	jclsn	sorry had to wax my Sheesham table just there
2022-12-09 16:34:24	mpan	bcrumb: I see no issue with `su` being present.
2022-12-09 16:35:36	rcf	su mysql; pkill irssi
2022-12-09 16:35:39	jclsn	I think I did format it as fat and not vfat. Does that make a difference?
2022-12-09 16:35:41	bcrumb	Ok, so what you mean is that it is safer calling commands with sudo than with su, because with su you have a root shell.
2022-12-09 16:36:21	jclsn	Scimmia: mkfs.fat is says in the installation guide
2022-12-09 16:36:22	rcf	bcrumb: only if you properly restrict sudo. As often configured it’s identical.
2022-12-09 16:36:43	bcrumb	Right, thanks.
2022-12-09 16:37:08	mpan	rcf: LOL
2022-12-09 16:39:08	mpan	If someone does `sudo -i` or `sudo bash`, it’s the same. But — as you can see — someone has to intentionally ask for do that. This is not common. While with `su` this is the expected, normal mode of operation.
2022-12-09 16:40:07	rcf	mpan: If only language installers weren’t a thing, it would be uncommon 
2022-12-09 16:40:21	rcf	curl | sudo bash 
2022-12-09 16:40:24	mpan	Keep in mind `sudo` is not only a security, but also a safety feature. Do not miss that second part.
2022-12-09 16:40:47	mpan	rcf: still must be explicitly requested. :)
2022-12-09 16:41:32	rcf	But you should never acknowledge it as a safety feature yourself. Always treat it as the potential foot gun it is. 
2022-12-09 16:41:58	rcf	su is just the full-auto variant. 
2022-12-09 16:42:07	jclsn	Scimmia: The --removable option did the trick. Thanks
2022-12-09 16:42:10	mpan	But at least you will have a log entry for your foot being shot. Unlike with su.
2022-12-09 16:42:13	jclsn	Why is that necessary?
2022-12-09 16:42:47	bcrumb	Woah, so I was actually just meaning su as in the access root shell way
2022-12-09 16:42:59	bcrumb	I don't use su for commands, ever
2022-12-09 16:43:29	rcf	mpan: lies, su will generate a log entry. Or at least it used to. Maybe it has become more dangerous 
2022-12-09 16:43:46	mpan	rcf: not of the commands you invoke after gaining root. :>
2022-12-09 16:44:08	mpan	And do not remind me of the Ruby Goldberg machines people invented over the years to log su sessions…
2022-12-09 16:44:31	bcrumb	Because from my perspective it's better to just handle stuff you need in a root shell (since I don't know how well your system has to be automatized that you don't need this), and then everything else nopasswd sudo custom scripts
2022-12-09 16:45:56	bcrumb	What I was thinking about fits more in the groups category of things, I'm thinking of a system user between root and then normal user that can change a fix set of directories, when I think about it
2022-12-09 16:45:56	mpan	bcrumb: then this is entirely a safety and auditability issue.
2022-12-09 16:46:20	bcrumb	*or a system group
2022-12-09 16:47:01	bcrumb	So, yeah
2022-12-09 16:56:52	Scimmia	jclsn: mkfs.fat is fine, vfat is always the default. Glad you got it working, the reason it's necessary is that your UEFI implementation is crap and can't follow the standard.
2022-12-09 17:06:24	jclsn	Scimmia: It is a very old Dell Laptop. Their UEFI menu is horrible as well. Only a graphical version is available
2022-12-09 17:06:41	jclsn	But the computer was for free and I haven't had a tower in ~15 years
2022-12-09 17:07:47	jclsn	It has a 4-core Intel Xeon, but I could install a 10-core i7 6950x in this machine for ~200€, which would make it quite a performant for today's standards still
2022-12-09 17:08:12	jclsn	Or even a bigger Xeon with 22 cores. I will see :)
2022-12-09 17:16:38	dev4449	So on this machine, I had Fedora installed. During installation of Arch, the wiki suggested not to create an EFI system partition if theres one already. I listened to the wiki and kept my efi. I have done steps of the installation except the bootloader.
2022-12-09 17:16:50	dev4449	What should i do now?
2022-12-09 17:20:15	CubeTheThird	are you looking to make a new boot loader or use an existing one?
2022-12-09 17:20:42	dev4449	CubeTheThird: im not really sure 
2022-12-09 17:21:24	CubeTheThird	well either you install a new boot loader and overwrite/remove the existing one, else you run an update on the other one to make it see Arch
2022-12-09 17:21:54	dev4449	CubeTheThird: which way do you recommend?
2022-12-09 17:22:47	CubeTheThird	are you dual booting, or did you replace Fedora?
2022-12-09 17:23:01	dev4449	Replace fedora
2022-12-09 17:23:35	CubeTheThird	ah, then you'll want to install a new boot loader. If you want something super simple, I'd recommend picking systemd-boot
2022-12-09 17:25:08	dev4449	So im right now in a chroot environment of the installed arch 
2022-12-09 17:25:32	dev4449	Taking your advice, should i installed systemd boot now?
2022-12-09 17:26:00	CubeTheThird	depends. Are you using LVM or encryption?
2022-12-09 17:26:19	dev4449	None of them 
2022-12-09 17:26:40	CubeTheThird	cool. What file system did you pick?
2022-12-09 17:26:58	dev4449	Ext4
2022-12-09 17:27:38	CubeTheThird	ok good. Do you know if you've already had a boot partition?
2022-12-09 17:29:56	dev4449	I have mounted the efi partition to /boot
2022-12-09 17:30:34	CubeTheThird	oh perfect! Then yes, you should be able to go ahead and install right there and then
2022-12-09 17:31:43	jclsn	Nice finally some clean Arch again after years of Manjaro
2022-12-09 17:33:06	dev4449	CubeTheThird: ok thanks for now
2022-12-09 17:35:10	dev4449	Shouldnt I remove the existing files in the efi? 
2022-12-09 17:36:34	CubeTheThird	yes, you'll probably want to do that
2022-12-09 17:36:45	CubeTheThird	could back them up just in case
2022-12-09 17:38:36	dev4449	No no multi os boot
2022-12-09 17:45:19	Scimmia	that's one of may different ways to handle it
2022-12-09 17:45:22	Scimmia	many
2022-12-09 17:54:06	dev4449	Is adding loaders necessary for systemd-boot to work?
2022-12-09 17:55:11	Scimmia	'loaders'?
2022-12-09 17:57:12	dev4449	Yes. The wiki suggested configuring systemd-boot after installing it. Is the configuration necessary? 
2022-12-09 17:57:39	Scimmia	yes, configuration is necessary
2022-12-09 17:58:55	dev4449	Its configuration is difficult, honestly 
2022-12-09 17:59:29	CubeTheThird	really? it should be pretty simple
2022-12-09 18:00:05	dev4449	Yeah. Especially the "adding loaders" part.
2022-12-09 18:00:59	CubeTheThird	you just need a loader.conf, an entries folder, and an entry in there for the partition you want to boot from
2022-12-09 18:01:13	dev4449	Yeah, on it
2022-12-09 18:08:19	dev4449	CubeTheThird: when i run bootctl list, i see linux: /vmlinuz-linux (No such file or directory) below it the same error message is for initrd
2022-12-09 18:09:33	Scimmia	yeah, bootctl doesn't take the partition into account when it looks for them
2022-12-09 18:10:12	dev4449	Okay
2022-12-09 18:18:50	dev4449	So i rebooted the machine hoping that it would boot the installation but this message appears  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/pnoEnPFM/irccloudcapture6386805021223497210.jpg
2022-12-09 18:19:25	dev4449	Reboot into firmware interface
2022-12-09 18:19:49	dev4449	And then it reboots and goes to the bios settings
2022-12-09 18:20:57	Namarrgon	where did you put the loader.conf and the arch.conf?
2022-12-09 18:21:45	jclsn	How to use the nvidia driver instead of nouveau? Simply uninstall nouveau?
2022-12-09 18:21:59	dev4449	At the places that the wiki suggested Namarrgon 
2022-12-09 18:24:14	jclsn	What? xf86-video-nouveau is not even installed. Why does lspci say 
2022-12-09 18:24:15	Scimmia	jclsn: you can't uninstall nouveau. The nvidia package stack blacklists it, though
2022-12-09 18:24:16	jclsn	 Kernel driver in use: nouveau
2022-12-09 18:24:18	jclsn	?
2022-12-09 18:24:31	Scimmia	dev4449: that doesn't answer the question
2022-12-09 18:24:49	dev4449	Okay let me check
2022-12-09 18:24:52	Scimmia	jclsn: kernel driver and xorg driver are totally different things
2022-12-09 18:24:57	jclsn	Scimmia: Hmm okay, but seems like nouveau is still in use
2022-12-09 18:25:16	jclsn	Ah so I should use nvidia-dkms for that?
2022-12-09 18:25:35	Scimmia	that's one of the options, yes
2022-12-09 18:25:50	jclsn	What impact will that have?
2022-12-09 18:25:58	jclsn	Not much on xorg I guess
2022-12-09 18:26:24	Scimmia	using a totally different driver? It'll impact everything video related
2022-12-09 18:26:36	jclsn	Okay I will try and see 
2022-12-09 18:26:38	jclsn	Thanks
2022-12-09 18:27:06	jclsn	I think I have made better experiences with the dkms version in my old Arch days
2022-12-09 18:28:11	jclsn	In the long run I will probably get a new graphics card and try the new open-source driver
2022-12-09 18:28:34	MacGyver	Have you considered switching teams.
2022-12-09 18:29:36	holomorph	( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
2022-12-09 18:31:54	jclsn	But I wonder in which state it is. NVidia has such a bad reputation. Probably better to go with a Radeon card
2022-12-09 18:31:56	dev4449	Namarrgon: arch.conf is at /boot/loader/entries/arch.conf and loader.conf is at /boot/loader/loader.conf
2022-12-09 18:32:21	dev4449	I double-checked and it was according to the wiki
2022-12-09 18:32:42	Scimmia	dev4449: that's with the ESP mounted to /boot?
2022-12-09 18:32:59	jclsn	Scimmia: I changed to nvidia-dkms, but the kernel driver is still nouveau
2022-12-09 18:33:08	Scimmia	jclsn: after rebooting?
2022-12-09 18:33:13	dev4449	Scimmia: yes
2022-12-09 18:33:30	Scimmia	dev4449: pastebin arch.conf somewhere
2022-12-09 18:35:12	dev4449	Note that i havent installed intel microcode 
2022-12-09 18:35:29	dev4449	Isnt it related to the problem?
2022-12-09 18:36:14	jclsn	Scimmia: of course
2022-12-09 18:36:44	Scimmia	jclsn: did you also install nvidia-utils?
2022-12-09 18:37:11	jclsn	Scimmia: Oh I am probably on the wrong kernel
2022-12-09 18:37:26	mvxa	i would like to unlock a second and a third luks formatted hard disk at boot. As far as I understand the matter I would need to use a keyfile for it. What would be a good path to store the keyfiles for the disks under?
2022-12-09 18:37:32	jclsn	I only installed the headers for linux-zen
2022-12-09 18:38:00	mvxa	at boot after the root partition was mounted to be precise.
2022-12-09 18:38:45	Scimmia	jclsn: oh, I bet it's loading in the initramfs. The kms hook is default now. That's why the blacklisting didn't work
2022-12-09 18:42:51	grawity	mvxa: systemd can look for them automatically under /etc/cryptsetup-keys.d (man crypttab), gnome-disks stores them under /etc/luks-keys, I use either /etc/luks or /etc/private
2022-12-09 18:43:17	mvxa	cool, very informative, thanks for the pointers <3
2022-12-09 18:43:50	mvxa	I think I will take the systemd approach 
2022-12-09 18:46:02	dev4449	Namarrgon, Scimmia thanks for dedicating time 
2022-12-09 18:47:40	jclsn	Scimmia: Yeah still not loading. How to get the blacklisting to work?
2022-12-09 18:48:44	Scimmia	jclsn: as I said, the problem is probably the kms hook from mkinitcpio. If you remove that and rebuild the initramfs, nvidia should load on boot. You can then put it back later if you want early kms
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2022-12-09 19:01:02	Bayes	Day 3 after migrating from chromium to firefox: firefox freezes randomly. More interestingly, when you look up "firefox freezes" you get a lot of hits with many people getting many different issues :/
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2022-12-09 19:01:17	Bayes	can't say I like issues that are hard to reproduce or trace back
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2022-12-09 19:02:21	Ingar	does it freeze with a shiny new profile ?
2022-12-09 19:02:26	jclsn	Scimmia: Yes, it worked
2022-12-09 19:03:28	jclsn	and much better video decoding performance
2022-12-09 19:03:33	jclsn	Thanks :)
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2022-12-09 19:13:48	Bayes	Ingar, I don't know, starting from scratch sounds like a pain but I'll guess I'll have to try it
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2022-12-09 19:15:05	Scimmia	if kms is going to stay the default, we probably need to update the wiki. Could cause issues on nvidia updates without kernel updates as well, which before was only an issue if someone specifically set it up. nl6720?
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2022-12-09 19:56:53	Ingar	Bayes: you can just "firefox -p" and create a clean test profile
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2022-12-10 16:50:08	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-10 16:50:08	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1464 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1463 normals)
2022-12-10 16:16:14	linsux	so i always need to boot into windows and then back to archlinux to activate a wifi card
2022-12-10 16:16:18	linsux	is that normal
2022-12-10 16:16:41	oldfashionedcow	!welcome
2022-12-10 16:16:41	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-12-10 16:16:44	raster	i've seen stuff like this before in the distant past
2022-12-10 16:16:53	oldfashionedcow	linsux Sorry I missed the whole story - may you retell it?
2022-12-10 16:16:54	raster	it's not how things SHOULD be...
2022-12-10 16:17:13	raster	but ... sometimes it is :)
2022-12-10 16:17:44	linsux	first i boot up archlinux and no wifi, i need to boot into windows and then back to archlinux. wifi is back
2022-12-10 16:17:47	linsux	no rfkill
2022-12-10 16:18:07	linsux	i mean rfkill unblock all
2022-12-10 16:18:24	pulec	and this repeats after you shutdown the whole pc or notebook?
2022-12-10 16:18:26	oldfashionedcow	linsux i have heard of that once or twice, but never come across it myself. That is very wierd
2022-12-10 16:18:27	raster	this kind of thing happens
2022-12-10 16:18:40	raster	a piece of hardware needs a specific power-on sequence
2022-12-10 16:18:43	oldfashionedcow	pulec Maybe it has to do with the fact that windows does not actually shutdown?
2022-12-10 16:18:46	linsux	notebook
2022-12-10 16:19:11	raster	e.g. some specific clocks which you set up by writing to specific mmaped registers need to be turned on or other gates/power etc.
2022-12-10 16:19:24	pulec	oldfashionedcow: I doubt it, fast shutdown on Windows never works imho, but these shutdowns should only affect the hdd
2022-12-10 16:19:33	raster	once the thnig is on .. then the target device can be found and worked with.
2022-12-10 16:19:41	pulec	ntfs partion being read only, I would be surprised if this affected hw, gpu or bt card
2022-12-10 16:19:48	raster	the bios/uefi doesnt turn it on windows drivers do.
2022-12-10 16:19:59	oldfashionedcow	pluec Only reason i mention it is because I had the same issue with bluetooth when i dual-booted windows 2 years ago, and turning off fast shutdown fixed it
2022-12-10 16:20:06	oldfashionedcow	But then again, bluetooth is not wifi
2022-12-10 16:20:08	pulec	perhaps there ways how to do the same power up seq. in linux
2022-12-10 16:20:18	pulec	oldfashionedcow: lol, tab is your friend
2022-12-10 16:20:37	oldfashionedcow	pulec :D
2022-12-10 16:20:42	pulec	linsux: anyways worth a try, do you know how to turn off fast shutdown in windows?
2022-12-10 16:20:43	raster	when you reboot windows doesn't power it off - just leaves it and relies on the complete power off of the system to complete the power-down anyway. it just so happesn your eboot to linux with the device on/clocked and thus linux's driver implementation can find it and work with it.
2022-12-10 16:21:10	raster	everything else here then is really a question of developer work probably in kernel to figure out how to do this power on/clocking and add that to the linux driver.
2022-12-10 16:22:28	linsux	pulec, hmm i don't know how to turn off fast shutdown in windows
2022-12-10 16:22:37	pulec	it's quite silly a sec
2022-12-10 16:22:50	pulec	https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup
2022-12-10 16:22:50	phrik	Title: How to disable Windows 10 fast startup (and why you'd want to) | Windows Central (at www.windowscentral.com)
2022-12-10 16:23:05	linsux	you think fast shutdown causes this?
2022-12-10 16:23:09	pulec	got to access old control panel power options
2022-12-10 16:23:18	pulec	see what oldfashionedcow said
2022-12-10 16:23:30	pulec	it's quite easy thing to do, it's worth a try imho
2022-12-10 16:23:39	linsux	ok thanks
2022-12-10 16:32:42	jtritz	i've been using some python2 code which just started throwing this error "AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'sha1'" is it time to upgrade to python3?
2022-12-10 16:33:10	jtritz	i can paste the whole trace if that helps, just let me know which pastebin
2022-12-10 16:33:25	pulec	!slap jtritz 
2022-12-10 16:33:26	phrik	jtritz: I shall slap you with my stuffed Tux!
2022-12-10 16:33:28	pulec	it's almost 2023
2022-12-10 16:33:31	pulec	use python3 jesus
2022-12-10 16:33:46	jtritz	i'ts also advent, praise his holy name :)
2022-12-10 16:33:55	jtritz	yeah, i know
2022-12-10 16:34:03	CubeTheThird	don't they literally have a tool that auto converts your python2 code to 3?
2022-12-10 16:34:26	Scimmia	for trivial stuff, yes
2022-12-10 16:34:30	jtritz	tha'ts my next question, wha'ts the best way to upgrade
2022-12-10 16:34:49	pulec	!ix
2022-12-10 16:34:49	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-12-10 16:34:50	Scimmia	it usually needs some manual help
2022-12-10 16:34:51	pulec	or 0x0.st
2022-12-10 16:34:56	demonicmaniac1	fails at every binding too
2022-12-10 16:34:57	pulec	send the script, let's see
2022-12-10 16:35:22	jtritz	it's like a 30 file library with the biggest file being around 1700 lines
2022-12-10 16:35:27	demonicmaniac1	brcause few bindings are identical between 2 and 3 with changes to ctypes and byte handling and what not
2022-12-10 16:35:38	pulec	oh bork, is it open source project then?
2022-12-10 16:37:27	Scimmia	python2 went EOL 3 years ago, if something is still using it, it's likely a dead project
2022-12-10 16:37:50	jtritz	it's all data management/analysis code, written over several years (by me) to make my life on the job easier... basiclly cmd line interfaces to cvs and sqlite data 
2022-12-10 16:38:10	jtritz	now i just use it for personal use... 
2022-12-10 16:38:38	jtritz	but it's of course very handy when i want to download a csv file and figure out what's in it, and pump it into sqlite and run some querries 
2022-12-10 16:39:07	pulec	well, you can always rewrite it
2022-12-10 16:39:10	pulec	:-)
2022-12-10 16:39:26	jtritz	yeah, right... that's what i'm thinking
2022-12-10 16:39:43	Scimmia	2to3 will get you a start
2022-12-10 16:39:49	Namarrgon	if it's trivial enough it might run as is already
2022-12-10 16:39:49	jtritz	so the easiest way is to just start a new python3 project and slowly port things into it, probably, right?
2022-12-10 16:40:25	pulec	https://docs.python.org/3/library/2to3.html
2022-12-10 16:40:25	phrik	Title: 2to3 — Automated Python 2 to 3 code translation — Python 3.11.1 documentation (at docs.python.org)
2022-12-10 16:40:38	jtritz	i'm sure lots of the code will run as is, but my next question is about knocking the rust off virtualenv and that stuff
2022-12-10 16:41:02	pulec	wdym knocking
2022-12-10 16:41:17	Namarrgon	build a new virtenv, see what happens
2022-12-10 16:41:56	demonicmaniac1	if you don't have a test harness and expect though i'd probably not do 2to3 and get broken things out at the end
2022-12-10 16:42:17	demonicmaniac1	when it's about manipulating and evaluating data
2022-12-10 16:43:50	jtritz	pip freeze is even broken
2022-12-10 16:44:34	pulec	in virtualenv?
2022-12-10 16:45:13	jtritz	yeah, when i activate the environment pip freeze throws errors
2022-12-10 16:45:45	jtritz	they all seem to be unsupported hash related
2022-12-10 16:47:47	jtritz	what are you guys using for a pastebin these days? 
2022-12-10 16:48:07	bluetail	I use termbin
2022-12-10 16:48:09	jtritz	pastebin.com seems unsatisfied with my paste
2022-12-10 16:48:19	bluetail	https://termbin.com/
2022-12-10 16:48:19	phrik	Title: termbin.com - terminal pastebin (at termbin.com)
2022-12-10 16:48:24	bluetail	has the easiest invocation
2022-12-10 16:48:34	bluetail	u just pipe to tb
2022-12-10 16:48:41	bluetail	e.g cat yourfile | tb
2022-12-10 16:48:48	Scimmia	!give jtritz paste
2022-12-10 16:48:49	phrik	jtritz: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-12-10 16:49:46	jtritz	here's an older pip freeze: https://bpa.st/M6MQ
2022-12-10 16:49:48	phrik	Title: View paste M6MQ (at bpa.st)
2022-12-10 16:50:00	jtritz	just to give an idea of the library dependencies
2022-12-10 16:50:08	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-10 16:52:03	jtritz	would i expect to upgrade all those library dependencies to python3 latest version?
2022-12-10 16:52:56	jtritz	just trying to scope the size of porting the project...
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2022-12-10 16:53:21	jtritz	i mean scope the amount of time/effort it will take and what steps i'll have to take
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2022-12-10 16:55:35	jtritz	or would all those packages install at those versions under a python3 virtualenv?
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2022-12-10 16:56:32	Namarrgon	since you start fresh you might as well get the latest versions of them
2022-12-10 16:56:41	Namarrgon	and pip has a --dry-run flag
2022-12-10 16:57:13	jtritz	Namarrgon: yeah, i think you're right
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2022-12-10 17:00:01	coruja	ah, a moved /etc was the problem earlier, never thought of this
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2022-12-10 17:00:29	MacGyver	Urgh. I don't understand why my udev-symlinks are being removed.
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2022-12-10 17:03:56	MacGyver	For some reason, a rule like `ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ENV{ID_VENDOR_ID}=="046d", ENV{ID_MODEL_ID}=="c215", SYMLINK+="libvirt_wenger_046d_c215", TAG+="systemd"` results in the symlink being created as libvirt_wenger_046d_c215.tmp-c189, immediately moved to libvirt_wenger_046d_c215, then after creating all the by-id and by-path and char devices, it's immediately removed.
2022-12-10 17:04:17	MacGyver	As in, inotifywait just lists it as DELETE at the end.
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2022-12-10 17:06:49	jtritz	so when i type python3 in bash, it starts python 3.10.8, so it looks like to start a new vitual env i'd type something like "python3 -m venv /path/to/new/virtual/environment" , but i have a couple questions to help jog my memory.  is the path where the virtualenv files are stored? and is venv the name of it?
2022-12-10 17:07:09	jtritz	trying to find/remember where i used to store them...
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2022-12-10 17:10:10	jtritz	ok, i see, i think
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2022-12-10 17:11:12	jtritz	well, i'm still not sure if venv is the name?
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2022-12-10 17:12:24	jtritz	or is the name of the venv just the last part of the path, maybe
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2022-12-10 17:14:56	Trieste	Hi, my laptop doesn't suspend on lid close. I've put `HandleLidSwitch=suspend` into my logind.conf, when I look at logs of systemd-logind, I can see the lid close/open events just fine, `systemd-inhibit` only prints out NetworkManager and suspending via keyboard button works. Is there anything else I could try?
2022-12-10 17:15:04	Trieste	(I've also restarted systemd-logind and rebooted since)
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2022-12-10 17:17:01	jtritz	great, i have a new venv and can activate it and run pip freeze :)
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2022-12-10 17:19:16	dbacc	Hi, left mouse clicks have no effect at the Moment. I started xev and middle mouse and right mouse clicks and motions trigger events. Left clicks do not. Any suggestions?
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2022-12-10 17:20:01	Ennea	broken mouse?
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2022-12-10 17:20:52	dbacc	Just tried a second one. Same behavior
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2022-12-10 17:22:26	jtritz	so i've got all this code in a git repo, contemplating my best course of action on creating a new repo or continuing with the old
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2022-12-10 17:23:58	jtritz	thinking it's probably best to keep with the same repo, i guess
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2022-12-10 17:25:39	danisanti	can one core in a multi-core cpu have more than 1 thread?
2022-12-10 17:26:09	Ennea	sure. see hyperthreading
2022-12-10 17:26:17	danisanti	thanks Ennea 
2022-12-10 17:26:20	MacGyver	Okay, turns out that those rules need to be applied to `bind`, not `add`, for this to work when applied to subsystem USB.
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2022-12-10 17:50:40	jtritz	hmm, ok, when i try the import from the cmd line with virtualenv activated it imports fine, so i'm trying to recall how i got the scripts added to my environmenbt and wondering if there's an issue with that somehow, but when i call myquick_convert.py from my shell (with the virtualenv active) it doesn't find the mysql.connector
2022-12-10 17:51:15	speak	Got help on the archinstall channel!
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2022-12-10 17:55:14	tirnanog	susi: yes, it does. the relevant package(s) are specified by optdepends.
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2022-12-10 17:58:28	susi	tirnanog: thanks
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2022-12-10 20:15:44	susi	I was hoping for something else
2022-12-10 20:18:22	manito_manopla	First of all, how can I mention a user? In a nutshell: Ping
2022-12-10 20:19:16	Foucault	hi! I've had a deletion request for two of my packages for unrelated reasons (out of date package and wrong project URL) which I have now fixed, how can I have the deletion request removed?
2022-12-10 20:24:28	susi	Foucault: there's #arhlinux-aur too, if this is about AUR pkgs
2022-12-10 20:24:59	susi	(+c)*
2022-12-10 20:26:35	Foucault	ah alright, I'll try this, thanks!
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2022-12-10 20:45:33	CostaKuro	Client: HexChat 2.16.1 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: AMD E1-2500 APU with Radeon(TM) HD Graphics (799MHz) • Memory: 3.2 GiB Total (2.6 GiB Free) • Storage: 32.2 GB / 479.6 GB (447.4 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kabini [Radeon HD 8240 / R3 Series] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor Function 3 • Uptime: 40m 34s
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2022-12-10 20:47:20	Foucault	I also replied to aur-requests but there was no response, should I maybe also post to aur-general?
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2022-12-11 15:28:11	mearp	hi, I've installed steam and I can run some games but valve steam games either show black screen (portal2) when running or crash on startup (portal 1). any ideas anyone please?
2022-12-11 15:28:22	mearp	*valve source games
2022-12-11 15:28:56	pulec	hi mearp, so you're running native games and not using proton, ok
2022-12-11 15:28:59	pulec	what is your gpu?
2022-12-11 15:29:09	mearp	I beleive so
2022-12-11 15:29:18	mearp	NVIDIA 1060
2022-12-11 15:29:34	Gagis	you can try launching them (or steam?) from command line and see what they ouput. could be as simple as needing to switch between steam native and steam runtime if theres some library discrepancy, or could be some driver issue
2022-12-11 15:29:46	pulec	oh right, so you followed https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA and got the gpu accell working?
2022-12-11 15:29:48	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-11 15:29:59	mearp	pulec: yep
2022-12-11 15:29:59	pulec	you can test with glxgears, they are in mesa-utils package
2022-12-11 15:30:27	pulec	one thing you can do is run steam in console and watch for any errors
2022-12-11 15:30:31	mearp	glxgears runs fine :)
2022-12-11 15:30:56	mearp	pulec: I've tried that and I've noticed that hl2.sh is seg faulting
2022-12-11 15:32:15	MacGyver	hl2*.sh* is segfaulting? o.O
2022-12-11 15:32:19	pulec	might be something with the game install, other games are fine?
2022-12-11 15:32:26	pulec	sounds intersting lol
2022-12-11 15:32:26	luigibu	hi! im playing with wireward.. but im not able to route all the traffic.. i not sure what im doing wrong.. any with experience? thanks
2022-12-11 15:32:45	pulec	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Steam/Game-specific_troubleshooting#Portal_2
2022-12-11 15:32:46	phrik	Title: Steam/Game-specific troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-11 15:32:54	jelle	luigibu: did you follow the wiki?
2022-12-11 15:33:05	luigibu	yeap..
2022-12-11 15:33:05	jelle	this sounds like a typical  firewall issue
2022-12-11 15:33:19	luigibu	but when i connect.. i lost internet connection
2022-12-11 15:33:29	mearp	pulec: yeah I've considered wiping everything under ~/.steam
2022-12-11 15:33:43	mearp	this is the output when trying to run portal 1: https://pastebin.com/5EPpSfr7
2022-12-11 15:33:44	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/od7a.txt
2022-12-11 15:33:44	phrik	Title: steam.sh[47784]: Running Steam on arch rolling 64-bitsteam.sh[47784]: STEAM_RU - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-12-11 15:33:50	jelle	luigibu: ok, so it's a different issue
2022-12-11 15:34:38	mearp	pulec: I can run HL 1, Underale, A Short Hike all fine
2022-12-11 15:35:02	haroon	Hello trying to update my kernel I managed to break the system. I reinstalled and now the gpu seems to load the proper nvidia driver, however sddm doesnt work anymore. http://ix.io/4ijt
2022-12-11 15:35:29	pulec	/home/mike/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Portal/hl2.sh: line 87: 48132 Segmentation fault      (core dumped) ${GAME_DEBUGGER} "${GAMEROOT}"/${GAMEEXE} "$@"
2022-12-11 15:35:32	pulec	wew
2022-12-11 15:35:43	luigibu	jelle: this is my config file https://dpaste.org/qbQRK
2022-12-11 15:35:45	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/od7M.txt
2022-12-11 15:35:46	phrik	Title: dpaste/qbQRK (Bash) (at dpaste.org)
2022-12-11 15:35:46	pulec	so what's there on line 87?
2022-12-11 15:35:50	mearp	pulec: yeah
2022-12-11 15:35:57	mearp	one sec launching kate
2022-12-11 15:36:02	Gagis	ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/mike/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_64/gameoverlayrenderer.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64): ignored.
2022-12-11 15:36:06	Gagis	those bits seem relevant
2022-12-11 15:36:22	luigibu	if i connect from the client withoug alllowedIPs set to 0.0.0.0/0 i can navigate fine.. 
2022-12-11 15:36:46	Namarrgon	haroon: what is in sddm's log?
2022-12-11 15:36:55	pulec	haroon: nice dmesg but you should really check systemctl status sddm
2022-12-11 15:37:05	pulec	or journal
2022-12-11 15:39:08	mearp	pulec: https://pastebin.com/5cPMg7Fz  it looks like the end of a loop where gameoverlayrenderer.so is relevant however I've turned the steam overlay off in the GUI
2022-12-11 15:39:08	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/od7u.txt
2022-12-11 15:39:09	phrik	Title: #!/bin/bash# figure out the absolute path to the script being run a bit# n - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-12-11 15:40:32	haroon	sddm failed to read displaz number from pipe http://ix.io/4iju
2022-12-11 15:41:11	Namarrgon	and the xorg log?
2022-12-11 15:46:10	haroon	xorg log http://ix.io/4ijC
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2022-12-11 15:48:34	haroon	Not sure about the issue, but here is also the lspci to the nvidia driver seems loaded, but it still has nouveau module active, dont know if that is a issue http://ix.io/4ijD
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2022-12-11 15:49:11	Namarrgon	only the "in use" module matters here, the rest is just indicates availability
2022-12-11 15:50:14	Namarrgon	did you edit or add any xorg configs?
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2022-12-11 15:51:21	Namarrgon	xorg appears to attempt to use the intel gpu but there's probably no display connected to it
2022-12-11 15:51:25	haroon	i didnt add any xorg config nor seems to be any config in /etc/X11
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2022-12-11 15:53:23	ℹ 	Tema establecido por alad (alad@archlinux/op/alad) el jue, 28 jul 2022 19:12:50
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2022-12-11 15:53:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-12-11 15:53:26	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-12-11 15:53:26	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-12-11 15:53:54	haroon	the current output of tty is on the igpu
2022-12-11 15:54:02	Namarrgon	is this a laptop?
2022-12-11 15:54:56	haroon	no a desktop
2022-12-11 15:54:59	Namarrgon	then that seems like an unnecessary source of trouble
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2022-12-11 15:57:40	haroon	i have both connected one display on the igpu and one display to the dgpu
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2022-12-11 15:58:06	Namarrgon	yes, that
2022-12-11 15:58:38	Namarrgon	if you want to keep this unconventional config you'll have to write a config and tell xorg which gpu you want it to use
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2022-12-11 15:59:32	Namarrgon	multi-gpu-multi-head is not fun even won oss drivers, across oss and the blob it's even less
2022-12-11 15:59:46	haroon	hmm... so youre telling me, if I connect all displays to the dgpu it will work?
2022-12-11 16:00:01	Namarrgon	yes, ideally even disable the igpu in the firmware if you don't use it anyway
2022-12-11 16:00:35	haroon	Ok, I will test this later
2022-12-11 16:00:46	haroon	thanks for the assistance
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2022-12-11 16:16:57	MacGyver	Or, if it's a power-saving thing, set up PRIME.
2022-12-11 16:17:17	MacGyver	Or whatever Nvidia-equivalent is currently well-supported.
2022-12-11 16:17:36	MacGyver	But using the discrete GPU exclusively is the easiest option.
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2022-12-11 19:47:15	ℹ 	wallabra_ es conocido ahora como wallabra
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2022-12-12 18:00:09	docdrow	Anyone know of a tool like "xlsfonts" but will actually show you what the font looks like?
2022-12-12 18:03:05	gromit	docdrow: I sometimes use community/font-manager to scroll fonts 
2022-12-12 18:04:37	stefanc_diff	docdrow: I've used gnome-font-viewer for this purpose, works fine.
2022-12-12 18:28:44	docdrow	hmm,, found this in AUR: "fontmatrix" - its a bit of a heavy build though hhe
2022-12-12 18:36:51	Ennea	docdrow, eeey, a fellow cascadia user
2022-12-12 18:36:54	Ennea	that typeface is amazing
2022-12-12 18:38:24	docdrow	Ennea: I'm think about buying "operator"... also check this out http://comicneue.com/
2022-12-12 18:38:25	phrik	Title: Get Comic Neue (at comicneue.com)
2022-12-12 18:58:57	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-12 18:59:53	xandaros	I can run memtester and see about 20G available in free and htop. Spamming the free command will eventually fail because it couldn't allocate. If I am somehow running out of all 32G, it hides most of the usage
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2022-12-12 19:00:55	xandaros	I don't know which boot session in particular you want, but I can certainly replicate any situation and get you a new log
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2022-12-12 19:01:22	xandaros	I did saturate the RAM before generating that kernel log, but was afraid it would kill my IRC client :D
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2022-12-12 19:02:37	teraflops	docdrow: there is gnome-font-viewer
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2022-12-12 19:02:59	Namarrgon	xandaros: either find a past one in --list-boots or reproduce it again
2022-12-12 19:03:07	Namarrgon	*journalctl --list-boots
2022-12-12 19:03:23	Namarrgon	and stop running memtester for no reason
2022-12-12 19:03:24	xandaros	reproduce what exactly? Just allocation failures?
2022-12-12 19:03:27	Namarrgon	yes
2022-12-12 19:03:32	xandaros	alright
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2022-12-12 19:03:59	bea	https://www.hedd.audio/products/heddphone
2022-12-12 19:04:00	phrik	Title: HEDD Audio - The HEDDphone® – HEDD Audio | Heinz Electrodynamic Designs (at www.hedd.audio)
2022-12-12 19:04:04	bea	whoops wrong chnanel
2022-12-12 19:04:50	docdrow	teraflops: thanks!
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2022-12-12 19:07:58	xandaros	https://pastebin.com/fi2122RV
2022-12-12 19:07:59	phrik	Title: [ 0.000000] Linux version 6.0.11-arch1-1 (linux@archlinux) (gcc (GCC) 12.2.0, - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-12-12 19:08:00	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/onK_.txt
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2022-12-12 19:08:36	teraflops	docdrow: if you want something that pulls in less deps or just want to see how a given font looks like, you can use something like: FREETYPE_PROPERTIES="truetype:interpreter-version=35" ftview -d 1920x1080x24 37 /usr/share/fonts/adobe-source-code-pro/SourceCodePro-BlackIt.otf 
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2022-12-12 19:11:07	docdrow	teraflops: I was foolin' with this: https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/preview-fonts-in-the-command-line-on-linux/
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2022-12-12 19:13:46	teraflops	docdrow: ftview is made for that
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2022-12-12 19:14:37	xandaros	Namarrgon: I don't see anything relevant whatsoever in that log. Does anything actually get reported if you run out of memory?
2022-12-12 19:14:39	docdrow	teraflops: I see that, I just made it into a handy shell alias... thanks again :-)
2022-12-12 19:14:48	teraflops	np ;)
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2022-12-12 19:16:05	lsrtl	how to list all installed packages(including aur) by the disk size occupied desc?
2022-12-12 19:16:29	Namarrgon	xandaros: it depends the type of failure, some programs handle it gracefully and then there won't be anything in the kernel log
2022-12-12 19:16:59	Namarrgon	xandaros: check the log of the program that failed and the general journal
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2022-12-12 19:20:51	gromit	lsrtl: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#With_size
2022-12-12 19:20:52	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-12 19:21:35	⚡ 	gromit starts to uninstall a big package
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2022-12-12 19:23:59	xandaros	Namarrgon: Alright, swapped things around and had Firefox crash this time. Firefox's output: https://pastebin.com/dLdqdAQh
2022-12-12 19:24:00	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/onKY.txt
2022-12-12 19:24:00	phrik	Title: [GFX1-]: glxtest: VA-API test failed: failed to initialise VAAPI connection.[2 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-12-12 19:24:47	xandaros	Namarrgon: And new kernel log: https://pastebin.com/BVGQKp9Q
2022-12-12 19:24:48	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/onKg.txt
2022-12-12 19:24:48	phrik	Title: [ 0.000000] Linux version 6.0.11-arch1-1 (linux@archlinux) (gcc (GCC) 12.2.0, - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-12-12 19:27:20	xandaros	Namarrgon: So... found the problem...
2022-12-12 19:27:26	xandaros	overcommit was turned off
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2022-12-12 19:27:46	Namarrgon	how did that happen?
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2022-12-12 19:28:27	xandaros	Excellent question. I definitely did that myself, but f knows why
2022-12-12 19:29:13	xandaros	It was probably in relation to running a Windows VM with GPU passthrough
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2022-12-12 19:31:59	xandaros	Thank you very much for the help, though. I was about to give up before joining here
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2022-12-12 19:32:30	Namarrgon	np
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2022-12-12 19:43:49	plujon	Something I don't understand: why does https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/brave exists when there is https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/brave-bin ?  I waded through some of the comment history, but I don't understand why...
2022-12-12 19:43:55	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - brave-bin (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2022-12-12 19:45:04	Namarrgon	one builds from source and the other repackages a binary
2022-12-12 19:45:24	teraflops	phrik: there are people that like wasting CPU cycles
2022-12-12 19:45:25	phrik	teraflops: BLEEP BLOOP
2022-12-12 19:45:30	teraflops	!f
2022-12-12 19:45:31	phrik	AAH THE FAILURE! IT BURNS!
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2022-12-12 19:47:13	ℹ 	Gento167 es conocido ahora como Gento166
2022-12-12 19:48:21	plujon	Namarrgon: Yeah, but ... why?  Who would want to build Brave from source?  And why does the source version get the shorter "brave" name?
2022-12-12 19:48:59	Namarrgon	someone might prefer it built with native libraries or just having control over the build options
2022-12-12 19:49:02	plujon	Context: I had somebody just tell me they did: `yay -S brave` .  It failed.  Only after some digging was it discovered that there was brave-bin .
2022-12-12 19:49:25	Namarrgon	explain the AUR package suffixes to them
2022-12-12 19:49:39	plujon	Is this the common convention?
2022-12-12 19:49:43	Namarrgon	and how to use yay's search feature
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2022-12-12 19:49:58	Namarrgon	this is how binary re-packages are marked, yes
2022-12-12 19:50:06	plujon	Huh?  Since when did Arch prefer source packages?
2022-12-12 19:50:22	⚡ 	plujon checks channel name to make sure it's not #gentoo
2022-12-12 19:50:32	teraflops	that's the AUR not related to whar arch linux packages
2022-12-12 19:50:33	Namarrgon	this has been convention for as long as i can remember
2022-12-12 19:50:44	teraflops	!aur
2022-12-12 19:50:44	phrik	The trash heap of Arch. Dig around enough and maybe you will find some gold.
2022-12-12 19:51:16	plujon	Ah, so packaging from source is the usual way to put a package on AUR?
2022-12-12 19:51:26	Namarrgon	yes, if the source is available
2022-12-12 19:51:49	Namarrgon	for projects where this is not the case the -bin suffix may be omitted
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2022-12-12 19:53:11	plujon	Well, thanks for the explanation.  Maybe this makes sense for the majority of packages.  For crhomium-based, ones it is surprising, given how big Chromium is.
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2022-12-12 19:53:36	plujon	(but I can see how this would be done for consistency)
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2022-12-12 19:53:56	ℹ 	AntiComposite es conocido ahora como AntiKrampus
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2022-12-12 19:54:24	ℹ 	AntiKrampus es conocido ahora como SantiComposite
2022-12-12 19:54:55	Namarrgon	use the search function and check the PKGBUILD before you install some random crap from the AUR
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2022-12-13 17:36:46	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-13 17:36:46	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1461 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1460 normals)
2022-12-13 17:36:49	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-12-13 17:37:05	stefanc_diff	docdrow: afaik the only wayland native WM is sway which duplicates the features of i3. 
2022-12-13 17:37:25	docdrow	yea I just saw that way cooler is a dead project as of 2022
2022-12-13 17:37:45	docdrow	I've not used i3 but a lot of people like it.
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2022-12-13 17:41:48	stefanc_diff	it will probably take a while for multiple WMs to be ported to Wayland. Knowing that these are community driven projects (aka in people's spare time)
2022-12-13 17:41:55	Khorne	docdrow, waycooler is dead
2022-12-13 17:42:09	Khorne	archived 4 years ago or something
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2022-12-13 18:54:21	ℹ 	rayanamukami42 es conocido ahora como rayanamukami4
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2022-12-13 18:54:21	ℹ 	sunarch_ es conocido ahora como sunarch
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2022-12-13 18:55:30	ℹ 	Pingerfowder_ es conocido ahora como Pingerfowder
2022-12-13 18:55:30	ℹ 	KDDLB8 es conocido ahora como KDDLB
2022-12-13 18:55:30	ℹ 	artefact_ es conocido ahora como artefact
2022-12-13 18:55:30	ℹ 	davis00 es conocido ahora como davis0
2022-12-13 18:55:31	ℹ 	useful_idiot4 es conocido ahora como useful_idiot
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2022-12-13 18:56:39	ℹ 	SpydarOO7 es conocido ahora como Spydar007
2022-12-13 18:57:13	vqueiroz	How to set clang as the default compiler?
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2022-12-13 18:59:33	BrainDamage	up to the build system, for most setting CC and CXX to clang suffices, but YMMV
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2022-12-13 19:01:54	ℹ 	Momentum_ es conocido ahora como Momentum
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2022-12-13 19:10:46	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-13 19:10:46	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1455 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1454 normals)
2022-12-13 19:10:48	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-13 19:19:07	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-13 19:19:07	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1455 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1454 normals)
2022-12-13 19:19:10	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-13 19:33:04	mys_721tx	Hello all! While trying to make mkinitcpio and unified kernel image to work on Arch Linux ARM, I discovered that mkinitcpio hard coded the VMA and imposed a size limit on the kernel image.
2022-12-13 19:33:18	mys_721tx	relevant issue: https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/pull/1910
2022-12-13 19:33:44	mys_721tx	Would it be a good idea to set the VMA offset with the actual size of the file instead?
2022-12-13 19:34:11	mys_721tx	like the one on wiki
2022-12-13 19:34:11	mys_721tx	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_kernel_image#Manually
2022-12-13 19:34:12	phrik	Title: Unified kernel image - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-13 19:36:41	mys_721tx	I'll be more than happy to work on a pull request
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2022-12-13 19:43:05	teraflops	mys_721tx: arch linux arm is a different distro
2022-12-13 19:43:17	teraflops	!alarm
2022-12-13 19:43:18	phrik	If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
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2022-12-13 19:44:23	mys_721tx	Yes, I understand that
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2022-12-13 19:44:52	mys_721tx	I am hoping to patch mkinitcpio directly
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2022-12-14 17:11:34	heat	powftw, which gpu
2022-12-14 17:11:54	powftw	Laptop is Dell latitude 7490 
2022-12-14 17:12:01	powftw	Intel HPI
2022-12-14 17:12:07	powftw	GPU*
2022-12-14 17:12:38	heat	that's weird, you have the same GPU as me
2022-12-14 17:12:43	heat	it /should/ be well supported
2022-12-14 17:12:47	lolok	you ever seen anything like that in your life Scimmia? graphical corruption after a mount? it happened consistently enough he was able to get it on camera...
2022-12-14 17:13:03	heat	I have seen that DRM error before but it's usually benign
2022-12-14 17:13:20	Jkx	Hi guys, I'm trying a fresh install on a Dell. I managed to get Arch booting w/ UEFI, but the kernel complain it is unable to find root partition.
2022-12-14 17:13:36	Scimmia	I've seen things like that, but it's usually either there or not, I've never seen it happen after a simple command
2022-12-14 17:14:02	Scimmia	Jkx: what did you specify for the root partition?
2022-12-14 17:14:25	Jkx	Scimmia: nothing this is the default boot
2022-12-14 17:14:37	lolok	when i figure out how mounting a drive and driving a display are connected ill be sure to inform everyone
2022-12-14 17:14:41	Scimmia	Jkx: the root= entry in your bootloader
2022-12-14 17:14:56	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-12-14 17:15:02	Jkx	just the default for usb boot. 
2022-12-14 17:15:11	Scimmia	there is no default
2022-12-14 17:15:17	Jkx	I didn't managed to boot.
2022-12-14 17:15:20	heat	lolok, typing characters and executing the command draw to the screen
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2022-12-14 17:15:53	powftw	heat: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/o5BhKH1y
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2022-12-14 17:15:59	powftw	Did you see those warnings
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2022-12-14 17:16:17	powftw	Does it make that drm problem?
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2022-12-14 17:16:25	Scimmia	those warnings are fine
2022-12-14 17:16:46	lolok	but then it should happen with some other commands too heat
2022-12-14 17:17:03	heat	do you know if it doesn't?
2022-12-14 17:17:13	powftw	lolok: the only command I ran is mount after booting 
2022-12-14 17:17:19	heat	^
2022-12-14 17:17:26	lolok	hmm that would be an interesting test to run
2022-12-14 17:17:46	Jkx	Scimmia: I dded the arch.iso to USB-flash-drive, boot, but the boot doesn't end, I get a initramfs prompt
2022-12-14 17:18:03	lolok	boot up and run random commands until you corrupt the framebuffer ram
2022-12-14 17:18:08	Namarrgon	Jkx: what was the full command?
2022-12-14 17:18:45	Jkx	Namarrgon: For dd ? 
2022-12-14 17:18:53	Namarrgon	yes
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2022-12-14 17:19:13	Jkx	sudo dd bs=4M if=./arch.iso of=/dev/sdb status=progress oflag=sync
2022-12-14 17:19:33	lolok	oh wait powftw i forgot the whole point of doing the install was now you can get this to happen and reboot to check the logs after and see if anything else is happening
2022-12-14 17:19:59	lolok	just because thie drm error is not the problem doesnt mean we dont have a lot more new info now
2022-12-14 17:20:07	Namarrgon	Jkx: is this the December iso? did you verify the checksum or signature?
2022-12-14 17:20:18	Namarrgon	and which dell is this?
2022-12-14 17:20:42	Jkx	optiplex 7060
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2022-12-14 17:20:50	lolok	i was afk a bit maybe i missed that part already happen
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2022-12-14 17:22:31	Jkx	Namarrgon: I gonna try w/ the december release, but I think this will change nothing.
2022-12-14 17:23:20	Jkx	Namarrgon: I think this is an issue w/ Dell, cause I get the same issue w/ a latitude 7410 the last time I tested
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2022-12-14 17:23:59	Jkx	I tried w/ SecureBoot enable and disable still the same issue.
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2022-12-14 17:28:41	mpan	`cmp your-iso /dev/your-flash`
2022-12-14 17:30:01	mpan	(I assume the flash medium has been removed from the port after being written, so you will not be reading from cache)
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2022-12-14 17:48:52	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-14 17:53:18	powftw	lolok: the main issue i have is the partition thing. I should delete existing EFI and create new one from of 300MB. Btw, if I delete this sda1 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/0N1qtLRn/irccloudcapture689048657197905292.jpg
2022-12-14 17:53:25	powftw	Will it be merged to sda2?
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2022-12-14 17:54:00	powftw	Sda2 is ~496GB
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2022-12-14 17:54:12	grawity	no, you will have a 96MB unallocated area
2022-12-14 17:54:15	powftw	Total I have only 2 partitions. Sda1,2
2022-12-14 17:54:38	powftw	grawity: what should I do to merge it with sda2
2022-12-14 17:54:48	grawity	if it's right *after* sda2, then sda2 could be extended to cover the new unallocated area
2022-12-14 17:55:01	grawity	if it's anywhere else -- including if it's before sda2 (which I assume it is), ehhhhhhhhh
2022-12-14 17:55:28	grawity	you could use GParted to *move* sda2 slightly to the left, but moving whole 500GB just for 100MB is probably not worth it
2022-12-14 17:55:34	Namarrgon	leave the empty space, you probaby won't miss 100mb
2022-12-14 17:55:48	grawity	filesystem resize tools generally do not support adjusting metadata to add space at the beginning
2022-12-14 17:55:56	lolok	technically you can delete sda2 and expand sda1 but youre gonna have to reinstall anyway so you gotta either delete both or just make a new partition table which will effectively do the same thing
2022-12-14 17:56:02	grawity	so the only option is to move the whole filesystem
2022-12-14 17:56:38	lolok	i guess you probably could shring but thats painful
2022-12-14 17:56:41	lolok	shrink*
2022-12-14 17:56:43	powftw	can i expand that 100mb ? From sda2 
2022-12-14 17:56:57	lolok	if you can shring sda2 yea
2022-12-14 17:57:01	lolok	shrink* omg
2022-12-14 17:57:25	lolok	the g and k are 3 keys apart...
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2022-12-14 17:57:45	gehidore	good work
2022-12-14 17:57:51	powftw	I'll boot into gparted iso and do the stuff. 
2022-12-14 17:57:52	grawity	powftw: do you have data in sda2?
2022-12-14 17:58:04	powftw	grawity: it's fresh laptop 
2022-12-14 17:58:16	powftw	Nothing 
2022-12-14 17:58:20	powftw	No Os
2022-12-14 17:58:25	grawity	easier to delete the entire sda2 then and re-create it fresh
2022-12-14 17:58:35	grawity	and much faster than moving 500GB of data
2022-12-14 17:58:55	grawity	(gparted doesn't know which areas of the partition are "used", it would move everything)
2022-12-14 17:59:01	powftw	If I delete sda2, will it merge with sda1?
2022-12-14 17:59:06	lolok	probably delete both anyway tho, since whatever is in sda1 [esp] will be useless, since theres no os anyway
2022-12-14 17:59:18	grawity	uh, if you delete sda2 it will be deleted
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2022-12-14 17:59:36	grawity	it doesn't "merge with" anything, it literally gets deleted
2022-12-14 17:59:42	powftw	grawity: If I delete sda2 and sda1 ?
2022-12-14 17:59:56	grawity	then they both get deleted and the entire disk is 100% "unallocated space"
2022-12-14 18:00:01	grawity	for creating a new big sda1
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2022-12-14 18:00:27	lolok	'big'
2022-12-14 18:00:38	grawity	I mean compared to 100MB it is
2022-12-14 18:00:38	powftw	https://youtu.be/eVNUaGezuiQ
2022-12-14 18:00:42	lolok	true
2022-12-14 18:00:48	powftw	Like this^^
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2022-12-14 18:01:48	lolok	in gparted go to the menu at the top: device > create partition table
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2022-12-14 18:02:09	lolok	make sure you got the right device selected lol
2022-12-14 18:02:24	powftw	Yea. 
2022-12-14 18:02:49	nl6720	does gparted create aligned partitions?
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2022-12-14 18:03:08	powftw	I'll make that 300mb tomorrow. But I felt weird when h4rd3n3d: said that he only occupied 100mb for 2 kernels 
2022-12-14 18:03:37	lolok	he is not generating fallback images probably
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2022-12-14 18:04:12	Jkx	Namarrgon: I booted w/ the december arch.iso and everything is Ok.. really don't know why.
2022-12-14 18:04:28	Jkx	Namarrgon: but that works. Thx
2022-12-14 18:04:33	teraflops	!magic
2022-12-14 18:04:34	⚡ 	phrik pulls a rabbit out of phaise's hat
2022-12-14 18:04:49	powftw	lolok: about the DRM error, journalctl will show what happened?
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2022-12-14 18:05:25	lolok	i suspect it will give more context at least
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2022-12-14 18:05:34	lolok	cant say before ive seen it tho
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2022-12-14 18:05:55	grawity	damn "This system expresses time with a 32-bit time_t; that prevents dates after 2038 to be expressed by GnuTLS."
2022-12-14 18:06:06	powftw	May be I'll install and later delete nomodeset after successful install. 
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2022-12-14 18:06:30	powftw	for a moment I thought my display is getting permanently damaged 
2022-12-14 18:06:38	lolok	you can edit the linux command line in the grub boot menu same as you did with the iso
2022-12-14 18:06:55	gehidore	you'll never need to express dates after 2037 anyways
2022-12-14 18:06:56	lolok	press 'e' on the menu item you want to edit
2022-12-14 18:07:10	powftw	lolok: did that way
2022-12-14 18:07:15	powftw	Yes 
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2022-12-14 18:07:33	teraflops	gehidore: why, world's end?
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2022-12-14 18:08:01	gehidore	if I keep predicting it eventually I'll be right even if it's just my world
2022-12-14 18:08:27	lolok	because we [saying this in the 1970s] will all be dead by then and someone else will have to fix it lol
2022-12-14 18:08:38	teraflops	heh
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2022-12-14 18:11:38	powftw	 pacstrap /mnt base base-devel -> base-devel is good, right? https://archlinux.org/groups/x86_64/base-devel/ why isn't the wiki not suggesting to install at install guide???
2022-12-14 18:11:39	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - base-devel (x86_64) - Group Details (at archlinux.org)
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2022-12-14 18:16:23	Scimmia	powftw: because it's not needed to get the system up and running
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2022-12-14 18:16:33	Scimmia	and not needed for a lot of people
2022-12-14 18:16:39	teraflops	powftw: you can always install it later if you really need it
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2022-12-14 18:18:28	lolok	yea and you can install from in the chroot too eg if you forgot to pacstrap grub
2022-12-14 18:19:29	cyphertite_	powftw:  my 100 MiB /efi contains no kernels or initramfs.  All my kernels and initramfs(es) for each OS I run are stored under a dedicated 250-500 MiB /boot (one per OS)
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2022-12-14 18:20:52	lolok	my kernel and initramfs are also not in my esp but i still have 500mb because its 2022 and im not playing with cd drives anymore
2022-12-14 18:21:16	lolok	well... actually i do... but not often...
2022-12-14 18:21:38	powftw	Can I store my kernel in / ?
2022-12-14 18:22:13	lolok	it would be in /boot usually, just that you arent gonna mount your esp to /boot this time, right?
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2022-12-14 18:24:24	myspaceisflat	Um...im kinda thinking abt Repartitioning my /efi to like 100MB Cuz its never gotten Even w/in 1% of that. What kinds of tinkering would I have to be Doing in order for that directory to Grow?
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2022-12-14 18:25:56	lolok	iirc you intended to do some crypto setup powftw so you need /boot to be on a separate partition from / afaik so youre gonna have at least 3 partitions on this system
2022-12-14 18:26:15	myspaceisflat	h4rd3n3d: Space is Precious on my 32GB SSD lmao
2022-12-14 18:26:47	myspaceisflat	Well rn it is 500MB as was suggested
2022-12-14 18:27:14	txtsd	How do I redirect both stdout and stderr to /dev/null? I just want the return code of a command.
2022-12-14 18:27:31	myspaceisflat	> /dev/null 2>&1
2022-12-14 18:27:47	docdrow	or just &>/dev/null
2022-12-14 18:27:55	lolok	^ in bash only tho
2022-12-14 18:28:04	nl6720	or zsh
2022-12-14 18:28:10	⚡ 	docdrow avoids a classic religious debate ;-)
2022-12-14 18:28:11	lolok	probably idk
2022-12-14 18:28:17	txtsd	Thanks I'll try both
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2022-12-14 18:28:58	myspaceisflat	Is "&>/dev/null" posix compliant Activity?
2022-12-14 18:29:04	lolok	no
2022-12-14 18:29:13	grawity	does it have to Be?
2022-12-14 18:29:59	myspaceisflat	I like keeping POSIX for shell scripts...IDK Why /bin/sh is symlinked to bash by default on Arch systems
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2022-12-14 18:30:12	lolok	oh we are getting meta now pass the blunt
2022-12-14 18:30:27	lolok	when you call bash as sh it behaves in posix mode
2022-12-14 18:30:47	Scimmia	kind of
2022-12-14 18:30:48	docdrow	BASH reigns supreme at both SC22 and Usenix'22 - good enough for me. ;-)
2022-12-14 18:31:01	myspaceisflat	lolok: I guess that makes sense then
2022-12-14 18:31:08	powftw	lolok: why 3? only 2 partitions are needed. One esp and another / where kernels goes to esp which is mounted to /boot 
2022-12-14 18:31:10	myspaceisflat	But i relinked /bin/sh to dash
2022-12-14 18:31:24	powftw	kernel*
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2022-12-14 18:31:45	nl6720	myspaceisflat: installing dash means adding more bloat
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2022-12-14 18:32:43	susi	I wish &>&- were valid, but nah..
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2022-12-14 18:33:09	grawity	they aren't because it's a bad idea to run stuff with stdin/stdout closed
2022-12-14 18:33:20	myspaceisflat	nl6720: that is an Overzealous extent of minimalism since Dash is much faster
2022-12-14 18:33:22	docdrow	h4rd3n3d: with UEFI all ya need is two.. I usually do EFI partion #1 and LUKS on part #2, then LVM on LUKS, lvm's as needed for /, /home, /whatever
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2022-12-14 18:33:47	nl6720	but you don't need dash on a regular Arch system while bash gets pulled in by default
2022-12-14 18:33:59	nl6720	hence, bloat
2022-12-14 18:34:01	lolok	im not familiar with too much detail about luks, but for sure i would keep /boot on / rather than mount it in the esp normally: its a lot safer there and grub has no problem reading ext4 or whatever format you want to make your /
2022-12-14 18:34:12	lolok	powftw ^
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2022-12-14 18:34:27	myspaceisflat	One Does Not Need Speed
2022-12-14 18:34:32	myspaceisflat	Ok....
2022-12-14 18:34:37	Scimmia	docdrow: assuming your bootloader can read the luks partition
2022-12-14 18:34:44	docdrow	lolok: LUKS is just a block level device, you can stack it with other block devices such as LVM however you want. Love it.
2022-12-14 18:34:48	nl6720	lolok: not the best option when using LUKS, unless you enjoy messing with grub's cryptodisk
2022-12-14 18:34:51	Scimmia	which  isn't a safe assumption
2022-12-14 18:34:52	docdrow	Scimmia: bootloader unnecesasry with UEFI
2022-12-14 18:34:56	docdrow	(usually)
2022-12-14 18:35:15	docdrow	h4rd3n3d: I also multi-OS boot... all well supported by UEFI
2022-12-14 18:35:23	Scimmia	docdrow: it is in the configuration h4rd3n3d is talking about
2022-12-14 18:35:29	lolok	he said he has done a grub crypto setup before so im not making the suggestion here
2022-12-14 18:35:52	nl6720	it was simpler when there was just LUKS1
2022-12-14 18:36:00	lolok	i rather prefer to just use intrusion detection for my threat model its a lot easier than encryption
2022-12-14 18:36:12	docdrow	Scimmia: if the goal is to be able to easily select which OS at boot time, and boot that said OS faster than any possible other way... UEFI is the way and only two parts are required.
2022-12-14 18:36:37	Scimmia	docdrow: only 2 are required *in certain situations*
2022-12-14 18:36:41	lolok	you can get my hdd over my smoking corpse out of the crater where my house was
2022-12-14 18:36:43	nl6720	technically no parts are required
2022-12-14 18:37:23	docdrow	Scimmia: of course, there are many use cases and variations but simple EFIBootstub can satisify most of the common ones
2022-12-14 18:38:00	Scimmia	docdrow: not being able to edit the kernel command line at boot makes direct stub loading a no-go for many people, myself included
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2022-12-14 18:39:03	Scimmia	and I wouldn't suggest it to anyone for that very reason, no matter how 'common' their use-case is
2022-12-14 18:39:17	docdrow	Scimmia: I wouldn't say many. Most people don't need more than one or two boot-time command-line configurations, which is very easily handled by any EFI bios
2022-12-14 18:39:43	Scimmia	sure, if you never have to do any troubleshooting
2022-12-14 18:39:44	nl6720	not "any", there are a lot of crappy ones like mine
2022-12-14 18:39:48	docdrow	SUre, if you want a slower boot process and have reason for it.. take a pick of a boot manager.... systemd-boot, grug, syslinux, pxe, whatever... all are much slower than EFIbootstub
2022-12-14 18:40:00	docdrow	Scimmia: no, you simply have another EFI entry for troubleshooting
2022-12-14 18:40:01	lolok	'much'
2022-12-14 18:40:09	Scimmia	docdrow: not possible
2022-12-14 18:40:09	powftw	h4rd3n3d: when you recommend dual boot? If so, why not VM/qemu
2022-12-14 18:40:13	docdrow	initrd=whatever/trouble.img ....  memtest86... etc etc etc
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2022-12-14 18:40:23	Scimmia	there is no EFI entry you can have that allows you to edit it
2022-12-14 18:40:28	docdrow	Scimmia: disagree, I'md iong it right now on an ocean of 1000 HPC computers. Would you like to see my config?
2022-12-14 18:40:42	Scimmia	don't care about your config
2022-12-14 18:40:54	corion	I sort of want to see it.
2022-12-14 18:41:02	corion	:)
2022-12-14 18:41:05	lolok	+1
2022-12-14 18:41:07	docdrow	ok gimme a few
2022-12-14 18:41:54	⚡ 	nl6720 wonders if it's a temporary or permanent UEFI boot entry editing feature
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2022-12-14 18:45:01	lolok	i lost count of how many times using grub has had to save me from searching all my drawers for a bootable usb flash drive: and this is arch so you gotta keep that shit up to date, how much time do you spend flashing that grub would lose in booting if you had a 1 second menu timeout?
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2022-12-14 19:04:53	powftw	I've a question 
2022-12-14 19:04:57	docdrow	corion: https://shearer.tech/example.html
2022-12-14 19:04:58	phrik	Title: ~/simple.sh.html (at shearer.tech)
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2022-12-14 19:06:38	Scimmia	h4rd3n3d: wait, weren't you talking about having separate /boot partitions? So that would all be done in the initramfs, right? Nothing to do with systemd-boot?
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2022-12-14 19:07:27	powftw	From wiki: "/mnt/boot1	/dev/efi_system_partition	EFI system partition	At least 300 MiB" <-- Grub by default installs to /boot/grub. That means, if i mount ESP to /boot, grub is installed to ESP? 
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2022-12-14 19:08:23	susi	I think you usually give --efi-directory to grub-install, which takes ESP - for example /boot
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2022-12-14 19:09:04	docdrow	corion: whoops I left out the LUKS stuff in the kernel commandline in that example -- I fixed it, so hit refresh
2022-12-14 19:09:04	susi	extra modules, config and such are placed into ESP/grub, I think
2022-12-14 19:10:21	powftw	Assume my ESP is mounted in /boot. "grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=esp --bootloader-id=GRUB" where is grub going to go be installed? To my ESP?
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2022-12-14 19:10:46	powftw	This means I need more space in my EFI (>300MB)?
2022-12-14 19:11:08	◣	linsux (~metbsd@user/linsux) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2022-12-14 19:11:18	powftw	Already kernel is there. Now grub is going to be there 
2022-12-14 19:11:39	susi	my /boot/grub takes 16M
2022-12-14 19:11:58	powftw	Say I need to install a grub theme. It will also go into /boot/grub/theme and it'll be also in ESP?
2022-12-14 19:12:17	susi	and grubx86.efi takes 148K
2022-12-14 19:12:25	powftw	susi: where's your initramfs stored?
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2022-12-14 19:12:46	powftw	I mean kernel img 
2022-12-14 19:12:47	susi	on /boot, I have lots of stuff there, and everything takes 203M now
2022-12-14 19:13:02	susi	multiple kernel images, multiple initrd images, grub themes, backups, and such
2022-12-14 19:13:14	◣	binne (~binne@user/binne) ha salido (Quit: binne)
2022-12-14 19:13:27	powftw	And everything is stored inside your EFI?
2022-12-14 19:13:30	Scimmia	powftw: just get rid of the kms hook for now
2022-12-14 19:13:38	lolok	disregarding 'need' and 'theme' being too close, in the command "grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=esp --bootloader-id=GRUB" you are supposed to replace something and doing so would tell you the answer
2022-12-14 19:13:42	Scimmia	then space isn't an issue
2022-12-14 19:13:49	susi	everything is stored on my /boot, which is my ESP
2022-12-14 19:13:54	BoBeR182	powftw: is it just slow boot
2022-12-14 19:13:59	BoBeR182	I just fixed taht with reinstalling
2022-12-14 19:14:03	BoBeR182	no need to give more space
2022-12-14 19:14:09	BoBeR182	reinstalling grub that is
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2022-12-14 19:14:58	powftw	My 100mb is full and can't proceed anymore 
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2022-12-14 19:15:13	powftw	Haven't even installed anything 
2022-12-14 19:15:50	powftw	See the error due to no space left
2022-12-14 19:16:15	powftw	It's under /boot
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2022-12-14 19:16:54	susi	uncompressed my fallback initrd takes 174M, compressed 50M
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2022-12-14 19:18:01	powftw	I'm going to make it 300mb 
2022-12-14 19:18:25	lolok	ya know whats super rare? people tryna make their esp too big. that never happens...
2022-12-14 19:18:37	susi	lolok: it happens
2022-12-14 19:18:44	susi	long time ago I made that mistake, and still suffer from it
2022-12-14 19:18:55	lolok	how big susi?
2022-12-14 19:18:59	powftw	Why do they need more than 500? Even if they have more themes?
2022-12-14 19:19:11	BoBeR182	I did 1GB
2022-12-14 19:19:13	susi	1 G, and it's only taking space away from more immediate needs
2022-12-14 19:19:13	powftw	Grub themes
2022-12-14 19:19:29	powftw	May be i will have 100mb of grub themes 
2022-12-14 19:19:37	BoBeR182	and my /boot has 281mb used
2022-12-14 19:19:52	susi	powftw: grub themes aren't very big, just some images and a text file
2022-12-14 19:19:53	BoBeR182	anyone know why this crash keeps happening https://bpa.st/U3OQ
2022-12-14 19:19:55	phrik	Title: View paste U3OQ (at bpa.st)
2022-12-14 19:21:01	lolok	do you normally mount it [like is it in your fstab] susi? if its not, just resize it, and if so, just put another dir in there and symlink it wherever you would use the space lol
2022-12-14 19:21:08	powftw	Btw, why do I need swap if I have 16gb memory?
2022-12-14 19:21:30	jelle	!whyswap
2022-12-14 19:21:31	phrik	https://chrisdown.name/2018/01/02/in-defence-of-swap.html
2022-12-14 19:22:02	lolok	'need' is a strong word
2022-12-14 19:22:52	susi	you probably should have it anyway; see the previous link ^
2022-12-14 19:23:11	lolok	i have 16gb of ram, and i have [and sometimes use] swap, but youll probably survive without it tho
2022-12-14 19:24:03	powftw	h4rd3n3d: is it required to have /boot/efi when wiki suggest /boot 
2022-12-14 19:24:16	powftw	   /mnt/boot1/dev/efi_system_partition EFI system
2022-12-14 19:24:38	powftw	 /mnt/boot1/ dev/efi_system_partitionEFI system
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2022-12-14 19:25:05	powftw	 /mnt/boot /dev/efi_system_partition EFI system
2022-12-14 19:25:13	susi	if wiki does not suggest /boot/efi, why would it be required to have? though grub-install will create EFI/ 
2022-12-14 19:26:34	powftw	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/a3wczmhV/-598_com.brave.browser.png
2022-12-14 19:26:49	susi	wii discourages /boot/efi as an ESP mountpoint, actually
2022-12-14 19:26:51	susi	wiki*
2022-12-14 19:27:13	powftw	See above 
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2022-12-14 19:27:41	powftw	Yes. It says "other mount points" which clearly says it's not recommended approach?
2022-12-14 19:27:49	powftw	I'm just trying to understand and not arguing btw
2022-12-14 19:28:11	susi	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFI_system_partition
2022-12-14 19:28:12	phrik	Title: EFI system partition - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-14 19:28:30	lolok	oh no dont worry we argue about this all the time, you litterally can do it either way, and we are trying to influence you to do it the way that each of us thinks is best
2022-12-14 19:28:37	lolok	hope you realised that lol
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2022-12-14 19:29:06	susi	see 4.1 Typical mount points, for example. and maybe go through the whole article to understand the issue better
2022-12-14 19:29:37	BoBeR182	like when you need to have an encrypted boot partition
2022-12-14 19:29:46	BoBeR182	/boot/esp is used for more complicated setups
2022-12-14 19:29:58	powftw	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/qL2oPWjZ/Screenshot_2022-12.png
2022-12-14 19:30:05	nl6720	"/boot/esp" is not a thing
2022-12-14 19:30:06	powftw	This answers it
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2022-12-14 19:30:54	lolok	i like using /tmp/efi so it easy to remember that its not gonna stay mounted because its not sane to have efi in fstab imo
2022-12-14 19:31:13	nl6720	let's not argue about sanity
2022-12-14 19:31:57	powftw	lolok: what? Why?
2022-12-14 19:32:00	susi	lolok: I have ESP mount at /boot, so it has to stay @ fstab
2022-12-14 19:32:20	nl6720	susi: not if you're using systemd-boot
2022-12-14 19:32:29	powftw	People are weird. Idk I'm just soft head
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2022-12-14 19:32:42	susi	nl6720: but what about mkinitcpio-hooks then...
2022-12-14 19:32:45	nl6720	susi: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd#GPT_partition_automounting
2022-12-14 19:32:47	phrik	Title: systemd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-12-14 19:32:55	lolok	i said imo, youre use case can be different tho, and thats fine
2022-12-14 19:33:11	lolok	i like the stablitiy that keeping it unmounted grants my system
2022-12-14 19:33:19	powftw	h4rd3n3d: ! Yes
2022-12-14 19:33:31	susi	alpm hooks*
2022-12-14 19:33:35	susi	but yeah, that answers it
2022-12-14 19:33:35	jelle	just don't do encrypted /boot
2022-12-14 19:33:36	◣	heat (~heat@sortix/contributor/heat) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2022-12-14 19:33:36	powftw	But i NEVER mentioned anything about encryption anywhere tho
2022-12-14 19:33:51	powftw	Idk where did that come from
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2022-12-14 19:34:25	susi	nl6720: though I have dos and not gpt, so...
2022-12-14 19:34:33	nl6720	:O
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2022-12-14 19:35:32	lolok	i swear crypto got mentioned somewhere, we have been on this one a while tho, maybe it was someone else who bought it up
2022-12-14 19:36:20	nl6720	lolok: I think you confused powftw with Porkepix
2022-12-14 19:36:22	powftw	Alright guys, thanks for all the answers and help. lolok: susi: nl6720: 
2022-12-14 19:36:50	lolok	probably
2022-12-14 19:36:50	powftw	Scimmia: thanks man
2022-12-14 19:37:04	susi	I make use of systemd's automount-on-access features for my triple-X stuff
2022-12-14 19:39:05	powftw	lolok: https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-in/000123893/manual-nomodeset-kernel-boot-line-option-for-linux-booting
2022-12-14 19:39:06	phrik	Title: Manuelle "nomodeset"-Kernel-Boot-Zeilenoption für Linux-Start | Dell Deutschland (at www.dell.com)
2022-12-14 19:39:18	powftw	Dell suggests to add nomodeset
2022-12-14 19:39:52	jelle	powftw: only if the iso does not boot
2022-12-14 19:40:00	lolok	🤦
2022-12-14 19:40:32	powftw	jelle: I've some graphics related issues 
2022-12-14 19:40:46	powftw	Which is temporary resolved via this
2022-12-14 19:41:09	lolok	oh god post the video again lmfao
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2022-12-14 19:42:12	lolok	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/TuhvtuLA/VID.mp4
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2022-12-14 19:42:15	powftw	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/TuhvtuLA/VID.mp4
2022-12-14 19:42:27	lolok	gg
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2022-12-14 19:43:20	⚡ 	nl6720 votes for "the laptop is haunted"
2022-12-14 19:43:31	jelle	powftw: what's in dmesg?
2022-12-14 19:43:35	lolok	this is almost as good as my vaapi issues earlier today
2022-12-14 19:43:38	powftw	Needless to say that it'll damage the display 
2022-12-14 19:44:01	lolok	its hard to tell from the installer jelle he cant extract any logs after the corruption
2022-12-14 19:44:50	jelle	lolok: it is also hard to answer
2022-12-14 19:44:58	powftw	jelle: I'm in the middle of other problems.once redo partition stuff, i Will post here after installing 
2022-12-14 19:44:59	lolok	so installing with nomodeset on and hhoping to either get logs after or better yet that its not even an issue on the installed system which i also have faith for
2022-12-14 19:45:08	jelle	powftw: is this a different laptop?
2022-12-14 19:45:14	nl6720	hmm, it should be possible with cow_device, but IIRC, in the iso journal doesn't get written to /var
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2022-12-14 19:45:36	powftw	jelle: it's Dell latitude 7490. 
2022-12-14 19:45:56	◣	laocid (~laocid@gateway/tor-sasl/laocid) ha salido (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
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2022-12-14 19:49:01	powftw	jelle: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mjEnFsOh/Screenshot_-12-724_coy.png
2022-12-14 19:49:18	jelle	bugs!
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2022-12-14 19:50:30	nl6720	powftw: did you try https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Intel_graphics#Screen_flickering
2022-12-14 19:50:31	phrik	Title: Intel graphics - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-14 19:51:01	powftw	This is after installing xorg?
2022-12-14 19:51:17	nl6720	nope, it's a kernel param
2022-12-14 19:51:18	powftw	I mean do I have to worry without a display server? This is tty
2022-12-14 19:51:23	powftw	Oh
2022-12-14 19:51:54	nl6720	after install, it can instead be added to /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf
2022-12-14 19:51:57	powftw	Why does it only happen on mount I wonder now
2022-12-14 19:52:02	powftw	I'll try it. Thanks 
2022-12-14 19:52:17	lolok	it can also set the same place you did nomodeset
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2022-12-14 19:52:29	lolok	and yea i been wondering that since the start lmao
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2022-12-14 19:56:35	powftw	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9yLwb9V4/jjurgiruii.png
2022-12-14 19:56:47	powftw	1st point explains it
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2022-12-14 19:57:52	nl6720	not sure what it explains. nomodeset is a temporary workaround when the GPU driver doesn't work
2022-12-14 19:58:13	powftw	Okay. All clear to me
2022-12-14 19:58:22	nl6720	well, does it work now?
2022-12-14 19:58:32	powftw	No. I'm done for the day. 
2022-12-14 19:58:32	docdrow	Intel driver team finally fixed DRI3 on Sandy Bridge too.... they've been knockin stuff out 
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2022-12-14 20:03:19	corion	Just ordered myself a little https://store.minisforum.com/products/um350?variant=42279017709813
2022-12-14 20:03:20	phrik	Title: Minisforum Deskmini UM350 AMD Ryzen 5 3550H Mini PC (at store.minisforum.com)
2022-12-14 20:03:25	lolok	actually powftw its the other way around: i suspected there was an error in this driver, so i instructed you to use nomodeset intentionally to disable to and allow the system to function at all
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2022-12-14 20:03:43	lolok	s/to/it/3
2022-12-14 20:03:44	corion	Super cheap. 299 for the 16GB/512GB ssd version.
2022-12-14 20:04:05	corion	It'll be my next "create the perfect desktop computer" arch project.
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2022-12-14 20:04:17	corion	A futile project, no doubt, but one that will keep me occupied for a while.
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2022-12-14 20:05:32	lolok	the real solution maybe https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Intel_graphics#Screen_flickering after all tbh
2022-12-14 20:05:34	phrik	Title: Intel graphics - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-12-14 20:08:32	lairnc	do I need to set something in particular to make udev rules work?
2022-12-14 20:08:53	lairnc	I have one that appareantly is not being triggered
2022-12-14 20:09:00	docdrow	I don't work on udev rules unless I have a bottle of tylenol on hand
2022-12-14 20:09:20	lolok	not that i knew you were on intel graphics when i made that suggestion, or that i would have known about this particular kernel parameter, but rather the whole point of nomodeset is do disable most of the graphics stuff all at once when its causing problems
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2022-12-14 20:09:38	lairnc	https://dpaste.org/JGgpG
2022-12-14 20:09:42	phrik	Title: dpaste/JGgpG (Python) (at dpaste.org)
2022-12-14 20:09:42	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/onVc.txt
2022-12-14 20:10:05	lolok	s/do/to
2022-12-14 20:10:05	lairnc	lolok, why?
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2022-12-14 20:10:36	lolok	sorry lairnc that was a reply to someone before you joined
2022-12-14 20:10:54	lairnc	ah
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2022-12-14 20:11:49	lairnc	any idea why my udev rule wouldnt work?
2022-12-14 20:12:26	lolok	maybe if you pastebin it
2022-12-14 20:12:37	lairnc	i did ^
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2022-12-14 20:12:52	lolok	oh lol i was typing too hard
2022-12-14 20:13:20	Heaven_1	I keep getting disconeted from the irc ?! o.O
2022-12-14 20:13:27	Heaven_1	Disconnected *
2022-12-14 20:13:44	Namarrgon	for what reason? maybe try a proper irc client
2022-12-14 20:14:12	Heaven_1	Ill try that! Which one do you suggest me with a good UI ? :)
2022-12-14 20:14:26	susi	irssi
2022-12-14 20:14:26	lairnc	hexchat
2022-12-14 20:14:29	Namarrgon	that depends on your definition of "good" and "ui"
2022-12-14 20:14:45	⚡ 	Warepire really likes irssi, in my opinion it has a text based ui that is very clean
2022-12-14 20:14:45	Heaven_1	Haha i see, im new to linux env, i'll look at both suggestions
2022-12-14 20:15:03	◣	Heaven_ (~Heaven_@2607:fa49:7f43:6900::8019) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-12-14 20:15:06	lolok	hexchat is fine if youre cool with the gtk2 dep
2022-12-14 20:15:08	grym	irssi's nice 
2022-12-14 20:15:17	grym	what also is nice is a VPS 
2022-12-14 20:15:17	Heaven_1	I'm used to ... discord ?...
2022-12-14 20:15:23	◣	MajorBiscuit (~MajorBisc@2001:1c00:2404:ed00:28e1:ad14:ec67:539e) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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2022-12-14 20:15:34	grym	Heaven_1: well, you're about to learn where discord took all its basic ideas from 
2022-12-14 20:15:35	lolok	verboten!
2022-12-14 20:15:38	coruja	Heaven_1: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications#IRC_clients
2022-12-14 20:15:39	◥	brandon (~brandon@user/yenaras) has joined #archlinux
2022-12-14 20:15:39	phrik	Title: List of applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-14 20:15:41	grym	but if you like guis, i guess hexchat? 
2022-12-14 20:15:49	Heaven_1	Ill take a look! :)
2022-12-14 20:15:51	grym	idk, gui irc looks weird
2022-12-14 20:16:02	◣	brandon (~brandon@user/yenaras) ha salido (Client Quit)
2022-12-14 20:16:11	Heaven_1	I'm born with GUI, not terminal :p
2022-12-14 20:16:18	grym	por que no los dos
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2022-12-14 20:17:19	Warepire	I started using computers with Windows 98, and never touched a terminal until University.
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2022-12-14 20:17:43	lairnc	any idea why my udev rules arent triggering????
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2022-12-14 20:18:35	ℹ 	Tea_ es conocido ahora como Tea
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2022-12-14 20:19:15	susi	no idea
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2022-12-14 20:19:42	lolok	are we sure the range of capacity is 0-100 and not something silly like 0-65535?
2022-12-14 20:19:48	heaven	Ok i think this is working better :)
2022-12-14 20:19:57	lolok	idk, idk udev tbh, just spitballing here
2022-12-14 20:20:26	Warepire	lairnc: Have you looked at udevadm test?
2022-12-14 20:20:44	susi	lairnc: are you sure your battery is emitting those events?
2022-12-14 20:20:53	◣	Heaven_1 (~Heaven_@2607:fa49:7f43:6900::8019) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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2022-12-14 20:21:06	susi	my firmware isn't, so I can't make an udev rule to react to the live capacity
2022-12-14 20:21:27	◣	limefox (~limefox@2001:41d0:305:2100::4547) ha salido (Quit: see you later)
2022-12-14 20:21:38	susi	that's why I have a systemd units and timers executing scripts doing the thing
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2022-12-14 20:22:36	heaven	
2022-12-14 20:22:44	heaven	
2022-12-14 20:22:49	lolok	!give heaven welcome
2022-12-14 20:22:50	phrik	heaven: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
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2022-12-14 20:23:12	lairnc	susi, I have seen my battery has a non-zero timer, which, according to the arch wiki, after the battery passing the timer's threshold, it should emit the event
2022-12-14 20:23:16	heaven	phrik: lol, trying to figure out how to apply dark theme 
2022-12-14 20:23:16	phrik	heaven: Say what?
2022-12-14 20:23:42	Warepire	heaven: phrik is a bot.
2022-12-14 20:23:49	lolok	!bot
2022-12-14 20:23:50	phrik	I'm a bot! ~does the binary solo~ 00001 000011 0000111
2022-12-14 20:24:10	heaven	Oh!
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2022-12-14 20:24:14	hedvika	I'm not a bot! error: not valid ASCII
2022-12-14 20:24:16	lairnc	susi, the thing is if only one event is sent or more than one are after being discharged (I guess latter?)
2022-12-14 20:25:25	susi	lairnc: check with udevadm that those capacity change events are actually happening
2022-12-14 20:25:52	susi	what is a non-zero timer for a battery, how do you check it?
2022-12-14 20:26:05	ℹ 	heat_ es conocido ahora como heat
2022-12-14 20:26:05	lairnc	i would have to wait till the battery is below alarm's threshhold i guess
2022-12-14 20:26:39	lolok	probably can make it 50% would be a bit easier just to test
2022-12-14 20:27:22	lairnc	susi, at quoting the wiki:
2022-12-14 20:27:25	lairnc	"If no events are reported and /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/alarm is non-zero then the battery will likely trigger an event when BAT0/energy_now drops below the alarm value, and the udev rule will work as long as the percentage math works out. Some laptops have an option for this disabled in BIOS by default."
2022-12-14 20:27:59	lolok	in linux theres 2 main toolkits you need to worry about theming heaven https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Uniform_look_for_Qt_and_GTK_applications
2022-12-14 20:28:00	phrik	Title: Uniform look for Qt and GTK applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-14 20:28:42	susi	let's see what happens, my battery is very soon going below alarm level, and I'm monitoring it
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2022-12-14 20:28:56	lairnc	great
2022-12-14 20:29:21	hedvika	also Adwaita for QT look really weird sometimes when on Wayland
2022-12-14 20:29:35	susi	for me that alarm value is too high for triggering a suspend anyway
2022-12-14 20:31:00	susi	got this: https://0x0.st/onVQ.txt
2022-12-14 20:33:18	ℹ 	Phr33d0m_ es conocido ahora como Phr33d0m
2022-12-14 20:34:36	susi	I rather get a notification for low battery, and not suspend when there's still 13% (out of energy_full, not energy_full_design)
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2022-12-14 20:35:12	lolok	3214000 yea thats the kinda number i expected to see lol working in percentages would be too easy
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2022-12-15 13:43:52	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1469 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1468 normals)
2022-12-15 01:59:49	folial	... almost
2022-12-15 02:00:14	Namarrgon	then you need to install and configure a gtk2 theme
2022-12-15 02:00:55	folial	ok, I'll try... thank you
2022-12-15 02:01:32	folial	archdemon, I'm still trying to figure out how to share a screenshot
2022-12-15 02:01:34	folial	sorryù
2022-12-15 02:01:47	archdemon	can always upload to imgur 
2022-12-15 02:01:56	archdemon	and paste the link
2022-12-15 02:05:39	folial	here it is: https://0x0.st/on4G.png
2022-12-15 02:06:23	archdemon	looks like what they said
2022-12-15 02:06:28	Namarrgon	maybe install a proper vector font, while you're at it...
2022-12-15 02:06:30	archdemon	need a gtk2 theme
2022-12-15 02:06:35	archdemon	and that
2022-12-15 02:06:43	archdemon	Namarrgon is all knowing
2022-12-15 02:07:10	folial	Namarrgon, proper vector font: any suggestion?
2022-12-15 02:07:29	folial	ok I'll go for a GTK theme... thank you
2022-12-15 02:08:04	Namarrgon	this week i'm fond of fantasque sans (mono), next week we'll see
2022-12-15 02:08:26	Namarrgon	archdemon: i had to break a lot of systems to get there
2022-12-15 02:08:41	archdemon	Namarrgon: sounds fun
2022-12-15 02:09:00	Namarrgon	and i'm not done yet!
2022-12-15 02:09:04	archdemon	Namarrgon: what font do you use in your terminal emulator
2022-12-15 02:09:15	archdemon	Namarrgon: hah none of us are
2022-12-15 02:10:24	folial	fantasque sans: thank you!
2022-12-15 02:10:39	folial	see you later... config time
2022-12-15 02:23:08	folial	hello guys, I'm back
2022-12-15 02:23:20	archdemon	welcome back
2022-12-15 02:23:23	archdemon	how did it go
2022-12-15 02:23:24	folial	new fonts installed... seems quite good
2022-12-15 02:23:36	folial	but themes... they just change colors
2022-12-15 02:25:35	folial	in Manjaro this application looks quite different, but the version is the same
2022-12-15 02:27:23	Namarrgon	have you looked at the gtk page on the wiki?
2022-12-15 02:28:16	thrice	you might have installed a theme by hand, but missing the engine
2022-12-15 02:28:27	Namarrgon	most pages have a troubleshooting section somewhere at the bottom
2022-12-15 02:35:14	folial	ok, I'll try deeper... thank you for the hints at the moment
2022-12-15 02:35:21	folial	see you soon, good night
2022-12-15 02:51:15	myspaceisflat	I m using Operator Mono rn , I definitely did not clone a github for it instead of Paying approx $200. The italic version is Gorg but Normal is a lil straightlaced 4 my taste.
2022-12-15 02:51:57	myspaceisflat	Namarrgon: I will try Fantasque out. TY for mentioning .
2022-12-15 04:49:16	reimorster	fc-cache -fvr is not caching hack nerdfont (ive just copied the ttf files to ~/.local/share/fonts),  is the conf file mandatory? The official hack font files worked just fine..
2022-12-15 05:45:35	hungryman	good evening everyone
2022-12-15 06:16:40	powftw	guys, my 16gb usb went to 800mb after dd writing iso. whenever i plug/unplug usb, dmesg shows its 16gb
2022-12-15 06:16:55	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/601VZmVf/
2022-12-15 06:16:57	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-12-15 06:17:38	lolok	16gb is the size of the drive but 800mb is the size of the filesystem on it
2022-12-15 06:17:57	powftw	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/VNmEMYCi/image.png
2022-12-15 06:18:14	powftw	lolok: you here!!!!
2022-12-15 06:18:25	lolok	sometimes
2022-12-15 06:18:25	randomxusr	Could you recommend an arcticle/wiki page for setting up a local mail for the purpose of reading alerts?  I have s-nail installed and don't require sending over the network/web
2022-12-15 06:19:03	powftw	lolok:  i was writing gparted iso to usb. the write isnt success and usb is like this
2022-12-15 06:19:50	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/N4GL7RTY/
2022-12-15 06:19:51	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-12-15 06:21:37	powftw	lolok:  "16gb is the size of the drive but 800mb is the size of the filesystem on it" << okay, can i get hold of that full size?
2022-12-15 06:23:24	Hawson	'evening all
2022-12-15 06:27:01	lolok	in what sense "isnt success" is the write? it doesnt boot? probably you can play with the partition table after dd powftw but that may cause problems and probably ventoy is what you actually want anyway
2022-12-15 06:27:56	lolok	https://www.ventoy.net/en/doc_start.html
2022-12-15 06:28:00	phrik	Title: Get start . Ventoy (at www.ventoy.net)
2022-12-15 06:28:40	powftw	lolok: before all that. if i want my usb back to default state, what is the one thing i should do is what im thinking
2022-12-15 06:30:11	lolok	define 'default' tho... you mean like how it would be if you stuck it in a windows machine and clicked 'format' on the popup? just make a new partition table and a single empty partition with your favorite filesystem
2022-12-15 06:31:51	Hawson	sounds like boot issues are the order of the day. :-(   a bad grub update (and more probably bad initial configuration) has managed to render my system unbootable.  Any clever tricks for recoving an EFI+GRUB+LUKS install?  I *THINK* I can get most of the UUIDs and such from out of a rescue boot....
2022-12-15 06:32:58	lolok	do you get a grub prompt or a grub rescue prompt or a 'no os found' message?
2022-12-15 06:34:17	powftw	lolok: lol!!
2022-12-15 06:34:26	powftw	ventoy magically fixed it
2022-12-15 06:34:36	lolok	xD
2022-12-15 06:34:42	powftw	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Sqj0TidU/image.png
2022-12-15 06:34:44	powftw	thanks man!!!!
2022-12-15 06:34:46	lolok	np
2022-12-15 06:38:26	tirnanog	randomxusr: I don't know about articles but, in the case of postfix, "home_mailbox = Mailbox" and "default_transport = error:non-local delivery is forbidden" should get you most of the way there.
2022-12-15 06:41:42	randomxusr	tirnanog, Thanks. I thought I could do this with s-snail but am lacking some knowledge about what's involved
2022-12-15 06:44:06	tirnanog	randomxusr: you almost certainly need a working sendmail(1) binary. potentially, a functionioning smtp server on port 25 too. either/both needs to be tied to a functioning local delivery agent.
2022-12-15 06:44:31	tirnanog	randomxusr: s-nail gives you none of those things. it should, however, give you a working mailx that lets you read mbox storage in your home directory.
2022-12-15 06:45:07	randomxusr	aha.
2022-12-15 06:45:25	tirnanog	postfix is an example of something that can provide the rest.
2022-12-15 06:45:55	randomxusr	so sendmail and postfix are necessary? and s-nail is optional for reading?
2022-12-15 06:46:48	tirnanog	postfix provides a sendmail(1) utility.
2022-12-15 06:47:21	tirnanog	it's fairly common for applications to want to execute sendmail(1) to enqueue/deliver mail but SMTP is another potential option, of course.
2022-12-15 06:47:38	tirnanog	and yes, you would just be using s-nail as a reader in this scenario.
2022-12-15 06:48:33	lolok	nullmailer might fit this use case better but i dont use either so idk
2022-12-15 06:48:50	randomxusr	10-4
2022-12-15 06:49:05	tirnanog	a nullmailer is pretty much the exact opposite of what is needed.
2022-12-15 06:49:16	Hawson	I've an odd/bad install/recovery question.  Have a laptop, BIOS uses EFI to boot.  System does *not* boot, because I managed to FUBAR grub.  I have 3 relevant partitions:  nvme0n1p1:  /efi  p3: /boot  p5: LUKS, which stores the root filesystem.   I have access to everything from the liveCD, and can mount the LUKS container (data is all good).  Suggestions on how to best get the system back to
2022-12-15 06:49:16	Hawson	booting 
2022-12-15 06:49:19	tirnanog	be it nullmailer, postfix with a null-mailer configuration or anything else.
2022-12-15 06:49:22	Hawson	properly?  
2022-12-15 06:49:47	tirnanog	local storage, along with no relying, was a stated requirement.
2022-12-15 06:50:17	randomxusr	Is it commond today for *nix users to still use a mailx incarnation and get messages?
2022-12-15 06:50:26	tirnanog	so you really want a proper MTA that implements the necessary components.
2022-12-15 06:50:48	tirnanog	it's not common for casual linux users, no. the BSDs keep the tradition alive.
2022-12-15 06:51:00	Hawson	mutt FTW
2022-12-15 06:51:34	randomxusr	tirnanog, got it. thank you. very helpful.  I'm kind of partial to the MoTD thing too. but not necessary
2022-12-15 06:52:24	lolok	mount the system, chroot to it, and reinstall grub
2022-12-15 06:52:51	Hawson	lolok: I don't actually care if grub is used, and honestly, I'm not sure "where" it was installed previously.
2022-12-15 06:53:07	Hawson	but I'm okay with doing that (reinstalling grub)
2022-12-15 06:53:11	lolok	probably you can boot it without doing this if you can get a grub or grub rescue prompt Hawson but if youre already in the live system with it mounted its just the same to do this
2022-12-15 06:53:25	lolok	well you can install a different bootloader at this point too i guess
2022-12-15 06:54:20	powftw	lolok: that ventoy is not working for me. after install success, if i open my file manager, i donot see https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ASlRQtzg/image.png
2022-12-15 06:54:54	Hawson	I've tried a few `dd if=/dev/<device> | hexdump -C` tricks to figure out where it...was?  but can't figure out where grub was installed.
2022-12-15 06:55:09	Hawson	maybe work the other direction?  efibootmgr?
2022-12-15 06:56:02	powftw	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/kUamSPZW/image.png
2022-12-15 06:56:17	lolok	did you read the docs powftw? after you install ventoy, you put the iso files on the partition it creates in the drive, then you boot from the usb, and ventoy gives you a menu of which iso you want to boot. i made the suggestion because you can technically put anything there, and i believe you intended to put more than 1 iso there and this solves that problem quite well
2022-12-15 06:56:20	powftw	idk where my rest of the usb size is going
2022-12-15 06:56:39	Hawson	Let's see...   The EFI boot entry has this:   Boot0003* grub  HD(1,GPT,abca1d47-4d0f-4cc8-b4fd-35f0a7634614,0x800,0x100000)/File(\EFI\grub\grubx64.efi)
2022-12-15 06:57:08	powftw	i install ventoy like this; https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ASlRQtzg/image.png , then copy iso files into the ventoy drive
2022-12-15 06:57:50	powftw	but the usb size is not there. i mean, out of 16gb only 800mb is there
2022-12-15 06:57:51	Hawson	And that grubx86.efi file can be found in partition 1:  /mnt/1/EFI/GRUB/grubx64.efi
2022-12-15 06:58:58	Hawson	or....could I just skip GRUB?  that's work just fine.
2022-12-15 06:59:34	powftw	lolok: idk how to explain, the size ventoy created is just mbs. idk where the rest of the usb size is, so i cannot put any iso in that small space
2022-12-15 06:59:39	lolok	you can lsblk powftw that should give you some idea
2022-12-15 06:59:49	lolok	there should be another partiton now
2022-12-15 07:00:14	powftw	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/wYwj3Qka/image.png
2022-12-15 07:00:15	lolok	who installed grub on this system originally Hawson?
2022-12-15 07:00:59	Hawson	Some idiot name "Hawson" about 18 months ago
2022-12-15 07:01:40	Hawson	It's rebooted a few times since then, so I'm not quite sure what the "cause" is, but I'm not super worried about that right now.
2022-12-15 07:02:05	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/14wNW3MO/
2022-12-15 07:02:06	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2022-12-15 07:02:17	Hawson	I'm looking at this, and thinking that I maybe I could use EFI to boot straight to a kernel or systemd?
2022-12-15 07:02:24	powftw	lolok: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/wYwj3Qka/image.png
2022-12-15 07:02:24	lolok	https://www.ventoy.net/en/doc_disk_layout.html
2022-12-15 07:02:29	phrik	Title: disk_layout . Ventoy (at www.ventoy.net)
2022-12-15 07:02:29	powftw	did you see that?
2022-12-15 07:03:08	topcat001	that does not look like the ventoy setup; rather the archiso partions
2022-12-15 07:03:49	powftw	but i wiped everything via gpatred and started over again from fresh 14gb
2022-12-15 07:03:52	lolok	its configurable in a menu; was this not an empty drive when you started? sometimes the kernel partition table can get wonky if you play too much with it maybe just reboot lol
2022-12-15 07:04:25	topcat001	use the Ventoy2Disk.sh script with -i
2022-12-15 07:05:27	topcat001	(be careful with the device name)
2022-12-15 07:06:27	lolok	once you chroot into the mounted system its like youre back to the last stage of the install process Hawson so you can reinstall grub however you want to whatever other bootloader you want at this point there is no right answer its a question of what you want to do
2022-12-15 07:06:51	lolok	s/to/or/2
2022-12-15 07:06:52	Hawson	high level is easy:  get a bootable system.   
2022-12-15 07:06:58	Hawson	it's the details that are hard. :)
2022-12-15 07:07:15	Hawson	I think I have all the parts, I just need to connect them.
2022-12-15 07:08:05	powftw	lolok: omg! Reboot fixed everything 
2022-12-15 07:08:05	lolok	grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=part1
2022-12-15 07:08:15	lolok	grub-mkconfig -o part2
2022-12-15 07:08:38	lolok	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB for details
2022-12-15 07:08:39	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-15 07:09:08	Hawson	Hmm.. I was going to suggest just skipping grub (possibly), and gonig stright to the kernel.  I'll need to deal with LUKS still, but taht worked before.
2022-12-15 07:09:16	Hawson	but let me try grub
2022-12-15 07:09:54	Hawson	to clarify:  I have separate /efi and /boot partitions (p1 and p3, respectively).  Do those match your "part1" and "part2" above?
2022-12-15 07:10:14	lolok	yea powftw theres some way to force the kernel to update these things, but i forget and its kinda hacky anyway, reboot is best
2022-12-15 07:10:27	powftw	But why does this happen?
2022-12-15 07:11:46	lolok	because changing the contents of whats written to the drive doesnt always change linux view of what the drive contains, by rebooting you force it to read again, since it will lose this in memory
2022-12-15 07:11:48	tirnanog	writing directly to a block device without bothering to issue the BLKRRPART ioctl once done.
2022-12-15 07:12:02	tirnanog	blockdev --rereadpt can attempt the latter.
2022-12-15 07:12:07	lolok	that was it
2022-12-15 07:12:40	lolok	but 'attempt' doesnt always work
2022-12-15 07:12:49	lolok	reboot is the most clean
2022-12-15 07:13:52	lolok	your efi is part1 Hawson and /boot is part2
2022-12-15 07:14:01	lolok	check the wiki for details
2022-12-15 07:14:02	tirnanog	it tends to be reliable, as long as the block device isn't being used in any way. no mounted filesystems, active LVM physical volumes or whatever.
2022-12-15 07:14:06	Hawson	Thanks.  Just wanted to confirm.
2022-12-15 07:14:16	⚡ 	Hawson is being slightly paranoid ATM
2022-12-15 07:14:48	Hawson	(I'm also agitated and tired, so a 2nd set of eyes helps)
2022-12-15 07:16:23	lolok	interesting observation tirnanog i never took notice if i was working in the same drive i was changing while doing that
2022-12-15 07:17:04	Hawson	those grub commands added a new EFI entry that exactly matches an existing one, except for the name and Boot000X number
2022-12-15 07:17:19	tirnanog	either way, blockdev will tell you if the device is busy so it never hurts to try.
2022-12-15 07:17:46	lolok	probably you can delete the old ones Hawson especially if this isnt a multiboot system
2022-12-15 07:17:58	Hawson	single-OS:  just linux
2022-12-15 07:18:09	Hawson	Boot0003* grub  HD(1,GPT,abca1d47-4d0f-4cc8-b4fd-35f0a7634614,0x800,0x100000)/File(\EFI\grub\grubx64.efi)
2022-12-15 07:18:12	Hawson	Boot0004* arch  HD(1,GPT,abca1d47-4d0f-4cc8-b4fd-35f0a7634614,0x800,0x100000)/File(\EFI\arch\grubx64.efi)
2022-12-15 07:18:29	Hawson	The 'grub' entry was already present.  The 'arch' entry is new.
2022-12-15 07:19:24	Hawson	Hmm....  I wonder if I've mounted /efi and/ /boto incorrectly
2022-12-15 07:22:36	lolok	pastebin the contents of /etc/fstab on the mounted system and /proc/mounts on the live system
2022-12-15 07:22:41	lolok	!ix
2022-12-15 07:22:42	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-12-15 07:24:03	lolok	!bail actually i gotta go for a ride bbl
2022-12-15 07:24:03	phrik	lolok: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
2022-12-15 07:24:31	Hawson	Thanks for the help lolok
2022-12-15 07:24:51	Hawson	curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-12-15 07:25:14	Hawson	http://ix.io/4iEh
2022-12-15 07:25:18	Hawson	FWIW...
2022-12-15 07:58:28	powftw	lolok: are you there?
2022-12-15 08:05:08	sharperguy	Any tips for figuring out why my computer shuts off at times? I assume it's an overheating issue, but I'm not sure exactly _what_ is overheating. Is there a log somewhere for this?
2022-12-15 08:05:56	mpan	sharperguy: does it shut down cleanly or is it just poweroff? If the former, the journal may contain related messages.
2022-12-15 08:06:37	sharperguy	i get a wall message about how the system is going to power off, so i guess it's the former
2022-12-15 08:07:27	mpan	Then see the journal from the previous boot, towards the end. It may contain some hints.
2022-12-15 08:10:09	sharperguy	so something like 'sudo journalctl | tail -n1000"?
2022-12-15 08:11:18	mpan	sudo journalctl -b -1 -e
2022-12-15 08:14:32	sharperguy	for some reason that's giving me logs from back when i first installed the machine
2022-12-15 08:15:22	mpan	Are you sure you did `-b -1` and not `-b 1`
2022-12-15 08:15:25	sheep	or just do journalctl and scroll with page up/page down or search with /
2022-12-15 08:15:57	ednash	press G to go to the end
2022-12-15 08:16:09	ednash	must be capital
2022-12-15 08:16:41	mpan	What you say resembles asking for the first bootlog, not the previous boot log. :)
2022-12-15 08:22:46	sharperguy	yeah i missed the - 
2022-12-15 08:23:51	sharperguy	yeah ok "amdgpu: ERROR: GPU over temperature range(SW CTF) detected!"
2022-12-15 08:24:23	mpan	So the culprit is identified. SMASH IT WITH A HAMMER! ;)
2022-12-15 09:14:49	BoBeR182	anyone know why this crash keeps happening https://bpa.st/U3OQ
2022-12-15 09:14:51	phrik	Title: View paste U3OQ (at bpa.st)
2022-12-15 11:45:46	Ingar	trying to get vnc to work, segfaults so hard it aint funny
2022-12-15 11:46:22	Ingar	more to the point, following the tigervnc wiki article
2022-12-15 11:47:21	Ingar	the vnc module segaults, x0vncserver doesn't start (trying to figure out why, I assume the same segfault)
2022-12-15 11:56:55	Ingar	do I actually need to run the tigervnc service (2) to expose the local display (3) ?
2022-12-15 12:02:00	Ingar	the article is rather confusing on what is root/system-wide and what is user specific
2022-12-15 12:07:29	matkor	Hi! Will archlinux work and run on 1.8GB SSD ?   btrfs compressed?   Or I should go for archbang.org or  Tiny Core Linux ?
2022-12-15 12:08:30	plasma	should suffice
2022-12-15 12:08:31	stefanc_diff	Ingar you can expose local desktops using nomachine (this one works for me currently)
2022-12-15 12:09:07	stefanc_diff	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NoMachine
2022-12-15 12:09:08	phrik	Title: NoMachine - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-15 12:11:26	mpan	matkor: absolutely basic system is a few hundred MB (see Arch ISO). But if you need something more or do updates, 1.8GB may not be enough.
2022-12-15 12:12:06	mpan	matkor: you will also have to rotate logs frequently.
2022-12-15 12:12:32	Namarrgon	Ingar: did you disabled overcommit, too?
2022-12-15 12:12:35	Namarrgon	*disable
2022-12-15 12:14:30	matkor	mpan: And btrfs compressed / is good idea?
2022-12-15 12:14:52	mpan	No opinion from my side.
2022-12-15 12:15:11	matkor	OK. Thank you very much
2022-12-15 12:15:21	Namarrgon	it's fine but it will not magically turn 1.8gb it to something that you don't have to worry about
2022-12-15 12:15:40	mpan	But compression will not save your from e.g. pacman cache growing big. As that is already very compressed data.
2022-12-15 12:17:51	Namarrgon	Ingar: sorry, that was for BoBeR182 
2022-12-15 12:18:23	BoBeR182	overcommit?
2022-12-15 12:18:46	BoBeR182	I updated and patched motherboard to latest
2022-12-15 12:19:14	Namarrgon	vm.overcommit_memory
2022-12-15 12:19:56	BoBeR182	I don't recall ever touching that setting
2022-12-15 12:20:00	BoBeR182	is it a sysctl one?
2022-12-15 12:20:03	Namarrgon	what is it set to? yes
2022-12-15 12:20:45	BoBeR182	vm.nr_overcommit_hugepages = 0
2022-12-15 12:20:45	BoBeR182	vm.overcommit_kbytes = 0
2022-12-15 12:20:45	BoBeR182	vm.overcommit_memory = 0
2022-12-15 12:20:45	BoBeR182	vm.overcommit_ratio = 50
2022-12-15 12:35:48	eoli3n	Hi
2022-12-15 12:36:02	eoli3n	i'm trying to share screen with sway and zoom installed as flatpak
2022-12-15 12:36:16	eoli3n	when I start a screen share, i get https://0x0.st/onv7.png
2022-12-15 12:36:37	eoli3n	no way to workaround this ?
2022-12-15 12:37:13	Namarrgon	have you checked the zoom page on the wiki?
2022-12-15 12:46:54	BoBeR182	Namarrgon: any other hints or advice for my crashes?
2022-12-15 12:47:35	Namarrgon	can you reproduce it with the lts kenrel?
2022-12-15 12:48:51	BoBeR182	Haven't tried yet, if it crashes again I will install LTS and reboot into it
2022-12-15 12:49:15	BoBeR182	so far I have been avoiding using my dockerized sabnzbd for long periods of time
2022-12-15 12:49:28	BoBeR182	I think it's related to heavy network + disk io use
2022-12-15 12:49:32	Namarrgon	did you run memtest?
2022-12-15 12:49:48	BoBeR182	I can memtest for about 5 mins not several hours
2022-12-15 12:49:57	Namarrgon	why?
2022-12-15 12:50:05	BoBeR182	I can do that tonight when I don't need my PC for work
2022-12-15 12:50:36	BoBeR182	if memtest errors out that means faulty stick right?
2022-12-15 12:50:52	Namarrgon	or faulty memory controller, or faulty mainboard or
2022-12-15 12:51:09	BoBeR182	oh eww
2022-12-15 12:51:27	BoBeR182	but hardware issue, lame
2022-12-15 13:01:04	YamatoHD	or oxidized RAM contacts if it's ddr3
2022-12-15 13:01:29	YamatoHD	you would not believe how often this is the case with RAM
2022-12-15 13:07:08	dirtcastle	guys. do I need drivers for wired mouse to work? it's a gaming mouse and has 3+2 buttons. 
2022-12-15 13:10:29	Namarrgon	how does it not work?
2022-12-15 13:15:34	ti	dirtcastle: No, you don't usually have to install anything for it to work. You should only need extra software (e.g. Piper) for configuring extra functionality like LEDs or macros.
2022-12-15 13:21:03	dirtcastle	the left and right mouse buttons don't work
2022-12-15 13:22:26	dirtcastle	lsusb detects it as usb optical mouse
2022-12-15 13:22:52	Namarrgon	you can move the cursor, though?
2022-12-15 13:24:07	dirtcastle	nope
2022-12-15 13:24:10	Namarrgon	uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2022-12-15 13:24:34	dirtcastle	oh. wait. idk how. but my mouse started working out of nowhere 
2022-12-15 13:25:25	dirtcastle	thanks for your time.I didn't shut down my laptop yesterday. now I inserted the mouse. it didn't work. I rebooted it. I think that's why it works. 
2022-12-15 13:26:05	coruja	!next
2022-12-15 13:26:07	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-12-15 13:33:14	YamatoHD	5.10.16.3-microsoft-standard-WSL2
2022-12-15 13:33:16	YamatoHD	error: package 'linux' was not found
2022-12-15 13:33:24	YamatoHD	send help i guess =)
2022-12-15 13:34:18	gromit	YamatoHD: why do you need to install "linux" on WSL? 
2022-12-15 13:35:44	gromit	And I guess that is not plain arch ...? 
2022-12-15 13:40:22	YamatoHD	yeah, im at work, im required to use windows
2022-12-15 13:40:55	YamatoHD	but i need grep, csplit and such to parse log files quickly
2022-12-15 13:41:23	YamatoHD	also irssi works here =)
2022-12-15 13:42:18	YamatoHD	it's arch alright
2022-12-15 13:43:36	YamatoHD	here's a cursed image https://i.ibb.co/ydr93g2/neofetch.png
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2022-12-15 13:48:02	heaven	Hello guys! I'm new to Arch and also to linux itself. I'm running Kde Plasma at the moment and i would like to know, my package manager (Discover) isnt working. would you recommand me another alternative ? I would like to explore the different package avaiable on Official & Aur with preferably images ( i'm a "visual" person) Thanks :)
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2022-12-15 13:49:48	YamatoHD	well there is pamac if you need it so much
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2022-12-15 13:50:02	YamatoHD	but it's a little malicious
2022-12-15 13:50:09	coruja	heaven: pacman is the package manager for arch and the (only) one recommended and supported here
2022-12-15 13:50:13	Foxboron	heaven: what do you mean with images?
2022-12-15 13:50:44	heaven	Foxboron: Give me a small moment :)
2022-12-15 13:50:51	heaven	ill show you
2022-12-15 13:50:51	Nei	are packagekit-qt* packages installed ?
2022-12-15 13:51:00	YamatoHD	he wants to click on his monitor with a mouse with icons and pictures
2022-12-15 13:51:11	YamatoHD	i think
2022-12-15 13:51:12	Foxboron	YamatoHD: I'd prefer to not guess.
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2022-12-15 13:51:31	heaven	Haha, sorry for my bad explanation... yes i'm more used to GUI, not terminals
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2022-12-15 13:52:05	heaven	If it's possible = cool! If not = I'll learn to adapt :)
2022-12-15 13:52:39	heaven	but yes, something like "pamac"
2022-12-15 13:52:59	YamatoHD	pamac fits the desription i guess
2022-12-15 13:53:02	Scimmia	why in the world would you install Arch, then?
2022-12-15 13:53:27	Foxboron	heaven: is this Arch or the Steam Deck?
2022-12-15 13:53:37	heaven	Arch Linux
2022-12-15 13:53:48	Foxboron	How did you install :p?
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2022-12-15 13:54:19	heaven	It's only for browsing what's available, i mostly use terminal, but when searching for software on arch website, it's not easy to find what you need :p
2022-12-15 13:54:54	coruja	heaven: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications
2022-12-15 13:54:55	phrik	Title: List of applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-15 13:55:13	YamatoHD	well you can search linux software on the internet in general and most likely arch has it
2022-12-15 13:55:13	heaven	ex: I'm looking for a clipboard "manager" at the moment... I have to brainstorm about the possible keywords to use in search field you know... 
2022-12-15 13:55:26	Foxboron	heaven: it depends a bit on how you approach searching for software? I personally look up software i want on github/duckduckgo/google and stuff
2022-12-15 13:55:34	Foxboron	then look for it in Arch
2022-12-15 13:55:46	coruja	heaven: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications#Clipboard_managers
2022-12-15 13:55:47	phrik	Title: List of applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-15 13:55:53	teraflops	heaven: learn a bit of pacman, you can search with it as well, pacman -sS clipboard
2022-12-15 13:56:06	YamatoHD	doesnt KDE include clipper or what its called?
2022-12-15 13:56:17	YamatoHD	with copy history in tray?
2022-12-15 13:56:31	heaven	YamatoHD: See? What do you do if you dont know the name of it ? hihi
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2022-12-15 13:56:55	heaven	YamatoHD: I'm poking/joking you, no mean to be offensive
2022-12-15 13:57:00	heaven	:)
2022-12-15 13:57:11	teraflops	pacman searches in package descriptions as well
2022-12-15 13:57:14	YamatoHD	well i google 'clipboard history' or 'big anime tiddies' depending on the mood
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2022-12-15 13:57:38	Foxboron	YamatoHD: please keep the chat civil
2022-12-15 13:57:49	YamatoHD	oh yea, sorry
2022-12-15 13:57:54	SysGhost	When it comes to looking for alternative software in general, I can recommend the web site alternativeto.net - Once you find an application for linux that you think would fit your needs, it's likely it's in the arch repositories. If not it's found in the AUR
2022-12-15 13:57:57	heaven	YamatoHD: I was gonna continue the gag, but i prefer to stay in the safe zone 
2022-12-15 13:58:01	heaven	hehe
2022-12-15 13:58:13	YamatoHD	by the way, first few days after installing arch i loved pamac
2022-12-15 13:58:29	YamatoHD	now i see zero reasons to even have it installed
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2022-12-15 13:59:10	Foxboron	heaven: generally it's recommended to understand how the AUR works, and how to build packages. Then you can just on an AUR helper if you want to
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2022-12-15 13:59:39	YamatoHD	or even hook up with Chaotic AUR
2022-12-15 14:00:01	heaven	YamatoHD: Mostly... Because, let me be honest... i'm a windows guy since 25 years...   i really enjoyed that ive jumped 100% into linux this sumer, but i have difficulties with the "readability" of terminal... Is there anything that could help that ? Something as simple a one line of 2 is darker... that would make things sooo much easier.... <3
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2022-12-15 14:01:17	Foxboron	heaven: have you enabled colors in things like pacman?
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2022-12-15 14:01:18	YamatoHD	well, im about a year and a half moved to linux and a few pieces of software helped me adopt the terminal
2022-12-15 14:01:33	pro	for backing up my entire /home/pro directory with rsync, do I need some more flags than --delete --recursive and --progress ?
2022-12-15 14:01:59	heaven	Foxboron: yes that's something i still dont understand... the "building" phase ... 
2022-12-15 14:02:15	Foxboron	heaven: what is hard to understand about it?
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2022-12-15 14:03:04	YamatoHD	yeah, enable color and Ilovecandy, its cute
2022-12-15 14:03:17	SysGhost	"building" in general in the context of computers: Going from human readable code to machine code.
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2022-12-15 14:04:03	gromit	pro: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/rsync#As_a_backup_utility
2022-12-15 14:04:04	phrik	Title: rsync - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-15 14:04:22	pro	gromit: I don't understand the --archive flag for backing up my home directory
2022-12-15 14:04:27	heaven	Foxboron: Not enabled color, i didnt know it was a thing ?! // the building phase is not the "what", it's more the "why?" of it ? 
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2022-12-15 14:04:51	Foxboron	heaven: man pacman.conf, there is a color option described there
2022-12-15 14:05:05	Foxboron	heaven: AUR distributed build files on how to build the package. It doesn't distribute pre-built packages.
2022-12-15 14:05:13	Foxboron	distributes*
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2022-12-15 14:08:31	gromit	pro: --archive, -a archive mode is -rlptgoD (no -A,-X,-U,-N,-H)
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2022-12-15 14:08:48	gromit	Just chase down the options here (or locally) https://man.archlinux.org/man/rsync.1.en
2022-12-15 14:08:51	phrik	Title: rsync(1) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2022-12-15 14:09:59	pro	but I do want for instance to preserve ACLs (because I'm cloning my home directory)
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2022-12-15 16:07:38	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-12-15 14:14:08	SysGhost	Add a capital A to the options. It'll inlcude ACL's too.
2022-12-15 14:14:44	SysGhost	i.e. rsync -aA /home  /mnt/backup/
2022-12-15 14:19:15	powftw	i'm having weird issues in my new install. flickering the screen so much. already added "i915.enable_psr=0" as kernel param.  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/intel_graphics#Screen_flickering
2022-12-15 14:19:17	phrik	Title: Intel graphics - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-15 14:30:05	SysGhost	powftw: flickering only in wayland/xorg only, or in the framebuffer as well?
2022-12-15 14:38:18	enyc	?A
2022-12-15 14:44:40	powftw	SysGhost: it starts from tty
2022-12-15 14:44:49	powftw	once i lauch xorg, i don't see it
2022-12-15 14:49:20	SysGhost	I see. Which GPU(iGPU is it?
2022-12-15 14:51:24	SysGhost	Try these kernel options too, together with the one you're already using: i915.enable_fbc=0 i915.enable_dc=0
2022-12-15 14:58:54	powftw	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=263720
2022-12-15 14:58:56	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] i5-10210U Screen Flickering [drm] *ERROR* CPU pipe A... / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-12-15 14:58:56	powftw	this helped
2022-12-15 14:59:08	powftw	why is this not perm fixed/..
2022-12-15 15:06:38	SysGhost	you fixed it with the cstate thin in the command line options?
2022-12-15 15:06:52	SysGhost	intel_idle.max_cstate=4 that is?
2022-12-15 15:07:18	SysGhost	maybe a regression. Not sure. Haven't seen this problem myself on any intel systems I have
2022-12-15 15:39:17	heaven	What is a good port to use for home arch linux server for ssh ? first time setting up
2022-12-15 15:40:11	mpan	heaven: is it accessible from outside?
2022-12-15 15:40:51	SysGhost	through your firewall? Well.. something in the high range. Something only you know. i.e. 65022
2022-12-15 15:41:58	SysGhost	but.... for security, check out how to set up vpn with wireguard. then you don't need to open up dedicated ports that can potentially be poked and prodded by the Russians.
2022-12-15 15:42:14	heaven	My goal would be to make my server accessible over the web, BUT, im aware of the risk and it's not hosting any confidential stuff. i'm doing this to learn/experiment
2022-12-15 15:42:30	mpan	It’s not about security. It’s only about noise in the logs.
2022-12-15 15:42:37	jkc	^
2022-12-15 15:42:45	jkc	Changing port numbers is absolutely not a security measure to any degree.
2022-12-15 15:42:46	heaven	I would like to know the proper way to proceed
2022-12-15 15:42:46	mpan	Changing the port number is giving very little protection from security standpoints.
2022-12-15 15:42:49	SysGhost	ah... well.. any arbitrary port above 1024 should do nicely.
2022-12-15 15:43:04	mpan	Get random port above 10000.
2022-12-15 15:43:24	heaven	I'm new to arch/linux. What would be a proper approach to secure my home server correctly ? 
2022-12-15 15:43:26	mpan	That is not for security, but to avoid noise in the logs.
2022-12-15 15:43:49	heaven	mpan: i understand
2022-12-15 15:44:20	jkc	heaven: ssh key authentication only, prohibit passwords. The default port is fine if you don't care about log volume.
2022-12-15 15:44:23	mpan	heaven: disable root login, disable password-based login for other users, allow only certificate-based authentication.
2022-12-15 15:44:36	SysGhost	ports can be anything from 1 to 65536. But ports 1-1024 are reserved for various services.
2022-12-15 15:45:13	mpan	SysGhost: note that I said 10000 for a reason (one zero more). Nowadays 4-digit ports are pretty densely populated too and you may see a lot of spam. Of course much less than for :22, but still.
2022-12-15 15:45:16	heaven	Would you suggest me any ressource/guide to properly set-up everything ? 
2022-12-15 15:45:30	mpan	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Security#SSH
2022-12-15 15:45:32	phrik	Title: Security - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-15 15:45:39	heaven	mpan: Thanks!
2022-12-15 15:45:46	mpan	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/OpenSSH
2022-12-15 15:45:47	phrik	Title: OpenSSH - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-15 15:46:50	SysGhost	mpan: good call
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2022-12-15 16:50:21	_8lurry	I was able to connect to internet with iwd from a live environment. but why does it not work on the installed (by pacstrap script) environment\
2022-12-15 16:50:48	_8lurry	is there some dependencies or config?
2022-12-15 16:51:38	teraflops	what did you pacstrap specifically?
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2022-12-15 16:52:15	teraflops	because the live environment has nothing to do with the chrooted one
2022-12-15 16:52:16	GuiToris	hey, is electron a webbrowser?
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2022-12-15 16:52:20	_8lurry	I basically used this guide: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide
2022-12-15 16:52:22	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-15 16:52:30	jelle	GuiToris: no
2022-12-15 16:52:37	_8lurry	and then install iwd on the chroot /mnt
2022-12-15 16:52:50	_8lurry	started iwd with systemctl
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2022-12-15 16:53:14	GuiToris	jelle, it feels like one
2022-12-15 16:53:23	GuiToris	I just installed whatsapp
2022-12-15 16:53:26	teraflops	ok, you did not setup iwd on the chrooted environment, you just installed a package
2022-12-15 16:53:28	GuiToris	and it opens the web interface
2022-12-15 16:53:35	_8lurry	> started iwd with systemctl , did this one after reboot
2022-12-15 16:53:38	jelle	GuiToris: I mean it uses chromium
2022-12-15 16:53:47	GuiToris	chromium is a webbrowser
2022-12-15 16:53:57	jelle	indeed
2022-12-15 16:54:07	_8lurry	what do I do to setup it?
2022-12-15 16:54:57	teraflops	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/iwd
2022-12-15 16:54:59	phrik	Title: iwd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-12-15 16:55:47	Warepire	GuiToris: https://www.electronjs.org/docs/latest/ The Introduction chapter explains it decently.
2022-12-15 16:55:49	phrik	Title: Introduction | Electron (at www.electronjs.org)
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2022-12-15 17:19:33	_8lurry	teraflops: I had to install dhcpcd and run it
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2022-12-15 17:19:59	Namarrgon	iwd can handle dhcp itself but it's disabled by default
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2022-12-15 17:20:20	Namarrgon	you also have systemd-networkd installed for dhcp
2022-12-15 17:20:37	Namarrgon	(which is what the iso uses)
2022-12-15 17:20:43	_8lurry	my router is configured to assign static IPs using DHCP, that's probably the reason
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2022-12-15 17:21:13	Namarrgon	that is unrelated
2022-12-15 17:21:21	_8lurry	systemd-networkd weren't enough
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2022-12-15 17:21:29	Namarrgon	it is if you set it up
2022-12-15 17:21:30	_8lurry	I had that enabled too
2022-12-15 17:21:39	Namarrgon	but not configured
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2022-12-15 17:21:59	Namarrgon	assume that everything needs manual configuration
2022-12-15 17:22:00	_8lurry	aha, is there some instructions?
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2022-12-15 17:22:18	Namarrgon	the wiki should have examples for systemd-networkd
2022-12-15 17:22:28	_8lurry	yeah
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2022-12-15 17:23:16	Namarrgon	"man system.network" has one too
2022-12-15 17:23:17	_8lurry	yea, I get it now
2022-12-15 17:23:27	Namarrgon	*systemd.network
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2022-12-15 17:24:55	arjab	Can someone assist me in enaling DPMS? I created a new config and added the "Monitor" section as explained in the wiki as well as added it to my existin amdgpu config. But xset q always shows that it's enabled. Why's that?
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2022-12-15 17:25:25	Namarrgon	it is enabled but doesn't work?
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2022-12-15 17:26:05	arjab	As far as I understand it, it's disabled according to "xset q".
2022-12-15 17:26:23	Namarrgon	can you post the output to a paste service?
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2022-12-15 17:27:20	arjab	Namarrgon https://pastebin.com/mYU209GP
2022-12-15 17:27:21	phrik	Title: xset qKeyboard Control: auto repeat: on key click percent: 0 LED ma - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-12-15 17:27:22	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/on3p.txt
2022-12-15 17:27:40	Namarrgon	is this a laptop?
2022-12-15 17:27:44	arjab	Nope
2022-12-15 17:27:57	Namarrgon	which wm/de are you running xset in?
2022-12-15 17:28:04	arjab	Plasma
2022-12-15 17:28:11	Namarrgon	x11 or wayland?
2022-12-15 17:28:15	arjab	X
2022-12-15 17:28:17	Namarrgon	sure?
2022-12-15 17:28:24	arjab	Yes
2022-12-15 17:28:39	Namarrgon	can you post the current xorg log?
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2022-12-15 17:29:52	arjab	Sure, one sec.
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2022-12-15 17:30:24	teraflops	phrik: xorg log
2022-12-15 17:30:25	phrik	xorg's log can be found in one of several places: the system journal, /var/log/ or $HOME/.local/share/xorg/
2022-12-15 17:30:44	arjab	Thx working on it. :)
2022-12-15 17:31:59	arjab	Namarrgon https://pastebin.com/jUv4wWcD
2022-12-15 17:32:00	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/on3W.txt
2022-12-15 17:32:00	phrik	Title: [ 17.160] (--) Log file renamed from "/var/log/Xorg.pid-1014.log" to "/var/lo - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2022-12-15 17:32:38	_8lurry	Namarrgon: but having dhcpcd is easier, because If I change the IP on my router dhcpcd will take care of it automatically
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2022-12-15 17:33:01	ℹ 	xamindar_ es conocido ahora como xamindar
2022-12-15 17:33:30	Namarrgon	_8lurry: easier than what?
2022-12-15 17:33:56	Namarrgon	you had to install an extra package to get dhcp support now, i don't find that easier than not installing an extra package
2022-12-15 17:34:08	Namarrgon	arjab: what is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d?
2022-12-15 17:34:51	_8lurry	I won't have to change it twice (once on router and also on the client as in computer)
2022-12-15 17:35:15	Namarrgon	there is nothing to change, set up a dhcp client on this system and that's it
2022-12-15 17:35:19	arjab	Namarrgon 20-amdgpu.conf for VaraibleRefresh and TearFree and a 00-keyboard.conf for my locales layout.
2022-12-15 17:35:20	_8lurry	also it's a small package, like about 600KiB
2022-12-15 17:35:36	Namarrgon	arjab: post the amdgpu conf
2022-12-15 17:36:10	teraflops	lol my laptop gave up trying to open the pastebin paste
2022-12-15 17:36:16	arjab	https://pastebin.com/raw/KetMQ8Vd
2022-12-15 17:36:17	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/on3v.txt
2022-12-15 17:36:35	SysGhost	pastebin. Now kills laptops on the fly!
2022-12-15 17:36:47	arjab	teraflops Sorry not sorry. :D
2022-12-15 17:37:05	teraflops	nah np I was just curious
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2022-12-15 17:37:13	Namarrgon	arjab: can you enable dpms with xset?
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2022-12-15 17:38:54	arjab	Namarrgon Like how? "xset -dpms" or "xset s on -dpms"?
2022-12-15 17:39:09	Namarrgon	that disables it
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2022-12-15 17:40:06	arjab	Ah got it enabled using xset +dpms.
2022-12-15 17:40:35	Namarrgon	are you sure you don't have "xset -dpms" somewhere in a config file?
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2022-12-15 17:41:08	ℹ 	akiro_ es conocido ahora como akiro
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2022-12-15 17:42:08	arjab	Namarrgon Not that I'm aware of, but I'll dig around. Thank you very much so far!
2022-12-15 17:42:33	Namarrgon	try it with a clean user account, to make sure it's not some rogue shell script in ~
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2022-12-15 17:44:39	arjab	Namarrgon The unit dbus-org.freedesktop.home1.service apparently runs "sudo X -dpms".
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2022-12-15 17:46:25	Namarrgon	how did you find that?
2022-12-15 17:46:41	arjab	journalctl -b | grep dpms
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2022-12-15 17:49:28	arjab	Namarrgon That seems to be part of systemd-homed.
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2022-12-15 17:50:05	Namarrgon	are you using some weird lockscreen?
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2022-12-15 17:51:41	lolok	i... uh... dont have this service enabled... 
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2022-12-15 17:52:07	lolok	guess its not necessary lol
2022-12-15 17:52:40	Namarrgon	also check the plasma settings
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2022-12-15 17:53:14	arjab	Namarrgon Nah, just SDDM. What setting should I check?
2022-12-15 17:53:29	Namarrgon	all the ones related to powermanagement and the displays
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2022-12-15 17:56:34	Namarrgon	is $HOME managed by systemd-homed?
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2022-12-15 17:56:47	arjab	Namarrgon There's really nothing I can find about the settings. Everything looks normal. I'll just investigate further.
2022-12-15 17:56:52	arjab	And no, it's not.
2022-12-15 17:57:13	arjab	But the homed service is also unloaded.
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2022-12-15 17:58:29	lolok	systemd-homed-activate.service?
2022-12-15 17:58:32	Namarrgon	can you post the part around the journal where that is logged?
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2022-12-15 18:00:38	teraflops	-B and -A to the rescue
2022-12-15 18:01:29	arjab	Namarrgon Sure, wait a sec.
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2022-12-15 18:01:47	arjab	teraflops And thanks ;)
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2022-12-15 18:04:06	arjab	Namarrgon https://pastebin.com/raw/YZFmDVNi
2022-12-15 18:04:07	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/onYz.txt
2022-12-15 18:04:19	arjab	Namarrgon The service doesn't even seem to be loaded.
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2022-12-15 18:05:42	arjab	Namarrgon Okay the log I just pasted also includes some of my attempts to enable dpms, lol.
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2022-12-15 18:06:04	Namarrgon	are you sure the inital "sudo X -dpms" wasn't one of your attempts too?
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2022-12-15 18:10:54	arjab	Namarrgon Would that be picked up by the dbus-daemon?
2022-12-15 18:11:07	Namarrgon	if you typed that into some kde launcher, maybe?
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2022-12-15 18:12:49	Hawson	lolok: Thanks for the help last night.  I managed to get the system working again, and I appreciate the assistance.
2022-12-15 18:12:54	arjab	Namarrgon I just tried the command and it appears in the log as dbus-daemon. Well, sorry for the misleading hint.. So still no idea what disables it.
2022-12-15 18:13:56	arjab	Namarrgon I really appreciate your help, thanks! I gotta go now, but will try to get this solved later.
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2022-12-15 18:38:59	uuidNuniq	howdy
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2022-12-15 18:46:04	kuba-orlik	hi! I have an issue with Filezilla. When I try to connect to my server, I get `GnuTLS error -43: Error in the certificate`
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2022-12-15 18:46:49	kuba-orlik	It works on other systems, so it seems something is wrong with my certificate setup?
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2022-12-15 18:48:52	drathir_tor	just for letting know "installing db (6.2.32-1) breaks dependency 'db=5.3.28' required by lib32-db"
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2022-12-15 18:52:31	Thaodan	Hey, I hope that is the right place to ask but where there plans on the berkely db 6 upgrade to prevent programs from breaking?
2022-12-15 18:52:51	Foxboron	Thaodan: What do you mean with "prevent programs from breaking"?
2022-12-15 18:52:55	drathir_tor	kuba-orlik: in case its selfsingned and old one not hurts try to renew ? maybe arch tls lib too new disabling some old certs ? (in case its lets encrypt one probably idea not apply)
2022-12-15 18:53:41	Thaodan	Foxboron: Meaning that  programs still start, db6 is imcompatilbe with db5  dbs
2022-12-15 18:54:33	Foxboron	Thaodan: Of course, but programs are rebuilt so if they don't support the new ABI then they won't build
2022-12-15 18:54:46	Foxboron	Then they are stuffed into [testing] where we see if anyone is complaining
2022-12-15 18:54:57	Foxboron	If there are no complaints, and no build failures, they are thrown into the stable repos.
2022-12-15 18:55:05	Foxboron	If anything breaks there then we resolve that as any other usual bugs
2022-12-15 18:57:58	Thaodan	I assumed there would be some planing like a psa or hooks to upgrade the databases so they work with db6. I just restarted 389-ds after the upgrade. https://paste.opensuse.org/87007827
2022-12-15 18:57:58	phrik	Title: SUSE Paste (at paste.opensuse.org)
2022-12-15 18:58:06	uuidNuniq	kuba-orlik: do you have gnutls related packages installed ?
2022-12-15 18:59:01	kuba-orlik	drathir_tor: it's not self-signed. It has a cert from DigiCert
2022-12-15 18:59:50	kuba-orlik	uuidNuniq: I have gnutls-cli installed. It properly completes the handshake with that host/port
2022-12-15 19:01:37	uuidNuniq	what the hell is gnutls-cli
2022-12-15 19:02:18	uuidNuniq	try running update-ca-trust
2022-12-15 19:02:25	Foxboron	Thaodan: hm. I don't know what freswa was planning. I can bring it onwards
2022-12-15 19:04:51	Thaodan	Foxboron: Please do so.
2022-12-15 19:04:53	Thaodan	thanks
2022-12-15 19:07:24	kuba-orlik	uuidNuniq: it works now, thanks! update-ca-trust helped
2022-12-15 19:11:57	uuidNuniq	kuba-orlik: you may need to pacman -Syu
2022-12-15 19:12:15	uuidNuniq	your system hasn't updated for some time. i guess 
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2022-12-15 19:17:45	Thaodan	Foxboron: 389-ds doesn't handle the db upgrade to db6. I'm not sure if it is supported.
2022-12-15 19:18:05	Foxboron	Thaodan: please file a bugreport
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2022-12-15 19:25:17	Thaodan	Foxboron: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/76837
2022-12-15 19:25:18	phrik	Title: FS#76837 : [389-ds-base] Was upgraded to db6 without checking if is supported (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-12-15 19:26:48	Foxboron	Thaodan: thanks!
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2022-12-15 19:34:14	sharperguy	Does anyone happen to know a command line tool that does something like "act as if an input happened, for the purposes of extending the time until the auto suspend kicks in"? I have a machine set to auto suspend after 30 mins, with a wake-on-lan and access via ssh, but sometimes id like to tell it to wait a bit.
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2022-12-15 19:34:59	B-|	how do i get the last full charge date
2022-12-15 19:35:21	B-|	how long has my battery been disconnected for
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2022-12-15 19:35:32	B-|	assume that i don't have a brain
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2022-12-15 19:37:09	Thaodan	sharperguy: You could block the dbus interface until you are done
2022-12-15 19:38:00	sharperguy	thing is, i was hoping to have something where if i forget and just walk away from the ssh session, it does eventually suspend
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2022-12-15 19:43:40	lolok	idk what youre using to auto suspend, but if you have a single login shell, you can just eg `exec sleep 300` and the user will be logged out when the sleep exits 5 mins later
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2022-12-15 19:46:26	lolok	maybe somewhere in /sys/class/power_supply B-| afaik what info is there can vary by system
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2022-12-15 20:15:34	sharperguy	the suspend a gnome power manager thing
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2022-12-15 20:20:00	ℹ 	elastic_1 es conocido ahora como elastic_dog
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2022-12-15 20:27:20	ℹ 	grym es conocido ahora como nedboot
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2022-12-15 20:27:20	ℹ 	nedboot es conocido ahora como grym
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2022-12-16 10:33:41	dav1d	I have a bunch of errors like this when updating `linux-headers: /usr/lib/modules/6.0.12-arch1-1/build/scripts/makelst exists in filesystem`, what would be the correct way to deal with this?
2022-12-16 10:34:51	dav1d	`sudo pacman -S --overwrite '*' linux-headers`?
2022-12-16 10:53:01	xx	https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/util-linux/ lists upstream as https://github.com/karelzak/util-linux but the real upstream is https://github.com/util-linux/util-linux
2022-12-16 10:53:04	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - util-linux 2.38.1-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-12-16 10:53:24	xx	do packages on archlinux have some sort of "talk page"? just like for packages on AUR?
2022-12-16 10:53:40	jelle	xx: you can fill a bug report => add new issue
2022-12-16 10:53:41	grawity	no, but they have a bugtracker
2022-12-16 11:24:32	jclsn	I messed up my grub configuration. chrooted into the environment and reinstalled it with the --removable flag as before, but when I want to grub-mkconfig, I get an ERROR: mkdir /var/lock/dmraid
2022-12-16 11:24:53	jclsn	grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB driver for /dev/sda1. Check your device map
2022-12-16 11:25:07	jclsn	I have installed grub on /dev/nvme0n1p1 though...
2022-12-16 11:27:59	jclsn	I deleted some files in /boot/efi before. Like the kernel etc. I had those double in /boot and /boot/efi. I think this was because I had Manjaro installed before and it places them in a different location
2022-12-16 11:29:19	jclsn	Ah I reinstalled the kernel and ran mkinitcpio -p again. Seems to have found the kernel now and created the entries
2022-12-16 11:33:05	jclsn	Yes worked
2022-12-16 11:34:01	xx	this https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/34434 talks about the move from shadow-utils to util-linux back in 2013, anyone know where I could read more about the move and why it happened?
2022-12-16 11:34:02	phrik	Title: FS#34434 : [util-linux] No support for remote users in chsh/chfn in 2.22 (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2022-12-16 11:34:03	YamatoHD	hello, not sure if this is common, but yesterday a 2019 install of arch i3 updated with no problems whatsoever
2022-12-16 11:34:19	YamatoHD	it updated every single of 900 installed packages
2022-12-16 11:35:09	YamatoHD	i deleted python 2 before updating tho
2022-12-16 11:36:01	jclsn	Aren't some of the kernel images here redundant? http://ix.io/4iK0
2022-12-16 11:41:26	jenkins	after doing updates yeasterday, my pc shuts off during boot as soon as the grub bootloader appears
2022-12-16 11:41:51	jenkins	I wanted to reinstall it, but I can't get the arch installation usb to boot in uefi mode
2022-12-16 11:49:14	Foxboron	jclsn: they are
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2022-12-16 11:51:41	jenkins	is there a way to force uefi boot?
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2022-12-16 11:53:05	rcf	jenkins: disable CSM entirely?
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2022-12-16 11:53:43	rcf	You’re sort of at the mercy of the firmware here 
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2022-12-16 12:11:57	jclsn	Foxboron: Seems like they are all needed. If I delete any of them, grub fails to boot the kernel
2022-12-16 12:12:30	jclsn	When installing grub I set --efi-directory=/boot. Should I maybe use /boot/efi instead?
2022-12-16 12:12:56	teraflops	jclsn: did you re-run grub-mkconfig?
2022-12-16 12:12:58	jclsn	When installing grub the kernel images seem to be copied over to /boot/efi
2022-12-16 12:13:01	Foxboron	jclsn: all of them are not needed. You have just managed to confuse up where your ESP is and what settings are left over from other installs and which belongs to your current Arch install
2022-12-16 12:13:02	jclsn	teraflops: Yes sure
2022-12-16 12:13:18	Foxboron	The kernel image should not be lumped into /boot/efi, is this Arch?
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2022-12-16 12:13:42	jclsn	Foxboron: I already deleted everything and reinstalled grub and the kernel. They are all created by Arch
2022-12-16 12:13:53	Foxboron	jclsn: is the install done through the archiso?
2022-12-16 12:14:02	jclsn	jclsn: Yes
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2022-12-16 12:14:26	Foxboron	Then what configuration did you setup to have the files be moved into /boot/efi?
2022-12-16 12:14:47	teraflops	yq -r '.
2022-12-16 12:14:50	teraflops	oops
2022-12-16 12:15:13	jclsn	Foxboron: I am just following the wiki
2022-12-16 12:15:19	Foxboron	jclsn: which part?
2022-12-16 12:15:29	jclsn	The GRUB page
2022-12-16 12:16:13	Foxboron	...okai
2022-12-16 12:16:22	Foxboron	Output of the following commands. Please use a pastebin
2022-12-16 12:16:22	Foxboron	!paste
2022-12-16 12:16:23	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-12-16 12:16:26	Foxboron	efibootmgr -v
2022-12-16 12:16:29	Foxboron	find /boot
2022-12-16 12:16:31	Foxboron	lsblk
2022-12-16 12:16:45	Foxboron	Nah, output of sudo blkid
2022-12-16 12:16:49	Foxboron	instead of lsblk
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2022-12-16 12:18:20	jclsn	Foxboron: http://ix.io/4iK5
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2022-12-16 12:18:37	jclsn	http://ix.io/4iK6
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2022-12-16 12:18:57	Foxboron	err, fak. I need lsblk as well
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2022-12-16 12:19:16	jclsn	http://ix.io/4iK7
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2022-12-16 12:21:08	Foxboron	file listing of the boot partition?
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2022-12-16 12:22:12	jclsn	http://ix.io/4iK8
2022-12-16 12:23:05	Foxboron	I said `find /boot` :p
2022-12-16 12:24:50	jclsn	http://ix.io/4iKa
2022-12-16 12:25:10	Foxboron	Nice, okay
2022-12-16 12:25:51	Foxboron	So to answer the first question "should i use /boot/efi instead" the answer is yes
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2022-12-16 12:26:09	Foxboron	You are booting 0001 which is HD(1,GPT,ed777030-8dbd-434c-aec2-13199c8c920f,0x22,0x1007de)/File(\EFI\GRUB\grubx64.efi)
2022-12-16 12:26:28	Foxboron	Which points to nvme0n1p1, which is mounted at /boot/efi
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2022-12-16 12:27:19	Foxboron	(the bootorder says to boot a manjaro grub, but this one is gone so it will boot 0001 instead)
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2022-12-16 12:28:16	jclsn	I should have probably cleaned the EFI partition before installing Arch
2022-12-16 12:28:18	jclsn	?
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2022-12-16 12:28:47	Foxboron	Yes, that would have made it more.
2022-12-16 12:28:52	jclsn	Hmm well
2022-12-16 12:28:57	jclsn	I don't have any issues really
2022-12-16 12:29:06	jclsn	I was just wondering why there were double entries
2022-12-16 12:29:09	Foxboron	it more easily detect able*
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2022-12-16 12:29:16	jenkins	rcf: disabling CSM fixed it, thank you very much
2022-12-16 12:29:17	Foxboron	I mean, they should be there.
2022-12-16 12:29:17	jclsn	I think I will keep that in mind for next time
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2022-12-16 12:29:28	Foxboron	jclsn: the question is what copies over the files from /boot into /boot/efi?
2022-12-16 12:29:38	rcf	jenkins: no problem
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2022-12-16 12:32:21	jclsn	Foxboron: Oopsie, I might have forgot to format / as well
2022-12-16 12:32:48	jclsn	There are still some leftovers from Manjaro's mkinitcpio configs in /etc/mkinitcpio.d
2022-12-16 12:33:37	jclsn	So I guess there is some Manjaro grub configuration file that is copying the files over to /boot/efi
2022-12-16 12:33:43	jclsn	Which one could that be?
2022-12-16 12:33:53	Foxboron	jclsn: how did you forget to format /?
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2022-12-16 12:34:33	jclsn	Foxboron: I haven't installed Arch in years. I was very stressed out by it
2022-12-16 12:35:24	Foxboron	The answer is that I don't recall what Manjaro does around this and would prefer if I wouldn't need to figure it out
2022-12-16 12:35:35	jclsn	Foxboron: You don't have to
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2022-12-16 12:35:46	jclsn	My installation is messed up. That is the bottom line
2022-12-16 12:36:02	jclsn	But it works, so no issues really. I will reinstall cleanly when I find the time
2022-12-16 12:36:35	Foxboron	Okay
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2022-12-16 12:58:36	lolok	python-cffi is required by hexchat-text, which is provided by the hexchat package, but its not listed as a dep
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2022-12-16 13:43:58	mpan	h4rd3n3d_: “they” is perfectly fine, if you do not know the pronoun.
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2022-12-16 13:49:21	Ennea	why not just use their proper pronoun, then? ;p
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2022-12-16 13:54:12	lolok	actually, seems that it does work without it, just spits out ugly errors
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2022-12-16 13:55:55	NetSysFire	just use they and it will be fine
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2022-12-16 14:14:32	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-12-16 14:15:00	Strykar	lolok: I use vi :) try telnet, f-irc / lchat
2022-12-16 14:16:36	Vectorboost	weechat is not bad, but somehow I did not find it's configuration very intuitive. Normally I dig in stuff, but I could not get it to do what I want in like 15 minutes and gave up :D
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2022-12-16 14:17:14	Ennea	weechat's config is vast. extremely vast. i could totally see that being an issue for some
2022-12-16 14:17:26	Ennea	if you don't mind spending some time in the config, weechat will most certainly do everything you need
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2022-12-16 14:19:24	Strykar	It isn't intuitive to me, at all. But it's fire and forget, test a config like the one linked above with "weechat -d"
2022-12-16 14:19:24	lolok	wait... you can use telnet for irc? lmfao that might be best for what im trying to do and i never thought of it
2022-12-16 14:20:03	Ennea	of course! just remember that line endings are \r\n ;p
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2022-12-16 14:20:54	phrik	Title: WeeChat :: documentation (at weechat.org)
2022-12-16 14:21:36	Ennea	we're already in #archlinux, they may not need a VM ;)
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2022-12-16 14:24:08	Koragg	the only issue with telnet for IRC is responding to pings, you would need to script that
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2022-12-16 14:26:18	Ennea	Koragg, can you script telnet
2022-12-16 14:26:35	Ennea	*?
2022-12-16 14:26:47	Koragg	maybe a simple bash script calling telnet and responding to the PINGs
2022-12-16 14:26:49	NetSysFire	yes
2022-12-16 14:27:03	NetSysFire	https://github.com/dylanaraps/birch
2022-12-16 14:27:04	Ennea	curious. certainly not something i've ever tried :)
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2022-12-16 14:27:16	lolok	bash is turing complete lol you can script anything if you try hard enough
2022-12-16 14:27:34	teraflops	Ennea: that's what suckless do I guess, https://tools.suckless.org/ii/
2022-12-16 14:27:35	phrik	Title: tools | suckless.org software that sucks less (at tools.suckless.org)
2022-12-16 14:28:02	teraflops	it uses a fifo
2022-12-16 14:28:08	lolok	thx NetSysFire this is amazing
2022-12-16 14:28:38	NetSysFire	by the way, malware utilizes the very same aspect, too: https://isc.sans.edu/diary/Malicious+Network+Traffic+From+binbash/23591
2022-12-16 14:28:48	Ennea	teraflops, that is so weird :D
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2022-12-16 14:30:59	Vectorboost	h4rd3n3d_: Yep if I'll do some work where I can use awesomewm again, I'll definitely consider weechat again. Now I have to use too many electron apps and KDE Plasma just does it better. And hexchat is not ideal in many ways...
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2022-12-16 14:31:52	Ennea	Vectorboost, if you're using a bunch of web stuff anyway, have you checked out thelounge? pretty nice web based irc client
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2022-12-16 14:34:24	Vectorboost	Ennea, nice tip, thanks! Right now I prefer to have a native app if I can as I already have so many corporate web apps and other 'super software' like MS Teams running both in the browser and in the electron app.
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2022-12-16 14:39:54	lolok	hmmm gonna have to learn to wrap telnet in ssl
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2022-12-16 14:41:28	Vectorboost	I've found what I missed, my IRC experience was not complete without good bitmap font. That was the last thing that I needed to re-create that mIRC feel :D
2022-12-16 14:41:54	Ennea	so you got this one i hope? ;) https://github.com/kika/fixedsys
2022-12-16 14:41:58	teraflops	no emojis? :D
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2022-12-16 14:44:15	lolok	田𓂺🐧
2022-12-16 14:44:31	teraflops	!reptilebeam
2022-12-16 14:44:32	phrik	🐢 🐊 🦎 🐍 🐲 🐉 🦕 🦖
2022-12-16 14:44:40	lolok	gotta love unicode
2022-12-16 14:44:45	Vectorboost	Ennea, even better one, look https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ttf-perfectdos
2022-12-16 14:44:47	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - ttf-perfectdos (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-12-16 14:45:01	Vectorboost	If I want emoji I can switch to terminus nerd font :D
2022-12-16 14:45:48	Ennea	Vectorboost, ohh, that's a nice one
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2022-12-16 14:49:51	brjl	Vectorboost: Is that true monospace?
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2022-12-16 14:50:58	Vectorboost	brjl, I'm not sure, perhaps not. In terminal it would be a problem, in hexchat I don't care much 😇
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2022-12-16 14:52:00	Vectorboost	Somehow, I can see all the emoji even with the fixedsys. I just tried ttf-fixedsys-excelsior-linux from AUR.
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2022-12-16 14:52:37	lolok	if will fallback to another font that has the glyph is it cant find one in the font you have set
2022-12-16 14:52:54	lolok	s/is/if/
2022-12-16 14:53:11	lolok	s/if/it/1
2022-12-16 14:53:26	teraflops	fontconfig tries to render them using font-fallback 
2022-12-16 14:53:50	teraflops	it basically tries each front till it's rendered
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2022-12-16 14:54:21	teraflops	font^
2022-12-16 14:56:02	ℹ 	sh1bum1 es conocido ahora como shibumi
2022-12-16 14:57:42	teraflops	lolok: ah didnt read you, yes indeed
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2022-12-16 14:59:20	lolok	its ok i didnt read myself either lol
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2022-12-16 20:36:53	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-16 20:36:53	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1466 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1466 normals)
2022-12-16 16:22:52	PomyloneKodowani	Howdy Guys and Girls, ready for some action?
2022-12-16 16:23:39	mpan	!welcome
2022-12-16 16:23:40	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-12-16 16:23:45	⚡ 	docdrow slaps PomyloneKodowani with a large trout!
2022-12-16 16:23:49	PomyloneKodowani	HAHAHAHA
2022-12-16 16:26:01	PomyloneKodowani	i chmod-ed 777 on / that one time ... , at work =_+
2022-12-16 16:28:10	mpan	PomyloneKodowani: recursively?
2022-12-16 16:28:44	arjab	I once rm -rf'ed my /timeshift directory which was actually just a mount point of /. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-12-16 16:31:05	docdrow	I did a "killall" -15 on a process when deploying RS6000 systems at a large university
2022-12-16 16:31:15	PomyloneKodowani	hang on, i had to run the OBS for this make those memories on paper - please eco enthusiasts forgive cause i dont know what iam doin'
2022-12-16 16:31:18	docdrow	That's when I learned not all Unix's have the same killall syntax :-)
2022-12-16 16:32:10	PomyloneKodowani	what would it "normally" kill?
2022-12-16 16:32:35	NetSysFire	killall means "kill all process that currently run" on some unix systems
2022-12-16 16:32:44	NetSysFire	maybe even includes init
2022-12-16 16:32:56	PomyloneKodowani	haha ha ha yeah that's sweet
2022-12-16 16:34:40	Ennea	what's the point of that, even?
2022-12-16 16:34:56	PomyloneKodowani	hmm.. self defence ?
2022-12-16 16:35:13	Ennea	... from what?
2022-12-16 16:35:20	PomyloneKodowani	MOVIES!!
2022-12-16 16:45:12	⚡ 	PomyloneKodowani is back with mug of coffee - that's already half empty 
2022-12-16 16:48:08	PomyloneKodowani	can i tell u now about my massive struggle? I propose a game you tell me if i tried this location for the file and i will answer "Y" or hopefully (sic!) "N". The gist is try to set my keyboarrd layout to pl in the xsession automatically 
2022-12-16 16:49:07	coruja	!give PomyloneKodowani askform
2022-12-16 16:49:08	phrik	PomyloneKodowani: To make helping you easier for us, consider asking this way: 'I have a problem with ___. When I try to do ___, I get the following output: ___. I expected it to do ___.' Please mind !paste.
2022-12-16 16:50:40	⚡ 	PomyloneKodowani phrik coruja let's do it!
2022-12-16 16:51:36	PomyloneKodowani	!paste
2022-12-16 16:51:37	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-12-16 16:54:30	PomyloneKodowani	now when i think i have to present the data somehow it makes me think somewhat differently, is this introverted rubber-ducky-ing
2022-12-16 16:54:53	jelle	PomyloneKodowani: just ask, don't give us riddles
2022-12-16 16:58:00	PomyloneKodowani	I have a problem with switching tty's when i try to do ctrl-alt... it works... =_= wait i'll get something else,
2022-12-16 17:00:43	PomyloneKodowani	I have a problem with Xorg keyboard layout . When I try to do gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf, I get the following output: Unknown output i didn't check, but polish signs don't work . I expected it to do alt+l should do an ł.
2022-12-16 17:01:23	PomyloneKodowani	is this any better ? ='_='
2022-12-16 17:01:45	Namarrgon	you should post the config to a paste service
2022-12-16 17:01:55	PomyloneKodowani	yes realised this now 
2022-12-16 17:02:00	Namarrgon	and perhaps the xorg log
2022-12-16 17:02:25	coruja	altgr+l returns ł here (de layout)
2022-12-16 17:04:38	PomyloneKodowani	https://paste.rs/zjN for the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf 
2022-12-16 17:06:27	Namarrgon	what gives you the "Unknown output" output?
2022-12-16 17:10:06	PomyloneKodowani	(-_-)' it was meant to be output - unknown- i didn't check log or checking utility and realised i should've probably done that but is there a point if the keys clearly don't work but work if i use setxkbmap util
2022-12-16 17:10:31	Namarrgon	post the xorg log
2022-12-16 17:10:54	Namarrgon	if 'setxkbmap pl' works then so should that config snippet
2022-12-16 17:12:42	PomyloneKodowani	https://gist.github.com/ahochul/89269bd8fd2510e1636bfbe6c50903ed
2022-12-16 17:13:29	Namarrgon	Time: Tue Dec 13 22:19:03 2022
2022-12-16 17:13:30	PomyloneKodowani	coruja it doesn'on what probably us layout i am on by default, i can try check on next login session
2022-12-16 17:14:59	PomyloneKodowani	Namarrgon, not only that doesn't work for me i also tried varius .*rc files and some another conf.d folder files and it doesn't work
2022-12-16 17:15:11	Namarrgon	you posted an old log
2022-12-16 17:15:20	Namarrgon	how do you start X?
2022-12-16 17:16:31	PomyloneKodowani	true, haven't noticed it's the only one in there, i use gdm.service
2022-12-16 17:16:54	Namarrgon	which wm/de do you start from gdm?
2022-12-16 17:17:18	PomyloneKodowani	gnome - not sure what version Mr
2022-12-16 17:17:56	Namarrgon	are you using the wayland or x11 session?
2022-12-16 17:18:39	PomyloneKodowani	i recall disabling wayland Sir
2022-12-16 17:18:49	Namarrgon	why did you disable wayland?
2022-12-16 17:19:01	Namarrgon	the x11 log will be in the user's journal then
2022-12-16 17:19:04	PomyloneKodowani	ohh i thought you'd never ask
2022-12-16 17:19:35	PomyloneKodowani	ROFL
2022-12-16 17:50:33	PomyloneKodowani	Namarrgon, the log file is really messy atm, do you perhaps know how to fix gru 16 16:15:28 localhost gnome-session[10706]: gnome-session-binary[10706]: WARNING: Could not parse desktop file setxkbmap.desktop or it references a not found TryExec binary
2022-12-16 17:50:34	PomyloneKodowani	gru 16 16:15:28 localhost gnome-session-binary[10706]: WARNING: Could not parse desktop file setxkbmap.desktop or it references a not found TryExec binary
2022-12-16 17:51:31	Namarrgon	that is not really a problem, just the fallout of a previous mistake
2022-12-16 17:51:48	Namarrgon	were you trying to run setxkbmap from gnome's launcher?
2022-12-16 17:53:19	PomyloneKodowani	yess
2022-12-16 17:53:55	Namarrgon	it needs to be started from a terminal, the gnome launcher does start a terminal for you
2022-12-16 17:53:57	Namarrgon	*does not
2022-12-16 17:56:36	PomyloneKodowani	may i present the desktop file should i set Terminal to true perhaps? https://gist.github.com/ahochul/b4ba06274b716842dea23493d2ba4033
2022-12-16 17:57:00	Namarrgon	what are you trying to achieve here?
2022-12-16 17:57:31	Namarrgon	you are on a misguided path if you are trying to set the keymap this way
2022-12-16 17:58:35	Namarrgon	find the xorg log in the user's journal, it will tell you what is wrong with your snippet
2022-12-16 17:58:42	Namarrgon	alternatively set the keymap in the gnome settings
2022-12-16 17:59:49	PomyloneKodowani	yes i want both
2022-12-16 18:00:22	⚡ 	PomyloneKodowani shall fetch more coffee
2022-12-16 18:08:57	chiselfuse	hello, i get an "undefined symbol: foobar",    when i look at the elf, i see that symbol under .dynsym section, how can i determine which .so file it's supposed to be finding this symbol in?
2022-12-16 18:09:41	grawity	I *think* it would look for the symbol in every .so that gets loaded into the process, not in any specific one? (i.e. everything from ldd/lddtree)
2022-12-16 18:09:58	grawity	or if you're compiling something: in every .so that gets linked
2022-12-16 18:10:20	⚡ 	PomyloneKodowani is back
2022-12-16 18:10:33	chiselfuse	well now i don't know an efficient way of looking for were that symbol is defined, googling it gets me no results
2022-12-16 18:10:39	chiselfuse	grawity: _ZN11KMessageBox17warningTwoActionsEP7QWidgetRK7QStringS4_RK8KGuiItemS7_S4_6QFlagsINS_6OptionEE
2022-12-16 18:10:42	chiselfuse	any clue?
2022-12-16 18:10:48	chiselfuse	it's kdenlive
2022-12-16 18:11:03	chiselfuse	ldd $(which kdenlive) gives me a big list
2022-12-16 18:11:30	⚡ 	grawity opens demangler.com
2022-12-16 18:11:53	chiselfuse	i am on limited data plan so i can't afford pull a full system upgrade
2022-12-16 18:12:04	grawity	that's KMessageBox::warningTwoActions(QWidget*, QString const&, QString const&, KGuiItem const&, KGuiItem const&, QString const&, QFlags<KMessageBox::Option>), and KMessageBox comes from kwidgetsaddons
2022-12-16 18:13:00	chiselfuse	what .so file?
2022-12-16 18:13:18	chiselfuse	pkgfile kwidgetsaddons.so
2022-12-16 18:13:20	chiselfuse	nothing
2022-12-16 18:13:28	grawity	pkgfile -l kwidgetsaddons
2022-12-16 18:13:30	grawity	| grep so
2022-12-16 18:14:36	⚡ 	PomyloneKodowani thinks when he looks at elfs it's usually a nice movie, but stays in his corner, patiently 
2022-12-16 18:15:52	chiselfuse	grawity: i don't get it, it's not listed as dep to kdenlive
2022-12-16 18:16:03	chiselfuse	package: kwidgetsaddons
2022-12-16 18:17:11	chiselfuse	grawity> KMessageBox comes from kwidgetsaddons,    can you clarify what `kwidgetsaddons` is here? is it a package name or lib or what?
2022-12-16 18:18:29	chiselfuse	it works now nvm i dont care anymore
2022-12-16 18:18:32	Frogging101	What were you doing when you got the undefined symbol issue?
2022-12-16 18:18:35	Frogging101	I'm just curious
2022-12-16 18:18:35	chiselfuse	just kidding
2022-12-16 18:19:14	chiselfuse	Frogging101: just installed kdenlive `pacman -S kdenlive` and started it for first time, system isn't fully upgraded although i doubt that's the issue
2022-12-16 18:19:29	chiselfuse	because i fixed it by installing a package that wasn't under the deps for it
2022-12-16 18:19:50	grawity	what do you mean it wasn't
2022-12-16 18:20:07	chiselfuse	s/wasn't/isn't
2022-12-16 18:20:21	chiselfuse	i installed kwidgetsaddons
2022-12-16 18:20:22	grawity	it's listed 3 (three) times in `pactree -s kdenlive`
2022-12-16 18:20:33	grawity	as a dependency of various things that kdenlvie depends on
2022-12-16 18:20:54	chiselfuse	grawity: i am looking at the web thingy here    https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/kdenlive/
2022-12-16 18:20:56	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - kdenlive 22.12.0-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2022-12-16 18:21:03	grawity	that only lists direct dependencies
2022-12-16 18:21:05	chiselfuse	it's not listed
2022-12-16 18:21:07	grawity	those can have their own dependencies
2022-12-16 18:21:12	chiselfuse	aha
2022-12-16 18:21:14	grawity	and those dependencies can have further dependencies
2022-12-16 18:23:25	Frogging101	yeah, that's weird that after installing kdenlive you didn't have kwidgetsaddons, since it's in the dependency tree
2022-12-16 18:23:46	chiselfuse	no clue
2022-12-16 18:24:01	chiselfuse	i also did pacman -Syy
2022-12-16 18:24:12	chiselfuse	w/e will look into it l8r (never)
2022-12-16 18:26:36	chiselfuse	do i really need to install separate "breeze" package to dark theme kde apps?
2022-12-16 18:27:06	chiselfuse	is there a more autistic and less garbage non-linear video editing softare maybe?
2022-12-16 18:28:10	Frogging101	video editong software? on linux? lol
2022-12-16 18:28:35	Frogging101	Last time I edited videos (admittedly quite a few years ago), kdenlive was actually the best I used
2022-12-16 18:28:51	chiselfuse	yea that's what i'm using now
2022-12-16 18:29:24	chiselfuse	but i think it uses some kde lib for ui and hopefully install this dark theme package for it won't break my system
2022-12-16 18:45:41	PomyloneKodowani	this is closest i found to keyboard error - The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: > Error:            Can't find file "en" for symbols include >                   Exiting >                   Abandoning symbols file "default" Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server  I' am thinking to reboot or at least restart X to get a clean log if we can fix this 
2022-12-16 18:46:49	PomyloneKodowani	Namarrgon, if you're still around ((^_^)
2022-12-16 18:52:35	PomyloneKodowani	and in fact only en symbols seem to be missing from the looks of it contents of /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols - https://gist.github.com/ahochul/ce6d2b2f4cbc3c6aaa95d8751e0e9176
2022-12-16 19:16:54	PomyloneKodowani	if anybody looks for me I am restarting (requested a bnc too)
2022-12-16 19:41:44	uuidNuniq	makepkg on linux, is this message normal : Warning: 'make modules_install' requires /doesnt/exist. Please install it. 
2022-12-16 19:44:12	PomyloneKodowani	Namarrgon, i think my autostart script executes now, it might be ugly but it get's it off my mind, thanks for the help
2022-12-16 20:02:46	jensen	i switch to tty2 as kind a quick and dirty lockscreen when i'm away but when i return, often times i can't go back to tty1--it would just freeze. i need to kill the window manager in tty1 so i can get it back. any ideas why? i'm on Sway if it matters
2022-12-16 20:09:55	PomyloneKodowani	jensen, you might be insterested in shortcut windows key + l, hope it works on sway
2022-12-16 20:12:29	susi	PomyloneKodowani: but there is us and gb
2022-12-16 20:12:44	PomyloneKodowani	jensen, if you're however irked by the behaviour of tty in the situation when used in "quick and dirty" way i shall take a stand in tribunal of rights for ttys and lockscreens against you
2022-12-16 20:13:41	PomyloneKodowani	susi
2022-12-16 20:13:54	PomyloneKodowani	howdy
2022-12-16 20:15:32	PomyloneKodowani	i am probably missing the point, in case i am not missing a point ... act normal 
2022-12-16 20:17:07	susi	PomyloneKodowani: what do you want to achieve with this setxkbmap.desktop?
2022-12-16 20:17:27	susi	aren't there better options to set your users preferred keyboard layout
2022-12-16 20:18:05	PomyloneKodowani	who are youuu
2022-12-16 20:18:12	susi	I myself set it in xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard, Option "XkbLayout" "us" and Option "XkbVariant" "dvorak-alt-intl"
2022-12-16 20:18:59	PomyloneKodowani	how do dvorak
2022-12-16 20:21:18	susi	and there's localectl :-)
2022-12-16 20:23:29	PomyloneKodowani	i've pushed through the 00- and localtectl to set it even, saddly it to no avail 
2022-12-16 20:25:43	PomyloneKodowani	not sure if it rings the right bells in my head, dvorak is pre-thought for us, is it common now?
2022-12-16 20:27:38	PomyloneKodowani	and to answer the question directly, susi: i achived the pl keyboard layaout at the cos of unknown perfomance difference 
2022-12-16 20:28:13	PomyloneKodowani	cos=cost*
2022-12-16 20:30:20	susi	I don't know if it's common or not, but I've been using it for a very long time
2022-12-16 20:34:40	PomyloneKodowani	do you play go?
2022-12-16 20:35:59	PomyloneKodowani	perhaps forget i asked, I, it feels too forward, and it's not like i have something to offer there 
2022-12-16 20:36:53	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-16 20:49:36	susi	PomyloneKodowani: are you using Gnome as your DE? there's surely input/keyboard settings in Preferences
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2022-12-16 21:00:39	PomyloneKodowani	susi found it, thank, I guess, cause since you askin' I have a dream to have it codified 
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2022-12-16 21:09:18	PomyloneKodowani	dream, more like a whim
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2022-12-16 21:19:24	susi	with a 87-key board (incl. Fn, ++has 12 fn-combos), should I use pc86, pc98, or pc105 keyboard model?
2022-12-16 21:20:56	susi	this keyboard has Fn, Win, altgr and Menu keys
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2022-12-16 21:33:02	PomyloneKodowani	susi: it might be an addition question, but i'd say try what works starting with your best guess 
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2022-12-16 21:34:23	dok	hi, I've just noticed that upgrading the package kicad-6.0.9-2 to kicad-6.0.9-3 (just a rebuild right ?) has a net change of 379.34 MiB
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2022-12-16 21:36:36	Foxboron	hm
2022-12-16 21:37:10	Foxboron	dok: Well, it enabled the debug package
2022-12-16 21:37:13	dok	options=('debug')
2022-12-16 21:37:15	dok	yeah
2022-12-16 21:37:17	Foxboron	and I'm not sure why it would change so much
2022-12-16 21:37:20	dok	:'(
2022-12-16 21:37:25	dok	debug informations I guess
2022-12-16 21:37:33	Foxboron	No, it should be stripped into a seperate package
2022-12-16 21:37:38	dok	uhm
2022-12-16 21:37:59	Foxboron	and since I implemented all of this crap I'm now actually downloading the package
2022-12-16 21:38:05	dok	I am not a packaging expert, only reporting strange size changes
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2022-12-16 21:38:37	dok	my disk space is not extensive, It's not like I could download more space 
2022-12-16 21:38:53	dok	(true but joking)
2022-12-16 21:39:07	Foxboron	interesting
2022-12-16 21:39:10	Foxboron	what
2022-12-16 21:39:34	Foxboron	there is a file under /site-packages called _pcbnew.so which has a file difference of 300 MB :)
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2022-12-16 21:39:48	⚡ 	PomyloneKodowani chuckles
2022-12-16 21:40:01	Foxboron	how weird
2022-12-16 21:41:10	Foxboron	okay, one .so file under python... has debug symbols which is 300 MB
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2022-12-16 21:42:16	heat	why was 'debug' added anyway?
2022-12-16 21:42:27	Foxboron	We are testing and enabling debug packages
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2022-12-16 21:42:34	dok	oh hey heat :-)
2022-12-16 21:42:38	heat	doesn't seem like something that should be pushed to the main repo though?
2022-12-16 21:42:47	heat	dok, hi :)
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2022-12-16 21:42:58	Foxboron	heat: Why do you think it is pushed to the main repos?
2022-12-16 21:43:27	◣	upsala (~zcb@185.209.196.139) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 3.7.1)
2022-12-16 21:43:29	dok	... for debuggin'
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2022-12-16 21:43:48	⚡ 	PomyloneKodowani sniffs with laughter
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2022-12-16 21:44:04	heat	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/blob/packages/kicad/trunk/PKGBUILD#L37
2022-12-16 21:44:53	Foxboron	heat: yes, what does that option mean?
2022-12-16 21:45:24	heat	ahhhhhhhhh I see
2022-12-16 21:45:29	heat	the stripping is going wrong
2022-12-16 21:45:33	heat	sorry!
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2022-12-16 21:45:39	Foxboron	:D
2022-12-16 21:45:43	Foxboron	No worries
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2022-12-16 21:45:59	dok	heat: where do you see that ? (show me :3)
2022-12-16 21:46:13	Foxboron	They are guessing, as I'm currently doing as well
2022-12-16 21:46:26	dok	^^'
2022-12-16 21:47:31	heat	could you actually run into issues by just forcing -g everywhere such that 'debug' needs to be opt-in?
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2022-12-16 21:47:51	Foxboron	I'm not sure what "-g" would refer to in this case
2022-12-16 21:47:56	heat	CFLAG
2022-12-16 21:48:17	Foxboron	Hrm, interesting. makepkg silently skips .so when debug is enabled
2022-12-16 21:48:34	heat	which is what I assume is part of 'debug' 's behavior
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2022-12-16 21:50:10	Foxboron	heat: I don't recall the flags
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2022-12-16 21:52:35	Foxboron	I suspect a recent change in pacman might actually solve this hrm
2022-12-16 21:52:52	thrice	"if it builds, ship it"
2022-12-16 21:53:17	Foxboron	describes most of my packaging
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2022-12-16 22:02:03	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-16 22:07:27	Foxboron	ugh
2022-12-16 22:07:36	Foxboron	I wanna debug this without building kicad :/
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2022-12-16 22:10:59	dok	ouch
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2022-12-16 22:19:17	dok	i really should upgrade my local network, I can physically experience the update on 100MB/s link
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2022-12-16 23:54:01	novns	Foxboron, gogs' author does not like commits from outside, that's why gitea was created
2022-12-16 23:54:51	novns	and gitea now goes mad, that's why forgejo was forked
2022-12-16 23:56:29	novns	but forgejo is not a big and powerful fork, a lot of developers stay with gitea
2022-12-17 00:08:23	post-factum	isn't codeberg the biggest gitea-soon-to-be-forgejo public instance?
2022-12-17 00:16:17	brocellous	I like codeberg, it seems nice.
2022-12-17 01:26:37	novns	post-factum, the whole point of gogs/gitea is to host it yourself
2022-12-17 01:27:01	novns	gitlab is too heavy and greedy
2022-12-17 01:27:43	⚡ 	MacGyver does a shifty eyeglance at gitolite.
2022-12-17 01:27:57	fijxu	o/
2022-12-17 01:28:05	fijxu	i love gitea
2022-12-17 01:28:30	MacGyver	I don't need a web interface, I just need a git server :P
2022-12-17 01:28:31	novns	MacGyver, gitolite doesn't have a web UI
2022-12-17 01:29:09	fijxu	btw, i there any way to get the history of the chat?. i am kinda new using IRC
2022-12-17 01:29:10	BrainDamage	isn't that just a http server?
2022-12-17 01:29:16	novns	and all those issues, wiki, etc
2022-12-17 01:29:21	MacGyver	BrainDamage: No.
2022-12-17 01:29:37	novns	and the mighty API for managing things with your scripts
2022-12-17 01:29:46	MacGyver	BrainDamage: Pulling, sure, but pushing is a different ballgame.
2022-12-17 01:29:53	BrainDamage	fijxu: no, you can reduce the problem by having a always-on bot that you connect in your stead
2022-12-17 01:30:00	BrainDamage	called a bouncer
2022-12-17 01:30:18	BrainDamage	isn't that just ssh over git-shell?
2022-12-17 01:30:20	Foxboron	dok: I solved it
2022-12-17 01:30:32	MacGyver	BrainDamage: Yes, that is effectively what gitolite does for you.
2022-12-17 01:30:41	MacGyver	BrainDamage: Scripted automation around ssh and git.
2022-12-17 01:30:48	fijxu	BrainDamage: thanks 
2022-12-17 01:30:52	Foxboron	dok: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman/-/blob/master/scripts/libmakepkg/tidy/strip.sh.in#L75
2022-12-17 01:30:55	phrik	Title: scripts/libmakepkg/tidy/strip.sh.in · master · Pacman / Pacman · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2022-12-17 01:31:18	novns	fijxu, using IRC is more comfortable and relaxing because it's just conversations
2022-12-17 01:31:19	Foxboron	I'm not sure *why* we have files with the same buildid.. but makepkg does something weird and refuses to strip it if it *thinks* the file has already been stripped
2022-12-17 01:32:05	fijxu	novns: yeah i know, i am using Quassel IRC for now and it just works
2022-12-17 01:32:14	MacGyver	fijxu: Inability to get the chat history is not a bug, it's a feature, btw. Everything is ephemeral, and if I want to slag off Foxboron at least I can do so safely in channels where they're not present.
2022-12-17 01:32:44	fijxu	now everyone uses Discord and it sucks, Matrix is more acceptable
2022-12-17 01:32:48	BrainDamage	!grab MacGyver
2022-12-17 01:32:48	phrik	BrainDamage: Tada!
2022-12-17 01:32:48	MacGyver	fijxu: Weechat / irssi inside a tmux / screen on a remote server somewhere is one alternative.
2022-12-17 01:33:03	novns	I "hate" Matrix, not sure why
2022-12-17 01:33:08	dok	Foxboron: nice !
2022-12-17 01:33:08	MacGyver	fijxu: Also if you're a Matrix-user, there's actually Matrix-bridges you can use.
2022-12-17 01:33:35	Foxboron	dok: I'm not sure why /usr/bin/_pcbnew.kiface and /usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/_pcbnew.so has the same build-id...
2022-12-17 01:33:36	novns	Fractal doesn't work on Arch, btw.  you have to run flatpak to use it
2022-12-17 01:33:43	MacGyver	novns: On a technical level, running your own Matrix server takes an inordinate amount of resources for something that feels like IRC on steroids.
2022-12-17 01:33:55	MacGyver	novns: On a non-technical level, all those f*ing kids should get on IRC already.
2022-12-17 01:33:56	novns	there is some issue with openssl or something
2022-12-17 01:33:57	fijxu	I prefer native instead of bridges, they are kinda rare, if the bridge is down, everyone is down 
2022-12-17 01:34:12	MacGyver	fijxu: The Libera bridges are pretty good.
2022-12-17 01:34:19	MacGyver	I hardly ever see them split.
2022-12-17 01:34:23	Namarrgon	the kms framebuffer now uses the highest resolution of all connected displays and on the smaller ones the text is just cut off..
2022-12-17 01:34:31	Foxboron	MacGyver: OY
2022-12-17 01:34:32	MacGyver	But whatever you want to use is fine, I just figured I'd mention it.
2022-12-17 01:35:43	MacGyver	Foxboron: Yes? O:)
2022-12-17 01:36:00	novns	and discord is good for getting illegal soccer and f1 streams
2022-12-17 01:36:09	novns	that's the only thing it's good for
2022-12-17 01:36:16	archdemon	novns: dont forget hockey hah
2022-12-17 01:37:59	dok	Foxboron: maybe /usr/bin/_pcbnew.kiface is /usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/_pcbnew.so
2022-12-17 01:38:15	dok	/usr/bin/_pcbnew.kiface seems to be an elf
2022-12-17 01:38:27	Foxboron	dok: no, they are different files
2022-12-17 01:38:34	Foxboron	I'm not comparing with the fedora debug packages...
2022-12-17 01:39:55	novns	btw, they say the new musescore 4 become much much better
2022-12-17 01:40:06	novns	I'm waiting for the package to come
2022-12-17 01:40:36	novns	and for the inevitable disappointment
2022-12-17 01:40:41	dok	Foxboron: strange, I've made the update and they do not have the same build id (at least according to file(1))
2022-12-17 01:41:12	kode54	the heck
2022-12-17 01:41:23	Foxboron	dok: it's the same on my machine
2022-12-17 01:41:29	aephos	My pacman keys are borked (every signature while doing a "sudo pacman -Syu" says its of unknown trust) and "sudo pacman-key --refresh-keys" doesn't fix it. What's the next thing to look at?
2022-12-17 01:41:36	kode54	someone reawakened the /g/ anti-systemd flamewar on the dev mailing list
2022-12-17 01:42:05	kode54	I've literally never known anyone personally who rejected a distro because "it's systemd based"
2022-12-17 01:42:08	post-factum	novns: yes, but not necessarily
2022-12-17 01:42:21	MacGyver	kode54: I have, but who cares.
2022-12-17 01:42:27	kode54	pity
2022-12-17 01:42:31	MacGyver	Isn't that the point of distributions.
2022-12-17 01:42:34	kode54	yes
2022-12-17 01:42:37	kode54	pick one
2022-12-17 01:42:40	kode54	pick one that you like
2022-12-17 01:43:02	kode54	I don't recommend distributions to people because they're right for me but not necessarily right for other people
2022-12-17 01:43:14	MacGyver	What I'm mostly afraid of is that this idea gains traction and then we're gonna get a Debian-style abstraction layer init system.
2022-12-17 01:43:23	kode54	oh gross
2022-12-17 01:43:26	MacGyver	Fortunately based on the initial response, my fear seems unfounded.
2022-12-17 01:43:32	kode54	good
2022-12-17 01:43:35	Namarrgon	aephos: how long ago was the last -Syu?
2022-12-17 01:43:54	novns	kode54, systemd cannot be replaced unless an alternative offers the same DBUS API
2022-12-17 01:43:58	kode54	exactly
2022-12-17 01:44:14	novns	because we use it in our code
2022-12-17 01:44:28	kode54	and what MacGyver mentioned above was a fear that someone may try to propose writing an abstraction layer so that "any" init system can just be dropped in
2022-12-17 01:44:46	kode54	then somehow jank patching literally everything to use it
2022-12-17 01:44:46	susi	I almost rejected a distro based on systemd init, but then I realized I can do nothing about it, and just gave up and surrendered
2022-12-17 01:44:56	aephos	Namarrgon: A couple of days ago.
2022-12-17 01:45:06	kode54	I was never strongly in favor of any given init system
2022-12-17 01:45:11	Namarrgon	aephos: did you do anything to the pacman keyring?
2022-12-17 01:45:24	aephos	Namarrgon: Not until this happened. I tried "
2022-12-17 01:45:29	kode54	the only systemd jank I deal with occasionally is shutdown hangs, and those are usually some misbehaved process that just won't die
2022-12-17 01:45:32	MacGyver	kode54: Neither was I, then I was exposed to a better one.
2022-12-17 01:45:40	MacGyver	kode54: So now I'm strongly in favour of systemd :P
2022-12-17 01:45:44	Namarrgon	aephos: do you get the error for a specific maintainer or for every package?
2022-12-17 01:45:52	kode54	yp, I like writing services for systemd when I need to
2022-12-17 01:45:53	aephos	Namarrgon: "sudo pacman-key --init" and "sudo pacman-key --refresh-keys" The first failed (it was suggested by pacman itself in an error message0.
2022-12-17 01:46:04	aephos	Namarrgon: Looks like every package and every maintainer.
2022-12-17 01:46:09	kode54	better than I like writing init/shutdown scripts
2022-12-17 01:46:10	Namarrgon	aephos: did you remove the gnupg directory before you ran these?
2022-12-17 01:46:23	aephos	Namarrgon: Not intentionally.
2022-12-17 01:46:32	Namarrgon	unintentionally?
2022-12-17 01:46:36	kode54	in both cases, I do it so infrequently I have to consult a guide anyway
2022-12-17 01:46:44	aephos	Namarrgon: I have a ~/.gnupg directory.
2022-12-17 01:47:01	Namarrgon	aephos: pacman's keyring is in /etc/pacman.d/gnupg
2022-12-17 01:47:01	kode54	but at least it's not having to consult a guide on how to write if/elif/etc blocks for bash
2022-12-17 01:47:11	kode54	that's how infrequently I write shell scripts
2022-12-17 01:47:24	kode54	think I'd get it memorized by now
2022-12-17 01:47:27	aephos	Namarrgon: It's there and looks like it has keys in it.
2022-12-17 01:47:42	kode54	anyway, good luck with your current issues
2022-12-17 01:47:46	Namarrgon	aephos: can you post the full -Syu --debug output to a paste service?
2022-12-17 01:48:46	aephos	Oh, there appears to be a keyring problems? in the topic.
2022-12-17 01:48:52	aephos	I'll try that first, and then paste if that fails.
2022-12-17 01:50:18	MacGyver	aephos: That's for a slightly different keyring problem than the one you literally described.
2022-12-17 01:50:32	aephos	!paste
2022-12-17 01:50:33	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-12-17 01:50:48	MacGyver	aephos: I wouldn't expect the one the topic is supposed to fix give you an unknow trust on more than just one or two packages.
2022-12-17 01:50:51	MacGyver	unknown*
2022-12-17 01:51:21	MacGyver	aephos: Rather than *every* signature.
2022-12-17 01:53:10	aephos	The --debug output is too big for most of those services... I'll try ix with a pipe?
2022-12-17 01:53:12	aephos	!ix
2022-12-17 01:53:12	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-12-17 01:53:57	dok	Foxboron: https://gitlab.com/kicad/code/kicad/-/blob/master/pcbnew/CMakeLists.txt#L838
2022-12-17 01:53:59	phrik	Title: pcbnew/CMakeLists.txt · master · KiCad / KiCad Source Code / kicad · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2022-12-17 01:54:28	Namarrgon	aephos: post just -Syu first then
2022-12-17 01:55:33	aephos	That's what I was trying to post. ix.io said it was malformed and the others said it was too big. Trying the pipe method to ix now.
2022-12-17 01:55:34	MacGyver	aephos: (That being said, the command in the topic also can't *hurt*, so you can run it regardless)
2022-12-17 01:55:44	MacGyver	aephos: (But don't expect it to solve your issue)
2022-12-17 01:55:58	Foxboron	dok: interesting, so they are the same file
2022-12-17 01:56:15	aephos	MacGyver: I tried, the command failed because it couldn't verify the signature on the archlinux-keyring package.
2022-12-17 01:56:31	Foxboron	dok: do you use kicad, are you comfortable with it?
2022-12-17 01:56:41	dok	obviously sha1sum gives different results: one _is_ stripped
2022-12-17 01:56:49	Foxboron	dok: I have the unstripped binaries locally
2022-12-17 01:57:01	dok	I've used kicad few times
2022-12-17 01:57:07	aephos	Since pacman is expecting input, will the pipe method work?
2022-12-17 01:57:16	Namarrgon	!pastepacman
2022-12-17 01:57:17	phrik	LC_ALL=C pacman --debug <your pacman options> |& tee >(curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io)
2022-12-17 01:57:18	Foxboron	dok: https://paste.xinu.at/KvfRRGv8RSM1P8JbPyNc/
2022-12-17 01:57:22	phrik	Title: stdin (at paste.xinu.at)
2022-12-17 01:57:24	Foxboron	dok: I wonder what happens if you delete one of them
2022-12-17 01:57:25	Namarrgon	just drop --debg from it
2022-12-17 01:57:47	dok	Foxboron: I have no idea
2022-12-17 01:59:08	aephos	Got it: http://ix.io/4iNJ
2022-12-17 02:01:02	dok	Foxboron: /usr/bin/_pcbnew.kiface is required (if renamed kicad will launch but not the pcb editor)
2022-12-17 02:01:20	dok	but /usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/_pcbnew.so seems less required
2022-12-17 02:01:28	Foxboron	why is it installed
2022-12-17 02:02:24	dok	seems to be a deps of pcbnew_python_module target
2022-12-17 02:03:04	Namarrgon	aephos: did the system crash recently or did you kill it?
2022-12-17 02:03:39	Foxboron	dok: this seems deprecated?
2022-12-17 02:03:40	aephos	Namarrgon: No. There was a time when a process took over my X and I sshed in to reboot which seemed to go normally.
2022-12-17 02:04:02	Namarrgon	did this happen between the last -Syu and now?
2022-12-17 02:04:30	aephos	Namarrgon: Possibly. 50/50
2022-12-17 02:04:36	aephos	Both were within the last week.
2022-12-17 02:04:44	dok	Foxboron: I don't know, but it is part of the "ALL" target
2022-12-17 02:05:13	aephos	My current uptime is 30 minutes because I tried rebooting to solve this problem too.
2022-12-17 02:05:47	Foxboron	dok: I'll just hand it to the kicad maintainers and let them figur eit out
2022-12-17 02:06:01	dok	yeah okay
2022-12-17 02:08:54	aephos	Is there a way for me to get all the keys refreshed? pacman-key --refresh-keys reports not changed for each key.
2022-12-17 02:14:20	dubiago	aephos: pacman -S archlinux-keyring
2022-12-17 02:18:40	aephos	dubiago: 
2022-12-17 02:18:42	aephos	error: archlinux-keyring: signature from "Christian Hesse <eworm@archlinux.org>" is unknown trust
2022-12-17 02:18:43	aephos	:: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/archlinux-keyring-20221213-1-any.pkg.tar.zst is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)).
2022-12-17 02:21:46	dubiago	Possible other avenue: https://dwarf.ly/TMie75
2022-12-17 02:21:50	phrik	Title: pacman - Cannot update Manjaro Linux: Unknown trust with Archlinux-keyring - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at dwarf.ly)
2022-12-17 02:31:23	aephos	!paste
2022-12-17 02:31:24	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-12-17 02:31:51	aephos	dubiago: I tried that, and ran into this (https://paste.rs/3vw). Seems odd that just after I import the keys they are untrusted.
2022-12-17 02:32:46	Betal	Iam trying to rollback 1 day using ALA, but I get a error about db package 'db: /usr/lib/libdb-5.3.so exists in filesystem (owned by db5.3)', can I safely remove it, given it is from core?
2022-12-17 02:34:23	aephos	Fixed it! The key was 'sudo pacman-key --populate archlinux' which updated the trust database.
2022-12-17 02:34:42	dubiago	👍🏻
2022-12-17 06:34:20	mpan	thumbs: a note regarding donating your time on #libera: see JamesPrada’s activity in this channel in the past. :)
2022-12-17 09:28:53	ville	howdy. after recent pacman -Syu i've noticed starting up emacs gives out multiple of error messages similar to: "Xlib: sequence lost (0x10000 > 0x451) in reply type 0x1c!". anyone else notice this or can confirm? you'll have to launch it from the terminal to see them
2022-12-17 10:16:00	bob_x1	hello. I downloaded installation iso. and following the installation guide. i mounted and formatted root and boot partitions and started to install base and other initial packages from the guide. but it fails to download iptables. is this something wrong on arch servers (probably not) or it's only my specific problem and i shouold debug it on my own ?
2022-12-17 10:17:10	darkstardevx	Is is just failing to dl iptables only or everything?
2022-12-17 10:18:52	mpan	bob_x1: possibly a poorly chosen mirror? What mirror are you using?
2022-12-17 10:19:26	mpan	bob_x1: also, what is the error, *EXACTLY*?
2022-12-17 10:44:18	Furai	Hey, I have both linux-lts and linux kernels installed. Can I easily switch between them? Somehow change the default? Probably something easy I'm missing.
2022-12-17 10:45:24	darkstardevx	Hey Furai, everything you need to know is here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/kernel. Good luck!
2022-12-17 10:46:15	rcf	Furai: it’s a matter of boot loader configuration, very straightforward to configure 
2022-12-17 10:47:01	Furai	Ok, thank you!
2022-12-17 10:47:09	ville	after recent pacman -Syu i've noticed starting up emacs gives out multiple of error messages similar to: "Xlib: sequence lost (0x10000 > 0x451) in reply type 0x1c!". anyone else notice this or can confirm? you'll have to launch it from the terminal to see them
2022-12-17 10:47:55	rcf	ville: does it still work, or does it crash 
2022-12-17 10:48:35	ville	still runs and haven't noticed any side effects for that matter
2022-12-17 10:49:05	ville	...other than the xlib messages
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2022-12-17 11:25:15	lolok	so i just learned that obsd can toggle SMT in a running system, and ive been looking for over an hour for some docs about this in linux, cant find anything...
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2022-12-17 11:59:10	gnaggnoyil	Hello is anyone using arch on GPD Pocket 3 here?
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2022-12-17 11:59:19	gnaggnoyil	The wiki says its automatic screen rotation can be done with "2in1screen" at github.
2022-12-17 11:59:25	gnaggnoyil	However I followed the instruction and compiled the code and ran the executable, only to find it not functioning. Is there anyone tried to make auto rotation work?
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2022-12-17 13:13:22	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1457 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1457 normals)
2022-12-17 13:13:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-17 13:19:50	mpan	But GRUB is not the only bootloader you may chose to use. And putting all information someone may find needed during installation would inflate it dozenfold.
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2022-12-17 13:20:12	mpan	alad has spoken.
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2022-12-17 13:20:44	rcf	mpan elaborates on why alad has spoken. 
2022-12-17 13:21:23	rcf	And then I add that indeed, not everyone uses GRUB, I don't 
2022-12-17 13:21:55	mpan	I am not. No one know why alad speaks. It just happens.
2022-12-17 13:22:46	⚡ 	PomyloneKodowani holds the giggles as sincerely as he can
2022-12-17 13:23:46	PomyloneKodowani	Arch indeed is not "for everyone" as stated by mission statement
2022-12-17 13:24:59	PomyloneKodowani	"if you want to tinker you have to be ready to tinker" - PomyloneKodowanie
2022-12-17 13:25:03	mpan	As a person, who installed Arch while in hospital bed during dialysis (couldn’t move), I also dismiss claims of wiki inadequacy! I use SGH-E250 as my phone, if someone wants to comment on their smartphone not being ok.
2022-12-17 13:25:07	mpan	;)
2022-12-17 13:26:07	PomyloneKodowani	I am glad to sense that you're better now 
2022-12-17 13:26:15	mpan	Speaking seriously: while I see your problem, your particular scenario is one of maaaaany that could happen and a single page can’t hold even a fraction of them.
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2022-12-17 13:27:06	mpan	You would end up with something that reselmbles LFS’s manual.
2022-12-17 13:27:16	mpan	*printed LFS’s manual
2022-12-17 13:28:34	⚡ 	PomyloneKodowani has a feeling it would give him headache 
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2022-12-17 13:29:54	rcf	The best solution ends up being browsing extensively beforehand, and saving the relevant pages for everything you intend to use
2022-12-17 13:30:05	rcf	Make your own personal installation guide 
2022-12-17 13:30:06	PomyloneKodowani	linux from scrach or live for speed?
2022-12-17 13:31:00	mpan	The former.
2022-12-17 13:31:53	PomyloneKodowani	rfc: yeah but i have nostalgia of being stuck with a computer that had no games or os and finding a printed mandriva guide and so my adventaure began many moons ago 
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2022-12-17 13:33:38	rcf	Mandriva? BACK IN MY DAY LINUX MANDRAKE WAS ALL WE HAD 
2022-12-17 13:33:41	rcf	But yes 
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2022-12-17 13:35:44	PomyloneKodowani	rfc: ^_^)
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2022-12-17 13:36:26	PomyloneKodowani	Mandrake? we remember Odra around here ;D
2022-12-17 13:36:52	PomyloneKodowani	with the punch-hole cards 
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2022-12-17 13:38:29	rcf	Also 
2022-12-17 13:38:31	rcf	>rfc
2022-12-17 13:38:47	⚡ 	rcf is not an IETF product.
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2022-12-17 13:39:32	mpan	!check if IETF made rcf
2022-12-17 13:39:33	phrik	Testing if IETF made rcf: [FAIL]
2022-12-17 13:40:00	⚡ 	PomyloneKodowani is soowwy
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2022-12-17 13:40:41	⚡ 	PomyloneKodowani will reboot to check if his xen entry will fail 
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2022-12-17 14:02:45	rcf	sdisavona: I'd leave an AUR comment if it's a concern. 
2022-12-17 14:03:31	Scimmia	sdisavona: why would you contact anyone?
2022-12-17 14:03:34	rcf	TUs (or whatever they're called now) aren't responsible for the contents of the AUR. They'll delete things that blatantly violate the rules, but anyone can contribute. 
2022-12-17 14:03:48	sdisavona	Ah right, it's why simpler leaving a comment, I don't know why I didn't think of it immediately.
2022-12-17 14:04:10	sdisavona	I was overthinking for nothing, topic closed.
2022-12-17 14:04:15	rcf	And that's only if the explanation in the comments is insufficient or a cause for concern or whatever. 
2022-12-17 14:04:48	sdisavona	Also, it's only 20 commits, I can just read them.
2022-12-17 14:07:18	rcf	Using a fork to revive old software is fine. If the original starts back up, then you have a reason to contact someone. 
2022-12-17 14:07:43	sdisavona	Yeah, it all makes sense, I was overthinking.
2022-12-17 14:32:47	txtsd	I have an unbound + stubby DNS setup (DNS-over-TLS with DNSSEC) . How can I find out how one of domains I'm querying is getting a fraudulent IP from my ISP?
2022-12-17 14:38:04	txtsd	Using 1.1.1.1 etc without using my unbound + stubby setup gets me the correct IP, but it's only faulty through my setup. I'm not even sure where to begin debugging.
2022-12-17 14:44:03	rcf	txtsd: drill is useful 
2022-12-17 14:51:25	shantaram	fuck's sake
2022-12-17 14:51:29	shantaram	Xorg broke again, or something
2022-12-17 14:51:55	shantaram	or atleast i'm not able to launch any display managers, i did actually manage to get Xorg and openbox up 
2022-12-17 14:52:15	shantaram	brb trying something
2022-12-17 14:53:56	alad	pacman broke my xorg
2022-12-17 14:55:30	thrice	chompchomp
2022-12-17 15:07:49	txtsd	I've been using dig.
2022-12-17 15:09:08	txtsd	So I found out that it's actually the opposite. unbound + stubby is getting me the right ip, everything else is forged by my ISP.
2022-12-17 15:09:42	txtsd	However, when pulling up that domain in Firefox, I get served the blocked notice that my ISP has set up.
2022-12-17 15:10:09	BrainDamage	browsers tend to have their own dns resolver systems
2022-12-17 15:10:43	txtsd	I have Firefox setup to use my system dns.
2022-12-17 15:12:00	txtsd	My ISP has been sending RST packets to terminate tls connections so far, which I've been dropping with iptables. I suspect they must be doing more now.
2022-12-17 15:13:30	txtsd	Although in firefox, when I first connect with no cookies, it goes through the whole "Checking if the site connection is secure" page that cloudflare serves, and it serves the blocked page after that.
2022-12-17 15:15:25	txtsd	This only happens with the one domain I've been struggling with. It's a torrent site. Other more obvious blockable websites (adult websites etc.) load fine.
2022-12-17 15:20:40	txtsd	The RST packets is still happening for other blocked sites. They only load with my iptables rule loaded.
2022-12-17 15:21:23	txtsd	This particular torrent site though, even though it's sending the request to the correct host IP, its response is the forged one by my ISP.
2022-12-17 15:21:32	txtsd	I don't understand how they can MITM me on a TLS connection.
2022-12-17 15:29:46	txtsd	Okay I blocked the domain they're grabbing the blocked message from, and now when I load the domain in firefox, it says unable to connect to the other domain.
2022-12-17 15:31:35	technicus	Hey there, I have a question about hibernation configuration.   I have configured hibernation and have it working on a btrfs file system with a swap file.  What I am wondering is why when I hibernate the battery drains?  The computer is a Lenovo Thinkpad T470.  Any ideas?
2022-12-17 15:32:16	txtsd	Ugh, I'm just going to say it. It's iptorrents.com that's blocked. It loads the blocked message from https://www.airtel.in/dot. And now after blocking www.airtel.in at the DNS level, when connecting to iptorrents.com, it says Unable to connect to www.airtel.in
2022-12-17 15:32:19	phrik	Title: airtel: Prepaid | Postpaid | Broadband | 4G | DTH Services in India (at www.airtel.in)
2022-12-17 15:32:19	txtsd	See: https://0x0.st/onRv.png
2022-12-17 15:33:15	technicus	I think maybe it is hibernating and suspending, how do I configure it to only hibernate?
2022-12-17 15:40:24	bob_x1	im new to arch. but the error looks strange. there is a text: could not open file /mnt/var/cache/pacman/pkg/iptables-1:1.8.8-2-x86-64.pkg.tar.zst.part: invalid argument 
2022-12-17 15:40:32	bob_x1	it seems that archlinux follow the idea which i do like. setting up  minimal things and many things should be done by configuring system during installation process. but i stuck with this problem
2022-12-17 15:40:52	Namarrgon	did you install arch to ntfs or vfat?
2022-12-17 15:41:50	lairnc	I can't hibernate. I added `resume` hook to mkinitcpio.conf. Also, added the resume kernel parameters to /etc/default/grub: `GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="loglevel=3 quiet resume=UUID=d06e72db-c22f-4b7e-a2da-19f428d93c40 resume_offset=48795648"`. What am I missing?
2022-12-17 15:41:52	bob_x1	well it's ext4 mounted at /mnt
2022-12-17 15:42:14	bob_x1	Namarrgon: it's only initial installation
2022-12-17 15:42:57	Namarrgon	bob_x1: did you split out other parts of the filesystem tree into separate filesystems?
2022-12-17 15:43:15	bob_x1	Namarrgon: i just created two UEFI and root
2022-12-17 15:43:23	Namarrgon	two UEFI?
2022-12-17 15:43:31	bob_x1	mounted root as /mnt and uefi as /mnt/boot
2022-12-17 15:43:33	bob_x1	no only one uefy
2022-12-17 15:43:45	bob_x1	i just follow the installation guide
2022-12-17 15:43:51	Namarrgon	can you post the findmnt output to a paste service?
2022-12-17 15:44:10	Namarrgon	or lsblk -f
2022-12-17 15:44:42	bob_x1	min
2022-12-17 15:46:11	Namarrgon	lairnc: is the swap active when you suspend to disk?
2022-12-17 15:46:59	lairnc	any idea?
2022-12-17 15:47:15	bob_x1	Namarrgon: https://bpa.st/raw/IAH4U
2022-12-17 15:47:27	lairnc	Namarrgon, I activated once
2022-12-17 15:47:35	lairnc	when i configured it
2022-12-17 15:47:46	Namarrgon	bob_x1: "/mnt /dev/sda2  vfat"
2022-12-17 15:47:47	rcf	bob_x1: you mixed up the filesystems
2022-12-17 15:48:07	rcf	You put ext4 on your ESP and FAT on your / 
2022-12-17 15:48:09	bob_x1	yeah
2022-12-17 15:48:15	lairnc	ah, you mean if I can systemctl suspend??
2022-12-17 15:48:25	bob_x1	thanks Namarrgon and rcf 
2022-12-17 15:48:32	Namarrgon	lairnc: does "swapon -s" show it as active?
2022-12-17 15:49:09	lairnc	it says used=0
2022-12-17 15:49:18	Namarrgon	and the rest?
2022-12-17 15:49:44	lairnc	\/swapfile                               file		12582908	0		-2
2022-12-17 15:50:24	Namarrgon	how do you suspend the system and what happens on "reboot"?
2022-12-17 15:50:38	docdrow	My font obessing continues.......... 
2022-12-17 15:50:44	docdrow	check this one out :) https://www.monolisa.dev
2022-12-17 15:50:44	phrik	Title: MonoLisa - A font family designed for software developers. Font follows function. (at www.monolisa.dev)
2022-12-17 15:50:55	lairnc	on reboot?
2022-12-17 15:51:08	Namarrgon	or whatever happens instead of resume
2022-12-17 15:52:03	lairnc	suspend and reboot works just fine. It is hibernate that wont happen. It basically shuts down the computer, and when selecting os in grub it isnt able to resume
2022-12-17 15:52:27	Namarrgon	"isn't able to resume"?
2022-12-17 15:52:32	Namarrgon	do you get an error?
2022-12-17 15:52:45	lairnc	yes, it should restore what I was previously doing, but it does not
2022-12-17 15:52:56	lairnc	no error that I'm aware of
2022-12-17 15:52:59	Namarrgon	how do you tell the system to suspend to disk?
2022-12-17 15:53:07	lairnc	systemctl hibernate
2022-12-17 15:53:26	Namarrgon	did you rebuild the initramfs after adding the hook=
2022-12-17 15:53:38	lairnc	yes, I did mkinicpio -P
2022-12-17 15:53:50	Namarrgon	post /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2022-12-17 15:53:57	Scimmia	and did you regenerate your grub config?
2022-12-17 15:54:43	lairnc	Scimmia, no, how?
2022-12-17 15:54:54	Scimmia	the same way you did when you set it up initally
2022-12-17 15:55:07	lairnc	oh shit
2022-12-17 15:55:16	lairnc	i forgot, that's the issue. Ty
2022-12-17 15:56:53	lairnc	works!
2022-12-17 16:16:24	docdrow	anyone know how to list "opentype features" of a given font? (things you can toggle on/off such as ligs)
2022-12-17 16:19:00	rcf	docdrow: otfinfo
2022-12-17 16:22:03	docdrow	rcf: Thanks!
2022-12-17 16:54:44	jenia2	Hello. Is there a way to wake up from a suspend when someone wants to ssh into the computer?
2022-12-17 16:55:47	jenia2	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wake-on-LAN
2022-12-17 16:55:48	phrik	Title: Wake-on-LAN - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-17 17:01:14	rcf	jenia2: a router could be configured to send a WoL in response to an SSH attempt if you are suitably insane 
2022-12-17 17:01:27	docdrow	good grief.. the vim/neovim plugins in AUR is a rabbit hole!
2022-12-17 17:01:33	docdrow	so many choices
2022-12-17 17:01:47	rcf	docdrow: I just manage it at the user level
2022-12-17 17:02:02	jenia2	rcf: why suitably insane? haha
2022-12-17 17:02:30	jenia2	I want to be able to ssh into my computer from time to time
2022-12-17 17:02:36	jenia2	I can't simply leave it on forever...
2022-12-17 17:02:45	bcrumb	docdrow: just download them all and hope stuff works 🤝
2022-12-17 17:03:00	docdrow	thats what happened. I made the mistake of including the meta package vim-plugins in my script
2022-12-17 17:03:25	docdrow	which made my vim crazy :) So I started going through them tos ee whih modules I want individually... holy cra
2022-12-17 17:03:46	glitsj16	jenia2: maybe you could simulate an ACPI 'lid open' event? if you have enabled suspend on 'lid close' that migh just work
2022-12-17 17:04:15	jenia2	glitsj16: it's a desktop...
2022-12-17 17:04:25	jenia2	glitsj16: how would I simulate a lid open event?
2022-12-17 17:04:34	jenia2	through the router somehow?
2022-12-17 17:04:46	rcf	jenia2: wake on lan would be your ideal choice here
2022-12-17 17:05:18	glitsj16	jenia2: ah, desktop... have a look at the ACPI wiki page, there's more info on how to do that kind of stuff
2022-12-17 17:05:35	jenia2	ok. thanks both of ya!!
2022-12-17 17:05:42	Scimmia	glitsj16: while suspended?
2022-12-17 17:07:31	glitsj16	Scimmia: suspended yes. it's not powered-off. but that's a valid question. never actually tried to send something via ssh to a machine in sleep state
2022-12-17 17:08:47	rcf	While suspended the connection dies.
2022-12-17 17:09:06	glitsj16	makes sense
2022-12-17 17:10:30	docdrow	anyone know of an IDE/WM-agnostic "Event Manager" ? I'm thinking about writing one that listens to D-Bus events and based on user's regex, executes a script, etc when there's a match...   Makes it easy to do sound effects for stuff like closing your laptop lid, inserting a particular USB device, whatever... anything like that exist?
2022-12-17 17:10:52	docdrow	actually, it doesn't even need to be a GUI tool, could work on a console-only box
2022-12-17 17:12:12	docdrow	I know there's XDG sound spec and various things like LIBCANBERRA implement it -- but I've not seen anything that allows a user to "do something" based on any arbitrary D-Bus event?
2022-12-17 17:16:29	kidnextdoor	hey
2022-12-17 17:17:57	rcf	h4rd3n3d: if you want to reach it, yes. Unless you use WoL and firewall rules on a router, in which case trying toreach it can bring it back. 
2022-12-17 17:20:42	rcf	docdrow: not that I know of, that might be useful 
2022-12-17 17:20:51	kidnextdoor	thank you in advance for the questions im going to make and you guys will help
2022-12-17 17:21:47	rcf	Or will we?!
2022-12-17 17:22:16	bob_x1	what is the regular flow to install grub after archlinux installation ? do I need to run grub-mkconfig ? 
2022-12-17 17:22:20	bob_x1	and then grub-install 
2022-12-17 17:23:02	kidnextdoor	i install it after i use arch-chroot /mnt
2022-12-17 17:23:09	veikko	bob_x1, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB
2022-12-17 17:23:10	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-17 17:23:12	rcf	bob_x1: install, then configure 
2022-12-17 17:23:35	bob_x1	thank you i will try
2022-12-17 17:23:49	bob_x1	its very helpful community here
2022-12-17 17:23:56	dubiago	❤️
2022-12-17 18:04:34	jclsn	I have isues with Wacom tablet recognization. I have already read the Wiki and xetwacom list successfully detects them, but kcm-wacomtablet doesn't, which is a pity because it is quite nice for configuration
2022-12-17 18:36:50	jensen	yes, i updated yesterday night and this morning as well, before downgrading just zsh
2022-12-17 18:37:48	jensen	i can launch mpv 
2022-12-17 18:38:51	tralala	any ideas when linux 6.1 will hit the repos?
2022-12-17 18:39:11	thurstylark	!when
2022-12-17 18:39:12	phrik	When it's ready. ™
2022-12-17 18:39:56	Namarrgon	it's in [testing] since day one
2022-12-17 18:40:10	Namarrgon	jensen: can you post the kernel log?
2022-12-17 18:40:41	tralala	Namarrgon, where can I read more about testing and the release process?
2022-12-17 18:41:51	coruja	tralala: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Official_repositories#Testing_repositories
2022-12-17 18:41:52	phrik	Title: Official repositories - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-17 18:42:29	tralala	thank you coruja
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2022-12-17 20:56:52	glitsj16	GuiToris: if you could post your firejail profile somewhere and pass on the link i can take a look
2022-12-17 20:58:47	glitsj16	or join #firejail, someone might have a working profile already
2022-12-17 20:59:15	GuiToris	glitsj16, https://bpa.st/raw/GDCMY
2022-12-17 20:59:18	GuiToris	it's very simple
2022-12-17 20:59:40	GuiToris	it works but I am missing the icon from the plasmabar
2022-12-17 20:59:48	GuiToris	nuisance
2022-12-17 21:00:10	glitsj16	yeah I understand. having a look...
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2022-12-17 21:02:29	glitsj16	what happens when you add `include whitelist-common.inc`?
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2022-12-17 21:04:31	GuiToris	I don't ask your question. Should I disable it, as it's present in the config file
2022-12-17 21:04:57	glitsj16	and maybe add `include whitelist-usr-share-common.inc` too. both grant access to icon directories
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2022-12-17 21:05:34	GuiToris	include whitelist-usr-share-common.inc doesn't solve the problem :(
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2022-12-17 21:06:19	GuiToris	where are the icon files in the home directory?
2022-12-17 21:06:33	GuiToris	I think I have to add it to the list and I am good to go
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2022-12-17 21:08:28	teraflops	GuiToris: https://github.com/netblue30/firejail/issues/1137
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2022-12-17 21:09:17	GuiToris	indeed
2022-12-17 21:09:19	glitsj16	~/.local/share/icons is one possibility. but you can check in the .desktop file that app provides, if it does
2022-12-17 21:09:20	GuiToris	thank you
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2022-12-17 21:09:57	GuiToris	it was private-tmp
2022-12-17 21:11:05	GuiToris	thank you very much
2022-12-17 21:11:06	glitsj16	one less thing :)
2022-12-17 21:11:08	teraflops	np
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2022-12-17 21:23:38	xx	when I run `sudo update-pciids` I get "update-pciids: cannot find curl, wget or lynx" but I have both curl and wget installed
2022-12-17 21:23:38	◣	Warepire (~warepire@user/Warepire) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2022-12-17 21:23:43	xx	any idea what's up with that?
2022-12-17 21:24:16	MrElendig	sudo printenv
2022-12-17 21:24:22	xx	nevermind, found the issue
2022-12-17 21:24:30	xx	`elif which wget >/dev/null 2>&1 ; then` in the sourcecode
2022-12-17 21:24:30	docdrow	mingdao: think of the hex format as three sets of "intensity" for red, green, & blue.  So, a low-intensitiy blue would be #000022  but a high-intensity blue would be #000cc ... so, simple (medium) red would be: #990000
2022-12-17 21:24:44	xx	`which` doesn't exist on arch by default and upstream should change it to `command -v`
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2022-12-17 21:25:11	MrElendig	that would depend on the shell you use
2022-12-17 21:25:29	xx	MrElendig: default shell
2022-12-17 21:25:37	mingdao	docdrow: That doesn't tell me what HEX is for magenta or magenta3.
2022-12-17 21:25:37	xx	which is bash on archlinux
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2022-12-17 21:27:00	docdrow	mingdao: you get the hang of it especially if you're a web developer. Magenta is a blend of red & blue, so.. #FF00FF
2022-12-17 21:27:03	xx	I think tpowa is the maintainer of pciutils in archlinux
2022-12-17 21:27:22	xx	is this something the archlinux maintainer should fix?
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2022-12-17 21:28:02	MrElendig	bug report it
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2022-12-17 21:28:21	thrice	yeah, maybe "which" becomes an opt-dep
2022-12-17 21:28:35	xx	I guess ideally upstream would fix this
2022-12-17 21:28:37	MrElendig	might have been in the base group in the past
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2022-12-17 21:28:54	xx	https://burnthewhich.github.io/
2022-12-17 21:28:55	phrik	Title: What’s wrong with whichcraft? | burnthewhich.github.io (at burnthewhich.github.io)
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2022-12-17 21:30:47	xx	"If Arch is not responsible for a bug, the problem will not be solved by reporting the bug to Arch developers." from https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bug_reporting_guidelines so I guess don't report it to archlinux?
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2022-12-17 21:30:48	phrik	Title: Bug reporting guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-12-17 21:47:29	teraflops	xx: it looks like a packaging issue, it should add which to the dependency array, isn't it?
2022-12-17 21:48:03	xx	teraflops: I'm not really knowledgeable in archlinux packaging
2022-12-17 21:48:15	mingdao	docdrow: I have to go out, but will check back later.
2022-12-17 21:48:19	xx	but I know `which` is supposed to not be used, I think even debian wanted to remove it
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2022-12-17 21:48:56	teraflops	-_-
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2022-12-17 21:53:45	demize	xx: What's funny about `GREP=zgrep`?
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2022-12-17 21:54:16	xx	demize: I said `GREP=grep`
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2022-12-17 21:54:44	demize	Same-same.
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2022-12-17 21:54:48	demize	What's fun about it?
2022-12-17 21:54:49	xx	usually people do stuff like `GREP=$(command -v grep)` and even that is kinda irrelevant because you can just use `grep`
2022-12-17 21:55:15	demize	Then I suggest you study the script closer, because they could not in fact just use `grep`.
2022-12-17 21:55:34	xx	demize: the script has all sorts of issues
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2022-12-17 22:04:46	docdrow	She: I added your Julia so you can see how it stacks up :)  https://lame.org/images/kitty-fonts.jpg
2022-12-17 22:05:04	docdrow	(you might have to shift-refresh)
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2022-12-17 22:05:29	mingdao	docdrow: Put Monaco in there; looks just awesome.  ;)
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2022-12-17 22:05:53	docdrow	mingdao: is it a monospace ?
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2022-12-17 22:11:53	birdspider	does anyone encounter focus loss (or repeatedly focus/unfocus) in swaywm (when full-screen , i.e. games) since a few days? I did try downgrading (recently updated) wayland-protocols, xorg-xwayland and amdvlk with no change. I'll probably try downgrading all packages since a few days ago, just wanted to ask here if someone knows anything like this.
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2022-12-17 22:15:32	docdrow	mingdao: ah, it appears monaco is monospace but it is not "spacing=100' which is required by kitty :(
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2022-12-17 23:06:00	WhyNotHugo	When I run `ls -l /dev/input/event6`, the mode for the file is `crw-rw----+`. What does the `+` mean?
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2022-12-17 23:13:37	Namarrgon	WhyNotHugo: it has extended attributes attached to it, usually ACL
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2022-12-17 23:14:04	Namarrgon	getfacl -t /dev/input/event6
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2022-12-17 23:16:04	hseg	Hi. Am considering cannibalizing my sister's hard drive (WD Elements 25A2.1019), smartctl suggests it doesn't support SMART?
2022-12-17 23:16:17	hseg	any way I can check the drive's health besides that?
2022-12-17 23:16:34	Namarrgon	how is it connected?
2022-12-17 23:16:40	hseg	atm usb
2022-12-17 23:17:03	MrElendig	extract it and hook it up over sata and see what it says?
2022-12-17 23:17:03	hseg	is that a problem?
2022-12-17 23:17:05	Namarrgon	the usb bridge probably breaks the ata bits smartctl relies on, connect it directory via sata/pata or whatever
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2022-12-17 23:18:42	hseg	ok, that'll be a little involved (need to repair my test box first), so I won't respond tonight
2022-12-17 23:18:45	hseg	thanks!
2022-12-17 23:19:14	hseg	(this probably also explains why the other drive I wanted to test also is reporting no smart support.
2022-12-17 23:19:42	hseg	though that one has no way of hooking it up to sata, so will just have to take it on trust ig?)
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2022-12-17 23:20:10	hseg	(the other one is a sandisk portable ssd)
2022-12-17 23:20:23	Namarrgon	if you want to get it into a known state then give it a good couple of hits with the hammer
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2022-12-17 23:20:39	hseg	rofl
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2022-12-17 23:22:10	hseg	checking, apparently external flash is considered commodity hardware and thus has no smart support
2022-12-17 23:22:11	MrElendig	just be careful so you don't end up wiht a nuclear explosion
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2022-12-17 23:22:32	hseg	guess that's just one more reason to back that drive up
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2022-12-17 23:23:26	MrElendig	hseg: https://youtu.be/WS75xQfYr40?t=27
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2022-12-17 23:25:15	hseg	:D
2022-12-17 23:25:31	hseg	will make sure not to do _that_
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2022-12-17 23:26:53	hseg	ok, thanks, goodnight!
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2022-12-17 23:28:14	WhyNotHugo	Namarrgon: THanks!
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2022-12-17 23:37:49	xx	can I somehow double-flag a package as out-of-date if it has last been flagged 7 months ago?
2022-12-17 23:38:33	MrElendig	no
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2022-12-17 23:38:53	xx	and opening a bug report about it is in poor taste, correct?
2022-12-17 23:39:05	NetSysFire	!outdated
2022-12-17 23:39:06	phrik	Outdated package? (1) Flag it as out of date and be patient. (2) If you can't wait, build it yourself. (3) If more than three weeks have passed and you want to help updating it, tell the maintainer if the new version works or not. Do not forget to be kind or your mail shall be cast into oblivion
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2022-12-17 23:40:24	xx	this has to be the first time I see debian have an up-to-date package version compared to archlinux
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2022-12-18 14:39:38	ℹ 	pks_ es conocido ahora como pks
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2022-12-18 15:22:04	jelle	mamba: just makepkg -A :)
2022-12-18 15:33:49	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-18 15:35:21	thrice	"architectures"
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2022-12-18 15:40:41	ℹ 	zhang es conocido ahora como KeKou
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2022-12-18 15:52:47	mxz	!paste
2022-12-18 15:52:48	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-12-18 15:53:16	mxz	!rs
2022-12-18 15:53:16	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
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2022-12-18 16:00:47	mxz	hi, I've got an nvme: on that is a LUKS container with a block size of 4096 bytes. In there an ext4 filesystem with block size of 4096. However, the `nvme` tool reports that "lbads: 9" is "in use", so 512 byte blocks and not "lbads:12" -> 4096. 
2022-12-18 16:01:34	mxz	I was wondering if I _have_ to set the on the nvme controller as well as described here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Advanced_Format#Setting_native_sector_size  or if it's enough when set in the LUKS container and the ext4 file system
2022-12-18 16:01:35	phrik	Title: Advanced Format - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-18 16:01:46	mxz	outpute of relevant commands: https://paste.rs/kIt
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2022-12-18 16:41:01	jancoow	urhg, i broke my installatin
2022-12-18 16:41:05	jancoow	installation *
2022-12-18 16:41:20	jancoow	I needed mysql workbench, which needed  libssl.so.3
2022-12-18 16:41:25	jancoow	so i updated openssl
2022-12-18 16:41:36	jancoow	now I get errors "acman: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.1.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
2022-12-18 16:41:56	HuntsMan	jancoow: sounds like a partial update
2022-12-18 16:41:59	jancoow	how can i resolve this?
2022-12-18 16:42:07	jancoow	HuntsMan I did not, I just installed newest version of openssl
2022-12-18 16:42:43	HuntsMan	that is exactly a partial update
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2022-12-18 16:44:15	jancoow	is it
2022-12-18 16:44:39	jancoow	shouldn't depenencies complain ?
2022-12-18 16:44:53	Scimmia	You'll have to use an external pacman to fully update the system
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2022-12-18 16:45:13	docdrow	Hmm... Github allows pirated stuff??  https://github.com/koprab/monalisa-font
2022-12-18 16:45:26	Scimmia	and no, dependencies don't complain, this is somethig Arch doesn't plan for because it's explicitly not supported
2022-12-18 16:45:45	Scimmia	If you're using -Sy, you're doing things wrong
2022-12-18 16:46:15	jancoow	i can neither use sudo..
2022-12-18 16:46:28	Scimmia	as for the external pacman, either use pacman-static or pacman from the install ISO
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2022-12-18 16:47:01	jancoow	i dont have time for this ffs.. i need to prepare some things before i move 
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2022-12-18 16:48:29	Scimmia	extracting the old package to a temp dir and using LD_PRELOAD is also an option
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2022-12-18 16:53:37	jancoow	can you uplaod libcrypto.so.1.1 ?
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2022-12-18 16:58:32	docmax	short: how do i create a custom aur binary repo?
2022-12-18 16:59:28	docmax	long: i want my server to build aur packes from a given list into my new repo and my clients should uptade from this repo first.
2022-12-18 16:59:53	BrainDamage	aurutils would fit the bill
2022-12-18 17:00:01	docmax	BrainDamage, me?
2022-12-18 17:00:05	BrainDamage	yes
2022-12-18 17:01:52	docmax	well looks like what i want. now i have to figure out. thx!
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2022-12-18 17:12:56	jancoow	Scimmia okay I fixed it by creating a arch docker (from months back) copied the .so files 
2022-12-18 17:13:03	jancoow	at least I can use pacman now
2022-12-18 17:13:10	jancoow	how can I fix it correctly now?
2022-12-18 17:13:24	Scimmia	as I said, but updating the entire system
2022-12-18 17:13:34	Scimmia	In Arch, you either update everything or you update nothing
2022-12-18 17:14:08	jancoow	okay
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2022-12-18 17:34:29	SCHAPiE	The core/multilib repos have packages named openssl-1.1 and lib32-openssl-1.1
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2022-12-18 17:35:26	Scimmia	which aren't really relevant here
2022-12-18 17:35:38	SCHAPiE	Ah allright, I misunderstood
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2022-12-18 17:49:22	jancoow	Scimmia updating now 23gb
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2022-12-18 17:50:37	jancoow	hopefully it all fixes now and not making things worse due my manually copied files
2022-12-18 17:50:39	jancoow	riight?
2022-12-18 17:53:05	jancoow	great, it does
2022-12-18 17:53:28	jancoow	(y)
2022-12-18 17:57:36	jancoow	Scimmia so now its broken again
2022-12-18 17:57:50	jancoow	pacman: /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.3: version `OPENSSL_3.0.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libalpm.so.13)
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2022-12-18 17:58:40	Namarrgon	did you remove the libraries that you copied manually?
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2022-12-18 18:00:18	jancoow	no
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2022-12-18 18:00:41	Namarrgon	update the system, remove the hack
2022-12-18 18:01:02	jancoow	i was updating the systeml; but a package failed so pacman stopped
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2022-12-18 18:01:30	jancoow	error: could not extract /usr/share/licenses/qt6-base/LGPL-3.0-only.txt (Zstd decompression failed: Restored data doesn't match checksum)
2022-12-18 18:01:30	jancoow	error: problem occurred while upgrading qt6-base
2022-12-18 18:01:57	Namarrgon	are you out of diskspace?
2022-12-18 18:02:13	jancoow	oh yes <.<
2022-12-18 18:02:36	jancoow	but now i've a * installation again because it cant use libssl
2022-12-18 18:02:51	Namarrgon	is the diskspace-check in pacman.conf disabled?
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2022-12-18 18:03:24	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-12-18 18:03:11	jancoow	no
2022-12-18 18:03:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-18 18:07:15	jancoow	anyway
2022-12-18 18:07:30	jancoow	the diskspace is fixed
2022-12-18 18:07:34	jancoow	but ye cant run pacman now again..
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2022-12-18 18:11:11	jancoow	i could better not have updated it like this
2022-12-18 18:11:26	jancoow	now it seems half system want to use .3 and other half not
2022-12-18 18:11:29	jancoow	or something like that
2022-12-18 18:11:58	Namarrgon	welcome to partial-update hell
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2022-12-18 18:12:43	Namarrgon	boot the iso or use the static pacman binary
2022-12-18 18:13:29	Namarrgon	https://pkgbuild.com/~morganamilo/pacman-static/x86_64/bin/
2022-12-18 18:13:30	phrik	Title: Index of /~morganamilo/pacman-static/x86_64/bin/ (at pkgbuild.com)
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2022-12-18 18:53:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-18 18:53:01	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1474 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1474 normals)
2022-12-18 18:53:03	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-18 18:57:50	Edu4rdSHL	"installed openssl done"
2022-12-18 18:57:58	Edu4rdSHL	You can't remove openssl easily
2022-12-18 18:58:02	Edu4rdSHL	I doubt that you installed it
2022-12-18 18:58:20	Edu4rdSHL	Unless you have installed the 1.x package and keep your system broken
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2022-12-18 19:52:18	ca1f	hi, I'm using mkinitcpio-dropbear to unlock a luks volume via ssh in the initramfs phase at boot. After successfully unlocking the LUKS volume the system boots normally and I can ssh just fine. I notice though that the dropbear process stays alive. Shouldn't it be killed after the dropbear hook is done?
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2022-12-18 20:33:22	solsTiCe	DigitalKiwi: yes, pc boots after 3 failed attempts to type ATA password. But displays a message "Incorrect password type a key to try again" with a 3 seconds countdown. I did not see the countdown this morning. never mind
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2022-12-18 20:44:52	SysGhost	ca1f: as long as there's child processes running it'll stay around. Check your process tree and see why
2022-12-18 20:46:10	ℹ 	kill es conocido ahora como killown
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2022-12-18 20:50:31	docmax	is it possible to audit packages/files in that way, that i can discover unused packages?
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2022-12-18 20:51:24	MrElendig	tl;dr no
2022-12-18 20:52:01	MrElendig	not after the fact anyway, you would have to put in place instrumentation beforehand
2022-12-18 20:52:34	docmax	yes, like a access database, is there something in linux?
2022-12-18 20:53:15	MrElendig	you can track all file accesses trough the audit system (comes witha  cost)
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2022-12-18 20:54:04	docmax	yes, then we need some new software which "calulates" the probability of a packages being used or not
2022-12-18 20:54:35	docmax	like a spam score system
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2022-12-18 20:55:00	docmax	because i feel my system is bloaded (root issue)
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2022-12-18 20:55:27	bcrumb	docmax: jsyk this would encourage bad behaviour because planning your system out in forward is what a sysadmin should be doing instead of retroactively scouring for packages
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2022-12-18 20:56:59	Scimmia	docmax: pacman -Qe, look through the list and see what you use
2022-12-18 20:57:16	bcrumb	docmax: what you would want to do is first record your own command usage and give it +1 points or something each time it is used, then you would look @ which package it belongs to and then check the dependencies of that package
2022-12-18 20:57:40	docmax	bcrumb, lol how can i plan things in IT to come?
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2022-12-18 20:59:05	docmax	bcrumb, yes, i an aware of "manual" approaches. i'm speaking of an automatic way
2022-12-18 20:59:25	linux_dream	hey people i have a problem with a game on Steam, it won't start anymore...
2022-12-18 20:59:46	docmax	linux_dream, what game?
2022-12-18 21:00:10	linux_dream	war selection docmax
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2022-12-18 21:01:52	docdrow	---> dwarffortress :)
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2022-12-18 21:04:02	docmax	yes, that i would also recomment dwarf
2022-12-18 21:04:10	docmax	forget about war selection
2022-12-18 21:04:39	docmax	dwarf has groundbraking graphics
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2022-12-18 21:06:41	Namarrgon	linux_dream: what error do you get?
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2022-12-18 21:10:03	bcrumb	docmax: so, as an example, what i meant, you have a daemon that is watching processes to see what commands are called, i don't know whether sed etc. spawns processes with the same name, but in any case you watch what is going on. The process can then call something like : pacman -F $(which pacstrap) | awk '{print $5}' | sed 's/extra\///' | xargs pacman -Qi | grep "Depends On"
2022-12-18 21:10:10	bcrumb	(for pacstrap) as an example
2022-12-18 21:10:12	linux_dream	Namarrgon this is what I get: https://bpa.st/HGE5G
2022-12-18 21:10:14	phrik	Title: View paste HGE5G (at bpa.st)
2022-12-18 21:10:25	bcrumb	this will directly list dependencies, meaning you can note down both them and the command called
2022-12-18 21:10:57	linux_dream	Namarrgon it had happened once in the past, in that case I could fix the problem by asking the game to be compatibile with some version of proton (whjatever it is). I tried many versions of it, without any success this time, and I reinstalled the game. same problem
2022-12-18 21:11:17	bcrumb	docmax: you can then rank them according to number of times used, and see which packages are getting used the least, noting that this does not account for stuff that that is not used at system bootup, meaning that you should really preferably since very boot scan everything and rank your stuff
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2022-12-18 21:12:11	bcrumb	but that in turn is probably a problem because of the fact that i am not even sure does pacman work in something like initrd (which has to be scanned probably, because packages depend on it) etc. etc. etc. so lots of edge cases
2022-12-18 21:13:19	docmax	bcrumb, ok thanks for giving me a starting point
2022-12-18 21:13:58	bcrumb	👍
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2022-12-18 21:18:04	linux_dream	just tried again the launch the game, I also get new error lines
2022-12-18 21:18:10	linux_dream	like the game engine doesn't respond
2022-12-18 21:18:40	Namarrgon	protondb says it's a native game
2022-12-18 21:19:15	linux_dream	https://bpa.st/DG7EU
2022-12-18 21:19:16	phrik	Title: View paste DG7EU (at bpa.st)
2022-12-18 21:19:20	linux_dream	what do you mean?
2022-12-18 21:19:30	linux_dream	I play war selection once per day since months...
2022-12-18 21:19:45	linux_dream	had a simlilar problem once, which was solved easily
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2022-12-19 11:56:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-19 11:56:06	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1449 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1449 normals)
2022-12-18 23:06:18	digital_mystik	howdy.. is anyone familiar with Clear Linux's kernel? I have an intel laptop [12th Gen Intel i7-1260P (16) @ 4.700GHz] and have been building TKG kernels lately, linux-ck before then.. is linux-clear the "best" kernel for intel optimization? TKG has a few clear patches implemented, but I don't know enough about it versus the Clear kernel in the AUR.. TKG is nice to be able to apply one's own
2022-12-18 23:06:18	digital_mystik	patches and change the scheduler..
2022-12-18 23:06:18	digital_mystik	probably doesn't make a huge difference anyway but I like to think building for my subarch makes somewhat of a difference hehe
2022-12-18 23:08:20	docdrow	archlinux > clear linux
2022-12-18 23:09:27	NetSysFire	this kernel has some good speedups for intel cpus though
2022-12-18 23:09:39	digital_mystik	from a kernel standpoint for intel machines? wondering if arch with the clear kernel is better for strictly intel machines
2022-12-18 23:10:07	digital_mystik	yeah that's what I was kind of wondering, since I know the official kernels have even support
2022-12-18 23:10:26	docdrow	Phoronix had a nice article about clear linux, and tons of benchmarks
2022-12-18 23:10:34	Warepire	Last I looked the patches on the clear linux kernel really seem to be "change values randomly" with no explanation.
2022-12-18 23:10:42	docdrow	but the numbers I saw aren't large enough for the average user to notice
2022-12-18 23:13:19	heaven	Hy guys! how do you find your device id of the microphone you are using on arch ? 
2022-12-18 23:13:42	heaven	I'm trying to make a python script using speech.recognition module and it requires microphone device id
2022-12-18 23:14:02	Namarrgon	the usb vid/pid?
2022-12-18 23:16:23	heaven	i "think" it's audio device id in list of availble device on system
2022-12-18 23:16:47	Namarrgon	which documentation are you following?
2022-12-18 23:17:54	topcat001	I was running clear linux at work for large scale stochastic differential equation solving; very heavy numerical C++ code.
2022-12-18 23:18:20	heaven	Microphone(device_index: Union[int, None] = None, sample_rate: int = 16000, chunk_size: int = 1024) -> Microphone
2022-12-18 23:18:35	heaven	"device_index" thats the info i  need
2022-12-18 23:18:46	topcat001	This was on a 10th gen Intel desktop. I recently migrated that to Arch because CL annoyed the hell out of me :)
2022-12-18 23:18:47	Namarrgon	is that from the pyaudio docs?
2022-12-18 23:18:59	heaven	https://github.com/Uberi/speech_recognition
2022-12-18 23:19:07	Namarrgon	it should accept 'None' to fall back to a default device
2022-12-18 23:19:14	heaven	AH!
2022-12-18 23:19:30	topcat001	I don't see a significant slowdown. If there is a small penalty it's well worth it for using Arch.
2022-12-18 23:19:49	Namarrgon	it defaults to None already, so you could just not specify it
2022-12-18 23:20:09	Namarrgon	whether it defaults to something sane is a different question...
2022-12-18 23:20:12	topcat001	By desktop I mean a Dell PowerEdge with many cores and tons of RAM ;)
2022-12-18 23:22:04	topcat001	I did notice that CL defaults the CPU governor to performance (instead of powersave).
2022-12-18 23:22:27	Tom^	which is where most of the gains comes from
2022-12-18 23:22:38	topcat001	my thoughts exactly
2022-12-18 23:23:07	topcat001	the way CL works frustrated me greatly haha
2022-12-18 23:23:47	topcat001	however, Intel is very responsive and I helped fixed a few issues; it was a very positive experience
2022-12-18 23:24:32	topcat001	so not all bad, but the package manager is so primitive compared to pacman
2022-12-18 23:30:50	digital_mystik	so I theoretically should be getting some benefit to using CL patches.. guess I'll just run it for a bit and see
2022-12-19 00:42:06	yitz	My / root partition might be too small :(
2022-12-19 00:42:20	susi	how so?
2022-12-19 00:42:24	⚡ 	yitz runs   `df -h /`  prior to installing new software
2022-12-19 00:42:35	susi	mine is 5.9 G
2022-12-19 00:42:57	yitz	14/16GB filled (96%)
2022-12-19 00:43:49	yitz	paccache -r -k2 ==> woot! Got back 1GB
2022-12-19 00:44:02	susi	what on earth you got there
2022-12-19 00:44:10	yitz	cached packages?
2022-12-19 00:44:20	susi	yes but the rest ~10G 
2022-12-19 00:44:35	susi	if I had a 16G /, I'd be set for the rest of my life
2022-12-19 00:45:30	yitz	Lots of various packages, I assume. It should mostly be package stuff and ... not much else. Maybe journalctl logs?
2022-12-19 00:45:35	Scimmia	start installing things like cuda, and it's gone quickly
2022-12-19 00:45:54	Scimmia	there's a lot of different use-cases
2022-12-19 00:45:59	yitz	Archived and active journals take up 1.5G in the file system.
2022-12-19 00:47:34	yitz	Maybe I should tidy up logs
2022-12-19 00:51:05	susi	maybe set some reasonable limits @ journald.conf
2022-12-19 00:55:36	Rocco_Sharp	o/
2022-12-19 00:55:50	yitz	Limit logging automatically? Meh
2022-12-19 00:57:02	Scimmia	it does that anyway. IIRC, it's 10% of the filesystem size
2022-12-19 00:57:16	Scimmia	by default
2022-12-19 00:57:35	susi	and even that's quite excessive for a regular user, imo
2022-12-19 00:57:58	susi	I have never need more than 100M of logs, and even that's more than I have ever needed to debug any issue
2022-12-19 00:58:00	Scimmia	especially those that don't separate out /home
2022-12-19 00:59:36	Scimmia	ah, 10% capped at 4GB, which is a crazy amount but not as bad as I thought it could be
2022-12-19 01:04:23	susi	right now my journals take 78.6 M, and it's more than 3 months worth of 24/7 journals from 8 boots
2022-12-19 01:05:56	susi	dunno if the latest is already written to disk, but that's what --disk-usage reports
2022-12-19 01:16:22	mingdao	paccache is a very nice tool
2022-12-19 01:28:27	hexadecagram	pacmerge also
2022-12-19 01:38:58	heaven	Taking a chance to ask here... anyone knows the thy of (post) red led BOOT & GPU stay on after booting and all time ?...
2022-12-19 01:39:10	heaven	the why of (post) ***
2022-12-19 01:54:48	hexadecagram	!paste
2022-12-19 01:54:49	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-12-19 02:00:19	hexadecagram	Can anyone help with this? https://bpa.st/HLSAC
2022-12-19 02:00:21	phrik	Title: View paste HLSAC (at bpa.st)
2022-12-19 02:04:44	Namarrgon	hexadecagram: what are you trying to do?
2022-12-19 02:04:58	hexadecagram	Namarrgon: sudo pacman -Su
2022-12-19 02:05:02	Namarrgon	is the [multilib] repo enabled?
2022-12-19 02:05:21	hexadecagram	Namarrgon: Yes.
2022-12-19 02:05:34	Namarrgon	pacman -Si db lib32-db
2022-12-19 02:07:11	hexadecagram	https://bpa.st/MCZLQ
2022-12-19 02:07:11	phrik	Title: View paste MCZLQ (at bpa.st)
2022-12-19 02:08:00	Namarrgon	looks like a packaging bug
2022-12-19 02:08:20	hexadecagram	I'll take it to the BBS then.
2022-12-19 02:08:30	hexadecagram	Thanks
2022-12-19 02:08:34	Namarrgon	db was bumped to v6 and db5.3 introduced but they forgot about multilib
2022-12-19 02:08:47	Namarrgon	see if someone has filed a bugreport
2022-12-19 02:08:56	hexadecagram	Rather, yes, I was about to say that.
2022-12-19 02:09:52	hexadecagram	It WOULD be db. Searching is going to be tricky.
2022-12-19 02:10:47	Namarrgon	i don't see any against db or lib32-db
2022-12-19 02:11:18	hexadecagram	I'm searching for all tickets including closed for '[db]' and I see a few but do not seem relevant.
2022-12-19 02:11:57	hexadecagram	'[lib32-db]' has nothing.
2022-12-19 02:12:14	Namarrgon	https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/arch-dev-public@lists.archlinux.org/thread/2ZBKMGFFDTCVMGCPF4JM6KD5RHS6N54D/
2022-12-19 02:12:15	phrik	Title: db6 license concerns - Arch-dev-public - lists.archlinux.org (at lists.archlinux.org)
2022-12-19 02:12:31	Namarrgon	the same needs to happen for [multilib]
2022-12-19 02:13:49	Namarrgon	or just drop it, nothing in the repos seems to depend on it
2022-12-19 02:16:51	hexadecagram	I'm actually not using lib32-db but I am going to go ahead and submit a ticket.
2022-12-19 02:16:55	hendry	How do I prevent my machine from going to sleep? IdleAction=ignore ? I have a dwm/suckless type system
2022-12-19 02:20:51	Namarrgon	hendry: is this a laptop?
2022-12-19 02:22:46	Namarrgon	IdleAction=Ignore is the default
2022-12-19 02:31:15	ville	howdy. anyone else started receiving errors similar to: Xlib: sequence lost (0x10000 > 0x43e) in reply type 0x1c! after a recent arch update whilst running emacs?
2022-12-19 02:52:00	hendry	Namarrgon: i wonder if I can ascertain by my logs why my machine goes to sleep!
2022-12-19 02:54:14	Namarrgon	did you set up some sort of PM tool?
2022-12-19 02:54:24	Namarrgon	is this a laptop?
2022-12-19 02:54:52	hendry	Namarrgon: it's a laptop, I don't think I setup a PM tool. I did use the new installer and I don't know what it did..
2022-12-19 02:56:33	Namarrgon	are you sure it doesn't suspend because you closed the lid?
2022-12-19 02:57:02	Nomenclatura	So, I like a clean screen on boot without messages. So far the only message showing is "Starting udev..." anybody knows how to disable that message?
2022-12-19 02:57:19	Namarrgon	you'd have to patch that out of udev
2022-12-19 02:57:25	Namarrgon	just close your eyes
2022-12-19 02:57:35	Nomenclatura	lol
2022-12-19 02:57:53	Nomenclatura	yeah I thought I had to do something like that.
2022-12-19 02:58:27	Namarrgon	setting console= to a different vt might also hide it on that vt instead, i don't remember who that's set up
2022-12-19 02:58:38	hendry	Namarrgon: I run it in clamshell mode. I have it attached to a USBC Dell. It's fine until I don't touch it for 10 minutes and then it enters some deep hibernation that I don't want it to do
2022-12-19 02:59:06	Namarrgon	so the switch is magnetic?
2022-12-19 03:35:05	sn00p	I am trying to use virtualbox in higher resolution, when I go to change the resolution in the settings in virtualbox they're all blacked out and I have guest additions installed also what am I doing wrong
2022-12-19 03:38:31	ville	sn00p: silly question perhaps, but which system has guest additions host or the guest?
2022-12-19 03:38:56	sn00p	the host system is arch and the virtual box system is windows 7
2022-12-19 03:39:11	Nomenclatura	Namarrgon: I'll try that
2022-12-19 06:22:59	ednash	What's a good software to turn my PC connected to TV with HDMI, into a remote control media server? Can it also respond to the TV remote like Chromecast?
2022-12-19 06:26:29	kucklehead	Why would someone enable noexec flag on /tmp? Is there any benefits of doing so?
2022-12-19 06:37:17	ishitatsuyuki	kucklehead: when you absolutely doesn't want a user to bring any programs other than those preinstalled on the system
2022-12-19 06:37:42	ishitatsuyuki	or like Android where you don't want any unsigned programs to run
2022-12-19 06:37:53	ishitatsuyuki	(the signed one goes to /data partition there)
2022-12-19 06:42:45	kucklehead	Neat. I was reading that it also prevents script attacks. Personally, I never heard of script attacks. I know what a script is, I just never took a minute and thinked if it could be used in that way  
2022-12-19 06:44:16	ishitatsuyuki	for script attacks, it doesn't really
2022-12-19 06:44:28	ishitatsuyuki	because you can still run shell scripts with `bash file.sh` even without exec perms
2022-12-19 06:48:16	kucklehead	That makes sense. Thanks for the info 
2022-12-19 07:11:08	aluo	test
2022-12-19 07:13:07	HumanLove	test
2022-12-19 07:30:36	Nomenclatura	test
2022-12-19 07:31:57	llua	test
2022-12-19 07:44:06	jmariondev	[ FAIL ]
2022-12-19 07:50:35	dmc	wait since when did right-clicking in N/Vim do anything
2022-12-19 07:50:53	dmc	accidentally did so and got a menu :O
2022-12-19 07:51:00	ishitatsuyuki	:o
2022-12-19 07:51:31	dmc	Paste, Select All, How-to disable mouse
2022-12-19 07:51:41	dmc	the future is now
2022-12-19 07:54:29	susi	hexadecagram: be careful with pacmerge, I just use vimdiff because one needs to go through the changes anyways
2022-12-19 09:15:49	lol	can anyone help me regarding this issue with micro editor ? - https://github.com/zyedidia/micro/discussions/2663
2022-12-19 09:38:30	Khorne	The micro devs?
2022-12-19 09:44:46	Ennea	rude. they're probably not smaller than most other devs
2022-12-19 09:46:43	hexadecagram	susi: That's why there's pacdiff-pacman-hook-git. ;-)
2022-12-19 09:56:31	bcrumb	how can I get wc -l for each subdir from pwd, is it impossible to use ls -lAR for this and should i rather be using find?
2022-12-19 10:02:34	bcrumb	ok, so i did
2022-12-19 10:02:38	bcrumb	for the total count at least
2022-12-19 10:03:38	bcrumb	ls -AR1 | grep -v $(basename $(pwd)) | tr '\n' ' ' | wc -w
2022-12-19 10:03:51	bcrumb	this really should give total file count
2022-12-19 10:04:09	bcrumb	if basename $(pwd) doesn't appear in any file
2022-12-19 10:08:35	bcrumb	aaaaa its not
2022-12-19 10:33:55	bcrumb	handled with ls -A1 **/* | grep -v : | tr '\n ' ' | wc -w
2022-12-19 10:36:11	mpan	bcrumb: what are you trying to do, exactly? The above solution is certainly invalid, except for a very specific, limited cases.
2022-12-19 10:36:34	mpan	Yes, I have seen the original question, but “get wc -l from each subdir” is meaningless.
2022-12-19 10:37:08	luigibu	morning! having problem with awsvpncli.. i got: Unable to load shared library 'SQLite.Interop.dll' or one of its dependencies any clue?
2022-12-19 10:37:31	bcrumb	mpan: the number of non directory files contained within pwd and subdirs (meaning, contained within pwd)
2022-12-19 10:39:16	mpan	bcrumb: `find` with the relevant switches, with the action of -print or -print0, followed by counting.
2022-12-19 10:39:42	bcrumb	mpan: kk, thx
2022-12-19 10:40:35	mpan	bcrumb: the problem with your invocation is using a glob pattern that can evaluate to possibly enormous number of entries, exceeding the maximum arguments count.
2022-12-19 11:35:43	et3rn1ty	There seem to be a bunch of errors at startup and some at shutdown regarding opening files under wlan0
2022-12-19 11:35:48	et3rn1ty	is this normal?
2022-12-19 11:36:31	BrainDamage	don't paraphrase errrors, copy them as-is, it takes less efforts and avoids misunderstandings
2022-12-19 11:36:36	BrainDamage	!paste
2022-12-19 11:36:36	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-12-19 11:36:53	BrainDamage	also, wlan0? are you actually using arch?
2022-12-19 11:37:07	et3rn1ty	i dont understand
2022-12-19 11:38:16	BrainDamage	nvm, just copy the journal's content, uname -a, and pacman -Qi linux to a pastebin and give the result here
2022-12-19 11:40:31	Foxboron	BrainDamage: iwd installs stuff that reverts the unique naming
2022-12-19 11:40:33	Foxboron	fwiw
2022-12-19 11:42:57	kidnextdoor	chmod 000 /yourself
2022-12-19 11:43:15	et3rn1ty	ive copied one of the errors into a 
2022-12-19 11:43:19	et3rn1ty	bpaste*
2022-12-19 11:43:30	et3rn1ty	should i post th link here or elsewhere?
2022-12-19 11:43:38	BrainDamage	not one, try to copy everything
2022-12-19 11:43:43	BrainDamage	and yes, link it here
2022-12-19 11:43:45	et3rn1ty	oh ok
2022-12-19 11:52:28	et3rn1ty	https://bpa.st/5EONO
2022-12-19 11:52:29	phrik	Title: View paste 5EONO (at bpa.st)
2022-12-19 11:53:22	BrainDamage	those aren't from sddm
2022-12-19 11:53:37	et3rn1ty	oh
2022-12-19 11:53:43	et3rn1ty	then what are they?
2022-12-19 11:54:11	BrainDamage	it calls itself "platform-linux", no idea what that is
2022-12-19 11:54:23	et3rn1ty	oh ok
2022-12-19 11:54:31	BrainDamage	this is also why you shouldn't editorialize your logs
2022-12-19 11:54:42	et3rn1ty	?
2022-12-19 11:54:49	BrainDamage	if you knew what's relevant or not, you wouldn't need to ask, don't cut out logs
2022-12-19 11:55:01	et3rn1ty	oh ok
2022-12-19 11:55:05	BrainDamage	upload the whole log if possible
2022-12-19 11:55:21	et3rn1ty	the whole journal?
2022-12-19 11:55:33	BrainDamage	for that specific boot
2022-12-19 11:55:47	et3rn1ty	ok i will try
2022-12-19 11:56:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-19 12:05:27	et3rn1ty	https://bpa.st/VYG46
2022-12-19 12:05:27	phrik	Title: View paste VYG46 (at bpa.st)
2022-12-19 12:05:27	et3rn1ty	that should be the whole boot
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2022-12-19 12:05:27	BrainDamage	use journalctl -b bootid > filename
2022-12-19 12:05:51	BrainDamage	that doesn't include shutdown information, so it's not a whole boot log
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2022-12-19 12:06:19	et3rn1ty	oh i thought boot meant startup only sorry
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2022-12-19 12:12:27	et3rn1ty	https://bpa.st/EI2PE6TCB6C37TCK7ZTIYP5B3Y
2022-12-19 12:12:29	phrik	Title: View paste EI2PE6TCB6C37TCK7ZTIYP5B3Y (at bpa.st)
2022-12-19 12:13:53	BrainDamage	in that log sddm shut down cleanly in less than second
2022-12-19 12:14:34	et3rn1ty	oh i mightve been a different place, i mightve just seen error and gotten sidetracked, sorry
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2022-12-19 12:15:22	BrainDamage	the whole shutdown in that log took less a second
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2022-12-19 12:15:35	BrainDamage	Dec 17 15:39:00 Compuwuter systemd[1]: Started shutdown now.
2022-12-19 12:15:36	BrainDamage	Dec 17 15:39:00 Compuwuter systemd[1]: Shutting down.
2022-12-19 12:15:53	et3rn1ty	oh ok
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2022-12-19 12:44:46	GreyXor	Hello, how can I know if a package actually has firmware that is useful for my computer? like `alsa-firmware`
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2022-12-19 12:45:57	kidnextdoor	do you have sound? if yes, you dont need it
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2022-12-19 12:47:02	GreyXor	kidnextdoor  you know I don't need mesa to have "graphic" but with mesa I can have hardware acceleration
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2022-12-19 12:47:59	GreyXor	and sometimes there are generic drivers, which can be replaced by specific and better drivers. that's what i'd like to know
2022-12-19 12:48:01	kidnextdoor	good point, im just sharing my general philosophy cause i dont know how to check if my hardware really needs a package
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2022-12-19 13:22:14	heaven	Hello! I have a large screen setup with multiple monitors and I would like to know if there is a software package that can adjust the brightness or gamma of my screens based on the time of day. I'm interested in this because I want to reduce eye strain when working at different times of the day. For example, I want to be able to adjust the brightness of my screens when I'm working in the middle
2022-12-19 13:22:14	heaven	of the night or during the sunset hours in the 
2022-12-19 13:22:16	heaven	afternoon.
2022-12-19 13:23:14	heaven	or if you guys have any tips on how to reduce general eye strain at pc on arch :) Appreciated
2022-12-19 13:23:29	heaven	im on KDE
2022-12-19 13:24:35	guesswhat	Guys, what is the largest range that can I use for myuser spawning containers in this range randomly for /etc/subgid,subuid ? Thanks https://systemd.io/UIDS-GIDS/ 
2022-12-19 13:24:37	phrik	Title: Users, Groups, UIDs and GIDs on systemd Systems (at systemd.io)
2022-12-19 13:25:16	Ennea	heaven, have you tried redshift? it doesn't adjust (only) the brightness of your screens, but rather its color temperature (and the brightness as a bit of a result of that). i find it very pleasing, though
2022-12-19 13:31:05	heaven	Ennea: Yes, but since i'm a graphic designer, i didnt find it fittting my needs because it's altering my colors too much, if that makes sens? (french here)
2022-12-19 13:32:00	heaven	Oh wait, i've misread
2022-12-19 13:32:08	heaven	I tought you've said NightColor
2022-12-19 13:32:14	heaven	Let me check redshift ! :D
2022-12-19 13:34:14	heaven	Ennea: I'm getting an error when starting redshift: 
2022-12-19 13:34:16	heaven	abouvier
2022-12-19 13:34:17	heaven	Abrax
2022-12-19 13:34:19	heaven	abs3
2022-12-19 13:34:20	heaven	achil
2022-12-19 13:34:22	heaven	Failed to run Redshift
2022-12-19 13:34:23	heaven	D
2022-12-19 13:34:25	heaven	Trying location provider geoclue2'...
2022-12-19 13:34:26	heaven	Waiting for initial location to become available...
2022-12-19 13:34:28	heaven	#archlinux-1,460 nicks (0 op
2022-12-19 13:34:29	heaven	Unable to obtain GeoClue client path: Timeout was reached.
2022-12-19 13:34:31	heaven	Unable to get location from provider.
2022-12-19 13:35:14	heaven	Oh wait, got kicked for flooding... my apologies
2022-12-19 13:35:27	heaven	i shouldnt have pasted that way 
2022-12-19 13:42:09	Ennea	yea, you shouldn't have :p
2022-12-19 13:43:49	heaven	Ennea: But yeah i'm browsing redshift, it's only affecting temperature and that offset my colors too much :/ Other ideas ? 
2022-12-19 13:45:23	heaven	Ennea:  preferably with a GUI, still new to arch, terminal is still mysterious to me haha
2022-12-19 13:45:36	heaven	learning it but, still difficult
2022-12-19 13:47:05	Koragg	KDE has its own nightlight application/functionality built in
2022-12-19 13:47:15	Koragg	imo it looks better than redshift anyway 
2022-12-19 13:47:56	Koragg	I use redshift when using a window manager that has no such functionality (and most standalone ones do not)
2022-12-19 13:48:32	ville	anyone else started receiving errors similar to: Xlib: sequence lost (0x10000 > 0x43e) in reply type 0x1c! after a recent arch update whilst running emacs?
2022-12-19 13:53:13	Ennea	Koragg, i skipped KDE's own directly for redshift due to lack of config on KDE's ;p
2022-12-19 13:53:38	Ennea	heaven, redshift uses xrandr (by default at least, iirc). perahps you can look into how it does this and see if you can use that to not touch the color temperature but only the brightness
2022-12-19 13:53:46	Koragg	I perceive the color change from the KDE one as less intrusive (it is less "extreme" in color change to me personally)
2022-12-19 13:53:49	Ennea	no GUI on that path, i'm afraid, and i don't know of any other options you might have
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2022-12-19 14:13:20	teraflops	heaven: did you follow the arch wiki entry on redshift?
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2022-12-19 14:14:56	susi	you really don't need a gui for redshift
2022-12-19 14:15:09	susi	but as suggested, see the wiki - it's very complete on this subject
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2022-12-19 14:15:40	jelle	susi:  teraflops: see last reply, redshift doesn't cut it
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2022-12-19 14:16:11	teraflops	they wrote a lot ;(
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2022-12-19 14:19:37	bonezbones	https://www.fosskers.ca/en/blog/wayland -- is this a good way to install wayland with a gui?
2022-12-19 14:19:38	phrik	Title: Colin Woodbury - Full Wayland Setup on Arch Linux (at www.fosskers.ca)
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2022-12-19 14:20:31	teraflops	bonezbones: you mean installing sway, right?
2022-12-19 14:20:38	teraflops	!wiki sway
2022-12-19 14:20:38	phrik	teraflops: Eh?
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2022-12-19 14:21:07	Ennea	aw instead of wiki, no?
2022-12-19 14:21:09	Ennea	!aw sway
2022-12-19 14:21:10	phrik	Ennea: Sway - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Sway
2022-12-19 14:21:14	teraflops	yeah thanks
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2022-12-19 14:22:08	bonezbones	teraflops: i just mean in general, is that a good guide to follow to get a gui in arch?
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2022-12-19 14:22:15	susi	redshift can adjust brightness too
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2022-12-19 14:22:19	susi	and gamma also
2022-12-19 14:23:11	jelle	susi: via ddc-util?
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2022-12-19 14:23:46	jelle	oh, lame  In fact it is a fake brightness adjustment obtained by manipulating the gamma ramps, which means that it does not reduce the backlight of the screen
2022-12-19 14:24:30	Ennea	yea, don't expect it to do that 😁
2022-12-19 14:25:09	susi	ok, I'm no expert on displays.. but I have very sensitive eyes, so I use -O 3800, have adjusted gamma (same day and night),  and adjust brightness manually with a shortcut based on the environmental conditions
2022-12-19 14:25:34	bonezbones	or do i just follow the arch wiki to get a gui using wayland?
2022-12-19 14:25:50	susi	no software could handle this stuff for me, because it depends so much on the environment, time of the day doesn't matter much to me
2022-12-19 14:25:52	Namarrgon	you already have arch installed?
2022-12-19 14:25:59	heaven	bonezbones: sorry you've said ? was afk, lost track of conversation
2022-12-19 14:29:46	jelle	redshift does not work on wayland however, so not super useful
2022-12-19 14:32:16	jelle	dang, gnome's nightlight is buggy
2022-12-19 14:34:50	Ennea	doesn't redshift-git work on wayland?
2022-12-19 14:35:23	jelle	Ennea: no idea, but gnome/kde have something build in
2022-12-19 14:35:42	jelle	would be neat if sometime in the future there was ddcutil integration
2022-12-19 15:06:05	heaven	jelle:  I'm on X11 btw
2022-12-19 15:06:31	jelle	:OO
2022-12-19 15:08:52	heaven	jelle:  ??
2022-12-19 15:09:03	jelle	heaven: oldskoool :-)
2022-12-19 15:09:29	heaven	jelle: I'm new to linux and Arch since only a couple months, i dont really know what is old/new/trendy hehe
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2022-12-19 15:28:21	susi	old school, but too much effort to turn all-things-optimized 'CLI'-based-workflow to wayland-based stuff... tiny little things matter
2022-12-19 15:28:22	Ennea	jelle, have we already reached the point where X11 can be considered oldschool? :p
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2022-12-19 15:28:31	Ennea	i'm on X11, too!
2022-12-19 15:28:42	susi	I wouldn't want to be, and have tried to convert a couple times
2022-12-19 15:28:50	jelle	Ennea: yes
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2022-12-19 15:30:30	TMinus36	Hey all. I'm trying to install Packet Tracer on AUR. Having a hard time remember the location of where to drop the install .deb. I'm reading the docs but I'm must be dense. The same error of not locating the file appears and I'm starting to wonder what dark magic I used to get Packet Tracer installed to begin with.
2022-12-19 15:30:36	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-19 15:32:16	susi	TMinus36: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PacketTracer#Installation
2022-12-19 15:32:17	phrik	Title: PacketTracer - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-12-19 15:32:51	Namarrgon	there's also a pinned comment
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2022-12-19 15:40:21	TMinus36	susi: phrik: Namarrgon: So the problem is perhaps. I'm misunderstanding the location of where the PKGBUILD files are? How does one go about finding that for a particular package? This seems to be the step I've been failing at. This is the documentation I've been using already.
2022-12-19 15:40:54	TMinus36	I rarely use AUR, only for this and one other package which autodownloads.
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2022-12-19 15:48:09	rawktucc	!paste
2022-12-19 15:48:09	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-12-19 15:49:48	Namarrgon	TMinus36: how did you optain the PKGBUILD?
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2022-12-19 15:50:24	TMinus36	Running the install again and choosing to delete the found Build files. It showed me it was hidden in ~/.cache/yay/packettracer
2022-12-19 15:50:28	TMinus36	Mystery solved. Thanks.
2022-12-19 15:50:44	rawktucc	Hi. Trying to build vhs-decode, a project using qt6 and specifically qwtPlot extensions. For some reason, despite having updated qwt and qt6 packages, I get a build error about missing qwtPlot references: https://tilde.team/~rawktucc/projs/vhs-builderror.txt
2022-12-19 15:50:48	TMinus36	Namarrgon: Don't believe I had.
2022-12-19 15:50:51	⚡ 	TMinus36 shrugs
2022-12-19 15:50:59	TMinus36	Just running system upgrade.
2022-12-19 15:51:04	Namarrgon	TMinus36: uninstall yay and learn how packaging works
2022-12-19 15:51:13	TMinus36	No thanks. Happy holidays.
2022-12-19 15:51:19	rawktucc	Just wondering if there's another package I'm missing to build with qt6. In testing with qt5 and qwt5, the project builds fine, but I want to ensure future proofness
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2022-12-19 15:54:29	rawktucc	I neglected to include a cmake warning: Checking for module 'Qt6Qwt6'--   Package 'Qt6Qwt6', required by 'virtual:world', not found
2022-12-19 15:55:03	Namarrgon	arch's qwt is using qt5 still
2022-12-19 15:55:46	rawktucc	Ahh... that's why it has qt5 dependencies. Thank you, noted.
2022-12-19 15:56:00	rawktucc	Was confused as qwt was v6.2
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2022-12-19 16:11:46	luigibu	hi! i got a ovpn file to set my work vpn.. is for AWS vpn.. is it posiible to set the connection form the network menu instead of the provided aws vpn client?
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2022-12-19 16:12:50	jelle	luigibu: is it openvpn?
2022-12-19 16:13:01	Namarrgon	iirc you can import that from the nm connection settings
2022-12-19 16:13:09	luigibu	seams to be
2022-12-19 16:13:33	luigibu	im iported it... but when i try to connect it ask for the secret
2022-12-19 16:13:42	Ennea	well, give it the secret
2022-12-19 16:13:44	Ennea	;p
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2022-12-19 16:13:46	luigibu	i was hoping all is inside de ovpn file.
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2022-12-19 16:13:59	Ennea	ovpn files _can_ contain the passphrase, but they don't have to
2022-12-19 16:14:03	Ennea	in which case you'll be prompted for it
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2022-12-19 16:14:35	luigibu	when i connected with the aws client.. it promted the first time to log with my okta user.. i guess is that?
2022-12-19 16:14:45	Namarrgon	see if you were provided additional credentials along with that file
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2022-12-19 16:15:19	luigibu	that is all.. i guess.. the client they provide has some setup already assign..
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2022-12-19 16:16:18	Namarrgon	"nmcli con import type openvpn file ~/Downloads/frootvpn.ovpn"
2022-12-19 16:16:23	Namarrgon	from 'man nmcli'
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2022-12-19 16:17:05	susi	did you mean: n c i type openvpn file ~/foo.ovpn
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2022-12-19 16:17:13	jelle	....
2022-12-19 16:17:17	susi	8)
2022-12-19 16:17:23	jelle	susi: you don't have to be toxic
2022-12-19 16:17:28	jelle	okta is probably for multiple factor authentication, which complicates things
2022-12-19 16:17:35	susi	I don't see how that was toxic, tbh
2022-12-19 16:17:44	Namarrgon	ah, okta wasn't a typo
2022-12-19 16:18:36	jelle	not sure if this is relevant https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/NetworkManager-openconnect/-/issues/42
2022-12-19 16:18:37	susi	I just like nmcli's feature to abbreviations, didn't mean it as anything 
2022-12-19 16:18:37	phrik	Title: Add Okta login (#42) · Issues · GNOME / NetworkManager-openconnect · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
2022-12-19 16:18:45	susi	feature to accept*
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2022-12-19 16:19:32	susi	though there should have been nmcli and not n, I have an alias for n=nmcli...
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2022-12-19 17:39:37	susi	sysrq-s(ync) might help getting logs of the issue
2022-12-19 17:40:36	susi	that is, if there aren't any already
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2022-12-19 18:04:27	Hunker	Hi. I try to get an all-in-one micrisoft keyboard to work. It does lightup green for a while but dont seam to suceed to pair up with the usb key. do I have to do something manually or install some special driver? in /dev a couple hidraw entries show up when I insert the key.
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2022-12-19 18:08:47	lilufo	Hunker, I've had good success with cheap logitech keyboard
2022-12-19 18:08:53	lilufo	maybe look into those 
2022-12-19 18:09:07	lilufo	or just wired 
2022-12-19 18:09:20	lilufo	the logitech wired combo pack is pretty solid 
2022-12-19 18:09:26	lilufo	for $15
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2022-12-19 18:13:16	Hunker	 lilufo: Thanks for the tip, but well I have this one so i guess i want to try to se why it's not connecting.  
2022-12-19 18:14:03	teraflops	Hunker: take a look at the journal when you plug the adapter in
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2022-12-19 18:15:18	Namarrgon	uname -r && pacman -Q linux
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2022-12-19 18:16:16	sensille	xflock4 doesn't work anymore after a recent update, but the lock still kicks in after the set idle time
2022-12-19 18:16:55	sensille	/bin/sh: line 1: light-locker-command: command not found
2022-12-19 18:17:57	Namarrgon	check the opt-deps of xfce4-session
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2022-12-19 18:22:40	sensille	ah, installing light-locker is not enough, a restart (or re-login?) is needed
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2022-12-19 18:41:38	docdrow	What's the proper way to give USB stuff custom names? is it still udev? or is there a systemd way nowdays... I have two USB headsets and they both show up as "USB audio" .. 
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2022-12-19 20:15:02	dok	KillerWasp: what make you think that multitasking doesn't work ?
2022-12-19 20:15:16	pm123123123	hello everyone. I run into a weird issue today and was hoping to get some pointers here.
2022-12-19 20:15:16	pm123123123	the problem is that all of a sudden ssh is not working. i'm able to telnet X 22 and putty X but ssh X is just silent.
2022-12-19 20:15:17	pm123123123	i've tried to remove openssh by pacman -Rs openssh then install it  by pacman -S openssh
2022-12-19 20:15:17	pm123123123	what could be wrong here?
2022-12-19 20:15:29	dok	audio not playing is understandable
2022-12-19 20:16:10	dok	I can think of reasons why audio would not play even if multitasking is working correctly
2022-12-19 20:16:15	Namarrgon	pm123123123: it used to work?
2022-12-19 20:16:37	pm123123123	Namarrgon yes. and it still works tested by putty.
2022-12-19 20:17:00	pm123123123	"it" i mean the ssh server
2022-12-19 20:17:11	Namarrgon	is the service running?
2022-12-19 20:17:44	pm123123123	yes it is running. putty login just fine
2022-12-19 20:17:55	Namarrgon	wait, so what doesn't work?
2022-12-19 20:18:22	pm123123123	"ssh X" doesn't work. just silent
2022-12-19 20:18:54	Namarrgon	do you start ssh/putty from the same system you're running sshd on?
2022-12-19 20:19:11	dok	KillerWasp: depends graphic application will no longer havea display and audio streams might not get sinked
2022-12-19 20:19:12	Namarrgon	KillerWasp: multitasking and multiseat are not the same thing
2022-12-19 20:19:25	dok	this can cause pauses
2022-12-19 20:19:38	pm123123123	no. X is a remote system. ssh is run from my local archlinux machine.
2022-12-19 20:19:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-12-19 20:19:56	Namarrgon	and sshd runs on arch, too?
2022-12-19 20:20:06	pm123123123	no
2022-12-19 20:20:18	pm123123123	sshd runs in X remote system
2022-12-19 20:20:30	dok	:?
2022-12-19 20:20:36	Namarrgon	what is X?
2022-12-19 20:20:44	pm123123123	X is a remote system
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2022-12-19 20:21:32	Namarrgon	well, increase verbosity of the client and the server, try to connect and post the results to a paste service
2022-12-19 20:21:43	dok	i don't know, i am not a firefox developer.
2022-12-19 20:22:33	dok	but do not expect a video to play properly in firefox if the audio stream has nowhere to go.
2022-12-19 20:22:51	dok	ie you switch seat
2022-12-19 20:24:10	pm123123123	no much useful message from logs.i did tcpdump on both local arch and remote x machines.
2022-12-19 20:24:11	pm123123123	packet seemingly leaves local arch but remote X doesn't see any attempt when ssh is used. while telnet/putty works fine.
2022-12-19 20:24:35	Namarrgon	are you using an ip address?
2022-12-19 20:24:53	pm123123123	no dns issue here. hostname or ip, same result
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2022-12-19 20:25:13	Namarrgon	post the client output
2022-12-19 20:25:17	Namarrgon	with -vvvv
2022-12-19 20:25:22	KillerWasp	dok: i save the link for read and understand after. i don't know if it's useful also for TTYs instead of Xorg.
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2022-12-19 20:25:35	rdbeni0	hello everyone, if i updated dxvk-bin pachage via AUR - then i need also update my wine prefix with some latest code?
2022-12-19 20:25:37	KillerWasp	or mix TTYs with Xorgs
2022-12-19 20:25:42	dok	use wget instead, done
2022-12-19 20:25:48	⚡ 	dok away
2022-12-19 20:26:22	KillerWasp	...
2022-12-19 20:26:51	pm123123123	here you go. -vvv and -vvvv same output https://pastebin.com/PcM14Y3B
2022-12-19 20:26:52	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o5Nj.txt
2022-12-19 20:26:52	phrik	Title: $ ssh -vvv 192.168.1.1OpenSSH_9.1p1, OpenSSL 3.0.7 1 Nov 2022debug1: Reading - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2022-12-19 20:28:07	KillerWasp	bye
2022-12-19 20:28:11	◣	KillerWasp (~KillerWas@user/killerwasp) ha abandonado #archlinux (YOU KIDDING ME?? YOU KIDDING MEEE???? (PC drinking beer) *kernel panic!*)
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2022-12-19 20:39:07	Namarrgon	what does ssh_config set for that host?
2022-12-19 20:39:10	pm123123123	there's nothing in my network that picks on ssh(the client) while allowing telnet/putty
2022-12-19 20:39:11	◣	throstur (~throstur@user/throstur) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-12-19 20:39:55	pm123123123	ssh_config: only username
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2022-12-19 20:41:07	dok	do you see something on the ooenwrt side if you use tcpdump ?
2022-12-19 20:41:19	Namarrgon	does ssh time out eventually?
2022-12-19 20:41:33	pm123123123	nothing seen on openwrt side. and that baffles me.
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2022-12-19 20:44:26	dok	or can you try to ssh from openwrt
2022-12-19 20:44:27	pm123123123	the tcp syn packet is really small.
2022-12-19 20:44:28	Namarrgon	ssh -o IPQoS=none
2022-12-19 20:44:31	◣	rdg (~rdg@user/rdg) ha salido (Client Quit)
2022-12-19 20:44:56	pm123123123	this works now
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2022-12-19 20:45:07	pm123123123	IPQoS option
2022-12-19 20:45:14	Namarrgon	recheck the configs or the AP, something's funky
2022-12-19 20:45:19	Namarrgon	*for
2022-12-19 20:45:48	Namarrgon	you can add that to the host section in sshd_config for now
2022-12-19 20:46:42	pm123123123	this is crazy... how could this happen
2022-12-19 20:47:07	pm123123123	yeah let me restart my ap
2022-12-19 20:47:42	dok	is there a driver called dweth_eqos or stmmac smth ? on computer with the ethernet port
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2022-12-19 20:51:50	pm123123123	sorry i didn't mention that it's actually arch guest inside virtualbox on win10.
2022-12-19 20:51:51	pm123123123	the virtual nic in arch is bridged to win10 wifi nic, then to ap then to openwrt.
2022-12-19 20:51:51	pm123123123	dweth_eqos or stmmac: is that a virtualbox/windows thing?
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2022-12-19 20:52:16	dok	no
2022-12-19 20:52:40	pm123123123	nat mode works. bridge mode doesn't without disabling the qos option
2022-12-19 20:52:45	dok	it is something you will find in SoC
2022-12-19 20:53:00	dok	do use nat mode
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2022-12-19 20:53:24	dok	u
2022-12-19 20:53:24	pm123123123	ok. the ap is running original firmware. without cli/ssh access i cannot tell.
2022-12-19 20:53:32	dok	ok
2022-12-19 20:53:56	teraflops	pm123123123: do you use the VM just to be able to have openssh?
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2022-12-19 20:54:46	pm123123123	teraflops yeah openssh/emacs/java
2022-12-19 20:54:55	teraflops	ah, nvm
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2022-12-19 20:57:18	pm123123123	thank you all so much for helping me out!
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2022-12-19 21:22:02	linux_dream	hi people it's been around 30 hours now, i am unable to play to a game on Steam, a game that used to work
2022-12-19 21:22:15	linux_dream	 I have posted some error messages at https://steamcommunity.com/app/1022450/discussions/0/6670425060423507333/
2022-12-19 21:22:17	phrik	Title: Game won't start anymore :: War Selection General Discussions (at steamcommunity.com)
2022-12-19 21:22:29	linux_dream	if anyone has some idea,  let me know.
2022-12-19 21:22:58	linux_dream	i have reinstalled steam, i have tried to downgrade lib32-mesa, the intel-vulkan packages, and many others that were updated 2 days ago
2022-12-19 21:23:02	linux_dream	to no avail
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2022-12-19 21:26:22	linux_dream	now I see the error Vulkan missing requested extension 'VK_KHR_surface'.
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2022-12-19 21:38:03	DarkFeather	Might be a steam issue. Assuming you ran `pacman -Syu` recently, have you tried downgrading to the last package set that worked?
2022-12-19 21:38:47	linux_dream	manually, yes DarkFeather
2022-12-19 21:38:57	linux_dream	 I downgraded around 8 packages
2022-12-19 21:39:12	linux_dream	anyway, I now downloaded vulkan-info
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2022-12-19 21:39:28	linux_dream	it says ERROR at /build/vulkan-tools/src/Vulkan-Tools-1.3.226/vulkaninfo/vulkaninfo.h:672:vkCreateInstance failed with ERROR_INCOMPATIBLE_DRIVER
2022-12-19 21:39:49	linux_dream	maybe the package lib32-vulkan-intel isn't working
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2022-12-19 21:40:40	linux_dream	I see a recent post on https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=282083, someone with a similiar problem
2022-12-19 21:40:41	phrik	Title: AMDVLK fails to load on 6650xt. / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2022-12-19 21:42:01	linux_dream	here's my full output https://bpa.st/KVO2O
2022-12-19 21:42:01	phrik	Title: View paste KVO2O (at bpa.st)
2022-12-19 21:45:18	Namarrgon	do you have amdvlk installed?
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2022-12-19 21:46:10	linux_dream	I don't think so. I have an intel integrated GPU only
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2022-12-19 21:46:39	linux_dream	Namarrgon indeed, I don't.  but that shouldn't be a problem.
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2022-12-19 21:46:57	linux_dream	I have found https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=265351  .  I think there is something wrong with my system
2022-12-19 21:46:57	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Lutris says that Vulkan is not installed, even though........ / Multimedia and Games / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2022-12-19 21:47:44	linux_dream	ls /usr/share/vulkan/icd.d/  shows intel_hasvk_icd.i686.json  intel_icd.i686.json  nvidia_icd.json
2022-12-19 21:48:10	linux_dream	I don't have an nvidia GPU, so no idea why there is such a file
2022-12-19 21:48:20	linux_dream	and why 2 intel files?  I guess a wrong one gets picked
2022-12-19 21:48:50	linux_dream	do I need to run a command such as "export VK_ICD_FILENAMES=/usr/share/vulkan/icd.d/radeon_icd.i686.json:/usr/share/vulkan/icd.d/radeon_icd.x86_64.json"  but replpacing radeon by intel ?
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2022-12-19 21:50:36	linux_dream	"vulkaninfo" complains that ERROR: [Loader Message] Code 0 : loader_get_json: Failed to open JSON file /usr/share/vulkan/icd.d/intel_icd.x86_64.json
2022-12-19 21:50:43	Namarrgon	why is there an nvidia_icd.json in there?
2022-12-19 21:50:57	linux_dream	no idea Namarrgon .  I would never install this manually
2022-12-19 21:51:00	Namarrgon	which package owns it?
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2022-12-19 21:51:48	linux_dream	how do i figure this out? pacman -Qi some package?
2022-12-19 21:52:01	Namarrgon	point -Qo at the file
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2022-12-19 21:52:54	linux_dream	I get /usr/share/vulkan/icd.d/nvidia_icd.json is owned by nvidia-utils 525.60.11-1
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2022-12-19 21:53:00	linux_dream	so nvidia-utils
2022-12-19 21:53:06	Namarrgon	why did you install nvidia-utils on an intel system?
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2022-12-19 21:53:29	linux_dream	because it's required by Required By     : libglvnd  steam
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2022-12-19 21:53:34	linux_dream	by steam
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2022-12-19 21:53:52	Namarrgon	no, nvidia is required
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2022-12-19 21:53:55	Namarrgon	*is not
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2022-12-19 21:54:17	linux_dream	nvidia-utils: Provides        : vulkan-driver  opengl-driver  nvidia-libgl
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2022-12-19 21:54:26	linux_dream	it provides vulkan-driver
2022-12-19 21:54:31	linux_dream	I don't need this ?
2022-12-19 21:54:33	Namarrgon	not on an intel gpu
2022-12-19 21:54:37	linux_dream	damn...
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2022-12-19 21:55:06	linux_dream	sudo pacman -Rns nvidia-utils: :: removing nvidia-utils breaks dependency 'vulkan-driver' required by steam
2022-12-19 21:55:29	Namarrgon	install the proper package first, then remove this one
2022-12-19 21:55:29	linux_dream	can't I just remove the nvidia json file ?
2022-12-19 21:55:38	Namarrgon	no, don't manually mess around in /usr
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2022-12-19 21:55:51	linux_dream	ok
2022-12-19 21:56:06	linux_dream	so hmm, what is the proper package? it installed this when I installed steam
2022-12-19 21:56:39	linux_dream	when I install steam I get asked which gpu driver to install, I chose intel
2022-12-19 21:57:01	Namarrgon	pacman -Ss vulkan-driver
2022-12-19 21:57:02	linux_dream	but ok, ill remove steam and nvidia-utils
2022-12-19 21:57:06	Namarrgon	dude
2022-12-19 21:57:29	linux_dream	multilib/lib32-vulkan-intel 22.3.1-1 [installed]
2022-12-19 21:57:42	Namarrgon	that's the 32bit version
2022-12-19 21:58:07	linux_dream	that was enough to run the steam game i want
2022-12-19 21:58:19	linux_dream	do i need the 64 bits version to fix my problem?
2022-12-19 21:58:27	Namarrgon	no, it was not enough, you had to have the matching 64bit version
2022-12-19 21:59:06	linux_dream	ok, just installed it
2022-12-19 22:00:26	linux_dream	game won;t launch, same error(s)
2022-12-19 22:00:36	Namarrgon	did you remove the nvidia packages?
2022-12-19 22:01:25	linux_dream	nope.  I just want to make sure to do it right. I remove steam with pacman -R steam, then remove nvidia-utils with pacman -Rns,  does that sound good?
2022-12-19 22:01:40	Namarrgon	who said anything about removing steam?
2022-12-19 22:01:54	Namarrgon	you're not paying any attention
2022-12-19 22:02:20	linux_dream	sorry
2022-12-19 22:02:27	linux_dream	nvidia-utils removed
2022-12-19 22:02:46	linux_dream	I close steam, and restart it from the command line now
2022-12-19 22:03:49	linux_dream	other messages, but game won't run
2022-12-19 22:04:25	linux_dream	https://bpa.st/XE3H4
2022-12-19 22:04:26	phrik	Title: View paste XE3H4 (at bpa.st)
2022-12-19 22:05:05	Namarrgon	is that all?
2022-12-19 22:05:31	linux_dream	there are more messages at the beginning but i didnt click to launch the game yet
2022-12-19 22:05:42	linux_dream	in the usr folder, I now see these 4 files: intel_hasvk_icd.i686.json  intel_hasvk_icd.x86_64.json  intel_icd.i686.json  intel_icd.x86_64.json
2022-12-19 22:05:43	Namarrgon	...
2022-12-19 22:07:30	linux_dream	I just restarted steam Namarrgon, here's the full output, I clicked on teh game to launch it at some point: https://bpa.st/7G7IW
2022-12-19 22:07:32	phrik	Title: View paste 7G7IW (at bpa.st)
2022-12-19 22:11:10	Namarrgon	does it work if you run the windows version via proton?
2022-12-19 22:12:17	linux_dream	nope, none of like 5 proton versions
2022-12-19 22:12:26	Namarrgon	what errors do you get there?
2022-12-19 22:12:31	linux_dream	with some of them, wine complains
2022-12-19 22:15:10	linux_dream	here's the output with proton experimental: https://bpa.st/OSVUM
2022-12-19 22:15:10	phrik	Title: View paste OSVUM (at bpa.st)
2022-12-19 22:16:28	Namarrgon	it looks like it is still running
2022-12-19 22:16:42	Namarrgon	have you tried the native steam runtime?
2022-12-19 22:16:53	linux_dream	yes, steam shows the game is "running" but nothing poped up
2022-12-19 22:16:59	linux_dream	yes
2022-12-19 22:17:55	linux_dream	the engine "stopped" btw
2022-12-19 22:18:26	linux_dream	that's the end of the paste: https://bpa.st/LTKFM   now
2022-12-19 22:18:27	phrik	Title: View paste LTKFM (at bpa.st)
2022-12-19 22:18:49	linux_dream	there's a line 2022-12-19 22:16:27 Error: Game engine not responding
2022-12-19 22:19:11	Namarrgon	some of the protondb reports confirm that it's busted
2022-12-19 22:19:54	linux_dream	did you mean "steam Linux runtime" ?
2022-12-19 22:19:56	linux_dream	or native ?
2022-12-19 22:20:36	linux_dream	with steam Linux runtime, won't work either
2022-12-19 22:21:06	linux_dream	what do you mean Namarrgon ?  that proton cannot make it work?  but still, people are playing the game...
2022-12-19 22:25:03	mr_sm1th	What do y'all use for backing up? duplicity? borg?
2022-12-19 22:27:16	linux_dream	Namarrgon sorry for being slow, but does that mean I just have to wait for some dev to fix my problem
2022-12-19 22:27:24	linux_dream	or is there a way I can make it work myself
2022-12-19 22:27:28	gromit	mr_smith: so far I am praying xD 
2022-12-19 22:27:48	gromit	Probably will use zfs snapshots / sanoid/syncoid in the future :D
2022-12-19 22:28:22	gromit	Currently most of my stuff is synchronized between devices with NextCloud
2022-12-19 22:28:33	Namarrgon	linux_dream: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Steam/Troubleshooting#Steam_native_runtime
2022-12-19 22:28:34	phrik	Title: Steam/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-19 22:28:55	Foxboron	mr_sm1th: btrfs snapshots + borg
2022-12-19 22:29:04	Namarrgon	linux_dream: there don't seem to be many linux users of that game, the dev might not even test it before they push a new version
2022-12-19 22:29:36	linux_dream	sad. been working for a year at least
2022-12-19 22:56:09	kucklehead	Been googling and I am not getting a straight answer about if wine-valve supports wayland. As I am having issues when running a .exe file. I am playing a game and by pressing F1 it opens a little box to which it keeps flickering 
2022-12-19 22:58:28	jelle	kucklehead: what is wine-valve and why do you think wayland matters?
2022-12-19 22:59:40	kucklehead	I believe it's another form of wine basically. And if you're running wayland, one wouldn't use xrandr correct?
2022-12-19 23:00:23	jelle	kucklehead: it would just use xwayland
2022-12-19 23:02:23	kucklehead	So that's probably the reason why it isn't working as I don't think I have xwayland setup. Heck, I wouldn't know if you need to setup it up or not. I didn't bother with xwayland as I think it has a security flaw; basically you can be spyed on.
2022-12-19 23:03:26	jelle	kucklehead: then you choose pain honestly
2022-12-19 23:03:46	jelle	native wayland support in wine is being worked on and I don't believe it is stable yet
2022-12-19 23:03:48	kucklehead	Well, this is the error I get: "00d4:err:xrandr:xrandr14_get_adapters Failed to get adapters"
2022-12-19 23:04:04	kucklehead	Wym? I'm already in pain 
2022-12-19 23:05:54	kucklehead	jelle, haven't they been working on it for quite awhile?
2022-12-19 23:06:57	jelle	kucklehead: no idea, I'd advice using xwayland
2022-12-19 23:16:19	kucklehead	Fair enough. Thanks doc 
2022-12-20 00:53:29	jensen	my system uses amd graphics card (Radeon RX 560) and I'm putting the / drive to another system temporarily that uses only intel graphics graphics on its cpu. would it be problematic to install intel drivers but keep amd drivers on the system?
2022-12-20 00:54:44	docdrow	jensen: should work, I have a system that has intel, amd, and nvidia GPUs 
2022-12-20 00:55:04	jensen	lol thanks
2022-12-20 00:55:44	docdrow	you can control (sorta) what GPU does what with env vars
2022-12-20 00:56:57	jensen	yea i'm looking to see if there's a standard way to check for what graphics is being used and then set the appropriet env variables, hopefully it's not considered too hacky
2022-12-20 00:57:32	Scimmia	jenkins: as long as you don't have an xorg.conf, you should be fine. You already have all of the drivers
2022-12-20 00:57:37	jensen	i think the only variables i had to use for amd was the ones for hardware accel:  export LIBVA_DRIVER_NAME='radeonsi' VDPAU_DRIVER='radeonsi'
2022-12-20 00:58:33	docdrow	jensen: If you want one .xprofile I have the sameone I use on 5 different systems... I just use the hostname :)
2022-12-20 00:58:58	docdrow	if [[ $HOSTNAME == xyz ]]; then set this stuff up; etc
2022-12-20 00:59:36	docdrow	if you wanna get fancy you could check something like lspci
2022-12-20 01:00:00	Scimmia	There's rarely a need for any of it
2022-12-20 01:00:55	Scimmia	jenkins: main thing, do NOT use xf86-video-intel
2022-12-20 01:44:33	throstur	any other of you lads getting a vac error in csgo today?
2022-12-20 01:44:42	throstur	s/lad/person/
2022-12-20 01:50:24	lairnc	i use pactl to raise the volume of my laptop, but I have observed it can go +infinitum. Anyway to set a max value?
2022-12-20 01:50:36	lairnc	`bindsym XF86AudioRaiseVolume exec --no-startup-id pactl set-sink-volume @DEFAULT_SINK@ +5% && $refresh_i3status
2022-12-20 01:50:36	lairnc	`
2022-12-20 01:50:49	lairnc	that's the i3 keybinding i use for it
2022-12-20 01:52:02	lairnc	i wouldnt mind to have this bug (feature?) on, but I worry someone could destroy my speakers in the event of someone using my laptop
2022-12-20 01:53:34	throstur	I concur that this does indeed sound kind of iffy, haven't experienced this issue with amixer and pavucontrol doesn't seem to let the slider go higher than like what, 150?
2022-12-20 01:53:52	thrice	use another mixer?  That sounds broken
2022-12-20 01:54:24	lairnc	alsa instead of pactl?
2022-12-20 01:54:45	lairnc	does it offer a command to raise volume such as the one above?
2022-12-20 01:55:02	thrice	nah, another pulse frontend
2022-12-20 02:00:36	docdrow	Someone will write a pipewire-native mixer I hope?
2022-12-20 02:02:32	throstur	amixer -M set Master 3+ or 3-
2022-12-20 02:02:34	throstur	for example
2022-12-20 02:02:54	thrice	pulsemixer looks good, from googling
2022-12-20 02:06:33	docdrow	Sadly, xf86-intel-video is WAY better than modesetting on my laptop :(  but that's not true on my other laptop which also has an intel gpu
2022-12-20 02:08:53	thrice	which intel chip, out of curiosity?
2022-12-20 03:15:08	Strykar	My reddit top comment of the year - https://i.imgur.com/0yQhs8L.png
2022-12-20 03:17:36	lilufo	never looked into manjaro, mainly using arch and debian Sid, what's manjaro's deal?
2022-12-20 03:18:20	myspaceisflat	https://manjarno.snorlax.sh/
2022-12-20 03:18:22	phrik	Title: Manjarno (at manjarno.snorlax.sh)
2022-12-20 03:19:13	Strykar	lilufo: its a joke of a distro
2022-12-20 03:22:32	NetSysFire	!manjarno is "<reply>https://manjarno.snorlax.sh"
2022-12-20 03:22:33	phrik	NetSysFire: Tada!
2022-12-20 03:22:52	NetSysFire	the page looks good enough for me to get the honor of being in phrik
2022-12-20 03:24:00	lilufo	the arch installation isn't that scary 
2022-12-20 03:24:16	lilufo	gentoo is more of a time consuming process 
2022-12-20 03:24:34	NetSysFire	gentoo is a text adventure with insane hardware requirements
2022-12-20 03:24:41	ev0catus	...
2022-12-20 03:25:21	NetSysFire	manjaro appears to try to be a corporate shill, pushing their arm person to pinebooks and pinephones and other shady stuff
2022-12-20 03:26:58	thrice	well, it's kinda silly arch doesn't do arm officially
2022-12-20 03:27:12	jensen	is it just me or va-api is always implicitly enabled and vdpau needs to be explicitly enabled?
2022-12-20 03:29:55	Strykar	loljaro had hopes of being on the steam deck 😂
2022-12-20 03:33:18	mpan	phrik has more factoids on Manjaro than on any other topic. :|
2022-12-20 03:33:18	phrik	mpan: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
2022-12-20 03:33:47	⚡ 	mpan apologizes to phrik for using a wrong face.
2022-12-20 03:56:48	thurstylark	there have been more reasons for automated replies to people trying to get help with manjaro than any other topic, sooo...
2022-12-20 03:56:51	thurstylark	!shrug
2022-12-20 03:56:52	phrik	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2022-12-20 04:55:16	hexadecagram	#ArchLinux: I've got an unbootable system with a botched upgrade. I've booted an Arch ISO and have the system on /mnt. Is it possible to re-run pacman on a few packages (such as openssl) in such a way? I need to be able to do it WITHOUT running arch-chroot, because whenever I arch-chroot and try to run pacman, I get "pacman: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.1.1: cannot open
2022-12-20 04:55:18	hexadecagram	shared object file: No such file or directory".
2022-12-20 04:56:43	Namarrgon	how was it botched? partial update?
2022-12-20 04:56:58	hexadecagram	Yes, ran out of disk space
2022-12-20 04:57:08	Namarrgon	did you free up enough space?
2022-12-20 04:57:13	hexadecagram	Of course
2022-12-20 04:57:23	Namarrgon	did you disable the diskspace check in pacman.conf?
2022-12-20 04:58:26	hexadecagram	No but it ran out anyway.
2022-12-20 04:59:07	Namarrgon	do you have any third-party repos enabled?
2022-12-20 04:59:19	hexadecagram	No
2022-12-20 04:59:33	Namarrgon	then finish the update with the iso's pacman
2022-12-20 04:59:42	Namarrgon	pacman --root /mnt -Syu
2022-12-20 04:59:55	Namarrgon	make sure all filesystems are actually mounted below /mnt
2022-12-20 05:01:10	hexadecagram	Yeah openssl is hosed: "error: could not open file /mnt/var/lib/pacman/local/openssl-3.0.7-2/desc: No such file or directory"
2022-12-20 05:01:29	Namarrgon	touch that file and then try again
2022-12-20 05:05:12	hexadecagram	Interesting, virt-resize didn't resize2fs (even though it said it did), one sec.
2022-12-20 05:10:08	hexadecagram	It's refusing to resize. "The filesystem is already 6159360 (4k) blocks long.  Nothing to do!"
2022-12-20 05:10:20	Tom^	Namarrgon: i guess you could run out of diskspace meanwhile pacman is installing. untarring whatever in a second terminal meanwhile pacman is running
2022-12-20 05:11:22	hexadecagram	This was a pretty small image, I undersized it to begin with. Evidently 16G isn't enough these days.
2022-12-20 05:24:48	hexadecagram	Namarrgon: Your suggestion did help. There were 2 files (desc and files) that were missing, I touched them both and got pacman to start
2022-12-20 05:25:45	jensen	running vdpauinfo i'm getting: 'Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_va_gl.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory' any ideas? trying to set up vdpau for hardware accel for some obscure apps that don't support va-api
2022-12-20 05:34:27	hexadecagram	Namarrgon: pacman --cachedir /mnt/var/cache/pacman/pkg --root /mnt -Syu
2022-12-20 05:53:39	Namarrgon	don't grep logs if you don't know what you're looking for
2022-12-20 05:54:05	Namarrgon	post your bootloader config
2022-12-20 06:05:40	Namarrgon	grub.cfg
2022-12-20 06:10:22	uuidNuniq	btrfs... 
2022-12-20 06:11:34	uuidNuniq	is your /@/boot EFI?
2022-12-20 06:12:13	uuidNuniq	oh no 
2022-12-20 06:13:44	uuidNuniq	is your /efi fat32?
2022-12-20 06:15:39	uuidNuniq	do you have filesystem hook in  mkinitfs.conf
2022-12-20 06:17:16	uuidNuniq	the initramfs is lacking fat32 module 
2022-12-20 06:19:21	uuidNuniq	zgrep -i vfat /proc/config.gz : CONFIG_VFAT_FS=m
2022-12-20 06:20:23	uuidNuniq	vfat is a module by default. if you do not have proper HOOKS in /etc/mkinitcpio.conf, your initramfs will not have vfat. thus, can't mount the ESP
2022-12-20 06:21:37	uuidNuniq	paste your HOOKS
2022-12-20 06:26:34	uuidNuniq	linux-hardened is a jok
2022-12-20 06:26:36	uuidNuniq	e
2022-12-20 06:31:23	uuidNuniq	good luck 
2022-12-20 09:01:22	Tom^	h4rd3n3d: did you recently rebuild the kernel? and for some reason /boot/vmlinuz-linux-hardened mismatches the version your /usr/lib/modules/6.1-whatever-hardened/ ?
2022-12-20 09:02:28	Tom^	oh im late to the party by a few hours :p
2022-12-20 09:26:27	dav1d	I have issues with suspend since like 2-3 weeks. Whenever the system comes out of suspend I am stuck in the KDE lock screen which appears to be frozen before it fully loaded. Weirdly enough a resume from hibernate works. dmesg/xorg log do not seem to have any errors. Any ideas?
2022-12-20 09:31:04	dav1d	This is the kernel.log for suspend/resume, the only weird part are the timestamps: https://p.dav1d.de/L7c
2022-12-20 09:33:16	dav1d	When this happens I can switch to a tty and restart sddm, which then works fine, but after logging in it's frozen again, also the plasmashell process seems to hang
2022-12-20 09:42:31	NetSysFire	check your journal
2022-12-20 09:42:31	NetSysFire	the xorg log or dmesg wont contain application logs from kde
2022-12-20 09:51:00	vardo	Hello. I have a laptop computer. I have an external monitor with a higher resolution plugged in in HDMI. When I open a tty, the screen is mirrored. However on the external monitor, the bottom part is cropped (I miss about a line or two of texts) which make its use impractical. Is there any way to use only the external monitor and at its original resolution?
2022-12-20 09:51:18	dav1d	NetSysFire, nothing in `journalctl /usr/bin/plasmashell` and `journalctl /usr/lib/kscreenlocker_greet`. 
2022-12-20 09:51:38	NetSysFire	run sudo journalctl -e
2022-12-20 09:51:41	dav1d	Not sure where else to check, but it is surprisingly empty, maybe too empty
2022-12-20 09:51:51	NetSysFire	(or -r, depending on what you like better)
2022-12-20 09:51:53	vardo	(It's clearly a zoomed in version of the laptop screen, with blur and all)
2022-12-20 09:54:02	vardo	There is this solution : https://askubuntu.com/questions/712111/forcing-grub-menu-to-external-monitor-connected-to-laptop-via-hdmi-vga
2022-12-20 09:54:04	phrik	Title: boot - Forcing grub menu to external monitor connected to laptop via HDMI/VGA - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
2022-12-20 09:54:40	vardo	But it completely disable the laptop screen and I have no idea how I could recover in case of problem with the external monitor
2022-12-20 09:56:30	dav1d	NetSysFire, weird the suspend looks like a shutdown, a bunch of stuff stopping. I'll check when it happens again, maybe I am looking at the wrong thing
2022-12-20 09:57:02	NetSysFire	yes this is expected. paste your journal so we can take a look
2022-12-20 10:04:23	dav1d	NetSysFire, https://p.dav1d.de/Pro.- this should be everything `journalctl -e -b -1 -n2500`
2022-12-20 10:04:25	phrik	Title: Farfalle (at p.dav1d.de)
2022-12-20 10:04:47	NetSysFire	why -b -1?
2022-12-20 10:04:57	NetSysFire	or did you already reboot?
2022-12-20 10:05:59	dav1d	NetSysFire, I did reboot yeah
2022-12-20 10:07:11	NetSysFire	are you sure thats a normal suspend? kinda looks like a hibernation to me
2022-12-20 10:07:57	NetSysFire	ugh no its buried beneath log spam
2022-12-20 10:08:44	dav1d	NetSysFire, yeah I do have a kernel param for deep suspend `mem_sleep_default=deep`
2022-12-20 10:11:08	NetSysFire	X connection to :0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
2022-12-20 10:11:11	NetSysFire	this might be a cause
2022-12-20 10:12:11	dav1d	NetSysFire, I think that was when I rebooted already
2022-12-20 10:12:33	NetSysFire	no theres plenty of time between that and the eventual shutdown
2022-12-20 10:13:02	grawity	isn't that message from after they did 'systemctl restart sddm'?
2022-12-20 10:13:11	dav1d	NetSysFire, I rebooted here https://p.dav1d.de/Pro.-#L1117 the `X connection to :0 broken` was after
2022-12-20 10:13:11	phrik	Title: Farfalle (at p.dav1d.de)
2022-12-20 10:13:50	NetSysFire	grawity: good point
2022-12-20 10:16:59	NetSysFire	yeah i got confused with the log but now i got it. i dont see anything relevant though
2022-12-20 10:18:36	NetSysFire	try #kde. it look like a kde specific bug and you might need some more advanced debugging techniques there
2022-12-20 10:22:57	dav1d	NetSysFire, alright, thanks for the help
2022-12-20 10:27:27	NetSysFire	dav1d: sorry for not reading correctly /o\
2022-12-20 11:07:21	soren_	is arch in minimal configuration able to hit c-states? i built low power system on i3-12100 and can't hit any despite configuring bios to downclock and disable any energy-consuming features
2022-12-20 11:08:51	BrainDamage	see powertop to check what's keeping your cpu awake
2022-12-20 11:09:00	BrainDamage	also, what's your governor?
2022-12-20 11:13:30	kek_	hi
2022-12-20 11:14:13	v9fk	hi kek_
2022-12-20 11:14:53	kek_	"error: openssl: signature from "Pierre Schmitz <pierre@archlinux.org>" is marginal trust:: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/openssl-3.0.7-4-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature))" I got this error and I solved it by updating the archlinux keyring first. I'm not sure why that solved it though. How come pacman doesn't do that by default? (I also removed cache in
2022-12-20 11:14:53	kek_	between, no idea if that also had 
2022-12-20 11:14:53	kek_	something to do wit hit)
2022-12-20 11:16:50	dok	kek_: updating the keyring first is the solution, nothing to do with the cache
2022-12-20 11:18:04	kek_	dok, yeah but why do you have to do that by yourself? Why doesn't pacman do that for you?
2022-12-20 11:18:18	drocan	chicken and egg problem, mostly
2022-12-20 11:19:06	dok	kek_: how often do you have this issue, I think that not too often
2022-12-20 11:19:30	kek_	dok, rarely just curious 
2022-12-20 11:19:40	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-12-20 11:20:04	kek_	thanks
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2022-12-20 11:22:37	kidnextdoor	guys my arch dont play mp3. why? heeeelp!
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2022-12-20 11:35:26	kidnextdoor	yes, i found the problem, i had to instal gst-plugins-ggood, now i can play mp3 in lollypop :P
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2022-12-20 11:37:54	xx	sounds like they should have been on the list of dependencies
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2022-12-20 11:38:27	alad	it's most likely in optional dependencies
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2022-12-20 11:45:32	kidnextdoor	youtubedl-gui for official repos please please please
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2022-12-20 11:47:22	kidnextdoor	is youtubedl-gui in official repos yet?
2022-12-20 11:47:50	jelle	mpv?
2022-12-20 11:50:15	kidnextdoor	yes, i have it also, to watch movies, i love movies, but we talking about music, youtube-dl allows me to downlaod good quality music for my disk, what i love and cant live without
2022-12-20 11:50:41	kidnextdoor	gotta use these teras somehow
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2022-12-20 12:08:04	vardo	Nobody knows why tty gets truncated on the bottom part on a second monitor?
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2022-12-20 12:10:29	xx	kidnextdoor: what's wrong with using yt-dlp?
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2022-12-20 12:18:22	heaven	installed arch via archinstall script on a 2nd pc i have at home 3-4 days ago without touching it much after.... My plans changed and i would like to use the desktop version on that pc, is it faster to install missing package or wipe/reinstall via archinstall tool ? 
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2022-12-20 12:18:56	heaven	the pc current archinstall config is minimal server
2022-12-20 12:20:31	kidnextdoor	yt-dlp doesnt seem to have a graphical interface
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2022-12-20 12:22:19	kidnextdoor	is youtubedl-gui in official repos yet?
2022-12-20 12:22:27	jelle	kidnextdoor: no
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2022-12-20 12:22:33	jelle	kidnextdoor: why would it be
2022-12-20 12:22:50	kidnextdoor	because i want it so badly, and i asked please please please
2022-12-20 12:22:51	grawity	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18AzodTPG5U
2022-12-20 12:22:52	phrik	Title: Are we there yet - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
2022-12-20 12:23:24	heaven	kidnextdoor: take it in non-oficial ?...... 
2022-12-20 12:23:51	kidnextdoor	it is a ver4y useful tool, thats just the graphical interface of the tool taht already exists on oficial repos
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2022-12-20 12:24:18	grawity	ln -s /usr/bin/yt-dlp /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl
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2022-12-20 12:24:35	grawity	I would bet this makes 90% of the "youtube-dl GUI" tools work
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2022-12-20 12:25:45	kidnextdoor	pff, windows users can have youtube-dl gui, and i, that uses arch, cant.
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2022-12-20 12:26:37	mpan	kidnextdoor: you can build it yourself. Someone even shared instructions in AUR.
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2022-12-20 12:26:44	ℹ 	bluetail21 es conocido ahora como bluetail2
2022-12-20 12:26:57	grawity	are you a bot
2022-12-20 12:27:00	kidnextdoor	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/netactview
2022-12-20 12:27:03	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - netactview (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-12-20 12:27:05	kidnextdoor	this one also please please please
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2022-12-20 12:27:09	kidnextdoor	both for official repos please
2022-12-20 12:27:29	Ennea	grawity, i think this is worse than a bot
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2022-12-20 12:29:33	xx	kidnextdoor: you really should learn to use non-GUI tools, it will open up the world for you
2022-12-20 12:30:29	kidnextdoor	nop, graphics are like a drug, i do try to learn to use command lines, but i hope for my workflow to be all after operating system
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2022-12-20 12:30:48	mpan	kidnextdoor: less noise, perhaps?
2022-12-20 12:30:58	kidnextdoor	i hope to work in a arch desktop build i make, not to work on it, upon it
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2022-12-20 12:32:11	kidnextdoor	i know i can build it myself, but it can cause crashes to have packages with common depencies, ones being updated others not
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2022-12-20 12:32:31	kidnextdoor	duh... but i would like it in official repos so i dont worry,. but hey nevermind me mister right
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2022-12-20 12:34:30	mpan	kidnextdoor: being sarcastic is not helping your case.
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2022-12-20 12:36:50	jelle	kidnextdoor: wanting it in the repos is fine, being childish about it not
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2022-12-20 12:40:37	kidnextdoor	2 totaly different things, one thing, system,, another thing me being jerk
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2022-12-20 12:55:26	Foxboron	grawity: they have broken the rules twice if you need a reason
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2022-12-20 13:13:41	MacGyver	jelle: Thanks.
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2022-12-20 13:46:57	Metroid	how many kernels does one user need...
2022-12-20 13:47:56	MrElendig	all of them
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2022-12-20 13:51:47	andi_	anybody can recommend setting up a tensorflow/bazel toolchain for arch?
2022-12-20 13:53:04	MrElendig	container
2022-12-20 13:53:33	MrElendig	andi_: ^
2022-12-20 13:53:43	andi_	MrElendig: really?
2022-12-20 13:54:00	andi_	so don't install anything and just use docker instead?
2022-12-20 13:54:09	MrElendig	can be a lot less painful
2022-12-20 13:54:20	andi_	also viable for cuda?
2022-12-20 13:54:20	MrElendig	s/docker/podman/ but yes :)
2022-12-20 13:54:41	MrElendig	other than that, see the wiki
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2022-12-20 13:56:03	andi_	MrElendig: just to be double sure, podman because of the rootless interface right?
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2022-12-20 13:57:48	v9fk	MrElendig: which base image you recommend? arch/alpine/... or does not matter?
2022-12-20 13:57:49	MrElendig	amongst other advantages, yes
2022-12-20 13:58:44	MrElendig	bazel has a container guide for docker, not too hard to convert it to podman and optionally buildah
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2022-12-20 13:59:20	andi_	yeah, i'd prefere a local solution but right now i'm running into segfaults from gcc which is an odd place to be
2022-12-20 13:59:47	andi_	but i also thought about container, it looks like something small changed and now it's a all a mess :D
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2022-12-20 14:08:03	grawity	does `modinfo vfat` find the filesystem module for -hardened then?
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2022-12-20 14:09:28	ℹ 	Telvana es conocido ahora como Rob
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2022-12-20 14:11:53	grawity	then the result of modinfo is irrelevant because it's looking for a different kernel's modules
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2022-12-20 14:14:05	grawity	yes
2022-12-20 14:14:19	grawity	but I'd mostly check whether it's the same kernel version
2022-12-20 14:14:33	grawity	i.e. what version of -hardened are you booting, according to `uname -r` in that shell
2022-12-20 14:14:40	grawity	vs what version of modules you have in `ls /lib/modules`
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2022-12-20 14:58:09	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-20 14:58:09	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1457 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1456 normals)
2022-12-20 14:58:09	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-20 15:06:31	Scimmia	h4rd3n3d: nothing in the paste, but if you have a kernel/modules mismatch, it's usually from not having /boot mounted when you updated it. Either that or the bootloader is looking at the wrong place
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2022-12-20 15:06:53	Scimmia	oh, there it came up
2022-12-20 15:08:09	Scimmia	had to refresh 3 times for some reason
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2022-12-20 15:08:51	Scimmia	but anyway, use 'file' to make sure the kernel image is the version you expect, if it is, your bootloader is the problem
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2022-12-20 15:11:04	Hello_World	Hiyas! Just wondering, has anyone gotten transparent electron windows to run in archlinux? People from other distros seem to report that using "--enable-transparent-visuals --disable-gpu" fixes it, but that seems to do nothing here, even when downgrading to their electron version
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2022-12-20 15:12:31	Scimmia	fstab doesn't matter, and grub will have separate entries, so that it works for some doesn't matter
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2022-12-20 15:16:00	Scimmia	as I said, check the kernel image that you think you're booting with file
2022-12-20 15:16:37	Scimmia	if it's the wrong version, that partition wasn't mounted when you updated. You need to reinstall the kernel
2022-12-20 15:16:52	Scimmia	if it's the right version, that's not the one your bootloader is using, so the config is wrong
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2022-12-20 15:23:43	Scimmia	so that's the right version, but that's not the one your booloader is loading
2022-12-20 15:24:53	Scimmia	so fix it
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2022-12-20 15:29:34	Scimmia	have you actually looked at the config?
2022-12-20 15:29:50	Scimmia	and where is it loading the kernel from?
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2022-12-20 19:13:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-20 19:13:12	ℹ 	Tema establecido por alad (alad@archlinux/op/alad) el jue, 28 jul 2022 19:12:50
2022-12-20 19:13:12	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1467 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1466 normals)
2022-12-20 19:13:12	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-12-20 19:13:14	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2022-12-20 19:13:14	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-20 19:15:34	jkc	Everything except basic security measures.
2022-12-20 19:15:36	Scimmia	2 main things there, it has to be redistributable and a TU or Dev has to be interested in maintaining it
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2022-12-20 19:18:34	coruja	is there something like a place kind of packages wishlist (except for aur votes)?
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2022-12-20 19:19:57	bookworm	/dev/null 
2022-12-20 19:20:00	coruja	anyway, mentioning wishes here won't change anything
2022-12-20 19:20:31	bookworm	best option, grab a couple of beers, go to Fosdem and meet two TU's to sponsor you ;)
2022-12-20 19:20:41	bookworm	(or whatever the new name is now)
2022-12-20 19:21:27	keir	Package Maintainers
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2022-12-20 19:24:36	SysGhost	I looked around, but... I can't find any license agreement / TOS for the zoom client/software.
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2022-12-20 19:26:21	SysGhost	oh wait... here it is. https://explore.zoom.us/en/terms/
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2022-12-20 19:26:44	SysGhost	" You may not reproduce, resell, or distribute the Services or any reports or data generated by the Services for any purpose unless You have been specifically permitted to do so under a separate agreement with Zoom."
2022-12-20 19:26:50	SysGhost	Well... that settles that.
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2022-12-20 19:31:23	linux_dream	hi people I face a problem while updating my system. corrupted files
2022-12-20 19:31:47	linux_dream	https://bpa.st/TPZTI
2022-12-20 19:31:47	phrik	Title: View paste TPZTI (at bpa.st)
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2022-12-20 19:32:24	Scimmia	linux_dream: see the topic
2022-12-20 19:32:34	linux_dream	where?
2022-12-20 19:32:40	linux_dream	I went to arch linux website first
2022-12-20 19:32:45	Scimmia	here
2022-12-20 19:32:46	linux_dream	before coming here. I didn't see anything
2022-12-20 19:32:49	linux_dream	oh
2022-12-20 19:33:37	linux_dream	hmm?
2022-12-20 19:33:42	linux_dream	so what... should I do ?
2022-12-20 19:34:26	coruja	!give linux_dream topic #archlinux
2022-12-20 19:34:26	phrik	linux_dream: Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
2022-12-20 19:34:54	linux_dream	!paste https://bpa.st/TPZTI
2022-12-20 19:34:55	phrik	linux_dream: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
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2022-12-20 19:35:06	linux_dream	damn. I don't get what I should do
2022-12-20 19:35:13	coruja	linux_dream: the topic's last section
2022-12-20 19:35:33	coruja	and calm down please :)
2022-12-20 19:35:59	SysGhost	!paste
2022-12-20 19:36:00	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-12-20 19:36:13	linux_dream	ty guys
2022-12-20 19:36:16	linux_dream	problem fixed
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2022-12-20 19:36:50	SysGhost	neat!best kind of problems are those that's solved before we get to know what it is. \o/
2022-12-20 19:36:54	SysGhost	!next
2022-12-20 19:36:56	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2022-12-20 19:39:10	linux_dream	I am installing steam on an AMD laptop (my intel desktop has intel integrated GPU and the game I play isn't compatible anymore)
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2022-12-20 19:39:43	linux_dream	I am asked which version of vulkan drivers I wish to install.... I have a doubt between number 1 and radeon
2022-12-20 19:39:45	linux_dream	) amdvlk  2) nvidia-utils  3) vulkan-intel  4) vulkan-radeon  5) vulkan-swrast
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2022-12-20 19:39:56	linux_dream	my gpu is radeon
2022-12-20 19:40:02	linux_dream	but also AMD
2022-12-20 19:40:11	SysGhost	which model?
2022-12-20 19:40:25	linux_dream	GPU: AMD ATI Radeon Vega Series / Rade
2022-12-20 19:40:51	SysGhost	amdvlk then. But you can also use vulkan-radeon 
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2022-12-20 19:41:36	linux_dream	I see... I'll try radeon
2022-12-20 19:41:45	Namarrgon	amdvlk is generally a bad choice
2022-12-20 19:42:06	SysGhost	How so?
2022-12-20 19:42:17	Namarrgon	more bugs, fewer features
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2022-12-20 19:43:20	SysGhost	vulkan-radeon is kinda buggy for me though
2022-12-20 19:43:38	SysGhost	glitching and weird textures
2022-12-20 19:43:43	Namarrgon	on which gpu?
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2022-12-20 19:43:51	SysGhost	Radeon Rx580
2022-12-20 19:44:01	Namarrgon	i have the opposite experience
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2022-12-20 19:44:22	SysGhost	either way I have learned one can us one or the other. and Stick with the one that works best.
2022-12-20 19:44:50	SysGhost	afaik, vulkan-radeon is based on older? code
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2022-12-20 19:46:19	SysGhost	I use both. Some games works better with radeon-vulkan, and others better with amdvlk. 
2022-12-20 19:47:21	linux_dream	place your bets. will War Selection work on my laptop?
2022-12-20 19:47:28	linux_dream	steam is updating itself...
2022-12-20 19:47:32	SysGhost	I switch between them with the vulkan prefix commands: vk_amdvlk and vk_radv
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2022-12-20 19:48:57	SysGhost	linux_dream: should work. Itr has a native linux client
2022-12-20 19:49:22	linux_dream	ltr?
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2022-12-20 19:49:36	linux_dream	what's that
2022-12-20 19:49:39	teraflops	1lI
2022-12-20 19:49:42	SysGhost	sorry... mistyped. 
2022-12-20 19:49:48	SysGhost	It has*
2022-12-20 19:50:10	⚡ 	SysGhost glares at his silly keyboard. Typing what he's typing instead of what he wants to type.
2022-12-20 19:50:24	linux_dream	yeah but it doesn't work anymore with intel gpu on linux
2022-12-20 19:50:32	MortimerHoughton	Anyone familiar with tlp?  I'm having an issue with it killing bluetooth while on battery.  I've tried modifying several settings, but no luck yet
2022-12-20 19:50:42	MortimerHoughton	here is what I've changed so far: https://paste.rs/pRc
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2022-12-20 19:53:04	SysGhost	MortimerHoughton: Check with powertop and see if that hardware still got power saving features turned on
2022-12-20 19:54:25	ℹ 	keypushe- es conocido ahora como keypusher
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2022-12-20 19:58:17	MortimerHoughton	SysGhost: Radio device: btusb does go to 0% usage
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2022-12-20 19:59:47	MortimerHoughton	and "Bluetooth device interface status" is marked as Good
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2022-12-20 20:00:24	SysGhost	switch it to "bad" and see it the behaviour changes
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2022-12-20 20:00:32	MortimerHoughton	As is the the usb device I have identified as my bluetooth radio "13d3:3491"
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2022-12-20 20:01:01	teraflops	MortimerHoughton: mind pasting the whole file instead of a diff?
2022-12-20 20:01:11	MortimerHoughton	sure
2022-12-20 20:01:19	SysGhost	some bluetooth devices just don't handle power saving under open source drivers well, if at all.
2022-12-20 20:02:31	MortimerHoughton	Whole file: https://paste.rs/ik9
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2022-12-20 20:03:15	MortimerHoughton	Powertop was able to change the the usb device to Bad, but didn't have any effect on changing the setting for the Bluetooth device interface status
2022-12-20 20:03:38	MortimerHoughton	This change did not fix the bluetooth issue
2022-12-20 20:04:05	MortimerHoughton	I've got to go right now, but I'll come back to chat on it more later
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2022-12-20 20:06:52	haroon	evening I'm having trouble getting my intel igpu to work. It doesn't seem to load any driver for the igpu. and sddm sais it cant read display number from pipe. http://ix.io/4j8R
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2022-12-20 20:09:14	adumb	haroon: what igpu? do you have multiple gpus?
2022-12-20 20:10:38	haroon	i have a intel 13600k igpu and I also have a nvidia rtx 2080ti in a pcie slot, however no monitor is connected to the dgpu
2022-12-20 20:12:12	CubeTheThird	what do you get with: lspci | grep VGA
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2022-12-20 20:15:06	haroon	00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Raptor Lake-S UHD Graphics (rev 04)
2022-12-20 20:15:08	haroon	01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation TU102 [GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Rev. A] (rev a1)
2022-12-20 20:15:10	haroon	y
2022-12-20 20:15:38	CubeTheThird	ok good, so your GPU is enabled and recognized
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2022-12-21 10:18:05	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-21 10:18:05	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1446 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1445 normals)
2022-12-21 04:07:04	ectospasm	I saw a similar thing in the break room at my current employer, and they had a plaque that said they can install this in your home.
2022-12-21 04:07:15	ectospasm	So I called them and have been nothing but happy about it ever since!
2022-12-21 04:07:19	ectospasm	I drink a LOT of water.
2022-12-21 04:07:32	ectospasm	Used to drink even more, when I was on that scary medicine.
2022-12-21 04:10:39	ectospasm	It's a lot less wasteful than bottled water, and is better than most bottled waters anyway.
2022-12-21 04:10:57	ectospasm	I don't mind tap water most places, but this makes it really easy
2022-12-21 04:11:23	ectospasm	we even have it hooked up to the ice maker in the fridge, so the ice is the same quality as the water out of this fountain.
2022-12-21 04:15:43	vi-o-lisp	err. awesomewm doesn't have chan here, but my cursor stopped ... showing up properly. I use BMZ. Updated a week ago. After it wasn't the same. It's adwaita now. If I use lxappearance, it changes back for most things like firefox and desktop (root), but if I restart, it switches back. In .xinitrc, I use xsetroot to set the cursor to left_pointer, but maybe I could somehow specify further which
2022-12-21 04:15:45	vi-o-lisp	cursor to use?
2022-12-21 04:16:10	vi-o-lisp	.icons defaut dot whatever has the cursor theme set properly too
2022-12-21 04:17:29	vi-o-lisp	also urxvt always has adwaita. kinda annoying me. I even set Xcursor.theme in xresources
2022-12-21 04:18:39	ectospasm	hmmmm, last time I used awesomewm it was so buggy it was unusable.  Are you settled on using awesomewm?
2022-12-21 04:19:02	vi-o-lisp	I meannnnnn I have used probably every tiling wm, and I have settled on this yeah
2022-12-21 04:19:56	marcopolo1_	Isnt bspwm the best
2022-12-21 04:20:06	ectospasm	You have to xrdb -merge to get changes to .Xresources to take effect, that or restart X
2022-12-21 04:20:12	vi-o-lisp	I know
2022-12-21 04:20:18	ectospasm	marcopolo1_: we're not trying to have a holy war here.
2022-12-21 04:20:35	vi-o-lisp	isn't emacs the best text editor? (jk I use nvim)
2022-12-21 04:20:55	ectospasm	I use vim, but I admit I'm a forced convert to vi/vim.
2022-12-21 04:21:02	vi-o-lisp	actually, butterflies are the best for editing
2022-12-21 04:21:16	vi-o-lisp	https://xkcd.com/378/
2022-12-21 04:21:18	phrik	Title: xkcd: Real Programmers (at xkcd.com)
2022-12-21 04:21:35	marcopolo1_	I just use notepad++ on windows
2022-12-21 04:21:57	ectospasm	If I have notepad++ available to me I'll use it, but most times I just use Notepad.
2022-12-21 04:21:59	vi-o-lisp	I might switch back to dwm or xmonad or bspwm or i3. I just like having rounded corners and lua config :<
2022-12-21 04:22:22	vi-o-lisp	I am an extreme minimalist, but round corners ... idk ... I like
2022-12-21 04:22:37	vi-o-lisp	very lightly rounded
2022-12-21 04:23:50	vi-o-lisp	don't murder me for pasting pic of this chan's hist https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1025248150375628851/1054962224004866078/Screenshot_2022-12-20_222258.png
2022-12-21 04:25:56	ectospasm	Rounded corners look a bit gimmicky, but there's no right or wrong taste.
2022-12-21 04:26:01	ectospasm	For most tastes, anyway.
2022-12-21 04:26:18	vi-o-lisp	well, that's annoying. awesome does have some channel on like oftc or something, and I think I have an oftc weechat server set up, but they're not helpful
2022-12-21 04:26:42	vi-o-lisp	it's not gimmicky. you're gimmicky
2022-12-21 04:26:51	⚡ 	vi-o-lisp drops mic
2022-12-21 04:26:54	ectospasm	To each their own.
2022-12-21 04:27:56	ectospasm	I'm pretty minimalist myself.  I use XMonad.  You will pry my xmonad.hs out of my cold, dead hands.  I've got too much blood, sweat, and tears in my XMonad config that I will never give it up.
2022-12-21 04:28:31	vi-o-lisp	so much work
2022-12-21 04:28:43	ectospasm	Well, it's grown over 15 years or so.
2022-12-21 04:29:06	marcopolo1_	What can it do
2022-12-21 04:29:14	ectospasm	What no one has been able to tell me is whether other tiling WMs have dynamic, named workspaces.
2022-12-21 04:29:17	vi-o-lisp	I would use dwm if applying patches wasn't awful after each git pull & re-make
2022-12-21 04:29:51	ectospasm	macOS definitely doesn't have them in what they call Mission Control, but I do use that heavily anyway.
2022-12-21 04:30:13	ectospasm	But that is likely no longer a requirement of mine.
2022-12-21 04:30:37	ectospasm	Mostly I'd just set up another tmuxp profile, and have a session dedicated to what I used to use XMonad dynamic workspaces for.
2022-12-21 04:31:37	vi-o-lisp	oh yeah. I have dwm installed too. default dwm. its cursor is adwaita too instead of bmz. the gtk3 and .icons stuff is set properly .. :(
2022-12-21 04:31:43	Koragg	that looks like awesome (which was probably said and I overlooked it), but what is the client in that screenshot?
2022-12-21 04:31:49	marcopolo1_	All tilingwm are the same
2022-12-21 04:32:15	vi-o-lisp	what is this channel
2022-12-21 04:33:00	thumbs	vi-o-lisp: have you read the /topic ?
2022-12-21 04:33:27	vi-o-lisp	hehe yeah I meant in a rhetorical sense. You scared me for a sec thumbs
2022-12-21 04:33:45	vi-o-lisp	thumbs, did you have a bnc set up a while ago or was that tools? dammit. that was tools. I always get you too mixed up
2022-12-21 05:02:18	vi-o-lisp	I fixed it for everything but urxvtc
2022-12-21 05:02:44	ectospasm	I stopped using urxvtc when I discovered Alacritty.
2022-12-21 05:03:03	vi-o-lisp	congrats?
2022-12-21 05:03:04	ectospasm	Much easier to configure (well, if you can tolerate YAML)
2022-12-21 05:03:29	ectospasm	Alacritty is so much faster, and doesn't have the weird problems urxvtc would have
2022-12-21 05:03:35	ectospasm	especially when fonts get upgraded.
2022-12-21 05:03:56	vi-o-lisp	urxvtc (and the daemon) use like 50 times fewer resources
2022-12-21 05:04:13	vi-o-lisp	(for all clients)
2022-12-21 05:04:41	ectospasm	I've found that I only need one terminal emulator window, I do everything in tmux now.
2022-12-21 05:05:18	vi-o-lisp	I'm glad that works for you
2022-12-21 05:07:51	ectospasm	I just got tired of having to remember how to fix urxvt whenever the fonts would get all screwy after a standard software upgrade.
2022-12-21 05:08:16	ectospasm	Alacritty has had no such problems
2022-12-21 05:11:28	ectospasm	On macOS I did have a similar problem with Alacritty, but that's because I had upgraded the major version of macOS, and I had to rescan all of my user fonts in Font Book.
2022-12-21 05:11:44	ectospasm	And the fonts weren't really screwed up in Alacritty, it just printed a warning that they were.
2022-12-21 05:19:45	vi-o-lisp	myahaha. export XCURSOR_THEME="BMZ-cursor" in .zprofile fixed it. for the record, I uninstalled and reinstalled bmz from aur and that made things work again. then the env var fixed for urxvt :)
2022-12-21 05:20:30	ectospasm	!next
2022-12-21 05:20:30	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-12-21 06:24:49	arch-nemesis	I had to stop using tiling, as much as I prefer them I had started getting carpel tunnel in my hand from pressing the meta key with my left thumb. Realized to continue using tiling wm's I was going to need to make a lot more adjustments.
2022-12-21 06:25:42	ev0catus	never purchase a macbook then
2022-12-21 06:25:59	ev0catus	which is generally good advice anyway
2022-12-21 06:35:17	arch-nemesis	I am one of those weirdos who has only ever used Linux. When I was growing up, we didn't have a computer (even though this was late enough that we definitely should have), and when I entered the workforce I worked on Solaris. Never have used a mac aside from just whenever I've used someone else's lol.
2022-12-21 06:35:59	arch-nemesis	I mean Linux at home, of course Solaris isn't Linux. lol.
2022-12-21 06:42:52	arch-nemesis	I used to be really into gimicky graphics, like with comiz fusion cube and all that. Then I went minimalist like everyone else and used all tiling WMs for years. Now...I got my xfce and my stupid xpenguins turtles floating around like it's the 90s. 
2022-12-21 06:44:26	tralala	is aur down or is it just me?
2022-12-21 06:45:51	arch-nemesis	the aur website is up...
2022-12-21 06:46:00	a3lius	it's just you
2022-12-21 06:46:14	tralala	hmmm
2022-12-21 06:46:27	Edu4rdSHL	You can always use something like https://check-host.net :)
2022-12-21 06:46:28	phrik	Title: Check server: Check host - online website monitoring (at check-host.net)
2022-12-21 06:48:07	tralala	I wonder if I got banned trying to upload a package.
2022-12-21 06:54:23	DarkFeather	<.<
2022-12-21 09:05:26	pulec	this is strange
2022-12-21 09:05:29	pulec	I'm trying https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Solid_state_drive/Memory_cell_clearing
2022-12-21 09:05:30	phrik	Title: Solid state drive/Memory cell clearing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-21 09:05:43	pulec	device is not frozen, I can set the pass, but I can't secure-erase
2022-12-21 09:06:20	pulec	on hdparm --secure-erase: SG_IO: bad/missing sense data, sb[]:  70 00 01 00 00 00 00 0a 00 00 00 00 00 1d 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
2022-12-21 09:07:29	pulec	oh wait, something wrong with setting the password itself
2022-12-21 09:09:17	pulec	hm nope, enabled the password and did erase and same thing
2022-12-21 09:09:54	mpan	pulec: what drive is that?
2022-12-21 09:10:09	pulec	m.2 sata
2022-12-21 09:10:15	mpan	I mean the model.
2022-12-21 09:10:32	pulec	it worked fine on other drive
2022-12-21 09:10:41	pulec	[ 6149.606145] scsi 8:0:0:0: Direct-Access     SAMSUNG  MZNLN256HAJQ-000 1507 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6
2022-12-21 09:11:05	pulec	ono ono, I set the pass and disconnected the drive and thigns are bork now
2022-12-21 09:11:36	mpan	The other drive is exactly the same model?
2022-12-21 09:13:04	pulec	no that was some intel 180g
2022-12-21 09:13:11	pulec	mpan: why is this important?
2022-12-21 09:14:26	mpan	pulec: because not all drives support ATA Secure Erase.
2022-12-21 09:16:15	pulec	bork
2022-12-21 09:16:21	pulec	now I locked the drive out somehow
2022-12-21 09:17:19	mpan	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/OPAL
2022-12-21 09:17:20	phrik	Title: Self-encrypting drives - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-21 09:19:19	pulec	oh no big bork
2022-12-21 09:19:31	mpan	Some of them do not offer ability to be erased by means other than removing a encryption key. Also note that the implementation has been shown to be either broken or faked in many drives, so you still must fill it with random data.
2022-12-21 09:22:43	pulec	I am using it off usb reader, something might be off with that
2022-12-21 09:22:54	pulec	in worst case I just killed a perfectly good 256gig ssd
2022-12-21 09:23:17	pulec	[ 6875.874266] I/O error, dev sdd, sector 0 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x0 phys_seg 1 prio class 2
2022-12-21 09:23:20	pulec	bad bad bad
2022-12-21 09:27:26	mpan	Oh, if that’s through USB you will not get ATA commands.
2022-12-21 09:27:39	LimeOn	Hello. I have recieved this meesage in the loading screen: "initramfs unpacking failed: ZSTD-compressed data is truncated" and then anothe rline says "/init : line 6 : usr/lib/systemd-udev/ not found" . Should i worry about it? It happened after a update. I remember some kind of notification in the lasts updates that says that the boot partition is full or something like that
2022-12-21 09:27:44	mpan	pulec: ↑↑
2022-12-21 09:28:13	mpan	LimeOn: did you have any errors during the update, which would indicate mkinitcpio failed?
2022-12-21 09:28:17	pulec	mpan: but it worked with the other drive in same usb thingy!
2022-12-21 09:28:27	mpan	LimeOn: but your description suggests that you did.
2022-12-21 09:28:37	LimeOn	yes, something about that
2022-12-21 09:28:46	pulec	so how much free space in /boot ?
2022-12-21 09:28:50	mpan	pulec: hmm. Then dunno. I tell you I am more surprised that it worked than that it doesn’t work now.
2022-12-21 09:28:50	LimeOn	and full /boto i imagine
2022-12-21 09:29:01	LimeOn	 --> /boot*
2022-12-21 09:29:02	pulec	mpan: ha!
2022-12-21 09:29:04	mpan	LimeOn: then you have the cause.
2022-12-21 09:29:26	LimeOn	Would that cause me troubles to log in in the future?
2022-12-21 09:29:29	mpan	LimeOn: there is no space left on /boot to store  the images.
2022-12-21 09:29:46	mpan	LimeOn: sure… there is nothing to boot to start wit.
2022-12-21 09:29:49	mpan	with*
2022-12-21 09:29:52	pulec	I would suggest increasing your /boot size
2022-12-21 09:29:55	LimeOn	hmm
2022-12-21 09:30:03	pulec	afaik you can also just delete the images, well back them up
2022-12-21 09:30:04	pulec	and rebuild
2022-12-21 09:30:09	mpan	LimeOn: how big is your /boot and is that a BIOS or UEFI system?
2022-12-21 09:30:12	pulec	mkinitcpio -p linux a sroot
2022-12-21 09:31:22	mpan	pulec: rebuilding will not change much, considering that they do not fit the partition.
2022-12-21 09:31:24	LimeOn	100mb iirc, pulec
2022-12-21 09:31:31	LimeOn	i imagine thats very bad
2022-12-21 09:32:11	pulec	mpan: if they remove the images they will have space for new, I had the same silly situation
2022-12-21 09:32:21	pulec	LimeOn: that's the full size or free space?
2022-12-21 09:32:25	mpan	pulec: the space is occupied by the images to be generated.
2022-12-21 09:32:52	mpan	LimeOn: that will hardly suffice. If possible, grow the partition.
2022-12-21 09:33:28	mpan	LimeOn: if not possible, do you have any images generated other than linux?
2022-12-21 09:38:42	mpan	Note that you can the current images into 41M. So it may be possible to go with a smaller partition. But it will be more work.
2022-12-21 09:41:45	LimeOn	Well, i have windows too, so i have several EFI system partitions
2022-12-21 09:41:59	LimeOn	im almost sure the one of arch is the 100mb
2022-12-21 09:42:55	LimeOn	Is it possible to increase the partition size without swiping it out?
2022-12-21 09:43:15	LimeOn	Im considering that i should do some kind of fresh instalation, im not really good at this :9
2022-12-21 09:43:50	LimeOn	But this time with 1GB for the boot 
2022-12-21 09:46:36	mpan	Growing partition is foremost the question of whether you have space after that partition to grow it.
2022-12-21 09:47:32	LimeOn	The problem is: i have to shrink another one
2022-12-21 09:47:45	LimeOn	i mean, theres no "free space", its all asigned
2022-12-21 09:48:07	susi	I recently removed a swap partition (moved to zram-backed swap), and things were smooth because the swap used to be on the same LVM vg, before /
2022-12-21 09:48:15	mpan	Ok, so the option with resizing /boot is out.
2022-12-21 09:48:43	LimeOn	what about reducing linux swap?
2022-12-21 09:48:54	mpan	Dunno what susi meant, I see no connection.
2022-12-21 09:49:06	LimeOn	i have 8gb in there, maybe i can remove 1
2022-12-21 09:50:00	mpan	Is swap exactly after the ESP?
2022-12-21 09:50:14	LimeOn	nope
2022-12-21 09:50:21	mpan	Then it’s not relevant for this case.
2022-12-21 09:50:57	susi	I couldn't know limeon's partition ordering
2022-12-21 09:51:09	susi	just wanted to share this, because it could have been relevant
2022-12-21 09:51:27	mpan	Now, you said it’s UEFI. I do not have experience with UEFI, but the mention of “arch partition” sounds weird from what I know: it’s a single partition for all images.
2022-12-21 09:51:48	mpan	susi: yep, and I asked a second question to see if that observation might help.
2022-12-21 09:52:23	mpan	LimeOn: could you please clarify on that?
2022-12-21 09:52:24	SysGhost	The ESP: "EFI System Partition"
2022-12-21 09:52:50	LimeOn	When i ran sudo fdisk -l 
2022-12-21 09:52:59	LimeOn	I have 3: "EFI System"
2022-12-21 09:53:03	LimeOn	partitions
2022-12-21 09:53:13	mpan	SysGhost: could you clarify it to me?
2022-12-21 09:53:17	SysGhost	personally I mount the ESP as /boot . One can also have aseparate /boot, and then mount the ESP as /boot/EFI
2022-12-21 09:53:33	SysGhost	the latter is overdoing it imho
2022-12-21 09:53:48	mpan	LimeOn: we may likely shrink your linux images, but the problem is it will grow again with time, so to give best advice it’s worth seeing if it can be addressed in a different way.
2022-12-21 09:54:16	mpan	But for that it’s also important to know if it’s only the linux images that take space or not.
2022-12-21 09:54:21	SysGhost	the ESP partition is what all operating systems use as initial boot partition, including Windows. Each system only have one ESP, although one *can* have multiple ones with a few tricks.
2022-12-21 09:54:46	SysGhost	it's always formatted as FAT32
2022-12-21 09:54:52	Tom^	just redneck it and remove the fallback initramfs should save some space :p
2022-12-21 09:54:58	mpan	That’s what I always believes, so the mention of “Arch ESP” being 100MB is weird to me.
2022-12-21 09:55:06	LimeOn	i think i have 3, SysGhost :D
2022-12-21 09:55:13	mpan	Tom^: indeed, but not needed. I have both, at 41MB. :)
2022-12-21 09:55:14	LimeOn	i used to have other linux instalations
2022-12-21 09:55:46	mpan	LimeOn: ok, let’s approach that from a different direction.
2022-12-21 09:56:08	mpan	LimeOn: where is file named “initramfs-linux.img” located in your “/boot” ?
2022-12-21 09:57:43	mpan	find /boot -name 'initramfs-linux.img'
2022-12-21 09:57:52	LimeOn	at /boot
2022-12-21 09:57:57	mpan	ok
2022-12-21 09:58:02	LimeOn	--> /boot/initramfs-linux.img
2022-12-21 09:58:12	LimeOn	52,7mb is the weight
2022-12-21 09:58:24	LimeOn	so my partition has 100mb,
2022-12-21 09:58:27	mpan	What the size column says in: df -h /boot
2022-12-21 09:58:32	LimeOn	ans 512 bytes left o.O
2022-12-21 09:58:47	LimeOn	93M   93M   512 100% /boot
2022-12-21 09:59:23	mpan	What other files are there in “/boot”?
2022-12-21 09:59:29	mpan	Just the top-level directory.
2022-12-21 10:00:01	LimeOn	EFI   grub   initramfs-linux-fallback.img   initramfs-linux.img  'System Volume Information'   vmlinuz-linux
2022-12-21 10:00:06	mpan	ok
2022-12-21 10:00:32	mpan	With the most recent update, more hooks have been enabled by default while building the images.
2022-12-21 10:01:10	kidnextdoor	another systemd update? where are the official repos for the stuff i want guys?
2022-12-21 10:01:55	mpan	Did you notice that, when merging “/etc/mkinitcpio.conf.pacnew” ?
2022-12-21 10:02:09	mpan	And, if yes, which of them did you include in your HOOKS line?
2022-12-21 10:02:30	LimeOn	You mean me, mpan?
2022-12-21 10:02:32	mpan	Yes
2022-12-21 10:02:47	LimeOn	I dont remember exactly, but i have seen something about pacnew, yes
2022-12-21 10:02:52	LimeOn	and mergin things
2022-12-21 10:03:10	mpan	LimeOn: in “/etc/mkinitcpio.conf”, what do you have in your HOOKS line?
2022-12-21 10:03:35	LimeOn	HOOKS=(base udev autodetect modconf kms keyboard keymap consolefont block filesystems fsck)
2022-12-21 10:03:39	LimeOn	that line?
2022-12-21 10:03:41	mpan	Yes
2022-12-21 10:03:47	SysGhost	100 meg for the ESP is too small. It was the default size of Windows 7 back in those days. Nowadays I'd say 512 MiB is a sweet spot for the ESP size.
2022-12-21 10:04:06	mpan	To start with, kms is one of the new ones and will add substantially to the image.
2022-12-21 10:04:18	Tom^	isnt fat32 minimum size 256mb?
2022-12-21 10:04:21	Tom^	O_o
2022-12-21 10:04:26	mpan	Tom^: no
2022-12-21 10:04:33	mpan	Oh, wait. FAT32. Dunno
2022-12-21 10:05:11	mpan	LimeOn: see <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Mkinitcpio#Common_hooks>. Check which hooks you may need, with the particular strees on IF you need the kms hook.
2022-12-21 10:05:12	phrik	Title: mkinitcpio - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-21 10:05:19	SysGhost	FAT32 can be quite small. 10 megs is one so desire... if not even smaller
2022-12-21 10:06:02	LimeOn	Would that mean i will have continue with this problem in the close future with this approach? mpan
2022-12-21 10:06:27	LimeOn	That looks like "reduce" the load, but i still have those 100mb
2022-12-21 10:06:36	SysGhost	But for a 4k cluster size, 256 Megs is the minimum. but with a much smaller cluster size it can be even smaller
2022-12-21 10:06:58	mpan	LimeOn: yes, you will.
2022-12-21 10:07:09	mpan	But I am myself running at half-full 128M /boot…
2022-12-21 10:07:22	LimeOn	Then the wiser thing would be to rebuild it again,right?
2022-12-21 10:07:24	mpan	And that is with the fallback image enabled.
2022-12-21 10:07:36	mpan	LimeOn: yes
2022-12-21 10:07:46	LimeOn	I see, im currently updating my arch image :D
2022-12-21 10:07:54	LimeOn	1GB will be enough?
2022-12-21 10:07:59	mpan	Yes
2022-12-21 10:08:07	SysGhost	for most cases indeed
2022-12-21 10:08:15	LimeOn	Thank you very much for your time fellas
2022-12-21 10:08:24	LimeOn	I was worried about starting the pc one day
2022-12-21 10:08:27	mpan	ok, so I assume you do not want to continue with fixing it as it is?
2022-12-21 10:08:29	LimeOn	and did not boot
2022-12-21 10:08:42	LimeOn	i dont think so mpan, im a bit newbie to touch those things :)
2022-12-21 10:08:53	LimeOn	i dont want to screw it in a bad way
2022-12-21 10:09:03	mpan	Not really. The worst thing that can happen is you will not be able to boot… which is where you are now. :P
2022-12-21 10:09:29	LimeOn	But i really apreciate the approach, but in the end i always have to reinstall lol
2022-12-21 10:09:34	mpan	The only way to stop being newbie is fighting with problems. ;)
2022-12-21 10:09:37	SysGhost	Also keep in mind: efibootmgr <-- neat tool to manage the nvram area that contaons the boot entries themselves
2022-12-21 10:09:38	mpan	ok
2022-12-21 10:09:48	SysGhost	contains*
2022-12-21 10:12:56	arturix222	Testing this
2022-12-21 10:13:02	arturix222	Anyone here?
2022-12-21 10:13:15	mpan	arturix222: hello, yes.
2022-12-21 10:13:29	mpan	arturix222: welcome to #archlinux on Libera IRC network.
2022-12-21 10:13:31	⚡ 	SysGhost is spooking around
2022-12-21 10:13:37	arturix222	Aight nice looks like this works!
2022-12-21 10:13:54	arturix222	Time to convert my friends to irc
2022-12-21 10:14:04	SysGhost	oh dear
2022-12-21 10:14:10	mpan	Poor friends.
2022-12-21 10:14:36	SysGhost	arturix222: https://xkcd.com/1782/
2022-12-21 10:14:38	phrik	Title: xkcd: Team Chat (at xkcd.com)
2022-12-21 10:14:52	kidnextdoor	#longliveirc
2022-12-21 10:15:12	kidnextdoor	we are the world, we are the children
2022-12-21 10:15:43	mpan	kidnextdoor: any questions to ask?
2022-12-21 10:15:51	kidnextdoor	sorry boss, no, dont kick me
2022-12-21 10:16:30	machaddr	How to extract words from pacman output? For an example extract "community/pcre"?
2022-12-21 10:16:55	mpan	machaddr: an output of what command *exactly*?
2022-12-21 10:17:32	sheep	if you want to script things based on the sync and local databases in pacman, you should probably use expac instead of trying to parse pacman'soutput
2022-12-21 10:17:53	mpan	Some commands, like those in -Q, give computer-readable data. Hence I ask about the exact command.
2022-12-21 10:18:05	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-21 10:18:22	machaddr	mpan: example here: sudo pacman -Ss perl | "extract words community/perl" | xargs sudo pacman -S
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2022-12-21 10:18:49	mpan	machaddr: output of -Ss is meant for humans, not machines. For that follow sheep’s advice and use `expac`.
2022-12-21 10:19:05	mpan	Or libalpm directly (perhaps over the Python interface).
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2022-12-21 10:19:32	machaddr	I would like to install all packages from perl
2022-12-21 10:19:41	machaddr	On Archlinux
2022-12-21 10:19:48	mpan	That doesn’t change the answer.
2022-12-21 10:19:55	sheep	why do you need to do that?
2022-12-21 10:20:23	machaddr	Because I will be offline and need to have some packages
2022-12-21 10:20:24	mpan	Also, installing all perl packages as explicit packages is a pretty poor choice.
2022-12-21 10:20:48	sheep	you almost certainly don't need most perl packages outside of the core perl distribution
2022-12-21 10:21:22	sheep	but if you do want to do that, use expac to get the list of packages instead of pacman
2022-12-21 10:21:49	sheep	I don't have an arch system on hand so i can't look up what arguments to give to expac
2022-12-21 10:22:30	mpan	expac -Ss
2022-12-21 10:22:35	mpan	(+format)
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2022-12-21 10:25:30	mpan	expac -Ss '%r\t%n' perl | grep -E 'community\sperl' | cut -f 2
2022-12-21 10:25:40	mpan	Which of course will return WRONG results, but this is what OP asked for.
2022-12-21 10:26:32	mpan	`expac -Ss '%r\t%n' perl | grep -E 'community\sperl-' | cut -f 2` would probably be a bit better, but — again — with all the comments already delivered, this is a horrible idea.
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2022-12-21 10:28:39	machaddr	Thanks, it worked out! mpan
2022-12-21 10:28:49	mpan	At least make a metapackage for that.
2022-12-21 10:29:09	machaddr	Sure
2022-12-21 10:29:16	mpan	Because feeding the output directly to `pacman -S -` will yield unmaintainable mess.
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2022-12-21 10:30:37	mpan	Also note that you do not need OR WANT xargs in this case. `pacman -S -` reads from stdin.
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2022-12-21 10:36:07	machaddr	I gave the command "xargs sudo pacman -S --noconfirm" and it worked, many thanks again
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2022-12-21 10:37:34	luigibu	hi there! how can i do this persistent: sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
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2022-12-21 10:38:03	luigibu	i tried creating: /etc/sysctl.d/30-ipforward.conf
2022-12-21 10:38:09	luigibu	but is not working..
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2022-12-21 10:38:24	SysGhost	luigibu: what's the content of that -conf?
2022-12-21 10:38:58	luigibu	net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
2022-12-21 10:39:10	luigibu	and two more lines for ipv6
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2022-12-21 10:40:24	susi	luigibu: /usr/lib/sysctl.d files may interfere
2022-12-21 10:40:56	luigibu	i will check that
2022-12-21 10:41:04	SysGhost	luigibu: what do "systemctl status systemd-sysctl.service"  say?
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2022-12-21 10:42:26	luigibu	let me see
2022-12-21 10:44:53	luigibu	SysGhost: https://dpaste.org/ZMUsq
2022-12-21 10:44:55	phrik	Title: dpaste/ZMUsq (Python) (at dpaste.org)
2022-12-21 10:44:56	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o5SP.txt
2022-12-21 10:45:09	susi	it might be a good idea to name your custom conf so that it gets enacted after 50-default.conf
2022-12-21 10:45:42	SysGhost	could be. Try renaming it to 99-ipforward.conf
2022-12-21 10:45:44	luigibu	honestly.. im not familiar with this config files
2022-12-21 10:45:56	luigibu	what the number minds?
2022-12-21 10:46:04	SysGhost	in what order they're applied
2022-12-21 10:46:17	luigibu	i see
2022-12-21 10:46:29	luigibu	and the location? 
2022-12-21 10:46:36	susi	you add your own stuff under /etc/sysctl.d
2022-12-21 10:46:42	luigibu	i see
2022-12-21 10:46:44	luigibu	nice
2022-12-21 10:47:09	susi	/usr/lib stuff is vendor-delivered
2022-12-21 10:47:33	SysGhost	right. /usr/lib is managed by the package manager, and might be overwritten at any time.
2022-12-21 10:48:08	luigibu	has sense! thanks.. need to reboot or i can restart a service to test the changes?
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2022-12-21 10:48:39	SysGhost	systemctl restart systemd-sysctl should do iirc
2022-12-21 10:48:50	luigibu	great! thanks sir
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2022-12-21 10:52:35	luigibu	no luck.. :(
2022-12-21 10:52:54	luigibu	yesterday was working.. dont know if i did somehting.. 
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2022-12-21 10:53:09	susi	does `sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward'  tell you it's 1
2022-12-21 10:53:37	luigibu	returns 0
2022-12-21 10:53:38	susi	or cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
2022-12-21 10:54:12	tatsumaru	hey guys, I just wrote a little bash script to help me activate a python environment easier: https://paste.rs/9pT.bash but for some reason when I do 'sh lb.sh' I only get the echo message but not the venv switch. however if I literally copy the venv command line and paste in terminal in the same directory I get what I want. any tips?
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2022-12-21 10:54:47	SysGhost	luigibu: you moved the file to /etc/sysctl.d/ , right?
2022-12-21 10:55:03	sheep	sh is running in a new process, so it can't update the environment in your shell process
2022-12-21 10:55:11	luigibu	yes
2022-12-21 10:55:13	luigibu	is there
2022-12-21 10:55:22	sheep	you probably want to use alias for this or a function
2022-12-21 10:55:52	SysGhost	luigibu: what's the output of "sysctl --system " ?
2022-12-21 10:56:04	tatsumaru	sheep: hmm running '. lb.sh' worked for some reason
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2022-12-21 10:56:11	SysGhost	(ru nas root)
2022-12-21 10:56:16	SysGhost	run*'
2022-12-21 10:56:18	susi	luigibu: check the file's permissions, did you write exactly "net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" in it, no typos or anything
2022-12-21 10:56:26	sheep	. runs the script in the current shell, but sh doesn't
2022-12-21 10:56:38	susi	that's pretty easy to mistype
2022-12-21 10:56:52	tatsumaru	sheep: I see thanks. sh is so weird to me.
2022-12-21 10:57:02	tatsumaru	bash*
2022-12-21 10:57:17	luigibu	SysGhost: https://dpaste.org/8jsDc
2022-12-21 10:57:20	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o5Sc.txt
2022-12-21 10:57:21	phrik	Title: dpaste/8jsDc (Python) (at dpaste.org)
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2022-12-21 10:58:25	tatsumaru	sheep: if 'sh' is running in a new shell, then how com I get the echo message when I run the script with sh instead of nothing?
2022-12-21 10:58:34	SysGhost	luigibu: looks like it's applied as it should. Could you have scripts that override it later on in the boot process?
2022-12-21 10:59:10	sheep	because echo in the new shell still has access to stdout
2022-12-21 10:59:12	luigibu	mmm.. i dont think so.. the only new thing.. is awsvpn
2022-12-21 10:59:29	tatsumaru	i see, thanks
2022-12-21 10:59:41	sheep	the new shell inherits its terminal, and also stdin/stdout/stderr, from the shell that started it
2022-12-21 10:59:51	luigibu	is the vpn
2022-12-21 10:59:56	SysGhost	luigibu: according to that sysctl command, it works as intended. Not sure what else that resets it.
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2022-12-21 11:00:40	luigibu	yes yes.. seams.. when i connect to the vpn.. the values of net.ipv4.ip_forward get set to 0
2022-12-21 11:00:56	luigibu	so.. i think.. i need to check the settings of the vpn
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2022-12-21 11:02:02	SysGhost	Most likely then. Something runsa script or equivalent when it inits
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2022-12-21 11:09:31	kidnextdoor	hey guys sorry, does anyone know the name of a lightweight gui application that allows me to mimic the theme of the gtk apps into the kde ones?
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2022-12-21 11:10:15	teraflops	kidnextdoor: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Uniform_look_for_Qt_and_GTK_applications
2022-12-21 11:10:17	phrik	Title: Uniform look for Qt and GTK applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-21 11:11:52	kidnextdoor	mhm i did look into there already, but im looking specificaly for a simple app that does that i know because ive used it before but i cant remember the package name
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2022-12-21 11:21:42	kidnextdoor	ahh found it nevermind is really hidden
2022-12-21 11:21:42	kidnextdoor	thats what i was looking for ty ty qt6ct
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2022-12-21 11:33:19	luigibu	SysGhost: so.. awsvpnclient is setting net.ipv4.ip_forward=0 and seams is a well know issue.. 
2022-12-21 11:33:19	luigibu	people workaround is with a hook somewhere?
2022-12-21 11:33:19	luigibu	any ideas where i check?
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2022-12-21 11:33:19	luigibu	in ubuntiu seams to be here: /etc/network/if-up.d/
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2022-12-21 12:13:07	SysGhost	luigibu: netcfg can run pre- and post- userscripts
2022-12-21 12:13:44	SysGhost	See: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Netctl
2022-12-21 12:13:45	phrik	Title: netctl - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-21 12:14:12	SysGhost	"4.6 Using hooks"
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2022-12-21 12:22:28	doublem	Hi there, I have a problem an archive and I am not sure why:
2022-12-21 12:22:28	doublem	This is what I get:
2022-12-21 12:22:28	doublem	!paste
2022-12-21 12:22:28	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-12-21 12:22:28	SysGhost	I'd do something ugly and simple in some hook script there. Knowing vpn setups take a wee moments to run, timings might get tricky. I'd try something along the lines of: sleep 10 && sysctl --load=99-ipforward.conf
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2022-12-21 12:22:28	doublem	This is the error I get any ideas: https://paste.rs/w7c.sh . All the locations exist
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2022-12-21 12:42:08	tralala	doublem, this is a very weird error. Does bsdtar do the same?
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2022-12-21 12:42:35	doublem	I went with file-roller which seems to be working. Gave up on the command line
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2022-12-21 13:13:51	luigibu	SysGhost: thanks! so.. i whould install then netcfg? by default i think kde use networkmanager right? 
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2022-12-21 13:14:50	SysGhost	KDE can use most network managers, but it got the "most" ui for network manager indeed
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2022-12-21 13:15:10	SysGhost	Check there if you can run post-scripts on the vpn config.
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2022-12-21 13:15:59	luigibu	will check
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2022-12-21 13:16:39	luigibu	but does it care the fact.. awsvpnclient is a different app?
2022-12-21 13:17:04	SysGhost	don't think so. As long as it is NetworkManager that brings it up/down
2022-12-21 13:17:30	SysGhost	 /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/ is something you could use I'd reckon.
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2022-12-21 13:18:36	SysGhost	https://man.archlinux.org/man/NetworkManager-dispatcher.8.en
2022-12-21 13:18:37	phrik	Title: NetworkManager-dispatcher(8) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2022-12-21 13:19:29	SysGhost	make a folder called "vpn-up" in that folder, and put a script that forces your ip forward config.
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2022-12-21 13:50:57	melty	would it be possible to setup an arch linux machine to run out of a usb stick?
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2022-12-21 13:51:48	throstur	yes
2022-12-21 13:52:05	melty	with partitions and everything?
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2022-12-21 13:52:31	Scimmia	yep
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2022-12-21 13:57:36	Ennea	melty, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_on_a_removable_medium
2022-12-21 13:57:37	phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux on a removable medium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-12-21 14:22:00	SysGhost	melty: USB drives, like most other mass storages, are just Mass storage that you can partition and format as you see fit. Linux itself don't care much from where it runs. technically you could run it off punchcards given you have enough time to wait for it to load.
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2022-12-21 14:26:57	mpan	There are some minor details to pay attention to, tho. Setting up bootloader may require extra care. Also all drive references must be using persistent naming; that should be the case always, but an on-HDD/SSD is a bit more forgiving in that matter.
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2022-12-21 18:48:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-21 18:48:30	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1463 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1461 normals)
2022-12-21 14:28:02	SysGhost	I recommend that one always refer to drives and partitions by their UUID's, even on regular installs.
2022-12-21 14:28:39	mpan	So am I, but with removable media this is a hard requirement, not a trouble-preventing recommendation.
2022-12-21 14:45:01	melty	would this be a safe method if using a public pc in a hostile government?
2022-12-21 14:45:47	throstur	 define safe?
2022-12-21 14:46:01	throstur	if you are looking to black hat, you would be wise to use one-time everything
2022-12-21 14:46:16	throstur	one time fake SSL certificate, one-time used hardware, one-time setup distro
2022-12-21 14:46:19	throstur	one time everything
2022-12-21 14:46:22	melty	say a journalist keeping safe from keyloggers and stuff on a public pc
2022-12-21 14:46:33	throstur	a public PC is never safe.
2022-12-21 14:46:43	Tom^	doesnt usb sticks have a rather limited write life lenght tho?
2022-12-21 14:46:45	throstur	there can be hardware for intercepting your keystrokes, there can be a rootkit as deep as on the processor level
2022-12-21 14:47:03	throstur	Tom^: easily mitigatable for that person's desired use case
2022-12-21 14:47:11	Tom^	so running an OS all the time of it feels like its gonna kill it off quite fast
2022-12-21 14:47:16	Tom^	throstur: yeah fair enough
2022-12-21 14:47:30	throstur	you skip all the nice things like a swap partition, atime, etc
2022-12-21 14:48:21	throstur	on the subject of public, even if you have a private machine, if you don't have e2e encryption even the router or a man in the middle can listen in on what you do, so whenever the word "public" appears anywhere, assume it negates safety
2022-12-21 14:49:01	melty	this is all hypothetical btw
2022-12-21 14:49:08	throstur	just buy a yellow vest and a ladder
2022-12-21 14:49:11	throstur	and a clipboard
2022-12-21 14:49:17	throstur	hacker's basic toolkit
2022-12-21 14:49:49	throstur	I would take this to #archlinux-offtopic for further elaboration, but I am banned. Good luck to you.
2022-12-21 14:49:55	melty	also a private device like a laptop would be scrutinized heavily in this hostile environment
2022-12-21 14:54:32	melty	would tails or whonix be more appropriate for this 
2022-12-21 14:55:03	throstur	I think you need to talk to real life spies and not ask a public forum filled with linux enthusiists and the kind of neurodivergent people to take you literally
2022-12-21 14:55:38	throstur	you can try to pick up a lead in the watering hole at ##hackers, your local chinese embassy or by getting yourself pwned by a recruiter
2022-12-21 14:56:41	throstur	if you go to a chinese embassy, save yourself the embarassment and ask for the secretary
2022-12-21 15:13:28	SysGhost	Most public computers don't allow for external media boot. At best one could make a portable virtual machine withh help of a portable virtualbox setup. Have those types of drives myself. Run one exe on it and it launches a portable machine with an encrypted vpn-connection. Although this in turn has to allow the host computer to allow certain things to work.
2022-12-21 15:13:50	SysGhost	long story short: There's nothing to be trusted on public computers.
2022-12-21 15:14:38	throstur	I think the core issue here is that you need a dedicated knife, not a swiss army knife, for whatever original inquirer needs
2022-12-21 15:51:08	susi	anyone with multiple firefox installations and a shared ~/.mozilla/firefox ?
2022-12-21 15:51:31	NetSysFire	quite possibly, why do you ask?
2022-12-21 15:51:44	susi	good point
2022-12-21 15:51:53	susi	I rarely do that...
2022-12-21 15:52:34	tralala	isn't sync a better way to achieve the same?
2022-12-21 15:52:48	susi	has everything worked for you with shared .mozilla/firefox
2022-12-21 15:53:16	astralc	what is multiple installations in this case?
2022-12-21 15:53:20	susi	so basically shared profiles.ini and installs.ini, and some folders like Crash\ Reports 
2022-12-21 15:53:40	melty	does arch linux have a way to use xorg rootless like openbsd does?
2022-12-21 15:53:41	caveman	do usb snake cameras work with linux?
2022-12-21 15:53:56	susi	astralc: however achieved, but both sharing ~/.mozilla
2022-12-21 15:54:03	HuntsMan	melty: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg#Rootless_Xorg
2022-12-21 15:54:04	susi	both or more
2022-12-21 15:54:04	phrik	Title: Xorg - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-21 15:54:31	astralc	I think the nightly does share with normal version
2022-12-21 15:54:39	astralc	maybe also developer edition?
2022-12-21 15:54:45	susi	astralc: for example, multiple different versions, or however multiple different firefox browsers
2022-12-21 15:55:30	astralc	different profiles?
2022-12-21 15:56:23	susi	yes, of course
2022-12-21 15:58:22	Ennea	susi, firefox specifically complains if you use a "newer" profile in an older version
2022-12-21 15:58:24	Ennea	so probably don't do that
2022-12-21 15:59:01	susi	I'm not gonna share profiles, just ~/.mozilla
2022-12-21 15:59:44	another	symlink?
2022-12-21 16:04:57	Ennea	there's almost literally nothing else in ~/.mozilla besides profiles
2022-12-21 16:05:01	Ennea	so i'm assuming it would work just fine
2022-12-21 16:17:13	kidnextdoor	dude keep calm and give them time, we are only humans. Believe! arch forever!
2022-12-21 16:19:49	Ennea	you really need to get a grip
2022-12-21 16:20:17	kidnextdoor	dude fine we got your point, you are an unsatisfied customer... please stop trolling!
2022-12-21 16:20:19	kidnextdoor	lol
2022-12-21 16:21:17	kidnextdoor	hes mad, he has a point, i also fear not being able to work if i choose linux of windows
2022-12-21 16:21:27	kidnextdoor	linux over windows
2022-12-21 16:22:41	kidnextdoor	but i do understand, in fact i am very please that some devs could be working in something way better than to deal with this, im really thankfull, it needs courage and ethic, and love
2022-12-21 16:23:52	throstur	I fear that I'm one the quiet side of a net split
2022-12-21 16:24:33	lolok	i have no idea whats going on either lol, blaming it on winter solstice, at least im not alone
2022-12-21 16:26:29	kidnextdoor	im thinking hes mad about keyrings being broken
2022-12-21 16:28:11	lolok	who?
2022-12-21 16:29:22	Metroid	great connection there shawn_ogg
2022-12-21 16:30:51	mingdao	Metroid: You can hide joins/parts/quits and have a cleaner screen.
2022-12-21 16:32:53	mpan	I think shawn_ogg needs a visit to ##fix-your-connection.
2022-12-21 16:33:28	b0ney	mingdao: good point, just saw that weechat has such a function built-in
2022-12-21 16:33:30	mpan	throstur: you are not in a netsplit. Someone has connection broken.
2022-12-21 16:33:56	mingdao	mpan +v mpan
2022-12-21 16:34:12	mpan	mingdao: solving a problem by ignoring it is not a solution. The person should be moved to ##fix-your-connection.
2022-12-21 16:34:52	mingdao	mpan: Choosing to ignore joins/parts/quits is not "solving a problem", it choosing not to clutter your screen with useless output.
2022-12-21 16:35:01	mingdao	s/it/it's
2022-12-21 16:35:11	mpan	Which is ignoring the problem.
2022-12-21 16:35:30	mingdao	mpan: You can +v yourself and move them, eh?  Or, since it's bothering you so much, contact a channel op.
2022-12-21 16:35:37	mpan	I am not an op.
2022-12-21 16:36:04	mpan	And I will not ping ops just to move a user with a misbehaving connection.
2022-12-21 16:36:19	mingdao	If you issue /names you might see the ops.
2022-12-21 16:36:36	mpan	mingdao: I do not need to use /names. I know who ops are and how to notify them.
2022-12-21 16:36:39	mingdao	Yeah, so no need to chat about it and further clutter the screen, eh?  ;)
2022-12-21 16:37:01	mingdao	 /ignore whining
2022-12-21 16:37:03	mpan	mingdao: I am answering, if that was missed in the noise.
2022-12-21 16:37:14	susi	mingdao: or just /n -ops @ irssi
2022-12-21 16:37:47	mingdao	susi: It doesn't bother me; I ignore things like joins/parts/quits not related to the topic.  ;)
2022-12-21 16:38:03	mingdao	I also op in other channels, so I am aware of the HOW-TOs.
2022-12-21 16:39:11	susi	some do not know that N is a default alias for NAMES, nor that it has a -ops flag :)
2022-12-21 16:40:09	lolok	the bot in #c bans for this, im not suggesting anything im just saying; hopefully this firmware update fixes amdgpu crashing brb after reboot
2022-12-21 16:40:11	mingdao	which is probably why I wrote out /names for him
2022-12-21 16:40:20	mingdao	lolok: hope so
2022-12-21 16:41:26	susi	bans for what?
2022-12-21 16:42:32	mingdao	It's all personal choice.  I prefer https://0x0.st/o51z.png to https://0x0.st/o51i.png
2022-12-21 16:44:31	susi	mingdao: a lil ot, but I prefer https://0x0.st/o51-.png
2022-12-21 16:45:58	mingdao	susi: While we don't agree on colors ;) we do agree on joins/parts/quits, eh?
2022-12-21 16:46:48	susi	mingdao: I use a special ignore level hidden, so that I can view them when I want by switching the window hidelevel, for which I have aliases /(un)hide
2022-12-21 16:47:00	mingdao	Same here.
2022-12-21 16:47:11	mingdao	I just ^T
2022-12-21 16:47:17	mingdao	toggle ftw
2022-12-21 16:49:05	susi	and we most definitely do not agree on colors
2022-12-21 16:52:59	kidnextdoor	clear
2022-12-21 16:53:04	kidnextdoor	pff
2022-12-21 17:00:19	dav1d	NetSysFire, btw my susped issue might be related to systemd and suspend-then-hibernate, there are a bunch of recent issues/threads that systemd broke something with suspend-then-hibernate and turning it off seems to resolve my issue as well
2022-12-21 17:01:49	susi	I have never felt a need for hibernate; what are the situations when people hibernate and just suspend isn't enough, assuming everything works as intended?
2022-12-21 17:03:58	Nei	long time power saving 
2022-12-21 17:11:42	susi	even with suspend, it's quite a long time on my laptops
2022-12-21 17:13:12	susi	though, if there were only like 5 % of battery, and no power source in foreseeable future, maybe then I'd use it if it were available
2022-12-21 17:13:51	coruja	Namarrgon: ty
2022-12-21 17:14:27	mpan	Namidairo: thanks. 
2022-12-21 17:14:42	mpan	Namarrgon: thanks too. ;)
2022-12-21 17:36:17	dav1d	susi, encryption and usually over the weekend
2022-12-21 17:37:30	dav1d	(to save energy), the nice thing with suspend to hibernate was, I could just close the lid and if I happen to not open it again it wouldnt drain all the power and I dont have to 'wait' for it to hibernate (takes a minute with 64gb ram)
2022-12-21 17:37:49	susi	couldn't that enc key be read by outsiders, or how's it stored?
2022-12-21 17:40:09	Nei	if you suspend then the disk is already unlocked and the key can be extracted from ram. if you hibernate the power is off
2022-12-21 17:41:18	susi	and the key isn't stored anywhere, but you must retype it?
2022-12-21 17:41:35	dav1d	susi, yeah you have to retype it when resuming
2022-12-21 17:42:54	Foxboron	dok: The fix :p https://paste.xinu.at/9QJSHQhQ7OFiT/
2022-12-21 17:43:00	phrik	Title: stdin (at paste.xinu.at)
2022-12-21 17:45:54	dok	Foxboron: nice!
2022-12-21 17:46:03	BrainDamage	you can have hooks to unmount the disk on suspend, so you'll have to unlock the drive on resume
2022-12-21 17:46:24	dok	Foxboron: Thank you for your time and your work :)
2022-12-21 17:52:34	Foxboron	dok: no worries
2022-12-21 17:53:32	susi	dav1d: okay, then that's a nice thingie. though you telling it would take a minute to just hib doesn't sound thatgood
2022-12-21 17:54:27	susi	my system goes a full reboot cycle in a quarter of that, but then of course, I must resume my works (which I have already automated as far as I can by other means)
2022-12-21 18:04:11	Ennea	susi, i don't use suspend _or_ hibernate. no need for either
2022-12-21 18:14:21	epony	other people need these and are actually important and very useful functionality
2022-12-21 18:15:02	epony	hibernation is very useful for desktop machines, and suspend is very useful for laptops
2022-12-21 18:19:01	dav1d	susi, yeah a reboot is faster for me as well
2022-12-21 18:21:39	landers	Hello everyone, I'm new to IRC so bare with me. I'm experiencing a problem where I can't log in to my computer running Arch Linux. At the login prompt after boot, none of the keys do anything, except for the arrow keys, which move the blinking cursor around. I know it's not a hardware issue because right now I'm running off the archiso on the same machine.
2022-12-21 18:23:23	another	console or graphical login manager?
2022-12-21 18:23:29	landers	console
2022-12-21 18:23:34	tralala	landers, what does journalctl say?
2022-12-21 18:23:37	landers	Also I can't switch ttys with ctrl-alt-numbers
2022-12-21 18:24:40	landers	How can I check journalctl when I'm not booted into it? Sorry I'm not that familiar with logging. Should I mount the root and check some files under /var/log?
2022-12-21 18:25:09	astralc	for tty switch, maybe you are in 'media keys' mode?
2022-12-21 18:25:44	astralc	also, is booting with `single` in the end of the command line work?
2022-12-21 18:26:01	tralala	landers, mount the root, arch-chroot into it and run journalctl -x. Don't paste into the channel. Use a pastebin.
2022-12-21 18:26:46	astralc	alt+ctrl+f<num>
2022-12-21 18:26:50	landers	astralc I can try that in a bit but I would have to reboot
2022-12-21 18:26:57	landers	Ok, will do tralala
2022-12-21 18:37:37	landers	http://dpaste.com4TEP8ZJ55
2022-12-21 18:37:45	landers	last 2000 lines of journalctl -x
2022-12-21 18:38:16	tralala	that's no a url
2022-12-21 18:38:19	tralala	not
2022-12-21 18:40:40	NetSysFire	dav1d: sounds like a regression
2022-12-21 18:41:02	NetSysFire	check out https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/General_troubleshooting#Debugging_regressions
2022-12-21 18:41:03	phrik	Title: General troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-21 18:41:49	tralala	anyway I fixed it - missing / after .com
2022-12-21 18:46:42	epony	don't forbet the same for .exe
2022-12-21 18:48:30	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-21 18:51:25	landers	yeah sorry I was just in the wrong window without realizing it
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2022-12-21 18:51:34	tralala	landers, I see nothing wrong in the logs. Does it work in single mode?
2022-12-21 18:51:35	landers	I missed a slash yeah
2022-12-21 18:52:10	landers	I don't know what that means
2022-12-21 18:52:14	landers	is that a boot parameter?
2022-12-21 18:52:58	tralala	yet, it's what astralc said
2022-12-21 18:53:00	tralala	yes
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2022-12-21 18:53:43	landers	I should note that this happened to me a few days ago as well and it caused me to do a reinstall. Now it's happening again. I can't think of anything I've done to cause this. Only thing is I've modified the tty keymaps to remap caps to ctrl but I was able to log in fine several times after doing that
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2022-12-21 18:54:31	landers	I can try booting in single mode
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2022-12-21 18:55:06	landers	Would it be relavent to see my vconsole.conf and custom.map?
2022-12-21 18:55:28	landers	I just followed a guide a found on emacswiki
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2022-12-21 18:55:48	tralala	It won't hurt. I just tested a tty with scroll lock on and the cursor moves around, but typing works too
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2022-12-21 18:56:28	landers	Maybe I will just try removing those customizations and see if anything changes, then I will try to boot in single mode
2022-12-21 18:56:44	teraflops	landers: i'd boot into multiuser target
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2022-12-21 18:57:59	landers	teraflops: Ok, I'm open to suggestions. I've never really messed around with boot parameters so I don't really know anything about this stuff.
2022-12-21 18:58:11	teraflops	do you use grub?
2022-12-21 18:58:19	landers	yes
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2022-12-21 18:58:50	teraflops	iirc you can add systemd.unit=multi-user.target to the boot options if you press e key when grub menu appears
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2022-12-21 18:59:28	landers	Ok
2022-12-21 18:59:29	teraflops	if you already have ssh access to the machine you can change it fro there as well
2022-12-21 18:59:38	teraflops	from
2022-12-21 18:59:39	landers	do you mind briefly explaining what that does exactly, same with "single mode"?
2022-12-21 19:00:25	teraflops	single mode aka init 1 is an old term, there's no init 1 anymore
2022-12-21 19:00:33	throstur	!regression
2022-12-21 19:00:33	phrik	throstur: Eh?
2022-12-21 19:00:38	◣	malteger (~malteger@user/malteger) ha salido (Quit: malteger)
2022-12-21 19:00:39	throstur	phrik: regression is !grab NetSysFire 
2022-12-21 19:00:39	phrik	throstur: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
2022-12-21 19:00:54	throstur	whatever, it's not going to recurse right anyway
2022-12-21 19:01:22	NetSysFire	!regression is "<reply> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/General_troubleshooting#Debugging_regressions"
2022-12-21 19:01:23	phrik	NetSysFire: Tada!
2022-12-21 19:01:27	NetSysFire	!give throstur regression
2022-12-21 19:01:28	phrik	throstur: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/General_troubleshooting#Debugging_regressions
2022-12-21 19:01:41	landers	teraflops: so does single mode imply there's no accounts like root, etc.? and it's all one account?
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2022-12-21 19:02:47	teraflops	what hey meant by single mode is passing init=/bin/bash to the bootloader
2022-12-21 19:03:07	landers	Oh ok
2022-12-21 19:03:12	landers	so no systemd then?
2022-12-21 19:03:19	Scimmia	hold on, those are two very different things
2022-12-21 19:03:35	Scimmia	single mode is closer to rescue.target
2022-12-21 19:03:40	astralc	single is systemd, but not loading everything
2022-12-21 19:03:55	astralc	and only root login (but still need pass)
2022-12-21 19:04:02	tralala	no, single mode gives you only one tty for the root
2022-12-21 19:04:57	teraflops	anyway what I suspect is that you are booting to graphical target and it's borked somehow
2022-12-21 19:05:36	tralala	actually the logs say that graphical target starts successfully
2022-12-21 19:06:10	astralc	isn't graphical is the default, even if DM not enabled?
2022-12-21 19:06:18	Scimmia	yep
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2022-12-21 19:06:29	teraflops	did they post logs? I missed that sorry
2022-12-21 19:07:08	landers	dpaste.com//4TEP8ZJ55
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2022-12-21 19:07:34	landers	last 2000 lines of journalctl -x.
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2022-12-21 19:08:18	landers	So should I try to boot into multiuser target as suggested earlier?
2022-12-21 19:08:28	landers	Or boot into single mode?
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2022-12-21 19:09:22	teraflops	that log is truncated?
2022-12-21 19:09:27	tralala	boot into single mode. The boot logs are in multi-user.target
2022-12-21 19:09:34	landers	yeah it wouldn't let me upload the whole thing
2022-12-21 19:09:51	landers	it was 20000 lines originally I tried 10000 lines, 5000 and finally 2000 let me upload
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2022-12-21 19:10:10	landers	if there's a better site that will let me upload full logs I can do that
2022-12-21 19:10:28	teraflops	what will fix booting to single mode?
2022-12-21 19:10:28	tralala	there's no need to upload the full log
2022-12-21 19:10:50	tralala	in fact the one uploaded has more than one boot
2022-12-21 19:11:26	landers	ok
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2022-12-21 19:12:28	landers	So if I boot into single mode and it works, what would that imply?
2022-12-21 19:12:30	teraflops	I did not say multiuser target is borked, that makes no sense, but maybe the DM is and that's why multiuser target could help, hving a tty to work on fixing it
2022-12-21 19:12:39	CyberShadow	How do I update archlinux-keyring in aurutils' chroot?
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2022-12-21 19:13:54	Scimmia	CyberShadow: easiest to just remake it, IMO
2022-12-21 19:14:20	yitz	Do people set limits on their journalctl log size?
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2022-12-21 19:15:22	ChrisWarrick	it’s good to have some limit so it doesn’t consume all your disk space
2022-12-21 19:15:43	landers	What should I do after booting into single mode?
2022-12-21 19:15:56	tralala	there's a default limit of 4GB iirc
2022-12-21 19:16:22	tralala	landers, see if you can give root password and if the console works
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2022-12-21 19:17:22	landers	ok, so I just add init=/bin/bash to the boot parameters at grub menu?
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2022-12-21 19:17:45	tralala	landers, no, you add just "single"
2022-12-21 19:17:46	astralc	no, just add `single`
2022-12-21 19:17:53	landers	ok
2022-12-21 19:18:05	landers	Appreciate the help, will report back
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2022-12-21 19:20:35	ChrisWarrick	tralala: 4GB seems excessive for the journal
2022-12-21 19:20:57	Scimmia	10% of the filesystem up to 4GiB
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2022-12-21 19:21:12	Scimmia	but yeah, pretty excessive in most cases
2022-12-21 19:21:56	teraflops	oh now I get that I mixed single mode with init=/bin/bash sorry
2022-12-21 19:22:06	teraflops	blame the siesta
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2022-12-21 19:22:53	tralala	ChrisWarrick, yet the developers thought it to be a sane default
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2022-12-21 19:28:04	CyberShadow	Hmm, it's still not working. It's missing Pierre Schmitz's key, and now it's trying to download it and failing.
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2022-12-21 19:28:39	tralala	CyberShadow, upgrading archlinux-keyring will fix it
2022-12-21 19:28:51	CyberShadow	OK, see my previous question then :)
2022-12-21 19:29:16	throstur	did you try pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring ?
2022-12-21 19:29:21	mcurran	does anyone here use gnome-shell and know why gsettings doesn't work for changing the desktop background picture uri?
2022-12-21 19:29:27	CyberShadow	You mean updating it on the host?
2022-12-21 19:29:38	throstur	I assume you're in the chroot you want to upgrade
2022-12-21 19:29:40	tralala	CyberShadow, I don't know about the chroot. 
2022-12-21 19:29:50	CyberShadow	No, the chroot is managed by aurbuild/aurutils
2022-12-21 19:30:02	throstur	go to #aurutils about that
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2022-12-21 19:32:55	Guest4740	test
2022-12-21 19:32:57	CyberShadow	Oh, I didn't know there was a separate channel now, thanks. "pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring" would sync the repos making any future installations a partial upgrade so I'd rather not do that though.
2022-12-21 19:33:24	Guest4740	Ok I'm landers I don't know why it's saying I'm a guest now
2022-12-21 19:33:28	Guest4740	I logged in
2022-12-21 19:33:40	Guest4740	anyway, still couldn't type in single mode
2022-12-21 19:34:06	Guest4740	http://dpaste.com//2BZZGXKB9
2022-12-21 19:35:03	uuidNuniq	i have a question, systemd uses predicable interface names, how do i know what it is before a switch from eth0 ?
2022-12-21 19:35:33	susi	wow, since when dpaste used such a font and colors, or is it me
2022-12-21 19:35:46	teraflops	-x?
2022-12-21 19:35:47	susi	luckly there's the raw text option
2022-12-21 19:36:33	another	https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.net-naming-scheme.html
2022-12-21 19:36:39	phrik	Title: systemd.net-naming-scheme (at www.freedesktop.org)
2022-12-21 19:36:42	CyberShadow	OK, updating archlinux-keyring on the host indeed fixed it, thanks.
2022-12-21 19:37:09	teraflops	uuidNuniq: do you need to know the interface name before its creation?
2022-12-21 19:37:45	ℹ 	Guest4740 es conocido ahora como landers
2022-12-21 19:37:49	landers	test
2022-12-21 19:37:56	landers	there we go
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2022-12-21 19:39:09	landers	I also tried removing my vconsole.conf which is really the only thing I could think of that might have caused this
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2022-12-21 19:39:28	tralala	landers, I'm out of ideas. Something very strange is going on.
2022-12-21 19:39:30	landers	but I don't know anything so I'm out of ideas now
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2022-12-21 19:40:16	tralala	Do you have Fn-lock?
2022-12-21 19:40:16	landers	I may have to switch distros then idk
2022-12-21 19:40:38	landers	I have a fn key
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2022-12-21 19:41:24	landers	I also have an external keyboard I could try. I should have tried that earlier.
2022-12-21 19:41:29	landers	I'm on a thinkpad t420
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2022-12-21 19:42:07	tralala	booting the installation iso works fine, doesn't it?
2022-12-21 19:42:13	landers	yep
2022-12-21 19:42:34	landers	that's what I'm using right now
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2022-12-21 19:43:42	uuidNuniq	teraflops:  i use net.ifnames=0  at the moment
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2022-12-21 19:44:30	landers	It's happened to me twice now. Could it be some package I installed that somehow caused this?
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2022-12-21 19:44:47	tralala	I don't think so.
2022-12-21 19:44:53	landers	I haven't done anything except install packages and edit config files
2022-12-21 19:45:05	astralc	which config files?
2022-12-21 19:45:11	uuidNuniq	looks like ip a gives an 'altname end0' under eth0 
2022-12-21 19:45:17	@Namarrgon	is the system booting into getty or some DM?
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2022-12-21 19:45:32	uuidNuniq	is that the name systemd is gonna use?
2022-12-21 19:45:33	landers	like dotfiles for my window manager and stuff
2022-12-21 19:45:48	landers	it's getty
2022-12-21 19:46:13	landers	strangely I can move the blinking cursor around with the arrow keys but that's it
2022-12-21 19:46:15	astralc	did you changed mkinitcpio.conf?
2022-12-21 19:46:20	landers	no
2022-12-21 19:46:41	landers	only system file I changed is vconsole.conf to remap caps to ctrl in tty
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2022-12-21 19:47:25	astralc	maybe it cause "always ctrl is held"?
2022-12-21 19:48:06	landers	but wouldn't keys like j do something?
2022-12-21 19:48:11	landers	ctrl-j is return right?
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2022-12-21 19:50:27	another	hmm.. How does ping on arch actually work? it's not suid and has no caps
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2022-12-21 19:50:47	tralala	actually, I just tested with ctrl pressed and it behaves exactly like you describe
2022-12-21 19:51:04	tralala	try hitting caps lock and type again
2022-12-21 19:51:16	landers	ok, so we're on to something
2022-12-21 19:51:58	landers	I'm near certain I would have pressed nearly every combination of keys and modifiers but I will try again
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2022-12-21 20:03:27	landers	Ok so holding ctrl didn't do anything, however I've discovered that the function keys work, including adjusting screen brightness and also enabling numlock, which then lets my type numbers on the keyboard, but that's it
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2022-12-21 20:04:52	another	are you in fn mode?
2022-12-21 20:04:57	tralala	landers, did you remove the mapping of capslock to ctrl?
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2022-12-21 20:05:26	landers	yes I removed the vsonsole.conf
2022-12-21 20:05:37	landers	another: possibly, I don't know
2022-12-21 20:06:24	landers	how would I determine if I'm in fn mode?
2022-12-21 20:06:43	another	some light on your keyboard being on? FnLock?
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2022-12-21 20:07:04	landers	I don't have any such lights, as far as I know my fn key is just a modifier?
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2022-12-21 20:07:36	landers	also why would it not be in that mode when I boot into the archiso?
2022-12-21 20:08:13	landers	I forgot to test if my external keyboard works
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2022-12-21 20:08:20	astralc	and rebuild initramfs?
2022-12-21 20:08:50	landers	I should rebuild initramfs you're saying? Or you're asking if I did?
2022-12-21 20:09:52	landers	It does seem to have something to do with the ctrl key beying permenantly enabled at boot for some reason
2022-12-21 20:10:16	ℹ 	heat_ es conocido ahora como heat
2022-12-21 20:10:18	landers	also caps lock doesn't work, meaning the light on the key doesn't change when I press it
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2022-12-21 20:11:44	tralala	landers, are you sure that the mapping of caps lock to ctrl was in vconsole.conf? 
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2022-12-21 20:12:14	landers	how else would it have been done?
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2022-12-21 20:13:48	landers	does vconsole.conf have to exist even if it's blank?
2022-12-21 20:13:58	landers	I deleted the file but it was originally blank
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2022-12-21 20:16:38	teraflops	tried just power off, remove power cord, press and hold power on button for a while, then boot the system again?
2022-12-21 20:17:23	landers	I haven't tried that, no
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2022-12-21 20:18:20	landers	So i've "touched" the vonsonle.conf so it exists, I'll try my external keyboard, and then I'll try what you suggest holding the power button
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2022-12-21 20:35:41	landers	still no luck
2022-12-21 20:35:55	landers	I'm out of ideas no
2022-12-21 20:35:57	landers	now*
2022-12-21 20:36:09	landers	I guess I will just have to switch distros
2022-12-21 20:36:47	landers	It may not be archlinux specific but I don't know what else to do
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2022-12-21 20:38:36	tralala	landers, do you intend to use a display manager?
2022-12-21 20:39:02	landers	no, I use startx
2022-12-21 20:39:53	ℹ 	vi-o-lisp es conocido ahora como vi-o-let-a
2022-12-21 20:41:18	landers	maybe I changed some other file or something when I was trying to remap caps
2022-12-21 20:41:23	landers	it's the only thing that really makes sense
2022-12-21 20:41:24	tralala	landers, did you modify the us keymap file?
2022-12-21 20:41:29	landers	but I can't htink of what I changed
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2022-12-21 20:42:07	landers	I made a separate custom.map and linked to it from vconsole.conf
2022-12-21 20:42:16	landers	is there a way I can reset my keymaps?
2022-12-21 20:42:21	landers	copy them over from the archiso?
2022-12-21 20:42:23	landers	just to be sure
2022-12-21 20:43:36	landers	or maybe I can check timestamps to verify they haven't been modified
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2022-12-21 20:44:29	tralala	yes, check the timestamps ls -l /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/
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2022-12-21 20:46:40	landers	all the same, Jun 16, older than the install
2022-12-21 20:47:13	tralala	just for a good measure pacman -Qkk kbd
2022-12-21 20:47:55	landers	785 total fies, 0 altered
2022-12-21 20:48:18	tralala	and the external keyboard didn't work either?
2022-12-21 20:48:39	landers	no
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2022-12-21 20:49:30	landers	I don't think it can be a kernel bug or something or else why would I be the only one with this problem. My hardware is pretty common
2022-12-21 20:50:23	tralala	no, it's not a kernel bug. Something strange is going on, but I can't figure out what it is.
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2022-12-21 20:53:03	landers	You don't think it's possible for some installed package to have caused this? I don't know enough to say.
2022-12-21 20:53:25	landers	I could try to find out which packages I installed since the last successful boot
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2022-12-21 20:55:49	thurstylark	Not any packages from the official repos. That kind of problem would swiftly be corrected if it ever made it to the repos :P
2022-12-21 20:55:57	thurstylark	AUR packages on the other hand...
2022-12-21 20:56:06	thurstylark	sometimes anything goes :P
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2022-12-21 20:56:19	landers	I have two aur packages installed, brave-bin and lemonbar-xft-git
2022-12-21 20:56:34	landers	but I've booted no problem since installing those
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2022-12-21 20:59:32	thurstylark	No idea what those packages ship, but you can find out via `pacman -Ql <package>`
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2022-12-21 21:00:41	landers	I've also had X crashing a bunch, but I doubt it's related
2022-12-21 21:01:23	landers	I don't see anything keyboard related for those packages with pacamn -Ql
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2022-12-21 21:04:19	thurstylark	Personally, I'm not sure what to check besides the files mentioned in this wiki page: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Linux_console/Keyboard_configuration
2022-12-21 21:04:20	phrik	Title: Linux console/Keyboard configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-12-21 21:06:00	thurstylark	Is it just local keyboard input that's borked? Any change if you remote into it?
2022-12-21 21:07:11	landers	I have no way of easily testing that unfortunately
2022-12-21 21:07:22	landers	I would have to figure out how to do it from my phone
2022-12-21 21:07:46	landers	I only have the one machine
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2022-12-21 21:08:12	thurstylark	any ssh app should do fine
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2022-12-21 21:08:41	thurstylark	ConnectBot and JuiceSSH are good options for android
2022-12-21 21:08:53	⚡ 	thurstylark has no idea what's available for iOS, though :P
2022-12-21 21:09:13	landers	Ok I can give it a shot
2022-12-21 21:09:15	landers	I'm on android
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2022-12-21 21:09:40	landers	I would have to configure ssh from the archiso though right
2022-12-21 21:10:02	teraflops	thurstylark: I find shellfish for IOS pretty solid
2022-12-21 21:10:15	⚡ 	thurstylark makes notes
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2022-12-21 21:11:01	tralala	landers, yes with chroot
2022-12-21 21:11:19	thurstylark	landers: Yeah, shouldn't be too hard. I think the most difficult part would be enabling sshd to start at boot, but that's more "weird" than "difficult" imo :P
2022-12-21 21:11:40	teraflops	landers: iirc just systemctl start sshd and set a password for he root user
2022-12-21 21:12:02	thurstylark	I thought systemctl wouldn't work in a chroot...
2022-12-21 21:12:31	landers	you can enable but not start I believe
2022-12-21 21:12:34	teraflops	ah from the chroot
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2022-12-21 21:12:52	thurstylark	enable is all you need
2022-12-21 21:12:55	landers	thurstylark: Ok thanks for the idea, I will get to work on that
2022-12-21 21:12:59	landers	I'm curious to see if it works
2022-12-21 21:13:09	thurstylark	yeah, me too. 
2022-12-21 21:13:24	thurstylark	especially since you can figure out more once you're in the target system
2022-12-21 21:13:58	teraflops	it work on the arch iso, i also chrooted form the openssh session but never tried from inside the chroot
2022-12-21 21:14:11	teraflops	works^
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2022-12-21 21:16:32	thurstylark	Makes sense that enable works in the chroot, since it's just a fancy symlink generator :P
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2022-12-21 21:31:44	B-|	yo, what should my /etc/hostname contain
2022-12-21 21:32:03	novns	your host's name
2022-12-21 21:32:08	SysGhost	your hostname
2022-12-21 21:32:13	MrElendig	use hostnamectl to set it
2022-12-21 21:32:16	SysGhost	nothing more, nothing less.
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2022-12-21 21:32:28	B-|	it seems like a lot of programs default to it and it could be userful if they received the fully qualified domain name
2022-12-21 21:32:35	MrElendig	also man 5 hostname
2022-12-21 21:33:06	lolok	afaik you can use a fqdn there
2022-12-21 21:33:33	MrElendig	can also assign hostname trough dhcp
2022-12-21 21:33:36	novns	but it would be too long in console prompts
2022-12-21 21:33:53	B-|	> It is recommended that this name contains only a single label
2022-12-21 21:33:58	B-|	man 5 hostname
2022-12-21 21:34:00	MrElendig	novns: most shells have functionality to only print part of it
2022-12-21 21:34:12	MrElendig	and you can always string manipulate it
2022-12-21 21:34:35	B-|	PS1 can easily be manipulated to produce that
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2022-12-21 21:34:50	novns	I'm too lazy to mess with PS1
2022-12-21 21:34:50	B-|	in any posix shell
2022-12-21 21:34:57	B-|	novns: your problem :p
2022-12-21 21:35:13	B-|	i'm willing
2022-12-21 21:35:18	B-|	will it break anything serious?
2022-12-21 21:35:44	novns	it can possibly, who knows
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2022-12-21 21:36:24	lolok	my vps has its fqdn as its hostname, its not arch, but still its probably fine
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2022-12-22 12:09:54	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-22 12:09:54	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1459 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1458 normals)
2022-12-22 00:55:17	achilleas	it's not bloat if you're actually using it, is it
2022-12-22 00:55:19	SysGhost	Alephpt: MS DOS
2022-12-22 00:55:40	Alephpt	everything is pushing towards 16core 4.9Ghz and 30Gb install files
2022-12-22 00:55:59	Alephpt	meant to put "CPU's" in that sentence somewhere lol
2022-12-22 00:57:24	Strykar	bloat can seem 'relative', when you're used to doing 'Full' installation on Slackware
2022-12-22 00:57:44	Alephpt	right. Question, does anyone actually use Arch in production scenarios? 
2022-12-22 00:57:55	achilleas	Define "production"
2022-12-22 00:57:56	Alephpt	and not just as a personal tool/personal environment?
2022-12-22 00:57:56	Strykar	Valve does
2022-12-22 00:58:07	SysGhost	define production environment
2022-12-22 00:58:11	SysGhost	I use Arch at work
2022-12-22 00:58:13	achilleas	I use it on my workstation.  does that count?
2022-12-22 00:58:21	Alephpt	that's what I mean "not as a personal tool"
2022-12-22 00:58:33	Alephpt	I use it on my work station, but I would never deploy it to a client VM or put a user on it
2022-12-22 00:58:52	Alephpt	I'm curious if anyone is deploying it in production (not personally)
2022-12-22 00:59:17	Strykar	I use Arch on a server, just to piss off its BOFH IRCD admin with a weekly rebott
2022-12-22 00:59:19	achilleas	like to run a server that serves customers?
2022-12-22 00:59:26	lolok	the server that hosts the arch websites runs arch
2022-12-22 00:59:30	Strykar	nobody in their right mind uses Arch in production
2022-12-22 00:59:51	SysGhost	That would be valve then. I also suspect a lot of the other "big linux guys" have Arch around just for reference and stuff like most other popular distributions.
2022-12-22 01:00:12	susi	I've run Arch on a server, you can run Arch without rebooting or even upgrading all the time
2022-12-22 01:01:01	susi	even my main computer (this) often gets 1 mo+ uptimes
2022-12-22 01:01:01	achilleas	eh, what's a little downtime between friends
2022-12-22 01:01:04	Strykar	susi: for how long
2022-12-22 01:01:24	susi	Strykar: before latest boot it was about a year
2022-12-22 01:01:29	lolok	several vps providers offer arch
2022-12-22 01:01:48	Alephpt	that's interesting
2022-12-22 01:02:01	achilleas	This IRC bouncer is on an Arch VPS on Linode
2022-12-22 01:02:04	lolok	you would think *somone* uses it or else they wouldnt bother
2022-12-22 01:02:06	Strykar	lolok: https://github.com/gh2o/digitalocean-debian-to-arch for DO when it does not
2022-12-22 01:02:17	lolok	lol nice Strykar 
2022-12-22 01:02:44	Alephpt	I was really just curious if someone was crazy enough to put Arch on a clients hardware or in a clients cluster for some reason - and what the reason was
2022-12-22 01:03:16	Alephpt	I've come up with 100s of reasons to not use Arch beyond my personal PC and personal VMs, but haven't heard any good reasons to use it in production.
2022-12-22 01:03:40	Strykar	there are none, unless you're trying to simulate downtime with a dozen reboots a month
2022-12-22 01:03:43	Alephpt	I have heard of 1 guy who did install Arch in a clients environment and build a stack in it, and then it took them 2 months to figure out what he did after he just left
2022-12-22 01:04:15	lolok	well i guess job security is a reason itself
2022-12-22 01:04:22	Alephpt	I suppose lol!
2022-12-22 01:04:31	Alephpt	I've been using Linux-Xen for a while and haven't had basically any downtime this last year, unless I created it lol
2022-12-22 01:04:42	susi	but why should you upgrade Arch a dozen times per month, especially so that it would need a reboot, and if you were to run some other distro, would it be somehow better with same upgrades and not require reboots for same stuff
2022-12-22 01:05:15	achilleas	well now I feel like doing an upgrade and reboot
2022-12-22 01:05:20	Strykar	susi: what the point of upgrading the kernel if you aren't going to boot into it
2022-12-22 01:05:31	lolok	because if they fire you nobody else is gonna do it lol thats job security
2022-12-22 01:05:44	susi	Strykar: I have my running kernel in IgnorePkg list
2022-12-22 01:05:48	Alephpt	isn't that literally the point of LTS ? 
2022-12-22 01:06:05	Scimmia	no, LTS is completely different
2022-12-22 01:06:15	Alephpt	while LTS defeats the purpose of rolling release I suppose? :think:
2022-12-22 01:06:23	lolok	anyone try kexec?
2022-12-22 01:06:25	CodeSpelunker	I have a super small PKGBUILD for the AUR, but I'm not interested in uploading or maintaining it
2022-12-22 01:06:55	CodeSpelunker	would anyone want to take a look at it and maybe upload it instead?
2022-12-22 01:06:59	SysGhost	Alephpt: "and then it took them 2 months to figure out what he did after he just left" Quite common when the "linux guy quits". I suspect it happens no matter what distribution that is being used.
2022-12-22 01:07:18	lolok	you can throw it on the forums CodeSpelunker that way someone searching for it in the future may find it
2022-12-22 01:07:32	CodeSpelunker	lolok: I don't have a forum account either lol
2022-12-22 01:07:50	lolok	theres a lot less obligation there
2022-12-22 01:07:56	CodeSpelunker	not really interested in making accounts for Arch stuff
2022-12-22 01:08:18	JamieTech	I have an AUR account, but that's about it
2022-12-22 01:08:30	CodeSpelunker	actually, I might try sending it upstream
2022-12-22 01:08:34	lolok	well you sure can pastebin it and send a link here if you want maybe someone will like it
2022-12-22 01:09:01	CodeSpelunker	lolok: sounds good, let me put it up
2022-12-22 01:09:53	lolok	if they will take it upstream that would be great too :)
2022-12-22 01:11:21	Strykar	susi: why run Arch at that point?
2022-12-22 01:11:43	susi	Strykar: because 
2022-12-22 01:11:55	susi	maybe because it's something I best know
2022-12-22 01:12:05	susi	and I like it overall anyways, more than others
2022-12-22 01:12:44	SysGhost	!ar
2022-12-22 01:12:45	phrik	Arch Rocks™
2022-12-22 01:13:56	CodeSpelunker	lolok: https://pastebin.com/MB27tSsr
2022-12-22 01:13:56	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o52S.txt
2022-12-22 01:13:57	phrik	Title: rom64-bin PKGBUILD - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-12-22 01:14:07	achilleas	sometimes waiting 6 months for a major feature to land is annoying
2022-12-22 01:14:21	CodeSpelunker	it's for a tool I saw on Github called rom64
2022-12-22 01:15:05	achilleas	like when it's released upstream and it wont get into your prod distro until they do a new release
2022-12-22 01:16:51	SysGhost	achilleas: that's when one start looking for third party repositories.
2022-12-22 01:17:32	SysGhost	And after lots of banging the head against  the wall one realise that one should've gone with the rolling release distro after all
2022-12-22 01:17:45	SysGhost	!debian2
2022-12-22 01:17:46	phrik	Eww, there's mold on this software!!
2022-12-22 01:18:00	achilleas	yeah
2022-12-22 01:18:43	achilleas	so then you have a mishmash of up-to-date stuff from 3rd party repos and older distro stuff, wondering if the 3rd party repo maintainer is doing any kind of testing against distro dependencies
2022-12-22 01:19:08	SysGhost	..or if they're still alive updating the repo
2022-12-22 01:19:22	lolok	cool tool for someone who likes n64 and emulation CodeSpelunker seems like its still being updated so maybe they will take it upstream
2022-12-22 01:19:44	CodeSpelunker	yea, I'll send it to them and see
2022-12-22 01:19:47	CodeSpelunker	thnx
2022-12-22 01:19:53	lolok	[if nobody here wannts to adopt it]
2022-12-22 01:20:00	CodeSpelunker	yeah
2022-12-22 01:20:47	Scimmia	that PKGBUILD needs some help, though
2022-12-22 01:21:01	Strykar	even before the paste service?
2022-12-22 01:22:17	Scimmia	the source downloads need renamed, the first chmod does nothing, and the rest of the package function only works for xf86_64
2022-12-22 01:22:26	Scimmia	and could be greatly simplified
2022-12-22 01:22:53	lolok	do you like nintendo Scimmia?
2022-12-22 01:23:07	Scimmia	haven't messed with N64 ROMs for many years
2022-12-22 01:23:44	lolok	my interest is only in the nes and snes :/
2022-12-22 01:24:06	lolok	maybe some gameboy
2022-12-22 01:24:36	SysGhost	genesis/sms ?
2022-12-22 01:24:38	⚡ 	Strykar is saving up for a SteamDeck
2022-12-22 01:24:42	⚡ 	Nomenclatura can be your game boy
2022-12-22 01:25:23	lolok	sega games give me vertigo
2022-12-22 01:25:30	lolok	Nomenclatura plug in my link cable
2022-12-22 01:26:25	JamieTech	Strykar: I was going to buy a steam deck when it released, put in my $5 deposit on the first day. Then they finally let me purchase one back in July.... right after I just got done moving and spending a metric ton of money buying furniture and stuff.
2022-12-22 01:26:38	JamieTech	I was really sad about that timing
2022-12-22 01:27:18	lolok	i want one too but im not gonna buy one anytime soon because i know im gonna break it
2022-12-22 01:27:59	susi	desktop pc master race
2022-12-22 01:28:28	Strykar	JamieTech: they didn't launch here so asked a mate in Vancouver to book one, his little brother took it so Ima wait for the v2 now
2022-12-22 01:51:29	SysGhost	susi: server master race! \o/
2022-12-22 01:51:37	SysGhost	(jk*)
2022-12-22 01:52:09	SysGhost	server master race look down on the desktop pc peasants!
2022-12-22 02:01:54	Strykar	there are no PC masters on top of mountains and at beaches
2022-12-22 02:25:27	lolok	wrong Strykar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXaJW5mO6tc
2022-12-22 02:25:28	phrik	Title: HighLANder - The Highest Mountaintop LAN Party EVER - LTT Official Video - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
2022-12-22 02:35:39	docmax	linux 6.1 still in "testing" ??
2022-12-22 02:49:53	mpan	docmax: https://archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&q=linux&maintainer=&flagged=
2022-12-22 02:49:55	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2022-12-22 03:00:31	lolok	the kernel is a rare exception that you can upgrade it without really breaking anything if you want to try it without enabling testing repo for the whole system you can just dl linux 6.1 package from a mirror and install with pacman -U
2022-12-22 03:00:38	lolok	docmax ^
2022-12-22 03:01:37	lolok	assuming you dont use dkms or if you do you know what youre doing about it
2022-12-22 03:02:51	lolok	well i guess also assuming the kernel itself is not broken lol
2022-12-22 05:17:34	Koragg	does somebody happen to know why this AUR package was removed, or point me to a link where I can read up on it myself perhaps? https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/manjaro-zsh-config-git
2022-12-22 05:27:13	ev0catus	Koragg: https://web.archive.org/web/20220607023252/https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/manjaro-zsh-config-git
2022-12-22 05:27:16	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - manjaro-zsh-config-git (at web.archive.org)
2022-12-22 05:28:12	Koragg	excellent thank you, I will read up on it from that link
2022-12-22 05:29:07	Koragg	ev0catus: unless I am overlooking something obvious that archive.org entry does not show why the package was removed, is this perhaps known?
2022-12-22 05:32:13	tabaqui	Why our Python package is so far behind, even in [testing]? Current stable is 3.11 for two month now 
2022-12-22 05:37:32	ev0catus	Koragg: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_User_Repository#Why_has_foo_disappeared_from_the_AUR?
2022-12-22 05:37:33	phrik	Title: Arch User Repository - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-22 05:37:39	ev0catus	> See the aur-requests archives for the reason for deletion. 
2022-12-22 05:37:45	ev0catus	Koragg: https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/aur-requests@lists.archlinux.org/message/URZ4TPHTREGWJM7MOTNXIF755YPGQMRW/
2022-12-22 05:37:47	phrik	Title: [aur-requests] [PRQ#33047] Deletion Request for manjaro-zsh-config - Aur-requests - lists.archlinux.org (at lists.archlinux.org)
2022-12-22 05:38:55	Koragg	oh my thank you very much for digging that up for me ev0catus as I was considering if it would be acceptable to upload it myself but reading that it would go against the author's wishes and therefor I will not do such of course
2022-12-22 05:39:24	Koragg	(it does however work perfectly fine on Arch so the "it is a unique Manjaro project" argument seems to me at least, a bit strange)
2022-12-22 05:40:56	Ken123	meatloaf 
2022-12-22 05:53:30	dubiago	does anyone run xrdp by chance?
2022-12-22 06:05:18	Ken123	I played around with XRDP a bunch, I never got it to work well at all and after hours of frustration I ended up using VNC, what is your question about XRDP maybe I may know something...?
2022-12-22 06:11:55	dubiago	It seems a bit...anticlimactic...at least with default settings...I just get a black screen when I login x| sesman.log gives me: Window manager (pid 35820, display 10) exited with non-zero exit code 127 and signal 0. This could indicate a window manager config problem
2022-12-22 06:14:16	dubiago	I keep seeing posts telling me to fire off session in ~/.xsession but, of course, no luck x|
2022-12-22 07:18:44	vapn	hi so i've installed arch on a machine with an _extremely_ buggy UEFI implementation, and every attempt to write EFI variables freezes the system. this includes `grub-install' and `bootctl install,' as well as the startup service "Store a System Token in an EFI Variable.' i managed to install systemd-boot with `--no-variables' but i can't get
2022-12-22 07:18:44	vapn	around the system token set at boot, and i've tried all the random-seed-mode settings in loader.conf
2022-12-22 08:01:34	powftw	trying to run this-> https://hub.docker.com/r/dpage/pgadmin4/ but it says "You need to define the PGADMIN_DEFAULT_EMAIL and PGADMIN_DEFAULT_PASSWORD or PGADMIN_DEFAULT_PASSWORD_FILE environment variables." even after i sent those env vars. I looked and found the docker entrypoint file -> https://github.com/pgadmin-org/pgadmin4/blob/master/pkg/docker/entrypoint.sh
2022-12-22 08:01:35	phrik	Title: Docker (at hub.docker.com)
2022-12-22 08:51:37	HumanLove	anyone tried install python update from aur?
2022-12-22 08:51:59	HumanLove	yay -Syu i mean
2022-12-22 08:52:01	HumanLove	python2
2022-12-22 08:52:12	HumanLove	its compiling and compiling
2022-12-22 08:52:18	HumanLove	and issue on that?
2022-12-22 09:00:32	arojas	HumanLove: and what's exactly the problem?
2022-12-22 09:03:25	HumanLove	no, there is no problem. i wanted to know, its been compiling from 30min
2022-12-22 09:10:25	HumanLove	!next
2022-12-22 09:10:25	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2022-12-22 10:33:50	kek_	if you have something like this https://sdkman.io/install that seems to have no (AUR) package and thus is not being tracked by pacman at all - what do you do? Do you just install it and remember?
2022-12-22 10:33:52	phrik	Title: Installation - SDKMAN! the Software Development Kit Manager (at sdkman.io)
2022-12-22 10:35:11	bluetail2	kek_ I mean you could start being a maintainer for that package
2022-12-22 10:35:31	mpan	kek_: then one re-reads AUR wiki page, carefully. AUR is not serving packages, it is a place where you can obtain PKGBUILDs. *You* are building and managing the package. You may as well obtain the PKGBUILD from elsewhere or write it yourself for that piece of software.
2022-12-22 10:35:51	mpan	And then pacman will track it, just like any other package you built (from AUR or not; pacman has no idea about AUR).
2022-12-22 10:36:18	rcf	kek_: you make your own package!
2022-12-22 10:36:26	rcf	That's how things end up on the AUR in the first place. 
2022-12-22 10:36:37	kek_	mpan, I know but pacman has knowledge about software installed via an AUR. bluetail2 sure but I won't use it again after today at all. 
2022-12-22 10:37:18	rcf	Install it and then delete it. 
2022-12-22 10:37:29	mpan	kek_: no, it does not. And there is no software installed “via AUR”. It’s software you built locally and installed it locally. AUR is just a website from which *you* downloaded a PKGBUILD from, about which pacman has no idea and doesn’t caare.
2022-12-22 10:37:41	rcf	mpan: this is still installing via AUR. 
2022-12-22 10:37:43	kek_	rcf, in that case sure - was just wondering because I came across a similar case but the answers cleared that up as well. 
2022-12-22 10:37:49	mpan	And, in a similar manner, you can write your own PKGBUILD instead of downloading it from AUR>
2022-12-22 10:38:01	mpan	rcf: you know what I am referring to.
2022-12-22 10:38:11	rcf	I counter less-than-useful pedantry! 
2022-12-22 10:38:19	susi	PKGBUILD is basically a shell script
2022-12-22 10:38:34	rcf	When someone says 'installing via AUR' you also know what they mean. 
2022-12-22 10:38:45	mpan	rcf: you counter an attempt to fix kek_’s misconception, which prevents them from seeing the obvious answer.
2022-12-22 10:39:12	rcf	I don't think they have a misconception, they just don't know how to, or don't want to, try to package it themselves. 
2022-12-22 10:39:47	mpan	rcf: I will discuss that later to not cause noise.
2022-12-22 10:40:14	mpan	kek_: just write your own PKGBUILD, instead of using someone else’s.
2022-12-22 10:40:31	rcf	kek_: to prevent system pollution, there's also containers. But that might be more work than just writing the PKGBUILD yourself. 
2022-12-22 10:41:00	mpan	However, the installation instructions on that page doesn’t suggest the software can be installed globally to start with. And suggests running random code from the internet.
2022-12-22 10:41:28	mpan	So it seems the best idea is to create a separate user and follow the instructions. Or use a container.
2022-12-22 10:42:25	kek_	mpan, I think it's used in build scripts for java code by simply running something like "source $HOME/.sdkman/..." for whatever reason.
2022-12-22 10:43:46	kek_	thanks for the input. I don't know why I didn't think of writing my own PKDBUILd file, I think the main reason was because I thought of it as a tool to share software rather than a tool to teach pacman about software i.e. I never thought of it as something I can use privately. Kind of obvious on hindsight.
2022-12-22 10:44:09	mpan	Probably because of being trapped in the pacman+AUR mindset, which is why I stresset that so much.
2022-12-22 10:44:21	kek_	rcf, what containers?
2022-12-22 10:45:00	rcf	kek_: your own, but if it's in $HOME/.sdkman... probably just keep it there, it won't pollute the system 
2022-12-22 10:46:37	mpan	Yeah, looking in the install script, it must be installed to the user, not globally. So it seems you even can’t manage it with a package manager.
2022-12-22 10:48:04	mpan	Also beware that it downloads and deploys files without verifying their authenticity.
2022-12-22 10:49:28	kidnextdoor	good morning linuxers
2022-12-22 10:50:11	kidnextdoor	i am trying to make a fresh install of arch on a VM but i cant since yesterday, when i try pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring i got 3 errors
2022-12-22 10:50:56	kidnextdoor	is this a situation that i should wait or is something im doing wrong?
2022-12-22 10:53:42	rcf	What are the exact errors? 
2022-12-22 10:53:49	kidnextdoor	clear
2022-12-22 10:55:07	kidnextdoor	sorry, after i done pacman-jey --init and --refresh, i try run pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring and i get a failed to commit transaction because archlinux-keyring being corrupted
2022-12-22 10:58:35	BrainDamage	don't paraphrase errors, copypaste them as-is
2022-12-22 10:58:42	BrainDamage	even better, upload the whole log
2022-12-22 10:59:05	kidnextdoor	im on a VM running arch iso terminal, i dont believe i can copy paste it
2022-12-22 10:59:31	BrainDamage	screenshot
2022-12-22 10:59:45	kidnextdoor	ok wait
2022-12-22 11:00:07	BrainDamage	and you can upload it from the vm itself
2022-12-22 11:00:11	BrainDamage	!ix
2022-12-22 11:00:11	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-12-22 11:01:22	kidnextdoor	whats a good bin website for images?
2022-12-22 11:01:52	BrainDamage	upload the log, use phrik's command
2022-12-22 11:02:59	kidnextdoor	https://ctrl.vi/i/V0F455wZ4
2022-12-22 11:05:26	kidnextdoor	can you guys see the image? if you open in new tab image get good visibility
2022-12-22 11:10:05	BrainDamage	pacman-key --populate
2022-12-22 11:11:10	⚡ 	rcf is the sort who thinks that the state of keyservers these days would justify the removal of --refresh entirely, but that's beside the point
2022-12-22 11:13:09	kidnextdoor	https://ctrl.vi/i/OdX0wRjuY
2022-12-22 11:14:31	BrainDamage	that's quite the mess you have there
2022-12-22 11:14:44	BrainDamage	from when was that iso?
2022-12-22 11:15:10	kidnextdoor	2022-12-1 the latest
2022-12-22 11:15:58	kidnextdoor	it happened after yesterday update, yesterday some updates came up and since then i cant install it
2022-12-22 11:17:44	dualinity2	left my laptop on overnight, now suddenly my touchpad behaves weirdly...... after I move the cursor down a little bit (works normally), then it starts to suddenly scroll :/
2022-12-22 11:18:21	kidnextdoor	i must say this is shacking my trust in arch, im trying to convince myself that buying a 5000$ pc and install arch is not a bad idea, but...
2022-12-22 11:19:00	dualinity2	I was usin OSX of my gf yesterday and it had so many stupidities that I'm sure Arch is better
2022-12-22 11:20:49	dualinity2	would anyone know what kind of setting could cause "normal mousement to activate scrolling"?
2022-12-22 11:21:54	kidnextdoor	i would try a keybinding for your middle mouse button in your keybindings config file of your wm or desktop
2022-12-22 11:21:54	BrainDamage	edge scrolling?
2022-12-22 11:23:01	susi	skin grease on touchpad 
2022-12-22 11:23:02	dualinity2	I confirmed that the trackpoint works normally
2022-12-22 11:23:28	dualinity2	I wiped the touchpad already
2022-12-22 11:23:50	dualinity2	It's not on the edge the scrolling considered that too, even just in the middle
2022-12-22 11:24:15	rcf	I assume this behavior persists through reboots? 
2022-12-22 11:24:26	dualinity2	I disabled middle and right mouse button for the touchpad and still the same
2022-12-22 11:24:36	dualinity2	yea rebooted a few times and updated packages
2022-12-22 11:24:38	susi	dualinity2: do you see errors in dmesg?
2022-12-22 11:24:53	susi	I sometimes get touchpad bug errors there
2022-12-22 11:24:53	dualinity2	susi: how to check?
2022-12-22 11:27:15	susi	you can use journalctl or dmesg commands 
2022-12-22 11:27:31	susi	I'd recommend reading about those commands, especially journalctl
2022-12-22 11:31:38	dualinity2	which pastebin to use again?
2022-12-22 11:31:43	mpan	!paste
2022-12-22 11:31:44	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-12-22 11:32:46	susi	dualinity2: but do not paste just `journalctl' output, it will output all your journals
2022-12-22 11:33:07	dualinity2	https://paste.rs/Gev
2022-12-22 11:33:19	dualinity2	I think it must be one of these mouse settings that's off?
2022-12-22 11:35:55	dualinity2	```
2022-12-22 11:35:55	dualinity2	xinput set-prop "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" "Synaptics Coasting Speed" 0
2022-12-22 11:35:56	dualinity2	X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
2022-12-22 11:35:57	dualinity2	  Major opcode of failed request:  131 (XInputExtension)
2022-12-22 11:35:57	dualinity2	  Minor opcode of failed request:  57 ()
2022-12-22 11:35:58	dualinity2	  Serial number of failed request:  21
2022-12-22 11:35:58	dualinity2	  Current serial number in output stream:  22
2022-12-22 11:35:59	dualinity2	```
2022-12-22 11:37:32	mpan	dualinity2: beware, the bot will kick you if you post many lines in quick succession. For more than 3 lines use one of the aforementioned pastebins.
2022-12-22 11:39:47	luigibu	hi people.. i have an issue with my instalation.. when i start the computer it boot perfect.. but if i restart from the OS system cant find the booth partition.. then.. i just press ctrl + alt + sup and with that restart.. the computer boot fine again. any clue? thanks
2022-12-22 11:44:02	gromit	luigibu: does it not find the partition where /boot is located or does it not show your bootloader? 
2022-12-22 11:44:35	gromit	For the first issue you maybe used device names like /dev/sdb in /etc/fstab instead of UUIDs
2022-12-22 11:47:04	susi	dualinity2: you might want to switch to the libinput driver, if possible
2022-12-22 11:51:33	dualinity2	susi: it is installed
2022-12-22 11:51:45	susi	but from your paste, it's not in use
2022-12-22 11:51:48	dualinity2	I have a 40-libinput.conf
2022-12-22 11:52:12	dualinity2	how can you tell :o?
2022-12-22 11:52:13	susi	at least not for your touchpad control
2022-12-22 11:52:58	susi	dualinity2: your props listing has "Synaptics" all over it instead of libinput
2022-12-22 11:54:16	grawity	xf86-input-synaptics is set up to have priority whenever installed, even if libinput is also installed
2022-12-22 11:54:23	grawity	so just remove the package
2022-12-22 11:59:04	dualinity2	I removed 70-synaptics but still same input device exists
2022-12-22 11:59:21	grawity	that's fine, but did the *property* names change?
2022-12-22 11:59:37	grawity	it's still a Synaptics touchpad even if it no longer uses the synaptics driver
2022-12-22 11:59:46	grawity	so the actual device name will stay
2022-12-22 11:59:59	dualinity2	unfort not, still everwhere it says synaptics
2022-12-22 12:00:20	grawity	uninstall the whole xf86-input-synaptics package?
2022-12-22 12:03:05	dualinity2	woo, now the mouse is unbearably slow but at least not the same bug
2022-12-22 12:03:58	susi	libinput touchpad users may want to enable at least Tapping, and DisableWhileTyping, which aren't 'on' by default
2022-12-22 12:04:11	susi	I have also switched the ClickMethod to clickfinger
2022-12-22 12:07:11	grawity	for speed try tweaking "libinput Accel Speed" (e.g. set to 0.3 or 0.7 or such) ... my previous laptop used to report wrong WxH for the touchpad so libinput assumed the wrong DPI, `touchpad-edge-detector` can be used to check for that
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2022-12-22 12:13:12	dualinity2	yea had to set accel speed to 1 and it still is not as fast as it was before, but pretty close
2022-12-22 12:13:43	dualinity2	now two finger scroll just stops after some distance traveled :/
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2022-12-22 12:20:30	dualinity2	or like it has some kind of reload
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2022-12-22 22:12:54	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-12-22 23:10:47	susi	hjalp me
2022-12-22 23:10:58	susi	for no obvious reason, dunno why, at some point I start getting "[Dec22 22:02] r8169 0000:01:00.2 enp1s0f2: Link is Down
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2022-12-23 10:45:59	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-12-23 00:52:49	fvb	  k
2022-12-23 01:02:50	susi	oh, my exif isn't from repos, sorry
2022-12-23 01:04:04	dubiago	sorry for the n00b question. what, precisely, is AUR?
2022-12-23 01:04:30	susi	dubiago: try wiki
2022-12-23 01:04:39	another	!give dubiago aw aur
2022-12-23 01:04:41	phrik	dubiago: Aur - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Aur
2022-12-23 01:05:54	dubiago	ahhh, cool. i dig. i installed my first AUR packages yesterday.
2022-12-23 01:05:58	macbethwin	got the same question but shall !wiki the heck out of it
2022-12-23 01:06:42	susi	Dotz0cat: but this exif ['from' aur] is nice command-line tool 
2022-12-23 01:47:34	TheDcoder	Hi, why is a ssh-agent daemon running in my Xfce user session? I don't remember enabling it
2022-12-23 01:48:11	TheDcoder	And yes, I checked the "auto-start" applications and SSH Key Agent is disabled
2022-12-23 01:49:59	TheDcoder	htop tells me the parent of the daemon process is init
2022-12-23 02:06:32	susi	TheDcoder: check pstree
2022-12-23 02:06:50	TheDcoder	what does pstree do?
2022-12-23 02:07:47	susi	it's a nice tool to display process trees
2022-12-23 02:08:41	another	htop already does that. plus it doesn't help with the issue
2022-12-23 02:09:24	another	TheDcoder: do you have like gnome services or something in autostart?
2022-12-23 02:10:46	TheDcoder	another: no, just checked
2022-12-23 02:14:37	susi	TheDcoder: do you use lightdm?
2022-12-23 02:14:49	TheDcoder	yes!
2022-12-23 02:15:27	TheDcoder	wait, I might have switched to GDM
2022-12-23 02:15:47	TheDcoder	...might that be the culprit?
2022-12-23 02:16:02	susi	sorry, nope, nvm
2022-12-23 02:16:11	susi	my memory was faulty
2022-12-23 02:20:55	silentbugs	When I use tmux locally and ssh to a remote machine and type something, I hit backspace and the cursor just moves forward. I don't even know how to explain the issue further. What should I be looking into and how could I debug this?
2022-12-23 02:25:33	throstur	silentbugs: try changing things, like changing your terminal emulator
2022-12-23 02:25:35	ectospasm	silentbugs: you need to set your TERM variable to something proper, like tmux-256color.
2022-12-23 02:25:50	ectospasm	Do that in your terminal emulator.
2022-12-23 02:26:25	ectospasm	!aw terminfo
2022-12-23 02:26:26	phrik	ectospasm: No results found.
2022-12-23 02:26:32	ectospasm	Really?
2022-12-23 02:26:39	silentbugs	ectospasm: my local one or the remote one?
2022-12-23 02:27:01	silentbugs	local $TERM is `tmux-256color`
2022-12-23 02:27:20	ectospasm	The remote one should inherit the local one, but you may need to install the proper terminfo files on the remote side.
2022-12-23 02:29:12	ectospasm	This may be of use:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Home_and_End_keys_not_working
2022-12-23 02:29:14	phrik	Title: Home and End keys not working - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-23 02:42:39	macbethwin	hell yeah.
2022-12-23 02:45:50	macbethwin	them knights that did not say nay played a hell of a game of pinball jeeeesus jumping holy christ!!
2022-12-23 02:50:53	silentbugs	ectospasm thanks a lot for the info
2022-12-23 03:34:14	agowa338	Hi, is there a way to have /dev/disk/by-uuid automatically generated for LVM and Luks volumes automatically?
2022-12-23 03:36:02	Nomenclatura	FS has its own uuid
2022-12-23 03:37:00	Nomenclatura	you can use that. Or something else under /dev/disk/by-* I like using path
2022-12-23 03:37:21	ev0catus	black boy black boy turn that shit down
2022-12-23 03:37:23	ev0catus	FUCK DAT
2022-12-23 03:37:29	ev0catus	now feel tha terror in my sound.
2022-12-23 03:42:21	lolok	!quote jitterssnowpaw
2022-12-23 03:42:22	phrik	lolok: <JittersSnowpaw> lol ok then fuck you I don't need to come back anyway. Fuck you. Seriously, fuck you. Fuck you fuck you and fuck you. FUCK YOU.
2022-12-23 05:23:20	agowa338	Nomenclatura: Sorry missed your message because of the spam earlier. Yes the FS has it's own UUID, but some software just looks in that directory and wants to find the drive with the given uuid there. Is there a way to create the symlinks in there automatically? Maybe automatically when the drive is detected? Would udev rules help (havent used them until now)?
2022-12-23 05:57:13	phantomotap	Hello, folks. I think I borked my system. I just updated after a bit, and I can't build a couple of Qt5Webkit things. I get a huge number of ICU references--at least I think--to 71 version.
2022-12-23 05:57:35	phantomotap	e.g. ubrk_open_71 ucnv_close_71
2022-12-23 05:57:37	phantomotap	and so on
2022-12-23 06:24:17	phantomotap	Oh. I see. The Qt5 package is long moved and not updated for ICU 72 version. Using icu71-bin is apparently working.
2022-12-23 06:30:34	m00n	is there any trackers i can add to the install iso magnet link to take more advantage of my bandwidth?
2022-12-23 06:32:30	drae	good morning
2022-12-23 06:34:03	m00n	o7
2022-12-23 07:53:01	m00n	is there any trackers i can add to the install iso magnet link to take more advantage of my bandwidth?
2022-12-23 07:53:08	m00n	are?
2022-12-23 08:00:35	bluetail	if its too slow use another mirror (non torrent)
2022-12-23 08:01:41	mpan	m00n: no, this is a trackerless torrent.
2022-12-23 08:02:45	mpan	m00n: if it’s for downloading only, use the .torrent file instead of a magnet — you will get a list of HTTP sources too. If it’s for uploading, there is little traffic after the first week.
2022-12-23 08:06:31	m00n	bluetail, i already have it, im trying to seed
2022-12-23 08:06:44	m00n	mpan, oh ok
2022-12-23 08:07:07	m00n	im setting up the rss so ill get the next one then
2022-12-23 08:07:27	m00n	it took ages to get so i was sorta worried
2022-12-23 08:07:32	m00n	"ages"
2022-12-23 08:16:40	mpan	m00n: for some reason the seeding stats differ across users too. I reach about 100 copies seeded, some other user reported much much more earlier. And that’s not a matter of bandwidth: the reason remains unknown.
2022-12-23 08:20:51	m00n	weird
2022-12-23 08:21:09	m00n	distributed networking is weird, all i can say
2022-12-23 08:22:30	m00n	i think for me the delay is probably just my settings
2022-12-23 09:42:28	chronos3	when will linux 6.1 come to arch linux installation ISO's?
2022-12-23 09:43:52	Ennea	there's one iso per month, so i suppose the january one will have 6.1
2022-12-23 09:47:03	SysGhost	chronos3: You can always build your own Arch ISO with the stuff you want: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/archiso
2022-12-23 09:47:04	phrik	Title: Archiso - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-23 09:58:09	chronos3	SysGhost, Im not using arch. How do I configure the online builder ?
2022-12-23 10:02:32	Ennea	do you specifically need 6.1 in the iso?
2022-12-23 10:08:21	SysGhost	I know far too little about the online builder to be of any help there.
2022-12-23 10:14:19	izmar	Hi, when I try to run pacman -Syu I get 502, 404 and other download errors against linux-6.0.12.arch1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst and various mirrors. How do I fix this?
2022-12-23 10:14:31	mpan	izmar: by changing the mirror.
2022-12-23 10:15:27	agowa338	izmar: or waiting. Could also mean that their sync is only partially complete and they already updated the database...
2022-12-23 10:15:46	izmar	mpan: Even if there's already a list of 4+ different mirrors? I was able to run pacman -S pacman-mirrorlist without issues btw.
2022-12-23 10:15:54	mpan	izmar: pacman uses only one mirror, always.
2022-12-23 10:16:25	mpan	The others are attempted only if the first one fails, but that usually ends in a cascade of errors caused by first using the first mirror.
2022-12-23 10:16:54	mpan	(those other errors are a direct consequence of the first mirror being broken, it’s nothing wrong with the other mirrors)
2022-12-23 10:17:21	izmar	Ok, might changing the mirror still help in my case?
2022-12-23 10:17:28	mpan	izmar: yes, that’s what I said.
2022-12-23 10:17:47	izmar	Ok. I'll check the docs, thanks.
2022-12-23 10:18:34	coruja	!give izmar mirrorcheck
2022-12-23 10:18:35	phrik	izmar: http://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/status/
2022-12-23 10:19:13	izmar	Cheers coruja
2022-12-23 10:39:24	chronos3	Ennea, yes I need it. Since earlier versions do not support my laptop keyboard
2022-12-23 10:45:59	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-23 10:49:39	izmar	When I do pacman -Syu I get a signature from foo is invalid. I ran pacman -Syu pacman-keyring before. How should I approach this?
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2022-12-23 10:51:57	mags	izmar: pacman -S archlinux-keyring
2022-12-23 10:52:44	coruja	!give izmar fixkeyring
2022-12-23 10:52:45	phrik	izmar: Your keyring issue would be probably fixed by: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
2022-12-23 10:53:13	izmar	Thanks
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2022-12-23 10:56:43	izmar	Still the same issue
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2022-12-23 11:02:47	mags	well, that's strange then... maybe clear the package cache (pacman -Scc) and download again?
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2022-12-23 11:03:24	izmar	fwiw I manually deleted the offending package from /var/cache/pacman/pkg and that didn't make a difference, but I'll try that mags
2022-12-23 11:03:51	coruja	can you paste the output of the commands you tried? i recall something with keys and populate but not exactly unfortunately
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2022-12-23 15:02:38	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-23 15:36:17	susi	ok, now it's happening again - the power usage of my laptop suddenly, after about 12-24h of usage 3x's, after the first '[Dec23 14:44] r8169 0000:01:00.2 enp1s0f2: Link is Down
2022-12-23 15:36:39	susi	i have not found the culprit - even the eth driver r8169 is rmmod'd
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2022-12-23 15:38:09	Namarrgon	what's the cpu load doing?
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2022-12-23 15:43:47	susi	wait a sec, I did some things today, and it did not happen this time - only for a momentarily, but then dropped back to normal
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2022-12-23 15:44:54	susi	part of me debugging this, doing things in advance, because it seemed nothing helps afterwards
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2022-12-23 15:58:04	mingdao	I have a laptop to debug, because the fans only run if I issue `sensors`, and only for 5s then and stop.  Never run otherwise.
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2022-12-23 15:58:42	Bayes	mornin'
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2022-12-23 16:01:56	Bayes	im using nvida-470xx-utils (AUR). Yesterday I updated something via pacman. X wouldn't start after reboot because it wanted to load the nouveau drivers, which I don't have. I reinstalled nvida-470xx-utils from AUR and it worked fine.
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2022-12-23 16:02:59	Bayes	so, my question is... I'm looking at the list of changes from yesterday http://ix.io/4jme
2022-12-23 16:03:35	Bayes	I don't see anything obvious. I wanted to know if I could do things better next time so I don't update something that will overwrite my drivers
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2022-12-23 16:03:48	Namarrgon	do you use the dkms version of the nvidia driver?
2022-12-23 16:03:51	haroon	i think with a update of the linux kernel you need to recompile the aur package?
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2022-12-23 16:04:05	haroon	yeah or use dkms
2022-12-23 16:04:12	Namarrgon	if not then you have to manually rebuild the driver after every kernel update
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2022-12-23 16:04:41	Bayes	Namarrgon, yup I use nvidia-470xx-dkms from AUR https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nvidia-470xx-dkms
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2022-12-23 16:04:43	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - nvidia-470xx-utils (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2022-12-23 16:05:22	Bayes	so, do I need to rebuild the aur package manually after I update the kernel?
2022-12-23 16:05:46	Namarrgon	only if the new kernel required "upstream" changes
2022-12-23 16:05:57	Namarrgon	or a fixup for the PKGBUILD or the dkms script
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2022-12-23 16:06:22	Namarrgon	always keep an eye on the aur comments
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2022-12-23 16:06:28	Bayes	but I guess my question is, if I install nvidia-470xx-dkms wouldn't dkms take care of this instead of having me rebuild it manually?
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2022-12-23 16:06:43	Namarrgon	yes, it should take care of it
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2022-12-23 16:06:56	Bayes	ok so something went wrong for some reason
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2022-12-23 16:07:04	haroon	yes, however you mentioned you reinstalled xx-utils, which doesnt have a dkms package?
2022-12-23 16:07:14	Bayes	but ideally I shouldn't need to do this by hand
2022-12-23 16:07:31	Namarrgon	ideally you should get a gpu that has supportable drivers
2022-12-23 16:07:53	Bayes	haroon, actually ,if you look at this the package name is dkms even tho the git clone url says utils
2022-12-23 16:07:57	Namarrgon	haroon: the -utils package doesn't have anything kernel-specific and doesn't need a rebuild
2022-12-23 16:08:25	Namarrgon	only the kernel driver needs to be rebuilt against the kernel
2022-12-23 16:08:37	Namarrgon	driver/module
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2022-12-23 16:09:31	Bayes	im pullin up pacman logs to see if anything went wrong yesterday
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2022-12-23 16:10:38	Bayes	oh this is it http://ix.io/4jmj
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2022-12-23 16:11:15	Bayes	something went wrong when dkms tried to rebuild after the kernel update
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2022-12-23 16:11:39	Namarrgon	your nvidia packages were out of date
2022-12-23 16:11:55	Namarrgon	https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/log/?h=nvidia-470xx-utils
2022-12-23 16:12:00	Bayes	of course, because it's an AUR package and I didn't update it manually
2022-12-23 16:12:04	Namarrgon	-> partial update
2022-12-23 16:12:39	Bayes	is this where yam or some wrapper that integrates AUR can be beneficial?
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2022-12-23 16:12:56	Namarrgon	not really
2022-12-23 16:13:05	Bayes	Namarrgon, thanks for that link
2022-12-23 16:13:14	Namarrgon	if you use unofficial packages then you have to keep track of them
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2022-12-23 16:13:44	Bayes	yeah my band
2022-12-23 16:13:45	Namarrgon	you can not just install something and then forget about it, that doesn't end well on any distro and on arch it's even accelerated
2022-12-23 16:14:08	Namarrgon	having unsupported nvidia hardware doesn't help either
2022-12-23 16:14:31	Bayes	fortunately it only took me about 15 mins to debug the whole issue, which is a first since I'll usually waste hours until I can make an educated guess lol
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2022-12-23 16:15:13	Bayes	yeah for now I'll have to make do with this gpu but maybe next year I can get a used gpu with better support
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2022-12-23 16:15:44	lolok	idk yam but yay wont even look for aur upgrades until after it does regular repos if you dont call it with the aur only option first; i dont think aur helpers are bad, as long as you dont get in the habbit of not reading pkgbuilds or installing random things like its a normal repo
2022-12-23 16:16:47	Bayes	it'd also help with temps, since I migrated from nouveau to nvidia-470xx-dkms I can hear the fan spinning harder and reported temp is 73C wut
2022-12-23 16:18:03	lolok	i dont have a source for this but i was told that nouevau cant change the power states on modern cards so they are always drawing minimum voltage
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2022-12-23 16:19:15	Bayes	yeah with these drivers the slowdown temp is 101C so it's working at 73C with fans speed at 43% only
2022-12-23 16:20:14	Bayes	and when you use the control panel to set the fan speed manual it won't overwrite the setting :D
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2022-12-23 16:21:14	Bayes	anyway I learned it the hard way that supported hardware is actually better :P
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2022-12-23 16:24:33	lolok	using radeon 😏
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2022-12-23 16:25:38	Bayes	right now Im using hw as I was kindly given, next year when/if I get a decent job I should be able to replace some parts
2022-12-23 16:26:20	Bayes	this card is more than enough, so there's no hurry except support, all I use this machine for is computing and programming
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2022-12-23 16:31:10	lolok	actually, i would say you would be best not going for the most new parts either, i just got bitten last week by a bug in amdgpu which crashed xorg that seems to have only affected the last generation cards
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2022-12-23 16:31:22	dav1d	Is it possible to only ignore a specific package version, e.g. I want to ignore systemd 252 but I would like to get systemd 253?
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2022-12-23 16:34:49	lolok	im not sure if the ingorepackage option in pacman.conf can take a version number as part of the argument, but even if it doesnt, i would still use it for this and just watch which version is in the repo [pacman will tell you as its ignoring it] and wait for it to pass the version you think is a problem, since you are always watching the output of pacman, like a good boy to get presents from
2022-12-23 16:34:49	lolok	santa...
2022-12-23 16:35:12	lolok	IgnorePkg*
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2022-12-23 16:39:59	dav1d	lolok, thanks for making me double check, I see it now in the -Syu that's good enough
2022-12-23 16:39:59	lolok	cheers
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2022-12-23 16:59:52	bluetail	Bayes sure
2022-12-23 17:00:21	drocan	Bayes: tack the command after your ssh command, like ssh foobar ls
2022-12-23 17:01:08	Bayes	doing `ssh foobar ls` however will not keep connect to the remote address tho?
2022-12-23 17:01:31	bluetail	you have to put the command in ''
2022-12-23 17:01:40	bluetail	ssh 'foobar ls'
2022-12-23 17:02:06	bluetail	also theres a couple other things you have to consider, such as the output you may want to collect
2022-12-23 17:02:19	Bayes	ssh remote 'ls' or ssh remote ls will both connect to remote, run ls, and close the connection
2022-12-23 17:02:21	bluetail	you can... use stdin and stdout
2022-12-23 17:02:45	Bayes	I'd like to connect to remote, run ls, but also keep the connection open
2022-12-23 17:02:59	drocan	why?
2022-12-23 17:03:07	bluetail	ssh < yourcommands.sh > yourlogfile.log
2022-12-23 17:03:08	drocan	because that sounds like a bashrc thing
2022-12-23 17:03:27	yenaras	would it work if you chain it with && ?
2022-12-23 17:04:10	Bayes	nope
2022-12-23 17:04:26	Bayes	that's fine it's not a very interesting use case anyway
2022-12-23 17:04:51	BrainDamage	Bayes: you'd have to launch a shell  after your command, problem is it'll also blank the terminal, so you'll miss the first command's output
2022-12-23 17:05:23	BrainDamage	so eg ssh hostname-t 'ls; bash -i'
2022-12-23 17:05:25	BrainDamage	but ls's output will be lost
2022-12-23 17:05:58	Bayes	oh yeah that works
2022-12-23 17:06:03	Bayes	I get what you mean
2022-12-23 17:41:08	Ketchup901	i've enabled the playerctld daemon and it works great, thank you for the tip
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2022-12-23 18:07:11	powftw	this is some pain. How does everyone run pgadmin?
2022-12-23 18:07:48	ChrisWarrick	powftw: there should be a pacman or aur package for it
2022-12-23 18:08:21	powftw	ahhh!! this is quite new package
2022-12-23 18:08:36	powftw	it wasn't in official repo before
2022-12-23 18:08:55	ChrisWarrick	it should have been in the AUR
2022-12-23 18:10:29	mpan	That would be against AUR submission rules, since there already is the same package in official repos.
2022-12-23 18:10:45	ChrisWarrick	18:08:36 <powftw> it wasn't in official repo before
2022-12-23 18:11:13	mpan	But it is now.
2022-12-23 18:11:31	grawity	that doesn't mean that "should have been in the AUR" would've been against AUR submission rules in the past lol
2022-12-23 18:11:52	powftw	Ubuntu people are installing via snap and other stuff 
2022-12-23 18:12:01	ChrisWarrick	ubuntu people do a lot of dumb things
2022-12-23 18:12:23	mpan	I feel tempted to !grab that. ;)
2022-12-23 18:13:17	ChrisWarrick	to answer the original question about docker, you need to explicitly set or pass them in your `docker run` call: https://docs.docker.com/engine/reference/commandline/run/#set-environment-variables--e---env---env-file
2022-12-23 18:13:17	phrik	Title: docker run | Docker Documentation (at docs.docker.com)
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2022-12-23 18:14:10	Ketchup901	people use docker when it's totally unnecessary
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2022-12-25 18:51:01	rcf	h4rd3n3d: given that I never use optical media anyway, I get around that by leaving a rEFInd disc in the drive to then select either Windows or systemd-boot, regardless of nvram. 
2022-12-25 18:51:13	rcf	(at least on the system I dual-boot Windows) 
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2022-12-25 18:56:53	rcf	At one point I had a script set to run on each Windows boot that would reconfigure UEFI appropriately, but that particular system is long dead. 
2022-12-25 18:57:34	rcf	(in that case even the removable media settings were erased) 
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2022-12-25 19:00:44	heat	rcf, was it a mythical EFI shell script? :v
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2022-12-25 19:23:23	colo	rcf, please capitalize correctly.
2022-12-25 19:25:30	NetSysFire	found the ms shill
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2022-12-26 02:11:47	Hunker	NetSysFire: I use efi but if you mean if it shows the boot process and so on?
2022-12-26 02:11:52	NetSysFire	yes
2022-12-26 02:11:56	NetSysFire	or the bios settings
2022-12-26 02:12:33	Hunker	this mashine has nearly no settings but I can make a check
2022-12-26 02:12:52	NetSysFire	just to make sure its not a hw failure
2022-12-26 02:16:53	Hunker_	NetSysFire: Last reboot it did not but now after I had it unplugged It actually came online :)
2022-12-26 02:17:34	NetSysFire	sounds like a transient hardware thing
2022-12-26 02:17:55	NetSysFire	edid is indeed related to display stuff, not cpu, so it makes perfect sense
2022-12-26 02:19:44	rcf	I have a weird display with poor shielding that behaves this way when I switch off my desk fan 
2022-12-26 02:19:57	NetSysFire	your hardware is cursed
2022-12-26 02:20:09	rcf	Sometimes it just loses sync and I get fun rainbow static patterns 
2022-12-26 02:20:45	rcf	I did buy the $1 AliExpress special cable which may have something to do with it
2022-12-26 02:21:10	trillian	yeah that just sounds like a bad cable
2022-12-26 02:21:23	trillian	edid checksum failures can also be caused by flipped bits
2022-12-26 02:21:29	Hunker_	TRANSIENT? 
2022-12-26 02:21:42	Hunker_	like comunication?
2022-12-26 02:21:47	trillian	transient = temporary
2022-12-26 02:21:48	NetSysFire	no, as in it went away
2022-12-26 02:21:51	NetSysFire	yeah
2022-12-26 02:21:55	Hunker_	ok
2022-12-26 02:21:56	NetSysFire	you hinted at it being temperature related
2022-12-26 02:23:01	Hunker_	nahh I have -5c inside
2022-12-26 02:23:31	Hunker_	living in my old ship with a hairdryer under the blanket
2022-12-26 02:23:42	NetSysFire	maybe this is why your system froze
2022-12-26 02:23:47	⚡ 	NetSysFire ducks
2022-12-26 02:23:49	Hunker_	maybe
2022-12-26 02:24:03	rcf	Hunker_: all temperature extremes can cause weirdness, at that temperature you get contractions that can cause intermittent connection failures but also just condensation 
2022-12-26 02:25:10	Hunker_	yeah at -10 -15 things like phones and pads like to opt out
2022-12-26 02:25:32	Hunker_	but -5 is still ok
2022-12-26 02:26:21	Hunker_	I have my aircard incapsulated in styrofome
2022-12-26 02:27:31	Hunker_	it heats it self and if it gets colder one can always teip on styrofoam to stuff
2022-12-26 02:29:57	SponiX	was trying to pacstrap a few hours ago and there was an error on the openssl install portion
2022-12-26 02:30:07	SponiX	anyone know if that has been resolved ?
2022-12-26 02:30:15	NetSysFire	without a precise error message, no
2022-12-26 02:32:53	SponiX	Yeah, I will see if the installer is still up and take one of those blurry screen shots of it :P
2022-12-26 02:33:16	SponiX	you know, the ones on a potato camera that are at an angle with poor lighting
2022-12-26 02:37:17	SponiX	Something about marginal trust and a PGP signature problem https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/rTSvZPyH/IMG_0752.JPG
2022-12-26 02:38:06	Curvature	mpan: Thanks for the info!
2022-12-26 02:41:39	SponiX	Do I need to set a more forgiving PGP config?
2022-12-26 02:42:20	trillian	iirc this was some problem with the default PGP keyserver not sending the right keys, setting your gpg to use the mit keyserver fixed it i think
2022-12-26 02:42:33	trillian	or well i had a slightly different pgp issue recently but that fixed it
2022-12-26 02:44:04	SponiX	Cool
2022-12-26 02:49:46	Scimmia	SponiX: just -Sy archlinux-keyring on the live system. The keyring is out of date
2022-12-26 02:55:35	SponiX	THANKS. That got it moving
2022-12-26 04:13:09	thurstylark	hrm... my boot process broke on an update... Dumped me to an emergency shell saying that no fs specified for new_root, and the target partition is an lvm member that it's booted to before. Started poking around in the emergency shell env by mounting my ESP, but even that fails with "unknown filesystem type 'vfat'". Where should I start with this?
2022-12-26 04:14:09	Scimmia	thurstylark: try the fallback?
2022-12-26 04:14:44	Scimmia	although if it's a messed up mkinitcpio.conf, that probably won't help
2022-12-26 04:21:29	thurstylark	huh, guess I didn't set the fallback initrd up on this one... Gonna get into the install iso env and configure that, then look at mkinitcpio.conf
2022-12-26 04:22:26	sadtaco	https://blog.vladzahorodnii.com/2021/12/31/more-consistent-font-rendering-in-plasma/ where do I set this "profile script" value at?
2022-12-26 04:22:27	phrik	Title: More consistent font rendering in Plasma – Vlad Zahorodnii's Blog (at blog.vladzahorodnii.com)
2022-12-26 04:22:44	sadtaco	But yeah er I'd describe the fonts in kde plasma wayland, on 1920x1200, as being "grainy" looking.
2022-12-26 04:22:48	Scimmia	thurstylark: you have to specifically disable it, it's there by default. Makes me wonder if you ran out of space or something
2022-12-26 04:23:39	Scimmia	sadtaco: I believe there's a wiki page about setting environmental variables
2022-12-26 04:25:42	thurstylark	Scimmia: sorry, I meant bootloader config to let me get into the fallback initrd. the fallback initrd is there, but I'm getting the same behavior when booting to it
2022-12-26 04:26:13	Scimmia	ah, yeah, that makes sense
2022-12-26 04:26:39	Scimmia	thurstylark: honestly, my first guess is an incorrectly merged mkinitcpio.conf. It was updated recently.
2022-12-26 04:27:04	thurstylark	aahhh, that's probably it. forgot my pacnews :P
2022-12-26 04:27:52	Scimmia	the old one should still work, the new hooks aren't required, so ignoring it wouldn't have caused a problem, just a bad merge
2022-12-26 04:33:12	thurstylark	ahh, yeah, I bet that's actually it. Tried running `mkinitcpio -P` without changing anything to see if it fails, and I'm not seeing the lvm2 hook being run in the output
2022-12-26 04:33:35	thurstylark	yup. it's missing
2022-12-26 04:34:01	sadtaco	Hm I put it in /etc/environment and reloaded the DE. Don't see any difference. I do see it in `printenv` though...
2022-12-26 04:35:24	thurstylark	Scimmia: Would a missing hook also explain why the initrd env couldn't deal with vfat as well?
2022-12-26 04:36:05	Scimmia	thurstylark: unless you specifically add it, there's no reason for vfat to be in the initramfs
2022-12-26 04:36:17	Scimmia	it's only concerned with mounting the system root
2022-12-26 04:36:21	thurstylark	well, I guess that's not necessary at that point...
2022-12-26 04:36:22	thurstylark	ya
2022-12-26 04:36:25	thurstylark	gotcha
2022-12-26 04:37:31	thurstylark	yup. that got me back to booting properly :)
2022-12-26 04:37:36	thurstylark	thanks :)
2022-12-26 04:38:38	thurstylark	didn't think that hard about why vfat modules wouldn't be in the initrd, and sent me in the wrong direction :P
2022-12-26 04:40:28	Scimmia	np. It's easy to get thrown in the wrong direction sometimes
2022-12-26 04:54:48	sadtaco	What do you call that thing where a display, like I have a tv for a second monitor, is a few % too large so the edges of what should be dispalyed is cut off?
2022-12-26 05:04:47	hungryman	sadtaco: I believe it could be overscan
2022-12-26 05:06:35	hungryman	sadtaco: yup just looked it up, sounds like you have an overscan problem. Usually happens to TV more often than pc monitors
2022-12-26 05:08:44	sadtaco	ah so overscan what it's called. I was searching for that but having trouble figuring out what to do for wayland. Was just seeing xorg solutions
2022-12-26 05:16:35	sadtaco	I'm getting the wrong time and I can't see what's wrong. hwclock --verbose shows the right time, 11:15 PM. but hwclock shows 6:15pm, so 5 hours offset.  I have timezone set as New York.
2022-12-26 05:17:07	sadtaco	well.. it's showing 11:15 UTC time which would be wrong.
2022-12-26 05:54:21	cyphertite	UTC -5 EST Eastern Standard Time New York Sun, 23:53:26 = sadtaco, do you not understand what UTC -5 means?
2022-12-26 05:55:34	sadtaco	huh?... Yeah the UTC time is not the same as EST.
2022-12-26 05:56:08	sadtaco	It's showing 6:55 pm now.  That's -10 not -5.
2022-12-26 05:56:44	cyphertite	no, it means when UTC is 23:00, the time in NYC is 18:00
2022-12-26 06:00:14	cyphertite	welcome to 05:00 UTC - and a brand new day, 26 Dec in NYC
2022-12-26 06:11:08	dcunit3d	hey i'm running into some build issues with blender-git can anyone help? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=282157
2022-12-26 06:11:09	phrik	Title: Blender: "Please install HIP toolkit in defaut location." / Applications & Desktop Environments / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2022-12-26 06:17:04	dcunit3d	i'm trying to build 3.4.1 now, but i'm still getting "--offload-arch" warnings and a failure, which i can post in a second
2022-12-26 06:17:13	dcunit3d	https://pastebin.com/Z5MuK0F4
2022-12-26 06:17:14	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/o5lk.txt
2022-12-26 06:17:14	phrik	Title: blender-git arch build failures - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-12-26 06:20:20	kode54	what the heck
2022-12-26 06:20:26	kode54	something seems to be wrong with my CMake
2022-12-26 06:20:49	kode54	the C source it tries to generate for TryCompile is testing for macros of only 32 bit processors
2022-12-26 06:21:36	sadtaco	cyphertite, uh yeah I'm aware. The problem is that the UTC 0 time is wrong. So I'm 10 hours off instead of 5 hours off.
2022-12-26 06:22:32	sadtaco	Or it's offsetting it twice. I don't know. 
2022-12-26 06:23:29	kode54	never mind
2022-12-26 06:23:39	kode54	the spurious errors buried the real errors, new dependencies
2022-12-26 06:32:46	kode54	grr
2022-12-26 06:32:48	kode54	I figured it out
2022-12-26 06:50:29	cache_return	I am looking in the archive and expecting to see older versions of a package, but it is not there. It's also not in my local cache, but I know that it has been installed much longer than the version I have. Where is the old version?
2022-12-26 07:11:24	cache_return	mags: Is it possible that I installed it with yay and it was replaced with a pacman -Syu without me noticing?
2022-12-26 07:11:56	cache_return	I was trying to figure out a way to check yay, but I cannot make it work for whatever reason.
2022-12-26 07:13:22	cache_return	(cannot open libalpm)
2022-12-26 07:14:06	mags	cache_return: if the packages had identical names, yes.
2022-12-26 07:14:42	cache_return	anyway, this must be what happened somehow: I had it installed by something like yay from git, it got replaced with a new pacman version which is actually older.
2022-12-26 07:17:17	cache_return	this is annoying behavior. I wish it was like android where you cannot accidentally upgrade a package with something that didn't install it.
2022-12-26 07:17:54	mags	it would only be replaced if it was a newer version; perhaps the original aur package was incorrectly versioned
2022-12-26 07:18:27	cache_return	or release version x trumps git commit y?
2022-12-26 07:19:07	cache_return	OR build time rules? Since this was packaged very recently, though old version?
2022-12-26 07:19:25	cache_return	anyway, PSA: don't install ydotool from pacman.
2022-12-26 07:20:50	mags	pacman installs all packages, you mean don't install ydotool from the community repo
2022-12-26 07:21:48	mags	yay/whatever aur helper you use calls pacman to do the actual package install
2022-12-26 07:22:33	cache_return	just did make install since I broke yay somehow
2022-12-26 07:22:57	mags	make install calls pacman
2022-12-26 07:23:13	cache_return	I did not know that
2022-12-26 07:24:00	mags	ahh, I see, you did `make install` in the git repo directly... that did not call pacman, there's where your issue is
2022-12-26 07:24:13	Edu4rdSHL	make install didn't calls pacman
2022-12-26 07:24:40	mags	I was thinking you meant makepkg -si
2022-12-26 07:24:43	cache_return	no, that's how I fixed the issue.
2022-12-26 07:24:59	Edu4rdSHL	You didn't say what the issue is but you're trying to fix it
2022-12-26 07:25:05	cache_return	I fixed it by removing the package and cloning from git.
2022-12-26 07:25:38	cache_return	Edu4rdSHL: the issue is that a pacman -Syu regressed a package because it got added to the repos.
2022-12-26 07:26:07	Edu4rdSHL	Unlikely
2022-12-26 07:26:07	cache_return	I had it installed from, I think yay, and it got "upgraded" to an older version.
2022-12-26 07:26:25	cache_return	yeah, it was an unlikely scenario
2022-12-26 07:26:28	Edu4rdSHL	The package doesn't have any replaces/conflicts, etc
2022-12-26 07:26:42	mags	`sudo make install` is not recommended, it can copy files willy nilly and nothing is tracked by a package manager
2022-12-26 07:27:08	cache_return	mags: what's a better way?
2022-12-26 07:27:27	Edu4rdSHL	I'm almost 100% sure that pacman didn't "regressed" that package
2022-12-26 07:27:49	Edu4rdSHL	Unless you've changed the local AUR PKGBUILD pointing to git or some other hacky thing
2022-12-26 07:28:00	mags	If you need/want a newer version, you should probably checkout the ydotool-git aur package, or roll your own package and install with pacman properly
2022-12-26 07:28:07	Edu4rdSHL	There's ydotool-git in AUR if you want to use git
2022-12-26 07:29:12	cache_return	just download it and install with pacman -U?
2022-12-26 07:29:37	mags	you need to build it first... then, yes
2022-12-26 07:30:17	Edu4rdSHL	!give cache_return aw AUR
2022-12-26 07:30:18	phrik	cache_return: AUR - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR
2022-12-26 07:30:48	Edu4rdSHL	You need to build it before installing, but there are utilities for that
2022-12-26 07:31:06	cache_return	like yay, which has some unknown problem with it
2022-12-26 07:31:12	cache_return	let me look into that
2022-12-26 07:32:32	cache_return	I mean, on this system, not that there is something wrong with yay generally. I broke it somehow
2022-12-26 07:34:18	Edu4rdSHL	Question, are you using some ArchLinux based distro or plain Arch?
2022-12-26 07:34:31	mags	you've probably heard this before, but I wouldn't recommend using any aur helper; it's not too difficult to make your own repo and add it in pacman.conf
2022-12-26 07:34:47	cache_return	Edu4rdSHL: arch
2022-12-26 07:35:18	cache_return	mags: Yes. The problem is that I use the helpers very infrequently and they always break between uses.
2022-12-26 07:35:37	cache_return	So maybe better not to use one.
2022-12-26 07:36:15	Edu4rdSHL	What the problem with yay is?
2022-12-26 07:37:23	cache_return	Edu4rdSHL: looks like it was depending on an old version of libalpm
2022-12-26 07:37:59	cache_return	and needs to be manually upgraded. or removed
2022-12-26 07:38:03	Edu4rdSHL	What's the exact error...
2022-12-26 07:38:16	Edu4rdSHL	And, have you tried rebuilding it?
2022-12-26 07:41:14	cache_return	Yeah, I rebuilt it and it works now
2022-12-26 07:45:52	cache_return	Is it good enough if I just remove the files placed by make install?
2022-12-26 07:47:38	mags	that's what I would do, sometimes there's a make uninstall, sometimes not; then install properly with pacman
2022-12-26 07:47:57	cache_return	there is no make uninstall, but I have the file list
2022-12-26 07:50:01	cache_return	how do I get a file list form the AUR package?
2022-12-26 07:53:06	Edu4rdSHL	You install it and ran `pacman -Ql $package`
2022-12-26 07:53:17	Edu4rdSHL	Or, you just build it, extract it and see
2022-12-26 07:56:12	cache_return	yes, -Ql was what I needed, thanks.
2022-12-26 07:56:22	cache_return	Okay, we are back.
2022-12-26 07:56:36	cache_return	regression fixed.
2022-12-26 07:57:03	cache_return	aur helper working. SOrry mags, maybe next time.
2022-12-26 07:57:59	cache_return	probably after I get my audio working again. then I will try to manage AUR on my own.
2022-12-26 07:59:50	cache_return	so according to the yay cache and current package status, the old yay package was just called ydotool, which is the same name as the community package.
2022-12-26 08:02:54	mags	you mean the old aur package I assume? yay doesn't have packages. If that's the case, and it was versioned lower than the community package, it makes sense that pacman installed the 'newer' package
2022-12-26 08:03:41	cache_return	the old aur package built and installed by yay from aur
2022-12-26 08:04:05	cache_return	and now that aur packages are ydotool-bin and ydotool-git as nature intended
2022-12-26 09:40:03	rozas_	(exit
2022-12-26 10:16:20	butaxorgh	hello everyone
2022-12-26 10:17:03	butaxorgh	Im getting  the following error upon running "pacman -Syu": :: Synchronizing package databases... error: failed to synchronize all databases (no servers configured for repository
2022-12-26 10:17:26	butaxorgh	sorry, I will add up, just gotta pastebin my pacman.conf
2022-12-26 10:17:50	coruja	!give butaxorgh paste
2022-12-26 10:17:51	phrik	butaxorgh: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-12-26 10:18:54	butaxorgh	Im using kigrth
2022-12-26 10:19:09	butaxorgh	this is my pacman.conf https://www.klgrth.io/paste/csjqa 
2022-12-26 10:19:10	phrik	Title: csjqa - Spectre (at www.klgrth.io)
2022-12-26 10:20:24	butaxorgh	I tried commenting out [core] and [extra] "include" lines, but it didn't help
2022-12-26 10:20:40	coruja	uncomment line 85, comment line line 82 (if you don't want testing repos) and try again
2022-12-26 10:20:46	butaxorgh	it happened after I had accidental shutdown after performin the update
2022-12-26 10:21:27	coruja	s/line line/line/
2022-12-26 10:24:56	butaxorgh	yes coruja it helped, thanks!
2022-12-26 10:25:16	coruja	you're welcome
2022-12-26 10:25:58	butaxorgh	Im only learning (slowly) and not sure if this is a good thing to keep my pacman.conf like you suggested, coruja ? or I can revert back to how it was , since the error is gone now?
2022-12-26 10:26:15	butaxorgh	or it may again cause same error in the future?
2022-12-26 10:27:01	coruja	it's fine as it is now (which should be its initial state too)
2022-12-26 10:27:19	butaxorgh	ok, I guess its my friend, who changed it in the first place, to have the testing uncommented
2022-12-26 10:27:22	butaxorgh	thanks coruja
2022-12-26 10:28:39	coruja	testing repos aren't recommended for new users
2022-12-26 10:30:20	coruja	if you want to read more about repos: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Official_repositories
2022-12-26 10:30:21	phrik	Title: Official repositories - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-26 10:33:14	butaxorgh	yes Im already there coruja
2022-12-26 10:33:37	coruja	👍
2022-12-26 10:37:56	mop_	hi. I have a strange font rendering problem which I think is related to gtk. I want to render emojis but somehow it always uses NotoSansEmoji even though I have more emoji fonts installed. for example when I select "joypixels" in inkscape and enter "🔈" it previews the glyph with notosansemoji even though joypixels has this glyph. I installed the fontpreview aur package and when I select
2022-12-26 10:37:56	mop_	joypixels there 
2022-12-26 10:37:56	mop_	it renders the glyph properly. also when I use the inspector of firefox and force font-style to be joypixels it also works. I have no idea what the culprit may be
2022-12-26 10:43:07	YamatoHD	hello, arch borked itself on two PCs yesterday for me 
2022-12-26 10:43:14	YamatoHD	in pretty much the same way
2022-12-26 10:43:36	coruja	!give YamatoHD as
2022-12-26 10:43:37	phrik	YamatoHD: Arch Sucks™
2022-12-26 10:43:40	YamatoHD	fortunately i did not update third
2022-12-26 10:43:56	YamatoHD	yeah, no its fine
2022-12-26 10:44:07	YamatoHD	cant pipoint which update caused this
2022-12-26 10:44:28	YamatoHD	i have backups, i dd boot drives weekly
2022-12-26 10:45:39	coruja	more details on 'borked itself' please
2022-12-26 10:45:48	YamatoHD	restoring right now, will postpone updating for a week, will see, maybe if i ignore it maybe it will go away =0
2022-12-26 10:46:32	YamatoHD	dropped to root shell on boot, btrfs main partition unreadable and unmountable
2022-12-26 10:47:38	YamatoHD	tried those btrfs --repair or something but those never work
2022-12-26 10:48:23	YamatoHD	no idea why i even bother with btrfs, i get zero benefit from it so far
2022-12-26 10:48:33	YamatoHD	feels like eating a cactus
2022-12-26 10:51:44	bluetail	YamatoHD why did you choose such an advanced filesystem when you aren't knowledgeable enough ? I have zero issues with it and I know enterprise deployments of btrfs. Couple of things you should read before using it. 
2022-12-26 10:52:11	YamatoHD	it was the default
2022-12-26 10:52:39	coruja	were those machine booting uefi or bios, and which bootloader? were the updates big ones, meaning haven't you updated for quite long before?
2022-12-26 10:54:06	bluetail	But what did you do with them? Did you do any of the DO NOT things? How was the drive health? And so on 
2022-12-26 10:54:22	bluetail	https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Gotchas
2022-12-26 10:54:27	phrik	Title: Gotchas - btrfs Wiki (at btrfs.wiki.kernel.org)
2022-12-26 10:55:28	coruja	hm, default? i can't recall arch having a default filesystem
2022-12-26 10:56:13	bluetail	perhaps they use archinstall like lazy me
2022-12-26 10:56:23	bluetail	but even there btrfs isnt default
2022-12-26 10:56:31	bluetail	perhaps they use manjaro ? 
2022-12-26 10:57:51	coruja	i've hesitated before mentioning this kind of serious accusations ;)
2022-12-26 11:07:53	mop_	also `pango-view -t '<span font="JoyPixels">A🔈</span><span font="Symbola">A🔈</span><span font="Noto Sans Emoji">A🔈</span>' --font "JoyPixels" --markup --backend=cairo --dpi=1800` does the same. speaker only rendered using notosansemoji :|
2022-12-26 11:13:01	coruja	mop_: don't get the impression you are ignored but i can't contribute anything helpful concerning font issues, but be patient, maybe someone else can
2022-12-26 11:23:13	mop_	coruja, yeah no problem. I am well aware that this is a special interest problem :D i just did a C example using cairo and cairo is not the problem. it renders joypixel glyphs when I tell it to do so. it seems pango related (which I think is the font backend for gtk)
2022-12-26 11:55:06	bob_x1	im trying to run command `pacman -S python3` and it returns list of errors, that retreiving url python-3xxx.zst returned error 404. i tried to change mirrors but the same errror. seems im doing something wrong and requesting wrong package ? 
2022-12-26 11:57:39	Mathisen	is the spotify AUR broken ?
2022-12-26 11:58:13	Mathisen	==> ERROR: Failure while downloading 
2022-12-26 11:58:33	Mathisen	or is there another decent way to get spotify
2022-12-26 12:00:52	coruja	bob_x1: there is no python3 package
2022-12-26 12:02:51	astralc	bob_x1: python3 is provided by python (so it is the python package).  did you updated recently?
2022-12-26 12:06:20	bob_x1	nope its newly installed arch
2022-12-26 12:06:25	bob_x1	yes i do pacman -S python 
2022-12-26 12:06:33	bob_x1	but python3 maybe alias of python
2022-12-26 12:07:03	astralc	fresh from when?
2022-12-26 12:07:16	astralc	what the full name you get 404 on?
2022-12-26 12:08:17	lambda	bob_x1: your repos are out of date, `pacman -Syu`
2022-12-26 12:11:34	julia556	Hello, not very important issue: I have a HP Pavilion 15-eh0000sl laptop and the mute button LED is not working. I tried this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Laptop#Audio_mute_LED   . My audio codec model is: Realtek ALC287 . I tried all of the codecs in the ALC22x/23x/25x/269/27x/28x/29x section page but none is working. Any suggestions?
2022-12-26 12:11:35	phrik	Title: Laptop - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-26 12:16:25	bob_x1	lambda:thank you solved
2022-12-26 12:16:36	another|	julia556: cat /sys/devices/virtual/sound/ctl-led/speaker/card<id>/list 
2022-12-26 12:17:16	another|	then compare to `amixer -c <id> contents`
2022-12-26 12:17:22	julia556	another| no output
2022-12-26 12:17:47	another|	check again. it has no \n
2022-12-26 12:19:16	julia556	there's card0, card1 and card2
2022-12-26 12:19:19	another|	see also /sys/class/sound/ctl-led/speaker/mode for the mode in case you want to change it
2022-12-26 12:19:23	julia556	no output all of them
2022-12-26 12:20:00	julia556	current mode is "follow-mute"
2022-12-26 12:20:26	another|	julia556: cat /sys/devices/virtual/sound/ctl-led/speaker/card<id>/list | wc
2022-12-26 12:20:58	julia556	count is zero
2022-12-26 12:21:02	julia556	they are empty
2022-12-26 12:21:07	another|	all of them?
2022-12-26 12:21:10	julia556	yes
2022-12-26 12:21:24	another|	0 bytes?
2022-12-26 12:22:19	julia556	4096 bytes
2022-12-26 12:23:37	another|	I mean `wc` shows 0 bytes?
2022-12-26 12:23:54	julia556	yes
2022-12-26 12:24:35	another|	then I can't help you
2022-12-26 12:24:52	julia556	It's ok, thank you anyway :)
2022-12-26 13:06:47	sadtaco	I keep getting a freeze while using stable diffusion and I'm not sure what to look at. Sometimes I still hear sound from youtube but nothing responds, other times the sound loops then stops.
2022-12-26 13:07:50	koppe	Bit off-topic, but what is a good choice for an Arch-based distro for someone pretty experienced with Linux, but who doesn't yest want the full install-from-scratch experience of ArchLinux?
2022-12-26 13:14:23	thunfisch	arch + archinstall?
2022-12-26 13:15:10	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-26 13:19:45	alad	the regular install experience is nothing compared to actually maintaining arch
2022-12-26 13:19:53	alad	focusing on the install process is a diversion at best
2022-12-26 13:20:57	alad	for example: when the boot loader breaks and  Arch no longer boots, but you've never used pacstrap before, Good Luck
2022-12-26 13:21:15	alad	s/pacstrap/arch-chroot
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2022-12-26 13:27:13	Hello_World	Hiya! It seems like my Vulkan is no longer working, I guess due to updating my system. vulkaninfo returns a "WARNING: [Loader Message] Code 0 : terminator_CreateInstance: Failed to CreateInstance in ICD 1.  Skipping ICD.". So I tried updating the vulkan-icd-loader package manually to the latest version since the package is a bit behind, however that gives me a 
2022-12-26 13:27:13	Hello_World	"/tmp/Vulkan-Loader-1.3.238/Vulkan-Loader-1.3.238/loader/generated/vk_layer_dispatch_table.h:836:5: error: unknown type name ‘PFN_vkReleaseSwapchainImagesEXT’
2022-12-26 13:27:27	Hello_World	Anybody knows how to best go around to fix that?
2022-12-26 13:27:34	Hello_World	Sorry accidentally copy pasted a linebreak
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2022-12-26 13:28:24	sadtaco	I can't even figure what I should be looking for as far as logs to see what might be causing these freezes.
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2022-12-26 13:28:46	Hello_World	it gives that error when trying to make the package
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2022-12-26 13:34:31	alad	sadtaco: check if your stable diffusion uses up all RAM + swap
2022-12-26 13:34:39	alad	assuming you set up swap in the first place, which you definitely should
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2022-12-26 13:41:02	sadtaco	Well I have 32GB, but yeah I should set up a swapfile.
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2022-12-26 13:58:11	Hello_World	Oh I managed to find a solution: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=277781 Uninstalling amdvlk fixes it
2022-12-26 13:58:11	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Vulkan implementation is not being loaded by applications / Multimedia and Games / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2022-12-26 14:05:23	sadtaco	mkay I added a 10GB swap file though I really don't think that's the problem.  I don't think stable diffusion uses that much RAM so much as VRAM.
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2022-12-26 14:09:11	sadtaco	Yeah I still see 16GB of RAM free while it's running
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2022-12-26 14:09:22	sadtaco	I'm guessing it's a GPU driver crash but I don't get how to recover it or investigate it
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2022-12-26 14:15:05	Bolvaron	Hi ive tried to install archlinux with a gui installer, but after installation, it doesnt accept my passwort. so i cant use my new system. Any hints on that problem?
2022-12-26 14:17:13	ChrisWarrick	your problem is using a GUI installer
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2022-12-26 14:35:04	MacGyver	The former should be visible if you run journalctl --boot=-1 after the reboot, at the end, in the journal.
2022-12-26 14:35:42	MacGyver	The latter is a bit harder, because it likely won't end up logging anything *until* the OOM killer kicks in, which it doesn't end up doing.
2022-12-26 14:35:51	HuntsMan	sadtaco: you did not even mention which exact code and GPU you are using
2022-12-26 14:37:13	sadtaco	automatic1111 and Vega56
2022-12-26 14:37:53	koorosh	Hi
2022-12-26 14:38:18	koorosh	I'm having a little trouble with my ca-certificates can someone lend a hand here?
2022-12-26 14:38:57	MacGyver	!ask
2022-12-26 14:38:57	phrik	Don't ask to ask, if anyone is here or alive, or uses something. Just ask, and we'll get moving along. Thanks.
2022-12-26 14:39:08	koorosh	ok
2022-12-26 14:39:37	sadtaco	I'm not sure if I have anything relevant with `journalctl --boot=-1` the last crash was almost 2 hours ago. Umm... Dec 26 01:58:55 z-desktop akonadiserver[1229]: org.kde.pim.akonadiserver: Control process died, committing suicide!
2022-12-26 14:39:56	sadtaco	oh here's one Dec 26 01:58:55 z-desktop konsole[2409]: The Wayland connection broke. Did the Wayland compositor die?
2022-12-26 14:40:18	sadtaco	A lot of services failing
2022-12-26 14:40:35	HuntsMan	sadtaco: look for a kernel OOM message
2022-12-26 14:40:38	MacGyver	sadtaco: You'll have to hunt a bit -- if the last crash is also the last reboot, it'll be near the end of the boot=-1 log. Otherwise you might need to look at boot=-2, or -3, etc.
2022-12-26 14:40:53	koorosh	each time I update my computer the file /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt is left empty I have an old version of the file copied somewhere and I have to manually copy it there
2022-12-26 14:41:10	sadtaco	I'm not really seeing the start of issues here.
2022-12-26 14:41:20	MacGyver	sadtaco: And mind that "near the end" also might mean several *thousands* of lines up. It's near the end *time*-wise.
2022-12-26 14:41:23	sadtaco	How might I look for a kernel OOM message?
2022-12-26 14:41:25	MacGyver	Not amount-of-logging-wise.
2022-12-26 14:42:13	MacGyver	koorosh: What does `pacman -Qo /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt` output?
2022-12-26 14:42:36	sadtaco	Well `journalctl --boot=-1` is 731 lines.  But I don't really see anything else besides what I mentioned that looks errornous.
2022-12-26 14:42:51	koorosh	MacGyver: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt is owned by ca-certificates-utils 20220905-1
2022-12-26 14:43:05	MacGyver	koorosh: And `pacman -Qkk ca-certificates-utils`?
2022-12-26 14:43:21	sadtaco	Dec 26 01:58:55 z-desktop systemd[667]: app-firefox-0f577c93be3d43fcb70fdc041fde0712.scope: Consumed 6.680s CPU time. Dec 26 01:58:55 z-desktop kaccess[1081]: The X11 connection broke (error 1). Did the X11 server die? Then theres a lot of `Did the Wayland compositor die?`
2022-12-26 14:43:27	koorosh	MacGyver:  ca-certificates-utils: 33 total files, 0 altered files
2022-12-26 14:43:36	MacGyver	Hrrrrm.
2022-12-26 14:44:22	MacGyver	Oh but that's a symlink.
2022-12-26 14:44:24	koorosh	MacGyver: some time ago I tried reinstalling the base package group from a live usb but that didn't help
2022-12-26 14:44:26	HuntsMan	sadtaco: it says "out of memory: kill process"
2022-12-26 14:45:23	koorosh	I think it's generated from some other files https://archlinux.org/news/ca-certificates-update/
2022-12-26 14:45:24	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: ca-certificates update (at archlinux.org)
2022-12-26 14:46:12	koorosh	MacGyver: I get this output when I follow the above link 
2022-12-26 14:46:12	MacGyver	koorosh: Yeah, and it points at /etc/ca-certificates/extracted/tls-ca-bundle.pem
2022-12-26 14:46:16	koorosh	:mac
2022-12-26 14:46:21	koorosh	MacGyver:  sudo trust extract-compat
2022-12-26 14:46:21	koorosh	trust: the placeholder extract-compat command has not been customized by your distribution.
2022-12-26 14:48:22	MacGyver	koorosh: That's not what the pacman hook of ca-certificates-utils does.
2022-12-26 14:48:31	MacGyver	koorosh: The hook is in /usr/share/libalpm/hooks/40-update-ca-trust.hook
2022-12-26 14:48:46	MacGyver	koorosh: And it runs /usr/bin/update-ca-trust
2022-12-26 14:49:16	koorosh	hmm
2022-12-26 14:50:06	koorosh	running update-ca-trust doesn't give me any outputs it runs without any errors 
2022-12-26 14:50:09	MacGyver	koorosh: It's a bash script that runs `trust extract --overwrite` for several different bundles.
2022-12-26 14:51:01	MacGyver	koorosh: But just for starters, are you sure /etc/ca-certificates/extracted/tls-ca-bundle.pem is actually empty, and you see the symlink to an empty file?
2022-12-26 14:51:06	masterkorp	Hello everyone
2022-12-26 14:51:21	masterkorp	my XFCE4 presentation mode stopped working since last upgrade
2022-12-26 14:51:24	koorosh	MacGyver:  yep 
2022-12-26 14:51:29	koorosh	I just double checked
2022-12-26 14:51:33	masterkorp	anyone with the same problem? How to debug it ? 
2022-12-26 14:52:58	MacGyver	koorosh: What about email-ca-bundle.pem and objsign-ca-bundle.pem?
2022-12-26 14:53:28	MacGyver	Oh, objsign-ca-bundle.pem is probably expected to be empty
2022-12-26 14:53:34	koorosh	MacGyver: both of those are empty too
2022-12-26 14:53:35	MacGyver	But email-ca-bundle.pem isn't.
2022-12-26 14:54:14	MacGyver	Yeah so that probably means the source where it's extracting from is broken. It's been a while since I had to figure anything out about this.
2022-12-26 14:54:19	MacGyver	Give me a minute.
2022-12-26 14:55:14	koorosh	to be clear this file is empty too /etc/ca-certificates/extracted/email-ca-bundle.pem 
2022-12-26 14:55:58	MacGyver	Okay, check if you have ca-certificates and ca-certificates-mozilla installed.
2022-12-26 14:56:06	MacGyver	Then pacman -Qkk ca-certificates-mozilla.
2022-12-26 14:57:35	koorosh	MacGyver: both are installed
2022-12-26 14:57:42	sadtaco	It is looking like automatic1111 is leaky on memory when switching gan models. That could have been it...
2022-12-26 14:59:59	MacGyver	koorosh: And does it report no altered files on the ca-certificates-mozilla?
2022-12-26 15:01:42	koorosh	MacGyver: yeah 
2022-12-26 15:03:03	MacGyver	koorosh: And `ls -lha /usr/share/ca-certificates/trust-source/` shows you a root-owned directory with rw-r--r-- permissions on mozilla.trust.p11-kit and drwxr-xr-x on the directory itself?
2022-12-26 15:03:32	MacGyver	koorosh: And a *non-empty* (i.e. non-zero-sized) mozilla.trust.p11-kit
2022-12-26 15:03:50	MacGyver	(Mine is 994k but I might not be on the same version)
2022-12-26 15:04:41	koorosh	MacGyver: yes
2022-12-26 15:05:11	MacGyver	Okay, so that *sounds* like the sources are intact too...
2022-12-26 15:06:20	MacGyver	Does `trust list` list anything?
2022-12-26 15:07:28	koorosh	MacGyver: trust list doesn't output anything and the mozilla.trust.p11-kit is not empty
2022-12-26 15:12:24	koorosh	MacGyver: I get this output when trying to generate the file manually "trust extract asdf.crt --format=x509-file"
2022-12-26 15:12:24	koorosh	"p11-kit: no certificate found"
2022-12-26 15:16:13	MacGyver	koorosh: Can you install strace, then run `strace -e openat -f trust list > /dev/null`?
2022-12-26 15:16:27	MacGyver	koorosh: And pastebin (not paste in channel) the output?
2022-12-26 15:16:44	MacGyver	I'm trying to figure out what it's basing the trust database on in its entirety.
2022-12-26 15:17:10	koorosh	MacGyver:  sure give me a sec 
2022-12-26 15:17:52	MacGyver	There's a few config files that might be worth looking at, there's the blocklist (but I wouldn't expect blocked certs to not be listed, I'd expect them to be displayed *as blocked*)...
2022-12-26 15:18:30	koorosh	!paste
2022-12-26 15:18:30	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2022-12-26 15:20:17	koorosh	MacGyver: https://paste.rs/vyy.sh
2022-12-26 15:21:21	MacGyver	koorosh: This looks a lot like either it isn't Arch, or you're using some Nix-like packaging on top of arch?
2022-12-26 15:21:34	koorosh	MacGyver: /usr/share/ca-certificates/trust-source/blocklist this directory is empty for me
2022-12-26 15:21:39	koorosh	yes I am 
2022-12-26 15:21:44	koorosh	I'm using guix 
2022-12-26 15:21:48	koorosh	with pacman
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2022-12-26 15:22:05	koorosh	I mean guix on top of my arch install
2022-12-26 15:22:24	MacGyver	Right that probably explains why pacman isn't telling you about anything broken.
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2022-12-26 15:23:01	MacGyver	I don't know guix, but the list of files that that shows there is different from the normal locations where the trust store lives.
2022-12-26 15:23:17	koorosh	MacGyver: Thank you so much I'm gonna ask about this in the guix channel 
2022-12-26 15:23:36	MacGyver	For reference...
2022-12-26 15:24:16	MacGyver	!ix
2022-12-26 15:24:16	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-12-26 15:24:48	MacGyver	Urgh, how do I pipe *only* stderr.
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2022-12-26 15:25:34	koorosh	MacGyver: alright thanks again no way I could have figured it out on my own and have a nice day :)
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2022-12-26 15:25:45	MacGyver	koorosh: I'm trying to paste the list mine opens :P
2022-12-26 15:25:49	MacGyver	So you have a reference point.
2022-12-26 15:25:55	koorosh	oh ok
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2022-12-26 15:26:38	koorosh	add a 2 before the pipe I think that should work
2022-12-26 15:26:42	MacGyver	!rs
2022-12-26 15:26:42	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2022-12-26 15:27:54	MacGyver	koorosh: https://paste.rs/vLz.sh
2022-12-26 15:28:28	koorosh	thanks
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2022-12-26 15:28:50	MacGyver	Good luck :)
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2022-12-26 16:09:56	Iamthehuman1	Looks like I have 5 days to make my goal of moving to Arch this year
2022-12-26 16:10:37	Iamthehuman1	This Ubuntu Studio is messed up.... prlly some malware infection from Windooze. Got political enemies, unusual weird shit hits the fan all the time
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2022-12-26 16:12:52	Iamthehuman1	I tried with the 2022-11-01 image, but the archinstall seemed brokeh a bit. I will try with 2022-12-01, maybe it was fixed. Just spoke with my cousin and we both agreed that maybe it'd be best to understand the steps and the process of how to install a Linux, but then again laziness and (partially false impression) of hurry points to using the archinstall
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2022-12-26 16:15:18	Iamthehuman1	I... just... want... a reliable distro (with modern versions of stuff, if 2ndary priorities are ok)
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2022-12-26 16:17:49	mingdao	Iamthehuman1: Use https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide and be sure to read the links in the highlights that are appropriate to you.
2022-12-26 16:17:50	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-26 16:18:40	mingdao	Such as 3.8 Boot loader  Choose and install a Linux-capable boot loader. If you have an Intel or AMD CPU, enable microcode updates in addition. 
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2022-12-26 16:20:03	mingdao	Click on blue words 'boot loader' which open the link https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_boot_process#Boot_loader and I'm going to suggest there you choose GRUB https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB
2022-12-26 16:20:04	phrik	Title: Arch boot process - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-12-26 16:21:17	mingdao	Follow those instructions then go back two pages to the Installation_guide and the next step, which is 4 Reboot
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2022-12-26 16:22:42	mingdao	Any time you get stuck along the way, come here and state where you are in the Installation guide, and use the logic http://www.co.kerr.tx.us/it/howtoreport.html to ask for help.
2022-12-26 16:22:43	phrik	Title: FGA: Please follow the standard litany when giving a problem report. (at www.co.kerr.tx.us)
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2022-12-26 16:31:39	hunnids	!paste
2022-12-26 16:31:39	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-12-26 16:33:38	Iamthehuman1	sound advice mingdao 
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2022-12-26 16:38:25	Iamthehuman1	mingdao: I need to setup multiboot with existing Linuxen, so not the simplest of cases, but I think I do it
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2022-12-26 16:43:48	mingdao	Iamthehuman1: What is Linuxen?
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2022-12-26 16:44:16	mingdao	Iamthehuman1: You can add Arch to the Linuxen boot loader, or Linuxen to the Arch boot loader.
2022-12-26 16:44:18	Iamthehuman1	oh, sorry an Iamthehuman1ism... plural of Linux (in my opinion)
2022-12-26 16:44:39	Iamthehuman1	ox -> oxen
2022-12-26 16:44:47	Iamthehuman1	Linux -> Linuxen
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2022-12-26 16:45:13	mingdao	s/Linuxen/your other distro
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2022-12-26 16:46:01	mingdao	My workstation has 4 OSes, on 3 hard drives, that boot from grub.
2022-12-26 16:46:04	beest	not that far out, *nixen used to be quite common
2022-12-26 16:46:59	beest	as a catch-all for unix-like operating systems
2022-12-26 16:48:15	Iamthehuman1	I am quite sure this here instance is corrupted by unknown forces, so I do not want to boot this after I install Arch. This requires some preparation. I know I could stick the arch /-partition into LUKS and that was stop the corrupt OSes from infecting it, but I am vary of LUKS because resizing them may be problematic, unless you happened to read the right instructions
2022-12-26 16:48:20	mingdao	Iamthehuman1: If you install os-prober it might find your other Linux OS and add it to grub.cfg for you.
2022-12-26 16:48:27	mingdao	Iamthehuman1: pacman -S os-prober
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2022-12-26 16:51:13	Iamthehuman1	The Finnish lang does not really take words ending with the letter 'x', so I call Linux Linukka in Finnish. A term of endearment, but I would not mind it going mainstream
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2022-12-26 16:55:09	Gagis	most finns just says linuksi
2022-12-26 16:56:24	Iamthehuman1	yeah... Alex -> Aleksi, Linux -> Linuksi, but then you get the transitive case "Linuksiksi", which just sounds off, eventhough it is according to the rules
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2022-12-26 16:56:43	Gagis	I like it
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2022-12-26 16:57:08	Iamthehuman1	oh yeah... "Linuk siksi"
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2022-12-26 17:22:15	Scimmia	just downgrade the kernel
2022-12-26 17:23:18	upgreydd	Guys have a quick one question. I have prime gpu offload configured but it doesn't work. When I install `optimus-manager` it starts working fine (mean prime-run command), when I remove `optimus-manager` it's slow again. What can be the issue? Can't find it
2022-12-26 17:32:26	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-26 17:39:22	cyphertite	which words in English end in 'x', other than linux?  I can only think of one linux-term:  startx, which is not a word...
2022-12-26 17:39:42	Scimmia	box
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2022-12-26 17:40:21	ecto	Sox!
2022-12-26 17:40:26	ecto	fox
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2022-12-26 17:40:42	cyphertite	lols Scimmia - I boxed over box on Boxing Day!
2022-12-26 17:41:44	ecto	ox
2022-12-26 17:42:06	cyphertite	ecto, pls don't forget about chicken pox ;p
2022-12-26 17:42:15	ecto	or small pox
2022-12-26 17:42:28	ecto	Linux is a proper noun, though.
2022-12-26 17:42:29	BrainDamage	onyx
2022-12-26 17:43:10	cyphertite	or even lynx
2022-12-26 17:43:32	ecto	sphinx
2022-12-26 17:44:18	cyphertite	right!  my brain has arisen ;-)
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2022-12-26 17:49:57	cyphertite	ecto:  I am hereby rejecting your claim as 'Sox' as a valid word.  The Chicago White Sox and the Boston Red Sox both used 'Sox' solely for marketing and trademark protection purposes ;)
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2022-12-26 17:50:42	ectospasm	But Linux is trademarked as well, so what's the difference?
2022-12-26 17:51:27	ectospasm	The Linux Foundation owns the trademark.
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2022-12-26 17:51:48	cyphertite	IDK, maybe a few hundred million USD, per year, in TV broadcasting rights?
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2022-12-27 14:12:42	mingdao	If you right click and 'view page source', then Save Page As and change it to Text Files.
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2022-12-27 15:27:13	lolok	i was hoping for something more programmatic, like, wget --i-want-the-whole-thing example.com
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2022-12-27 15:31:34	nortega	lolok: I think wget usually does the job of pulling the whole thing and all its dependencies.
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2022-12-27 15:32:15	nortega	That being said, you have to be careful because of JavaScript, nowadays. Often times some parts of the page aren't even requested until some JS script asks for it as some point.
2022-12-27 15:32:22	nortega	The woes of the modern web.
2022-12-27 15:32:45	menfie	cloudflare :/
2022-12-27 15:32:48	⚡ 	nortega misses static web pages
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2022-12-27 15:36:19	lolok	i found a cool trick where in firefox f12 menu under netowrking tab theres a 'copy as curl' option, which is a great start, but id really like to do it all in bash; i do believe this would require processing js, and for as much as i hate it, its not my website that im scraping... actually maybe i should be looking at scraping tools...
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2022-12-27 15:38:58	thebombzen_	why not just curl --url "$foo" or something
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2022-12-27 15:40:53	mpan	lolok: for downloading pages with all the requisities, see the `-p` option to wget (and also the `-m` option for some hints). For webapps: you can’t obtain the output other than by downloading and executing the application, and then scraping the data: they are not meant for you have control over the data. For controlling and scraping you may use Selenium.
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2022-12-27 16:06:28	lolok	i never thought i would say this, but i wish wget could run js; im gonna go take a shower now...
2022-12-27 16:07:17	Furai	Hey, how can I submit a patch to this package https://archlinux.org/packages/community/any/mythes-pl/ ?
2022-12-27 16:07:20	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - mythes-pl 1:0.8.67-2 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2022-12-27 16:08:22	lolok	a patch to the program in the package or a patch to the way its packaged in arch?
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2022-12-27 16:09:03	mpan	lolok: it wouldn’t solve anything. You still need to simulate user activity to get the output, and then somehow point to the output fragment you want, at a specific instant.
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2022-12-27 16:09:58	rcf	lolok: look at youtube-dl or whatever the current fork is for ideas on how to handle that sort of thing 
2022-12-27 16:11:12	lolok	im not really trying to do a full scrape tho mpan i just want a single page like 'view page source' in firefox does
2022-12-27 16:11:30	lolok	if yt-dlp and do full webpages idk but ill give it a look
2022-12-27 16:11:37	mpan	View page source just shows you what curl would.
2022-12-27 16:11:39	lolok	s/and/can/
2022-12-27 16:11:46	lolok	no it doesnt
2022-12-27 16:11:50	lolok	tias
2022-12-27 16:12:00	mpan	Show me an example where it does not.
2022-12-27 16:12:11	lolok	https://www.twitch.tv/directory/all/tags/Linux
2022-12-27 16:12:13	phrik	Title: Twitch (at www.twitch.tv)
2022-12-27 16:12:13	mpan	(assuming you spoof headers and cookies)
2022-12-27 16:12:32	rcf	lolok: yt-dlp extractors often have no choice but to do such weird shit these days 
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2022-12-27 16:13:31	rcf	I've certainly seen errors where they indicate that a JS dependency would give me more features. 
2022-12-27 16:13:39	mpan	lolok: I see the same.
2022-12-27 16:13:45	lolok	what im looking for is the links to the channels mpan
2022-12-27 16:13:54	lolok	where do you see them in curl?
2022-12-27 16:13:57	mpan	lolok: view-source in Firefox does nothing more than making a GET request and displaying it, raw.
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2022-12-27 16:14:09	lolok	grep for any channel name
2022-12-27 16:14:16	mpan	I do not know, what I see. I tell you I see the same output for both Firefox and curl.
2022-12-27 16:14:23	mpan	Give me a specific example.
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2022-12-27 16:14:34	lolok	walllop
2022-12-27 16:14:51	mpan	No such string found in what Firefox shows in view-source.
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2022-12-27 16:15:19	Furai	And why would it show? I'm sure they don't do SSR for dynamic data.
2022-12-27 16:15:35	lolok	oh sorry it only shows in search on inspector
2022-12-27 16:15:42	rcf	lolok: no diff between curl and qutebrowser at least. The DOM viewer will update, not the source 
2022-12-27 16:16:02	mpan	lolok: this is not source. This is a dynamic view of what the application creates.
2022-12-27 16:16:12	mpan	Which brings us back to the original statement above.
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2022-12-27 16:17:59	lolok	ok i get that but i dont want to do any interaction i just want the page rendered in a reasonably faked environment; idk why i thought this would be more useful to a webdev, that it should already exist
2022-12-27 16:18:04	mpan	Change your perspective on the problem. This is not a web page. This is a program, an application just like absolutely any other program you run on your computer. And any interaction must be done in a similar manner. The difference is primarily that the owner can change the program at any time without notice, and that they may employ methods to limit your attempts to control the program.
2022-12-27 16:18:22	lolok	yea heres my interaction: open it. done.
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2022-12-27 16:18:25	mpan	lolok: yes, so I already told you: Selenium (or a similar driver).
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2022-12-27 16:19:42	lolok	fair, a bit overkill, tho... heres my hackjob: curl 'https://gql.twitch.tv/gql#origin=twilight' -X POST -H 'Client-Id: kimne78kx3ncx6brgo4mv6wki5h1ko' --data-raw
2022-12-27 16:19:42	lolok	'[{"operationName":"BrowsePage_Popular","variables":{"limit":30,"platformType":"all","options":{"freeformTags":["Linux"]},"sortTypeIsRecency":false},"extensions":{"persistedQuery":{"version":1,"sha256Hash":"b32fa28ffd43e370b42de7d9e6e3b8a7ca310035fdbb83932150443d6b693e4d"}}}]' | sed 
2022-12-27 16:19:42	lolok	's,login...,\nhttps://www.twitch.tv/,g;s/[^\n]*\n//;s/\"[^\n]*\n/\n/g;s/".*//' | mpv --playlist=-
2022-12-27 16:19:43	mpan	Alternatively you may reverse engineer the server API, but that may also change at any point without notice.
2022-12-27 16:19:44	phrik	Title: Twitch (at www.twitch.tv)
2022-12-27 16:19:51	lolok	lol already done
2022-12-27 16:20:52	lolok	gotta parse html with regex for maximum pain
2022-12-27 16:21:09	mpan	rip
2022-12-27 16:21:57	rcf	lolok: Firefox did used to support exporting the DOM without much issue, but that was removed long ago. 
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2022-12-27 16:24:49	lolok	ill just see how often they break this script, maybe ill learn selenium eventually, hopefully wont have to tho, obviously im not improving my life with this one, just playing around for fun
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2022-12-27 16:26:02	mpan	lolok: Selenium is for when you do not want to deal with reverse engineering API. Reverse engineering is usually a cleaner approach, tho.
2022-12-27 16:26:41	rcf	In theory
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2022-12-27 16:26:57	rcf	The problem is when you are sued under CFAA for accessing information illicitly. 
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2022-12-27 16:27:30	mpan	Using Selenium is already breaking the agreement for many services.
2022-12-27 16:27:32	rcf	Which companies are going to be more and more likely to do as a consequence of tightening privacy regulations. 
2022-12-27 16:27:40	mpan	So is blocking spyware etc.
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2022-12-27 16:31:42	lolok	that was my impression of the situation, and why i would like a kind of tool thats more simplistic, just to get the page as rendered and do the rest by hand, but if they break my script often enough, then yea im not gonna deal with manually rewriting this regex every week with a new id or hash
2022-12-27 16:32:25	jkc	rcf: If you're using Selenium to access information that you have authorization to access via a normal browser, the CFAA doesn't apply.
2022-12-27 16:32:27	lolok	well i guess the hash isnt in the regex but you get my point
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2022-12-27 16:35:47	mpan	jkc: you have authorization to access it only in a specified manner, which usually explicitly bans using tools like Selenium.
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2022-12-27 16:36:33	jkc	mpan: Scraping a website without permission is not a violation of the CFAA. HiQ Labs v. LinkedIn, 2019. Violating a site's ToS is not a violation. Sandvig v. Barr, 2020.
2022-12-27 16:36:43	rcf	jkc: I refer to reverse engineering specifically. 
2022-12-27 16:36:50	rcf	jkc: and accessing internal APIs in doing so. 
2022-12-27 16:36:58	mpan	jkc: I will check it out then.
2022-12-27 16:37:35	jkc	rcf: If you're authorized to access the information, including source code, then using it improperly is not a violation. Van Buren v. United States, 2020.
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2022-12-27 16:38:32	jkc	If no authentication is required to access something, then you're going to have a very, very hard time establishing that someone accessed information "exceeding their authorization."
2022-12-27 16:38:44	jkc	If the only thing in the way is a site's ToS, it's not a CFAA matter.
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2022-12-27 16:39:12	jkc	Reverse engineering publicly-accessible code is not a criminal offense. That's a ToS thing.
2022-12-27 16:39:26	jkc	The CFAA is such cancer...
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2022-12-27 16:39:39	jkc	Shouldn't have to know case law to understand what is and isn't a crime.
2022-12-27 16:40:31	rcf	jkc: in citing that, you invalidate the citation of HiQ Labs v. LinkedIn, as that scraping was then ruled to be unauthorized access in 2022. 
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2022-12-27 16:41:09	rcf	wait, nevermind, I am stupid 
2022-12-27 16:41:23	lolok	this guy brings the receipts
2022-12-27 16:41:26	jkc	Even trying to discuss case law means you're not stupid.
2022-12-27 16:41:57	jkc	lolok: When you're a security consultant to the legal arm of a large corporation, you get used to this shit.
2022-12-27 16:42:39	lolok	lol let me know when youre hiring
2022-12-27 16:42:48	jkc	pfft, I got the hell away from that.
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2022-12-27 16:44:44	jkc	I'm sure what the CFAA means will be different tomorrow.
2022-12-27 16:45:12	jkc	But that's all the relevant case law that I know of to this date. Last ruling I know of is 2021.
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2022-12-27 16:51:13	lolok	the way i see it is if i dont pay for super fast internet and i dont use a botnet or do anything else deliberately stupid then im not gonna a large enuf affect on a network like twitch [run by amazon] for them to blacklist my ip let alone summon the legal team if they even notice me at all lol
2022-12-27 16:52:14	lolok	s/gonna/gonna have/
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2022-12-27 16:54:29	lolok	normally i prefer to ask generic questions but in this case knowing the 'victim' i dont really feel bad
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2022-12-27 16:57:22	panosdev	Hello, how can I pass environment variables to dkms install?
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2022-12-27 16:58:24	panosdev	I'm trying to install the proprietary nvidia driver for my GPU, (nvidia-430xx) but the build fails
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2022-12-27 16:58:42	Namarrgon	which version of the driver?
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2022-12-27 16:59:54	panosdev	430.40-1
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2022-12-27 17:00:15	Namarrgon	why is it out of date?
2022-12-27 17:00:17	panosdev	I'm trying to install it through the dkms package
2022-12-27 17:01:11	panosdev	this is the driver for my card according to this website: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx 
2022-12-27 17:01:13	phrik	Title: Official Drivers | NVIDIA (at www.nvidia.com)
2022-12-27 17:01:21	Namarrgon	aur/nvidia-430xx-dkms 430.40-9
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2022-12-27 17:01:49	panosdev	ah yes excuse me it's version 9 actually
2022-12-27 17:02:07	panosdev	just checked the PKGBUILD
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2022-12-27 17:03:40	panosdev	the build fails with an error regarding not being able to locate stdarg.h:
2022-12-27 17:03:43	panosdev	/var/lib/dkms/nvidia/430.40/build/common/inc/os-interface.h:27:10: fatal error: stdarg.h: No such file or directory 
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2022-12-27 17:04:22	Namarrgon	fix it in the PKGBUILD
2022-12-27 17:04:51	Namarrgon	it has a prepare() function which already seds a bunch of other settings
2022-12-27 17:05:27	panosdev	earlier in the log make mentions that I'm using the wrong compiler: https://termbin.com/4xz8 
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2022-12-27 17:39:43	panosdev	oh my lord I think I'm going crazy
2022-12-27 17:39:59	panosdev	with a directory structure like that: https://termbin.com/g5wqy 
2022-12-27 17:40:21	panosdev	what should the file argument to sed be if I want to change Makefile?
2022-12-27 17:43:08	panosdev	if I use nvidia/430.40/source/Makefile I get this error: sed: couldn't open temporary file nvidia/430.40/source/sed17eM7C: Permission denied
2022-12-27 17:44:39	panosdev	how can I substitute user inside prepare?
2022-12-27 17:49:20	astralc	who is the owner of the dir?
2022-12-27 17:49:24	astralc	your user?
2022-12-27 17:49:26	panosdev	root
2022-12-27 17:49:28	panosdev	no
2022-12-27 17:49:37	astralc	so this is your problem
2022-12-27 17:49:40	astralc	why it is root?
2022-12-27 17:49:55	panosdev	idk makepkg put those files there
2022-12-27 17:50:44	panosdev	the source dir is actually a symlink to /usr/src/nvidia-430.40 
2022-12-27 17:55:35	astralc	from looking at the package it use the -dkms package
2022-12-27 17:55:41	astralc	so you may need to change it
2022-12-27 17:55:58	astralc	(or just you the dkms one)
2022-12-27 17:56:02	astralc	*or just use
2022-12-27 17:56:51	panosdev	ohhh yes you are correct! and I was wondering why the PKGBUILD was so different all of a sudden
2022-12-27 17:57:31	panosdev	I removed the old package so I could build it again but it seems the second time I accidentally got the non-dkms package 
2022-12-27 18:00:14	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-27 18:16:40	panosdev	here's the whole dkms build log: https://termbin.com/wuer 
2022-12-27 18:17:53	Scimmia	why are you using such an old kernel?
2022-12-27 18:18:29	panosdev	uhh I just noticed that as well... 
2022-12-27 18:18:46	panosdev	right now I'm on 6.1.1-arch1-1
2022-12-27 18:19:00	Scimmia	what's in /lib/modules/?
2022-12-27 18:19:41	panosdev	https://termbin.com/z8fcf 
2022-12-27 18:19:57	Scimmia	run pacman -Qo on those dirs
2022-12-27 18:20:18	Scimmia	that 5.17.1 looks like a self-built kernel
2022-12-27 18:20:59	panosdev	hmm before that last build I updated my system, that's probably why, wait let me reboot 
2022-12-27 18:21:51	panosdev	if you notice the earlier log mentioned that the kernel was built with 12.2.0 so I guess the update removed the kernel https://termbin.com/4xz8
2022-12-27 18:22:14	panosdev	and it defaulted to a custom built one
2022-12-27 18:22:16	Scimmia	that log was building for a different kernel
2022-12-27 18:22:27	Scimmia	dkms builds for all installed kernels
2022-12-27 18:26:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-27 18:31:17	panosdev	how can I fix it? 
2022-12-27 18:31:29	panosdev	I rebooted
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2022-12-27 18:32:03	Scimmia	rebooting didn't do anything useful
2022-12-27 18:32:21	panosdev	yes it didn't do anything actually
2022-12-27 18:32:46	Scimmia	First, clean up /lib/modules
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2022-12-27 18:33:06	Scimmia	then see if you need to patch the source or what. I don't know which stdarg.h it wants
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2022-12-27 18:41:37	panosdev	ok I removed that custom built kernel, now according to the makepkg output dkms only builds the module for my live kernel: 6.1.1-arch1-1
2022-12-27 18:41:51	panosdev	and here's the dkms log: 
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2022-12-27 18:42:22	panosdev	https://termbin.com/br3y 
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2022-12-27 18:43:33	panosdev	here's the output of "locate stdarg.h": https://termbin.com/ih0vq 
2022-12-27 18:43:54	onla	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/X_keyboard_extension#Mouse_control How can I add a mouse wheel scrolling to this default setup?
2022-12-27 18:43:56	phrik	Title: X keyboard extension - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-12-27 18:45:54	Scimmia	panosdev: so you don't have the kernel headers installed?
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2022-12-27 18:47:17	panosdev	Scimmia: output of "pacman -Qi linux-headers": https://termbin.com/rixq 
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2022-12-27 18:47:45	Scimmia	and yet it's not showing up in your locate command. Old database, maybe
2022-12-27 18:48:11	Scimmia	one of the reasons I don't bother with locate anymore
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2022-12-27 18:48:44	heat	am I the only one who has noticed major regressions with qemu recently? which seems related to 6.1 MGLRU
2022-12-27 18:48:45	panosdev	is stdargs.h part of the headers? I was under the impression that it was part of the standard library 
2022-12-27 18:49:12	panosdev	here's the contents of the linux headers package installed on my machine: https://termbin.com/d0kh 
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2022-12-27 18:49:37	Scimmia	there are multiple different stdarg.h
2022-12-27 18:49:57	panosdev	ah the paste is cut short because it was too big
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2022-12-27 18:50:21	panosdev	but "pacman -Ql linux-headers | grep stdargs" doesn't output anything
2022-12-27 18:50:31	Scimmia	because there's no s
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2022-12-27 18:50:50	Scimmia	trailing s
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2022-12-27 18:51:12	panosdev	ah you are correct, but the make file uses stdarg.h
2022-12-27 18:51:33	panosdev	I mean the compiler trying to build the module
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2022-12-27 18:51:57	Scimmia	anyway, googing nvidia stdarg.h will probably give you some things to try
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2022-12-27 18:54:15	panosdev	I can't find anything D: I quit!
2022-12-27 18:54:17	Scimmia	the 430 drivers don't seem to be supported anymore, so the problem is that they aren't getting updated for changes in the kernel
2022-12-27 18:54:36	Scimmia	390 and 470 are LTS
2022-12-27 18:54:53	panosdev	but according to nvidia I should be using 430
2022-12-27 18:55:09	panosdev	this laptop is 10 years old
2022-12-27 18:55:26	Scimmia	if you want 430, you're going to have to adapt the code to the kernel yourself
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2022-12-27 18:56:16	panosdev	is it a good idea to use 470?
2022-12-27 18:56:26	Scimmia	if they support your card, sure
2022-12-27 18:57:37	panosdev	this website says my supported driver is 430 so I guess 470 is out of the question.. https://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx 
2022-12-27 18:57:38	phrik	Title: Official Drivers | NVIDIA (at www.nvidia.com)
2022-12-27 18:58:25	Scimmia	what card?
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2022-12-27 18:58:39	panosdev	GeForce 820M 
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2022-12-27 19:01:21	Scimmia	it's Fermi, just use the 390 drivers
2022-12-27 19:02:00	panosdev	ok I'm going to try with this: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nvidia-390xx-dkms 
2022-12-27 19:02:05	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - nvidia-390xx-utils (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2022-12-27 19:13:34	panosdev	ok rebooting 
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2022-12-27 19:13:45	yenaras	I got a gtx 750 and using nvidia 525 driver with no issues
2022-12-27 19:14:31	yenaras	been using whatever is the lastest for 2 years now with no issues
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2022-12-27 19:18:06	panosdev	hello I am using the proprietary nvidia drivers right now :D
2022-12-27 19:18:38	panosdev	but most things are broken lmaooo
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2022-12-27 19:19:19	throstur	I have a feeling the nvidia hardware is worse than advertised, perhaps your hardware is faulty
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2022-12-27 19:37:50	SponiX	panosdev: your stuff all good now?
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2022-12-28 12:10:51	manuels	ewwww
2022-12-28 12:10:59	manuels	what is this new looknfeel of the wiki
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2022-12-28 12:11:03	manuels	can we revert?
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2022-12-28 12:12:16	agowa338	I agree. I also don't like the new UX. The old one was ways simpler.
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2022-12-28 12:13:19	teraflops	I like it the left bar seems more pleasant
2022-12-28 12:16:43	agowa338	Is it the fancy vs dumb plain and functional discussion again? 😅
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2022-12-28 12:20:39	NetSysFire	patches welcome. its an upstream mediawiki change
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2022-12-28 12:21:47	JTL	git-revert /s
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2022-12-28 12:22:44	grawity	>new
2022-12-28 12:22:50	grawity	hasn't it been around for half a year?
2022-12-28 12:23:10	NetSysFire	there were some recent changes because the wiki was updated a week or so ago
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2022-12-28 12:23:47	grawity	switch back to "vector legacy (2010)" in special:preferences
2022-12-28 12:23:48	NetSysFire	the wiki admins didnt like it either but theres no easy way to change it, so feel free to fix it upstream
2022-12-28 12:23:56	NetSysFire	yeah i use the legacy theme, too
2022-12-28 12:25:42	manuels	i see margins and padding
2022-12-28 12:25:50	manuels	wtf this is ugly af
2022-12-28 12:25:57	manuels	ty grawity 
2022-12-28 12:25:59	NetSysFire	complain to mediawiki dude
2022-12-28 12:26:37	manuels	relax I dont complain. just commenting 
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2022-12-28 12:38:58	manuels	Why is gpl called permissive
2022-12-28 12:39:28	manuels	It comes with  a lot of restrictions as client right? 
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2022-12-28 12:39:37	manuels	I'd rather call bad permissive
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2022-12-28 12:39:41	manuels	Bsd
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2022-12-28 12:40:44	manuels	Does gpl intend the client to notify upstream or is it just required to make it public? 
2022-12-28 12:40:51	gromit	manuels: #archlinux-offtopic
2022-12-28 12:42:35	gromit	Also maybe this FAQ helps: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#GPLRequireSourcePostedPublic
2022-12-28 12:42:37	phrik	Title: Frequently Asked Questions about the GNU Licenses - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (at www.gnu.org)
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2022-12-28 12:44:40	sambauer64	if no button is /win 2
2022-12-28 12:44:41	sambauer64	if no button is /win 1
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2022-12-28 12:54:33	af	does anyone know a way to ask pulseaudio to subtract a specific output from an input? i.e., say I am on an audio call and the mic is open, and I am playing some audio on my monitor speaker, the mic on the laptop catches that audio and the person on the call hears it - I'd like pulseaudio to modify the mic's input stream to subtract the output.
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2022-12-28 12:55:31	Ennea	af, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PulseAudio#Microphone_echo/noise_cancellation
2022-12-28 12:55:33	phrik	Title: PulseAudio - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-28 12:56:14	af	I scrolled that page like 3 times but missed it, thank you Ennea!
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2022-12-28 12:56:29	Ennea	i also just ctrl-f-ed for "echo" ;)
2022-12-28 12:56:37	Ennea	you're welcome
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2022-12-28 13:27:45	AmR	How I can Update khelpcenter to see all man pages I have in my system ?
2022-12-28 13:29:03	astralc	AmR: it should be already?
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2022-12-28 13:39:15	Ennea	af, it's been a long time, but i did this once on my work pc a few years ago. i'm using pipewire now, so i cannot help you with it i'm afraid
2022-12-28 13:39:38	Ennea	af, make sure you're using the newly created echo cancelled source as the input device in whatever application you're using
2022-12-28 13:40:33	af	I did. Unfortunately that only makes the input crackle a bit more, no echo cancellation. Anyway, I'll keep looking.
2022-12-28 13:40:42	Ennea	good luck!
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2022-12-28 13:54:46	chown	How do I turn on or off wifi cards on my laptop with nmcli?
2022-12-28 13:54:52	chown	I seem to have forgotten how to do it lol
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2022-12-28 13:55:53	coruja	the nmcli manpage probably knows
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2022-12-28 13:56:50	e4c9cdc1	how to enable monitor power off on inactivity?
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2022-12-28 13:58:46	brjl	e4c9cdc1: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management
2022-12-28 13:58:48	phrik	Title: Power management - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-28 13:59:05	coruja	!give e4c9cdc1 aw dpms
2022-12-28 13:59:06	phrik	e4c9cdc1: DPMS - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DPMS
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2022-12-28 14:03:21	chown	Ok
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2022-12-28 14:03:38	chown	So I am trying to get my PAUD6 Panda Wireless wifi dongle working
2022-12-28 14:03:49	chown	When I try and turn it on with nmcli it returns: Error: Failed to add/activate new connection: A 'wireless' setting is required if no AP path was given.
2022-12-28 14:03:54	chown	I have no idea what this means
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2022-12-28 14:24:34	bluetail	I like the new wiki style
2022-12-28 14:25:01	bluetail	however...
2022-12-28 14:25:09	bluetail	the color contrast is not good enough
2022-12-28 14:25:50	bluetail	code highlighting is bright grey and background is white
2022-12-28 14:25:58	bluetail	it would have to be dark gray against white
2022-12-28 14:26:06	bluetail	issue is even worse if you use dark reader
2022-12-28 14:41:31	e4c9cdc1	brjl, coruja those script need to be executed manualy to be work. 
2022-12-28 14:42:57	methamatician	!welcome
2022-12-28 14:42:57	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-12-28 14:43:24	e4c9cdc1	brjl, coruja rc.local file init.d dir does not exists anymore. so, script cannot be loader from there as advice your wiki.
2022-12-28 14:45:21	NetSysFire	bluetail: it is an upstream mediawiki issue
2022-12-28 14:45:34	bluetail	ah ok
2022-12-28 14:46:35	coruja	e4c9cdc1: the page i gave you doesn't mention any scripts, rc.local or init.d
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2022-12-28 14:51:49	nl6720	bluetail: what "code highlighting" are you talking about?
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2022-12-28 14:52:27	coruja	nl6720: the code snippet boxes
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2022-12-28 14:52:47	rcf	They're technically highlighted... even if only uniformly 
2022-12-28 14:53:00	bluetail	nl6720 the equivalent to github highlighting with `
2022-12-28 14:53:07	e4c9cdc1	I need to enable automatic DPMS.
2022-12-28 14:53:08	bluetail	makes code appear gray-ish
2022-12-28 14:53:29	bluetail	issue is that the white against the bright gray does not have enough contrast to differentiate between the two things
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2022-12-28 14:54:20	nl6720	NetSysFire: that color choice comes from https://github.com/archlinux/archwiki/blob/master/extensions/ArchLinux/modules/arch_definitions.less so it's not an upstream issue
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2022-12-28 14:54:32	nl6720	bluetail: it's supposed to be blue-ish
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2022-12-28 14:55:18	rcf	nl6720: I think they mean the interaction with dark reader, though that itself indicates it's not really Arch's problem to fix. If you're customizing the color scheme... just customize it so it doesn't suck!
2022-12-28 14:55:26	rcf	(on the browser side, I mean) 
2022-12-28 14:55:55	bluetail	rcf no
2022-12-28 14:55:56	nl6720	speaking of dark things, https://github.com/archlinux/archwiki/pull/63 could happen
2022-12-28 14:55:58	bluetail	I dont mean that
2022-12-28 14:56:31	rcf	bluetail: if you're not using dark reader, you have a browser bug, then. 
2022-12-28 14:57:23	nl6720	in the worst case, just get a pair of better eyes :P
2022-12-28 14:57:50	bluetail	rcf https://transfer.sh/YMN2RY/screenshot_2022-12-28_14-57-19_163294238.png 
2022-12-28 14:58:14	coruja	e4c9cdc1: can you paste the output of 'xset q' to a pastebin?
2022-12-28 14:58:20	bluetail	the grey is too bright
2022-12-28 14:58:34	bluetail	I can measure it if you want, but I am confident it doesnt fulfill wcag criteria
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2022-12-28 14:59:12	bluetail	its far worse if using dark reader, because the variance between the two colors is not big enough
2022-12-28 14:59:16	bluetail	either way its wrong
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2022-12-28 14:59:36	bluetail	you need more contrast, ideally 5:1 xD
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2022-12-28 15:00:56	nl6720	!give bluetail toofishes
2022-12-28 15:00:57	phrik	bluetail: patches welcome
2022-12-28 15:01:42	alloy	hello!  loving arch as my daily drive on my laptop.  one thing I could really do with is explicitly limit wake-from-sleep to be triggered ONLY by keypress, any ideas?  ta!
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2022-12-28 15:02:12	nl6720	that's configured in the system firmware setting, AFAIK
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2022-12-28 15:02:59	rcf	bluetail: for the style used by default, the contrast ratio is close to 14:1 
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2022-12-28 15:04:32	⚡ 	alloy reboots laptop and looks...
2022-12-28 15:05:04	rcf	#222222 on #ebf1f5 
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2022-12-28 15:08:28	rcf	WCAG only wants 4.5:1, so the wiki certainly passes there. 
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2022-12-28 15:15:01	coruja	…
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2022-12-28 15:19:13	alloy	nl6720: I've looked in 'bios settings' before, nothing stands out.  having said that, "it works in windows"(tm) lol
2022-12-28 15:19:19	NetSysFire	hmm, maybe acpi settings?
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2022-12-28 15:19:59	nl6720	maybe https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Wakeup_triggers
2022-12-28 15:20:00	phrik	Title: Power management/Wakeup triggers - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-28 15:20:48	NetSysFire	yeah the lid wakeup thing looks like it will do just the trick
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2022-12-28 15:26:47	alloy	cheers nl6720 I've been through that, but things have improved so I'll have another look tomorrow.
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2022-12-28 15:27:14	alloy	one last question - on install I encrypted grub because-it's-good-to-be-paranoid
2022-12-28 15:27:40	alloy	but no one said it will add a minute to boot time (or wake from hibernate even)
2022-12-28 15:27:58	alloy	does anyone have a good guide to removing this?  ty.
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2022-12-28 15:28:35	nl6720	alloy: is this UEFI or BIOS?
2022-12-28 15:28:44	ChrisAichinger	Hi, I had "openssl 1.1.1.o-1
2022-12-28 15:28:44	ChrisAichinger	" installed and did `sudo pacman -S core/openssl` -> "Packages (1) openssl-3.0.7-4
2022-12-28 15:28:44	ChrisAichinger	". Now pacman doesn't start anymore. ldd shows "libssl.so.1.1 => not found
2022-12-28 15:28:44	ChrisAichinger	; libcrypto.so.1.1 => not found".
2022-12-28 15:29:25	Scimmia	ChrisAichinger: partial updates are bad
2022-12-28 15:29:41	Scimmia	use pacman-static and fully update the system
2022-12-28 15:29:44	ChrisAichinger	How do I best dig myself out of this hole? Do you have some reading suggestions on the correct/default use of pacman so I don't fall into that pit again in the future? I'm a little unsure why pacman didn't detect that this would break my system.
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2022-12-28 15:30:19	methamatician	this is the most well developed and composed distribution which I've ever encountered...
2022-12-28 15:30:20	Ennea	ChrisAichinger, in order to never fall into it again: _never_ run pacman -Sy, always run pacman -Syu. basically, never refresh your local package database without also updating every package
2022-12-28 15:30:22	alloy	nl6720: well UEFI
2022-12-28 15:30:22	Scimmia	ChrisAichinger: simple, don't use -Sy. Never update the databases without updating the entire system
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2022-12-28 15:31:10	nl6720	alloy: how big is your EFI system partition?
2022-12-28 15:31:18	alloy	HP still calls is BIOS, so do I.  Try saying UEFI :)
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2022-12-28 15:31:36	Ennea	alloy, easy! in german at least ;)
2022-12-28 15:31:39	alloy	99M
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2022-12-28 15:31:46	alloy	100M
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2022-12-28 15:31:56	mpan	alloy: do you pronounce it bye-ayy-ohs, or bio-ess?
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2022-12-28 15:32:04	nl6720	are you dual-booting or planning to install multiple kernels?
2022-12-28 15:32:14	ChrisAichinger	Scimmia: thanks! Are there any precompiled pacman-static binaries for armv7h? A quick google only found me amd64 binaries
2022-12-28 15:32:25	Scimmia	!give ChrisAichinger alarm
2022-12-28 15:32:25	phrik	ChrisAichinger: If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
2022-12-28 15:32:28	alloy	nl6720: no way, I use linux-lts only
2022-12-28 15:32:38	Scimmia	ChrisAichinger: that's a different distro
2022-12-28 15:32:45	ChrisAichinger	Thanks for the pointer!
2022-12-28 15:33:01	alloy	h4rd3n3d: correct
2022-12-28 15:33:20	alloy	but I timedd it, exactly 60s in fact, every time lol
2022-12-28 15:33:32	nl6720	alloy: is /boot on the / volume or a separate partition?
2022-12-28 15:33:40	alloy	sep part
2022-12-28 15:34:14	Manouchehri	Stupid question, is there anything wrong with this xbindkeysrc?
2022-12-28 15:34:15	Manouchehri	https://gist.github.com/Manouchehri/b1c4eba98e118ec243ed080d607c5b48
2022-12-28 15:34:28	Manouchehri	It doesn't seem to do anything even with xbindkeys running
2022-12-28 15:34:37	alloy	so I can boot and run the system while repartitioning/reformatting /boot and reinstalling grub no problems
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2022-12-28 15:34:49	alloy	just looking for a good step by step guide
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2022-12-28 15:35:20	nl6720	alloy: well, you basically need to mount the ESP and /boot, copy the contents of /boot to the ESP and then update the fstab and boot loader configuration
2022-12-28 15:35:44	nl6720	h4rd3n3d: a "real encrypted /boot" can also be a separate encrypted partition
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2022-12-28 15:37:18	nl6720	it allows to use argon2 for /
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2022-12-28 15:38:12	alloy	rollback seems like a reason. - so nl6720 it's as simple as it sounds, right?  I'm a 20+ year linux veteran, there's just not a lot on undoing this.
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2022-12-28 15:38:53	alloy	recreate the partition (unencrypted), copy stuff back on, change the enc flag in grub defaults.
2022-12-28 15:39:17	alloy	*just not a lot written on undoing this
2022-12-28 15:39:35	methamatician	how does compression improve performance on a file system such as btrfs?
2022-12-28 15:39:41	nl6720	h4rd3n3d: grub's crypt stuff doesn't support argon
2022-12-28 15:39:45	Scimmia	h4rd3n3d: grub doesn't come into it if it's not used for /boot
2022-12-28 15:40:34	methamatician	I brought this up with a friend and he said that it was counterintuitive due to the compression requiring computational power and whatever..?
2022-12-28 15:40:45	nl6720	alloy: so you want /boot to remain separate from the ESP? that's possible too. copy stuff from /boot to a temporary place, reformat the partition used for /boot, mount and copy stuff back
2022-12-28 15:40:56	nl6720	you'll need to re-run grub-install and -mkconfig
2022-12-28 15:41:10	rcf	methamatician: it depends on what the bottleneck actually is. If you're bound by IO bandwidth, but have CPU to spare, you end up with more actual throughput with compression. 
2022-12-28 15:41:11	Scimmia	methamatician: less read time
2022-12-28 15:41:29	alloy	nl6720: thanks for confirming that. :D  just needed second opinion :thumbsup:
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2022-12-28 15:41:50	alloy	I'm not quite sure the problem of unencrypted boot partitions is that severe
2022-12-28 15:42:07	nl6720	alloy: make sure to have a thumb drive with Arch's iso in case you forget some step
2022-12-28 15:42:30	alloy	nl6720: haha always got all the thumb drives ;)
2022-12-28 15:42:44	nl6720	most people wouldn't consider encrypted /boot worth the trouble
2022-12-28 15:42:54	alloy	mmm agreed
2022-12-28 15:43:01	nl6720	also it limits you to GRUB. eww
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2022-12-28 15:43:18	methamatician	oh makes sense, rcf.
2022-12-28 15:43:20	methamatician	thanks
2022-12-28 15:43:27	alloy	it would stop secret ninja hackers sneaking at night in and installing pwned kernels ...
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2022-12-28 15:43:48	rcf	alloy: secure boot does that already. 
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2022-12-28 15:43:52	nl6720	Secure Boot + UKI
2022-12-28 15:43:56	rcf	No need to encrypt it. 
2022-12-28 15:44:12	alloy	nl6720: oh well.. so there is a new boot loader?  I'm still angry about the change *to* grub haha
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2022-12-28 15:44:35	alloy	was never sure what lilo was doing so bad :shrug:
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2022-12-28 15:44:45	nl6720	!give alloy boot loader
2022-12-28 15:44:46	phrik	alloy: Eh?
2022-12-28 15:44:47	nl6720	!give alloy aw boot loader
2022-12-28 15:44:49	phrik	alloy: Boot loader - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Boot_loader
2022-12-28 15:45:00	nl6720	pick your poison
2022-12-28 15:45:15	alloy	I can install that while I'm destroying my boot partition hey
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2022-12-28 15:45:55	nl6720	the one positive thing about grub is that it's still in active development, unlike some from that ^ list
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2022-12-28 15:46:23	teraflops	iirc lilo is still a thing
2022-12-28 15:46:34	rcf	teraflops: it is no longer maintained, but it exists. 
2022-12-28 15:47:17	alloy	not wanting to bag grub, it's fine, but is there a newer, cooler, linux boot loader?  (so very very cool haha)
2022-12-28 15:48:22	NetSysFire	alloy: refind
2022-12-28 15:48:37	nl6720	systemd-boot should be newer
2022-12-28 15:48:38	NetSysFire	or systemd-boot if you just want something barebones simple that just works
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2022-12-28 15:49:51	alloy	yeah, the more bare bones the better
2022-12-28 15:49:59	NetSysFire	systemd-boot is my bootloader of choice, but it doesnt have things such as pretty background images, it is very simplistic. but you will only see your boot splash thingy for a handful of seconds anyways
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2022-12-28 15:50:14	alloy	one OS per laptop (tm)
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2022-12-28 15:50:21	luto	where are kernel parameters like copytoram= archisolabel= or accessibility= documented? I can't seem to find it in the wiki or in any man page.
2022-12-28 15:50:21	luto	There is this for arch, but archisolabel isn't listed. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/kernel_parameters 
2022-12-28 15:50:22	luto	There is this for the kernel generally, which doesn't list the arch ones ofc. https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html
2022-12-28 15:50:22	phrik	Title: Kernel parameters - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-28 15:50:23	phrik	Title: The kernel’s command-line parameters — The Linux Kernel documentation (at docs.kernel.org)
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2022-12-28 15:50:50	nl6720	rEFInd's development has stalled unfortunately. it had a cool feature (I think systemd-boot has it too), where it kept the vendor logo and didn't show the menu if you set timeout to -1, but because of some bug it was removed
2022-12-28 15:51:24	luto	specifically, I am looking for up-to-date docs on the script= parameter introduced here, but were since removed from that repo. https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/archiso/-/merge_requests/185
2022-12-28 15:51:26	phrik	Title: Add documentation for the `script=` variable (!185) · Merge requests · Arch Linux / archiso · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2022-12-28 15:51:27	nl6720	luto: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/mkinitcpio/mkinitcpio-archiso/-/blob/master/docs/README.bootparams
2022-12-28 15:51:28	phrik	Title: docs/README.bootparams · master · Arch Linux / Mkinitcpio / mkinitcpio-archiso · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2022-12-28 15:51:50	luto	hah, the very same file I was looking for. thanks!
2022-12-28 15:51:55	nl6720	the installation guide links to that file too
2022-12-28 15:52:11	alloy	oh lilo was discontinued because new stuff it can't work with.
2022-12-28 15:52:40	ldiamond	Looking at this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PulseAudio/Examples (splitting fron/rear), I get a different behavior when using the example.
2022-12-28 15:52:41	phrik	Title: PulseAudio/Examples - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-28 15:53:10	methamatician	in the console how may I see the duration of time that my PCs been powered on using the battery
2022-12-28 15:53:11	methamatician	?
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2022-12-28 15:53:26	ldiamond	Although I map headphones and speakers to the same alsa device, speaker ends up going through the HDMI output (monitor built-in speakers) while the headphones go through the 5.1 audio.
2022-12-28 15:54:55	alloy	mmm alsa needs some attention :)
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2022-12-28 15:58:07	alloy	thanks for the answers, have a good one!
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2022-12-28 15:59:53	ldiamond	Ah, ok, it works now. Played around with the outputs via pavucontrol until pulse crashes and then it started working...
2022-12-28 16:00:01	ldiamond	(I had restarted pulse previously)
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2022-12-28 16:35:40	ChrisAichinger	Scimmia: thanks again. Couldn't find a pacman-static for my armv7h. Ended up manually copying over a few libs from the openssl-1.1 package.
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2022-12-28 16:37:15	ChrisAichinger	Since curl and sshd didn't work anymore, wget was not installed, I ended up copying the file over via $ cat </dev/tcp/192.168.1.18/9999 > openssl-1.1.tar.xz. Happy to get this working :D
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2022-12-28 16:47:01	ldiamond	Giving PipeWire a shot again. I installed pipewire, pipewire-pulse and wireplumber. My expectation given the pipewire-pulse package is that `pavucontrol` would work.
2022-12-28 16:47:21	ldiamond	It says it can't connect to pulse. I also have no audio at all.
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2022-12-28 16:49:38	ldiamond	I do see this in the `pipewire-pulse.service` status: pw.core: 0x5620fd0b5840: can't find protocol 'PipeWire:Protocol:Native': Operation not supported
2022-12-28 16:52:18	astralc	and pipewire is up?
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2022-12-28 16:54:57	ldiamond	The service is running. It does say `spa.alsa: 'front:0': playback open failed: Device or resource busy`
2022-12-28 16:55:57	Tom^	i would logout/login or reboot after installing pulse. if something like pulse or something natively accessing alsa it could have hogged all access and installing pipewire afterwards wont let it access it.
2022-12-28 16:56:05	Tom^	*installing pipewire
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2022-12-28 16:56:43	ldiamond	I rebooted yea
2022-12-28 16:57:21	AmR	How I can Update khelpcenter to see all man pages I have in my system ?
2022-12-28 16:58:18	astralc	AmR: it already is?
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2022-12-28 16:58:37	astralc	do you see man normaly with man command?
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2022-12-28 16:59:17	Scimmia	ldiamond: pipewire-alsa?
2022-12-28 17:00:05	ldiamond	Scimmia: Yea I also have pipewire-alsa.
2022-12-28 17:00:09	AmR	astralc: Yes, I can see it
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2022-12-28 17:00:35	Scimmia	ldiamond: what does tree /etc/systemd/ show?
2022-12-28 17:00:52	astralc	you have "UNIX Manual pages" section?
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2022-12-28 17:01:45	AmR	Oh, yes
2022-12-28 17:01:45	Tom^	astralc: just checked khelpcenter seems to be missing things. "strerror" doesnt turn up the page man 3 strerror would.
2022-12-28 17:02:04	Tom^	not that i personally use khelpcenter anyhow but
2022-12-28 17:02:21	ldiamond	Scimmia: the only audio related stuff is under user and it's pipewire, pipewire-pulse and wireplumber.
2022-12-28 17:02:54	ldiamond	http://ix.io/4jNe
2022-12-28 17:03:19	AmR	astralc: But when I try search for c printf I can get it, but it's work from command line.
2022-12-28 17:03:29	astralc	Tom^: in my system `man 3 strerror` don't have manual entry
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2022-12-28 17:04:46	Tom^	astralc: https://i.imgur.com/L7agiYR.png
2022-12-28 17:05:12	astralc	AmR: it limit result to 10, change it
2022-12-28 17:05:27	astralc	the printf(1) manual is there
2022-12-28 17:05:45	astralc	also Tom^ 
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2022-12-28 17:06:36	Tom^	astralc: ah indeed.
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2022-12-28 17:07:31	Scimmia	ldiamond: yeah, it appears to be set up right there, although I have to wonder if apparmor might be interfering
2022-12-28 17:07:51	AmR	astralc: Yes, That's the point thanks.
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2022-12-28 17:10:55	ldiamond	Scimmia: not sure how to check that.
2022-12-28 17:11:03	Scimmia	I'm not either
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2022-12-28 17:11:44	ldiamond	My apparmor service is disabled and not running
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2022-12-28 19:13:38	BrainDamage	there's the good old zynaddsubfx
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2022-12-28 19:14:33	BrainDamage	a word of warning, most midi programs require an external tool to connect their input-output ports
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2022-12-28 19:15:14	susi	are there hardware manufacturers (other than maybe nvidia) that are not-so-well-linux compatible?
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2022-12-28 19:15:24	susi	I recently had to buy a new laptop, and still has not had the courage to install Linux on it
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2022-12-28 19:15:50	Scimmia	broadcom
2022-12-28 19:15:59	gehidore	there's plenty, but usually with laptops it's stuff like the wifi, bt, or mouse device
2022-12-28 19:16:21	gehidore	susi what laptop you get?
2022-12-28 19:17:11	susi	asus L410KA-EK342W
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2022-12-28 19:17:32	ℹ 	amphanyx5 es conocido ahora como amphanyx
2022-12-28 19:17:52	susi	when buying it, I thought it should be pretty Linux-able
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2022-12-28 19:22:04	cedb	hmm archinstall crashes on selecting the "drives" menu, something "bad json not block device"
2022-12-28 19:22:40	susi	though it has more RAM and Intel Pentium Silver N6000 contary to the specs often shown 
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2022-12-28 19:24:03	cedb	DiskError: failed to read disk /dev/sdb1 with lsblk, thats normal, there *isnt* a partiton sdb1, only sbd2
2022-12-28 19:24:31	cedb	sdb is the thumb drive created with the dd command from the aw
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2022-12-28 19:25:50	teraflops	susi: I have a fanless pentium silver N500 minipc and it runs archlinux pretty well, including BT and wifi
2022-12-28 19:25:57	teraflops	N5000^
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2022-12-28 19:28:51	susi	teraflops: not-so-teraflops I guess....
2022-12-28 19:29:03	teraflops	it's ok
2022-12-28 19:29:38	SysGhost	nanoflips, the arch nemesis of teraflops
2022-12-28 19:31:07	teraflops	it's fine for selfhosting a couple of web sites, some containers and wireguard
2022-12-28 19:31:07	cedb	getting worse: Partition 5 on /dev/sda has been written but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the changes
2022-12-28 19:31:24	manuels	Why do we have to recompile when eg. Qt libraries updated? Afaik minor version changes should be binary backward compatible. So even if the minor or patch version of a soname changes everything should be fine right? 
2022-12-28 19:32:43	teraflops	cedb: iirc there is #archinstall
2022-12-28 19:32:57	susi	teraflops: my previous laptop had 4G of RAM and celeron n3350
2022-12-28 19:33:02	cedb	teraflops: ahh good to know thanks
2022-12-28 19:33:06	susi	so this is a real improvement, though I did not want to improve
2022-12-28 19:33:06	teraflops	this one ships 8GB
2022-12-28 19:33:09	cedb	might open a couple issues :/
2022-12-28 19:33:17	susi	teraflops: mine too.... and it feels like excessive
2022-12-28 19:33:24	teraflops	nah it's ok ;)
2022-12-28 19:33:32	susi	I never had any problems with 4G, and it kept me humble
2022-12-28 19:34:15	susi	now there's so much to waste for redundant luxury, that I fear I'm gonna lose myself....
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2022-12-28 19:34:34	SysGhost	manuels: you're right. Libraries are often backwards compatible. The even often get symlinked backwards to help older applications to still find the older library file versions. But sometimes there are changes that require dependent applications to recompile.
2022-12-28 19:35:18	rcf	manuels: that attitude has largely died out, especially among Linux people. 
2022-12-28 19:35:58	rcf	Even there is still the intention, just not supporting anything but one version is simpler. 
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2022-12-28 19:47:54	SysGhost	manuels: say that you use qca-qt5 in your qt application, you might refer to libqca-qt5.so.2.3.5 found and is happy about it. Done, compiled, tested and distributed. Once qca-qt5 updates, your application suddenly can't find it anymore and borks with the infamous "file not found... blabla". you could then instead refer to libqca-qt5.so.2 which is a symlink managed by most distributions package
2022-12-28 19:47:54	SysGhost	managers and/or the library maintainer. Then you don't 
2022-12-28 19:47:55	SysGhost	have to worry about updates as long as the symlink works.
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2022-12-28 19:50:31	Scimmia	manuels: Qt is a special case that has nothing to do with the library name or soname. Things that just use Qt aren't affected, but plugins can use internal functions and need to be built for each individual version
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2022-12-28 20:04:47	Tom^	hrm does systemd or some other silly tool like kwallet or whatever use tpm2 if available? https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/tpm-causing-problems-windows-11-amd-ryzen-cpus/ seems tpm2 is broken on a set of systems and causes " "select AMD Ryzen system configurations may intermittently perform extended fTPM-related memory transactions in SPI flash memory (“SPIROM”) located on the
2022-12-28 20:04:48	phrik	Title: TPM is causing more issues with Windows 11 and Ryzen CPUs | Digital Trends (at www.digitaltrends.com)
2022-12-28 20:04:50	Tom^	motherboard, essentially causing your system to stutter until the transaction completes"
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2022-12-28 20:05:17	Tom^	disabled tpm2 in bios now anyhow but
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2022-12-28 20:32:06	jclsn	How to fix that SDDM is only shown on the primary display although external displays are connected?
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2022-12-28 20:32:25	jclsn	Even grub detects the external displays and is shown on them
2022-12-28 20:32:41	jclsn	I also have set in the BIOS that the external display should be preferred
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2022-12-28 20:43:34	MrElendig	laptop?
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2022-12-28 20:44:14	MrElendig	if so, you might have to enable the nvidia/amd dgpu if it has one, many have the external port wired up to it instead of the igpu
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2022-12-29 10:30:07	onla	How do I get all or more journalctl entries in the pager than the most recent boot with -e option where I start from the end? I tried journalctl -e -nall but it doesnt work, or -e -n10000, still only the same amount, the most recent
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2022-12-29 10:33:55	astralc	-b <n>?
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2022-12-29 10:35:23	coruja	onla: i'm not sure if your issue has something to do with recent updates, but instead of messing around with partial downgrades, have a look instead at:
2022-12-29 10:35:26	coruja	!ala
2022-12-29 10:35:28	phrik	Let's flip through it to hunt our lovely bugs: <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_Archive>. The Arch Linux Archive itself can be browsed at <https://archive.archlinux.org/>.
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2022-12-29 10:44:42	onla	So if I had performed my previous pacman -Syu for example on 25th of dec after which system ran smoothly, I could try restoring all my packages to a date before that. Anyway, I have been collecting clues to a text file and I'm trying to search backwards the journalctl to jump to previous boot but it wouldn't work if I start journactl with -e option (even with -nall) as it won't have all in the
2022-12-29 10:44:43	onla	pager
2022-12-29 10:45:40	onla	I will check my pacman.log when I did the previous system upgrade and try restoring to that date then. Sounds a bit scary but I guess it's safe
2022-12-29 10:45:50	onla	after I have eaten, now afk for a bit
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2022-12-29 10:52:45	onla	https://pastebin.mozilla.org/csG3bg9G I'll add this from journalctl. Dec28 and before kernel has this _OSI with Linux added but now those entries are missing. Also Dec 28 and before that HDMI worked and it assigned only one input entry in the log while Dec29 and later it adds 6 inputs
2022-12-29 10:52:47	phrik	Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/csG3bg9G (Plain Text) (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
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2022-12-29 10:59:30	Hunker	While setting up arch on an usb stick I cant link /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf to /etc/resolv.conf in chroot. The resource is bussy. And also it cant resolve even if it can ping an ip. Can I link this from my native system while outside from chroot safely?
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2022-12-29 15:07:56	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-12-29 15:25:40	macbethwin	is there some plasma/kda countback timer to 23
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2022-12-29 15:26:17	edgy	macbethwin: what's countback timer?
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2022-12-29 15:26:42	edgy	macbethwin: you mean countdown?
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2022-12-29 15:26:44	macbethwin	i mean something that counts down from '23 1-1
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2022-12-29 15:26:51	macbethwin	yes i do sorry
2022-12-29 15:26:54	edgy	macbethwin: yes, there is a widget
2022-12-29 15:26:58	macbethwin	allright
2022-12-29 15:27:05	macbethwin	thanks edgy
2022-12-29 15:27:22	edgy	macbethwin: you are welcome. it's called timer
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2022-12-29 15:27:51	macbethwin	lso true again edge
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2022-12-29 15:28:28	macbethwin	is there a online hackx hackaton virtual event still going?
2022-12-29 15:29:27	edgy	I have a problem with Konsole, I set the font to Cascadia Mono PL and it works for the English text. But for Arabic, it's displayed in Courier New, don't understand why, any hint?
2022-12-29 15:30:37	lolok	cascadia doesnt have arabic glyphs so fontconfig is using the fallback?
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2022-12-29 15:35:51	lolok	for t in `seq 23 -1 1` ; do echo $t ; sleep 1 ; done ; echo done!
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2022-12-29 15:38:54	edgy	lolok: sorry my system crashed! why do you say cascadia doesn't have Arabic? Surely, it does
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2022-12-29 15:42:28	Namarrgon	do you know that or are you assuming that?
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2022-12-29 15:43:09	bblinky	Hey, I am having a look at this https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg/Keyboard_configuration and want to set up the xorg.conf.d file so I can make a kb sortcut to change the mapping... I am wondering if it is possible to leave out the XkbVariant option line and if not what I would actually set the value too to have a normal keyboard.. Is it just called qwerty or does it have a more speciffic
2022-12-29 15:43:10	phrik	Title: Xorg/Keyboard configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-29 15:43:11	bblinky	name?
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2022-12-29 15:44:29	bblinky	Also, do we really need to have a config suggestion on the wiki that changes peoples keyboard to dvorak if they just copy paste like a clown (like I do sometimes)
2022-12-29 15:44:35	bblinky	?
2022-12-29 15:44:53	Namarrgon	what do you mean by "make a kb shortcut"?
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2022-12-29 15:47:07	bblinky	That I could make a mapping in my i3 config to map f.ex. alt+space to xkb-switch -n
2022-12-29 15:47:36	haroon	Hello I'm having trouble switching my audio output from analog to hdmi. I set it over kde "audio - System Setting" to HDMI Output. I can hear sound over the other output for 1 sec and then it switches right back to analog output.
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2022-12-29 15:49:07	bblinky	Or actually even better as I read the wiki it seems I can set a kb combo for layout switching with XkbOptions right in the Xorg config
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2022-12-29 15:49:23	bblinky	Namarrgon: ^
2022-12-29 15:50:02	Namarrgon	bblinky: what do you have set in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf ?
2022-12-29 15:50:17	Namarrgon	you can do that, sure
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2022-12-29 15:54:08	bblinky	Right now I have not written the file Ihave just copied in the config example from the wiki and want to edit it so that I have """ Option "XkbLayout" "dk,ie" """ and XkbOptions actually looks fine... I just want to make sure wether or not I can remove the lines with XkbVariant and XkbModel and expect to have a funtional kb afterwards :)
2022-12-29 15:54:27	Namarrgon	do you have that file or not?
2022-12-29 15:54:31	bblinky	Or do those options need to be set to not confuse xorg?
2022-12-29 15:54:46	bblinky	Rightnow I have it in my vim buffer
2022-12-29 15:54:54	Namarrgon	/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf ?
2022-12-29 15:54:58	bblinky	yes
2022-12-29 15:55:11	Namarrgon	add the second layout to it and you're done
2022-12-29 15:55:12	bblinky	It does not exist on the filesystem yettho
2022-12-29 15:55:18	Namarrgon	wat
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2022-12-29 15:56:06	bblinky	The file did not exist so I have just in my vim buffer after I did "sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf"
2022-12-29 15:56:13	bblinky	I did not write the file yet
2022-12-29 15:56:42	Namarrgon	are you sure it doesn't exist?
2022-12-29 15:56:45	bblinky	yes
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2022-12-29 15:56:57	bblinky	actually no
2022-12-29 15:57:00	bblinky	Just a sec
2022-12-29 15:57:07	Namarrgon	remove ever Option line that isn't XbkLayout
2022-12-29 15:57:10	Namarrgon	*every
2022-12-29 15:57:20	Namarrgon	you're not very good at answering the simplest questions
2022-12-29 15:57:38	bblinky	I just had to double check with sudo ls
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2022-12-29 15:57:49	bblinky	The file is note there already
2022-12-29 15:57:56	bblinky	*not
2022-12-29 15:58:12	bblinky	But thanks for answering mine in the end ;)
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2022-12-29 15:58:36	Namarrgon	i would also not use that filename for the config, you will accidently clobber it with localectl
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2022-12-29 15:59:07	bblinky	what would you suggest then?
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2022-12-29 15:59:30	Namarrgon	pick something else, with a higher index
2022-12-29 15:59:35	bblinky	kk
2022-12-29 15:59:54	bblinky	different name too, or just higher index?
2022-12-29 16:00:04	◣	keypusher (~keypusher@user/keypusher) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2022-12-29 16:00:08	Namarrgon	up to you
2022-12-29 16:00:24	ℹ 	keypushe- es conocido ahora como keypusher
2022-12-29 16:00:41	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg#Using_.conf_files
2022-12-29 16:00:42	phrik	Title: Xorg - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-12-29 16:02:58	bblinky	Yes, that sadly does not explain why I should/could expect clobbering if I name it with the 00 index.. But I will take your word for it
2022-12-29 16:04:38	bblinky	It does say that they are parsed on the startup of the x server, can I make it parse the file without restarting x?
2022-12-29 16:06:14	Namarrgon	no
2022-12-29 16:06:25	bblinky	Ok..
2022-12-29 16:06:28	bblinky	Sigh
2022-12-29 16:06:39	bblinky	How is Wayland doing these days?
2022-12-29 16:06:59	Namarrgon	wayland is a protocol
2022-12-29 16:07:23	Namarrgon	try it and see how it works for you
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2022-12-29 16:07:32	edgy	bblinky: I am using KDE (wayland) and it's good for me
2022-12-29 16:07:40	bblinky	I am considering it sometimes
2022-12-29 16:07:45	bblinky	edgy: nice
2022-12-29 16:07:59	bblinky	edgy: stable?
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2022-12-29 16:10:06	edgy	bblinky: yes, stable and feature complete for my use case, the only thing I missed is I couldn't cycle my keyboard layout in certain number of languages (spare layout) which used to work in xorg, but it's something trivial
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2022-12-29 16:10:51	bblinky	lol
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2022-12-29 16:12:05	bblinky	edgy: Is it less brain pain inducing to config than xorg?
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2022-12-29 16:12:26	bblinky	I have no idea why I am so allergic to xorg config, but somehow I am
2022-12-29 16:12:42	edgy	bblinky: actually i configured nothing. it just works
2022-12-29 16:13:05	bblinky	That sounds nice :)
2022-12-29 16:13:32	edgy	bblinky: I even have hybrid graphics which used be complicated in xorg but it just works, at least I believe so ;)
2022-12-29 16:13:45	bblinky	I suppose I will try it out in a VM some day soon
2022-12-29 16:13:49	bblinky	That sounds cool
2022-12-29 16:14:00	bblinky	I mean, I just have intel hd graphics
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2022-12-29 16:14:30	bblinky	But I do remember the pain of getting nvidia cards to go to sleep sometimes
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2022-12-29 16:15:47	edgy	bblinky: you have to. May I ask why you like to complicate things? ;) why is it important to use these Xkb... things and i3 instead of something easy like KDE ;)
2022-12-29 16:16:29	edgy	bblinky: I think nvidia new cards are supported but I have AMD
2022-12-29 16:16:35	bblinky	I have been considering kde, but on the i3 side.. Because I like tiling WMs
2022-12-29 16:17:27	bblinky	I just did a google search and it sees kde does tiling too
2022-12-29 16:17:36	bblinky	*seems
2022-12-29 16:18:02	◣	Zta (~Zta@user/Zta) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2022-12-29 16:18:06	jelle	it does
2022-12-29 16:18:08	edgy	bblinky: I once tried i3 after hearing all the fuss but for just one min. and I get lost and removed it ;)
2022-12-29 16:18:08	jelle	sort of
2022-12-29 16:19:01	bblinky	jelle: some dude on youtube is telling me about the bismuth plugin rn
2022-12-29 16:19:20	bblinky	edgy: I am honestly also not super impressed with i3 tbh
2022-12-29 16:19:21	jelle	no idea what that is
2022-12-29 16:19:30	bblinky	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PO5gqexi8c
2022-12-29 16:19:31	phrik	Title: EASY Window Tiling in KDE Plasma with Bismuth - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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2022-12-29 16:20:26	jelle	bblinky: kde has basic builtin tiling though
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2022-12-29 16:21:11	bblinky	Honestly I should probably just learn tmux or what ever the other one is called
2022-12-29 16:21:16	bblinky	But... 
2022-12-29 16:22:26	lolok	edgy i do not mean to say that i know it does not, i mean to say that you should check to be sure that it does it is in the files that are on your system, maybe not the answer but its a good hint if you havnt checked to be sure already
2022-12-29 16:23:58	bblinky	lol, he just wished me happy new year... Maybe it's time to switch to KDE after all :p
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2022-12-29 16:24:16	bblinky	New Year new WM
2022-12-29 16:24:18	bblinky	New me
2022-12-29 16:24:37	edgy	lolok: yes, definitely I checked this and I know the font well. Is this a bug? or am I doing something wrong
2022-12-29 16:24:50	edgy	may be if someone has fontconfig expertise, he can help
2022-12-29 16:25:16	edgy	bblinky: may I ask why even this titling windows important?
2022-12-29 16:25:34	edgy	bblinky: why is it better than the simple alt-tab
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2022-12-29 16:26:18	bblinky	I like it better, my head gets cluthered if there's floating window everywhere
2022-12-29 16:26:51	bblinky	And it's anoying having to alt tab through a bunc of sindows
2022-12-29 16:26:56	bblinky	windows
2022-12-29 16:27:02	bblinky	Hah, nice freudian
2022-12-29 16:27:04	edgy	bblinky: in KDE I can at any point of time see all the windows together by using the touchpad
2022-12-29 16:27:16	lolok	i dont use konsole or kde, but i have qt5ct and qt6ct that i used to set my fonts in all qt programs, and never needed to use fontconfig manually
2022-12-29 16:27:21	teraflops	edgy: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Font_configuration/Examples#Arabic
2022-12-29 16:27:23	phrik	Title: Font configuration/Examples - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-29 16:28:00	bblinky	edgy: I will probably start with with trying it vanilla 
2022-12-29 16:28:12	edgy	teraflops: I already configured fontconfig and tested with 
2022-12-29 16:28:14	edgy	> fc-match monospace:lang=ar
2022-12-29 16:28:15	edgy	CascadiaMonoPL.ttf: "Cascadia Mono PL" "Regular"
2022-12-29 16:28:21	bblinky	s/with with/with/
2022-12-29 16:28:31	bblinky	XD
2022-12-29 16:28:33	edgy	teraflops: but still Konsole used "Courier New" instead of Cascadia
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2022-12-29 16:29:03	edgy	bblinky: good luck
2022-12-29 16:29:12	teraflops	then that is because KDE config is messing with fontconfig
2022-12-29 16:29:28	bblinky	hahaha, thanks
2022-12-29 16:29:29	lolok	yea check qt5/6ct whichever konsole is using
2022-12-29 16:29:42	edgy	teraflops: good point, so how can I know which config? I can paste FC_DEBUG output if you can understand it
2022-12-29 16:29:56	teraflops	sorry idk kde
2022-12-29 16:30:05	bblinky	As far as I've heard KDE is not a matter of luck or skill though as it apparently --justworks
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2022-12-29 16:31:19	edgy	bblinky: KDE is nice because beside it works, you still can go deep and configure everything
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2022-12-29 16:31:53	bblinky	I think I will have a look at it tomorrow, rn I wanna cook and play lol
2022-12-29 16:31:58	edgy	bblinky: GNOME is going the other direction, removing a lot of things for simplicity. For me I love the options
2022-12-29 16:32:52	Fr0stBit	For anybody wondering, it was a very cryptic ssh client problem
2022-12-29 16:33:03	Fr0stBit	connecting with `ssh -o "IPQoS=none" ...` solved it
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2022-12-29 16:34:17	bblinky	edgy: I don't like gnome for various reasons, the main one being that it seems to be a resource hoog.. I've heard KDE should be pretty lean on the system resources for all the shine though
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2022-12-29 16:35:59	Fr0stBit	Wrong channel, sorry
2022-12-29 16:37:18	mingdao	The Installation Guide still states `pacstrap -K /mnt base linux linux-firmware`, but `man 8 pacstrap` has no K option.  And ... 
2022-12-29 16:37:21	mingdao	root@archiso ~ # pacstrap -K /mnt base base-devel linux linux-firmware mkinitcpio systemd vim
2022-12-29 16:37:24	mingdao	==> ERROR: pacstrap: invalid option -- 'K'
2022-12-29 16:37:25	edgy	bblinky: KDE is light yes but I haven't tested GNOME for this
2022-12-29 16:37:57	mingdao	https://man.archlinux.org/man/pacstrap.8, however, does have K.
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2022-12-29 16:38:32	edgy	bblinky: being written in Qt, I think you can run it in other os like Windows or Mac, this cannot be said about i3 or GNOME or the others I guess
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2022-12-29 16:40:02	bblinky	Sounds like a computing Chimera :p
2022-12-29 16:40:21	lolok	man 8 pacstrap has a -K option on my system...
2022-12-29 16:40:43	mingdao	root@archiso ~ # man 8 pacstrap|grep K
2022-12-29 16:40:44	mingdao	1 root@archiso ~ #
2022-12-29 16:41:00	edgy	mingdao: may be your iso is old?
2022-12-29 16:41:04	lolok	^
2022-12-29 16:41:16	lolok	uname -r
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2022-12-29 16:43:42	mingdao	2022.04.05
2022-12-29 16:43:50	mingdao	is the version of the ISO
2022-12-29 16:44:05	mingdao	5.17.1-arch1-1
2022-12-29 16:44:16	mingdao	Maybe I should burn a new one and start over.
2022-12-29 16:44:22	lolok	yea
2022-12-29 16:44:36	edgy	mingdao: yes, that's old
2022-12-29 16:44:43	lolok	man page for pacstrap was updated 2022-11-20
2022-12-29 16:44:45	edgy	mingdao: -K is a new option
2022-12-29 16:44:59	mingdao	I thought I'd been using K for years.
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2022-12-29 16:45:04	mingdao	old folks and memory...
2022-12-29 16:45:10	lolok	xD
2022-12-29 16:45:44	edgy	mingdao: no, the option was not in the doc and I just used it in the last installation and even wondered why is it added and why it's useful
2022-12-29 16:46:04	edgy	mingdao: I still don't know and I guess it's ok to just drop it and continue
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2022-12-29 16:46:37	lolok	maybe ok but probably best to just get a new iso
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2022-12-29 16:46:57	mingdao	lolok, my sentiments exactly; and what I'm doing
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2022-12-29 16:48:57	mingdao	aria2c {,,,,,} https://archlinux.org/releng/releases/2022.12.01/torrent/
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2022-12-29 16:52:31	mingdao	If you don't use -K, you will have some keyring issues with those which aren't updated, corrupted, or whatever.
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2022-12-29 16:53:38	mingdao	I saw this installing yesterday and not using -K, and stopped to `pacman -S archlinux-keyring`
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2022-12-29 17:18:32	cyphertite	only today, I was updating an Arch VM that I had not fired up in ~3 months.  Ofc, I immediately faced archlinux-keyring problems.  We need to solve this...I doubt the average n00b can figure it out without significant effort, before moving on to another OS ;p
2022-12-29 17:19:37	gnana	cyphertite: see the topic
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2022-12-29 17:20:07	cyphertite	gnana:  Noted MANY months ago ;p
2022-12-29 17:20:40	jujudusud	The question is : Is the average n00b connected to the IRC ?
2022-12-29 17:20:42	gnana	so its working?
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2022-12-29 17:21:20	cyphertite	jujudusud:  ofc, not
2022-12-29 17:21:39	cyphertite	gnana:  ^that is NOT a solution
2022-12-29 17:22:11	jujudusud	;-)
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2022-12-29 17:22:18	adumb	Why would a noob even use arch? there are loads of more noob friendly distributions
2022-12-29 17:22:19	gnana	i had same issue one week ago
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2022-12-29 17:22:51	adumb	Not every distribution needs to be noob friendly
2022-12-29 17:22:59	gnana	i was installing something from blackarch repo, yeah i updating the repo.
2022-12-29 17:23:11	gnana	back then.
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2022-12-29 17:31:43	gnana	~pastie
2022-12-29 17:31:46	gnana	!pastie
2022-12-29 17:31:46	phrik	gnana: Say what?
2022-12-29 17:31:52	gnana	!paste
2022-12-29 17:31:52	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-12-29 18:33:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-29 18:33:30	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1476 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1475 normals)
2022-12-29 18:33:32	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-29 18:33:47	ℹ 	Gento167 es conocido ahora como Gento166
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2022-12-29 20:42:15	ℹ 	Menzie es conocido ahora como Menzador
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2022-12-29 21:03:54	z-drugs	hello 
2022-12-29 21:04:42	z-drugs	I am seeing this repeated down my screen as I am attempting to configure a wireguard connection.
2022-12-29 21:04:43	z-drugs	Dec 30 06:00:36 localhost wg-quick[592]: Servname not supported for ai_socktype: `IP:port'. Trying again in 10.70 seconds...
2022-12-29 21:09:39	teraflops	z-drugs: is your system date/time correct ?
2022-12-29 21:10:42	z-drugs	it is, yes.
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2022-12-29 21:12:55	z-drugs	any other suggestions, teraflops?
2022-12-29 21:13:09	teraflops	nope sorry
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2022-12-29 21:20:49	ℹ 	kattjevfel es conocido ahora como katt
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2022-12-29 21:24:39	mingdao	z-drugs: you might try in #wireguard
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2022-12-29 21:25:04	z-drugs	okay.
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2022-12-30 10:06:08	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-12-30 00:58:09	djustice	so i need some help getting into archlinux forums. i don't recall my username apparently?
2022-12-30 00:58:47	djustice	this is the Drake Justice from the days of Chakra. after having children. back to Arch.
2022-12-30 01:00:13	demize	The password reset email contains your username.
2022-12-30 01:03:21	djustice	so it does, but i still cannot login. i am certain this password is verbatim.
2022-12-30 01:04:17	djustice	ah, expiration timout.
2022-12-30 01:21:03	djustice	anyways... the reason i was headed to the forums was to discuss measures of documentation stagnation. 
2022-12-30 01:21:39	djustice	i feel like there is a lot left unsaid. more words could be used to help the common man uptake the information.
2022-12-30 01:24:03	djustice	the wiki is dry. by practice of simplicity, the words in between the commands need aide. 
2022-12-30 01:33:07	Scimmia	still trying to make Arch something it's not, I see
2022-12-30 01:33:47	djustice	10-4
2022-12-30 02:09:36	pluto316	Hello Arch Linuxers. I'm trying to figure out how I can reduce my mouse speed in Wayland, so I went looking around and found https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Mouse_acceleration. This says, when using wayland, these inputs are controlled via libinput. Then, in the examples of setting mouse acceleration, it just shows some X configurations or xinput usage. Am I supposed to be using xinput with
2022-12-30 02:09:37	pluto316	Wayland?
2022-12-30 02:16:58	Namarrgon	you have no choice but to use libinput
2022-12-30 02:28:10	djustice	just trying to help new users... don't gotta be so harsh. 
2022-12-30 02:28:28	pluto316	Namarrgon: okay, thank you
2022-12-30 02:32:13	pluto316	Namarrgon: In the xinput manpage, it says that we s hould be using the Wayland compositor's device configuration. Perhaps sway has a configuration for this?
2022-12-30 02:32:45	pluto316	Ahh, I'm sorry -- another google has helped here, ignore that.
2022-12-30 02:32:50	pluto316	https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki#libinput-config-options
2022-12-30 02:37:24	Namarrgon	your wm/de might already wrap it to some capacity but they rarely cover every usecase
2022-12-30 02:48:31	gehidore	I thought the only mouse thing you could control with libinput was acceleration
2022-12-30 02:48:38	gehidore	not actual speed
2022-12-30 02:48:55	gehidore	maybe that was sway specific I don't know
2022-12-30 04:02:02	kode54	what do I do about a community package having been filed out of date for two months?
2022-12-30 04:02:14	kode54	I updated the PKGBUILD myself and installed it locally
2022-12-30 04:11:15	hungryman	ayoooserver virginia.time.system76.com nts iburst
2022-12-30 04:11:15	hungryman	server ohio.time.system76.com nts iburst
2022-12-30 04:11:30	hungryman	whoops
2022-12-30 04:15:50	xx	is there a utility similar to `ntpdig` or `ntpdate` that could retrieve (and optionally set) time over NTS (secured NTP)
2022-12-30 04:16:11	xx	on-demand, not automatically
2022-12-30 05:05:11	brucethemoose	Heyo, apologies if this has already been asked (as I am new to IRC), but whats holding back Python 3.11 in Arch? I dont see anything about it in the mailing lists, forums, 
2022-12-30 05:05:34	brucethemoose	And just one dormant PR on Gitlab. 
2022-12-30 05:07:35	brucethemoose	At first I just assumed it was testing, but its kinda odd for Arch to be behind Ubuntu and other distros without some big blocker.
2022-12-30 05:08:11	kode54	whee
2022-12-30 05:08:20	kode54	handbrake says "qsv: not available on this system"
2022-12-30 05:08:27	kode54	and I have definitely installed intel-media-sdk
2022-12-30 05:10:00	sheep	brucethemoose: I'm not sure if https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/arch-dev-public@lists.archlinux.org/message/ZK57U5LPIDDJWPXWU5DSIYSI3EWUBGPP/ is blocking it
2022-12-30 05:10:02	phrik	Title: Bootstrapping Python - Arch-dev-public - lists.archlinux.org (at lists.archlinux.org)
2022-12-30 05:34:19	brucethemoose	sheep: this is the PR I found for python-bootstrap: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/python-bootstrap/-/merge_requests/1
2022-12-30 05:34:21	phrik	Title: Update to Python 3.11 (!1) · Merge requests · Arch Linux / python-bootstrap · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2022-12-30 05:34:48	brucethemoose	Last comment is "I don't have permission to merge 🙃"
2022-12-30 05:35:04	brucethemoose	🙃
2022-12-30 05:36:28	pluto316	Honestly, I think in terms of Python, things are a bit harder for Arch to deal with because they don't have different versions of the package, as where a distribution like Ubuntu offers out many versions, including sub versions of the language. So, if they have to use a 3.8 module to support some software, they can just depend on python 3.8, for example.
2022-12-30 05:36:40	pluto316	So, they're probably trying to work out how to sort out versioning issues with other packages.
2022-12-30 05:37:01	pluto316	Takes a bit more time to do that, than it does to just depend on other versions existing in the system.
2022-12-30 05:37:41	pluto316	But, when there aren't breakages occurring, Arch's strategy is without a doubt, quicker.
2022-12-30 05:38:42	Scimmia	what it comes down to, is that it's a massive rebuild that takes a lot of coordination, and just hasn't gotten to the top of the list yet
2022-12-30 05:40:06	pluto316	xx: There's ntpsec[-git] in the AUR; it's not in the official repositories.
2022-12-30 05:40:13	pluto316	yet, at least
2022-12-30 05:40:42	pluto316	But, I think you can just define your ntp servers for nts in the configuration, for the extra/ntp package.
2022-12-30 05:40:47	brucethemoose	Ah yeah I didnt think of of that way, that makes sense.
2022-12-30 05:42:15	brucethemoose	That being said I think some distros like Clear are using global Python 3.11 now, but they may have less stuff to build.
2022-12-30 05:42:42	xx	pluto316: thanks
2022-12-30 06:08:14	txtsd	Is it possible to remove commits that don't exist in a repo anymore because they were force pushed out? They can still be accessed via commit ID and I want those to be gone.
2022-12-30 06:08:57	pluto316	locally?
2022-12-30 06:09:43	pluto316	If they don't exist anymore on remote, then you can rebase your local branch and drop commits that don't exist anymore; I would just reset toward the remote.
2022-12-30 06:10:03	pluto316	Rebasing will give you new commit hashes as opposed to the hashes that exist on remote.
2022-12-30 06:10:15	pluto316	Something like `git reset --hard remote/branch`
2022-12-30 06:10:59	pluto316	Just keep in mind, you want to save your work somewhere before you do that if you have WIP on a local branch you're running that on, otherwise you'll lose your changes.
2022-12-30 06:11:27	pluto316	Probably a better question for #git, though.
2022-12-30 06:12:22	aadhi	If they do exist on remote I'm pretty sure there's a way to mask those branches in the event that you accidentally commit secrets
2022-12-30 06:13:28	aadhi	maybe something in this link helps
2022-12-30 06:13:30	aadhi	https://sparkbox.com/foundry/remove_file_from_git_history_with_git_filter-branch
2022-12-30 06:17:30	txtsd	Thanks. I was just told elsewhere that code forges like GH intentionally keep those commits around, and it isn't possible to remove them.
2022-12-30 06:30:34	pluto316	txtsd: follow what aadhi is saying them. Yes, they can keep commits around, but you are able to control which branches can be seen.
2022-12-30 06:30:42	pluto316	and in turn, commits
2022-12-30 06:31:37	txtsd	Got it. It wasn't about secrets in the commits. It's just a nitpick.
2022-12-30 06:31:52	pluto316	ah okay, nice.
2022-12-30 08:19:31	powftw	installed vscode via pacman. but cannot install python extension as it says this error -> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Nt51eB8R/image.png
2022-12-30 08:20:25	powftw	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Bkdj10RA/debug-log.png
2022-12-30 08:20:39	powftw	this is the debug log after running the command it said to run
2022-12-30 08:22:20	pwnr007	Usually how long does it take for a sanitize command to complete? I issued a block Erase command for 512GB Intel SSD. Ive read its around 2 hours but 4 hours gone, still no progress.
2022-12-30 08:26:29	powftw	found this-> https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-python/issues/20247
2022-12-30 08:26:32	powftw	fixed!!
2022-12-30 08:26:34	powftw	thanks
2022-12-30 09:08:23	luigibu	happy last working day of the year people!
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2022-12-30 10:41:10	kidnextdoor	good morning lads
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2022-12-30 13:30:05	manuels	mpan can you please point out the question I missed to answer? 
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2022-12-30 13:33:24	mpan	manuels: not here.
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2022-12-30 13:53:46	MacGyver	manuels: The problem, re inclusion in official repos, isn't one of opinion, but of whether Arch is *allowed* to.
2022-12-30 13:54:11	MacGyver	manuels: The google chrome license in a strict reading precludes it, iirc.
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2022-12-30 13:54:41	MacGyver	manuels: And if your license doesn't allow redistribution of "modified versions", then if Arch needs to patch even one thing, it also precludes it.
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2022-12-30 13:55:38	MacGyver	manuels: So yes, it might then be relegated to AUR, if it doesn't preclude distributing *patches* and having people build it themselves.
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2022-12-30 13:56:49	mpan	MacGyver: I suppose the question was more about whether Arch has some internal opposition against proprietary software. Some distros do, so the question makes sense.
2022-12-30 13:56:59	MacGyver	I know what the question was.
2022-12-30 13:57:04	MacGyver	And that has been answered.
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2022-12-30 13:57:14	MacGyver	But this is a separate issue manuels may not yet have considered.
2022-12-30 13:57:22	mpan	Oh, ok.
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2022-12-30 13:58:42	MacGyver	I mean "we ship discord" is a pretty clear answer to "Does it *have* to be open source" :P
2022-12-30 13:59:07	MacGyver	No, but the license *does* need to *allow* Arch to ship it.
2022-12-30 13:59:25	MacGyver	And a "source-available-but-no-distributing-modified-versions" sounds like it might fall afoul of that.
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2022-12-30 14:00:18	mpan	Yes, I know what you mean. I considered answering the Google Chrome case, but didn’t want to go through verifying all the licensing details. I just misunderstood your answer as being directly to the original question.
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2022-12-30 14:00:29	mpan	Everything is fine.
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2022-12-30 14:01:06	MacGyver	Parabola will of course nuke it.
2022-12-30 14:01:12	MacGyver	But we don't care :P
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2022-12-30 14:21:59	manuels	Sure I see the legal limitations. The license is like BSD without modifications and explict exceptions for official packagers who get the permissoin to do so. 
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2022-12-30 14:26:24	manuels	What I want to achieve is to have people not be able to ship custom packages via eg ppa. Which then are outdated or buggy or what not and people blow up the upstream issue tracker. Had this in the past. Some popular linux online magazine hosted a ppa. Ppl used it but the hoster did not update. This is annoying because there are official
2022-12-30 14:26:24	manuels	repositories online where I can distribute hotfixes over night, instead of anserwing 1000 times the same *support*question on the issue tracker.
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2022-12-30 14:28:49	manuels	I short: I dont want to give up control over distribution.
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2022-12-30 15:24:24	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-30 15:24:24	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1453 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1452 normals)
2022-12-30 14:29:30	Scimmia	then likely nobody will bother with it
2022-12-30 14:29:40	Scimmia	why would any maintainer want to work with that?
2022-12-30 14:29:57	Scimmia	the software would have to be in high demand
2022-12-30 14:30:01	jelle	manuels: use flatpaks then
2022-12-30 14:30:41	manuels	As such I dont want you do so. Unless you package for arch, debian, buntu, fedora etc. If you do so its basically BSD-3-Clasue for you
2022-12-30 14:33:36	Scimmia	so only select people that you deem worth may package it. Yeah, no
2022-12-30 14:34:04	Scimmia	unless it's something in high demand, nobody want to work with a hostile upstream
2022-12-30 14:34:07	ptrc	if you take bsd-3-clause and add random stuff onto it is not "basically bsd-3-clause"
2022-12-30 14:34:30	ptrc	it is just yet another proprietary licence
2022-12-30 14:34:43	manuels	jelle indeed I thought about that. But I never worked with them. It has been long ago I investigated the "bundle" approaches. until that point I saw not some kind of a standard and did not know which way to go since there was flatpak, snaps, appimages  which seemed fedora and ubunutu specific and the latter somewhat halfbaked to me.
2022-12-30 14:34:50	manuels	but well thats like 5 y ago
2022-12-30 14:34:53	f_[xmpp]	a
2022-12-30 14:35:14	jelle	manuels: flatpak is the standard and it does not bundle exactly
2022-12-30 14:36:11	manuels	ptrc it is BSD-ish, and under some circumstances BSD
2022-12-30 14:36:25	manuels	scimmina why do you consider this hostile?
2022-12-30 14:36:54	manuels	I just want to be able to manage the workload. 
2022-12-30 14:37:34	manuels	ptrc well but yes sure if it is not FOSS then it is proprietory
2022-12-30 14:37:43	jelle	manuels: why do you want to package for all distributions?
2022-12-30 14:37:59	jelle	I mean you can, but it does not make much sense
2022-12-30 14:38:05	manuels	ptrc its just like a bit more open. not closed source
2022-12-30 14:38:47	manuels	jelle because users demand it. i think I dont get the question?
2022-12-30 14:38:55	jelle	manuels: users demand it?
2022-12-30 14:39:33	manuels	sure. I mean they dont want to compile. just update and have new verions right?
2022-12-30 14:39:33	jelle	what is ptrc even? apart from a rowing club :p
2022-12-30 14:40:03	jelle	manuels: so you are asking why flatpaks exists ok :)
2022-12-30 14:40:29	manuels	wait what? :D
2022-12-30 14:42:30	manuels	flatpak looks nice. I should take a look at it
2022-12-30 14:43:21	jelle	manuels: I was wondering what this software "ptrc" is, I can't find it
2022-12-30 14:43:31	manuels	ptrc is a username here
2022-12-30 14:43:35	ptrc	yes hi
2022-12-30 14:43:53	jelle	ah, you use a strange irc client :)
2022-12-30 14:44:02	manuels	me?
2022-12-30 14:44:26	manuels	using thelounge. quite comfortable
2022-12-30 14:44:33	ptrc	i guess they mean that your client doesn't add ": " after a username when replying
2022-12-30 14:46:26	manuels	jelle its about albert launcher
2022-12-30 14:47:25	manuels	maybe not that kind of a huge project, enough to DOS me if the crowds get in rage
2022-12-30 14:48:03	jelle	O_o
2022-12-30 14:49:00	manuels	o_O? :D
2022-12-30 15:03:52	z-drugs_	In the Unix Haters Handbook there's this quote: "Two of the most famous products of Berkeley are LSD and Unix. I don’t think that this is a coincidence."
2022-12-30 15:07:29	z-drugs_	hi using the hardened kernel my thumbnails do not display, although they do work with any other kernel.
2022-12-30 15:07:40	z-drugs_	I am using, this, I believe...
2022-12-30 15:08:13	z-drugs_	gst-libav
2022-12-30 15:20:41	gulzar	Hi. from past few weeks. yt-dlp is giving these errrors: ;[download] Got error: <urlopen error _ssl.c:980: The handshake operation timed out>. Retrying (3/10)...     Anyone else facing this?
2022-12-30 15:21:56	mpan	gulzar: on what target?
2022-12-30 15:22:06	mpan	gulzar: some services are simply misbehaving.
2022-12-30 15:23:22	gulzar	on youtube
2022-12-30 15:23:33	mpan	YouTube is known for misbehaving.
2022-12-30 15:24:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-12-30 15:24:31	gulzar	mpan: any alternative? or any other way. jdowloader is also failing
2022-12-30 15:25:04	gulzar	even newpipe is unable to play videos fro past few weeks
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2022-12-30 15:25:12	gulzar	seems yt did some change
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2022-12-30 15:26:21	mpan	gulzar: no, it’s on YouTube’s side.
2022-12-30 15:26:29	mpan	You can’t fix YouTube.
2022-12-30 15:26:45	mpan	It’s not a problem with yt-dlp. It’s with YouTube.
2022-12-30 15:26:50	z-drugs	this is a wallpaper which I created.
2022-12-30 15:26:51	z-drugs	https://i.ibb.co/sbzTnfB/image.png
2022-12-30 15:27:04	z-drugs	I quite like it...
2022-12-30 15:27:14	z-drugs	well I really only just combined two images...
2022-12-30 15:27:16	gulzar	mpan:  ok thank you
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2022-12-30 15:32:47	Scimmia	manuels: BTW, when I mentioned a hostile upstream, I was only going by what you had said here. Now that I've read a little more, holy shit, don't get anywhere near this software
2022-12-30 15:33:17	Scimmia	relicening things you don't have the license for? Deleting the issue about it?
2022-12-30 15:33:36	Scimmia	It was kicked out of Community for a very good reason
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2022-12-30 15:38:30	mpan	Fortunately preserved <https://web.archive.org/web/20210204124335/https://github.com/albertlauncher/albert/issues/765>.
2022-12-30 15:38:33	phrik	Title: Please specify license · Issue #765 · albertlauncher/albert · GitHub (at web.archive.org)
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2022-12-30 15:54:26	kidnextdoor	serisouly guys i need an iso before new year
2022-12-30 15:54:47	Ennea	kidnextdoor, build it yourself, then
2022-12-30 15:54:48	Scimmia	doesn't work that way
2022-12-30 15:54:48	kidnextdoor	can we rush this one please? i need to start the year ready
2022-12-30 15:55:00	Ennea	mpan, yikes
2022-12-30 15:55:04	mpan	Scimmia: if actions leading to disappearance from archives would occur, <https://0x0.st/oRqe.txt> is the sig of my local copy. Just in case Arch would need the content for any kind of disputes.
2022-12-30 15:55:30	kidnextdoor	seriously dudes, pacman-key is messed up
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2022-12-30 15:55:41	Ennea	mpan, i don't think you can make internet archive copies disappear
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2022-12-30 15:55:42	kidnextdoor	sometimes --init works
2022-12-30 15:55:44	kidnextdoor	other dont
2022-12-30 15:55:57	kidnextdoor	sometimes i can install pacman -Syu archlinux-keyring other i cant
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2022-12-30 15:56:26	grawity	Ennea: not of a site like github, though blocking IA via /robots.txt will (used to) make them hide existing snapshots which is annoying
2022-12-30 15:56:40	mpan	Ennea: GDPR if they are EU resident, plus what grawity said.
2022-12-30 15:56:41	grawity	kidnextdoor: problem between keyboard and chair
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2022-12-30 15:57:01	kidnextdoor	yeah yeah
2022-12-30 15:57:17	kidnextdoor	so tell me, what procedure should i have before making a new installation
2022-12-30 15:57:38	kidnextdoor	you wont install it if you dont install ar5chlinux-keyring
2022-12-30 15:57:50	kidnextdoor	to install that i need to run pacman-key --init
2022-12-30 15:57:52	Ennea	grawity, oh, really? TIL, thanks
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2022-12-30 15:58:15	kidnextdoor	im not sure how to install with outdated isos
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2022-12-30 15:58:56	kidnextdoor	and somehow my wireless network adapeter of my laptop just dissapeared
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2022-12-30 15:59:35	kidnextdoor	thats why i was not able to update with pacman
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2022-12-30 16:03:06	kidnextdoor	how much you guys want? do i have to paay to use arch without these problems?
2022-12-30 16:03:21	coruja	oO
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2022-12-30 16:04:22	nl6720	for the pacman-key issues, simply wait until pacman-init.service exits and then pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring
2022-12-30 16:05:26	kidnextdoor	hmm, i will try then giving it time to finish the job
2022-12-30 16:05:32	mpan	Ennea: oh, LOL. I sent you an answer in #aot, but you already left. :D
2022-12-30 16:05:36	Ennea	sorry~
2022-12-30 16:05:49	Ennea	i tend to keep my channel list clean, and figured i don't really need to be in there
2022-12-30 16:07:16	mpan	np, np; may I repeat in PM?
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2022-12-30 16:08:25	Ennea	sure
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2022-12-30 16:08:36	chronos3	Pulsemixer cannot connect to pulseaudio. How do I fix this? Im using pipewire and pipewire-pulse
2022-12-30 16:11:42	grawity	is `pactl info` able to connect to it?
2022-12-30 16:12:38	chronos3	grawity, no its not. It says connection refused
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2022-12-30 16:13:59	grawity	chronos3: does `systemctl --user status pipewire-pulse.{socket,service}` report them as active?
2022-12-30 16:14:33	chronos3	grawity, yep its running and enables
2022-12-30 16:14:35	chronos3	enabled
2022-12-30 16:14:57	grawity	chronos3: what path do you get out of `strace -e connect pactl info`?
2022-12-30 16:15:21	grawity	and is it the same path as shown under "Listen:" for the .socket
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2022-12-30 16:16:58	chronos3	grawity, yes its the same path as LIsten: 
2022-12-30 16:17:00	chronos3	connect(8, {sa_family=AF_UNIX, sun_path="/run/user/1000/pulse/native"}, 110) = 0
2022-12-30 16:17:01	chronos3	Connection failure: Connection refused
2022-12-30 16:17:09	chronos3	this is what i get when i run strace
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2022-12-30 16:17:48	grawity	my current guess is that you tried running pipewire-pulse directly (instead of via systemd) and it overrode the socket managed by systemd
2022-12-30 16:17:55	grawity	restart the two systemd --user units mentioned previously
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2022-12-30 16:20:41	chronos3	grawity, yep it does work now, except that when pulsemixer runs, it shows Dummy Output instead of the name of my soundcard\
2022-12-30 16:21:15	grawity	what does `fuser -v /dev/snd/*` report?
2022-12-30 16:21:29	grawity	you probably somehow have pipewire alongside actual pulseaudio
2022-12-30 16:21:57	chronos3	qconnect(8, {sa_family=AF_UNIX, sun_path="/run/user/1000/pulse/native"}, 110) = 0
2022-12-30 16:21:58	chronos3	Connection failure: Connection refused
2022-12-30 16:22:00	chronos3	sorry
2022-12-30 16:22:33	chronos3	!paste
2022-12-30 16:22:33	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2022-12-30 16:22:51	chronos3	https://paste.rs/0qj
2022-12-30 16:23:00	chronos3	grawity, this is what it prints out
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2022-12-30 16:23:36	grawity	I'd say restart pipewire.service, but just in case, also check whether `getfacl -t /dev/snd/*` has an entry for your name in it
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2022-12-30 16:25:15	chronos3	https://paste.rs/BlN
2022-12-30 16:25:42	grawity	*are* there any devices in /dev/snd?
2022-12-30 16:25:47	grawity	besides seq and timer
2022-12-30 16:25:48	chronos3	i restarted pipewire, and now pulseaudio does not show anything at all. It just prints 'no devices' on the TUI
2022-12-30 16:26:03	grawity	is there a hw* or pcm* or control* something in there?
2022-12-30 16:26:11	chronos3	grawity, nope there are no other devices
2022-12-30 16:26:17	grawity	!kernelversion
2022-12-30 16:26:18	phrik	grawity: Eh?
2022-12-30 16:26:42	grawity	means it's telling the truth when it says "no devices"
2022-12-30 16:26:46	chronos3	its 6.1.1
2022-12-30 16:26:47	grawity	the kernel hasn't detected any
2022-12-30 16:27:01	grawity	does `uname -r` say it's 6.1.1 also?
2022-12-30 16:27:10	chronos3	yep
2022-12-30 16:27:12	chronos3	i did uname -a
2022-12-30 16:27:17	Bayes	makepkg leaves some eggs when called like this: makepkg --clean --cleanbuild --install --log --syncdeps --rmdeps
2022-12-30 16:27:25	chronos3	6.1.1-arch1-1
2022-12-30 16:27:29	grawity	do you have 6.1.1 in /lib/modules as well?
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2022-12-30 16:27:42	chronos3	yup I do
2022-12-30 16:27:46	Bayes	in this case it leaves a pkg.tar.xz and a .deb file used for building
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2022-12-30 16:28:09	grawity	I mean its job is to build a pkg.tar.xz, why wouldn't it leave that?
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2022-12-30 16:28:26	grawity	chronos3: did audio work at all during this boot?
2022-12-30 16:28:30	Scimmia	it shouldn't delete the source, either
2022-12-30 16:28:37	chronos3	grawity, nope
2022-12-30 16:28:40	chronos3	this is a new install
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2022-12-30 16:29:03	grawity	chronos3: as a wild ass guess, install linux-firmware *and* sof-firmware, then reboot and see if it works
2022-12-30 16:29:14	chronos3	ok give me a minute
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2022-12-30 16:29:27	Bayes	I was hoping to get the build folder as clean as possible, I don't need the pkg or the deb files after the package is installed
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2022-12-30 16:32:19	chronos3	grawity, its works now. Thank you so much for your help
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2022-12-30 16:34:04	grawity	Bayes: do a `git clean -fdx` after
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2022-12-30 16:34:46	Bayes	grawity, I was thinking maybe to set up makepkg.conf to build in /tmp
2022-12-30 16:35:17	grawity	makepkg builds in the current directory, if you want it to be /tmp then clone the AUR repo in /tmp from the beginning
2022-12-30 16:35:40	Bayes	I don't know about that, I like to keep the barebone repo
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2022-12-30 16:36:08	Bayes	I can set up PKGDEST and SRCDEST to /tmp in /etc/makepkg.conf or locally
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2022-12-30 16:36:50	Bayes	I mean git clean -fdx does it but it feels more like a git trick than a makepkg thing
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2022-12-30 18:20:41	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-30 18:20:41	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1465 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1464 normals)
2022-12-30 18:19:58	djustice	so.. to make bluegriffon happen, we need debtap? and there's no aur for this?
2022-12-30 18:20:25	Namarrgon	what are you talking about?
2022-12-30 18:20:41	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-12-30 18:20:45	Scimmia	you never need debtap
2022-12-30 18:21:14	another|	you mean this one? https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/debtap
2022-12-30 18:21:16	djustice	so which wywiwyg should i be using?
2022-12-30 18:21:19	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - debtap (at aur.archlinux.org)
2022-12-30 18:21:27	djustice	wysiwyg*
2022-12-30 18:21:31	djustice	html editors
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2022-12-30 18:22:54	djustice	i'll contact the bluegriffon devs to ask for a pkgbuild.
2022-12-30 18:23:49	Namarrgon	write it yourself
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2022-12-30 18:24:33	rakor1	nick rakor
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2022-12-30 18:26:00	djustice	Namarrgon: done and done, i have it running ofc. i just don't have time to maintain. i have children these days.
2022-12-30 18:26:30	Namarrgon	uh huh
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2022-12-30 18:28:42	NetSysFire	if you dont do it yourself, no one will
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2022-12-30 18:30:49	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1469 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1468 normals)
2022-12-30 18:30:34	djustice	i mailed the devs. i can possibly start maintaining packages. i'm just worried between work and family i won't have time to keep the up properly.
2022-12-30 18:30:45	djustice	maybe a script or so to help.
2022-12-30 18:30:49	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-12-30 18:31:20	Namarrgon	since nobody has uploaded it to the AUR yet the demand is probably rather low
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2022-12-30 18:31:31	djustice	i noticed. 
2022-12-30 18:31:53	djustice	i host djustice.org, i needed a faster way to edit than html.
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2022-12-30 18:33:02	djustice	i've been dealing with unity/unreal a lot lately. 
2022-12-30 18:33:10	docdrow	Any of you using linux software switch (bridge device) as vlan (SVI's) to which you can glue tap devices for QEMU?  I'm having a weird problem where QEMU guests using virtio-net-pci have terrible performance... I've narrowed it down to the fact that my host is using vlans on it's 10-gig NIC
2022-12-30 18:33:12	djustice	which also brings me to the tmpfs issue.
2022-12-30 18:33:32	djustice	ram runs out and we must all remount /tmp to install such huge apps.
2022-12-30 18:33:50	Namarrgon	don't build in /tmp
2022-12-30 18:34:29	docdrow	and it seems to be a layer-3 only issue -- meaning -- it seems to drop packets and stuff inside netfilter for packets routed from a tap device attached to a vlan.  Problem goes away when I use a NIC that isn't using tagged packets. Interestingly, containers and the host itself have zero network problems at all
2022-12-30 18:34:36	djustice	good solution, there's no documentation about it tho. i dare say anyone would want me editing the wiki.
2022-12-30 18:35:03	Namarrgon	are you using an aur-helper?
2022-12-30 18:35:21	djustice	trizen usually, yes.
2022-12-30 18:35:29	Namarrgon	does it default to /tmp?
2022-12-30 18:35:34	djustice	it does.
2022-12-30 18:35:48	djustice	i realize it can be changed.
2022-12-30 18:35:49	Namarrgon	that's not the wiki's fault then
2022-12-30 18:36:12	djustice	no, simple ignorance of the users.
2022-12-30 18:37:25	djustice	i've had to help 4 others over the tmpfs issue so far.
2022-12-30 18:37:30	z-drugs	I wish to configure two swap files is it the same process?
2022-12-30 18:37:42	Namarrgon	yes
2022-12-30 18:38:23	djustice	mkfs swap , add to fstab
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2022-12-30 18:59:54	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2022-12-30 18:59:54	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1471 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1470 normals)
2022-12-30 18:59:54	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-30 19:00:23	pulec	I updated these 8 packages: Packages (8) btrfs-progs-6.1-2  file-5.44-1  libmfx-22.6.4-1  neovim-0.8.2-1  python-importlib_resources-5.10.2-1 python-pydantic-1.10.4-1  python-rich-13.0.0-1  sdl2_mixer-2.6.2-2
2022-12-30 19:00:33	pulec	what caused the mkinitcpio to re-run?
2022-12-30 19:01:06	Namarrgon	btrfs-progs most likely
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2022-12-30 19:02:37	djustice	i've been in contact with anthraxx/levante about a new gui installer i had sitting around. maybe not arch related but could affect the ecosystem a bit.
2022-12-30 19:03:30	Namarrgon	you just said you don't have time to maintain a PKGBUILD
2022-12-30 19:03:42	teraflops	ecowat?
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2022-12-30 19:05:14	djustice	correct. i said i had it sitting around.
2022-12-30 19:06:15	djustice	i can only code/contribute when time is available.
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2022-12-30 19:07:57	djustice	the children are at their grandparents and my wife has locked the keys in the car. is the only way i am able to communicate now. 
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2022-12-30 19:10:13	Namarrgon	you suggested the inclusion of a new gui-installer that doesn't have a dev to anthraxx?
2022-12-30 19:10:58	mpan	If I understand well, the dev is available if their wife locks keys in the car. So we just need to call the wife whether updates are needed. ;)
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2022-12-30 19:12:32	djustice	ring ring
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2022-12-30 19:15:05	teraflops	I wouldnt trust an installer from a guy that does not even know the aur helper is using can change the build dir to avoid my-helper-ate-my-ram
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2022-12-30 19:17:40	djustice	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tRLErF7OBQ&t=37s && https://vimeo.com/user100022174 basically it reduces the system to monochrome colors, by way of gui color selection. written in qt6. these are ancient videos however.
2022-12-30 19:17:41	phrik	Title: Chakra Development System #6 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
2022-12-30 19:17:49	djustice	teraflops: me either honestly. do not use.
2022-12-30 19:18:21	djustice	the preselected software page is the real catch. ;)
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2022-12-30 19:29:25	ℹ 	Gento167 es conocido ahora como Gento166
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2022-12-30 19:32:26	z-drugs	sorry my computer crashed.
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2022-12-30 19:32:53	z-drugs	is installing two swap files no different in the procedure to a single one?
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2022-12-30 19:33:17	z-drugs	oh it IS in the logs above.
2022-12-30 19:33:20	z-drugs	thanks Namarrgon.
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2022-12-30 19:40:34	takewara	hey there. I am connecting using iwctl and am sitting right next my wifi router. For some reason, I am being constantly disconnected. Any ideas how to troubleshoot this?
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2022-12-30 19:59:14	kidnextdoor	bah, i cant install arch.
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2022-12-30 19:59:47	gehidore	that sucks
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2022-12-30 19:59:57	gehidore	phrik give kidnextdoor welcome
2022-12-30 19:59:58	phrik	kidnextdoor: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2022-12-30 20:00:15	kidnextdoor	just booted arch iso
2022-12-30 20:00:41	kidnextdoor	neither pacman-key --init or pacman Sy archlinux-keyring is working
2022-12-30 20:01:32	gehidore	explain how they're not working
2022-12-30 20:01:37	Namarrgon	after boot give it five minutes of time to collect itself
2022-12-30 20:01:41	gehidore	is your clock correct?
2022-12-30 20:01:49	kidnextdoor	i jsut dont know how do you expect me to install arch in my 4000$ pc im buying enxt year with these problems, seriously how?
2022-12-30 20:02:18	gehidore	kidnextdoor I don't, I expect you to install Mint or Windows
2022-12-30 20:02:18	kidnextdoor	hmm maybe clock yes, let me see
2022-12-30 20:02:46	kidnextdoor	nah, never again im going to use an operating system that controls stuff for me because its easier
2022-12-30 20:02:56	◣	Steffo (~stefforyg@2001:470:69fc:105::2:8327) ha abandonado #archlinux
2022-12-30 20:03:02	kidnextdoor	just out off topic here but how can i link a nickname to chat in ehxchat nayone knows?
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2022-12-31 09:46:48	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2022-12-30 23:32:16	etnmich	whta do you have as keyserver in /etc/pacman.d/gnupg/gpg.conf
2022-12-30 23:32:56	MrElendig	just pacman-key --edit-key <theid> and change the trust
2022-12-30 23:33:33	etnmich	I don't think it's a good idea to change every single key manually trusted
2022-12-30 23:33:40	MrElendig	if paranoid; confirm the key with jelle and archlinux.org/developers
2022-12-30 23:33:51	MrElendig	is every key undef?
2022-12-30 23:34:09	MrElendig	if so, mv the keyring and re-init it
2022-12-30 23:35:26	etnmich	MrElendig: pleare tell me your keyserver, I'll try to --init it afterwerds
2022-12-30 23:35:33	etnmich	*please
2022-12-30 23:37:17	etnmich	last time I had issues like this was a pc that was cold for two years, I dunno why something I've been updating monthly has issues
2022-12-30 23:37:18	z-drugs	oh thanks, MrElendig. for unbanning me.
2022-12-30 23:39:04	coruja	.oO ( si tacuisses, philosophus manisses )
2022-12-30 23:40:11	rcf	etnmich: it's pgp, you can't really get any other outcome. 
2022-12-30 23:44:39	etnmich	haa. I could manually trust every single key, but that seems like a major pain in the ass
2022-12-30 23:50:44	rcf	etnmich: assuming you have any vaguely recent keyring package installed: rm -rf /etc/pacman.d/gnupg; pacman-key --init; pacman-key --populate; pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring 
2022-12-30 23:57:08	etnmich	thank you rcf, that did the trick. I didn't know what I was supposed to remove, so I was just running --init and --populate without making any progress :p
2022-12-30 23:57:40	etnmich	wahtever already was there hindered all progress
2022-12-31 00:04:27	tusko	etnmich, just trust everyone until they give you a reason not to
2022-12-31 00:07:31	etnmich	tusko: trusting others is such a pain, so I'm glad I don't have to it anymore ;3
2022-12-31 00:23:42	rcf	!fixkeyring2
2022-12-31 00:23:42	phrik	If your keyring issue hasn't been fixed yet, try: rm -rf /etc/pacman.d/gnupg && pacman-key --init && pacman-key --populate && pacman-key --refresh-keys
2022-12-31 00:24:21	machinehum	#stm32
2022-12-31 00:24:25	machinehum	whoops
2022-12-31 00:25:46	machinehum	Does anyone have a application that's good for screen recording. I've tried peek, it doesn't work because I want to record all screens and it does that strange thing that makes you set the size. Kazam also does not work the webm files are way too jumpy and the avi/raw files are 12GB for 30 seconds of video
2022-12-31 00:29:57	MrElendig	obs
2022-12-31 00:30:09	MrElendig	ctrl-alt-r in gnome
2022-12-31 00:30:57	MrElendig	kde screenshot tool is also getting video support
2022-12-31 00:34:02	randomxusr	what file/tool should I be using to check failed logins? the "last" command doesn't seem to include auditing of success/failure from what I can tell
2022-12-31 00:35:08	MrElendig	journalctl is one way
2022-12-31 00:35:48	MrElendig	other than that, lastb is one way
2022-12-31 00:35:53	randomxusr	MrElendig, good point. Does a default file exist in /var/log?
2022-12-31 00:36:04	MrElendig	but really, journalctl
2022-12-31 00:36:18	MrElendig	(since it catches more sources)
2022-12-31 00:37:42	randomxusr	got it. was taking some training and noticed there's no /var/log/auth.log but have wtmp and btmp
2022-12-31 00:38:14	MrElendig	auth.log -> journald
2022-12-31 00:38:27	MrElendig	we don't duplicate it unlike some distroes
2022-12-31 00:39:48	randomxusr	ah got it. thanks
2022-12-31 00:48:02	raccct	I installed `pacman -Syu python python-pip`, so far fine. but now I can't install anything using `pip install` it all fails with: 'No such file or directory'))': /simple/ipython/ - about to loose patience with arch... why? any help?
2022-12-31 00:48:34	Namarrgon	are you running that in some venv?
2022-12-31 00:48:47	raccct	no just plain shell
2022-12-31 00:49:08	Namarrgon	"type -a pip"
2022-12-31 00:49:35	raccct	pip is /usr/bin/pip
2022-12-31 00:50:33	Namarrgon	post the full output of whatever fails with "no such file or directory"
2022-12-31 00:51:47	raccct	https://pastebin.com/Uz144G9s
2022-12-31 00:51:48	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/oRc5.txt
2022-12-31 00:51:48	phrik	Title: $ pip install ipythonDefaulting to user installation because normal site-packa - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2022-12-31 00:53:37	Namarrgon	are you behind some firewall?
2022-12-31 00:54:43	Namarrgon	or installing through some other unconventional network setup?
2022-12-31 00:55:19	raccct	not really. arch system update went just fine a few hours earlier
2022-12-31 00:55:34	Namarrgon	how are you connected to the internet?
2022-12-31 00:56:04	raccct	wifi - router - isp
2022-12-31 00:56:14	Namarrgon	no vpn or anything?
2022-12-31 00:56:17	raccct	nope
2022-12-31 00:57:13	raccct	so 'no such file or directory' is not a local issue?
2022-12-31 00:57:28	Namarrgon	it's a network problem
2022-12-31 00:57:39	Namarrgon	at least for pip, maybe other programs
2022-12-31 00:58:32	raccct	just checked. uplink seems fine. also installing pip was fine, just installing _via_ pip fails
2022-12-31 00:59:17	raccct	i don't need sudo for pip right? I mean I did --user
2022-12-31 01:00:00	Namarrgon	you didn't use --user in what you pasted but yes, don't run pip with sudo
2022-12-31 01:00:05	MrElendig	sudo pip will make a mess of your system, --user is slightly better, but venv is prefered
2022-12-31 01:00:26	MrElendig	if you need the software system wide, use makepkg/pacman
2022-12-31 01:00:29	raccct	I did both. with and without --user. same issue
2022-12-31 01:01:02	hreb	Oh huh. No wonder it was a hellscape with pacman, aur, pip2/pip3, ctan, cpan, gem, and whatever else package managers I had lol
2022-12-31 01:01:46	Namarrgon	the pypi seems to work fine from my side, it's probably something on your box
2022-12-31 01:01:47	MrElendig	there is an enhanced cpan which can spit out arch packages
2022-12-31 01:02:38	MrElendig	check for a custom pip config
2022-12-31 01:02:42	Namarrgon	raccct: does it work with the http index?
2022-12-31 01:03:32	raccct	Namarrgon: how do I check that?
2022-12-31 01:05:14	raccct	MrElendig: thanks for also jumping in. I'm not familiar with makepkg/pacman. but I take it that a `pip install --user` technically should still work on arch then
2022-12-31 01:05:15	Namarrgon	raccct: pip install -i https://pypi.org/simple ipython
2022-12-31 01:05:16	phrik	Title: Simple index (at pypi.org)
2022-12-31 01:05:25	Namarrgon	just without the s
2022-12-31 01:07:29	raccct	same result when running `pip install -i https://pypi.org/simple ipython`
2022-12-31 01:07:31	phrik	Title: Simple index (at pypi.org)
2022-12-31 01:07:39	raccct	you mean running http instead of https or which s?
2022-12-31 01:07:52	Namarrgon	yes, the s in https
2022-12-31 01:08:43	raccct	Then it says: WARNING: The repository located at pypi.org is not a trusted or secure host and is being ignored.
2022-12-31 01:10:15	raccct	if I add:  --trusted-host pypi.org ipython    I get the same issue as before with the /simple/ipython not found
2022-12-31 01:10:17	Namarrgon	ls -l $HOME/.local/lib/python3.10/site-packages
2022-12-31 01:11:08	raccct	ls: cannot access '/home/user/.local/lib/python3.10/site-packages': No such file or directory
2022-12-31 01:11:50	Namarrgon	you don't have any pypi packages installed at all yet?
2022-12-31 01:12:11	raccct	not yet. I really just installed pip and tried to go from there
2022-12-31 01:12:34	Namarrgon	your user account is named 'user'?
2022-12-31 01:12:41	raccct	redacted
2022-12-31 01:12:47	Namarrgon	ah, i see
2022-12-31 01:13:08	Namarrgon	was there any other output you redacted?
2022-12-31 01:13:51	raccct	nope. just left away user and machine name
2022-12-31 01:19:04	raccct	If I hit https://pypi.org in browser it works fine. If I hit https://pypi.org/simple in browser it half loads half stalls....
2022-12-31 01:19:04	phrik	Title: PyPI · The Python Package Index (at pypi.org)
2022-12-31 01:23:41	raccct	Okay. I take it this is some network issue unrelated to arch then. hopefully. Thanks for the swift help guys - appreciate it. I will go to bed now.
2022-12-31 02:08:04	mcurran	Can anyone help me get my radeon r9 290x working as a second gpu for opencl functions?  I cannot even get my BIOS to detect it so far...  I have a MSI Z87 MPOWER MAX and a nVIDIA GTX 660.  I am still using the GTX 660 as my main GPU, so I added the radeon into the second pci slot.  Does anybody know if I have to put it in the third slot for it to even get detected?
2022-12-31 02:08:21	mcurran	I know this is a hardware issue, but thought you bright guys might know.
2022-12-31 02:10:48	SponiX	well, I am pretty sure it being detected and acknowledged by the uefi/bios needs to be done before _any_ OS will support it
2022-12-31 02:14:22	MacGyver	mcurran: Check your mainboard manual and CPU entry on Intel Ark.
2022-12-31 02:14:50	MacGyver	mcurran: It might very well be that with your current CPU, certain PCIe slots get disabled.
2022-12-31 02:26:30	ti	Just solved the weirdest bug. With the XFCE 4.18 update, my ~/Templates symlink somehow got replaced with a symlink pointing to ~, making Thunar freeze (infinite loop presumably) every time I tried to open the context menu.
2022-12-31 02:28:25	SponiX	ti: Wow, sure that wasn't a Microsoft update? lol
2022-12-31 02:33:02	ti	My thanks go out to the 10 years old thread on the Ubuntu forums mentioning Thunar freezing on right click in connection with the Templates folder.
2022-12-31 03:54:46	fenugrec	Hi, on a whim I decided to test ipv6 connectivity, and I appear to have none. it's not explicitly disabled via systemd-networkd AFAICT; "ip a" only lists an 'inet' address, no 'inet6' entry. Where should I look next ?
2022-12-31 03:55:28	sheep	fenugrec: is there anything related to ipv6 in /proc/cmdline or in /etc/sysctl.d ?
2022-12-31 03:55:57	fenugrec	sheep, nothing in either
2022-12-31 03:56:17	sheep	are you running in a container?
2022-12-31 03:56:59	fenugrec	no, real metal. journalctl -k shows "IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHHAGNE): enp6s0: link becomes ready" at some point during boot
2022-12-31 03:57:21	sheep	try ip -6 a
2022-12-31 03:57:28	fenugrec	no output
2022-12-31 03:58:39	fenugrec	hm I am using expressvpn, let's see if it's somehow interfering
2022-12-31 03:58:53	sheep	it likely did something stupid like remove all ipv6 addresses
2022-12-31 03:59:08	sheep	ipv4-only VPNs often do that
2022-12-31 03:59:39	fenugrec	'systemctl restart systemd-networkd' ? anything else ?
2022-12-31 03:59:44	fenugrec	(after killing expresvpn)
2022-12-31 03:59:44	sheep	no idea
2022-12-31 04:00:11	sheep	you may need to use ip link set dev XXX down then do the same with up instead of down
2022-12-31 04:00:18	sheep	to make networkd reconfigure the interface
2022-12-31 04:00:48	sheep	also cat /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6
2022-12-31 04:01:18	fenugrec	oo, progress : loopback is showing up with 'ip -6 a' now
2022-12-31 04:01:46	fenugrec	(that /proc.../disable_ipv6 contains only '0')
2022-12-31 04:02:02	sheep	so it most likely didn't use sysctl to disable ipv6
2022-12-31 04:02:12	fenugrec	`.
2022-12-31 04:02:19	sheep	check the other interfaces under /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf too
2022-12-31 04:03:26	fenugrec	(ip down + up has no effect);
2022-12-31 04:04:02	fenugrec	diffing proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/enp6s0 and ...conf/lo yields a few differences. Looking up what they mean now
2022-12-31 04:05:15	fenugrec	"accept_ra" is set to 0; "Accept Router Advertisements"
2022-12-31 04:05:39	sheep	that's normal if networkd isn't set to accept RAs for those interfaces
2022-12-31 04:06:39	fenugrec	other diffs are "addr_gen_mode", mtu, and "use_tempaddr", none of which really scream "disable" to me
2022-12-31 04:07:14	sheep	disable_ipv6 is the main one that matters
2022-12-31 04:07:35	fenugrec	let's see if disconnecting the cable will shake things up
2022-12-31 04:08:06	fenugrec	nope
2022-12-31 04:13:57	fenugrec	eh, will try a reboot, tomorrow. thanks sheep
2022-12-31 04:21:56	djustice	sheep? as in electric sheep? or s. heep?
2022-12-31 04:36:30	hreb	What are the general steps to setting up DE? Not using a packaged DE, but have WM/xorg group, and nvidia driver. xinit errors out with "giving up ; unable to connect to X server: Connection refused ; server error"
2022-12-31 04:38:42	Scimmia	hreb: nothing about that makes sense. What are you trying to do, exactly?
2022-12-31 04:39:07	hreb	Just to get a graphical desktop running
2022-12-31 04:39:42	Scimmia	by exactly, I mean exactly. Don't give me generalizations
2022-12-31 04:39:58	hreb	x11 herbstluftwm through standard xinit/startx
2022-12-31 04:40:40	Scimmia	and how did you install herbstluftwm? How did you set up .xinitrc?
2022-12-31 04:41:57	hreb	herbst through pacman, xinitrc copying last ifblock from /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc to load modules, with exec herbstlufmwm to start WM
2022-12-31 04:42:31	hreb	iirc install chain should have preloaded .xinitrc but I didn't see it in my file
2022-12-31 04:43:12	Scimmia	last ifblock sounds odd, pastebin the file
2022-12-31 04:44:16	hreb	Got a short curl script to something like hastebin? I don't have paste managers set up yet
2022-12-31 04:44:40	Scimmia	!give hreb ix
2022-12-31 04:44:41	phrik	hreb: <command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2022-12-31 04:46:12	hreb	http://ix.io/4k0Q
2022-12-31 04:47:18	Scimmia	alright, that's missing some things, but they're not critical things. It should work fine. Need to check the xorg log next
2022-12-31 04:47:31	Scimmia	using manual startx, it should be in your home dir
2022-12-31 04:47:52	Scimmia	!give hreb xorg log
2022-12-31 04:47:52	phrik	hreb: xorg's log can be found in one of several places: the system journal, /var/log/ or $HOME/.local/share/xorg/
2022-12-31 04:49:23	hreb	http://ix.io/4k0S
2022-12-31 04:49:53	Scimmia	god damnit
2022-12-31 04:49:59	Scimmia	!give hreb notarch
2022-12-31 04:50:00	phrik	hreb: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2022-12-31 04:54:05	sweatshirt	MrElendig: what is a sink in pactl? one shows but i am not sure what to do with that?
2022-12-31 04:55:24	thurstylark	a sink is a place for the audio to go. a destination structure of some sort
2022-12-31 04:55:32	thurstylark	like speakers or recording applications
2022-12-31 04:55:49	sweatshirt	ah i see
2022-12-31 04:55:52	sweatshirt	getting warmer
2022-12-31 05:16:37	cc0a3hr	is firewall approach are same as windows? in windows for example i can cut video players internet connection. can i do it on arch too? i installed ufw but it seems it's not like windows firewalls.
2022-12-31 05:18:24	Andrew	Yay, uh, I did a partial update on openssl and now init can't find libcrypto... I guess the way out is to arch-chroot and fully update?
2022-12-31 05:18:45	sheep	cc0a3hr: in general, linux firewalls aren'
2022-12-31 05:19:04	sheep	cc0a3hr: aren't targeted at specific applications. instead they block based on specific ports
2022-12-31 05:19:41	cc0a3hr	oh i see
2022-12-31 05:20:46	sheep	there are ways for iptables or nftables to match on the UID or GID running a process, and I think there are ways to match by things like SELinux contexts, but they're not usually used
2022-12-31 05:21:07	sheep	linux also has network namespaces so you can isolate processes to a specific virtual network
2022-12-31 05:22:45	Scimmia	Andrew: my not even work in arch-chroot. May have to use an external pacman, with --sysroot or --root
2022-12-31 05:22:49	Scimmia	or pacman-static
2022-12-31 05:23:09	Andrew	oh god... haven't considered that
2022-12-31 05:23:24	Andrew	... that means I'd need to use a live arch system instead of my debian arch-install-scripts :/
2022-12-31 05:23:32	Scimmia	yep
2022-12-31 05:23:51	Scimmia	well, pacman-static would still work with arch-chroot, so that's an option
2022-12-31 05:24:07	Andrew	not sure what that is... lemme see
2022-12-31 05:24:25	Andrew	sounds like some statically linked pacman...
2022-12-31 05:24:41	Andrew	but my guess is bash isn't even going to start
2022-12-31 05:24:51	Andrew	*wonders why init depends on openssl stuff*
2022-12-31 05:25:05	Namarrgon	init is systemd
2022-12-31 05:25:10	Scimmia	bash should work, pacman probably won't
2022-12-31 05:25:11	Namarrgon	systemd does crypto
2022-12-31 05:25:28	Andrew	hm
2022-12-31 05:26:10	Andrew	welp I don't have pacman-static
2022-12-31 05:26:19	Namarrgon	did pacman actually break?
2022-12-31 05:26:22	xx	why doesn't the install guide have a step to update the archlinux-keyring? It seems to be needed on the latest iso.
2022-12-31 05:27:15	Scimmia	xx: see the talk page
2022-12-31 05:27:24	Scimmia	iirc, it's been brought up
2022-12-31 05:27:37	xx	right, I forget the wiki talk pages exist, thanks
2022-12-31 05:28:52	Andrew	Scimmia: Thanks - it looks like getting a direct binary of pacman-static works
2022-12-31 05:28:56	Andrew	Yay, no need for liveiso
2022-12-31 05:30:37	Andrew	... signature is unknown trust idiocies again, aaahhh
2022-12-31 05:31:12	Scimmia	update archlinux-keyring first
2022-12-31 05:31:36	Andrew	I did
2022-12-31 05:31:52	Andrew	Trying to use pacman-key --update but that wants libcrypto
2022-12-31 05:32:20	xx	Andrew: that's not the command to run
2022-12-31 05:32:37	Andrew	If you meant pacman -S archlinux-keyring, I did that too
2022-12-31 05:33:01	xx	pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring
2022-12-31 05:33:03	Andrew	... but since pacman-key --update seems to have solved weird issues after not using the computer for 5 months, I now have the habit of running that along
2022-12-31 05:33:42	Scimmia	there is no --update option for pacman-key
2022-12-31 05:33:53	Andrew	Alright, redid pacman-static -Sy archlinux-keyring, got -20221220-1
2022-12-31 05:33:57	Andrew	wait what did I use again
2022-12-31 05:34:28	Andrew	-u, --updatedb*
2022-12-31 05:34:34	Andrew	and --refresh-keys
2022-12-31 05:35:04	Andrew	Anyways, after archlinux-keyring-20221220-1 was reinstalled a couple times over I still have one person's key not working
2022-12-31 05:35:04	Scimmia	neither of which are all that useful
2022-12-31 05:35:18	Scimmia	which key?
2022-12-31 05:35:26	Andrew	all keys from Frederick Schwan
2022-12-31 05:35:49	Andrew	I suppose I could try some weird symlinking of the .so files to get pacman partially working first
2022-12-31 05:36:29	Scimmia	that's not the one I was expecting to be a problem
2022-12-31 05:38:01	Andrew	symlinking did not work as thngs wanted OPENSSL_1_1_1 as the specific versionstring
2022-12-31 05:38:05	Scimmia	I'm guessing it's expired
2022-12-31 05:38:09	Andrew	Scimmia: Not sure what you meant there-
2022-12-31 05:38:13	Andrew	yeah, expired
2022-12-31 05:38:18	Andrew	*attempts gpg-based fix*
2022-12-31 05:38:34	Scimmia	symlinking between different libraries is a terrible idea. Don't ever do it
2022-12-31 05:38:52	Scimmia	is your clock off?
2022-12-31 05:39:06	Andrew	off by 24 seconds
2022-12-31 05:39:21	Scimmia	that would'nt be an issue
2022-12-31 05:39:25	Andrew	yeah
2022-12-31 05:40:00	Scimmia	something went weird with your keyring. See https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Resetting_all_the_keys
2022-12-31 05:40:02	phrik	Title: pacman/Package signing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2022-12-31 05:40:39	Scimmia	I would suggest moving the dir instead of deleting
2022-12-31 05:40:48	Andrew	I tried that, but it wants pacman-conf which in turn wants libssl and the missing libraries
2022-12-31 05:41:18	Scimmia	fun
2022-12-31 05:41:48	Scimmia	honestly at this point, extract the old openssl library from the package in your cache
2022-12-31 05:42:12	Scimmia	or install openssl1.1, if you can get that far
2022-12-31 05:42:29	Scimmia	er, openssl-1.1
2022-12-31 05:43:34	Andrew	Scimmia: I'm considering temperorily turning off pacman signature checking, update, fix my keychain, then make signature checking normal and hopefully get on with life...
2022-12-31 05:44:28	Scimmia	that's an option
2022-12-31 05:45:11	Scimmia	and in the future, no more partial updates?
2022-12-31 05:45:22	Andrew	yeah
2022-12-31 05:45:32	Andrew	:/ was never taught that before
2022-12-31 05:46:54	Andrew	alright, unbroke my system
2022-12-31 05:47:01	Andrew	Thanks!
2022-12-31 05:47:31	Scimmia	np
2022-12-31 06:27:17	djustice	you guys are hilarious.
2022-12-31 06:44:19	jrm	I'm reading HOSTNAMECTL(1) and it's unclear to me what it expects for the "static" hostname.  Should it be FQDN like myhostname.blah.org or just myhostname?
2022-12-31 06:46:22	Namarrgon	`the "static" hostname which is the user-configured hostname (e.g. "lennarts-laptop")`
2022-12-31 06:47:34	jrm	Namarrgon: Right, but then `hostname -d` reports (none).
2022-12-31 06:49:03	Namarrgon	yup
2022-12-31 06:49:19	Namarrgon	why are the inetutils even installed?
2022-12-31 06:51:09	jrm	Because I'm stuck in the past.  I'm trying to write a portable (POSIX) shell script and that script has to determine the host's FQDN.
2022-12-31 06:55:34	jrm	Is there a standard way to get the fqdn of the current host on arch (systemd) systems?  I'm struggling to determine an answer.
2022-12-31 06:56:17	Namarrgon	if you need a FQDN then set one
2022-12-31 06:56:33	Namarrgon	but that wasn't what your initial question was about
2022-12-31 07:07:38	jrm	Ok, let me try again.  What's the proper way to set a FQDN on Arch?
2022-12-31 07:16:24	mpan	jrm: hostnamectl may accept either.
2022-12-31 07:16:45	jrm	mpan: Thank you.
2022-12-31 07:17:18	mpan	But I believe you may want to ask a different question. As insiting on setting FQDN and being so concerned about FQDN specifically sounds weird.
2022-12-31 07:22:32	aadhi	Is there a place arch linux users share app armor profiles? I'd like to contribute to the official set, but I can't seem to figure out where people are working on them.
2022-12-31 07:23:10	aadhi	Is there a place arch linux users share app armor profiles? I'd like to contribute to the official set, but I can't seem to figure out where people are working on them.
2022-12-31 07:23:33	jrm	mpan: I'm adjusting to a new way of thinking.  I've run systems for decades where it's /normal/ to include a domain when setting the hostname.  HOSTNAME(1) has the option -s to "Trim off any domain information from the printed name."
2022-12-31 07:27:59	Namarrgon	you can still do that, or set the fqdn via dns, or set it via /etc/hosts
2022-12-31 08:47:25	txtsd	Where do I find old versions of packages to download?
2022-12-31 08:50:54	txtsd	Arch Linux Archive. That's what it was. Brain derped out for a moment.
2022-12-31 08:57:52	uniqNuuid	txtsd: look for archlinux rollback
2022-12-31 08:58:57	uniqNuuid	https://archive.archlinux.org
2022-12-31 08:58:58	phrik	Title: Index of / (at archive.archlinux.org)
2022-12-31 09:20:59	lolok	as far as i can tell aadhi theres nothing special about aa package on arch, all the profiles included come straight from upstream, unmodified
2022-12-31 09:21:26	lolok	so https://gitlab.com/apparmor/apparmor then
2022-12-31 09:21:28	phrik	Title: AppArmor / apparmor · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2022-12-31 09:37:30	aadhi	lolok: yeah unfortunately a lot of the useful profiles (firefox, pdf viewer, irc client, etc) require slight modifications to work on arch. it's not horribly involved, it just seems redundant for every arch aa user to repeatedly make those modifications. anyhow, thanks for the tip though.
2022-12-31 09:38:56	lolok	maybe you can make them into an aur package?
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2022-12-31 10:30:16	TheDcoder	Help! I have a rouge process which is immune to sigkill!
2022-12-31 10:30:45	TheDcoder	process is gst-plugin-scanner, it's using 100% of CPU and doesn't respond to SIGKILL even from root
2022-12-31 10:30:59	TheDcoder	WTF is this?
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2022-12-31 10:32:13	lolok	its probably blocked on some syscall
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2022-12-31 10:32:27	lolok	probably a read
2022-12-31 10:33:03	TheDcoder	okay, but how do I kill it?
2022-12-31 10:33:36	lolok	sysrq 'j' maybe?
2022-12-31 10:34:03	lolok	probably just reboot tho tbh
2022-12-31 10:34:11	TheDcoder	I don't have sysrq enabled
2022-12-31 10:34:23	TheDcoder	reboot? there's no alternative? :-/
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2022-12-31 10:34:33	TheDcoder	what if I can't reboot?
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2022-12-31 10:41:38	lolok	assuming youre on some 'normal' kernel you should be able to enable sysrq with 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq' and maybe 'j' [just unthaw fs] 's' [sync] or 'u' [remount read only] will help then
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2022-12-31 10:41:44	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-31 10:43:11	TheDcoder	oh, let me try
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2022-12-31 10:44:43	TheDcoder	ah crap, why does my keyboard have the same key for both print screen and sysrq?
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2022-12-31 10:46:51	lolok	mine does too, but it works fine anyway; your mileage may vary tho
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2022-12-31 10:47:47	TheDcoder	I'm not sure if it worked
2022-12-31 10:48:02	TheDcoder	there's no visible indication, and the process is still running
2022-12-31 10:49:01	Menelkir	Thaodan: Print Screen was supposed to be activated using shift in the past
2022-12-31 10:49:11	Menelkir	same as pause and break
2022-12-31 10:49:14	lolok	you can use the 'h' sysrq and watch the output of 'journalctl -f' for a help message
2022-12-31 10:49:26	lolok	on my system i need to fn+printscrn
2022-12-31 10:50:12	Menelkir	lots of those things changed over the years because of the functionality those keys used to have, but yeah
2022-12-31 10:50:37	Menelkir	alt+sysrq works well for the purpose of the sysrq on linux
2022-12-31 10:50:57	Menelkir	at least for my system
2022-12-31 10:51:45	lolok	alt or meta is always required afaik, implicitly, and hold alt
2022-12-31 10:52:22	lolok	press down alt, press down fn, press printscrn, release fn, press h, release alt
2022-12-31 10:52:50	TheDcoder	I figured out the combination which works
2022-12-31 10:52:57	lolok	[i dont make the rules i just play the game]
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2022-12-31 10:53:06	TheDcoder	but the process is still here after the thaw
2022-12-31 10:53:23	lolok	sync?
2022-12-31 10:53:45	lolok	i doubt you wanna remount readonly but...
2022-12-31 10:53:47	TheDcoder	still here
2022-12-31 10:53:57	TheDcoder	I definitely don't want to do that
2022-12-31 10:54:00	lolok	lookin like reboot is gonna be the only way :/
2022-12-31 10:54:08	lolok	what kernel version>?
2022-12-31 10:54:17	TheDcoder	what's up with these cancer processes?
2022-12-31 10:54:26	TheDcoder	I had another one not too long ago
2022-12-31 10:54:32	lolok	maybe your filesystem or drive
2022-12-31 10:54:43	TheDcoder	lolok: Linux arch 6.1.1-zen1-1-zen #1 ZEN SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Wed, 21 Dec 2022 22:27:59 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2022-12-31 10:54:43	lolok	like i said i think its waiting on kernel io
2022-12-31 10:54:47	lolok	thats why you cant kill it
2022-12-31 10:54:55	Menelkir	I was about to say that, your filesystem can be a culprit
2022-12-31 10:54:56	lolok	oh i dont use zen and never ha this problem
2022-12-31 10:55:02	lolok	had*
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2022-12-31 10:55:34	TheDcoder	But why can't the kernel like... kill the process?
2022-12-31 10:55:40	TheDcoder	screw the I/O
2022-12-31 10:55:44	Menelkir	it depends on the process
2022-12-31 10:55:51	TheDcoder	it was an user process
2022-12-31 10:56:07	TheDcoder	and I was trying to kill it from root with SIGKILL
2022-12-31 10:56:19	lolok	the kernel *is* the process, when your user process makes the syscall, it makes a context switch to the kernel
2022-12-31 10:56:22	AiO	have you guys disabled the archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync.timer these days? my machines seems like they're not doing much else than skipping keys and generating gpg errors with the archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync.service these days. if so... is it enough to just (frequently) run "pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring" frequently instead?
2022-12-31 10:57:11	TheDcoder	lolok: but the kernel is multi-threaded, can't it just kill whatever context/thread is attach to the process as well?
2022-12-31 10:57:25	◣	heat (~heat@sortix/contributor/heat) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2022-12-31 10:57:46	lolok	i disabled it and just manually run it before i upgrade but yea i was thinking there was some problem with it AiO i mentioned last week that it keeps refreshing the same keys which doesnt seem right
2022-12-31 10:58:08	TheDcoder	Just saw this new message in the journal:
2022-12-31 10:58:10	TheDcoder	INFO: task gst-plugin-scan:9643 blocked for more than 245 seconds.
2022-12-31 10:58:59	TheDcoder	I give up, I'm rebooting
2022-12-31 10:59:22	ℹ 	another| es conocido ahora como another
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2022-12-31 11:00:45	lolok	is the kernel multi threaded? thats news to me tbh, i thought it could still run on a 486
2022-12-31 11:01:26	TheDcoder	Uhhh.. it isn't?
2022-12-31 11:01:38	AiO	lolok: yeah, something seems iffy
2022-12-31 11:01:41	lolok	im not a kernel dev
2022-12-31 11:01:48	TheDcoder	Me neither
2022-12-31 11:02:07	TheDcoder	And now my PC is stuck shutting down
2022-12-31 11:02:34	lolok	yea its gonna timeout trying to sync that drive probably
2022-12-31 11:02:40	TheDcoder	Systemd is trying to kill Session 3 of gdm since 3 minutes
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2022-12-31 11:03:15	TheDcoder	Oh wait it's done
2022-12-31 11:03:20	TheDcoder	But...
2022-12-31 11:03:40	TheDcoder	Systemd is now waiting for that process
2022-12-31 11:04:03	TheDcoder	Blocked for 614 seconds
2022-12-31 11:04:22	TheDcoder	What kind of cancer process is this?
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2022-12-31 11:05:42	lolok	lol idk why i didnt see that one comming actually probably coulda skipped to the SUB sysrqs
2022-12-31 11:05:46	topcat001	is it in D state?
2022-12-31 11:06:02	TheDcoder	Something happened and my system rebooted
2022-12-31 11:06:09	lolok	it times out
2022-12-31 11:06:12	topcat001	these things are almost always due to hardware or drivers
2022-12-31 11:06:30	TheDcoder	What's D state?
2022-12-31 11:06:46	topcat001	the kernel is mostly preemptive, btw
2022-12-31 11:07:15	TheDcoder	not sure what that means...
2022-12-31 11:07:33	TheDcoder	lolok: I wished I could've timed it out manually without doing the reboot
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2022-12-31 11:10:57	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-31 11:14:14	lolok	id probably wish for a nicer house, or a bunch of money, but improvements to systemd are always welcome
2022-12-31 11:15:27	TheDcoder	It's not systemd though, it's the kernel
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2022-12-31 11:15:39	TheDcoder	I was keeping my wishes more realistic :P
2022-12-31 11:16:24	◣	nzeo (~nzeo@80.64.181.150) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-12-31 11:17:18	lolok	realistically its probably your fs or the drives drivers; also, forgot to ask if there was anything interesting in the journal
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2022-12-31 11:19:17	TheDcoder	nothing aside from the warnings about the blocked process
2022-12-31 11:19:39	TheDcoder	I'm using ext4
2022-12-31 11:19:56	TheDcoder	will check my NVMe SSD's stats
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2022-12-31 11:23:34	TheDcoder	don't really see anything to be honest
2022-12-31 11:23:40	TheDcoder	no new errors
2022-12-31 11:23:56	TheDcoder	I will check the journal around the time the process was started
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2022-12-31 11:33:15	lolok	is this reproducible?
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2022-12-31 11:34:23	ℹ 	bq es conocido ahora como `{
2022-12-31 11:35:04	TheDcoder	lolok: I hope not
2022-12-31 11:35:09	ℹ 	Lord_of_Life_ es conocido ahora como Lord_of_Life
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2022-12-31 11:39:53	lolok	lol true freak accidents do happen sometimes what with all the cosmic rays bouncin around
2022-12-31 11:42:23	Menelkir	I would check kernel bugtraq, really
2022-12-31 11:42:32	Menelkir	being there, done that
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2022-12-31 11:46:56	kidnextdoor	hi, is keyring fixed yet?
2022-12-31 11:47:23	teraflops	…
2022-12-31 11:48:09	kidnextdoor	lets go guys, lets buy some t-shirts, dont spend it all in fans
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2022-12-31 11:55:35	⚡ 	teraflops hands an arch linux keyring t-shirt to kidnextdoor
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2022-12-31 11:57:05	kidnextdoor	uh la la, i wish you really send me a t-shirt i wuld wear it proudly
2022-12-31 11:57:08	teraflops	🔑 + 🎽 > kidnextdoor 
2022-12-31 11:57:11	teraflops	:D
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2022-12-31 11:58:15	kidnextdoor	or if you dont have enough money, send me the cap, man even the mug... anything would be the joy of my eyes on my daily routine
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2022-12-31 11:59:20	Menelkir	I would make good use of a new mug, despite the fact my last one is like 12yo and still doing his job
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2022-12-31 12:00:14	kidnextdoor	yeah plenty of mugs and keychains in market already
2022-12-31 12:00:53	kidnextdoor	and i bet profit on these things are garbage
2022-12-31 12:01:00	Menelkir	yeah but I've want something retro-related, my zx-spectrum mug suffered an awful death in 2010
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2022-12-31 12:01:48	kidnextdoor	i would say not to buy things you already have
2022-12-31 12:02:30	kidnextdoor	and dont need, thats pure consumism, but when you have the money its really hard to draw the line i understand
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2022-12-31 12:11:55	lolok	clean the old one and send it to me, than buy the new one for you, change it from consumerism to communism lol
2022-12-31 12:12:56	Menelkir	the problem of my old one is the handle starting to show his age
2022-12-31 12:13:07	Menelkir	it's rubber and you know what happens when rubber start to get old
2022-12-31 12:13:41	Menelkir	and isn't fixable unless I "fix" with duct tape
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2022-12-31 12:18:02	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2022-12-31 12:18:04	teraflops	“Yes, of course duct tape works in a near-vacuum. Duct tape works anywhere. Duct tape is magic and should be worshiped.”
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2022-12-31 12:18:48	ℹ 	Gento167 es conocido ahora como Gento166
2022-12-31 12:19:18	Menelkir	teraflops: for a rubber handle deteriorating actually isn't a bad idea if you really love a mug, but I rather find another one
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2022-12-31 12:24:47	lolok	'handle' is an optional dependency for 'mug'
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2022-12-31 12:26:34	braindamage	teraflops: if you pull duct tape in vacuum you get xray
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2022-12-31 12:26:42	teraflops	yes ;)
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2022-12-31 12:27:35	braindamage	I meant it seriously, for how weird it may sound
2022-12-31 12:28:40	teraflops	yeah I read that in hackaday
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2022-12-31 12:32:42	teraflops	I wonder how did they notice that. may be an astronaut noticed it while fixing something in the space the good old way
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2022-12-31 12:35:55	braindamage	no, ithe idea predates space flight
2022-12-31 12:35:58	braindamage	https://www.nature.com/articles/news.2008.1185
2022-12-31 12:35:59	phrik	Title: Sticky tape generates X-rays | Nature (at www.nature.com)
2022-12-31 12:36:15	bblinky	Hey, someone conviced me to try out KDE plasma the other day.. I didn't like it because it was taking too many system resources so I uninstalled it again with 'pacman -Rns plasma' but somehow there's still something left taking up diskspace on my / partition (I had 18 gb before I installed and now there still just 15 gb left..) and there's something taking a lot of syste resources that I can't
2022-12-31 12:36:17	bblinky	figure out what is from looking at htop... Would someone be up for helping me troubleshoot?
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2022-12-31 12:37:20	bblinky	F.ex. firefox is using 110% cpu just from loading a page... Which makes no fkn sense to me
2022-12-31 12:37:43	braindamage	the disk space is likely cached packages from pacman
2022-12-31 12:37:48	braindamage	the ram/cpu is likely a coincidence
2022-12-31 12:37:58	bblinky	Good point withthe cache
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2022-12-31 12:38:40	teraflops	paccache to the rescue
2022-12-31 12:39:12	teraflops	triboluminescence TIL
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2022-12-31 12:39:27	bblinky	I had absolutely no issues with cpu before the install but maybe something change radically recently because PI also did a full upgrade before installing kde
2022-12-31 12:39:40	teraflops	PI?
2022-12-31 12:39:45	bblinky	*I
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2022-12-31 12:40:36	braindamage	you can see in pacman log which packages were installed
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2022-12-31 12:49:53	bblinky	sudo: paccache: command not found
2022-12-31 12:50:25	electrohead	bblinky: pacman-contrib
2022-12-31 12:50:32	bblinky	thx
2022-12-31 12:56:48	bblinky	paccache tells me with 'paccache -dv' that it can save me 4 gb diskspace but non of the candidates are from the plasma group...
2022-12-31 12:58:00	bblinky	Also, looking at pacman log didn't really make me any more informed as to what it is that is that is doing terrible things to my cpu resources.. :(
2022-12-31 12:59:24	bblinky	it takes at least .5 secconds rn just to launch xfce4-terminal and another .5 before I get a prompt
2022-12-31 12:59:58	bblinky	It doesn't sound like a lot, but it is noticable bogged down compared to how it is usually 
2022-12-31 13:05:10	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2022-12-31 13:09:28	teraflops	there are many tools on linux to see what is actually using your cpu
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2022-12-31 13:10:00	bblinky	Can you mention one that I might be able to use with my peanut brain?
2022-12-31 13:10:23	teraflops	e.g top or htop
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2022-12-31 13:11:06	bblinky	Yeah, those did not make me any more clever except for the fact that I can see that doing anything at all is using way more resources than it should and does normally..
2022-12-31 13:11:20	bblinky	There's nothing speccific using resources at idle
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2022-12-31 13:14:07	bblinky	someone in #linux just suggested I should try, ye good old reboot... brb
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2022-12-31 13:16:23	bblinky	That semms to have worked
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2022-12-31 13:16:47	bblinky	Everything is responsive again
2022-12-31 13:16:59	⚡ 	bblinky dries sweat of forehead
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2022-12-31 13:20:23	jelle	no trust in me :(
2022-12-31 13:21:26	bblinky	whom?
2022-12-31 13:21:35	jelle	keyring issues a few hours ago :)
2022-12-31 13:21:45	bblinky	Oh... Right
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2022-12-31 13:28:30	Tom^	pacman needs a UpgFirst = archlinux-keyring in pacman.conf
2022-12-31 13:28:31	Tom^	:p
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2022-12-31 14:07:59	mingdao	;)
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2022-12-31 14:10:38	mingdao	bash function ud = pacman -S archlinux-keyring && pacman -Syu
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2022-12-31 14:31:46	principis	Hi! I noticed that the audio section on the XPS 13 9370 mentions that the audio isn't working. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dell_XPS_13_(9370)#Audio Can some verify? Audio has always worked fine for me, so I like to remove that bit.
2022-12-31 14:31:47	phrik	Title: Dell XPS 13 (9370) - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2022-12-31 15:36:47	thrice	yeah, the keyring situation kinda sucks
2022-12-31 15:38:32	y3k	Also... This setup is with LUKS + btrfs for the first time, I've always go with LUKS + LVM + EXT4... do you think btrfs is stable enough nowadays? Normal desktop workstation usage. Mostly browser, family pictures, lots of SSH / vim and a very few games every 6 months, lol
2022-12-31 15:39:16	y3k	(Also I'm following this guide, looks "sensible" https://nerdstuff.org/posts/2020/2020-004_arch_linux_luks_btrfs_systemd-boot/ )
2022-12-31 15:39:17	phrik	Title: Installing Arch Linux with Btrfs, systemd-boot and LUKS - nerdstuff.org (at nerdstuff.org)
2022-12-31 15:40:00	dfch	happy 2023 btw
2022-12-31 15:40:11	y3k	Still 2022 for me, haha
2022-12-31 15:40:13	y3k	But thanks!
2022-12-31 16:01:05	xx	y3k: I use luks+btrfs, it works
2022-12-31 16:03:02	y3k	xx: thank you!
2022-12-31 16:03:34	xx	y3k: also that's a pretty bad guide, the writer doesn't understand the options they are using
2022-12-31 16:03:46	xx	using noatime at the same time as nodiratime?
2022-12-31 16:04:02	fenugrec	sheep, it was indeed expressvpn messing up ipv6. A fresh reboot shows the expected entries with 'ip -6 a', and as soon as I start the expressvpn daemon, the inet6 addresses disappear.
2022-12-31 16:04:07	xx	forcing the use of 'ssd' option on a modern kernel?
2022-12-31 16:04:09	xx	etc.
2022-12-31 16:04:21	y3k	xx oh shiz, I'm already past that, I've generated the fstab already.
2022-12-31 16:04:28	y3k	Guess I can just remove those options from the fstab?
2022-12-31 16:04:43	xx	it's probably fine, just superflous
2022-12-31 16:04:54	xx	shows why 99% of guides online are bad
2022-12-31 16:05:01	y3k	_probably fine_ I don't really like that, lol
2022-12-31 16:05:29	xx	and `mount` has a `--mkdir` option now
2022-12-31 16:06:32	y3k	Oh nice! I didn't know about that.
2022-12-31 16:06:41	y3k	I still don't quite get how btrfs subvolumes work.
2022-12-31 16:06:48	y3k	I'm used to LVMs "fixed size" partitions.
2022-12-31 16:06:52	lmat	xx: sweet
2022-12-31 16:07:09	y3k	But with btrfs it looks like... everything is "take as much as needed"?
2022-12-31 16:07:39	y3k	e.g. both `/` and `/home` (different submodules) will share the full partition available size, as needed.
2022-12-31 16:07:40	xx	y3k: you can setup quotas if you wish
2022-12-31 16:07:53	xx	sub*volumes*
2022-12-31 16:07:54	y3k	Not really need it, just used to the LVM + ext4 way
2022-12-31 16:08:03	y3k	Yeah right, subvolumes
2022-12-31 16:08:18	y3k	(Really need to read a lot about btrfs)
2022-12-31 16:09:10	thrice	do you need any of the features?  Or just using it for the lulz?
2022-12-31 16:09:24	y3k	What features?
2022-12-31 16:09:34	xx	checksumming is nice
2022-12-31 16:09:44	xx	easy snapshots too
2022-12-31 16:09:45	y3k	Ah, btrfs features.
2022-12-31 16:09:58	y3k	The part that convinced me the most was the checksum, yeah.
2022-12-31 16:10:10	xx	silent data corruption sucks
2022-12-31 16:10:18	y3k	I've lots of old pictures that I don't really see every day, want to avoid getting them corrupted.
2022-12-31 16:10:21	y3k	Exactly that1
2022-12-31 16:10:33	thrice	well, btrfs won't prevent that
2022-12-31 16:10:40	y3k	That alone was like 95% of the stuff that made me pick btrfs this time
2022-12-31 16:11:07	y3k	uh what? Ok... I guess I read a dumb article because it sounded like btrfs helps with that.
2022-12-31 16:11:44	y3k	If not to prevent the corruption from happening, at the very least to know if it happened, right?
2022-12-31 16:11:54	thrice	heh, I guess
2022-12-31 16:12:03	thrice	"Your photos are corrupt."  OK
2022-12-31 16:12:13	y3k	e.g. if btrfs notifies me about a file going corrupt, I can restore from a backup.
2022-12-31 16:13:15	thrice	yep, you're right there
2022-12-31 16:13:30	thrice	just making sure you think about both sides of the equation
2022-12-31 16:13:42	y3k	Well, that was by far the main reason I picked btrfs this time, but as I said I'm still not 100% sure about it.
2022-12-31 16:13:53	y3k	Also it sounds like with compression enabled it can reduce SSD wear?
2022-12-31 16:14:10	y3k	I like my system as stable as possible (previous install ran for 7+ years with no issues)
2022-12-31 16:14:26	y3k	And I KNOW that LUKS + LVM + ext4 is hella stable, hahaha
2022-12-31 16:14:56	thrice	it's also one of the more complex setups you can have :>
2022-12-31 16:15:18	y3k	The LUKS + LVM + ext4?
2022-12-31 16:15:43	y3k	Guess we can take LVM out of it, but the LUKS part is somewhat a requirement, right-o? Hahaha
2022-12-31 16:16:00	y3k	This time I'm trying LUKS + btrfs... just hope I can use it for another 7+ years
2022-12-31 16:16:14	thrice	dunno, not for me, perhpas it is for you
2022-12-31 16:17:01	y3k	... have you tried btrfs, thrice ??
2022-12-31 16:17:18	thrice	yes
2022-12-31 16:17:31	y3k	You probably don't remember me, but you've helped me maaany times before so... let's just said that I consider your thoughts quite a lot, haha.
2022-12-31 16:18:05	thrice	haha
2022-12-31 16:18:26	y3k	For a new home workstation setup do you think LUKS + btrfs may be as stable as LUKS + LVM + ext4?
2022-12-31 16:18:32	thrice	I'm just playing devils advocate a bit, I wouldn't just blindly follow guides online, consider what features YOU need carefully
2022-12-31 16:19:03	y3k	Oh I mean, that guide isn't the first one that I read, I researched a bit about the features of btrfs vs ext4
2022-12-31 16:19:55	thrice	did you use LVM features in the past?
2022-12-31 16:19:56	y3k	And basically found that : ext4 = most stable thing out there; btrfs = may have some rough edges for the most advanced uses, however it has nice perks like checksum, reduced SSD wear and snapshots
2022-12-31 16:20:16	y3k	thrice not quite advanced, not, mostly just to resize partitions a couple of times.
2022-12-31 16:20:34	y3k	e.g. "Oh damn, I made the root partition a bit too small, let's expand it a bit..."
2022-12-31 16:20:44	y3k	But that's basically it.
2022-12-31 16:21:39	thrice	I'm probably not the best person to take advice from, though.  I don't have anything important on my drive, and this machine rarely leaves our home, so I don't bother with encryption
2022-12-31 16:22:41	y3k	This is a desktop machine too, the previous install didn't have LUKS on it, but since I've many external HDD drives / laptop I just used to always install LUKS on them.
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2022-12-31 16:23:31	y3k	So I guess I could just... go with plain btrfs, yup.
2022-12-31 16:24:00	y3k	I do have importante stuff though, lots of family pictures / videos mostly, everything else work related it on github anyway
2022-12-31 16:24:14	y3k	But wife would kill me if I lost the kiddo pics, lol
2022-12-31 16:24:41	Scimmia	which means you have an off-site backup, right?
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2022-12-31 16:24:58	y3k	I have 2 external HDD mirrors, yes.
2022-12-31 16:25:02	y3k	Nothing off-site just yet.
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2022-12-31 16:25:09	y3k	Planning on how to solve that.
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2022-12-31 16:25:49	y3k	Been looking at borg with rsync.net but haven't set it up yet
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2022-12-31 16:29:19	y3k	Anyway, back to the setup... guess I'll keep the LUKS + btrfs for now, and keep frequent backups?
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2023-01-01 13:08:29	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-01-02 12:04:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2023-01-02 12:04:12	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1462 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1461 normals)
2023-01-02 01:38:42	Toxmi	jkc: you're right, thanks
2023-01-02 01:57:10	topcat001	dualinity2: what exactly uses cpu?
2023-01-02 01:57:52	topcat001	how do you determine "the second monitor uses cpu"?
2023-01-02 03:50:04	manuels	somebody recently told me a good example for selling free software is aseprite
2023-01-02 03:50:22	manuels	well… it is not free
2023-01-02 03:50:52	candycane	it is if you compile it
2023-01-02 03:51:06	mpan	manuels: what’s the purpose of that mention?
2023-01-02 03:54:31	manuels	jfyi
2023-01-02 03:54:54	manuels	free beer, not freedom
2023-01-02 04:00:41	anomaly_	hello
2023-01-02 04:00:48	candycane	hi
2023-01-02 04:00:53	anomaly_	how are you
2023-01-02 04:01:20	candycane	fine
2023-01-02 05:00:49	Sadale	Hey. Am I alone? After upgrading the kernel to 6.1.1.arch1-1, my system crashed upon after my USB wifi dongle is connected and some light network activities. I'm using the MT76 driver, which's inside the mainline linux kernel. Using the 5.15.86-1-lts kernel fixed that.
2023-01-02 05:01:18	Sadale	If this is a new, unreported bug, please let me know where I can report it somewhere.
2023-01-02 05:04:49	Sadale	Oh. Someone else has reported it: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=216839
2023-01-02 05:28:45	txtsd	36 hours in and my badblocks scan is still going :(
2023-01-02 05:28:59	txtsd	13k errors so far
2023-01-02 05:31:24	SponiX	txtsd: ouch. might be time to retire that disk to light duty
2023-01-02 05:32:13	txtsd	It was supposed to be my media storage drive :(
2023-01-02 05:44:24	Sadale	txtsd, I'd recommend stop scanning it further and just go rescue the data on it using something like ddrescue
2023-01-02 05:44:38	Sadale	scanning this kind of drive can break it further
2023-01-02 05:45:15	txtsd	It's at 98% so if that data is already gone, it's gone.
2023-01-02 05:45:48	txtsd	Thanks for the tip though.
2023-01-02 05:46:07	Sadale	aw. I'm sorry to hear about that. :(
2023-01-02 05:46:32	Sadale	Hope that you can recover as much data as you could on it.
2023-01-02 05:47:19	txtsd	Yea the important stuff is safe. I was hoping to recreate the filesystem on it with the bad sector information and keep using it with a bi-weekly fsck. I guess that's not going to be viable anymore.
2023-01-02 05:48:02	txtsd	btrfs was my plan
2023-01-02 05:49:29	SponiX	txtsd: normally after developing a few bad sectors they continue to go down hill. BUT, there are some drives that hit a few, and stop there -- holding for a long time
2023-01-02 05:50:14	SponiX	personally, if I get any I/O errors on any drive, I retire it to only data I can afford to lose. like chia plots or Porno downloads
2023-01-02 05:56:35	uniqNuuid	my ssd does not get I/O errors
2023-01-02 05:56:50	uniqNuuid	!ab
2023-01-02 05:56:50	phrik	Arch is the Best™ https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_is_the_best
2023-01-02 06:00:12	topcat001	!asss
2023-01-02 06:00:14	phrik	Arch Sometimes Sells Seashells™
2023-01-02 06:00:34	topcat001	dammit
2023-01-02 06:01:49	txtsd	SponiX: Dang. I'll have to start saving up for a new drive then. I'm always running out of space.
2023-01-02 06:10:16	NetSysFire	!give topcat001 arse
2023-01-02 06:10:17	phrik	topcat001: Arch really sucks exceptionally
2023-01-02 06:10:31	gehidore	my favorite
2023-01-02 06:11:44	uniqNuuid	who is responsible to decompress initramfs during boot? the bootloader or the kernel? 
2023-01-02 06:12:26	topcat001	!assss
2023-01-02 06:12:27	phrik	Most problems can be created by installing Arch
2023-01-02 06:13:45	topcat001	I like arse as well, nice :)
2023-01-02 06:13:56	thurstylark	!grab topcat001 
2023-01-02 06:13:56	phrik	thurstylark: Tada!
2023-01-02 06:14:05	⚡ 	NetSysFire bonks thurstylark
2023-01-02 06:14:22	topcat001	I knew what I dug myself into as soon as I posted that lol
2023-01-02 06:14:25	⚡ 	thurstylark apologizes for nothing
2023-01-02 06:34:24	uniqNuuid	who is responsible to decompress initramfs during boot? the bootloader or the kernel? 
2023-01-02 06:55:34	tatsumaru	hey guys, I am using libreoffice on arch linux, for some reason when I try to export one of my .odt files to pdf, it generates a malformed PDF file that only contains links and whitespace, but no actual text. In fact i think the characters get replaced by whitespace for some reason. Any tips?
2023-01-02 06:58:24	NetSysFire	#libreoffice
2023-01-02 07:00:06	pantato	tatsumaru, want to send your file over and see if I get the same result?
2023-01-02 07:02:32	tatsumaru	pantato: solved it, looks like it's a libreoffice bug related to a specific font called Cantarell, changing the font solves it.
2023-01-02 07:04:01	pantato	:thumbs-up:
2023-01-02 07:29:42	damarusama	I cannot locate the package to play video and view image in fbterm, or in the console (without X) 
2023-01-02 07:29:49	damarusama	anyone has an idea?
2023-01-02 07:33:41	damarusama	also have to make my fbterm multiplex :( 
2023-01-02 07:45:25	txtsd	If a user doesn't have a password, what does `pacman -S <package>` do?
2023-01-02 07:47:20	hreb	Nothing. Access denied, as pacman install needs sudo/root permissions by default
2023-01-02 07:52:09	txtsd	Thanks
2023-01-02 07:55:49	nortega	>giving superuser no password
2023-01-02 07:55:54	nortega	Sounds like an awesome idea.
2023-01-02 08:01:49	thurstylark	nortega: it's not that hard to do with a properly-configured sudo/doas setup tbf
2023-01-02 08:08:30	⚡ 	nortega was being sarcastic
2023-01-02 08:31:28	pantato	rakor, you removed sudo? it comes with the distro by default
2023-01-02 08:31:45	pantato	and gnome probably installed gksu on its own
2023-01-02 08:32:21	rakor	does it? I haven't removed it but when I type sudo is says its not available
2023-01-02 08:32:35	thurstylark	sudo isn't installed by default in most cases
2023-01-02 08:32:49	Ennea	yea, arch does definitely not come with sudo by default
2023-01-02 08:33:17	rakor	[rakor@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Qs sudo
2023-01-02 08:33:17	rakor	local/gnome-sudoku 43.0-1 (gnome-extra)
2023-01-02 08:33:17	rakor	    Test your logic skills in this number grid puzzle
2023-01-02 08:33:17	rakor	local/qqwing 1.3.4-5
2023-01-02 08:33:23	rakor	No sudo 
2023-01-02 08:33:40	rakor	and no gksu
2023-01-02 08:34:46	thurstylark	gnome's involvement is probably related to polkit in some way...
2023-01-02 08:43:51	pantato	I could have sworn arch comes with sudo...
2023-01-02 08:44:20	pantato	weird, just a made up memory i guess
2023-01-02 08:49:21	thurstylark	granted, if it's something you use, it's totally plausible that you just install it reflexively and forget that you have to do that every time :P
2023-01-02 08:49:28	thurstylark	because that's some shit I'd do :P
2023-01-02 09:24:27	lolok	does 'NoExctract' in pacman.conf work on dirs or only files?
2023-01-02 09:27:58	beest	lolok: globs work, so yes
2023-01-02 09:32:46	lolok	so 'NoExtract   = usr/share/man/mann/*' is ok then?
2023-01-02 09:34:15	beest	yup
2023-01-02 09:34:51	lolok	thx
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2023-01-06 13:37:25	rdbeni0	after big upgrade and reboot, my user password has been changed. Does this happen sometimes?
2023-01-06 13:37:32	rdbeni0	around 2gb~ upgrade
2023-01-06 13:38:05	Namarrgon	no, this doesn't happen unless you straight up overwrite your configs with pacnews
2023-01-06 13:39:50	tomty89	shadow.pacnew?
2023-01-06 13:40:06	Namarrgon	for example
2023-01-06 13:40:18	Namarrgon	what errors do you see in the journal for a failed login attempt?
2023-01-06 13:40:37	rdbeni0	i am checking, do you know journactl cmd
2023-01-06 13:40:43	rdbeni0	hmm strange, no pacnew files
2023-01-06 13:42:45	rdbeni0	ah ok
2023-01-06 13:42:54	rdbeni0	"pam_faillock(sudo:auth): Consecutive login failures for user rdbeni0 account temporarily locked"
2023-01-06 13:43:34	rdbeni0	Namarrgon - thanks for tip that i can check journalctl
2023-01-06 13:43:35	tomty89	i wonder how long "temporarily" is
2023-01-06 13:43:45	jelle	5 minutes iirc
2023-01-06 13:43:51	Namarrgon	you can reset the lock with 'faillock'
2023-01-06 13:44:12	rdbeni0	sure, now i will investigate. Thanks for "journalctl --user"
2023-01-06 13:44:51	teraflops	iirc 10 minutes jelle 
2023-01-06 13:46:23	tomty89	Namarrgon: nice
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2023-01-06 13:47:40	mingdao	rdbeni0: journalctl -b -0 --user   (add the -b -0 to see only the journal since last boot; -1 for the boot before, etc)
2023-01-06 13:47:40	MacGyver	mingdao: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Talk:Installation_guide#Recommended_minimum_size_of_ESP_is_becoming_cramped_for_certain_popular_installations_%28kernel_%26_initcpio_on_ESP_%2B_Nvidia_and%2For_KMS%29
2023-01-06 13:47:42	phrik	Title: Talk:Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-01-06 13:47:47	ville	is arch linux planning to do anyting for https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1026809 ?
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2023-01-06 13:48:23	rdbeni0	mingdao: 1+, thx
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2023-01-06 13:48:47	mingdao	rdbeni0: yw
2023-01-06 13:49:05	mingdao	MacGyver: Guess I've never read a talk page before now, thanks for showing me.
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2023-01-06 13:50:06	tomty89	ville: https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/commit/27567a0220da86d3c45eb3e341f30457f93d99d7
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2023-01-06 13:50:24	tomty89	ville: still in Testing
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2023-01-06 13:51:24	ville	tomty89: thanks. looks like i'm on -3 right now
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2023-01-06 13:58:51	MacGyver	Scimmia: For completeness, it went there: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Talk:Installation_guide#Recommended_minimum_size_of_ESP_is_becoming_cramped_for_certain_popular_installations_%28kernel_%26_initcpio_on_ESP_%2B_Nvidia_and%2For_KMS%29
2023-01-06 13:58:52	phrik	Title: Talk:Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-01-06 19:30:43	rakor	I have installed torbrowser-launcher, but it crashed on start when it trys to download the binary.
2023-01-06 19:31:09	rakor	It throws error.BadSignatures.
2023-01-06 19:32:56	cousin_luigi	MacGyver: What's parabola?
2023-01-06 19:33:28	cousin_luigi	MacGyver: Anyway no, it's a legal matter. It can be a problem in some jurisdictions.
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2023-01-13 16:31:38	stefanc_diff	h4rd3n3d: just for kicks try an update/year or update/6months and lets see if that breaks anything. From what I've seen frequent updates tend to break nothing while less frequent updates sometimes have bugs (in the software part of the repos, not bugs in arch software)
2023-01-13 16:32:22	Scimmia	you can run into problems with less frequent updates, but they shouldn't break things
2023-01-13 16:32:42	Scimmia	more likely partial updates or out of repo packages
2023-01-13 16:38:43	susi	even the grub issue didn't concern me, since I forgot to install the new grub nor generated a new config until I was already aware of the issue
2023-01-13 16:44:10	torwag	Grrr... still struggle with my Thinkpad Lenovo T14 AMD and the Lenovo USB-C Hub to connect two monitors. Worked fine until an update and now both displays are correctly recognized by the laptop but they do not turn on (both connected via Displayport). Does this sound familar to someone here? 
2023-01-13 16:45:38	susi	it's weird that the MMC fw seems to occassionally work without giving sdhci the debug_quirk, because there was a time when it wasn't automatic and I sometimes forgot to do it, and sometimes there were problems with writes and sometimes there weren't
2023-01-13 16:46:14	susi	somewhat buggy CQE implementation or something
2023-01-13 16:50:28	Bco1981	i wouldn't, i would start with attempting only one, and firstly make sure that one works without the hub, directly to the laptop.
2023-01-13 16:51:11	torwag	I did this.... plugged stuff in an out.... updated firmware, the damn cable is very short, need usually the laptop is folded away under the table and everyhing worked now I am either sitting at the desk, writing like now, or laying on the damn floor trying to pull cables back and forth.... I hate it
2023-01-13 16:52:30	torwag	I will try to reboot into a live CD again and see what this brings to the table, if that works, most likely it is my own damn fault, maybe some "workaround" I did many weeks ago which with the new updates, is now creating more damage rather then helping
2023-01-13 16:55:04	torwag	What puzzles me is the fact that e.g. wdisplay finds all three screens... totally fine. But the displays do not receive a signal and go to standby. On the other hand kanshi claims it can't find the right profile albeit it is the same profile which I used for weeks now without any problem. The names of the displays I copied verbatim from sway -t get_outputs to kanshi still kanshi can't find them
2023-01-13 16:55:13	Scimmia	killown: I asked because I was wondering if something was happening during the build process or something, but now I googled it and am seeing Garuda?
2023-01-13 17:40:58	yawkat	how do i mount a host serial device, by id, into an lxc container managed by libvirt?
2023-01-13 17:41:17	yawkat	i cant bind mount it, because the by-id path is a symlink.
2023-01-13 17:41:49	yawkat	lxc unix-char might work, but it's not supported by libvirt and i cant see a way to add it manually to the container.
2023-01-13 18:15:51	zsw	Is there something like a github repo for old aur PKGBUILD files?
2023-01-13 18:17:30	Scimmia	zsw: how old?
2023-01-13 18:17:46	LordRishav	zsw: You can use the AUR cgit
2023-01-13 18:17:55	Scimmia	the AUR is backed by git, everything is there as long as you're not talking AURv3
2023-01-13 18:17:56	zsw	Scimmia: I'm not sure when it was dropped from aur
2023-01-13 18:18:38	Scimmia	see the aur-requests mailing list
2023-01-13 18:18:48	Scimmia	but really, just clone what you want
2023-01-13 18:19:31	zsw	I'm trying to hunt down the last PKGBUILD for pyrocore
2023-01-13 18:20:33	Scimmia	there's no pkgbase by that name
2023-01-13 18:20:46	Scimmia	since core is there, I'm guessing it was a split package?
2023-01-13 18:22:04	zsw	"Description     : A collection of tools for the BitTorrent protocol, especially the rTorrent client"
2023-01-13 18:22:25	Scimmia	It was in AUR3. Must have been deleted quite a few years ago
2023-01-13 18:22:41	Scimmia	https://github.com/felixonmars/aur3-mirror/tree/master/pyrocore
2023-01-13 18:23:25	zsw	Scimmia: thank you kind sir
2023-01-13 18:23:28	Scimmia	it's over 10 years old, no guarantees that it will work at all
2023-01-13 18:24:05	zsw	Yeah there is a somewhat newer version that I'd like to install and test with
2023-01-13 18:25:02	Scimmia	hopefully one that doesn't require python2
2023-01-13 18:31:07	fruity_tomatoy	hey, any ideas why i cant drag windows to another screen if there is a panel inbetween then in xfce4?
2023-01-13 18:31:19	fruity_tomatoy	like if dual monitor setup is top/bottom
2023-01-13 18:35:02	fruity_tomatoy	seems the panel is blocking it for whatever reason lol
2023-01-13 18:35:06	fruity_tomatoy	solution: move panel to the bottom
2023-01-13 18:36:30	fruity_tomatoy	i see "keep panel above other windows" helps but then the window top bars go behind it when maximized
2023-01-13 18:51:30	vi-	just got thinkpad t480. first compooter I ever bought for myself :) excited. It's in great condition and perfect size and I love the red dot and screen. Woo
2023-01-13 18:59:43	dviola	vi-: enjoy, thinkpads are the best
2023-01-13 19:06:37	vi-	:) thanks
2023-01-13 19:13:00	stefanc_diff	vi-: t480s are great. Powerful little machines, arch works perfectly on a t480!
2023-01-13 19:13:28	vi-	most excellent. I was pretty sure that was the case, and I hope it works perfectly for me
2023-01-13 19:14:00	vi-	Who said anything about arch?!?! jkjk. Arch was the first distro I tried, and I stuck with it because every time I tried another distro I recoiled back into my shell
2023-01-13 19:17:35	vi-	techhnicallyyyy I "started" on linuxmint13 when I was interning in Bosstown and that was what they installed for me and then I started finding out about tiling wms and installed i3 and changed my login manager to that. Then I got a laptop as a going-off-to-uni present and dualbooted arch/win8 until I got tired of widnos and just went arch
2023-01-13 19:17:42	vi-	ahhh good times
2023-01-13 19:19:19	vi-	and then I proceeded to obsess over every single tiling window manager and editors like vim, ex, emacs, kakoune. And I still haven't gotten over those obsessions >_> don't come for me
2023-01-13 19:19:49	stefanc_diff	:) you have waaaay too much free time. Enjoy while it lasts! 
2023-01-13 19:19:57	vi-	HAD!
2023-01-13 19:20:05	vi-	now I just work and sleep it feels like ;_;
2023-01-13 19:34:44	vi-	and I mean that was years of experimentation when my 14-to-19-hour semesters plus jobbyjobs weren't killing me <3
2023-01-13 19:35:20	vi-	now it jus weekends and before I fall asleep at 10 like an old lady
2023-01-13 19:55:10	nmy	like an old lady
2023-01-13 19:55:12	nmy	lol
2023-01-13 19:56:15	nmy	me is keto/carnivore - can go from 9am - 1am before I start feeling sleepy
2023-01-13 19:56:24	nmy	more time to play with arch
2023-01-13 20:00:16	gehidore	try raising children
2023-01-13 20:00:46	nmy	raised 2 - now at 59 I feel like I should've at 20
2023-01-13 20:02:51	ScentedFern	Heya all. Do any of you use tigervnc? I was wondering if it is safe to disable encryption if I'm only accepting local connections
2023-01-13 20:05:01	nmy	just be aware your traffic is visible on the network to anything that could be sniffing
2023-01-13 20:05:07	nmy	even an android phone
2023-01-13 20:05:23	ScentedFern	Sure, but sniffing stuff would just see an ssh connection, right? 
2023-01-13 20:05:27	ScentedFern	By only local I mean only localhost
2023-01-13 20:05:41	nmy	localhost ok
2023-01-13 20:05:57	nmy	should be like anything else you are using on the system
2023-01-13 20:06:08	nmy	i.e. mariadb, postgres use localhost
2023-01-13 20:06:10	ScentedFern	Yeah cool that's what I was thinking but wanted some confirmation
2023-01-13 20:06:52	ScentedFern	You wouldn't happen to know how to disable encryption on tigervnc, would you? The AW page mentions a `SecurityTypes` switch, but I have no idea where that's even used
2023-01-13 20:08:23	nmy	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/TigerVNC
2023-01-13 20:08:24	phrik	Title: TigerVNC - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-01-13 20:08:50	nmy	reference the "Recommended security settings"
2023-01-13 20:08:56	ScentedFern	Yeah that's the page I'm on
2023-01-13 20:09:36	ScentedFern	The thing is, it's not recommended to actually run the `vncserver` executable
2023-01-13 20:09:44	ScentedFern	They want you to do everything through systemd
2023-01-13 20:11:41	SysGhost	vncviewer SecurityTypes=None to disable the securityscheme. 
2023-01-13 20:11:59	SysGhost	assuming vncserver allows it
2023-01-13 20:12:01	ScentedFern	It can be done from the client?
2023-01-13 20:12:44	ScentedFern	Oh I found it
2023-01-13 20:12:45	ScentedFern	I'm dumb
2023-01-13 20:12:58	ScentedFern	It's straight up in the settings in /etc
2023-01-13 20:13:00	ScentedFern	Sorry people
2023-01-13 20:13:31	ScentedFern	Appreciate the help
2023-01-13 20:14:14	nmy	np
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2023-01-13 20:30:51	matkor	Hi! How can I install https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/airsane-git ?
2023-01-13 20:30:56	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - airsane-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-01-13 20:31:02	thrice	!aw makepkg
2023-01-13 20:31:03	phrik	thrice: Makepkg - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Makepkg
2023-01-13 20:31:05	another|	!give matkor aw aur
2023-01-13 20:31:06	phrik	matkor: Aur - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Aur
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2023-01-13 20:33:59	matkor	Thanks. Reading now ...
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2023-01-13 22:00:10	post-factum	since arch dropped php7, does anyone know a decent agendav replacement?
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2023-01-13 22:46:48	susi	if I didn't have xorg-xset, how would I set the timeout/cycle or enable dpms without it?
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2023-01-13 22:49:35	Namarrgon	you can configure dpms in the xorg config
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2023-01-13 22:51:03	Namarrgon	"man 5 xorg.conf" /DPMS
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2023-01-14 14:48:54	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2023-01-14 14:46:30	JustUni	I can't figure out why my system randomly locks up.
2023-01-14 14:47:01	NetSysFire	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/General_troubleshooting#Debugging_freezes
2023-01-14 14:47:02	phrik	Title: General troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-01-14 14:47:08	pulec	try to figure out if it's hardware or software
2023-01-14 14:48:54	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-01-14 14:49:20	JustUni	I've tested my ram overnight, i can't ssh in (timeout), it stays frozen after 20+ minutes.
2023-01-14 14:50:18	NetSysFire	logs?
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2023-01-14 14:50:57	JustUni	Sometimes its empty sometimes other times multiple cores locked up hard and soft
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2023-01-14 19:28:51	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2023-01-14 19:28:51	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1494 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1493 normals)
2023-01-14 19:28:51	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-01-14 19:37:15	bug2000	Hi. So I finally have a new SSD. I've moved / to the new drive. I'm not sure I want to move my /home there as well. So I'm thinking maybe parts of it. I'm trying to decide if to set $XDG_* folders to point to the SSD or maybe symlink instead. What's your opinion about it? Is there anything else I should move?
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2023-01-14 19:38:05	thrice	sounds complicated, why not everything?
2023-01-14 19:38:25	teraflops	tbh having /home in the SSD will make things run faster 
2023-01-14 19:38:30	bug2000	1. My /home is bigger than the SSD. 2. I'm still afraid of the stories about losing data from ssd.
2023-01-14 19:38:57	teraflops	I think 2 is an urban legend
2023-01-14 19:39:15	bug2000	Oh and tcc in repos is broken: /usr/lib64/crt1.o: error: Invalid relocation entry [15] '.rela.debug_info' @ 00000504 <CR> tcc: error: file 'crt1.o' not found
2023-01-14 19:39:16	thrice	I'd be way more afraid of losing data on a spinning drive
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2023-01-14 19:39:34	qsecofr	i lost a 1tb ssd.. it just didnt show up on the bus anymore
2023-01-14 19:39:55	bug2000	Really? because when hdd's die you normally can recover some of it. It doesn't die as a whole. While ssd just die out of nowhere (mostly when had too many writes)
2023-01-14 19:40:01	teraflops	Im still usinf my first SSD that I bought several years ago
2023-01-14 19:40:04	bug2000	qsecofr, ouch.
2023-01-14 19:40:41	jkc	bug2000: SSDs have been far, far more reliable for me than any HDD ever has been.
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2023-01-14 19:42:21	qsecofr	yes, i assume the firmware runs into some drive inconsitency, the mem chips contain crypted data with the crypt keys in the processor chip. no way to get anything back, even with soldering
2023-01-14 19:42:38	bug2000	Sorry to hear.
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2023-01-14 19:43:13	teraflops	bug2000: about /home being that big I wonder if that's because yuo have things there that would be better put in a mechanical disk
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2023-01-14 19:43:43	qsecofr	its some time ago, and to tell the full story: it happened twice with that model, first time it was a bug during hibernating the notebook
2023-01-14 19:44:06	qsecofr	so the more software the drive has he more bugs it has too
2023-01-14 19:44:49	edgy	Hi archers, I need to teach and help someone with linux remotely, can you suggest to me a good software for sharing my desktop so he can see the commands? I use KDE (wayland)
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2023-01-14 19:45:00	bug2000	My music collection (that is recoverable with time. Just pain to rip so many CD's and I think my cdrom is busted). Photos which should have a backup  somewhere but I should probably check that again. I think these are better for mecha drives.
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2023-01-14 19:45:39	qsecofr	edgy: i heard there is a wl vnc..
2023-01-14 19:45:42	⚡ 	bug2000 shoots an arraow at edgy
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2023-01-14 19:46:19	bug2000	Is there a reason the other person isn't happy with Windows? Really, simpler that way.
2023-01-14 19:46:19	edgy	bug2000: I can't even find a CD drive around to rip some of my CD. All laptops around me are without CD's
2023-01-14 19:46:20	teraflops	dotfiles are located at ~, having them in an ssd makes software to run faster
2023-01-14 19:46:41	bug2000	teraflops, The ones that don't follow XDG yeah.
2023-01-14 19:46:52	ishanjain	some random package depends on electron18. Few months later, It receives an update and now it depends on electron 19. Repeat this a few more times and now I have 5 electronX packages and the electron package
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2023-01-14 19:47:15	coruja	bug2000: i'm quite fine with having my data collection on an external hdd (symlinked into my home dir) and the systems, configs and transient data on my ssd (which is quite small)
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2023-01-14 19:47:37	edgy	qsecofr: this: https://github.com/any1/wayvnc ?
2023-01-14 19:48:13	qsecofr	think so, yes, never tested that
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2023-01-14 19:49:03	edgy	qsecofr: it says Gnome, KDE and Weston are not supported
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2023-01-14 19:51:26	qsecofr	oh, sorry, really need to look into that
2023-01-14 19:51:33	bug2000	coruja, I guess it's an option. It's just changes. I'm not used to SSD's yet.
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2023-01-14 19:53:16	pulec	any recommendation for simple firewall? I just need to block some apps
2023-01-14 19:53:22	teraflops	qsecofr: slack, ms teams, skype, zoom?
2023-01-14 19:53:26	bug2000	pulec, firejail
2023-01-14 19:53:26	ishanjain	pulec: ufw
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2023-01-14 19:53:42	coruja	bug2000: in my experience, anything needing fast access should be on your ssd, the rest (media, backups etc) could go elsewhere
2023-01-14 19:53:45	bug2000	ishanjain, Can you use ufw at program level? Isn't it only connection level?
2023-01-14 19:53:53	bug2000	pulec, firejail --net=none foo
2023-01-14 19:53:55	ishanjain	I am not sure about that
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2023-01-14 19:54:58	pulec	ufw looks good
2023-01-14 19:54:59	bug2000	pulec, If you find something like Windows Firewall does, let me know.
2023-01-14 19:55:09	pulec	firejail seems too much, like sandboxing and all
2023-01-14 19:55:19	pulec	I just need it for DOOM eternal lol
2023-01-14 19:55:24	pulec	https://steamah.com/doom-eternal-how-to-play-in-offline-mode-with-no-bethesda-net-account/
2023-01-14 19:55:28	phrik	Title: DOOM Eternal How to Play in Offline Mode with No Bethesda.net Account - SteamAH (at steamah.com)
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2023-01-14 19:55:53	ishanjain	I don't think ufw supports blocking applications from accessing internet
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2023-01-14 19:56:01	ishanjain	can't find anything on this 
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2023-01-14 19:56:24	pulec	yes ufw is not ideal for this
2023-01-14 19:56:50	bug2000	pulec, I think the firejail --net=none foo is perfect for your needs.
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2023-01-14 19:57:15	teraflops	pulec: you just need one iptables line
2023-01-14 19:57:26	pulec	yes, seems like it
2023-01-14 19:57:29	teraflops	something like iptables -t filter -I OUTPUT 1 -m state --state NEW -j DROP ;)
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2023-01-14 19:58:10	tralala	and now network is down for everything
2023-01-14 19:58:12	teraflops	when you end killing aliens flush tables
2023-01-14 19:58:16	pulec	if I understand ip tables then sure
2023-01-14 19:58:21	edgy	bug2000: how is it important for you to use program-level? isn't port-level enough?
2023-01-14 19:58:23	teraflops	that's the idea isnt it?
2023-01-14 19:58:28	pulec	I don't see how I would block just 'doom.exe' with this
2023-01-14 19:58:44	bug2000	edgy, I don't know what ports programs use. Sometimes I just want to block their http access.
2023-01-14 19:58:50	pulec	I mean I could also just disconnect cable before I start lol
2023-01-14 19:59:22	edgy	bug2000: you can figure it easily using google or using ss
2023-01-14 19:59:32	ishanjain	teraflops: I also found, iptables -m owner --gid-owner/--cmd-owner and few other similar flags 
2023-01-14 19:59:36	◣	blackhawk (~blackhawk@user/blackhawk) ha salido (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2023-01-14 19:59:48	ishanjain	you could run a program as a new user and this user is not allowed any internet access 
2023-01-14 19:59:49	teraflops	it's an outbound connection, isnt it?
2023-01-14 20:00:21	bug2000	ishanjain, Interesting idea.
2023-01-14 20:00:34	teraflops	ishanjain: sure
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2023-01-14 20:02:14	teraflops	but having to run as another user may be a downside
2023-01-14 20:03:59	edgy	bug2000: maybe this https://github.com/evilsocket/opensnitch
2023-01-14 20:04:45	teraflops	evilsocket hehe
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2023-01-14 20:05:32	bug2000	edgy, looks interesting.
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2023-01-14 20:36:33	matkor	Running makepkg automagically updates pkgver ?  
2023-01-14 20:36:51	◣	felixonmars (~felixonma@archlinux/developer/felixonmars) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2023-01-14 20:36:54	matkor	Somehow I see 
2023-01-14 20:36:54	Namarrgon	only if the PKGBUILD has a pkgver function
2023-01-14 20:36:55	matkor	-pkgver=0.3.4.r2.g0736ea3
2023-01-14 20:36:56	matkor	+pkgver=0.3.5.r5.gc595807
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2023-01-14 20:38:09	Justice	kevr: hm been cleaning up old pkg's but it complains still for the same ;/
2023-01-14 20:38:09	ℹ 	felixonmars_ es conocido ahora como felixonmars
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2023-01-14 20:51:32	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2023-01-14 20:51:32	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1494 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1493 normals)
2023-01-14 20:41:59	matkor	So source=("${pkgname%-git}::git+https://github.com/SimulPiscator/AirSane.git"   tells to clone from git  and 
2023-01-14 20:42:00	matkor	pkgver() {   cd "$srcdir/${pkgname%-git}"     git describe --long --tags | sed 's/^v//;s/\([^-]*-g\)/r\1/;s/-/./g'    sets new version?
2023-01-14 20:42:36	Namarrgon	makepkg fetches the sources, then runs pkgver() if available to update $pkgver
2023-01-14 20:42:55	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VCS_package_guidelines#The_pkgver()_function
2023-01-14 20:42:57	phrik	Title: VCS package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-01-14 20:51:32	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-01-24 19:51:02	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2023-01-24 19:51:02	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1500 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1499 normals)
2023-01-24 18:12:51	Namarrgon	tkna: it's tricky to exclude packages from -Ss since it searches $pkgname as well as $pkgdesc, so you might ex-/include more than you'd expected
2023-01-24 18:15:42	susi	whan way; expac -Ss '%n' '^neovim$'
2023-01-24 18:15:58	susi	expac is kinda must-have for many things
2023-01-24 18:17:25	wakejagr	I've used archiso with releng before, but this is my first time trying baseline. does baseline also do autologin by default?
2023-01-24 18:18:11	Namarrgon	'baseline' is really basic, it will probably not even boot without your intervention
2023-01-24 18:19:38	wakejagr	Namarrgon: thanks. I'll look at releng again instead
2023-01-24 18:20:21	powftw	mt Dell latitude 7490 has fingerprint i can see. but lsusb not listing it
2023-01-24 18:20:32	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/nHECqooZ/
2023-01-24 18:20:33	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2023-01-24 18:21:48	Aryan	Hi guys, I need you to help me with this pacman error message. thanks. i haven't updated my machine for a long time.
2023-01-24 18:25:00	Namarrgon	powftw: check if it is enabled in the firmware
2023-01-24 18:25:12	Namarrgon	Aryan: keep talking
2023-01-24 18:25:53	tkna	susi: Namarrgon: Scimmia: grawity: Something like this will help me do what I want to do. Thank you kindly. `expac -Ss '%n: %d' neovim | grep -vE neovim-qt`
2023-01-24 18:26:14	Aryan	Namarrgon, Oh, i forgot to put the pastebin link. 
2023-01-24 18:26:22	Aryan	here you go, http://ix.io/4m6D
2023-01-24 18:26:22	lolok	!give Aryan fixkeyring
2023-01-24 18:26:23	phrik	Aryan: Your keyring issue would be probably fixed by: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
2023-01-24 18:27:10	Namarrgon	why is wxgtk2 still installed?
2023-01-24 18:27:19	Scimmia	Aryan: you aren't kidding about a long time
2023-01-24 18:27:30	Aryan	LOL
2023-01-24 18:27:30	Namarrgon	yeah, you need to update more often
2023-01-24 18:27:42	Aryan	yes i'm not joking
2023-01-24 18:27:57	Scimmia	see if you can remove wxgtk2
2023-01-24 18:28:03	lolok	^
2023-01-24 18:29:17	Aryan	Scimmia, i did pacman -Rdd and it's gone, thanks. now updating...
2023-01-24 18:29:30	Namarrgon	...
2023-01-24 18:29:55	Aryan	...
2023-01-24 18:30:14	Scimmia	I wouldn't have used the dd there, but too late now
2023-01-24 18:31:16	lolok	probably wont matter in this case nothing should depend on it after anyway
2023-01-24 18:31:45	Scimmia	unless it was something that got dropped
2023-01-24 18:33:10	lolok	yea probably -Qm after but should do that anyway at this point
2023-01-24 18:36:06	susi	or maybe -Qdt
2023-01-24 18:36:21	Aryan	I feel so dumb, haven't used linux for a long time...
2023-01-24 18:37:14	Aryan	can't use linux like I used to do.
2023-01-24 18:37:50	susi	I was just 13 years afk, and it felt and was like I had never used Arch or any Linux based system, even though I was kinda seasoned with Arch and Linux in general before that
2023-01-24 18:39:25	Aryan	13 years... I would probably forget even how to type
2023-01-24 18:39:29	susi	I still have the Arch from '07, gonna boot it up some day when I get (find) the needed adapters
2023-01-24 18:40:24	lolok	and* maybe -Qdt
2023-01-24 18:40:44	Piraty	susi: bad news, arch deprecated i686 and the successor is meh
2023-01-24 18:41:09	jelle	the successor is meh?
2023-01-24 18:41:11	Piraty	13y lol
2023-01-24 18:42:08	Aryan	Total Download Size:   2196.97 MiB
2023-01-24 18:42:19	Piraty	susi: and the weird thing you're probly fighting with is called the wart of modern linux a.k.a. systemd
2023-01-24 18:43:12	susi	I'm not planning any full-system upgrades for that system, maybe I'll just keep it in my personal museum in its current state, just as I've done to this day
2023-01-24 18:43:41	susi	maybe I'll have kids in the future, and then I can show them how Arch was back in good old days
2023-01-24 18:46:18	susi	I have tried that system once some years ago, but couldn't get a terminal to launch (just couldn't find the right key combination), so there was nothing but to stare at the empty 'desktop' (X root window's background image)
2023-01-24 18:48:03	Piraty	archlinux-1.0.0 when ?
2023-01-24 18:50:36	jkc	Piraty: Still waiting for someone to provide a sound technical justification for vitriolically hating systemd other than "it's different." Yes, it has its issues, it has some odd design decisions, some meh people involved, but on the whole, it's been a net positive in every aspect I can see. Just seems like way too much emotion in an area where emotion doesn't belong.
2023-01-24 18:50:51	Ennea	systemd is nice, i like it
2023-01-24 18:51:36	Namarrgon	don't feed the trolls
2023-01-24 18:52:03	Piraty	;)
2023-01-24 18:52:10	Piraty	just having fun, same as you.
2023-01-24 18:52:26	Ennea	the systemd situation seems to be pretty close to this neat visualization here: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/619/555/b29.jpg
2023-01-24 18:52:33	Ennea	with a lot of people stuck somewhere between panel 1 and 2
2023-01-24 18:53:11	krabmage	systemd sometimes is annoying about not killing processes quick enough but I get why it's like that
2023-01-24 18:53:20	Piraty	but i like my homedir right where it is...?
2023-01-24 18:53:40	Piraty	lol ever waited 5min for a stuck daemon?
2023-01-24 18:53:50	Piraty	on shutdown
2023-01-24 18:53:51	Ennea	nah, only 90s, since that's the default stop timeout
2023-01-24 18:53:53	Ennea	;p
2023-01-24 18:53:53	krabmage	yeah it sux
2023-01-24 18:54:04	Piraty	whatever, that's bogus right there
2023-01-24 18:54:06	krabmage	I mostly like it though
2023-01-24 18:54:16	Aryan	just Ctrl+c to stop the job.
2023-01-24 18:54:18	Ennea	also, since it's usually kwin that is busy not dying, i've created a drop-in unit file that replaces kwin's shutdown timeout with a 10 second one
2023-01-24 18:54:37	krabmage	There is probably something i could do i'm just lazy and its a minor thing
2023-01-24 18:56:35	jelle	Piraty: sysvinit has no shutdown timeout
2023-01-24 18:56:41	grawity	"ever waited 5min for a stuck daemon" lol I sure have https://i.imgur.com/LimQCz7.png
2023-01-24 18:57:11	grawity	that was debian's /etc/init.d/named stop, stuck for like 20 minutes during an apt upgrade until I kill -9 it
2023-01-24 18:57:24	Ennea	hah
2023-01-24 18:57:27	Ennea	fun
2023-01-24 18:57:31	jkc	grawity: That looks like something out of a tech horror movie.
2023-01-24 18:57:35	grawity	apt upgrade does not like it when a pre-remove script fails
2023-01-24 18:58:20	grawity	I think that was the same upgrade where I had to ctrl+z the upgrade, quickly edit the post-install script to *not* try to start the service again, then fg continue the upgrade
2023-01-24 18:58:54	grawity	but that's more of distro's fault for insisting on starting things
2023-01-24 18:59:35	grawity	https://i.imgur.com/pFnE6J0.png
2023-01-24 18:59:54	lolok	i made the timer a more reasonable 30 sec, and have used that brief moment to recognize when my system has gotten too bloated or broken; nothing running on a timer should take more than a moment and nothing ive chosen to start should fail so badly
2023-01-24 19:00:09	Corbit	Can it be, that if you pacman -Syu without reboot, services like postfix and dovecot get in trouble? Like TLS library problems.
2023-01-24 19:00:18	grawity	some of them can
2023-01-24 19:00:19	lolok	yes
2023-01-24 19:00:26	grawity	if they've loaded everything already, they'll be fine
2023-01-24 19:00:33	grawity	but if they try to load something *afterwards*, they'll have problems
2023-01-24 19:00:54	grawity	e.g. httpd or samba/smbd must be restarted, otherwise they will fail to load libraries (either from old path, or mismatching ABIs)
2023-01-24 19:01:05	grawity	postfix and dovecot generally survive but do complain
2023-01-24 19:01:11	grawity	I think dovecot complains more?
2023-01-24 19:01:52	Namarrgon	cron tends to explode if you don't restart it
2023-01-24 19:01:54	Piraty	Corbit: you can use something like https://github.com/leahneukirchen/xtools/blob/master/xcheckrestart to see what requires a restart after upgrade
2023-01-24 19:02:04	grawity	yeah, cron can't load PAM
2023-01-24 19:02:22	grawity	Namarrgon: we ended up having a .hook that restarts cron, maybe we could have the same for httpd and samba
2023-01-24 19:02:28	lolok	probably just reboot: if youre using arch on a server where uptime is critical, thats not advisable...
2023-01-24 19:02:29	grawity	we as in arch's package has a .hook
2023-01-24 19:02:53	lolok	[without some failover]
2023-01-24 19:03:19	Corbit	Thanks! Because it happend to me and I just found out that lots of errors in the log of dovecot and postfix since the upgrade without reboot.
2023-01-24 19:03:50	Corbit	Will definatly need a monitoring app too.
2023-01-24 19:04:10	jelle	Corbit: use checkservices from pacman-contrib
2023-01-24 19:04:40	grawity	AFAIK systemctl does also have a function where package managers could "tag" services as needing restart, and then you can mass-restart them
2023-01-24 19:04:43	grawity	not sure if any distro uses that
2023-01-24 19:05:02	Corbit	thanks for the hint, jelle.
2023-01-24 19:06:36	Corbit	Lots of "postfix/submission/smtpd[987247]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms" errors and warnings like
2023-01-24 19:06:42	Corbit	"warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/bin/smtpd pid 987098 exit status 1
2023-01-24 19:06:43	Corbit	Jan 20 10:35:23 mail.capitol-hv.de postfix/master[120260]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/bin/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling
2023-01-24 19:06:45	Corbit	y
2023-01-24 19:06:57	grawity	does that go away after restart?
2023-01-24 19:07:02	grawity	are you using cyrus or dovecot SASL?
2023-01-24 19:07:06	Corbit	It looks like it does.
2023-01-24 19:07:11	Corbit	dovecot SASL
2023-01-24 19:09:04	Namarrgon	after how many days of uptime do you get the exclamation mark in htop?
2023-01-24 19:09:20	grawity	100 afaik
2023-01-24 19:09:29	susi	iirc ^
2023-01-24 19:10:04	susi	that '!' means one has accomplished something cool
2023-01-24 19:10:47	gehidore	⁶
2023-01-24 19:11:46	Aryan	glances is the best
2023-01-24 19:11:49	Namarrgon	hm, that's the highest level unfortunately
2023-01-24 19:12:05	bookworm	being vulnerable to all kinds of CVE's most likely
2023-01-24 19:12:35	katt	bookworm: being vulnerable to surprise friend visits
2023-01-24 19:12:47	bookworm	without knocking, too
2023-01-24 19:13:01	katt	wouldn't be a surprise otherwise
2023-01-24 19:13:10	Aryan	glances?
2023-01-24 19:13:21	susi	community/glances
2023-01-24 19:13:25	Namarrgon	grawity: yeah, for services that are relatively self-contained a try-restart hook would work fine
2023-01-24 19:21:29	gehidore	what if they knock and run away?
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2023-01-27 19:45:49	mattf	latest kernel updates completely broke suspending for me, laptop with nvidia. Instead of suspending it weirdly reboots
2023-01-27 19:46:54	thrice	what does dmesg, or journal for systemd-logind say?
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2023-01-27 19:49:01	teraflops	mattf: not big news sadly
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2023-01-27 19:49:13	mattf	teraflops: hmm?
2023-01-27 19:49:28	mattf	so is that back on being the norm for laptops
2023-01-27 19:49:56	teraflops	suspend/hibernation breaking with new kernel happens a lot
2023-01-27 19:50:22	mattf	oh it was fine for me for 2 years
2023-01-27 19:50:28	mattf	Jan 26 00:07:23 arch-matheus kernel: NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 525.85.05, but NVRM: this kernel module has the version 525.78.01.  Please NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver NVRM: components have the same version.
2023-01-27 19:50:30	teraflops	lucky you
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2023-01-27 19:50:37	mattf	I am getting that a lot what is that
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2023-01-27 19:50:52	thrice	did you not update the nvidia driver?
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2023-01-27 19:51:02	mattf	i did pacman -Syu
2023-01-27 19:51:09	thrice	doesn't sound related to the suspend problem though
2023-01-27 19:51:26	thrice	pacman -Q nvidia ?
2023-01-27 19:51:37	susi	>nvidia -- nuf said
2023-01-27 19:51:42	Scimmia	mattf: that means you either didn't reboot or you didn't rebuild your initramfs
2023-01-27 19:51:46	mattf	$ pacman -Q nvidia nvidia 525.85.05-1
2023-01-27 19:51:47	mattf	oooh
2023-01-27 19:51:56	mattf	i did reboot because suspend forced me to
2023-01-27 19:51:58	thrice	and you probably need -2
2023-01-27 19:52:24	mattf	how t o rebuild initramfs btw
2023-01-27 19:52:28	teraflops	there's a hook to rebuild the mkinitcpio when nvidia driver gets updated
2023-01-27 19:52:30	Scimmia	with mkinitcpio
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2023-01-27 19:54:12	teraflops	mattf: consider using https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#pacman_hook
2023-01-27 19:54:14	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-01-27 19:54:20	mattf	i have it teraflops 
2023-01-27 19:54:25	teraflops	oh, hmm
2023-01-27 19:54:26	mattf	i just wanted to do manually
2023-01-27 19:54:58	thrice	mkinitcpio has a --help
2023-01-27 19:55:42	mattf	I do have Jan 27 00:58:45 arch-matheus systemd[1]: Starting System Suspend... Jan 27 00:58:45 arch-matheus systemd-sleep[2401310]: Entering sleep state 'suspend'... Jan 27 00:58:45 arch-matheus kernel: PM: suspend entry (deep)
2023-01-27 19:56:09	mattf	then out of the blue
2023-01-27 19:56:20	mattf	-- Boot 399d7cef36af4ae6bd90e5b90f2d8564 -- Jan 27 00:59:20 arch-matheus kernel: Linux version 6.1.7-arch1-1 (linux@archlinux) (gcc (GCC) 12.2.1 20230111, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.40) #> Jan 27 00:59:20 arch-matheus kernel: Command line: \\vmlinuz-linux root=UUID=c802e2b4-6e37-4fb7-b6a2-f668d1fcbfb4 rw add_efi_memmap resume=U
2023-01-27 19:56:23	mattf	it boots again
2023-01-27 19:56:36	susi	isn't add_efi_memmap redundant nowadays?
2023-01-27 19:56:45	susi	(or is this hw-dependent?)
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2023-01-27 19:57:06	thrice	it's still in the arch example file
2023-01-27 19:57:24	teraflops	susi: tbh nvidia here and it behaves very well
2023-01-27 19:57:39	thrice	I mean, both your kernel and driver are behind
2023-01-27 19:57:59	thrice	I would fully update, rebuild your initramfs, and reboot before doing much else
2023-01-27 19:58:10	mattf	sure
2023-01-27 19:58:23	mattf	but why it simply decides to boot again after suspending
2023-01-27 19:58:31	mattf	besides booting from scratch
2023-01-27 19:58:39	mattf	not restoring the suspended state
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2023-01-27 20:00:09	mattf	are any of this improtant? http://ix.io/4mmO
2023-01-27 20:00:22	mattf	qla1280, bfa, qed, xhci_pci
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2023-01-27 20:02:41	Tom^	i got no idea how it impacts things but i got annoyed of seeing them. https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mkinitcpio-firmware installing this and its deps and they are gone :P
2023-01-27 20:02:42	Scimmia	they're important, but the warnings are pretty normal now
2023-01-27 20:02:46	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - mkinitcpio-firmware (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-01-27 20:03:25	Scimmia	installing hundereds of MB just to get rid of a few warnings that don't matter? Sure, sounds like a good idea
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2023-01-27 20:04:57	mattf	Scimmia: are they important or not? Could it be related to suspend issues?
2023-01-27 20:05:21	teraflops	not related
2023-01-27 20:05:25	Scimmia	the modules are important, they warnings are not unless you have very specific hardward. No, it is not related to suspend issues in any way
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2023-01-27 20:22:36	michelesr[m]	I'm trying to find the location of a unix socket, what does @ mean ? e.g. from strace -> bind(3, {sa_family=AF_UNIX, sun_path=@"powerline-ipc-1000"}, 21) = 0  
2023-01-27 20:23:07	michelesr[m]	I can see the same @ in the output of lsof 
2023-01-27 20:23:11	susi	michelesr[m]: it's an abstract socket
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2023-01-27 20:23:52	michelesr[m]	how do processes connect to abstract sockets ? 
2023-01-27 20:24:16	heat	normally
2023-01-27 20:24:25	michelesr[m]	actually, let me read the documentation, thanks for the clue!
2023-01-27 20:24:38	heat	fd = socket(...); connect(fd, {AF_UNIX, @address, len});
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2023-01-27 20:25:31	heat	the only difference is that abstract sockets do not have a filesystem location
2023-01-27 20:25:34	michelesr[m]	any way I can use lsof to see who's using that abstract socket?
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2023-01-27 20:32:31	michelesr[m]	nevermind, I was able to strace the connect() from the client process and returned 0, so I guess it's all right... still I wonder how do you find all the pids connected (I usually lsof /path/of/socket to do that)
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2023-01-27 20:37:51	teraflops	michelesr[m]: lsof -U ?
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2023-01-27 20:42:10	michelesr[m]	teraflops: it won't print the PID of the process using it I think (but I can see (CONNECTED) ) 
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2023-01-27 20:42:24	ℹ 	bluetail9 es conocido ahora como bluetail
2023-01-27 20:42:26	teraflops	isnt there a pid column?
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2023-01-27 20:43:01	michelesr[m]	yes but it prints the PID of the server, not the one for the client
2023-01-27 20:43:05	teraflops	ah
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2023-01-27 21:13:59	manuels	whats the easiest way to implement a rest api? 1 put 3 get endpoints.
2023-01-27 21:14:04	manuels	slim is not
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2023-01-27 21:42:58	AlexC	hmm
2023-01-27 21:43:04	AlexC	came across a weird one
2023-01-27 21:43:19	AlexC	using gnome with x, night light doesn't apply on login
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2023-01-27 21:43:33	AlexC	when I try to adjust it from display settings, it completly locks up my system
2023-01-27 21:43:34	AlexC	lel
2023-01-27 21:43:39	AlexC	any clues?
2023-01-27 21:44:46	AlexC	turned off and back on applied the setting
2023-01-27 21:44:50	AlexC	weird
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2023-02-09 19:24:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2023-02-09 19:24:04	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1491 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1490 normals)
2023-02-09 19:24:04	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-02-09 19:25:52	rcf	Swahili: check the journal for the actual error, this just complaining about there being too many in quick succession. 
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2023-02-09 19:26:10	Swahili	rcf: thanks for looking! I'll do that and share
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2023-02-09 19:32:05	Swahili	https://paste.sh/aGOoHAFr#FLuQjAkhDx0F_WMNiedv0Kws can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
2023-02-09 19:32:06	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/Hrzi.txt
2023-02-09 19:32:06	phrik	Title: paste.sh · encrypted pastebin (at paste.sh)
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2023-02-09 19:33:19	kevr	Swahili: pacman -Q linux && uname -r
2023-02-09 19:33:39	Swahili	kevr:  linux 6.1.10.arch1-1, 6.1.9-arch1-1
2023-02-09 19:33:47	emberquill	Swahili: Reboot
2023-02-09 19:33:52	kevr	you need to reboot, you have a pending kernel upgrade
2023-02-09 19:35:01	Swahili	emberquill: kevr thanks for letting me know! Maybe you people can give me a suggestion for this case, my use-case is a script that the end user has to run to install an application. It's an automated process. For the case where this error happens, which is likely if they spin up a vps as I did with Linode
2023-02-09 19:35:20	Swahili	what could I do to make sure the user prepares the system before proceeding with the installation?
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2023-02-09 19:35:29	kevr	uhhh
2023-02-09 19:35:35	Swahili	Is there a kernel upgrade command that they can maybe run beforehand?
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2023-02-09 19:36:08	Swahili	Sorry if this sounds a bit odd, but just thinking loud and looking for a some ideas to better improve the experience to the end user
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2023-02-09 19:36:31	Scimmia	Doesn't sound like that end user should be running Arch
2023-02-09 19:36:38	kevr	it's not possible to automate this completely unless you have control over power of the target machine, or you have kexec configured in some way
2023-02-09 19:36:43	kevr	even then, it'd be brutish
2023-02-09 19:36:54	Swahili	I see!
2023-02-09 19:37:05	kevr	require that they're up to date, that's all that can really be done. what scimmia said.
2023-02-09 19:37:36	Swahili	but is this whats blocking docker from starting? and could it be that it might not happen to most users?
2023-02-09 19:37:47	emberquill	kevr gave a bit more detail in their responses but yeah, you need to reboot when the kernel updates. There isn't really a way around that unless you have kernel livepatching, which is way more complicated to configure than just remembering to reboot after major updates.
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2023-02-09 19:38:22	Swahili	emberquill: cool! I'll check the -Q flag to understand how you people identified that was the issue :)
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2023-02-09 19:38:38	kevr	Swahili: your current problem is due to docker setting up firewall chains for the docker network. i think you could disable this, but then you'd have no networking.
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2023-02-09 19:39:41	kevr	docker itself doesn't have direct connection to the outside world by default, so docker has to setup nat rules in order for a default docker machine to be able to speak with the network "normally"
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2023-02-09 19:40:17	kevr	it also does stuff with forwards for docker-compose mappings
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2023-02-09 19:40:24	Swahili	kevr: yes that makes sense
2023-02-09 19:40:55	Swahili	kevr: thus, while the kernel update was pending, the docker issue is separate, a user who installs docker has to reboot the system. correct? I think I can let the user know after the docker installation completes
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2023-02-09 19:41:23	Scimmia	why would they have to reboot for docker?
2023-02-09 19:41:54	kevr	the problem here is really due to the kernel mismatch. controlling iptables takes a kernel module, when you upgrade your kernel, you can no longer load the module for your old kernel
2023-02-09 19:42:06	kevr	so the reboot puts you into an environment on your most upgraded kernel, where the module can load
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2023-02-09 19:43:45	Swahili	Scimmia: unfortunately I was stuck and kevr and emberquill helped out with this, where kevr put a nice explanation of why this is, which lead to fix it to me (which I confirm reboot solved) and knowing about it, if I user has to install docker then I'll request a reboot too. Less troubleshooting :)
2023-02-09 19:44:20	kevr	docker itself doesn't require a reboot.
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2023-02-09 19:45:13	Swahili	kevr: what'd be the command or process to verify if there are pending reboots? As I'd like to illustrate in the readme
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2023-02-09 19:45:54	kevr	the one we just ran can tell you. essentially, we're comparing the running kernel version (uname -r) with the package version installed by Arch Linux
2023-02-09 19:46:09	alad	kevr: do iptables rules stop working without the module or
2023-02-09 19:46:23	Swahili	kevr: makes sense! Awesome, I can compute it and show the message
2023-02-09 19:46:27	kevr	alad: haven't confirmed myself, but, they should.
2023-02-09 19:46:48	emberquill	Speaking of kernels, is there any benefit to using the zen kernel any more? I installed it a few years ago for FSYNC to boost performance of games in wine, but with futex2 merged into mainline back in 2021 I think that benefit is gone.
2023-02-09 19:46:50	Swahili	Thanks a lot everyone, that was very kind and saved me a lot of time! Just added support for archlinux, and very glad I tried.
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2023-02-09 19:46:59	kevr	\o/
2023-02-09 19:47:09	alad	kevr: brilliant
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2023-02-09 19:47:51	Tom^	emberquill: with the various hundred different benchmarks. its almost within the margin of error in games.
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2023-02-09 19:48:04	dmc	d_garbage, can you make !panic point directly to the image https://eured.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/oh-noes-everybody-panic.gif please
2023-02-09 19:49:02	emberquill	Tom^: Yeah, that's what I figured. Fsync was a game-changer for me, massively boosting fps and general performance in Windows games in wine, but with futex2 in mainline I might as well switch back to the default kernel now.
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2023-02-09 20:12:17	haroon	hello I'm cant seem to troubleshoot a issue I'm having with audio. When I start playing a video I don't the sound to play until I click the audio tray icon in plasma kde.
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2023-02-09 20:20:03	netmonk	or what would be the standard way to create the hashed password to give to useradd -p hashversionpassword
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2023-02-09 20:22:00	Namarrgon	VectorNormal: grub is loading because you either have an nvram entry for it or the payload is installed into the default loader path on one of the ESPs
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2023-02-09 20:27:02	VectorNormal	Namarrgon, Thank you. That's more info than I've been able to discover in the last 3 days of searching
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2023-02-09 20:28:04	VectorNormal	As far as I knew, when booting EFISTUB, there was no way for grub to interfere. I've never issued a grub command. I'll have to look into it
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2023-02-09 20:30:36	Namarrgon	you or someone else did install grub at some point, it might have been from a previous distro, too
2023-02-09 20:32:25	VectorNormal	I came from grub loading Manjaro just before pure Arch... I think that lines up
2023-02-09 20:32:33	VectorNormal	Thank you
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2023-02-09 20:35:06	Namarrgon	remove it from the default loader path, it's useless if you no longer have the matching modules installed
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2023-02-09 20:41:28	VectorNormal	When you say "default loader path" do you mean UEFI entry path, or ESP boot/efi/ path, or something else? Because I can't find anything grub related in those places. And only a bootx64.efi file
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2023-02-09 20:43:40	teraflops	use find or tree command 
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2023-02-09 20:45:13	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#Default_boot_path_for_removable_drives
2023-02-09 20:45:14	phrik	Title: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-02-09 20:48:14	VectorNormal	Thank you very very much. I feel like I have enough info to resolve this when I can access the computer again. Take care!
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2023-02-10 18:38:03	teraflops	phrik: are you ok?
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2023-02-17 08:20:00	pulec	there is issue with qgis package, they require python-owslib and python-gdal
2023-02-17 08:21:10	pulec	the only current python- packages in depends of qgis are some qt5 stuff
2023-02-17 08:24:14	pulec	should be easy fix, should I file bug for this?
2023-02-17 08:37:23	pants	!paste
2023-02-17 08:37:24	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-02-17 09:04:51	tmpm697	hi all,
2023-02-17 09:06:27	tmpm697	i'm trying to install gitlab on archlinux and got this issue when i try to issue this command `sudo -u gitlab $(cat environment | xargs) bundle-2.7 exec rake gitlab:setup --trace`
2023-02-17 09:06:38	tmpm697	here full logs: https://0x0.st/Hrnf.txt
2023-02-17 09:13:19	Gagis	"File "/usr/share/webapps/gitlab/config/secrets.yml" is a symlink that does not point to a valid file" seems to be the relevant bit. I suppose you must create such a file as secrets cant exactly be provided with the package
2023-02-17 10:06:38	tyler82	what distro? 🤨
2023-02-17 10:18:49	SysGhost	Gagis: check which package that owns it: pacman -Qo /usr/share/webapps/gitlab/config/secrets.yml
2023-02-17 10:24:16	tyler82	since last update of network manager the loopback network interface: lo is visible on my available networks list on KDE Plasma. I just dont want to see it and want to hide just as it was before. But i cant find the option for it...🤔
2023-02-17 10:31:53	benoliver999	Just switched to pipewire, using wireplumber as a session manager. Works great, except that I couldn't disable bluetooth profile switching using the config file mentioned in the wiki. Instead, I went into pavucontrol, switched profile there and the setting seems to have stuck. Is this worth putting in the wiki? I'm not sure how to word it because I'm not sure of the root cause of the issue
2023-02-17 10:36:33	luigibu	tyler82: in teory.. you could add the interface (lo) here /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/unmanaged.conf and should be hidden.. i tried it.. did not work for me.. let me find the wiki.. hold on
2023-02-17 10:37:22	luigibu	here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NetworkManager
2023-02-17 10:37:22	phrik	Title: NetworkManager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-02-17 10:37:45	luigibu	tyler82: 7.7 Ignoring specific devices
2023-02-17 10:38:10	luigibu	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NetworkManager#Ignore_specific_devices
2023-02-17 10:38:10	phrik	Title: NetworkManager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-02-17 10:44:24	ecraven	a bit off-topic, but how do I set a variable in a makefile to the result of a shell command? like I would run FOO=$(ls) in shell, how do I do that in a Makefile so that I can use it in the following lines?
2023-02-17 10:49:42	luigibu	ecraven: try FOO := $(ls)
2023-02-17 10:49:59	ecraven	luigibu: will that work *inside* a rule?
2023-02-17 10:50:04	ecraven	not globally?
2023-02-17 10:50:35	luigibu	not sure honestly.. in not that familiar with makefile.. just the basics.. 
2023-02-17 10:50:50	luigibu	i just took as example my job project makefile
2023-02-17 10:52:55	ecraven	I should really learn make properly Some Day Real Soon Now™
2023-02-17 10:54:36	tyler82	luigibu: thanks pal. i will try it. 😉👌👍
2023-02-17 10:57:11	zenof	I would like to link (or mount with bind?) /mnt/myfolder to /home/user/myfolder-linked 
2023-02-17 10:57:11	zenof	is there a way to create a (symbolic) link in a way so thunar by default acts on file operations as if the target was on another filesystem, eg. copies instead of moving for drag and drop.
2023-02-17 11:02:29	tirnanog	zenof: no.
2023-02-17 11:07:04	tirnanog	zenof: I don't understand your use case exactly but bindfs might fulfil it.
2023-02-17 11:12:59	zenof	my use case would be that I have a handy handle (in my $HOME) to copy files from another place (eg. /mnt/somemount) to some places within my $HOME without accidentally moving them.
2023-02-17 11:17:43	zenof	seems as if `mount --bind` and make the fs ro for now is closest to what I want.
2023-02-17 11:24:04	hoodedfigure	Do you think I shuld still be waiting for an answer after all this chatter or just give up?
2023-02-17 11:27:36	Ennea	i don't even know what your question is
2023-02-17 11:30:18	Khorne	hoodedfigure, works for me in FF at least 
2023-02-17 11:35:26	geekodour	what's the ideal thing to do if i see a AUR package which is not updated in while but maintained by someone else and hasn't responded in a while. I want to install a tool, i can get the latest from github but the AUR package is outdated, is it a good idea to create a new AUR package? i am afraid it'll pollute unnecessarily. What's the suggested
2023-02-17 11:35:26	geekodour	approach here? 
2023-02-17 11:36:50	Ennea	if you are logged in, you should see an "orphan request" in the "package actions" box on the page of that package
2023-02-17 11:37:08	Ennea	this requires the package to be flagged out-of-date, though
2023-02-17 11:37:12	Khorne	geekodour, download the pkgbuild, fix it to the new version, create and install package from that
2023-02-17 11:37:19	Ennea	quoting the AUR front page here: "Orphan Request: Request a package to be disowned, e.g. when the maintainer is inactive and the package has been flagged out-of-date for a long time."
2023-02-17 11:51:24	MrElendig	geekodour: is it a -git package?
2023-02-17 11:57:13	geekodour	MrElendig : it has both -git and the normal ones. both seem out of date and by different maintainers. I am not logged in atm, ill follow what Ennea mentioned. 
2023-02-17 11:58:36	Khorne	-git package is *probably* not actually out of date..
2023-02-17 11:58:37	geekodour	Khorne : Do I'll have to maintain the pkgbuild for myself right? do I publish it anywhere where anyone else looking for an updated AUR package can use it till the orphan request/out-of-date thing gets resolved?
2023-02-17 11:59:37	Khorne	geekodour, *shrug* up to you really, mind orphaning a package does not mean that someone is going to update it either, it just means that it's free to be picked up by a new maintainer
2023-02-17 12:00:11	Khorne	Orphan requests also have a two week grace period for the current maintainer to take action
2023-02-17 12:04:18	gromit	geekodour: that would be a duplicate package, so dont put it in the aur ... You can always comment on the original package tho
2023-02-17 12:06:04	geekodour	Khrone : Thanks, got it. About -git package, i was looking at the "Last Updated" field. Seems like it's fetching from main branch of the repo so should be fine. Looks like for this -git package will make things happen for me. Anyway, learned something new, W. thanks!
2023-02-17 12:06:38	geekodour	gromit: Yes, got it. I
2023-02-17 12:08:37	hoodedfigure	Khorne: I realized that Firefox did not run as a Wayland client. Maybe that fixed it now. Thanks for the response, anyway :)
2023-02-17 12:31:10	konek_	how do GPG keys help with packages?
2023-02-17 12:32:52	mpan	konek_: help in what way?
2023-02-17 12:33:40	mpan	konek_: let me rephrase. What do you mean by “help with packages”?
2023-02-17 12:34:04	konek_	liike, with package authenticity
2023-02-17 12:34:15	mpan	konek_: they prove a package comes from the packager.
2023-02-17 12:34:50	konek_	what would happen if a key gets compromised?
2023-02-17 12:35:14	mpan	Then the adversary would be able to falsify such a proof.
2023-02-17 12:35:53	konek_	what should the packager do
2023-02-17 12:36:25	mpan	Revoke the key. That would be passed to archlinux-keyring and the users see that during the next update.
2023-02-17 12:36:35	konek_	also what happens if a package is not maintained and its key gets compromised?
2023-02-17 12:37:05	mpan	Keys are not bound to any particular package, so there is no “what if PARTICULAR package is not maintained”.
2023-02-17 12:37:33	konek_	ok, what if the packager is no longer active
2023-02-17 12:38:17	mpan	Packager being active or not doesn’t change the state of a compromised key. The key is still compromised and the adversary may use it to sign packages.
2023-02-17 12:39:48	konek_	would all the packages stay on the server?
2023-02-17 12:40:12	mpan	I do not get the question. What packages would stay? How is that related to keys being compromised?
2023-02-17 12:41:05	konek_	like if a packager is no longer active and the key of said packager gets compromised, what is to stop someone with access to said key from spoofing the identify of the packager and submitting new or modified packages?
2023-02-17 12:42:24	konek_	either directly to the server or from a custom repository claiming to be from the packager
2023-02-17 12:43:10	mpan	I believe you misunderstand the role of the signatures. They prove TO THE USER, that the package comes from a packager. Not to some server.
2023-02-17 12:43:51	mpan	Nothing prevents an adversary from uploading a package to some server, but for that key doesn’t have to be compromised.
2023-02-17 12:44:19	mpan	The role of the signature is to protect THE USER from installing such a package.
2023-02-17 12:45:17	konek_	so if the key is compromised then anyone can claim to be the packager and get users to install malicious packages?
2023-02-17 12:45:41	mpan	Yes, assuming they can make user download such a package.
2023-02-17 12:45:48	konek_	alright
2023-02-17 12:47:24	konek_	if such a case happens, what can be done to prevent installation of such packages signed with this key
2023-02-17 12:47:31	mpan	Nothing
2023-02-17 12:48:00	jmariondev	key revocation is the way out
2023-02-17 12:48:11	mpan	The situation falls back to what it would be without PGP.
2023-02-17 12:48:28	mpan	jmariondev: please see the backlog.
2023-02-17 12:49:40	konek_	if a key gets compromised can it be revoked from the official keyring package if either requested or knowledge about such compromized key is known?
2023-02-17 12:50:02	konek_	or much users manually revoke the key
2023-02-17 12:50:03	mpan	konek_: yes, but you already moved to a scenario where maintainer is not active.
2023-02-17 12:50:05	jmariondev	mpan: i saw that, but konek did not respond to your comment about revocation. "prevent installation of such packages" could only be achieved once the key was revoked in the keyring
2023-02-17 12:50:38	konek_	alright
2023-02-17 12:51:43	jmariondev	reproducible packages would help here, but is not yet integrated into package distribution as it doesn't work for all packages
2023-02-17 12:52:09	jmariondev	one could imagine a future where packages are also distributed with additional counter-signatures from different "auditors" that confirm that the package their infra built matches the one distributed by the distro
2023-02-17 12:52:21	konek_	and yes, but in both cases the key can be explicitly requested revocation by the maintainer, or requested with proof of compromise, from a third party/non-maintainer, right?
2023-02-17 12:53:30	opt1mus	define compromise
2023-02-17 12:54:01	mpan	I do not know the current policies, but I am pretty sure there is a route to drop a key from archlinux-keyring even without owner’s coöperation. I mean… organizational, because technically it’s not a problem at all.
2023-02-17 12:54:51	konek_	opt1mus: like, if someone is able to sign the package with the exact same key used by the maintainer in order to make it seem like X package comes from the maintainer due to the matching signature
2023-02-17 12:55:12	konek_	mpan: alright
2023-02-17 12:56:24	opt1mus	this comes down to a human thing, is there a real question amongst all this?
2023-02-17 12:56:49	konek_	no
2023-02-17 12:57:09	opt1mus	if someone matched a key to gain access to your house, how would you know someone has been going in there?
2023-02-17 12:59:46	opt1mus	to loop it back, if someone was building malicious packages for Arch or other, if the original maintainer was dead, or otherwise no longer involved; it's then a question of a flesh-bag noticing uploads
2023-02-17 13:00:59	konek_	yup
2023-02-17 13:01:13	konek_	or malicious behaviour
2023-02-17 13:01:49	opt1mus	assuming 'compromised' as someone other than the key owner, able to sign things
2023-02-17 13:01:51	ponies	how do you get the key again? 
2023-02-17 13:02:38	konek_	ponies: i dont think it is a good idea to talk about that
2023-02-17 13:02:41	ponies	step 1 : ? ... 
2023-02-17 13:02:48	opt1mus	eh?
2023-02-17 13:03:11	opt1mus	it's all off-piste anyway #aot
2023-02-17 13:04:30	konek_	can any other encryption be used to sign and verify packages?
2023-02-17 13:04:48	konek_	such as SHA1, MDA5, ARGON, ect
2023-02-17 13:05:22	konek_	(as long as such implementations can be implemented into the server and package manager)
2023-02-17 13:05:25	ponies	there is pgp key check and sha1 checksum
2023-02-17 13:05:50	jmariondev	PGP uses those hash algorithms beneath the hood
2023-02-17 13:06:10	ponies	and you can skip all that by using  --skipinteg
2023-02-17 13:06:20	Foxboron	It's quite clear they don't understand the difference between an hash algorithm and signature schemes
2023-02-17 13:06:27	Foxboron	fwiw
2023-02-17 13:06:28	opt1mus	something something sha1 collision
2023-02-17 13:07:17	konek_	Foxboron: i dont
2023-02-17 13:07:36	opt1mus	I feel like there is a question here
2023-02-17 13:08:04	Foxboron	konek_: Hash algorithms like sha1/md5/sha256 etc checks the integrity of the file. "Has the file changes?" "Do we have the same file?"
2023-02-17 13:08:24	jmariondev	seems to me just questioning the hardness of package signatures
2023-02-17 13:08:26	Foxboron	Signature schemes gives us authenticity "did this person sign this file?"
2023-02-17 13:08:42	Foxboron	Or "did this identitiy approve this file/change"
2023-02-17 13:08:50	konek_	hmm alright
2023-02-17 13:08:59	Foxboron	s/changes/changed/
2023-02-17 13:09:00	opt1mus	like, can or; did whoever has access to this key, sign this thing
2023-02-17 13:09:09	opt1mus	s/like,//
2023-02-17 13:09:27	Foxboron	opt1mus: We are explaining it first, making it into a problem comes later
2023-02-17 13:10:44	konek_	so i should use PGP to verify identity of packages, and not rely on hash/password/encryption to verify the identity of packages?
2023-02-17 13:11:26	Foxboron	PGP can be used to encrypt, sign and verify things. It's a complicated tool with a lot of usages
2023-02-17 13:11:39	Foxboron	The purpose of PGP in Arch, and other distributions, is to validate packages
2023-02-17 13:11:55	konek_	alright
2023-02-17 13:13:01	jmariondev	it does make you wonder how the package keys are stored though. iirc there's a "signing server" that package maintainers ssh into? do the keys just exist as files on disk (perhaps with a password-protected key?) that seems like an obvious server to target for someone that wanted to introduce bad (perhaps stealthily modified) packages to the distro
2023-02-17 13:13:44	Foxboron	Arch does not have a signing enclave. All packages are signed by induvidual maintainers. Key storage etc is all up to the induvidual maintainer
2023-02-17 13:13:47	jmariondev	(ignoring the additional problem of actually uploading packages to mirrors)
2023-02-17 13:14:20	Foxboron	If you want me to elaborate on how you protect against malicious signatures, and other supply chain issues, that is another complicated topic but which I am very familiar with :p
2023-02-17 13:14:22	opt1mus	and then; key-master of a project
2023-02-17 13:14:22	konek_	so, PGP can be used to sign the packages, and if compromized, the PGP can be revoked at request otherwise, if not requested, the PGP and all packages signed with the PGP will stay on the server ?
2023-02-17 13:14:24	jmariondev	are packages built on central build infra, or by packagers themselves?
2023-02-17 13:14:27	Foxboron	(I wrote a master thesis on the subject)
2023-02-17 13:14:51	Foxboron	jmariondev: You decide, some people have build servers closer to them they prefer to use, but we have beefy machines available for packages.
2023-02-17 13:14:53	Foxboron	Some build locally
2023-02-17 13:15:04	Foxboron	konek_: yes.
2023-02-17 13:15:04	ponies	yes it can be revoked 
2023-02-17 13:15:41	ponies	you are just verifying the owner of whatever package it is
2023-02-17 13:16:15	konek_	Foxboron: alright, if a key is revoked, do all packages belonging to the key get removed from the server? if so how quickly are would one expect them to be removed?
2023-02-17 13:17:16	Foxboron	konek_: Keys being revoked has happened several times for different reasons (non malicious so far), and that can be done independently and coordinated before keyring releases
2023-02-17 13:17:27	latef02	hello i have this problem please i change the name of user and home folder and after that i suddenly put my password in su even its the right password but its not work 
2023-02-17 13:17:30	Foxboron	Signing key compromises are generally rare and hasnt happened
2023-02-17 13:18:00	ponies	latef02: faillock --reset 
2023-02-17 13:18:15	ponies	and check if systemd-homed failed 
2023-02-17 13:18:22	konek_	what happens to the packages on the server if a key gets revoked?
2023-02-17 13:18:31	Foxboron	They get rebuilt and distributed as a normal update
2023-02-17 13:18:54	ponies	konek_: servers are mirrors. packages are not removed even if there is a key error for one. pacman will fail though 
2023-02-17 13:19:31	latef02	ponies, still not work 
2023-02-17 13:19:44	latef02	i put it 3 times but not work for me 
2023-02-17 13:19:45	konek_	do the packages stay on the server even if the key is known to be compromised?
2023-02-17 13:20:02	ponies	latef02: systemctl restart systemd-homed
2023-02-17 13:20:28	Foxboron	konek_: Mirrors sync from a centralized server, it's not one server. If a key where to be compromised the key would be revoked, distributed and packages rebuilt
2023-02-17 13:21:16	opt1mus	there would be a delay in sync of course, which is normal, some servers more prone than others
2023-02-17 13:21:25	latef02	ponies, ==== AUTHENTICATION COMPLETE ====
2023-02-17 13:21:25	latef02	 / but still not work sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts
2023-02-17 13:21:46	latef02	but it work if i write su and chnage to root
2023-02-17 13:21:50	jmariondev	Foxboron: thanks for the insight! i thought i read somewhere about an enclave but that must have just been a discussion
2023-02-17 13:22:15	konek_	so if malicious packages get uploaded before the key is revoked, they would stay on the server?
2023-02-17 13:22:25	Foxboron	jmariondev: It was a proposal but nothing has happened. We need to figure out keystorage and that is blocked on the logistics of provisioning a HSM and sending it to a datacenter we can access
2023-02-17 13:22:47	opt1mus	konek_: they'd get synced up to key revoked, yes
2023-02-17 13:22:54	Foxboron	konek_: you are talking about theoretical stuff. Yes it would.
2023-02-17 13:23:01	ponies	you can faillock --user latef02 --reset from root? 
2023-02-17 13:23:19	Foxboron	jmariondev: and well, more effort is currently being put into moving us from svn to git
2023-02-17 13:23:42	konek_	alright, such a malicious package can be proven to be malicious, can it be requested to be removed from the server
2023-02-17 13:23:52	Foxboron	konek_: what server?
2023-02-17 13:23:55	konek_	if such*
2023-02-17 13:24:12	konek_	Foxboron: whatever currently hosts said package
2023-02-17 13:24:20	latef02	ponies, iwill try from root 
2023-02-17 13:24:34	Foxboron	konek_: 100 induvidual servers host packages. They are synced from a centralized server on a timer between minutes and hours
2023-02-17 13:25:36	opt1mus	muddying things; there's also at least one server hosting a history of packages, what their policy is \_(o,o)_/
2023-02-17 13:25:58	konek_	if a package is known to be malicious and its pgp known to be revoked, what can be done to remove such a package in order to protect users?
2023-02-17 13:25:59	ponies	there is always the AUR if you would like to infect some packages there, that would be a great help
2023-02-17 13:26:14	Foxboron	konek_: it would be rebuilt and distributed as a normal package update.
2023-02-17 13:26:31	latef02	ponies, sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts
2023-02-17 13:26:31	latef02	 no nothing happened even when i run this cmd from root (faillock --user latef02 --reset)
2023-02-17 13:26:58	ponies	firstly pacman would fail so the package wouldn't get installed in the first place
2023-02-17 13:26:59	gromit	latef02: What groups is your user in? 
2023-02-17 13:27:35	konek_	like, what can be done to make the package unavailable for downloading/loopup by packman and also fail to be found directly on the servers that contain the package
2023-02-17 13:28:04	Foxboron	konek_: nothing
2023-02-17 13:28:10	konek_	oh ok
2023-02-17 13:28:12	opt1mus	konek_: pacman checks, if key thingmabobs are up to date, it'll fail to install
2023-02-17 13:28:29	Foxboron	Assuming the keyring updates hits before the installation, which is rarely wont
2023-02-17 13:29:50	konek_	so a user can download said package via pacman and then manually install by unpackaging and manually executing all required steps of a normal install but skipping the pgp check ?
2023-02-17 13:30:24	konek_	assuming such a user is determined to install the package
2023-02-17 13:30:25	opt1mus	if a user was stupid enough to deliberately skip sign checking
2023-02-17 13:30:38	konek_	yea
2023-02-17 13:31:21	konek_	but other than that, the packages stay on the servers more or less forever?
2023-02-17 13:31:46	opt1mus	'the server'?
2023-02-17 13:31:50	ponies	the servers are distributed. there are no Arch servers
2023-02-17 13:32:22	opt1mus	it's the internet, whatever reaches it is copied to who-know-where and everywhere along a path of nodes
2023-02-17 13:32:46	ponies	archlinux.org i suppose 
2023-02-17 13:33:25	konek_	the packages would be available for download forever from the official repositories/servers until removed for whatever reason, right?
2023-02-17 13:34:04	ponies	the servers are all in sync with each others. any package or group of packages may be changed or removed at any time for any reason
2023-02-17 13:34:09	jmariondev	IIUC normal mirrors only hold packages until they're removed upstream. after that they'd only be available from package archives?
2023-02-17 13:34:13	opt1mus	konek_: if you look at the mirros for Arch, there are many, and also legacy packages held on other unofficial servers, so assume yes; all packages that have ever been built for <distro> remain on the internet
2023-02-17 13:34:29	konek_	alright
2023-02-17 13:35:19	opt1mus	data travelling across the internet, without exception; is copied, node to node
2023-02-17 13:35:51	ponies	having a key check fail doesn't mean the package is malicious. it means that the uploader is unverified
2023-02-17 13:36:19	opt1mus	yup, also it may be corrupted download/transfer
2023-02-17 13:37:24	OldTinfoil	G'day all - I have something "unexpected" happening with my dhcpcd.conf file - where's the right place to bother people?
2023-02-17 13:38:07	opt1mus	!ask
2023-02-17 13:38:08	phrik	Don't ask to ask, if anyone is here or alive, or uses something. Just ask, and we'll get moving along. Thanks.
2023-02-17 13:41:54	xecuter	Process '/usr/share/usbmount/usbmount add' failed with exit code 2 <-- what is it means? i just plugged in an usb stick
2023-02-17 13:42:47	Namarrgon	xecuter: uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2023-02-17 13:42:48	ponies	what is usbmount ? 
2023-02-17 13:45:23	xecuter	Namarrgon: 6.1.12-arch1-1    linux 6.1.12.arch1-1
2023-02-17 13:45:36	xecuter	is usbmount uncool?
2023-02-17 13:45:47	Namarrgon	what gives you that output?
2023-02-17 13:45:59	xecuter	journalctl
2023-02-17 13:46:11	Namarrgon	post the rest of the surrounding journal too
2023-02-17 13:46:37	OldTinfoil	Just didn't want to clog up the screen if it wasn't the right place. Basically, I have a static profile defined in my dhcpcd.conf (customer knows best - I've made the usual recommendations about using a reserved IP address). However, we had a system returned to us for unrelated reasons. I have a "static ip_address 192.168.1.x/24" defined (along
2023-02-17 13:46:38	OldTinfoil	with the static router and static dns servers). Our lab network is a 10.1.x.y/23 network
2023-02-17 13:46:38	OldTinfoil	1) Why is our connected device accepting lease information from our DHCP server?
2023-02-17 13:46:39	OldTinfoil	2) Why is the connected device is trying to use a /24 CIDR rather than the /23 that is used on the network if it's accepting a DHCP lease?
2023-02-17 13:47:05	xecuter	sbmount[17352]: executing command: mount -tvfat -osync,noexec,nodev,noatime,nodiratime /dev/sdc2 /media/usb0
2023-02-17 13:47:25	OldTinfoil	(^ https://pastebin.com/CuusmsB9 - pastebin of the .conf file)
2023-02-17 13:47:26	phrik	Title: # A sample configuration for dhcpcd.# See dhcpcd.conf(5) for details.# All - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-02-17 13:47:26	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HrRm.txt
2023-02-17 13:48:34	Namarrgon	OldTinfoil: pacman -Q dhcpcd
2023-02-17 13:49:06	Namarrgon	xecuter: what is sbmount?
2023-02-17 13:50:10	OldTinfoil	Namarrgon: dhcpcd 6.11.5
2023-02-17 13:50:34	Namarrgon	OldTinfoil: which side runs arch linux?
2023-02-17 13:50:48	OldTinfoil	Client side
2023-02-17 13:50:58	Namarrgon	sure?
2023-02-17 13:51:25	OldTinfoil	Pretty sure server side is running EdgeOS
2023-02-17 13:51:27	Namarrgon	 Core dhcpcd 9.4.1-1
2023-02-17 13:51:59	OldTinfoil	Yep - this system has not been connected to the internet for awhile :)
2023-02-17 13:52:50	gromit	OldTinfoil: What I dont really understand so far is why you are using dhcpd if the devices is statically adressed anyways..?
2023-02-17 13:53:30	OldTinfoil	Because it's configurable from the web UI. It can be configured to be static/fallback/dhcp
2023-02-17 13:53:36	Namarrgon	OldTinfoil: uname -a
2023-02-17 13:53:56	xecuter	nam
2023-02-17 13:54:00	xecuter	Namarrgon: https://bpa.st/S7SH6
2023-02-17 13:54:01	phrik	Title: View paste S7SH6 (at bpa.st)
2023-02-17 13:54:51	Namarrgon	xecuter: did you add any udev rules that use 'usbmount'?
2023-02-17 13:54:56	xecuter	Namarrgon: i have plug in into usb3.0 nothing. and with usb2 i get this message. (but with usb2, too -> it is mounted) -> ventoy is installed now
2023-02-17 13:57:46	xecuter	i have connect a usb-c hub for plugin usb stick. ... i  see there this message, too... and it is mounted too. hmmm confusing
2023-02-17 13:58:26	ponies	xecuter: the hardrive is probably drawing too much power
2023-02-17 14:00:56	xecuter	i need POWER? my usb3 hub is "active" .. :-/  the usb2 is normal/passiv 
2023-02-17 14:01:59	Namarrgon	xecuter: pacman -Qo /usr/share/usbmount/usbmount
2023-02-17 14:03:23	xecuter	Namarrgon: in /etc/udev is  in rules.d "udisk"    (brscan3 ; event ; hdparm ; android ; flirc ; udisk2 M xboxdrv) <-- in udev.conf all is "#"
2023-02-17 14:04:00	xecuter	Namarrgon: /usr/share/usbmount/usbmount is in usbmount 0.0.22-1
2023-02-17 14:04:18	xecuter	is that not correct standard-tool for usbsticks?
2023-02-17 14:04:31	Namarrgon	pacman -Qi usbmount
2023-02-17 14:04:48	Namarrgon	if it were standard then it would be in the official repos
2023-02-17 14:05:55	xecuter	Namarrgon: https://bpa.st/XRN5K
2023-02-17 14:05:56	phrik	Title: View paste XRN5K (at bpa.st)
2023-02-17 14:06:36	Namarrgon	why did you install that old crap?
2023-02-17 14:06:48	xecuter	Namarrgon: i had just install because auto-mount usb sticks.... 
2023-02-17 14:07:22	xecuter	Namarrgon: as i had install arch, i had remember that tool and installed it too
2023-02-17 14:07:54	xecuter	Namarrgon: if i uninstall, thant i will have auto-mount my usb-sticks, too?
2023-02-17 14:08:21	Namarrgon	pacman -Qkk usbmount
2023-02-17 14:09:24	xecuter	Namarrgon: : uii it is really very old..... pacman -Qkk usbmount -> 19 files. i deinstall it
2023-02-17 14:09:54	Namarrgon	your system is corrupted if it has missing files, but that's a separate issue from usbmount being unsupported
2023-02-17 14:10:35	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-02-17 14:11:40	xecuter	Namarrgon: usbmount is uninstalled. replug usb-stick: https://bpa.st/RGTOW
2023-02-17 14:11:40	phrik	Title: View paste RGTOW (at bpa.st)
2023-02-17 14:12:04	xecuter	and it is auto mounted. uiii and i had think i need it! \o/
2023-02-17 14:12:04	Namarrgon	lsblk -f
2023-02-17 14:12:50	adrian_teri	Need to contact a maintainer of a Package in a Community Repo - https://archlinux.org/packages/community/any/variety/.... Is there a Jaroslav Lichtblau here?
2023-02-17 14:13:22	gromit	adrian_teri: whats the matter? 
2023-02-17 14:13:32	xecuter	sdc --> sdc1 ventoy  && sdc --> sdc2 vfat  fat16 vtoyefi
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2023-02-17 14:14:00	adrian_teri	gromit Package has been out of date close to 2 weeks now
2023-02-17 14:14:39	Namarrgon	the maintainer knows that, it has been flagged out-of-date
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2023-02-17 14:14:59	Namarrgon	is there a critical issue with the old one that requires immediate attention?
2023-02-17 14:15:34	adrian_teri	Old one keeps on crashing as python_cairo has been updated ..
2023-02-17 14:15:47	Namarrgon	was a bugreport filed?
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2023-02-17 14:16:32	adrian_teri	Nope no bug reports... Should I make one?
2023-02-17 14:16:48	Namarrgon	if it really crashes on an up-to-date system, yes
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2023-02-17 14:17:13	gromit	adrian_teri: Are you sure? Works on my machine with python-cairo 1.23.0-3 and variety 0.8.9-1 
2023-02-17 14:17:27	gromit	Please post the pacman -Q output for those two 
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2023-02-17 14:18:39	adrian_teri	python-cairo 1.23.0-3 and variety 0.8.9-1
2023-02-17 14:19:36	gromit	Hm, thats weird ... Could you post the error to a paste? 
2023-02-17 14:19:38	gromit	!paste
2023-02-17 14:19:39	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-02-17 14:20:24	xecuter	if i switch off the usb3 hub with connected usb-stick, than the usb stick will mounted, but if i replug the stick, than NOTHING in journalctl, as like as , doing nothing
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2023-02-17 14:21:33	xecuter	hmm important to know.... u said "power". hmm ok
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2023-02-17 14:23:01	adrian_teri	phrik gromit Here's my paste https://bpa.st/7BHB2
2023-02-17 14:23:01	phrik	adrian_teri: No idea
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2023-02-17 14:23:38	gromit	phrik is a bot ^^ 
2023-02-17 14:23:40	phrik	Thankfully so!
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2023-02-17 14:23:46	xecuter	Namarrgon: 1 question. if u copy arch linux to usb stick and boot via ventoy. it is like as a live iso or i can hold there the updates?
2023-02-17 14:24:02	adrian_teri	chatgpt?
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2023-02-17 14:25:21	gromit	adrian_teri: variety tries to use a path in your home, did you install python-cairo with pip?
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2023-02-17 14:25:43	gromit	You can check by opening a python shell, importing the module and execute "print(cairo.__file__)"
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2023-02-17 14:27:07	Namarrgon	xecuter: i have no idea what ventoy does to the system
2023-02-17 14:27:27	Namarrgon	xecuter: if you want a permanent arch on usb then install it the regular way
2023-02-17 14:27:43	xecuter	Namarrgon: ventoy is just a multiboot tool for usb sticks. it is for data recovery and so on
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2023-02-17 14:28:34	xecuter	there i can copy archlinux.iso from website and boot it 
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2023-02-17 14:29:51	Namarrgon	since you already did the deed you can just try to modify it permanently
2023-02-17 14:29:59	astralc	ventoy does not do anything special for the ISO, expect allowing you to boot it without dding it
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2023-02-17 14:30:08	tirnanog	it's intended to be used for installation and, sometimes, maintenance. it should behave in the same way as if you were not using ventoy, in principle.
2023-02-17 14:30:19	astralc	and the ISO doesn't have permanant storage
2023-02-17 14:30:24	tirnanog	it's not intended to be a live distro with data persistence, if that's what you mean.
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2023-02-17 14:31:03	xecuter	Namarrgon: i just download the iso and will try it later
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2023-02-17 14:31:42	Namarrgon	partition/format the usb device and pacstrap arch to it, ???, profit
2023-02-17 14:33:06	shore	i'm getting the message "error preparing initrd: not found" on boot after updating the kernel alongside 50+ other packages. i saw online that reinstalling the bootloader would help, but i'm using systemd, and the ones provided are for grub. how would i go about this in chroot?
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2023-02-17 14:33:36	Namarrgon	was the update interrupted? does the initramfs exist?
2023-02-17 14:34:01	astralc	try running mkinitcpio in chroot
2023-02-17 14:34:25	shore	@Namarrgon i don't believe so, this was last night, i'd have to check later for initramfs
2023-02-17 14:34:28	xecuter	ventoy is prefer me for starting as like as avira rescrue system, bitdefender, gparted.... with just copy ALL images to the usb partition. with a grub i can select then what i want to boot
2023-02-17 14:35:01	astralc	the bootloader configuration doesn't change between kernel update, so reinstalling bootloader does not change it
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2023-02-17 14:35:09	shore	@astralc i'll try that when i'm home
2023-02-17 14:35:54	astralc	also sd-boot is not installed automatically to EFI again each time the package upadated
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2023-02-17 14:52:41	gromit	adrian_teri: Did you get it to work? 
2023-02-17 14:52:41	adrian_teri	Thanks gromit ...Should have caught Variety is using a .local instead of under /usr.. anybody know why this is?
2023-02-17 14:52:41	adrian_teri	I have by updating my pip modules 
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2023-02-17 14:52:41	Namarrgon	use venvs, don't pollute your regular environment with pip modules that conflict with repo-packages
2023-02-17 14:52:41	astralc	the .local one if before the system one in python path?
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2023-02-17 14:52:41	gromit	adrian_teri: https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/modules.html#the-module-search-path
2023-02-17 14:52:41	phrik	Title: 6. Modules — Python 3.11.2 documentation (at docs.python.org)
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2023-02-17 14:52:41	gromit	adrian_teri: just note the updating the pip modules is kinda a non-solution; It will most likely break with the next update again
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2023-02-17 14:52:41	adrian_teri	Thanks all ... Currently looking at my exported and definitions of PATH under my ~/.profile
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2023-02-17 14:52:41	astralc	pythonpath is not the PATH environment
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2023-02-17 14:52:41	adrian_teri	astralc: where is it
2023-02-17 14:52:41	astralc	read the link gromit sent
2023-02-17 14:52:41	gromit	adrian_teri: as described in the link to the docs you can print sys.path and see the python equivalent of PATH
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2023-02-17 14:52:41	adrian_teri	Thanks gromit
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2023-02-17 14:52:41	adrian_teri	Ok here's the result of sys.path ['', '/usr/lib/python310.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.10', '/usr/lib/python3.10/lib-dynload', '/home/adrianteri/.local/lib/python3.10/site-packages', '/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages']  I see it now. NamarrgonI do use venvs ... will delete the pip installed one and see what breaks
2023-02-17 14:52:41	adrian_teri	Thanks all
2023-02-17 14:53:38	gromit	adrian_teri: you are welcome! +1 on your goal to cleanup ~/.local/[...] and use venvs instead :) 
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2023-02-17 15:54:30	ian|	Does anything need to be done to refresh the `linux-firmware` after an update/install? Is a reboot required?
2023-02-17 15:55:27	ponies	ian|: no except if you are installing it specifically to rewrite initramfs
2023-02-17 15:56:19	ian|	Updating it this time didn't run mkinitcpio, ... so it's applied dynamically?
2023-02-17 15:57:10	Scimmia	nothing will take effect unless you reboot or remove and reinsert the module in question
2023-02-17 15:58:49	Scimmia	but unless you have a specific bug and need to test a newer firmware for that specific hardware, who cares
2023-02-17 15:59:20	ian|	Ok, thanks for the info.
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2023-02-17 17:15:08	gromit	Cork: is there an error regarding to bluetooth in dmesg? 
2023-02-17 17:28:34	enoq	hi, something broke window focus this week
2023-02-17 17:28:48	enoq	seems only broken for wayland apps thoguh
2023-02-17 17:29:16	enoq	window focus as in: can't type into checkbox anymore or type into gnome terminal
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2023-02-17 17:53:05	enoq	grawity: just updated right now, thanks
2023-02-17 17:56:28	gromit	Cork: Hm, I dont know about that, maybe someone else can help :) 
2023-02-17 18:02:59	lmat	Vim highlighting for bash files sucks as of the last couple weeks. It looks like something broke. Does anyone know about this or maybe I broke something on my machine.
2023-02-17 18:03:21	lmat	(If it's just me, I can visit #vim and get it sorted, but I don't remember changing anything recently.)
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2023-02-17 18:23:35	shore	@astralc i'm getting " '/lib/modules/6.1.8-arch-1' is not a valid kernel module directory "
2023-02-17 18:24:27	astralc	shore: ?
2023-02-17 18:24:51	shore	@astralc you told me to use mkinitcpio in chroot
2023-02-17 18:25:49	astralc	in chroot of currently installed?
2023-02-17 18:26:07	astralc	did you mount boot?
2023-02-17 18:26:31	thrice	6.1.8 sounds like the live ISO's kernel version
2023-02-17 18:27:18	astralc	but then you won't get the 'not valid' error
2023-02-17 18:27:28	shore	@astralc yes, i used 'arch-chroot /mnt'
2023-02-17 18:27:39	astralc	and mounted root AND boot?
2023-02-17 18:27:44	shore	@thrice i'm in the live ISO in order to restore the current install
2023-02-17 18:27:54	astralc	if you have boot in separate partition
2023-02-17 18:28:10	shore	@astralc i do; mounted it to /mnt/boot/
2023-02-17 18:33:40	astralc	reinstall the `linux` package... this version not the latest (not even closed)
2023-02-17 18:33:44	astralc	inside the chroot
2023-02-17 18:35:19	MrElendig	make sure the correct thing is mounted to boot as you do so
2023-02-17 18:50:42	Namarrgon	if you don't tell mkinitcpio which version to rebuild the modules for it will try the running version
2023-02-17 18:50:59	Namarrgon	s/modules/initramfs/
2023-02-17 18:52:49	astralc	I thought it check the version from boot
2023-02-17 18:53:16	shore	@astralc image generation successful
2023-02-17 18:53:23	astralc	how it will know the lts modules version for -P?
2023-02-17 18:54:00	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-02-17 18:54:00	astralc	shore: when reinstall `linux`?
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2023-02-17 19:16:58	shore	@namarrgon the command hangs, would it'd be "pacman -Qqn | pacman -S |& curcl -F 'f:l=<' ix.io"
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2023-02-17 19:35:34	shore	oh, didn't notice the first backtick, ugh
2023-02-17 19:38:58	shore	@MrElendig pacman wants an operation specified
2023-02-17 19:39:15	shore	@MrElendig target specified*
2023-02-17 19:39:36	ti	Does anyone know why zstd would need to connect to the internet? I just updated my system using paru and at some point opensnitch warned about zstd trying to connect to some datacenter ip address near me.
2023-02-17 19:40:45	MrElendig	shore: hence the extra -
2023-02-17 19:41:20	DeepDayze	opensnitch sounds like a nice little firewall. How is it compared to something like ufw?
2023-02-17 19:42:18	MrElendig	they do different things
2023-02-17 19:43:57	shore	@MrElendig where?
2023-02-17 19:43:58	ti	DeepDayze: Unlike ufw it's a desktop firewall. The interface can be a bit fiddly at times, but it works well enough.
2023-02-17 19:44:46	lolok	did you read pkgbuilds of any aur packages being upgraded ti because they can contain arbitrary code
2023-02-17 19:45:10	DeepDayze	ti: thanks, might check it out
2023-02-17 19:45:20	MrElendig	as I said, the second invocation
2023-02-17 19:46:06	lolok	if you spotted this behavior in pacman rather than paru it would be a much more questionable situation
2023-02-17 19:46:21	ti	lolok: I do always skim over the PKGBUILDs of course and didn't see anything obviously malicious. Currently trying to figure out which AUR packages were last installed from the pacman log.
2023-02-17 19:47:31	MrElendig	"Invoking pacman involves specifying an operation with any potential options and targets to operate on. A target is usually a package name, file name, URL, or a search string Targets can be provided as command line arguments. Additionally, if stdin is not from a terminal and a single hyphen (-) is passed as an argument, targets will be read from stdin." -- The Fine Manual
2023-02-17 19:47:50	gehidore	TFM!
2023-02-17 19:51:30	shore	@MrElendig okay i got what you mean now, myb
2023-02-17 19:51:57	shore	@MrElendig just waiting on the command to execute now, it's hanging again, no prompts.
2023-02-17 19:52:22	MrElendig	please don't use @<...> as it looks like you are quoting me
2023-02-17 19:52:48	MrElendig	irc is not twitter, use <nick>: instead. Your client probably autocompletes to it out of the box too
2023-02-17 19:52:53	lolok	!@
2023-02-17 19:52:54	phrik	IRC is not Twitter – please do not use @name to address people. use name, or name: instead. Using @ also prevents you from tab-completing nicks in your IRC client.
2023-02-17 19:56:39	DeepDayze	I'm guilty of that mistake with the at sign too
2023-02-17 19:57:44	shore	i gave the command "pacman -Qqn | pacman -S -|&curl -F 'f:l=<-' ix.io" 5 minutes, no response
2023-02-17 19:59:03	MrElendig	As I said earlier, its going to be sitting there waiting for you to press yes
2023-02-17 19:59:22	MrElendig	see what happens when you run it without "|&curl -F 'f:l=<-'"
2023-02-17 20:00:27	shore	@MrElendig instantly shows me the list of packages to be installed
2023-02-17 20:00:30	shore	fuck
2023-02-17 20:00:34	MrElendig	there is --noconfirm to automaticly select the default action
2023-02-17 20:01:22	MrElendig	you can also use the copy/paste feature in tmux/screen instead
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2023-02-17 20:16:57	ti	Looks the connection attempt happened before paru even got to the AUR packages...
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2023-02-17 20:16:57	ti	Okay, the IP address belongs to one of the mirrors in my mirrorlist that was generated using reflector, which is reassuring. Not sure why zstd would be trying to connect to it, especially since it never did before.
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2023-02-17 21:06:00	lolok	does it happen with pacman too or only paru?
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2023-02-17 21:29:05	citazen	ty i think the update and lag had to do with kde desktop widgets. i removed them and then reinserted. seems lag is gone now
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2023-02-17 21:49:15	lairnc	 to resize a partition I have to use:
2023-02-17 21:49:15	lairnc	<lairnc> (parted) resizepart number end
2023-02-17 21:49:15	lairnc	<lairnc> okay, i know all parameters but `end`
2023-02-17 21:49:15	lairnc	<lairnc> citing the wiki
2023-02-17 21:49:15	lairnc	<lairnc> Where number is the number of the partition you are shrinking, and end is the new end of the partition (which needs to be smaller than the old end). 
2023-02-17 21:49:19	lairnc	<lairnc> but how do I know the new end?
2023-02-17 21:49:47	lairnc	sorry to repost, but I asked yesterday and did not receive an answer
2023-02-17 21:50:05	lairnc	maybe someone replied, but as this is irc...
2023-02-17 21:50:27	lolok	well, you know or can find out the current end, do you want to shrink or expand?
2023-02-17 21:50:37	lairnc	shrink
2023-02-17 21:50:41	lolok	so make it less
2023-02-17 21:50:57	rcf	lairnc: if you're aiming for a specific size, you can calculate it from the block size of the deivce. 
2023-02-17 21:51:01	lolok	shrink how much?
2023-02-17 21:51:26	lairnc	I have 1tb ext4, resize that to 500G
2023-02-17 21:52:20	lolok	current.end - 500G/blocksize = new.end
2023-02-17 21:53:06	rcf	Did you already shrink the filesystem? 
2023-02-17 21:53:09	rcf	Because you'll want to do that first. 
2023-02-17 21:53:28	lairnc	i know
2023-02-17 21:54:08	lairnc	im following gparted page in arch wiki
2023-02-17 21:54:18	lairnc	or well, parted
2023-02-17 21:54:20	pulec	have you talked about gparted? I come to that clickity GUI tool when I need to shuffle partitions...
2023-02-17 21:55:05	lolok	gparted is nice but i think i read its dead upstream?
2023-02-17 21:55:14	lolok	maybe wrong there
2023-02-17 21:55:15	lairnc	yep, im going to use a bootable arch usb, which doesnt have gui
2023-02-17 21:57:38	pulec	right, god luck
2023-02-17 21:59:12	rcf	lairnc: assuming you used 500G with resize2fs, you'll end up with start + 1048576000 for 512-byte blocks, or start + 131072000 for 4096-byte blocks. 
2023-02-17 22:00:17	lairnc	how do i see the block size?
2023-02-17 22:00:39	rcf	It's sector size under parted when you print the partition table. 
2023-02-17 22:00:43	lairnc	and also, where is the current end?
2023-02-17 22:02:14	lolok	double one of those numbers
2023-02-17 22:02:42	lolok	add it to the start
2023-02-17 22:02:59	rcf	lairnc: it's given when you print the partition table. 
2023-02-17 22:03:04	rcf	The start and end columns 
2023-02-17 22:03:21	rcf	If resize wants sectors, run unit s first 
2023-02-17 22:05:42	rcf	I tend to prefer using sectors when resizing just to be as precise as possible, and also because (as the wiki warns) e2fsprogs treats the prefixes differently to parted itself. 
2023-02-17 22:09:25	topcat001	lmat: Have you seen this? https://github.com/vim/vim/issues/11937
2023-02-17 22:09:53	topcat001	Fix released soon hopefully
2023-02-17 22:10:00	lmat	topcat001: Cork: that's how mine looks!
2023-02-17 22:10:48	topcat001	y a fix has been submitted already. Otherwise pretty easy to fix temporarily.
2023-02-17 22:10:52	Namarrgon	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/77475
2023-02-17 22:10:53	phrik	Title: FS#77475 : [vim-runtime] 9.0.1302-1 bash syntax highlight problem (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-02-17 22:11:10	topcat001	ty Namarrgon 
2023-02-17 22:12:08	lairnc	rcf, what do u mean "run unit s first"
2023-02-17 22:12:10	lairnc	?
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2023-02-17 22:17:01	lmat	Namarrgon: Thanks for that! It helps me find the file I need to adjust. I'm surprised that pacman -Ql vim | grep sh\\.; doesn't show anything.
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2023-02-17 22:17:01	rcf	lairnc: that sets the display units 
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2023-02-17 22:17:01	lmat	Namarrgon: Oh yeah, all better, thank you!!
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2023-02-17 22:17:14	lairnc	in parted?
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2023-02-17 22:34:42	jeffre	rcf: thanks, found "SUDO_USER" in "man sudo"
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2023-02-17 23:17:45	lairnc	MrElendig, but won't it detect that when installing?
2023-02-17 23:18:43	MrElendig	are you installing windows? if so, just delete all the partitions, leave the space unpartitioned and let windows do its thing
2023-02-17 23:18:53	MrElendig	and as said: microsoft support...
2023-02-17 23:20:16	lairnc	im not going to ##windows
2023-02-17 23:20:26	lairnc	im asking about a specific arch wiki page
2023-02-17 23:20:27	lairnc	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dual_boot_with_Windows#Linux_before_Windows
2023-02-17 23:20:28	phrik	Title: Dual boot with Windows - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-02-17 23:20:47	MrElendig	as said, don't create partitions for windows, let it do that itself
2023-02-17 23:20:57	lairnc	but look at the page
2023-02-17 23:21:01	lairnc	it says that
2023-02-17 23:21:19	lairnc	are u saying that is wrong?
2023-02-17 23:21:32	MrElendig	lairnc: don't skim the page, read it
2023-02-17 23:21:45	MrElendig	"Or have some unpartitioned disk space,"
2023-02-17 23:21:55	MrElendig	its the easiest less error prone way by far
2023-02-17 23:22:04	MrElendig	least*
2023-02-17 23:22:26	MrElendig	just make sure windows is pointed at the existing esp if its large enough
2023-02-17 23:22:34	MrElendig	win11 should use the existing one by default
2023-02-17 23:24:32	lairnc	what about win10?
2023-02-17 23:25:20	MrElendig	don't use win10
2023-02-17 23:26:04	MrElendig	though recent builds of win10 install image should do the right thing too
2023-02-17 23:28:36	lairnc	why? what does win11 have?
2023-02-17 23:28:55	lairnc	i thought it was just as shit as the previous version
2023-02-17 23:29:10	lairnc	but with some redesign shit that looked like macos
2023-02-17 23:29:31	MrElendig	it doesn't look anything like macos, and it has a bunch of security and stability fixes
2023-02-17 23:29:34	heat	you know, I've never had issues with windows overwriting stuff (since 8)
2023-02-17 23:29:43	MrElendig	and ms will probably abandon win10 really soon
2023-02-17 23:30:01	MrElendig	heat: early win10 install images creates a new esp even if an existing one exists
2023-02-17 23:30:24	lairnc	but can't i just install win 10 and the upgrade from there?
2023-02-17 23:30:47	MrElendig	lairnc: upgrading from windows 10 has a performance cost
2023-02-17 23:30:53	MrElendig	also, more work
2023-02-17 23:31:27	MrElendig	win10 upraded to win11 have been found to run noticably worse for gaming at least compared to a fresh win11 install
2023-02-17 23:33:11	MrElendig	only downside to a fresh win11 install is that it really wants secureboot enabled
2023-02-17 23:34:29	MrElendig	performance difference have varied quite a bit on a system by system basis though
2023-02-17 23:35:53	lairnc	secureboot enabled?
2023-02-17 23:36:04	lairnc	i read somewhere I had to disable that
2023-02-17 23:36:22	MrElendig	you can use secureboot with arch
2023-02-17 23:36:30	lairnc	also, what tool to make the win bootable usb
2023-02-17 23:36:32	lairnc	?
2023-02-17 23:36:46	MrElendig	rolling your own mok with sbctl isn't that hard on most hardware
2023-02-17 23:38:29	MrElendig	just make sure to include the ms keys
2023-02-17 23:40:02	MrElendig	(you can install win11 without sb enabled too, it will just nag you about it a bit)
2023-02-17 23:41:12	lairnc	i run sbctl and says it's not installed?
2023-02-17 23:42:06	MrElendig	documentation exists for a reason
2023-02-17 23:42:42	lairnc	okay, fair enought
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2023-02-18 00:00:25	Namarrgon	you have to, it won't boot out of the box with enforced SB
2023-02-18 00:00:59	lairnc	but im reading win11 does NOT require sb
2023-02-18 00:01:11	Namarrgon	it does not require it, correct
2023-02-18 00:01:21	lairnc	so i just would select partition, install win?
2023-02-18 00:01:46	Namarrgon	i guess
2023-02-18 00:02:03	lairnc	so what about using sbctl?
2023-02-18 00:02:42	Namarrgon	if you disabled SB then you do nothing with sbctl
2023-02-18 00:02:53	lairnc	MrElendig, what do u mean `(you can install win11 without sb enabled too, it will just nag you about it a bit)`
2023-02-18 00:03:05	lairnc	nag u a bit?
2023-02-18 00:03:08	lairnc	in what sense
2023-02-18 00:03:09	lairnc	?
2023-02-18 00:04:23	Namarrgon	it will wake you up at 3am and ask you to enable SB (and to subscribe to office365)
2023-02-18 00:04:51	astralc	something like "please please enable secure boot to make your PC secure", "are you sure you don't want microsoft controling your computer?"
2023-02-18 00:04:55	lairnc	haha
2023-02-18 00:07:00	lairnc	what should i use to make a win usb bootable?
2023-02-18 00:07:31	lairnc	etcher?
2023-02-18 00:07:37	astralc	I think microsoft have article on it
2023-02-18 00:07:40	lairnc	does that still work?
2023-02-18 00:08:17	astralc	or use ventoy
2023-02-18 00:15:38	lairnc	astralc, ventoy is for multiple isos in a single usb stick
2023-02-18 00:16:20	MrElendig	woeusb or windows in a vm
2023-02-18 00:16:22	astralc	yes...? and you can boot 'em
2023-02-18 00:16:34	MrElendig	(you can get free vbox images from microsoft)
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2023-02-18 00:42:25	jkhsjdhjs	hey, I'm using the AUR package jellyfin, which currently depends on jellyfin-web=10.8.9. I now created an alternative to jellyfin-web (namely jellyfin-web-intro-skipper), which provides jellyfin-web. the version is 10.8.9, but pacman -Dk says that the dependency isn't satisfied: error: missing 'jellyfin-web=10.8.9' dependency for 'jellyfin'. why is that?
2023-02-18 00:43:21	Scimmia	jkhsjdhjs: because provides doesn't have a version number unless you specify it. It can't just assume that the versioning is the same between the two different packages
2023-02-18 00:43:47	jkhsjdhjs	ah I understand
2023-02-18 00:44:05	jkhsjdhjs	so I'll just have to add the version number to provides, thanks!
2023-02-18 00:44:19	Scimmia	np
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2023-02-18 01:40:38	Foxboron	g6
2023-02-18 01:40:41	Foxboron	wops
2023-02-18 01:41:27	coruja	chess?
2023-02-18 01:42:04	Foxboron	irc windows
2023-02-18 01:42:33	coruja	good game too ;)
2023-02-18 01:55:54	winmost	Good day
2023-02-18 01:59:53	damax	Lol, Foxboron h4
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2023-02-18 02:45:49	Nomenclatura	so quiet...
2023-02-18 02:46:08	Nomenclatura	Did the world end and me and my cat have inherited the Earth?
2023-02-18 02:46:36	Nomenclatura	damn... that makes me the only maintainer of arch... better get to work
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2023-02-18 03:22:40	Scimmia	Nomenclatura: what did you want managing it?
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2023-02-18 04:57:20	rcf	syntaxman: what is it doing (aside from weird scaling) 
2023-02-18 05:06:26	thrice	kde, bugs? unpossible
2023-02-18 05:08:34	Nomenclatura	gnome and features like options? unpossible
2023-02-18 05:09:14	thrice	I'll take "featureless" over font problems
2023-02-18 05:11:26	Nomenclatura	applications with one button and no menues or preferences are less likely to have bugs
2023-02-18 05:12:48	thrice	check it out, menus AND preferences.  https://imgur.com/RFIiGpT
2023-02-18 05:12:48	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2023-02-18 05:14:26	Nomenclatura	yeah... chose one app that even has 'advanced' tab xD
2023-02-18 05:14:50	Nomenclatura	kde ain't particularly bugy
2023-02-18 05:14:59	Nomenclatura	it does get a bit buggy once and then
2023-02-18 05:15:09	Nomenclatura	but most of the time is just fine
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2023-02-18 06:51:13	pulec	wayland users, can you use obs to record your screen yet?
2023-02-18 06:52:20	pulec	s/obs/obs-studio/
2023-02-18 07:02:20	ponies	pulec: i use wf-recorder
2023-02-18 07:03:55	milesrout	why would i want to record my screen
2023-02-18 07:04:15	pulec	to show someone how to do X, Y for example
2023-02-18 07:04:39	pulec	hmm oke ponies, I need obs-studio to add stuff to my scene though
2023-02-18 07:05:11	ponies	you can filter="crop=x:y:w*h" with ffmpeg 
2023-02-18 07:05:29	ponies	oh sorry 
2023-02-18 07:05:36	ponies	pulec:         wf-recorder -g "$inpt" -p crf=18 -x yuv420p -t -c libx264rgb -f "$HOME/screenshots/$file.mp4"
2023-02-18 07:06:04	ponies	uses the libx264rbg codec its the only good one pulec 
2023-02-18 07:06:48	pulec	uff, looks like ffmpeg
2023-02-18 07:07:07	pulec	ponies: I actually use my gpu to record
2023-02-18 07:07:24	pulec	ffmpeg vaapi h.264
2023-02-18 07:07:35	ponies	really? i can't make it work nice
2023-02-18 07:07:53	pulec	me neither via ffmpeg, but it's simple option in obs
2023-02-18 07:08:11	pulec	I am waiting for some upstream fixes and then I am building obs-studio that can do vaapi h.265
2023-02-18 07:08:26	pulec	anyways I am still on i3, x11, I use this:
2023-02-18 07:08:38	ponies	i want ffmpeg to do that 
2023-02-18 07:08:44	pulec	https://github.com/psieg/Lightpack
2023-02-18 07:08:55	pulec	which can't do wayland screen grab yet
2023-02-18 07:09:03	pulec	I love my LEDs behind monitor so
2023-02-18 07:09:10	ponies	pulec: slurp -d -o -s ${colour}10 -B 00000030 -b ${colour}30 -w 3 
2023-02-18 07:09:11	pulec	ponies: why ffmpeg when you got wf-recorder lol
2023-02-18 07:09:22	ponies	and feed that into stuff
2023-02-18 07:09:33	pulec	don't send me slurp commands if I am on i3 lol
2023-02-18 07:09:44	ponies	wf-recorder use ffmpeg? 
2023-02-18 07:09:49	pulec	no idea
2023-02-18 07:09:53	ponies	i think yes 
2023-02-18 07:10:04	ponies	oh mb mb 
2023-02-18 07:10:14	pulec	it doesn't depend on it tho ponies 
2023-02-18 07:10:51	pulec	oh wiki says it is
2023-02-18 07:10:51	ponies	github lists ffmpeg as a dependency
2023-02-18 07:11:21	pulec	ponies: https://github.com/ammen99/wf-recorder
2023-02-18 07:11:23	pulec	> You can use the following command to check all available video codecs
2023-02-18 07:11:37	pulec	based on your gpu you could do hw encoding instead of x264
2023-02-18 07:12:24	kevin998x	I have messed my EFI partition, /mnt/fstab , and grub bootloader config file, could anyone help to guide me on how to debug ?  Note that I have a live USB now
2023-02-18 07:13:05	pulec	you mean /mnt/etc/fstab right?
2023-02-18 07:13:20	ponies	kevin998x: does it freeze after your boot manager, or before? 
2023-02-18 07:13:22	kevin998x	My existing system consists of multi boot environment : Windows 10, Ubuntu and Arch Linux
2023-02-18 07:14:00	pulec	kevin998x: how is your /boot/EFI (or whever it is) messed up?
2023-02-18 07:14:00	kevin998x	I cannot get past the initial boot, cannot reach grub bootloader, it just says no bootable medium
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2023-02-18 07:32:21	kevin998x	ponies : here you go
2023-02-18 07:32:21	kevin998x	ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ efibootmgr
2023-02-18 07:32:21	kevin998x	BootCurrent: 0000
2023-02-18 07:32:21	kevin998x	Timeout: 0 seconds
2023-02-18 07:32:21	kevin998x	BootOrder: 0003,0001,0002,0000
2023-02-18 07:32:21	kevin998x	Boot0000* UEFI General UDisk Љ
2023-02-18 07:32:22	kevin998x	Boot0001* ONBOARD NIC (IPV4)
2023-02-18 07:32:22	kevin998x	Boot0002* ONBOARD NIC (IPV6)
2023-02-18 07:32:23	kevin998x	Boot0003* ubuntu
2023-02-18 07:32:23	kevin998x	ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ 
2023-02-18 07:34:05	ponies	kevin998x: so you have to install grub again 
2023-02-18 07:34:52	kevin998x	@ponies reinstall grub in which chroot environment ?
2023-02-18 07:35:00	kevin998x	or no need for chroot ?
2023-02-18 07:35:32	kevin998x	I followed chatgpt instructions earlier yesterday and messed up the stuff, so I am bit careful now
2023-02-18 07:35:44	ponies	kevin998x: chroot into your archlinux, mount the /boot or /EFI folder and run grub-install xyz
2023-02-18 07:37:11	kevin998x	ponies  :  My arch linux is on nvme0n1p8
2023-02-18 07:37:11	kevin998x	ubuntu@ubuntu ~> lsblk
2023-02-18 07:37:11	kevin998x	NAME        MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINTS
2023-02-18 07:37:11	kevin998x	loop0         7:0    0   2.1G  1 loop /rofs
2023-02-18 07:37:11	kevin998x	loop1         7:1    0    62M  1 loop /snap/core20/1587
2023-02-18 07:37:12	code4hack	I make a boot usb with dd, then it write protected, how to disable it?
2023-02-18 07:38:00	ponies	code4hack: you cant write persitant data to the live usb 
2023-02-18 07:39:09	code4hack	< ponies > how
2023-02-18 07:39:20	code4hack	ponies: how
2023-02-18 07:39:37	ponies	code4hack: you can make your own usb 
2023-02-18 07:40:38	code4hack	i don't understand, i write it with dd, hdparm -r0, all failed
2023-02-18 07:40:41	kevin998x	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9kY32xJv/gparted.png
2023-02-18 07:40:47	kevin998x	ponies
2023-02-18 07:40:58	kevin998x	@ponies
2023-02-18 07:41:56	kevin998x	@sheep L my EFI partition is on nvme0n1p1
2023-02-18 07:42:20	ponies	kevin998x: im talking about nvme0n1p1
2023-02-18 07:43:54	code4hack	how disable write protect on usb, anybody help
2023-02-18 07:44:14	gnana	code4hack: google is your friend.
2023-02-18 07:44:27	sheep	code4hack: you don't. the ISO filesystem is always read-only
2023-02-18 07:44:44	sheep	you'll need to use a different disk image that isn't in ISO format
2023-02-18 07:44:50	ponies	mount -o remount,rw /some/usb 
2023-02-18 07:45:01	ponies	but like i said you cant 
2023-02-18 07:45:37	kevin998x	@ponies :
2023-02-18 07:45:37	kevin998x	ubuntu@ubuntu ~ [32]> sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1p8 /mnt
2023-02-18 07:45:37	kevin998x	ubuntu@ubuntu ~ [125]> sudo chroot /mnt
2023-02-18 07:45:37	kevin998x	[root@ubuntu /]#
2023-02-18 07:45:38	kevin998x	[root@ubuntu /]# ls
2023-02-18 07:45:38	kevin998x	bin	  etc				initramfs-linux.img  lost+found  root  srv  var
2023-02-18 07:45:39	kevin998x	boot	  grub				intel-ucode.img      mnt	 run   sys  vmlinuz-linux
2023-02-18 07:45:39	kevin998x	boot-sav  home				lib		     opt	 sbin  tmp
2023-02-18 07:45:40	kevin998x	dev	  initramfs-linux-fallback.img	lib64		     proc	 snap  usr
2023-02-18 07:45:40	kevin998x	[root@ubuntu /]# 
2023-02-18 07:45:57	ponies	idk if hes trolling
2023-02-18 07:45:57	code4hack	sheep: I mean I want to reformat the usb for some other uses, what I can do
2023-02-18 07:46:15	sheep	code4hack: just reformat it with fdisk or write an image directly to it with dd
2023-02-18 07:46:46	code4hack	sheep: all failed, because it is readonly
2023-02-18 07:46:54	sheep	what is the exact error message?
2023-02-18 07:47:19	sheep	kevin998x: use a paste site for anything more than one line. Otherwise the network or a security bot may kick you to prevent flooding
2023-02-18 07:47:25	gnana	!pastie
2023-02-18 07:47:25	phrik	gnana: No idea
2023-02-18 07:47:29	gnana	!paste
2023-02-18 07:47:29	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-02-18 07:47:53	kevin998x	@sheep @gnana thanks for the tips
2023-02-18 07:47:54	code4hack	sheep: dd: failed to open '/dev/sda': Read-only file system
2023-02-18 07:48:15	kevin998x	@ponies so, now I am inside chroot of Arch Linux partition
2023-02-18 07:48:15	sheep	code4hack: what was the exact command?
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2023-02-18 08:30:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2023-02-18 08:30:30	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1429 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1428 normals)
2023-02-18 08:04:45	rcf	sajattack: generally -Syu when you see 404 
2023-02-18 08:05:14	sajattack	I usually start with -Syu
2023-02-18 08:05:41	rcf	In that case, new mirror list should help 
2023-02-18 08:24:37	kevin998x	@ponies @kevr : should be `sudo genfstab -U /mnt | sudo tee -a /mnt/etc/fstab` instead of still leaving `>>` there
2023-02-18 08:25:37	ponies	kevin998x: i dont want to be part of this
2023-02-18 08:25:49	kevin998x	okay
2023-02-18 08:26:33	coffeealien	rcf: Okay, understand. Thanks again for helping me out here.
2023-02-18 08:29:16	kevin998x	@kevr 
2023-02-18 08:29:20	kevin998x	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/lCl3XdHb/
2023-02-18 08:29:21	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
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2023-02-18 08:30:58	kevin998x	@kevr : the following snippet is from within the arch-chroot environment
2023-02-18 08:31:15	kevin998x	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/n9K3PaBM/
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2023-02-18 09:19:28	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2023-02-18 09:19:28	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1433 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1432 normals)
2023-02-18 08:50:05	kevin998x	@gnana : I checked inside `/boot/grub/grub.cfg` , it only detected existing Arch Linux and Ubuntu OSes , however Windows 10 OS is not detected.  The following is the text snippet for `/boot/grub/grub.cfg`
2023-02-18 08:50:10	kevin998x	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/P7MMKPVl/
2023-02-18 08:50:11	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2023-02-18 08:51:10	gnana	kevin998x: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Generate_the_main_configuration_file
2023-02-18 08:51:10	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-02-18 08:51:20	gnana	oh wait dont click
2023-02-18 08:51:28	gnana	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Detecting_other_operating_systems
2023-02-18 08:51:30	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-02-18 08:51:31	gnana	^
2023-02-18 08:55:13	kevin998x	@gnana : Windows 10 OS is still not detected, see the following text snippet
2023-02-18 08:55:18	kevin998x	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/y4piyFTA/
2023-02-18 08:55:19	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2023-02-18 08:57:45	gnana	kevin998x: try chatgpt sorry i do not know.
2023-02-18 09:00:03	kevin998x	@gnana: okay, `bootmgfw.efi` file is not found inside `/boot`
2023-02-18 09:00:58	kevin998x	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Windows
2023-02-18 09:00:59	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-02-18 09:08:25	kevin998x	@gnana : the following text snippe is reply from chatGPT
2023-02-18 09:08:29	kevin998x	bootmgfw.efi is a proprietary file owned by Microsoft and it is not open source. It is only available as part of a Windows installation or recovery media. If you do not have access to a Windows installation or recovery media, you may need to obtain it through other means, such as borrowing from a friend or downloading from a trusted source. However, I would advise against downloading it from
2023-02-18 09:08:29	kevin998x	untrusted sources as it may be 
2023-02-18 09:08:29	kevin998x	unsafe and could potentially harm your system.
2023-02-18 09:12:48	gnana	kevin998x:  try this https://askubuntu.com/questions/197868/grub-does-not-detect-windows
2023-02-18 09:12:48	phrik	Title: dual boot - GRUB does not detect Windows - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
2023-02-18 09:13:01	kevin998x	@gnana : Windows is installed in UEFI mode since it is on GPT partition style https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XRGps2Ep/image.png
2023-02-18 09:14:00	gnana	https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=359852
2023-02-18 09:15:41	kevin998x	@gnana : `efibootmgr` is still not showing Arch Linux
2023-02-18 09:15:46	kevin998x	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/XMGOfd1h/
2023-02-18 09:15:47	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2023-02-18 09:16:41	kevin998x	`Boot0000* UEFI General UDisk` is my live USB
2023-02-18 09:16:52	gnana	i do not know.. sorry , i have only archlinux installed, never installed windows on dual boot
2023-02-18 09:17:45	kevin998x	@gnana : no worries, let me obtain the `bootmgfw.efi` file afterwards and see if helps
2023-02-18 09:17:58	kevin998x	@gnana :  I will reboot my computer now ?
2023-02-18 09:18:04	gnana	sure
2023-02-18 09:18:14	gnana	yes you can
2023-02-18 09:19:18	kevin998x	@gnana : `Boot0003* ubuntu` is a bit strange given that `Boot0004* GRUB` should had **HOPEFULLY** included both ubuntu and Arch Linux
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2023-02-18 10:10:28	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1435 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1434 normals)
2023-02-18 09:38:49	kevin998x	@gnana : okay, thanks again so much !  I will reboot now and check !
2023-02-18 10:03:25	gnana	kevin998x: Woked?
2023-02-18 10:03:29	gnana	worked?*
2023-02-18 10:04:08	kevin998x	@gnana : Arch Linux cannot enter GUI interface https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/P03odvl0/1676711011.JPG
2023-02-18 10:04:54	kevr	this looks like some sort of incest spawn of ubuntu + arch
2023-02-18 10:05:40	kevr	kevin998x: you've gotta follow https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/installation_guide
2023-02-18 10:05:42	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-02-18 10:06:00	kevr	don't ask chatgpt for instruction, use that wiki page for instruction
2023-02-18 10:06:18	gnana	yes reinstall
2023-02-18 10:06:41	kevr	if you are confused about something mentioned in the installation article, there are links which link you to more detailed explanation of the topics -- you should follow those.
2023-02-18 10:06:54	kevin998x	@kevr yes I got it
2023-02-18 10:07:01	kevr	:)
2023-02-18 10:07:19	kevin998x	How to proceed from this emergency mode error ?
2023-02-18 10:08:43	kevr	as gnana said, reinstall. the error you are seeing is due to some sort of misconfigurion of your install.
2023-02-18 10:09:47	kevin998x	Reinstall as in from scratch or just some minor configuration change ?
2023-02-18 10:10:03	kevr	snapd isn't part of arch linux, so there is some sort of mount failing for snapd seems to indicate that this wasn't created by the installation guide, but more stuff was done to the installation.
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2023-02-18 10:33:10	kevin998x	@kevr @gnana : okay, in this case I would prepare a fresh Arch Linux ISO live USB
2023-02-18 10:33:40	gnana	nice cool
2023-02-18 10:35:33	kevin998x	Can I still keep my existing `$HOME` partition ?
2023-02-18 10:36:04	gnana	yes
2023-02-18 10:36:30	gnana	do not format your home 
2023-02-18 10:36:40	gnana	simply mount when step comes to mount 
2023-02-18 10:37:01	kevin998x	okay
2023-02-18 10:37:04	gnana	format root etc.. as mentained in installation wiki
2023-02-18 10:37:33	kevin998x	okay
2023-02-18 10:37:54	kevin998x	in https://archlinux.org/download/ , I noticed that there is a docker image ?  how does this apply to live USB ?
2023-02-18 10:37:55	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Downloads (at archlinux.org)
2023-02-18 10:40:17	Metroid	What do you mean ?
2023-02-18 10:40:45	Metroid	Use the normal iso for live usb
2023-02-18 10:42:39	kevin998x	sure
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2023-02-18 11:19:16	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1450 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1449 normals)
2023-02-18 11:01:19	m15k	I normally use sdkman.
2023-02-18 11:01:32	m15k	As sometime I need multiple java installations
2023-02-18 11:05:27	qsecofr	m15k: where can i find sdkman?
2023-02-18 11:05:47	m15k	https://sdkman.io/
2023-02-18 11:05:48	phrik	Title: Home - SDKMAN! the Software Development Kit Manager (at sdkman.io)
2023-02-18 11:05:59	m15k	Dunno what's your problem: Finished building target 'images' in configuration 'linux-x86_64-server-release' ;)
2023-02-18 11:06:33	qsecofr	m15k: which branch did you build?
2023-02-18 11:06:38	m15k	master
2023-02-18 11:06:57	m15k	boot jdk 19.
2023-02-18 11:07:05	qsecofr	you need to switch to the wl branch
2023-02-18 11:07:15	m15k	damn it... ^^
2023-02-18 11:07:35	qsecofr	it is pure_wl_toolkit
2023-02-18 11:13:28	m15k	qsecofr: I guess you see the same: https://gist.github.com/asbachb/da82d2a7820a91cb26295216d1862e13
2023-02-18 11:13:59	qsecofr	yes
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2023-02-18 12:06:08	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1451 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1450 normals)
2023-02-18 11:38:44	m15k	qsecofr: Finished building target 'images' in configuration 'linux-x86_64-server-release'
2023-02-18 11:39:21	m15k	OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 20-internal-adhoc.asbachb.wakefield)
2023-02-18 11:50:42	aep	latest rxvt-unicode is super broken. what's everyone else using these days?
2023-02-18 11:55:32	qsecofr	aep: i have to admit using gnome-terminal on X and foot on wl
2023-02-18 11:56:27	qsecofr	m15k: same here but later (this is on an old macbookpro)
2023-02-18 11:56:47	pooya8	st is pretty good other than the shitty rtl
2023-02-18 11:56:47	qsecofr	m15k: did you check ui stuff already?
2023-02-18 11:57:16	m15k	qsecofr: I tried to launch netbeans but it still uses xwayland.
2023-02-18 11:58:26	m15k	segfault ^^
2023-02-18 11:58:46	qsecofr	did you set -Dawt.toolkit.name=WLToolkit?
2023-02-18 11:58:54	m15k	I did.
2023-02-18 11:59:00	qsecofr	:)
2023-02-18 11:59:05	m15k	With that param I get the segfault
2023-02-18 11:59:17	aep	qsecofr: is it nice for non gui users?
2023-02-18 11:59:44	m15k	aep: no. just forget that paramter.
2023-02-18 12:00:04	m15k	experimenta stuff
2023-02-18 12:01:20	m15k	A systemd service cannot set an environment variable, right?
2023-02-18 12:01:55	rsaavedra	Question: Is there something like pcal but for weekly calendar views?
2023-02-18 12:02:59	qsecofr	aep: how do you mean? 
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2023-02-18 12:30:29	qsecofr	m15k: i just compiled a super simple example which doesnt crash but doesnt show a window at all
2023-02-18 12:31:54	m15k	qsecofr: impressive :D
2023-02-18 12:32:20	qsecofr	yes, indeed
2023-02-18 12:32:59	qsecofr	can i ask pacman to install a package but *not* to install the dependencies?
2023-02-18 12:37:50	m15k	qsecofr: What's the use case? I guess you'd need to repackage the pkg: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=234936
2023-02-18 12:37:50	phrik	Title: remakepkg — rebuild pacman packages with changes / Community Contributions / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-02-18 12:38:37	ponies	yes use d twice -dd,  --nodeps, Specify this option twice to skip all dependency checks. qsecofr 
2023-02-18 12:38:42	qsecofr	m15k: usecase is a java program which depends on java but i want my own java to be used (and not to install other javas)
2023-02-18 12:38:45	destructatron	You can't install a package without also installing its dependencies. If something depends on something else, it will not be installed unless that dependency is installed and there's not really much you can do about that.
2023-02-18 12:39:00	qsecofr	ponies: oh, wow, nice. thank you
2023-02-18 12:39:47	nl6720	qsecofr: there's also --assume-installed in case you want to skip only certain dependencies
2023-02-18 12:40:25	ponies	but why qsecofr ?
2023-02-18 12:40:32	qsecofr	nl6720: ah, i needed a fast solution so dd is fine, i think once my java works i should put that one into a proper package
2023-02-18 12:41:01	qsecofr	ponies: as i said: i have the deps as self compiled and just want to  try
2023-02-18 12:42:49	dmn	Is there a PXE option for the archlinux netboot/install option to set the mirror instead of picking it?
2023-02-18 12:43:27	ponies	dmn: i think build your own image
2023-02-18 12:44:23	nl6720	does the netboot image even look at any dhcp options?
2023-02-18 12:46:43	lairnc	how do i add an entry for windows in grub?
2023-02-18 12:47:30	destructatron	You need to use os-prober.
2023-02-18 12:47:48	nl6720	dmn: looks like https://github.com/archlinux/archweb/blob/master/templates/releng/archlinux.ipxe honors "mirrorurl", but I don't know if it gets passed on by https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/blob/packages/ipxe/trunk/arch.ipxe
2023-02-18 12:48:14	dmn	will give it a try - thank you
2023-02-18 12:49:00	destructatron	dmn: You will also need to uncomment the line in /etc/default/grub that tells grub to use os-prober in grub-mkconfig.
2023-02-18 12:50:20	kevin998x	How to fix this `grub-install: error: will not proceed with blocklists` ? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/pHwmWU9a/1676720964.JPG
2023-02-18 12:51:44	nl6720	kevin998x: the first warning is what you want to pay attention to. also, are you sure you want to install GRUB for BIOS instead of UEFI?
2023-02-18 12:52:15	ponies	n1p1 kevin998x 
2023-02-18 12:52:20	kevin998x	nl6720: UEFI
2023-02-18 12:52:49	nl6720	kevin998x: that's not the grub install command for UEFI
2023-02-18 12:52:57	kevin998x	ponies: but how to tell grub this info about `n1p1` ?
2023-02-18 12:53:10	kevin998x	nl6720: what do you mean ?
2023-02-18 12:53:20	destructatron	grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi
2023-02-18 12:53:30	nl6720	kevin998x: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Installation
2023-02-18 12:53:31	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-02-18 12:53:35	destructatron	Assuming /boot/efi is a mount point for /dev/nvme0n1p1, that should work.
2023-02-18 12:53:52	nl6720	eww, "/boot/efi"! why do people keep suggesting that
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2023-02-18 13:13:50	lairnc	destructatron, i installed os-prober, but grub-makecfg isnt generating the windows entry
2023-02-18 13:14:16	lairnc	I have grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2023-02-18 13:15:34	destructatron	lairnc: You need the drive or partition of where your windows install is located mounted somewhere where os-prober can find it. I haven't had to do this myself so I don't know off the top of my head exactly which directories it's going to check.
2023-02-18 13:15:45	lairnc	also ncomment the line in /etc/default/grub that tells grub to use os-prober in grub-mkconfig
2023-02-18 13:16:41	lairnc	destructatron, so mount arch parition and also windows?
2023-02-18 13:16:52	lairnc	I thought it would suffice with mounting the efi partition
2023-02-18 13:17:49	lairnc	also, can i do it in my current arch install, or do i need a live cd?
2023-02-18 13:19:12	destructatron	lairnc: I suggest you look at the wiki entry for os-prober. That'll tell you where things need to be mounted and what to mount.
2023-02-18 13:26:32	mcurran	I installed rvm to try and cleanup my multiple installs of ruby and working with rapid7's software.  Now I no longer have colors in my terminal output.  Is there an easy way to fix this and make the color scheme in terminal back to default?  should I delete the newly created .profile and .bashrc files created for the users which only declares RVM and $HOME etc.
2023-02-18 13:32:54	lairnc	os-probe only give me a blank line
2023-02-18 13:33:39	lairnc	maybe I should manually add the grub entry?
2023-02-18 13:33:42	destructatron	lairnc: If anything is found it'll list it after it's found all your initramfs images.
2023-02-18 13:33:47	lairnc	instead of grub-makecfg?
2023-02-18 13:34:06	lairnc	destructatron, nothing was found then
2023-02-18 13:34:42	destructatron	lairnc: Did you wipe out the EFI partition before installing? If so then there's your problem.
2023-02-18 13:35:12	lairnc	wipe out? as in format?
2023-02-18 13:35:20	destructatron	lairnc: Yes.
2023-02-18 13:35:23	lairnc	I did not
2023-02-18 13:35:30	lairnc	in fact, im currently on linux
2023-02-18 13:35:40	lairnc	i can access grub without issue
2023-02-18 13:35:50	lairnc	the only thing missing is the windows entry
2023-02-18 13:36:19	Namarrgon	is the windowss loader still on the ESP? did you enable osprober in the config?
2023-02-18 13:37:00	lairnc	i enabled osprober in the grub config
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2023-02-18 13:37:55	lairnc	windows loader has to be on the ESP, where else would it be? I can boot to windows just fine, but not throught grub (configuring boot options in firmware).
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2023-02-18 13:44:37	Namarrgon	then get rid of osprober and write the windows entry manually
2023-02-18 13:44:37	lairnc	u mean the windows loader may have been deleted?
2023-02-18 13:44:37	lairnc	how?
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2023-02-18 13:44:37	Namarrgon	the grub page on the wiki has an example
2023-02-18 13:44:37	Namarrgon	if you can still boot into windows then the windows loader is probably fine
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2023-02-18 13:44:37	lairnc	no, i mean how would've been deleted?
2023-02-18 13:44:37	Namarrgon	mkfs, rm, fdisk, hammer, etc
2023-02-18 13:44:37	Namarrgon	it's your system, we don't know
2023-02-18 13:44:37	Namarrgon	mount the ESP and look at it
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2023-02-18 13:44:37	Schrostfutz	Hi, I think I messed up my system after a system update. After grub prompts for the HDD password (btrfs root partition), the system reboots me into the firmware-setup. I booted into the system via an USB stick and can't see anything obvious amiss... Does anyone have some hints as to the potential cause?
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2023-02-18 13:44:37	Namarrgon	"HDD password"?
2023-02-18 13:44:37	Namarrgon	luks?
2023-02-18 13:44:37	Schrostfutz	Yes
2023-02-18 13:44:37	Namarrgon	did grub's config change? was there grub update?
2023-02-18 13:45:54	Namarrgon	drop to the grub shell, unlock the luks container and see what errors you get
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2023-02-18 13:54:38	lairnc	i didnt have ntfs-3g installed, that's why os-prober wasnt finding it
2023-02-18 13:54:38	Schrostfutz	How can I drop into the grub shell from the password prompt? I don't get to the menu afterwards, it immediately reboots. It seems the update included grub (2:2.06.r440 -> r456)
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2023-02-18 13:54:38	Namarrgon	did you merge the pacnews?
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2023-02-18 13:54:38	Schrostfutz	No :/ Do you mean anything beyond /etc/default/grub?
2023-02-18 13:54:38	Namarrgon	in general
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2023-02-18 13:54:56	Schrostfutz	I'll check whether I missed any
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2023-02-18 14:02:22	Namarrgon	the grub log lists a bunch of cryptodisk related commits but nothing looks like it would break an existing setup
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2023-02-18 14:02:22	Namarrgon	especially if you didn't reinstall the payload...
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2023-02-18 14:05:54	darrena092	Hi! I've got a Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 usb audio interface, and have been having some troubles. Initially audio would occasionally drop out requiring a reboot to solve it, with no obvious errors that I could find with `pulseaudio -v`. I set the default sample rate to 48KHz in `/etc/pulse/daemon.conf` which seems to have solved that issue. I'm now having a problem that if any other application
2023-02-18 14:05:54	darrena092	plays audio, audio alr
2023-02-18 14:05:54	darrena092	ightly - for example if I have music playing via Spotify and a notification sound from IRC plays, the music will hitch. Not sure where to even start with investigating that one. Any suggestions of where I could start?
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2023-02-18 14:07:53	Schrostfutz	Haha, turns out the install log asked me to rerun grub-install and grub-mkconfig which of course I ignored... That solved it! Thanks a lot Namarrgon!
2023-02-18 14:07:55	Namarrgon	not doing that shouldn't have cause any issues
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2023-02-18 14:08:23	Namarrgon	the message is only there to remind you that you must update both in sync to avoid partial updates
2023-02-18 14:10:54	Namarrgon	if you don't update one then you don't need to update the other
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2023-02-18 14:10:54	teraflops	darrena092: Using pulseaudio? I have 0 issues with the 4i4 using pipe wire
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2023-02-18 14:10:54	darrena092	@teraflops yeah I'm on pulseaudio for now. Honestly I just need reliable audio output, I'm not doing anything other than listening to music so figured I would go with the path of least resistance. If you're getting on okay with pipewire though I'll maybe give it a go.
2023-02-18 14:15:34	teraflops	My main use case is to record audio but I have no issues playing audio as well
2023-02-18 14:15:34	teraflops	I'd give a try to pipewire honestly
2023-02-18 14:15:34	destructatron	darrena092: Pipewire is fine for most cases, so you should be fine. Unless you have a surround sound system, I've had issues with my surround sound headphones ever since pipewire was a thing.
2023-02-18 14:15:34	darrena092	Wish I still had time to record stuff, too much other work these days :-( - okay I'll give pipewire a go. Thank you!
2023-02-18 14:15:34	teraflops	With pipewire-jack it works like a dream
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2023-02-18 14:20:34	teraflops	reaper and guitarix that the software I use with the 4i4
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2023-02-18 14:28:32	darrena092	Nice, never tried Guitarix - I just record from my Boss Katana amp.
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2023-02-18 14:28:32	darrena092	Works perfectly with pipewire, no more problems. Thanks again!
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2023-02-18 14:28:43	teraflops	Nice
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2023-02-18 16:45:33	megumin	it should show the last command
2023-02-18 16:46:40	cyphertite_	darrena092:  np, but if you need an effective cloakme, `/join #wireguard` and wait for Jason (the lead WG dev) to show up - and have a chat :D
2023-02-18 16:56:31	grawity	megumin: has gnome-terminal ever done that? currently running command or the one that just exited?
2023-02-18 16:58:54	yourname	somehow at some point in the past i managed to link my home folder to my /srv/nfs/home folder, however it doesnt show up as a symlink, nor did i manually mount  it (as it persists between reboots) and it isnt in my /etc/fstab file.. anyone got an idea how i might have done so in the past? as i want to undo it
2023-02-18 16:59:11	yourname	blergh and my name wasnt set
2023-02-18 17:00:00	grawity	what does it show up in `findmnt` as?
2023-02-18 17:01:39	yourname	─/srv/nfs/home /dev/nvme0n1p2[/home/shadu] ext4 rw,relatime
2023-02-18 17:01:45	yourname	thats what it shows up as
2023-02-18 17:02:56	grawity	does `systemctl cat /srv/nfs/home` show a location for a .mount unit?
2023-02-18 17:03:33	grawity	it looks like a bind mount, and those are not any more permanent than a regular mount would be
2023-02-18 17:03:44	yourname	is says "No files found for srv-nfs-home.mount."
2023-02-18 17:03:58	grawity	some kind of shellscript or a .service setting it up, then
2023-02-18 17:04:16	grawity	`sudo grep -r shadu /etc`
2023-02-18 17:04:38	megumin	grawity: the one that just exited it shows currently running cummand
2023-02-18 17:05:46	megumin	grawity: trap 'echo -ne "\033]2;$(history 1 | sed "s/^[ ]*[0-9]*[ ]*//g")\007"' DEBUG
2023-02-18 17:06:37	yourname	grawity: you were right, seems i had the line "sudo mount --bind ~/ /srv/nfs/home/" in a script i added
2023-02-18 17:07:16	rcf	The joys of forgetting one’s own modifications…..
2023-02-18 17:07:34	yourname	indeed.. especially when i was newer to linux
2023-02-18 17:08:32	yourname	atleast its fixed now and then to properly have it mount when it cant hurt to take the server offline
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2023-02-18 17:36:15	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2023-02-18 17:36:16	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-02-18 18:15:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2023-02-18 18:15:12	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-02-18 18:15:38	teraflops	for CORS you have to setup an iRule
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2023-02-18 18:22:49	jensen	is Emacs from default repo Wayland-native or Xwayland?
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2023-02-18 18:25:31	teraflops	jensen: type xlsclients in a terminal while emacs is open I guess
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2023-02-18 21:26:54	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2023-02-18 20:31:38	destructatron	Wo, looks like it's the ram. I have 16GB, asked memtester to test 8, and the whole thing nearly nuked itself.
2023-02-18 20:34:38	MrElendig	reseat the ram
2023-02-18 20:34:53	MrElendig	also test one stick at a time
2023-02-18 20:37:45	destructatron	Am I right in thinking the stick in bank 0 gets data first?
2023-02-18 20:38:25	MrElendig	no
2023-02-18 20:38:31	mefistofeles	that used to be a thing, but not sure anymore in modern boards
2023-02-18 20:38:50	MrElendig	not since we started to do paging
2023-02-18 20:39:39	destructatron	My system is using about 2GB, I'm running memtester and asked it to test 2GB so that stick is working fine. As soon as I ask it for 8 though and it goes to the other stick, it just nukes itself.
2023-02-18 20:40:25	destructatron	I'm using an HP desktop from late 2018 if that helps.
2023-02-18 20:41:32	MrElendig	memtest bypasses all the fun optimisations the kernel does
2023-02-18 20:42:21	destructatron	There's no screen reader in there so I can't actually use it. I'm blind and rely on a screen reader to actually use my computer.
2023-02-18 20:43:11	Tom^	if it were me i would run memtest on one stick at a time. as in actually pull one out
2023-02-18 20:43:31	MrElendig	just reseating the ram might even fix it
2023-02-18 20:45:41	destructatron	By reseating, do you mean just take the ram out and put it back in in case something's got loose in there.
2023-02-18 20:46:00	MrElendig	yes
2023-02-18 20:46:01	katt	yes
2023-02-18 20:46:17	destructatron	I see. Thank you.
2023-02-18 20:46:22	MrElendig	not just something coming lose, but bad connection due to oxydation or whatever too
2023-02-18 20:47:15	katt	swapping slots can also be worth it, my system keeps kernel panicing if I place my RAM the other way around but works perfectly fine this way
2023-02-18 20:47:22	katt	computers are powered by dark magic after all
2023-02-18 20:50:09	destructatron	Last year in January I had to get my UEFI settings reset by someone due to me enabling legacy mode, but the ram was fine after that for a few months, then the issues started.
2023-02-18 21:19:26	winmost	So I'm trying out gocryptfs. I managed to create a directory and mount it, but how do I dismount it? There's no command for it
2023-02-18 21:20:57	braindamage	fusermount -u if it's fuse
2023-02-18 21:21:03	winmost	Yup
2023-02-18 21:21:06	winmost	Thank you
2023-02-18 21:21:13	winmost	Was about to write that its fusermount
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2023-02-18 21:49:22	HEX0	I never used plymouth before but now I noticed this in journald https://paste.rs/zta
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2023-02-18 21:50:16	HEX0	Using sd-encrypt for home partition though
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2023-02-18 22:21:22	ℹ 	Guest3260 es conocido ahora como SenFache
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2023-02-22 20:11:37	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2023-02-22 19:29:18	laocid	hello guys. i can't connect to eduroam via wpa_supplicant. i used this tool (https://cat.eduroam.org/) to generate a wpa_supplicant config file and certificate. '$ wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf' results in an AUTH_FAILED error as seen here: https://pastebin.com/LLzFFk1y
2023-02-22 19:29:19	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/Hspf.txt
2023-02-22 19:29:19	phrik	Title: Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant...wlan0: SME: Trying to authenticate - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-02-22 19:31:13	laocid	for some reason it stopped working after a few days, maybe i just had a lucky setup which finally broke..?
2023-02-22 19:46:04	gnana	anyone fan of hyprland wm?
2023-02-22 19:48:39	mefistofeles	gnana: wow, actually interesting, cool
2023-02-22 19:48:41	asterisms	Common amulet (128a**8888**db4d6e9e1224805f90bad6e906bc4b7748064503b3258ba948ca3616)
2023-02-22 19:48:54	gnana	i did not liked it
2023-02-22 19:49:47	gnana	can i get picom can get animations, if yes how?
2023-02-22 19:53:22	J_Darnley	Does anyone have a tip for wrapping `mkdir` in an autotools configure script so I can see what path it is getting "permission denied" for?
2023-02-22 20:04:21	J_Darnley	oh strace might do it
2023-02-22 20:06:44	J_Darnley	lol no
2023-02-22 20:09:39	J_Darnley	-f makes it trace children too
2023-02-22 20:10:05	J_Darnley	22663 mkdir(".tmp_22662", 0777)         = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
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2023-02-25 14:02:17	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-02-25 14:07:43	ℹ 	jeffre_ es conocido ahora como jagaloon
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2023-02-25 14:08:32	D-rex	any ideas on why reflector would take an extremely long time?  I just bought a new computer and im installing arch and I run reflector on it and it's now going on 53 minutes and it's still chugging away throughing occasional error about 403 or 404 or some sort of timeout.
2023-02-25 14:08:47	D-rex	command i used was "sudo reflector --country "United States" --completion-percent 100 --protocol "http,https" --sort rate"
2023-02-25 14:09:23	D-rex	throwing*
2023-02-25 14:09:27	jelle	it doesn't use any sane timeout
2023-02-25 14:09:53	D-rex	maybe thats it. how many us servers are there?
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2023-02-25 14:10:06	jelle	D-rex: you can also limit the amount of servers queried
2023-02-25 14:10:20	jelle	with like --latest 30
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2023-02-25 14:10:44	D-rex	if i cancel this and restart it shouldnt mess anything up right?
2023-02-25 14:10:56	D-rex	cancel the reflector thats running
2023-02-25 14:10:58	rcf	Indeed
2023-02-25 14:11:08	rcf	You can always generate another mirror list 
2023-02-25 14:11:08	ℹ 	jagaloon es conocido ahora como jeffre
2023-02-25 14:11:12	D-rex	true
2023-02-25 14:11:13	jelle	I think it only prints out the mirrors
2023-02-25 14:11:22	Ennea	jelle, it has an option to write it directly to the file iirc
2023-02-25 14:11:28	Ennea	but that's off by default
2023-02-25 14:12:33	D-rex	Ennea: whats the argument for that 
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2023-02-25 14:20:19	D-rex	is there no option to set the timeout in reflector?
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2023-02-25 14:22:20	jelle	D-rex: yes, see --help
2023-02-25 14:22:48	jelle	--connection-timeout or --download-timeout
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2023-02-25 14:26:53	mkoskar	NetSysFire: your client sets regulatory domain (country) to what your ap advertises for specific ssid, e.g., with wpa_supplicant you might see "wpa_supplicant[636]: wlan0: CTRL-EVENT-REGDOM-CHANGE init=CORE type=WORLD" and then "wpa_supplicant[636]: wlan0: CTRL-EVENT-REGDOM-CHANGE init=USER type=COUNTRY alpha2=SK" since my AP is set to SK
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2023-02-25 14:27:30	NetSysFire	huh, didnt know that. thanks
2023-02-25 14:27:45	D-rex	jelle: thanks.  forgot all about the help commands been a while since ive done this
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2023-02-25 14:27:54	NetSysFire	mkoskar: i see both DE and EU there
2023-02-25 14:28:00	mkoskar	you should see what your AP advertises in e.g., `iw dev wlan0 scan dump -u` or alike
2023-02-25 14:28:17	mkoskar	some don't advertise country
2023-02-25 14:29:06	NetSysFire	Country: EU Environment: Indoor/Outdoor
2023-02-25 14:29:58	NetSysFire	mkoskar: i actually have some problems with that AP and i see both DE and EU and i figure this *might* be contributing to the problem
2023-02-25 14:30:15	NetSysFire	its an AP issue, not a driver issue (it appears) but its still very interesting background info
2023-02-25 14:30:23	mkoskar	but where you see both?
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2023-02-25 14:30:51	NetSysFire	in my journal
2023-02-25 14:31:27	NetSysFire	Feb 25 07:22:07 archlinux wpa_supplicant[757]: wlp0s20f3: CTRL-EVENT-REGDOM-CHANGE init=DRIVER type=COUNTRY alpha2=EU
2023-02-25 14:31:33	NetSysFire	Feb 24 23:18:04 archlinux wpa_supplicant[757]: wlp0s20f3: CTRL-EVENT-REGDOM-CHANGE init=DRIVER type=COUNTRY alpha2=DE
2023-02-25 14:31:39	NetSysFire	same network, same config
2023-02-25 14:31:53	mkoskar	NetSysFire: I think EU might be ok, generally I mean, all EU countries have same regulatory limits, if you look in that db.txt file I've linked before and compare DE with SK say, it's same content
2023-02-25 14:32:12	NetSysFire	do you have a path to db.txt?
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2023-02-25 14:32:21	bf_	Hello folks
2023-02-25 14:32:32	bf_	Maybe here is someone with a bit of firejail experience?
2023-02-25 14:32:33	NetSysFire	i cant find wpa_supplicant in either /usr/share or /usr/lib
2023-02-25 14:32:38	NetSysFire	bf_: theres #firejail :p
2023-02-25 14:32:43	bf_	I'm trying to run a program on exactly one file
2023-02-25 14:32:47	bf_	Ok :D
2023-02-25 14:32:49	bf_	thanks
2023-02-25 14:32:51	mkoskar	NetSysFire: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/sforshee/wireless-regdb.git/plain/db.txt this is what wireless-regdb compile from
2023-02-25 14:32:56	mkoskar	*compiles
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2023-02-25 14:35:03	NetSysFire	hm but i dont see EU in there
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2023-02-25 14:36:23	mkoskar	yeah, that's kinda confusing in your case, but NetSysFire your AP advertises EU, change it to DE
2023-02-25 14:36:36	mkoskar	if you can that is
2023-02-25 14:36:38	NetSysFire	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2086570
2023-02-25 14:36:39	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Failed to reconnect to AP after channel change(?) / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-02-25 14:36:56	NetSysFire	its a weird AP and this might be another bug i have to bother the isp folks with
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2023-02-25 14:58:18	grtcdr	I'm currently building a search engine for arch-wiki-docs and Emacs, however the last time the arch-wiki-docs package was built is from November of last year, is there a status on the maintenance of the package? It wouldn't help to build a search engine that targets documentation that is quite old by Arch standards. 
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2023-02-25 15:10:36	ℹ 	rcf es conocido ahora como Putin
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2023-02-25 15:12:51	ℹ 	Putin es conocido ahora como rcf
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2023-02-25 15:16:43	Ennea	grtcdr, i think arch-wiki-docs is just a script that allows downloading arch wiki pages for later offline browsing
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2023-02-25 15:18:31	BrainDamage	Ennea: no, it's a copy of the wiki, stripped down
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2023-02-25 15:19:05	BrainDamage	grtcdr: it gets rebuilt every 6 months or so
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2023-02-25 15:19:43	Ennea	ah, i was only looking at the script itself, not at the pkgbuild for the package
2023-02-25 15:19:45	Ennea	i see
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2023-02-25 15:45:05	grtcdr	BrainDamage: I think 6 months might be a little too long? Articles of certain packages, especially after a breaking change, may become outdated and outright wrong.
2023-02-25 15:45:26	grtcdr	Is there any possibility for the development team to reconsider the update policy for this package?
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2023-03-07 13:19:05	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2023-03-07 13:09:56	mpan	See <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Domain_name_resolution#Name_Service_Switch>, if you have systemd-resolved. I do not use it myself, so in this case can’t provide more details.
2023-03-07 13:09:57	phrik	Title: Domain name resolution - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-03-07 13:11:09	mpan	Perhaps systemd-resolved configuration affects it.
2023-03-07 13:19:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-03-07 13:25:20	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-03-28 18:23:57	trev	hope you played the game too 🙂
2023-03-28 18:24:01	rcf	trev: also, for a git package that’s not checking out a specific tag you should be using a pkgver() function
2023-03-28 18:24:42	gromit	.. or checkout the appropriate tag
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2023-03-28 18:25:17	trev	no tags right now
2023-03-28 18:25:25	trev	i could do that i suppose
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2023-03-28 18:25:50	zenomat	you trying to package your own game?
2023-03-28 18:26:33	trev	zenomat yeah
2023-03-28 18:26:37	trev	lol
2023-03-28 18:26:56	trev	is that a faux pas?
2023-03-28 18:27:00	zenomat	cool, hobby project?
2023-03-28 18:27:37	trev	yeah, just a small thing to do some C programming
2023-03-28 18:27:47	trev	i play it during work meetings
2023-03-28 18:27:51	trev	hehe
2023-03-28 18:28:12	zenomat	haha, you got a link? im in the mood for a bit of internet safari today
2023-03-28 18:28:35	gromit	zenomat: you joined a minute too late xD https://github.com/trevarj/dotris/blob/master/PKGBUILD
2023-03-28 18:28:40	zenomat	oh^^
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2023-03-28 18:29:54	zenomat	ey, looks cool
2023-03-28 18:29:58	trev	ty
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2023-03-28 18:31:14	zenomat	did some graphics programming recently, using sdl and I had a fun bug, where it would freeze my pc till it ran out of ram, which could take like 10/15 min each time. took a while till I figured out, that rendering at 15k FPS isn't too cool for the pc
2023-03-28 18:31:31	lavaball	now get this, with my other users it works. with 1005, it doesn't. there is no /sys/fs/cgroup/user.slice/user-1005.slice either. just 0-4. even though i added a delegate file. anyway, i'll just use this users. no biggy. oh, i'm talking about my lxc no medium found bus question from earlier.
2023-03-28 18:31:47	Ingar	zenomat: if you had an nvidia card, it would explode :)
2023-03-28 18:32:13	zenomat	i do, but it was all rendered on the cpu, so luckily I can keep my card^^
2023-03-28 18:32:30	Ingar	haha
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2023-04-02 11:29:16	fourHZ	fixed by modproble btusb
2023-04-02 11:29:18	fourHZ	thanks\
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2023-04-10 11:42:26	dirtcastle	my arch system broke. touchpad, mouse , wifi , ethernet doesn't work. 
2023-04-10 11:42:34	dirtcastle	idk what to do 
2023-04-10 11:43:33	dirtcastle	I just did an update and rebooted. 
2023-04-10 11:45:38	sshine	has anyone had luck booting an arch install USB on a Lenovo P16 Gen 1? I've disabled everything I can see in the UEFI BIOS that resembles a proprietary boot restriction, and looking at the boot menu, the USB key does detect, but selecting it, the screen just blanks for a while and the system reboots.
2023-04-10 11:46:38	sshine	the Lenovo page on the Arch wiki mentions P14, P15 and P17. this is a pretty new machine. I don't know the Lenovo versioning well, but I suspect I'm either not disabling enough things in the UEFI BIOS, or that I need to perform some small hack.
2023-04-10 11:47:01	sshine	the USB worked fine on my noname gamer laptop, and inspecting it, it looks very much UEFI-compatible.
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2023-04-10 11:52:11	sshine	I feel like you could spend a career just getting to know the Intel hardware platform. there's so much cool stuff, but I just don't know how much of it breaks Linux right now. seems like half of it has a "this is how you do it with Linux", but since it's made by Intel, I don't know how pervasive it is yet.
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2023-04-10 11:54:45	sshine	e.g. Intel TXT (Trusted eXecution Technology) does get addressed by the Linux community -- https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/intel_txt.txt -- but if it's supported, seems that's not a default yet.
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2023-04-10 11:59:13	teraflops	sshine: worked fine? which iso are you using? I'd recommend downloading the latest one
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2023-04-10 11:59:29	sshine	feels like there are several categories of security layers I'm disabling: 1) proprietary ones that don't align with Linux, 2) ones that don't have wide adoption in Linux yet, 3) ones that do have support, but require me to get smarter first, and 4) ones I don't know whether will mess up my boot, so I'll just disable them because I don't know any better (e.g. "Data Execution Prevention", a kind
2023-04-10 11:59:29	sshine	of memory 
2023-04-10 11:59:35	sshine	protection that says "If your OS supports ...")
2023-04-10 11:59:43	sshine	teraflops, my ISO is only a couple of weeks old.
2023-04-10 12:00:29	sshine	teraflops, and great, thanks :) gives me confidence I'll eventually boot, hehe.
2023-04-10 12:01:11	MrElendig	greyltc: was busy with the cat which brought in something alive
2023-04-10 12:01:21	MrElendig	greyltc: but you can try something like https://bpa.st/NDW2C  (not really tested)
2023-04-10 12:01:22	phrik	Title: View paste NDW2C (at bpa.st)
2023-04-10 12:02:34	MrElendig	awk -f parsever.awk .SRCINFO
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2023-04-10 12:03:46	sshine	*toot* I just had to disable enough stuff!
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2023-04-10 12:05:15	teraflops	I'd just do git ls-remote but that doesn't work with PKGBUILDS
2023-04-10 12:05:42	sshine	does anyone here run zfs on / in Arch?
2023-04-10 12:06:02	MrElendig	ask your actual question instead
2023-04-10 12:06:24	sshine	my actual question is: if anyone did, was the experience bumpy?
2023-04-10 12:06:49	teraflops	from what I read here, you better use lts kernel
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2023-04-10 12:08:22	MrElendig	yea zol might take a few houers -> weeks to update their patches for the latest kernel
2023-04-10 12:09:29	MrElendig	and as always: backup any data you care about
2023-04-10 12:09:32	demonicmaniac1	sshine: no really you didn't need to disable any txt or dep or anything of the sort. it's simply that generally usb uefi boot is disabled on most current laptops and computers - business machines anyways - and need explicit whitelisting or you boot them legacy csm
2023-04-10 12:09:33	sshine	I really like what Ubuntu did to their installer in terms of making zfs available.
2023-04-10 12:09:57	MrElendig	sshine: unless you use ubuntu server, which is where it would kinda make the most sense to make it available :p
2023-04-10 12:10:00	demonicmaniac1	reenable everything except secure boot and enable legacy/csm and then just in startup whitelist/enable the usb "hdd" uefi
2023-04-10 12:10:07	sshine	demonicmaniac1, I can't say if disabling TXT or disabling the "Windows-specific fluff" checkbox did the trick. but I'm in now. :-)
2023-04-10 12:10:14	demonicmaniac1	it didn't
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2023-04-10 12:10:27	demonicmaniac1	don't just disable stuff willy nilly please
2023-04-10 12:11:03	sshine	well, I disabled one thing at a time until I could boot. I'd rather have a less secure computer that runs an operating system, than a 5 kg brick with all the Intel bells and whistles. ;-)
2023-04-10 12:11:24	sshine	now, I might re-enable everything and try every combination until I get the set of least things to disable to be able to boot.
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2023-04-10 12:12:29	sshine	demonicmaniac1, I used to pick the legacy mode, but as far as I could see, the wording "legacy" isn't used here. but there is some "OS-specific (*cough* Windows *cough*) stuff that disabled most of the things I had manually disabled.
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2023-04-10 12:14:21	sshine	I met a Linux distro developer at a hacker camp who was into SecureBoot. seemed pretty cool to actually put your certificates on the hardware and get some of those hardware features. I told myself I'd put that on the list of cool stuff to investigate *eventually*.
2023-04-10 12:14:26	demonicmaniac1	it's generally called csm
2023-04-10 12:14:31	sshine	demonicmaniac1, ok!
2023-04-10 12:14:52	demonicmaniac1	a compatibility mode essentially 
2023-04-10 12:15:00	sshine	right
2023-04-10 12:15:34	dirtcastle	my system broke. I used to do dual boot but I erased windows. if I don't add fat32 /boot partition to fstab the system boots but wifi,mouse,touchpad, ethernet doesn't work. if I add /boot partition I get failed to mount /boot when I try to login. 
2023-04-10 12:16:35	MrElendig	uname -r; pacman -Q linux
2023-04-10 12:17:04	MrElendig	and by fat32 /boot, do you mean an esp?
2023-04-10 12:17:15	dirtcastle	yes MrElendig 
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2023-04-10 12:17:32	dirtcastle	the pacman update happened properly 
2023-04-10 12:17:41	demonicmaniac1	essentially all you need to do is disable secure boot in security and then in startup make sure to whitelist/select the usb device in question specifically. at least that was my latest latitude and thinkpad experience a few years ago
2023-04-10 12:17:59	MrElendig	sounds like a classic mismatched kernel version
2023-04-10 12:18:40	dirtcastle	secure boot is already disabled 
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2023-04-10 12:19:49	dirtcastle	MrElendig: how to fix the mismatched kernel version
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2023-04-10 12:20:05	ℹ 	tr_ev es conocido ahora como trev
2023-04-10 12:20:44	dirtcastle	uname -r gives 6.2.8. pacman -Q linux gives 6.2.10
2023-04-10 12:20:47	MrElendig	by updating the kernel and making sure you are booting the correct one
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2023-04-10 12:21:21	dirtcastle	how to update kernel
2023-04-10 12:21:29	dirtcastle	pacman -S linux?
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2023-04-10 12:21:34	MrElendig	boot install image, mount root to /mnt, mount esp to /boot, arch-chroot in; pacman -S linux
2023-04-10 12:21:51	MrElendig	then make sure your bootloader is configured to actually boot the kernel off the esp
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2023-04-10 12:23:23	dirtcastle	mount esp to /mnt/boot right?
2023-04-10 12:23:45	MrElendig	yes, *after* mounting the root to /mnt
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2023-04-10 12:24:28	sshine	dirtcastle, this P16 came with a bunch more stuff enabled because the IT admin is quite deeply invested into remote management. among things I hadn't seen before, I had to disable a kind of remote management that intercepts TCP packets and exposes itself on a port. I'm sure this is cool stuff if you've got the remote controller, and you've managed to put this computer on a VPN. but I prefer to
2023-04-10 12:24:28	sshine	just run 
2023-04-10 12:24:34	sshine	commands on the keyboard. :-D
2023-04-10 12:24:39	sshine	oops, that was for demonicmaniac1.
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2023-04-10 12:28:48	dirtcastle	MrElendig: is there a way to avoid this pacman -S linux problem in the future?
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2023-04-10 15:09:14	luna_	https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/commit/?h=firefox-bin&id=b98ba37f5a035ca704a47410e763322549162da3
2023-04-10 15:09:17	phrik	Title: 112 update - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-04-10 17:18:51	kupi	hi, I'm trying to merge /etc/shells with pacdiff but I get the message Unable to find a base package.
2023-04-10 17:19:57	kupi	does that mean I can delete /etc/shells?
2023-04-10 17:22:30	astralc	no
2023-04-10 17:22:59	astralc	did you have 'base' installed?
2023-04-10 17:23:08	Namarrgon	what gives you that message?
2023-04-10 17:23:19	kupi	yes I do
2023-04-10 17:23:23	kupi	pacdiff gives that message
2023-04-10 17:23:41	kupi	if I search it the only result I get is the source code of pacdiff
2023-04-10 17:23:45	astralc	what is the command you are using?
2023-04-10 17:23:53	kupi	DIFFPROG=meld sudo pacdiff
2023-04-10 17:25:27	astralc	is opening meld alone (as root) also show this error?
2023-04-10 17:26:29	kupi	just sudo meld? no, but as I said the message only exists in the source code of pacdiff on the whole internet
2023-04-10 17:27:34	kupi	https://patchwork.archlinux.org/series/905/mbox/pacdiff-learn-M-erge-mode.patch
2023-04-10 17:28:11	kupi	this contains the error message "Unable to find a base package."
2023-04-10 17:28:59	astralc	can you give output (in paste) of `pacman -Qk filesystem`
2023-04-10 17:29:17	kupi	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman-contrib/-/blob/master/src/pacdiff.sh.in#L176
2023-04-10 17:29:19	phrik	Title: src/pacdiff.sh.in · master · Pacman / Pacman Contrib · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-04-10 17:30:29	kupi	it's just one line: filesystem: 120 total files, 0 missing files
2023-04-10 17:32:51	astralc	I see it search in pacman package cache dir for the package, i'm not sure how it used
2023-04-10 17:33:27	astralc	anyway, you need /etc/shells, just merge new stuff, but make sure to keep what already there
2023-04-10 17:33:49	astralc	otherwise, you won't be able to login if you changed your shell
2023-04-10 17:35:12	astralc	also, it is in automatic 'merge' use, not for using meld 
2023-04-10 17:35:43	Namarrgon	that warning is only there if you hit 'M'erge, not 'V'iew and only if the package that provides that file is not found in the cache
2023-04-10 17:35:44	kupi	I am using it in such a way the wiki recommends
2023-04-10 17:36:09	kupi	that is not a warning becaue meld does not open due it
2023-04-10 17:36:23	Namarrgon	hit the 'V' key instead
2023-04-10 17:37:08	kupi	right, thanks
2023-04-10 17:39:44	kupi	what is the merge option for?
2023-04-10 17:46:53	Namarrgon	kupi: it attempts to merge all three files
2023-04-10 17:55:55	quitman	hm, just played with the archinstall script in a vm and i did set encryption with password but it does not ask for any password at boot. just curious to what i/the script might have missed?
2023-04-10 18:03:23	Namarrgon	quitman: #archinstall
2023-04-10 18:03:45	quitman	okay :)
2023-04-10 18:08:45	kupi	What can I do if my system is frozen due to OOM?
2023-04-10 18:10:00	Namarrgon	why is it OOM?
2023-04-10 18:11:08	kupi	because I opened a webpage to test my gpu
2023-04-10 18:11:17	kupi	Maybe the page has a bug
2023-04-10 18:11:45	MrElendig	probably just mining bitcoins
2023-04-10 18:11:46	Namarrgon	it's unlikely that a page made your system out of ram
2023-04-10 18:12:10	Namarrgon	a buggy gpu driver locking up is what usually happens
2023-04-10 18:12:47	kupi	oh cool, so nvidia has worse driver quality than nouveaououuu
2023-04-10 18:13:18	Namarrgon	can you switch to a vt?
2023-04-10 18:13:29	kupi	No
2023-04-10 18:13:38	kupi	But the mouse moved a pixel after 5 min
2023-04-10 18:14:50	MrElendig	try spamming ctrl-alt-del
2023-04-10 18:14:51	kenwoodfox	Turns out you guys were right (haha surprise), its not just my erronous fstab entry with the network share thats to blame, i still cant mount root for some reason
2023-04-10 18:14:51	kenwoodfox	So, current plan of attack is figure ut how to unlock the root account so i dont have to keep hotkey-switching to my live USB, see if i can run some comamnds to actually explain*why* root fails
2023-04-10 18:16:13	kupi	MrElendig: nothing happens
2023-04-10 18:16:46	kupi	RMS is punishing me with some black magic for installing the proprietary nvidia driver
2023-04-10 18:17:18	mefistofeles	lol
2023-04-10 18:17:19	MrElendig	eh, amd and intel are no better
2023-04-10 18:17:46	MrElendig	my old laptop reliably crashes if I try to use most maps like osm/google maps
2023-04-10 18:17:47	kupi	With the open source driver the page crashed after hanging the system for 10 sec
2023-04-10 18:17:52	MrElendig	and its intel igp
2023-04-10 18:18:05	mefistofeles	kupi: what site is it?
2023-04-10 18:18:20	kupi	mfisher-apollanas.com
2023-04-10 18:18:37	kupi	fsckid up
2023-04-10 18:18:48	kupi	mfisher-apollonas.com
2023-04-10 18:19:18	kupi	Lol it works on my freqking phone
2023-04-10 18:19:55	kupi	is this the future of linux deskrop? Just use android-x86?
2023-04-10 18:20:09	mefistofeles	kupi: works here (crappy site though), with intel gpu
2023-04-10 18:20:35	kupi	crappy site but proven greqt for a system stqbility test lol
2023-04-10 18:20:44	kupi	My pc is still frozen
2023-04-10 18:21:01	kupi	I could just unplug it but I want to learn how to turn it off properly
2023-04-10 18:22:10	mefistofeles	kupi: so, what gpu?
2023-04-10 18:22:18	Namarrgon	that's a scroll-wheel benchmark
2023-04-10 18:22:21	kupi	gtx-1650
2023-04-10 18:22:43	kenwoodfox	What a strange error, dosn't understand vfat? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/506631005189177355/1095020521516707970/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_97986ce1-d992-4fb5-8718-09140ba6f9f5.jpg
2023-04-10 18:23:11	kenwoodfox	mount -a same error, dosn't understand vfat, type EFI System, does that use vfat?
2023-04-10 18:23:15	kenwoodfox	thats where my /boot is
2023-04-10 18:23:20	kenwoodfox	never had this sort of thing happen before
2023-04-10 18:23:24	Namarrgon	you're probably booting the wrong kernel or the wrong initramfs
2023-04-10 18:23:33	Namarrgon	or both
2023-04-10 18:23:37	kenwoodfox	Weird,
2023-04-10 18:23:42	kenwoodfox	well im in recovery shell rn
2023-04-10 18:23:45	kenwoodfox	can i mkinitpio?
2023-04-10 18:23:50	kenwoodfox	or, try and fetch a new kernel>?
2023-04-10 18:23:52	Namarrgon	not weird if you forgot to mount /boot before a kernel upgrade
2023-04-10 18:24:07	Namarrgon	uname -r  && pacman -Q linux
2023-04-10 18:24:18	kenwoodfox	Ahh, ok, you know what that might have been it
2023-04-10 18:24:35	mefistofeles	kupi: https://i.imgur.com/AUbteju.png GPU usage is pretty high for that site 
2023-04-10 18:24:46	kenwoodfox	well damn, you're right! 6.2.8 vs 6.2.10
2023-04-10 18:24:49	kenwoodfox	they dont match
2023-04-10 18:25:17	kenwoodfox	Ok im gonna back out of this, go back to the install media how about, make sure /boot is mounted. and reinstall kernel
2023-04-10 18:25:20	kupi	mefistofeles: even if it that is the case I don't expect a tab to bring down my whole system
2023-04-10 18:25:20	kenwoodfox	sound alright?
2023-04-10 18:25:52	kupi	The fix is using the open source driver because nvidia is so bad at writing drivers?
2023-04-10 18:26:01	mefistofeles	kupi: I guess, but also, GPU sucks in Linux, manufacturers don't really support many features 
2023-04-10 18:26:31	mefistofeles	kupi: I guess, or use intel
2023-04-10 18:26:36	kupi	I didn't expect much features, I would be satisfied with a page crash
2023-04-10 18:26:49	mefistofeles	that page is s shitshow, though
2023-04-10 18:26:52	mefistofeles	a*
2023-04-10 18:27:03	mefistofeles	it's very unoptimized
2023-04-10 18:27:22	kupi	I always thought the open source driver is worse for nvidia... What the heck
2023-04-10 18:27:38	Namarrgon	kenwoodfox: if you have the uname -r kernel in the cache then you can downgrade to it, mount /boot and then -Syu again
2023-04-10 18:27:46	mefistofeles	kupi: not in every case, no
2023-04-10 18:28:25	mefistofeles	kupi: lemme try forcing the nvidia driver (I have an optimus laptop) with prime-run 
2023-04-10 18:29:27	kenwoodfox	Namarrgon: Ok ill let you know how that goes
2023-04-10 18:30:00	kupi	it's been around 30 min, now it started to switch tty but the screen is only black with an underscore blinking
2023-04-10 18:30:03	mefistofeles	kupi: it crashes, but my system isn't frozen, just the browser
2023-04-10 18:30:40	Namarrgon	kupi: short hit on the powerswitch should initiate a proper acpi shutdown
2023-04-10 18:31:03	mefistofeles	(on tty I think) 
2023-04-10 18:31:08	Namarrgon	if that doesn't work either the sysrq-sync, wait a few minutes and re-cycle it
2023-04-10 18:31:11	kupi	What do you mean by short? 2 sec? I tried that a ton of times
2023-04-10 18:31:25	Namarrgon	shorter
2023-04-10 18:31:27	mefistofeles	kupi: just clicking it from tty should do it 
2023-04-10 18:32:27	kupi	This is weird, i can type in the tty but there is not login prompt
2023-04-10 18:33:16	kupi	You mean clicking the power button?
2023-04-10 18:33:34	kupi	Nothing happens
2023-04-10 18:33:40	kupi	Fuck you nvidia
2023-04-10 18:34:04	kenwoodfox	Namarrgon: Ok so, i tried chrooting over, making sure i also mounted boot, and i -Syu linux again, but, still no go, not quite sure why. in chroot uname -r seems to return the version of the usb stick?
2023-04-10 18:34:22	mefistofeles	kupi: try another tty? maybe that one lets you log in
2023-04-10 18:34:57	kupi	All of them just have a blinking cursor
2023-04-10 18:35:06	mefistofeles	hmm
2023-04-10 18:36:03	kupi	Are you sure it's not strictly OOM problem? I had the exatcly same problem not related to gpu intensive stuff on my intel igp laptop 
2023-04-10 18:36:25	kupi	How can I prevent this? Does linuz-zen help?
2023-04-10 18:36:40	Namarrgon	kenwoodfox: did you mount /mnt/boot before you chrooted?
2023-04-10 18:36:53	kenwoodfox	Namarrgon: I did yeah it mounts fine and its all there
2023-04-10 18:37:03	Namarrgon	did you reinstall the kernel?
2023-04-10 18:37:05	kenwoodfox	I was thinking of trying 1.2 next: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/downgrading_packages
2023-04-10 18:37:06	phrik	Title: Downgrading packages - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-04-10 18:37:11	kenwoodfox	yeah i did pacman -Syu linux
2023-04-10 18:37:18	Namarrgon	did you reboot?
2023-04-10 18:37:20	kenwoodfox	yep
2023-04-10 18:37:30	Namarrgon	what does uname -r return now?
2023-04-10 18:37:40	Namarrgon	in the emergency shell
2023-04-10 18:38:01	kenwoodfox	One sec i gotta back out into it
2023-04-10 18:39:03	kenwoodfox	Still says 6.2.9
2023-04-10 18:39:05	kenwoodfox	Still says 6.2.8* sorry
2023-04-10 18:39:19	Namarrgon	then you're still booting the wrong kernel
2023-04-10 18:39:25	kenwoodfox	I noticed that the content of the /boot mountpoint had stuff in it, before mounting /boot
2023-04-10 18:39:26	Namarrgon	find out where your bootloader loads the kernel from
2023-04-10 18:39:33	kenwoodfox	is there a command for that/
2023-04-10 18:39:39	Namarrgon	no, you look at the configs
2023-04-10 18:39:40	kenwoodfox	grub should be loading it from efi in boot iirc
2023-04-10 18:39:42	kupi	I tried the REISUB stuff but nothing happens
2023-04-10 18:40:10	Namarrgon	REIUB is not allowed out of the box
2023-04-10 18:40:29	kenwoodfox	./boot should be empty, if my actual boot fs is not mounted right? Maybe its falling back to that
2023-04-10 18:40:42	kenwoodfox	mounting over a directory with stuff in it sounds like bad practice anyway
2023-04-10 18:40:52	Namarrgon	i don't know, either way is possible and it depends on how _you_ set it up
2023-04-10 18:41:22	Namarrgon	open the grub config and look which fs and path it loads the kernel from
2023-04-10 18:41:47	kupi	What can I do what works out of the box?
2023-04-10 18:42:01	Namarrgon	the S works ootb
2023-04-10 18:42:24	kenwoodfox	Namarrgon: grub looks like it boots from /boot/vmlinuz-linux witch makes sense, and gives args for my btrfs root and the UUID of the drive
2023-04-10 18:42:48	Namarrgon	if it does that then your kernel is not on the ESP
2023-04-10 18:43:03	Namarrgon	then you shouldn't have mounted anything to /boot when reinstalling the kernel
2023-04-10 18:43:16	kenwoodfox	Namarrgon: What do you mean?
2023-04-10 18:43:22	Namarrgon	you don't have a separate /boot fs
2023-04-10 18:43:29	kenwoodfox	I do have a seperate boot fs
2023-04-10 18:43:33	Namarrgon	no, you don't
2023-04-10 18:43:35	kenwoodfox	??
2023-04-10 18:43:58	kenwoodfox	That dosn't make any sense
2023-04-10 18:44:01	Namarrgon	/boot/vmlinuz-linux means that grub loads the kernel from the /boot directory on the /-fs
2023-04-10 18:44:10	kenwoodfox	Noo, i mount /boot 
2023-04-10 18:44:12	kenwoodfox	its a seperate fs
2023-04-10 18:44:17	kenwoodfox	i mount it at /boot
2023-04-10 18:44:25	Namarrgon	if you had a separte /boot-fs then the path would be "/vmlinuz-linux"
2023-04-10 18:44:32	Namarrgon	then don't mount it
2023-04-10 18:44:50	Namarrgon	boot the iso, don't mount anything to /boot and reinstall the kernel
2023-04-10 18:45:06	kenwoodfox	Alright one sec :c
2023-04-10 18:45:52	kenwoodfox	yeah i thought it  was confusing how i have stuff in my /boot partituion but stuff in /boot (the directory on my fs) has other stuff :c how did i get this so messy
2023-04-10 18:49:46	kenwoodfox	Hey that worked! Yay! but clearly ive got some mess going on.
2023-04-10 18:49:46	kenwoodfox	I always mounted my boot partition to /boot, since iirc, thats how grub gets on there. But clearly something is up
2023-04-10 18:49:58	kenwoodfox	the system was able to boot after i basically put the correct kernel on my main fs, 
2023-04-10 18:50:08	kenwoodfox	so is grub not actually booting from that boot partition? 
2023-04-10 18:50:17	Namarrgon	apparently not
2023-04-10 18:50:45	Namarrgon	if that is the ESP the grub itself is only installed on it
2023-04-10 18:50:54	kenwoodfox	Yeah :/
2023-04-10 18:51:07	kenwoodfox	I'll have to think about how i want to clean that up later perhaps
2023-04-10 18:51:31	Namarrgon	make sure fstab doesn't mount the ESP back to /boot 
2023-04-10 18:51:41	Namarrgon	and clean out the kernel from it
2023-04-10 18:51:53	kenwoodfox	I can do that, but then how will like, updating grub work?
2023-04-10 18:52:00	kenwoodfox	if i dont have that mounted?
2023-04-10 18:52:16	Namarrgon	grub is only updated when you update it
2023-04-10 18:52:39	Namarrgon	add an entry to fstab if you want, 'noauto' if you want
2023-04-10 18:52:44	Namarrgon	so you don't forget
2023-04-10 18:53:12	kenwoodfox	That dosn't seem like a very clean solution, thanks so much for the help i think i gotta do a little more research
2023-04-10 18:53:17	kenwoodfox	i thought it was pretty normal to have /boot mounted
2023-04-10 18:53:28	kenwoodfox	ooh wait
2023-04-10 18:53:32	kenwoodfox	no, dang i gotta read the docs closer
2023-04-10 18:53:33	Namarrgon	"normal"
2023-04-10 18:53:33	kupi	which do you recommend? systemd-oomd or earlyoom?
2023-04-10 18:53:49	kenwoodfox	i can just mount my boot fs, to like, /boot/efi
2023-04-10 18:54:03	kenwoodfox	so /boot/watever.img lives on my local fs
2023-04-10 18:54:07	kenwoodfox	and grub still works fine
2023-04-10 18:54:15	kenwoodfox	computers man,
2023-04-10 18:54:29	Namarrgon	it's not like grub stops working just because the ESP isn't mounted
2023-04-10 18:54:39	kenwoodfox	No but i like when it can be updated by pacman
2023-04-10 18:54:47	Namarrgon	pacman doesn't update grub
2023-04-10 18:55:15	kenwoodfox	the grub install script that just runs `update-grub`
2023-04-10 18:55:15	kenwoodfox	idk i guess you're right its a small thing, 
2023-04-10 18:55:30	Namarrgon	is this arch linux we're talking about?
2023-04-10 18:55:42	kenwoodfox	Yeah
2023-04-10 18:55:49	Namarrgon	there's no "update-grub" and there is nothing in the grub install script that would run it
2023-04-10 18:56:27	kenwoodfox	Im booted in and i have it installed rn?
2023-04-10 18:56:33	Namarrgon	install what?
2023-04-10 18:56:36	Namarrgon	*installed
2023-04-10 18:56:48	kenwoodfox	update-grub
2023-04-10 18:56:50	Namarrgon	that's a self-made problem then
2023-04-10 18:56:58	kenwoodfox	Sorry, its not important, the manual details a better way to arrange this, so everything works the way i expect
2023-04-10 18:57:06	kenwoodfox	and i dont have it setup that way,
2023-04-10 18:57:13	Namarrgon	uh huh
2023-04-10 18:57:37	kenwoodfox	Thanks for the help, ill rearrange the way my booting works. 
2023-04-10 19:02:51	Emiljano	hello
2023-04-10 19:05:02	gehidore	!give Emiljano welcome
2023-04-10 19:05:04	phrik	Emiljano: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2023-04-10 19:06:03	Emiljano	phrik: can't patch dwm
2023-04-10 19:06:03	phrik	Emiljano: No idea
2023-04-10 19:06:08	hedvika	do you need the fuck-up assesment form? You can find it here https://i.redd.it/aclopc97a83z.jpg
2023-04-10 19:07:00	gehidore	Emiljano what exactly are you doing and what's the verbatim error you get when you can't patch dwm
2023-04-10 19:08:08	trev	also, thanks for private messaging me "hi"
2023-04-10 19:08:25	Emiljano	trev: no problem
2023-04-10 19:08:41	trev	can't patch dwm -> use bspwm
2023-04-10 19:09:08	rabbitnightmare	are you aware that todays update breaks pacman
2023-04-10 19:09:09	Emiljano	i tried but can't start it up 
2023-04-10 19:09:16	rabbitnightmare	error: failed to synchronize all databases (no servers configured for repository)
2023-04-10 19:09:46	gehidore	!popcorn
2023-04-10 19:09:46	rabbitnightmare	I mean do you even test updates before pushing them out?
2023-04-10 19:09:47	phrik	http://i.imgur.com/4ii4K.gif
2023-04-10 19:10:32	gehidore	sounds like a local issue rabbitnightmare 
2023-04-10 19:10:49	rabbitnightmare	uhhuh, get ready for the horde of people facing issues
2023-04-10 19:10:58	⚡ 	gehidore puts on his seat belt
2023-04-10 19:11:00	hedvika	works for me
2023-04-10 19:11:08	gehidore	works fine here across 3 different machines
2023-04-10 19:11:26	qp	lol, seatbelt xD
2023-04-10 19:11:47	hedvika	you just mindlessly replaced the old mirrorlist with the old one and the new one has all servers commented out
2023-04-10 19:11:57	rabbitnightmare	anyway now that my install is hosed I am going to go reinstall once again
2023-04-10 19:12:08	hedvika	it isn't lol
2023-04-10 19:12:10	gehidore	rabbitnightmare that's your problem then, arch clearly isn't for you if your answer is to reinstall
2023-04-10 19:12:16	Betal	!reinstall
2023-04-10 19:12:16	phrik	a reinstall isn't a solution to your problem, period.
2023-04-10 19:12:17	hedvika	you just need to uncomment at least one url
2023-04-10 19:12:27	hedvika	in /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
2023-04-10 19:12:28	qp	why is everybody reinstalling today, is it an annual thing?
2023-04-10 19:12:29	gehidore	also if the latest pacman broke something then reinstalling would land you in the same boat
2023-04-10 19:12:30	Namarrgon	are you using one of the mirrorlist generators?
2023-04-10 19:12:48	gehidore	likely
2023-04-10 19:13:25	hedvika	why would someone even use a mirrorlist generator? you just uncomment the mirrors that are in the same country as you are, or is that rocket science for someone?
2023-04-10 19:13:27	rabbitnightmare	I didnt mindlessly do anything, it did it
2023-04-10 19:13:32	rabbitnightmare	when I pacman -Syu
2023-04-10 19:13:47	Namarrgon	it wouldn't overwrite your pacman.conf nor mirrorlist
2023-04-10 19:14:02	hedvika	my pacman said something along the lines of "mirrolist installed as mirrorlist.pacnew"
2023-04-10 19:14:24	hedvika	so in order to break pacman you had to copy the pacnew file to the one without an extension
2023-04-10 19:15:15	rabbitnightmare	again I didn't do anything of the sort
2023-04-10 19:15:19	rabbitnightmare	I wouldnt know how
2023-04-10 19:15:28	gehidore	hedvika the mirrorlist generators I believe test for connectivity and speed, being in the same country doesn't always assure you're getting the fastest mirror
2023-04-10 19:15:41	Namarrgon	rabbitnightmare: check your mirrorlist
2023-04-10 19:15:56	rabbitnightmare	ok watching a video on how to do this so I dont break anything
2023-04-10 19:16:35	gehidore	watching a video on how to do arch things is a good way to break things, they're rarely up to date, the wiki is where the gold lives
2023-04-10 19:16:38	Namarrgon	i expected you to be familiar with the mirrorlist, seeing how you managed to get through the arch install
2023-04-10 19:17:04	rabbitnightmare	I never delve deeper than I need to
2023-04-10 19:17:19	Namarrgon	yeah, that's the problem here
2023-04-10 19:17:24	rabbitnightmare	so until I face any issues, I dont try messing with things
2023-04-10 19:17:41	hedvika	you just edit a file with your favorite text editor
2023-04-10 19:17:51	hedvika	namely, /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
2023-04-10 19:17:55	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-04-10 19:18:02	rabbitnightmare	oh ok so I delete a hashtag
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2023-04-10 19:18:23	hedvika	just remove the comment before some URLs (preferably the ones that are in the category named after the country you're in rn)
2023-04-10 19:18:23	rabbitnightmare	mmkay that fixed it
2023-04-10 19:18:39	gehidore	what tool are you using to update?
2023-04-10 19:18:49	rabbitnightmare	I did worldwide and the second one in the United States area
2023-04-10 19:18:58	rabbitnightmare	sudo pacman -Syu in konsole
2023-04-10 19:19:31	◣	wallsY_ (~weechat@user/wallsY) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2023-04-10 19:19:35	Namarrgon	did you overwrite the mirrorlist with the pacnew?
2023-04-10 19:19:38	◣	bim9262 (~bim9262@user/bim9262) ha salido (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2023-04-10 19:19:57	gehidore	must have merged them all blindly ?
2023-04-10 19:19:58	rabbitnightmare	and how would you do that?
2023-04-10 19:20:18	Namarrgon	do you know what a pacnew is?
2023-04-10 19:20:27	rabbitnightmare	no
2023-04-10 19:20:31	rabbitnightmare	lol
2023-04-10 19:20:37	rabbitnightmare	but editing the mirrorlist fixed it
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2023-04-10 19:20:55	Namarrgon	!pacnews
2023-04-10 19:20:56	phrik	Namarrgon: No idea
2023-04-10 19:21:00	Namarrgon	!pacnew
2023-04-10 19:21:01	phrik	Take care of your .pacnew and .pacsave files! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Pacnew_and_Pacsave
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2023-04-10 19:21:18	rabbitnightmare	thanks Namarrgon
2023-04-10 19:21:24	rabbitnightmare	I will keep this in my radar
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2023-04-10 19:21:49	gehidore	thing is that file doesn't change unless you or whatever tools you use change it
2023-04-10 19:21:54	◣	venmx (~bertie@host31-53-197-212.range31-53.btcentralplus.com) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2023-04-10 19:22:14	rabbitnightmare	everytime I tried to use Discover for example, shit would break so I stopped using Discover
2023-04-10 19:22:15	gehidore	so for the mirror list to break you or your helper have done something
2023-04-10 19:22:31	rabbitnightmare	its easy as piss to type in terminal now
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2023-04-10 19:23:11	rabbitnightmare	I even had my nvidia drivers break the other day on my main rig and I fixed it
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2023-04-10 19:23:41	gehidore	but you didn't come in here screaming that people weren't verifying updates so there's points for you I guess on that
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2023-04-10 19:25:16	Namarrgon	someone owes the package maintainers an apology
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2023-04-10 19:25:16	rabbitnightmare	that one was on me for using a beta of nvk
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2023-04-10 19:26:52	rabbitnightmare	I even managed to get the battlefield engine to run
2023-04-10 19:27:04	rabbitnightmare	that was fun
2023-04-10 19:28:21	rabbitnightmare	https://www.phoronix.com/news/NVK-Running-Talos-13-FPS
2023-04-10 19:28:22	phrik	Title: Open-Source NVIDIA Vulkan Driver "NVK" Begins Running Game While Using GSP Firmware - Phoronix (at www.phoronix.com)
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2023-04-10 19:28:48	quitman	Is it possible to make yay look more like yaourt do? Or add more linebreaks from each result?  I find it hard to read the output of the list.
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2023-04-10 19:31:30	MrElendig	quitman: its free software so...
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2023-04-10 19:33:07	rabbitnightmare	silly question, why not just use yaourt instead?
2023-04-10 19:33:26	MrElendig	because its a broken steaming pile of shit that haven't been maintained in a decade
2023-04-10 19:33:35	rabbitnightmare	good enough reason
2023-04-10 19:33:36	rabbitnightmare	lol
2023-04-10 19:34:12	rabbitnightmare	I use pacman to maintain my system and flatpaks for everything else
2023-04-10 19:34:21	quitman	okay
2023-04-10 19:35:26	rabbitnightmare	idk it just seems like a healthy mindset to get into (IMHO) that if you want a program, just use flatpak and let the distro maintain itself, less stuff gets broken this way
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2023-04-10 19:36:41	rabbitnightmare	I used to use Wine and shit would break constantly, ever since switching to flatpak of steam and proton, when a Windows program misbehaves, its a simple affair to fix
2023-04-10 19:36:47	MrElendig	quality of flatpak packages varies a hell of a lot too
2023-04-10 19:37:14	rabbitnightmare	MrElendig nods* but at least they dont hose my install
2023-04-10 19:37:15	Maxattax	whats going to be the fastest way for me to count the lines in a 2 billion line file? `wc -l` is taking hours
2023-04-10 19:37:48	MrElendig	get a faster disk
2023-04-10 19:38:07	rabbitnightmare	grep -c
2023-04-10 19:38:12	Namarrgon	in a 2 billion lines file there are 2 billion lines
2023-04-10 19:38:30	Maxattax	need to verify it ain't 2 billion and 1 lol
2023-04-10 19:38:45	rabbitnightmare	{ cat file; echo ''; } | wc -l
2023-04-10 19:38:58	Namarrgon	wat
2023-04-10 19:39:01	MrElendig	beating the performance of wc is not that easy
2023-04-10 19:39:17	rabbitnightmare	awk 'END{print NR}' file
2023-04-10 19:39:22	MrElendig	it is possible but you won't be orders of magnitude faster
2023-04-10 19:39:23	rabbitnightmare	but this is signifigantly slower
2023-04-10 19:39:35	rabbitnightmare	awk is painfully slow
2023-04-10 19:39:35	Maxattax	okay actually what is this BS. I just ran it manually and it took 2.5 minutes, why is my docker container failing
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2023-04-10 19:40:18	rabbitnightmare	docker... yeesh
2023-04-10 19:40:46	rabbitnightmare	thats a question for #docker
2023-04-10 19:40:51	quitman	so, can i create a config file to change the output of the yay list? Could someone point me into any direction then.
2023-04-10 19:41:14	Namarrgon	quitman: no but the source code is freely available
2023-04-10 19:41:27	quitman	sure
2023-04-10 19:42:26	MrElendig	yay development is pretty much only bugfix too now, so it won't be too much maintenance to patch its output a bit
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2023-04-10 19:43:09	quitman	okay
2023-04-10 19:43:15	MrElendig	Maxattax: https://closedjdk.com/post/why-is-wc-so-slow/
2023-04-10 19:43:16	phrik	Title: Why Is Wc So Slow (at closedjdk.com)
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2023-04-10 19:44:07	Maxattax	it's because the python that is executing `wc -l` is failing on the timeout... I can't tell what the default is but I will have to change the source code
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2023-04-10 19:44:26	Maxattax	thanks fellas sorry for the random garbage question
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2023-04-10 20:02:46	ville	howdy. anyone else noticing sound problems after recent system update? think it's related to plugging/unplugging headphones. open applications seem to lose the audio device or something
2023-04-10 20:03:36	mefistofeles	ville: I haven't noticed something like that in particular
2023-04-10 20:03:42	mefistofeles	ville: are you using pipewire or pulse ?
2023-04-10 20:03:55	ville	pipewire
2023-04-10 20:04:36	mefistofeles	I'm using pulse, fwiw
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2023-04-10 20:08:58	ville	audio has been cursed on this laptop. so had to move away from pulse because that broke it every other week at the time
2023-04-10 20:10:16	mefistofeles	ville: what do you mean by broken?
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2023-04-10 20:11:24	ville	right now or back when i used pulse? right now sound stops playing. nothing comes out.
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2023-04-10 20:12:01	mefistofeles	ville: is it just that the output is not correctly selected? I get that from time to time
2023-04-10 20:12:11	mefistofeles	as in the mixer tries to use the HDMI instead of hte headphone output or similar
2023-04-10 20:12:25	mefistofeles	but it's just a matter of selecting the output, I wouldn't call that "broken" 
2023-04-10 20:12:38	espresso	ville: I see/have some recent issue with certain projects using pipewire in a particular way: https://github.com/mumble-voip/mumble/issues/6101  Otherwise, there are fixes for problematic models on the archwiki..
2023-04-10 20:12:46	another|	pacman -Q wireplumber
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2023-04-10 20:15:04	ville	mefistofeles: well it is broken if it works fine for while and then just cuts out. haven't narrowed it down to an action yet, but suspect pluggin/unplugging headphones
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2023-04-10 20:16:08	mefistofeles	ville: well, I'd try to reproduce it with that action and check if it just fails to recover/select the output
2023-04-10 20:16:15	mefistofeles	that's easy to work around and probably fix as well
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2023-04-10 20:19:40	ville	yeah it's plugging/unplugging
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2023-04-13 20:44:50	Julius_Longmind	Scimmia: ok, I fixed the apparmor issue on the dhcp server side, but the issue remained.
2023-04-13 20:45:47	Julius_Longmind	NetworkManager[410]: <info>  [1681411212.9061] dns-mgr: init: dns=default,systemd-resolved rc-manager=symlink
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2023-04-13 20:47:27	Julius_Longmind	I'm not sure what dns=default does exactly.
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2023-04-13 20:50:54	Julius_Longmind	Scimmia: The libvirt network default dhcp server seems to offer the dns server setting!?
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2023-04-13 20:52:16	Julius_Longmind	Scimmia: To be ensure I will also disable the default dhcp server for that libvirt network.
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2023-04-13 20:56:33	greyltc	should I expect `cat file.pkg.tar.zst | sudo pacman -U -` to work?
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2023-04-13 21:00:36	gromit	greyltc: what about sudo pacman -U file.pkg.tar.zst? 
2023-04-13 21:01:18	greyltc	gromit: what about `curl https://host/file.pkg.tar.zst | sudo pacman -U -`?
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2023-04-13 21:01:41	jkc	How about why?
2023-04-13 21:01:58	gromit	and no, i dont this it takes input from stdin
2023-04-13 21:02:00	gromit	> Either a URL or file path can be specified
2023-04-13 21:02:09	gromit	but maybe the URL think could replace your curl call
2023-04-13 21:02:15	Julius_Longmind	DeepDayze: That was it! Thanks @ll! Now my arch client gets the right dns server from the dhcp server.
2023-04-13 21:02:15	greyltc	oh can it take a url?
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2023-04-13 21:02:28	MrElendig	yes
2023-04-13 21:02:59	DeepDayze	Julius_Longmind: great to hear you got it working
2023-04-13 21:02:59	greyltc	niice
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2023-04-13 21:46:51	thrice	it is a little sad that the dev-ml is mostly a ghostown in the last couple of years
2023-04-13 21:47:16	qp	must be a reason for it
2023-04-13 21:49:59	lolok	im assuming theyre waiting for 6.3 release, but id really like an authoritative answer, even if its just a comment in the pkgbuild
2023-04-13 21:50:19	rcf	lolok: if it's an out-of-tree patch set, it's going to take a while to support the latest kernels. The news is that they support a new branch, not that they're still behind. 
2023-04-13 21:51:50	lolok	while thats fair, its not what ive experienced; ive seen linux-hardened ahead of the normal linux package in arch not that long ago
2023-04-13 21:52:22	Edu4rdSHL	The maintainer(s) got busy? There are several factors that can interfere :)
2023-04-13 21:52:54	NetSysFire	!outdated
2023-04-13 21:52:55	phrik	Outdated package? (1) Flag it as out of date and be patient. (2) If you can't wait, build it yourself. (3) If more than three weeks have passed and you want to help updating it, tell the maintainer if the new version works or not. Do not forget to be kind or your mail shall be cast into oblivion
2023-04-13 21:53:01	rcf	NetSysFire: it's not outdated 
2023-04-13 21:53:22	NetSysFire	still sort of applicable in this situation, partially at least
2023-04-13 21:53:23	lolok	yea it just chande from following stable to lts
2023-04-13 21:53:28	lolok	changed*
2023-04-13 21:53:33	rcf	But it hasn't 
2023-04-13 21:53:48	rcf	It's been tracking 6.1 
2023-04-13 21:54:12	lolok	i expected to see something it the bugs but nope
2023-04-13 21:54:19	lolok	about* it
2023-04-13 21:55:29	rcf	But yes the 'build it yourself' does apply here. Have you tried applying the patches to a 6.2 kernel? 
2023-04-13 21:57:22	lolok	no; im not really waiting for it either, i just noticed the change and didnt see any announcement or discussion about it anywhere so i was just wondering whats going on...
2023-04-13 21:59:33	lolok	i half expected someone to link a forum thread i missed
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2023-04-14 03:08:04	sarahzrf	hello
2023-04-14 03:08:25	sarahzrf	the last few times i've Syu'd (using pikaur, if it matters) i've had Xorg crash at some point during the upgrade
2023-04-14 03:09:09	sarahzrf	the pacman process has continued in the background seemingly without problem without being attached to a terminal and finished the upgrade so that's not a problem, but having X crash is pretty annoying
2023-04-14 03:09:18	sarahzrf	where should i look for the issue? xsession-errors?
2023-04-14 03:09:42	sarahzrf	i'm going to Syu soon, is there something i could do to track down the issue this time?
2023-04-14 03:10:35	Namarrgon	run pacman in tmux/screen, just in case
2023-04-14 03:16:20	sarahzrf	oh lol i was gonna do it in a vt, tmux makes more sense
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2023-04-14 03:52:02	Edu4rdSHL	It was probably the udevadm trigger thing that was reported
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2023-04-14 07:14:16	xezo360hye	neofetch
2023-04-14 07:14:26	xezo360hye	sorry wrong window
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2023-04-14 08:24:30	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-04-14 08:57:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2023-04-14 08:57:33	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1451 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1450 normals)
2023-04-14 08:51:35	jmariondev	i read pushrad's story
2023-04-14 08:52:29	llua	it made me laugh out loud
2023-04-14 08:57:32	⚡ 	topcat001 stares at the sweeping second hand on his mechanical watch...
2023-04-14 08:57:35	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-04-14 09:46:00	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2023-04-14 09:46:00	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1456 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1455 normals)
2023-04-14 09:16:07	luigibu	morning! has any of you worked with one of this tools? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Category:Network_monitoring
2023-04-14 09:16:08	phrik	Title: Category:Network monitoring - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-04-14 09:16:27	luigibu	need to monitor the network traffic.. searching for problems basically
2023-04-14 09:16:49	jelle	don't search for problems, you will find them
2023-04-14 09:17:24	luigibu	hahahaha, true that
2023-04-14 09:20:53	Ennea	this reminds me that docker automatically writes stuff into iptables. i believe when telling it to forward a container port to the host..? read about that one on HN a while ago
2023-04-14 09:20:58	Ennea	seems like a terrible default
2023-04-14 09:21:40	jelle	just use podman
2023-04-14 09:21:45	akik	Ennea: it's been like that since the beginning of docker
2023-04-14 09:21:55	akik	Ennea: it just goes over your established iptables setup
2023-04-14 09:23:06	Ennea	i'm aware it's been like that since the beginning. still a terrible default ;p
2023-04-14 09:23:27	Ennea	jelle, yea, i've been meaning to look into podman, but haven't had any use for containers yet
2023-04-14 09:23:29	akik	Ennea: there's one workable solution for it
2023-04-14 09:23:48	akik	https://unrouted.io/2017/08/15/docker-firewall/
2023-04-14 09:23:49	phrik	Title: Docker meet firewall - finally an answer · unrouted (at unrouted.io)
2023-04-14 09:42:19	Allie	yeah, if you're doing docker-format containers, podman (or straight systemd containers tbh) 
2023-04-14 09:46:02	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-04-14 10:22:59	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2023-04-14 10:22:59	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1454 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1453 normals)
2023-04-14 10:04:07	ekkie	Foxboron: oh shoot, didn't know that, thank you!
2023-04-14 10:18:25	ekkie	Oh, you can feed podman k8s deployments/pods via "podman kube play", so no need for *-compose. I just wonder if you can get that to work with traeifk or something similar...
2023-04-14 10:21:54	Gagis	damn. I need to learn k8s stuff some day.
2023-04-14 10:22:43	ekkie	k8s is usually very overkill for my use cases, but if podman can just take deployments and pods... Then that's just a better way of doing docker-compose for me
2023-04-14 10:23:01	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-04-14 11:02:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2023-04-14 10:44:22	Lord_of_Life	Did an encrypted root archinstall on a USB. No install errors, now getting a https://matrix-client.matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/DKsxWNqQGOnRpVhoPopzNqcI
2023-04-14 10:44:38	Lord_of_Life	Wondering what it means
2023-04-14 10:46:33	gromit	Lord_of_Life: is this an usb or vm? 
2023-04-14 10:46:57	Lord_of_Life	Physical USB
2023-04-14 10:49:18	arcturus	only one way to find out
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2023-04-14 11:49:44	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2023-04-14 12:22:38	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2023-04-14 12:06:43	pespin	Hi, since yesterday's update psi (jabber client) is not starting anymore, it fails with: "Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (5.15.8) with this library (5.15.9)"
2023-04-14 12:07:01	pespin	then it exits by asserting in "qt_assert(char const*, char const*, int) () at /usr/lib/libQt5Core.so.5"
2023-04-14 12:08:06	pespin	looks like some problem wth new Qt packages?
2023-04-14 12:08:48	gromit	pespin: did you do a full upgrade? (pacman -Syu) 
2023-04-14 12:09:02	pespin	gromit, yes, I just checked again
2023-04-14 12:09:08	pespin	and same problem
2023-04-14 12:10:05	gromit	pespin: hm, it starts for me .. 
2023-04-14 12:10:46	gromit	pespin: are you doing something specific to make it crash? 
2023-04-14 12:11:16	pespin	gromit, no, simply start it
2023-04-14 12:11:28	river	qt is broken tbh
2023-04-14 12:11:31	pespin	it's right when loading the app, even psi --help
2023-04-14 12:11:35	river	happendf to me with a different program
2023-04-14 12:11:54	pespin	river, "broken in general" or "broken today" ? :)
2023-04-14 12:12:38	gromit	pespin: whats your version of qt5-base? 
2023-04-14 12:12:56	river	today
2023-04-14 12:12:58	pespin	gromit, extra/qt5-base 5.15.9+kde+r151-1 (13.0 MiB 63.0 MiB) [qt qt5] (Installed)
2023-04-14 12:13:00	river	itll get fixed
2023-04-14 12:13:32	pespin	it's not specific to psi. FreeCAD version I had compiled myself is also failing with same error
2023-04-14 12:14:01	gromit	well the selfcompiled stuff maybe needs to be recompiled on library update
2023-04-14 12:14:13	pespin	yeah, but psi comes from the repo
2023-04-14 12:14:42	pespin	I see that pyside still seems to be containin 5.15.8, same for libshiboken
2023-04-14 12:17:07	gromit	pespin: now the question just is whats different on my system compared to yours
2023-04-14 12:18:01	pespin	gromit, do you have pyside2 installed?
2023-04-14 12:18:12	achilleas	Having a strange issue with alsa.  Whenever it tries to read the state of one of the cards it fails with "broken pipe".  This prevents `alsactl store` from running and my volumes reset every restart.  alsactl store -> "alsactl: get_control:255: Cannot read control '2,0,0,Loudness,0': Broken pipe";  alsamixer -c1 -> "cannot load mixer controls: Broken pipe"
2023-04-14 12:18:51	gromit	pespin: no, but I can check if that changes something
2023-04-14 12:18:59	pespin	gromit, vlc is also failing. All qt are failing probably
2023-04-14 12:19:47	gromit	pespin: hm that is weird, for me all of this works ... Are you using archlinux or a spin of archlinux? 
2023-04-14 12:20:12	pespin	gromit, archlinux
2023-04-14 12:20:14	achilleas	I'd be good with a workaround if anyone has any ideas (disabling the card, making alsa ignore it, ...)
2023-04-14 12:22:10	gromit	pespin: hm, are you sure that your mirrors are fully synced? Because I also use the testing repos but it doesnt seem like there is anything in testing rn that could affect this 
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2023-04-14 12:51:55	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1473 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1472 normals)
2023-04-14 12:40:18	arojas	pespin: because it's old unmaintained crap and nobody should be using it anymore
2023-04-14 12:41:05	pespin	arojas, what would you propose instead? simply have diffeerent specific themes fr qt and gtk?
2023-04-14 12:42:19	arojas	1) Use a theme that has both Qt and GTK versions 2) accept GTK and Qt apps looking different and live with it.
2023-04-14 12:43:27	Lord_of_Life	Reran archinstall, it's the same but here's more info https://matrix-client.matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/aOCdkecdfymggsNZDpDBCaqw
2023-04-14 12:44:33	arojas	good catch about the pyside2 version though, looks like upstream fucked up the release
2023-04-14 12:51:57	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-04-14 13:38:39	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2023-04-14 13:12:31	alad	the archinstall author isn't active here, so if you don't learn about your problem on discord or #archinstall, you definitely won't learn about it here
2023-04-14 13:15:44	Lord_of_Life	It's a linux build issue, whether I did it or a script did it
2023-04-14 13:23:03	alad	doesn't look like it, unless you can reproduce it with the wiki instructions
2023-04-14 13:31:09	Lord_of_Life	Seems like it was a extraneous line that mounted a partition twice in the bootloader entry
2023-04-14 13:31:22	Lord_of_Life	Makes sense with the mount error
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2023-04-14 14:22:21	luigibu	thanks.. will check
2023-04-14 14:36:04	plasma_converter	Hello
2023-04-14 14:36:36	plasma_converter	I'm using Arch Linux on a KDE environment with pipewire
2023-04-14 14:36:39	plasma_converter	Mic doesn't seem to work
2023-04-14 14:38:19	plasma_converter	It only records microphone noises
2023-04-14 14:38:23	plasma_converter	or microwave rather
2023-04-14 14:41:20	Namarrgon	change your user name
2023-04-14 14:46:44	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-04-14 15:03:26	uniqNuuid	grym: .conf? or something.conf
2023-04-14 15:03:50	uniqNuuid	give it a name 
2023-04-14 15:06:41	grym	uniqNuuid: hmm.  yeah maybe 
2023-04-14 15:06:52	grym	setting a bunch of ENVIRONMENT= in the unit also works, but is uglier
2023-04-14 15:08:22	grym	uniqNuuid: yeah that was it 
2023-04-14 15:08:31	grym	emacsclient, you fussy thing
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2023-04-14 15:45:08	Khorne	Does audacious expose MPRIS?
2023-04-14 15:45:32	luna--	Khorne: can do if you enable it as a plugin if i remember correctly
2023-04-14 15:49:15	Khorne	Ok, it needs to do that at the very least to work with playerctl
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2023-04-14 16:19:33	tpr	they have a forum: https://exiftool.org/forum/
2023-04-14 16:20:23	bjourne	i just updated firefox and now all animations are super-laggy. anyone knows what's up?
2023-04-14 16:24:12	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-04-14 16:43:57	jkc	throstur: That's not a bogon, that's carrier-grade NAT.
2023-04-14 16:45:16	throstur	thanks for the information
2023-04-14 16:45:47	jkc	100.64.0.0/10 is the CGNAT space. See RFC 6598.
2023-04-14 16:45:55	throstur	quick question -- wouldn't dnsmasq probably be a good idea as a stop-gap for when DNS is down? I would probably at least be able to fetch my emails if I assume correctly
2023-04-14 16:46:21	jkc	dnsmasq, unbound, etc.
2023-04-14 16:46:28	jkc	Assuming I understand the objective.
2023-04-14 16:49:26	MacGyver	throstur: "Any local cache" tends to be a reasonable idea, yes.
2023-04-14 16:49:48	MacGyver	throstur: Then again, "DNS is down" never actually happens.
2023-04-14 16:50:08	MacGyver	It's always "I screwed up my DNS settings".
2023-04-14 16:53:28	throstur	right, in my case I don't know why that is happening... DNS works before I activate vpn, vpn connects, dns is down sometimes (and sometimes it isn't)
2023-04-14 16:53:46	NetSysFire	how do you know its down?
2023-04-14 16:54:07	stefanc_diff	is there a pacman command to list/search all package groups ? 
2023-04-14 16:54:25	throstur	good question, it's not actually down really, I just can't find it -- nslookup times out, chromium says "couldn't find IP address for google.com" and so on
2023-04-14 16:55:08	NetSysFire	!give stefanc_diff aw pacman/rosetta
2023-04-14 16:55:09	phrik	stefanc_diff: Pacman/Rosetta - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Rosetta
2023-04-14 16:57:47	NetSysFire	throstur: when that happens, try dig google.com or whatever host you use
2023-04-14 16:57:49	stefanc_diff	NetSysFire: search for the search term "group(s)" in the pacman rosetta yields nothing
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2023-04-14 16:58:19	throstur	thanks, will do next time
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2023-04-14 18:06:45	jclsn	Just trying to install Arch on my tower
2023-04-14 18:07:12	jclsn	After the installation it is not booting. EFI partition is set too bootable and grub is installed. No idea
2023-04-14 18:08:37	MacGyver	Try installing grub to the EFI fallback location by using the --removable flag.
2023-04-14 18:08:47	jclsn	MacGyver: Tried that already
2023-04-14 18:14:20	astralc	do you get into grub at all? even when selecting in efi boot menu?
2023-04-14 18:14:36	astralc	(did the install created the entry?)
2023-04-14 18:15:09	jclsn	astralc: No, UEFI says not bootable partitions
2023-04-14 18:15:26	Tom^	"set to bootable" did you use mbr and flag the partition as bootable?
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2023-04-14 18:32:52	akik	Scimmia: take a look at this: https://paste.linux.chat/?34d0eb6f0370d453#EX6nsDLTJh6JSyFjr6EJJbXQ4h9GFTSHsJgqsvX4sn9D
2023-04-14 18:32:54	phrik	Title: Linux.Chat PrivateBin (at paste.linux.chat)
2023-04-14 18:33:03	akik	sgdisk sets that flag
2023-04-14 18:33:14	Scimmia	akik: and?
2023-04-14 18:33:28	akik	Scimmia: so it's probable it's used if sgdisk sets it
2023-04-14 18:33:34	Scimmia	it's not
2023-04-14 18:33:43	astralc	EFI partition is the only one that matter (unless you use systemd-boot and need XBOOTLDR)
2023-04-14 18:34:07	Scimmia	akik: remember, we're talking UEFI boot here, not BIOS
2023-04-14 18:34:34	Scimmia	your paste is for a BIOS system
2023-04-14 18:34:40	jclsn	astralc: Alright
2023-04-14 18:35:03	akik	Scimmia: that's all i've talked about
2023-04-14 18:35:24	akik	19:25 < akik> Scimmia: there's a command "parted -s /dev/sdX set 1 boot on" for efi esp 
2023-04-14 18:35:28	akik	19:29 < akik> Scimmia: i was talking about the gpt boot flag
2023-04-14 18:35:47	Scimmia	akik: then why did you jump into a conversation talking about something totally irrelevant?
2023-04-14 18:35:58	akik	Scimmia: i didn't
2023-04-14 18:36:18	Scimmia	akik: If you're talking about BIOS, you are
2023-04-14 18:36:28	akik	Scimmia: i just showed i wasn't
2023-04-14 18:36:35	akik	can't you read?
2023-04-14 18:36:56	Scimmia	akik: I can, I can read that your paste is clearly a BIOS system
2023-04-14 18:37:11	akik	Scimmia: so you can't read, it creates a gpt table
2023-04-14 18:37:22	Scimmia	which can be used on BIOS systems
2023-04-14 18:37:36	Scimmia	the grub bios boot partition, however is ONLY for BIOS
2023-04-14 18:37:55	astralc	akik: parted lie to you, it show "attributes" based on partition type
2023-04-14 18:38:17	astralc	the "flags"
2023-04-14 18:40:07	astralc	compare it to `gdisk -l <device>`
2023-04-14 18:47:54	jclsn	Worked
2023-04-14 18:48:03	jclsn	Had to use --removable again though
2023-04-14 18:48:18	jclsn	I also had to do that during my last install
2023-04-14 18:50:08	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-04-14 19:29:23	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2023-04-14 19:29:23	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1474 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1473 normals)
2023-04-14 19:12:23	jclsn	Oh so I have to use dhcpcd as client?
2023-04-14 19:13:25	MrElendig	just use networkd
2023-04-14 19:13:34	Scimmia	That, or dhclient, or network manager, or systemd-networkd....
2023-04-14 19:13:38	astralc	if you use networkd, or NetworkManager, no
2023-04-14 19:13:40	MrElendig	unless you use wifi, then use netowrkmanager
2023-04-14 19:14:01	Scimmia	Plenty of options 
2023-04-14 19:15:41	jclsn	It is a tower with ethernet. I will mostly use KDE anyway
2023-04-14 19:15:55	susi	does networkd offer anything similar functionality to NM's dispatcher.d/ scripts?
2023-04-14 19:16:09	jclsn	But I really should understand the differences between all of them
2023-04-14 19:28:25	ecraven	is there a way to pass data from initrd to the booted system? simple key-value data, like "environment=dev"
2023-04-14 19:28:56	akik	ecraven: don't know about that but you can add your own kernel parameters
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2023-04-14 20:14:07	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1473 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1472 normals)
2023-04-14 19:56:28	astralc	Named pipe?
2023-04-14 19:59:06	susi	yeah, true.. would want to know what are the actual differences between a file nad a named pipe residing in a tmpfs
2023-04-14 20:00:46	another|	I think writing to a named pipe is limited to buffer size?
2023-04-14 20:01:52	astralc	Do run one until it finished, or simultaneously?
2023-04-14 20:06:35	susi	two scripts update signal/rate (intermittent) and tx/rx bytes information (intervals), and reader reads this information from two different tmp files at specific intervals
2023-04-14 20:14:09	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-04-14 20:48:29	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1483 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1482 normals)
2023-04-14 20:31:01	thrice	blame kde for shipping so much krap
2023-04-14 20:31:30	astralc	No, it is Kool Kids Klub
2023-04-14 20:31:43	thrice	might want to rethink that name
2023-04-14 20:31:53	metroid[m]	start with plasma-desktop, add what you need
2023-04-14 20:32:18	astralc	I personally prefer the meta packages
2023-04-14 20:34:14	tatsumaru	hey guys, any clue where i can find 'libpcre' on arch?
2023-04-14 20:35:05	MrElendig	pacman -Ss pcre
2023-04-14 20:35:11	MrElendig	also sounds like a xyproblem
2023-04-14 20:35:17	thrice	cryptically called "pcre{2}"
2023-04-14 20:35:37	MrElendig	what are you trying to sudo make install?
2023-04-14 20:36:27	astralc	Sound like the problem of using guides for ubuntu
2023-04-14 20:38:18	tatsumaru	yeah I was installing a game that was missing this lib, solved it with a 'ln', thanks.
2023-04-14 20:38:37	MrElendig	symlinking is almost never the correct solution
2023-04-14 20:38:40	jclsn	well too late now
2023-04-14 20:38:51	jclsn	I will uninstall things I don't need 
2023-04-14 20:39:33	MrElendig	specially if it was missing because of a different .so version
2023-04-14 20:43:02	jclsn	Weren't there wildcards for pacman possible by using quotes somehow?
2023-04-14 20:43:22	MrElendig	pacman -Ss "*thing*"
2023-04-14 20:43:30	MrElendig	^ also works
2023-04-14 20:43:51	jclsn	and for removing?
2023-04-14 20:47:45	MrElendig	pacman -Rsu plasma-destkop or whatever
2023-04-14 20:48:31	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-04-14 20:48:33	◣	PeasfulTown (~Thunderbi@2607:fea8:2161:400::f1f0) ha salido (Quit: PeasfulTown)
2023-04-14 20:48:33	astralc	is the search glob or regex?
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2023-04-14 21:27:19	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1482 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1481 normals)
2023-04-14 21:04:55	MrElendig	what does debian call it supposedly?
2023-04-14 21:05:02	MrElendig	pretty sure debian doesn't rename the .so 
2023-04-14 21:05:14	tatsumaru	astralc: the game was looking for libpcre.so.3
2023-04-14 21:05:36	Edu4rdSHL	Looks like soemthing that would be shipped with the game
2023-04-14 21:05:40	Edu4rdSHL	something*
2023-04-14 21:06:35	MrElendig	/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcre.so libpcre3-dev
2023-04-14 21:06:36	susi	libpcre.so is a symlink to the actual .so version
2023-04-14 21:06:38	MrElendig	-- debian
2023-04-14 21:06:42	astralc	feel like pcre2 shenanigans
2023-04-14 21:06:48	thrice	debian patches it
2023-04-14 21:06:52	MrElendig	they just stuff it in a fun path
2023-04-14 21:07:59	susi	/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu is the future 
2023-04-14 21:09:43	thrice	https://i.imgur.com/zWByXtq.png
2023-04-14 21:10:16	susi	(or multiarch /lib, I mean)
2023-04-14 21:15:01	astralc	also: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=233255
2023-04-14 21:15:02	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] ag: error while loading shared libraries: libpcre.so.3 / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-04-14 21:17:09	peelz	iirc the .so renaming thing is due to libtool versioning
2023-04-14 21:27:21	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-04-14 21:46:52	crypt0fly	is there a way to automate generating multiple ssh keys across 3 hosts?
2023-04-14 21:49:04	MrElendig	ansible
2023-04-14 21:49:40	crypt0fly	is it worthwhile to set up ansible just for that?
2023-04-14 21:49:49	MrElendig	you could also generate them all centrally and copy them to the remote as needed
2023-04-14 21:49:59	crypt0fly	thats my current system 
2023-04-14 21:51:06	MrElendig	writing a custom script or writing an ansible playbook is similarish in how much work it is, but the later is a lot less error prone
2023-04-14 21:51:13	MrElendig	for the same amount of work
2023-04-14 21:51:20	crypt0fly	sure, makes sense
2023-04-14 21:52:48	MrElendig	there are some dedicated ssh key management tools too, but they don't bring that much over ansible unless you have some big org
2023-04-14 21:55:27	jclsn	So the only thing missing is sound
2023-04-14 21:55:33	jclsn	It is not working for some reason
2023-04-14 21:56:21	MrElendig	uname -r; pacman -Q linux
2023-04-14 21:57:51	astralc	pulseaudio or pipewire?
2023-04-14 22:00:12	jclsn	pulseuadio
2023-04-14 22:00:41	jclsn	MrElendig: 6.2.10-zen1-1-zen
2023-04-14 22:00:49	jclsn	Need the headers?
2023-04-14 22:00:52	MrElendig	pavucontrol and check profile, levels and device
2023-04-14 22:00:58	MrElendig	that is only half the output
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2023-04-14 22:28:29	jclsn	Ah well pipewire was installed as well
2023-04-14 22:28:33	jclsn	Guess they were conflicting
2023-04-14 22:28:55	jclsn	Couldn't install some pipewire packages, because of dependency hell, so I chose pipewire now
2023-04-14 22:31:44	thrice	you usually need pipewire-pulse
2023-04-14 22:31:53	thrice	esp if using plasma-pa
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2023-04-15 03:01:24	Hunker	Are parabola regarded as an suported archbased distro here? 
2023-04-15 03:01:38	Namarrgon	correct
2023-04-15 03:01:53	Namarrgon	ugh, no, parabola is unsupported
2023-04-15 03:03:51	Namarrgon	wait, it's jirido again. you should know the answer to that question...
2023-04-15 03:04:29	Hunker	well it's complicated 
2023-04-15 03:04:50	Namarrgon	no, it's simple. we don't support other distros.
2023-04-15 03:04:55	Namarrgon	we don't even support all arch installs, depending on how dumb, arrogant or ignorant the user is
2023-04-15 03:06:20	Hunker	I have lost my glasses and my brain is clogged and I run pure from a usb ant thinking of trying something new.. what would you recomend.. 
2023-04-15 03:06:40	Namarrgon	fedora
2023-04-15 03:06:54	Hunker	why are you mean?
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2023-04-15 03:26:39	ConSiGno	@peas over 120
2023-04-15 03:26:45	ConSiGno	20*
2023-04-15 03:27:02	ConSiGno	thrice: not "officially" but archlinux32 exists
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2023-04-15 04:13:26	pzerone	Hello, I've been using arch for some time now and my installation has accumulated a lot of users and groups from the programs I have installed once... Is there a safe way to remove these users and groups from my system?
2023-04-15 04:14:34	pushrad	i was in the middle of running pacman -Syu while my terminal crashed. it was in the middle of upgrading my kernel modules. now when i run pacman -Syu again, i get "there is nothing to do". am i fucked?
2023-04-15 04:15:44	Scimmia	pushrad: reinstall everything that was part of that transaction
2023-04-15 04:15:58	pushrad	Scimmia how do i get that list
2023-04-15 04:16:19	Scimmia	see the pacman log
2023-04-15 04:16:25	Scimmia	and hope it's all there
2023-04-15 04:22:53	bookworm	pzerone: considering that you are not anywhere near any perceived limit, just don't bother
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2023-04-15 04:55:22	ectospasm	Yeah, unless you know you have removed the package that added those users and groups, they're likely to reappear once those packages are upgraded.
2023-04-15 05:00:01	lolok	if there was some way to queue which users and groups were added by package, it would be pretty easy to script, but afaik theres no easy way, pacman doesnt track these things, thats a nice rfi tho
2023-04-15 05:01:58	lolok	i suppose generally the user or group typically shares [a substring of] name with the package but thats not reliable
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2023-04-15 05:56:39	CubeTheThird	I'm trying to run an app that is crashing because it fills up my /var partition. I am however unable to find where it's trying to write. Any suggestions on how I could identify this?
2023-04-15 05:57:37	mpan	CubeTheThird: lsof, /proc/$PID/map_files, strace.
2023-04-15 05:58:11	mpan	CubeTheThird: it may also be using a file that has no name entry in the file system, so you will not see it while exploring the names.
2023-04-15 05:58:45	CubeTheThird	alrighty. I mainly just want to see if I can do a bind mount to have it write elsewhere
2023-04-15 06:06:52	CubeTheThird	ya nothing seems to show up with lsof, at the very least
2023-04-15 06:09:17	lolok	ya know if your /var is full and youre running arch than im betting the real answer to your problem is gonna be to clean the pacman cache just sayin
2023-04-15 06:09:48	lolok	`du -ah /var | sort -h`
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2023-04-15 06:39:04	espresso	dcb: hello! I think this could be relevant? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg/Keyboard_configuration#Using_setxkbmap
2023-04-15 06:39:05	phrik	Title: Xorg/Keyboard configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-04-15 06:40:25	espresso	dcb: You may likely be following that already, but my X-fu is not the strongest..
2023-04-15 06:41:49	pzerone	\q
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2023-04-15 07:08:51	lolok	if you want to make dropins you can just source them from there
2023-04-15 07:09:40	espresso	dcb: it does seem there is no ~/xorg.conf.d or similar
2023-04-15 07:10:38	jmariondev	perhaps due to the assumption that X ran as root
2023-04-15 07:11:00	espresso	yes
2023-04-15 07:13:29	dcb	sourcing the 00-keyboard.conf file from `~/.xinit`?
2023-04-15 07:14:04	dcb	* I meant `~.xinitrc`
2023-04-15 07:14:21	rcf	You can't really do that 
2023-04-15 07:14:39	rcf	You'd want to run setxkbmap from xinitrc instead 
2023-04-15 07:16:03	dcb	I was trying to keep those lines out of .xinitrc because I tend to copy this file into other environments using git+stow but I'll keep it this way if that's preferable (I do tend to prefer things under $HOME)
2023-04-15 07:18:04	lolok	maybe kinda hacky but since its just a shell script you can probably use an 'if' statement to have it only run when the hostname matches the machine you expect
2023-04-15 07:19:58	lolok	or source another shell script [thats what i meant before] and just not include that on the other machines
2023-04-15 07:26:41	dcb	I'll keep those two calls to setxkbmap in a separated script (specific to this system) to be sourced from ~/.xinitrc then. Thanks espresso &lolok & rcf for the comments
2023-04-15 07:30:16	lolok	indeed it will be convenient to have a place to put things if you need to make any other tweaks to any specific machine in the future
2023-04-15 07:30:49	espresso	dcb: Quite welcome, and thanks too, I learned stuff :)
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2023-04-15 08:01:01	river	what command is good for getting the ip of a domain name?
2023-04-15 08:01:33	mpan	river: in what manner? From what your system (and likely most applications) see? Directly communicating with DNS servers? Something else?
2023-04-15 08:02:55	lolok	`getent ahosts example.com`
2023-04-15 08:03:11	lolok	getent provided by glibc so you have it already
2023-04-15 08:04:05	sheep	that will give you what glibc resolves, which should be what most applications get
2023-04-15 08:04:11	sheep	though some use different DNS resolvers
2023-04-15 08:04:32	sheep	if you want the raw DNS records, you'll need a tool like dig or drill
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2023-04-15 14:31:05	merethan	Hey all. What's a sensible Windows-equivalent for dd? Some guy I'm a few countries apart from asked for data recovery help and I need him to make a disk image.
2023-04-15 14:32:37	merethan	Linux boxes have dd and probably some GUI tools, Macs have the 'dd' functionality in their Disk Utility which comes with MacOS, Windows to my knowledge still needs us to download & install something to make an image of a disk.
2023-04-15 14:50:05	mkoskar	merethan: let them boot any linux distro pendrive and use dd or any tools from there
2023-04-15 14:50:27	merethan	All for imaging an SD card, bit much.
2023-04-15 14:52:00	mkoskar	you didn't say what exactly I assumed image windows actually, anyway there's also dd for windows http://www.chrysocome.net//dd have you tried google for at least 5 minutes?
2023-04-15 14:52:02	phrik	Title: chrysocome.net - dd for windows (at www.chrysocome.net)
2023-04-15 14:52:23	mkoskar	also ask in #windows nothing to do with archlinux
2023-04-15 14:55:38	merethan	I went with advising Clonezilla mkoskar.
2023-04-15 14:56:28	merethan	I was looking for the dd functionality in an accessible package, not an exact port.
2023-04-15 14:57:37	merethan	Not that Clonezilla is very accessible, but the alternatives for Windows that I could find are essentially all spyware or paid. Hence I hoped someone had better suggestions.
2023-04-15 14:59:51	phonemic	Trying to get sway working in virtualbox. Getting an error on launch. "libEGL warning: egl: failed to create dri2 session"
2023-04-15 15:00:03	phonemic	mesa is installed
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2023-04-15 19:18:59	Justice	btw is grub the only way to edit custom resolutions for gnome wayland ?
2023-04-15 19:19:44	Namarrgon	a specific bootloader has little to do with gnome or wayland, use whichever you like best
2023-04-15 19:20:04	Justice	yeah but only way is to edit a bootloader?
2023-04-15 19:20:11	Namarrgon	to do what?
2023-04-15 19:20:20	Justice	custom resolution
2023-04-15 19:20:31	Namarrgon	that has nothing to do with your bootloader
2023-04-15 19:20:46	Namarrgon	what are you trying to do? switch resolutions?
2023-04-15 19:20:49	another|	Wat?
2023-04-15 19:20:56	Justice	only resources i find is adding video= on the kernel line
2023-04-15 19:21:16	Namarrgon	you can switch resolutions in gnome's settings
2023-04-15 19:21:28	Justice	yeah but it does not list correctly my modes
2023-04-15 19:21:33	Namarrgon	yes, you can use video= but that is interpreted by the kernel. not the bootloader
2023-04-15 19:21:50	Namarrgon	that's a missing gnome feature then
2023-04-15 19:24:03	Justice	hm chatgpt tells me to use xrandr.....skynet were are you
2023-04-15 19:24:10	Namarrgon	...
2023-04-15 19:29:09	Justice	well jup only grup can help me, even chatgpt after few rounds tells me to run pacman -S weston XD
2023-04-15 19:29:18	Justice	grub*
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2023-04-15 19:55:23	luigibu	hi! i just installed ntopng, but is imposible to connect with default user and pass... any here has this app working? thanks
2023-04-15 20:02:06	Scimmia	I'd assume that would need root or specific capabilities
2023-04-15 20:07:54	Scimmia	luigibu: did you set a password?
2023-04-15 20:09:40	luigibu	no, dont know how
2023-04-15 20:09:58	luigibu	i just sow.. admin-admin is the default.. but dont really work
2023-04-15 20:09:59	Scimmia	did you read what pacman told you when you installed the package?
2023-04-15 20:10:18	Scimmia	https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/ntop.install?h=ntop
2023-04-15 20:10:19	phrik	Title: ntop.install - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-04-15 20:10:32	luigibu	i remember enableing redis and ntopng services.. did ai mis something?
2023-04-15 20:11:35	luigibu	but ntop.. is the same as ntopng?
2023-04-15 20:12:24	Scimmia	hmm, maybe not
2023-04-15 20:12:57	luigibu	i think.. ntopng is the lattest version.. 
2023-04-15 20:15:57	Scimmia	luigibu: have you seen https://www.ntop.org/guides/ntopng/faq.html#cannot-login-into-the-gui ?
2023-04-15 20:15:59	phrik	Title: FAQ — ntopng 5.7 documentation (at www.ntop.org)
2023-04-15 20:16:27	luigibu	yes.. i did those steps.. no luck
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2023-04-15 20:43:35	its_about_time	ola. I have a hibernate problem, but dont know where to start. Laptop, lvm on luks, suspend works fine, what doesnt work fine is hibernate - if there's nothing launched(like if i dont even startx) it hibernates and then resume. But if there was something launched the screen goes off, then turns on again, and freezes.
2023-04-15 20:44:21	its_about_time	it had been working fine for years before, i'm not really sure can it be - it could be powertop, but i dont remember what i turned off and on there
2023-04-15 20:45:17	its_about_time	i rarely hibernate so the problem could come into existence much earlier than I noticed
2023-04-15 20:46:51	lolok	have you been able to recover any logs? if youre hard resetting theyre probably gone, but if sysrq+reisub works they may be there and have valuable info
2023-04-15 20:51:14	its_about_time	lolok, please point me out where to look - i dont remember when was the last time i configured anything
2023-04-15 20:51:25	its_about_time	journalctl -b -1?
2023-04-15 20:53:51	lolok	i usually use the -r option instead, reading the full log backward, but that should work too
2023-04-15 20:54:16	its_about_time	i will try to hibernate now an be back in a sec with smth fresh
2023-04-15 20:54:28	lolok	gl/hf
2023-04-15 20:57:05	its_about_time	ok it decided to work now
2023-04-15 20:57:21	lolok	naturally
2023-04-15 20:58:03	its_about_time	ok it decided to work now, even with a couple of yt videos - i thought that it freezed because there was too much ram in use and it couldnt manage to write it at hdd
2023-04-15 21:00:47	lolok	ya know shits bad when the shit thats broken about something is then itself broken
2023-04-15 21:01:11	lolok	or is actually that good?
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2023-04-16 02:58:56	ParzivalSpace	Does anybody has a working obs install with amd gpu? I need to know how to correctly setup obs with amd amf encoder?
2023-04-16 02:58:56	ParzivalSpace	I know someone who needs help and I am more or less clueless.
2023-04-16 03:02:25	demonicmaniac1	what do you need amf for? unless you want av1 encode and stuff or using their xlinix fpgas. the radeons/vegas all work in obs via vaapi for h264/h264/vp9 encode
2023-04-16 03:02:37	demonicmaniac1	*h265
2023-04-16 03:03:10	ParzivalSpace	ah okay, so I should use va-api instead?
2023-04-16 03:03:35	demonicmaniac1	amf exposes more indepth settings and options if you need them but as a rule of thumb vaapi for intel/amd works just fine and good enough
2023-04-16 03:04:35	ParzivalSpace	is streaming in 1080 60fps possible?
2023-04-16 03:05:04	demonicmaniac1	yes
2023-04-16 03:05:41	demonicmaniac1	that's possible as far back as vce 1.0 back in 2012
2023-04-16 03:08:09	ParzivalSpace	the problem is, that as soon that there are many movements in the image it looks "blocky" on twitch
2023-04-16 03:08:50	ParzivalSpace	We just tried obs using obs-gstreamer and gstreamer-vaapi as documented in the arch wiki
2023-04-16 03:12:59	lolok	twitch has a 7500k bitrate limit, if you try sending more, youll get throttled and the stream will look like trash
2023-04-16 03:13:45	lolok	even 7500k is pretty low so it still looks like trash most of the time anyway tbh
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2023-04-16 03:30:42	demonicmaniac1	an alternative to cbr - constrant bitrate encoding - is QP or "quality preset" - instead of a bitrate you set a target visual quality the encoder tries to match from 1 best lossless to 35 utter pixelated mess
2023-04-16 03:32:34	lolok	twitch 'requires' cbr
2023-04-16 03:33:31	lolok	[according to their docs but not in my experience]
2023-04-16 03:34:12	demonicmaniac1	a custom ffmpeg command would be fairly complex though via obs - might as well not use obs at all then and just ffmpeg directly heh >.>
2023-04-16 03:34:24	lolok	still recommend cbr for live streaming tho
2023-04-16 03:34:49	demonicmaniac1	i dont know what custom parameters gstreamer vaapi accepts for the encoder sorry
2023-04-16 03:34:52	lolok	and honestly since obs broke my custom theme ive been using ffmped to stream directly to twitch
2023-04-16 03:35:13	demonicmaniac1	i used to use simplerecorder
2023-04-16 03:35:15	lolok	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Streaming_to_twitch.tv#FFmpeg
2023-04-16 03:35:16	phrik	Title: Streaming to twitch.tv - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-04-16 03:35:24	demonicmaniac1	with its opengl shim capture plugin
2023-04-16 03:41:16	tusko	If I'm using `systemd-nspawn` to boot a risc-v image in a container on a host that is x86, then can I still pacstrap the container from the host?
2023-04-16 03:41:39	ParzivalSpace	okay, he is now streaming in 720 60fps with the recommended settings from demonicmaniac1 and it looks okay. thanks for your help :) 
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2023-04-16 04:43:23	rcf	tusko: how would that even work 
2023-04-16 04:45:34	tusko	so, plot twist: it doesn't
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2023-04-16 06:02:49	another|	tusko: might work if yu give it the right config with mirrors
2023-04-16 06:04:05	tusko	slowly but surely its coming together. *it* sure seems to suggest that something is emulating a riscv core
2023-04-16 06:04:15	tusko	uname -m reports riscv, for example
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2023-04-16 06:22:05	Edu4rdSHL	And uname -r?
2023-04-16 06:22:26	tusko	you know, Arch btw
2023-04-16 06:22:30	Scimmia	tusko: so this isn't on Arch?
2023-04-16 06:22:53	tusko	I am trying to run archlinuxriscv in a VM
2023-04-16 06:23:00	Scimmia	on Manjaro
2023-04-16 06:23:06	tusko	well, not a proper VM'
2023-04-16 06:23:20	mefistofeles	!notarch
2023-04-16 06:23:20	phrik	https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2023-04-16 06:23:29	⚡ 	mefistofeles wanted to be the first one to do it
2023-04-16 06:24:01	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL is a professional notarch detector
2023-04-16 06:24:03	Scimmia	tusko: the riscv port isn't official, either
2023-04-16 06:24:12	Scimmia	so no Arch involved here
2023-04-16 06:24:13	Scimmia	!next
2023-04-16 06:24:14	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2023-04-16 06:25:42	Fijxu	what is exactly RISC-V? Just another arch with a set of instructions and free as freedom?
2023-04-16 06:25:46	Fijxu	and why the -V
2023-04-16 06:26:55	Edu4rdSHL	It's another architecture 
2023-04-16 06:27:38	tusko	I'm not sitting here telling you this is arch. Its just close to arch, and so I was hoping someone might know a things or two that they might suggest.
2023-04-16 06:27:50	Fijxu	And why it isn't widely adopted? I heard is better than x86-64 but i don't know C and ASM so idk to much about it
2023-04-16 06:27:54	tusko	But yes, ultimately I am working on riscv architecture
2023-04-16 06:28:23	Edu4rdSHL	tusko, https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2023-04-16 06:28:24	phrik	Title: Code of Conduct | Arch Linux Terms (at terms.archlinux.org)
2023-04-16 06:28:48	Scimmia	tusko: no, you're just hiding the fact that you're on a different distro because you know it's against the rules
2023-04-16 06:28:55	Edu4rdSHL	^
2023-04-16 06:29:18	tusko	nope
2023-04-16 06:29:55	Scimmia	[11:22:05 pm] <Edu4rdSHL> And uname -r?
2023-04-16 06:29:56	Scimmia	[11:22:26 pm] <tusko> you know, Arch btw
2023-04-16 06:30:01	Scimmia	right
2023-04-16 06:31:18	tusko	I'm not sure why you're on this tirade, but I do work on it from Arch. Though, I am not at this moment working on it from Arch.
2023-04-16 06:31:32	Edu4rdSHL	So, it isn't an Arch problem
2023-04-16 06:31:42	tusko	I literally never claimed it was.
2023-04-16 06:32:22	Scimmia	because asking in an Arch support channel isn't claiming it is?
2023-04-16 06:32:33	Edu4rdSHL	Ok, then why do you ask on a channel that's only for Arch
2023-04-16 06:33:15	Scimmia	And people wonder why so many Arch users dislike Manjaro users
2023-04-16 06:33:23	tusko	I just said that it is close to Arch and so being an arch user and already being here I thought I'd ask if anyone knew a thing or two about anything.
2023-04-16 06:33:43	tusko	Scimmia, I really don't wonder. You just seem like an unpleasant person.
2023-04-16 06:34:07	Scimmia	I'm unpleasant to people that lie to get what they want, yes
2023-04-16 06:34:30	tusko	You don't know that I'm lying. You're just very cocky and think that you're more clever than you are.
2023-04-16 06:34:47	Scimmia	You already admitted that you're lying
2023-04-16 06:34:57	tusko	If you assumed positive intent, then we could have a civil conversation without all the puffery and insults.
2023-04-16 06:35:09	Scimmia	you're here, in an Arch only channel, knowing that it's an Arch only channel, asking for support for another distro and hiding it
2023-04-16 06:35:19	tusko	No, I'm not.
2023-04-16 06:35:27	Scimmia	then what are you doing?
2023-04-16 06:35:41	another|	tusko: the rules are in the /topic 
2023-04-16 06:36:01	tusko	Frankly, at this point, its none of your business. You've only shown that you're intent on proving some point and scrutinizing anything I say unfairly to do so.
2023-04-16 06:36:03	Scimmia	they knew the rules or they wouldn't have deflected when asked for uname -r
2023-04-16 06:36:38	Scimmia	and there we go, caught in a lie, and trying to cry about it and blame others to deflect from the issue
2023-04-16 06:37:29	another|	tusko: Are you running this on an Arch system ?
2023-04-16 06:37:33	tusko	You're delusional, man. Get some help.
2023-04-16 06:37:49	tusko	another|, yes but I also run it on non-arch systems
2023-04-16 06:37:57	tusko	I don't run it on just one device
2023-04-16 06:38:35	Scimmia	the problem is that now nobody will believe that since you've already proved your willingness to lie
2023-04-16 06:38:52	Edu4rdSHL	tusko, then as the current problem is on Manjaro, ask to Manjaro for help
2023-04-16 06:38:59	tusko	another|, the entire purpose of this exercise is just learning and self-enrichment. 
2023-04-16 06:39:06	Edu4rdSHL	And then when you have a issue with your Arch system, feel free to ask here
2023-04-16 06:39:44	Edu4rdSHL	Because clearly the current problem is not an Arch problem, so there's nothing that belongs to this channel
2023-04-16 06:39:59	tusko	Edu4rdSHL: now I am
2023-04-16 06:40:05	tusko	do you see what I'm saying?
2023-04-16 06:40:38	Scimmia	yes, I hope everyone sees it
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2023-04-16 07:00:14	gehidore	such scroll back
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2023-04-16 07:31:36	sheep	I just explained why it works
2023-04-16 07:31:40	Disguised	:D
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2023-04-16 08:09:54	lolok	why not how; the BOM works kinda like how MIME in that it looks for some magic number at the start of a file to determine whats inside, its optional for utf8 and bash doesnt like it because bash works with ascii, which is technically a subset of utf8, but without BOM
2023-04-16 08:12:02	lolok	[actually i guess utf8 is more of a superset of ascii but you can read all about that from your favorite wiki or ai chat mate]
2023-04-16 08:20:42	dcb	kinda strange to have utf8 with BOM (at least I don't remember the last time I've seen them)
2023-04-16 08:23:45	rcf	dcb: it's a Microsoft idea, they wanted to avoid any complicated detection logic 
2023-04-16 08:24:14	lolok	if it exists its stripped from the output of whatever program is used to display it, so its not unsurprising youve never seen it, especially if you never looked at the raw bytes
2023-04-16 08:24:41	rcf	dcb: Before a fairly recent Windows 10 release, Windows software universally included a BOM to mark it as unicode rather than ASCII or Latin-1 
2023-04-16 08:25:41	rcf	Now the BOM is universally deprecated among all major vendors. 
2023-04-16 08:25:46	rcf	(for UTF-8, obviously) 
2023-04-16 08:31:35	Edu4rdSHL	In my +20 years I have never heard of BOM
2023-04-16 08:32:32	rcf	For UTF-16 it is absolutely required. 
2023-04-16 08:34:14	jmariondev	IIRC MS/Windows thought UTF-16 (w/ BOM) was the future and went all-in on it, but then UTF-8 ultimately ended up more popular?
2023-04-16 08:34:15	dcb	now that you've mentioned it, I think I've seen some issues when passing utf-<something> files between linux, mac, and windows machines a couple of years ago
2023-04-16 08:34:46	rcf	jmariondev: quite a bit of software went that route; it was originally UCS-2, and it was popular because it was thought that the whole of Unicode would top out at 2^16 codepoints. 
2023-04-16 08:35:01	rcf	Once that failed, UTF-16 was an attempt to salvage the software that people had invested in. 
2023-04-16 08:35:14	lolok	thats exactly how i learned of it, was admin of a clan quake server, other admins used different os to edit the configs...
2023-04-16 08:36:03	rcf	jmariondev: Java and Javascript are other casulaties of that thinkikng. 
2023-04-16 08:36:07	jmariondev	Ah I see, yeah working with C WinAPI was my first exposure to UTF-16, after having done UTF-8 in Linux for a while
2023-04-16 08:36:31	jmariondev	At least in those languages it's hidden as an implementation detail. It tripped me up in C
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2023-04-16 08:52:37	rcf	Tor is generally fine, but onion links themselves... no, I have learned very well not to trust them from strangers. 
2023-04-16 08:53:15	jmariondev	but i've used tor onions for ssh hosts without the need to port-forward or VPN. you can just publish the service and it's discoverable from anywhere- along with the privacy benefits tor comes with as a bonus
2023-04-16 08:55:24	jmariondev	(i'm not ignoring the awful stuff that's on tor, but that's also generally available on the internet too, the world can be a shitty place)
2023-04-16 08:56:02	jmariondev	(sorry for offtopic!)
2023-04-16 08:56:09	archwhore	I was on empire market yesterday 
2023-04-16 08:56:13	archwhore	lol
2023-04-16 09:04:30	archdemon	hmm
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2023-04-16 11:05:02	lord4163	Hardware video acceleration stopped working on Google Chrome 112 for me, upgraded from 110. Any new flags I need to put in my chrome-flags.conf?
2023-04-16 11:11:38	demize	NetSysFire: Finally able to actually take a look at things.  It's because Apple shut down the DarkSky API.  Do you have a preferred alternative you'd like me to switch to?
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2023-04-16 11:31:43	demize	Seems the OpenWeather API is very close as well, just some renamed parameters.  Do you know the quality of the weather data they have?
2023-04-16 11:32:38	demize	Hmm, seems that's run independently which is a plus..
2023-04-16 11:35:29	demize	Completely wrong for where I am.  :p
2023-04-16 11:35:39	demize	8 degrees off.
2023-04-16 11:37:12	demize	Ah, Pirate Weather just uses NOAA forecast models.  I'll go with OpenWeather then since they have actual weather station data.
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2023-04-16 12:18:45	NetSysFire	demize: no but i know that bitbot has some api that still works but i dunno which one that is
2023-04-16 12:18:49	NetSysFire	openweathermap? no idea
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2023-04-16 12:40:45	demize	!give NetSysFire weather Unterstinkenbrunn
2023-04-16 12:40:46	phrik	NetSysFire: Current weather for 2154 Unterstinkenbrunn, Austria :: Overcast Clouds :: Temperature 12 °C (Feels like 11 °C) :: Humidity 77% :: Dew point 8°C :: UV index 2.57 :: Pressure 1017 hPa :: Wind speed 1.76 m/s N (354°) :: Wind gusts 1.65 m/s :: Cloud cover 90% :: Visibility 10+ km
2023-04-16 12:41:49	bluetail	what
2023-04-16 12:41:56	bluetail	thats a weird cityname
2023-04-16 12:42:23	bluetail	if it were german it would roughly translate to "below smells well"
2023-04-16 12:42:27	Furai	!w maintainers
2023-04-16 12:42:29	phrik	Furai: No results found.
2023-04-16 12:42:31	bluetail	or / fountain
2023-04-16 12:43:36	zareem	Hi i have started to have a wierd DNS issue. when i connect my wireguard vpn i can see that my dns server is put in /etc/resolv.conf, if i check dig/nslookup for vcenter.adm.local it finds the correct ip adress but my browsers says DNS_PROBE_POSSIBLE, if i add the hostname and ip directly to /etc/hosts it works... Anyone that can point me in the
2023-04-16 12:43:36	zareem	right direction?
2023-04-16 12:43:46	demize	bluetail: It.. is German.
2023-04-16 12:44:32	demize	They may speak broken German but it's still German.  :p
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2023-04-16 13:03:27	gromit	lord4163: no for me it works but I was just curious :p
2023-04-16 13:08:11	lord4163	I have to fiddle around with those flags almost every time I upgrade.
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2023-04-16 13:39:32	bblinky	Ok, I ununstalled dhcpcd and deleted the config.d file.. It seems to be happy now
2023-04-16 13:44:48	lord4163	Awesome :)
2023-04-16 13:45:14	gromit	lord4163: thanks for letting me know ;) 
2023-04-16 13:45:25	lord4163	updated the wiki as well
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2023-04-16 15:22:22	linux_dream	hi people I'm extremely sorry I have the same problem as I had a few weeks ago, my system "rebooted" while I did pacman -Syu   (exited from my environment I think), as a result I think I have a corrupt linux thing and now I cannot boot into my system. I got help here and the fix was to boot from USB stick, to do some commands that I forgot
2023-04-16 15:22:22	linux_dream	(didn't take note as I thought I wouldn't face the same problem)
2023-04-16 15:24:28	linux_dream	afterwards I had to login into a tty (ctrl alt f5) to update my system. otherwise pacman -Syu would leave me with the same problem
2023-04-16 15:24:42	linux_dream	can anyone assist me? I wish to access to the logs of this channel...
2023-04-16 15:25:31	linux_dream	of March 6th
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2023-04-16 15:44:58	jelle	linux_dream: if you have one /boot and a / and a swap that sounds correct
2023-04-16 15:44:59	plasma	throstur: install the missing key using gpg, or maybe install the newest archlinux-keyring
2023-04-16 15:45:13	linux_dream	jelle I think tghat's what I have
2023-04-16 15:45:29	Scimmia	linux_dream: except mounting somthing to /boot doesn't make sense
2023-04-16 15:45:49	linux_dream	right, i dont remember mounting the nvmep2 one
2023-04-16 15:46:10	linux_dream	oh shit, it's the p1 i shjouldn't mount
2023-04-16 15:46:17	Scimmia	you mount your root somewhere, then mount the other filesystems where they need to be inside of that
2023-04-16 15:46:45	Scimmia	see fstab on the root partition if you're not sure what's where
2023-04-16 15:47:01	linux_dream	Scimmia so mount /dev/nvme0n1p2 /arch    and swapon /dev/nvme0n1p3 ?
2023-04-16 15:47:32	linux_dream	look at the images https://imgur.com/a/zQvqLvm
2023-04-16 15:47:33	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2023-04-16 15:47:59	linux_dream	my main ext4 partition is the one ending in p2
2023-04-16 15:49:11	linux_dream	ok I have mounted my p2 partition as /  and swapon the p3 one.  now how do I chroot correctly?
2023-04-16 15:49:23	jelle	you don't need to mess with swap
2023-04-16 15:49:28	jelle	linux_dream: use arch-chroot
2023-04-16 15:49:33	linux_dream	arch-chroot / mkinitcpio -p linux
2023-04-16 15:49:38	linux_dream	is it ok?
2023-04-16 15:50:08	jelle	did you really mount it under /
2023-04-16 15:50:12	linux_dream	yes
2023-04-16 15:50:26	linux_dream	i should have used /mnt/something ?
2023-04-16 15:51:18	linux_dream	I unmounted and remounted with /mnt
2023-04-16 15:51:52	linux_dream	arch-chroot /mnt mkinitcpio -linux returns "invalid option -- 'l'
2023-04-16 15:52:16	linux_dream	nevermind
2023-04-16 15:52:31	linux_dream	I get errors
2023-04-16 15:53:20	linux_dream	2 errors with /lib/modules....  ' is not a valid kernel module directory
2023-04-16 15:53:45	jelle	errors or warnings?
2023-04-16 15:53:49	linux_dream	errors
2023-04-16 15:54:18	jelle	what errors???
2023-04-16 15:54:48	linux_dream	let me take a pic
2023-04-16 15:55:39	linux_dream	jelle : https://imgur.com/a/ZrxwnEO
2023-04-16 15:55:40	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2023-04-16 15:56:09	jelle	linux_dream: you did not mount /boot?
2023-04-16 15:56:25	linux_dream	nope. i should have ??
2023-04-16 15:56:50	linux_dream	I was told:  "Scimmia 15:45:29
2023-04-16 15:56:50	linux_dream	linux_dream: except mounting somthing to /boot doesn't make sense"
2023-04-16 15:57:06	linux_dream	what am I supposed to do ?
2023-04-16 15:57:11	jelle	linux_dream: you need to mount /boot over /mnt/boot
2023-04-16 15:57:22	Scimmia	because I also said that all partitions need to be mounted inside of the root filesystem you mounted
2023-04-16 15:58:06	linux_dream	done
2023-04-16 15:58:18	linux_dream	I get a shittonf of errors with the chroot command now
2023-04-16 15:58:34	linux_dream	tons of modules not found errors
2023-04-16 15:59:06	linux_dream	I did mount /dev/nvme01p1 /mnt/boot   and then ran the arch-chroot command
2023-04-16 15:59:11	jelle	linux_dream: please reboot
2023-04-16 15:59:23	jelle	you never umounted /
2023-04-16 15:59:26	linux_dream	reboot with or without the usb ?
2023-04-16 15:59:29	linux_dream	I did unmoun
2023-04-16 15:59:30	linux_dream	t
2023-04-16 16:00:08	linux_dream	look at the screenshot
2023-04-16 16:00:21	linux_dream	I did unmount it, on my 2nd attempt
2023-04-16 16:00:39	linux_dream	lsblk shows the correct mounts.
2023-04-16 16:01:13	jelle	also linux 5.5.9
2023-04-16 16:01:18	linux_dream	I have a doubt about the arch-chroot command
2023-04-16 16:01:21	jelle	this is ancient
2023-04-16 16:01:27	linux_dream	I know the usb is from march 6th
2023-04-16 16:01:38	astralc	of which year?
2023-04-16 16:01:41	linux_dream	this year
2023-04-16 16:02:04	⚡ 	jelle kinda asks linux_dream to reboot and re-attempt :P
2023-04-16 16:02:11	linux_dream	I did arch-chroot /mnt mkinitcpio -p linux
2023-04-16 16:02:21	linux_dream	is it really /mnt  ?
2023-04-16 16:02:26	linux_dream	or /mnt/boot ?
2023-04-16 16:02:31	jelle	 /mnt ...
2023-04-16 16:02:39	linux_dream	ok then no idea why I get these errors
2023-04-16 16:02:53	linux_dream	but ok I reboot now.  do I reboot into the usb thing or my disk ?
2023-04-16 16:03:01	jelle	usb thing....
2023-04-16 16:03:03	linux_dream	ok
2023-04-16 16:04:21	linux_dream	done rebooting.  now I remount everything correctly?
2023-04-16 16:04:30	jelle	that would be helpful
2023-04-16 16:04:38	jelle	also just arch-chroot /mnt and then run mkinitcpio
2023-04-16 16:06:03	linux_dream	same errors
2023-04-16 16:06:11	linux_dream	tons of modules not found
2023-04-16 16:06:22	jelle	linux_dream: you rebooted during a pacman -Syu
2023-04-16 16:06:23	linux_dream	no modules were added to the image
2023-04-16 16:06:38	linux_dream	my system did this, yes.  I didn't do it manually
2023-04-16 16:06:42	jelle	so first run pacman -Qkk or better just re-install
2023-04-16 16:06:53	Scimmia	because they're gone. As I said before, reinstall all packages that were part of that transaction
2023-04-16 16:06:54	linux_dream	this thing "crashes" during a pacman -Syu unless I use a tty to update
2023-04-16 16:06:59	jelle	Scimmia++
2023-04-16 16:07:13	linux_dream	pacman -Qkk ?
2023-04-16 16:07:34	linux_dream	doing it
2023-04-16 16:08:12	linux_dream	I'll have to figure out why my system crashes during an update when using xfce rather than a tty
2023-04-16 16:09:29	linux_dream	ok , pacman -Qkk is finished.   now, what's the idea ?
2023-04-16 16:09:43	linux_dream	mkinitcpio -p linux i suppose ?
2023-04-16 16:09:57	linux_dream	damn.  same errors
2023-04-16 16:10:10	jelle	linux_dream: Scimmia already gave the answer to the problem
2023-04-16 16:10:14	astralc	what was the output of pacman -Qkk? missing files?
2023-04-16 16:10:41	linux_dream	astralc as far as I remember, nothing special except for some packages which seem to be backed up
2023-04-16 16:10:53	linux_dream	i can't see the output now, I have reran mkinicpio
2023-04-16 16:11:17	jelle	linux_dream: please, try to understand that that does nothing as your system is bricked
2023-04-16 16:11:20	linux_dream	Scimmia do you know the pacman command to reinstall the packages?
2023-04-16 16:11:21	jelle	you have half installed packages
2023-04-16 16:11:38	linux_dream	half installed packages?
2023-04-16 16:11:48	linux_dream	in my mind a few packages are corrupted, or 1
2023-04-16 16:12:06	linux_dream	I need to reinstall it, and it's related to boot, or something like that
2023-04-16 16:12:12	jelle	what is in your mind is not important :P
2023-04-16 16:12:30	linux_dream	ok I trust you, even though I don't realize that half my packages are broken
2023-04-16 16:12:44	linux_dream	anyways, what would be a command to reinstall these packages ?
2023-04-16 16:13:06	jelle	I believe the pacman wiki has a tip how to reinstall all packages
2023-04-16 16:13:06	linux_dream	on march 6th you gave me a pacman command, which I forgot, i didn't use those letters before
2023-04-16 16:13:11	linux_dream	ok
2023-04-16 16:14:14	linux_dream	would pacman -Qqn | pacman -S -    do it ?
2023-04-16 16:14:48	linux_dream	tried it
2023-04-16 16:14:53	linux_dream	around 20 errors
2023-04-16 16:15:05	astralc	like?
2023-04-16 16:15:17	linux_dream	like invalid url for server
2023-04-16 16:15:29	astralc	change pacman mirror
2023-04-16 16:15:36	jelle	astralc: no
2023-04-16 16:15:40	linux_dream	it's unable to retrieve xfce4-artwork packages
2023-04-16 16:15:40	jelle	no no nono
2023-04-16 16:15:47	jelle	astralc: this is probably an old install
2023-04-16 16:15:58	linux_dream	the usb is from march 6
2023-04-16 16:16:03	astralc	really old if it is with 5.5.9
2023-04-16 16:16:23	jelle	linux_dream: we don't care about your usb, you are chrooted into your install
2023-04-16 16:16:25	linux_dream	uname -a gives me 6.2.1
2023-04-16 16:16:34	jelle	try updating first
2023-04-16 16:16:34	linux_dream	my install is updated every day
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2023-04-16 16:35:51	linux_dream	that worked. thanks a million guys
2023-04-16 16:36:26	linux_dream	I'll try to remember
2023-04-16 16:37:50	mefistofeles	!next
2023-04-16 16:37:50	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2023-04-16 16:38:09	mefistofeles	linux_dream: try not to reboot in the middle of an Syu :P
2023-04-16 16:38:22	linux_dream	mefistofeles, I don't
2023-04-16 16:38:32	linux_dream	my system does, reproduceably
2023-04-16 16:38:45	mefistofeles	linux_dream: what? is your system conscious? 
2023-04-16 16:38:52	mefistofeles	or is it overheating and turning off?
2023-04-16 16:38:54	linux_dream	remember I had to update my system via a tty rather than a terminal in xfce, to complete the update, on march 6
2023-04-16 16:39:06	astralc	rebooting or just WM/DE crashing?
2023-04-16 16:39:21	linux_dream	I think it's just xfce crashing
2023-04-16 16:39:52	linux_dream	it's hard to say, i dont see my laptop screen at some times, i connected it to a shitty TV with hdmi, i dont see what happens during the boot for example
2023-04-16 16:40:14	linux_dream	i look at the TV and I only see things AFTER I logged in in xfce
2023-04-16 16:40:46	linux_dream	so yeah I type "enter" then my password  , when I think my laptop is already booted up to the xfce session manager
2023-04-16 16:41:24	linux_dream	what happened on march 6th and today is that during the pacman -Syu, my screen turned black, and my laptop was responsive, I could relogin into xfce
2023-04-16 16:41:43	linux_dream	today I reran pacman -Syu but there was no more packages to update.
2023-04-16 16:41:57	linux_dream	when I really rebooted, I realized I got screwed just like on march 6th
2023-04-16 16:42:10	linux_dream	can't enter xfce.  just a tty
2023-04-16 16:42:51	linux_dream	the question is why on Earth is my laptop having a hiccup during a pacman -Syu
2023-04-16 16:43:01	linux_dream	reproduceably so
2023-04-16 16:44:02	mefistofeles	linux_dream: that's indeed the question, what do the logs say?
2023-04-16 16:44:54	linux_dream	in journalctl mefistofeles ?
2023-04-16 16:45:06	mefistofeles	linux_dream: could be, also pacman logs
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2023-04-16 18:15:54	mohan43u	`ffmpeg -f pulse -i $(pactl get-default-source) test.mp3` If I execute this command, I get my mic input as well as playback, how to only get mic input?
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2023-04-16 18:46:21	ponies	where you are going wrong is using the .monitor device. did you try using device 47? 
2023-04-16 18:53:03	astralc	when you use pavucontorl, do you see the bar move for the input when you play something?
2023-04-16 18:54:20	mohan43u	ponies: I already tried with 47 (corresponding to `pactl get-default-source`), same issue
2023-04-16 18:54:31	ponies	no stop using get-default-source
2023-04-16 18:54:53	mohan43u	ponies: I tried with 47 too
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2023-04-16 20:28:30	lolok	amd or nvidia?
2023-04-16 20:39:40	Edu4rdSHL	enoq, no
2023-04-16 20:41:34	Edu4rdSHL	You need to explicity tell the system to use the GPU
2023-04-16 20:42:07	Edu4rdSHL	The system or steam or whatever, not a big deal anyways, it's just setting a environment variable in most cases
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2023-04-16 21:04:35	Scimmia	Except not here, you need to talk to the asahi people
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2023-04-16 21:26:03	Rug	I could use a little bit of help with the installation of 2023.04.01.  I'm getting an error when I run:  pacstrap -K /mnt base linux linux-firmware  It appears that the PGP keys are all failing as "is unknown trust"
2023-04-16 21:26:20	Edu4rdSHL	Rug, /topic
2023-04-16 21:26:40	Edu4rdSHL	Aaah, -K
2023-04-16 21:26:59	Edu4rdSHL	Can you share the full log?
2023-04-16 21:28:11	Rug	one sec.
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2023-04-16 22:08:17	ℹ 	gerhard7_ es conocido ahora como gerhard7
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2023-04-16 22:39:59	Edu4rdSHL	Why it doesn't work? Can you post the log?
2023-04-16 22:41:13	Ingar	!paste
2023-04-16 22:41:13	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-04-16 22:42:01	Ingar	https://paste.rs/eP9
2023-04-16 22:42:40	Edu4rdSHL	How long has been that system without updates? :p
2023-04-16 22:42:48	Ingar	not very long
2023-04-16 22:43:24	Ingar	it runs a kernel from march 22
2023-04-16 22:43:44	Edu4rdSHL	What you can do is: `rm /var/cache/pacman/pkg/archlinux-keyring* && pacman -Sw archlinux-keyring && pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/archlinux-keyring-20230320-1-any.pkg.tar.zst`
2023-04-16 22:43:46	Ingar	can I just reinitialize the lot
2023-04-16 22:43:55	Edu4rdSHL	And then pacman -Syu
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2023-04-16 23:01:52	Ingar	Edu4rdSHL: I removed /etc/pacman.d/gnupg/  and created a new keyring
2023-04-16 23:02:20	Ingar	awfully weird
2023-04-16 23:05:34	Ingar	Edu4rdSHL: I've ran into the "you need to update archlinux-keyring first!" update issue many times before, so I had already explored that avenue ;)
2023-04-16 23:06:32	tusko	pacman-key --init
2023-04-16 23:07:32	Ingar	tusko: even that didn't work until I removed the gpg dir
2023-04-16 23:07:42	Edu4rdSHL	Ingar, it's working now?
2023-04-16 23:07:55	Ingar	Edu4rdSHL: like a charm, run a full update in the meanwhile
2023-04-16 23:08:04	Ingar	*ran
2023-04-16 23:10:53	Edu4rdSHL	Ingar, when everything is so fucked up, like your case, there's always the posibility of adding a `SigLevel = Never` to the core repo (where archlinux-keyring is), and then install the package, it will never fails but it's a "security risk" to use that option and leave it there, so I don't recommend it 
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2023-04-17 00:58:05	_DOOM_	I am having a problem installing arch linux. I am getting archlinux-keyring error with unknown trusts.
2023-04-17 00:59:02	_DOOM_	This is the error: https://pastebin.com/BvsLrNds
2023-04-17 00:59:03	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/H82A.txt
2023-04-17 00:59:04	phrik	Title: error: intel-ucode: signature from "Christian Hesse <eworm@archlinux.org>" is un - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-04-17 01:00:44	Scimmia	_DOOM_: just the 1?
2023-04-17 01:00:52	_DOOM_	No
2023-04-17 01:00:55	_DOOM_	But I fixed it
2023-04-17 01:01:13	_DOOM_	I think pacstrap messed up keyring stuff cause pacman-key --init / --populate fixed it.
2023-04-17 01:01:15	Scimmia	ok, then that happens when you run pacstrap before the keyring is set up
2023-04-17 01:02:38	_DOOM_	Schimmia: I think this is what happened I exited pacstrap as it was setting up keyring on accident and this cause the keyring to break after install.
2023-04-17 01:02:57	_DOOM_	Thank you.
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2023-04-17 02:59:46	domino14	i feel like i have to restart my computer all the time. I thought linux was about never restarting
2023-04-17 03:00:26	domino14	meaning, i keep it up to date and am always installing updates. Then when I try to do something, it just doesn't work. For example, stream with OBS. Or start a wireguard session. It's always like some update borked it. Restarting always fixes it.
2023-04-17 03:00:52	archdemon	i mean you dont have to if you dont want to and it is a rolling release distro so
2023-04-17 03:01:14	domino14	well i don't want stuff to just break unless i restart. why would this be a good experience?
2023-04-17 03:01:20	domino14	or at least it should somehow tell me
2023-04-17 03:01:48	archdemon	you ever check the website because it usually tells you if an update breaks something
2023-04-17 03:02:00	MacGyver	domino14: Whenever you upgrade the kernel, you need to restart. In most other cases, you don't.
2023-04-17 03:02:17	archdemon	and what he said
2023-04-17 03:02:19	domino14	gotcha. i'll see what it's doing next time
2023-04-17 03:02:27	MacGyver	domino14: Symptoms you are describing are consistent with not having restarted after upgrading the kernel, because both OBS and wireguard tend to need kernel modules.
2023-04-17 03:02:36	MacGyver	domino14: If in doubt,
2023-04-17 03:02:41	MacGyver	!give domino14 kernelcheck
2023-04-17 03:02:42	phrik	domino14: compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2023-04-17 03:02:53	ponies	there is some stuff in the wiki about hot reloading the kernel 
2023-04-17 03:02:54	Scimmia	whoever told you that linux was about never restarting lied
2023-04-17 03:03:10	domino14	lolz
2023-04-17 03:03:15	MacGyver	And that, yeah.
2023-04-17 03:03:23	archdemon	lying bastards
2023-04-17 03:03:27	ponies	but like, i would just restart :) 
2023-04-17 03:03:35	MacGyver	!qsay 44534
2023-04-17 03:03:36	phrik	MacGyver: <BrainDamage> repeat after me, uptime is not a measurement of my dick's lenght but the time i went without security updates
2023-04-17 03:03:50	domino14	i don't mind restarting _that_ badly, it's just you know, i gotta reopen all my windows and stuff
2023-04-17 03:03:58	archdemon	\poor guy
2023-04-17 03:04:06	⚡ 	ponies i love BIG FAT uptimes 
2023-04-17 03:04:09	MacGyver	domino14: That's what motivated me to automate that process for my desktop.
2023-04-17 03:04:22	Scimmia	but if it is about kernel modules, just load the ones you need at boot and it becomes a non-issue
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2023-04-17 03:39:08	domino14	i am using yay to manage some of my AUR dependencies. I only have like 9 or 10 
2023-04-17 03:39:22	domino14	i always run pacman -Syu to update my system before running yay
2023-04-17 03:39:47	jmariondev	yay also invokes -Syu
2023-04-17 03:39:48	domino14	but yay still seems like it always takes a long time and compiles a gazillion things. what's it doing? i don't remember the original installs taking this long
2023-04-17 03:39:59	domino14	right, i just like keeping those separate ..
2023-04-17 03:41:13	blackpill0w	yay calls pacman no?
2023-04-17 03:41:46	lf94	Im having some network issues on my old netbook with arch. For some reason it can't resolve anything?
2023-04-17 03:41:56	lf94	(It's via Ethernet)
2023-04-17 03:42:33	blackpill0w	what's the content of /etc/resolv.conf
2023-04-17 03:42:46	blackpill0w	try putting `nameserver 8.8.8.8` in it and see if it works
2023-04-17 03:44:55	ponies	!give lf94 resolv.conf
2023-04-17 03:44:56	phrik	lf94: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
2023-04-17 03:45:00	ponies	!give lf94 aw resolv.conf
2023-04-17 03:45:01	phrik	lf94: Resolv.conf - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Resolv.conf
2023-04-17 03:45:14	lf94	blackpill0w: it says dont edit that
2023-04-17 03:45:28	lf94	is this common though?
2023-04-17 03:45:40	lf94	that the ethernet live env. cant resolve?
2023-04-17 03:45:42	ponies	no lf94 you CAN edit resolv.conf depending upon your configuration 
2023-04-17 03:45:52	lf94	it's a live env. from the usb 
2023-04-17 03:46:02	lf94	it's using systemd-resolvd 
2023-04-17 03:46:27	ponies	lf94: 100% you have a misconfigured dns which doesnt propagate to the entire system
2023-04-17 03:47:03	ponies	if you are using systemd-resolvd you DELETE the file FILE /etc/resolv.conf and replace it with a symlink 
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2023-04-17 04:05:20	ectospasm	lf94:  is your Ethernet interface getting its setup from DHCP?  Or are you configuring it manually?
2023-04-17 04:05:20	lf94	this makes no sense - so nslookup confirms its using 8.8.8.8
2023-04-17 04:05:25	lf94	dhcp
2023-04-17 04:05:31	lf94	I can actually ping 8.8.8.8
2023-04-17 04:05:34	lf94	just fine
2023-04-17 04:05:43	NetSysFire	but?
2023-04-17 04:05:55	lf94	But nslookup times out!
2023-04-17 04:06:17	rcf	Does drill work?
2023-04-17 04:06:22	lf94	"communications error to 8.8.8.8#53: timed out"
2023-04-17 04:06:26	ectospasm	Or dig 
2023-04-17 04:06:32	lf94	ill give them a shot
2023-04-17 04:06:47	lf94	same thing with dig
2023-04-17 04:06:55	lf94	exact same error actually (interesting)
2023-04-17 04:07:05	phonemic	i used the archinstall script with grub on EFI. I needing to update grub but am not understanding the wiki. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Installation
2023-04-17 04:07:06	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-04-17 04:07:15	NetSysFire	lf94: try dig archlinux.org @1.1.1.1 to see if its just 8.8.8.8
2023-04-17 04:07:18	lf94	I guess this is some low level error being presented across these devices
2023-04-17 04:07:29	lf94	devices -> programs
2023-04-17 04:07:36	lf94	drill fails also
2023-04-17 04:07:38	lf94	ok
2023-04-17 04:07:42	phonemic	the file appears at /boot/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI
2023-04-17 04:07:47	NetSysFire	or its your network and your router does something weird
2023-04-17 04:08:01	lf94	1.1.1.1 erroring also
2023-04-17 04:08:03	ectospasm	If you're getting your your network info via DHCP, usually your router should be your local DNS server 
2023-04-17 04:08:04	NetSysFire	because the very next thing i'd have suggested is dig archlinux.org @_gateway
2023-04-17 04:08:05	lf94	timed out
2023-04-17 04:08:27	NetSysFire	_gateway usually resolves to your gateway, its a magic host, but if it doesnt you need to specify the ip manually
2023-04-17 04:08:29	lf94	How come I can resolve just fine from this computer, on the same network?
2023-04-17 04:08:48	ponies	phonemic: archinstall script is not the recommended way of installation, just so you know. can you paste whatever command you are typing? 
2023-04-17 04:08:54	NetSysFire	lf94: because of some router settings regarding filtering and/or parental controls?
2023-04-17 04:09:00	ectospasm	Probably because they're querying your router 
2023-04-17 04:09:16	lf94	NetSysFire: how can I ping outside still though?
2023-04-17 04:09:21	NetSysFire	dns != icmp
2023-04-17 04:09:28	NetSysFire	and good point we dont know what other devices use as dns servers
2023-04-17 04:09:36	ectospasm	Pinging an IP address doesn't use DNS 
2023-04-17 04:09:42	lf94	ill try http
2023-04-17 04:09:49	rcf	lf94: your router is blocking DNS specifically 
2023-04-17 04:10:08	rcf	Which is terrible, buy another one 
2023-04-17 04:10:08	phonemic	ponies: grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=esp --bootloader-id=GRUB
2023-04-17 04:10:29	ectospasm	I'd replace 8.8.8.8 with the local IP address for your router 
2023-04-17 04:10:33	lf94	I think you're onto something with the router and this device's relationship
2023-04-17 04:10:48	lf94	cant seem to curl google (got the ip from this computer)
2023-04-17 04:10:53	phonemic	ponies: what should esp be in this example? file right now is at  /boot/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI
2023-04-17 04:11:10	rcf	lf94: reset the router
2023-04-17 04:11:28	NetSysFire	no dont
2023-04-17 04:11:33	NetSysFire	check if you configure it instead
2023-04-17 04:11:37	ponies	uhuh, but you have to change you 'esp' to a your esp directory. its going to be /boot in your case, but make sure you mounted the EFI partition before entering arch-chroot
2023-04-17 04:12:12	lf94	rcf: I did yesterday - how come my 11 other devices have no problems
2023-04-17 04:12:28	lf94	going to login to the router to see if it's maybe blocking something
2023-04-17 04:12:36	NetSysFire	because they might be querying your router for dns
2023-04-17 04:12:44	ectospasm	They could be using different DHCP request options 
2023-04-17 04:12:53	lf94	NetSysFire: I cant HTTP out either from the netbook
2023-04-17 04:12:59	NetSysFire	check your routes
2023-04-17 04:13:54	phonemic	ponies: I am logged into the machine right now
2023-04-17 04:14:03	⚡ 	lf94 checking
2023-04-17 04:14:27	phonemic	ponies: what does esp stand for?
2023-04-17 04:14:31	ponies	do you think we should put a message in archwiki archinstall page, that says 'not the recommended way of installtion, please follow the GUIDE" ?? 
2023-04-17 04:14:36	rcf	Routes are probably fine if ping works. There could be some weird misconfiguration…. But I’m 90% sure this is just a transient router issue; I’ve had several do this sort of thing over the years 
2023-04-17 04:14:41	ectospasm	I'm not so sure it's a routing problem, since pinging Google DNS works 
2023-04-17 04:14:49	ponies	EFI system partition phonemic 
2023-04-17 04:15:05	NetSysFire	good point
2023-04-17 04:15:16	NetSysFire	i think rcf meant rebooting instead of resetting
2023-04-17 04:15:28	NetSysFire	that might help and is easy to do
2023-04-17 04:16:13	rcf	Which is the same as resetting on all the ones I’ve owned. 
2023-04-17 04:16:52	NetSysFire	resetting usually means a factory reset
2023-04-17 04:17:12	NetSysFire	and if your router does that on power loss then you must have had very cursed routers
2023-04-17 04:17:26	rcf	Lies; the labeled reset button specifically just reboots.
2023-04-17 04:17:44	⚡ 	NetSysFire shakes rcf
2023-04-17 04:18:02	mpan	rcf: press any button!
2023-04-17 04:18:13	NetSysFire	where is the any key?
2023-04-17 04:18:20	NetSysFire	it says to press the any key, i dont have an any key
2023-04-17 04:18:23	ponies	think ill have a tab
2023-04-17 04:18:33	⚡ 	NetSysFire emits a \t at ponies
2023-04-17 04:18:42	mpan	NetSysFire: it’s the unlabelled button, you need to press for 5s, located on the side of your laptop. ;)
2023-04-17 04:18:53	ponies	tha>   nks NetSysFire 
2023-04-17 04:19:13	ponies	15 seconds
2023-04-17 04:19:21	NetSysFire	mpan: i dont have any buttons on my sides, only weird holes
2023-04-17 04:19:30	ponies	put thing in small hole 
2023-04-17 04:19:42	NetSysFire	i think i got an electric shock
2023-04-17 04:20:25	rcf	lf94: but yes there’s probably no consistent reason for this happening other than a transient router bug; in my case it was often a case of incomplete iptables updates when it became unhappy every few months. 
2023-04-17 04:20:48	NetSysFire	obviously joking around but i managed to fry my motherboard once. i dont know what it was but i got randomly shocked 3 years ago and it caused some parts of my keyboard to stop working. got a mobo replacement and everythings fine til today
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2023-04-17 04:38:23	rcf	Repeated shocks certainly can. 
2023-04-17 04:40:14	NetSysFire	its hard to tell re the sensation. its over 3 years ago now but i remember it being a bit more than a regular esd and i say that while i get frequently shocked by my wool blanket
2023-04-17 04:40:16	lf94	Im running out of ideas
2023-04-17 04:40:25	lf94	I went through everything in the router
2023-04-17 04:40:36	pulec	if I setup apache with some SSL certs, how to verify they are fine? using curl? like: curl --cacert /path/to/chain.pem -v https://localhost   
2023-04-17 04:41:42	rcf	lf94: even rebooting it?
2023-04-17 04:41:46	lf94	rcf yeah
2023-04-17 04:41:52	lf94	rcf I cant even curl the router itself
2023-04-17 04:41:56	lf94	(which has a web ui)
2023-04-17 04:42:03	lf94	from the netbook
2023-04-17 04:42:22	NetSysFire	pulec: do you just need to verify that they are valid? theres pretty nifty tools such as openssl s_client (pretty minimal) or https://testssl.sh
2023-04-17 04:42:28	phrik	Title: /bin/bash based SSL/TLS tester: testssl.sh (at testssl.sh)
2023-04-17 04:42:51	pulec	NetSysFire: yes just valid, oh s_client
2023-04-17 04:42:58	lf94	I can ping other devices on my network too
2023-04-17 04:43:00	NetSysFire	s_client will likely work
2023-04-17 04:44:16	pulec	I am testing this in thing without internet access, but I could just copy paste testssl.sh script, oh ye
2023-04-17 04:44:28	NetSysFire	openssl s_client might do the job
2023-04-17 04:44:41	pulec	thanks
2023-04-17 04:49:10	rcf	lf94: I mean it could actually be arch; does it work properly with another OS?
2023-04-17 04:49:48	lf94	could it have to do with the fact this has wifi and ethernet
2023-04-17 04:50:00	lf94	ip addr shows that only the eth is up though and wifi is down
2023-04-17 04:52:41	rcf	The Wi-Fi won’t have any impact if you don’t configure it.
2023-04-17 04:52:51	lf94	right, I didnt think so
2023-04-17 04:52:56	lf94	Im just mentioning anything at this point
2023-04-17 04:57:20	lf94	maybe i should just give up on this netbook
2023-04-17 04:57:48	lf94	or know what, ill try with my other laptop, this usb live env. watch it just be a bad build
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2023-04-17 05:11:21	CodeSpelunker	I recently updated my fontconfig, but then emoji weirdly stopped showing in gnome-terminal
2023-04-17 05:11:21	lf94	rcf: it's the device.
2023-04-17 05:11:21	lf94	my laptop in the usb live env works ;_;
2023-04-17 05:11:21	lf94	that's really damn weird
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2023-04-17 05:27:47	gry	define 'not working well'
2023-04-17 05:27:51	jmariondev	you can ping anything, but only ping?
2023-04-17 05:28:02	ponies	gry: no dont ask him please
2023-04-17 05:28:12	Murray7501	I still use windows 10 on my laptop...
2023-04-17 05:28:40	ax562	lol
2023-04-17 05:29:29	⚡ 	pulec sneaks into Murray7501's room with flashstick with archiso and does wipefs on the windows drive
2023-04-17 05:29:32	pulec	fixed
2023-04-17 05:29:40	Murray7501	pulec: :D
2023-04-17 05:30:16	pulec	any reason why stay on windows? battery optimization, drivers?
2023-04-17 05:31:04	Murray7501	I dont know, its a thinkpad x1 carbon.. it came with windows 10 and I'm lazy :)
2023-04-17 05:31:30	gry	thinkpads are notoriously linux friendly
2023-04-17 05:31:47	gry	plus if it's windows first, linux second, then it's a working booter
2023-04-17 05:33:36	jmariondev	my work laptop was briefly an x1 carbon but i sent it back because the screen size+res needed fractional scaling to be reasonable and support was poor at that time
2023-04-17 05:33:46	jmariondev	waylandgang
2023-04-17 05:34:13	jmariondev	ultimately talked my way into getting a framework instead 🎉
2023-04-17 05:36:47	lf94	gry: jmariondev: the netbook can ping devices, even far off remote servers, but cant do anything else
2023-04-17 05:36:59	lf94	curl doesnt work, dns doesnt work, etc
2023-04-17 05:37:06	lf94	(used curl with ip directly)
2023-04-17 05:37:43	gry	have you figured out why curl doesn't work
2023-04-17 05:40:45	jmariondev	are the packets being filtered by a firewall? nft list ruleset or iptables -vnL
2023-04-17 05:41:17	jmariondev	because you said the live env works? if so it's something about your install and its configuration
2023-04-17 05:43:37	Murray7501	lf94: dig @8.8.8.8 google.com ?
2023-04-17 05:44:52	lf94	Murray7501: fails
2023-04-17 05:45:12	Murray7501	lf94: strange... so it can ping 8.8.8.8 fine ?
2023-04-17 05:45:15	lf94	yep
2023-04-17 05:45:27	jmariondev	fails with what error? timeout?
2023-04-17 05:45:30	lf94	yep
2023-04-17 05:45:43	lf94	jmariondev: it's not anything to do with the install. im testing right from booting
2023-04-17 05:45:45	jmariondev	do you have wireshark or some packet sniffer installed?
2023-04-17 05:45:56	jmariondev	you're testing from the live env?
2023-04-17 05:45:58	lf94	yes
2023-04-17 05:46:10	jmariondev	i see. so then you won't have any kind of sniffer
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2023-04-17 05:46:44	Murray7501	jmariondev: is netcat available ?
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2023-04-17 05:59:06	lf94	uh
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2023-04-17 05:59:06	lf94	yes
2023-04-17 05:59:06	lf94	ive also live booted from another laptop, to test the build
2023-04-17 05:59:06	lf94	the other laptop works no problem
2023-04-17 05:59:06	lf94	on my same network
2023-04-17 05:59:06	Murray7501	lf94: ifconfig ? any errors ?
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2023-04-17 06:31:29	tiziodcaio	Hi
2023-04-17 06:31:57	mpan	tiziodcaio: good morning! How could we help you? :)
2023-04-17 06:32:31	tiziodcaio	No luckily I've not have any problems
2023-04-17 06:32:50	mpan	Please make some. #archlinux is hungry! ;)
2023-04-17 06:44:28	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-04-17 09:28:56	lenny0991	I reinstall now all the packages on the machine also - takes some time
2023-04-17 09:30:27	lenny0991	because on install it told me that -> libnice.so and libpipewire.so is cut at the end -> I guess this was due to running out of disk space
2023-04-17 09:31:57	Gnana	lenny0991: system update it too
2023-04-17 09:32:21	lenny0991	yes :)
2023-04-17 09:46:29	MrElendig	reinstall all the packages you were upgrading/installing when running out of space
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2023-04-17 11:31:37	lenny0991	Yess! Now all reinstalled - the core does not dump anymore on boot and also the Bluetooth does not give me errors about the firmware! :D
2023-04-17 11:31:47	lenny0991	@Gnana Thanks a lot!
2023-04-17 11:32:32	lenny0991	Now fir the first time I think I could connect to my bluetooth box from this laptop  - I thought the bluetooth chip was just broken und unusable before^^
2023-04-17 11:33:56	Starvirus	hi, i got a new arch installation last night and got the issue now that docker network seems not to be working, container interfaces are not added to the docker0 bridge and therefore the docker0 interface has a down state - someone has an idea?
2023-04-17 11:36:28	gromit	Starvirus: are you using systemd-networkd? 
2023-04-17 11:37:20	Starvirus	yeah
2023-04-17 11:37:46	gromit	Starvirus: did you check if you are hitting this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Docker#docker0_Bridge_gets_no_IP_/_no_internet_access_in_containers_when_using_systemd-networkd
2023-04-17 11:37:47	phrik	Title: Docker - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-04-17 12:48:15	Starvirus	yeah did both and also a full reboot still showing configuring for the docker0 interface
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2023-04-17 13:54:01	pash_xx	hi all - is this the right place to ask for help with my arch installation? I think it's arch-zen and the problem is to do with grub and microcode not being loaded and I guess my grub configuration in general looks super weird
2023-04-17 13:54:29	pash_xx	sorry - not the actual installation. This is an arch box that has been running for a couple of years successfully. It just broke recently
2023-04-17 14:00:03	spine-o-saurus	anyone able to get alsa loopback to record audio?
2023-04-17 14:00:49	ponies	pash_xx: probably reinstall grub. If you have the microcode installed, grub should create entries in the config for you
2023-04-17 14:01:01	pash_xx	@ponies
2023-04-17 14:01:04	pash_xx	oops
2023-04-17 14:01:34	pash_xx	ponies that was gonna be my last resort. But looking at my current grub installation I can't even see a /boot/loader directory so I'm super confused where grub is even configured
2023-04-17 14:02:05	pash_xx	I think all I need to do is add an initrd="intel-ucode.img" or whatever exactly the syntax is
2023-04-17 14:02:09	ponies	check the wiki, its may just be the mkconfig command i'm too lazy to check. it IS documented though. If that doesn't help, post what you are seeing
2023-04-17 14:02:12	pash_xx	but I can't find the linux.cfg
2023-04-17 14:02:40	pash_xx	I'm just anxious about reinstalling since my current setup doesnt seem to match any of the documentation
2023-04-17 14:03:14	akik	pash_xx: grub doesn't use linux.cfg, but grub.cfg
2023-04-17 14:03:27	pash_xx	oh sorry yeah
2023-04-17 14:03:34	pash_xx	I can't find the /boot/grub2 directory or anything
2023-04-17 14:03:53	akik	pash_xx: maybe it's a separated partition that's not mounted?
2023-04-17 14:04:03	ponies	there is no grub2 
2023-04-17 14:04:03	ponies	grub2 == grub
2023-04-17 14:04:19	pash_xx	in /boot it's just a bunch of .img files and the vmlinuz-linux and vmlinuzlinux-zen files
2023-04-17 14:04:35	pash_xx	I don't have any directory in /boot/ that contains any config
2023-04-17 14:04:37	ponies	can you even pacman -Syu? are you horribly out of date?
2023-04-17 14:04:45	pash_xx	no I update regularly
2023-04-17 14:04:48	pash_xx	I'll do it again now to be sure
2023-04-17 14:13:24	pash_xx	  ok
2023-04-17 14:13:38	pash_xx	upgraded and still no directories in /boot
2023-04-17 14:13:45	ponies	reinstall grub 
2023-04-17 14:13:51	pash_xx	it's an efi boot partition if that makes any difference
2023-04-17 14:13:52	ponies	unless.. actuallly
2023-04-17 14:13:55	pash_xx	ooh
2023-04-17 14:13:57	pash_xx	ok
2023-04-17 14:13:57	ponies	you didnt mount the efi partition
2023-04-17 14:14:02	pash_xx	no it's mounted
2023-04-17 14:14:06	pash_xx	it's in my fstab
2023-04-17 14:14:23	akik	pash_xx: efi esp should contain EFI
2023-04-17 14:14:28	ponies	and mount | grep boot returns?
2023-04-17 14:15:04	pash_xx	uh... mount | grep boot returns nothing
2023-04-17 14:15:17	ponies	its not mounted :( 
2023-04-17 14:15:21	pash_xx	akik you mean an EFI directory? I've seen esp referenced but I'm not sure what it is
2023-04-17 14:15:34	akik	pash_xx: yes a directory named EFI
2023-04-17 14:15:36	pash_xx	ponies oh ffs lol
2023-04-17 14:15:45	pash_xx	ok now I've got an EFI directory
2023-04-17 14:16:05	pash_xx	I thought fstab would tell the OS to mount those drives at boot?
2023-04-17 14:16:10	ponies	yeah your fstab entry is phony 
2023-04-17 14:16:42	ponies	make sure its mounted. read the wiki ++ 
2023-04-17 14:17:21	pash_xx	shall I look for the fstab wiki page?
2023-04-17 14:17:33	ponies	!give pash_xx aw install guide
2023-04-17 14:17:34	phrik	pash_xx: Install guide - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_guide
2023-04-17 14:18:17	pash_xx	first off, thanks. I've finally gotten past that microcode error on boot I was having
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2023-04-17 16:05:47	ThePendulum	'lo, pacman keeps trying to reinstall discord 0.0.25-1 but according to archlinux.org 0.0.26-1 is available. I updated the databases, cleared the cache, anything else I can do?
2023-04-17 16:06:49	MrElendig	!mirrorstatus
2023-04-17 16:06:50	phrik	Check the status of the mirrors here: https://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/status/
2023-04-17 16:06:56	MrElendig	!mirrorlist
2023-04-17 16:06:57	phrik	Mirrorlist generator: http://www.archlinux.org/mirrorlist/
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2023-04-17 16:28:21	astralc	ponies: from the man page, rankmirrors doesn't check sync delay
2023-04-17 16:29:18	Scimmia	exactly
2023-04-17 16:32:29	ponies	astralc: really? i cant see that
2023-04-17 16:33:12	ponies	i suppose reflector has a configurable systemd timer which is better 
2023-04-17 16:34:22	astralc	"rank pacman mirrors by their connection and opening speed", doesn't mention mirror delay. also doesn't use mirror status page, only the mirror list
2023-04-17 16:34:47	astralc	as opposed to reflector
2023-04-17 16:36:29	ponies	oh as in syncing delay? 
2023-04-17 16:36:37	ponies	oic i think i understand now 
2023-04-17 16:50:16	phonemic	I have a long delay from KDE on both poweroff and reboot. 60 seconds or more. What is the best way to figure out why this is happening? 
2023-04-17 16:51:42	ponies	phonemic: sudo journalctl -b -1 --no-pager
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2023-04-17 17:11:54	solsTiCe	hi. I am trying to sort process in htop by  percent_cpu, but this does nothing??
2023-04-17 17:12:35	ponies	capital P does that 
2023-04-17 17:12:36	solsTiCe	ok. it's because I used the tree view
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2023-04-17 17:55:22	CarloWood	Did anyone succeed to install microsoft "Edge" on Arch? It is needed to use the new Bing A.I.  They made it available for linux as .deb and as .rpm
2023-04-17 17:55:57	jelle	the flatpak works fine for me
2023-04-17 17:55:58	Scimmia	it's in the AUR, isn't it?
2023-04-17 17:56:43	CarloWood	Oh right, it already is
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2023-04-17 18:21:10	DeepDayze	oopsie not fedora chat )
2023-04-17 18:21:12	DeepDayze	:)
2023-04-17 18:23:38	cedb	has anyone had some luck with the latest any/open connect nonsense?
2023-04-17 18:24:21	cedb	technically my company supports us accessing the vpn through linux clients  but since an update an annoying hostscan denies
2023-04-17 18:24:30	cedb	it works for a colleague on centos 8 which is hmmm
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2023-04-17 18:53:44	NetSysFire	HOWEVER ymmv. it depends on basically everything
2023-04-17 18:53:55	lucenera	Understood.
2023-04-17 18:54:00	NetSysFire	threat model, firmware, hardware
2023-04-17 18:54:38	NetSysFire	in my case i just did it because i like pain. on my laptop it works flawlessly though
2023-04-17 18:54:47	lucenera	Scimmia That's the one thing that has been keeping me away from Arch for a while. But I don't feel I can live without it.
2023-04-17 18:55:06	NetSysFire	s/Arch/linux/, its the same for basically any distro
2023-04-17 18:55:07	lucenera	Without Arch I mean.
2023-04-17 18:55:19	Scimmia	lucenera: is someone modifying the bootloader a big concern for you?
2023-04-17 18:55:33	NetSysFire	iirc ubuntu did some signed grub which is also possible on here with some tweaks?
2023-04-17 18:55:47	lucenera	I don't think so.
2023-04-17 18:56:03	Scimmia	that's all secureboot protects against
2023-04-17 18:57:00	lucenera	Secure Boot is supposed to prevent unsigned code from booting, if I'm not mistaken. That should disregard the bootloader or it could also be the bootloader itself.
2023-04-17 18:57:20	susi	NetSysFire: (still reading the threads) me having iGPU on this laptop; is it likely this signed-option-rom scenario may harm me if I fail to take measures?
2023-04-17 18:57:31	lucenera	Now I bought a refurbished ThinkPad and I am running Ubuntu and there is GRUB signed there.
2023-04-17 18:57:55	NetSysFire	susi: i have an igpu on this laptop, too and these tend to just work, in my case the issue is booting without one
2023-04-17 18:58:06	NetSysFire	in my desktop with a ryzen without an APU
2023-04-17 18:58:31	NetSysFire	that one also has the crappy motherboard firmware which caused the brick since it refused to even POST
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2023-04-17 19:15:47	lucenera	I see, even from the name I can guess.
2023-04-17 19:16:50	Metroid	soundbarcontrol
2023-04-17 19:17:14	lucenera	securebootcontrol
2023-04-17 19:17:16	grawity	still a better name than 'ukify'
2023-04-17 19:17:32	NetSysFire	lol
2023-04-17 19:17:44	lucenera	Does anyone successfully use secureboot here?
2023-04-17 19:17:45	Edu4rdSHL	The u in ukify is for ugly for sure
2023-04-17 19:17:52	NetSysFire	me
2023-04-17 19:17:53	Edu4rdSHL	!give lucenera anyone
2023-04-17 19:17:54	phrik	lucenera: Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2023-04-17 19:19:37	lucenera	Can I write to you in dm?
2023-04-17 19:19:42	lucenera	NetSysFire
2023-04-17 19:19:47	NetSysFire	no
2023-04-17 19:19:55	NetSysFire	i already told you what i know here
2023-04-17 19:20:35	susi	hmm, phoronix reports systemd 253 to be released with ukify tool, but at least I don't have it under /usr/lib/systemd?
2023-04-17 19:20:47	lucenera	Okay, thank you anyway.
2023-04-17 19:20:54	grawity	it's a separate package because of python
2023-04-17 19:20:56	grawity	?pkgfile ukify
2023-04-17 19:20:58	@EMIYA	grawity: core/systemd-ukify 253.3-3 (/usr/lib/systemd/ukify)
2023-04-17 19:21:10	grawity	better than an optdep, I suppose
2023-04-17 19:27:29	Edu4rdSHL	Yes, also that's something that the bast majory will not use, imo
2023-04-17 19:28:02	lucenera	Thanks for the suggestion sbctl seems to be for me.
2023-04-17 19:28:05	grawity	mkinitcpio's kernel image support does not use it anyway (all done in bash as usualol)
2023-04-17 19:29:25	docdrow	cedb: vpnc 0.5.3.r526.r213-1 working here to a Cisco 5525-X cluster running FTD code, and it calls openconnect. I'm using this in a container because I refuse to let them push policy to my bare metal ;-)
2023-04-17 19:32:19	astralc	lot of arch tool are just bash necromancy
2023-04-17 19:32:30	Edu4rdSHL	bash is nice
2023-04-17 19:32:57	grawity	bash is portable... to all systems which already have a python port anyway
2023-04-17 19:33:08	NetSysFire	rate my beautiful bash code: action="${1##*|}"; echo -en "${action/${1%%|*}/\\e[1;4;31m${1%%|*}\\e[0m}"
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2023-04-17 20:02:31	gehidore	NetSysFire well done
2023-04-17 20:02:39	⚡ 	NetSysFire bows
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2023-04-17 20:40:25	◣	Megver84 (~Thunderbi@146.83.128.192) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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2023-04-17 21:04:44	jkc	What the fuck am I reading?
2023-04-17 21:05:48	Edu4rdSHL	hentai
2023-04-17 21:09:24	topcat001	I resisted the temptation to go fishing for shells and standardised on bash instead.
2023-04-17 21:12:19	susi	I went for zsh, and never looked back
2023-04-17 21:12:44	susi	I'm no shell guru or scriptin pro, but still I constantly see the betterness of this shell over bash
2023-04-17 21:14:24	NetSysFire	i use bash for all my scripts and on all servers in prod but zsh on my own personal non-server devices
2023-04-17 21:14:37	Edu4rdSHL	I have always, and probably will always use bash, unless it gets unmaintained or whatever
2023-04-17 21:14:56	dTal	what about when GPT replaces scripting
2023-04-17 21:14:59	Edu4rdSHL	I personally hate these "auto suggestions" things lol
2023-04-17 21:19:15	aregistereduser	any news on ruby package status? looks like even the 3.0 version was built last year on an older toolchain and 3.2 (with the rust-based JIT) is quite mature at this point
2023-04-17 21:19:44	jelle	python is first!
2023-04-17 21:20:13	aregistereduser	meaning?
2023-04-17 21:21:31	jelle	aregistereduser: there is a python rebuild ongoing
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2023-04-17 21:49:41	aregistereduser	ah! thanks. I think the ruby piece is mostly blocked by packaging of libraries though, while py is at current revision
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2023-04-18 00:09:00	flower_	ah shortcuts work with vinagre vnc viewer
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2023-04-18 00:39:48	Edu4rdSHL	SJrX, not really, it's safe to run with mitigations=off unless your other user is someone with the knowledge necessary to exploit especualtive vulnerabilities and, even with that, it's mostly not risk
2023-04-18 00:40:20	Edu4rdSHL	I wouldn't worry about that outside of being a VPS provider or so
2023-04-18 00:40:28	Edu4rdSHL	especulative*
2023-04-18 00:44:24	Edu4rdSHL	And, you need root access for running most of these things, and if your user does have root access then it can do worse things without the need of exploiting such complex exploits
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2023-04-18 01:08:46	Riolku	interesting, didnt know that ty
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2023-04-18 03:22:08	lusr	I'm trying to text hcitool lescan and receive and error. The error is at http://ix.io/4tFS Any idea what might cause this?
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2023-04-18 04:54:05	madprops	can someone help me getting a backtrace on dolphin?
2023-04-18 04:54:27	madprops	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debugging/Getting_traces
2023-04-18 04:54:28	phrik	Title: Debugging/Getting traces - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-04-18 04:54:33	madprops	that's confusing me
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2023-04-18 09:05:21	cornduck	i noticed certain apps taking a super long time to load, then tried `strace firefox` and noticed it hanging here: https://termbin.com/e2w94
2023-04-18 09:05:44	cornduck	its unclear to me what exactly its waiting for
2023-04-18 09:06:38	grawity	did you install some stuff from gnome-unstable
2023-04-18 09:06:46	cornduck	i have no idea
2023-04-18 09:06:59	cornduck	you think its related to gtk? 
2023-04-18 09:07:04	grawity	did you mean "hold on, let me check"
2023-04-18 09:07:28	grawity	no, but it was related to xdg-desktop-portal-gnome v44 from gnome-unstable when I was playing with the new stuff there
2023-04-18 09:07:41	grawity	but it might also be related to some other D-Bus service not starting or hanging
2023-04-18 09:08:55	cornduck	im seeing xdg-desktop-portal-gtk 1.14.1-1
2023-04-18 09:09:51	grawity	actually just out of curiosity what if you install Bustle and set it to record the session bus and see if there's something that takes really long without a response
2023-04-18 09:10:23	cornduck	i don't have the gnome-unstable repository in my pacman.conf
2023-04-18 09:10:39	cornduck	let me try grawity 
2023-04-18 09:13:39	cornduck	very cool app grawity...
2023-04-18 09:13:55	cornduck	looks like its hanging on /org/freedesktop/impl/portal/PermissionStore org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.GetAll
2023-04-18 09:14:05	cornduck	or at least, this is the last thing it does before it hangs
2023-04-18 09:14:09	grawity	yeah it's the portal thing
2023-04-18 09:14:24	grawity	pkill -9 xdg-permission-store
2023-04-18 09:14:49	grawity	I'm not sure why it kept hanging for me too, I *thought* it was just because I had a mix of gnome v44 and v43 libraries
2023-04-18 09:15:21	grawity	(this is part of the "base" xdg-desktop-portal, not the -gnome/-gtk/etc DE-specific addons)
2023-04-18 09:15:47	grawity	just to be sure, it makes a GetAll call but does not receive a reply?
2023-04-18 09:15:59	grawity	or does the call actually succeed for you
2023-04-18 09:19:25	cornduck	it looks like there is a method call, immediatley followed by a method return, and then it hangs
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2023-04-18 10:38:34	susi	should I run bustle as root, or how am I not seeing any treffic on either system nor session bus :o
2023-04-18 10:39:03	grawity	no
2023-04-18 10:39:13	grawity	for system bus it'll automatically run dbus-monitor as root when it needs to
2023-04-18 10:39:25	grawity	maybe there just *isn't* any traffic?
2023-04-18 10:41:46	susi	:E
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2023-04-18 11:23:06	madprops	if i wanted a backtrace of dolphin
2023-04-18 11:23:13	madprops	would i need to re-compile it?
2023-04-18 11:25:15	gromit	madprops: You can do for example: 
2023-04-18 11:25:25	gromit	madprops: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debugging/Getting_traces#Debuginfod
2023-04-18 11:25:27	phrik	Title: Debugging/Getting traces - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-04-18 11:25:33	⚡ 	gromit had the wrong thing in his buffer
2023-04-18 11:26:07	NetSysFire	gdb will even offer to download the thing for you automagically, its amazing
2023-04-18 11:26:44	madprops	excuse my ignornace, but would it be something like debuginfod /usr/bin/dolphin
2023-04-18 11:26:55	madprops	think i tried that
2023-04-18 11:27:10	madprops	or not, lemme try
2023-04-18 11:27:17	NetSysFire	gdb /usr/bin/dolphin
2023-04-18 11:27:39	NetSysFire	This GDB supports auto-downloading debuginfo from the following URLs:
2023-04-18 11:27:42	NetSysFire	  <https://debuginfod.archlinux.org>
2023-04-18 11:27:43	phrik	Title: Debuginfod service - Arch Linux (at debuginfod.archlinux.org)
2023-04-18 11:27:44	NetSysFire	Enable debuginfod for this session? (y or [n])
2023-04-18 11:28:06	NetSysFire	choose y and it will automagically do everything for you, its amazeballs
2023-04-18 11:28:25	madprops	neither worked
2023-04-18 11:28:29	madprops	automagically
2023-04-18 11:28:39	NetSysFire	aw
2023-04-18 11:28:58	madprops	gdb says: Type <RET> for more, q to quit, c to continue without paging--
2023-04-18 11:29:20	NetSysFire	are you sure your gdb is up to date?
2023-04-18 11:29:36	madprops	v13.1
2023-04-18 11:29:45	madprops	i tried gdb /usr/bin/dolpin
2023-04-18 11:30:17	astralc	did you set the environment?
2023-04-18 11:30:19	NetSysFire	what does -Qi gdb say though?
2023-04-18 11:30:38	madprops	im not using plasma. what environment?
2023-04-18 11:30:46	NetSysFire	ooooh its an env var
2023-04-18 11:30:52	NetSysFire	DEBUGINFOD_URLS=https://debuginfod.archlinux.org
2023-04-18 11:30:53	phrik	Title: Debuginfod service - Arch Linux (at debuginfod.archlinux.org)
2023-04-18 11:31:08	NetSysFire	its in /etc/profile.d
2023-04-18 11:32:05	madprops	:/
2023-04-18 11:32:16	madprops	so i tried exporting that
2023-04-18 11:32:28	madprops	and then gdb /usr/bin/dolphin
2023-04-18 11:32:37	madprops	then y on: Enable debuginfod for this session? (y or [n])
2023-04-18 11:32:55	madprops	then it starts a gdb command line
2023-04-18 11:33:25	astralc	so run it?
2023-04-18 11:33:47	NetSysFire	it should have outputted Downloading separate debug info for /usr/bin/dolphin
2023-04-18 11:34:30	madprops	run it. i try dolphin | usr/bin/dolphin
2023-04-18 11:34:41	madprops	NetSysFire, it says Reading symbols from /home/yo/.cache/debuginfod_client/9ddabc3a821cbaf4018651cc7bc5186fa3464b11/debuginfo...
2023-04-18 11:34:47	NetSysFire	very good
2023-04-18 11:35:03	madprops	how do i start dolphin
2023-04-18 11:35:08	madprops	i need to crash it
2023-04-18 11:35:08	NetSysFire	when its done, proceed with the article
2023-04-18 11:35:46	madprops	it just enters a (gdb) command line
2023-04-18 11:35:50	gromit	madprops: "run", the wiki even suggests "run --no-daemon --verbose" 
2023-04-18 11:36:34	gromit	its in the Getting the Trace Section of the article I mentioned earlier :)
2023-04-18 11:37:37	madprops	ok :)   lemme try
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2023-04-18 11:56:33	madprops	what do you tihnk?
2023-04-18 11:56:52	madprops	for some context, it's some actions that crash dolphin
2023-04-18 11:57:02	madprops	spacebar -> spacebar -> spacebar
2023-04-18 12:00:50	arojas	madprops: that's not the backtrace
2023-04-18 12:00:50	madprops	well i pasted that
2023-04-18 12:00:54	madprops	oh...
2023-04-18 12:01:34	madprops	i ran backtrace
2023-04-18 12:01:43	madprops	https://paste.ee/p/4xm4Q
2023-04-18 12:01:45	phrik	Title: Paste.ee - View paste 4xm4Q (at paste.ee)
2023-04-18 12:02:06	NetSysFire	thread apply all bt full
2023-04-18 12:02:48	arojas	you're still only pasting the first few lines
2023-04-18 12:03:03	madprops	that's the output of `backtrace`
2023-04-18 12:03:24	arojas	it's not
2023-04-18 12:03:30	arojas	last line is clearly truncated
2023-04-18 12:04:35	NetSysFire	arojas: by the way, i might have solved the mystery behind https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTCREATORBUG-20133
2023-04-18 12:04:48	NetSysFire	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debugging/Getting_traces#LTO
2023-04-18 12:04:49	phrik	Title: Debugging/Getting traces - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-04-18 12:05:25	NetSysFire	its uhh 5 years late but better late than never
2023-04-18 12:05:36	arojas	huh, forgot about that
2023-04-18 12:06:04	madprops	if any message was directed at me in the last 2 mins can you repaste it please
2023-04-18 12:06:38	madprops	my ram got full and had to reboot
2023-04-18 12:06:53	madprops	lol
2023-04-18 12:07:09	madprops	that's why im getting 64gb now
2023-04-18 12:07:13	madprops	16gb is not enough
2023-04-18 12:07:19	NetSysFire	for frickin debugging symbols
2023-04-18 12:07:33	madprops	:/
2023-04-18 12:07:53	madprops	lol
2023-04-18 12:07:55	NetSysFire	i have only 8 gb and ugh
2023-04-18 12:08:46	madprops	get 64gb
2023-04-18 12:09:00	arojas	madprops: your paste is truncated
2023-04-18 12:09:13	madprops	arojas, what should i run?
2023-04-18 12:10:13	madprops	i just want to fix a rare bug in dolpin
2023-04-18 12:10:54	arojas	madprops: you ran it fine, you just need to paste the *full* output
2023-04-18 12:12:59	madprops	https://paste.ee/p/RYq5Y
2023-04-18 12:13:01	phrik	Title: Paste.ee - View paste RYq5Y (at paste.ee)
2023-04-18 12:13:05	madprops	idk i run `backtrace`
2023-04-18 12:13:09	madprops	and that's what i get
2023-04-18 12:14:13	madprops	hope that helps kde
2023-04-18 12:14:50	arojas	oh boy
2023-04-18 12:15:02	arojas	that backtrace is again without debug symbols
2023-04-18 12:15:09	madprops	damn
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2023-04-18 13:02:41	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1467 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1466 normals)
2023-04-18 12:31:41	madprops	[Detaching after fork from child process 15104]
2023-04-18 12:31:41	madprops	kf.coreaddons: Expected a KPluginFactory, got a KIOPluginForMetaData
2023-04-18 12:31:43	madprops	then it stopped
2023-04-18 12:32:11	madprops	ok it started
2023-04-18 12:32:13	madprops	time to crash it
2023-04-18 12:32:51	madprops	idk this is what i get: https://paste.ee/p/3OE16
2023-04-18 12:32:53	phrik	Title: Paste.ee - View paste 3OE16 (at paste.ee)
2023-04-18 12:33:33	NetSysFire	thread apply all bt full
2023-04-18 12:34:57	madprops	https://paste.ee/p/9bsdy
2023-04-18 12:34:59	phrik	Title: Paste.ee - View paste 9bsdy (at paste.ee)
2023-04-18 12:35:00	madprops	yeah idk
2023-04-18 12:35:04	madprops	i guess im at the wits end
2023-04-18 12:36:12	NetSysFire	it will offer paging
2023-04-18 12:36:26	NetSysFire	get the whole trace using that
2023-04-18 12:54:46	bcrumb	When copying data to an external drive, formatted to something like ext4 or exFAT, is cp sufficient or should rsync with certain settings be used to ensure metadata is also copied over?
2023-04-18 12:54:59	bcrumb	file metadata and such
2023-04-18 12:58:10	ecraven	are there security concerns if I mount the journald socket into a container?
2023-04-18 12:58:20	ecraven	(so that the container can write to the journal directly)?
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2023-04-18 13:54:45	graphitemaster	How does one add a persistent kernel option to systemd-boot, the files in esp/entries are overwritten on every kernel update, but adding an options in loader/loader.config does not work because there is also options in esp/entries
2023-04-18 13:55:39	grawity	figure out what is auto-generating the files in esp/loader/entries/ on your system, because I don't think that's built in?
2023-04-18 13:55:40	astralc	entries are not overwitten, unless you did something
2023-04-18 13:55:44	grawity	and then add options to that thing
2023-04-18 13:55:53	astralc	also /etc/kernel/cmdline
2023-04-18 13:56:50	astralc	probably check your pacman hooks
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2023-04-18 14:20:21	ponies	had a strange conversation today, where somebody wanted me to purchase their branded shirts, for $30 a piece, in order the receive the privillage of selling them myself, to my own clients. Cheap and shitty shirts from a shirt creator site. holy crap i had to try so hard to to tell them to eat a pile of nuts
2023-04-18 14:21:32	ponies	not to eat. People are so full of their own crap sometimes i wonder how they digest
2023-04-18 14:22:04	ponies	oopps wrong channel 
2023-04-18 14:26:05	lucenera	gnome-firmware and fwupd, how is firmware attestation carried out?
2023-04-18 14:26:44	Foxboron	lucenera: you mean the check fwudpdmgr does?
2023-04-18 14:26:57	lucenera	https://ibb.co/qy4FPCd
2023-04-18 14:26:59	phrik	Title: Schermata-del-2023-04-18-14-14-51 hosted at ImgBB — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2023-04-18 14:27:30	lucenera	I think that's the one. It is the checksum verification of the firmware.
2023-04-18 14:28:16	lucenera	On the Intel Management Engine firmware, attestation appears to be unknown.
2023-04-18 14:28:27	jelle	oh that works now
2023-04-18 14:28:43	lucenera	https://ibb.co/C8gtHJP
2023-04-18 14:28:45	phrik	Title: Schermata-del-2023-04-18-14-17-30 hosted at ImgBB — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2023-04-18 14:29:14	lucenera	If I try to press the verify button, I get this message.
2023-04-18 14:29:25	jelle	lucenera: where in gnome is this even
2023-04-18 14:29:41	lucenera	sudo pacman -S gnome-firmware
2023-04-18 14:30:05	jelle	interesting, as this also exists https://i.imgur.com/q9m8NOk.png
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2023-04-18 14:46:48	jelle	Vorpal: aliasssing is not enough?
2023-04-18 14:47:08	Vorpal	jelle: I think podman installs the docker wrapper binary by default?
2023-04-18 14:47:27	Vorpal	I was just commenting on the weird path for the config
2023-04-18 14:48:05	Vorpal	anyway I doubt aliasing would work, since aliases are set in the shell. You would need to put a symlink in PATH probably
2023-04-18 14:52:08	chiselfuse	https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/unzip/trunk/PKGBUILD Why are there so many manual patches here instead of them just being added to the latest version of the upstream?
2023-04-18 14:52:43	chiselfuse	they look like security patches relevant to everyone, not just archlinux
2023-04-18 14:52:44	jelle	chiselfuse: what new version would that be
2023-04-18 14:52:58	chiselfuse	jelle: the newest version of 'unzip'
2023-04-18 14:53:05	chiselfuse	on their upstream
2023-04-18 14:53:07	jelle	chiselfuse: which is 6.0
2023-04-18 14:53:29	chiselfuse	oh
2023-04-18 14:53:46	chiselfuse	is it discontinued?
2023-04-18 14:54:39	akik	wtf did i need arch reboot until the new group membership was updated? a logout/login was not enough
2023-04-18 14:56:55	koffeinfriedhof	akik: newgrp - GROUP applies it locally (in the current used shell)
2023-04-18 14:57:11	akik	koffeinfriedhof: yes i know that command, but logout/login should be enough
2023-04-18 14:58:07	mkoskar	akik: it depends in what context, shell? just bash/zsh -l, DE session, login/logout, systemd --user service eventually with lingering? you need to restart whole "user manager" service, or restart machine yes
2023-04-18 14:58:10	koffeinfriedhof	Depends on the loginmanager I think. 
2023-04-18 14:58:34	koffeinfriedhof	You must restart the loginctl-stuff on systemd or similar on rc.
2023-04-18 14:59:10	chiselfuse	i don't understand the state of that software, is it discontinued? why isn't the pkgbuild pointing at some maintained fork instead of manually patching all that?
2023-04-18 14:59:19	mkoskar	btw newgrp has one rather serious side-effect, the group becomes your *primary* group
2023-04-18 14:59:41	NetSysFire	pro tip: if you just need that once and are lazy, sudo -u youruser -i and you have the new groups applied to the spawned shell
2023-04-18 15:00:02	mkoskar	or just bash/zsh -l
2023-04-18 15:00:47	mkoskar	owait actually I'm not sure about that now, ye rather sudo as NetSysFire said
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2023-04-18 15:19:30	akik	grawity: can you test it yourself?
2023-04-18 15:19:45	grawity	no, I'm not installing a whole new DE just for the sake of winning an internet argument
2023-04-18 15:19:55	grawity	what do you have in /proc/self/cgroup inside Konsole these days?
2023-04-18 15:19:57	akik	grawity: it's not about what DE you use
2023-04-18 15:20:00	grawity	it is
2023-04-18 15:20:03	akik	no
2023-04-18 15:20:10	akik	why would it?
2023-04-18 15:20:18	grawity	not just the DE but specifically the terminal emulator in which you checked the groups
2023-04-18 15:20:22	akik	no
2023-04-18 15:20:26	akik	can't you linux?
2023-04-18 15:20:47	grawity	I've been linuxing this area for longer than you, it sounds like
2023-04-18 15:20:55	grawity	what is in konsole's /proc/self/cgroup?
2023-04-18 15:21:49	akik	$ less /proc/self/group
2023-04-18 15:21:50	akik	/proc/self/group: No such file or directory
2023-04-18 15:21:55	akik	oops
2023-04-18 15:22:12	akik	$ cat /proc/self/cgroup 
2023-04-18 15:22:12	akik	0::/user.slice/user-1000.slice/user@1000.service/app.slice/app-org.kde.konsole-a454a05331094b5dbfbc9d2e4085644a.scope
2023-04-18 15:22:23	akik	i rebooted arch so i can't say what was there before
2023-04-18 15:22:53	grawity	my main guess is that it's a bit like urxvtd or gnome-terminal
2023-04-18 15:23:11	grawity	where if you log out, that doesn't 100% mean the "daemon" half of the terminal emulator has quit
2023-04-18 15:23:19	akik	usermod modifies group directly. why would it depend on the DE or terminal?
2023-04-18 15:23:26	akik	/etc/group
2023-04-18 15:23:51	grawity	because if you run `groups` that does not read from /etc/group, it reads the per-process groups
2023-04-18 15:24:09	grawity	which do not get updated for the already running processes, hence the need for logout/login
2023-04-18 15:24:21	akik	jeez i know the change doesn't get activated right away, but after a logout/login
2023-04-18 15:24:38	akik	logout/login is not enough any more
2023-04-18 15:24:40	grawity	and if you happen to have processes that *survive* that logout/login, then they still have their old groups
2023-04-18 15:24:50	grawity	such as, for example, the "server" half of gnome-terminal or tmux
2023-04-18 15:24:59	akik	konsole doesn't have that sillyness
2023-04-18 15:25:07	akik	try yourself
2023-04-18 15:25:14	grawity	which is why I said it depends on the terminal emulator and the DE it runs in
2023-04-18 15:25:17	akik	no
2023-04-18 15:25:26	akik	it modifies /etc/group directly
2023-04-18 15:26:03	igemnace	grawity: such patience
2023-04-18 15:26:10	akik	somebody needs to crawl at the end of that pipe and fix it (snml)
2023-04-18 15:26:12	akik	(snl)
2023-04-18 15:27:20	akik	can you imagine the windows people laughing at linux group memberships that you need to restart the server for them to apply?
2023-04-18 15:31:20	akik	i have ubuntu on dual boot on this machine. i'll test there
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2023-04-18 15:56:35	alwyn	Beyond qpdfview, which hasn't seen an update since 2014 (I think?), is there a good tabbed pdf viewer?
2023-04-18 15:57:30	graphitemaster	okular supports tabs. Do you mean tabs for pages or tabs for multiple pdf files
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2023-04-18 16:16:34	akik	ubuntu has this same issue, but "kill -9 -1" fixes... it
2023-04-18 16:16:45	akik	at least i don't need to reboot
2023-04-18 16:16:55	grawity	which was exactly my point
2023-04-18 16:31:13	akik	grawity: what was your point? some process is keeping the old group membership alive?
2023-04-18 16:31:17	grawity	yes
2023-04-18 16:31:44	grawity	most likely the 'systemd --user' service manager for your uid
2023-04-18 16:31:52	akik	hey systemd
2023-04-18 16:32:03	grawity	as both GNOME and recently KDE start their components through the service manager instead of spawning them off directly
2023-04-18 16:32:03	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-04-18 16:51:49	lf94	Scimmia: jeez.
2023-04-18 16:52:12	lf94	Scimmia: and here I am trying to build on a 1.6GHz x86-64 machine
2023-04-18 16:52:32	Scimmia	yeah, that was going to be painful
2023-04-18 17:18:31	susi	akik: I'd try daemon-reexec'ing the user service manager, probably
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2023-04-18 17:34:02	akik	susi: i'll let somebody else handle it, kill -9 -1 takes care of the problem
2023-04-18 17:34:02	akik	i'm no programmer so i can't contribute to the issue, other than report it
2023-04-18 17:34:02	susi	I don't think we are talking about a bug someone's gonna fix, it's a feature of this architecture
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2023-04-18 17:51:35	susi	can we tell the manager not to linger?
2023-04-18 17:55:53	grawity	UserStopDelaySec= in logind.conf
2023-04-18 17:56:23	susi	me has default setting, and it seems to be 10
2023-04-18 17:57:41	akik	Scimmia: recent change? can you link to it?
2023-04-18 17:59:16	susi	but would it really linger when something does not terminiate within UserStopDelaySec, or will there be some "Stopping ... (n/m)" like message shown, and the login prompt to appear only after the stuff has stopped or been terminated/killed?
2023-04-18 18:00:06	Scimmia	akik: don't look at me, I was just repeating what was said earlier
2023-04-18 18:00:18	akik	did somebody test using usermod to add a new group to their user? i'd like to know if i'm doing something wrong
2023-04-18 18:01:07	akik	the change appears directly in /etc/group
2023-04-18 18:02:55	astralc	what do you mean? which command?
2023-04-18 18:03:21	akik	astralc: sudo usermod -a -G group username, then logout & login, check id to see if the new group got added
2023-04-18 18:04:46	astralc	it add new group? I thought group must exist
2023-04-18 18:05:24	gehidore	added the user to the group perhaps they meant?
2023-04-18 18:06:11	astralc	there shouldn't be change to /etc/group in this command
2023-04-18 18:07:20	akik	astralc: of course there'll be. how did you think it works?
2023-04-18 18:07:43	astralc	ah, forgot it list the users there
2023-04-18 18:07:50	lf94	Instructions per second per cycles seems like a great measurement
2023-04-18 18:08:00	lf94	for comp speed
2023-04-18 18:08:27	gehidore	ipspc!
2023-04-18 18:08:55	susi	int/cycle-seconds
2023-04-18 18:09:04	susi	cycleseconds*
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2023-04-18 18:40:53	sigod	i have iceweasel installed, why would google homepage show a black old style menu at the top of the page?
2023-04-18 18:41:20	grawity	http user-agent
2023-04-18 18:42:53	sigod	Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:112.0) Gecko/20100101 iceweasel/112.0
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2023-04-18 20:20:16	Justice	hm my benq does not want to be overriden ;/
2023-04-18 20:27:05	Justice	ffs the naming is wrong....
2023-04-18 20:27:40	Justice	xrandr shows HDMI-0 while "cat/sys//class/drm/ is card0-HDMI-A-1 so maybe HDMI-A-1 then...
2023-04-18 20:27:55	Justice	HDMI-0/HDMI-1*
2023-04-18 20:33:17	Justice	SUCCESS!
2023-04-18 20:33:19	Justice	damn you amdgpu display implementation!
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2023-04-18 21:00:53	Justice	Riolku: most of the time amdgpu is nice, but there are some stupid bugs..
2023-04-18 21:01:11	Justice	had this one for 2 years now...https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/1442
2023-04-18 21:01:14	phrik	Title: 6900XT 5120x1440 @ 240Hz not possible (#1442) · Issues · drm / amd · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2023-04-18 21:01:28	Justice	though a custom edid works so...
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2023-04-19 01:07:04	blupier	Hi
2023-04-19 01:08:22	blupier	I'm facing an issue under i3 where environment.d variable are not visible but when i login on KDE. I can see those variables.
2023-04-19 01:08:32	blupier	both are being started with SDDM
2023-04-19 01:10:06	demure	blupier: on i3, i find some envar, like PATH, need to be declared in the xinitrc if programs launched from i3 to see them
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2023-04-19 01:33:11	Riolku	when you say environment.d, what do you mean? /etc/environment.d?
2023-04-19 01:33:16	Riolku	blupier
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2023-04-19 06:44:16	ryzenda	[    0.305684] mce: [Hardware Error]: Machine check events logged -------- Where can I find this log data?  Note: My system had about 28 days uptime so far, and just rebooted by itself for the xx,xxxth time, and I'm still trying to figure out what the issue is
2023-04-19 06:46:44	jl2	tried dmesg/journalctl
2023-04-19 06:47:17	jl2	?
2023-04-19 06:49:05	rcf	ryzenda: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Machine-check_exception
2023-04-19 06:49:06	phrik	Title: Machine-check exception - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-04-19 06:49:34	rcf	ryzenda: have fun building something when the machine is unstable, of course. 
2023-04-19 06:52:08	rcf	ryzenda: and unfortunately you're probably going to get bad news once you do figure out what the exception actually is 
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2023-04-19 07:12:36	rcf	I would guess RAM issue, or weird driver bug 
2023-04-19 07:14:27	rcf	But most likely RAM. 
2023-04-19 07:14:50	rcf	Especially if memtest is also unhappy. 
2023-04-19 07:16:31	ryzenda	well, I'm running 2 pcs now, whereas a couple weeks ago I only had one pc running in the last several years (with 4x16gb sticks of ram) but currently 2 sticks in each computer (and I have 4x32gb ecc ram that I purchased also that I haven't used yet, and will use that after I'm done investigating this hardware failure over the next weeks/months or however long it takes, lol
2023-04-19 07:17:32	lucenera	Through sbctl I was able to enable Secure Boot with Arch. Great!
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2023-04-19 10:06:54	liowenex	pacman -R or pacman -Rcnsu?
2023-04-19 10:12:01	grawity	depends on what you *want* to remove
2023-04-19 10:12:30	grawity	with -n you purge configs from /etc, without -n you keep them in case you want to reinstall the thing later
2023-04-19 10:12:33	grawity	and so on
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2023-04-19 11:39:08	AiO	hm... ok... i "repared os" from BIOS (Dell Support Assistant) and Windows is re-installed (dualbooted using EFI).. i can see the LUKS-partitions in windows still, so it did not wipe them. however i can not see the partitions from an Arch live media... what's up with that? any great ieas? nvme list shows nada.
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2023-04-19 12:15:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, Good Luck: https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2023-04-19 12:06:07	polarian	with gpg, you can curl a gpg key, and then pipe it to "gpg --import -"
2023-04-19 12:06:13	SysGhost	About RAID. Don't do BIOS/Motherboard RAID. go with software RAID with LUKS/LVM etc. Been there. Done that. I regret it.
2023-04-19 12:06:16	polarian	but with pacman-key you dont seem to be bale to do this 
2023-04-19 12:06:24	polarian	how do I import a single gpg key into pacman-key
2023-04-19 12:08:34	mpan	polarian: Arch’s keyring is just a plain GnuPG keyring. You can use it directly with GnuPG. Otherwise you have the `--add` option.
2023-04-19 12:08:55	nullie	AiO: nvme list shows devices, not partitions afaik
2023-04-19 12:09:36	AiO	nullie: i managed to decrypt and boot the partitions now... just need to resture UEFI with efibootmgr
2023-04-19 12:09:40	AiO	(hopefully)
2023-04-19 12:09:46	nullie	cool
2023-04-19 12:09:49	AiO	i really have no clue what happened
2023-04-19 12:09:54	AiO	looks like BIOS got reset somehow
2023-04-19 12:10:18	AiO	i _did_ try to do a fwupd yesterday too... but the machine kept working nicely for about an hour after that
2023-04-19 12:10:51	AiO	oh well... i think there is hope still <3
2023-04-19 12:11:12	polarian	ah that works
2023-04-19 12:11:32	polarian	mpan: thx
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2023-04-19 13:19:07	astralc	pacman -Qdtq | pacman -Rsn -
2023-04-19 13:19:17	astralc	(or without -n)
2023-04-19 13:19:55	Guest4501	whats the difference between Qdtq and rsn
2023-04-19 13:20:21	astralc	!man pacman
2023-04-19 13:20:22	phrik	astralc: https://man.archlinux.org/man/pacman#
2023-04-19 13:20:32	nullie	I think automatically installed dependencies are automatically removed when you do -Rsu
2023-04-19 13:20:41	astralc	it is single command with pipe
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2023-04-19 13:55:18	astralc	depending on you definition of command... I think it as single command, multiple programs;
2023-04-19 13:59:02	cedb	i take as definition my one true god, the bash manual
2023-04-19 14:01:17	astralc	!give cedb bashawk
2023-04-19 14:01:18	phrik	cedb: https://github.com/helixarch/debtap/blob/99991fa9c93323525179eb8922ff0626b577a6f7/debtap#L698-L2651
2023-04-19 14:01:39	cedb	oh hell no why wouldyou curse me with debtap
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2023-04-19 14:34:16	phonemic	firejail is prevents dolphin from open files over an smb:// address. this may not be the right place, but how can I troubleshoot? Happens across multiple file types and applications.
2023-04-19 14:34:22	phonemic	*opening
2023-04-19 14:37:59	Guest9866	installing arch isnt that hard after all
2023-04-19 14:38:30	Guest9866	all you really have to do is to partition drive, install grub and install networkmanager
2023-04-19 14:39:38	Namarrgon	http://i.imgur.com/rCr9A.png
2023-04-19 14:55:02	susi	I tried installing mongodb-bin from AUR, but all I got was "illegal hardware instruction (core dumped)" when trying to run the binary - does it mean I'm probably lacking some feature listed in 'flags' under /proc/cpuinfo that the person compiling/building the product had?
2023-04-19 14:55:20	susi	at least I do have sse sse2 ssse3 sse4_1 sse4_2
2023-04-19 14:55:47	another|	probably built with avx2
2023-04-19 14:56:18	another|	I vaguely remember reading about that before
2023-04-19 14:56:21	DeepDayze	avx2 is common in recent cpu's
2023-04-19 14:56:49	DeepDayze	sse and its variants have been around for a good while
2023-04-19 14:56:58	susi	but I still don't have it :(
2023-04-19 14:57:07	DeepDayze	what cpu you have?
2023-04-19 14:57:10	another|	Introduced with Haswell
2023-04-19 14:57:17	Namarrgon	https://jira.mongodb.org/browse/SERVER-58648
2023-04-19 14:57:31	another|	i?-4000 series
2023-04-19 14:57:45	susi	DeepDayze: pentium silver n6000
2023-04-19 14:59:20	DeepDayze	That's in the Jasper Lake class
2023-04-19 15:01:55	another|	avx2 is usually only available in core i chips on intels side
2023-04-19 15:04:43	DeepDayze	so that Silver Pentium chip is too underpowered and doesn't support the features Mongo needs
2023-04-19 15:05:48	DeepDayze	generally an intel i series or a recent AMD CPU has the avx/avx2 support
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2023-04-19 15:32:41	another|	I tried to build mongodb once. After 100GB disk space and many hours of compute I aborted
2023-04-19 15:34:47	Scimmia	susi: mongodb 5+ requires avx, if you don't have that you have to stick with 4.4
2023-04-19 15:35:58	Scimmia	even with a build from source
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2023-04-19 16:32:21	vvn	astralc: pacman -Syu :-S
2023-04-19 16:32:27	vvn	nullie: can't boot
2023-04-19 16:32:44	nullie	vvn: yes, to what stage do you get?
2023-04-19 16:33:03	astralc	vvn: check pacman log. probaly it is the kernel
2023-04-19 16:33:14	astralc	*probably
2023-04-19 16:34:38	vvn	what's the difference between pacman --sysroot and pacman -r ?
2023-04-19 16:35:58	astralc	sysroot also chroot
2023-04-19 16:38:33	vvn	ha ok, while -r works on the host system, not the mounted one
2023-04-19 16:40:18	vvn	pacman --sysroot /mnt -Syyu fails to download core.db
2023-04-19 16:41:24	jelle	failing to download sounds more like a network issue
2023-04-19 16:45:39	vvn	is it safe to use pacstrap to recover a mounted system?
2023-04-19 16:46:58	vvn	libraries like libcap.so are messed up
2023-04-19 16:48:06	jelle	vvn: you can try to arch-chroot into it and see if you can run pacman
2023-04-19 16:48:29	vvn	jelle: I can't download from the chroot
2023-04-19 16:48:52	jelle	vvn: hmmm why not?
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2023-04-19 17:06:56	atcq	Up
2023-04-19 17:07:14	vvn	whatever I try to do with pacman -r, I get ldconfig: /usr/lib/... is empty, not checked
2023-04-19 17:08:40	astralc	so /mnt/usr/lib is emtpy or not?
2023-04-19 17:09:20	vvn	astralc: no
2023-04-19 17:10:59	throstur	I have a package in my custom.db called evesetup (aur search evesetup shows me aur/evesetup), I want to remove it from my system but I can't figure out how, what should I do?
2023-04-19 17:11:49	astralc	throstur: pacman -R?
2023-04-19 17:11:50	throstur	pacman -Rns evesetup gives me the target not found error
2023-04-19 17:12:19	astralc	pacman -Qo <binary> to check what is the package name
2023-04-19 17:12:48	astralc	is it installed at all?
2023-04-19 17:12:53	throstur	I don't know what binaries are there, my X problem is that when I aur sync -u, it tries to update some openssl package I don't need that is depended on by evesetup
2023-04-19 17:13:21	astralc	aurutils update also not installed
2023-04-19 17:13:33	astralc	if it is in your custom repo
2023-04-19 17:14:04	astralc	you need to repo-remove it, or check aurutils man page for a remove script
2023-04-19 17:16:44	throstur	so here I have 2 issues: (1) what is aurutils update and (2) how do I find the correct path to something to repo-remove? I always get the error with a bad extension
2023-04-19 17:17:03	throstur	e.g. sudo repo-remove openssl-1.0 -> ==> ERROR: 'openssl-1.0' does not have a valid database archive extension.
2023-04-19 17:20:46	throstur	I'll keep playing with it for a bit
2023-04-19 17:21:36	astralc	I don't think you need sudo (if you created based on the man page)
2023-04-19 17:22:01	astralc	repo-remove <path to repo.db> evesetup
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2023-04-19 17:42:32	DeepDayze	It's a risk updating the system and if power goes down there may be the possibility system may be borked if updates were in progress
2023-04-19 17:42:46	DarkFeather	UPSes are good :)
2023-04-19 17:42:49	DeepDayze	good if you have backups too
2023-04-19 17:43:13	susi	laptops are good
2023-04-19 17:43:30	DeepDayze	yep if you have a fully charged battery on a laptop
2023-04-19 17:43:57	DeepDayze	that should give you time to finish the update if all packages were already downloaded before the power hit
2023-04-19 17:44:06	susi	or systemd services monitoring and reacting to battery level appropriately
2023-04-19 17:44:14	DeepDayze	yep
2023-04-19 17:44:46	DeepDayze	I lost a drive once to a power surge...had to rebuild my system and restore my data from a backup
2023-04-19 17:45:07	DeepDayze	SSD's are even more sensitive to power surges than regular rust drives
2023-04-19 17:45:29	susi	I lost my previous laptop recently, and luckily I'm no backup type guy, so it was a fresh learning experience 
2023-04-19 17:45:47	DeepDayze	wow, whole thing or just the drive?
2023-04-19 17:46:55	⚡ 	DeepDayze needs a new laptop as old one is on its last legs
2023-04-19 17:48:44	susi	a friend of mine physically screwed it, and it had just an eMMC :)
2023-04-19 17:48:50	DeepDayze	wow
2023-04-19 17:48:54	DeepDayze	that's rough
2023-04-19 17:49:32	vvn	when I run pacman --sysroot /mnt -S base, I can GPGME error: Invalid crypto engine, then failed to commit transaction (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature))
2023-04-19 17:51:56	susi	what does "DRM master" mean in ffmpeg docs # "...and requires DRM master or CAP_SYS_ADMIN to run"?
2023-04-19 17:53:07	latef02	hello guys i have a new harddisk i want clone my old harddisk to the new one without install again every programme and every packages how can i do that with arch linux
2023-04-19 17:55:19	NetSysFire	susi: i am unsure but that looks like a question for #ffmpeg
2023-04-19 17:55:40	NetSysFire	drm master would mean something like gpu access here i imagine since drm in that context means direct rendering manager or something like that
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2023-04-19 18:19:34	polo	what is the pacman equivalent to apt autoremove
2023-04-19 18:19:39	Guest4874	what is the pacman equivalent to apt autoremove
2023-04-19 18:21:34	susi	polarian: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Rosetta
2023-04-19 18:21:35	phrik	Title: pacman/Rosetta - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-04-19 18:21:39	susi	Guest4874: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Rosetta
2023-04-19 18:22:00	Riolku	I would recommend a live usb: but if you mount the running system readonly, it may work - please be very careful and take a backup of any super important files :)
2023-04-19 18:23:20	latef02	Riolku, thanks (y) 
2023-04-19 18:25:20	susi	latef02: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/disk_cloning
2023-04-19 18:25:21	phrik	Title: Disk cloning - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-04-19 18:31:13	Guest4874	I ran pacman -Qdtq and it left a bunch of dependencies
2023-04-19 18:31:26	Guest4874	for an example .steam folder is still there
2023-04-19 18:32:38	astralc	it doesn't remove anything from home
2023-04-19 18:34:23	Scimmia	And -Q doesn't remove anything at all
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2023-04-19 21:02:41	vvn	got it
2023-04-19 21:07:24	susi	vvn: could you post `tac /var/log/pacman.log | grep "$(date +%Y-%m-%d)"`  
2023-04-19 21:07:46	susi	[assuming the power-out happened on this same date]
2023-04-19 21:18:24	susi	have you ever used: pacman -Qc?
2023-04-19 21:18:40	susi	you the people, I mean. not related to the issue at hand
2023-04-19 21:18:51	vvn	I can upgrade successfully now after resetting the keyring
2023-04-19 21:30:45	astralc	susi: there is no changelog for arch packages
2023-04-19 21:31:23	vvn	so the mounted rootfs is repaired, but I can't boot it yet, fwupd-efi says WARNING: No updates to process, exiting and I also get Error loading vmlinuz-linux, not found
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2023-04-19 21:52:12	RealFloridaMan	why ppl dont update arch? cause the next update will screw everything that was working and new thing interfere with everything else, so nothing work again
2023-04-19 21:52:13	RealFloridaMan	at all
2023-04-19 21:52:14	RealFloridaMan	lol
2023-04-19 21:53:21	susi	glances has the most non-trivial changelog in arch pkg sphere
2023-04-19 21:53:30	astralc	I assume you have to many aur packages that you don't update, or don't config correctly
2023-04-19 21:54:04	susi	or according to some net talks used to have :( doesn't seem like it nowadays
2023-04-19 21:57:46	alad	florida man updates arch
2023-04-19 21:58:33	astralc	pacman -Syu --wrestle-crocodile
2023-04-19 21:58:43	demonicmaniac1	glances... when you want your monitoring utility to always use the top spot on cpu usage and memory usage
2023-04-19 21:58:57	demonicmaniac1	because that's what monitoring utilities are there for right? to use up all resources
2023-04-19 21:59:08	RealFloridaMan	I do, every six months, cause I like living on the edge
2023-04-19 21:59:28	astralc	"monitoring", is the NSA agent cryptomining on your pc?
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2023-04-19 23:36:03	Keridos	I have a small issue with my thinkpad (amd): It successfully can do s2idle sleep but when it resumes it seems my CPU is stuck in some powersaving state where it clocks way lower (389 MHz idle vs 1600 MHz idle) then it does in default.
2023-04-19 23:36:37	Keridos	I can fix that by detaching AC and reattaching it (needs to be in that specific order)
2023-04-19 23:36:57	Keridos	Anybody here got an idea on how I could fix this in software?
2023-04-19 23:39:14	Keridos	Weird is that the cpufreq information for the CPU look fine,  /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq f.ex. shows 1600MHz
2023-04-19 23:49:03	Freneticks	gajim pkg is always outdated do the maintainer need help, can I contact him with new PKGBUILD, or need new maintainer ? How we proceed to help ?
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2023-04-20 01:40:55	rcf	Keridos: is there anything in the journal when this happens? 
2023-04-20 01:43:17	Nuc1eoN	Hi I am trying to install systemd-boot, currently I am using grub2. I am having an issue when running the comand `bootctl --esp-path=/boot install`. It shows:
2023-04-20 01:43:17	Nuc1eoN	File system "/boot" is not a FAT EFI System Partition (ESP) file system.
2023-04-20 01:43:17	Nuc1eoN	However the partition (on nvme drive) is a fat32 and has the esp flag. When running `bootctl --esp-path=/boot/efi install` it works, but that is not what I want, since my kernel reside under /boot. I have followed https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/systemd-boot#Installation
2023-04-20 01:43:17	Nuc1eoN	Here somebody has a similar problem: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=212066 but I do not want to format my boot partition (it contains stuff from other OSes). Also I do not understand why a format is needed.
2023-04-20 01:43:19	phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-04-20 01:43:20	phrik	Title: Can't install bootctl, says File system "/boot" is not a FAT ESP / Installation / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-04-20 01:45:04	thurstylark	why not just mount your esp to /boot?
2023-04-20 01:45:13	Namarrgon	with systemd-boot the kernel needs to be on the ESP or the XBOOT partition
2023-04-20 01:45:23	thurstylark	reinstall anything that put files there (such as your kernel), and bob's your uncle
2023-04-20 01:46:36	Nuc1eoN	yes I guess I have to set it to /boot in fstab. Currently it is at /boot/efi.
2023-04-20 01:46:52	Nuc1eoN	?
2023-04-20 01:47:12	Namarrgon	no, it is where you set it up to be
2023-04-20 01:47:33	thurstylark	fstab only deals with mounting things at boot. if you want that to change now, you'll have to actually do the mounting yourselff
2023-04-20 01:50:25	thurstylark	like, obviously, you should *also* set that properly in fstab so it sets up properly during boot, but that's just not how to make that change immediately
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2023-04-20 02:18:52	andril	hello all
2023-04-20 02:19:08	andril	any objections to running electron?
2023-04-20 02:19:23	andril	I wante to install Element
2023-04-20 02:19:33	thurstylark	I mean... many? But also, it's your machine, do what you want :P
2023-04-20 02:22:00	andril	thurstylark: i am just trying to avoid issues on this new install 
2023-04-20 02:23:50	thurstylark	I mean, element is in the repos, so I don't see why there should be any huge issues... are you expecting issues?
2023-04-20 02:27:42	andril	No i just saw people kind of make remarks when i ran vscode or etcher and they mentioned electron
2023-04-20 02:31:26	andril	thanks - just stickign with weechat
2023-04-20 02:32:17	thurstylark	Eh, it's kind of an ideological issue more than anything afaik...
2023-04-20 02:32:34	thurstylark	but if you choose to use it, then like I said, it's your machaine
2023-04-20 02:32:37	thurstylark	*machine
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2023-04-20 03:25:27	Namarrgon	vysn: "disk encryption password"? do you mean in the initramfs or during firmware bootstrapping?
2023-04-20 03:25:51	Namarrgon	i'm not sure how that SE thread is related
2023-04-20 03:26:42	Namarrgon	for get a bt keyboard working before the OS starts you need explicit support in the firmware or by the bt dongle
2023-04-20 03:27:07	Namarrgon	some of the logitech dongles used to have a fallback mode but i don't know if that's still a thing
2023-04-20 03:29:17	Keridos	rcf: not on sleep or resume. neither on journalctl -xe, nor dmesg
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2023-04-20 03:53:18	rcf	vysn: unfortunately it's probably very much device-specific 
2023-04-20 03:53:38	rcf	I'd think more firmware would have better support these days but maybe not 
2023-04-20 03:54:53	vysn	bt dongle with the CSR8150 chip are dual mode and capable of HID and HIC. 
2023-04-20 03:55:13	rcf	hmm
2023-04-20 03:56:06	vysn	it should be switchable. I am looking into the hci2hdi command in bluez
2023-04-20 03:57:57	vysn	any idea what --devpath means ? its one of the mandatory options in hid2hci
2023-04-20 03:58:11	rcf	/dev/whatever_your_adatper_is
2023-04-20 03:58:22	mewt	please ignore my question, it's a router chipset problem
2023-04-20 03:59:20	rcf	mewt: you might still be able to work around it, unless you've already figured it out 
2023-04-20 04:05:05	mewt	My workaround is dropping back to wpa2 until I get something that doesn't use mwlwifi
2023-04-20 04:06:18	vysn	I looked into dev/bus/usb and dev/usb there are many files. lsusb does not seem to show any related info that i can identify in the said dev directories
2023-04-20 04:08:23	Keridos	rfx: linux-amd from aur, currently 6.2.11
2023-04-20 04:10:24	Keridos	rfc: linux-amd from aur, currently 6.2.11
2023-04-20 04:13:03	vysn	I managed to find the device location.
2023-04-20 04:14:57	Guest7426	Hi, i installed a game on steam but i uninstalled steam before uninstalled steam and it didnt install the game so now im not sure where the files for the game are located 
2023-04-20 04:17:50	andonome	Should be in ./.local/share/Steam/steamapps/
2023-04-20 04:18:53	andonome	~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common I think.
2023-04-20 04:19:52	andonome	If you're just tidying up, and you don't want steam installed, you could just delete ~/.local/share/Steam/
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2023-04-20 04:39:17	another|	how?
2023-04-20 04:39:19	demure	Guest7426: you may want to find a general linux help chan for assistance with your question of basic linux use, rather than the arch chan.
2023-04-20 04:52:24	NetSysFire	well theres also inspecting -Ql but basic fhs knowledge is required
2023-04-20 04:53:29	NetSysFire	oh and also xdg i guess
2023-04-20 04:54:28	vevais	How come the kernel is so huge when I try to build it with the abs? kernel.org tar is 130MB yet it's cloning the archlinux-linux git repo and it's massive!
2023-04-20 04:55:11	NetSysFire	try a shallow clone
2023-04-20 04:55:57	vevais	Hm. Any reading on that?
2023-04-20 04:57:17	NetSysFire	--depth parameter used in git clone
2023-04-20 04:58:05	vevais	Alright. Thanks.
2023-04-20 05:01:06	vevais	So it's downloading basically all the history and commits and stuff with it and that's why it's so huge?
2023-04-20 05:01:18	NetSysFire	exactly
2023-04-20 05:01:29	vevais	That shouldn't be standard, though.
2023-04-20 05:01:40	vevais	Or exactly why does it do that?
2023-04-20 05:01:41	NetSysFire	it is for several reasons
2023-04-20 05:01:55	Numero	am following https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/dropbox but have hit a snag: makepkg -si results in "dropbox-lnx.x86_64-170.4.5895.tar.gz ... FAILED (unknown public key FC918B335044912E)
2023-04-20 05:01:55	Numero	==> ERROR: One or more PGP signatures could not be verified!"
2023-04-20 05:01:56	phrik	Title: Dropbox - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-04-20 05:04:06	NetSysFire	vevais: you might want to alias it because it certainly wont be changed upstream
2023-04-20 05:04:11	NetSysFire	in git i mean
2023-04-20 05:07:20	Numero	before you ask, apparently the file i'm trying to download is too big for browser download; it keeps failing roughly halfway through
2023-04-20 05:08:53	Max-P	Numero: you need to import the public key, downloading it in a browser won't make that go away. It's not corrupted.
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2023-04-20 05:26:58	Numero	sorry for this not really being an arch problem but i can't figure out how to use the gui dropbox client or the command line client when all i've been given is a URL and a passcode to download a file
2023-04-20 05:27:21	Numero	a file from someone else's dropbox accoujnt
2023-04-20 05:28:04	Max-P	I don't think you can, just use the browser for that
2023-04-20 05:28:07	thurstylark	Numero: first thing is to just try it in a browser
2023-04-20 05:28:29	thurstylark	and yeah, I don't think that method is available with the desktop gui anyways
2023-04-20 05:29:33	Numero	thurstylark: as previously indicated, file is apparently too large for browser download
2023-04-20 05:30:48	thurstylark	ah, didn't read the scrollback
2023-04-20 05:30:52	Max-P	try another browser, or curl, or wget, or aria2c
2023-04-20 05:31:12	Max-P	I'm not aware that there's a file size limit for browser downloads, I've download 50+GB files no problem
2023-04-20 05:40:11	Numero	Max-P: so far it's failed twice using firefox on macos both wired and wifi and once with firevox on arch linux, wired. trying now on macos/wifi/chrome
2023-04-20 05:57:26	◣	nrg (~NRG@user/nrg) ha salido (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in)
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2023-04-20 07:05:43	Max-P	so unalias it and you'll be good BoBeR182
2023-04-20 07:07:11	BoBeR182	yup
2023-04-20 07:07:14	BoBeR182	that's what I did
2023-04-20 07:07:21	BoBeR182	is there a way to have to "fixed"
2023-04-20 07:07:28	BoBeR182	like have both features working at the same tmie
2023-04-20 07:07:41	BoBeR182	resetting my password timer and sudo aliases working?
2023-04-20 07:08:06	BoBeR182	if not, I can document a warning in the wiki
2023-04-20 07:08:12	BoBeR182	so the next user isn't as confused as I was
2023-04-20 07:21:25	Max-P	This works, but eww
2023-04-20 07:21:27	Max-P	alias sudo="cat - <(command sudo -v >/dev/null 2>/dev/null) | sudo "
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2023-04-20 08:57:35	Max-P	It times out reauthenticating too, so probably the other end is hanging for a few sec
2023-04-20 08:58:08	amosbird	Heh, I'm using a frequency that is not equal to any channel  http://oracle.wentropy.com/b8917300ca78228a  ...
2023-04-20 08:58:16	rcf	In this case the rekeying error is the issue, not a signal problem. 
2023-04-20 09:00:44	amosbird	rcf: what do you mean by "rekeying"?
2023-04-20 09:03:42	rcf	Well, maybe not. 
2023-04-20 09:04:42	grawity	amosbird: that's just what iwlist supports listing via WEXT
2023-04-20 09:05:06	grawity	hmm no maybe not
2023-04-20 09:05:20	grawity	but I do remember it having similar limits related to channels
2023-04-20 09:07:26	grawity	well, yeah, compared to `iw phy` it really seems like WEXT just can't list those
2023-04-20 09:07:42	grawity	that's a regular channel 165 though
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2023-04-20 09:47:49	redtide	grawity: an AUR package, carla-bridge-win
2023-04-20 09:48:33	redtide	not the current one, I'm replacing that "bin" package with a source based one
2023-04-20 09:50:10	redtide	*carla-bridges-win (as comaintainer), following my carla-bridges-win-git
2023-04-20 09:52:05	redtide	I know, it's not archlinux-aur but I ask here because it's related to mingw-w64-winpthreads package
2023-04-20 09:55:50	gromit	redtide: is this a windows app on the AUR? 
2023-04-20 09:57:19	redtide	nope, Carla is a multiplatform audio host, it has win32 and 64 bridges to load windows lv2/vst audio plugins. That package requires the carla package to build the bridges (not included in main package)
2023-04-20 09:58:49	redtide	anyway the question is if it's a problem of the mingw based code or some setting I don't know (i exclude any bug in mingw package)
2023-04-20 10:03:52	Namarrgon	what is the issue apart from that message? does the build fail?
2023-04-20 10:05:13	redtide	yes but I think it's not related, I had other source code using mingw with that warning and there wasn't issues (at least apparently)
2023-04-20 10:05:55	redtide	the annoying thing is that it stay for a while when it appears, so it's like to slow down the build, so if there is something to make it go away I would appreciate
2023-04-20 10:06:55	Namarrgon	are you building with -j>1?
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2023-04-20 10:24:37	Namarrgon	you should be able to move windows manually there with keyboard shortcuts but it's manual
2023-04-20 10:24:58	Namarrgon	e.g. new windows won't "snap" into place automatically
2023-04-20 10:25:56	Namarrgon	there are tiling scripts that will work in most xorg WMs
2023-04-20 10:26:07	nona	Namarrgon: i know that XFCE won't allow me to drag a window to the screen edge, and upon touching that, tile itself. but i don't see why it couldn't work with hotkeys.
2023-04-20 10:26:31	Namarrgon	it should work with hotkeys, unless they removed those again
2023-04-20 10:26:55	nona	let me carefully read through the list once more
2023-04-20 10:27:06	nona	OH!
2023-04-20 10:27:22	nona	thank you, sorry for the stupid question :(
2023-04-20 10:36:12	redtide	so no answer for my question?
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2023-04-20 10:58:40	grawity	so if there's a lot of state changes happening at once, the kernel will fill in as much space as the program tries to read() and will discard the notifications that didn't fit
2023-04-20 10:58:49	grawity	run `ip monitor` to see them
2023-04-20 10:59:19	grawity	well to be fair I guess it can't just buffer them *forever*
2023-04-20 10:59:56	rcf	Tell that to disk cache when the underlying device is slow flash 
2023-04-20 11:03:46	amosbird	grawity: hmm, ip monitor doesn't output anything yet. Do I need to wait for the error to reproduce?
2023-04-20 11:03:51	amosbird	Is there any monitor log?
2023-04-20 11:18:52	manolo	hi, since yesterday I cannot send email with msmtp. `echo "hello" | msmtp -a myconfig myaddress@example.com` simply sits there forever without returning anything, error or not. 
2023-04-20 11:19:15	manolo	is there any news that might be related to this that might have missed?
2023-04-20 11:19:16	grawity	manolo: try again with debug logging enabled
2023-04-20 11:22:40	manolo	grawity: http://sprunge.us/etsD3G
2023-04-20 11:23:20	grawity	looks like a server problem if it doesn't respond to EHLO
2023-04-20 11:23:40	manolo	OK, thanks, I've only tried it at my uni, so it might well be that. 
2023-04-20 11:24:09	manolo	ah, no, I did try it with my personal wifi from my phone
2023-04-20 11:24:16	manolo	let me try that again
2023-04-20 11:27:29	bob_x1	how to limit find command to print X levels in listing ?
2023-04-20 11:27:54	bob_x1	some time was not using find command and forgot correct flag. tryed -depth 2 and it looks something different
2023-04-20 11:27:59	grawity	-maxdepth
2023-04-20 11:28:15	bob_x1	thank you grawity 
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2023-04-20 13:12:29	heythere221	Hey I just made my own arch iso with 'archiso'. Everything seems to be working as expected but I have one issue tho. How do I tilize the whole USB space for the arch life iso environment? 
2023-04-20 13:12:31	|8lurry|	hi, let's say I have a login prompt on tty1 and I have another login session over ssh. say I can't log in on the tty1 because the machine does not have any keyboard attached to it. How can I make the tty1 prompt gone and have it logged in from the ssh session (which supposedly will run a barrier client and through which I will have keyboard on it).
2023-04-20 13:13:04	heythere221	I just have like 200Mb left during the life session so I cannot really install any larger programs etc.
2023-04-20 13:13:29	Namarrgon	the iso isn't meant to be persistent so it has no free space
2023-04-20 13:13:44	luna	New kernels today upstream 1-2 days early
2023-04-20 13:13:46	Namarrgon	you could just install arch the regular way to usb
2023-04-20 13:14:20	heythere221	Yeah right I dont want persistence I just want a larger life envoronment. For example the manjaro life iso has plenty of space left so u can actually install stuff into the life envoronment.
2023-04-20 13:14:34	Namarrgon	you want a larger ram disk?
2023-04-20 13:14:40	heythere221	Namarrgon: Already tried a USB install but irs really slow.
2023-04-20 13:14:43	heythere221	Namarrgon: Yes!!
2023-04-20 13:14:53	CarloWood	heythere221: I think you mean live?
2023-04-20 13:15:04	heythere221	Namarrgon: If that gives me a larger 'life envvoronment' then I guess I want that.
2023-04-20 13:15:28	heythere221	CarloWood: Right by bad.
2023-04-20 13:15:43	CarloWood	"My life sucks. To take a life."  "I am live, doing a live stream on youtube"
2023-04-20 13:15:55	CarloWood	Just trying to help :). I am non-english too.
2023-04-20 13:16:03	heythere221	CarloWood: Thx for the grammar lesson ;)
2023-04-20 13:18:24	heythere221	Namarrgon: How do I get a larger ram disk? And is this the only way to increase the 'live envoronment space'?
2023-04-20 13:21:35	heythere221	Namarrgon: Ideally I'd like to increase the ram disk and also utilize the whole space of the life boot medium.
2023-04-20 13:23:19	Namarrgon	i'd tell you if i knew where the hook documentation went
2023-04-20 13:29:10	heythere221	Namarrgon: I found that on the wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/archiso section 6.4. This won't increase my ramdisk but I guess it will increase the space that is being used on the USB?
2023-04-20 13:29:11	phrik	Title: Archiso - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-04-20 13:30:05	Namarrgon	that changes the size of the ramdisk but isn't permanent
2023-04-20 13:30:53	Namarrgon	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/mkinitcpio/mkinitcpio-archiso/blob/master/docs/README.bootparams#L56
2023-04-20 13:30:55	phrik	Title: docs/README.bootparams · master · Arch Linux / Mkinitcpio / mkinitcpio-archiso · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-04-20 13:31:11	Namarrgon	either hack the hook and change the default size there or add the kernel parameter to the bootloader config
2023-04-20 13:33:02	heythere221	Namarrgon: Great thanks!
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2023-04-20 13:53:20	heythere221	susi: passed cow_spacesize=2G as a kernel parameter to increase the size of the life environment
2023-04-20 14:01:50	foresle	Йой
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2023-04-20 15:10:49	pingu0b	hi
2023-04-20 15:11:21	pingu0b	i need some help in choosing a de for arch
2023-04-20 15:15:21	ponies	easy, kde 
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2023-04-20 16:43:47	vevais	dito
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2023-04-20 17:14:51	nocturne777	I have not upgraded my old Arch system since  4/2016. Should I even bother at this point? I am assuming it will probably break and be difficult to fix.
2023-04-20 17:18:33	grawity	a lot of things will probably break, unless you upgrade step-by-step via ALA (going like 3-4 months forward at a time)
2023-04-20 17:26:31	uniqNuuid	nocturne777: amazing. how could one use arch like this
2023-04-20 17:28:39	nocturne777	uniqNuuid: I have not been using the machine for years.
2023-04-20 17:29:43	uniqNuuid	it is a good time to test archlinux's reliability
2023-04-20 17:29:49	uniqNuuid	just pacman -Syyuu
2023-04-20 17:30:08	uniqNuuid	and pacdiff too. 
2023-04-20 17:30:25	lf94	Is there a reason why systemd-networkd wouldnt use my usb ethernet automatically
2023-04-20 17:30:32	lf94	the device is showing up as "enp0s20u1c2"
2023-04-20 17:31:05	uniqNuuid	and what is Name=?
2023-04-20 17:31:21	astralc	lf94: did you set a default ethernet dhcp .network?
2023-04-20 17:31:56	uniqNuuid	lf94: cat /etc/systemd/network/*.network
2023-04-20 17:32:01	astralc	there is example in /usr/lib/systemd/network
2023-04-20 17:32:08	lf94	ah
2023-04-20 17:32:38	lf94	ah nope... that's the problem
2023-04-20 17:32:49	astralc	assuming it the dongle have drivers, of course
2023-04-20 17:32:58	astralc	s/it //
2023-04-20 17:33:36	lf94	well it shows up as an ethernet device so
2023-04-20 17:33:40	lf94	i think yes
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2023-04-20 17:58:38	uniqNuuid	somethinglike @them
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2023-04-20 18:21:10	astralc	🥁
2023-04-20 18:21:19	leonic	jelle: here's the bug https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/78268
2023-04-20 18:21:20	phrik	Title: FS#78268 : [jre-openjdk] outdated install script error (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-04-20 18:21:40	leonic	other people commented on it to change priority/severity
2023-04-20 18:22:43	jelle	assigned
2023-04-20 18:24:24	leonic	bedankt :)
2023-04-20 18:28:27	defec7ed	oHey fellas, I am having issues running grub-mkconfig, it takes super long. I have disabled
2023-04-20 18:28:40	defec7ed	-- os-prober but it makes no difference
2023-04-20 18:31:40	astralc	do you know in which part (script) in hangs?
2023-04-20 18:34:29	defec7ed	No, I can't tell. when I use strace it looks like it might be taking awhile scanning disks or something? The generated grub.cfg looks fine but for some reason my mobo doesn't detect it and won't boot... I had to hack my way in with arch-iso again
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2023-04-20 19:14:18	defec7ed	it still took several minutes in the ISO but it was correct at least
2023-04-20 19:20:10	hephaestus14089	notify-send throws error
2023-04-20 19:20:12	hephaestus14089	GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Notifications.MaxNotificationsExceeded: Exceeded maximum number of notifications
2023-04-20 19:20:24	lolok	did you mount the esp to /boot? that means youre stuffing all of grub and the kernel in there. using grub this is not required, and if your esp is nearing full, that may explain the problems
2023-04-20 19:20:42	lolok	defec7ed ^
2023-04-20 19:22:01	Edu4rdSHL	hephaestus14089, the message is clear
2023-04-20 19:22:17	hephaestus14089	how do I resolve this?
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2023-04-20 20:04:16	defec7ed	lolok: i've definitely done that at some point, but not this time. Thanks though sir
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2023-04-20 21:21:19	sangy	oh boys are we going to use wayland on this machine
2023-04-20 21:21:31	sangy	oh boys should we use kde? gnome?
2023-04-20 21:22:15	sangy	oh boys I hadn't pacstrapped on a setup of my own in ~5 years
2023-04-20 21:23:39	astralc	+1 kde on wayland
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2023-04-20 21:49:46	alad	mpan: I'm already storing /dev/random
2023-04-20 21:50:33	mpan	If your RAM acts as a CSPRNG, I suspect you need to adjust your voltages.
2023-04-20 21:51:42	alad	I set them to 3.5V
2023-04-20 22:00:47	lucenera	I installed Plymouth and configured with splash and quiet in the kernel parameters.
2023-04-20 22:01:21	lucenera	Unlike expected boot messages appear before the luks password prompt and when I turn off/restart the laptop.
2023-04-20 22:01:59	lucenera	From what I read with the splash option I have to see the splash screen and not the boot messages.
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2023-04-20 22:37:58	lakiluki	hey, I'm trying to build simple-pt (https://github.com/andikleen/simple-pt), but I'm having issues with building it with libdwarf. Does anyone happen to know if the libdwarf package is the only one that provides libdwarf, and if there's any other version of libdwarf supported by other distros?
2023-04-20 22:41:40	lakiluki	ah yes, it seems like it's using an older version of libdwarf
2023-04-20 22:47:17	lakiluki	how can I skip pgp signature validation for a single package install?
2023-04-20 22:49:30	another|	You shouldn't. Why do you want to?
2023-04-20 22:50:30	lakiluki	another: I'm trying to downgrade to a two year older version of libdwarf
2023-04-20 22:50:47	lakiluki	using the downgrade helper tool, that is
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2023-04-20 23:49:47	lucenera	Resolved for Plymouth by installing the AUR version.
2023-04-20 23:50:07	lucenera	Now no message on startup or shutdown/restart.
2023-04-20 23:57:42	lucenera	Where can I report package-related bugs? There is also a bug in the yubioath-desktop package, because pacman does not install all the necessary dependencies.
2023-04-20 23:58:52	mpan	lucenera: <https://bugs.archlinux.org/> in general, but it’s better to use the specific “Report a bug” link on the package’s page (it will select the right project).
2023-04-20 23:58:53	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Bugtracker:: Arch Linux: Tasklist (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-04-20 23:59:29	mpan	“Add New Bug”, sorry.
2023-04-21 00:01:30	polarian	I was speaking about http, and its apparent vulnerabilities (primarily how its unencrypted), but then the topic of http downloads being modified, but I cant find any citation to support this claim. If I download a package from a arch mirror with http, how could an attacker feasibly modify the download stream to download a malicious package?
2023-04-21 00:01:59	mpan	polarian: they can’t, because packages are signed.
2023-04-21 00:02:08	J_Darnley	I'm following some of the steps at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/File_recovery for using ext4magic but I have encountered an error: /dev/mapper/DanaVG-DanaHome Error 2133571475 while reading inode bitmap
2023-04-21 00:02:09	phrik	Title: File recovery - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-04-21 00:02:19	polarian	mpan: ah yes... lets say they werent cryptographically signed
2023-04-21 00:02:21	J_Darnley	Should I take my chances and fsck it?
2023-04-21 00:02:26	polarian	or checksummed
2023-04-21 00:03:02	polarian	now there is no integrity check
2023-04-21 00:03:09	polarian	what would a hacker do?
2023-04-21 00:03:35	J_Darnley	polarian: unauthenticated downloads could be replaced with any data by a MITM
2023-04-21 00:03:46	mpan	polarian: checksuming does not prevent attacks. It makes random error detection easier.
2023-04-21 00:04:05	polarian	J_Darnley: the MITM would need to be done by am intermediary, such as your isp
2023-04-21 00:04:05	mpan	polarian: as for the attack: by changing package’s contents on the fly.
2023-04-21 00:04:20	polarian	unless there is a dns vulnerability 
2023-04-21 00:04:30	polarian	where you connect to a ip which is malicious
2023-04-21 00:05:02	polarian	my point is
2023-04-21 00:05:03	mpan	polarian: no, it can be done on the router. And yes, your ISP is also the threat actor here. Or anybody deploying a rogue DHCP server. Or, or, or…
2023-04-21 00:05:16	J_Darnley	yes but without any sort of auth how do you detect that?  no https, no dnssec, no gpg
2023-04-21 00:05:22	polarian	mpan: ok how about no signjng
2023-04-21 00:05:28	polarian	just the checksum
2023-04-21 00:05:35	polarian	now they can still do it
2023-04-21 00:05:47	polarian	but... its harder... causw they need to fakw the checksum too
2023-04-21 00:06:14	polarian	but still possible? correct?
2023-04-21 00:06:28	mpan	polarian: sure. And checksums are not designed to protect against malicious content. Some may by coincidence protect against it (e.g. SHA2 family), but not by design and use.
2023-04-21 00:06:41	mpan	Also, the attacker has control over the package database, which contains checksums…
2023-04-21 00:06:48	polarian	ok so now anorher question
2023-04-21 00:07:04	polarian	why do people swear by https for downloads then?
2023-04-21 00:07:12	mpan	Privacy
2023-04-21 00:07:19	mpan	Avoiding attacks from captive portals.
2023-04-21 00:07:22	polarian	yeah totally, most mirrors are run by big corpas
2023-04-21 00:07:27	polarian	and you are worried about privacy?
2023-04-21 00:07:29	mpan	Avoiding attacks from ISPs that “know better”.
2023-04-21 00:07:56	mpan	polarian: you wanted the answer. If you want conspiracy theories and this bullshit, there is !politics.
2023-04-21 00:08:09	polarian	!politics
2023-04-21 00:08:09	phrik	Politics?! Get that shit out of here, take it to #security!
2023-04-21 00:08:13	polarian	xD
2023-04-21 00:08:34	J_Darnley	Should I fsck my filesystem to see if ext4magic will work?
2023-04-21 00:08:40	polarian	mpan: nah I was just trying to clarify the point
2023-04-21 00:08:44	polarian	sorry
2023-04-21 00:08:46	polarian	get clarification
2023-04-21 00:08:48	polarian	on the point
2023-04-21 00:09:03	mpan	J_Darnley: you may fsck in read only mode. But doing so with applying fix may cause data to be lost. And nobody here can predict, if that happens.
2023-04-21 00:09:06	polarian	thanks mpan and J_Darnley 
2023-04-21 00:09:27	J_Darnley	how does that work in ro?
2023-04-21 00:09:28	Foxboron	polarian: You are assuming there is no vulnerabilities in pacman
2023-04-21 00:09:46	Foxboron	polarian: https://xn--1xa.duncano.de/pacman-cve-2019-18182-cve-2019-18183
2023-04-21 00:09:47	phrik	Title: Pacman: CVE-2019-18182 & CVE-2019-18183 (at xn--1xa.duncano.de)
2023-04-21 00:09:54	polarian	Foxboron: lets hope not
2023-04-21 00:10:11	Foxboron	polarian: Of course there are bugs, some which may turn out to be a vulnerability
2023-04-21 00:10:38	polarian	Foxboron: your home router from your isp is probably bugged through the rokf
2023-04-21 00:10:40	polarian	roof*
2023-04-21 00:10:44	polarian	its life man!
2023-04-21 00:10:54	mpan	polarian: privacy is an issue with huge number of factors, with each of them being a scale of values. If you want to compress that into a single binary value of 0 or 1, then you will end up nowhere. Certainly not at understanding.
2023-04-21 00:11:59	polarian	mpan: people call me a chatbot or robot, you will need to express it in binary :P
2023-04-21 00:12:23	J_Darnley	You piece of fucking garbage!  You segfaulted!
2023-04-21 00:12:41	lucenera	mpan thanks  
2023-04-21 00:13:34	gehidore	J_Darnley bad disk?
2023-04-21 00:13:40	rcf	polarian: https offers a distinct advantage in terms of offering a better privacy baseline to start from, and also being a very good proxy for security practice in general. 
2023-04-21 00:13:42	J_Darnley	good disk
2023-04-21 00:13:50	J_Darnley	pebkac deletion
2023-04-21 00:13:51	polarian	J_Darnley: if I was a rustacean I would say "switch to rust nerd" but I dislike rustaceans :P
2023-04-21 00:14:04	polarian	rcf: but has overheard
2023-04-21 00:14:06	gehidore	fun times
2023-04-21 00:14:11	polarian	negligable 
2023-04-21 00:14:12	gehidore	shame you don't have any recent backups /s
2023-04-21 00:14:14	polarian	but still
2023-04-21 00:14:19	mpan	J_Darnley: for some filesystems, the `-n` option makes fsck detect errors and report them, but not fix anything.
2023-04-21 00:14:36	polarian	you segfaulted fsck?
2023-04-21 00:14:38	polarian	how?
2023-04-21 00:14:45	J_Darnley	no
2023-04-21 00:14:47	J_Darnley	ext4magic
2023-04-21 00:14:48	rcf	fsck is extremely unreliable 
2023-04-21 00:14:57	rcf	Depending on the filesystem it is advised never to use it 
2023-04-21 00:15:01	polarian	ah ext4magic is shit... segfaulted all the time for me
2023-04-21 00:15:02	gehidore	^^
2023-04-21 00:15:07	polarian	pick something else dude
2023-04-21 00:15:11	mpan	I mean the fs-specific fsck version. 
2023-04-21 00:15:18	gehidore	never used ext4magic fwiw, I was agreeing with rcf
2023-04-21 00:15:59	polarian	J_Darnley: tick tock, the data might be getting overwritten
2023-04-21 00:16:13	J_Darnley	it ain;t cause the disk aint mounted
2023-04-21 00:16:21	polarian	ah shame
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2023-04-21 00:32:53	hahili	s 16 not x
2023-04-21 00:33:09	rcf	As long as the cylinder size turns out to be 16k you're good 
2023-04-21 00:35:58	hahili	https://bpa.st/raw/7JZZ4 idk where cyl is ; ;
2023-04-21 00:37:35	J_Darnley	yep I have garbage names now
2023-04-21 00:37:55	J_Darnley	great because I wanted that tree
2023-04-21 00:39:10	J_Darnley	polarian: may I ask a favor that you think harder about what tool you did use?
2023-04-21 00:39:41	rcf	hahili: ah, for modern fdisk you need to specify -c=dos -u=cylinder on the command line... 
2023-04-21 00:40:56	rcf	I'll assume this is actually necessary to play along with weird BIOS code 
2023-04-21 00:43:46	hahili	thanks
2023-04-21 00:47:16	hahili	https://bpa.st/raw/7MQFO
2023-04-21 00:47:23	hahili	just s, for the record
2023-04-21 01:04:12	J_Darnley	Can I get more space for the install medium file system overlay?
2023-04-21 01:04:28	polarian	J_Darnley: what do you mean?
2023-04-21 01:05:07	J_Darnley	I want to install a package to use but there isn;t enough space for pacman to unpack
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2023-04-21 01:28:46	hahili	why does the qemu page say /dev/hdaN
2023-04-21 01:29:10	Scimmia	why not?
2023-04-21 01:29:22	Namarrgon	it's an example
2023-04-21 01:29:27	Scimmia	I mean, I guess it should be sda now, but still
2023-04-21 01:33:57	BrainDamage	replace sh with sh with a trojan/cryptolocker
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2023-04-21 02:05:29	J_Darnley	photorec has recovered 85G of stuff
2023-04-21 02:05:46	J_Darnley	so far
2023-04-21 02:06:00	J_Darnley	I'm sure it wasn't thich much in that directory
2023-04-21 02:06:09	rcf	It is not very selective at all 
2023-04-21 02:06:21	J_Darnley	yeah...
2023-04-21 02:06:28	rcf	It will attempt to recover literally everything, in a filesystem-agnostic way. 
2023-04-21 02:06:31	J_Darnley	probably good on a camera's memory card
2023-04-21 02:06:36	rcf	That was the original use case 
2023-04-21 02:06:52	J_Darnley	but not much use on a filesystem that also has a browser cache
2023-04-21 02:07:08	J_Darnley	that will be uncountable numbers of images
2023-04-21 02:07:09	rcf	On a modern filesystem, well... how many files have you ever had? Because you're getting everything back it can possibly find 
2023-04-21 02:07:34	J_Darnley	The disk was supposed to be nearly full
2023-04-21 02:07:45	J_Darnley	which is why I did a cack-handed delete
2023-04-21 02:07:52	rcf	Well the destination's going to end up that way as well
2023-04-21 02:09:12	J_Darnley	How the fuck is it still going?  the destination disk is now full
2023-04-21 02:09:44	rcf	Fragmented files, most likely 
2023-04-21 02:09:49	Namarrgon	the copy is usually larger than the source because of duplicates and removed files
2023-04-21 02:09:52	J_Darnley	oh now it's finished
2023-04-21 02:10:18	J_Darnley	> Recovery completed.
2023-04-21 02:10:21	J_Darnley	yeah yeah
2023-04-21 02:10:32	J_Darnley	you sure a write didn't fail?
2023-04-21 02:11:40	rcf	Is it actually completely full? 
2023-04-21 02:12:16	J_Darnley	root@archiso /mnt/Sarai/photorec # df .    
2023-04-21 02:12:18	J_Darnley	Filesystem      1K-blocks       Used Available Use% Mounted on
2023-04-21 02:12:20	J_Darnley	/dev/sda4      1649116308 1638895800         0 100% /mnt/Sarai
2023-04-21 02:13:29	rcf	If you're root, you're fine 
2023-04-21 02:17:55	hahili	i have windows xp on sda3, if i do fdisk /dev/md0 that won't write to sda3 and break boot right?
2023-04-21 02:18:32	Namarrgon	did you pass sda3 into the vm?
2023-04-21 02:18:47	Namarrgon	or all of sda?
2023-04-21 02:19:31	rcf	hahili: if you configured it properly, it will not break boot because the MBR will not be passed through. Though if there's a misconfiguration it could cause issues. 
2023-04-21 02:21:29	hahili	pass? i think no
2023-04-21 02:22:01	rcf	There's always some amount of risk here; have backups ready just in case. 
2023-04-21 02:22:35	rcf	(Windows XP probably isn't expecting what you're about to do it, even if the partition is fine) 
2023-04-21 02:22:47	hahili	actually it's sdb3 , i got a new ssd and put the hdd in sata<>usb box
2023-04-21 02:23:24	rcf	Ideally, you'd image the (not that large) XP partition and practice on that first. 
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2023-04-21 02:52:48	epony	it would be hard to do it on your handheld and laptop
2023-04-21 02:59:24	MacGyver	hahili: There's a reason I end my reddit posts to people trying to do what you're doing with "You break it, you get to keep the pieces" ;)
2023-04-21 03:01:19	epony	CHS is not the popular address scheme these last 25 years
2023-04-21 03:03:05	MacGyver	hahili: Also Windows XP is, iirc, rather particular about the HAL it's installed with and swapping it out is a manual process. So I'm somewhat expecting bluescreen boot failures even *if* you manage the linear RAID setup.
2023-04-21 03:03:21	MacGyver	hahili: In that case, you'll need to look up how to change the HAL you're using.
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2023-04-21 05:35:04	hahili	how to attach iso as removable device or floppy in qemu
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2023-04-21 05:51:34	lolok	did you mount everything the same as it is in fstab?
2023-04-21 05:51:50	Hunker	does the stable kernel uninstall or being set aside when installing an other?
2023-04-21 05:51:53	dirtcastle	failed to mount boot after updating my pc
2023-04-21 05:52:06	dirtcastle	 */boot
2023-04-21 05:52:10	Hunker	yes boot in boot
2023-04-21 05:52:35	dirtcastle	I tried upgrading linux.
2023-04-21 05:52:41	lolok	it doesnt normally, you can have more than 1 kernel installed without issue; if the file isnt there try reinstalling that kernel
2023-04-21 05:52:42	mpan	Hunker: what did the output of mkinitcpio say, when you ran `pacman -Syu`?
2023-04-21 05:52:42	Hunker	and it's uefi
2023-04-21 05:53:13	dirtcastle	I mean I ran pacman -S linux. last time it solved the issue
2023-04-21 05:54:02	lolok	probably missing modules, get a usb and chroot, upgrade the system properly
2023-04-21 05:54:40	dirtcastle	I did that exactly lolok 
2023-04-21 05:54:40	dirtcastle	I'll try it again
2023-04-21 05:55:12	lolok	if it persists past[bin] the specific error
2023-04-21 05:55:17	lolok	paste*
2023-04-21 05:56:32	lolok	i think its -Qkk packagename to run all checks for files on the system; thats relevant to both of you, probably
2023-04-21 05:58:19	Hunker	mpan: when i ran it I saw it do the mkinitpcio thing but in the log it only show [2023-04-21T04:55:14+0300] [ALPM] upgraded linux (6.2.10.arch1-1 -> 6.2.11.arch1-1)
2023-04-21 05:58:40	mpan	Hunker: and no errors during the mkinitcpio hook execution?
2023-04-21 05:59:09	Hunker	it is not in the log??
2023-04-21 05:59:22	Hunker	the hardened is [2023-04-21T03:54:50+0300] [ALPM] installed linux-hardened (6.1.24.hardened2-1)
2023-04-21 05:59:28	mpan	I am asking about the time `pacman -Syu` was invoked.
2023-04-21 06:00:19	dirtcastle	lolok: should I run pacman -Qkk. idk which package I should check specifically 
2023-04-21 06:01:14	Hunker	yes I remembered it did it and  that bit took very long time, but it is not in the log, for linux-hardened the whole hook execution is in the log thou and it is a bit strange..
2023-04-21 06:01:47	mpan	How much space do you have on your “/boot” partition? And is “/boot” the EFI partition or are they separate?
2023-04-21 06:02:03	lolok	linux dirtcastle
2023-04-21 06:02:15	lolok	assuming youre using the normal linux package
2023-04-21 06:03:12	lolok	or just reinstall
2023-04-21 06:03:44	lolok	tbh thats what i usually do 99% of the time anyway since its the solution if that throws an error and probably wont hurt if its not
2023-04-21 06:03:49	mpan	`df -h /boot` — what is the output (the data line only, skip the headers).
2023-04-21 06:04:02	Hunker	maybe re install it? can I have them both installed same time? mpan: well efi partition and boot is same and 100Mb free
2023-04-21 06:04:05	lolok	yea
2023-04-21 06:04:08	lolok	and yea
2023-04-21 06:04:33	lolok	i have linux linux-hardened and linux-lts installed right now
2023-04-21 06:04:43	Hunker	ok nice
2023-04-21 06:04:54	lolok	i can  choose in grub
2023-04-21 06:04:58	Hunker	are they all in grub boot menu?
2023-04-21 06:05:02	lolok	yea
2023-04-21 06:05:07	Hunker	yeah right
2023-04-21 06:05:27	dirtcastle	reinstalling is so painful. 
2023-04-21 06:05:30	mpan	100 MB (I assume not Mb) is too small for basic linux with default configuration, much less more kernels. Assuming this is the size of the entire partition.
2023-04-21 06:05:37	mpan	Again, what is the output of the above df command?
2023-04-21 06:05:40	lolok	just the kernel package dirtcastle not the whole system
2023-04-21 06:05:41	Hunker	do you have to add them manually in your custom grub config?
2023-04-21 06:06:04	lolok	no i just use grub-mkconfig
2023-04-21 06:06:32	dirtcastle	what is the kernel package? linux for normal linux?
2023-04-21 06:06:36	lolok	yea
2023-04-21 06:06:54	dirtcastle	I did that multiple times 
2023-04-21 06:07:27	Hunker	mpan:/dev/sdd2       499M  284M  216M  57% /boot
2023-04-21 06:07:45	lolok	failed to mount boot... reinstall grub maybe? also check its not full
2023-04-21 06:07:57	mpan	That disagrees with the mentioned 100 MB reported earlier. Hmm
2023-04-21 06:08:13	mpan	Are you sure, you mounted the right partition as “/boot”?
2023-04-21 06:08:28	Hunker	does grub-mkconfig find the kernes by it self or do I have to add them manually somehow?
2023-04-21 06:08:46	lolok	if theyre properly installed it all just works
2023-04-21 06:09:00	Hunker	mpan: no I meant 100Mb free
2023-04-21 06:09:17	Hunker	215Mb 57% used
2023-04-21 06:09:28	Hunker	~100 free
2023-04-21 06:09:33	dirtcastle	check what full?
2023-04-21 06:09:42	lolok	your /boot
2023-04-21 06:10:10	mpan	499 MB, 284 MB used, clearly.
2023-04-21 06:10:31	Hunker	ok Ill check again
2023-04-21 06:10:48	lolok	doubling is only an order of magnituude in binary lol
2023-04-21 06:10:54	mpan	Which doesn’t match either 215 MB or 215 Mb (27 MB).
2023-04-21 06:10:57	Hunker	yeah 215 free
2023-04-21 06:11:26	mpan	Ok, so not a size issues. And I assume the right partitions is mounted to “/boot”.
2023-04-21 06:11:28	Hunker	well enough for an standard linux image  or?
2023-04-21 06:11:53	mpan	Should be enough for all.
2023-04-21 06:11:56	Hunker	I think so. Should I maybe reinstall it just?
2023-04-21 06:12:01	Hunker	'linux
2023-04-21 06:12:47	lolok	probably; fat32 sucks at data integrity, ya know if you run grub you can have /boot not be the esp and it works 'better'?
2023-04-21 06:12:54	mpan	Thought the size would be the initial issue in this case. The error during `mkinitcpio -P` would indicate a wrong partition is mounted.
2023-04-21 06:16:20	mpan	(and it seems it is neither of these here)
2023-04-21 06:16:36	Hunker	well this archbang has been a bit freezing up on me at times.. I did update it to a new image just.. now it is better than the some years old one I had before
2023-04-21 06:17:14	dirtcastle	lolok: I have given 1gb for /boot
2023-04-21 06:17:36	lolok	few years 🤦 yea that might be a problem lol
2023-04-21 06:18:29	Hunker	yeah but it has been a trusty companion :)
2023-04-21 06:18:50	lolok	what is the specific error you get dirtcastle we are kinda shooting in the dark here
2023-04-21 06:20:03	dirtcastle	it justs that only. Falied to mount/boot. you are in emergency mode
2023-04-21 06:20:53	lolok	grub emergency mode or systemd emergency mode?
2023-04-21 06:21:19	dirtcastle	I think it's systemd emergency mode
2023-04-21 06:21:34	Hunker	Ok thank you guys. Ill try and reboot now. Best of all to you
2023-04-21 06:21:34	dirtcastle	It asks me to login as root and do maintenance 
2023-04-21 06:22:09	lolok	are you sure your fstab is correct? maybe double check it, i like to use partition lables as it makes this much cleaner imo
2023-04-21 06:22:32	lolok	gl/hf Hunker 
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2023-04-21 06:40:08	dirtcastle	I cannot connect to internet even through ethernet 
2023-04-21 06:40:16	dirtcastle	I can't paste anything
2023-04-21 06:40:43	grawity	then at least scroll and read through it
2023-04-21 06:41:31	dirtcastle	stale data bug present and smt on, data leak possible. 
2023-04-21 06:42:12	grawity	if something fails to mount, scroll to the place where mounting it is done, and look at the surrounding lines
2023-04-21 06:42:33	dirtcastle	boot.mount failed with result exit.code
2023-04-21 06:42:48	dirtcastle	dependency failed for local file system 
2023-04-21 06:43:19	lolok	most people take a picture of their monitor with their phone at this point, but the much better solution is to cut the relevant part out and mount somewhere manually to save it; reboot into a iso and remount and recover that file and upload it to a pastebin from there
2023-04-21 06:43:21	grawity	ok, so what happens if you run `mount /boot` manually?
2023-04-21 06:43:34	lolok	but yea ^
2023-04-21 06:43:43	grawity	or, does the journal maybe report the output a few lines above?
2023-04-21 06:43:53	grawity	does it say "unknown filesystem"
2023-04-21 06:44:05	dirtcastle	unknown filesystem vfat
2023-04-21 06:44:11	dirtcastle	yup
2023-04-21 06:44:46	grawity	right so the usual steps, compare versions between `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux`
2023-04-21 06:45:00	grawity	do you have anything fancy in your boot process? signed kernels, etc.
2023-04-21 06:45:09	dirtcastle	nope 
2023-04-21 06:45:25	grawity	if not, then it's probably that /boot already wasn't mounted *during the upgrade*
2023-04-21 06:45:48	grawity	either that, or mkinitcpio.hook failed to copy the kernel into /boot
2023-04-21 06:45:49	dirtcastle	my laptop is hacked 
2023-04-21 06:45:55	grawity	like, with an axe?
2023-04-21 06:46:04	lolok	lmfao
2023-04-21 06:46:12	dirtcastle	a spyware runs and screencasts my screen to the hacker 
2023-04-21 06:46:23	dirtcastle	I know who hacked. I know what data they have
2023-04-21 06:46:30	grawity	can it screencast your screen to #archlinux so that we can see what sort of bullshit is in your /boot
2023-04-21 06:46:36	grawity	that would be handy
2023-04-21 06:46:55	dirtcastle	I can use internet when I'm chrooting. 
2023-04-21 06:47:03	grawity	or, let me call the person who hacked you, in case they can share a backup of your /
2023-04-21 06:47:03	lolok	this just became top 10 best convo ive been a part of on irc
2023-04-21 06:47:17	lolok	what a 180
2023-04-21 06:47:28	dirtcastle	maybe if you tell me a ffmpeg command to screencast I can do it
2023-04-21 06:48:05	grawity	ffmpeg space root slash period workspace slash period garbage period
2023-04-21 06:48:43	dirtcastle	I just let the spyware sit coz the guy who hacked told he hacked the boot loader. he can watch my screen even if I boot from a usb iso
2023-04-21 06:49:04	dirtcastle	he said uninstalling my os and reinstalling won't fix the spyware
2023-04-21 06:49:11	dirtcastle	so I just let it sit 
2023-04-21 06:49:14	grawity	1) doesn't even work that way, 2) tell the guy to provide the necessary tech support for the boot loader
2023-04-21 06:49:23	lolok	or get a new motherboard
2023-04-21 06:49:35	grawity	he "hacked" it, he fixes it, no longer our problem
2023-04-21 06:49:46	grawity	really though, it doesn't work that way
2023-04-21 06:49:49	dirtcastle	I don't have the evidence that he hacked. 
2023-04-21 06:49:54	dirtcastle	he just gives me signals. 
2023-04-21 06:50:21	dirtcastle	anyways I've been using my pc this way for months. lasttime pacman -S linux fixed this same issue
2023-04-21 06:50:41	grawity	in most cases it fixes the issue *if* /boot is mounted at the time of fixing
2023-04-21 06:51:11	grawity	though sometimes it's the opposite, depending on the type of bootloader screwup
2023-04-21 06:51:23	lolok	firmware hacks are a thing; the solution is clean hardware, if you are actually hacked and not on crack
2023-04-21 06:51:45	lolok	buy a laptop from a linux friendly vendor
2023-04-21 06:51:48	grawity	i.e. sometimes the bootloader looks in the /boot partition but the kernel gets installed outside, and sometimes it's the other way around
2023-04-21 06:52:07	grawity	do you have a liveusb to boot from
2023-04-21 06:52:12	dirtcastle	he can screencast online when xorg is on
2023-04-21 06:52:19	NetSysFire	they said in a chroot it works so i guess so
2023-04-21 06:52:37	dirtcastle	I wonder if he can still watch me if I use a Wayland 
2023-04-21 06:52:56	lolok	i would get a packet sniffer and find out
2023-04-21 06:53:03	NetSysFire	just use temple os and you will be perfectly safe
2023-04-21 06:53:07	lolok	^^^
2023-04-21 06:53:11	dirtcastle	I have a liveusb to boot from. 
2023-04-21 06:53:37	grawity	then boot from it, mount your rootfs at /mnt1 and your "/boot" partition at /mnt2, and compare what you have in /mnt1/boot versus /mnt2
2023-04-21 06:53:59	grawity	i.e. whether `file` says /mnt1/boot/vmlinuz-linux is older, or newer, than /mnt2/vmlinuz-linux
2023-04-21 06:54:09	dirtcastle	also my phone is hacked and he would be watching all this rn
2023-04-21 06:54:20	lolok	templeos is the real answer
2023-04-21 06:54:21	grawity	tell him to put it up on discord for us
2023-04-21 06:54:35	lolok	the final solution to your pc question
2023-04-21 06:54:59	NetSysFire	the final solution to your (or any) pc question is to turn it off and toss it into a volcano
2023-04-21 06:55:10	dirtcastle	He is a friend 
2023-04-21 06:55:17	dirtcastle	he is not malicious 
2023-04-21 06:55:24	dirtcastle	he just watches me. 
2023-04-21 06:55:36	grawity	riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
2023-04-21 06:55:36	dirtcastle	he doesn't steal me money or anything 
2023-04-21 06:55:48	⚡ 	NetSysFire whispers "volcano"
2023-04-21 06:56:00	dirtcastle	wierd kink but ppl like this exists
2023-04-21 06:56:05	NetSysFire	seriously though, dont do #archlinux while sky high
2023-04-21 06:56:35	dirtcastle	my mom will yeet me into the same volcano
2023-04-21 06:56:36	lolok	if a vlocano is too far you can just use your oven assuming you dont mind the taste of magis smoke in your next few meals
2023-04-21 06:56:43	lolok	magic*
2023-04-21 06:58:05	lolok	ltt did it
2023-04-21 06:58:06	lolok	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK7RZjAC-qE&pp=ygUMbHR0IGdwdSBvdmVu
2023-04-21 06:58:07	phrik	Title: Video Card Repair Oven Baking Technique to Repair Solder Guide Linus Tech Tips - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
2023-04-21 06:58:17	NetSysFire	some rando in my hackerspace did that, too
2023-04-21 06:58:27	dirtcastle	ltt is rich af
2023-04-21 06:58:30	lolok	oh theyre doing more trackking in youtube nice
2023-04-21 06:58:40	dirtcastle	elliot did it
2023-04-21 06:58:44	lolok	not 12 years ago when this one was made lol
2023-04-21 06:58:50	NetSysFire	lolok: only in playlists afaik
2023-04-21 06:59:02	lolok	was a regular search
2023-04-21 06:59:02	NetSysFire	or now in the search results, too?
2023-04-21 06:59:05	NetSysFire	huh
2023-04-21 07:02:43	lolok	didnt stay in the address bar on the video but i copied the link from the search page and got that
2023-04-21 07:03:02	dirtcastle	basically. my exgf asked him to hack me. so if I'm angry in going to be angry on my exgf for hacking. 
2023-04-21 07:03:28	dirtcastle	I broke up with her coz she is a PITA
2023-04-21 07:04:12	lolok	dude i gotta be honest you sound like my sisters ex bf who called the cops on me because my first name came up on his wifi 2 years after i forgot he even existed
2023-04-21 07:04:33	lolok	get a packet sniffer and know for sure or put down the crack pipe
2023-04-21 07:07:22	NetSysFire	yeah i am calling bullshit on this, too. you sound too high and incoherent
2023-04-21 07:07:38	dirtcastle	to me this is a psychological game. she wants me to be in the relationship even after she hacked. I asked her to stop. now I broke up with her. she still wants me. all I have to do is wait for her to stop loving me. and then she won't have any motivation to hack me. it's a waiting game. and anyways I'll get new stuff asap once I get a job
2023-04-21 07:07:53	NetSysFire	sir, this is #archlinux
2023-04-21 07:08:48	NetSysFire	may i offer you a kitten? https://0x0.st/oHHJ.jpg
2023-04-21 07:10:03	Betal_	who need to watch series when you have #archlinux
2023-04-21 07:10:04	dirtcastle	I have to do what grawitty told me to do and fix my laptop 
2023-04-21 07:10:20	NetSysFire	then get on it
2023-04-21 07:10:21	⚡ 	grawity is not a teletypewriter.
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2023-04-21 07:44:30	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1441 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1440 normals)
2023-04-21 07:28:02	Edu4rdSHL	Pipewire works damn well right now tbh
2023-04-21 07:28:11	lolok	theres a difference in using the pipewire libs and installing and using the pipewire server
2023-04-21 07:28:36	lolok	i have some pipewire things installed but pipewire itself is not running
2023-04-21 07:28:37	hestia	Edu4rdSHL: my daw hates it
2023-04-21 07:29:15	Edu4rdSHL	!give hestia shrug
2023-04-21 07:29:16	phrik	hestia: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2023-04-21 07:29:53	lolok	journalctl output wihtout -b is usually useless
2023-04-21 07:29:54	dirtcastle	0x0.st/HB5E.txt grawity 
2023-04-21 07:30:09	dirtcastle	sorry
2023-04-21 07:30:11	dirtcastle	wrong one
2023-04-21 07:30:17	dirtcastle	0x0.st/H85E.txt
2023-04-21 07:30:29	Edu4rdSHL	lolok, no really, it depends on what you want :)
2023-04-21 07:30:33	hestia	!give phrik smirk
2023-04-21 07:30:33	phrik	phrik: Eh?
2023-04-21 07:30:55	Edu4rdSHL	The output is useful in the same way for every record, it's just a matter of what you need
2023-04-21 07:30:59	dirtcastle	journalctl -b says no entries when I do it from chroot
2023-04-21 07:30:59	grawity	dirtcastle: yeah that kernel command line says that your kernel is booting from rootfs
2023-04-21 07:31:07	NetSysFire	i am using parsec and i have to explicitely make sure that pipewire is not running or audio wont work
2023-04-21 07:31:16	NetSysFire	its weird but nothing i can do about it
2023-04-21 07:31:23	grawity	dirtcastle: so if you *had* a /boot partition, it's not being used by the bootloader like it should (i.e. the "opposite" problem)
2023-04-21 07:31:36	grawity	NetSysFire: it is indeed weird
2023-04-21 07:31:59	NetSysFire	it also requires alsa profiles
2023-04-21 07:32:11	dirtcastle	what should I do now?
2023-04-21 07:32:12	NetSysFire	i thinl pw running blocks direct access to alsa which is what it needs
2023-04-21 07:32:24	grawity	ah so it would be the same with pulseaudio?
2023-04-21 07:32:26	Edu4rdSHL	dirtcastle, journalctl --directory=
2023-04-21 07:32:30	lolok	my point was less to use -b specifically and more to say that yea just reading it from the top is not gonna be readable
2023-04-21 07:32:45	grawity	dirtcastle: chroot and pacman -S linux
2023-04-21 07:33:00	dirtcastle	I've did that several times
2023-04-21 07:33:09	grawity	was /boot mounted during that time
2023-04-21 07:33:18	grawity	inside the chroot that is
2023-04-21 07:33:23	dirtcastle	yes
2023-04-21 07:33:34	Edu4rdSHL	How do you checked?
2023-04-21 07:33:35	dirtcastle	I'm doing that right now again
2023-04-21 07:33:41	grawity	then do it again *without* /boot being mounted
2023-04-21 07:33:47	dirtcastle	lol
2023-04-21 07:33:49	dirtcastle	ok
2023-04-21 07:33:55	grawity	because your bootloader apparently isn't looking for the kernel there
2023-04-21 07:34:19	grawity	if it did, the logs would say "BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-linux" instead of "BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-linux"
2023-04-21 07:35:02	NetSysFire	grawity: no. i have pulseaudio running. i had a conversation on discord about just that with the devs and they kept insisting i have misconfigured alsa or pulseaudio. there was some config file i could have removed from /etc but simply making sure pipewires user units are disabled works, too
2023-04-21 07:35:29	dirtcastle	ok. I did pacman -S linux without /boot partition. I'm rebooting 
2023-04-21 07:35:35	NetSysFire	i *think* it was 99-pulseaudio-default.conf but it doesnt matter now
2023-04-21 07:35:36	Edu4rdSHL	NetSysFire, why not just replace pulseaudio with pipewire-pulse? 
2023-04-21 07:35:42	NetSysFire	because i dont want to
2023-04-21 07:35:47	dirtcastle	grawity: it worked. 
2023-04-21 07:35:49	dirtcastle	amazing 
2023-04-21 07:35:54	NetSysFire	Edu4rdSHL: pulseaudio works literally perfectly fine
2023-04-21 07:35:59	dirtcastle	thanks for your time peeps. 
2023-04-21 07:36:00	grawity	dirtcastle: ok, now remove /boot from your fstab
2023-04-21 07:36:03	Edu4rdSHL	As well as pipewire :p
2023-04-21 07:36:11	dirtcastle	hope you enjoyed my rambling. 
2023-04-21 07:36:13	grawity	dirtcastle: since it is not being used anyway
2023-04-21 07:36:20	NetSysFire	Edu4rdSHL: not worth any effort
2023-04-21 07:36:33	dirtcastle	grawity: I did that once and usb touchpad stopped working
2023-04-21 07:36:38	grawity	NetSysFire: weird how parsec has no problems with pulseaudio doing literally the same thing as pipewire re /dev/snd exclusive access
2023-04-21 07:36:39	Edu4rdSHL	You're already doing efforts to keep things disabled 
2023-04-21 07:36:48	grawity	dirtcastle: same kind of issue though
2023-04-21 07:37:01	NetSysFire	Edu4rdSHL: no i literally only did systemctl disable --user pipewire pipewire.socket
2023-04-21 07:37:08	Edu4rdSHL	That's a effort :p
2023-04-21 07:37:14	NetSysFire	which is done
2023-04-21 07:37:28	dirtcastle	grawity: are u sure I want to remove /boot from fstab?
2023-04-21 07:37:34	NetSysFire	grawity: i dont have the exact error messages anymore but i *think* it was about the device being busy or so
2023-04-21 07:37:34	dirtcastle	I'll do it if you say so
2023-04-21 07:37:56	grawity	dirtcastle: it certainly seems to be unused
2023-04-21 07:37:58	grawity	comment it out first
2023-04-21 07:38:03	grawity	test rebooting a few times
2023-04-21 07:38:40	grawity	NetSysFire: hmm it would be the same if PA held those devices though
2023-04-21 07:38:59	grawity	NetSysFire: unless it deliberately runs `pasuspender` to get PA to release them... but doesn't know how to do the same with pipeiwre
2023-04-21 07:39:01	NetSysFire	i got the error messages, snd_pcm_dmix_open: unable to open slave
2023-04-21 07:39:16	NetSysFire	it is ALSA only
2023-04-21 07:39:42	NetSysFire	i think the parsec devs simply dont want to use anything else because they know theres like what, a dozen sound servers
2023-04-21 07:39:48	grawity	most "ALSA only" programs are happy to use the ALSA "passthrough via pulse" / "passthrough via pipewire" modules
2023-04-21 07:39:51	⚡ 	lolok still waiting for a good solution to get a program that wants to mmap /dev/dsp working properly in alsa 20 years later
2023-04-21 07:40:30	NetSysFire	i have absolutely no idea why or how it does that but literally any other application worked fine, just not parsec
2023-04-21 07:40:57	grawity	I thought the point of this was to figure out why or how
2023-04-21 07:41:27	NetSysFire	parsec is closed source (except for libmatoya), its gonna be hard finding out
2023-04-21 07:42:16	NetSysFire	i know i had to install alsa-card-profiles, too just for this one application
2023-04-21 07:42:20	dirtcastle	grawity: everything works normally 
2023-04-21 07:42:27	dirtcastle	I commented boot
2023-04-21 07:42:46	dirtcastle	thanks for your time!!
2023-04-21 07:43:06	lolok	!next
2023-04-21 07:43:06	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2023-04-21 08:02:53	Edu4rdSHL	XFCE <3
2023-04-21 08:04:34	lolok	xfce seems decent too ime but i would only use it in the same cases that i use mate and im much more familiar with that
2023-04-21 08:04:58	lolok	need a wfce
2023-04-21 08:05:15	Edu4rdSHL	They're working on wayland support tho
2023-04-21 08:05:21	lolok	sweet
2023-04-21 08:05:43	lolok	cinnamon silent on the issue so far and i doubt mate is looking to move anywhere
2023-04-21 08:08:14	lolok	well i guess theres some forums poses but nothing seemingly serious
2023-04-21 08:08:18	lolok	posts*
2023-04-21 08:08:50	Edu4rdSHL	https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap they have been doing great advances 
2023-04-21 08:08:51	phrik	Title: releng:wayland_roadmap [Xfce Wiki] (at wiki.xfce.org)
2023-04-21 08:14:53	lolok	defiantly gonna try it when they do a major release, probably find a minor bug, and go back to xorg for another decade
2023-04-21 08:20:45	grawity	I've been playing with wayland over the network
2023-04-21 08:20:59	grawity	waypipe works really well, even compared to X11-via-SSH
2023-04-21 08:26:14	madprops	NetSysFire, sorry if you linked me, i d/c
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2023-04-21 08:50:54	rcf	Well, in theory. In practice I am typing this using fake wayland input protocols. 
2023-04-21 08:51:15	grawity	yes but the WM/compositor needs to specifically permit that now
2023-04-21 08:51:33	grawity	(unless you do it via uinput in which case root has already given you rights to go wild)
2023-04-21 08:51:55	grawity	while in x11 it's just always on by default
2023-04-21 08:57:36	lolok	i might not have the specifics right but id rather not have any server have any control over any client anyway... but once i got filezilla setup, i cant imagine what i would run in x over ssh anyway...
2023-04-21 08:59:50	grawity	tbh the ssh -X mode was supposed to fix that already
2023-04-21 08:59:56	grawity	as opposed to -Y
2023-04-21 09:00:10	grawity	it uses the xsecurity extension to prevent *most* access by remote clients to local windows
2023-04-21 09:00:18	rcf	That's the OpenSSH default. 
2023-04-21 09:00:21	grawity	except in debian lol
2023-04-21 09:00:29	rcf	Too many distributions switch that off because it's easy 
2023-04-21 09:01:11	lolok	ill trust it on when i have persistent physical access to both machines and i installed the os myself
2023-04-21 09:02:21	lolok	but i would never eg rent a vps and do this
2023-04-21 09:04:16	grawity	you trust ssh though, how do you know e.g. VNC or waypipe is any different
2023-04-21 09:05:03	rcf	waypipe has the advantage that's not establishing a separate channel with archaic protocol parsing and faking within sshd in order to work its magic. 
2023-04-21 09:06:01	lolok	the x11 protocol was designed when security meant something different
2023-04-21 09:06:39	lolok	idk enuf about vnc to comment on that
2023-04-21 09:08:47	rcf	Wayland protocol security is... well let's just say it's not great. It seems fine in theory, but how to secure protocol extensions is entirely unspecificed, so, for example, using sway, you have no fake input protection. On KDE it's based on a fundamentally-flawed use of /proc to match process names to PIDs. 
2023-04-21 09:09:28	rcf	GNOME has it right, but they're not using wayland, they've come up with libei which may use the far better portal approach. 
2023-04-21 09:09:35	lolok	idk i just have never had a server with a use case that truly required graphics and if im able to find another way than may as well save some power i guess
2023-04-21 09:10:33	epony	pango has defects and it can't render raster fonts
2023-04-21 09:10:40	rcf	Yes it can. 
2023-04-21 09:10:55	lolok	like getting into the office to do CAD work form your laptop maybe? thats the only thing i can think of, and i dont do that
2023-04-21 09:11:13	grawity	yeah many people do though
2023-04-21 09:11:23	rcf	lolok: the truth is the remote computing is already established via the web. 
2023-04-21 09:11:23	grawity	whether it's home->work or work->home or laptop->beefy desktop
2023-04-21 09:11:50	grawity	or basically "tmux/screen but for GUI"
2023-04-21 09:11:52	lolok	true its just not something ive ever had to consider the security implications about
2023-04-21 09:12:05	rcf	That's why it seems to be winning out over native toolkits and the like. 
2023-04-21 09:12:08	lolok	regular tmux is working great
2023-04-21 09:12:39	epony	rcf, don't argue in vain  https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gnome+drops+raster+fonts
2023-04-21 09:12:53	rcf	epony: I am usin them right now, stop spreading blatant misinformation. 
2023-04-21 09:13:05	rcf	You can pry my bitmap fonts from my cold, dead, hands. 
2023-04-21 09:13:11	lolok	yea CAD as a webapp i can see it
2023-04-21 09:13:30	lolok	if its not done yet probably make a pretty penny to jump on it
2023-04-21 09:14:02	grawity	didn't Autodesk have that
2023-04-21 09:14:03	rcf	lolok: you should consider the security implications even of something like tmux, or any terminal emulator. They're complicated state machines that are very poorly documented. 
2023-04-21 09:14:09	NetSysFire	since we talked about parsec earlier, i am using it to connect to my best friends beefy rig to play games when he is not using it
2023-04-21 09:14:28	NetSysFire	that works fairly well actually
2023-04-21 09:14:55	lolok	to be fair rcf i dont run tmux as root, but i do run sudo in tmux, somehow i feel like thats less dangerous
2023-04-21 09:17:17	epony	rcf, multiplexor and emulator are not the same thing
2023-04-21 09:17:18	rcf	lolok: you're probably fine, in reality. The dark days of escape sequences to execute arbitrary commands are (mostly) behind us. 
2023-04-21 09:17:23	rcf	epony: they are in the case of tmux. 
2023-04-21 09:17:40	epony	that's not true
2023-04-21 09:17:50	lolok	tmux is both
2023-04-21 09:17:59	epony	really?
2023-04-21 09:18:06	lolok	weather that makes it the smae is pedantic
2023-04-21 09:18:08	epony	it's not
2023-04-21 09:18:14	lolok	same*
2023-04-21 09:18:28	NetSysFire	i suggest to know what you are arguing about before claiming that other people are wrong
2023-04-21 09:18:37	epony	that applies to rcf
2023-04-21 09:19:16	NetSysFire	rcf: doesnt both require a somewhat "local" attacker? so requires either of the devices to be compromised
2023-04-21 09:19:27	lolok	all i know for sure is tmux > screen
2023-04-21 09:19:34	NetSysFire	and if that is the case you will have worse problems than an attacker trying to gain privs via tmux
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2023-04-21 09:20:37	rcf	NetSysFire: this is in the context of ssh
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2023-04-21 09:39:29	uniqNuuid	wikipedia is manipulated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Wikipedia
2023-04-21 09:39:31	phrik	Title: Criticism of Wikipedia - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2023-04-21 09:40:12	epony	the point is, terminal emulator and terminal multiplexor are not the same thing and claiming security risks in tmux requires explanation
2023-04-21 09:40:29	epony	but also some understanding
2023-04-21 09:41:13	lolok	ok i aggree with all of that
2023-04-21 09:41:26	lolok	now say tmux is both an emulator and a multiplexer
2023-04-21 09:41:41	epony	;-) that's your role
2023-04-21 09:41:56	lolok	failyoure
2023-04-21 09:42:42	epony	^ people can learn / talk better than that
2023-04-21 09:42:52	lolok	you are fail
2023-04-21 09:43:14	epony	lolok, still talking bs
2023-04-21 09:43:25	lolok	cheers
2023-04-21 09:44:04	epony	rcf, what were you saing about gnome's bitmap font support?
2023-04-21 09:46:59	rcf	epony: they support fonts in opentype bitmap format. With a bit of work fonttosfnt got a new release and I don't need to violently despise gtk applications anymore, at least for that reason. 
2023-04-21 09:48:00	epony	passable, but can't use fixed (misc) font as is.. though
2023-04-21 09:48:46	epony	so people have to stick to older gtk variants pre-that break
2023-04-21 09:48:58	rcf	It converts fairly well, in my use. 
2023-04-21 09:49:51	rcf	The only issue is on platforms with a different approach to packaging; OpenBSD comes to mind, where X is not packaged at all, but a core component of the system. 
2023-04-21 09:50:03	rcf	But there I don't want to install gtk crap in the first place, so it's no big loss. 
2023-04-21 09:50:40	epony	people like this font a lot for the wide coverage of characters and clean drawn glyphs  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_(typeface)?useskin=vector
2023-04-21 09:50:40	phrik	Title: Fixed (typeface) - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2023-04-21 09:50:56	rcf	Indeed, and I have it in OTB format. 
2023-04-21 09:51:17	rcf	It is my fallback bitmap font for its coverage. 
2023-04-21 09:52:23	rcf	To be clear, OTB was originally an X project going back a decade, or possibly two, so adopting the format doesn't impact traditional X users. 
2023-04-21 09:53:27	uniqNuuid	tmux is not an emulator
2023-04-21 09:53:38	uniqNuuid	alacritty is 
2023-04-21 09:53:47	epony	we kind of finished that part ;-)
2023-04-21 09:54:16	uniqNuuid	but they both have $TERM
2023-04-21 09:54:28	rcf	uniqNuuid: it is. It just has a different sort of output. It becomes more clear when you try to use an alacritty-specific escape sequence. 
2023-04-21 09:54:30	rcf	It won't work. 
2023-04-21 09:54:40	J_Darnley	I went off to debug ext4magic and what do you know.... it runs without crashing under valgrind
2023-04-21 09:56:40	epony	uniqNuuid, check this out  https://invisible-island.net/vttest/vttest.html
2023-04-21 09:56:41	phrik	Title: VTTEST – VT100/VT220/XTerm test utility (at invisible-island.net)
2023-04-21 09:58:09	rcf	uniqNuuid: see also why its approach to color has been so annoying over the years. mosh is perhaps a more straightforward example of a terminal emulator within the terminal, for a different purpose, without the multiplexing, but with networking. The key is that they're all emulators. If you want a horrifying example, look at the Windows PTY subsystem, where every PTY is running through what is
2023-04-21 09:58:10	rcf	supposed to be round-trip xterm emulation.... 
2023-04-21 09:58:39	engys	hi everyone, since last samba update pacman drops errors and will not update any packages anymore
2023-04-21 10:00:09	dagle	Use a pastebin and post the errors.
2023-04-21 10:00:20	astralc	!give engys errors
2023-04-21 10:00:20	J_Darnley	oh wait it just takes a bit longer to happen
2023-04-21 10:00:20	phrik	engys: Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2023-04-21 10:02:53	engys	astralc: error occured, no packages were upgraded
2023-04-21 10:04:47	gromit	engys: post the full error pls 
2023-04-21 10:05:05	lolok	!paste
2023-04-21 10:05:05	uniqNuuid	!paste
2023-04-21 10:05:06	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-04-21 10:05:07	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-04-21 10:08:12	J_Darnley	oh naturally!  it tries to free a variable on the stack
2023-04-21 10:08:24	J_Darnley	who said "use rust" last night?
2023-04-21 10:08:54	raster	can't use rust anymore. it's ™'d
2023-04-21 10:09:09	engys	gromit: http://ix.io/4tUF
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2023-04-21 10:31:00	kolcon	reminds me to check the configuration of my sysrqd daemon for remote reboots
2023-04-21 10:31:13	engys	lolok: even with "pacman -S --overwrite glob samba" it will end up in the same error message
2023-04-21 10:31:55	susi	engys: pacman -S samba --overwrite '*'
2023-04-21 10:31:58	lolok	did you litterally include the text 'glob' and not '*'???
2023-04-21 10:32:26	susi	be sure to put ''s around the *
2023-04-21 10:33:20	engys	susi, lolok nice that worked
2023-04-21 10:33:28	lolok	cheers
2023-04-21 10:36:21	engys	lolok, susi, gromit: thank you 1000 times
2023-04-21 10:36:39	engys	now the system is back on normal upgrading
2023-04-21 10:37:05	lolok	enjoy
2023-04-21 10:37:16	engys	thanks
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2023-04-21 11:46:47	kode54	where do I file feature requests for existing packages?
2023-04-21 11:46:58	kode54	bug tracker?
2023-04-21 11:47:03	Foxboron	kode54: yes
2023-04-21 11:49:41	VioletJewel	oh. nice. makepkg -sie worked. I wonder if --mflags -e would work with paru. welp, solved my own problem.
2023-04-21 11:49:48	VioletJewel	VioletJewel, thanks!
2023-04-21 11:49:56	VioletJewel	you're welcome!
2023-04-21 11:53:31	kode54	feature request filed: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/78275
2023-04-21 11:53:32	phrik	Title: FS#78275 : [mesa] Enable intel-clc for ANV ray tracing support (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2023-04-21 12:45:32	andreas303	!paste
2023-04-21 12:45:32	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-04-21 12:45:50	andreas303	!ix
2023-04-21 12:45:51	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2023-04-21 12:45:53	andreas303	!rs
2023-04-21 12:45:54	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
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2023-04-21 13:37:49	andreas303	koffeinfriedhof: https://bpa.st/4AGZM
2023-04-21 13:37:51	phrik	Title: View paste 4AGZM (at bpa.st)
2023-04-21 13:38:34	andreas303	koffeinfriedhof: The messages suggest me to do "pacman-key --init". Should I do "pacman-key --init" before or after "pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring"?
2023-04-21 13:39:10	andreas303	koffeinfriedhof: The iso image I use is archlinux-2023.04.01-x86_64.iso, so not an old one.
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2023-04-21 13:58:23	Namarrgon	was /etc/pacman.d/gnupg populated when you checked the state the first time?
2023-04-21 13:58:57	Namarrgon	qemu can expose some funny bugs due to its fast boot times
2023-04-21 13:59:25	andreas303	Namarrgon: However, after pacman-init.service enters the "active (exited)" state, I tried to do "pacman -S --noconfirm emacs-nox", which still gives "warning: database file for 'core' does not exist (use '-Sy' to download)". So I guess it's not sufficient to just wait for pacman-init.service to finish?
2023-04-21 13:59:57	Namarrgon	-Sy is a separate thing, the iso does not come with a set of syncDBs
2023-04-21 14:00:48	Namarrgon	you either have to -Sy first or -Sy <pkg>, but that's a separate "issue" from the gnupg thing
2023-04-21 14:02:55	andreas303	Namarrgon: Ah, OK.
2023-04-21 14:03:17	andreas303	Namarrgon: /etc/pacman.d/gnupg is empty during the first ~10 seconds after logging in.
2023-04-21 14:03:33	Namarrgon	yeah, then the unit starts "a bit" late
2023-04-21 14:03:34	andreas303	Namarrgon: Now I see that it's populated.
2023-04-21 14:05:45	andreas303	Namarrgon: I see. Hmm, so I have to wait for it to become populated. Should I now do "pacman-key --init", "pacman-key --populate", "pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring", "pacman -Sy", or go straight to "pacman -S --noconfirm emacs-nox"?
2023-04-21 14:06:23	Namarrgon	once pacman-init.service is done you don't need to --init/--populate, it should work fine at that point
2023-04-21 14:07:36	Namarrgon	you can combine -Sy and -S <pkg> to -Sy <pkg>, there's no diff
2023-04-21 14:07:40	Namarrgon	erence
2023-04-21 14:14:35	akik	Namarrgon: can i use "pacman -Syu package" ?
2023-04-21 14:14:51	andreas303	Namarrgon: Namarrgon & koffeinfriedhof: Thanks for helping! I think I got it working now. :)
2023-04-21 14:14:58	akik	package = new package to install
2023-04-21 14:15:01	Namarrgon	sure, just don't use -Sy and -S commands
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2023-04-21 14:45:37	Namarrgon	fweht: are you booted into the archiso?
2023-04-21 14:45:59	fweht	Namarrgon: yes
2023-04-21 14:46:25	Namarrgon	did you forget to chroot into the installed system?
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2023-04-21 15:15:09	fweht	where can i see what packages are in e.g. base or linux?  pacman -Sg base returns nothing...
2023-04-21 15:15:27	Namarrgon	"base" is a meta-package, look at its dependencies
2023-04-21 15:16:01	Namarrgon	"pactree base"
2023-04-21 15:26:57	fweht	ah thanks!
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2023-04-21 16:27:39	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1474 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1473 normals)
2023-04-21 16:10:57	grawity	fweht: base *used to be* a group, but stopped being a group a few years ago; base-devel also stopped being a group recently
2023-04-21 16:18:58	bcrumb	I want to store some files on a drive, is something like rsync -aHAXu preferable to cp -au?
2023-04-21 16:19:03	bcrumb	*on a removable drive
2023-04-21 16:19:24	grawity	rsync has the advantage that it can be interrupted and resumed
2023-04-21 16:19:50	bcrumb	Are these per option or toggled via some hotkey signal?
2023-04-21 16:19:51	grawity	other than that, if you don't need fancy things like --exclude, cp is fine IMO
2023-04-21 16:20:33	grawity	I mean that you can outright ctrl-c a rsync, and later run it again, and it will always finish interrupted files etc.
2023-04-21 16:20:44	bcrumb	Ok, because I was also looking to not have it write unnecessary data nad be able to properly archive it. I think I will go with rsync since it seems worthwhile to use
2023-04-21 16:20:57	bcrumb	grawity: oh cool, thanks!
2023-04-21 16:21:30	grawity	since rsync is a sync tool, it has options like --del to clean up files that are no longer in the source, as well
2023-04-21 16:21:50	jclsn	Any idea why don't have shell icons in p10k in alarm?
2023-04-21 16:22:03	grawity	no, ask alarm
2023-04-21 16:22:11	jclsn	There is no alarm channel
2023-04-21 16:22:14	grawity	!alarm
2023-04-21 16:22:15	phrik	If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
2023-04-21 16:22:19	jclsn	Ah okay
2023-04-21 16:23:04	grawity	even though it's *mostly* arch as far as derivatives go, but they might still know better if there are some packaging changes or outdated stuff (and also I have no idea what p10k is lol)
2023-04-21 16:24:01	susi	it's some oh my zsh 'theme' iirc
2023-04-21 16:24:15	bcrumb	grawity: Good that you reminded me of that, that would absolutely be necessary...
2023-04-21 16:24:18	grawity	ah, so icons would be a font thing
2023-04-21 16:24:24	bcrumb	so something like rsync -aHAXu --delete-after
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2023-04-21 17:09:18	morteza24	hi. I'm trying to install tor-browser from aur but I get this error when I run "makepkg -sc": "ERROR: One or more PGP signatures could not be verified!"
2023-04-21 17:09:56	morteza24	I tried deleting the directory and cloning the it again but I still get the same error.
2023-04-21 17:10:44	morteza24	*cloning it
2023-04-21 17:12:26	astralc	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_User_Repository#Acquire_a_PGP_public_key_if_needed
2023-04-21 17:12:27	phrik	Title: Arch User Repository - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-04-21 17:51:10	Mr\	How can I add udev rules for my bluetooth earphones ?
2023-04-21 17:53:30	Edu4rdSHL	!give bruh aw udev
2023-04-21 17:53:31	phrik	bruh: Udev - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Udev
2023-04-21 17:55:21	bruh	No I want to add udev rules for My bluetooth device and I ran udevadm info --attribute-walk --path=$(udevadm info --query=path --name=/dev/bluetooth) which didn't work
2023-04-21 17:55:46	bruh	There is no instruction on arch wiki about bluetooth earphone 
2023-04-21 17:56:08	bruh	* about how to add udev rules to bluetooth headphone
2023-04-21 17:59:42	sangy	I'm trying out hyprland. Somebody give me a qrd of any drama/things I should know
2023-04-21 18:00:15	Foxboron	sangy: hyprland devs are TERFs
2023-04-21 18:00:25	Foxboron	Just as a headsup if you intend to interact with upstream
2023-04-21 18:01:03	bruh	sangy: I am using hyprland and it is nothing but sway with animations
2023-04-21 18:01:08	bruh	very easy to use
2023-04-21 18:01:30	bruh	You can face difficulties with waybar or ewwbar
2023-04-21 18:02:33	bruh	https://i.imgur.com/IrisJjt.jpg
2023-04-21 18:03:07	susi	>+33 Celsius
2023-04-21 18:04:01	bruh	Thats nothing. In morning it was 45 C
2023-04-21 18:04:45	⚡ 	lastmikoi starts to melt at +26°C
2023-04-21 18:05:09	sangy	Foxboron: wut fr?
2023-04-21 18:05:15	Foxboron	sangy: "fr"?
2023-04-21 18:05:25	lastmikoi	for real
2023-04-21 18:05:30	lastmikoi	(learned it a week ago)
2023-04-21 18:05:32	susi	bruh: where?
2023-04-21 18:06:07	bruh	wdym by where ?
2023-04-21 18:06:21	bruh	where do I live you mean? 
2023-04-21 18:07:53	Foxboron	sangy: Im not sure if I'll find the pictures again
2023-04-21 18:08:00	sangy	dang that sucks tho
2023-04-21 18:09:10	Foxboron	sangy: https://fosstodon.org/@TheEvilSkeleton/109587658504727925 i think this is it
2023-04-21 18:09:11	phrik	Title: TheEvilSkeleton :silverblue:: "Rant about bigotry in "cool" FOSS projects" - Fosstodon (at fosstodon.org)
2023-04-21 18:09:24	Foxboron	https://old.reddit.com/r/voidlinux/comments/12jupuu/wayfire_on_artix/jg2pmsx/?context=3 generally the maintainers seems like people you dont want to deal with
2023-04-21 18:09:25	phrik	Title: Vaxerski comments on Wayfire on Artix? (at old.reddit.com)
2023-04-21 18:09:29	Foxboron	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2023-04-21 18:11:25	bruh	Wayland still has a lot of problems
2023-04-21 18:11:36	bruh	xorg better if you dont give a shit about security
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2023-04-21 18:32:15	bruh	I keep my bar very minimal https://i.imgur.com/I9T1rMW.png
2023-04-21 18:32:54	sangy	!allthefonts
2023-04-21 18:32:54	phrik	sangy: The answer is 42.
2023-04-21 18:33:11	MacGyver	Yeah, same. I just stock up on port, dry cider, and sour beer.
2023-04-21 18:33:21	sangy	bruh: that's kinda cute, is that sway-bar? care to share your rc?
2023-04-21 18:33:29	sangy	!fonts
2023-04-21 18:33:30	phrik	https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fonts
2023-04-21 18:33:43	bruh	waybar not swaybar
2023-04-21 18:33:44	sangy	bruh what'd they do with the factoid that was useful
2023-04-21 18:34:33	bruh	sangy: https://github.com/MrDisguised/config
2023-04-21 18:35:05	sangy	thanks
2023-04-21 18:37:37	bruh	Nerd Fonts are the best fonts change my mind
2023-04-21 18:39:11	BrainDamage	!alltheunicodes
2023-04-21 18:39:12	phrik	adobe-source-* otf-fira-{mono,sans} ttf-{dejavu,droid,indic-otf,liberation,symbola} otf-ipafont noto-fonts (more or less.)
2023-04-21 18:40:51	sangy	BrainDamage: thanks
2023-04-21 18:51:59	BrainDamage	sangy: wrt mpd: it's useful if eg your music player is remote, I have a small sbc as multimedia pc and the client-server model there lets me queue music from my phone or pc
2023-04-21 18:52:18	BrainDamage	also useful if you want to be able to send commands to it that's not simple play/pause/seel that mpris would cover for most players
2023-04-21 18:53:11	rcf	sangy: before I became Tim Cook's bitch and gave into streaming, a shitty ARM board running mpd and a DAC were an essential part of my stereo setup. 
2023-04-21 19:00:52	BrainDamage	rcf: mopidy lets you have both
2023-04-21 19:01:54	sangy	yeah that's what I thought
2023-04-21 19:02:01	sangy	nowadays I just b a bish on youtube
2023-04-21 19:05:09	rcf	sangy: it's ricing in the sense that a NAS might be ricing, because you could just plug a bunch of hard drives into your laptop directly instead of use a silly network protocol.
2023-04-21 19:06:35	BrainDamage	the ricing part is usually the amount of time spent tweaking the visualization programs
2023-04-21 19:07:01	rcf	I always strongly looked down on that aspect. I remember Winamp dammit 
2023-04-21 19:07:04	rcf	Never again 
2023-04-21 19:07:05	Disguised	cava besst
2023-04-21 19:07:22	Vorpal	When making PKGBUILDs I need to put in the arch=() array. What value should I put in to indicate it will work on 32-bit and 64-bit ARM? armv7 and aarch64? Or arm32 and arm64? I know the program works on those (I have cross compiled it and tested it), but I don't run arch or arch derivatives on those platforms, so I don't know how the CARCH is normally set over there.
2023-04-21 19:08:27	rcf	Vorpal: The former, but you can see #archlinuxarm if you want to know what they want. 
2023-04-21 19:08:35	Vorpal	ah, thanks
2023-04-21 19:08:55	Disguised	is manjaro good ? 
2023-04-21 19:08:59	Disguised	Never tried manjaro
2023-04-21 19:09:08	rcf	You won't find much of a positive opinion here. 
2023-04-21 19:09:13	DeepDayze	fact
2023-04-21 19:09:15	Vorpal	rcf: ARM is such a mess. rustc --print target-list | grep -E 'arm.*linux' is a huge list of different triplets, with/without hard float etc...
2023-04-21 19:09:31	Disguised	rcf: Give me some reasons why manjaro is bad ? 
2023-04-21 19:09:37	DeepDayze	To me Manjaro is like Ubuntu
2023-04-21 19:09:53	DeepDayze	they are derivatives of upstreams
2023-04-21 19:10:04	Disguised	Manjaro is not ""that"" bad. Ubuntu uses snaps 
2023-04-21 19:10:05	Foxboron	Vorpal: please dont cross-post questions
2023-04-21 19:10:28	Vorpal	Foxboron: cross post? I'm asking it the arm version now since rcf asked me to go there
2023-04-21 19:10:39	Disguised	Only linux distros I have tried is linux mint and archlinux
2023-04-21 19:10:39	Foxboron	uhhh, okay. I missed that. Sorry
2023-04-21 19:14:32	jkc	Disguised: snaps aren't that bad, nor are flatpaks.
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2023-04-21 19:31:15	FL4SHK	assuming I have a port of the Linux kernel, is it hard to port Arch to a new processor?
2023-04-21 19:31:54	FL4SHK	maybe I'd be better off with Gentoo or something so that I can compile on the machine itself
2023-04-21 19:32:43	Edu4rdSHL	wdym by "port"
2023-04-21 19:33:00	FL4SHK	Edu4rdSHL: like ArchLinux ARM
2023-04-21 19:33:07	Edu4rdSHL	!give FL4SHK alarm
2023-04-21 19:33:08	phrik	FL4SHK: If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
2023-04-21 19:33:11	FL4SHK	no
2023-04-21 19:33:19	FL4SHK	I'm not working on an ARM machine
2023-04-21 19:33:26	FL4SHK	It's a custom instruction set
2023-04-21 19:33:41	Edu4rdSHL	Well, if it's ARM, then go to #archlinuxarm
2023-04-21 19:33:48	FL4SHK	It's not ARM
2023-04-21 19:34:00	Edu4rdSHL	It's x86_64?
2023-04-21 19:34:02	FL4SHK	no
2023-04-21 19:34:07	Edu4rdSHL	Then it isn't Arch
2023-04-21 19:34:20	Edu4rdSHL	Arch is only x86_64
2023-04-21 19:34:49	FL4SHK	I'm aware of that
2023-04-21 19:34:55	astralc	it is more question of "can I build everything for it"
2023-04-21 19:34:58	gehidore	^^
2023-04-21 19:35:12	Edu4rdSHL	Well, you have to try 
2023-04-21 19:35:22	Edu4rdSHL	Nobody can really answer that
2023-04-21 19:35:26	FL4SHK	okay then
2023-04-21 19:35:34	gehidore	 could be a fun project
2023-04-21 19:35:39	gehidore	without a doubt full of hickups
2023-04-21 19:35:43	FL4SHK	yeah, it's been pretty fun so far
2023-04-21 19:35:53	Vorpal	Arch on RISCV could be cool I guess
2023-04-21 19:35:55	FL4SHK	I have a GNU Binutils port and some of a GCC backend written
2023-04-21 19:35:57	Vorpal	or something like that
2023-04-21 19:36:14	FL4SHK	right
2023-04-21 19:36:22	Vorpal	a custom instruction set sounds a bit silly in this day and age though, what with RISCV
2023-04-21 19:36:56	FL4SHK	Vorpal: I like writing HDL code for my own CPUs, and also I like working with software
2023-04-21 19:36:59	FL4SHK	it's a hobby
2023-04-21 19:37:07	Edu4rdSHL	Nice
2023-04-21 19:37:12	astralc	I don't think porting arch to 8502 will work great
2023-04-21 19:37:32	FL4SHK	that's fair
2023-04-21 19:37:52	FL4SHK	though it's not exactly an 8502
2023-04-21 19:38:37	FL4SHK	I suppose I'll keep working on the project
2023-04-21 19:38:57	Vorpal	FL4SHK: Cool, I think you need to start with porting the kernel. I think that alone will be a long and arduous process. Given how much work went into the RISCV port so far...
2023-04-21 19:39:13	FL4SHK	Vorpal: oh? really
2023-04-21 19:39:22	FL4SHK	hm
2023-04-21 19:39:42	FL4SHK	I'm not familiar with the Linux kernel's codebase yet
2023-04-21 19:40:13	Vorpal	FL4SHK: it seems to have been going for a few years with multiple contributors. I think you can get the bare minimum booting a bit sooner of course. But then there is lots of work to enable various features that need platform specific code. Like BPF etc
2023-04-21 19:40:46	FL4SHK	Vorpal: I see, that is good to know
2023-04-21 19:41:01	FL4SHK	What is BPF in particular?
2023-04-21 19:41:43	rcf	Originally a packet filtering system, but now the kernel's preferred JIT VM 
2023-04-21 19:41:44	Vorpal	BPF is a virtual machine for loadable code snippets in byte code compiled to native code by the kernel. Started out as a network filtering thing. Then it spread
2023-04-21 19:41:55	FL4SHK	that sounds fun to port
2023-04-21 19:42:06	Vorpal	rcf: isn't it compiled ahead of time (when the program is loaded) as opposed to JIT?
2023-04-21 19:42:33	Vorpal	FL4SHK: to be fair though, I'm not that well versed in the kernel. I have done a couple of patches in the ACPI subsystem for supporting an old Toshiba laptop, that is it.
2023-04-21 19:42:34	ToxicAven	I mean presuming you have the kernel and gcc, you would just need pacman & co. working so you can get pkgbuilds going
2023-04-21 19:42:46	ToxicAven	then its just working kinks out of those
2023-04-21 19:43:04	Edu4rdSHL	That would be pretty easy, pacman should be able to build almost everywhere tho
2023-04-21 19:43:22	ToxicAven	Exactly
2023-04-21 19:43:31	ToxicAven	just a kernel and build tools
2023-04-21 19:43:44	Vorpal	FL4SHK: you will also need a boot loader, and either something like device trees or ACPI to describe to the kernel how to find various hardware resources and peripherals.
2023-04-21 19:44:01	rcf	Vorpal: no, it's JIT. 
2023-04-21 19:44:05	Vorpal	Edu4rdSHL: you mean makepkg? I don't think pacman builds anything.
2023-04-21 19:44:22	ToxicAven	i mean if there is any linux distro present for the archetecture to start it shouldn't be too bad
2023-04-21 19:44:29	rcf	Vorpal: in any case you don't need to port the JIT bits; there's an interpreter as well 
2023-04-21 19:44:39	Vorpal	ah
2023-04-21 19:45:05	bcrumb	How can I open a terminal (konsole in my case) from a shell script to prompt user for input?
2023-04-21 19:45:22	Vorpal	speaking of pacman being versatile: I have seen pacman used in unlikely places. MSYS2 (a build environment for MINGW on Windows, based on Cygwin for running the tooling) uses pacman for package management.
2023-04-21 19:45:45	rcf	bcrumb: see -e 
2023-04-21 19:46:34	rcf	i.e. konsole -e your_script whatever args to your script 
2023-04-21 19:46:38	FL4SHK	Vorpal: I've heard of MSYS2 using pacman
2023-04-21 19:46:43	FL4SHK	in fact I used to use MSYS2
2023-04-21 19:46:52	astralc	bcrumb: see also kdialog
2023-04-21 19:46:54	FL4SHK	but I don't use Windows enough outside of work to use MSYS2
2023-04-21 19:47:07	rcf	When you wonder why pacman doesn't do $FEATURE_THAT_WOULD_MAKE_ARCH_PERFECT, it's MSYS2 
2023-04-21 19:47:26	bcrumb	rcf: Ah I see, tried running a small one with --hold / --noclose and it doesn't seem to stay open, but a script might hold it open for user input
2023-04-21 19:47:35	bcrumb	astralc: Thanks, I will check it out!
2023-04-21 19:47:40	bcrumb	thanks for the answers guys
2023-04-21 19:47:59	Vorpal	rcf: such as?
2023-04-21 19:48:37	Vorpal	also you actually take that into consideration? I assumed pacman was developed for Arch only, and third parties using it were on their own pretty much.
2023-04-21 19:50:41	rcf	I don't, but there's code involved to keep things portable to Windows, for example, to allow for this. 
2023-04-21 19:50:48	BrainDamage	FL4SHK: arch build infra isn't the best and kinda bespoke, it's in progress of a rewrite currently even ( at least, the repo part ), something else might suit you better
2023-04-21 19:51:14	FL4SHK	BrainDamage: okay, I'll look around
2023-04-21 19:52:15	Vorpal	FL4SHK: since you will need to compile everything anyway (and presumably there won't be a ton of users for it): consider Gentoo
2023-04-21 19:52:47	Vorpal	as I remember it (though it has been over a decade since I used it), it's ebuilds were pretty good too, on par with PKGBUIlDs.
2023-04-21 19:53:04	Vorpal	As opposed to Debian packaging scripts that is just a pain to deal with.
2023-04-21 19:56:00	DeepDayze	pacman is pretty darn good for a package manager aside from Debian's apt.
2023-04-21 19:56:05	BrainDamage	pacman is developed as a generic package manager, not specific to arch, for one, if it was, the keyring crap would've been fixed a while ago with a bespoke solution
2023-04-21 19:56:21	Vorpal	hah
2023-04-21 19:56:48	Vorpal	DeepDayze: apt is slow though (compared to pacman). In fact I don't know of any package manager as fast as pacman.
2023-04-21 19:57:00	MacGyver	BrainDamage: I mean, the keyring crap *was* fixed a while ago with a bespoke solution.
2023-04-21 19:57:02	DeepDayze	Apt does more dependency checking
2023-04-21 19:57:07	MacGyver	BrainDamage: They took out the bespoke solution :P
2023-04-21 19:57:16	DeepDayze	so that's why it seems slow in comparison with pacman
2023-04-21 19:57:25	DeepDayze	Fedora's dnf is pretty fast too
2023-04-21 19:57:28	ToxicAven	Apt *hurts* the grammar does not click with my brain, aand 
2023-04-21 19:57:42	ToxicAven	and the upgrade prompt is just impossible to read
2023-04-21 19:58:04	DeepDayze	heh pacman would been at home in almost any distro (with tweaks of course)
2023-04-21 19:58:07	FL4SHK	Vorpal: Okay, guess I'll port Gentoo
2023-04-21 19:58:15	FL4SHK	also I don't know that I'd say many people would use it
2023-04-21 19:58:15	Vorpal	aptitude (the curses GUI) is kind of nice though IMO. On Debian derivatives I use it a lot. On Arch I never felt the need for something similar though.
2023-04-21 19:58:25	FL4SHK	I highly doubt anyone but me will use it :)
2023-04-21 19:58:45	ToxicAven	FL4SHK: never underestimate where people want to put gentoo
2023-04-21 19:58:47	Vorpal	FL4SHK: though emerge (it's package manager) is written in Python. So that now involves porting python. That is a bit of a downside :/
2023-04-21 19:59:01	ToxicAven	Where the hell are you porting it to?
2023-04-21 19:59:15	Vorpal	ToxicAven: his own custom ISA on a FPGA it sounds like.
2023-04-21 19:59:16	FL4SHK	Vorpal: does Python use a JIT or something?
2023-04-21 19:59:22	FL4SHK	ToxicAven & Vorpal: yeah
2023-04-21 19:59:23	Vorpal	sorry, their*. Shouldn't assume
2023-04-21 19:59:24	ToxicAven	Ohhhh that makes far more sense
2023-04-21 19:59:28	DeepDayze	rewrite it in Rust :)
2023-04-21 19:59:41	Vorpal	DeepDayze: pacman? Or emerge?
2023-04-21 19:59:56	BrainDamage	imo debian abstracts so much that when the automagic breaks, you have no idea where to start dig in the layers below
2023-04-21 19:59:58	Vorpal	FL4SHK: no JIT in Python (yet)
2023-04-21 20:00:07	Vorpal	!grab BrainDamage
2023-04-21 20:00:07	phrik	Vorpal: Bingpot!
2023-04-21 20:00:13	Vorpal	exactly that
2023-04-21 20:00:32	FL4SHK	surely porting Python isn't that hard without it using a JIT, right?
2023-04-21 20:00:47	Vorpal	if I want to package a thing for Debian, I go looking for an existing package similar to mine (same language, build system etc). And I don't understand anything of it.
2023-04-21 20:01:21	DeepDayze	Vorpal...either one :)
2023-04-21 20:01:23	Vorpal	FL4SHK: I mean, it is C. I do believe it does some weird tricks with malloc though.
2023-04-21 20:01:51	FL4SHK	Vorpal: oh, I see
2023-04-21 20:02:27	Vorpal	so you might need architecture specific code around the memory allocator? Maybe? Or that might just be OS specific. Not sure
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2023-04-21 20:20:02	tyler82	oh really?
2023-04-21 20:20:11	Edu4rdSHL	Yes
2023-04-21 20:20:19	tyler82	i thinked it will be conflicted
2023-04-21 20:20:33	tyler82	with each other
2023-04-21 20:20:49	tyler82	Ok then. Thanks
2023-04-21 20:38:56	NetSysFire	Foxboron: do you happen to know how to make perf work with the debuginfod downloaded symbols?
2023-04-21 20:39:50	Foxboron	NetSysFire: I dont
2023-04-21 20:42:32	NetSysFire	damn
2023-04-21 20:44:39	phonemic	Is there any harm with installing lib32 video drivers if you aren't sure you will need them or not/
2023-04-21 20:44:42	phonemic	?
2023-04-21 20:44:47	Edu4rdSHL	phonemic, no
2023-04-21 20:44:54	phonemic	Figured but curious. Thanks
2023-04-21 20:51:29	phonemic	One more. I noticed the archinstall script adds `egl-wayland` even though I selected AMD / ATI in the video driver section. Is that package NVIDIA only?
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2023-04-21 21:08:57	rcf	sangy: I shall look to see if there'
2023-04-21 21:09:25	rcf	s any straightforward way to force the mouse debounce logic to be applied to keys. 
2023-04-21 21:10:29	sangy	boo. I'll see how to suffer less
2023-04-21 21:15:05	rcf	You could just replace the defective keyswitch 
2023-04-21 21:15:32	rcf	Or do what I considered doing for a bit, which was just swap it with one I don't actually use all that much
2023-04-21 21:15:36	rcf	If print screen bounces a bit who cares 
2023-04-21 21:16:00	rcf	Does anyone really use the menu key? 
2023-04-21 21:19:07	gehidore	I care
2023-04-21 21:24:16	Namarrgon	you mean the compose key?
2023-04-21 21:27:15	NetSysFire	i think they mean keycode 135 (keysym 0xff67, Menu)
2023-04-21 21:27:43	susi	can you imagine what Asus did... they got rid of the Menu key, and put it behind r-ctrl
2023-04-21 21:27:55	susi	and replaced it with 2nd Fn key
2023-04-21 21:28:25	Namarrgon	can you imagine what i'd do to asus?
2023-04-21 21:29:34	NetSysFire	for me the menu key is on right ctrl, needs fn
2023-04-21 21:30:04	susi	I had actually useful use for Menu key, and then they took it away
2023-04-21 21:31:29	rcf	NetSysFire: the compose key is right alt. Unless you live in one of those weirdo altgr countries I guess 
2023-04-21 21:31:35	rcf	...
2023-04-21 21:31:38	rcf	!tabfail 
2023-04-21 21:31:39	phrik	 0  days since the last tab failure. Completion safety is our union goal!
2023-04-21 21:31:54	NetSysFire	rcf: Namarrgon and me both live in a weirdo alt gr country
2023-04-21 21:34:03	Vorpal	[21:27] <susi> can you imagine what Asus did... they got rid of the Menu key, and put it behind r-ctrl <-- I have an Microsoft keyboard. They put menu on Fn-right shift. This is the only thing the Fn key is used for. Wtf.
2023-04-21 21:34:12	Vorpal	s/an/a/
2023-04-21 21:35:15	susi	fn-ctrl for me
2023-04-21 21:35:56	Vorpal	susi: this is a desktop keyboard though. Where Fn is not used for anything else. At all.
2023-04-21 21:36:04	Vorpal	full 105 key one at that
2023-04-21 21:36:27	susi	wow
2023-04-21 21:37:02	damjan	huh, how did this happen `community/aws-sdk-cpp                           1.11.37-1            537.83 MiB      45.43 MiB` (537MB is the net change)
2023-04-21 21:38:39	susi	package size 45.4 MB and installed size 537.8 MB 
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2023-04-21 21:40:56	damjan	oh, it's a new dependency … of `nix`
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2023-04-21 22:45:09	sangy	something is making my chromium very very sdad on this computer
2023-04-21 22:48:36	BrainDamage	salad sad or alas sad?
2023-04-21 22:49:55	bionade24	BrainDamage: alsa sad
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2023-04-21 23:20:42	lucenera	How can I enable suspend to idle?
2023-04-21 23:20:50	lucenera	Security errors are encountered in fwupd: 1. Suspend-to-RAM enabled and 2. Suspend-to-Idle disabled.
2023-04-21 23:26:18	Edu4rdSHL	What are you running
2023-04-21 23:27:08	lucenera	Arch Linux
2023-04-21 23:28:00	Edu4rdSHL	The command that's giving that error...
2023-04-21 23:28:46	lucenera	fwupdmgr security
2023-04-21 23:30:08	Tilltheman	isn't that a Lenovo specific thing?
2023-04-21 23:32:53	lucenera	I have a ThinkPad T480, but I don't know if this is specific.
2023-04-21 23:33:33	Tilltheman	I think fwupdmgr is something rather lenovo specific. afaik it updates firmware on lenovo devices, but not 100% sure
2023-04-21 23:34:11	lucenera	I guarantee that it is not specific. The program is for LVFS which is a firmware update system.
2023-04-21 23:34:23	lucenera	https://fwupd.org/
2023-04-21 23:34:24	phrik	Title: LVFS: Home (at fwupd.org)
2023-04-21 23:35:19	Tilltheman	then I have mistaken it, nvm.
2023-04-21 23:36:18	Tilltheman	still, how does it connect to arch?
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2023-04-22 00:09:11	minus	https://bpa.st/KB3IG
2023-04-22 00:09:12	phrik	Title: View paste KB3IG (at bpa.st)
2023-04-22 00:09:28	minus	fwiw i can boot with the fallback initramfs
2023-04-22 00:09:37	minus	kinda weird
2023-04-22 00:09:50	Scimmia	the fallback initrafms has all filesystem drivers
2023-04-22 00:10:08	minus	exactly why i thought i was in early init
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2023-04-22 00:54:56	rcf	It's a problem familiar to those working with any sort of build system: you're hiding a mass of complexity behind possibly-fragile frontend scripts that make it seem more pleasant until something breaks and you're on your own with a file that tells you never to touch it 
2023-04-22 00:55:33	minus	^ that's my beef with grub
2023-04-22 00:57:09	rcf	I suppose one might call it the sendmail problem, in honor of the configuration that is so onerous that fucking *m4* seems like the sensible way out. 
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2023-04-22 01:14:34	Pikk3wyn	oh then the issue is caused by some or other software you have loaded
2023-04-22 01:15:07	Pikk3wyn	if the keys output the same keycode it would be unfixable, but if it differs in kde it is probably due to some config
2023-04-22 01:15:17	Pikk3wyn	can you upload your config for this keybind daemon?
2023-04-22 01:15:41	Pikk3wyn	(it is unnecessary to do this imo you should disable it)
2023-04-22 01:15:59	blupier	sure a sec
2023-04-22 01:16:36	Pikk3wyn	i was not actually aware that you could MAKE different keycodes output the same *keycode* but i guess it could be due to the actual mapping itself
2023-04-22 01:16:56	Pikk3wyn	if they are different in kde it is def fixable
2023-04-22 01:17:33	Pikk3wyn	i can say the lock key outputting the same keycode as super_l is 100% in error :)
2023-04-22 01:17:49	blupier	Yes, window key open application menu and lock key locks in KDE.
2023-04-22 01:18:46	Pikk3wyn	can you upload your keybind thing config, and also check what keycode it says in kde
2023-04-22 01:19:31	Pikk3wyn	also for good measure can you post .i3/config and .xinitrc just to see if anything is loaded there that breaks it (i'm guessing could be that sxhkb thing)
2023-04-22 01:19:44	blupier	oh sorry I'm not using any keybind for Lock key in i3 and in KDE it works out of the box. Pikk3wyn 
2023-04-22 01:20:07	Pikk3wyn	can you post .i3/config and that other config anyway?
2023-04-22 01:20:27	blupier	sure.
2023-04-22 01:20:29	Pikk3wyn	ty
2023-04-22 01:20:38	blupier	it's messy but gimme a sec.
2023-04-22 01:20:41	Pikk3wyn	i am 99.5% sure there was an accidental misconfiguration somewhere because it should not be outputting the same ever keycode at all
2023-04-22 01:20:46	Pikk3wyn	no stress mine is probably worse XD
2023-04-22 01:22:48	Pikk3wyn	it definitely sends a different scancode but im wondering how in i3 it would be the same keycode, i think its safe to assume udev is not at fault, which means something is probably using setkeycodes or whatever after you start i3 and breaking it
2023-04-22 01:22:53	Pikk3wyn	but we will see shortly i think
2023-04-22 01:23:26	blupier	Pikk3wyn: https://bpa.st/IQ2C2
2023-04-22 01:23:28	phrik	Title: View paste IQ2C2 (at bpa.st)
2023-04-22 01:24:14	leonic	hi, how can I make my files open based on filetype instead of based on file name extension?
2023-04-22 01:24:51	Scimmia	they already do
2023-04-22 01:24:52	blupier	there's not much ;) Pikk3wyn 
2023-04-22 01:25:41	blupier	Thanks for helping out though, Pikk3wyn 
2023-04-22 01:25:41	leonic	they don't. e.g. if I rename a video from video.mp4 to video.txt and open it, it'll open with a text editor instead of a video player
2023-04-22 01:26:15	Pikk3wyn	for i3 workspace switch you can use bindsym $mod+Control+l workspace next_on_output
2023-04-22 01:26:15	Pikk3wyn	bindsym $mod+Control+h workspace prev_on_output
2023-04-22 01:26:18	Pikk3wyn	:) in i3config
2023-04-22 01:26:19	Scimmia	leonic: how are you 'open'ing it?
2023-04-22 01:26:31	Pikk3wyn	looking at that tho there isnt anywhere where the lock is executed
2023-04-22 01:26:51	Pikk3wyn	there is a daemon that locks before suspend but i dont see any bind for the actual execution of i3lock
2023-04-22 01:26:53	blupier	leonic: depends on the how your filemanager how it handles opening files.
2023-04-22 01:27:19	leonic	I'm using dolphin, but using `open` or `xdg-open` does the same.
2023-04-22 01:27:27	Pikk3wyn	the super_l exec i3lock is commented
2023-04-22 01:27:45	Pikk3wyn	blupier, (btw super_l is your i3wm Mod4 $mod key ;)
2023-04-22 01:27:45	blupier	because it was confliting with win key
2023-04-22 01:28:21	Scimmia	file extension is just one of the ways it determines what a file is
2023-04-22 01:29:34	leonic	if I remove the file extension, it opens based on filetype
2023-04-22 01:29:41	leonic	but I want it to always open based on filetype
2023-04-22 01:30:00	Scimmia	see /usr/share/mime/
2023-04-22 01:30:17	blupier	Pikk3wyn: so you think something is mapping same symbol to both keys correct?
2023-04-22 01:30:36	Pikk3wyn	something is causing the keyscan to be mapped to the same keycode in error
2023-04-22 01:31:05	Pikk3wyn	blupier, try kill sxhkd and check xev then after try start x again and make sure sxhkd is not running 
2023-04-22 01:31:37	Pikk3wyn	also can you go into kde and use xev and check what keycode/keysym the lock key sends because there is a random thing we can also check
2023-04-22 01:31:46	blupier	Pikk3wyn: no difference
2023-04-22 01:32:54	Pikk3wyn	ok, can you go into kde and do xev -event keyboard and get the full press and release for both left windows, and the lock key
2023-04-22 01:33:16	Pikk3wyn	and then save the full output of xmodmap -pk to a file
2023-04-22 01:33:19	Pikk3wyn	and do the same for i3
2023-04-22 01:33:40	Pikk3wyn	so i can compare and see if the literal keyscans have changed for some reason and how they have changed
2023-04-22 01:34:23	Pikk3wyn	also for extra info can you upload the output.xkb of xkbcomp $DISPLAY output.xkb for both kde and i3
2023-04-22 01:35:40	Pikk3wyn	i am 90% positive at LEAST the out.xkb should have the difference in keyscans and then i can just compare to xmodmap and see whats up
2023-04-22 01:36:28	blupier	Pikk3wyn: 🤯 why haven't i thought of this. good idea. BRB
2023-04-22 01:36:41	Pikk3wyn	then if that is broken we can most likely just manually load the same mapping that kde which will fix the issue
2023-04-22 01:37:24	Pikk3wyn	although i have no idea what would be breaking it in the first place because the issue is too arbitrary to be from random chance
2023-04-22 01:37:33	Pikk3wyn	but with those files at least we should be able to fix it
2023-04-22 01:38:59	Pikk3wyn	once i have found a working one it can easily be autoloaded when x starts
2023-04-22 01:40:14	Pikk3wyn	also if you are interested it can be loaded in different places to check maybe where the issue is, like if you load it before display manager in xinitrc and its still broken, then you know it is something after that etc
2023-04-22 01:40:24	md899	hi
2023-04-22 01:40:51	Pikk3wyn	if you load the mapping in your i3 config it is 100% guaranteed to work unless there is some daemon changing it after X and i3 has started (very unlikely but should be easy to identify)
2023-04-22 01:41:17	md899	im having an odd issue with arch mounting and making block devices of my usb sticks or portable hdd
2023-04-22 01:41:17	Pikk3wyn	the out.xkb and the xmodmap -pk for kde vs i3 are the important ones
2023-04-22 01:41:25	Pikk3wyn	md899, what is the issue
2023-04-22 01:41:26	md899	all devices work in my windows and debian machine though
2023-04-22 01:41:58	md899	dmesg shows them being plugged in but nothing happens after that
2023-04-22 01:42:12	Pikk3wyn	what is the mounting issue?
2023-04-22 01:42:45	Pikk3wyn	unless you have configured auto mounting via your DE or a daemon it will not auto mount, linux does not inherently auto mount devices
2023-04-22 01:43:18	md899	when i do lsblk or fdisk -l my internal ssd shows up
2023-04-22 01:43:22	md899	nothing else
2023-04-22 01:43:45	md899	dmesg shows no errors either
2023-04-22 01:43:47	Pikk3wyn	what is the dmesg output and do they show up in /dev
2023-04-22 01:43:55	md899	when plugging in a device
2023-04-22 01:44:04	Pikk3wyn	ja
2023-04-22 01:44:11	Pikk3wyn	and are they in /dev
2023-04-22 01:44:20	md899	nope
2023-04-22 01:44:28	Pikk3wyn	can you give the output
2023-04-22 01:45:04	md899	[ 4845.543654] usb 1-4: new high-speed USB device number 15 using xhci_hcd
2023-04-22 01:45:04	md899	[ 4845.773776] usb 1-4: New USB device found, idVendor=0bc2, idProduct=5021, bcdDevice= 1.48
2023-04-22 01:45:04	md899	[ 4845.773782] usb 1-4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
2023-04-22 01:45:04	md899	[ 4845.773784] usb 1-4: Product: FreeAgent GoFlex
2023-04-22 01:45:04	md899	[ 4845.773785] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: Seagate
2023-04-22 01:45:04	md899	[ 4845.773786] usb 1-4: SerialNumber: NA01MGDS
2023-04-22 01:45:28	Pikk3wyn	anything in /var/log/debug?
2023-04-22 01:46:02	md899	no debug folder 
2023-04-22 01:46:11	md899	*file
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2023-04-22 02:03:47	blupier	Pikk3wyn: this is what it looks like in KDE https://bpa.st/CBXAE. xkbcomp :0 doesn't outputs anything in either KDE or i3
2023-04-22 02:03:53	blupier	Thanks for waiting
2023-04-22 02:05:16	Pikk3wyn	the xkbcomp will write the file output.xkb
2023-04-22 02:05:50	Pikk3wyn	ohhhhh i see very interesting
2023-04-22 02:05:54	Pikk3wyn	you prob dont need a fix at all
2023-04-22 02:05:57	blupier	Pikk3wyn: also no difference in the output of xmodmap in either kde or i3 https://bpa.st/3NO3W
2023-04-22 02:05:58	phrik	Title: View paste 3NO3W (at bpa.st)
2023-04-22 02:06:14	Pikk3wyn	no its fine i think
2023-04-22 02:06:55	Pikk3wyn	the issue isnt that it is outputting the SAME (tho it should not be outputting super as well but irrelevant), the lock key is outputting keycode 46 as well which isnt mapped to a sym name but that doesnt matter
2023-04-22 02:06:57	Pikk3wyn	so u can do...
2023-04-22 02:07:45	Pikk3wyn	bindcode 46 exec i3lock
2023-04-22 02:07:49	Pikk3wyn	in your .i3/config
2023-04-22 02:07:51	Pikk3wyn	:)
2023-04-22 02:08:45	Pikk3wyn	the problem isnt that it doesnt have a unique code (tho its unusual that it outputs 2 keycodes), the issue is that it is outputting the keycode for super_l AND keycode 46 (unmapped)
2023-04-22 02:08:59	Pikk3wyn	so when looking you only see the super_l but you can just bind keycode 46 :))
2023-04-22 02:11:43	Pikk3wyn	blupier, did that fix it?
2023-04-22 02:12:10	blupier	Pikk3wyn: lol no, with that it is mapping the L key to i3lock in i3
2023-04-22 02:12:29	kode54	lol, telegram-desktop was updated
2023-04-22 02:12:45	blupier	in i3 it doesn't outputs keycode 46 at all
2023-04-22 02:12:45	kode54	but they only updated the direct download binaries, not the source code, or the flatpak or snap versions
2023-04-22 02:13:39	Pikk3wyn	blupier, run the command xkbcomp $DISPLAY output.xk
2023-04-22 02:13:43	Pikk3wyn	blupier, run the command xkbcomp $DISPLAY output.xkb
2023-04-22 02:13:56	Pikk3wyn	it will write a file in current dir called output.xkb
2023-04-22 02:14:06	Pikk3wyn	pls upload those files 
2023-04-22 02:14:45	Pikk3wyn	for kde and i3
2023-04-22 02:15:18	blupier	Darn bpaste: Highlighted text exceeds size limit (256 kB)
2023-04-22 02:15:37	Pikk3wyn	hugz() { curl https://hugz.io -sT $@ ;   }
2023-04-22 02:15:44	Pikk3wyn	then hugz $file
2023-04-22 02:17:55	Pikk3wyn	hmmmmm waaaaait a sec
2023-04-22 02:18:27	Pikk3wyn	oh lol 46 isnt unmapped its the letter L XD
2023-04-22 02:18:45	Pikk3wyn	so whats actually happening is when you press lock it is sending the keycodes for windows + L
2023-04-22 02:19:16	Pikk3wyn	which is the combo for lock in windows, so instead of sending the actual lock keycode the manufacturer made it send windows + L, that is retarded
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2023-04-22 02:36:02	rcf	Obviously you need to test what you changed before you commit to the patch, otherwise it'd be very annoying. 
2023-04-22 02:36:09	rcf	So, --noextract 
2023-04-22 02:36:58	TheDcoder	uhhh... why is the build stuck at "Kernel: arch/x86/boot/bzImage is ready  (#1)"? It's been there for a few minutes
2023-04-22 02:37:39	lolok	did you scroll up your terminal on accident? lol, happened to me
2023-04-22 02:38:20	lolok	is the machine still spinning or its quiet now?
2023-04-22 02:38:28	Pikk3wyn	TheDcoder, you can probably take a look at it in top or whatever, if its still using cycles, its still doing something
2023-04-22 02:38:33	Pikk3wyn	give it time, these things take ages
2023-04-22 02:38:50	TheDcoder	WTF, it's compiling again
2023-04-22 02:38:58	rcf	Not the whole thing 
2023-04-22 02:39:05	Pikk3wyn	give it time, its not restarted
2023-04-22 02:39:07	Pikk3wyn	:)
2023-04-22 02:39:20	TheDcoder	hope it doesn't take too long :)
2023-04-22 02:39:42	TheDcoder	also, I can't find the wiki article about setting up a local custom repository
2023-04-22 02:39:49	lolok	make some food and come back
2023-04-22 02:40:01	lolok	probably wont miss anything important
2023-04-22 02:40:01	TheDcoder	I followed it a couple of years ago and now I want to make some changes
2023-04-22 02:40:17	rcf	TheDcoder: make is a dependency graph, it doesn't tell you how to solve it, only what you need to solve. This means output can trick you into thinking it's farther along than it really is. 
2023-04-22 02:40:53	TheDcoder	ah crap, it's compiling the usb stuff now...
2023-04-22 02:41:05	Pikk3wyn	TheDcoder, also if you are worried about running out of ram, just: sudo dd BS=1M count=16384 if=/dev/zero of=/SWAP; sudo mkswap /SWAP; sudo swapon /SWAP
2023-04-22 02:41:32	TheDcoder	Pikk3wyn: tmpfs will still run out of memory, it doesn't use swap I think
2023-04-22 02:41:51	Pikk3wyn	TheDcoder, tmpfs is a semi ram filesystem
2023-04-22 02:42:01	rcf	Using tmpfs for speed and then falling back to swap is ultimately going to be counterproductive. 
2023-04-22 02:42:12	Pikk3wyn	he said hes worrying about running out of ram
2023-04-22 02:42:17	rcf	If he used tmpfs 
2023-04-22 02:42:18	Pikk3wyn	tho typically it will use as much ram as it can in order to make it build faster, also a lot of the ram is going to be filesystem cache
2023-04-22 02:42:19	lolok	are you building in ram?
2023-04-22 02:42:31	lolok	i thought you said youre building on a hdd
2023-04-22 02:42:34	TheDcoder	Pikk3wyn: well... it did give me disk full error while I had swap enabled
2023-04-22 02:42:47	rcf	hmm
2023-04-22 02:42:48	Pikk3wyn	TheDcoder, huh?
2023-04-22 02:42:59	Pikk3wyn	are you building it IN tmpfs?
2023-04-22 02:43:21	TheDcoder	Pikk3wyn: ? isn't that what you were suggesting?
2023-04-22 02:43:25	Pikk3wyn	no
2023-04-22 02:43:31	TheDcoder	ok, nevermind
2023-04-22 02:43:32	Pikk3wyn	you said you were worried about running out of ram
2023-04-22 02:43:39	Pikk3wyn	so i suggested add 16gb of swap :)
2023-04-22 02:43:44	TheDcoder	Pikk3wyn: yes, if I were to build it in tmpfs
2023-04-22 02:43:45	rcf	Pikk3wyn: No, I had suggested it if they wanted maximum speed but they knew this would constrain RAM and thus counteract the performance benefits. 
2023-04-22 02:43:47	lolok	if youre already an hour in aborting at this point would be unwise
2023-04-22 02:44:02	lolok	gonna be faster to just let it go regardless
2023-04-22 02:44:05	Pikk3wyn	rcf, ah i see
2023-04-22 02:44:05	rcf	Also that 
2023-04-22 02:44:50	lolok	how many cores are you using to build?
2023-04-22 02:45:04	rcf	For RAM constraints regardless I'd probably bite the bullet and use fewer threads. 
2023-04-22 02:45:09	lolok	^
2023-04-22 02:45:14	Pikk3wyn	i hope it was -j5 or -j10 atleast
2023-04-22 02:45:20	rcf	...maybe 
2023-04-22 02:45:33	rcf	We don't know what CPU they have
2023-04-22 02:45:33	lolok	i think i used 4 cores to get that 90 min time
2023-04-22 02:45:46	Pikk3wyn	i mean, it's not gonna fail due to low ram
2023-04-22 02:45:49	TheDcoder	lolok: no idea about cores, I just ran makepkg
2023-04-22 02:46:00	lolok	check in top
2023-04-22 02:46:08	rcf	TheDcoder: have you configured makepkg to build using multiple threads? 
2023-04-22 02:46:24	lolok	iirc it runs 2 or 4 by default
2023-04-22 02:46:38	TheDcoder	a good amount it seems
2023-04-22 02:46:43	TheDcoder	rcf: no
2023-04-22 02:46:55	rcf	It's 2 by default. 
2023-04-22 02:47:00	TheDcoder	also why is make calling pahole?
2023-04-22 02:47:49	Pikk3wyn	thats normal
2023-04-22 02:47:53	TheDcoder	nevermind, got it confused with another tool
2023-04-22 02:48:04	TheDcoder	(pi hole)
2023-04-22 02:48:06	rcf	It's not pulseaudio if that's what you were thinking 
2023-04-22 02:48:19	TheDcoder	it's something else that I was thinking about :)
2023-04-22 02:50:05	TheDcoder	I think it's done, it's installing files now
2023-04-22 02:51:00	rcf	Don't say that, now it's going to do something else 
2023-04-22 02:51:34	⚡ 	TheDcoder has fingers crossed
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2023-04-22 03:13:32	DeepDayze	Soy sauce?
2023-04-22 03:15:40	NetSysFire	with curry
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2023-04-22 04:03:55	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1449 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1448 normals)
2023-04-22 03:47:55	lolok	the upgrade process is a 'remove then install' thing; the old modules are gone if you updated normally, you must reboot
2023-04-22 03:48:37	NetSysFire	theres a kernel modules hook in the aur which copies the old modules so you do not need to reboot
2023-04-22 03:48:41	lolok	i guess you could reinstall the old kernel but that would be a really desperate move
2023-04-22 03:49:33	Hunker	there is some hook to use to move the old modules to /tmp and then link them to the right place and then do the new linking at next reboot
2023-04-22 03:49:34	lolok	aur whats that?
2023-04-22 03:49:49	⚡ 	lolok kidding
2023-04-22 03:50:53	Hunker	NetSysFire: do you remember what it's called?
2023-04-22 03:51:19	NetSysFire	kernel-modules-hook or something
2023-04-22 03:51:56	lolok	oh it got upgraded to community repo
2023-04-22 03:51:58	lolok	nice
2023-04-22 03:52:07	NetSysFire	nice
2023-04-22 03:52:12	lolok	maybe ill try it too
2023-04-22 03:53:39	Hunker	right Thanks! Hell mighty arch!
2023-04-22 03:56:15	lolok	!as
2023-04-22 03:56:16	phrik	Arch Sucks™
2023-04-22 03:56:30	lolok	i dont like this implementation so im gonna rewrite it :P
2023-04-22 03:57:00	NetSysFire	!give lolok qsay 61810
2023-04-22 03:57:00	phrik	lolok: <jonathon> Today I felt like a proper Arch user. Tell an upstream project their software is wrong, then fix it for them. https://github.com/AppImage/zsync2/issues/56
2023-04-22 03:57:06	NetSysFire	rip jonathon :(
2023-04-22 03:59:20	rcf	rip
2023-04-22 04:02:23	lolok	cheers
2023-04-22 04:02:31	⚡ 	lolok pours some out
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2023-04-22 06:01:32	Disguised	lolok: oh thats cool :)
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2023-04-22 07:47:39	amosbird	Hi! What's the recommended way of enabling coredump for certain processes only
2023-04-22 07:48:41	rcf	amosbird: in what sense? Are you seeking out a coredump from a specific process, or trying to disable most coredumps from ending up in coredumpctl 
2023-04-22 07:50:07	rcf	I don't think there's really a way to do the latter. 
2023-04-22 07:50:33	yamerooooo	amosbird: coredumpctl ?
2023-04-22 07:50:52	yamerooooo	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Core_dump
2023-04-22 07:50:53	phrik	Title: Core dump - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-04-22 07:51:38	amosbird	rcf: I'd like to have only given process to generate coredump. Currently coredumpctl shows all COREFILEs are none or missing (I forgot what configuration I did for that but it's on purpose)
2023-04-22 07:51:57	yamerooooo	if anything crashed you can inspect it by running '# coredumpctl'
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2023-04-22 08:12:30	edgy	Hi, any one is using calibre here?
2023-04-22 08:16:40	rcf	!anyone 
2023-04-22 08:16:41	phrik	Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2023-04-22 08:19:00	yamerooooo	Zathura is better than calibre
2023-04-22 08:19:21	rcf	it depends on your use case, I suppose. 
2023-04-22 08:19:57	yamerooooo	yes
2023-04-22 08:20:33	yamerooooo	I view pdfs in firefox. I use Zathura just for reading comic books
2023-04-22 08:20:58	rcf	I use zathura for my PDF collections 
2023-04-22 08:21:06	edgy	ok, when I open a book in calibre the fonts are very jaggy (not smooth) like non-aliased, is this only me?
2023-04-22 08:21:34	edgy	yamerooooo: will check jazthura ...
2023-04-22 08:22:21	edgy	yamerooooo: why is it better?
2023-04-22 08:22:43	rcf	I shall try calibre and see if it is jagged 
2023-04-22 08:24:06	yamerooooo	The only reason why I don't open pdfs in zathura is because pdf files can contain malware. Many youtubers ( like LTT and many more ) got hacked just by opening pdfs. THey injected malware into the pdf files which stole their session cookies. In firefox I go about:config and set pdfjs.enableScripting to false. In this way javascript codes will not run in pdfs.
2023-04-22 08:25:08	lolok	na someone at ltt doubleclicked on something.pdf.exe having had file extensions disabled
2023-04-22 08:25:44	yamerooooo	Lmao really ? 
2023-04-22 08:25:48	topcat001	lol
2023-04-22 08:25:59	lolok	yep gotta watch wan show to get the full stories
2023-04-22 08:26:07	lolok	i say as i havnt seen it yet today
2023-04-22 08:26:40	rcf	yamerooooo: keep in mind that the format itself is difficult enough to implement properly that one should probably not trust any viewer 
2023-04-22 08:26:48	rcf	yamerooooo: zathura is probably fine; it is not Adobe's. 
2023-04-22 08:26:59	lolok	yea youre not wrong to be skeptical of true pdf files either
2023-04-22 08:27:25	lolok	but a good reader is the solution 
2023-04-22 08:27:30	edgy	yamerooooo: what about epub? zathura can open them?
2023-04-22 08:27:31	yamerooooo	I find it kinda ironic. As a tech channel they don't even have any digital literacy
2023-04-22 08:28:04	topcat001	once again, lol
2023-04-22 08:28:07	lolok	heres a youtuber for you
2023-04-22 08:28:08	lolok	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie7Jb1KiIBM&pp=ygUMbmljayB0bGUgcGRm
2023-04-22 08:28:10	phrik	Title: The BEST PDF TOOLS for Linux: merge, edit, create, annotate, OCR... - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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2023-04-22 08:52:36	rcf	I look at it and it's... fine 
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2023-04-22 09:46:54	yamerooooo	damn arkenfox is awesome
2023-04-22 09:59:05	Bossierbossman	Is it just me or is hexchat faster when run from Gnome than it is from Plasma?  Doesn't seem logical but that is what I'm observing on my computer.
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2023-04-22 09:59:32	Bossierbossman	Faster getting connected to a server that is, otherwise the same.
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2023-04-22 10:32:23	carbolymer	if I add a new polkit rule do I need to reload it somehow?
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2023-04-22 11:05:55	fweht	when i want to customize things before installing the linux kernel, is `pacstrap /mnt base linux-firmware` and then installing `linux` via pacman equivalent to intsalling everything via pacstrap?
2023-04-22 11:07:30	Disguised	using pacstrap outside the chroot = using pacman inside chroot
2023-04-22 11:08:23	fweht	Disguised: only that it creates the base folder structure, right?  but so i only need to install anything via pacstrap and then the folders are created?
2023-04-22 11:08:33	Disguised	pacstrap is for installing packages to a specfic directory
2023-04-22 11:08:41	fweht	i see many thanks
2023-04-22 11:08:45	Disguised	pacstrap /mnt installs packages to that directory
2023-04-22 11:09:03	Disguised	np
2023-04-22 11:09:17	fweht	but pacman wouldnt work without `/etc`, /var`, `/usr`, `/bin`, whatever, or not?
2023-04-22 11:09:25	Disguised	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacstrap
2023-04-22 11:09:26	phrik	Title: Pacstrap - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-04-22 11:10:57	Disguised	when U are inside the chroot you are inside of your newly created system. You can use pacman but when you are outside of your chroot you have to use pacstrap to install packages
2023-04-22 11:13:43	Disguised	fweht: https://i.imgur.com/e29EVti.png ; https://libreddit.kavin.rocks/r/archlinux/comments/o94huw/difference_between_pacman_s_and_pacstrap/
2023-04-22 11:13:47	phrik	Title: Difference between `pacman -S` and `pacstrap`? - r/archlinux (at libreddit.kavin.rocks)
2023-04-22 11:14:23	fweht	thanks!!
2023-04-22 11:14:47	Disguised	np
2023-04-22 11:16:09	flower_	it is possible to use PKGBUILD scrip and edit the code?
2023-04-22 11:16:45	astralc	you mean edit inside the PKGBUILD?
2023-04-22 11:17:26	flower_	for a PKGBUILD the script downloads the code into a bare repo it seems and then starts building
2023-04-22 11:17:46	astralc	read the makepkg man page
2023-04-22 11:17:54	flower_	will do
2023-04-22 11:17:55	astralc	you have -o, and -e
2023-04-22 11:18:11	flower_	ok
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2023-04-22 13:00:29	Namarrgon	how is nextcloud not working?
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2023-04-22 13:01:42	Corbit	It just shows internal server error. But I cannot dig down because I'm not receiving any errors in log files.
2023-04-22 13:02:30	Namarrgon	which event caused it to break?
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2023-04-22 13:03:35	Corbit	Hard to say, because I can't get any meaningful output. I've put a description of what I tried in the official forums here https://help.nextcloud.com/t/internal-server-error-without-error-output-in-any-log-files-hard-to-locate-problem/160021
2023-04-22 13:03:36	phrik	Title: Internal server error without error output in any log files -> hard to locate problem - 🚧 Installation - Nextcloud community (at help.nextcloud.com)
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2023-04-22 13:05:07	Namarrgon	so you're only setting it up now from scratch?
2023-04-22 13:05:47	◣	acidbombom (~Thunderbi@178.57.114.81) ha salido (Quit: acidbombom)
2023-04-22 13:05:48	Corbit	No. I want to first try removing PHP and see if that changes anything.
2023-04-22 13:05:59	Corbit	Switch to just PHP-LEGACY.
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2023-04-22 13:07:06	Namarrgon	but nextcloud worked at some point and broke or did it never work?
2023-04-22 13:07:36	Corbit	It sadly never worked.
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2023-04-22 13:09:25	Namarrgon	the wiki recommends php-legacy anyway
2023-04-22 13:10:41	Corbit	Yes. I installed it especially for nextcloud. But maybe I can eliminate errors, if I remove PHP and just use PHP-LEGACY. Thats the idea to point out errors.
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2023-04-22 13:11:30	Namarrgon	the other php shouldn't interfere if you properly configured nextcloud for php-legacy but you can test your theory
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2023-04-22 13:13:41	Corbit	It all looks like I did so. But the very odd thing is, that hiding of errors. Without a proper feedback whats going wrong its very hard to dig down where the actual problem lays.
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2023-04-22 13:15:23	Namarrgon	are you using uwsgi for the server?
2023-04-22 13:16:07	Corbit	No. PHP-FPM-LEGACY:
2023-04-22 13:16:37	grawity	ah, doesn't nextcloud redirect the php errors into a .log file in its datadir?
2023-04-22 13:16:49	Corbit	Yes, but thats empty.
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2023-04-22 13:17:34	Namarrgon	what about the webserver's logs?
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2023-04-22 13:20:02	Corbit	They show just the "GET /nextcloud/index.php" 500 //usr/share/webapps/nextcloud/index.php" error. I detailed posted all logs in the forum topic and what I tried. I also did a print and exit at the index.php file to look if it reaches there. And it did.
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2023-04-22 13:34:57	engys	Corbit: I ask because last time I got an apache 500 was because MYSQL by default did not like to work with empty default values
2023-04-22 13:35:12	engys	but you are using PostgreSQL
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2023-04-22 13:35:48	⚡ 	teraflops uses a docker compose file to get nextcloud up and forgets about php nightmares
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2023-04-22 13:39:36	engys	Corbit: so what /usr/share/webapps/nextcloud/index.php on line 73 try to do?
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2023-04-22 13:39:58	Corbit	engys: Shouldn't be there then some error in nextcloud.log or postgres.log of the mishandled db connection?
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2023-04-22 13:41:21	Corbit	engys: it says: //show the user a detailed error page
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2023-04-22 13:45:12	aruncs	hey
2023-04-22 13:45:32	aruncs	my cpu is getting too hot running new endevour os 
2023-04-22 13:45:40	aruncs	but not doing much
2023-04-22 13:45:56	teraflops	tried using arch linux?
2023-04-22 13:47:00	◣	jinmiaoluo (~jinmiaolu@223.73.113.102) ha salido (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2023-04-22 13:47:43	Liowenex	Good one, teraflops... lol
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2023-04-22 13:47:46	aruncs	teraflops: you taliking to me/
2023-04-22 13:47:48	aruncs	?
2023-04-22 13:48:02	engys	Corbit: you can try to use journalctl -f in a terminal while loading the webpage to make sure you did not miss anything
2023-04-22 13:48:13	Liowenex	aruncs, obviously lol
2023-04-22 13:48:16	teraflops	aruncs: yes, this channel is for arch linux support 
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2023-04-22 13:48:44	aruncs	Liowenex: okey , yeah i have used 
2023-04-22 13:48:53	Liowenex	aruncs, Tried Windows 10?
2023-04-22 13:49:03	aruncs	aprox 2 years ago for 1 year
2023-04-22 13:49:08	Liowenex	OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (x64)
2023-04-22 13:49:10	Liowenex	I use it
2023-04-22 13:49:22	teraflops	Liowenex: please
2023-04-22 13:49:25	◣	lordhorzion (~horzion@ProtonDB/horzion) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2023-04-22 13:49:26	aruncs	Liowenex: yes used 10 , 8.1 ,11 , 7 ,xp
2023-04-22 13:49:54	aruncs	but 8.1 is and 7 is getting less hot than this arch with zen kernal
2023-04-22 13:50:12	Liowenex	Turn the fan speed up?
2023-04-22 13:50:21	Liowenex	Don't use it on your lap?
2023-04-22 13:50:26	Liowenex	It's not Linux's fault
2023-04-22 13:50:30	gromit	!give aruncs notarch
2023-04-22 13:50:30	phrik	aruncs: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2023-04-22 13:50:39	Corbit	engys: Nothing is shown while loading the webpage.
2023-04-22 13:50:44	aruncs	ok i know my machine is from the 2007
2023-04-22 13:50:53	Namarrgon	Liowenex: don't make this worse
2023-04-22 13:50:57	aruncs	so it must be the reson 
2023-04-22 13:51:23	aruncs	but still im not using any DE ad such only i3 without even the i3bar
2023-04-22 13:52:10	grawity	have you at least checked top/htop yet
2023-04-22 13:52:18	aruncs	do anyone have any sujestion
2023-04-22 13:52:28	aruncs	grawity: yeah i have done it b
2023-04-22 13:52:42	aruncs	it looks fine to me 
2023-04-22 13:52:55	aruncs	but still getting hotter 
2023-04-22 13:52:58	mkoskar	aruncs: generally if it's not doing much and it's getting too hot (what's that anyway?) it's likely an hardware issue, e.g., from fan not kicking in and/or bad
2023-04-22 13:52:59	grawity	what's the "load average" shown
2023-04-22 13:53:30	aruncs	grawity: 0.08 0.16 0.33
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2023-04-26 11:23:59	ℹ 	BillyZane3 es conocido ahora como BillyZane
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2023-04-26 11:39:36	Silenced	Hi guys, I am facing screen tearing issues with my external display when using intel modsetting drivers. Any ideas on how to fix it ? 
2023-04-26 11:39:43	ℹ 	hashwork- es conocido ahora como hashworks
2023-04-26 11:43:24	NetSysFire	theres a TearFree option in xorg
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2023-04-26 11:49:57	teraflops	not for modesetting
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2023-04-26 11:51:02	alebeta	Hi all, I come here to get some light regarding a problem, which I do not believe is from arch itself, but is related with my configuration. I have a laptop with an external monitor, the laptop lid is close, and the monitor is my only display, it is connected via HDMI provided by nvidia card. I have try several things, like moving from xorg to wayland, configuring optimus to use nvidia only,
2023-04-26 11:51:04	alebeta	changed my DE from Gnome to i3. But everytime after some ohurs of using my laptop it starts being laggy, like writing text and taking around 3 to 4 seconds to appear in screen. Don't know if anyone here had some similar situation and could guide me or give some hint on where the problem could be. thanks in advance. I have 4 month with this issue(since I decided to close the laptop lid)
2023-04-26 11:51:09	susi	just trying alacritty, there seems to be a weird graphical clitch every time I switch workspace to where alacritties open - any ideas about this?
2023-04-26 11:51:28	grawity	susi: are you on a compositing wm?
2023-04-26 11:51:29	UndeadLeech	Define 'graphical glitch'.
2023-04-26 11:51:34	susi	grawity: nope
2023-04-26 11:51:39	grawity	that's probably why
2023-04-26 11:51:49	grawity	it needs to fully redraw itself once mapped
2023-04-26 11:52:16	grawity	[and alacritty being all fancy and ~opengl~, I imagine it's just not optimized for that or something]
2023-04-26 11:52:18	susi	this problem didn't exist on my previous laptop though, that was exactly the same system (but iHD 500 instead of jasper lake iHD)
2023-04-26 11:52:33	grawity	i.e. "not exactly the same system"
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2023-04-26 11:53:51	susi	I mean, same system software-configuration wise :) it was kinda the previous model of this low-end netbook 
2023-04-26 11:54:33	susi	seems all kinds of graphical accel problems with this jasper lake system, none that I had with previous model
2023-04-26 11:55:39	grawity	so just out of curiosity, try enabling compositing (e.g. running picom with all the effects disabled)
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2023-04-26 19:09:58	Bco1981	interesting... i have commented everyline out in my mirrolist, execept for one line, Server=https://archive.archlinux.org/repos/2023/01/01/$repo/os/$arch. then pacman -syu... and now i'm getting packages from 2023/03/23... whyyy ? is that ?
2023-04-26 19:10:51	Bco1981	*-Suy
2023-04-26 19:11:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-05-04 18:44:34	jensen	firejail package has xdg-dbus-proxy as optional dependency. i want to install xdg-dbus-proxy as a dependency so that if firejail gets removed, xdg-dbus-proxy also gets removed since AFAIK none of my other packages need it. i use 'pacman -S --asdeps xdg-dbus-proxy', but when i 'pacman -Rns firejail', it does not remove xdg-dbus-proxy. so i can only assume at least a package i'm not aware of
2023-05-04 18:44:36	jensen	depends on xdg-bus-proxy as an optional dependency?
2023-05-04 18:45:02	jensen	how can i show which package depends on xdg-dbus-proxy?
2023-05-04 18:47:14	teraflops	jensen: pactree -r xdg-dbus-proxy
2023-05-04 18:47:28	astralc	or pacman -Qi xdg-dbus-proxy
2023-05-04 18:47:36	teraflops	https://paste.priet.us/dles/
2023-05-04 18:54:11	jensen	 pactree -r doesn't show anything for xdg-dbus-proxy, i guess it doesn't handle optional dependencies that were installed with --asdeps?
2023-05-04 18:55:48	astralc	it doesn't list optional dependencies
2023-05-04 18:58:00	teraflops	Oh I didn't know that
2023-05-04 18:58:23	astralc	pacman -Qi xdg-dbus-proxy
2023-05-04 18:59:10	jensen	yes thank you
2023-05-04 19:00:44	teraflops	It has -o switch https://paste.priet.us/zfxf/
2023-05-04 19:02:50	jensen	xdg-dbus-proxy is required by none, optional only for firejail. so even with 'pacman --asdeps xdg-dbus-proxy', uninstalling firejail doesn't install xdg-dbus-proxy
2023-05-04 19:03:52	astralc	what about pacman -D --asdeps xdg-dbus-proxy
2023-05-04 19:06:52	polarian	why is there two jelle's
2023-05-04 19:07:10	susi	why not?
2023-05-04 19:07:21	polarian	which is the right one?
2023-05-04 19:07:35	teraflops	Or e.g grep -B 100 xdg-dbus-proxy /var/log/pacman.log
2023-05-04 19:07:37	susi	issue WHOIS
2023-05-04 19:07:50	polarian	I have noticed since gromit became TU hes been less talkative 
2023-05-04 19:07:53	polarian	work work work!
2023-05-04 19:08:48	jensen	 same with pacman -D --asdeps xdg-dbus-proxy
2023-05-04 19:10:17	astralc	and the -Qi show reason installed as dependency?
2023-05-04 19:10:46	teraflops	Tried e.g pactree -r -o10 seg-dbus-proxy ?
2023-05-04 19:11:48	teraflops	Xdg^
2023-05-04 19:12:30	jensen	pacman -Qi shows 'required by: none' but install reason is dependency for another package
2023-05-04 19:13:00	jensen	yea pactree -r -o10 works, i tried pactree -r o 1 before and assumed it didn't work
2023-05-04 19:13:02	astralc	ah... so you already removed firejail before changing to asdeps
2023-05-04 19:13:05	susi	hmm, xdg-dbus-proxy is required for none, and optional for firejail, but even -Rsscu firejail won't propose removing xdg-dbus-proxy
2023-05-04 19:13:51	jensen	No i didn't remove firejail, i installed firejail, then -S --asdeps xdg-dbus-proxy, then pacman -Qi
2023-05-04 19:14:09	susi	ah, it's explicitly installed for my system, so nvm
2023-05-04 19:14:39	astralc	maybe -Rsn don't touch optional dependecies of the removed package
2023-05-04 19:14:54	Tonya201	today there was a python upgrade to 3.11.3 and my venvs don't work. Are there any additional things to be done/upgraded?
2023-05-04 19:15:03	susi	still, I would have expected -Rsscu firejail to propose removing it
2023-05-04 19:15:32	astralc	recreate you venv, you need install the modules again anyway
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2023-05-06 11:55:56	electronic_eel	bf_: when you have ecc ram and you get some error messages that point into the direction of ram errors, then run "edac-util -v". it can give you more info and tell you which slot the defective memory is in and so on
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2023-05-06 12:02:01	rcf	bf_: this is the sort of thing you should definitely considre 
2023-05-06 12:02:14	rcf	It will help you in determining what migh be wrong. 
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2023-05-06 12:20:23	The-Compiler	arojas: sorry for that bug report, wish people would ask before reporting things on my behalf, but oh well :D
2023-05-06 12:20:58	arojas	no problem
2023-05-06 12:21:24	rcf	The-Compiler: I thank you personally for giving me the browser I find to be usable above all others. 
2023-05-06 12:22:02	The-Compiler	rcf: awww thanks :)
2023-05-06 12:26:47	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-05-06 12:27:15	lastmikoi	(curious to know the name of the browser :3)
2023-05-06 12:29:29	NetSysFire	qutebrowser!
2023-05-06 12:30:08	rcf	qutebrowser++
2023-05-06 12:30:16	lastmikoi	first time I hear about it, will give it a look, thanks ! =)
2023-05-06 12:30:19	NetSysFire	!karma qutebrowser
2023-05-06 12:30:19	phrik	NetSysFire: qutebrowser has neutral karma.
2023-05-06 12:30:25	NetSysFire	:o
2023-05-06 12:30:26	rcf	Oh fuck off 
2023-05-06 12:30:32	NetSysFire	nou
2023-05-06 12:30:47	rcf	NetSysFire: no, you're fine, phrik is obviously the problem. 
2023-05-06 12:30:53	NetSysFire	i know, just teasing
2023-05-06 12:31:04	Brumaire	Qutebrowser is really cool, too bad it has poor support for extensions and use webkit
2023-05-06 12:31:08	rcf	NetSysFire is <3 for his committment to animals, if for nothing else. 
2023-05-06 12:31:13	rcf	Brumaire: it does not use webkit 
2023-05-06 12:31:20	rcf	It usses Blink. 
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2023-05-06 12:31:31	rcf	The problem is being caught on QtWebkit 5. 
2023-05-06 12:31:34	NetSysFire	rcf: what about my 840 day archwiki edit streak?!
2023-05-06 12:31:34	Brumaire	Yeah right
2023-05-06 12:31:51	rcf	QtWebengine 5 rather 
2023-05-06 12:32:03	lastmikoi	reminds me of the good old days when I used vimperator or pentadactyl
2023-05-06 12:32:05	rcf	But I think it mostly works fine with 6. 
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2023-05-06 12:32:28	rcf	Which I suspect -- as someone mostly detached -- is the case. 
2023-05-06 12:32:33	lastmikoi	warms my heart to see good ole keyboard browsing flame still alive ten years later
2023-05-06 12:32:40	rcf	Indeed. 
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2023-05-06 12:36:30	lastmikoi	I may look into it for replacing big unwieldy browsers whenever I need to do selenium test automation
2023-05-06 12:36:47	rcf	For automation it's probably not the best. 
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2023-05-06 12:37:31	lastmikoi	been so long since I haven't updated my python boilerplate, most of my test suite is broken nowadays, so it'll be a while until I re-explore web end-to-end testing
2023-05-06 12:37:55	lastmikoi	gotta make those unit tests and API functional tests work before :>
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2023-05-25 18:22:59	Toxmi	yeah, I looked for systemd units but just found it in i3 config! burried in some irrelevant part. Thanks guys
2023-05-25 18:23:45	grawity	for systemd, it's `man systemd-xdg-autostart-generator`, but the DE would still need to deliberately start the .target it generates
2023-05-25 18:26:11	Toxmi	grawity: yeah, thanks. I figure it out, I copied pasted defautl i3 setup and it basically start this dex. By removing it, everything now in the hands of i3. Just not sure if there is any necessary .desktop that i3wm might need it but I can add that as well later.
2023-05-25 18:29:56	kode54	qsecofr: ah yes, I once tried to set that up
2023-05-25 18:29:58	kode54	I'm trying again
2023-05-25 18:30:19	kode54	I didn't know offlineimap could also do gmail almost natively
2023-05-25 18:30:32	kode54	found this
2023-05-25 18:30:33	kode54	https://kkatsuyuki.github.io/notmuch-conf/
2023-05-25 18:30:34	phrik	Title: notmuch + emacs + offlineimap configuration procedure (at kkatsuyuki.github.io)
2023-05-25 18:30:52	kode54	now begins the syncing of 424k messages from the All Mail folder on gmail
2023-05-25 18:31:04	kode54	then 400k+ from the various folders on Fastmail
2023-05-25 18:31:22	kode54	then about a few dozen from iCloud
2023-05-25 18:31:41	kode54	I considered using iCloud as an archive target for most of my mail, some day
2023-05-25 18:31:53	kode54	since iCloud lets you just count that toward your huge ass quota
2023-05-25 18:32:18	kode54	I've got 250GB from a Apple One family plan
2023-05-25 18:32:52	teraflops	Is this some mail-Diogenes disease? I mean, why you want to keep 1M emails locally?
2023-05-25 18:33:59	kode54	as opposed to using a web client?
2023-05-25 18:34:30	teraflops	Nope
2023-05-25 18:34:48	teraflops	Just wondering why
2023-05-25 18:38:35	kode54	probably a lot of pain
2023-05-25 18:50:41	vqueiroz	Do we have tools to measure what are the processes that use more memory?
2023-05-25 18:51:01	vqueiroz	gnome-shell is using 8 GB. that's just crazy
2023-05-25 18:52:06	grawity	you run htop and sort by RES
2023-05-25 18:58:12	MrElendig	vqueiroz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX6fMlIYZcg
2023-05-25 18:58:13	phrik	Title: 7 years of cgroup v2: the future of Linux resource control (FOSDEM 2023) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
2023-05-25 18:58:48	vqueiroz	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/MqWyZ0Ca/image.png
2023-05-25 18:58:49	vqueiroz	grawity: check it out
2023-05-25 18:59:18	grawity	yeah that's ~1G for brave, doesn't look like a lot for a browser
2023-05-25 18:59:34	grawity	press shift+H to hide threads
2023-05-25 18:59:47	grawity	since memory allocation is per process, not per thread
2023-05-25 18:59:49	MrElendig	vqueiroz: 6:40 and onwards for the relevant fun
2023-05-25 18:59:58	grawity	so 20 threads x 1 GB is still just 1 GB
2023-05-25 19:00:06	susi	wow, when did htop get these main / io tabs
2023-05-25 19:00:21	grawity	like a month or two ago
2023-05-25 19:00:28	vqueiroz	MrElendig: No judgment please. daddy needs his fun
2023-05-25 19:00:52	rcf	USELESS BLOAT TO ADD IO THIS IS RIDICULOUS but yes it's nice 
2023-05-25 19:03:50	vqueiroz	kill -9 $(pidof brave) BRB guys
2023-05-25 19:04:03	NetSysFire	why not killall brave
2023-05-25 19:04:17	tirnanog	don't use SIGKILL unless you have to.
2023-05-25 19:04:19	susi	why not just closing it the normal way
2023-05-25 19:05:30	tirnanog	vqueiroz: http://turnoff.us/geek/dont-sigkill/
2023-05-25 19:05:32	phrik	Title: the real reason to not use sigkill (at turnoff.us)
2023-05-25 19:05:40	vqueiroz	NetSysFire: I am not sure. My learning experience with Linux was like I was on Xans, I can't explain why exactly I do it this way. But the main reason I believe I'm doing this, it's because I think killall do not always work or force the processes to die
2023-05-25 19:06:04	NetSysFire	the latter is true: processes can ignore sigterm but they shouldnt
2023-05-25 19:06:29	grawity	killall may be *searching* for processes by name differently than pkill, but it's -9 that does the work here, in both tools
2023-05-25 19:06:30	NetSysFire	processes usually "ignore" sigterm to display "you have unsaved changes! really quit?" and so on
2023-05-25 19:06:52	NetSysFire	and -9 may cause data loss when an application is still writing to stuff
2023-05-25 19:06:54	grawity	never seen something ignore sigterm for that reason
2023-05-25 19:07:07	vqueiroz	Also, I always do kill -9 $(pidof $PROCESS_NAME) twice to be sure
2023-05-25 19:07:08	vqueiroz	hahaha
2023-05-25 19:07:11	tirnanog	even data corruption, potentially.
2023-05-25 19:07:15	tirnanog	that's pretty silly.
2023-05-25 19:07:25	vqueiroz	It's like a habit https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/gj5JpfVq/image.png
2023-05-25 19:07:36	tirnanog	incidentally, you can replace kill $(pidof ...) with pkill.
2023-05-25 19:08:16	vqueiroz	a Linux rabbit
2023-05-25 19:08:23	vqueiroz	I thought it was a penguin
2023-05-25 19:08:33	susi	yeah, why ever relinquish bad habits, they are habits after all
2023-05-25 19:10:30	susi	isn't there a saying, hmm what's it in english.. third time tells the truth
2023-05-25 19:10:51	tirnanog	third time's the charm?
2023-05-25 19:10:54	susi	maybe it's not an english saying at all
2023-05-25 19:11:07	susi	tirnanog: yeah, thanks!
2023-05-25 19:11:48	setpill	Why not `sudo killall -9 brave`?
2023-05-25 19:12:17	setpill	If we're going full hog anyway we should execute as root too
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2023-05-28 10:34:18	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1447 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1446 normals)
2023-05-28 10:19:37	onla	Opened an old laptop where I have used last time 2022 august, and probably updated around that time. Now when I do pacman -Syu, I get The requested URL returned error: 404 when trying to download some packages. I find some thread about not doing -Syy and -Syu being solution, but I'm tryna do -Syu in the first place
2023-05-28 10:20:53	gromit	onla: can you post the full output to a paste? I am not sure in which part the 404 occurs :)
2023-05-28 10:20:55	gromit	!paste
2023-05-28 10:20:55	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-05-28 10:21:07	NetSysFire	sounds a bit like a mirror that went down in the meantime to me
2023-05-28 10:21:47	gromit	NetSysFire: yeah that definitely could be
2023-05-28 10:22:15	NetSysFire	but yeah we need to verify it to make sure
2023-05-28 10:25:57	onla	https://pastebin.mozilla.org/XrvEXVhQ
2023-05-28 10:25:58	phrik	Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/XrvEXVhQ (Plain Text) (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
2023-05-28 10:31:28	gromit	onla: full output please, including the command you ran 
2023-05-28 10:34:18	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-05-28 10:38:56	onla	https://pastebin.mozilla.org/BgV9f2Yj
2023-05-28 10:38:57	phrik	Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/BgV9f2Yj (Plain Text) (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
2023-05-28 10:39:21	onla	oh there could be some other problems too. For those conflicts I read that those atk were merged and one should answer "y"
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2023-05-28 10:39:57	onla	I answered "y" actually on the next try. This paste I answered "n" lol
2023-05-28 10:40:05	onla	doesn't matter since it didn't do anything
2023-05-28 10:40:42	onla	merged or migrated
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2023-05-28 10:42:14	gromit	onla: I think the problem is that you sync the package databases from an out-of-sync mirror and then this version also does not exist on other servers that are tried 
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2023-05-28 10:43:29	gromit	onla: you could try to create a new mirrorlist from pacman-mirrorlist, reflector or https://archlinux.org/mirrorlist/
2023-05-28 10:43:30	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Pacman Mirrorlist Generator (at archlinux.org)
2023-05-28 10:43:38	abdulbasit1993	I have a dual boot setup with Arch Linux and Windows 11.. I can't copy files over to my NTFS partitions using KDE Dolphin file manager
2023-05-28 10:43:52	abdulbasit1993	please help
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2023-05-28 10:43:59	abdulbasit1993	I want to copy some important files
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2023-05-28 10:46:06	abdulbasit1993	when I open KDE Dolphin as admin, It won't let me copy files from my linux partition over to my NTFS partition
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2023-05-28 10:46:42	abdulbasit1993	it gives the following error
2023-05-28 10:46:43	abdulbasit1993	"Access Denied"
2023-05-28 10:46:43	abdulbasit1993	"Could not write to access denied"
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2023-05-28 10:47:25	abdulbasit1993	How can it be fixed? anyone has any idea?
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2023-05-28 10:49:55	gromit	abdulbasit1993: does the error occur on copying or while you are mounting the partition?
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2023-05-28 10:51:13	abdulbasit1993	gromit the error only occurs when copying the files
2023-05-28 10:51:38	abdulbasit1993	when I mount the partition it asks for the user password everytime
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2023-05-28 10:53:42	abdulbasit1993	gromit any solution for the error?
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2023-05-28 10:54:44	gromit	abdulbasit1993: i gotta go now, but you could mount the partition manually and see if that helps ... Also you can check how dolphin mounts (which mount options are set etc. by running "mount | grep /dev/sdXXX"
2023-05-28 10:54:48	gromit	good luck! 
2023-05-28 10:55:29	teraflops	in you are in a hurry use a usb stick
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2023-05-28 11:02:19	onla	https://pastebin.mozilla.org/XXzbKWWk
2023-05-28 11:02:22	phrik	Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/XXzbKWWk (Plain Text) (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
2023-05-28 11:02:47	onla	now the process is going through, but what should I answer here? It started badly though
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2023-05-28 11:03:51	onla	I'll delete it I guess I have to answer this prompt soon before it expires?
2023-05-28 11:05:13	onla	it prompts a lot of packages for same deletion
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2023-05-28 11:06:44	abdulbasit1993	please help with my issue
2023-05-28 11:06:58	abdulbasit1993	I don't have a spare USB stick with me right now
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2023-05-28 11:08:00	onla	https://pastebin.mozilla.org/VNLcd7Aw full log after I generated a new mirrorlist from https://archlinux.org/mirrorlist/ picking Finland as country
2023-05-28 11:08:01	akik	abdulbasit1993: can you mount the partition? the problem is just probably about file ownership
2023-05-28 11:08:01	phrik	Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/VNLcd7Aw (Plain Text) (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
2023-05-28 11:08:29	abdulbasit1993	akik yes I am able to mount the partition
2023-05-28 11:08:42	abdulbasit1993	but the problem is with file copying
2023-05-28 11:08:55	akik	abdulbasit1993: then open a terminal and use cd to enter that filesystem
2023-05-28 11:08:58	abdulbasit1993	the error it gives is "Access Denied"
2023-05-28 11:09:08	akik	onla: i noticed those two mirrors are not working
2023-05-28 11:09:55	◣	abdulbasit1993 (~abdulbasi@182.190.202.174) ha salido (Quit: Client closed)
2023-05-28 11:10:10	onla	two first ones on the list? I'll move them
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2023-05-28 11:11:56	akik	onla: arch.mcstrugs.org and mirror.arctic.lol
2023-05-28 11:12:58	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2023-05-28 11:13:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-05-28 11:13:34	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1451 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1450 normals)
2023-05-28 11:13:06	akik	abdulbasit1993: dolphin should mount it so that you can accecss it
2023-05-28 11:13:36	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-05-28 11:13:47	abdulbasit1993	akik Dolphin mounts it without any issues, but the main problem is that it doesn't let me copy files to the NTFS partition
2023-05-28 11:13:48	akik	abdulbasit1993: it's appear in /run/media/username
2023-05-28 11:14:07	akik	abdulbasit1993: which directory in ntfs?
2023-05-28 11:14:23	abdulbasit1993	akik the whole root directory of the partiton
2023-05-28 11:14:30	akik	abdulbasit1993: they should be all shown as your username as the owner
2023-05-28 11:14:35	abdulbasit1993	akik not just a specific directory
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2023-05-28 11:14:56	akik	abdulbasit1993: for me they're all shown as akik:akik
2023-05-28 11:15:05	abdulbasit1993	akik In Ubuntu, it lets me copy the files easily
2023-05-28 11:15:16	abdulbasit1993	akik but in Arch it simply refuses
2023-05-28 11:15:33	akik	that's weird
2023-05-28 11:15:55	abdulbasit1993	akik is there something to do with correct configuration or something?
2023-05-28 11:16:03	teraflops	do not run dolphin as root. check if the partition is mounted read/write. check if you have installed ntfs3g package
2023-05-28 11:16:04	akik	wow i see the issue also
2023-05-28 11:16:05	abdulbasit1993	akik if i'm missing anything
2023-05-28 11:16:21	akik	i can't copy files to ntfs with dolphin
2023-05-28 11:16:31	abdulbasit1993	akik exactly thats the issue
2023-05-28 11:16:53	abdulbasit1993	akik i'm searching for a possible solution, but can't find it anywhere
2023-05-28 11:17:03	akik	abdulbasit1993: do it through konsole
2023-05-28 11:17:27	abdulbasit1993	teraflops how to check if the mounted partition is read/write?
2023-05-28 11:17:53	abdulbasit1993	teraflops I also have installed the "ntfs-3g" package, as stated in the arch wiki
2023-05-28 11:17:53	onla	found answer, I'll try updating the keyrings. Removing those 2 mirrors solved that problem
2023-05-28 11:18:30	teraflops	mount command will list partitions
2023-05-28 11:18:37	akik	abdulbasit1993: i found something. you probably need to chmod 755 the directory you want to write to
2023-05-28 11:18:42	teraflops	mounted partitions
2023-05-28 11:19:10	teraflops	also https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NTFS
2023-05-28 11:19:12	phrik	Title: NTFS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-05-28 11:19:23	akik	i have no idea why dolphin doesn't allow it
2023-05-28 11:20:00	teraflops	abdulbasit1993: are you running dolphin as root?
2023-05-28 11:20:21	abdulbasit1993	teraflops no i'm not running dolphin as root
2023-05-28 11:20:21	akik	abdulbasit1993: yea chmod 755 the dir you want to write to on the ntfs, and then re-open dolphin
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2023-05-28 11:22:10	abdulbasit1993	so I should do "chmod 755 /run/media/<username>/<partition_label>"??
2023-05-28 11:22:28	akik	abdulbasit1993: the target dir you want to write to
2023-05-28 11:22:45	abdulbasit1993	akik can I chmod 755 to all the files and folders at once?
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2023-05-28 11:23:02	akik	abdulbasit1993: i wouldn't do it
2023-05-28 11:23:16	teraflops	if you cannot write to the dir you cannot chmod anything
2023-05-28 11:23:37	akik	teraflops: yes you can i just tested it
2023-05-28 11:23:52	akik	for some reason the Downloads dir was 555
2023-05-28 11:24:05	teraflops	abdulbasit1993: mount the partition manually as stated in the arch wiki page linked above
2023-05-28 11:24:24	akik	no need for that you just need chmod 755
2023-05-28 11:24:41	abdulbasit1993	teraflops I want to mount it using Dolphin, not the terminal
2023-05-28 11:24:47	teraflops	ok
2023-05-28 11:25:07	teraflops	I though you were in a rush and needed that asap
2023-05-28 11:25:17	teraflops	thought*
2023-05-28 11:25:30	abdulbasit1993	teraflops not in a rush, but i need to do it
2023-05-28 11:25:34	teraflops	ok
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2023-05-28 11:26:54	teraflops	perhaps it is mounte read only because you have fastboot enabled in windows
2023-05-28 11:27:53	onla	https://pastebin.mozilla.org/ivYQ3C9q
2023-05-28 11:27:54	phrik	Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/ivYQ3C9q (Plain Text) (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
2023-05-28 11:27:55	abdulbasit1993	teraflops I just saw an article online, it's saying to update the "/etc/fstab" file and adding the entry to the NTFS partition to it
2023-05-28 11:28:12	onla	hey now the pacman -Syu going through but there is an alarming problem
2023-05-28 11:28:14	abdulbasit1993	teraflops will it solve the issue?
2023-05-28 11:28:29	akik	abdulbasit1993: did you chmod 755 the target dir and re-open dolphin?
2023-05-28 11:28:32	teraflops	abdulbasit1993: dolphin uses udisk that do not need to edit nything in fstab
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2023-05-28 11:28:49	onla	==> Creating zstd-compressed initcpio image: '/boot/initramfs-linux-fallback.img' zstd: error 70 : Write error : cannot write block : No space left on device
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2023-05-28 11:29:22	onla	/dev/mmcblk2p1   96M   96M  3.0K 100% /boot
2023-05-28 11:29:24	teraflops	your boot if full
2023-05-28 11:29:26	teraflops	yeah
2023-05-28 11:29:31	abdulbasit1993	teraflops then how to configure udisk to enable writing to the NTFS partition?
2023-05-28 11:29:32	teraflops	96 MB dude
2023-05-28 11:29:43	akik	abdulbasit1993: are you reading my messages=
2023-05-28 11:29:54	onla	can I safely boot this computer? It just doesn't have a fallback, right?
2023-05-28 11:30:00	abdulbasit1993	akik ok i'll try it
2023-05-28 11:30:00	teraflops	akik: idk I do not use it sorry
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2023-05-28 11:30:08	teraflops	abdulbasit1993: I meant
2023-05-28 11:30:11	onla	how should I go about and increase /boot size hm
2023-05-28 11:30:25	teraflops	you gonna get some fun onla 
2023-05-28 11:31:17	teraflops	onla: as a workaround disable fallback image generation
2023-05-28 11:31:34	teraflops	that will give you sme espace
2023-05-28 11:31:36	teraflops	some
2023-05-28 11:31:56	onla	I find in ubuntu there is an autoremove command to remove unneeded kernel files
2023-05-28 11:32:10	teraflops	how many kernels d oyou have installed?
2023-05-28 11:32:23	onla	probably I don't have any extras
2023-05-28 11:32:30	onla	but if there is a command to try clean things up
2023-05-28 11:32:50	teraflops	onla: arch linux only have one linux package it is not versioned as in ubuntu
2023-05-28 11:32:54	abdulbasit1993	teraflops how to configure udisk then?
2023-05-28 11:33:03	teraflops	idk abdulbasit1993 I do not use it
2023-05-28 11:33:10	abdulbasit1993	teraflops I get "access denied" when I copy files
2023-05-28 11:33:25	akik	:)
2023-05-28 11:33:27	abdulbasit1993	teraflops after opening Dolphin as admin
2023-05-28 11:33:56	abdulbasit1993	teraflops Dolphin doesn't give option to paste files in the mounted NTFS partition folders
2023-05-28 11:34:14	teraflops	abdulbasit1993: I do not about dolphin or usidk I do not do dual boot and I do not use plasma, sorry
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2023-05-28 11:34:28	abdulbasit1993	teraflops but when I right click on Dolphin then open as administrator then it gives the paste option
2023-05-28 11:34:44	abdulbasit1993	teraflops okay no problem
2023-05-28 11:34:48	teraflops	sorry
2023-05-28 11:34:49	astralc	so you don't have user permission to the folder..
2023-05-28 11:35:14	abdulbasit1993	astralc how can I give user permission to the folder then? please guide
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2023-05-28 11:35:41	abdulbasit1993	astralc everytime when i mount the partition using Dolphin
2023-05-28 11:36:19	onla	teraflops: So I have done -Syu update after this computer was unused for 1 year. Now this /boot became full. Should I reinstall the kernel by instructing it to not make a fallback? But since I haven't used this for one year, isn't it risky to boot with a newly installed kernel without fallback? Or is it riskier to boot when this happened when it said cannot write to disk it's full
2023-05-28 11:36:25	astralc	1. mount option. 2. (not sure) chmod to the folder (when unmounted)
2023-05-28 11:36:59	teraflops	onla: try to make room first for the new kernel files by disabling fallback image generation
2023-05-28 11:37:15	onla	ok thanks
2023-05-28 11:37:23	abdulbasit1993	astralc how can I chmod to the folder when it is not mounted?
2023-05-28 11:37:24	teraflops	if it works, you can make room later when fixed
2023-05-28 11:37:30	akik	abdulbasit1993: chmod 755 the target dir and re-open dolphin
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2023-05-28 11:38:38	abdulbasit1993	akik when I chmod 755 to the target dir it gives this output:
2023-05-28 11:39:00	abdulbasit1993	Read-only file system
2023-05-28 11:39:28	akik	abdulbasit1993: ok that's the problem then. boot windows, disable fast startup in power options and try again
2023-05-28 11:39:44	teraflops	I already told him that
2023-05-28 11:39:46	abdulbasit1993	akik fast startup is already disabled in windows
2023-05-28 11:40:07	akik	abdulbasit1993: what's in dmesg about this problem
2023-05-28 11:40:30	abdulbasit1993	akik and its not the partition where windows is installed, its another data partition that i want to write to
2023-05-28 11:41:39	abdulbasit1993	akik the output from dmesg shows: "dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted
2023-05-28 11:41:39	abdulbasit1993	"
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2023-05-28 11:41:46	akik	abdulbasit1993: sudo dmesg
2023-05-28 11:42:31	abdulbasit1993	akik [ 2547.759557] ntfs3: sda5: RAW NTFS volume: Filesystem size 149.04 Gb > volume size 149.04 Gb. Mount in read-only
2023-05-28 11:42:36	abdulbasit1993	akik this is the line
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2023-05-28 11:42:44	onla	==> Image generation successful ==> Building image from preset: /etc/mkinitcpio.d/linux.preset: 'fallback' ==> WARNING: No image or UKI specified. Skipping image 'fallback' /dev/mmcblk2p1   96M   96M  3.0K 100% /boot
2023-05-28 11:42:57	akik	abdulbasit1993: try mounting it with mount -t ntfs-3g from the shell
2023-05-28 11:43:07	onla	so I guess it all went well. I reinstalled linux and linux-firmware
2023-05-28 11:43:17	onla	the /boot still seems awfully full
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2023-05-28 11:43:57	onla	can I try reboot or should I check something first?
2023-05-28 11:44:25	teraflops	onla: was grub updated?
2023-05-28 11:44:59	teraflops	there was an issue a couple of months ago, you have to reinstall grub and regenerate grub.cfg
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2023-05-28 11:46:51	onla	grub was updated and there are warnings about some incompatibilities in the pacman.log
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2023-05-28 11:48:29	onla	in the log it says in so that I should run grub-install and grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg or it's a log that it run that while installing. I'm not good at interpreting this log
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2023-05-28 11:49:28	onla	https://pastebin.mozilla.org/ZrUMpQZy
2023-05-28 11:49:29	phrik	Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/ZrUMpQZy (Plain Text) (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
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2023-05-28 11:52:25	onla	can I store them outside by editing that linux.preset file where I can disable fallback image?
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2023-05-28 11:56:30	onla	https://pastebin.mozilla.org/x0UpEs09
2023-05-28 11:56:32	phrik	Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/x0UpEs09 (Plain Text) (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
2023-05-28 11:56:46	onla	this is how the disks look on this small laptop/hybrid thing
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2023-05-28 11:59:14	akik	onla: so you're using the esp to store the kernel and initramfs?
2023-05-28 11:59:29	onla	no swap, so I would need to resize the / too I guess. Maybe I should just try boot and if it won't boot, then I just install everything over. It does have a lot of settings set up so not very much. It's just a backup I use on some trips
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2023-05-28 12:00:17	onla	akik: I don't know, I guess. Can I move them to / by editing linux.preset?
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2023-05-28 12:00:42	akik	onla: you have the esp mounted in /boot ?
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2023-06-02 20:49:41	dnikms	Hi, I want to upgrade ruby package, are merge requests open ?
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2023-06-02 20:50:14	Edu4rdSHL	dnikms, flag the package as out of date in the repo
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2023-06-02 20:53:23	dnikms	It is already, I have rebuilded the package locally, I want to push the changes...
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2023-06-02 21:49:38	jab416171	I think the salt package needs some dependencies added, how do I let the maintainers know?
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2023-06-02 21:50:10	Edu4rdSHL	jab416171, what problem are you having
2023-06-02 21:50:29	jab416171	I can't highstate without having python-jmespath and python-psutil installed
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2023-06-02 21:50:48	jab416171	pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: The 'jmespath' distribution was not found and is required by salt
2023-06-02 21:50:58	Edu4rdSHL	Report a bug in the bugtracker
2023-06-02 21:51:04	jab416171	and pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: The 'psutil>=5.0.0' distribution was not found and is required by salt
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2023-06-02 21:56:07	jab416171	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/78689
2023-06-02 21:56:08	phrik	Title: FS#78689 : [salt] pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: The 'jmespath' distribution was not found and is required (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2023-06-02 22:00:30	jab416171	great, now I'm having this issue too https://github.com/libgit2/pygit2/issues/1213
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2023-06-02 22:00:33	jab416171	canm'
2023-06-02 22:00:37	jab416171	can't downgrade either :(
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2023-06-02 23:07:32	rainbowtux	where can i find a bugs.archlinux.org admin?
2023-06-02 23:08:06	rainbowtux	i have an account apparently registered with my email address but since i return to arch after 11 years, i have no clue what my account might have been :)
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2023-06-04 11:21:20	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-06-04 11:21:20	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1431 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1429 normals)
2023-06-04 11:21:20	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-06-06 16:46:51	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
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2023-06-06 15:38:37	astralc	arseru: I think you disabled cookies, or set "delete on close"
2023-06-06 15:39:13	PMunch	I'm considering to set up a partition on this machine that would just work as a live USB stick. Just in case I'm ever locked out of my encrypted drive at least it would be possible to fix it without getting an external USB
2023-06-06 15:39:27	Furai	Hey, for whatever reason firefox developer edition (latest version) started crashing for me when I open print dialog. Has anyone experienced anything like this recently?
2023-06-06 15:39:55	arseru	astralc: it's weird, I'm only experiencing this with Gmail, all the other sessions seem to be persisted
2023-06-06 15:40:58	arseru	It might be something on their side, because I think the URL this morning was https://accounts.google.com/v2, and now it's showing https://accounts.google.com/v3
2023-06-06 15:41:26	Scimmia	Furai: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/78710
2023-06-06 15:41:28	phrik	Title: FS#78710 : [cups] 2.4.3-1 Firefox crashes when opening print-dialog (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-06-06 15:43:21	Furai	Scimmia, thanks!
2023-06-06 15:46:01	Furai	Hmm, seems hotfix is already released, so just need to wait patiently a bit. Great news. 
2023-06-06 15:50:50	PMunch	So I'm booting into my system, which has one EFI partition and one encrypted partition which has root and swap partitions as logical volumes. Now I want to resize the encrypted partition to leave a couple gigabytes unallocated at the end. Can I just resize the partition in Gparted?
2023-06-06 15:50:58	PMunch	Or would it just completely mess up my system?
2023-06-06 15:51:10	Namarrgon	backups first
2023-06-06 15:51:23	PMunch	Backup what?
2023-06-06 15:51:31	Namarrgon	everything important
2023-06-06 15:51:33	PMunch	I have backups of everything important on the system
2023-06-06 15:51:58	PMunch	Well, all the files I care about, I was wondering if there where anything system-wise I should backup
2023-06-06 15:51:59	Namarrgon	you can try gparted but i would just shrink the fs/lv/pv/container manually
2023-06-06 15:52:48	Namarrgon	backup anything that isn't easily replaceable; that could include your /etc, i don't know
2023-06-06 15:54:19	PMunch	Right, so gparted doesn't let me do it. It just shows me the sliders but I can't change them
2023-06-06 15:54:39	Namarrgon	are you still booted into that system?
2023-06-06 15:55:57	Namarrgon	i don't remember using gparted on anything LVM, it might not be able to handle it
2023-06-06 15:56:14	PMunch	Yeah I'm still booted into the system
2023-06-06 16:01:02	charlie5	mm, since the recent qemu updates, X keeps crashing in my virtual machines :/
2023-06-06 16:01:16	charlie5	not certain it is due to those updates
2023-06-06 16:01:26	charlie5	... but the timing is suggestive
2023-06-06 16:13:04	GuiToris	hey, Whenever I turn off the screen using the Fn + F7 key combination and then turn it back on using the same key combination, the screen lock activates automatically, requiring me to enter my password to unlock it
2023-06-06 16:13:10	GuiToris	can you help me turn this feature off?
2023-06-06 16:13:52	Edu4rdSHL	Depends on your DE/WM
2023-06-06 16:14:04	Edu4rdSHL	Also, it does happens even if you do it immediatly?
2023-06-06 16:30:08	GuiToris	oh
2023-06-06 16:30:15	GuiToris	I forgot to add this
2023-06-06 16:30:21	GuiToris	Edu4rdSHL, Kde plasma 5
2023-06-06 16:30:27	GuiToris	it didn't use to do it
2023-06-06 16:30:41	GuiToris	it's been doing it for 3 months now or so
2023-06-06 16:30:48	GuiToris	it's very irritating
2023-06-06 16:31:19	GuiToris	I looked through the settings but screenlock is not checked
2023-06-06 16:31:32	GuiToris	I don't know where I could find this setting
2023-06-06 16:34:28	Edu4rdSHL	GuiToris, also, it does happens even if you do it immediatly?
2023-06-06 16:35:26	Edu4rdSHL	https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=289&t=157137
2023-06-06 16:35:27	phrik	Title: Screen lock on Fn+F7 hotkey • KDE Community Forums (at forum.kde.org)
2023-06-06 16:36:03	Edu4rdSHL	> So, I found that an Fn+F7 in hotkeys menu associate as "Screensaver", and it's set in Shortcuts - System Settings - Lock Session - Global Alternate. 
2023-06-06 16:36:26	GuiToris	thanks, I searched for everything but I didn't find this
2023-06-06 16:38:54	GuiToris	this is so weird
2023-06-06 16:39:46	GuiToris	I didn't exactly find what it was in the comment, but I unchecked Screensaver's shortcut which was Ctrl+Alt+L, and now the issue has gone
2023-06-06 16:39:49	GuiToris	thanks a lot!!!!
2023-06-06 16:40:03	GuiToris	I've been struggling with this for months now
2023-06-06 16:42:20	Edu4rdSHL	:)
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2023-06-06 17:29:31	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1459 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1458 normals)
2023-06-06 17:23:31	low-key	how does one set the default font to be used for cjk?
2023-06-06 17:24:44	low-key	the actual question is how does one specify the font used in fcitx5? i have 3 japanese fonts (m plus 2, noto sans jp and source han serif jp) but it seems to be picking noto sans jp and i dunno why
2023-06-06 17:26:49	Momentum	low-key: i think you can use fontconfig's lang pattern
2023-06-06 17:27:54	Momentum	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Font_configuration/Examples#Japanese
2023-06-06 17:27:55	phrik	Title: Font configuration/Examples - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-06-06 17:28:37	low-key	oooh! lemme go try!
2023-06-06 17:29:31	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-06-06 17:42:34	low-key	that worked! thanks a lot!
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2023-06-06 17:47:03	bertieb	Another question about another minor annoyance, since y'all were so helpful earlier in clearing up the 'applications are slow to load' issue-
2023-06-06 17:47:05	bertieb	Recently (this year), my main monitor has stopped waking up properly after waking from suspend- it looks as though it's trying tio turn back on but it keeps going to a blank display-off-blank-off. The only thing that seems to interrupt this is manually toggling the display (xset dpms force off). How would I troubleshoot this one?
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2023-06-06 17:48:32	Ennea	have you checked your journal for any hints?
2023-06-06 17:49:31	bertieb	Ennea: I have previously, will check again now since it recently resumed from suspend
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2023-06-06 17:52:13	bertieb	there's nothing obvious to my eye 
2023-06-06 17:54:37	bertieb	I do see in the Xorg.0.log that the monitor is showing up as "connected" repeatedly
2023-06-06 17:54:57	bertieb	(the other two monitors seem to resume fine after suspend, fwiw)
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2023-06-06 18:00:59	ornx	hi, in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Linux_console/Keyboard_configuration it says that your personal keymap can be used to modify keys from the default keymap, but then it says to make your changes persistent you need to specify your keymap in the KEYMAP= line in /etc/vconsole.conf - will it still load the default keymap first if you set KEYMAP=<mycustomkeymap>?
2023-06-06 18:01:01	phrik	Title: Linux console/Keyboard configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-06-06 18:04:27	cedb	i just got two weird "suspend" triggers on my desktop
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2023-06-06 18:05:01	cedb	all i see in journlad is "starting cleanup of temporary directories" from systemd around that timestamp
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2023-06-06 18:06:53	mkoskar	ornx: no, you just crate separate keymap and that's it, don't have to copy other to just change it, you can include one in another
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2023-06-06 18:07:10	ornx	ahh so i gotta include it
2023-06-06 18:07:25	ornx	that makes sense
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2023-06-06 18:14:09	czard	how would I go about writing a package which overwrites /etc/nginx/nginx.conf?  
2023-06-06 18:14:26	czard	however dumb that sounds 
2023-06-06 18:14:33	Namarrgon	is that file owned by a package already?
2023-06-06 18:14:34	czard	I'm doing experiments
2023-06-06 18:14:39	czard	yes, "nginx-mainline"
2023-06-06 18:14:41	Namarrgon	then you don't mess with it
2023-06-06 18:15:01	cedb	 isnt there a directory for overrides?
2023-06-06 18:15:02	Namarrgon	what are you trying to achieve?
2023-06-06 18:15:03	czard	yeah that's the vibe I was getting
2023-06-06 18:15:22	czard	Namarrgon: I'm trying to setup a "sensible" configuration for home sites 
2023-06-06 18:15:39	Namarrgon	what does that imply in nginx's case?
2023-06-06 18:18:00	czard	install my package, go to mysite.lan, it serves a nice index.html and so on 
2023-06-06 18:18:00	czard	Namarrgon: well I wanted it to be aware of my index.html in a specific location
2023-06-06 18:18:00	cedb	czard: change the unit file
2023-06-06 18:18:00	czard	backup=('etc/nginx/nginx.conf') didn't seem to do the trick btw
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2023-06-06 18:18:00	czard	cedb: oh
2023-06-06 18:18:00	cedb	have the command for booting specify another config file
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2023-06-06 18:18:00	czard	oh
2023-06-06 18:18:00	cedb	eh s/booting/starting nginx
2023-06-06 18:18:00	czard	cedb: you mean the systemd nginx service file?
2023-06-06 18:18:00	cedb	well your package's
2023-06-06 18:18:00	czard	that sounds interesting!
2023-06-06 18:18:00	czard	https://git.sr.ht/~czardien/pkgbuild-nginx-nuance-conf-git
2023-06-06 18:18:00	phrik	Title: ~czardien/pkgbuild-nginx-nuance-conf-git - PKGBUILD for nginx-nuance-conf - sourcehut git (at git.sr.ht)
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2023-06-06 18:19:41	cedb	oh speach recognition hmm?
2023-06-06 18:19:52	czard	cedb: unrelated
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2023-06-06 18:19:56	cedb	right
2023-06-06 18:20:12	czard	but I see how you got misled
2023-06-06 18:20:35	cedb	anyway hav you looked at nginx's pkgbuild? 
2023-06-06 18:20:44	czard	yeah I was doing that 
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2023-06-06 18:21:10	czard	cedb: it sounds like I could have my package install a .service file, which starts nginx with the -c flag to point at my config file
2023-06-06 18:21:20	czard	is this what you were suggesting?
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2023-06-06 18:21:44	cedb	yeah you can just use the service from nginx's PKGBUILD and add -c to execstart 
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2023-06-06 18:22:42	cedb	i mean obv this might clash with the other pkg in terms of sockets but idk to what extent you wanna be like    
2023-06-06 18:22:45	cedb	friendly
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2023-06-06 18:24:10	czard	interesting
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2023-06-06 18:24:53	czard	nginx only provides a .service file, no .socket or anything
2023-06-06 18:25:01	czard	if I'm not mistaken 
2023-06-06 18:25:12	cedb	i just meant if nginx service tries to bind to localhost:80
2023-06-06 18:25:15	cedb	and you do too
2023-06-06 18:25:18	czard	oh ofc
2023-06-06 18:25:36	czard	yeah should keep an eye out for that
2023-06-06 18:26:26	czard	cedb: you have provided very insightful input I think I can get cracking and try that 
2023-06-06 18:26:36	czard	cedb: thank you
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2023-06-06 18:26:57	cedb	pleasure
2023-06-06 18:27:36	cedb	czard:  anyway heres an example from the aw https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/nginx#Alternative_script_for_systemd
2023-06-06 18:27:37	phrik	Title: nginx - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-06-06 18:56:04	solsTiCe	ok. I got it back running with vmplayer .../path/to.VM.vmx
2023-06-06 19:20:12	markboston	does wayland work with nvidia-dkms?
2023-06-06 19:22:56	Namarrgon	you mean compared to just 'nvidia'?
2023-06-06 19:23:55	markboston	well i can’t seem to get gnome to want to load it
2023-06-06 19:24:08	markboston	and it has worked before on this computer
2023-06-06 19:24:51	Namarrgon	is the nvidia module loaded?
2023-06-06 19:25:08	Namarrgon	have you set up early-kms?
2023-06-06 19:43:32	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-06-06 19:44:15	markboston	Namarrgon: yes i added it to dracut yesterday
2023-06-06 19:44:54	markboston	and i have the modeset driver set as well that’s what i was confused with
2023-06-06 19:45:12	markboston	the kms and early loading of the module
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2023-06-06 19:46:58	gromit	My nas remounted its root disk readonly, anything I should look at before I reboot it?  https://gist.github.com/christian-heusel/faa166b630a7bd418b3469bd4b2ead74
2023-06-06 19:47:09	gromit	the gist containst the output of dmesg
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2023-06-06 19:49:15	markboston	doesn’t seem like anything is wrong
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2023-06-06 19:49:49	Scimmia	markboston: is the module loaded at all?
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2023-06-06 19:49:58	markboston	what nas do you use? is it a specific hardware like synology
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2023-06-06 19:50:33	markboston	scimmia haven’t checked
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2023-06-06 19:52:16	markboston	tirnanog there isn’t a specific error that’s seg faults etc could be random if you look at any error log your always going to see issues
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2023-06-06 19:52:30	tirnanog	um, no?
2023-06-06 19:52:57	markboston	that’s how the microsoft scam is they have you look at the windows log files and are like see all the errors
2023-06-06 19:53:04	markboston	it’s normal
2023-06-06 19:55:13	tirnanog	you don't know what a segfault is.
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2023-06-06 19:56:38	teraflops	gromit: is sdc1 in a usb drive?
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2023-06-06 19:58:56	tirnanog	lsblk -o +tran would show whether it is, by the way. unless it's fully disconnected by now.
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2023-06-06 20:06:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-06-06 20:06:34	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1461 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1460 normals)
2023-06-06 20:06:36	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-06-06 20:07:47	gromit	teraflops: yes, its an SSD connected via a SSD -> SATA connector
2023-06-06 20:08:52	teraflops	idk if the reset usb error is a consequence or the cause
2023-06-06 20:09:17	Namarrgon	markboston: is this a laptop?
2023-06-06 20:09:28	Namarrgon	did you enable early-kms for the nvidia driver?
2023-06-06 20:09:34	markboston	yea alienware
2023-06-06 20:09:55	markboston	yes i was saying i got that confused with loading the module
2023-06-06 20:10:01	Namarrgon	what is in /proc/cmdline?
2023-06-06 20:10:11	gromit	teraflops: idk aswell .. I think the USB dongle could be the suspect here, since I swapped the SSD some time ago (to no avail as we see) 
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2023-06-06 20:11:48	markboston	Namarrgon: i’ll check in a minute i’m not updstairs
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2023-06-06 20:12:33	Namarrgon	ssh was invented so you no longer have to climb any stairs
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2023-06-06 20:13:23	vqueiroz	Is there a way to update all -git packages automatically?
2023-06-06 20:13:41	Namarrgon	a for-loop?
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2023-06-06 20:14:04	markboston	you could make a shell script i guess that would update them one by one in a group
2023-06-06 20:14:15	markboston	or a tor loop kinda the same thing
2023-06-06 20:15:01	gromit	vqueiroz: there are also some helpers which support this 
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2023-06-06 20:16:09	domainzero	yay and paru both have the --devel flag to update -git packages
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2023-06-06 20:26:32	markboston	Namarrgon: OOT_IMAGE=/@/boot/vmlinuz-linux-zen root=UUID=20ae2c22-d736-4a9e-8eb8-268a7f0d2b7a rw rootflags=subvol=@ nowatchdog nvme_load=YES nvidia-drm.modeset=1 loglevel=3 ec_sys.write_support=1 acpi_pm=reliable clocksource=acpi_pm
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2023-06-06 20:29:05	markboston	thats in /proc/cmdline
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2023-06-06 20:39:40	markboston	from my kind of educated opinion it seems to be loaded 
2023-06-06 20:39:59	teraflops	you do not have to guess
2023-06-06 20:40:04	teraflops	lsmod
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2023-06-06 20:42:31	markboston	huh?
2023-06-06 20:42:35	markboston	oh
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2023-06-06 20:43:26	markboston	hmm maybe not
2023-06-06 20:43:55	markboston	although its added to the kernal but all lsmod said was usage:lsmod
2023-06-06 20:44:14	astralc	lsmod|grep ...
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2023-06-06 20:44:27	markboston	helps to use the command correctly
2023-06-06 20:44:46	markboston	yea its not loaded
2023-06-06 20:44:53	markboston	why would that be?
2023-06-06 20:45:11	astralc	where ther 
2023-06-06 20:45:20	astralc	where the initrd in the cmdline?
2023-06-06 20:45:48	markboston	no it is
2023-06-06 20:46:10	markboston	its nvidia-drm to load it and to see it you type nvidia_drm
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2023-06-06 20:47:52	Namarrgon	"nvidia_drm" is a command you can execute?
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2023-06-06 20:48:50	Namarrgon	what does "nvme_load=YES" do?
2023-06-06 20:48:55	markboston	i searched using nvidia-drm but its loaded as nvidia_drm
2023-06-06 20:49:17	Namarrgon	- and _ are normalied to the same character when it comes to kernel modules
2023-06-06 20:49:25	Namarrgon	normalized even
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2023-06-06 20:50:55	markboston	Namarrgon: https://bpa.st/7CXFQ
2023-06-06 20:50:57	phrik	Title: View paste 7CXFQ (at bpa.st)
2023-06-06 20:51:17	markboston	im not sure how to get wgetpaste to show the output only two commands
2023-06-06 20:51:24	markboston	so just do a find for nvidia
2023-06-06 20:51:50	markboston	wgetpaste -c lsmod | grep nvidia didn't work
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2023-06-06 20:52:08	Namarrgon	you put wgetpaste at the end of the pipe
2023-06-06 20:52:11	Scimmia	markboston: this is an Optimus system?
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2023-06-06 20:52:30	markboston	Scimmia: yes but intel isn't loading 
2023-06-06 20:52:35	Scimmia	it is
2023-06-06 20:52:38	markboston	and no way to turn it on in bios
2023-06-06 20:52:50	Namarrgon	the igp is always on, you can't turn it off
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2023-06-06 20:53:07	Namarrgon	that is what the internal display is wired to
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2023-06-06 20:53:27	markboston	nope i have nvidia
2023-06-06 20:53:41	Scimmia	markboston: look up what Optimus is
2023-06-06 20:53:49	Namarrgon	you also have nvidia, in addition to the igp
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2023-06-06 20:54:28	meicceli	i have utf8 problem. for whatever reasons, some kanji wont show up properly anywhere yet e.g. emojis are displayed just fine. what could be the problem? e.g. the string "ひっくりかえってた2人" is displayed as empty boxes everywhere in my setup
2023-06-06 20:55:05	Scimmia	meicceli: could be as simple as missing a font that covers them
2023-06-06 20:55:07	meicceli	i should have my locale set properly to en_US.UTF-8, according to `$ locale`
2023-06-06 20:55:08	demonicmaniac1	then you don't have a font providing it?
2023-06-06 20:55:24	markboston	01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GA104M [GeForce RTX 3070 Mobile / Max-Q] (rev a1)
2023-06-06 20:55:25	teraflops	missing font, thet render ok here
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2023-06-06 20:55:31	teraflops	they^
2023-06-06 20:55:31	markboston	Namarrgon
2023-06-06 20:55:34	meicceli	im using dejavu sans mono which should have it
2023-06-06 20:55:43	markboston	only thing lspci shows
2023-06-06 20:55:46	Namarrgon	markboston: look at the rest of the lspci output, there's also an intel gpu
2023-06-06 20:55:47	Scimmia	markboston: yes, you have an nvidia card. We know that. That doesn't mean shit
2023-06-06 20:55:50	meicceli	i tried also terminess nerd font which also should have the fonts
2023-06-06 20:56:07	markboston	thats the only thing lspci shows 
2023-06-06 20:56:12	farkenvoid	there you go again
2023-06-06 20:56:12	meicceli	i have two computers with the same font so that shouldnt be it...
2023-06-06 20:56:12	Namarrgon	markboston: post the output...
2023-06-06 20:56:24	markboston	lspci | grep VGA
2023-06-06 20:56:28	Namarrgon	don't grep...
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2023-06-06 20:56:43	Namarrgon	you can use grep only when you know what you're roughly looking for
2023-06-06 20:56:50	Namarrgon	you don't know what you're looking for
2023-06-06 20:57:11	tlgl^nix	i have a question i have this process baloo_file_extractor using 99% of my disks io has been using it for about 15 hours it stays though reboots etc. I have no way I know how to find it. I tried killing it with ps aux grep then kill -9 pid and it returns. How can I find out what it is and what it is doing? is there anyway of pulling up the window that it is running the job on> I tried fg but
2023-06-06 20:57:11	tlgl^nix	since there are no held jobs nothing to 
2023-06-06 20:57:12	tlgl^nix	return as i never used bg
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2023-06-06 20:57:45	Scimmia	tlgl^nix: baloo is KDE's file indexer for quicker searching
2023-06-06 20:57:52	markboston	https://bpa.st/7OBC2
2023-06-06 20:57:54	phrik	Title: View paste 7OBC2 (at bpa.st)
2023-06-06 20:58:05	Namarrgon	markboston: 00:02.0 Display controller: Intel Corporation CometLake-H GT2 [UHD Graphics] (rev 05)
2023-06-06 20:58:06	Scimmia	if you don't need that, you can just disable it altogether
2023-06-06 20:58:46	tlgl^nix	true via kdes system settings i noticed that just i seen the baloo but why the file extractor?
2023-06-06 20:59:12	Scimmia	I would assume it has to extract compressed things to index them
2023-06-06 20:59:15	markboston	huh
2023-06-06 20:59:25	markboston	i could never get it to work before
2023-06-06 20:59:26	tlgl^nix	there is baloo_file and baloo_file_extractor i thought it had to do with a file extracting as in uncompressing files not indexing them
2023-06-06 21:00:00	Namarrgon	markboston: it is working or you wouldn't see anything on the internal display
2023-06-06 21:00:42	tlgl^nix	ok i see what it is doing under search it is 46% complete
2023-06-06 21:00:47	tlgl^nix	so i'll let it just finish then thanks 
2023-06-06 21:01:16	markboston	i tried once to use a switching program and it always gave me a blank screen so i assumed it wasn't loaded
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2023-06-06 21:01:36	Namarrgon	markboston: look up how optimus works
2023-06-06 21:01:45	Namarrgon	at least in theory
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2023-06-06 21:05:42	markboston	i know it lets you switch between intel and nvidia but i thought if you just had nvidia it would use that
2023-06-06 21:06:02	demonicmaniac1	meicceli: fc-list ":charset=3072"
2023-06-06 21:06:38	Namarrgon	markboston: when the nvidia gpu is used it draws to an internal buffer that gets passed to the intel gpu, which then draws that buffer to the internal screen
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2023-06-06 21:06:54	demonicmaniac1	meicceli: or rather wait - list is wrong - fc-match ":charset=3072" if that is empty you do not have a font claiming to provide said glyph
2023-06-06 21:07:02	Scimmia	markboston: but you don't, and can't, just have nvidia
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2023-06-06 21:10:38	gromit	Is it possible to chroot from a debian system into arch? Aka without using arch-chroot but instead just using chroot
2023-06-06 21:10:58	tlgl^nix	you can install arch-chroot on debian though there is arch tools
2023-06-06 21:11:06	Scimmia	sure, arch-chroot is just a simple scipt that mounts some things first
2023-06-06 21:11:13	tlgl^nix	I had a almost working system before i gave up and installed arch
2023-06-06 21:11:23	Scimmia	IIRC, there's a wiki page that tells you what all to mount
2023-06-06 21:11:42	tlgl^nix	yea it just does that proc etc 
2023-06-06 21:11:54	tlgl^nix	that=the
2023-06-06 21:12:20	teraflops	yes there is a wiki page
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2023-06-06 21:14:34	gromit	alright, so I'd just do the chroot like I would do from debian to debian 
2023-06-06 21:14:36	gromit	!+1
2023-06-06 21:14:36	phrik	👍
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2023-06-06 21:14:49	teraflops	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_from_existing_Linux
2023-06-06 21:14:51	phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux from existing Linux - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-06-06 21:15:24	Scimmia	gromit: right
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2023-06-06 21:15:50	teraflops	I think you want method b chroot steps
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2023-06-06 21:16:32	gromit	teraflops, Scimmia: thanks, lets see how it goes ^^
2023-06-06 21:16:36	Scimmia	teraflops: I was thinking of https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Chroot#Using_chroot
2023-06-06 21:16:37	phrik	Title: chroot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-06-06 21:17:06	teraflops	oh yes I was there and I missed it
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2023-06-06 21:17:56	tirnanog	the warning in the latter article is properly addressed by the use of --make-rslave in the other articles, which is important for systemd-based environments.
2023-06-06 21:19:01	tirnanog	(because systemd makes bind mounts shared by default, allowing mount events to propagate upwards - undesirably in this scenario)
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2023-06-06 21:19:59	tirnanog	well, upwards is the wrong word, but you get the idea. back to the mount point that was originally bound.
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2023-06-07 17:39:27	jensen	i did a fresh install and with both the package emacs and emacs-nativecomp, starting 'emacs' (/usr/bin/emacs) only starts in terminal instead of GUI. also using evil and not sure if system-clipboard not working with is related (clipboard works elsewhere, including neovim). any ideas?
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2023-06-07 17:48:10	teraflops	brew u
2023-06-07 17:48:14	teraflops	oops
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2023-06-07 18:06:26	gehidore	no u!
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2023-06-07 18:19:27	ℹ 	cdown_ es conocido ahora como cdown
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2023-06-07 18:24:01	DeepDayze	lol wrong window there teraflops ?
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2023-06-07 18:33:38	teraflops	yeah sorry wrong window
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2023-06-07 18:47:38	mingdao	strange brew ;)
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2023-06-08 18:19:05	Rasi	hmm, i get the message unable to lock database when trying to use pacman
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2023-06-08 18:19:09	Rasi	there is NO lock file
2023-06-08 18:19:23	Rasi	rm: cannot remove '/var/lib/pacman/db.lck': No such file or directory
2023-06-08 18:19:37	Rasi	error: failed to synchronize all databases (unable to lock database)
2023-06-08 18:19:43	mpan	Rasi: are you sure yours is located in that location?
2023-06-08 18:19:52	Rasi	i never changed the defaults
2023-06-08 18:20:16	mpan	Is there no issue with the file system itself or the SSD/HHD?
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2023-06-08 18:20:34	Rasi	i had a message that filesystem was full from docker
2023-06-08 18:20:40	Rasi	but no pacman was running at the time
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2023-06-08 18:20:56	Rasi	instantly cleaned up and rebooted
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2023-06-08 18:23:46	Rasi	ok i guess i need a bootable usb then and check filesystem
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2023-06-08 18:23:46	mpan	I put 5 on% this being the cause, after your further explanation. But I also have no ideas for the other 95%, so let it be.
2023-06-08 18:23:46	mpan	5% *
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2023-06-08 18:24:14	mpan	What are permissions for “/var/lib/pacman” ?
2023-06-08 18:24:35	Rasi	drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 18  8. Jun 17:43 /var/lib/pacman
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2023-06-08 18:25:38	Rasi	ok yeah, there seems to be a corruption
2023-06-08 18:25:42	Rasi	error: could not lock database: No space left on device
2023-06-08 18:25:46	Rasi	/dev/nvme0n1p2  100G   68G   33G  68% /
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2023-06-08 18:26:36	mpan	Are you able to write anything to this device?
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2023-06-08 18:29:51	Rasi	no
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2023-06-08 18:30:43	Rasi	mount says its mounted rw tho
2023-06-08 18:31:15	mpan	Then I would say: hardware malfunction.
2023-06-08 18:31:27	mpan	(the nvme itself)
2023-06-08 18:31:46	HuntsMan	Rasi: is it a btrfs filesystem?
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2023-06-08 18:31:56	Rasi	it is
2023-06-08 18:33:50	HuntsMan	Rasi: could be one of these: https://serverfault.com/questions/790464/btrfs-no-space-left-on-device-but-btrfs-command-says-otherwise
2023-06-08 18:33:51	phrik	Title: ubuntu - BTRFS: "no space left on device", but btrfs command says otherwise - Server Fault (at serverfault.com)
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2023-06-08 18:38:14	ppw	does arch provide a livegui iso?
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2023-06-08 18:39:21	coruja	ppw: no
2023-06-08 18:39:27	ppw	ok thanks
2023-06-08 18:39:36	quitman	ppw: maybe manjaro is for you
2023-06-08 18:39:57	coruja	quitman: don't suggest manjaro pls
2023-06-08 18:40:03	quitman	sorry.
2023-06-08 18:40:25	ppw	I'm just trying to quickly test out my laptop graphics support, not really choosing a distro
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2023-06-08 18:41:22	coruja	ppw: maybe the arch wiki has any hints concerning your gfx hardware?
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2023-06-08 18:48:20	ppw	I don't think you can really easily fix nouveau's poor hardware support for mobile graphics that nvidia has abandoned years ago.
2023-06-08 18:49:19	ppw	I get a garbled display when I boot other live distros, so I'm trying to find the one that won't give me that
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2023-06-08 18:52:34	coruja	i'm not sure if already some have failed that there will be success with another one running gfx fine ootb, but good luck, and the arch iso is no help here unfortunately
2023-06-08 18:53:14	ppw	it's all-around very odd. this issue was present in the older 5.x kernels, but then disappeared around 5.10.
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2023-06-08 18:54:03	coruja	and reoccurred later?
2023-06-08 18:54:14	coruja	(with later kernels i mean)
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2023-06-08 18:54:59	ppw	well, for instance, right now, my 6.1.0-9 debian kernel shows no issues. but a ubuntu mate 23.04 live iso with kernel 6.2 does give me issues. I don't know what's going on here, honestly.
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2023-06-08 18:55:21	ppw	but this is off-topic to arch, so I shouldn't really continue talking.
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2023-06-08 18:57:18	coruja	then i would recommend staying with the one (for a while at least) that works for you and your hardware, as long as you don't have any preferences concerning linux distributions
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2023-06-08 18:57:58	coruja	but of course feel free to give arhc linux a try :)
2023-06-08 18:58:04	coruja	*arch
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2023-06-08 19:09:50	Rasi	HuntsMan: yes, it was the metadata
2023-06-08 19:10:07	Rasi	had to add an empty disk to the partition so it had something to work with while balancing
2023-06-08 19:10:20	mpan	Rasi: so not a hardware damage? :D
2023-06-08 19:10:24	Rasi	no
2023-06-08 19:10:29	mpan	Good to hear.
2023-06-08 19:11:31	mpan	So in 2023 “btrfs ate my data” is no longer true. Instead, “btrfs ate my free space” is. ;)
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2023-06-08 19:23:24	HuntsMan	Rasi: :)
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2023-06-08 20:06:50	DeepDayze	Btrfs is a space eater alright...you might need a 1TB rootfs to hold all the snapshots and metadata 🙂
2023-06-08 20:07:44	DeepDayze	true that btrfs is getting more and more rock solid and the data corruption blues are pretty much in the past
2023-06-08 20:08:59	mefistofeles	DeepDayze: snapshots shouldn't take much space, it would be only metadata, but I don't recall it requiring a lot of space
2023-06-08 20:09:17	mefistofeles	that said, I haven't  played with btrfs for years now
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2023-06-08 20:24:05	DeepDayze	Ah good to know mefistofeles 
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2023-06-08 20:51:57	eoli3n	i need to test HL on my irc client, what's the bot name here, i remember that it can trigger HL
2023-06-08 20:53:29	gehidore	eoli3n wanting to test highlighting?
2023-06-08 20:54:10	eoli3n	thanks
2023-06-08 20:54:57	NetSysFire	you can /query phrik
2023-06-08 20:55:02	gehidore	eoli3n no problem
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2023-06-09 00:57:37	markboston	how do i tell pacman which repo to use to download a package?
2023-06-09 00:58:00	Namarrgon	pacman -S repo/package
2023-06-09 00:58:04	Namarrgon	what are you trying to do?
2023-06-09 00:58:18	Namarrgon	remember that partial updates are unsupported and will break your system
2023-06-09 00:58:20	tpr	markboston: I think it's called mirrors.list or something like this, if you are looking to adjust _where_ the packages are downloaded
2023-06-09 00:58:49	markboston	no i need to get a specific version of a package
2023-06-09 00:58:57	markboston	not the location of where it is
2023-06-09 00:59:04	Namarrgon	arch doesn't keep multiple versions in the repos
2023-06-09 00:59:51	markboston	ok im not asking this right
2023-06-09 01:01:23	markboston	lets say you have package a and unstable package a after adding the repo for unstable package a how do i tell pacman use unstable not the regular one
2023-06-09 01:01:33	Namarrgon	pacman -S repo/package
2023-06-09 01:01:43	Namarrgon	but again, partial updates are bad
2023-06-09 01:01:52	Scimmia	-Syu <package>
2023-06-09 01:02:03	Scimmia	the repo order in pacman.conf choses which one to use
2023-06-09 01:06:48	Scimmia	pacman doesn't keep track of what repo things are in, if that's what you're thinking
2023-06-09 01:07:06	Scimmia	or rather which ones they were in when you installed them
2023-06-09 05:52:13	dviola	correct me if I'm wrong but AL is mostly pacman + many PKGBUILDs, is that right? would it be possible to take the PKGBUILDs and build AL entirely from source?
2023-06-09 05:53:05	mpan	dviola: no, you also need the community. Sources for the community are not published. ;)
2023-06-09 05:53:30	mpan	dviola: other than that: you only need PKGBUILDs, as pacman itself is also having a PKGBUILD. Plus archiso, if you want it.
2023-06-09 05:54:43	mpan	(the first comment is not entirely whimsical; think about that regarding e.g. getting support for Arch constructed the way you described)
2023-06-09 05:56:20	dviola	community being?
2023-06-09 05:56:35	mpan	The project itself and support.
2023-06-09 05:56:42	Berzerkula	not a bad read https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/how-to-install-arch-linux/
2023-06-09 05:56:43	phrik	Title: The Arch Linux Handbook – Learn Arch Linux for Beginners (at www.freecodecamp.org)
2023-06-09 05:57:23	Berzerkula	explains community in the handbook
2023-06-09 05:59:29	mpan	dviola: to get support you must run a system, which is not partially upgraded, and expected to have it updated. That may be hard to achieve with your own build. And that before we get into packages being built with wrong dependency versions, because it will be complicated to reproduce building order.
2023-06-09 06:00:25	mpan	So the purely technical answer is: yes, you can get all the packages from Arch by just using PKGBUILDs (and archiso if the live medium is needed). But this will very likely not be considered Arch anymore.
2023-06-09 06:01:39	dviola	mpan: I want to build mostly base and get a booting system with bash, not the whole core + extra repo
2023-06-09 06:01:45	dviola	for learning purposes only
2023-06-09 06:02:16	mpan	For learning only: sure.
2023-06-09 06:02:22	Scimmia	you'll likely run into a few things that fail to build
2023-06-09 06:02:33	mpan	But bootstrapping gcc will be royal pain.
2023-06-09 06:02:47	Scimmia	bootstrap from a running Arch system
2023-06-09 06:03:03	mpan	Hmm…
2023-06-09 06:04:16	Berzerkula	mpan, what is your end goal?
2023-06-09 06:04:28	mpan	Berzerkula: I think you mean dviola.
2023-06-09 06:04:44	Berzerkula	ah, you are correct. dviola.
2023-06-09 06:06:28	Berzerkula	Sounds like you could get away with creating a custom arch target with min-core or however you with to name it. pacman install the minimal.
2023-06-09 06:07:12	Berzerkula	or strip it all away once it is in there
2023-06-09 06:07:34	Berzerkula	In which case I think Arch isn't your target OS
2023-06-09 06:08:20	dviola	hmm... I see, thanks y'all
2023-06-09 06:10:19	Berzerkula	curious about this. is this a legit book or a knock off? https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/how-to-install-arch-linux/
2023-06-09 06:10:20	phrik	Title: The Arch Linux Handbook – Learn Arch Linux for Beginners (at www.freecodecamp.org)
2023-06-09 06:11:21	sheep	this is not offficially endorsed by arch
2023-06-09 06:11:42	Berzerkula	glad I scrapped it. freecodecamp made me wary
2023-06-09 06:11:43	sheep	all official documentation is on archlinux.org or one of its subdomains
2023-06-09 07:12:17	dviola	I really like how archlinux does things, I don't think I appreciated that enough until I started dailydriving gentoo this year
2023-06-09 07:29:30	Disguised	I am using virt manager and whenever I try to create a vm it shows this error - https://i.imgur.com/0C2U0XX.png
2023-06-09 07:29:44	Disguised	Can anyone help me ?
2023-06-09 07:32:38	Berzerkula	Disguised: looks pretty bleh, have you tried systemd-nspawn, works awesome
2023-06-09 07:34:04	Berzerkula	don't have to rely on a connection from somewhere else to connect a vm
2023-06-09 07:34:14	Disguised	Why do I need an alternative to chroot ? I want to use virt manager so that I can create vms. I loaded all of the kvm modules , enabled vt - x in bios and still I am getting this error. Earlier it uses to work flawlessly
2023-06-09 07:34:54	Disguised	used to work flawlessly *
2023-06-09 07:34:57	Berzerkula	well, the host uses systemd, so it isn't an alternative. and chrooting is old school, systemd-nspawn would do it all
2023-06-09 07:35:26	Berzerkula	Hmmm yeah the used to work is a siuation.
2023-06-09 07:35:28	Edu4rdSHL	Disguised, is libvirtd running?
2023-06-09 07:39:12	Disguised	Edu4rdSHL: libvirtd.service Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/libvirtd.service; enabled; preset: disabled) Active: active (running) since Fri 2023-06-09 09:38:58 IST; 1h 29min ago
2023-06-09 07:39:34	Disguised	It is active and running fine 
2023-06-09 07:43:10	Berzerkula	anything out of the ordinary whith journalctl and libvirtd
2023-06-09 07:43:14	Berzerkula	?
2023-06-09 07:44:25	Disguised	Berzerkula: journalctl -b here - https://c-v.sh/jetdownstate.txt
2023-06-09 07:44:46	Disguised	:/
2023-06-09 07:45:17	Disguised	I don't think anything is sus there but u can take a look at it because I am not an expert in reading journalctl logs.
2023-06-09 07:47:13	Berzerkula	someone else may get another idea, archissexy system seems to be fine with the virt devices.
2023-06-09 07:47:54	Edu4rdSHL	Disguised, is qemu-desktop installed?
2023-06-09 07:49:11	Disguised	Edu4rdSHL: qemu-desktop 8.0.2-1 installed
2023-06-09 07:49:14	Disguised	it is 
2023-06-09 07:49:18	Disguised	installed
2023-06-09 07:50:21	Edu4rdSHL	pacman -Q linux && uname -r
2023-06-09 07:51:56	Disguised	??????
2023-06-09 07:52:01	Disguised	I am using linux-zen
2023-06-09 07:52:18	Disguised	uname -r = 6.3.6-zen1-1-zen
2023-06-09 07:57:46	Disguised	Edu4rdSHL: When I do virsh net-list it give me no virtual network adapters idk why 
2023-06-09 07:58:03	Disguised	also I cannot see my nat adapters when I do ip addr
2023-06-09 08:07:11	Edu4rdSHL	I hate to say it, but, have you tried rebooting?
2023-06-09 08:13:15	Disguised	I am updating my pc rn after the update I will reboot
2023-06-09 08:15:22	MacKenia	What is process "Isolated" doing?
2023-06-09 08:17:10	Edu4rdSHL	MacKenia, context
2023-06-09 08:20:01	MacKenia	And it frequently occupies lots of CPU resources, which makes my fans loud.
2023-06-09 08:50:36	Disguised	I rebooted and got the same error https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=286377
2023-06-09 08:50:37	phrik	Title: Virt manager shows "Error: No active connection to install on" / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-06-09 08:50:42	Disguised	bruh
2023-06-09 08:53:41	karthy	hello
2023-06-09 08:54:00	karthy	plex working with dnsmasq but not with systemd-resolved
2023-06-09 08:54:01	Berzerkula	Try to search your issue? I mean, it can't be that difficult. Don't like to use reddit, but hell, if the whackows there can do it, you can, too. Sheesh https://www.reddit.com/r/kvm/comments/ku1b6m/i_get_errorno_active_connection_to_install_on/
2023-06-09 08:54:02	phrik	Title: I get "Error:No active connection to install on." when I try to create a vm in Virt Manager : kvm (at www.reddit.com)
2023-06-09 08:54:37	Berzerkula	ugh
2023-06-09 08:55:02	Berzerkula	doubt the arch wiki would help them
2023-06-09 08:58:09	Disguised	Berzerkula: https://i.imgur.com/QnCSZg7.png
2023-06-09 08:58:26	Disguised	not working 
2023-06-09 08:58:28	Disguised	:/
2023-06-09 08:59:57	Berzerkula	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KVM
2023-06-09 08:59:58	phrik	Title: KVM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-06-09 09:01:31	Disguised	Berzerkula: My vm was working fine last month
2023-06-09 09:01:39	Disguised	I already added the modules
2023-06-09 09:01:49	Berzerkula	restore to last month and use it
2023-06-09 09:01:51	Disguised	and loaded it with modprobe
2023-06-09 09:02:02	Disguised	I don't have timeshift
2023-06-09 09:02:06	Berzerkula	you do have backups, right?
2023-06-09 09:02:11	Disguised	no
2023-06-09 09:02:33	Berzerkula	Good, now you get to figure out the software you use and become intimate with it.
2023-06-09 09:02:48	Berzerkula	so what changed?
2023-06-09 09:02:58	Ennea	geez Berzerkula, you seem a little too grumpy
2023-06-09 09:03:35	Berzerkula	usualy response to someone who doesn't know how to troubleshoot
2023-06-09 09:03:47	Disguised	Berzerkula: Using arch for 5 years mate fuck u 
2023-06-09 09:03:48	Berzerkula	Ennea: how would you troubleshoot this?
2023-06-09 09:04:26	Disguised	Berzerkula: U don't know how to fix this shit then why are u helping me ?
2023-06-09 09:04:28	coruja	Disguised: mind your language pls
2023-06-09 09:04:32	Ennea	i dunno, dive into the wiki some and then ask here if nothing helps. the latter of which is what Disguised is doing, but you seem overly disgruntled
2023-06-09 09:04:35	Disguised	coruja: He started first
2023-06-09 09:04:38	Disguised	tell him 
2023-06-09 09:04:51	Ennea	yea yea, well, no reason to insult them
2023-06-09 09:05:01	Ennea	i'm sure your irc client has an ignore feature
2023-06-09 09:06:14	Disguised	Ennea: I read the wiki properly. Please trust me. Berzerkula is not helping me and telling that "I don't know how to troubleshoot stuff". Instead of troubleshooting libvirt problems he is asking me the output of comamnds like "uname -r" like what the hell man
2023-06-09 09:06:32	Disguised	Whats is the point of uname -r ?
2023-06-09 09:06:37	Ennea	i'm not saying you didn't, i just answered Berzerkula's question on what _i_ would do
2023-06-09 09:07:13	Ennea	uname -r just prints your kernel version, and is often just used to figure out what kernel version somebody is running, because it can often be important to troubleshoot
2023-06-09 09:07:26	Berzerkula	It worked a while ago, just restore the backup to then and it works again. Why use a system ya don't know how to use. All I'm stating.
2023-06-09 09:08:03	Ennea	you're really not helping it, Berzerkula 
2023-06-09 09:08:27	Disguised	Berzerkula: I am not an uneducated person using linux u know. I am a computer science student who know c , cpp , rust and many other programming language.I am using linux for many years. 
2023-06-09 09:08:29	Ennea	nothing wrong with not knowing something about your system, we all gotta start somewhere. i've learned a great deal about arch and linux in general by asking questions in here
2023-06-09 09:08:35	Disguised	I can give u my resume if u want
2023-06-09 09:08:44	Ennea	well, you two have fun
2023-06-09 09:08:47	Ennea	what was the thing?
2023-06-09 09:08:49	Ennea	!bail
2023-06-09 09:08:49	phrik	Looks like Ennea is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2023-06-09 09:09:22	Berzerkula	probalby user lacking kvm privs
2023-06-09 09:10:12	Disguised	Berzerkula: U just don't know how to fix things. Something goes wrong and u just restore ur old snapshot. It proves that u don't know ur operating system that well.
2023-06-09 09:10:18	Disguised	think about it for a moment
2023-06-09 09:10:35	Berzerkula	read your logs
2023-06-09 09:10:48	Berzerkula	systemctl isn't there for fun nor is journalctl
2023-06-09 09:11:10	Disguised	Yes and I got no errors. 
2023-06-09 09:11:14	Disguised	all are warnings 
2023-06-09 09:11:31	Disguised	I gave u the logs and told u that there is nothing sus
2023-06-09 09:11:41	Berzerkula	if all you are looking for are errors and not warnings or info ou are looking for tail without any action.
2023-06-09 09:12:32	Disguised	I also looked at the warnings but none of them "looked sus".
2023-06-09 09:12:45	Disguised	I copy pasted them into google and got no results
2023-06-09 09:14:00	Berzerkula	so what changed between when it worked and now? hardware change? software update?
2023-06-09 09:15:06	Disguised	arch is rolling release distro so I will have to update and no I didn't change any hardware.
2023-06-09 09:15:52	Berzerkula	so did it overwrite a config you had?
2023-06-09 09:17:10	mpan	Disguised: a few days ago you asked about systemd timers and quarter hour period. You left before I could answer. One of the format would indicate each-15-min, the other is invalid IIRC. See `systemd-analyze calendar` for testing.
2023-06-09 09:18:32	coruja	mpan: i recall having dropped a 'no' to his question if both are equal
2023-06-09 09:19:02	Disguised	mpan: Ye because I read the systemd.timer man page. Thanks for  the help :D .
2023-06-09 09:22:03	mpan	coruja: oh, ok. I did not see the answer and Disguised left. :)
2023-06-09 09:22:39	Berzerkula	I would also suggest to not be hasty in determining someone's troubleshooting skills. YOu never know who is lurking here. Let's be professional here.
2023-06-09 11:02:25	Allie	there is absolutely nothing wrong with rolling back to a snapshot 
2023-06-09 11:02:45	Allie	especially with a beast as big and unwieldy as arch 
2023-06-09 11:24:25	Bco1981	keep big data on seperate drive. and fsarchive the OS drive before updating
2023-06-09 11:31:12	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-06-09 12:16:30	pro	hi, I've managed to connect telegraf -> influxdb -> grafana, and now I have a conceptual question, should I create a separate "table" ("bucket") for each machine that has telegraf installed? Or is it possible to ship everything to one "table" and figure out by hostname which data is for which hostname
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2023-06-09 12:31:52	bertieb	pro: I'm no expert, but you can filter by 'host' if you have multiple hosts in the one bucket
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2023-06-10 11:37:21	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
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2023-06-10 00:55:03	tux	maybe this is not the right channel for my question
2023-06-10 01:05:38	ju6ge	alerque: no sadly does not work, I think the hyprland headers need to be under $pkgdir/usr/include/hyprland/src
2023-06-10 01:06:12	ju6ge	alerque: you can use this plugin aur to test … https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/hy3-git ;)
2023-06-10 01:06:14	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - hy3-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-06-10 01:08:32	ju6ge	alerque: also with the new version building the package only worked for me using `pkgctl build` using makepkg failed with a cpp compiler error 🤨
2023-06-10 01:23:14	NubiaMeow	Evening folks - I'm having some issues getting useful output from journalctl. Using the command sudo journalctl -rb0 returns this: https://paste.rs/uN2i1.txt
2023-06-10 01:23:15	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-06-10 01:24:51	Namarrgon	what are you looking for?
2023-06-10 01:26:49	NubiaMeow	Namarrgon: X11 related stuff - my display won't stay rotated after a reboot
2023-06-10 01:29:31	NubiaMeow	I can't even rotate it under Wayland with the settings menu throwing an error citing hardware limitations
2023-06-10 01:31:43	NubiaMeow	Under Xorg, I need to rotate it through nvidia-settings due to the same error
2023-06-10 01:32:06	NubiaMeow	It's a pain to diagnose with no output from journalctl
2023-06-10 01:49:12	Namarrgon	NubiaMeow: can you post the whole -b journal?
2023-06-10 01:50:41	NubiaMeow	Namarrgon: https://paste.rs/wqA6F.txt
2023-06-10 01:50:42	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-06-10 01:52:38	Namarrgon	that's only 20 lines, no?
2023-06-10 01:53:02	NubiaMeow	That's the full output
2023-06-10 01:53:13	Namarrgon	for "sudo journalctl -b"?
2023-06-10 01:53:17	NubiaMeow	Yes
2023-06-10 01:53:20	coruja	maybe only one page?
2023-06-10 01:53:35	Namarrgon	are you piping the output into some paste client?
2023-06-10 01:53:54	NubiaMeow	Nope, copy and pasted straight from the terminal
2023-06-10 01:54:06	coruja	so only one page
2023-06-10 01:54:12	NubiaMeow	That's correct
2023-06-10 01:54:22	Namarrgon	post the the whole output, not just one page
2023-06-10 01:54:38	NubiaMeow	That's the full output
2023-06-10 01:54:40	Namarrgon	...
2023-06-10 01:54:48	Namarrgon	sudo journalctl -b > journal-output.txt
2023-06-10 01:54:50	NubiaMeow	The full output is < 1 page
2023-06-10 01:54:55	coruja	!give NubiaMeow journal
2023-06-10 01:54:56	phrik	NubiaMeow: journalctl -b |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2023-06-10 01:55:21	NubiaMeow	https://paste.rs/6Hfki%
2023-06-10 01:55:40	NubiaMeow	Oops! https://paste.rs/6Hfki
2023-06-10 01:55:51	Namarrgon	what about -b-1?
2023-06-10 01:56:13	NubiaMeow	https://paste.rs/fe2qT
2023-06-10 01:56:50	Namarrgon	--no-pager
2023-06-10 01:57:19	NubiaMeow	Should I use that with b-1 or just b?
2023-06-10 01:57:23	Namarrgon	just -b
2023-06-10 01:57:48	NubiaMeow	https://paste.rs/xkGsG
2023-06-10 01:58:33	coruja	is your journal somehow limited in size?
2023-06-10 01:59:01	coruja	usually it's a wall of text after seconds
2023-06-10 02:00:22	NubiaMeow	Yeah, I'm used to it being *many* pages - not sure what I could have changed that would've limited it
2023-06-10 02:02:16	coruja	but the limits set in the upper part of your journal are far from reached
2023-06-10 02:04:05	NubiaMeow	Thinking about it, the only thing that's changed is the new monitor... I'll try rebooting without it plugged in
2023-06-10 02:07:50	NubiaMeow	No dice :(
2023-06-10 02:08:03	coruja	i can hardly imagine a monitor limiting the size of the journal
2023-06-10 02:08:23	coruja	anyway, what about the xorg log?
2023-06-10 02:10:09	NubiaMeow	Is that going to be Xorg.0.log or Xorg.1.log?
2023-06-10 02:10:24	coruja	0
2023-06-10 02:10:48	NubiaMeow	https://paste.rs/0Sm43
2023-06-10 02:11:43	Namarrgon	can you post the dmesg output?
2023-06-10 02:12:02	Namarrgon	that was an old xorg log
2023-06-10 02:12:39	NubiaMeow	https://paste.rs/AcRaP - That looks more helpful
2023-06-10 02:44:33	Huntro	/#join vim
2023-06-10 03:48:23	greentail	will more people move from the archLinux subreddit to this IRC channel? Or where will they go to?  
2023-06-10 03:49:26	yitz	Many Reddit users don't use IRC
2023-06-10 03:49:47	pktalgo	the matrix channel is also an option
2023-06-10 03:50:22	greentail	Where is there more activity? In the matrix channel? Or in this IRC channel?  
2023-06-10 03:51:31	thrice	...why don't you check and see
2023-06-10 03:52:23	greentail	thrice: it seems to me there's more activity in this IRC channel, than the matrix channel. Do you guys agree? 
2023-06-10 03:52:40	greentail	Also, is there any archlinux-related forum with more activity than this IRC channel? 
2023-06-10 03:53:11	thrice	just join both and find out for yourself
2023-06-10 03:53:29	Strykar	No, if you hang out here long enough, Arch devs send you stickers and swag, can't get that anywhere else
2023-06-10 03:53:30	thrice	there are forums on the arch linux site
2023-06-10 03:54:29	greentail	Strykar: they only ship swag within the US mainland
2023-06-10 03:55:37	greentail	what's BBS an acronym for? Bulletin Board Site?  Bulletin Board Software?  
2023-06-10 04:00:42	sheep	I thought the S was for System
2023-06-10 04:02:15	greentail	sheep: thanks!
2023-06-10 04:23:19	greentail	In this IRC channel, you can see who enters and who leaves. Some people show as `john@/user/institution/organization` , but some other people show as `john@123.45.67.89` ; why is that?
2023-06-10 04:24:24	bluetail	greentail some use a cloak
2023-06-10 04:24:34	bluetail	https://libera.chat/guides/cloaks
2023-06-10 04:24:36	phrik	Title: Cloaks | Libera Chat (at libera.chat)
2023-06-10 04:25:21	greentail	bluetail: thank you!
2023-06-10 04:27:07	greentail	bluetail: when one runs whois on your username, the hostname doesn't show up. How can one achieve that? 
2023-06-10 04:28:31	bluetail	greentail by using the cloak
2023-06-10 04:28:47	bluetail	it is there for that
2023-06-10 04:32:12	greentail	bluetail: thanks. The libera-cloak channel kicked me out. Does that mean I will never be able to enter again? 
2023-06-10 04:32:38	bluetail	no you seem cloaked now
2023-06-10 04:40:17	sheep	you entered, it gave you a cloak, now there's no point to you being there
2023-06-10 04:40:46	sheep	it's associated with your services account, so make sure you set up SASL authentication
2023-06-10 04:41:49	demure	or certfp
2023-06-10 04:41:59	greentail	sheep: what's my "services account"?  
2023-06-10 04:42:09	sheep	your NickServ account
2023-06-10 04:42:27	greentail	sheep: thanks. And how do I set up SASL auth?
2023-06-10 04:42:57	sheep	https://libera.chat/guides/sasl has instructions for a lot of clients
2023-06-10 04:42:58	phrik	Title: Using SASL | Libera Chat (at libera.chat)
2023-06-10 04:44:28	greentail	sheep: what bad things usually happen when one doesn't set up SASL?
2023-06-10 04:44:48	sheep	your client connects and joins channels before it authenticates, so it joins withour a cloak
2023-06-10 04:45:07	sheep	or you can't automatically join channels that require you to register, like this one
2023-06-10 04:45:37	demure	and if you wait too long to identify, your nick gets forced to guest.
2023-06-10 05:16:26	Nomenclatura	so... what's the difference between : and . in chown? I remember seeing some distros somplain about using : and demanded you to use . then it was okay to use either, and now everybody wants you to use :: lol
2023-06-10 05:17:48	greentail	Nomenclatura: you've thought about moving to the US for work?  
2023-06-10 05:18:10	bluetail	Nomenclatura I do chown -R blu:blu .
2023-06-10 05:18:18	bluetail	The . means in current folder
2023-06-10 05:18:28	DarkFeather	``
2023-06-10 05:18:29	bluetail	could replace it with a path. What do you do?
2023-06-10 05:18:48	Nomenclatura	no... "chown x.x" and "chown x:x"
2023-06-10 05:19:07	demure	chown user:group file_name
2023-06-10 05:19:24	Nomenclatura	. used to be prefered, then wither was okay, now : is prefered... but why lol
2023-06-10 05:19:46	demure	well, file names _really_ shouldn't have a :, but can have a .
2023-06-10 05:20:09	greentail	Nomenclatura: s/wither/either/
2023-06-10 05:20:22	Nomenclatura	demure: I am talking about something else completely
2023-06-10 05:20:55	bluetail	Nomenclatura in the past heavy blankets where preferred. Nowadays most use light-weight blankets and a minority of hardcore retro conservists are buying weighted blankets, claiming the weight helps them getting a hug during the night
2023-06-10 05:21:01	bluetail	were*
2023-06-10 05:21:14	bluetail	things change over time
2023-06-10 05:21:31	Nomenclatura	You are completely missing the .
2023-06-10 05:23:28	demure	well, your question seems to have cite-able answers to be found by searching.
2023-06-10 05:23:45	greentail	bluetail: Thermal blankets are the best. Everybody has the right to have a thermal blanket  
2023-06-10 05:25:16	bluetail	greentail haha. I wonder if they protect against radiation like tinfoil hats :D. I know that tinfoil hats might just focus the radiation in one point instead
2023-06-10 05:25:51	Nomenclatura	There is #archlinux_offtopic for talking about blankets
2023-06-10 05:26:20	bluetail	no
2023-06-10 05:26:24	bluetail	this was on-topic
2023-06-10 05:26:31	bluetail	it was about things being preferred
2023-06-10 05:27:00	bluetail	the thing about tinfoil hats was indeed off-topic though
2023-06-10 07:55:51	tusko	Ubuntu is a cult
2023-06-10 08:00:40	archdemon	its not that bad is it
2023-06-10 08:02:22	tusko	I got a work laptop recently that was running Ubuntu. I found it to be practically unusable, which honestly surprised me.
2023-06-10 08:02:49	tusko	People talk about arch packages getting all jacked up, but ironically that only ever happened to me on Ubuntu.
2023-06-10 08:03:21	tusko	The archwiki has always seen me through
2023-06-10 08:09:25	nortega	tusko: Dunno, I've never had that experience with Ubuntu (or Debian). Though I think it may be because on Arch I do my tinkering, but I never do that on Ubuntu (or Debian).
2023-06-10 08:17:54	dcb	I personally never faced issues with video/network drivers on ubuntu, unlike my experience with arch. Depending on what you want, it could be fine
2023-06-10 10:12:56	Furai	arojas, is tllocalmanager broken with current texlive?
2023-06-10 10:17:03	arojas	Furai: yes, the files it relies on are no longer provided 
2023-06-10 10:17:57	Furai	So I should fix tlmgr like in wiki? 
2023-06-10 10:18:19	Furai	I need to update one package.
2023-06-10 10:20:29	Furai	arojas, maybe with the recent revamps it just works?
2023-06-10 10:21:19	Furai	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/TeX_Live
2023-06-10 10:21:20	phrik	Title: TeX Live - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-06-10 10:21:28	Furai	Here's the wiki page that claims it's broken.
2023-06-10 10:30:41	Furai	Hmm, I'm not sure what to do now. I'll wait for some clarifying answer.
2023-06-10 10:48:11	arojas	Furai: no, it's fundamentally broken and there are no plans to fix it
2023-06-10 10:48:46	arojas	it relied on some custom days files that are very hard to maintain
2023-06-10 10:48:57	arojas	data files*
2023-06-10 10:49:24	Furai	Ok, thanks, I guess I'll just go with native installation of texlive, I used to have it this way but then I changed to packages.
2023-06-10 10:50:11	Furai	Seems that removing texlive meta package won't work cause of broken deps, interesting.
2023-06-10 11:06:58	Furai	arojas, will texlive-bin conflict with native installation?
2023-06-10 11:12:27	Furai	Ok, I guess answer is yes.
2023-06-10 11:16:47	seds	do I need to boot into a usb-iso to restore a btrfs snapshot of my root system?
2023-06-10 11:17:31	seds	I have a root snapshots in my /.snapshots/root<date>, and I wanted to rollback to one of them permanently 
2023-06-10 11:17:43	seds	so I am in doubt whether I should just update fstab with the ID
2023-06-10 11:17:46	seds	or something else 
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2023-06-12 04:08:59	rharao	Hi, should I set `PKGDIR=/usr/bin/` for  AUR PKGBUILDsthat reference that variable to work as intended?
2023-06-12 04:09:49	sheep	that doesn't sound like the right way to use PKGDIR
2023-06-12 04:10:15	sheep	you do not set the pkgdir variable (not the same as PKGDIR) in a PKGBUILD
2023-06-12 04:10:19	sheep	makepkg sets it for you
2023-06-12 04:11:59	rharao	I installed the aur package rstudio-desktop-bin using an aur helper, and after it was finished there was no rstudio executable in my PATH
2023-06-12 04:12:29	rharao	I grepd through /usr/bin and didn't see any rstudio executable there either
2023-06-12 04:13:31	sheep	what does pacman -Ql rstudio-desktop-bin say? It might be a self-contained thing that put its executables in /opt because they won't work right in /usr/bin
2023-06-12 04:14:01	rharao	Tried that, `paru -Ql rstudio-desktop-bin | less` showed only asset files like icons and language packs
2023-06-12 04:14:16	rharao	(for the most part, definitely no executables)
2023-06-12 04:14:33	sheep	what does pacman say? I don't trust paru to give pacman's output without processing
2023-06-12 04:15:28	sheep	I see a comment on that package's AUR page that says that the binary is at /usr/lib/rstudio/rstudio
2023-06-12 04:16:05	rharao	Not there unfortunately
2023-06-12 04:16:31	rharao	The directory /usr/lib/rstudio doesn't even exist
2023-06-12 04:17:07	sheep	maybe the pkgbuild needs to be updated
2023-06-12 04:18:12	rharao	Gonna reinstall
2023-06-12 04:18:31	j-james	hello, something broke with my dns recently. it gives constant "Temporary failure in name resolution" errors when trying to ping any domain. pinging ips works fine.
2023-06-12 04:19:10	j-james	i tried putting `nameserver 8.8.8.8` in /etc/resolv.conf, but it was wiped on boot. i suspect this is some problematic interaction between dhcpd and networkmanager.
2023-06-12 04:19:29	rharao	sheep: It's there now, so I just have to add /usr/lib/rstudio to PATH now?
2023-06-12 04:19:47	sheep	yes, or put a symlink to it in a directory that is in your PATH
2023-06-12 04:19:53	rharao	I like that better
2023-06-12 04:19:57	rharao	Thanks a lot
2023-06-12 04:21:45	j-james	i do see "canceled DHCP transaction" in my networkmanager logs, but don't quite know *why* that's happening or how to track down things further. has anyone here dealt with a similar problem?
2023-06-12 04:30:03	egl	j-james: 'ls -al /etc/resolv.conf' is it perhaps a symlinked stub? DHCP will assign DNS if the DHCP server offers one. Networkmanager relies on either dnsmasq or systemd-resolved: see gnome docs here: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/NetworkManager/DNS
2023-06-12 04:30:04	phrik	Title: Projects/NetworkManager/DNS - GNOME Wiki! (at wiki.gnome.org)
2023-06-12 04:31:14	egl	j-james: if you decide to dig deep, I suggest having NM utilize systemd-resolved, which may already be the case. '/etc/systemd/resolved.conf
2023-06-12 04:32:41	egl	j-james: you can also verify which DHCP client that networkmanager is pointing to here: /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/dhcp-client.conf
2023-06-12 04:48:58	j-james	eagle: looks to be a proper file, and i don't appear to have either dnsmasq or systemd-resolved installed?
2023-06-12 04:49:37	thrice	it's at: /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-resolved
2023-06-12 04:49:51	j-james	hmm, i wonder how my network was even working earlier then. i think i installed networkmanager separately from whatever i had installed from installation. but i could have sworn things were working fine even a couple of reboots later?
2023-06-12 04:50:47	j-james	ah it appears i do have systemd-resolved then, i'll try and set that up
2023-06-12 04:56:47	j-james	it works! thank you very much, all i did need to do was enable systemd-resolved
2023-06-12 04:58:06	j-james	i do wonder what on earth i managed to do to get the weird ass behavior of dns *sometimes* working but ah well
2023-06-12 05:07:10	eagle	j-james: *thumbs up*
2023-06-12 05:19:55	jayray	any tpm2 experts here rn?
2023-06-12 05:34:10	mingdao	no
2023-06-12 05:37:02	low-key	i moved my cache folder over from ~/.cache to a mounted sdcard, deleting the original
2023-06-12 05:38:06	low-key	ever since, launching firefox gives me the following error: your profile cannot be loaded. It may be missing or inaccessible.
2023-06-12 05:38:56	mingdao	Makes sense, since $HOME/.cache/mozilla/firefox/ is where the profiles are stored.
2023-06-12 05:39:38	tirnanog	you screwed up the permissions, in all likelihood.
2023-06-12 05:39:39	low-key	but shouldn't it just be creating them afresh? it won't let me launch the browser at all now
2023-06-12 05:40:02	tirnanog	it's not where profiles are stored but for the cache dir to be inaccessible does have a deliterious effect (on a surprising number of applications, even).
2023-06-12 05:40:40	tirnanog	e.g. want to render the entire plasma desktop defunct, with each component crashing out? chmod 000 ~/.cache
2023-06-12 05:42:03	low-key	ooof, i set XDG_CACHE_HOME to media/sdcard/cache instead of /media/sdcard/cache :/
2023-06-12 05:42:16	mingdao	Ah, is the profile in $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/ ?
2023-06-12 05:42:48	thrice	out of curiosity, why are you doing this?  sdcards can be kinda finicky, it sounds risky to me
2023-06-12 05:42:59	tirnanog	yes. .cache should only ever used for ephemeral data (but takke ephemeral with a heavy dose of single quotes).
2023-06-12 05:45:59	low-key	i'm running out of space on my hard disk 
2023-06-12 05:46:39	thrice	have you cleaned the pkg cache recently?
2023-06-12 05:47:28	thrice	( /var/cache/pacman/pkg/ )
2023-06-12 05:47:58	mingdao	paccache -d (for dry run) then paccache -r
2023-06-12 05:50:49	thurstylark	I use py3status as my status_command for sway's bar, and use the same config across multiple machines, but I'm just getting "?" instead of the time on just one machine... This is the line where that is configured and working elsewhere: https://git.thurstylark.com/dotfiles/sway/src/branch/master/.config/sway/thurstybook/bar/py3status.py#L11
2023-06-12 05:50:50	phrik	Title: dotfiles/sway: Configuration for Sway, the i3-compatible Wayland compositor (for use with vcsh) - .config/sway/thurstybook/bar/py3status.py at master - sway - Gitea (at git.thurstylark.com)
2023-06-12 05:50:54	thurstylark	Where should I look first?
2023-06-12 05:52:42	thurstylark	the zulu clock configured on L13-L16 works fine, but it's the local clock that is borked on just this one machine, and I can't figure it out
2023-06-12 05:53:00	low-key	i set it back to $HOME/.cache and firefox is up and running now!
2023-06-12 05:53:03	low-key	thanks people
2023-06-12 05:53:13	low-key	i manually set the gradle and spotify caches to go into the sdcard
2023-06-12 05:53:16	low-key	they were the biggest ones
2023-06-12 05:58:01	tirnanog	thurstylark: is it the same version of py3status in all instances?
2023-06-12 05:59:04	thrice	and, any option to run it verbosely? Anything in logs?
2023-06-12 05:59:38	tirnanog	it could be this: https://github.com/ultrabug/py3status/pull/2189/commits/ebf4ca6a0138b1a9ad5a2e4fa94cc742104460b5. there's no tagged release with this fix yet.
2023-06-12 06:03:24	tirnanog	"Edit: In my case this is due to no longer having python tzdata installed (Arch Linux removed the package from the repositories). zoneinfo would fallback to that, and it provided the "localtime" key."
2023-06-12 06:03:43	tirnanog	the above commit is the proper fix, I believe.
2023-06-12 06:05:21	thurstylark	ahh, yeah, that might be it
2023-06-12 06:06:47	thurstylark	hmm, I'm still seeing python-pytzdata in extra... was this removal from the repos extremely recent?
2023-06-12 06:07:00	tirnanog	that's a different module, I think.
2023-06-12 06:07:13	thurstylark	gotcha
2023-06-12 06:08:00	thurstylark	yeap. got python-tzdata installed locally on the machines that work
2023-06-12 06:09:32	thurstylark	I'm just gonna install it from the aur until that proper fix comes in 
2023-06-12 06:10:28	⚡ 	thurstylark gives fewer fucks about the "right" solution than he does about not having his precious clock in the corner like a ricer's security blanket
2023-06-12 06:10:49	tirnanog	sounds reasonable.
2023-06-12 06:15:42	thurstylark	yay, it fix o/
2023-06-12 06:16:01	thurstylark	for various definitions of "fixed" :P
2023-06-12 06:39:56	dmc	thurstylark, python-tzdata was pulled in by python-tzlocal until recently
2023-06-12 06:42:23	dmc	finally got to nuke pytz-deprecation-shim and python-tzdata from the repos
2023-06-12 07:38:09	HumanLove	Hello
2023-06-12 07:38:11	HumanLove	all
2023-06-12 07:38:13	HumanLove	:)
2023-06-12 07:40:19	tusko	I really do like archwiki
2023-06-12 07:40:25	tusko	archwiki is like my family
2023-06-12 07:40:39	HumanLove	loveed it
2023-06-12 09:59:08	kn07_	hello
2023-06-12 09:59:24	kn07_	I would like to know what is the religion of the leader of arch linux?
2023-06-12 09:59:54	HuntsMan	what?
2023-06-12 10:00:10	mpan	kn07_: hello. Is any deity breaking the Arch you installed? If not… how is that related to #archlinux? This is a tech support channel. :)
2023-06-12 10:00:12	kn07_	i want to know the religion of this spot
2023-06-12 10:00:24	kn07_	yes, it is related to #archlinux.
2023-06-12 10:00:40	mpan	It very much is not. Do you have any on-topic questions?
2023-06-12 10:01:04	astralc	clubmate?
2023-06-12 10:01:05	Foxboron	The taco god, obviously
2023-06-12 10:01:09	Foxboron	astralc: Club Mate
2023-06-12 10:01:16	Foxboron	astralc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club-Mate
2023-06-12 10:01:16	phrik	Title: Club-Mate - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2023-06-12 10:01:17	mpan	The Great Tux in the sky, of course.
2023-06-12 10:01:37	colo	astralc: prost! :)
2023-06-12 10:02:38	kn07___	do you guys have any religion?
2023-06-12 10:03:16	astralc	the caffeine god
2023-06-12 10:03:19	enoq	so systemd-boot couldn't boot into a partuuid root partition anymore today; regnerated the initramfs with a live iso and it works again; what's up with that
2023-06-12 10:03:21	enoq	smart data of the nvme drive looks good
2023-06-12 10:04:35	astralc	mkinitcpio had error that you didn't notice? I assume partuuid didn't change between generation
2023-06-12 10:04:45	enoq	yes, didn't change
2023-06-12 10:04:47	@jelle	kn07___: I assumed you got the message
2023-06-12 10:05:15	Ennea	obviously not ;)
2023-06-12 10:05:30	Foxboron	enoq: hurm, there has been similar reports but I haven't seen any good indication what the issue could be
2023-06-12 10:05:40	Foxboron	enoq: busybox or systemd hooks?
2023-06-12 10:05:44	enoq	systemd
2023-06-12 10:05:48	enoq	systemd-boot
2023-06-12 10:06:03	Foxboron	enoq: ? paste /etc/mkinitcpio.conf somewhere
2023-06-12 10:06:48	enoq	Foxboron: https://dpaste.com/DRZLBGLS2
2023-06-12 10:06:53	phrik	Title: dpaste: DRZLBGLS2 (at dpaste.com)
2023-06-12 10:06:56	enoq	I mean I regenerated it and it worked fine
2023-06-12 10:07:08	Foxboron	So busybox hooks
2023-06-12 10:07:42	enoq	ah, didn't know that systemd could do that as well
2023-06-12 10:08:47	enoq	first thought was a bad drive, but at least judging from the smart test, it looks fine
2023-06-12 10:14:19	nl6720	Foxboron: I think there's a topic about a similarly sounding issue in the forums too. it was "solved" the same way. but, unless someone retains the broken initramfs to e.g. compare its contents against a working one, there's no real way to diagnose this
2023-06-12 10:15:42	Foxboron	nl6720: I've seen it twice now in this IRC channel
2023-06-12 10:15:47	enoq	yeah, that would have been a good idea, I just panicked a bit since I have to work xD
2023-06-12 10:16:00	nl6720	I guess there's three potential culprits: kernel, util-linux and udev (systemd)
2023-06-12 10:16:35	enoq	first thing that I did was boot into chroot and run pacman -Syu
2023-06-12 10:16:45	enoq	installed the util-linux update
2023-06-12 10:16:52	enoq	then regenerated the initramfs
2023-06-12 10:16:59	enoq	so that update could have fixed it as well
2023-06-12 10:17:43	nl6720	enoq: next time it happens, back up the broken initramfs somewhere so that it can be compared against a working one
2023-06-12 10:17:48	enoq	will do
2023-06-12 10:37:50	xharx	!paste
2023-06-12 10:37:50	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-06-12 10:38:24	xharx	!ix
2023-06-12 10:38:25	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
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2023-06-13 16:00:53	rainbowtux	taling about wayland... do thinks like teams and screen sharing work there nowadays?
2023-06-13 16:05:32	@jelle	screen sharing works
2023-06-13 16:09:56	rainbowtux	jelle: thanks :) will give it a try... MS teams is notoriously linux hostile
2023-06-13 16:10:11	@jelle	rainbowtux: well I mean in google meet it does, teams dunno
2023-06-13 16:58:36	morteza24	I accidentally deletet nginx.conf
2023-06-13 16:58:47	mpan	morteza24: the original one or your config?
2023-06-13 16:59:00	morteza24	my config
2023-06-13 16:59:28	morteza24	it wasn't actually nginx.conf. it was config that I had put in site-enabled/
2023-06-13 16:59:32	morteza24	but it's the same thing
2023-06-13 16:59:40	morteza24	but since I haven't restarted nginx.service it's still working fine
2023-06-13 16:59:49	morteza24	can I do anything about this?
2023-06-13 17:00:01	bertptrs	https://stackoverflow.com/a/34061573/1659409
2023-06-13 17:00:03	phrik	Title: linux - dump conf from running nginx process - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
2023-06-13 17:01:08	mpan	Is this ext4 or btrfs?
2023-06-13 17:01:41	morteza24	ext4
2023-06-13 17:03:21	morteza24	bertptrs thank you so much. it gave me nginx.conf. now is it possible to also get the config file that was in sites-enabled/ ?
2023-06-13 17:03:29	tirnanog	nginx -T will not help you.
2023-06-13 17:03:54	morteza24	:`(
2023-06-13 17:04:30	tirnanog	you could try to see whether the unliked file is still referenced (lsof +L1). if it's not, I think you'd have to attempt the mentioned technique of scraping nginx's memory maps.
2023-06-13 17:04:33	tirnanog	unlinked*
2023-06-13 17:06:34	mpan	morteza24: see ext4magic.
2023-06-13 17:06:48	mpan	morteza24: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/File_recovery#Ext4Magic
2023-06-13 17:06:50	phrik	Title: File recovery - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-06-13 17:07:37	mpan	And in general the answer is <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Backup#Backup>. ;)
2023-06-13 17:07:39	phrik	Title: System maintenance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-06-13 17:08:14	morteza24	I also forgot to mention that I didn't delete the file, I was editing it with vim and I had forgot to open it with sudo so I tried to use the !sudo tee command but I messed it up :)
2023-06-13 17:08:34	bertptrs	Ouch, even more likely to be lost :(
2023-06-13 17:08:53	bertptrs	If you still have the vim session you might be able to save it
2023-06-13 17:09:18	mpan	Then only the last link. :(
2023-06-13 17:09:37	morteza24	unfortunately I don't have the vim session
2023-06-13 17:11:13	codword	Hey all.... has anyone ever had to build the NVIDIA closed-source driver package using an older version of the driver ?
2023-06-13 17:11:40	codword	I'm trying to get NVIDIA Fabric Manager working on Arch linux but ... it's proving to be a challenge :(
2023-06-13 17:11:47	morteza24	thank you mpan
2023-06-13 17:14:48	Namarrgon	codword: how old of a version are we talking about?
2023-06-13 17:15:38	codword	unfortunately, the newest fabric manager NVIDIA provides is 530.30.02 -- and this version must match the nvidia driver
2023-06-13 17:16:23	Namarrgon	it trips over such a minor update?
2023-06-13 17:16:24	codword	I've built a fairly complex ansible workflow that uses archiso to validate hardware and burn-in gpus for HPC servers, in particular, those that include NVIDIA A100 and H100 GPUs
2023-06-13 17:16:36	codword	it all works great except for systems that have nvswitch -- which requires fabric manager --- 
2023-06-13 17:16:45	Namarrgon	rebuild the old nvidia or nvidia-dkms packages
2023-06-13 17:16:58	codword	unfortunately it seems that whomever maintains the nvidia closed-source driver packages for arch does not release driverr versions that align with fabric manager :(
2023-06-13 17:17:00	Namarrgon	they will probably still work with the current kernel
2023-06-13 17:17:18	Namarrgon	fabric manager isn't in the repos, it's not a concern for arch
2023-06-13 17:17:28	codword	So, yeah I'm trying to build the 530.30.02 closed-source driver package
2023-06-13 17:18:09	codword	Namarrgon: well, it's an issue if you want to use Arch Linux on high-end HPC clusters instead of RHEL, Ubuntu, Debian etc
2023-06-13 17:18:34	Namarrgon	sure but that's an issue every time you want to use an unsupportable piece of software
2023-06-13 17:18:43	Namarrgon	it's not just a problem with arch
2023-06-13 17:19:54	Namarrgon	did you run into any problems rebuilding the old version?
2023-06-13 17:19:54	codword	we agree on that... matching cuda versions with nvidia drivers and fabric manager across hpc clusters is one of the biggest pains I've ever faced 
2023-06-13 17:20:05	codword	yeah thats what I'm trying to do right now, 
2023-06-13 17:20:15	Namarrgon	what is the problem?
2023-06-13 17:20:16	codword	I'm running into this issue where dkms build doesnt seem to be replacing macros with the proper things
2023-06-13 17:20:19	codword	for example:
2023-06-13 17:20:23	codword	/home/doc/downloads/blah/src/nvidia/530.30.02/source/dkms.conf: line 12: __DKMS_MODULES: command not found
2023-06-13 17:20:30	codword	'make' -j__JOBS NV_EXCLUDE_BUILD_MODULES='__EXCLUDE_MODULES' KERNEL_UNAME=6.3.7-arch1-1 modules...(bad exit status: 2)
2023-06-13 17:20:42	codword	it's supposed to replace ___JOBS with 2 (or whatever you've defined in makepkg.conf)
2023-06-13 17:21:16	codword	this is in the dkms.conf file thats included with the nvidia driver
2023-06-13 17:21:19	codword	MAKE[0]="'make' -j__JOBS NV_EXCLUDE_BUILD_MODULES='__EXCLUDE_MODULES' KERNEL_UNAME=${kernelver} modules"
2023-06-13 17:22:22	Namarrgon	can you post the full log?
2023-06-13 17:22:26	codword	this is the file: https://shearer.tech/files/dkms-conf.txt
2023-06-13 17:22:30	codword	yep one moment
2023-06-13 17:22:49	codword	https://shearer.tech/files/make-log.txt
2023-06-13 17:22:56	codword	really appreciate your help, I'm stuck on this
2023-06-13 17:23:39	Namarrgon	is this with arch's stock makepkg.conf?
2023-06-13 17:23:51	codword	something is not replacing those macros, i dunno if I'm supposed to provide some arguments to makepkg?
2023-06-13 17:23:58	Namarrgon	how did you acquire the PKGBUILD?
2023-06-13 17:24:13	codword	direct download from: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/nvidia/
2023-06-13 17:24:15	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - nvidia 530.41.03-17 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2023-06-13 17:24:34	Namarrgon	did you download the old one of modified the current one?
2023-06-13 17:24:40	Namarrgon	s/of/or/
2023-06-13 17:24:45	codword	I download this one specifically
2023-06-13 17:24:48	codword	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/nvidia/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD
2023-06-13 17:24:49	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / nvidia · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-06-13 17:26:02	Namarrgon	ah, that version was never in the repos
2023-06-13 17:26:24	codword	it looks for the nviida driver in /usr/src/nvidia-530.41.03 -- so I've put the stuff there, I downloaded that pacage from nvidia.com
2023-06-13 17:26:51	codword	nvidia provides it as a .run -- which you can extract -- I put that stuff in /usr/src/nvidia-530.41.03 where makepkg seems to want it
2023-06-13 17:27:17	Namarrgon	that's not how you're supposed to do any of that
2023-06-13 17:27:18	codword	yes exactly thus my problem. I wish the arch maintainer of nvidia driver would release a version that aligns with fabric manager releases
2023-06-13 17:27:26	Namarrgon	...
2023-06-13 17:27:34	Namarrgon	modify the PKGBUILD to build the version you need
2023-06-13 17:27:45	codword	of the current PKGBUILD?
2023-06-13 17:27:54	Namarrgon	yes, change $pkgver and see what happens
2023-06-13 17:28:12	omegathree	i going to install artix can i use example partition layout from arch install wiki for artix?
2023-06-13 17:28:28	Namarrgon	omegathree: you'd have to ask the artix folks, not us
2023-06-13 17:28:33	omegathree	ok
2023-06-13 17:57:37	Namarrgon	codword: 530.30.02 won't build against 6.3.*: https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules/issues/469
2023-06-13 17:57:50	Namarrgon	you might have better luck with the linux-lts kernel
2023-06-13 17:58:08	codword	sigh :(
2023-06-13 17:59:08	codword	nvidia just needs to update their fabricmanager would make my life easier
2023-06-13 17:59:15	codword	but they dont make releases very often
2023-06-13 17:59:38	codword	this menas that the newest nvidia driver you can run on their own DGX servers is 530.30.02 and you can't run a 6.3 kernel
2023-06-13 18:02:30	codword	the hassle is... my lab uses archiso via pxeboot to many hundreds of servers, and upon boot it uses archiso's built-in .automated_script.sh feature, which works perfectly to run my validation stuff
2023-06-13 18:02:54	codword	I'll need to figure out how to make archiso boot with the lts kernel as well
2023-06-13 18:03:09	⚡ 	codword grumbles.
2023-06-13 18:03:10	codword	Thanks for trying
2023-06-13 18:03:18	Namarrgon	np
2023-06-13 18:04:10	Namarrgon	you'd have to build your own iso anyway to install the old nvidia modules
2023-06-13 18:16:17	codword	Namarrgon: yeah I build my own iso already, but I've never built one with an older kernel than current
2023-06-13 18:16:49	Namarrgon	just replace "linux" with "linux-lts"
2023-06-13 18:17:42	ahuston-0	Hey anyone have any tips for setting up Gradle for arch? Have openjdk 20, latest Gradle and kotlin installed but it keeps trying to run off of the graal version of java 8 (which isn't installed and doesn't exist on the system)
2023-06-13 18:18:54	codword	Namarrgon: yea, Im building a VM to do this on ... I've already mucked up my laptop because I am in a hurryheh
2023-06-13 18:18:59	codword	I gotta get this beast out the door by 5
2023-06-13 18:52:36	NiKaN	.
2023-06-13 18:55:01	jnbrains	hi, i have a question about sysctl
2023-06-13 18:55:41	jnbrains	i put vm.dirty_background_bytes=16777216 in /etc/sysctl.d/99-vm.conf
2023-06-13 18:56:08	jnbrains	when I try to load it (without reboot) -> sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.d/99-vm.conf, or sysctl --system
2023-06-13 18:56:42	jnbrains	it 'says' it's applied, but when I query it with sysctl vm.dirty_background_bytes
2023-06-13 18:57:01	jnbrains	it shows vm.dirty_background_bytes=0 (unchanged)
2023-06-13 18:57:33	jnbrains	if I set it manually: sudo sysctl -w vm.dirty_background_bytes=16777216
2023-06-13 18:57:44	jnbrains	and then query it again - it's working
2023-06-13 18:57:51	jnbrains	am i missing something?
2023-06-13 19:02:18	tirnanog	jnbrains: what else do you have beneath /etc/systctl.d?
2023-06-13 19:02:49	demonicmaniac1	sudo sysctl --system should list all in order of being applied - files and their values in order
2023-06-13 19:03:22	tirnanog	sysctl.d, rather
2023-06-13 19:03:44	jnbrains	demonicmaniac1: yes - it shows all the files I have created and the values in those files, yet - when queried they're not applied
2023-06-13 19:03:58	tirnanog	which are?
2023-06-13 19:04:11	jnbrains	tirnanog: /etc/sysctl.d/{99-fs.conf,99-kernel.conf,99-net.conf,99-vm.conf}
2023-06-13 19:04:16	tirnanog	I mean, what's in them.
2023-06-13 19:04:36	tirnanog	tail -c +1 /etc/sysctl.d/*.conf
2023-06-13 19:05:29	demonicmaniac1	jnbrains: does any file also set dirty_ratio? because ratio and bytes are mutually exclusive
2023-06-13 19:05:31	jnbrains	tirnanog: /etc/sysctl.d/99-vm.conf: vm.dirty_background_bytes=16777216
2023-06-13 19:08:27	jnbrains	demonicmaniac1: Thanks... there was a dirty_ratio after the dirty_background_bytes
2023-06-13 19:08:48	jnbrains	not works as expected
2023-06-13 19:08:50	tirnanog	next time, please provide the requested information.
2023-06-13 19:08:52	jnbrains	now works as expected
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2023-06-14 16:02:12	alwyn	Is there a Linux tool like ncdu but with live size updates?
2023-06-14 16:02:33	alwyn	You can interactively reload but I want an application that actively watches
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2023-06-14 16:03:52	RealFloridaMan	for arch
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2023-06-14 16:07:18	alwyn	I don't think ncdu supports live watching
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2023-06-14 16:14:02	@jelle	alwyn: there are some rust alternatives for ncdu not sure if they caching/watching
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2023-06-14 16:15:04	alwyn	gdu doesn't, and I haven't found an option for watching on the other alternatives, though I haven't actually tried them all
2023-06-14 16:15:16	@jelle	:(
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2023-06-14 16:18:56	demonicmaniac1	for things like ~ with ~/.cache/ and shit that's gonna be "fun" with live watching and updating on change so 10000000x changes a second
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2023-06-14 16:19:48	DarkFeather	You could use conky and have it just watch the mountpoints on the refresh rate.
2023-06-14 16:21:35	ℹ 	lowden es conocido ahora como b00b
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2023-06-14 16:27:33	gloomy_laptop	Hey, just out of curiosity, can someone explain the point of this package file on the aur for watchman? https://gist.github.com/ldorigo/ab1f94e9154e7380f62879aa0000996d
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2023-06-14 16:28:00	gloomy_laptop	Just curious about the weird badpath/goodpath substitution, is that something common to do?
2023-06-14 16:29:03	gloomy_laptop	(changing the path is reasonable, I don't get the reason for the weird way they do the substitution with a weird path that needs to have the exact same length as the original one?)
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2023-06-14 16:33:56	susi	maybe this explains it a bit: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/watchman/raw/a446ccc61c73d74053792656c3832f93bf0fe262/f/watchman-destdir.patch
2023-06-14 16:34:13	susi	from aur/watchman (vs. aur/watchman-bin)
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2023-06-14 16:35:28	susi	or maybe not :)
2023-06-14 16:36:41	gloomy_laptop	The latter option :-D 
2023-06-14 16:37:14	gloomy_laptop	I may not be familiar with cmake enough to get the point but I don't think it's related to my question
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2023-06-14 16:41:19	mpan	alwyn: since neither I nor other people can offer a ready program: what do you need this live monitoring for? Perhaps there is another option?
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2023-06-14 16:42:50	moviuro	Hi all, I'm still encountering issues with my network bond: https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/ZGzGngNhahy6kGBG@toxoplasmosis/T/#m399b40103ac56ab7018f93b4a8d213acd7902056 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=285633 ; thoughts?
2023-06-14 16:42:52	phrik	Title: Secondary bond slave receiving packets when preferred is up (at lore.kernel.org)
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2023-06-14 17:30:51	alwyn	mpan: I was trying to track the deletion of a few million files. I think the bottleneck was the HDD tbh
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2023-06-14 17:32:48	alwyn	I didn't figure out a good solution in the end, I just had to have patience ;_;
2023-06-14 17:32:55	mpan	alwyn: strace would help then.
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2023-06-14 17:36:36	demonicmaniac1	mpan: jesus the poor terminal and cpu rendering 100000000 lines a second then when deleting millions of tiny files
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2023-06-14 17:37:22	mpan	demonicmaniac1: but then you know, which files these are.
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2023-06-14 17:38:56	demonicmaniac1	if you wanted size updates for deletion you'd also have to actually first build the tree for every single of the qaudrillion files which on a hdd would take longer than the deletion
2023-06-14 17:39:04	avery_	https://lobste.rs/s/h8c2kq/i_booted_linux_292_612_times  
2023-06-14 17:39:04	phrik	Title: I booted Linux 292,612 times | Lobsters (at lobste.rs)
2023-06-14 17:39:08	avery_	Did that bug make it to Arch?
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2023-06-14 17:39:54	Namarrgon	the new one from linux 6.4?
2023-06-14 17:40:20	ℹ 	avery_ es conocido ahora como clcuc
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2023-06-14 17:42:16	⚡ 	clcuc is testing
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2023-06-14 17:43:00	ℹ 	Dotz0cat_ es conocido ahora como Dotz0cat
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2023-06-14 18:18:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-06-14 18:18:30	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1313 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1312 normals)
2023-06-14 18:04:10	DarkFeather	greentail: if you have trouble with verifying characters, you're going to have a bad time in CLI land.
2023-06-14 18:13:11	Ennea	greentail, perhaps people should say "wechat not weechat", considering how weechat is the older of the two ;)
2023-06-14 18:18:30	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-06-14 18:21:43	teraflops	hmm after reinstalling gdm is says, sorry password authentication didn't work :S
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2023-06-14 18:24:08	teraflops	there are no errors in journal or gdm, gsm only says this https://paste.priet.us/ovl4/
2023-06-14 18:24:12	teraflops	gdm
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2023-06-14 18:32:59	mefistofeles	teraflops: pacman -Rsn gdm
2023-06-14 18:33:00	mefistofeles	!next
2023-06-14 18:33:00	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2023-06-14 18:33:45	mefistofeles	teraflops: what's the original problem? Or why did you have to reinstall?
2023-06-14 18:34:39	teraflops	I deleted the gdm-* files in /etc/pam.d by mistake so I reinstalled gdm package to have the files again
2023-06-14 18:35:00	jl2	how can I debug a steam/proton games that used to launch? I have failed to get anything out of the ArchWiki.
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2023-06-14 18:36:55	Azzybana	jl2, if you want some keywords to look up, proton is really a wine environment. if you open a terminal and load the environment, then run the executable from command line, wine gives you a lot of help there. 
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2023-06-14 18:38:06	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, and the files are there?
2023-06-14 18:38:12	teraflops	yeah new files there
2023-06-14 18:38:30	mefistofeles	teraflops: oh... hmmm
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2023-06-14 18:40:50	jl2	well it says: Proton: No compat data path?
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2023-06-14 18:41:59	mefistofeles	jl2: what are you trying to launch and what's the full output?
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2023-06-14 18:42:32	jl2	./steam/steamapps/common/Proton - experimental/proton
2023-06-14 18:42:44	jl2	it's the full output - word for worrd
2023-06-14 18:43:03	mefistofeles	that still doesn't fully answer the question :)
2023-06-14 18:43:08	jl2	btw steam is running
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2023-06-14 18:43:54	jl2	the app name I'm trying to launch is bloons tower defense 2
2023-06-14 18:44:04	jl2	it used to work a month ago
2023-06-14 18:44:20	jl2	and I tryed different steam versions
2023-06-14 18:44:36	jl2	*proton
2023-06-14 18:44:55	mefistofeles	jl2: so you are launching it from steam? What if you run steam in the cli and get the output there
2023-06-14 18:45:04	mefistofeles	s/cli/terminal
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2023-06-15 16:14:45	yoozik	i have files there from user that i want userdel
2023-06-15 16:19:06	mpan	yoozik: hello. This directory is beingcreated by extra-x86_64-build script from devtools. It can be removed, if you do not use it, but it will be recreated upon the next use.
2023-06-15 16:20:05	yoozik	ty mpan 
2023-06-15 16:21:41	mpan	yoozik: basically anything in “/var/lib”, that is not owned by any package, is safe to delete if it does not contain data you care about. 
2023-06-15 16:22:22	RealFloridaMan	relevant : https://i.redd.it/35edp3vvuft71.png
2023-06-15 16:22:31	yoozik	aah okay mpan, ty!
2023-06-15 16:23:45	mpan	yoozik: but note that “if” part. :)
2023-06-15 16:24:01	RealFloridaMan	lol
2023-06-15 16:24:27	yoozik	hehe mpan :). Ill note that :)
2023-06-15 16:32:15	reaVer	hi
2023-06-15 16:32:19	reaVer	/usr/lib/chromium/chromium: error while loading shared libraries: libmbedcrypto.so.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2023-06-15 16:32:31	reaVer	anyone knows what is going on here? Google is giving me garbage
2023-06-15 16:32:51	reaVer	the symlink is indeed missing (.14 is there)
2023-06-15 16:32:53	Edu4rdSHL	reaVer, partial upgrade?
2023-06-15 16:32:58	reaVer	full upgrade
2023-06-15 16:32:59	mpan	reaVer: the standard question. -Syu ?
2023-06-15 16:33:02	BrainDamage	lddtree /usr/lib/chromium/chromium
2023-06-15 16:33:08	reaVer	yes Syu
2023-06-15 16:33:22	jl2	install mbedtls2, it has a file named like that
2023-06-15 16:33:24	BrainDamage	pastebin the output
2023-06-15 16:33:30	Repentinus	Is Chromium from AUR? If yes, needs to be rebuilt probably.
2023-06-15 16:33:38	Edu4rdSHL	Good question
2023-06-15 16:33:55	Edu4rdSHL	?wtf libmbedcrypto.so.7
2023-06-15 16:33:57	EMIYA	Edu4rdSHL: extra/mbedtls2 2.28.3-3 (/usr/lib/libmbedcrypto.so.7)
2023-06-15 16:34:03	reaVer	chromium is from base repos as is the mbed library
2023-06-15 16:34:18	reaVer	oh that is not the one I got
2023-06-15 16:34:23	BrainDamage	give the output of the command I wrote, please
2023-06-15 16:34:45	reaVer	zsh/3 1309 % yaourt -Ss mbedtls extra/mbedtls 3.4.0-3 [installed]     An open source, portable, easy to use, readable and flexible TLS library extra/mbedtls2 2.28.3-3     An open source, portable, easy to use, readable and flexible TLS library
2023-06-15 16:34:51	mpan	pacman -Q chromium mbedtls2
2023-06-15 16:34:53	mpan	↑ that too
2023-06-15 16:34:56	reaVer	BrainDamage: the output is very short
2023-06-15 16:35:02	mpan	> yaourt
2023-06-15 16:35:07	Edu4rdSHL	Ugh
2023-06-15 16:35:11	Repentinus	And stop using the braindeadest AUR helper out there.
2023-06-15 16:35:27	mpan	reaVer: please provide the output of: `pacman -Q chromium mbedtls2`
2023-06-15 16:35:28	Edu4rdSHL	reaVer, post the output ple `lddtree /usr/lib/chromium/chromium` as asked
2023-06-15 16:35:34	mpan	And do not post any output from yaourt here.
2023-06-15 16:35:56	Repentinus	!give reaVer ix lddtree /usr/lib/chromium/chromium
2023-06-15 16:35:57	phrik	reaVer: lddtree /usr/lib/chromium/chromium |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2023-06-15 16:36:15	mpan	Well, in fact. Can you do `sudo pacman -Syu`? Because it seems you used yaourt so far.
2023-06-15 16:36:59	reaVer	!paste
2023-06-15 16:36:59	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-06-15 16:37:12	Repentinus	They may also have failed to properly handle the [extra] and [community] merge with their yaourt use.
2023-06-15 16:37:43	mpan	mbedtls2 and chromium should’t be even related, according to what I see.
2023-06-15 16:38:10	BrainDamage	exactly, which is why I want to see lddtree
2023-06-15 16:38:35	BrainDamage	it's likely a third library being guilty
2023-06-15 16:39:00	reaVer	https://paste.rs/HF6t0.txt
2023-06-15 16:39:01	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-06-15 16:39:08	mpan	That may be true too, but given that yaourt is in the picture, I would first like to see that the system is in fact fully updated.
2023-06-15 16:39:14	reaVer	I made a symlink to get chromium to run again
2023-06-15 16:39:16	reaVer	also I need yaourt
2023-06-15 16:39:22	Edu4rdSHL	...
2023-06-15 16:39:37	Edu4rdSHL	And then they ask why their system is broken
2023-06-15 16:40:02	BrainDamage	librist is loading mbedtls
2023-06-15 16:40:02	mpan	reaVer: no, you do not need yaourt. It’s dead and it has been broken even when maintained.
2023-06-15 16:40:24	mpan	reaVer: also no, you should not make symlinks to get around yaourt (or something else) breaking your system.
2023-06-15 16:40:34	BrainDamage	so check whatever owns /usr/lib/librist.so.4
2023-06-15 16:40:35	mpan	reaVer: please, do `sudo pacman -Syu` right now.
2023-06-15 16:40:48	mpan	pacman, not yaourt.
2023-06-15 16:40:54	astralc	I saw people having error because they installed special ffmpeg from aur
2023-06-15 16:41:05	reaVer	no, it doesn't offer any relevant packages, all it does is reinstall the kernel for the gazillioned time
2023-06-15 16:41:12	reaVer	astralc: that was me :D
2023-06-15 16:41:37	astralc	reaVer: not just you
2023-06-15 16:41:51	BrainDamage	reaVer: pacman -Qo /usr/lib/librist.so.4
2023-06-15 16:42:07	reaVer	/usr/lib/librist.so.4 is owned by librist 0.2.7-1 
2023-06-15 16:42:23	BrainDamage	that's an aur package
2023-06-15 16:42:25	mpan	reaVer: what do you mean “doesn’t offer any relevant packages”?
2023-06-15 16:42:27	reaVer	ah it's from aur
2023-06-15 16:42:29	reaVer	ok, thank you
2023-06-15 16:42:31	mpan	So you admit you do partial upgrades?
2023-06-15 16:42:32	BrainDamage	rebuild it
2023-06-15 16:43:14	BrainDamage	also, now it'll fail to install after rebuilding because it'll conflict with your symlink
2023-06-15 16:43:34	BrainDamage	nvm, it won't
2023-06-15 16:44:06	Edu4rdSHL	Long time without seeing so many mess in the same thread... yaourt, partial upgrades, symlinks
2023-06-15 16:44:09	reaVer	working, thank you
2023-06-15 16:44:21	Edu4rdSHL	reaVer, remove the symlink you created previously
2023-06-15 16:44:22	reaVer	Edu4rdSHL: mpan is chasing down a ghost
2023-06-15 16:44:25	mpan	Edu4rdSHL: and on top of that, thinking everything is fine and it’s not their fault. :)
2023-06-15 16:44:27	reaVer	I did
2023-06-15 16:44:43	Edu4rdSHL	mpan, =P
2023-06-15 16:44:55	Edu4rdSHL	!next
2023-06-15 16:44:55	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2023-06-15 16:45:08	mpan	!next
2023-06-15 16:45:09	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2023-06-15 16:45:56	reaVer	how can I see which packages depend on librist?
2023-06-15 16:46:12	reaVer	I'm guessing it's obs again, but just to be sure
2023-06-15 16:46:15	Edu4rdSHL	pacman -Qi librist
2023-06-15 16:46:29	Edu4rdSHL	It should have a "required by" section, though
2023-06-15 16:46:41	reaVer	ffmpeg-obs, figures
2023-06-15 16:46:43	Edu4rdSHL	But for a better output, use `pactree`
2023-06-15 16:47:08	Edu4rdSHL	So, ffmpeg from AUR too >.<
2023-06-15 16:47:24	reaVer	yes, I need a version of obs-studio that gives me embedded browsers
2023-06-15 16:47:32	reaVer	and the base one doesn't do that for me
2023-06-15 17:28:24	The-Compiler	I remember some people mentioning some kind of website diffing tool (which can send you a mail when something changes), I think it was when discussing what people use to find out about upstream updates for their AUR packages
2023-06-15 17:28:30	The-Compiler	anyone remember what tool that was?
2023-06-15 17:33:08	@jelle	The-Compiler: https://diffoscope.org/ ?
2023-06-15 17:33:09	phrik	Title: diffoscope: in-depth comparison of files, archives, and directories (at diffoscope.org)
2023-06-15 17:33:32	The-Compiler	jelle: no - I mean a tool that polls a website and tells me when it changed
2023-06-15 17:33:40	@jelle	The-Compiler: aah nvchecker?
2023-06-15 17:34:11	The-Compiler	hmmm no, I think it was something more general purpose
2023-06-15 17:34:25	Repentinus	Doesn't the project have a releases feed you could use?
2023-06-15 17:34:49	The-Compiler	it's not for a software project in my case, just for general websites that don't have an RSS feed
2023-06-15 17:35:11	The-Compiler	I have something I wrote myself, and I remember there being something better I wanted to switch to, but not what it was :D
2023-06-15 17:36:03	Repentinus	Ah.
2023-06-15 17:46:33	Scimmia	I've used the Page Monitor Chrome extension for this
2023-06-15 17:47:05	Scimmia	looks like it may not exist anymore
2023-06-15 18:57:47	vysn	did anything change with multilanguage keymap support after the recent update?
2023-06-15 18:57:57	vysn	 localectl --no-convert set-x11-keymap us,ar pc104 ,qwerty grp:ctrl_space_toggle  doesn't work anymore
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2023-06-15 19:13:34	Edu4rdSHL	!give vysn doesnotwork
2023-06-15 19:13:35	phrik	vysn: "Does not work?" means nothing. Why doesn't it work? Are there any error messages?
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2023-06-15 19:16:55	ℹ 	southey2 es conocido ahora como foxtrot
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2023-06-15 19:19:52	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-06-15 19:19:53	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-06-15 19:24:11	vysn	ctrl_space_toggle does not change input language anymore
2023-06-15 19:26:52	vysn	/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf has the correct settings done by the pre-update lcalectl command.
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2023-06-15 19:29:27	vysn	/etc/locale.gen has the correct settings
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2023-06-15 19:29:41	vysn	What is /etc/locale.gen.pacnew ?
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2023-06-15 19:31:44	farkenvoid	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Pacnew_and_Pacsave
2023-06-15 19:31:45	phrik	Title: pacman/Pacnew and Pacsave - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-06-15 19:32:06	farkenvoid	rediculous
2023-06-15 19:32:12	teraflops	vysn: diff the files to find out
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2023-06-15 19:32:41	teraflops	also whats in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf file?
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2023-06-15 19:36:40	vysn	teraflops: Section "InputClass"
2023-06-15 19:36:42	vysn	dentifier "system-keyboard"
2023-06-15 19:36:44	vysn	tchIsKeyboard "on"
2023-06-15 19:36:46	vysn	yout" "us,ar"
2023-06-15 19:36:48	vysn	riant" ",qwerty"
2023-06-15 19:36:50	vysn	on
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2023-06-15 19:37:06	teraflops	phrik: give vysn paste
2023-06-15 19:37:07	phrik	vysn: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2023-06-15 19:38:36	vysn	sorry
2023-06-15 19:38:39	vysn	https://bpa.st/5UGXM
2023-06-15 19:38:41	phrik	Title: View paste 5UGXM (at bpa.st)
2023-06-15 19:38:43	teraflops	no problem
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2023-06-15 19:45:08	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-06-15 19:45:13	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-06-15 19:45:13	teraflops	ouch ;S
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2023-06-15 19:45:24	Ennea	how come non-testing nvidia-utils is already 535.x but lib32-nvidia-utils is still 530.x, with 535.x still being in multilib-testing?
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2023-06-15 19:45:31	Ennea	that seems a bit unintended
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2023-06-15 19:45:47	vysn	teraflops: I thought it might have been something I said :D
2023-06-15 19:45:58	teraflops	vysn: nah sorry
2023-06-15 19:46:47	vysn	Welcome back
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2023-06-15 19:48:03	teraflops	vysn: I cannot see where you specify the ctrl_space_toggle
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2023-06-15 19:48:51	vysn	the first link was missing some code
2023-06-15 19:48:51	teraflops	vysn: are you using ibus/fcitx5 ?
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2023-06-15 19:48:53	vysn	t here
2023-06-15 19:48:58	vysn	https://bpa.st/DERYK
2023-06-15 19:48:58	phrik	Title: View paste DERYK (at bpa.st)
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2023-06-15 19:49:34	teraflops	ah, it looks correct
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2023-06-15 19:50:11	teraflops	which DE/WM are you using? are you using ibus/fcitx5?
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2023-06-15 19:50:28	vysn	DWM
2023-06-15 19:51:42	teraflops	I guess that is a window manager, do you have by any chance a bindsym defined in your config that already uses crtl+space?
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2023-06-15 19:52:50	vysn	yes it's a Window Manager, I am not using fcitx5
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2023-06-15 19:53:18	vysn	ctrl+space was set for language switching. it was working fine until last weeks update
2023-06-15 19:53:28	teraflops	ibus uses crtl+space do you use it?
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2023-06-15 19:54:25	vysn	I am not using ibus either
2023-06-15 19:55:16	teraflops	if you rin the xkbmap command manually does it work?
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2023-06-15 19:56:00	vysn	do you mean this
2023-06-15 19:56:03	vysn	setxkbmap -layout us,ar -variant altgr-intl, -option grp:ctrl_space_toggle
2023-06-15 19:56:31	teraflops	yes
2023-06-15 19:56:51	vysn	returns an error: Error loading new keyboard description
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2023-06-15 19:57:12	vysn	running localectl --no-convert set-x11-keymap us,ar pc104 ,qwerty grp:ctrl_space_toggle
2023-06-15 19:57:32	vysn	also returns and error: Failed to set keymap: Specified keymap cannot be compiled, refusing as invalid.
2023-06-15 19:57:58	teraflops	isn't -model pc104?
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2023-06-15 19:59:15	vysn	localectl: unrecognized option '--model'
2023-06-15 19:59:35	teraflops	isn't there a typo in your keyboard config file? Option "XkbVariant" ",qwerty" the comma
2023-06-15 20:00:09	susi	what kind of layout is "us,ar" ?
2023-06-15 20:00:20	teraflops	english and arabic
2023-06-15 20:00:35	susi	is it specified that way, -layout us,ar ?
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2023-06-15 20:01:19	teraflops	these are the layouts you can switch from using crtl+space
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2023-06-15 20:02:26	teraflops	vysn: one dash not 2 dashes
2023-06-15 20:02:27	vysn	teraflops: I tried the command without the comma, also returned with the same error. I will try to remove the comman from the config file manually.
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2023-06-15 20:02:49	vysn	it was working fine before the update though.
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2023-06-15 20:03:10	vysn	with one dash it says localectl: invalid option -- 'm'
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2023-06-15 19:45:15	teraflops	ouch ;S
2023-06-15 19:45:24	Ennea	how come non-testing nvidia-utils is already 535.x but lib32-nvidia-utils is still 530.x, with 535.x still being in multilib-testing?
2023-06-15 19:45:31	Ennea	that seems a bit unintended
2023-06-15 19:45:47	vysn	teraflops: I thought it might have been something I said :D
2023-06-15 19:45:58	teraflops	vysn: nah sorry
2023-06-15 19:46:47	vysn	Welcome back
2023-06-15 19:48:03	teraflops	vysn: I cannot see where you specify the ctrl_space_toggle
2023-06-15 19:48:51	vysn	the first link was missing some code
2023-06-15 19:48:51	teraflops	vysn: are you using ibus/fcitx5 ?
2023-06-15 19:48:53	vysn	t here
2023-06-15 19:48:58	vysn	https://bpa.st/DERYK
2023-06-15 19:48:58	phrik	Title: View paste DERYK (at bpa.st)
2023-06-15 19:49:34	teraflops	ah, it looks correct
2023-06-15 19:50:11	teraflops	which DE/WM are you using? are you using ibus/fcitx5?
2023-06-15 19:50:28	vysn	DWM
2023-06-15 19:51:42	teraflops	I guess that is a window manager, do you have by any chance a bindsym defined in your config that already uses crtl+space?
2023-06-15 19:52:50	vysn	yes it's a Window Manager, I am not using fcitx5
2023-06-15 19:53:18	vysn	ctrl+space was set for language switching. it was working fine until last weeks update
2023-06-15 19:53:28	teraflops	ibus uses crtl+space do you use it?
2023-06-15 19:54:25	vysn	I am not using ibus either
2023-06-15 19:55:16	teraflops	if you rin the xkbmap command manually does it work?
2023-06-15 19:56:00	vysn	do you mean this
2023-06-15 19:56:03	vysn	setxkbmap -layout us,ar -variant altgr-intl, -option grp:ctrl_space_toggle
2023-06-15 19:56:32	teraflops	yes
2023-06-15 19:56:51	vysn	returns an error: Error loading new keyboard description
2023-06-15 19:57:12	vysn	running localectl --no-convert set-x11-keymap us,ar pc104 ,qwerty grp:ctrl_space_toggle
2023-06-15 19:57:32	vysn	also returns and error: Failed to set keymap: Specified keymap cannot be compiled, refusing as invalid.
2023-06-15 19:57:58	teraflops	isn't -model pc104?
2023-06-15 19:59:15	vysn	localectl: unrecognized option '--model'
2023-06-15 19:59:35	teraflops	isn't there a typo in your keyboard config file? Option "XkbVariant" ",qwerty" the comma
2023-06-15 20:00:09	susi	what kind of layout is "us,ar" ?
2023-06-15 20:00:20	teraflops	english and arabic
2023-06-15 20:00:35	susi	is it specified that way, -layout us,ar ?
2023-06-15 20:01:19	teraflops	these are the layouts you can switch from using crtl+space
2023-06-15 20:02:26	teraflops	vysn: one dash not 2 dashes
2023-06-15 20:02:26	vysn	teraflops: I tried the command without the comma, also returned with the same error. I will try to remove the comman from the config file manually.
2023-06-15 20:02:49	vysn	it was working fine before the update though.
2023-06-15 20:03:10	vysn	with one dash it says localectl: invalid option -- 'm'
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2023-06-15 20:06:45	teraflops	sorry idk why my headless machine goes to sleep
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2023-06-15 20:08:06	vysn	no problem. thank you for your guidance so far :)
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2023-06-15 20:09:59	teraflops	ah the comma is ok
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2023-06-15 20:12:13	teraflops	vysn: does it work for you? setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout "us,ar" -variant ,qwerty -option grp:ctrl_space_toggle
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2023-06-15 20:14:06	vysn	says Error loading new keyboard description
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2023-06-16 20:27:19	Disguised	whenever I update flatpak it shows a warning "Warning: Wrong size for extra data http://ciscobinary.openh264.org/libopenh264-2.2.0-linux64.6.so.bz2"
2023-06-16 20:27:25	Disguised	does anyone know why ?
2023-06-16 20:27:53	Disguised	https://i.imgur.com/nCnSUqd.png
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2023-06-16 20:34:39	Disguised	?
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2023-06-16 20:38:40	Namarrgon	corrupted download, probably
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2023-06-16 20:41:54	bumblefuzz	I'm trying to use my media card reader, which shows up in dmesg but not in lsusb or lsblk...any ideas?
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2023-06-16 20:43:41	Namarrgon	uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2023-06-16 20:45:51	bumblefuzz	6.1.30-1-lts && package 'linux' was not found
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2023-06-16 20:46:19	bumblefuzz	linux-lts 6.1.34-1
2023-06-16 20:46:26	lambda	reboot
2023-06-16 20:46:28	Namarrgon	you forgot to reboot into the new kernel?
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2023-06-16 20:46:33	bumblefuzz	uhhh
2023-06-16 20:46:35	bumblefuzz	maybe?
2023-06-16 20:46:39	bumblefuzz	1 sec
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2023-06-16 20:47:51	yitz	My systemd NFS mounts fail to mount on boot but work fine when I run it manually later. I get a "Network is unreachable" which implies it's running too early and not retrying. Any suggestions on what I might need to change?
2023-06-16 20:48:22	Edu4rdSHL	yitz, is systemd-networkd-wait-online enabled?
2023-06-16 20:49:30	yitz	     Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/systemd-networkd-wait-online.service; enabled; preset: disabled)
2023-06-16 20:49:36	yitz	I think so
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2023-06-16 20:55:53	Namarrgon	are these mounted via fstab? how do you manage the network connection?
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2023-06-16 21:00:53	susi	you could add to an fstab entry something x-systemd.automount,x-systemd.requires=network-online.target
2023-06-16 21:01:02	susi	something like*
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2023-06-16 21:06:26	gehidore	does that target wait for connectivity or just the interface to be upped?
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2023-06-16 21:07:11	bumblefuzz	so, I'm on step 5 of these instructions: https://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv8/broadcom/raspberry-pi-3
2023-06-16 21:07:17	phrik	Title: Raspberry Pi 3 | Arch Linux ARM (at archlinuxarm.org)
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2023-06-16 21:07:35	Namarrgon	!give bumblefuzz alarm
2023-06-16 21:07:36	phrik	bumblefuzz: If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
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2023-06-16 21:08:50	grym	hmm.  I downloaded a package source with `pkgctl repo clone --protocol=https sqlite`; modified the PKGBUILD to add a build flag, then ran `makepkg --install --force`, things certainly got built, i was prompted to install and said yes, but the build flag i enabled didn't take effect.  sqlite was already installed on my system before, so i'm attempting to overwrite that install with this one; what
2023-06-16 21:08:50	grym	am i 
2023-06-16 21:08:56	grym	missing?
2023-06-16 21:09:16	Namarrgon	how did you test the flag?
2023-06-16 21:09:24	Namarrgon	and what did you modify?
2023-06-16 21:09:37	grym	https://bpa.st/TUH4G  
2023-06-16 21:09:38	phrik	Title: View paste TUH4G (at bpa.st)
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2023-06-16 21:10:14	grym	Namarrgon: i added --enable-load-extension  to build() here: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/sqlite/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD#L57 
2023-06-16 21:10:15	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / sqlite · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2023-06-16 21:10:30	mohan43u	!paste
2023-06-16 21:10:31	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-06-16 21:10:38	susi	gehidore: "..is a target that actively waits until the nework is "up", where the definition of "up" is defined by the network management software."
2023-06-16 21:10:38	yitz	Namarrgon: All done via systemd units
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2023-06-16 21:10:52	Namarrgon	yitz: you wrote the mount units manually?
2023-06-16 21:10:56	yitz	Namarrgon: yes
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2023-06-16 21:11:16	yitz	I originally tried fstab based mounts but they didn't mount on boot, either :) 
2023-06-16 21:11:55	susi	I think with x-systemd.automount it mounts only when accessed
2023-06-16 21:11:56	Namarrgon	did you have _netdev in the mount-options when using fstab-generator?
2023-06-16 21:12:11	yitz	susi: Yeah. I didn't like that option as much
2023-06-16 21:12:31	yitz	Namarrgon: ... nope. I didn't include _netdev
2023-06-16 21:12:36	Namarrgon	well
2023-06-16 21:12:51	yitz	I could give that a go. I thought it could figure that out from it being NFS
2023-06-16 21:12:54	Namarrgon	how are your custom mount units ordered to ensure that the network is set up properly before they run?
2023-06-16 21:13:30	Edu4rdSHL	grym, can you post the PKGBUILD after modifying it?
2023-06-16 21:13:42	yitz	... I thought systemd worked that out. Do I need an explicit Requires=systemd-networkd-wait-online.service ?
2023-06-16 21:14:22	yitz	The Archlinux NFS wiki page explicitly says systemd assumes _netdev for NFS mounts
2023-06-16 21:14:25	grym	Edu4rdSHL: sure, https://bpa.st/OCZCA 
2023-06-16 21:14:27	phrik	Title: View paste OCZCA (at bpa.st)
2023-06-16 21:14:51	yitz	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NFS => The _netdev option tells the system to wait until the network is up before trying to mount the share - systemd assumes this for NFS.
2023-06-16 21:14:53	phrik	Title: NFS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-06-16 21:16:00	grym	Edu4rdSHL: and i am testing whether or not it worked with `SELECT sqlite_compileoption_used('ENABLE_LOAD_EXTENSION');` from a sqlite3 repl
2023-06-16 21:16:17	grym	(that query returns 0 right now but should return 1)
2023-06-16 21:16:30	Namarrgon	pacman -Qi sqlite
2023-06-16 21:17:21	grym	Namarrgon: https://bpa.st/CORUO  looks like it's at least getting installed by me (i'm assuming that's waht "unknown user" means, and the timestamp is right)
2023-06-16 21:17:22	phrik	Title: View paste CORUO (at bpa.st)
2023-06-16 21:17:59	grym	so i guess that's either 1. the build flag i'm passing is just wrong or 2. i have more to do in the PKGBUILD and don't know what it is 
2023-06-16 21:18:05	Namarrgon	"type -a sqlite3"
2023-06-16 21:18:28	grym	oo, there's two of them
2023-06-16 21:18:41	grym	one in /usr/bin and one in /bin 
2023-06-16 21:18:48	Namarrgon	fish?
2023-06-16 21:18:56	grym	the shell? no, zsh
2023-06-16 21:19:08	yitz	» readlink /bin
2023-06-16 21:19:08	yitz	usr/bin
2023-06-16 21:19:35	grym	either way, neither /usr/bin/sqlite3 nor /bin/sqlite3 report having loadable extensions enabled
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2023-06-16 21:19:48	Namarrgon	ls -l / /usr
2023-06-16 21:20:14	grym	one's a symlink to the other, indeed
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2023-06-16 21:20:45	Namarrgon	post the output
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2023-06-16 21:21:51	grym	Namarrgon: https://bpa.st/NMD4I
2023-06-16 21:21:52	phrik	Title: View paste NMD4I (at bpa.st)
2023-06-16 21:22:20	Namarrgon	do you still have the build logs?
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2023-06-16 21:27:46	grym	do they go anywhere other than stdout?
2023-06-16 21:28:01	Namarrgon	no, you have to run makepkg with -L
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2023-06-16 21:28:31	grym	ok. i can do that 
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2023-06-16 21:31:14	grym	will that drop a log in pwd, or somewhere else
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2023-06-16 21:31:39	Namarrgon	yes, in the directory with the PKGBUILD
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2023-06-16 21:31:58	grym	ah yeah there they are 
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2023-06-16 21:32:45	grym	some of those log files are empty, is that expected?
2023-06-16 21:33:05	grym	specifically, sqlite-3.42.0-1-x86_64-package_sqlite-doc.log sqlite-3.42.0-1-x86_64-package_lemon.log sqlite-3.42.0-1-x86_64-package_sqlite-analyzer.log sqlite-3.42.0-1-x86_64-package_sqlite-tcl.log are all empty 
2023-06-16 21:33:33	Namarrgon	probably a "bug" with split packages
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2023-06-16 21:33:46	jerry_	my cinnamon has been acting weird today. When I try to move an icon from one place to another on the desktop, it tries to copy it instead. I can't explain the behavior. Anybody have any ideas?
2023-06-16 21:34:01	grym	switching pastebins because one of the logs is big; here are the logs for  sqlite-3.42.0-1-x86_64-package_sqlite.log sqlite-3.42.0-1-x86_64-build.log sqlite-3.42.0-1-x86_64-prepare.log https://0x0.st/HTql.log https://0x0.st/HTqU.log https://0x0.st/HTq0.log 
2023-06-16 21:34:13	grym	the first one's ~45k
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2023-06-16 21:44:22	susi	my zsh does not report /bin/sqlite3 for type -a sqlite3; just 'sqlite3 is /usr/bin/sqlite3'
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2023-06-16 21:46:14	grym	oh interesting, mine are *not* symlinks 
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2023-06-16 21:46:47	grym	they do have identical hashes though :D
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2023-06-16 21:48:47	susi	/bin/sqlite3 should be /usr/bin/sqlite3, because /bin -> /usr/bin.. it's just weird that it reports like that for you
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2023-06-16 21:49:09	susi	do you have zsh 5.9
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2023-06-16 21:50:40	grym	yes
2023-06-16 21:51:53	susi	do `whence -s /bin/sqlite3'
2023-06-16 21:52:05	grym	ah there it is
2023-06-16 21:52:10	grym	/bin/sqlite3 -> /usr/bin/sqlite3
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2023-06-16 21:56:36	greentail	Hello. There's a website hosted in github.io, and it has comments. It says the comments are poweder by Talkyard. AFAIK github.io hosts static websites only. I went to Talkyard's website, and it says nothing of being able to run in static websites. 
2023-06-16 21:56:40	greentail	https://razvanmarinescu.github.io/why-are-generative-models-important/
2023-06-16 21:56:41	phrik	Title: Why are generative models important and useful? – Razvan Marinescu – Personal Blog (at razvanmarinescu.github.io)
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2023-06-16 21:57:00	greentail	So, how does it work? How is it possible that that static website has comments?  
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2023-06-16 21:57:56	grym	greentail: typically each commemnt is actually an issue in the backing repo
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2023-06-16 21:58:41	greentail	grym: https://razvanmarinescu.github.io/green-card-I-140/
2023-06-16 21:58:43	phrik	Title: EB1A I-140 Complete Petition Example for US green card – Razvan Marinescu – Personal Blog (at razvanmarinescu.github.io)
2023-06-16 21:59:06	greentail	grym:  for example, that website has comments. Is it possible to see those comments as issues in the github repo? Is that how Talkyard works? 
2023-06-16 21:59:11	demize	An issue per comment would be... silly.
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2023-06-16 21:59:30	demize	Anyway, it's just embedding some JavaScript from some software hosted elsewhere.
2023-06-16 21:59:30	grym	demize: nobody said it was a good idea 
2023-06-16 21:59:36	grym	but yes, that's all that's happening here 
2023-06-16 21:59:46	demize	grym: No, but I've never seen that silly of an implementation.
2023-06-16 21:59:48	grym	greentail: this system doesn't rely on backing issues as comments
2023-06-16 22:00:06	greentail	demize: So I can embed Javascript in a static website?  
2023-06-16 22:00:12	demize	What's somewhat common for those systems is an issue per post and then comments are comments on said issue.
2023-06-16 22:00:21	grym	ah, yes
2023-06-16 22:00:22	demize	greentail: Yes.  Why would you not be able to?
2023-06-16 22:00:44	◣	P1ro (~quassel@user/p1ro) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2023-06-16 22:00:51	greentail	demize: So what's the difference between a static website and a dynamic website, if I can just embed Javascript into a static website to have all the features of a dynamic website?  
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2023-06-16 22:01:47	demize	Eh, I think you're getting a bit confused by the same teams being used to mean multiple things.
2023-06-16 22:02:32	greentail	demize: s/teams/terms/
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2023-06-17 15:32:42	polarian	ah thats what they use under the hood 
2023-06-17 15:32:45	polarian	lol thanks 
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2023-06-17 15:34:54	tatsumaru	hey guys, for solving a compilation error with this package the proposed solution is to provide more ram to the process. I have 16gb so I assume the compilation is not utilizing all of it. how can I provide more ram?: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mongodb
2023-06-17 15:34:58	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - mongodb (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2023-06-17 15:35:14	Namarrgon	buy more ram
2023-06-17 15:35:29	Edu4rdSHL	lol
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2023-06-17 15:35:36	tirnanog	otherwise, your only option is to add (more?) swap.
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2023-06-17 15:35:56	Edu4rdSHL	tatsumaru, when you're building, check the ram usage instead of assuming that it isn't utilizing all of it
2023-06-17 15:36:35	tirnanog	if the kernel logs an OOM error then, by definition, there wasn't enough virtual memory to cover the working set.
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2023-06-17 15:36:42	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL doesn't have these problems with its 128GB of RAM and it's 5950X
2023-06-17 15:36:53	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL its*
2023-06-17 15:36:55	Namarrgon	mongodb is a known ram hog during the build
2023-06-17 15:37:18	tirnanog	but wait, can't you download ram?
2023-06-17 15:37:23	Edu4rdSHL	Yes
2023-06-17 15:37:28	Edu4rdSHL	You can ofc
2023-06-17 15:37:29	tirnanog	I knew it!
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2023-06-17 15:38:48	tirnanog	actually, I was wrong to say that's the only option. sometimes, reducing the degree of paralleism in the build process can help. so, either - or both - of those things.
2023-06-17 15:39:24	tirnanog	i.e. trading off the overall build time against memory usage.
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2023-06-17 16:03:00	tatsumaru	Edu4rdSHL: I will check now, good advice. Never assumed that something like mongodb might require more than 16gb ram to build. Do most developers run 32gb+ machines nowadays?
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2023-06-17 16:06:06	Repentinus	If you have the build directory on a ramdisk, consider moving it to a HDD/SSD instead.
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2023-06-17 16:07:26	Repentinus	If you utilize parallel compilation, try limiting the processes to 1 by passing "-j1" in MAKEFLAGS instead.
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2023-06-17 16:07:36	tatsumaru	Just monitored the whole process - got the error again and didn't get out of memory, barely 30% utilization.
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2023-06-17 16:08:58	Repentinus	Maybe share the actual build log then. ^^
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2023-06-17 16:10:32	tatsumaru	Repentinus: this is the last  1-2% : https://paste.rs/WCmDW.txt
2023-06-17 16:10:33	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
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2023-06-17 16:16:29	Scimmia	tatsumaru: most developers don't build mongodb
2023-06-17 16:16:56	tatsumaru	Scimmia: they use the binary instead?
2023-06-17 16:17:02	Scimmia	yep
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2023-06-17 16:19:37	Lartza	iirc it took hours when I last built mongodb so yeah...
2023-06-17 16:19:55	Lartza	Xeon E3-1246 v3 though
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2023-06-17 16:21:17	Scimmia	when it was in the repos, I remember the dev saying it took 8-10 hours on Arch's build server
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2023-06-17 16:22:43	causasui	there's an AUR package I want to use that has some installation process that shits all over my system. has anyone worked out a pattern for making a PKGBUILD in docker? wouldn't it be possible to generalize that to install any AUR package (or any package at all) by using 'archlinux:latest' and doing mkpkg? has this already been done?
2023-06-17 16:23:02	causasui	is this a crazy/dumb idea for any reason?
2023-06-17 16:23:28	Scimmia	causasui: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:Building_in_a_clean_chroot
2023-06-17 16:23:30	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:Building in a clean chroot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-06-17 16:23:36	Scimmia	how all packages in the repos are built
2023-06-17 16:24:00	Scimmia	uses systemd-nspawn
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2023-06-17 16:25:09	causasui	hmm seems like it solves a different problem
2023-06-17 16:25:34	sgtbradley	it might help to know how exactly such a thing "shits all over your system"
2023-06-17 16:25:37	sgtbradley	what exactly happens
2023-06-17 16:25:40	causasui	e.g. this package calls a shell script does 'pip3 install <thing>' about 40 times from a shell script
2023-06-17 16:25:53	causasui	not in a venv
2023-06-17 16:25:57	Scimmia	which would all be one in the chroot/container
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2023-06-17 16:26:11	tatsumaru	will setting makeflags to -j1 help if I am not experiencing memory issues?
2023-06-17 16:26:13	Scimmia	s/one/done
2023-06-17 16:26:16	tatsumaru	or rather could it help
2023-06-17 16:26:16	causasui	Scimmia: nope, it was blocked by my pip config
2023-06-17 16:26:35	causasui	because I set pip to refuse to work outside of a venv
2023-06-17 16:26:40	causasui	so the whole install failed
2023-06-17 16:27:01	sgtbradley	you always have the option of building the package manually then
2023-06-17 16:27:17	Scimmia	causasui: I don't see how that's relevant
2023-06-17 16:27:37	causasui	if it's in a clean chroot then why is my ~/.config/pip/pip.conf in play
2023-06-17 16:27:47	Scimmia	it's not
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2023-06-17 16:28:13	causasui	let me restate my question
2023-06-17 16:28:35	causasui	has anyone worked out a pattern for making a PKGBUILD in docker? wouldn't it be possible to generalize that to install any AUR package?
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2023-06-17 16:29:02	Scimmia	and I gave you a way to do it in a different container than docker using official Arch tools
2023-06-17 16:29:43	sgtbradley	you should do it that way but if you must do it in docker, it probably wouldnt be hard, just a dockerfile using an arch image that pulls and makes the aur repo, quite simple
2023-06-17 16:29:54	tirnanog	tatsumaru: I'm skeptical that you've established that it's not a memory issue. your paste provided no context (only showing the final conclusion that the build failed) or any information pertaining to memory usage. note that the kernel, itself, will write messages to the ring buffer in the case that the oom-killer kicks in. at least check that.
2023-06-17 16:30:18	causasui	sgtbradley: okay that's what I was thinking, I'll try it
2023-06-17 16:30:41	causasui	some of these machine learning and data science packages use very bad python packaging practices sadly
2023-06-17 16:30:52	Scimmia	causasui: did you bother reading the page I linked?
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2023-06-17 16:30:55	causasui	yes
2023-06-17 16:31:01	causasui	sorry you're mad it's just not a solution for my problem 
2023-06-17 16:31:06	sgtbradley	i dont see why building in a clean chroot isnt better though
2023-06-17 16:31:17	Scimmia	then what's the issue? IT IS A SOLUTION TO EXACTLY YOUR PROBLEM
2023-06-17 16:31:27	causasui	let's just say I'm too dumb to understand that and move on
2023-06-17 16:31:32	sgtbradley	lmao
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2023-06-17 16:31:52	Scimmia	too dumb to understand that docker isn't the only container solution?
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2023-06-17 16:32:09	causasui	I think it's the one I'm most comfortable with personally, idk why you malding about that but hey it's the internet I guess
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2023-06-17 16:32:58	Scimmia	hey, if you want to do things the hard way instead of what's already set up and been proven thousands of times, that's onyou
2023-06-17 16:33:28	causasui	I dunno, I work with docker all day in my day job, so to me it's not hard, but I'm not as familiar with this here
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2023-06-17 16:33:39	causasui	isn't it great that there's a variety of options?
2023-06-17 16:33:54	Scimmia	and yet you had to come here to ask how to do it
2023-06-17 16:33:58	Edu4rdSHL	tatsumaru, sadly, even for normal users 16GB of RAM is recommended since that most IM apps, browsers and so on are likely to use at least 1GB of RAM (mostly because electron)
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2023-06-17 16:34:22	causasui	aight I'm gonna roll out before your blood pressure spikes any further LOL
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2023-06-17 16:34:35	vysn	has anyone experience libvirt or virt-manager freezing on connecting after a recent update?
2023-06-17 16:34:37	farkenvoid	LOL
2023-06-17 16:34:44	Edu4rdSHL	vysn, no
2023-06-17 16:34:49	Edu4rdSHL	Check the journal
2023-06-17 16:35:29	vysn	hmm. this might be it
2023-06-17 16:35:32	vysn	bvirtd[108931]: End of file while reading data: Input/output error
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2023-06-17 16:36:31	Edu4rdSHL	Is your disk space just fine?
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2023-06-17 16:36:47	vysn	the thing is that it works fine after a fresh restart. give it several minutes and virt-manager no longer connects
2023-06-17 16:37:32	vysn	Edu4rdSHL: yup just checked. plenty of free disk space
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2023-06-17 16:38:12	Edu4rdSHL	Can you share the full journal log (without grep-ing) 
2023-06-17 16:38:14	ℹ 	sgtbradley es conocido ahora como gill6151
2023-06-17 16:38:40	vysn	I just checked ram and it's low. 1% free. never expected 64 gigs or ram to run out in linux lol
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2023-06-17 16:39:40	Edu4rdSHL	Check what's using it, maybe there's another problem
2023-06-17 16:40:11	Edu4rdSHL	Even TBs of RAM can run out on any system if there's something that will use it :p
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2023-06-17 16:42:53	raster	vysn: is it really 1% free
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2023-06-17 16:43:12	raster	or is it just disk cache has finally populated all of ram with filesystem stuff that is now residing in ram for speed reasons
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2023-06-17 16:44:33	vysn	systemd is occupying 14 Gigs in total
2023-06-17 16:44:40	vysn	I have around 16800
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2023-06-17 16:45:10	MacGyver	vysn: And what happens if you do `echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches`?
2023-06-17 16:45:44	raster	vsy is it really using 14g?
2023-06-17 16:45:48	vysn	I have around 16.5 gigs stored for hugepages/ VM hardware passthrough and looking glass
2023-06-17 16:45:51	raster	or has it just mmaped 14g of files?
2023-06-17 16:46:14	vysn	20 gigs cached
2023-06-17 16:46:28	raster	well then... thats a lot of fs cache - not actually used
2023-06-17 16:46:53	raster	a well used system should hve no "free" ram and have used all spare ram for buffers and cache if possible
2023-06-17 16:47:15	raster	thats a smoothly running system
2023-06-17 16:47:22	Edu4rdSHL	I agree
2023-06-17 16:47:43	Edu4rdSHL	Now, what's cache and what's really "busy" RAM are two different things
2023-06-17 16:47:52	raster	my favorite way to load files is to mmap them- not read/fread them
2023-06-17 16:47:58	vysn	MacGyver: after that could I got 19 gigs back from cache
2023-06-17 16:48:02	raster	because this does avoid a memcpy
2023-06-17 16:48:27	raster	not so obvious when your disk is your bottleneck but once stuff is cached the mmap of the file is a "window" into the file that is shared between all users of it
2023-06-17 16:48:29	raster	with no copies
2023-06-17 16:48:54	raster	but then loading a file appears to use ram as its using parts of cache for the whole file content you access
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2023-06-17 16:50:07	MacGyver	vysn: In other words, you still had 19 GiB of memory available.
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2023-06-17 16:50:20	MacGyver	Which was being used efficiently by the system.
2023-06-17 16:50:32	vysn	raster: how can I find out if systemd is using 14gigs or just mmaped 14 gigs of files?
2023-06-17 16:51:09	raster	pmap
2023-06-17 16:51:12	vysn	oh ok. my setup is well maintained and running is expected? :
2023-06-17 16:51:30	raster	pmap PID
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2023-06-17 16:51:55	raster	it'll at least tell you all the virtual mappingsit won't tell you which pages are used in each mapping
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2023-06-17 17:14:20	tatsumaru	Repentinus: here's stdout and stderr: https://paste.rs/b6PVi.txt
2023-06-17 17:14:21	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-06-17 17:15:03	raster	Ingar: yeah - unreleased b ecause i'm far from happy with it. it's not fit for consumption atm
2023-06-17 17:15:09	raster	its slow to build large memory maps
2023-06-17 17:15:15	raster	very slow
2023-06-17 17:15:24	raster	i want all the sections to be expandable
2023-06-17 17:15:43	raster	i want it to do its party trick of showing which areas are actually hot or not which i have not done yet
2023-06-17 17:16:10	raster	i need it to have more summary and overlay info and what not
2023-06-17 17:16:29	raster	before i'd release it even as an initial drop
2023-06-17 17:17:27	raster	need to of course make it walk memory pages in threads to not block the gui while it walks and updates
2023-06-17 17:17:38	Khorne	pppddsjf, on plugin, no. systemd.automount can mount on access though.. not quite the same but maybe similar enough
2023-06-17 17:18:46	raster	i was mulling it might be nice to have a hex dump of those pages too... i need to check i can actually get the age content though... at least in the past /dev/kmem wuld have allowed me to look at it ... hel-l being able to modify mem of a process in-place might be fun too
2023-06-17 17:18:52	pppddsjf	thanks. wdym by access? if I do ls -l it means access? 
2023-06-17 17:19:21	Khorne	Yea
2023-06-17 17:19:43	Khorne	!man systemd.automount
2023-06-17 17:19:43	phrik	Khorne: https://man.archlinux.org/man/systemd.automount#
2023-06-17 17:20:28	pppddsjf	thanks. saw this. this line does not work for me (works only when I manually mount): UUID=D05A-F9F4    /mnt/movies    exfat   defaults,nofail,x-systemd.automount   0 0
2023-06-17 17:21:11	raster	anyway - need time to get back to the tool - my life has been abducted by builders.... when  get time again i can polish the tool off
2023-06-17 17:38:07	Repentinus	tatsumaru, clearly the compiler considers src/mongo/util/ctype.h to be syntactically invalid.
2023-06-17 17:39:01	Repentinus	So if this PKGBUILD builds for other people, the issue likely has something to do with your makepkg configuration.
2023-06-17 17:39:37	tatsumaru	Hmm, Repentinus does this sound like something that would be hard to debug?
2023-06-17 17:39:47	tatsumaru	If so, I will just go with the binary
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2023-06-17 17:59:01	vysn	journalctl?
2023-06-17 17:59:28	MacGyver	Yeah.
2023-06-17 18:00:25	vysn	will do
2023-06-17 18:00:39	vysn	Thank you :)
2023-06-17 18:08:50	zeratul	how do I change the resolution of the XFCE login screen?
2023-06-17 18:10:57	astralc	xfce doesn't have its own display manager
2023-06-17 18:17:05	zeratul	ok so how do I chang the resolution of the login screen?
2023-06-17 18:19:10	jensen	is there a utility that can log power consumption over time? i need to bring laptop for long road trip soon, want to test one or more combinations of tlp, power-profiles-daemon, cpu-autofreq. powertop can't log this afaik. or if anyone has experiences testing this aleady with an XPS 13 laptop
2023-06-17 18:20:22	jensen	i'm curious why Gnome/KDE (Fedora/Ubuntu) shifted to using power-profiles-daemon and why it conflicts with tlp, tlp does much more. afaik the only unique feature of PPD is it can detect and use "bios/uefi" suggested configurations on runtime
2023-06-17 18:24:36	unit-5370	removing yay... can i -Rns base-devel just fine?
2023-06-17 18:28:36	ectospasm	unit-5370:  do you need base-devel for anything else?  If you intend to install other AUR packages, either with makepkg or using another AUR helper, you'll probably want to keep base-devel.
2023-06-17 18:29:54	unit-5370	ectospasm: can i f#@% with Arch by using 'pacman -Rns'?
2023-06-17 18:30:10	ectospasm	unit-5370: you can, if you're not careful.  
2023-06-17 18:30:26	unit-5370	ok!
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2023-06-17 18:47:13	ectospasm	Ahh, so su *IS* older than me!
2023-06-17 18:47:23	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-06-17 18:48:52	ℹ 	pescepalla1 es conocido ahora como pescepalla
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2023-06-17 18:52:17	ectospasm	I guess dd doesn't mention when the command first appeared
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2023-06-17 18:53:08	Earnestly	1974
2023-06-17 18:53:52	unit-5370	Unix 5
2023-06-17 18:54:31	unit-5370	there is not even a logo T.T
2023-06-17 18:54:38	ectospasm	Hmmm, I'm having trouble finding a man page which does.  crontab man page mentions it first appeared in SVR3, but doesn't give a date.
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2023-06-17 18:58:01	tirnanog	I wouldn't expect much from the gnu documentation in his regard. try the openbsd man pages.
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2023-06-17 18:58:12	tirnanog	this, rather.
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2023-06-17 18:59:18	unit-5370	soon the elders who can register history for that will _ascend_
2023-06-17 18:59:32	◣	mohammad5305 (~mohammad@static.20.187.107.91.clients.your-server.de) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2023-06-17 18:59:51	unit-5370	any book about FOSS software history?
2023-06-17 19:00:18	Oddmonger	usenet archives are epic :)
2023-06-17 19:00:53	unit-5370	*-*
2023-06-17 19:00:56	unit-5370	cool website
2023-06-17 19:01:54	◥	jl2 (~jl2@user/jl2) has joined #archlinux
2023-06-17 19:01:59	unit-5370	1991 and the guy still do not know how to use pacman for installing sudo
2023-06-17 19:02:04	unit-5370	kekek
2023-06-17 19:02:15	susi	any idea what's happening, for the first time ever, after 'reboot' this happened: https://i.imgur.com/P1J6NOt.jpg
2023-06-17 19:02:34	susi	my wireless drivers borked completely and had to reboot, but then that happened
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2023-06-17 19:03:34	susi	the last message is kvm: exiting hardware virtualization
2023-06-17 19:03:48	susi	though it didn't reboot until reisub
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2023-06-17 19:05:32	ectospasm	That looks like it was shutting down, by the looks of the relative timestamps.
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2023-06-17 19:06:50	ectospasm	The system had been up ~17 hours before that happened.
2023-06-17 19:07:03	ectospasm	If my calculation is correct.
2023-06-17 19:07:08	ectospasm	susi: ^
2023-06-17 19:07:38	ectospasm	Is this a VM?
2023-06-17 19:07:52	mkoskar	hmm hard to tell, "detected capacity change from X to 0" seems kinda scary/interesting tho heh
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2023-06-17 19:08:36	mkoskar	well I suppose it's normal wrt detaching? idk
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2023-06-17 19:08:41	ectospasm	That's probably just the md arrays getting detached, yeah.
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2023-06-17 19:09:01	susi	ectospasm: it's not a vm
2023-06-17 19:09:08	susi	and never had seen these kind of messages before 
2023-06-17 19:09:10	ectospasm	I really think it hung on shutting down, it hadn't rebooted yet.
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2023-06-17 19:10:06	susi	why it says 'kvm: exiting hardware virtualization' - even though this is not a virtualized arch?
2023-06-17 19:10:31	ectospasm	susi: do you/did you have any VMs running on this host before the problem started?
2023-06-17 19:10:35	susi	nope
2023-06-17 19:10:45	ectospasm	Do you have libvirt installed?
2023-06-17 19:10:55	ectospasm	That's probably normal for a shutdown, to be honest
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2023-06-17 19:11:06	susi	no I don't
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2023-06-17 19:11:52	ectospasm	I'd probably do a full power cycle/cold boot on it.  From the looks of it your md arrays were already detached, so your disks shouldn't be in a bad state
2023-06-17 19:12:26	susi	md arrays? I should not have any 'md arrays'
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2023-06-17 19:17:52	susi	in journalctl -b-1 I don't have any mention of 'kvm'
2023-06-17 19:18:07	susi	am I a target of government agencies?
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2023-06-17 19:18:31	ectospasm	That kvm message probably printed after journald had stopped.
2023-06-17 19:18:57	ectospasm	It sounds like you've rebooted, are you having the WiFi issue still?
2023-06-17 19:19:21	susi	I'm not having issues anymore, `reboot' and then it stopped where I posted the image, and reisub'd
2023-06-17 19:19:46	ectospasm	Yeah, I would have just done a full power cycle/cold boot, instead of a magic sysreq key
2023-06-17 19:20:21	ectospasm	It clearly showed everything had been unmounted, so you were probably safe for a complete power cycle via the power button on your laptop.
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2023-06-17 19:21:41	ectospasm	If you're concerned about that kvm message, you can blacklist the module for it so it doesn't happen again.  But then you'll likely not be able to run any VMs should you choose to do so at a later time.
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2023-06-17 19:21:55	ectospasm	That's basically what tirnanog suggested.
2023-06-17 19:21:57	susi	just that this was first time ever this happens
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2023-06-17 19:22:45	tirnanog	well, it's worth it as a troubleshooting step, at least.
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2023-06-17 19:23:07	tirnanog	if, indeed, any of the associated modules are loaded upon booting (they often are).
2023-06-17 19:23:08	ectospasm	I wouldn't worry about it too much, sometimes this happens on shutdown.  Whatever caused your WiFi failure was probably related, could have been an overheating problem, or something inside the laptop had the wrong bit flipped which cleared with the reboot.
2023-06-17 19:23:26	tirnanog	(and it's reproducible to begin with)
2023-06-17 19:23:41	ectospasm	Right, something like this doesn't seem reproducible.
2023-06-17 19:24:09	ectospasm	You could probably shutdown the same way you did when this happened, and not see it again even if you shutdown 100 times.
2023-06-17 19:24:09	susi	why would this wifi problem cause these kvm and such messages
2023-06-17 19:24:21	tirnanog	because the kernel is chock full of bugs.
2023-06-17 19:24:30	tirnanog	and any defect can put the kernel into an undefinable state.
2023-06-17 19:24:38	tirnanog	that's the most general answer that can be given.
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2023-06-18 16:20:58	tatsumaru	lb9di: I deleted the .sock file and now it works
2023-06-18 16:21:01	mpan	lb9di: did you run mongodb directly as root earlier? For testing or otherwise?
2023-06-18 16:21:08	mpan	tatsumaru: ↑
2023-06-18 16:21:48	tatsumaru	mpan: I ran systemctl start mongod.service as root
2023-06-18 16:22:32	Repentinus	Not the question.
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2023-06-18 16:22:46	Repentinus	You need root permissions for the creation of the symlink.
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2023-06-18 16:23:18	Repentinus	But presumably the service starts mongodb under a dedicated system user.
2023-06-18 16:23:27	Namarrgon	which package did you end up building?
2023-06-18 16:23:32	mpan	tatsumaru: yes, that is expected. I was thinking more among the lines of runing mongodb directly, not as a service. Trying to guess, what caused the file to be there in the first place.
2023-06-18 16:23:39	tatsumaru	Namarrgon: I used the bin in the end
2023-06-18 16:23:45	Namarrgon	aur/mongodb-bin?
2023-06-18 16:23:50	tatsumaru	Namarrgon: yes
2023-06-18 16:23:54	Repentinus	So if you actually ran it as root earlier, it could have created conflicting files.
2023-06-18 16:23:57	Namarrgon	or the one from the third-party repo?
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2023-06-18 16:49:37	Disguised	lb9di: I don't know about that but nvidia has a lot of problems in linux
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2023-06-18 16:51:02	lb9di	Disguised: amd has even more problems
2023-06-18 16:51:14	⚡ 	lb9di uses amd, intel and nvidia and they all suck
2023-06-18 16:51:21	lb9di	just in different ways
2023-06-18 16:51:32	lb9di	for gaming, nvidia > * really
2023-06-18 16:51:53	lb9di	for desktop stuff, not having nvidia is nice due to better wayland support
2023-06-18 16:52:10	Scimmia	things have gotten far better for AMD, and nvidia-open is heading in the right direction for nvidia
2023-06-18 16:52:44	lb9di	but then again, e.g. hw encoding/decoding on intel and amd is pretty bad compared to nvidia, depending on the format
2023-06-18 16:52:59	lb9di	and of course cuda etc
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2023-06-18 16:53:29	lb9di	want to do 3d scanning? good luck if you don't have nvidia
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2023-06-18 16:53:55	Namarrgon	get one of each
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2023-06-18 17:22:57	pulec	only overall perf tools, hmm
2023-06-18 17:28:20	nimbius	just curious i thought we deprecated mkinitcpio in favour of dracut?
2023-06-18 17:29:15	mion	nimbius: nope
2023-06-18 17:29:35	mion	nimbius: and since that discussion, booster was invented
2023-06-18 17:31:14	nimbius	mion: interesting.  so why booster? why mkinitcpio? is there a link to any of that discussion?
2023-06-18 17:32:06	nimbius	can booster create a unified kernel image for efi?
2023-06-18 17:32:20	mion	booster is really fast which is nice
2023-06-18 17:32:42	nimbius	does booster get around the EFI path issue mkinitcpio had
2023-06-18 17:33:30	mion	depends on what path issues you are thinking about
2023-06-18 17:34:06	nimbius	i have to bind mount the full path to the EFI directory in my efi partition because mkinitcpio only drops the kernel and initram in one spot
2023-06-18 17:34:40	mion	mkinitcpio can drop them wherever you like
2023-06-18 17:34:59	nimbius	i was told i had to bindmount the path.
2023-06-18 17:35:04	nimbius	or use a hook 
2023-06-18 17:35:13	mion	ages ago?
2023-06-18 17:35:46	nimbius	probably i am just now getting around to reimaging my machine to support luks2, unified kernel image, xfs with dedup...;_;
2023-06-18 17:37:02	mion	mkinitcpio now installs the kernel/initrd by the way of a hook, which you of course can override
2023-06-18 17:37:40	mion	there have been some thoughts about moving to systemd's kernel install though
2023-06-18 17:39:31	nimbius	hm./
2023-06-18 17:40:39	zeratul	you know of an app that can defragment EXT4 ?
2023-06-18 17:41:04	mion	why do you think you need to defrag?
2023-06-18 17:41:12	HaMsTeRs	hello everyone, I'm looking for a NAS for centralize my data + iSCSI storage for VM.  Are there any good suggestion?  I've been struggle on this subject for almost one full month.  I'm thinking QNAP TS-253e + ironwolf pro storage + wd 500G ssd for cache.  Could anyone please share some comments?  I don't want to regret the decision.  Thanks in advance.
2023-06-18 17:41:48	mion	but the obvious tool would be e4defrag if you are talking about file level fragmentation
2023-06-18 17:42:03	nimbius	just found the thread on the dracut discussion in pipermail
2023-06-18 17:42:34	mion	also some of the e2fsck flags
2023-06-18 17:43:04	mion	HaMsTeRs: build your own?
2023-06-18 17:43:40	mion	HaMsTeRs: other than that synology is pretty much the gold standard
2023-06-18 17:43:54	HaMsTeRs	mion: thanks for reply.  I did thought about it, but ended up I need the raid and auto teir with ssd cache
2023-06-18 17:44:14	mion	HaMsTeRs: qnap got a horrible security track record and some other software issues
2023-06-18 17:44:31	mion	they have better hardware usually than syn, but worse software
2023-06-18 17:44:53	Repentinus	A Linux or BSD server with ZFS or btrfs, then fs send/recv.
2023-06-18 17:45:01	mion	HaMsTeRs: also, exos drives are really good value/tb
2023-06-18 17:46:06	HaMsTeRs	mion: I found that 10TB exos aren't much expansive than ironwolf pro
2023-06-18 17:46:09	Repentinus	NFS or sshfs for non-backup stuff on the NAS.
2023-06-18 17:46:21	Repentinus	And shuckable disks used to be the cheapest per TB.
2023-06-18 17:46:27	mion	HaMsTeRs: the 14/16 tb ones are usually the best value
2023-06-18 17:46:34	mion	can sometimes find them under 300usd new
2023-06-18 17:46:49	HaMsTeRs	so I'm also considering exos.   and yes, i know that qnap for some serious security issue.  that's why I'm thinking to place it in local LAN only.
2023-06-18 17:46:55	HaMsTeRs	no internet access
2023-06-18 17:46:56	mion	similar in price to a 10tb ironwolf
2023-06-18 17:47:35	mion	also, don't get a two bay, you will probably regret it later
2023-06-18 17:48:08	HaMsTeRs	ahhhh
2023-06-18 17:48:18	mion	and really, consider building yourself and eg putting freenas scale on it
2023-06-18 17:48:49	HaMsTeRs	they said they got some enclosure for expansion...  not sure abt the speed though
2023-06-18 17:48:51	mion	(or core for the better smb performance)
2023-06-18 17:49:30	mion	optionally virtualised, so that you can easily use the box for other things too
2023-06-18 17:52:04	HaMsTeRs	I found that lots of performance HPE / Dell servers floating around the used market (something like 128GB RAM + plenty of TB spaces)...   but it's too power consuming and noise issue
2023-06-18 17:53:06	mion	intel n100 or similar
2023-06-18 17:54:26	mion	or some cheap used amd >= 3xxx or intel >= 10xxx hardware
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2023-06-18 18:20:43	mion	HaMsTeRs: https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php
2023-06-18 18:20:45	phrik	Title: ServeTheHome Forums (at forums.servethehome.com)
2023-06-18 18:21:13	mion	HaMsTeRs: and of course the arch wiki :p
2023-06-18 18:21:26	mion	you could use arch as the base os for your nas if you like
2023-06-18 18:23:18	Repentinus	Preferably with the hardened kernel.
2023-06-18 18:25:28	HaMsTeRs	thanks mion.  
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2023-06-18 19:12:32	susi	> P.S. If you think Apache is bad, take a look at BIND. 
2023-06-18 19:12:36	susi	does this have any truth to it?
2023-06-18 19:15:18	alad	here's a life lesson, don't take vague dismissive statements seriously
2023-06-18 19:24:24	visious	rcf: Ignore the lines in PKGBUILD 179 and 180 to make no-compat32 driver https://pastebin.com/g80pDyWi
2023-06-18 19:24:25	phrik	Title: nvidia-dkms 32-Bit - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-06-18 19:24:25	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HTQb.txt
2023-06-18 19:27:16	visious	rcf: I dont know why are .DLL files, possible for wine. I don't use wine I'm 100% Arch
2023-06-18 19:28:58	visious	Is working perfectly fine.
2023-06-18 19:32:50	visious	rcf: Here https://pastebin.com/faCFQEjM wrong PKGBUILD
2023-06-18 19:32:51	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HTQP.txt
2023-06-18 19:32:52	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2023-06-18 19:35:51	visious	rcf: Ignore the lines in PKGBUILD 180 and 181
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2023-06-19 11:39:13	tux	imkx: no once the system freezes it is permanently on ice until forceful reboot.
2023-06-19 11:39:49	imkx	Then I am guessing that the freezes come from the RAM filling up and SWAP space missing. It would be nice to know which process consumes the RAM
2023-06-19 11:40:10	zipper	My sound issues persist damn
2023-06-19 11:40:38	gromit	tux: you could try the poor mans netconsole, aka ssh into the systemd and dmesg --follow
2023-06-19 11:40:46	gromit	also there is the real thing https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/General_troubleshooting#netconsole
2023-06-19 11:40:51	phrik	Title: General troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-06-19 11:45:47	pulsar12	imkx: agree, unless there is a kernel bug on the btrfs driver that would lead to lockup right?
2023-06-19 11:46:16	pulsar12	regarding IO
2023-06-19 11:48:51	imkx	well, it seems to be somewhat related to the ram. if it's not, it's probably a kernel driver going wild.
2023-06-19 11:48:58	imkx	the steamvr kernel driver does that sometimes
2023-06-19 11:50:39	susi	zipper: maybe time to investigate a bit more 
2023-06-19 11:52:18	susi	tux: you happen to have some indexing service running there, like tracker?
2023-06-19 11:53:43	susi	or baloo if kde, or something else
2023-06-19 11:53:57	zipper	susi: Yes. I suspect it's related to screen sharing stuff I installed. I will uninstall it.
2023-06-19 11:54:09	elichai2	Hi, I enabled reflector.service, which contains `After=network-online.target nss-lookup.target` and `NetworkManager-wait-online.service` is enabled, but I still see that it always fails with: `URLError: <urlopen error [Errno -3] Temporary failure in name resolution>`
2023-06-19 11:54:28	elichai2	Running `systemctl list-dependencies --reverse nss-lookup.target` gives me `nss-lookup.target`
2023-06-19 11:55:14	elichai2	I also see that `nss-lookup.target` itself is "static", should I enable it?
2023-06-19 11:56:10	susi	you can't enable a static unit/target
2023-06-19 11:57:25	susi	but just try, and you'll get a good explainer from systemctl
2023-06-19 12:33:02	ryzenda	I just updated curl and now I can't update other packages with pacman. I see --> pacman: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2023-06-19 12:33:25	Namarrgon	partial updates are unsupported
2023-06-19 12:33:28	mion	!give ryzenda partial
2023-06-19 12:33:30	phrik	ryzenda: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/System_maintenance#Partial_upgrades_are_unsupported -- For how to fix, see: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/General_troubleshooting#Fixing_a_broken_system
2023-06-19 12:33:40	ryzenda	also reading https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Pacman_crashes_during_an_upgrade
2023-06-19 12:33:42	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-06-19 12:33:49	mion	ryzenda: easiest way to fix: boot install image and update everything from there
2023-06-19 12:33:50	tirnanog	a lesson learned the hard way. if you have wget installed, you could set a different XferCommand, temporarily.
2023-06-19 12:34:21	Namarrgon	pacman is linked against libcurl
2023-06-19 12:34:32	tirnanog	oh. so much for that.
2023-06-19 12:36:58	anon6435	does someone know how to fix "Error while communicating with the global shortcuts service" in kde plasma?
2023-06-19 12:37:25	anon6435	guy that talked to me in #kde have no clue
2023-06-19 12:37:55	Namarrgon	how do you provoke that error?
2023-06-19 12:38:24	mion	anon6435: pacman -Q kglobalaccel
2023-06-19 12:38:38	lkh	Hi all, still having trouble with X failing on boot. Although startx works fine, once logged in. systemctl reports failure of xdm-archlinux.service. I found this discussion https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=259014 on the web, but it's from 2020. Hasn't the issue been fixed upstream? Any pointer to more recent solutions?
2023-06-19 12:38:39	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] XDM doesn't execute at system startup / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-06-19 12:39:06	mion	lkh: test with a different dm
2023-06-19 12:39:21	mion	or read your logs as a start
2023-06-19 12:39:51	anon6435	I opened system settings and there opened shortcuts tab
2023-06-19 12:39:54	lkh	I read the logs, X fails before xdm even starts.
2023-06-19 12:40:06	mion	due to?
2023-06-19 12:40:20	mion	anon6435: what was the output?
2023-06-19 12:40:46	anon6435	output of what?
2023-06-19 12:40:57	mion	12:38:24         mion │ anon6435: pacman -Q kglobalaccel
2023-06-19 12:41:09	anon6435	i
2023-06-19 12:41:13	anon6435	it is installed
2023-06-19 12:41:15	susi	lkh: maybe you ought to post some X logs for us
2023-06-19 12:41:29	mion	broken dbus session?
2023-06-19 12:41:39	anon6435	and running systemctl --user status plasma-kglobalaccel.service
2023-06-19 12:41:39	anon6435	● plasma-kglobalaccel.service - KDE Global Shortcuts Server
2023-06-19 12:41:40	anon6435	     Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/plasma-kglobalaccel.service; static)
2023-06-19 12:41:40	anon6435	     Active: active (running) since Mon 2023-06-19 12:54:16 MSK; 47min ago
2023-06-19 12:41:40	anon6435	   Main PID: 691 (kglobalaccel5)
2023-06-19 12:41:40	anon6435	      Tasks: 3 (limit: 38274)
2023-06-19 12:41:42	anon6435	     Memory: 5.7M
2023-06-19 12:41:44	anon6435	        CPU: 213ms
2023-06-19 12:41:46	anon6435	     CGroup: /user.slice/user-1000.slice/user@1000.service/background.slice/plasma-kglobalaccel.service
2023-06-19 12:41:48	anon6435	             └─691 /usr/bin/kglobalaccel5
2023-06-19 12:41:54	tonitch	rip
2023-06-19 12:41:55	lkh	mion, my Xorg.log is here : https://bin.disroot.org/?f419909c1d3137fb#SjXMZHtws41jGzoDZyoEWk2xh72Vtt21sbfCLgL8CJg 
2023-06-19 12:41:57	phrik	Title: Disroot Bin - Encrypted pastebin by PrivateBin (at bin.disroot.org)
2023-06-19 12:43:07	susi	lkh: do you got files under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
2023-06-19 12:43:35	lkh	just a 00-keyboard.conf
2023-06-19 12:44:21	mion	if startx works, I would suspect that xdm (or the .service) is doing something silly
2023-06-19 12:44:54	susi	hmm, maybe xdm does not support rootless xorg?
2023-06-19 12:45:08	mion	pretty damn sure it doesn't
2023-06-19 12:45:21	mion	afaik only gdm does
2023-06-19 12:45:28	mion	(until a future sddm release)
2023-06-19 12:45:34	lkh	well, but it works, once I'm logged in. I can start xdm as root just fine.
2023-06-19 12:46:10	lkh	also it used to work, when I installed the machine 2 years ago. Ceased to work after some update, which I don't remember.
2023-06-19 12:46:10	susi	is xdm-archlinux.service a user unit or a system unit?
2023-06-19 12:46:18	mion	anon6435: printenv DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
2023-06-19 12:46:55	lkh	susi: how can I tell the difference? :shrugs:
2023-06-19 12:47:17	susi	lkh: do you see it's status with or without --user given to systemctl
2023-06-19 12:48:26	lkh	it shows up without --user, so system unit, right?
2023-06-19 12:49:15	anon6435	unix:path=/run/user/1000/bus
2023-06-19 12:49:24	mpan	anon6435: use a sane paste service to post longer snippets:
2023-06-19 12:49:25	mpan	!paste
2023-06-19 12:49:26	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-06-19 12:49:31	mpan	Otherwise EMIYA will kick you for spam.
2023-06-19 12:49:38	tux	susi: "tux you happen to have some indexing service running there, like tracker?" You mean like Baloo? no it's the first time I disable when installing KDE 
2023-06-19 12:50:39	anon6435	!ix
2023-06-19 12:50:39	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2023-06-19 12:50:48	anon6435	!rs
2023-06-19 12:50:48	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2023-06-19 12:51:12	susi	tux: hmm, could plocate/mlocate's updatedb be that resource-intensive
2023-06-19 12:51:31	imkx	ix also has a script that you can install on your system and then just do <command to print output> | ix
2023-06-19 12:51:48	susi	^one can find it here: http://ix.io/client
2023-06-19 12:52:07	susi	0x0.st also has a script
2023-06-19 12:52:40	anon6435	I don't quite understand how it works for now but whatever
2023-06-19 12:52:48	anon6435	is this DBUS output  ok?
2023-06-19 12:53:10	Namarrgon	how do you start kde?
2023-06-19 12:53:26	anon6435	sddm
2023-06-19 12:53:38	Namarrgon	create a clean user account and test it there, too
2023-06-19 12:54:34	anon6435	ok
2023-06-19 12:54:43	anon6435	see you after I relogin, twice
2023-06-19 12:57:55	anon6435	ok, the problem is in my /home/user since in newly created user it works just fine
2023-06-19 12:58:04	anon6435	any ideas what might've caused it?
2023-06-19 12:58:08	anon6435	or how to fix it?
2023-06-19 12:58:28	anon6435	I don't feel like creating a whole new user and reconfiguring everything from 0
2023-06-19 12:58:39	Namarrgon	start moving (kde) configs until it starts working
2023-06-19 12:59:29	anon6435	would just reseting kde config actually help?
2023-06-19 12:59:52	Namarrgon	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470549
2023-06-19 12:59:56	phrik	Title: 470549 – Error while communicating with the global shortcuts service (at bugs.kde.org)
2023-06-19 13:18:50	Disguised	can anyone help me ? I tried to install systemd boot and after reboot it is not working and dropping me into an emergency shell
2023-06-19 13:19:00	Disguised	https://i.imgur.com/m0fJV6d.png
2023-06-19 13:19:53	grawity	is that UUID actually correct
2023-06-19 13:19:53	tonitch	might be a problem with your fstab ?
2023-06-19 13:20:35	Disguised	But I did genfstab -U >> /mnt/etc/fstab before 
2023-06-19 13:20:52	tonitch	check that UUID in /etc/fstab are the same that those shown on `fdisk -l` Disguised 
2023-06-19 13:21:00	grawity	the rootfs isn't mounted according to your fstab either way
2023-06-19 13:21:21	grawity	it's mounted according to what you have in root= in the systemd-boot entry .conf
2023-06-19 13:21:22	Disguised	how do I check that ? I am in emergency shell now 
2023-06-19 13:21:28	grawity	do a `lsblk -f`
2023-06-19 13:21:40	grawity	does it show your disks at all, and does it show the matching UUID?
2023-06-19 13:21:46	Disguised	grawity: https://i.imgur.com/k0bLrQI.png
2023-06-19 13:21:58	grawity	urgh ok, ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
2023-06-19 13:22:35	Disguised	grawity: https://i.imgur.com/9PGVVlY.png
2023-06-19 13:22:42	Disguised	/dev/vda3 is my root partition
2023-06-19 13:23:00	Disguised	I did "options  root=UUID=7b..... rw"
2023-06-19 13:23:32	grawity	okay, but the uuid in /dev ends with ..b5f7 and the one in your root= ends with ..b57f
2023-06-19 13:24:14	grawity	press 'e' at systemd-boot to edit it, make it boot, then edit it properly in /boot/loader/entries
2023-06-19 13:24:38	Disguised	grawity: So I have to reboot my pc ?
2023-06-19 13:24:43	grawity	yes
2023-06-19 13:24:51	grawity	well, PC? that sure looks like a VM to me
2023-06-19 13:25:08	Disguised	yeah vm 
2023-06-19 13:25:49	Disguised	grawity: https://i.imgur.com/wDSy2x9.png
2023-06-19 13:25:52	Disguised	-_______-
2023-06-19 13:28:16	Disguised	it is correct but why it is not booting ?
2023-06-19 13:28:25	grawity	literally because it's not correct
2023-06-19 13:28:32	Disguised	wait how ?
2023-06-19 13:28:32	grawity	the one in /dev ends with b5f7
2023-06-19 13:28:40	grawity	the one in systemd-boot ends with b57f
2023-06-19 13:28:41	Disguised	oh no man 
2023-06-19 13:28:46	susi	grawity literally already described this once
2023-06-19 13:28:48	Disguised	OOF 
2023-06-19 13:28:53	Disguised	thanks a lot nvm 
2023-06-19 13:29:30	grawity	it's why I just dump lsblk/blkid into the config and edit it to fit
2023-06-19 13:30:09	Disguised	thanks a lot. Actually it is painful to see and copy that long UUID from tty 
2023-06-19 13:30:28	grawity	like how vim has ":r !lsblk -f", nano has "C-r C-x lsblk -f", failing that you can do "lsblk -f >> entries/arch.conf"
2023-06-19 13:30:31	nl6720	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/System_configuration has a tip on how to insert command output in a text editor
2023-06-19 13:30:32	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/System configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-06-19 13:30:40	tirnanog	Disguised: findmnt -no uuid / >> ...
2023-06-19 13:30:50	tirnanog	could have saved some hassle.
2023-06-19 13:31:08	grawity	yeah, or that, ":r !findmnt -no uuid /mnt", "lsblk -no uuid /dev/vda2" etc
2023-06-19 13:31:32	grawity	didn't some liveCDs have gpm preinstalled for copy/paste in console, too?
2023-06-19 13:31:35	grawity	not arch's I guess
2023-06-19 13:31:48	nl6720	grawity: it does. it's just not started by default
2023-06-19 13:31:56	tirnanog	grawity: the only one that springs to mind just now is gentoo's.
2023-06-19 13:32:07	Disguised	tirnanog: Actually I don't know "findmnt" utility that well :'(
2023-06-19 13:32:24	nl6720	screen and tmux have copy-paste too
2023-06-19 13:32:32	tirnanog	Disguised: it's reasonably straightforward.
2023-06-19 13:32:49	tirnanog	Disguised: all that's doing is asking it to output the UUID field, with no header.
2023-06-19 13:32:56	Disguised	nl6720: I am not familiar with screen and tmux. I will read the documentation later 
2023-06-19 13:33:25	Disguised	tirnanog: Does findmnt have a documentation or something like that ?
2023-06-19 13:34:11	coruja	!man findmnt
2023-06-19 13:34:12	phrik	coruja: https://man.archlinux.org/man/findmnt#
2023-06-19 13:34:53	Disguised	thanks a lot 
2023-06-19 13:35:16	phonemic	i have to manually restart libvirtd on boot in order to use VMs. any idea what's causing that? the service is enabled
2023-06-19 13:36:48	Disguised	phonemic: there is a systemd bug. See my comment on arch forums - https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2104736#p2104736
2023-06-19 13:36:50	phrik	Title: virsh and virt-manager hang after upgrade / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-06-19 13:37:00	Disguised	I took the pic from r/vfio discord server 
2023-06-19 13:37:33	Disguised	Also this one - https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=286377
2023-06-19 13:37:33	phrik	Title: [SOLVED]Virt manager shows "Error: No active connection to install on" / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-06-19 13:38:18	phonemic	Disguised: thank you
2023-06-19 13:38:42	Disguised	sorry wrong links this one https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2104316#p2104316
2023-06-19 13:38:42	phrik	Title: virsh and virt-manager hang after upgrade / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-06-19 13:38:48	Disguised	phonemic: np
2023-06-19 13:40:01	tirnanog	Disguised: the man page doesn't show the supported output fields. findmnt --help does, however.
2023-06-19 13:40:24	susi	Disguised: about every tool comes with a man page
2023-06-19 13:43:04	Disguised	I can use something like - ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ | grep "sda3" | awk {'print $9'}
2023-06-19 13:43:11	Disguised	hmmmmm
2023-06-19 13:44:02	Disguised	tirnanog: Ohk
2023-06-19 13:44:02	nl6720	parsing ls is not the best practice
2023-06-19 13:44:21	tirnanog	yeah, just use the tools that have been discussed.
2023-06-19 13:44:35	nl6720	Disguised: just use the lsblk or blkid commands from https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Persistent_block_device_naming#by-uuid
2023-06-19 13:44:36	phrik	Title: Persistent block device naming - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-06-19 13:44:39	susi	Disguised: or you could use those better solutions just provided, like `findmnt -no uuid /' etc
2023-06-19 13:44:41	tirnanog	that is simultaneously more brittle and more complex.
2023-06-19 13:44:48	lkh	grawity: both xdm.service and xdm-arch.service containt Type=notify. I didn't change anything, it's what came with the packages.
2023-06-19 13:45:32	Disguised	oh I am using blkid or "lsblk -dno UUID /dev/sda1"
2023-06-19 13:46:42	susi	lsblk -dno uuid /dev/sda1 gives partition uuid but not filesystem uuid, i think?
2023-06-19 13:46:46	tirnanog	that's not how lsblk works.
2023-06-19 13:46:53	nl6720	susi: wrong
2023-06-19 13:47:18	tirnanog	oh, never mind. I didn't notice you'd accounted for specifying a block device.
2023-06-19 13:47:52	⚡ 	nl6720 thinks "UUID" should have been called "FSUUID"
2023-06-19 13:50:06	rcf	Arguably should be FSID, because it's not actually a UUID in some cases (including FAT, so you'll always have one on any modern system) 
2023-06-19 13:50:46	nl6720	Windows calls it a "serial number" for its file systems, IIRC
2023-06-19 13:51:10	grawity	rcf: might be confused with the f_fsid in statvfs, which is kind of like the same thing but onyly 64-bit
2023-06-19 13:51:13	Disguised	Nice https://i.imgur.com/uCr7UhX.png ; https://i.imgur.com/lcewfEo.png 💪💪
2023-06-19 14:13:11	lkh	hm, seems like dbus.service starts shortly after xdm.service (which then fails). Maybe that's the problem?
2023-06-19 14:21:55	copypaste	anyone mind explainign to me why the user xiota hates me so much
2023-06-19 14:21:58	copypaste	(AUR user)
2023-06-19 14:22:05	copypaste	do they just hate everyone, or
2023-06-19 14:25:09	Repentinus	How would we know, copypaste? Ignore and move on. If it violates the Code of Conduct <https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/>, feel free to contact a staffer. They will point you to the correct person if they aren't the one.
2023-06-19 14:25:10	phrik	Title: Code of Conduct | Arch Linux Terms (at terms.archlinux.org)
2023-06-19 14:25:54	copypaste	is there an aur channel
2023-06-19 14:26:36	susi	#archlinux-aur I'd assume
2023-06-19 14:29:05	copypaste	thanks susi. i tried #aur and that wasn't it.
2023-06-19 14:29:08	copypaste	:-)
2023-06-19 15:27:17	mcrod	question, I have a G502 lightspeed mouse and for some reason, occasionally I have to remove the transceiver and plug it back in to be able to move my mouse
2023-06-19 15:28:04	mcrod	not really sure what could be causing that, but I think this is a Linux specific issue; this occurs on both Ubuntu and arch, never *ever* on Windows
2023-06-19 15:31:23	lithiumpt	does it happen while moving the mouse?
2023-06-19 15:31:47	lithiumpt	thinking about some kind of "sleep mode" on the usb transceiver driver
2023-06-19 15:31:50	tonitch	have you looked at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bluetooth_mouse#Mouse_always_disconnects
2023-06-19 15:31:52	phrik	Title: Bluetooth mouse - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-06-19 15:31:58	mcrod	it's not a bluetooth mouse
2023-06-19 15:32:09	mcrod	it uses some weird proprietary lightspeed protocol
2023-06-19 15:32:31	mcrod	lithiumpt it simply does not function when booting up X
2023-06-19 15:33:11	mcrod	the USB autosuspend stuff looks pretty interesting though
2023-06-19 15:34:15	p4x639	bluetooth has always been a nightmare for me on linux, don't know if it is just me
2023-06-19 15:45:45	Hunker	Hi. I want to see my bluetooth paired android phone in pcmanfm, what is the best route to go?
2023-06-19 15:48:16	p4x639	Hunker: i only know of gvfs-mtp but that is when it is connected by cable
2023-06-19 15:48:47	Hunker	right..
2023-06-19 15:49:18	p4x639	Hunker: what do you want to do once it shows up on pcmanfm?
2023-06-19 15:49:29	Hunker	obexftp seame to be one way, I just dont know if it is the best
2023-06-19 15:50:02	Hunker	transfere files, music , audiobooks pictures etc
2023-06-19 16:14:13	LimeOn	hello, im compiling openal-soft from source, and im getting this error: 'fatal error: sys/un.h: No such file or directory' any ideas of which program or what im missing?
2023-06-19 16:21:04	vagozino	Does anyone know what happened to latexmk?
2023-06-19 16:21:24	vagozino	There seems to be a latex-mk package on the AUR. But it doesn't take the same options as latexmk
2023-06-19 16:23:10	gromit	vagozino: its in extra/texlive-binextra i think
2023-06-19 16:23:42	gromit	see https://archlinux.org/news/tex-live-package-reorganization/
2023-06-19 16:23:43	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: TeX Live package reorganization (at archlinux.org)
2023-06-19 16:27:45	vagozino	gromit: thank you very much! 
2023-06-19 16:28:36	another|	LimeOn: glibc
2023-06-19 16:29:21	another|	which is required by base. soo..... more info needed
2023-06-19 16:36:54	LimeOn	i think it should something different another| , i have that package installed
2023-06-19 16:46:01	wunit	LimeOn: how exactly are you trying to build it? is there a PKGBUILD?
2023-06-19 16:47:30	tonitch	LimeOn: you can also check if indeed the file is there : /usr/include/sys/un.h
2023-06-19 16:57:18	LimeOn	im trying using something called 'cross-compiling' its kinda complex
2023-06-19 16:57:35	LimeOn	exists, tonitch
2023-06-19 16:58:08	LimeOn	 cmake .. -DCMAKE_TOOLCHAIN_FILE=../XCompile.txt -DHOST=i686-w64-mingw32 --> i use that for compilation, from build folder
2023-06-19 16:58:25	LimeOn	which is the instruction found in the docs of the program
2023-06-19 17:02:01	tonitch	have you read this : https://cmake.org/cmake/help/book/mastering-cmake/chapter/Cross%20Compiling%20With%20CMake.html#finding-external-libraries-programs-and-other-files
2023-06-19 17:02:03	phrik	Title: Cross Compiling With CMake — Mastering CMake (at cmake.org)
2023-06-19 17:04:23	LimeOn	looks like the file im 'calling', the Xcompile, which is provided by the master package, tonitch
2023-06-19 17:04:41	LimeOn	i have already made the $PATH things, so im sure the HOST is correct
2023-06-19 17:06:43	tonitch	well, it seems like your file is building the project for windows but there should not be "sys/un.h" on windows afaik
2023-06-19 17:08:08	LimeOn	that makes sense, yes
2023-06-19 17:08:39	LimeOn	i barely know what im doing, so i will not try again it. I think it will not be useful for what i was archieving
2023-06-19 17:08:54	LimeOn	Thanks for the hints :)
2023-06-19 17:08:58	tonitch	it is used for linux socket. what your command does, it looks in /usr/${HOST}/include for "sys/un.h" which is not there
2023-06-19 17:12:26	tonitch	LimeOn: idk if this is what you are looking for but if you want a windows build, there is one in the releases on github : https://github.com/kcat/openal-soft/releases 
2023-06-19 17:14:30	LimeOn	Nope. I was looking to compile the .dll to use it on wine. I found one in their page, tried it but it did not archieve what i was looking for. The idea was cross-compile using linux, a .dll for further use(the cmake generates that .dll)
2023-06-19 17:21:10	tonitch	I tried it, it seems like this is caused by the fact that it tries to link to pulseaudio
2023-06-19 17:23:12	LimeOn	yes, its also related to pipewire too
2023-06-19 17:23:35	LimeOn	but its kinda complex for me xD
2023-06-19 17:23:36	tonitch	pipewire*
2023-06-19 17:24:58	tonitch	well, there seems to be some related options in the cmake file . if you want to try some you can go into your build file and do `ccmake ..` this should show you all the options and you can tweak them. once this is done redo the cmake .. -DCMA[...] command and this might work.
2023-06-19 17:25:13	tonitch	I'm looking at the cmake file if I can tell you the right option but idk at the moment
2023-06-19 17:29:39	tonitch	mh well you might get away with the `-DPIPEWIRE_FOUND=no` option on cmake but, althg I'm not a cmake expert, i think that's a bit of a hack seeing how to CMakeLists has been done
2023-06-19 17:31:05	LimeOn	i only should add that into my cmake syntax?
2023-06-19 17:31:07	LimeOn	tonitch: 
2023-06-19 17:31:24	tonitch	yes
2023-06-19 17:31:35	LimeOn	ok, i will try
2023-06-19 17:31:40	⚡ 	LimeOn cross fingers
2023-06-19 17:32:54	tonitch	that seems like a bug on their cmake tho, you should probably make an issue on their repo (if no issues is on the subject yet).
2023-06-19 17:35:09	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-06-19 17:40:03	LimeOn	!paste
2023-06-19 17:40:03	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-06-19 17:41:41	LimeOn	not luck, tonitch : http://ix.io/4yCx
2023-06-19 17:41:53	LimeOn	(Same error as before using the -DPIPEWIRE_FOUND=no)
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2023-06-19 17:53:05	Disguised	which cli program should I use to extract and create .rar files ?
2023-06-19 17:53:21	Disguised	like I use unzip and zip for .zip files
2023-06-19 17:53:55	LimeOn	unrar-free , or unrar , Disguised
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2023-06-19 17:56:27	LimeOn	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications Disguised , there's a bunch of useful apps in there
2023-06-19 17:56:29	phrik	Title: List of applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-06-19 17:59:13	tonitch	LimeOn: well if you still have the will to fight, maybe with the -DALSOFT_BACKEND_PIPEWIRE=off instead ?
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2023-06-19 18:03:02	LimeOn	well, cmakes ignores that path xD
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2023-06-19 18:03:16	LimeOn	"CMake Warning: Ignoring extra path from command line: "DALSOFT_BACKEND_PIPEWIRE=off" "
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2023-06-19 18:03:42	LimeOn	which did not happen when i add -DPIPEWIRE_FOUND=no
2023-06-19 18:03:56	LimeOn	In any case, its bugged, so dont worry :)
2023-06-19 18:04:01	LimeOn	tonitch: thanks a lot for the help
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2023-06-19 18:05:58	tonitch	well that's is strange, might be =OFF tho but yhea, it seems bugged ^^ the dev should know what to do tho
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2023-06-19 18:06:30	teraflops	Disguised: actually rar and unrar conflicts so I guess you want rar that can compress and expand files
2023-06-19 18:07:03	LimeOn	does the accounts from AUR works also in the arch forum? or doi have to register 2 times?
2023-06-19 18:07:12	teraflops	nope
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2023-06-19 18:07:43	LimeOn	so i need 2 accounts? teraflops
2023-06-19 18:07:49	teraflops	one per site
2023-06-19 18:07:58	LimeOn	i see, thanks :)
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2023-06-19 18:08:28	Disguised	teraflops: I am 1337x uploader so I want an utility that will help me to create and extract .rar files
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2023-06-19 18:08:56	teraflops	then you want aur/rar
2023-06-19 18:10:12	Disguised	teraflops: Oh ok btw will p7zip work ?
2023-06-19 18:10:15	jl2	anyone know how to trigger a script when the battery percentage changes? (it's probably a systemd target :) )
2023-06-19 18:10:19	teraflops	hmm idk
2023-06-19 18:10:27	teraflops	hmm idk Disguised 
2023-06-19 18:10:34	mpan	jl2: a udev rule, on the capacity attribute may work.
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2023-06-19 18:11:05	mpan	Note that I say *may*, as this often becomes more complicated and will require debugging. Which is why I asked to ask this in #archlinux, as that may become a proper, longer tech support topic.
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2023-06-19 18:11:17	Disguised	oh ok I will take a look into it
2023-06-19 18:12:00	jl2	well I've never used udev - you got a link?
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2023-06-19 18:12:12	ℹ 	blaklistd6 es conocido ahora como blaklistd
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2023-06-19 18:12:26	mpan	jl2: <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Udev_rules>. Other than that, googling for udev + battery + capacity.
2023-06-19 18:12:28	phrik	Title: udev - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-06-19 18:12:45	mpan	(as I said, it may not work out of the box: hence you may need to test various things)
2023-06-19 18:12:57	jl2	well i got that far - i even found the notification part :)
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2023-06-19 18:13:34	mpan	Notification will be a separate topic. One does not simply send a notification from udev rules. ;)
2023-06-19 18:13:50	mpan	First make sure udev reacts to capacity changes. E.g. touch a file or something.
2023-06-19 18:14:59	jl2	btw got me here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Laptop#Battery_state
2023-06-19 18:15:00	phrik	Title: Laptop - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-06-19 18:17:45	teraflops	jl2: something like this I think https://paste.priet.us/ztwi/
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2023-06-19 18:19:39	teraflops	took from here https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=283112
2023-06-19 18:19:41	phrik	Title: Can't get notification for battery / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2023-06-19 18:24:45	jl2	. /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/alarm is 0 and i can't change it, will it work?
2023-06-19 18:26:04	jl2	(see the note at 1.1.2 in my link)
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2023-06-19 18:28:12	jl2	also 'udevadm monitor --property' doesn't show anything on change
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2023-06-19 18:30:44	tux	so after keeping the drive on for hours
2023-06-19 18:30:52	tux	I don't think it's the drive, nothing happend.
2023-06-19 18:31:14	tux	Maybe it was truly the RAM issue. What can I do? I don't want to use SWAP but I feel like there's no other way
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2023-06-21 17:44:48	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-06-21 17:44:48	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1411 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1410 normals)
2023-06-20 23:51:25	Namarrgon	keyfiles and passphrases are the same thing
2023-06-20 23:53:57	susi	I must be honest: my LUKS password is (iirc) just 11 characters long - still, it's not that easy to change it succesfully
2023-06-20 23:54:20	susi	how must you think one must invest on average to crack my stuff? 
2023-06-20 23:54:27	susi	how much*
2023-06-20 23:55:13	Repentinus	Namarrgon, my reading of cryptsetup(8) says passphrases undergo PBKDF, keyfiles do not.
2023-06-21 00:12:01	Repentinus	Actually, Namarrgon appears to be correct for LUKS. haritz, just make sure you do not terminate the file with your passphrase with a newline.
2023-06-21 00:13:55	Repentinus	'\n' is not processed by PBKDF when input from the terminal, but when the passphrase is read from a file, the entire file, including any newlines undergo PBKDF.
2023-06-21 00:15:17	Repentinus	If that's not the hiccup, share your configuration files.
2023-06-21 00:48:39	barraponto	firefox is crashing since last upgrade, but downgrading firefox does not fix it.  firefox-developer-edition is crashing as well, so it seems not to be tied to the package.
2023-06-21 00:49:04	barraponto	i'm on gnome, nvidia proprietary. tried both xorg and wayland.
2023-06-21 00:49:49	barraponto	it does work on firefox safe-mode, but even disabling hardware acceleration and all extensions, it still crashes on normal mode.
2023-06-21 00:53:42	Scimmia	barraponto: run it from a command line, what does it tell you when it crashes?
2023-06-21 00:54:25	barraponto	very little. i don't know if there is a verbose/debug flag for firefox
2023-06-21 00:54:39	Scimmia	I don't know, either
2023-06-21 00:55:10	barraponto	!paste
2023-06-21 00:55:11	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-06-21 00:56:25	barraponto	https://bpa.st/2LMV2
2023-06-21 00:56:26	phrik	Title: View paste 2LMV2 (at bpa.st)
2023-06-21 00:59:29	Scimmia	bus error. huh, haven't seen that one before
2023-06-21 00:59:59	Scimmia	looks like a child process failed
2023-06-21 01:00:27	Scimmia	the core dump might have more, might not
2023-06-21 01:01:33	Scimmia	debugging a browser like firefox, though...
2023-06-21 01:10:17	topcat001	happens with a fresh profile?
2023-06-21 02:56:49	jensen	are there any caveats to using syncthing to sync package cache between machines? need to chown $USER the package cache (alternative is to run syncthing as root, which is not advisable), are there caveats with regards to repo and possibility of stale packages/database? it seems to be frowned upon as in general but i'm not sure why. syncing package cache fo the purposes of avoiding the need to
2023-06-21 02:56:52	jensen	build common packages from the AUR for both machines as well as faster local downloads (and less load on the servers)
2023-06-21 02:59:46	bookworm	at that point you could just run a local repo instead 
2023-06-21 03:01:05	bookworm	and you don't need chown, add an acl for the synching user but I do hope you restrict that account. It essentially gains root if you use it like that
2023-06-21 03:02:02	bookworm	(unless you happen to sign your aur package builds)
2023-06-21 03:08:58	yitz	/etc/systemd/system/mnt-nas3.mount ==> http://ix.io/4yIP ; systemctl status mnt-nas3.mount  ==> http://ix.io/4yIQ ; why isn't my NFS able to start on boot? It waits on systemd-networkd-wait-online.service so the remote host ought to be available. I..
2023-06-21 03:09:02	yitz	... thought it ought to also retry. When I log in and start the unit, it works fine. Do I need a custom wait-for-network script?
2023-06-21 03:17:36	barraponto	@topcat: yes. fresh profile, even with another version of firefox (firefox-developer-edition)
2023-06-21 05:44:10	low-key	is it better to be installing a python package from the repos or with pip?
2023-06-21 05:45:05	mpan	low-key: globally or per-user?
2023-06-21 05:58:00	yitz	pacman all the way
2023-06-21 05:58:18	yitz	(it's contentious)
2023-06-21 06:17:07	low-key	i only have one user
2023-06-21 06:17:23	low-key	so globally? 
2023-06-21 07:00:25	kode54	um
2023-06-21 07:00:30	kode54	there's an issue with starship.rs
2023-06-21 07:00:35	kode54	or at least, it's an issue with Git
2023-06-21 07:00:55	kode54	randomly, lately, git will go zombie when invoked by starship, hanging my shell prompt
2023-06-21 08:09:23	tsdh	kode54: I use starship v1.15.0 (installed via cargo) and am constantly working in git projects and haven't had an issue.  Very rarely I get some message that some starship thingy took longer than expected (and was probably killed).  So I think there's some probably configurable timeout for the status gathering commands.  Did you configure that to indefinitely?
2023-06-21 08:12:28	tsdh	kode54: Try "starship print-config".  Here it says command_timeout = 500, so I guess commands may not run longer than half a second.
2023-06-21 08:13:28	tsdh	kode54: Also, does that happen with all git projects or just specific ones?  The git module seems to have options regarding submodules, so maybe that's something to investigate.
2023-06-21 08:28:23	reactormonk[m]	Trying to debug https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=286304 - how would I get some good logs? journalctl never has anything particularly interesting.
2023-06-21 08:28:24	phrik	Title: suspend stuck / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-06-21 10:06:33	kode54	tsdh: it may have been the broken scheduler I was using with my kernel
2023-06-21 10:06:42	kode54	I reverted to using a normal CFS setup
2023-06-21 10:38:46	Wickram	yesterday I asked around for who's in charge of reading .xinitrc under KDE/systemd, apparently .xinitrc is only read when manually spawning your X session with startx, and the equivalent file when using a compositor/DE is .xprofile, adding commands there ensures they're run just as the X session is spawned
2023-06-21 10:42:14	enoq	so I was asking about getting a broken initramfs a week? ago
2023-06-21 10:42:20	enoq	found the culprit: I was an idiot and re-used the EFI partition of my Windows install
2023-06-21 10:42:42	enoq	that one is created with 100Mb and after that archlinux update, it ran out of space
2023-06-21 10:44:16	enoq	I remember running into that prior to this, but I don't change my distros every month anymore so I forgot it 
2023-06-21 12:16:13	susi	you might think about taking 'fallback' out of your PRESETS array in a preset file, to not generate a fallback image
2023-06-21 12:17:21	susi	especially if you maintain multiple kernels 
2023-06-21 12:18:15	igemnace	or well, honestly, bump up the ESP size. had a couple of windows updates in the past that broke on small ESP sizes (one even just due to checks i believe, without actually taking up that much space), so if dual booting is in your long-term future, you might as well
2023-06-21 12:18:46	⚡ 	igemnace just realized i assumed a dual boot, but this could've been a situation where windows was wiped after the fact but the ESP is reused
2023-06-21 13:08:01	nona	hi all! can somebody help me get pacman working again? since today, whenever i try to install something, there's a problem with some guy's encryption key ("error: rsync: signature from "Christian Hesse <eworm@archlinux.org>" is unknown trust" followed by "File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/blah...pkg.tar.zst is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature))")
2023-06-21 13:08:44	coruja	!give nona fixkeyring
2023-06-21 13:08:45	phrik	nona: Your keyring issue would be probably fixed by: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
2023-06-21 13:12:33	Scimmia	nona: there's instructions for resetting the keyring in the wiki, package signing page IIRC
2023-06-21 13:13:07	coruja	(that's !fixkeyring2)
2023-06-21 13:20:35	nona	oh, wow, that's already a pre-saved answer o_O
2023-06-21 13:20:46	nona	hmm, dang
2023-06-21 13:20:49	nona	!fixkeyring2
2023-06-21 13:20:50	phrik	If your keyring issue hasn't been fixed yet, try: rm -rf /etc/pacman.d/gnupg && pacman-key --init && pacman-key --populate && pacman-key --refresh-keys
2023-06-21 13:21:31	MacGyver	Now I have to know.
2023-06-21 13:21:35	MacGyver	!fixkeyring3
2023-06-21 13:21:35	phrik	MacGyver: Say what?
2023-06-21 13:22:07	nona	lol
2023-06-21 13:49:31	nona	Scimmia: coruja: that was a very useful wooden hammer. thanks!
2023-06-21 14:20:44	enoq	should you create a swap partition on an ssd? kinda worried about churn
2023-06-21 14:21:36	Namarrgon	unless you bought the cheapest option the ssd is going to handle swap just fine
2023-06-21 14:22:03	Namarrgon	you can reduce swapiness if you want but i wouldn't worry too much about it
2023-06-21 14:22:14	enoq	firmware distributes writes evenly across all cells?
2023-06-21 14:22:20	enoq	regardless of partition size?
2023-06-21 14:22:29	Namarrgon	it's supposed to, yes
2023-06-21 14:22:35	enoq	thank you
2023-06-21 14:22:46	enoq	I suppose 2*RAM size is not the recommendation anymore
2023-06-21 14:22:57	jelle	depends on if you want to hibernate
2023-06-21 14:23:28	enoq	I can suspend my machine even without swap, but I'm not sure if that's a different mechanism
2023-06-21 14:23:58	enoq	I suppose hibernate is a lower power state?
2023-06-21 14:24:05	Namarrgon	suspend-to-ram doesn't need swap but you can't cut power completely in that state either
2023-06-21 14:24:06	jelle	suspend != hibernate
2023-06-21 14:24:33	enoq	can you cut power in hibernation?
2023-06-21 14:24:56	Namarrgon	yes, resuming from hibernation is a "cold" boot
2023-06-21 14:24:57	enoq	nvm, you probably can since it's saved on disk
2023-06-21 14:25:30	Namarrgon	the hibernation image is much smaller than the installed ram so 2xram is overkill
2023-06-21 14:25:52	enoq	I run 32 gigs, so 64gb swap file would really hurt on a 930GB drive
2023-06-21 14:26:11	enoq	so I suppose without hibernation you want something like 10 gigs
2023-06-21 14:26:29	enoq	just to swap the less used RAM data
2023-06-21 14:26:56	Namarrgon	sure
2023-06-21 14:27:25	Namarrgon	you can use a swap file instead of a partition to be able to more easily adjust the size to your requirements
2023-06-21 14:27:40	enoq	oh, since when
2023-06-21 14:28:27	Namarrgon	long enough that i don't remember when it started to be a thing
2023-06-21 14:28:30	enoq	thank you for the answers, will read up on the wiki
2023-06-21 14:31:07	jelle	with 32GB you might as well use zram
2023-06-21 14:31:11	jelle	or zswap
2023-06-21 14:37:26	susi	on my 4G RAM, got rid of 2,5G swap and replaced with 1Gi zram (took some configuring of vm.* sysctl values to make things smooth)
2023-06-21 14:38:53	throstur1	I just checked my dmesg -HT output and I'm seeing tomorrow's date... but my status bar shows today's date, what causes this?
2023-06-21 14:40:31	bf_	Hey everyone. Just updated the system and after reboot the mdadm is not recognized any more
2023-06-21 14:40:32	jelle	throstur1: man dmesg and read the -T description :)
2023-06-21 14:40:36	bf_	Was there a breaking update of some sort? I have a mdadm -> tinyssh setup
2023-06-21 14:41:08	throstur1	ah, I see, so there is no way to reset it without a reboot?
2023-06-21 14:41:53	susi	it sounds weird to show future with -T; the clock has always been behind with suspends/resumes for me
2023-06-21 14:43:13	throstur1	thats kind of what I was thinking too
2023-06-21 15:01:45	bf_	"waiting 10 seconds for device /dev/md1"
2023-06-21 15:01:54	bf_	in rescue shell the mdadm assembles just fine
2023-06-21 15:02:15	bf_	I didn't change anything about the system except updating the kernel and rebooting
2023-06-21 15:05:15	bf_	https://i.imgur.com/TVg7dnQ.png
2023-06-21 15:13:26	susi	oh my, now I'm confused... my kclear.service (triggered by kclear.timer, that has OnCalendar=daily) has been last active 17th day :o
2023-06-21 15:13:56	susi	I have had this exact same unit and configuration for it for the longest time, but now somehow it doesn't exec daily anymore :o
2023-06-21 15:15:45	Repentinus	Check if the service is still running.
2023-06-21 15:33:07	susi	yeah, I did, it is
2023-06-21 15:39:39	Repentinus	susi, well, terminate the service. If the service is already active, the timer does zilch.
2023-06-21 15:41:10	susi	yeah, I took some action, was just confused what has happened
2023-06-21 15:41:12	krumelmonster	Something's very wrong with my chromium, it only renders background colors, no text, images etc. https://i.ibb.co/C9sN7rD/image.png
2023-06-21 15:41:19	susi	no errors anywhere, and things were active (running)
2023-06-21 15:41:24	krumelmonster	It also applies to settings pages etc.
2023-06-21 15:42:02	krumelmonster	I finally made the switch back to firefox (yay) but I'll still need to see my history and some stored passwords
2023-06-21 15:43:19	Ennea	krumelmonster, when did this start?
2023-06-21 15:43:45	krumelmonster	when I rebooted today
2023-06-21 15:44:35	lineageovercm	!paste
2023-06-21 15:44:35	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-06-21 15:45:00	krumelmonster	it doesn't seem to be related to an update of chromium itself and I didn't change any config flags or the such recently
2023-06-21 15:45:46	Ennea	i wanted to suggest trying with disabled gpu acceleration, but for the life of me cannot figure out how to force that off with a commandline flag
2023-06-21 15:45:54	Ennea	see if you can figure that out and try whether that works
2023-06-21 15:48:17	krumelmonster	Enna: Hey I just compiled my own graphics drivers to get the debug packages. We talked about this here like yesterday. Maybe my build is in some way inferior to the arch package. Let me just switch back, reboot and I'll be right back.
2023-06-21 15:52:42	krumelmonster	Yes that was it. Shouldn't be like this but well...
2023-06-21 15:53:17	Repentinus	susi, I presume the service is of type oneshot? Otherwise I'd recommend RuntimeMaxSec in the .service file, but in this case either fix the program called, so it does not end up hanging indefinitely, or stagger another timer to kill the service if it doesn't terminate in an orderly fashion.
2023-06-21 16:04:21	susi	Repentinus: actually, simple and not oneshot
2023-06-21 16:05:11	Repentinus	In that case RuntimeMaxSec to limit how long the service keeps going.
2023-06-21 16:05:29	Repentinus	Though why you'd put a simple service on a timer is beyond me.
2023-06-21 16:06:10	susi	hmm, does the service manager apply any RuntimeMaxSec stuff to simple type services (that it considers succesfully activated immediately after forking)?
2023-06-21 16:07:46	krumelmonster	maybe try oneshot?
2023-06-21 16:08:23	susi	all's fine already, I guess (we'll see), just thinkin'
2023-06-21 16:08:39	Repentinus	susi, it should.
2023-06-21 16:08:42	krumelmonster	I take back what I said, simple is correct
2023-06-21 16:09:01	krumelmonster	confused simple with oneshot: "Note that this setting does not have any effect on Type=oneshot services, as they terminate immediately after activation completed."
2023-06-21 16:09:51	susi	ah it went like that
2023-06-21 16:10:24	Repentinus	susi, just bear in mind that whenever your simple service terminates, that is considered a service failure. I.e., it is semantically weird to put simple services on timers.
2023-06-21 16:14:13	susi	are you sure about this?
2023-06-21 16:14:48	susi	because if I understood correctly I think I disagree
2023-06-21 16:17:09	DarkFeather	I'm using simple services as timers, and if the service exits with a return code of 0, the service successfully deactivates and the timer is still waiting for the next time match to activate the service.
2023-06-21 16:19:05	DarkFeather	A timer is just scheduling a service to start at a certain time -- they're intended to be independent of the service implementation, though I would think that one shouldn't be using a timer for something that should be a persistent daemon. Oneshot or simple, though, designer's choice.
2023-06-21 16:19:21	Repentinus	susi, no, I was wrong.
2023-06-21 16:23:21	lkh	What's you favourite file system for external USB drives, you'd use as backup media? So far I've used NTFS, because that's what the disk came with. However with one of those disks I had a data inconsistency which had me search for a windows machine to run chkdisk ... which felt kind of silly.
2023-06-21 16:30:05	Ennea	for usb drives, assuming you may need to use them on foreign machines.. exfat?
2023-06-21 16:31:11	mpan	lkh: for portability, exFAT. Otherwise: ext4 with no journal.
2023-06-21 16:32:55	lkh	thanks, exfat sounds like a good choice.
2023-06-21 16:32:59	mpan	<opinion> having journalising on a medium intended for backup is IMO pointless. By definition you will always make sure it is properly unmounted and, if something goes wrong, you will not proceed no matter if journal can prevent fs corruption or not. </opinion>
2023-06-21 16:35:12	Repentinus	FAT has a file size limit that can be an issue.
2023-06-21 16:35:19	Ennea	hence exfat
2023-06-21 16:35:20	mpan	Repentinus: exFAT does not.
2023-06-21 16:35:35	Repentinus	Ah.
2023-06-21 16:36:50	mpan	<opinion> Regarding the journal: if your backup routine does not allow verification of previously written data, then you may go with journal. But still do not rely on it in case of a failure: assume that anything after the last proper unmount is wrong and must be written again. </opinion>
2023-06-21 16:44:31	bf_	Is the kernel parameter md=1,/dev/sda1,/dev/sda2 discontinued?
2023-06-21 16:44:37	bf_	I can't find any docs on it any more
2023-06-21 16:44:56	mion	depends on cotext
2023-06-21 16:45:01	mion	context*
2023-06-21 16:45:18	mion	what are you actually trying to do?
2023-06-21 16:45:20	bf_	I updated kernel and suddenly system doesn't boot. I'm using udev_mdadm and in the rescue shell the md0 is already started (boot) but the md1 is not started
2023-06-21 16:46:08	bf_	GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="apparmor=1 security=apparmor ip=dhcp cryptdevice=/dev/md1:cryptroot root=/dev/mapper/vg0-root resume=/dev/mapper/vg0-swap init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd"
2023-06-21 16:46:26	bf_	HOOKS=(base udev autodetect keyboard modconf block mdadm_udev netconf tinyssh encryptssh encrypt filesystems fsck)
2023-06-21 16:46:48	susi	I don't think apparmor=1 is required anymore... I just have lsm=..apparmor.. and stuff works as intended
2023-06-21 16:47:07	bf_	I had "md=1,/dev/sda2,/dev/sdb2" in the cmdline for a long time 
2023-06-21 16:47:10	susi	and resume= is for hibernating, I think?
2023-06-21 16:47:19	bf_	yes, but I never used it. 
2023-06-21 16:47:38	susi	maybe that resume=/dev/mapper/vg0-swap is pointless?
2023-06-21 16:47:49	bf_	basically during boot it says "waiting for /dev/md1 10 seconds"... "waiting for /dev/mapper/vg0 10 seconds".. and then it goes to emergency shell
2023-06-21 16:48:07	bf_	I understand it is pointless but it shouldn't just prevent me from booting after kernel update :)
2023-06-21 16:48:29	bf_	I can't find any documentation on udev_mdadm
2023-06-21 16:49:09	susi	must be some custom-written thingie
2023-06-21 16:49:15	mion	its not
2023-06-21 16:50:37	susi	yeah, comes with core/mdadm :)
2023-06-21 16:50:47	susi	bf_: does `mkinitcpio -H mdadm_udev' report anything
2023-06-21 16:51:02	mion	make sure your array is in mdadm.conf and then regen the initcpio?
2023-06-21 16:51:18	bf_	it is
2023-06-21 16:51:24	bf_	I did regen it quite some time s:)
2023-06-21 16:51:30	bf_	even when I drop back to rescue shell
2023-06-21 16:51:33	mion	you can read /usr/lib/initcpio/install/mdadm_udev and see exactly what the hook does
2023-06-21 16:51:34	bf_	I need to do mdadm --start md1
2023-06-21 16:51:36	bf_	then it starts
2023-06-21 16:51:40	bf_	but it is not started by default
2023-06-21 16:52:24	bf_	there is a bug where mdadm_udev does not assemble in certain cases: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/57860
2023-06-21 16:52:26	phrik	Title: FS#57860 : [mdadm] mdadm_udev does not assemble degraded array during boot (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-06-21 16:52:38	bf_	I'm not sure if it is relevant, because my mdstat doesnt show degraded array
2023-06-21 16:54:21	mion	could also switch to systemd which is nicer these days anyway for most use cases
2023-06-21 16:55:45	bf_	good point. it's just weird that I didnt touch any config files and such a things breaks
2023-06-21 16:55:52	bf_	stayed with grub due to the ... stability 
2023-06-21 16:56:02	⚡ 	bf_ does the risky reboot
2023-06-21 16:56:23	⚡ 	ariadnavigo wishes bf_ good luck
2023-06-21 16:56:35	mion	check if the array actually is in the config
2023-06-21 16:57:24	bf_	it is in mdadm and in /etc/mdadm.conf in the rescue console
2023-06-21 16:58:07	bf_	"waiting 10 seconds for device /dev/md1"
2023-06-21 16:58:26	bf_	cat /proc/mdstat only shows md0, but not md1
2023-06-21 16:59:06	bf_	mdadm --assemble md1 shows mdadm: /dev/md/md1 has been started with 2 drives
2023-06-21 17:13:41	bf_	https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/uzvx1i/software_raid_drive_missing_in_518/
2023-06-21 17:13:43	phrik	Title: Software RAID drive missing in 5.18 : archlinux (at www.reddit.com)
2023-06-21 17:18:40	bf_	CONFIG_BLOCK_LEGACY_AUTOLOAD might be a solution
2023-06-21 17:27:32	bf_	I fixed it
2023-06-21 17:28:15	bf_	all it needed was to change cryptdevice= and root= in the CMDLINE to UUID of md1 and UUID of /dev/mapper/vg0-root
2023-06-21 17:28:25	bf_	it must've been deprecation of something
2023-06-21 17:28:28	bf_	f*ck me
2023-06-21 17:29:12	mion	or sd* changed on you
2023-06-21 17:29:53	DarkFeather	I get some sd* reordering on some of my boxes -- I'd recommend always using UUID for a cryptdevice.
2023-06-21 17:29:54	bf_	it was a raid, how can it change? even if sda and sdb are swapped it was identical partitions
2023-06-21 17:30:29	DarkFeather	They're holding identical content, but they are still uniquely identifiable within the raidset.
2023-06-21 17:31:25	bf_	correct
2023-06-21 17:33:21	mion	!aw persistent block device
2023-06-21 17:33:22	phrik	mion: Persistent block device naming - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Persistent_block_device_naming
2023-06-21 17:36:12	sengy	iis there a way to use networkctl to manage an interface ephemerally without writing a .conf/.network file?
2023-06-21 17:36:29	mion	not really
2023-06-21 17:36:36	sengy	reason being, I do *not* want to keep these changes permanently, or reload configs, and networkd is my dhcp server
2023-06-21 17:36:42	sengy	man that's so lame
2023-06-21 17:36:47	WSDMatty	You can be really general and accept * or eth*
2023-06-21 17:36:54	Foxboron	sengy: it depends, what specifcally do you want to do?
2023-06-21 17:37:09	WSDMatty	which wouuld then manage all of the interfaces and you could disable them manually
2023-06-21 17:38:16	sengy	Foxboron: I just didn't want to type "ip address add blablabla" and get an ip on my remarkable on thiis computer
2023-06-21 17:38:27	leonardus	is this arch linux gitlab spam a known issue? can't seem to click through any of the links without signing on so not sure if these are getting deleted https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/U1eQt6vN/image.png
2023-06-21 17:38:33	sengy	I wanted to have dhcp figure out whatever but I guess I'll do it with ip
2023-06-21 17:38:47	WSDMatty	Ooooo sex tapes.
2023-06-21 17:39:04	w13905069	aur break down.What happened?
2023-06-21 17:39:05	Foxboron	leonardus: They are deleted, yes
2023-06-21 17:40:02	WSDMatty	Foxboron: https://gitlab.com/elpaplo/watch/-/issues
2023-06-21 17:40:03	phrik	Title: Issues · el paplo / watch · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2023-06-21 17:40:38	TINYLILY	aur down?
2023-06-21 17:40:44	gromit	WSDMatty: that is gitlab.com tho
2023-06-21 17:40:57	mion	TINYLILY: there are websites to tell you that
2023-06-21 17:41:01	WSDMatty	TINYLILY: yes.
2023-06-21 17:41:04	MacGyver	WSDMatty: WTF am I looking at?
2023-06-21 17:41:06	WSDMatty	The status website is also down apparently.
2023-06-21 17:41:24	WSDMatty	The wrong fcking link, My bad
2023-06-21 17:41:28	astralc	need status.status
2023-06-21 17:42:10	gehidore	if the status site is down it's proper to panic
2023-06-21 17:42:16	gehidore	!panic
2023-06-21 17:42:17	phrik	http://eured.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/oh-noes-everybody-panic.gif
2023-06-21 17:42:17	gromit	WSDMatty, astralc: I think the statuspage is down for unrelated reasons
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2023-06-21 17:53:55	LemanR	hey all, is the AUR down atm? seems it's the only website not loading for me (was going to take a glance at a script for someone)
2023-06-21 17:54:04	sengy	!isitup aur.archlinux.org
2023-06-21 17:54:06	phrik	sengy: Oh no aur.archlinux.org is down!
2023-06-21 17:54:08	sengy	oh no
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2023-06-21 17:55:02	sengy	LemanR: yeah I think the devops people are aware, not sure at what point in resolving they are 
2023-06-21 17:55:12	LemanR	it's fine, I run nixos so I'm not personally affected.....sorry all :p but I know they are fairly good at getting it back up though when this rarity happens.
2023-06-21 17:56:50	sengy	btw I use nix
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2023-06-21 18:05:41	susi	really? can I ask 'why' 
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2023-06-21 18:07:52	susi	nix's pretty interesting anyways, I'm just not familiar enough with it and has never actually used it 
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2023-06-21 18:15:20	zaidhaan	i really like how nixos allows you to declaratively represent your entire system effectively in a single file (+ nix shell and nix pkgs)
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2023-06-21 18:43:43	rbatty	zzaidhaan, ive been messing with nixos again in a vm. im too happy with arch to switch over for daily driver, but i could imagine servers one day being managed with nix
2023-06-21 18:43:59	Vorpal	Hi, what's up with aur.archlinux.org? Is it just me, or is it down
2023-06-21 18:44:10	rbatty	vorpal, it looks down atm
2023-06-21 18:44:15	rbatty	i cant connect either
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2023-06-21 18:45:28	Vorpal	oops, I guess I'll see how my CI action that is publishing a new version of my package will handle that.
2023-06-21 18:45:57	Vorpal	I set it up so that when I tag a release it not only creates the GitHub release, but also uploads an updated AUR package etc
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2023-06-21 18:51:21	Jenz	AUR down?
2023-06-21 18:51:32	jlbribeiro	y
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2023-06-21 18:51:58	zaidhaan	was back up for a brief moment but then went back down :/
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2023-06-21 18:52:12	jlbribeiro	also status.archlinux.org, afaict
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2023-06-21 18:52:27	Vorpal	Also https://status.archlinux.org/ fails to load with SSL_ERROR_NO_CYPHER_OVERLAP
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2023-06-21 18:53:00	Vorpal	that was linked in the topic of #archlinux-aur
2023-06-21 18:53:22	greentail	Hi. I have a file temp.md ; and in the 11th line there is some text. I want to rename temp.md to the text that's in the 11th line. I want to do that for multiple files. What's the best way to achieve that?  
2023-06-21 18:54:00	◣	oldpcuser (~oldpcuser@user/oldpcuser) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2023-06-21 18:54:32	TINYLILY	greentail: like this: mv $1 $(sed -n 11p $1)
2023-06-21 18:54:32	mion	sed if you don't mind it being fragile
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2023-06-21 18:56:40	Vorpal	mion: it's not really fragile as the problem is specified though. It will reliably extract the 11th line :P (The fragility would be in that it might not always be the 11th line.)
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2023-06-21 18:57:42	tirnanog	it won't reliably extract the 11th line, depending on the value of $1 there, though it's on the right track.
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2023-06-21 19:00:51	tirnanog	something like this, where ... is a glob or an appropriate sequence of words: for f in ...; test -f "$f" && mv -i -- "$f" "$(sed -n 11p -- "$f")" || ! break; done
2023-06-21 19:01:46	tirnanog	or mv -n, if you prefer.
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2023-06-21 19:06:30	tirnanog	greentail: you should probably say where the files come from and whether recursion is required, by the way.
2023-06-21 19:07:18	Vorpal	[18:57] <tirnanog> it won't reliably extract the 11th line, depending on the value of $1 there, though it's on the right track. <-- oh right, as a zsh user I forget you need to quote to prevent splitting in bash
2023-06-21 19:07:47	tirnanog	that's one of the problems to contend with, yes.
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2023-06-21 19:08:53	tirnanog	the others are not really particular to any given shell e.g. file names potentially being treated as options. the problem, as always, is that the question is under-specified.
2023-06-21 19:09:09	tirnanog	it will be for multiple files but no mention is made of where their names come from.
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2023-06-21 19:14:01	Vorpal	tirnanog: missing the "do" after for there
2023-06-21 19:14:01	tirnanog	yep.
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2023-06-21 19:32:48	Disguised	How can I install android AVD manager in arch linux ?
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2023-06-21 19:34:57	susi	maybe android-studio* @ AUR?
2023-06-21 19:35:49	susi	not a sarcastic '?' or anything, but a real question on my part, and a suggestion that those might be it
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2023-06-21 19:38:19	Disguised	susi: Thanks it was not mentioned in the archwiki.
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2023-06-21 19:38:30	Disguised	I think I will edit the archwiki
2023-06-21 19:39:19	mister_dafuq	Yello! A bit noob question but I want to disable sudo password for a user 'xyz'. I made two changes to visudo (NOPASS for wheel and xyz), but I still get asked for my password each time
2023-06-21 19:39:46	mister_dafuq	What am I doing wrong? Should I just remove sudo password and keep user password instead?
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2023-06-21 19:40:35	susi	add a file xy.conf under /etc/sudoers.d with `xyz ALL = NOPASSWD:ALL`
2023-06-21 19:40:44	susi	xyz.conf* (or however you want to name it)
2023-06-21 19:41:06	mister_dafuq	Interesting. Let me try
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2023-06-21 19:42:29	mister_dafuq	Still the same susi. Would I have to log back in?
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2023-06-21 19:43:15	susi	you have "@includedir /etc/sudoers.d" uncommented in /etc/sudoers? (visudo)
2023-06-21 19:43:44	mister_dafuq	Yes correct. 
2023-06-21 19:44:03	tirnanog	does sudo -l show the policies you expect to see?
2023-06-21 19:44:31	Vorpal	what about file permissions? I think sudo ignores files if anyone but root owns them or can write to them
2023-06-21 19:44:35	mister_dafuq	Yes I do actually! It shows '(ALL : ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL' and '(ALL) ALL'
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2023-06-21 19:45:17	mister_dafuq	^these are commands my user may run
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2023-06-21 19:45:53	susi	dunno what's the problem then, but `xyz ALL = NOPASSWD:ALL' is correctly formatted, and I do myself employ some snippets under sudoers.d with similar contents
2023-06-21 19:45:57	tirnanog	what's the command that you attempted?
2023-06-21 19:46:25	mister_dafuq	Tried both `yay` and `sudo pacman -Syy`
2023-06-21 19:46:59	mister_dafuq	susi interesting. I setup a user password and a root password during install. Feels like without archinstall I never setup a root password.
2023-06-21 19:47:14	susi	maybe try adding just 'xyz ALL = NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/pacman'
2023-06-21 19:47:37	Disguised	just asking btw can I play games in https://www.android-x86.org ??
2023-06-21 19:47:38	phrik	Title: Android-x86 - Porting Android to x86 (at www.android-x86.org)
2023-06-21 19:47:39	susi	xyz is the name of the user ($USER)
2023-06-21 19:48:20	tirnanog	that's strange.
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2023-06-21 19:49:40	tirnanog	mister_dafuq: to whom is the policy attributed by sudo -l?
2023-06-21 19:49:42	mister_dafuq	After NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/pacman I still get the same two commands with sudo -l
2023-06-21 19:50:03	mister_dafuq	sudo -l says 'xyz may run the following on localpc'
2023-06-21 19:50:12	tirnanog	hmm. that is quite puzzling then.
2023-06-21 19:50:20	mister_dafuq	(ALL : ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL & (ALL) ALL
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2023-06-21 19:50:42	mister_dafuq	It is common to have one root password and one user password?
2023-06-21 19:51:05	mister_dafuq	That's really the only difference I can think from my previous installs. Before I always only added user pass not root
2023-06-21 19:52:04	tirnanog	sudo doesn't (necessarily) have to care about passwords because /usr/bin/sudo is setuid root.
2023-06-21 19:54:27	tirnanog	sudo -l
2023-06-21 19:54:30	tirnanog	oops
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2023-06-21 19:54:46	tirnanog	yeah, I don't get it. maybe try #sudo (if that even still exists post-freenode).
2023-06-21 19:55:14	mister_dafuq	For sure. I'll try digging in a bit more, maaybe ask chatGPT lol
2023-06-21 19:55:26	mister_dafuq	Thanks for such a quick help all!
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2023-06-21 19:56:44	lairnc	why does nemo spends so much time loading
2023-06-21 19:56:58	lairnc	i think an update has broken some packages
2023-06-21 19:57:04	lairnc	it also happens with firefox
2023-06-21 19:57:30	lairnc	and also with archive manager
2023-06-21 19:57:32	lairnc	any idea
2023-06-21 19:58:01	mister_dafuq	Wayland? lairnc 
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2023-06-21 19:58:16	lairnc	x11
2023-06-21 19:58:48	mister_dafuq	I think it's a common issue with dbus
2023-06-21 19:58:58	tirnanog	mister_dafuq: actually, I think this can be easily explained.
2023-06-21 19:59:16	lairnc	elaborate pls
2023-06-21 19:59:21	mister_dafuq	There was a env I had to export which solved it. I still use it but on Wayland so not sure if it'll work
2023-06-21 19:59:29	mister_dafuq	tirnanog: yessir
2023-06-21 19:59:43	tirnanog	mister_dafuq: you have a policy of applicable scope _without_ NOPASSWD declared later, rather then earlier.
2023-06-21 19:59:49	tirnanog	and that wins.
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2023-06-21 20:00:12	lairnc	should i maybe upgrade to wayland?
2023-06-21 20:01:05	gromit	lairnc: I thing you are hitting the xdg-desktop-portal-* bug 
2023-06-21 20:01:07	mister_dafuq	lairnc: fuck reddit but oh well, maybe this helps https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/vuafyu/i_think_my_dbus_is_not_working_properly_gnome/
2023-06-21 20:01:08	phrik	Title: I think my DBUS is not working properly (gnome apps load 30+ seconds, pavucontrol doesn't work at all, etc.) : archlinux (at www.reddit.com)
2023-06-21 20:01:09	tirnanog	mister_dafuq: ALL (ALL) ALL is extremely broad in scope.
2023-06-21 20:01:30	tirnanog	or (ALL : ALL) ALL, whatever it is. you get the point.
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2023-06-21 20:01:30	teraflops	is nemo gtk? there was an issue regarding xdg portal gnome
2023-06-21 20:01:46	lairnc	i think so, yea
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2023-06-21 20:02:03	mister_dafuq	tirnanog: my visudo looks like 'root ALL... -> %wheel ALL NOPASSWD -> @includedir'
2023-06-21 20:02:21	mister_dafuq	Not sure if this is what you meant
2023-06-21 20:02:33	tirnanog	mister_dafuq: ... and I just locked myself out temporarily testing all this. heh.
2023-06-21 20:02:49	tirnanog	mister_dafuq: might as well just pastebin the whole thing. doesn't sound like there's anything security-snesitive in there.
2023-06-21 20:03:10	teraflops	lairnc: check if you have xdg-desktop-portal-gnome installed, if yes, install xdg-desktop-portal-gtk instead 
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2023-06-21 20:04:28	lairnc	teraflops, okay
2023-06-21 20:04:37	lairnc	problem solved
2023-06-21 20:04:58	tirnanog	well, privacy-violating, to put it more accurately.
2023-06-21 20:04:59	lairnc	but, how am i supposed to know about these issues and how to solve them?
2023-06-21 20:05:20	teraflops	there was a bug filed soewhere
2023-06-21 20:05:24	teraflops	somewhere
2023-06-21 20:05:34	mister_dafuq	tirnanog: damn sorry bout that lol
2023-06-21 20:05:40	lairnc	yea, but how did you know?
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2023-06-21 20:05:45	lairnc	where did you look?
2023-06-21 20:05:45	mister_dafuq	What files would help as a pastebin?
2023-06-21 20:05:57	teraflops	because I lurk here and I read about the issue
2023-06-21 20:06:09	lairnc	where?
2023-06-21 20:06:11	tirnanog	mister_dafuq: /etc/sudoers and any files under /etc/sudoers.d (if you have any)
2023-06-21 20:06:54	tirnanog	mister_dafuq: find /etc/sudoers /etc/sudoers.d -type f -exec tail -c +1 {} +
2023-06-21 20:09:39	teraflops	lairnc: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/xdg-desktop-portal-gnome/-/issues/74 or https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2176759
2023-06-21 20:09:42	phrik	Title: xdg-desktop-portal-gnome 44 causes delays in non-GNOME desktops (#74) · Issues · GNOME / xdg-desktop-portal-gnome · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
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2023-06-21 20:14:31	mister_dafuq	tirnanog: https://pastebin.com/uXQtthdb 
2023-06-21 20:14:32	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HTUG.txt
2023-06-21 20:14:33	phrik	Title: ... other comments#### User privilege specification##root ALL=(ALL:ALL) - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-06-21 20:15:36	mister_dafuq	I have a feeling i've done something very silly here..
2023-06-21 20:15:52	mister_dafuq	But every other time this is all I would do, so not sure why this time it's an issue
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2023-06-21 20:20:07	mister_dafuq	I see a 00_{user} file that is probably the issue.. I cannot delete/edit it as sudo though
2023-06-21 20:20:35	tirnanog	"xyz ALL=(ALL) ALL" will defeat the "%wheel ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" policy, so that's one thing. however, I would then also expect the policy declared in xyz.conf to preside over that.
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2023-06-21 20:21:09	tirnanog	what are the modes of those files, also? find /etc/sudoers /etc/sudoers.d -ls
2023-06-21 20:21:34	yitz	Solved! Telling the NFS systemd.mount stuff to wait for systemd-networkd was trying to mount NFS when the interface came up ... but before it got a DHCP lease, so it didn't yet have an IP and wasn't routable.
2023-06-21 20:22:04	yitz	But adding a dependency on systemd-networkd-wait-online@eno1:routable.service makes it wait until the interface has an IP
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2023-06-21 20:25:11	tirnanog	mister_dafuq: can you provide that information?
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2023-06-21 20:28:45	mister_dafuq	Its in the pastebin, line 24 :)
2023-06-21 20:28:48	tirnanog	it's not.
2023-06-21 20:28:57	tirnanog	find /etc/sudoers /etc/sudoers.d -ls
2023-06-21 20:29:04	mister_dafuq	/etc/sudoers.d/00_xyz?
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2023-06-21 20:29:21	tirnanog	"what are the modes of those files, also? find /etc/sudoers /etc/sudoers.d -ls"
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2023-06-21 20:31:13	mister_dafuq	https://pastebin.com/FphCkDZb
2023-06-21 20:31:14	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HTUn.txt
2023-06-21 20:31:14	phrik	Title: find /etc/sudoers /etc/sudoers.d -ls 51728292 4 -r--r----- 1 root r - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2023-06-21 20:32:07	mion	your client doesn't support custom headers?
2023-06-21 20:32:12	mion	bha wrong channel
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2023-06-21 20:33:03	tirnanog	mister_dafuq: this won't work because, as was already stated, you have a policy of "xyz ALL=(ALL) ALL". the policy you had in "xyz.conf" (apparently now deleted) was a sensible one, and sufficient for direct yay and pacman usage.
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2023-06-21 20:33:20	tirnanog	the file modes are ok though.
2023-06-21 20:33:49	mister_dafuq	I deleted that to change 00_xyz but looks like I can't even as sudo
2023-06-21 20:33:51	tirnanog	I would suggest getting rid of "xyz ALL=(ALL) ALL" anyway. it's kind of dangerous. any process you ever ran can run anything as root, trivially.
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2023-06-21 20:33:55	tirnanog	er
2023-06-21 20:34:20	mister_dafuq	So ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL should be worse?
2023-06-21 20:34:27	tirnanog	sorry, now that one. I mean the broadly scoped %wheel one. or, at least, pick one approach in that scope and stick to it, rather than have a %wheel policy that gets overridden for xyz anyway.
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2023-06-21 20:34:29	tirnanog	not*
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2023-06-21 20:34:50	tirnanog	for pacman and yay, xyz ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/pacman is all you need.
2023-06-21 20:35:00	mister_dafuq	I see. This makes sense
2023-06-21 20:35:22	tirnanog	I tested that exact policy to be absolutely certain, only replacing with my username.
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2023-06-21 20:36:18	tirnanog	also, if you prefer, rather than mess with /etc/sudoers at all, you could just leave it as a commented reference file and do everything in /etc/sudoers.d/local or whatever.
2023-06-21 20:36:43	tirnanog	at least you don't have to fiddle with pacnew files later.
2023-06-21 20:37:12	mister_dafuq	By 'as a commented reference' you mean comment everything out, except @include I guess and work on /etc/sudoers.d/xxx ?
2023-06-21 20:37:19	tirnanog	yeah.
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2023-06-21 20:37:31	tirnanog	it's up to you but I think it's easier to maintain the long run.
2023-06-21 20:37:37	tirnanog	in*
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2023-06-21 20:37:49	tirnanog	the stock sudoers always ends with that includedir statement anyway.
2023-06-21 20:38:29	mister_dafuq	This is my personal pc and i'm the only one user so it should be managable but why not do it the safer way :)
2023-06-21 20:38:49	tirnanog	either way, try to avoid declaring policies that have overlapping scope in an ambiguous way.
2023-06-21 20:39:08	mister_dafuq	Just to confirm, commenting *everything* including `root ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL` from the main file would be okay?
2023-06-21 20:39:12	tirnanog	if you do do that, the last matching rule wins, always.
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2023-06-21 20:39:35	mister_dafuq	tirnanog makes a lot more sense, and you're right that's what's probably happening now :D 
2023-06-21 20:40:42	tirnanog	before you change anything, you might want to think about what policy you want. my recommendation - as a starting point - would be something like "%wheel ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" followed by your pacman rule. so, it's only passwordless for invocation of pacman, which seems better than allowing absolutely anything be executed as root in all perpetuity without auth.
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2023-06-21 20:41:02	tirnanog	(keeping in mind that only program could run sudo behind your back in theory)
2023-06-21 20:41:08	tirnanog	s/only/any/
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2023-06-21 20:41:44	mister_dafuq	That sounds very sensible. Thanks for this!
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2023-06-21 20:42:21	mister_dafuq	Btw what does `root ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL` do if it's enabled by default but can be safely switched with %wheel?
2023-06-21 20:42:52	tirnanog	the last matching rule wins, always.
2023-06-21 20:42:59	mister_dafuq	Aaaah yes right
2023-06-21 20:43:09	tirnanog	last by order of declaration. for @includedir, that means the matching files, in lexicographical order.
2023-06-21 20:43:28	mister_dafuq	That's very weird.., I would except rules to be scoped by user -> Root, wheel, xyz
2023-06-21 20:44:08	mion	mister_dafuq: there is nothing inheritly special about the name root though
2023-06-21 20:44:12	tirnanog	it's simple to reason with.
2023-06-21 20:44:23	mion	and lots of systems doesn't use wheel etc
2023-06-21 20:44:24	tirnanog	if >1 policy could be chosen, pick the last declared one.
2023-06-21 20:44:40	mion	sudo is agnostic, it doesn't place special meaning to certain user names
2023-06-21 20:44:46	mion	on*
2023-06-21 20:45:11	mister_dafuq	Interesting... I thought it's literally a 'super user' xP
2023-06-21 20:45:46	mion	its just a common convention
2023-06-21 20:45:48	tirnanog	it's really got nothing to do with super users except that, in the absence of the -u option, the root user is considered the default user to switch to.
2023-06-21 20:46:00	mion	there are quite a few systems that uses "toor" instead
2023-06-21 20:46:14	mion	something something security trough obscurity :p
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2023-06-21 20:47:00	mion	as far as most software goes, they don't actually care about the username at all, only the uid
2023-06-21 20:47:39	mister_dafuq	also makes so much sense..
2023-06-21 20:47:55	tirnanog	bottom line: declare policies of a greater specificity later
2023-06-21 20:48:01	tirnanog	rather than earlier.
2023-06-21 20:48:07	mister_dafuq	Yes, got it!
2023-06-21 20:48:07	tirnanog	then you should be alright.
2023-06-21 20:48:27	mister_dafuq	It seemed much more complicated than it is
2023-06-21 20:49:08	mister_dafuq	You all should start a podcast or something.. So much nicer than reading a bunch of wiki 😅
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2023-06-24 13:26:32	mohan43u	why are we splitting the upstreams with multiple PKGBUILD? take llvm, I see two PKGBUILD for clang and llvm, isn't suppose to be single PKGBUILD for whole llvm project and we are suppose to be generating different packages from the same PKGBUILD?
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2023-06-24 13:27:25	mohan43u	tf llvm's PKGBUILD broken now, we cannot update to 16.x
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2023-06-24 13:31:18	Namarrgon	"we"?
2023-06-24 13:31:27	Namarrgon	what is the problem exactly?
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2023-06-24 13:35:09	mohan43u	Namarrgon: https://paste.rs/9R0Mk
2023-06-24 13:36:34	mohan43u	Namarrgon: this should have been prevented if we used PKGBUILD for the whole llvm-project using Source.tar.gz
2023-06-24 13:38:47	Namarrgon	i'm not sure how that would help but major version bumps often require major changes to the PKGBUILD
2023-06-24 13:41:08	mohan43u	Namarrgon: I dont know, but the current way of building llvm's packages is not helping
2023-06-24 13:41:39	mohan43u	Namarrgon: llvm suppose to be like how we build qemu packages
2023-06-24 13:41:49	Namarrgon	i don't think splitting has anything to do with your build-system issue
2023-06-24 13:42:12	mohan43u	Namarrgon: what else causing my build system issue?
2023-06-24 13:42:14	ntwk	How can I redisplay the boot-up messages printed by systemd.show_status=true kernel parameter once my system has finished booting?
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2023-06-24 13:42:39	Namarrgon	mohan43u: changes to the build system in the new release that require changes to the PKGBUILD
2023-06-24 13:42:49	Namarrgon	i'm off for lunch anyway, good luck!
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2023-06-24 13:48:00	lambda	ntwk: I don't know of any way to get the exact output, but maybe what you're interested in ended up in the journal or dmesg?
2023-06-24 13:48:58	ℹ 	tensor-manic es conocido ahora como spectdecomp
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2023-06-24 14:03:43	ianliu	past week, after a system upgrade, my Steam client window stopped showing. I did a full reinstall of Steam, deleted all steam files from my $HOME. After that the steam client started showing up again, but now the exact same problem is happening. The tray icon is showing, though. Anyone with similar issues?
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2023-06-24 14:08:18	thingfish	seems fine here, ianliu
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2023-06-25 00:08:53	brocellous	What's a good way to install pacakges from my host system into an nspawn container? Can I pacstrap more than once?
2023-06-25 00:09:09	MrElendig	sure
2023-06-25 00:10:24	brocellous	Basically I have a container at /var/lib/machines/arch I want to test a patched systemd on. I build systemd on my local system and install those .pkg.tar.zst to the container how?
2023-06-25 00:12:24	Scimmia	pacman --sysroot
2023-06-25 00:13:11	brocellous	Scimmia: ah that looks good
2023-06-25 00:16:24	Repentinus	You can also bind mount your build dir read-only in the container and then use pacman in the container.
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2023-06-27 19:29:26	semeion	if i create a systemd service inside /etc/systemd/system/ to run a bash script using ExecStart=/usr/bin/myscript and inside my script i have a command like '$(whoami)', what will be the output of this command?
2023-06-27 19:30:19	nejni-marji	semeion: it will probably just say root
2023-06-27 19:30:56	semeion	nejni-marji: so (($EUID == 0)) && echo 'root' will print root too right?
2023-06-27 19:31:12	Namarrgon	it will default to root unless you override it with User= in the unit
2023-06-27 19:31:38	nejni-marji	uh, i'm not familiar with that parenthetical syntax, but probably, yeah
2023-06-27 19:31:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-06-27 19:31:47	semeion	Namarrgon: nejni-marji: thank you
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2023-06-27 20:02:29	MrElendig	semeion: what is the actual problem?
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2023-06-27 20:06:03	CarloWood	In which directory is pacman installed?
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2023-06-27 20:07:15	MrElendig	pacman -Ql pacman
2023-06-27 20:07:21	another|	CarloWood: check dmesg
2023-06-27 20:08:00	Edu4rdSHL	another|, how does dmesg will help with that?
2023-06-27 20:08:14	CarloWood	I am in the twilightzone here.. I put the new .iso on an USB but that didn't boot. So now I booted the old Arch iso that I had.  My PC looks unrecognizable... /dev/sda has nothing, no partitions and /dev/sdb seems to be an old debian install.  I can't find back my root :(
2023-06-27 20:08:54	teraflops	https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/pacman/ <- view package contents
2023-06-27 20:08:57	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - pacman 6.0.2-7 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
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2023-06-27 20:10:11	CarloWood	k, so it is in /usr/bin ... 
2023-06-27 20:10:33	MrElendig	lsblk -f might give some hints
2023-06-27 20:10:49	MrElendig	optionally with -o+parttypename
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2023-06-27 20:12:53	CarloWood	I think that /dev/sdb is debian... It is pretty scary that sda shows up as just that:  'sda'... totally empty :/
2023-06-27 20:13:54	CarloWood	but maybe its normal... sda is my 6 TB encrypted disk... maybe it is just noise.
2023-06-27 20:14:36	MrElendig	CarloWood: you used fde for arch? if so you have to unlock it
2023-06-27 20:15:10	ursa	Unusual FDE then, because it's lacking ESP and /boot
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2023-06-27 20:16:07	MrElendig	cryptsetup open /dev/sda
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2023-06-27 20:16:58	CarloWood	I have nvme0n1 with a 'vfat' (EFI or /boot?) ext4 - apparently not encrypted and a crypto_LUKS
2023-06-27 20:17:04	ursa	I don't think it's recommended to do partitionless cryptsetup
2023-06-27 20:17:15	MrElendig	CarloWood: post the full lsblk -f
2023-06-27 20:17:26	MrElendig	even better, with -o+parttypename
2023-06-27 20:18:01	CarloWood	Ok, sorry what is command line again to pipe into to get it to a paste site?
2023-06-27 20:18:40	ursa	!paste
2023-06-27 20:18:40	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2023-06-27 20:19:01	CarloWood	!ix
2023-06-27 20:19:01	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2023-06-27 20:19:02	another|	Edu4rdSHL: wasn't it USB device present but no block device?
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2023-06-27 20:21:23	CarloWood	MrElendig: http://ix.io/4zgG
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2023-06-27 20:23:09	MrElendig	nvme0n1p2 looks like a good candidate
2023-06-27 20:23:23	MrElendig	with p3 being a /home
2023-06-27 20:23:35	MrElendig	or /boot and /home
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2023-06-27 20:24:19	CarloWood	p2 contains efi/ grub/ amd-ucode.img initramfs* and vmlinuz-linux
2023-06-27 20:24:44	MrElendig	so p2 is boot and p3 is probably root or lvm with root on it
2023-06-27 20:24:53	CarloWood	Its lvm
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2023-06-27 20:25:18	MrElendig	cryptsetup open nvme0n1p3 and then vgchange -a
2023-06-27 20:25:44	CarloWood	I have a lot of partitions, one for /, /home, /usr, /opt/, /usr/src etc... so all of that is inside the lvm
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2023-06-27 20:31:42	CarloWood	cryptsetup open /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt
2023-06-27 20:31:43	CarloWood	?
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2023-06-27 20:33:21	another|	No
2023-06-27 20:33:53	CarloWood	That asks for my passphrase and then says: Device mnt not found / Cannot use device /mnt, name invalid or still in use.
2023-06-27 20:33:56	MrElendig	it doesn't take a target
2023-06-27 20:34:03	MrElendig	I ment what I wrote
2023-06-27 20:34:26	another|	It does take a mapping name
2023-06-27 20:34:27	MrElendig	optionally you can give it a name
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2023-06-27 20:34:35	MrElendig	but not a path
2023-06-27 20:34:47	bjourne	i  just updated and there is some weird issue with kde, both in my laptop and  desktop
2023-06-27 20:34:56	MrElendig	bjourne: test with a new user
2023-06-27 20:34:59	CarloWood	Just cryptsetup open nvme0n1p3 gives: Command requires device and mapped name as arguments
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2023-06-27 20:35:02	susi	if no name's given, what then? I have never tried
2023-06-27 20:35:13	Edu4rdSHL	another|, I thought you were replying to the pacman question :p
2023-06-27 20:35:27	bjourne	MrElendig: good idea
2023-06-27 20:36:03	MrElendig	CarloWood: call it banana or whatever, doesn't matter
2023-06-27 20:36:57	coruja	ok, interesting experience here: did a kernel update to testing's 6.4 (and 29 other packages), after rebooting sound had gone, searched a bit but found nothing, then restored a backup from last weekend, rebooted, and sound still gone (which worked before ofc), so any hints for me where to start debugging?
2023-06-27 20:37:00	CarloWood	ok that worked (with /dev/ otherwise "Device .. does not exist)
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2023-06-27 20:38:00	another|	Edu4rdSHL: alright
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2023-06-27 20:38:52	coruja	maybe i should add that i use plain alsa for sound, and that afaics no settings have been changed concerning sound, the same settings that worked before (and still work running debian stable)
2023-06-27 20:39:28	MrElendig	coruja: pa/pw?
2023-06-27 20:39:34	CarloWood	MrElendig: vgchange: option requires an argument -- `a`
2023-06-27 20:39:39	MrElendig	check the profile etc
2023-06-27 20:39:53	coruja	MrElendig: no, pipewire installed as depend but not used
2023-06-27 20:40:12	MrElendig	-a y
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2023-06-27 20:40:31	gromit	coruja: were you able to test with different hardware so far? 
2023-06-27 20:41:06	coruja	gromit: i have none to test but as said, hardware does fine with debian stable still
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2023-06-27 20:42:55	coruja	alsamixer settings are fine (as before) too, no error messages in journal
2023-06-27 20:43:16	another|	How are you testing sound?
2023-06-27 20:43:34	coruja	playing audio, playing video, speaker-test
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2023-06-27 20:43:57	another|	With what applications?
2023-06-27 20:44:06	coruja	mpd, mpv
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2023-06-27 20:44:31	coruja	both run without any errors or complaints too
2023-06-27 20:47:41	coruja	usually i'm quite capable of helping myself, but here i'm out of ideas ;) but it's a not too serious issue as i have my fallback system of debian stable, but ofc i still want to fix that
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2023-06-27 20:51:21	coruja	and i don't expect a perfect solution (which i would take too of course) but just some hints where to dig deeper :)
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2023-06-27 20:53:25	another|	Which audio module does MPV report?
2023-06-27 20:53:41	another|	Pipewire-alsa installed?
2023-06-27 20:54:32	another|	Which median sessions manager is installed?
2023-06-27 20:54:37	moviuro	what would cause this error to occur whent trying to use the native steam package, but not the flatpak version (which works fine, 120FPS and all)? https://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/0/4911755446835846535/ (Lego Skywalker Saga on Steam saying "Sorry, but your machine is unable to run the game.")
2023-06-27 20:54:38	phrik	Title: LEGO Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga Not Working with any Proton Version :: Steam for Linux General Discussions (at steamcommunity.com)
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2023-06-27 20:55:23	coruja	pipewire-alsa not installed (but not using pipewire anyway), mpv won't make sense now as i've booted debian
2023-06-27 20:55:33	coruja	another|: ^
2023-06-27 20:55:44	coruja	another|: median session manager?
2023-06-27 20:56:05	CarloWood	MrElendig: I mounted the root under /mnt/myroot -- this is most definitely the Arch root.  Yet, /mnt/myroot/etc/default/grub now contains: http://ix.io/4zgM   note the second line :/.  So, thats why I thought this was weird.  Even weirder is that I HAVE that executable apparently.  Do you have an idea how I can recover from this?
2023-06-27 20:56:07	another|	PW media session manager
2023-06-27 20:56:30	another|	Dammed autocorrect
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2023-06-27 20:57:14	coruja	another|: again, i don't use pipwire, only pipewire packages installed are pipewire and libpipewire
2023-06-27 20:57:17	astralc	CarloWood: `cat /mnt/myroot/etc/lsb-release`
2023-06-27 20:57:21	coruja	*pipewire
2023-06-27 20:57:30	teraflops	coruja: so you are asking for help but you are booted into debian?
2023-06-27 20:57:31	MrElendig	CarloWood: cat /mnt/myroot/etc/*-release
2023-06-27 20:57:52	Namarrgon	CarloWood: you might have added that line yourself, like the others that are not in the stock config
2023-06-27 20:58:01	CarloWood	No such file or directory
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2023-06-27 20:58:26	CarloWood	err
2023-06-27 20:58:35	CarloWood	its there\
2023-06-27 20:58:44	coruja	teraflops: yes but i'm chrooted into my arch installation to be able to provide some info at least
2023-06-27 20:58:51	another|	coruja: PW depends on a session manager 
2023-06-27 20:58:56	teraflops	...
2023-06-27 20:59:26	coruja	another|: i'll take a look
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2023-06-27 21:00:11	CarloWood	It says:  DISTRIB_ID="Arch" / DISTRIB_RELEASE="rolling"  / DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Arch Linux"  /  cat: /mnt/myroot/etc/os-release: No such file or directory
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2023-06-27 21:02:29	coruja	another|: searching for pipewire session manager returns wireplumber but not installed
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2023-06-27 21:03:30	susi	CarloWood: what file has that content if not os-release?
2023-06-27 21:03:35	moviuro	BTW, package list: https://x0.at/aB0g.txt
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2023-06-27 21:04:12	coruja	and pipewire-media-session (but which is described as deprecated)
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2023-06-27 21:05:40	Tom^	moviuro: im not entirerly sure whats required but i got vulkan-mesa-layers which you dont seem to have
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2023-06-27 21:07:10	CarloWood	susi: lsb-release ... os-release is a symlink to ../usr/lib/os-release   (not mounted)
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2023-06-27 21:07:36	Tom^	moviuro: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Mesa-20.1-Vulkan-Dev-Selection hrm mostly seems to be for multi gpu
2023-06-27 21:07:38	phrik	Title: Mesa 20.1 Adds A Vulkan Device Selection Layer For Better Handling Multi-GPU Setups - Phoronix (at www.phoronix.com)
2023-06-27 21:08:30	Tom^	moviuro: you also seem to miss lib32-vulkan-radeon
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2023-06-27 21:09:11	moviuro	won't that interfere with amdgpu? (radeon...amdgpu)
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2023-06-27 21:09:55	moviuro	meh, I'll just reboot and see what happens
2023-06-27 21:09:58	Tom^	moviuro: vulkan-radeon is for radv
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2023-06-27 21:10:57	Tom^	never thought about its name before thats true, but yeah its what you want
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2023-06-27 21:11:41	Tom^	you dont need to reboot after installing it tho :p
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2023-06-27 21:13:54	CarloWood	Ok, that mystery is solved: I have /usr/local/sbin/update-grub in my PATH :/
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2023-06-27 21:14:36	moviuro	Tom^: remote machine (living room), "media center" as in auto-boots to steam... not really expensive ;)
2023-06-27 21:14:47	CarloWood	This is not the usual update-grub ... it is a script I wrote that is related the installation of Arch
2023-06-27 21:14:52	Tom^	moviuro: okay
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2023-06-27 21:16:25	coruja	another|: booted into arch now, how to find out which audio module mpv uses?
2023-06-27 21:16:35	CarloWood	That script contains:   grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg "$@"
2023-06-27 21:16:46	teraflops	look at mpv output in terminal
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2023-07-01 09:50:30	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1388 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1387 normals)
2023-07-01 05:23:05	Pikk3wyn	in your /etc/mkinitcpio.conf
2023-07-01 05:28:53	Scimmia	how would the module order make a difference?
2023-07-01 05:31:41	Pikk3wyn	since adding nomodeset for the thing made a difference, its possible something is trying to modesetting before its supposed to
2023-07-01 05:32:07	Pikk3wyn	also, if you have the kms hook, it might not need early load
2023-07-01 05:32:12	Pikk3wyn	what are your MODULES()
2023-07-01 05:44:54	Ghosthree3	i dont use mkinitcpio, so dracut default order + the additional modules i load
2023-07-01 05:45:09	Ghosthree3	(which are add_drivers+=" vfio_pci vfio vfio_iommu_type1 amdgpu " but i think that information is useless)
2023-07-01 05:46:32	Pikk3wyn	try put amdgpu before
2023-07-01 05:50:15	tmpm697	hi anyone got audio fail after upgrading `pipewire` to version 72-1?
2023-07-01 05:51:23	tmpm697	all `libpipewire` and its `pipewire-*` upgrade yesterday cause my audio failed. bluetooth constantly connect then disconnect.
2023-07-01 05:51:31	tmpm697	idk if anyone report it
2023-07-01 05:59:18	Pikk3wyn	tmpm697: put node.suspend-on-idle   = false in your pipewire conf
2023-07-01 05:59:34	Pikk3wyn	also usbcore.autosuspend=-1 btusb.enable_autosuspend=0  on kernel
2023-07-01 06:00:29	tmpm697	tks Pikk3wyn : what happened, can you link the issue?
2023-07-01 06:01:01	Pikk3wyn	i dont have a link to an issue, its just a common fix for that problem 
2023-07-01 06:01:15	Pikk3wyn	often caused by usb autosuspendand/or stream suspending
2023-07-01 06:01:24	Pikk3wyn	also can try disable usb autosuspend in bios
2023-07-01 06:03:10	tmpm697	tks, because it's working yesterday before upgrade
2023-07-01 06:04:06	Pikk3wyn	bluetooth adapters are very sketchy with autosuspend, sometimes minor changes make it become jank
2023-07-01 06:04:12	Pikk3wyn	cant hurt to try
2023-07-01 06:14:36	gehidore	6return,return,return
2023-07-01 06:23:27	UndeadLeech	Archwiki on polkit states `3rd party packages can use /usr/share/polkit-1/rules.d (though few if any do)`. This kinda makes it sound like polkit rules aren't great to use. If I wanted to write an aur package that requires the ability to suspend the system, how would you go about allowing that to work? Polkit rule or something else?
2023-07-01 06:24:23	mikey	I broke it
2023-07-01 06:24:34	gehidore	good for you
2023-07-01 06:24:44	gehidore	what'd you break?
2023-07-01 06:24:57	gehidore	and why did you break it?
2023-07-01 06:26:49	mikey	bluetooth
2023-07-01 06:27:02	mikey	I did system update
2023-07-01 06:31:29	brocellous	!bug
2023-07-01 06:31:30	phrik	brocellous: bug <an alias on #archlinux, 1 argument>
2023-07-01 06:31:55	mikey	when I try to connect my headphones. they connect for a second but then immediately disconnect.
2023-07-01 06:33:00	Pikk3wyn	mikey: someone just came with that issue 20min ago
2023-07-01 06:33:06	mikey	oh?
2023-07-01 06:33:09	mikey	was it resolved?
2023-07-01 06:33:13	Pikk3wyn	no
2023-07-01 06:33:16	mikey	v_v
2023-07-01 06:33:30	Pikk3wyn	i recommended they try turn off autosuspend and pipewire node suspend but they didnt give an answer
2023-07-01 06:33:39	Pikk3wyn	kernel param usbcore.autosuspend=-1 btusb.enable_autosuspend=
2023-07-01 06:33:44	Pikk3wyn	usbcore.autosuspend=-1 btusb.enable_autosuspend=0 *
2023-07-01 06:33:50	Pikk3wyn	node.suspend-on-idle   = false in your pipewire conf
2023-07-01 06:33:52	Pikk3wyn	lmk if it works
2023-07-01 06:34:27	mikey	okay. I enter those kernel params at boot?
2023-07-01 06:34:42	mikey	is that all one line
2023-07-01 06:34:49	Pikk3wyn	you can put them in your cmdline in /etc/default/grub
2023-07-01 06:35:14	Pikk3wyn	GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=" blah usbcore.autosuspend=-1 btusb.enable_autosuspend=0"
2023-07-01 06:35:48	Pikk3wyn	then grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2023-07-01 06:36:43	mikey	is the pipewire bit something else?
2023-07-01 06:37:44	mikey	okay there is already a bunch of stuff in my GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX, I can just put this after right?
2023-07-01 06:37:50	mikey	is that what your blah is
2023-07-01 06:41:37	mikey	just want to be extra clear before I make this unbootable.
2023-07-01 06:42:01	mikey	GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="cryptdevice=UUID=19393b31-61f6-48d5-9847-ac1c550df260:cryptroot root=/dev/mapper/cryptr>
2023-07-01 06:42:31	mikey	mapper/cryptroot"
2023-07-01 06:47:36	Pikk3wyn	just put a space after the cryptroot
2023-07-01 06:48:13	mikey	and then usbcore. ... =-1 btusb ... =0" ?
2023-07-01 06:49:35	Pikk3wyn	ja
2023-07-01 06:50:51	mikey	okay then I did grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2023-07-01 06:53:56	tmpm697	i downgrade pipewire, still same issue, this can be other upgrade
2023-07-01 06:54:09	tmpm697	i doubt it to linux-lts that i'm using
2023-07-01 06:55:22	Pikk3wyn	and bluez?
2023-07-01 06:55:59	tmpm697	yeah, just downgrading bluez and testing
2023-07-01 06:59:21	mikey	Pikk3wyn: after grub-mkconfig, should I reboot or osmething?
2023-07-01 07:00:39	tmpm697	nothing work, i hate this
2023-07-01 07:01:02	tmpm697	upgrading full system and now trace in vague, one of component causing issue.
2023-07-01 07:02:07	Pikk3wyn	mikey: ja
2023-07-01 07:02:46	mikey	okay! brb (hopefully)
2023-07-01 07:11:45	tmpm697	mikey : does it work?
2023-07-01 07:25:28	mikey_broke_grub	welp
2023-07-01 07:25:41	mikey_broke_grub	I cannot boot my computer
2023-07-01 07:27:15	mikey_broke_grub	I am using TAILS usb drive
2023-07-01 07:27:27	mikey_broke_grub	is it possible to fix whatever I just broke
2023-07-01 07:29:08	mikey_broke_grub	Can someone look in the log and tell me what file mikey was editing a few minutes ago?
2023-07-01 07:30:21	mikey_broke_grub	fuck
2023-07-01 07:30:23	mikey_broke_grub	brb
2023-07-01 07:30:25	tmpm697	revert back
2023-07-01 07:30:29	mikey_broke_grub	how?
2023-07-01 07:30:34	tmpm697	livecd
2023-07-01 07:30:44	mikey_broke_grub	I am on live usb right now
2023-07-01 07:31:12	tmpm697	mount root
2023-07-01 07:31:17	tmpm697	cd to it and fix
2023-07-01 07:31:38	mikey_broke_grub	was it /var/grub/grub.cfg
2023-07-01 07:31:40	tmpm697	mount boot
2023-07-01 07:31:51	mikey_broke_grub	and then run the makegrub thing
2023-07-01 07:31:55	tmpm697	mount the old disks first
2023-07-01 07:32:08	mikey_broke_grub	okay I need to restart tails and make an admin password. brb
2023-07-01 07:32:15	tmpm697	idk remember how to re-generate grub under livecd
2023-07-01 07:32:46	tmpm697	but you need to arch-smth /old_root_mout_point to work on it
2023-07-01 07:33:05	SleepyMario	hello, anyone else getting segfaults when connecting bluetooth headphones starting today? I'm having the exact same problem on 2 systems.
2023-07-01 07:39:22	mikey_broke_grub	I unlocked my drive with the graphic file manager but I don't know where it is mounted
2023-07-01 07:40:10	mikey_broke_grub	it just says 500 GB Volume
2023-07-01 07:40:12	mikey_broke_grub	but I am inside it
2023-07-01 07:40:22	mikey_broke_grub	the /boot directory is empty
2023-07-01 07:41:25	mikey_broke_grub	okay I opened a terminal in there itas a crazy string of numbers and letters in /media/amnesia/
2023-07-01 07:43:47	mikey_broke_grub	can someone see in the chat log, what the file I edted was?
2023-07-01 07:43:53	mikey_broke_grub	I cannot see the history
2023-07-01 07:46:46	mikey_broke_grub	anyone. please
2023-07-01 07:48:12	mikey_broke_grub	pktalgo was it you who was helping me?
2023-07-01 07:52:40	mikey_broke_grub	I found the /etc/default/grub file
2023-07-01 07:52:58	mikey_broke_grub	if I edit it, how do I create a new grub config
2023-07-01 07:53:18	mikey_broke_grub	isn't there some change root or something?
2023-07-01 07:55:50	mikey_broke_grub	there is some way to switch to the mounted system but I don't remember it
2023-07-01 07:55:57	mikey_broke_grub	it's like pacroot or something
2023-07-01 07:56:04	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg 
2023-07-01 07:56:23	mikey_broke_grub	thank you uuidNuniq!
2023-07-01 07:56:42	mikey_broke_grub	I just need to run that for the broken system tho
2023-07-01 07:56:50	mikey_broke_grub	right now I am on live usb
2023-07-01 07:57:35	uuidNuniq	you need to chroot
2023-07-01 07:57:39	mikey_broke_grub	YES
2023-07-01 07:57:54	uuidNuniq	mount your real drive and arch-chroot and do everything else
2023-07-01 07:58:55	mikey_broke_grub	hm. I don't think this TAILS usb has chroot
2023-07-01 07:59:07	uuidNuniq	TALIS? 
2023-07-01 07:59:26	mikey_broke_grub	It's some live linux drive I had laying around
2023-07-01 08:00:55	uuidNuniq	command -V chroot arch-chroot
2023-07-01 08:01:55	mikey_broke_grub	okay I think I'm in. going to try the grub-mkconfig
2023-07-01 08:02:08	uuidNuniq	you think you are in?
2023-07-01 08:02:36	mikey_broke_grub	I did sudo chroot /media/amnesia/02...... 88/
2023-07-01 08:02:55	uuidNuniq	nah. 
2023-07-01 08:03:04	mikey_broke_grub	and now it says root@amnesia /] #.
2023-07-01 08:03:11	mikey_broke_grub	oh
2023-07-01 08:03:25	uuidNuniq	not that simple
2023-07-01 08:04:17	mikey_broke_grub	okay
2023-07-01 08:04:22	mikey_broke_grub	 exited
2023-07-01 08:04:27	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/chroot // read 4.3 
2023-07-01 08:04:28	phrik	Title: chroot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-01 08:05:20	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: first of all, you need to know where your archlinux installed. show me the output of `sfdisk -l`
2023-07-01 08:05:49	mikey_broke_grub	sfdisk not found
2023-07-01 08:06:07	uuidNuniq	fdisk -l
2023-07-01 08:06:27	mikey_broke_grub	also not  found v_v
2023-07-01 08:06:43	mikey_broke_grub	okay just needed sudo
2023-07-01 08:06:58	uuidNuniq	nice. that's a nice usb drive
2023-07-01 08:07:22	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: get a root shell : sudo su -l
2023-07-01 08:07:38	uuidNuniq	and do everything as root. f**k sudo
2023-07-01 08:07:46	mikey_broke_grub	k
2023-07-01 08:08:15	mikey_broke_grub	I see /dev/sda. it looks like /dev/sda2 is the arch system
2023-07-01 08:08:54	uuidNuniq	paste output like this : sfdisk -l | curl -F"file=@-" https://0x0.st
2023-07-01 08:10:09	mikey_broke_grub	could not resolve host 0x0.st
2023-07-01 08:10:24	uuidNuniq	do you have network?
2023-07-01 08:10:38	mikey_broke_grub	I am using it for IRC
2023-07-01 08:11:14	uuidNuniq	can you ping 1.1.1.1
2023-07-01 08:11:30	mikey_broke_grub	operation not permitted
2023-07-01 08:12:00	uuidNuniq	you are using irc on your usb drive? but you can't ping 1.1.1.1?
2023-07-01 08:12:31	mikey_broke_grub	yes. it's probably something to do with this darn OS
2023-07-01 08:12:42	mikey_broke_grub	I think it is using tor or somethning
2023-07-01 08:13:56	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: ok, sfdisk -l /dev/sda what do you see?
2023-07-01 08:14:24	uuidNuniq	tell me the Device and Type
2023-07-01 08:15:33	mikey_broke_grub	. /dev/sda1 : EFI System,  /dev/sda2 : Linux filesystem
2023-07-01 08:16:14	uuidNuniq	ok. mount | grep sda
2023-07-01 08:16:42	mikey_broke_grub	okay. what does that do?
2023-07-01 08:16:48	mikey_broke_grub	it appeared to do nothing.
2023-07-01 08:16:57	uuidNuniq	tell me if you see any output, and if you do, what is the "sda1 on xx" "sda2 on xx"
2023-07-01 08:17:35	mikey_broke_grub	no output
2023-07-01 08:17:46	uuidNuniq	ok. let's mount it
2023-07-01 08:18:14	uuidNuniq	mkdir -p /mnt/arch ; mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/arch
2023-07-01 08:18:59	lowden	so i have both pulseaudio and pipewire installed which one of it am i using for my microphone ?
2023-07-01 08:19:36	mikey_broke_grub	unknown filesystem type 'crypto_LUKS'
2023-07-01 08:19:59	uuidNuniq	oh. it is encrypted ...
2023-07-01 08:20:44	mikey_broke_grub	I was able to unlock it through the gui file manager thing and navigate through my files
2023-07-01 08:21:41	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: ls -la /dev/mapper
2023-07-01 08:22:53	mikey_broke_grub	I see 4 entries. [.], [..], [control], [luks-19............f260 -> ../dm-0]
2023-07-01 08:23:22	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: mount | grep mapper
2023-07-01 08:24:57	mikey_broke_grub	. /dev/mapper/luks-19.........f260 on /media/amnesia/02.............e88 type ext4
2023-07-01 08:25:36	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: grep fat /media/amnesia/02..../etc/fstab
2023-07-01 08:26:19	mikey_broke_grub	UUID=8726-ECB6          /boot         vfat          rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8,errors=remount-ro    0 2
2023-07-01 08:26:46	uuidNuniq	ok cool
2023-07-01 08:27:07	uuidNuniq	mount /dev/sda1 /media/amnesia/02...../boot
2023-07-01 08:27:38	mikey_broke_grub	k
2023-07-01 08:27:50	uuidNuniq	now : cd /media/amnesia/02.............e88
2023-07-01 08:28:13	mikey_broke_grub	k
2023-07-01 08:28:26	uuidNuniq	mount -t proc /proc proc ; mount -t sysfs /sys sys ; mount -o bind /dev dev
2023-07-01 08:28:42	uuidNuniq	mount -o bind /run run
2023-07-01 08:28:56	uuidNuniq	mount -o bind /tmp tmp
2023-07-01 08:29:34	mikey_broke_grub	okay
2023-07-01 08:29:44	uuidNuniq	when all done. you can do : chroot /media/amnesia/02.... /bin/bash
2023-07-01 08:29:59	uuidNuniq	and then, source /etc/profile
2023-07-01 08:30:23	mikey_broke_grub	.../bin/bash Not a directory
2023-07-01 08:30:37	uuidNuniq	no, the ... are tab completion. 
2023-07-01 08:30:46	uuidNuniq	you need to complete it with TAB
2023-07-01 08:30:50	mikey_broke_grub	yeah I did
2023-07-01 08:30:52	mikey_broke_grub	I will try again
2023-07-01 08:31:13	mikey_broke_grub	chroot /media/amnesia/024146d3-4d5c-4189-ad3f-28dae1c41e88/bin/bash
2023-07-01 08:31:25	mikey_broke_grub	Not a directory
2023-07-01 08:31:44	uuidNuniq	 /bin/bash need a space before it 
2023-07-01 08:31:55	mikey_broke_grub	ah
2023-07-01 08:32:36	uuidNuniq	once in, you can do the fixes you want 
2023-07-01 08:32:48	uuidNuniq	what was the issue that you can't boot?
2023-07-01 08:32:57	mikey_broke_grub	okay I did source /etc/profile. it output: setterm: terminal xterm-256color does not support --blength
2023-07-01 08:33:08	mikey_broke_grub	sounds promising
2023-07-01 08:33:17	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: export TERM=xterm-256color
2023-07-01 08:33:33	mikey_broke_grub	k
2023-07-01 08:33:51	uuidNuniq	run:  clear
2023-07-01 08:34:10	mikey_broke_grub	cleared
2023-07-01 08:34:21	mikey_broke_grub	unless you meant "run: clear"
2023-07-01 08:34:23	uuidNuniq	now go on with your grub
2023-07-01 08:35:17	mikey_broke_grub	okay so just grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2023-07-01 08:35:37	mikey_broke_grub	because I already deleted the bit that I added at the start of all this
2023-07-01 08:35:55	mikey_broke_grub	okay. looked like it did something
2023-07-01 09:06:32	mikey_broke_grub	uuidNuniq did not work :(
2023-07-01 09:07:35	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: what messge did you see
2023-07-01 09:07:39	mikey_broke_grub	I saw "Welcome to GRUB" for a split second but then the screen went black and it went back to the BIOS
2023-07-01 09:08:09	TheDcoder	what happened to BlueGriffon? It's no longer in the AUR
2023-07-01 09:08:30	uuidNuniq	split second? you mean like flash
2023-07-01 09:08:38	mikey_broke_grub	is there a log somewhere so I can save all the steps you gave me earlier?
2023-07-01 09:08:41	mikey_broke_grub	yes it just flashed
2023-07-01 09:11:01	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: what exactly did you do that broke the boot 
2023-07-01 09:11:20	mikey_broke_grub	someone told me to try something to fix my bluetooth
2023-07-01 09:11:35	mikey_broke_grub	it was around 3 hours ago in this channel
2023-07-01 09:11:43	uuidNuniq	yes, but what did you do? what file did you edit. what command did you run
2023-07-01 09:12:08	mikey_broke_grub	is there no log? I did what he said.
2023-07-01 09:12:21	mikey_broke_grub	I think it was that /etc/default/grub file
2023-07-01 09:12:45	mikey_broke_grub	I don't remember the name of the parameter. I added a couple things to it.
2023-07-01 09:13:04	mikey_broke_grub	if there is someone who was here for the last 3 hours, it would be very helpful to have a log
2023-07-01 09:13:57	mikey_broke_grub	after I added the things to the grub file, I ran the grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg and then tried rebooting
2023-07-01 09:14:06	mikey_broke_grub	and then it didn't reboot.
2023-07-01 09:14:52	mikey_broke_grub	so then I was able to delete what I added, and with your help and chroot I reran the grub-mkconfig
2023-07-01 09:15:02	mikey_broke_grub	but it still isn't booting.
2023-07-01 09:15:30	mikey_broke_grub	It's possible that there was one more step that I am forgetting but it would be in the channel history 3 hours ago
2023-07-01 09:15:31	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: i think it is because the syntax of the /etc/default/grub file was wrong 
2023-07-01 09:16:09	uuidNuniq	maybe there was a typo or missing space or something.
2023-07-01 09:16:15	mikey_broke_grub	yeah
2023-07-01 09:16:21	mikey_broke_grub	I will try to check
2023-07-01 09:16:49	uuidNuniq	you need to figure out a way to post your content of /etc/default/grub here. 
2023-07-01 09:16:59	uuidNuniq	then we'll see what to do 
2023-07-01 09:18:19	mikey_broke_grub	https://pastebin.com/jc4wQ5H5
2023-07-01 09:18:20	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/H1ss.txt
2023-07-01 09:18:21	phrik	Title: # GRUB boot loader configurationGRUB_DEFAULT=0GRUB_TIMEOUT=5GRUB_DISTRIB - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-07-01 09:18:49	mikey_broke_grub	line 7 is the one where I added and then deleted
2023-07-01 09:19:32	mikey_broke_grub	maybe should be an extra / after cryptroot.
2023-07-01 09:19:45	mikey_broke_grub	I showed what was in it originally in this channel
2023-07-01 09:20:00	mikey_broke_grub	... again .. if anyone can share a log for the last 3 hours...
2023-07-01 09:20:16	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: i have a log ..
2023-07-01 09:21:48	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: https://0x0.st/H1si.txt
2023-07-01 09:22:01	mikey_broke_grub	THANK YOU
2023-07-01 09:23:02	mikey_broke_grub	oh it got cut off. I definitely manually typed the last 'mapper/cryproot"'
2023-07-01 09:26:49	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: is this your current grub : https://pastebin.com/jc4wQ5H5 ?
2023-07-01 09:26:50	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/H1ss.txt
2023-07-01 09:26:51	phrik	Title: # GRUB boot loader configurationGRUB_DEFAULT=0GRUB_TIMEOUT=5GRUB_DISTRIB - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-07-01 09:27:29	mikey_broke_grub	Yes.
2023-07-01 09:27:31	mikey_broke_grub	thank you
2023-07-01 09:28:01	parakovsky	brothers, i have two computers running arch on a local network i am looking to use one of them, using external vpn or rather wireguard as a proxy for another that is running firefox. i understood that i need some firefox addon like foxyproxy or rather i can even use built in settings on a client end, but what should i look at on a server end, pls send wikipedia links))) everybody have a great
2023-07-01 09:28:01	parakovsky	july
2023-07-01 09:30:03	parakovsky	squid? 
2023-07-01 09:30:14	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: it looks ok 
2023-07-01 09:31:25	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: post the content of /boot/grub/grub.cfg as well. 
2023-07-01 09:32:18	mikey_broke_grub	. /boot is empty
2023-07-01 09:33:22	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: mkdir -p /mnt/boot ; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot
2023-07-01 09:33:37	uuidNuniq	you'll see it in /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg
2023-07-01 09:36:14	mikey_broke_grub	https://pastebin.com/jeLijvut
2023-07-01 09:36:15	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/H1sK.txt
2023-07-01 09:36:15	phrik	Title: ## DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE## It is automatically generated by grub-mkconfig - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-07-01 09:37:34	mikey_broke_grub	there is a chance I messed up the boot order when I was setting up this live usb. I should go rule that out.
2023-07-01 09:38:05	mikey_broke_grub	uuidNuniq brb
2023-07-01 09:38:18	mikey_broke_grub	quit
2023-07-01 09:39:06	uuidNuniq	you have 2 root= : linux /vmlinuz-linux root=/dev/mapper/luks-19393b31-61f6-48d5-9847-ac1c550df260 rw cryptdevice=UUID=19393b31-61f6-48d5-9847-ac1c550df260:cryptroot root=/dev/mapper/cryptroot
2023-07-01 09:47:57	mikey_broke_grub	that wasn't it
2023-07-01 09:48:56	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: what wasn't it 
2023-07-01 09:49:30	mikey_broke_grub	uuidNuniq would you mind pasting all the steps you gave me to setup the chroot in a 0x0.txt file so I can refer to them tomorrow?
2023-07-01 09:49:59	mikey_broke_grub	I thought maybe it was the boot order or something with trying to boot with several usb thing attached
2023-07-01 09:50:13	mikey_broke_grub	anytihng funny in that grub.cfg?
2023-07-01 09:50:30	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-07-01 09:50:47	uuidNuniq	well, the steps are just like  a basic archlinux install 
2023-07-01 09:51:02	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: as i said, you have 2 root= in grub.cfg
2023-07-01 09:51:33	mikey_broke_grub	what? I missed this
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2023-07-01 09:51:56	uuidNuniq	can you stop grub at the grub menu? keep press ESC on boot
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2023-07-01 09:52:20	mikey_broke_grub	I don't think I ever say a menu
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2023-07-01 09:52:34	uuidNuniq	ok then, you may try to edit your grub.cfg and remove this : root=/dev/mapper/luks-19393b31-61f6-48d5-9847-ac1c550df260
2023-07-01 09:52:50	uuidNuniq	do this again ? mkdir -p /mnt/boot ; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot
2023-07-01 09:52:54	uuidNuniq	and edit grub.cfg
2023-07-01 09:53:13	uuidNuniq	under `menuentry 'Arch Linux'`
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2023-07-01 09:53:33	uuidNuniq	in this line : linux /vmlinuz-linux  .....
2023-07-01 09:53:39	uuidNuniq	remove that ...
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2023-07-01 09:58:31	mikey_broke_grub	okay I am editing the file that says do not edit
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2023-07-01 09:58:46	uuidNuniq	backup it first
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2023-07-01 09:58:59	uuidNuniq	cd /mnt/boot/grub ; cp grub.cfg grub.cfg.bk
2023-07-01 09:59:03	uuidNuniq	and edit it 
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2023-07-01 09:59:51	uuidNuniq	you can revert using usb boot and mount , if things went wrong. 
2023-07-01 09:59:56	parakovsky	ok squid works fine very easy to install
2023-07-01 10:00:06	parakovsky	initally was confusing the ip addresses but it is just beer i guess)
2023-07-01 10:00:21	parakovsky	shouldve done it 6 months ago!
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2023-07-01 10:01:00	mikey_broke_grub	okay backed up. so I am only removing the root= part?
2023-07-01 10:01:18	uuidNuniq	only this : root=/dev/mapper/luks-19393b31-61f6-48d5-9847-ac1c550df260
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2023-07-01 10:01:25	uuidNuniq	not the other root-
2023-07-01 10:01:27	uuidNuniq	not the other root=
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2023-07-01 10:02:34	mikey_broke_grub	can you share the txt file of this? it's hard to read in nano
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2023-07-01 10:02:43	mikey_broke_grub	it looks like there are two spots with that
2023-07-01 10:03:26	mikey_broke_grub	menuentry and menuenttry (fallback initramfs)
2023-07-01 10:03:43	uuidNuniq	only under `menuentry 'Arch Linux'` , only in this line : linux /vmlinuz-linux
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2023-07-01 10:04:46	uuidNuniq	line 94 mikey_broke_grub 
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2023-07-01 10:04:57	mikey_broke_grub	I don't have line numbers
2023-07-01 10:05:30	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: ALT+C
2023-07-01 10:05:46	mikey_broke_grub	so now it just says "linux    /vmlinuz-linux rw cryptdevice=UUID=19...."
2023-07-01 10:05:54	uuidNuniq	yes
2023-07-01 10:05:59	uuidNuniq	save  and reboot
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2023-07-01 10:06:20	mikey_broke_grub	okay. brb
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2023-07-01 10:14:34	mikey_broke_grub	same result
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2023-07-01 10:15:43	mikey_broke_grub	Maybe I can buy a new hard drive and just start over with a fresh install. At least I should be able to get all my files off of this.
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2023-07-01 10:18:17	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: i think it is due to grub can't find it's files
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2023-07-01 10:21:20	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: boot with usb, and mount sda1 , and check if you have a `grub` dir in there with all it's files 
2023-07-01 10:21:44	mikey_broke_grub	I am on live USB right now
2023-07-01 10:22:09	uuidNuniq	mkdir -p /mnt/boot ; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot
2023-07-01 10:22:23	uuidNuniq	tree -a /mnt/boot/grub
2023-07-01 10:22:35	uuidNuniq	do you see a long list of files?
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2023-07-01 10:22:38	uuidNuniq	tree -a /mnt/boot/grub | less
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2023-07-01 10:24:33	mikey_broke_grub	tree command not found
2023-07-01 10:25:02	mikey_broke_grub	If I do it with '| less' it is just an empty page
2023-07-01 10:25:36	uuidNuniq	ls -l /mnt/boot/grub | less
2023-07-01 10:25:37	mikey_broke_grub	ls /mnt/boot/grub has 8 items
2023-07-01 10:26:00	uuidNuniq	you see x86_64-efi?
2023-07-01 10:26:08	mikey_broke_grub	yes
2023-07-01 10:26:32	uuidNuniq	ls -l /boot/grub/x86_64-efi | wc -l
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2023-07-01 10:27:55	uuidNuniq	it looks fine. 
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2023-07-01 10:28:34	uuidNuniq	you sure sda is your hard drive?
2023-07-01 10:29:39	mikey_broke_grub	yeah. sdb is the usb stick
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2023-07-01 10:30:17	uuidNuniq	ok. cp the grub.cfg.bk to grub.cfg
2023-07-01 10:30:23	uuidNuniq	revert the useless change
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2023-07-01 10:31:05	uuidNuniq	run poweroff , remove usb, power on. 
2023-07-01 10:31:21	uuidNuniq	make sure you see grub-menu?
2023-07-01 10:31:38	mikey_broke_grub	all I have ever seen is that quick little flash
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2023-07-01 10:31:50	uuidNuniq	but this time, remove usb 
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2023-07-01 10:31:55	uuidNuniq	and power on your pc
2023-07-01 10:32:12	mikey_broke_grub	okay
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2023-07-01 10:32:37	uuidNuniq	if you can , press F8? or F12? to bring up the UEFI menu? 
2023-07-01 10:32:52	uuidNuniq	choose the right boot item?
2023-07-01 10:32:58	mikey_broke_grub	yeah F12
2023-07-01 10:33:32	uuidNuniq	how many items do you see? 
2023-07-01 10:33:36	mikey_broke_grub	let me see if I can get IRC going on my phone
2023-07-01 10:33:44	mikey_broke_grub	there are 4 choices
2023-07-01 10:33:51	mikey_broke_grub	GRUB is one of them
2023-07-01 10:34:03	uuidNuniq	try each one of them in turn ...
2023-07-01 10:34:06	mikey_broke_grub	ATA something something HDD is another
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2023-07-01 10:42:04	mikey_broke_grub	Okay I have irc on phone
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2023-07-01 10:43:22	mikey_broke_grub	Now there are only three options with usb unplugged
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2023-07-01 10:44:53	mikey_broke_grub	First option grub did not work
2023-07-01 10:46:39	mikey_broke_grub	Second option ata hdd0 Samsung ssd 850 evo 500gb immediately returns to selection screen
2023-07-01 10:47:14	mikey_broke_grub	The grub option too a minute and returned to the bios settings
2023-07-01 10:48:01	mikey_broke_grub	Third option pci lan also returns to selection
2023-07-01 10:48:15	archdemon	well thats if you are booting from the network so 
2023-07-01 10:48:20	archdemon	no need to try that
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2023-07-01 10:49:31	mikey_broke_grub	I am going to run the Lenovo diagnostics extended test
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2023-07-01 10:49:54	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: maybe you got to run grub-install inside a chroot
2023-07-01 10:51:18	uuidNuniq	that is, reinstall to your UEFI boot menu
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2023-07-01 10:52:39	mikey_broke_grub	Okay I will try that as a final prayer
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2023-07-01 10:54:06	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: there is a quick way. 
2023-07-01 10:54:35	uuidNuniq	you may want to try. 
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2023-07-01 10:54:52	mikey_broke_grub	Okay I am booting the live usb now
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2023-07-01 10:56:24	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: mkdir -p /mnt/boot ; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot
2023-07-01 10:56:30	uuidNuniq	cd /mnt/boot
2023-07-01 10:57:09	uuidNuniq	cp ./grub/x86_64-efi/core.efi ./EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI
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2023-07-01 11:06:02	mikey_broke_grub	There is a EFI/GRUB/grubx64.efi
2023-07-01 11:06:31	mikey_broke_grub	Should I copy over that?
2023-07-01 11:06:49	uuidNuniq	no
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2023-07-01 11:07:10	uuidNuniq	mkdir -p /mnt/boot/EFI/BOOT
2023-07-01 11:07:27	uuidNuniq	cp /mnt/boot/grub/x86_64-efi/core.efi /mnt/boot/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI
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2023-07-01 11:08:07	uuidNuniq	and then reboot, but this time, you choose "Second option ata hdd0 Samsung ssd 850 evo 500gb"
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2023-07-01 11:11:19	mikey_broke_grub	It just returns back to bios page
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2023-07-01 11:13:13	mikey_broke_grub	Thank you very much for all the help
2023-07-01 11:13:21	uuidNuniq	that's is weird
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2023-07-01 11:13:52	MrElendig	secureboot?
2023-07-01 11:14:28	Edu4rdSHL	It's just a double whisky missing
2023-07-01 11:14:46	Edu4rdSHL	And then all yor probelsm are solved
2023-07-01 11:14:51	Edu4rdSHL	problems+
2023-07-01 11:16:01	mikey_broke_grub	Secure boot is disabled
2023-07-01 11:17:07	uuidNuniq	your sda1 is a fat32 partition, if grub menu does not show, that's because grub.cfg is broken.
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2023-07-01 11:19:19	mikey_broke_grub	Sun is coming up. Going to pass out for a bit. Probably going to give up on revival and switch to recovery tomorrow
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2023-07-01 11:20:44	uuidNuniq	mikey_broke_grub: backup  and backup before trying stuff. 
2023-07-01 11:20:54	uuidNuniq	it is a very important step
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2023-07-01 11:21:14	MrElendig	even with no grub.cfg you should get a grub message on thes creen
2023-07-01 11:21:15	uuidNuniq	like if you edit /etc/default/grub, backup it first. 
2023-07-01 11:21:20	MrElendig	screen*
2023-07-01 11:21:29	uuidNuniq	if you mk-config -o .... backup that grub.cfg first 
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2023-07-01 11:22:37	mikey_broke_grub	Okay
2023-07-01 11:22:55	uuidNuniq	mabye check your UEFI settings? 
2023-07-01 11:23:06	uuidNuniq	disable stuff like CSM or something? 
2023-07-01 11:23:19	uuidNuniq	what year is your hardware? 
2023-07-01 11:23:40	mikey_broke_grub	16 I think
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2023-07-01 11:24:29	uuidNuniq	find something like CSM or Windows 7 disable them 
2023-07-01 11:24:44	uuidNuniq	enable stuff like "Windows 8" "Windows 10" 
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2023-07-01 11:25:02	uuidNuniq	that is to say, disable the compatible mode, enable PURE UEFI
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2023-07-01 12:03:22	ishitatsuyuki	any idea if it's possible to make a linux-debug package with debug files in /usr/lib/debug/boot?
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2023-07-01 12:11:26	genericum	https://dpaste.com/DEK33HDEB  this didnt excactly start writing on sda6 instead of the old root partition. but why ? do I have to chroot ? 
2023-07-01 12:11:29	phrik	Title: dpaste: DEK33HDEB (at dpaste.com)
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2023-07-01 23:09:43	enoq	hm, I suppose it's not bad in replacing AUR binary/electron apps
2023-07-02 00:00:35	donught	some of my packages like flameshot broke with the new qt5 update. what are all the packages i have to rollback to fix it?
2023-07-02 00:02:01	MrElendig	broke how?
2023-07-02 00:02:21	donught	huh, weird. it fixed itself lol
2023-07-02 00:02:27	MrElendig	usually the fix is to update everything, not downgrade
2023-07-02 00:02:36	donught	i think it may be because i rebuilt qt5-styleplugins
2023-07-02 00:02:58	donught	but, i thought that just fixed the look of dolphin etc. flameshot was not even launching before
2023-07-02 00:03:13	MrElendig	when you use aur stuff, you have to update/rebuild them yourself
2023-07-02 00:03:41	MrElendig	and yea styleplugin can cause qt apps to not start too
2023-07-02 00:07:47	donught	can i add styleplugin as a hook on qt5-base?
2023-07-02 00:08:08	donught	i use yay
2023-07-02 00:09:55	MrElendig	sure you can write a pacman hook that rebuilds it every time you update qt5-base
2023-07-02 00:11:20	donught	hmm, pacman can rebuild aur packages? or would I run some yay command as the hook?
2023-07-02 00:12:20	MrElendig	a pacman hook is just a bash script, you can do anything you want in it
2023-07-02 00:12:48	MrElendig	if its a good idea is another matter :p
2023-07-02 00:15:17	donught	well i found this, and can probablly combine it with some yay flags
2023-07-02 00:15:17	donught	https://github.com/maximbaz/rebuild-detector
2023-07-02 00:17:05	susi	that's also in extra
2023-07-02 00:17:22	susi	yay does not automatically handle this if pkgrel's bumped?
2023-07-02 00:18:34	donught	yay didnt upgrade qt5-styleplugins, and while installing with -S i also had to expicitally tell it to delete the cache and rebuild the package from scratch
2023-07-02 01:08:10	pulec	when using saltstack - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Saltstack, I gotta run all salt commands as root, what is the sanest/healtiest way to allow it for user, some polkit rule or just sudo no passwd for /usr/bin/salt ?
2023-07-02 01:08:39	Idriss[m]	Hi everyone, when downgrading a package through pacman -u, do any other packages get downgraded and not listed?
2023-07-02 01:09:11	yitz	Idriss[m]: I don't think Arch maintains version dependencies
2023-07-02 01:09:17	brocellous	-U only affects the packages you list.
2023-07-02 01:09:51	brocellous	pacman supports versioned deps, but they are rarely used in arch repos, so yeah.
2023-07-02 01:11:39	Idriss[m]	wiki is kinda vague, it says "Dependency changes will be handled"
2023-07-02 01:13:09	Namarrgon	pacman will respect the dependencies that are declared
2023-07-02 01:13:23	Namarrgon	if it can't resolve the deps then it will bail
2023-07-02 01:15:04	Idriss[m]	so as i understand it, it will not try to do anything implicitly, correct?
2023-07-02 01:15:35	yitz	It's really good at showing you what it will do before doing it
2023-07-02 01:15:41	brocellous	it'll tell you the full transaction before you confirm
2023-07-02 01:16:17	Namarrgon	it will try to but since arch doesn't keep old packages in the repos and in general doesn't version dependencies it will probably not do what you want it to do
2023-07-02 01:16:44	Idriss[m]	ok, thanks for clarifying that
2023-07-02 01:18:36	Idriss[m]	reason i ask is, i faced a problem in gimp, selection doesn't work (borders aren't showing), and i figured that downgrading libx11 to 1.8.4 fixes the problem, but there isn't any code change between 1.8.4 and 1.8.5 so i thought pacman downgraded something else
2023-07-02 01:18:38	yitz	The local cache usually has the prior package version or three which allows rollbacks
2023-07-02 01:19:39	Idriss[m]	if anyone can please try to use selection in gimp to check if it's working (with a libx11 more recent than 1.8.4)
2023-07-02 01:20:52	brocellous	no code change? there's like 20 commits?
2023-07-02 01:24:19	Idriss[m]	could you please point me to a link
2023-07-02 01:24:26	Namarrgon	https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/lib/libx11/-/commits/libX11-1.8.5/
2023-07-02 01:24:28	phrik	Title: Commits · libX11-1.8.5 · xorg / lib / libX11 · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2023-07-02 01:25:23	Idriss[m]	thanks Namarrgon 
2023-07-02 01:26:06	Idriss[m]	yes all of those contain no code change (no source .c/.h files were touched)
2023-07-02 02:18:41	Pikk3wyn	bluetooth totally unusable and disconnects upon upgrade to bluez-5.67-1, downgrading to  bluez-5.66-1 fixed it
2023-07-02 02:18:56	Pikk3wyn	a few people were having the issue so thought i would mention 
2023-07-02 02:39:42	brocellous	...or you could upgrade to 5.68
2023-07-02 03:23:31	susi	must have been this:  Fix issue with A2DP and handling of Transport.Acquire. 
2023-07-02 04:11:07	brocellous	Downgrading is for cowards. Upgrade or die.
2023-07-02 04:37:29	⚡ 	alad downgrades brocellous to 0.1
2023-07-02 05:03:50	⚡ 	brocellous dies
2023-07-02 05:04:24	susi	back to the womb
2023-07-02 05:48:04	predicament	bluez and bluez-libs seemingly fixed with 5.68, just reporting that my previous complaint is now solved as far as I can tell
2023-07-02 06:44:27	wwwww	so i deleted a package with pacman, and I expected not to be able to launch it anymore from wofi. But weirdly enough, not only is there still an entry for it in wofi, it still runs!? I've checked /usr/bin and the binary is *not* there. How the hell is this running when it's not installed? 
2023-07-02 06:49:26	wwwww	nvm figured it out, rogue desktop file
2023-07-02 06:50:05	Edu4rdSHL	That doesn't explain how it still runs if was supposedly uninstalled
2023-07-02 06:52:09	wwwww	Edu4rdSHL: yep, the desktop file was referencing a different, manually downloaded appimage 
2023-07-02 06:52:10	wwwww	what a mess
2023-07-02 06:52:48	Edu4rdSHL	k
2023-07-02 08:35:42	genericum	is there a way to upgrade one packet plus all the dependencies I dont have enough space for -Su yet 
2023-07-02 08:37:34	sheep	try clearing out the old packages from the cache first
2023-07-02 08:37:43	genericum	sheep: did that already
2023-07-02 08:37:48	genericum	-Sc 
2023-07-02 08:38:28	sheep	try -Scc. I think -Sc only removes packages that are no longer installed
2023-07-02 08:39:08	genericum	nothing changed
2023-07-02 08:40:04	genericum	i want to upgrade systemd ... but then systemd needs systemd-libs can I do that without typing both ? 
2023-07-02 08:40:08	sheep	what you are trying to do is a partial upgrade, which we don't support because it's extremely likely to break your system https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/system_maintenance#Partial_upgrades_are_unsupported
2023-07-02 08:40:09	phrik	Title: System maintenance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-02 08:40:27	genericum	sheep: well its broken already ...
2023-07-02 08:40:49	genericum	i have no more browser 
2023-07-02 08:41:56	sheep	you could try pacman -Sy systemd systemd-libs, but you do need to specify every dependency and also include other packages that need to be upgraded to prevent things from breaking. -Su does that for you
2023-07-02 08:46:28	genericum	maybe i can just copy parts of the list that -Su spits out 
2023-07-02 08:46:55	genericum	however why do things get so much bigger :<
2023-07-02 08:54:45	BrainDamage	how much space overall does the drive has?
2023-07-02 08:56:17	genericum	43 gig
2023-07-02 08:56:40	MrElendig	just for / or does it include $HOME too?
2023-07-02 08:56:54	genericum	all things combined
2023-07-02 08:57:15	BrainDamage	that should be plenty for anything, just move something away temporarily, like eg on a cloud file hosting
2023-07-02 08:57:45	BrainDamage	also, try ncdu -x / to see what uses most space, you might find some cache dirs hidden that way
2023-07-02 08:59:48	genericum	usually using baobab for that matter however icu broke that one too
2023-07-02 09:01:21	MrElendig	not plenty when /home is in there too, that's like 0.2 games
2023-07-02 09:02:09	genericum	my home is 23 gigs 
2023-07-02 09:04:07	genericum	ok found something i can get rid of
2023-07-02 09:04:22	MrElendig	check /var/logs too
2023-07-02 09:04:44	genericum	however you cant just copy the list without deleting version numbers :(
2023-07-02 09:07:37	genericum	where can I set the locations for pacman downloads ?
2023-07-02 09:07:55	genericum	they can go on a different partition 
2023-07-02 09:08:52	genericum	DBpath enough ?
2023-07-02 09:09:31	genericum	or cachedir too ?
2023-07-02 09:10:26	archdemon	time for sleep
2023-07-02 09:10:32	archdemon	!goodnight
2023-07-02 09:10:32	phrik	Goodnight to all from archdemon
2023-07-02 09:11:53	genericum	ok dbpath would be a bad idea i guess 
2023-07-02 09:15:04	genericum	so sad i didnt get scilab-bin to work correctly needs lots of space 
2023-07-02 09:35:59	genericum	is there a way to at least show the dependencies for one package ?
2023-07-02 09:41:33	akik	genericum: pacman -R --confirm package shows some deps
2023-07-02 09:44:15	akik	genericum: pacman -Qi package
2023-07-02 09:50:32	genericum	thx
2023-07-02 09:51:26	genericum	now all I need to do is scan for ­newlines and remove the ugly numbers :)
2023-07-02 09:51:44	voxel_bd	hullo. im getting segfaults on anything built against allegro (allegro5), using either the official package via pacman or when building allegro from source. can anyone suggest how i might identify the root cause?
2023-07-02 09:54:35	genericum	voxel_bd: can you dpaste the errors ?
2023-07-02 09:55:59	genericum	voxel_bd: something like gcc main.c -lallegro and that program fails _
2023-07-02 09:56:01	genericum	?
2023-07-02 09:56:09	voxel_bd	genericum: literally just "Segmentation fault (core dumped)" 
2023-07-02 09:56:44	voxel_bd	genericum: yes, i can compile OK, but running the programs (including the official allegro examples) fail with segfault and no other visible output (expected a window to be opened and some graphics to display)
2023-07-02 09:57:00	MrElendig	looking at the dump might give a hint, also make sure your system is fully up to date
2023-07-02 10:00:33	voxel_bd	MrElendig, genericum, here's the output of coredumpctl info for a failing program https://dpaste.org/Wiiro
2023-07-02 10:00:35	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/H1X2.txt
2023-07-02 10:00:36	phrik	Title: dpaste/Wiiro (Plain Text) (at dpaste.org)
2023-07-02 10:01:03	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-07-02 10:01:46	MrElendig	full dump is probably a bit more than that
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2023-07-02 10:04:31	MrElendig	also, what gfx card and driver is this?
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2023-07-02 10:05:35	voxel_bd	there's an nvidia 1080 using the nvidia driver, and also an intel integrated gpu is present and in use for a seperate X screen
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2023-07-02 10:07:51	MrElendig	could be something there if that really was the complete stacktrace
2023-07-02 10:08:16	MrElendig	see if it runs in a vm
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2023-07-02 10:15:30	voxel_bd	MrElendig: I know the program (and allegro) work elsewhere, I have no idea how to proceed on making it work *here* though
2023-07-02 10:16:12	MrElendig	I bet its related to your nvidia/intel setup
2023-07-02 10:16:30	MrElendig	you could try to only use either one of the gpus and see if that helps
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2023-07-02 10:18:01	voxel_bd	yeah, it is. i just rebooted and disabled the integrated gpu and now the program and allegro is working OK
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2023-07-02 10:18:33	MrElendig	#0  0x00007f1341b8dd15 _al_xsys_xrandr_init (liballegro.so.5.2 + 0xadd15)  was a big hint
2023-07-02 10:19:17	voxel_bd	i can't imagine anyone on the allegro team is going to want to help make this obscure corner case setup work
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2023-07-02 10:19:40	MrElendig	I would check their bugtracker as a start
2023-07-02 10:20:08	voxel_bd	thanks for your advice MrElendig, I can at least get the work done I need with this tool for now
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2023-07-02 10:21:40	MrElendig	should check if there is more to the coredump too though
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2023-07-02 10:22:23	voxel_bd	im not sure how to examine it in more detail beyond building liballegro in debug and using gdb to step through it
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2023-07-02 10:33:44	MrElendig	coredumpctl lets you view the entire dump
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2023-07-02 10:34:19	MrElendig	also see debuginfod on the wiki
2023-07-02 10:34:42	MrElendig	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debugging/Getting_traces#Debuginfod
2023-07-02 10:34:43	phrik	Title: Debugging/Getting traces - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-02 10:34:53	MrElendig	not full coverage yet, but its improving
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2023-07-02 10:38:05	voxel_bd	I've tried this and didn't get anything beyond what I pasted previously
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2023-07-02 10:50:21	Ingar	I might have found a solution to my sound issue. Haleluja!
2023-07-02 10:50:24	demonicmaniac1	voxel_bd: allegro as in liballeg game library? they are active here on libera in the channel the devs are very friendly
2023-07-02 10:50:33	Ingar	(I hope I didn't jinx it now)
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2023-07-02 10:51:15	Ingar	options snd-usb-audio index=0 ; options snd-hda-intel index=2,1
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2023-07-02 10:53:53	demonicmaniac1	voxel_bd: they're in #allegro if you want to put your stacktrace there
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2023-07-02 10:57:54	demonicmaniac1	voxel_bd: sounds to me like the main solution would be if allegro let you set the default adapter or gl provider instead of querying for available and crashing with multiple
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2023-07-02 11:00:02	voxel_bd	thanks demonicmaniac1 i might try that
2023-07-02 11:00:30	voxel_bd	consulting the gurus in #allegro, i mean. I came here first because I thought it was probably just misconfiguration on my part
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2023-07-02 11:07:46	Ennea	is it possible to unplug and re-plug a usb device via software?
2023-07-02 11:09:51	voxel_bd	Ennea: i've used this or something very similar in the past to do that https://github.com/jkulesza/usbreset
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2023-07-02 11:12:30	Ennea	hm. should've been more specific. i'm looking for a way for udev to.. do its magic for a specific device again, even though it's still plugged in :)
2023-07-02 11:12:44	Ennea	the device itself is operating just fine, i basically want a repeat of the operating system side of things
2023-07-02 11:13:52	voxel_bd	although usbreset is probably overkill for that, it might achieve it 
2023-07-02 11:14:08	Ennea	i tried, it doesn't appear to
2023-07-02 11:14:24	Ennea	(assuming that usbreset from the usbutils package is the same as the one you linked)
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2023-07-02 11:25:46	ugubok	Hey, I lost important picture with banner "I USE ARCH BTW" with clouds on background. Im excited that I can't google it anymore. If you have it could you please send it to me?
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2023-07-02 11:27:01	ursa	ugubok: https://termbin.com/xs14
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2023-07-02 11:32:56	ugubok	ursa: This is serious!
2023-07-02 11:33:41	Gnana	Ha
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2023-07-02 11:34:27	ugubok	It's strange, I remember year ago it can be googled within seconds, now it's gone
2023-07-02 11:34:33	ursa	It's a thinking cloud
2023-07-02 11:34:58	ugubok	It was historic and canonical picture
2023-07-02 11:35:02	ursa	ask an AI to generate it for you
2023-07-02 11:35:09	ugubok	Where it is? Someone BAN it?
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2023-07-02 11:36:00	Ingar	you didn't make no backups ?
2023-07-02 11:36:02	Ingar	tssk tssk
2023-07-02 11:36:40	Gnana	https://gist.github.com/Mustaavalkosta/c1b0a6e6397a07dfe012
2023-07-02 11:37:00	astralc	if it is 'canonical picture' maybe you should ask in ubuntu? 🥁
2023-07-02 11:37:23	Gnana	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ASCII_art
2023-07-02 11:37:25	phrik	Title: ASCII art - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-02 11:37:40	ugubok	No no, it was real photo of big billboard with "BTW I USE ARCH" 
2023-07-02 11:38:22	ugubok	I found one with "So I bough this billboard" but my image was without that words
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2023-07-02 11:39:05	ugubok	Found it! I need to use "billboard" word, not a "banner"
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2023-07-02 11:39:42	ursa	well give us the link then, we're waiting
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2023-07-02 11:40:56	ugubok	https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQVnoQIwX1KLzRUPgqUb-mbf0kA6zMeW5mNitKatA-HNFM_62Mr8J92JYtnUcKvvrHlJHA&usqp=CAU
2023-07-02 11:41:13	ugubok	Need to find bigger resolution
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2023-07-02 11:41:53	ℹ 	pescepalla1 es conocido ahora como pescepalla
2023-07-02 11:41:55	ursa	for that, you can really ask an AI to generate the image for you
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2023-07-02 11:50:32	ugubok	AI is overrated
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2023-07-02 12:20:08	teraflops	ugubok: https://paste.priet.us/n5XR.png :D
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2023-07-06 12:32:19	bf_	Foxboron: what side effects can "systemctl restart app.service" have if the app.service file is only editable by root?
2023-07-06 12:32:32	Foxboron	None, which is what I was pointing out from the start
2023-07-06 12:34:10	bf_	ok so you say I should ditch the root-installed app.service but go with systemd --user enable app.service while setting loginctl enable-linger $user to make sure $user always has systemd user "session" running
2023-07-06 12:36:19	Foxboron	It's a lot easier
2023-07-06 12:38:52	bf_	"Failed to connect to bus: No medium found"
2023-07-06 12:39:56	bf_	do I need to install dbus or is there something wrong with using su - user to switch to that user?
2023-07-06 12:41:06	MrElendig	you have dbus
2023-07-06 12:41:11	bf_	it seems to need a proper ssh shell
2023-07-06 12:41:19	bf_	weird that it doesnt work with su - user
2023-07-06 12:41:37	MrElendig	the session buss address might not be set correctly though
2023-07-06 12:42:24	MrElendig	check printenv
2023-07-06 12:42:51	BrainDamage	if you're running systemctl directly from ssh, you need to pass -t to ssh
2023-07-06 12:43:02	MrElendig	DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS specifically
2023-07-06 12:43:38	BrainDamage	because otherwise, they won't be able to prompt you for the password
2023-07-06 12:43:46	BrainDamage	they being su, sudo, or polkit
2023-07-06 12:44:25	MrElendig	if you didn't have dbus installed, systemd wouldn't work at all
2023-07-06 12:44:41	bf_	yes dbus must be there because it works over ssh user@host
2023-07-06 12:44:50	bf_	but the root@host with su - user does not have the systemd --user
2023-07-06 12:45:33	MrElendig	because you don't get a "full" session when you su -
2023-07-06 12:45:48	MrElendig	out of the box
2023-07-06 12:51:33	grawity	apps shouldn't be user services, but if you really want, then `loginctl enable-linger $user`
2023-07-06 12:52:27	YHNdnzj[moz]	<bf_> "weird that it doesnt work with..." <- You need to have user dbus and systemd instance running
2023-07-06 12:53:20	rainbowtux	Foxboron: thanks, work distracted me a bit :) NUCs seem nice indeed and with i5 and 16G i should be able to run quite a bit on there
2023-07-06 12:54:25	Foxboron	rainbowtux: Get 32 GB and a nice 1 TB NVMe
2023-07-06 12:54:39	Foxboron	They are quite nice devices to run misc stuff on
2023-07-06 12:54:50	YHNdnzj[moz]	<bf_> "yes dbus must be there because..." <- You don't need ssh for this if you're on the same host: use machinectl shell user@.host (where .host is a literal)
2023-07-06 12:55:33	grawity	the new NUCs seemed to have lost the point of being an inexpensive and low-power thing, so I got a dell 3050 as my home server
2023-07-06 12:55:33	YHNdnzj[moz]	Foxboron: BTW I've resumed working on the arch-install-scripts patch :D
2023-07-06 12:55:39	Foxboron	YHNdnzj[moz]: :O
2023-07-06 12:55:46	Foxboron	YHNdnzj[moz]: Bro, I'm on vacation until August :p
2023-07-06 12:55:53	Foxboron	gotta work on my slight burn out
2023-07-06 12:56:17	grawity	apparently "dell micro" and "lenovo tiny" use the exact same form factor
2023-07-06 12:56:20	BrainDamage	skin burn out or emotional burn out?
2023-07-06 12:57:12	MrElendig	grawity: hp are pretty close too
2023-07-06 12:57:22	Foxboron	the ASUS ones are nice if you want an AMD cpu
2023-07-06 12:57:26	YHNdnzj[moz]	Foxboron: Just want to inform that I haven't abandoned it 😆 Enjoy your vacation :)
2023-07-06 12:57:26	MrElendig	usually a bit flatter
2023-07-06 12:57:34	Foxboron	YHNdnzj[moz]: No worries :) thanks for the headsup
2023-07-06 12:57:55	Foxboron	grawity: my NUC was free :p from 2016
2023-07-06 12:57:56	grawity	MrElendig: hmm haven't seen any hp
2023-07-06 12:57:57	Foxboron	so quite nice
2023-07-06 12:58:04	Foxboron	Totes going to dumpster dive at new work place
2023-07-06 12:58:13	jelle	also nuc's lack sata sadly
2023-07-06 12:58:28	Foxboron	jelle: Mm do you need sata with an M2 slot?
2023-07-06 12:58:37	MrElendig	grawity: pro mini g9 etc
2023-07-06 12:58:41	jelle	Foxboron: I want more then 1 disk :)
2023-07-06 12:59:22	jelle	there are nvme's nas systems which seems fun
2023-07-06 13:01:09	Earnestly	MrElendig: Ended up with dell for this as it was rated at (much iirc) lower power usage compared to hp
2023-07-06 13:01:42	Earnestly	The newer hp ones seem to be roughly the same now though
2023-07-06 13:02:20	MrElendig	new g9 looks really nice, pretty silent and can do 10gb nick
2023-07-06 13:02:32	MrElendig	and the onboard got upgraded to 2.5
2023-07-06 13:03:28	Earnestly	Claimed idle at 5W which is quite impressive
2023-07-06 13:03:41	jelle	I'd love 5W idle :o
2023-07-06 13:04:12	Earnestly	> https://www.servethehome.com/hp-elite-mini-600-g9-review-an-updated-hp-returns-to-project-tinyminimicro-intel/3/
2023-07-06 13:04:16	phrik	Title: HP Elite Mini 600 G9 Review an Updated HP Returns to Project TinyMiniMicro - Page 3 of 3 (at www.servethehome.com)
2023-07-06 13:04:17	grawity	iirc the 3050 micro measured around 5-7W as well... before I installed the additional SATA SSD, at least
2023-07-06 13:04:25	bf_	".service is added as a dependency to a non-existent unit multi-user.target."
2023-07-06 13:04:36	bf_	haha I want to use the "crying laughing" smiley now
2023-07-06 13:04:40	grawity	bf_: user units do not have multi-user.target
2023-07-06 13:04:52	grawity	default.target is the closest equivalent
2023-07-06 13:05:01	bf_	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/systemd/User - ctrl+f "multi-user" - 0 finds
2023-07-06 13:05:03	phrik	Title: systemd/User - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-06 13:05:07	grawity	don't think of user services as "services except they have User= implied"
2023-07-06 13:05:14	grawity	they're a completely separate world
2023-07-06 13:05:41	bf_	so in 1 minute will I realized that postgresql.service is not "visible" for user units?
2023-07-06 13:05:57	grawity	nothing from the system manager is visible to user units
2023-07-06 13:06:15	grawity	don't run your webapps from user units
2023-07-06 13:06:42	bf_	are you 100% sure? because Foxboron said otherwise and also systemctl status postgresql works from normal user
2023-07-06 13:06:54	grawity	because it's querying the system manager, not the user manager
2023-07-06 13:07:08	grawity	running it as normal user doesn't automatically make it work with user units
2023-07-06 13:07:13	grawity	the --user option does that
2023-07-06 13:07:27	bf_	😂 I'm such a clown
2023-07-06 13:07:27	grawity	compare `systemctl -t service` and `systemctl --user -t service`
2023-07-06 13:07:28	Foxboron	bf_: I said you where expecting a priviledge boundary where nonexists. And if that is your concern user services works. What you are deploying and that it requires dependencies wasnt mentioned
2023-07-06 13:08:09	bf_	"Also it was unclear for me if the systemd user services still can have Requires=postgresql.service nginx.service and it works" 12:21:35
2023-07-06 13:08:12	bf_	but you might've missed it np
2023-07-06 13:08:21	Foxboron	I didn't see that
2023-07-06 13:09:26	bf_	given this info, systemd should *really* complain about privilege escalation via file permissions of "systemd enable /home/user/localfile"
2023-07-06 13:09:35	bf_	there's no other way to do it 
2023-07-06 13:10:38	bf_	postgresql just hard copies it's file to /usr/lib/systemd/system/postgresql.service
2023-07-06 13:11:14	jelle	bf_: howso, it's a valid thing to do as root
2023-07-06 13:11:20	MrElendig	why should it warn about that particular footgun?
2023-07-06 13:11:25	grawity	all packages install files to /usr/lib/systemd, not just postgres
2023-07-06 13:11:34	grawity	that's literally the standard place for system packages to install services
2023-07-06 13:15:05	MrElendig	bf_: systemd.unit -> UNIT FILE LOAD PATH
2023-07-06 13:17:04	bf_	MrElendig: what do you mean with this? :)
2023-07-06 13:17:44	bf_	I'll file a bug with systemd. The systemd enable PATH should really complain about non-root permissions of PATH due to privilege escalation
2023-07-06 13:18:06	MrElendig	bf_: it explains the paths systemd looks for unit files in
2023-07-06 13:26:30	MrElendig	bf_: I would call it expected/intended behaviour
2023-07-06 13:26:34	bf_	so basically I'll now cp /home/user/app.service /root; systemctl enable --now /root/app.service; and modify /etc/sudoers to allow systemctl restart app.service as $user
2023-07-06 13:26:56	MrElendig	bf_: you can use polkit instead of sudo
2023-07-06 13:27:09	MrElendig	bf_: also that makes no sense
2023-07-06 13:27:23	MrElendig	you want /etc, not /root
2023-07-06 13:27:39	bf_	I don't want my app to spill over in /etc or /usr
2023-07-06 13:27:52	MrElendig	or really, just use a user service
2023-07-06 13:28:05	bf_	MrElendig: ... user units don't have the Depends=postgresql.service
2023-07-06 13:28:28	MrElendig	can be worked around
2023-07-06 13:29:01	bf_	please, how? if systemd does not support it natively
2023-07-06 13:29:27	MrElendig	you can e.g. use a pidfile, or a query to postgres
2023-07-06 13:29:42	bf_	oh come on, that's not why we have systemd :)
2023-07-06 13:29:55	jelle	no this is why we have containers :p
2023-07-06 13:30:31	MrElendig	having a user service that monitors postgres is a sensible solution
2023-07-06 13:30:32	bf_	jelle: tried to do that, but if your webapp is in a docker container it is really hard to access the host system postgresql
2023-07-06 13:30:48	MrElendig	bf_: you run postgres in a container too
2023-07-06 13:30:59	MrElendig	bf_: or just connect over network, not that hard
2023-07-06 13:31:01	bf_	have fun scaling and updating that one :)
2023-07-06 13:31:10	MrElendig	or share the socket with the container, also not that hard
2023-07-06 13:31:22	jelle	is this production or development?
2023-07-06 13:31:27	MrElendig	bf_: it scales good enough for the giant cloud providers
2023-07-06 13:32:25	bf_	jelle: it's my prod deployment. it's nuxt3 webapp which promises a built tarball that just needs to be launched with node of a certain version. so the prod server only has postgresql installed + nvm + the compiled tarball from the repo
2023-07-06 13:32:39	jelle	if this is production just use the system postgresql
2023-07-06 13:33:04	bf_	I do. docker postgresql has it's place but this certain project doesn't need the overhead
2023-07-06 13:34:02	jelle	so your problem is in reality that you want your system started docker container to wait till the system postgresql is complete?
2023-07-06 13:34:47	Gnana	it hanged here ?????? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/gmk659X8/irccloudcapture7912071047919832564.jpg
2023-07-06 13:34:51	bf_	no, the nuxt3 webapp is in a systemd service, and that service depends on postgresql and nginx
2023-07-06 13:35:13	jelle	bf_: but it's a user systemd service?
2023-07-06 13:35:55	bf_	jelle: no, it's not a user service, we tried that before (see chatlog last hour haha) but systemd user service does not see the postgresql systemd service, and therefore the Depends=postgresql in the unti file doesnt work
2023-07-06 13:36:27	jelle	right, so just put it in /etc/systemd/system/shittwebapp.service and it will all work
2023-07-06 13:36:35	bf_	jelle: agreed
2023-07-06 13:36:52	MrElendig	bf_: but when I said that you didn't want to :/
2023-07-06 13:37:14	bf_	I mean I put it into /root/app.service and did systemctl enable --now /root/app.service ;) but it's the same concept
2023-07-06 13:37:48	bf_	move the world-writable systemd service file to somewhere that only root has access to, and *then* do the systemctl enable ./path
2023-07-06 13:38:28	Gnana	Hello??
2023-07-06 13:38:56	bf_	Gnana: you need to give more info before you can get a reply
2023-07-06 13:39:10	HumanLove	rebooted this it worked. dont' know when kernel updates and it hangs i have to get archlinux bootable usb
2023-07-06 13:39:22	HumanLove	im Gnana is HumanLove 
2023-07-06 13:39:38	HumanLove	do you guys have solution?
2023-07-06 13:40:33	jelle	HumanLove: don't reboot when you are still running pacman
2023-07-06 13:40:39	bf_	HumanLove: sorry I can't help you with that one. Try to give more infos and pictures and logs
2023-07-06 13:40:59	HumanLove	which you want bf_ 
2023-07-06 13:41:08	HumanLove	jelle: it hanged there is run to even tty
2023-07-06 13:41:30	jelle	HumanLove: the whole system is unresponsive?
2023-07-06 13:41:35	HumanLove	yes
2023-07-06 13:41:35	jelle	hard disk?
2023-07-06 13:41:45	HumanLove	yes unreponsive
2023-07-06 13:41:45	jelle	how long did you wait?
2023-07-06 13:41:53	HumanLove	5 min i think
2023-07-06 13:42:04	HumanLove	yes 5 min
2023-07-06 13:42:23	jelle	you can only upload the last journal
2023-07-06 13:42:48	HumanLove	yes wait.
2023-07-06 13:43:58	HumanLove	https://termbin.com/v7z1
2023-07-06 13:44:01	HumanLove	jelle: ^
2023-07-06 13:44:22	HumanLove	i have used jour
2023-07-06 13:44:35	jelle	don't see anything special
2023-07-06 13:44:44	HumanLove	command i have runed get journalctl only
2023-07-06 13:44:56	HumanLove	hmm, what else you need to fix this problem?
2023-07-06 13:46:16	Namarrgon	is that only the user journal?
2023-07-06 13:47:21	HumanLove	ArchLinux dbus-daemon[651]: [system] Activation via systemd failed for unit 'dbus-org.freedesktop.home1.service': Unit dbus-org.freedesktop.home1.service not found.
2023-07-06 13:47:23	low-key	weechat 4.0.1-1 user here, all of a sudden i'm not able to accept any xdcc requests
2023-07-06 13:47:24	HumanLove	Namarrgon: ??
2023-07-06 13:47:28	low-key	or do anything at all with them
2023-07-06 13:47:32	jelle	HumanLove: you need to provide the journal of the previous boot
2023-07-06 13:47:35	Namarrgon	post the system journal
2023-07-06 13:47:43	low-key	any key i enter and hit enter just gets cleared and then nothing happens
2023-07-06 13:47:54	Namarrgon	udev messages won't be logged to the --user journal, run journalctl as root
2023-07-06 13:50:14	HumanLove	wait
2023-07-06 13:51:55	HumanLove	file to too big upload
2023-07-06 13:52:29	HumanLove	here the last logs http://pastie.org/p/0rrNAXaBBvuF7kikpE17KX
2023-07-06 13:52:30	phrik	Title: Pastie (at pastie.org)
2023-07-06 13:52:52	jelle	that is your current boot
2023-07-06 13:53:53	Namarrgon	"-b -1" for the previous session, -2 for the one before that
2023-07-06 13:55:46	HumanLove	https://termbin.com/r964 https://termbin.com/0fatd
2023-07-06 13:56:00	HumanLove	Namarrgon: ^
2023-07-06 13:57:28	Namarrgon	which one is the one that hung during the update?
2023-07-06 13:57:47	HumanLove	prev one
2023-07-06 13:57:52	HumanLove	first one
2023-07-06 13:57:56	HumanLove	-b -1
2023-07-06 13:58:09	Namarrgon	r964?
2023-07-06 13:58:38	HumanLove	yes
2023-07-06 13:58:51	Namarrgon	what did you do when it hung?
2023-07-06 13:59:29	HumanLove	holded the power button to turn off and turn on
2023-07-06 14:01:16	Namarrgon	why did you hold it in? did it not respond to the regular momentary shutdown signal?
2023-07-06 14:01:47	HumanLove	no
2023-07-06 14:01:49	HumanLove	it did not
2023-07-06 14:02:02	HumanLove	it hanged the system device confign reloading
2023-07-06 14:03:01	HumanLove	last image 
2023-07-06 14:03:03	HumanLove	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/gmk659X8/irccloudcapture7912071047919832564.jpg
2023-07-06 14:03:10	HumanLove	reloading device config
2023-07-06 14:04:37	Namarrgon	can you post the pacman log for that -Syu?
2023-07-06 14:05:10	Namarrgon	it looks like it finished and there's a clean-ish shutdown
2023-07-06 14:05:31	Namarrgon	it's likely that only the framebuffer froze on that picture
2023-07-06 14:06:42	HumanLove	http://pastie.org/p/7qHqk3PJ8PfXYtyZ4hOMcP
2023-07-06 14:06:42	phrik	Title: Pastie (at pastie.org)
2023-07-06 14:07:31	YHNdnzj[moz]	<bf_> "I'll file a bug with systemd..." <- Still, I don't think this is a problem. (I'm a systemd member BTW). For your use case, I would recommend using a system systemd.path unit to monitor your git-commited service. When updated, the triggered service should be responsible for validating and enabling it. Your model of trying to let the user enable the service while keeping a priviledge
2023-07-06 14:07:31	YHNdnzj[moz]	boundary is simply not practical, as Forboron says.
2023-07-06 14:07:49	YHNdnzj[moz]	Foxboron *
2023-07-06 14:08:06	HumanLove	Namarrgon: what you mean?
2023-07-06 14:08:38	HumanLove	Namarrgon: i dont have swap is it becouse of that?
2023-07-06 14:08:50	jelle	HumanLove: how much ram do you have?
2023-07-06 14:08:55	HumanLove	16 GB
2023-07-06 14:08:59	Namarrgon	as you can see the pacman.log shows the rest of the alpm hooks
2023-07-06 14:09:13	Namarrgon	your screen froze, that's all
2023-07-06 14:09:16	jelle	it's always recommended to add swap
2023-07-06 14:09:23	jelle	either zram/zcache
2023-07-06 14:09:27	HumanLove	so then what i should do?
2023-07-06 14:09:30	⚡ 	alad recommends to add jelle
2023-07-06 14:09:31	HumanLove	now
2023-07-06 14:09:52	Namarrgon	do a happy dance?
2023-07-06 14:10:31	HumanLove	this is what i need https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/swap#Swap_file ??
2023-07-06 14:10:32	phrik	Title: Swap - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-06 14:14:02	Ennea	alad, you'll have to write a short how-to for that one
2023-07-06 14:14:16	Ennea	i don't even have a mkjelle command
2023-07-06 14:15:42	alad	:O
2023-07-06 14:15:59	alad	step 1. take schültebrau 2. done
2023-07-06 14:18:43	Namarrgon	HumanLove: sure, that works, but it's not related to the framebuffer hang
2023-07-06 14:18:44	Ennea	very easy to follow. thanks!
2023-07-06 14:30:20	dviola	getting a few firefox crashes lately
2023-07-06 14:31:56	ugga-the-caveman	hi, i just found alot of messages in my journalctl. there caused by archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync. i am a linux noob and dont really know whats going on here, but it seems to me that this service has updated a bunch of keys.i dont really understand whats going on, but thats ok i am still learning =) but i wanted to ask here that this behaviour is
2023-07-06 14:31:57	ugga-the-caveman	normal.
2023-07-06 14:32:27	ugga-the-caveman	i didnt update anything or so so i am confused why the keys got updated now
2023-07-06 14:38:16	Antiz	dviola: This has been recently fixed: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/78955 Make sure you are up to date :)
2023-07-06 14:38:17	phrik	Title: FS#78955 : [firefox] random crashes on normal usage (since v114.0.2-1) (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-07-06 14:43:14	dviola	Antiz: I am up to date, still need to reboot to linux 6.4.1.arch2-1 though
2023-07-06 14:44:39	Antiz	dviola: yeah, that should solve the issue :)
2023-07-06 14:45:02	dviola	Antiz: oh, ok
2023-07-06 14:45:09	dviola	good to know, thanks
2023-07-06 14:45:11	dviola	rebooting
2023-07-06 14:45:15	Antiz	dviola: The issue was actually located in the kernel
2023-07-06 14:45:30	dviola	Antiz: I see
2023-07-06 14:45:31	Antiz	Se: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/78973
2023-07-06 14:45:32	dviola	brb
2023-07-06 14:45:32	phrik	Title: FS#78973 : [linux] 6.4 regression: memory corruption (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-07-06 14:50:21	dviola	Antiz: on 6.4.1-arch2-1 now, thanks for letting me know
2023-07-06 14:50:29	Antiz	dviola: You're welcome :)
2023-07-06 15:05:04	jdarnley	Is there a command to make systemd show required by or reverse depends for a unit?
2023-07-06 15:05:09	bf_	YHNdnzj[moz]: no, only root enables the service. but then the user can edit the service file. that's a privilege escalation vuln. ssh protects against this by complaining about file permissions of .ssh/id_rsa and refusing to start up
2023-07-06 15:05:27	jdarnley	I want to know why something is starting when I have it disabled
2023-07-06 15:34:28	jelle	alad: pls, step 1. paul estak 2. take schültebrau 2. done
2023-07-06 15:35:03	Ennea	three steps total, but it only goes up to step 2. hmm
2023-07-06 15:43:15	alad	jelle: true
2023-07-06 16:30:32	low-key	trying to install gtsummary in R and running into unable to load shared object '/home/loki/.local/share/Rpackages/library/stringi/libs/stringi.so':
2023-07-06 16:30:41	low-key	  libicui18n.so.72: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2023-07-06 16:30:55	low-key	i do have icu installed though
2023-07-06 16:31:35	Repentinus	It's not the system ICU that the software is attempting and failing to use.
2023-07-06 16:32:04	Repentinus	For some reason it expects you to have ICU installed in ~/.local/.
2023-07-06 16:32:23	Repentinus	Either a path issue or some R local package weirdness.
2023-07-06 16:32:32	low-key	ah, so i need to point it to the system one?
2023-07-06 16:33:20	Repentinus	Well-written software would use $PATH which would normally contain /bin and /usr/bin.
2023-07-06 16:34:05	BrainDamage	jdarnley: you can mask a unit and prevent it to start by any mean
2023-07-06 16:34:30	low-key	hmmm, i'm suddenly getting a similar error with the already installed tidyverse
2023-07-06 16:34:39	low-key	while loading it
2023-07-06 16:44:48	Namarrgon	update your system, rebuild all unofficial software against the new so
2023-07-06 16:45:08	low-key	i installed stringi in r and that fixed it for gtsummary and tidyverse
2023-07-06 16:47:11	susi	weird, that on this system everything just segfaults randomly when returning from suspend
2023-07-06 16:47:42	susi	not sure if it started with the new (6.4) linux or not
2023-07-06 16:48:59	Repentinus	susi, while partial upgrades are not supported, rolling the kernel back to the previous version in the archive is trivial and fairly safe.
2023-07-06 16:49:33	Repentinus	Just `pacman -U $url_to_linux $url_to_linux_headers`
2023-07-06 16:50:54	susi	maybe I need to switch to Manjaro, I heard they're real stable
2023-07-06 16:51:24	Repentinus	Good troll.
2023-07-06 16:51:29	susi	8)
2023-07-06 16:52:47	Repentinus	Anyhow, the point would be to verify it's the new kernel causing it and then you'd `git bisect` to track down the specific commit responsible.
2023-07-06 16:55:27	ponies	Repentinus: all he has to do is to find a needle in a haystack
2023-07-06 16:56:02	ponies	why not use the journal? $ sudo journalctl -p3 
2023-07-06 16:56:29	Repentinus	log(number of commits between known good version and known bad version) ain't that bad
2023-07-06 16:56:44	ponies	or coredumpctl 
2023-07-06 16:57:48	ponies	the assumption is that is the kernel, but we dont know if that's true
2023-07-06 16:58:49	Repentinus	That is a fair point.
2023-07-06 17:11:33	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-07-06 17:17:09	zipper	Hello all, turns out bluetooth audio breaking suddenly might not have been my fault.
2023-07-06 17:17:24	zipper	https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/14nb297/beware_with_the_latest_update_my_bluetooth_broke/
2023-07-06 17:17:25	phrik	Title: Beware, with the latest update my Bluetooth broke (mostly headphones). : archlinux (at www.reddit.com)
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2023-07-06 17:19:49	Santzes	I'm still having problems, sometimes I just lose the sound on my bt speaker, often when I pause/play even for few seconds but I think sometimes it has happened when I was just playing stuff through
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2023-07-06 17:20:22	Santzes	stuff like restarting the mpv or playing with audio profiles and outputs can work, sometimes I can't get over it at all and I have to change to vlc and it probably works
2023-07-06 17:20:55	MrElendig	zipper: this is why you are supposed to check teh bugtracker
2023-07-06 17:21:11	Santzes	though my bt speaker just a week ago for the first time just crashed and I had to press the power button for >10s to power cycle it, so it might be just that one dying
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2023-07-06 17:21:51	zipper	Santzes: bt isn't working for me even after the update
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2023-07-06 17:22:02	zipper	I don't even hace the energy to downgrade it
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2023-07-06 17:22:18	zipper	Which channel has laptop recommendations?
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2023-07-06 17:23:50	jdarnley	BrainDamage: thanks but I found it.  `systemctl list-dependencies` and the --reverse flag
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2023-07-06 17:25:43	zipper	Where can I talk about laptops? Is sway good with 16:10 displays?
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2023-07-06 17:27:21	brocellous	zipper: yes, should work fine.
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2023-07-06 17:28:22	zipper	I like thinkpads but OMG I'm so confused there are like a million laptops from lenovo. When did this happen?
2023-07-06 17:30:23	MrElendig	zipper: wait for 7040u availability
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2023-07-06 17:30:38	MrElendig	with actual sane amount of ram installed
2023-07-06 17:30:59	MrElendig	other than that, 6800u is a halfdecent choice
2023-07-06 17:31:02	zipper	MrElendig: Have a link? I can't find it on google
2023-07-06 17:31:30	zipper	thinkbook interesting
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2023-07-06 17:31:39	MrElendig	they are cpus
2023-07-06 17:31:57	jl2	zipper: i have a 14arb7 with sway running. i'm pretty happy
2023-07-06 17:32:18	MrElendig	sadly even 6800u availability is still shit and overpriced
2023-07-06 17:32:30	jl2	just get a 32G model - my 16G only has 13G usable
2023-07-06 17:32:42	zipper	hmm no intel fans here?
2023-07-06 17:32:49	MrElendig	H models are much more available, but U is just better in almost all ways
2023-07-06 17:33:04	MrElendig	zipper: current intel laptop chips are mheeeeeeeeeeeeee
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2023-07-06 17:33:09	jl2	zipper: p/e cores is a strange concept
2023-07-06 17:33:27	zipper	jl2: power/efficiency cores?
2023-07-06 17:33:27	ponies	amd is cheaper and most people here are super cheap
2023-07-06 17:33:32	MrElendig	that is not the main issue, the lower power/performance is
2023-07-06 17:33:41	jl2	amd has better multicore, intel better singlecore and a way higher power draw
2023-07-06 17:33:47	zipper	ponies: Yes :) I would say
2023-07-06 17:34:00	jl2	zipper: yes
2023-07-06 17:34:05	MrElendig	ponies: amd is actually more expensive now often due to almost 0 availability and "strategic positioning"
2023-07-06 17:34:17	zipper	I want to play with lower level SIMD stuff and I am a bit worried an AMD chip might get in the way
2023-07-06 17:34:28	zipper	Probably not though
2023-07-06 17:34:28	MrElendig	why would it?
2023-07-06 17:34:36	zipper	they should all implement the same instruction set
2023-07-06 17:34:37	ponies	oh, so we have go wait again?
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2023-07-06 17:34:48	ponies	they have always had a supply issue
2023-07-06 17:34:55	MrElendig	that is kinda a bigger issue on intel since they have dropped avx512
2023-07-06 17:35:43	zipper	I care about RAM and a decent processor I hardly care about graphics card though it would be nice and 128 or even 256 SSD would be okay
2023-07-06 17:35:51	zipper	32G RAM 
2023-07-06 17:36:02	MrElendig	250gb ssd is trash tier these days
2023-07-06 17:36:09	ponies	the only thing i want to upgrade is my CPU, but i dont even have to do that
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2023-07-06 17:36:21	jl2	yeah go for a 14arb7 then and get the 32G/1T model
2023-07-06 17:36:23	dviola	are we still far off from a x86-64-v3 arch?
2023-07-06 17:36:32	MrElendig	a decent 1tb ssd is well under 100 bucks
2023-07-06 17:36:33	zipper	MrElendig: Why are you saying that it's trash teir? we have the cloud plus external drives
2023-07-06 17:36:38	ponies	or, if i bought i new monitor, i would have to upgrade my GPU 
2023-07-06 17:36:44	zipper	MrElendig: I see
2023-07-06 17:36:46	MrElendig	zipper: slower and way worse endurance
2023-07-06 17:37:00	jdarnley	dviola: what was version 2?
2023-07-06 17:37:03	zipper	I hadn't seen your answer before I hit enter about the proce as well
2023-07-06 17:37:06	MrElendig	zipper: even more of a problem since it will be filled up fast, and full drive == slower and even less endurance
2023-07-06 17:37:14	ponies	and i cant fill 1TB, i have movies too 
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2023-07-06 17:37:57	dviola	jdarnley: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Microarchitecture_levels
2023-07-06 17:37:57	phrik	Title: x86-64 - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2023-07-06 17:38:13	MrElendig	128/256 version of a ssd can have half the performance of a 1tb one
2023-07-06 17:38:23	jl2	zipper: to be honnest, just wait till a laptop with a decent processor gets some discount
2023-07-06 17:38:33	jdarnley	wtf is this?
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2023-07-06 17:39:33	MrElendig	zipper: the thinkbook 13s with 6800u is really a quite good laptop
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2023-07-06 17:39:49	mchonedev	zipper, i run a 2021 asus rog zephyrus g14 laptop with 2tb of storage and 40gb of ram. would recommend this if someone is looking for something powerful and portable to run arch on. 
2023-07-06 17:39:56	jdarnley	I like how that doesn't pay attention the fact the pentiums and celerons produce after 2015 were gimped of AVX support
2023-07-06 17:39:58	mchonedev	it _does_ have a gpu, but you don't have to use it
2023-07-06 17:40:11	MrElendig	zipper: sidenote: for dev stuff, get 32gb of ram atleast if you can
2023-07-06 17:40:24	ponies	i always turn my head at the dell notepad thing. its a very pretty machine
2023-07-06 17:40:25	zipper	For some reason I can't post a link but I'm looking at ThinkPad Z13 AMD (13") 
2023-07-06 17:40:42	zipper	AMD Ryzen™ 5 PRO 6650U Processor (2.90 GHz up to 4.50 GHz)
2023-07-06 17:40:52	zipper	Ya I want 32G
2023-07-06 17:41:05	MrElendig	lenovo are stupid and don't want to sell more than 16gb though
2023-07-06 17:41:10	zipper	mchonedev: I need something that's portable
2023-07-06 17:41:17	zipper	MrElendig: Yeah wtf is up with that?
2023-07-06 17:41:20	mchonedev	zipper, my laptop is extremely portable
2023-07-06 17:41:27	MrElendig	and its even worse for the 7040u laptops, many of them are only available with 8gb for some insane reason
2023-07-06 17:41:28	jl2	zipper: looks good
2023-07-06 17:41:28	zipper	Why are there so few 32G laptops?
2023-07-06 17:41:31	chiselfuse	hello there's this utility that i'm wondering if it exists in arch's repos https://salsa.debian.org/jak/command-not-found but i'm not sure if this is its actual upstream because it's a nightmare to try to google it
2023-07-06 17:41:39	jelle	jdarnley: imo these standards are for real hardware
2023-07-06 17:41:49	jl2	zipper: because the average user doesn't need that much
2023-07-06 17:41:51	MrElendig	they are probably afraid that they will eat into the H(X) models 
2023-07-06 17:42:06	jdarnley	pentiums weren't real?  then what do I have running in the other room?
2023-07-06 17:42:21	ponies	zipper also you would drain the battery pretty fast by using all 32gb running vm's or whatever
2023-07-06 17:42:22	jelle	jdarnley: think enterprise
2023-07-06 17:42:23	mchonedev	zipper, because it's not as common to need 32gb on a laptop. most vendors will have room for expandability though (assuming the ram isn't soldered on the board)
2023-07-06 17:42:32	Namarrgon	chiselfuse: which shell?
2023-07-06 17:42:59	chiselfuse	Namarrgon: zsh, does it matter?
2023-07-06 17:43:01	zipper	mchonedev: Almost all small laptops have RAM soldered on
2023-07-06 17:43:07	zipper	I hate this
2023-07-06 17:43:10	mchonedev	except the ones that don't ;P 
2023-07-06 17:43:11	Namarrgon	chiselfuse: yes, it matters. pkgfile has hooks for bash, zsh and fish
2023-07-06 17:43:20	zipper	mchonedev: such as?
2023-07-06 17:43:38	jl2	zipper: my old HPs :)
2023-07-06 17:43:44	mchonedev	zipper, the asus rog zephyrus g14 that i mentioned before
2023-07-06 17:43:52	jl2	DDR3l :D
2023-07-06 17:43:55	mchonedev	you can find them all day long with 16gb on ebay and it's super simple to update
2023-07-06 17:44:05	chiselfuse	Namarrgon: if you know the package names for any of zsh,bash,fish i would like to have them all
2023-07-06 17:44:07	MrElendig	I wonder how much the lack of u models is amd not making them and how much its laptop makers being afraid that the u chips will eat into the higher profit margin H(X) offerings
2023-07-06 17:44:19	zipper	mchonedev: This one, right https://rog.asus.com/laptops/rog-zephyrus/2021-rog-zephyrus-g14-series/spec/
2023-07-06 17:44:19	phrik	Title: 2021 ROG Zephyrus G14 GA401 | Gaming Laptops｜ROG - Republic of Gamers｜ROG Global (at rog.asus.com)
2023-07-06 17:44:21	Namarrgon	chiselfuse: i just told you
2023-07-06 17:44:22	chiselfuse	Namarrgon: mainly want zsh and bash
2023-07-06 17:44:27	MrElendig	specially since they can force you into a dgpu too with the HX models
2023-07-06 17:44:38	MrElendig	so even more profit
2023-07-06 17:44:39	mchonedev	zipper, this is what i'm typing on right now: https://www.ebay.com/itm/145168991293. This but with 2tb NVME and 40gb of ram
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2023-07-06 17:45:25	chiselfuse	Namarrgon: you mean i should run `pkgfile command-not-found` in bash,zsh and fish respectively to find it?
2023-07-06 17:45:27	jl2	zipper: you don't need to upgrade ram if you can get 32G
2023-07-06 17:45:45	zipper	jl2: I find it cheaper to buy a 16G and update RAM myseld
2023-07-06 17:45:47	zipper	*myself
2023-07-06 17:45:48	⚡ 	MrElendig can reliably oom 32gb when building stuff
2023-07-06 17:45:58	Namarrgon	chiselfuse: no, the package has hooks for command-not-found
2023-07-06 17:46:06	zipper	oom?
2023-07-06 17:46:10	MrElendig	out of memory
2023-07-06 17:46:27	zipper	mchonedev: LOL why'd they make this laptop white?
2023-07-06 17:46:36	jl2	zipper: also zram works pretty good; it can up to tripple your ram
2023-07-06 17:46:38	Namarrgon	chiselfuse: source it from your rc files then try to execute a command that isn't installed but found in the repos
2023-07-06 17:46:39	mchonedev	ask the design team lol 
2023-07-06 17:46:40	ponies	16gb is not enough to build 
2023-07-06 17:46:59	MrElendig	16 is doable, but its really the absolute minimum really these days
2023-07-06 17:47:01	uuidNuniq	oom
2023-07-06 17:47:13	mchonedev	which is why you throw different sodimms in and upgrade from 16gb
2023-07-06 17:47:17	MrElendig	8gb should be classified as a crime against humanity
2023-07-06 17:47:19	zipper	I don't even know who's using less than 32G of RAM for anything systems related
2023-07-06 17:47:25	zipper	MrElendig: I agree
2023-07-06 17:47:32	ponies	another 16gb is maybe $60 now 
2023-07-06 17:47:39	chiselfuse	Namarrgon: i would source it if i had it, i don't have command-not-found on my system and i am looking for the package that provides the binary 'command-not-found'
2023-07-06 17:47:45	uuidNuniq	zipper: how many slots do you have 
2023-07-06 17:47:55	Namarrgon	chiselfuse: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pkgfile#Command_not_found
2023-07-06 17:47:56	phrik	Title: pkgfile - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-06 17:48:08	jl2	well compiling on 16G is okay - i can do a kernel on ram
2023-07-06 17:48:08	ponies	dont the new macbooks still have 8gb or ram? 
2023-07-06 17:48:11	zipper	uuidNuniq: I've never needed to look at my current latop. A dell that came with 32G RAM
2023-07-06 17:48:15	zipper	I never bothered
2023-07-06 17:48:31	⚡ 	MrElendig is actually considering the 13s with 6800u, but will probably wait another 6months and see
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2023-07-06 17:49:06	uuidNuniq	if you have 2 slots (usually for laptop) and you buy 16G version, and upgrade to 32G... you have to sell the 16G
2023-07-06 17:49:11	zipper	What about the one mchonedev suggested?
2023-07-06 17:49:29	zipper	Asus ROG Zephyrus G14
2023-07-06 17:49:32	MrElendig	updated 1440p panel would be nice, then I could 2x scale it
2023-07-06 17:49:41	zipper	6900s
2023-07-06 17:50:01	uuidNuniq	MrElendig: 1440p is too small. 4k is basic
2023-07-06 17:50:12	mchonedev	zipper, what do you want to know about it? i'm literally sitting in front of that laptop right now
2023-07-06 17:50:16	chiselfuse	Namarrgon: i see now
2023-07-06 17:50:19	MrElendig	1080p on 13" is a bit iritating
2023-07-06 17:50:27	MrElendig	uuidNuniq: its 225dpi which is fine
2023-07-06 17:50:43	MrElendig	uuidNuniq: pretty perfect for 2x scaling
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2023-07-06 17:51:07	uuidNuniq	2x becomes 720p
2023-07-06 17:51:16	uuidNuniq	little to show 
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2023-07-06 17:51:26	MrElendig	no, you have the same amount of pixels
2023-07-06 17:51:31	MrElendig	2x ui scaling
2023-07-06 17:51:33	zipper	mchonedev: I actually like the specs that I'm reading about 
2023-07-06 17:51:52	mchonedev	it's a beautiful machine and the keyboard is actually pretty nice too
2023-07-06 17:52:02	uuidNuniq	4k 13" with 2x perfect
2023-07-06 17:52:12	mchonedev	i like that it has the "gaming" capabilities without looking super cringy with RGB and the like XD
2023-07-06 17:52:34	MrElendig	4k would be nice, but no one makes a good 4k non-oled 13" panel
2023-07-06 17:53:32	uuidNuniq	MrElendig: 1440p with 2x scale, the actual stuff you see on the screen is like 720p only more clear 
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2023-07-06 17:56:22	zipper	mchonedev: There seems to be a 2022 version
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2023-07-06 17:56:39	bolnav[m]	Hi, how to reach the mediawiki instance (wiki.a.o) server sysadmin?
2023-07-06 17:57:00	mchonedev	zipper, yeah, they come out with one every year. i have the 2021 version
2023-07-06 17:57:17	zipper	Why'd they make this laptop white? I'm not hygenic enough for this
2023-07-06 17:57:21	zipper	hahaha I kid
2023-07-06 17:57:29	MrElendig	bolnav[m]: depends on what for
2023-07-06 17:57:30	zipper	honestly I worry about this LOL
2023-07-06 17:58:51	bolnav[m]	MrElendig, security update
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2023-07-06 17:59:00	zipper	mchonedev: What does it use as a charging port? USB-C?
2023-07-06 17:59:04	zipper	I doubt it
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2023-07-06 17:59:11	bolnav[m]	MrElendig, https://www.debian.org/security/2023/dsa-5447
2023-07-06 17:59:12	phrik	Title: Debian -- Security Information -- DSA-5447-1 mediawiki (at www.debian.org)
2023-07-06 17:59:29	MrElendig	bolnav[m]: bugtracker for anything that is publicly known
2023-07-06 18:00:07	mchonedev	zipper, it has both a barrel charger and one of the usb-c ports will charge the machine
2023-07-06 18:00:15	jelle	bolnav[m]: our mediawiki is 1.34.4
2023-07-06 18:00:19	jelle	*1.39.4
2023-07-06 18:00:51	jelle	well almost :p
2023-07-06 18:01:01	zipper	mchonedev: Okay awesome because I do value portability. I want to get one of those GANN charging brics and not have to worry about all these chargers while travelling
2023-07-06 18:01:11	bolnav[m]	jelle, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Special:Version
2023-07-06 18:01:15	phrik	Title: Version - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-07-06 18:01:42	⚡ 	jelle reads CVE's
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2023-07-06 18:02:47	teraflops	the left to read the CVE
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2023-07-06 18:02:52	teraflops	they*
2023-07-06 18:03:08	jelle	no they are using matrix :P
2023-07-06 18:03:16	teraflops	;)
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2023-07-06 18:04:10	zipper	Looks like a 100W AC adapter will charge it
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2023-07-06 18:05:21	teraflops	I have something controversial to say about laptops discussion above, I never had a better/more performing laptop than the arm macbook pro ;P
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2023-07-06 18:07:17	zipper	Hmm https://www.reddit.com/r/ZephyrusG14/comments/14m5od2/2023_model_usbc_charging/
2023-07-06 18:07:19	phrik	Title: 2023 model USB-C charging : ZephyrusG14 (at www.reddit.com)
2023-07-06 18:07:40	zipper	Asus do not recommend to use the laptop at all while charging with usb c
2023-07-06 18:08:24	zipper	and there's even a 2023 version
2023-07-06 18:08:37	Sout_	yikes that is interesting and did not know that was a thing
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2023-07-08 04:37:57	pulec	I just accidentally ran pacman -Syu in narrow terminal, I got nice output of packages to be updated one package per line
2023-07-08 04:38:00	pulec	and warning: insufficient columns available for table display
2023-07-08 04:38:14	pulec	heck I want I always packages per one line, much more readable for me
2023-07-08 04:38:21	pulec	any setting for that?
2023-07-08 04:40:05	mpan	pulec: `VerbosePkgList` is a bit more verbose, but displays one package per line.
2023-07-08 04:40:15	mpan	(A setting in “pacman.conf”)
2023-07-08 04:41:46	mpan	pulec: if you need to inspect that list before accepting (read as: you expect there to be a likely scenario of you pressing ‘N’ after seeing the packages list), did you consider `checkupdates` from pacman-contrib package? It prints stuff nicely and does not lead to partial updates.
2023-07-08 04:42:33	pulec	I never hit N I always hit enter
2023-07-08 04:43:24	pulec	what are even partial updates? one package updated while the others are in 'ignore'?
2023-07-08 04:43:38	pulec	as in, there is newer version in repos but you want to keep on old for some reason
2023-07-08 04:44:36	mpan	Yes, but that may also include situations after invoking pacman wrong (e.g. -Sy) or answering ‘N’ to -Syu. While they themselves do not instantly lead to a partial upgrade, for practical purposes they will if not quickly followed by the proper update.
2023-07-08 04:44:36	pulec	VerbosePkgList works great!
2023-07-08 04:44:39	pulec	thanks mpan
2023-07-08 04:44:41	pulec	mpan++
2023-07-08 04:44:54	pulec	checkupdates is new to me though
2023-07-08 04:45:15	mpan	pacman-contrib is a bunch of useful scripts and checkupdates allows you to check for updates without updating your local sync databses.
2023-07-08 04:45:38	mpan	It may also pre-download packages for you, if asked to do so.
2023-07-08 04:45:46	pulec	ooh
2023-07-08 04:45:52	pulec	rare use scenarios for me tho
2023-07-08 04:46:16	mpan	Not for me, since I often check available updates and then decide when to actually perform the update.
2023-07-08 04:46:17	pulec	oh there is also rankmirrors, ye I might use that
2023-07-08 04:46:24	mpan	And paccache.
2023-07-08 04:46:46	pulec	thanks to sniffnet I realized I use mirror in GB somehow (don't make me look at pacman mirrors file now)
2023-07-08 04:47:21	mpan	That should not be a problem. A mirror in UK. Unless you think the Queen meddles with your packages. ;)
2023-07-08 04:47:40	pulec	paccache huh? I just ran `pacman -Scc`
2023-07-08 04:47:52	pulec	ye but we have CZ mirrors
2023-07-08 04:47:54	mpan	pulec: that is a nuclear option. `paccache` is much more fine grained.
2023-07-08 04:48:00	pulec	speed to UK is good enuf, thanks sea cables
2023-07-08 04:48:08	pulec	mpan: nuclear is fine
2023-07-08 04:48:13	pulec	what could go wrong?
2023-07-08 04:48:24	mpan	`paccache -rk3` ← removes all old cache files except the last 3 versions. For example.
2023-07-08 04:48:25	pulec	I don't need to reinstall packages
2023-07-08 04:48:37	pulec	and if I need older ones there is archive somewhere
2023-07-08 04:48:50	coruja	i recently discovered checkrebuild
2023-07-08 04:49:00	pulec	I should rather setup local pacman mirror in LAN so the other 4 arch pcs have it easier
2023-07-08 04:49:13	mpan	I prefer to have backups offline. Faster to access, if I need to chroot into the system and fix something.
2023-07-08 04:49:29	mpan	Not that Arch demands such actions often. The beast is too stable. :/
2023-07-08 04:49:35	pulec	there is nothing that needs to be fixed in archlinux install, it's all stable and glorious
2023-07-08 04:49:45	pulec	high five
2023-07-08 04:50:13	⚡ 	pulec invents a game to bork something every other day on mpan's pc so mpan can have fun
2023-07-08 04:50:51	pulec	btw no need to specficy -k3 in paccache 3 is default for -k option
2023-07-08 04:50:55	mpan	As for mirrors: I see no reason to use CZ mirrors specifically. Use what is fastest. Hard data is hard data: if a UK mirror is better than CZ, what’s the point of sticking to CZ? It has been mentioned that in some geographical locations, which are weirdly shaped (Nordic countries) the packets are slow. But CZ is the middle of the Europe and pacman also has parallel downloads now.
2023-07-08 04:51:11	pulec	yeah I will use that tool to rank mirrors
2023-07-08 04:51:17	pulec	now slep
2023-07-08 04:51:27	mpan	I use reflector myself, but a matter of taste. Nothing wrong with rankmirrors probably.
2023-07-08 04:51:45	pulec	parallel downloads are nice sight to behold
2023-07-08 04:51:59	mpan	Oh, indeed -k3 is not needed. Perhaps a habit from the times it was not the default or something else entirely. Maybe sometimes I like to be explicit. :)
2023-07-08 04:52:06	mpan	Thanks
2023-07-08 04:52:15	pulec	oh I have reflector, ok
2023-07-08 04:52:40	pulec	ye no problem having alias cleanit='paccache -rk3'
2023-07-08 04:52:45	mpan	coruja: is that for self-built packages?
2023-07-08 04:52:47	pulec	verbose is fine
2023-07-08 04:53:08	coruja	"This tool helps you find Arch Linux packages that were built against older versions of dependencies and therefore need to be rebuilt to function properly."
2023-07-08 04:53:09	mpan	pulec: I use both `paccache -rk3` and `paccache -ruk0`, which may explain it. But I really do not remember.
2023-07-08 04:53:27	mpan	coruja: yep, I did see this. Just making sure I understand the purpose of the tool properly.
2023-07-08 04:54:19	mpan	Not that it is of use to me (2 foreign packages other than typefaces or icons), but still good to know.
2023-07-08 04:55:00	coruja	i've just been running it for some days, only case so far was a package built from aur, but i think it will mock about repo packages too i guess
2023-07-08 04:55:37	coruja	the icu case some days ago would have been quite a test
2023-07-08 04:55:41	pulec	python packages need rebuilding all the time
2023-07-08 04:56:03	coruja	that's why i looked for some tool and found it ;)
2023-07-08 04:58:02	pulec	for aurutils `aur repo --search '^python.*' --search-by depends --list`
2023-07-08 04:58:15	pulec	exact commands from their examples page
2023-07-08 04:58:32	coruja	aurutils++
2023-07-08 04:59:04	pulec	aladutils++
2023-07-08 07:46:00	susi	< git
2023-07-08 08:02:34	zipper	I have been having interesting times with bt and sound. I decided to look at the docs from scratch and found that I should be using PipeWire. In fact, I have it installed. However, I don't seem to have the service pipewire-pulse. Which should come with the package.
2023-07-08 08:04:58	zipper	Reinstalling with ?sudo pacman -S pipewire-audio` still doesn't give me pipewire-pulse.service
2023-07-08 08:05:14	susi	why would it? I don't see pipewire-pulse in its dependencies
2023-07-08 08:05:19	susi	maybe try -S pipewire-pulse
2023-07-08 08:06:03	zipper	Wait I think that's also installed. I'm getting my pipewires confused in the chat maybe.
2023-07-08 08:06:20	zipper	Yeah I have it as well
2023-07-08 08:06:47	susi	try systemctl --user status pipewire-pulse
2023-07-08 08:06:54	zipper	One sec I'll post a paste
2023-07-08 08:09:07	zipper	Looks like it's available https://pastebin.com/68ny0CsC
2023-07-08 08:09:08	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/H16M.txt
2023-07-08 08:09:08	phrik	Title: sudo pacman -S pipewire-pulse[sudo] password for ⚠ pipewire-pulse-1: - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-07-08 08:12:18	susi	it's not a system unit so it's controlled through the user services manager/daemon (--user): https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/systemd/User
2023-07-08 08:12:19	phrik	Title: systemd/User - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-08 08:44:18	zipper	Okay okay
2023-07-08 08:44:24	zipper	BT sound works now
2023-07-08 08:44:46	zipper	but I have to manually set it with pavucontrol which I didn't have to before
2023-07-08 08:44:53	zipper	Not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing
2023-07-08 08:48:00	zipper	Thanks susi 
2023-07-08 09:26:05	brocellous	uh latest groff seems to have broke man page coloring :/
2023-07-08 09:49:14	_DOOM_	I am using btrfs and I want to use fstrim.timer, what is the correct mount option so that I only use periodic trim.
2023-07-08 09:53:04	susi	bro: thanks for the idea, now my man pages are so much better to read
2023-07-08 09:54:41	brocellous	_DOOM_: nodiscard
2023-07-08 09:55:02	zipper	What's the idea?
2023-07-08 09:55:05	zipper	I think I missed it
2023-07-08 09:55:55	zipper	susi: Your name always reminds me of this btw https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Shusui
2023-07-08 09:55:56	phrik	Title: Shusui | One Piece Wiki | Fandom (at onepiece.fandom.com)
2023-07-08 09:56:07	zipper	Is that a coincidence?
2023-07-08 09:56:19	susi	must be
2023-07-08 09:58:29	brocellous	I can't figure out what the deal is with groff 1.23. reverting to 1.22.4 works tho
2023-07-08 10:00:06	_DOOM_	brocellous: Thank you
2023-07-08 10:02:15	zipper	What's the difference between man-pages and man-db? I can't quite tell from what's on the wiki. It looks like all I need is man-db
2023-07-08 10:05:22	brocellous	zipper: man-pages has supplementary man pages for linux things. syscalls, interfaces, filesystems etc. man-db is /usr/bin/man and friends.
2023-07-08 10:07:15	zipper	So basically when one writes a package they also write a man page that should be copied to /usr/bin/man to document it right? and this is handled by man-db?
2023-07-08 10:08:28	brocellous	the man pages live in /usr/share/man or $MANPATH. They are typically provided in the same package as the stuff they document, at least on archlinux.
2023-07-08 10:08:30	tirnanog	no. /usr/bin/man is the man(1) utility. man pages are installed to /usr/share/man.
2023-07-08 10:09:34	brocellous	and normally you could color them in less if groff 1.23 wasn't being so uncooperative...
2023-07-08 10:11:25	zipper	Aaah I missed the bin in /usr/bin/man
2023-07-08 10:11:33	brocellous	I'm reading through the groff release notes and nothing pops out. Might be a bug? I admittedly don't really grok groff.
2023-07-08 10:12:03	zipper	brocellous: Provided in the package and copied to /usr/share/man
2023-07-08 10:12:33	zipper	I'm on groff 1.22.4 and my system is up to date
2023-07-08 10:12:34	brocellous	well the package manager is going to place the package files to their intended location
2023-07-08 10:12:41	zipper	Maybe I'm using an old mirror
2023-07-08 10:12:50	zipper	*unupdated mirror
2023-07-08 10:12:54	brocellous	yeah, we're on 1.23 https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/groff/
2023-07-08 10:12:55	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - groff 1.23.0-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2023-07-08 10:13:09	zipper	brocellous: Downgrade?
2023-07-08 10:13:21	zipper	I'm trying to figure out how to color them
2023-07-08 10:13:30	brocellous	sure that works but I'd like to fix it
2023-07-08 10:15:13	brocellous	normally LESS_TERMCAP_* env vars can be used to set the terminal escapes used for various termcaps, so you can override the bold/underline/whatever garbage emitted by the formatter into something more readable.
2023-07-08 10:16:08	brocellous	obviously may differ by pager
2023-07-08 10:16:28	zipper	Okay I can't figure it out
2023-07-08 10:16:39	zipper	How do I get groff to give me nice colors for man pages?
2023-07-08 10:18:18	zipper	https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/groff.7.html#Colors
2023-07-08 10:18:18	phrik	Title: groff(7) - Linux manual page (at man7.org)
2023-07-08 10:19:53	brocellous	thats for the source document. manpages won't contain those macros afaik.
2023-07-08 10:20:19	zipper	brocellous: Oh I have to write a macro to get colors? 
2023-07-08 10:20:28	zipper	I found this in the man pages " -c     Disable color output.  Please consult the grotty(1) man page for more details."
2023-07-08 10:20:34	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-07-08 10:20:34	zipper	Which means color should be on by default
2023-07-08 10:20:56	zipper	This is basically man `zcat /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz | groff -mandoc -T ascii | less`
2023-07-08 10:21:04	zipper	but still no color of course
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2023-07-08 10:21:42	bookworm	why do you pipe man into less?
2023-07-08 10:21:46	bookworm	man already is a pager
2023-07-08 10:21:58	bookworm	it'll probably disable color if stdout isn't a tty
2023-07-08 10:22:03	bookworm	as any sane tool would 
2023-07-08 10:22:30	zipper	 "There is a real color facility in grotty(1), but it is strongly discouraged for man pages."
2023-07-08 10:22:32	brocellous	man is not a pager. It uses MANPAGER, which defaults to less.
2023-07-08 10:22:32	zipper	From https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Color_output_in_console#man
2023-07-08 10:22:34	phrik	Title: Color output in console - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-08 10:23:41	zipper	Ooh
2023-07-08 10:23:46	bookworm	brocellous: sure, but it uses it internally 
2023-07-08 10:23:47	zipper	it works with `export MANPAGER="less -R --use-color -Dd+r -Du+b"`
2023-07-08 10:24:04	bookworm	that's different than redirecting it via pipe
2023-07-08 10:24:20	zipper	bookworm: Yes I didn't know what I was doing
2023-07-08 10:24:26	zipper	It's called flailing :)
2023-07-08 10:24:33	zipper	It's what professionals do
2023-07-08 10:25:47	zipper	hmm how do I say these. These colors aren't that pretty. susi oversold them :)
2023-07-08 10:26:34	bookworm	just use neovim as your manpager and you can color it all over the rainbow with sane controls ;P
2023-07-08 10:27:57	zipper	hmm maybe I can use emacs :D
2023-07-08 10:28:16	zipper	I cannot
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2023-07-08 10:30:14	zipper	Aaah it's time for a morning nap. Then I'll take an afternoon nap then an evening nap
2023-07-08 10:30:18	zipper	I take many naps
2023-07-08 10:30:38	raster	you must be a cat.
2023-07-08 10:31:35	thurstylark	What do I need to get my bcm4360 card working?
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2023-07-08 10:37:59	susi	thurstylark: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/broadcom_wireless
2023-07-08 10:38:00	phrik	Title: Broadcom wireless - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-07-08 10:39:21	brocellous	ugh, it's an intentional change.
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2023-07-08 10:48:02	GuiToris	Hello. My system is running behind time. What command can I use to update it?
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2023-07-08 10:49:56	brocellous	GuiToris: start/enable systemd-timesyncd?
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2023-07-08 10:50:09	GuiToris	thanks, I'll give it a try
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2023-07-08 10:52:42	brocellous	so we can `export GROFF_NO_SGR=1`, but it's looking like that may be deprecated too :/
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2023-07-08 10:57:39	uuidNuniq	https://github.com/c-skills/vala-vala-hey/blob/master/vala-vala-hey
2023-07-08 10:57:44	uuidNuniq	0day 
2023-07-08 10:57:54	uuidNuniq	lol manjaro... 
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2023-07-08 11:04:36	thurstylark	I don't get it. I can't tell by the broadcom wireless page what I need to get this working
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2023-07-08 11:10:48	susi	hmm, how would I custom the manual page prompt of less? 
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2023-07-08 11:26:29	post-factum	thurstylark: you should probably start by describing your issue in details
2023-07-08 11:26:30	brocellous	susi: less has a flag -D to color the man output, which means giving -Dd<color> and -Du<color> options to less in MANPAGER.
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2023-07-08 11:26:53	brocellous	(on groff < 1.23)
2023-07-08 11:28:01	susi	I do color the output yeah, but I'd like to edit the prompt shown when browsing man pages
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2023-07-08 11:29:34	brocellous	susi: what prompt?
2023-07-08 11:29:37	ursa	what prompt indeed
2023-07-08 11:29:59	ursa	Screenshot?
2023-07-08 11:30:07	susi	the one that says "Manual page ... line .. (press h for help or q to quit)"
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2023-07-08 11:30:24	brocellous	susi: -Ds+bk
2023-07-08 11:30:30	brocellous	or, whatever your preference
2023-07-08 11:31:27	brocellous	or LESS_TERMCAP_so=<blah>
2023-07-08 11:32:57	brocellous	I wish the -D options would let us apply bold but ah well
2023-07-08 11:33:16	susi	I don't see that affecting the prompt, and I'd like to edit its textual contents, but if it's not trivially customizable, it's fine
2023-07-08 11:33:42	thurstylark	Ahh, finally figured out that I needed extra/broadcom-wl-dkms to get my card working
2023-07-08 11:33:45	susi	I can customize less's prompt otherwise, outside manpager context, at least
2023-07-08 11:34:27	thurstylark	god damn, I'll never willingly buy broadcom network gear, this shit suuuuucks
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2023-07-08 11:40:54	post-factum	!next
2023-07-08 11:40:54	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2023-07-08 11:42:41	brocellous	susi: you mean -Pm?
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2023-07-08 11:46:12	susi	> Manual page less(1) line 753 (press h for help or q to quit)
2023-07-08 11:46:27	susi	I mean that prompt that's visible when browsing man pages with less as manpager
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2023-07-08 11:46:53	susi	but yeah, actually that seems to be it, -Pm :)
2023-07-08 11:47:00	susi	cool, thanks
2023-07-08 11:48:03	susi	how should I or anybody know that's "medium prompt"
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2023-07-08 11:49:12	brocellous	telepathy
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2023-07-08 11:52:04	susi	but then, what would be the identifier/modifier for the man page (like "less(1)") ... %f it ain't
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2023-07-08 11:54:11	brocellous	its a literal string passed by man
2023-07-08 11:54:39	susi	yeah, but if I can't access that string in any way, not good
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2023-07-08 11:55:31	susi	yeah, I'll let it be the way it was, thanks anyway
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2023-07-08 11:58:14	susi	brocellous: just look at this, wiuh! https://0x0.st/H1Iz.png
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2023-07-08 11:59:31	susi	thoes underlinings broke my eyes, that bright blue is a lot better
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2023-07-08 12:01:48	susi	that prompt background I'd like to make a little less bright, tho
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2023-07-08 12:04:18	greentail	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Zsh#pkgfile_%22command_not_found%22_handler
2023-07-08 12:04:19	phrik	Title: Zsh - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-08 12:05:16	greentail	I have pkgfile command_not_found in zsh. However, when I run `$ easy_install` , I only get `command not found` , and the shell doesn't tell me what package contains that command. 
2023-07-08 12:06:07	coruja	susi: if still using less, see man less for setting colors section
2023-07-08 12:06:15	greentail	But when I run `$ pkgfile easy_install` , it correctly returns `extra/pyenv`  ; how can I make zsh tell me that easy_install belongs to extra/pyenv ?  
2023-07-08 12:06:38	susi	coruja: yes yes, I have set them as in the picture :)
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2023-07-08 12:07:20	coruja	susi: ok, according to your message i thought you're gonna do so
2023-07-08 12:07:35	coruja	or wanna ;)
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2023-07-08 12:09:30	susi	greentail: did you source that command-not-found.zsh file?
2023-07-08 12:09:55	greentail	susi, I actually sourced twice. I sourced it in the zshrc file, and also sourced it again myself in the shell.  
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2023-07-08 12:10:23	greentail	susi, is my problem not reproduceable? 
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2023-07-08 12:10:52	greentail	s/reproduceable/reproducible/  
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2023-07-08 12:12:14	greentail	Or, give me a command different from easy_install, to see if zsh correctly tells me what package that file it belongs to. Just to be sure the problem doesn't happen with easy_install only.  
2023-07-08 12:12:49	susi	did you try: pkgfile -b -v -- "easy_install" 
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2023-07-08 12:13:31	greentail	susi, your command returns nothing. 
2023-07-08 12:13:44	brocellous	susi: it's available in MAN_PN env var. You can print it from less using the builtin shell exec !echo $MAN_PN. Good luck using it in the prompt though.
2023-07-08 12:13:49	susi	yeah, your command_not_found_handler() is working as intended
2023-07-08 12:14:01	susi	for whatever reason pkgfile does not find anything for easy_install, probably because of -b flag
2023-07-08 12:14:52	brocellous	also possibly b/c easy_install has been deprecated for 15 years...
2023-07-08 12:15:16	greentail	susi, oh i see what you did now. That's the command that's written in the original zsh file.  
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2023-07-08 12:17:22	greentail	brocellous,  I just ran `$ echo $MAN_PN`  ; and it returned an empty line.  
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2023-07-08 12:17:54	greentail	brocellous, `$ pacman -F easy_install`  correctly tells me what package contains that file though.  
2023-07-08 12:18:02	brocellous	greentail: that's part of an older convo with susi
2023-07-08 12:18:58	susi	greentail: yes, but read pkgfile's man page and about the -b flag
2023-07-08 12:19:30	susi	" usr/share/pyenv/pyenv.d/exec/pip-rehash/easy_install " is not a file contained within a bin or sbin directory
2023-07-08 12:20:05	greentail	susi, i see, thanks
2023-07-08 12:22:35	terashy	any one know how to change the Pidgin font size?
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2023-07-08 12:28:18	susi	greentail: if you'd like it to work the other way, try editing command-not-found.zsh and taking -b out of the pkgfile command invocation
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2023-07-08 17:00:13	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-07-08 17:00:13	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1422 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1422 normals)
2023-07-08 16:53:49	bluetail	when dec0nstructed is finished, they'll have gray hair and becomes one of us :D
2023-07-08 16:54:13	dec0nstructed	xD
2023-07-08 16:54:30	dec0nstructed	here goes again o/
2023-07-08 16:55:39	astralc	just open chat in tty.., you don't need full restart for dwm
2023-07-08 16:55:51	dec0nstructed	there we go! thanks for showing me the force option and tbh who knows why it worked after a second rebuild 
2023-07-08 16:56:08	dec0nstructed	yah ended up just restarting dwm that time
2023-07-08 16:56:19	dec0nstructed	and true that's less annoying sorry
2023-07-08 16:57:47	dec0nstructed	thanks again!! now my alt key is free at last
2023-07-08 17:00:13	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-07-08 17:35:46	dec0nstructed	Say I have an error in my boot journal log with no dependencies, and a bit of lsmod/modinfo-fu tells me i2c_piix4 is responsible. Lots of stuff online is saying to just blacklist this module, but lets say you had no internet access and had to figure out on your own whether a blacklist is appropriate. How would one go about that?
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2023-07-08 17:35:49	ℹ 	wallabra|phone_ es conocido ahora como wallabra|phone
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2023-07-08 17:36:45	dec0nstructed	The 0 depending modules makes me feel more confident about that at least, but could anything else go wrong?
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2023-07-08 17:38:01	dec0nstructed	And fyi the journal error message says the controller that this module works with is not enabled. So sounds like blacklisting something that won't even connect/turn on, sounds good?
2023-07-08 17:38:06	ectospasm	disabling an I²C driver might disable some sensors on your motherboard
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2023-07-08 17:38:33	ectospasm	It depends on if any of your sensors depend on the piix4 driver
2023-07-08 17:39:01	ectospasm	You might want to check `lspci -nnk | grep -B10 i2c_piix4`
2023-07-08 17:39:15	ectospasm	Or maybe -B2
2023-07-08 17:39:31	ectospasm	dec0nstructed: ^
2023-07-08 17:39:50	sudo	Fount the right settings for my keyboard for kmscon --xkb-layout=gb --xkb-variant=mac - surprisingly, @ and " are on right places as on us keymaps
2023-07-08 17:39:57	ectospasm	That should tell if one of your bridges uses that module
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2023-07-08 17:42:13	dec0nstructed	In this case I'm in a vmware box, and I get an output from that
2023-07-08 17:42:19	dec0nstructed	00:07.3 Bridge [0680]: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI [8086:7113] (rev 08) Subsystem: VMware Virtual Machine Chipset [15ad:1976] Kernel modules: i2c_piix4
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2023-07-08 17:43:39	ectospasm	So if you blacklist that module that bridge likely won't work, you may need to test to see whether that causes you any problems.
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2023-07-08 17:43:53	ectospasm	Not sure how crucial an ACPI bridge will be in a VM
2023-07-08 17:44:08	dec0nstructed	ok thanks! I saw that I can set the blacklist as a one-time kernel param with grub instead of forever in the blacklist config file
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2023-07-08 17:44:12	dec0nstructed	so I'll try that
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2023-07-08 17:47:47	DeepDayze	I like that when you can specify kernel settings overrides on the grub command line so that you can test changes before committing them permanently
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2023-07-08 18:05:46	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-07-08 18:05:46	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1422 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1422 normals)
2023-07-08 18:05:48	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-07-08 18:17:48	zipper	Okay folks. Does sound auto switch to bt when you connect a bt device anymore?
2023-07-08 18:18:34	susi	yes it does
2023-07-08 18:18:43	susi	it still does :)
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2023-07-08 18:35:58	Mathisen	hello, anyone that can help me i cant update :( getting conflicting files it seems... http://ix.io/4A5f
2023-07-08 18:36:40	Mathisen	uninstall npm ?
2023-07-08 18:37:51	mefistofeles	Mathisen: sounds like you installed npm packages by hand 
2023-07-08 18:37:53	mefistofeles	in the past
2023-07-08 18:38:05	Mathisen	i have but never as sudo
2023-07-08 18:38:23	mefistofeles	hmm
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2023-07-08 18:38:40	mefistofeles	Mathisen: how long since you last updated arch?
2023-07-08 18:38:53	Mathisen	not long, this morning
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2023-07-08 18:39:15	mefistofeles	interesting, I don't really know but my guess would be that these should be safe to overwrite
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2023-07-08 18:39:36	Mathisen	ok, if anyone would know that command it would be great
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2023-07-08 18:42:08	mefistofeles	Mathisen: https://archlinux.org/pacman/pacman.8.html look for "overwrite" there and check if that fits what you expect
2023-07-08 18:42:09	phrik	Title: pacman(8) (at archlinux.org)
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2023-07-08 18:45:12	Mathisen	thanks!
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2023-07-08 18:45:21	Mathisen	--overwrite npm did the trick
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2023-07-08 18:45:38	Mathisen	now i just hope i have not broken sometihng else
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2023-07-08 19:28:49	ectospasm	if you installed npm packages outside of pacman that was likely the culprit.  
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2023-07-08 19:30:30	ectospasm	Mathisen: if you find some npm packages that you installed via npm that no longer work, you can use nodejs-npm2arch to generate a PKGBUILD and install it with makepkg as if it was from the AUR
2023-07-08 19:30:52	ectospasm	That way you don't get the file conflicts anymore.
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2023-07-08 19:31:11	ectospasm	And if you find such PKGBUILDs useful, you can submit them to the AUR
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2023-07-08 19:31:17	ectospasm	I did so with nodej-fast-cli
2023-07-08 19:31:24	ectospasm	so it's not that difficult.
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2023-07-08 19:33:37	edt	anyone manage to get lm_sensors working for an asrock b650 (am5) motherboard?
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2023-07-08 19:48:11	ectospasm	!give edt anyone
2023-07-08 19:48:11	phrik	edt: Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
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2023-07-08 19:52:21	edt	phrik if you managed more than temps (using k01temp) then I would be interested in what modules were used...
2023-07-08 19:52:22	phrik	edt: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
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2023-07-08 19:54:27	edt	from what I have found so far asrock uses a variant of the nct6799d with an id of 0xd802 -have not found any modules for this chip yet
2023-07-08 19:55:29	ectospasm	edt: does it show in lspci?
2023-07-08 19:56:11	ectospasm	You can probably search for "linux vendor_ID:device_id" from the output of lspci -nn
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2023-07-08 19:57:56	edt	nothing in lspci.  I am getting the id from sensors-detect
2023-07-08 19:58:27	ectospasm	Do you know what bus the device uses?  ISA, I²C, etc...?
2023-07-08 20:01:28	edt	its finding the id in the sensor-detect step following: Probing for Super-I/O at 0x2e/0x2f
2023-07-08 20:03:14	ectospasm	Yeah, I'm not sure where to look next, you'd likely need a vendor ID to see if you can find the module for it.
2023-07-08 20:03:42	ectospasm	Do you have any devices in lspci from that vendor?  Perhaps you can glean the vendor ID from that.
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2023-07-08 20:08:19	edt	looking for pci nuvoton lead to a pci database and 0x1050 maybe the vendorid, searching for 1050:d802 does not find anything though
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2023-07-08 20:13:43	needlesslygrim	Hi, I don't seem to be able to install any packages from the AUR today.
2023-07-08 20:13:51	needlesslygrim	I'm getting an ssh error when running `makepkg`
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2023-07-08 20:14:22	gehidore	what's the package?
2023-07-08 20:14:30	needlesslygrim	`luminance`
2023-07-08 20:14:40	needlesslygrim	Cloning into '/home/erickth/.cache/paru/clone/luminance/src/Luminance/arch'...
2023-07-08 20:14:42	needlesslygrim	aur@aur.archlinux.org: Permission denied (publickey).
2023-07-08 20:14:43	needlesslygrim	fatal: Could not read from remote repository.
2023-07-08 20:14:52	needlesslygrim	This is the problem
2023-07-08 20:15:16	needlesslygrim	I'm not sure why I'm getting errors about the public key, since I tried moving my SSH keys out of `~/.ssh`
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2023-07-08 20:16:07	needlesslygrim	Do you know what's gone wrong?
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2023-07-08 21:47:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-07-08 21:47:01	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1416 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1416 normals)
2023-07-08 21:47:01	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-07-08 21:47:55	whoever	hi all 
2023-07-08 21:48:04	whoever	i am using audacious 
2023-07-08 21:48:19	BrainDamage	I'm sorry for you
2023-07-08 21:48:21	BrainDamage	!prev
2023-07-08 21:48:21	phrik	Another unsatisfied customer! PREV!
2023-07-08 21:49:25	whoever	and when i try to play audio i get an error to the console that .audacious/plugins faild to initalize WARNING ../audacious-plugins-4.3.1/src/ffaudio/ffaudio-core.cc:207 [mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2]: <0x7f4bc4283500> stream 0, timescale not set
2023-07-08 21:49:42	whoever	can some kind soul assist 
2023-07-08 21:49:57	whoever	thank you --> in advance 
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2023-07-08 21:52:46	BrainDamage	pastebin lddtree /usr/lib/audacious/Input/ffaudio.so
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2023-07-08 21:56:04	MrElendig	-Qm while you are at it
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2023-07-08 21:58:36	ℹ 	phonemic0 es conocido ahora como phonemic
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2023-07-08 22:01:13	whoever	BrainDamage: https://bpa.st/MEEX4
2023-07-08 22:01:14	phrik	Title: View paste MEEX4 (at bpa.st)
2023-07-08 22:01:38	whoever	ahh phrik grab your capacitors 
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2023-07-08 22:14:30	charlie5	is 'paru' then currently the best aur helper?
2023-07-08 22:14:52	charlie5	i've tried pacaur, pikaur and yay
2023-07-08 22:15:14	charlie5	paru is the only one which handles a meta-package i've just made
2023-07-08 22:15:37	charlie5	the others all fail to install a simple python dependency
2023-07-08 22:15:45	charlie5	(python-e3-core)
2023-07-08 22:17:13	BrainDamage	whoever: looks ok
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2023-07-08 22:20:56	whoever	BrainDamage: yes, Audacious won't play thoug and tried as root to varify it wasn't permissions and still got the same error
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2023-07-08 22:22:04	jensen	anyone experience periodic system freeze when transferring files from external hdd to nfs mounted storage?
2023-07-08 22:22:12	jensen	latest stock kernel
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2023-07-08 22:25:42	whoever	jensen: cr bry 'hd ewb hssrsu when this happens 
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2023-07-08 22:26:03	whoever	is it only where transfeing files 
2023-07-08 22:26:15	mpan	whoever: this sounds like a problem with file content, not software.
2023-07-08 22:26:57	whoever	mpan: i am thinking I/o as in hd going out 
2023-07-08 22:27:27	mpan	whoever: the error you meantion. It suggests a file is invalid.
2023-07-08 22:27:37	mpan	Not an error in either software or the system, or hardware.
2023-07-08 22:28:42	Dan39	well, even with linux-lts i'm still getting some i915 errors -> https://bpa.st/7ADSO
2023-07-08 22:28:43	phrik	Title: View paste 7ADSO (at bpa.st)
2023-07-08 22:28:55	Dan39	but everything is working alright at least, unlike with `linux` package
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2023-07-08 22:30:16	mpan	whoever: there were situations, where ffmpeg had bugs introduced making processing valid files not working, but these are the less likely explanation. Did you try with some other file, in particular different file type from a different source?
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2023-07-08 22:40:08	sudo	any channel someone can suggest to fix problem with ctrl+h acting as backspace?
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2023-07-08 22:44:47	charlie5	dang ... i spoke too soon ... paru also fails to install that dependency :(
2023-07-08 22:45:07	greentail	sudo, what's your OS? 
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2023-07-08 22:45:40	sudo	archlinux, no gui, but using kmscon which sets TERM to xterm-256
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2023-07-08 22:48:00	sudo	greentail: archlinux, no gui, but using kmscon which sets TERM to xterm-256
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2023-07-08 22:49:59	MrElendig	sudo: what problem?
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2023-07-08 22:50:26	MrElendig	C-h is backspace
2023-07-08 22:51:03	MrElendig	or rather, the opposite :p
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2023-07-08 22:53:18	sudo	MrElendig problem is, I use ctrl+h to switch to right pane in tmux or righ split window in nvim. But When I press Ctrl+h right now, it doesn't switch pane/window. But I don't know if it's kmscon or something wrong in terminfo files, or my selection of keyboard type.
2023-07-08 22:53:22	teraflops	kmscon last commit 9 years ago
2023-07-08 22:53:35	sudo	that's really stable :p
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2023-07-08 22:54:06	sudo	it works really nice, besides this problem. But it could be something else, I should test with regular vt220 maybe
2023-07-08 22:54:18	MrElendig	sudo: don't use ctrl-h, it doing backwards delete char is the expected behaviour on the vast majority of terminals
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2023-07-08 22:55:02	sudo	MrElendig, I don't recall that I had this issue with the same bindings before. But if I cannot fix it, I'll change bindings as a last resort
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2023-07-08 22:56:25	MrElendig	you can hack/configure it to use ^? instead, but that is really non-standard
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2023-07-08 22:58:03	sudo	hmm, I don't like non-standard.
2023-07-08 22:58:16	MrElendig	ascii says ^H is BS
2023-07-08 22:59:41	whoever	BrainDamage: it was an audio setting that I overlooked . for some reasoon by default the a audio is set to pipewire . i found out under settings > audio 
2023-07-08 22:59:54	whoever	thank you for the hlp by the way 
2023-07-08 22:59:57	sudo	I have been using those bindings without this problem before. I wonder why I got in this problem now
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2023-07-08 23:14:59	sudo	So in default console (without kmscon) $TERM=linux kbs=^? and when I start tmux from there, $TERM=tmux-256color and kbs=^H and ctrl+h switches to right pane. I'll edit xterm-256color to match linux terminfo file and see if that works
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2023-07-08 23:46:34	needlesslygrim	Hello, I'm getting a few errors when trying to install `luminance` from the AUR. Here's the makepkg log if that helps: http://ix.io/4A6P, thanks in advance.
2023-07-08 23:46:36	greentail	MrElendig, I just pressed Ctrl+h and it doesn't behave like backspace. That is, it doesn't delete characters.  
2023-07-08 23:49:57	Repentinus	needlesslygrim, please don't lie. It's not makepkg log.
2023-07-08 23:50:09	needlesslygrim	Lol?
2023-07-08 23:50:09	Repentinus	Try `[repentinus@Mandalore Downloads]$ git clone 'ssh://aur@aur.archlinux.org/luminance.git' luminance`
2023-07-08 23:50:17	Repentinus	It's your AUR helper log.
2023-07-08 23:50:26	Repentinus	Your AUR helper is not makepkg.
2023-07-08 23:50:29	needlesslygrim	It's not actually
2023-07-08 23:50:30	needlesslygrim	LOL
2023-07-08 23:50:41	needlesslygrim	Paru cloned the repository
2023-07-08 23:50:44	needlesslygrim	I ran makepkg manually
2023-07-08 23:50:51	needlesslygrim	As I saw it wasn't working.
2023-07-08 23:51:04	needlesslygrim	If you want me to try cloning the git repo myself you could just say that.
2023-07-08 23:51:21	needlesslygrim	Instead of accusing me of something.
2023-07-08 23:51:53	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-07-08 23:52:15	mpan	needlesslygrim: Repentinus wanted you to not use AUR helpers, as they are both unsupported and often the cause of issues.
2023-07-08 23:52:32	needlesslygrim	I've just tried using git directly and it still doesn't work.
2023-07-08 23:52:38	needlesslygrim	Give me 2 mins to upload the paste
2023-07-08 23:52:41	Repentinus	needlesslygrim, ack, I am sorry for mistakenly accusing you of lying.
2023-07-08 23:52:42	mpan	ok
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2023-07-08 23:53:30	needlesslygrim	No worries Repentinus, here's the log from git: http://ix.io/4A6S
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2023-07-08 23:54:13	mpan	https, not ssh
2023-07-08 23:54:49	needlesslygrim	That's the command I was given, I'll try https
2023-07-08 23:54:52	Repentinus	SSH might require authentication.
2023-07-08 23:54:58	mpan	Yes, I know. Not your fault.
2023-07-08 23:55:00	astralc	it is the address used in the source .gitmodules
2023-07-08 23:55:08	astralc	upstream error maybe?
2023-07-08 23:55:27	mpan	astralc: but the error mentioned last is from AUR clone itself.
2023-07-08 23:55:49	astralc	I mean because this: https://github.com/sidevesh/Luminance/blob/main/.gitmodules
2023-07-08 23:55:57	greentail	mpan, why does the Arch website say the user should use ssh if we're actually supposed to use https and not ssh?  
2023-07-08 23:56:07	needlesslygrim	Cloning with https works, but yeah makepkg still spits out a few errors.
2023-07-08 23:56:13	needlesslygrim	I'll look at the `.gitmodules` file
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2023-07-08 23:56:29	mpan	Hmm. astralc seems right regarding the submodule.
2023-07-08 23:56:36	Repentinus	SSH works fine, but probably requires authentication even for reading.
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2023-07-08 23:57:03	Repentinus	I've just got authentication configured for aur, so the same clone worked for me and my initial guess was that paru was fucking it up.
2023-07-08 23:58:07	mpan	Though that begs the question of why it has it as a submodule.
2023-07-08 23:58:13	Repentinus	And yes, astralc is right, this appears to be an upstream error.
2023-07-08 23:58:26	needlesslygrim	I'll go look to see if there's an open pull request.
2023-07-08 23:58:37	Repentinus	Probably worked for the packager (who appears to be upstream too) cause they also have SSH configured for AUR.
2023-07-08 23:58:39	mpan	Software built using PKGBUILD demands cloning its own copy from AUR, while building from that copy.
2023-07-08 23:58:55	needlesslygrim	https://github.com/sidevesh/Luminance/issues/9
2023-07-08 23:59:01	needlesslygrim	Yeah it looks like you were right.
2023-07-08 23:59:12	needlesslygrim	The dev knows it seems.
2023-07-08 23:59:47	mpan	And it explains, what they are trying to do. But that sounds like a bit of a weird setup.
2023-07-09 00:01:05	Repentinus	It's hilarious really,
2023-07-09 00:01:34	needlesslygrim	I guess I'll have to build it myself for now.
2023-07-09 00:01:42	needlesslygrim	Once that's fixed I'll use the aur packagee.
2023-07-09 00:01:45	needlesslygrim	Thanks for the help!
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2023-07-09 01:22:10	greentail	I have a question. Am using i3wm. In Firefox, sometimes on a link, and it downloads a file. Then it asks me where do I want to save the file. So it opens a GUI of a file explorer. The problem is that I don't like that GUI or that file explorer. e.g. It doesn't let me sort by "last modified date". (Currently the closes thing I have to a file explorer is ncdu, which is a CLI or TUI tool, but
2023-07-09 01:22:10	greentail	Firefox doesn't launch ncdu, it launches something else I 
2023-07-09 01:22:11	greentail	don't know the name of) How can I solve that? Should I install a different file explorer GUI? 
2023-07-09 01:23:14	Namarrgon	you're the first person i've seen classify ncdu as a file explorer
2023-07-09 01:24:05	Namarrgon	for firefox you probably want a gui filemanager
2023-07-09 01:24:45	Namarrgon	firefox cannot launch ncdu directly because that requires a terminal, firefox doesn't know that
2023-07-09 01:24:51	Namarrgon	!ping
2023-07-09 01:24:51	phrik	pong
2023-07-09 01:25:38	greentail	Namarrgon, after my message, I can only see you sent 4 messages, including "ping"
2023-07-09 01:25:45	bswartz	Namarrgon thinks he's piloting a submarine
2023-07-09 01:25:51	greentail	Namarrgon, what GUI filemanager you recommend? 
2023-07-09 01:25:53	Scimmia	FF just uses the GTK file picker, doesn't it?
2023-07-09 01:26:07	gehidore	that's what I thought ^
2023-07-09 01:26:28	MacGyver	Thirded.
2023-07-09 01:26:31	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Firefox#KDE_integration
2023-07-09 01:26:32	phrik	Title: Firefox - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-09 01:26:34	MacGyver	It's just the GTK file picker.
2023-07-09 01:26:39	Namarrgon	i don't know how up-to-date that is
2023-07-09 01:27:21	greentail	Scimmia, it seems to be called GTK File Chooser
2023-07-09 01:28:16	greentail	Namarrgon, so if I want to avoid the GTK FileChooser, my only alternatives are KDE integration and Gnome integration? 
2023-07-09 01:30:54	Namarrgon	i think it defaults to gnome's filepicker already
2023-07-09 01:33:26	Namarrgon	but if you want it to open the "inode/directory" types in a particular "filemananger" then you need to set the mimetype instead
2023-07-09 01:33:52	greentail	Namarrgon, what's inode-directory?
2023-07-09 01:35:08	Namarrgon	https://specifications.freedesktop.org/shared-mime-info-spec/shared-mime-info-spec-latest.html#idm46148003075904
2023-07-09 01:35:09	phrik	Title: Shared MIME-info Database (at specifications.freedesktop.org)
2023-07-09 01:35:48	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Default_applications
2023-07-09 01:35:49	phrik	Title: Default applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-09 01:35:51	Namarrgon	good luck
2023-07-09 01:37:19	greentail	Namarrgon, thanks. What does "inode" stand for? Is it like a node from Apple? So like iNode?  
2023-07-09 01:37:51	Namarrgon	the filesystem kind of "inode", a data structure
2023-07-09 01:38:40	greentail	Namarrgon, oh, wikipedia says it stands for "index node"
2023-07-09 01:41:56	greentail	I just realized it wasn't Firefox that was the problem. It's Flameshot. Whenever I want to save a screenshot, Flameshot shows me a fileChooser GUI that's different form the one in Firefox. And that Flameshot GUi doesn't let me sort by lastModifiedDate.  How can i fix that?
2023-07-09 01:42:27	digital_mystik	howdy.. I am curious about setting up secure boot on my system, and was wondering about the wiki entry for automatic signing via sbctl and systemd-boot.. should I add the sbctl command to the systemd-boot-update.service file to automate this and chattr it, or is there a better way?
2023-07-09 01:42:27	digital_mystik	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface/Secure_Boot#Automatic_signing_with_the_pacman_hook
2023-07-09 01:42:28	phrik	Title: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface/Secure Boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-09 01:42:54	digital_mystik	just want a way to set it and forget it when doing updates
2023-07-09 01:49:15	digital_mystik	or make a new service file that runs after systemd-boot-update.service?
2023-07-09 01:52:45	digital_mystik	err wait.. the sbctl sign -s ... command is a one and done and updates it after every systemd update? sorry for not understanding.. my brain is foggy today
2023-07-09 01:52:50	tirnanog	greentail: in arch, firefox always uses the file picker from the GTK toolkit. flameshot, being a Qt app, uses its file picker (which does, in fact, allow for sorting by date).
2023-07-09 01:54:28	greentail	tirnanog, I just took a Flameshot screenshot right now. And the FileChoose doesn't let me sort by date. There is a button that says "list view" and "detail view"; and none of those options let me sort by lastModifiedDate. 
2023-07-09 01:55:10	tirnanog	there shold be a sorting button on the toolbar.
2023-07-09 01:55:39	tirnanog	alternatively, right-click within the area where the files are being rendered.
2023-07-09 01:55:54	greentail	tirnanog, am using i3wm. You sure there should be a sorting button even if I have none of GNome, KDE, etc ?
2023-07-09 01:56:41	MacGyver	If it's designed like any detail view ever, then if date is displayed in detail view, just clicking on the date column header should sort by date.
2023-07-09 01:56:44	tirnanog	there should be. what's the procedure you're going t hrough?
2023-07-09 01:56:52	MacGyver	If it's not designed like that, we'll need screenshots.
2023-07-09 01:57:00	greentail	tirnanog, the "toolbar" only has "parent dir", "create dir", "list view", and "detail view".  
2023-07-09 01:57:24	greentail	MacGyver, you would expect that, that a DetailView would have a button that says "Date" or sth
2023-07-09 01:58:01	greentail	tirnanog, I press PrtScr to take a screenshot, then press Ctrl+a to select the whole screen, then press Ctrl+s, then it shows me a GUI where I can choose in what dir I want to save the file in.  
2023-07-09 01:58:01	MacGyver	No, but I would expect it to have a column header.
2023-07-09 01:58:42	MacGyver	And the screenshots I can find for the Qt file picker has a date column header.
2023-07-09 01:59:14	greentail	MacGyver, I just tried to take a screenshot of the Flameshot file picker, but it doesn't let me. Apparently you can't run Flameshot inside Flameshot.  
2023-07-09 01:59:23	MacGyver	:')
2023-07-09 02:01:37	greentail	MacGyver, I just found what the problem is. I had to press Meta+r , and then press the right arrow until the window is wide enough to show the Date column. Now, I tried to take another screenshot, but the window returns to its natural small size. That means that I have to embiggen the window every single time I take a screenshot if I want to see the Date column. How can I fix that?  
2023-07-09 02:02:06	tirnanog	I think it's actually not using the Qt file picker, based on your description.
2023-07-09 02:02:32	greentail	tirnanog, I just googled images for "flameshot file chooser" and none of the images show what I see on my computer
2023-07-09 02:03:47	tirnanog	in that case, it must be employing some heuristic to determine which to use and it's not going for Qt. there's a bug complaining about there being no apparent means to control it.
2023-07-09 02:04:42	tirnanog	or maybe it uses xdg-destkop-portal. I can't tell from reading this. it's very unclear.
2023-07-09 02:05:23	MacGyver	greentail: You can configure i3 to do automatic handling of window type/class combinations, including making them tiling instead of floating, and setting their geometry.
2023-07-09 02:06:20	greentail	tirnanog, all the time i've been using this system, I've seen only two FileChooser GUI. One is the one that Firefox usually shows me whenever I want to save a file. That GUI is fine. The other GUI is the one that Flameshot shows me, which is the problem we are discussing now. But I have to add, that Flameshot GUI is also shown by some websites when I need to download and save a file. I don't
2023-07-09 02:06:20	greentail	remember any of those specific websites to reproduce the 
2023-07-09 02:06:20	greentail	problem, but I know it does happen in those rare websites too.  
2023-07-09 02:06:22	MacGyver	greentail: E.g. for online lectures using pdfpc for slide showing I have this defined: for_window [class="Pdfpc" title="presentation"] fullscreen disable, floating enable, resize set 964 742, move absolute position 1300 70, move container to workspace 5
2023-07-09 02:07:09	MacGyver	greentail: You can figure out what class/title combination the flameshot file chooser gets by starting `xprop` while it's open and clicking on it.
2023-07-09 02:08:22	MacGyver	greentail: You may also be interested to know that you can resize floating windows in i3 by either right-click-holding their title bar and dragging the mouse around, or pressing the floating_modifier (defaults to the same mod key as everything else) and right-click-holding anywhere in the window.
2023-07-09 02:11:00	greentail	thank you MacGyver , very cool!  
2023-07-09 02:11:50	greentail	MacGyver, I just ran xprop, and got like 20 lines. What's the next step?
2023-07-09 02:14:00	MacGyver	greentail: The xprop output after clicking on that dialog should say something along the lines WM_CLASS(STRING) = ...
2023-07-09 02:14:18	MacGyver	The first string there is the title, the second the class. I think.
2023-07-09 02:14:23	MacGyver	Might be the other way around.
2023-07-09 02:14:41	greentail	MacGyver,  WM_CLASS(STRING) = "flameshot", "flameshot" 
2023-07-09 02:14:53	MacGyver	Well that might poop on your party.
2023-07-09 02:15:10	MacGyver	Does flameshot produce any *other* windows?
2023-07-09 02:15:15	MacGyver	Or is it just this one dialog?
2023-07-09 02:15:38	greentail	MacGyver, what screenshot tool you use? 
2023-07-09 02:15:53	greentail	MacGyver, there's a window of config for Flameshot.  
2023-07-09 02:16:10	greentail	MacGyver, what do you mean that that line is a p00p on my party? 
2023-07-09 02:16:50	MacGyver	I mean that that's probably not enough information to distinguish between different flameshot windows.
2023-07-09 02:16:57	MacGyver	If the config identifies as the same.
2023-07-09 02:17:27	greentail	MacGyver, I just opened the cofig window of Flameshot, and got this:  WM_CLASS(STRING) = "flameshot", "flameshot"
2023-07-09 02:17:27	greentail	  
2023-07-09 02:17:47	MacGyver	Can you pastebin the full xprop output of both?
2023-07-09 02:18:50	MacGyver	Oh I'm wrong btw, the first string in class isn't the title, but instance. Which is why I'm asking for the full output, I want to see whether there's distinguishers in the X properties that i3 can work with here.
2023-07-09 02:19:29	greentail	MacGyver, am using tmux+alacritty. The output covers more than my screen, so I cannot select it with the mouse. How can I copy and paste it to the webapp of the pastebin app?  
2023-07-09 02:19:40	MacGyver	!give greentail paste
2023-07-09 02:19:41	phrik	greentail: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-07-09 02:19:51	MacGyver	!give greentail ix
2023-07-09 02:19:51	phrik	greentail: <command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2023-07-09 02:20:09	MacGyver	^ So that becomes xprop |& curl ...
2023-07-09 02:21:28	MacGyver	Also you might want to learn about tmux's scrollback control but that's a separate issue that I really don't have time to get into right now.
2023-07-09 02:22:10	greentail	MacGyver,  https://bpa.st/PSU42  
2023-07-09 02:22:11	phrik	Title: View paste PSU42 (at bpa.st)
2023-07-09 02:24:06	MacGyver	Right, that's the configuration window, meaning we can probably expect the file chooser to also have a distinguisher in the title. Maybe even a defined window role. Can you pastebin it for the file chooser?
2023-07-09 02:25:18	greentail	MacGyver,  https://bpa.st/FAYBI
2023-07-09 02:25:20	phrik	Title: View paste FAYBI (at bpa.st)
2023-07-09 02:27:55	MacGyver	Then `for_window [class="flameshot" instance="flameshot" title="Save screenshot"] resize set 900 720` in the i3 config should do. You could add a type="dialog" but I don't think that's necessary.
2023-07-09 02:28:10	greentail	So I just found someone with almost my same problem. The screenshot in the following GH comment is almost the same as mine, except in my case the top bar is blue, and the phrase "Save screeshot" is left-positioned, not centered.  
2023-07-09 02:28:11	greentail	https://github.com/flameshot-org/flameshot/issues/2628#issuecomment-1626081307 
2023-07-09 02:30:10	MacGyver	Yeah that's not something I'm going to be able to fix; all I can help with is explaining auto-resizing in i3.
2023-07-09 02:31:06	greentail	Mod Shift c , to reload i3wm confie file, i guess
2023-07-09 02:31:10	MacGyver	Yeah.
2023-07-09 02:31:25	MacGyver	And I might have gotten the dimensions the wrong way around, you'll have to play with the actual numbers.
2023-07-09 02:31:37	greentail	MacGyver, it works!   
2023-07-09 02:32:27	greentail	MacGyver, now how can I center the window? Like, it's bigger now, but how can I center it using i3wm config? 
2023-07-09 02:33:12	MacGyver	greentail: Add a ", move position center" after the resize command.
2023-07-09 02:34:08	greentail	MacGyver, thank you MacGyver, very cool!  
2023-07-09 02:34:35	MacGyver	greentail: You'll probably want to just do a cursory read through https://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html to get a feel for what i3 can do.
2023-07-09 02:34:35	phrik	Title: i3: i3 User’s Guide (at i3wm.org)
2023-07-09 02:35:02	greentail	MacGyver,  now let's say I want to position the window somewhere between the center and the top edge, how can i do that? (Like specifying coordinates) 
2023-07-09 02:35:49	MacGyver	greentail: By specifying coordinates. See https://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#move_direction
2023-07-09 02:35:50	phrik	Title: i3: i3 User’s Guide (at i3wm.org)
2023-07-09 02:36:45	topcat001	Notice how easy it was to read and understand the relatively complex operation that MacGyver posted (nice example). This is one of the reasons I like i3.
2023-07-09 02:37:58	greentail	what screenshot tool you guys use?  
2023-07-09 02:38:15	MacGyver	maim -k -s
2023-07-09 02:38:23	MacGyver	(Aliased to import)
2023-07-09 02:38:57	MacGyver	(Which itself is the screenshot command from imagemagick, but that has some nasty artifacting behaviour with rectangle selection)
2023-07-09 02:39:37	greentail	MacGyver, I just ran `$ import` and chose a rectangle. Where is my screenshot saved at? 
2023-07-09 02:41:02	MacGyver	That is a *very* good question to which I no longer know the answer. maim just outputs it to stdout so you have to redirect it into the file or clipboard yourself. Dunno what imagemagick does by default.
2023-07-09 02:41:19	MacGyver	I'd assume it gets put in the directory where you ran `import`.
2023-07-09 02:41:37	MacGyver	So the mystery may be solved by `mkdir test; cd test; import; ls`
2023-07-09 02:41:58	greentail	MacGyver, I actually ran `$ import --help` , and it saved the pic into a file called `--help`  ; obviously i want to rename that file, but `mv` doesn't work.  
2023-07-09 02:42:05	MacGyver	Hahahah
2023-07-09 02:42:07	greentail	How can I rename a file called "--help" ?
2023-07-09 02:42:14	MacGyver	Because you're trying `mv --help`? :p
2023-07-09 02:42:16	MacGyver	Yeah.
2023-07-09 02:42:21	MacGyver	Another trick you're learning today.
2023-07-09 02:42:29	MacGyver	`mv -- --help whatever`
2023-07-09 02:43:06	MacGyver	A separate -- signals to *most* command line programs that the options are over and whatever follows should be taken literally as filenames (or whatever other kind of input the program expects at the end)
2023-07-09 02:43:32	greentail	MacGyver, it worked, thanks! 
2023-07-09 02:44:42	greentail	MacGyver, so I renamed the file to file.jpg, and then to file.png, but in neither case `eog` can open it. And `ls` says the file has a size of 1.3M ; so how can I open the file? 
2023-07-09 02:44:57	MacGyver	Run `file file.jpg`
2023-07-09 02:45:06	MacGyver	It'll tell you what it actually is.
2023-07-09 02:47:46	greentail	MacGyver, https://paste.rs/ZC5Rh.txt  
2023-07-09 02:47:47	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-07-09 02:48:05	MacGyver	Yes. That seems clear enough to me.
2023-07-09 02:48:12	MacGyver	Line 2 is telling you what to do.
2023-07-09 02:48:36	MacGyver	(And so is line 3)
2023-07-09 02:50:06	greentail	MacGyver, why is it that when I run `$ import --help` , it takes a screenshot and saves it into a file named `--help` ?  
2023-07-09 02:50:25	MacGyver	Because `import` is a different program that doesn't have the --help option.
2023-07-09 02:50:51	MacGyver	`import` is the *imagemagick* screenshot command.
2023-07-09 02:51:06	MacGyver	`maim` is an entirely different program, and *I* have `maim -k -s` *aliased* to import.
2023-07-09 02:51:28	MacGyver	Because I needed to replace imagemagick and muscle memory dies hard.
2023-07-09 02:51:50	greentail	MacGyver, why you need to replace imagemagick? 
2023-07-09 02:52:07	MacGyver	Because of the aforementioned nasty artifacting behaviour with rectangle selection.
2023-07-09 02:52:55	MacGyver	It would show an old version of the selecting rectangle *in* the screenshot.
2023-07-09 02:54:31	greentail	MacGyver, you also mentioned the scroll thing in tmux? I press Ctrl+b and then PgUp to scroll tmux. But still don't know how to select and copy text from tmux while I'm scrolling. 
2023-07-09 02:54:48	MacGyver	Well, for one thing, the mouse still works.
2023-07-09 02:54:59	MacGyver	But iirc tmux also has a kind of visual selection mode a la vim.
2023-07-09 02:55:04	MacGyver	I never use it myself.
2023-07-09 02:55:09	MacGyver	You'll want to check the docs.
2023-07-09 02:55:15	MacGyver	It's bedtime for me.
2023-07-09 02:55:30	greentail	MacGyver, what do you mean "mouse still works"? 
2023-07-09 02:55:59	MacGyver	You select, using the mouse, a chunk of text currently on screen and paste that in the target, then you scroll further in tmux, select again, etc.
2023-07-09 02:56:42	greentail	MacGyver, oh yeah, i can do that. I just thought there is a way to do that in one go. But it must be in the docs, as you said
2023-07-09 02:57:06	MacGyver	Yeah the way to do it in one go is probably the visual select mechanism.
2023-07-09 02:57:18	greentail	MacGyver, thank you for all the help today! Have a nice rest  
2023-07-09 02:57:25	MacGyver	Good luck :)
2023-07-09 03:02:54	topcat001	greentail: tmux set -g mode-keys vi (if you are so inclined)
2023-07-09 03:03:18	greentail	topcat001, after I run that in my terminal, how can I undo it? 
2023-07-09 03:03:31	topcat001	greentail: tmux set -g mode-keys emacs
2023-07-09 03:03:48	greentail	topcat001, wait, so the default is emacs? 
2023-07-09 03:04:06	topcat001	because the author is an emacs user :)
2023-07-09 03:04:23	⚡ 	gehidore disowns tmux
2023-07-09 03:04:36	greentail	topcat001, Ok I ran your vi command. Now how can I select text?
2023-07-09 03:04:40	topcat001	I added a lot of vi features to it lol
2023-07-09 03:05:06	topcat001	I think the default key table has space bound to begin-selection
2023-07-09 03:05:11	topcat001	press space
2023-07-09 03:05:46	greentail	topcat001, pressing space just types a space into my shell
2023-07-09 03:06:33	topcat001	ctrl-space in emacs mode, space in vi mode
2023-07-09 03:06:53	topcat001	you already have to be in copy mode
2023-07-09 03:07:08	greentail	topcat001, how can I enter copy mode?
2023-07-09 03:07:26	topcat001	prefix (ctrl+b) [
2023-07-09 03:07:35	topcat001	(also please ask in #tmux? :))
2023-07-09 03:08:04	greentail	topcat001, it works, thanks
2023-07-09 03:16:31	topcat001	np
2023-07-09 03:39:36	greentail	How can I set the value of $EDITOR ?
2023-07-09 03:41:01	Scimmia	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Environment_variables
2023-07-09 03:41:03	phrik	Title: Environment variables - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-09 03:57:28	greentail	https://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/7916/put-a-console-clock-in-top-right-corner
2023-07-09 03:57:31	phrik	Title: Put a console clock in top right corner Using sleep, tput (at www.commandlinefu.com)
2023-07-09 03:57:48	greentail	I just ran that command. How do you k1ll that command?
2023-07-09 03:58:34	gehidore	greentail you continue to launch into offtopic here, it's time to stop, this isn't your personal Google
2023-07-09 04:00:13	rcf	It's more a personal bing 
2023-07-09 04:04:42	coruja	wait, isn't this chatgpt irc here?
2023-07-09 04:12:42	BrainDamage	!grab coruja
2023-07-09 04:12:42	phrik	BrainDamage: Tada!
2023-07-09 04:13:37	DigitalKiwi	no that's #haskell i'm convinced that a few of them have been AI for years
2023-07-09 04:17:30	greentail	is ChatGPT written in Haskell?  
2023-07-09 04:17:54	bougyman	unlikely
2023-07-09 04:18:02	bougyman	it's probably a mess of python.
2023-07-09 04:18:03	bougyman	maybe some R
2023-07-09 04:25:37	rcf	coruja: as an AI language model....
2023-07-09 04:26:12	DeepDayze	I'd say R would been a good language as well as a logic language such as Prolog
2023-07-09 04:45:59	susi	gey....
2023-07-09 04:46:00	susi	hey*
2023-07-09 04:46:31	susi	are we alrait- tonite?
2023-07-09 06:57:55	Gnana	sudo pacman -Syu not showing any updates?
2023-07-09 06:57:58	Gnana	today
2023-07-09 06:58:14	Gnana	:: Synchronizing package databases...
2023-07-09 06:58:16	Gnana	 core is up to date
2023-07-09 06:58:18	Gnana	 extra is up to date
2023-07-09 06:58:20	Gnana	 multilib is up to date
2023-07-09 06:58:22	Gnana	:: Starting full system upgrade...
2023-07-09 06:58:24	Gnana	 there is nothing to do
2023-07-09 06:58:33	Gnana	Linux ArchLinux 6.1.38-hardened1-1-hardened #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Wed, 05 Jul 2023 20:01:48 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2023-07-09 07:12:57	rabbitnightmare	whoever broke iwd needs to be hung upside down and beaten relentlessly with a hose
2023-07-09 07:13:25	rabbitnightmare	why doesn't it give me an ip address when I connect anymore?
2023-07-09 07:13:33	rabbitnightmare	jesus christ
2023-07-09 07:14:52	rabbitnightmare	why in fucks name did you remove the DHCP client from iwd????
2023-07-09 07:15:29	rabbitnightmare	there is NO WAY to connect this system via lan cable
2023-07-09 07:15:37	rabbitnightmare	it has to be wifi
2023-07-09 07:16:15	rabbitnightmare	can you please in the name of all that is good and holy stop breaking the goddamn ico
2023-07-09 07:16:17	rabbitnightmare	iso
2023-07-09 07:16:30	rabbitnightmare	is that too much to askl
2023-07-09 07:18:07	rabbitnightmare	it is the single most infuriating thing I have ever ran into, if its not one thing it's another with you people constantly breaking the iso
2023-07-09 07:18:23	rabbitnightmare	it has been 8 goddamn days
2023-07-09 07:18:47	rabbitnightmare	last month I reported iwctl was broken AND IT REMAINS BROKEN IN THE CURRENT ISO
2023-07-09 07:20:40	plasmoduck	also the update to python-pillow 10.0.0.1 has broken ueberzug image previews in lf, ytfzf etc
2023-07-09 07:21:55	rcf	rip
2023-07-09 07:22:33	plasmoduck	I know it's a "hack", but it's a nice hack.
2023-07-09 07:22:57	plasmoduck	better then w3m
2023-07-09 07:23:09	plasmoduck	and nothing supports sixel
2023-07-09 07:23:16	rcf	lies
2023-07-09 07:23:24	rcf	foot supports it I believe 
2023-07-09 07:23:24	plasmoduck	well at least not what I use
2023-07-09 07:23:33	plasmoduck	suckless st terminal
2023-07-09 07:24:19	plasmoduck	I use st because of the excellent patches, mainly this one https://st.suckless.org/patches/externalpipe/
2023-07-09 07:24:20	phrik	Title: st - simple terminal | suckless.org software that sucks less (at st.suckless.org)
2023-07-09 07:24:33	rcf	Does st not have a sixel patch? 
2023-07-09 07:25:22	plasmoduck	I can just press alt+u in my term and shows a list of urls in dmenu and when I select one it pipes it to my url/uri handler script
2023-07-09 07:25:56	plasmoduck	nope
2023-07-09 07:26:13	rcf	rip
2023-07-09 09:54:00	utkarshsingh	Hi
2023-07-09 09:54:25	luna_	hey
2023-07-09 09:56:05	utkarshsingh	I'm trying to use AUR packages: 'aws-sam-cli' and 'python39'
2023-07-09 09:56:15	utkarshsingh	But it gives me the following error:
2023-07-09 09:56:21	utkarshsingh	Error: PythonPipBuilder:ResolveDependencies - pip executable not found in your python environment at /usr/bin/python3.9
2023-07-09 09:56:56	utkarshsingh	How can I get pip for Python 3.9?
2023-07-09 09:58:45	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-07-09 10:08:05	arch-nemesis	python-pip package
2023-07-09 10:08:16	sheep	python-pip is python 3.11
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2023-07-09 10:09:50	arch-nemesis	oh. in that case I think you can probably use a virtualenv with 3.9 yeah?
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2023-07-09 10:11:13	utkarshsingh	Okay. But how can I have pip in that .venv?
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2023-07-09 10:14:56	arch-nemesis	the virtualenv will have it's own pip. Personally, I'd not install aws-cli with the AUR, you can pip install it with the venv
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2023-07-09 10:17:02	arch-nemesis	There are tools for managing virtualenvs for you, but if you aren't already using one of those, you can do "python39 -m venv myvenv" and then activate it with "source myvenv/bin/activate" 
2023-07-09 10:17:39	utkarshsingh	Great! BTW what do you think about pyenv?
2023-07-09 10:18:13	arch-nemesis	yeah pyenv works well. Definitely better than what I just told you :P but I didn't want to confuse you and throw in more tools.
2023-07-09 10:18:38	utkarshsingh	No problem! I will try pyenv
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2023-07-09 10:19:19	utkarshsingh	I'm using https://realpython.com/intro-to-pyenv/ for ref
2023-07-09 10:19:21	phrik	Title: Managing Multiple Python Versions With pyenv – Real Python (at realpython.com)
2023-07-09 10:20:12	arch-nemesis	nice
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2023-07-09 10:40:36	utkarshsingh	What is your workflow with aws-cli and sam-cli?
2023-07-09 10:40:58	brocellous	just my 2c, but I think most of the venv manager type software is pretty bad. Even the default activate script provided by python -m venv is an inflexible clunky mess when it's only real job is to add 1 entry to PATH. Everything that wraps it only adds to the problem.
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2023-07-09 10:42:05	utkarshsingh	Okay, what's your way of dealing with the problem?
2023-07-09 10:42:27	brocellous	I instead use these custom functions, which are _much_ shorter, allow properly customizing the prompt, and I have zsh completions for them: https://git.sr.ht/~brocellous/dotfiles/tree/master/item/.local/share/zsh/pyenv
2023-07-09 10:42:28	phrik	Title: ~brocellous/dotfiles: .local/share/zsh/pyenv/ - sourcehut git (at git.sr.ht)
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2023-07-09 10:42:44	brocellous	they replace functions of the same name from python virtualenvwrapper, which I used before.
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2023-07-09 10:43:17	brocellous	if I needed older versions of python as well, I would probabl install them from the aur and use them to create the venvs.
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2023-07-09 10:44:26	brocellous	And in my zshrc like so: https://git.sr.ht/~brocellous/dotfiles/tree/master/item/.hostconfig/rxps/zshrc#L1-4
2023-07-09 10:44:29	phrik	Title: ~brocellous/dotfiles: .hostconfig/rxps/zshrc - sourcehut git (at git.sr.ht)
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2023-07-09 10:45:40	brocellous	this recreates the prompt modification done by venv's "activate" script, but without actually dynamically modifying the prompt, which is error prone if something else modifies it inbetween. it just expands to nothing if no venv is active.
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2023-07-09 10:46:12	utkarshsingh	Okay. But can you tell me about the problems you faced with python -m venv?
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2023-07-09 10:47:22	brocellous	In my case I wanted to customize the prompt modification. I could make the venv name sppear somewhere else, or in the rprompt, or the terminal window title, etc.
2023-07-09 10:47:52	utkarshsingh	Makes sense
2023-07-09 10:48:26	brocellous	venv's activate script also needlessly exports PS1, which is annoying for subshells that don't set their own prompts.
2023-07-09 10:48:39	utkarshsingh	But my question is about aws-cli, do you use AUR or venv for it?
2023-07-09 10:48:57	brocellous	e.g. if you export PS1 then were to start sh, it would inherit PS1 from the parent zsh, which is in a format it doesn't understand and show garbage.
2023-07-09 10:49:38	brocellous	I haven't used aws-cli in years, sorry.
2023-07-09 10:49:48	utkarshsingh	No problem
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2023-07-09 10:54:31	brocellous	Seems like it's in the official repos?
2023-07-09 10:54:39	brocellous	!wtf is aws
2023-07-09 10:54:41	phrik	brocellous: core/ncurses extra/aws-cli extra/aws-cli-v2
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2023-07-09 10:56:53	brocellous	I'd prolly grab aws-cli-v2 from extra. Unless I'm missing something, I can't think of why you'd need to install the tool within a venv.
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2023-07-09 10:57:06	utkarshsingh	Yes, but arch-nemesis mentioned that they used venv for it. I was just curious.
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2023-07-09 11:02:16	brocellous	maybe if you only use it for your python projects, it could make sense.
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2023-07-09 12:32:39	lord4163	My laptop won't boot anymore after I upgraded my system yesterday. It stopped responding when pacman -Syu finished so I was forced to power it off using the power button.
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2023-07-09 12:33:24	lord4163	Now it's saying: "Error device PARTUUID=<my-uuid> not found"
2023-07-09 12:33:39	lord4163	and then it drops me into an emergency shell.
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2023-07-09 12:34:15	lord4163	Ran fsck and was able to mount the partitions from an Ubuntu live image.
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2023-07-09 12:38:20	teraflops	hmm iirc that is a known issue, system hanged when generating the initcpio image?
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2023-07-09 12:40:37	teraflops	I'd chroot (same as firsts installation steps) and reinstall linux package, if the issue persists give a try to lts-kernel 
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2023-07-09 12:41:51	lord4163	teraflops: pacman -Syu actually finished
2023-07-09 12:42:24	lord4163	but the last couple of weeks it wouldn't shutdown after updating the system
2023-07-09 12:42:29	teraflops	did -Syu installed linux package or ran mkinitcpio? 
2023-07-09 12:42:41	lord4163	Yes
2023-07-09 12:42:47	teraflops	if not, run mkinitcpio -P form inside the chroot
2023-07-09 12:42:52	teraflops	from^
2023-07-09 12:43:03	teraflops	then I guess you are ok to reboot and see
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2023-07-09 12:43:31	lord4163	I'll try :)
2023-07-09 12:43:35	teraflops	gl
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2023-07-09 12:47:08	nl6720	teraflops: is the known issue https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/77789 or something else?
2023-07-09 12:47:09	phrik	Title: FS#77789 : [systemd] updating resets keyboard layout / udev reload (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-07-09 12:47:20	teraflops	ah thanks
2023-07-09 12:47:48	teraflops	ah you were asking, lt me read it
2023-07-09 12:48:42	nl6720	from the looks of it, it should be the cause of all of this, but it doesn't look like there's any will to change the behaviour
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2023-07-09 13:07:00	charlie5	hi  guys ... would anyone know if the AUR helpers won't install a dependency, if it has been flagged out-of-date ?
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2023-07-09 13:07:54	charlie5	one package dependency (python-e3-core) is not being installed and the only unusual thing, i can see to exaplain it, is that it has been flagged out-of-date
2023-07-09 13:09:55	Antiz	charlie5: Nop, there's no reason a dependency isn't installed just for being flagged out of date. I assume this is because "python-e3-core" is an AUR package itself, thus it has to be installed manually by the user beforehand.
2023-07-09 13:11:03	charlie5	Antiz: yep, it's an AUR package ... but so are many other dependencies ... the AUR helpers are supposed to be able to install AUR dweps
2023-07-09 13:11:13	charlie5	dweps -> deps
2023-07-09 13:11:38	Namarrgon	what does "not being installed" mean? do you get an error?
2023-07-09 13:12:15	charlie5	i get an error when the package which depends on python-e3-core is being built
2023-07-09 13:12:33	charlie5	the error being that files from python-e3-core are not available
2023-07-09 13:12:35	Namarrgon	post the log
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2023-07-09 13:14:16	charlie5	ok, will do ... it may take a little while
2023-07-09 13:14:23	charlie5	... and thanks :)
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2023-07-09 13:37:56	charlie5	Namarrgon: here is the log ... https://gist.github.com/charlie5/178d1dc97196257ebb08780c9212555e
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2023-07-09 13:40:21	charlie5	here is the 'langkit' PKGBUILD ... https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=langkit
2023-07-09 13:40:21	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-07-09 13:41:04	charlie5	and the python-e3-core PKGBUILD ... https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=python-e3-core
2023-07-09 13:41:05	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2023-07-09 13:44:43	Namarrgon	charlie5: i assume that yay is okay with building python-e3-core directly?
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2023-07-09 13:48:33	Scimmia	charlie5: maintainer didn't increment the pkgrel after updating deps
2023-07-09 13:48:45	charlie5	Namarrgon: yes
2023-07-09 13:49:27	Scimmia	looks to me like yay doesn't see that there's an update because of that
2023-07-09 13:49:31	charlie5	Scimmia: hmm, ok ... i built in a clean install of arch, tho
2023-07-09 13:50:09	charlie5	so wouldn't it pull in python-e3-core, despite the pkrel ?
2023-07-09 13:50:40	charlie5	btw, i tired with yay, pacaur, pikaur and paru
2023-07-09 13:50:45	charlie5	<tried>
2023-07-09 13:50:55	charlie5	all showed the same behaviour
2023-07-09 13:51:18	Scimmia	I could be off, but I don't use helpers like that
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2023-07-09 13:51:27	charlie5	which makes me think there is something wrong with the PKGBUILDs
2023-07-09 13:51:43	charlie5	... but i can't see what's wrong
2023-07-09 13:52:00	charlie5	the only unusual aspect is the out-of-date flag on python-e3-core
2023-07-09 13:52:19	charlie5	... but that really shouldn't cause the dep to not be installed
2023-07-09 13:53:18	Namarrgon	the current PKGBUILD has the dep in depends= as well as in makedepends, same as in the SRCINFO
2023-07-09 13:53:36	Namarrgon	nuke yay's tempfiles/caches/whatever and try again
2023-07-09 13:53:42	charlie5	Namarrgon: yes, i tired that to try to force the install of the dep
2023-07-09 13:54:00	charlie5	the prob also occurs when it's just in 'makedepends'
2023-07-09 13:54:04	Namarrgon	make sure it's not using an old PKGBUILD
2023-07-09 13:54:25	charlie5	hmm, ok ... but as i mentioned i built in a clean install of arch
2023-07-09 13:54:39	Namarrgon	it built in a clean chroot?
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2023-07-09 13:55:08	Scimmia	charlie5: pacman -Q python-e3-core
2023-07-09 13:55:19	Namarrgon	the maintainer does some weird things in the PKGBUILD but it should still work afaics
2023-07-09 13:55:21	charlie5	no, just a cloned arch VM which has a minimal install of Arch
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2023-07-09 13:56:26	charlie5	Scimmia:  $ pacman -Q python-e3-core
2023-07-09 13:56:27	charlie5	                      python-e3-core 22.1.0-1
2023-07-09 13:56:43	Scimmia	so it's already installed, of course yay doesn't do it again
2023-07-09 13:58:46	charlie5	mm, right you are
2023-07-09 13:59:05	charlie5	so i'm wondering why langkit throws an error
2023-07-09 13:59:09	charlie5	thanks, guys
2023-07-09 13:59:30	charlie5	i'll investigate that first, then get back to you if i find anything
2023-07-09 13:59:35	Scimmia	was it rebuilt for python 3.11?
2023-07-09 14:00:19	charlie5	i have python version 3.11.3
2023-07-09 14:01:10	Scimmia	but was the package in question built for that version?
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2023-07-09 14:02:08	Namarrgon	ls -d /usr/lib/python*
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2023-07-09 14:06:48	charlie5	ok, *think* i've got it
2023-07-09 14:06:53	charlie5	$ locate python | grep e3 | grep core
2023-07-09 14:06:54	charlie5	/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/e3_core-22.1.0-py3.10-nspkg.pth
2023-07-09 14:07:08	charlie5	it's there for python version 3.10
2023-07-09 14:07:11	Namarrgon	pacman -Qo /usr/lib/python3.10
2023-07-09 14:07:19	Namarrgon	rebuild all the packages that still have files in there
2023-07-09 14:07:41	charlie5	but not for python version 3.11.3
2023-07-09 14:08:10	charlie5	$ pacman -Qo /usr/lib/python3.10
2023-07-09 14:08:11	charlie5	/usr/lib/python3.10/ is owned by python-e3-core 22.1.0-1
2023-07-09 14:08:11	charlie5	/usr/lib/python3.10/ is owned by python-e3-testsuite 24.0-1
2023-07-09 14:08:11	charlie5	/usr/lib/python3.10/ is owned by python-pep517 0.13.0-1
2023-07-09 14:09:37	Gnana	do sway works now with nvidia?
2023-07-09 14:09:56	Gnana	nvidia-dkms
2023-07-09 14:10:23	teraflops	yeah
2023-07-09 14:10:30	Gnana	it works?
2023-07-09 14:10:36	teraflops	install sway-nvidia from the aur
2023-07-09 14:10:41	charlie5	ok, so if the maintainer bumps pkgrel, it will rebuild/install those python packages for version 3.11.3 and all should work ok ?
2023-07-09 14:10:51	Gnana	;) ty teraflops 
2023-07-09 14:11:16	charlie5	Namarrgon: Scimmia ... thank you very much
2023-07-09 14:11:18	Scimmia	charlie5: it's the user's responsibility to rebuild when necessary, no pkgrel bump needed
2023-07-09 14:11:32	teraflops	at least it works very well here using nvidia blob Gnana 
2023-07-09 14:11:47	Namarrgon	charlie5: you neglected to rebuild the unofficial packages during the 3.11 migration
2023-07-09 14:11:52	charlie5	Scimmia: ah, ok
2023-07-09 14:11:56	Gnana	im installing it teraflops 
2023-07-09 14:12:05	charlie5	... and sorry about the wild goose chase :/
2023-07-09 14:12:19	teraflops	Gnana: then run sway-nvidia instead os sway to start it
2023-07-09 14:12:24	teraflops	os/of
2023-07-09 14:12:35	Gnana	ok
2023-07-09 14:12:46	Gnana	  -> Cloning sway-nvidia-1.0.7 git repo...
2023-07-09 14:12:48	Gnana	Cloning into bare repository '/home/shambho/Downloads/sway-nvidia/sway-nvidia-1.0.7'...
2023-07-09 14:12:50	Gnana	fatal: unable to access 'https://github.com/crispyricepc/sway-nvidia.git/': Failed to connect to github.com port 443 after 44 ms: Couldn't connect to server
2023-07-09 14:12:52	Gnana	==> ERROR: Failure while downloading sway-nvidia-1.0.7 git repo
2023-07-09 14:12:54	Gnana	    Aborting...  -> Cloning sway-nvidia-1.0.7 git repo...
2023-07-09 14:12:56	Gnana	Cloning into bare repository '/home/shambho/Downloads/sway-nvidia/sway-nvidia-1.0.7'...
2023-07-09 14:12:58	Gnana	fatal: unable to access 'https://github.com/crispyricepc/sway-nvidia.git/': Failed to connect to github.com port 443 after 44 ms: Couldn't connect to server
2023-07-09 14:12:59	charlie5	Namarrgon: right ... will def do so in the future! ... :)
2023-07-09 14:13:00	Gnana	==> ERROR: Failure while downloading sway-nvidia-1.0.7 git repo
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2023-07-09 14:13:07	teraflops	rip
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2023-07-09 14:13:12	jelle	how many times can a donkey
2023-07-09 14:13:25	charlie5	42?
2023-07-09 14:13:55	charlie5	mm, guess the old 42 gag is getting a bit tired these days :)
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2023-07-09 14:14:36	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-07-09 14:14:57	teraflops	Gnana: use a paste service
2023-07-09 14:16:18	Scimmia	Gnana: you do need access to github.com
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2023-07-09 14:16:55	Gnana	github.com time reachout
2023-07-09 14:18:27	jelle	Gnana: can you normally access github
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2023-07-09 14:30:44	Gnana	on phone  yes but not on laptop jelle
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2023-07-09 14:46:49	luc4	Hello! I followed the guide https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Rust_package_guidelines to create a pkgbuild for a cargo project. I'm getting the error "error: could not create home directory: '/.rustup': Read-only file system (os error 30)". Any idea what I did wrong?
2023-07-09 14:46:50	phrik	Title: Rust package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-09 14:48:24	ponies	luc4: typo? you have /. and it should be ~/.rustup ? 
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2023-07-09 14:49:30	luc4	ponies: I do not seem to have /.rustup anywhere. Are you referring to a specific part of the guide?
2023-07-09 14:50:44	ponies	well its making the folder in / ... 
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2023-07-09 14:51:11	luc4	ponies: I see, but not sure who is deciding that
2023-07-09 14:51:37	luc4	ponies: the error is in the prepare step, where I see this: "cargo fetch --locked --target "$CARCH-unknown-linux-gnu""
2023-07-09 14:52:26	ponies	so because you are building your own PKGBULID check the $pkgdir and $srcdir 
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2023-07-09 14:54:04	luc4	ponies: btw, this does not seems to happen when calling makepkg, but only with pamac.
2023-07-09 14:54:18	◣	jstein (~jstein@gentoo/developer/jstein) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2023-07-09 14:54:29	ponies	pamac? 
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2023-07-09 14:55:06	ponies	!notarch
2023-07-09 14:55:07	phrik	https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2023-07-09 14:55:49	luc4	ponies: isn't the AUR something arch-related?
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2023-07-09 14:56:27	ponies	pamac is not arch related, 3rd party package managers do not receive support here as they are unreliable 
2023-07-09 14:56:54	luc4	ponies: is there a more arch way I can test the package?
2023-07-09 14:57:11	ponies	you said makepkg was working ? 
2023-07-09 14:57:14	luc4	yes
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2023-07-09 14:58:02	ponies	from the wiki:  All Arch Linux packages should use the /usr directory. As seen in the /usr/share/pacman/PKGBUILD.proto file, the next two lines often look like this ... 
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2023-07-09 14:59:39	luc4	ponies: sorry, could not follow your last message. What /usr have to do with this?
2023-07-09 15:00:53	ponies	i recommend reading the wiki. like you said, makepkg works. thats really the end of the story here
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2023-07-09 15:01:14	luc4	ponies: I see. Ok, thanks!
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2023-07-09 15:02:38	MacGyver	I think there's a more fundamental problem here.
2023-07-09 15:02:39	MacGyver	luc4: Why is the PKGBUILD making .rustup?
2023-07-09 15:03:29	ponies	MacGyver: he is building it himself 
2023-07-09 15:03:39	luc4	MacGyver: probably simpler to see the pkgbuild: https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=cgrc
2023-07-09 15:03:40	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2023-07-09 15:06:16	luc4	I guess line 19 is the one trying to create /.rustup. But, as said, it seems that only pamac has a problem with that line. So I guess I should ask somewhere else.
2023-07-09 15:06:30	luc4	*line18 sorry
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2023-07-09 15:07:11	luc4	Maybe makepkg tries to create something like $somevar/.rustup...
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2023-07-09 15:07:22	MacGyver	Ooooh, I thought you meant makepkg itself works but the prepare step still fails.
2023-07-09 15:07:29	MacGyver	Yeah then it's a pamac problem.
2023-07-09 15:07:42	luc4	MacGyver: no, makepkg reaches the end I have the package
2023-07-09 15:07:53	luc4	MacGyver: actually... I did not try the package itself.
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2023-07-09 15:09:21	luc4	MacGyver: yes, the package makepkg created installs and works fine
2023-07-09 15:09:57	luc4	sorry for disturbing, it appears I'm in the wrong place
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2023-07-11 21:20:07	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1432 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1431 normals)
2023-07-11 21:20:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-07-11 21:20:25	pro	I installed spice tools on the guest...
2023-07-11 21:21:22	pro	to be precise, spice-guest-tools-latest
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2023-07-11 21:21:51	teraflops	spice guests tools that's it
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2023-07-11 21:22:24	teraflops	what is the graphics driver in use (in the guest)?
2023-07-11 21:22:34	MacGyver	Last time I looked into automatic resizing of a SPICE/GPU combo I needed to run SPICE/Virtio instead of SPICE/QXL to get it to work, and that had some annoying issues hanging the guest for minutes at a time.
2023-07-11 21:22:48	pro	and I have in my virt-viewer View -> Scale Display -> Auto resize VM with window
2023-07-11 21:23:12	pro	And I tried Virtio and VGA in my Host
2023-07-11 21:23:36	pro	QXL also didn't work
2023-07-11 21:23:50	pro	Let me check guest graphics driver!
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2023-07-11 21:24:26	pro	Microsoft Basic Display Adapter ?
2023-07-11 21:24:38	teraflops	for win11 guest (qemu ARM) I do virtio-ramfb-gl 
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2023-07-11 21:25:12	teraflops	pro: that's why you cannot get it to work properly
2023-07-11 21:25:27	pro	my windows knowledge is limited
2023-07-11 21:25:34	teraflops	grab the iso from redhat with the drivers
2023-07-11 21:25:50	teraflops	is not about windows knowledge
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2023-07-11 21:26:26	pro	so .iso has only drivers on it ?
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2023-07-11 21:27:56	teraflops	https://www.linux-kvm.org/page/WindowsGuestDrivers/Download_Drivers
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2023-07-11 21:30:21	teraflops	https://paste.priet.us/win.png
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2023-07-11 21:33:08	teraflops	pro and you'd have to tell the guest which gpu to use in virt-manager/qemu/whatever you use
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2023-07-11 21:34:04	MacGyver	I'm pretty confident but not entirely certain I did *have* it working in 2015ish with SPICE/QXL on Windows 7 with just a MS basic display adapter.
2023-07-11 21:34:13	MacGyver	But maybe I didn't and I just fullscreened 1080p.
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2023-07-11 21:34:28	MacGyver	And that VM hasn't been spun up since the paper was published.
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2023-07-11 21:35:21	pro	I'm struggling .... but thanks for showing me the way
2023-07-11 21:35:49	MacGyver	pro: Yeah this is not a nice, well-documented rabbit hole to jump into.
2023-07-11 21:36:38	teraflops	btw linux using virgl virtio-gpu-gl-pci has a very good 3d performance 
2023-07-11 21:37:52	teraflops	I do plain qemu on linux but on macos I use UTM because I'm lazy
2023-07-11 21:45:57	teraflops	pro: a workaround is to connect to the VM using RDP
2023-07-11 21:46:39	teraflops	been done for ages because the graphics capabilities on windows guests sucks
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2023-07-12 11:36:09	Furai	Yeah, right on the moneyi
2023-07-12 11:36:16	Furai	I'm not touching it ever again.
2023-07-12 11:37:01	Ennea	my thought the first time the pacman post-install hook told me to run the install again was "but why? it's working" :D
2023-07-12 12:03:25	madprops	pulec, https://old.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/7agkkq/vanilla_vs_zen_kernel/dpag1vp/
2023-07-12 12:03:27	phrik	Title: bediger4000 comments on Vanilla Vs Zen Kernel (at old.reddit.com)
2023-07-12 12:03:28	madprops	that's where i read it
2023-07-12 12:04:24	pulec	ok, but do you need other kernels?
2023-07-12 12:04:36	pulec	try it out for sure
2023-07-12 12:04:37	madprops	no im just researching
2023-07-12 12:04:44	pulec	test things and see
2023-07-12 12:41:24	kode54	This appears to be fun: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/intel-opencl-clang/
2023-07-12 12:41:26	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - intel-opencl-clang 15.0.0-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2023-07-12 12:42:02	kode54	An upstream blender issue seems to indicate this needs to be rebased against clang14
2023-07-12 12:42:25	kode54	Guess those 3 maintainers ran into issues
2023-07-12 12:56:44	zulc22	hello, i was wondering what i should use to automatically mount devices when they're plugged in, which are defined in fstab?
2023-07-12 12:57:32	zulc22	like mount -a does
2023-07-12 13:07:24	Ingar	zulc22: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/autofs
2023-07-12 13:07:26	phrik	Title: Autofs - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-12 13:08:33	Ingar	and systemd also has autopmount capabilities
2023-07-12 13:09:49	zulc22	is there an option in either of them to follow what fstab says? i don't really see one in the autofs page but maybe that's my fault
2023-07-12 13:10:11	zulc22	oh wait systemd's does
2023-07-12 13:10:23	Ingar	as  I remember, autofs uses its own config (has been a while since I used it)
2023-07-12 13:10:33	Ingar	systemd seems to do "on-demand" mounting from fstab entries
2023-07-12 13:10:47	Ingar	zulc22: the systemd one is probabely what you are looking for
2023-07-12 13:11:18	zulc22	can i configure it to run the autogenerated mount targets if the device is plugged in?
2023-07-12 13:11:40	zulc22	as the system is already configured, it makes no attempt to automount them
2023-07-12 13:12:09	Ingar	are they removable devices?
2023-07-12 13:12:20	zulc22	"yes" (no)
2023-07-12 13:12:43	throstur	recently, it seems that many times when I upgrade my packages, my keyboard layout is automatically changed to qwerty and I have to setxkbmap again manually. This is especially frustrating when I start an upgrade and then start doing something. How do I avoid this problem?
2023-07-12 13:12:46	zulc22	they're SATA hard drives in a USB dokc
2023-07-12 13:12:50	zulc22	*dock
2023-07-12 13:13:27	Ingar	throstur: get a qwerty keyb ;)
2023-07-12 13:13:39	Ingar	all jo0kes aside, a bit weird your layout changes
2023-07-12 13:14:21	Ingar	zulc22: configuring mounts is just editing the config files. it requires nothing.
2023-07-12 13:14:41	throstur	well even worse it changes to qwerty-us when I want to use dvorak-icelandic
2023-07-12 13:14:48	Ingar	using them obviosouyl requires the device to be connecte
2023-07-12 13:14:49	throstur	so even if I were a qwerty user it would still muck things up
2023-07-12 13:14:50	Ingar	d
2023-07-12 13:15:01	throstur	alt and super also get swapped
2023-07-12 13:15:08	zulc22	i apologize i am having trouble finding the relevant information to set it up this way in the systemd manual
2023-07-12 13:15:12	throstur	(my default configuration is to swap them)
2023-07-12 13:15:16	Scimmia	throstur: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/77789
2023-07-12 13:15:18	phrik	Title: FS#77789 : [systemd] updating resets keyboard layout / udev reload (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-07-12 13:15:45	Ingar	oh, now we have systemd fuxing the keyb layouts. great job.
2023-07-12 13:15:53	kode54	Funny udev issue there
2023-07-12 13:16:05	zulc22	are you saying it should 'just work'?
2023-07-12 13:16:15	kode54	I had a system update running in a terminal under gnome, and it killed my gnome session
2023-07-12 13:16:52	Ingar	zulc22: it 'just works' if your config is correct :p
2023-07-12 13:17:01	zulc22	configuration of what?
2023-07-12 13:17:14	zulc22	well like what file sorry that sounded dumb
2023-07-12 13:17:41	throstur	thanks Scimmia 
2023-07-12 13:18:10	Ingar	zulc22: just try setting up that automount thing for a single drive. see how it works in if it does what you want. and test what it does if the disk is NOT connected
2023-07-12 13:19:05	zulc22	i can't figure out how to set it up for one disk-- i imagine i should be creating the .automount myself but i don't know what the corresponding .mount that the docs imply could or is generated from fstab is called
2023-07-12 13:19:54	zulc22	ok found the unit names i guess it was just / replaced with -
2023-07-12 13:26:50	zulc22	i figured it out, it does exactly what i want it to
2023-07-12 13:52:09	dupondje	How long does it normally take for a extra-testing package to land in extra? Or somewhere to follow the progress? Or is it just when approved by maintainer :)
2023-07-12 13:53:05	BrainDamage	for critical packages, there's usually a round of signoff
2023-07-12 13:53:29	BrainDamage	for less critical stuff, it's some arbitrary time to give time for testers
2023-07-12 13:54:16	BrainDamage	there can be a case-by-case changes when there's eg a large rework concurrently or some dep that might get influenced
2023-07-12 14:25:08	docdrow	Anyone know of a plug-in for OBS or anything at all that can change your face in a webcam stream, like snapchat or Elgato for windows?
2023-07-12 14:25:19	docdrow	I can't find any of those frameworks for linux :(
2023-07-12 14:27:56	TheDcoder	Windows has snapchat?
2023-07-12 14:28:44	susi	snapchat's downloads page says: Get Snapchat for any device
2023-07-12 14:29:02	susi	microsoft store has it
2023-07-12 14:29:14	docdrow	Something like this: https://github.com/iperov/DeepFaceLive
2023-07-12 14:29:44	jelle	this is just creepy
2023-07-12 14:30:24	docdrow	I have OBS working in arch perfectly, green screen, chroma matching, etc. I just can't find any of this real-time AI stuff for linux 
2023-07-12 14:30:36	docdrow	which is silly considering most of these models are trained on linux systems
2023-07-12 14:36:58	docdrow	examples of others: facerig, CamMask, AlterCam, YouCam
2023-07-12 14:43:36	pulec	Ennea: related to amd talk few hours ago, it's memory clock being locked: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=286952
2023-07-12 14:43:37	phrik	Title: [Solved][amdgpu]severe graphics regression on 6.4.1 / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-07-12 14:43:59	Ennea	interesting. thanks for the update
2023-07-12 14:54:53	pulec	it says solved but I don't think so
2023-07-12 14:57:37	domker	I have such a user unit systemd to turn off Yamaha A/V: !paste https://pastebin.com/fedBAfn0 It works, but how to make it work only when shutting down the PC (currently it also works on reboot) I tried replacing "WantedBy=default.target" with "WantedBy=shutdown.target" but it doesn't work at all. In the older systemd it was easier to do, because you could use e.g. reboot.target as a conflict and
2023-07-12 14:57:37	domker	then the script did not execute.
2023-07-12 14:57:38	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/Hjbt.txt
2023-07-12 14:57:38	phrik	Title: [Unit]Description=Turn off the Yamaha AV while turning off the PCWants=netwo - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-07-12 15:00:18	sensille	i'm trying to get modelsim from lattice diamond to run. it requires a libbasgui.so.1, but i have no idea where it belongs to. my searching skills fail me
2023-07-12 15:01:14	Namarrgon	!pacman-file
2023-07-12 15:01:14	sensille	oh, nevermind. as always, asking helped. it comes with lattice
2023-07-12 15:01:15	phrik	Find out what package owns a file, even if the package isn't installed. pacman -Fy <file> (similar to !pkgfile)
2023-07-12 15:03:06	susi	domker: there's poweroff.target
2023-07-12 15:04:44	domker	@susi: I know, but in newer versions of systemd poweroff.target is not used and is disabled, so I can not use it.
2023-07-12 15:05:06	susi	are you absolutely sure about this
2023-07-12 15:05:42	docdrow	i think it's shutdown.target
2023-07-12 15:05:49	solsTiCe	hi. Is there yet antoher systemd bug about sleep and resume? It's been twice than I can't wake up my dkestop, once it has been put to sleep
2023-07-12 15:06:53	Namarrgon	suspend-to-ram?
2023-07-12 15:07:23	Namarrgon	i've had a few of those this year but i suspect it's the gpu driver not waking up
2023-07-12 15:07:51	Namarrgon	systemd has little influence on the process besides telling the kernel when to suspend
2023-07-12 15:08:26	susi	I have had this issue once or twice since linux 6.4
2023-07-12 15:08:34	susi	and never before, but it was also full -Syu anyways
2023-07-12 15:09:00	susi	but I think it has, in my case, something to do with the new kernel
2023-07-12 15:10:31	susi	domker: https://0x0.st/Hjbw.txt
2023-07-12 15:11:01	susi	domker: nvm, sorry
2023-07-12 15:11:25	solsTiCe	ok
2023-07-12 15:11:38	solsTiCe	intel IGPU here
2023-07-12 15:11:57	susi	same here
2023-07-12 15:14:24	susi	domker: maybe you could enbale the poweroff target; there seem to be stuff referencing it?
2023-07-12 15:14:30	carpenter	didn't nomacs use to be in the repo or am I remembering wrong?
2023-07-12 15:15:01	Namarrgon	carpenter: it was dropped to the AUR earlier this year
2023-07-12 15:16:00	carpenter	that's a shame!
2023-07-12 15:16:23	susi	domker: and then, put a file under systemd/system/systemd-poweroff.service.d
2023-07-12 15:16:47	carpenter	nomacs is the only linux image viewer I've ever liked
2023-07-12 15:16:54	susi	or maybe just depend on poweroff target, once it's enabled
2023-07-12 15:17:24	Namarrgon	domker: shutdown.target should be usable from the user session
2023-07-12 15:17:45	susi	Namarrgon: they want to run stuff only when really powering off, but not on reboot
2023-07-12 15:18:12	susi	how Arch makes sure Firefox does not auto-update or even notify about new updates?
2023-07-12 15:18:42	susi	maybe just app.update.auto = false is enough, hmm
2023-07-12 15:18:53	Namarrgon	there are  build-time options to disable it
2023-07-12 15:21:23	domker	susi: I'll try to do that. I wonder if my network connection will not turn off faster. (required for this script)
2023-07-12 15:27:43	TheDcoder	what happened to nomacs :(
2023-07-12 15:28:32	TheDcoder	was there any annoucement where it was mentioned why it was dropped?
2023-07-12 15:28:38	susi	I guess they realised vim's the choice 
2023-07-12 15:28:45	sl4n	lol
2023-07-12 15:28:50	sl4n	ya maybe
2023-07-12 15:28:50	susi	oh, it's not a emacs thingie
2023-07-12 15:28:53	susi	so nvm
2023-07-12 15:29:16	TheDcoder	it's an image viewer
2023-07-12 15:29:46	bswartz	VI > emacs
2023-07-12 15:29:46	susi	yeah, I already looked... sorry, vim's image handling features are still somewhat non-trivial
2023-07-12 15:30:23	TheDcoder	you guys are always looking for an excuse to show how superior vim is :P
2023-07-12 15:30:34	TheDcoder	nano > everything else
2023-07-12 15:30:41	TheDcoder	Geany > nano
2023-07-12 15:30:46	bswartz	ed > everything else
2023-07-12 15:30:50	Ennea	TheDcoder, to be honest, nomacs was mid as hell
2023-07-12 15:30:57	alad	!ed2
2023-07-12 15:30:58	phrik	https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html
2023-07-12 15:31:00	alad	!ed3
2023-07-12 15:31:02	phrik	ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!
2023-07-12 15:31:02	Ennea	so i don't exactly mind that it's gone
2023-07-12 15:31:04	alad	yes, this
2023-07-12 15:31:17	TheDcoder	Ennea: everything else was trash tier mostly, there are no good image viewers which aren't bloated ;(
2023-07-12 15:31:30	Scimmia	there's rarily announcements that specific packages get dropped. This was part of the spring cleanup, as you can see from the AUR git log
2023-07-12 15:31:42	Ennea	TheDcoder, i just run irfanview via wine
2023-07-12 15:31:57	TheDcoder	I don't use Wine
2023-07-12 15:32:01	Ennea	too bad ;p
2023-07-12 15:32:13	TheDcoder	I don't want Windows stuff corrupting my Linux
2023-07-12 15:32:42	demonicmaniac	TheDcoder: huh? there's always feh
2023-07-12 15:32:47	TheDcoder	I have it jailed in a separate user account which I exclusively use to play games.
2023-07-12 15:33:05	demonicmaniac	and for linux native irfanview like but not open source there's xnviewmp
2023-07-12 15:33:10	TheDcoder	demonicmaniac: it's one of the minimal tools, not comparable
2023-07-12 15:33:27	demonicmaniac	and xnviewmp isn't bloated at all 
2023-07-12 15:33:38	TheDcoder	Hmmm... might have to look into it then
2023-07-12 15:33:40	TheDcoder	thanks
2023-07-12 15:34:16	demonicmaniac	i guess most people just use their filemanager if they use one as imageviewer with thumbnails mode etc
2023-07-12 15:35:05	Ennea	irfanview is damn near perfect, too bad there's no linux native version of it
2023-07-12 15:35:47	rselim	scrot is a good image viewer
2023-07-12 15:35:54	qp	<-- nsxiv user 
2023-07-12 15:36:01	rselim	no wait is it called scrot i havent used X in ages
2023-07-12 15:36:09	rselim	feh!
2023-07-12 15:36:28	TheDcoder	sounds too similar to scrotum
2023-07-12 15:36:30	TheDcoder	:P
2023-07-12 15:37:07	Ennea	scrot is the one that takes screenshots
2023-07-12 15:37:49	rselim	Ennea: you can tell from the name. 'feh' is what I was thinking of though.
2023-07-12 15:38:00	demonicmaniac	but scrot is blot you can just import via imagemagick or graphicsmagick 
2023-07-12 15:38:03	TheDcoder	nothing beats flameshot for screenshots
2023-07-12 15:38:23	Ennea	flameshot is nice, but sharex on windows was just a tad nicer
2023-07-12 15:38:25	susi	I have never used a file manager on Linux, other than shell built-ins & coreutils tools
2023-07-12 15:38:41	susi	and it's not because of being super leet, just never saw a need for such a tool
2023-07-12 15:38:56	susi	maybe I keep my files organized in such a wa
2023-07-12 15:38:58	Ennea	qp, nsxiv seems really neat, i'll give that a try for sure, thanks
2023-07-12 15:39:01	TheDcoder	susi: not even natulis
2023-07-12 15:39:22	demonicmaniac	i like clex which is basically coreutils but you also get a display of files sortable by size/date/etc and tab completion for what you're currently on and selecting multiple
2023-07-12 15:39:47	rselim	clex sounds like it should be a lexer generator
2023-07-12 15:40:04	TheDcoder	h
2023-07-12 15:40:08	TheDcoder	*ha ha ha ha
2023-07-12 15:40:47	demonicmaniac	http://www.clex.sk/screenshots.html
2023-07-12 15:40:50	phrik	Title: CLEX File Manager (at www.clex.sk)
2023-07-12 15:41:19	rselim	looks like mc
2023-07-12 15:41:23	rselim	but less blue
2023-07-12 15:41:38	susi	demonicmaniac: you alse get these tab completions and sortable by size/date/etc with shell builtins 
2023-07-12 15:41:52	susi	at least with zsh, I mean
2023-07-12 15:41:53	demonicmaniac	susi: yes but not the always updated display you can scroll through all files
2023-07-12 15:41:57	demonicmaniac	or select with space/deselect
2023-07-12 15:42:22	susi	I don't need always-updated display, and I very rarely need any kind of files listing anyway
2023-07-12 15:42:31	demonicmaniac	this is a curses mc like display of current dir and such and tab completion for the file you are currently on in the display list or filenames in current dir not just filenames
2023-07-12 15:42:40	susi	I keep my files organized in such a way, that it's not random what's in where
2023-07-12 15:43:23	demonicmaniac	oh i'm not saying you need to use it just that it is some sugar but you still keep coreutils commands - i can't use any filemanager that doesn't offer me a full proper shell
2023-07-12 15:43:27	susi	and then there's this fzf feature: https://0x0.st/Hjbn.png
2023-07-12 15:43:41	susi	but even that I use very rarely, if ever
2023-07-12 15:47:36	susi	there's never that I need to 'browse' any files, I know what's in where, or at least what I'm looking for, and can find it easier than browsing through everything
2023-07-12 15:48:44	susi	even if there ever were a need for such a browser, I could just use firefox :)
2023-07-12 15:49:07	Ennea	susi, my files are also organized extremely well and i know where everything is, but not having a GUI file manager/explorer would still feel very cumbersome
2023-07-12 15:49:22	Ennea	curious differences between the two of us ;p
2023-07-12 15:49:52	susi	you're using gui out of habit I guess :) and I'm working this way out of habit, too
2023-07-12 15:50:38	Ennea	yea. i got used to stuff like being able to start typing the name of a file or folder to have the "cursor" move to it
2023-07-12 15:51:44	susi	I think it's more optimal with TUI, and I have a diagnosed optimizititis
2023-07-12 15:52:21	Ennea	we can probably both find cases where our preferred choice comes out on top :)
2023-07-12 15:55:52	susi	moving your hand afk for a mouse/pointer, and then 'browsing through the screen' takes some valuable time, and you could type something like 15-25 chars at that time
2023-07-12 15:56:16	demonicmaniac	trackpoint supremacy
2023-07-12 15:57:41	susi	..and then putting your hand back at the keyboard... in total, you easily could have typed 30+ characters instead of doing the whole process
2023-07-12 15:58:50	lac	browse with nnn, fff, or ranger :)
2023-07-12 16:02:26	qp	*vifm
2023-07-12 16:03:15	qp	Ennea: you can also have bookmarks (vifm), press 'h and you move to the home folder, or any other you set up
2023-07-12 16:03:28	qp	it's not comparable to gui fm (used thunar before)
2023-07-12 16:03:55	susi	lac: but the point is... why would I ever need to browse my files
2023-07-12 16:04:06	vagozino	I'm having trouble getting the xv6 https://github.com/mit-pdos/xv6-public operating system running in qemu. I've tried downgrading binutils but it doesn't work. Running the OS through an Ubuntu docker container works though.
2023-07-12 16:04:24	susi	this is something I have thought about for real, why do people 'browse' their files? are they looking for something, or what
2023-07-12 16:04:37	susi	and even then, wouldn't there be more efficient ways of finding what they are looking for
2023-07-12 16:06:08	susi	if anything, I may browse images/pics sometimes, but even then it's `feh pics/img_<sometag>*', and I browse with feh - press d to show the filename when I find what I'm looking for, and then do with the file what I were about to do with it after finding the right one
2023-07-12 16:08:18	lac	sometimes you wanna fly throuh directories without needing to cd
2023-07-12 16:08:36	qp	susi: dropped tree view from nvim due to telescope searching directly for files or what's in files, for the system though, it helps me organize the file tree if i can see it, neat freak
2023-07-12 16:14:18	tirnanog	susi: you're probably not a hoarder. also, browsing is an activity material to the process of reorganising data (reworking a directory heirarchy perhaps).
2023-07-12 16:18:41	tirnanog	in a sense, it's like asking why ls(1) is useful or why we tend to prefer visual editors instead of ed(1) for interactive uses now.
2023-07-12 16:21:27	Ennea	susi, i browse my files to get to them ;D music, videos, images, ...
2023-07-12 16:24:42	qp	you can bookmark those dirs and go to them with 2 keystrokes
2023-07-12 16:24:52	qp	then /filename and you're on it :)
2023-07-12 16:25:31	Ingar	bookmarks are nice if you have two or three
2023-07-12 16:25:55	Ingar	my pictures archive spans 4 decades, it's nice to browse it eve3ry now and then
2023-07-12 16:29:45	qp	depends on how you structured it, my pictures span 3 decades and are all yyyy-mm-dd hh-mm-ssss, so /year and I'm there :D
2023-07-12 16:34:52	tirnanog	if you can remember every event of the past 3 decades to the year, that's impressive. let's say you do. you navigate to the first file matching the year. is that definitely the one you're interested in? or might one need to browse to determine the file(s) of interest.
2023-07-12 16:35:01	tirnanog	oh well.
2023-07-12 16:39:27	Ingar	tirnanog: if you never browse your files, you're probabely better off deleting them :p
2023-07-12 16:40:14	Ingar	it's like browsing through a foto album, or a CD colelction, or a large stack of magazines
2023-07-12 16:47:10	feye	I have fstab with dir / and /efi and with options `defaults,noatime`, but in /proc/mounts all of them still use relatime except the one I specified in fstab, so how I change all of them to noatime instead of relatime?
2023-07-12 16:50:38	Oddmonger	when i was using msdos, i had a small utility called 'v' which was a text interface («curses» like) that make directory switching lighting fast
2023-07-12 16:51:31	Oddmonger	you just had to use cursor keys to move in the directory tree, and type beginning of the directory name to go to it even faster
2023-07-12 16:51:56	Oddmonger	is there such a tool for linux ? I'm using midnight-commander, but it's not very handy for that
2023-07-12 16:53:10	Oddmonger	ah « broot » seem to do the job
2023-07-12 16:55:31	Namarrgon	feye: so / and /efi show up with noatime in /proc/mounts? what other filesystems are mounted with "atime"?
2023-07-12 16:58:35	feye	Namarrgon: Yes, for / and /efi as expected use noatime, not other filesystems but other mountpoints(?) I think, like tmpfs, proc, run, dev, etc.
2023-07-12 16:59:06	Namarrgon	those are all pseudo- or ram-based filesystems
2023-07-12 16:59:26	feye	So can I change all of them to noatime or not?
2023-07-12 16:59:36	Namarrgon	why do you disable atime completely?
2023-07-12 17:00:06	feye	Hhmm I'm not sure but said noatime good for performance
2023-07-12 17:00:30	feye	atime your mean is relatime right?
2023-07-12 17:00:51	Namarrgon	you should always question suggestions you find on the internet
2023-07-12 17:01:08	Namarrgon	if you don't understand why a "guide" tells you do disable a default it should always explain why
2023-07-12 17:01:44	Namarrgon	relatime does neither disable nor enable atime, it only changes when the atime metadata is written to disk
2023-07-12 17:02:23	Namarrgon	you should read up on it, once you understand what relatime does you will likely reconsider your choice of disabling atime
2023-07-12 17:02:49	feye	It is on ArchWiki in ext4 article
2023-07-12 17:03:01	feye	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Ext4#Disabling_access_time_update
2023-07-12 17:03:03	phrik	Title: Ext4 - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-12 17:03:43	hiya	Are you able to make Device Security in Gnome Settings to show?
2023-07-12 17:04:04	Namarrgon	feye: it does not quantify the "cost"
2023-07-12 17:04:06	low-key	is there a way to hide the prompt that appears at the bottom left of man pages?
2023-07-12 17:04:26	Namarrgon	feye: if your / and /efi are on an ssd then you will not notice performance increase
2023-07-12 17:04:40	feye	I'm still using hdd
2023-07-12 17:05:06	Namarrgon	then you will still not notice any difference
2023-07-12 17:05:23	Namarrgon	did you read up on what 'relatime' does?
2023-07-12 17:06:06	nl6720	the only annoyance with relatime is "since Linux 2.6.30, the access time is always updated if the previous access time was more than 24 hours old" https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fstab#atime_options
2023-07-12 17:06:07	phrik	Title: fstab - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-12 17:06:14	nl6720	if that could be turned off, it would be perfect
2023-07-12 17:08:08	Namarrgon	feye: sorry, i meant 'lazytime' in my laste message
2023-07-12 17:10:03	nl6720	lazytime also updates timestamps on disk after more than 24 hours :(
2023-07-12 17:10:27	feye	nl6720: You can turnoff that with noatime :p
2023-07-12 17:11:22	nl6720	feye: I know. but, unless I'm wrong, with noatime updates to ctime/mtime do not update atime
2023-07-12 17:11:34	nl6720	I do use noatime, fwiw
2023-07-12 17:13:53	feye	nl6720: Are you still use relatime for "other" mountpoints like tmpfs ,dev, run, etc?
2023-07-12 17:14:26	feye	I mean how can change that?
2023-07-12 17:14:33	Namarrgon	you're not going to gain any performance from  in-memory filesystems by disabling atime
2023-07-12 17:14:34	nl6720	feye: no. there's not need for that with pseudo file systems that exist only in memory
2023-07-12 17:14:50	feye	Ok so it was in memory?
2023-07-12 17:14:57	nl6720	to change that you'd need to look into how systemd sets up those mounts
2023-07-12 17:15:52	nl6720	feye: run `findmnt --real` and you'll see only real ones
2023-07-12 17:16:14	nl6720	well, most of the pseudo fs will be filtered out
2023-07-12 17:16:41	nl6720	I still get a "fuse.portal" in there
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2023-07-12 17:17:26	feye	nl6720: Me too, and yes it use relatime
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2023-07-12 17:21:40	feye	nl6720: but fuse.portal just have by-app dir and it was empty, do you know what it is for?
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2023-07-12 17:22:39	nl6720	nope. all I can find is that it's created by xdg-document-portal.service user service and is related to https://docs.flatpak.org/en/latest/sandbox-permissions.html#portals
2023-07-12 17:22:40	phrik	Title: Sandbox Permissions — Flatpak documentation (at docs.flatpak.org)
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2023-07-12 17:32:54	feye	Namarrgon: maybe it's because I once asked about lazytime so you think so, anyway I've been search for it and found that lazytime was removed for ext4
2023-07-12 17:33:01	feye	https://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_5.17?highlight=%28lazytime%29#File_systems
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2023-07-12 17:36:43	mewt	I suspect this isn't arch's fault, but for the sake of placating upstream I'll ask here too: I'm running xpra on a machine with a full desktop, sshing to it from a client on void *using the SSH binary*, *not paramiko* because I non-negotiably need ProxyJump to work
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2023-07-12 17:37:09	mewt	The resolution I get is 1280x1024, and the rest of the window is black
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2023-07-12 17:37:24	mewt	I have changed the display resolution on the server side with xrandr and the DUMMY0 output
2023-07-12 17:37:26	nl6720	feye: I'm no expert, but I think that commit just moved the "lazytime" handling for ext4 one level up to vfs
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2023-07-12 17:37:43	mewt	Nothing changes about the resolution of the actual window I see on the client
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2023-07-12 17:40:47	nl6720	feye: if I'm reading https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=a26f49926da938f47561f386be56a83dd37a496d right, then the removed thing was a temporary workaround for old mount
2023-07-12 17:40:47	phrik	Title: kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree (at git.kernel.org)
2023-07-12 17:40:47	tirnanog	feye: as nl6720 notes, it wasn't removed.
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2023-07-12 17:40:47	tirnanog	(it'd be quite a feat do remove it with 11 lines)
2023-07-12 17:41:35	feye	Hmmm, but why I can't use lazytime now?
2023-07-12 17:41:56	mewt	They gave me something vague about XDG_RUNTIME_DIR but it's set to 755 and the server log reports no errors about it (the client does though...)
2023-07-12 17:42:16	feye	If it was temporary for that version
2023-07-12 17:42:27	nl6720	feye: what prevents it? fear, uncertainty or doubt? :P
2023-07-12 17:42:32	tirnanog	you can? what's stopping you?
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2023-07-12 17:44:50	hiya	No one uses Device Security on Android?
2023-07-12 17:45:11	feye	Use lazytime option in fstab, reboot, and check / mount option it just use relatime
2023-07-12 17:45:25	tirnanog	oh, I see.
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2023-07-12 17:47:02	nl6720	feye: does it work for other mounts besides /? if so, then try setting the rootflags= kernel parameter
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2023-07-12 17:47:29	hiya	Gnome 43 comes with a new Device Security panel in Settings.
2023-07-12 17:47:37	hiya	Sorry I meant Gnome
2023-07-12 17:47:39	hiya	not android
2023-07-12 17:47:47	hiya	Is it visible for you?
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2023-07-12 17:52:20	tirnanog	feye: this is worrying. libmount is supposed to map the option both ways. I just tried it in gentoo and it works fine.
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2023-07-12 17:53:29	nl6720	tirnanog: can you toggle it with a remount?
2023-07-12 17:53:31	feye	nl6720: I've tried mount flash drive with defaults,lazytime option, still use relatime
2023-07-12 17:53:41	tirnanog	feye: yeah, I'm seeing the same thing in arch.
2023-07-12 17:53:51	feye	even the filesystem is exfat not ext4
2023-07-12 17:53:52	tirnanog	nl6720: I don't think it's usually permitted for remounting but I'll try.
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2023-07-12 17:54:33	tirnanog	nl6720: -o remount doesn't change the state of this option but this is consistent with my experience (previously with XFS).
2023-07-12 17:54:34	nl6720	tirnanog: if it cannot be applied with a remount, then for rootfs you need rootflags=lazytime
2023-07-12 17:54:55	tirnanog	that's not testing a rootfs by the way.
2023-07-12 17:55:08	tirnanog	in gentoo, the option present itself. in arch, it doesn't.
2023-07-12 17:56:02	nl6720	different kernel/util-linux versions between the distros, I presume
2023-07-12 17:56:03	tirnanog	and there is code in libmount that's supposed to make the selected option show up after the fact, in the case that it's enabled by MS_LAZYTIME.
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2023-07-12 18:00:46	tirnanog	nl6720: I straced it in gentoo, and it conveys MS_LAZYTIME to mount(2). arch does something different. will compare like for like shortly (version-wise).
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2023-07-12 18:06:41	tirnanog	nl6720: alright. installed util-linux-2.39.1 on the gentoo side. it shows the same distinguished - and correct, at least to my mind - behaviour. there might be some cause for concern.
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2023-07-12 18:07:52	tirnanog	that is, I can pass -o lazytime, see MS_LAZYTIME being conveyed, and see lazymount conveying the option after the fact, as tested with findmnt(8).
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2023-07-12 18:07:57	nl6720	Arch having a bug that's not in lesser distros is highly concerning
2023-07-12 18:07:59	tirnanog	none of this is happening in arch.
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2023-07-12 18:08:22	tirnanog	(the gentoo-base team are actually very good, btw)
2023-07-12 18:08:45	⚡ 	nl6720 is joking
2023-07-12 18:08:55	tirnanog	anyway, here's the trace ...
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2023-07-12 18:10:43	tirnanog	https://termbin.com/nfmb
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2023-07-12 18:12:08	nl6720	tirnanog: please report the issue
2023-07-12 18:12:12	tirnanog	nl6720: ok.
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2023-07-12 18:12:29	mewt	more info in case arch pkg is still to blame somehow (which i still don't believe): starting with --resize-display allows a change from 1280x1024, but no further changes will ever occur
2023-07-12 18:13:28	mewt	allows a different starting resolution than that, sorry. no changes ever occur after start
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2023-07-12 19:06:59	__EdgeLord__	Can I ask a stupid question? Did a fresh Arch install, and tried to install GRUB, but apparently, when I try to boot into it, it doesn't seem to work. FYI I did it the way it is described in the Arch wiki (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB) under section 1.1 and using https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRVODxz95kA for reference when I didn't understand step 2 what involves (I assume it was for
2023-07-12 19:06:59	__EdgeLord__	grub-install the --bootloader-id parametre).
2023-07-12 19:07:00	phrik	Title: Arch Linux : 22 installing grub to our EFI system - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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2023-07-12 19:12:29	feye	__EdgeLord__: after grub-install run grub-mkconfig
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2023-07-12 19:12:48	feye	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Generated_grub.cfg
2023-07-12 19:12:49	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-07-12 19:14:14	__EdgeLord__	I did already run a grub-mkconfig without and warning or errors thrown in
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2023-07-12 19:22:14	teraflops	__EdgeLord__: mind sharing the exact commands you ran?
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2023-07-12 19:22:34	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-07-12 19:22:47	jkhsjdhjs	hmm, how exactly is your boot partition organized? is it fat formatted and mounted at /boot? I've also heard of some people mounting the fat partition to /boot/EFI
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2023-07-12 19:24:06	__EdgeLord__	so
2023-07-12 19:24:12	__EdgeLord__	imma grab the lines now
2023-07-12 19:24:16	__EdgeLord__	from history
2023-07-12 19:24:36	__EdgeLord__	let me boot again
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2023-07-12 19:26:12	__EdgeLord__	So
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2023-07-12 19:26:12	__EdgeLord__	I mounted /mnt/boot as the boot partition
2023-07-12 19:26:14	__EdgeLord__	but the install
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2023-07-12 19:26:28	__EdgeLord__	is in a separate directory under /mnt/boot/efi
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2023-07-12 19:27:01	__EdgeLord__	That is from the parspective of the archiso (I arch-chrooted into my system, so it is /boot/efi)
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2023-07-12 19:27:21	__EdgeLord__	the commands are as follows
2023-07-12 19:27:45	__EdgeLord__	grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader-id=GRUB
2023-07-12 19:27:49	__EdgeLord__	and after that
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2023-07-12 19:28:04	jkhsjdhjs	pretty sure --efi-directory should be just /boot
2023-07-12 19:28:05	__EdgeLord__	grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2023-07-12 19:28:09	jkhsjdhjs	as /boot is your ESP
2023-07-12 19:28:19	__EdgeLord__	Ahh... maybe that's why
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2023-07-12 19:30:32	__EdgeLord__	I don't know why I got the idea that bootloaders should go into a separate directory, as I have read from https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFI_system_partition#Mount_the_partition in section 4.1
2023-07-12 19:30:34	phrik	Title: EFI system partition - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-07-12 19:30:59	__EdgeLord__	Yeah, no, I seem to cannot read properly
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2023-07-12 19:31:38	jkhsjdhjs	I mean, the bootloaders are effectively installed to separate directories, but grub-install does this automatically
2023-07-12 19:31:39	jkhsjdhjs	Choose a boot loader identifier, here named GRUB. A directory of that name will be created in esp/EFI/ to store the EFI binary and this is the name that will appear in the UEFI boot menu to identify the GRUB boot entry.
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2023-07-12 19:32:01	teraflops	it doesn't matter as you install the bootloader in the right dir and mount the right location in fstab
2023-07-12 19:32:02	__EdgeLord__	Yep, it solved my issue
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2023-07-12 19:33:22	__EdgeLord__	Yeah, that thing with the "Choose a boot loader identifier..." step made me a bit confused as I thought I had to manually tell a new directory where it should install GRUB
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2023-07-12 19:33:32	__EdgeLord__	Thanks a lot
2023-07-12 19:34:22	teraflops	iirc debian installer uses /boot/EFI 
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2023-07-12 19:41:55	jkhsjdhjs	now that this is done, I can ask my question! I noticed that protobuf was updated from 21 to 23 recently and I maintain an AUR package which depends on protobuf, that now fails to build. the issue is that the project I maintain fails to link with abseil. according to this protobuf issue, adding "CONFIG" to the find_package() call should resolve this, but if I do this, the build fails during the
2023-07-12 19:41:56	jkhsjdhjs	"Generating protobuf files" step, and it seems that the path to the protoc executable now isn't set correctly anymore (see also https://github.com/p4lang/p4c/issues/4055). are there any arch developers here (ideally those who did the migration to protobuf 23), who encountered similar issues during the transition?
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2023-07-12 19:42:37	jkhsjdhjs	ah I forgot to link the relevant protobuf issue: https://github.com/protocolbuffers/protobuf/issues/12292#issuecomment-1529680040
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2023-07-12 19:44:09	jkhsjdhjs	not really sure what could cause this, to me it looks like the issue could be anywhere: either the protobuf cmake files, cmake itself, or how arch linux installs these two projects
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2023-07-12 19:57:35	kulak	I use systemd boot loader and I setup luks2 with BTRFS, but I can't figure out how to trigger LUKS 2 password prompt on boot. I get "Waiting 10 seconds for device /dev/mapper/system".
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2023-07-12 19:59:34	another|	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/System_configuration
2023-07-12 19:59:36	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/System configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-07-12 20:55:11	SYKLQVK	kulak: doesn't btrfs have a cryptographic layer built in?
2023-07-12 20:55:30	SYKLQVK	second: you need the correct HOOK in mkinitcpio.conf (AFAIK)
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2023-07-12 20:55:59	SYKLQVK	the hook loads a kernel module (or similar, actually) that takes care of reading the password.
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2023-07-12 20:56:23	SYKLQVK	encrpyt is the thing
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2023-07-12 21:06:07	kulak	Basically, I followed these instructions mount LABEL=EFI /mnt/efi
2023-07-12 21:06:17	kulak	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/User:ZachHilman/Installation_-_Btrfs_%2B_LUKS2_%2B_Secure_Boot
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2023-07-12 21:06:17	phrik	Title: User:ZachHilman/Installation - Btrfs + LUKS2 + Secure Boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-12 21:07:16	kulak	So, I came to a pooint when system boots and systemd displayes message: "timed out waiting for device /dev/disk/by-label/systemfs
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2023-07-12 21:08:36	astralc	and you used the hook in mkinitcpio and the matching kernel parameter?
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2023-07-12 21:13:50	kulak	Here is how I decrypt my rootfs when running from installation, but obvously I have something messed up with configuration: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/User:Kulak
2023-07-12 21:13:52	phrik	Title: User:Kulak - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-07-12 21:19:27	kulak	for mkinitcpio I have line in file `/etc/mkinitcpio.conf.d/linux.conf: `HOOKS=(base systemd autodetect modconf kms keyboard sd-vconsole block sd-encrypt btrfs filesystems fsck)`
2023-07-12 21:19:38	kulak	and I run it with `mkinitcpio -p linux`
2023-07-12 21:20:13	kulak	but then during the boot I don't get password prompt to decrypt filesystem and then there is no decrypted filesystem.
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2023-07-12 21:25:42	astralc	and the initcpio generation output mention sd-encrypt?
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2023-07-12 21:31:21	kulak	yes, I just run `mkinitcpio -p linux` and I saw two images generated and both included line sd-encrypt.
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2023-07-12 21:34:02	astralc	and it is the image you use in your bootloader? and you added kernel parameters?
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2023-07-12 21:42:02	jpw	hey i've just gone to update my system and I've got an invalid signature for terraform. I don't see any updates to the keyring. i'm just checking are there any known issues here?
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2023-07-12 21:43:26	yitz	Where are package post-transaction hooks set? pacman failed during post hooks and I want to discover which packages have those hooks so I can re-trigger
2023-07-12 21:43:49	jpw	error: terraform: signature from "Justin Kromlinger <justin@kromlinger.eu>" is unknown trust
2023-07-12 21:44:31	greentail	jpw, how can I reproduce your problem? pacman -S terraform ? or what?
2023-07-12 21:44:41	astralc	yitz: `man alpm-hooks`
2023-07-12 21:44:58	yitz	Thanks!
2023-07-12 21:46:43	jpw	greentail: the command I was running was `pacman -Syu`
2023-07-12 21:46:57	yitz	Weeeeeird. I assumed the hooks were in PKGBUILD
2023-07-12 21:48:54	yitz	Is there a way to trigger hooks other than reinstalling packages?
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2023-07-12 21:49:41	greentail	jpw,  https://bpa.st/N5HJI 
2023-07-12 21:49:43	phrik	Title: View paste N5HJI (at bpa.st)
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2023-07-12 21:52:22	jpw	greentail: thanks for having a look i'll try again in a little while
2023-07-12 21:52:27	greentail	jpw,  https://paste.rs/54UTr.txt  
2023-07-12 21:52:29	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-07-12 21:53:18	jpw	there's clearly something up
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2023-07-12 21:58:57	greentail	jpw, after running pacman -Syu, I was able to install terraform without problems
2023-07-12 21:59:10	jpw	do you know which mirror you were using?
2023-07-12 21:59:14	rcf	jpw: see topic 
2023-07-12 21:59:38	rcf	Also check your mirror's status. 
2023-07-12 21:59:57	rcf	jpw: https://archlinux.org/mirrors/status/
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2023-07-12 22:01:04	jpw	ok cheers rcf. my bad i thought the keyring package was simply `keyring`
2023-07-12 22:01:48	jpw	its working
2023-07-12 22:02:02	rcf	Excellent 
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2023-07-12 22:11:09	gallus	Hello
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2023-07-12 22:11:23	gallus	Edu4rdSHL I'm back
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2023-07-12 22:13:17	gallus	Edu4rdSHL as you last week suggested me I have reinstall and original arch linux following the tutorial on the website, but I still have the same problem: at the first update with pacman -Syu startx doesn't start
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2023-07-12 22:14:37	gallus	Edu4rdSHL as the last week I have an nvidia card that work until I update the system and in my opinion the kernel
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2023-07-12 22:15:31	gallus	I have some problems with my nvidia video card on my old Dell laptop
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2023-07-12 23:18:52	rcf	or if there's some other weird error 
2023-07-12 23:19:17	rcf	(those are often suggested when trying to debug nvidia and would make things more difficult now) 
2023-07-12 23:19:46	Repentinus	gallus, no, if you already remove it, good.
2023-07-12 23:19:49	gallus	rcf, Do I nedd to add again the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-nvidia.conf
2023-07-12 23:19:49	gallus	Section "Device"
2023-07-12 23:19:50	gallus	    Identifier     "Device0"
2023-07-12 23:19:50	gallus	    Driver         "nvidia"
2023-07-12 23:19:51	gallus	    VendorName     "NVIDIA Corporation"
2023-07-12 23:19:51	gallus	    BusID          "PCI:1:0:0"
2023-07-12 23:19:52	gallus	EndSection
2023-07-12 23:19:56	Repentinus	!give gallus ix journalctl -b
2023-07-12 23:19:58	phrik	gallus: journalctl -b |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2023-07-12 23:20:09	gallus	ok I do
2023-07-12 23:20:13	Repentinus	And don't paste files to this channel.
2023-07-12 23:20:22	rcf	gallus: no, don't add that back. 
2023-07-12 23:20:42	gallus	Repentinus sorry
2023-07-12 23:20:48	gallus	rcf ok
2023-07-12 23:21:04	rcf	gallus: but the journalctl post would give some idea for why kms seems borked. 
2023-07-12 23:21:53	gallus	http://ix.io/4Asd
2023-07-12 23:25:21	rcf	gallus: is there anything referencing nvidia in /usr/lib/modprobe.d or /etc/modprobe.d 
2023-07-12 23:25:27	rcf	Or nouveau
2023-07-12 23:26:14	gallus	rcf Do I check with an ls command?
2023-07-12 23:26:19	rcf	Indeed. 
2023-07-12 23:28:12	gallus	rcf Eureka! (I supposed)
2023-07-12 23:28:18	rcf	gallus: did you install nvidia-utils 
2023-07-12 23:29:17	gallus	rcf not me but when I have installed pacman -S nvidia it was automatically installed
2023-07-12 23:29:30	rcf	Uninstall that, make sure there is nothing in any modprobe directory, reboot 
2023-07-12 23:29:43	rcf	nothing related to nvidia I mean 
2023-07-12 23:30:28	gallus	rcf in /usr/lib/modprobe.d/ there is nvidia-utils.conf with inside nouveau blacklisted
2023-07-12 23:30:44	rcf	Uninstalling nvidia-utils should help, then. 
2023-07-12 23:31:41	gallus	rcf I have done pacman -R nvidia.utils right now
2023-07-12 23:32:03	gallus	rcf I check if there's something all around
2023-07-12 23:33:07	gallus	rcf nvidia-utils.conf was automatically removed. Now I reboot
2023-07-12 23:34:20	gallus	rcf now it works
2023-07-12 23:34:32	rcf	\o/
2023-07-12 23:34:52	gallus	rcf may I recap to show if I have understand the problem?
2023-07-12 23:35:04	gallus	rcf thank you very much
2023-07-12 23:35:51	rcf	No problem 
2023-07-12 23:36:36	gallus	now, and before too, on my laptop startx worked whith nouveau not with propretary nvidia drivers
2023-07-12 23:37:12	gallus	also if I installed nvidia
2023-07-12 23:38:02	gallus	rcf Is it correct?
2023-07-12 23:38:38	rcf	Indeed. The currently-supported nvidia drivers do not support your GPU, so the proprietary nvidia driver did nothing, and trying to force it to be used meant Xorg also did nothing.
2023-07-12 23:39:31	gallus	rcf ok clear (now listening to you)
2023-07-12 23:39:56	gallus	rcf May I ask other 2 simple question?
2023-07-12 23:40:10	rcf	Of course 
2023-07-12 23:40:28	gallus	rcf different argument not nvidia
2023-07-12 23:40:53	rcf	The general rule is "don't ask to ask, just go for it, someone might know" 
2023-07-12 23:41:26	gallus	rcf after I have complete the installation and I have rebooted the system I have founded resolve.conf empty
2023-07-12 23:41:46	Repentinus	gallus, also read this:
2023-07-12 23:41:50	Repentinus	!give gallus aw Microcode
2023-07-12 23:41:52	phrik	gallus: Microcode - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Microcode
2023-07-12 23:42:21	Repentinus	I noticed your boot log skipping a CPU vulnerability mitigation supposedly due to missing microcode.
2023-07-12 23:43:06	rcf	gallus: the reasoning for that varies depending on how you're trying to configure the network. 
2023-07-12 23:43:39	rcf	Also what Repentinus said, though you might also like to live dangerously and avoid mitigations for maximum performance on old hardware. 
2023-07-12 23:43:52	gallus	Repentinus which?
2023-07-12 23:44:31	gallus	rcf no I simply don't know
2023-07-12 23:44:50	Repentinus	lug 12 21:07:16 archlinux kernel: MDS: Vulnerable: Clear CPU buffers attempted, no microcode
2023-07-12 23:45:35	rcf	gallus: well, how did you set up the network? If it didn't work initially that's expected, proper Arch makes you choose. 
2023-07-12 23:45:37	gallus	Repentinus and Where did you find it=
2023-07-12 23:45:52	gallus	rcf with iwctl
2023-07-12 23:45:59	Repentinus	In your journal at <http://ix.io/4Asd>.
2023-07-12 23:48:14	rcf	gallus: are you using its built-in dhcp client 
2023-07-12 23:48:30	gallus	Repentinus I have an intel cpu so I have to install intel-ucode with pacman -S intel-ucode
2023-07-12 23:48:40	gallus	rcf yes
2023-07-12 23:48:42	Repentinus	Yes, and then make sure it gets loaded.
2023-07-12 23:48:58	gallus	rcf dhcpcd
2023-07-12 23:50:08	Repentinus	gallus, by having e.g. "initrd	/intel-ucode.img /initramfs-linux.img" in your bootloader configuration.
2023-07-12 23:50:41	gallus	Repentinus it would be my next question
2023-07-12 23:51:46	gallus	initrd    /boot/intel-ucode.img /boot/initramfs-linux.img
2023-07-12 23:51:54	Repentinus	How to do that depends on your bootloader. For grub, I think you simply regenerate the configuration file.
2023-07-12 23:52:06	rcf	gallus: your journal shows you are also running wpa_supplicant.... 
2023-07-12 23:52:14	rcf	And NetworkManager
2023-07-12 23:52:54	gallus	rcp yes it is true
2023-07-12 23:53:16	rcf	Don't do that, it will lead to weird stuff like this 
2023-07-12 23:53:46	gallus	NetworkManger I thought to have removed
2023-07-12 23:53:53	rcf	If you want Networkmanager, just use that alone. Don't configure iwd, or wpasupplicant, or dhcpcd 
2023-07-12 23:56:23	gallus	rcf which is the best choice considering that I use i3 ad window manager?
2023-07-12 23:57:07	gallus	Repentinus I have done sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg now I simply reboot?
2023-07-12 23:58:22	gallus	Repentinus the command found intel-ucode
2023-07-12 23:59:29	rcf	gallus: Best is subjective, I like networkmanager with the applet on a laptop with i3. But the key is that there should be only one such service enabled.
2023-07-13 00:04:24	susi	what may you decipher outta this: https://0x0.st/HjAn.txt -- since some time, my resumes from suspend may fail like this, and it will take a long time to recover, and network is gone unless reloading ath10k* modules 
2023-07-13 00:05:00	Repentinus	gallus, yes.
2023-07-13 00:05:55	gallus	rcf ok i remove dhcpcd iwd wpa_supplicant and leave NetworkManager
2023-07-13 00:09:14	egl	susi: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Laptop/ASUS#Vivobook
2023-07-13 00:09:15	gallus	rcf Which is the NetworkManager applet for i3?
2023-07-13 00:09:15	phrik	Title: Laptop/ASUS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-13 00:11:02	rcf	gallus: network-manager-applet will work in the systray
2023-07-13 00:13:13	gallus	rcf I have disabled dhcpcd iwd and leave only NetworkManager and now I can't ping archlinux.org because I can't resolve the name
2023-07-13 00:13:55	rcf	gallus: connect through network manager, nmtui is nice from the console
2023-07-13 00:15:42	rcf	gallus: a reboot may also be useful to get everything back in a consistent state 
2023-07-13 00:16:49	gallus	rcf connect using nmtui it is not nice it is marvellouse (I hope right spelling)
2023-07-13 00:17:40	gallus	rcf Do I need to pacman -R dhcpcd iwd wpa_supplicant?
2023-07-13 00:18:35	rcf	gallus: only need systemctl disable 
2023-07-13 00:19:58	gallus	rcf after reboot I can ping archlinux.org. Do you think should be better remove those packages with pacman?
2023-07-13 00:20:33	rcf	gallus: you need wpa_supplicant, the other two can go if you want. 
2023-07-13 00:20:57	gallus	ok they will go
2023-07-13 00:25:14	susi	I guess it's just faulty fw in the end, should maybe try upgrading bios
2023-07-13 00:25:44	gallus	rcf during installation I have set my localtime but now is not correct. I did  ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Rome /etc/localtime and then hwclock --systohc --utc but now the clock is 2 hours back
2023-07-13 00:26:18	gallus	rcf is UTC time I think
2023-07-13 00:27:16	rcf	gallus: does tinedatectl still indicate correct zone 
2023-07-13 00:27:28	rcf	timedatectl
2023-07-13 00:28:13	gallus	no
2023-07-13 00:28:19	susi	what should be the correct term, to 'upgrade' the 'main' software layer of the uefi+drivers implementation that utilities like 'asus ez flash' perform?
2023-07-13 00:28:26	gallus	rcf no it doesn't
2023-07-13 00:28:46	gallus	rcf no ntp synch
2023-07-13 00:29:27	rcf	gallus: the obvious explanation would be doing the link outside the chroot by mistake on install 
2023-07-13 00:29:44	rcf	In any case set it again, it ought to work hopefully 
2023-07-13 00:31:10	gallus	I need to set the link again or I do timedatectl set-ntp true?
2023-07-13 00:31:50	rcf	Both 
2023-07-13 00:32:11	gallus	ok
2023-07-13 00:32:12	rcf	I assume you want correct local time and synchronization 
2023-07-13 00:32:51	gallus	also hwclock --systohc --utc ?
2023-07-13 00:33:01	gallus	with sudo
2023-07-13 00:33:16	rcf	Don’t need that usually 
2023-07-13 00:33:34	rcf	Should be handled by timesyncd 
2023-07-13 00:35:45	susi	I used to use chrony as my NTP service, now just however systemd (timedatectl) handles it... how could I inspect the past or active actions?
2023-07-13 00:36:28	rcf	timesyncd will log things
2023-07-13 00:36:30	susi	get deltas and timestamps
2023-07-13 00:36:51	rcf	But it’s not really as precise as a real NTP client 
2023-07-13 00:37:04	rcf	You won’t get real stats 
2023-07-13 00:37:22	rcf	Just sane, close enough time sync over SNTP
2023-07-13 00:37:48	susi	okay, at least timestamps I can get from systemd-timesyncd's logs, but maybe no deltas or other info 
2023-07-13 00:38:25	gallus	rcf I have done but the clock it is still unset
2023-07-13 00:39:16	rcf	gallus: Perhaps set with timedatectl itself 
2023-07-13 00:40:08	gallus	rcf Do you mean give the command: sudo timedatectl itself?
2023-07-13 00:40:42	rcf	No, use it’s subcommand to set the zone 
2023-07-13 00:42:09	gallus	timedatectl set-timezone europe/rome
2023-07-13 00:47:13	gallus	do
2023-07-13 00:47:26	gallus	it works
2023-07-13 00:50:00	gallus	rcf Do you know why when I enter in i3  there is for a long time a rotate wheel as mouse pointer?
2023-07-13 00:50:20	gallus	it is only loading the wallpaper
2023-07-13 00:59:47	gallus	thankyou very much, it's time to go to sleep for me. Good night or have a nice day
2023-07-13 00:59:58	gallus	see you soon
2023-07-13 01:25:14	easyme	Hello
2023-07-13 01:26:10	gehidore	!give easyme hello
2023-07-13 01:26:11	phrik	easyme: hello? http://i.imgur.com/8pwTF.gif
2023-07-13 01:27:00	easyme	Is there any problem if we install archlinux on virtualbox?
2023-07-13 01:33:09	gehidore	what kind of an issue?
2023-07-13 01:36:01	greentail	https://stackoverflow.com/questions/24967855/curl-6-could-not-resolve-host-google-com-name-or-service-not-known
2023-07-13 01:36:02	phrik	Title: linux - curl: (6) Could not resolve host: google.com; Name or service not known - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
2023-07-13 01:36:45	greentail	I just tried to install microsoft-edge, and I got `Could not resolve host packages.microsoft.com` ; I already tried googling, but no solution yet. How can I fix that?
2023-07-13 01:37:15	easyme	gehidore: Like maximizing window.
2023-07-13 01:37:37	gry	greentail: works for me
2023-07-13 01:37:47	gry	greentail: what is your dns server?
2023-07-13 01:38:30	greentail	gry,  just now, immediately after I asked here, it started working properly. 
2023-07-13 01:38:43	gry	I guess they have it on-demand
2023-07-13 01:38:45	greentail	gry,  I still would like to know what my dns server is. How can I find that out?  
2023-07-13 01:38:59	gry	once someone tries it and fails, they start booting up their server so that you try again in 2 mins and then it works
2023-07-13 01:39:11	gry	service to save resources for climate change
2023-07-13 01:39:20	gry	in context of how rarely linux users need edge anyway
2023-07-13 01:40:39	greentail	gry, how do linux users test their apps in MS-Edge without installling it? I never use Edge, but I want to test my apps there and make sure my users who use MS-Edge have no problems using my app.  
2023-07-13 01:40:47	gry	greentail: write 'dig packages.microsoft.com' and read the last line of the output, it will tell you what dns server you are using
2023-07-13 01:41:38	gry	greentail: i was kidding about them keeping their server offline until requested, i was making fun of the reliability of thier infrastructure; it wasn't a serious explanation
2023-07-13 01:42:18	greentail	gry, oh, got it, thanks!  
2023-07-13 01:42:28	greentail	gry,  15 IN A 13.82.67.141  ; is that a good DNS?  
2023-07-13 01:55:11	gry	greentail: hm, i get this https://dpaste.com/72HKB3R7E.txt the SERVER: 127.0.0.1 is my dns server
2023-07-13 01:57:36	greentail	gry,  ;; SERVER: 172.20.10.1#53(172.20.10.1) (UDP)  
2023-07-13 01:57:54	greentail	gry, is that a good DNS server? 
2023-07-13 01:58:11	gry	greentail: yes, that's good
2023-07-13 01:58:25	gry	greentail: ip 13.82.67.141  is correct too, it contains the packages.microsoft.com
2023-07-13 02:34:16	majuscule	I just updated my packages and seem to have broken my wifi configuration. When I am wired to the router (ip link set enp7s0 up; dhcpcd enp7s0) everything works as expected. When I connect to wifi (wpa_supplicant ...; dhcpcd wlp6s0), everything *appears* to work, same output as normally. but I cannot make any connections, even directly to my router (nc 192.168.0.1 80).
2023-07-13 02:36:10	majuscule	with --debug, I see no errors, wlp6s0: connected to Access Point:, adds the route, i don't know what to attempt here
2023-07-13 02:43:04	Pikk3wyn	what do you mean by no connection
2023-07-13 02:43:11	Pikk3wyn	what happens when you try
2023-07-13 02:43:29	Pikk3wyn	can you ping it?
2023-07-13 02:45:42	greentail	I have several files with names in the shape of `sssss-dddd-sss.md` ; the letter `d` represnts digits. I want to output a list that contains only the `dddd` part. I think it can be done with awk or sed, but don't know how. How can it be done?  
2023-07-13 02:51:02	Pikk3wyn	both ways
2023-07-13 02:51:15	Pikk3wyn	simple hack would be
2023-07-13 02:52:12	Pikk3wyn	sed 's/-(\d+)-/\1/'
2023-07-13 02:52:27	Pikk3wyn	might need an escape there leme check
2023-07-13 02:53:43	Pikk3wyn	personally i'
2023-07-13 02:54:03	Pikk3wyn	i'd use perl -ne 'print /-(\d+)-/' < myfilenames.txt
2023-07-13 02:54:47	Pikk3wyn	or perl -nE 'say /-(\d+)-/' < myfilenames.txt
2023-07-13 02:54:47	Pikk3wyn	rather
2023-07-13 02:56:20	greentail	Pikk3wyn,  sed: -e expression #1, char 13: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS
2023-07-13 02:56:20	greentail	  
2023-07-13 02:57:02	Pikk3wyn	i forget the escapes for sed sometimes
2023-07-13 02:57:03	Pikk3wyn	the perl one is easier with just a regex
2023-07-13 02:57:28	Pikk3wyn	or even easier, like
2023-07-13 02:58:43	greentail	your perl command would require me to save the output of ls into a file. Is there any way to do it without having to save the output of ls into a file? 
2023-07-13 03:01:32	Pikk3wyn	perl -nE 'chomp;@fields = split /-|\./; say $fields[1]; say "some stuff foo third field is $fields[2]" '
2023-07-13 03:01:33	Pikk3wyn	etc
2023-07-13 03:02:17	Pikk3wyn	perl -lnE '@fields = split /-|\./; say $fields[1]; say "some stuff foo third field is $fields[2]" '
2023-07-13 03:02:25	Pikk3wyn	or with -l for autochomp
2023-07-13 03:03:13	Pikk3wyn	oh you can just pipe it
2023-07-13 03:03:27	Pikk3wyn	what are you trying to do
2023-07-13 03:04:42	Pikk3wyn	i mean, according to what is technically best practice, people say you arent 'supposed' to parse ls really, but its not like people dont 
2023-07-13 03:05:21	Edu4rdSHL	greentail, ls *.md | awk -F '[-.]' '{print $2}'
2023-07-13 03:05:30	Pikk3wyn	there are quicker ways if its like 1 sep, like aaa-bbb-ccc you can do cut -d'-' -f2 or whatever probably
2023-07-13 03:06:33	Pikk3wyn	awk is nice and short for a lot of common stuff
2023-07-13 03:06:45	Pikk3wyn	i just like perl :P, also did not know awk took 2 delims
2023-07-13 03:07:07	Edu4rdSHL	Imagine liking perl
2023-07-13 03:07:16	Pikk3wyn	imagine not liking perl
2023-07-13 03:07:29	greentail	https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/128985/why-not-parse-ls-and-what-to-do-instead
2023-07-13 03:07:31	gehidore	I don't have to imagine, I don't like it
2023-07-13 03:07:31	phrik	Title: shell - Why *not* parse `ls` (and what to do instead)? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2023-07-13 03:07:31	Edu4rdSHL	That's being smart
2023-07-13 03:07:41	greentail	Pikk3wyn,  thanks for mentioning best practices!  
2023-07-13 03:08:09	Edu4rdSHL	Who cares about parsing ls in such a simple task lol
2023-07-13 03:08:16	Edu4rdSHL	!parsingls
2023-07-13 03:08:17	phrik	don't do it. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs
2023-07-13 03:09:01	Edu4rdSHL	I knew it, but it doesn't really matter when you're just going to print some part of the file :p
2023-07-13 03:09:09	gehidore	greentail last time I'll mention this: this channel is not your personal search engine.
2023-07-13 03:09:24	Pikk3wyn	:)
2023-07-13 03:18:43	greentail	Edu4rdSHL,  thanks!  :)  
2023-07-13 03:23:53	majuscule	Pikk3wyn: I cannot ping it
2023-07-13 03:28:09	Pikk3wyn	majuscule: can you uplaod out put of 'ip addr', 'ip route', 'arp -en'
2023-07-13 03:28:25	majuscule	yes just a moment
2023-07-13 03:28:36	Pikk3wyn	also output of what happens when you try ping
2023-07-13 03:29:39	Pikk3wyn	arp is in net-tools if you dont have already
2023-07-13 03:31:03	BrainDamage	ip neigh will give the same functionality of arp without installing anything
2023-07-13 03:31:26	majuscule	Pikk3wyn: http://ix.io/4AsS
2023-07-13 03:31:29	Pikk3wyn	ah indeed it will
2023-07-13 03:32:17	Pikk3wyn	odd, try ip neigh as suggested
2023-07-13 03:32:32	Pikk3wyn	doesnt make sense there are no arp entries
2023-07-13 03:32:54	Pikk3wyn	erm
2023-07-13 03:32:55	Pikk3wyn	lol
2023-07-13 03:32:57	Pikk3wyn	i think also\
2023-07-13 03:33:05	Pikk3wyn	those are both on the same subnet
2023-07-13 03:33:46	Pikk3wyn	trying to just add 2 networks on the same subnet is not going to work out well
2023-07-13 03:34:09	Pikk3wyn	i'm not saying it technically speaking can't be done, but it isn't going to function properly like that
2023-07-13 03:34:29	Pikk3wyn	does it work if you just connect one of them?
2023-07-13 03:35:23	BrainDamage	I didn't even know it was possible to assign an ip to an interface that was down
2023-07-13 03:36:22	Pikk3wyn	theyre up it looks like
2023-07-13 03:36:26	majuscule	wow okay, so yeah. manually bringing the wired enp7s0 interface down actually just solved the problem. I have no idea how i got into this state
2023-07-13 03:36:49	majuscule	when i was experiencing the problem, i was not connected
2023-07-13 03:37:03	majuscule	and i never brought up enp7s0 myself
2023-07-13 03:38:38	Pikk3wyn	you won't be able to use 2 networks on the same subnet without, idk, creating 2 tables or something i think
2023-07-13 03:38:49	majuscule	never intended to, lol
2023-07-13 03:39:07	Pikk3wyn	at the very minimum if you had 2 on the same subnet you would probably need the gateway ip to be different so that you could set a preferential metric
2023-07-13 03:39:13	Pikk3wyn	glad its sorted :)
2023-07-13 03:39:30	majuscule	thanks for your help!
2023-07-13 03:49:20	SurfBlueCrab	Hi guys, I am thinking of buying an nvme drive that I will put in an external usb-c case.  I am stuck deciding between DRAM or DRAM-Less drive.  I will use the drive for storage and to put some personal virtual machines ( not in a data center and not bare metal OS ).  So I will mostly have big files on it, not much random read/writes beside what happens inside a qcow2.
2023-07-13 03:49:27	SurfBlueCrab	I am stuck choosing between a Samsung 970 EVO Plus that has DRAM but apparently heat a lot or a less expensive TEAMGROUP MP33 than runs cooler but has no DRAM.
2023-07-13 03:49:35	SurfBlueCrab	I was wondering if anyone have experience with DRAM/DRAM-Less drives and if the kernel can use Host Memory Buffer thru usb-c?
2023-07-13 03:49:41	SurfBlueCrab	I also wonder if the DRAM-Less drive may die faster?  I have been reading for the last 2 days but have not made my mind yet.
2023-07-13 03:51:58	lockdown	SurfBlueCrab: I would ask in #hardware
2023-07-13 04:04:15	SurfBlueCrab	@lockdown: ok thank you I will
2023-07-13 04:18:34	saharsedigh	hi
2023-07-13 04:18:42	thurstylark	!welcomerpg
2023-07-13 04:18:43	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux - How can we help you?
2023-07-13 04:18:57	saharsedigh	where does lightdm reads the list of available desktop to choose from?
2023-07-13 04:20:05	saharsedigh	like (xfce openbox ....)
2023-07-13 04:21:31	thurstylark	saharsedigh: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Display_manager#Session_configuration
2023-07-13 04:21:32	phrik	Title: Display manager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-13 05:10:00	topcat001	The Samsung drivers are fast but they do generate a lot of heat. I don't know how well they would work in an external enclosure.
2023-07-13 05:10:36	topcat001	drives even
2023-07-13 05:12:16	topcat001	SurfBlueCrab: I am using Crucial P3 in an enclosure and it does not heat up much. I plan to later put it on the system board directly. Also, really cheap on Amazon.
2023-07-13 05:13:46	topcat001	I have Ventoy + a portable Arch install on this drive and it runs quite fast for this purpose.
2023-07-13 05:15:31	topcat001	My Alienware has a Samsung 980 in it and under Windows it always throttled. Currently on Arch I don't get that kind of disk load but it will still throttle after a minute or so of sustained use. Anyway just some anecdotes, HTH.
2023-07-13 06:20:30	chiselfuse	after i switched my shell to zsh i can't type in arabic anymore, even if i start a bash shell i can't type in arabic
2023-07-13 06:20:56	chiselfuse	characters don't get typed and when the shell prints some, they bcome question marks
2023-07-13 06:21:03	chiselfuse	i checked my locale and it looks fine
2023-07-13 06:21:14	chiselfuse	i sourced all the envs from the other shell too
2023-07-13 06:21:34	chiselfuse	idk what i changed to have it do this
2023-07-13 06:49:33	rcf	chiselfuse: are all envs actually the same, even those not explicitly set 
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2023-07-13 08:19:15	chiselfuse	rcf: i tried setting them all from a functioning bash shell from another system (i looked at 'printenv') and it still won't work
2023-07-13 08:33:43	mkoskar	chiselfuse: are you sure it's not a terminal emulator issue?
2023-07-13 08:35:01	mkoskar	hmm, ye questionmarks would point to bad locale/encoding
2023-07-13 09:29:22	luigibu	hi! any docking recomendation for dell xsp machine running arch? currently i got a dell dockin workign mostrly fine but when i turn of the system.. seams after a wille my netwoork start having issues.. like if the dockin would be injecting corrupted packages into the network. It does has any sense? thankss
2023-07-13 10:34:28	barlas	Today's update updated grub, and mentioned that I should run grub_install and grub-mkconfig, ran both of these without any issue. But now grub is broken.
2023-07-13 10:34:46	barlas	error: symbol 'grub_calloc' not found.
2023-07-13 10:35:07	Gnana	do you have usb stick bootable one?
2023-07-13 10:35:19	grawity	feels like you ended up with an incomplete grub-install – old grub MBR/core is trying to load new grub modules
2023-07-13 10:35:28	Gnana	i sgguest that you reinstall grub
2023-07-13 10:35:42	barlas	I most probably don't.
2023-07-13 10:36:08	grawity	i.e. probably installed grub into the wrong /dev
2023-07-13 10:36:20	Gnana	^
2023-07-13 10:36:31	barlas	Hmm... shouldn't happen, but it's entirely possible.
2023-07-13 10:36:33	grawity	or if it's EFI – installed grub into the wrong EFI partition
2023-07-13 10:36:38	grawity	or the EFI partition wasn't mounted
2023-07-13 10:36:45	barlas	No, that much I am confirm, it's not EFI.
2023-07-13 10:36:52	grawity	(or you're booting an old copy of bootx64.efi)
2023-07-13 10:37:03	grawity	do you have only one disk in general?
2023-07-13 10:37:04	barlas	So, no way to fix it without live usb?
2023-07-13 10:37:15	grawity	no
2023-07-13 10:37:27	Gnana	/boot/EFI
2023-07-13 10:37:45	barlas	I have 2. But I am quite sure it's installed on the first one. But I didn't double check before running the command.
2023-07-13 10:37:57	Gnana	yes reinstall, i also need buy usb stick, how many i have borrow from soemeone elese.
2023-07-13 10:38:00	barlas	And since I last did that ages ago, I may have made a mistake.
2023-07-13 10:38:18	kode54	should always use /dev/disk/by-uuid or by-id
2023-07-13 10:38:39	barlas	Okay, let's see if my old laptop still boots.
2023-07-13 10:38:44	kode54	\/dev/sda or such may reoder themselves
2023-07-13 10:38:49	kode54	*reorder
2023-07-13 10:39:00	barlas	Thanks for the help, will bug you guys agian if I am having trouble installing grub
2023-07-13 10:39:10	kode54	good luck, hope you get that sorted
2023-07-13 10:39:12	barlas	kode54: Hmm... didn't know that. Will remember it for next time.
2023-07-13 10:39:19	barlas	Thanks.
2023-07-13 10:39:27	kode54	yeah, the base /dev/sdX devices are init order
2023-07-13 10:39:41	kode54	no guarantee they're associated to exact port numbers in order
2023-07-13 10:39:51	Gnana	barlas: do you have running system? i mean tty?
2023-07-13 10:40:37	Gnana	can't reinstall grub if system is not rebooted?
2023-07-13 10:41:45	Gnana	grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/dev/something --bootloader-id=GRUB
2023-07-13 10:41:50	Gnana	this commmand right?
2023-07-13 10:42:22	barlas	Gnana: It has put me to grub rescue, so no?
2023-07-13 10:43:08	Gnana	k
2023-07-13 10:56:44	Gnana	Is there good compositer for i3 wm, wayland nvidia-dkms is problem 
2023-07-13 11:14:51	chiselfuse	mkoskar: it's the same term emu i had for bash, i just don't know what i could check more in envs, a list of related ones would be helpful
2023-07-13 11:28:19	chiselfuse	i fixed it by setting LANG=en_US.UTF-8 and rebooting
2023-07-13 11:53:07	ijqq	Hello. I am trying to install arch and would like help please.
2023-07-13 11:53:07	ijqq	I am on section 1.9 of the install guide. I clicked on the link from the tip saying "Check that your NVMe drives and Advanced Format hard disk drives are using the optimal logical sector size before partitioning.". 
2023-07-13 11:53:07	ijqq	I followed the nvme section of the page, and had the same results as they showed, the in-use logical block address size went from 512 bytes to 4096 bytes. It also says I need to have the correct partition alignment otherwise there will be no benefit. Under that section it says that fdisk should handle it automatically.
2023-07-13 11:53:08	ijqq	Going back to the install guide, part 1.9, I see there are example layouts but I am still a bit unsure on how exactly to achieve it. I would like to have a good default partition layout with everything on the nvme drive, and make sure that the partitioning alignment words.
2023-07-13 11:53:09	ijqq	Any pointers or help appreciated. Thanks
2023-07-13 11:56:43	thursdaylark	ijqq: what exactly are you unsure about?
2023-07-13 12:16:08	thursdaylark	feral_hedgehog: have you tried specifying After=network.target in the [Unit] section? the systemd.special manpage says that any unit that specifies this will be stopped before the networking is shut down, but it also only discusses this in the case of system shutdown, and doesn't specify if this is the same for suspending.
2023-07-13 12:16:18	thursdaylark	might be worth a try, though
2023-07-13 12:19:04	ijqq	I have now made three partitions (2G EFI System, 8G linux swap, and 220 G Linux root (x86-64)). So do I need to moint them now?
2023-07-13 12:19:07	ijqq	mount*
2023-07-13 12:19:44	thursdaylark	ijqq: you're on to section 1.10 of the install guide in that case
2023-07-13 12:19:46	ijqq	Okay never mind, I read ahead.
2023-07-13 12:19:54	thursdaylark	heh
2023-07-13 12:20:13	Gnana	part the 220 to Half with home, otherwise whenever your need to reinstalled it will remove all the files,
2023-07-13 12:20:22	ijqq	I think i was getting confused because i thought that my actions in 1.9 should lead to the result shown in 1.9.1
2023-07-13 12:21:01	kode54	I think the Power management article could use an edit, not sure if I have wiki account any more
2023-07-13 12:21:03	kode54	I think I do
2023-07-13 12:21:07	kode54	https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/power_management_guide/aspm
2023-07-13 12:21:11	phrik	Title: 3.7. Active-State Power Management Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 | Red Hat Customer PortalRed Hat Customer Portal - Access to 24x7 support and knowledge (at access.redhat.com)
2023-07-13 12:21:35	kode54	that redhat article helpfully told me there's an ASPM variable I can set on kernel command line to change the boot time policy from whatever the kernel was configured with
2023-07-13 12:21:49	Gnana	ijqq: create home partition
2023-07-13 12:21:53	Gnana	too
2023-07-13 12:21:53	kode54	my board and bios support ASPM, but default it to disable
2023-07-13 12:22:14	kode54	so kernels using the "default" state will leave it disabled
2023-07-13 12:22:47	kode54	this BIOS also has no menu options to control ASPM settings, thanks MSI
2023-07-13 12:23:12	Ennea	kode54, the power management article already mentions ASPM though?
2023-07-13 12:23:19	kode54	it does
2023-07-13 12:23:39	kode54	but it doesn't mention pcie_aspm.policy
2023-07-13 12:23:47	Ennea	it does
2023-07-13 12:23:49	kode54	oh
2023-07-13 12:23:59	Ennea	just below that red warning box: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management#Active_State_Power_Management
2023-07-13 12:24:01	phrik	Title: Power management - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-13 12:24:01	kode54	but does it mention you can set it to any policy, and not just force?
2023-07-13 12:24:12	kode54	oh
2023-07-13 12:24:14	kode54	brain fart
2023-07-13 12:24:21	kode54	sorry, go about your business
2023-07-13 12:24:46	ijqq	Oh I thought root is everything already Gnana?
2023-07-13 12:24:56	kode54	btw
2023-07-13 12:25:02	kode54	that reminds me of a funny story
2023-07-13 12:25:03	ijqq	If i am the only one using my pc, should I still make a separate home partition?
2023-07-13 12:25:26	thursdaylark	ijqq: you don't have to create a separate home partition if you don't want one. it's a personal choice
2023-07-13 12:25:32	Gnana	ijqq: part root too half then format both of them, start installing feteching file from internet
2023-07-13 12:25:34	kode54	https://fosstodon.org/@kernellogger/110706059131305223
2023-07-13 12:25:36	phrik	Title: Thorsten Leemhuis (1/4): "They joys of bugs in hardware or firmware[1]: A …" - Fosstodon (at fosstodon.org)
2023-07-13 12:25:51	Gnana	the pacstrap ijqq 
2023-07-13 12:25:53	Gnana	pacstrap -K /mnt base linux linux-firmware
2023-07-13 12:26:02	kode54	ASPM being enabled on specific Realtek ethernet devices (the 8169gu/8111gu) broke iwlwifi on those same machines
2023-07-13 12:26:56	kode54	8168?
2023-07-13 12:26:57	kode54	my bad
2023-07-13 12:27:23	kode54	anyway, that specific chip version, the 6.4.x and 6.5.x kernels now disallow ASPM on them
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2023-07-13 12:28:00	kode54	apparently the power save modes cause them to interfere with the whole bus or something glitchy like that
2023-07-13 12:28:18	kode54	quality hardware, realtek
2023-07-13 12:28:48	kode54	sorry for missing that state in the article on arch wiki
2023-07-13 12:29:15	kode54	it threw me because the set-policy-on-boot info is all the way at the bottom of the article
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2023-07-13 12:29:35	kode54	I should read the entire article before complaining something is missing
2023-07-13 12:29:41	barlas	For some reason I can't boot from the usb drive. Tried writing it with cat / dd / cp / gnome-disk-utility
2023-07-13 12:29:48	barlas	Not sure what I am missing.
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2023-07-13 12:30:34	thursdaylark	barlas: could be something with the hardware you're trying to boot. have you booted the machine in question from USB before?
2023-07-13 12:30:49	barlas	dd doesn't want to write on /dev/sdb, it writes fine in /dev/sdb1, but the wiki says to write /dev/sdb, not sdb1.
2023-07-13 12:31:21	barlas	A long time ago. :D
2023-07-13 12:31:28	thursdaylark	oh, yeah, writing the image to a partition isn't going to work at all :P
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2023-07-13 12:31:58	barlas	Yeah, but when I do cat arch.iso > /dev/sdb it is finished in a second, like it didn't even try.
2023-07-13 12:32:01	kode54	oh damn
2023-07-13 12:32:05	kode54	it was right there in the same section
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2023-07-13 12:32:24	thursdaylark	barlas: are you getting any output from dd when it fails to write to the disk?
2023-07-13 12:32:39	barlas	Yeah, let me get the exact error.
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2023-07-13 12:33:40	barlas	Failed to open '/dev/sdb/' invalid argument
2023-07-13 12:33:57	thursdaylark	drop the trailing /
2023-07-13 12:33:58	ijqq	yep i've reached the section saying packstrap now Gnana
2023-07-13 12:34:21	barlas	Sorry, there is no trailing /, added it when writing here.
2023-07-13 12:34:38	thursdaylark	barlas: what's the full command you're using when you get that error?
2023-07-13 12:34:53	barlas	Copied from the wiki
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2023-07-13 12:35:37	thursdaylark	still... need to check your work :P
2023-07-13 12:36:01	barlas	dd bs=4M if=/path/archliux-version.iso of=/dev/sdb conv=fsync oflag=direct status=progress
2023-07-13 12:36:31	barlas	Heh, yeah, I was typing. It's a different machine. IRC is on tablet. So couldn't copy / paste.
2023-07-13 12:36:48	barlas	Running from root.
2023-07-13 12:36:53	barlas	sudo su -
2023-07-13 12:38:35	barlas	It can write to /dev/sdb1, if I only add 1 to the above command, it works.
2023-07-13 12:38:58	thursdaylark	hrm... you sure /dev/sdb is the correct target device?
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2023-07-13 12:41:07	barlas	I tried it using /dev/disk/by-id/usb-<the long name> too, it gave the same message.
2023-07-13 12:41:18	barlas	Could it be the issue with the USB drive?
2023-07-13 12:41:40	grawity	can you `ls -ld /dev/sdb*` to check if it's actually a device file still
2023-07-13 12:41:43	barlas	When I try fdisk or cfdisk on it, it doesn't allow me to create anything bigger than 812 MB, but the drive is 64GB
2023-07-13 12:41:50	grawity	and not an accidentally made regular file
2023-07-13 12:41:57	thursdaylark	ooh, not a bad idea
2023-07-13 12:42:04	grawity	812 MB sounds about right for your /dev tmpfs capacity
2023-07-13 12:42:21	grawity	or actually, for the iso you dd'd to a nonexistent /dev/sdb and made a regular file there
2023-07-13 12:44:15	Gnana	ijqq: nice
2023-07-13 12:44:15	◣	lorebett (~Thunderbi@150.217.251.74) ha salido (Quit: lorebett)
2023-07-13 12:44:30	barlas	Hmm...
2023-07-13 12:45:01	◣	LightBearer (~LightBear@98.97.62.252) ha salido (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2023-07-13 12:45:05	barlas	It seems like it, /dev/sdb has 814MB size, and permissions are "root root" , sdb1 doesn't has a size, and "root disk" permission
2023-07-13 12:45:35	◣	YamatoHD (~yamato@ip200-231-225-195.nat.kram.ua) ha salido (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2023-07-13 12:45:37	barlas	So, unplug USB, delete the file, then plug it, and try again?
2023-07-13 12:45:44	grawity	look at the file type/perms field
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2023-07-13 12:45:53	grawity	and yes, delete the file then reconnect the USB stick
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2023-07-13 12:46:42	barlas	lol, what a stupid issue. :-D
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2023-07-13 12:46:52	barlas	Thanks, it's installing to /dev/sdb now.
2023-07-13 12:47:06	thursdaylark	the downside of a sharp tool is that you can definitely cut yourself :P
2023-07-13 12:47:16	barlas	Haha, true.
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2023-07-13 12:47:34	Ennea	thursdaylark, still better than using a dull tool to do a sharp job ;)
2023-07-13 12:47:39	Ennea	wait, does this still translate to linux? ...
2023-07-13 12:47:40	thursdaylark	^
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2023-07-13 12:47:58	barlas	Yay! boot success.
2023-07-13 12:48:07	thursdaylark	something something... no complaints about my dull tool... something something...
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2023-07-13 12:49:14	Furai	Dull = basic features = less way to fuck it up = stable?
2023-07-13 12:49:28	◥	TokieSan_ (~TokieSan@user/TokieSan) has joined #archlinux
2023-07-13 12:49:48	Furai	BTW, am I the only one that uses `sudo -i` to log in as root?
2023-07-13 12:49:54	thursdaylark	nope :P
2023-07-13 12:50:25	◣	TokieSan (~TokieSan@user/TokieSan) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2023-07-13 12:50:57	barlas	:O 
2023-07-13 12:51:19	thursdaylark	and now barlas does too :D
2023-07-13 12:51:25	barlas	Didn't know about sudo -i, I remember I thought myself pretty clever when I did sudo su - for the first time.
2023-07-13 12:51:38	Furai	:D
2023-07-13 12:52:07	barlas	BTW, you guys were right, sda, wasn't the right disk for grub :-P
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2023-07-13 12:57:31	ijqq	oops i did everything except step 3.8 (boot loader) and the restarted my pc haha
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2023-07-13 12:57:59	ijqq	will it be easy for me to go back to where i left off? or will i have to do it all again?
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2023-07-13 12:59:38	thursdaylark	no big deal. boot the install env, mount your partitions again, then pick up what you forgot earlier :)
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2023-07-13 13:01:38	ℹ 	geekodour320 es conocido ahora como geekodour32
2023-07-13 13:02:09	Disguised	Guys i need help 
2023-07-13 13:02:12	Disguised	https://ibb.co/kKfCP6q
2023-07-13 13:02:13	phrik	Title: IMG-20230713-163149 hosted at ImgBB — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2023-07-13 13:02:14	ℹ 	Ampera_ es conocido ahora como Ampera
2023-07-13 13:02:19	Disguised	Please help 
2023-07-13 13:02:19	Disguised	:(
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2023-07-13 13:04:08	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
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2023-07-13 13:03:07	barlas	Thanks, back in the system! Grub installed properly now.
2023-07-13 13:03:27	barlas	3 mins to fix the issue, 2 hours to make the rescue disk :-D
2023-07-13 13:03:29	Disguised	Can anyone heelp me ?
2023-07-13 13:03:50	thursdaylark	Disguised: what are you attempting to do here
2023-07-13 13:04:08	thursdaylark	also, maybe properly rotate the pic next time? :P
2023-07-13 13:04:08	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-07-13 13:04:24	Disguised	thursdaylark: trying to install arch on my new laptop?
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2023-07-13 13:04:50	thursdaylark	ok, so why are you trying to install packages in the install env?
2023-07-13 13:06:08	Disguised	thursdaylark: https://ibb.co/H4JB1XR
2023-07-13 13:06:10	phrik	Title: IMG-20230713-163547 hosted at ImgBB — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2023-07-13 13:06:12	igemnace	yeah you sure you didn't miss mounting onto /mnt? also linux-firmware is misspelled (you have linux-firwmare)
2023-07-13 13:06:15	Disguised	This is the reason why
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2023-07-13 13:06:42	thursdaylark	typo
2023-07-13 13:07:11	thursdaylark	s/linux-firwmare/linux-firmware/
2023-07-13 13:07:28	Disguised	Thanks a lot 
2023-07-13 13:07:32	Disguised	I am drunk 
2023-07-13 13:07:38	Disguised	So dont mind 
2023-07-13 13:08:04	thursdaylark	I don't mind at all ;)
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2023-07-13 20:42:10	ℹ 	baltazaar es conocido ahora como baltazar
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2023-07-13 21:02:37	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
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2023-07-13 21:02:39	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-07-13 21:07:24	ℹ 	frostbite7 es conocido ahora como frostbite
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2023-07-13 21:11:56	ℹ 	astralc1 es conocido ahora como astralc
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2023-07-13 21:19:03	TheDcoder	Hi, I'm planning to build a new PC. Should I go with AMD or Nvidia? Does AMD have any nasty surprises in store aside from not being "CUDA capable"?
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2023-07-13 21:25:04	mefistofeles	TheDcoder: either will suck under Linux
2023-07-13 21:25:04	mefistofeles	:P
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2023-07-13 21:26:05	TheDcoder	mefistofeles: well... does AMD suck more than Nvidia? :P
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2023-07-13 21:27:59	mefistofeles	TheDcoder: hard to tell, honestly nvidia has worked "okay" for me, but people seem to think amd works better around here
2023-07-13 21:28:36	TheDcoder	I share your experience, I'm an Nvidia user myself, my current PC has it.
2023-07-13 21:28:38	Hunts	TheDcoder: all depends on the usage, which you did not mention
2023-07-13 21:28:45	TheDcoder	Hunts: gaming obviously :)
2023-07-13 21:30:11	mefistofeles	TheDcoder: use windows for gaming
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2023-07-13 21:32:01	TheDcoder	mefistofeles: I'll be dual-booting
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2023-07-13 21:33:14	farkenvoid	wtf
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2023-07-13 21:56:41	bluetail	during operation, access went to read access only. Calling nano would return into input / output error. Memory seems fine. How do I diagnose whats happening? After a hard shutdown the SSD is working again.
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2023-07-13 21:57:22	bluetail	hdsentinel doesnt report any errors
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2023-07-13 21:59:16	bluetail	well, maybe next time I get enterprise ssds...
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2023-07-13 22:02:55	lockdown	If I open/close the lid but 'cat /proc/acpi/button/lid/LID0/state` always shows the same value, is this a laptop hardware support issue?
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2023-07-13 22:04:58	machinehum	One of my drives dropped sde1 and now just has a sde2
2023-07-13 22:05:12	machinehum	And all my data is gone, any suggestions?
2023-07-13 22:05:32	machinehum	!paste
2023-07-13 22:05:33	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-07-13 22:06:06	machinehum	!ix
2023-07-13 22:06:07	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2023-07-13 22:06:25	machinehum	http://ix.io/4Awo
2023-07-13 22:06:43	machinehum	I tried 'sudo fsck -y /dev/sde'
2023-07-13 22:07:07	bluetail	wtf
2023-07-13 22:07:22	machinehum	What did I do
2023-07-13 22:07:22	bluetail	machinehum check with smartmontools / hdsentinel
2023-07-13 22:07:28	Namarrgon	you can't "fsck" a partition table, e2fsck is for ext* filesystems
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2023-07-13 22:07:54	bluetail	if all disks are OK I suspect maybe the current kernel is broken
2023-07-13 22:08:00	Namarrgon	fdisk -l /dev/sde
2023-07-13 22:08:13	bluetail	I mean, I had a issue too... but maybe not? I mean, it wouldnt boot without the power off
2023-07-13 22:08:29	Namarrgon	uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2023-07-13 22:08:37	farkenvoid	sounds impossible to boot with power off
2023-07-13 22:08:48	machinehum	linux 6.4.3.arch1-1
2023-07-13 22:08:59	Namarrgon	and uname -r?
2023-07-13 22:09:04	bluetail	farkenvoid thats not what I meant
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2023-07-13 22:09:10	machinehum	6.4.3-arch1-1
2023-07-13 22:09:13	farkenvoid	carry on
2023-07-13 22:09:25	bluetail	I had to push the power button till the machine turned off because I couldnt issue any command anymore 
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2023-07-13 22:09:32	machinehum	https://paste.rs/WJfmf
2023-07-13 22:09:42	bluetail	I initially pressed the reset button, and then my PC would not boot the nvme
2023-07-13 22:09:49	bluetail	after a power cycle, I could boot again
2023-07-13 22:09:56	bluetail	S.M.A.R.T of my nvme is OK
2023-07-13 22:10:03	Namarrgon	machinehum: does sde2 still mount fine?
2023-07-13 22:10:12	machinehum	Yeah but it's empty
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2023-07-13 22:10:29	farkenvoid	oops
2023-07-13 22:10:35	Namarrgon	considering how sde2 starts at block 2048 i would guess that there sde1 did not come before it
2023-07-13 22:10:48	machinehum	Yeah I was looking at that
2023-07-13 22:11:01	machinehum	I don't know how all my data just got nerfed 
2023-07-13 22:11:05	Namarrgon	are you sure it's the correct disk?
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2023-07-13 22:11:17	topcat001	I often have an Arduino plugged into my desktop, and sometimes the firmware becomes unresponsive/laggy on reboot
2023-07-13 22:11:18	machinehum	I'll try some other disks
2023-07-13 22:11:20	bluetail	probably arch did a switcheroo
2023-07-13 22:11:38	machinehum	The UUID changed
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2023-07-13 22:11:46	topcat001	Unplugging before reboot avoids the issue
2023-07-13 22:12:14	topcat001	bluetail's issue reminded me :)
2023-07-13 22:12:25	machinehum	https://paste.rs/0UrO9
2023-07-13 22:13:04	Namarrgon	is that an external disk?
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2023-07-13 22:13:21	machinehum	Nah
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2023-07-13 22:13:29	Namarrgon	did you disable SMART for it?
2023-07-13 22:13:33	machinehum	no
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2023-07-13 22:13:41	Namarrgon	can you enable it?
2023-07-13 22:13:45	bumblefuzz	how do I make my CLI look like the installer CLI?
2023-07-13 22:13:55	Namarrgon	bumblefuzz: pacman -Ss grml
2023-07-13 22:14:24	susi	wut dat even means?
2023-07-13 22:14:36	susi	ah, the infamous archinstall maybe
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2023-07-13 22:17:16	bumblefuzz	thank you
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2023-07-13 22:22:09	teraflops	bluetail: you could run nvme smart-log /dev/nvme0 (your device there) from time to time to see if anything is ok
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2023-07-13 22:29:22	machinehum	Yeah checked it's that drive... something deleted sde1 and not there's just an empty sde2 wtf...
2023-07-13 22:29:22	machinehum	now*
2023-07-13 22:29:22	machinehum	Is there anything that can scan through and check...?
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2023-07-13 22:30:15	machinehum	I have the old UUID from my fstab if that is helpful somehow
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2023-07-13 22:33:28	Namarrgon	testdisk, but ideally you'd let it work on an image, not on the original
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2023-07-13 22:35:19	machinehum	Thanks, I'll give that a go
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2023-07-13 22:40:18	Disguised	aspirin: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/csgo-osx-linux/issues/3210
2023-07-13 22:40:25	Disguised	It doesnt work
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2023-07-13 22:40:43	aspirin	Disguised: lemme check
2023-07-13 22:41:10	Disguised	I am using ryzen 9 12 core cpu and RTX 4060. It is one of the beefy hardwares anyone can have 
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2023-07-13 22:42:20	aspirin	it's a new issue, I haven't fired csgo in a while
2023-07-13 22:42:43	aspirin	that being said, I had an issue where the game would completely freeze and lock up whenever my team won
2023-07-13 22:43:03	aspirin	I think I enabled the laptop energy saving mode and that fixed it
2023-07-13 22:43:25	aspirin	dunno if that will fix your issue, but you could give it a shot (assuming you're able to open the game)
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2023-07-13 22:45:23	Disguised	aspirin: i cannot launch the game
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2023-07-13 22:46:02	aspirin	Disguised: you're not using nouveau, right?
2023-07-13 22:46:16	aspirin	I would try and launch the game but I'm not at home right now
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2023-07-13 22:46:44	Disguised	aspirin: no proprietary 
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2023-07-13 22:54:37	Disguised	I cannot run csgo on arch linux i need helo
2023-07-13 22:54:40	Disguised	Help**
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2023-07-13 22:55:18	whoever	hi all 
2023-07-13 22:55:41	whoever	is there a zoom meeting repo in aur 
2023-07-13 22:55:43	aspirin	Disguised: try running steam in a terminal and see if it shows any error messages when you launch the game
2023-07-13 22:56:54	Disguised	When i try steam proton it says fatal error cannot connect to the steam client
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2023-07-13 23:00:36	aspirin	Disguised: also, counter strike may have a command line option to launch in software rendering mode. I can't remember it off the top of my head now, but you can find it online
2023-07-13 23:00:56	aspirin	I'm leaving for now, best of luck with your problems
2023-07-13 23:01:06	whoever	AUR is down for me . is it down for you all 
2023-07-13 23:01:57	teraflops	git? web?
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2023-07-13 23:02:10	Edu4rdSHL	It's working perfectly fine
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2023-07-13 23:02:50	teraflops	xpra
2023-07-13 23:02:51	teraflops	oops
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2023-07-13 23:02:59	Edu4rdSHL	whoever, also wdym with "a zoom meeting repo"
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2023-07-13 23:44:26	machinehum	https://imgur.com/a/9MpJrUa
2023-07-13 23:44:26	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2023-07-13 23:44:33	machinehum	What is this telling me....
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2023-07-13 23:50:04	machinehum	There are two partitions starting in the same spot?
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2023-07-13 23:51:23	machinehum	The second one listed looks like the real one...
2023-07-13 23:51:36	gehidore	so select the second one
2023-07-13 23:51:43	akik	"This post may contain erotic or adult imagery."
2023-07-13 23:51:50	akik	then, a disappointment
2023-07-13 23:52:05	gehidore	they've been pretty hot and heavy applying that flag to stuff
2023-07-13 23:52:07	machinehum	Sorry akik just my dumbass trying to recover data
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2023-07-14 00:02:53	ursa	historically, why does the mkfs.vfat->mkfs.fat symlink exist?
2023-07-14 00:03:05	ursa	what prompted the creation of mkfs.vfat when mkfs.fat was a thing?
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2023-07-14 00:04:15	Earnestly	vfat
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2023-07-15 00:24:28	alkino	Hello, sorry to annoy you i have bad time installing a fresh luks system. When I boot I have "GRUB loading" and it restart
2023-07-15 00:26:10	alkino	I have no idea what to try more. Following wiki if course
2023-07-15 00:26:43	Namarrgon	how did you install grub?
2023-07-15 00:26:48	Mion	luks unlocked by kernel or grub?
2023-07-15 00:27:52	alkino	Kernel. /boot on /dev/sda1
2023-07-15 00:28:23	alkino	I formatted /boot and grub-install and grub-mkconfig
2023-07-15 00:29:51	Namarrgon	what were the exact command?
2023-07-15 00:29:55	Namarrgon	*commands
2023-07-15 00:32:20	Phr33d0m	I went on a journey to change my budgie desktop with deepin desktop on my arch and oh boy, what a bad idea that was
2023-07-15 00:33:11	Phr33d0m	deepin is so broken... deepin-anything-dkms kept failing to build, even though I managed to log into deepin there were so many gfx glitches that it was unusable
2023-07-15 00:33:40	Phr33d0m	time to wait another year and see if it gets anywhere...
2023-07-15 00:34:39	alkino	https://pastebin.com/MkQtprZe
2023-07-15 00:34:41	phrik	Title: Cryptsetup open /dev/sda2 rootCryptsetup open /dev/sda3 homeMount /dev/mappe - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-07-15 00:34:45	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/Hj9d.txt
2023-07-15 00:35:05	alkino	Last line is on /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2023-07-15 00:35:12	alkino	Being on a phone right now xD
2023-07-15 00:35:34	Namarrgon	that's a bit useless since it doesn't reflect the commands you ran
2023-07-15 00:36:00	alkino	Hm yes
2023-07-15 00:36:09	Namarrgon	does the box not support uefi?
2023-07-15 00:36:33	alkino	no uefi
2023-07-15 00:36:40	alkino	Old computer
2023-07-15 00:38:11	Namarrgon	is your /boot encrypted?
2023-07-15 00:38:17	alkino	No
2023-07-15 00:38:36	Namarrgon	which device is mounted to /boot?
2023-07-15 00:38:52	alkino	/dev/sda1
2023-07-15 00:39:07	Amnesia	teraflops: GROFF_NO_SGR=1 'solves' my issue :D
2023-07-15 00:39:54	Namarrgon	ls -l /mnt/boot
2023-07-15 00:46:03	alkino	https://0x0.st/Hj9h.txt
2023-07-15 00:51:07	Namarrgon	alkino: did you get any errors from grub-install?
2023-07-15 00:51:15	alkino	None
2023-07-15 00:51:53	alkino	You can ask me any file now, with 0x0.st I can send them
2023-07-15 00:58:49	Namarrgon	alkino: can you post the grub-install --verbose output?
2023-07-15 00:59:13	Namarrgon	sorry, the --debug output
2023-07-15 01:03:13	alkino	https://0x0.st/Hjpz.text
2023-07-15 01:05:38	Scimmia	supposed to be .txt, I assume
2023-07-15 01:06:15	alkino	Yes, sorry, autocorrect...
2023-07-15 01:06:39	Scimmia	wait, you're installing BIOS, not UEFI?
2023-07-15 01:06:48	alkino	Yes
2023-07-15 01:06:51	Scimmia	(I just got here)
2023-07-15 01:09:42	Scimmia	GPT on BIOS? That doesn't work in all cases
2023-07-15 01:10:16	mefistofeles	ChatGPT on BIOS
2023-07-15 01:10:27	rcf	If it's trying to load GRUB at least, it's probably fine 
2023-07-15 01:10:42	Scimmia	hmm, yeah, probably. I'm still trying to catch up
2023-07-15 01:11:32	Namarrgon	could be fragments of an old grub in the mbr
2023-07-15 01:11:49	Namarrgon	or it fails to load the rest from the bios-boot partition
2023-07-15 01:12:20	Namarrgon	fdisk -l /dev/sda
2023-07-15 01:12:37	Scimmia	ug, so much bad info being posted to sift through. You didn't actually run 'Mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/home' right?
2023-07-15 01:12:54	Namarrgon	better to ignore that  whole paste...
2023-07-15 01:14:16	alkino	https://0x0.st/Hjp8.txt
2023-07-15 01:14:36	alkino	Yes ignore the hand written paste ^^
2023-07-15 01:15:20	Scimmia	there's an issue. the BIOS boot partition is NOT what gets mounted to /boot. Ever
2023-07-15 01:15:39	Namarrgon	it wasn't even supposed to have a filesystem
2023-07-15 01:15:49	Scimmia	it should be 1M or so and totally empty
2023-07-15 01:16:18	alkino	OK, I got it. This is only a placeholder for the MBR
2023-07-15 01:16:27	alkino	And the boot partition is something else
2023-07-15 01:16:29	alkino	Right?
2023-07-15 01:16:35	Namarrgon	it's an extension of the mbr, it doesn't replace it
2023-07-15 01:16:38	Scimmia	pretty much
2023-07-15 01:16:40	alkino	Ok
2023-07-15 01:17:06	Mion	on gpt, you can't rely on the gap between the mbr and the first partition, so you need to reserve space for grub
2023-07-15 01:17:20	rcf	Yeah, it's installing fine to /dev/sda1... but then that's presumably getting trashed by the filesystem that's also mounted from there. 
2023-07-15 01:22:51	alkino	I erased the whole disk and come back to tell you the success
2023-07-15 01:32:25	Namarrgon	oh, no
2023-07-15 01:42:19	Steven_M	Hi All, the other day I created an Arch Install USB using the DD method shown here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/USB_flash_installation_medium . Unfortunately, I forgot to run the flush command after DD'ing, before unmounting the stick. Do you think the software on the stick could be corrupted?
2023-07-15 01:42:20	phrik	Title: USB flash installation medium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-15 01:42:52	Mion	flush isn't needed generally
2023-07-15 01:42:57	Scimmia	as long as you umounted and not just pulled it, you're probably fine
2023-07-15 01:43:32	Mion	you can check the gpg/sha256 sum if you like
2023-07-15 01:44:06	Scimmia	but...what was mounted?
2023-07-15 01:45:10	rcf	Steven_M: if you ran the dd command as shown, and let it finish, it synced for you. 
2023-07-15 01:45:45	Steven_M	Scimmia: Actually, I'm not sure now
2023-07-15 01:45:55	rcf	You didn't mount anything 
2023-07-15 01:46:09	Steven_M	rcf: Okay :-)
2023-07-15 01:46:22	ectospasm	You don't need to mount it (and probably shouldn't) to use dd
2023-07-15 01:46:41	rcf	Trying to mount a disk while writing an image to it would end very poorly indeed. 
2023-07-15 01:48:51	ectospasm	If it was mounted before dd, unmounting could have corrupted the image.  The kernel likely didn't know that the image was written, so if it flushed anything when you unmounted it it likely corrupted the image from dd.
2023-07-15 01:49:00	ectospasm	Not guaranteeing that happened, but it's possible.
2023-07-15 01:53:07	Steven_M	ectospasm: rcf: "You don't need to mount it (and probably shouldn't) to use dd" Agreed, but the stick may have been auto-mounted after the DD completed, I can't remember.
2023-07-15 02:16:06	ectospasm	if it automounted after dd was complete, it's probably fine.  IIRC, the ISO image would be marked read-only, even when "burned" onto the flash drive.  So the kernel wouldn't have written anything to it in that case.
2023-07-15 02:16:10	ectospasm	Steven_M: ^
2023-07-15 02:17:46	Steven_M	ectospasm: okay, thanks
2023-07-15 02:34:01	Steven_M	ectospasm: Forget about mounting/unmounting for a moment, I think my first question should have been: I created an Arch Install USB using the DD method. Unfortunately, I forgot to run the flush command after DD'ing, before *unplugging* the stick. Do you think the software on the stick could be corrupted?
2023-07-15 02:34:39	ectospasm	Steven_M:  No, the dd would have flushed it already when it finished it.
2023-07-15 02:34:51	ectospasm	dd doesn't work at the same level that standard filesystems do
2023-07-15 02:35:00	ectospasm	It's more "low level," so to speak
2023-07-15 02:35:31	ectospasm	Basically, it writes the bits from if= into the device/file of of=, using whatever conversion you specify to dd
2023-07-15 02:35:55	ectospasm	Most of the time you don't specify a conversion, it just dutifully writes the bits
2023-07-15 02:36:18	ectospasm	And depending on your bs= count= parameters, it will be faster or slower.
2023-07-15 02:36:48	ectospasm	As long as you didn't pull the USB flash drive out before it finished, there was nothing to flush.
2023-07-15 02:40:18	Steven_M	ectospasm: Okay, thanks heaps for explaining. :-)
2023-07-15 02:41:25	ectospasm	I guess if you used count=, you might not have gotten the entire image
2023-07-15 02:41:48	ectospasm	And having a really large bs= doesn't matter, it will write a partial block when it gets to the end.
2023-07-15 02:42:22	ectospasm	Now, if you try to check the sum of the written image, you'll need to know how many blocks it wrote (dd should summarize that at the end, if you kept it)
2023-07-15 02:42:47	ectospasm	Otherwise you'll get the whole flash drive, which likely won't match the image you downloaded.
2023-07-15 02:46:13	rcf	ectospasm: note that dd needs flags to actually do all of that, but if they used the one from the wiki it'd be fine. 
2023-07-15 02:47:54	Steven_M	rcf: yes, I copied the wiki
2023-07-15 02:48:12	ectospasm	rcf: yep, That's why I was mentioning if=, of=, bs=, count-!
2023-07-15 02:49:00	Steven_M	ectospasm: rcf: understood, thanks. I've got to go now, have a good day/night where ever you are. :-)
2023-07-15 02:49:10	ectospasm	!next
2023-07-15 02:49:11	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2023-07-15 05:53:22	lmat	I'm using dolphin-emu to play a gamecube game, but it doesn't work. I open dolphin-emu, click "open" and select a ISO file for a game. The resulting window that shows up should show the game emulation, but it's just black, and dolphin-emu is no longer responding. Clicking the X says, "This window might be busy and is not responding. Do you want to terminate the application?" I've tried several
2023-07-15 05:53:22	lmat	games that 
2023-07-15 05:53:28	lmat	I have known to work in the past. I ran from a terminal so that I can see std out and std err, but the only thing that shows up is "Gtk-WARNING **: 23:52:57.698: Theme parsing error: <data>:1:0: Expected a valid selector" immediately upon startup (before the freeze). I'm using xfce4. Any clues?
2023-07-15 06:06:33	lmat	I'm trying to install dolphin-emu-git (https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/dolphin-emu-git?all_deps=1#pkgdeps) . One of the dependencies is libsfml-network.so (sfml). I installed sfml (https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/sfml/) which says "Provides: ... libsfml-network.so=2.6-64" but attempting to install dolphin-emu-git still says, "Missing dependencies:" ... "libsfml-network.so" How
2023-07-15 06:06:33	lmat	should I 
2023-07-15 06:06:36	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - dolphin-emu-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-07-15 06:06:38	lmat	proceed?
2023-07-15 06:07:05	lmat	I see /usr/lib/libsfml-network.so...
2023-07-15 06:08:56	WSDMatty	Which grahics backend are you using? I believe I had a similar problem trying to play Twilight Princess and it was the backend. i had the same issue, open the game and nthing but black screen. when i switched to a different one the game loaded normally.
2023-07-15 06:09:57	lmat	ahhh, I think I'm in a "complicated" setup. I have an intel graphics card, but also a Radeon graphics card on this laptop.
2023-07-15 06:10:01	lmat	It's really a headache!
2023-07-15 06:10:47	lmat	pacman -Q | grep radeon  only shows vulkan-radeon and lib32-vulkan-radeon. Maybe I need some more radeon... I also have mesa and mesa-utils.
2023-07-15 06:11:49	Scimmia	lmat: pacman -Qi sfml, is the provides there?
2023-07-15 06:12:09	Scimmia	unless you want to forget the -git version for now
2023-07-15 06:12:35	Scimmia	and are you using makepkg or some helper?
2023-07-15 06:12:43	lmat	Scimmia:   pacman -Qi sfml | grep -i provi;  shows "Provides   : None"
2023-07-15 06:13:01	lmat	Scimmia: makepkg -sri
2023-07-15 06:13:32	Scimmia	pastebin the whole output of pacman -Qi sfml, something isn't right here
2023-07-15 06:13:45	lmat	https://paste.rs/yhAxO
2023-07-15 06:14:30	Scimmia	update your system
2023-07-15 06:14:37	lmat	Scimmia: I'm getting the feeling it probably is a graphics driver problem, so installing the -git version probably won't help.
2023-07-15 06:14:40	lmat	UPDATING!!
2023-07-15 06:14:45	lmat	Scimmia: By the way, thank you very much for looking!
2023-07-15 06:14:55	Scimmia	np
2023-07-15 06:15:18	WSDMatty	I got missing cubeb and libspng when i tried building using makepkg -sri
2023-07-15 06:15:26	lmat	By the way, I love how pacman works now with the five simultaneous downloads and downloading the biggest packages first. It's so satisfying as it gets done... cooool
2023-07-15 06:15:32	lmat	WSDMatty: Yes, I knocked those out ^_^
2023-07-15 06:19:04	Scimmia	that should solve the missing dep problem, the provides were added in pkgrel 3. Doesn't mean it will help, but at least you've got that
2023-07-15 06:20:01	ectospasm	When did pacman start doing simultaneous downloads?  Maybe I haven't seen it since I almost always use pikaur, but it definitely doesn't do more than one download at a time.
2023-07-15 06:20:48	lmat	ectospasm: It's been a while...maybe a year now? /etc/pacman.conf has a ParallelDownloads=5
2023-07-15 06:21:22	lmat	ectospasm: Before that, I was using powerpill which was fine for what it was, but not perfect.
2023-07-15 06:21:44	ectospasm	Ahh, OK.  Then maybe I just haven't enabled it.  I'll have to look into it.
2023-07-15 06:22:22	ectospasm	I have noticed it downloading the largest packages first 
2023-07-15 06:22:50	Scimmia	didn't merge the .pacnew files then, either?
2023-07-15 06:23:00	lmat	Scimmia: updated, restarted, now the provides looks good. Dolphin-emu still doesn't work (it was upgraded, too!). I'm trying to install dolphin-emu-git now...cloning git repository, so the dependencies passed!
2023-07-15 06:23:21	lmat	Scimmia: Yeah, sounds like he ignored the pacnew file.
2023-07-15 06:23:51	ectospasm	Yeah, I tend to forget about doing that quite often 
2023-07-15 06:24:16	lmat	me, too!
2023-07-15 06:24:45	lmat	maybe I should install xf86-video-amdgpu...that has helped something in the past some time...
2023-07-15 06:24:51	lmat	(maybe not on this computer)
2023-07-15 06:25:47	ectospasm	Most times if I've been notified about it, it scrolls off the screen before I see it.  I typically don't pay close attention to the pacman/pikaur output once I've confirmed everything 
2023-07-15 06:26:19	lmat	ditto
2023-07-15 06:26:32	Scimmia	that can cause all kinds of issues. Pacman prints things for a reason
2023-07-15 06:26:44	WSDMatty	lmat: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AMDGPU  there are other drivers you might try too
2023-07-15 06:26:45	phrik	Title: AMDGPU - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-15 06:27:05	lmat	I have mesa and vilkan-radeon.
2023-07-15 06:27:20	lmat	I have a good feeling about xf86... ^_^ restarting!
2023-07-15 06:27:25	ectospasm	And especially on my laptop the list of packages to upgrade or new dependencies to install can be quite long, so I don't usually pay that close attention to it
2023-07-15 06:28:26	ectospasm	I do like that the pacman log does list everything, so I can always go back and look to see what it did 
2023-07-15 06:28:44	WSDMatty	ectospasm: Dont take offense. I was going to suggest you switch to Ubuntu, it's much more hands-off like that :P
2023-07-15 06:28:59	WSDMatty	forgot i wasn't in #aot what am i doing here
2023-07-15 06:29:38	lmat	drat, xf86-video-amdgpu didn't help. WSDMatty Any other ideas?
2023-07-15 06:29:53	WSDMatty	Still having the black screen?
2023-07-15 06:29:57	lmat	yes.
2023-07-15 06:30:08	lmat	WSDMatty: How did you even diagnose the problem? The application is totally silent.
2023-07-15 06:30:55	WSDMatty	Open dolphin-emu, click the "Graphics" button and there's different graphics options you can try in there. Otherwise Im out of ideas
2023-07-15 06:31:05	lmat	okay, thank you!
2023-07-15 06:31:26	ectospasm	I gave Ubuntu a try, right after I gave up on Gentoo.  It only took a year or two to move to Debian, which I finally gave up on a couple of years ago for Arch.
2023-07-15 06:32:41	ectospasm	And Arch has been pretty stable for me, if I've had any issues they haven't been unsurmountable 
2023-07-15 06:32:45	WSDMatty	I started using arch when they came out with windows7
2023-07-15 06:33:01	WSDMatty	Tat was the one after xp right?
2023-07-15 06:33:21	lmat	dunno
2023-07-15 06:33:32	ectospasm	Windows Vista was before Windows 7
2023-07-15 06:34:13	ectospasm	It seems every other release of Windows has been a flop
2023-07-15 06:34:36	ectospasm	Windows 3 notwithstanding 
2023-07-15 06:35:06	WSDMatty	Yeah i gave up on windows switched to Ubuntu then got irritated at my computer spinning up and doing things when i was laying in bed. Like, dafuq you doing ubuntu? I wanted more control, and arch gave me that. Maybe too much xD
2023-07-15 06:35:41	ectospasm	I love Arch because it's whatever you want it to be 
2023-07-15 06:36:04	lmat	<3
2023-07-15 06:36:22	ectospasm	And you don't have to compile everything under the sun like you do with Gentoo 
2023-07-15 06:37:12	WSDMatty	I wanted Gentoo without all of the compiling and thats Arch.
2023-07-15 06:37:21	ectospasm	What really separates it from Linux From Scratch is proper package management 
2023-07-15 06:37:50	WSDMatty	I was working on a project, LFS with pacman. Which is essentially Arch from Scratch
2023-07-15 06:38:08	WSDMatty	but the new build system with 6.0 made it more difficult
2023-07-15 06:38:38	ectospasm	Does pacstrap not count as Arch from scratch?
2023-07-15 06:38:55	lmat	I don't think that counts ;-)
2023-07-15 06:40:28	lmat	I'm not sure how to decide whether my graphics driver situation is to blame here. I installed xf86-video-amdgpu then chromium wouldn't launch. I removed it and restarted and now the computer seems fine. glxgears looks fine. I can also play counterstrike: Global Offensive okay.
2023-07-15 06:40:55	lmat	I'm back to installing dolphin-emu-git from aur...I'll see how that goes. It might take a long time, though.
2023-07-15 06:41:34	Scimmia	lmat: using prime?
2023-07-15 06:42:30	lmat	Scimmia: csgo prime? Yes.
2023-07-15 06:42:41	Scimmia	no, prime rendering offload
2023-07-15 06:42:59	Scimmia	or are you just using the integrated graphics and ignoring the amd card?
2023-07-15 06:43:10	lmat	Scimmia: I don't know!
2023-07-15 06:43:21	lmat	I might be ignoring the amd...let me check the logs.
2023-07-15 06:45:12	lmat	I'm not sure how to tell :(
2023-07-15 06:45:13	Scimmia	I'm guessing on the setup based on the fact you said it was a laptop. See https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PRIME
2023-07-15 06:45:15	phrik	Title: PRIME - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-15 06:47:11	lmat	glxinfo; says "OpenGL renderer string: VERDE (, LLVM 15.0.7, DRM 2.50, 6.4.3-arch1-1)" among other things.
2023-07-15 06:47:47	lmat	xrandr --listproviders; says "Providers: number : 1" so maybe the AMD card is turned off in BIOS.
2023-07-15 06:48:17	lmat	(I certainly may have done that. I remember the AMD card crashing a lot causing a 5.5-second freeze...)
2023-07-15 06:49:18	lmat	Okay, so it looks like I'm just using the intel card. That's good to know. Maybe I should install something intelly... xf86-video-intel maybe
2023-07-15 06:50:04	Scimmia	unless it's a really old system, you do NOT want that
2023-07-15 06:50:55	lmat	It's not new...
2023-07-15 06:51:23	Scimmia	I'm talking 4th gen core at the latest. Anything newer, forget about that
2023-07-15 06:51:58	lmat	okay.
2023-07-15 06:52:33	lmat	Is xf86-video-nouveau better?
2023-07-15 06:52:53	Scimmia	for a system without nvidia? Um, what?
2023-07-15 06:53:35	lmat	Scimmia: Sorry...I think nouveau is an open source driver for something...thought it was for intel ^_^
2023-07-15 06:53:42	Scimmia	on most Intel setups, you just want the modesetting driver which is included with the xorg server
2023-07-15 06:54:10	lmat	Yeah, it says modesetting. Okay, I won't mess with that then. Maybe I should try to turn the AMD card back on and install the xf86 amdgpu one.
2023-07-15 06:54:22	Scimmia	then there are some separate vaapi and vulcan things
2023-07-15 06:54:30	rcf	lmat: even for AMD I’d recommend modesetting
2023-07-15 06:54:35	lmat	or...I could ... debug dolphin-emu  :shudder:
2023-07-15 06:54:42	lmat	rcf: Duly noted.
2023-07-15 06:55:18	lmat	I have to go now. Thank you very much for all your input!
2023-07-15 06:55:21	Scimmia	the amdgpu ddx should be better than the modesetting one. I should work on modesetting, though
2023-07-15 06:55:33	Scimmia	s/I/It
2023-07-15 06:55:41	lmat	Scimmia: Gotcha, thank you!
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2023-07-15 09:48:08	adi2	why pacman -Syu error: could not open file /var/lib/pacman/sync/core.db: Unrecognized archive format
2023-07-15 09:48:29	archdemon	what did google tell you
2023-07-15 09:49:21	adi2	archdemon: ok, i will try google again
2023-07-15 09:50:51	teraflops	adi2: last update went south? faulty disk?
2023-07-15 09:52:12	adi2	teraflops: i only remembered last pacman -Syu it upgraded gpgme 
2023-07-15 09:52:42	archdemon	mirror could be bad?
2023-07-15 09:53:16	adi2	archdemon: i tried from worldwide mirror same error result.
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2023-07-15 09:53:51	rcf	adi2: does -Syyu help? 
2023-07-15 09:54:44	bookworm	is this some ancient installation that you now try to update several months / years worth of updates?
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2023-07-15 09:55:30	adi2	rcf: with -Syyu upgrade went completed. there's nothing to do as the result
2023-07-15 09:55:51	rcf	adi2: you had a corrupted database for whatever reason. Which isn't good, but if it can sync now at least.... 
2023-07-15 09:56:03	adi2	bookworm: nope. i always -Syu minimum every week
2023-07-15 09:56:10	HumanLove	sudo pacman -Scc
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2023-07-15 09:56:17	HumanLove	?
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2023-07-15 09:57:02	HumanLove	i use rate-mirrors to healthy mirror
2023-07-15 09:57:05	HumanLove	for*
2023-07-15 09:58:27	adi2	HumanLove: yes! after -Scc. I can do -Syu. there's nothing to do as the result. . thank you all. :0
2023-07-15 09:58:36	HumanLove	hm
2023-07-15 09:58:39	HumanLove	ok welcome.
2023-07-15 09:59:17	adi2	HumanLove: i removed unused repositories. then the -Syu went completed without error.
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2023-07-15 10:00:28	rcf	adi2: consider whether there is a local cause for the corruption, i.e. check journal for IO errors 
2023-07-15 10:01:00	HumanLove	(Ծ‸ Ծ)
2023-07-15 10:03:13	HumanLove	adi2: your disk has no problems. you just need remove the cache. rcf that what he means
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2023-07-15 10:04:36	adi2	thx HumanLove rcf 
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2023-07-15 10:06:38	rcf	HumanLove: the disk could have problems. 
2023-07-15 10:07:05	rcf	It could be a local or a mirror issue. 
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2023-07-15 10:07:45	rcf	For the mirror issue, -Syy and clearing the cache should resolve any problems with having downloaded corrupt databases or packages. 
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2023-07-15 10:09:00	adi2	rcf: clearing all /var/cache/pacman/pkg ?
2023-07-15 10:09:31	HumanLove	also see your home dir .cache dir
2023-07-15 10:10:11	rcf	That should have nothing to do with pacman 
2023-07-15 10:10:23	adi2	because i can not do -Syu again just now. I tried with worldwide mirror. it was so slow. so i press ctrl+c . now the error appear again 
2023-07-15 10:10:27	HumanLove	https://averagelinuxuser.com/clean-arch-linux/
2023-07-15 10:10:28	phrik	Title: How to clean Arch Linux | Average Linux User (at averagelinuxuser.com)
2023-07-15 10:10:48	HumanLove	adi2: sudo du -sh ~/.cache/
2023-07-15 10:10:56	rcf	The local cache has nothing to do with pacman, though. 
2023-07-15 10:11:14	damnwh0re	sudo pacman -Sccc
2023-07-15 10:11:19	rcf	You don't run it as a normal user, so it never touches ~/.cache 
2023-07-15 10:11:28	HumanLove	yes yes. just telling leting hme kno wthe beautiy for archies.
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2023-07-15 10:11:34	HumanLove	him know*
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2023-07-15 10:11:49	rcf	adi2: are there any IO errors in the journal? Just to be sure. 
2023-07-15 10:12:04	ℹ 	gnp_ es conocido ahora como gnp
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2023-07-15 10:12:18	rcf	adi2: if no, your mirrors suck, consider consulting the wiki on reflector 
2023-07-15 10:13:18	HumanLove	adi2: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/rate-mirrors check this
2023-07-15 10:13:20	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - rate-mirrors (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2023-07-15 10:14:26	HumanLove	then rate-mirror --allow-root --protocol https arch | sudo tee /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist <- adi2 
2023-07-15 10:14:42	HumanLove	it will get your best mirrors
2023-07-15 10:14:50	HumanLove	you*
2023-07-15 10:15:24	HumanLove	adi2: you know build packages? from aur?
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2023-07-15 10:15:53	rcf	I wouldn't go to the AUR just yet. rather get pacman working reliably first. 
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2023-07-15 10:19:31	coruja	or maybe just pick a well working mirror from the upper part of the list:
2023-07-15 10:19:36	coruja	!mirrorcheck
2023-07-15 10:19:37	phrik	If you want to check if your Arch Linux mirror is working fine, or to look for a better working one, visit https://archlinux.org/mirrors/status/#successful
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2023-07-15 10:20:31	teraflops	hey rate-mirrors is sexy
2023-07-15 10:21:02	alkino	So everything went fine, at the end. I change my BIOS config, and I'm now using UEFI \o/
2023-07-15 10:22:26	archdemon	good times
2023-07-15 10:22:53	alkino	(I asked some help, hours ago
2023-07-15 10:22:59	teraflops	)
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2023-07-15 10:28:29	archdemon	time for bed
2023-07-15 10:28:33	archdemon	!goodnight
2023-07-15 10:28:33	phrik	Goodnight to all from archdemon
2023-07-15 10:29:05	Mion	alkino: I tought you said the hardware didn't do uefi
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2023-07-15 10:47:52	ursa	"Enables support of a FAT partitioned harddisks on 86x PCs:"
2023-07-15 10:47:57	ursa	On https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/FAT
2023-07-15 10:47:59	phrik	Title: FAT - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-15 10:48:02	ursa	Is that a typo?
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2023-07-15 10:50:58	doctorboomfunk	hi could someone please provide me with the source of a compiled and built java-service-wrapper ..?
2023-07-15 10:51:04	doctorboomfunk	weird request, perhaps...
2023-07-15 10:51:05	doctorboomfunk	haha
2023-07-15 10:51:38	doctorboomfunk	although for whatever reason I am unable to build the package from the AUR, and the output given by makepkg is ... nothing.
2023-07-15 10:51:43	rcf	Mion: I've lost track of what my old crap systems can do, certainly. And it's changed a few times on some of them with firmware updates. 
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2023-07-15 10:53:30	rcf	doctorboomfunk: what is the exact output, it has to have something 
2023-07-15 10:53:42	doctorboomfunk	it simply just says;
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2023-07-15 10:54:17	doctorboomfunk	https://bpa.st/VQVA
2023-07-15 10:54:18	phrik	Title: View paste VQVA (at bpa.st)
2023-07-15 10:54:26	nl6720	ursa: looks like a typo to me. even without that typo, the whole sentence is a convoluted mess anyway
2023-07-15 10:54:54	ursa	nl6720: thanks, I wondered if 86x is some special CPU instruction needed
2023-07-15 10:55:32	nl6720	nah, it just means you need eighty six PCs to fully utilize the power :P
2023-07-15 10:55:41	rcf	doctorboomfunk: delete line 32 of the PKGBUILD. 
2023-07-15 10:55:46	rcf	There is no need to source /etc/profile 
2023-07-15 10:55:51	rcf	And it builds just fine. 
2023-07-15 10:55:55	doctorboomfunk	I see, wow. thanks!
2023-07-15 10:56:27	rcf	doctorboomfunk: apparently the AUR comments also suggest this, so for future reference, check those (https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/java-service-wrapper) 
2023-07-15 10:56:50	nl6720	ursa: since you found it, please fix the typo :)
2023-07-15 10:57:45	doctorboomfunk	thanks soo much!!!
2023-07-15 10:57:47	doctorboomfunk	wow.
2023-07-15 10:58:00	doctorboomfunk	oh okay, I did not really check it out. 
2023-07-15 10:58:01	doctorboomfunk	haha
2023-07-15 10:58:09	doctorboomfunk	apologies, I've not slept for a little time.
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2023-07-15 10:58:43	ursa	nl6720: I'm not going to register just to fix a typo
2023-07-15 10:58:51	rcf	doctorboomfunk: no problem, now you know
2023-07-15 10:59:01	ursa	if you have an account, please go ahead and fix it
2023-07-15 11:00:40	nl6720	!give ursa glare
2023-07-15 11:00:41	phrik	ursa: ಠ_ಠ
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2023-07-15 11:11:14	adi2	thank you HumanLove rcf .. I did login as root clear ~/.cache. -Scc. -Syyu. went the upgrade process until completed. It took many minute. because i used worldwide mirror. Now I will try to look fastest mirror. Read wiki.archlinux.org as usual :)
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2023-07-15 11:12:19	adi2	please excuse me now. i gtg. 
2023-07-15 11:12:29	adi2	bye for now.
2023-07-15 11:12:55	HumanLove	(´◉◞౪◟◉)
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2023-07-15 11:13:39	adi2	HumanLove: thx
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2023-07-15 11:14:08	HumanLove	np
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2023-07-15 11:34:42	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
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2023-07-15 11:55:46	WSDMatty	Does 'cargo test' compile the whole thing all over, or just compile the test?
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2023-07-15 11:56:17	WSDMatty	It looks to be compiling the exact same things a second time..
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2023-07-15 12:19:42	HumanLove	WSDMatty: rust?
2023-07-15 12:22:20	WSDMatty	HumanLove: Yes.
2023-07-15 12:22:29	HumanLove	#rust
2023-07-15 12:33:14	rcf	WSDMatty: it should just run the tests 
2023-07-15 12:33:20	rcf	Compiling as needed. 
2023-07-15 13:58:08	linsux	nvidia gnome wayland, alot bugs
2023-07-15 13:58:32	susi	>nvidia
2023-07-15 13:58:36	susi	halted reading there
2023-07-15 13:59:14	linsux	what's that mean
2023-07-15 13:59:30	susi	not proficient enough in english to really say it any better
2023-07-15 14:00:15	susi	it's a common meme in my language... to stop reading a line after a certain occurence
2023-07-15 14:03:34	linsux	what should i do 
2023-07-15 14:08:46	doctorboomfunk	stop, drop. and roll.
2023-07-15 14:08:50	doctorboomfunk	I guess.
2023-07-15 14:09:00	doctorboomfunk	let me know if it helps.
2023-07-15 14:13:10	Mion	in a pool of diesel
2023-07-15 14:15:11	doctorboomfunk	if it makes you happy.
2023-07-15 14:15:30	doctorboomfunk	who am I to judge.
2023-07-15 14:40:04	Korni22	Anybody know their way around systemd-networkd and flannel? (the CNI)
2023-07-15 14:40:04	Korni22	I have no network connectivity within the cluster, applied the fix in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kubernetes#Pods_cannot_communicate_when_using_Flannel_CNI_and_systemd-networkd and rebooted, still doesn't work, works fine with NetworkManager
2023-07-15 14:40:05	phrik	Title: Kubernetes - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-15 15:08:50	solsTiCe	hi. if I allow suspend, hibernate, and suspend-then-hibernate in /etc/ssytemd/sleep.conf, and trigger a suspend, it does not go into hibernate after some time right ? only if I trigger suspend-then-hibernate?
2023-07-15 15:12:46	solsTiCe	in fact, I have a problem, when my desktop goes into suspend to ram (configured to automatically goes to suspend in gnome settngs) I can't wake up the machine. int he log, I see it's gone to suspend automatically as expected but the led is not blinking anymore (what it does durin suspend) and the machine does not respond to keyboard mouse or ping
2023-07-15 15:13:58	fourHZ	solsTiCe the only idea i have is to ask you if you have enough SWAP?
2023-07-15 15:17:09	solsTiCe	I think. I am doing a test on the machine can't check right now
2023-07-15 15:18:05	solsTiCe	does auto suspend call systemctl suspend or something else in gnome shell ?
2023-07-15 16:07:28	doctorboomfunk	good citizens, please do let me know of the dns which the tor network uses?
2023-07-15 16:09:18	ursa	doctorboomfunk: there's no answer to your question
2023-07-15 16:09:55	ursa	onion services don't use DNS, and exit nodes can do whatever they want with any traffic including DNS traffic
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2023-07-15 16:27:35	lmat	WSDMatty: Scimmia: dolphin-emu-git works!! \o/
2023-07-15 16:28:25	xulfer	nice
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2023-07-15 17:05:53	demonicmaniac1	also ofc the question - did you update anything today before the fps plummetted? 
2023-07-15 17:05:56	Namarrgon	there was a recent issue with amdgpu where the ram would not clock up, ever; i'm not sure if that was already fixed
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2023-07-15 17:06:34	demonicmaniac1	hm i wonder if radeontop and such works for the 6000 series navis - that should list core clocks and ram clocks and utilization
2023-07-15 17:06:43	demonicmaniac1	easier to parse than debugs 
2023-07-15 17:06:45	Monsieur	dmesg looks fine, the only thing that might be suspicious is '[    0.770853] amd_pstate: driver load is disabled, boot with specific mode to enable this'
2023-07-15 17:06:46	demonicmaniac1	*debugfs
2023-07-15 17:06:58	demonicmaniac1	that's cpu not gpu
2023-07-15 17:07:23	Monsieur	radeontop does work, I'll give it a go
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2023-07-15 17:08:55	Monsieur	memory clock at 9.6%, the rest seems to scale up correctly (graphics pipe 100%)
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2023-07-15 17:14:31	Monsieur	demonicmaniac1, you were right. I searched for this memory clock issue and found this: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/10da6b8/memory_clock_stuck_low_on_the_7900xtx/ 
2023-07-15 17:14:32	phrik	Title: Memory clock stuck low on the 7900XTX : linux_gaming (at www.reddit.com)
2023-07-15 17:15:08	Monsieur	I changed my refresh rate from 120Hz to 100Hz and the memory clock is unstuck and FPS are back !
2023-07-15 17:15:25	Monsieur	Thank you :)
2023-07-15 17:15:38	demonicmaniac1	it was Namarrgon :) good to know theres a workaround
2023-07-15 17:15:51	Monsieur	Oh it was. Thanks Namarrgon !
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2023-07-15 18:05:44	conr	if i have two GPUs on the motherboard, how can i force Arch to boot to a certain one?
2023-07-15 18:05:44	WSDMatty	I want to smash my face into my desk. I keep getting "signature from "me" is invalid" "database 'wsdm' is not valid'" and i'll nuke pacmans keyring and re-init, repopulate, re-add my key.. it'll be fine for a bit then corrupted, again.
2023-07-15 18:08:07	WSDMatty	What could be causing it to see the sig as invalid and corrupt over and over?
2023-07-15 18:08:07	WSDMatty	conr: Integrated gpu and discreet gpus? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Hybrid_graphics
2023-07-15 18:08:07	phrik	Title: Hybrid graphics - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-07-15 18:08:41	conr	WSDMatty: no, 2 pci-e gpus. one was used for passthrough, but now i just dual boot.
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2023-07-15 18:10:30	conr	win11 load fine on the dp but when i boot arch, it shows the arch loading screen and just freezes.
2023-07-15 18:11:25	WSDMatty	Perhaps the drivers for the oine you want are not loading, it's trying to load the drivers for the other gpu? i do not know I am absolutely guessing now.
2023-07-15 18:12:27	Scimmia	WSDMatty: just your key doesn't work or all keys don't work?
2023-07-15 18:13:03	WSDMatty	Just mine, the rest of the repos are fine but my custom one worked all morning and decided to get argumentative a short while ago.\
2023-07-15 18:14:20	Scimmia	is it after a database update? Maybe not getting re-signed?
2023-07-15 18:15:23	Scimmia	reinitalizing the keyring wouldn't fix that, though
2023-07-15 18:18:03	Scimmia	when you're having the problem, check pacman-key --list-keys <you>, see if anything seem odd
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2023-07-15 18:18:44	WSDMatty	I just used repo-add to add another package and re-sign and verify the db. checking if that did anything
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2023-07-15 18:20:43	WSDMatty	removing all of the /usr/lib/pacman/sync databases and pacman -Syy fixed it.
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2023-07-15 18:21:35	mefistofeles	conr: what GPU is it?
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2023-07-15 18:25:11	conr	mefistofeles: i have a RX 470 and a RTX 3080, i want them both on the 3080 DP port.
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2023-07-15 18:26:44	WSDMatty	Scimmia: https://pastebin.com/R4w2PknQ
2023-07-15 18:26:45	phrik	Title: ==> Verifying database signature...gpg: assuming signed data in '/home/wsdm/x8 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-07-15 18:26:45	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HjWl.txt
2023-07-15 18:27:33	Scimmia	so the sig is actually bad, it's not a key issue
2023-07-15 18:27:38	mefistofeles	conr: did you install the nvidia drivers?
2023-07-15 18:28:03	conr	mefistofeles: on win11, but not sure about Arch, how can I check?
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2023-07-15 18:28:26	WSDMatty	Yeah thats not my key fingerprint at all.
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2023-07-15 18:29:56	Scimmia	keyid, not fingerprint
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2023-07-15 18:31:07	Scimmia	or well, it's full, so I guess it is
2023-07-15 18:31:59	Scimmia	it's not an ID for a subkey? That's the ID the sig was made with, if it's not yours, where did it come from?
2023-07-15 18:32:44	WSDMatty	You're right it does appear to be the signing subkey
2023-07-15 18:35:39	Scimmia	What is that output from?
2023-07-15 18:36:21	WSDMatty	repo-add -s -v -k (my key) (repo db) (random package)
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2023-07-15 18:37:12	WSDMatty	I've been building and adding packages to my repo using aurutils. Tat may be the problem?
2023-07-15 18:37:45	Scimmia	it shouldn't be, but I'm not sure how aurutils handles sigs
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2023-07-15 18:38:42	Scimmia	strange that it's creating the sig, but then it doesn't verify
2023-07-15 18:39:45	Scimmia	key isn't expired for anything, is it?
2023-07-15 18:39:56	WSDMatty	Ok looks like there is an option to verify but its not in aur-sync its in aur-build which is called by sync. I'ma test a thing.
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2023-07-15 18:45:31	WSDMatty	key expire in 2025.
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2023-07-15 18:48:38	Scimmia	I don't know how it could be generating a bad sig
2023-07-15 18:49:20	WSDMatty	I blame myself. Unless someone else wants to take the blame.
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2023-07-15 18:50:17	Disguised	Shit  by mistake i deleted the /etc/resolv.conf file 
2023-07-15 18:50:32	WSDMatty	Scimmia: https://pastebin.com/a3f8r2Zi
2023-07-15 18:50:33	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HjWh.txt
2023-07-15 18:50:33	phrik	Title: gpg --verify wsdm.db.tar.sig wsdm.db.targpg: Signature made Sat 15 Jul 2023 1 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-07-15 18:50:36	Disguised	Creating the file again will work right ?
2023-07-15 18:50:51	ursa	Disguised: yes
2023-07-15 18:50:51	Disguised	sudo touch /etc/resolv.conf ????
2023-07-15 18:50:52	Scimmia	Disguised: depends on what manages it
2023-07-15 18:50:57	WSDMatty	Disguised: do you use systemd-resolved? because you can just re-symlink the file
2023-07-15 18:51:27	celri	If it's networkmanager, it's generated by it
2023-07-15 18:51:37	Disguised	Scimmia: WSDMatty: I am using iwd and systemd resolved yes 
2023-07-15 18:51:56	Scimmia	yeah, using resolved, it should be a symlink anyway
2023-07-15 18:51:58	WSDMatty	ln -s /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
2023-07-15 18:52:10	WSDMatty	double check those paths are correct my memory is not reliable
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2023-07-15 18:53:21	Disguised	WSDMatty: Yes it is!!! Thanks a lot
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2023-07-15 18:54:08	WSDMatty	For future reference, if you accidentally delete a file in /etc, reinstalling the related package regenerates the config files.
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2023-07-15 18:54:17	WSDMatty	usually
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2023-07-15 18:58:22	Scimmia	WSDMatty: either you're somehow generating bad sigs, or something is changing on disk
2023-07-15 18:58:22	Scimmia	well, or something is going really screwy with verification. That was an issue in VMs at one point
2023-07-15 18:58:22	WSDMatty	I hope my ssd isnt going bad. -.-
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2023-07-15 19:01:51	conr	where can i find my boot logs to see why my screen is freezing on AORUS screen?
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2023-07-15 19:02:08	WSDMatty	dmesg or journalctl
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2023-07-15 19:02:38	conr	what can i grep for video drivers?
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2023-07-15 19:03:59	conr	or maybe i need to uninstall `amdgpu`?
2023-07-15 19:04:28	WSDMatty	Scimmia: I may have found the problem.. My gpg key had some old
2023-07-15 19:04:57	WSDMatty	userid that I removed wayback but when the key is retreived, it has all of the old userids and a bunch of sigs that I apparently purged.
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2023-07-15 19:05:57	Scimmia	I can't see how that could be an issue, but it's gpg, so who knows
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2023-07-15 19:09:06	WSDMatty	Huh. edting my gpg key and using clean apparently solved the problem. Or i was blessed by an anti-gremlin
2023-07-15 19:10:54	◣	desolator (~desolator@140.238.229.91) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2023-07-15 19:11:32	Scimmia	so it was the last option, something going screwy with the verification. Gotta live gpg
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2023-07-15 19:13:40	WSDMatty	https://pastebin.com/u9mhVZXM
2023-07-15 19:13:41	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/Hj4-.txt
2023-07-15 19:13:41	phrik	Title: matthew@dharma  /home/wsdm/x86_64   main ±  gpg --verify wsdm.db.tar.sig ws - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-07-15 19:13:50	WSDMatty	good sig now.
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2023-07-15 19:20:28	WSDMatty	Hm.. i had multiple sync directories for pacman and one of them had an old key apparently? idfk im going to leave it alone and pretend everything is fine
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2023-07-15 20:03:42	ectospasm	wow, parallel download in pacman is cool!
2023-07-15 20:04:17	ectospasm	And I think I fixed my pacserve config on my main file server, it didn't have an entry for the pacserve pacman file
2023-07-15 20:04:33	ectospasm	MUCH faster now for common packages across all my home systems.
2023-07-15 20:05:31	ectospasm	Now, I think I have a bad cable connecting my file server to my switch.  It keeps negotiating 100FDX, and then drops it out.  I've swapped ports on the switch, and it fixed it for a few days, but it started doing the same thing.
2023-07-15 20:05:59	ectospasm	Unplugging and replugging the cable seems to fix it for a bit, so I doubt it's the GbE hardware at either end.
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2023-07-15 20:11:58	fourHZ	ectospasm thanks just activated it. unfortunately i upgraded today so i better wait a week.
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2023-07-15 20:12:53	ectospasm	Yeah, unless you have a bunch of stuff to upgrade, you really won't see the benefit of parallel downloads.
2023-07-15 20:13:09	ectospasm	Or were you talking about pacserve?
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2023-07-15 20:19:43	fourHZ	no i just say i did upgrade today. so not much in the queue. will try it later
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2023-07-15 20:40:50	[-_-]	How can I view current default option of cryptsetup?
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2023-07-15 20:41:54	another|	cryptsetup --help
2023-07-15 20:42:13	Dan39	!paste
2023-07-15 20:42:14	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-07-15 20:42:21	Dan39	!ix
2023-07-15 20:42:22	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2023-07-15 20:43:13	[-_-]	another|: thanks for saving my brain
2023-07-15 20:43:27	Dan39	any thoughts on these i915 Atomic update failure messages? http://ix.io/4AGZ
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2023-07-15 20:43:56	Dan39	i'm running an MSI laptop that uses intel+nvidia (prime?) graphics
2023-07-15 20:44:46	Dan39	seems like i started having issues after a recent kernel upgrade. for the past few weeks i've had to run on the LTS kernel to get something even usable, but i still get those errors
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2023-07-15 20:50:33	teraflops	apart from the journal errors do you have any issue with the gpu?
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2023-07-16 09:10:18	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
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2023-07-15 23:22:49	ectospasm	I really like parallel downloads, I've got it enabled everywhere!  It's fast enough that when a singular download isn't that fast, the multiple downloads more than make up for it.
2023-07-15 23:26:10	lmat	ectospasm: I'm glad to hear you've enabled it. Really swell, isn't it!?
2023-07-15 23:26:33	lmat	ectospasm: There is another thing you may like: downloading packages from your LAN before looking to the WWW...
2023-07-15 23:26:53	ectospasm	I have pacserve installed for just that
2023-07-15 23:26:56	lmat	sweet
2023-07-15 23:27:18	ectospasm	Now, my laptop has oodles of packages my other (headless) systems don't
2023-07-15 23:28:10	ectospasm	Lately my GbE link on my file server has been flaking out.  I think the cable has finally gone bad.
2023-07-15 23:28:18	ectospasm	I'm set to order some new cables
2023-07-15 23:28:23	ectospasm	But I haven't yet.
2023-07-15 23:40:39	firestarter	hi, anyone had error with network confguration. When I was using dhcp everything worked ok. But when I had switched to static network ip setup i can't access server with ssh or any other service (svn, http).
2023-07-15 23:40:43	firestarter	issue started over 1 year ago
2023-07-15 23:40:45	firestarter	but I've switched from static to dhcp and that solved problem
2023-07-15 23:40:48	firestarter	but recently I moved to different server room and I have to use static ip
2023-07-15 23:40:50	firestarter	there is no firewall, everything is passing
2023-07-15 23:40:53	firestarter	others server in this server room are working 
2023-07-15 23:41:20	jelle	how do you even configure your network
2023-07-15 23:41:38	firestarter	systemd-netowrkd
2023-07-15 23:41:49	firestarter	but i had same error with netctl
2023-07-15 23:42:03	jelle	ye, don't care about netctl
2023-07-15 23:42:21	jelle	honestly, this is too vague for me
2023-07-15 23:49:16	firestarter	jelle: thx anyway
2023-07-15 23:50:42	Mion	define "can't access"
2023-07-15 23:50:56	Mion	can't resolve names or can't connect to the ip?
2023-07-15 23:51:30	jelle	I am assuming now that this is a vps?
2023-07-15 23:52:35	Mion	and then it turns out the static ip is on the wrong subnet :p
2023-07-15 23:53:29	firestarter	Mion: connection timeout
2023-07-15 23:54:15	firestarter	when started tcpdump for 22 port I had traffic from localnetwork
2023-07-15 23:54:25	Mion	compare routing tables etc etc
2023-07-15 23:54:25	firestarter	but not from internet
2023-07-15 23:54:56	firestarter	i have external ip address
2023-07-15 23:56:11	firestarter	routes look good
2023-07-15 23:56:34	firestarter	i'm currently using this server to conect here
2023-07-15 23:57:01	firestarter	I've checked pacnew files
2023-07-15 23:57:13	Mion	listenaddress for the services?
2023-07-15 23:57:32	firestarter	0.0.0.0 and/or *.*.*.*
2023-07-15 23:57:43	firestarter	deppend on service
2023-07-15 23:58:53	firestarter	jelle:it's metal server
2023-07-15 23:59:06	firestarter	dns is working
2023-07-16 00:02:02	cryptodan_mobile	So Mion thanks guess I'll use cinnamon for now 
2023-07-16 01:34:42	drew	I want to change PGROOT from /var/lib/postgres to /mnt/pool/postgres. Is there a way to do that without editing the postgresql.service unit file?
2023-07-16 01:35:19	drew	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/postgresql/-/blob/main/postgresql.service
2023-07-16 01:35:20	phrik	Title: postgresql.service · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / postgresql · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-07-16 01:36:37	drew	ah: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PostgreSQL#Change_default_data_directory
2023-07-16 01:36:39	phrik	Title: PostgreSQL - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-16 02:05:29	jaydemir	I'm running EndeavourOS (that IRC is dead, hence why I'm asking here)- I'm having audio quality issues on a fresh install. I listen to music or youtube and it starts off fine, but then the audio quality drops drastically. For some reason, when I open Kdenlive, it fixes itself. It'll stay good for a while then drop off again, and closing/reopening
2023-07-16 02:05:29	jaydemir	Kdenlive will continue to fix it. Any idea what's going on?
2023-07-16 02:05:47	Namarrgon	try their forums, we don't support spins
2023-07-16 02:06:29	jaydemir	I could have built this distro myself with enough time and knowledge, aside from Manjaro Arch spins are still Arch >.>
2023-07-16 02:06:40	Namarrgon	yeah yeah
2023-07-16 02:07:03	qp	the tales of i could've man
2023-07-16 02:07:08	Namarrgon	please read the rules, they are linked in the /topic
2023-07-16 02:09:21	jaydemir	laziest irc
2023-07-16 04:17:59	ectospasm	!notarch
2023-07-16 04:17:59	phrik	https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2023-07-16 04:18:37	ectospasm	It's  not lazy, we don't know how those spins are set up.  You don't either, since you let their maintainers make a lot of choices for you.
2023-07-16 04:36:02	rcf	I'd strongly argue it's lazy, but that's the Arch ethos in general. 
2023-07-16 04:38:32	rcf	But what does it say about your distribution of choice if the lazy Arch people turn out to be the most competent for support 
2023-07-16 04:39:18	ectospasm	I know the Arch wiki has a lot of good information about Linux in general
2023-07-16 04:39:40	ectospasm	When I was a Debian guy I found myself on the Arch wiki a lot more often than the Debian wiki
2023-07-16 04:39:48	ectospasm	even if I put "Debian" in the search terms
2023-07-16 04:40:08	ectospasm	The Debian wiki always seems two major versions behind whatever was current (stable)
2023-07-16 08:24:59	parakovsky	yo does anybody figured out a way to name mpv custom way if it run trough different programs so when you regulate the volume you know which process from which host etc
2023-07-16 08:25:02	parakovsky	reading arch wiki now but not sure anything is there
2023-07-16 08:30:09	rcf	parakovsky: for me at least, pavucontrol shows the title as well as the name of the program. 
2023-07-16 08:30:36	parakovsky	rcf: yes it shows there but use this small mixer program which only display a name so i only see 'mpv' there 
2023-07-16 08:31:00	rcf	I'd probably patch the mixer program to display more metadata 
2023-07-16 08:31:36	parakovsky	thats deep maybe it is right to go that way
2023-07-16 08:32:18	rcf	What mixer are you using? 
2023-07-16 08:32:26	parakovsky	it's called myxer
2023-07-16 08:32:39	parakovsky	https://github.com/VixenUtils/Myxer
2023-07-16 08:33:25	parakovsky	actually it hasn't been updated for two years so maybe it is not so good a program after all
2023-07-16 08:33:38	Ennea	clearly doesn't need any updates if it still works ;)
2023-07-16 08:33:46	parakovsky	i agree
2023-07-16 08:34:15	Ennea	i'm curious, though: what setup do you have that you got multiple instances of mpv running and want to control their volume through a generic mixer, as opposed to just controlling the volume in each instace?
2023-07-16 08:34:19	parakovsky	i just binded it to shortcut in the i3 so if i work on a fullscreen i don't have to switch workspaces to pavu and stuff
2023-07-16 08:34:34	parakovsky	Ennea: i usually play my own music on top of tv shows i watching
2023-07-16 08:34:41	parakovsky	some slow ambient like basinski, but 
2023-07-16 08:35:03	parakovsky	if the volume on tv show is low enough music is always too loud, i don't downmix it to stereo so you got this weird quitness there
2023-07-16 08:35:36	Ennea	there's this you can use to control mpv from other programs: https://mpv.io/manual/stable/#json-ipc
2023-07-16 08:35:36	phrik	Title: mpv.io (at mpv.io)
2023-07-16 08:35:48	Ennea	and you could just start your music instance of mpv with that thing on
2023-07-16 08:35:55	parakovsky	one mpv is basically emms from emacs controlled from dmenu so i can type the names of the albums without navigating anywhere, and another usually just a mpv with a media file or something
2023-07-16 08:35:57	Ennea	(or just the tv show one i guess)
2023-07-16 08:36:08	parakovsky	ok let me see thanks
2023-07-16 08:36:22	rcf	Controlling the volumes through mpv would be useful enough I suppose 
2023-07-16 08:36:41	parakovsky	yeah that's can be done i think i already configured it for emacs to control 
2023-07-16 08:36:55	parakovsky	thanks i think i stick to that script indeed
2023-07-16 08:37:02	Ennea	good luck :)
2023-07-16 08:51:30	rcf	parakovsky: oh, there is a command line option for this 
2023-07-16 08:51:45	rcf	parakovsky: --audio-client-name
2023-07-16 08:52:13	rcf	parakovsky: works perfectly with myxer. 
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2023-07-16 09:53:01	parakovsky	rcf: is this to be executed with mpv? how cool let me look ut iup
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2023-07-16 09:53:31	parakovsky	rcf: yeah that ace, mpv is so cool with ways of customizing it
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2023-07-16 09:59:07	luna2	hey im trying to chroot into my system and the guide im following says that i need to mount my ESP, i dont have anything marked as /boot/efi in my fstab file, am i correct in saying that this means i dont have an ESP.
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2023-07-16 10:00:04	Edu4rdSHL	luna2, which partitions does have your device?
2023-07-16 10:00:13	luna2	just one with the mountpoint /
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2023-07-16 10:00:53	luna2	i have another computer that does have a few more partitions in the fstab file including one with the mount point /boot/efi, thats why im thinking my computer doesnt have an ESP
2023-07-16 10:01:09	luna2	i do also remember someone telling me that my computer was booting in BIOS mode instead of UEFI
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2023-07-16 10:01:22	luna2	also i wasnt affected by that grub glitch a while ago if that means anything
2023-07-16 10:01:22	Edu4rdSHL	How do you installed your arch?
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2023-07-16 10:01:35	Edu4rdSHL	You should know these details, honestly
2023-07-16 10:02:10	luna2	its not plain arch its eos but im asking here because this chat has been really helpful before
2023-07-16 10:02:58	Edu4rdSHL	Ask in their forums, we do not support Arch derivates here.
2023-07-16 10:03:07	Edu4rdSHL	See the code of conduct in the topic.
2023-07-16 10:03:16	luna2	ahh alr, sry mate
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2023-07-16 10:04:42	teraflops	never heard of eos
2023-07-16 10:04:54	Edu4rdSHL	Endeavour, I think
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2023-07-16 13:03:22	arojas	ursa: archlinux is not doing anything, e2fsprogs is
2023-07-16 13:03:45	ursa	arojas: I'm comparing it to debian, on debian it's symlinks
2023-07-16 13:04:02	ursa	So that makes me think it's distro behavior, not upstream behavior, because distro does the packaging
2023-07-16 13:05:03	BrainDamage	using debian as reference for what upstream does is, in general, extremely disingenous
2023-07-16 13:05:58	ursa	https://salsa.debian.org/debian/gzip/-/tree/master/debian/patches are the patches that change upstream behavior in debian, it doesn't appear relevant here
2023-07-16 13:06:04	phrik	Title: debian/patches · master · Debian / gzip · GitLab (at salsa.debian.org)
2023-07-16 13:07:31	arojas	ursa: I doubt you'll find anything relevant to e2fsprogs in the gzip sources
2023-07-16 13:07:46	Namarrgon	does your debian have unified /usr already?
2023-07-16 13:07:58	ursa	Namarrgon: yes, finally
2023-07-16 13:08:12	ursa	arojas: right, wrong link
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2023-07-16 13:09:49	ursa	https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/fs/ext2/e2fsprogs.git/tree/debian is debian packaging for e2fsprogs
2023-07-16 13:09:49	phrik	Title: debian - ext2/e2fsprogs.git - Ext2/3/4 filesystem userspace utilities (at git.kernel.org)
2023-07-16 13:11:22	ursa	I see they have --enable-symlink-install and --enable-relative-symlinks as configure flags available
2023-07-16 13:11:37	ursa	So archlinux maybe doesn't use those flags?
2023-07-16 13:11:54	Namarrgon	all this talking and you haven't even looked at the PKGBUILD?
2023-07-16 13:12:11	ursa	Namarrgon: I'm new to arch
2023-07-16 13:12:45	Namarrgon	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/e2fsprogs
2023-07-16 13:12:46	phrik	Title: Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / e2fsprogs · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2023-07-16 13:13:03	ursa	yes, found it
2023-07-16 13:13:06	rv1sr	ursa: It's a configuration option https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/fs/ext2/e2fsprogs.git/tree/configure#n5717
2023-07-16 13:13:06	phrik	Title: configure - ext2/e2fsprogs.git - Ext2/3/4 filesystem userspace utilities (at git.kernel.org)
2023-07-16 13:13:15	ursa	rv1sr: that's what I found
2023-07-16 13:13:20	ursa	So:
2023-07-16 13:13:28	ursa	Why is archlinux making /usr/bin/mkfs.ext{2,3,4} hardlinks to /usr/bin/mke2fs instead of symlinks?
2023-07-16 13:13:32	Namarrgon	then, in case you have missed it, one of the ideas of arch is to avoid patching upstream without a good reason
2023-07-16 13:13:50	NetSysFire	it tries to be as vanilla as possible
2023-07-16 13:13:54	NetSysFire	which is a very good thing imo
2023-07-16 13:15:41	ursa	hardlink/symlink is not upstream behavior, that's downstream choice, or am I misunderstanding it?
2023-07-16 13:15:50	rv1sr	ursa: It just doesn't change defaults, thats all
2023-07-16 13:16:17	Namarrgon	upstream decides the defaults, arch rarely changes them
2023-07-16 13:16:18	ursa	--prefix=/usr is a change from defaults
2023-07-16 13:16:24	Namarrgon	...
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2023-07-16 13:16:39	rv1sr	But you get the point
2023-07-16 13:16:48	ursa	I think so, yes
2023-07-16 13:16:58	ursa	Unusual behavior, but might make sense
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2023-07-16 13:18:21	arojas	it may not even be a conscious decision, the maintainer may not even be aware of the option
2023-07-16 13:18:34	arojas	if you want to make sure, open a feature requesr
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2023-07-16 13:33:25	parakovsky	any OBS users in the chat? did you guys figure it out is it possible to make it be able to change twitch titles and add descriptions, in my ubuntu OBS I used to be able to do that. 
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2023-07-16 13:35:59	parakovsky	ok i guess it is rather for their irc channel i apologize
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2023-07-16 13:37:18	parakovsky	they mostly moved to discord which make it an unpleasant experience so if anybody get any idea pls tell me
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2023-07-16 13:40:59	adhoom	hello, I'm having trouble getting my laptop to sleep (suspend to RAM). I don't care much about the lid actions, instead I just want the universal `systemctl suspend` move.
2023-07-16 13:41:13	adhoom	This is my /etc/systemd/sleep.conf: https://termbin.com/dui5
2023-07-16 13:41:30	adhoom	Should I put something under SuspendMode?
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2023-07-16 13:42:17	adhoom	Right now what happens when I issue the command is that the screen goes dark, but comes back full power after a few seconds. Or it blinks a few times then continues running.
2023-07-16 13:42:26	adhoom	Any tips?
2023-07-16 13:43:26	rv1sr	journal should give information about wake-up reasons
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2023-07-16 13:46:37	adhoom	indeed. I'll have a look
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2023-07-19 06:21:17	ectospasm	The install guide isn't that difficult, but can take time if you've never gone through it 
2023-07-19 06:21:52	ectospasm	We're also here if you get stuck 
2023-07-19 06:23:13	ectospasm	The first time I installed Arch I didn't have another system to look up documentation, just booted the Arch ISO and hopped back and forth between ttys
2023-07-19 06:24:15	gazza	my first was on a 1.4meg floppy and I had not a clue. Times have changed. I'll still have thing computer running whilst working on the new one when it arrives
2023-07-19 06:24:32	gazza	thing/this
2023-07-19 06:25:36	gazza	thanks for the offer for future help ectospasm I'll most likely call on it and it's great to see someone active at this time. My previous on irc is that everyone is asleep right now
2023-07-19 06:26:16	ectospasm	I installed Slackware with 1.44MiB disk sets downloaded over the campus CSLIP network my first foray into Linux 
2023-07-19 06:26:33	gazza	bare.i ?
2023-07-19 06:26:40	ectospasm	gazza: I'm literally in bed, I should go to sleep 
2023-07-19 06:27:02	gazza	sleep well, thanks for the chat
2023-07-19 06:28:42	ectospasm	But folks generally become active here early morning European time.  If you have a way to stay connected to IRC it's best to hang out here for days if you can 
2023-07-19 06:29:02	Keiyentai	greetings
2023-07-19 06:30:04	ectospasm	There's always the forums for less real time help, and that doesn't require a constant connection like IRC generally does 
2023-07-19 06:30:17	ectospasm	!welcome 
2023-07-19 06:30:18	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2023-07-19 06:30:57	gazza	Love the bot ,lmfao
2023-07-19 06:31:17	gry	:-)
2023-07-19 06:38:45	irc_standardnick	 Is there a way to remove orphaned entries from a login managers' view? I installed Budgie and it setup four different options{Gnome, Gnome on Xorg, Budgie and one else} in the login manager. When uninstalled, it only removed it's own option, leaving behind three useless orphaned entries. Can those be manually removed?
2023-07-19 06:49:41	gry	irc_standardnick: what login manager are you using?
2023-07-19 06:50:45	irc_standardnick	ly
2023-07-19 06:58:42	ectospasm	S
2023-07-19 07:00:22	ectospasm	DMs usually have a configuration for what DEs/WMs are available to it.  It might also read what DEs/WMs are installed in the system 
2023-07-19 07:00:56	ectospasm	It may even get it from XDG or something like that 
2023-07-19 07:01:36	ectospasm	I don't use a DM anymore, most of them seemed quite buggy over the years 
2023-07-19 07:09:01	gazza	I solute the person who wrote the alis package. Looks like a lot of editing before it is useful to me. I will try it, but I think ectospasm  your right, I am better off just doing the hard yard, that way I'll know what I have
2023-07-19 07:09:24	ewb	irc_standardnick: /usr/share/*sessions is a good place to look
2023-07-19 07:10:06	ewb	not sure about ly but running anything with strate -eopen is a good way to figure out what files it's loading
2023-07-19 07:10:26	ewb	strace*
2023-07-19 07:10:49	ectospasm	I wouldn't say the install guide is the hard way, just different if you've always depended on a distro's installer 
2023-07-19 07:10:57	irc_standardnick	I see. I will look into it. Thanks
2023-07-19 07:11:23	ectospasm	gazza: ^
2023-07-19 07:13:34	gazza	easy, hard , all a matter of perspective. I'm lazy is all, if I can get something to do it all for me I am happy. I'd rather write in python than perl because perl has extra braces {} that's how lazy I am
2023-07-19 07:13:50	ewb	ectospasm: it really is the hard way though, having to put locale files in place is hard to remember :p
2023-07-19 07:14:22	ectospasm	If you follow the guide it tells you to do that 
2023-07-19 07:14:54	ectospasm	If you're trying to do it from memory I feel for you.  Don't do that 
2023-07-19 07:14:59	ewb	ya I dig, it's just sort of needlessly pedantic
2023-07-19 07:15:28	gazza	I could never do it from memory. I'd forget my head if it wasn't screwed on.
2023-07-19 07:15:36	ectospasm	Most installers ask you to select your language as the first thing 
2023-07-19 07:16:15	ewb	I've got it down to memory at this point, pacstrap doesn't skip so many things that it's impossible to remember but it's slightly cruel
2023-07-19 07:17:06	gazza	If I had to do more than half a dozen installs, I'd write my own simple line by line script
2023-07-19 07:17:27	ectospasm	How often do you install Arch?  The install guide is a living document, I wouldn't recommend ever installing it from memory 
2023-07-19 07:18:04	gazza	I actually have one for pinephone every time I do a fresh new micro sd install
2023-07-19 07:18:15	ewb	the biggest problem is dealing with bootloader installation on a wide variety of devices, I've got a couple machines from the early days of efi and they really don't like to have operating systems run on them
2023-07-19 07:18:20	ectospasm	If you needed to orchestrate several installs yeah, use your own script 
2023-07-19 07:18:22	ewb	in my experience at least
2023-07-19 07:18:42	irc_standardnick	gazza, Can the PinePhone be a basic daily driver in that making calls, browsing basic web pages?
2023-07-19 07:18:53	ewb	+1
2023-07-19 07:19:23	gazza	yes and no, it burns the battery in nothing flat , but it is a great toy to play with. I don't use it as a phone
2023-07-19 07:20:22	ewb	reminds me of the old sharp zaurus days
2023-07-19 07:20:55	ectospasm	I don't typically install Arch that often.  No problem I've encountered has been so bad that I nuke it from orbit and start over fresh 
2023-07-19 07:21:04	irc_standardnick	Ah yes I have read in reviews that the battery is quite a downer. Though the fact that one can switch OS's at one's will seems a great thing to me; coming from an Android perspective where you are at the mercy of the OEM
2023-07-19 07:22:15	ewb	I would love to have a real linux phone but they really don't exist atm
2023-07-19 07:22:34	ectospasm	On my daily driver I only reinstalled Arch three years ago since I had to send it in for warranty hardware replacement 
2023-07-19 07:22:56	gazza	the big plus is it IS a linux O.S. on a phone and as such you can easily write your own apps etc. The down side, battery and a basic computer
2023-07-19 07:23:08	ectospasm	I put Debian on it as a dummy OS
2023-07-19 07:26:48	ewb	seems like a fun toy
2023-07-19 07:28:32	gazza	I enjoy playing with it. I wrote a simple music app and let my disability clients play with it. 
2023-07-19 07:28:32	irc_standardnick	ectospasm, Arch as in proper Arch or Manjaro that can be easily installed onto Pinephones?
2023-07-19 07:29:54	ectospasm	No, Arch is x86_64 only 
2023-07-19 07:30:20	ectospasm	Unless the Pine phone uses x86_64
2023-07-19 07:30:21	gazza	I use the Arch posh install by danctnix dreemurrs
2023-07-19 07:31:01	ectospasm	There is Arch for ARM, see #alarm
2023-07-19 07:31:10	ectospasm	I think, I don't use it 
2023-07-19 07:31:19	gazza	yes that's it , it is an ARM processor
2023-07-19 07:31:19	ewb	gazza: I assume pinephones can't load eSIMs?
2023-07-19 07:31:42	ewb	i say knowing very little about how esim works or how phones work :)
2023-07-19 07:31:43	gazza	sorry eSIMs is new to me, no idea
2023-07-19 07:32:07	gazza	is that to do with the sim card?
2023-07-19 07:32:23	ectospasm	Basically they're software SIMs
2023-07-19 07:32:31	ewb	^
2023-07-19 07:33:07	gazza	no idea then. I've used it as a phone a couple of times but think of it more as a tiny tablet
2023-07-19 07:33:17	ectospasm	I really need to go to sleep 
2023-07-19 07:33:21	ectospasm	!gn
2023-07-19 07:33:21	phrik	Good night to all from ectospasm!
2023-07-19 07:33:26	gazza	sleep well
2023-07-19 07:34:23	ewb	apparently it needs hardware support? idk.  GN ecto
2023-07-19 07:35:18	ewb	https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESIM if interested, it's just a programmable real sim card that sits on the board apparently
2023-07-19 07:35:19	phrik	Title: eSIM - Wikipedia (at en.m.wikipedia.org)
2023-07-19 07:36:01	gazza	then no, pinephone doesn't have it. There is a sim slot and an ssd slot
2023-07-19 07:43:15	irc_standardnick	eSIM also needs to have an operator support, right to work? I don't think there is any usage of eSIMs in my country currently
2023-07-19 08:17:33	PMunch	So, fun times yesterday. I think Cups bricked my machine..
2023-07-19 08:18:55	PMunch	Connected a printer to my laptop to see if I could print a page. It must've heard me talking about how bad printers are, because after waiting for a little while it seemed like X crashed and I was thrown back into the terminal. However I couldn't do or type anything in either of the available shells.
2023-07-19 08:19:45	PMunch	After a reboot I get the normal LUKS prompt, and after typing in my password it says that the drive was mounted, but that no /sbin/init could be found
2023-07-19 08:20:25	PMunch	I'm dropped into some kind of root shell, and there I can find /sbin/init in both the current root, and a folder called /new_root
2023-07-19 08:20:37	PMunch	Anyone knows what's going on?
2023-07-19 08:20:40	sheep	where you running pacman when that happened?
2023-07-19 08:20:49	sheep	also, does /new_root/sbin/init exist?
2023-07-19 08:21:37	PMunch	Not running pacman no, just turned it off to quickly print a page
2023-07-19 08:21:50	PMunch	And yes /new_root/sbin/init exists
2023-07-19 08:22:19	sheep	that's really weird. I also forget if the default bootloader config for arch puts init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd on the linux command line, but it probably should
2023-07-19 08:22:56	PMunch	The first time I turned it on after rebooting the terminal was also filled with messages about cleaning up blocks or inodes or something like that
2023-07-19 08:23:12	sheep	it sounds like you had some filesystem corruption and it ran fsck
2023-07-19 08:23:38	PMunch	Yeah that's my suspicion as well
2023-07-19 08:24:19	sheep	try rebooting but set the kernel option init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd. If you use grub, I think you can do this with 'e' or 'F10' then edit the 'linux' line
2023-07-19 08:24:35	PMunch	No grub, direct EFI booting
2023-07-19 08:24:59	sheep	there should be a way to set that in the EFI system setup menu or through efibootmgr on a live ISO
2023-07-19 08:25:34	PMunch	Yeah I brought it with me in to work today to boot with my recovery USB
2023-07-19 08:25:55	sheep	maybe try this at the emergency shell: switch_root /new_root /usr/lib/systemd/systemd
2023-07-19 08:26:11	sheep	... might need to have "exec" in front of "switch_root"
2023-07-19 08:27:48	PMunch	Hmm, that file doesn't exist
2023-07-19 08:28:11	PMunch	The file /new_root/usr/lib/systemd/systemd that is
2023-07-19 08:28:18	sheep	hmm
2023-07-19 08:28:23	sheep	you probably don't want switch_root then
2023-07-19 08:29:03	PMunch	Hmm, in fact that folder is suspiciously empty..
2023-07-19 08:29:04	sheep	does /new_root/usr/bin/bash exist?
2023-07-19 08:29:22	PMunch	Yeah bash is there
2023-07-19 08:29:55	sheep	you porobably need to reinstall some or all of your packages
2023-07-19 08:30:03	PMunch	Looks like it
2023-07-19 08:30:37	sheep	if you https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Reinstalling_all_packages has an easy way to do that if pacman still works in a chroot
2023-07-19 08:30:39	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-19 08:31:18	PMunch	Yeah I'm booting from my recovery USB stick now
2023-07-19 08:31:36	PMunch	I'm considering if I should start putting a recovery partition on my machines..
2023-07-19 08:31:55	PMunch	If something like this had happened while I was traveling I'd be shit out of luck..
2023-07-19 08:32:12	WSDMatty	PMunch: I'm prone to fiddling with my install and breaking things, I keep a liveUSB around at all times.
2023-07-19 08:32:58	PMunch	Yeah I always have one somewhere, but I don't necessarily bring one if I'm traveling
2023-07-19 08:34:02	WSDMatty	PMunch: They have tiny usb drives you could lose in a pocket: My plan was KeychainLiveUSB.
2023-07-19 08:35:02	PMunch	Yeah I already carry a small USB with me
2023-07-19 08:35:11	PMunch	But it doesn't have a live USB
2023-07-19 08:35:22	PMunch	Wouldn't it be neat to just have it as a bootable partition though?
2023-07-19 08:35:46	PMunch	I mean my entire remaining drive is still encrypted, so it's not like it's a security issue
2023-07-19 08:36:11	gazza	Ventoy, I find that fantastic multi O.S. and you store whatevers on the left over space
2023-07-19 08:36:13	WSDMatty	I mean if you buy a windows laptop today it has an emergency partition
2023-07-19 08:36:19	sheep	but what if your partition table breaks>
2023-07-19 08:36:50	WSDMatty	Two drives. I have room for a third but haven't found a reason for another TB.
2023-07-19 08:41:52	PMunch	Hmm, this is strange
2023-07-19 08:42:11	PMunch	So I'm booted into the live environment
2023-07-19 08:42:55	PMunch	And I've opened the encrypted volume and mounted everything as it should be
2023-07-19 08:43:13	PMunch	But when running `arch-chroot /mnt` I get an error that /bin/bash doesn't exist
2023-07-19 08:43:27	PMunch	However /mnt/bin/bash does exist and is 1.2Mb
2023-07-19 08:43:55	gazza	who owns it?
2023-07-19 08:44:04	sheep	what do you get from 'arch-chroot /mnt /usr/bin/ldd /usr/bin/bash'?
2023-07-19 08:44:17	PMunch	-rwxr-xr-x root root
2023-07-19 08:44:54	gazza	ok, not what I was thinking, I'll bow to the experts
2023-07-19 08:45:31	sheep	that seems to be correct
2023-07-19 08:45:42	PMunch	I get /usr/bin/ldd: No such file or directory..
2023-07-19 08:45:53	sheep	does /mnt/usr/bin/ldd exist?
2023-07-19 08:45:57	PMunch	Yup
2023-07-19 08:46:18	PMunch	5.3K, owned by root
2023-07-19 08:46:57	PMunch	I guess I could run the live USBs version of ldd?
2023-07-19 08:47:03	sheep	try running pacman -r /mnt -S bash glibc readline ncurses
2023-07-19 08:49:41	PMunch	Hmm, it complains that installing ncurses breaks dependency from lib32-ncurses..
2023-07-19 08:50:06	sheep	add lib32-ncurses to the list
2023-07-19 08:50:52	PMunch	Hold on, gotta connect it to the network
2023-07-19 08:55:26	PMunch	Hmm, target not found lib32-ncurses
2023-07-19 08:55:31	PMunch	So it's from AUR I guess?
2023-07-19 08:55:48	sheep	or multilib
2023-07-19 08:56:44	sheep	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Reinstalling_all_packages might be the easiest option, though you m,ay need to add '-r /mnt' between 'pacman' and the first '-' in each part of the command
2023-07-19 08:56:46	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-19 08:57:00	PMunch	Hmm, so I tried to reinstall the things apart from ncurses
2023-07-19 08:57:33	PMunch	And it throws errors from bash that it can't open libreadline and linnursesw..
2023-07-19 08:57:43	PMunch	So it seems like I'm in a bit of a catch-22
2023-07-19 08:57:59	sheep	what I just suggested should fix that
2023-07-19 08:58:09	PMunch	Ah right
2023-07-19 08:58:14	sheep	I actually had to do it a few weeks ago because of a kernel panic while an important package was being upgraded
2023-07-19 08:58:38	PMunch	Yeah the printer crashing did look like a kernel panic
2023-07-19 08:59:00	sheep	what filesystem are you using? btrfs?
2023-07-19 08:59:49	PMunch	Nah, ext4
2023-07-19 09:00:14	PMunch	I had a machine with btrfs on it before, but it ended up causing me nothing but grief
2023-07-19 09:00:24	sheep	I don't think I've heard of it failing this badly while not running pacman
2023-07-19 09:00:54	PMunch	Okay, so I should run `pacman -r /mnt -Qqn | pacman -r /mnt -S -`?
2023-07-19 09:01:11	sheep	that looks right
2023-07-19 09:01:12	PMunch	Yeah I've never had a machine just crash on me like this
2023-07-19 09:01:48	Ennea	poking around in the journal might reveal what actually caused this. hopefully..? :)
2023-07-19 09:02:09	PMunch	Yeah that's my next step after I get it back to actually boot
2023-07-19 09:02:31	PMunch	Hmm, I get more X breaks dependency Y required by Z errors
2023-07-19 09:03:23	sheep	you may have to remove some old AUR packages
2023-07-19 09:03:35	sheep	or reenable multilib in /mnt/etc/pacman.conf
2023-07-19 09:04:53	PMunch	Uhm /mnt/etc/pacman.conf doesn't exist..
2023-07-19 09:06:37	sheep	uh
2023-07-19 09:06:46	PMunch	Can I just copy in the one from the live USB?
2023-07-19 09:07:04	sheep	yes, but you may need to edit it to enable all of the repos you want
2023-07-19 09:07:20	PMunch	Of course
2023-07-19 09:10:05	PMunch	Wait.. I don't have the /mnt/etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist either
2023-07-19 09:11:04	BrainDamage	get a copy of pacman-static
2023-07-19 09:11:08	sheep	you did mount at /mnt, right?
2023-07-19 09:11:21	sheep	wait, why is it 2 AM? I should probably sleep
2023-07-19 09:11:32	Ennea	:D
2023-07-19 09:12:41	PMunch	Yes I mounted /mnt :P
2023-07-19 09:13:08	PMunch	Turns out that pacman pulls from the live USB version of pacman.conf even with the -r flag though
2023-07-19 09:15:59	PMunch	Damn it..
2023-07-19 09:16:19	PMunch	error: failed to commit transaction (not enough free disk space)..
2023-07-19 09:17:55	BrainDamage	wipe the package cache
2023-07-19 09:21:20	PMunch	Hmm, `pacman -r /mnt -Scc` doesn't seem to do anything..
2023-07-19 09:21:47	PMunch	I'm guessing it ignores the -r flag..
2023-07-19 09:21:57	BrainDamage	just use rm
2023-07-19 09:22:06	PMunch	Just wipe the whole directory?
2023-07-19 09:22:12	BrainDamage	yes
2023-07-19 09:22:20	BrainDamage	well, the content
2023-07-19 09:23:34	PMunch	Hmm, still not enough space. But it complains that partition / is too full, and lists the same amount of blocks free as before
2023-07-19 09:23:54	PMunch	So I think it checks the live USB and not the actual drive I'm trying to install into..
2023-07-19 09:25:13	BrainDamage	wait, you're using --root for a mounted guest? you should use --sysroot
2023-07-19 09:25:31	PMunch	Ah..
2023-07-19 09:26:04	kode54	okay
2023-07-19 09:26:05	kode54	https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/issues/26407
2023-07-19 09:26:07	kode54	it's a known bug
2023-07-19 09:26:23	kode54	only affects Wayland and Qt 6.5.1
2023-07-19 09:29:14	PMunch	Hmm, so with --sysroot (and copying over the mirrorlist) I'm now getting errors that it can't resolve any of the hosts..
2023-07-19 09:29:24	PMunch	It worked fine without those
2023-07-19 09:29:40	PMunch	Without `--sysroot`, so it's not a network issue
2023-07-19 09:29:47	PMunch	What exactly does --sysroot do?
2023-07-19 09:29:57	BrainDamage	chroot into the destination path
2023-07-19 09:30:05	PMunch	Aah
2023-07-19 09:30:13	PMunch	The problem is that the install is completely borked
2023-07-19 09:30:30	PMunch	Probably file system corruption
2023-07-19 09:30:45	PMunch	So I'm trying to reinstall all packages to see if I can get it back up
2023-07-19 09:30:51	BrainDamage	you'll need pacman-static
2023-07-19 09:31:47	PMunch	Hmm, yeah I guess that would work
2023-07-19 09:31:51	PMunch	But how would I install that?
2023-07-19 09:32:41	PMunch	Ah, so grab pacman-static, then use that with `--sysroot` to install the rest of the system?
2023-07-19 09:35:17	BrainDamage	yes
2023-07-19 09:36:02	BrainDamage	pacman-static and busybox are sort of swiss army tools that can you can use to recover even the most hosed system
2023-07-19 09:37:59	PMunch	Sounds like something which would be useful to have around
2023-07-19 09:39:00	BrainDamage	and busybox is also statically built in arch
2023-07-19 09:50:05	PMunch	Right, so now it complains that /etc/mtab doesn't exist when I try to use ./pacman-static to install. Should I just copy the one from the live environment?
2023-07-19 09:50:47	PMunch	Should I change it so that /mnt becomes /?
2023-07-19 09:54:09	BrainDamage	copy busybox into the hosed drive, copy pacman-static, then arch-chroot /hosed/drive /path/to/busbox sh, this will give you a proper chroot with networking and everything
2023-07-19 09:54:19	BrainDamage	then just run pacman-static
2023-07-19 09:54:33	PMunch	Right
2023-07-19 09:54:38	PMunch	I'll give that a go
2023-07-19 09:54:48	PMunch	Just need to find a busybox build somewhere
2023-07-19 09:54:58	BrainDamage	pacman -S busybox
2023-07-19 09:55:15	BrainDamage	it's less than 2MB
2023-07-19 09:55:23	BrainDamage	chances are it'll install even in the live iso
2023-07-19 09:55:37	PMunch	Ah, yeah that went fine
2023-07-19 09:58:19	PMunch	Hmm, still complains about /etc/mtab missing
2023-07-19 09:58:56	BrainDamage	mtab is a symlink to  /proc stuff
2023-07-19 09:59:17	PMunch	I get to the "Proceed with installation" prompt, when I hit yes I get "Could not open file /etc/mtab: no such file or directory" and "Could not determine filesystem mountpoints"
2023-07-19 09:59:46	BrainDamage	just remake the symlink inside the chroot yourself
2023-07-19 09:59:57	BrainDamage	ln -s ../proc/self/mounts /etc/mtab
2023-07-19 10:00:51	PMunch	Nice, that got me past that hurdle
2023-07-19 10:01:15	PMunch	But now I get the same "Could not resolve host" errors as I had when I was just trying `pacman-static -Syy`
2023-07-19 10:01:28	BrainDamage	did you use arch-chroot?
2023-07-19 10:01:39	BrainDamage	and does ping work?
2023-07-19 10:02:48	PMunch	I did use arch-chroot, yes. And ping worked outside the chroot, inside I get "bad address google.com", and dig errors out on not finding "libisc-9.18.14.so"
2023-07-19 10:03:33	PMunch	So pacman-static isn't so static after all?
2023-07-19 10:04:19	PMunch	Or rather it seems to call out to some other process
2023-07-19 10:04:54	BrainDamage	I meant _inside_ the chroot
2023-07-19 10:05:05	BrainDamage	busybox has a ping utility
2023-07-19 10:05:18	BrainDamage	which automatically aliases the system when you launch busybox sh
2023-07-19 10:05:37	BrainDamage	or if it doesn't, you can still just run it manually, busybox ping
2023-07-19 10:06:44	PMunch	busybox ping google.com gives the same bad address error
2023-07-19 10:07:01	BrainDamage	so the chroot is failing
2023-07-19 10:07:29	BrainDamage	arch-chroot is supposed to link the right sysfs to allow networking
2023-07-19 10:07:44	PMunch	I ran `arch-chroot /mnt /usr/bin/busybox sh` by the way
2023-07-19 10:10:37	PMunch	Okay, I fixed that by copying over /etc/resolv.conf from the USB
2023-07-19 10:10:45	PMunch	Now it is able to ping
2023-07-19 10:11:03	PMunch	But I get "error setting certificate verify locations"
2023-07-19 10:13:00	PMunch	Copied over the tls-ca-bunde.pem file as well, pacman-static -Syy worked now :)
2023-07-19 10:13:16	PMunch	Oooh, downloading packages!
2023-07-19 10:14:24	PMunch	Man this system was really borked..
2023-07-19 10:14:43	PMunch	Curious to see if it has any of my user files once I get it back up and running
2023-07-19 10:19:14	PMunch	Hmm, seems I celebrated too early
2023-07-19 10:20:21	PMunch	Now I get just a full screen of "error: GPGME error: Invalid crypto engine" and at the bottom "linux-api-headers: missing required signature" then it says that the file is corrupted and asks if I want to delete it
2023-07-19 10:21:28	PMunch	Seems like all the packages are deemed corrupt
2023-07-19 10:22:46	PMunch	So do this I guess: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=276742
2023-07-19 10:22:47	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] GPGME error: Invalid crypto engine / Installation / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2023-07-19 12:20:56	PMunch	Okay, I've gotten the machine into a state where it can actually boot and prompt me with a login shell
2023-07-19 12:21:18	PMunch	It seems to have lost my configuration as well though
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2023-07-19 12:40:06	Namarrgon	check the smart data before you continue fixing it
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2023-07-19 12:48:59	PMunch	Namarrgon, good point
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2023-07-19 12:52:53	PMunch	Hmm smartctl --info /dev/nvme0 doesn't report SMART as being available..
2023-07-19 12:53:45	PMunch	Hmm, neither does my other machine for that matter
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2023-07-19 12:56:14	PMunch	Right, so overall-health self-assement test result: PASSED
2023-07-19 12:56:37	PMunch	But it has 139 "Error Information Log Entries"
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2023-07-21 11:11:17	Ennea	NetSysFire, do you at least see the dxvk hud if you start things with DXVK_HUD=1 ?
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2023-07-21 11:13:00	NetSysFire	yes and i get 0.5 fps because theres an absurd spam of shader compilation errors
2023-07-21 11:13:16	NetSysFire	ok now its back to 1.2k fps and everything is black
2023-07-21 11:14:05	NetSysFire	https://i.imgur.com/3xISm3K.png
2023-07-21 11:14:20	Ennea	well, at least that's working. hm
2023-07-21 11:14:36	NetSysFire	0024:err:d3dcompiler:D3DCompile2     <anonymous>:263:1: E5000: syntax error, unexpected KW_INLINE
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2023-07-21 19:42:30	topcat001	Dan39: yes I noticed! :)
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2023-07-21 20:35:10	vimus32	goodmorning everyone
2023-07-21 20:35:38	◣	PenguinAtHome (~Thunderbi@user/PenguinAtHome) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2023-07-21 20:35:38	ℹ 	PenguinAtHome1 es conocido ahora como PenguinAtHome
2023-07-21 20:35:59	qp	good afternoon sir
2023-07-21 20:36:08	mefistofeles	!give vimus32 welcomerpg
2023-07-21 20:36:09	phrik	vimus32: Greetings, traveller of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get ravaged today?
2023-07-21 20:37:02	vimus32	I sudo rm -rf'ed my /bin directory :(
2023-07-21 20:38:07	vimus32	lol not today but when I was starting out with my first arch install I was trying to get fonts working and some troll put that on stackoverflow :((( it was a sad day
2023-07-21 20:38:36	mefistofeles	oh, that was me
2023-07-21 20:38:38	mefistofeles	sorry about that
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2023-07-21 20:40:53	vimus32	well, i would be worried because my dad is l1t3rally linus torvalds and hes gonna put a backdoor in the linux kernel to hack you and steal all your credit cards!!11!1
2023-07-21 20:40:59	vimus32	source: just trust me bro
2023-07-21 20:41:18	preimage	!next
2023-07-21 20:41:19	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2023-07-21 20:41:20	preimage	☺
2023-07-21 20:42:16	◥	Leonarbro (~Leo@user/leonarbro) has joined #archlinux
2023-07-21 20:43:02	vimus32	here's the real question: vim or emacs?
2023-07-21 20:43:16	mefistofeles	kate
2023-07-21 20:44:10	rcf	Wine notepad
2023-07-21 20:44:26	vimus32	ms paint
2023-07-21 20:44:36	preimage	alad: hey; you're great ☺
2023-07-21 20:44:37	preimage	o/
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2023-07-21 20:44:42	teraflops	vimus32: there's archlinux-offtopic
2023-07-21 20:44:50	vimus32	sorry man
2023-07-21 20:45:03	teraflops	I'm a woman
2023-07-21 20:45:10	vimus32	damn
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2023-07-21 20:46:18	mefistofeles	/msg teraflops hey, age? wanna meet?
2023-07-21 20:46:20	mefistofeles	oops
2023-07-21 20:46:26	teraflops	jajaj
2023-07-21 20:46:27	bswartz	This is why I call everyone "bro" instead of "man". Apparently bro is gender-neutral
2023-07-21 20:47:10	mefistofeles	bswartz: not great, though
2023-07-21 20:47:23	vimus32	muchacho, buckaroo, fella
2023-07-21 20:47:27	mefistofeles	I prefer sis
2023-07-21 20:47:50	qp	i just go by pepe
2023-07-21 20:47:53	qp	and peppetea
2023-07-21 20:48:00	mefistofeles	that's racist
2023-07-21 20:48:09	qp	nah just massagonist
2023-07-21 20:49:06	vimus32	a massage therapist
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2023-07-21 20:54:08	TheDcoder	bro is officially gender-neutral as decided by the council of bros
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2023-07-21 20:54:50	mefistofeles	!bro
2023-07-21 20:54:50	phrik	The Best Bro I Know
2023-07-21 20:55:05	TheDcoder	thanks bro :)
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2023-07-21 20:56:35	teraflops	I thought bro stands for brontosaurus 
2023-07-21 20:57:28	teraflops	oh that'd be bron
2023-07-21 20:58:41	Edu4rdSHL	Wey is gender neutral too
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2023-07-21 20:58:49	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, how are you wey?
2023-07-21 20:58:55	brjl	hola wey
2023-07-21 20:58:59	Edu4rdSHL	Qué pedo wey
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2023-07-21 20:59:02	TheDcoder	hola amigo
2023-07-21 20:59:13	brjl	A LA VERGA WEY
2023-07-21 20:59:16	_mike	bruh
2023-07-21 20:59:17	teraflops	I'm not a pinche wey ;)
2023-07-21 20:59:20	mefistofeles	no mames, está chingon esto
2023-07-21 20:59:27	TheDcoder	Edu4rdSHL: what does "pedo" mean?
2023-07-21 20:59:35	_mike	never warner brah.
2023-07-21 20:59:38	teraflops	get drunk?
2023-07-21 20:59:46	mefistofeles	pedo = fart
2023-07-21 20:59:47	mefistofeles	:P
2023-07-21 20:59:50	mefistofeles	literally
2023-07-21 20:59:56	qp	so many old pedos around then lol
2023-07-21 21:00:17	_mike	well, i gave up on cilium
2023-07-21 21:00:20	TheDcoder	mefistofeles: so it translates to "Who farted mate?"
2023-07-21 21:00:23	_mike	flannel works for now
2023-07-21 21:00:25	Edu4rdSHL	literally yes, but in the Mexican context "qué pedo" is like "what's going on"
2023-07-21 21:00:28	jelle	!offtopic
2023-07-21 21:00:28	phrik	Take it to #archlinux-offtopic
2023-07-21 21:00:30	mefistofeles	TheDcoder: yeah, but it's slang for "what's up?"
2023-07-21 21:00:34	krishm	wow what a conversation to come into XD
2023-07-21 21:00:44	TheDcoder	lmao, that's a funny way to say that
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2023-07-21 21:03:56	ohyash	Do we have an ARM channel?
2023-07-21 21:04:02	mefistofeles	alarm
2023-07-21 21:04:03	mefistofeles	I think
2023-07-21 21:04:07	mefistofeles	!alarm
2023-07-21 21:04:08	phrik	If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
2023-07-21 21:04:09	_mike	ohyash, #archlinuxarm
2023-07-21 21:04:19	ohyash	Thanks
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2023-07-21 21:06:23	TheDcoder	ALARM is dying :(
2023-07-21 21:06:34	TheDcoder	Asahi is moving to Fedora now
2023-07-21 21:06:42	bswartz	:'-(
2023-07-21 21:06:44	ohyash	:o
2023-07-21 21:06:52	mefistofeles	TheDcoder: yeah, makes sense
2023-07-21 21:07:05	bswartz	TheDcoder: speak no evil
2023-07-21 21:07:08	mefistofeles	TheDcoder: did they really say fedora? I knew it :P
2023-07-21 21:07:20	TheDcoder	mefistofeles: yeah, they created a SIG
2023-07-21 21:07:21	mefistofeles	when they first mentioned they were moving out, I though it was going to be fedora
2023-07-21 21:07:52	TheDcoder	bswartz: the only evil thing is how little love Arch ARM gets!
2023-07-21 21:08:05	mefistofeles	yeah, I think that's going to bite us eventually
2023-07-21 21:08:16	mefistofeles	not that we have much more to do, it's a lot of work
2023-07-21 21:08:16	bswartz	I love ALARM
2023-07-21 21:08:19	teraflops	hmm my pinephone runs alarm ... I'd hate flashing all the stuff again
2023-07-21 21:08:39	ohyash	Looking at my blank screen with no logs atm, I can't give much love to alarm myself either
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2023-07-21 21:09:45	TheDcoder	bswartz: me too but the project is currently not very open to outside contributors and the maintainers are unable to keep up
2023-07-21 21:10:06	TheDcoder	not to mention that all packages are built on some dude's box
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2023-07-21 21:10:32	mefistofeles	also fedora is doing great at it
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2023-07-21 21:11:01	TheDcoder	mefistofeles: I expect them to, it's good distro, it was my daily driver before Arch
2023-07-21 21:11:06	bswartz	But fedora is the worst distro
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2023-07-21 21:11:09	mefistofeles	TheDcoder: cool
2023-07-21 21:11:11	mefistofeles	lol
2023-07-21 21:11:13	teraflops	freidora
2023-07-21 21:11:22	bswartz	I'd take armbian before fedora
2023-07-21 21:11:30	TheDcoder	bswartz: why?
2023-07-21 21:11:39	bswartz	But I'm going to keep running arch until they pry it out of my cold dead hands
2023-07-21 21:12:16	teraflops	bswartz: same here, I have a bunch of arch linux arm VMs
2023-07-21 21:12:25	bswartz	Fedora made me very sad years ago
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2023-07-21 21:12:55	TheDcoder	bswartz: how?
2023-07-21 21:13:21	⚡ 	TheDcoder is running ALARM on his RPi 4
2023-07-21 21:13:22	bswartz	I used Redhat from 1995 until 2003 when they made it cost money and created Fedora instead
2023-07-21 21:13:41	TheDcoder	well it's an upstream distro now
2023-07-21 21:13:49	bswartz	Fedora was crap quality for the first few years. Bad enough that I ran away from Redhat and never went back
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2023-07-21 21:13:53	ℹ 	wallabra|phone_ es conocido ahora como wallabra|phone
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2023-07-21 21:14:29	TheDcoder	lol
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2023-07-21 21:14:43	jelle	ah yeah comparing Fedora to... 20 years ago :)
2023-07-21 21:14:54	bswartz	I used Ubuntu for some time, but Arch stole my heart eventually
2023-07-21 21:15:02	teraflops	fedora is a good arm distro
2023-07-21 21:15:12	TheDcoder	I hate ubuntu, it's crap
2023-07-21 21:15:23	TheDcoder	Debian is okay, but I hate the package manager
2023-07-21 21:15:28	TheDcoder	and the outdated packages
2023-07-21 21:15:37	teraflops	ubuntu has great support for arm too
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2023-07-21 21:15:44	bswartz	PACkage MANager
2023-07-21 21:16:08	bswartz	If only someone would write a better PACkage MANager....
2023-07-21 21:16:19	mefistofeles	honestly, hating on a software distribution sounds like just wanting to hate stuff :P haters gonna hate
2023-07-21 21:16:36	TheDcoder	mefistofeles: yes I hate snap :P
2023-07-21 21:16:42	teraflops	bswartz: pacman is distro-agnostic
2023-07-21 21:16:52	bswartz	<3 pacman
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2023-07-21 21:17:00	TheDcoder	yup, pacman is used in Msys2
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2023-07-21 21:25:04	jkc	Fedora is fine. Ubuntu is fine. Debian is fine. Arch is fine. It's sad that, these days, the most vehemently anti-Linux people are... Linux people.
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2023-07-21 21:26:32	jkc	TheDcoder: You, in particular, don't seem to have many hobbies other than bitching and hating. Maybe fix that.
2023-07-21 21:27:01	TheDcoder	jkc: lmao, and you seem to have a fixation on hating me :P
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2023-07-21 21:27:37	novns	I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship
2023-07-21 21:27:44	TheDcoder	jkc: help me fix my projects
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2023-07-21 21:29:17	novns	there are bad but popular linux distributions
2023-07-21 21:29:54	TheDcoder	novns: true, I don't even know what MX Linux is but I constantly see at the #1 spot in distrowatch
2023-07-21 21:30:32	novns	in one of them, the maintainers make important decisions based on voting in social networks
2023-07-21 21:30:55	novns	and there are random people voting for there
2023-07-21 21:30:56	TheDcoder	novns: which one?
2023-07-21 21:31:03	novns	calculate linux
2023-07-21 21:32:45	novns	and there is slackware, they didn't invent proper package management yet
2023-07-21 21:33:16	krishm	slackware has a package manager. albeit not like arch's
2023-07-21 21:33:42	novns	krishm, it's mostly "let's just unpack this archive and hope it will work"
2023-07-21 21:33:50	bswartz	gentoo doesn't have package manager either
2023-07-21 21:33:57	novns	no dependency tracking, no checks for version 
2023-07-21 21:34:05	novns	*versions
2023-07-21 21:34:31	krishm	i have used both gentoo and slackwares package managers for years. 
2023-07-21 21:34:45	krishm	gentoo has dependency tracking
2023-07-21 21:34:53	novns	I remember when slackware was the only distribution available
2023-07-21 21:35:01	◣	lowden (~shugo@ctrl-c.club) ha salido (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2023-07-21 21:35:18	novns	and copying files from 1x speed CD was slow
2023-07-21 21:35:30	krishm	i have used slackware on and off since ~1997
2023-07-21 21:36:03	krishm	then moved to gentoo/funtoo
2023-07-21 21:36:22	novns	and you had to wait for files being copied, then answer some questions, then wait again, then answer again, then wait again...
2023-07-21 21:36:58	krishm	lol yes those were the days. or compiling gentoo from stage 1 on a 333mhz celeron...
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2023-07-21 21:37:21	novns	compilers were faster those days
2023-07-21 21:37:32	novns	and packages were smaller
2023-07-21 21:37:32	krishm	a lot had to do ith the fact hey are simpler then
2023-07-21 21:37:47	krishm	but it still took 2 weeks for me to get X up and running on that machine
2023-07-21 21:38:11	krishm	it was a good learning experience though
2023-07-21 21:38:29	ℹ 	veegee_ es conocido ahora como veegee
2023-07-21 21:38:38	novns	X itself is not a big thing, if you use pure xdm, twm, xterm etc
2023-07-21 21:39:24	krishm	well technically then X wasnt broken down into all the separate packages it is now
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2023-07-21 21:40:00	krishm	and twm if i remember correctly was included in the few packages 
2023-07-21 21:40:11	krishm	it has been so long ago i may have forgotten though
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2023-07-21 21:42:12	novns	I used windowmaker a lot, and tried run enlightenment 
2023-07-21 21:43:14	krishm	ah windowmaker, yes. e16 was what i remember everyone using because of all the cool animations and eterm's pseudo transparency
2023-07-21 21:43:24	novns	enlightenment was always promising, looked good and segfaulted a lot
2023-07-21 21:43:34	krishm	yes it did
2023-07-21 21:44:23	krishm	i used fluxbox in those days
2023-07-21 21:45:15	krishm	but arch has a lot going for its package management system. its fast and works well.
2023-07-21 21:45:31	lavjuco	anyone know why xorg-server package is forced to install when require nvidia, is not disgusting for wayland configuration?
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2023-07-21 21:46:11	krishm	doesnt wayland have an issue with nvidia drivers not being developed?
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2023-07-21 21:46:38	krishm	i dont know as i stopped using nvidia years ago
2023-07-21 21:46:39	novns	nvidia supports wayland, but you still need X
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2023-07-21 21:46:46	novns	for reasons
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2023-07-21 21:47:55	Namarrgon	a lot of software doesn't support wayland yet and relies on xwayland to be present
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2023-07-21 21:48:28	krishm	thats what I though was well 
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2023-07-21 21:48:44	krishm	i dont use either so I am not he subject matter expert though
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2023-07-21 21:49:41	lavjuco	i'm looking nvidia drivers for PRIME_render_offload, not as main gpu, that's why thinking how to avoid installing X
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2023-07-21 22:10:20	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
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2023-07-21 23:04:50	_mike	fwiw, if i set a podCIDR, to say 10.244.x.x
2023-07-21 23:04:57	_mike	i still get this error
2023-07-21 23:05:00	_mike	[WARNING] plugin/kubernetes: Kubernetes API connection failure: Get "https://10.96.0.1:443/version": dial tcp 10.96.0.1:443: connect: no route to host
2023-07-21 23:05:17	_mike	shouldn't it change IP's when being init'd?
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2023-07-21 23:06:13	qp	probably silly, but have you tried podcidr of say 10.96.?
2023-07-21 23:06:54	_mike	qp, yes, but not since switching grom cilium to flannel
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2023-07-21 23:07:40	_mike	but.... the cluster should have it's own cidr different from the pods, right?
2023-07-21 23:08:05	_mike	if not... 
2023-07-21 23:08:12	qp	sorry i wouldn't know
2023-07-21 23:08:21	_mike	kube-apiserver should be converting --service-cluster-ip-range=10.96.0.0/12
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2023-07-21 23:08:30	lntl	Id like to add a line to my xsession which opens an xterm which runs a /bin/sh which runs cal(1) but i am having trouble
2023-07-21 23:08:31	_mike	to reflect the podcidr
2023-07-21 23:09:06	lntl	i've got: xterm -e /bin/sh -c cal
2023-07-21 23:09:13	lntl	&
2023-07-21 23:09:32	_mike	oh maybe it's due to stale manifests
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2023-07-21 23:10:06	lntl	But it no workie. It doesn't work out of xsession either. As in when I run it from a terminal, an xterm blinks into and out of existence. ANy ideas?
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2023-07-21 23:11:30	dandels	i guess the shell executes the command succesfully then quits and you need an argument that keeps it open
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2023-07-21 23:13:39	_mike		
2023-07-21 23:13:39	_mike	A CIDR notation IP range from which to assign service cluster IPs. This must not overlap with any IP ranges assigned to nodes or pods. Max of two dual-stack CIDRs is allowed.
2023-07-21 23:13:40	_mike	true
2023-07-21 23:13:46	dandels	lntl: see "-hold" in man xterm
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2023-07-21 23:15:05	lntl	dandels: that's it! Thank you
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2023-07-21 23:22:10	qp	_mike: https://itnext.io/an-illustrated-guide-to-kubernetes-networking-part-1-d1ede3322727
2023-07-21 23:22:21	qp	and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5Zl_kDOwBU
2023-07-21 23:22:21	phrik	Title: The Easy--Don't Drive Yourself Crazy--Way to Kubernetes Networking [B] - Gerard Hickey - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
2023-07-21 23:25:34	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-07-22 00:10:18	archcrab	hello, anyone have rice setup with picom? I've been using xprop to find class names and create opacity rules in my picom.conf. for some reason, I can't get xterm transparency to work in that way. however, xterm will show transparancy with inactive-opacity = active-opacity = frame-opacity = set, rather than creating a specific rule for it. here's my
2023-07-22 00:10:18	archcrab	config: http://ix.io/4B9A
2023-07-22 00:11:15	archcrab	(yes, its usually lowered from 100, doesn't work)
2023-07-22 00:11:19	endesse	Hi there everyone :)
2023-07-22 00:12:10	endesse	I'm having some trouble installing Arch... maybe someone can point me to the light :P
2023-07-22 00:12:46	rcf	!someone
2023-07-22 00:12:47	phrik	someone is here
2023-07-22 00:13:05	endesse	I cannot run the livecd (USB stick) because it times out stating a job is running (systemd-udevd) 
2023-07-22 00:13:40	endesse	my build is the same with no changes to hardware and never before have I had this problem :(
2023-07-22 00:15:32	endesse	tried debian for sanity reasons and it installed flawlessly... I'm kind of lost on ideas
2023-07-22 00:16:31	Namarrgon	nvidia gpu?
2023-07-22 00:16:36	endesse	amd
2023-07-22 00:16:45	Namarrgon	only one?
2023-07-22 00:17:05	endesse	iGPU and a dedicated 6750XT
2023-07-22 00:19:20	electrohead	Do you have the option in BIOS to set a primary graphics card?
2023-07-22 00:21:18	endesse	I can check that... so the theory is to disable the IGPU if possible?
2023-07-22 00:25:31	endesse	yes i can set a primary graphics card and try
2023-07-22 00:25:40	endesse	I will have to reboot
2023-07-22 00:26:01	endesse	I thought it would be related to the nvme however
2023-07-22 00:27:20	endesse	will try and be back ;) thks
2023-07-22 00:29:16	dandels	jfc updating systemd resets the settings i've set with setxkbmap
2023-07-22 00:30:27	dandels	i set some things like my keymap in xinitrc but they keep getting reset
2023-07-22 00:43:06	endesse	Hi there again
2023-07-22 00:43:09	endesse	;)
2023-07-22 00:47:39	electrohead	endesse: I'm finally home from the day job, so I'm relaxing and drinking a few beers - also aimlessly walking around the house, so not completely at the computer
2023-07-22 00:47:56	electrohead	that said - any luck?
2023-07-22 00:48:25	electrohead	bumblebee exists for hybrid setups, fyi - not sure if that's what you have going on, or not
2023-07-22 00:48:47	endesse	nop... same problems as before
2023-07-22 00:50:53	endesse	isn't bumblebee only for nvidia?
2023-07-22 00:51:15	endesse	nevertheless I disabled the iGPU now 
2023-07-22 00:52:03	electrohead	hrmm, not sure now, I haven't used bumblebee in a very long time
2023-07-22 00:53:01	endesse	If I could only get to the tty on the live cd and proceed to the install I can manage the rest
2023-07-22 00:53:04	nathan	bumblebee and optimus are both nvidia only yeah
2023-07-22 00:53:20	endesse	thks nathan :)
2023-07-22 00:53:35	nathan	for AMD you'll wanna use PRIME
2023-07-22 00:53:48	electrohead	aha ok, danke
2023-07-22 00:53:56	nathan	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PRIME
2023-07-22 00:53:56	phrik	Title: PRIME - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-22 00:55:27	electrohead	endesse: just to double check, what release are you using, of arch linux?
2023-07-22 00:55:51	endesse	latest 2023.07.01
2023-07-22 00:56:16	endesse	tried the 2023.07.01 (just because it was at hand)
2023-07-22 00:56:20	endesse	oops
2023-07-22 00:56:25	endesse	2023.06.01
2023-07-22 00:58:50	endesse	as for prime... hasn't wayland some sort of support for the same purpose??
2023-07-22 01:00:13	electrohead	ok, so for your booting issue - see here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Boot_debugging#Recovery_shells
2023-07-22 01:00:16	phrik	Title: General troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-22 01:00:40	electrohead	I would totally add systemd.debug_shell to your kernel parameters, to start
2023-07-22 01:01:07	topcat001	have you unplugged everything non-essential from your desk/laptop?
2023-07-22 01:01:23	endesse	electrohead, I will try that thks
2023-07-22 01:01:38	endesse	topcat001, been there already... left only keyboard and mouse
2023-07-22 03:11:04	xeyler	Hello! I'm trying to connect my Logitech MX Master 3 to my desktop via bluetooth, but I can't seem to get it to work...
2023-07-22 03:11:27	xeyler	I can connect the mouse to my laptop which runs Arch and my Android phone
2023-07-22 03:12:03	xeyler	And I can connect to other bluetooth devices from my desktop.
2023-07-22 03:12:12	xeyler	But I can't get this stubborn device to connect...
2023-07-22 03:15:49	xeyler	I'm using an Intel AX200 wifi+bluetooth adapter in my desktop, if that helps at all
2023-07-22 03:43:46	krishm	i am assuming your desktop is running linux and that you have already checked 'systemctl status bluetooth', if the module is loaded for your wifi/bluetooth?
2023-07-22 03:46:40	krishm	a quick search has that a couple of individuals were having intermittent issues in linux and windows with the AX200 (hardware issues). I am not certain if that is what you are experiencing as this was a few years ago.
2023-07-22 03:48:27	krishm	i am shooting in the dark here
2023-07-22 04:14:08	gehidore	they're not even here anymore
2023-07-22 04:14:24	mefistofeles	gehidore: hm?
2023-07-22 04:38:04	krishm	oh well
2023-07-22 07:19:26	ragnar	hello all.  I'm a long time linux user, but doing my first archlinux install on a vm now.  just getting acquainted with the process and having fun with getting under the hood.
2023-07-22 07:21:36	ectospasm	ragnar: good luck and it looks like you're already having fun!
2023-07-22 07:23:56	HumanLove	Hello
2023-07-22 07:33:15	ragnar	install complete, very few issues, the wiki is great.
2023-07-22 07:44:11	ragnar	not counting kernel threads, there are a grand total of 13 userspace pids, systemd*, dbus-daemon, NetworkManager, sshd and login
2023-07-22 07:44:48	ragnar	Startup finished in 1.333s (kernel) + 8.61ms (userspace) = 2.194s
2023-07-22 07:45:22	ragnar	... 861ms ...
2023-07-22 08:28:58	Carbon_Monoxide	Hello! If I'm migrating my system from a SATA drive to NVMe drive. I moved my btrfs partition to the new drive. And I'm now trying to move the /boot partition. Can I simply create the EFI partition and rsync all files from there to new drive EFI partiton. And update my fstab, and create new entry on efibootmgr?
2023-07-22 08:30:47	ponies	Carbon_Monoxide: rsync all you personal files in the home directory 
2023-07-22 08:43:53	Carbon_Monoxide	ponies: What do you mean? I have `btrfs replace` my partition from old drive to new drive. I don't need to rsync my /home.
2023-07-22 08:44:30	Carbon_Monoxide	I'm not trying to find which is the more convenient way to port the /boot over
2023-07-22 08:44:42	ponies	oh you are talking about rsycing your EFI?
2023-07-22 08:45:05	Carbon_Monoxide	Yes. Moving my EFI partition from old to new.
2023-07-22 08:45:11	Carbon_Monoxide	I use GRUB.
2023-07-22 08:45:27	ponies	like, just install whatever bootloader fresh. if you have some custom images, copy them after
2023-07-22 08:47:18	Carbon_Monoxide	Do you mean I should `umount /boot` `mount /dev/nvme0p1n1 /boot` `grub-install`?
2023-07-22 08:47:48	ponies	yes
2023-07-22 08:48:26	ponies	that also creates a boot entry for you 
2023-07-22 08:48:56	Carbon_Monoxide	OK. Thanks a lot, ponies !
2023-07-22 08:48:59	ponies	np
2023-07-22 09:10:10	HumanLove	why it not picking up nouveau drivers i have uninstalled nvidia-dkms, following this https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/nouveau
2023-07-22 09:10:11	phrik	Title: Nouveau - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-22 09:10:27	HumanLove	sway picking amd gpu not the nvidia
2023-07-22 09:17:52	ponies	i think you are meant to install mesa 
2023-07-22 09:19:22	HumanLove	nvidia will not work with sway?
2023-07-22 09:21:30	ponies	wiki says: After NVIDIA driver version 495, sway works if you enable kernel mode setting and run sway with --unsupported-gpu
2023-07-22 09:22:45	ponies	in which case yes, uninstalling dkms driver is correct, but also, install mesa, and probably uninstall that nouveau driver?
2023-07-22 09:23:15	ponies	i think that's what your are supposed to do, but i dont have an nvidia card i cannot be certain
2023-07-22 09:24:32	ponies	its only for xorg anyway
2023-07-22 09:32:23	ragnar	After a few hours, I'm still plugging away.  I saved off my original pristine base build that has just the base system and little else other than openssh sudo sysstat.  I cloned off that base image and am building up a graphical image and a separate console only server image.  I really like the a-la-carte buffet that it is.  It's not LFS, everything is already cooked, you start with a sturdy but
2023-07-22 09:32:25	ragnar	empty plate, and pile on whatever you want..
2023-07-22 09:33:32	HumanLove	what other wms work well with nvidia-wayland-ones?
2023-07-22 09:37:11	ponies	!give HumanLove aw wayland
2023-07-22 09:37:12	phrik	HumanLove: Wayland - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wayland
2023-07-22 09:38:19	HumanLove	why people moving to wayland?
2023-07-22 09:38:29	HumanLove	what is the problem xorg?
2023-07-22 09:38:34	HumanLove	compositer?
2023-07-22 09:40:19	ponies	yes, but you would be having the same problem, as they also need KMS and mesa installed
2023-07-22 09:42:12	ponies	there is no problem with xorg, its just that wayland supercedes it. archlinux supports both 
2023-07-22 09:44:25	ponies	well the 'problem' with xorg is that its old, and has been patched into an unmaintaible jumble of code. And it makes too many draw calls i think maybe 100ms of latency just to open a window 
2023-07-22 09:45:44	ponies	plus x display forwarding is lousy 
2023-07-22 09:50:31	ragnar	x11/xfree86/xorg had a good run, though.  
2023-07-22 09:51:35	ponies	its still running and plenty of people use it 
2023-07-22 09:52:03	Ennea	still _has_ a good run, then. clearly nearing its end, however ;)
2023-07-22 09:52:03	ragnar	Running remote clients over the network to a local display server never quite got to that ideal of running your apps on the hardware that it needed and you just viewed it on your terminal.
2023-07-22 09:52:17	HumanLove	hikari also geting up  the nvidia
2023-07-22 09:52:23	ragnar	totally, I still have xorg all over the place
2023-07-22 09:53:57	ragnar	my new archlinux vm is running wayland at 1920x1080 with virtio video on top of a debian box running xorg
2023-07-22 09:54:43	HumanLove	only nvidia have the problem, not the amd?
2023-07-22 09:54:45	ponies	i really dont know when that will be
2023-07-22 09:56:11	HumanLove	what crazy about wayland? it's the same thing "just the compositer"?
2023-07-22 09:56:32	HumanLove	correct me if im wrong
2023-07-22 09:57:00	ponies	HumanLove: yes, but if you followed the steps in the wiki, what i was pointing at, you would see the solution
2023-07-22 09:57:12	ragnar	and I'm playing audio/video from youtube through the browser on the arch vm through to the hw and looks and sounds pretty okay
2023-07-22 10:00:05	HumanLove	ponies: i see that workds with unsupported gpu but nvtop show only usage of xorg not the wayland
2023-07-22 10:02:04	ponies	ok well you do you, then 
2023-07-22 10:04:57	HumanLove	yes its using amd integreted gpu. im going to wait for solution. 
2023-07-22 10:05:10	HumanLove	of "Wayland"
2023-07-22 10:05:21	ponies	!give HumanLove optimus
2023-07-22 10:05:21	phrik	HumanLove: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUxFiNlrDmA
2023-07-22 10:05:28	ponies	!give HumanLove aw optimus
2023-07-22 10:05:28	phrik	HumanLove: Optimus - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Optimus
2023-07-22 10:05:52	HumanLove	lol
2023-07-22 10:05:56	HumanLove	okay 
2023-07-22 10:06:18	ponies	again, you need KMS and mesa i have said that at least three times and its not fair to just ignore it, when it's essentail 
2023-07-22 10:07:46	HumanLove	sorry for that. 
2023-07-22 10:12:30	Carbon_Monoxide	ponies: When I tried to use `mkinitcpio -P` to regenerate kernel image. It fails.
2023-07-22 10:13:46	ponies	Carbon_Monoxide: $ mount | grep boot
2023-07-22 10:14:03	ponies	wondering if you remembered to format the efi partition
2023-07-22 10:14:59	Carbon_Monoxide	Yes, I've already umount and mount the new /boot partition. https://pastebin.com/V6rQ3P1x
2023-07-22 10:15:00	phrik	Title: /dev/nvme2n1p1 on /boot type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=43 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-07-22 10:15:13	ponies	aside from that: pacman -S linux linux-headers have a pacman hook which regenerates initramfs
2023-07-22 10:15:57	Carbon_Monoxide	I'm using linux-lts. Should I replace the linux-lts-headers as well?
2023-07-22 10:16:31	ponies	not sure if you need them for this actually 
2023-07-22 10:16:53	ragnar	I wouldn't think headers would be necessary that this point
2023-07-22 10:17:03	dandels	yes, you only need the headers for dkms, but you want ones which match the kernel
2023-07-22 10:17:25	Carbon_Monoxide	ponies: It's still failing. https://pastebin.com/NVeA2CPu
2023-07-22 10:17:25	phrik	Title: ==> ERROR: specified kernel image does not exist: '/boot/vmlinuz-linux'error: - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-07-22 10:17:36	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HeB0.txt
2023-07-22 10:17:39	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HeBG.txt
2023-07-22 10:18:28	ponies	are you inside arch-chroot? 
2023-07-22 10:19:09	Carbon_Monoxide	I'm not inside arch-chroot. I have used `btrfs replace` command to move my Arch installation from old SSD to new one.
2023-07-22 10:19:41	Carbon_Monoxide	And then I `grub-install` bootloader to the new EFI partition.
2023-07-22 10:19:53	dandels	mkinitcpio is ran from inside
2023-07-22 10:20:09	ragnar	I saw something similar earlier, you have to have the boot volume mounted at /mnt/boot before you arch-chroot into the install, once you're inside the chroot, then commands that will do grub updates or mkinitcpio should work.
2023-07-22 10:20:35	ponies	hes not inside chroot ^ 
2023-07-22 10:21:04	Carbon_Monoxide	I'm in my current system. I ran `btrfs replace` to move my existing Arch system to new SSD.
2023-07-22 10:21:11	Carbon_Monoxide	I haven't rebooted yet.
2023-07-22 10:21:53	Carbon_Monoxide	btrfs does live migration.
2023-07-22 10:22:31	ponies	yeah but, did you run pacman -S linux-lts ? that places vmlinuz-linux into the /boot paritin
2023-07-22 10:22:56	Carbon_Monoxide	Yes. `pacman -S linux-lts linux-lts-headers`
2023-07-22 10:23:08	Carbon_Monoxide	And the error in pastebin was the last line.
2023-07-22 10:23:41	ponies	but that should also have generated the initramfs.img file 
2023-07-22 10:24:38	Carbon_Monoxide	Here is a full log which I ran again just with linux-lts.
2023-07-22 10:24:40	Carbon_Monoxide	https://pastebin.com/jLKke1eS
2023-07-22 10:24:41	ragnar	Do you see vmlinuz-linux on /boot and /mnt/boot?
2023-07-22 10:24:41	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HeBk.txt
2023-07-22 10:24:41	phrik	Title: [root@archlinux-pc ~]# pacman -S linux-ltswarning: linux-lts-6.1.38-2 is up to - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-07-22 10:25:04	Carbon_Monoxide	No, there is no vmlinuz-linux in my /boot
2023-07-22 10:25:15	ponies	==> Image generation successful 
2023-07-22 10:25:22	Carbon_Monoxide	My /boot is a new partition. I have only installed GRUB onto it.
2023-07-22 10:25:38	Edu4rdSHL	Carbon_Monoxide, what do you have in /etc/mkinitcpio.d/linux.preset
2023-07-22 10:25:56	ponies	==> Creating zstd-compressed initcpio image: '/boot/initramfs-linux-lts.img'
2023-07-22 10:26:38	ponies	oh that error, its trying to also build the mainline linux kernel
2023-07-22 10:27:13	Carbon_Monoxide	https://pastebin.com/vVpKCCcp
2023-07-22 10:27:14	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HeBn.txt
2023-07-22 10:27:14	phrik	Title: /etc/mkinitcpio.d/linux.preset - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-07-22 10:27:42	Edu4rdSHL	Is that ArchLinux or some Arch-based distro?
2023-07-22 10:27:56	Carbon_Monoxide	https://pastebin.com/u68Ebj52
2023-07-22 10:27:57	phrik	Title: /etc/mkinitcpio.d/linux-lts.preset - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-07-22 10:27:57	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HeB5.txt
2023-07-22 10:28:35	Carbon_Monoxide	Edu4rdSHL: It's exactly Arch Linux I installed from archiso manage years ago.
2023-07-22 10:28:45	Carbon_Monoxide	typo: manage -> many
2023-07-22 10:29:04	ponies	so its build lts but fails for linux. did you uninstall linux? $ pacman -Q linux
2023-07-22 10:29:33	Carbon_Monoxide	I still have `linux` in my system. I can uninstall it. I keep it because some packages need it.
2023-07-22 10:30:07	dandels	huh, I thought linux-lts provides linux
2023-07-22 10:30:32	ponies	its in core lol 
2023-07-22 10:30:37	Carbon_Monoxide	Ah, dang! `mkinitcpio -P` works after removing `linux` package.
2023-07-22 10:30:42	qp	is this devnulled trolling here as well?
2023-07-22 10:30:49	qp	same stupid style as in #bash
2023-07-22 10:31:15	Carbon_Monoxide	Sorry for my stupid problem to all!
2023-07-22 10:31:18	@alad	qp: what are you even talking aboutg
2023-07-22 10:32:15	Carbon_Monoxide	Should I copy my `amd-ucode.img` to my new /boot partition?
2023-07-22 10:32:18	dandels	Carbon_Monoxide: that's a strange fix
2023-07-22 10:32:44	Edu4rdSHL	Just reinstall amd-ucode
2023-07-22 10:32:45	ponies	no its normal behaviour because most people who use more than one kernel want them all updated 
2023-07-22 10:33:10	Carbon_Monoxide	Thanks Edu4rdSHL 
2023-07-22 10:33:34	Carbon_Monoxide	dandels: Indeed I sometimes switch my kernel.
2023-07-22 10:33:42	ragnar	If I start building custom kernels on archlinux, should I expect any interesting issues like this?
2023-07-22 10:34:11	Edu4rdSHL	Just have /boot mounted at the updatew time
2023-07-22 10:35:01	ragnar	Well, I guess that's my next venture into learning archlinux, I'm going to see what compiling custom kernels is like
2023-07-22 10:35:05	ponies	what sort of monster unmounts /boot 
2023-07-22 10:35:23	@alad	ponies: your mom when you didn't clean up your room
2023-07-22 10:35:24	ragnar	monsters who forgot to run genfstab during install
2023-07-22 10:35:47	ponies	i keep telling her, my nose is runny !
2023-07-22 10:35:53	Edu4rdSHL	!quote Edu4rdSHL 
2023-07-22 10:35:53	phrik	Edu4rdSHL: <Edu4rdSHL> Btw, Im 1000% dru7nk, just ifnore what I say
2023-07-22 10:36:00	dandels	Carbon_Monoxide: having both linux and linux-lts is normal (I do that), mkinitcpio shouldn't fail just because you have both
2023-07-22 10:36:08	Edu4rdSHL	O fuuck I'm at this again
2023-07-22 10:36:12	Edu4rdSHL	srry
2023-07-22 10:37:24	ragnar	Are there any configs in the arch kernels that are very different from vanilla/upstream/stable/ or linus kernels?
2023-07-22 10:37:43	Edu4rdSHL	Check the pkgbuilds
2023-07-22 10:37:48	ponies	there are some changes, i dont know what
2023-07-22 10:38:10	ragnar	Patches on the source or configs?
2023-07-22 10:38:45	Carbon_Monoxide	ponies: I have a friend he really umount his /boot after it has accomplished its task - boot. His boot is so complicated with tons of partitions and kernels with different distros.
2023-07-22 10:38:52	ponies	maybe the package also includes a build system ? just a guess 
2023-07-22 10:39:08	ragnar	ok, I'll play around and see what happens
2023-07-22 10:39:40	HumanLove	Do you guys know heavy effects compositer for xorg?
2023-07-22 10:39:53	ponies	never heard of it 
2023-07-22 10:40:08	Carbon_Monoxide	My /boot/grub/ has no grub.cfg  (*o*)
2023-07-22 10:40:23	HumanLove	picom is not that good. like windows 
2023-07-22 10:40:28	HumanLove	<3 archlinux
2023-07-22 10:40:42	Carbon_Monoxide	Then how do I modify my modules from bootloader?
2023-07-22 10:40:47	ragnar	Ok, I just stupidly realized that a fully updated archlinux box already has the latest kernel from kernel.org...
2023-07-22 10:41:56	ragnar	So, anything I'd be doing is strictly config.
2023-07-22 10:42:01	ponies	Carbon_Monoxide: grub-mkconfig -o ... 
2023-07-22 10:42:33	Carbon_Monoxide	ponies: <3
2023-07-22 10:43:37	ragnar	I'm still becoming more and more impressed by archlinux as I go
2023-07-22 10:44:57	ponies	mm yeah, in leiu of an installer it has some nice install scripts. and pacman is good too 
2023-07-22 10:46:08	ragnar	So, the non-installer install, drop you in a shell and have you do whatever you want to setup the basic system is actually really appealing to me.
2023-07-22 10:46:24	ponies	but aside from that, its falls short of critisim that other distros have because its community managed, therefore not forcing de's on you, and not forcing you to wait for updates
2023-07-22 10:49:28	ragnar	As I mentioned a basic install isn't at all hard if you have some background on linux and you can fairly readily make it into what ever you want it to be.  Maybe not as many packages out of the box as debian, but AUR makes up for that and is reminiscent of the old OpenBSD days of ports.
2023-07-22 10:49:40	qp	alad: too long to describe it, can give logs of #bash and you'll see what kind of back and forth conversations they had with their sock puppet accounts until they finally got banned this morning, of course joining more sock puppets and going on until actual helpful people quit
2023-07-22 10:50:16	ishan	I install an application, application depends on electron8. Over time, I upgrade application and now application depends on electron9->10->11. I don't auto remove packages because that doesn't quite work and now I have 4-5 versions of electron installed that have no business being there 
2023-07-22 10:50:37	ishan	same thing with qt, jre/jdk 
2023-07-22 10:51:19	ragnar	Of course, in the past few weeks, Redhat and Cannonical have made an impact on the communities trust of Corporately supported distro and, IMO, recharging interest in fully community developed distros like archlinux and debian.
2023-07-22 10:52:32	ragnar	ls
2023-07-22 10:52:46	Ingar	you can not trust the corpo's
2023-07-22 10:53:07	ponies	qp you spammed bash, so they kicked you
2023-07-22 10:53:20	qp	ponies: never been kicked
2023-07-22 10:54:04	ishan	I currently use nfs and smb in my nas. I think I'll drop nfs and use smb. i am checking if I can easily mount smb shares like I can mount nfs in linux 
2023-07-22 10:54:04	ragnar	No, you can't..  In my professional activities, I work with Ubuntu and Oracle Linux.  And it's all drama right now in corporate linux.  
2023-07-22 10:58:43	ragnar	And that's why I keep coming back to community linux in all its forms.  That's were we started, that's where we belong, and the corps who don't know and appreciate the community and put ($)($) in their eyes will suffer the Unix curse.  Unix was supposed to be Free, Linux is Free, anyone who tries to close it up will fail.
2023-07-22 10:59:50	ponies	linux has proprietary blobs in it, its not libre
2023-07-22 11:00:30	ragnar	We're mostly talking about firmware blogs, though
2023-07-22 11:00:45	ragnar	... blobs ...
2023-07-22 11:00:56	ponies	android is not failing last time i checked, just saying 
2023-07-22 11:02:05	ragnar	You have a point there.  I'm partial to the pinephone in principle, but I still have a high-end samsung note, so....
2023-07-22 11:02:07	jelle	ragnar: without corporations you woulnd't have the Linux you have today
2023-07-22 11:02:45	ponies	there would be no gaming on linux and that would be a catastrophe [serious]
2023-07-22 11:04:32	ragnar	This probably isn't the forum, but, yes corporations bring in the development money and there are definite pluses there.  Similarly, those corporations know they're working with open source and have a responsibility there to a community.  It's a push-pull and there is no easy answer.
2023-07-22 11:06:29	ragnar	I think it's fair to say the corporate needs the community and the community needs the corporate to move things forward.
2023-07-22 11:06:48	ragnar	But, don't underestimate the community
2023-07-22 11:07:16	jelle	ragnar: and the two companies you mentioned are involved in it :)
2023-07-22 11:11:57	ragnar	Yes indeed, I'm not calling them evil, maybe they're pinched for profits and are squeezing customers to account for the bigger ripple effect on the economy as a result of the past couple years of pandemic, economic stop, restart, shipping, supply chain pressures, chaning costs, inflation, adjustment, etc etc.  We're seeing almost everything get disrupted eventually over time by a rippling wave. 
2023-07-22 11:11:59	ragnar	My company has to stay in business otherwise I'm out of a job, so do the big Linux vendors.  I get it.  
2023-07-22 11:14:23	ishan	with samba on a 1gbit link I get ~109mbps speed and CPU usage goes up to 10%. with nfs, I get 105mbps but it CPU usage doesn't even register! 
2023-07-22 11:14:40	ishan	nfs is a bit annoying to run in lxc containers so i'll drop it anyway. 
2023-07-22 11:15:02	jelle	you could try ksmbd
2023-07-22 11:15:10	jelle	but likely it will always be slower
2023-07-22 11:15:22	ishan	slower than samba or slower than nfs ? 
2023-07-22 11:15:42	jelle	slower then nfs
2023-07-22 11:15:51	ishan	It's faster than nfs for me. (smb3_11) 
2023-07-22 11:16:09	ishan	But I have been testing with 1 huge file
2023-07-22 11:16:16	ishan	I am not sure how do I test with lots of smaller files 
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2023-07-22 11:21:52	ishan	Listing directories/files takes 36 seconds with smb and 4 seconds with nfs 
2023-07-22 11:21:56	ishan	:( 
2023-07-22 11:22:15	Ennea	should the arch wiki's page on SMART include vendor specific quirks? wondering if i should add some
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2023-07-22 11:24:14	ishan	Set `store dos attributes = no` and directory listing time drops from 36 seconds to 7 seconds 
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2023-07-22 11:31:56	ishan	I can't disable it :( https://www.truenas.com/community/threads/disabling-dos-attributes-to-improve-samba-browsing-performance.24906/
2023-07-22 11:31:58	phrik	Title: Disabling DOS Attributes to improve samba browsing performance | TrueNAS Community (at www.truenas.com)
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2023-07-22 11:35:45	ponies	ishan check $ man smb.conf
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2023-07-22 11:37:18	ishan	I am going through that and a few other sources 
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2023-07-22 12:08:27	BrainDamage	ishan: if you run iperf3 on both machines, what speeds do you achieve?
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2023-07-22 12:09:03	ishan	BrainDamage: ~930MBPS 
2023-07-22 12:09:05	ishan	*mbps 
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2023-07-22 12:09:22	BrainDamage	ok, at least it's not a link issue
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2023-07-22 12:09:50	ishan	I have disabled dos attributes and ea support
2023-07-22 12:10:09	ishan	Apparently, only some old backup applications use it and I don't use system user for this purpose in windows any way
2023-07-22 12:10:24	ishan	final config for this was, ea support = no store dos attributes = no map archive = no map hidden = no map readonly = no map system = no
2023-07-22 12:10:55	ishan	final directory listing time after all this is 4seconds for nfs4 and 6.5 seconds for smb which is close enoughb 
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2023-07-22 12:13:14	ishan	This is a shared nas with multiple users so managing permissions is also so much easier 
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2023-07-22 12:17:22	Steven_M	Hi, is it okay to create a user with a hypinated username?
2023-07-22 12:19:40	ariadnavigo	systemd creates a bunch of users that are named systemd-*, there should be no problem
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2023-07-22 12:20:41	ariadnavigo	if it's invalid useradd will tell you, I guess
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2023-07-22 12:27:02	Steven_M	ariadnavigo:  cool thanks :-)
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2023-07-22 21:46:29	furetto	i can install pipewire 
2023-07-22 21:46:30	nagefire	Also depends whether your audio is system-wide or user-dependent
2023-07-22 21:46:46	furetto	in this moment i use pulseaudio
2023-07-22 21:46:55	nagefire	Stick with that, no need to complicate
2023-07-22 21:47:19	nagefire	If it's pulse, then `sudo pactl ...` may work when `pactl ...` doesn't
2023-07-22 21:48:18	furetto	if i use pactl with sudo this return an error
2023-07-22 21:49:05	furetto	Connection failed: Connection refused
2023-07-22 21:49:07	furetto	pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused
2023-07-22 21:49:18	nagefire	Okay, so your pulse is running userside
2023-07-22 21:52:25	furetto	nagefire: può mancare qualche modulo del kernel?
2023-07-22 21:52:36	furetto	nagefire: can it be missing some kernel module ?
2023-07-22 21:52:56	nagefire	But I thought it worked when the webcam wasn't plugged in?
2023-07-22 21:53:42	nagefire	Unless your audio card is super state of the art the issue isn't with kernel modules or drivers
2023-07-22 21:54:15	furetto	nagefire: the motherboard is ASUS ROG STRIX B760-F GAMING WIFI 
2023-07-22 21:56:01	nagefire	If the microphone works on your webcam it can't be a module, so that leaves the driver
2023-07-22 21:57:00	furetto	nagefire: but the webcam is connect from usb cable
2023-07-22 21:57:19	nagefire	Then it isn't a driver or module issue
2023-07-22 21:58:18	nagefire	If your audio works at all from that card, it's either hardware (3.5mm jack is burned out) or software config
2023-07-22 21:58:20	furetto	nagefire: the problem is in a settings ?
2023-07-22 21:58:23	nagefire	Yes
2023-07-22 21:59:04	furetto	nagefire: the hardware work correctly becouse in os windows work
2023-07-22 21:59:21	furetto	the same headphone
2023-07-22 22:00:25	nagefire	Wait, is this a TRRS headset (audio output/input through a single cable)?
2023-07-22 22:00:32	nagefire	Or a microphone?
2023-07-22 22:01:18	furetto	is a headset output/input in a single cable
2023-07-22 22:02:25	furetto	3.5mm contains a microphone channel
2023-07-22 22:02:44	furetto	is TRRS 
2023-07-22 22:03:38	nagefire	I don't know how to configure that
2023-07-22 22:03:56	nagefire	Do any devices disappear from `pactl list short sources` when you unplug the headset?
2023-07-22 22:04:37	nagefire	No wait, that command lists all possible sources regardless of whether there's anything there
2023-07-22 22:05:01	furetto	nagefire: exaclty 
2023-07-22 22:05:14	nagefire	What is the output of dmesg?
2023-07-22 22:05:31	nagefire	(When you plug/unplug the device?)
2023-07-22 22:06:35	furetto	nagefire: no message
2023-07-22 22:07:42	nagefire	Oh yeah, the driver is already configured for the card so that wouldn't work
2023-07-22 22:08:45	furetto	nagefire: does it mean that the driver is correctly installed ?
2023-07-22 22:08:59	nagefire	dmesg spits out messages when a new driver is loaded/unloaded
2023-07-22 22:09:14	nagefire	The driver isn't unloaded when you unplug the headset because the headset has no driver
2023-07-22 22:09:21	nagefire	The audio card takes care of that
2023-07-22 22:10:27	furetto	ok that means some driver is taking care of itok, 
2023-07-22 22:12:55	nagefire	Have you tried setting alsa_input.usb-Generic_USB_Audio_00.HiFi__hw_Audio_1_source as the default source
2023-07-22 22:12:57	nagefire	?
2023-07-22 22:16:31	nagefire	The nuclear option would be something like `pactl move-source-output [source output] [source]`
2023-07-22 22:16:35	furetto	nagefire: in `aplay -d <device> -t tome test.wav` what is device to indicate ?
2023-07-22 22:17:29	nagefire	`aplay -l` lists how ALSA sees your system devices and should list every virtual audio IO device
2023-07-22 22:17:57	nagefire	`aplay -D [device]` specifies which of those devices aplay will use play audio
2023-07-22 22:18:45	nagefire	To test a mic you want `arecord -D [device] -d [delay] [output.wav]` to sample [delay] seconds of audio [device]
2023-07-22 22:19:14	nagefire	Then you can play the file back `mpv output.wav` to see if anything was recorded
2023-07-22 22:21:09	furetto	the list of aplay -l is https://pastebin.com/y3xHPkjq
2023-07-22 22:21:10	phrik	Title: **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-07-22 22:21:10	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HeQf.txt
2023-07-22 22:21:23	furetto	how to indicate in aplay -d ?
2023-07-22 22:21:46	nagefire	if your speakers are working you don't need to do that
2023-07-22 22:21:54	nagefire	aplay will choose the default output device
2023-07-22 22:23:28	tb0n3	I'm going to be putting arch on a new device with plenty of space. Last time I installed it on my desktop I went with 50GB of space for the root partition and everything else for my /home. I've been suffering from this choice ever since because I like to install a bunch of stuff and things like jellyfin use up lots of space in /opt iirc. Any suggestions on what I should do with a /home
2023-07-22 22:23:28	tb0n3	partition? Should 
2023-07-22 22:23:34	tb0n3	I even bother since I'm not planning on running encryption on it?
2023-07-22 22:24:03	tb0n3	I think it came in handy all of one time since I could reinstall the system on the root partition and keep my /home
2023-07-22 22:24:26	furetto	nagefire: i can use arecord for test microphone ?
2023-07-22 22:24:41	tb0n3	woops
2023-07-22 22:24:53	CubeTheThird	I would suggest you use LVM. I have /var on a different partition since its size is more volatile. LVM also makes it easier to resize things later if needed
2023-07-22 22:24:57	tb0n3	I forgot the command for irssi to close a msg window
2023-07-22 22:25:47	tb0n3	CubeTheThird: Is there a good starting point to do that in the installation wiki page? I've used it a few times but there's certain things that aren't exactly made clear, especially doing efi stuff with the boot managers.
2023-07-22 22:26:07	tb0n3	I've only used LVM with ubuntu installers and that was 7+ years ago
2023-07-22 22:28:25	CubeTheThird	I'd recommend you just look at the LVM page on the Wiki. In short, you make your LVM groups, and then you make the partitions on them as though they are drives themselves
2023-07-22 22:28:58	furetto	nagefire: https://pastebin.com/DTbuRfGt the last device maybe is it
2023-07-22 22:28:58	phrik	Title: furetto@archlinux:/home/furetto $ arecord -L frontnull Discard all sample - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-07-22 22:28:59	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/He1m.txt
2023-07-22 22:29:01	CubeTheThird	The only thing to keep in mind is that your /boot should not be on LVM, as that is generally not supported
2023-07-22 22:29:17	astralc	you need to create pv, and vg on the pv, and then lv in the vg, and then filesystem for the lv
2023-07-22 22:29:24	astralc	simple, right?
2023-07-22 22:30:18	tb0n3	CubeTheThird: right. Well, I made an /efi partition I believe which can be read, and boot is in the main root partition. I'll have to check again, but can the EFI folder be in the boot partition as a folder?
2023-07-22 22:31:35	tb0n3	astralc: :|
2023-07-22 22:31:48	tb0n3	yes. simple. I can follow directions at least
2023-07-22 22:31:59	tb0n3	I'm used to just using fdisk/cfdisk and mkfs
2023-07-22 22:32:10	tb0n3	I should change with the times I guess
2023-07-22 22:32:22	CubeTheThird	if I'm not mistaken, efi gets mounted to /boot. Or at least, they are essentially the same thing
2023-07-22 22:32:27	tb0n3	if I'm not doing anything special with booting should I just go with efi boot without grub?
2023-07-22 22:32:47	CubeTheThird	if you want a super simple boot, use systemd-boot
2023-07-22 22:32:48	astralc	not, esp and /boot are different thing
2023-07-22 22:33:01	CubeTheThird	thanks ^^
2023-07-22 22:33:03	astralc	can be same partition, but not mandatory the it is
2023-07-22 22:33:59	tb0n3	I believe that the efi boot allows reading of ext4 where my grub install is
2023-07-22 22:34:10	tb0n3	whatever it does it works fine for me
2023-07-22 22:34:17	astralc	what is 'efi boot'?
2023-07-22 22:35:07	tb0n3	EFISTUB
2023-07-22 22:35:16	tb0n3	I didn't remember the name so I had to look it up
2023-07-22 22:35:41	tb0n3	basically forgo the typicall boot loader and load it all from an .efi
2023-07-22 22:36:26	astralc	so the kernel is in the efi partition
2023-07-22 22:37:13	tb0n3	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFISTUB kernel as an efi executable
2023-07-22 22:37:13	phrik	Title: EFISTUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-22 22:38:58	tb0n3	Just weighing my options. My nvme drive I'm installing on isn't coming til next weekend. In the mean time I get to muddle through Windows 11.
2023-07-22 22:39:12	tb0n3	At least I didn't need to pull any shenanigans to create a local user
2023-07-22 22:39:14	zeratul	what image viewer is most like to nomacs?
2023-07-22 22:39:35	furetto	nagefire: https://pastebin.com/a0Rg3fiT
2023-07-22 22:39:35	phrik	Title: furetto@archlinux:/home/furetto $ arecord -Lnull Discard all samples (pla - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-07-22 22:39:36	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/He1e.txt
2023-07-22 22:41:52	tb0n3	zeratul: gwenview seems to be comparable. What is it you're looking for specifically?
2023-07-22 22:43:22	tb0n3	What exactly would I gain from going with systemd-boot vs old reliable grub? I suppose I'd be less likely to try and turn my computer on one day and find out arch screwed it up?
2023-07-22 22:51:32	Namarrgon	it's simpler and has better uefi support
2023-07-22 22:52:16	Namarrgon	most of the recent grub "issues" were PEBKAC
2023-07-22 22:54:44	tb0n3	Namarrgon: Are you sure? All that I had was a hook to update grub-install and I got efishelled
2023-07-22 22:55:13	Namarrgon	what happened?
2023-07-22 22:55:45	furetto	nagefire: the correct command for thest the microphone is `arecord -D front:CARD=Audio,DEV=0 -d 3 -f S24_3LE -c 2 vi.wav` but microphone not work
2023-07-22 22:56:36	tb0n3	Namarrgon: did you not see the news on the main page a year ago?
2023-07-22 22:57:02	Namarrgon	yes but that was posted because people were doing partial upgrades, you can't blame arch for that
2023-07-22 22:57:19	tb0n3	https://archlinux.org/news/grub-bootloader-upgrade-and-configuration-incompatibilities/
2023-07-22 22:57:19	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Grub bootloader upgrade and configuration incompatibilities (at archlinux.org)
2023-07-22 22:57:31	Namarrgon	but since your hook reinstall the payload as well as update grub.cfg it must have been a different issue
2023-07-22 22:57:43	Namarrgon	*reinstalls
2023-07-22 22:58:35	tb0n3	who knows, maybe that was what made me put in the hook
2023-07-22 22:59:00	Namarrgon	if you don't know why are you blaming arch for it?
2023-07-22 22:59:13	Namarrgon	either way, pick whatever works best for you
2023-07-22 23:00:07	tb0n3	all I remember was it was a widespread enough issue on arch for it to require a main page post
2023-07-22 23:20:02	tb0n3	LVM seems nice to create a logical RAID style volume with disparate disks, but I'm guessing it's just as useful in partitioning a single physical disk?
2023-07-22 23:20:19	Namarrgon	yup
2023-07-22 23:21:34	tb0n3	Is it necessary to dm-crypt the entire logical volume, or can I pick and choose to do just the home directory and leave the root directory unencrypted?
2023-07-22 23:21:57	Namarrgon	with luks?
2023-07-22 23:22:16	Namarrgon	you have to encrypt either the whole PV or single LVs
2023-07-22 23:22:18	tb0n3	I guess it's not as useful as I was thinking since the .ssh/authorized_keys would be encrypted. I was thinking of being able to recover from a blackout reboot, or just reboot and be able to get my system up and running away from home
2023-07-22 23:22:59	tb0n3	Not that that's an issue on my new setup since it'll be with me rather than a server from home
2023-07-22 23:24:15	tb0n3	I guess if you can encrypt LVs it's still possible. Is there a way to have sshd use a folder outside of /home/$USER to pull public key authentication from?
2023-07-22 23:25:05	Namarrgon	maybe take a look at systemd-homed if that's a requirement
2023-07-22 23:25:30	tb0n3	gah, can't escape systemd. damn lenart creating a monolith here
2023-07-22 23:26:06	tb0n3	Honestly it's nice what he's doing but I think it kind of goes against the whole ethos of individual utilities doing simple jobs
2023-07-22 23:26:43	Namarrgon	you asked for feature X and systemd gave you a solution to it yet you complain about it?
2023-07-22 23:27:01	tb0n3	Nah, just commenting about systemd in an aside
2023-07-22 23:27:22	Namarrgon	i'm sick and tired of these "complaints", keep them to yourself
2023-07-22 23:28:35	tb0n3	How big is the systemd family now anyway? He's gone from boot loader to audio framework
2023-07-22 23:28:56	Namarrgon	"he"?
2023-07-22 23:29:22	tb0n3	Lenart Pottering
2023-07-22 23:29:35	Namarrgon	you really think he designed and wrote all that himself?
2023-07-22 23:30:20	tb0n3	I'm not trying to argue about it, but he is instrumental in the creation of a large ecosystem of utilities
2023-07-22 23:31:17	tb0n3	The whole systemd taking over the world thing is just a meme to me. I have no stake in it.
2023-07-22 23:33:10	brocellous	then quit trolling
2023-07-22 23:33:29	tb0n3	?
2023-07-22 23:34:09	tb0n3	Commenting on a thing being a thing isn't trolling
2023-07-22 23:35:11	Namarrgon	maybe stick to the technical aspects if you don't want to mistaken for a troll
2023-07-22 23:35:17	Namarrgon	+be
2023-07-22 23:36:16	bjourne	i have this error in the log: plasmashell[428385]: ERROR:chrome_browser_cloud_management_controller.cc(162)] Cloud management controller initialization aborted as CBCM is not enabled.
2023-07-22 23:36:42	bjourne	how come systemd claims the sender is plasmashell when it should be chrome?
2023-07-22 23:38:17	chromas	plasmashell probably started the chrome process so that might be where the messages appear to come from
2023-07-22 23:39:51	tb0n3	Is it really worth while to setup secure boot?
2023-07-22 23:40:07	tb0n3	It seems like one more annoyance to deal with if anything goes wrong.
2023-07-22 23:40:39	tb0n3	especially if my computer has a clear cmos button
2023-07-22 23:41:09	digital_mystik	hello.. question about udisks2's mount_options.conf vs /etc/fstab entries - does udisks2 ignore mount options and locations that are already noted in /etc/fstab? So for instance if I have my typical setup for my onboard btrfs disk (options, subvols etc) and would like to set btrfs defaults for any externals drives that are mounted like
2023-07-22 23:41:09	digital_mystik	btrfs_defaults=noatime,nodiratime,compress=zstd:3,ssd,space_cache=v2, my fstab entries
2023-07-22 23:41:09	digital_mystik	will not change with the btrfs_defaults set?
2023-07-22 23:43:16	digital_mystik	just a bit unsure due to this note in the wiki: "Lines override the corresponding built-in defaults. Make sure not to accidentally remove mount options this way."
2023-07-22 23:43:16	bjourne	chromas: true, but it doesn't explain why chrome is masquerading as plasmashell?
2023-07-22 23:46:00	chromas	Not sure, other than if journald thinks the output is coming from the plasmashell process (or process group). Do you get those messages often, and where do they appear from if you run chrome from a terminal instead of the menu or however you normally start it?
2023-07-22 23:53:43	NetSysFire	Ennea: okay so i actually solved my dxvk issue! installing dxvk via winetricks did it
2023-07-22 23:54:44	Pikk3wyn	NetSysFire: what wine build you on also
2023-07-22 23:54:56	Pikk3wyn	i recommend wine GE from aur
2023-07-22 23:55:37	NetSysFire	i tried that normal wine from the repos and now i am on wine-valve
2023-07-22 23:55:41	Pikk3wyn	also, if you install a bleeding / patched dxvk from aur and copy the dlls over to your prefix, you can sometimes get better performance
2023-07-22 23:55:52	Pikk3wyn	NetSysFire: dont use that
2023-07-22 23:55:55	Pikk3wyn	use wine GE
2023-07-22 23:55:59	NetSysFire	why?
2023-07-22 23:56:10	Pikk3wyn	the valve one is not meant to be used as it is
2023-07-22 23:56:30	Pikk3wyn	the valve ones have a bunch of changes and patches that are not generally applicable, and are probably outdated AF
2023-07-22 23:56:40	NetSysFire	ah
2023-07-22 23:56:46	Pikk3wyn	wine-valve is v4 also XD
2023-07-22 23:56:51	Pikk3wyn	wine GE is best wine
2023-07-22 23:57:12	Pikk3wyn	also, dont use proton to run non steam stuff
2023-07-22 23:57:35	NetSysFire	you mean wine-ge-custom?
2023-07-23 00:01:51	tb0n3	is that GE as in the GloriousEggroll that produces great proton releases?
2023-07-23 00:02:41	tb0n3	Pikk3wyn: If you shouldn't use proton for that why is it pretty regularly used by lutris and heroic?
2023-07-23 00:03:29	Pikk3wyn	proton contains specific optimisations for certain games, i'm not saying to never use it
2023-07-23 00:04:10	Pikk3wyn	just that if you don't already have a reason to use it, it is often not optimal
2023-07-23 00:04:58	Pikk3wyn	also you can run steam stuff through lutris instead of relying on steam's obtuse compatibilitytools.d and compatdata management thing
2023-07-23 00:05:22	Pikk3wyn	people often prefer to roll their own proton prefix that isn't messed around by steam, or split into strange multiple locations
2023-07-23 00:05:31	Pikk3wyn	i would imagine that is the primary use for it
2023-07-23 00:05:36	NetSysFire	this is actually a game i got off an old disc, no steam
2023-07-23 00:05:47	Pikk3wyn	they should be using proton-ge anyway haha
2023-07-23 00:06:00	Pikk3wyn	NetSysFire: wine-ge is what youre looking for
2023-07-23 00:06:10	NetSysFire	i will keep that in mind
2023-07-23 00:16:45	aguitel	with Dolphin usb are hidden
2023-07-23 00:17:50	akik	aguitel: no
2023-07-23 01:22:52	mefistofeles	is there a way to know when a package was first included in the official repos?
2023-07-23 01:23:19	gromit	mefistofeles: why? 
2023-07-23 01:23:31	mefistofeles	gromit: just curious
2023-07-23 01:26:16	dandels	pkgbuilds are in version history afaik so you could dig through that
2023-07-23 01:26:40	mefistofeles	ok, I was hoping something from pacman or similar, but yeah, that should work
2023-07-23 01:26:55	gromit	dandels: yeah but I am not sure whether pre-svn history was kept
2023-07-23 01:27:39	dandels	right, I forgot how far back it goes. This for example has a change from 11 years ago https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/9base/-/tree/main
2023-07-23 01:27:40	phrik	Title: Files · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / 9base · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-07-23 01:28:43	gromit	dandels: 14 yrs for me, but this also answers that history before was not preserved 
2023-07-23 01:28:53	gromit	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/9base/-/commit/2e67d43881d7652e61c1484cc3449cb110fbed34
2023-07-23 01:28:54	phrik	Title: Initial commit of community repo into svn (2e67d438) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / 9base · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-07-23 01:29:03	mefistofeles	hmm the gitlab webUI doesn't seem great at this
2023-07-23 01:29:08	Scimmia	yeah, nothing from cvs got migrated
2023-07-23 01:29:24	mefistofeles	no filter/sorting in the commits view
2023-07-23 01:29:44	dandels	mefistofeles: i noticed the same
2023-07-23 01:48:22	bswartz	mefistofeles: your name is misspelled
2023-07-23 01:48:40	mefistofeles	bswartz: you need to know more about languages :)
2023-07-23 01:50:15	dandels	:D
2023-07-23 01:51:03	MacGyver	I mean.
2023-07-23 01:51:08	MacGyver	Not even about languages.
2023-07-23 03:58:29	MortimerHoughton	quit
2023-07-23 04:09:23	Soni	so how much breaks if you source "$HOME/venv/bin/activate" in .bashrc or something
2023-07-23 04:11:26	Scimmia	What breaks if you override the system python and/or python libraries? Could be anything, could be nothing
2023-07-23 04:21:36	Qudit	It depends on how the applications you use invoke python. If they use /usr/bin/python (as many seem to in the shebang for example), it won't break anything but if they make calls to python without using the full path you might have problems.
2023-07-23 05:16:14	DeepDayze	Python seems to open so  many cans of worms
2023-07-23 05:24:16	mefistofeles	Soni: if you are doing it for your user sessions, nothing in the system should break, in general
2023-07-23 05:25:54	Soni	Qudit: sounds like a problem for maintainers
2023-07-23 05:26:07	mefistofeles	Soni: indeed, maintainers and devs
2023-07-23 05:26:20	Soni	(but it would enable pip install, which is nice)
2023-07-23 05:26:37	mefistofeles	Soni: you can always pip install as user
2023-07-23 05:26:56	mefistofeles	Soni: the problem is that it's hard to track packages that way, again, the better way is to have environments
2023-07-23 05:31:59	llua	they were already warned that it was a bad idea from #python
2023-07-23 05:32:15	mefistofeles	llua: yeah, I remember
2023-07-23 05:32:23	mefistofeles	they seem to be very stubborn
2023-07-23 06:34:07	popsch	I'm experiencing timeout delays with firefox, thunar, etc. when I open them. I had this problem a while ago and someone here immediately identified the problem as something with a gnome library or so. I should have written down the fix. Any ideas?
2023-07-23 06:45:00	coruja	popsch: xdg-desktop-portal* packages?
2023-07-23 06:54:13	popsch	coruja, yes! I checked the recently installed packages and removed them. This package was among them. It's working normally now again. Thanks!
2023-07-23 07:31:49	Santzes	I upgraded my stuff day ago and now bluetooth isn't working so I ran -Syu again and now mkinitcpio gets stuck at Running build hook: keymap for like 5-10 minutes (it's running that for multiple kernels so has been running for 30min) :/
2023-07-23 07:32:33	Santzes	Failed to send WATCHDOG=1 notification message: Transport endpoint is not connected is the only log entry that I'm not sure if I've seen it before
2023-07-23 07:35:06	Santzes	both IO and cpu seem to be working fine otherwise
2023-07-23 07:35:32	rv1sr	Some failed services? systemctl --failed
2023-07-23 07:37:26	Santzes	Failed to list units: Connection timed out    hmmmmhhmhmh
2023-07-23 07:40:13	rv1sr	Is dbus-daemon running?
2023-07-23 07:41:37	Santzes	I obv can't systemctl status but there is a process running
2023-07-23 07:42:32	rv1sr	Mh, okay
2023-07-23 07:43:12	Santzes	I'm using btrfs, maybe I should run scrub to check the integrity
2023-07-23 07:44:25	rv1sr	I don't think thats related, unless you see indicators of filesystem corruption in the log
2023-07-23 07:45:09	rv1sr	But also I don't know whats your issue, never had that happen before
2023-07-23 07:46:15	rv1sr	Does mkinitpcio also hang if you remove the keymap hook?
2023-07-23 07:46:48	rv1sr	I don't think it depends on dbus running correctly
2023-07-23 07:46:50	Santzes	I don't know, it's still running, but the ones before and after the keymap go through quickly
2023-07-23 07:47:39	Santzes	there is a "systemd[1]: Failed to fork off sandboxing environment for executing generators: Protocol error" and "systemd[1]: Freezing execution." dmesg
2023-07-23 07:49:33	rv1sr	All the approaches I can think of now would require an intact dbus/systemctl
2023-07-23 07:50:43	Santzes	maybe I'll just wait for the pacman to finish and hopefully can boot again
2023-07-23 07:51:49	rv1sr	If it ultimately fails and you are left without a working initramfs, you could still chroot inside and hopefully build it freshly - as a last resort
2023-07-23 08:02:56	Qudit	Soni: I think in general you won't have too many problems. If you use pyenv with the shell init code it generates you are essentially doing the same thing. Issues are possible though if packages aren't careful to specify the system installation though.
2023-07-23 08:03:08	Qudit	Of course, other solutions have their own issues.
2023-07-23 08:20:05	Ennea	NetSysFire, isn't that what i said to do? what were you doing instead?
2023-07-23 08:40:41	Santzes	I'm having a hard time rebooting without systemd :P shutdown (-h) nope, reboot nope
2023-07-23 08:43:10	akik	Santzes: if you don't care about the service shutdown: sync; reboot -f -f
2023-07-23 08:43:42	Santzes	akik: thanks but something booted it already
2023-07-23 08:43:45	akik	Santzes: that doesn't stop any services, just reboots right away
2023-07-23 08:43:53	Santzes	and systemd / everything works finally o/
2023-07-23 09:33:56	Tom^	anyone else running kde and cant click to focus their desktop icons using folder view? thinking i have screwed up locally
2023-07-23 09:37:21	Steven_M	Hi All, I posted a long-ish question here: https://bpa.st/raw/ZBQA
2023-07-23 09:39:37	Steven_M	Sorry Tom^, I don't run KDE, so can't help. :-(
2023-07-23 09:47:46	JustUni	hey Steven_M if you think the EFI entry hasn't been written you could try manually adding it with efibbootmgr https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot#Manual_entry_using_efibootmgr
2023-07-23 09:47:48	phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-23 10:21:29	txtsd	Can motherboards normally support HDMI out and DVI out at the same time? I'm trying to get a dual monitor setup on my Ryzen 2400G without a dGPU.
2023-07-23 10:43:59	Steven_M	justaguy: Are you the same person as JustUni?
2023-07-23 11:11:40	Steven_M	JustUni: Sorry, I got held up AFK. Thanks for the tip. :-) I'll give the manual method a try in a few minutes.
2023-07-23 11:30:47	post-factum	fyi https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/79176
2023-07-23 11:30:48	phrik	Title: FS#79176 : [mpv] Failed to initialize audio driver 'pipewire' (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-07-23 11:46:01	sukhman	hey there, my battery percentage is not properly showing. I checked my /sys/class/power_supply/capacity but it shows the percentage wrong. When i run "acpi -b" command it shows the correct percentage. How and Why? Any solution
2023-07-23 11:49:35	Antiz	post-factum: I'm on it. Just checking with upstream if they'll release a new tag soon to decide if we wait for it and if I patch the fix in the current Arch MPV build in the mean time
2023-07-23 11:49:53	Antiz	Thanks for raising the issue on the bugtracker BTW :)
2023-07-23 11:51:55	post-factum	Antiz: thanks for taking care of it
2023-07-23 11:52:06	post-factum	(i'm tired of pipewire bugs…)
2023-07-23 12:15:05	sukhman	do u guys have any solution on how to fix the battery percentage
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2023-07-23 12:23:42	nerdsrawesome12	I think this might be an easy fix but I can't figure it out for some reason. The issue I am having is this: "Systemd-remount: zroot/ROOT/default cannot be mounted due to invalid option 'casesensetive' Use -s option to ignore the bad mount option." Is this good enough or would you perfer a log?
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2023-07-23 12:25:39	Namarrgon	does zfs support that mount option?
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2023-07-23 12:28:09	nerdsrawesome12	Namarrgon, yeah it does and it seems something to do with the properties. I don't know why I didn't think of just using zfs --help 
2023-07-23 12:28:56	Namarrgon	did you type that option correctly?
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2023-07-23 12:32:17	nerdsrawesome12	Namarrgon, how would I check if I did? something like zfs get all zroot/ROOT/default ?
2023-07-23 12:32:44	Namarrgon	what does that return?
2023-07-23 12:34:03	nerdsrawesome12	Alot of properties. I just did this: zfs get all | grep "case" and it gave me this: zroot/ROOT/default casesensitivity sensitive - 
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2023-07-23 12:37:54	nerdsrawesome12	Namarrgon, I also can't change the zroot/ROOT/default properties because casesensitivity is readonly 
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2023-07-23 12:40:24	Namarrgon	find out what is trying to change it and club it
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2023-07-23 12:42:21	nerdsrawesome12	Namarrgon, how would I do that exactly? 
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2023-07-23 12:42:45	Namarrgon	did you create the pools yourself?
2023-07-23 12:43:01	Namarrgon	and is this arch linux?
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2023-07-23 12:44:32	nerdsrawesome12	Yeah I created them from scratch and yes this is arch linux. I have literally everything done correctly I think such as I have my bpool, my efi partition and my zroot 
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2023-07-23 12:45:12	nerdsrawesome12	I keep forgetting to ping you Namarrgon 
2023-07-23 12:45:13	Earnestly	casesensitivity vs. casesensetive?
2023-07-23 12:45:52	Earnestly	senset vs. sensit?
2023-07-23 12:46:21	nerdsrawesome12	Still kind of new with zfs, but I am glad that I've gotten this far with it. All I need is to somehow fix this error and I should be able to enter my luks pass, and everything should get mounted 
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2023-07-23 12:46:28	Earnestly	Seems the first suggestion of spelling it correctly was the issue
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2023-07-23 12:47:54	nerdsrawesome12	Earnestly, it should be spelled correctly. Then again, I do have zfs-mount and systemd-remount running at the same time which could be the issue 
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2023-07-23 12:49:41	Earnestly	It's not spelled correctly in the error message you posted to the channel, that's all I can go on
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2023-07-23 12:51:05	nerdsrawesome12	Oh, I see what you mean. Sorry the words are really small. It should be spelled correctly. I'll upload the log just in case 
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2023-07-23 12:58:05	nerdsrawesome12	Or I need better glasses lol. Here's the log: https://bpa.st/O5IQ And I think I found the issue: " filesystem 'zroot/ROOT/default' cannot be mounted due to invalid option 'casesensitive'." lol 
2023-07-23 12:58:06	phrik	Title: View paste O5IQ (at bpa.st)
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2023-07-23 13:00:02	nerdsrawesome12	Oh so the feature casesensitivity isn't supported by GRUB?
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2023-07-23 13:01:56	Namarrgon	/boot is on the encrypted zfs pool?
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2023-07-23 13:02:42	nerdsrawesome12	Namarrgon,  Yeah it is. I have my bpool mounted to /boot and my / is encrytped with luks 
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2023-07-23 13:03:47	dandels	The setting is called "casesensitivity", not "casesensitive". Besides, case sensitivity is the default, so you don't need to set it.
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2023-07-23 13:04:13	dandels	(going by this man page https://linux.die.net/man/8/zfs)
2023-07-23 13:04:43	nerdsrawesome12	dandels, ah crap. So it's a typo then? How would I even fix that? I guess google time 
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2023-07-23 13:06:39	nerdsrawesome12	I could snapshot it and then create a new dataset 
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2023-07-23 13:08:04	dandels	i've never used zfs but that sounds awfully convoluted for changing a setting
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2023-07-23 13:09:33	nerdsrawesome12	dandels, yeah it does seems pretty awful. There might be a better way
2023-07-23 13:11:55	NetSysFire	Ennea: i did setup_dxvk but apparently that didnt work
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2023-07-23 13:26:03	nerdsrawesome12	Should I try installing the zfs-linux kernel instead of using the zfs-dkms and if so this is the error I am getting: "warning cannot resolve: linux=6.4.2.arch1-1 a dependency of zfs-linux"
2023-07-23 13:26:50	Namarrgon	you should probably use lts kernel if you want to go with dkms
2023-07-23 13:27:34	Namarrgon	zfs can't keep up with kernel release schedule and so can't the binary repos that provide only the precompiled modules
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2023-07-23 13:29:31	Ennea	NetSysFire, i see
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2023-07-23 13:33:03	nerdsrawesome12	So I can try uninstalling zfs-dkms and uninstalling linux and just go with linux-lts?
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2023-07-23 13:34:18	Namarrgon	you probably want to keep zfs-dkms, or where else do you want to get the modules from?
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2023-07-23 13:35:35	nerdsrawesome12	Namarrgon, hmm, you have a point. I did enable the systemd HOOK and this started to happen but before that I got "no avialable pools" and straight to kernel panic
2023-07-23 13:37:11	nerdsrawesome12	So my hooks are: HOOKS=(..... encrypt zfs systemd filesystem fsck) Are they in the right order?
2023-07-23 13:37:23	Namarrgon	is this your first arch install?
2023-07-23 13:38:05	nerdsrawesome12	No. It's been over a year since I installed arch linux 
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2023-07-23 13:38:38	Namarrgon	read up the 'systemd' hook then, this is not how this works
2023-07-23 13:38:38	nerdsrawesome12	I probably have forgotten a lot 
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2023-07-23 13:39:19	nerdsrawesome12	Ah okay 
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2023-07-23 13:41:45	nerdsrawesome12	Namarrgon, yeah I absolutely agree that is not what i intended
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2023-07-23 13:43:56	WhiteNoise	hello :)
2023-07-23 13:45:04	mpan	Who is WhiteNoise?
2023-07-23 13:45:19	mpan	… no idea, sounds like not something noticeable!
2023-07-23 13:45:27	mpan	WhiteNoise: hello, how could we help you? :)
2023-07-23 13:45:40	Namarrgon	nerdsrawesome12: stick with the non-systemd hooks until you got it to boot properly, then you can 'optimize' it
2023-07-23 13:46:57	nerdsrawesome12	Sounds good 
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2023-07-23 13:49:31	nerdsrawesome12	It might work now, I am gonna reboot it and I also did this: zpool set cachefile=none zroot 
2023-07-23 13:50:11	nerdsrawesome12	Yeah, I am getting kernel panic 
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2023-07-23 13:51:41	nerdsrawesome12	Which isn't helpful which I am chrooting again 
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2023-07-23 13:55:27	omnigoat	Anyone had to extract and decompress the kernel out of vmlinuz-linux recently? github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/scripts/extract-vmlinux no longer works...
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2023-07-23 12:23:42	nerdsrawesome12	I think this might be an easy fix but I can't figure it out for some reason. The issue I am having is this: "Systemd-remount: zroot/ROOT/default cannot be mounted due to invalid option 'casesensetive' Use -s option to ignore the bad mount option." Is this good enough or would you perfer a log?
2023-07-23 12:25:39	Namarrgon	does zfs support that mount option?
2023-07-23 12:28:09	nerdsrawesome12	Namarrgon, yeah it does and it seems something to do with the properties. I don't know why I didn't think of just using zfs --help 
2023-07-23 12:28:56	Namarrgon	did you type that option correctly?
2023-07-23 12:32:17	nerdsrawesome12	Namarrgon, how would I check if I did? something like zfs get all zroot/ROOT/default ?
2023-07-23 12:32:44	Namarrgon	what does that return?
2023-07-23 12:34:03	nerdsrawesome12	Alot of properties. I just did this: zfs get all | grep "case" and it gave me this: zroot/ROOT/default casesensitivity sensitive - 
2023-07-23 12:37:54	nerdsrawesome12	Namarrgon, I also can't change the zroot/ROOT/default properties because casesensitivity is readonly 
2023-07-23 12:40:25	Namarrgon	find out what is trying to change it and club it
2023-07-23 12:42:21	nerdsrawesome12	Namarrgon, how would I do that exactly? 
2023-07-23 12:42:45	Namarrgon	did you create the pools yourself?
2023-07-23 12:43:01	Namarrgon	and is this arch linux?
2023-07-23 12:44:32	nerdsrawesome12	Yeah I created them from scratch and yes this is arch linux. I have literally everything done correctly I think such as I have my bpool, my efi partition and my zroot 
2023-07-23 12:45:12	nerdsrawesome12	I keep forgetting to ping you Namarrgon 
2023-07-23 12:45:13	Earnestly	casesensitivity vs. casesensetive?
2023-07-23 12:45:52	Earnestly	senset vs. sensit?
2023-07-23 12:46:21	nerdsrawesome12	Still kind of new with zfs, but I am glad that I've gotten this far with it. All I need is to somehow fix this error and I should be able to enter my luks pass, and everything should get mounted 
2023-07-23 12:46:28	Earnestly	Seems the first suggestion of spelling it correctly was the issue
2023-07-23 12:47:54	nerdsrawesome12	Earnestly, it should be spelled correctly. Then again, I do have zfs-mount and systemd-remount running at the same time which could be the issue 
2023-07-23 12:49:41	Earnestly	It's not spelled correctly in the error message you posted to the channel, that's all I can go on
2023-07-23 12:51:05	nerdsrawesome12	Oh, I see what you mean. Sorry the words are really small. It should be spelled correctly. I'll upload the log just in case 
2023-07-23 12:58:05	nerdsrawesome12	Or I need better glasses lol. Here's the log: https://bpa.st/O5IQ And I think I found the issue: " filesystem 'zroot/ROOT/default' cannot be mounted due to invalid option 'casesensitive'." lol 
2023-07-23 12:58:06	phrik	Title: View paste O5IQ (at bpa.st)
2023-07-23 13:00:02	nerdsrawesome12	Oh so the feature casesensitivity isn't supported by GRUB?
2023-07-23 13:01:56	Namarrgon	/boot is on the encrypted zfs pool?
2023-07-23 13:02:42	nerdsrawesome12	Namarrgon,  Yeah it is. I have my bpool mounted to /boot and my / is encrytped with luks 
2023-07-23 13:03:47	dandels	The setting is called "casesensitivity", not "casesensitive". Besides, case sensitivity is the default, so you don't need to set it.
2023-07-23 13:04:13	dandels	(going by this man page https://linux.die.net/man/8/zfs)
2023-07-23 13:04:43	nerdsrawesome12	dandels, ah crap. So it's a typo then? How would I even fix that? I guess google time 
2023-07-23 13:06:39	nerdsrawesome12	I could snapshot it and then create a new dataset 
2023-07-23 13:08:04	dandels	i've never used zfs but that sounds awfully convoluted for changing a setting
2023-07-23 13:09:33	nerdsrawesome12	dandels, yeah it does seems pretty awful. There might be a better way
2023-07-23 13:11:54	NetSysFire	Ennea: i did setup_dxvk but apparently that didnt work
2023-07-23 13:26:03	nerdsrawesome12	Should I try installing the zfs-linux kernel instead of using the zfs-dkms and if so this is the error I am getting: "warning cannot resolve: linux=6.4.2.arch1-1 a dependency of zfs-linux"
2023-07-23 13:26:50	Namarrgon	you should probably use lts kernel if you want to go with dkms
2023-07-23 13:27:34	Namarrgon	zfs can't keep up with kernel release schedule and so can't the binary repos that provide only the precompiled modules
2023-07-23 13:29:31	Ennea	NetSysFire, i see
2023-07-23 13:33:03	nerdsrawesome12	So I can try uninstalling zfs-dkms and uninstalling linux and just go with linux-lts?
2023-07-23 13:34:18	Namarrgon	you probably want to keep zfs-dkms, or where else do you want to get the modules from?
2023-07-23 13:35:35	nerdsrawesome12	Namarrgon, hmm, you have a point. I did enable the systemd HOOK and this started to happen but before that I got "no avialable pools" and straight to kernel panic
2023-07-23 13:37:11	nerdsrawesome12	So my hooks are: HOOKS=(..... encrypt zfs systemd filesystem fsck) Are they in the right order?
2023-07-23 13:37:23	Namarrgon	is this your first arch install?
2023-07-23 13:38:05	nerdsrawesome12	No. It's been over a year since I installed arch linux 
2023-07-23 13:38:38	Namarrgon	read up the 'systemd' hook then, this is not how this works
2023-07-23 13:38:38	nerdsrawesome12	I probably have forgotten a lot 
2023-07-23 13:39:19	nerdsrawesome12	Ah okay 
2023-07-23 13:41:45	nerdsrawesome12	Namarrgon, yeah I absolutely agree that is not what i intended
2023-07-23 13:43:56	WhiteNoise	hello :)
2023-07-23 13:45:04	mpan	Who is WhiteNoise?
2023-07-23 13:45:19	mpan	… no idea, sounds like not something noticeable!
2023-07-23 13:45:27	mpan	WhiteNoise: hello, how could we help you? :)
2023-07-23 13:45:40	Namarrgon	nerdsrawesome12: stick with the non-systemd hooks until you got it to boot properly, then you can 'optimize' it
2023-07-23 13:46:57	nerdsrawesome12	Sounds good 
2023-07-23 13:49:31	nerdsrawesome12	It might work now, I am gonna reboot it and I also did this: zpool set cachefile=none zroot 
2023-07-23 13:50:11	nerdsrawesome12	Yeah, I am getting kernel panic 
2023-07-23 13:51:41	nerdsrawesome12	Which isn't helpful which I am chrooting again 
2023-07-23 13:55:27	omnigoat	Anyone had to extract and decompress the kernel out of vmlinuz-linux recently? github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/scripts/extract-vmlinux no longer works...
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2023-07-23 14:01:05	omnigoat	And now it does. ffs, nvm.
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2023-07-25 20:30:11	powftw	How to fix a broken fs or packages? Reinstalling broken package with Pacman -Qkk doesn't help 
2023-07-25 20:31:10	powftw	https://bpa.st/5L7Q
2023-07-25 20:31:11	phrik	Title: View paste 5L7Q (at bpa.st)
2023-07-25 20:32:03	mefistofeles	powftw: what broken package? And why do you say it's broken?
2023-07-25 20:33:28	powftw	Is is what MrElendig: said yesterday 
2023-07-25 20:33:32	powftw	 <MrElendig> and it looks like the pacman db is fucked since it doesn't list those broken qt files
2023-07-25 20:33:54	mefistofeles	I don't know the context, sorry
2023-07-25 20:34:04	mefistofeles	if you want help you probably need to repeat a lot of that
2023-07-25 20:34:14	powftw	Okay, I will 
2023-07-25 20:34:19	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-07-25 20:36:26	powftw	For example, whenever i open anything. Say pavucontrol, it won't open
2023-07-25 20:36:29	powftw	pavucontrol: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libtdb.so.1: file too short
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2023-07-25 20:37:03	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/b8ogjpsC/
2023-07-25 20:37:05	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2023-07-25 20:37:35	powftw	Firefox will take around 15 seconds to showup where it only took 2 seconds before
2023-07-25 20:37:56	powftw	obs: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libQt6Widgets.so.6: file too short
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2023-07-25 20:38:04	powftw	Cannot open OBS
2023-07-25 20:38:18	powftw	thunar
2023-07-25 20:38:18	powftw	Gtk-Message: 00:08:06.125: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"
2023-07-25 20:38:23	mefistofeles	oh :/ I see, wow, yeah, that seems like something went really wrong while installin/upgrading
2023-07-25 20:38:39	powftw	Thunar file manager will take also arounf 15 seconds to showup
2023-07-25 20:38:49	powftw	where it only took 1 second or so
2023-07-25 20:39:06	powftw	Chromium works well
2023-07-25 20:39:15	powftw	Most tools are broken
2023-07-25 20:39:19	powftw	some works
2023-07-25 20:39:26	powftw	mefistofeles: how can we fix?
2023-07-25 20:39:49	powftw	and how do you know something went really wrong?
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2023-07-25 20:40:10	mefistofeles	powftw: ok, so what's the output of `pacman -Qkk 2>&1 | grep -Fv '0 altered files'` ?
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2023-07-25 20:40:29	mefistofeles	powftw: well, my suspicious, since files seem to be corrupted
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2023-07-25 20:43:39	powftw	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/EWR3KlB1/altered_files.txt
2023-07-25 20:43:44	powftw	here is it
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2023-07-25 20:43:57	powftw	wait! I'll paste it
2023-07-25 20:45:08	powftw	https://pastebin.com/wwMmPTu6
2023-07-25 20:45:08	phrik	Title: warning: code: /usr/lib/code/product.json (Modification time mismatch)warning: - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-07-25 20:45:09	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HeEE.txt
2023-07-25 20:45:14	powftw	mefistofeles: 
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2023-07-25 20:46:44	mefistofeles	powftw: did pacman crashed during an upgrade or something? What happens if you try upgrading?
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2023-07-25 20:47:18	mefistofeles	powftw: if -Syu doesn't solve it, I guess you would need to manually reinstall all the packages there, in the pastebin
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2023-07-25 20:48:34	powftw	I think everything started to happen last week. I'll paste those messages
2023-07-25 20:48:59	powftw	 I've been noticing a display flickering from last few days.. right now I was just updating my packages and this happened 👇
2023-07-25 20:48:59	powftw	9:26 PM 
2023-07-25 20:48:59	powftw	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Ofh7Xv3y/Stuckat-boot.mp4
2023-07-25 20:48:59	powftw	Stuckat-boot.mp413.23MB • video/mp4
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2023-07-25 20:49:10	powftw	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/f01JKxF7/screen_flickering.mp4
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2023-07-25 20:49:33	powftw	mefistofeles: -Syu did not solve it
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2023-07-25 20:50:25	powftw	mefistofeles: which packages do i need to reinstall?
2023-07-25 20:51:02	mefistofeles	powftw: wait, so you don't even have a bootable system? I'm lost
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2023-07-25 20:51:49	powftw	i fixed it few days back by regenerating the initrd. I meant to say everything happend in last week
2023-07-25 20:51:55	powftw	idk what went wrong!
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2023-07-25 20:52:55	brocellous	I'm copying my system from one nvme to a faster one. Both are mounted in different m.2 slots on the machine.
2023-07-25 20:52:58	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/gtOq61b9/
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2023-07-25 20:53:15	brocellous	If I copy over the ESP, might there be any trouble with having two ESP temporarily?
2023-07-25 20:53:39	brocellous	is there a way I can tell from my booted system which ESP has priority?
2023-07-25 20:53:40	mefistofeles	powftw: ok, so, I guess at least reinstalling the packages that are associated with that `no mtree file` message in your pastebin
2023-07-25 20:54:00	mefistofeles	powftw: it sounds like your system crashed or something when doing an upgrade
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2023-07-25 20:58:44	powftw	mefistofeles: 
2023-07-25 20:58:46	powftw	https://pastebin.com/Cf9dKjN4
2023-07-25 20:58:46	phrik	Title: sudo pacman -S qt6-basewarning: qt6-base-6.5.2-1 is up to date -- reinstalling - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-07-25 20:58:47	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HeEd.txt
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2023-07-25 20:59:20	powftw	see what happend when i tried to install qt6-base which has "no mtree file"
2023-07-25 20:59:57	mefistofeles	powftw: I want to say to force it, but not 100% sure
2023-07-25 21:00:00	mikey	hello. why are updates for linux, linux-headers everyday? just curious. 
2023-07-25 21:00:05	mefistofeles	force it such that it overwrites the files
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2023-07-25 21:00:24	powftw	are you 90% sure?
2023-07-25 21:00:25	mefistofeles	mikey: because new versions/builds get released frequently, I wouldn't say it's every day, though
2023-07-25 21:00:31	mefistofeles	powftw: 88% sure :P
2023-07-25 21:00:37	mefistofeles	88.5% actually
2023-07-25 21:00:45	mikey	I had two is past 24 hours. 
2023-07-25 21:00:57	mefistofeles	mikey: yes, that doesn't mean it's always like that, but sure, it can happen
2023-07-25 21:01:09	mikey	okay
2023-07-25 21:01:14	mikey	ty
2023-07-25 21:02:55	powftw	mefistofeles: # pacman -S --asdeps package_name
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2023-07-25 21:03:01	powftw	do you meant this?
2023-07-25 21:03:04	mefistofeles	powftw: no
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2023-07-25 21:03:59	mefistofeles	powftw: using --overwrite
2023-07-25 21:04:03	mefistofeles	is what I mean
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2023-07-25 21:06:27	powftw	pacman -S --overwrite glob qt6-base 
2023-07-25 21:06:30	powftw	right?
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2023-07-25 21:07:39	mefistofeles	powftw: why glob?
2023-07-25 21:08:20	powftw	what could be it?
2023-07-25 21:08:35	mefistofeles	it needs a file path pattern
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2023-07-25 21:09:55	MrElendig	-S --dbonly and then -S might also work
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2023-07-25 21:11:50	Janhouse	Is the amd-ucode up to date then or not? It was flagged, but got unflagged. The news said that there is an update up-stream but repo says it is `20230625`
2023-07-25 21:11:59	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/4H0WAw2Z/
2023-07-25 21:12:01	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
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2023-07-25 21:12:16	powftw	MrElendig: that seems to have installed it
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2023-07-25 21:12:53	MrElendig	Janhouse: easy to check yourself against upstream
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2023-07-25 21:13:45	MrElendig	also core/any/amd-ucode  0:20230625.ee91452d-5
2023-07-25 21:13:47	MrElendig	  Updated: 2023-07-25T11:48:55.483Z  Built: 2023-07-25T07:24:45Z
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2023-07-25 21:14:26	MrElendig	the bit after the . is the short commit from the git repo
2023-07-25 21:14:44	lolok	the new kernel update is causing crashes?
2023-07-25 21:15:20	powftw	MrElendig: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/4H0WAw2Z/
2023-07-25 21:15:22	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
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2023-07-25 21:16:08	MrElendig	Janhouse: and https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/linux-firmware/-/commit/0d74d2a4e031d2d6ea6d47a9bfcfe939bb9b43d4
2023-07-25 21:16:10	phrik	Title: upgpkg: 20230625.ee91452d-5 (0d74d2a4) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / linux-firmware · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-07-25 21:16:29	powftw	still wat is this thing with the shared li. pavucontrol: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libtdb.so.1: file too short
2023-07-25 21:16:53	Janhouse	MrElendig, seems up to date with kernel tags, but then I am a bit puzzled since media yesterday wrote that there is a new CVE, someone already named it "zenbleed" and suggested to upgrade microcode asap, but that hasn't been changed then.
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2023-07-25 21:17:21	mefistofeles	powftw: right, you need to do the same with the other packages that I mentioned
2023-07-25 21:17:27	mefistofeles	qt6-base is not the only one
2023-07-25 21:18:14	◣	levitating (~irc@user/levitating) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2023-07-25 21:18:25	MrElendig	Janhouse: unless you have one of a few certain epyc chips, the ucode doesn't include the fix
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2023-07-25 21:18:41	MrElendig	Janhouse: also, the bug is not that much of a problem on a single user system
2023-07-25 21:19:27	powftw	mefistofeles: what should be the path for --overwrite arg for qt6-base
2023-07-25 21:19:30	MrElendig	Janhouse: workaround is being added to the kernel for now until amd "fixes" it in ucode for all devices. Also see the writeup at https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/07/encryption-breaking-password-leaking-bug-in-many-amd-cpus-could-take-months-to-fix/
2023-07-25 21:19:31	phrik	Title: Encryption-breaking, password-leaking bug in many AMD CPUs could take months to fix | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com)
2023-07-25 21:19:43	Sout_	https://lock.cmpxchg8b.com/zenbleed.html <-- the technical write up
2023-07-25 21:19:45	phrik	Title: Zenbleed (at lock.cmpxchg8b.com)
2023-07-25 21:20:17	Janhouse	MrElendig, I am not too worried but I might have some ports exposed to the internet so was wondering how should I approach it.
2023-07-25 21:20:36	mefistofeles	powftw: apparently you don't need to use overwrite, as you showed by using just -S
2023-07-25 21:20:46	mefistofeles	so just do the same with the other packages
2023-07-25 21:21:11	MrElendig	Janhouse: unless you allow the attacker to run arbitary code on your system its a non-issue
2023-07-25 21:21:22	MrElendig	Janhouse: and at that point you probably have bigger issues anyway
2023-07-25 21:21:38	powftw	mefistofeles: thats by adding --dbbonly and then use -S
2023-07-25 21:22:10	MrElendig	Janhouse: though arbitary code execution does include js/wasm/etc in your browser..
2023-07-25 21:22:11	◥	eirik (~eirik@84.211.199.226) has joined #archlinux
2023-07-25 21:22:31	MrElendig	your browser is generally much more dangerous than any services you might be running
2023-07-25 21:22:44	Sout_	and the microcode that was released for the servers.
2023-07-25 21:22:57	MrElendig	Sout_: for one serie or rome chips only
2023-07-25 21:23:23	◣	levitating (~irc@user/levitating) ha salido (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2023-07-25 21:23:45	Sout_	yeah but will servers really have threadrippers?(I thought that was mostly high end desktops)
2023-07-25 21:23:57	Janhouse	MrElendig,  I did not read much into the bug itself, but since the name they went for was "zenbleed", and I remember heartbleed, which was widely exploited without the need to have code exec (through Apache), I thought I should check if there are patches. :) Also it is worse if I use browser with that vuln. Thanks for the info!
2023-07-25 21:24:23	Janhouse	*not apache but openssl
2023-07-25 21:25:05	MrElendig	Janhouse: and as mentioned, workaround is in kernel 6.4.6
2023-07-25 21:25:26	Janhouse	Yes, thank you!
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2023-07-25 21:25:44	MrElendig	(together with the updated amd-ucode)
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2023-07-25 21:26:16	MrElendig	https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/2023072445-clad-bouncy-0628@gregkh/
2023-07-25 21:26:17	phrik	Title: Linux 6.4.6 - Greg Kroah-Hartman (at lore.kernel.org)
2023-07-25 21:26:39	powftw	mefistofeles: https://pastebin.com/wwMmPTu6 line 678,679,680,681,683,699,707,708,709,710
2023-07-25 21:26:40	phrik	Title: warning: code: /usr/lib/code/product.json (Modification time mismatch)warning: - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-07-25 21:26:40	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HeEE.txt
2023-07-25 21:26:44	powftw	all installed
2023-07-25 21:27:03	powftw	ran --dbonly first and then installed with -S
2023-07-25 21:27:21	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/IEquL3oE/
2023-07-25 21:27:22	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2023-07-25 21:27:31	MrElendig	product.json is probably because you modified it to enable the ms store
2023-07-25 21:27:32	powftw	still has ldcofig warnings
2023-07-25 21:27:47	powftw	mefistofeles: 
2023-07-25 21:27:53	Namarrgon	powftw: reinstall the packages that own the empty files
2023-07-25 21:28:00	Namarrgon	or just reinstall everything
2023-07-25 21:28:06	brocellous	Ugh this is confusing me once again. If cryptsetup benchmark indicates that aes-xts 256b is faster than aes-xts 512b on this machine, do I use --key-size=256 or --key-size=512 when formatting considering that "key size iwth xts mode will be doubled"?
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2023-07-25 21:28:20	powftw	Namarrgon: how do you reinstalling everything?
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2023-07-25 21:28:40	Namarrgon	pacman -Qqn 
2023-07-25 21:28:45	Namarrgon	pipe it back into pacman -S
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2023-07-25 21:33:04	powftw	Namarrgon: Error while upgrading: https://pastebin.com/vJARGHrW
2023-07-25 21:33:05	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/He6T.txt
2023-07-25 21:33:06	phrik	Title: pacman -Qqn | sudo pacman -S -warning: aalib-1.4rc5-17 is up to date -- reins - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2023-07-25 21:33:45	susi	how I'd get the chip names for `sensors -s'
2023-07-25 21:33:46	Namarrgon	you have to give it the same --dbonly treatment, or let pacman overwrite the existing orphans
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2023-07-25 21:34:16	MrElendig	and uninstall systemd-sysvcompat
2023-07-25 21:34:19	MrElendig	probably
2023-07-25 21:34:41	Namarrgon	if you don't want to init symlink, sure :P
2023-07-25 21:34:45	powftw	"let pacman overwrite the existing orphans" << is this the easier way?
2023-07-25 21:35:00	◣	rv1sr (~rv1sr@user/rv1sr) ha salido
2023-07-25 21:35:11	Namarrgon	it's the faster way but if you're not careful you might overwrite something that shouldn't be
2023-07-25 21:35:28	Namarrgon	apply selectively
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2023-07-25 21:36:05	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ZGuoSHxY/
2023-07-25 21:36:07	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
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2023-07-25 21:36:15	powftw	pacman -Qqn  | sudo pacman -S --dbonly -
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2023-07-25 21:36:23	powftw	output of this command pasted above
2023-07-25 21:36:37	Namarrgon	now run it again without --dbonly
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2023-07-25 21:39:07	powftw	done!
2023-07-25 21:39:08	powftw	now?
2023-07-25 21:39:29	powftw	lemme reboot and comeback
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2023-07-25 21:39:33	Namarrgon	now -Qkk should be much cleaner
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2023-07-25 21:42:11	powftw	ahhhhhh!! i can already experience the difference. FF took 15 seconds now opens in 1s. Pavucontrol and QT things works
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2023-07-25 21:43:02	powftw	https://bpa.st/O4YA
2023-07-25 21:43:03	phrik	Title: View paste O4YA (at bpa.st)
2023-07-25 21:43:14	powftw	Namarrgon: above is the -Qkk output now
2023-07-25 21:43:54	◣	feriman (~feriman@user/feriman) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2023-07-25 21:44:02	powftw	From line 616 to 720 i see missmatches
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2023-07-25 21:44:56	Namarrgon	looks okay
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2023-07-25 21:45:37	Namarrgon	make sure to rebuild/reinstall the foreign packages, too
2023-07-25 21:46:52	powftw	which are foreign packages?
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2023-07-25 21:47:09	powftw	i dont understand
2023-07-25 21:47:12	MrElendig	things not in the stock archlinux repos
2023-07-25 21:47:20	MrElendig	typical things you got from aur
2023-07-25 21:47:40	teraflops	-Qm ones
2023-07-25 21:48:04	Namarrgon	that and whatever you installed manually or with language-specific package managers
2023-07-25 21:49:14	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/SgyELf83/
2023-07-25 21:49:15	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2023-07-25 21:49:32	◣	levitating (~irc@user/levitating) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2023-07-25 21:49:40	powftw	these are those. but these are from aur, how do i run db only flag?
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2023-07-25 21:50:02	Namarrgon	those aren't all from the AUR
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2023-07-25 21:50:17	Namarrgon	did you accidentally disable the [multilib] repo?
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2023-07-25 21:51:05	powftw	when i see /etc/pacman.conf its disabled
2023-07-25 21:51:09	powftw	i did not disable it
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2023-07-25 21:51:22	powftw	should it be uncommented?
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2023-07-25 21:51:27	Namarrgon	is this some converted arch spin?
2023-07-25 21:51:40	zareem	Hi! i got a wierd issue on one of the kids laptops, it is running latest arch with xfce. everything is running super smooth except for pamac-manager, it takes 30-60 to start every single time, i cant really figure it out, i have changed the mirrorlist to use swedish mirrors without any change, anyone got some pointers to check?
2023-07-25 21:51:42	MrElendig	did you cp whatever.pacnew whatever ?
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2023-07-25 21:52:05	powftw	MrElendig: to me?
2023-07-25 21:52:25	teraflops	yes
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2023-07-25 21:52:39	MrElendig	zareem: cat /etc/*-release | curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs   and give us the url please
2023-07-25 21:52:40	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2023-07-25 21:52:41	powftw	nope! i did run some reflector commands last week i remember
2023-07-25 21:52:45	powftw	before this issue
2023-07-25 21:52:50	powftw	would that do it?
2023-07-25 21:52:51	MrElendig	powftw: reflector doesn't edit pacman.conf
2023-07-25 21:53:06	powftw	then i never did anything i believe
2023-07-25 21:53:21	powftw	enable multilib?
2023-07-25 21:53:26	Namarrgon	you somehow did install multilib packages
2023-07-25 21:53:48	powftw	how can that happen? idk!
2023-07-25 21:53:59	zareem	MrElendig https://paste.rs/FJ2KA 
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2023-07-25 21:54:42	MrElendig	zareem: I would poke the pamac devs about it
2023-07-25 21:54:57	powftw	MrElendig: what do you sugest me do? 
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2023-07-25 21:55:01	powftw	Namarrgon: 
2023-07-25 21:55:11	powftw	pacman -Qmq  | yay -S --dbonly - << will this help?
2023-07-25 21:55:17	MrElendig	powftw: do you need to run 32 bit apps?
2023-07-25 21:55:22	zareem	MrElendig ok, will try that, only warning i get when launching from console is some gtk.css warning
2023-07-25 21:55:26	Namarrgon	if you don't need these packages then remove them
2023-07-25 21:55:32	powftw	MrElendig: never!! why would i?
2023-07-25 21:55:40	MrElendig	powftw: then remove them
2023-07-25 21:55:50	powftw	which are "them"
2023-07-25 21:56:04	powftw	lib32-*
2023-07-25 21:56:05	powftw	?
2023-07-25 21:56:07	MrElendig	yes
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2023-07-25 21:56:14	mpan	zareem: also, see the journal for any signs of $something timing out. The time seems strangely similar to what would be expected for connection timeouts while trying to communicate with some local service.
2023-07-25 21:56:14	susi	but let me be honest; do we even need more than 32 bits?
2023-07-25 21:56:35	MrElendig	susi: 7 bits are enough for anyone
2023-07-25 21:56:38	MrElendig	-- ibm
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2023-07-25 21:56:52	teraflops	I'm ok with 32 beers
2023-07-25 21:57:02	powftw	pacman -Qmq | grep 'lib32*' | sudo pacman -R -
2023-07-25 21:57:07	powftw	looks okay?
2023-07-25 21:57:13	powftw	should i use -Rns ?
2023-07-25 21:57:14	susi	pacman -Qs 32
2023-07-25 21:57:29	susi	lib32*
2023-07-25 21:57:41	susi	not commenting on that pipeline
2023-07-25 21:57:54	MrElendig	back from the days of paper tape etc
2023-07-25 21:58:24	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/jYdKxueX/
2023-07-25 21:58:25	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2023-07-25 21:58:33	powftw	MrElendig: done!
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2023-07-25 22:00:18	MrElendig	susi: also see pdp-10
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2023-07-25 22:02:26	zareem	mpan savior! i checked abit and it was complaining about xdg-desktop-portal-gnome timeing out, installed it and now it opens instant
2023-07-25 22:03:38	powftw	MrElendig: and Namarrgon: and mefistofeles: Thanks a lot guys. You helped a lot
2023-07-25 22:03:55	powftw	But can someone tell me how --dbonly does the magic
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2023-07-25 22:05:14	MrElendig	it pretends to install the package(s), but only fills out the db, so that the files in question is "owned" again by the package(s)
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2023-07-25 22:05:17	mpan	zareem: note that MrElendig’s advice, regarding talking to pamac devs, is still current. It should either fail gracefully and quickly, or give the user a clear option to not use the service.
2023-07-25 22:05:41	MrElendig	and then you reinstall the package again without --dbonly to actually overwrite the (damaged) files
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2023-07-25 22:05:55	mefistofeles	MrElendig: ah nice, I didn't know that was an option, cool!
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2023-07-25 22:09:08	powftw	So we populte the db with the updated version and then install it? Which then over writes existing packages files too 
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2023-07-25 22:09:54	MrElendig	to work around pacman refusing to overwrite files its not tracking
2023-07-25 22:10:22	MrElendig	yes
2023-07-25 22:10:39	susi	do we already know the reason for this xdg-desktop-portal* conflict?
2023-07-25 22:10:46	zareem	mpan yea, it got slow again, purged the package and now its fast again with no complaints... WIERD.
2023-07-25 22:10:47	MacGyver	What conflict?
2023-07-25 22:10:52	powftw	This is such a cool thing. I could have saved hours and days if I knew this 
2023-07-25 22:11:10	Namarrgon	powftw: run pacreport and let it check for orphaned files
2023-07-25 22:11:10	powftw	Thanks again MrElendig:
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2023-07-25 22:11:58	Namarrgon	the risk with --dbonly is that you you also perform an upgrade at the same time while reinstalling the packages, which may leave old files around
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2023-07-25 22:12:19	powftw	Namarrgon: what do we do then?
2023-07-25 22:12:27	MrElendig	selective use of --overwrite is generally better due to ^
2023-07-25 22:12:27	Namarrgon	we clean up
2023-07-25 22:12:55	MrElendig	though it has some of the same issues
2023-07-25 22:12:57	powftw	How can I clean it up
2023-07-25 22:13:14	Namarrgon	you remove the unowned files
2023-07-25 22:13:24	powftw	Manually?
2023-07-25 22:13:32	Namarrgon	how many are there?
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2023-07-25 22:17:10	powftw	https://bpa.st/3WZQ
2023-07-25 22:17:11	phrik	Title: View paste 3WZQ (at bpa.st)
2023-07-25 22:17:12	powftw	Namarrgon: 
2023-07-25 22:18:56	Namarrgon	is that with --unowned-files?
2023-07-25 22:19:04	powftw	oops! sorry!
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2023-07-25 22:21:05	powftw	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/7vzBQFAN/
2023-07-25 22:21:06	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
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2023-07-25 22:21:11	powftw	this is a lot!!
2023-07-25 22:21:35	roxlu	ok so after rebooting I had to reset my refind configs somehow as the windows boot menu suddenly took over :) 
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2023-07-25 22:21:44	powftw	but this includes imp sys files
2023-07-25 22:22:04	powftw	Namarrgon: what do you suggest?
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2023-07-25 22:22:31	roxlu	but also interesting ... I've to 2 monitors and suddenly my other monitor is the "default" monitor; i.e. the one which shows the "start" message when you turn on the PC. Does someone knows how I can switch the default monitor again? (I couldn't find an obivous setting in the bios)
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2023-07-25 22:23:11	MrElendig	roxlu: you can use the video= option to the kernel
2023-07-25 22:23:17	MrElendig	with some gotchas
2023-07-25 22:24:35	roxlu	MrElendig: thanks! though this is also the boot loader which appears on my other monitor
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2023-07-25 22:27:59	MrElendig	roxlu: basically nothing you can do about that except switch cables
2023-07-25 22:28:40	roxlu	MrElendig: yeah I thought so. Interesting that it worked fine earlier tdoay
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2023-07-25 22:29:44	Namarrgon	powftw: most of it seems to be just configs, caches etc
2023-07-25 22:29:47	MrElendig	roxlu: if both displays are hooked to the same card, eg a firmware/vbios update can cause it
2023-07-25 22:30:06	MrElendig	for multiple cards, you might be able to set the order in the uefi
2023-07-25 22:30:17	Namarrgon	and a lot of pacnews that may already have been merged, or not
2023-07-25 22:30:29	roxlu	MrElendig: ah I see. it's also interesting that previously my custom bootloader image looked fine and now I'm seeing interpolation/scaling artefacts
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2023-07-25 22:30:54	MrElendig	roxlu: just booting with one monitor turned off can also cause it, specially if using hdmi
2023-07-25 22:32:01	roxlu	MrElendig: I'm now testing if disconnecting the DP helps. I've got one DP and one hdmi
2023-07-25 22:32:29	MrElendig	the "primary" port on most gfx cards is usually dp1
2023-07-25 22:32:56	roxlu	ah ok thanks, good to know. that's indeed what I'm seeing
2023-07-25 22:33:10	MrElendig	sidenote: some cards only really have dp, hdmi is converted from it
2023-07-25 22:33:26	MrElendig	makes the gpu design easier
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2023-07-25 22:33:35	MrElendig	or rather, simpler
2023-07-25 22:33:55	roxlu	ah interesting
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2023-07-27 00:24:01	za3k	These are all good suggestions but I'd like to figure out "why the difference" first, in case there's something wrong with my system :)
2023-07-27 00:24:18	Namarrgon	difference in what?
2023-07-27 00:24:32	Namarrgon	is your friend using the same hard- and software?
2023-07-27 00:24:37	za3k	Like I said, my friend ran the same command and can't reproduce the freeze
2023-07-27 00:24:58	za3k	Software, essentially. xfs is place of ext
2023-07-27 00:25:08	za3k	But he's also on arch, used the exact same command, etc
2023-07-27 00:25:23	Namarrgon	there's the difference then
2023-07-27 00:25:31	za3k	Hardware--comparable? Obviously not identical, but M.2 SSD and a reasonably beefy desktop
2023-07-27 00:26:01	za3k	Sure, could be xfs vs ext
2023-07-27 00:28:59	dagle	11 year olds should not watch the Oppenheimer movie.
2023-07-27 00:45:19	za3k	fstrim tentatively seems to have helped
2023-07-27 00:47:41	za3k	which is a shame, there are some security problems there with luks, but I think not so bad
2023-07-27 00:54:59	MacGyver	za3k: Those security "problems" are vastly overstated.
2023-07-27 00:56:26	MacGyver	za3k: Plausible deniability isn't plausible; and an attacker that gets *useful* information from the usage pattern of your disk is hypothetical at best.
2023-07-27 02:09:58	aruncs	hey why can't i mount ntfs in arch?
2023-07-27 02:10:43	sheep	what command did you use to mount it?
2023-07-27 02:11:06	aruncs	"mount /dev/sdxx path"
2023-07-27 02:11:25	sheep	did you try mount -t ntfs3 /dev/sdxx path?
2023-07-27 02:11:41	aruncs	the error was "unknown filesystem type 'ntfs'" .  
2023-07-27 02:11:57	Edu4rdSHL	!give aruncs kernelcheck
2023-07-27 02:11:58	phrik	aruncs: compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2023-07-27 02:12:11	sheep	I'm not sure if the kernel handles automatically detecting that a filesystem needs the ntfs3 driver yet
2023-07-27 02:12:13	aruncs	sheep: hey that worked 
2023-07-27 02:12:22	sheep	which is why I suggested -t ntfs3
2023-07-27 02:12:36	sheep	there's also an old read-only ntfs driver, but the ntfs3 driver is read-write
2023-07-27 02:13:33	aruncs	Edu4rdSHL: it does not give anything usefull the "dmesg"
2023-07-27 02:13:52	Edu4rdSHL	What
2023-07-27 02:14:13	Edu4rdSHL	What are you talking about
2023-07-27 02:14:18	aruncs	i indeed check the kernal messeges but not found anything usefull
2023-07-27 02:14:38	susi	!give aruncs kernelcheck
2023-07-27 02:14:38	phrik	aruncs: compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2023-07-27 02:14:40	Edu4rdSHL	That command doesn't tell you to check any kernel messages
2023-07-27 02:14:59	nerdsrawesome12	So I am using these HOOKS: https://bpa.st.NUSQ and when I reboot I would get this error: Failed to mount /sysroot. I viewed my boot logs: https://bpa.st/QBVA which I am getting this error because the zfs module is not being loaded in for some reason and I have no clue  
2023-07-27 02:15:00	phrik	Title: View paste QBVA (at bpa.st)
2023-07-27 02:15:00	aruncs	susi: ?
2023-07-27 02:15:17	Edu4rdSHL	aruncs, how do you installed Arch
2023-07-27 02:15:17	susi	aruncs: what?
2023-07-27 02:15:20	aruncs	phrik: it is same .
2023-07-27 02:15:20	phrik	aruncs: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
2023-07-27 02:15:37	aruncs	Edu4rdSHL: using arch wiki
2023-07-27 02:15:39	aruncs	?
2023-07-27 02:15:52	Edu4rdSHL	Ok, so, all the kernel versions matched?
2023-07-27 02:15:52	susi	aruncs: so you actually compared `uname -r' and `pacman -Q linux' ? 
2023-07-27 02:15:57	Edu4rdSHL	Give the output
2023-07-27 02:16:14	aruncs	phrik: what are us saying . anyway my issue is fixed
2023-07-27 02:16:14	phrik	aruncs: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
2023-07-27 02:16:26	Edu4rdSHL	!give aruncs bot
2023-07-27 02:16:27	phrik	aruncs: I'm a bot! ~does the binary solo~ 00001 000011 0000111
2023-07-27 02:16:35	nerdsrawesome12	Typo in link. Here is updated version: https://bpa.st/NUSQ
2023-07-27 02:16:35	phrik	Title: View paste NUSQ (at bpa.st)
2023-07-27 02:16:36	aruncs	?
2023-07-27 02:16:43	aruncs	what is happening? 
2023-07-27 02:17:00	Edu4rdSHL	You seems to no read, that's happening
2023-07-27 02:17:08	aruncs	do irc have bots ? 
2023-07-27 02:17:22	aruncs	how Edu4rdSHL /
2023-07-27 02:17:24	aruncs	?
2023-07-27 02:17:42	susi	nerdsrawesome12: have you removed that invalid mount option already?
2023-07-27 02:19:02	susi	nerdsrawesome12: or if that's just how systemd-remount-fs works... how's your entry in fstab? have you tried adding a rootdelay=.. kernel command line option?
2023-07-27 02:21:39	nerdsrawesome12	susi, yeah I tried removing it and still the same thing. 
2023-07-27 02:22:43	susi	it still whines about this option, even though you removed it?
2023-07-27 02:29:14	nerdsrawesome12	susi, no it's not. It doesn't show it complaining about it in the present logs 
2023-07-27 02:29:54	susi	maybe show the most recent logs
2023-07-27 02:31:33	brocellous	What's a good way to copy my ESP from one drive to another?
2023-07-27 02:32:39	brocellous	I've formatted the new drive and copied over my fs, and am now booted into that, just with the ESP from my orig drive.
2023-07-27 02:53:12	brocellous	seems to work
2023-07-27 02:54:16	brocellous	Strangely in my system firmware boot selection menu the old EFI is call simply "Linux Boot Menu" and the new one HDD1 something.
2023-07-27 02:54:54	MacGyver	It's probably just detecting the fallback loader on the HDD. In fact, they might both be entries to the same, *old*, ESP.
2023-07-27 03:55:09	pushrad	when i try to run clementine, i get clementine: error while loading shared libraries: libprotobuf.so.32: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2023-07-27 03:55:16	pushrad	what should i do? i already tried `sudo ldconfig`
2023-07-27 03:56:30	NetSysFire	are you sure that your system is fully up to date and not partially upgraded?
2023-07-27 03:58:58	pushrad	it's potentially partially upgraded, also some upgrades have been interrupted in the past. I'm running an -Syu right now jic
2023-07-27 04:05:41	tessamccan	dumdedo
2023-07-27 04:06:09	NetSysFire	!welcomerpg
2023-07-27 04:06:10	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2023-07-27 04:07:25	tessamccan	i fucked up by enabling wayland ! lol
2023-07-27 04:15:19	pushrad	ok i did an -Syu but clementine still exits with the same error
2023-07-27 04:15:45	NetSysFire	what does pacman -Qo clementine report?
2023-07-27 04:15:59	pushrad	/usr/bin/clementine is owned by clementine 1.4.0rc2-2
2023-07-27 04:16:19	pushrad	should i try a `pacman -S protobuf`?
2023-07-27 04:17:16	NetSysFire	oh its an aur package
2023-07-27 04:17:18	NetSysFire	rebuild it
2023-07-27 04:18:14	pushrad	oh didn't realize
2023-07-27 04:18:28	pushrad	is there a command that can be run that tells whether an installed package is from the AUR?
2023-07-27 04:18:45	NetSysFire	-Qm
2023-07-27 04:19:11	pushrad	that seems to just output the package name and version though?
2023-07-27 04:19:15	brocellous	Anyone know more about nvme than me know why I might observe these big changes in read speed: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2111847 ?
2023-07-27 04:19:16	phrik	Title: NVME unexpectedly low sequential read speed / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-07-27 04:19:39	pushrad	oh nevermind. thanks NetSysFire 
2023-07-27 04:21:59	tessamccan	li install yay on arch as then you can rebuild aur without much hassels 
2023-07-27 04:24:12	pushrad	yep, i use yay, thanks :) but i don't think we're allowed to talk about AUR helpers here
2023-07-27 04:24:32	tessamccan	lol yay yay yay
2023-07-27 04:25:17	NetSysFire	you can but they are explicitely unsupported and you are expected to know how to use makepkg
2023-07-27 04:26:21	tessamccan	any one should know how to use any linux command 
2023-07-27 04:26:45	NetSysFire	not any, but the tools you use
2023-07-27 05:09:14	pushrad	clementine runs now, thanks again NetSysFire!
2023-07-27 05:11:54	morf	morning 
2023-07-27 05:12:52	morf	i have a problem with usb tethering vs wifi tethering in linux... maybe you guys could have idea... my usb tethering goes 1mbit first then speed up a bit and starts dropping speed again... but wifi tethering goes full 4g speed as cell tower allows (40-60mbit) 
2023-07-27 05:13:00	morf	i can't find the damn problem i tried everything
2023-07-27 05:13:13	morf	in android and linux ... still same issue :( anybody any idea?
2023-07-27 05:14:46	morf	found ppl with same issue but no solution :( 
2023-07-27 05:16:29	morf	(no upload speed issue btw, which makes it even weirder)
2023-07-27 05:22:33	gehidore	probably something the provider is doing
2023-07-27 05:24:05	morf	gehidore: doesn't make sense... it's same provider in both cases they dunno if i use usb or wifi they just do 4g
2023-07-27 05:24:40	doctorboomfunk	hi patrons how may I check the integrity of a FS entirely?
2023-07-27 05:24:54	doctorboomfunk	I feel that there may be something peculiar going on with my system...
2023-07-27 05:24:54	morf	u know like fsck
2023-07-27 05:24:57	doctorboomfunk	no
2023-07-27 05:25:00	doctorboomfunk	not like that.
2023-07-27 05:25:05	morf	what then
2023-07-27 05:25:10	doctorboomfunk	I mean more software wise, like-
2023-07-27 05:25:19	morf	i literally does that
2023-07-27 05:25:35	doctorboomfunk	the to validate the integrity of the installed packages and etcetcetc
2023-07-27 05:25:43	doctorboomfunk	I know pacman -Qk but ...
2023-07-27 05:26:03	gehidore	morf the phones do send different information to the provider based on what services they're using, USB tether and wifi tether can present differently
2023-07-27 05:26:23	morf	gehidore: i don't think that's true but nice theory 
2023-07-27 05:26:34	morf	doctorboomfunk: i see... looking for stuff that's not suppose to be there
2023-07-27 05:26:50	doctorboomfunk	huh?
2023-07-27 05:26:51	doctorboomfunk	look
2023-07-27 05:28:42	doctorboomfunk	or to actually just verify the legitimacy of the public keys used for confirming that packages are genuine, etc?
2023-07-27 05:28:45	doctorboomfunk	MrElendig, 
2023-07-27 05:29:00	doctorboomfunk	I know you are knowledgeable, haha.
2023-07-27 05:29:13	morf	packages are signed up aren't they
2023-07-27 05:29:17	morf	you can validate that
2023-07-27 05:29:20	doctorboomfunk	and I tried to pipe gnome through lolcat and then through cowsay, it worked alright.
2023-07-27 05:29:28	morf	but good luck with your confusion 
2023-07-27 05:30:34	OdairTrujillo	Hi guys, new in Arch
2023-07-27 05:31:00	gehidore	Hi
2023-07-27 05:34:33	gehidore	doctorboomfunk what is it you're actually trying to do?
2023-07-27 05:34:56	gehidore	good talk
2023-07-27 06:51:29	tessamccan	smartpone usb connection , dont be confused by a usbc port still connecting @ usb2 speeds 
2023-07-27 07:25:19	tessamccan	i was at uni lerning fpga's and became a goat manager  
2023-07-27 07:26:30	NetSysFire	!goat
2023-07-27 07:26:31	phrik	https://i.imgur.com/263enxT.jpg
2023-07-27 07:34:13	tessamccan	coffee time
2023-07-27 07:41:01	average	Does Arch offer a non-systemd variant?
2023-07-27 07:41:20	gehidore	no
2023-07-27 07:41:58	average	That’s a pity
2023-07-27 07:42:22	average	You know what Lennart Poettering does now?
2023-07-27 07:42:35	archdemon	pottery?
2023-07-27 07:42:42	average	He’s working for Microsoft, not on systemd or pulseaudio
2023-07-27 07:42:50	archdemon	poor guy
2023-07-27 07:43:51	⚡ 	archdemon hides
2023-07-27 07:44:39	gehidore	go weak troll elsewhere
2023-07-27 08:54:06	Aks	Ive been very happy with arch, all the programming tools are available, either in core/extra repos or in aur
2023-07-27 08:54:14	Aks	Thanks for the great distro!
2023-07-27 09:19:51	The-Compiler	agreed! Been using it for 13 years and still not tired of it :D
2023-07-27 09:23:18	akik	is somebody flooding irc?
2023-07-27 09:23:29	gehidore	possible
2023-07-27 09:23:35	gehidore	wasn't me
2023-07-27 09:23:44	akik	seen it on some channels
2023-07-27 09:23:55	bittin_guadec	good old netsplits
2023-07-27 09:24:21	gehidore	my favorite kind of splits
2023-07-27 09:25:03	akik	/links just shows one server is that normal?
2023-07-27 09:29:13	rcf	My plans to destroy IRC have worked!
2023-07-27 09:30:22	rj1	average: doesn't he work on systemd for Microsoft? 
2023-07-27 09:33:27	gehidore	rj1 don't feed the trolls
2023-07-27 09:43:58	tessamccan	Why not ?
2023-07-27 09:44:49	jl2	Hi, i'm puzzled why zsh won't read my config
2023-07-27 09:45:17	jl2	i've got a symlink from ~/.zshrc to .config/zsh/zshrc
2023-07-27 09:45:40	jl2	and from .config/zsh/.zshrc to .config/zsh/zshrc
2023-07-27 09:46:06	jl2	because the config sets the ZDOTDIR to .config/zsh/
2023-07-27 09:47:38	jl2	zsh doesn't prompt for creating the .zshrc file, so it somehow sees it
2023-07-27 09:47:56	tessamccan	Sounds strange re the links 
2023-07-27 09:48:12	jl2	remove the links?
2023-07-27 09:49:44	jl2	no, didn't do the trick
2023-07-27 09:50:43	jl2	the config used to work on my earlier arch install, so it isn't the file
2023-07-27 09:50:52	tessamccan	In theory  there will be a global config in /etc 
2023-07-27 09:51:40	tessamccan	And the user has a config in -/.config/blar
2023-07-27 09:52:50	jl2	find /etc | grep zsh:
2023-07-27 09:53:13	jl2	 /etc/zsh
2023-07-27 09:53:13	jl2	 /etc/zsh/zprofile
2023-07-27 09:55:27	tessamccan	The global config , you then cp tbe config to the -/.config/blar/
2023-07-27 09:55:57	tessamccan	Then that user has its own config 
2023-07-27 09:56:59	tessamccan	Eg with  picom say 
2023-07-27 09:58:16	average	rj1: Satya Nadella told him "We will hire you and give you a lot of money so you can stop with that SystemD Bullshit, even we at Microsoft hate that crap"
2023-07-27 09:58:53	average	so it's a good deal for him because RedHat paid him to do SystemD and Microsoft pays him to stop doing it
2023-07-27 09:58:57	average	either way he wins
2023-07-27 09:59:17	jelle	average: keep the FUD out of here
2023-07-27 10:00:11	jelle	oh right
2023-07-27 10:00:15	jelle	this is a troll, what am I doing
2023-07-27 10:00:17	jl2	funny enough from in a zsh session the ZDOTDIR is set to $HOME/.config/zsh
2023-07-27 10:00:51	Ennea	god's work is what you're doing, jelle 
2023-07-27 10:00:59	Ennea	actually, what kind of god are we worshipping here in #archlinux? 🤔
2023-07-27 10:01:08	jelle	$deity
2023-07-27 10:01:21	Ennea	there must be some sort of rolling release deity
2023-07-27 10:01:40	jl2	aha that's because of /etc/environment
2023-07-27 10:01:44	tessamccan	-/.config/zsh is the same 
2023-07-27 10:01:51	jl2	i know
2023-07-27 10:02:17	tessamccan	A penguin God 
2023-07-27 10:03:52	jl2	i'll be right back
2023-07-27 10:05:51	tessamccan	I so tempted to buy a 4070ti when I buy my 60000 64GB or ram  , then I will have buyers regret in tbe morning lol
2023-07-27 10:05:56	jl2	ok removing the line in /etc/environment did the job, thx
2023-07-27 10:07:42	tessamccan	Tbeir
2023-07-27 10:07:50	tessamccan	Oops
2023-07-27 10:14:29	tessamccan	Their is a highraky  /etc/blar   
2023-07-27 10:15:53	tessamccan	_   /user/share/blar  
2023-07-27 10:16:41	tessamccan	-/.config/blar
2023-07-27 10:17:25	tessamccan	Dumdeo 
2023-07-27 10:28:15	average	sorry..
2023-07-27 11:53:34	asd	when i run `pacman -Qi <pkgname>` it shows me if it was explicitly installed and who depends on the package etc... Where can I find the db that contains this information, and is there a way to `pacman-db-viewer -f /path/to/the/other.db` ?
2023-07-27 11:54:13	asd	my intention is to select some of the packages from a old machine
2023-07-27 11:54:53	dakforever	I just moved to a new os and had to grep the pacman log file
2023-07-27 11:55:23	mpan	asd: `DBPath` option in “pacman.conf” defines this. See <https://man.archlinux.org/man/pacman.conf.5>.
2023-07-27 11:55:24	phrik	Title: pacman.conf(5) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2023-07-27 11:56:39	mpan	`expac` <https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/expac/> can extract the data from either sync or local database in a convenient way.
2023-07-27 11:56:40	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - expac 10-5 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2023-07-27 12:13:04	asd	thank you :D
2023-07-27 12:23:32	Scimmia	asd: also note that pacman itself has options to filter on those fields. See -Qh
2023-07-27 12:42:32	roxlu	to be able to use the dektec device I'm considering to install another arch with a kernel version that is supported. does it make sense to e.g. install a old arch version 6.2.x on a free partition/hdd ? from my understanding this is the only solution ?
2023-07-27 12:43:51	grawity	you can have multiple kernels installed in the same partition
2023-07-27 12:43:58	grawity	like the linux-lts package that's currently at 6.1
2023-07-27 12:44:03	jelle	roxlu: as I suggested use lts
2023-07-27 12:44:15	roxlu	yeah from my understanding I can use lts, though the driver didn't seem work with lts either
2023-07-27 12:44:27	alad	jelle: you gotta do -oooo jelle jelle jelle jelle
2023-07-27 12:44:35	alad	for extra effect
2023-07-27 12:44:45	roxlu	I've been told that it works on 6.2.0 
2023-07-27 12:44:47	grawity	deop 2: deop harder
2023-07-27 12:45:03	jelle	alad: that is a lot
2023-07-27 12:46:01	roxlu	maybe I should use another distro :$ ? 
2023-07-27 12:46:20	alad	you can just use an old kernel from the archive
2023-07-27 12:46:25	grawity	does "works with 6.2" imply that it doesn't work with any other version?
2023-07-27 12:47:14	roxlu	grawity: it works with older versions too but I was checked by Dektec with a 6.2 kernel. 
2023-07-27 12:47:48	jelle	I kinda doubt that.. https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/dektec-dkms
2023-07-27 12:47:49	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - dektec-dkms (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-07-27 12:48:29	jelle	interestingly this has a 6.3 patch
2023-07-27 12:48:38	roxlu	jelle: I've tried that package
2023-07-27 12:48:54	roxlu	jelle: I ran into this http://ix.io/4Btj 
2023-07-27 12:49:33	grawity	roxlu: if it works with 6.1 then I'd say use 6.1
2023-07-27 12:49:46	grawity	roxlu: because 6.1 is an lts kernel so it'll actually remain supported for a while longer
2023-07-27 12:49:53	grawity	roxlu: by kernel devs, that is
2023-07-27 12:50:06	roxlu	grawity: yeah thanks
2023-07-27 13:34:10	lucifer147	hey 
2023-07-27 13:34:15	bittin_guadec	hey
2023-07-27 13:36:18	mpan	lucifer147: hello. Could we help you in some way? Just describe the trouble you are experiencing with Arch.
2023-07-27 13:39:09	lucifer147	hey i had a question. I am new to the window manager scene. I had seen some awesome setups on reddit. Would you mind recommending some window managers ( that fits really well with compositors like picom ) ?
2023-07-27 13:40:56	nattiestnate	most people i know start with i3, so you can try that i guess
2023-07-27 13:42:44	lucifer147	what is the language with which i3 is configured ? ( like awesome wm with lua ig )
2023-07-27 13:43:22	nattiestnate	i3's own config syntax
2023-07-27 13:44:23	nattiestnate	it's not that hard you just have to copy the config template over to your config folder and change it from there
2023-07-27 13:45:52	lucifer147	yeah. makes sense. i had to start from somewhere better take some ready made configuration files :) 
2023-07-27 13:47:23	shmoo	lucifer147: I recommend deciding if you want a stacking or tiling WM, then trying a few out based on your preferences - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Window_manager
2023-07-27 13:47:24	phrik	Title: Window manager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-27 13:50:37	lucifer147	thanks a lot. I think i'll start exploring the options. I had already seen some videos on youtube. This is my first dual boot system, so i really hope GRUB doesn't mess up my system ( particularly due to constant window updates ).
2023-07-27 13:53:58	arseru	What's a good `i3status` replacement that is more flexible and integrates well with i3? I was checking `polybar` but it looks like it has some tweaks for i3, and I was wondering what are popular choices here
2023-07-27 13:59:21	arseru	Maybe `i3blocks`?
2023-07-27 14:00:19	rcf	arseru: polybar worked quite well for me. 
2023-07-27 14:00:57	rcf	arseru: if you just want to replace the status line, almost any text-mode program will do. I use conky to generate mine, with the standard bar. 
2023-07-27 14:04:02	susi	arseru: i3status-rust
2023-07-27 14:04:13	susi	I have used them all, and this is what I stayed with
2023-07-27 14:13:10	MrElendig	arseru: what gfx card?
2023-07-27 14:16:16	arseru	MrElendig: it's a thinkpad T480, so 1x Intel UHD 620
2023-07-27 14:16:38	arseru	susi: nice, I didn't know about `i3status-rust`! Thanks :)
2023-07-27 14:17:11	arseru	rcf: it's just that I want to just replace `status_command <my-preferred-i3status>` and I can't do that with polybar :P but thanks!
2023-07-27 14:19:13	MrElendig	arseru: consider switching to sway and waybar then
2023-07-27 14:21:16	arseru	MrElendig: thanks
2023-07-27 14:24:31	MrElendig	or hypr if you like dynamic
2023-07-27 14:24:36	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-07-27 14:26:16	arseru	This was for my laptop at work, but I will definitely switch to wayland/sway on my new personal machine :D
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2023-07-27 14:27:42	DerpGusta	have a problem with my mic. Using i3wm with pipewire, Wireplumber and pavucontrol (via pipewire-pulse). The internal mic is displayed as unplugged in pavucontrol and I can't use it in browsers when attending calls. Any pointers?
2023-07-27 14:27:50	MrElendig	work or not should't really change anything. not much software that doesn't work under wayland/xwayland
2023-07-27 14:28:11	MrElendig	DerpGusta: you can try disabling jack sensing
2023-07-27 14:28:36	MrElendig	also check the profile
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2023-07-27 14:28:54	MrElendig	some laptops also has a firmware/hardware switch for the mic
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2023-07-27 14:30:24	DerpGusta	profile is set to "Analog Stereo Duplex" so Mic should work right?
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2023-07-27 14:31:36	MrElendig	usually
2023-07-27 14:32:51	rcf	MrElendig: as you get into weird enterprise stuff, the probability of it not working goes up quite a bit. 
2023-07-27 14:33:06	⚡ 	rcf glares at certain organizations
2023-07-27 14:37:11	DerpGusta	MrElendig, do not have pulseaudio server running. everything is directly through alsa. "wpctl status" shows the device exists though
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2023-07-27 14:48:10	arseru	DerpGusta: I have your exact same setup and I've also had the mic turned off misteriously for calls, the only thing that is fixing it so far is rebooting the machine
2023-07-27 14:48:10	DerpGusta	arseru, tried rebooting but the issue persists for me
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2023-07-27 14:48:10	Ennea	DerpGusta, have you also tried shutting it down and then firing it back up as opposed to "regular" rebooting?
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2023-07-27 14:48:10	Ennea	DerpGusta, also, you said you got pipewire-pulse, so you kind of have to have a pulseaudio server running 🤔
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2023-07-27 14:48:10	DerpGusta	Ennea, didn't shut it down. I also had a kernel command line snd-intel-dspcfg.dsp_driver=1 I'll try to remove it and see what happens
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2023-07-27 14:48:10	rcf	I recently switched back to pulseaudio proper because this kept causing pipewire to hang horribly, but this is probably unrelated 
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2023-07-27 14:48:10	DerpGusta	Ennea, I think pipewire acts as the pulse server. And it provides the API for tools like pavucontrol through packages like pipewire-pulse
2023-07-27 14:48:10	rcf	Pipewire is acting as the server indeed. 
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2023-07-27 14:48:45	rcf	Indeed pacman won't let you install pulseaudio and pipewire-pulse at the same time. 
2023-07-27 14:50:18	DerpGusta	be right back. did an mkinitcpio and will shutdown and reboot!
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2023-07-27 19:39:16	squid1	sorry I got logged out, thank you for the reply
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2023-07-27 19:42:12	squid1	I want to ask one more thing: from uefi firmware's perspective, there is no difference between a regular FAT32 partition and an FAT32 partition with ESP magic GUID, is that correct?
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2023-07-27 19:45:13	nl6720	squid1: the difference is only when booting "a disk", i.e when it looks for the default/fallback boot path. in the usual situation the firmware will boot whatever EFI binary the boot entry specifies on any file system it supports
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2023-07-27 19:48:57	squid1	thank you too @nl6720, I understand everything now, have a good day!
2023-07-27 19:48:57	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-07-27 19:49:11	nl6720	^_^
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2023-07-27 21:07:14	marcopolo1	So if i install wine and i do pamac remove wine does it remove all dependencies or should i do pamac clean or should i use pacman
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2023-07-27 21:16:18	NetSysFire	you know manjaro is unsupported here
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2023-07-27 21:16:27	NetSysFire	and -offtopic is the wrong place for that either
2023-07-27 21:16:30	NetSysFire	ask the pamac devs
2023-07-27 21:18:18	marcopolo1	i said pacman
2023-07-27 21:18:19	marcopolo1	not pamac
2023-07-27 21:19:00	Ennea	your message mentions pamac twice. pacman once
2023-07-27 21:19:58	topcat001	I would imagine many (most?) here have never used pamac.
2023-07-27 21:20:18	marcopolo1	just use manjaro
2023-07-27 21:20:23	Earnestly	war, war never changes
2023-07-27 21:21:03	topcat001	yes and it's different enough from vanilla Arch that we would really not like to spend bandwidth discussing here.
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2023-07-27 21:21:44	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+b $a:marcopolo1] por jelle
2023-07-27 21:21:44	topcat001	It's not elitism (a common misinterpretation), rather pragmatism.
2023-07-27 21:21:48	◣	jelle ha expulsado marcopolo1 (just do better)
2023-07-27 21:22:10	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [-o jelle] por jelle
2023-07-27 21:22:37	dakforever	I would simply use pacman -Rns wine, easy and reliable
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2023-07-27 21:28:29	susi	I would simply ask pamacman to do the thing
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2023-07-27 21:29:18	astralc	how there is no mspacman as alpm fronend?
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2023-07-27 21:29:58	Warepire	Never too late to write one
2023-07-27 21:30:48	Ennea	excellent idea, too
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2023-07-27 21:35:08	⚡ 	topcat001 has an old school mspacman console.
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2023-07-28 20:38:45	banta	Beats me, looks like people are saying they did it through the launch menu 
2023-07-28 20:39:00	banta	"Used Proton Experimental and selected Windows 7 64bit start option in launch menu.(didn't try anything else)"
2023-07-28 20:39:59	Mathisen	i saw that but i dont have that option i can choose proton version but nothing else
2023-07-28 20:44:45	TigerPro	Mathisen: can you check the properties of the game in steam to see if theres any launch dropdown? i think they may be talking about the steam popup when you first launch some games that launches the game in different configurations
2023-07-28 20:45:11	TigerPro	if you checked "always use this", you can only find it again in the steam game properies
2023-07-28 20:46:35	TigerPro	should be under General tab, a dropdown labeled "Launch Options", right above where you can add launch parameters
2023-07-28 20:49:07	Mathisen	no such thing steam look diffrent now days
2023-07-28 20:49:39	Mathisen	https://imgur.com/DuYdNgC.png
2023-07-28 20:49:58	Mathisen	https://imgur.com/4H4DbxL.png
2023-07-28 20:50:43	TigerPro	yeah looks like the game doesnt have that
2023-07-28 20:51:58	TigerPro	steam is installed via pacman right? maybe you could try the flatpak version to isolate possibility of a dependency problem
2023-07-28 20:52:45	TigerPro	theres also a gamingonlinux channel on libera that you might get more help in
2023-07-28 20:57:10	Mathisen	will check it out. 
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2023-07-28 21:05:39	banta	This go around with Steam I had to go with flatpak because some games just straight wouldn't work with the pacman version 
2023-07-28 21:06:12	banta	And I mean games like CSGO that are supposed to run straight on linux without wine
2023-07-28 21:13:30	jpw	i went with flatpak steam. it removes a lot of complexity
2023-07-28 21:18:21	TigerPro	definitely. and i assume the flatpak version is better supported since i think steam deck uses that
2023-07-28 21:19:09	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-07-28 21:20:11	Milos	Do we know what the hold up is for Python 3.11.4? The minor revision was released almost a month ago.
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2023-07-28 21:23:15	MacGyver	Wouldn't be surprised if it's simply "Felix is on holiday".
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2023-07-28 21:59:24	markboston	so i just noticed that the built in mic in my laptop is being seen by pipewire alsa sees it fine
2023-07-28 21:59:51	markboston	i followed the fix on the wiki but that broke both input and output sound
2023-07-28 22:00:09	markboston	also adding the microphone manually did the samething
2023-07-28 22:03:52	Edu4rdSHL	I do not get what you want to say, "i just noticed that the built in mic in my laptop is being seen by pipewire alsa sees it fine"
2023-07-28 22:03:58	Edu4rdSHL	So, what's the problem?
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2023-07-28 22:09:58	markboston	the mic doesn't work
2023-07-28 22:10:12	markboston	but it i use arecord it does
2023-07-28 22:10:30	markboston	but the system itself through pipewire is not
2023-07-28 22:10:41	markboston	working*
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2023-07-28 22:23:25	markboston	guess ill just remove pipewire then maybe it still has issues
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2023-07-28 23:00:04	finsternis	what is the minimum amount of free RAM to move the firefox cache and/or profile from disk to memory?
2023-07-28 23:00:47	finsternis	I have 8gb ram, but for example now the actual free memory amount is ~700MiB
2023-07-28 23:02:17	Namarrgon	the minimum depends on your use case but i wouldn't bother with this nonsense
2023-07-28 23:02:41	thing	I accidentally deleted /var/lib/pacman/local, now I have no packages to update. Is there anyway to restore the packages I've already installed? 
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2023-07-28 23:03:13	Namarrgon	thing: check the pacman tips&tricks page on the wikie, it shows how to restore it
2023-07-28 23:03:19	Namarrgon	*wiki
2023-07-28 23:03:51	Namarrgon	what were you trying to do instead of deleting the local db?
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2023-07-28 23:04:54	finsternis	Namarrgon: what do you mean nonsense? My question was nonsense or the practice of moving cache and/or profile from disk to memory?  
2023-07-28 23:05:03	Namarrgon	finsternis: the latter
2023-07-28 23:05:11	thing	I was trying to delete the cache directory
2023-07-28 23:05:28	Namarrgon	that was a major typo then
2023-07-28 23:05:32	teraflops	thing: next time use paccache
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2023-07-28 23:07:43	finsternis	Namarrgon: I asked not so much for the speed increase, but for limiting SSD wearing
2023-07-28 23:08:00	Namarrgon	don't worry about the SSD, it can take it
2023-07-28 23:08:16	Namarrgon	enable the trim timer and you're good
2023-07-28 23:08:36	Namarrgon	fstrim.timer or whatever the unit's name was
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2023-07-28 23:11:08	Namarrgon	thing: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Restore_local_database
2023-07-28 23:11:10	phrik	Title: pacman/Restore local database - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-07-28 23:11:19	Namarrgon	sorr,y i thought it was on the other page
2023-07-28 23:12:04	Namarrgon	finsternis: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Solid_state_drive#Periodic_TRIM
2023-07-28 23:12:05	phrik	Title: Solid state drive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-28 23:13:34	thing	I'm unable to install pacutils. It says pacman: /usr/share/zsh/site-functions/_pacman exists in filesystem. Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.
2023-07-28 23:13:51	zeratul	I wish the arch wiki had dark mode as on option
2023-07-28 23:13:56	Namarrgon	--dbonly and then install it properly again
2023-07-28 23:14:16	Namarrgon	or let pacman --overwrite the file
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2023-07-28 23:15:41	alad	zeratul: it does
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2023-07-28 23:15:52	teraflops	hmm do I need fstrim timer if I have issue_discards=1 for lvm?
2023-07-28 23:16:28	topcat001	finsternis: you might want to increase `browser.sessionstore.interval` and/or test disabling `browser.cache.disk.enable`. This should reduce writes without too much inconvenience. However, it not really an issue with a modern ssd device.
2023-07-28 23:16:29	zeratul	alad, no it doesn't
2023-07-28 23:16:37	alad	zeratul: it does
2023-07-28 23:16:38	alad	log in
2023-07-28 23:17:34	topcat001	finsternis: Also with 8 GB RAM it's not a good idea because it will just start swapping.
2023-07-28 23:17:42	finsternis	topcat001: I don't know if samsung evo 850 250GB is modern enough..Maybe yes
2023-07-28 23:17:53	finsternis	Namarrgon: yes fstrim timer service using systemd. So I don't even have to bother with changing paritioning scheme in SSD?.. Usually I did / /boot /home swap in HDD. Now It's the first time I install in SSD, so I was wondering if that partitioning scheme is still good, that is all the OS filesystem in SSD, even /home, leaving only big files (video, data) for the HDD that I would mount (fstab)
2023-07-28 23:17:53	finsternis	and 
2023-07-28 23:17:56	topcat001	waayyyyyy modern :)
2023-07-28 23:18:00	finsternis	possibly symlink to have data directly appear in /home
2023-07-28 23:18:26	Namarrgon	finsternis: you should have kept all of /home on the ssd, otherwise you lose out on the benefits
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2023-07-28 23:18:39	Namarrgon	all your configs and caches are in there
2023-07-28 23:18:45	topcat001	also you do want to retain state/cookies etc otherwise all is lost when you reboot
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2023-07-28 23:19:14	finsternis	Namarrgon: ~/.config and ~/.cache in SSD
2023-07-28 23:19:27	Namarrgon	and ~/.local? and the rest?
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2023-07-28 23:19:42	Namarrgon	symlinking farms are not fun to maintain
2023-07-28 23:19:49	teraflops	heh
2023-07-28 23:19:59	topcat001	finsternis: Also might help to use say `iostat -dzp` to monitor how much it's actually writing (if only for fun)
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2023-07-28 23:21:25	finsternis	then all in SSD, even swap partition, and only files to archive go in HDD, that I mount ad hoc
2023-07-28 23:21:37	Namarrgon	that's how i would do it, yes
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2023-07-28 23:22:05	Namarrgon	maybe use a swapfile instead, makes resizing it simpler
2023-07-28 23:22:09	thing	Namarrgon: files.list file is empty
2023-07-28 23:22:17	finsternis	I've heard about swapfile, zram..I don't know if it's worth it..I don't know what they are so I'd have to read about
2023-07-28 23:22:33	topcat001	swapfile is trivial really
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2023-07-28 23:22:48	teraflops	my first ssd (64GB) is still working
2023-07-28 23:22:56	topcat001	do you need to hibernate?
2023-07-28 23:23:02	finsternis	no
2023-07-28 23:23:07	finsternis	I just suspend to ram
2023-07-28 23:23:20	topcat001	then I would not bother with a partition for swap
2023-07-28 23:23:33	thing	uhm how can I do that?
2023-07-28 23:23:58	Namarrgon	thing: what did you do so far?
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2023-07-28 23:24:04	finsternis	ok, thanks for the advices guys
2023-07-28 23:24:19	Namarrgon	finsternis: keep it simple
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2023-07-28 23:25:15	thing	Namarrgon: I installed pacutils and ran the paclog script piped to pacrecover which generated 2 files files.list and pkglist.orig. pkglist.orig contains the packages I installed, but files.list is empty
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2023-07-28 23:26:12	thing	I deleted the var/lib/pacman/local directory after I updated the system. All packages are up to date.
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2023-07-28 23:28:36	Namarrgon	thing: that's okay, reinstall the packages from pkglist.orig then
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2023-07-28 23:29:39	topcat001	teraflops: I'm very curious to see a `(sudo) smartctl -a` output on that drive!
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2023-07-28 23:31:53	teraflops	topcat001: it's lvm with several physical disks
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2023-07-28 23:35:26	teraflops	topcat001: 2 8TB disks like this https://paste.priet.us/zg7h/ and one 4TB nvme disk https://paste.priet.us/2k7q/
2023-07-28 23:35:39	teraflops	8TB SSD*
2023-07-28 23:35:58	Namarrgon	teraflops: i think topcat001 meant the old 64gb ssd
2023-07-28 23:36:02	teraflops	ah
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2023-07-28 23:37:48	teraflops	it's on an enclosure at work
2023-07-28 23:37:58	Namarrgon	issue_discards seems to affect only what happens when extents are removed, whether lvm should "discard" these ranges
2023-07-28 23:38:27	MacGyver	Which it should, but yes, I seem to recall there's a misunderstanding about issue_discards.
2023-07-28 23:38:45	Namarrgon	regular discard commands are passsed down to the next layer even if this option is disabled
2023-07-28 23:38:45	MacGyver	I'm pretty sure that the normal FS trims get forwarded without a setting.
2023-07-28 23:38:58	teraflops	oh I did not know that
2023-07-28 23:39:09	MacGyver	Yeah I was once also unaware.
2023-07-28 23:39:19	MacGyver	The phrasing has changed in the example config.
2023-07-28 23:39:21	Namarrgon	so, yeah, you still need to look into enabling trim in some way
2023-07-28 23:39:23	MacGyver	And it was unclear for a long time.
2023-07-28 23:39:35	MacGyver	Just enable the fstrim timer.
2023-07-28 23:39:43	MacGyver	*Don't* mount the filesystems with the discard option.
2023-07-28 23:40:40	teraflops	thanks for the info guys
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2023-07-28 23:40:58	teraflops	yeah no discard in fstab
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2023-07-28 23:43:26	thing	Namarrgon: I had to filter out aur packages before restoring. How can I restore aur packages? Do I have to uninstall and install?
2023-07-28 23:43:48	Namarrgon	same way you installed them
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2023-07-28 23:56:55	bluray	i love how arch just works out of the box. I was trying another under-the-hood distro and audio didn't work in it :D
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2023-07-28 23:57:26	ℹ 	adam_ es conocido ahora como chemist
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2023-07-28 23:57:53	chemist	How's everyone doing?
2023-07-28 23:59:31	rcf	!welcomerpg
2023-07-28 23:59:32	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2023-07-29 00:00:36	◣	Phr33d0m (~x@user/Phr33d0m) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2023-07-29 00:00:38	chemist	I fucked up by installing using `archinstall`
2023-07-29 00:00:43	chemist	(jk)
2023-07-29 00:00:48	MacGyver	Yeah, that's a fuckup.
2023-07-29 00:00:49	MacGyver	Better redo.
2023-07-29 00:00:56	chemist	Ikr
2023-07-29 00:00:57	MacGyver	Use pacstrap.
2023-07-29 00:01:16	chemist	I actually wrote my own guide on how to install Arch in a (somewhat) secure way.
2023-07-29 00:01:44	chemist	Would it be okay if some of you cheked it out? This is like the first time I wrote something like that and I'm looking for feedback.
2023-07-29 00:01:46	MacGyver	You wrote it in mirror-script, then burned it?
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2023-07-29 00:02:43	chemist	I just wrote it on a note taking app and posted it on gitlab
2023-07-29 00:03:07	chemist	> casually forgets to put in a very critical part about re-installing the kernel
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2023-07-29 00:05:03	chemist	Can I just post the link here? Or will I get silenced..
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2023-07-29 00:13:16	Foxboron	chemist: feel free to post
2023-07-29 00:13:55	Foxboron	But if it's really bad I might not bother to give pointers
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2023-07-29 00:14:41	NetSysFire	heres a pointer: 0xf42065b
2023-07-29 00:15:03	MacGyver	NetSysFire: That crashed my kernel.
2023-07-29 00:15:15	MacGyver	NetSysFire: Something about a null pointer dereference.
2023-07-29 00:15:19	MacGyver	NetSysFire: What did you do?!
2023-07-29 00:15:34	NetSysFire	try to reboot using cat /dev/urandom > /dev/mem
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2023-07-29 00:25:23	heythere221	Hello!:) I've a probably stupid question lol. So I'm trying to figure out what is taking up disk space on my linux machine. I typed in df and it listet my drives/ partitions. I can see the size, the available and used space. This is the output: /dev/nvme0n1p2  458G  364G   71G  84% / How come total size is not equal to used space + available space? 
2023-07-29 00:25:55	heythere221	I'm "missing" around 30G's
2023-07-29 00:26:50	NetSysFire	go to e.g your /home and du du -hd1 . 2>/dev/null | sort -h
2023-07-29 00:27:08	NetSysFire	*do du
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2023-07-29 00:27:24	NetSysFire	i'd bet its some cache. also check /var, especially /var/cache/pacman
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2023-07-29 00:29:00	rv1sr	 heythere221 In case of ext3/4 there also is root-reserved space
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2023-07-29 00:35:26	heythere221	Thx everyone. I just cleaned the pacman cache with pacman -Scc Now I'm only "missing" 23G.
2023-07-29 00:35:34	heythere221	Then I executed: df / | grep dev | cut -f 3,6 -d\  | awk '{print ($1*.05)+$2}'
2023-07-29 00:35:45	teraflops	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ext4#:~:text=of%20them%20quickly.-,Reserved%20blocks,from%20mke2fs(8)).
2023-07-29 00:35:48	heythere221	and indeed I have 22.9G reserved root space
2023-07-29 00:35:49	phrik	Title: Ext4 - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-07-29 00:36:01	teraflops	what an ugly url
2023-07-29 00:36:03	heythere221	Thx! :D
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2023-07-29 00:37:26	heythere221	teraflops: Ah nice that's what I was researching rn. Thx for the link ;)
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2023-07-29 01:17:39	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-07-29 01:17:39	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1310 nicks (1 op, 0 voices, 1309 normals)
2023-07-29 01:01:37	chemist	I'm back
2023-07-29 01:01:54	chemist	Here's the link to the guide I mentioned earlier: https://gitlab.com/1593358539/guides/-/blob/main/A__Reasonably__Secure____22Advanced_22__Arch_Linux_installation_guide.md
2023-07-29 01:01:55	phrik	Title: A__Reasonably__Secure____22Advanced_22__Arch_Linux_installation_guide.md · main · FriendlyChemist / Guides · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2023-07-29 01:04:33	jkc	Given that all of that is already stated in the wiki, I question why that exists./
2023-07-29 01:08:27	chemist	Someone made another guide and I wanted to touch on it and give my own suggestions.
2023-07-29 01:08:37	chemist	Plus it's all in one place :shrug:
2023-07-29 01:10:52	jkc	The arch wiki has a URL. External guides suck, no exceptions.
2023-07-29 01:17:39	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2023-07-29 01:39:05	mingdao	Am I doing something incorrectly? https://0x0.st/H28g.png https://0x0.st/H28E.png
2023-07-29 01:43:17	coruja	!give mingdao fixkeyring2
2023-07-29 01:43:18	phrik	mingdao: If your keyring issue hasn't been fixed yet, try: rm -rf /etc/pacman.d/gnupg && pacman-key --init && pacman-key --populate && pacman-key --refresh-keys
2023-07-29 01:44:12	mingdao	coruja: tks; running it now
2023-07-29 01:44:23	bluray	how often should i run pacman -Syu?
2023-07-29 01:46:44	Scimmia	Anywhere from hourly to every few months
2023-07-29 01:47:39	bluray	hmm ok, thanks :)
2023-07-29 01:47:57	mingdao	bluray: If you haven't read it, this might be helpful, also:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_maintenance
2023-07-29 01:47:59	phrik	Title: System maintenance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-29 01:49:46	bluray	reading now ty
2023-07-29 02:02:16	mingdao	coruja: Just to confirm, that fixed it, and `pacman -Syu` was successful.  Thank you.
2023-07-29 02:42:07	susi	mingdao: is al rite?
2023-07-29 02:42:11	susi	all rite*
2023-07-29 02:42:59	susi	mingdao: we could have thought about this issue together... as we often do. yours truly
2023-07-29 02:50:36	qp	forum question: is it possible to remove old bbs.archlinux.org account?
2023-07-29 03:09:24	susi	iirc it's not
2023-07-29 03:09:33	susi	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=47587
2023-07-29 03:09:34	phrik	Title: Forum Policy: No username changes nor account deletions / Forum & Wiki discussion / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-07-29 03:14:59	Oleg_	Hi. I installed both gnome and gnome-extra groups from the Arch repository. When I start gnome-remote-desktop-daemon on the computer that runs gnome and then access the gnome desktop through the vnc viewer on my Android device, I only see a gray area and a tiny mouse pointer.
2023-07-29 03:16:25	Oleg_	so, the vnc connection definitely gets established; it's just that I only see a gray area in my vnc viewer.
2023-07-29 03:17:36	Oleg_	When I move the mouse pointer in the vnc viewer, I can see that the mouse pointer will also move on the computer running gnome.
2023-07-29 03:19:09	Oleg_	Maybe I need to install some package from Arch repositories to fix this issue?
2023-07-29 03:19:21	Oleg_	I just don't know what package I need to install
2023-07-29 03:20:22	Oleg_	the screen is gray in the vnc viewer
2023-07-29 03:22:02	qp	susi: thank you
2023-07-29 03:26:08	chemist	Back again, hopefully I won't randomly disconnect this time.
2023-07-29 03:54:34	Oleg_	LaserEyess: On Arch Linux, I can access sway remotely. But when I try to access gnome remotely, the vnc viewer on my Android device shows me only a gray screen with nothing on it except for a tiny mouse pointer.
2023-07-29 04:00:51	Oleg_	isn't journalctl supposed to help in such cases?
2023-07-29 04:02:57	NetSysFire	not everything logs into the journal, but gnome usually does. make sure you run it as root
2023-07-29 04:19:12	Oleg_	Oh, wow. I finally succeeded in making the vnc viewer show me the gnome desktop, instead of an empty gray screen.
2023-07-29 04:19:38	Oleg_	I don't even know what setting I changed to make it happen.
2023-07-29 04:32:01	Oleg_	LaserEyess: the problem has been resolved.
2023-07-29 07:05:47	Ogobaga	im having problems updating my system on arch and i will likely get a kernel panic on reboot here is what it displays when i try to update and grub-mkconfig: https://privatebin.net/?e2a7868d2df5001c#FUQ2Zkky6riExuzE9W4XNhVSr5gqjiFrPze1EUnqREPK
2023-07-29 07:05:47	phrik	Title: PrivateBin (at privatebin.net)
2023-07-29 07:05:48	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/H2P8.txt
2023-07-29 07:11:15	Ogobaga	anyone got any idea what could it possible be causing those errors?
2023-07-29 07:13:03	sheep	what do you get from the command "file /boot/vmlinuz-linux"?
2023-07-29 07:14:16	Ogobaga	sheep: this :https://privatebin.net/?feb9112526ccc971#3CeRh8qrqEjpWxqLkjyqmJPYVd7BmzdpA7FMPMkKohj9
2023-07-29 07:14:17	phrik	Title: PrivateBin (at privatebin.net)
2023-07-29 07:14:17	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/H2PZ.txt
2023-07-29 07:15:41	sheep	that looks normal to me. What do you get from "uname -m"?
2023-07-29 07:15:59	Ogobaga	x86_64
2023-07-29 07:16:14	sheep	weird
2023-07-29 07:17:09	Ogobaga	should i try pacman -R linux linux-firmware and then pacman -S again?
2023-07-29 07:18:55	sheep	maybe
2023-07-29 07:18:59	rcf	That is probably what I'd try first. 
2023-07-29 07:20:55	Ogobaga	no luck. tried it with pacman -Rns
2023-07-29 07:21:16	Ogobaga	man.. and there's a storm outside...
2023-07-29 07:21:47	sheep	try pacman -S coreutils
2023-07-29 07:22:04	sheep	mkinitcpio uses od and dd to determine the kernel version, and maybe those got corrupted somehow
2023-07-29 07:26:07	Ogobaga	tried pacman -S coreutils linux linux-firmware but no luck
2023-07-29 07:26:51	archdemon	why are you running grub-mkconfig yourself
2023-07-29 07:26:52	archdemon	also
2023-07-29 07:26:54	archdemon	why grub
2023-07-29 07:27:23	sheep	grub-mkconfig isn't what's failing here. It's mkinitcpio.
2023-07-29 07:27:34	Ogobaga	archdemon: i was just trying stuff
2023-07-29 07:28:20	sheep	try running this: find /usr/lib -size 0
2023-07-29 07:28:28	sheep	I suspect you have a broken library somewhere
2023-07-29 07:29:58	Ogobaga	sheep: here the result of find :https://privatebin.net/?49b6ef708b1a4fbd#CaSh1bva3gJDSMVwRDpcfesaeohjJNV9Lh4kZfk7WqkM
2023-07-29 07:29:58	phrik	Title: PrivateBin (at privatebin.net)
2023-07-29 07:29:59	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/H2PA.txt
2023-07-29 07:30:29	sheep	it doesn't look like any important libraries are empty. This is really weird
2023-07-29 07:30:55	Ogobaga	what was the command to reinstall all packages in archlinux
2023-07-29 07:30:57	Ogobaga	?
2023-07-29 07:31:23	sheep	it's on the wiki somewhere, but I'm not sure that it will help in this case
2023-07-29 07:31:30	Ogobaga	ah found it
2023-07-29 07:31:31	Ogobaga	pacman -Qqn | pacman -S -
2023-07-29 07:32:22	chowbok	I would try reinstalling mkinitcpio first
2023-07-29 07:34:05	sheep	if reinstalling mkinitcpio doesn't work, try running this: mkinitcpio --verbose -p linux
2023-07-29 07:35:37	Ogobaga	i'll let pacman -Qqn | pacman -S - finish first
2023-07-29 07:37:07	rcf	Ogobaga: just to check the obvious: are any IO errors in the journal? Also do /boot/vmlinuz-linux and /usr/lib/modules/6.4.7-arch1-1/vmlinuz match? 
2023-07-29 07:42:23	Ogobaga	oh god... a reinstall of all packages didnt do the trick
2023-07-29 07:42:51	Ogobaga	rcf: when i do a file to both paths it does look like it matches
2023-07-29 07:43:07	Ogobaga	rcf: would a journalctl -f do?
2023-07-29 07:43:48	rcf	-b would be more useful. 
2023-07-29 07:54:32	chowbok	Did it create an /etc/mkinitcpio.conf.pacnew file, by any chance?
2023-07-29 07:54:48	Ogobaga	rfc sheep chowbok : theres so much info from journalctl -b that i just cut from the beginning of the first sudo pacman -S packages here;https://privatebin.net/?d7823c3d187746bc#8SKhZQVoP5QBLoNatR8otL9kkFLx9GWtEvfzht3dfDLb
2023-07-29 07:54:49	phrik	Title: PrivateBin (at privatebin.net)
2023-07-29 07:54:49	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/H2Pu.txt
2023-07-29 07:56:08	Ogobaga	chowbok: no, this is the output of ls :https://privatebin.net/?3b53d89f318802d7#AJaHvFKEqV5Rs1ZNwqEVkmUeeLnMZfvRyDPqmbUcSJsC
2023-07-29 07:56:09	phrik	Title: PrivateBin (at privatebin.net)
2023-07-29 07:56:09	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/H2PS.txt
2023-07-29 07:57:17	sheep	are there any .pacnew files in /usr/lib/initcpio? run find /usr/lib/initcpio -name '*.pacnew'
2023-07-29 07:58:21	Ogobaga	 sheep: find didnt found anything
2023-07-29 07:58:50	sheep	is there anything in /usr/local/bin?
2023-07-29 07:58:57	Ogobaga	yeah
2023-07-29 07:59:06	sheep	what files are there?
2023-07-29 07:59:08	Ogobaga	i have bwrap wrappers in there
2023-07-29 07:59:13	Ogobaga	but let me see
2023-07-29 07:59:28	sheep	od and dd are the main ones that would break mkinitcpio's kernel detection
2023-07-29 07:59:42	Ogobaga	ah
2023-07-29 07:59:46	Ogobaga	i have a dd wrapper thee
2023-07-29 07:59:48	Ogobaga	there
2023-07-29 08:00:33	Ogobaga	hoho
2023-07-29 08:00:37	Ogobaga	something is workign!
2023-07-29 08:01:17	Ogobaga	ajsdkwnd fushing shdet itf asdctuajjy woqqdkeff
2023-07-29 08:01:36	archdemon	seems your keyboard is
2023-07-29 08:01:50	rv1sr	His spelling isn't - please fix before you continue
2023-07-29 08:02:29	Ogobaga	sheep: here is the result after deleting that dd wrapper script:https://privatebin.net/?69cc4aede1fa9947#9dkhYxADcbqoYGgV17Bx2QWmvLR8eaUDoGrVArwkeQ1y
2023-07-29 08:02:30	phrik	Title: PrivateBin (at privatebin.net)
2023-07-29 08:02:30	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/H2PQ.txt
2023-07-29 08:02:33	rv1sr	If you messed with your mkinitcpio.conf, take a look https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/mkinitcpio/mkinitcpio/-/blob/master/mkinitcpio.conf
2023-07-29 08:02:35	phrik	Title: mkinitcpio.conf · master · Arch Linux / Mkinitcpio / mkinitcpio · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-07-29 08:02:43	sheep	this looks normal to me
2023-07-29 08:03:18	Ogobaga	rv1sr: my words are encrypted. didnt want to shout out bad words..
2023-07-29 08:03:27	Ogobaga	were*
2023-07-29 08:03:29	rv1sr	Dont shout at all
2023-07-29 08:05:17	Ogobaga	well, sheep, im grateful, thank you C:
2023-07-29 09:10:57	jtgd	I know the X server controls the video,keyboard,mouse, but would a video driver, like 'nouveau' for nvidia, have any control over the keyboard?
2023-07-29 09:20:07	dakforever	jtgd: not that i'm aware
2023-07-29 09:44:48	jtgd	Hmmm... the video works (I can change root window color) the mouse pointer works, but no key events.
2023-07-29 10:54:36	kidnextdoor	hi, i am trying to figure out whats the default sleep timer for the display on a fresh arch instal but i have no clue
2023-07-29 10:54:44	kidnextdoor	can anyone help me?
2023-07-29 11:03:17	SomeVisitor	on tty or on some kind of desktop environment?
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2023-07-29 11:25:10	kidnextdoor	nevermind i think i disabled dpms :D thank you
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2023-07-29 13:13:05	hussein1_	hi, once again i am installing arch, i'm having pacman-key nonsense, i've ran archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync manually, it didn't help, i need the incantation to fix it that's a macro in this channel
2023-07-29 13:13:50	hussein1_	not a macro, it's one of the things phrik can be made to say
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2023-07-29 13:22:09	teraflops	if you need help describe the error in detail, use a paste service to post it
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2023-07-29 13:41:56	mingdao	hussein1_: IDK if this is what you're looking for, but yesterday someone gave me fixkeyring2
2023-07-29 13:42:04	mingdao	!give hussein1_ fixkeyring2
2023-07-29 13:42:05	phrik	hussein1_: If your keyring issue hasn't been fixed yet, try: rm -rf /etc/pacman.d/gnupg && pacman-key --init && pacman-key --populate && pacman-key --refresh-keys
2023-07-29 13:42:40	mingdao	It worked for me.  This is not a new install.
2023-07-29 13:43:53	hussein1_	i think that's it - thanks
2023-07-29 13:44:01	mingdao	hope that works for you
2023-07-29 13:44:02	hussein1_	it worked now
2023-07-29 13:44:26	mingdao	It took a little while to run for me before it finished.
2023-07-29 13:44:52	mingdao	Over 15 minutes.
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2023-07-29 20:05:51	bswartz	So the kernel we're running in ALARM is EOL
2023-07-29 20:06:15	bswartz	Ooops wrong channel, brb
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2023-07-29 20:14:16	ℹ 	babatong- es conocido ahora como babatong
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2023-07-30 12:41:57	erectus	is qemu the best virtualisation app?
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2023-07-30 12:44:41	teraflops	I think KVM is the best hypervisor
2023-07-30 12:45:18	erectus	does it do full virtualisation?  e.g. full o.s. inside, including its networking?
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2023-07-30 12:46:05	jelle	erectus: what is your use case?
2023-07-30 12:46:22	erectus	teraflops: how is kvm used?  e.g. is it used with apps like qemu?  or is there a better way?
2023-07-30 12:46:39	erectus	jelle: i want to run a browser in a virtual machine for added security.
2023-07-30 12:47:04	teraflops	erectus: what are you looking for? an hypervisor or a fronted (GUI/CLI) to it?
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2023-07-30 12:47:34	erectus	can i use a hypervisor without a front end?
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2023-07-30 12:48:00	erectus	specifically, can i use kvm without a front-end?
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2023-07-30 12:48:18	jelle	gnome-boxes is the easiest to get started with KVM
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2023-07-30 12:48:36	jelle	but for extra security, it sounds like you want qubes-os rather :)
2023-07-30 12:48:48	teraflops	regardin kvm you can use plain qemu or libvirt (cli) or you can use a GUI like boxes or virt-manager
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2023-07-30 12:50:24	dviola	I like plain qemu, the next version of qemu will even support pipewire so you can watch youtube securely with crystal clear audio
2023-07-30 12:50:37	jelle	dviola: with no acceleration of graphics :)
2023-07-30 12:50:55	dviola	jelle: ;)
2023-07-30 12:51:40	erectus	jelle: qubes-os?  is this some linux distro with every app in its own container of some sort?
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2023-07-30 12:51:53	jelle	erectus: no, not container but virtual machine
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2023-07-30 12:52:55	erectus	which virtual machine does it use?
2023-07-30 12:53:21	jelle	Xen but that does not matter
2023-07-30 12:53:40	erectus	right.
2023-07-30 12:54:14	erectus	one thing that i must do is to tunnel all network traffic that comes out of a virtual machine, such that it goes into a specific tun interface (tun0, openvpn's)
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2023-07-30 12:54:29	teraflops	jelle: you can have sort of graphics acceleration using virgl
2023-07-30 12:54:53	jelle	teraflops: ofcourse you can, but I am also trying to cater to the questioners level :P0
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2023-07-30 12:55:11	teraflops	;)
2023-07-30 12:56:24	dviola	teraflops: virgl is a bit broken for me right now: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/9321
2023-07-30 12:56:25	phrik	Title: Incorrect PDF rendering with Firefox (QEMU using virtio GPU) [bisected] (#9321) · Issues · Mesa / mesa · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2023-07-30 12:57:01	teraflops	dviola: hmm right now I do arm/metal (macos) and it works surprisingly well
2023-07-30 12:57:39	dviola	teraflops: oh..
2023-07-30 12:58:10	teraflops	didnt test with linux as host in while, I supposed it should just works
2023-07-30 12:58:42	dviola	yeah, I just have that one issue really, it works for 99% of the things that I need
2023-07-30 12:59:03	dviola	it's pretty good, hopefully we'll get a vulkan renderer soon :P
2023-07-30 12:59:10	teraflops	yeah ;)
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2023-07-30 13:00:21	erectus	jelle: i have an tun0 created by openvpn in my host machine.  i want to map it to virtual machine's interface, so that the guest os feels as if its interface is connected to openvpn's tun0 by a tube/pipe.
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2023-07-30 13:00:26	erectus	any idea how to do this?
2023-07-30 13:00:57	jelle	erectus: no
2023-07-30 13:01:18	erectus	i'm surprised this is so hard apparently.
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2023-07-30 13:01:59	erectus	plan B: make the virtual machine connect its interface to host's socks port 9050.
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2023-07-30 13:02:44	jelle	huh
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2023-07-30 13:03:06	erectus	any reason why isn't this possible?
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2023-07-30 13:03:48	jelle	I don't see why you couldn't use tun0 as interface of your VM
2023-07-30 13:04:12	teraflops	erectus: it'd not that hard
2023-07-30 13:04:16	erectus	neat.  you mean i can directly tell qemu "hey, pick this tun0"?
2023-07-30 13:04:16	teraflops	it's*
2023-07-30 13:04:39	erectus	what's the argument to do it with qemu?
2023-07-30 13:07:16	teraflops	erectus: maybe you want to try any of the qemu channels
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2023-07-30 13:07:26	erectus	which one?
2023-07-30 13:07:50	erectus	they're in oftc.  not here. 
2023-07-30 13:07:55	teraflops	 /msg alis LIST
2023-07-30 13:08:42	erectus	was already in #qemu.  none answered me.  anyway, will see more.
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2023-07-30 13:09:15	erectus	thanks teraflops and jelle.
2023-07-30 13:09:24	teraflops	there is documentation https://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/Networking
2023-07-30 13:09:27	phrik	Title: Documentation/Networking - QEMU (at wiki.qemu.org)
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2023-07-30 13:17:58	teraflops	erectus: anyway, you can accomplish what you want by several ways, using nat, using a bridge, or routing traffic
2023-07-30 13:18:38	teraflops	or just setup the socks roxy inside the vm
2023-07-30 13:18:45	teraflops	proxy*
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2023-07-30 13:20:04	teraflops	dviola: I get 110 fps with supertuxkart ;)
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2023-07-30 13:20:31	Plasmoduck	:)
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2023-07-30 13:23:36	throstur	I have some kind of emergency. After the latest update I no longer have any wifi devices, and when I plug in my n300 dongle as a backup it shows in lsusb but doesnt light up, Im painstakingly typing this on another inmates computer that is set to qwerty, how can I fix this?
2023-07-30 13:24:18	jl2	throstur: cold reboot?
2023-07-30 13:24:37	throstur	tried normal reboot, powered off 5 mins ago will give it a go
2023-07-30 13:25:11	jl2	i don't think 5 mins are necessary, just power off and plug out
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2023-07-30 13:25:18	dviola	teraflops: cool :D
2023-07-30 13:25:36	throstur	jl2, well, it was already off... but there was no success
2023-07-30 13:25:53	throstur	come to think of it, mouse doesnt work either
2023-07-30 13:26:13	throstur	usb mouse works, but touhcpad and trackpoint not
2023-07-30 13:26:18	jl2	did ya mount the efi partition?
2023-07-30 13:26:50	jl2	(for the update?)
2023-07-30 13:27:04	throstur	was I supposed to do that manually?
2023-07-30 13:27:20	throstur	I didnt see anything about that on the news
2023-07-30 13:27:25	jl2	no no
2023-07-30 13:27:37	teraflops	tried to just boot the previous kernel? 
2023-07-30 13:27:44	jl2	just the efi partition should be mounted for updates
2023-07-30 13:28:04	jl2	(check your fstab, i mean)
2023-07-30 13:28:06	throstur	I'll try booting previous kernel... /me googles that
2023-07-30 13:28:41	teraflops	also is your wireless nic using some out of tree exotic drivers?
2023-07-30 13:28:45	jl2	throstur: pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/linux-[something]
2023-07-30 13:29:22	jl2	replace something with the second-newest kernel version you can find
2023-07-30 13:29:25	throstur	no, its a thinkpad t480
2023-07-30 13:29:56	jl2	did your internal keyboard break to? had that this morning
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2023-07-30 13:30:29	throstur	thankfully not, i have no other
2023-07-30 13:30:58	throstur	the only kernel in my cache is 6.4.6 but uname -a shows 6.4.3... oh boy...
2023-07-30 13:31:07	jl2	yep efi partition
2023-07-30 13:31:34	throstur	how do I fix this?
2023-07-30 13:31:43	jl2	boot a live iso, mount the partitions at the right place (EFI TOO), arch-chroot and 'pacman -Syu'
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2023-07-30 13:32:57	chromas	If you open up a terminal, run "journalctl -f" and then plug your wifi adapter in, do you get any messages?
2023-07-30 13:32:58	jl2	and if your internal keyboard doesn't work then blame 6.4.7 :P
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2023-07-30 13:33:56	throstur	yes chromas, the adapter is found but no wireless driver seems to open it
2023-07-30 13:34:34	chromas	no error messages?
2023-07-30 13:34:36	jl2	throstur: you can also just run mkinitcpio -P from chroot
2023-07-30 13:34:52	throstur	jl2 you mean from the live iso?
2023-07-30 13:34:59	jl2	yes
2023-07-30 13:35:02	throstur	chromas, none at all
2023-07-30 13:35:24	jl2	nothing like module not found???
2023-07-30 13:35:43	teraflops	!kernelcheck
2023-07-30 13:35:44	phrik	compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
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2023-07-30 13:36:19	teraflops	if the above does not match and you already rebooted the machine, do what jl2 suggested
2023-07-30 13:36:22	jl2	throstur: wait your system is still running? just mount the EFI and run mkinitcpio -P
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2023-07-30 13:37:08	throstur	EFI would be the 512M part at the start if I remember correctly, here goes nothing
2023-07-30 13:37:24	throstur	where to mount it?
2023-07-30 13:37:47	jl2	check your /etc/fstab
2023-07-30 13:37:55	jl2	it might be in there
2023-07-30 13:38:05	throstur	it isnt
2023-07-30 13:38:33	jl2	else (probability descending) /boot, /efi, /boot/efi
2023-07-30 13:38:51	jl2	most probably first if you  didn't change it
2023-07-30 13:38:54	throstur	boot exists but is not a mount
2023-07-30 13:38:59	chromas	Do you remember where you mounted it when you installed?
2023-07-30 13:39:13	jl2	mount [disk] /boot
2023-07-30 13:39:22	jl2	not mount [disk]
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2023-07-30 13:39:31	throstur	but /boot is not an empty directory
2023-07-30 13:39:43	throstur	chromas I think it was /boot, I followed the guide
2023-07-30 13:39:50	jl2	that's because those contents should be in the partition
2023-07-30 13:39:58	jl2	rm -r /boot/*
2023-07-30 13:40:09	throstur	so sudo mv /boot /bakboot ?
2023-07-30 13:40:37	jl2	yeah
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2023-07-30 13:41:46	throstur	mount unknown filesystem vfat?
2023-07-30 13:41:55	throstur	I dont remember this error
2023-07-30 13:42:15	jl2	oh then you have to use the archiso because the kernel can't load the module
2023-07-30 13:42:27	throstur	command was mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 /boot
2023-07-30 13:42:37	throstur	okay, almost downloaded :)
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2023-07-30 13:44:35	teraflops	this is not the first time I see this, did your last -Syu go well?
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2023-07-30 13:47:46	jl2	throstur: while we are waiting, you wanna post your fstab?
2023-07-30 13:48:18	throstur	Im booting the live cd
2023-07-30 13:49:37	throstur	ok, im in live cd, I need to chroot and then mkinitcpio like in the setup?
2023-07-30 13:49:44	jl2	yes
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2023-07-30 13:50:06	jl2	but mount the efi partition too!!!
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2023-07-30 13:53:07	throstur	I mounted both partitions, but I get an error on mkinitcpio, /lib/modules/6.4.3-arch1-1 is not a valid kernel module directory
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2023-07-30 13:53:40	jl2	pacman -Qs kernel? what version?
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2023-07-30 13:54:14	ℹ 	ayusta es conocido ahora como ayustae
2023-07-30 13:54:28	throstur	6.4.6
2023-07-30 13:54:54	throstur	should I try to pacstrap?
2023-07-30 13:54:56	throstur	from live cd
2023-07-30 13:54:58	jl2	no
2023-07-30 13:55:03	jl2	pacman -Syu
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2023-07-30 13:55:15	throstur	but there is no internet
2023-07-30 13:55:18	Scimmia	just reinstall the kernel
2023-07-30 13:55:30	teraflops	you have to reinstall the kernel but be sure you mounted /boot before
2023-07-30 13:55:34	teraflops	that
2023-07-30 13:55:34	throstur	Scimmia how do I do this from the live cd?
2023-07-30 13:55:36	jl2	the pacman -U command from above
2023-07-30 13:55:42	throstur	ok
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2023-07-30 13:55:57	Scimmia	no, just pacman -S <package>
2023-07-30 13:56:22	Scimmia	-U will work, but unnecessary
2023-07-30 13:56:28	jl2	yeah right, i forgot, Scimmia
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2023-07-30 13:57:49	throstur	so now reboot or mkinitcpioo again
2023-07-30 13:57:54	jl2	reboot
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2023-07-30 13:58:57	throstur	problem resolved!!! thank you so much guys
2023-07-30 13:59:02	jl2	no not yet
2023-07-30 13:59:08	jl2	post your fstab
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2023-07-30 13:59:15	throstur	ok gimme a min
2023-07-30 13:59:24	throstur	ill be late for lunch hope the warders dont realize lol
2023-07-30 13:59:35	jl2	'cause else you'll get the same problem again
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2023-07-30 15:23:45	heythere221	jelle: Do i have to install that from https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/platform/x86/msi-ec.c ?
2023-07-30 15:23:52	jelle	heythere221: no
2023-07-30 15:25:23	jelle	it should be in 6.4. Might be worth finding out why your laptop doens't support it
2023-07-30 15:26:00	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-07-30 15:26:19	heythere221	jelle: probably cause I'm on 5.15 :)
2023-07-30 15:26:23	heythere221	My bad lol
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2023-07-30 15:26:27	jelle	heythere221: what the fuck
2023-07-30 15:26:42	jelle	there is no 5.15 in Arch Linux
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2023-07-30 15:27:45	heythere221	jelle: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/linux-lts515
2023-07-30 15:27:50	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - linux-lts515 (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2023-07-30 15:27:59	jelle	heythere221: why are you running such an outdated kernel O_O
2023-07-30 15:29:26	heythere221	jelle: Cause I had issues playing a game lmao. Whenever I used my dedicated GPU the whole system froze after sometime. I figured out that downgrading would fix the issue. I know a very bad method xD
2023-07-30 15:29:44	heythere221	It's probably because of my wifi killer card need to change it. Not sure tho.
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2023-07-30 15:30:24	heythere221	jelle: Just switched to linux 5 months ago?
2023-07-30 15:30:36	heythere221	still figuring stuff out 
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2023-07-30 15:30:59	jelle	heythere221: alright, well hopefully setting a charge limit will work whenever you switch to 6.4 :)
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2023-07-30 15:31:42	heythere221	jelle: Thx:)
2023-07-30 15:32:11	heythere221	Where do I actually set the change limit after upgrading? Is there an article about that?
2023-07-30 15:33:21	jelle	heythere221: for example like https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Laptop/ASUS#Battery_charge_threshold
2023-07-30 15:33:22	phrik	Title: Laptop/ASUS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-07-30 15:34:38	heythere221	jelle: Aah okay! Thx:) I'm getting 6.4 now;)
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2023-07-30 17:06:07	stef204	gehidore:any chance you might take a look at my post(s) in #archlinux-newbie regarding disk cloning? You had given me good feedback a while back and now that I'm ready to clone, I found out that clning from an HDD with 4096 sector size to an SDD with a 512 sector size not really recommended.
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2023-07-30 17:06:50	stef204	I can repost is here, I suppose
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2023-07-30 17:07:31	stef204	it's too long; best to check the newbie channel, if you can. thanks.
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2023-07-30 17:32:11	stef204	However, when I do a "fdisk -l" the description of the SSD includes "I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes" where, for example, on my HDD, the same description is: "I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes".
2023-07-30 17:32:18	stef204	I am trying to get this right in terms of efficiency, the amount of data is about 700 GBs.... so don't want ot make it slower than I need to.
2023-07-30 17:32:25	stef204	Also, looks like cloning from the HDD with a 4096 logical sector size to an SSD with a logical sector size of 512 is going to be a problem https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Disk_cloning
2023-07-30 17:32:26	phrik	Title: Disk cloning - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-30 17:32:34	stef204	The wiki here suggests recreating the partitions on the new SSD and then, dd the paritions instead of the full drive?  So instead of dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdc it would be: "dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdc1" (etc.)
2023-07-30 17:32:42	stef204	Anyone here has experience with this? 
2023-07-30 17:32:52	stef204	reading a few comments online, like here https://superuser.com/questions/920675/512b-to-4kib-advanced-format-hdd-cloning-with-dd?rq=1 I "think" that the following could apply in my situation.
2023-07-30 17:32:53	phrik	Title: hard drive - 512B to 4KiB (Advanced Format) HDD cloning with dd - Super User (at superuser.com)
2023-07-30 17:33:00	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-07-30 17:33:00	stef204	The command I am considering using is (as root): "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdc ibs=4096 obs=512 conv=nosync,noerror,notrunc iflag=fullblock status=progress"
2023-07-30 17:33:08	stef204	If anyone can comment... would be helpful.  Also, I don't know (but will check further) if any of those options or flags on the dd command might conflict with one another; especially the "fullblock"
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2023-07-30 17:38:25	ectospasm	stef204: why are you using conv=?  You shouldn't need to do that in most cases (conv= means conversion, IIRC)
2023-07-30 17:39:14	rcf	ectospasm: it's used for conversions, but also for useful IO flags. 
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2023-07-30 17:40:02	stef204	it's recommended in the wiki here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dd#Cloning_a_partition
2023-07-30 17:40:04	phrik	Title: dd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-07-30 17:42:45	stef204	the ibs=4096 (HDD logical sector size) obs=512 (SDD logical sector size) is my effort to resolve the different sector sizes between the 2 disks. I'm a bit uncertain whether the iflag=fullblock conflicts with that or not, is it needed, etc.  This is my production box so sensitive, I want to get it right and boot right up when I swap the HDD out for the SSD
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2023-07-30 17:43:40	stef204	And I definitely want to avoid having to do one partition at a time, instead of the full device, if that's at all posible
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2023-07-30 17:45:03	ectospasm	stef204: also, choosing ibs and obs as the default block sizes for both disks will make the dd copy really slow.  You may want to add 'K' or 'M' to those values.  Though the actual filesystems on sda will still have whatever block size they have encoded in them
2023-07-30 17:45:50	ectospasm	And what is your reasoning for making the ibs and obs different?  That seems weird to me.
2023-07-30 17:46:42	ectospasm	It isn't usually necessary, either.
2023-07-30 17:48:01	stef204	the reasoning is what you see in the NOTE here  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Disk_cloning
2023-07-30 17:48:02	phrik	Title: Disk cloning - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-30 17:48:46	stef204	plus some comments from users on stackexchange, etc. (about the mismatching of sector size between 2 different disks)
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2023-07-30 17:49:24	stef204	And you can also see this:  https://superuser.com/questions/920675/512b-to-4kib-advanced-format-hdd-cloning-with-dd?rq=1
2023-07-30 17:49:25	phrik	Title: hard drive - 512B to 4KiB (Advanced Format) HDD cloning with dd - Super User (at superuser.com)
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2023-07-30 17:49:27	ectospasm	Ahh, I see.  That makes sense, I don't usually do this sort of operation.
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2023-07-30 17:50:27	ectospasm	stef204: you might be better off recreating the partition table and filesystems by hand, and then copying data over.
2023-07-30 17:50:36	ectospasm	Is there a reason you don't want to do that?
2023-07-30 17:50:58	ectospasm	dd is fairly low level, with such different disks.
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2023-07-30 17:51:46	ectospasm	Also, if /dev/sda is in use, a dd might not succeed anyway.
2023-07-30 17:52:04	stef204	but yes there is, the gian PITA it is as I have a lot of partitions on HDD including an extended parition with logical drives, etc.  AND the conversion from 4096 to 512 -- not really sure how that would work and I think this would be prone to error (due to my scant knowledge of physical drive characteristics, sectors, etc.)
2023-07-30 17:52:21	stef204	I will do this from an Arch Live ISO
2023-07-30 17:52:27	stef204	nothing will be mounted
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2023-07-30 17:52:41	stef204	so that's not a problem (the mounting you refer to above)
2023-07-30 17:53:25	ectospasm	So, your existing HDD has an MBR partition with primary, extended, and logical partitions?  Might be a good time to switch to GPT on the new disk.
2023-07-30 17:54:17	ectospasm	I'm just thinking your desire to go with the quick and easy path isn't so easy, when you get down to it.
2023-07-30 17:54:31	stef204	And this is not about "data" -- it is about cloning everything, data + filesystems + permissions, extended permissinos, acl, whataver else.  A complete duplicate is what is needed. Then remove HDD, replace with SDD and boot right up.
2023-07-30 17:54:35	stef204	that's the goal
2023-07-30 17:55:16	teraflops	are both disks the same size?
2023-07-30 17:55:21	ectospasm	You have extended permissions, and ACLs, and fs attributes?
2023-07-30 17:56:04	ectospasm	teraflops: they have different logical sector sizes, so that complicates this operation.
2023-07-30 17:56:05	MacGyver	Set up GPT on the new disk, make the partitions large enough to contain the data of the old disk, pipe over the bytes of the highest level block device (right under the filesystem).
2023-07-30 17:56:23	teraflops	I'm not talking about sector
2023-07-30 17:56:30	teraflops	sectors*
2023-07-30 17:56:41	stef204	no, HDD is 700 GBs and SDD is 1TB
2023-07-30 17:56:51	teraflops	ok
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2023-07-30 17:57:10	ectospasm	So with a dd you'll be losing about 300G of the SSD, seems a huge price to pay for this operation.
2023-07-30 17:57:13	MacGyver	The time spent discussing this operation has now already surpassed the time finetuning the dd blocksize parameter might have ever gained.
2023-07-30 17:57:22	teraflops	rsync can copy ACLs and FS attributes too
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2023-07-30 17:57:52	stef204	I don't care about losing 300 GB.  Once it is all done, I can create an additional partition or increase one of the partitions
2023-07-30 17:58:06	stef204	no rsync
2023-07-30 17:58:32	teraflops	and it you are going to switch from mbr to gpt I'd recommend rsync over dd
2023-07-30 17:58:36	teraflops	it/if
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2023-07-30 17:58:56	stef204	I'm not going to switch to GPT
2023-07-30 17:59:14	teraflops	ok your goat your rules
2023-07-30 17:59:35	ectospasm	!try
2023-07-30 17:59:35	phrik	For god's sake, just try it already!
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2023-07-30 18:00:29	stef204	It's just because I am not familiar with GPT, I am with MBR and I don't want to add the added complexity lf learning GPT at the moment, although I realize at some point I'll  have to us e GPT (on my next box maybe, I don't know)
2023-07-30 18:00:49	stef204	s/lf/of
2023-07-30 18:00:59	ectospasm	GPT is actually much simpler than MBR
2023-07-30 18:01:08	ectospasm	No such thing as an extended partition in GPT.
2023-07-30 18:01:12	stef204	yeah, for you who understand it ;)
2023-07-30 18:01:19	ectospasm	And you can have up to 128 partitions.
2023-07-30 18:01:25	ectospasm	Not that difficult to understand.
2023-07-30 18:01:25	stef204	I know it's superior, clearly to MBR
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2023-07-30 18:01:43	ectospasm	You can try your dd, but when it doesn't work you'll need to think of an alternative.
2023-07-30 18:01:57	Ennea	how do you expect to "learn" GPT? there's not much to it. you aren't gonna write the partition table by hand, are you?
2023-07-30 18:02:11	teraflops	^^
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2023-07-30 18:02:20	⚡ 	rcf throws his UEFI specification PDFs at Ennea and teraflops
2023-07-30 18:02:37	rcf	Some people are indeed so insane!
2023-07-30 18:03:10	⚡ 	teraflops jumps and picks the paper like a frisbee
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2023-07-30 18:03:31	rcf	Of course if you don't need to have a large disk, or many partitions, or modern firmware MBR is fine. 
2023-07-30 18:04:08	stef204	MBR is fine for my current purpose.  I believe at some point it is possible to convert to GPTm if I remember correctly
2023-07-30 18:04:40	stef204	anyway, MBR Vs. GPT is not the issue here.  And that's an argument I lose, I am aware of that,
2023-07-30 18:04:45	mpan	One advantage of GPT is that partitions can have labels.
2023-07-30 18:04:54	stef204	MBR as well
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2023-07-30 18:07:21	mpan	stef204: you can’t have partition labels in MBR.
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2023-07-30 18:08:01	stef204	I have plenty
2023-07-30 18:08:07	stef204	but that's not the topic
2023-07-30 18:08:13	rcf	You can have filesystem labels, not partition labels 
2023-07-30 18:08:16	mpan	stef204: I highly doubt that. How did you set them?
2023-07-30 18:08:19	rcf	But the difference doesn't matter for most people. 
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2023-07-30 18:08:41	stef204	Oh OK then, they might be filesystem labels then
2023-07-30 18:08:58	stef204	I used gparted to set them
2023-07-30 18:09:04	stef204	works like a charm
2023-07-30 18:09:11	rcf	It's just a matter of whether you use LABEL or PARTLABEL when trying to use a persistent name 
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2023-07-30 18:09:30	stef204	OK
2023-07-30 18:10:23	stef204	Anyway, I could try my dd command above -- my only reservation is that I won't be able to use my box at all, since I will be doing this from an Arch live iso, and this could take who knows how long.....
2023-07-30 18:10:34	stef204	which is another reason I was trying to "fine tune it
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2023-07-30 18:13:39	ectospasm	yeah, that's why I recommended larger ibs and obs
2023-07-30 18:13:52	ectospasm	Otherwise it will be really slow.
2023-07-30 18:15:11	ectospasm	the way you have it (ibs=4096 and obs=512), it will write four blocks for every block of input.
2023-07-30 18:15:17	ectospasm	8 blocks, not 4
2023-07-30 18:15:54	teraflops	rsync is faster and avoids the block size issue
2023-07-30 18:16:37	stef204	rsync is not at all what I want
2023-07-30 18:16:40	stef204	but thanks
2023-07-30 18:17:33	ectospasm	I think your desire to reduce how much work you want to do will backfire when the dd doesn't work.
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2023-07-30 18:17:57	chromas	the block size isn't related to the sector size as far as I know; it just affects the size of the buffer that it uses for each copy operation
2023-07-30 18:18:02	teraflops	you can just dd the mbr which is almost 1 second ;)
2023-07-30 18:18:37	chromas	the arch wiki page you linnked to specifically says you'll need to recreate the partition table if you're moving to a device with smaller sectors
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2023-07-30 18:19:56	ectospasm	So you might as well go with GPT, and dd each individual partition
2023-07-30 18:20:37	ectospasm	Either way, you're desire to clone with one command and be done is fraught with peril.
2023-07-30 18:20:54	stef204	thanks for the feedback
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2023-07-30 18:23:35	ectospasm	But yeah, try it and see, you might just get lucky.
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2023-07-30 18:24:56	teraflops	I do not care that much on the topic, you are asking for advice but when your solution looks uncertain and people is offering other solutions you just say 'no' I do not want that w/o arguing it
2023-07-30 18:25:33	ectospasm	you can always !bail
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2023-07-30 18:25:52	teraflops	nah it's ok 
2023-07-30 18:26:29	chromas	 I used to use dcfldd for writing ISOs. It's like dd but has progress by default and automatically picked a decent block size. Now I just use cp :D
2023-07-30 18:28:40	teraflops	you can even use cat ;)
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2023-07-30 18:29:25	chromas	I did that once, over ssh, on a PC that couldn't hold another drive
2023-07-30 18:30:43	chromas	I couldn't get rsync or anything else to work because they insisted they couldn't work with device nodes. Listen here, buddy, this is my foot and I'll set myself up for shooting if I wanna!
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2023-07-30 18:32:54	ectospasm	When I saw,"...this is my foot..." I totally thought you were gonna say something else.
2023-07-30 18:33:31	chromas	Well I don't want to get kicked just yet
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2023-07-30 18:38:21	chromas	When I get kicked, I want it to be for something good, like saying the Gentoo wiki is better, or maybe suggesting that the systemd journal be stored in XML
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2023-07-30 18:40:26	ℹ 	linuxbud es conocido ahora como HumanLove
2023-07-30 18:40:30	lavaball	since i did pacman -Syu i have to wait until the task is done before i can type in the next one in bash. sounds weird, but mounting stuff takes a moment and while it does that i already type in the next thing and hit enter, but if i'm fast enough to type while it's still doing something the command i typed in blind so to speak gets ignore. wasn't like that before i updated. isn't like that on
2023-07-30 18:40:30	lavaball	void. have no other comparison right now. anyway, i 
2023-07-30 18:40:31	lavaball	solved it by typing everything at once and instead of enter i go with && and one enter at the end. is there a way to get the old behavior back?
2023-07-30 18:40:47	ℹ 	HumanLove es conocido ahora como Gnana
2023-07-30 18:41:23	chromas	You did a reboot after the upgrade, right?
2023-07-30 18:41:38	lavaball	haha, yeah. on two different machines, same behavior.
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2023-07-30 18:42:15	chromas	Interesting. I think I had an issue like that awhile back, but I don't recall what solved it. Hasn't happened recently
2023-07-30 18:42:21	⚡ 	chromas tries updating now
2023-07-30 18:43:28	chromas	or I guess I misread. I thought you meant there's always a pause after typing. I just need to read the whole message instead of skimming
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2023-07-30 18:43:57	lavaball	happens to the best of us.
2023-07-30 18:44:34	chromas	Does that happen with any command that takes awhile, or is it a specific one?
2023-07-30 18:46:26	Namarrgon	which terminal and shell are you testing with?
2023-07-30 18:46:31	chromas	I can't think of any reason other than maybe some program trying to be clever and eating the buffer if it detects an enter/newline if it thinks that will save you from accidentally entering a command
2023-07-30 18:46:35	Namarrgon	what was updated during that -Syu?
2023-07-30 18:46:36	lavaball	with all of them. i have a tmux thing where i send-keys and it'sa bunch of commands. from ip r a to wg stuff, mount, all kinds of things. mostly sudo though. but no, that's not it a ./script also didn't run
2023-07-30 18:47:03	lavaball	pffffffffffff all kinds of stuff. that waas this morning. i don't know.
2023-07-30 18:47:17	Namarrgon	then look at the log
2023-07-30 18:47:23	chromas	Does it happen outside of tmux?
2023-07-30 18:47:24	lavaball	there is a log?
2023-07-30 18:47:38	Namarrgon	pacman -v
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2023-07-30 18:49:13	lavaball	i guess i destroyed it. this is all that's in it: 
2023-07-30 18:49:13	lavaball	 6:40:47 PM * HumanLove is now known as Gnana
2023-07-30 18:49:20	lavaball	oh. wrong paste. soryr.
2023-07-30 18:49:28	lavaball	[2023-07-30T09:27:14+0200] [PACMAN] Running 'pacman --sync -c -c --' 
2023-07-30 18:49:30	mefistofeles	lol
2023-07-30 18:49:30	lavaball	this one.
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2023-07-30 18:50:42	Namarrgon	what is the modification time on that file?
2023-07-30 18:51:02	Namarrgon	is this arch linux?
2023-07-30 18:51:12	lavaball	what? 
2023-07-30 18:51:21	Namarrgon	are you using arch or one of the spins?
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2023-07-30 18:51:41	lavaball	Linux marlies 6.4.6-hardened1-1-hardened #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue, 25 Jul 2023 12:06:16 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2023-07-30 18:51:53	lavaball	-rw-r--r-- 1 root root     69 Jul 30 09:27 pacman.log
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2023-07-30 18:56:30	TigerPro	my samsung g9 via DP on a 3090 wont wake from dpms, have to switch tty then back to wake. i made a workaround that calls xrandr a few seconds after wake event. does anyone know what the root cause might be?
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2023-07-30 19:12:22	chromas	lavaball: looks like sudo eats any unconsumed input when it exits. I tested with "sudo sleep 2" followed by "ls" while that was running
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2023-07-30 19:16:01	chromas	TigerPro: so the monitor doesn't wake when your PC does, but an xrandr command works? What's your desktop environment and/or window manager?
2023-07-30 19:16:37	TigerPro	yes, exactly. im using bspwm
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2023-07-30 19:22:05	TigerPro	my script waits about 3 seconds after xset -q returns "Monitor is On", sends xrandr --output X --mode Y --rate Z, and that wakes it. but im still curious the root cause
2023-07-30 19:22:36	TigerPro	is the wake timing an EDID thing?
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2023-07-30 19:24:47	lavaball	chromas, you are on fire my dude. that seems to be the issue. wasn't an issue a while ago though. and i guess that' why i didn't notice on void, since there i use doas. 
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2023-07-30 19:25:20	chromas	I don't know. I found a couple threads on the web from years ago where people had the same problem. Some were using Intel graphics. One person had a particular program (mons) that appeared to be causing the issue. You probably already came across those though
2023-07-30 19:26:14	chromas	lavaball: sweet
2023-07-30 19:26:29	chromas	I hadn't heard of doas before but it's right there in the extra repo
2023-07-30 19:27:04	lavaball	doesn't work with paru.
2023-07-30 19:28:09	lavaball	i have it on archarm though. 
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2023-07-30 19:36:34	chromas	TigerPro: there's a tool called xset which can control the dpms options. It's possible something is turning it off. Try "xset +dpms" and then see what happens when you try to wake it
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2023-07-30 19:38:01	chromas	I'm not sure how to read any of the values it lets you set though, to see what they currently are
2023-07-30 19:39:32	TigerPro	`xset q | grep DPMS` tells me its on
2023-07-30 19:40:11	TigerPro	https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html i think ill try this next
2023-07-30 19:40:13	phrik	Title: Linux: ACPI: Fix problems with Suspend, Resume, and Missing devices using acpi_osi= (at iam.tj)
2023-07-30 19:41:13	chromas	ah, q is the option. Thanks!
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2023-07-30 19:42:18	Narrat	Hi. Is there a way to get the output of systemd-sysusers? Run pacman and noticed after a while that it still was at the sysuser hook. Running systemd-sysuser manually I only get a cpu at 100% but no message whatsoever and it doesn't exit.
2023-07-30 19:42:25	chromas	I wonder if something is turned it off for you. Maybe you can have your workaround check that (and log it somewhere I guess) before it wakes your monitor
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2023-07-30 19:43:41	TigerPro	yeah thats a good idea
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2023-07-30 19:52:29	chromas	Narrat: I don't see a way to get output, but you might peek at the journal and look for anything suspicious
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2023-07-30 19:54:36	chromas	I just gave it a try. No lockup, and the only errors were about dbus-org.freedesktop.home1.service not existing
2023-07-30 19:55:59	chromas	It does seem like that caused me trouble in the past. I think I disabled the systemd-home stuff somewhere to fix it. It was so long ago
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2023-07-30 20:03:46	Narrat	chromas: Nothing in the journal. Curious. I wonder what happened. Well, I guess I need to take a look at users/groups and the sysuser confs if there is something odd
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2023-07-31 14:32:31	jelle	I just use it to automatically my desktop when it is at home, so if it's stolen you won't be able to unlock it. It's a bit of a different security method
2023-07-31 14:38:06	jelle	bf_: so you'd want a trusted network to work with
2023-07-31 14:43:55	bf_	makes sense
2023-07-31 14:43:57	bf_	thanks
2023-07-31 14:55:00	haroon	hello everyone which aur helper is recommended most stable?
2023-07-31 14:55:11	haroon	meaning pacman wrapper
2023-07-31 14:56:37	alad	none, all are unsupported
2023-07-31 14:57:31	haroon	I know that, but I still want to use one for convinince. Last time I used a pacman wrapper was yaourt like 10 years ago, but thats seems no longer available
2023-07-31 14:57:59	alad	then you should do some research
2023-07-31 14:59:07	haroon	I did look into https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR_helpers  however I just wanted to know if there was a prefered wrapper which people like/use
2023-07-31 14:59:09	phrik	Title: AUR helpers - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-31 15:00:06	ponies	yeah lol because alad wrote one 
2023-07-31 15:00:08	alad	if you must take one, dont take one which is compiled and links against libalpm - or you'll have problems down the road when pacman is upgraded
2023-07-31 15:00:14	alad	ponies: when did I write a pacman wrapper
2023-07-31 15:00:24	ponies	you didnt write one? :\
2023-07-31 15:00:32	alad	I've reached many lows in my life, but writing a pacman wrapper is not one of them
2023-07-31 15:01:03	ponies	didnt mean to accuse you of anyting
2023-07-31 15:01:06	gromit	!grab alad
2023-07-31 15:01:06	phrik	gromit: Bingpot!
2023-07-31 15:01:13	Khorne	alad, isn't one of them *yet*
2023-07-31 15:01:17	alad	Khorne: rip
2023-07-31 15:01:20	MacGyver	ponies: I think it's important to realize the distinction between a pacman wrapper and an aur helper.
2023-07-31 15:01:28	alad	ponies: alles gut
2023-07-31 15:01:54	ponies	so he did lol\
2023-07-31 15:02:21	haroon	alad: I'll go with yay, then since it's onlye dependency seems to be go
2023-07-31 15:02:22	alad	see how many people left after aur helpers were mentioned
2023-07-31 15:02:24	alad	it was like 300
2023-07-31 15:02:31	alad	haroon: yay is compiled
2023-07-31 15:02:51	alad	use what you like but don't complain when things break
2023-07-31 15:03:40	ponies	they always break ^ 
2023-07-31 15:03:50	Khorne	broken is the default state of things
2023-07-31 15:04:31	alad	ponies: well helpers breaking is fine and the normal state of things, helpers breaking the rest of your system is not
2023-07-31 15:05:17	ponies	i agree. the fact they would interfere with pacman is definitely bad 
2023-07-31 15:06:00	Khorne	alad, dont forget about helpers breaking the AUR itself
2023-07-31 15:06:08	alad	Khorne: rip true
2023-07-31 15:06:22	alad	this is the next level
2023-07-31 15:16:02	ponies	how does a pacman helper break aur ? 
2023-07-31 15:17:50	BrainDamage	they flooded the aur with garbage queries, creating a ddos from unknowing users
2023-07-31 15:21:54	haroon	I only need/want aur package because of my razer mouse/keyboard they dont seem to be configurable with the toll in the arch repo, but installing other aur packages seems like a futile mission...
2023-07-31 15:44:12	ariadnavigo	haroon: why not just grab the PKGBUILD and do it manually if it's just that only package?
2023-07-31 15:45:45	ariadnavigo	(just as a side-note, the only AUR setup I find "saner" is aurutils, precisely because it's not an "AUR helper")
2023-07-31 15:45:50	haroon	I did that, all the tools for razor seem trash tbh. I uninstalled all and also uninstalled yay
2023-07-31 15:57:38	astralc	aurutils is aur unhelper
2023-07-31 15:58:13	luigibu	is there a way to install aws-okta-processor on arch?
2023-07-31 16:03:58	akerl	Probably like this: https://github.com/godaddy/aws-okta-processor#installation
2023-07-31 16:05:09	jelle	luigibu: make an AUR package
2023-07-31 16:23:59	akegalj	hi. Is there a way to run startx and pass in xinitrc file path? I know startx will try to find a file in ~/.xinitrc and run that as init script, but I would like to move this file to different path (without creating a symlink) and do `startx myPath/xinitrc` . Can this be done?
2023-07-31 16:24:48	ursa	akegalj: startx is just a script, you can edit it
2023-07-31 16:25:24	akegalj	ursa: wow, didn't know that. That fixes my problem. Thanks!
2023-07-31 16:28:07	ursa	you can probably just edit that one line that sets the userrc to instead use some default value if no argument is given to startx, and to use $1 if an argument is given to startx
2023-07-31 16:28:30	ursa	I didn't test it, but it should work
2023-07-31 16:28:43	ursa	why do you want to move xinitrc anyway? and why avoid symlinks?
2023-07-31 16:29:30	alad	> To  determine  the  client  to run, startx first checks the environment variable XINITRC for a filename. 
2023-07-31 16:29:32	akegalj	ursa: I wish it was that simple. I am on nixos so there is a bit more work involved in this environment with patching the script... but yes, in arch should be very straightforward (my arch machine died last month :( )
2023-07-31 16:29:54	alad	so instead of editing, you'd do XINITRC=/your/face/is/bloat.rc startx ...
2023-07-31 16:30:33	ursa	alad: no XINITRC on nixos, probably
2023-07-31 16:30:35	haroon	i looked into aurutils and it seems like the better option compared to pacman wrappers like yay
2023-07-31 16:31:12	alad	things that don't wrap pacman tend to be more advisable than things that do
2023-07-31 16:31:14	akegalj	alad: there is no XINITRC mention in startx (at least not in nixos)
2023-07-31 16:31:26	alad	see this old post: http://jasonwryan.com/blog/2013/04/09/helpers/
2023-07-31 16:31:27	phrik	Title: AUR Helpers - jasonwryan.com (at jasonwryan.com)
2023-07-31 16:31:33	alad	akegalj: guess what, this is the support channel for arch
2023-07-31 16:32:11	akegalj	alad: I know, as I am also arch user as well ... and this is a low level thing so I though it must be similar
2023-07-31 16:32:47	alad	unless nixos uses a startx from 30 years ago or somehow disallows to pass environment variables to external programs, it should work
2023-07-31 16:33:36	akegalj	I am going to try ... be right back (my X is going to die now so irc client will die too)
2023-07-31 16:41:13	akegalj	:/ I have closed irc client and forgot what was the environment variable to change startx init file?
2023-07-31 16:42:05	akegalj	please if someone can find it few minutes ago and paste it here. I was unable to find public #archlinux irc logs (if they are hosted anywhere) to find it myself
2023-07-31 16:43:03	grazzolini	akegalj: man startx
2023-07-31 16:43:04	Namarrgon	man xinit
2023-07-31 16:43:31	akegalj	Namarrgon: thanks... 
2023-07-31 16:43:35	grazzolini	Namarrgon: xinit doesn't have it
2023-07-31 16:43:40	akegalj	grazzolini: man startx doesn't have it
2023-07-31 16:43:55	grazzolini	akegalj: it most certainly does
2023-07-31 16:43:59	Namarrgon	https://man.archlinux.org/man/extra/xorg-xinit/xinit.1.en#XINITRC
2023-07-31 16:44:00	phrik	Title: xinit(1) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2023-07-31 16:44:06	Namarrgon	i don't have arch here to check
2023-07-31 16:44:12	jkc	Is this nixos or arch or what?
2023-07-31 16:44:26	Namarrgon	are we fixing nixos?
2023-07-31 16:44:29	Namarrgon	eww
2023-07-31 16:44:55	grazzolini	Namarrgon: you're correct, the xinit man page has it at the bottom
2023-07-31 16:45:06	grazzolini	the startx mentions it in the beginning
2023-07-31 16:45:22	akegalj	ahyway... it worked. Thanks all for help. I think many users of nixos are also users of arch... and this question is non os related
2023-07-31 16:45:35	Namarrgon	there's #linux for that
2023-07-31 16:45:42	jkc	akegalj: !arch = off-topic
2023-07-31 16:46:11	akegalj	Namarrgon: jkc: right
2023-07-31 16:46:27	akegalj	thanks for help
2023-07-31 16:46:48	grazzolini	I'm now curious to why nixos man page doesn't have it
2023-07-31 16:48:10	Namarrgon	the startx script is a bit yucky, i would understand if a distro ships their own
2023-07-31 16:53:02	ursa	every distro has their own startx script
2023-07-31 16:53:07	ursa	and they are all terrible
2023-07-31 16:53:09	grazzolini	Namarrgon: agreed
2023-07-31 16:53:22	grazzolini	ursa: don't know about that
2023-07-31 16:53:25	alad	arch has sx
2023-07-31 16:54:02	alad	which is good but still bad because it needs to coax xinit into submission
2023-07-31 16:54:03	jelle	ursa: startx is a binary from xorg-xinit so no?
2023-07-31 16:54:14	jelle	(X is deprecated either way)
2023-07-31 16:54:20	alad	jelle is deprecated
2023-07-31 16:54:34	jelle	oi
2023-07-31 16:58:32	ursa	jelle: startx is a script
2023-07-31 16:58:39	Julius_Longmind	Hi @ll!
2023-07-31 16:59:03	Julius_Longmind	I have a multiseat setup box and I get the following error:
2023-07-31 16:59:08	Julius_Longmind	pam_systemd(sddm:session): Failed to create session: TTY tty1 is virtual console but seat seat1 is not seat0
2023-07-31 16:59:42	jelle	ursa: right
2023-07-31 16:59:53	jelle	Julius_Longmind: after upgrading systemd or?
2023-07-31 17:00:56	krumelmonster	Is there an easy way to shrink an ext4 on luks on lvm?
2023-07-31 17:01:30	Julius_Longmind	jelle: hundreds of package has been upgraded, but systemd certainly is updated.
2023-07-31 17:02:14	Namarrgon	krumelmonster: is luks inside of lvm or the other way around?
2023-07-31 17:02:39	jelle	Julius_Longmind: wonder if it's https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/28512
2023-07-31 17:03:32	krumelmonster	Namarrgon: lvm is the outermost
2023-07-31 17:04:02	Namarrgon	krumelmonster: then you need to do this manually, stepy by step, from the inside working your way to the outside
2023-07-31 17:04:22	alad	like a reverse onion
2023-07-31 17:04:27	Namarrgon	shrink the fs. then the luks container, then the lv
2023-07-31 17:04:39	krumelmonster	:(
2023-07-31 17:04:54	Namarrgon	or back it up and redo the whole thing
2023-07-31 17:05:24	alad	Namarrgon: what about lvreduce --resizefs
2023-07-31 17:05:34	Namarrgon	that doesn't understand luks
2023-07-31 17:05:50	alad	nice
2023-07-31 17:05:51	Namarrgon	it will just chop off the end of the luks containter, and the fs inside it
2023-07-31 17:06:42	Sacha	hey, I'm stucked on twinkle with wrong pgp key on the ccrtp depedency 
2023-07-31 17:06:52	Julius_Longmind	jelle: Well, I think it doesn't fit my case.
2023-07-31 17:06:58	Namarrgon	what's a twinkle?
2023-07-31 17:07:10	Sacha	a sip client in c
2023-07-31 17:07:32	Sacha	an arch package :)
2023-07-31 17:07:33	Namarrgon	are you building an arch package?
2023-07-31 17:08:23	Namarrgon	was the upstream gpg key imported into the user's keyring?
2023-07-31 17:08:54	rcf	mpan: I TOLD YOU SO 
2023-07-31 17:09:50	Sacha	https://pastebin.aquilenet.fr/?d7c84e0f3c26a3ab#3p5ra5UtiBncigwkQtJtHY4aQ7k5n3WvvirkS4fKj2Fx
2023-07-31 17:09:52	phrik	Title: paste.aquilenet.fr (at pastebin.aquilenet.fr)
2023-07-31 17:10:39	Sacha	I got unknow key for B1732A9CB37C87BA
2023-07-31 17:11:37	Namarrgon	prepend LC_ALL=C.utf8 to the command
2023-07-31 17:11:59	Scimmia	Sacha: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_User_Repository#Acquire_a_PGP_public_key_if_needed
2023-07-31 17:12:01	phrik	Title: Arch User Repository - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-07-31 17:18:23	krumelmonster	`resize2fs /dev/mapper/crypt 100G && cryptsetup resize /dev/mapper/crypt` seems to have worked but how do I reduce the lv to the size of the luks?
2023-07-31 17:20:03	krumelmonster	oh no it did not shrink it
2023-07-31 17:20:36	Namarrgon	shrink the fs a bit smaller than the target size, ~10%
2023-07-31 17:21:40	Namarrgon	make sure you don't mix up the units, e.g GB vs GiB
2023-07-31 17:24:33	krumelmonster	`resize2fs /dev/mapper/crypt 100G && cryptsetup resize --device-size 100G /dev/mapper/crypt && lvresize -L 150G crypt && cryptsetup resize /dev/mapper/crypt && resize2fs /dev/mapper/crypt`
2023-07-31 17:24:42	krumelmonster	now it's 150G but that's ok as well
2023-07-31 17:24:56	Sacha	Scimmia I have to compile the package ?
2023-07-31 17:28:00	Namarrgon	this is the AUR, yes you have to compile it. but before that you need to import the public key of the upstream maintainer.
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2023-07-31 17:44:56	tusko	I'm trying to get an LTE Modem up and running on my computer. It seems to seem the modem, and NetworkManager confirmed the APN I was looking at
2023-07-31 17:45:13	tusko	my error is error: couldn't connect the modem: 'GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.ModemManager1.Error.Core.Retry: Invalid transition'
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2023-07-31 18:35:57	[-_-]	Hiiii
2023-07-31 18:36:05	rcf	!welcome
2023-07-31 18:36:06	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2023-07-31 18:37:45	[-_-]	is there any way to see how long is left till my ssd goes readonly ?
2023-07-31 18:37:45	[-_-]	I mean my ssd should itself also keep a measure of endurance
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2023-07-31 18:39:58	rcf	[-_-]: SMART can report it as percentage of lifetime used. 
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2023-07-31 18:43:02	mpan	Note that this is percentage of rated lifetime. There is no way to tell, when **or how** a device fails.
2023-07-31 18:43:20	mpan	It may die tommorow with 99.9% lifetime left, it may die 3× after the rated lifetime.
2023-07-31 18:44:17	NoImNotNineVolt	is that how it works?
2023-07-31 18:44:19	rcf	With flash, the upper bound is usually extremely close to the spec. 
2023-07-31 18:44:21	NoImNotNineVolt	honestly, i'd be surprised.
2023-07-31 18:44:36	mpan	NoImNotNineVolt: yes, it is. That’s called probability.
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2023-07-31 18:44:51	mpan	Almost everything in [physical] existence is a subject to it.
2023-07-31 18:45:03	NoImNotNineVolt	mpan: the probability of 99.9% of your nvram cells going bad within 24 hours is infinitesimal.
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2023-07-31 18:45:31	NoImNotNineVolt	ssd failure modes are gradual.
2023-07-31 18:45:38	mpan	NoImNotNineVolt: I never said anything, to which this could be a response.
2023-07-31 18:45:50	NoImNotNineVolt	16:43 < mpan> It may die tommorow with 99.9% lifetime left, it may die 3× after the rated lifetime.
2023-07-31 18:45:53	NoImNotNineVolt	that's what i was responding to.
2023-07-31 18:46:10	mpan	Yes, I know where the “99.9%” comes from. I am not stupid. THe response implies something, I didn’t say.
2023-07-31 18:46:25	NoImNotNineVolt	i don't know how ssds do smart reporting, but i'd be surprised if they didn't take into account the current number of cells marked failed
2023-07-31 18:46:55	NoImNotNineVolt	and so a drive reporting 99.9% would realistically have an overwhelming majority of its cells healthy.
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2023-07-31 18:47:47	NoImNotNineVolt	and having the drive (i.e. overwhelming majority of its cells) fail "tomorrow", i.e. within 24 hours, is improbable.
2023-07-31 18:48:21	NoImNotNineVolt	platter drives are more susceptible for catastrophic failures of that sort. ssds are more prone to gradual degradation.
2023-07-31 18:48:24	mpan	Perhaps, but I do not see how that relates to anything said before you responded.
2023-07-31 18:48:39	mpan	(“perhaps” is not an endorsement of the above; I actually did not waste my time on thinking about it)
2023-07-31 18:49:11	NoImNotNineVolt	i intended my response to relate only to the statement which i quoted and not necessarily to anything said beforehand.
2023-07-31 18:49:17	mpan	But it does not.
2023-07-31 18:49:27	rcf	NoImNotNineVolt: they really are using a simple counter based on rated lifetime, for the most part. A few offer more sophisticated metrics, but most of the logic ends up being applied to the usual SMART failure warnings. 
2023-07-31 18:49:47	NoImNotNineVolt	i tried to explain in excuciating detail how i think it does. if you find my explanation lacking, i'm open to specific criticisms.
2023-07-31 18:50:07	NoImNotNineVolt	rcf: counter per cell, though, no?
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2023-07-31 18:50:41	NoImNotNineVolt	or i guess if that's handled by wear leveling, then there's no need for per-cell stats outside of that
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2023-07-31 18:50:48	rcf	That would be based on wear leveling. 
2023-07-31 18:51:04	mpan	The only thing common in the sentence I said (and the one preceding it, being an integral part giving the context) and yours is that they both talk about SSDs and both use “99.9%”.
2023-07-31 18:51:04	NoImNotNineVolt	i mean, how do you do wear leveling if not by counting writes?
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2023-07-31 18:51:45	NoImNotNineVolt	mpan: can you explain to me the failure mode you envision by which an ssd reporting 99.9% lifetime left can fail tomorrow?
2023-07-31 18:52:07	mpan	NoImNotNineVolt: There is no way to tell, when **************or how************** a device fails.
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2023-07-31 18:52:37	NoImNotNineVolt	that sounds like a no, then
2023-07-31 18:52:43	rcf	NoImNotNineVolt: Going based on rated lifespan is mostly fine, because if you do wear leveling perfectly all of the cells failing within 24hrs is exactly what you want. And flash lifespan has much harder upper limits, not being based on mechanical health but being directly damaged by the erase cycle instead. 
2023-07-31 18:52:45	mpan	No, that sounds like: please read, what is being written.
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2023-07-31 18:53:05	NoImNotNineVolt	what isn't being written is a description of a failure mode by which an ssd reporting 99.9% remaining lifetime can fail tomorrow
2023-07-31 18:53:10	mpan	And stop asking people to waste their time on answering questions, which are of zero relevance.
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2023-07-31 18:53:31	mpan	!bail
2023-07-31 18:53:32	phrik	Looks like mpan is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2023-07-31 18:53:40	NoImNotNineVolt	i agree that a conversation about ssds isn't really ontopic here, though
2023-07-31 18:53:43	rcf	NoImNotNineVolt: hardware/firmware defects
2023-07-31 18:53:45	[-_-]	stoooooooop
2023-07-31 18:54:04	[-_-]	I just want an warning before my ssd goes readonly
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2023-07-31 18:54:16	mpan	[-_-]: there is no such thing.
2023-07-31 18:54:28	rcf	[-_-]: well, smartctl might be able to give you a decent estimate. 
2023-07-31 18:54:28	NoImNotNineVolt	rcf: absolutely. power issues, also. but none of these have anything to do with the typical ssd failure mode of reaching write limits for nvram cells.
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2023-07-31 18:54:45	NoImNotNineVolt	which, i believe in this context, is what was being discussed.
2023-07-31 18:54:49	rcf	NoImNotNineVolt: firmware can absolutely do that, see Samsung's notorious fuckup. 
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2023-07-31 18:55:01	mpan	[-_-]: you may guess based on age and worsening SMART stats. But, as I said, it may die on the zeroth day, it may die 3× after what it would be expected to die at.
2023-07-31 18:55:06	NoImNotNineVolt	rcf: sure, but lightning can do that too.
2023-07-31 18:55:08	[-_-]	mpan: what is such thing? is it that we can't predict when it will go readonly? or is there no readonly, only kaboom?
2023-07-31 18:55:11	rcf	mpan: this is not likely. 
2023-07-31 18:55:13	mpan	This is randomness of natural events, you can’t get around it. You get an estimate.
2023-07-31 18:55:37	[-_-]	mpan: stop using the word "die" 
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2023-07-31 18:55:53	rcf	mpan: with hard drives you can get that kind of extended life, because rewriting is not intrinsically harmful to the media. 
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2023-07-31 18:56:02	rcf	mpan: you will not often see it on flash. 
2023-07-31 18:56:04	NoImNotNineVolt	the idea that you can't predict when an ssd will die _as a result of the typical failure mode, hitting write limits_ is laughable
2023-07-31 18:56:07	[-_-]	what does it mean for an ssd? is it the read only state? or die mean totally dead, non responsive?
2023-07-31 18:56:16	mpan	rcf: that is true. Does that in any way contradict, what I said?
2023-07-31 18:56:17	NoImNotNineVolt	you can't predict when any given cell will die, sure
2023-07-31 18:56:23	mpan	[-_-]: either.
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2023-07-31 18:56:35	NoImNotNineVolt	but you can predict _very_ well how long you have until half your cells die
2023-07-31 18:56:38	rcf	mpan: yes, because you are talking about two events that have vastly different probabilities without properly indicating this. 
2023-07-31 18:56:56	[-_-]	yeah, it can die right now
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2023-07-31 18:57:10	NoImNotNineVolt	if you hit it with a hammer it can die at any time :P
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2023-07-31 18:57:22	mpan	rcf: no matter the variance, there is a non-zero variance. And SSD, nor any other device, will give an indication of an upcoming failure. Going read-only or otherwise.
2023-07-31 18:57:23	⚡ 	NoImNotNineVolt rigs a hammer to an unbiased die
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2023-07-31 18:59:05	mpan	rcf: I am not saying you can’t make an estimate. But that remains a probability distribution. And [-_-] clearly is asking about a more or less specific point in time, so they could be warned about it.
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2023-07-31 18:59:53	mpan	(unless they would say “when the probability exceeds 20%/day” as an example; that would be a valid question, but for it we have no data…)
2023-07-31 18:59:56	[-_-]	I am asking about a purely theoretical thing based on ideal values, it has nothing to do with electro-mechanical failure
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2023-07-31 19:00:11	rcf	[-_-]: then you want percentage of rated lifetime in the SMART data. 
2023-07-31 19:00:22	rcf	!next
2023-07-31 19:00:23	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2023-07-31 19:00:34	mpan	[-_-]: what rcf said, with the note I made: you can’t take it for granted.
2023-07-31 19:00:50	[-_-]	yeah, maybe the manufacturer lied
2023-07-31 19:00:55	mpan	No
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2023-07-31 19:01:02	rcf	Well, that is the most common cause. 
2023-07-31 19:01:03	mpan	That’s how nature works.
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2023-07-31 19:02:49	mpan	I am not denying that some manufacturers may be dishonest, but this is not what I implied. That factor is not needed here. It’s simply is a probabilistic distribution, by the very nature of things.
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2023-07-31 19:03:26	rcf	But how SSDs work modifies the probability distribution (and parameters thereof) you will use.
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2023-07-31 19:03:58	rcf	There comes a point where you may as well suggest that someone encountering a bug wait for cosmic rays to patch it for them. It might happen!
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2023-07-31 19:06:14	mpan	rcf: if somebody tries to make a statement about *absolute* impossibility of this happening? Sure, I will. If somebody completely ignores this is a probabilistic distribution? Sure, I will to depict this fact. It doesn’t matter it’s ultra low probability. If you wish, you may move towards the expected value to get higher probabilities. But that will simply blur the message.
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2023-07-31 19:09:20	[-_-]	lmao rcf 
2023-07-31 19:10:09	rcf	But one may go too far in the opposite direction and start to suggest that the metrics available aren't very good. Which is easier if you're mostly familiar with spinning rust. 
2023-07-31 19:11:20	mpan	I made no statements of this kind.
2023-07-31 19:11:26	[-_-]	I don't understand how this is a probabilistic distn, since I said with ideal values
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2023-07-31 19:11:52	mpan	I merely stated, that this is a probabilistic distribution. In a simple words, which are understandable to a plain reader and convey the message they should.
2023-07-31 19:12:15	mpan	[-_-]: yes, this is with ideal values. It’s still a probabilistic event.
2023-07-31 19:12:29	[-_-]	how come?
2023-07-31 19:12:36	mpan	Because this is the nature of things.
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2023-07-31 19:14:20	mpan	[-_-]: the very definition of rated lifetime (or any similar metric) is probabilistic to start with. It is literally defined as such.
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2023-07-31 19:15:31	[-_-]	alr, you are talking about the calculation manufacturer did to get the so called "ideal values" I am talking about
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2023-07-31 19:15:54	mpan	[-_-]: these values are statistical or calculated from probabilistic models.
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2023-07-31 19:17:39	mpan	[-_-]: the value is indicating, what is the time the device is *expected* to work reliably. It does not mean it must live exactly that long and then it must fail. It may fail earlier, it may fail later. If it fails earlier, your “warning” based on such a value would never come. If it fails later, your “warning” will be premature.
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2023-07-31 19:18:06	mpan	[-_-]: this is still a valid metric and, as rcf said, use it. Just be aware it is not a fixed point and you should not rely on that too much.
2023-07-31 19:18:12	[-_-]	wait a minute, they would only allow say x no of writes per cell, I have y cells, then the calculation is simple, if I assume x is less than the number of writes after which the cell dies, but I am talking about estimating readonly state, so death before x no of writes is not taken into account
2023-07-31 19:18:43	[-_-]	I still see no probability in this
2023-07-31 19:18:59	[-_-]	totally ideal deterministic theoretical value
2023-07-31 19:19:14	mpan	[-_-]: yes, except that this is not what is being reported and is useless.
2023-07-31 19:19:25	mpan	[-_-]: we are talking about what is being reported and has some use.
2023-07-31 19:19:50	rcf	[-_-]: rated lifespan is readonly state, for the most part. It works because the flash failure mode (in the short term anyway) is failure to erase. 
2023-07-31 19:21:05	[-_-]	alr lets put this to rest here now, thanks rcf, mpan & NoImNotNineVolt 
2023-07-31 19:21:29	mpan	[-_-]: if your perception is: SSDs have some bug intentionally planted by manufacturers to break your SSD after certain number of writes: no.
2023-07-31 19:21:45	rcf	Well, kind of 
2023-07-31 19:26:15	rcf	Density and endurance are inversely correlated. 
2023-07-31 19:26:15	mpan	[-_-]: just use what rcf said, with being aware that it still may fail earlier or the warning may be too early.
2023-07-31 19:26:15	rcf	[-_-]: ultimatley as a regular user: SMART is fine. Just don't take good results as a reason to avoid backups. 
2023-07-31 19:26:15	mpan	rcf++
2023-07-31 19:26:15	mpan	… or that you will not wake up to your system not working due to SSD going read only.
2023-07-31 19:26:15	rcf	mpan: I suppose that is my objection: you should *not* consider an SSD viable after the rated number of cycles. An 'early' warning is a very good reason to discard the drive even if it seems to work. 
2023-07-31 19:26:15	mpan	rcf: my point is opposite: you should not consider it absolutely reliable before the rated life either.
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2023-07-31 20:01:03	low-key	how does one use the noblur window rule in hyprland? i'm able to get most other rules to apply but this one just won't
2023-07-31 20:01:45	low-key	i have active_opacity and inactive_opacity set to 0.85 and blur_passes set to 4
2023-07-31 20:02:02	low-key	but when i do windowrulev2=noblur,class:(firefox)
2023-07-31 20:02:11	low-key	firefox still has transparency and blur
2023-07-31 20:03:12	low-key	ooof, that was a whole lot of noise. Turns out I forgot to separately also make the windows opaque. Blur indeed got disabled.
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2023-07-31 20:13:53	bf_	do you know an easy way to forward a tcp port to another internal tcp port?
2023-07-31 20:14:26	bf_	something that survives restarts would be nice :)
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2023-08-02 17:49:15	Furai	Can I install single package from testing if I need to?
2023-08-02 17:49:51	Khorne	You can do all kinds of things
2023-08-02 17:50:14	Khorne	Among those you could download a package from a testing repo and install it via pacman -U, yes.
2023-08-02 17:50:20	Khorne	If that's smart or breaks everything...
2023-08-02 17:50:32	MrElendig	Furai: you can, but it might also fail due to .so versions
2023-08-02 17:50:35	Furai	that's another story
2023-08-02 17:50:37	MrElendig	Furai: so you might want to makepkg instead
2023-08-02 17:51:14	Furai	ok, yeah sounds right
2023-08-02 17:51:37	Furai	So I'd have to pull the pkgbuild somewhere and just build/install it the regular way?
2023-08-02 17:52:09	Furai	How to best pull it straight from testing repo? Are there any helpers?
2023-08-02 17:52:12	Khorne	pkgctl
2023-08-02 17:52:19	Furai	that new thing?
2023-08-02 17:52:27	Khorne	New repo, new helper tooling
2023-08-02 17:52:39	Furai	Ok, I'll look it up.
2023-08-02 17:52:48	Furai	So I'll have to enable testing in pacman.conf for that?
2023-08-02 17:53:37	jelle	Furai: what package are you looking at
2023-08-02 17:54:28	MrElendig	Furai: no you don't have to touch pacman.conf
2023-08-02 17:56:08	Furai	MrElendig, thanks. jelle, nvidia-open. For now I'm just looking around, maybe I won't even touch testing repo at all. Just checking my options for recovering broken system. I'll have more time to fully investigate it in few hours.
2023-08-02 17:56:45	Furai	Right now all I know is that X segfaults and then gnome-shell fails to start.
2023-08-02 17:56:50	jelle	oh that one you can't just grab
2023-08-02 17:57:07	Furai	It comes in tandem with kernel?
2023-08-02 17:57:26	jelle	Furai: yes ofcourse
2023-08-02 17:57:39	Furai	mkey, so maybe I could just downgrade both
2023-08-02 17:57:58	Furai	It was the only suspicious line from paman.log.
2023-08-02 17:58:33	Furai	I mean, only thing that seems like could break gnome.
2023-08-02 17:59:13	jelle	well gnome does not use Xorg by default so hmm
2023-08-02 17:59:54	Furai	Yeah, maybe I could just switch to wayland. I was putting it off for when I'll have more time.
2023-08-02 18:01:40	markboston	has anyone complained about the systemd update? after doing it i’m unable to boot and i’m getting memory dumps in the log
2023-08-02 18:01:50	markboston	something is very unhappy
2023-08-02 18:02:42	markboston	also getting tons of acpi errors
2023-08-02 18:03:02	markboston	but i think that might be norma for my system
2023-08-02 18:06:07	markboston	actually never mind
2023-08-02 18:06:14	markboston	that’s an old log
2023-08-02 18:07:03	markboston	why is it on my system when i run journalctl -xb or even -b i get a message back saying no entries?
2023-08-02 18:07:14	markboston	so then i have to look at the whole thing
2023-08-02 18:08:22	susi	254-1?
2023-08-02 18:08:48	susi	markboston: journalctl --list-boots
2023-08-02 18:09:58	markboston	yup there’s stuff there
2023-08-02 18:10:14	markboston	it’s weird it doesn’t have the log for the last boot though
2023-08-02 18:10:43	markboston	actually it does
2023-08-02 18:10:54	markboston	so why is it saying no entries?
2023-08-02 18:14:59	markboston	fixed it it’s a stupid nvidia issue
2023-08-02 18:15:37	markboston	if my system doesn’t have gdm installed it can’t boot because of a stupid nvidia issue with getty
2023-08-02 18:30:35	killown	"chaotic-aur.db" de us-ny-mirror.chaotic.cx : Could not resolve host: us-ny-mirror.chaotic.cx
2023-08-02 18:30:47	killown	The requested URL returned error: 500
2023-08-02 18:31:23	jelle	chatting
2023-08-02 18:32:15	killown	solved 
2023-08-02 18:32:28	killown	with aur.chaotic.cx instructions
2023-08-02 18:40:54	za3k	I'm trying EFIBOOT, I can get it to work on the actual HDD but I've having no luck on a USB stick. Any advice?
2023-08-02 18:41:32	za3k	I have a GPD laptop (one of those tiny 7-inchers)
2023-08-02 18:42:55	tb0n3	anybody know if theresa way to have a ssh connection available to get into a device behind a firewall? meaning have the device connect to a known server when internet connected then be able to connect to that server and ssh back into the firewalled device.
2023-08-02 18:43:47	MrElendig	tb0n3: you can use services like zerotier or selfhost
2023-08-02 18:44:09	MrElendig	or just poke a hole in the firewall..
2023-08-02 18:44:23	gromit	tb0n3: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/46235/how-does-reverse-ssh-tunneling-work
2023-08-02 18:44:24	phrik	Title: networking - How does reverse SSH tunneling work? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2023-08-02 18:44:37	za3k	tb0n3: Yes, use ssh -R
2023-08-02 18:45:39	za3k	"Reverse tunnel" is indeed the keyword to look up
2023-08-02 18:46:19	tb0n3	za3k: at that point do i just connectbto a socket?
2023-08-02 18:46:41	za3k	You go read 'man ssh' and the other links and then come back with questions :)
2023-08-02 18:46:56	gromit	tb0n3: the accepted answer in the link I poisted has a pretty nice explaination 
2023-08-02 18:47:04	tb0n3	i swear i looked it up and it was something different
2023-08-02 18:47:33	low-key	i'm trying to use hyprland's movecursor dispatcher but bind = SUPER,SPACE,movecursor,1900,1000 just does nothing
2023-08-02 18:47:47	low-key	but the command also seems to be just that straightforward from the wiki 
2023-08-02 18:47:53	low-key	can anyone help me figure out what i might be missing?
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2023-08-02 19:23:16	za3k	I'm running this, which works fine for my SSD: efibootmgr --create --disk /dev/mmcblk0 --part 2 --label "Arch (On Drive)" --loader /vmlinuz-linux --unicode 'root=UUID=58f9d52d-df36-446d-8075-d205ff706b6d rw initrd=\initramfs-linux.img'
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2023-08-02 19:53:18	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
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2023-08-02 19:42:02	Scimmia	I'm wrong, I think
2023-08-02 19:42:17	za3k	50-50 shot :)
2023-08-02 19:42:20	za3k	OK now for the final boss. I'm going to try encrypted ZFS root. Wish me luck!
2023-08-02 19:53:21	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-08-02 20:25:08	arno_	On my laptop, I have an external display plugged via HDMI. It works fine, but is also recognized by pulse as an audio output device. That display cannot produce any sound. Why is it recognized by pulse? How can I fix that?
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2023-08-02 20:26:20	Namarrgon	the display probably advertises audio support via edid
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2023-08-02 20:26:33	Namarrgon	which model is that?
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2023-08-02 20:32:29	arno_	https://www.dell.com/ae/business/p/dell-up3017-monitor/pd
2023-08-02 20:32:31	phrik	Title: Dell UltraSharp 30 with Premier Color: UP3017 | Dell UAE (at www.dell.com)
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2023-08-02 20:33:04	Namarrgon	it has an audio output
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2023-08-02 20:33:16	Namarrgon	3.5mm jack for either headphones or a sound-bar
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2023-08-02 20:33:52	Namarrgon	set its profile to disabled and pw won't bother with in the future
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2023-08-02 20:33:58	Namarrgon	*with it
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2023-08-02 20:40:55	joyofjenny	Has anyone else experienced systemd-vconsole-setup hanging on boot indefinitely after upgrading to systemd 254?  This happens for me on both of my laptops that have intel graphics (i915) and reverting to systemd 253.7 is the only thing I've found to fix it so far
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2023-08-02 20:41:51	Namarrgon	does it hang in the initramfs or post-switch_root??
2023-08-02 20:42:46	susi	???*
2023-08-02 20:42:52	joyofjenny	How can I tell for certain?  Not sure if this is a tell, but if I omit "quiet" from the linux command line, I don't see any output at all
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2023-08-02 20:43:23	Namarrgon	do you use the systemd-based initramfs?
2023-08-02 20:43:31	joyofjenny	Yes
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2023-08-02 20:43:45	Namarrgon	do you use the sd-vconsole hook?
2023-08-02 20:43:46	susi	do you have sd-vconsole hook?
2023-08-02 20:44:19	joyofjenny	No, but I tried that after looking through bugs.archlinux.org and that didn't make a difference over using keymap and consolefont hooks
2023-08-02 20:44:52	Namarrgon	you can't really mix and match
2023-08-02 20:45:11	Namarrgon	can you post the mkinitcpio.conf of the config that hangs?
2023-08-02 20:45:13	joyofjenny	Well I replaced "keymap consolefont" with "sd-vconsole" and regenerated and the behavior was the same
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2023-08-02 20:45:38	Namarrgon	the sd-* hooks need the systemd-based initramfs, you can't just swap them
2023-08-02 20:45:58	joyofjenny	I'm using the systemd-based initramfs
2023-08-02 20:46:13	Namarrgon	then why did you still have "keymap consolefont" in the hooks?
2023-08-02 20:46:42	Namarrgon	what is in /etc/vconsole.conf?
2023-08-02 20:47:03	joyofjenny	vconsole.conf is empty (and this works fine with 253.x
2023-08-02 20:47:23	Namarrgon	you also use the default "us" keymap?
2023-08-02 20:47:34	joyofjenny	Yes - just hoping to use the defaults
2023-08-02 20:48:00	Namarrgon	someone earlier got an error from systemd-vconsole-setup because of an empty vconsole.conf but there was no freeze
2023-08-02 20:48:18	joyofjenny	I tried to explicitly add "KEYMAP=us" to /etc/vconsole.conf but it made no difference
2023-08-02 20:48:32	Namarrgon	you rebuilt the initramfs after that?
2023-08-02 20:48:35	joyofjenny	Yes
2023-08-02 20:48:44	joyofjenny	with "mkinitcpio -P"
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2023-08-02 20:49:08	Namarrgon	can you post the mkinitcpio.conf?
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2023-08-02 20:49:29	joyofjenny	Sure - is there a suggested/recommended paste service to use?
2023-08-02 20:49:35	Namarrgon	!ix
2023-08-02 20:49:36	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
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2023-08-02 20:51:24	joyofjenny	io.io/4p60
2023-08-02 20:51:27	joyofjenny	oops sec
2023-08-02 20:51:35	joyofjenny	http://ix.io/4p60
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2023-08-02 20:51:54	joyofjenny	Pretty much default but with lvm
2023-08-02 20:52:06	Namarrgon	that is not a systemd-based initramfs
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2023-08-02 20:53:00	joyofjenny	Apologies - what is that then Namarrgon ?
2023-08-02 20:53:11	Namarrgon	the regular busybox-based one
2023-08-02 20:53:18	joyofjenny	Okay - then its the busybox-based one
2023-08-02 20:53:28	joyofjenny	the default iirc
2023-08-02 20:53:39	Namarrgon	what exactly is on the screen when it freezes? does anything get logged to the journal for that boot? can you take a picture of the frozen screen?
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2023-08-02 20:54:36	joyofjenny	Waiting for Setup Virtual Console... [10 seconds/nolimit]
2023-08-02 20:54:44	joyofjenny	and it just goes on forever
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2023-08-02 20:58:28	bf_	I'm not finding good info on this online, maybe someone here knows
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2023-08-02 20:58:40	bf_	I'm using net/netconf hook on mkinitcpio with ip=dhcp command line
2023-08-02 20:58:46	bf_	doesn't work for ipv6
2023-08-02 20:58:57	bf_	is there ipv6=dhcp or ip=dhcp6 implemented for arch?
2023-08-02 20:59:39	bf_	system does not have ipv4 address so it fails booting
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2023-08-02 20:59:58	susi	someone, somewhere, said that ip=dhcp is always a mistake
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2023-08-02 21:01:17	susi	was some mailing list, and the sayer was a real guru, but can't really remember the context or the reasoning
2023-08-02 21:02:23	joyofjenny	Is there any way to use openRC or something on arch?  I know that this issue got introduced with systemd 254
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2023-08-02 21:02:31	MrElendig	joyofjenny: not realisticly
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2023-08-02 21:02:42	Namarrgon	did you see my other questions?
2023-08-02 21:02:49	joyofjenny	Yeah - was there any that I didn't answer?
2023-08-02 21:03:04	Namarrgon	well, none of the three
2023-08-02 21:03:09	bf_	susi: so can you hardcode ipv6 on ip= kernel cmdline?
2023-08-02 21:03:26	joyofjenny	I answered what was on screen and I posted my mkinitcpio.conf
2023-08-02 21:03:29	joyofjenny	What was the third?
2023-08-02 21:03:35	Namarrgon	'exactly'
2023-08-02 21:03:41	Namarrgon	what is in the journal?
2023-08-02 21:03:45	Namarrgon	picture?
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2023-08-02 21:04:35	joyofjenny	What do you need a picture for?  I posted what happens.. The systemd-vconsole-setup service hangs indefinitely and gives the standard systemd "Starting <service name..." hang
2023-08-02 21:04:54	joyofjenny	Nothing relayed to the journal - it just says its starting the service indefinitely
2023-08-02 21:05:03	joyofjenny	checked journalctl -b -1
2023-08-02 21:05:11	Namarrgon	you posted some random line, i don't know what else is there
2023-08-02 21:05:39	joyofjenny	Not exactly some random line - its the particular line that is hanging
2023-08-02 21:05:53	joyofjenny	all of the other lines I would expect to be there on a normal boot - and are when I downgrade systemd
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2023-08-02 21:06:09	Namarrgon	systemd runs a lot of things in parallel, you don't know whether the last printed line is relevant
2023-08-02 21:06:20	za3k	joyofjenny: humor them, post a picture
2023-08-02 21:06:22	joyofjenny	Lol... Okay I will post a picture if it turns you on
2023-08-02 21:06:22	Namarrgon	post the journal for that boot to a paste service
2023-08-02 21:06:28	joyofjenny	thanks za3k will do
2023-08-02 21:06:35	joyofjenny	Let me upgrade systemd and reboot h/o
2023-08-02 21:06:40	za3k	they trust eyeballs more than random people in a chat
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2023-08-02 21:06:46	MrElendig	throw some debug flags at it while you are at it
2023-08-02 21:06:52	Namarrgon	that is right, people can't be trusted
2023-08-02 21:06:54	susi	you may wanna force-sync before force-rebooting 
2023-08-02 21:07:11	susi	say, sysrq-rsub or likes
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2023-08-02 21:07:33	joyofjenny	systemd wont let me reboot cleanly because it hangs on the systemd-vconsole-setup on shutdown as well...
2023-08-02 21:08:12	susi	yeah, and em logs might not get written to disk without forced sync
2023-08-02 21:08:14	za3k	So far https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_on_ZFS is quite helpful, though confused why the example makes 4 datasets rather than 2
2023-08-02 21:08:14	phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux on ZFS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-02 21:08:26	bf_	can kernel ip cmdline take ipv6 addresses at all?
2023-08-02 21:08:29	za3k	I should probably make an account so I can edit things a little
2023-08-02 21:08:30	bf_	when I try to hard code it?
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2023-08-02 21:10:03	susi	joyofjenny: were you talking about this problem ~yesterday too, or was it someone else?
2023-08-02 21:10:12	MrElendig	za3k: e.g. having /var/log as its own lets you roll back a snapshot while retaining your logs
2023-08-02 21:10:36	joyofjenny	susi - must have been someone else - i just ran into this todya
2023-08-02 21:10:41	joyofjenny	https://imgur.com/JMUm0Hy here's a picture of my laptop screen
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2023-08-02 21:10:42	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2023-08-02 21:11:04	za3k	MrElendig: there are about 3 contradictory sets of instructions mixed together, which is not ideal. I was just referrring to zroot/data/home and zroot/ROOT/default
2023-08-02 21:11:25	za3k	Since there's nothing else in ROOT or data, I was wondering why they got created
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2023-08-02 21:12:16	za3k	I can see the idea behind 'data' at least, if you're the kind of person to want hierarchies like zroot/data/var/log
2023-08-02 21:12:28	joyofjenny	"A start job is running for Virtual Console Setup (5min 38s / no limit)"
2023-08-02 21:12:38	za3k	but it could equally be zroot/var_log
2023-08-02 21:12:48	Namarrgon	that's far enough into the boot process that it should leave traces in the journal
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2023-08-02 21:13:23	susi	I'd recommend setting DefaultTimeoutStartSec in system.conf anyways
2023-08-02 21:13:37	joyofjenny	There is journal output from the failed boot attempt but it's the same as a normal boot; save for systemd-vconsole-setup hanging indefinitely
2023-08-02 21:13:47	susi	(and *StopSec too)
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2023-08-02 21:16:09	joyofjenny	Actually I just checked - its not logging anything with systemd 254
2023-08-02 21:16:21	joyofjenny	its before root switch
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2023-08-02 21:19:29	phonemic	my laptop's wifi hardware has issues returning from s1 sleep. suggestions on where to report this? https://gist.github.com/jaredmo/c6858f33142146fc38d520aa6a761476
2023-08-02 21:19:45	susi	no, that's after switch_root
2023-08-02 21:19:51	joyofjenny	Ah okay thanks
2023-08-02 21:19:58	susi	or well I'm not sure really, but so I'd think
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2023-08-02 21:21:00	Namarrgon	joyofjenny: it can't be before root_switch since you don't use the systemd-based initramfs
2023-08-02 21:21:09	joyofjenny	Im pretty sure systemd-vconsole-setup is being triggered by Before=initrd-switch-root.target
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2023-08-02 21:22:21	susi	joyofjenny: but maybe add DefaultTimeoutStartSec in system.conf or TimeoutStartSec for that particular unit, might be easier to debug afterwards
2023-08-02 21:23:15	bf_	it's not working
2023-08-02 21:23:46	bf_	there's no ip6= or ipv6= kernel parameter in arch. redhat has even ip=dhcp6
2023-08-02 21:24:15	bf_	I tried HOOKS=(... net ...) with ipv6.bindv6only=1 ipv6.autoconf=1 ip=dhcp, and no chance
2023-08-02 21:24:37	bf_	Is this use case unsupported by arch?
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2023-08-02 21:25:23	Namarrgon	have you checked the upstream netconf bugtracker?
2023-08-02 21:25:57	za3k	bf_: afaik arch does not have a any changes to the vanilla kernel. kernel parameter documentation can be found at https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html
2023-08-02 21:25:57	phrik	Title: The kernel's command-line parameters — The Linux Kernel documentation (at docs.kernel.org)
2023-08-02 21:25:58	bf_	I had a look at mkinitcpio-netconf and they say ipv6 is unsupported due to ipconfig limitations. Then I switch from HOOKS=(... netconf ..) to HOOKS=(.. net ..)
2023-08-02 21:26:13	za3k	but i may be uninformed
2023-08-02 21:26:17	bf_	arch wiki mkinitcpio page for "net" links to https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/nfs/nfsroot.html
2023-08-02 21:26:17	phrik	Title: Mounting the root filesystem via NFS (nfsroot) — The Linux Kernel documentation (at docs.kernel.org)
2023-08-02 21:26:28	bf_	that page I searched and it doesn't seem to have anything ipv6-specific
2023-08-02 21:27:27	bf_	za3k: that's interesting. There's a line "autoconf=       [IPV6]"
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2023-08-02 21:30:38	bf_	let's see. I don't understand how it's different from ipv6.autoconf=1 but maybe it works :)
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2023-08-02 21:40:01	za3k	Does EFIBOOT work with zfs?
2023-08-02 21:40:15	za3k	How about UKI?
2023-08-02 21:40:54	bf_	I solved my problem by buying an IPv4 address for 2€ per month
2023-08-02 21:40:55	Namarrgon	you have to make sure the kernel ends up on the vfat ESP, then EFIBOOT works
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2023-08-02 21:41:02	bf_	maybe I should add this to the wiki? ;)
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2023-08-02 21:41:17	arno_	thank you Namarrgon 
2023-08-02 21:42:04	za3k	Namarrgon: hmm I did this, no luck. screen far to small to screenshot, but.. ERROR: Failed to mount '' on real root
2023-08-02 21:42:20	za3k	Let me reboot and copy my EFI boot entry
2023-08-02 21:42:24	Namarrgon	what is the root= paramter set to?
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2023-08-02 21:43:42	za3k	It wasn't set, I just set zfs=, which I copied roughly from 6.1.5 in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_on_ZFS
2023-08-02 21:43:44	phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux on ZFS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-02 21:44:03	Namarrgon	ah, no idea about zfs
2023-08-02 21:44:28	Namarrgon	but since you got that error at all it means the kernel and the initramfs were loaded successfully
2023-08-02 21:44:44	za3k	Yeah
2023-08-02 21:44:53	Namarrgon	most likely something wrong with the zfs setup in the initramfs
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2023-08-02 21:45:55	za3k	perhaps, I will try the root=ZFS= kernel parameter first though
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2023-08-02 21:46:41	za3k	It's very possible the initramfs needs to do something special for encrypted ZFS, too.
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2023-08-02 21:51:14	za3k	> efibootmgr --create --disk /dev/mmcblk0 --part 2 --label "Arch (SSD)" --loader /vmlinuz-linux --unicode 'zfs=zroot/ROOT/default rw initrd=\initramfs-linux.img'
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2023-08-02 21:51:57	za3k	/dev/mmcblk0 is not ideal but they they don't show up in /dev/disk/by-id for some reason
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2023-08-02 21:52:35	Namarrgon	you added the mkinitcpio hooks and rebuilt the initramfs after that?
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2023-08-02 21:53:09	Namarrgon	can you post mkinitcpio.conf?
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2023-08-02 21:54:04	za3k	http://ix.io/4Cbm
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2023-08-02 21:58:10	Namarrgon	do you get asked for a passphrase or how is the unlocking process supposed to work?
2023-08-02 21:58:32	za3k	I would assume I'm supposed to get asked for a passphrase, but I'm not actually sure. First time doing this.
2023-08-02 21:59:58	za3k	I am not getting asked for a passphrase, no.
2023-08-02 22:00:12	Namarrgon	are the zfs modules in the initramfs?
2023-08-02 22:00:47	za3k	No, thanks
2023-08-02 22:01:40	za3k	That's not in the wiki either, will add it if it works
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2023-08-02 22:02:10	Namarrgon	perhaps the 'block' hook is supposed to pick it up, i don't know
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2023-08-02 22:04:36	za3k	OK I clearly need a better option than /dev/mmcblk0 because that's not staying static, for starters
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2023-08-03 15:22:48	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-08-03 15:22:48	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1384 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1383 normals)
2023-08-03 12:42:32	predicament	rcf agreed
2023-08-03 12:42:44	predicament	and jelle, how would i do that
2023-08-03 12:43:20	predicament	i have yet to start the install
2023-08-03 12:43:22	jelle	predicament: systemctl list-units | grep pacman
2023-08-03 12:43:26	predicament	okay
2023-08-03 12:43:28	predicament	hang on
2023-08-03 12:43:53	predicament	it says it's dead
2023-08-03 12:44:07	predicament	no nevermind it said its temparay muouted
2023-08-03 12:44:20	predicament	temporarily*  mounted*
2023-08-03 12:44:20	jelle	I have no idea waht you are seeing btw :)
2023-08-03 12:44:45	predicament	well taht's what it just said, pacman-init.servce loaded, inactive, dead
2023-08-03 12:45:00	rcf	predicament: ah, found the culprit, maybe. Let me verify from a fresh boot 
2023-08-03 12:45:43	Namarrgon	kill the gpg-agent, remove the keyring and do the init/populate manually
2023-08-03 12:46:27	predicament	jelle: Temporary etc/pacman.d/gnupg directory loaded, active, mounted
2023-08-03 12:46:39	predicament	/etc*
2023-08-03 12:46:44	jelle	...
2023-08-03 12:46:54	predicament	you said you have no idea what i'm seeing
2023-08-03 12:47:21	predicament	maybe that wasnt to me
2023-08-03 12:47:28	predicament	sorry if that is the case
2023-08-03 12:49:10	coruja	!give predicament paste
2023-08-03 12:49:11	phrik	predicament: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-08-03 12:49:20	predicament	i cant paste it.
2023-08-03 12:49:28	predicament	it's on a laptop next to me.
2023-08-03 12:49:58	qp	!ix
2023-08-03 12:49:59	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2023-08-03 12:50:17	rcf	predicament: pkill gpg-agent and be sure it's actually dead.
2023-08-03 12:50:24	predicament	hang on
2023-08-03 12:50:40	rcf	You can't remove /etc/pacman.d/gnupg, you'll have to go for /etc/pacman.d/gnupg/* 
2023-08-03 12:51:10	rcf	Once you do that pacman-key --init && pacman-key --populate ought to work 
2023-08-03 12:53:43	predicament	rm -r /etc/pacman.d/gnupg/*  "are you sure you wat to delete all the files in /etc/pacman.d/gnupg[yn]? y    zsh: no matches found: /etc/pacman.d/gnupg/*
2023-08-03 12:53:55	rcf	Then you're fine. Try pacman-key --init 
2023-08-03 12:54:30	predicament	okay did that
2023-08-03 12:54:40	rcf	And then pacman-key --populate 
2023-08-03 12:54:44	predicament	okay
2023-08-03 12:55:37	rcf	And then just as a precaution pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring 
2023-08-03 12:55:45	predicament	appending from archlinux.gpg, disabling revoked keys in keyring, disabled 36, updating datbase... etc etc
2023-08-03 12:55:50	predicament	okay
2023-08-03 12:55:55	predicament	i was gonna do that actually
2023-08-03 12:55:57	rcf	If that works, pacstrap ought to be just fine 
2023-08-03 12:56:02	predicament	okay hang on
2023-08-03 12:56:35	predicament	yep it installed thist ime
2023-08-03 12:56:41	predicament	so lets see if pacstrap will
2023-08-03 12:56:52	predicament	(work) and i feel it should now.
2023-08-03 12:58:23	predicament	yep
2023-08-03 12:58:34	predicament	there it goes
2023-08-03 12:58:46	predicament	thank you for helping me get that going.
2023-08-03 12:59:07	alad	GOOD HEAVENS MAN
2023-08-03 12:59:10	alad	use the enter key
2023-08-03 12:59:41	predicament	i appreciate the help rcf and thank you for being patient with me.  And thank you for your contribution alad :P   my bad.  i'm done, just saying thank you to rcf
2023-08-03 13:00:59	rcf	alad: I shall install the bounciest key switch I have in your enter key 
2023-08-03 13:01:22	rcf	EMIYA will turn on you! 
2023-08-03 13:01:31	predicament	oh no.
2023-08-03 13:02:01	wiscii	hi, i just completed pacman -Syu but during the last few parts i ran out of disk space. i managed to make about 735MB free disk space while pacman completed processing
2023-08-03 13:02:19	wiscii	i'll paste the log
2023-08-03 13:02:29	predicament	!paste
2023-08-03 13:02:30	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-08-03 13:02:33	Namarrgon	wiscii: is the disk-space check disabled in pacman.conf?
2023-08-03 13:02:48	alad	rcf: you should do it for every key, for the full experience
2023-08-03 13:03:13	astralc	0 wait before key repeat
2023-08-03 13:03:29	astralc	aka "why it fail with my password"
2023-08-03 13:04:18	wiscii	here is the end of the log: https://paste.centos.org/view/0ed943c5
2023-08-03 13:04:22	phrik	Title: Untitled - Pastebin Service (at paste.centos.org)
2023-08-03 13:04:31	wiscii	Namarrgon: no, i do not think so
2023-08-03 13:04:47	rcf	alad: for that I'd probably just hack together an inline USB key-doubler 
2023-08-03 13:04:48	predicament	I was being driven crazy by Windows 11, I have to be honest.. they dropped the ball with that pos.. ugh i hate when new laptops just come with it smacked all over it
2023-08-03 13:05:32	predicament	they should just have empty stuff to get.  with no OS on it.
2023-08-03 13:05:46	rcf	Namarrgon: if you're unlucky (and/or imprudent) you can beat the disk space check by starting a large download with your -Syu running. Not that I would ever do such a silly thing. 
2023-08-03 13:05:55	Namarrgon	wiscii: how much ram does that system have?
2023-08-03 13:06:20	Namarrgon	rcf: yeah, it's not terribly reliable but prevents the worst
2023-08-03 13:06:22	wiscii	Namarrgon: currently 256mb ram + swap
2023-08-03 13:06:31	Namarrgon	wiscii: that's by far not enough for arch
2023-08-03 13:06:39	predicament	not enough?
2023-08-03 13:06:41	wiscii	sure, i realise that
2023-08-03 13:06:42	Namarrgon	your /tmp tmpfs has only 100mb space
2023-08-03 13:07:02	predicament	thats barely any..
2023-08-03 13:07:06	wiscii	am i safe to reboot with more ram ?
2023-08-03 13:07:07	predicament	i dont know how you do that
2023-08-03 13:07:25	rcf	wiscii: not now, it won't boot
2023-08-03 13:07:25	Namarrgon	wiscii: you need to fix your initramfs first or it won't boot
2023-08-03 13:07:32	predicament	you need to fix initramfs
2023-08-03 13:07:34	wiscii	ah, dang
2023-08-03 13:07:49	Namarrgon	how much swap is there?
2023-08-03 13:08:11	wiscii	swap is 256mb also
2023-08-03 13:08:20	predicament	so the same, eek
2023-08-03 13:08:29	Namarrgon	is this a vm?
2023-08-03 13:08:46	wiscii	it was an experiment in running with few resource
2023-08-03 13:09:01	wiscii	i may have been over zealous
2023-08-03 13:09:13	wiscii	yes, a vm
2023-08-03 13:09:15	Namarrgon	can you hot-plug more ram?
2023-08-03 13:09:27	chromas	if you umount your /tmp then it won't be limited to your ram size
2023-08-03 13:09:49	wiscii	no, vbox does not allow that
2023-08-03 13:09:57	Namarrgon	you can remount /tmp with a larger size and suffer through the swap thrashing or umount /tmp entirely and let it write to /
2023-08-03 13:10:25	wiscii	ok, i can add a temp disk i think
2023-08-03 13:10:42	Namarrgon	ah, wait, it failed during the fallback initramfs only
2023-08-03 13:10:47	TheDcoder	Hello, I have a strange issue, and one that I probably created myself... files related to linux-zen seem to be mysteriously disappearing, files like /etc/mkinitcpio.d/linux-zen.preset
2023-08-03 13:33:32	wiscii	excellent, all sorted - FYI, i just completed pacman -Syu on a VM that hasn't been booted in 3~4+ years and the only problem was the keyring (and my self inflicted disk space issue) thanks all
2023-08-03 13:36:36	predicament	fstab didnt seem to pick up swap even though i did mkswap
2023-08-03 13:36:38	predicament	weird.
2023-08-03 13:36:44	predicament	and did swapon
2023-08-03 13:37:14	Namarrgon	"pick up"?
2023-08-03 13:39:08	predicament	not a  big deal for now
2023-08-03 13:39:15	predicament	i need to get this tow ork with secure boot though.
2023-08-03 13:39:24	susi	you'll have to add it yourself, or genfstab
2023-08-03 13:40:07	susi	whether your swap's enabled, you can check /proc/swaps or `free'
2023-08-03 13:40:20	predicament	on this specific laptop, i could just create it within the bios and iw as able to do it that way..  but it blocks it on this other laptop, so i might have to try and make a key i think,  i was able to use secure boot with ventoy, it made its own key there.  weird that it didnt this time.  and i did use genfstab >> /mnt/etc/fstab
2023-08-03 13:40:45	predicament	erm genfstab -U >> /mnt/etc/fsatb
2023-08-03 13:42:29	predicament	you see another typo there, im not actually pasting, just typing very quickly  -- blah.  so now i need ot get it workin with secure boot so i'll check the documentation on that.. looks strange.   as i had said, i was always able to add it easily within the bios itself because it'd see a boot device and it would allow me to create a key in there.
2023-08-03 13:42:55	susi	maybe concentrate on SB when stuff works otherwise?
2023-08-03 13:43:09	susi	it seems there could be things to be done before going that route
2023-08-03 13:43:10	predicament	it booted adn is working so yeah
2023-08-03 13:43:18	susi	ah okay
2023-08-03 13:43:18	predicament	just wanna do the secure boot now
2023-08-03 13:44:58	predicament	definitely different.  I'm used to just making my own key from the bios, so this is all new to me.  So if I do have questions, I apologize in advance :P
2023-08-03 13:45:03	richardt	Hello everyone,
2023-08-03 13:45:03	richardt	I'm having trouble booting the Live USB Arch installation medium. For context, I have recently build a new system and I'm now trying to get Arch running on it.
2023-08-03 13:45:03	richardt	The relevant components are:
2023-08-03 13:45:03	richardt	- Motherboard: MSI Pro B760M-P DDR4 (firmware version 7E02v15)
2023-08-03 13:45:03	richardt	- CPU: Intel Core i5 13600K
2023-08-03 13:45:04	richardt	The BIOS options "Secure Boot", "Fast Boot" and "MSI Fast Boot" are disabled. When booting the USB drive, I can get into the GRUB menu [1] and select a boot option. However, when I select the first one ("Arch Linux install medium (x86_64, UEFI)"), the screen just goes black and stays that way (i.e., no prompt or similar appears).
2023-08-03 13:45:08	richardt	The USB drive and ISO on it seem to be okay; when attempting to boot from it on my laptop, I get into the installer image just fine. I have also tried a different USB drive which shows the same GRUB behavior. All this makes me believe that it's probably a problem with the motherboard but I don't know how to verify this suspicion.
2023-08-03 13:45:12	richardt	What I've tried so far:
2023-08-03 13:45:14	richardt	- Disabled "Secure Boot", "Fast Boot", and "MSI Fast Boot" in the BIOS.
2023-08-03 13:45:16	richardt	- Enabled CSM. However, with CSM, the system couldn't even get into the BIOS and the motherboard disabled CSM by itself.
2023-08-03 13:45:19	richardt	- Tried different (older) motherboard firmware versions.
2023-08-03 13:45:40	predicament	he was done too
2023-08-03 13:45:43	predicament	lol.
2023-08-03 13:46:09	predicament	if he did a paste with that, that's a pretty good synopsis.
2023-08-03 13:46:46	predicament	!paste
2023-08-03 13:46:46	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-08-03 13:46:54	susi	richardt: have you tried booting the fallback image?
2023-08-03 13:47:08	Namarrgon	richardt: is there an nvidia gpu in that system?
2023-08-03 13:47:14	nl6720	susi: the ISO doesn't have (or need) one
2023-08-03 13:47:30	richardt	Namarrgon: no GPU at all, using integrated graphics
2023-08-03 13:47:45	nl6720	richardt: how long did you wait in the black screen?
2023-08-03 13:48:08	richardt	nl6720: had lunch earlier while waiting. I suppose a good 20 to 30 minutes?
2023-08-03 13:48:58	nl6720	these sort of issues just remind me that I hate grub...
2023-08-03 13:49:39	susi	doesn't sound like a GRUB problem to me
2023-08-03 13:50:19	richardt	predicament: sorry for the spam. would it be good etiquette to repost a link to a paste? or is the "cat out of the bag" now anyway? :-) 
2023-08-03 13:50:38	predicament	don't apologize to me, i can appreciate a good wall of text
2023-08-03 13:51:07	predicament	it was a fantastic synopsis compared to most taht come in here to ask quesitons, including myself
2023-08-03 13:51:24	predicament	just do !paste next time and use one of those.
2023-08-03 13:51:30	predicament	!paste
2023-08-03 13:51:31	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-08-03 13:51:46	richardt	will do, thank you for the heads-up
2023-08-03 13:51:53	predicament	of course
2023-08-03 13:53:12	richardt	in case anyone would like to read my above message in a well-formatted manner: https://paste.rs/Wjsk0.txt
2023-08-03 13:53:14	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-08-03 13:53:44	richardt	well, I guess lines are a bit long ...
2023-08-03 13:54:22	Namarrgon	does any other (live) distro boot on this box?
2023-08-03 13:55:05	nl6720	the first thing to find out would be what hangs. grub or the kernel? how to do that, though...
2023-08-03 13:55:11	richardt	Namarrgon: I tried the Ubuntu installer as well but it shows the exact same behavior (black screen after selecting GRUB entry)
2023-08-03 13:55:37	Namarrgon	does the archiso still rely on syslinux for legacy boot?
2023-08-03 13:55:44	nl6720	Namarrgon: yep
2023-08-03 13:55:48	Namarrgon	maybe try that then
2023-08-03 13:56:06	nl6720	I'd suggest trying https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Netboot
2023-08-03 13:56:07	phrik	Title: Netboot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-03 13:56:26	nl6720	as long as richardt has an Ethernet connection
2023-08-03 13:56:42	richardt	nl6720: thanks for the link, reading up on that. I do have Ethernet
2023-08-03 13:58:05	richardt	Namarrgon: how would I go about trying syslinux? would that involve turning on CSM in the bios? when I tried that, the system wouldn't even get into the GRUB menu
2023-08-03 13:58:51	nl6720	richardt: do the memtest and UEFI shell boot entries work?
2023-08-03 13:59:21	richardt	nl6720: yes
2023-08-03 14:02:20	nl6720	richardt: you could try removing "set gfxpayload=keep" from the boot entry
2023-08-03 14:02:45	richardt	will try now
2023-08-03 14:04:03	richardt	nl6720: same behavior, unfortunately
2023-08-03 14:07:59	nl6720	richardt: you could try booting the kernel from UEFI shell, but you'd need to write the whole cmdline (including initrd=) by hand
2023-08-03 14:11:47	susi	those fastboots could potentially cause harm, if were enabled when rebooted from Windows to replace with Linux
2023-08-03 14:11:57	susi	(so I've heard)
2023-08-03 14:12:17	nl6720	that's a different type of fast boot
2023-08-03 14:13:56	nl6720	the UEFI feature skips initialing non-boot devices while the Windows feature makes it hibernate instead of shut down thus making the file systems Windows used dirty and not mountable
2023-08-03 14:14:16	nl6720	well, "not mountable" without potential data loss
2023-08-03 14:15:07	susi	I've heard drivers could be left in a weird state, that sometimes isn't easy to 'reset' outside of Windows
2023-08-03 14:18:51	rcf	Drivers are fine, drives are not 
2023-08-03 14:19:12	rcf	You can trash the Windows install quite easily. 
2023-08-03 14:19:16	grawity	*some* devices do get stuck in weird states after hibernation, but nothing that a power-cycle won't fix
2023-08-03 14:19:54	grawity	ntfs-3g refuses to mount hibernated filesystems r/w
2023-08-03 14:20:29	ursa	ntfs3 as well, no?
2023-08-03 14:20:32	nl6720	all of it is explained in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dual_boot_with_Windows#Fast_Startup_and_hibernation
2023-08-03 14:20:33	phrik	Title: Dual boot with Windows - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-03 14:21:05	rcf	ursa: I would hope so. The old kernel code couldn't write reliably anyway, so I hope nobody tries that, but then there's always someone.... 
2023-08-03 14:21:52	ursa	rcf: I hope the old kernel code isn't even compiled on arch
2023-08-03 14:24:00	predicament	sorry, i couldn't afford to pay my VPS for another month
2023-08-03 14:24:49	susi	np
2023-08-03 14:25:24	predicament	now i'm just using a friend's znc.
2023-08-03 14:25:42	predicament	they said i could once the time was up
2023-08-03 14:33:05	richardt	oops, just realized I killed my connection earlier while changing the ethernet cable ...
2023-08-03 14:33:53	ursa	richardt: if you're quick enough, you can replace the ethernet cable without dropping any connection
2023-08-03 14:34:34	richardt	it appears I'm rather slow today :)
2023-08-03 14:36:22	richardt	nl6720: netboot gets until here before hanging: https://0x0.st/H26Y.jpg
2023-08-03 14:39:00	nl6720	per https://ipxe.archlinux.org/releng/netboot/archlinux.ipxe the next action should be "boot"
2023-08-03 14:39:09	nl6720	hmm, so... a kernel issue, perhaps?
2023-08-03 14:39:50	nl6720	richardt: you can try one of the older ISOs ( https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux_Archive#/iso ) and see if any work
2023-08-03 14:39:51	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Archive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-03 14:41:24	richardt	nl6720: I will try that. although I have tried the ubuntu 22.04 image previously which is on 5.15 I believe
2023-08-03 14:41:45	nl6720	richardt: you don't have an awfully small amount of RAM, do you?
2023-08-03 14:41:57	richardt	2x8GB
2023-08-03 14:42:04	nl6720	not an issue, then
2023-08-03 14:42:28	rcf	That was someone earlier with the 256MB 
2023-08-03 14:42:57	nl6720	IIRC, you need at least ~530 MiB
2023-08-03 14:43:15	nl6720	though, it's been a while since I last tested it
2023-08-03 14:44:47	richardt	assuming it's NOT a kernel issue, what else could it be? motherboard firmware possibly?
2023-08-03 14:46:25	nl6720	yes. there are a few known MSI firmware issues, but with those you wouldn't even reach the boot loader
2023-08-03 14:46:36	nl6720	it could also be bad RAM
2023-08-03 14:46:43	richardt	hmm, that makes me somewhat hopeful
2023-08-03 14:47:17	richardt	re: bad ram. I'll try with only one stick
2023-08-03 14:47:47	nl6720	try it without both sticks to be doubly sure :P
2023-08-03 14:47:58	richardt	^^
2023-08-03 15:01:12	MrElendig	memtest86+
2023-08-03 15:01:39	NetSysFire	memtest86++
2023-08-03 15:01:50	MacGyver	memtest86+++
2023-08-03 15:02:19	MacGyver	(Does phrik do karma?)
2023-08-03 15:02:23	NetSysFire	yes
2023-08-03 15:02:25	NetSysFire	!karama
2023-08-03 15:02:26	phrik	NetSysFire: Eh?
2023-08-03 15:02:27	NetSysFire	uhhh lol
2023-08-03 15:02:30	NetSysFire	!karma
2023-08-03 15:02:30	phrik	NetSysFire: Highest karma: "alad" (42121), "demize" (42044), and "Spritzgebaeck" (536).  Lowest karma: "MrElendig" (-619), "bahn" (-23), and "gunix" (-8).  You (NetSysFire) are ranked 13 out of 2952.
2023-08-03 15:02:49	NetSysFire	!karma memtest86
2023-08-03 15:02:49	phrik	NetSysFire: memtest86 has neutral karma.
2023-08-03 15:04:08	ursa	!karma phrik
2023-08-03 15:04:08	phrik	ursa: Karma for "phrik" has been increased 55 times and decreased 45 times for a total karma of 10.
2023-08-03 15:04:41	ursa	I don't believe those 40k karmas are real
2023-08-03 15:05:06	nl6720	why not? maybe alad is just that good
2023-08-03 15:05:52	MrElendig	I have the best karma, its so high its overflowed
2023-08-03 15:05:57	MrElendig	that is how it works right?
2023-08-03 15:06:05	NetSysFire	MrElendig--
2023-08-03 15:06:08	NetSysFire	lets underflow it
2023-08-03 15:09:48	vqueiroz	I have a ideapad 3i, can I connect two monitors on it?
2023-08-03 15:10:10	jelle	why not
2023-08-03 15:10:15	vqueiroz	Can I have extended monitors with a single NVIDIA card?
2023-08-03 15:10:27	MrElendig	did you read the manual?
2023-08-03 15:10:39	jelle	extended monitors?
2023-08-03 15:10:44	vqueiroz	jelle: But how? It only has 1 HDMI port, 1 USB-C port, 2 USB ports e_e
2023-08-03 15:10:57	NetSysFire	usb c can be used for dp
2023-08-03 15:10:58	jelle	rip no DP
2023-08-03 15:11:44	vqueiroz	Maybe this? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2SZjI08z/image.png
2023-08-03 15:12:18	MrElendig	the usb-c port may or may not ahve dp alternate mode, since its intel its a fairly high chance that it does though
2023-08-03 15:12:30	predicament	i think i can do displayport through usbc
2023-08-03 15:12:32	MrElendig	either directly or trough docking station
2023-08-03 15:13:09	vqueiroz	What do you think about this docking station?
2023-08-03 15:13:13	vqueiroz	The one I suggested
2023-08-03 15:14:47	Namarrgon	stay away from displaylink docks
2023-08-03 15:14:51	jelle	vqueiroz: do you have HD monitors?
2023-08-03 15:15:13	vqueiroz	jelle: Yes, two Full HD monitors.
2023-08-03 15:15:17	vqueiroz	No 4K monitor ='(
2023-08-03 15:15:30	jelle	vqueiroz: that's good as you might not be able to easily drive 2x 4K
2023-08-03 15:15:53	vqueiroz	jelle: Are you sure? It's a GTX 1650 4 GB
2023-08-03 15:16:14	vqueiroz	I'm using optimus-manager, it's the best thing out there for linux with more than one graphics card
2023-08-03 15:16:36	jelle	vqueiroz: sure about?
2023-08-03 15:17:17	vqueiroz	jelle: I was gonna ask if you're sure I can'
2023-08-03 15:17:33	vqueiroz	I can't easily drive 2x 4K, but you already said "might"
2023-08-03 15:17:50	vqueiroz	So, you're already telling me you're not sure about what you're saying
2023-08-03 15:18:03	vqueiroz	Right?
2023-08-03 15:18:33	jelle	yes
2023-08-03 15:18:53	Namarrgon	which exact 3i model do you have?
2023-08-03 15:22:08	predicament	why does sbctl just say faileed to find EFI system partition?   And I Enrolled using -m just to be safe, it seemed to work just fine
2023-08-03 15:22:39	predicament	it said it got the microsoft key as well but i did sbctl verify and i says "failed to find EFI system partition"
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2023-08-03 15:22:50	Namarrgon	where is the ESP mounted?
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2023-08-03 15:23:17	predicament	/dev/nvme0n1p1
2023-08-03 15:23:42	nl6720	wrong answer
2023-08-03 15:24:12	vqueiroz	Namarrgon: 
2023-08-03 15:24:35	vqueiroz	Namarrgon: ideapad gaming 3i (core i5)
2023-08-03 15:24:35	predicament	?
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2023-08-03 15:25:06	predicament	wrong answer, okay
2023-08-03 15:25:21	predicament	that isnt particularly helpful
2023-08-03 15:25:49	nl6720	predicament: /dev/nvme0n1p1 is the device not the mountpoint
2023-08-03 15:25:59	predicament	yes
2023-08-03 15:26:07	predicament	it was mounted to /boot sorry
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2023-08-03 15:26:34	vqueiroz	I have this A9 mini cam, and the out of of `lsusb -t` and I see it uses the uvcvideo Linux driver, how can I get video from it using libusb? Here's the output of the command showing the port with the `Class=Video`: https://termbin.com/hwos
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2023-08-03 15:27:24	jelle	vqueiroz: what do you mean with "get video out of it using libusb"
2023-08-03 15:27:42	vqueiroz	video buffers or something.
2023-08-03 15:27:53	jelle	you'd just use /dev/video$X
2023-08-03 15:27:58	Namarrgon	predicament: it was or it still is?
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2023-08-03 15:28:56	Namarrgon	what is the exact sbctl command you're running?
2023-08-03 15:29:05	richardt	nl6720: wow! it actually _was_ a bad RAM stick! thank you for bringing it up!
2023-08-03 15:29:26	richardt	I can get into the live iso now with one stick
2023-08-03 15:29:28	nl6720	yay! I was right about something for once!
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2023-08-03 15:30:03	richardt	now to figure out how to re-use my old install ... but I think I earned myself a cup of coffee first :-)
2023-08-03 15:30:04	predicament	is again.  rebooted to get back into setup mode
2023-08-03 15:30:43	predicament	yeah still says it.
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2023-08-03 15:31:24	predicament	what the hell why would it even say this
2023-08-03 15:31:39	Namarrgon	what is the exact sbctl command you're running?
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2023-08-03 15:31:53	predicament	for that output, "sbctl verify"
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2023-08-03 15:32:15	predicament	to "check what files needt o be signed for secure boot to work"
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2023-08-03 15:45:55	nl6720	jelle: couldn't a secure boot bypass be possible if the signed boot loader is explicitly made to boot anything?
2023-08-03 15:45:57	predicament	no need to come at me like that.  and yeah, was planning on taking a break jelle .. not much choice.
2023-08-03 15:46:21	jelle	nl6720: hmmm maybe no idea honestly
2023-08-03 15:46:32	NetSysFire	it could
2023-08-03 15:46:33	jelle	predicament: I am giving you a recommendation, so you don't annoy half of the staff here
2023-08-03 15:46:45	nl6720	unless it uses the standard UEFI boot paths
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2023-08-03 15:47:04	predicament	Yeah I said I was going to do so.
2023-08-03 15:47:36	predicament	the "come at me" was meant for alad not you lol
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2023-08-03 16:37:16	MrElendig	lsof /dev/snd/* or look at the running services
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2023-08-03 16:50:24	TheDcoder	Hi, can anyone help me debug this error with archinstall? https://github.com/archlinux/archinstall/issues/1982
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2023-08-03 16:50:57	TheDcoder	I think it's due to some failed partitioning, but I can't scroll back to check what exactly went wrong.
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2023-08-03 16:52:00	TheDcoder	Ah, it's in the log
2023-08-03 16:52:22	TheDcoder	`Partprobe was not able to inform the kernel of the new disk state (ignoring error): ['/usr/bin/partprobe', '/dev/sda1'] exited with abnormal exit code [1]: : Partition(s) 1, 2, 3, 4 (...) 64 on /dev/sda1 have been written, but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the change, probably because it/they are in use.  As a result, the old partition(s) will remain in use.  You should reboot now
2023-08-03 16:52:24	TheDcoder	before making further changes.``
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2023-08-03 16:52:33	abi_	hola archers, I'm really stuck, I try to umount /dev/nvme0n1p3 and it says it's not mounted but when I try to swaplabel or mkswap it says it's busy/mounted, any advice?
2023-08-03 16:53:07	TheDcoder	abi_: you need to supply the actual mount point, not the device
2023-08-03 16:53:13	abi_	ahh
2023-08-03 16:53:17	abi_	ty
2023-08-03 16:53:19	TheDcoder	use findmnt to find the mount point if you are unsure
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2023-08-03 16:57:31	abi_	TheDcoder: got it, fixed it, tyvm :)
2023-08-03 16:57:49	TheDcoder	abi_: yw :)
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2023-08-03 16:58:35	Saphire	Hi! Does anyone know how to coax the boot stuff to do the automagical automounting of the root and boot FS?
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2023-08-03 16:59:13	Saphire	I wonder `root=...` cmdline for kernel might be disrupting that, but shrug
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2023-08-03 16:59:47	Saphire	Actually not sure if the systemd generator is on the initramfs in first place, but I am assuming it is?
2023-08-03 16:59:51	astralc	gpt parition type
2023-08-03 16:59:55	Namarrgon	https://man.archlinux.org/man/systemd-gpt-auto-generator.8#DESCRIPTION
2023-08-03 16:59:57	phrik	Title: systemd-gpt-auto-generator(8) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
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2023-08-03 17:01:38	Saphire	Hm. So it still needs a cmdline of at least "root=gpt-auto"?
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2023-08-03 17:02:59	Saphire	(Which is kinda missing from being mentioned anywhere else)
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2023-08-03 17:05:04	astralc	you can also do it without root=
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2023-08-03 17:05:51	astralc	but you must have correct partition type for /
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2023-08-03 17:07:08	Namarrgon	i'm not confident that arch's initramfs will boot without root=
2023-08-03 17:07:23	astralc	I tried it now in vm
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2023-08-03 17:15:45	Saphire	Heh
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2023-08-03 17:16:17	Saphire	I don't have anything but the `root=...` in my /etc/kernel/cmdline file and removing it makes mkinitcpio do the fallback thing of fetching it from the /proc/cmdline
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2023-08-03 17:16:49	Saphire	Guess I can shove a "quiet" in there?
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2023-08-03 17:23:16	Furai	I've read wiki and I still don't quite get it how to get gnome to work with wayland if I use nvidia. I know that in the past I've disabled it in gdm, now I've enabled it back on and I'm still getting X11 sessions instead of wayland. Is this some nvidia crap or something? I'm not sure if I need there environment variables mentioned in wiki.
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2023-08-03 17:24:33	Gagis	its an nvidia thing, should be in the wayland with nvidia article somewhere
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2023-08-03 17:25:10	Gagis	ah, I was wrong, its here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GDM#Wayland_and_the_proprietary_NVIDIA_driver
2023-08-03 17:25:12	phrik	Title: GDM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-08-03 17:27:32	jalley	Hey, I am trying to follow the wiki directions on getting a zfs root install on my laptop, but am seeing a strange error message that I'm pretty sure means I've done something obvious but cannot figure it out. I'm booting with refind and getting to the zfs password prompt but then seeing error messages saying zroot/data/home cannot be moutned at /new_root//home due to cananicalization error: no
2023-08-03 17:27:32	jalley	such file or directory
2023-08-03 17:28:06	jalley	from the shell I can see my zpool has been imported
2023-08-03 17:28:51	NetSysFire	any reason why you are using zfs?
2023-08-03 17:29:05	◣	Saphire (saphire@lunar.exchange) ha abandonado #archlinux (What do people write in here?)
2023-08-03 17:29:10	jalley	NetSysFire, yes, I wanted "easy" encryption
2023-08-03 17:30:32	NetSysFire	often btrfs is perfectly sufficient and isnt such a hassle. if you wrap it in luks that is
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2023-08-03 17:33:00	jalley	yup, i'm using that setup on another machine, but really want to get a zfs on root setup for this laptop. I'm SOOO close as is, it's booting to the zpool, prompting for the password during boot, but then crapping out with this weird new_root message for the /home and /root volumes
2023-08-03 17:33:32	jalley	from the emergency shell i can see the zpool and all the mount points appear correct
2023-08-03 17:33:57	NetSysFire	got it. from the emergency shell you can access dmesg or the journal, depending on which hooks you chose
2023-08-03 17:34:36	llua	given there is a cananicalization error, i would start with removing the multiple // in the mount attempt
2023-08-03 17:35:20	jalley	llua, yeah not sure where that's coming from, zfs list shows the 3 voumes mount points are /, /home and /root
2023-08-03 17:36:16	NetSysFire	the system log may tell you
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2023-08-03 17:37:44	jalley	no journalctl command and dmesg doesn't show anything i can see related to the mount
2023-08-03 17:37:45	TheDcoder	Isn't it a "canonicalization" error?
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2023-08-03 17:38:24	NetSysFire	likely a typo because theres no way to paste from the emergency shell
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2023-08-03 17:40:04	TheDcoder	I saw the same thing twice so I wasn't sure :)
2023-08-03 17:40:24	jalley	TheDcoder, yep i think that's on me
2023-08-03 17:40:33	TheDcoder	archinstall is very buggy... didn't even manage to create a proper install with vanilla config in VBox
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2023-08-03 17:41:25	NetSysFire	i'd bet the dev would like to fix them, theres #archinstall
2023-08-03 17:41:58	jalley	yeah that wiki article ain't great, goes way off into left field with grub errors but is not real clear about boot setups
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2023-08-03 17:43:00	NetSysFire	as an official archwiki maintainer i can confirm that the archwiki definitely needs help updating articles like this
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2023-08-03 17:43:31	jalley	which is at least part of my "goal" here... if I learn something to pass it along
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2023-08-03 17:43:53	jalley	and i may well be on the brink of learning something ;)
2023-08-03 17:44:05	TheDcoder	NetSysFire: already reported it on GitHub, don't really have the time to continue debugging it
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2023-08-03 17:44:26	NetSysFire	jalley: theres also #zfs
2023-08-03 17:44:42	TheDcoder	NetSysFire: as a fellow official archwiki contributor, I agree
2023-08-03 17:45:18	NetSysFire	you are a contributor, but i actually have an official role and privs to go with that
2023-08-03 17:45:37	jalley	NetSysFire, yup, i've got the luxury of time on this project. This is just my "travel" laptop.
2023-08-03 17:45:46	alad	mr official
2023-08-03 17:45:49	◣	Bardon_ (~Bardon@user/Bardon) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2023-08-03 17:45:58	NetSysFire	alad: oi let me humble brag
2023-08-03 17:46:08	NetSysFire	and officially encourage other people to contribute
2023-08-03 17:46:13	alad	archinstall has been in a "I want to fix it" state for the past 2 years
2023-08-03 17:46:17	NetSysFire	i have more recent edits than you!
2023-08-03 17:46:22	alad	wowowoowwww
2023-08-03 17:46:33	alad	NetSysFire: 95% of the wiki has more recent edits than me
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2023-08-03 17:47:00	NetSysFire	i have a better streak than you, too
2023-08-03 17:47:09	NetSysFire	so i am at uh
2023-08-03 17:47:18	alad	I think my streak is from somewhere in 2015
2023-08-03 17:47:18	NetSysFire	929 days apparently
2023-08-03 17:47:26	alad	when I was bored in the physics lab for 50 consecutive days
2023-08-03 17:47:30	NetSysFire	someone needs to lock you up in that lab again
2023-08-03 17:47:35	NetSysFire	no more dancing for you
2023-08-03 17:47:41	alad	rip
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2023-08-03 17:48:06	TheDcoder	alad: wow, it's been 2 years since the release? why isn't it working properly yet? :P
2023-08-03 17:48:20	NetSysFire	because its all work done by volunteers
2023-08-03 17:48:23	alad	TheDcoder: I don't know man
2023-08-03 17:48:35	alad	the fedora installer hasn't worked properly for 15 years, and people who are actually paid work on it
2023-08-03 17:48:40	TheDcoder	me neither
2023-08-03 17:48:46	◣	zaszi (~zaszi@user/zaszi) ha salido (Quit: zaszi)
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2023-08-03 17:48:59	NetSysFire	alad: arent arch staff paid in steam decks now?
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2023-08-03 17:49:12	alad	NetSysFire: one time payment for 10 years of work
2023-08-03 17:49:13	TheDcoder	alad: it worked fine the last time I tried it 9 years ago
2023-08-03 17:49:21	NetSysFire	alad: thats better than 99% of distros
2023-08-03 17:49:30	alad	TheDcoder: but did you do heinous things like press the "Back" button
2023-08-03 17:49:33	susi	how should I extract EXIF outta jpeg?
2023-08-03 17:49:36	TheDcoder	yo where do I sign up for arch staff? I need a deck
2023-08-03 17:49:45	NetSysFire	exiftool -a= -overwrite_original bla.jpg
2023-08-03 17:50:01	teraflops	If I were in a lab I would synthesize LSD
2023-08-03 17:50:04	TheDcoder	alad: I'd take that over debugging obscure partitioning issues :P
2023-08-03 17:50:08	alad	TheDcoder: that ship has long sailed
2023-08-03 17:50:17	susi	nice
2023-08-03 17:50:26	NetSysFire	TheDcoder: simple: attach this shackle to your ankle and your nearest wall, then you get your assignments off alad or jelle
2023-08-03 17:50:42	TheDcoder	alright, when do I get the deck?
2023-08-03 17:50:43	alad	if I'm nearby, I will remove your face and attach it to my face wall
2023-08-03 17:50:59	◣	mikey (~mikey@user/mikey) ha salido (Quit: Leaving)
2023-08-03 17:51:25	NetSysFire	TheDcoder: after 10 years
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2023-08-03 17:52:03	alad	next year I will celebrate my 10th arch birthday
2023-08-03 17:52:09	NetSysFire	my condolences
2023-08-03 17:52:14	◣	B-| (~b-pipe@109.172.181.75) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2023-08-03 17:52:15	alad	my fans will send me razor blades in the mail
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2023-08-03 17:52:29	NetSysFire	so you can finally shave yourself?
2023-08-03 17:52:34	alad	>:|
2023-08-03 17:52:34	TheDcoder	NetSysFire: I'll need the deck 2 then
2023-08-03 17:52:40	NetSysFire	nope, only deck 1
2023-08-03 17:52:47	NetSysFire	its in your contract
2023-08-03 17:53:12	NetSysFire	alad: also since when do you out of all people have fans
2023-08-03 17:53:28	NetSysFire	alad: https://nurluefter.de/luefter
2023-08-03 17:53:29	phrik	Title: NurLuefter (at nurluefter.de)
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2023-08-03 17:53:35	TheDcoder	air cons are expensive, fans are cheap
2023-08-03 17:53:47	NetSysFire	these fans cant send mail tho
2023-08-03 17:54:05	◥	B-| (~b-pipe@109.172.181.75) has joined #archlinux
2023-08-03 17:54:27	TheDcoder	we have smart fans now
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2023-08-03 17:55:49	TheDcoder	they can send you a mail when your subscription for "smart fan speed boost" feature expires
2023-08-03 17:56:01	NetSysFire	*email
2023-08-03 17:56:28	alad	e-Mail
2023-08-03 17:56:48	NetSysFire	*De-Mail
2023-08-03 17:56:57	TheDcoder	It's just Gmail now
2023-08-03 17:57:12	NetSysFire	De-Mail is german bullshit. i say that as a german
2023-08-03 17:57:18	alad	NetSysFire: einfach, nachweisbar und vertraulich
2023-08-03 17:57:24	◥	hollowman (~hollowman@openSUSE/member/hollowman) has joined #archlinux
2023-08-03 17:57:28	NetSysFire	just like you?
2023-08-03 17:57:43	◣	hollowman (~hollowman@openSUSE/member/hollowman) ha salido (Client Quit)
2023-08-03 17:57:49	alad	na klar
2023-08-03 17:57:55	Ennea	alad does not tick the "vertraulich" box :p
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2023-08-03 17:58:00	alad	wowowowoow
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2023-08-03 17:58:10	NetSysFire	Ennea: no, vertraulich as in classified
2023-08-03 17:58:22	Ennea	oh yea, that works i suppose
2023-08-03 17:58:48	diep	Hi guys, any tips to try to undo `rm -rf` command entered accidently?
2023-08-03 17:58:56	NetSysFire	backups
2023-08-03 17:58:56	teraflops	backups
2023-08-03 17:58:58	alad	oh the brief in digitaler brief means you have to pay 50cents for each mail
2023-08-03 17:58:58	NetSysFire	!next
2023-08-03 17:58:59	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2023-08-03 17:59:01	alad	what an amazing innovation
2023-08-03 17:59:10	TheDcoder	gluten tag, el senor
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2023-08-03 17:59:27	TheDcoder	diep: QPhotoRec
2023-08-03 17:59:32	diep	I dont have any backup sadly
2023-08-03 17:59:56	diep	I removed ~/.local/share dir
2023-08-03 18:00:11	BrainDamage	immediately stop using the drive, and run photorec from a live iso or another pc
2023-08-03 18:00:26	BrainDamage	the more you use it, the less chance you'll have to recover the data
2023-08-03 18:00:53	diep	ok thx I'll check photorec
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2023-08-03 18:01:37	teraflops	don't you have to use photorec from a different drive?
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2023-08-03 18:01:51	BrainDamage	you have to
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2023-08-03 18:01:56	NetSysFire	yes but the archiso should be capable
2023-08-03 18:02:00	NetSysFire	at least in memory
2023-08-03 18:02:01	BrainDamage	at the very least, another partition
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2023-08-03 18:03:44	TheDcoder	I'd just use SystemRescueCD (it's Arch with preinstalled packages)
2023-08-03 18:03:50	TheDcoder	diep: ^
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2023-08-03 18:12:34	bjourne2	is there a way to check the file list of a package at an earlier version?
2023-08-03 18:12:57	gromit	bjourne2: you can download the file from the arch linux archive
2023-08-03 18:12:59	gromit	!ala
2023-08-03 18:13:00	phrik	Let's flip through it to hunt our lovely bugs: <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_Archive>. The Arch Linux Archive itself can be browsed at <https://archive.archlinux.org/>.
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2023-08-03 18:21:14	lmat	I'm running pacman -Syu; and I get "installing fmt (10.0.0-1) breaks dependency 'libfmt.so=9-64' required by dolphin-emu-git". Seems legit...what do I do?
2023-08-03 18:21:21	◣	trev (~trev@user/trev) ha salido (Quit: trev)
2023-08-03 18:21:42	lmat	I tried pacman -Rsu dolphin-emu-git; and I get: 
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2023-08-03 18:22:04	lmat	nevermind!  pacman -Rsu dolphin-emu-git;  didn't do anything, but   pacman -Rsu dolphin-emu-git dolphin-emu-nogui-git;  worked fine! (Thank you, tab-complete)
2023-08-03 18:22:19	teraflops	lmat that looks like an aur package
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2023-08-03 18:22:47	lmat	teraflops: Totally.
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2023-08-03 18:22:56	ℹ 	luna_flock es conocido ahora como luna_
2023-08-03 18:23:03	lmat	I removed it, so now fmt upgrade to 10 should be fine.
2023-08-03 18:23:14	teraflops	or rebuild it against latest fmt
2023-08-03 18:23:26	lmat	I might do that after the upgrade.
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2023-08-03 18:30:41	carbolymer	what's the best way to view man pages? this stopped working for me https://www.tecmint.com/view-colored-man-pages-in-linux/ so I'm wondering if there are newer fancier ways 
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2023-08-03 18:30:44	phrik	Title: How to View or Display Colored Man Pages in Linux (at www.tecmint.com)
2023-08-03 18:31:29	lmat	carbolymer: Never seen colored man pages! I've been using the 1970s man I guess...
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2023-08-03 18:32:55	carbolymer	oh it still works, somehow I don't have MANPAGER set
2023-08-03 18:33:02	carbolymer	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Color_output_in_console#man
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2023-08-03 18:33:03	phrik	Title: Color output in console - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-08-03 18:33:34	meatswets	I'm curious why that stopped working
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2023-08-03 18:34:18	carbolymer	meatswets: somehow my MANPAGER got unset
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2023-08-03 18:34:34	teraflops	there was as an issue with maybe groff weeks ago 
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2023-08-03 18:34:50	teraflops	but iirc that was solved
2023-08-03 18:35:47	alad	carbolymer: GROFF_NO_SGR=1 man ...
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2023-08-03 18:36:18	kilomite	I just checked my journal logs and there was bootctl complaining about efi dir being worl readable. since the partition was fat32, i changed permissions on fstab and rebooted. now lsblk looks different NAME        MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINTS
2023-08-03 18:36:22	kilomite	nvme0n1     259:0    0 238.5G  0 disk
2023-08-03 18:36:25	kilomite	├─nvme0n1p1 259:1    0   300M  0 part /efi
2023-08-03 18:36:27	kilomite	│                                     /boot
2023-08-03 18:36:30	kilomite	├─nvme0n1p2 259:2    0    10G  0 part [SWAP]
2023-08-03 18:36:32	kilomite	└─nvme0n1p3 259:3    0 228.2G  0 part /home
2023-08-03 18:36:35	kilomite	                                      /
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2023-08-03 18:37:00	kilomite	also, my root dir has seperate efi and boot dirs. which contains the same files
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2023-08-03 18:37:10	alad	phrik: give kilomite paste
2023-08-03 18:37:11	phrik	kilomite: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-08-03 18:37:12	carbolymer	alad: oh this works
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2023-08-03 18:41:06	kilomite	https://paste.rs/XKj7s
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2023-08-03 18:41:54	kilomite	how messed up is my install now?
2023-08-03 18:42:08	meatswets	looks like your partition 3 is mounted twice
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2023-08-03 18:42:33	meatswets	check /etc/fstab
2023-08-03 18:42:45	kilomite	yes. i reverted the changes in fstab
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2023-08-03 18:43:09	kilomite	https://paste.rs/WBvCJ
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2023-08-03 18:43:57	meatswets	see how you have the same partition being mounted in two places? / and /home ? you probably don't want that
2023-08-03 18:44:21	kilomite	well thats btrfs subvolumes
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2023-08-03 18:45:02	luna_	Or, as an Arch fanboy would say nowadays, something “required manual intervention”.
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2023-08-03 18:45:14	meatswets	ah, it's btrfs 
2023-08-03 18:45:38	kilomite	its just the fat32 partition being messes up
2023-08-03 18:45:44	kilomite	messed*
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2023-08-03 18:47:20	teraflops	rip
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2023-08-03 18:48:12	meatswets	what's messed up about it?
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2023-08-03 18:48:55	kilomite	same partition is being mounted for boot and efi
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2023-08-03 18:49:17	kilomite	my root dir now has both /boot and /efi
2023-08-03 18:49:26	◣	graves (~graves@user/graves) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2023-08-03 18:49:32	kilomite	which wasn't the case before
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2023-08-03 18:52:26	sangy	kilomite: how do you know it's the same partition?
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2023-08-03 18:53:25	sangy	or you can leave as well whatever it's not like I became emotionally attached to your partition issue
2023-08-03 18:53:46	◣	irb (~irb@attrition.maleficarum.org) ha salido (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2023-08-03 18:55:23	susi	sangy: to an objective bystander, it almost looks like you *did* attach yourselves emotionally
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2023-08-03 18:56:27	susi	but it's okay, flossin''s a serious business
2023-08-03 18:56:33	Ennea	understanding jokes 101 with susi 😁
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2023-08-03 18:59:16	astralc	tsunderesangy 
2023-08-03 18:59:22	ttnk	hi, i cant login with lightdm and cinnamon and i have no idea on how to debug it, i tried to transfer the config of my laptop to a VM running on proxmox, the strange thing is that at login screen if i select gnome or openbox i can login
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2023-08-03 18:59:38	ttnk	but if i select cinnamon y makes a loop and the login page shows again
2023-08-03 18:59:50	sangy	!grab astralc 
2023-08-03 18:59:51	phrik	sangy: Tada!
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2023-08-03 19:00:42	susi	heh, grabbin' quotes concerning 'emselves
2023-08-03 19:02:56	meatswets	ttnk: paste your /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
2023-08-03 19:03:06	meatswets	not in the channel
2023-08-03 19:03:35	susi	just set a 3s 'sleep' between lines and it's fine
2023-08-03 19:04:26	ttnk	!paste
2023-08-03 19:04:27	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2023-08-03 19:05:55	teraflops	ttnk: check journal, and xorg log
2023-08-03 19:06:03	teraflops	!xorg log
2023-08-03 19:06:04	phrik	xorg's log can be found in one of several places: the system journal, /var/log/ or $HOME/.local/share/xorg/
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2023-08-03 19:07:33	ttnk	meatswets: http://ix.io/4CgF
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2023-08-03 19:08:13	susi	it's been a long time since I used lightdm, but it provides logs too, maybe /var/log/lightdm or something
2023-08-03 19:08:20	susi	then there's .xsession-errors too
2023-08-03 19:08:39	susi	me too had to often debug breakages with it
2023-08-03 19:08:51	◣	astar (~astar@user/astar) ha salido (Quit: astar)
2023-08-03 19:09:34	ttnk	i disabled lightdm and im trying with startx by now to see whats going on
2023-08-03 19:09:48	susi	I finally decided I don't need such a tool, any DM, and that there are plenty of good reasons to just log in to a VC; no big deal to run `startx` (or if I had multiple wms/envs, whatever command)
2023-08-03 19:11:00	teraflops	a DM has its advantages tho
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2023-08-03 19:11:14	ttnk	this is the log from /var/log/Xorg.0.log   http://ix.io/4CgJ
2023-08-03 19:11:26	susi	ttnk: do you have ~/.xsession-errors files?
2023-08-03 19:11:52	meatswets	[    13.528] (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)
2023-08-03 19:12:01	susi	that should be okay
2023-08-03 19:12:05	ttnk	i have that and an .old one, the old one only have something about tutanota, the other one is empty
2023-08-03 19:12:09	teraflops	hat's the log fromn the vm
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2023-08-03 19:12:27	teraflops	that's the log from the vm, right?
2023-08-03 19:12:46	ttnk	meatswets: i installed it yesterday and nothing changed, i uninstalled it because i compared the modules from my laptop where i took the config and it isnt installed
2023-08-03 19:12:50	◣	atticf (~atticf@user/atticf) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2023-08-03 19:12:55	ttnk	teraflops: yes
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2023-08-03 19:13:48	meatswets	this log looks like x loaded ok to me 
2023-08-03 19:13:59	ttnk	i think the problem is somewhere in cinnamon, because if i select gnome from lightdm or openbox, both start with no problem, the only problem is with cinnamon
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2023-08-03 19:14:02	susi	I don't see anything wrong in that Xorg log
2023-08-03 19:14:17	susi	ttnk: did you try `startx <cinnamonthingie>' ? 
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2023-08-03 19:16:02	susi	or I mean, however this cinnamon is started
2023-08-03 19:16:33	susi	it probably has it's own command
2023-08-03 19:16:37	meatswets	you can put exec cinnamon-session in your xinitrc
2023-08-03 19:16:44	teraflops	ttnk: try `rm ~/.Xauthority`
2023-08-03 19:16:48	ttnk	http://ix.io/4CgL
2023-08-03 19:16:55	teraflops	and restart lightdm
2023-08-03 19:16:58	susi	ttnk: that's some binary file
2023-08-03 19:17:08	susi	ttnk: try running `cinnamon-session' in tty2
2023-08-03 19:17:13	wiscii	lightdm.service
2023-08-03 19:17:23	abi_	bootctl install returns a couple errors, Mount point /efi which backs the random seed file is world accessible, which is a security hole same for random seed file. I've followed the steps here: https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/bootctl-install-outputs-some-warnings-about-efi-mount-point-and-random-seed-file-in-the-terminal/43991/7 of adding fmask=0137 and dmask=0027 to fstab then remounted the
2023-08-03 19:17:24	phrik	Title: "bootctl install" outputs some warnings about /efi mount point and random seed file in the terminal - #7 by pebcak - Installation - EndeavourOS (at forum.endeavouros.com)
2023-08-03 19:17:25	abi_	partition, still get these errors. 
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2023-08-03 19:17:47	ttnk	teraflops: i already tried to delete that file, i also did a backup but it didnt work
2023-08-03 19:17:49	ttnk	ill do it again
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2023-08-03 19:18:23	teraflops	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/LightDM#Troubleshooting ·6.16 has a couple of recomendations
2023-08-03 19:18:24	phrik	Title: LightDM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-03 19:19:11	◣	x00 (~x00@user/x00) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2023-08-03 19:19:13	susi	ttnk: have you tried running `cinnamon-session' in tty2?
2023-08-03 19:19:28	susi	I guess it would fail and output something useful
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2023-08-03 19:20:08	meatswets	there is a difference between cinnamon-session-cinnamon2d and cinnamon-session your lightdm config has it commented out but mentions cinnamon2d I think that's the software rendering one
2023-08-03 19:20:09	ttnk	teraflops: the problem still persist, ill paste .xinitrc and .dmcr also, give me a sec
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2023-08-03 19:20:24	ttnk	susi: no i havent, let me try
2023-08-03 19:20:48	susi	please try
2023-08-03 19:21:01	ttnk	http://ix.io/4CgP
2023-08-03 19:21:05	susi	the proublem shouldn't be in your dotfiles
2023-08-03 19:21:20	ttnk	http://ix.io/4CgQ
2023-08-03 19:21:26	susi	you are choosing the one to start from LightDM, which means it executes a .desktop file from /usr/share/xsessions
2023-08-03 19:21:40	susi	if your dotfiles were broke, other WM/DE's wouldn't start as well
2023-08-03 19:22:11	susi	or hmm, what are you doing there
2023-08-03 19:22:38	susi	anyway, try running cinnamon-session from tty2 vc to see what it outputs, and maybe it even has some verbosity options
2023-08-03 19:22:40	ttnk	susi: where
2023-08-03 19:22:54	◣	jerry_ (~jerry@ool-457e1332.dyn.optonline.net) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2023-08-03 19:22:55	susi	I thought you were using LightDM?
2023-08-03 19:23:15	susi	anyway, using that .xinitrc, what `startx' outputs?
2023-08-03 19:23:32	devoid_C	not xorg is gone, wayland is future, why talking all this?
2023-08-03 19:23:40	devoid_C	now*
2023-08-03 19:23:44	teraflops	…
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2023-08-03 19:23:58	ttnk	susi: i couldnt c&p the result, but i uploaded a screenshot of it
2023-08-03 19:24:24	meatswets	xorg is still what some people want
2023-08-03 19:24:26	ttnk	devoid_C: i read about wayland and i dont need/want to use it really
2023-08-03 19:24:26	susi	okay, show the shot
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2023-08-03 19:26:23	ttnk	http://ix.io/4CgT
2023-08-03 19:26:30	teraflops	ttnk: startx &> logfile
2023-08-03 19:26:32	susi	ttnk: ix.io only understands text
2023-08-03 19:26:45	susi	ttnk: output it to `curl -F 'file=@-' 0x0.st'
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2023-08-03 19:27:22	ttnk	susi: not really, the last url i put is the image of the screenshot from tty2
2023-08-03 19:27:24	susi	okay, no need for that
2023-08-03 19:27:31	susi	I opened the stream in feh
2023-08-03 19:27:40	susi	it's just nicer to view the pics in a browser
2023-08-03 19:28:03	susi	yes, but I had to download it and output it to feh in stdout, couldn't view it in the browser
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2023-08-03 19:28:21	ttnk	the error is something with xf86Enable IO operation not permitted, i tried to find something about that but couldnt find a solution
2023-08-03 19:28:29	◣	dcb (~dcb@user/dcb) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2023-08-03 19:28:37	ttnk	im viewint it on the browser
2023-08-03 19:28:49	teraflops	ttnk: do any DE/WM start there? is this still the vm?
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2023-08-03 19:29:26	ttnk	teraflops: it works with gnome & openbox
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2023-08-03 19:29:54	ttnk	i dont have configured openbox but i could use it instead of cinnamon, but the thing is what the heck is going on ja
2023-08-03 19:29:58	susi	ttnk: have you done -Syu recently?
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2023-08-03 19:30:03	susi	if not, do it and then reboot
2023-08-03 19:30:09	ttnk	yes, yesterday
2023-08-03 19:30:37	ttnk	doing it right now
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2023-08-03 19:31:01	meatswets	failed to open bochs-drm?
2023-08-03 19:31:17	meatswets	kmsro driver missing?
2023-08-03 19:31:17	susi	how does your xorg.conf.d driver-related files look like?
2023-08-03 19:31:33	susi	so you're sure other DEs open fine?
2023-08-03 19:31:38	ttnk	~http://ix.io/4CgX
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2023-08-03 19:32:00	ttnk	yes the do, thats the strangest thing
2023-08-03 19:32:09	ttnk	and what make me think is a cinnamon problem
2023-08-03 19:32:23	meatswets	ls /usr/lib/dri/bochs-drm_dri.so
2023-08-03 19:32:37	meatswets	you might have a mesa problem
2023-08-03 19:32:43	susi	ttnk: do you have a .desktop file for cinnamon under /usr/share/xsessions? 
2023-08-03 19:33:12	ttnk	meatswets: ls: no se puede acceder a '/usr/lib/dri/bochs-drm_dri.so': No existe el fichero o el directorio
2023-08-03 19:33:19	susi	and do you have some bochs-drm stuff configured somehow for cinnamon or for xorg
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2023-08-03 19:33:29	ttnk	it says it coulnt be accessed or the file doesnt exist
2023-08-03 19:33:40	meatswets	try reinstalling mesa
2023-08-03 19:33:57	ttnk	ok, as soon the update finishes
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2023-08-03 19:35:19	ttnk	i reinstalled mesa and the same
2023-08-03 19:35:25	ttnk	i'll reboot, give me a sec
2023-08-03 19:35:30	meatswets	sudo pacman -S --overwrite "*" mesa
2023-08-03 19:37:24	ttnk	meatswets: the same
2023-08-03 19:37:29	meatswets	lsmod | grep kms
2023-08-03 19:37:47	ttnk	nothing
2023-08-03 19:37:53	ttnk	no kms
2023-08-03 19:38:37	meatswets	are you running nvidia amd or intel gpu?
2023-08-03 19:40:06	ttnk	meatswets: how can i know, im running a vm on proxmox, give me a sec and ill try to find out
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2023-08-03 19:42:42	meatswets	I'm kind of curious.... is your user in the video group?
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2023-08-03 19:44:07	ttnk	meatswets: i saw that and it isnt, but my laptop that is where i took the original configuration from isnt either
2023-08-03 19:44:29	ttnk	this are the groups the user is part of   scanner vboxusers autologin plugdev input wheel ttnk
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2023-08-03 19:44:46	meatswets	you might need to adjust the udev rules is what I'm thinking
2023-08-03 19:44:54	meatswets	honestly idk
2023-08-03 19:45:23	ttnk	and theres also something strange, as i told you if i choose openbox for instance, it works, should it work not being part of video group?
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2023-08-03 19:46:40	meatswets	well ... that might be true if you are using software rendering
2023-08-03 19:46:41	ttnk	it says the video group doesnt exist
2023-08-03 19:46:47	meatswets	have you tried using the 2d version?
2023-08-03 19:47:24	meatswets	cinnamon-session-cinnamon2d
2023-08-03 19:49:11	ttnk	meatswets: i change it on .dmrc and .xinitrc to cinnamon2d restarted lightdm but still the same
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2023-08-03 19:49:53	meatswets	what about using 2d version with startx instead of lightdm?
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2023-08-03 19:50:09	meatswets	if that doesn't work then lightdm will never work
2023-08-03 19:50:14	grawity	you do not need to be part of video group or any group really
2023-08-03 19:50:31	grawity	what you do need is to have start/xinit run X on the same tty that you're in, instead of going over to tty7 or something
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2023-08-03 19:50:45	grawity	because then it can ask logind for any access it needs
2023-08-03 19:51:05	grawity	arch's startx does this automatically (unless you're customized your ~/.xserverrc); xinit does not
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2023-08-03 19:51:42	ttnk	i tried to run startx without lightdm and the same error
2023-08-03 19:52:04	meatswets	well at least we ruled out lightdm
2023-08-03 19:52:29	meatswets	software rendering should work on everything including proxmox vms I would think
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2023-08-03 19:52:50	meatswets	missing kms... that's just strange I thought all kernels had that built in now a days
2023-08-03 19:53:27	ttnk	http://ix.io/4Ch3
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2023-08-03 19:54:16	ttnk	what is this?   bochs-drm: /usr/lib/dri/bochs-drm_dri.so
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2023-08-03 19:54:35	meatswets	afaik that's a mesa driver
2023-08-03 19:54:39	ttnk	and this also   xf86EnableIO: failed to enable I/O ports 0000-03ff (Operation not permitted)
2023-08-03 19:55:08	grawity	*_dri.so is how Mesa (opengl) talks to the kernel GPU drivers
2023-08-03 19:55:18	grawity	bochs is specifically one of the virtual Qemu GPUs
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2023-08-03 19:58:51	ttnk	this is gnome working   http://ix.io/4Ch7   and openbox  http://ix.io/4Ch8     isnt it weird?
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2023-08-03 19:59:53	ttnk	i appreciate your help guys, i have to leave now, i just think i have to use openbox
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2023-08-03 20:12:25	joel135	hello, could you help me with installing java?
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2023-08-03 20:13:38	joel135	i had a couple of old versions of openjre/openjdk apparently, which i removed. then i installed jre-openjdk-headless	jre-openjdk jdk-ppenjdk java-runtime-common  java-environment-common as listed at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/java
2023-08-03 20:13:40	phrik	Title: Java - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-03 20:14:09	joel135	but javac says: Error: Unable to load main class com.sun.tools.javac.Main in module jdk.compiler
2023-08-03 20:14:10	joel135	        java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /usr/lib/jvm/java-20-openjdk/lib/libnio.so: /usr/lib/jvm/java-20-openjdk/lib/libnio.so: undefined symbol: reuseport_available
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2023-08-03 20:15:09	joel135	(tried running # archlinux-java fix but no difference)
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2023-08-03 20:15:21	teraflops	joel135: did you setup the current java using archlinux-java command?
2023-08-03 20:15:37	joel135	does my last message answer your question?
2023-08-03 20:16:23	teraflops	I obviously didn't read while posting mine
2023-08-03 20:16:33	joel135	btw `archlinux-java status` only lists the new one i.e. `java-20-openjdk (default)`
2023-08-03 20:16:39	joel135	ok
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2023-08-03 20:17:20	joel135	isn't it weird that it mentions `com.sun.tools`? shouldn't open* be sun-free perhaps?
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2023-08-03 20:18:37	teraflops	why did you install all those packages isnt only jdk what you want? (javac)
2023-08-03 20:18:38	joel135	it may be that i have traces of some old non-openjdk install of java lying around somewhere...
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2023-08-03 20:19:54	joel135	at first i installed only jre-openjdk jdk-openjdk and then -headless was automatically added; when that gave me the above error i read some more on wiki and saw java-runtime-common & java-environment-common so i installed those too in hopes of fixing the error
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2023-08-03 20:20:19	astralc	check your JAVA_HOME
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2023-08-03 20:20:43	joel135	astralc: heh it says ... /android-technologies/scala/graalvm-ce-java11-21.0.0.2 xD
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2023-08-03 20:25:32	joel135	ah i also needed `LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/lib/jvm/default/lib/server:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH"`
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2023-08-03 20:34:03	joel135	seems to be working now, thanks :)
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2023-08-04 18:55:53	Ennea	zenof, a custom keyboard layout might be just what you're looking for
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2023-08-04 19:05:11	zenof	Ennea, I was afraid someone would say so... ;) then,  where do I start?  for example, in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/us I have some lines that look very similar to what I am used to from xmodmap. But, adding a line with "key <AC05> {	[	  g,	G  , dead_greek ]	};" or something like that does not work.
2023-08-04 19:06:16	zenof	Is there a tutorial how to create a custom layout out there somewhere?
2023-08-04 19:06:39	Ennea	there are tons, and every single one is incomplete as far as i can tell :)
2023-08-04 19:07:24	Ennea	the first thing you'll want in your custom layout/symbols file is an include at the very top: include "level3(ralt_switch)"
2023-08-04 19:07:37	Ennea	you can take a peek at what that does by looking at the level3 file (also in the symbols folder)
2023-08-04 19:07:47	zenof	I mean, all I want is to take my current layout and add something like: "when altgr+g is pressed, fire dead_greek"
2023-08-04 19:07:57	Ennea	with that include, your sample line above should work. the third symbol specified can be typed with altgr
2023-08-04 19:08:28	zenof	okay, I'll have a look at level3(ralt_switch).
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2023-08-04 19:08:42	Ennea	you can grep for that too, see how other existing layouts do it
2023-08-04 19:09:04	zenof	ooh, do I have to put that line into /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/level3 ?
2023-08-04 19:09:18	Ennea	no, you have to put that include line into your custom symbols file
2023-08-04 19:09:28	Ennea	let's say you `cp us us2`, you add that include i gave you to the us2 file
2023-08-04 19:09:42	Ennea	best if you grep for ralt_switch and check out an existing layout :)
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2023-08-04 19:10:56	zenof	but, shouldn't I then include the whole "us" symbols in my "us2" ?
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2023-08-04 19:12:57	Ennea	you can do that also if you want to use it as a base and just modify a select few entries
2023-08-04 19:13:22	Ennea	i.. did not do that. i can't remember if i was running into any problems with that
2023-08-04 19:13:30	Ennea	i just copied over the us layout and modified it
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2023-08-04 19:15:40	zenof	okay, sorry, but I am really confused on how the layouts work. the first match in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/us is a block which starts with "partial alphanumeric_keys" ...
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2023-08-04 19:23:17	Ennea	zenof, every xkb_symbols "block" in the us file is one variant of the us layout
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2023-08-04 19:23:50	Ennea	not sure how you're setting your active layout, but if you're using a DE with a proper GUI for this, you should see all the options you have when selectin the US layout
2023-08-04 19:24:27	Ennea	and if you scroll down a bit and take a look at all the variants, you can see that they're all including the "basic" block from the same file. the basic block is at the very top of the file
2023-08-04 19:24:32	Ennea	that's really the only one you need to copy
2023-08-04 19:24:41	Ennea	(or include, whatever you prefer)
2023-08-04 19:25:21	zenof	right, that's beneath defaults xkb_symbols "basic" { ...
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2023-08-04 19:27:10	zenof	for example, in this block I have a line "key <AC05> {        [         g,    G               ]       };"
2023-08-04 19:28:28	zenof	now, I would like to add a symbol (right term?) "dead_greek" to the g-key when it's pressed along with the altgr-modifier.
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2023-08-04 19:30:46	Ennea	just add a comma after the G and then add your extra symbol after
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2023-08-04 19:30:57	zenof	so I hoped that the third entry inside [] would do 
2023-08-04 19:31:09	zenof	but it doesn't
2023-08-04 19:31:22	Ennea	did you add the include i told you about earlier?
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2023-08-04 19:32:41	Ennea	to simplify communication, here's my custom layout: https://bpa.st/LOIQ
2023-08-04 19:32:42	phrik	Title: View paste LOIQ (at bpa.st)
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2023-08-04 19:32:48	zenof	"key <AC05> {        [         g,    G , dead_greek              ]       };" plus loading it with setxkbmap ends up with no effect, pressing altgr+g immediately prints the g
2023-08-04 19:33:26	Ennea	i showed you mine, will you show me yours? ;p
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2023-08-04 19:37:21	zenof	https://bpa.st/KY7Q
2023-08-04 19:37:22	phrik	Title: View paste KY7Q (at bpa.st)
2023-08-04 19:38:05	zenof	shortened as it exceeded the limit
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2023-08-04 19:39:18	Ennea	can't even find your dead_greek in there anywhere
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2023-08-04 19:40:26	Ennea	but why not start off by removing all the stuff you don't need. everything but the "basic" block
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2023-08-04 19:44:27	zenof	okay, here is my new us2. https://bpa.st/X2ZA
2023-08-04 19:44:27	phrik	Title: View paste X2ZA (at bpa.st)
2023-08-04 19:44:58	zenof	and, yes, the include here is commented out, as setxkbmap refuses to load the file when it's uncommented.
2023-08-04 19:45:09	zenof	still, neither works
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2023-08-04 19:45:38	Ennea	i think you just re-uploaded my layout ;p so it doesn't work at all with the include? that's curious
2023-08-04 19:46:54	zenof	ugh. wait.
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2023-08-04 19:48:20	zenof	https://bpa.st/EVIQ
2023-08-04 19:48:21	phrik	Title: View paste EVIQ (at bpa.st)
2023-08-04 19:48:32	zenof	that is my new us2
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2023-08-04 19:50:07	Ennea	does setxkbmap give you any errors if you try loading that?
2023-08-04 19:50:10	zenof	$ setxkbmap us2 -> Error loading new keyboard description
2023-08-04 19:50:15	Ennea	... very verbose
2023-08-04 19:50:34	Ennea	oh, it has a verbosity flag
2023-08-04 19:50:43	Ennea	try calling it with -v 10
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2023-08-04 19:51:12	zenof	yea, Warning! Multiple definitions of keyboard layout         Using command line, ignoring X server
2023-08-04 19:51:33	zenof	this might be b/c the name inside the file is the same...
2023-08-04 19:51:39	Ennea	might be :) try changing it
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2023-08-04 19:52:16	zenof	that is the ' name[Group1]= "English (US)"; ' part, right?
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2023-08-04 19:52:45	zenof	do I then have to load the layout with any other variant passed?
2023-08-04 19:53:18	Ennea	yea, go change that name. can't say i understand the second question, though
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2023-08-04 19:54:26	zenof	changed it to 'name[Group1]= "mine";' -> same error
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2023-08-04 19:55:25	zenof	moved the old "us" out of X11 path. still the same.
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2023-08-04 19:56:01	Ennea	moving the existing us file elsewhere is just a desaster waiting to happen ;)
2023-08-04 19:56:07	zenof	as I said, when I comment out that include, setxbmap loads the layout.
2023-08-04 19:56:16	Ennea	honestly, i have no clue why it's not working..
2023-08-04 19:56:20	Ennea	hm
2023-08-04 19:56:20	zenof	I promise I will stick it back.
2023-08-04 19:56:37	Ennea	so, assuming your paste above is correct, your include line has some trailing spaces at the end
2023-08-04 19:56:42	Ennea	this is a super long shot, but remove those..?
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2023-08-04 19:58:11	zenof	nope, still multiple definitions.
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2023-08-04 19:59:36	zenof	even if I remove the dead_greek part
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2023-08-04 20:00:02	Ennea	then i'm out of ideas :|
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2023-08-04 20:02:09	zenof	hmmm. me too. 
2023-08-04 20:02:14	zenof	thanks anyway!
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2023-08-04 20:06:35	zenof	turns out I can't load _any_ layout anymore...
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2023-08-04 20:25:00	zenof	Ennea, okay, fixed it. I don't know what or when things went wrong. I copied the whole .../symbols dir from another machine, re-did the editing - now working as expected. 
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2023-08-04 21:06:17	ccha	hello, for makepkg --nodeps, does it mean skip depends=() but still install makedepends=() or still all deps?
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2023-08-04 21:07:24	Furai	Okay, now I'm getting kind of worried. It's the second machine that I've updated and it has problems with nvidia and gnome. Forces me to log out all the time. I really need to get down to the issue but it seems that recent combination of updates doesn't like Gnome + xorg so I'm trying to switch to wayland but I'm kind of lost here. No idea what I'm doing wrong. According to wiki on recent
2023-08-04 21:07:26	Furai	hardware/software I shouldn't force it to use GBM as it should work out of the box. Or maybe I'm misreading it.
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2023-08-04 21:11:39	teraflops	Furai: it just works, follow the wiki, you can use DM or not. if you use GDM you have to `ln -s /dev/null /etc/udev/rules.d/61-gdm.rules` so GDM can show you wayland session
2023-08-04 21:11:52	domino14	could someone help me figure out wtf is wrong with my computer. every so often it just locks up. It just happened again right now when I was on wikipedia and clicked on an image. Became completely unresponsive
2023-08-04 21:12:11	teraflops	that said, I do gnome + nvidia and did not notice any issue
2023-08-04 21:12:31	Furai	teraflops, this part also seemed like optional but I'll try it.
2023-08-04 21:12:38	ccha	ah in fact it's --syncdeps, but it looks install all deps. I want to install only makedepends=() only. Is there a way for that?
2023-08-04 21:12:46	domino14	I sshed into it and that gave me no problems. So I did a ps aux | grep chromium and killed the top one; it didn't kill it, but after a few seconds I heard the most violent fan spinning sound I've heard from it, and it started almost to smell like faint burning
2023-08-04 21:12:50	teraflops	Furai: the ln? I don't think so
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2023-08-04 21:13:13	Furai	I have 510+
2023-08-04 21:13:16	Namarrgon	domino14: anything gpu related in the logs?
2023-08-04 21:13:19	domino14	ps aux still worked but the load was high (uptime). sudo reboot didn't do anything. it says it's going down for reboot but nothing happens. still violent fan sound 
2023-08-04 21:13:22	Furai	And it claims it's not needed there.
2023-08-04 21:13:29	Furai	Anyway, I'll try.
2023-08-04 21:13:32	domino14	i had to hold down the power button to turn it off
2023-08-04 21:13:40	domino14	could you help me figure out what kind of logs to look at?
2023-08-04 21:13:47	Furai	I have nothing to lose at this point and I've dedicated this evening to finally fixing it.
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2023-08-04 21:13:59	domino14	it was the cpu fan that was spinning btw
2023-08-04 21:13:59	Namarrgon	domino14: the journal of the previous boot, journalctl -b-1
2023-08-04 21:14:06	Furai	Been working during the week using my old laptop.
2023-08-04 21:14:17	Furai	Need to get it sorted for next week.
2023-08-04 21:14:34	Furai	So should I force that GBM with env vars
2023-08-04 21:14:36	Furai	?
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2023-08-04 21:14:48	teraflops	last time I tried ai did nothing special
2023-08-04 21:14:54	teraflops	ai/I
2023-08-04 21:15:25	Furai	Just overriding in udev rules in etc?
2023-08-04 21:15:29	domino14	!paste
2023-08-04 21:15:29	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-08-04 21:15:48	teraflops	Furai: nothing ;)
2023-08-04 21:15:55	domino14	yeah a lot of stuff that looks like this Namarrgon https://bpa.st/JUPQ
2023-08-04 21:15:56	phrik	Title: View paste JUPQ (at bpa.st)
2023-08-04 21:16:11	domino14	it goes on forever
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2023-08-04 21:16:27	Namarrgon	the start would be interesting
2023-08-04 21:16:28	domino14	then some msgs like Aug 04 15:04:03 themonolith kernel: NVRM: Going over RM unhandled interrupt threshold for irq 167
2023-08-04 21:16:33	Furai	teraflops, I wonder then what's up with my setup that it won't work for me.
2023-08-04 21:16:51	teraflops	what does not work, wayland?
2023-08-04 21:17:21	teraflops	which driver are you using?
2023-08-04 21:17:22	domino14	the msg before my log seems unrelated and is 14 minutes before: Aug 04 14:50:54 themonolith plasmashell[1324]: Could not find the Plasmoid for Plasma::FrameSvgItem(0x55eb71a40730) QQmlContext(0x55eb70ce5150) QUrl("file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.notifications/contents/ui/global/Globals.qml")
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2023-08-04 21:17:52	Furai	teraflops, ok, seems that overriding that udev rule made it boot in wayladn session, thanks.
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2023-08-04 21:17:59	teraflops	;)
2023-08-04 21:18:14	Furai	And at least now Gnome isn't crashing and forcing me to log out.
2023-08-04 21:18:49	Furai	I hope I won't get new issues connected to wayland itself but I'll just fix these as I go or just learn how to live with it.
2023-08-04 21:19:34	teraflops	using nvidia package from repos and plain gnome works for me on rtx2060s 
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2023-08-04 21:19:43	DodoGTA	Is setting CC/CXX the only way to enable ccache per-package?
2023-08-04 21:19:58	⚡ 	teraflops sshs to the machine
2023-08-04 21:20:22	teraflops	Furai: nvm I'm on testing repos there
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2023-08-04 21:21:00	Furai	teraflops, till now I was using xorg, kind of on purpose. Let's give that wayland a try.
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2023-08-04 21:21:12	systwi	Hi all. I'm trying to use a tape drive on Artix (Arch-based) but it seems that the `mt` command is specifically excluded from the cpio package. Would anybody happen to know the reasoning behind this decision?
2023-08-04 21:21:20	Furai	Especially that else I can't boot.
2023-08-04 21:21:22	teraflops	idk how performant it is these days
2023-08-04 21:21:36	Furai	Anyway, it's supposedly the future. :P
2023-08-04 21:21:41	teraflops	;)
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2023-08-04 21:22:43	Furai	At least I've noticed recently that gnome developers don't pay much attention to xorg and it gets borked. Happened at least few times in the past.
2023-08-04 21:23:58	teraflops	nvidia is getting there so eventually it will just work with wayland (I wish)
2023-08-04 21:24:13	Furai	Maybe I shouldn't use nvidia-open?
2023-08-04 21:24:14	domino14	any idea what to do about those gfx card errors?
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2023-08-04 21:25:57	teraflops	systwi: other distros than arch linux are not supported here, did you ask in artix channels or forums?
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2023-08-04 21:26:55	systwi	I didn't, but considering it's removed from Arch itself (as per https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/cpio/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD ), I thought I'd ask here.
2023-08-04 21:26:56	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / cpio · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2023-08-04 21:27:30	teraflops	then wait maybe someone can answer you
2023-08-04 21:27:32	systwi	I don't believe using Artix over Arch in this case makes much of a difference.
2023-08-04 21:27:39	systwi	Okay, I'm in no hurry. :-)
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2023-08-04 21:27:46	ursa	if artix uses the archlinux package, then there is no difference
2023-08-04 21:27:54	Namarrgon	systwi: build it, or mt-st, yourself 
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2023-08-04 21:28:58	Namarrgon	mt was already excluded during the svn-import, so there's no history short of asking  aaron himself
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2023-08-04 21:29:45	systwi	I'm not positive if Artix uses the archlinux package specifically. I don't believe I know where I could check anyway. :-/
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2023-08-04 21:30:16	Namarrgon	check what?
2023-08-04 21:30:17	systwi	I was thinking on just building this from the AUR: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mt-st-git
2023-08-04 21:30:20	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - mt-st-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-08-04 21:30:41	systwi	< Namarrgon> check what? | Check if Artix uses the archlinux package.
2023-08-04 21:31:08	Namarrgon	ah, well, you'd have to ask them
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2023-08-04 21:31:11	systwi	But that's probably an Artix thing not allowed here.
2023-08-04 21:31:14	systwi	Right, yes.
2023-08-04 21:31:33	Namarrgon	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/cpio/-/commit/0cc9b45001e856629da8030c967934072e4b4701
2023-08-04 21:31:35	phrik	Title: Initial import of all packages (0cc9b450) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / cpio · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2023-08-04 21:33:44	systwi	Thanks for the link. Taking a look.
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2023-08-04 21:37:25	ursa	it means `mt` hasn't been part of archlinux for over 15 years now
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2023-08-04 21:38:12	systwi	Thank you. Gitlab was having trouble loading in my browser.
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2023-08-04 22:39:56	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/45CQ how can I fix this?
2023-08-04 22:39:57	phrik	Title: View paste 45CQ (at bpa.st)
2023-08-04 22:42:40	Namarrgon	sunyibo: is the system clock set correctly?
2023-08-04 23:05:50	sunyibo	it wasn't. It solved the issue. Thanks!
2023-08-04 23:31:46	ursa	in qemu, I've been using -machine q35 but should I instead be using -machine q35,accel=kvm?
2023-08-04 23:32:14	ursa	manpage says that it uses tcg by default
2023-08-04 23:32:22	ursa	but I am also using -enable-kvm parameter
2023-08-04 23:36:24	ursa	I did read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/QEMU#Enabling_KVM but I can't see that info in the blue box confirmed by anywhere else on the internet
2023-08-04 23:36:26	phrik	Title: QEMU - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-04 23:37:03	bswartz	Did you check that you CPU supports KVM?
2023-08-04 23:38:06	bswartz	ls /dev/kvm
2023-08-04 23:38:22	ursa	it does
2023-08-04 23:38:37	bswartz	Also check if virtualization is disabled in the bios
2023-08-04 23:39:19	bswartz	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/cpu-checker-bzr
2023-08-04 23:39:20	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - cpu-checker-bzr (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-08-04 23:39:24	ursa	I don't like that there are 3 or more ways of doing the same thing in qemu, `-accel kvm` or `-enable-kvm` or `-machine q35,accel=kvm` might all do the same thing, but it's not described anywhere
2023-08-04 23:39:27	bswartz	There's the package that runs all the checks for you
2023-08-04 23:39:54	bswartz	So the interface has changed over time
2023-08-04 23:40:00	bswartz	You're probably reading docs from different eras
2023-08-04 23:40:20	ursa	https://man.archlinux.org/man/qemu.1
2023-08-04 23:40:22	phrik	Title: qemu(1) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2023-08-04 23:40:32	ursa	would sure be nice if they marked some options as deprecated
2023-08-04 23:41:41	bswartz	So I use libvirt to create all my VMs, but when I look at the running ones, I see "-accel kvm" on the command line
2023-08-04 23:51:20	feinedsquirrel	I'm wondering if a line in the wiki needs fixed, if so, I have I can submit my draft. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration#DHCP has "dhcpcd@interface.service" in the "systemd unit" column, but https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration#Network_managers has "netctl-auto@interface.service" listed for dhcpcd. Shouldn't section 2.8 have the same entry as 2.7?
2023-08-04 23:51:21	phrik	Title: Network configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-04 23:51:24	ursa	https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2018-06/msg03376.html
2023-08-04 23:51:26	phrik	Title: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] Clean up accelerator options (at lists.gnu.org)
2023-08-04 23:54:44	Namarrgon	feinedsquirrel: THE netctl-auto@interface.service part should not be in the dhcpcd row
2023-08-04 23:54:46	Namarrgon	*the
2023-08-04 23:56:54	feinedsquirrel	Namarrgon: that is what I thought. Is it ok to replace it with the template unit option?
2023-08-04 23:57:00	Namarrgon	yes
2023-08-04 23:57:08	feinedsquirrel	great, I'll submit the change now.
2023-08-04 23:57:24	Namarrgon	it's probably a copy-paste error
2023-08-05 00:01:58	feinedsquirrel	Namarrgon: yeah, I figured  something like that was the cause, it is right next to netctl. Fixed now.
2023-08-05 00:58:14	No0n3Left	Hi, I have a new laptop and am trying to install arch on it but I cannot get the USB installer to boot. It holds for over 5 mins at "Copying rootfs image to ram". There are no error messages or anything, how can I go about figuring out the issue? Other OS work fine on the laptop including a ubuntu distro and windows 11
2023-08-05 00:59:57	nathan	I'd start by checking if the bios/firmware is up to date
2023-08-05 01:03:23	ectospasm	No0n3Left:  Do you have to use the installer?  IMHO the best way to install Arch is by following the install guide on the wiki.  Especially if you're not familiar with Arch at all.
2023-08-05 01:04:05	ectospasm	From my understanding, the installer is geared towards users who have installed Arch many times, and know what options they'd like to select in the installer.
2023-08-05 01:04:48	ectospasm	In the Arch Community you're expected to know how your system was set up.  If you just choose the defaults from the installer you won't know everything that was done.
2023-08-05 01:06:30	gehidore	No0n3Left at the boot loader menu select the option that doesn't copy to RAM
2023-08-05 01:07:42	No0n3Left	ectospasm: I was following the guide
2023-08-05 01:08:19	ectospasm	so the ISO isn't booting for you?  You said "installer" so I assumed you were using the Arch Installer.
2023-08-05 01:08:28	No0n3Left	Ive installed it before just never had this issue, yeah I meant ISO not installer sorry
2023-08-05 01:08:55	ectospasm	No0n3Left: did you pull a fresh ISO and verify its signature?
2023-08-05 01:09:10	ectospasm	I believe the August version was released recently.
2023-08-05 01:09:32	No0n3Left	I had one from about a month ago, I just updated it and it worked, proabably should have checked that first but thought mine was the latest version
2023-08-05 01:10:52	ectospasm	The ISO is typically released on the first of the month.
2023-08-05 01:11:17	ectospasm	Sometimes it can be delayed, but whenever I've needed one it's on the 1st
2023-08-05 01:15:24	No0n3Left	What EFI size is recommended by the way? Is 2G sufficient typically? Whatever I choose seems to not be enough typically.
2023-08-05 01:15:38	No0n3Left	ESP I mean
2023-08-05 01:17:56	bswartz	640k ought to be enough for anyone
2023-08-05 01:18:42	Furai	So if I understand correctly - currently in wayland there's no way to enable global shortcuts per application?
2023-08-05 01:19:05	Pikk3wyn	2G is fine
2023-08-05 01:19:14	Pikk3wyn	i usually do 1, doesnt really matter above that
2023-08-05 01:19:15	bswartz	Honestly I use 512MB
2023-08-05 01:19:16	Pikk3wyn	2G is fine
2023-08-05 01:19:35	Pikk3wyn	sorry repeated msgh
2023-08-05 01:43:43	Bitsandrush	Good evening, I need help with an IdeaPad 3 15ALC6.
2023-08-05 01:45:53	Bitsandrush	Temperature constantly at 90 degrees Celsius, with no processing consumption.
2023-08-05 01:46:46	Bitsandrush	I just can't find a way to force the fan at 100%.
2023-08-05 01:49:24	No0n3Left	Can you configure the fan curves in the laptops firmware? Thats what I have always done for fan control
2023-08-05 01:52:00	Pikk3wyn	Bitsandrush: you can try corectrl
2023-08-05 01:52:13	Bitsandrush	I don't have fan controls on this device.
2023-08-05 01:52:33	Pikk3wyn	Bitsandrush: are you sure?
2023-08-05 01:53:00	Pikk3wyn	actually corectrl probably wont help for cpu fan
2023-08-05 01:53:30	Pikk3wyn	Bitsandrush: do you know if it is the cpu fan that is not working? do you have rpm measurements
2023-08-05 01:53:36	Pikk3wyn	you can probably force it full in the bios
2023-08-05 01:53:50	Pikk3wyn	but first you need to see what fan is the issue 
2023-08-05 01:55:47	Bitsandrush	I'll try with corectrl, I'll be right back
2023-08-05 01:56:01	Pikk3wyn	wait lol
2023-08-05 01:56:17	Pikk3wyn	corectrl will at least be able to tell you the temps and fans
2023-08-05 01:56:29	Pikk3wyn	i doubt you can fix the cpu fan from there
2023-08-05 01:56:37	Pikk3wyn	but you can if its the gpu
2023-08-05 02:04:59	Bitsandrush	[20:52] <Bitsandrush> I don't have fan controls on this device.
2023-08-05 02:05:00	Bitsandrush	[20:52] <Pikk3wyn> Bitsandrush: are you sure?
2023-08-05 02:05:02	Bitsandrush	[20:53] <Pikk3wyn> actually corectrl probably wont help for cpu fan
2023-08-05 02:05:03	Bitsandrush	[20:53] <Pikk3wyn> Bitsandrush: do you know if it is the cpu fan that is not working? do you have rpm measurements
2023-08-05 02:05:05	Bitsandrush	[20:53] <Pikk3wyn> you can probably force it full in the bios
2023-08-05 02:05:06	Bitsandrush	[20:53] <Pikk3wyn> but first you need to see what fan is the issue 
2023-08-05 02:05:08	Bitsandrush	[20:55] <Bitsandrush> I'll try with corectrl, I'll be right back
2023-08-05 02:05:09	Bitsandrush	[20:56] <Pikk3wyn> wait lol
2023-08-05 02:05:11	Bitsandrush	[20:56] <Pikk3wyn> corectrl will at least be able to tell you the temps and fans
2023-08-05 02:05:12	Bitsandrush	[20:56] <Pikk3wyn> i doubt you can fix the cpu fan from there
2023-08-05 02:05:14	Bitsandrush	[20:56] <Pikk3wyn> but you can if its the gpu
2023-08-05 02:05:23	Bitsandrush	sorry by past 
2023-08-05 02:06:07	Bitsandrush	sensors , does not list fans .
2023-08-05 02:06:11	Bitsandrush	corectrl, does not list ventilation control
2023-08-05 02:06:47	Namarrgon	did you run sensors-detect first?
2023-08-05 02:08:50	No0n3Left	Not really arch specific but the only time the hash algorithm is used in dm-crypt is when manipulating keys/passwords and initially mounting a device, correct? It does not need to be ran for regular R/W operations? I am just curious if choosing a slow hashing algorithm would slow down disk operations
2023-08-05 02:09:39	Bitsandrush	yes i ran detect before
2023-08-05 02:11:39	Bitsandrush	corectrl already helped me a little, I forced a frequency governor to powersave , now I'm at 50 degrees
2023-08-05 02:13:07	Bitsandrush	by default ideapad 3 uses "intelligent-cooling", apparently there is nothing about intelligent
2023-08-05 02:13:46	Namarrgon	how did you check that there is no 'processing' going on?
2023-08-05 02:15:23	Soni	how do you enable xf86-video-libcaca?
2023-08-05 02:15:48	Namarrgon	i don't
2023-08-05 02:16:51	Bitsandrush	I checked, and even then the cpu was reaching 4 GHz, for no apparent reason
2023-08-05 02:17:00	Namarrgon	how did you check?
2023-08-05 02:17:10	Pikk3wyn	Bitsandrush: are you sure it was not that the CLOCK was 4ghz
2023-08-05 02:17:23	Pikk3wyn	corectrl doesnt measure laod by ghz
2023-08-05 02:17:36	Pikk3wyn	in fact you cant measure load by ghz
2023-08-05 02:18:25	Bitsandrush	default, using htop, ps 
2023-08-05 02:18:51	Namarrgon	are you sure you were watching the kernel threads too?
2023-08-05 02:23:10	Pikk3wyn	Bitsandrush: with desktop use your cpu will regularly spike, that's why load average is the most common way\
2023-08-05 02:37:29	Bitsandrush	I'll keep investigating to find out what's forcing the cpu at 4 GHz, kernel threads are clean.
2023-08-05 02:39:01	Bitsandrush	even so upset about not being able to force the fan.
2023-08-05 02:39:20	Bitsandrush	In /sys find only /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.3/PNP0C09:00/VPC2004:00/fan_mode
2023-08-05 02:39:48	Namarrgon	check the interrupts, too
2023-08-05 02:48:54	Pikk3wyn	Bitsandrush: its not forcing it to 4ghz
2023-08-05 02:49:13	Pikk3wyn	there is a differerence between the cpu clock being at 4ghz and the cpu being fully utilised
2023-08-05 02:49:44	Pikk3wyn	the cpu clock is determined by your power management gov 
2023-08-05 02:50:11	Pikk3wyn	it uses more power but has minimal effect on heat and has nothing to do with the problem :)
2023-08-05 02:50:52	Pikk3wyn	it's normal that you see it spiking, it is probably on ondemand or powersave, both (iirc) will allow the clock to reach full under load
2023-08-05 02:51:11	Pikk3wyn	don't focus on the 4ghz, it's irrelevant
2023-08-05 02:51:21	Pikk3wyn	the cpu clock isnt its load
2023-08-05 02:51:36	Pikk3wyn	:)
2023-08-05 02:51:41	Bitsandrush	I was referring to knowing what process is consuming to the point where the governed goes up to 4GHz
2023-08-05 02:51:49	Pikk3wyn	Bitsandrush: its irrelevant
2023-08-05 02:51:53	Pikk3wyn	it happens all the time 
2023-08-05 02:52:00	Pikk3wyn	literally all the time 
2023-08-05 02:52:13	Pikk3wyn	like, moving over tabs on a browser can make it 
2023-08-05 02:52:44	Pikk3wyn	Bitsandrush: being clocked up to 4ghz does not mean the cpu is generating heat from a full load
2023-08-05 02:52:57	Bitsandrush	apparently found the culprit, baloo
2023-08-05 02:53:12	Pikk3wyn	what's it doing
2023-08-05 02:55:33	Scimmia	of course it's baloo. It's always baloo if you're using plasma
2023-08-05 02:56:01	Scimmia	(I just got here, don't know the situation)
2023-08-05 02:56:08	Namarrgon	at least it wasn't dns
2023-08-05 02:56:35	Scimmia	first thing a lot of people do when running plasma, disable baloo
2023-08-05 02:56:45	Bitsandrush	I'll investigate, it's indexing a git on my home and suffering in the process
2023-08-05 02:58:11	Bitsandrush	damn, he was indexing the contents of a massive git, recipe for disaster
2023-08-05 02:59:55	Scimmia	if you don't need it, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Baloo#Disabling_the_indexer
2023-08-05 02:59:56	phrik	Title: Baloo - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-05 03:05:23	Bitsandrush	done, disabled, thanks for the doc
2023-08-05 03:07:09	Bitsandrush	even so I was curious about how to force 100% on the fan ( when I play rpcs3 hehe )
2023-08-05 04:17:58	Steven_M	Hi All :-)
2023-08-05 04:19:09	Steven_M	I get these pipewire-related errors (https://bpa.st/raw/VSVQ), even though I followed the instructions on the Archwiki's Pipewire page (pertaining to PulseAudio clients) exactly. Here's the output of me installing pipewire and its related packages (https://bpa.st/raw/7V3A); and here's the output of me "configuring" Pipewire (https://bpa.st/raw/IRDA). Any idea on what's wrong?
2023-08-05 04:21:46	Scimmia	Steven_M: they're user units, not system units
2023-08-05 04:24:06	Steven_M	Scimmia: oh okay, how do I enable/start them?
2023-08-05 04:24:43	Scimmia	They're enabled by default 
2023-08-05 04:25:02	Scimmia	But see systemctl --user
2023-08-05 04:32:06	djustice	Stevem_M sudo systemctl enable whatever.unit
2023-08-05 04:34:51	Scimmia	djustice: not gonna work
2023-08-05 04:45:08	Pikk3wyn	youre running it as root
2023-08-05 04:45:14	Pikk3wyn	it's a user service :)
2023-08-05 04:45:20	Scimmia	Steven_M: if you're having a problem, tell us what the actual problem is
2023-08-05 04:45:39	Pikk3wyn	his problem is he's looking for the status of a user service in the system :)
2023-08-05 04:45:47	Scimmia	yeah, we already covered that
2023-08-05 04:46:04	Pikk3wyn	they should probably start from the socket tho
2023-08-05 04:46:07	Scimmia	but they wouldn't be checking that if there wasn't an issue they were looking fro
2023-08-05 04:46:07	Scimmia	for
2023-08-05 04:46:20	Pikk3wyn	Steven_M: have you killed all the old ones etc/relogged since installing pipewire?
2023-08-05 04:46:34	Pikk3wyn	from the output you gave there is no error
2023-08-05 04:47:58	Pikk3wyn	also, i could be wrong, but i dont thiiiiink you should just copy all of those configs over like that
2023-08-05 04:48:27	Pikk3wyn	im pretty sure minimal.conf does not normally coexist
2023-08-05 04:48:29	Pikk3wyn	could be wrong
2023-08-05 04:48:42	Steven_M	Scimmia: Pikk3wyn: Okay, I can see that pipewire is running now. Sorry for making such a silly mistake. Thank you for your help :-)
2023-08-05 04:48:59	Pikk3wyn	haha nothing to apologise for, I'm glad it's working
2023-08-05 04:59:24	Steven_M	Scimmia: Pikk3wyn: Now that I know that everything is installed and enabled properly, I will reboot, start X, try to play something with sound, and see what happens.
2023-08-05 05:07:35	Pikk3wyn	Steven_M: you shouldn't copy those files over btw
2023-08-05 05:07:55	Pikk3wyn	only put them in there if you need to make a change to the default config
2023-08-05 05:08:04	Pikk3wyn	now if there are changes, it will put all .pacnew, etc
2023-08-05 05:12:20	djustice	Scimmia: what changed?
2023-08-05 05:14:48	Scimmia	djustice: nothing changed. Checking user units with sudo systemctl has never worked
2023-08-05 05:19:16	djustice	could you explain user units? or link me? i've been absent for ages.
2023-08-05 05:19:40	Scimmia	shouldn't be hard to google
2023-08-05 05:25:46	djustice	sadly i've lost my arch external. and every single usb… never get married. js.
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2023-08-05 20:09:03	ianliu	I'm trying to SSH into my desktop machine on IP 192.168.68.108. I was logged in, when suddenly my connection was lost. I can ping the IP, I can SSH through my phone using termux, I can even telnet 192.168.6.108 22 and I get an OpenSSH greetings response, but SSH'ing from my arch notebook is stuck. This is happening quite frequently, like once every 30 minutes
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2023-08-05 20:12:57	ianliu	this is the output of ssh -vvv 192.168.68.108:   https://termbin.com/nmk4
2023-08-05 20:13:06	MrElendig	make sure keepalive is on, both on tcp and ssh level
2023-08-05 20:13:36	MrElendig	and crappy routers loves to do silly tings, not to mention crappy isps
2023-08-05 20:14:01	MrElendig	if you are doing this over a remote connection
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2023-08-05 22:05:29	Amnesia	question, I've executed `systemctl --user enable --now some-service`, but it's still not started, once I login as the user (after boot)
2023-08-05 22:05:31	Amnesia	how can I achieve this?
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2023-08-05 22:13:40	teraflops	is there any info on journalctl --user -u some-service or systemctl --user status some-service ?
2023-08-05 22:13:59	teraflops	also which service is this?
2023-08-05 22:15:04	lfanew	Amnesia, if you run `systemctl status some-server` what does it say?
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2023-08-05 22:20:25	Amnesia	lfanew: Unit foot-server.service could not be found.
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2023-08-05 22:21:21	Amnesia	adding --user does return a valid service though, that states: `Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/foot-server.service; enabled; preset: enabled)`
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2023-08-05 22:22:38	teraflops	lfanew: you have to append --user
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2023-08-05 22:24:10	Amnesia	teraflops: no errors whatsoever
2023-08-05 22:24:18	Amnesia	but should that enable command also work on boot / login ?
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2023-08-05 22:28:36	teraflops	Amnesia: are you sure the service is enabled as you did? does it ship a .socket one? can you paste the output of systemctl --user cat foot-server.service ?
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2023-08-05 22:35:52	ℹ 	f_ es conocido ahora como f_[tm]
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2023-08-05 22:37:41	lfanew	So even though the service is enabled it might still be having trouble or crashing when you login. Might be worth checking out journactl: `journalctl --user-unit=foot-server.service`
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2023-08-05 22:38:22	ℹ 	f_[tm] es conocido ahora como f_______________
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2023-08-05 22:38:48	ℹ 	f_______________ es conocido ahora como funderscore
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2023-08-05 22:39:12	Amnesia	teraflops: it does indeed come with a socket!
2023-08-05 22:39:18	ℹ 	funderscore es conocido ahora como f_
2023-08-05 22:40:35	Amnesia	https://ix.io/4Cve
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2023-08-05 22:40:55	Amnesia	s/http/https *
2023-08-05 22:41:04	Amnesia	eh, the other way around -.-
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2023-08-05 22:42:20	Amnesia	suppose the issue is that the socket isn't enabled, will give that a shot tomorrow!
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2023-08-05 22:45:09	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1364 apodos (2 ops, 0 voces, 1362 normals)
2023-08-05 22:45:11	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-08-05 22:46:03	mpan	Amnesia: how do you determine the service is not started?
2023-08-05 22:46:17	Amnesia	mpan: ps / systemctl status
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2023-08-05 22:47:36	mpan	systemctl --user status foot-server.socket
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2023-08-05 22:50:27	Amnesia	that was disabled :)
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2023-08-05 22:50:49	mpan	The service has it in `Requires` and it should attempt to bring the socket up upon start.
2023-08-05 22:50:51	Amnesia	I only enabled the service, and not the service /and/ the socket
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2023-08-05 22:51:35	mpan	It should be brought up nonetheless.
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2023-08-05 22:51:41	⚡ 	Amnesia shrugs
2023-08-05 22:51:56	Amnesia	g2 go afk for a bit, will look at it again tomorrow!
2023-08-05 22:52:01	mpan	As lfgn said, see the journal. :)
2023-08-05 22:52:01	Amnesia	tyvm for your help guys <3 !
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2023-08-05 22:52:08	mpan	lfanew*
2023-08-05 22:52:18	Amnesia	comprende :)
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2023-08-05 22:53:16	teraflops	>teraflops ⎸ is there any info on journalctl --user -u some-service or systemctl --user status some-service ?
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2023-08-05 22:55:47	Amnesia	teraflops: nope
2023-08-05 22:56:05	Amnesia	but my journal just got flushed :>, so will have to check it tomorrow
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2023-08-05 22:58:36	susi	is --user-unit exactly same as --user + -u?
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2023-08-05 23:43:16	pulec	I recall maybe few years back that firefox didn't force me to restart it when it was upgraded
2023-08-05 23:43:40	pulec	I guess it's more than some settings in make config, eh?
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2023-08-06 00:03:28	edgy	Hi, when I go to System Settings (KDE) -> Spell check, there is a list of 4 languages in my case, where are this list coming from?
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2023-08-06 00:09:02	pulec	from: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE#Spell_checking
2023-08-06 00:09:03	phrik	Title: KDE - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-06 00:09:11	pulec	KDE applications use sonnet for spell checking. See its optional dependencies for the supported spell checkers.
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2023-08-06 00:09:52	pulec	my guess it's from what locales you generated, check for enabled with `grep -v "#" /etc/locale.gen`
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2023-08-06 00:25:54	edgy	pulec: my understanding is those languages are read from  /usr/share/hunspell/
2023-08-06 00:26:17	edgy	which is true in my case except for the language I pointed out which I don't know where is it coming from
2023-08-06 00:26:18	pulec	seems so
2023-08-06 09:15:35	predicament	i need help badly
2023-08-06 09:16:18	predicament	i've been reading and googlging and doing all of this bullshit to try including sbctl bootctl and other tools, even signed some of those efi files but it still wouldnt boot iwth secure boot on
2023-08-06 09:16:20	predicament	it made no sense.
2023-08-06 09:16:36	predicament	it was supposed to b working.
2023-08-06 09:17:08	predicament	i need it cause windows 11 needs it.  i decided on dualbooting if i get this tow ork
2023-08-06 09:17:50	predicament	also it does keep things secure, espcially when the windows entry isnt there.  thatsa notherreason.  just trying to prepare a usb
2023-08-06 09:47:10	sensille	i'm trying to use iio_info -S, but i get "ERROR: Unable to create Avahi DNS-SD client :Daemon not running". from what i read i don't need avahi because systemd-resolvd is doing the job. or is that only partly true?
2023-08-06 09:47:48	sensille	i'm not completely sure if there is any benefit to run avahi in addition to systemd-resolvd
2023-08-06 09:56:55	MrElendig	sensille: resolved only does mdns, it doesn't provide the full avahi features/api
2023-08-06 09:58:01	MrElendig	avahi/zeroconf
2023-08-06 09:58:21	sensille	so i disable the mdns part in resolved and install avahi
2023-08-06 09:59:26	MrElendig	sensille: and iio_info is explicitly using avahi as its backend for service discovery (on linux)
2023-08-06 09:59:54	MrElendig	https://github.com/analogdevicesinc/libiio/blob/master/dns_sd_avahi.c
2023-08-06 10:00:25	MrElendig	that should work yes
2023-08-06 10:00:37	MrElendig	install and enable*
2023-08-06 10:01:43	sensille	ok, thanks
2023-08-06 10:02:39	MrElendig	it needs some slight configuring to work
2023-08-06 10:05:04	sensille	nice, it works, that was easier than i expected
2023-08-06 10:27:24	onla	hmm after pacman -Syu my hp laptop's screen is awfully bright. There are some brightness buttons on keyboard but they don't respond
2023-08-06 10:29:35	HumanLove	onla: you need to bind the key
2023-08-06 10:29:52	HumanLove	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xbindkeys
2023-08-06 10:29:53	phrik	Title: Xbindkeys - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-06 10:30:31	kevku	possible https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/77789
2023-08-06 10:30:32	phrik	Title: FS#77789 : [systemd] updating resets keyboard layout / udev reload (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-08-06 10:32:58	gromit	onla: you could check with xev whether the keypress is acutally recognized
2023-08-06 10:33:51	onla	ok. I will check a bit later thanks. I installed a tool called "light" and set a lower brightness with that for now
2023-08-06 10:50:49	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-08-06 11:23:30	hseg	Hi, am editing the wiki, and want to add a footnote
2023-08-06 11:23:37	hseg	how do I do that?
2023-08-06 11:23:41	hseg	<ref> doesn't seem to work
2023-08-06 11:23:44	luna_	hseg: #archlinux-wiki
2023-08-06 11:23:49	hseg	ty
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2023-08-06 11:59:58	jaydemir	I have one of these newer laptops that handle sleep in a weird way. If I close the lid while the charger is unplugged, it goes to sleep as normal. However, after a while it abruptly shuts off the power. When I open the laptop in the morning I need to hit the power button and it boots Arch back up and tells me it needs to clean orphaned inodes or
2023-08-06 11:59:59	jaydemir	whatever (basically what it does when it
2023-08-06 12:00:09	jaydemir	when it's shut down abruptly
2023-08-06 12:00:51	jaydemir	Is there some kind of a setting/config I can set up to prevent that from happening? It's not an Arch issue per se, as it behaved the same way on Windows with the sleep>poweroff thing
2023-08-06 12:01:56	jaydemir	At one point I had it just shutdown on lid closure but I feel like that's a bit excessive.
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2023-08-06 12:08:18	jaydemir	oh, if it helps, the laptop is an Acer Swift 3 (2021-ish) and I'm using Plasma
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2023-08-06 18:03:31	Weaprime	Finally found a fix for my issue: https://github.com/alsa-project/alsa-ucm-conf/issues/229#issuecomment-1627570155 Thanks for the pointer to alsa-ucm
2023-08-06 18:04:16	HumanLove	MrElendig: --enable-features=UseOzonePlatform --ozone-platform=wayland fixed it but noe its scanlling issue 1.25 etc does not work
2023-08-06 18:04:33	HumanLove	should i change my browser?
2023-08-06 18:04:47	MrElendig	chromium is kinda bad anyway
2023-08-06 18:04:57	HumanLove	which one i shoudl pick?
2023-08-06 18:04:58	MrElendig	but, how did you tell it to scale?
2023-08-06 18:05:05	HumanLove	chromium flags
2023-08-06 18:05:24	HumanLove	chromium-flags.conf
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2023-08-06 18:05:33	MrElendig	tried --force-device-scale-factor=1.25?
2023-08-06 18:05:33	HumanLove	any ideas?
2023-08-06 18:05:41	HumanLove	wiat.
2023-08-06 18:05:50	HumanLove	yes
2023-08-06 18:05:56	MrElendig	non-int scaling is kinda terrible though
2023-08-06 18:06:49	HumanLove	so what ic an do now?
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2023-08-06 18:08:02	HumanLove	MrElendig: 1.50 worked
2023-08-06 18:08:11	HumanLove	i have the move window once to work
2023-08-06 18:08:18	HumanLove	with super + mouse
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2023-08-06 18:09:07	MrElendig	only non-crome/blink browser really is firefox
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2023-08-06 18:10:05	HumanLove	im removing chromium changing tto firefox
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2023-08-06 18:11:34	river	damn i upgraded and now KDE is bugged out
2023-08-06 18:11:34	MrElendig	firefox isn't really any better at scaling though 
2023-08-06 18:11:36	river	cant delet files
2023-08-06 18:11:41	river	bar at the bottom no longer works
2023-08-06 18:11:41	MrElendig	but at least its not chrome
2023-08-06 18:11:57	MrElendig	river: test with a new user
2023-08-06 18:12:55	HumanLove	i like wm's
2023-08-06 18:13:03	HumanLove	not going to river
2023-08-06 18:13:07	HumanLove	for*
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2023-08-06 18:14:12	HumanLove	MrElendig: thanks you helping me out with this. 
2023-08-06 18:14:18	⚡ 	HumanLove bows down
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2023-08-06 18:18:25	HumanLove	VScode have issue
2023-08-06 18:18:32	HumanLove	but i think work with vim orhelix
2023-08-06 18:18:39	HumanLove	or helix for coding
2023-08-06 18:18:55	HumanLove	if you know let me know
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2023-08-06 18:28:26	susi	I would say firefox's layout.css.devPixelsPerPx is pretty nice for scaling
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2023-08-06 18:28:50	susi	I have had it set to 0.81 for a longest time
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2023-08-06 18:30:05	susi	no artifacts
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2023-08-06 18:34:38	MrElendig	vscode is also electron so no surprise there
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2023-08-06 18:47:18	susi	I have SigLevel = Required DatabaseOptional TrustedOnly ... could I just minimize it to SigLevel = PackageRequired, and it's the same?
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2023-08-06 18:48:49	susi	does PackageRequired even exist anymore
2023-08-06 18:49:53	susi	yes it does, so the question stays
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2023-08-06 19:29:47	teraflops	 /reconnect 
2023-08-06 19:29:51	teraflops	oops
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2023-08-06 19:30:10	susi	haha epic failure!
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2023-08-06 20:52:54	armin	susi: yea the good old "about:config" -> "devpixel". ultra useful.
2023-08-06 21:10:25	nerdsrawesome12	So my fans are not showing up in the nvidia-settings and it concerns me. I read some articles that the fans will kick in iif the gpu is at a certain temperature and that's not what I want. I am using Geforce GTX 1660 ti ( and yes, I heard that nvidia is starting to produce crap now ) and I am using the closed-source drivers (nvidia) and I am using the nvidia_uvm for hardeware acceleration I
2023-08-06 21:10:25	nerdsrawesome12	think? I haven't really messed with udev rules 
2023-08-06 21:10:25	nerdsrawesome12	yet or perhaps I did but I don't remember lol. Anyways, some trouble shooting suggestions would be nice before I post again about my problems on a forum   
2023-08-06 21:16:25	susi	but if someone would mind answering... is PackageRequired === Required+DatabaseOptional+TrustedOnly (mind defaults)
2023-08-06 21:18:55	Namarrgon	nerdsrawesome12: what does 'nvidia-smi' return?
2023-08-06 21:19:19	Namarrgon	when the temperatures are low enough the ans just won't spin up
2023-08-06 21:19:23	Namarrgon	*fans
2023-08-06 21:23:52	Ennea	Namarrgon, mind you, that depends on the card. some cards will happily run their fans at all times
2023-08-06 21:25:30	Namarrgon	true but the 1660Ti should stop the fans
2023-08-06 21:26:18	Ennea	depends on who manufactured this particular one
2023-08-06 21:27:06	nerdsrawesome12	Namarrgon, let me see what it does return 
2023-08-06 21:28:50	nerdsrawesome12	here's the link: https://bpa.st/I4PQ  I know I have fans because I got on my knees and used a flash light and walla, there's a fan
2023-08-06 21:28:52	phrik	Title: View paste I4PQ (at bpa.st)
2023-08-06 21:29:43	Ennea	oh, it literally says you don't have any. that's a weird one
2023-08-06 21:29:50	Ennea	(also the world you're looking for is "voila")
2023-08-06 21:31:12	nerdsrawesome12	Which is not wrong cause I have fans. and you're right voila there no fans for some reason 
2023-08-06 21:31:53	Ennea	no, i mean, that does seem wrong. it says "N/A" for fan speed
2023-08-06 21:31:57	Ennea	mine says 0%
2023-08-06 21:32:32	nerdsrawesome12	Ennea, ah I did in fact read about people having their fanspeed at 0% 
2023-08-06 21:32:56	nerdsrawesome12	Would I suggest viewing my dmesg? I do have a couple things I would like someone to view
2023-08-06 21:33:15	Ennea	uhh.. i doubt i can help, but maybe somebody else can, so give it ;D
2023-08-06 21:33:38	Ennea	and the "N/A" for fan speed just feels like there's _no fan_, as opposed to the fans not running
2023-08-06 21:34:05	nerdsrawesome12	It's not running actually and that's very concering for me 
2023-08-06 21:35:06	nerdsrawesome12	Ah crumbs. How would I upload my dmesg output using wgetpaste? 
2023-08-06 21:36:30	nerdsrawesome12	Ah screw it. So I am concerned about "NVRM unixCallVideoBios: int10h(4f02, 0000) vesa called failed (42f02, 0000) 
2023-08-06 21:36:39	Namarrgon	!ix
2023-08-06 21:36:40	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2023-08-06 21:36:56	nerdsrawesome12	Oh, you guys use curl 
2023-08-06 21:39:24	nerdsrawesome12	Here it is: http://ix.io/4Cf9 and yeah I am using zfs 
2023-08-06 21:39:35	nerdsrawesome12	oh wait typo 
2023-08-06 21:39:54	nerdsrawesome12	http://ix.io/4CF9
2023-08-06 21:44:06	nerdsrawesome12	I had to follow the intel guide and create the i915.conf because I am using these hooks: http://ix.io/4CFa which I believe I could include the kms in my HOOKS but then again I am very nervous to do that cause zfs is very picky and how I have everything setup, it's working 
2023-08-06 21:46:22	nerdsrawesome12	Meh, I might actually do it who knows exactly. I am planning on optimizing it more but I am enjoying the fact that it initramfs works. But I need to worry about the fans first lol
2023-08-06 21:47:01	Namarrgon	so this is an optimus laptop?
2023-08-06 21:49:24	nerdsrawesome12	Namarrgon, before i answer what is a optimus laptop?
2023-08-06 21:50:10	Namarrgon	!aw optimus
2023-08-06 21:50:11	phrik	Namarrgon: Optimus - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Optimus
2023-08-06 21:51:45	nerdsrawesome12	Oh
2023-08-06 21:52:12	nerdsrawesome12	Yeah the graphics card is built in. So I guess it is a optimus laptop 
2023-08-06 21:53:36	Namarrgon	then the discrete gpu might not have its own fan
2023-08-06 21:54:57	Namarrgon	laptop cpus and gpus are often hooked up to a bunch of heatpipes that lead to one or two shared fans
2023-08-06 21:55:50	Namarrgon	even if the gpu does have a dedicated et of heatpipes and fan, the fan might not be hooked up in a way that the nvidia driver would recognise it as belonging to the gpu
2023-08-06 21:56:36	Namarrgon	if you still have windows installed check the fan-speed there
2023-08-06 21:57:32	nerdsrawesome12	I got rid long time ago, but I do remember that the fans were spinning when I had it installed. And what you're saying makes a lot of sense. I guess I will process the following article more  
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2023-08-06 21:59:07	nerdsrawesome12	Crap, to absolutely make sure that I am right, I really do have to install windows again
2023-08-06 21:59:36	Namarrgon	have you found anyone else who uses that model with linux?
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2023-08-06 22:02:02	nerdsrawesome12	Namarrgon, no I have not. I probably can find someone if I post a forum 
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2023-08-06 22:04:10	nerdsrawesome12	Does switcheroo-control also have a significant performance impact like bumblebee? 
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2023-08-06 22:06:28	nerdsrawesome12	I might be the first one with this wonky setup lol
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2023-08-06 22:11:18	Ennea	oh, you have a laptop. suddenly the "N/A" for the fan speed makes a lot of sense ;p
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2023-08-07 18:38:59	drathir_tor	post-factum: \o/
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2023-08-07 20:26:20	susi	is netctl cool for a mobile person often switching wireless access points?
2023-08-07 20:26:29	susi	switching between*
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2023-08-07 20:27:02	teraflops	netctl is quite old, I'd suggest NM
2023-08-07 20:27:17	susi	but I like minimalism
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2023-08-07 20:27:58	teraflops	isn't nmtui not minimal enough?
2023-08-07 20:28:16	susi	16.94 MiB v 96.23 KiB
2023-08-07 20:28:24	teraflops	oh I see
2023-08-07 20:28:29	teraflops	!bail
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2023-08-07 20:28:29	phrik	Looks like teraflops is bailing out on this one - good luck!
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2023-08-07 20:30:28	mefistofeles	yeah, I also like nm, but I guess flexibility comes with a price... no free lunch
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2023-08-07 20:31:56	susi	I'm afraid of large codebases, not that saving few MBs would be that critical
2023-08-07 20:32:20	mefistofeles	susi: fair
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2023-08-07 20:37:37	teraflops	are you suggesting that less code is better code?
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2023-08-07 20:38:39	NetSysFire	i dont think this is a good place to discuss that tbh
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2023-08-07 20:40:20	susi	I'm not suggesting anything as a general rule
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2023-08-07 20:44:26	Milos	Where can I go to find out why there is a delay in getting 3.11.4 into arch linux? It has several security fixes which remain vulnerable on 3.11.3.
2023-08-07 20:44:33	Milos	Python*
2023-08-07 20:44:41	Milos	https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/python/ + https://docs.python.org/release/3.11.4/whatsnew/changelog.html#python-3-11-4
2023-08-07 20:44:48	phrik	Title: Changelog — Python 3.11.4 documentation (at docs.python.org)
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2023-08-07 20:45:46	Milos	it was flagged as out of date 60 days ago
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2023-08-07 20:47:31	NetSysFire	!give Milos outdated
2023-08-07 20:47:32	phrik	Milos: Outdated package? (1) Flag it as out of date and be patient. (2) If you can't wait, build it yourself. (3) If more than three weeks have passed and you want to help updating it, tell the maintainer if the new version works or not. Do not forget to be kind or your mail shall be cast into oblivion
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2023-08-07 20:47:47	Milos	could you answer the question about finding out what the status is?
2023-08-07 20:47:48	NetSysFire	works or not = help update the PKGBUILD
2023-08-07 20:47:52	Milos	your response is very unhepful
2023-08-07 20:47:58	NetSysFire	it says email
2023-08-07 20:48:03	◣	Ogobaga (~guu@user/Ogobaga) ha salido (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2023-08-07 20:48:17	NetSysFire	or ping them on irc if they have irc
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2023-08-07 20:48:37	Milos	so the reliance of python on arch linux relies on 1 person?
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2023-08-07 20:48:52	NetSysFire	the maintainers are all volunteers
2023-08-07 20:49:06	NetSysFire	tl;dr: Faster If You Help™
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2023-08-07 20:57:16	SpaghettiCat	Hello, could anyone please help me understand why I get this error when I try to install Python packages from AUR?  I rebuilt any AUR python packages I had from older Python versions.  "importlib.metadata.PackageNotFoundError: No package metadata was found for mycli"
2023-08-07 20:57:32	SpaghettiCat	This package actually has no Python AUR dependencies, so why is it even erroring? https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mycli
2023-08-07 20:57:35	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - mycli (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-08-07 20:57:39	teraflops	NetSysFire: that kind of answers makes people think arch linux people are rude and elitist 
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2023-08-07 20:57:42	susi	SpaghettiCat: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/python/-/blob/main/EXTERNALLY-MANAGED
2023-08-07 20:57:43	phrik	Title: EXTERNALLY-MANAGED · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / python · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-08-07 20:57:56	NetSysFire	teraflops: what would you have said?
2023-08-07 20:58:18	NetSysFire	there is literally nothing else you can do in this case
2023-08-07 20:58:24	SpaghettiCat	susi:  hmm then why do Python packages exist in the AUR at all if we can't install from there?
2023-08-07 20:58:33	teraflops	not go help packaging it or help with the pkgbuild that's for sure
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2023-08-07 20:58:58	susi	SpaghettiCat: yeah, sorry, of course you can install them. nvm that
2023-08-07 20:59:17	teraflops	>tl;dr faster if you help :(
2023-08-07 20:59:34	NetSysFire	yes and what would you have said?
2023-08-07 20:59:35	SpaghettiCat	I am having trouble doing that due to the `importlib.metadata.PackageNotFoundError: No package metadata was found for XXXXX` error that I can't figure out :/
2023-08-07 20:59:48	teraflops	better say nothing
2023-08-07 20:59:57	NetSysFire	this is a peer-directed project and helping out is greatly appreciated and speeds up the process
2023-08-07 20:59:57	mefistofeles	Milos: Are the issues not covered in https://security.archlinux.org/package/python ?
2023-08-07 20:59:59	phrik	Title: python - Arch Linux (at security.archlinux.org)
2023-08-07 21:00:05	teraflops	NetSysFire: yeah whatever
2023-08-07 21:00:22	NetSysFire	unfortunately in this case i will have to disregard your criticism because its too vague
2023-08-07 21:00:29	mefistofeles	!fight
2023-08-07 21:00:30	phrik	mefistofeles: fight <an alias on #archlinux, 2 arguments>
2023-08-07 21:00:36	mefistofeles	meh
2023-08-07 21:00:38	SpaghettiCat	It seems that before people would say: "Use the Python package from Repos/AUR, don't use pip". Now some official instructions say use `pipx` instead, which is the opposite...
2023-08-07 21:00:48	NetSysFire	mefistofeles: its !fight <nick> <other nick>
2023-08-07 21:00:57	mefistofeles	NetSysFire: yeah, but that wasn't my intention
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2023-08-07 21:01:04	gromit	SpaghettiCat: Hmm, maybe something was pip installed? 
2023-08-07 21:01:09	mefistofeles	no
2023-08-07 21:01:16	NetSysFire	mefistofeles: it goes after the md5 hash of nicks and i will basically always lose in this case
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2023-08-07 21:01:21	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: python has now this thing called externally managed environments
2023-08-07 21:01:35	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: and that's the default behavior for distros, since some python versions ago
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2023-08-07 21:01:39	gromit	SpaghettiCat: installing via pacman ist still an advised option
2023-08-07 21:01:46	Milos	mefistofeles, I don't see CVE-2023-24329
2023-08-07 21:01:53	SpaghettiCat	gromit:  `pip list` shows around 40 packages. do you mean that they're conflicting with the package I'm trying to install? Then I will try to delete all these pip-installed packages
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2023-08-07 21:02:08	NetSysFire	unfortunately the security team is also veery idle currently due to lack of volunteer time
2023-08-07 21:02:08	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: what are you trying to install?
2023-08-07 21:02:22	SpaghettiCat	mefistofeles:  This package that has no Python AUR deps: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mycli
2023-08-07 21:02:22	mefistofeles	damn, arch seems shorthanded
2023-08-07 21:02:25	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - mycli (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-08-07 21:02:28	gromit	SpaghettiCat: no I just fear that maybe the importlib thing was installed via pip and therefore does not know about the other packages that are installed via pacman
2023-08-07 21:02:34	mefistofeles	I wish I could contribute more to it, will try to do that in the future
2023-08-07 21:03:06	SpaghettiCat	gromit:  I'm not sure how importlib can be installed separately, it's a core part of the Python distribution
2023-08-07 21:03:18	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: not necessarily
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2023-08-07 21:03:50	mefistofeles	distros can choose to separate components of the stdlib in different packages, but I don't think arch does that, so it should be there
2023-08-07 21:03:51	NetSysFire	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Getting_involved theres plenty you can do!
2023-08-07 21:03:52	phrik	Title: Getting involved - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-07 21:03:57	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: so, what problem are you getting?
2023-08-07 21:03:57	gromit	SpaghettiCat: its a package, so it can probably also be installed via pip https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/python-importlib-metadata/
2023-08-07 21:03:58	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - python-importlib-metadata 5.0.0-5 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2023-08-07 21:04:06	NetSysFire	i am unhelpful on IRC and do wiki maintenance and sometimes report bugs
2023-08-07 21:04:33	mefistofeles	gromit: that's a different package importlib-metadata != importlib
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2023-08-07 21:04:51	mefistofeles	NetSysFire: yeah, not much we can do with so little time
2023-08-07 21:05:03	SpaghettiCat	mefistofeles:  Installing the package succeeds, but running `mycli` results in this error; and I saw  the same error when I was trying to install a different AUR python package: https://dpaste.org/XUGMs
2023-08-07 21:05:07	phrik	Title: dpaste/XUGMs (Bash) (at dpaste.org)
2023-08-07 21:05:07	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/H_aw.txt
2023-08-07 21:05:32	NetSysFire	sometimes it can be as simple as bumping the version in the already existing PKGBUILD and then telling the maintainer: hey i built it myself, bumped the version and it appears to work
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2023-08-07 21:05:48	NetSysFire	if not, see if you can figure out how to fix the build and if so contribute your findings
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2023-08-07 21:06:12	mefistofeles	oh ok, so yeah, what gromit said... you seem to need the importlib-metadata package as well, seems like the AUr package has the dependencies wrong
2023-08-07 21:06:29	SpaghettiCat	gromit:  On my system `python-importlib-metadata` is installed via pacman. It also shows up in `pip list`. If I try to do `pip uninstall  importlib-metadata` it errors with "This environment is externally managed"
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2023-08-07 21:07:08	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: that last part seems fine
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2023-08-07 21:07:43	SpaghettiCat	Are not all 3 parts fine? That it's installed via pacman, it shows up in pip list and I can't uninstall it via pip? Then I wonder where is the problem
2023-08-07 21:07:53	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: what happens when you do `import importlib.metadata` on a python shell?
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2023-08-07 21:08:10	SpaghettiCat	mefistofeles:  successfully imports with no output
2023-08-07 21:08:24	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: ok, so it is finding the package, I think
2023-08-07 21:08:52	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: right, the error is saying that no metadata was found for mycli, that's different
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2023-08-07 21:08:58	mefistofeles	so I think it's some issue with `mycli` itself
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2023-08-07 21:09:48	SpaghettiCat	mefistofeles:   I saw this same error with a different Python package a few days ago, so I think it's something with my system. This was the package: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/flac2all
2023-08-07 21:09:51	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - flac2all (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-08-07 21:09:54	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: it seems that mycli hasn't been updated for a while according to its github. Maybe it doesn't support the latest versions of python or importlib-metadata 
2023-08-07 21:10:30	SpaghettiCat	OK maybe my system has a screwed up Python installation because I just noticed: `command -v python` outputs `/usr/local/bin/python` which is a file owned by no package. So let me see what the heck I did to my system in the past haha
2023-08-07 21:10:57	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: oh ok, so you installed another python it seems
2023-08-07 21:10:57	SpaghettiCat	Thank you for helping me debug this
2023-08-07 21:11:05	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: maybe through pyenv?
2023-08-07 21:11:19	SpaghettiCat	Yeah probably, something like that...
2023-08-07 21:11:22	mefistofeles	and with sudo :/
2023-08-07 21:11:23	mefistofeles	ew
2023-08-07 21:11:24	mefistofeles	haha
2023-08-07 21:11:35	SpaghettiCat	Let me purge my system of this wicked thing I did
2023-08-07 21:12:38	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: haha ok, feel free to ask for help if needed
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2023-08-07 21:16:31	susi	SpaghettiCat: revisit the link I gave you earlier
2023-08-07 21:16:38	susi	SpaghettiCat: for future reference :)
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2023-08-07 21:18:44	SpaghettiCat	susi:  So I can use pipx to install Python packages? I feel that I should fix my system since all other arch users can install Python packages from AUR but I can't. I'm not sure doing everything via pipx is better than through AUR
2023-08-07 21:19:11	NetSysFire	!sillypip
2023-08-07 21:19:12	phrik	Never sudo pip install things
2023-08-07 21:19:20	NetSysFire	i thought it got expanded, whoops
2023-08-07 21:19:34	NetSysFire	it can cause conflicts with your packages installed by pacman
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2023-08-07 21:19:49	NetSysFire	if you use pip to install stuff globally you need to be very careful
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2023-08-07 21:20:26	SpaghettiCat	mefistofeles:  So I deleted the /usr/local/bin/python wrapper that I created in 2013 (it was a hack for py2 vs. py3 choosing). But it doesn't help. Re-installing mycli results in the same "No package metadata was found for mycli". This AUR package was last updated 3 months ago, so it's unlikely the Python package doesn't work with the latest Python/importlib as others could install this AUR
2023-08-07 21:20:26	SpaghettiCat	package
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2023-08-07 21:21:29	SpaghettiCat	NetSysFire:  I can't pip install stuff anymore, because I get shouted at "This environment is externally managed" . If you're suggesting I have packages globally installed via pip that may be interfering, do you know how I might list these packages so I can remove them?
2023-08-07 21:22:02	SpaghettiCat	I feel like deleting all pip-installed packages, but now it seems `pip list` shows packages that were installed via pacman so I can't just do `pip uninstall` everything..
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2023-08-07 21:22:21	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: ok, so, what do you get when you do `which python` now?
2023-08-07 21:22:28	mefistofeles	or command python or whatever :P
2023-08-07 21:22:30	NetSysFire	i dont know any specific command unfortunately. the issue arises if a path provided by a package gets overwritten, leading to "File exists" errors in pacman
2023-08-07 21:22:32	SpaghettiCat	mefistofeles:  `/usr/bin/python`
2023-08-07 21:22:41	NetSysFire	something with pacman -F and stuff i think
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2023-08-07 21:23:05	SpaghettiCat	NetSysFire:  if I saw such errors I would've fixed the issue, but I saw none of those errors when upgrading my system
2023-08-07 21:23:44	NetSysFire	i'll be quiet for now, lets see if the underlying issue can get resolved first
2023-08-07 21:23:53	NetSysFire	globally installing things via pip is really not ideal
2023-08-07 21:24:11	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: what's the output of /usr/local/lib/python* ?
2023-08-07 21:24:19	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: what's the output of `ls /usr/local/lib/python*` ?
2023-08-07 21:24:31	SpaghettiCat	I have packages in /usr/lib/python3.5  , 3.6 and 3.9 that are not owned by any Arch-package. Shall I delete these directories? I guess that was me using `sudo pip install`
2023-08-07 21:24:39	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: don'
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2023-08-07 21:24:45	mefistofeles	don't just delete the directories
2023-08-07 21:25:04	SpaghettiCat	mefistofeles:  "zsh: no matches found: /usr/local/lib/python*"  so no more wrappers
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2023-08-07 21:25:18	mefistofeles	well, I guess I have to ask first... how did you delete the other local pythons you installed?
2023-08-07 21:25:19	teraflops	SpaghettiCat: isn't pip freeze list only packages installed by pip?
2023-08-07 21:25:37	SpaghettiCat	I did this earlier for those lib/python* directories to rebuild any Python AUR packages for the newest Python: `pacman -Qoq /usr/lib/python3.5/ | paru -S - --rebuild`
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2023-08-07 21:26:04	mefistofeles	teraflops: this has changed in recent python versions :/
2023-08-07 21:26:07	mefistofeles	I think
2023-08-07 21:26:08	teraflops	ah
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2023-08-07 21:26:46	SpaghettiCat	teraflops:  if it is, I wonder why `importlib-metadata==5.0.0` shows up. This is from the official repo arch package "python-importlib-metadata", so `pip freeze list` seems to list pacman-installed Python packages
2023-08-07 21:26:50	susi	https://codingshower.com/python-uninstall-remove-all-packages-installed-by-pip/ -- so this probably won't work anymore?
2023-08-07 21:26:56	phrik	Title: Python Uninstall/Remove All Packages Installed By pip - CodingShower (at codingshower.com)
2023-08-07 21:27:10	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: ok, so, I have the feeling you just need to reinstall that mycli again
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2023-08-07 21:27:28	mefistofeles	but, again, mycli sounds like a somewhat inactive project
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2023-08-07 21:27:48	gromit	mefistofeles: I think by now it should be clear that the project itself is not the problem ^^^
2023-08-07 21:27:49	SpaghettiCat	I did do that a few mins ago. I do it with `yay -S --noconfirm mycli`
2023-08-07 21:27:53	mefistofeles	so it could be that it just doesn't support the latest python versions, SpaghettiCat , you could also try raising the issue in the AUR website for it
2023-08-07 21:28:10	mefistofeles	gromit: well, there's still a possibility :P
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2023-08-07 21:28:22	SpaghettiCat	The `mycli` package was last updated March 30th. That means package maintainer was able to install the package, and presumably he tested it and it worked. No one else complained in the comments, so I'm assuming mycli works for others
2023-08-07 21:28:32	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: fair
2023-08-07 21:28:49	SpaghettiCat	OK I can try to install some active Python package from AUR and see if I get the same error. Let me try to find one
2023-08-07 21:28:57	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: so, when do you get the error? What do you run to get the rror?
2023-08-07 21:28:58	mefistofeles	error*
2023-08-07 21:29:07	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: no no, don't do that
2023-08-07 21:29:07	SpaghettiCat	mefistofeles:  I run `mycli`
2023-08-07 21:29:17	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: ok, `which mycli`? 
2023-08-07 21:29:24	mefistofeles	and check the contents, hopefully it's a .py script
2023-08-07 21:29:52	SpaghettiCat	mefistofeles:  `/home/danb/bin/mycli`  and yes it's a python script
2023-08-07 21:30:13	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: wait, I thought you installed it from the AUR
2023-08-07 21:30:19	SpaghettiCat	Yes
2023-08-07 21:30:25	mefistofeles	why is it in your home?
2023-08-07 21:30:27	SpaghettiCat	Where should that program end up?
2023-08-07 21:30:35	mefistofeles	seems like you have yet another mycli installed
2023-08-07 21:30:36	mefistofeles	xD
2023-08-07 21:30:57	teraflops	eh ~/ xD
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2023-08-07 21:31:56	SpaghettiCat	mefistofeles:  If I do `pacman -Rns mycli` then running `mycli` no longer finds the program. I don't have any other mycli installation.
2023-08-07 21:32:18	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: did you try `pip install --user mycli` ? maybe that's why, if that's the case I guess you could try `pip uninstall mycli` and it should work :/
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2023-08-07 21:33:19	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: well, it shouldn't be copying/installing anything in your home dir
2023-08-07 21:33:19	SpaghettiCat	Doing `pamcan -Ql mycli` outputs the files and they are all in `~/py-lib/` (and of course the `~/bin/mycli` script). Is that normal?
2023-08-07 21:33:23	teraflops	SpaghettiCat: I installed mycli for the sake of it and it does not put anything under my user home
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2023-08-07 21:34:00	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: are you using arch? :/
2023-08-07 21:34:16	SpaghettiCat	mefistofeles:  No I never tried to install mycli with pip. Doing `pip uninstall mycli` results in "This environment is externally managed" error
2023-08-07 21:34:20	⚡ 	mefistofeles drumrolls... 
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2023-08-07 21:35:11	SpaghettiCat	Yes I'm using ArchLinux, but I may have done some hacking because Python packaging has been really really troublesome over the last 13 years and so I might've done a hack to get packages to work
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2023-08-07 21:35:35	SpaghettiCat	Let me grep and search around for this `py-lib`... why are AUR packages being installed in `~/py-lib/` ....
2023-08-07 21:35:43	mefistofeles	SpaghettiCat: oh okay :/ well, sadly I think it's a configuration problem and you seem to have generated a bigger mess
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2023-08-07 21:36:11	SpaghettiCat	Yes, it appears so. Thanks a lot guys for helping me. I will search around my system now for `py-lib` and see how I can clean things up
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2023-08-07 21:36:25	mefistofeles	python packaging indeed gets frustrating because users want to mix system python with their own python tools and that's where things go sideways
2023-08-07 21:36:57	mefistofeles	the best advisory is to avoid mixing that, fortunately with recent versions they have improved that so that it's harder to mess with the system environment
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2023-08-07 21:37:11	mefistofeles	but in this case it's just something you did before that happened, as far as I can tell
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2023-08-07 21:38:57	SpaghettiCat	OK, yeah in my bash shell PYTHONPATH is ":/home/danb/py-lib:/home/danb/lib/pyroscope/bin/:/home/danb/py/:/home/danb/py-lib" . In my zsh it is unset altogether. I think I will remove the config line that sets this env var
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2023-08-07 21:40:44	mefistofeles	ok, that helps figuring how these things happened, but who knows if there are more surprises :P
2023-08-07 21:40:45	susi	though pip freeze uninstalling shouldn't be able to remove files belonging to pacman, expect maybe some configuration?
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2023-08-07 21:42:59	susi	maybe there should be information about externally managing venvs in wiki/Python, seems to be pretty common occurence
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2023-08-07 21:43:38	mefistofeles	susi: not sure what you mean by that exactly
2023-08-07 21:43:57	susi	I meant this https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/python/-/blob/main/EXTERNALLY-MANAGED
2023-08-07 21:43:58	phrik	Title: EXTERNALLY-MANAGED · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / python · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-08-07 21:44:03	mefistofeles	but yeah, maybe we need some better documentation for this
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2023-08-07 21:45:52	mefistofeles	susi: there's some discussion going on https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Talk:Python 
2023-08-07 21:45:54	phrik	Title: Talk:Python - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-07 21:45:55	mefistofeles	but I think it
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2023-08-07 21:46:12	mefistofeles	it's just hard to come up with something short and general enough without being too opinionated
2023-08-07 21:46:39	mefistofeles	sure, pipx works... but also venvs, pyenv, conda, poetry, pipenv, etc... 
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2023-08-07 21:47:13	mefistofeles	I guess at least we could add the note on the externally managed envs and point to python's PEP on them
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2023-08-07 21:47:50	mefistofeles	https://peps.python.org/pep-0668/ 
2023-08-07 21:47:51	phrik	Title: PEP 668 – Marking Python base environments as “externally managed” | peps.python.orgSelected dark colour schemeSelected light colour scheme (at peps.python.org)
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2023-08-08 08:45:42	akrawt1	no yay didnt tell me. I just ran yay install python-jinja2 and it just took it without any messages, so I thought it "worked"
2023-08-08 08:45:47	akrawt1	thats as user
2023-08-08 08:46:07	akrawt1	yeah Ennea I think I installed python-ninja before that
2023-08-08 08:46:11	akrawt1	let me check
2023-08-08 08:46:14	Ennea	might be a good idea not to use yay then
2023-08-08 08:46:30	raster	yay \o/ :)
2023-08-08 08:47:24	akrawt1	hm
2023-08-08 08:48:17	akrawt1	actually no python-jinja when I check with  yay -Q python-jinja
2023-08-08 08:49:37	Ennea	then you don't have it installed i suppose
2023-08-08 08:50:10	akrawt1	and I need to install it with some other way, not yay?
2023-08-08 08:50:16	akrawt1	confused, sry
2023-08-08 08:51:36	Ennea	i'm assuming doing it with yay also works, i'm just not a fan of yay
2023-08-08 08:52:58	Bwanda	why hyprland is crashing?
2023-08-08 08:53:06	Bwanda	hyprland-nvidia
2023-08-08 08:53:19	Bwanda	can anyone help me out?
2023-08-08 08:53:38	raster	yay does work. but in the end realize that it is really an automation on top of git clone XXXX (whatever url of aur pkg) and then makepkg ... (as well as cleanup afterwards)
2023-08-08 08:53:43	jelle	humanlove we can't
2023-08-08 08:54:06	akrawt1	it just returns nothing when I run yay install python-ninja as user
2023-08-08 08:54:06	Bwanda	jelle: no spoon drink.. that what you saying?
2023-08-08 08:54:07	raster	as it automates a lot ... you get fewer chioces along the way and it's harder to fix a broken pkgbuild which does happen
2023-08-08 08:54:25	akrawt1	just goes on to a new empty ssh line
2023-08-08 08:55:01	Bwanda	why jelle 
2023-08-08 08:55:13	raster	so if you have build problems the first thing to do would be to start doing it by hand - ie .. giot clone the appropriate aur pkg and build it by hand and dig into just why it's barfing - fix the PKGBUILD (it may involve adding patches tofix the original src)
2023-08-08 08:55:14	Ennea	akrawt1, then perhaps it's time to drop yay and just use pacman instead ;)
2023-08-08 08:55:25	Ennea	raster, python-jinja isn't even an AUR package, it's in the repos
2023-08-08 08:56:30	akrawt1	yeah I think thats the part that I did wrong. ran pacman -S python-jinja and it installed..
2023-08-08 08:57:15	raster	that'd be a "core" pkg (as opposed to aur - ie part of arch proper)
2023-08-08 08:57:26	raster	there is python2-jinja in aur
2023-08-08 08:57:57	akrawt1	its working now for me, thanks everyone!
2023-08-08 08:58:04	Bwanda	Hello
2023-08-08 08:58:24	raster	tho interesting you used yay install not yay -S
2023-08-08 08:58:55	raster	the nice thing about yay is it also wraps pacman and so you can in some sense use it exactly like pacman just with a wider set of pkgs...
2023-08-08 08:59:23	akrawt1	I think I used 'install' because someone suggested it that way
2023-08-08 08:59:24	raster	but as everyone says - beware of pacman wrappers and aur wrappers. you kind of need to know how things are plumbed underneath.
2023-08-08 08:59:42	akrawt1	yeah I have shallow knowledge on that...
2023-08-08 08:59:47	akrawt1	on *nix overall evcen
2023-08-08 08:59:49	akrawt1	even*
2023-08-08 08:59:59	raster	odd - i never knew install was even an option for yay
2023-08-08 09:00:10	akrawt1	probably not :)
2023-08-08 09:00:34	akrawt1	it was yesterday so I dont 100% remember, but I think it just didnt return anything, so it prolly simply didnt work
2023-08-08 09:00:39	akrawt1	I mean, the yay install command
2023-08-08 09:00:42	Ennea	seeing as it did not install the package, i'm willing to bet it isn't an option :p
2023-08-08 09:00:50	akrawt1	yeah ;p
2023-08-08 09:01:26	raster	:)
2023-08-08 09:18:05	Bwanda	is 3GB gpu is enough for Hyperland?
2023-08-08 09:18:10	Bwanda	sorry  2GB
2023-08-08 09:22:18	jelle	yes
2023-08-08 09:25:00	Bwanda	okm cool then
2023-08-08 09:54:30	alwyn	One year later, what's the state of nvidia-open vs nouveau?
2023-08-08 09:54:41	Bwanda	same
2023-08-08 09:54:53	Bwanda	tried hyprland-nvidia did not worked
2023-08-08 09:55:05	Bwanda	geforce nvidia
2023-08-08 09:56:21	jelle	alwyn: it depends on how modern your GPU is
2023-08-08 09:56:30	alwyn	Pascal
2023-08-08 09:56:41	alwyn	So geforce 10
2023-08-08 09:56:50	alwyn	But I got a discrete mobile GPU, the MX250
2023-08-08 09:57:05	Bwanda	do you have solution?
2023-08-08 09:57:14	jelle	as far as I know, the new stuff only aims more modern cpu's so if it works probably stay with nvidia :)
2023-08-08 09:57:47	raster	or ... stop using nvidia gpu's :) problem solved. :) 
2023-08-08 09:57:57	alwyn	I wish, this is the laptop work gave me
2023-08-08 09:58:08	jelle	raster: I'll switch to powervr, thank you
2023-08-08 09:58:43	Bwanda	i got integrated GPU amd works well with wayland. 
2023-08-08 09:58:50	Bwanda	but nvidia giving me issue
2023-08-08 09:58:55	jelle	alwyn: https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/nvk-has-landed.html this is highly alpha ofcourse
2023-08-08 09:58:57	phrik	Title: NVK Has landed! (at www.collabora.com)
2023-08-08 09:59:04	jelle	> We currently support Turing (RTX 20XX and GTX 16XX) and later GPUs
2023-08-08 09:59:37	raster	jelle: if someone ever makes anything with an img gpu in it ... :) kind of has become a bit rare...
2023-08-08 09:59:39	Ennea	there's also a feature matrix for nouveau you can check out, alwyn: https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html
2023-08-08 09:59:40	phrik	Title: FeatureMatrix (at nouveau.freedesktop.org)
2023-08-08 09:59:56	Ennea	pascal (nv130) does not even have power management support. i'd not even consider it based on just that, but that's just me
2023-08-08 09:59:59	jelle	raster: it actually exists
2023-08-08 10:00:04	alwyn	jelle: oh neat
2023-08-08 10:00:11	jelle	Bwanda: for the love of $deity, just use your NVIDIA gpu for GAMES
2023-08-08 10:00:29	alwyn	Ennea: yeah I saw :)
2023-08-08 10:02:07	Bwanda	jelle: you want me to install windows?
2023-08-08 10:02:35	jelle	Bwanda: no, you have an optimus laptop right
2023-08-08 10:02:45	Bwanda	yes
2023-08-08 10:02:50	Bwanda	i think
2023-08-08 10:05:08	Bwanda	okay
2023-08-08 10:05:16	jelle	Bwanda: so use your amd gpu for hyperland
2023-08-08 10:05:27	Bwanda	yes right now im on it
2023-08-08 10:05:59	jelle	Bwanda: you should only use your nvidia gpu for games / blender or whatever anyway
2023-08-08 10:07:42	Bwanda	okay, i have problem.. can you help nvidia gpu is not showing up after getting back to apu gpu?
2023-08-08 10:07:54	Bwanda	lspci -k not showinng nvidia
2023-08-08 10:19:16	Bwanda	ah its working something messsed with envycontrol
2023-08-08 10:19:34	Bwanda	jelle: can i play gta5 ?
2023-08-08 10:19:53	Bwanda	01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation TU117M [GeForce GTX 1650 Mobile / Max-Q] (rev a1)
2023-08-08 10:35:43	jelle	Bwanda: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PRIME#PRIME_render_offload ?
2023-08-08 10:35:44	phrik	Title: PRIME - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-08 10:51:33	Bwanda	jelle: https://termbin.com/6mb9
2023-08-08 10:52:02	Bwanda	https://termbin.com/3wn6s
2023-08-08 11:03:25	Tazy	Hi all, is arch going to patch out WEI in chromium now, or just leaving it for now? 
2023-08-08 11:03:36	jelle	Tazy: wdyt
2023-08-08 11:04:31	qp	burn it with fire
2023-08-08 11:04:57	Tazy	jelle, not sure, I would guess patch it out, but curious what the stance is 
2023-08-08 11:05:14	jelle	Tazy: no patching and so far it does not even apply to Linux it seems
2023-08-08 11:05:29	Tazy	A windows only feature?
2023-08-08 11:05:31	jelle	note that this is all a proposal
2023-08-08 11:05:40	jelle	> As of August 2023, Web Environment Integrity is currently supported in Chrome on Android
2023-08-08 11:06:28	Tazy	oh I see now 
2023-08-08 12:04:42	madprops	I have multiple efi partitons and I'm not sure which one I mounted at install. Is there a way I can recognize it? I tried mounting one but it has some "redhat", I had red hat before but not sure if I reused that partition. Is there a way to inspect the contents or mount history to check?
2023-08-08 12:06:27	grawity	if it's currently working, note the GUID from `efibootmgr` and look for it in /dev/disk/by-partuuid
2023-08-08 12:07:00	grawity	or find it in /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/LoaderDevicePartUUID-4a67b082-0a4c-41cf-b6c7-440b29bb8c4f
2023-08-08 12:10:48	madprops	I'm currently on ubuntu, I arch-chrooted to my arch root partition
2023-08-08 12:11:54	madprops	running efibootmgr lists some entries that are not present in the grub I used for arch boot
2023-08-08 12:12:12	Gagis	you can mount and inspect the contents of any efi partition
2023-08-08 12:12:48	Gagis	efibootmgr manages the boot order of your uefi bios, not grub
2023-08-08 12:14:06	madprops	think I know which uuid it might be
2023-08-08 12:14:19	madprops	based on the order
2023-08-08 12:19:03	madprops	seems to be the one that is currently mounted
2023-08-08 12:20:04	madprops	aren't efi files binary?
2023-08-08 12:21:03	grawity	.efi files are binary, yes, they're literally .exe for EFI
2023-08-08 12:21:05	grawity	why do you ask
2023-08-08 12:22:58	madprops	Wondering if I could inspect them to know for sure if they are used by arch. Also, do I need the efi partition to install/fix grub?
2023-08-08 12:23:24	grawity	the grub 'core' (grubx64.efi) lives in the efi partition, yes
2023-08-08 12:23:52	grawity	and is installed together with grub modules (which may or may not live in the efi partition)
2023-08-08 12:23:59	grawity	that is, they need to match
2023-08-08 12:24:10	Gagis	you can also have linux as directly bootable instead of grub, but that has its downsides. in hindsight, I'd use grub for my next install
2023-08-08 12:24:29	grawity	as far as arch goes, I was going to say AFAIK grub-install always puts it in \EFI\arch, but now I'm not entirely sure if that's true
2023-08-08 12:29:22	susi	you can give it a --bootloader-id
2023-08-08 12:29:33	susi	and then it will put it \EFI\$id
2023-08-08 12:32:17	madprops	there's a /efi/EFI/GRUB/grubx64.efi
2023-08-08 12:32:31	madprops	i can mount this partition inside the chroot
2023-08-08 12:32:45	madprops	but I'm not sure if it would render Ubuntu unsuble, since there's also an ubuntu dir
2023-08-08 12:32:53	madprops	I don't remember which efi I used, might have been a new one
2023-08-08 12:33:31	Gagis	you can try to mount them all and inspect the contents, maybe one of them has efi/arch instead of efi/grub
2023-08-08 12:34:01	madprops	this is in the history: grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory /efi --bootloader-id=GRUB
2023-08-08 12:34:54	madprops	so I'm thinking it might be it
2023-08-08 12:36:07	Gagis	I'm currently on my ubuntu work laptop. the ubuntu install has created an efi folder structure that contains /BOOT/ and /ubuntu/ under the EFI partition. the ubuntu directory has grub in it.
2023-08-08 12:36:12	susi	--efi-directory probably needs '=', as in --efi-directory=/efi
2023-08-08 12:36:39	Gagis	judging from that and your command having --booltloader-id=GRUB, I'd guess what you have mounted is created by arch and not ubuntu install
2023-08-08 12:36:40	mingdao	I'm having a senior moment.  Doing a fresh install of Arch via ssh into the computer in tmux.  I can't copy from another tmux window and paste into the one with the Arch chroot.  What do I need to change for that to happen?
2023-08-08 12:36:50	grawity	gnu getopt accepts it either way, unless it's one of those annoying "optional value" args
2023-08-08 12:37:23	grawity	mingdao: are you trying to use tmux's internal copy mode or something else
2023-08-08 12:38:29	mingdao	grawity: I have these windows in tmux:  1:router* 2:mutt  3:workstation  4:workstation  5:MacBook#- 6:fileserver# 7:server# 8:headache  9:testicle# 10:workstation
2023-08-08 12:39:39	astralc	what is repo-elephant? and why?
2023-08-08 12:39:52	grawity	it's an elephant
2023-08-08 12:40:03	mingdao	The Arch chroot is in 5:MacBook#.  I am just going to 3:workstation then `cat /proc/cmdline` and copying   net.ifnames=0 modprobe.blacklist=pcspkr ipv6.disable=1 panic=10 loglevel=3   and going to window 5 where I have `vim /etc/default/grub` and insert mode and pasting, but I only get # pasted into the file.
2023-08-08 12:40:15	astralc	just elephant?
2023-08-08 12:40:21	grawity	it's really just an elephant
2023-08-08 12:40:21	mingdao	So I think something in a ~/.vmirc maybe?
2023-08-08 12:40:29	astralc	cool
2023-08-08 12:40:41	grawity	mingdao: no, that sounds like it should work by default
2023-08-08 12:44:45	mingdao	It doesn't.  I also didn't expect it to work, but tried visual mode with `vim /etc/default/grub` in window 3 then p in window 5; still get #
2023-08-08 12:45:14	grawity	vim 'p'? vim 'p' doesn't paste from tmux, it pastes from vim registers
2023-08-08 12:46:17	Gagis	isn't it something like :set paste to get vim into paste mode? been ages since I used it
2023-08-08 12:47:14	grawity	the "i'm pasting, please don't auto-indent" mode, yes, but if you're pasting e.g. from tmux C-a ], it'd still paste *something* in regular insert mode
2023-08-08 12:47:31	grawity	(though I think tmux supports bracketed paste these days, so that :set paste is no longer needed)
2023-08-08 12:49:24	Gagis	oh yeah, that was the auto-indent distinction. yeah, not necessary then
2023-08-08 12:49:37	mingdao	grawity: I fixed it, and was correct.   `0x0.sh /root/.vimrc` from host workstation ; `curl https://0x0.st/oRii.txt > /root/.vimrc` in the Arch chroot.
2023-08-08 12:50:13	mingdao	Gagis: That is what I thought, also; but:  
2023-08-08 12:50:13	mingdao	archiso / # grep paste /root/.vimrc
2023-08-08 12:50:13	mingdao	archiso / #
2023-08-08 12:50:28	grawity	...what's that supposed to show
2023-08-08 12:50:43	grawity	# grep paste /root/.vimrc
2023-08-08 12:50:44	grawity	grep: /root/.vimrc: No such file or directory
2023-08-08 12:50:49	grawity	and I can still paste lol
2023-08-08 12:50:50	mingdao	That :set paste is not in /root/.vimrc and pasting now works.
2023-08-08 12:51:16	grawity	vim doesn't need :set paste to *allow* you to paste
2023-08-08 12:51:22	mingdao	That was addressed to Gagis, based on their commment.
2023-08-08 12:51:33	mingdao	grawity: Yes, we have established that.
2023-08-08 12:51:51	mingdao	grawity: It's solved, thanks.  
2023-08-08 12:52:33	mkoskar	pebkac++
2023-08-08 12:54:35	mingdao	oh, you're so sweet mkoskar :^)
2023-08-08 12:55:19	astralc	!karma pebkac
2023-08-08 12:55:20	phrik	astralc: pebkac has neutral karma.
2023-08-08 12:56:16	mingdao	s/pebkac/picnic :^)
2023-08-08 12:59:06	mkoskar	;) it's ok, happens to everybody
2023-08-08 13:01:32	mkoskar	the other day I was so convinced nginx behaves stupid that I went to #nginx to tell ppl, hours later I've noticed I was editing wrong file >_>
2023-08-08 13:20:31	mingdao	it's good when the one with the problem solves it, also 
2023-08-08 13:21:11	mingdao	the Gentoo install-amd64-minimal-20230611T170207Z.iso I used on a server last week doesn't have this issue
2023-08-08 13:22:33	susi	why repo-elephant no more has this: https://0x0.st/H_SL.txt
2023-08-08 13:23:33	grawity	it does
2023-08-08 13:23:37	grawity	keep running it
2023-08-08 13:23:46	jelle	!repo-elephant
2023-08-08 13:23:47	phrik	Behold the pacman mascot: https://paste.xinu.at/vti82Kwpo
2023-08-08 13:23:47	susi	lul, you're rite
2023-08-08 13:23:59	susi	I kept getting 0s so many times sequentially I thought it didn't have it
2023-08-08 13:40:29	mingdao	Okay, that passes the ultimate test https://imgur.com/HHpzly0.png
2023-08-08 13:41:49	NetSysFire	/usr/bin/repo-elephant
2023-08-08 14:43:24	phonemic	Is there a reason autofs isn't in extra? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Autofs
2023-08-08 14:43:25	phrik	Title: Autofs - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-08 14:43:55	Khorne	phonemic, same reason as every other package
2023-08-08 14:44:02	Khorne	Nobody cares enough
2023-08-08 14:45:37	phonemic	i get that for most of the AUR packages, but autofs is pretty well known and used in the enterprise
2023-08-08 14:46:15	Namarrgon	that doesn't matter as long as no package maintainer wants to maintain it
2023-08-08 14:46:54	Khorne	The same could be said for python2 and yet that also finds itself in the AUR :>
2023-08-08 14:47:07	Namarrgon	popularity is not a strong argument in this case
2023-08-08 14:47:25	Namarrgon	or not strong enough on its own
2023-08-08 14:57:51	alad	it was dropped to AUR long ago
2023-08-08 15:06:33	jelle	carfs
2023-08-08 15:50:44	rainbowtux	Hi all, I have a SD card with broken images, what is the best tool to recover JPEG files? The filesystem seems to be ok, but the files themselves not so much... I know it is probably hard/impossible, but would like to give it a try
2023-08-08 15:51:18	grawity	if the image data is gone, then the data is gone
2023-08-08 15:51:53	mpan	rainbowtux: how are they broken, tho? Perhaps these are not actually JPEG images or something like this. In which case there may exist a solution.
2023-08-08 15:52:22	mpan	Otherwise as grawity said: if it’s storage that is broken, there is nothing that could be done (at least no feasible solutions).
2023-08-08 15:52:58	rainbowtux	mpan: the card comes from a camera, so they are certainly images :-)
2023-08-08 15:53:35	Ennea	so how exactly are they broken?
2023-08-08 15:53:39	rainbowtux	the storage seems to be ok, the filesystem seems intact but the files seem to have been corrupted, not sure how badly...
2023-08-08 15:53:39	wunit	are you sure they are jpeg and not tiff/raw/… image files?
2023-08-08 15:54:02	Ennea	wunit, i've considered asking the same, but that seems highly unlikely that any camera would save raws as jpeg
2023-08-08 15:54:10	rainbowtux	since filesystem is intact: filenames and in .jpeg and other still ok files are jpeg indeed
2023-08-08 15:54:12	Ennea	well, with a jpeg extension in the filename, anyway..
2023-08-08 15:54:42	wunit	ah well, if they are stored as .jpeg files, they're probably supposed to be jpeg
2023-08-08 15:54:44	Namarrgon	pull and image with e.g. ddrescue and then give photorec a chance
2023-08-08 15:54:46	Ennea	rainbowtux, you still haven't told us how the files are broken. did you open them and you only see half or something?
2023-08-08 15:54:47	Namarrgon	*an image
2023-08-08 15:55:28	rainbowtux	could be just corrupted header/meta... e.g. gwenview tells me it cannot open the file... also the camera says it cannot read them anymore
2023-08-08 15:55:45	rainbowtux	that is why i started with a full scan of the filesystem first, but that seems to be intact, strangely enough
2023-08-08 15:55:57	Ennea	oh, not even the camera can read them...
2023-08-08 15:56:24	Ennea	have you taken a look at the header in a hex editor of your choice?
2023-08-08 15:56:32	Ennea	of any of the images, i mean
2023-08-08 15:57:00	rainbowtux	not yet because i am not too familiar with jpeg headers... could compare them if i have an idea what to look for
2023-08-08 15:59:23	rainbowtux	file size is still ok though..
2023-08-08 16:01:31	mpan	rainbowtux: I did not question them being images. I questioned them being JPEGs.
2023-08-08 16:01:47	mpan	rainbowtux: can you answer the question I asked?
2023-08-08 16:05:02	rainbowtux	mpan: they are absolutely certain jpeg, or should be
2023-08-08 16:05:45	rainbowtux	on the how question... photos were taken with the camera but are not readable now, what exactly went wrong is still a mystery
2023-08-08 16:06:00	mpan	!bail
2023-08-08 16:06:01	phrik	Looks like mpan is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2023-08-08 16:06:02	rainbowtux	but now i found this in dmesg: [218588.690837] FAT-fs (loop0p1): error, fat_bmap_cluster: request beyond EOF (i_pos 11459356)
2023-08-08 16:07:05	rainbowtux	Namarrgon: tried with photorec and ddrescue (as you can see in previous message, working with loop device on a disk image)
2023-08-08 16:27:18	Oddmonger	since my last -Syu, i have strange formatting of man pages: i get the ansi escape codes printed in the terminal
2023-08-08 16:28:21	Oddmonger	for example, first line of `man ls` : mLS24m(1)
2023-08-08 16:31:53	Scimmia	Oddmonger: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=287185 maybe
2023-08-08 16:31:53	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Groff + most change in behaviour / Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-08-08 16:32:41	Oddmonger	interesting,thanks
2023-08-08 16:38:27	susi	here's a mailing list discussion about this change: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/groff/2023-07/msg00058.html
2023-08-08 16:38:28	phrik	Title: Man page customization after 1.23? (at lists.gnu.org)
2023-08-08 16:40:14	Oddmonger	i've been told to use MANPAGER='nvim +Man!' and that solves the problem (and even improves my experience \o/ )
2023-08-08 16:57:10	susi	https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/issues/12076 # glibc 2.38-2
2023-08-08 17:00:07	susi	https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/2023-August/150653.html ^
2023-08-08 17:00:08	phrik	Title: posix_memalign performance regression in 2.38? (at sourceware.org)
2023-08-08 17:03:53	dirac	hello its me
2023-08-08 17:04:20	susi	paul?
2023-08-08 17:04:36	dirac	Yes
2023-08-08 17:04:49	dirac	Not Atreides. 
2023-08-08 17:29:31	susi	is KillUserProcesses=no systemd logind default nowadays or just Arch default?
2023-08-08 17:30:36	astralc	it is not default in arch
2023-08-08 17:30:44	chiselfuse	if i want to apply my own patches to packages? what's the way to do it? pacman will override my locally created and installed PKGBUILD
2023-08-08 17:31:08	susi	astralc: in my logind.conf, "#KillUserProcesses=no" (commented-out, so I'd assume it's a default = no)
2023-08-08 17:31:20	susi	or is it the other way around...
2023-08-08 17:32:21	astralc	according to man page... defaults to "no"
2023-08-08 17:32:34	gromit	chiselfuse: are you asking generally or for a specific package? 
2023-08-08 17:33:23	susi	astralc: yeah, so maybe I misunderstood your previous reply 
2023-08-08 17:34:02	chiselfuse	gromit: in general
2023-08-08 17:34:27	astralc	I meant arch doesn't ship special option for it (use whatever systemd set for it)
2023-08-08 17:35:08	gromit	chiselfuse: you could just create a custom repo and put your patched packages there ... If you put it above the archlinux repos pacman will just ignore the other packages 
2023-08-08 17:35:37	gromit	if you just want to patch a few packages I would just have the sources locally and update the patches when there are package updates
2023-08-08 17:39:12	chiselfuse	gromit: can you detail me how i do this custom repo? do i clone the official pacman repo and fork it with my own patches? how do i tell pacman to use that instead of remoting into the official one?
2023-08-08 17:42:34	astralc	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Custom_local_repository
2023-08-08 17:42:35	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-08 17:48:18	gromit	chiselfuse: Additionally also the info from aurutils are useful on how to setup a local repository (Section 'CREATING A LOCALREPOSITORY'): curl https://raw.githubusercontent.com/AladW/aurutils/master/man1/aur.1 | man -l -
2023-08-08 17:49:56	gromit	chiselfuse: but before you get fancy you should probably start simple by getting the sources used to build the packages and modify them: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_build_system#Retrieve_PKGBUILD_source https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Patching_packages
2023-08-08 17:49:57	phrik	Title: Arch build system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-08 17:51:55	Scimmia	a separate repo is overkill in most cases
2023-08-08 17:52:48	Scimmia	just add the package to IgnorePkg, install your custom version, and pacman will warn you when there's a new one
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2023-08-08 17:54:51	Scimmia	of don't even bother with IgnorePkg if it's adding something that's already upstream
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2023-08-08 18:00:02	susi	oh, grub's got a module for this now, hadn't noticed: https://systemd.io/BOOT_LOADER_INTERFACE/
2023-08-08 18:00:04	phrik	Title: Boot Loader Interface (at systemd.io)
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2023-08-08 18:05:25	davegarath	Hi all, someone use stem with proton to run games on linux ? I'm trying to run a game without success :(
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2023-08-08 18:12:49	killown	davegarath, or you could try chaotic-aur/wine-ge-custom
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2023-08-08 18:14:46	killown	oh, you are  trying steam
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2023-08-08 18:15:47	davegarath	killown, I already bought a game on steam and I want to run it also on linux to not reboot in windows to play. I read on proton db that some people run it so I'm missing something 
2023-08-08 18:15:48	astralc	check proton db
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2023-08-08 18:16:11	jelle	davegarath: what game
2023-08-08 18:16:21	davegarath	elite dangerous
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2023-08-08 18:16:32	davegarath	https://www.protondb.com/app/359320
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2023-08-08 18:17:08	davegarath	I tried with all launcher option but without success
2023-08-08 18:17:25	jelle	so what is the error?
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2023-08-08 18:18:00	davegarath	jelle, the problem is that I haven't any error, I click on Play e no game window appear
2023-08-08 18:18:18	jelle	davegarath: is this the first game you are trying?
2023-08-08 18:18:21	davegarath	so I don't know what I can search on google
2023-08-08 18:18:28	davegarath	jelle, yes
2023-08-08 18:18:47	jelle	ok...
2023-08-08 18:19:09	jelle	davegarath: and you installed a lib32 driver for your gpu?
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2023-08-08 18:19:26	davegarath	I've installed proton by github on version 8.0 I don't kwon if I have to compile an other version
2023-08-08 18:19:32	jelle	davegarath: huh?
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2023-08-08 18:19:57	davegarath	jelle, I followed this https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/
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2023-08-08 18:20:01	jelle	davegarath: why
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2023-08-08 18:20:39	davegarath	jelle, I don't know I'm tring anything I found on google to try start the game :D
2023-08-08 18:20:51	jelle	davegarath: so how did you install steam?
2023-08-08 18:20:54	jelle	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Steam#Installation
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2023-08-08 18:20:55	phrik	Title: Steam - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-08-08 18:21:37	davegarath	jelle, onestly I'm using ubuntu so with apt-get install steam. but I'm here because on #ubuntu nobody can help me
2023-08-08 18:21:54	astralc	.... so try on arch
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2023-08-08 18:22:49	davegarath	astralc, :D one day I'll do that
2023-08-08 18:23:14	dviola	one day we'll be able to help you then
2023-08-08 18:23:16	◣	cdown (~cdown@user/cdown) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2023-08-08 18:23:23	davegarath	but not on this pc, because I'm using it for work every day
2023-08-08 18:23:41	jelle	davegarath: I hope you enabled steam play....
2023-08-08 18:24:30	davegarath	jelle, I think so, how can I check it ?
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2023-08-08 18:25:42	jelle	davegarath: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Steam#Proton_Steam-Play
2023-08-08 18:25:43	phrik	Title: Steam - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-08-08 18:26:10	davegarath	ty I'm reading
2023-08-08 18:26:36	jelle	anyway this is all offtopic here
2023-08-08 18:44:50	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2023-08-08 19:16:36	killown	gamescope: invalid option -- 'U' :/
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2023-08-08 19:22:57	DeepDayze	killown, check the changelog for gamescope as options may have changed for it
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2023-08-08 19:25:42	ℹ 	mven3 es conocido ahora como mven
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2023-08-08 19:39:23	concrete_houses	if freebsd better than archlinux?
2023-08-08 19:39:28	concrete_houses	is
2023-08-08 19:39:46	teraflops	…
2023-08-08 19:40:03	concrete_houses	icewm and freebsd 13.2 on z240 hp desktop
2023-08-08 19:40:18	Scimmia	sure
2023-08-08 19:40:29	concrete_houses	ufs with journal soft pdates
2023-08-08 19:40:34	concrete_houses	no zfs
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2023-08-08 19:42:24	gehidore	freebsd > *
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2023-08-08 19:42:54	jelle	openbsd > freebsd
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2023-08-08 19:43:32	gehidore	darwinbsd > openbsd fite me
2023-08-08 19:43:51	jelle	gehidore: too tired to fight, I bow for thy
2023-08-08 19:44:00	gehidore	took all the fun out of that
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2023-08-08 19:46:03	jelle	gehidore: that is my party line
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2023-08-08 20:10:57	Gagis	is it always the same user who comes to ask a question like that and then leaves like, monthly? does it go around on onther foss channels too?
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2023-08-08 20:30:18	jelle	!whyswap
2023-08-08 20:30:19	phrik	https://chrisdown.name/2018/01/02/in-defence-of-swap.html
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2023-08-08 20:35:54	meatswets	do you prefer a swap file or a swap partition?
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2023-08-08 20:49:43	susi	I prefer 1376Mi zram with this 8G RAM
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2023-08-08 20:55:13	rcf	meatswets: it depends on the filesystem. If btrfs... partition, definitely. 
2023-08-08 20:55:17	rcf	Otherwise file. 
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2023-08-08 21:01:06	za3k	I'm on a GPT Pocket 1. After suspend, my screen's backlight won't turn back on. 'xset dpms force on' fixes it. What's the right fix here? I can definitely add a hook after suspend, is that the ideal thing to do?
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2023-08-08 21:03:48	susi	why would a swap file on ext4 be better than a swap partition? :o
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2023-08-08 21:04:52	za3k	One benefit is that you can easily resize a swap file
2023-08-08 21:05:18	rcf	susi: it's not that it's better, it's just that btrfs makes it much worse. 
2023-08-08 21:05:33	rcf	(or anything else CoW) 
2023-08-08 21:05:51	rcf	The file is preferable where simple because it's more flexible. 
2023-08-08 21:05:57	rcf	You don't have to guess how much swap you'll use. 
2023-08-08 21:06:28	susi	luckily there's lvm
2023-08-08 21:06:49	susi	or even more lucky, I don't seem to need anything but zram :)
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2023-08-08 21:31:36	za3k	ok wait no, 'xset dpms force on' does not work. i'm still left with a black screen after s2idle resume
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2023-08-08 22:47:55	jdemille	Disguised: it depends what sorts of DPI they use as well as what they use to block connections -- looking at that link, depending on the reason your ISP blocks websites you could get yourself into some major trouble pulling that
2023-08-08 22:48:19	mpan	Disguised: “If the passive DPI sends an RST packet also to the server, there is nothing you can do about it.”
2023-08-08 22:48:45	jdemille	since it doesn't seem to prevent them from seeing what you're up to, rather trying to circumvent their interference
2023-08-08 22:48:47	Disguised	jdemille: On a third world country like India? No ig ?
2023-08-08 22:49:46	jdemille	Disguised: it once again depends on their reason for blocking the website -- for some things, they may be much more angry with you for cirucmvention. a VPN has legitimate uses and can be more easily hidden, so i would very much recommend that route
2023-08-08 22:49:53	jdemille	circumvention*
2023-08-08 22:50:52	mpan	Disguised: the software, where it claims to work, seems to interfere with operation with the ISP’s systems. Which may or may not work and nobody will tell you, if it does. You must try.
2023-08-08 22:51:07	mpan	Dunno about your local law, but be aware that its use may be considered a serious crime in many jurisdictions.
2023-08-08 22:51:16	mpan	(unlike plain circumvention)
2023-08-08 22:51:53	jdemille	it's also a highly convoluted solution prone to frequent breakage
2023-08-08 22:52:06	Disguised	mpan: so it is a https://tryitands.ee moment 
2023-08-08 22:52:07	phrik	Title: try it and see! (at tryitands.ee)
2023-08-08 22:52:16	mpan	Yes
2023-08-08 22:52:33	mpan	But I still suggest Tor or a VPN (even your own VPN set on your VPS).
2023-08-08 22:52:53	jdemille	i concur
2023-08-08 22:53:57	mpan	In particular an ISP blocking outgoing VPN connections would be a case of absolute idiocy: nowadays many companies require workers to use VPN.
2023-08-08 22:54:09	Disguised	Yes I was a regular of mullvad vpn. I was really happy with their service but I thought that why do I have to pay for my vpn if I can bypass passive dpi for free.
2023-08-08 22:54:26	Disguised	Regular customer *
2023-08-08 23:12:12	BrainDamage	that's the thing, you can't, you can only circumvent some packet disruption tecniques, the inspection will still happen
2023-08-08 23:12:15	af	Hi, there was a package posted here a while ago which made it easy to quickly skim changelogs of packages being upgraded. Could someone please share it again?
2023-08-08 23:12:17	af	It was essentially a script or a collection of scripts that aggregated changelogs from upstream sources AFAIK.
2023-08-08 23:12:35	af	(reposted from a few days ago, hoping to get an answer this time)
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2023-08-09 01:22:19	Murray7501	I'd love to know when modprobe vfio-pci ids=10de:2488,10de:228b on a secondary 3070 NVIDIA RTX is going to stop killing the framebuffer on my primary 1080 GTX card
2023-08-09 01:25:58	rcf	It depends on why it's killing it 
2023-08-09 01:26:19	rcf	If it's nvidia that doesn't like it, you'd have to complain to them. 
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2023-08-09 01:44:00	brocellous	tbh you can prolly just mount -o remount /dev && udevadm trigger
2023-08-09 01:44:25	stef204	brocellous:OK, so I can reboot and the crap I did with the autotype changing the ownership will be reset properly, then?
2023-08-09 01:45:44	stef204	I'll reboot
2023-08-09 01:45:51	brocellous	nothing you changed in /dev will persist, but it's possible you might have spurious errors shutting down if something has been accidentally denied permission to access /dev/blah
2023-08-09 01:45:55	ariadnavigo	yes, it's regenerated
2023-08-09 01:46:09	stef204	OK, thanks.
2023-08-09 01:46:16	ariadnavigo	devtmpfs is stored in RAM
2023-08-09 01:50:16	Murray7501	rcf: mind I'm not the only one with the issue either, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=283423 <- just one example
2023-08-09 01:50:16	phrik	Title: SOLVED kernel 6.x not booting due to vfio-pci kernel modules / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-08-09 01:50:30	rcf	hmm
2023-08-09 01:50:37	⚡ 	rcf defers to someone with the actual hardware here
2023-08-09 01:56:45	Murray7501	oh well... I've been dealing with this for about 6+ months by just using nvidia driver with xorg to get a host display working.. I just feel like someone should be looking to fix it :)
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2023-08-09 04:51:57	greentail	sheep, thanks. Am reading the archwiki of Microcode. Do I need to change some settings after install the intel-ucode package? The wiki talks about "early loading", do I need to write some settings config for that?  
2023-08-09 04:52:36	Scimmia	the article should tell you to set up your bootloader
2023-08-09 04:53:41	sheep	you can skip section 1.2.1 unless you use a unified kernel image (unless you know you use one, you don't). You can skip 1.2.2.1 if you didn't build your own kernel from source
2023-08-09 04:55:59	greentail	sheep, section 1.2 says "If not compiled into the kernel" ; how can I tell whether intel-ucode is compiled into my kernel or not? 
2023-08-09 04:56:08	sheep	it is not
2023-08-09 04:56:31	greentail	sheep, ok, but how can I tell though. Like, how do you know?  
2023-08-09 04:56:33	sheep	you can do that with a custom kernel, but the kernels in the official repos don't.
2023-08-09 04:56:51	sheep	you can check the config file provided with the kernel
2023-08-09 04:58:22	greentail	sheep, the fact that kernels from the official repos do not have intel-ucode compiled into the kernel is pretty important information. Why isn't it in the wiki?  
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2023-08-09 06:34:54	tb0n3	Anybody know if theres a multistream sftp/rsync method for transferring over ssh? turns out my slow downloads to my phone are thanks to slow singlestream speeds
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2023-08-09 07:00:50	chiselfuse	==> WARNING: No packages remain, creating empty database.
2023-08-09 07:01:50	Scimmia	right...
2023-08-09 07:02:13	grawity	repo-add <db> <pkg>
2023-08-09 07:04:40	chiselfuse	ERROR: File 'rxvt-unicode' not found.
2023-08-09 07:04:50	Scimmia	that's not a package, that's a package name
2023-08-09 07:05:04	chiselfuse	where is the corresponding package for that name?
2023-08-09 07:05:07	Scimmia	like it says *file* not found
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2023-08-09 07:05:27	grawity	chiselfuse: you were talking about manual PKGBUILD patches
2023-08-09 07:05:28	Scimmia	you built it, you tell us
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2023-08-09 07:23:47	chiselfuse	maybe i'll try nixos
2023-08-09 07:36:05	Bwanda	https://i.imgur.com/Wf0RVe2.png
2023-08-09 07:36:13	Bwanda	jelle: ^
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2023-08-09 09:01:52	⚡ 	qp sighs
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2023-08-09 09:32:22	susi	grep, grep -F, grep -E
2023-08-09 09:32:57	wunit	floyd: fgrep is the deprecated notation for `grep -F` - OPTIONS section in grep(1p) has you covered :-)
2023-08-09 09:33:31	cloudowind	sorry for repeat didn't know i had +r thank you 
2023-08-09 09:34:21	cloudowind	bash is not happy anyway 
2023-08-09 09:34:24	cloudowind	fgrep: warning: fgrep is obsolescent; using grep -F
2023-08-09 09:42:13	jelle	cloudowind: its not bash, it's fgrep the binary is deprecated
2023-08-09 09:46:01	cloudowind	oh yea
2023-08-09 09:46:09	cloudowind	bash is innocent
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2023-08-09 10:07:47	luigibu	great.. let see
2023-08-09 10:07:49	wunit	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Querying_package_databases ‹ for more helpful pacman examples
2023-08-09 10:07:51	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-09 10:08:36	luigibu	no pakcage owns it
2023-08-09 10:11:05	wunit	luigibu: then it's probably a left-over of something else
2023-08-09 10:12:03	wunit	if you don't need it, it's probably safe to remove it - but without knowing the system (it's yours), can't tell where that came from
2023-08-09 10:15:42	tonitch	Hello, I just did an upgrade of my system and now thunderbird is bright and firefox is dark. but both are set to follow the system theme. I think that they follow gtk's theme so I checked my GTK_THEME which is "Adwaita:dark" I want them both to be dark but I don't want to enfore the dark theme in case of sunny day I like to switch to bright mode. do you know what could be the solution here ?
2023-08-09 10:18:49	mkoskar	tonitch: from your description it would seem thunderbird is broken not respecting it?
2023-08-09 10:20:57	bionade24	Is it possible that AMD ucode never gets loaded on their consumer CPUs? My Ryzen5900x (family: 0x19, model: 0x21) is not listed https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/amd-ucode/README
2023-08-09 10:20:57	phrik	Title: README « amd-ucode - kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git - Repository of firmware blobs for use with the Linux kernel (at git.kernel.org)
2023-08-09 10:21:29	bionade24	And the patch_level is different from the one on the kernel page for the family, too.
2023-08-09 10:21:48	luigibu	thanks wunit fixed.. i just deleted the config for the proxy thing
2023-08-09 10:24:20	DodoGTA	Can I put code at the top-level of the PKGBUILD (the same level as the variable definitions)?
2023-08-09 10:24:41	jelle	you can, might be frowned upon, it's bash after all
2023-08-09 10:25:00	bionade24	DodoGTA: Custom vars: Commonly done. Functions: not so much done?
2023-08-09 10:26:39	DodoGTA	bionade24: I just tried putting an if statement before the variable definitions and namcap exploded
2023-08-09 10:27:33	bionade24	DodoGTA: I'm not sure if makepkg --printsrcinfo can handle that, that's the thing you must trick.
2023-08-09 10:27:40	DodoGTA	What if I want to run some check before cloning the sources?
2023-08-09 10:28:29	bionade24	DodoGTA: Try to put them in a function, and assign the function val to the var?
2023-08-09 10:29:08	bionade24	DodoGTA: But maybe you should better describe the actual problem why you want to do that in the 1st place. People here might have better ideas.
2023-08-09 10:31:36	DodoGTA	A package I want to publish requires a kernel with some patches to work (right now I'm checking for a specific function in /proc/kallsyms in prepare() function to see if those patches exist)
2023-08-09 10:34:16	bionade24	DodoGTA: Might be better to put this in pre_install() ? I guess you could build that package just fine on a machine with a different kernel ? And what if the already built pkg gets deployed to a machine with a different kernel?
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2023-08-09 11:12:23	aminvakil	i'm using systemd-boot and have this line on my entries/linux.conf `initrd /intel-ucode.img` but after intel-ucode update on testing repo new microcode has not been updated
2023-08-09 11:12:30	aminvakil	journalctl -k --grep=microcode returns 2023-04-18
2023-08-09 11:12:50	aminvakil	i think it should return 2023-08-08
2023-08-09 11:13:15	aminvakil	should i do something else after intel-ucode update? i'm new to systemd-boot
2023-08-09 11:13:56	bionade24	aminvakil: Any loading errors? Did you check in the linux-firmware repo that the microcode updates even applies to your CPU model?
2023-08-09 11:14:00	MrElendig	depends on if you use uki or not, and what you have done to your bootloader config
2023-08-09 11:16:31	aminvakil	bionade24: no, i have not checked but new microcode should have been loaded anyway, right?
2023-08-09 11:17:53	bionade24	aminvakil: Idk, you can try section 3 here to be sure: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Microcode
2023-08-09 11:17:55	phrik	Title: Microcode - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-09 11:18:45	cloudowind	we change the parameter of a running module with modset ?
2023-08-09 11:19:27	cloudowind	modprobe only loads and unloads i think
2023-08-09 11:20:10	aminvakil	MrElendig: i'm not using uki
2023-08-09 11:20:54	MrElendig	cloudowind: most things can be changed trough /sys
2023-08-09 11:20:58	MrElendig	though not all
2023-08-09 11:21:14	cloudowind	hmm
2023-08-09 11:21:55	aminvakil	bionade24: no, i don't think there is an update available for me, there are three lines after "selected microcodes", but the dates are 2023-04-18
2023-08-09 11:23:59	aminvakil	i don't think it was needed, but i have executed bootctl --esp-path=/efi --boot-path=/boot update and it told me skipping .... "same boot loader version in place already."
2023-08-09 11:24:05	aminvakil	i had enabled systemd-boot-update.service
2023-08-09 11:25:10	aminvakil	does order matter in entries/linux.conf ?
2023-08-09 11:25:19	bionade24	aminvakil: Well, if you still load and only .bin file from inside the ucode.img, it'll still have the old date. You can look up how it's packaged
2023-08-09 11:25:40	Khorne	Order matters, microcode initrd entry should be before actual initrd entry
2023-08-09 11:25:58	brocellous	yea, ucode should be the first initrd
2023-08-09 11:26:07	aminvakil	Khorne: brocellous: it is first initrd
2023-08-09 11:26:18	aminvakil	after linux /vmlinuz-linux-hardened
2023-08-09 11:27:06	Khorne	then there just might not be an update 
2023-08-09 11:27:28	bionade24	As long as linux-firmware is already updated, too (not sure), late-loading should apply if early loading fails and there is an update available for your CPU model
2023-08-09 11:27:47	aminvakil	so journalctl -k --grep=microcode returning date = 2023-04-18 is fine?
2023-08-09 11:28:13	aminvakil	it only states new date when there is an update for my cpu?
2023-08-09 11:28:35	bionade24	aminvakil: Depends on your CPU, the date depends on the bin file for your cpu family, not the date of the ucode.img
2023-08-09 11:28:45	aminvakil	bionade24: gotcha
2023-08-09 11:29:33	aminvakil	i looked at the PKGBUILD and understood more how it has been packaged, it cannot load an old version of ucode anyway
2023-08-09 11:29:39	aminvakil	thanks for your help everyone!
2023-08-09 11:30:45	bionade24	aminvakil: If your UEFI has a newer version, it'll be preffered. You can only revert to older revisions as long as they're higher than the one from the UEFI
2023-08-09 11:31:19	bionade24	s/preffered/preferred/g
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2023-08-09 12:26:58	bionade24	cloudowind:  Do you know info pages? They never succeeded but when they're available, they're better.
2023-08-09 12:27:44	cloudowind	i felt like the command that i have used to install the system did fetched the linux image and other basic programs via net  i thought the iso downloaded had eveything i needed obviously wasnt 
2023-08-09 12:28:26	cloudowind	thanks bionade24  i am aware its existence now
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2023-08-09 13:45:36	wunit	dubiago: this is a support channel
2023-08-09 13:48:39	MarcinWieczorek	Hi. Why in /archlinux/iso/latest/arch/x86_64/ there is airoot.sfs but no airoot.sfs.sig, only *.cms.sig? Pixiecore fails because it can't find that file
2023-08-09 13:50:00	nl6720	MarcinWieczorek: https://monthly-reports.archlinux.page/2023/05/#archiso
2023-08-09 13:50:01	phrik	Title: May | Arch Linux Monthly Reports (at monthly-reports.archlinux.page)
2023-08-09 13:50:18	nl6720	see also the note in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Preboot_Execution_Environment#Pixiecore
2023-08-09 13:50:19	phrik	Title: Preboot Execution Environment - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-09 13:56:38	MarcinWieczorek	nl6720: thank you, this seems to be the case. I'm testing it patched rn
2023-08-09 13:59:34	MarcinWieczorek	nl6720: it works, thank you
2023-08-09 13:59:36	MarcinWieczorek	!next
2023-08-09 13:59:36	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2023-08-09 14:01:22	carbolymer	how can I reverse unraw-ing X?
2023-08-09 14:02:55	carbolymer	`kbd_mode -s -C /dev/tty1` seems to be not working and Alt-FN still switches to N tty
2023-08-09 14:05:49	tb0n3	Anybody know if theres a multistream sftp/rsync method for transferring over ssh? turns out my slow downloads to my phone are thanks to slow singlestream speeds
2023-08-09 14:07:11	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-08-09 14:07:13	carbolymer	ok just `kbd_mode -s` works
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2023-08-09 14:29:22	raccct	probably a stupid question: how do I renew an IP in arch?
2023-08-09 14:31:59	tb0n3	ip addr flush [device]?
2023-08-09 14:32:21	sheep	that removes all addresses from an itnerface. It's almost certainly not what you want
2023-08-09 14:32:41	sheep	raccct: do you mean renewing a DHCP lease? If so, then it depends on what DHCP client you configured
2023-08-09 14:33:26	Oddmonger	and the dhcd server can give the same address again
2023-08-09 14:33:56	raccct	thanks for the fast response guys. I tried 'ip addr flush [device]' is this guaranteed to give a new ip or just release the old one?
2023-08-09 14:34:34	Scimmia	raccct: did you read anyting anyone else wrote?
2023-08-09 14:34:34	raccct	I try to test if my other linux actually gives out ips or not. I have been able to flush it but don't get a new one.
2023-08-09 14:35:19	sheep	raccct: do not ip flush. That does not renew anything. It just removes all addresses
2023-08-09 14:35:32	raccct	sheep: not sure which dhcp client I have, how do I check?
2023-08-09 14:35:51	raccct	Oddmonger: that is ok, as long as I get one, haha
2023-08-09 14:36:02	raccct	Scimmia: on it. slow human parser :)
2023-08-09 14:36:08	sheep	raccct: you should know from when you set up the network. Possible DHCP clients include iwd, systemd-networkd (/etc/systemd/network), dhclient, dhcpcd, NetworkManager, and possibly others
2023-08-09 14:36:55	raccct	I have systemd and NetworkManager I think
2023-08-09 14:37:29	tb0n3	raccct: what exactly is the issue? cant access the network? or do you just want a new ip for some reason?
2023-08-09 14:37:36	raccct	sry, only NetworkManager then I guess
2023-08-09 14:37:53	sheep	if it's systemd, networkctl renew <interface>
2023-08-09 14:38:01	sheep	if it's NetworkManager, then I'm not sure
2023-08-09 14:38:38	raccct	I can ping my other machine if I give static ips, but I wait for piholes dhcp to give me one. which isn't happening yet. so i wanted some way to poke my arch to try to get a new one
2023-08-09 14:39:16	sheep	there's probably some nmcli command for it
2023-08-09 14:39:20	tb0n3	networkmanager has nmtui and nmcli for cli usage
2023-08-09 14:40:10	raccct	yup, I have nmtui and nmcli available
2023-08-09 14:40:27	tb0n3	dont you need to setup pihole as the dns or something?
2023-08-09 14:41:04	raccct	tb0n3: yup, it can optionally act as dhcp server. so I turned of my router and try to go direct
2023-08-09 14:41:41	tb0n3	turned off your router period or turned off your router dhcp
2023-08-09 14:43:13	raccct	first only dhcp off. didn't work. now turned off router completely. direct cable to pihole. trying to get dhcp lease
2023-08-09 14:45:14	raccct	but thanks for the help. I learned that this feature must be included in whatever network manager I use. So nmcli is probably: sudo nmcli connection down/up
2023-08-09 14:47:17	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-08-09 20:33:06	phonemic	I am attempting to expand the allowed pipewire sample rates based on this https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#Changing_the_allowed_sample_rate(s)
2023-08-09 20:33:07	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-09 20:33:54	phonemic	Works great when my external DAC is plugged into my laptop. However, if I boot my laptop without the DAC attached the internal sound card doesn't work. 
2023-08-09 20:34:17	phonemic	Any suggestions or additional reading to get this working on a per device basis?
2023-08-09 20:35:16	phonemic	I want the laptop to pass the files original sample rate to my external DAC when it's plugged in. I am fine with downsampling to 48kHz when it's not.
2023-08-09 20:44:39	NetSysFire	MrElendig: can you check your pms real quick?
2023-08-09 21:01:37	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-08-09 21:02:48	philalethes	crap, my PC shut off during pacman -Syu, and now rEFInd isn't managing to load Arch
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2023-08-09 21:03:11	philalethes	any easy way to fix?
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2023-08-09 21:04:23	nerdsrawesome12	philalethes, ssh into it or chroot into. If you're using zfs you can just roll back and same thing with lvm 
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2023-08-09 21:05:18	philalethes	how would I ssh into it when the OS won't start?
2023-08-09 21:05:43	nerdsrawesome12	Chroot it then ssh into if you could. 
2023-08-09 21:06:17	philalethes	well, same question, how would I chroot into it?
2023-08-09 21:06:43	teraflops	philalethes: boot arch iso, mount your partition layout, install linux package at the very first
2023-08-09 21:06:51	nerdsrawesome12	I think if you can do that, then you can just copy can paste commands without manually typing it. I need to set mine up so I don't have to manually unlock my luks and manually mount everything 
2023-08-09 21:06:53	MrElendig	boot install image, mount stuff, pacman -r /mnt -Syu all the packages it was working on
2023-08-09 21:06:58	philalethes	I hope I don't need a boot CD or USB for this, because that's my only pc and I don't have one, posting this from my phone, lol
2023-08-09 21:07:02	MrElendig	chroot is unlikely to woprk
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2023-08-09 21:07:12	MrElendig	philalethes: you don't have a otg dongle?
2023-08-09 21:08:14	philalethes	hmm, I don't think so
2023-08-09 21:08:38	philalethes	but is there no way to access the OS from the PC itself?
2023-08-09 21:08:44	nerdsrawesome12	MrElendig, what you mean? Isn't their bootloader broken? I think they said they were using redfind?
2023-08-09 21:08:48	MrElendig	depends on how badly its broken
2023-08-09 21:09:02	MrElendig	nerdsrawesome12: probably not the bootloader 
2023-08-09 21:09:09	nerdsrawesome12	Ah okay
2023-08-09 21:09:12	MrElendig	nerdsrawesome12: more likely it was updating the kernel or similar
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2023-08-09 21:09:21	MrElendig	without actual errors to look at though...
2023-08-09 21:09:32	nerdsrawesome12	Oh so it's probably screwed 
2023-08-09 21:09:54	nerdsrawesome12	Like not a easy fix.
2023-08-09 21:10:31	nerdsrawesome12	philalethes, I mean, can you at least get into the emergency shell?
2023-08-09 21:10:42	philalethes	https://ibb.co/WHL81QC
2023-08-09 21:10:44	phrik	Title: IMG-20230809-210339 hosted at ImgBB — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2023-08-09 21:10:49	philalethes	this is what I get 
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2023-08-09 21:11:16	philalethes	usually it just flashes rEFInd briefly and skips past that and boots up
2023-08-09 21:11:29	teraflops	philalethes: boot arch iso, and fix it from there
2023-08-09 21:11:32	philalethes	now it's stuck there 
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2023-08-09 21:12:56	philalethes	well, that's not an accessible option right now, so I'm just checking to see if there's any way at all to fix it without 
2023-08-09 21:13:07	teraflops	I don't think so
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2023-08-09 21:14:27	teraflops	you do not have any other linux image to boot from?
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2023-08-09 21:14:47	nerdsrawesome12	I would just chroot it, set everything up and just curl or wgetpaste any errors from your logs.
2023-08-09 21:15:18	philalethes	not even from the Intel "Secure Boot"?
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2023-08-09 21:15:54	philalethes	nerdsrawesome12: well, again, that was my only pc, and I don't have an ISO, formatted the drive I used to install 
2023-08-09 21:16:12	teraflops	rip
2023-08-09 21:16:18	philalethes	so I'm going to have to figure out how to get hold of one if that's my only option 
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2023-08-09 21:17:40	nerdsrawesome12	Pretty much. I mean you could probably find a way to boot into emergency shell if rEFInd has that. I don't know you're pretty screwed
2023-08-09 21:17:55	philalethes	I guess I'll rummage around for such a dongle 
2023-08-09 21:18:09	meatswets	you can get linux iso's preinstalled on a usb stick from amazon prime
2023-08-09 21:18:21	philalethes	heh 
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2023-08-09 21:19:00	meatswets	it may not be perfect, but it will get you back up and running
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2023-08-09 21:21:54	nerdsrawesome12	philalethes, piece of advice. Make sure you always have a device storage or a usb to avoid these types of situation 
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2023-08-09 21:25:15	philalethes	yeah, next time I'll buy a new drive instead of formatting it 
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2023-08-09 21:26:19	philalethes	meatswets: well, I guess, but I think I'd find some other way to get hold of bootable before it arrives, haha 
2023-08-09 21:26:49	za3k	Alright, now back to my /original/ problem, before I borked my install. I'm trying to get my intel backlight to work after resume
2023-08-09 21:26:57	meatswets	obviously if you have a friend with a computer that's probably quicker
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2023-08-09 21:32:54	ℹ 	Anaphaxeton es conocido ahora como Anaphaxaway
2023-08-09 21:33:13	teraflops	meatswets: 19 bucks at amazon, not bad 
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2023-08-09 21:34:44	MrElendig	https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07YYJRXQR/ref=twister_B0BR9135RC
2023-08-09 21:35:01	MrElendig	and there is an app for android to write os images to usb sticks
2023-08-09 21:35:08	teraflops	https://paste.priet.us/bootable.png
2023-08-09 21:35:16	teraflops	manjaro!
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2023-08-09 21:36:51	philalethes	I assume it's not possible to do it directly from the phone via USB
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2023-08-09 21:37:04	philalethes	i.e. boot an image that is located on the phone 
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2023-08-09 21:37:13	teraflops	hmm
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2023-08-09 21:38:07	teraflops	I think you can
2023-08-09 21:38:38	za3k	I also wonder if a phone could do PXE boot
2023-08-09 21:38:45	za3k	USB boot seems easier though
2023-08-09 21:39:01	za3k	I think you can't with a standard android, etc phone
2023-08-09 21:39:04	teraflops	there is drivedroid (it seems)
2023-08-09 21:39:08	za3k	But if you can I would love to learn how!
2023-08-09 21:39:18	teraflops	but yoiu have to use android and the device must be rooted
2023-08-09 21:39:20	za3k	Oh requires root, seems much more likely now
2023-08-09 21:39:35	za3k	That's really neat
2023-08-09 21:40:19	philalethes	I'm using Android, but not sure if it's rooted 
2023-08-09 21:40:35	philalethes	I did that thing in settings that unlocks everything 
2023-08-09 21:41:01	za3k	It should tell you whether you're rooted during boot
2023-08-09 21:41:09	teraflops	I suppose if you rooted your phone you should know
2023-08-09 21:41:30	teraflops	you have to unlock bootloader to begin with
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2023-08-09 21:42:10	topcat001	it would be wonderful to be able write an iso from a phone
2023-08-09 21:42:13	za3k	philalethes: are you on some form of google phone like a nexus/pixel?
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2023-08-09 21:42:33	teraflops	philalethes: I do not recommend that unless you want to eventually end with a non bootable phone as well ;)
2023-08-09 21:42:36	MrElendig	you could run a pxe/tftp server on the phone and network boot
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2023-08-09 21:43:06	za3k	That probably also needs root
2023-08-09 21:43:52	MrElendig	za3k: depends on if the firmware of the machine you are network booting supports custom port
2023-08-09 21:44:15	meatswets	actually if you had a usb/microsd card adapter then you could flash the image to the microsd from your phone pretty easily and then use the usb adapter for your computer to boot
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2023-08-09 21:45:59	philalethes	za3k: nope, on a Xiaomi Redmi 
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2023-08-09 21:46:05	meatswets	I suppose that usb-c drive would be better
2023-08-09 21:46:21	za3k	yeah i would expect you to have noticed whether you rooted it then :)
2023-08-09 21:46:39	philalethes	topcat001: yeah, in situations like this it'd be neat 
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2023-08-09 21:47:40	philalethes	MrElendig: how difficult would that be (network boot)?
2023-08-09 21:48:23	MrElendig	ymmv, depends on how broken the firmware is
2023-08-09 21:48:27	meatswets	I have one of these with ventoy on it and I use it a lot https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-128GB-Ultra-Drive-Type-C/dp/B01EZ0X55C/ref=sr_1_16?crid=P58UDZLN3ZUJ
2023-08-09 21:48:35	MrElendig	and if you have control over your router or not
2023-08-09 21:48:47	philalethes	lolw
2023-08-09 21:49:03	MrElendig	meatswets: I prefer the newer dual, that one is way too fat
2023-08-09 21:50:31	MrElendig	a short extention cable could solve that though
2023-08-09 21:50:35	philalethes	but would it be hard to set up to check?
2023-08-09 21:51:17	MrElendig	philalethes: tftp-cs or something on android + arch wiki on network booting
2023-08-09 21:51:27	philalethes	thanks 
2023-08-09 21:51:33	MrElendig	might be easier with a different image than arch though
2023-08-09 21:52:05	teraflops	this one requires root https://reboot.pro/index.php?showtopic=18074
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2023-08-09 21:52:07	phrik	Title: *NEW* App for PXE Booting from Android devices. - Boot from LAN - reboot.pro (at reboot.pro)
2023-08-09 21:52:23	meatswets	most wifi routers have a usb port I wonder if there is a way to flash linux on it from there 
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2023-08-09 21:52:51	MrElendig	meatswets: flash the router with openwrt first :p
2023-08-09 21:53:03	meatswets	yeah, something like that
2023-08-09 21:53:19	philalethes	lmao 
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2023-08-09 21:53:26	MrElendig	could also simply ask the neighbour to write the image to the stick
2023-08-09 21:53:27	philalethes	has science gone too far?
2023-08-09 21:53:45	meatswets	you never asked if we should, only if we could
2023-08-09 21:54:09	MrElendig	philalethes: did you only have the stock arch kernel installed?
2023-08-09 21:54:30	philalethes	hmm, I think so 
2023-08-09 21:55:01	philalethes	at least I can't recall having done anything too special, but it's been several years seen I set it up 
2023-08-09 21:55:08	philalethes	since*
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2023-08-09 21:58:33	⚡ 	topcat001 has isos taped everywhere, within reach
2023-08-09 21:58:35	meatswets	what about a rasperry pi, got one of those laying around?
2023-08-09 21:58:54	za3k	Okay, any advice debugging my backlight problem? I'm doing 'systemctl suspend', resume works fine, I can ssh in, and I can see the backlight is off using a flashlight.
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2023-08-09 21:59:22	za3k	My computer is a GPD Pocket 1
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2023-08-09 21:59:59	topcat001	za3k: can you try writing a value to the brightness /sys/... node? Might need root. Does that normally change the backlight brightness?
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2023-08-09 22:00:33	topcat001	then you can test writing a value through ssh and see if it turns it on
2023-08-09 22:00:53	philalethes	meatswets: nope...but I've got a power bank, muahaha 
2023-08-09 22:01:07	za3k	The value is already 99, changing it does nothing even normally
2023-08-09 22:01:31	topcat001	how do you change brightness?
2023-08-09 22:01:35	za3k	I don't.
2023-08-09 22:01:43	za3k	This is a fresh install, still getting things set up
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2023-08-09 22:02:34	za3k	or do you mean, what command? # echo 99 >/sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness
2023-08-09 22:03:09	topcat001	yes something like that. The exact path depends on hardware
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2023-08-09 22:06:30	za3k	https://germinate.za3k.com/pub/tmp/paste.0gAFH029.txt and here's the output of dmesg during and after suspend
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2023-08-09 22:13:10	za3k	But the above command does nothing, setting brightness 99 or 2 results in no visual changes
2023-08-09 22:13:25	za3k	Before or after suspend
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2023-08-09 22:21:08	za3k	Any suggested acpi_* parameters to try, maybe?
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2023-08-10 14:18:18	aregistereduser	jelle: that's on the table if needed - we run private clouds (red team org, what we do cannot be done in public clouds per TOS and common sense)
2023-08-10 14:18:21	alextee2	it says that installing gnome installs the core gnome apps
2023-08-10 14:18:28	jelle	alextee2: install gnome-extra
2023-08-10 14:18:30	alextee2	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNOME
2023-08-10 14:18:32	phrik	Title: GNOME - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-10 14:18:43	docdrow	hyprland > GNOME > KDE > *
2023-08-10 14:18:49	alextee2	jelle, i don't need gnome extra though, i just want the basic apps
2023-08-10 14:19:02	jelle	alextee2: then install gnome-terminal
2023-08-10 14:19:29	jelle	file manager should be part of the gnome group already
2023-08-10 14:19:39	alextee2	there's absolutely no apps at all
2023-08-10 14:19:43	alextee2	hmm
2023-08-10 14:19:46	Pikk3wyn	alextee2: what do you mean by that
2023-08-10 14:19:47	jelle	alextee2: does archinstall not install the gnome group?
2023-08-10 14:19:58	alextee2	i saw it install the gnome group, weird
2023-08-10 14:19:58	Pikk3wyn	do you mean you see no icons, or that you cannot launch them?
2023-08-10 14:20:12	alextee2	pressing the app icon thing (windows button on keyboard) shows nothing
2023-08-10 14:20:17	aregistereduser	if there _is_ interest among the maintainers to do aarch64, we can probably mock up everything we need in binfmt chroots and if proven out spend a few grand on the metal. I can throw a thousand cores at the binfmt thing for a while to build-up a base system set
2023-08-10 14:20:17	alextee2	just "extensions"
2023-08-10 14:20:25	alextee2	no icons Pikk3wyn 
2023-08-10 14:20:45	Pikk3wyn	are you absolutely sure that you want to be using arch
2023-08-10 14:20:49	alextee2	Extensions and 3 Avahi Browser things
2023-08-10 14:22:06	alextee2	ah hmm looks like some stuff wasn't installed
2023-08-10 14:22:06	Pikk3wyn	did you check if they are installed?
2023-08-10 14:22:17	alextee2	i entered another tty and tried to install gnome
2023-08-10 14:22:28	alextee2	seems like gnome-shell and a couple other things were installed
2023-08-10 14:23:00	alextee2	let me reboot and check
2023-08-10 14:23:06	Pikk3wyn	you don't need to reboot
2023-08-10 14:23:13	Pikk3wyn	that will change nothing
2023-08-10 14:23:27	alextee2	always a good idea to reboot when changing basic system things
2023-08-10 14:23:35	Pikk3wyn	no, actually :)
2023-08-10 14:23:54	alextee2	some stuff gets initialized on login and some stuff on boot
2023-08-10 14:23:57	Pikk3wyn	it isn't a basic system thing, that stuff is userspace software
2023-08-10 14:24:04	Pikk3wyn	it has nothing to do with boot
2023-08-10 14:24:09	alextee2	ok i see all the apps now
2023-08-10 14:47:24	predicament	I have a quesiton... one computer running arch updated pamac/libpamac etc got a different version... on this laptop, paru says "Accept Changes? Y/N" 
2023-08-10 14:47:33	predicament	any idea why that is?  i checked my mirrors, they're fine
2023-08-10 14:47:45	jelle	predicament: arch has no pamac
2023-08-10 14:47:56	predicament	well, i install it because it gives me an alert
2023-08-10 14:48:03	predicament	i just want to know why it didnt get the latest version'
2023-08-10 14:48:10	predicament	on here, that is
2023-08-10 14:48:25	susi	so you're on Manjaro?
2023-08-10 14:48:29	predicament	,, no
2023-08-10 14:48:31	predicament	i'm on arch
2023-08-10 14:48:39	predicament	i dont use manjaro
2023-08-10 14:48:43	susi	then why do you have pamac?
2023-08-10 14:48:52	predicament	i like the update notification
2023-08-10 14:48:54	Scimmia	so what's the question?
2023-08-10 14:48:56	predicament	its an OCD thing
2023-08-10 14:49:01	predicament	i just asked
2023-08-10 14:49:11	predicament	[Aug 10, 2023 08:48:03 AM]<predicament> i just want to know why it didnt get the latest version'
2023-08-10 14:49:11	predicament	[Aug 10, 2023 08:48:10 AM]<predicament> on here, that is
2023-08-10 14:49:19	jelle	predicament: you installed it from the AUR then
2023-08-10 14:49:23	predicament	i did
2023-08-10 14:49:25	jelle	please don't be a predicament 
2023-08-10 14:49:37	jelle	s/predicament/impediment/
2023-08-10 14:49:40	predicament	i'm just asking a question...
2023-08-10 14:49:44	predicament	my goodness
2023-08-10 14:49:50	Scimmia	predicament: so your question is why one helper didn't update another helper?
2023-08-10 14:49:59	predicament	why didn't it update?  yes
2023-08-10 14:50:00	jelle	predicament: then why are you bringing up mirrors, that is just confusing
2023-08-10 14:50:04	Scimmia	ask the people that support your helper
2023-08-10 14:50:12	predicament	i said that in case they asked if my mirrors are updated
2023-08-10 14:50:26	predicament	but that has nothing to do with paru
2023-08-10 14:50:29	predicament	sigh
2023-08-10 14:50:33	predicament	okay so where should i ask
2023-08-10 14:50:35	jelle	it does not
2023-08-10 14:50:54	predicament	i really just wanna know why this has the older version by just a bit
2023-08-10 14:51:11	predicament	ill prob just have to go to the AUR and install it without the helper
2023-08-10 14:51:14	susi	there's libpamac-git and pamac-aur-git/pamac-all-git, but then there's also libpamac-aur, libpamac, libpamac-full
2023-08-10 14:51:19	jelle	predicament: what do you have installed....
2023-08-10 14:51:35	susi	and pamac-aur
2023-08-10 14:51:39	predicament	i use pamac-aur and libpamac-aur 
2023-08-10 14:51:57	susi	either 
2023-08-10 14:52:05	susi	oops
2023-08-10 14:52:08	predicament	it's both
2023-08-10 14:52:09	jelle	ok ... now they are both 11.6
2023-08-10 14:52:10	predicament	they're rewuired
2023-08-10 14:52:11	predicament	yes
2023-08-10 14:52:12	jelle	!next
2023-08-10 14:52:13	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2023-08-10 14:52:16	predicament	no
2023-08-10 14:52:25	predicament	it's still not... fixed.. what the
2023-08-10 14:52:56	jelle	predicament: so what is the different version
2023-08-10 14:53:04	predicament	ill copy/paste hang on
2023-08-10 14:53:17	gromit	!give predicament paste
2023-08-10 14:53:18	phrik	predicament: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-08-10 14:53:22	predicament	11.6.1 for this one..
2023-08-10 14:53:25	predicament	or something similar
2023-08-10 14:53:35	predicament	and the other one has .2 at the end
2023-08-10 14:53:42	predicament	they are in fact different versions
2023-08-10 14:53:49	jelle	predicament: ok, we are getting quite close to +q territory
2023-08-10 14:54:08	predicament	,, ?
2023-08-10 14:54:36	susi	predicament: so what `pacman -Qs pamac` reports?
2023-08-10 14:54:39	jelle	predicament: as in you can actually give us information and you have to find a new support channel
2023-08-10 14:54:43	predicament	un momento
2023-08-10 14:55:41	predicament	[nitro@NITRO5 ~]$ sudo pacman -Qs pamac
2023-08-10 14:55:41	predicament	[sudo] password for nitro: 
2023-08-10 14:55:41	predicament	local/libpamac-aur 11.6.0-2
2023-08-10 14:55:41	predicament	    Pamac package manager library based on libalpm
2023-08-10 14:55:41	predicament	local/pamac-aur 11.6.0-1
2023-08-10 14:55:41	predicament	    A Gtk3 frontend, Package Manager based on libalpm with AUR and Appstream
2023-08-10 14:55:43	predicament	    support
2023-08-10 14:55:45	predicament	omg sorry
2023-08-10 14:55:48	predicament	fuck.
2023-08-10 14:56:07	predicament	i meant to paste it in another computer, i'm doing a lot at once
2023-08-10 14:57:21	Furai	Foxboron, hey, is updating docker-buildx on your roadmap? If not is it enough for me to change version in PKGBUILD? Or is it something more complicated than that?
2023-08-10 14:57:24	jelle	predicament: then don't ask for support, finish your other tasks first
2023-08-10 14:57:49	susi	predicament: you don't have to sudo every command
2023-08-10 14:57:58	predicament	yeah i know
2023-08-10 14:58:01	predicament	its habit
2023-08-10 14:58:35	predicament	so i gave the output susi
2023-08-10 14:58:36	jelle	predicament: so now you have to pastebin an actual error and use a pastebin like paste.ubuntu.com
2023-08-10 14:58:48	predicament	!paste
2023-08-10 14:58:49	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-08-10 14:58:53	predicament	we're told not to do that
2023-08-10 14:59:25	predicament	i did accidently paste it though.  i really was trying to put it in a bpaste
2023-08-10 14:59:32	jelle	ok smartass
2023-08-10 14:59:40	predicament	...
2023-08-10 14:59:44	predicament	im trying to follow rules
2023-08-10 15:00:33	predicament	!ix
2023-08-10 15:00:34	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2023-08-10 15:02:08	predicament	http://ix.io/4D96
2023-08-10 15:02:26	predicament	omg wtf
2023-08-10 15:02:38	predicament	well fuck that then, i dont knwo why that doesnt work
2023-08-10 15:02:57	predicament	unless you can't do that with pacman?
2023-08-10 15:03:00	Lunics	Excuse me, I'm setting up btrfs/snapper/grub-btrfs, snapshots work and grub-btrfsd service is triggered as expected, in the grub menu I can select my snapshotts to rollback but after doing it the /usr (on a separated btrfs subvolume) seems ko. Is it because / is mounted in read-only, overlayfs should enable the /usr mount ?
2023-08-10 15:03:32	susi	predicament: that's an empty paste, but does something not work?
2023-08-10 15:03:42	Namarrgon	Lunics: "seems ko"?
2023-08-10 15:03:58	predicament	i know it's an empty paste, i didnt like that, but i did that with pacman
2023-08-10 15:04:00	predicament	is that why?
2023-08-10 15:04:04	gromit	Furai: its a little more involved than that because of the way the PKGBUILD works
2023-08-10 15:04:33	predicament	i mean things work, i just want the paru that seems to be installed on the newer laptop
2023-08-10 15:04:42	predicament	because it's a bit different.
2023-08-10 15:04:55	Lunics	Namarrgon: the system doesn't boot because it can retrieve /sbin/init, sbin is a symlink to /usr/bin
2023-08-10 15:05:10	Namarrgon	Lunics: does that work before you roll back?
2023-08-10 15:05:40	predicament	for instance, it says its not empty now
2023-08-10 15:05:43	Lunics	Namarrgon: yes
2023-08-10 15:05:49	predicament	check the opaste again
2023-08-10 15:05:57	Namarrgon	Lunics: do you get dropped to the initramfs shell?
2023-08-10 15:06:14	predicament	works on the laptop, shwos up, but not on this one
2023-08-10 15:06:16	predicament	what the *fuck*
2023-08-10 15:06:29	predicament	it has no extensions
2023-08-10 15:06:33	Furai	gromit, thanks
2023-08-10 15:06:52	Lunics	Namarrgon: yes, the grubfs or something like that ? do you think my separate /usr is a problem ?
2023-08-10 15:07:20	predicament	since it's http (insecure as it likes to tell us) it seems like it;s blocking the url psate.  works on a browser with no extensions
2023-08-10 15:07:21	Namarrgon	Lunics: it certainly makes it more complicated (to debug) but it should work
2023-08-10 15:07:21	gromit	Furai: you have to update the _commit variable to point to the latest tag and then build 
2023-08-10 15:07:50	Furai	gromit, yeah, I've just checked the repo
2023-08-10 15:07:53	Furai	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/docker-buildx/-/commit/4734d4ea3735816de9d8c59a381d18827a02c3d6
2023-08-10 15:07:55	phrik	Title: upgpkg: 0.11.0-1 (4734d4ea) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / docker-buildx · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-08-10 15:08:33	predicament	what the fuck..
2023-08-10 15:08:46	predicament	this doesnt make sense.
2023-08-10 15:08:52	Namarrgon	Lunics: you have to make sure when you roll back that the kernel/initramfs, / and /usr states must be in sync or stuff will break
2023-08-10 15:09:04	gromit	predicament: stop swearing as much and use the enter key less
2023-08-10 15:09:11	predicament	oaky
2023-08-10 15:09:47	Lunics	Namarrgon: ok, I think grub-btrfs sync the / and initramfs already, but my /usr is out of the scope
2023-08-10 15:09:51	jkc	s/swearing/bitching/
2023-08-10 15:09:58	predicament	Well, point is that it worked as a paste on one and not this one and you guys also said it was empty, so i have o clue why it works on the laptop i did it from.
2023-08-10 15:10:23	predicament	!paste
2023-08-10 15:10:24	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-08-10 15:10:26	jkc	Check the command that you entered and confirm that the syntax is correct.
2023-08-10 15:10:35	predicament	i definitely did
2023-08-10 15:11:03	predicament	it works on the laptop but not for any of you
2023-08-10 15:11:12	predicament	and me too, on here
2023-08-10 15:11:25	jkc	Are we talking about your empty ix.io paste?
2023-08-10 15:11:28	susi	predicament: <command |& curl -F 'file=@-' 0x0.st
2023-08-10 15:11:31	predicament	Yes.
2023-08-10 15:11:38	predicament	hang on.
2023-08-10 15:11:39	jkc	It's empty. /shrug
2023-08-10 15:11:52	predicament	i know, it shows on mine is all im saying. its weird.
2023-08-10 15:12:04	susi	I still don't know if predicament has any problem, both are 11.6.0
2023-08-10 15:12:10	Namarrgon	you probably gave us the wrong URL then
2023-08-10 15:12:11	susi	maybe -1 or -2 doesn't matter in this case
2023-08-10 15:12:18	predicament	well one says different text for different stuff
2023-08-10 15:12:43	predicament	like "Accept changes? Y/N" instead of "Proceed" or something similar, i dont remember
2023-08-10 15:12:50	predicament	i'll try to look on here
2023-08-10 15:13:03	Lunics	Namarrgon: when I select a snapshot I go to the submenu where I can pick the snapshot itslef, or "vmlinuz-linux & initramfsfallback.img & intel-ucode.img" or "vmlinuz... initramfs.img & intel-ucde.img". Do you know what it means ?
2023-08-10 15:13:15	jkc	Maybe consider not using manjaro crapware to manage your packages.
2023-08-10 15:13:31	Namarrgon	Lunics: i don't know how any of the snapper or grub-btrfs stuff is set up
2023-08-10 15:13:55	Namarrgon	Lunics: when you get dropped to the initramfs shell, check what is in /new_root
2023-08-10 15:14:05	Furai	gromit, I guess for now I could as well just dl newer release and place it into `~/.docker/cli-plugins/docker-buildx` + make it executable to override it for my user. Seems easier. And I just need newest version temporarily to test some things. Thank you for your help!
2023-08-10 15:14:20	gromit	Furai: just give me a few secs, will update the package ^^
2023-08-10 15:14:24	Foxboron	Furai: I'm still catching up after vacation and new job
2023-08-10 15:14:47	Furai	Foxboron, no worries. 
2023-08-10 15:15:23	susi	predicament: I don't even believe you're using Arch anymore
2023-08-10 15:15:32	Lunics	Namarrgon: I'm on the rootfs shell, sbin -> usr/bin is empty, because /usr is mounted on /
2023-08-10 15:15:35	Furai	gromit, nice, I'm waiting patiently then. :) I've already overridden it locally but package update would be great!
2023-08-10 15:15:53	Lunics	Namarrgon: sorry, I'm mean /new_root/sbin is empty
2023-08-10 15:16:05	predicament	susi okay fine you don't believe i'm using arch lol
2023-08-10 15:16:10	predicament	would you like proof?
2023-08-10 15:16:18	Namarrgon	Lunics: can you check which snapshot is mounted to /new_root?
2023-08-10 15:16:28	predicament	and if you want proof, which kind of proof?
2023-08-10 15:16:44	Namarrgon	and whether it matches the 'uname -r' kernel
2023-08-10 15:16:47	predicament	i have it installed on both laptops, i like pamac because it tells me when updated packages are available
2023-08-10 15:16:49	predicament	that is why i like it
2023-08-10 15:16:50	predicament	that is all
2023-08-10 15:16:55	Namarrgon	predicament: stop that nonsense
2023-08-10 15:17:15	predicament	.. nonsense?  he told me he doesn't believe im using arch
2023-08-10 15:17:24	predicament	so im telling him the truth here.
2023-08-10 15:17:30	jkc	Nor do I, frankly.
2023-08-10 15:17:34	predicament	thats fine
2023-08-10 15:17:40	Namarrgon	i don't give a shit, take it somewhere else
2023-08-10 15:17:42	jkc	However, in either case, dump pamac. It's pretty bad.
2023-08-10 15:17:49	predicament	i just liek the update
2023-08-10 15:17:50	predicament	literally
2023-08-10 15:17:57	predicament	the red notification'
2023-08-10 15:18:02	predicament	i dont actually use it.
2023-08-10 15:18:02	Furai	Unrelated question - is there any way to check integrity of generated initramfs, I'm still experiencing broken boots from time to time and only workaround I've found so far was to regenerate initramfs. And probably long term fix would be to get some better RAM than PNY.
2023-08-10 15:18:12	predicament	sigh, thats all i meant.
2023-08-10 15:18:12	jkc	Admin your system competently. Weekly updates, etc. You don't need pamac to do that.
2023-08-10 15:18:25	Lunics	Namarrgon, it matches the same kernel, I just installed a package between the new and previous snapshot to do some tests
2023-08-10 15:18:35	predicament	no i dont, i just said i like the notification,.  i have some OCD, thats why im stuck on it
2023-08-10 15:18:40	predicament	ill figure it out on my own
2023-08-10 15:18:42	predicament	thanks
2023-08-10 15:18:51	jkc	Then get unstuck and quit making your bullshit someone else's problem.
2023-08-10 15:19:02	consus	wow you toxic little shit
2023-08-10 15:19:05	predicament	what'd I just say?
2023-08-10 15:19:09	predicament	wow.
2023-08-10 15:19:17	consus	predicament: not you
2023-08-10 15:19:27	predicament	no i am talking to jkc,
2023-08-10 15:19:59	Namarrgon	this isn't a kindergarden, take this somewhere else
2023-08-10 15:21:05	Scimmia	predicament: if you need help with something, post simple, straight forward questions with specific information. Same as ~12 hours ago where you went on a rant about nobody-knows-what
2023-08-10 15:21:06	predicament	Just read.  all I said was that I'll figure it out on my own.
2023-08-10 15:21:35	predicament	i wasn't trying to fight with people.
2023-08-10 15:22:28	Scimmia	!give predicament smartquestions
2023-08-10 15:22:28	phrik	predicament: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
2023-08-10 15:22:49	predicament	I'm awful with questions.
2023-08-10 15:23:08	predicament	I can't seem to ask a question to save my life.
2023-08-10 15:23:13	Namarrgon	that's why you should read that page
2023-08-10 15:23:17	predicament	^ i am
2023-08-10 15:23:18	Lunics	Namarrgon: I know which snapshot I ran, I'm pretty sure /usr is not mounted at the right place. Are you agree with me that it should be mounted on /new_root/usr ?
2023-08-10 15:23:23	jelle	try to improve, you have been over 1 year and we haven't seen much improvement
2023-08-10 15:23:41	predicament	I've had SOME improvement... come on.
2023-08-10 15:23:58	Namarrgon	Lunics: that's how it normally works if you use the regular usr mkinitcpio hook but i don't know how the snapper stuff works
2023-08-10 15:24:20	Lunics	Namarrgon, the mkinitcpio usr HOOK is the cause yeah
2023-08-10 15:24:27	predicament	I'm still me.  I have to censor myself in here often.
2023-08-10 15:24:34	predicament	anyway, i'm done talkng about it
2023-08-10 15:25:37	Lunics	Namarrgon: I'm going to do some research around snapper and multiple partitions
2023-08-10 15:25:38	luigibu	i guess is more a kde thing.. but since today (update) everytime i connect headphones or any bluetooth audio device.. the volume widget not longer works.. any having same issue? workaround? 
2023-08-10 15:26:30	luigibu	it just change btw. 45% volume and 55%
2023-08-10 15:26:40	Namarrgon	luigibu: i general i would probably not split out /usr into a subvolume
2023-08-10 15:26:45	Namarrgon	ugh, Lunics ^
2023-08-10 15:27:31	luigibu	:p
2023-08-10 15:27:39	Lunics	Namarrgon: Have you heard about an Arch with SuSe's layout to manage snapshots and rollback ?
2023-08-10 15:28:11	Namarrgon	nope
2023-08-10 15:28:18	Lunics	ok
2023-08-10 15:28:33	Namarrgon	it will probably remain this messy on arch
2023-08-10 15:29:42	gromit	Lunics: I have one box setup with snapper and stuff, but tbh I never restored a snapshot :p
2023-08-10 15:29:52	gromit	Lunics: also mind that there is existing documentation: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Snapper
2023-08-10 15:29:53	phrik	Title: Snapper - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-10 15:30:03	Ennea	so if one of firefox' webextensions processes/threads dumps core... how do i even begin to analyze the potential underlying problem? 🤔 always the same extension, mind you
2023-08-10 15:30:39	Lunics	gromit: thanks, I'll look again if I missed something
2023-08-10 15:34:42	Furai	gromit, I got the update, thanks!
2023-08-10 15:35:13	gromit	Furai: noice! 
2023-08-10 16:12:20	mchonedev	Are there any suggestions for system snapshots/backups for ext3/ext4 partitions? 
2023-08-10 16:12:51	predicament	So on this laptop,when using paru (paru-bin) when installing something from the AUR, instead of "Proceed to Installation? Y/n" instead of "Accept Changes? Y/N".  that;s all.  Literally.  I also reinstalled paru-git.  Didnt change.  .. and also like I said. I like the icons.  I hope this actually clears up what I was saying.  I'm doing my best here.
2023-08-10 16:13:13	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-08-10 16:13:22	predicament	oops, "it says" belongs in there as well
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2023-08-10 16:15:13	predicament	"it says "Proceed to Installation" etc.   sorry for the typo.  was really trying to clarify it.
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2023-08-10 16:16:29	Namarrgon	those look like two different prompts for two different actions and if not then you're running two different version.
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2023-08-10 16:28:12	predicament	Namarrgon, i believe it's two different versions if anything
2023-08-10 16:28:25	predicament	it just literaly has different text
2023-08-10 16:28:37	predicament	that seems to be the only VISUAL difference.
2023-08-10 16:28:55	predicament	i dont see multiple
2023-08-10 16:29:18	susi	so what's the problem?
2023-08-10 16:29:21	predicament	but its whatever, i'm not gonna trip over it.. i remember not getting a package that my other laptop got, it was a newer version of this
2023-08-10 16:29:26	susi	does it fail to install stuff, or something
2023-08-10 16:29:58	predicament	it was something that was bothing me, i wanted it to say "Accept Changes" like it should, thats mostly it.  and i like the red notification lol.
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2023-08-10 16:30:08	predicament	but no, nothing serious like I said.
2023-08-10 16:31:00	predicament	let me try somthing though
2023-08-10 16:31:58	predicament	damn it where's Morgan
2023-08-10 16:33:51	Namarrgon	https://github.com/Morganamilo/paru/blob/master/src/install.rs
2023-08-10 16:34:02	Namarrgon	two different prompts for two different actions
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2023-08-10 16:34:20	Namarrgon	this is a big waste of everyone's time
2023-08-10 16:34:24	predicament	oh prompts.
2023-08-10 16:34:43	predicament	sorry i misunderstood and okay i'll just stop
2023-08-10 16:35:05	predicament	that doesnt help me though.
2023-08-10 16:36:07	mchonedev	re: ext4 backups. I'm going to try borg backups
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2023-08-10 16:46:56	flavius	Hi. I was downloading targz files from the aur of the form https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/snapshot/ with a sleep of only 1s between downloads and my ip got blacklisted by the firewall. Obviously, my goal was/is not to overwhelm the server. Are the rules defined somewhere and can anyone tell me if and when this firewall rule will expire?
2023-08-10 16:48:13	@jelle	flavius: how many tar.gz files and which exactly?
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2023-08-10 16:48:38	@jelle	your link is not a tar.gz?
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2023-08-10 16:49:49	flavius	jelle 1080 so far. yes, it's about the snapshots of the pkgbuilds.
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2023-08-10 16:50:20	@jelle	flavius: o.o what's the purpose
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2023-08-10 16:52:03	flavius	I'm  working on a project to analyze them, build and rebuild packages when there are updates, including of the transitive dependencies, meaning building the full dependency graph, etc.
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2023-08-10 16:52:48	@jelle	flavius: why not git clone the repo?
2023-08-10 16:53:11	flavius	that would be my next question, how to clone the whole AUR?
2023-08-10 16:53:27	@jelle	good question, we used to have that at some point
2023-08-10 16:53:33	flavius	from what I've seen it's all separate repos in gitlab
2023-08-10 16:54:06	@jelle	flavius: that's the normal repos, not the aur
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2023-08-10 16:54:59	flavius	so we're talking about the 90k repos that aur serves
2023-08-10 16:55:12	@jelle	flavius: that is one repo yes
2023-08-10 16:55:39	alad	github.com/archlinux/aur
2023-08-10 16:55:49	@jelle	oh alad still knows <3
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2023-08-10 16:55:56	alad	:o
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2023-08-10 16:57:34	susi	is it big?
2023-08-10 16:57:38	flavius	jelle so let's take my problems step by step. first: how to get whitelisted again or how long until the ban expires?
2023-08-10 16:57:58	jelle	flavius: should be 24hours,  I can remove the ban if required
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2023-08-10 16:58:29	flavius	if you could that would be amazing. won't do it again, at least not that way
2023-08-10 16:58:45	jelle	flavius: please pm me your ip
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2023-08-10 17:07:24	flavius	jelle which ML is the appropriate one for discussing about the proper way to download the state of aur packages? By my rough estimation, that should be around 90k package metadata and 500MB. From here https://lists.archlinux.org/mailman3/lists/?count=200 I would guess devops or another one?
2023-08-10 17:07:25	phrik	Title: List Index - lists.archlinux.org (at lists.archlinux.org)
2023-08-10 17:08:09	gromit	flavius: did you see the link alad sent? you can just clone github.com/archlinux/aur
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2023-08-10 17:08:44	alad	if you just need the metadata you can use the .json dump
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2023-08-10 17:08:50	flavius	of right, cool
2023-08-10 17:09:02	alad	that one is 10mb compressed
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2023-08-10 17:13:54	lmat	I just updated zoom (AUR), and now zoom won't open at all. I don't see any comments on the AUR site, so this is just me? I also did a pacman -Syu and reboot; no joy
2023-08-10 17:14:23	lmat	When I run zoom and command line, it runs for maybe .75 seconds then quits. No standard error nor standard output. Return code 0.
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2023-08-10 17:14:40	Namarrgon	strace it
2023-08-10 17:14:56	flavius	alad I need the PKGBUILD & co. git clone from github is stuck, as in connection to github ok but no git packets coming through. maybe the repo is too big?
2023-08-10 17:15:37	flavius	alad nvm now it works, slowly
2023-08-10 17:15:39	alad	either do a shallow clone or have 5 minutes of patience
2023-08-10 17:15:41	lmat	ahhhhh,   "Start subprocess: /opt/zoom/zoom..."   wait4(-1...   sigchld si_status=127. "Something went wrong while running..."  I think there's a log somewhere.
2023-08-10 17:16:05	lmat	wow.  ~/.zoom/logs/zoom_stdout_stderr.log  :facepalm:
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2023-08-10 17:16:35	lmat	"/opt/zoom/zoom : symbol lookup error: /opt/zoom/QtQuick/Controls.2/libqtquickcontrols2plugin.so: undefined symbol: _ZN13QQmlDirParserC1Ev, version Qt_5_PRIVATE_API" ...
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2023-08-10 17:20:05	Namarrgon	is this aur/zoom or one of the others?
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2023-08-10 17:26:31	lmat	yeah, aur/zoom
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2023-08-10 17:29:57	royaljelly	what fonts do I have to install to make this stop happening (when using pv and ncat): https://i.imgur.com/BSKTNvC.png
2023-08-10 17:30:01	lmat	I'll try this? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/742515
2023-08-10 17:30:03	phrik	Title: debian - Zoom not starting because of undefined symbol from libqtquickcontrols2plugin.so - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2023-08-10 17:30:15	lmat	royaljelly: Maybe make sure you're using a utf8 locale?
2023-08-10 17:31:10	royaljelly	lmat: I have `LANG=en_US.UTF-8` in my locale.conf 
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2023-08-10 17:31:29	lmat	royaljelly: What about your terminal emulator?
2023-08-10 17:31:36	royaljelly	and terminal settings says that character encoding is utf-9
2023-08-10 17:31:40	royaljelly	utf-8*
2023-08-10 17:33:19	royaljelly	actually, i'm not even entirely sure if this is a terminal issue
2023-08-10 17:33:51	royaljelly	because i have pv running on the server i'm sending the file to, and that's displaying fine
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2023-08-10 17:34:53	ttnk	hi everybody, theres something strange happening with smplayer, at 9-10 minutes it just start to cut the feed, it doesnt matter if its a video from my HD or a stream, anybody having this issue?
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2023-08-10 17:36:51	Namarrgon	do you see increased cpu load at that point?
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2023-08-10 17:38:05	ttnk	Namarrgon: well i havent check that, but ill test
2023-08-10 17:38:15	Namarrgon	https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/issues/12076
2023-08-10 17:38:44	Namarrgon	check the linked issues at the bottom, too
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2023-08-10 17:40:59	Namarrgon	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/79300
2023-08-10 17:41:00	phrik	Title: FS#79300 : [glibc] 2.38 posix_memalign regression (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-08-10 17:41:04	ttnk	wow mpv goes to 140% cpu
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2023-08-10 17:43:23	teraflops	the first link is funny
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2023-08-10 17:45:59	ℹ 	duude__- es conocido ahora como duude__
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2023-08-10 17:48:20	teraflops	royaljelly: maybe the _server_ is not using same encoding than the client 
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2023-08-10 17:48:49	flavius	jelle in your opinion, would it be helpful for the arch community to make a report of aur packages for which the sources cannot be downloaded, e.g. because the packages have been moved? or is already something like this automatized (i.e. beside the manual marking as orphan process)
2023-08-10 17:48:58	royaljelly	teraflops: but im just SSHed in from a different tab of the same terminal emulator 
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2023-08-10 17:52:42	Hylden	Ok, got a new laptop, running pipewire, but it won't detect headphones when I plug them in. Any ideas? Common issue?
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2023-08-10 17:54:33	ℹ 	alip es conocido ahora como parrhesisastes
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2023-08-10 17:54:45	ℹ 	parrhesisastes es conocido ahora como alip
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2023-08-10 17:57:55	jelle	flavius: no strong opinion here, this might be best asked in #archlinux-aurweb or aur-dev (mailing list)
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2023-08-10 18:28:11	[-_-]	guys, am I suppose to maintain a separate python venv for each app?
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2023-08-10 18:33:04	mpan	[-_-]: why would be your reasoning for doing so?
2023-08-10 18:33:26	[-_-]	it seems I had gdown installed in one of my venv
2023-08-10 18:33:32	[-_-]	I installed jupyter in it
2023-08-10 18:33:40	◣	P1ro (~quassel@user/p1ro) ha salido (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2023-08-10 18:33:59	[-_-]	and then it did not work, they were demanding specific versins of specific packages
2023-08-10 18:34:11	gromit	[-_-]: you could just install stuff via pacman, that mostly just works
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2023-08-10 18:34:15	[-_-]	pip is not like pacman, it can't seem to resolve conflicts
2023-08-10 18:34:45	jelle	pipx!
2023-08-10 18:34:53	mpan	[-_-]: if software is requiring outdated packages, then yes. Your only option is to use venv for it. But for it, not literally for each app.
2023-08-10 18:35:15	[-_-]	oh..there is pipx !!
2023-08-10 18:35:33	[-_-]	gromit: I needed smth pacman didn't have
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2023-08-10 18:41:39	alip	pip is alcohol, pacman is weed.
2023-08-10 18:41:44	alip	one is depressant, the other is antidepressant.
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2023-08-10 18:44:49	[-_-]	both illegal here
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2023-08-10 18:48:13	Ingar	if both pip and pacman are illegal, how do you install software?
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2023-08-10 18:52:48	mpan	Ingar: I believe [-_-] meant the drugs alip mentioned, not pip and pacman. :)
2023-08-10 18:53:45	Ingar	pacman is more like mushrooms anyway
2023-08-10 18:53:51	Ingar	can get you into serious bad trips :D
2023-08-10 18:54:16	mpan	Not if you read the label^W messages.
2023-08-10 18:55:05	Ingar	mpan: the problem is it can pull in upstream surprises :)
2023-08-10 18:55:19	mpan	Not if you read the news! :D
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2023-08-10 18:56:40	mpan	Ok, I admit. It once gave me GNOME3. But that was once, just once! And I blame the dealers!
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2023-08-10 18:57:03	Ingar	mpan: that free trial is hard te resist!
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2023-08-10 19:00:59	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-08-10 19:21:07	Furai	On my older laptops using nvidia drivers since last few updates in Displays I can see "Unknown Display" listed. (Both use Gnome, one is 755M other 970M) Is this a known issue? I didn't see anyone mentioning it here on IRC.
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2023-08-10 19:54:06	Furai	Ok, answering my own question - setting `nvidia-drm.modeset=1` fixes it.
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2023-08-10 19:56:46	Furai	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#DRM_kernel_mode_setting
2023-08-10 19:56:47	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-10 19:56:55	Furai	Wiki here has typo, I suppose.
2023-08-10 19:57:14	Furai	It says it's `nvidia_drm` while everywhere I checked it's actually `nvidia-drm`
2023-08-10 19:57:25	astralc	it is not a typo
2023-08-10 19:57:28	astralc	both work
2023-08-10 19:57:37	astralc	for module names
2023-08-10 19:58:05	Furai	ok, didn't know that, thanks!
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2023-08-10 19:59:48	Furai	Somehow underscore looks more proper to me.
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2023-08-11 23:43:48	stef204	thanks.
2023-08-11 23:44:33	Namarrgon	nerdsrawesome12: where is there always "emerge --info" appended to your pastes?
2023-08-11 23:45:35	Namarrgon	it could be bad luck and whatever monitoring chipset the laptop uses isn't supported
2023-08-11 23:45:36	nerdsrawesome12	Namarrgon, cause I am running wgetpaste 
2023-08-11 23:45:48	Namarrgon	that explains nothing
2023-08-11 23:46:32	nerdsrawesome12	I know for a fact this system is not gentoo machine 
2023-08-11 23:46:37	Namarrgon	stef204: you don't happen to have a second laptop you could test it against?
2023-08-11 23:47:05	Namarrgon	nerdsrawesome12: i'm not saying that it's gentoo, just that your paste script is broken
2023-08-11 23:47:33	nerdsrawesome12	could it be this reason? wgetpaste -ic 'sensors'
2023-08-11 23:47:38	nerdsrawesome12	That's what I ran 
2023-08-11 23:49:09	Namarrgon	i don't know what -ic does, there's no documentation online either
2023-08-11 23:51:42	nerdsrawesome12	--i is info and --c is command. I believe it
2023-08-11 23:51:53	nerdsrawesome12	is a flag and I think I got from the gentoo wiki awhile ago 
2023-08-11 23:52:03	stef204	Namarrgon:unfortunately, no, I only have the one laptop
2023-08-11 23:52:35	Namarrgon	stef204: see if other owners of that laptop model had similar issues
2023-08-11 23:53:54	stef204	no one has this wireless card with my laptop, I deliberately "upgraded" to a card which would have dual wifi bands from the shitty 2.4 Ghz only (the stock one)
2023-08-11 23:54:39	stef204	Maybe I should go whole hog and try a wifi 6 but I think I'd have to change the antennas and I'm not keen on messing with that
2023-08-12 00:38:00	susi	nerdsrawesome12: you can set INFO_COMMAND to something else, but better just leave -i off the invocation
2023-08-12 00:57:15	primalmotion	so I have a keybiard with an integrating screen with a weird resolution of 1920x515. How can I change the console resolution? I have seen many potential solution related to grub, but not systemd-boot. I also don't really care about the console resolution during boot, but it's graphicless box and I would like to have the correct resolution on my tty. I have tried to add video=1920x515 to the
2023-08-12 00:57:17	primalmotion	kernel params, but that does not seem to do anything
2023-08-12 01:34:36	noobie519	Hi there, I am brand new to Arch and a new Linux user in general.  I posted for help on another channel and they said stop using Debian and move to Arch or be sorry, so, here I am
2023-08-12 01:34:58	noobie519	Is there anything as easy as apt on here?
2023-08-12 01:35:28	StayWoke	pacman
2023-08-12 01:35:47	Namarrgon	have you considered fedora? it has a flatter learning curve
2023-08-12 01:35:56	StayWoke	pacman -S *name of program* to install most things you'll ever need 
2023-08-12 01:36:23	StayWoke	or yay -S *name of program* for stuff that's on the AUR 
2023-08-12 01:38:59	zenof	Hey, I would like to do something like "$ gio mount -d /dev/sdb1 " for an internal sdb1. I tried to put "..., users" as an option in the according fstab entry, but with no luck. Now, I guess the better way would be to tell udisks that normal users are allowed to mount that disk, but how?
2023-08-12 01:48:10	zenof	addenda i) by "no luck" I meant I still get asked for root privileges by polkit and ii) I basically need help to set up polkit the right way for this.
2023-08-12 01:49:39	mpan	zenof: see <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Udisks> in connection with rules writing <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Polkit>.
2023-08-12 01:49:40	phrik	Title: udisks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-12 01:50:56	mpan	zenof: see this as an example: <https://0x0.st/H_68.txt> (from my system, for allowing users unlocking a drive).
2023-08-12 01:51:25	zenof	I did read these two...
2023-08-12 01:51:38	zenof	mpan, okay, thanks, will have a look
2023-08-12 02:04:50	zenof	mpan, do I have to reload polkitd manually? 
2023-08-12 02:06:04	mpan	zenof: I do not remember. :/
2023-08-12 02:07:10	mpan	I wrote that file in Dec 2022.
2023-08-12 02:08:09	zenof	mpan, I can run "$ sudo systemctl restart polkit.service" with no errors. but with no change to polkit asking me for a password either.
2023-08-12 02:09:20	zenof	I did adapt your rule, changed the UUID and user0, but...
2023-08-12 02:10:47	mpan	… but they disappeared! No polkit rule to access IRC! :(  ;)
2023-08-12 02:14:35	mpan	zenof: did you also adapt action?
2023-08-12 02:14:43	mpan	This example was specifically for unlocking an encrypted drive.
2023-08-12 02:15:04	zenof	which is exactly my case...
2023-08-12 02:15:08	mpan	oh
2023-08-12 02:15:34	mpan	Do you see any errors in the journal?
2023-08-12 02:16:14	mpan	Possibly something is wrong with the rule (a syntax error) or another action is being invoked by your desktop environment.
2023-08-12 02:17:02	mpan	As the docs say “For example, the Filesystem.Mount() method call may check that the caller is authorized for one of the four actions org.freedesktop.UDisks2.filesystem-mount, org.freedesktop.UDisks2.filesystem-mount-system, org.freedesktop.UDisks2.filesystem-mount-other-seat or org.freedesktop.UDisks2.filesystem-mount-fstab depending on circumstances.”
2023-08-12 02:17:20	mpan	So depending on the situation many things may be checked.
2023-08-12 02:24:36	zenof	mpan, my /etc/polkit-1/rules.d/ is basically empty except for the rule I just added. when I attempt to gio mount that drive, I am asked for my password. cancelling that -> journal says "FAILED to authenticate to gain authorization for action org.freedesktop.udisks2.encrypted-unlock-system for system-bus-name::1.35"
2023-08-12 02:25:16	zenof	and, by password I don't mean the encryption passphrase...
2023-08-12 02:27:00	mpan	zenof: are you sure the UUID is of the encrypted device and not — by accident — the filesystem inside of it?
2023-08-12 02:27:57	mpan	Also, for testing purposes, you may remove the `subject.user` and `subject.local` tests. This will permit anybody to perform this action, but for testing it is fine.
2023-08-12 02:28:18	mpan	Actually you may even remove the UUID test for debugging.
2023-08-12 02:30:08	mpan	Also see <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Polkit#Debugging/logging> to get `polkit.log` actually print stuff.
2023-08-12 02:30:09	phrik	Title: polkit - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-12 02:41:48	zenof	mpan, yes, now polkit spits "Error loading script /etc/polkit-1/.../myrule.rules".
2023-08-12 02:42:57	mpan	Oh, so there must be some syntax error.
2023-08-12 02:43:50	zenof	but, syntactically your rule is correct, right? so, this should work.
2023-08-12 02:44:00	mpan	zenof: would you share “myrules.rules”?
2023-08-12 02:44:02	mpan	!give zenof paste
2023-08-12 02:44:04	phrik	zenof: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-08-12 02:44:40	mpan	A side note: since the rules are processed in dictionary order, it’s a convention to name them in “##-blebleh.rules” fashion.
2023-08-12 02:44:46	mpan	## is a two-digit number.
2023-08-12 02:46:26	zenof	right, but since I have only one single file there (by now)... I guess that should be fine.
2023-08-12 02:46:39	mpan	zenof: actually… rename it to anything below 50.
2023-08-12 02:46:49	mpan	“49-myrule.rules” for example. And recheck.
2023-08-12 02:46:50	zenof	10-allow-users.rules
2023-08-12 02:47:03	zenof	did do that.
2023-08-12 02:47:07	mpan	Still the same?
2023-08-12 02:48:07	zenof	https://bpa.st/IQBQ
2023-08-12 02:48:07	phrik	Title: View paste IQBQ (at bpa.st)
2023-08-12 02:48:46	zenof	neither this slightly modified version, nor yours c&p'ed work.
2023-08-12 02:50:50	mpan	Hmm. Indeed I do not spot any errors either. They differ by UUID and user name only. :/
2023-08-12 02:50:56	mpan	And yes, mine works flawlessly.
2023-08-12 02:54:04	zenof	uuuh. ooohh. permissions were wrong. now the script loads w/o errors. 
2023-08-12 02:54:11	mpan	:)
2023-08-12 02:54:23	zenof	but, still I am asked for permissions when I try to mount the disk
2023-08-12 02:54:29	zenof	hang on.
2023-08-12 02:58:34	zenof	nope, no suc
2023-08-12 02:58:58	mpan	zenof: try removing some of the conditions and see, if it works. Just for test.
2023-08-12 02:59:28	mpan	Also, see if using udisksctl directly works. To see, if there is no other factors involved.
2023-08-12 02:59:38	mpan	Did you see the note about enabling debugging messages in polkit?
2023-08-12 03:02:04	zenof	"$ udisksctl unlock -b /dev/sdb" asks me for the passphrase, then still for privileges
2023-08-12 03:02:14	mpan	Hmm
2023-08-12 03:02:34	mpan	What about debugging? To see, what stuff is actually passed to polkit.
2023-08-12 03:07:29	zenof	according to https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Polkit#Debugging/logging I set up a rule
2023-08-12 03:07:31	phrik	Title: polkit - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-12 03:07:54	zenof	but, # journalctl -f gives no further info.
2023-08-12 03:10:20	mpan	Did you restart polkit after changing this?
2023-08-12 03:11:02	mpan	Wait, wait, wait. What do you mean by “I set up a rule”?
2023-08-12 03:12:30	zenof	but, yeah, I did miss the --no-debug flag
2023-08-12 03:12:51	mpan	Well, the logging itself is already in the rule I offered. The --no-debug flag is the important part. :)
2023-08-12 03:14:55	zenof	but, after restarting polkit, now I directly get "gio: /dev/sdb: Not authorized to perform operation" 
2023-08-12 03:15:02	zenof	at least, a little change
2023-08-12 03:15:13	mpan	But what about the journal?
2023-08-12 03:16:43	zenof	omp
2023-08-12 03:16:51	mpan	omp
2023-08-12 03:16:55	mpan	rcr: omp
2023-08-12 03:16:58	mpan	rcf: ↑
2023-08-12 03:19:51	zenof	removed the --no-debug flag, systemctl daemon-reload, tried to unlock, same behavior
2023-08-12 03:20:08	zenof	plus, no further info
2023-08-12 03:20:11	mpan	Hmm
2023-08-12 03:20:15	zenof	in journal
2023-08-12 03:20:22	⚡ 	mpan is out of ideas.
2023-08-12 03:20:53	mpan	Other than removing the conditions to see, if any of them is not specified wrong.
2023-08-12 03:21:46	zenof	I removed user and local check.
2023-08-12 03:22:49	zenof	stripped it down to "if ('org.freedesktop.udisks2.encrypted-unlock-system' == action.id) { ..."
2023-08-12 03:23:05	mpan	Still does not pass?
2023-08-12 03:23:16	zenof	ohhh. _this_ works!
2023-08-12 03:23:29	mpan	Oh, so some progress. Some other value does not agree then.
2023-08-12 03:24:15	mpan	So now you only need to know which of the three values is wrong.
2023-08-12 03:24:30	zenof	that UUID, should that be the one of the blkdevice holding the encrypted container?
2023-08-12 03:24:38	mpan	yes
2023-08-12 03:25:04	zenof	so $ lsblk -f should give it, right?
2023-08-12 03:25:32	mpan	No
2023-08-12 03:25:42	zenof	why?
2023-08-12 03:25:43	mpan	`lsblk -f` prints information about filesystems.
2023-08-12 03:26:07	zenof	but, it spits the UUID of my /dev/sdb
2023-08-12 03:26:34	mpan	Ok, let me check.
2023-08-12 03:27:24	zenof	unlocking that crypted dev reveals the UUID of the fs's inside, but taking one of these again fail.
2023-08-12 03:27:31	zenof	+ makes no sense.
2023-08-12 03:27:33	mpan	Yes, that is expected.
2023-08-12 03:28:02	mpan	Use `sudo blkid` instead to get the UUID.
2023-08-12 03:28:09	mpan	(and see if that works)
2023-08-12 03:28:40	mpan	I think `lsblk -f` might work in this case, because LUKS container will provide the filesystem UUID. But I am not 100% certain.
2023-08-12 03:28:43	zenof	works, but gives the very same UUID
2023-08-12 03:28:46	mpan	ok
2023-08-12 03:28:53	mpan	So the UUID seems fine.
2023-08-12 03:28:58	zenof	what does action.lookup('id.uuid') do?
2023-08-12 03:29:18	mpan	Retrieves the UUID of the device, which is the subject of the action.
2023-08-12 03:29:36	zenof	yes, so this should be fine
2023-08-12 03:30:23	mpan	http://storaged.org/doc/udisks2-api/latest/udisks-polkit-actions.html
2023-08-12 03:30:24	phrik	Title: Authorization Checks: UDisks Reference Manual (at storaged.org)
2023-08-12 03:30:28	mpan	(Table 1)
2023-08-12 03:33:02	zenof	okay. I step by step added back in the checks, so, subject.user and subject.local ...
2023-08-12 03:33:33	zenof	now, I can mount the disk. just so.
2023-08-12 03:33:43	mpan	So the UUID is the problem?
2023-08-12 03:33:55	zenof	I triple checked the UUID.
2023-08-12 03:34:13	zenof	it is, and it was the same. I don't know.
2023-08-12 03:34:28	mpan	!check if the Moon has moved in the right position
2023-08-12 03:34:29	phrik	Testing if the Moon has moved in the right position: [PASS]
2023-08-12 03:34:42	zenof	maybe quantum physics.
2023-08-12 03:36:13	zenof	thanks for the patience!
2023-08-12 03:37:51	mpan	Not a problem, if the other end is coöperative. :)
2023-08-12 03:38:17	bungus	im trying to setup snapper with btrfs snapshots and subvolumes but i already have data on the drive, can you create the subvolumes without having to juggle around data?
2023-08-12 03:38:36	zenof	though, I suspect a bad char. honestly I just copy and pasted. still when adding back in stuff I did the same, not writing it myself. hmmm
2023-08-12 03:39:16	bungus	i just did the process on a freshly formatted drive and i believe everything works correctly but im not sure about doing it without wiping data
2023-08-12 04:05:37	Helenah	Has anyone here had to compile sdl2_gfx? I'm getting: SDL2_imageFilter.c:51:14: fatal error: mmintrin.h: No such file or directory
2023-08-12 04:05:56	Helenah	Arch Linux packages aren't satisfying it, it's looking for this file in some other location.
2023-08-12 04:07:03	sheep	it looks like that should be provided by gcc or clang, depending on which you compile with
2023-08-12 04:07:30	Helenah	sheep: So I need to compile one of those?
2023-08-12 04:07:45	sheep	no, just install the package
2023-08-12 04:08:47	Helenah	Thing is... my system has mmintrin.h as I installed the clang package, but the compilation still complains it's not there. I also tried some gcc package which provides the file too, still no luck. I'm trying to compile lincity-ng as an end result.
2023-08-12 04:09:24	sheep	is it trying to build a 32-bit binary?
2023-08-12 04:09:42	Helenah	sheep: How would I find that information out?
2023-08-12 04:09:53	sheep	does it run gcc or clang with the -m32 option?
2023-08-12 04:11:57	Helenah	sheep: I'm not seeing any -m32 option in there: https://termbin.com/y3md
2023-08-12 04:13:49	Helenah	!check test
2023-08-12 04:13:49	phrik	Testing test: [FAIL]
2023-08-12 04:13:54	Helenah	What is that?
2023-08-12 04:13:57	sheep	I wonder if it's just missing a -I option
2023-08-12 04:14:07	sheep	it's a random thing that phrik does
2023-08-12 04:14:11	Helenah	Oh
2023-08-12 04:14:17	sheep	!check spline reticulation
2023-08-12 04:14:17	phrik	Testing spline reticulation: [FAIL]
2023-08-12 04:14:21	Helenah	Ah
2023-08-12 04:14:40	Helenah	It makes me think of init systems...
2023-08-12 04:19:37	Helenah	sheep: I tried passing -I followed by the directory to make.
2023-08-12 04:19:50	Helenah	directory containing mmintrin.h
2023-08-12 04:20:30	sheep	I think you would have to put it in the CFLAGS variable in make, but I forget exactly how to do that
2023-08-12 04:21:14	Helenah	Ah, got the answer.
2023-08-12 04:28:16	Helenah	sheep: hmm seems to get further though I'm not confident with what I'm seeing...
2023-08-12 04:28:44	Helenah	 /lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/12.1.0/include/arm_neon.h:20027:31: error: unknown type name '__builtin_neon_xi'
2023-08-12 04:29:04	Helenah	Is this CPU architecture specific?
2023-08-12 04:29:29	sheep	yes
2023-08-12 04:29:37	Helenah	Riiiiight.
2023-08-12 04:30:02	Helenah	My build triple is: aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu
2023-08-12 04:51:20	jkc	Helenah: That would mean you're on Arch ARM?
2023-08-12 04:51:46	Helenah	jkc: Yes.
2023-08-12 04:52:32	jkc	Arch doesn't have an ARM release, so most folks in this channel won't be able to help.
2023-08-12 04:52:34	jkc	!alarm
2023-08-12 04:52:35	phrik	If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
2023-08-12 05:27:37	Helenah	Oh OH, joining that channel now.
2023-08-12 08:09:44	noobie519	Hi guys, I'm root@archiso~# and trying to install something like vim
2023-08-12 08:10:03	noobie519	I only know debian and would typically type apt install -y vim
2023-08-12 08:10:21	noobie519	What is my arch equivalent?  Sorry for newbie quetions
2023-08-12 08:11:02	noobie519	pacman -s vim says "invalid option -s"
2023-08-12 08:11:17	noobie519	not the most user friendly OS that's for sure :)
2023-08-12 08:13:11	another|	pacman -S vim
2023-08-12 08:13:29	noobie519	Oh shoot, just a matter of caps?  Thanks !
2023-08-12 08:15:20	noobie519	I'm trying to find WireGuard, I've tried pacman -S wireguard, wg, things like this
2023-08-12 08:15:30	noobie519	and no wg- related binaries appear to be on the system
2023-08-12 08:15:33	noobie519	so I am unsure
2023-08-12 08:16:53	another|	wireguard-tools
2023-08-12 08:22:59	trev	anyone notice a stop job on shutdown after a recent update?
2023-08-12 08:23:11	trev	happens every shutdown for me
2023-08-12 08:23:50	Blissful_Sage	no, everything working fine here.
2023-08-12 08:24:14	Blissful_Sage	trev: whats the name service is stoping?
2023-08-12 08:24:22	Blissful_Sage	name of the service/
2023-08-12 08:25:10	trev	i didn't notice one. let me check again. usually it just says it's for my user and that's it
2023-08-12 08:25:13	trev	brb
2023-08-12 08:25:24	cloudowind	is there a new update?
2023-08-12 08:25:35	Blissful_Sage	new update?
2023-08-12 08:26:01	cloudowind	trev said after recent update i thought there was a new linux image 
2023-08-12 08:26:12	Blissful_Sage	no no
2023-08-12 08:26:16	Blissful_Sage	its the same
2023-08-12 08:26:22	cloudowind	k my bad sry
2023-08-12 08:26:26	Blissful_Sage	np
2023-08-12 08:27:16	Blissful_Sage	cloudowind: always see https://archlinux.org/ the top latest news
2023-08-12 08:27:17	phrik	Title: Arch Linux (at archlinux.org)
2023-08-12 08:28:15	cloudowind	right , and getting latest kernel news from lkml.org
2023-08-12 08:29:52	cloudowind	i am on 6.4.7 , latest official one is 6.4.10
2023-08-12 08:36:00	Blissful_Sage	it must in testing phase.
2023-08-12 08:39:00	esph	Nah 6.4.10 is in core. Speaking of which, did anybody else see performance degradation with 6.4.9? Just about to reboot and check if .10 is better
2023-08-12 08:39:57	Blissful_Sage	i have Linux Archlinux 6.4.9-arch1-1 
2023-08-12 08:40:37	Blissful_Sage	:: Starting full system upgrade...
2023-08-12 08:40:39	Blissful_Sage	 there is nothing to do:: Starting full system upgrade...
2023-08-12 08:40:41	Blissful_Sage	 there is nothing to do:: Starting full system upgrade...
2023-08-12 08:40:43	Blissful_Sage	 there is nothing to doy
2023-08-12 08:40:45	Blissful_Sage	opps
2023-08-12 08:41:56	esph	Blissful_Sage: https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/linux/
2023-08-12 08:42:00	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - linux 6.4.10.arch1-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2023-08-12 08:45:37	Blissful_Sage	 my wezterm not letting me open links
2023-08-12 08:45:39	Blissful_Sage	brb
2023-08-12 08:47:15	cloudowind	...
2023-08-12 08:47:55	Blissful_Sage	esph: can you repaste?
2023-08-12 08:48:18	esph	It's the official linux package page....
2023-08-12 08:48:25	esph	(arch I mean)
2023-08-12 08:49:07	Blissful_Sage	can't find
2023-08-12 08:49:23	esph	https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/linux/
2023-08-12 08:49:26	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - linux 6.4.10.arch1-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2023-08-12 08:50:07	Blissful_Sage	why its did not updated? sudo pacman -Syu is the command right?
2023-08-12 08:52:31	esph	your mirrors are slow
2023-08-12 08:54:02	Blissful_Sage	let me see rate-mirrors
2023-08-12 08:55:25	Blissful_Sage	ah yeah 
2023-08-12 08:55:28	Blissful_Sage	now its working
2023-08-12 08:58:27	Ennea	esph, what kind of performance degradation were you seeing with 6.4.9?
2023-08-12 09:05:25	esph	Ennea: system couldn't handle significant multitasking with mpv running. Seems not quite as bad on .10, but still a lot worse than .7 which was the last I was using
2023-08-12 09:12:04	cloudowind	i am on .7 and happy at the moment can't complain
2023-08-12 09:14:45	Ennea	esph, can't say i've seen the same on my end
2023-08-12 09:14:55	Ennea	esph, do you know about the glibc related bug that's been manifesting in mpv?
2023-08-12 09:15:28	Ennea	this one: https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/issues/12076
2023-08-12 09:17:23	Ennea	related arch bug: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/79300
2023-08-12 09:17:25	phrik	Title: FS#79300 : [glibc] 2.38 posix_memalign regression (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-08-12 09:22:17	esph	Ennea: hmm, glibc did upgrade at the same time. This could be it. Figured it was the kernel since mpv last updated 2 weeks ago and everything's been fine since then
2023-08-12 10:05:13	esph	Ennea: yeah switching mpv to use jemalloc resolved the issue. Hopefully the patches make it in soon, or else I'll probably have to do the same thing for other programs
2023-08-12 10:28:50	Abdullah	reasons, why I shouldn't use ubuntu?
2023-08-12 10:31:12	MrElendig	Abdullah: corporate backed and run
2023-08-12 10:31:27	MrElendig	Abdullah: see e.g. the latest example; their takeover of lxd
2023-08-12 10:33:07	MrElendig	on the flip side they offer 10 years support
2023-08-12 10:33:12	MrElendig	(for some notion of support)
2023-08-12 10:34:20	coruja	short con: because it's not arch, short pro: because it's not arch
2023-08-12 10:35:51	Abdullah	nothing beats arch <3
2023-08-12 10:37:06	Abdullah	have tried almost all major distros there except ubuntu (in desktop). always came back to arch
2023-08-12 10:38:37	Abdullah	I was using Debian and they say you can always use unstable if you wish to go arch way, but still packages were way back than arch.
2023-08-12 10:40:18	Abdullah	There are people saying, with archlinux you always have to configure your system by hand, but I had alot of trouble with debian when I needed latest packages, and even still my system wasnt as I needed it to be.
2023-08-12 10:42:24	coruja	debian's main goal is to maintain their current and prepare their next stable releases, not being close to upstream, and the state of unstable depends a lot of the time in the release cycle
2023-08-12 10:55:37	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-08-12 11:03:34	dpirate	Because like debian it uses dpkg which is needlessly hard to make packages with (many control files instead of one file like RPM and pacman) and because it micropackages everything which makes it hard to keep packages under control.
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2023-08-13 11:20:49	bungus	Exec = /usr/share/libalpm/scripts/grub-mkconfig &>/dev/null how come this isnt working? its still outputting text 
2023-08-13 11:21:05	bungus	trying to silence a pacman hook that is spamming a bunch of lines
2023-08-13 11:21:08	alextee2	im running arch linux inside QEMU/virtd. how can i enable copy paste from the host?
2023-08-13 11:21:23	alextee2	is there some equivalent to virtualbox guest additions but for QEMU?
2023-08-13 11:24:41	alextee2	ok it was spice-vdagent, it works now
2023-08-13 11:24:44	alextee2	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/QEMU#Enabling_SPICE_support_on_the_guest
2023-08-13 11:24:46	phrik	Title: QEMU - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-13 11:27:44	Ennea	well, this is weird.. torchlight 2 crashes immediately when launching it. the launcher still works, but once i try to launch the game, it segfaults. it was still working yesterday, and i didn't install or update any packages between yesterday and today. what would be the best way to analyze this?
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2023-08-13 11:42:40	Khorne	The games logfiles
2023-08-13 11:43:00	Ennea	you're assuming there are any :)
2023-08-13 11:43:35	Ennea	from what i can tell, torchlight 2 just logs to the journal. very extensively, too. but the logs before the crash aren't helpful. i've checked yesterday's journal, and i'm getting the same warnings i get right before the crash, so i assume they aren't related
2023-08-13 11:43:54	Ennea	removing my config files and savegames also doesn't help, the game still crashes
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2023-08-13 11:49:10	frexxx	Hello. I've been trying to install python-textual from AUR, but even with the fixes in the comments I couldn't do it. 
2023-08-13 11:49:13	frexxx	Any ideas on this one? 
2023-08-13 11:49:48	Khorne	hm
2023-08-13 11:53:02	Ennea	Khorne, inspecting the core dump in gdb with my _very_ limited knowledge, it seems like it is tripping over the selection of the audio device somehow. it's using fmod (supplied by the game itself) as its audio library, and this appears to be calling some ALSA functions to figure out the audio device
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2023-08-13 11:57:03	Ennea	Khorne, i've now just installed the windows version of tl2 instead, which i'm running via proton, because screw this mess :p
2023-08-13 11:57:44	Khorne	yeaaa
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2023-08-13 12:17:43	ChiefMooMoo	I havne't used this system for a while, and I'm getting an error that WebKitWebDriver is owned by webkit2gtk-5.0. Therefore, I can't update the system. It looks like webkit2 is now on version 6.0. Would simply force-removing 5.0 and installing 6.0 break the dependencies with evolution-data-server?
2023-08-13 12:18:25	ChiefMooMoo	I may just cross my fingers and dive in... I don't really even use the evolution-data-server
2023-08-13 12:19:08	demonicmaniac1	Ennea: often times when games come with a launcher preloading their own libs it's a good idea to try to find the actual binary and run that without any of the launcher preloading stuff
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2023-08-13 12:22:15	Ennea	demonicmaniac1, i had tried that, didn't work either
2023-08-13 12:22:22	Ennea	wouldn't have made sense either way, since it was working just fine yesterday
2023-08-13 12:22:34	demonicmaniac1	oh i missed that part
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2023-08-13 12:58:04	amosbird	Hello! Why do I get this error in dmesg about amdgpu in a fresh installed arch? http://oracle.wentropy.com/78713aee851e853a  Do I need to install more packages?
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2023-08-13 13:01:37	novns	amosbird, did you install linux-firmware?
2023-08-13 13:02:02	amosbird	yes I did
2023-08-13 13:02:12	amosbird	linux-firmware 20230804.7be2766d-2
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2023-08-14 20:19:16	Namarrgon	gdamjan: the journal just ends abruptly? enable magic sysrq and see if you can get any kind of trace out of it
2023-08-14 20:22:12	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Keyboard_shortcuts#Standard_shortcuts
2023-08-14 20:22:13	phrik	Title: Keyboard shortcuts - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-14 20:34:41	gdamjan	indeed it ends abruptly
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2023-08-14 23:04:32	hbxraptor	Hello. Good evening. I need help with creating a virtual audio stream combining my headphones and internal speakers. I was able to do this with pulse audio, but after switching to pipewire, I have not been able to do so.
2023-08-14 23:36:52	Feru	There is a GUI tool for pipewire, I forgot the name though. It's in the wiki.
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2023-08-14 23:59:56	hbxraptor	Feru: In qpwgraph, the playback device is named as 'Family 17h/19h HD Audio Controller Speaker + Headphones'.
2023-08-15 00:00:19	hbxraptor	Earlier using pulse audio, I was able to play from both of these simultaneously.
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2023-08-15 02:18:57	TheDcoder	Holy cow, why is my swap space full even though I have a lot of free RAM?
2023-08-15 02:20:14	BrainDamage	because swap is not more ram
2023-08-15 02:20:38	BrainDamage	when you run out of _buffer space_, then stuff gets put into swap
2023-08-15 02:22:05	BrainDamage	buffer space is io space that's normally not used, that's kept in ram just because holding it there is free, but rather than just deleting, when the leftover space is not used, with swap it gets moved there because it's in a format that's easy to fetch back
2023-08-15 02:25:37	rcf	TheDcoder: the question is whether the swap space being used is a problem, or merely an observation 
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2023-08-15 02:55:20	BrainDamage	you can reduce swappiness and it'll be more eager to discard data instead
2023-08-15 02:55:50	rcf	TheDcoder: which is why I ask if this is just an observation of seemingly-odd behavior, or an actual issue. 
2023-08-15 02:57:35	TheDcoder	ah okay
2023-08-15 02:58:45	rcf	TheDcoder: if you look at virtual vs resident sizes in memory you'll see that an absurd number of applications are allocating an order of magnitude more memory than they ever access even once. 
2023-08-15 02:59:00	TheDcoder	rcf: not sure, my system is powerful that I don't really notice any issues until they become real bad, and luckily the "swap" I have is zswap so it doesn't really matter because it's being written to RAM anyway. But if I had swap on my SSD or HDD, that sounds like a good way to reduce the life span.
2023-08-15 02:59:36	TheDcoder	sounds like bad program design to me
2023-08-15 02:59:40	mpan	It would be even better to say, that they allocate address space. The memory is often never commited.
2023-08-15 03:00:10	rcf	TheDcoder: In that case you're fine, this is actually the ideal pattern because zswap doesn't have much latency. Might as well make use of it. 
2023-08-15 03:00:12	TheDcoder	mpan: yes, but that's still bad design, why ask for magnitudes more memory when you don't use it?
2023-08-15 03:00:34	mpan	No, it is a very good program design. Address space is almost free — in particular on 64-bit platforms. And it allows for much more performant memory management and less memory wasted.
2023-08-15 03:00:51	TheDcoder	rcf: yeah but what if I want to add physical swap in the future? I don't want stuff to get written into disk unless it's an emergency
2023-08-15 03:01:07	rcf	I think that answers the question of whether you want to add physical swap in the future, though. 
2023-08-15 03:01:35	TheDcoder	I don't understand
2023-08-15 03:01:56	rcf	You probably shouldn't add physical swap. 
2023-08-15 03:02:07	TheDcoder	mpan: more performant memory management? how?
2023-08-15 03:02:24	TheDcoder	rcf: it's required if I want to hibernate
2023-08-15 03:02:43	BrainDamage	you can add the swap partition/file only when you're about to
2023-08-15 03:02:45	TheDcoder	or if I want to have a backup in case chrome decides to eat all of my memroy
2023-08-15 03:02:47	BrainDamage	instead of constantly on
2023-08-15 03:03:02	BrainDamage	you want to early kill chrome in that case, not swap
2023-08-15 03:03:12	mpan	TheDcoder: in short and simplifying a lot? Because it’s much easier to manage memory, if you do not need to care about restrictions of tight address space and dealing with memory fragmentation.
2023-08-15 03:03:14	TheDcoder	BrainDamage: Good idea... but that's still a work around... sounds like we need more finer control on swap.
2023-08-15 03:03:32	BrainDamage	I read instead that we should get finer control on hybernation
2023-08-15 03:03:33	rcf	TheDcoder: it's a workaround, but OOM is infamously poorly handled on Linux and always will be, most likely. Swap is not a way out. 
2023-08-15 03:03:35	mpan	TheDcoder: also, in emergency swap is the last thing you want.
2023-08-15 03:03:54	BrainDamage	if you're io trashing in low memory condition, only thing you'll get with swap is extra slowdown
2023-08-15 03:03:54	mpan	TheDcoder: it would bring your system to the knees, not save the situation.
2023-08-15 03:04:08	mpan	To the point at which often it is better to do hard reset.
2023-08-15 03:04:10	rcf	TheDcoder: by handling OOM early on in userspace you get orders of magnitude more usable uptime.... 
2023-08-15 03:04:26	BrainDamage	swap is approximately 1000x slower than the hw bandwith, measured on my ssd
2023-08-15 03:04:38	TheDcoder	BrainDamage: easier said than done, OOM is pretty crazy and it will kill things randomly, it will probably kill my shell and code editor before it goes for the hog
2023-08-15 03:04:42	mpan	… and not “a replacement RAM” either.
2023-08-15 03:04:49	rcf	TheDcoder: chances are it won't kill anything. 
2023-08-15 03:04:55	mpan	TheDcoder: absolutely not randomly. And you can adjust OOM score. In systemd it’s even easier.
2023-08-15 03:04:57	BrainDamage	it's often easier, more robust and just the right thing to do, to kill the program
2023-08-15 03:04:59	BrainDamage	that's why you want a userspace oom, not the kernel
2023-08-15 03:05:23	TheDcoder	mpan: oom score for programs? but who's got the time to configure all that? :P
2023-08-15 03:05:42	TheDcoder	also why not just have a simple option to target the most memory intensive program
2023-08-15 03:05:43	rcf	The kernel OOM system is less than useless. Best to pretend it isn't there. 
2023-08-15 03:05:58	TheDcoder	rcf: yeah exactly my point
2023-08-15 03:06:09	BrainDamage	TheDcoder: that's exactly what userspace oom killers do
2023-08-15 03:06:10	mpan	Well, if you have a service that is so important that it should stay alive on expense on some other in OOM condition, you can do it. I am answering to your statement about how OOM killer works. Not trying to determine, if you actually have any problem. :D
2023-08-15 03:06:18	rcf	Userland OOM tools are much different. Very configurable, and won't leave your system unresponsive 
2023-08-15 03:06:45	BrainDamage	and they can even handle shenanigans like modern browsers do that spawn hundred of sub-processes
2023-08-15 03:06:49	TheDcoder	anyway, getting back on topic
2023-08-15 03:06:53	mpan	TheDcoder: aside from “most memory intensive program” not being well defined, for some loose definition… this is what OOM does.
2023-08-15 03:06:58	mpan	OOM killer *
2023-08-15 03:07:44	TheDcoder	mpan: I don't care about the slowdown, I just don't want to lose my unsaved changes, that's why swap is better
2023-08-15 03:07:57	BrainDamage	fwiw, all configuration I did for my oom killer was this dumb whitelist of process names: init|systemd|Xorg|sshd|qemu|tincd|ibus-daemon|proton)
2023-08-15 03:07:57	rcf	I wouldn't say that, even. 
2023-08-15 03:08:09	mpan	TheDcoder: the slowdown is often so high, that you must do a hard reset and lose everything anyway. Everything, not just data from a single program, and leave your files damaged too.
2023-08-15 03:08:45	rcf	TheDcoder: the number of times my laptop battery was outlasted by the OOM killer was getting pretty absurd before I switched to a userland solution. 
2023-08-15 03:08:48	rcf	Swap or no swap. 
2023-08-15 03:08:50	BrainDamage	I measured 10-15 min of oom-to-shell and extra 25 of past-kill-to-usable machine
2023-08-15 03:09:08	mpan	Same ↑
2023-08-15 03:09:36	TheDcoder	mpan: even if I put swap on the SSD? and doesn't the kernel reserve some memory for root? What's preventing me from switching to a different TTY and then manually assassinating a hog?
2023-08-15 03:09:57	rcf	TheDcoder: the kernel handles OOM very, very poorly. 
2023-08-15 03:10:01	BrainDamage	TheDcoder: the fact that even just switching to a tty will take 10 min when you're swapping
2023-08-15 03:10:11	BrainDamage	I am not being hyperbolic, literal 10 min
2023-08-15 03:10:19	rcf	Switching TTY is not going to happen under a proper OOM. 
2023-08-15 03:10:50	mpan	TheDcoder: yes, because it’s not a simple write either. It’s thrashing. It’s basically a constant read/write loop with extremely small random accesses.
2023-08-15 03:10:58	BrainDamage	and after you've killed it, the system will remain in a unresponsive state for even longer because it'll have to swap back all the memory
2023-08-15 03:11:09	BrainDamage	s/all/most/
2023-08-15 03:11:44	BrainDamage	because that was actually useful working memory that got thrown out
2023-08-15 03:12:00	TheDcoder	shouldn't happen if the kernel has reserved memory for root... anyway, I wonder why no one has fixed this yet, sounds like such a simple fix that even I can probably do it :P
2023-08-15 03:12:01	BrainDamage	and again, measured 1000x slowdown of swap code vs the drive's fs bulk transfer
2023-08-15 03:12:08	mpan	TheDcoder: if that was only about dumping RAM to swap, it would probably be faster. But the condition, that leads to the OOM condition, is usually that one process tries to allocate more and more memory, while everything else in the system tries to compete hard to read the data back.
2023-08-15 03:12:21	rcf	TheDcoder: the kernel doesn't reserve memory for root. Or anything, really. 
2023-08-15 03:12:44	rcf	If it were an easy fix, I assure you it would have been fixed by now. There are have many many lkml discussions on the matter. 
2023-08-15 03:12:51	rcf	None have led to much of anything. 
2023-08-15 03:13:00	mpan	TheDcoder: it even can’t do that in literal sense, because this is not how memory management works. Memory is not really owned by a single user.
2023-08-15 03:13:06	mpan	It may happen to be, but often is not.
2023-08-15 03:13:41	BrainDamage	oh and remember that your shell and tooling is all userspace, even with those that say BuTTHeTTyisKERNeL, you still have plenty of things out of that scope
2023-08-15 03:13:46	TheDcoder	mpan: why not? just reserve some portion of the RAM for root processes
2023-08-15 03:14:05	mpan	Note that actually Windows did something of this king in the past. Having separation between code pages and all other pages. Microsoft resigned from this solution, because it simply did not work either.
2023-08-15 03:14:09	TheDcoder	BrainDamage: yes exactly why I want reserved root memory space
2023-08-15 03:14:43	mpan	of this kind *
2023-08-15 03:15:06	BrainDamage	TheDcoder: well, you'd need a way to also decide how 'switch to a tty' should also be a priority computation over everything else during the trashing
2023-08-15 03:15:09	mpan	Also why reserve for root, if almost no important service runs as root?
2023-08-15 03:15:14	BrainDamage	because even just that part again, takes 10 min
2023-08-15 03:15:38	rcf	TheDcoder: you can get that sort of reserved space... with userland tools. The kernel isn't very helpful in that regard. 
2023-08-15 03:15:48	BrainDamage	and switching to a tty involves a multitude of userspace programs cooperating
2023-08-15 03:15:49	mpan	Sure… you will get “stable” root shell in the end. What for, if the rest of your system died?
2023-08-15 03:16:01	TheDcoder	mpan: same reason as why some portion of EXT4 fs is reserved for root, when the shit hits the fan we need wiggle room to fix it
2023-08-15 03:16:12	mpan	TheDcoder: this is not the same situation.
2023-08-15 03:16:25	TheDcoder	BrainDamage: I'd rather wait 10 minutes than the other alternative... resetting the system.
2023-08-15 03:16:53	mpan	TheDcoder: I mean… if you want memory reserved to see a nice log error telling you that your system died… sure, go for it. Anything else?
2023-08-15 03:17:02	BrainDamage	TheDcoder: that's only the time to tty, it takes few extra minutes for the kill, and another 30 for the machine recovery
2023-08-15 03:17:04	TheDcoder	mpan: ? why would the system die?
2023-08-15 03:17:09	mpan	…
2023-08-15 03:17:20	mpan	Because OOM killer killed it, because it was not “protected root memory”?
2023-08-15 03:17:48	mpan	You want to protect something, that is mostly irrelevant for system stability.
2023-08-15 03:17:52	TheDcoder	BrainDamage: why the extra minutes for kill? not like the root session is constrained with memory
2023-08-15 03:17:53	mpan	(or usefulness)
2023-08-15 03:18:22	BrainDamage	TheDcoder: because the kernel is in a disaster situation with many things requesting priority
2023-08-15 03:18:27	TheDcoder	mpan: so OOM killer would start killing even though there is plenty of swap space?
2023-08-15 03:18:45	rcf	It tends to start killing only after there is literally no other choice. 
2023-08-15 03:18:54	mpan	-.-
2023-08-15 03:18:55	TheDcoder	BrainDamage: lol, now you're just writing fiction :P
2023-08-15 03:19:06	mpan	TheDcoder: sorry, but I do not even see how this is related to anything that has been said.
2023-08-15 03:19:38	TheDcoder	mpan: you said OOM killer would've killed the important process, which I thought was not the case if there is enough swap space going around
2023-08-15 03:19:41	BrainDamage	TheDcoder: you don't have to take my word, just trigger the scenario, allocate memory with a simple loop and see how it goes
2023-08-15 03:19:43	mpan	…
2023-08-15 03:20:00	rcf	BrainDamage: but you have to dirty the pages as well. 
2023-08-15 03:20:05	mpan	TheDcoder: … yes, you said that. So I respond in the context of a situation you yourself described and what you yourself ask about.
2023-08-15 03:20:07	TheDcoder	BrainDamage: we don't have the reserved root memory space implemented yet
2023-08-15 03:20:08	BrainDamage	right
2023-08-15 03:20:40	rcf	By all means try to get it implemented, I suppose. 
2023-08-15 03:20:44	mpan	TheDcoder: and you do not need reserved root memory space, given that nothing important runs as root.
2023-08-15 03:20:50	rcf	You can't do much worse than what we have now. 
2023-08-15 03:21:29	rcf	But userland OOM management is already Good Enough™ for the vast majority of people, and will be even better for a significant portion of them. 
2023-08-15 03:21:48	TheDcoder	mpan: I think I'm getting my wires mixed up with regards to how swap works, hold up...
2023-08-15 03:22:06	BrainDamage	also, you're the one writing against userspace oom without even trying it
2023-08-15 03:22:18	TheDcoder	BrainDamage: when did I write against that?
2023-08-15 03:22:30	BrainDamage	your concerns that it'd kill something important
2023-08-15 03:22:34	TheDcoder	I was speculating on a different scenario where I would need swap
2023-08-15 03:22:58	TheDcoder	BrainDamage: I was speaking about the kernel OOM killer
2023-08-15 03:23:24	BrainDamage	the kernel oom killer is just garbage, it's not functional, it's mostly a gimmick
2023-08-15 03:23:26	mpan	Currently I have two processes running as root, whose death would be of any importance to system usability. It’s the journald and getty. If they were protected the only thing I gain is… being able to have the error message logged and being able to access a basically dead system.
2023-08-15 03:23:44	mpan	(And on some of my systems there is no getty)
2023-08-15 03:23:50	TheDcoder	BrainDamage: I think we have already established that fact pretty well... no one is contensting that.
2023-08-15 03:24:09	BrainDamage	the whole convo was about userspace oom killers
2023-08-15 03:24:25	TheDcoder	BrainDamage: no?
2023-08-15 03:24:34	TheDcoder	...did you get brain damage? :P
2023-08-15 03:24:49	mpan	I think it may be time for mpan to bail out.
2023-08-15 03:24:57	TheDcoder	mpan: see ya
2023-08-15 03:25:14	BrainDamage	no, it was you that misunderstood becase we all did use the words explicitly "userspace oom killer", if you misunderstood that, it's on you
2023-08-15 03:25:42	TheDcoder	BrainDamage: userspace killers were mentioned briefly and I shared some of my concerns, but after that I quickly went back to brainstorming a "fix" for the kernel
2023-08-15 03:26:40	TheDcoder	well I am sorry if I caused confusion but I was mostly worried about coming up a solution for the kernel
2023-08-15 03:27:01	TheDcoder	I understand the usefulness of userspace killers, never debated that
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2023-08-15 05:46:03	dviant	hello everyone, I have been using pdflatex to convert latex resume to pdf. It used to work a while back (about a year ago), but is now failing with '! LaTeX Error: File `article.cls' not found.'. I got the resume templates from https://www.rpi.edu/dept/arc/training/latex/resumes/. Anyone has any idea? 
2023-08-15 05:46:05	phrik	Title: Using the LaTeX Resume Templates (at www.rpi.edu)
2023-08-15 05:55:59	dviant	oh nvm, I needed to install texlive-latex and now it's working fine
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2023-08-15 07:55:44	nerdsrawesome12	I am missing bash_profile, do I create it and if so, would it have #!/bin/sh at the top of it?
2023-08-15 07:56:46	llua	if you want
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2023-08-15 08:04:49	rv1sr	nerdsrawesome12: You can safely omit that because it's loaded by bash itself on demand, not the other way around (or rather not called individually)
2023-08-15 08:27:15	nerdsrawesome12	That's good to know. I thought I was having issues with lightdm and so I swapped over to xinitrc and xserverrc. I couldn't figure out why the 20-nvidia-settings.conf that has Coolbits in it would always crash my session when I type startx as user. I had to move it out and add the Coolbit option into another config to get it to work and I am still trying to figure out why it would crash if I have
2023-08-15 08:27:15	nerdsrawesome12	two config files and one that has Section 
2023-08-15 08:27:15	nerdsrawesome12	"Device" along with Coolbits option in it. I believe I got one fan to work and not the other one even when it says [N/A], I can hear it after more clearer after I ran "nvidia-settings -a [gpu:0]/GPUFanControlState=1 -a [fan:0]/GPUTargetSpeed=50  which outputted "Attribute 'GPUFanControlState' (Archlinux:0[gpu:0]) assigned value 1" I have no idea if it is supposed to output more than just that? 
2023-08-15 08:27:15	nerdsrawesome12	And nvidia-xconfig can generate a xorg.conf 
2023-08-15 08:27:16	nerdsrawesome12	file that is completely broken for my system. 
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2023-08-15 09:43:21	megumin	how to create venv with python2.7?
2023-08-15 09:49:52	pulec	go back in time
2023-08-15 09:50:35	pulec	idk, should be python2 -m venv
2023-08-15 09:51:33	morteza24	`telnet gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com 25` returns "unable to connect". I think that my ISP is blocking port 25 outbound. How can I make sure that it's actually the ISP and not my own system blocking the connection? `nft list ruleset` returns nothing and I don't have ufw, iptables, etc. installed. Is there anything else that I should check?
2023-08-15 09:52:03	pulec	still exist, heh 
2023-08-15 09:52:14	morteza24	I can recieve emails but I can't send emails
2023-08-15 09:52:30	pulec	morteza24: try another device, android phone with termux perhaps?
2023-08-15 09:52:56	morteza24	thanks, I'll try
2023-08-15 09:57:33	mkoskar	morteza24: are you seriously expecting gmail to have standard plain smtp at 25 open?
2023-08-15 09:58:13	another|	Thatcher kinda
2023-08-15 09:58:22	another|	How it works
2023-08-15 09:58:37	another|	Damned autocorrect
2023-08-15 09:59:21	morteza24	mkoskar hmmm idk I saw this in a tutorial. what smtp server has standard plain smtp that I should be able to telnet to?
2023-08-15 10:05:02	Ennea	morteza24, smtp.gmx.de certainly works
2023-08-15 10:05:13	Ennea	so give that a try
2023-08-15 10:06:22	morteza24	thank you so much 
2023-08-15 10:15:54	rv1sr	morteza24: mkoskar: Sure, how else would you expect them to accept incoming mails? https://0x0.st/HLXE.txt
2023-08-15 10:38:21	mkoskar	rv1sr: well fair enough, I suppose they can always require starttls or just throw away whatever you submit ┐(ツ)┌
2023-08-15 10:39:01	mkoskar	as to how else? on 587
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2023-08-15 10:59:04	teraflops	port 25 is what mail servers use to talk to each other, it is also used for relay. I bet your ISP blocks it
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2023-08-15 11:01:16	rv1sr	25 is smtp, 587/465 is submission (for you "the customer" to submit mails)
2023-08-15 11:01:55	rv1sr	mostly authenticated
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2023-08-15 11:22:52	bf_	Does anybody remember the tool where you can easily create webhooks on your linux server which then execute commands? It was something weird like magic/awesome/super etc.
2023-08-15 11:23:24	bf_	A kind soul on this channel recommended it to me some weeks ago
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2023-08-15 11:31:01	bf_	<MrElendig> bf_: wish
2023-08-15 11:31:39	bf_	https://github.com/charmbracelet/wish
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2023-08-15 11:35:55	low-key	Booting into my laptop which has been running Arch along with Windows for a couple of years now and upon selecting Arch to boot into at refind, it says Error: Not found while loading vmlinuz-linux
2023-08-15 11:36:31	low-key	I was using Arch on this earlier this morning, ran a system upgrade and powered it off. Came back to it now and this is what it's saying.
2023-08-15 11:36:46	Namarrgon	were there any errors during the -Syu?
2023-08-15 11:36:53	low-key	Nothing at all
2023-08-15 11:36:55	Namarrgon	especially from the hooks?
2023-08-15 11:37:52	low-key	How can I proceed from here? 
2023-08-15 11:38:10	Namarrgon	unless you have another working kernel/entry you have to boot the iso
2023-08-15 11:38:32	low-key	Ah, I'll get to that then
2023-08-15 11:38:54	low-key	What would I be trying to do after booting the ISO though?
2023-08-15 11:39:05	Namarrgon	find the kernel, look at pacman's log
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2023-08-15 11:53:50	gromit	bf_: also I recommended https://github.com/adnanh/webhook at some point 
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2023-08-15 11:58:33	low-key	There's a vmlinuz-linux at /boot
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2023-08-15 12:05:28	Namarrgon	low-key: the matching initramfs too?
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2023-08-15 12:06:52	low-key	pacman logs seem fine too
2023-08-15 12:07:06	low-key	all hooks show running and no errors 
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2023-08-15 12:08:13	low-key	I'm not sure how to check if it is matching but there's a initramfa-linux.img, yes
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2023-08-15 12:09:45	cloudowind	i have intel-ucode.img there as well , i installed it as it was recomending on the guide but no idea what it is doing at /boot
2023-08-15 12:10:06	low-key	i do too!
2023-08-15 12:10:13	gromit	low-key: you can use "file -bL /boot/vmlinuz-linux" to check for which kernel the image was built ;) 
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2023-08-15 12:11:50	low-key	um, file -bL vmlinuz-linux gives ERROR: cannot read `vmlinuz-linuz` (Input/output error)
2023-08-15 12:12:09	low-key	is this because I'm in a live USB or does this mean the image is corrupted?
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2023-08-17 20:57:45	tyler82	Ungoogled chromium  does not work on arch anymore? 🙄🧐 Also the bin version marked outdated on yesterday.... Not maintained anymore? 🤔
2023-08-17 20:58:12	Mathisen	ehhh actualy i thnk i just realized what is happening i removed my swapfile and had totaly forgot to make anew one and set swap. so if my memory ran over this would happen right ??
2023-08-17 20:59:01	Namarrgon	tyler82: arch sucks
2023-08-17 20:59:15	tyler82	Namarrgon: hehe
2023-08-17 20:59:39	NetSysFire	!ass
2023-08-17 20:59:40	phrik	Arch *Strategically* Sucks™
2023-08-17 21:00:22	tyler82	There is no perfect distro. all has got some disadvantage....
2023-08-17 21:00:32	NetSysFire	no, arch really sucks
2023-08-17 21:00:36	susi	Mathisen: probably yeah... though it should resolve itself in some time
2023-08-17 21:01:36	Mathisen	well im playing around with image generation and stable diffusion so it is using a lot of memory
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2023-08-17 21:07:14	susi	take a look into zram too :)
2023-08-17 21:07:39	susi	dunno if it's really any good with operations like those
2023-08-17 21:12:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-08-17 21:16:11	tyler82	i will try devuan now. 😑🤕
2023-08-17 21:17:09	tyler82	anybody using ly display manager with sway? 🧐
2023-08-17 21:17:14	Mathisen	susi, that looks intressting will read and test
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2023-08-17 21:28:48	susi	Mathisen: just remember to disable zswap :-) and one can make miracles by altering some vm.* sysctl values to their needs
2023-08-17 21:30:41	Mathisen	hmm zswap ? im not a master on swap things. is that used by default on arch or is that an 3.rd alternative
2023-08-17 21:31:54	susi	I guess it's employed by default
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2023-08-17 21:40:00	Mathisen	ok. so zram looks cool. can anyone else vouche for it ? will it make my system "more unstable" in anyway or is actualy a better choice
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2023-08-17 21:45:21	MrElendig	Mathisen: building large stuff from aur? if so, do it in a cgroup with memory limits set
2023-08-17 21:45:37	MrElendig	that way its slightly less likely that the whole system will croak
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2023-08-17 21:55:03	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-08-17 21:56:39	Mathisen	from a quick look a the wiki it looks a bit overwhelming for me to understand everything about it
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2023-08-17 21:56:59	Mathisen	i get the basics, but im not really sure i would set it up right for my usecase
2023-08-17 21:57:24	MrElendig	man 7 cgroups
2023-08-17 21:57:58	MrElendig	arguably easiest way to use them is systemd-run
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2023-08-17 21:59:00	Mathisen	"No manual entry for cgroups in section 7"
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2023-08-17 22:01:47	MrElendig	/usr/share/man/man7/cgroups.7.gz is owned by man-pages 6.05.01-1
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2023-08-17 22:04:19	Mathisen	thanks
2023-08-17 22:04:37	Mathisen	did not have man-pages installed only man-db
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2023-08-18 06:49:46	grawity	WFM
2023-08-18 06:57:31	Hunker	Thanks grawity 
2023-08-18 06:58:17	Hunker	You are a true patient angel in the best non christian sence
2023-08-18 09:10:56	manuels	can somebody recommend a good mobile machine to run linux? meanwhile I am used to the convenience of a macbook (trackpad, keyboard, retina), which i dont want to miss. 
2023-08-18 09:11:17	Khorne	No
2023-08-18 09:11:26	Khorne	They all suck
2023-08-18 09:11:28	manuels	is there a vendor which specifically targets making linux a breeze on mobile machines?
2023-08-18 09:11:31	Khorne	No
2023-08-18 09:11:34	manuels	Khorne really?
2023-08-18 09:11:36	Khorne	Yes
2023-08-18 09:11:37	manuels	why?
2023-08-18 09:11:44	Khorne	Shit battery, shit hardware support
2023-08-18 09:12:02	NetSysFire	!give manuels aw laptop
2023-08-18 09:12:03	phrik	manuels: Laptop - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Laptop
2023-08-18 09:12:12	Khorne	Lenovo and Framework are tolerable, System76 makes an effort
2023-08-18 09:12:15	Khorne	They still all suck
2023-08-18 09:12:22	NetSysFire	dell also somewhat works
2023-08-18 09:12:40	NetSysFire	my latitude 3500 would be so great if it had less cheap plastics breaking on me
2023-08-18 09:12:47	Khorne	If you're used to nice 14h of Apple silicone battery, expect like 6 with moderate usage on linux
2023-08-18 09:13:09	Khorne	If you are used to high precision touchpads, don't get linux on a laptop
2023-08-18 09:13:19	Khorne	HiDPI is fine with wayland at least
2023-08-18 09:13:33	Khorne	Generally, if you don't run nvidia hybrid gpus
2023-08-18 09:13:35	Khorne	Those also suck
2023-08-18 09:14:13	Khorne	Keyboards on Lenovo/Framework are also fine
2023-08-18 09:14:23	manuels	oh shit :D 6h lol
2023-08-18 09:14:29	NetSysFire	welcome to linux
2023-08-18 09:14:33	NetSysFire	6h is optimistic even
2023-08-18 09:15:00	manuels	well yes i am used to sit days in the green without power plug as well 
2023-08-18 09:15:56	manuels	oh wow, didnt expect to get my dreams broken that fast :D
2023-08-18 09:16:29	chromas	efficient disappointment
2023-08-18 09:17:15	NetSysFire	if you have expertise and time to spare, you can help making run linux better on laptops
2023-08-18 09:17:22	Khorne	^
2023-08-18 09:17:30	Khorne	I mean, I still run my work and private laptops on Arch
2023-08-18 09:17:37	NetSysFire	goes from the intricate kernel hacking to documenting what you have and how you made it work
2023-08-18 09:17:37	Khorne	But I'm fine with the drawbacks
2023-08-18 09:17:42	NetSysFire	same
2023-08-18 09:18:08	Khorne	I also don't see a point to be anything but realistic about the experience for most people
2023-08-18 09:18:19	NetSysFire	for example, i discovered and documented that my laptop provides two power buttons, one virtual, and the firmware presses said virtual button when the battery runs out
2023-08-18 09:18:52	manuels	sure desktops are fine. but i hate to be locked into rooms while there's summer in the garden
2023-08-18 09:19:09	NetSysFire	welcome to the world of us basement bois
2023-08-18 09:19:11	chromas	is battery worse on linux than windows? or is short battery more of an x86/PC thing?
2023-08-18 09:19:14	manuels	:D
2023-08-18 09:19:18	NetSysFire	chromas: yes
2023-08-18 09:19:29	NetSysFire	we lack many optimizations and the people who know how to optimize for this
2023-08-18 09:20:33	⚡ 	NetSysFire gets manuels an extended power cord
2023-08-18 09:20:55	chromas	Get yourself a wheeled cart and roll your desktop out there :D
2023-08-18 09:21:09	Khorne	Powercords..at least I can put a USB C Powerbank to mine :')
2023-08-18 09:21:25	manuels	or these new powerstations may be an option
2023-08-18 09:21:39	gehidore	wish my laptop did USB c
2023-08-18 09:21:51	manuels	but then again this is like 1990's cellphones of the size of a power plant
2023-08-18 09:22:25	NetSysFire	gehidore: i have a singular usb c port
2023-08-18 09:22:41	Khorne	gehidore, not buying anything without Thunderbolt/USB4 anymore
2023-08-18 09:22:41	manuels	is there a list of the optimizations we lack?
2023-08-18 09:23:08	manuels	i mean is there a starting point to ealily get started if i wanted to ?
2023-08-18 09:23:19	Khorne	A hotline to all of the manufacturers to deal with the hardware quirks?
2023-08-18 09:23:35	manuels	mhm…
2023-08-18 09:23:36	NetSysFire	yeah its complex
2023-08-18 09:23:46	NetSysFire	one easy-ish thing to get started on is fiddling with powertop
2023-08-18 09:25:55	manuels	i remember I once tried to have a home linux server competitive to windows machines condering idle power draw. messed around with powertop and cstates etc. impossible.
2023-08-18 09:26:22	NetSysFire	i am not too well versed in all this but afaik one big part is that linux doesnt use powersaving of specific hardware components
2023-08-18 09:26:30	NetSysFire	but for servers? first time i hear of it
2023-08-18 09:28:32	NetSysFire	though actually i wouldnt be too surprised either. very complex stuff and we need more experts on that matter
2023-08-18 09:47:26	jl2	Hi, star conflict won't launch anymore due to a missing libcrypto.so-1.0.0
2023-08-18 09:48:03	jl2	it's a 32-bit game
2023-08-18 09:49:07	grawity	was it installed as a package, or from steam, or manually?
2023-08-18 09:49:07	jl2	i found lib32-openssl-1.0-hardened but it's outdated and won't compile
2023-08-18 09:49:21	jl2	right. steam
2023-08-18 09:49:38	grawity	shouldn't steam runtime be providing that then?...
2023-08-18 09:50:03	jl2	dunno. how can i check?
2023-08-18 09:50:55	grawity	are you using steam or steam-native?
2023-08-18 09:51:06	grawity	anyway take the best parts of aur/openssl-1.0 and the 32-bit parts of aur/lib32-openssl-1.0-hardened to make yourself a lib32-openssl-1.0
2023-08-18 09:54:37	grawity	https://paste.rs/RUwNN might work
2023-08-18 09:54:57	grawity	but if it's not steam-native, I'd *really* expect steam itself to come with everything necessary
2023-08-18 09:55:11	jl2	it's steam native
2023-08-18 09:55:23	HumanLove	How to install every fonts of ttf?
2023-08-18 09:55:23	grawity	use steam not native then
2023-08-18 09:55:47	HumanLove	i forgot the command, i was like sudo pacman -S $(pacman -S etc)
2023-08-18 09:57:55	jl2	it works in steam-runtime (forgot to exit steam on my first try :) )
2023-08-18 10:03:22	jl2	and since your build failed (thx) i'll stay with it
2023-08-18 10:36:27	switchnode	`time (seq 100)`: real 0m0.004s, user 0m0.000s, sys 0m0.004s
2023-08-18 10:36:34	switchnode	`time (seq 100 | sed '')`: real 0m2.846s, user 0m0.005s, sys 0m0.002s
2023-08-18 10:36:39	switchnode	this just started happening today (and sed is the only thing i've noticed being slow). what on earth?
2023-08-18 10:41:51	switchnode	ugh, never mind. the pwd was within an sshfs which i'd lost connection with and had to remount. not quite sure why that didn't affect other commands, though
2023-08-18 10:45:59	joel135	i'm having some problem setting the correct keyboard layout
2023-08-18 10:46:26	joel135	current workaround is to have this bash alias swe='setxkbmap -layout se'
2023-08-18 10:46:41	joel135	i have to do it now and then
2023-08-18 10:47:02	joel135	i thought for a while i had made the correct settings and it was fixed by apparently not
2023-08-18 10:49:22	joel135	trying `sudo localectl set-x11-keymap se` again now. it did create a config file which wasn't there before. maybe it was removed somehow.
2023-08-18 10:49:49	joel135	(/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.con that is)
2023-08-18 10:49:55	joel135	conf*
2023-08-18 10:51:13	bf_	I have trouble starting archiso with qemu. It's like reported in this old thread: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=204023 no output after "Loading boot/x86_64/archiso.img ...OK"
2023-08-18 10:51:13	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] How to get QEMU to start the the Archlinux ISO properly? / Installation / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-08-18 10:51:32	bf_	running qemu-system-x86_64 -nographic -cdrom archlinux-2023.08.01-x86_64.iso -drive file=qemu.hdd,format=qcow2 -boot order=d -m 2G -enable-kvm
2023-08-18 10:53:08	bf_	the blue archiso menu appears fine, then afters election to boot, the "loading ... OK" part apperas and then it turns to a blank screen
2023-08-18 10:54:49	chromas	in the post, the parameter "nographics" has an s
2023-08-18 10:54:55	chromas	Would that help?
2023-08-18 10:55:16	bf_	chromas: thanks for suggestion, qemu-system-x86_64: -nographics: invalid option :)
2023-08-18 10:55:23	chromas	ah
2023-08-18 10:55:39	chromas	They were using a different command, but I thought I'd check
2023-08-18 10:55:41	bf_	the archiso menu renders just fine over ssh on the console, i can use keyboard to select the entry
2023-08-18 10:56:00	bf_	chromas: it's always somewhere in the details :)
2023-08-18 10:56:37	thurstylark	hrm, seeing the same behavior here, not sure why...
2023-08-18 10:57:50	bf_	dang, now I tried to switch to serial with alt+2 but now I cant leave qemu with alt+a+x any more
2023-08-18 10:58:29	bf_	*ctrl+a+x for leaving qemu, just killed it
2023-08-18 11:04:10	susi	works for me, just -nographic -m 1300 ... though I also added console=ttyS0 on cmdline
2023-08-18 11:04:34	bf_	susi: how did you add in cmdline? i didnt find a way to edit cmdline in the archiso boot menu
2023-08-18 11:04:44	susi	by pressing tab in the boot menu
2023-08-18 11:04:48	bf_	oh the red text
2023-08-18 11:04:54	bf_	saying "press tab to edit boot menu"
2023-08-18 11:05:04	bf_	wow it looks like an advertisement and my brain ignores it
2023-08-18 11:05:07	bf_	thank you susi!
2023-08-18 11:05:37	susi	https://0x0.st/HL_d.png
2023-08-18 11:06:45	bf_	nice, console=ttySZero now it also works for me
2023-08-18 11:07:10	thurstylark	"ttySZero" actually works?
2023-08-18 11:07:12	bf_	what is the colorful strip in the greeting message?
2023-08-18 11:07:16	thurstylark	that's strange...
2023-08-18 11:07:20	bf_	thurstylark: nono, just a proper zero 
2023-08-18 11:07:22	susi	it's just a colorful strip
2023-08-18 11:07:38	thurstylark	it's an easter egg code :P
2023-08-18 11:07:39	susi	I've read the commit message, but it was just for the lulz iirc
2023-08-18 11:07:40	bf_	I thought nice they add the climate change stripes but :D
2023-08-18 11:08:24	bf_	out of lulz they removed my wifi-setup and now theres iwctl :D
2023-08-18 11:10:15	bf_	interesting the pos1 and end keys dont work in the archiso shell within qemu
2023-08-18 11:14:38	bf_	was is the name of the partitioning tool that can be run on command line but has a GUI?
2023-08-18 11:14:58	susi	maybe sfdisk?
2023-08-18 11:14:59	bf_	cgdisk
2023-08-18 11:15:32	bf_	I was confused that cgdisk prompts for the disk first and only then switches to the "gui"
2023-08-18 11:15:48	susi	CUI - Curses UI :)
2023-08-18 11:16:23	susi	yeah, cgdisk was what I meant, definitely not sfdisk
2023-08-18 11:16:23	bf_	:)
2023-08-18 11:16:26	thurstylark	I'm partial to the TUI moniker
2023-08-18 11:16:48	bf_	I'm maybe more stupid than the default user, but https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide section 1.9 partitioning disks is confusing me
2023-08-18 11:16:49	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-18 11:17:11	bf_	it'd be great if there is a list of commands at least for the example layout
2023-08-18 11:17:38	bf_	like when you go to other software documentation pages, where you have tabs and can choose your programming language and then they show the commands in that language
2023-08-18 11:18:16	bf_	1.9.1 says partition type but most tools ask for the type code
2023-08-18 11:18:27	bf_	not sure if wiki has this option
2023-08-18 11:19:11	thurstylark	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GPT_fdisk#Partition_type
2023-08-18 11:19:12	phrik	Title: GPT fdisk - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-18 11:19:48	susi	what kind of examples they'd give, something like "n\np\n1\n+1M\nw" or what do you mean
2023-08-18 11:19:53	bf_	thanks thurstylark, I followed the link in installation guide to https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Partitioning#Example_layouts and its too much iunformation
2023-08-18 11:19:54	phrik	Title: Partitioning - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-18 11:20:12	bf_	susi: for cgdisk maybe some screenshots
2023-08-18 11:20:28	susi	>screenshots >(arch) wiki
2023-08-18 11:20:31	bf_	at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GPT_fdisk#Partition_type they have the codes at least
2023-08-18 11:20:33	phrik	Title: GPT fdisk - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-18 11:20:58	thurstylark	I mean, it's a wiki, not a tutorial video :P
2023-08-18 11:21:02	bf_	:)
2023-08-18 11:21:31	thurstylark	there's a certian expectation for the user to be able to navigate and parse documentation
2023-08-18 11:21:56	thurstylark	it's not a requirement for that to be natural for everyone, but it's a skill that you should definitely learn and practice
2023-08-18 11:34:07	bf_	trust me, I'm practicing it :)
2023-08-18 11:37:57	onla	Hey I booted up old arch linux. It has 2.6G free disk space on its / Then pacman -Syu says about the upcoming update: Total download size 2600M and total installed size 8790M. If I clear some 500M space so that I have 3000M space will this update work, or do I need the amount it states for "installed size, which is almost 9G?
2023-08-18 11:39:03	bf_	onla: the installed size is relevant
2023-08-18 11:39:19	Namarrgon	you need enough space for the "download size" and the "net upgrade size"
2023-08-18 11:39:33	bf_	try to selectively update the important parts and find a way to extend your disk space to later install the large packages
2023-08-18 11:39:55	onla	net upgrade size is under 400M. 
2023-08-18 11:40:09	Namarrgon	and then a buffer for all the stuff the hooks will take up
2023-08-18 11:41:15	onla	No information about those buffers, but would around 3100M be enough if download sizve 2600M and net upgrade size 400M I wonder. For selectively upgrading packages I heard something earlier that it may break things if I update something where something else is required to be updated first?
2023-08-18 11:41:17	bf_	Do I need to install amd-ucode for an qemu guest if the host is already running adm-ucode?
2023-08-18 11:41:45	Namarrgon	bf_: no, you won't be able to upload the ucode from the vm
2023-08-18 11:41:58	bf_	onla: it really depends on the packages you are upgrading. if a postgresql upgrade is within these packages, it will expect you to copy the whole database to a new location, which easily eats up your remaining free space even though pacman update went through
2023-08-18 11:42:03	bf_	Namarrgon: thanks
2023-08-18 11:42:10	Namarrgon	onla: partial upgrades will break your system
2023-08-18 11:42:19	Namarrgon	have you cleaned up the pacman cache already?
2023-08-18 11:44:13	bf_	Which bootloader would you recommend if I run a qemu archlinux guest?
2023-08-18 11:44:28	onla	yeah cleaned with paccache -rk 1. Little paranoid to remove everything if I do upgrade after 2 years of not using and it wouldn't work. I tried now pacman -Rns go, but it says that go is required by "multibase". pacman -Ss multibase finds nothing. I thought I installed "go" manually and it's not really system dependend
2023-08-18 11:44:36	bf_	I see in qemu docs there is a qemu/xen bootloader but it seems to be limited to arm
2023-08-18 11:45:41	onla	the /usr/lib/go takes 631M and I don't think I need it for anything that I know of
2023-08-18 11:52:44	bf_	onla: golang is most likely a dependency to something, I wouldnt mess with it
2023-08-18 11:53:44	bf_	onla: I strongly suggest you find a way to increase overall disk size. Even if you get pacman update to work, it's not guaranteed there's enough space for manual update steps (postgres etc..), and even after all that struggle you'll be left with only a bunch of megabytes which might be eaten up by logs or any other unforeseen stuff, not to speak of future updates
2023-08-18 11:53:59	bf_	just try to get a bigger disk before system is messed up
2023-08-18 11:54:52	susi	I have had to partially -Syu for the longest time because of space constraints
2023-08-18 11:55:15	susi	it's no problem in itself, if one ""knows"" what they are doing, and the end result will be full-Syu anyways
2023-08-18 11:55:39	onla	This is a computer for just at cottage use very seldom, maybe I even leave it to be and not upgrade and take security risk
2023-08-18 11:55:42	bf_	disks are like 12$ per terabyte :)
2023-08-18 11:55:48	susi	(or more like, full-Su)
2023-08-18 11:56:10	susi	onla: no, please upgrade it... the problems will only get worse
2023-08-18 11:56:40	susi	onla: you could `journalctl --vacuum-size=100M' and `yes | sudo pacman -Scc' before that
2023-08-18 11:56:48	susi	onla: that should considerably relief some space
2023-08-18 12:02:24	susi	my -Syu has failed multiple times because of unmet space conditions, but I can't remember what kind of issues it could cause, if any
2023-08-18 12:03:32	astralc	it can cause problem with mkinitcpio, maybe also with dkms
2023-08-18 12:03:44	astralc	which not part of 'check free space'
2023-08-18 12:10:21	Murray7501	a good 8TB drive is like $280 here :p $12 pr tb yeah right
2023-08-18 12:11:20	susi	right now I'm in a better place than for many years - 2.5Gi free on / and 2.7 on ~
2023-08-18 12:11:32	susi	feels like there's no worry in a world
2023-08-18 12:11:34	bf_	Murray7501: https://geizhals.de/?cat=hde7s&sort=p#productlist
2023-08-18 12:11:34	phrik	Title: Festplatten & SSDs Hard Disk Drives (HDD) Preisvergleich Geizhals Deutschland (at geizhals.de)
2023-08-18 12:11:37	bf_	9€ per tb
2023-08-18 12:11:53	bf_	it's small shitty disk but argument holds haha
2023-08-18 12:12:28	Murray7501	waste of money :)
2023-08-18 12:12:53	bf_	there are also good deals discussed on r/datahoarder or r/homelab 
2023-08-18 12:13:57	susi	I only have laptops, and this newest addition (ie my main computer nowadays) does not even have a space for an 'external' HDD
2023-08-18 12:14:44	susi	but before this, I was limited by 32 G eMMC (of which only 19 G were really available (part of the Linux VG)) -- now I at least have some more
2023-08-18 12:15:16	susi	though, for whatever reasons, now that I have 128 G eMMC, nothing has changed - I'm not sure yet why 
2023-08-18 12:15:30	another|	bf_: not sure where you get that number from. The cheapest I can see is 14,45 €/TB
2023-08-18 12:16:15	another|	https://geizhals.de/?cat=hde7s&sort=r#productlist
2023-08-18 12:16:15	phrik	Title: Festplatten & SSDs Hard Disk Drives (HDD) Preisvergleich Geizhals Deutschland (at geizhals.de)
2023-08-18 12:17:07	bf_	another|: you're totally correct. I misread the number. https://i.imgur.com/0v42QAp.png for 20TB disk
2023-08-18 12:18:04	onla	susi: ok, I wrote that down. I started -Syu where I had 3.9G space, -Syu requires 2.1G download size and 7G install size and 300M net upgrade size so I guess this will go through without a problem. This will take a while with slow internet connection here at a cottage place. I wonder if I can ctrl-C while it's downloading and when I do -Syu again, it has some of the packages downloaded in the
2023-08-18 12:18:06	onla	cache and it won't take so long
2023-08-18 12:18:38	another|	yes, you can
2023-08-18 12:18:52	onla	ok thanks
2023-08-18 12:19:08	susi	there's also -w/--downloadonly
2023-08-18 12:19:29	susi	(to use with -S/-U)
2023-08-18 12:28:12	onla	after -Syu has gone through the download phase, can I cut off the internet and leave it updating while it's offline and all should go well?
2023-08-18 12:28:34	onla	It seems it first downloads packages, and then it may not need internet anymore?
2023-08-18 12:29:04	Namarrgon	right, it doesn't doesn't need a network connection after the download is finished
2023-08-18 12:29:16	Namarrgon	unless you have hooks that do weird network stuff
2023-08-18 12:29:32	Murray7501	hmmm, maybe :)
2023-08-18 12:29:42	onla	ah, not sure about those. I guess they are not very common though
2023-08-18 12:59:50	onla	error: libldap: signature from "Frederik Schwan <frederik.schwan@linux.com>" is unknown trust
2023-08-18 13:00:07	onla	had a decent internet to already download all, but lot of errors with pgp
2023-08-18 13:01:13	onla	:: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/alsa-topology-conf-1.2.5.1-3-any.pkg.tar.zst is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)) Do you want to delete it? I have been answering "Y' to all these prompts
2023-08-18 13:01:46	NetSysFire	-Sy archlinux-keyring
2023-08-18 13:01:47	onla	and also "y" to unknown key, do you want to import it?
2023-08-18 13:02:05	onla	ah ok, I cancel this, do that and rerun this
2023-08-18 13:02:12	NetSysFire	yes
2023-08-18 13:13:17	onla	https://paste.mozilla.org/JiUCesWO didn't go too well. There are multiple questions about replacing and removing things in the begin
2023-08-18 13:13:19	phrik	Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/JiUCesWO (Plain Text) (at paste.mozilla.org)
2023-08-18 13:15:07	onla	 Replace hwids with core/hwdata? [Y/n] n  <-I try answer "y" here
2023-08-18 13:16:00	onla	this is a total mess. I wonder what are the odds that after this upgrade this system has some element not working that I want to use here at cottage
2023-08-18 13:20:27	onla	oh dear, after answering "y" to that hwids question, now it started upgrading, no turning back now :D
2023-08-18 13:21:08	onla	I hope my audio won't break and my usb dvb-t and wifi dongle keeps working and otherwise it boots to OS, then I survive
2023-08-18 13:29:56	susi	I guess hwdata's gonna *provide* this hwids
2023-08-18 13:30:10	susi	so there shouldn't be any trivial breakage
2023-08-18 13:37:21	onla	https://paste.mozilla.org/fby7Xsj0 grub upgrade mentioned this. I remember on another PC doing nothing after upgrading caused problems but this is a mini pc with hmm, nothing special I guess
2023-08-18 13:37:23	phrik	Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/fby7Xsj0 (Plain Text) (at paste.mozilla.org)
2023-08-18 13:39:14	onla	I guess that means that it didn't really install this to /etc/default/grub and nothing shouldn't break but I still should after this upgrade run grub-install and grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg which I don't like to do because every time I have been dealing with grub stuff it means trouble :)
2023-08-18 13:39:24	susi	onla: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Pacnew_and_Pacsave
2023-08-18 13:39:25	phrik	Title: pacman/Pacnew and Pacsave - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-18 13:41:55	bf_	why does ip a always show a column "peer address" which is always 0.0.0.0:* or the ipv6 equivalent?
2023-08-18 13:42:47	onla	aeeehh, I don't have time here to start learning new things I maybe should have not upgraded this afgter all. I have to do some other tasks here at cottage. I just quickly scanned that page and if I had to guess I would take a backup of /etc/default/grub and move /etc/default/grub.pacnew to /etc/default/grub then run grub-install and grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2023-08-18 13:43:56	Khorne	bf_, does it?
2023-08-18 13:44:21	onla	I do have intel idle max c state = 1 thing on my grub file which I should bring to the new one 
2023-08-18 13:44:24	bf_	Khorne: Sorry I mean "ss -lptn"
2023-08-18 13:46:22	onla	I think I just keep the old cus there's not really other differences and I need that one
2023-08-18 13:46:33	Khorne	bf_, because of -l
2023-08-18 13:46:57	Khorne	You're only asking for listening ports
2023-08-18 13:47:08	bf_	Khorne: ah it's just the remote host, ofc. But could be left empty if there is no remote host
2023-08-18 13:47:14	susi	onla: why are you running a rolling distro, if you don't have the time?
2023-08-18 13:47:19	bf_	I use ss -lptn so often I didnt even think about it
2023-08-18 13:47:20	Khorne	Then it wouldn't be a nice table
2023-08-18 13:47:25	susi	onla: anyway, there won't be anything meaningful in that grub.pacnew
2023-08-18 13:47:30	Khorne	Fuck knows :')
2023-08-18 13:47:44	susi	onla: what it wanted you to do, was something like `vimdiff /etc/default/grub*'
2023-08-18 13:48:22	susi	but I don't really see any reason using Arch if one can't even go through the pacnews once in a while - you already mentioned you do this process only rarely, if ever
2023-08-18 13:49:10	susi	there's likely other .pacnews to investigate about - especially pacman.conf.pacnew, if that's not already handled since a recent-ish update
2023-08-18 13:50:16	gromit	How can I easily clean up my custom repo so that it only contains the latest n version of the packages? 
2023-08-18 13:52:25	alad	paccache -ruk$n -c /home/custompkgs
2023-08-18 13:52:34	alad	might want to append -d first
2023-08-18 13:56:50	onla	yeah I should change distro. This is my old pc I used at home but when I got a new one I left the old one as is
2023-08-18 13:59:56	onla	Is it safe to try rebooting without running grub-install after this grub update cus it seems I might need to read about flags that I might need running that
2023-08-18 14:00:01	susi	nothing "Arch-based" will help you get rid of upgrading and minding the configs
2023-08-18 14:00:19	susi	onla: it's safe, but the grub on your disk won't get upgraded
2023-08-18 14:00:24	onla	ah
2023-08-18 14:13:59	gromit	alad: thanks! 
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2023-08-18 16:32:23	The_Loko	Hi, yesterday I noticed that right Alt stopped working on 2 computers. It's working on another. Now it's detected as "Level3 Shift". I have been comparing settings between the computers and I found that the only difference is the output of "setxkbmap print -query"
2023-08-18 16:33:37	The_Loko	On the computers that Alt is shown as "level3 shift" it shows: "rules: evdev model: pc105 layout:print". But in the computer that works fine its: rules: evdev model: pc105 layout:es"
2023-08-18 16:34:15	Hunker	Hi My user mary is part of the group maryedit. maryedit ought to give mary password less permission to start php82-fpm@.service with the mary config. But instead Mary are asked for password. Why?
2023-08-18 16:34:20	Hunker	Cmnd_Alias MARYSWEBSERVICES = /usr/bin/systemctl start caddy.service, /usr/bin/systemctl start php82-fpm@mary.service  \ %maryedit   ALL =(root) NOPASSWD:  MARYSWEBSERVICES
2023-08-18 16:34:34	The_Loko	What kind of layout is "print"? Tried changing it with "setxkbmap es", "setxkbmap us" and the layout seems to change but it's still shown as "print" and Alt doesn't work
2023-08-18 16:37:21	bf_	The_Loko: did you try loadkeys es
2023-08-18 16:38:17	susi	./27
2023-08-18 16:41:17	The_Loko	bf_: yes, same issue, layout still shown as "print"
2023-08-18 16:42:17	bf_	The_Loko: did you try loadkeys es immediatelly followed by showkey ?
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2023-08-18 16:45:59	The_Loko	bf_: yes, showkeys show the correct scancode for alt key (100)
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2023-08-18 16:46:58	bf_	not sure if I can help further
2023-08-18 16:47:04	bf_	seems to me like the locale is set in the wrong way
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2023-08-18 16:47:22	bf_	there is a locale/keymap for the system and then there is one for X server or wayland or whatever you are using
2023-08-18 16:47:44	bf_	maybe also check what packages differ between both systems
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2023-08-18 16:47:58	bf_	pacman -Q on both laptops and diff it
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2023-08-18 16:48:03	Tom^	The_Loko: have you rebooteed?
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2023-08-18 16:48:18	bf_	^ or as Tom^ says maybe some kernel update and a reboot is needed, right
2023-08-18 16:48:24	bf_	that might be the easy solution
2023-08-18 16:48:27	Tom^	The_Loko: -Syu depending on the package reloads udev rules and whatnot for some ungodly reason and it breaks all sorts of things
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2023-08-18 16:48:45	Tom^	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/77789
2023-08-18 16:48:46	phrik	Title: FS#77789 : [systemd] updating resets keyboard layout / udev reload (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-08-18 16:49:30	Tom^	i manually reverted that thing just because it breaks all sorts of pheripheral settings
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2023-08-18 16:50:18	Ennea	i just end up rebooting after every -Syu because of this :D
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2023-08-18 16:51:50	bf_	ugh
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2023-08-18 16:52:35	teraflops	on my virtual machines I get kicked to gdm login screen
2023-08-18 16:52:58	wikidasher	Hello
2023-08-18 16:53:05	wikidasher	setting up minidlna in my arch machine
2023-08-18 16:53:11	bf_	Can someone tell me what are pacman "make dependencies" used for? Because qemu-base installs mesa and that installs wayland it seems.
2023-08-18 16:53:14	wikidasher	i want to run it in my own user
2023-08-18 16:53:17	wikidasher	and the arch wiki says
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2023-08-18 16:53:31	wikidasher	to edit the minidlna.service file
2023-08-18 16:53:32	wikidasher	saying
2023-08-18 16:53:34	wikidasher	[Service]
2023-08-18 16:53:34	wikidasher	User=user
2023-08-18 16:53:34	wikidasher	Group=group
2023-08-18 16:53:38	bf_	!paste
2023-08-18 16:53:38	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-08-18 16:53:39	wikidasher	what should I write in group
2023-08-18 16:53:42	wikidasher	thanks =)
2023-08-18 16:53:49	bf_	wikidasher: group is the same as user in many cases
2023-08-18 16:53:51	◣	Tom^ (~Tom^@user/tom/x-0773808) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 4.0.3)
2023-08-18 16:53:56	wikidasher	so I could write
2023-08-18 16:54:00	wikidasher	User=username
2023-08-18 16:54:03	bf_	because every user gets their own group with same name
2023-08-18 16:54:04	wikidasher	Group=username
2023-08-18 16:54:04	wikidasher	?
2023-08-18 16:54:37	bf_	wait thats not correct
2023-08-18 16:54:39	bf_	forget what I said
2023-08-18 16:54:45	wikidasher	ok =)
2023-08-18 16:55:23	bf_	wikidasher: you can use the group "users" 
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2023-08-18 16:55:29	teraflops	wikidasher: type `ìd` in a termninal and see your group/s
2023-08-18 16:55:30	bf_	but maybe you can also comment out that line
2023-08-18 16:55:32	Pikk3wyn	bf_: the make deps are required for actually making/installing the package
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2023-08-18 16:56:01	bf_	Pikk3wyn: it's weird because I thought pacman does not *make* anything, it's a bundled tar of binaries?
2023-08-18 16:56:13	bf_	https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/qemu-base/ 
2023-08-18 16:56:17	wikidasher	bf_: uid=1000(username) gid=1000(username) groups=1000(username),3(sys),964(libvirt),982(rfkill),998(wheel)
2023-08-18 16:56:21	bf_	"basic qemu setup for headless environments"
2023-08-18 16:56:25	bf_	and I end up with mesa and wayland :D
2023-08-18 16:56:26	wikidasher	don't see users group
2023-08-18 16:56:35	bf_	wikidasher: then use your username :)
2023-08-18 16:56:42	wikidasher	great
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2023-08-18 16:56:56	bf_	wikidasher: do some trial and error. don't forget to sudo systemctl daemon reload; sudo systemctl restart $SERVICENAME
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2023-08-18 16:57:13	wikidasher	I honestly can't for the life of me figure out this simple thing
2023-08-18 16:57:14	wikidasher	aagh
2023-08-18 16:57:19	tomty89	bf_: make deps are only required / pulled when you build a package with makepkg
2023-08-18 16:57:21	wikidasher	will come back if i have a specific doubt =)
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2023-08-18 16:57:57	bf_	tomty89: okay, maybe I installed "qemu" by accident
2023-08-18 16:57:58	Pikk3wyn	bf_: I don't think the make deps are relevant unless you are making the package by hand
2023-08-18 16:57:58	ℹ 	Spr0cket- es conocido ahora como Spr0cket
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2023-08-18 16:58:15	Pikk3wyn	at least most of the time
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2023-08-18 16:59:46	tomty89	bf_: you can pacman -Qi a package to see whether it was installed explicitly or as a dep (and also which packages on the system depends on it)
2023-08-18 16:59:55	teraflops	iirc makepkg asks you to uninstall makedepends after building the package?
2023-08-18 17:00:12	Pikk3wyn	teraflops: I don't thiiiink so
2023-08-18 17:00:22	Pikk3wyn	or wait
2023-08-18 17:00:27	Pikk3wyn	it does, but the default is not to
2023-08-18 17:00:27	teraflops	yeah I guess so
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2023-08-18 17:00:53	Pikk3wyn	or atleast yay does, but it's y/N
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2023-08-18 17:01:23	bf_	It's a bit weird. I only have qemu-base and qemu-user installed
2023-08-18 17:01:25	bf_	pacman -S 
2023-08-18 17:01:52	bf_	hm maybe I really did pacman -S qemu and should forget about it
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2023-08-18 17:03:27	bf_	https://paste.rs/UGsK3.txt
2023-08-18 17:03:29	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-08-18 17:03:32	bf_	what am I doing wrong?
2023-08-18 17:04:04	tomty89	bf_: what do you mean
2023-08-18 17:04:11	◣	function1 (~function1@user/function1) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2023-08-18 17:04:14	bf_	pacman -S qemu-base wants to install wayland
2023-08-18 17:04:15	Pikk3wyn	bf_: could be an optional dep
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2023-08-18 17:04:35	bf_	https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/qemu-base/ -> mesa is a "make" dep
2023-08-18 17:04:47	Pikk3wyn	mesa doesn't need wayland anyway tho
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2023-08-18 17:05:09	bf_	https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/mesa/ -> show more -> wayland (make)
2023-08-18 17:05:12	tomty89	bf_: well, you need to check the dep list of the deps of qemu-base
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2023-08-18 17:05:22	tomty89	;)
2023-08-18 17:05:43	tomty89	and the deps of deps on the dep lists
2023-08-18 17:05:47	tomty89	and so on
2023-08-18 17:06:03	bf_	yeah but why is pacman trying to install make deps for all packages on my system?
2023-08-18 17:06:12	bf_	is it maybe because I installed base-devel at some point?
2023-08-18 17:07:20	tomty89	bf_: it may be just a make dep of qemu-base, but it is probably not a make dep of its (qemu-base's) direct or indirect deps
2023-08-18 17:07:57	tonitch	Hey, I'm used to install grub on all my archlinux install.. but here i'm installing arch on a vm with not so much space. is there a boot loader that is light and just start without the need of a menu and all like grub ? 
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2023-08-18 17:08:17	Pikk3wyn	tonitch: you can just disable the grub menu
2023-08-18 17:08:19	bf_	tonitch: depends if you can use uefi in your vm or not
2023-08-18 17:08:23	◣	manti7 (~manti7@176.10.104.94) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2023-08-18 17:08:28	Pikk3wyn	there is sysetmd-boot i guess
2023-08-18 17:08:48	gromit	tonitch: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_boot_process#Feature_comparison
2023-08-18 17:08:49	phrik	Title: Arch boot process - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-18 17:09:22	Pikk3wyn	you can set grub to not show the menu and have 1/0 second timeout
2023-08-18 17:09:43	teraflops	bf_: 
2023-08-18 17:10:01	Pikk3wyn	actually lmao I would just set a short timeout, no point hiding the menu as it makes no time difference
2023-08-18 17:10:04	teraflops	oops sorry
2023-08-18 17:10:07	bf_	:)
2023-08-18 17:10:08	teraflops	bf_: pactree -r wayland 
2023-08-18 17:10:21	teraflops	qemu-base is there
2023-08-18 17:10:39	teraflops	so I guess install qemu-headless instead
2023-08-18 17:10:47	tomty89	bf_: for one qemu-ui-opengl depends on mesa btw
2023-08-18 17:11:16	tomty89	(and mesa depends on wayland, if that's what you are bothering)
2023-08-18 17:11:25	Pikk3wyn	does mesa depend on wayland now
2023-08-18 17:11:28	◣	The_Loko (~The_Loko@79.117.0.105) ha salido (Quit: Leaving)
2023-08-18 17:11:31	Pikk3wyn	for gods sake why
2023-08-18 17:12:08	◣	operateur (~My_user_n@91.143.220.230) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2023-08-18 17:12:56	bf_	for function leftpad(str, i) { .. } 
2023-08-18 17:13:04	tonitch	systemd-boot doesn't support ext4 I think and grub seems bloated ?!
2023-08-18 17:13:15	tonitch	(for my use case)
2023-08-18 17:13:40	bf_	tonitch: I just installed grub for qemu guest an hour ago, it's the easiest solution of you dont want to mess around with uefi
2023-08-18 17:13:54	tonitch	alright then :)
2023-08-18 17:14:10	teraflops	tonitch: what do you mean by systemd-boot does not support ext4?
2023-08-18 17:14:23	Pikk3wyn	tonitch: grub isnt bloated :P
2023-08-18 17:14:35	Pikk3wyn	tonitch: just go to /etc/default/grub and change the menu timeout
2023-08-18 17:14:46	tonitch	that's why I said for my use case :p
2023-08-18 17:14:52	Pikk3wyn	make sure to regen grub config
2023-08-18 17:14:52	bf_	grub needs 1MB partition :D
2023-08-18 17:15:39	Pikk3wyn	bf_?
2023-08-18 17:15:41	bf_	teraflops: qemu-headless also wants to install wayland
2023-08-18 17:15:42	tonitch	the problem is not to see or not to see the menu, is the fact that I don't need it so I don't see why it should be on my system... I thought there would be a bootloader that would just forward to the linux image and done
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2023-08-18 17:16:13	teraflops	tonitch: so do not use any?
2023-08-18 17:16:19	Pikk3wyn	tonitch: you can configure grub to do that
2023-08-18 17:16:25	teraflops	just use efibootmgr
2023-08-18 17:16:27	Pikk3wyn	can't you just boot it directly with uefi
2023-08-18 17:16:42	Pikk3wyn	what teraflops said ^
2023-08-18 17:16:46	tonitch	is it possible teraflops 
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2023-08-18 17:16:58	tonitch	i didn't know, i'll check that
2023-08-18 17:17:10	teraflops	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFISTUB
2023-08-18 17:17:12	phrik	Title: EFISTUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-18 17:17:25	tomty89	bf_: pacman -Si qemu-base | grep Provides
2023-08-18 17:17:55	tomty89	fwiw, qemu-base is a meta package
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2023-08-18 17:18:26	bf_	tomty89: there are multiple meta packages: qemu, qemu-base (according to description "headless") and qemu-headless. all three of them want to install mesa/wayland for me
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2023-08-18 17:18:56	tomty89	bf_: there's no (longer) actual qemu-headless; it's a just an alias of qemu-base
2023-08-18 17:19:11	bf_	makes sense. but for me it feels there's something messed up
2023-08-18 17:19:22	◣	ncuxo (~Ident@user/ncuxo) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2023-08-18 17:19:23	tomty89	bf_: and as I said, qemu-ui-opengl pulls mesa which pulls wayland
2023-08-18 17:20:42	teraflops	ah I read conflicts qemu-headless
2023-08-18 17:20:45	bf_	qemu-base -> qemu-ui-spice-core -> qemu-ui-opengl -> mesa 
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2023-08-18 17:21:51	tomty89	bf_: yes
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2023-08-18 17:24:27	bf_	I've opened a bug, maybe there's a way to fix this
2023-08-18 17:24:40	bf_	wayland/mesa/fuse on a server doesn't feel clean
2023-08-18 17:25:21	tomty89	bf_: the thing is, qemu-base isn't exactly supposed to be the "minimal" way
2023-08-18 17:25:32	tomty89	bf_: you can really just start with qemu-system-x86
2023-08-18 17:25:41	tonitch	wait, qemu is not efi
2023-08-18 17:26:00	bf_	tonitch: I said that right at the start ;D
2023-08-18 17:26:09	teraflops	tonitch: wat?
2023-08-18 17:26:12	bf_	tomty89: then they should change package description ;)
2023-08-18 17:26:26	bf_	tonitch: you need to do some qemu special config for UEFI to work
2023-08-18 17:26:29	bf_	see wiki
2023-08-18 17:26:38	tonitch	well, grub it is x)
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2023-08-18 17:27:22	tonitch	thanks, today I'm one of today's lucky 10000
2023-08-18 17:27:25	bf_	tomty89: I'm really only hung up on the package description which says "headless" and then it installs some icon themes 
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2023-08-18 17:28:43	tomty89	bf_: you can't always avoid all linkage / deps you consider unnecessary; it's often an upstream thing
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2023-08-18 17:29:34	bf_	tomty89: makes sense. I can't judge this so I raised a bug report. Maybe it's a packaging mishap and can be avoided
2023-08-18 17:29:34	tomty89	bf_: to be fair, qemu-base doesn't directly dep on qemu-ui-opengl
2023-08-18 17:29:54	bf_	There's another open issue in the bugtracker where the maintainer says they want to rework the meta packages in july this year
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2023-08-18 17:32:07	teraflops	tonitch: which OS are you going to virtualize
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2023-08-18 17:33:27	wikidasher	maybe noob question
2023-08-18 17:33:54	wikidasher	why does it say:
2023-08-18 17:33:55	wikidasher	ago 18 17:31:59 username minidlnad[28709]: [2023/08/18 17:31:59] minidlna.c:714: fatal: Database path not accessible! [/home/username/torrents/minidlna/db]
2023-08-18 17:33:55	wikidasher	ago 18 17:31:59 username systemd[1]: minidlna.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=255/EXCEPTION
2023-08-18 17:34:05	wikidasher	when that database path has 777
2023-08-18 17:34:41	teraflops	if the file does exist, it looks like a permission issue
2023-08-18 17:34:59	wikidasher	yeah
2023-08-18 17:35:02	wikidasher	but the file has 77
2023-08-18 17:35:03	wikidasher	7
2023-08-18 17:35:07	wikidasher	so rwx to everyone
2023-08-18 17:35:19	teraflops	at this point let me recommend jellyfin ;)
2023-08-18 17:35:22	bf_	wikidasher: every single folder in the path needs to be accessible
2023-08-18 17:35:25	bf_	wikidasher: not only the file
2023-08-18 17:35:38	Namarrgon	sudo namei -l /home/username/torrents/minidlna/db
2023-08-18 17:36:01	Namarrgon	is that a system service?
2023-08-18 17:36:10	wikidasher	it's minidlna service
2023-08-18 17:36:13	Pikk3wyn	bf_: I don't think that is the case
2023-08-18 17:36:22	ℹ 	sharpjs0 es conocido ahora como sharpjs
2023-08-18 17:36:30	Namarrgon	if yes then it would be simpler to keep that db outside your $HOME
2023-08-18 17:36:56	Pikk3wyn	unless you set it to 777 yourself, are you sure it is actually 777 and not a link maybe?
2023-08-18 17:37:01	wikidasher	set it myself
2023-08-18 17:37:39	tonitch	teraflops: Archlinux...
2023-08-18 17:37:53	Pikk3wyn	for future reference, rather dont set stuff to 777 if its your user that needs it
2023-08-18 17:38:11	wikidasher	yeah, i panicked since it is not my user, but a user called minidlna
2023-08-18 17:38:14	teraflops	ah, well you can setup qemu to boot uefi guests, it's not that hard
2023-08-18 17:38:21	tonitch	btw, once the grub has been setup, can the archlinux package "grub" can be uninstall from the host ? 
2023-08-18 17:38:32	◣	mcury (~mcury@user/mcury) ha salido (Quit: Leaving)
2023-08-18 17:38:33	Pikk3wyn	wikidasher: you can chown /database/file youruser:minidlna 
2023-08-18 17:38:40	bf_	tonitch: nope
2023-08-18 17:38:42	Pikk3wyn	and chmod 770 
2023-08-18 17:39:04	dan2704	can flatpak packages be installed in chroot?
2023-08-18 17:39:06	tonitch	teraflops: yhea, I found online.
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2023-08-18 17:39:11	tonitch	but now grub is installed x)
2023-08-18 17:39:34	Pikk3wyn	try chown -R youruser:minidlna /home/username/torrents/minidlna
2023-08-18 17:39:42	tomty89	tonitch: not if you rely on grub-mkconfig
2023-08-18 17:39:46	Pikk3wyn	and chmod -R 770 /home/username/torrents/minidlna/
2023-08-18 17:40:02	teraflops	wikidasher: what's the reasoning behind making dlna to run as your user?
2023-08-18 17:40:19	wikidasher	it wasn't my intention, actually
2023-08-18 17:40:26	Pikk3wyn	is it a system or user service?
2023-08-18 17:40:30	wikidasher	I just got very confused
2023-08-18 17:40:32	Pikk3wyn	I assume system since it has its own user?
2023-08-18 17:41:03	wikidasher	yeah, i screwed up badly
2023-08-18 17:41:13	wikidasher	now it is saying minidlna.c:781: fatal: Bad user 'minidlna'
2023-08-18 17:41:19	wikidasher	when it didn't say that before
2023-08-18 17:41:25	wikidasher	agh
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2023-08-18 17:41:27	Pikk3wyn	wikidasher: i found this thing https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MiniDLNA
2023-08-18 17:41:30	phrik	Title: MiniDLNA - Community Help Wiki (at help.ubuntu.com)
2023-08-18 17:41:38	wikidasher	read that before
2023-08-18 17:41:47	wikidasher	but since it's old i didn't want to trust it
2023-08-18 17:41:50	wikidasher	might try now
2023-08-18 17:41:51	Pikk3wyn	it is for ubuntu and whatever, but it has info as to starting it fo rthe user and configuring in minidlna etc
2023-08-18 17:42:04	wikidasher	to delete every config does -Rns suffice?
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2023-08-18 17:42:35	Pikk3wyn	only config should be /etc/minidlna.conf
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2023-08-18 17:43:26	Pikk3wyn	idk about the xdg autostart, that will only start if you have a de configured in such a way that will start it
2023-08-18 17:44:11	Pikk3wyn	o i found an archwiki one aswell
2023-08-18 17:44:18	Pikk3wyn	that looks better than the ubuntu guide
2023-08-18 17:44:30	Pikk3wyn	ubuntu guide looks meh actually
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2023-08-18 17:44:42	wikidasher	yeah
2023-08-18 17:44:45	wikidasher	it doesn't look very good
2023-08-18 17:44:51	Pikk3wyn	what info are you following? there is a part for ProtectHome=off in the service
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2023-08-18 17:45:16	wikidasher	i followed archwiki
2023-08-18 17:45:21	wikidasher	just the 2.0 paragraph
2023-08-18 17:45:37	wikidasher	and 3
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2023-08-18 17:45:42	wikidasher	for firewall and other issues
2023-08-18 17:47:04	wikidasher	i understood i should skip 2.3 since i wanted to run it globally
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2023-08-18 17:47:10	wikidasher	buat now i'm very unsure
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2023-08-18 17:49:36	wikidasher	but now it says Add ProtectHome=off in the [Service] section if you want minidlna to be able to read/write to /home/user/, including the db_dir or any media_dir.
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2023-08-18 17:49:47	Pikk3wyn	did you do that?
2023-08-18 17:49:48	wikidasher	the service section in where?
2023-08-18 17:49:58	wikidasher	in run-as-user.conf?
2023-08-18 17:50:03	Pikk3wyn	ja
2023-08-18 17:50:03	wikidasher	but i don't want to run it as user
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2023-08-18 17:51:57	Pikk3wyn	you should just be able to use the default way then
2023-08-18 17:52:48	Pikk3wyn	you might need to configure/create some directory for it to store media and chown it to the minildna user
2023-08-18 17:53:10	Pikk3wyn	and the interface
2023-08-18 17:53:17	tomty89	I don't think whether you need a snippet with ProtectHome=off depends on whether you run as non-root?
2023-08-18 17:53:17	teraflops	wikidasher: just add your user to minidlna group if needed
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2023-08-18 17:53:28	Pikk3wyn	tomty89: it doesnt run as root either way
2023-08-18 17:53:48	Pikk3wyn	the protecthome is to let the system service touch the home directory
2023-08-18 17:54:22	tomty89	Pikk3wyn: the service shipped has ProtectHome=on tho
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2023-08-18 17:54:49	tomty89	which is why you need the a snippet "if you want minidlna to be able to read/write to /home/user/, including the db_dir or any media_dir."
2023-08-18 17:55:13	teraflops	jellyfin has a dlna service built-in with the advantage that media is sorted properly and it shows covers
2023-08-18 17:55:49	joel135	how to connect to public wifi that has a login page in browser?
2023-08-18 17:56:39	tomty89	joel135: make sure you have a browser installed?
2023-08-18 17:56:42	teraflops	captive portal? NM handles it just fine
2023-08-18 17:56:56	joel135	i am using iwctl
2023-08-18 17:57:53	wikidasher	Pikk3wyn and teraflops and some other users: thanks so much for your help :) found an alternative solution to my problem
2023-08-18 17:58:06	teraflops	;)
2023-08-18 17:58:07	Pikk3wyn	sweet
2023-08-18 17:58:24	wikidasher	The thing is that with debian this program was a oneliner install :/ Guess you can't have everything
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2023-08-18 17:59:01	tomty89	well minidlna.service isn't from upstream, so
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2023-08-18 18:34:45	dan2704	can flatpak packages be installed in chroot?
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2023-08-18 18:39:14	dan2704	I tried installing flatpak packages in arch-chroot and I get errors like:
2023-08-18 18:39:14	dan2704	flatpak /var/lib/flatpak/exports/share are not in the search path set by XDG_DATA_DIRS
2023-08-18 18:39:14	dan2704	or 
2023-08-18 18:39:14	dan2704	While trying to apply extra data: apply_extra script failed, exit status 256
2023-08-18 18:39:14	dan2704	Did anyone else run into this?
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2023-08-18 18:40:39	Pikk3wyn	how specifically are you trying to install it
2023-08-18 18:40:49	Pikk3wyn	is it a fresh install?
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2023-08-18 18:41:21	Pikk3wyn	are you possibly trying to install something as root
2023-08-18 18:41:26	Pikk3wyn	when it should be installed by the user?
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2023-08-18 18:41:45	Pikk3wyn	try sudo -iu theuser
2023-08-18 18:42:02	Pikk3wyn	I am not familiar enough with flatpak to know if that is definitely the problem
2023-08-18 18:42:38	dan2704	yes, it's a fresh install
2023-08-18 18:42:47	dan2704	flatpak install flathub <my_package>
2023-08-18 18:43:34	dan2704	after I reboot into the environment it does work, but I was wondering if it can be done before as I have a script that automates the install
2023-08-18 18:43:43	dan2704	that's why I was asking if anybody else did it
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2023-08-18 18:44:16	Pikk3wyn	you aren't supposed to run that as root
2023-08-18 18:44:41	Pikk3wyn	once you have created the user, do sudo -iu youruser
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2023-08-18 18:45:07	Pikk3wyn	that will switch you to the user, and it should work
2023-08-18 18:45:49	dan2704	pff that sucks.. ok
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2023-08-18 18:46:12	Pikk3wyn	how does it suck haha 
2023-08-18 18:46:20	Pikk3wyn	you aren't supposed to run flatpak as root ^^
2023-08-18 18:47:14	Pikk3wyn	it's probably good it didn't work :)
2023-08-18 18:47:21	dan2704	it sucks because I was trying to automate the entire install (including flatpaks) through my script and I can't do anything there :)
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2023-08-18 18:47:32	Pikk3wyn	oh you can
2023-08-18 18:47:56	Pikk3wyn	you can use sudo -u youruser flatpak install blah 
2023-08-18 18:48:14	dan2704	ooo really?
2023-08-18 18:48:16	dan2704	let me try
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2023-08-18 19:01:14	dan2704	I get:
2023-08-18 19:01:15	dan2704	error: While opening repository /var/lib/flatpak/repo: opening repo: opendir(/var/lib/flatpak/repo): No such file or directory
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2023-08-18 19:04:12	Pikk3wyn	try create /var/lib/flatpak/repo
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2023-08-18 19:05:51	Pikk3wyn	I would have assumed it would create them by itself tho
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2023-08-18 19:06:24	Pikk3wyn	you may have to add a repo via flatpak or something
2023-08-18 19:06:42	Pikk3wyn	do you get any output from 'flatpak remotes'
2023-08-18 19:06:55	dan2704	without sudo?
2023-08-18 19:07:10	Pikk3wyn	it would all be run as the user
2023-08-18 19:07:19	Pikk3wyn	so either sudo -u myuser flatpak etc
2023-08-18 19:07:25	Pikk3wyn	or just sudo -iu myuser
2023-08-18 19:07:38	Pikk3wyn	then you will be in that shell and can do whatever flatpak commands
2023-08-18 19:07:57	Pikk3wyn	if it is in a script you would probably be doing sudo -u myuser flatpak blah
2023-08-18 19:08:07	Pikk3wyn	but for test you can sudo -iu so its less typing
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2023-08-18 19:08:37	Pikk3wyn	also, you could stick all of the flatpak commands in a separate shellscript, and do sudo -u myuser /blah/flatpakcommands.sh
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2023-08-18 19:10:03	Pikk3wyn	perhaps try flatpak --user repair 
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2023-08-18 19:10:14	Pikk3wyn	and you may be missing a flatpak remote or something
2023-08-18 19:10:25	Pikk3wyn	I don't know further than that regarding flatpak
2023-08-18 19:10:47	dan2704	I'm actually doing something like this :) (because of scripting and escaping and etc)
2023-08-18 19:10:47	dan2704	arch-chroot /mnt sh -c 'sudo -u dan flatpak install -y flathub com.vscodium.codium'
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2023-08-18 19:11:29	dan2704	flatpak remotes does the same thing
2023-08-18 19:11:40	Pikk3wyn	same error?
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2023-08-18 19:12:12	Pikk3wyn	did you try create the dir
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2023-08-18 19:12:27	Pikk3wyn	you should be able to drop the sh -c from that I think
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2023-08-18 19:12:52	dan2704	yes, same error
2023-08-18 19:13:02	Pikk3wyn	you created the dir?
2023-08-18 19:13:30	dan2704	if I create /var/lib/flatpak/repo, I get:
2023-08-18 19:13:30	dan2704	error: While opening repository  /var/lib/flatpak/repo: opening repo: opendir(objects): No such file or directory
2023-08-18 19:13:45	Pikk3wyn	ahh I think it just needs those dirs to be created
2023-08-18 19:14:20	Pikk3wyn	for the script you can do mkdir -p /var/lib/flatpak/repo/objects
2023-08-18 19:14:31	Pikk3wyn	to create the whole path
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2023-08-18 19:15:11	dan2704	yeah but it's a rabbit hole :) 
2023-08-18 19:15:13	dan2704	let's try
2023-08-18 19:15:21	Pikk3wyn	with the flatpak repos, that can run as root
2023-08-18 19:15:31	Pikk3wyn	you can do flatpak remote-add whatever --user
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2023-08-18 19:16:01	Pikk3wyn	but I think you might just need to create the dirs
2023-08-18 19:16:36	Pikk3wyn	there are reports of the issue before and creating the dirs seemed to fix it
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2023-08-18 19:16:56	dan2704	I kept creating directories, now I get:
2023-08-18 19:16:56	dan2704	error: while opening repository /var/lib/flatpak/repo: opening repo: Is a directory
2023-08-18 19:17:07	Pikk3wyn	ah
2023-08-18 19:17:31	dan2704	remote-add is for adding extra repositories
2023-08-18 19:17:33	Pikk3wyn	I think, delete the repo directory, run flatpak repair, then do flatpak remote-add again
2023-08-18 19:17:37	dan2704	I'm leveraging flathub
2023-08-18 19:17:50	dan2704	I will try
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2023-08-18 19:18:56	dan2704	I did:
2023-08-18 19:18:56	dan2704	arch-chroot /mnt sh -c 'sudo -u dan flatpak repair'
2023-08-18 19:18:56	dan2704	I got:
2023-08-18 19:18:56	dan2704	error: Unable to connect to system bus
2023-08-18 19:19:17	Pikk3wyn	run flatpak repair as root
2023-08-18 19:19:51	Pikk3wyn	the flatpak user stuff should be done with --user
2023-08-18 19:20:04	Pikk3wyn	actually try this, arch-chroot /mnt sh -c 'sudo -u dan flatpak install --user -y flathub com.vscodium.codium'
2023-08-18 19:20:27	Pikk3wyn	I am out of my depth with flatpak tho at this point, I dont really use it for anything XD
2023-08-18 19:20:59	dan2704	lol it somewhat worked.. well it started the download
2023-08-18 19:20:59	dan2704	but I get warnings like:
2023-08-18 19:20:59	dan2704	Warning: Failed to get revokefs-fuse socket from system-helper: Unable to connect to system bus
2023-08-18 19:20:59	dan2704	Warning: Unable to connect to system bus
2023-08-18 19:21:11	dan2704	I am reffering to repair & install
2023-08-18 19:21:25	dan2704	I will try your last paste
2023-08-18 19:21:27	dan2704	:D
2023-08-18 19:21:55	Pikk3wyn	ah, those would be an issue with the chroot I think
2023-08-18 19:22:47	Pikk3wyn	some things can only be done from the booted system (as far as i know)
2023-08-18 19:22:53	Pikk3wyn	it might be wanting to talk to systemd or something
2023-08-18 19:23:34	Pikk3wyn	that, I don't know if it can be done
2023-08-18 19:23:50	Pikk3wyn	if it can I have no idea how
2023-08-18 19:23:55	Pikk3wyn	from a chroot
2023-08-18 19:24:32	dan2704	so I tried your last paste and I get:
2023-08-18 19:24:32	dan2704	error: Refusing to operate under sudo with --user. Ommit sudo to operate on the user installation, or use a root shell to operate on the root user's installation
2023-08-18 19:24:44	Pikk3wyn	o dont run the --user one with sudo
2023-08-18 19:24:53	Pikk3wyn	well, I mean dont run it as root
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2023-08-18 19:25:00	Pikk3wyn	the --user should be run as user
2023-08-18 19:25:24	Pikk3wyn	but judging from that system bus error, I think you have to do it from a booted system
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2023-08-18 19:25:52	Pikk3wyn	I think it needs to interact with the systemd on an actual booted syste
2023-08-18 19:25:53	Pikk3wyn	m
2023-08-18 19:26:49	dan2704	possibly.. why would it do any IPC dbus comms when installing packages tho... beats me
2023-08-18 19:27:22	Pikk3wyn	it doesn't have the real thing running to actually communicate with
2023-08-18 19:27:27	Pikk3wyn	I gotta go for a bit
2023-08-18 19:27:31	dan2704	np
2023-08-18 19:27:33	dan2704	ty
2023-08-18 19:27:41	Pikk3wyn	my final thoughts are that judging by that bus error, it probably can't be done from chroot
2023-08-18 19:27:44	Pikk3wyn	unfortunately ::)
2023-08-18 19:27:49	dan2704	yeah that's ok
2023-08-18 19:27:51	dan2704	ty
2023-08-18 19:27:56	Pikk3wyn	good luck
2023-08-18 19:27:59	dan2704	u2
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2023-08-18 19:35:00	teraflops	dan2704: I think systemd-nspawn could be a better option than a chroot regarding the flatpak issue you are facing
2023-08-18 19:38:45	dan2704	hm I had no clue about it but having a quick look at the wiki saying it's more powerful might be worth a shot thanks
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2023-08-18 19:54:58	dan2704	teraflops: thank you, it does work with systemd-nspawn, I just get a warning, I need to look into or I can ignore it I guess
2023-08-18 19:54:58	dan2704	Warning: While trying to apply extra data: apply_extra script failed, exit status 256
2023-08-18 19:57:32	dan2704	ah no.. the warning turned into an error for some reason when installing another package
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2023-08-18 20:11:03	dan2704	yeah so I think I narrowed it down, the issue is with a dep named "org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264", that's from where the warnings stems and in some cases (unsure yet) turns into an error
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2023-08-20 19:31:42	username2	hmm
2023-08-20 19:31:51	username2	oh ok, i don't know what i'm supposed to do
2023-08-20 19:32:16	username2	abort and follow the manual fdisk way i guess.. darn
2023-08-20 19:32:19	username2	that won't be pleasant
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2023-08-20 19:32:36	jelle	username2: efi or bios?
2023-08-20 19:34:25	teraflops	bios
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2023-08-20 19:34:34	teraflops	it syas uefi mode off
2023-08-20 19:34:37	teraflops	says*
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2023-08-20 19:47:06	teraflops	username2: if fdisk is not pleasant to you, use sfdisk
2023-08-20 19:48:25	another|	did you mean cfdisk?
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2023-08-20 19:48:55	teraflops	ah yeah
2023-08-20 19:49:00	teraflops	cfdisk
2023-08-20 19:49:21	teraflops	the ncurses-like one
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2023-08-20 20:04:19	thingfish	cfdisk is easy to use.
2023-08-20 20:04:54	MrElendig	cgdisk*
2023-08-20 20:05:36	username2	Oh sweet, is there an ncurses one?
2023-08-20 20:05:38	username2	jelle: bios!
2023-08-20 20:06:02	username2	I guess I will have to start over..  What a shame though, there's nothing unique or unusual about my install, it's a single hard disk
2023-08-20 20:06:19	username2	Surprised such a basic thing crashed the entire installer
2023-08-20 20:06:35	username2	I will search for cfdisk !
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2023-08-20 20:07:19	teraflops	username2: it looks weird to me that a qemu setup has /dev/sda as disk name 
2023-08-20 20:07:52	username2	It does? @_@
2023-08-20 20:08:07	username2	I am using something called Proxmox, I can change any options I'm sure as needed!  I just use the default values typically
2023-08-20 20:08:20	username2	Did you want me to try an LXC instead, it's a container?
2023-08-20 20:08:24	username2	And I think has different device names
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2023-08-20 20:08:50	username2	Maybe I should've done that instead , I am a newbie
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2023-08-20 20:10:00	username2	https://github.com/archlinux/archinstall/issues/2013
2023-08-20 20:10:05	username2	Looks like it's a big problem
2023-08-20 20:10:11	username2	and not just me
2023-08-20 20:10:13	username2	phew
2023-08-20 20:12:00	username2	sorry not big problem **known problem
2023-08-20 20:12:09	username2	well i'd say big too lol
2023-08-20 20:12:40	teraflops	use the well known installation method, for your setup it is extremely easy to follow
2023-08-20 20:13:11	teraflops	like idk, 8 commands?
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2023-08-20 20:27:05	username2	How do I get a different mirror list?
2023-08-20 20:27:23	username2	My /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist only has a handful of entries and they're all from far countries, how do I get Canadian mirrors?
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2023-08-20 20:28:04	HuntsMan	username2: did you check /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.pacnew ?
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2023-08-20 20:28:49	username2	No such file unfortunately
2023-08-20 20:29:21	HuntsMan	which version of pacman-mirrorlist package do you have?
2023-08-20 20:29:45	username2	That doesn't appear to be installed
2023-08-20 20:30:18	username2	https://imgur.com/a/9qpiPKg
2023-08-20 20:30:19	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2023-08-20 20:31:02	HuntsMan	what exactly are you doing? is this an arch system?
2023-08-20 20:31:16	username2	Of course - I am trying just simply to install Arch
2023-08-20 20:31:19	username2	And yes, latest ISO
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2023-08-20 20:31:31	HuntsMan	strange
2023-08-20 20:31:36	username2	And I don't like the included mirrorlist in /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
2023-08-20 20:31:41	HuntsMan	but in which step are you now?
2023-08-20 20:31:45	akik	username2: curl -o - https://archlinux.org/mirrorlist/?country=CA
2023-08-20 20:31:47	username2	Editing the mirrorlist step
2023-08-20 20:31:54	username2	It says to find your region, but I have no regions
2023-08-20 20:32:02	username2	Just pre-configured sources , and from far countries
2023-08-20 20:32:33	username2	I think the Wiki might be slightly out of date on this page? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/installation_guide
2023-08-20 20:32:35	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-20 20:32:37	username2	section 2.1 
2023-08-20 20:33:32	HuntsMan	it also mentions that you can use reflector
2023-08-20 20:33:47	akik	you can curl get the CA list
2023-08-20 20:33:51	akik	curl -o - https://archlinux.org/mirrorlist/?country=CA
2023-08-20 20:33:55	username2	I'm about to try that now, thank you akik
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2023-08-20 20:35:31	username2	that worked thank you, I had to enclose it in " " marks though and then change the - to mirrors.ca and then edit the comments
2023-08-20 20:35:42	username2	looks good, cheers !
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2023-08-20 20:48:37	mags	How can I deal with a custom repo to support multiple architectures; specifically, for arch=any packages; can I put those in a any/ folder then symlink to those from x86_64/, armv7h/, etc?
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2023-08-20 20:57:12	mags	right now I literally just copy each 'any' package file to each architecture folder manually
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2023-08-20 21:27:00	Foxboron	Does openssh have a support channel? I have an incredibly weird bug going on
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2023-08-20 21:29:54	alad	Foxboron: openssh-unix-dev
2023-08-20 21:30:05	Foxboron	alad: thats a mailing list
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2023-08-20 21:30:29	alad	do you expect an openbsd presence on discord or what
2023-08-20 21:30:58	Foxboron	alad: IRC?
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2023-08-20 21:32:06	alad	there's #openssh but no idea if official
2023-08-20 21:32:34	Foxboron	alad: No clue, no mention of it on the website so I assume unofficial. But tried posting there
2023-08-20 21:32:50	Foxboron	else I can try bother clever people here on openssl3 and openssh bugs
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2023-08-20 21:42:24	username2	I tried following the manual install guide, did all the partitions correctly using cfdisk and all of that, and grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sda completed with zero errors.  Yet on reboot, I am faced with a grub> prompt instead of a boot selection.  What went wrong now?
2023-08-20 21:42:28	username2	https://imgur.com/ecl5mDs
2023-08-20 21:42:29	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2023-08-20 21:42:47	Namarrgon	you forgot to generate/write grub.cfg
2023-08-20 21:43:55	username2	Shoot, okay, let me google that, I wonder how I missed it thanks
2023-08-20 21:44:10	Namarrgon	it's described on the grub wiki-page
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2023-08-20 21:47:40	LambdaComplex	ugh, is steam still broken
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2023-08-20 21:49:58	LambdaComplex	or broken again? idk
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2023-08-20 21:52:50	LambdaComplex	downgrading libgudev and lib32-libgudev from 238-1 to 237-2 has fixed my problem
2023-08-20 21:52:55	LambdaComplex	thanks #archlinux 
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2023-08-20 21:53:48	farkenvoid	what was broken
2023-08-20 21:54:12	LambdaComplex	short answer: steam crashing at startup
2023-08-20 21:54:24	LambdaComplex	long answer: looks like someone did an in-depth writeup of the issue here on github https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/9805#issuecomment-1626486059
2023-08-20 21:54:38	farkenvoid	ya, haven't had that problem
2023-08-20 21:54:56	ℹ 	cedb es conocido ahora como yeet
2023-08-20 21:55:01	ℹ 	yeet es conocido ahora como cedb
2023-08-20 21:58:42	farkenvoid	hmm, running 238 here but launch steam using runtime
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2023-08-21 17:17:42	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-08-21 17:17:42	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1377 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1376 normals)
2023-08-20 22:03:56	jamdox	sooo I tried installing the PBA from a running system on the other drive using sedutil, and now the system boots to a blank screen when I have that drive in, at all.  No boot menu, nothing.  POST then blackness...
2023-08-20 22:04:27	jamdox	the original drive is also having trouble finding its EFI stuff when I try to boot it...
2023-08-20 22:37:30	digital_mystik	hello.. any advice on debugging reboot/shutdown issues when nothing out of the ordinary shows up in journalctl or dmesg? I have been noticing that I will get to the end of the shutdown process what appears to be cleanly, but it hangs
2023-08-20 22:38:16	digital_mystik	this doesn't happen all the time, and have noticed that if I try to reboot or shutdown earlier on in the session it typically works, but if I let it go longer it will likely hang again
2023-08-20 22:39:47	digital_mystik	there was an issue with TPM on framework laptops which was remedied by reverting back to polling, but it still occurs with the kernel param and patched kernel.. guessing it may be a systemd unit somewhere but I have no idea
2023-08-20 22:42:42	digital_mystik	as a side note, I really wish framework would release a new stable BIOS update for alder lake (been on the beta since '22, but that's another story lol)
2023-08-20 23:13:54	jamdox	huh nice of everyone to break my uki script, nothing like having 2 broken hdds...
2023-08-20 23:18:08	bonob	sorry..
2023-08-20 23:21:34	jamdox	thanks bonob.  so I've forgotten bash... /usr/lib/systemd/ukify build --linux=...... .... --cmdline=$(cat cmdline.txt) ?
2023-08-20 23:22:23	jamdox	nevermind, there's a tip: --cmdline=@/path/to/cmdline
2023-08-20 23:29:27	jamdox	it's alive!  Now I just need to figure out how to boot with the OPAL drive in...
2023-08-20 23:30:38	jamdox	somehow I don't think I can hotplug an nvme drive...
2023-08-21 00:06:48	Ashark	Hi. I have a problem building from AUR. This package: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/qtcreator-gitqlient-plugin-git
2023-08-21 00:06:49	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - qtcreator-gitqlient-plugin-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-08-21 00:07:48	Ashark	It fails by timeout of cloning repo. However, I can clone it with git clone without a problem. How can I see which exact commands does makepkg invokes?
2023-08-21 00:07:49	drowsyclimber	:q
2023-08-21 00:08:26	Ashark	Neither --verbose, nor --debug options works
2023-08-21 00:09:21	hekel	the exact commands should be in the makepkg file
2023-08-21 00:10:10	hekel	s/makepkg/pkgbuild
2023-08-21 00:10:49	Ashark	For cloning it does not have explicit command
2023-08-21 00:10:59	Ashark	It has `source=("$pkgname::git://github.com/$_devname/$_pkgname.git")`
2023-08-21 00:11:18	Ashark	It has `source=("$pkgname::git://github.com/$_devname/$_pkgname.git")`
2023-08-21 00:12:07	ik3da	evening everyone. i have an encrypted ext4 partition (LUKS) which i've configured through the Disks program to automount and unlock at system startup, but it's only behaving as expected a little over half the time i boot
2023-08-21 00:12:37	BrainDamage	Ashark: git:// protocol for github has been deprecated since quite a while, switch to https
2023-08-21 00:12:53	ik3da	i'm not really too familiar with configuring disks, but figured i could get a clue here
2023-08-21 00:21:41	hekel	I guess "$pkgname::git+https://github.com/$_devname/$_pkgname.git" might be more appropriate...
2023-08-21 00:21:42	hekel	but for what it's worth, makepkg didn't seem to have a problem cloning it here, as the file exists on the aur
2023-08-21 00:23:27	Ashark	BrainDamage Thanks. I have checked the other packages before, and saw some have git+https. So I thought having a git protocol is ok.
2023-08-21 00:23:52	Ashark	@hekel Is it ok to have git+https for github sources?
2023-08-21 00:24:16	Ashark	I have found this: https://github.blog/2021-09-01-improving-git-protocol-security-github/#git-protocol-troubleshooting
2023-08-21 00:24:18	phrik	Title: Improving Git protocol security on GitHub - The GitHub Blog (at github.blog)
2023-08-21 00:24:54	Ashark	They say use https:// of git@github.com
2023-08-21 00:25:48	Ashark	Maybe we should document that here? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VCS_package_guidelines#VCS_sources
2023-08-21 00:25:49	phrik	Title: VCS package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-21 00:28:31	Scimmia	it is documented there
2023-08-21 00:30:18	Ashark	Scimmia I see now. You must use git+https for github, otherwise it does not work (clones to the file).
2023-08-21 00:32:04	⚡ 	cloudowind greets everyone
2023-08-21 01:19:01	damarusama	what's the file I need to change information when I put a new drive which will be my home... like the fstab file?
2023-08-21 01:31:09	invra	wha tpackage is needed to list flatpaks in gnome-software
2023-08-21 01:31:47	invra	gnome software says it has no repositories configured
2023-08-21 01:57:50	username2	Hi , I am stuck on this page https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Private_Internet_Access
2023-08-21 01:57:51	phrik	Title: Private Internet Access - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-21 03:02:51	username2	Is there any easier way to add a user to sudo ?  usually I just type usermod -aG sudo username
2023-08-21 03:03:02	username2	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/sudo this is next level
2023-08-21 03:03:03	phrik	Title: Sudo - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-21 03:03:20	username2	too overkill, it's giving me a headache
2023-08-21 03:03:45	luxzi	Just uncomment %wheel in the /etc/sudoers file
2023-08-21 03:04:03	username2	thank you!
2023-08-21 03:05:25	luxzi	no problem
2023-08-21 06:04:49	theta_decay	A
2023-08-21 06:41:41	jerzee	exiy
2023-08-21 07:47:00	⚡ 	drathir_tor can confirm gpu hw acceleration seems fixed... \o/
2023-08-21 10:55:56	mkoskar	rainbowtux: it calls `/usr/share/libalpm/scripts/snap-pac post` ... so I guess you can debug that if it keeps happening :), I don't use btrfs myself so I won't go further
2023-08-21 11:07:42	rainbowtux	mkoskar: thank you, will have a look :)
2023-08-21 11:16:20	kurtosis	rainbowtux:  does `snapper ls` show both pre and post snapshots being created for your various pacman runs?
2023-08-21 11:34:11	rainbowtux	kurtosis: yes and no :) i run update in chroot, there it does not... but outside of chroot it does... maybe the snapper command just fails in the chroot and that is the issue?
2023-08-21 11:37:52	MrElendig	partial update would be a classic
2023-08-21 12:06:40	rainbowtux	MrElendig: only doing full updates 
2023-08-21 12:14:13	jkatnight	i love arch linux <3
2023-08-21 12:15:05	tralala	me too :)
2023-08-21 12:16:36	jkatnight	every time i install arch linux somewhere, it's like designing the woman of my dreams
2023-08-21 12:16:43	jkatnight	:D
2023-08-21 12:17:23	jelle	jkatnight: this is kinda creepy, please use a better anology
2023-08-21 12:18:27	jkatnight	jelle, Each instance of installing Arch Linux feels akin to sculpting the perfect masterpiece from clay
2023-08-21 12:20:21	tralala	archwiki is amazing. Everytime I need something there's a page there that has information about it.
2023-08-21 12:21:38	jkatnight	tralala, True! I love that.
2023-08-21 12:22:56	diep	Hi, wondering if it's still needed to use some solution to "manually" copy boot files when ESP is mounted to /efi? Untill now Im using a pacman hook for that https://b.deip.fr/p/bee-snail
2023-08-21 12:22:57	phrik	Title: MicroBin (at b.deip.fr)
2023-08-21 12:23:43	diep	But reading the doc (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFI_system_partition#Typical_mount_points) it seems now /efi became a standard mountpoint?
2023-08-21 12:23:44	phrik	Title: EFI system partition - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-21 12:27:21	akik	diep: you can't use /efi as the esp mountpoint with archinstall
2023-08-21 12:27:35	akik	diep: it's listed in arch wiki though for it 
2023-08-21 12:27:42	akik	diep: i created a bug report about it
2023-08-21 12:29:34	diep	sorry what the point with archinstall here? Didnt ask anything related to it?
2023-08-21 12:30:15	diep	I just want to know if I can drop my pacman hook or not, since in the arch wiki /efi mount point seems like a supproted default mountpoint now
2023-08-21 12:31:35	diep	so Im asking of now boot files are correctly copied into it without the need of "external" (pacman hook etc) help?
2023-08-21 12:32:24	another|	diep: What makes you think that kernels are copied to /efi somehow?
2023-08-21 12:33:17	diep	the official arch doc "If you do not use one of the #Typical mount points, you will need to copy your boot files to ESP (referred to hereafter as esp). "
2023-08-21 12:33:46	diep	but as I said /efi is now listed in those "Typical" mount points
2023-08-21 12:34:17	diep	so logically, I do exept that kernels are copied into /efi
2023-08-21 12:36:28	diep	sorry guys, I dont want to start some sort of debate or whatever. My question is rather simple (at least from my pow): Do I need to keep this pacman hook to manually copy boot files into my ESP mounted to /efi, or not??
2023-08-21 12:39:21	diep	*expect
2023-08-21 12:40:48	another|	wiki is inaccurate here. AFAIK there is no code to automatically copy stuff to /efi by default
2023-08-21 12:42:17	diep	ok so I need to keep my hook
2023-08-21 12:42:24	another|	yes
2023-08-21 12:42:47	diep	btw this doc "inaccuracy" is a big point
2023-08-21 12:43:07	another|	feel free to fix it
2023-08-21 12:44:45	diep	how? I dont see any way to like contribute to the discussion? PR? etc
2023-08-21 12:44:52	lighterowl	diep: just edit the wiki
2023-08-21 12:45:54	ModYokosuka	Hint: you can't anonymously edit the wiki.
2023-08-21 13:24:23	bcrumb	Any idea why perl would be using wrong homedir for an action (perl -V, which uses a module apparently)? I have a dedicated AUR user and it's reading my main config
2023-08-21 13:59:05	invra	I am having some trouble with the system freezing when it goes into suspend. this is part of journalctl https://dpaste.com/59ZBL77YA 
2023-08-21 13:59:27	invra	not sure what is failing but the system freezes every time and i have to press the reset button
2023-08-21 14:04:08	espresso	invra: searching forum.. maybe this? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=277713
2023-08-21 14:04:08	phrik	Title: [Solved] Suspend is failing with nvidia and wayland. / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-08-21 14:10:05	invra	espresso: thankyou
2023-08-21 14:10:11	invra	ill give it a look and try it
2023-08-21 14:12:04	espresso	invra: by the way, a site I sometimes use to quickly search indexed, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Abbs.archlinux.org+suspend+wayland+nvidia
2023-08-21 14:12:06	phrik	Title: site:bbs.archlinux.org suspend wayland nvidia at DuckDuckGo (at duckduckgo.com)
2023-08-21 14:12:53	invra	oh thank you, I didnt know what a search engine was
2023-08-21 14:16:00	susi	now you know
2023-08-21 14:46:32	diep	I cant confirm my email because I dont receive any confirmation code from archlinux. So Im unable to edit the wiki.
2023-08-21 14:46:42	diep	t
2023-08-21 14:46:47	susi	did you check spam
2023-08-21 15:18:30	vvn	hi there -- I successfully paired an old thinkpad bluetooth keyboard, but it is awefully slow, with a huge delay on key or trackpoint input
2023-08-21 15:18:41	vvn	any idea why this happens?
2023-08-21 15:36:36	susi	I just know, that debugging BT is ... awful
2023-08-21 16:24:09	susi	how could I maybe decipher what event/sensor/whatever produces 'unknown key code 0xXY'?
2023-08-21 16:25:17	susi	could I somehow view the 'defines in keymap found in asus-nb-wmi'?
2023-08-21 16:31:15	susi	I get all the time these events, and can't seem to see any connection to anything I do or do not on the laptop
2023-08-21 17:17:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-08-21 18:02:36	mingdao	susi: Do you have it listed in `lsmod|grep asus-nb-wmi` ?
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2023-08-21 18:03:35	susi	'it'? I do have asus-nb-wmi listed
2023-08-21 18:03:43	susi	it might be that I should look into sparse_keymap.c
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2023-08-21 18:04:13	susi	ah nope, sparse_keymap.c didn't help
2023-08-21 18:04:35	susi	https://0x0.st/HLde.txt
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2023-08-21 18:12:19	stefanc_diff17	hi all! Is there a way for the mkarchroot utility to replicate the current installed packages rather than using "latest" ?
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2023-08-21 18:13:29	stefanc_diff17	Example use case: building a python pkg in a chroot (discards build deps fast) for the currently installed python version and not needed to upgrade to get to the latest python pkg with which the upstream python pkg is built against.
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2023-08-21 18:15:22	Foxboron	stefanc_diff17: we don't have a use for that from an Arch perspective, so you'd maybe be better off scripting that yourself
2023-08-21 18:15:46	jelle	stefanc_diff17: you could consider using the archlinux archive mirror 
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2023-08-21 18:17:46	Foxboron	the archive won't really do what they want. But they can specify a package cache path and a custom pacman config for this probably
2023-08-21 18:17:47	stefanc_diff17	I thought there would be no way to achieve this use case with the current tools from reading the man pages / help output. Was worth an ask before ...
2023-08-21 18:17:48	stefanc_diff17	I could always build the pkg natively (no chroot) which will mean that it targets the currently installed py version.
2023-08-21 18:17:48	stefanc_diff17	Becomes messy if the build fails and I have to remove all the build deps
2023-08-21 18:18:16	jelle	stefanc_diff17: but hmm how are you one python version behind?
2023-08-21 18:18:23	Foxboron	stefanc_diff17: systemd-nspawn can also just make a temp container of your system to build packages inn
2023-08-21 18:18:45	stefanc_diff17	didn't know about the systemd-nspawn and temp container from the current system ...
2023-08-21 18:19:02	Foxboron	systemd-nspawn --ephemeral and then point it at your root with some flags, super easy
2023-08-21 18:19:09	stefanc_diff17	I'm a minor py version behind because it has been a long time since I've upgraded
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2023-08-21 18:19:36	Foxboron	Obviously it doesn't solve this with mkarchchroot, but I don't think you need a lot of things to get this working
2023-08-21 18:19:43	jelle	stefanc_diff17: minor as in 3.11.x?
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2023-08-21 18:20:40	stefanc_diff17	no thats a patch version , I'm a minor version behind  -  3.MINOR.PATCH -  3.10.10
2023-08-21 18:21:28	gromit	stefanc_diff17: for how long did you not update and why? 
2023-08-21 18:21:34	susi	Foxboron: if I run `systemd-nspawn -x', what'll happen?
2023-08-21 18:22:05	Foxboron	susi: I have no clue, I don't commit these things into memory
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2023-08-21 18:22:59	jelle	stefanc_diff17: ooooof
2023-08-21 18:23:00	susi	noob
2023-08-21 18:23:07	stefanc_diff17	"for how long did you not update and why" these types of questions are a bit silly. I don't have the time to upgrade every other week. I want to use the system. I upgrade every 3-5 months. This upgrade cycle works fine for me.
2023-08-21 18:23:22	Foxboron	susi: ok
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2023-08-21 18:23:33	susi	Foxboron: sorry, jk. :)
2023-08-21 18:23:53	susi	I said it because of your obvious non-noobness
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2023-08-21 18:25:02	Foxboron	susi: too tired for this today, sorry
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2023-08-21 18:34:00	erfus	Hey there! Is it okay to use xorg/x11 in 2023? Seems like everyone deems xorg to be dead and wayland the new great default. But it seems like everything with wayland is a hassle. Firefox/Mozilla stuff still needs a manual wayland enable flag, screensharing is an issue, KDE seems to have quite a few issues although they recently fixed a lot.
2023-08-21 18:34:00	erfus	Honestly I don't see any benefit in using wayland over xorg, but I'm unsure about my decision about going with xorg since everyone seems to "hate" xorg nowadays.
2023-08-21 18:34:14	⚡ 	lighterowl grabs popcorn.
2023-08-21 18:34:44	BrainDamage	it's fine to use xorg
2023-08-21 18:35:26	erfus	Okay thanks! I'm just starting a new installation and wanted to make sure I'm not going a completely wrong path
2023-08-21 18:35:30	BrainDamage	you will miss some things like lack of tearing on window resize, or slightly better performance
2023-08-21 18:35:49	BrainDamage	but overall xorg will likely still be there for a while
2023-08-21 18:36:03	teraflops	erfus: which GPU?
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2023-08-21 18:36:40	erfus	teraflops: ryzen 7000 mobile integrated GPU, laptop
2023-08-21 18:36:44	BrainDamage	esp since due to its security model, wayland requires explicit whitelist or moving the behaviour to the WM
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2023-08-21 18:55:13	jl2	Hi, I tried to edit blender.desktop and i copied it from /usr/... to .local... but the change won't apply
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2023-08-21 18:55:59	jl2	i changed this line: Exec=>>nice -n 19<< blender %f
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2023-08-21 18:56:55	jl2	the file is .local/share/applications/blender.desktop
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2023-08-21 18:57:54	jl2	and ps shows it has a priority of 19 instead of 0
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2023-08-21 19:01:01	astralc	you may need to do something to trigger your menu 'rescan' it.
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2023-08-21 19:02:33	astralc	also you can give the new desktop file other filename (and change the Name, to make sure it is correct), to see it as different entry.
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2023-08-21 19:05:31	jl2	found it: sway-launcher-desktop stored the history with full file paths, thx astralc
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2023-08-21 19:09:11	jl2	Is there any systray icon for thunderbird that works with wayland?
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2023-08-21 19:47:40	zxrom	On my laptop in ArchLinux, I can't build librewolf. Who is successful in building?
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2023-08-21 19:48:51	NetSysFire	what do you mean it fails to build? whats the exact error?
2023-08-21 19:49:41	topcat001	erfus: For tearing on xorg you could try the amdgpu DDX (instead of the default modesetting; this needs an xorg conf snippet) and use the TearFree option; works nicely for me.
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2023-08-21 19:49:57	zxrom	ld.lld killed by OOM
2023-08-21 19:50:08	NetSysFire	thats not the full log either
2023-08-21 19:50:19	NetSysFire	do you use -j?
2023-08-21 19:50:20	topcat001	on intel I use picom
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2023-08-21 19:50:38	NetSysFire	even with intel i have tearing with picom and have to use TearFree
2023-08-21 19:50:41	zxrom	It consumes all memory and dies.
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2023-08-21 19:51:07	topcat001	NetSysFire: do you use the glx backend?
2023-08-21 19:51:13	rcf	zxrom: you don’t have enough RAM. Building a browser is a difficult task.
2023-08-21 19:51:21	NetSysFire	especially with -j
2023-08-21 19:51:21	heat	does it have LTO enabled?
2023-08-21 19:51:23	heat	probably
2023-08-21 19:51:33	NetSysFire	topcat001: yes
2023-08-21 19:51:35	zxrom	64GB is small RAM?
2023-08-21 19:51:47	heat	https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=librewolf#n71 im not fluent enough in PKGBUILD to know if its enabled by default
2023-08-21 19:51:49	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-08-21 19:51:53	NetSysFire	again, answer if you use -j for building
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2023-08-21 19:52:10	rcf	zxrom: depending on how many threads you’re using. 
2023-08-21 19:52:34	topcat001	that is quite odd, because I have so far had a 100% success rate with eliminating tearing on an intel gpu with modesetting DDX and picom, at the expense of slightly higher gpu load.
2023-08-21 19:52:49	rcf	But even for -j1, 64GB isn’t much these days for a browser build 
2023-08-21 19:52:51	topcat001	even with multiple screens
2023-08-21 19:53:00	zxrom	-j 6
2023-08-21 19:53:09	rcf	zxrom: reduce it
2023-08-21 19:53:23	demonicmaniac1	heat: it does otherwise the ulimit line wouldnt be there for lto
2023-08-21 19:53:33	zxrom	Version 115 was successfully built.
2023-08-21 19:53:38	demonicmaniac1	pgo + lto
2023-08-21 19:53:46	NetSysFire	topcat001: oh i missed the ddx part. this one i am not sure about
2023-08-21 19:53:56	NetSysFire	i dont use modesetting iirc
2023-08-21 19:54:04	rcf	zxrom: yes, and the new one is fatter. 
2023-08-21 19:54:11	topcat001	ah I know what's the problem NetSysFire!
2023-08-21 19:54:22	NetSysFire	ddx?
2023-08-21 19:54:36	zxrom	Version 115 was successfully built with 16 GB of memory.
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2023-08-21 19:55:08	zxrom	Has anyone built version 116?
2023-08-21 19:55:37	NetSysFire	have you checked the upstream bugtracker?
2023-08-21 19:55:42	topcat001	If you use the intel DDX (as do I but only some very old machines) and you have DRI3 enabled (the default), tearfree breaks "randomly" (actually due to fullscreen windows). A workaround is to restrict to DRI2. This is a known bug with intel DDX.
2023-08-21 19:55:56	NetSysFire	huh weird. i never heard of that
2023-08-21 19:56:29	NetSysFire	i didnt configure the dri version explicitely, same for ddx. both are default
2023-08-21 19:56:32	demonicmaniac1	i use the ddx because i didnt find another way to disable triple buffering
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2023-08-21 19:56:41	topcat001	let me try to find a link, but you can easily reproduce it. Restart X and move an xterm around - note no tearing...
2023-08-21 19:57:07	topcat001	then play a youtube video fullscreen, then move your xterm around and it will tear
2023-08-21 19:57:31	topcat001	(assuming here intel DDX with TearFree set)
2023-08-21 19:58:02	teraflops	jl2: I use birdtray-git with waybar
2023-08-21 19:58:18	topcat001	I find that setting DRI to 2 has no noticeable side effects but fixes the above issue.
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2023-08-21 20:04:44	docdrow	Anyone using weechat inside of tmux inside of kitty?   I keep having to hit control-L to get my screen to look right. most annoying
2023-08-21 20:05:24	NetSysFire	does weechat in just kitty work?
2023-08-21 20:05:33	docdrow	heh great idea let me try that
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2023-08-21 20:05:59	NetSysFire	kitty + weechat has an issue with emojis because wcswidth and kitty have different ideas of display length of emojis
2023-08-21 20:06:08	docdrow	yeah seems to be fine outside of tmux
2023-08-21 20:06:32	NetSysFire	what specific glitch do you have to correct by redrawing?
2023-08-21 20:06:57	docdrow	I'm using TERM=xterm-kitty outside of tmux, inside of tmux I use tmux-color256 -- but I've tried xterm-kitty inside tmux, which made no difference inside weechat
2023-08-21 20:07:21	NetSysFire	#weechat can be of help, too
2023-08-21 20:07:30	docdrow	formatting of the various boxes in weechat get out of line, hitting control_L fixes it but it eventually goes out of alignment again
2023-08-21 20:07:45	docdrow	another great idea I'll check with'em, thank you
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2023-08-21 20:15:39	topcat001	NetSysFire: This is one place where this is discussed https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96847 (comment 7 = my experience, comments 1, 5 by the DRI3 author).
2023-08-21 20:15:41	phrik	Title: 96847 – TearFree breaks when playing back videos in Firefox with GPU accelerated windows enabled in Firefox (at bugs.freedesktop.org)
2023-08-21 20:15:47	NetSysFire	cool
2023-08-21 20:15:55	topcat001	just fyi :)
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2023-08-21 20:16:07	NetSysFire	thanks for the reference
2023-08-21 20:16:11	topcat001	yw
2023-08-21 20:16:14	NetSysFire	tbh this sounds like archwiki material
2023-08-21 20:16:31	topcat001	actually there is also this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Intel_graphics#DRI3_issues
2023-08-21 20:16:32	phrik	Title: Intel graphics - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-21 20:16:49	topcat001	although the link there refers to chromium artefacts mostly
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2023-08-21 20:17:00	NetSysFire	do it!
2023-08-21 20:17:16	topcat001	you mean add a note here?
2023-08-21 20:17:28	NetSysFire	yes please
2023-08-21 20:17:31	topcat001	Sure I can :)
2023-08-21 20:17:46	NetSysFire	you know that situation better than i do but more references are great
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2023-08-21 20:20:02	e4c9cdc1	why seamonkey removed from archlinux repo?
2023-08-21 20:20:24	NetSysFire	because no one had time to maintain it likely. stuff gets dropped to aur all the time
2023-08-21 20:20:36	jelle	it was python2 only, dead and dead
2023-08-21 20:20:57	jelle	oh wow it does python3 since august of .... this year
2023-08-21 20:21:33	NetSysFire	better late than never
2023-08-21 20:22:18	e4c9cdc1	no time to maintain good thing. or even best thing among others.
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2023-08-21 20:22:41	jelle	e4c9cdc1: seamonkey is fairly obscure
2023-08-21 20:24:38	e4c9cdc1	i will consider to migrate from archlinux on BSD where  is avaialble "obscure" seamonkey.
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2023-08-21 20:26:43	demonicmaniac1	most people really dont seem to understand that archlinux is a few volunteers in their free time unpaid
2023-08-21 20:27:04	teraflops	yet one of the best linux distros out there
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2023-08-21 20:32:56	ghostbuster	screw you guys, i'm gonna start my own distro
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2023-08-21 20:34:45	⚡ 	Eisenhans glances over the distro cemetary.. archlabs..
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2023-08-21 20:50:25	alad	going from arch to bsd for an fringe browser seems excessive
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2023-08-21 20:53:24	damarusama	just created a new '/home/me/' then the system creatd a folder Desktop, Documents, Download, Pictures, Public, Templates ...
2023-08-21 20:53:32	alad	so
2023-08-21 20:53:43	damarusama	what creates that?
2023-08-21 20:53:49	alad	xdg-user-dirs{,-gtk}
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2023-08-21 20:57:13	damarusama	thanks
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2023-08-21 20:58:46	mkoskar	damarusama: you can do smt like this https://0x0.st/z466.txt ┐(ツ)┌
2023-08-21 20:59:27	Namarrgon	oooor you switch to bsd
2023-08-21 20:59:44	damarusama	heheh
2023-08-21 20:59:52	damarusama	can't I simply comment out the folder I don't want ? 
2023-08-21 21:00:06	ℹ 	ronaldo_ es conocido ahora como ronaldo
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2023-08-21 21:00:39	teraflops	you can set it to your liking and rerun the thing to take effect
2023-08-21 21:00:51	teraflops	set it up*
2023-08-21 21:03:08	damarusama	thanks!
2023-08-21 21:03:12	ayushnix	damarusama: set enabled=False in ~/.config/user-dirs.conf
2023-08-21 21:03:37	ayushnix	then change the path to whatever you want in ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
2023-08-21 21:04:34	ayushnix	or maybe these steps in reverse
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2023-08-21 21:15:55	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1399 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1398 normals)
2023-08-21 21:15:57	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-08-21 21:17:29	teraflops	damarusama: re-run the thing = xdg-user-dirs-update
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2023-08-21 21:20:32	ayjay_t	is it possible some of the packages listed by pacman -Qtd were installed as dependencies by an AUR install?
2023-08-21 21:20:44	ayjay_t	and while pacman doesn't know that the are still needed, they are infact still needed?
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2023-08-21 21:21:34	topcat001	NetSysFire: Added a new note: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Intel_graphics#With_the_Intel_driver
2023-08-21 21:21:35	phrik	Title: Intel graphics - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-08-21 21:22:57	topcat001	I notice that the modesetting DDX option "TearFree" is mentioned, but we don't have that in the package yet, right?
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2023-08-21 21:24:44	topcat001	(man modesetting does not show it, but the upstream commit did add a note to the man page)
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2023-08-21 22:10:27	throstur	erm... my /home/custompkgs/custom.db disappeared... probably when I ran out of disk space or something. Is this recoverable (used by aurutils)
2023-08-21 22:10:47	jelle	if the packages are there, yes
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2023-08-21 22:11:11	throstur	how do I generate a new custom.db?
2023-08-21 22:11:17	novns	ayjay_t, AUR helps you to build a package, when it is installed - pacman knows about this
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2023-08-21 22:11:48	jelle	throstur: repo-add custom.db.tar.gz *.pkg.tar.zst
2023-08-21 22:11:53	novns	there are no difference for pacman where a package came from
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2023-08-21 22:13:06	throstur	oh crap, /home/custompkgs is completely empty
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2023-08-21 22:16:16	gromit	throstur: you could list the packages from the custom repo (pacman -Sl custom) and rebuild your packages from there
2023-08-21 22:16:16	throstur	I guess I can pacman -
2023-08-21 22:17:02	throstur	one by one?
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2023-08-21 22:17:19	jelle	throstur: yes, unless /var/cache/pacman/pkg has it be sheer luck?
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2023-08-21 22:29:08	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-08-21 22:29:08	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1400 apodos (1 op, 0 voces, 1399 normals)
2023-08-21 22:21:17	gromit	throstur: well maybe you can feed it to "aur sync" and that does it for you ...?
2023-08-21 22:23:13	throstur	aur sync doesn't work because custom.db doesn't exist, I'm currently trying to figure out how to make an empty one
2023-08-21 22:24:00	throstur	while read -r line; do aur sync $(awk '{ print $2 }' <<< $line) ; done <<< $(pacman -Sl custom)
2023-08-21 22:24:07	throstur	after making an empty one, this seems to be doing the trick
2023-08-21 22:24:11	jelle	repo-add custom.db.tar.gz
2023-08-21 22:25:02	switchnode	is there any way to handle files with dos line endings with grep (or a grep alternative) that doesn't involve piping through stdin and thus losing filename information?
2023-08-21 22:25:21	throstur	thank you jelle and gromit 
2023-08-21 22:29:08	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-08-21 22:29:58	switchnode	ah, nvm: pcregrep with '-N anycrlf' does exactly what i want
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2023-08-21 22:31:02	ayjay_t	weird novns because i bunch of packages listed by -Qtd seem like dependencies to an AUR....
2023-08-21 22:31:14	ayjay_t	i wonder if maybe they weren't build-time dependencies
2023-08-21 22:31:23	ayjay_t	and werent removed after the build or something like that
2023-08-21 22:32:18	Namarrgon	if nothing depends on them and they are just libraries then you can remove them
2023-08-21 22:32:38	Namarrgon	look at the pacman log to see why you installed them
2023-08-21 22:33:36	novns	ayjay_t, these can be build dependencies, you installed them to build a packages, and you don't need them anymore
2023-08-21 22:39:59	alad	throstur: xargs is your friend, xargs -a <(pacman -Sl custom) aur sync
2023-08-21 22:40:14	alad	I heard a few times of custom.db disappearing or being cleared for mysterious reasons, but someone having their entire local repo cleared out is a new one
2023-08-21 22:40:17	throstur	ah... thanks alad, too bad the other one is already running x(
2023-08-21 22:40:40	throstur	for context, my hard drive filled up by something caching excessively, I'm thinking skype, discord, thunderbird or all three
2023-08-21 22:40:46	alad	xargs just prevents having a view prompt for every package, since it only runs aur-sync once instead of once per package
2023-08-21 22:40:54	alad	rip
2023-08-21 22:41:00	throstur	oh... that's a good idea then, I'll rerun it
2023-08-21 22:41:14	alad	still not sure how that leads to deletion of files, unless you use something like btrfs
2023-08-21 22:41:52	throstur	I have no idea either, all of my speculations are baseless at this point
2023-08-21 22:42:17	throstur	oh crud, shouldn't have stopped that old run, pacman -Sl custom doesn't return that same list
2023-08-21 22:42:36	alad	D:
2023-08-21 22:42:40	throstur	ah whatever... I guess I'll have some problems to fix later... lol!
2023-08-21 22:43:06	throstur	the joys of Arch, eh
2023-08-21 22:43:12	alad	if the packages in your local repos were installed as well, they will now be foreign
2023-08-21 22:43:17	alad	so you can list them with pacman -Qq
2023-08-21 22:45:33	throstur	thanks!
2023-08-21 22:51:37	throstur	man Pacman -Qq is a huge list though
2023-08-21 22:51:58	throstur	can I list only foreign packages somehow?
2023-08-21 22:52:38	throstur	-Qm seems to do it
2023-08-22 00:07:10	Chargen	hello heas
2023-08-22 00:07:12	Chargen	heaps
2023-08-22 00:09:07	gromit	!give Chargen welcome
2023-08-22 00:09:08	phrik	Chargen: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2023-08-22 00:10:57	Chargen	to what extend do you mean :)
2023-08-22 00:12:00	Chargen	Oh I suddenly got lib32-zlib < 1.3 not available messages but I sorted it out hopefully. I'm hosting multi for some reason I forgot
2023-08-22 00:13:40	Chargen	phrik: I want to learn from the people whats good with RT kernel, in contrast with generic RT I mean : booster what is the difference (did not google yt, want to hear it first)
2023-08-22 00:13:40	phrik	Chargen: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
2023-08-22 00:16:02	gromit	Chargen: phrik is a bot :) 
2023-08-22 00:16:10	Chargen	isee silly me
2023-08-22 00:16:10	gromit	phrik: are you a bot? 
2023-08-22 00:16:10	phrik	Greatfully false...
2023-08-22 00:16:17	Chargen	ok thanks :)
2023-08-22 00:18:56	throstur	phrik: calculate pi ** (1/2)
2023-08-22 00:18:57	phrik	throstur: Is that… Is that really a word?
2023-08-22 00:19:16	throstur	see, a non-bot would have said that the square root of pi is around 1.77245385099
2023-08-22 00:30:59	arno	Do you know if a certificate registered with https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_Security_Services will be recognized by openSSL library?
2023-08-22 00:31:00	phrik	Title: Network Security Services - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-22 00:39:11	Chargen	re hello heaps
2023-08-22 03:30:42	snappy	is there a way to setup usb drives to automount when inserted? Or is that more of a gnome/ubuntu kind of thing?
2023-08-22 03:31:10	ik3da	fstab?
2023-08-22 03:31:36	ik3da	just set it up in the fstab by uuid i'd say
2023-08-22 03:35:30	snappy	oh hm, i like the idea of just any drive being mounted
2023-08-22 03:35:45	snappy	though i can be convinced this is a terrible idea
2023-08-22 06:52:26	jenia2	Hello. Why is our wiki has no black theme? 
2023-08-22 06:52:31	jenia2	does*
2023-08-22 06:53:34	ik3da	just browse via lynx and every website is dark themed
2023-08-22 06:53:40	jenia2	hahaha
2023-08-22 06:53:41	jenia2	:)
2023-08-22 06:56:43	Chargen	lol
2023-08-22 06:57:31	ik3da	;D
2023-08-22 06:57:43	ik3da	wouldn't be an unwelcome addition
2023-08-22 06:57:59	ik3da	considering the time i spend on that dang wiki
2023-08-22 06:58:47	Chargen	out of curiosity I test it with links(II)
2023-08-22 07:09:19	Pikk3wyn	what is the shiny new aur helper these days? 
2023-08-22 07:10:02	dviola	yay it seems but I prefer using makepkg without one
2023-08-22 07:11:13	Pikk3wyn	ah, was wondering since I noticed rua and aurutils, havent read the page in a bit
2023-08-22 07:11:26	Pikk3wyn	been using yay/manual for ages
2023-08-22 07:13:20	dviola	ah, I didn't know about those
2023-08-22 07:14:40	archdemon	yay is a good one
2023-08-22 07:15:44	Pikk3wyn	would use bauerbill if it had proper diff view etc
2023-08-22 07:16:58	Gnana_	dviola: how manage updates?
2023-08-22 07:17:06	Gnana_	how you manage updates?
2023-08-22 07:17:54	Pikk3wyn	yay has an interactive mode with Syu to choose which get updated
2023-08-22 07:17:58	Pikk3wyn	but it is a bit of a hassle
2023-08-22 07:18:49	Pikk3wyn	how do you guys do it?
2023-08-22 07:19:10	Gnana_	yay
2023-08-22 07:20:34	Gnana_	How many days it takes the pakcage of aur to get into pacman repos?
2023-08-22 07:25:29	Gnana_	Don't know what im asking.
2023-08-22 07:26:06	lighterowl	I'm not sure if there's a hard rule on that.
2023-08-22 07:27:34	Chargen	is there anything with lib32-zlib < v1.3 , pikaur,yay things cant find it
2023-08-22 07:28:37	Gnana_	Chargen: what package you trying to find?
2023-08-22 07:29:12	lighterowl	Chargen: lib32-zlib 1.3 is in testing, perhaps disable it for now so you can install what you're trying to. normal multilib has 1.2.13.
2023-08-22 07:29:47	Gnana_	dont use #testingRepos it might break your system.
2023-08-22 07:31:27	Chargen	thanks lighterowl 
2023-08-22 07:31:49	Chargen	I'm edging on testing so that makes sense now
2023-08-22 08:14:52	jelle	Gnana_: not all AUr packages will ever enter into the repo
2023-08-22 09:14:44	rabbitnightmare	stay the hell away from corsair aio coolers if you use Linux
2023-08-22 09:14:51	rabbitnightmare	that was scary
2023-08-22 09:15:11	rabbitnightmare	not only are their fans incompatible with Linux the pumps they use seem to be as well
2023-08-22 09:15:37	rabbitnightmare	idk how they did it considering its pwm controlled, but my PC shut off because the pump shut off when using Linux
2023-08-22 09:17:12	uuidNuniq	rabbitnightmare: if your BIOS can't control it, then you need lm-sensors which has a script called fancontrol
2023-08-22 09:17:42	rabbitnightmare	I replaced it with an MSI one and it works fine
2023-08-22 09:18:12	rabbitnightmare	uuidNuniq strange that they would go and be different on purpose like that
2023-08-22 09:20:57	jelle	https://github.com/liquidctl/liquidctl
2023-08-22 09:21:29	rabbitnightmare	jelle wish I had known this yesterday when I was asking about my fans running at 200rpms lol
2023-08-22 09:21:44	jelle	it took me < 1min to find it
2023-08-22 09:21:52	rabbitnightmare	all good I drove 2 hours and replaced it with an MSI aio cooler
2023-08-22 09:22:40	rabbitnightmare	I load up S-TUI and hit send and the fans speed up and it stays right at 60c
2023-08-22 09:23:01	rabbitnightmare	the pump vibrates as it should etc
2023-08-22 09:23:04	jelle	heck even https://www.phoronix.com/news/NZXT-Kraken2-AIO-Driver
2023-08-22 09:23:05	phrik	Title: NZXT Kraken Liquid Cooler Driver Under Review For The Linux Kernel - Phoronix (at www.phoronix.com)
2023-08-22 09:23:05	zxrom	On my laptop in ArchLinux, I can't build librewolf. Who is successful in building?
2023-08-22 09:24:41	rabbitnightmare	jelle where were you yesterday :-P oh well
2023-08-22 09:25:01	rabbitnightmare	works fine now
2023-08-22 09:25:30	rabbitnightmare	it shouldnt be that hard to run a pump and fan via pwm and temp controls
2023-08-22 09:28:39	jelle	I am always here... does not mean I am here to respond to everything 
2023-08-22 09:28:42	rabbitnightmare	it was strange in my bios I could set a fan curve, and I would boot into Arch (Debian as well, Linux Mint was also tested) and the fans would spin so slow you could see the corsair logo and the pump was dead silent. As I was sitting here editing a photo in gimp, the PC shut off! Windows seemed to work fine with it, and I asked several times for
2023-08-22 09:28:42	rabbitnightmare	help to no avail. I had a limited amount of time in Linux before the PC would shut off. So it was really annoying.
2023-08-22 09:33:14	gromit	zxrom: there is librewolf-bin, also you have to be a bit more explicit about the error to get actual help
2023-08-22 09:33:44	gromit	zxrom: maybe also try building it in a clean chroot? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:Building_in_a_clean_chroot
2023-08-22 09:33:45	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:Building in a clean chroot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-22 09:34:53	jelle	yesterday the issue was linking, today no context :)
2023-08-22 09:35:30	jelle	rabbitnightmare: so in bios they pump would not work and if you'd run a memtest it would just overheat? That sounds very strange, either way can't fault you for buying something which works out of the box
2023-08-22 09:36:25	rabbitnightmare	all good, simple replacement at the localish best buy
2023-08-22 09:36:33	rabbitnightmare	life goeth on
2023-08-22 09:36:45	rabbitnightmare	sorry for no context I was racing the clock
2023-08-22 09:37:44	jelle	rabbitnightmare: hmm didn't mean you for the context :)
2023-08-22 09:37:49	rabbitnightmare	I would set the fan curve in the bios and it would allow me to manually control it, but the moment I booted into Linux, whether the Arch USB or to my normal KDE Plasma desktop, it would spin down and begin to heat up
2023-08-22 09:38:33	rabbitnightmare	at first I assumed this as normal "I guess its just a quiet cooler"
2023-08-22 09:39:25	rabbitnightmare	there is an appimage of librewolf floating around, it is a 3rd party build of it but I use it
2023-08-22 09:39:49	rabbitnightmare	I guess its official now, https://librewolf.net/installation/linux/
2023-08-22 09:39:49	phrik	Title: Other Linux Installation – LibreWolf (at librewolf.net)
2023-08-22 09:41:13	rabbitnightmare	why compile it, just ensure you have fuse installed and use the appimage
2023-08-22 09:42:24	zxrom	gromit, Thanks.
2023-08-22 09:44:23	rabbitnightmare	the -bin of librewolf is compiled in India by a 3rd party and you dont get to see the code within it, so using the appimage is safest
2023-08-22 09:44:45	rabbitnightmare	just be aware
2023-08-22 09:45:07	rabbitnightmare	nobody reported any suspicious behavior on librewolf-bin but I dont trust it
2023-08-22 09:52:39	gloomy	Hi, might be a bit overly specific but maybe there's some belgians here. I am trying to use my eID card to sign a document. It worked in the past, but now it no longer does: first I am asked for the pin: https://i.imgur.com/Xyqmd0F.png (similar to what I remember),  but then when I enter it, I am asked for the pin again by a weirdly themed dialog (that prevents me from teracting with anything
2023-08-22 09:52:39	gloomy	else on my screen? really weird): https://i.imgur.com/r6RNy6h.
2023-08-22 09:52:40	gloomy	png
2023-08-22 09:53:01	gloomy	https://i.imgur.com/r6RNy6h.png (second link got split)
2023-08-22 09:53:23	gloomy	and when I enter it again, nothing happens
2023-08-22 09:53:38	gloomy	any idea? also just as to what that second dialog is?
2023-08-22 10:06:09	gloomy	Managed to find out that the second dialog is created by pinentry-gtk-2, not sure why though.
2023-08-22 10:14:15	NetSysFire	sounds like something changed in firefox
2023-08-22 10:18:34	gloomy	Saw something about that too but I tried just accessing my id with eid-viewer, and I get the same weird input dialog (which I'm 98% sure didn't look like that last time I tried a couple of months ago), and ater I enter my pin the eid-viewer says it's invalid (I'm 99.9% sure it's correct)
2023-08-22 10:21:56	kevku	the first one is from opensc and the another one if from an addon?
2023-08-22 10:24:21	kevku	afaik the firefox pkcs-opensc is only used for auth using TLS-CCA and not for siging documents
2023-08-22 10:24:37	gloomy	kevku: addon? 
2023-08-22 10:24:55	gloomy	both are shown when I try to test on firefox (without success)
2023-08-22 10:25:19	kevku	test what? sign or auth?
2023-08-22 10:25:20	gloomy	If I try to sign a document on okular or just try to test my pin on the viewer, just the second input dialog is shown 
2023-08-22 10:25:58	gloomy	Ehm, not sure, it's a website by the belgian gov to test if the eID plugin works. I assume it's auth.
2023-08-22 10:26:44	kevku	do they use a browser extension?
2023-08-22 10:27:37	gloomy	When I use eid-viewer to test my pin, I get the same dialog, then after entering my pin I get this: https://i.imgur.com/EGCZOOi.png and then finally https://i.imgur.com/w7VJ8kY.png saying the pin is incorrect (it's not)
2023-08-22 10:27:45	gloomy	kevku: yes.
2023-08-22 10:28:17	grom358	i have been stuck for hours now.. i can't get certbot to work . I can't get SSL to work.. I can't get cloudfare proxy to work against my site either
2023-08-22 10:28:42	grom358	setting up SSL myself i get SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG .
2023-08-22 10:28:49	kevku	try removing the pkcs module from firefox security devices
2023-08-22 10:29:11	grom358	i tried self signed certs.. I have tried downloading origin certs from cloudfare
2023-08-22 10:30:26	gloomy	kevku: I doubt it has anything to do with firefox since the same thing happens on okular and with the eid-viewer program...
2023-08-22 10:30:47	grom358	i can access my site via http (port 80) fine
2023-08-22 10:31:11	NetSysFire	then check pacman.log for any suspicious packages that may be the cause. it is likely a regression
2023-08-22 10:32:23	kevku	not sure some goverment it even knows about okular
2023-08-22 10:34:04	NetSysFire	i didnt mean malicious with suspicious. i specifically mean a possible target to try and downgrade to see if it resolves it
2023-08-22 10:35:08	kevku	i downloaded their source and see they use a custom pkcs11 lib yeah thats a headache
2023-08-22 10:35:25	NetSysFire	wait okular or firefox? sounds like firefox
2023-08-22 10:35:30	gloomy	kevku: isn't that the browser extension though? 
2023-08-22 10:35:33	NetSysFire	but even if eid-viewer fails
2023-08-22 10:38:35	kevku	the ubuntu binaries likely dont like arch libs
2023-08-22 10:39:42	gloomy	none of the direct suspect (afaik) seem to have been upgraded recently, https://gist.github.com/ldorigo/85bcccd0f42a30ddcf4ea8ac26fbfa90 full list of changes in the last ~3 weeks (since the problem started) if ayone has the courage to sift through
2023-08-22 10:43:05	gloomy	ugh, tried with another cli tool ad I get "
2023-08-22 10:43:06	gloomy	error: PKCS11 function C_Login failed: rv = CKR_PIN_LOCKED (0xa4)
2023-08-22 10:43:08	gloomy	Aborting
2023-08-22 10:43:45	gloomy	(sorry for the multiline paste) so I guess that's related. Although I'm again 99% sure that I never entered the wrong pin... well.
2023-08-22 10:44:45	NetSysFire	yes but you have to identify which library or module all these tools have in common
2023-08-22 10:45:00	NetSysFire	also try to test your id on another machine as a sanity check
2023-08-22 10:52:27	Fr0stBit	Hello
2023-08-22 10:53:15	NetSysFire	!welcomerpg
2023-08-22 10:53:16	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux - How can we assist you?
2023-08-22 10:54:22	Fr0stBit	I've read the fontconfig manpage and I have some questions
2023-08-22 10:54:36	BrainDamage	did the fontconfig read you back?
2023-08-22 10:55:10	Fr0stBit	As this post says: https://eev.ee/blog/2015/05/20/i-stared-into-the-fontconfig-and-the-fontconfig-stared-back-at-me/
2023-08-22 10:55:11	phrik	Title: I stared into the fontconfig, and the fontconfig stared back at me / fuzzy notepad (at eev.ee)
2023-08-22 10:55:49	Fr0stBit	first question: https://paste.linux.chat/?a22cd0c92859f004#4mzY8bP7VT27HwEF4g4DiFXCZNLWg2EjqjyagkLQppnb
2023-08-22 10:55:51	phrik	Title: Linux.Chat PrivateBin (at paste.linux.chat)
2023-08-22 10:59:23	Fr0stBit	second question: In an <alias>, are <prefer>'d families practically 'overrides', <accept>'ed families practically 'fallbacks' and <default> families practically 'last fallbacks for the specified <family> in <alias>
2023-08-22 11:01:39	Traneptora	oo, when did the welcome message stop saying "tell us how you fucked up?"
2023-08-22 11:05:56	gromit	Traneptora: !welcomerpg does varying output, !welcome is what you mean ;) 
2023-08-22 11:06:02	gromit	!welcomerpg
2023-08-22 11:06:03	phrik	Greetings, observer of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get ruined today?
2023-08-22 11:06:04	gromit	!welcome
2023-08-22 11:06:05	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2023-08-22 11:06:15	Traneptora	ah, never mind
2023-08-22 11:06:21	Traneptora	looks like the classic is here
2023-08-22 11:14:14	Tom^	!factinfo welcome
2023-08-22 11:14:14	phrik	Tom^: welcome: Created by GodGinrai on 2016-08-03T16:42:12+0000. Last modified by alad on 2021-10-07T18:44:43+0000. Last requested by gromit!~gromit@archlinux/package-maintainer/gromit on 2023-08-22T09:06:04+0000, requested 2781 times. Locked by alad on 2021-10-07T18:44:54+0000.
2023-08-22 11:30:04	⚡ 	floyd greets everyone
2023-08-22 11:30:54	NetSysFire	!welcomerpg
2023-08-22 11:30:54	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux - How can we assist you?
2023-08-22 11:31:21	floyd	just here to watch and learn thank you
2023-08-22 11:32:22	NetSysFire	!alfa
2023-08-22 11:32:23	phrik	https://haavard.me/files/alfa.pdf
2023-08-22 11:32:28	NetSysFire	just have this ready for when it happens
2023-08-22 11:32:55	floyd	haha cool thank you 
2023-08-22 11:54:00	tralala	for some reason my ~/.bashrc isn't being executed anymore. Does anyone have an idea why that might be?
2023-08-22 11:54:48	grawity	did you remove the line from ~/.[bash_]profile that loads it
2023-08-22 11:56:17	tralala	I don't have ~/.[bash_]profile
2023-08-22 11:57:58	grawity	then there's nothing that would tell bash to execute .bashrc at login time
2023-08-22 11:58:08	grawity	by default .bashrc is strictly for non-'login' shells
2023-08-22 11:59:42	tralala	oh, I didn't know that. Has something changed recently? It used to work.
2023-08-22 11:59:53	grawity	no, it's been like that for as long as bash has existed
2023-08-22 12:00:03	grawity	either you have a ~/.profile that tells it to load .bashrc
2023-08-22 12:00:07	grawity	or you have a ~/.bash_profile that does the same
2023-08-22 12:00:17	grawity	or, I suppose, a ~/.bash_login that does exactly the same
2023-08-22 12:00:35	grawity	if you don't have any of the above, then non-login shells load .bashrc but login shells don't
2023-08-22 12:00:55	tralala	well, renaming it to .bash_profile is getting the job done. Thank you, grawity!
2023-08-22 12:01:09	grawity	now non-login shells won't find it but ok
2023-08-22 12:02:16	tralala	it contains nothing that's specific for non-login shells
2023-08-22 12:02:23	tralala	just a bunch of aliases
2023-08-22 12:02:51	Traneptora	wouldn't aliases need to be in every shell
2023-08-22 12:03:09	grawity	exactly, yeah
2023-08-22 12:03:30	grawity	specific or not, doesn't matter if non-login shells won't be *looking* in the new location
2023-08-22 12:04:17	tralala	so do you recommend sourcing .bashrc from .bash_profile?
2023-08-22 12:04:32	Traneptora	that's what people typically do yes
2023-08-22 12:05:03	Traneptora	[ -f "${HOME}/.bashrc" ] && . "${HOME}/.bashrc"
2023-08-22 12:06:01	tralala	alright, thank you!
2023-08-22 12:10:13	invra	hello guys i am having trouble with gdm displaying a black screen when coming back from suspend. I have to open a tty and restart gdm to get it to work. this is part of the logs: https://dpaste.com//FVJVHB4FS
2023-08-22 12:51:13	susi	tralala: you have /etc/skel/.bash_profile I suppose? you must have removed it from your home then, or created user manually
2023-08-22 12:53:17	tralala	susi, yes I do. It was probably deleted by mistake at some point.
2023-08-22 12:54:03	susi	tralala: just copy /etc/skel/.bash_profile to your ~ and chown it to your_user:users
2023-08-22 12:55:17	tralala	OK, thank you susi!
2023-08-22 13:55:09	stefanc_diff66	abc123
2023-08-22 13:55:21	NetSysFire	!welcomerpg
2023-08-22 13:55:22	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux - How can we assist you?
2023-08-22 13:55:56	stefanc_diff66	sorry mistyped in the wrong window
2023-08-22 13:56:17	shmoo	another perfectly good password, ruined. 
2023-08-22 13:56:25	coruja	stefanc_diff66: better change your password now
2023-08-22 13:56:37	shmoo	hunter2
2023-08-22 13:56:50	stefanc_diff66	hahaha no this one is complex enough !
2023-08-22 13:57:51	NetSysFire	what you didnt see: lots of tabs and spaces and other invisible whitespace
2023-08-22 13:58:01	NetSysFire	plenty of complexity in that abc123
2023-08-22 13:58:22	shmoo	NetSysFire: It's all padding tho
2023-08-22 13:58:48	NetSysFire	nah
2023-08-22 13:58:56	NetSysFire	you can actually have whitespace in passwords
2023-08-22 14:02:52	agowa338	Hi, does anyone know what a typical migration path would be to get from LVM+BTRFS to something that I could attach as a disk to KVM/libvirtd VMs on another host?
2023-08-22 14:05:22	stefanc_diff	agowa338: your question deserves to have more detail. How do you want to attach remote disks on another host ?
2023-08-22 14:07:19	agowa338	I currently have a NAS with LVM+BTRFS, but I'd like to end up at something that allows me to attach what currently is a folder as a disk to VMs but on another host. I guess I need something like glusterfs, iscsi, or NFS, but I don't know what exactly I need to be able to have the data but as a disk within the VM...
2023-08-22 14:08:38	agowa338	I looked at "disk type=dir" from libvirt, it is almost what I want, but it is ugly and doesn't allow for read-write access. So basically I'm looking for something like it but with read-write access and in "production ready"
2023-08-22 14:18:51	stefanc_diff	agowa338: if you need "production ready" then you need a block filesystem offered by something like glusterfs, openebs ... etc . If you need something for testing that isn't considered production you can get away with NFS.
2023-08-22 14:33:58	agowa338	stefanc_diff: Is there a good migration path to glusterfs or openebs from "just a folder on BTRFS"? Or do I have to set it up in parallel and copy everything over?
2023-08-22 15:17:25	domino14	should i always restart computer after doing pacman -Syu? or maybe just if tehre's a kernel update? or what's best
2023-08-22 15:18:35	Namarrgon	except for the kernel you can restart everything else without rebooting. rebooting might be still faster than to manually restart everything, though.
2023-08-22 15:22:21	agowa338	domino14: Only for kernel updates, but also only if you want to load a new kernel module afterward. And that is also only as long as you didn't deploy the necessary hook that makes it work again.
2023-08-22 15:23:21	another|	Whenever I update there's a kernel update anyways. So I just reboot
2023-08-22 15:23:23	agowa338	(ok, and except for glibc sometimes, ...)
2023-08-22 15:25:03	agowa338	another|: Look at "kernel-modules-hook", that may save you from having to reboot every time immediately, but you'd obv. not get the new features and fixes of the newer kernel version until rebooted.
2023-08-22 15:25:18	domino14	ty
2023-08-22 15:26:40	another|	No thanks. I'm fine with rebooting once or twice a month
2023-08-22 15:28:00	agowa338	I tend to mindlessly run "pacman -Syu" at times when I don't really want to reboot, so that hook is very important for me. But ymmv
2023-08-22 15:32:05	another|	My mileage does vary
2023-08-22 15:36:47	agowa338	But thanks you both for the reminder, I wanted to make a feature request about this being integrated (or at least referenced as optional dependency) within the linux package and completely forgot about it until now. https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/79441
2023-08-22 15:36:49	phrik	Title: FS#79441 : Add "kernel-modules-hook" as optional dependency or integrate (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-08-22 15:38:32	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-08-22 15:44:03	Vorpal	I'm trying to run an old program that is apparently looking for /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer for sound. Is there some sort of emulation layer that can be enabled to make that work with modern sound systems (I use PipeWire)
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2023-08-22 15:46:09	Edu4rdSHL	Just use another program that is up to date?
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2023-08-22 15:48:07	agowa338	Yes there are compatibility layers, they work by replacing libraries as far as I know, but I didn't look that closely into it. Look for ALSA and PulseAudio using PipeWire. It should be in the wiki
2023-08-22 15:48:21	Vorpal	Edu4rdSHL: don't know that there exist any emulators for classic MacOS that are up-to-date
2023-08-22 15:48:24	Vorpal	so not an option
2023-08-22 15:48:58	Vorpal	I'm trying to use SheepShaver
2023-08-22 15:49:22	lighterowl	/dev/dsp and /dev/mixer is OSS, not sure if there's an emulation layer
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2023-08-22 15:50:00	lighterowl	perhaps you could get away with pipewire to alsa to oss
2023-08-22 15:50:31	Vorpal	lighterowl: hm interesting. So I need to look for OSS to ALSA translation then. Thanks.
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2023-08-22 15:53:42	lighterowl	Vorpal: depending on the application, it might be easier to maybe try installing an era-appropriate distribution in a VM? 
2023-08-22 15:53:45	Vorpal	apparently it can also be build with support for esd instead. Now that is a name I haven't heard in ages!
2023-08-22 15:53:50	lighterowl	oh wow
2023-08-22 15:53:53	agowa338	Here is the wiki page for emulating OSS using PulseAudio: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PulseAudio#OSS
2023-08-22 15:53:54	phrik	Title: PulseAudio - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-22 15:53:55	lighterowl	legacy sound systems at its finest
2023-08-22 15:54:02	lighterowl	*their
2023-08-22 15:54:13	Vorpal	agowa338: thanks!
2023-08-22 15:54:30	lighterowl	agowa338: the question is whether that's OSSv4 or OSSv3 which Vorpal's application is likely using
2023-08-22 15:54:48	lighterowl	AFAIR they weren't compatible but it's been so long ago that my memory might be wrong
2023-08-22 15:54:48	Vorpal	the other issue is that this program also expects to be able to map and use the zero-page. Fun. I do seem to remember there was a sysctl to allow that...
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2023-08-22 15:55:56	agowa338	maybe put it into a KVM/QEMU VM then, probably easier to just use an hardware emulator and an older kernel to begin with?
2023-08-22 15:55:57	ℹ 	luxzi_ es conocido ahora como luxzi
2023-08-22 15:56:08	lighterowl	yeah I'd be leaning that way too
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2023-08-22 15:57:27	Vorpal	hm, emulation inception
2023-08-22 15:58:20	Vorpal	the thing is on AUR, you would *think* it should be possible to make it actually work. Had to mess with the PKGBUILD (!lto, CXXFLAGS) to get it to even build. Should have been a warning flag...
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2023-08-22 15:58:42	lighterowl	well don't keep us waiting
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2023-08-22 15:59:26	Vorpal	lighterowl: huh? I assume this is some idiom that passed over my head (I'm not a native speaker)
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2023-08-22 15:59:37	lighterowl	Vorpal: tell us what it is :)
2023-08-22 15:59:55	Vorpal	right, I'll get back to you once I figure out how to make it work.
2023-08-22 16:00:00	lighterowl	okay
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2023-08-22 16:05:21	rgallaispou	Hi guys, since a few days, after a general upgrade of my system, XDM seems to take quite some time to display anything. The systemd service I use is enabled and works correctly according to the logs, so I don't have any errors. I backuped the pacman logs just after the update to keep a trace of the dependancies updated, but except for systemd, which I already downgraded to test, I don't quite
2023-08-22 16:05:22	rgallaispou	know what to look into to get a serious lead. Would you have any ideas ? 
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2023-08-22 16:06:39	Edu4rdSHL	The first thing I would do, is replace XDM with a decent display manager, honestly
2023-08-22 16:07:12	Edu4rdSHL	Also, are you sure it's XDM and not what it is launching?
2023-08-22 16:07:38	agowa338	look at "systemd-analyze critical-chain" and "systemd-analyze --user critical-chain", maybe some service is delaying everyhting? I suspect wait-for-network-online or something.
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2023-08-22 16:09:55	rgallaispou	lol I know XDM is quite old, I use it because of its lightweight
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2023-08-22 16:11:46	rgallaispou	It takes more than 52 seconds to start
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2023-08-22 16:12:32	agowa338	I had a similar issue recently using SDDM (the KDE one), it was caused by a systemd service namely the resume one for libvirtd and a VM that has a bunch of hardware passthrough which delayed login for almost a minute while the VM resumed...
2023-08-22 16:13:07	agowa338	That's why I recommended running the two systemd-analyze commands above.
2023-08-22 16:13:19	rgallaispou	Can I paste the result here ?
2023-08-22 16:13:29	rgallaispou	I don't have any virtual machine
2023-08-22 16:13:34	Edu4rdSHL	Use a paste service
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2023-08-22 16:13:46	rgallaispou	But, maybe something odd with dbus
2023-08-22 16:13:49	rgallaispou	Okay
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2023-08-22 16:14:06	agowa338	dbus will show up in the analyze as well.
2023-08-22 16:14:53	agowa338	(at least partially, native dbus services won't, but everything that is linked to systemd services will)
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2023-08-22 16:16:40	Vorpal	lighterowl: "sysctl vm.mmap_min_addr=0" worked for the ram thing. Running the OS installer now, but haven't heard any sound. Will have to test once the OS is installed
2023-08-22 16:17:17	rgallaispou	Okay, here it is
2023-08-22 16:17:20	rgallaispou	https://paste.debian.net/1289685/
2023-08-22 16:17:25	phrik	Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)
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2023-08-22 16:20:00	Vorpal	lighterowl: aoss seems to work at least, had to change the output device inside the emulation back and forth, so that was a confounding factor
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2023-08-22 16:20:48	agowa338	what is "xdm-new-archlinux.service"? That's not what's in the package. That'd be either "xdm.service" or "xdm-archlinux.service". Do you have dupplicate services or created your own?
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2023-08-22 16:22:05	agowa338	This should be the correct service: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/xdm-archlinux/ I don't know what you're currently using. Maybe compare with the one from that package?
2023-08-22 16:22:07	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - xdm-archlinux 0.7-2 (any) (at archlinux.org)
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2023-08-22 16:24:50	rgallaispou	It is my own, highly based on the xdm-archlinux.service. The mechanics are the same, the only thing which changed is the aesthetics. So it basically launch the same thing.
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2023-08-22 16:25:12	rgallaispou	The other one is deactivated, same as xdm.service
2023-08-22 16:30:54	agowa338	Sadly it's not another unit blocking, it is xdm itself. You already tried looking into "journalctl --unit 'xdm-new-archlinux.service'" I assume? Then the next step would be trying to get more verbose logging of xdm or recompile it using debug flags to see what it does and where exactly it gets stuck or what it is waiting for.
2023-08-22 16:30:58	Vorpal	lighterowl: padsp also works, but has broken tab completion for me in zsh, so I'll stick with aoss
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2023-08-22 16:33:50	rgallaispou	yup, and there is no warnings or errors showing in journalctl
2023-08-22 16:34:03	rgallaispou	I'll try with a more verbose mode
2023-08-22 16:37:26	Namarrgon	do the units shipped with the arch package work?
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2023-08-22 16:50:03	rgallaispou	Namarrgon: you mean xdm.service and xdm-archlinux.service ?
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2023-08-22 16:51:17	Namarrgon	rgallaispou: yes
2023-08-22 16:52:00	rgallaispou	I'm about to test them, but I'll need to reboot
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2023-08-22 16:53:31	rgallaispou	I'll tell you in a minute
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2023-08-22 17:06:59	rgallaispou	Namarrgin: So the answer is yes, I get the same behavior with xdm.service and xdm-archlinux.service with each around 52.6s to start
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2023-08-22 17:08:43	mpan	rgallaispou: [a hint] in most clients you can type the first few letters of a nick and press TAB to auto-complete the name. :)
2023-08-22 17:09:21	rgallaispou	mpan: mmmmh nice, 
2023-08-22 17:09:22	mpan	… thus preventing marginalizing of Nams. ;)
2023-08-22 17:09:37	rgallaispou	Namarrgon: sorry, I messed up your name :)
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2023-08-22 17:11:41	rgallaispou	mpan: and it's been quite a while that I use weechat, my life is gonna be so much better :D
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2023-08-22 17:17:27	tux	hello
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2023-08-22 17:18:08	Namarrgon	rgallaispou: can you post the journal for the unit?
2023-08-22 17:18:23	tux	I just read about btrfs and discard storm. When I execute `sudo dmesg | grep btrfs`, this is the output: https://rentry.co/archlinuxdiscordstorm . Judging by that log, do I have that issue?
2023-08-22 17:18:25	phrik	Title: [ 2.590319] Btrfs loaded, zoned=yes, fsverity=yes (at rentry.co)
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2023-08-22 17:19:21	tux	my nvme m.2 ssd does not have any LEDs, so it's hard for me to test as described online  
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2023-08-22 17:21:20	Namarrgon	tux: uname -r
2023-08-22 17:21:29	tux	Namarrgon:  6.4.11-arch2-1
2023-08-22 17:21:50	Namarrgon	wasn't that issue addressed in 6.2 already?
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2023-08-22 17:25:30	tux	I'm not sure, I really need to start reading the arch news more often
2023-08-22 17:25:52	Namarrgon	the arch news won't cover small fry like that
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2023-08-22 17:27:51	tux	Namarrgon: well I think this is solved then, thank you and have a nice day (:
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2023-08-22 17:28:54	Namarrgon	https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v6.x/ChangeLog-6.2.13
2023-08-22 17:29:04	Namarrgon	"btrfs: set default discard iops_limit to 1000"
2023-08-22 17:29:07	rgallaispou	Sorry, I got disconnected
2023-08-22 17:29:12	rgallaispou	https://paste.debian.net/1289692/
2023-08-22 17:29:17	phrik	Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)
2023-08-22 17:29:22	rgallaispou	Namarrgon: Here it is
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2023-08-22 17:30:55	Namarrgon	does xdm ever hang similarly when you restart the unit after bootup?
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2023-08-22 17:32:41	Namarrgon	did you add the gpu drivers to the initramfs?
2023-08-22 17:33:19	Namarrgon	or are you using the kms initcpio hook?
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2023-08-22 17:33:57	chiselfuse	has anyone using a minimal WM figured out how to make Chromium dark?
2023-08-22 17:34:50	chiselfuse	and i mean chrome://settings look dark. it isn't determined by either GTK or qt theme, there's something else
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2023-08-22 17:35:35	chiselfuse	since last update it's just light by default and i can't figure out what makes it dark
2023-08-22 17:36:02	rgallaispou	Namarrgon: I don't have GPU, I got a Elitebook 8470p, so no NVidia drivers. The only thing that I would require would be i915 drivers
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2023-08-22 17:36:14	chiselfuse	on DEs like GNOME or KDE you can make it dark by setting that switch, which i don't know what it does
2023-08-22 17:36:18	rgallaispou	I'm using the KMS hook
2023-08-22 17:37:16	jelle	chiselfuse: no, not on gnome
2023-08-22 17:37:31	grawity	chiselfuse: these days – xdg-desktop-portal-something, usually
2023-08-22 17:37:43	grawity	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_Desktop_Portal#List_of_backends_and_interfaces
2023-08-22 17:37:44	phrik	Title: XDG Desktop Portal - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-08-22 17:37:53	grawity	I recall there was one specifically for "small" environments
2023-08-22 17:37:56	grawity	the -xapp one, maybe
2023-08-22 17:37:59	jelle	grawity: as far as I know chromium still looks at the adwaita theme
2023-08-22 17:38:18	chiselfuse	jelle: i have gnome on another laptop and firefox switches light/dark accordingly, are you sure Chromium doesn't?
2023-08-22 17:38:21	jelle	but switching pages does indeed work via gnome's theme switcher
2023-08-22 17:38:41	chiselfuse	jelle: theme != "dark/light setting"
2023-08-22 17:38:42	grawity	jelle: as in, directly via gsettings?
2023-08-22 17:38:56	rgallaispou	Namarrgon: My bad, I don't have i915 in mkinitcpio.conf, but the module is still loaded AFAIK
2023-08-22 17:39:01	jelle	chiselfuse: I am aware?
2023-08-22 17:39:23	rgallaispou	Namarrgon: At least I see it with lsmod
2023-08-22 17:40:13	chiselfuse	grawity: so what would i do to set dark mode after i install xd-desktop-portal thing?
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2023-08-22 17:40:21	jelle	grawity: yup, I still have gsettings', 'set', 'org.gnome.desktop.interface', 'gtk-theme', Adwaita-dark
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2023-08-22 17:40:50	grawity	not even org.gnome.desktop.interface color-scheme?
2023-08-22 17:41:18	jelle	grawity: hmmm, I think that works for changing websites
2023-08-22 17:41:31	jelle	grawity: but not the GTK-like window
2023-08-22 17:41:38	jelle	yup, just tested :)
2023-08-22 17:42:05	grawity	...huh, they added a "QT" theme button now?
2023-08-22 17:42:17	Namarrgon	rgallaispou: is the kms hook in there?
2023-08-22 17:42:30	chiselfuse	i already have xdg-desktop-portal xdg-desktop-portal-kde installed...
2023-08-22 17:42:36	grawity	yeah I see now, "Classic" and "QT" both follow the gnome-wide dark mode setting, "GTK" ironically does not
2023-08-22 17:42:44	jelle	nice
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2023-08-22 17:43:01	grawity	(I'm looking at the google-chrome binary though)
2023-08-22 17:43:15	jelle	chromium does the same yes
2023-08-22 17:43:31	rgallaispou	Namarrgon: nope
2023-08-22 17:43:32	⚡ 	grawity does not dare to cd ~/src/huge/chromium
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2023-08-22 17:44:33	chiselfuse	i dunno what to do how do i get dark theme T_T
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2023-08-22 17:47:03	chiselfuse	i made my chromium follow my GTK_THEME but it's still light mode in settings page
2023-08-22 17:47:10	chiselfuse	rest follows theme
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2023-08-22 17:49:13	Namarrgon	rgallaispou: lsinitcpio /boot/initramfs-linux.img | grep -i i915
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2023-08-22 17:51:10	rgallaispou	Namarrgon: I got no output from this command
2023-08-22 17:51:46	rgallaispou	Namarrgon: and I need root permission, but even with that I got nothing
2023-08-22 17:52:43	Namarrgon	rgallaispou: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Early_KMS_start
2023-08-22 17:52:44	phrik	Title: Kernel mode setting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-08-22 17:56:46	demonicmaniac1	chiselfuse: settings is a webpage not the "ui" - there's the experimental flag for dark mode/inverting selectively in chrome://flags
2023-08-22 17:57:27	demonicmaniac1	Auto Dark Mode for Web Contents
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2023-08-22 18:00:06	chiselfuse	demonicmaniac1: no
2023-08-22 18:00:10	chiselfuse	so i found https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/chromium#Dark_mode
2023-08-22 18:00:12	phrik	Title: Chromium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-22 18:00:17	chiselfuse	which explains how to do it in the new Chromium version
2023-08-22 18:00:48	chiselfuse	however, i use xdg-desktop-portal-kde and i don't know how to tell it to prefer dark mode
2023-08-22 18:00:57	chiselfuse	dbus-send --session --print-reply=literal --dest=org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop /org/freedesktop/portal/desktop org.freedesktop.portal.Settings.Read string:org.freedesktop.appearance string:color-scheme | tr -s ' ' | cut -d ' ' -f 5
2023-08-22 18:01:01	chiselfuse	this outputs '2'
2023-08-22 18:01:06	chiselfuse	which means it prefers light
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2023-08-22 18:02:45	chiselfuse	there's nothing here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_Desktop_Portal talking about how to interface with it
2023-08-22 18:02:47	phrik	Title: XDG Desktop Portal - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-08-22 18:07:05	demonicmaniac1	huh
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2023-08-22 18:07:40	demonicmaniac1	the auto dark mode works for me *shrugs*
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2023-08-22 18:07:52	chiselfuse	demonicmaniac1: you use a DE right?
2023-08-22 18:07:56	demonicmaniac1	nope
2023-08-22 18:08:13	chiselfuse	how do you "auto dark mode" it?
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2023-08-22 18:08:59	demonicmaniac1	as i said - chrome://flags and auto dark mode
2023-08-22 18:09:21	demonicmaniac1	i can try disabling it for a second and see if something changes
2023-08-22 18:09:21	chiselfuse	that's different thing
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2023-08-22 18:10:06	chiselfuse	demonicmaniac1: dbus-send --session --print-reply=literal --dest=org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop /org/freedesktop/portal/desktop org.freedesktop.portal.Settings.Read string:org.freedesktop.appearance string:color-scheme | tr -s ' ' | cut -d ' ' -f 5
2023-08-22 18:10:11	chiselfuse	what does this output?
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2023-08-22 18:11:21	nejni-marji	is there a sane way to make `sudo` send a bell character whenever it gets run by, say, pacman or an AUR helper?
2023-08-22 18:11:31	nejni-marji	or should i be asking in #linux instead
2023-08-22 18:11:46	demonicmaniac1	The name org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop was not provided by any .service files
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2023-08-22 18:12:09	nejni-marji	oh, i see
2023-08-22 18:12:10	chiselfuse	lol there's literally no info i can find on how to interface with this stupid kde portal backend thing
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2023-08-22 18:12:19	nejni-marji	paru --sudoflags --bell should work?
2023-08-22 18:13:03	chiselfuse	what are you saying
2023-08-22 18:13:11	demonicmaniac1	just tested and yeh auto dark doesnt affect settings only home site and websites
2023-08-22 18:13:12	◣	bf_ (~bf@2a02:810c:7c0:447:d21d:bf9e:8dba:3245) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2023-08-22 18:13:18	chiselfuse	i don't see any --bell option in the man
2023-08-22 18:13:22	nejni-marji	man sudo
2023-08-22 18:13:35	chiselfuse	oh
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2023-08-22 18:13:40	nejni-marji	also I answered my own question here, and tested it, so I know it works already
2023-08-22 18:13:50	chiselfuse	nice
2023-08-22 18:13:54	nejni-marji	I may have jumped the gun on asking before I checked the man pages a bit
2023-08-22 18:14:00	chiselfuse	now if only i can find info i need on the stupid dark mode
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2023-08-22 18:14:55	nejni-marji	are you trying to figure out how to tell if KDE is in dark or light mode?
2023-08-22 18:15:10	chiselfuse	no: yes
2023-08-22 18:15:13	chiselfuse	nejni-marji: yes
2023-08-22 18:15:37	nejni-marji	I thiiink it copies the GTK theme into the GTK config directory, you could try checking that instead?
2023-08-22 18:15:44	chiselfuse	nejni-marji: well actually i misread your question, i am trying to tell the kde backend portal thing to use dark mode
2023-08-22 18:15:53	chiselfuse	nejni-marji: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_Desktop_Portal
2023-08-22 18:15:53	nejni-marji	oh, in that case I have no idea
2023-08-22 18:15:55	phrik	Title: XDG Desktop Portal - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-22 18:16:42	nejni-marji	oh, is this like, snap/flatpak programs arent using the correct theme?
2023-08-22 18:17:04	chiselfuse	i don't know
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2023-08-22 18:19:18	chiselfuse	grawity: in the same way i can use `dconf write` to change settings for xdg-desktop-portal-gtk, what can i use to change settings for xdg-desktop-portal-kde?
2023-08-22 18:19:57	heythere221	Hello!:) Is it safe to delete entries from /boot/efi or should I use efibootmgr for that? I tried with wfibootmgr and -b and -B options but the entry just reappeared after reboot so i deleted it from /boot/efi with rm
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2023-08-22 18:22:13	Namarrgon	the ESP only contains the files to which the nvram-entries point, you might have to remove both depending on the circumstances
2023-08-22 18:22:49	heythere221	Also I wanted to install windows on my second drive. Windows adds its efi stuff onto my linux drive in /boot/efi. is there a way to force the wonodws install to make its own efi dir on its own drive? Like blocking access to my arch /boot/efi location?
2023-08-22 18:23:04	heythere221	Namarrgon: I see thx!
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2023-08-22 18:24:14	heythere221	Not sure if it's the right place to ask with the winows install :D
2023-08-22 18:28:01	Namarrgon	probably not
2023-08-22 18:28:03	agowa338	I can help with the windows part. As long as you install it to a second drive everything is fine. Also I'd recommend installing it first. Also install both in UEFI mode. Don't use any bootloader like grub, but instead use UKI and register it directly in your Firmware.
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2023-08-22 18:28:40	solsTiCe	Windows wants an ESP on the same drive where it is installed. you can put an ESP there which will not mess with archlinx stuff
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2023-08-22 18:53:59	_rgallaispou	Namarrgon: It effectively enhanced the time to start of the services. Thanks for the help :)
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2023-08-22 19:22:37	kilomite	hey guys, do i need pavucontrol if im using easyeffects
2023-08-22 19:22:53	Edu4rdSHL	No
2023-08-22 19:23:42	kilomite	alright thanks
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2023-08-22 20:01:21	sangy	brothers, libfmt.so.9 is gone and my waybar is phonkd
2023-08-22 20:01:31	sangy	and sisters and theysters
2023-08-22 20:06:28	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-08-22 20:13:49	Edu4rdSHL	sangy, waybar was rebuild for .10 long time ago
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2023-08-22 20:24:55	sangy	I'm unfortunately using a funky monkey fork for hyprland which not sure why I'm using it other than sunk costs
2023-08-22 20:25:21	mefistofeles	it has hypr on the name!
2023-08-22 20:25:23	mefistofeles	must be good
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2023-08-22 20:26:48	sangy	I found out that they are part of the tiki torch troupe just like the suckless folks but ;(
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2023-08-22 20:32:41	sangy	>fmt-10.patch
2023-08-22 20:32:43	sangy	>emtpy
2023-08-22 20:32:53	sangy	finna cry friends
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2023-08-25 17:25:49	Edu4rdSHL	Hassan01, what
2023-08-25 17:26:31	Hassan01	Edu4rdSHL, when I open vmplayer it tries to install vmnet and vmmon
2023-08-25 17:26:35	Hassan01	but fails
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2023-08-25 17:30:38	another|	are they... are they compiling kernel modules on they fly and try the install them?
2023-08-25 17:30:52	another|	s/the/to/
2023-08-25 17:31:02	Hassan01	yeah, it usually works
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2023-08-25 17:33:50	another|	err... okay... you do you
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2023-08-25 17:45:23	teraflops	Hassan01: it just fails at compiling bridge.o I'd try to use the latest vmplayer version
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2023-08-25 17:46:30	teraflops	that's why vmware is not a good idea under arch linux imo
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2023-08-25 17:47:08	Gnana_	virutalbox
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2023-08-25 17:47:17	teraflops	or quemu
2023-08-25 17:47:26	teraflops	qemu*
2023-08-25 17:47:27	celri	QEMU w/ virt-manager
2023-08-25 17:47:42	Dotz0cat	I am having pacman issues. Installing qemu-emulators-full breaks the dependancy qemu-arch-extra required by something when running a full update.
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2023-08-25 17:48:21	Edu4rdSHL	Post the full error message.
2023-08-25 17:48:22	teraflops	Dotz0cat: required by what? paste pacman output
2023-08-25 17:48:29	teraflops	that ^
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2023-08-25 17:48:46	teraflops	!pastepacman
2023-08-25 17:48:47	phrik	LC_ALL=C pacman --debug <your pacman options> |& tee >(curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io)
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2023-08-25 17:49:00	teraflops	I think --debug is not needed here
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2023-08-25 17:52:50	Edu4rdSHL	TIL pastepacman
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2023-08-25 17:56:14	ℹ 	Tema establecido por jelle (~jelle@archlinux/developer/jelle) el dom, 21 may 2023 14:33:34
2023-08-25 17:56:14	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1393 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1393 normals)
2023-08-25 17:56:16	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-08-25 17:56:24	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2023-08-25 17:56:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-08-25 17:58:58	Dotz0cat	Also even more issues asaide from qemu stoping pacman from running a full update. Something is broke. Firefox and sublime are not working, and all I did was install r and openblas
2023-08-25 17:59:23	◣	lockdown (~lockdown@user/lockdown) ha salido (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2023-08-25 18:00:56	teraflops	if you stopped pacman update in the middle of the process you can expect breakage
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2023-08-25 18:01:26	Dotz0cat	I never got to start the update. Its when it was calculating everything out
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2023-08-25 18:02:10	teraflops	paste pacman output
2023-08-25 18:02:43	Dotz0cat	!paste
2023-08-25 18:02:44	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-08-25 18:02:48	teraflops	!pastepacman
2023-08-25 18:02:48	phrik	LC_ALL=C pacman --debug <your pacman options> |& tee >(curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io)
2023-08-25 18:03:01	teraflops	w/o the debug
2023-08-25 18:03:27	bswartz	Why the hate for certain paste sites?
2023-08-25 18:03:41	Scimmia	Dotz0cat: it updated the databases, though. You can't do anything after that until you finish the update
2023-08-25 18:03:48	bswartz	Do they put ads on the page or something else annoying?
2023-08-25 18:03:48	teraflops	hate is a strong word, I'd say disliking 
2023-08-25 18:04:15	bswartz	I mean it just implies they're "not good" and "not sane" with no details
2023-08-25 18:04:39	astralc	because they are SHIT
2023-08-25 18:04:52	Dotz0cat	http://ix.io/4EuJ
2023-08-25 18:05:00	Scimmia	!give bswartz pastebin.com
2023-08-25 18:05:00	phrik	bswartz: Pastebin.com is swamped with advertisements and random captchas. Malware found on pastebin.com has resulted in it being blocked for some users. It injects CRLF line-endings. Please, use something else. Use something sane like https://gist.github.com https://bpaste.net http://ix.io https://paste.rs
2023-08-25 18:05:12	bswartz	Ah
2023-08-25 18:05:26	teraflops	Dotz0cat: flashpoint-launcher-bin is this an aur package?
2023-08-25 18:05:28	bswartz	Ty Scimmia
2023-08-25 18:05:39	Dotz0cat	Yes
2023-08-25 18:05:46	teraflops	that's why
2023-08-25 18:06:19	Dotz0cat	Remove it with -R? Atleast for now
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2023-08-25 18:07:40	teraflops	well remove it and once system updated check if there is a new version, since it's a bin package you cannot rebuild it
2023-08-25 18:07:57	Dotz0cat	Let's hope this update fixes some things.
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2023-08-25 18:09:51	Scimmia	after 3 months+ without an update, then doing a partial update, it's definitely needed
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2023-08-25 18:11:37	teraflops	hmm 3 months, I pacman -Syu almost every day
2023-08-25 18:15:23	chromas	Put it in a cronjob
2023-08-25 18:16:36	teraflops	famous last words ;)
2023-08-25 18:16:50	chromas	Everyone loves surprises :D
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2023-08-25 18:18:10	chromas	When I pacman -Syu it wants to install magma-cuda, which conflicts with already-installed magma-hip. Is there a way to get it to tell me who wants to install magma-cuda?
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2023-08-25 18:19:58	Scimmia	only with --debug, AFAIK
2023-08-25 18:20:17	chromas	That's a lot of output
2023-08-25 18:20:20	chromas	Thanks
2023-08-25 18:21:02	Scimmia	there's only 3 things that require that package in the repos, though, shouldn't be difficult to track it that way
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2023-08-25 18:23:31	chromas	aha. uncertainty-framework is the culprit. Thanks Scimmia!
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2023-08-25 18:24:02	⚡ 	chromas upgrades it with -Sdd
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2023-08-25 18:26:03	Gnana_	Startx hanged?
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2023-08-25 18:26:40	Gnana_	no reponse ?
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2023-08-25 18:27:34	mingdao	yay seems pretty good at checking my AUR pkgs and normal Arch pkgs - is there any reason IDK not to use yay?
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2023-08-25 18:28:42	Scimmia	Gnana_: response to what?
2023-08-25 18:29:39	Gnana_	hanged
2023-08-25 18:29:43	susi	mingdao: for whatever reasons, I don't use any 'helper'
2023-08-25 18:29:45	Gnana_	i tab to next tty
2023-08-25 18:29:51	Gnana_	to kill start i3
2023-08-25 18:29:52	Scimmia	are you asking a question of some king?
2023-08-25 18:29:54	Scimmia	kindg?
2023-08-25 18:29:58	susi	kind*
2023-08-25 18:29:59	Scimmia	grr, kind
2023-08-25 18:30:10	susi	less booze, bro
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2023-08-25 18:30:18	Gnana_	im using nvidia0dkms
2023-08-25 18:30:23	Gnana_	nvidia-dkms
2023-08-25 18:30:35	Gnana_	and envycontrol
2023-08-25 18:34:20	Gnana_	prev im was using wayland hyprland 
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2023-08-25 18:56:19	Gnana_	hello?
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2023-08-25 19:29:54	mingdao	Gnana_: Some people won't look at your paste if you don't post a proper, full URL.
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2023-08-25 20:01:57	Gnana_	mingdao: i was tty, changed my dission im going stick to wayland
2023-08-25 20:02:02	Gnana_	for got aboyut it
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2023-08-25 20:05:27	madprops	interesting, installing the lts kernel, made it the default in grub ,is that the intended behavior?
2023-08-25 20:06:22	mingdao	Gnana_: No worries.  Xorg is still golden for me.  Just letting you know your pastes may get more views if you post them clickable.
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2023-08-25 20:06:49	agowa	Hi, what is the "correct way" of doing this in two different terminals simultaneously? `cat </dev/pts/7 >/dev/pts/3` and `cat </dev/pts/3 >/dev/pts/7`?
2023-08-25 20:07:43	agowa	(copy input from pts7 to 3 and copy output from 3 to 7)
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2023-08-25 20:07:55	mingdao	agowa: Did you ask in #<your VT> ?  I'm wrong a lot, but that doesn't seem a lot like an Arch Linux specific question.
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2023-08-25 20:09:22	Gnana_	mingdao: why xorg is badass?
2023-08-25 20:09:24	agowa	mingdao: tbh, I don't know if this is distro specific or not. I don't even know how that would be called. I'm just trying to bridge some virtual com ports. And what is VT?
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2023-08-25 20:11:43	mingdao	agowa: https://www.computernetworkingnotes.com/linux-tutorials/linux-virtual-console-and-terminal-explained.html
2023-08-25 20:11:45	phrik	Title: Linux Virtual Console and Terminal Explained (at www.computernetworkingnotes.com)
2023-08-25 20:12:23	cnsvc	i'm moving to wayland/gnome from x11/dwm for better performance
2023-08-25 20:13:04	mingdao	Gnana_: IDK if it is or not. It Just Works™ for me for a few decades, so I don't see the need to change.
2023-08-25 20:13:06	agowa	mingdao: That looks helpful thanks :)
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2023-08-25 20:13:21	mingdao	Gnana_: I do see a lot of folks posting about problems with the others.
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2023-08-25 20:24:25	hao	today I decided to learn how to "rice" desktop, so I come across haprland, but its doc said it's "bleeding edge" and might not be working with my current distro ubuntu very well, so I'm on the edge to switch to arch, need some inputs...
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2023-08-25 20:25:49	hao	according to my search, arch is more customizable and up to date, does this mean it's more suitable for learning the inside of linux? I hope this is true, anyone have both tried can share some thoughts?
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2023-08-25 20:26:36	madprops	hao, you learn how to install and fix some things manually
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2023-08-25 20:29:56	hao	I take that could mean "yes", nice
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2023-08-25 20:30:02	Namarrgon	the neat thing about arch is that it ships, mostly, vanilla packages
2023-08-25 20:30:16	Namarrgon	and it tries to stay out of the user's way
2023-08-25 20:30:25	Namarrgon	apart from that you can learn "linux" on any distro
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2023-08-25 20:31:18	hao	but on the other side, will it be more difficult get things going for a coder, like installing some package, dependencies, coding tools (docker, editors, k8s, that alike)?
2023-08-25 20:31:46	Bco1981	you just learn more using arch installing it manually and build up from CLI only, chosing the bootloader you want, partition it properly.
2023-08-25 20:32:07	hao	I'm worrying this because I seldom seen software's documentation contain installation guide specific for arch, but lots contain guides for ubuntu
2023-08-25 20:32:08	Namarrgon	for some definition of "difficult", yes. you will have to set up more stuff yourself instead of relying on your distro's packagers.
2023-08-25 20:32:39	Namarrgon	you will have to dig through documentation more often but that's what learning usually means
2023-08-25 20:32:47	hao	Namarrgon, oh, I see, arch is more like a "linux from scratch"
2023-08-25 20:33:06	madprops	it's not that complicated though
2023-08-25 20:33:10	Namarrgon	yeah, the admins has more responsibilities
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2023-08-25 20:33:16	madprops	especially when systemd glues the whole thing
2023-08-25 20:33:20	Namarrgon	*admin
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2023-08-25 20:33:51	Namarrgon	install it to a vm, if you don't rage quit during that then you might like the rest of the journey, too
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2023-08-25 20:34:34	cnsvc	hao:why do you need to stick to ubuntu? i think linux is all about hacking. i would recommend anyone to try different distros and get hands dirty.
2023-08-25 20:35:20	hao	now come to the "rice" thing, suppose I've got arch up and running, currently I've decided to use wayland+hyprland, is this a sensible combination to you guys?
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2023-08-25 20:36:08	elg	which gpu do you have?
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2023-08-25 20:37:22	hao	cnsvc, I'm using ubuntu only because that my MBP is too old and MacOS is too slow, so I just pick the most quick way to get a linux distro running... but after using linux for a while, I've come to wishing for more customizations...
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2023-08-25 20:37:56	hao	elg, the MBP12,1's onboard chip
2023-08-25 20:37:57	Bco1981	arch will give you that
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2023-08-25 20:38:36	cnsvc	hao:arch will give you more freedom and customization indeed
2023-08-25 20:38:38	hao	elg, kinda worrying that hyprland will slow down the already old machine... but worth a try
2023-08-25 20:38:47	Namarrgon	good luck with wifi on the mbp
2023-08-25 20:40:06	hao	Namarrgon, oh, that, I've got a wifi usb stick, the onboard wifi drive is smashed
2023-08-25 20:40:38	hao	It's already hard get its driver working on ubuntu, but now I have some experience, hah
2023-08-25 20:41:24	cnsvc	i switched to linux from macos 5 years ago and never look back
2023-08-25 20:41:53	⚡ 	gehidore looks back all the time
2023-08-25 20:43:22	cnsvc	:D
2023-08-25 20:43:28	hao	cnsvc, lucky you that work/friends don't force you to use a Mac&Win only IM app
2023-08-25 20:43:52	Bco1981	force...
2023-08-25 20:44:20	Bco1981	that's when i get stubborn and just delete it
2023-08-25 20:44:36	hao	well, not proactively... only when everybody is using the app to communicate, you kinda have no choice
2023-08-25 20:44:51	Bco1981	i have a phone and email...
2023-08-25 20:45:01	cnsvc	well then, i'm more to happy to a free person :D
2023-08-25 20:45:21	cnsvc	what kind of IM are you talking about?
2023-08-25 20:45:34	hao	heard about QQ, wechat?
2023-08-25 20:45:43	cnsvc	i use wechat on my arch
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2023-08-25 20:45:56	cnsvc	screw qq
2023-08-25 20:46:02	hao	docker based?
2023-08-25 20:46:06	hao	wine? 
2023-08-25 20:46:15	cnsvc	i don't want friends that they are still using qq
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2023-08-25 20:46:32	hao	well that's a surprise if there is a native linux wechat that can run in arch
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2023-08-25 20:46:53	hao	cnsvc, haha, age gap
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2023-08-25 20:48:03	cnsvc	yes - docker based wechat works fine here
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2023-08-25 20:53:55	cnsvc	Also, maybe you should consider that it's not a bad thing to invest on a neat pc/laptop for linux. It saves you tons of time.
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2023-08-25 21:06:24	jimr	afternoon
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2023-08-25 21:10:54	ℹ 	Dotz0cat_ es conocido ahora como Dotz0cat
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2023-08-25 21:13:17	Namarrgon	good morning
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2023-08-25 21:18:05	jimr	going good today?
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2023-08-25 21:22:31	Namarrgon	just an average, terrible friday
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2023-08-25 21:24:33	jimr	lol
2023-08-25 21:24:40	jimr	hope it gets beter
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2023-08-25 21:52:29	ℹ 	sh1bum1 es conocido ahora como shibumi
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2023-08-25 21:54:41	jimr	in my /etc/pacman.d i have a file called mirrorlist (which is old) and mirrorlist.pacnew...to switch to the new mirrorlist i simply rename mirrorlist to mirrorlist.old and mirrorlist.pacnew to mirrorlist right?
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2023-08-25 22:00:09	ℹ 	ladyfriday es conocido ahora como mrmonday
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2023-08-25 22:04:05	mkoskar	jimr: in pacman.conf there's a link `Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist` so yeah, `mirrorlist` is what's effective, but mirrorlist.pacnew contains all mirrors commented out, it's a sort of a template you should use to pick mirrors you want, since mirrors itself rarely change many ppl put `NoExtract = etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist` in pacman.conf so not to be bothered with mirrorlist.pacnew, or they
2023-08-25 22:04:07	mkoskar	use `reflector`
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2023-08-25 22:04:26	astralc	no, you need to edit the new file, or use pacdiff to merge changes
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2023-08-25 22:10:32	jimr	ok thanks
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2023-08-25 22:19:08	ℹ 	merethan es conocido ahora como theweekendman
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2023-08-25 22:21:20	NoobAlice	hao: If you do have some things you like about your Ubuntu, save your list of packages to a text file on a USB stick or something.  There are a lot of things that Ubuntu installs by default that you have to choose to install using Arch, so it can be nice if you later think something like "what was that image viewer I used?" or "this wifi device worked before, what driver am I missing?" to be
2023-08-25 22:21:20	NoobAlice	able to look at that list and find i
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2023-08-25 22:33:37	mharig	Since my last system update last wednesday, after boot, I start an xterm in workspace 1, switch to workspace 2, start another xterm, and that xterm get started in workspace 1 instead of 2. After a while (or whatever), all works OK. Before the update, all worked fine immediately after boot. Any hints?
2023-08-25 22:34:12	Namarrgon	which packages were updated?
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2023-08-25 22:50:06	hao	after reading the Installation section of the wiki, I still have some foundamental questions, It seems for me I need to login to a graphic session firstly, my question is, where is the decision of X11 or Wayland is made in this process?
2023-08-25 22:50:41	somedev	ping
2023-08-25 22:51:35	hao	pong?
2023-08-25 22:51:37	sshine	hao, you would install X11 or Wayland after booting your system in the terminal.
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2023-08-25 22:54:05	hao	okay, now should I choose X11 or Wayland? I initially prefer Wayland, cause one of my driving reason to switch to arch is that I wanna try Hyprland, but now I know there are plenty of WM(for X11) or compositors(for Wayland) to choose, I'm now cannot make up my mind again.
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2023-08-25 22:55:03	hao	I know it's matter of personal preference, but I need some advices here
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2023-08-25 23:02:20	MrElendig	try them all and use the one you hate the lest
2023-08-25 23:02:21	Earnestly	You can install both (like with all things, both before or during installation it makes no difference), there is no need to paralyse yourself with non-decisions
2023-08-25 23:02:24	MrElendig	!prev
2023-08-25 23:02:25	phrik	Another unsatisfied customer! PREV!
2023-08-25 23:02:48	Earnestly	s/before/after
2023-08-25 23:03:06	hao	Earnestly, right, thanks
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2023-08-25 23:11:14	Aznorth	Hello, I’m trying to install Arch, have successfully built and mounted each partition, but got stuck when wanting to sort the pacman mirrolist with reflector, and I seem to understand that I just cannot make any http·s connections.
2023-08-25 23:11:14	Aznorth	I’m connected to my network, can ping to various IP adresses and can resolve domain names with `getent hosts domain_name`, as advised in the Network Configuration and Domain Name Resolution ArchWiki pages.
2023-08-25 23:11:15	Aznorth	The PC has no ethernet port, thus I have no possibility to test internet connection with anything other than Wi-Fi. Ethernet via USB with my smartphone seems to not work. I already tried to reboot my machine, and I don’t have problem with my internet access on the other computers connected to the my network.
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2023-08-25 23:15:01	Aznorth	Would anyone have an idea of what could be the cause of this, and what could I try to find a solution to this ? I checked journalctl, and didn’t see any errors concerning the internet access. I don’t seem to have multiple DHCP clients running at the same time. I’m still in the live media, and have not booted for the moment.
2023-08-25 23:15:01	Aznorth	(Also, would my question be in a better place on the arch forums ? Sorry if this is the case)
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2023-08-25 23:17:09	ariadnavigo	seems really odd
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2023-08-25 23:17:35	ariadnavigo	you sure there is only one DHCP client running?
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2023-08-25 23:18:06	ariadnavigo	which one is that you're running? dhcpcd?
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2023-08-26 20:15:45	yitz	Are paths in /var/lib supposed to be owned by packages? I have a bunch of paths in there that `pacman -Qo` says are unowned. Did something create those on runtime and not clean up on removal?
2023-08-26 20:16:24	◣	nortega (~nortega@user/nortega) ha salido (Quit: God bless you!)
2023-08-26 20:17:13	bookworm	not only
2023-08-26 20:17:27	bookworm	various applications place run time state there
2023-08-26 20:21:07	yitz	Ugh. Isn't there specific runtime/cache/etc paths they're meant to use for that? :s
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2023-08-26 20:21:57	BrainDamage	/var/lib is THE path for permanent state files for system users
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2023-08-26 20:22:48	BrainDamage	many programs will use either systemd-tmpfiles.d or even let the unit itself create the subdirs on the fly
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2023-08-26 20:25:53	yitz	If the package creates the dir on install, would that clean up on uninstall? Or does that only work on when listing all files?
2023-08-26 20:26:37	BrainDamage	if the dir is included in the package, and is not part of the backups array, then it'd get cleaned up
2023-08-26 20:26:59	BrainDamage	however, if the dir gets created in post_install script, or with the tmpdirs.d hook, it won't
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2023-08-26 20:38:37	Earnestly	yitz: (/var/lib/stuff owned by packages = yes)
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2023-08-26 20:38:37	Earnestly	If possible, that is. The nature of state files means pacman can't track them outside of manual pacreport configs
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2023-08-26 20:38:37	Earnestly	iow, that they aren't tracked is a limitation of pacman
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2023-08-26 21:33:31	yitz	alad: are you AladW? I'm trying to use aur sync and it keeps saying the package is up to date but it isn't
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2023-08-26 22:36:35	jarshvor	So I'm trying to use Device Mapper block device overlays for something but I'm not sure if I have some wrong assumptions. I have an image file of a disk which we'll call 'hdd-clone.img'. This image in mostly alright except it has some minimal bad data which corresponds to bad sectors when cloning the drive.
2023-08-26 22:36:51	jarshvor	Let us assume now, we also have a sparse image file called 'badblocks-recover.overlay'. This file is the same size in bytes as 'hdd-clone.img' but is sparse (created with truncate -s size). The overlay file contains the recovered bytes at the appropriate addresses, and is otherwise empty in-between.
2023-08-26 22:36:58	jarshvor	Can these two image files, 'hdd-clone.img' and 'badblocks-recover.overlay', be overlaid one ontop of the other to give the complete working image? I am running some experiments with dmsetup snapshot and a small test mock image, and am getting unintuative results.
2023-08-26 22:46:52	vee	jarshvor: maybe something like https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/67678/gnu-linux-overlay-block-device-stackable-block-device ?
2023-08-26 22:46:54	phrik	Title: GNU/Linux: overlay block device / stackable block device - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2023-08-26 22:59:12	jarshvor	vee: yep. perused that link and other similar ones already, and is pretty much what I'm following. But for some reason with my test image and overlay, no updated "overlay-data" was not being read from the stacked device, only the original. Although now that I type this out.. that maybe makes sense? Only when data is written to the stacked device
2023-08-26 22:59:13	jarshvor	__through__ the device mapper does that data end up in the overlay file and is thus read once stacked?
2023-08-26 22:59:33	jarshvor	From: https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/device-mapper/snapshot.html
2023-08-26 22:59:34	phrik	Title: Device-mapper snapshot support — The Linux Kernel documentation (at docs.kernel.org)
2023-08-26 22:59:40	jarshvor	 Writes will only go to the <COW device>. Reads will come from the <COW device> or from <origin> for unchanged data.
2023-08-26 22:59:59	jarshvor	How does it differentiate between changed and unchanged data...?
2023-08-26 23:01:27	jarshvor	If my overlay(snapshot) file already has the data in it and I dont intend to write to it via the stacked device mapper device, is that data in it ever read?
2023-08-26 23:04:33	jarshvor	I attempted to re-write some data to the overlay(snapshot) file while it was mounted as a stacked device, via dd and seek, but that made no change to the address I was targetting. It did however make some bigger changes to the overlay(snapshot) file at the beggining of the file, which I was not expecting.
2023-08-26 23:05:52	vee	you might try a tripple stack; where you read from both the main-data image, the bit-corrected sparce, and then give it an empty sparce on top of that. if you modifiy files then it will be on the highest tier, or even simulating changes in the bit-corrected one you should notice differences when not mounting the overlays
2023-08-26 23:06:27	jarshvor	I say bigger changes because I am testing by changing 1 byte at a time, yet I believe per the table settings the snapshot only writes in minimum 1 sector chunks, so 512.
2023-08-26 23:06:27	jarshvor	That could explain the big chunk change I am seeing in the overlay(snapshot), but not really why it is at the beggining of the file in a completely wrong location.
2023-08-26 23:07:26	vee	its a block device so it wont map it to some narnia location - it should keep track of positioning within the underlying components
2023-08-26 23:07:45	vee	for intance a filesystem with all the inode fun, ect
2023-08-26 23:08:06	jarshvor	vee: sorry Im pretty new to dmsetup. What type of target would I need for that? to read data from both the main image and the bit-corrected one?
2023-08-26 23:08:21	vee	that is currently beyond me
2023-08-26 23:08:51	vee	it would likely be a stacked lvm setup similar to that url 
2023-08-26 23:09:22	vee	ive only done similar using overlayfs where it was just directories being mapped for changest
2023-08-26 23:11:02	vee	when the dmsetup does the create newdevivename - i believe it will show up in the /dev/ someplace; if you then feed that in again as the read-only-device, i think you can probably map another ovl on top of it
2023-08-26 23:11:29	vee	( i have to head out so good luck if you end up trying that )
2023-08-26 23:11:47	jarshvor	thanks! ;) no problem. Will keep poking at it.
2023-08-26 23:16:08	causa_sui	what should I look at in my system to explain why one electron app doesn't have all the emoji that I can even render in my terminal?
2023-08-26 23:18:39	tb0n3	🙃
2023-08-26 23:19:09	tb0n3	I'm glad irssi supports emojis now
2023-08-26 23:20:07	tb0n3	( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
2023-08-26 23:22:12	tb0n3	Would there be any issues formatting and pacstrapping an nvme in an external enclosure under sdx then swapping into an nvme slot?
2023-08-26 23:22:18	tb0n3	I'm wondering for things like UUID
2023-08-26 23:22:28	tb0n3	I'd redo the efi install of course, or do it after
2023-08-26 23:27:35	bud	i have this bash script thing, and a AUR package for it. the script is for easily manage vivaldi UI hacks.
2023-08-26 23:28:38	bud	when the script is run on Arch, it will install a libalpm hook, to keep the ui hacks in place on updates
2023-08-26 23:29:30	bud	that hook is installed by the bash script, but i guess it would make more sense to install the hook with the PKGBUILD instead
2023-08-26 23:31:20	bud	but in the hooks file, i need the path to the vivaldi file which needs updating ( /opt/vivaldi/resources/vivaldi/browser.html )
2023-08-26 23:32:11	bud	and i get that path in the script with `which vivaldi-stable` or `which vivaldi-snapshot`
2023-08-26 23:32:48	bud	nvm, now when i typed it out i realized that the path will always be the same, and it will be good if my package depends on vivaldi
2023-08-26 23:57:36	digital_mystik	has anyone been having any issues with cups.socket triggering cups.service recently? haven't changed anything but it's not launching it
2023-08-26 23:59:13	digital_mystik	I have a feeling there is an issue with systemd-resolved - also still can't figure out why I can't pull any keys with gnupg having systemd-resolved running for DoT.. I may just go back to stubby
2023-08-27 01:17:32	thurstylark	tb0n3: Using UUID is the exact mechanism meant to get around that issue, so use UUID's wherever possible, and you should be ok
2023-08-27 01:26:32	bonob	say I have a block device of 100, I give 50 to a btrfs partition, and 50 to LVM. Is it doable to then resize, or would I better put the btrfs on top of LVM?
2023-08-27 01:33:33	Namarrgon	you can grow and shrink both, either way will work
2023-08-27 01:34:11	Namarrgon	the latter is probably more convenient though since you don't have to move any filesystem headers around manually
2023-08-27 01:36:56	bonob	clear, thanks Namarrgon!
2023-08-27 04:01:49	tb0n3	is UUID persistent if your device changes ports? I've got an nvme in an external enclosure on /dev/sdb and wondered if installing on that then swapping would need anything to change in fstab
2023-08-27 04:44:48	another|	Filesystem UUIDs are tied to the filesystem. Part UUIDs are tied to the partition
2023-08-27 05:53:29	Guest5697	what's the difference between systemctl status and journalctl
2023-08-27 05:56:38	sheep	"systemctl status" queries the current status of a unit or all units, which can include recent journal entries from a unit. journalctl shows journal entries
2023-08-27 05:57:24	Guest5697	thanks :)
2023-08-27 06:52:07	hao	(just a status updates) so yesterday I installed arch, but after the reboot, arch boot entry doesn't show up in efi's  boot menu, I solved this by adding an `--removable` option to `grub-install`. the arch boot entry now is shown in efi boot menu (pressing opt when restarting MBP), but there is now no ubuntu entry, weird thing is, if I dont enter efi boot menu, ubuntu can be booted by default.
2023-08-27 06:52:07	hao	I'll leave 
2023-08-27 06:52:13	hao	this boot quirk for now. 
2023-08-27 07:52:49	tb0n3	Is there a way to list first order installed packages? What I mean is the packages directly installed by the user and not dependencies
2023-08-27 07:53:51	deckard	pacman -Qe
2023-08-27 07:54:02	deckard	that gives you explicitly installed packacges
2023-08-27 08:15:46	tb0n3	deckard: thank you.
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2023-08-27 12:20:21	Bco1981	how can i check how many pcie lanes my mini-pci slot for the wificard has. the slot, not the card.
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2023-08-27 12:21:34	Ennea	check your mainboard's manual
2023-08-27 12:21:57	Bco1981	chinese mini-pc
2023-08-27 12:22:11	Bco1981	undisclosed info
2023-08-27 12:24:30	Bco1981	they already gutted the m.2 to only 1x, but they don't mention about the mini-pcie for the wifi card.
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2023-08-27 12:26:31	Namarrgon	lspci should list the link width
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2023-08-27 12:29:30	Bco1981	thanks.... but god damnit...  LnkCap: Port #0, Speed 2.5GT/s, Width x1
2023-08-27 12:29:58	Namarrgon	should be enough for wifi
2023-08-27 12:30:11	Bco1981	yeah, but won't be enough to play with a eGPU
2023-08-27 12:30:48	Bco1981	i already tried with the m.2 which is also at pcie 3.0 1x
2023-08-27 12:30:55	Namarrgon	you bought the wrong hw if you expected it do that
2023-08-27 12:31:04	Namarrgon	*to do that
2023-08-27 12:31:18	Bco1981	didn't expect, just wanted to try. but now it doesn't matter.
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2023-08-27 14:35:00	Phr33d0m	hi everyone, so whenever I transfer data from my nvme to my hdd - it starts transfering at 1.5GB/s the first ~20GB and then starts slowing down - which cache is being used here?
2023-08-27 15:06:33	lambda	Phr33d0m: possibly the thermal mass of your drives
2023-08-27 15:07:41	Phr33d0m	oh, I thought it would be the pascal pressure at the height I live at
2023-08-27 15:10:17	Namarrgon	if the target device is slower than the source the vm cache will fill up until one of the dirty-bytes limits is reached
2023-08-27 15:11:52	Namarrgon	the hdd has its own cache but its irrelevant when you deal in the Gb ranges
2023-08-27 15:13:49	demurgos	Hello! Is this channel the right place for somewhat advanced installation issues? I bought a replacement SSD, it's detected by ArchISO and can be mounted/installed but fails to boot. Installing Ubuntu or Manjaro boots, but Arch installs (manual or archinstall) fail to boot: NVME SSD detect but gets IO errors. I suspect some issue around mkinitcpio/initramfs (it fails at initrd).
2023-08-27 15:14:33	astralc	maybe kernel version?
2023-08-27 15:15:41	demurgos	I tried `linux` and `linux-lts`, but I'll try to dig deeper. I created two partitions: one with Manjaro and one for arch, and I'm trying to figure out what's different
2023-08-27 15:15:44	astralc	also, what are the actual errors (can't mount or...)?
2023-08-27 15:17:48	demurgos	It's mounted, but then I get some I/O errors; I'm trying to share a photo (give me a moment)
2023-08-27 15:17:54	demurgos	(And thank you very much for your replies)
2023-08-27 15:18:12	Scimmia	demurgos: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/79439 maybe
2023-08-27 15:18:14	phrik	Title: FS#79439 : [linux] 6.4.11 rtsx driver bug prevents booting in some cases (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-08-27 15:19:19	Phr33d0m	Namarrgon so I do have vm.dirty_background_ratio=10 , vm.dirty_ratio=20 , vm.vfs_cache_pressure=100 that's why I get caches of up to 20GBs - thanks! I really need to lower those
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2023-08-27 15:30:32	demurgos	Here is the dmesg error for my boot issue: https://i.imgur.com/SBESWen.jpeg
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2023-08-27 15:30:50	demurgos	I'll try the workarounds described in the bug
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2023-08-27 15:31:58	Scimmia	power saving, makes linked bug more likely
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2023-08-27 15:34:16	demurgos	Okay, so I'm hopeful it may be it; it would also explain why it works with other distros using older kernels. I have to leave/reboot but will report back
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2023-08-27 15:51:00	rs2009	so I was working on a small project that would involve rebuilding the entire core and extra package repositories (not just a simple binary package mirror, for the lack of a better term) and hacked together a small little Python script to clone all of all the ~11255 source packages, but was wondering if anyone's attempted anything akin to this in
2023-08-27 15:51:01	rs2009	the past
2023-08-27 15:51:31	rs2009	s/all of all/all of/g
2023-08-27 15:52:36	lambda	sure, all the derivative distros, basically
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2023-08-27 15:56:54	gromit	rs2009: there is pkgctl repo clone --universe, no need to script that
2023-08-27 15:56:55	rs2009	lambda: hmm, I'm pretty sure Manjaro's the only one that does that, and I couldn't find anything related to how it actually does that (I've just hacked together a script that uses GitLab's API for retrieving a list of all the source packages from gitlab.archlinux.org and then pulls them with git instead of pkgctl)
2023-08-27 15:57:44	rs2009	gromit: ah, didn't know that exists, thanks!
2023-08-27 15:58:02	gromit	rs2009: but why do you want to rebuild everything o.O 
2023-08-27 15:58:25	lambda	rs2009: e.g. Arch ARM, Archlinux 32, etc definitely have to build all their packages themselves
2023-08-27 15:58:33	ugjka	-march=native -mtune=native
2023-08-27 16:00:00	Khorne	just use gentoo at that point lol
2023-08-27 16:00:07	rs2009	gromit: just a little experiment for some projects I have planned in future lol
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2023-08-27 16:00:46	ugjka	I'd use gentoo if I had some crazy threadripper or something like that
2023-08-27 16:01:30	rs2009	lol yeah, got a nice little 5950X and 13850HX here so that should be alright
2023-08-27 16:01:33	dviola	I like gentoo but I don't have a reason to use it over arch
2023-08-27 16:02:18	dviola	also, gentoo tries to be like debian with the stable branch... I want something that rolls faster
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2023-08-27 16:02:43	dviola	well, not like debian exactly, but stable? nah
2023-08-27 16:03:08	dviola	I know you can ~amd64 and go crazy, but nah
2023-08-27 16:03:24	rs2009	I was just considering the idea of a small little distribution like the Ubuntu of yesteryear that'd use Arch as the upstream, with a similar release process (that's something I'm personally interested interested in)
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2023-08-27 16:06:19	rs2009	so not too-outdated packages, and a stable base system with backports and stuff, but without having to encounter the mess that is APT (and even worse, dpkg-buildpackage for packagers)
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2023-08-27 16:08:43	Foxboron	rs2009: Manjaro doesn't build core/extra
2023-08-27 16:08:53	Foxboron	lambda: They don't work like that
2023-08-27 16:11:37	rs2009	Foxboron: Oh, I see; been a while since I used Manjaro, so yeah (last time was when porting Unity7 to Manjaro after getting it working on Arch)
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2023-08-27 16:14:33	demurgos	Scimmia, phrik, astralc: I was able to fix my boot issues following the workaround in the bug ticket you posted
2023-08-27 16:14:54	demurgos	You were right: I was affected by this NVME issue (https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/79439)
2023-08-27 16:15:02	demurgos	Thank you very much!
2023-08-27 16:15:54	Scimmia	demurgos: hopefully upstream gets it fixed so you can have your cardreader back
2023-08-27 16:16:32	demurgos	I only use it rarely so it's not a high priority; I'm mostly relieved that I'm able to boot :)
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2023-08-27 16:21:23	rs2009	gromit: is there any way to have pkgctl clone repositories in parallel?
2023-08-27 16:21:59	rs2009	nvm, I assume -j's for that
2023-08-27 16:22:54	gromit	rs2009: yes, but there currently is a bug with that since the parallel clone does not have the ability to read from the cli 
2023-08-27 16:23:16	gromit	so key unlocking etc. has to be done beforehand and then be handled via ControlMaster or key agent
2023-08-27 16:23:20	zipper	Hello all I want to use gpg-agent to cache my ssh keys and used the instructions. However, I have had to enter my SSH key multiple times. I have a file that zshrc reads on startup. Here's my config and troubleshooting results http://ix.io/4EFX
2023-08-27 16:24:34	zipper	Sorry I should add that I am using wayland and sway
2023-08-27 16:24:51	rs2009	gromit: ah yep, I should mention I'm cloning with https
2023-08-27 16:28:49	gromit	rs2009: you will hit ratelimits then
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2023-08-27 16:31:36	rs2009	gromit: hmm, can pkgctl be limited to packages in `core`? I could hand-pick those from extra then
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2023-08-27 16:32:35	gromit	rs2009: nope
2023-08-27 16:33:00	gromit	but you can list al packages in core with pacman -Sl core and then feed that to pkgctl
2023-08-27 16:33:21	rs2009	hmm, that wouldn't be just base packages tho
2023-08-27 16:33:39	gromit	true
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2023-08-27 16:35:36	rs2009	gromit: yeah, I guess one option would be just to list out the base packages in core by hand since it's quite small, and manually add any others in future if needed
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2023-08-27 17:02:36	dviola	I hear arch will offer a x86-64-v3 port at some point, how is that going to work? will it be a separate repo?
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2023-08-27 17:05:36	zxrom	Is there anyone here using KiCAD?
2023-08-27 17:05:47	archdemon	!anyone
2023-08-27 17:05:47	phrik	Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
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2023-08-27 17:09:20	archdemon	didnt even get any help
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2023-08-27 17:25:24	zxrom	phrik, I need to know if this program hangs on another computer.
2023-08-27 17:25:25	phrik	zxrom: No idea
2023-08-27 17:25:27	susi	zxrom: one thing I know for sure is that I'm not using it
2023-08-27 17:25:40	zxrom	phrik, I need to know if this program freezes on another computer.
2023-08-27 17:25:40	phrik	zxrom: No idea
2023-08-27 17:25:57	zxrom	Bot?
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2023-08-27 17:27:23	Ennea	what gave it away? :p
2023-08-27 17:27:41	teraflops	zxrom: phrik is a bot
2023-08-27 17:28:14	zxrom	Shit happens.
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2023-08-27 17:30:06	susi	most of the more active support people here are GPT implementations nowadays
2023-08-27 17:30:23	susi	it's called development
2023-08-27 17:30:26	gromit	phrik: are you a bot? 
2023-08-27 17:30:26	phrik	Arguably so!
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2023-08-27 17:34:38	causa_sui	what should I look at in my system to explain why one electron app doesn't have all the emoji that I can even render in my terminal?
2023-08-27 17:36:19	zxrom	I don't think anyone uses KiCAD on ArchLinux. Version 7.0.7 is broken and crashes in different places, but there is not a single bug report :)
2023-08-27 17:39:09	BrainDamage	causa_sui: chrome (that electron is based on) reinvents part of the font rendering stack so the fallback mechanism might different from the rest of the os
2023-08-27 17:39:42	BrainDamage	zxrom: crashes unless are consequences of packaging's fault are to reported to upstream, not arch
2023-08-27 17:40:00	causa_sui	BrainDamage: one more reason to dislike electron I guess. do you have any guess where I should go from here?
2023-08-27 17:40:04	another|	zxrom: pkgstats prove that to be false https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/packages?query=kicad
2023-08-27 17:40:05	phrik	Title: pkgstats.archlinux.de (at pkgstats.archlinux.de)
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2023-08-27 17:41:10	BrainDamage	causa_sui: first I guess would be if it's bundling its own electron or using the system's, then check out what fonts provide the glyph in question
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2023-08-27 17:41:22	zxrom	BrainDamage, I don't know the cause of the crashes.
2023-08-27 17:42:09	BrainDamage	zxrom: crashes that appear after the program has started are almost never due to packaging fault, those tend to appear right at start
2023-08-27 17:42:37	ℹ 	dok4440 es conocido ahora como BuiltLikeAFordFe
2023-08-27 17:42:49	BrainDamage	( there's the rare cases where something dlopens at runtime in the mid of the execution, but kicad doesn't to my knowledge )
2023-08-27 17:42:54	ℹ 	BuiltLikeAFordFe es conocido ahora como dok4440
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2023-08-27 17:46:17	zxrom	BrainDamage, The program does not immediately crash, it tries to work. But on some actions it crashes.
2023-08-27 17:46:53	gromit	zxrom: do you have something in "coredumpctl list"? 
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2023-08-27 17:47:50	zxrom	gromit, Sun 2023-08-27 18:33:12 +03 105787 1000 1000 SIGSEGV present  /usr/bin/kicad    39.6M
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2023-08-27 17:49:32	gromit	zxrom: nice, then you can create a backtracke with symbols using "coredumpctl gdb" and in the new shell "bt full"
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2023-08-27 17:52:30	zxrom	gromit, Now I will try to do it. And I also noticed that kicad does not exit when all its windows are closed. I end it with kill.
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2023-08-27 17:54:20	zxrom	I want to know the behavior of this program on other computers similar to my case?
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2023-08-27 17:56:41	susi	have you ran it from a shell, to see if it outputs anything relevant
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2023-08-27 17:57:39	zxrom	kicad
2023-08-27 17:57:39	zxrom	Starting plugin CircularZone
2023-08-27 17:57:45	zxrom	Starting plugin ViaStitching
2023-08-27 17:57:45	zxrom	Segmentation fault (core dumped)
2023-08-27 17:58:22	zxrom	These are typical messages in the console after a few minutes of work.
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2023-08-27 18:02:51	susi	zxrom: just random shoothing based on something I web-searched; try running it with mesa_glthread=false
2023-08-27 18:04:19	susi	and maybe by setting MESA_DEBUG to something informative
2023-08-27 18:04:52	zxrom	susi, Thanks for the idea. Is it an environment variable or a build option?
2023-08-27 18:04:59	susi	env var
2023-08-27 18:05:01	zxrom	OK
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2023-08-27 18:05:42	zxrom	I'm waiting for the debug symbols to finish loading. I have a cheap channel 3-5 megabits.
2023-08-27 18:05:43	susi	so `mesa_glthread=false kicad'
2023-08-27 18:05:55	zxrom	Yep, thanks!
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2023-08-27 18:09:23	zxrom	Hello, Odessa!
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2023-08-27 18:38:45	zxrom	gromit, #0  0xfffffffffffffd38 in  ()
2023-08-27 18:38:55	zxrom	#1  0x00007fcb061328ed in wxTextCtrl::DoGetSizeFromTextSize(int, int) const () at /usr/lib/libwx_gtk3u_core-3.2.so.0
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2023-08-27 18:42:58	zxrom	susi, mesa_glthread=false does not affect.
2023-08-27 18:50:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-08-27 19:02:06	gromit	zxrom: you could open a bug report with the trace
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2023-08-27 19:06:06	zxrom	gromit, I built version 7.99 from the AUR and found no familiar issues with it. Now I will try to build version 7.0.7. I will not create a bug report. Most likely this program in Ark is only for the collection, no one uses it. I thank you for your help. As an option, I will roll back to version 7.0.6.
2023-08-27 19:06:19	zxrom	Arch*
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2023-08-27 19:08:15	gromit	zxrom: I cant follow your reasoning, but great if the beta version works I guess..? 
2023-08-27 19:09:27	zxrom	gromit, Version 7.99 changes the file format, I won't be using this for my project.
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2023-08-27 19:09:57	zxrom	Shit happens.
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2023-08-27 19:11:41	zxrom	I've always wondered how all these bugs get through all the stages of development and package release. Nobody seems to care about quality :)
2023-08-27 19:12:04	Namarrgon	you could help them by filing bugreports
2023-08-27 19:12:14	Namarrgon	and testing the betas
2023-08-27 19:12:20	zxrom	The most important thing is that the latest version of the package is already in the repository! That's the main goal :)
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2023-08-27 19:24:24	ℹ 	eggie es conocido ahora como eggy
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2023-08-27 19:40:48	zxrom	What version of KiCAD should I use to install it in a Windows virtual machine and not be bothered by bugs?
2023-08-27 19:41:16	zxrom	:D
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2023-08-27 19:43:57	elg	could always write your own software and abandon the "pile of free shit", would help others with similar issues
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2023-08-27 19:48:16	zxrom	elg, You will not believe, but this idea came to my mind!
2023-08-27 19:48:34	zxrom	I'm beginning to suspect that KiCAD is a big piece of shit.
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2023-08-27 19:56:02	sshine	but is it free?
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2023-08-27 19:56:42	sensille	kicad is fine
2023-08-27 19:56:56	zxrom	sensille, What version?
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2023-08-27 19:57:34	sensille	no idea what i used last, sorry
2023-08-27 19:57:35	teraflops	zxrom: feel free to join #kicad and share your feelings with them
2023-08-27 19:57:49	zxrom	teraflops, OK
2023-08-27 19:59:19	mefistofeles	GOOD
2023-08-27 19:59:56	zxrom	Toxic environment :)
2023-08-27 20:00:05	heythere221	guys is there a possibility to use wildcards while searching thorugh repos with pacman? I mean stuff like: pacman -Ss name*restofname
2023-08-27 20:01:17	susi	I installed kicad, and did some random editing of one of the example projects, didn't crash during my testing... but I'm no familiar with the software
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2023-08-27 20:02:13	another|	zxrom: system up to date?
2023-08-27 20:02:25	zxrom	another|, Yep
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2023-08-27 20:02:50	another|	partial updates?
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2023-08-27 20:05:04	ℹ 	m42uko_ es conocido ahora como m42uko
2023-08-27 20:05:33	zxrom	another|, No.
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2023-08-27 20:06:35	another|	heythere221: `man pacman | grep search`
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2023-08-27 20:07:06	another|	e.g. `pacman -Ss 'linu.*lts'
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2023-08-27 20:14:45	heythere221	another|: Thx tried that but no luck
2023-08-27 20:15:12	heythere221	another|: aaaahh my bad. This Ss option searches packet description and not the actual name.
2023-08-27 20:15:29	another|	it searches both
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2023-08-27 20:16:46	heythere221	another|: pacman -Ss 'perl*pp' 
2023-08-27 20:16:50	heythere221	nothing comes up
2023-08-27 20:17:02	heythere221	  perl-yaml-pp
2023-08-27 20:17:08	heythere221	this should be coming up I guess?
2023-08-27 20:17:23	another|	that doesn't match the regex
2023-08-27 20:17:59	another|	note that a regex != wildcard
2023-08-27 20:18:04	BrainDamage	pacman uses regex, not globs
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2023-08-27 20:18:32	another|	right, globbing was the word I was looking for
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2023-08-27 20:19:20	another|	dot `.` matches any character. so `.*` means any character 0 or more times
2023-08-27 20:19:48	heythere221	is there a way to activate globbing then?
2023-08-27 20:20:10	BrainDamage	no, there is no glob support in pacman
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2023-08-27 20:20:26	another|	why would there be? regexes are more powerfull
2023-08-27 20:21:09	heythere221	All right thx!:) Yeah idk why just started out using linix about 4 months ago or so and didn't know the difference betweeen wild cards and globbing
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2023-08-27 20:22:19	susi	heythere221: so: pacman -Ss 'perl.*pp', or if you want it to end with pp, 'perl.*pp$'
2023-08-27 20:22:47	demonicmaniac1	and if you want to search the name mostly then ^perl.*pp$ so perl is at the beginning of the line
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2023-08-27 20:22:56	susi	globs are wildcard characters, like ? or *
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2023-08-27 20:23:47	Foxboron	-Ss doesn't use globs, but regex fwiw
2023-08-27 20:23:51	Foxboron	there is a difference
2023-08-27 20:24:02	heythere221	Foxboron: Yes thx just realized :D
2023-08-27 20:24:03	susi	I guess that was just covered about
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2023-08-28 03:05:34	Breadpudding	Not on this system but I'll double check just in case.
2023-08-28 03:08:28	Breadpudding	mpan: Just out of curiosity, do you have any held packages on your system?
2023-08-28 03:09:25	mpan	Breadpudding: no. linux is held at the currently running kernel version, but that should affect nothing.
2023-08-28 03:09:38	mpan	Do you? :>
2023-08-28 03:09:41	Breadpudding	I have pacman and glibc under HoldPkg
2023-08-28 03:09:49	mpan	Oh, wait. HoldPkg, not IgnorePkg.
2023-08-28 03:10:00	mpan	Yes, these two are HoldPkg and they should be.
2023-08-28 03:10:17	Breadpudding	Okay, just making sure I didn't do something stupid and forget about about.
2023-08-28 03:10:30	Breadpudding	about it*
2023-08-28 03:10:35	mpan	HoldPkg is a safety net against removing packages.
2023-08-28 03:10:50	Breadpudding	I think I confused it with IgnorePkg myself lol
2023-08-28 03:10:51	mpan	I thought you mean IgnorePkg, because this is usually what people use (and what causes troble)
2023-08-28 03:11:13	Breadpudding	I've only ignored a package once and it was my Nvidia driver when they sent out a bad update
2023-08-28 03:12:33	Breadpudding	Another sanity check: How many dbusses are running on your system? pidof dbus-daemon
2023-08-28 03:12:44	mpan	3
2023-08-28 03:12:54	Breadpudding	I have two
2023-08-28 03:12:55	mpan	Out of which only 2 are relevant.
2023-08-28 03:13:05	mpan	The third one is spawned by accessibility services.
2023-08-28 03:14:02	Breadpudding	So 551 is the system dbus in my case and 801 is the user dbus?
2023-08-28 03:14:26	mpan	Given that 801 was reported for UID 1000 (your UID), probably yes.
2023-08-28 03:14:53	Breadpudding	Wait
2023-08-28 03:14:54	mpan	And this one will be poked when invoking `systemctl` with `--user` flag.
2023-08-28 03:15:12	Breadpudding	Hang on a minute, I need to check something.
2023-08-28 03:15:58	Breadpudding	So remember the systemctl command that wouldn't run? It's working now.
2023-08-28 03:16:09	Breadpudding	Still no audio in Minecraft, but that's still a plus.
2023-08-28 03:16:10	mefistofeles	good
2023-08-28 03:16:11	mefistofeles	!next
2023-08-28 03:16:11	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2023-08-28 03:16:32	mpan	Breadpudding: how was that resolved?
2023-08-28 03:16:42	Breadpudding	That's an excellent question...
2023-08-28 03:16:56	mpan	Also note that the Minecraft+pipewire issue may be separate. But certainly something was not working in this case too.
2023-08-28 03:17:53	Breadpudding	So the user commands for systemctl work but I still have the VSCode and Minecraft audio issues like before.
2023-08-28 03:18:35	mpan	ok, so now… do you get any related errors in the journal? Or what are errors reported by VSCode or Minecraft, if any?
2023-08-28 03:18:38	mpan	!paste
2023-08-28 03:18:40	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-08-28 03:19:01	⚡ 	mpan does not use pipewire, so only basic help could be offered from mpan.
2023-08-28 03:21:47	Breadpudding	Not getting the home1 errors in journalctl anymore. VSCode still throws an error about not finding the keyring but Minecraft doesn't throw anything besides it not finding a text to speech library it worked perfectly fine without before.
2023-08-28 03:22:32	Breadpudding	Interestingly, it's using OpenAL internally which seems to be defaulting to JACK default in this case.
2023-08-28 03:23:51	Scimmia	...but you have pipewire-jack, right?
2023-08-28 03:24:01	Breadpudding	Yes, I do.
2023-08-28 03:24:09	Scimmia	so that shouldn't be a problem
2023-08-28 03:26:37	Breadpudding	Well I seem to have solved that one myself by opening qpwgraph and seeing that while the JACK client was there, it wasn't connected to my audio output.
2023-08-28 03:26:56	Breadpudding	I'm glad that's all it was in this case
2023-08-28 03:27:56	Breadpudding	Still curious about the dbus issue though. I'm not sure why it suddenly decided to throw a fit or what fixed it, but I'll see if I can find a cause if it happens again(which is most certianly will).
2023-08-28 03:32:13	Breadpudding	Thanks to mpan and Scimmia for helping me
2023-08-28 03:34:42	mpan	#archlinux-rubberduck TBH
2023-08-28 03:34:57	bonob	ext4 and XFS provide settings to optimize their behavior when sitting on a RAID array. Does btrfs also proposes similar settings?
2023-08-28 03:40:16	rcf	bonob: btrfs includes the RAID functionality itself. 
2023-08-28 03:40:28	rcf	Whether you should rely on it is another matter. 
2023-08-28 03:44:32	bonob	I want RAID5, which btrfs doesn't include, which is why I'm wondering about that particular question
2023-08-28 03:44:57	bonob	I mean, btrfs strongly discourage, so I prefer to not use it..
2023-08-28 03:49:26	bonob	sorry, restating: I would like RAID5 for my setup, and I don't want to hazard into btrfs RAID5, so I would like to sit btrfs on top of a mdadm RAID5 array. I couldn't find how to optimize stride and stripe width in that context though..
2023-08-28 03:57:32	bonob	let me ask from a different angle, your patience appreciated: how are a block device level RAID and a filesystem RAID different?
2023-08-28 04:01:59	atari2600a	hey, how would I go about making remount-fs.service retry on failures?  I got my home mounted to the sd card slot in the brutal way (/dev/sdb1 > /home/
2023-08-28 04:02:32	mpan	Block-level RAID offers a block device and the file-system has no idea about it. While with fs-based approach the file system just sees more space or knows it must perform additional stuff. But with btrfs the issue is not of technical difference between these two, but that btrfs itself has RAID5 horribly broken and therefore unusable.,
2023-08-28 04:02:33	atari2600a	it's, like, the one thing keeping this chromebook from being stable
2023-08-28 04:03:30	mpan	bonob: ↑
2023-08-28 04:03:38	atari2600a	normally I don't use this dbuss-ey stuff.  But, you know, KDE....Next time I'm engineering my own DE
2023-08-28 04:05:01	atari2600a	I don't even like KDE.  But it's the only one where it didn't throw an absolute fit with the keymap set to anything not en-us
2023-08-28 04:05:24	atari2600a	I mean, gnome, but, this is a chromebook
2023-08-28 04:08:51	atari2600a	hey I think I'm starting to recognize a few of your handles & ip's on my extensive drop table
2023-08-28 04:10:51	atari2600a	man, I forgot how dead irc has gotten
2023-08-28 04:11:35	sheep	it's not that dead, but it is sunday evening in the US
2023-08-28 04:11:44	Namarrgon	what are you trying to achieve?
2023-08-28 04:12:33	mpan	atari2600a: it’s more likely nobody answers, because the setup sounds pretty weird and wonky already, and answering the question directly will likely produce more trouble.
2023-08-28 04:13:40	atari2600a	lol yeah everyone's probably all 'noooo ur supposed to symlink your user folder & keep /home/ on the root fs'
2023-08-28 04:13:53	atari2600a	Windows has the same structural problem
2023-08-28 04:14:46	atari2600a	but then I'd have to bog the root heiarchy with a /mnt & I was all...let's make this work. It works, like, 80% of the time.  The other 20 it crashes loginctl
2023-08-28 04:15:22	Namarrgon	what is the actual problem?
2023-08-28 04:15:35	Dworin	I have had a few system lockups lately. journalctl ends by spamming 'under memory pressure - flushing caches' every few seconds and then nothing. When I get to my pc in the morning, the only thing that works is just interrupt the power. Even the sysrq keys don't respond. Is there a way to figure out what's going on?
2023-08-28 04:16:19	mpan	Dworin: do you have big swap space and, at the same time, you can see high HDD/SSD activity?
2023-08-28 04:17:41	Dworin	mpan: I wasn't at my pc when this happened. When I get to it the pc is totally unresponsive and also silent. But it's ssd so that may not be sayiong much. I have 4G RAM and 4G swap.
2023-08-28 04:18:24	atari2600a	for me, my problem is sometimes the sd card adapter doesn't get things online fast enough when resuming from suspend. The raspberry pi firmware has a similar situation going on where its init process is built around retrying failed adapters in the efi boot order
2023-08-28 04:18:36	mpan	Dworin: no, no, after you returned.
2023-08-28 04:19:01	mpan	Dworin: however, if it was completely silent, do you mean it seemed like turned off? Perhaps it goes into hibernation?
2023-08-28 04:20:20	atari2600a	Dworin: check for sleep-then-hibernate in your /etc/systemd/sleep.conf  It's good practice to make a swap file twice as large as your memory footprint without supporting hibernation (resume=) & about 3x WITH hibernation
2023-08-28 04:20:22	Dworin	mpan: the only sign of life was the led on the power switch. numlock/capslock/sysrq, ctrl/alt/F2, no response. Hibernate? I don't know pc's do that, never did that before. I thought that's a laptop thing
2023-08-28 04:20:24	bonob	thanks for your input, mpan! After a couple days research I would say it's clear that btrfs on top of mdadm is a common practice, yet it's difficult to search (because of the ambiguity between btrfs RAID and btrfs on top of RAID). I have the setup now, so I'll try to do some benchmarks on my feeble home system ^^
2023-08-28 04:22:30	Dworin	atari2600a: ah, there is mention of hibernate there but suspend-then-hibernate. Should I just set them to no?
2023-08-28 04:24:02	atari2600a	I'd consult the docs (wiki/man)
2023-08-28 04:25:34	mpan	I was asking about HDD, because a complete lock-up could be a sign of an OOM condition with a runaway memory leak (it would “thaw” at some point, but that may take ages). The other suspicion is that suspending happens, but somehow goes wrong.
2023-08-28 04:35:43	Dworin	looking further, it seems rtkit-daemon is pretty regularly spamming it's messages about xx threads of yy processes of 1 user. I guess that means the system isn't suspended? Or does it wake up for that every time?
2023-08-28 04:37:17	dviola	let's say I replace mesa with mesa-git, do I just rebuild everything else that shows up with pactree -r mesa?
2023-08-28 04:43:37	Dworin	and, cat  /sys/power/mem_sleep tells me deep is the only thing supported. I take it suspend would be shallow?
2023-08-28 05:41:58	P1ro	Hi, im trying to create a custom img for a fast restore boot, something like a liveusb, with a few things, ssh-keys for passwordless access, two users, and borgbackup, so far best way i have done it, is installing it on a usb and then dd the usb, but with i dd the entire usb (to keep boot)  file result is 32G wich is logic for all the usb, how i can make this into a 2g img ? or what other
2023-08-28 05:41:58	P1ro	suggestion ? thanks 
2023-08-28 06:00:06	SnowRaptor	\quit
2023-08-28 08:05:57	HumanLove	prime-run not wokring wezterm?
2023-08-28 08:06:01	HumanLove	prime-run wezterm
2023-08-28 08:06:05	HumanLove	im rruning
2023-08-28 08:07:44	HumanLove	??
2023-08-28 08:11:02	HumanLove	kitty is working fine with it?
2023-08-28 08:20:37	ville	i noticed adwaita-qt5 and adwaita-qt6 packages have been removed from aur. are there successor packages?
2023-08-28 08:37:03	mpan	ville: hello. PKGBUILDs were removed from AUR, because now it’s an officially shipped package⁽¹⁾⁽²⁾. However, for some reason it’s not in the repos — I do not know why.
2023-08-28 08:38:08	mpan	⁽¹⁾ <https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/aur-requests@lists.archlinux.org/message/QYNMFGSQAY2HRLE5JL4OI7BQCD3BVR45/>. ⁽²⁾ <https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/adwaita-qt> 
2023-08-28 08:38:10	phrik	Title: [aur-requests] [PRQ#34624] Deletion Request for adwaita-qt - Aur-requests - lists.archlinux.org (at lists.archlinux.org)
2023-08-28 08:41:55	ville	mpan: ah ok. yeah was sort of expecting to see that they were in the real tree now. thanks
2023-08-28 08:42:16	mpan	But the built package itself is somehow missing from the repos. And for that I have no answer.
2023-08-28 08:42:33	ville	once that gets sorted do i need to take steps to migrate over?
2023-08-28 08:43:00	mpan	You already have a version built by yourself (e.g. from AUR) installed?
2023-08-28 08:43:17	ville	yes
2023-08-28 08:43:49	mpan	Then it *is being* updated by pacman for a year already. I stress “is”, as it has been since it appeared in the official repos.
2023-08-28 08:46:06	BrainDamage	is being is not necessary, it could be a leftover from back then
2023-08-28 08:46:45	mpan	Another package in official repos (and packged) has it in makedepends.
2023-08-28 08:46:48	BrainDamage	does the package appear as a foreign package?
2023-08-28 08:46:50	mpan	(by the same maintainer)
2023-08-28 08:47:16	mpan	Oh, you meant it in a different meaning. Scratch the last 2 messages. :)
2023-08-28 09:00:14	vee	its on the webarchive ( https://archive.org/download/archlinux_pkg_adwaita-qt5 and can replace 5 to 6 ) - those latest versions there are what i have in my cache from sometime between nov-jan 
2023-08-28 09:00:16	phrik	Title: archlinux_pkg_adwaita-qt5 directory listing (at archive.org)
2023-08-28 10:00:44	⚡ 	hao test
2023-08-28 10:01:04	mpan	hao: welcome to IRC. You are being received.
2023-08-28 10:03:29	hao	just got archlinux installed, can't decide what to do next... (not a question)
2023-08-28 10:03:54	tralala	hao, enjoy it!
2023-08-28 10:03:57	gromit	hao: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/General_recommendations
2023-08-28 10:03:58	phrik	Title: General recommendations - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-28 10:04:21	hao	It's supprising it support my usb wifi dongle natively, I was expecting to put lots of time to get wifi going, nice surprise :D
2023-08-28 10:04:51	mpan	Consider using your time as a newbie to break it. The more experienced you get, the harder breaking Arch becomes! ;)
2023-08-28 10:06:17	BrainDamage	build up resistance against bigger problems by breaking your system in small ways over time
2023-08-28 10:06:40	hao	I'm planning to build as minimal as I can, for now I got a wayland compositor (hyprland), firefox, sublime-text, tmux and mpv. seems enough for now
2023-08-28 10:11:12	vee	you need emacs!
2023-08-28 10:12:15	tralala	everyone needs emacs!
2023-08-28 10:21:13	sshine	yo dawg. I heard you like operating systems.
2023-08-28 10:41:57	susi	wouldn't say that... OSes are so complex, especially nowadays, can't comprehend em well enough to really like 
2023-08-28 10:42:43	zoug	hello, I have a problem while trying to refresh the pacman DB. I've not used this computer for two weeks, it told me when trying to update that everything is up-to-date. But it's not : firefox is v115 for me, on here (https://archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&q=firefox) it says v116 is out. I've tried `pacman -Syyu` to no avail. Any help appreciated,
2023-08-28 10:42:43	zoug	thanks a lot!
2023-08-28 10:42:48	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2023-08-28 10:43:10	gromit	zoug: did you already try switching mirrors? 
2023-08-28 10:43:47	zoug	gromit: not yet, I'll try, thank you for the suggestion
2023-08-28 10:44:27	zoug	gromit: thanks a lot, it works now.
2023-08-28 10:55:46	gromit	zoug: noice! 
2023-08-28 11:24:42	jclsn	Can someone tell me why some special fonts are shown as two rectangles? I am using the nerdfonts package. It works well on my other distros. Maybe I am missing a package on Arch
2023-08-28 11:31:29	crazybyte	Hi folks, I'd like to ask what if there's any policy about packages in the *-Testing repository. For how long can they sit there before being promoted to related stable branch? For instance, `waybar v0.9.22` is in Extra-Testing since 10d+, when can I expect to find it in Extra?
2023-08-28 11:32:51	gromit	crazybyte: yes there is a policy https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Official_repositories#Testing_repositories
2023-08-28 11:32:52	phrik	Title: Official repositories - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-28 11:34:57	gromit	there are no signoffs for waybar so far
2023-08-28 11:46:37	crazybyte	gromit I'm not familiar with the signoff procedure. Are signoffs provided by volunteers who try the package in testing and verify that it is working without any breakage?
2023-08-28 11:49:32	gromit	crazybyte: yes, by the arch testing team https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team
2023-08-28 11:49:33	phrik	Title: Arch Testing Team - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-28 11:49:54	gromit	crazybyte: arch is a volunteer effort only, so everyone is a volunteer ;) 
2023-08-28 11:50:49	Foxboron	packages staying 1-2 weeks in testing isn't uncommon. But waybar has probably been forgotten :p
2023-08-28 11:52:39	vee	jclsn: could be the terminal is not set to use utf8, locales, ect  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Locale 
2023-08-28 11:52:41	phrik	Title: Locale - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-28 11:58:47	crazybyte	gromit according to the criteria specified at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Official_repositories#Testing_repositories I think `waybar` could simply be released in Extra avoiding Extra-Testing all together. Am I correct?
2023-08-28 11:58:48	phrik	Title: Official repositories - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-28 11:59:34	gromit	crazybyte: yeah it could be I think
2023-08-28 11:59:56	crazybyte	in any case, I could volunteer myself to test and eventually signoff waybar from Extra-Testing, both for this time and for future updates
2023-08-28 12:00:41	crazybyte	But I guess I have to create a tester-account for that... right?
2023-08-28 12:02:08	raster	jclsn:  a box is a sign of "no glyph provided".
2023-08-28 12:02:46	raster	so no font in all the fonts tried to provide that glyph provide it.
2023-08-28 12:04:04	raster	fontconfig is normally used as the logic to go "look in font x for glyph a. if not there find a matching font that could matcht he geomtry etc. ofthe main selected font and loom for the same glyph there - if not in there find another font etc." ...
2023-08-28 12:04:23	demonicmaniac1	jclsn: probably have other fonts on other machines they can fall back to for the glyph
2023-08-28 12:04:33	raster	it may be you are missing sufficient installed "Fallback" fonts for fontconfig to find something matching
2023-08-28 12:04:39	demonicmaniac1	that
2023-08-28 12:05:41	raster	btw glyph is a technical term for a "letter" or "character"  in font-world terminology it's different to your ascii char or ucs32 char (or utf8 or utf16) etc.
2023-08-28 12:05:51	raster	closely related ... but not actually the same thing :)
2023-08-28 12:55:09	phonemic	Is freedesktop.org down? I'm trying to get here to research a pipewire question. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/wikis/FAQ#what-are-those-analog-stereo-and-digital-stereo-iec958-profile
2023-08-28 12:55:26	jelle	phonemic: it is
2023-08-28 12:55:32	phonemic	Thanks
2023-08-28 12:56:30	jelle	not sure if it's expected maintenance
2023-08-28 12:56:43	phonemic	that doesn't sound good
2023-08-28 12:57:58	phonemic	maybe someone here can answer the question. i am using an external USB DAC/Amp. I have the option of Analog, Digital (SPDIF), or Pro Audio for the output.
2023-08-28 12:58:38	jelle	phonemic: btw tried the webarchive, it should have that link
2023-08-28 12:58:39	phonemic	They all seem to work but I'd like to understand what's happening with each. I want to pass the PCM directly to the DAC.
2023-08-28 13:09:45	BrainDamage	you're always passing pcm, also, please don't call it a dac, a dac is not what it is, it's an audio card, a dac is only a small portion of an audio card
2023-08-28 13:09:59	BrainDamage	for one, you're not using a dac when you use spdif
2023-08-28 13:11:08	BrainDamage	wrt it still working, it likely means that either the card ignores the profile setting, not sure if it always pipes the audio to all outputs or it's not switching the output at all
2023-08-28 13:14:30	phonemic	So both the "Analog" and "Digital" profiles pass raw PCM without any processing?
2023-08-28 13:15:14	BrainDamage	they all pass raw PCM, the "any processing" needs a bit of unpacking
2023-08-28 13:15:54	BrainDamage	~all sound servers for instance will do resampling if the source doesn't match the destination sample rates
2023-08-28 13:16:50	BrainDamage	and if a stream is concurrently playing, they'll need to do mixing too, and if the streams have different sample rates, then one of them will have to be resampled even if the hw supports both individually
2023-08-28 13:19:35	BrainDamage	in practice also most sound servers open the hw at a single sample rate regardless of the source and then resample everything that doesn't match
2023-08-28 13:20:00	phonemic	Makes sense with multiple streams. Is that why I see "S32_LE" when I run this even though I am playing 16-bit audio? `cat /proc/asound/card2/pcm0p/sub0/hw_params`
2023-08-28 13:20:36	phonemic	The sample rate appears to be dynamically switching correctly based on the source
2023-08-28 13:22:20	BrainDamage	yes, that's your hardware native sample size
2023-08-28 13:23:14	BrainDamage	one that, if I may add, if you're not doing audio production is overkill and a marketing gimmick
2023-08-28 13:23:26	BrainDamage	because 16 bit already hits and exceeds the limits of human hearing
2023-08-28 13:23:54	phonemic	yeah i don't have any 32 bit files. I do have a lot of 24 bit.
2023-08-28 13:24:07	BrainDamage	24 bit is still overkill and a waste
2023-08-28 13:24:26	BrainDamage	you're wasting 50% space more for nothing you can hear
2023-08-28 13:24:39	phonemic	So, I'm still left with the question of which to use. 
2023-08-28 13:24:55	phonemic	Which output - analog or digital
2023-08-28 13:25:22	BrainDamage	if you have a jack plugged, analog, if you're using the coax or the fiber optical then digital
2023-08-28 13:25:32	phonemic	It's USB
2023-08-28 13:25:40	jclsn	demonicmaniac1: Thanks, I will try to install some other fonts
2023-08-28 13:26:01	BrainDamage	but what's it plugged on the other side?
2023-08-28 13:26:11	BrainDamage	not how it's plugged to the pc
2023-08-28 13:27:00	BrainDamage	if you don't know, then there's 99% chance you want analog, because speakers and headphones don't accept digital input
2023-08-28 13:27:08	phonemic	Laptop -> DAP -> Headphones
2023-08-28 13:27:21	phonemic	Laptop -> DAP is USB
2023-08-28 13:27:27	BrainDamage	then analog
2023-08-28 13:27:38	phonemic	can you elaborate?
2023-08-28 13:28:56	BrainDamage	it's just asking you what's plugged in after your audio card, since you said headphones, which accept an analog signal, you have to put analog
2023-08-28 13:30:44	phonemic	All sources eventually end in analog. Is it not asking what type of signal I want sent to the DAP? I want the PCM stream decoded there. Not on the laptop.
2023-08-28 13:31:27	BrainDamage	no, it's asking what kind of signal to output from the audio card
2023-08-28 13:31:39	bittcrak	hello!!!
2023-08-28 13:31:43	bittcrak	finally
2023-08-28 13:31:48	BrainDamage	the signal is always decoded there
2023-08-28 13:32:02	BrainDamage	provided the audio card is selected as output
2023-08-28 13:32:20	BrainDamage	it's not asking you what format to pass data over
2023-08-28 13:32:56	BrainDamage	the format is always pcm, with the strict exception of hdmi that allows passing encoded audio
2023-08-28 13:34:00	phonemic	That's interesting. Why would sound be playing then when I select "Digital"? There are no COAX or Optical SPDIF ports on this DAP.
2023-08-28 13:34:37	phonemic	I realize that might be sound card/DAP specific....
2023-08-28 13:35:25	BrainDamage	as I already said earlier, either it outputs to all outputs simultaneously and ignores the profile, or it ignores the profile and never switches the output
2023-08-28 13:35:47	bittcrak	noobie here, tried installing thunderbird and playx but it keeps popping this error :: installing icu (73.2-2) breaks dependency 'libicuuc.so=72-64' required by freerdp
2023-08-28 13:36:26	phonemic	BrainDamage: Got it. So it's available, but basically nothing is happening.
2023-08-28 13:37:07	BrainDamage	bittcrak: playx is not an official package, how did you install it?
2023-08-28 13:37:22	gromit	bittcrak: let me guess, you are using chaotic aur
2023-08-28 13:37:43	phonemic	BrainDamage: What is happening under the hood when I adjust the mixer volume on the laptop? I assumed that would be disabled if I am passing raw PCM.
2023-08-28 13:37:45	bittcrak	yes
2023-08-28 13:37:59	bittcrak	i tried it from aur
2023-08-28 13:38:53	BrainDamage	phonemic: the implementation is driver-specific, in some cases the internal gain of the audio card is adjusted, in others the stream gets multiplied digitally
2023-08-28 13:39:23	bittcrak	gromit: but not chaotic-aur i did it using yay
2023-08-28 13:40:16	BrainDamage	'gain' is nothing but multiplication by a constant
2023-08-28 13:43:21	phonemic	BrainDamage: Probably a silly question. I didn't install any drivers, so this would be a kernel driver?
2023-08-28 13:44:27	BrainDamage	yes, near the totality of the drivers in linux are in the kernel, there's a tiny exception of libusb ones, but I'm not aware of any audio card using them, and you'd need to install those explicitly anyway
2023-08-28 13:48:24	bittcrak	I tried installing libreoffice via pacman and it gives the same error. No forum questions have any answers, at least none that I looked at anyways
2023-08-28 13:48:53	gromit	bittcrak: I suspect you did a partial update at some point ... Does a pacman -Syu work? 
2023-08-28 13:52:01	bittcrak	gromit: nope throws this error: failed to synchronize all databases (unable to lock database)
2023-08-28 13:53:24	BrainDamage	do you have another instance of pacman running?
2023-08-28 13:53:30	astralc	you run with sudo or as root? check no other pacman is running
2023-08-28 14:00:51	bittcrak	BrainDamage: Nope its not running anywhere 
2023-08-28 14:01:07	BrainDamage	then delete the lockfile
2023-08-28 14:05:43	crazybyte	> gromit according to the criteria specified at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Official_repositories#Testing_repositories I think `waybar` could simply be released in Extra avoiding Extra-Testing all together. Am I correct?
2023-08-28 14:05:43	crazybyte	Tho whom do you think I need to talk to avoid waybar to go trough the extra-testing repo next time? Would the maintainer be enough?
2023-08-28 14:05:45	phrik	Title: Official repositories - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-28 14:05:46	bittcrak	BrainDamage: lockfile for freerpd right?
2023-08-28 14:06:09	BrainDamage	the one for pacman
2023-08-28 14:06:31	BrainDamage	crazybyte: yes, the maintainer
2023-08-28 14:07:34	gromit	crazybyte: Yes the maintainer decides that .. But it might have been a concious decision, dunno 
2023-08-28 14:07:48	gromit	in this case it might have been forgotten, who knows :D 
2023-08-28 14:09:43	bittcrak	BrainDamage: there isnt any for pacman
2023-08-28 14:10:25	BrainDamage	you said yourself 'nope throws this error: failed to synchronize all databases (unable to lock database)'
2023-08-28 14:10:26	crazybyte	anyone know which is the  Brett Cornwall's handle here on IRC? ainola is not registered. https://gitlab.archlinux.org/ainola
2023-08-28 14:10:31	phrik	Title: Brett Cornwall · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-08-28 14:10:49	bittcrak	BrainDamage: tried sudo pacman -Syy
2023-08-28 14:10:57	bittcrak	and its updating
2023-08-28 14:11:38	rs2009	is it possible to run multiple builds with pkgctl simultaneously? (attempting to build all of the packages in core, about ~200)
2023-08-28 14:13:28	bittcrak	UPDATE so -Syy worked and now -Syu is working and icu is getting an upgrade
2023-08-28 14:13:45	crazybyte	arojas could you take care of promoting waybar v0.9.22 to Extra? It is stuck in Extra-Testing since 10d+ (probably forgotten). Moreover, can we have it submitted directly to Extra next time? Looking at the criteria for *-Testing repo (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Official_repositories#Testing_repositories), waybar doesn't seem to match them.
2023-08-28 14:13:47	phrik	Title: Official repositories - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-28 14:14:04	bittcrak	I think it was not working because I installed blackarch vai slim and many packages were outdated
2023-08-28 14:14:42	dviola	if someone were to replace llvm-libs with llvm-libs-git, would it be accurate to say that one also needs to rebuild everything that links against it?
2023-08-28 14:24:01	arojas	crazybyte: that's not true, it was moved to testing less than 24 hours ago. Also, I have nothing to do with the package.
2023-08-28 14:24:18	dviola	"It does not add automation features such as enabling a service simply because the package was installed." https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux
2023-08-28 14:24:20	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-28 14:24:34	dviola	does that also includes enabling sockets?
2023-08-28 14:24:47	dviola	as in, socket activation
2023-08-28 14:25:52	dviola	because I know arch enables those by default for certain packages, i.e. pipewire
2023-08-28 14:26:00	dviola	I was wondering about it the other day
2023-08-28 15:06:01	MrElendig	pw is one of very few exceptions
2023-08-28 15:06:32	MrElendig	dbus activated things like notification daemons are another
2023-08-28 15:10:14	happy_hacker	Should `pacman -Fy .xinitrc` tell me if an Arch package provided that file?  And if not, we can deduce that it was put there by me?
2023-08-28 15:12:58	MrElendig	happy_hacker: arch packages does not touch $HOME
2023-08-28 15:13:20	MrElendig	(/etc/skel/ is a thing though)
2023-08-28 15:14:01	dviola	MrElendig: I see, thanks
2023-08-28 15:15:38	happy_hacker	MrElendig: I don't have anything except .bash_logout, .bash_profile, .bashrc, and .screenrc in there.  Will keep digging to learn why I made that .xinitrc and do I need it.
2023-08-28 15:16:13	MrElendig	you most likely don't if you use a dm
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2023-08-28 15:43:33	plitter	Hey, I wanted to try opentabletdriver while I was working. So I rmmod wacom, started the opentabletdriver unit, and touch didn't work, but the pen did. Since I don't use the pen as much (sometimes for variation) I disabled and stopped the opentabletdriver, modprobe wacom. But the tablet didn't work. So I unplugged and replugged the tablet. Still nothing. Reboot and nothing... Not sure what is
2023-08-28 15:43:36	plitter	happening.
2023-08-28 15:44:06	plitter	lsusb has found the tablet.
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2023-08-28 15:47:13	plitter	I'm on wayland and sway, and the tablet isn't in get_inputs command, so I guess I should go to sway
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2023-08-28 15:58:18	crazybyte	arojas I see from the git commit that v0.9.22 was pushed on August 17 (https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/waybar/-/commit/5c97f212a090ef4475440e4bccb4dc8410e39134). Isn't that the date when the package is published to extra-testing? BTW I tagged you as I found you as one of the commiter in the recent git history for waybar
2023-08-28 15:58:19	phrik	Title: Sign in · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2023-08-28 16:32:52	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
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2023-08-28 18:31:48	jl2	hi, the audio output on my headphones (jobra evolve) gets horrible when i start pavucontrol. I use pipewire+wireplumber
2023-08-28 18:32:32	jl2	it dowsnt happen on any other audio output (boombox, internal speakers, audio jack)
2023-08-28 18:33:18	jl2	it doesn't happen with spotify which uses pulseaudio too, so i have no clue from where it could come
2023-08-28 18:34:53	jl2	I mean it sounds normal for everything until i open pavucontrol
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2023-08-28 18:39:45	dviola	jl2: does it happen with pulsemixer too?
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2023-08-28 18:41:10	jl2	nope
2023-08-28 18:41:24	jl2	stays high quality
2023-08-28 18:42:00	dviola	then probably some misconfiguration with pavucontrol, check the volumes and profiles
2023-08-28 18:42:10	jl2	maybe i should tell you how it sounds: it gets like muffled, whole thing sounds deeper and no bass or treble
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2023-08-28 18:42:46	jl2	that crashed something
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2023-08-28 18:43:50	jl2	aha it was on mono autput - problemo solvedo
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2023-08-28 18:44:01	jl2	thx dviola!
2023-08-28 18:44:05	dviola	np
2023-08-28 18:45:17	jl2	btw do you by chance know a pipewire alternative to pavucontrol
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2023-08-28 18:47:04	consus	pipewire devs say "don't bother use pavucontrol"
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2023-08-28 18:50:15	susi	I use just `pactl' 
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2023-08-28 18:52:12	teraflops	jl2: pavucontrol is perfectly fine
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2023-08-28 18:53:33	susi	for example, when you plug in HDMI and want to redirect audio, you might do something like `pactl set-card-profile <TAB> output:hdmi-audio'
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2023-08-28 18:55:28	bf_	somehow the super key in my gnome-shell doesnt work any more. Does anybody else know about this problem?
2023-08-28 18:56:00	jl2	does it show up in xev/wev?
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2023-08-28 18:57:01	bf_	nope, does not show in wev
2023-08-28 18:57:09	bf_	alt+ctrl work
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2023-08-28 18:57:22	jl2	yeah, no i like GUIs since i last got blueberry and iwgtk and it fits in (the only use case i hace is to replace the audio stream of a game with spotify)
2023-08-28 18:57:23	bf_	also not in showkey
2023-08-28 18:57:24	bf_	weird
2023-08-28 18:57:50	jl2	sounds defect - but i ain't a pro, don't trust my word
2023-08-28 18:57:57	susi	bf_: `xmodmap' 
2023-08-28 18:58:01	susi	check its output
2023-08-28 18:58:45	bf_	susi: https://paste.rs/jWWYL.txt
2023-08-28 18:58:47	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-08-28 18:58:51	bf_	both left and right super does not register
2023-08-28 18:58:52	jl2	bye - dinner calls :)
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2023-08-28 18:59:12	bf_	oh okay
2023-08-28 18:59:15	bf_	its a hardware issue
2023-08-28 18:59:24	bf_	there's a "gaming" modifier on my logitech g910 keyboard
2023-08-28 18:59:25	bf_	wow
2023-08-28 18:59:35	susi	you mean, a hardware feature
2023-08-28 18:59:43	bf_	thx for helping susi jl2
2023-08-28 19:00:12	bf_	https://www.reddit.com/r/LogitechG/comments/inzif9/what_does_this_key_do_it_is_on_the_g613_is_there/
2023-08-28 19:00:14	phrik	Title: What does this key do? It is on the G613. Is there any other special keys and features on this keyboard? I already know about the the g keys. : LogitechG (at www.reddit.com)
2023-08-28 19:00:23	bf_	the small things :)
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2023-08-28 19:12:49	betabube	I just put an nvidia gtx 1650 into my archlinux and tried to boot, but it always hangs on systemd-udevd triggering uevents... the only way i can boot is with nomodeset kernel parameter, what should i do? i've used intel hd graphics before (uhd 630)
2023-08-28 19:13:47	Namarrgon	betabube: did you install the proprietary drivers?
2023-08-28 19:14:02	Namarrgon	nouveau is a bit picky on "modern" chips
2023-08-28 19:14:06	betabube	Namarrgon: yeah, i've installed nvidia nvidia-utils lib32-nvidia-utils
2023-08-28 19:14:14	Namarrgon	is nouveau in the initramfs?
2023-08-28 19:14:27	betabube	i dont know
2023-08-28 19:14:34	betabube	in mkinitcpio.conf?
2023-08-28 19:14:44	Namarrgon	lsinitcpio /boot/initramfs-linux.img |grep -i nouveau
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2023-08-28 19:15:53	betabube	usr/lib/modules/6.4.12-arch1-1/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/
2023-08-28 19:15:55	betabube	usr/lib/modules/6.4.12-arch1-1/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/nouveau.ko
2023-08-28 19:16:03	betabube	looks like ?
2023-08-28 19:16:38	Namarrgon	what about nvidia?
2023-08-28 19:16:44	betabube	oh i just read that i've to remove `kms` from hooks
2023-08-28 19:16:58	betabube	nvidia is also in there
2023-08-28 19:17:08	Namarrgon	then nouveau should be blacklisted
2023-08-28 19:17:31	betabube	ok trying to reboot now...
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2023-08-28 19:21:51	betabube	Namarrgon: I got further, but I'm stuck here now: https://i.imgur.com/wNXB35J.jpeg
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2023-08-28 19:23:00	Namarrgon	how long have you waited at that screen? can you switch to the next vt?
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2023-08-28 19:24:00	Namarrgon	also, make sure to set up early-kms: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#Early_loading
2023-08-28 19:24:01	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-08-28 19:24:18	betabube	Namarrgon: maybe 30 secs?
2023-08-28 19:24:36	betabube	early kms is only so the terminal font is better?
2023-08-28 19:24:38	Namarrgon	did you set up a graphical DM?
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2023-08-28 19:24:48	Namarrgon	no, it won't help with terminal fonts
2023-08-28 19:25:16	betabube	dwm
2023-08-28 19:25:20	betabube	and gnome
2023-08-28 19:25:29	Namarrgon	DM, not WM
2023-08-28 19:25:35	betabube	oh, no
2023-08-28 19:25:35	Namarrgon	GDM, SDDM, etc
2023-08-28 19:25:48	betabube	used to run gdm, but now just use xinit
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2023-08-28 19:26:54	betabube	don't what i need that drm setting for but ok
2023-08-28 19:27:03	betabube	always though kms and drm is optional
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2023-08-28 19:29:36	betabube	wish me luck :x
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2023-08-28 19:52:02	ℹ 	resonanttoe9 es conocido ahora como resonanttoe
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2023-08-28 20:12:46	Soni	what causes this to repeat infinitely in strace? ioctl(4, SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_HWSYNC, 0x1)   = 0
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2023-08-28 20:19:07	susi	strace of what?
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2023-08-28 20:24:09	Soni	ffmpeg
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2023-08-28 20:24:17	Soni	maybe a reboot will fix it
2023-08-28 20:24:24	v9fk	!emacs
2023-08-28 20:24:25	phrik	A great operating system lacking only a decent text editor
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2023-08-28 20:27:38	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-08-28 20:27:38	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1389 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1389 normals)
2023-08-28 20:27:38	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-08-28 20:31:14	bswartz	Vim!
2023-08-28 20:31:25	v9fk	!vim
2023-08-28 20:31:25	phrik	You can't stop here, this is vim country!
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2023-08-28 20:32:17	banta	that fellers using micro, gedem boys
2023-08-28 20:32:23	bswartz	ed, man! !man ed
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2023-08-28 20:33:14	susi	Soni: did it 'fix' it?
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2023-08-28 20:33:25	Soni	not really
2023-08-28 20:33:32	teraflops	phrik: ed3
2023-08-28 20:33:32	phrik	ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!
2023-08-28 20:33:36	Soni	well it's no longer getting stuck at least
2023-08-28 20:34:01	Soni	but now we get this error [alsa @ 0x55585a25bf40] cannot set sample format 0x10000 2 (Invalid argument) dsnoop: Input/output error
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2023-08-28 20:35:40	susi	if there's #alsa or something, I'd ask in there
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2023-08-28 20:41:16	Soni	nvm it gets stuck again
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2023-08-28 21:30:45	lucenera	no
2023-08-28 21:31:56	susi	never used plymouth, but that'd be the first thing I'd try
2023-08-28 21:32:14	SysGhost	check that your new mkinit image lands on your intended boot drive/place where it's supposed to be. (Forgot to mount /boot or ESP? )
2023-08-28 21:33:42	lucenera	susi tried now and when I start plymouth --show-splash restarts gdm.
2023-08-28 21:37:21	susi	you followed the instructions? ctrl-alt-f6, elevate to root, plymouthd && plymouth --show-splash ?
2023-08-28 21:37:45	Soni	is audio input just broken on this system?
2023-08-28 21:40:46	deffn	Anyone around? I'm having some issue trying to install plex media server
2023-08-28 21:41:15	susi	deffn: ok, nice to know
2023-08-28 21:41:30	deffn	on aarch64 pi
2023-08-28 21:42:11	deffn	susi: care to help? 
2023-08-28 21:42:23	susi	aarch64 isn't supported here
2023-08-28 21:43:07	deffn	is there a channel it is?
2023-08-28 21:43:11	susi	!alarm
2023-08-28 21:43:11	phrik	If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
2023-08-28 21:43:26	deffn	perfect thank you 
2023-08-28 22:14:12	lucenera	Very simple, I had not read the first part of the guide: add splash to kernel parameters.
2023-08-28 22:34:07	bswartz	Anyone know how to make spell checking work in (xfce) mousepad?
2023-08-28 23:02:50	Elodin	do any of you guys have problems with pipewire/wireplumb getting high cpu usage right after a suspend? causing the need for a service restart?
2023-08-29 00:23:42	ElGatoPanzon	Who's idea was it to make yay error out when using pacman-like commands (-s) when it's worked with them for a very long time?
2023-08-29 00:28:05	mefistofeles	ElGatoPanzon: I guess it comes from yay developers. Might want to raise that issue with them, because that is not an official arch package
2023-08-29 00:28:25	ElGatoPanzon	mefistofeles: Indeed, well they did this around a year ago for some reason
2023-08-29 00:28:27	mingdao	yay -s, --stats
2023-08-29 00:40:12	mefistofeles	ElGatoPanzon: what does pacman -s does?
2023-08-29 00:40:26	mefistofeles	s/s does/s do
2023-08-29 00:41:42	mefistofeles	❯ pacman -s
2023-08-29 00:41:42	mefistofeles	error: invalid option '-s'
2023-08-29 00:42:06	mefistofeles	yay adds that for stats, which is... weird, but I don't think it breaks compatibility with pacman
2023-08-29 00:43:40	ElGatoPanzon	mefistofeles: In the past yay -s was for search, so I always did "yay -s pkgname" and it searches, I pick out, it installs. The weird change they did since maybe a year ago, if you run the same thing it still searches for the package but after you pick it errors out
2023-08-29 00:43:57	mefistofeles	ElGatoPanzon: well, -Ss is for search, as with pacman
2023-08-29 00:44:02	ElGatoPanzon	With "error installing repo packages"
2023-08-29 00:44:39	mefistofeles	hmm ok
2023-08-29 00:44:49	mefistofeles	yeah, I guess something to raise with yay people
2023-08-29 00:45:22	ElGatoPanzon	Now I have to do "yay pkgname" which searches, allows me to pick, then install. Personally hate it. I may raise it up
2023-08-29 00:45:59	ElGatoPanzon	But it occurs to me anyway that -s alone isn't pacman-like either
2023-08-29 01:03:01	qwer	Hi, I have an AMD iGPU connect to a monitor via DisplayPort and an AMD dGPU connected to the same monitor via HDMI. Wireless doesn't work until the HDMI cable unplugged, which restore wireless connectivity and speed instantly. Also GNOME is really buggy in different ways each launch. Why is this?
2023-08-29 01:04:11	qwer	Wireless from Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX200.
2023-08-29 01:11:45	bswartz	Do you have antennas connected to the wifi?
2023-08-29 01:11:55	qwer	Yes
2023-08-29 01:13:11	qwer	It works perfectly with the dGPU conected to a monitor via DisplayPort. But, now I am connecting the iGPU and dGPU to the same monitor in preperation for VFIO
2023-08-29 01:13:35	qwer	preparation* for VFIO and have encountered the avoid bug(s).
2023-08-29 01:14:00	qwer	above* bug(s).
2023-08-29 01:14:18	bswartz	It could be a hardware issue
2023-08-29 01:14:40	bswartz	Unless you can see specific errors in the logs when you make that change
2023-08-29 01:14:59	qwer	Yeah, I see a long error from kernel/iwlwifi.
2023-08-29 01:15:22	qwer	I don't know which part I should web search, how to interpret it.
2023-08-29 01:16:03	qwer	iwlwifi 0000:08:00.0: Queue 5 is stuck 0 7, iwlwifi 0000:08:00.0: Queue 4 is stuck 0 4, iwlwifi 0000:08:00.0: Microcode SW error detected. Restarting 0x0.
2023-08-29 01:16:09	qwer	That's that start of it.
2023-08-29 01:16:29	bswartz	You have all the appropriate firmware packages?
2023-08-29 01:16:42	qwer	I have linux-firmware, nothing else.
2023-08-29 01:16:44	bswartz	Not all the wifi firmware comes in the default pacakge
2023-08-29 01:16:57	bswartz	Check that that specific card is finding its firmware
2023-08-29 01:17:03	bswartz	In the dmesg log
2023-08-29 01:17:23	qwer	Oh, I assumed I had everything, since it worked perfect before moving the DisplayPort cable and connecting the HDMI cable.
2023-08-29 01:17:31	qwer	Okay, let me check.
2023-08-29 01:17:59	mefistofeles	qwer: what controller are you using for the wifi?
2023-08-29 01:18:26	qwer	The wifi card is Intel AX200.
2023-08-29 01:18:38	qwer	Intel® Wi-Fi 6 AX200
2023-08-29 01:18:45	mefistofeles	qwer: yes so, what controller are you using for the wifi?
2023-08-29 01:18:54	qwer	I don't know what that is.
2023-08-29 01:19:18	qwer	NetworkManager?
2023-08-29 01:20:09	qwer	What command can I run to check?
2023-08-29 01:20:26	mefistofeles	qwer: you can check with lspci -k
2023-08-29 01:20:37	mefistofeles	I guess it should be iwlwifi
2023-08-29 01:22:16	qwer	Network controller: Intel Corporation Wi-Fi 6 AX200 (rev 1a)
2023-08-29 01:22:16	qwer	        Subsystem: Intel Corporation Wi-Fi 6 AX200
2023-08-29 01:22:17	qwer	        Kernel driver in use: iwlwifi
2023-08-29 01:22:17	qwer	        Kernel modules: iwlwifi
2023-08-29 01:26:08	mefistofeles	qwer: did you try with other DE/WM? I guess gnome forces to use wayland, maybe try something that uses xorg? Just to discard things
2023-08-29 01:27:37	qwer	https://pastebin.com/raw/bfaujfk3
2023-08-29 01:27:38	EMIYA_	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/H9Fe.txt
2023-08-29 01:28:55	qwer	mefistofeles: No, I haven't. I will try that, thanks.
2023-08-29 01:29:53	mefistofeles	qwer: also,have you installed intel-ucode?
2023-08-29 01:30:05	qwer	I have an AMD CPU.
2023-08-29 01:30:15	mefistofeles	oh hmm
2023-08-29 01:30:53	mefistofeles	yeah, I don't know how that works, I guess you have amd-ucode installed then?
2023-08-29 01:31:16	qwer	No, I didn't think that was relevant to wifi.
2023-08-29 01:31:28	mefistofeles	qwer: yeah, I don't know how that works
2023-08-29 01:44:24	vee	you might watch udevadm monitor and ensure, especially for the VFIO that somehow it did not encapsulate the wifi in the scope
2023-08-29 01:45:44	qwer	vee: okay, thanks
2023-08-29 01:45:59	qwer	Have to go, thanks for the all the suggestions.
2023-08-29 01:57:09	varjack	i could use some help debugging my grub boot. i'm running linux hardened and an encrypted boot scheme. I can decrypt the volume and get to grub, but when grub goes to boot vmlinuz (or rather, when it boots initrd) it says "you need to load the kernel first" 
2023-08-29 01:57:56	varjack	if i muck up the kernel image line in the editor, it fails sooner saying it can't find the file specified, which makes me think it is finding the kernel file correctly. 
2023-08-29 01:58:18	varjack	I also copied everything to the unencrypted EFI partition and it booted no problem, making me think the kernel image is also OK
2023-08-29 01:58:44	varjack	so why is it failing like this? i'm at a loss
2023-08-29 02:00:17	varjack	after changing nothing, the error is now "failed to install protocols"
2023-08-29 02:08:59	varjack	ah, seems to be a secure boot issue. my old signing script may have failed. i should be able to figure it out from here
2023-08-29 05:36:52	wallabra	what is a good way to install sleek fonts to use in gimp and libreoffice?  using the search functionality in pacman or paru is a bit messy
2023-08-29 06:01:37	Commander_Keen	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nerd-fonts-git
2023-08-29 06:01:40	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - nerd-fonts-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-08-29 07:13:17	yitz	I'm very confused. If I put an entry, $name in /etc/hosts then run `host $name`, is it supposed to find the host in the file and show me the configured IP? Because it's telling me that $name wasn't found.
2023-08-29 07:14:02	yitz	Unrelated, on a different Arch host, my /etc/resolv.conf doesn't have any nameservers after a reboot, even though my router published two nameservers in the DHCP config. Any clue why that might be?
2023-08-29 07:15:35	bookworm	what actually manages your network stack?
2023-08-29 07:16:30	BrainDamage	yitz: getent hosts $name, host apparently comes from bind package so it likely has its own mechanism to resolve hostnames
2023-08-29 07:16:33	bookworm	/etc/resolv.conf doesn't do anything on its own if you get a dhcp response, you need to have something that changes it
2023-08-29 07:16:59	bookworm	systemd-networkd, nm-manager things like that
2023-08-29 07:17:20	bookworm	network manager*
2023-08-29 07:17:23	yitz	I think I have netctl on the first host (no `host` working), systemd-networkd on the latter (no /etc/resolv.conf)
2023-08-29 07:17:53	bookworm	then read up on the various modes you can symlink that to systemd-resolved
2023-08-29 07:18:06	bookworm	(on the latter)
2023-08-29 07:18:33	BrainDamage	networkmanager doesn't perform dns resolution, it'll use something else under the hood
2023-08-29 07:18:36	yitz	Ack. I thought `host` used ... some libc or system call and that all the name resolutions went through the same calls
2023-08-29 07:18:45	bookworm	as for the former, did you configure your name resolution correctly?
2023-08-29 07:18:57	bookworm	nsswitch.conf or what was it?
2023-08-29 07:19:15	yitz	bookworm: resolvectl and gethost host both resolve it. `host` doesn't. I don't think I ever touches nsswitch
2023-08-29 07:19:40	bookworm	I never use that command, I have dig ;)
2023-08-29 07:19:45	yitz	nsswitch.conf ==> hosts ==>  hosts: mymachines resolve [!UNAVAIL=return] files myhostname dns
2023-08-29 07:20:17	bookworm	so you never check your hosts file then
2023-08-29 07:20:24	yitz	I guess I should just stop using `hosts` everywhere and anywhere and expecting it to always be the best :D 
2023-08-29 07:20:25	bookworm	unless resolved isn't running 
2023-08-29 07:21:39	yitz	Do I need to put "files" prior to "[!UNAVAIL=return]" to have it read the hosts file?
2023-08-29 07:22:23	bookworm	not sure if resolved reads the hosts file by default on its own
2023-08-29 07:22:47	bookworm	I don't use it other than for setting my own hostname to localhost
2023-08-29 07:22:51	yitz	The man page says "files" in the "hosts" line means /etc/hosts
2023-08-29 07:23:16	BrainDamage	resolved reads the hosts file, but it won't read nsswitch
2023-08-29 07:23:24	BrainDamage	nssswitch is a glibc only thing, that resolved ignores
2023-08-29 07:23:24	yitz	o.o   oh
2023-08-29 07:23:46	BrainDamage	resolved has its own conf file
2023-08-29 07:24:03	yitz	Eh. I think my host resolution is working ... so long as I don't use the `host` command. That's good enough for me. At least for tonight. Tomorrow I can uninstall hosts and alias it to `resolvectl` or `dig` :D 
2023-08-29 07:24:20	yitz	Of course it does... I should add my hosts to resolved's conf 
2023-08-29 07:24:49	BrainDamage	resolved inserts itself as a proxy resolver through /etc/resolv.conf
2023-08-29 07:25:36	BrainDamage	which has a warning on top to not edit resolv.conf
2023-08-29 07:25:59	BrainDamage	you're surely hitting every ... wrong way to do this
2023-08-29 07:26:03	yitz	Oooh. That's interesting and clever.
2023-08-29 07:26:22	yitz	And, yeah, my network config is likely fubar'ed...
2023-08-29 07:26:35	BrainDamage	/etc/hosts is fine if you're using resolved, it should work out of the box
2023-08-29 07:26:49	yitz	I configured networking with netctl like 6 years ago. I don't know if resolved was in common use back then.
2023-08-29 07:26:56	BrainDamage	if it's not, check resolved.conf
2023-08-29 07:27:15	BrainDamage	netctl is an ancient deprecated project
2023-08-29 07:27:25	yitz	man systemd-resolved suggests it should read /etc/hosts for A/AAAA lookups unless explicitly disabled
2023-08-29 07:27:54	yitz	Yeah. I set up networking a long time ago and haven't touched it since (on the first host). The second host was a much more recent setup so it uses systemd-networkd
2023-08-29 07:28:34	yitz	It would be good for me to rip out netctl and move everything over ... but mucking with the network on a headless box is a pain sometimes :s I'll add it to the to-do-maybe list 
2023-08-29 07:31:29	notAfed	hello
2023-08-29 07:31:34	notAfed	i use arch btw
2023-08-29 07:32:21	thurstylark	ya, that's kinda what happens here... :P
2023-08-29 07:32:33	notAfed	lol
2023-08-29 09:50:54	zipper	How do I get gpg agent to cache my key between reboots? It seemed to do this on gnome but I can't replicate that behaviour in sway https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GnuPG#gpg-agent
2023-08-29 09:50:55	phrik	Title: GnuPG - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-29 09:55:20	BrainDamage	gnome uses its own agent, gpg agent won't cache your key between reboots
2023-08-29 09:58:27	BrainDamage	gnome's agent will also re-encrypt your private key with its own key, and gome's agent key is unlocked with your login pw
2023-08-29 09:58:46	BrainDamage	gpg agent does none of that and leaves the key encryted on disk with your pw
2023-08-29 09:58:58	BrainDamage	with the key's pw*
2023-08-29 10:16:08	hao	took me a whole day to debug the problem of my wifi. turns out the internal driver `rtw8821cu` is NOT the right one for my rtl8821cu wifi card. I think wiki should not lead users to think that rtl8821cu is properly supported. (although originally I didn't do additional thing to get wifi going, but somehow it broke today. what's supposed to break will break)
2023-08-29 10:20:11	astralc	I guess it is the right one... but lot of new rtw88* are still new and not that stable
2023-08-29 10:55:35	hao	on the fresh install of archlinux, I only have wayland and hyprland installed for GUI. I don't intend to install a full DE, but the things is, different apps's windows looks very differently, and that's too ugly. So my question is, what affects app's appearance and feels? GTK vs QT? or other things
2023-08-29 10:56:41	hao	what should I install/tweak to make them like a theme? (I'm new to ricing, still don't know what's the bare essential to rice a desktop)
2023-08-29 10:57:17	astralc	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Uniform_look_for_Qt_and_GTK_applications
2023-08-29 10:57:19	phrik	Title: Uniform look for Qt and GTK applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-29 11:00:37	hao	phrik: thanks for the link
2023-08-29 11:00:37	phrik	You're welcome, hao.
2023-08-29 11:28:34	mpan	hao: note that for reasons still unknown, adwaita-qt packages are missing. It has been discovered yesterday.
2023-08-29 11:30:52	rever_4192	Hi
2023-08-29 11:31:01	rever_4192	I'm trying to use neomutt with gmail
2023-08-29 11:31:08	rever_4192	I have it set up with oauth
2023-08-29 11:31:16	rever_4192	It logins with oauth just fine
2023-08-29 11:31:28	rever_4192	But first, it tries to authenticate with plain, which obviously fails because gmail doesn't allow "less secure" clients, such as neomutt
2023-08-29 11:31:34	rever_4192	Is there any way I can stop neomutt from trying to login using "plain" and directly use the oauthbearer authenticator?
2023-08-29 11:31:54	rever_4192	my muttrc: https://pastebinp.com/AXnvjy01NeqYNkX07wKkg#jwUseO32i0hD3gxbhrAH35EWjE0MSbCWLChv7yUioyA=
2023-08-29 11:31:55	phrik	Title: Pastebin Proxy (at pastebinp.com)
2023-08-29 11:32:06	rever_4192	!paste
2023-08-29 11:32:06	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-08-29 11:32:56	rever_4192	Sorry about pastebin
2023-08-29 11:33:04	rever_4192	Here's paste.rs: https://paste.rs/hL87T.txt
2023-08-29 11:33:05	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-08-29 11:36:15	vee	man pages have order args for smtp, imap, ect; maybe include all?
2023-08-29 11:39:33	rever_4192	it turned out to be the ordering of the settings. I moved the authenticator settings to the top and now it's working
2023-08-29 12:26:36	Ennea	alucryd isn't in here, right? he's the maintainer of retroarch/the libretro packages, and i've got questions concerning libretro-pcsx2. which appears to be non-function/unusable
2023-08-29 12:26:56	Ennea	but it seems like libretro's fork of pcsx2 isn't particularly finished, and far from being up to date with pcsx2 anyway...
2023-08-29 12:36:46	BrainDamage	check if upstream built pcsx2 core works I guess
2023-08-29 12:37:23	BrainDamage	as in, it's an arch problem if the problems are consequences of the packaging, if it's upstream code issues, you should report the bugs to them
2023-08-29 12:41:29	hao	 /clear
2023-08-29 12:41:37	hao	oh.... sorry
2023-08-29 13:11:52	roxlu	Hi, when adding a new printer with Cups, what is the "Make" option: https://imgur.com/a/A5mV4qO ?
2023-08-29 13:11:53	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2023-08-29 13:12:54	roxlu	Ah it's the "Brand"
2023-08-29 13:14:54	sharafat	hello there!
2023-08-29 13:16:25	sharafat	In arch news
2023-08-29 13:16:25	sharafat	>  the pacman pacnew /etc/pacman.conf.pacnew"
2023-08-29 13:16:26	sharafat	case
2023-08-29 13:16:26	sharafat	Is this mandatory
2023-08-29 13:16:55	jelle	sharafat: what is your question?
2023-08-29 13:17:30	sharafat	jelle https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/
2023-08-29 13:17:30	sharafat	about this one. Do I need to do anything like manually editing any config?
2023-08-29 13:17:31	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Git migration completed (at archlinux.org)
2023-08-29 13:17:36	jelle	!pacnew
2023-08-29 13:17:37	phrik	Take care of your .pacnew and .pacsave files! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Pacnew_and_Pacsave
2023-08-29 13:17:44	jelle	^ should be all the info you need :)
2023-08-29 13:18:08	sharafat	okay thanks! didn't notice there was a page in wiki
2023-08-29 13:20:27	astralc	> Update your system and merge the pacman pacnew /etc/pacman.conf.pacnew file.
2023-08-29 13:21:35	astralc	merge usually mean you check the final result is sane
2023-08-29 13:21:39	sharafat	okay got it! updated! astralc
2023-08-29 13:21:45	sharafat	thanks
2023-08-29 13:40:19	bf_	what is your favorite way to semver git projects?
2023-08-29 13:42:44	bf_	There's so many options, I'm a bit lost: semver/semtag/gitversion/git flow/semantic-release
2023-08-29 13:43:55	bf_	arch has this special: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VCS_package_guidelines#The_pkgver()_function
2023-08-29 13:43:56	phrik	Title: VCS package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-29 13:48:40	astralc	it is not semver
2023-08-29 13:55:02	teJECSke	trying to build in clean chroot with extra-testing helper script, but the source git repo didn't get updated, is this expected behavior?
2023-08-29 13:55:36	saro	Hello, there is something driving me crazy... can anybody running on kernel 6.4 try `docker run -it debian:8` and then a `apt-get update` ?
2023-08-29 13:55:52	saro	it seems like the apt gets stuck in an infinite loop
2023-08-29 13:56:11	saro	I have an older (arch) host machine on kernel 6.1 and it still works
2023-08-29 13:56:11	teJECSke	why 8 ?
2023-08-29 13:56:17	saro	because I need to use that 
2023-08-29 13:56:24	saro	debian:9 works
2023-08-29 13:56:40	teJECSke	are you working in a museum? :)
2023-08-29 13:56:45	saro	yes :)
2023-08-29 13:57:15	teJECSke	can ry on this: Linux archpower 6.4.12-arch1-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu, 24 Aug 2023 00:38:14 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2023-08-29 13:57:27	teJECSke	try
2023-08-29 13:57:32	teJECSke	if that helps
2023-08-29 13:57:37	saro	teJECSke if you don't mind to invest 4 minutes to help a stranger it would be nice
2023-08-29 13:57:46	teJECSke	or u need to test it on 6.4.0?
2023-08-29 13:57:57	saro	6.4.12 would be good thanks
2023-08-29 13:58:22	Ennea	BrainDamage, from what i can tell, reporting it upstream would be useless anyway. it doesn't seem like anybody has any intention of maintaining or even _finishing_ the pcsx2 core of libretro
2023-08-29 13:58:24	saro	I have tested on 6.4.4 and 6.4.10
2023-08-29 13:58:50	Ennea	and i have not been able to find out where the problem even lies. but it's not that big of an issue, i'll just be using pcsx2 directly
2023-08-29 13:59:28	teJECSke	E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
2023-08-29 13:59:29	teJECSke	root@825b95b1aeb6:/#
2023-08-29 13:59:36	teJECSke	seems i don't have network
2023-08-29 13:59:53	teJECSke	but no inf.loop
2023-08-29 13:59:55	saro	ok
2023-08-29 13:59:59	saro	let me update and see
2023-08-29 14:00:06	saro	thanks teJECSke 
2023-08-29 14:00:20	teJECSke	np
2023-08-29 14:01:52	teJECSke	well, ping 8.8.8.8 works
2023-08-29 14:02:14	teJECSke	W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/jessie/updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: 151.101.194.132 80]
2023-08-29 14:02:26	jelle	just update your mirrorlist
2023-08-29 14:02:32	jelle	teJECSke: it's jessie :P
2023-08-29 14:03:06	saro	jelle teJECSke was just helping me I guess he doesn't work in a museum :)
2023-08-29 14:03:42	saro	but yes, you need to use the archive repos now
2023-08-29 14:04:05	teJECSke	something, cos no jessie on http://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/
2023-08-29 14:04:06	phrik	Title: Index of /debian-security/dists (at security.debian.org)
2023-08-29 14:04:18	jelle	yup
2023-08-29 14:04:23	saro	kernel updated but still handing on `apt-get update`
2023-08-29 14:04:39	v9fk	teJECSke: hostname looks cool
2023-08-29 14:05:35	saro	(missing pacman...)
2023-08-29 14:12:18	saro	interesting enough any apt/apt-get action is not working
2023-08-29 14:44:28	mingdao	31
2023-08-29 14:50:56	rcf	32
2023-08-29 15:23:18	arseru	Okay so somehow (I think) the last tlp/tlp-rdw updates (2023-08-25) have messed up my network device automatic enabling/disabling when I plug/unplug the ethernet cord. This is `tlp-stat` when eth is plugged http://ix.io/4EPs and this when eth is unplugged http://ix.io/4EPr. The problem I specifically have is when unplugging, the wifi connection is
2023-08-29 15:23:18	arseru	not automatically enabled anymore (and I actually don't know how to force-start it). Any tips? :D
2023-08-29 15:24:19	jelle	stop using TLP :)
2023-08-29 15:44:23	arseru	jelle: what should I use as an alternative?
2023-08-29 15:45:11	polarian	Is there a way to disable the arch package caching 
2023-08-29 15:45:25	polarian	I have a bunch of containers and they pull from the host, they DO NOT need to cache 
2023-08-29 15:46:16	Namarrgon	of the host's cache already has everything in it then what gets written to the guest's cache?
2023-08-29 15:46:19	Namarrgon	*if the
2023-08-29 15:54:34	gromit	polarian: what type of container is this? You could just mount the host cache inside of the container
2023-08-29 15:55:50	polarian	gromit: rather not for complete isolation, but its LXC 
2023-08-29 15:55:52	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-08-29 15:56:02	polarian	I just don't want caching, but I assume from your response you can't disable the caching 
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2023-08-29 15:57:02	krumelmonster	libvirt drives me crazy by binding dnsmasq to *all* interfaces through its "default" network interface
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2023-08-29 15:59:55	Namarrgon	then what did you mean by "pull from the host"?
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2023-08-29 16:09:07	ℹ 	wpp_ es conocido ahora como wpp
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2023-08-29 16:14:01	polarian	Namarrgon: my unofficial repository is hosted on the local network, I do not need it to cache
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2023-08-29 16:14:32	Namarrgon	that's not a cache, that's a repository
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2023-08-29 16:15:13	Namarrgon	where do you think the packages downloaded from the repos should remain while pacman downloads the rest?
2023-08-29 16:15:18	Namarrgon	in ram?
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2023-08-29 16:21:52	gromit	polarian: you can just clean the cache again with a pacman hook or cronjob
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2023-08-29 16:23:00	jelle	arseru: what do you use TLP for
2023-08-29 16:23:06	jelle	paccache.timer exists :)
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2023-08-29 16:23:13	polarian	xD
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2023-08-29 16:23:30	polarian	I really would have thought caching would be a togglable feature
2023-08-29 16:23:33	polarian	damn
2023-08-29 16:23:35	arseru	jelle: switching automatically between ethernet/wifi when I plug/unplug the ethernet cable
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2023-08-29 16:24:23	polarian	arseru: ah this is a pain in the ass to setup, network manager does it quite well iirc
2023-08-29 16:24:40	jelle	arseru: o.O
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2023-08-29 16:24:53	polarian	well for most arch linux users their networking capabilities is "let network manager deal with it"
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2023-08-29 16:46:08	arseru	jelle: ah really? I'll check then, thanks!
2023-08-29 16:46:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-08-29 17:02:32	snarpix	Anyone knows when boost package will be updated? I found a nasty bug in boost asio, and I have to use boost 1.82+, that contains fix.
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2023-08-29 17:03:26	brjl	snarpix: I don't know when it'll be updated. But in the meanwhile can't you build it from source?
2023-08-29 17:03:29	NetSysFire	!outdated
2023-08-29 17:03:29	Scimmia	boost is such a PITA to update
2023-08-29 17:03:29	phrik	Outdated package? (1) Flag it as out of date and be patient. (2) If you can't wait, build it yourself. (3) If more than three weeks have passed and you want to help updating it, tell the maintainer if the new version works or not. Do not forget to be kind or your mail shall be cast into oblivion
2023-08-29 17:04:08	ℹ 	naortega es conocido ahora como nortega
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2023-08-29 17:09:13	snarpix	Yes, I am currently building it from source. But it requires me to rebuild the dependents(including libreoffice) every time. I thought it was temporary solution, but it 4 months now, so solution is becoming permanent=) I have written an email to maintainer and proposed my help with update, but recieved no responce=(
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2023-08-29 17:10:36	snarpix	Other question is there a script that given local copy of whole arch repo determine which packages depend on boost and rebuild them? This way I can at least make it centralized...
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2023-08-29 17:12:24	Scimmia	there's a script to find them all, rebuilds are not automated. And since boost changes the API with each release, things often need patched
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2023-08-29 17:14:47	snarpix	Where I can find this script? AFAIK checkrebuild only checks installed packages, and I need to operate on repo
2023-08-29 17:15:57	Scimmia	it's been a long time, I don't remember. Probably in the devtools package?
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2023-08-29 17:27:28	gromit	snarpix, Scimmia: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:How_to_be_a_packager#Run_sogrep_on_identified_soname_change
2023-08-29 17:27:29	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:How to be a packager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-08-29 17:34:02	BrainDamage	iirc there's find-libprovides and find-libdeps, but I don't remember if there's a tool to tie them together
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2023-08-29 17:57:32	teJECSke	when to expect linux-6.5 ?
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2023-08-29 18:00:17	teraflops	phrik: when?
2023-08-29 18:00:18	phrik	When it's ready. ™
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2023-08-29 18:05:12	copygirl	I figured I'm gonna ask here since there's a lot of smart people here that might throw me some ideas: I'm messing around with my Steam Deck, and my current goal is to try to build and install some packages from the AUR (specifically, obs-studio-tytan652).
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2023-08-29 18:06:15	copygirl	So I'm not sure entirely about the mechanics behind how Steam Deck's packages are outdated, but they are. And some guides recommend not to run `pacman -Syu`, only `-Su`, if necessary.
2023-08-29 18:06:54	copygirl	The other thing is, to reduce the install image size, they get rid of some files from packages such as headers and man pages from what I've seen.
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2023-08-29 18:07:29	copygirl	Now this is obviously problematic if I actually want to build anything, tons of missing headers.
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2023-08-29 18:08:04	copygirl	At first I went through and re-installed all of the packages I could find whenever a header was found to be missing on build. Eventually I gave up.
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2023-08-29 18:08:43	Scimmia	You'll have to talk to SteamOS support people. We aren't experts on that
2023-08-29 18:09:09	copygirl	So I was thinking: What if I simply re-install all of the installed packages - or even better, any package that has files missing (to reduce the amount of stuff I need to download? though not a huge issue).
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2023-08-29 18:09:58	teraflops	install steamos in a virtual machine and build the stuff there
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2023-08-29 18:10:51	copygirl	No I get that, this isn't a SteamOS support channel. I was just wondering if anyone here thought if that was a reasonable idea.
2023-08-29 18:11:07	Scimmia	!give copygirl notarch
2023-08-29 18:11:08	phrik	copygirl: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
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2023-08-29 18:11:24	copygirl	I'm worrying that Valve didn't just remove files but also modified them such that they differ from the package's contents.
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2023-08-29 18:12:48	copygirl	Yeah you're right. Apologies.
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2023-08-29 18:13:45	BrainDamage	you might have more luck in -offtopic
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2023-08-29 18:15:55	copygirl	I wanted to run my idea by some people I know to be smart. Not entirely sure where the nerdy SteamOS users are hiding. Typical mainstream resources I've found so far scare me when it comes to inaccuracies (Reddit, Steam forums).
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2023-08-29 18:16:37	betabube	i've got my nvidia gpu working!
2023-08-29 18:16:51	betabube	didn't know it is that easy, just set nomodeset
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2023-08-29 18:17:04	betabube	don't know why the wiki doesn't say anywhere that all that dkms/kms/early kms isn't worth it
2023-08-29 18:17:30	another|	copygirl: always remember: those are the people providing training data for chatgpt
2023-08-29 18:18:00	copygirl	another|: Don't make me shiver so early in the evening.
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2023-08-29 18:23:17	dD__	Hi, my arch Linux laptop    has become slow to the extreme, it is unusable. It's a powerful laptop, I have nothing open and I can't even type on it. Htop reports ram at 1Gb/32 used,  out of the 16 CPU cores the max is 10%, sometimes it'll go back to normal but it's been a couple of hours where it's just not working at all. What could the problem be? I'm running awesomewm, and to type something
2023-08-29 18:23:17	dD__	in the command line is practically 
2023-08-29 18:23:17	dD__	impossible .
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2023-08-29 18:25:31	teraflops	did you check temperatures?
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2023-08-29 18:29:21	espresso	dD__: I think awesomewm (like others) involves shaders that can potentially crank GPU usage..
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2023-08-29 18:35:20	espresso	dD__: Perhaps check if problem exists in console (virtual or pure)?  wiki.archlinux.org also tries to document issues with particular models
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2023-08-29 19:04:52	dviola	espresso: maybe they hit this issue: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/awesome#Memory_leaks ?
2023-08-29 19:04:54	phrik	Title: awesome - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-08-29 19:10:26	espresso	dD__: Hm, I suspect memory leaks should more often result in kernel panics or similar? As for GPU issues, I guess I would try disabling the particular compositor; in the case of awesomewm, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Picom ?
2023-08-29 19:10:27	phrik	Title: picom - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-08-29 19:11:13	Commander_Keen	copygirl - idk if this helps, but this is a project trying to create a distro-agnostic version of the AUR (it is still in beta and I haven't messed with it too much, but it might be worth looking at): https://gitea.elara.ws/Elara6331/lure
2023-08-29 19:11:20	phrik	Title: Elara6331/lure - lure - Gitea: Git with a cup of tea (at gitea.elara.ws)
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2023-08-29 19:12:19	Commander_Keen	is phrik just a bot that repeats the title of links?
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2023-08-29 19:12:42	Commander_Keen	WHOIS phrik
2023-08-29 19:13:07	ekpyrotika	P sure phrik expands links so you know what you're clicking on for privacy and security reasons.
2023-08-29 19:13:58	Commander_Keen	cool - yesterday I thought phrik was just a cool guy who just happened to answer a question with a very similar answer to mine seconds after me 
2023-08-29 19:14:31	Commander_Keen	I thought (wow -great minds think alike)....phrik passed the Turing Test yesterday :)
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2023-08-29 19:15:10	BrainDamage	!turing-test-passed
2023-08-29 19:15:10	⚡ 	phrik got one step closer to world domination
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2023-08-29 19:15:49	Commander_Keen	HAHAHA! love it
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2023-08-29 19:16:50	espresso	performs many functions. :) "What are you?" <phrik> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt0iUOX-8AY
2023-08-29 19:16:51	phrik	Title: Accepted movie clip - What are you - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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2023-08-29 19:17:46	Commander_Keen	very cool - I haven't delved too deep into the world of IRC bots but they seem both fun & very useful
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2023-08-29 19:21:53	agowa	Do we have a better way to report a critical security flaw than to open a public issue in the issue tracker?
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2023-08-29 19:22:42	mefistofeles	agowa: that would be the best way, I'd say
2023-08-29 19:22:58	agowa	mefistofeles: Even if it is exploitable right now?
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2023-08-29 19:23:32	Commander_Keen	you could open the issue without providing a POC and then wait to provide the POC til you are in contact with the devs who can actually fix it?
2023-08-29 19:23:46	gromit	agowa: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Security_Team#Information_sharing_and_investigation_phase
2023-08-29 19:23:47	phrik	Title: Arch Security Team - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-29 19:24:50	agowa	that doesn't work, as the issue is "not just code" and it would be trivial for anyone that sees it to replicate and do MITM...
2023-08-29 19:25:10	Commander_Keen	I see - I think gromit has the best answer then - contact the Arch Sec Team
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2023-08-29 19:25:44	Commander_Keen	I work in security - so I totally understand how tricky responsible disclosure can be - good on you for doing your best to do it right 
2023-08-29 19:26:16	agowa	yes, the approach from gromit sounds better, will do that. Thanks. (Also the wiki page on the bugtracker does say to open the critical flaws publicly, which is probably "not that great" too)
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2023-08-29 19:27:24	gromit	agowa: Maybe just note that not everyone listed on the wiki is actually active
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2023-08-29 19:29:43	agowa	gromit: The page you provided says "security@archlinux.org", so I'll just send a mail to that. That one is still active, right?
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2023-08-29 19:31:09	gromit	agowa: yup, but it also says that you can ping anyone on the team ^^ going with security@ seems good! :) 
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2023-08-29 19:32:31	arseru	jelle & polarian: going back to what we were talking before regarding TLP & automatically switching between ethernet/wifi, should I then just uninstall TLP, only rely on NM and never use any powersaving tools on my laptop?
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2023-08-29 19:34:23	Scimmia	agowa: issues on flyspray can be made private
2023-08-29 19:34:26	polarian	arseru: powertop works well for diagnosing power draw, but it takes a little  bit of skill to figure it out. As for automatic switching, Network Manager is probably easiest it can be done on other network managers but its a pain in the arse 
2023-08-29 19:34:49	polarian	network manager doesnt disconnect from wifi when connected to ethernet though... but ethernet is preferred so the wifi will be unused 
2023-08-29 19:35:12	polarian	but this is just my experience 
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2023-08-29 19:37:05	arseru	if it doesn't disconnect from wifi when it's connected to ethernet, it's not actually automatically switching them, is it?
2023-08-29 19:37:43	Scimmia	if it changes the default route, yes, it's switching
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2023-08-29 19:38:15	Edu4rdSHL	arseru, if the ethernet config does have priority then it does
2023-08-29 19:38:49	arseru	I see, thanks guys
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2023-08-29 19:42:46	arseru	So is there a built-in method in NM to turn off wifi when ethernet is on?
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2023-08-29 19:48:00	Edu4rdSHL	arseru, https://superuser.com/questions/233448/disable-wlan-if-wired-cable-network-is-available
2023-08-29 19:48:01	phrik	Title: linux - Disable WLan if Wired/Cable Network is available - Super User (at superuser.com)
2023-08-29 19:48:08	Edu4rdSHL	Google is your friend :)
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2023-08-29 19:48:27	arseru	Edu4rdSHL: IRC always beats it :) thanks!
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2023-08-29 19:56:00	polarian	Edu4rdSHL: in general you want to search the ArchWiki first 
2023-08-29 19:56:07	polarian	but yes searching google helps 
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2023-08-29 19:57:16	arseru	Oh damn, I didn't see this D: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NetworkManager#Use_dispatcher_to_automatically_toggle_wireless_depending_on_LAN_cable_being_plugged_in
2023-08-29 19:57:17	phrik	Title: NetworkManager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-29 19:58:31	polarian	arseru: dada see, ArchWiki is a Arch Users best friend <3
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2023-08-29 20:02:07	tonitch	is it possible to simulate a number of core with qemu
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2023-08-29 20:02:49	mefistofeles	tonitch: not sure what you mean byu that, but if you are asking about assigning a subset of CPU cores to a qemu vm, yes, that is possible
2023-08-29 20:03:42	dviola	-smp
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2023-08-29 20:04:29	tonitch	that might be that, I saw -smp but I'm not sure if this is waht I want. basicly, I want to simulate more or less what the vps I will rent is and see if it can handle my processes.. so basicly I want to put a limit of 2 cores to my vm
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2023-08-29 20:05:13	dviola	-smp 2 then, you probably want -cpu host as well
2023-08-29 20:05:38	mefistofeles	yeah, I guess it depends if your provider is giving you bare metal CPU or vCPUs
2023-08-29 20:05:41	tonitch	-cpu host would use my host's cpu directly I suppose ? 
2023-08-29 20:05:47	susi	I'm on a 2-core Celeron, can do all kinds of stuff!
2023-08-29 20:05:56	tonitch	it says vcore so I suppose it's vcpus
2023-08-29 20:05:57	mefistofeles	susi: wow, incredible
2023-08-29 20:06:15	tonitch	it's the essential : https://www.ovhcloud.com/fr/vps/compare/
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2023-08-29 20:06:58	tonitch	https://us.ovhcloud.com/vps/compare/ : here for the english version (sorry)
2023-08-29 20:07:20	v9fk	great
2023-08-29 20:07:56	tonitch	oops tho, I thought I was on the #linux chann... I am kinda flooding here I guess
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2023-08-29 20:16:47	dviola	tonitch: -cpu host emulates the host cpu, -smp 2 limits the number of cores to 2
2023-08-29 20:18:31	tonitch	I don't know what is the difference between core and vcore tho (if there is one) 
2023-08-29 20:18:38	tonitch	should I put -cpu host if this is vcore ?
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2023-08-29 20:25:52	gromit	Any idea why updpkgsums / makepkg -g would generate checksums for entries that have 'SKIP' in the checksum array?
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2023-08-29 20:32:39	tonitch	doens't it generate checksum based on sources ?
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2023-08-29 20:34:55	polarian	gromit: wait there is a tool to generate checksums for you?
2023-08-29 20:35:01	polarian	oh fuck this is amazing... I did not know this
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2023-08-29 20:36:06	seventyfour	I'm setting up a new system root fs with pacstrap. I've got some .pkg.tar.xz files locally that I'd like to be installed in the new root. can pacstrap do that for me somehow or is there a better way?
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2023-08-29 20:36:48	tonitch	can't u just use pacstrap -U 
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2023-08-29 20:37:20	tonitch	s/u/you/
2023-08-29 20:37:26	gromit	tonitch: yes, but IMO it shouldnt overwrite the entries which currently have SKIP ... Atleast the higher level updpkgsums 
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2023-08-29 20:37:40	polarian	seventyfour: https://man.archlinux.org/man/pacstrap.8
2023-08-29 20:37:41	phrik	Title: pacstrap(8) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2023-08-29 20:37:47	polarian	for further reading :D
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2023-08-29 20:38:13	seventyfour	I was unsure when I read the man page. Does that -U mean it takes actual package files on the command line or does it somehow just modify the way the install runs (still takes package names on the command line)
2023-08-29 20:38:25	seventyfour	?
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2023-08-29 20:38:27	polarian	gromit: the flutter problems are still pissing me off
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2023-08-29 20:45:26	demonicmaniac1	gromit: updpkgsums is just a shell script leveraging makepkg -g
2023-08-29 20:45:36	demonicmaniac1	you can just read /usr/bin/updpkgsums
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2023-08-29 20:46:47	gromit	demonicmaniac1: yes, I did .. But the behaviour seems wrong/unintuitive ... I raised https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman-contrib/-/issues/119 and will discuss there
2023-08-29 20:46:48	phrik	Title: updpkgsums overwrites checksum entries that are set to SKIP (#119) · Issues · Pacman / Pacman Contrib · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2023-08-29 20:48:20	demonicmaniac1	oh not arguing that
2023-08-29 20:49:44	demonicmaniac1	just quite a bit of complexity would need to be added
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2023-08-29 20:50:29	tonitch	imo it is not that unintuitive, as stated in the man page, it dl every sources, generate the integrity checks then just format it in an array to the stdout. actually I don't know how makepkg -g work internally but I assume it should then parse the checksum of the file. maybe that belong to another option ?
2023-08-29 20:50:36	betabube	help, i don't see umlauts when i connect to my arch machine over ssh :O
2023-08-29 20:50:48	gromit	demonicmaniac1: rewrite the tool in $current_buzzword_lang /s 
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2023-08-29 20:51:53	gromit	tonitch: yes for makepkg -g that is expected imo as the manpage also states that the usecase is mostly to pin initial sources, but for updpkgsums I would expect different behaviour
2023-08-29 20:52:28	tonitch	ho ok, I don't use that ^^ 
2023-08-29 20:52:37	tonitch	then yes maybe it is the case then
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2023-08-29 20:52:42	gromit	betabube: hmmm, did you correctly setup the locales and configuration? 
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2023-08-30 20:52:23	espresso	conr: according to https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB install packages grub and efibootmgr, grub-install <stuff>..
2023-08-30 20:52:24	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-30 20:55:42	susi	conr: you were already told that it's the same process as it was in the first place
2023-08-30 20:55:55	MrElendig	won't do shit if your config is broken though
2023-08-30 20:56:12	susi	their config wasn't broke, just that they last time grub-installed 3 years ago, and now did grub-mkconfig
2023-08-30 20:56:18	susi	this config-incompatibility issue
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2023-08-30 21:07:37	conr	how do i find my efi to mount?
2023-08-30 21:07:44	conr	its not /efi
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2023-08-30 21:08:26	MrElendig	its probably (/mnt)/boot/efi
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2023-08-30 21:10:26	conr	if its not there, can i mount it?
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2023-08-30 21:12:53	espresso	conr: yes, often it is on the boot partition that would be mounted to (/mnt)/boot
2023-08-30 21:14:05	MrElendig	did you mount your root first?
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2023-08-30 21:14:39	conr	MrElendig: yes i'm in it with arch-chroot
2023-08-30 21:15:07	conr	can i just go update the /etc/default/grub file and grub/mkconfig again?
2023-08-30 21:15:28	susi	why would you want to re-mkconfig it?
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2023-08-30 21:15:33	MrElendig	conr: read the fstab then
2023-08-30 21:15:45	conr	because change it back the correct settings
2023-08-30 21:15:59	susi	did you already grub-install ?
2023-08-30 21:16:01	conr	i changed the GRUB_GFXMODE
2023-08-30 21:16:15	susi	what did you put in there?
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2023-08-30 21:16:46	MrElendig	the fstab will probably tell you where you had the esp mounted
2023-08-30 21:16:48	conr	19200x1200-x,auto something like that
2023-08-30 21:17:01	susi	if it has ,auto in the end, it shouldn't matter
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2023-08-30 21:17:30	conr	fstab not found
2023-08-30 21:17:31	susi	conr: did you already grub-install?
2023-08-30 21:17:51	susi	your original issue wasn't about GRUB_GFXMODE, but what was already explained and links given ( https://archlinux.org/news/grub-bootloader-upgrade-and-configuration-incompatibilities/ )
2023-08-30 21:17:53	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Grub bootloader upgrade and configuration incompatibilities (at archlinux.org)
2023-08-30 21:17:58	MrElendig	conr: its a file, not a command
2023-08-30 21:18:13	MrElendig	cat /etc/fstab
2023-08-30 21:18:24	conr	ah its /boot
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2023-08-30 21:20:06	susi	in that case, you tell --efi-directory=/boot to grub-install
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2023-08-30 21:20:57	conr	os-prober command not found
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2023-08-30 21:21:32	susi	you won't need that
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2023-08-30 21:21:58	susi	just forget about it
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2023-08-30 21:23:08	conr	so just this `grub-install --efi-directory=/boot --target=x86_64-efi /dev/nvme0n1`
2023-08-30 21:24:03	MrElendig	drop the last arg
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2023-08-30 21:24:31	MrElendig	or replace with --bootloader-id=notabanana
2023-08-30 21:25:31	susi	but one thing
2023-08-30 21:25:43	susi	are you arch-chrooted into /mnt now?
2023-08-30 21:25:47	conr	install finished. no error reported
2023-08-30 21:25:59	susi	were you in a chroot?
2023-08-30 21:26:03	conr	susi yes
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2023-08-30 21:26:58	susi	then, exit; umount -R /mnt; reboot
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2023-08-30 21:32:13	conr	i'm back baby!
2023-08-30 21:33:13	susi	conr: now, read once more this: https://archlinux.org/news/grub-bootloader-upgrade-and-configuration-incompatibilities/
2023-08-30 21:33:14	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Grub bootloader upgrade and configuration incompatibilities (at archlinux.org)
2023-08-30 21:33:39	susi	because these steps are advised after every time there's an update for grub the package; pacman won't install the bootloader on your disk
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2023-08-30 21:35:27	conr	so run `grub-install ...` literally?
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2023-08-30 21:38:24	susi	no ...
2023-08-30 21:38:30	susi	no...*
2023-08-30 21:38:42	susi	but you can't give a grub-install command line that fits everyone
2023-08-30 21:38:56	susi	dots are meant to be replaced by whatever one's situation warrants
2023-08-30 21:39:02	susi	in your case, what you just did
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2023-08-30 21:43:06	conr	oh done.
2023-08-30 21:43:28	conr	now how do i make my resolution to 1440p in the arch shell?
2023-08-30 21:44:19	conr	pretty sure its 1080x720 and yay prompts get pushed off screen.
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2023-08-30 21:49:28	MrElendig	just start x/wayland
2023-08-30 21:49:35	MrElendig	tty is horrible anyway
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2023-08-30 21:49:42	susi	I have set gfxmode=1920x1080x24 and it works
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2023-08-30 21:50:01	susi	and set GRUB_PAYLOAD_LINUX=keep too
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2023-08-30 21:51:06	susi	by gfxmode I mean GRUB_GFXMODE in your configuration
2023-08-30 21:51:33	conr	like /etc/default/grub?
2023-08-30 21:51:42	susi	yes
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2023-08-30 21:52:21	conr	then `sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg`?
2023-08-30 21:52:22	susi	and add that ",auto" at the end of it
2023-08-30 21:52:35	susi	so that it has a fallback in case your 1440p won't comply
2023-08-30 21:52:40	conr	yup
2023-08-30 21:52:52	susi	yes, these commands won't change on every invocation
2023-08-30 21:52:56	◣	johnny_sitar (~user@78.88.3.103) ha salido (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2023-08-30 21:52:58	susi	it's still just the same way it was the last time
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2023-08-30 21:54:15	conr	didn't do anything. must of used auto.
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2023-08-30 21:55:24	susi	you may need early kms or something
2023-08-30 21:55:32	susi	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Early_KMS_start
2023-08-30 21:55:34	phrik	Title: Kernel mode setting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-30 21:55:45	susi	or actually, nope, nvm that
2023-08-30 21:55:56	susi	dunno why it's not working
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2023-08-30 21:56:42	susi	conr: you sure your GRUB_GFXMODE line ain't commented-out?
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2023-08-30 21:56:48	susi	I have it commented-out, but dunno if it's me or default
2023-08-30 21:57:11	conr	yes, i'm in grub now getting my supported dimensions
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2023-08-30 21:57:45	susi	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB/Tips_and_tricks#Setting_the_framebuffer_resolution
2023-08-30 21:57:46	phrik	Title: GRUB/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-30 21:58:21	susi	there's plenty of information
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2023-08-30 22:03:59	conr	ok susi, i think i was on the wrong track.
2023-08-30 22:04:23	conr	i meant to change the arch cli resolution.
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2023-08-30 22:05:55	conr	not the grub screen. it worked but need the `Arch Linux 6.1.49-1-lts (tty1)`part smaller.
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2023-08-30 22:13:32	Commander_Keen	.Xresources should only need -rw-r--r-- permissions right? 
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2023-08-30 22:15:37	MrElendig	yes
2023-08-30 22:15:53	MrElendig	well, only need the first r
2023-08-30 22:16:30	MrElendig	300 is fine
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2023-08-31 20:07:43	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-08-31 20:07:43	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1402 apodos (0 ops, 0 voces, 1402 normals)
2023-08-31 10:56:14	Rikle_S	mpan: it works, thank you !
2023-08-31 11:08:55	pikrzysztof	hi, I'm trying to get arch on my server but the official iso image does not support serial console install... archwiki[1] says serial console is configured but that's only for syslinux, while the iso boots grub which does not have serial configured. [1]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Working_with_the_serial_console#Installing_Arch_Linux_using_the_serial_console
2023-08-31 11:08:57	phrik	Title: Working with the serial console - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-31 11:09:11	pikrzysztof	can someone help me with getting arch image w/serial?
2023-08-31 11:40:39	susi	pikrzysztof: if you can't get into grub shell by any means, maybe you need to make your own archiso with different settings; https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/html_node/Serial-terminal.html
2023-08-31 11:40:40	phrik	Title: GNU GRUB Manual 2.06: Serial terminal (at www.gnu.org)
2023-08-31 11:41:10	Khorne	Does it even use grub? I thought it's systemd-boot, at least on UEFI systems now
2023-08-31 11:41:26	susi	I think it's GRUB
2023-08-31 11:41:37	Ennea	it was still grub back when i was installing arch, last year in september
2023-08-31 11:41:47	susi	at least @ 2023.02 
2023-08-31 11:42:05	pikrzysztof	it's grub, i checked. but why do we even have both grub & syslinux?
2023-08-31 11:43:27	susi	I'd make my own archiso with different grub.cfg, insmod serial; serial ..; terminal_{in,out}put serial
2023-08-31 11:44:53	pikrzysztof	yeah, probably... thanks for the info. i'll file a bug report.
2023-08-31 12:04:17	CyberShadow	Hi, any ideas why I might have started getting mojibake in rxvt-unicode after updating?
2023-08-31 12:41:05	mingdao	CyberShadow: What is mojibake?
2023-08-31 12:43:33	CyberShadow	If you're asking what the word means, it would be nonsense characters usually resulting from bad encoding. If you're asking me specifically what I'm seeing, it would be accented latin characters instead of line-drawing characters. Anyway, I already figured out a solution - I needed to update and rebuild my rxvt-unicode, as it looks like something in Arch broke my older build in this way.
2023-08-31 12:43:36	mingdao	CyberShadow: Do you have rxvt-unicode 9.31-4?
2023-08-31 12:44:09	CyberShadow	I do now, thanks
2023-08-31 12:44:54	mingdao	CyberShadow: I'm not sure, but this happened to firefox-developer-edition for me.  I don't have urxvt configured to show emojis in chat, so not sure about that.
2023-08-31 12:45:41	CyberShadow	Sorry, I don't know about Firefox. Emojis look OK in my regular Firefox.
2023-08-31 12:45:51	mingdao	Do you also have rxvt-unicode-terminfo 9.31-4 ?
2023-08-31 12:46:40	mingdao	Since the mojibake is the result of text being decoded using an unintended character encoding, would it be reasonable to look at rxvt-unicode-terminfo, or not?
2023-08-31 12:48:17	CyberShadow	Ah, perhaps I had a mismatching rxvt-unicode-terminfo and urxvt binary.
2023-08-31 12:48:26	CyberShadow	That's a good point. Anyway, I already fixed my problem.
2023-08-31 12:48:59	mingdao	CyberShadow: In firefox-developer-edition https://translate.google.com/?hl=en&tab=TT now has what I guess is the same for Chinese characters, like this https://0x0.st/HpmY.png
2023-08-31 12:49:15	mingdao	CyberShadow: So upgrading rxvt-unicode-terminfo fixed the problem?
2023-08-31 12:50:18	mingdao	Do you also use rxvt-unicode-truecolor-wide-glyphs ?
2023-08-31 13:30:22	pulsar12	when creating lvm snapshot of the root fs, the uuid is duplicate. is it guaranteed that normal boot will use the original given that fstab uses UUID?
2023-08-31 15:01:35	Dan39	!paste
2023-08-31 15:01:36	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-08-31 15:01:40	Dan39	!ix
2023-08-31 15:01:41	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2023-08-31 15:04:02	Dan39	!rs
2023-08-31 15:04:03	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2023-08-31 15:57:52	bf_	Why are all my files owned by myusername:users instead of myusername:myusername any more?
2023-08-31 15:58:00	bf_	also some folders are myusername:informant
2023-08-31 16:00:53	bf_	is your group id 1000 also called informant?
2023-08-31 16:01:40	susi	because you got GROUP=users in /etc/default/useradd, and USERGROUPS_ENAB=yes in /etc/login.defs
2023-08-31 16:02:07	susi	actually, nope
2023-08-31 16:02:24	bf_	wtf it's like here: https://www.computerbase.de/forum/threads/archlinux-hauptgruppe-fehlt.2108459/
2023-08-31 16:02:24	phrik	Title: ArchLinux Hauptgruppe fehlt. | ComputerBase Forum (at www.computerbase.de)
2023-08-31 16:02:38	bf_	gid 1000 is informant
2023-08-31 16:02:55	astralc	so... you created it
2023-08-31 16:03:09	astralc	who is in that group?
2023-08-31 16:03:14	bf_	me
2023-08-31 16:03:24	bf_	informant❌1000:beni
2023-08-31 16:03:28	ariadnavigo	0_0
2023-08-31 16:03:34	bf_	uid=1000(beni) gid=984(users) groups=984(users),961(docker),994(input),998(wheel),1000(informant)
2023-08-31 16:03:38	susi	so, are you or are you not an informant?
2023-08-31 16:03:48	bf_	and in my home dir some folders have gid 984 and some have gid 100
2023-08-31 16:03:51	bf_	gid 1000
2023-08-31 16:04:05	astralc	is it shared with other OS?
2023-08-31 16:04:15	astralc	the fs
2023-08-31 16:04:22	bf_	no, only docker
2023-08-31 16:04:33	astralc	it is inside docker?
2023-08-31 16:04:40	bf_	it's root on main system
2023-08-31 16:05:15	astralc	so it is volume mount in docker?
2023-08-31 16:05:38	bf_	no, not at all
2023-08-31 16:06:32	ariadnavigo	if all you want is the 'informant' group to be your 'beni' group, 'groupmod -n0 will change the group's name
2023-08-31 16:06:40	ariadnavigo	'groupmod -n'
2023-08-31 16:07:00	ariadnavigo	then those other files with a different GID... well, that's your choice
2023-08-31 16:07:12	astralc	if you touch same directory on 2 systems (even docker), the groups name may be different. only gid is relevant then
2023-08-31 16:07:19	bf_	what could explain that all visible files on my system have gid 1000 and all dotfiles have git 984?
2023-08-31 16:07:23	bf_	*gid 984
2023-08-31 16:07:42	bf_	no I can guarantee I didnt mount it somewhere else or mounted a folder as docker volume
2023-08-31 16:08:18	bf_	https://paste.rs/lyZyu.txt
2023-08-31 16:08:20	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-08-31 16:08:47	bf_	basically I'll rename informant to beni and then chown beni:beni -R ~
2023-08-31 16:09:09	ariadnavigo	wait
2023-08-31 16:09:42	ariadnavigo	what's the GIDs of *files* under those directories?
2023-08-31 16:10:04	ariadnavigo	because what I see is 984 in files and 1000 in directories... it just happens that all files are dotfiles
2023-08-31 16:10:14	ariadnavigo	but what about files that are NOT dotfiles
2023-08-31 16:10:22	⚡ 	ariadnavigo has a hypothesis of what happened here
2023-08-31 16:10:23	susi	maybe archiso got USERGROUPS_ENAB set to no (false)
2023-08-31 16:10:33	bf_	folder "Screenshots" in the paste has gid 984 and the files in it also have gid 984
2023-08-31 16:10:45	bf_	but ~ also has gid 984
2023-08-31 16:11:12	astralc	susi: but you create user >in< the system
2023-08-31 16:11:23	astralc	did you copy the files from somewhere?
2023-08-31 16:11:34	astralc	or they created automatically?
2023-08-31 16:11:35	ariadnavigo	ok, do the recursive chown
2023-08-31 16:11:41	ariadnavigo	but then create a new file
2023-08-31 16:11:43	bf_	folder "Virtualbox VMs" has gid 1000 but the file in it has gid 984 and the folder in it has gid 1000
2023-08-31 16:11:53	astralc	also, what your user group in /etc/passwd?
2023-08-31 16:12:08	bf_	beni❌1000:984::
2023-08-31 16:12:13	bf_	that might be part of the problem :)
2023-08-31 16:12:29	ariadnavigo	I think you probably effed up some 'find -exec chown' command some time ago
2023-08-31 16:13:04	bf_	must be
2023-08-31 16:13:11	bf_	but I cant find any in bash_history
2023-08-31 16:13:16	ariadnavigo	but just to be sure, change everything and *then* create a new file... let's see how that new file was created
2023-08-31 16:13:20	ariadnavigo	s/was/is/
2023-08-31 16:14:34	susi	astralc: yeah, I guess I have useradd -aG:t
2023-08-31 16:14:34	bf_	so I first do usermod --gid 1000 beni; groupmod -n beni informant; then chown -R beni:beni ~
2023-08-31 16:14:51	susi	bf_: I guess you've done the same - you used -G when useradd'ing yourself
2023-08-31 16:14:59	bf_	could be
2023-08-31 16:15:51	susi	oops, I mixed -g and -G, so nvm that
2023-08-31 16:16:06	bf_	I did some usermod with the docker user but I cant find it in bash_history
2023-08-31 16:20:28	chiselfuse	if i am chrooted in /mnt while installing, to install additional packages do i just `pacman -Sy vim`?
2023-08-31 16:21:43	ariadnavigo	pacman -S vim
2023-08-31 16:22:01	susi	but yeah, if I use -g with useradd, it does not create a group with $USER name; it does if I use -G since USERGROUPS_ENAB=yes
2023-08-31 16:22:19	bf_	now it is like it's supposed to be
2023-08-31 16:22:23	bf_	so weird :X
2023-08-31 16:22:29	bf_	thanks for helping me guys
2023-08-31 16:22:34	ariadnavigo	\o/
2023-08-31 16:22:39	chiselfuse	bf_: will you be my bf
2023-08-31 16:22:40	bf_	:D
2023-08-31 16:22:46	ariadnavigo	but have you created a new file?
2023-08-31 16:23:00	ariadnavigo	is it created with the proper group?
2023-08-31 16:23:08	bf_	new file stil has 984
2023-08-31 16:23:19	ariadnavigo	and that's not what you want
2023-08-31 16:23:20	bf_	I need to reboot I think
2023-08-31 16:23:40	ariadnavigo	logout/login should be enough...
2023-08-31 16:24:01	chiselfuse	tfwno bf
2023-08-31 16:24:40	ariadnavigo	(I'm thinking... is there some setgid bit set on the parent directory?)
2023-08-31 16:24:45	bf_	hm gnome-shell logout didnt help, id still shows 984
2023-08-31 16:25:16	bf_	let me quickly reboot, brb
2023-08-31 16:25:16	Commander_Keen	hey I know this isn't Arch specific, but it is a very popular package to use on Arch : does anyone have any experience hacking on NeoFetch? It's not displaying the terminal_font correctly - and the alternatives(screenfetch etc) aren't a fix
2023-08-31 16:25:59	Commander_Keen	I want to just comment out the whole contents of the get_font() function and replace it with a bash script to get the current font -is this a good solution? anyone have simlar problems?
2023-08-31 16:26:40	susi	but now this is weird, I created a user foobar2 with -g plex, I do `su - foobar2' and id answers uid=1002(foobar2) gid=966(plex) groups=966(plex) -- but there's no foobar2 in /etc/group?
2023-08-31 16:26:44	susi	how is this possible?
2023-08-31 16:26:47	Commander_Keen	phrik bobsterman
2023-08-31 16:26:47	phrik	bob's a good guy once you get to know him.
2023-08-31 16:27:15	Commander_Keen	phrik list
2023-08-31 16:27:16	phrik	Commander_Keen: ALwiki, Admin, Aka, Anonymous, Channel, Conditional, Config, DDG, DarkSky, Dict, Dunno, Filter, Format, Games, Googler, Internet, Karma, Kickme, Later, Math, MessageParser, Misc, MoobotFactoids, Network, OpsPing, Owner, Plugin, QuoteGrabs, RSS, Reply, Scheduler, Services, String, Success, Time, Topic, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
2023-08-31 16:27:41	NetSysFire	can you do that in a /query to phrik?
2023-08-31 16:27:45	NetSysFire	it clogs up the channel
2023-08-31 16:28:15	Commander_Keen	yeah-sorry- I was trying to do that an i messed it up the first time - I've got a private chat with phrik going now 
2023-08-31 16:28:26	bf_	ariadnavigo: works after reboot :)
2023-08-31 16:28:28	bf_	thank you very much
2023-08-31 16:28:29	Commander_Keen	I'm just trying to figure out all the things phrik can do :)
2023-08-31 16:28:36	NetSysFire	!give Commander_Keen aw phrik
2023-08-31 16:28:36	ariadnavigo	bf_: yay!
2023-08-31 16:28:37	phrik	Commander_Keen: Phrik - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Phrik
2023-08-31 16:28:48	NetSysFire	quotes and factoids are the most interesting usually
2023-08-31 16:29:03	ariadnavigo	susi: foobar2 is a uid, not a gid... so it's not under /etc/groups
2023-08-31 16:30:21	susi	ariadnavigo: /etc/group format is group_name:password:GID:user_list
2023-08-31 16:30:30	susi	ariadnavigo: it shows other foobar users I created
2023-08-31 16:30:56	susi	in plex:... line there's no foobar2
2023-08-31 16:31:05	Commander_Keen	the other day I mentioned how phrik had tricked me into thinking he was a real user when I first encountered him - another user was able to do a command that was something like `! passed the turing test` and then phrik responded with a comment about his "quest for world domination" it was really funny and cool and I cant figure out what command he used
2023-08-31 16:31:32	ariadnavigo	susi: hm
2023-08-31 16:31:43	ariadnavigo	Linux is weird \o/
2023-08-31 16:33:10	espresso	Commander_Keen: hacking get_font() sounds like what I would do. and, <BrainDamage> !turing-test-passed
2023-08-31 16:33:13	susi	even `getent group plex' does not show foobar2, but when I su - foobar2 and issue `id', it shows groups=966(plex)
2023-08-31 16:33:22	susi	please explain
2023-08-31 16:33:33	ariadnavigo	have logged out and logged in again?
2023-08-31 16:33:47	susi	nope, and will not, it shows other foobars I created
2023-08-31 16:34:12	chiselfuse	if i have sda1 swap and sda2 root, do i install grub on sda2?
2023-08-31 16:34:13	NetSysFire	Commander_Keen: watch this
2023-08-31 16:34:16	NetSysFire	phrik is a real user
2023-08-31 16:34:16	phrik	Undeniably false...
2023-08-31 16:34:34	NetSysFire	!turing
2023-08-31 16:34:35	⚡ 	phrik got one step closer to world domination
2023-08-31 16:34:36	susi	ariadnavigo: okay, it's clear now
2023-08-31 16:34:52	chiselfuse	where do i install grub?
2023-08-31 16:35:10	susi	ariadnavigo: I set 966(plex) as a primary group for foobar2, and "Only the supplementary group associations are in /etc/group, and as a result, are the only ones that getent group will show. "
2023-08-31 16:35:36	ariadnavigo	oh
2023-08-31 16:35:56	ariadnavigo	chiselfuse: on which step of GRUB's installation are you?
2023-08-31 16:36:20	chiselfuse	ariadnavigo: `grub-install /dev/...`
2023-08-31 16:36:27	chiselfuse	wait, it's just sda
2023-08-31 16:36:31	chiselfuse	the device, not the partition
2023-08-31 16:36:37	ariadnavigo	if it's MBR yes
2023-08-31 16:36:53	chiselfuse	yea
2023-08-31 16:37:20	⚡ 	ariadnavigo hasn't used GRUB in ages lol
2023-08-31 16:37:30	chiselfuse	what do you use then
2023-08-31 16:37:39	ariadnavigo	I use systemd-boot, I'm on a UEFI system
2023-08-31 16:38:18	ariadnavigo	in the past I used the kernel EFISTUB feature but my UEFI firmware is a bit stupid so I changed back to a bootloader-based approach
2023-08-31 16:38:35	sysosus	hi guys, i'm new here. can you help me with a problem i'm having with mounting volumes?
2023-08-31 16:38:35	sysosus	I'm experiencing a weird behavior from Nemo, Nautilus, Caja and Thunar. All of them seem not to be able to mount a volume double-clicking on it or right-click -> mount. They all say "Unable to mount <volume>. An operation is already pending" or "Unable to mount <volume>. Timeout reached"
2023-08-31 16:38:36	sysosus	The only workaround i found consists in opening Nemo, killing both udisksd and gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor, then execute gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor from terminal and finally the mount functionality of the file manager works as expected.
2023-08-31 16:38:40	sysosus	sorry for the wall of text
2023-08-31 16:38:59	sysosus	let's just say that this "solution" is not what I want to stick with lmao
2023-08-31 16:44:20	espresso	chiselfuse: so you are at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Installation_2 (bios).. (I also use systemd-boot, but end up resorting to https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB for initramfs.) 
2023-08-31 16:44:21	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-31 16:44:59	ariadnavigo	espresso: why? initramfs in systemd-boot is as easy as adding a single line in your config file
2023-08-31 16:45:29	ariadnavigo	!rs
2023-08-31 16:45:29	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2023-08-31 16:46:42	ariadnavigo	https://paste.rs/lQFzO
2023-08-31 16:47:06	ariadnavigo	and the initramfs image goes to the root of your ESP
2023-08-31 16:47:14	espresso	ariadnavigo: I thought so too, but gave up after days of frustration - probably a misunderstanding on my part
2023-08-31 16:48:12	espresso	you inspire me to try it again :)
2023-08-31 16:48:27	NetSysFire	systemd-boot is indeed a good choice for a bootloader
2023-08-31 16:48:56	NetSysFire	sure it cant do fancy themes or even music like grub but who needs that anyways for a thing you spend *seconds* in
2023-08-31 16:49:26	espresso	I like minimal, and found it in all ways straightforward
2023-08-31 16:51:55	espresso	a buggy mb efi botched boot entries just to confuse me, but am rid of that
2023-08-31 16:57:27	chiselfuse	i need to ignore certificate errors in pacman, i tried adding -k to XferCommand curl command in /etc/pacman.conf but it still gives me SSL errors
2023-08-31 16:58:13	colo	maybe you *need* to fix the underlying problem instead? :)
2023-08-31 16:58:22	colo	what "SSL errors" do you get?
2023-08-31 16:59:05	chiselfuse	colo: no, it's my network provider mitm'ing my traffic, i have a proxy setup but it's 500KiB/s, i'd rather them backdoor me and get 8MiB/s when upgrading
2023-08-31 17:00:44	chiselfuse	hmm, apparently the default XferCommand isn't even curl
2023-08-31 17:01:40	chiselfuse	heh, nvm i got it to work but they block arch mirrors to begin with
2023-08-31 17:01:55	chiselfuse	so now i'm stuck with 500kb/s installing arch
2023-08-31 17:02:24	colo	chiselfuse: then just use a plain HTTP mirror?
2023-08-31 17:02:40	chiselfuse	this proxy i'm using is ass https://github.com/jpillora/chisel
2023-08-31 17:03:00	chiselfuse	colo: can you give me one? although i think they'll block it too
2023-08-31 17:03:32	colo	Server = http://linux.rz.rub.de/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch
2023-08-31 17:04:47	colo	chiselfuse: alternatively, choose from https://archlinux.org/mirrorlist/?protocol=http&ip_version=4&ip_version=6&use_mirror_status=on
2023-08-31 17:05:06	colo	use https://archlinux.org/mirrorlist/ to click-your-own-querystring
2023-08-31 17:05:07	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Pacman Mirrorlist Generator (at archlinux.org)
2023-08-31 17:05:25	chiselfuse	error: failed retrieving file 'extra.db' from linux.rz.rub.de : The requested URL returned error: 503
2023-08-31 17:05:42	chiselfuse	they block it
2023-08-31 17:05:54	chiselfuse	it's actually them intercepting it and writing 503
2023-08-31 17:06:24	chiselfuse	actually wait
2023-08-31 17:08:43	another|	NetSysFire: 
2023-08-31 17:08:47	another|	oops sorry
2023-08-31 17:28:14	J_Darnley	Is there a way to specify "Before" in systemd "A.service" all instances of another "B@.service"?
2023-08-31 17:30:29	J_Darnley	Can I use a glob in these files like I can on the command line?
2023-08-31 17:32:14	astralc	add After to B@.service?
2023-08-31 17:34:06	J_Darnley	That would do it but not all uses of B need A
2023-08-31 17:34:20	J_Darnley	s/would/does/
2023-08-31 17:43:55	espresso	J_Darnley: it seems a typical workaround is having B@.service Require a single new B-instances.target, then have that required by A.service
2023-08-31 17:47:50	conr	i'm back, what does it mean if the grub menu is loading in 1440p when i set `GRUB_GTXMODE` but when it goes to the terminal prompt goes to 1080p or 720p? I want it all to be 1440p.
2023-08-31 17:48:38	espresso	*correction on that last part: have A.service run Before=B-instances.target
2023-08-31 17:48:54	J_Darnley	yeah I inferred that
2023-08-31 17:50:56	J_Darnley	Would that get the order right though?  A is before the target not the actual processes that need it.
2023-08-31 17:51:22	J_Darnley	I've had this problem before with "meta" services
2023-08-31 17:53:48	J_Darnley	Problem is ideally I don't want B to mention A.  But I have to edit B's service file for the right options anyway so what difference is there really?
2023-08-31 17:53:54	espresso	oh, would also need B@.service to After=A.service
2023-08-31 18:41:08	conr	yes, i double check that
2023-08-31 18:42:08	susi	okhay, but set that early kms stuff in order, and make sure youse has GFX_PAYLOAD=keep 
2023-08-31 18:42:41	susi	there should be "set gfxpayload=keep"s in your grub.cfg (grub-mkconfig does this for you if you have that variable set in /etc/default/grub)
2023-08-31 18:44:10	conr	has it
2023-08-31 18:44:20	espresso	maybe I missed a step myself, back when I was trying and trying to get nvidia to keep a resolution
2023-08-31 18:49:33	conr	https://clbin.com/mZKbB
2023-08-31 18:49:38	conr	here's my grub file
2023-08-31 18:51:16	susi	you should set GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT to gfxterm, as told earlier
2023-08-31 18:52:36	espresso	NetSysFire: Oh! Now I recall I replaced grub long ago with systemd-boot xD
2023-08-31 18:59:10	conr	fudge
2023-08-31 19:00:17	susi	you also need to un-comment that line, GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT=gfxterm, and then grub-mkconfig
2023-08-31 19:01:45	conr	yes done, rebooting
2023-08-31 19:02:28	conr	isn't your comments the same thing susi?
2023-08-31 19:02:54	susi	?
2023-08-31 19:03:14	conr	"you should set GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT to gfxterm, as told earlier" AND "you also need to un-comment that line, GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT=gfxterm, and then grub-mkconfig"
2023-08-31 19:03:20	conr	that's the same variable
2023-08-31 19:04:03	susi	wanted to make sure you uncomment it, not just add gfxterm to it, and grub-mkconfig afterwards
2023-08-31 19:04:50	conr	gotcha, did but still the same.
2023-08-31 19:04:58	conr	do i need to shutdown?
2023-08-31 19:09:45	susi	did you reboot after grub-mkconfig?
2023-08-31 19:10:01	conr	yes
2023-08-31 19:10:15	susi	what GPU youse has?
2023-08-31 19:10:34	susi	you need to take that KMS wiki article under working now
2023-08-31 19:10:36	conr	rx570
2023-08-31 19:11:21	conr	but i have two gpus on the motherboard.
2023-08-31 19:11:36	susi	and the other one is?
2023-08-31 19:11:49	conr	rtx 3080
2023-08-31 19:12:13	conr	i was doing a gpu passthrough vm for awhile but now i just do dual boot.
2023-08-31 19:13:47	conr	`sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg` is correct right?
2023-08-31 19:14:00	susi	yes
2023-08-31 19:14:31	susi	conr: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA/Tips_and_tricks#Fixing_terminal_resolution
2023-08-31 19:14:33	phrik	Title: NVIDIA/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-08-31 19:15:06	conr	how can i verify which gpu arch is outputting with?
2023-08-31 19:25:42	espresso	conr: lspci -v | grep VGA
2023-08-31 19:26:37	conr	0a:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480/570/570X/580/580X/590] (rev ef) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
2023-08-31 19:26:39	conr	0b:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GA102 [GeForce RTX 3080] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
2023-08-31 19:27:01	Commander_Keen	window 2
2023-08-31 19:27:43	conr	Commander_Keen: what?
2023-08-31 19:27:44	Commander_Keen	sorry - Im trying to set up irssi - please ignore my nonsense
2023-08-31 19:27:54	conr	ok
2023-08-31 20:07:44	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-08-31 20:48:24	arno	Is there a tool to download a package source? like apt-get source for debian?
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2023-08-31 20:51:40	mpan	arno: you may use <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Abs#Using_the_pkgctl_tool> for entire building process, or use the “Source Files” link on package’s page.
2023-08-31 20:51:42	phrik	Title: Arch build system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-08-31 20:54:00	espresso	arno: alternatively, I think paru and pbget helpers can
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2023-08-31 21:06:41	arno	mpan: thanks. But I can't remember the gitlab url whenever I need it. And pkgctl seems to requires a gitlab account for some reason.
2023-08-31 21:06:59	MrElendig	it doesn't
2023-08-31 21:07:20	Namarrgon	it doesn't need an account, but unfortunately the default protocol is set to ssh
2023-08-31 21:07:27	mpan	arno: and the URL is in the link I gave, if you to just access PKGBUILD over web.
2023-08-31 21:07:38	Namarrgon	pkgctl repo clone --protocol https pacman
2023-08-31 21:07:51	arno	I get git@gitlab.archlinux.org: Permission denied (publickey) with pkgctl
2023-08-31 21:08:05	mpan	Yes, but see what Namarrgon said.
2023-08-31 21:08:30	arno	thanks. That seems to work
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2023-08-31 21:19:57	fixeria	Hi all!  PKGBUILD related question: does package() function have read access to the user's filesystem?
2023-08-31 21:20:56	Namarrgon	it has access to whatever the build-user has access to
2023-08-31 21:21:02	fixeria	I just wrote a PKGBUILD for a project, which hard-codes the install path to /opt/PROJECT 
2023-08-31 21:21:31	fixeria	make install would simply ignore the DESTDIR and install everything to /opt/PROJECT
2023-08-31 21:21:35	Namarrgon	how hard is it hard-coded?
2023-08-31 21:22:06	◣	dzatovic (~dzatovic@user/dzatovic) ha salido (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2023-08-31 21:22:43	fixeria	Namarrgon: https://www.freecalypso.org/hg/freecalypso-tools/file/tip/Makefile
2023-08-31 21:22:47	phrik	Title: freecalypso-tools: b515a97e5dff Makefile (at www.freecalypso.org)
2023-08-31 21:23:06	Namarrgon	patch the Makefile
2023-08-31 21:23:11	fixeria	the 'INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/freecalypso' part in particular
2023-08-31 21:23:40	fixeria	Namarrgon: ok, thanks.  I had this in mind, but hoped there is some other way...
2023-08-31 21:24:21	Namarrgon	of you can't override it during the make call or the environment then you have to fix the Makefile
2023-08-31 21:24:39	Namarrgon	is there no configure script?
2023-08-31 21:26:17	fixeria	nope, the author/maintainer is an old-style person using Slackware and writing Makefiles by hand
2023-08-31 21:26:17	Namarrgon	apparently not
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2023-08-31 21:27:03	Namarrgon	https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=freecalypso-tools-hg#n41
2023-08-31 21:27:04	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-08-31 21:27:06	fixeria	she is strictly against using any other (than /opt/freecalypso) install directory and even hard-codes it in the code (not only in Makefiles)
2023-08-31 21:27:27	fixeria	Namarrgon: this is one of the packages I just submitted
2023-08-31 21:27:53	fixeria	this part sucks: https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=freecalypso-tools-hg#n44
2023-08-31 21:27:55	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2023-08-31 21:39:42	jclsn	God, this is starting to piss me off. Does anyone know how to prevent the firefox language from resetting everytime you update?
2023-08-31 21:40:14	fixeria	oh, I actually don't need to patch Makefiles
2023-08-31 21:40:21	fixeria	make INSTALL_PREFIX="${pkgdir}/opt/freecalypso/" install  -- this works
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2023-08-31 23:21:10	Arsimael	(reboot, with kernel 6.5) 
2023-08-31 23:24:40	⚡ 	cloudowind thanks to bonob 
2023-08-31 23:41:13	Arsimael	kernel 6.5. hexchat crashes sometimes, but no flickering so far :D
2023-08-31 23:43:28	rcf	damarusama: there is an example in the agetty manpage that would allow this 
2023-08-31 23:44:24	damarusama	rcf thanks - I'm getting to know the getty stuff! isn't agetty related to the console terminal?
2023-08-31 23:44:28	rcf	damarusama: aside from the need to send a modem initialization command, it's just like setting up a serial console otherwise. 
2023-08-31 23:45:54	rcf	damarusama: and indeed it is, the serial port the modem is on becomes another console. 
2023-08-31 23:46:08	damarusama	ho ok, I see
2023-08-31 23:46:30	rcf	No fancy server needed, you already have it. 
2023-08-31 23:47:18	damarusama	right, that's what made me go what?? shouldn't there be something that translate the modem connection to a console something...
2023-08-31 23:47:34	damarusama	modem are cooler than I though! 
2023-08-31 23:47:39	damarusama	thought
2023-08-31 23:49:32	Namarrgon	Arsimael: which wm/compositor are you using? does it help if you disable freesync?
2023-08-31 23:51:17	Arsimael	Plasma on wayland
2023-08-31 23:51:51	Arsimael	currently I'm trying kernel 6.5, everything else is up-to-date
2023-08-31 23:52:01	Arsimael	Anyone want to join a round of killing flor 2? :D 
2023-08-31 23:54:08	allos	Hi, a few questions about PCI passthrough: does adding files to modprobe.d require mkinitcpio -P? Does modprobe.d not require vfio_pci vfio vfio_iommu_type1? Should drm in softdep drm pre: vfio-pci be changed to amdgpu for an AMDGPU?
2023-08-31 23:55:00	allos	Basically, I did 3.2.1 and it didn't work. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF#Loading_vfio-pci_early
2023-08-31 23:55:02	phrik	Title: PCI passthrough via OVMF - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-01 00:00:56	bonob	blacklisting in modprobe.d doesn't require to refresh with mkinitcpio. Since you vio* modules get loaded in early boot, they don't need to be loaded again throug modprobe. I don't understand the last question. That's from my previous experience with passthrough, long time I haven't used it though..
2023-09-01 00:01:38	bonob	vfio*
2023-09-01 00:02:20	allos	I meant: 1. Does adding files to /etc/modprobe.d require mkinitcpio -P?
2023-09-01 00:02:32	bonob	it doesn't
2023-09-01 00:03:16	allos	2. If I do step 3.2.1 instead of 3.2.2, why do I need less modules?
2023-09-01 00:03:40	allos	vfio-pci mentioned but vfio_pci vfio vfio_iommu_type1 are missing from this step.
2023-09-01 00:04:12	bonob	3.2.2 is intended to force vfio* modules to load early, before the kernel takes control of the GPU. That's the method I've always used personally.
2023-09-01 00:04:33	allos	Oh, you used the other method, okay.
2023-09-01 00:05:21	allos	3. shouldn't `softdep drm pre: vfio-pci` be `softdep amdgpu pre: vfio-pci` since I have an AMD GPU. I guess you don't know, since you didn't choose this method.
2023-09-01 00:05:51	bonob	for 3.2.1, I guess vfio-pci pulls in the other modules, but that's just a guess really
2023-09-01 00:06:23	allos	Maybe, there is a command to list dependencies. I will search.
2023-09-01 00:07:18	bonob	no idea about question 3 really. Can you successfully passthrough using the initramfs method?
2023-09-01 00:08:11	allos	I will try that now.
2023-09-01 00:08:38	allos	The wiki said it was slower, so I tried the first method first.
2023-09-01 00:08:39	bonob	that's the more reliable, and certainly what I'd suggest for troubleshooting
2023-09-01 00:08:48	allos	Okay, thanks you!
2023-09-01 00:08:50	allos	thank you!
2023-09-01 00:11:33	bonob	the warning in 3.2.2 is worrying I guess (the page changed a lot since I last looked at it). I've always booted my passthrough setup with no display whatsoever on the screen ><
2023-09-01 00:13:09	bonob	and offtopic, but I lost the use of passthrough once I found out that Steam does a marvelous job of supporting games in Linux, about 2 years ago..
2023-09-01 00:16:11	cedb	whats a good command for installing all of a packages optional deps?
2023-09-01 00:16:26	cedb	like without sed would be nice
2023-09-01 00:28:32	bonob	allos: I added a note on the passthrough wiki page, which hopefully will be helpful to others in your situation!
2023-09-01 00:34:35	allos	Yeah, a bit concerning as I use FDE.
2023-09-01 00:35:05	bonob	FDE?
2023-09-01 00:35:11	allos	full disk encryption
2023-09-01 00:37:14	bonob	oh.. loading modules in the initial ramdisk shouldn't bear on full disk encryption though?
2023-09-01 00:39:23	allos	Oh, I see: 'Make sure to add GPU drivers to initramfs when choosing this method.'
2023-09-01 00:41:27	bonob	oh, you have to input a password at boot?
2023-09-01 00:41:39	allos	Yes
2023-09-01 00:42:20	bonob	understood. For troubleshooting, I'd try a system without FDE then, but I realize that might be a lot of work!
2023-09-01 00:43:26	mingdao	 
2023-09-01 00:43:59	betabube	hi
2023-09-01 00:45:12	bonob	and I still have 'amdgpu' in my mkinitcpio.conf modules line, last position actually, after the 3 vfio modules
2023-09-01 00:46:10	bonob	what I have there: MODULES=(vfio_pci vfio vfio_iommu_type1 amdgpu)
2023-09-01 00:52:41	Arsimael	Ok. Kernel 6.5 seems to solve the crashing and flickering issue
2023-09-01 00:53:08	bonob	bisecting you will need then?
2023-09-01 00:56:32	NetSysFire	if its already fixed no use in bisecting
2023-09-01 01:30:23	Commander_Keen	"/bind ^J scroll_backwrd"
2023-09-01 01:30:25	Commander_Keen	and then
2023-09-01 01:30:39	Commander_Keen	"/bind ^K scroll_forward"
2023-09-01 01:30:58	Commander_Keen	that will make it so you can scroll up and down with control plus j and k
2023-09-01 01:31:45	bonob	wrong channel, Commander_Keen?
2023-09-01 01:33:10	Commander_Keen	yes - I just realized why this keeps happening - P in irssi switches channels- so when I go to paste in #irssi it is switching me to another channel - sorry for clogging up the chat (im going to re bind the keys to solve this problem)
2023-09-01 01:33:55	Commander_Keen	i just started using irssi as my IRC client today and obviusly Im still figuring it out
2023-09-01 01:47:36	bonob	no reason to feel sorry, Commander_Keen! why are you trying out irssi?
2023-09-01 01:49:33	gehidore	can't be cool without irssi
2023-09-01 01:50:42	bonob	is it better than weechat?
2023-09-01 02:04:56	ik3da	i mainly use xmpp so i was happy to learn irc bridging is possible; now i use profanity for everything and it's rather pleasant
2023-09-01 02:05:26	ik3da	weechat was hard lol
2023-09-01 02:11:49	betabube	i should donate to arch something
2023-09-01 02:11:55	betabube	really good os, 10 years already
2023-09-01 03:43:14	jenia2	Hello
2023-09-01 03:43:35	jenia2	How can I find out where are the LIBBPF_HEADERS?
2023-09-01 03:44:03	jenia2	ah no, sorry
2023-09-01 03:44:04	jenia2	:)
2023-09-01 03:46:45	jenia2	How to find out where "libbpf.a" is located? In which directory or which package?
2023-09-01 03:47:00	jenia2	For example, it's not here: https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/libbpf/
2023-09-01 03:47:03	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - libbpf 1.2.2-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2023-09-01 03:48:18	Scimmia	As a rule, Arch doesn't ship static libs
2023-09-01 03:49:52	jenia2	Scimmia: humm got it. thanks!!
2023-09-01 05:32:50	BackWard	Should i reinstall system. startx is hanginig ?
2023-09-01 05:35:58	BackWard	hhyprland-nvidiagiving seg fault
2023-09-01 05:36:09	BackWard	hyprland nvidia giving seg fault
2023-09-01 05:36:15	rcf	BackWard: if I recall your situation correctly I’d remove Xorg configuration and start over there 
2023-09-01 05:36:25	rcf	Oh
2023-09-01 05:37:35	rcf	BackWard: do other compositors work 
2023-09-01 05:38:34	BackWard	yes, 
2023-09-01 05:38:40	BackWard	with integreated gpu
2023-09-01 05:40:04	BackWard	i want to get back to xorg
2023-09-01 06:02:02	Scimmia	reinstalling the system won't help in most cases
2023-09-01 06:02:33	Scimmia	if you want to get back to xorg, why are you using hyperland?
2023-09-01 06:02:48	Scimmia	and what does hyperland have to do with startx?
2023-09-01 06:03:41	BackWard	Scimmia: i was using it
2023-09-01 06:04:07	BackWard	now startx is not working
2023-09-01 06:05:44	Scimmia	starting what? What's in the logs?
2023-09-01 06:06:14	BackWard	nothing its all fine
2023-09-01 06:06:56	Scimmia	ok, then, I guess there's no problems
2023-09-01 08:11:25	susi	BackWard: if you reinstall system every time issues occur, you'll learn nothing
2023-09-01 08:13:15	rcf	BackWard: post the logs regardless, someone else around now might have a better idea of what's going on 
2023-09-01 08:13:39	rcf	I saw them last time, but maybe now there's someone else with an actual nvidia setup 
2023-09-01 09:10:09	Classmate	startx not screeen found?
2023-09-01 09:10:26	Classmate	hello im BackWard
2023-09-01 09:10:34	Classmate	reinstalled the system 
2023-09-01 09:10:47	Classmate	usng envycontrol to chnage gpu to nvidia
2023-09-01 09:11:08	Classmate	blacklisted the naouve driver
2023-09-01 09:11:22	jelle	are we humanlove after all
2023-09-01 09:13:44	Classmate	yup 
2023-09-01 09:15:06	Classmate	jelle: going help to solve the problem?
2023-09-01 09:24:09	Ennea	jelle, having nightmares yet? :)
2023-09-01 09:24:28	jelle	oh they quit
2023-09-01 09:24:30	jelle	Ennea: no
2023-09-01 09:25:01	Ennea	surprising
2023-09-01 09:26:29	jelle	Ennea: I am not willing to help that person anymore 
2023-09-01 09:27:10	Ennea	yea, that is very understandable
2023-09-01 09:27:27	Ennea	they seem particularly resistant to advice
2023-09-01 09:27:46	rcf	I'm willing to help them, but they should provide relevant information again 
2023-09-01 09:47:20	hao	hi, when I'm trying to install transmission-gtk, it failed to  failed retrieving file 'miniupnpc-2.2.4-2-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst' from mirrors.hit.edu.cn : The requested URL returned error: 404
2023-09-01 09:47:54	BrainDamage	run a -Syu
2023-09-01 09:48:23	BrainDamage	package version updated and your db is still referring to the old version
2023-09-01 09:49:29	hao	I thought it was because of my mirrorlist, but changed a few, still got the error, then I head to the repo site, saw that is was flaged "out of date", does the 404 error have to do with the flag?
2023-09-01 09:49:29	hao	BrandonArnold: okay, I'll try that and see
2023-09-01 09:49:30	hao	thanks
2023-09-01 09:50:35	ClassMate	Hello im back
2023-09-01 09:50:49	ClassMate	startx hanging ? :S
2023-09-01 09:51:04	ClassMate	can anybody help?
2023-09-01 09:51:28	Ennea	hao, the 404 has to do with the fact that your package database is outdated. when you've last refreshed your package db (via -Syu), miniupnpc was version 2.2.4-2. but now it's version 2.2.5-1. and since package mirrors only ever serve the latest package version, the old one isn't available anymore
2023-09-01 09:53:04	ClassMate	termbin.com/r1z0 xorg.conf
2023-09-01 09:54:32	ClassMate	hello anyone will look at the config?
2023-09-01 09:57:21	Tom^	ClassMate: and xf86-video-amdpgu is installed? you could post the Xorg.0.log aswell
2023-09-01 09:59:26	rcf	ClassMate: I'd avoid the amdgpu stuff entirely 
2023-09-01 10:00:14	Tom^	id avoid X but thats me
2023-09-01 10:02:42	ClassMate	brb rebooting. installed the package reconfig thee envycontrol need reboot brbr
2023-09-01 10:04:21	smik	I have problem with Lutris. I searched what came to my mind and tried some things but I don't know what to do next. I suspect that something with GTK or python on my system may be broken but I don't know how to even check that.
2023-09-01 10:04:21	ClassMate	Tom^: now its black screen
2023-09-01 10:04:29	smik	  _gi.type_register(cls, namespace.get('__gtype_name__'))
2023-09-01 10:04:40	smik	"/usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/gi/types.py:217: Warning: cannot derive 'lutris+gui+widgets+log_text_view+LogTextView' from final parent type 'GtkTextView'
2023-09-01 10:04:41	smik	  _gi.type_register(cls, namespace.get('__gtype_name__'))"
2023-09-01 10:05:50	ClassMate	??
2023-09-01 10:08:44	rcf	ClassMate: I may try a manual configuration of X 
2023-09-01 10:09:11	rcf	It may well work without any configuration at all 
2023-09-01 10:09:48	ClassMate	yes its wokring but i cant see alacritty on nvidiad-smi
2023-09-01 10:09:59	ClassMate	when i remove xorg.conf
2023-09-01 10:10:03	ClassMate	it works    
2023-09-01 10:10:10	ClassMate	but no alacritty on nvidia
2023-09-01 10:11:12	rcf	If it's just one application I may just switch that 
2023-09-01 10:11:15	rcf	Though that sounds really odd 
2023-09-01 10:12:54	ClassMate	i thnking of installing ubuntu
2023-09-01 10:12:57	ClassMate	lol
2023-09-01 10:13:44	ClassMate	who usess archlinux?
2023-09-01 10:16:02	ClassMate	nerds
2023-09-01 10:18:21	lede	yes
2023-09-01 10:19:41	ClassMate	how much reading you guys do in day?
2023-09-01 10:19:56	chromas	at least 40
2023-09-01 10:21:10	lede	sometimes only 12
2023-09-01 10:23:48	ClassMate	omg
2023-09-01 10:55:58	Tom^	lol
2023-09-01 11:15:42	eoli3n	Hi
2023-09-01 12:23:09	⚡ 	floyd greets everyone
2023-09-01 12:23:32	⚡ 	raster runs away from scary greetings
2023-09-01 12:28:13	Earnestly	Recently used an old school phpbb forum and forgot how cosy the old [code]tags[/code] tags were
2023-09-01 12:34:10	bf_	Would you recommend btrfs for production servers even though one doesn't use it's recovery features?
2023-09-01 12:34:46	floyd	is that a file system?
2023-09-01 12:36:29	floyd	seems like it is 
2023-09-01 12:37:29	dviola	bf_: sure, reflinks can be handy on servers (backups, etc)
2023-09-01 12:37:42	bf_	yes, I kind of installed in blindly on some systems and wonder if it'll eat up the hdd much faster
2023-09-01 12:37:54	nl6720	xfs has reflinks too
2023-09-01 12:38:58	bf_	I've been using ext4 mostly. Does btrfs have mechanisms to clean up space if it fills up the disk too much? like linux does with cleaning and compressing /var/log/* ?
2023-09-01 12:39:29	bf_	just need to get a feeling if this should be on my "problems-to-anticipate" list or if it is not relevant issue
2023-09-01 12:39:33	jelle	that isn't filesystem related
2023-09-01 12:39:55	bf_	I know it's different mechanis, but has same goal to keep system running
2023-09-01 12:40:11	jelle	bf_: how would ext4 know when to "clean up space"
2023-09-01 12:41:34	bf_	no, ext4 doesnt do that of course. But IIRC btrfs has this copy on write mechanism which can take up a lot of space quickly, e.g. when working with qemu images
2023-09-01 12:41:54	bf_	I'm curious if btrfs automatically recognizes if it is at 90% and does some compression etc
2023-09-01 12:42:38	jelle	it does not, but it can do transparent compression
2023-09-01 12:42:51	jelle	bf_: you wouldn't want to run qemu images from CoW anyway
2023-09-01 12:43:28	bf_	exactly what I'm doing :) ok I'll add it to my list of problems.
2023-09-01 12:43:58	bf_	any way to mitigate this or do I need to reformat and switch systems?
2023-09-01 12:44:16	BrainDamage	you can selectively disable CoW for a path
2023-09-01 12:44:19	jelle	from ext4?
2023-09-01 12:45:56	bf_	BrainDamage: the qemu images are stored in dynamic folder in /var/run, maybe /var/run excluded from btrfs CoW by default?
2023-09-01 12:46:28	BrainDamage	there's no such automagic
2023-09-01 12:46:50	jelle	qemu images in var/run/?!
2023-09-01 12:46:52	bf_	o.o so all /var/run is cow'd automatically?
2023-09-01 12:47:12	jelle	run is tmpfs
2023-09-01 12:47:42	bf_	perfect!
2023-09-01 12:48:13	bf_	I've written a fancy systemd service which creates a dynamic qemu image and runs docker-compose within it. 
2023-09-01 12:48:32	bf_	so this is not a problem at all, very good :)
2023-09-01 12:48:36	river	that sounds interesting
2023-09-01 12:49:14	bf_	river: it's a staging service with different port for each qemu'd docker-compose service. it lets me stage different docker-compose webapps on same server. it uses systemd.path to automatically restart if docker-compose files change
2023-09-01 12:49:19	bf_	it's part of my gitea action
2023-09-01 12:49:22	BrainDamage	are you really sure you keep your images in /var/run? because that sound like a terrible idea
2023-09-01 12:49:50	bf_	BrainDamage: it's temporary images which are derived from one arch base image which is much more static and stored in /root/
2023-09-01 12:50:02	dviola	qemu on btrfs is also something I've had to deal with, in the end I opted for creating raw qemu images and the performance is better... bcachefs supposedly will perform better
2023-09-01 12:51:53	dviola	you still want to defrag your VM dir to keep filefrag low
2023-09-01 12:52:18	jelle	dviola: why would bcachefs better then just using noCow on btrfs?
2023-09-01 12:52:21	bf_	I use systemd.patch for dynamic rebuilding of qemu instances and running new docker-compose inside it. systemd service uses RuntimeDirectory to have the temporarily running qemu image in /var/run. also DynamicUser so everything is isolated. Also it's done dynamically, so every service has a different linux user. basically my github action pushes to mywebapp@staging.server and then systemd
2023-09-01 12:52:21	bf_	qemu-docker-staging@mywebapp is run
2023-09-01 12:53:16	bf_	then the systemd service starts new qemu instance fromt he qemu base image, scp's the files it received from the github action into the qemu instance, and forwards some ports
2023-09-01 12:54:00	bf_	docker always listens on :3000 but the systemd staging service allows me that the host ports are :8001 :8002 etc. then there's an nginx with different subdomains in the front which forwards to the qemu instances
2023-09-01 12:55:19	dviola	jelle: good question, I just hear it as rumors, haven't tested or benchmarked things myself yet
2023-09-01 12:58:19	dviola	heard*
2023-09-01 13:01:37	jelle	by far not merged yet
2023-09-01 13:02:51	dviola	jelle: yeah, disabling CoW on btrfs should give you ext* levels of performance, right? I was thinking about bcachefs(cow) vs btrfs(cow) performance wise
2023-09-01 13:03:52	BrainDamage	storing a cow image on a cow filesystem sounds like a pointless excercise
2023-09-01 13:05:15	dviola	yes
2023-09-01 13:07:10	susi	are we bcache yet?
2023-09-01 13:07:23	susi	have not followed its development/progress for a while
2023-09-01 13:10:02	susi	bcachefs*
2023-09-01 13:10:04	jelle	no
2023-09-01 13:24:41	dviola	https://bcachefs.org/bcachefs_talk_2022_10.mpv
2023-09-01 13:51:14	Tom^	jelle: nocow on btrfs kinda ruins any kind of data loss prevention tho
2023-09-01 13:51:29	jelle	Tom^: data loss?
2023-09-01 13:52:13	Tom^	jelle: yeah i think so, pepperidge farm memory. i might be wrong but if i remember it right using nocow also means no checksumming fsck and repairing etc
2023-09-01 13:53:01	Tom^	jelle: so dont pull the cord if you run without em cows
2023-09-01 13:54:22	jelle	mwoah
2023-09-01 13:55:44	Tom^	so its the all in balls to the wall parameter on btfs :P
2023-09-01 13:55:50	Tom^	*btrfs
2023-09-01 13:56:00	dviola	cow-on-cow is also something folks want to perform well in general, simply for the reason of not having to tinker with the fs... as silly as it might sound
2023-09-01 13:56:49	jelle	Tom^: that is the way to run databases so mwoah
2023-09-01 13:57:10	Tom^	archwiki is full of lies
2023-09-01 13:57:12	Tom^	always has been :D
2023-09-01 13:57:59	Tom^	i do however have nocow on various logs and temp files tho
2023-09-01 13:58:08	Tom^	but mostly because i dont care about those heh
2023-09-01 13:58:41	jelle	Tom^: Do not copy-on-write data for newly created files, existing files are unaffected. This also turns off checksumming! IOW, nodatacow implies nodatasum
2023-09-01 13:58:45	jelle	oh you are right
2023-09-01 13:59:03	Tom^	"However, when NOCOW is in use, both checksums and atomic updates of the data blocks are gone. While other software RAID solutions do allow for ensuring things are in sync without copy on write, Btrfs does not, as such NOCOW is not intended to be used on anything other than "disposable data"."
2023-09-01 13:59:06	Tom^	yeah
2023-09-01 13:59:16	Tom^	the RAID0 of mount options.
2023-09-01 13:59:20	Tom^	all in YOLO
2023-09-01 13:59:45	jelle	mwoah
2023-09-01 14:04:12	polarian	jelle: as a note I emailed you, I would appreciate if you read it :D
2023-09-01 14:04:20	polarian	wait I could be /ignore'd by him...
2023-09-01 14:12:16	Khorne	Maybe you should call him to check if he got your email
2023-09-01 14:12:21	Khorne	I hear that's a good move usually
2023-09-01 14:18:02	elg	lol
2023-09-01 14:18:33	jelle	Khorne: 0906-jelle
2023-09-01 14:18:39	jelle	that joke probably does not work in germany
2023-09-01 14:19:10	Khorne	jelle, is that the phone sex hotline's number?
2023-09-01 14:19:47	Khorne	Works close enough, is 0900 in germany iirc
2023-09-01 14:19:52	jelle	Khorne: :P
2023-09-01 14:19:55	betabube	!bsg
2023-09-01 14:19:56	phrik	So say we all!
2023-09-01 14:39:57	post-factum	nice, consistent panic on boot in gen8_ggtt_insert_entries() with 6.5 once kwin wayland is started
2023-09-01 14:50:00	post-factum	https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/intel/-/issues/9256
2023-09-01 14:50:03	phrik	Title: Panic in gen8_ggtt_insert_entries() with v6.5 (#9256) · Issues · drm / intel · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2023-09-01 14:57:17	betabube	hi jelle how are you today?
2023-09-01 15:01:02	dviola	post-factum: ouch, are you going to bisect?
2023-09-01 15:01:17	post-factum	dviola: dunno yet
2023-09-01 15:03:31	post-factum	dviola:  fwiw, the same issue is observed with WhiskeyLake-U GT2 [UHD Graphics 620] (rev 02) on Lenovo T490s using X11, but not with TigerLake-LP GT2 [Iris Xe Graphics] (rev 01) on Lenovo T14s with X11
2023-09-01 15:04:14	dviola	post-factum: interesting
2023-09-01 15:21:55	dviola	gl
2023-09-01 15:26:09	lucenera	How do I change the country code of my WiFi card?
2023-09-01 15:27:53	lucenera	https://clbin.com/euW0M
2023-09-01 15:28:31	lucenera	https://clbin.com/jN1Z6
2023-09-01 15:30:53	lucenera	I used this: iw reg set=IT
2023-09-01 15:31:30	lucenera	And modified this: /etc/conf.d/wireless-regdom
2023-09-01 15:32:59	lucenera	https://clbin.com/vg3ER
2023-09-01 15:33:17	lucenera	It does not appear to be set by the firmware.
2023-09-01 15:42:01	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-01 16:49:26	throstur	for some reason, my i3 bar is now taking up two "lines", with the top line being only tray items (nm-applet, skype, steam). What changed and how do I fix it?
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2023-09-01 17:10:18	ℹ 	mven3 es conocido ahora como mven
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2023-09-01 17:19:38	throstur	it seems to have happened randomly, but I did an update to see if it would fix itself and it didnt
2023-09-01 17:19:49	throstur	my next step is to reboot, but I got incognito tabs open... oh well
2023-09-01 17:23:25	susi	maybe something is outputting a line-feed 
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2023-09-01 17:26:11	af	Hi, why is the bind package dependent on e2fsprogs? https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/bind/ vs. https://packages.debian.org/sid/bind9
2023-09-01 17:26:14	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - bind 9.18.18-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
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2023-09-01 17:29:40	Tom^	af: good question. https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/bind/-/commit/f7d41e02072d0be18edea47e7bbb3d1115394eae got added 8 years ago
2023-09-01 17:29:41	phrik	Title: merge dnsutils in bind-tools (f7d41e02) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / bind · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-01 17:30:23	ℹ 	avakand_ es conocido ahora como avakand
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2023-09-01 17:32:12	Namarrgon	named depends on licom_err.so
2023-09-01 17:32:23	Namarrgon	*libcom_err.so
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2023-09-01 17:33:13	Tom^	that explains that :p
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2023-09-01 17:44:24	susi	didn't explain why debian's bind isn't depent on it
2023-09-01 17:45:32	susi	Tom^: how did you find that commit so fast?
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2023-09-01 17:46:27	Tom^	susi: git blame
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2023-09-01 17:49:06	af	thanks
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2023-09-01 17:49:25	af	susi: debian has a separate libcom_err2 package
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2023-09-01 17:49:58	af	https://packages.debian.org/sid/bind9-libs listed as a dependency here
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2023-09-01 17:50:03	phrik	Title: Debian -- Details of package bind9-libs in sid (at packages.debian.org)
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2023-09-01 17:50:55	Tom^	af: https://packages.debian.org/sid/bind9-libs https://packages.debian.org/sid/libcom-err2
2023-09-01 17:50:56	phrik	Title: Debian -- Details of package bind9-libs in sid (at packages.debian.org)
2023-09-01 17:51:00	Tom^	af: so just different packaging
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2023-09-01 17:52:08	af	yea
2023-09-01 17:52:26	af	I linked the same above :P
2023-09-01 17:52:29	af	thanks guys
2023-09-01 17:52:33	Tom^	yeah noticed after i typed
2023-09-01 17:52:35	Tom^	xD
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2023-09-01 17:53:33	af	Anyone remember that package which aggregated and summarized changelogs from various sources for foss packages?
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2023-09-01 17:53:43	af	It was posted here long ago but I can't find it for the life of me
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2023-09-01 17:57:37	susi	Tom^: what kind of git blame line would be nice to look for this
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2023-09-01 17:58:47	novns	af, you dreamed it, and now you can create this project yourself
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2023-09-01 18:03:01	af	novns: yeah maybe I did
2023-09-01 18:03:27	ℹ 	another es conocido ahora como another|
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2023-09-01 18:15:45	sangy	what the fuck happened to ulem.sty 
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2023-09-01 18:15:55	sangy	like every machine I have I've been having to fix it in different ways
2023-09-01 18:18:22	sangy	sb put it on "plaingeneric" god forbid we had a gcc-libs splitpkg but latex is splintered into a thousand pieces and man would anything compile without ulem sty
2023-09-01 18:42:26	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-01 19:50:12	lemoi	I'm trying to enable/start systemd units under my own username and I get: Failed to connect to bus: No medium found
2023-09-01 19:50:28	lemoi	I'm not sure what's going on. systemctl --user gives me the same error
2023-09-01 19:54:06	astralc	in normal environment, not chroot?
2023-09-01 19:55:12	lemoi	normal environment, yes
2023-09-01 19:58:59	Namarrgon	what is the exact command that gives you that error?
2023-09-01 19:59:18	lemoi	systemctl --user
2023-09-01 19:59:32	lemoi	or systemctl enable foo.service
2023-09-01 19:59:38	lemoi	or systemctl enable foo.service --user
2023-09-01 20:02:10	astralc	what is the value of `printenv DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS`?
2023-09-01 20:02:35	lemoi	unix:path=/run/user/1000/bus
2023-09-01 20:03:28	markboston	why does fluidsynth require libpipewire? i don't want pipewire installed on my system
2023-09-01 20:04:13	astralc	markboston: it doesn't install pipewire, it bring some lib files some programs linked to
2023-09-01 20:04:43	markboston	hmm so its only installing the library?
2023-09-01 20:04:46	markboston	still odd
2023-09-01 20:05:23	astralc	why? it is built in the repo with pipewire support, so it need the library to function
2023-09-01 20:05:40	astralc	build it yourself if you want to remove the dep
2023-09-01 20:09:18	sensille	i'm trying to get my onboard wifi (intel AX201) to run. from dmesg: https://dpaste.org/rPrhF
2023-09-01 20:09:20	EMIYA_	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HpL3.txt
2023-09-01 20:09:20	phrik	Title: dpaste/rPrhF (Plain Text) (at dpaste.org)
2023-09-01 20:09:40	sensille	looks like there is firmware missing, but i can't find which package to install
2023-09-01 20:10:08	sensille	or wait, the firmware is there, but it fails to load
2023-09-01 20:12:21	lemoi	maybe install linux-firmware ?
2023-09-01 20:13:14	sensille	it is installed
2023-09-01 20:16:19	sensille	and at least some of the files listed in the paste are present under /lib/firmware
2023-09-01 20:17:42	Namarrgon	can you post the full kernel log?
2023-09-01 20:18:09	Namarrgon	lemoi: you're running that as your user, right, not as root or with sudi?
2023-09-01 20:18:11	Namarrgon	*sudo
2023-09-01 20:20:57	lemoi	Namarrgon: correct, running it as my own username. The goal here is to get the pipewire units enabled under my own username. Running sway w/ wayland btw
2023-09-01 20:21:09	lemoi	I'll try to get the logs
2023-09-01 20:21:10	Namarrgon	how do you log in?
2023-09-01 20:21:59	sensille	Namarrgon: https://0x0.st/HpLU.txt
2023-09-01 20:22:13	lemoi	logging in at the VTY. starting sway by typing sway
2023-09-01 20:22:43	Namarrgon	can you switch to the next free vt, log in there and try systemctl there?
2023-09-01 20:22:50	lemoi	sure
2023-09-01 20:23:12	Namarrgon	sensille: you added the wifi modules to the initramfs?
2023-09-01 20:23:46	lemoi	same error. However I'm prompted for a sudo password. ie. running 'systemctl --user' as user 'johndoe' prompts me for my own user password
2023-09-01 20:23:54	lemoi	there's some fuckery going on for sure
2023-09-01 20:24:01	Namarrgon	that really shouldn't happen
2023-09-01 20:24:02	sensille	Namarrgon: not on purpose
2023-09-01 20:24:10	Namarrgon	is systemctl aliased to something else?
2023-09-01 20:24:16	Namarrgon	sensille: post your mkinitcpio.conf
2023-09-01 20:25:03	sensille	Namarrgon: https://0x0.st/HpLD.conf
2023-09-01 20:25:13	Namarrgon	is that it?
2023-09-01 20:25:26	sensille	2 lines
2023-09-01 20:25:34	Namarrgon	did you strip out the rest?
2023-09-01 20:25:51	sensille	no
2023-09-01 20:25:53	Namarrgon	which distro is that?
2023-09-01 20:26:00	sensille	arch linux
2023-09-01 20:26:18	Namarrgon	a fork/spin of arch?
2023-09-01 20:26:22	sensille	no
2023-09-01 20:26:35	Namarrgon	where did the rest of the file go then?
2023-09-01 20:27:03	astralc	with archinstall?
2023-09-01 20:27:03	Namarrgon	you set the initramfs up for remote unlocking of the /-fs?
2023-09-01 20:27:17	sensille	no idea. i probably have edited it at install time to add zfs
2023-09-01 20:27:29	Namarrgon	how long ago was that?
2023-09-01 20:27:44	Namarrgon	"lsinitcpio /boot/initramfs-linux.img"
2023-09-01 20:28:06	sensille	maybe 2-3 years
2023-09-01 20:28:16	lemoi	Namarrgon: wow wow. it was indeed aliased to 'sudo systemctl' - good catch.
2023-09-01 20:28:33	lemoi	wow. a simple 'which systemctl' would've showed that
2023-09-01 20:28:43	Namarrgon	lemoi: that's why shadowing existing commands witha aliases is bad practice
2023-09-01 20:29:02	lemoi	it only gets worst from here. I'm using someone else's zsh config :(
2023-09-01 20:29:27	sensille	lsinitcpio: https://0x0.st/HpLk.txt
2023-09-01 20:30:00	susi	sensille: that's not Arch 
2023-09-01 20:30:29	susi	oh sorry, nvm that
2023-09-01 20:30:46	sensille	it's arch with boot and root on zfs
2023-09-01 20:31:29	lemoi	Namarrgon thank you again.
2023-09-01 20:33:50	Namarrgon	sensille: usr/lib/modules/6.4.12-arch1-1/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/intel/iwlwifi/iwlwifi.ko
2023-09-01 20:34:17	Namarrgon	either remove the module from the initramfs or make sure the required firmware is also present in the initramfs
2023-09-01 20:34:48	sensille	there is also a /etc/mkinitcpio.conf.original. i might have removed all the comments when i edited back then. is that what confuses you?
2023-09-01 20:34:52	susi	what is VERSION file in some of my initramfses?
2023-09-01 20:35:11	Namarrgon	sensille: you removed more than just the comments
2023-09-01 20:35:26	susi	in the very root of it, archinit/VERSION
2023-09-01 20:35:32	Namarrgon	what confuses me is that you don't know how your system is set up the way it is
2023-09-01 20:36:28	sensille	guilty as charged. i followed the instructions back then and never had a reason to dive into that specific part of the setup
2023-09-01 20:37:24	Namarrgon	since your mkinitcpio.conf is lacking the MODULES array the iwlwifi module is probably added by one of the HOOKS
2023-09-01 20:37:31	sensille	looks like i also removed "MODULES=()" and "BINARIES=()"
2023-09-01 20:38:07	mieeetek	hi
2023-09-01 20:38:20	sensille	Namarrgon: I see. thank you for the explanation
2023-09-01 20:38:41	susi	ah, VERSION is of mkinitcpio, and it's present in all of my initrds
2023-09-01 20:41:34	sensille	Namarrgon: and indeed, removing the module and reloading it yields a "wlo1" interface :)
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2023-09-01 21:03:28	markboston	i want to contribute a program to the aur how do i go about create a pkgbuild file?
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2023-09-01 21:04:41	gromit	markboston: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR_submission_guidelines, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_package_guidelines and https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Creating_packages
2023-09-01 21:04:44	phrik	Title: Arch package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-01 21:05:21	markboston	hmm lots of steps
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2023-09-01 21:43:34	gladteck_	paste !
2023-09-01 21:43:53	gladteck_	!paste
2023-09-01 21:43:54	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-09-01 21:49:55	cfoch	Hello. How can I fetch a specific release with vagrant? For example, I want to fetch the release of date 2023.08.01 as mentioned in https://archlinux.org/releng/releases/
2023-09-01 21:52:12	markboston	what do i need to put in for source in a pkgbuild file? the location of the src?
2023-09-01 21:53:01	another|	!give cfoch aw vagrant
2023-09-01 21:53:02	phrik	cfoch: Vagrant - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Vagrant
2023-09-01 21:53:38	another|	markboston: whatever sources you need for it
2023-09-01 21:54:10	another|	Can be local files, git repos, tarballs, ...
2023-09-01 21:55:00	markboston	so how to build the program? it doesn't seem like it requires any deps at least none i can tell other then base-devel
2023-09-01 21:55:05	markboston	i see
2023-09-01 21:56:15	another|	Read the build instructions?
2023-09-01 21:56:24	betabube	anyone running tailscale on arch? 
2023-09-01 21:56:33	another|	!anyone
2023-09-01 21:56:34	phrik	Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2023-09-01 21:57:30	markboston	another| it only had me run configure and make so i guess none
2023-09-01 21:57:36	gladteck_	hello im having trouble installing a couple of dependencies. https://bpa.st/raw/J6WJC
2023-09-01 21:58:54	betabube	another|: i know you came up with this and this is why i hate arch community
2023-09-01 21:59:06	betabube	another|: don't come with the teacher style arch way of telling people
2023-09-01 21:59:09	another|	gladteck_: Well, the error message pretty much tells you what to do
2023-09-01 21:59:18	markboston	you either have a conflicting file or you made changes to code that will be erased by updating or installing newer software
2023-09-01 21:59:24	betabube	another|: i'm just looking for other people with experiences with it, nothing more, also don't act like a superior arch user
2023-09-01 21:59:51	betabube	another|: pls learn the basics of interaction with people instead of using empathy-less commands
2023-09-01 22:00:04	betabube	because thats how that thing that arch community is toxic came up
2023-09-01 22:00:16	betabube	because actually arch community is very toxic when it comes to this things
2023-09-01 22:00:28	brjl	betabube: It was a redundant and senseless question. Learn to interact with people in IRC. Either you have something to say, or you should just stay quiet.
2023-09-01 22:00:33	gladteck_	another: ok but i dont know where the files are located to remove or move them
2023-09-01 22:00:38	markboston	don't ask to ask a question just ask it annoys people
2023-09-01 22:00:46	another|	betabube: first of all, calm down. 
2023-09-01 22:00:51	betabube	brjl: i didn't ask you, i didn't ask for help or anything, i just aked if anyone has used it, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it
2023-09-01 22:00:58	elg	TIL 1 person on IRC equals 1394 + forums + wherever else
2023-09-01 22:01:24	betabube	another|: pls stop that behvaviour, it harms the community and the impression arch gives, becausey you act like the arch user everyone complains about and everyone thinks bad about
2023-09-01 22:01:32	betabube	another|: superiority will get you nothing
2023-09-01 22:02:16	another|	.... Wat?
2023-09-01 22:02:56	sshine	i use arch btw
2023-09-01 22:02:58	brjl	gladteck_: What is it you're trying to do? Are you trying a clean build?
2023-09-01 22:03:07	betabube	!perv
2023-09-01 22:03:08	phrik	http://www.explosm.net/comics/2781/
2023-09-01 22:03:19	brjl	Because it looks you have conflicting patches
2023-09-01 22:03:31	betabube	i'm acting like an arch user now too, like a total badass telling everyone and teaching everyone i'm the superior arch user
2023-09-01 22:03:41	betabube	i'm totally badass now
2023-09-01 22:03:50	⚡ 	bswartz feels a ban coming
2023-09-01 22:03:53	brjl	Bets are off: How long will it take until betabube gets banned?
2023-09-01 22:03:56	betabube	if anyone asks something stupid, i'll come up with all kind of stupid ! commands that the bot will tell you
2023-09-01 22:04:02	betabube	!anyone brjl 
2023-09-01 22:04:02	phrik	betabube: Say what?
2023-09-01 22:04:12	gladteck_	i am trying to install these 2 dependencies, if i can clean build them then ok
2023-09-01 22:04:17	betabube	brjl: i'm already banned on offtopic, gonna get a new account anyway
2023-09-01 22:04:24	brjl	betabube: You're pathetic.
2023-09-01 22:04:28	betabube	brjl: because people abuse their powers
2023-09-01 22:04:33	betabube	brjl: i'm an arch user
2023-09-01 22:04:59	betabube	as an arch user, i like to treat other people like a bad ass because i'm supposed to act like this
2023-09-01 22:05:04	sshine	I'd upset people on the internet, too, if they were as interesting as computers. :)
2023-09-01 22:05:23	betabube	this irc channel is the most toxic channel i've ever been, no other FOSS channels is as toxic as this one
2023-09-01 22:05:57	sshine	it's the equivalent of "I'm not a vegetarian because I like animals, but because I hate plants", but instead "I'm not an anti-social programmer because I don't like people, but because I like upsetting compilers."
2023-09-01 22:05:59	brjl	gladteck_: I suppose those two dependencies are failing at different times, right? Where are you getting your packages?
2023-09-01 22:08:24	gladteck_	the best i can tell the packages are from is aur.archlinux.org
2023-09-01 22:08:59	cfoch	What's the equivalent to `/lib/modules/$(uname -r)` from Ubuntu in arch?
2023-09-01 22:09:49	gladteck_	and these errors were a result of doing a yay -Syu
2023-09-01 22:09:51	sshine	cfoch, the same?
2023-09-01 22:10:06	cfoch	$ ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)
2023-09-01 22:10:07	cfoch	ls: cannot access '/lib/modules/6.4.10-arch1-1': No such file or directory
2023-09-01 22:10:32	sshine	$ [ -d "/lib/modules/$(uname -r)" ] && echo yas
2023-09-01 22:10:33	sshine	yas
2023-09-01 22:10:44	markboston	gladteck_this is why its a bad idea to just blindly do things you don't know what your doing.
2023-09-01 22:10:46	bswartz	cfoch: Probably you upgraded your kernel and didn't reboot
2023-09-01 22:10:49	The-Compiler	cfoch: sounds like you upgraded to linux 6.4.12.arch1-1 but didn't reboot yet?
2023-09-01 22:11:36	bswartz	Arch deletes the kernel modules for the running kernel when you upgrade the kernel package, so rebooting is strongly recommended
2023-09-01 22:11:44	cfoch	I am using archlinux Vagrant image https://archlinux.org/download/
2023-09-01 22:11:45	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Downloads (at archlinux.org)
2023-09-01 22:12:04	cfoch	I have not updated the kernel myself.
2023-09-01 22:12:10	gladteck_	ok then, i'll reboot
2023-09-01 22:12:39	bswartz	If you run pacman -Suy, you should add an "--ignore linux"
2023-09-01 22:12:56	bswartz	At least if you don't plan to reboot soon
2023-09-01 22:13:04	cfoch	you are right
2023-09-01 22:13:19	cfoch	Is reboot needed at all? Can I avoid reboot?
2023-09-01 22:13:31	cfoch	oh, I see
2023-09-01 22:13:45	bswartz	You can avoid reboot by either not upgrading kernel or not ever needing to load more kernel modules
2023-09-01 22:13:51	Edu4rdSHL	cfoch, just use kernel-modules-hook 
2023-09-01 22:13:53	Edu4rdSHL	:)
2023-09-01 22:14:09	Edu4rdSHL	And you don't need to hold updates or care if a module was loaded or not
2023-09-01 22:14:25	bswartz	Edu4rdSHL: zomg I didn't know that existed
2023-09-01 22:15:20	cfoch	So, pacman -Syu updates the kernel... I always used that command to install packages without knowing it updated the kernel
2023-09-01 22:15:49	bswartz	It updates whatever it can
2023-09-01 22:15:51	Edu4rdSHL	pacman -Syu updates all packages with updates available in the repos.
2023-09-01 22:16:12	Edu4rdSHL	Reading the pacman wiki/manpage is a good way to start for you.
2023-09-01 22:18:11	markboston	cfoch pacman -Syu means install AND upgrade my system
2023-09-01 22:18:29	markboston	pacman -S means install whatever im asking
2023-09-01 22:19:22	markboston	where you get into trouble is if you do pacman -Sy that is bad thats installing and updating pacman database without actually upgrading your system
2023-09-01 22:19:36	markboston	so pacman would think theres are installed or updated that aren't
2023-09-01 22:19:39	markboston	bad times
2023-09-01 22:20:09	markboston	as i told the last person blindly typing in commands that you don't know what they  do is not a good idea
2023-09-01 22:20:44	markboston	educated yourself or stick with windows linux especially arch requires you know what your doing otherwise you can and will screw stuff up
2023-09-01 22:21:58	markboston	there's no handing holding here
2023-09-01 22:22:48	cfoch	Where can I find the .config of ArchLinux. I was expecting it to be on /boot/config-$(uname -r)/.config or in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/.config
2023-09-01 22:23:20	Namarrgon	/proc/config.gz
2023-09-01 22:24:06	Namarrgon	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/linux/-/blob/main/config?ref_type=heads
2023-09-01 22:24:07	phrik	Title: config · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / linux · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-09-01 22:24:57	Namarrgon	that is for the 'linux' kernel only, for the other kernels you have to check their repo
2023-09-01 22:25:27	cfoch	Why isn't it installed like other distros do?
2023-09-01 22:25:33	Namarrgon	what for?
2023-09-01 22:25:54	cfoch	So when compiling the kernel by hand it takes the default configuratiòn
2023-09-01 22:26:33	cfoch	So, it is not installed, and the only best way is to fetch it from Gitlab right?
2023-09-01 22:27:10	Namarrgon	one usually builds off of the arch config, which you get when you clone the PKGBUILD
2023-09-01 22:27:30	Namarrgon	in my fifty years of using arch you're the only person i remember asking for that
2023-09-01 22:27:36	markboston	because arch is better :P
2023-09-01 22:30:35	Namarrgon	linux-headers also ships a copy in /usr/lib/modules/$(uname-r)/build/.config
2023-09-01 22:31:16	astralc	fifty years of using arch?
2023-09-01 22:31:27	Namarrgon	roughly
2023-09-01 22:31:31	alad	astralc: hey you should respect senior citizens
2023-09-01 22:32:39	cfoch	I am reading Linux Kernel Programming and it tells to copy from /boot/...
2023-09-01 22:32:51	Namarrgon	that book is biased
2023-09-01 22:32:55	cfoch	but it was the case of Ubuntu
2023-09-01 22:33:00	cfoch	I want to use arch :-) 
2023-09-01 22:33:56	gladteck_	after rebooting and trying to upgrade these dependencies the errors still remain: https://bpa.st/raw/J6WJC
2023-09-01 22:34:19	Namarrgon	gladteck_: what is using qt5-webkit on your system?
2023-09-01 22:35:21	gladteck_	i dont know, i remved it and it wont let me reinstall it
2023-09-01 22:35:29	cfoch	It's strange anyway, because it tells to do `cp /boot/config-5.0.0-36-generic ${LLKD_KSRC}/.config` but it is compiling kernel 5.4
2023-09-01 22:35:51	Namarrgon	gladteck_: pacman -Qi qt5-webkit
2023-09-01 22:36:04	astralc	you can use older config with make oldconfig...
2023-09-01 22:37:01	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel#Compilation
2023-09-01 22:37:02	phrik	Title: Kernel - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-01 22:38:04	gladteck_	package qt5-webkit not found, i try to install it and get the error
2023-09-01 22:38:11	Namarrgon	why are you trying to install it?
2023-09-01 22:39:21	gladteck_	i was upgrading it with yay -Syu as it was a dependency for something
2023-09-01 22:39:28	Namarrgon	for what?
2023-09-01 22:39:36	Namarrgon	how did you remove it?
2023-09-01 22:43:39	gladteck_	when i got the upgrade error i removed yay -R qt5-webkit in hopes to reinstall it but got error reinstalling it
2023-09-01 22:44:00	Namarrgon	if nothing on your system requires it then there's no reason to install it
2023-09-01 22:49:59	Namarrgon	if you still want to continue reinstalling then follow git's instructions and clean up the working tree or nuke yay's cache completel
2023-09-01 22:50:03	Namarrgon	*completely
2023-09-01 22:57:42	gladteck_	would yay -Sc clear yhe yay cache?
2023-09-01 23:01:16	Namarrgon	i don't know, check the manual
2023-09-01 23:10:01	fixeria	gladteck_: it would first launch `pcaman -Sc` and after you respond yes/no to the confirmation, it ask you to confirm cleaning yay's own cache
2023-09-01 23:10:23	gladteck_	ok thanks
2023-09-01 23:10:33	macbethwin	hello dear heaps
2023-09-01 23:11:42	fixeria	heaps?  what about stacks? ;)
2023-09-01 23:22:18	markboston	can someone check out my pkgbuild and let me know the issue as to why its not doing anything? also im getting an error about failing integrity checks. https://bpa.st/DHERU
2023-09-01 23:22:19	phrik	Title: View paste DHERU (at bpa.st)
2023-09-01 23:23:41	gromit	markboston: isnt this a duplicate of https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/tintin? 
2023-09-01 23:23:43	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - tintin (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-09-01 23:24:06	markboston	oh
2023-09-01 23:24:09	markboston	weird
2023-09-01 23:24:19	markboston	when i looked i couldn't find it
2023-09-01 23:24:29	markboston	i found an outdated version from 2015
2023-09-01 23:24:57	markboston	idk what i searched for
2023-09-01 23:25:01	markboston	but thanks
2023-09-01 23:25:58	gromit	markboston: even then you should not submit a duplicate of the package to the aur
2023-09-01 23:26:16	markboston	im not
2023-09-01 23:26:45	markboston	idk how i missed that
2023-09-01 23:28:03	markboston	i see the issue
2023-09-01 23:28:16	markboston	its listed under tintin not tintin++
2023-09-01 23:37:26	macbethwin	hello heaps
2023-09-01 23:48:38	tb0n3	I'm currently using yay as an AUR helper util. Does anyone know if it, or others, allow altered PKGBUILDs when updating? I'm asking because I'm trying to keep mesa-git at staging because I'd prefer not to be on the bleeding edge, but 23.2 is required for my phoenix point apu to function correctly
2023-09-01 23:49:23	tb0n3	I suppose it'd just be easier to do a pkgignore
2023-09-01 23:49:53	Namarrgon	i don't know the answer to that but you could just rename $pkgname
2023-09-01 23:51:21	tb0n3	ah. So the installed package wouldn't relate directly to the one in the aur and ignore it's PKGBUILD update?
2023-09-01 23:51:28	Namarrgon	right
2023-09-01 23:51:51	chargen	hello heaps
2023-09-01 23:51:59	Namarrgon	the tradeoff is that you are now the maintainer and responsible for updates
2023-09-01 23:52:16	tb0n3	would that automatically submit it to the aur? I'm guessing not
2023-09-01 23:52:21	Namarrgon	no
2023-09-01 23:52:38	tb0n3	alright, that sounds decent
2023-09-01 23:52:41	tb0n3	thanks
2023-09-01 23:53:12	Namarrgon	clone the mesa-git repo, create a new branch for your "fork" and rename $pkgname there. when it's time to sync it up with aur/mesa-git you can rebase your branch
2023-09-01 23:54:17	Namarrgon	chargen: blink twice if you were abducted by slackware fanatics and need help
2023-09-01 23:57:19	bonob	that happens? abduction by slackware fanatics?
2023-09-01 23:57:55	mingdao	"Bob" Dodds has been known to do so.
2023-09-01 23:59:02	mingdao	The Church of the SubGenius has powerful persuasion.
2023-09-02 00:20:09	bonob	just looked at that, a dangerous bunch indeed..
2023-09-02 00:42:19	NoobAlice	!grab Namarrgon
2023-09-02 00:42:19	phrik	NoobAlice: Tada!
2023-09-02 01:41:32	digital_mystik	hello.. anyone having issues with serious slowdown on kernel 6.5 (framework 13 - Intel Alder Lake).. wonder if there are any patches floating around yet
2023-09-02 01:56:50	ursa	digital_mystik: digital_mystik: probably the new microarchitecture vulnerability fixes slowing it down
2023-09-02 01:57:06	ursa	disable it if you're not a VPS
2023-09-02 01:57:56	another|	right, there were a bunch of those again
2023-09-02 01:59:31	ursa	we must be at 20% of original performance by now, disable all the security and you get 100% back
2023-09-02 01:59:46	ursa	(for specific workflows)
2023-09-02 02:07:04	digital_mystik	ursa: sounds good, I'll look into it.. it isn't slight, it is veery noticeable lol
2023-09-02 02:07:14	digital_mystik	especially when building
2023-09-02 02:12:46	ursa	building is one of the workflows that is heavily slowed down
2023-09-02 02:20:27	digital_mystik	localmodconfig finally picks up the thunderbolt module now! it's the small victories heh
2023-09-02 03:14:05	topcat001	digital_mystik: I'm also curious about this. Does `mitigations=off` help?
2023-09-02 03:15:51	topcat001	I remember seeing a significant slowdown when IBRS landed. Fortunately Enhanced IBRS has mostly mitigated slowdown from that mitigation :-)
2023-09-02 03:17:12	topcat001	(hardware remains the same for the above)
2023-09-02 03:44:05	conr	susi, i got the tty to resize with `GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="video=<height>x<width"` on an amdgpu.
2023-09-02 04:39:01	mingdao	good job, conr 
2023-09-02 04:51:27	HumanLove	Hyprland hnaging after update?
2023-09-02 04:51:32	HumanLove	anyone have solution?
2023-09-02 04:55:00	edt	where does arch and/or systemd store the resume device and offset (I was using a swap file but create a swap partition but grep . /sys/power/resume* show the old and very invalid values)
2023-09-02 04:57:37	edt	tmpfiles.d/hibernate.conf
2023-09-02 08:12:07	public-static	hey, does anyone know if nocompress_extension=<whatever> overrides compress_extension=* when mounting F2FS partitions?
2023-09-02 09:52:18	⚡ 	floyd greets everyone 
2023-09-02 09:57:53	HumanLove	why hyprland is so slow
2023-09-02 09:58:15	HumanLove	i have 16gb ram gpu, alacritty wezterm giving issues
2023-09-02 09:58:20	HumanLove	slow loading
2023-09-02 09:58:57	HumanLove	#archlinux
2023-09-02 10:00:49	HumanLove	bad game
2023-09-02 10:01:05	HumanLove	ubuntu going to be on top
2023-09-02 10:01:22	HumanLove	no learnig curve 
2023-09-02 10:02:56	HumanLove	i end the seesion here, im leavning
2023-09-02 10:02:59	HumanLove	leaving
2023-09-02 10:03:22	fixeria	lol
2023-09-02 10:03:45	HumanLove	even windows is more than archlinux
2023-09-02 10:03:48	HumanLove	nerads
2023-09-02 10:05:54	public-static	nwah, please
2023-09-02 10:28:12	Furai	I need to figure out why xscreensaver keeps crashing my gnome login session.
2023-09-02 10:58:15	MrElendig	tl;dr don't use xscreensaver anymore
2023-09-02 10:58:32	MrElendig	the xfce one is an alternative
2023-09-02 10:59:01	MrElendig	but if all you want it for is locking, there are better tools out there
2023-09-02 11:16:43	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-02 11:27:02	bf_	andrewSC: can you maybe update the docker-compose package? thank you. https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/docker-compose/
2023-09-02 11:27:04	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - docker-compose 2.20.3-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
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2023-09-02 11:50:09	ChiefMooMoo	I'm continuing to scour Google, but can anyone here explain how to set my system clock to the Universal time?
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2023-09-02 11:50:55	ChiefMooMoo	perhaps I'll just set my timezone to UTC; the cmos time is configured for multiple OS's, so I don't want to go changing the hardware clock right now
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2023-09-02 11:52:25	MrElendig	ChiefMooMoo: man timedatectl
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2023-09-02 11:53:36	MrElendig	it points you at list-timezones, which amongst other things lists Etc/Universal
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2023-09-02 11:54:17	MrElendig	or Etc/UTC if you prefer
2023-09-02 11:54:48	MrElendig	(or without the Etc prefix, they all do the same)
2023-09-02 11:55:20	Ingar	ChiefMooMoo: if you dualboot windows, there's a registry hack you can use so it considers the hardware clock in UTC
2023-09-02 11:55:47	MrElendig	keeping the hardware clock in localtime is fine
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2023-09-02 11:56:22	Ingar	MrElendig: true, but isnt hardware clock in UTC the default on arch ?
2023-09-02 11:56:22	MrElendig	only issue can be at the dst crossing, but if you are sane and use (s)ntp that isn't a problem anyway
2023-09-02 11:56:26	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+o jelle] por ChanServ
2023-09-02 11:56:29	MrElendig	Ingar: no
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2023-09-02 11:56:47	Ingar	interesting
2023-09-02 11:57:16	susi	conr: so you finally read the wiki article I linked you thrice?
2023-09-02 11:57:31	MrElendig	Ingar: its your responsibility to configure it at install time
2023-09-02 11:58:27	MrElendig	(or rely on timedatectl autodetection)
2023-09-02 11:59:07	MrElendig	iirc if timedatectl sees that you set your timezone to eg CEST, and it sees that the rtc matches, it will automaticly assume rtc in localtime
2023-09-02 11:59:31	Ingar	ugh
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2023-09-02 12:00:04	MrElendig	(and will print a warning about it)
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2023-09-02 12:01:23	MrElendig	doesn't hurt to doublecheck of course
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2023-09-02 12:01:34	Ingar	RTC in local TZ: no :p
2023-09-02 12:01:38	Ingar	as it should
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2023-09-02 12:26:55	bf_	socat tcp-l:3000,fork,reuseaddr tcp:127.0.0.1:3000 does not work
2023-09-02 12:27:10	bf_	anybody has any idea how to make socat 127.0.0.1:3000 available on 0.0.0.0?
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2023-09-02 12:27:59	bf_	bind(5, {AF=2 0.0.0.0:3000}, 16): Address already in use
2023-09-02 12:28:22	bf_	LISTEN 0      4096       127.0.0.1:3000       0.0.0.0:*
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2023-09-02 12:30:34	rcf	bf_: you’d really need yo use a different port 
2023-09-02 12:30:43	bf_	is it really not possible?
2023-09-02 12:30:46	bf_	dang
2023-09-02 12:30:59	bf_	was wondering why socat doesnt have this option
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2023-09-02 12:31:34	bf_	maybe if I use the networked ip address instead?
2023-09-02 12:31:44	bf_	forward 10.0.2.15:3000 to 127.0.0.1:3000?
2023-09-02 12:31:49	rcf	bf_: It’s because using 0.0.0.0 will include localhost 
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2023-09-02 12:32:05	rcf	That would work, yes
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2023-09-02 12:32:40	bf_	thank you
2023-09-02 12:33:37	bf_	nice, works. thanks rcf!
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2023-09-02 12:36:39	bf_	anything easier than ip -4 addr | grep -oP '(?<=inet\s)\d+(\.\d+){3}' to just get ip addresses of the interfaces?
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2023-09-02 12:42:13	megumin	how to find out what happend with a file in git repo?
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2023-09-02 12:42:53	teraflops	bf_: ip -4 -j a | jq '.[].addr_info[].local'
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2023-09-02 12:44:08	jelle	megumin: git log, git blame
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2023-09-02 12:47:25	bf_	thx teraflops I dont have jq in that environment.  I'll stick with the grep..
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2023-09-02 12:50:23	Furai	MrElendig: I pretty much just used lcd scrubber from xsceensaver. And that would be the only thing that I really need.
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2023-09-02 13:04:33	zostj	when running 'bootctl install' for systemd-boot i'm getting ! Mount point /boot which backs the random seed file is word accessible, which is a security hole!! message and ! Random seed file /boot/loader/random-seed is world accessible, which is a security hole!! :(
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2023-09-02 13:05:17	Namarrgon	mount the ESP with a more restrictive umask if you want
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2023-09-02 13:06:11	zostj	it says fmask=0022, dmask=0022
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2023-09-02 13:06:23	zostj	i saw a forum post and someone says to change them to 0077
2023-09-02 13:06:35	zostj	i did that but still getting the same message when i run bootctl install
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2023-09-02 13:06:54	ariadnavigo	I've never had that problem
2023-09-02 13:07:01	zostj	ya this is a first for me too
2023-09-02 13:07:08	zostj	i'm doing a fresh install
2023-09-02 13:07:12	ariadnavigo	in fact my seed file is 755
2023-09-02 13:07:20	ariadnavigo	(being vfat that's 644 actually)
2023-09-02 13:08:37	ariadnavigo	zostj: but is it installed regardless?
2023-09-02 13:08:38	zostj	weird.... this laptop with the old arch install. the fstab has fmask=0022 and dmask=0022 same as the fstab that's in my desktop (which i'm installing the fresh install on)
2023-09-02 13:09:17	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-09-02 13:09:20	ariadnavigo	(I just ran 'bootctl' to check status and it isn't complaining about anything)
2023-09-02 13:09:26	zostj	says Created EFI boot entry 'Linux Boot Manager' 
2023-09-02 13:09:47	ariadnavigo	ok, if you run bootctl (no arguments) does it complain about anything?
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2023-09-02 13:10:23	zostj	ariadnavigo: it just list the information
2023-09-02 13:10:29	zostj	no errors/complaints
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2023-09-02 18:35:41	jpic	hi all! There is a problem with the gitlab server, in this pages it shows 1 branch with 1 open pull request https://gitlab.archlinux.org/jpic/libsecp256k1/-/branches but clicking on it leads to Page not found, also, I can't connect to my gitlab account anymore because it's requesting a one time code that I have not setup on this account, all help welcome :)
2023-09-02 18:35:43	phrik	Title: Branches · 1337 H4X0|2 / libsecp256k1 · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-02 18:36:24	Namarrgon	there shold be a button to pick another second factor instead of the one-time code
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2023-09-02 18:39:22	gromit	jpic: if you have lost access to your TOTP device also write an email to accountsupport@archlinux.org, there are established procedures to prove identity and restore access
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2023-09-02 18:40:37	gromit	jpic: aside from that it seems like the project has limited access to Merge Request to internal contributors, I also cannot see the MRs when logged in 
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2023-09-02 18:44:36	jpic	thanks for the heads up! so, the MR was up and there has been contributor activity since then, what should I do to encourage the maintainer to take a look and perhaps comment or merge?
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2023-09-02 19:19:36	gromit	jpic: Is there a feature request in the bugtracker already? Otherwise you can always email the maintainer
2023-09-02 19:20:32	dviola	why is perl pulling db and db5.3 as dependencies? shouldn't those be optional?
2023-09-02 19:22:38	gromit	dviola: there is a bug report already: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/78761
2023-09-02 19:22:39	phrik	Title: FS#78761 : [perl][db][db-5.3] Depend on only one db (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-02 19:28:41	fixeria	anybody running arch on lenovo legion?  would you recommend it?  (looking for a laptop to buy)
2023-09-02 19:28:49	dviola	gromit: right but why is db even a hard dependency? AFAIK perl doesn't need it?
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2023-09-02 19:30:04	dviola	Berkeley DB is ancient/unmaintained stuff and AFAIK apps are moving to sqlite and the like
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2023-09-02 19:31:24	jpic	gromit: yes, the maintainer has set it to low priority https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/78420 but this change is needed to support recent blockchain software
2023-09-02 19:31:26	phrik	Title: FS#78420 : [libsecp256k1] Fix blockchain python on Arch Linux (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-02 19:33:24	dviola	"recent blockchain software", as in bitcoin core?
2023-09-02 19:33:37	jpic	tezos in particular
2023-09-02 19:33:57	dviola	sigh
2023-09-02 19:34:14	jpic	but I suppose schnorrsig is used by a bunch now
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2023-09-02 19:34:45	dviola	bitcoin core supports sqlite nowadays, just convert your bdb to sqlite with `migratewallet' and dump Berkeley DB
2023-09-02 19:34:46	gromit	dviola: it is used in /usr/lib/perl5/5.38/core_perl/auto/DB_File/DB_File.so: libdb-5.3.so => /usr/lib/libdb-5.3.so (0x00007f3116621000)
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2023-09-02 19:37:12	gromit	jpic: no, one of the bug wranglers has set its severity .. They decide based on https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bug_reporting_guidelines#Severity and it fits here 
2023-09-02 19:37:13	phrik	Title: Bug reporting guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-02 19:39:28	jensen	my XPS 13 9360 with i5-8250U takes over 5 seconds to start Firefox on a fresh install (same experience in previous install), and a tolerable but noticeable delay of 1 second to open the terminal sometimes. Is this out of the norm? I see people still using e.g. Thinkpad X220 that's 2nd gen intel. i remember when the laptop was new it ran much better. Is this just typical modern software being
2023-09-02 19:39:31	jensen	less efficient or should I expect better performance with its NVMe drive as well?
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2023-09-02 19:40:24	jpic	gromit: I see, but the criteria list is not really adapted to libraries, since this is blocking some other packages that used to work in Arch, but don't anymore now that the new functions of the library need to be enabled with compile time configure flags, it already has two of them, we only need to add a couple more as we are upgrading versions to still have support for pytezos: 
2023-09-02 19:40:30	jpic	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/jpic/libsecp256k1/-/commit/103fc35a65d17848bfcf277bed0d8da27a1394f0
2023-09-02 19:40:31	phrik	Title: upgpkg: v0.3.1 (103fc35a) · Commits · 1337 H4X0|2 / libsecp256k1 · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-02 19:43:32	gromit	jpic: there are certainly some problems with the way you currently suggest implementing this: You version change would need an epoch and there shouldnt be a "v" in the version
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2023-09-02 19:51:04	susi	I can't decide if some of my scripts should exchange information via /tmp or /run, what do you think?
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2023-09-02 19:52:46	jpic	gromit: thanks for the fast review! this has been fixed by the maintainer https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/libsecp256k1/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads
2023-09-02 19:52:47	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / libsecp256k1 · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-02 19:55:42	gromit	jpic: so now only the options are missing? 
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2023-09-02 19:57:35	jpic	gromit: yes, the maintainer has an IRC channel so I've asked nicely there, perhaps that'll work :D
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2023-09-02 19:57:51	cfoch	Hello. What's the default user/password in archlinux (vagrant image distribution)?
2023-09-02 19:58:43	dviola	AFAIK arch pulls db5.3 for bitcoin-qt/bitcoind packages and bdb > 4.8 isn't even recommended by upstream, hence the --with-incompatible-bdb switch, they're migrating to sqlite and will dump Berkeley DB at some point
2023-09-02 20:00:41	jpic	cfoch: tried vagrant/vagrant by any chance?
2023-09-02 20:00:59	cfoch	you are right, amazing
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2023-09-02 20:02:57	jpic	cfoch: tried virt-lightning ?
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2023-09-02 20:09:48	B-|	https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Dark_mode_switching&diff=next&oldid=771879
2023-09-02 20:09:50	B-|	WHY
2023-09-02 20:09:51	phrik	Title: Dark mode switching: Difference between revisions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-02 20:09:53	B-|	where are they
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2023-09-02 20:27:14	fixeria	cfoch: running out of memory?  linker usually is RAM hungry, especially with LTO
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2023-09-02 20:27:32	fixeria	or running out of space maybe, so ssh cannot start
2023-09-02 20:28:39	cfoch	Now I see it exited because "Out of Memory: Killed process"
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2023-09-02 20:32:01	fixeria	so yeah, you need more RAM
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2023-09-02 20:44:40	dviola	is there a way to list reverse dependencies with pacman itself, something similar to what pactree provides
2023-09-02 20:45:04	gromit	dviola: why dont you use pactree? :)
2023-09-02 20:46:19	dviola	gromit: I do, just wondering
2023-09-02 20:47:01	dviola	pactree is the only thing I use from pacman-contrib these days, so if I can find a similar command...
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2023-09-02 20:55:30	Corbit	If certbot renews certificates, does it recognize an added wildcard option? Until now I issued a new one with: certbot certonly -d my-domain.de -d *.my-domain.de with option --manual because I have a auth-hook and cleanup-hook.
2023-09-02 20:57:31	susi	someone give me an example of `pacsort -f' usage?
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2023-09-02 21:07:06	dviola	Scimmia: thanks
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2023-09-02 21:22:07	mpan	sake: does the same as `pacsort`, but with package file names being present in input lines, not only versions.
2023-09-02 21:22:19	mpan	susi: ↑
2023-09-02 21:22:22	mpan	!tabfail
2023-09-02 21:22:23	phrik	 0  days since the last tab failure. Completion safety is our union goal!
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2023-09-02 21:22:58	mpan	susi: for example if you list files in your cache directory and want to sort them by version number.
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2023-09-02 21:28:21	susi	mpan: tried that, but it concatenated the contents of those binary files :O
2023-09-02 21:28:28	susi	that's why I'm so confused
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2023-09-02 21:32:38	mpan	susi: pacsort takes files containing lists of versions (of filenames with -f).
2023-09-02 21:33:26	mpan	The files in arguments are lists.
2023-09-02 21:33:48	mkoskar	susi: https://0x0.st/HpJl.png
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2023-09-02 21:34:44	mpan	susi: works like `sort`.
2023-09-02 21:34:46	susi	nice, thanks
2023-09-02 21:34:58	mpan	… just with ALPM versions.
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2023-09-02 21:35:39	aguitel	triyng to install arch on samsung 3 chromebook , what light desktop to try ?
2023-09-02 21:35:59	aguitel	no chrome os in there
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2023-09-03 13:26:12	demonicmaniac1	hmhm
2023-09-03 13:27:04	demonicmaniac1	for blender the issue is known but not really a fix yet until openshadinglanguage gets to llvm16 support
2023-09-03 13:27:29	demonicmaniac1	or you rebuild mesa with llvm15 >.>
2023-09-03 13:28:00	Nuc1eoN	MrElendig, look I cannot disable secure boot https://i.imgur.com/sG9rNIF.jpg I have now set an admin and user pw
2023-09-03 13:28:00	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-09-03 13:28:35	MrElendig	Nuc1eoN: disable fastboot, reboot and then try again
2023-09-03 13:28:53	Nuc1eoN	MrElendig, I did that, same thing
2023-09-03 13:29:08	MrElendig	r just set up sb 
2023-09-03 13:30:59	Nuc1eoN	MrElendig, hm found this https://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1050047/#:~:text=After%20entering%20the%20Advanced%20Mode,Disable%20to%20disable%20Secure%20Boot.
2023-09-03 13:31:00	phrik	Title: [Notebook/AIO] How to enable/disable Secure Boot | Official Support | ASUS Global (at www.asus.com)
2023-09-03 13:31:11	Nuc1eoN	Seems I need to disable "Secure boot control"
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2023-09-03 13:38:22	Nuc1eoN	MrElendig, that worked. Thank you for being of valuable help.
2023-09-03 13:40:03	susi	do we know if Asus laptops with Intel hardware and iGPUs are safe to import own keys and delete MS/Canonical?
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2023-09-03 13:44:43	MrElendig	susi: I would leave the ms keys in place
2023-09-03 13:44:52	MrElendig	but they are most likely safe
2023-09-03 13:45:12	MrElendig	(as long as you have good backups of your keys of course......)
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2023-09-03 13:46:37	MrElendig	keeping the ms keys avoids having to make your own custom install image for recover/reinstall/etc
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2023-09-03 13:49:23	susi	do we know what the Canonical key(s) are for?
2023-09-03 13:49:54	luna_	Ubuntu?
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2023-09-03 13:52:52	ville	demonicmaniac1: heh yeah. not going to go with that route. i used lfs long enough to have my share of building packages
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2023-09-03 14:02:15	dviola	speaking of LFS, I wonder how far one could go with LFS + pacman + PKGBUILD(s) from scratch before getting into the insane territory
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2023-09-03 14:28:06	susi	if it's about learning, I'd just go ahead without thinking it's sensibleness too much in advance
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2023-09-03 14:29:29	dviola	not just learning but maintaining it, I used to daily drive LFS back in 2003 but it never occurred to me at the time that I could slap a real package manager on top
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2023-09-03 15:03:31	MrElendig	vysn: https://pypa.github.io/pipx/how-pipx-works/
2023-09-03 15:03:31	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-09-03 15:03:32	phrik	Title: How pipx works - pipx (at pypa.github.io)
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2023-09-03 15:04:20	vysn	Thank you
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2023-09-03 15:05:02	zeratul	like I said this isn't a big thing so please forgive me for mentioning it and hurting your feelings
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2023-09-03 15:23:32	mrmonday	I have a tab that is repeatedly crashing in Firefox, but it's not showing up in `about:crashes`... how do I dig into it? I'd like to file a bug or check if there's an existing one, not really sure where to start though
2023-09-03 15:24:02	mrmonday	I haven't found a pattern to the crashing yet, but it happens fairly regularly
2023-09-03 15:25:16	susi	could you give a link to this site that's crashing the browser?
2023-09-03 15:28:22	susi	maybe run the debugger (ctrl-shift-i -> debugger tab), but using it to benefit requires knowledge
2023-09-03 15:29:38	susi	you can also set --MOZ_LOG (in addition to --MOZ_LOG_FILE) to something, info about the modules it can be given as an argument can be found online
2023-09-03 15:30:11	susi	if I were you, I'd start firefox from a shell to see what it outputs just before crash
2023-09-03 15:30:36	mrmonday	it doesn't crash the browser, just the tab
2023-09-03 15:30:54	dviola	mrmonday: any chances firefox got updated and you forgot to restart?
2023-09-03 15:30:58	susi	so the site running in that tab is faulty; still I'd run firefox from a shell to see its output
2023-09-03 15:31:01	mrmonday	I'd attach gdb and get a stack trace if I knew which of the thousand processes controlled that particular tab
2023-09-03 15:31:15	mrmonday	dviola: this happens across reboots
2023-09-03 15:31:15	susi	about:processes shows the PID
2023-09-03 15:33:16	mrmonday	thanks
2023-09-03 15:33:22	mrmonday	I'll run it from a shell and attach gdb to that process
2023-09-03 15:34:02	susi	actually, it doesn't seem to show the PID in about:processes
2023-09-03 15:35:17	susi	but you can press "profile all threads for this process", for a specific tab, from there, which could be helpful..
2023-09-03 15:38:48	mrmonday	found it - `about:memory`, click `Measure` and it shows up on the right
2023-09-03 15:39:39	astralc	susi: it shows PID - it is the number after the name
2023-09-03 15:44:20	mrmonday	cool, got some output for the crash
2023-09-03 15:44:45	mrmonday	gdb was useless, logs in the shell aren't great but are probably enough for a bug report
2023-09-03 15:46:18	susi	astralc: yeah, but if I try `ps -p' them, there's nothing
2023-09-03 15:46:26	susi	they also don't appear in `pidof firefox'
2023-09-03 15:46:42	susi	nor can I see those numbers reported in about:performance in /proc
2023-09-03 15:51:04	susi	I guess they're SPIDs then
2023-09-03 15:53:18	susi	or what are they.. I don't find them even in `ps -T -p `pidof firefox`'s output
2023-09-03 15:56:42	jdarnley	Can someone help me find a tool?  I know there are some things that can redirect file access from one directory to another, usually for xdg stuff or for video games, but my searches are going nowhere.
2023-09-03 15:58:06	mrmonday	thanks for the help all, managed to get enough out of it that I could report a somewhat useful bug report
2023-09-03 15:58:33	mrmonday	jdarnley: what is it you're trying to achieve?
2023-09-03 15:59:23	mrmonday	sounds like you might be looking for https://man.archlinux.org/man/ln.1.en ?
2023-09-03 15:59:23	jdarnley	Make a program that opens files in /path/to/a change to /other/path/elsewhere
2023-09-03 15:59:25	phrik	Title: ln(1) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2023-09-03 16:02:10	mrmonday	so you can do `ln -s /other/path/elsewhere /path/to/a`, then whenever a program attempts to go to /path/to/a it will end up at /other/path/elsewhere instead
2023-09-03 16:05:10	jdarnley	I was imagining a run-time thing.  Maybe I hallucinated this thing.
2023-09-03 16:12:52	[-_-]	Hi
2023-09-03 16:13:21	[-_-]	I can't execute a script even though I am the owner and it has execute permissions
2023-09-03 16:13:48	jdarnley	So what's the error message?
2023-09-03 16:14:03	[-_-]	http://ix.io/4Fhj
2023-09-03 16:14:15	[-_-]	windows_x64 is the file
2023-09-03 16:14:51	[-_-]	https://paste.rs/wyx5i
2023-09-03 16:15:03	[-_-]	permission denied
2023-09-03 16:15:13	polarian	chmod +x
2023-09-03 16:15:24	polarian	oh
2023-09-03 16:15:29	polarian	you have execute permissions
2023-09-03 16:15:32	[-_-]	yee
2023-09-03 16:15:43	polarian	its probably not an executable then 
2023-09-03 16:15:52	polarian	show the output of file windows_x64
2023-09-03 16:16:36	[-_-]	http://ix.io/4Fhl
2023-09-03 16:17:00	polarian	you need to be root to access qemu 
2023-09-03 16:17:03	polarian	iirc
2023-09-03 16:17:22	polarian	if you run sudo sh windows_x64
2023-09-03 16:17:24	polarian	it shoudl work 
2023-09-03 16:17:26	polarian	should*
2023-09-03 16:18:26	[-_-]	root can't execute it
2023-09-03 16:18:49	[-_-]	yup
2023-09-03 16:19:02	[-_-]	permission denied
2023-09-03 16:19:14	[-_-]	how is this possible?
2023-09-03 16:20:27	polarian	I am probably missing something here...
2023-09-03 16:20:45	[-_-]	me too, this should not be possible
2023-09-03 16:20:49	polarian	sudo su
2023-09-03 16:20:56	polarian	./windows_x64
2023-09-03 16:21:10	jdarnley	try: bash -x windows_x64
2023-09-03 16:21:16	jdarnley	then you can see how far it makes it
2023-09-03 16:21:25	jdarnley	not that there is much
2023-09-03 16:21:29	polarian	I got a feeling its still running the command as a non-root user 
2023-09-03 16:22:24	polarian	is it just me or is there more teens on Libera recently?
2023-09-03 16:22:32	polarian	*yes that is coming from someone who is 18*
2023-09-03 16:22:32	dviola	[-_-]: can you paste the qemu command here?
2023-09-03 16:22:46	polarian	no... don't paste it in chat... pastebin it 
2023-09-03 16:22:57	polarian	its already pastebinned... in one of the pastes above
2023-09-03 16:23:11	jdarnley	polarian: I don't ask people their age.  And if they say they hope to gain something.
2023-09-03 16:23:29	dviola	it should be a one liner, in most cases
2023-09-03 16:23:47	polarian	dviola: it is not a one liner 
2023-09-03 16:24:13	polarian	jdarnley: no need to ask mostly, it is quite obvious in a lot of cases... especially mine :
2023-09-03 16:24:14	polarian	:P
2023-09-03 16:24:31	[-_-]	jdarnley: http://sprunge.us/xMncL3?text
2023-09-03 16:24:33	elg	is this discord, am i lost
2023-09-03 16:24:39	dviola	QEMU shouldn't require root access unless you are trying to do hardware passthrough, etc
2023-09-03 16:24:45	polarian	elg: how would this be discord?
2023-09-03 16:25:03	[-_-]	I am not, there is something wrong, this never happend before
2023-09-03 16:25:09	polarian	ah yes your command is invalid 
2023-09-03 16:25:25	[-_-]	that doesn't prevent bash from executing it
2023-09-03 16:25:39	[-_-]	this is not the problem
2023-09-03 16:25:48	polarian	bash is executing it... it failed...
2023-09-03 16:26:03	polarian	dviola: or kvm?
2023-09-03 16:26:10	polarian	kernel access requires root does it not?
2023-09-03 16:26:18	polarian	or the kvm group
2023-09-03 16:27:13	dviola	polarian: I never need to root to -enable-kvm, but that could be some arch defaults put in place maybe?
2023-09-03 16:27:23	dviola	I am not on the kvm group either
2023-09-03 16:27:56	polarian	hm weird
2023-09-03 16:27:59	polarian	I thought you did 
2023-09-03 16:28:37	[-_-]	I found the issue, at least a fix
2023-09-03 16:28:43	[-_-]	but not the ideal one
2023-09-03 16:29:04	[-_-]	https://superuser.com/a/1452498
2023-09-03 16:29:06	phrik	Title: linux - Cannot execute script while its permission is 'x' - Super User (at superuser.com)
2023-09-03 16:29:12	[-_-]	the filesystem has noexec
2023-09-03 16:29:23	[-_-]	but in my fstab I have not set this option
2023-09-03 16:29:29	polarian	why would the filesystem have noexec
2023-09-03 16:29:32	[-_-]	but findmnt confirms this
2023-09-03 16:29:39	[-_-]	Idk, I did not set this
2023-09-03 16:30:18	dviola	polarian: I usually need to root to passthrough USB devices, e.g. qemu -device usb-host,hostdevice=/dev/bus/usb/003/007, but usually chowning those as my user allows me to continue using qemu as my user
2023-09-03 16:30:45	susi	me neither needs root to -enable-kvm; I'm in `video' and `wheel' groups
2023-09-03 16:32:58	dviola	s/chown/chmod/
2023-09-03 16:39:42	dviola	polarian: you're right, I just tried qemu on gentoo and requires being part of the kvm group, not sure what archlinux did not to require that
2023-09-03 16:40:06	polarian	dviola: probably adds you by default or something 
2023-09-03 16:40:12	polarian	might be worth asking one of the developers 
2023-09-03 16:40:22	polarian	or one of the experienced package maintainers
2023-09-03 16:41:25	polarian	ah the TU isn't here 
2023-09-03 16:41:51	polarian	You want to ask David Runge (dvzrv)
2023-09-03 16:42:04	polarian	dvzrv: oh you are here, for some reason weechat being weird
2023-09-03 16:42:20	polarian	sorry for the ping, but I believe you will know the answer for this considering you maintain the QEMU packages?
2023-09-03 16:44:34	nerdistmonk	so apparently archinstall is hardcoded to need the internet, thats nice, despite me having the sync/pkg folders from a complete installation it just refuses to run and protests because it can't connect to the mirrors.
2023-09-03 16:44:50	polarian	nerdistmonk: enjoy a manual install :)
2023-09-03 16:44:55	nerdistmonk	nah ill pass.
2023-09-03 16:44:59	polarian	nothing more calming than installing Arch manually 
2023-09-03 16:46:46	dviola	polarian: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/qemu/-/blob/main/65-kvm.rules?ref_type=heads
2023-09-03 16:46:47	phrik	Title: 65-kvm.rules · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / qemu · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-09-03 16:46:56	dviola	GROUP="kvm"
2023-09-03 16:47:05	dviola	maybe it's that?
2023-09-03 16:48:06	[-_-]	guys, I think the problem has been solved fully, the issue use the mount option "user" which implies "noexec,....."
2023-09-03 16:48:35	[-_-]	what is nosuid ?
2023-09-03 16:49:02	elg	!suid
2023-09-03 16:49:03	phrik	elg: No idea
2023-09-03 16:49:33	elg	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Security#SUID_and_SGID_files
2023-09-03 16:49:33	phrik	Title: Security - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-03 16:53:52	[-_-]	:o
2023-09-03 17:01:04	dvzrv	I think you should not require elevated privs for just running a VM using KVM
2023-09-03 17:02:02	dvzrv	but for specific networking purposes you'll need it (AFAIK)
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2023-09-03 18:05:08	stefanc_diff	I'm using i3wm with xorg. After the last update (yesterday) any gnome application that I launch takes a good 30s-40s to start. These used to start instantaneously before the update. Has anyone encountered this situation ?
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2023-09-03 18:09:43	gromit	stefanc_diff: yeah, for me the problem was having xdg-desktop-portal-gnome installed
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2023-09-03 18:41:19	farkenvoid	sudo mc
2023-09-03 18:42:44	mingdao	farkenvoid: Works for Me™ 
2023-09-03 18:42:52	farkenvoid	lol
2023-09-03 18:43:13	farkenvoid	sht happens, as long as it doesn't happen all the time
2023-09-03 18:43:13	mingdao	Now, just tell me what farkenvoid means.  :^)
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2023-09-03 18:43:24	farkenvoid	frustration with void
2023-09-03 18:43:25	mingdao	No worries.  I do that all the time ... PICNIC.
2023-09-03 18:43:38	mingdao	Well, any system running on runit...
2023-09-03 18:43:44	mingdao	Or is it ruin it?
2023-09-03 18:43:50	farkenvoid	ya
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2023-09-03 18:43:58	farkenvoid	it's different for sure
2023-09-03 18:44:26	mingdao	There were different things about VOID that some brainy folk told me that made me want to try it.  But...runit ended all that.
2023-09-03 18:45:03	farkenvoid	I have a vm with it now, for when my head gets too big
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2023-09-06 19:24:12	Scimmia	gromit: that's a loaded question
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2023-09-06 19:24:55	Scimmia	you'd have to define exactly what you want to check get an answer
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2023-09-06 19:25:54	demonicmaniac1	sounds to me like able to pick from testing without syu with testing enabled
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2023-09-06 19:26:24	demonicmaniac1	can't think of another reason why you'd need to know if deps exist in testing
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2023-09-06 19:28:50	Scimmia	or it could mean, is there something from testing installed that something is running against. Or it could be about what version a package is built against. Or about soname changes, missing symbols, missing versions, etc
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2023-09-06 19:35:26	jimr	there done
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2023-09-06 19:41:42	gromit	Scimmia: When looking through bugs on the bugtracker it would be good if I could tell if it is likely that there is a difference running testing or not 
2023-09-06 19:41:53	gromit	I am lazy too boot my non-testing vm ^^
2023-09-06 19:42:11	demonicmaniac1	Scimmia: fair
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2023-09-06 19:54:57	Scimmia	gromit: so you'd need pactree to get a list of all packages a package depends on and their deps, then you'd have to check that against the databases
2023-09-06 19:56:03	Scimmia	expac, maybe?
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2023-09-06 19:57:47	gromit	Scimmia: I see, I guess I'll whip out my scripting skillz ^^
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2023-09-06 19:58:38	Scimmia	so as for an easy way, it wouldn't be complicated, but it's not just 'run this command'
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2023-09-06 20:00:30	pulec	can I specify TERM for .desktop file? I got terminal=true and path to the binary, but it launches in x11term or what is it
2023-09-06 20:00:42	pulec	Exec=$TERM path no work
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2023-09-06 20:01:41	demonicmaniac1	Scimmia: gromit: maybe just comm pacman -Sl testing and pactree -lu?
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2023-09-06 20:06:00	feinedsquirrel	is LANG=C automatically available or do I need to enable it in my locale.gen?
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2023-09-06 20:10:05	Namarrgon	it is "built-in"
2023-09-06 20:10:16	Namarrgon	as is C.utf8
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2023-09-06 20:11:29	ℹ 	Dingbat es conocido ahora como dinglehopper
2023-09-06 20:11:34	feinedsquirrel	That is what I thought. Thanks for verifying!
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2023-09-06 20:15:11	xwu1	pulec: $TERM is a string describing a terminal type, not a terminal path (necesarily), and environment variables in .desktop files is not straightforward
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2023-09-06 20:16:07	pulec	right, soo full path to term then?
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2023-09-06 20:17:45	xwu1	right, write something like Exec=/usr/bin/<terminal> -e /usr/bin/<command> %U
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2023-09-06 20:19:03	pulec	that works, thanks, as normal alacritty -e $thistuithing works
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2023-09-06 20:19:16	pulec	but it spawns empty xterm next to it, eh
2023-09-06 20:19:50	pulec	I wouldn't bother with desktop file but dandels (oh, hi) says it's needed :D https://github.com/dandels/dmodman
2023-09-06 20:20:59	xwu1	you probably still have the line terminal=true
2023-09-06 20:21:04	pulec	oh right
2023-09-06 20:21:10	xwu1	i guess that opens xterm
2023-09-06 20:21:47	xwu1	i've had my issues with that option, i no longer bother anymore and remove it
2023-09-06 20:21:52	xwu1	even for TUIs
2023-09-06 20:22:26	pulec	cool
2023-09-06 20:22:50	pulec	now it works as expected, but too bad Exec=$(which $TERM) doesn't work
2023-09-06 20:23:01	pulec	I would like it to make it universal as .desktop file provided in PKGBUILD
2023-09-06 20:23:08	dandels	pulec: hi, what's happening? :D
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2023-09-06 20:23:39	pulec	dandels: figuring out what's best desktop file for your thing :-) thanks for fixing the issues today
2023-09-06 20:24:06	dandels	I think the download issue is related to files being reuploaded with the same hash but different id, I'm already verifying if my fix works properly
2023-09-06 20:24:21	pulec	https://0x0.st/Hfob.desktop I got this
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2023-09-06 20:24:38	pulec	great news
2023-09-06 20:25:11	pulec	have you thought about PKGBUILD? I am slowly writing "Creation Engine Games" wiki + Mod Organizer 2 and all that and I would like to include dmodman{AUR}
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2023-09-06 20:27:05	dandels	I don't have a lot of experience writing PKGBUILDs, but I suppose it'd be natural for me to do it so the PKGBUILD gets timely updates
2023-09-06 20:28:06	pulec	I have very few experiences, only editing PKGBUILD at most, but it could be copied from some other rust project and #archlinux-aur would scrutinize it
2023-09-06 20:28:27	dandels	good to know there's a channel for that
2023-09-06 20:28:59	pulec	provide .desktop file along and it can be nice and user friendly and you can add e.g. `aur sync dmodman` in your readme
2023-09-06 20:29:52	pulec	no official MO2 support for Starfield yet, so I am still about to work out the best practices with MO2 and all the modpacks for older games, it's gonna be PITA
2023-09-06 20:30:13	pulec	but I am optimistic about it
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2023-09-06 20:33:40	dandels	I've been frying my brain with OSRS and taking care of the toddler for the past month, very disorienting to suddenly return to programming and modding
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2023-09-06 20:35:19	pulec	uff, take your time, all of this can wait, priorities!
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2023-09-06 20:36:22	dandels	<3
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2023-09-06 20:57:40	ℹ 	riv es conocido ahora como river
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2023-09-07 18:46:14	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-09-07 18:46:14	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1380 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1379 regular)
2023-09-07 16:21:59	jclsn	Would be great if Darling could do this by now, but I guess this will take ages until it is mature enough
2023-09-07 16:22:23	NetSysFire	for a second i thought you were talking about a child
2023-09-07 16:24:52	jclsn	It kind of is and an abandoned one it seems
2023-09-07 16:25:35	jclsn	Oh no there are commit again
2023-09-07 16:48:06	mblenc	Hi, in having issues getting an Arch linux guest running at full resolution (1920x1080) under Hyper-V. Ive tried adding the `video=hyperv_fb:1920x1080` line to my kernel params, and have installed the hyperv package, but my guest is still stuck at some 10XXx7XX resolution
2023-09-07 16:49:28	mblenc	I have enabled the enchanced experience option in hyper-v manager, and followed the remaining steps from the arch wiki page: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Hyper-V
2023-09-07 16:49:29	phrik	Title: Hyper-V - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-07 16:51:40	Namarrgon	that page is probably very out of date
2023-09-07 16:56:07	mblenc	Do you know of a more recent source i can follow? Are there any troubleshooting methods i can try?
2023-09-07 16:59:18	Namarrgon	mblenc: are you using x11 or wayland on the guest?
2023-09-07 16:59:52	mblenc	Wayland, which makes vnc and rdp more difficult
2023-09-07 17:00:40	mblenc	Otherwise i think i would have just used an X11 rdp server and been done with it. But wayland makes that tricky :/
2023-09-07 17:01:01	Namarrgon	why are you using wayland then?
2023-09-07 17:05:28	mblenc	An excellent question. Because i wanted to try it instead of xorg for a change, and the current issue is nothing to do with the server anyway, no? If im not getting tge correct resolution in text mode, i doubt i will in graphical mode.
2023-09-07 17:05:53	mblenc	Unless the resolution issue is something to do with hyper-v and its built-in client
2023-09-07 17:05:56	Namarrgon	have you tried any x11 wm?
2023-09-07 17:06:06	mblenc	Ive used them in the past, yes
2023-09-07 17:06:22	Namarrgon	did you get the correct resolution to work there?
2023-09-07 17:06:30	mblenc	No
2023-09-07 17:06:38	mblenc	Not on this hyper-v setup
2023-09-07 17:07:28	mblenc	Ive used bare-metal linux machines in the past, but this is a windows work machine that ive been *heavily suggested* to not get linux on
2023-09-07 17:07:40	mblenc	Thus the messy workaround of hyper-v
2023-09-07 17:08:39	Namarrgon	i'd rather go with vmware or vbox then
2023-09-07 17:09:40	mblenc	Tried that and somehow had issues with performance (visibly worse than hyper-v) and resolution (despite setting max vram of 128 MB)
2023-09-07 17:09:45	mblenc	On vbox at leasy
2023-09-07 17:12:39	mblenc	Ah well, thank you for your time Namarragon. Maybe ill get it working soon with wayland, and if not ill just go the xrdp route
2023-09-07 17:13:08	mblenc	Maybe im missing some kernel parameter or need to configure something on the MS side
2023-09-07 17:14:14	Namarrgon	do smaller resolutions work if you specify them on the kernel cmdline?
2023-09-07 17:19:35	carbolymer	I have obsidian 1.3.7 installed from pacman, but how come obsidian --version shows me 1.4.5?
2023-09-07 17:20:45	carbolymer	everything in /usr/lib/obsidian is also from a month ago
2023-09-07 17:23:03	astralc	latest from pacman is 1.4.5
2023-09-07 17:23:49	carbolymer	seems that pacman provides just obsidian installer, and obsidian auto-updates itself
2023-09-07 17:24:09	carbolymer	astralc: I didn't install 1.4.5 
2023-09-07 17:25:53	Repentinus	Did you ever run `pacman -Syu`?
2023-09-07 17:26:04	astralc	is it install to somewhere in $HOME because no write permission?
2023-09-07 17:28:03	carbolymer	astralc: yes, it seems obsidian just autoupdates itself into .config/obsidian/obsidian-1.4.5.asar
2023-09-07 17:28:46	carbolymer	so if you installed obsidian through pacman, and enabled autoupdates, you have two obsidians in your system, and the one in $HOME takes precedence
2023-09-07 17:29:58	carbolymer	I guess that's a non-issue, but I was surprised about this
2023-09-07 17:31:05	carbolymer	also this seems like invalid usage of XDG_BASE_DIRs, .config shouldn't have executable blobs
2023-09-07 17:32:22	astralc	isn't asar not count as executable?
2023-09-07 17:32:32	astralc	it need the electron stuff to run
2023-09-07 17:34:18	astralc	but still, it is more for .local than config
2023-09-07 17:49:02	hao	hi, the iwctl `station wlan0 get-networks` 's output will refresh itself, but when inside alacritty, the refreshment cause the line jumps. I don't know how to describe it more accurately...
2023-09-07 17:50:21	hao	it's like, it flickers the output...
2023-09-07 17:52:14	hao	maybe something is wrong about font/display/dpi or whatever settings relating to terminal's output refreshment, I don't know where to check, hope someone understand what I'm saying
2023-09-07 18:01:32	mblenc	Namarrgon: Turns out that there exists a Virtual-1 device i should have been using instead of hyperv_fb ...
2023-09-07 18:05:30	lrustand	Yo, grub hangs after "Loading initial ramdisk...". Can someone help me figure this out? I have root on a mdadm raid0, and have added mdadm_udev to mkinitcpio as suggested here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/RAID#Installing_Arch_Linux_on_RAID
2023-09-07 18:05:31	phrik	Title: RAID - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-07 18:14:07	lrustand	What does it mean when grub just hangs without doing anything?
2023-09-07 18:20:29	lrustand	Okay, I disable 'quiet', and now I see the start of some systemd output as well, like four or five lines. The last line is ":: Triggering uevents..." 
2023-09-07 18:36:33	Namarrgon	lrustand: does the fallback initramfs boot beyond that?
2023-09-07 18:46:14	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-07 18:51:03	rcf	hao: presumably it’s a terminal escape sequence issue
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2023-09-07 19:36:44	lksa	Hi, how do I increase the resolution of the GRUB enter password to unlock /boot screen?
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2023-09-07 19:38:23	lksa	The boot menu is fine. Only the previous password prompt to unlock /boot is low resolution.
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2023-09-07 19:40:19	lrustand	Namarrgon: Seems nomodeset fixed it
2023-09-07 19:41:41	ℹ 	Dotz0cat_ es conocido ahora como Dotz0cat
2023-09-07 19:42:40	astralc	lksa: maybe https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB/Tips_and_tricks#Visual_configuration
2023-09-07 19:42:41	phrik	Title: GRUB/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-07 19:43:10	susi	why no one has broblems I could solve :( 
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2023-09-07 19:45:28	hao	what does "archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync" do? it keeps failing on my system, here is the log: https://bpa.st/5L5LO
2023-09-07 19:45:29	phrik	Title: View paste 5L5LO (at bpa.st)
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2023-09-07 19:50:19	hao	I found a related issue: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/archlinux-keyring/-/issues/202, it's closed, but I don't see how its fixed and mine is still failing
2023-09-07 19:50:19	susi	cat /bin/archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync; ... it's explained in the comments
2023-09-07 19:50:21	phrik	Title: Sign in · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-09-07 19:50:57	lksa	astralc: Will try, thanks.
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2023-09-07 19:53:30	susi	it's been fixed by fixin' the script; your issues are of different cause
2023-09-07 19:53:31	astralc	hao: are you updated?
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2023-09-07 19:56:07	hao	susi: thanks. astralc I have done a -Syu days ago, should I try update again now?
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2023-09-07 19:56:18	susi	probably
2023-09-07 19:56:30	susi	do: -Syu archlinux-keyring --needed
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2023-09-07 20:00:34	hao	I've done that successfully, restarted archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync, will see whether it fail again
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2023-09-07 20:02:55	hao	still failed after seconds of restarting: https://bpa.st/X6TNY
2023-09-07 20:02:56	phrik	Title: View paste X6TNY (at bpa.st)
2023-09-07 20:04:22	hao	how will the failing affect the system? if it's just a minor issue, I'll leave it alone
2023-09-07 20:04:30	susi	I'm no expert on this, but somehow I'd guess you may need to do this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Resetting_all_the_keys
2023-09-07 20:04:32	phrik	Title: pacman/Package signing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-07 20:04:43	susi	but wait until someone more knowledgeable comes into play and tells what's really the deal here
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2023-09-07 20:07:21	susi	the problem seems to concern just a few keys
2023-09-07 20:07:45	susi	so there's probably something to be done with `gpg' binary, if key-reset ain't wanted -- but as I said, I know nothing 
2023-09-07 20:07:57	jl2	Hi, I'm trying to set up repo-ck but I can't recieve the keys
2023-09-07 20:08:20	susi	iirc repo-ck is dead
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2023-09-07 20:08:45	susi	do youo have [repo-ck] \n Server = http://repo-ck.com/$arch in your pacman.conf?
2023-09-07 20:08:46	hao	thanks susi, I'll try what the link suggested.
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2023-09-07 20:09:27	jl2	well yes
2023-09-07 20:09:38	jl2	but this command doesn't work: 'pacman-key -r 5EE46C4C --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com && pacman-key --lsign-key 5EE46C4C'
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2023-09-07 20:09:58	jl2	It gives me this error:
2023-09-07 20:10:00	jl2	gpg: keyserver receive failed: No route to host
2023-09-07 20:10:00	jl2	==> ERROR: Remote key not fetched correctly from keyserver.
2023-09-07 20:10:28	susi	I guess you need to manually import the repo-ck keys
2023-09-07 20:10:44	susi	well, nvm that
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2023-09-07 21:09:15	susi	I have a tmpfiles.d/firefox-tmp, that has `d /tmp/mozilla 0600 me users -' -- I guess this should create such a dir on boot?
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2023-09-07 21:09:31	susi	not sure if I have somehow removed that dir, or why it ain't there...
2023-09-07 21:09:36	jimr	good afternoon
2023-09-07 21:09:43	v9fk	hi jimr
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2023-09-07 21:09:59	susi	hmm, maybe it needs to have a .conf ext
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2023-09-08 13:24:11	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-09-08 13:24:11	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1372 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1371 regular)
2023-09-07 22:16:16	Trel	I can't seem to search for any text in manpages that has dashes. (using / to search)
2023-09-07 22:16:50	Trel	Or at least when the text is bolded
2023-09-07 22:16:58	Trel	The letters match, but the - doesn't
2023-09-07 22:18:46	Trel	I can't reproduce it in every man page, but a bunch have the issue, an example is firejail-profile(5), the private-bin can't be searched because of the -.
2023-09-07 22:23:40	qsecofr	Trel: here it works. maybe your dash is some typographical special char? 
2023-09-07 22:23:56	Trel	Nope, the one in the manpage is though
2023-09-07 22:24:39	Trel	you were able to search for private-bin in its entirety?
2023-09-07 22:26:22	Trel	For reference, it's the man page I got with: firejail 0.9.72-1 from the repos
2023-09-07 22:30:18	Trel	qsecofr: first one is my typed one, second is copy pasted from when viewing the manpage https://termbin.com/do5w
2023-09-07 23:10:37	polarian	Does SELinux even make much of a difference?
2023-09-07 23:11:01	polarian	it seems to be like "who gives a fuck if you get pwned, SELinux will protect you" instead of "lets not get pwned!!"
2023-09-07 23:11:25	polarian	it seems so overrated I don't get why people are demanding all distros to adopt it 
2023-09-07 23:13:17	polarian	Unless I am wrong, all it does is provide stronger permission systems via MAC, and also tries to isolate each application.
2023-09-07 23:14:08	polarian	but apart from MAC, how does this differ... Arch packages already have privilege separation using sysusers for daemons and services
2023-09-07 23:15:55	Repentinus	SELinux policies can limit applications to specific paths for instance. So that your compromised web browser cannot just read your external password manager's password db and send it to the compromiser, for instance.
2023-09-07 23:16:23	polarian	Repentinus: the passwords should be encrypted in the first place!
2023-09-07 23:16:28	polarian	bad example
2023-09-07 23:17:33	polarian	secondly I was talking for server use... desktop use it might be useful... but I dont even use filesystem encryption on my laptop
2023-09-07 23:17:35	Repentinus	Fine. Your partner's nudes in your Signal archive.
2023-09-07 23:17:44	polarian	I dont use signal 
2023-09-07 23:17:50	polarian	nor do I send nudes
2023-09-07 23:18:38	polarian	hm I guess it has some use on desktop
2023-09-07 23:18:43	polarian	where you run almost everything as a single user
2023-09-07 23:18:54	Repentinus	It's also useful in server scenarios where compromise of a single web application should not lead to a compromise of other web applications running on the same server.
2023-09-07 23:19:27	polarian	I still think the benefit is marginal 
2023-09-07 23:19:43	polarian	and it adds a lot more complexity to systems 
2023-09-07 23:20:11	Repentinus	Nobody forces you to use it and the reason it is not deployed by default on most community distros is the fact that writing SELinux policies is a lot of work.
2023-09-07 23:20:26	qsecofr	Trel: just installed firejail, yes, the search works in that manpage as well. which terminal are you using?
2023-09-07 23:21:36	polarian	Repentinus: imo, if you are going to whine about security you shouldn't use linux...
2023-09-07 23:22:52	Repentinus	Amusing, considering that SELinux was pretty much written to enable NSA to enforce their requirements for handling classified data securely.
2023-09-07 23:23:37	Repentinus	Though Snowden proved they weren't particularly keen on writing restrictive security policies either. ^^
2023-09-07 23:23:37	polarian	I would go with OpenBSD 
2023-09-07 23:23:42	polarian	and I do for routing 
2023-09-07 23:24:52	polarian	I dont believe adding policies you *hope* will work if your software gets pwned, instead of cutting out the shit in the kernel and the software in the first place...
2023-09-07 23:25:31	polarian	Also most people just say use immutable OS, or flatpaks for desktop, not SELinux 
2023-09-07 23:25:38	polarian	its more convinient 
2023-09-07 23:25:47	Repentinus	Good luck fixing all the userspace software you use.
2023-09-07 23:26:24	Trel	qsecofr: konsole
2023-09-07 23:26:34	Trel	I got xterm handy, lemme try in that
2023-09-07 23:26:53	polarian	Repentinus: slapping in SELinux doesnt protect you fully 
2023-09-07 23:27:26	Trel	qsecofr: no difference in xterm
2023-09-07 23:27:36	polarian	thats what I dont get by SELinux folkes, you are so trusting in MAC that you thhink your systems are impenetrable
2023-09-07 23:27:37	Repentinus	Nothing short of pulling the plug does.
2023-09-07 23:27:51	Repentinus	No, it's called defence in depth.
2023-09-07 23:28:13	polarian	its called spending 2 years writing rules just to get pwned anyways
2023-09-07 23:28:42	polarian	and selinux is just permissions... that is why the "security enhanced" part is decieving, it makes almost no difference the kernel 
2023-09-07 23:28:54	polarian	so if the kernel is pwned, you are still fucked
2023-09-07 23:31:26	polarian	I dont see how writing rigid rules makes a huge difference...
2023-09-07 23:32:54	polarian	you could apparmor it 
2023-09-07 23:33:19	polarian	which is supported by arch linux (unlike selinux which is within the AUR)
2023-09-07 23:38:29	polarian	Repentinus: what about the performance impact of selinux?
2023-09-07 23:38:38	polarian	what about the fact you need to compile programs to support selinux?
2023-09-07 23:39:52	polarian	what about the fact it replaces all other security measures, and only listens to its own rules?
2023-09-07 23:41:55	jimr	when on my desktop install of archlinux, when i wake the computer up the mouse is invisible and the only way to make it visible is to press the windows key..as that an issue with mouse support and should i install gpm?
2023-09-07 23:42:25	jimr	or try to find drivers in the aur
2023-09-07 23:43:19	polarian	jimr: gpm is for tty support
2023-09-07 23:43:21	polarian	not for desktop
2023-09-07 23:43:28	jimr	ok
2023-09-07 23:43:53	jimr	its a stupid problem not that serious...just trying to find the answers on google lol
2023-09-07 23:43:54	polarian	and you would need to say what display server you are using 
2023-09-07 23:44:02	polarian	and what desktop environment (or window manager)
2023-09-07 23:44:34	jimr	cinnamon and im xorg
2023-09-07 23:44:56	polarian	after you press windows key does the cursor reappear and work as normal?
2023-09-07 23:45:49	jimr	yea
2023-09-07 23:47:22	polarian	I am not sure, could even be a feature... 
2023-09-07 23:47:33	polarian	it doesnt sound like a bug
2023-09-08 00:05:09	jimr	thinking of trying xmonad on the desktop too
2023-09-08 00:06:03	jimr	think i found a solution to the mouse problem ill find out in 15 minutes
2023-09-08 00:19:45	mingdao	jimr: You're really doing well!
2023-09-08 00:24:17	laird	\o/
2023-09-08 00:25:51	jimr	thanks
2023-09-08 00:52:07	polarian	mingdao: doing well how?
2023-09-08 00:52:09	polarian	I am confused 
2023-09-08 00:52:15	polarian	am I missing something?
2023-09-08 01:28:51	polarian	I found Foxboron on reddit O.O
2023-09-08 01:29:11	MortimerHoughton	where isn't foxboron
2023-09-08 01:29:28	MortimerHoughton	> Foxboron is omnipresent, and with us, in our hearts
2023-09-08 02:12:01	Kab1r	Is there an irc channel that has notifications for when packages are updated and/or releases?
2023-09-08 02:12:31	MortimerHoughton	Not a channel, but there is an rss feed
2023-09-08 02:13:08	Kab1r	Oh right! I totally forgot I use that feed for seeding isos
2023-09-08 02:13:18	MortimerHoughton	https://archlinux.org/feeds/packages/
2023-09-08 02:13:19	phrik	Title: Arch Linux: Recent package updatesbemenu-x11 0.6.16-1 x86_64bemenu-wayland 0.6.16-1 x86_64bemenu-ncurses 0.6.16-1 x86_64bemenu 0.6.16-1 x86_64neochat 23.08.0-4 x86_64python-debugpy 1.7.0-1 x86_64dos2unix 7.5.1-1 x86_64tamarin-prover 1.8.0-1 x86_64haskell-tamarin-prover-utils 1.8.0-1 x86_64haskell-tamarin-prover-theory 1.8.0-1 x86_64haskell-tamarin-prover-term 1.8.0-1
2023-09-08 02:13:19	phrik	x86_64haskell-tamarin-prover-sapic 1.8.0-1 x86_64haskell- (1 more message)
2023-09-08 02:14:43	MortimerHoughton	If you don't want the firehose, there are also feeds for various repos as well
2023-09-08 02:15:09	Kab1r	I really only need the kernel 
2023-09-08 02:15:58	MortimerHoughton	I don't know if you can just follow one package, although I don't know why not.  But  in the meantime, I would follow core or core-testing for the kernel
2023-09-08 02:19:35	MortimerHoughton	Kab1r: here's a full list of the feeds: https://archlinux.org/feeds/
2023-09-08 02:19:36	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - RSS Feeds (at archlinux.org)
2023-09-08 04:02:02	brjl	Well I tried. But wayland is just not working properly with this gpu
2023-09-08 04:02:16	brjl	Flickering like hell. Maybe next year :p
2023-09-08 04:13:37	slondr	maybe next decade lol
2023-09-08 04:28:43	eigar	So ... this is perhaps a #bash question, but wondering, as I never experienced this on ubu: When I run an interactive bash script and do changes to the script while it is running I get all sort of (weird) errors when I exit said script. Have not read up on it, but from earlier it was as "The script I run is the script that is parsed on execution" - if the script is changed during the process's
2023-09-08 04:28:45	eigar	lifetime it does not change the environment of the ran script.
2023-09-08 04:30:19	eigar	Find it weird and a potential foobar if scripts are re-read after start.
2023-09-08 04:43:44	espresso	eigar: perhaps they are read on-the-fly.. you can avoid those errors by either not doing that (heh), or putting your code into a function
2023-09-08 04:45:06	mpan	eigar: bash reads data from a file descriptor in sequence, so changes to the script are reflected in what it sees (see input.c in sources, if you want to go down the rabbit hole). However, this is an implementation detail and can’t be relied upon.
2023-09-08 04:47:42	mpan	It can break things, but can’t reliably be used to construct anything. Also note that what you as a human perceive as “file change” is not necessarily a change to an opened file contents, which may distort your interpretation of the results.
2023-09-08 04:48:06	eigar	mpan: OK. Thanks. That sound strange, kind of, as from what I have read (IIRC) earlier a script should not be re-read due to security issues.
2023-09-08 04:48:32	eigar	It's years since I read on this, so I might be wrong.
2023-09-08 04:50:10	mpan	eigar: it is not re-read AFAIK. It is just read. For the first time.
2023-09-08 04:52:35	mpan	Either way, if you want the details, follow `bash_input.location` variable starting from what happens to it in “input.c”. I myself was investigating $long_time_ago, so I no longer remember the details and basically got used to accepting that you do not modify the script while it runs (with a note about “modify” may be of different meaning to the computer and to the human).
2023-09-08 05:05:01	eigar	mpan: Thanks. I never afai recall encountered this on Ubuntu but it is perhaps some underlying artefacts on how it is loaded into memory. From what I read now it seems it is not something to trust. (Not that I'd ever, but have not experienced the faults as of now). Perhaps some buffer limit on shell scripts that is lower on Arch. Have to dig further to find anything about the sec issue ~ but
2023-09-08 05:05:03	eigar	from what I read from a quick search it does not seem to be a thing.
2023-09-08 07:11:45	Elodin	holy cow, idk what happened. I migraded my system from btrfs to etx4, i basically installed the whole system again and installed the packages based on the archwiki hardware migration. But in order to open gui apps the system is EXTRA slow
2023-09-08 07:12:16	Elodin	it takes like 30 seconds to open something like gnome-disks
2023-09-08 07:12:59	Elodin	how can i debug what's going on?
2023-09-08 07:13:47	Elodin	it seems to be gtk related
2023-09-08 07:15:16	mpan	Elodin: “like 30 seconds” or closer to exactly one minute? Is it slow as in sluggish while an application is being opend, or is it slow as in application is seemingly not starting for some time or completely not reacting? After that, does it work normally?
2023-09-08 07:16:11	Elodin	mpan: sorry for bad description it justs hangs without any indication of the app being opened up until it's opened and it works normally after
2023-09-08 07:16:49	mpan	See in journal if, at the time the situation occurs, you do not have any entries indicating timeouts while waiting for/connecting to something.
2023-09-08 07:28:10	Trel	Is there any software that makes pleasant visuals, other than xscreensaver and its various mods, and really slick screensavers.  Those two I already know of
2023-09-08 07:29:19	grawity	tons of it, find a demoscene archive
2023-09-08 07:30:33	Elodin	mpan: https://termbin.com/epi0 this is the error i guess now i can google a bit
2023-09-08 07:30:37	grawity	https://www.pouet.net/ most of it needs Wine I guess
2023-09-08 07:30:39	phrik	Title: pouët.net :: your online demoscene resource (at www.pouet.net)
2023-09-08 07:31:12	BrainDamage	you could also try some music visaulizaation software
2023-09-08 07:31:36	Trel	I'll take a look, but I was asking here in the hopes of maybe something that was in the repos already, or if not, definitely for Linux natively
2023-09-08 07:31:54	llua	Elodin: replace xdg-desktop-portal-gnome with xdg-desktop-portal-gtk
2023-09-08 07:32:17	Trel	I suppose I could do that and run it muted @BrainDamage
2023-09-08 07:33:21	mpan	Elodin: see <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_Desktop_Portal#Installation>
2023-09-08 07:33:23	phrik	Title: XDG Desktop Portal - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-08 08:38:41	Mat1010	Someone pass the content of the general clipboard of the terminal with keyboard shortcut?
2023-09-08 08:40:43	Mat1010	the objective is to do without the mouse
2023-09-08 08:41:41	Mat1010	It is not critical but it bothers more than one
2023-09-08 08:45:22	mkoskar	Mat1010: Shift-Insert for primary selection, well that's the generic X thing which should work in all windows, otherwise it depends on your terminal emulator, i.e., you need to configure some keybinding for it, if it's possible at all
2023-09-08 08:45:25	Mat1010	I don't want to click on the mouse and paste
2023-09-08 08:46:14	Mat1010	What is the clipboard path in arch linux?
2023-09-08 08:46:36	mkoskar	are you using X?
2023-09-08 08:46:45	Mat1010	yes
2023-09-08 08:47:04	mkoskar	there's no "clipboard path", that terminology doesn't make sense
2023-09-08 08:47:27	mkoskar	what terminal emulator are you using?
2023-09-08 08:48:04	Mat1010	moment
2023-09-08 08:49:04	Mat1010	xterm-256color
2023-09-08 08:49:24	Mat1010	could be
2023-09-08 08:49:26	mkoskar	that's TERM variable but really what program do you start
2023-09-08 08:49:42	Mat1010	moment
2023-09-08 08:51:11	Mat1010	Xfce terminal emulator
2023-09-08 08:52:30	mkoskar	ok, hmm, does Shift-Insert works? that should insert so called "primary selection" so the thing you last selected with a mouse (usually)
2023-09-08 08:52:35	mkoskar	*work
2023-09-08 08:53:03	Mat1010	I try and then I write.
2023-09-08 08:53:22	mkoskar	sometimes that's enough ... because people use clipboard managers that sync primary selection <-> clipboard
2023-09-08 08:55:42	Mat1010	It doesn't matter. However it is not written for now
2023-09-08 08:56:59	Mat1010	But the clipboard must have a directory. Everything has a directory in Linux, right?
2023-09-08 08:58:44	mkoskar	hmm, not sure what that means, anyway just tried to explain difference, point is shift-insert works almost globally pasting primary selection, for pasting clipboard you have to configure your terminal do do it, idk how xfce terminal does it, I assume setting some dconf variable ┐(ツ)┌
2023-09-08 08:59:32	mkoskar	no directory or file, you can query it by `xsel` or `xclip` etc
2023-09-08 09:01:10	Mat1010	Thank you.
2023-09-08 09:02:37	brocellous	"everything is a file" is um, extremely wrong. You should forget that aphorism asap.
2023-09-08 09:06:46	brocellous	"some things that are not literally data have a name in the vfs, and most of those are only acted on by ioctls rather than read/write so don't really resemble files anyway except for sockets I guess but they have their own syscalls too"
2023-09-08 09:06:52	brocellous	there, almost as catchy
2023-09-08 09:09:06	brocellous	"lots of things are file descriptors" maybe, but still not even close to "everything"
2023-09-08 09:24:52	jpic	hi all, i'm a bit confused by the new error when running pip install, why is it that we can't install with --user (which is default when running pip as non-root) anymore? it would install packages in ~/.local, but fails because "error: externally-managed-environment"
2023-09-08 09:25:20	jpic	using pip to install in ~/.local would not break system site packages, despite the error message
2023-09-08 09:37:03	jpic	also, the message recommending to use pacman -S python-xyz is completely misleading, I don't beleive we maintain PKGBUILDs for all the packages on pypi.org, what about packages distributed in tarballs ..
2023-09-08 09:37:44	jpic	I just tried with one of my packages that has millions downloads and indeed it's not found with pacman -S python-xyz
2023-09-08 10:04:13	colo	NetworkManager re-generates /etc/resolv.conf for me, but I would like it to always use systemd-resolved instead. what do I need to do to make that happen?
2023-09-08 10:05:54	Khorne	colo, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NetworkManager#systemd-resolved
2023-09-08 10:05:56	phrik	Title: NetworkManager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-08 10:08:11	colo	Khorne: thanks
2023-09-08 10:13:24	Gagis	jpic, I believe thats a broad python recommendation to use virtual environments to avoid conflicts. pip on ubuntu says the same thing, and probably on other distros too
2023-09-08 11:09:54	zipper	Is it necessary to reboot after an update?
2023-09-08 11:13:25	jtbx	zipper: if you want to use the new updated kernel/modules, then yes. most of the time you *can* avoid it, so no it's not necessary but generally speaking you should restart after an update
2023-09-08 11:15:46	⚡ 	jtbx is surprised
2023-09-08 11:27:07	zipper	If I got an answer to my question I didn't see it becuase I went offline so I will ask again
2023-09-08 11:27:09	zipper	Is it necessary to reboot after an update?
2023-09-08 11:27:35	jtbx	zipper: if you want to use the new updated kernel/modules, then yes. most of the time you *can* avoid it, so no it's not necessary but generally speaking you should restart after an update
2023-09-08 11:30:17	zipper	jtbx: thanks sir
2023-09-08 12:52:27	Namarrgon	jpic: --user does break your user's python packages when the system's packages get updated
2023-09-08 12:52:47	Namarrgon	it also break "system tools" when they are run by your user
2023-09-08 12:54:36	Namarrgon	you can disable the new warning in pip.conf and yolo it like before
2023-09-08 13:09:36	jpic	all right, thanks for the heads up!
2023-09-08 13:24:11	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-08 17:41:36	bionade24	Seems to fail for the Archwiki example cmd, too. So do have to enable something extra for source files?
2023-09-08 17:47:25	brjl	Well... My experience with Wayland+Nvidia last night was... Less than suboptimal
2023-09-08 17:47:58	brjl	Either I stuck with X11 until the end of times, or I switch to an AMD GPU
2023-09-08 17:48:09	brjl	s/stuck/stick
2023-09-08 17:52:53	Tom^	brjl: yeah its been broken a very long time now, nvidia havent even figured out how to get vulkan working without crashing with various Xid errors years
2023-09-08 17:53:09	Tom^	*for years
2023-09-08 17:54:03	brjl	Huh. Luckily enough I haven't had much trouble with vulkan
2023-09-08 17:54:19	brjl	Much less with DXVK
2023-09-08 17:55:35	brjl	But I think I'll need to get an AMD GPU inevitably. I wanted something with the same TDP and performance as a GTX20/3060
2023-09-08 17:55:42	Tom^	brjl: https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/multiple-cuda-rtx-vulkan-application-crashing-with-xid-13-109-errors/235459 , both dxvk and vkd3d keeps piling up nvidia disablements of various vulkan extension to not die
2023-09-08 17:55:44	phrik	Title: Multiple CUDA/RTX/Vulkan application crashing with Xid (13,109) errors - Linux - NVIDIA Developer Forums (at forums.developer.nvidia.com)
2023-09-08 17:55:51	brjl	But these vbenchmark websites are all shit
2023-09-08 17:56:07	Tom^	so really nvidia is closer and closer reaching parity of how good fglrx was back in the day imo :P
2023-09-08 17:56:20	brjl	Tom^: Oh wow that is absolute dogshit
2023-09-08 17:57:43	brjl	Tom^: What are you rocking? Do you use it to game?
2023-09-08 17:58:02	Tom^	laptop with an cezanne or ryzen 5800h cpu and a nvidia 3060 dgpu
2023-09-08 17:58:05	Tom^	so yeah a bit of gaming
2023-09-08 17:58:39	Tom^	but yeah ive concluded from the past 2 years of owning this. never nvidia again
2023-09-08 17:58:41	Tom^	ever :P
2023-09-08 17:59:13	brjl	hmmm I wanna do an upgrade. This wednesday I went from an R3 4100 to an R5 5500
2023-09-08 17:59:31	brjl	Now all I need is a decent GPU to not look at upgrading this for a year or so
2023-09-08 18:03:21	gromit	bionade24: no that should work as is, the wiki example just does not work because zstd has been updated I guess
2023-09-08 18:03:28	gromit	try i.e. debuginfod-find source /usr/bin/zstd /usr/src/debug/zstd/zstd-1.5.5/programs/fileio.c
2023-09-08 18:04:10	bionade24	gromit: Ok thx, may you please try the cmd I provided ?
2023-09-08 18:05:28	gromit	bionade24: doesnt work, how did you obtain the used buildid? 
2023-09-08 18:06:48	bionade24	gromit: With the readelf cmd out of the manpage from debuginfod-find
2023-09-08 18:07:03	gromit	bionade24: whats the path of the binary? 
2023-09-08 18:07:49	bionade24	gromit: readelf -n /usr/lib/qt/plugins/kf5/sonnet/sonnet_aspell.so | grep -A4 build.id
2023-09-08 18:16:52	gromit	bionade24: So I have never used the debuginfod service manually, but you can also get the sources via debug package: https://europe.mirror.pkgbuild.com/extra-debug/os/x86_64/sonnet-debug-5.109.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
2023-09-08 18:17:39	gromit	Apart from that I think the problem is that the build ID does not include the exact file you are looking for or something like this since the build id seems to be specific per binary / lib
2023-09-08 18:18:06	gromit	bionade24: what are you doing btw? Usually gdb downloads the needed sources for you 
2023-09-08 18:21:18	bionade24	gromit: I strongly belive something is misconfigured. The matching cpp file in .cache/debuginfod is empty
2023-09-08 18:27:28	gromit	bionade24: Sure that can always be ... But why are you looking for these sources? 
2023-09-08 18:31:21	gromit	bionade24: the build id is 1b6c5fc399231af37a418b8c0fd937bc8384c3d6
2023-09-08 18:34:47	bionade24	gromit: Thx, your id works. I guess I should have looked for the appropirate shared obj?
2023-09-08 18:35:30	gromit	bionade24: exactly, I found it out by brute forcing it xD pacman -Qql sonnet| grep -e "\.so" | xargs -i debuginfod-find source {} /usr/src/debug/sonnet/sonnet-5.109.0/src/ui/spellcheckdecorator.cpp 
2023-09-08 18:35:43	gromit	bionade24: still you havent answered my question why you are doing all that
2023-09-08 18:36:20	bionade24	gromit: Debugging a segfault. Thought it's a simple nullpointer issue in a crappy badly maintained AUR prog, but actually the problem is in sonnet, which triggers some QObject methods on destruction.
2023-09-08 18:36:47	bionade24	And below that in glibc a memory reordering assertion fails.
2023-09-08 18:37:15	gromit	bionade24: but why dont you use gdb's debuginfod integration? 
2023-09-08 18:37:45	gromit	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debugging/Getting_traces#Debuginfod
2023-09-08 18:37:47	phrik	Title: Debugging/Getting traces - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-08 18:38:27	bionade24	gromit: I did, but the like I sad the debuginfod pulled the info but the source .cpp file was empty.
2023-09-08 18:38:50	gromit	oh thats not good hmm
2023-09-08 18:39:05	gromit	tbh I am not sure where you could open a bug about this ^^
2023-09-08 18:40:17	bionade24	gromit: Well, I can't do it on the gitlab, so bugs.archlinux.org might the only accesible place for me?
2023-09-08 18:42:49	bionade24	gromit: Ignore ^, I believed debuginfod is an Arch thing until now
2023-09-08 18:43:18	gromit	bionade24: still I am not sure whether this is a bug with our setup or an upstream bug
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2023-09-08 21:19:57	citizen	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages?K=chatgpt muahaahhahahah dint know this
2023-09-08 21:19:57	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - Packages (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-08 21:22:03	mefistofeles	maybe even malicious software
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2023-09-08 22:52:56	Edu4rdSHL	!give upstart welcome
2023-09-08 22:52:57	phrik	upstart: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2023-09-08 22:53:28	upstart	i didn't
2023-09-08 22:53:31	upstart	just hanging out
2023-09-08 22:54:49	upstart	peanut butter
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2023-09-08 22:57:35	baltazar	hi! there's a wifi network that I can't connect to with wpa_supplicant, but it works perfectly with iwd (using both through networkmanager). any ideas?
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2023-09-08 23:04:53	Edu4rdSHL	Use iwd
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2023-09-08 23:09:49	sshine	http://pastie.org/p/5hxgVW8Z18K95YDgOIw1KA -- I'm trying to get audio working, but `pacmd list-cards` only lists "HDA NVidia", it appears like audio via HDMI. but I clearly have a speaker on my laptop :P
2023-09-08 23:09:51	phrik	Title: Pastie (at pastie.org)
2023-09-08 23:11:18	sshine	I tried `pacmd set-card-profile 0 output:hdmi-stereo` as well as run pavucontrol, and it seems like I have that one card. but no sound comes out. I wonder if I am missing a kernel module.
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2023-09-08 23:11:53	Namarrgon	have you checked the kernel log for errors?
2023-09-08 23:12:11	Namarrgon	maybe you need to install firmware for the internal chipset
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2023-09-08 23:12:38	Namarrgon	baltazar: what errors does wpa_supplicant give you when you attempt to connect to it?
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2023-09-08 23:14:26	sshine	I'm looking through `dmesg` and seeing: sof-audio-pci-intel-tgl 0000:00:1f.3: error: sof firmware file is missing, you might need to download it from https://github.com/thesofproject/sof-bin/
2023-09-08 23:14:35	Namarrgon	there you go
2023-09-08 23:14:41	sshine	thanks :)
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2023-09-08 23:18:29	baltazar	Namarrgon: this is basically everything: http://0x0.st/HfBl.txt
2023-09-08 23:19:39	Namarrgon	did you manually enable either the iwd or wpa_supplicant service?
2023-09-08 23:20:00	baltazar	nope
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2023-09-08 23:22:21	ℹ 	TheCatCollective es conocido ahora como CalculusCat
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2023-09-08 23:24:20	Namarrgon	can you connect to it using wpa_supplicant manually?
2023-09-08 23:24:32	baltazar	can try
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2023-09-08 23:35:51	⚡ 	cloudowind greets everyone
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2023-09-08 23:42:07	baltazar	Namarrgon: same result (tried through wpa_cli): http://0x0.st/HfBk.txt
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2023-09-08 23:44:27	baltazar	apparently it manages to authenticate, but not associate (whatever that means :P)
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2023-09-08 23:44:35	ℹ 	CalculusCat es conocido ahora como TheCatCollective
2023-09-08 23:45:46	baltazar	and also it's just with this one network... it has worked fine everywhere, but with this one only iwd works
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2023-09-08 23:47:05	baltazar	I guess I'm fine with using iwd, though the man page & the wiki said networkmanager's support is experimental
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2023-09-08 23:51:20	julie_pilgrim	!git
2023-09-08 23:51:20	phrik	https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2
2023-09-08 23:51:30	julie_pilgrim	wrong channel whoops
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2023-09-09 19:28:01	amosbird	Hi. When updating system, why do pacman sometimes rename /etc/iproute2/rt_tables to /etc/iproute2/rt_tables.pacsave ? Is there anyway to avoid that? It invalidates my route tables
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2023-09-09 19:32:55	gromit	amosbird: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Pacnew_and_Pacsave#Why_these_files_are_created
2023-09-09 19:32:56	phrik	Title: pacman/Pacnew and Pacsave - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-09 19:34:41	fleefie	Hey there ! I was told that this is the support channel :eyes:
2023-09-09 19:35:07	fleefie	If that's the case, would anyone here be kind enough to help me debug an issue on my install ?
2023-09-09 19:35:18	astralc	it will rename to pacsave if the package owning it is removed. did you removed iproute2?
2023-09-09 19:35:22	Namarrgon	fleefie: describe the issue
2023-09-09 19:35:47	susi	fleefie: I know nothing about your issue, so hard to tell....
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2023-09-09 19:36:05	teraflops	amosbird: can't you use /etc/iproute2/rt_tables.d folder and drop snippets there?
2023-09-09 19:36:19	kurtosis	amosbird:  what did you install that provides an '/etc/iproute2' directory?  bash: cd: /etc/iproute2/: No such file or directory
2023-09-09 19:36:34	amosbird	kurtosis: Hmm, I'm not sure
2023-09-09 19:36:44	amosbird	teraflops: Ah, ok
2023-09-09 19:37:05	fleefie	Hey, I was just making sure that it was appropriate to talk about that here. It's about Qt apps, seems that most of them segfault on launch. I'd get a render glyph failed error, before segfaulting. I'm not even sure which logs to provide, the terminal output only tells me that it may be a font rendering issue, but I don't even know where to look
2023-09-09 19:37:40	Namarrgon	fleefie: start with the terminal output
2023-09-09 19:37:40	gromit	fleefie: I would guess you installed some qt-thingy via the aur and thats causing the issue 
2023-09-09 19:38:08	fleefie	oops, wrong thing, sorry, I don't know how to use IRC well yet.
2023-09-09 19:38:24	fleefie	I heard that qt5ct may be the issue, I removed it and reinstalled every qt package to no avail.
2023-09-09 19:38:55	fleefie	!paste
2023-09-09 19:38:55	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2023-09-09 19:40:17	fleefie	Here's what the average crash looks like : https://paste.rs/kZv5r.txt . Every crash seems to follow this pattern.
2023-09-09 19:40:19	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
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2023-09-09 19:41:14	fleefie	Some apps segfault on launch, some run fine (using Konversation perfectly right now), some segfault during use (Krita only segfaults when opening a file). This is such a weird issue that I don't even know where to look, really
2023-09-09 19:41:35	Namarrgon	that warning points at a gtk themeing issue but i don't think that is related
2023-09-09 19:41:49	Namarrgon	can you create a clean, new user account and try there?
2023-09-09 19:42:06	fleefie	will do, give me a second
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2023-09-09 19:43:50	susi	>Konversation terminated! ... rip
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2023-09-09 19:47:35	susi	fleefie: how your settings.ini looks like?
2023-09-09 19:47:36	fleefie	Just came back from testing a new user account. My issue seems to be the same, same logs, same segfaults at the same conditions for each bit of software affected
2023-09-09 19:47:46	susi	do you have first key on the same line as [Settings], or other [key]?
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2023-09-09 19:48:26	Namarrgon	do you have any other foreign packages besides qt5ct?
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2023-09-09 19:49:19	susi	or maybe incorrect gtk-icon-sizes entry
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2023-09-09 19:51:26	fleefie	Okay, I fixed up my settings.ini, still segfaults. I had the GTK theme set here without the [Setting] key, it's fixed now. Though, it only contains my theme config.
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2023-09-09 19:51:43	fleefie	It's just [Settings] followed by gtk-theme-name
2023-09-09 19:52:46	fleefie	As for the foreign packages, here's every AUR package installed https://paste.rs/KJJHO.txt . Seems like a font issue, so maybe the font packages are relevant, mainly thinking of freetype2-infinality-remix ?
2023-09-09 19:52:48	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
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2023-09-09 19:53:52	Namarrgon	have you tried the stock freetype2 package?
2023-09-09 19:54:06	Namarrgon	and/or the stock gtk3 one
2023-09-09 19:54:23	fleefie	I'll try that, one second
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2023-09-09 19:56:42	fleefie	Well, I feel really dumb now. Replacing my packages to use stock freetype2 fixed the issue. Can't believe that it was something so simple, guess I'll report the issue to the maintainer, and thanks for the help :)
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2023-09-09 19:58:06	fleefie	Oh, and the git repo itself warns against using that package. Well, that's a lesson well-learned.
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2023-09-09 20:14:15	FieryM2-	I'm having issues with pacstrap during installation. It fails at "creating temporary files". I can't give the exact error because I'm using Mint as a last resort at the moment but I remember it was complaining about colord and running systemd-tmpfiles --create inside a chroot didn't fix it, it just errored out again. This has never happened before; I've installed Arch successfully on this laptop
2023-09-09 20:14:15	FieryM2-	many times before, and this is very perplexing. Any help 
2023-09-09 20:14:15	FieryM2-	is appreciated
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2023-09-09 20:14:50	Namarrgon	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/79619
2023-09-09 20:14:52	phrik	Title: FS#79619 : [systemd] 20-systemd-sysusers.hook fails to execute on a fresh system (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-09-09 20:15:08	FieryM2-	Namarrgon: Is that for me? /genq
2023-09-09 20:15:13	Namarrgon	yes
2023-09-09 20:15:16	FieryM2-	ty
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2023-09-09 20:16:35	river	systemdont
2023-09-09 20:16:38	FieryM2-	Namarrgon: So I just downgrade systemd? Thanks! /g
2023-09-09 20:16:53	Namarrgon	no but you should read the comments
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2023-09-09 20:16:59	archetech	I just ran into that bug
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2023-09-09 20:17:35	archetech	I let it create the sysd files on first boot
2023-09-09 20:17:51	FieryM2-	Namarrgon: That
2023-09-09 20:17:57	FieryM2-	is what the comments said
2023-09-09 20:18:04	FieryM2-	 /nm
2023-09-09 20:18:06	FieryM2-	sorry
2023-09-09 20:18:13	FieryM2-	pressed enter too early
2023-09-09 20:18:20	FieryM2-	not angry at you ^^
2023-09-09 20:18:40	FieryM2-	archetech: So I can ignore that for now?
2023-09-09 20:18:58	archetech	yeah finsh the install steps as normal
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2023-09-09 20:19:11	FieryM2-	perfect, thanks
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2023-09-09 20:19:16	archetech	w
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2023-09-09 20:20:28	archetech	I stop in for a visit they put me to work ;p
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2023-09-09 21:56:28	tkna	Someone on the Arch Linux forum used the term "TGN." Probably something to do with "troll," but what does it stand for?
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2023-09-09 22:30:40	jdarnley	I'm not sure if there is a better place but...  Why does wireguard (wg-quick) on a server keep adding "Endpoint" to every peer?
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2023-09-09 22:32:40	jdarnley	More to the point if I actually move is the connection going to work?
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2023-09-09 22:45:21	another|	add where?
2023-09-09 22:45:51	jdarnley	to the config file
2023-09-09 22:46:17	another|	got SaveConfig on?
2023-09-09 22:46:27	jdarnley	yes
2023-09-09 22:46:46	another|	there you go
2023-09-09 22:46:56	jdarnley	More to the point if I actually move is the connection going to work?
2023-09-09 22:47:32	another|	as long as one end can reach the other, sure
2023-09-09 22:47:34	another|	auto roaming
2023-09-09 22:48:17	tkna	astralc: Oh I see. Maybe that means it's not meant to be a discussion, or a thread that has lost its purpose.
2023-09-09 22:48:36	jdarnley	right thanks
2023-09-09 22:49:06	jdarnley	It isn't like a whitelist?
2023-09-09 22:49:29	another|	no
2023-09-09 22:49:35	jdarnley	thanks agin
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2023-09-10 02:57:21	Renfield	!paste
2023-09-10 02:57:21	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-09-10 05:53:42	genji	Hello all, is anyone able to help me install an older version of nordvpn-bin from AUR
2023-09-10 05:54:13	genji	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nordvpn-bin
2023-09-10 05:54:14	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - nordvpn-bin (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-09-10 05:54:43	genji	Is there a way to download old versions?  Something is wrong with the new ones for users who are using it as a gateway
2023-09-10 05:59:38	Megver83	genji: git-clone and then checkout to an older commit with the previous version you want to install
2023-09-10 06:01:18	genji	Sorry I'm not totally sure what that means, and thank you for responding!
2023-09-10 06:01:20	genji	I am a newbie
2023-09-10 06:01:32	genji	I have "yay"
2023-09-10 06:01:38	genji	but I do not like this latest version of the bin
2023-09-10 06:02:19	Megver83	genji: as a recommendation, learn git https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Git
2023-09-10 06:02:20	phrik	Title: Git - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-10 06:02:49	genji	Oh, okay.  Thanks, I can take a look.  I used 'yay' to install it thus far I believe
2023-09-10 06:02:56	Megver83	genji: install it, then run `git clone https://aur.archlinux.org/nordvpn-bin.git` and cd it
2023-09-10 06:03:27	Megver83	inside the dir, look at the previous commits with `git log`
2023-09-10 06:03:56	Megver83	you should see the same as in the git web https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/log/?h=nordvpn-bin
2023-09-10 06:04:01	phrik	Title: aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-09-10 06:15:45	genji	Cloning into 'nordvpn-bin'...
2023-09-10 06:16:53	genji	Thank you, I did this command, and then 'git log' and it indeed shows a variety of entries
2023-09-10 06:17:07	genji	commit e01bd1fc828c1452f754d444b602ead60c3e8963
2023-09-10 06:17:13	genji	    Update to 3.10.0-1
2023-09-10 06:17:19	genji	How may I try this one,  to start, for example?
2023-09-10 06:17:26	genji	I plan to work my way up and find when exactly gateway breaks
2023-09-10 06:21:23	gehidore	should look into bisecting
2023-09-10 06:43:49	genji	I did `yay -R nordvpn-bin`
2023-09-10 06:43:53	genji	and pressed yes to confirm
2023-09-10 06:44:09	genji	It is now uninstalled.  And I am looking for help on how to install an older version.  Thank you!
2023-09-10 06:44:28	genji	How do I install 3.10.0 ?
2023-09-10 07:10:53	altivec	is there a currently most-recommended way to rebuild teh entire system 
2023-09-10 07:23:23	novns	yes. the most recommended way is to avoid doing this
2023-09-10 07:23:37	altivec	well
2023-09-10 07:24:11	altivec	i have been running into issues wehre some software wont' launch because of shared library files that are missing, becuase those apps are linked to specific version of the shared lib which ahve been upgraded
2023-09-10 07:24:19	altivec	and clean building those packages corrects the issue
2023-09-10 07:24:35	altivec	i'm not sure when or how this issue started. i have fixed it for everything that i have noticed so far
2023-09-10 07:25:10	altivec	ie. had to rebuild an AUR program because it was linked to an older libboost, had to rebuild firefox because it was linked to an old harfbuzz
2023-09-10 07:25:40	novns	did you build firefox?
2023-09-10 07:26:14	novns	one that come from the package is ok
2023-09-10 07:26:17	altivec	to be honest, i'm not sure 
2023-09-10 07:26:23	altivec	its extra/firefox
2023-09-10 07:26:32	altivec	i have not ever had to get very deep into the arch pkg/build system 
2023-09-10 07:26:51	altivec	but i use the 'yay' utility to do updates
2023-09-10 07:27:09	novns	extra/firefox is ok
2023-09-10 07:27:31	altivec	and how i fixed these issues was running 'yay firefox' and if it asked if i wnated to cleanbuild (the other pkg was an AUR pkg so it definitely did) i said yes
2023-09-10 07:27:36	novns	it works and has no problems with libraries
2023-09-10 07:28:09	altivec	it may have been, now that i think of it, that the libs firefox was needing were completely missing and i had to isntall them explicitly
2023-09-10 07:28:12	altivec	again, i'm not sure how that happened
2023-09-10 07:28:43	novns	uninstall it and all libraries you build yourself
2023-09-10 07:28:55	novns	and then install it again from extra
2023-09-10 07:29:01	altivec	but ff is working now again
2023-09-10 07:29:09	novns	ok then
2023-09-10 07:29:11	altivec	i have not built anything that wasn't avaiable in a mainline 
2023-09-10 07:29:46	altivec	i'm just trying to make sure the system is in a good state before i leave for a week becuase i won't be able to fetch pkgs if something is broken that i haven't noticed heh
2023-09-10 07:29:53	novns	all things from AUR are yours, you can rebuild just them
2023-09-10 07:30:04	novns	but not the entire system
2023-09-10 07:30:30	altivec	ok, i guess (outing myself as a noob here) i didn't realize that I was using static packages
2023-09-10 07:30:55	altivec	i used to be really into build systems and such when i ran gentoo and freebsd
2023-09-10 07:31:08	altivec	now i just use the damn computer 
2023-09-10 07:31:29	novns	gentoo has its tools to check broken shared libraries
2023-09-10 07:32:10	altivec	so i never really got an understanding of how this distro worked under the hood. i've never run into any issues with it and needed to learn 
2023-09-10 07:33:26	altivec	so ... something from a static package source like extra/ should not have issues if a lib dependency changes versioN? 
2023-09-10 07:33:36	altivec	doesn't get statically linked during install or something? 
2023-09-10 07:35:05	genji	Sorry shoot my znc disconnected , apologies if it looks like I'm repeating
2023-09-10 07:35:15	genji	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nordvpn-bin
2023-09-10 07:35:17	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - nordvpn-bin (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-09-10 07:35:43	genji	I am trying to download legacy versions
2023-09-10 07:37:49	novns	altivec, when a library changes it's .so version they update dependent packages too
2023-09-10 07:38:56	novns	altivec, and if they don't - you can fill a bug report, and they do then
2023-09-10 07:39:23	altivec	novns: hm, okay. so peraps i just ran into a race condition or somehow a 'yay' upgrade didnt' finish and left me in a strange state
2023-09-10 07:39:51	altivec	i only have a handufl of aur packages (per 'pacman -Qm') -- all these programs are working fine
2023-09-10 07:40:14	altivec	and 'pacman -Dk' shows no database erors which i believe indicates i don't have any installed pkgs which have unmet dependencies
2023-09-10 07:40:21	altivec	so maybe the system is in a good state now and i have nothing to worry about
2023-09-10 07:44:38	ryzenda	I'm going to install archlinux on a laptop I just bought for my mother. She is a beginner though, and I'm curious about preparing the laptop to be beginner friendly. Does Archlinux have any snapshot things?
2023-09-10 07:48:03	novns	ryzenda, btrfs file system can do snapshots, but it's less reliable than ext4
2023-09-10 07:49:34	novns	ryzenda, the easiest way is to make backups regularly to a network drive or to some cloud service like dropbox
2023-09-10 07:49:47	ryzenda	yeah, I tried learning by reading about btrfs, zfs, ceph and whatnot, but I'm comfortable to stick with ext4 for now.
2023-09-10 07:50:31	ryzenda	I'm thinking about possibly installing Archlinux twice on the laptop, one for system recovery in case it might be helpful
2023-09-10 07:51:43	novns	there are some user-friendly backup things, but I just use rsync daily with incremental copies and 30 days of history
2023-09-10 07:54:05	novns	(I don't use it myself, it runs automatically)
2023-09-10 07:55:20	ryzenda	I got a few accessories for my mom's laptop also, two 500gb portable ssd drives, so she can use those for backups probably.
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2023-09-10 08:07:39	paulf	any recommendations for disk size for a VirtualBox install?
2023-09-10 08:08:44	paulf	I'm only planning on ssh connection and using stuff like autotools gcc to fix this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474332
2023-09-10 08:08:48	phrik	Title: 474332 – aligned_alloc under Valgrind returns nullptr when alignment is not a multiple of sizeof(void *) (at bugs.kde.org)
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2023-09-10 08:15:03	ryzenda	alternatively to flashing an archlinux iso image to usb drive, are there any concerns about using Ventoy that I should consider so as to prefer archlinux image directly rather than indirectly through Ventoy?
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2023-09-10 09:19:37	trumee	Hello. I am doing a new install of archlinux on a laptop and grub is failing to install, https://paste.rs/C975G.txt
2023-09-10 09:19:39	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-09-10 09:19:54	trumee	efibootmgr: option requires an argument -- 'd'
2023-09-10 09:20:01	trumee	What does this mean?
2023-09-10 09:22:50	trumee	never mind. The efi was not set right.
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2023-09-10 10:16:09	paulf	useradd group users does not exist
2023-09-10 10:17:57	paulf	will try just root, no user
2023-09-10 10:25:38	nl6720	paulf: it's a systemd bug https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/79619 you need to wait until systemd 254.3-1 land in core
2023-09-10 10:25:39	phrik	Title: FS#79619 : [systemd] 20-systemd-sysusers.hook fails to execute on a fresh system (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-10 11:36:28	paulf	what package for ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 debuginfo?
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2023-09-10 11:40:37	nl6720	paulf: since ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 is in glibc, then most likely the debug symbols are in glibc-debug
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2023-09-10 13:38:41	sunyibo	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#Configuring_the_boot_loader_2 where do I set this?
2023-09-10 13:38:42	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Encrypting an entire system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-10 13:45:57	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-09-10 13:47:25	nl6720	!give sunyibo aw kernel parameters
2023-09-10 13:47:27	phrik	sunyibo: Kernel parameters - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_parameters
2023-09-10 13:47:30	ℹ 	andyrtr_ es conocido ahora como andyrtr
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2023-09-10 13:47:39	crazyheadpills	 hi patrons.
2023-09-10 13:47:51	crazyheadpills	MrElendig, still working on the lolcat cowsay.
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2023-09-10 15:03:39	mingdao	https://0x0.st/Hf9N.txt
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2023-09-10 15:08:56	susi	mingdao: but try this: /bin/repo-elephant
2023-09-10 15:10:06	mingdao	susi: Why? /bin/repo-elephant -> repo-add
2023-09-10 15:10:19	susi	mingdao: but do you dare to run it, repo-elephant
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2023-09-10 15:11:30	mingdao	susi: No need for repo-elephant on this LAN.
2023-09-10 15:11:37	susi	mingdao: ...
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2023-09-10 15:15:34	susi	mingdao: it displays ascii art
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2023-09-10 15:18:12	mingdao	susi: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 
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2023-09-10 15:19:09	susi	mingdao: https://0x0.st/Hf9q.txt
2023-09-10 15:20:58	mingdao	susi: That's cute, but it's no lolcat.
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2023-09-10 18:41:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
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2023-09-10 18:40:46	ShalokShalom	hi there
2023-09-10 18:41:01	ShalokShalom	is there some mechanism, that notifies me, if a package moves out of a repo?
2023-09-10 18:41:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-09-10 18:42:49	ShalokShalom	like, the package networkmanager-fortisslvpn just moved out of extra, and I would like to find a way, to get notified, when something happens again
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2023-09-10 18:47:18	mpan	ShalokShalom: no. You may periodically search for foreign packages with `pacman -Qm`.
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2023-09-10 18:48:32	susi	this sounds like a potential issue for some people, that may use fringe packages
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2023-09-10 18:58:25	rcf	ShalokShalom: certain AUR helpers will notify of this, I believe. 
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2023-09-10 19:14:03	ShalokShalom	I care about a private repo, and we do like to prevent, that our dependencies just disappear
2023-09-10 19:14:03	ShalokShalom	Or that we at least recognize this, before the user does
2023-09-10 19:14:03	mingdao	yay will notify you ... -> Flagged Out Of Date AUR Packages: brave-bin  getmail6
2023-09-10 19:14:03	ShalokShalom	Yeah, when they are flagged
2023-09-10 19:14:03	ShalokShalom	>  the package networkmanager-fortisslvpn just moved out of extra
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2023-09-10 19:14:03	lavaball	how would i go about it if i wanted to play tomb raider from 96 with 3dfx. well, not 3dfx per se but not the block graphics. is this open-lara any good? should i wine it? 
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2023-09-10 19:14:03	ShalokShalom	open lara has improvements over the old engine
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2023-09-10 19:29:45	lavaball	ShalokShalom, git / bin / libretro .. git ? any recommendations?
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2023-09-10 19:29:45	ShalokShalom	They have no release since 4 years
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2023-09-10 19:29:45	ShalokShalom	So I would try he git version
2023-09-10 19:29:45	ShalokShalom	*the
2023-09-10 19:29:45	lavaball	okay. will do.
2023-09-10 19:29:45	lavaball	thanks a bunch.
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2023-09-10 19:29:45	ShalokShalom	thanks a lot
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2023-09-10 19:29:45	vardo	Hello. I could not upgrade the system due to this conflict: error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
2023-09-10 19:29:45	vardo	:: installing perl (5.38.0-1) breaks dependency 'perl<5.37' required by perl-io-interface
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2023-09-10 19:29:45	vardo	What is the correct way to deal with this? Remove perl-io-interface?
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2023-09-10 19:29:45	Namarrgon	why is it installed?
2023-09-10 19:29:45	rcf	vardo: yes. 
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2023-09-10 19:29:45	vardo	Namarrgon: No idea
2023-09-10 19:29:45	vardo	rcf: ok thanks
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2023-09-10 19:29:45	Namarrgon	pactree -r $pkg
2023-09-10 19:29:45	rcf	It's only required by zoneminder. 
2023-09-10 19:29:45	vardo	Yeah, removed zoneminder too
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2023-09-10 19:29:45	vardo	No idea what this was
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2023-09-10 19:29:45	vardo	Thanks you all, have a good one
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2023-09-10 20:23:57	gloomy	Hey, pasting stopped working out of nowhere. I can copy, `xsel -o` outputs the right thing, but `ctrl+v` or right-click and then "paste" don't do anything
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2023-09-10 20:24:42	gloomy	thought maybe something was interfering with the keyboard shortcut but since the right click/paste also doesn't work I doubt it's that
2023-09-10 20:25:17	gloomy	Any idea where to start looking??
2023-09-10 20:25:20	rcf	gloomy: xsel -o will use primary selection, not the clipboard. 
2023-09-10 20:25:26	rcf	Does middle click work? 
2023-09-10 20:25:43	gloomy	aaah, indeed
2023-09-10 20:25:45	gloomy	yes
2023-09-10 20:25:57	gloomy	Why does ctrl-c send to primary O.o
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2023-09-10 20:26:38	rcf	Depending on the application, it might not be doing anything at all. 
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2023-09-10 20:27:18	gloomy	hmm, but `echo test | xsel -ib` also doesn't work
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2023-09-10 20:28:24	gloomy	but it doesn't send it to the primary either, while ctrl+c does
2023-09-10 20:28:26	gloomy	wtf
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2023-09-10 20:28:59	vardo	Hi again. My 'boot' partition has only 12.8 MB, what's the proper way to deal with this? I found a similar question on the internet, but with Ubuntu and people said to remove past kernel images. Indeed, there is a 'initramfs-linux-fallback.img' that takes 75 MB. I am not sure why it is way bigger than the 'initramfs-linux.img' which takes only 17.4 MB
2023-09-10 20:29:20	vardo	boot partition has only 12.8 MB space left, I meant to say
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2023-09-10 20:29:44	Namarrgon	you can disable the generation of the fallback initramfs in the mkinitcpio preset
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2023-09-10 20:30:04	vardo	Namarrgon, but isn't it safer to keep it?
2023-09-10 20:30:09	Namarrgon	in the long term you want to either stop using the ESP for /boot or increase the size of the ESP
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2023-09-10 20:30:26	vardo	What's the ESP? The boot partition?
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2023-09-10 20:30:38	Namarrgon	a working archiso on a usb thumbdrive will serve you much better
2023-09-10 20:30:41	gloomy	they all seem to appear in kde's little clipboard tray icon though
2023-09-10 20:30:54	Namarrgon	is the ESP not mounted to /boot on that system?
2023-09-10 20:31:11	vardo	Namarrgon: sorry, let me look up 'ESP' before answering that
2023-09-10 20:31:20	Namarrgon	!aw esp
2023-09-10 20:31:21	phrik	Namarrgon: ESP - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ESP
2023-09-10 20:31:29	rcf	gloomy: are you using X or Wayland? 
2023-09-10 20:31:34	gloomy	X
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2023-09-10 20:31:55	rcf	gloomy: also it's not the ctrl+c that sends it to primary, the act of selecting does. 
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2023-09-10 20:33:11	gloomy	yup, you're right. And xsel -ob doesn't output anything, neither after ctrl+c'ing neither when putting someting in the clipboard using xsel
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2023-09-10 20:33:47	vardo	ESP is EFI alright
2023-09-10 20:34:54	Namarrgon	you should probably not express it that way, it will confuse people
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2023-09-10 20:37:19	vardo	"The EFI system partition (also called ESP) "
2023-09-10 20:37:32	vardo	Isn't that what the wiki says?
2023-09-10 20:38:05	vardo	Oh I see, EFI is only the E in ESP
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2023-09-10 20:39:14	gaku	iirc EFI stands for Extended Firmware Interface
2023-09-10 20:39:30	gaku	so for the full mouthful it would be Extended Firmware Interface System Partition
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2023-09-10 20:40:54	gaku	contrary to how it used to be, some bootcode squished in the MBR bootsector pointing somewhere
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2023-09-10 20:42:10	mingdao	Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI)
2023-09-10 20:42:19	mingdao	gaku gets the cigar!
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2023-09-10 20:42:30	mingdao	for being ever so close
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2023-09-10 20:51:34	colo	:: installing ppp (2.5.0-1) breaks dependency 'ppp=2.4.9' required by networkmanager-fortisslvpn - for unfortunate
2023-09-10 20:51:44	colo	people like me, this is unfortunate
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2023-09-10 20:52:09	mingdao	ShalokShalom │ >  the package networkmanager-fortisslvpn just moved out of extra
2023-09-10 20:52:20	vardo	If I want to make EFI system partition larger but there is no space left after it because there is another partition used, can I move it somewhere else?
2023-09-10 20:52:26	mingdao	colo: Might that have anything to do with it?
2023-09-10 20:52:49	leonic	hi, I bought a high refreshrate display with variable refresh rate (VRR), but it seems broken on linux. at certain fps, e.g. 60 fps, the refresh rate goes allover the place and I get severe brightness flickering. In windows the refresh rate seems stable at 55-65 Hz when the fps is locked at 60.
2023-09-10 20:52:52	Namarrgon	vardo: sure
2023-09-10 20:53:17	vardo	Namarrgon, thanks. So there is a way to pick which partition is the EFI one?
2023-09-10 20:53:17	leonic	Is there a way I can simulate/do low frame rate compension via software on linux?
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2023-09-10 20:53:31	Namarrgon	vardo: yes, the partition type
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2023-09-10 20:53:44	vardo	Namarrgon, ok great, thank you, I'm gonna look for info about this.
2023-09-10 20:54:01	Namarrgon	vardo: create the new partition, cp the old blockdevice over and fix the partuuid to the old one, then remove the old ESP
2023-09-10 20:54:21	vardo	Namarrgon, thanks!
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2023-09-10 20:54:43	leonic	That is, is there any software on linux that takes a certain FPS on your gpu and then doubles it? E.g. 60 fps -> 120 fps (just showing each frame twice, but for half as long).
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2023-09-10 20:55:50	colo	mingdao: eh! yes.
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2023-09-10 20:56:30	colo	mingdao: where can I read more about that? that breaks my use case for Archlinux :/
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2023-09-10 20:58:37	demonicmaniac1	leonic: wasnt lfc just a monitor function for variable refresh to run at max hz below x fps to not have input delay from vsync on < 30 fps
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2023-09-10 20:59:15	leonic	yes
2023-09-10 20:59:35	leonic	but also to avoid bad response times / ghosting.
2023-09-10 20:59:58	leonic	my VA panel has pretty bad ghosting at 50 Hz, but almost no ghosting at 240 Hz.
2023-09-10 21:00:06	teraflops	with svp you can make mpv/vlc to play videos at 60/120 fps
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2023-09-10 21:05:27	demonicmaniac1	leonic: https://github.com/xCuri0/blackframe-insertion might be worth a shot
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2023-09-11 17:06:38	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1332 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1331 regular)
2023-09-11 06:52:21	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-11 06:52:22	phrik	Title: Amazon.com (at amazon.com)
2023-09-11 06:54:30	ryzenda	https://ssd.skhynix.com/platinum_p41/ doesn't show any specifications regarding sector sizes
2023-09-11 06:54:31	phrik	Title: Platinum P41 SSD – SK hynix SSD (at ssd.skhynix.com)
2023-09-11 07:01:00	rcf	Jesus that website 
2023-09-11 07:03:07	rcf	ryzenda: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Advanced_Format#NVMe_solid_state_drives
2023-09-11 07:03:09	phrik	Title: Advanced Format - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-11 07:04:10	ryzenda	yep, I've been glancing at that and the discussion page too
2023-09-11 07:06:03	rcf	If nvme id-ns won't list 4k sectors, you're probably stuck with 512. 
2023-09-11 07:06:33	ryzenda	Mine list 4k sectors, so I'll try using that.
2023-09-11 07:07:09	ryzenda	just like in the page it shows LBA Format 0 (512) [in use] and 1 (4096)
2023-09-11 07:08:08	rcf	Obviously only change if this is a new drive with no data you care about 
2023-09-11 07:08:37	ryzenda	yep, new laptop, new drive, setting everything up now
2023-09-11 07:19:58	ryzenda	What is the `fdisk` filesystem type id for "EFI System" ? I selected "ef" id which shows up as "EFI (FAT-12/16/32)" which seems different.
2023-09-11 07:21:08	rcf	That would indicate you're using MBR for UEFI, which you shouldn't be doing. 
2023-09-11 07:21:48	ryzenda	I'm not using MBR, or trying not to anyway.
2023-09-11 07:22:43	rcf	When you print the partition table, what does it give for disklabel type? 
2023-09-11 07:22:52	rcf	If it's dos (the default), you've got MBR. 
2023-09-11 07:23:34	ryzenda	At first the ssd partition table was empty, and I just created a new partition for EFI system partition as indicated in 1.9 of https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide#Partition_the_disks
2023-09-11 07:23:35	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-11 07:24:10	rcf	ryzenda: if you  have GPT, it's identified in fdisk as the first type in the list, with GUID C12A7328-F81F-11D2-BA4B-00A0C93EC93B
2023-09-11 07:25:24	ryzenda	hmmmm, `fdisk /dev/nvme0n1` -> l ---> this shows 00 Empty as first in the list
2023-09-11 07:25:42	rcf	What is the disklabel type if you use 'p' 
2023-09-11 07:26:11	ryzenda	I just closed and restarted fdisk, without saving, and so `p` now shows no partitions yet
2023-09-11 07:26:34	rcf	I mean before the partitions, it will show you other information 
2023-09-11 07:27:13	ryzenda	aha, I see Disklabel type: dos
2023-09-11 07:27:28	rcf	use g to switch to gpt, and then proceed as you were. 
2023-09-11 07:28:13	ryzenda	There we go! Thanks!
2023-09-11 08:04:37	ryzenda	Which network manager for a pc beginner/newbie, re: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration#Network_managers ?
2023-09-11 08:04:38	phrik	Title: Network configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-11 08:04:44	ryzenda	NetworkManager?
2023-09-11 08:05:05	grawity	NetworkManager if you want good GNOME or KDE integration
2023-09-11 08:07:35	grawity	or if you use more than one wi-fi network (though many people also seem to use iwd in that case)
2023-09-11 08:18:17	Gnana	why compiling archlinux becomes laggy
2023-09-11 08:18:25	Gnana	on compiling
2023-09-11 08:18:32	grawity	are you running out of memory
2023-09-11 08:22:44	institor	it's probably the cpu usage
2023-09-11 08:23:03	Gnana	grawity: no its 16Gig
2023-09-11 08:23:12	Gnana	amd ryzen 7
2023-09-11 08:23:14	Gnana	proc
2023-09-11 08:23:17	Gnana	sssor
2023-09-11 08:23:26	Gnana	xorg i3 wm
2023-09-11 08:23:40	Gnana	sway 8GB
2023-09-11 08:23:42	Gnana	swap*
2023-09-11 08:23:50	Gnana	?
2023-09-11 08:29:41	dagle	Gnana: 16Gb is nothing when compiling a large project.
2023-09-11 08:30:03	Gagis	depending on how many cores you have allocated to the compiler, it can use pretty much all of the capacity of your CPU too
2023-09-11 08:43:00	rcf	With 16GB it’s almost certainly memory-bound 
2023-09-11 08:51:11	BrainDamage	quite-related, is there some way to make make limit spawning jobs based off the ram usage?
2023-09-11 08:51:37	BrainDamage	I was thinking of abusing make jobserver queue, but maybe there's a more sane option
2023-09-11 09:00:17	Gnana	xrandr --listproviders not showing my nvidia card?
2023-09-11 09:00:56	Gnana	https://termbin.com/v6qfk
2023-09-11 09:12:24	ryzenda	After following installation guide and rebooting, booting into archlinux via grub, then at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Microcode#Verifying_that_microcode_got_updated_on_boot `journalctl -k --grep=microcode` shows a bunch of lines, first one: "kernel: Speculative Return Stack Overflow: IBPB-extending microcode not applied!"
2023-09-11 09:12:25	phrik	Title: Microcode - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-11 09:12:57	ryzenda	Note I installed amd-ucode
2023-09-11 09:13:28	ryzenda	The line after that shows: "kernel: Speculative Return Stack Overflow: Mitigation: safe RET, no microcode"
2023-09-11 09:14:27	ryzenda	24 lines after that with "kernel: microcode: CPU*: patch_level=0x0a601203" probably because 12 core, 24 threads
2023-09-11 09:48:23	grawity	so if I want to get a GPU to play with CUDA on my server, how much of a headache is nVidia going to be? I assume I don't need to worry about Xorg versions, at least...
2023-09-11 09:50:36	mmt47	!paste
2023-09-11 09:50:37	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-09-11 09:53:25	mmt47	hello i have a problem related to kernel
2023-09-11 09:53:31	mmt47	https://bpa.st/QEWJG -> dmesg first
2023-09-11 09:53:33	phrik	Title: View paste QEWJG (at bpa.st)
2023-09-11 09:53:42	mmt47	https://bpa.st/66DLE -> dmesg second
2023-09-11 09:53:43	phrik	Title: View paste 66DLE (at bpa.st)
2023-09-11 09:54:08	grawity	the problem being?
2023-09-11 09:54:11	mmt47	in the second dmesg output i have problem with btusb module i think
2023-09-11 09:54:18	mmt47	rtl8821 bluetooth module
2023-09-11 09:54:41	mmt47	when second output is registered i cant reboot/shutdown cleanly
2023-09-11 09:54:47	mmt47	when first output is generated i can
2023-09-11 09:54:52	mmt47	and this seems to be random
2023-09-11 09:55:07	grawity	no, that seems to be a problem with the amd "sensor hub" module
2023-09-11 09:56:08	mmt47	grawity, last time i had it working was with kernel 6.1.something, i'm testing with every kernel released, so far getting this up to 6.5.2
2023-09-11 09:56:22	grawity	report it as a regression to the developers
2023-09-11 09:56:37	mmt47	ok
2023-09-11 09:56:55	grawity	try booting with modprobe.blacklist=amd_sfh (or put "blacklist amd_sfh" in /etc/modprobe.d/amd.conf) and see if it keeps reoccurring
2023-09-11 09:57:01	mmt47	grawity, kernel developers i assume?
2023-09-11 09:57:04	grawity	yeah
2023-09-11 09:57:11	grawity	amd_sfh developers specifically
2023-09-11 09:57:15	mmt47	ok thanks
2023-09-11 09:57:38	grawity	https://paste.rs/Rq7AI
2023-09-11 10:04:59	diamond	j
2023-09-11 10:10:09	diamond	is there any alternative to networkmanager?
2023-09-11 10:13:13	mmt47	systemd networkd
2023-09-11 10:13:38	theta_decay	diamond:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration#Network_managers
2023-09-11 10:13:39	phrik	Title: Network configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-11 10:19:40	diamond	but only networkmanager is capable of managing tunnels and stuff i see
2023-09-11 10:20:47	another|	what kind of tunnel?
2023-09-11 10:22:57	diamond	in networkmanager with vpn-addons i can enter credentials and get a tunnel, wireguard for example
2023-09-11 10:23:51	diamond	with systemd-networkd is just about simple configuration of interfaces
2023-09-11 10:23:58	another|	networkd has native support for wireguard as well
2023-09-11 10:24:39	another|	plus wireguard is not implemented via the vpn addon system in NM
2023-09-11 10:26:25	diamond	o, i see 
2023-09-11 10:26:27	diamond	my bad
2023-09-11 10:26:44	diamond	thanks to you m8
2023-09-11 10:27:19	grawity	wireguard is implemented via the builtin interface system in NM
2023-09-11 10:27:36	grawity	probably works out better that way
2023-09-11 10:50:06	mmt47	grawity there's a bug thread similar to mine: https://www.spinics.net/lists/stable/msg655075.html
2023-09-11 10:50:08	phrik	Title: amd_sfh driver causes kernel oops during boot — Linux Stable Kernel Updates (at www.spinics.net)
2023-09-11 10:50:17	mmt47	couldn't find the original post
2023-09-11 11:10:41	ShalokShalom	Can somebody explain me, why I remove all existing orphans, just to get some more?
2023-09-11 11:10:43	ShalokShalom	https://paste.ee/p/oD8lI
2023-09-11 11:10:45	phrik	Title: Paste.ee - View paste oD8lI (at paste.ee)
2023-09-11 11:11:02	ShalokShalom	Is it orphans, who dependent on orphans?
2023-09-11 11:11:21	ShalokShalom	Is there a way to recurively detect orphans?
2023-09-11 11:18:07	igemnace	ShalokShalom: not during detection, but removal: pacman -Rs will recursively remove unneeded dependencies
2023-09-11 11:20:47	gromit	ShalokShalom: the wiki suggests removing with -Rns https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Removing_unused_packages_(orphans)
2023-09-11 11:20:49	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-11 11:25:51	ShalokShalom	We currently try to do it with a loop, that runs a clean -R
2023-09-11 11:26:04	ShalokShalom	It seems quite agressive otherwise, and could result in failure
2023-09-11 11:26:17	ShalokShalom	So detection would be the only alternative to a loop
2023-09-11 12:27:39	raku_cat	Hi all, having a weird issue in my arch install after migrating to btrfs, everything went pretty smoothly but I'm randomly getting corruption/csum errors consistently on steam files, so far mainly one game (tower unite) and the exact same file, no matter how many times I delete it, and the volume itself passes a a scrub or only gives an erorr on one of those game files. Any suggestions? Having a
2023-09-11 12:27:41	raku_cat	very hard time debugging 
2023-09-11 12:28:21	Namarrgon	how did you migrate to btrfs?
2023-09-11 12:39:19	raku_cat	Namarrgon: got some new drives, made partitions and rsynced everything over, then wiped and added the old drive
2023-09-11 12:39:52	Namarrgon	is btrfs running on top of lvm or mdraid?
2023-09-11 12:40:33	raku_cat	I didn't set it up that way so it shouldn't, no encryption or anything
2023-09-11 12:40:54	Namarrgon	what did oyu add the old drive to then?
2023-09-11 12:41:18	Namarrgon	is this a multidev btrfs?
2023-09-11 12:41:42	raku_cat	Ah, ya sorry
2023-09-11 12:42:31	Namarrgon	how did you configure the duplication and mode?
2023-09-11 12:44:47	raku_cat	It's a simple raid0 https://gist.github.com/raku-cat/4c241dbae414e7862bfdd242907c2fed
2023-09-11 12:49:07	Namarrgon	does the problem manifest only with steam?
2023-09-11 12:52:32	raku_cat	As far as I've seen, It's honestly basically only been the single asset file from tower unite but i've seen it happen to random vulkan stuff but still associated with steam
2023-09-11 12:53:20	Namarrgon	can you post the csum errors in the kernel log with some of the surrounding context?
2023-09-11 12:53:54	raku_cat	Sure!:3
2023-09-11 12:56:14	gromit	We observed a weird error which caused the repo db files to vanish: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-btrfs/1QGQ0S.784N7IZ653TH3@ianjohnson.dev/T/#med094b0c7305afe399a3131141743051a1f51d79
2023-09-11 12:56:35	gromit	I am not too sure that this could cause the same problem you have, but who knows 
2023-09-11 12:56:56	raku_cat	https://gist.github.com/raku-cat/42fb403f328aaa91ccf1d9d7111d2470
2023-09-11 12:57:56	raku_cat	I have a couple surrounding lines included but honestly there's quite literally no context, just the errors popping up when the game tries to read its files
2023-09-11 13:04:44	raku_cat	gromit, Hmm that's interesting, I'll take a look, the only sort of adjacent behaviour I've found was when I tried getting an md5 on the file, I was getting an I/O error repeatedly and then it randomly read fine and gave me the correct hash 
2023-09-11 13:05:38	gromit	raku_cat: yeah but I think there were no csum errors for the above problem when it was observered ... 
2023-09-11 13:06:15	Namarrgon	have you checked the smart data of the two disks?
2023-09-11 13:06:22	raku_cat	All smart passes 
2023-09-11 13:06:34	Namarrgon	and the values?
2023-09-11 13:06:58	raku_cat	Like error counts? 
2023-09-11 13:07:01	raku_cat	0
2023-09-11 13:07:02	Namarrgon	do the error counters go up when during the csum failures?
2023-09-11 13:07:13	Namarrgon	s/when//
2023-09-11 13:07:16	raku_cat	These are all relatively new SSDs
2023-09-11 13:09:05	polarian	grawity: PM?
2023-09-11 13:09:31	polarian	I thought arch opers were open to being asked for help...
2023-09-11 13:09:53	Namarrgon	they generally are but they can't be when they are not present
2023-09-11 13:10:15	polarian	you are always here Namarrgon :)
2023-09-11 13:10:26	polarian	but I need a specific oper which I mentioned already :P
2023-09-11 13:12:06	polarian	Namarrgon: could you let grawity know I need to talk with them? I have tried asking to PM here about 3 times over the past few weeks, I do not know if I am being ignored or they were busy and missed it... it would help a lot :)
2023-09-11 13:12:46	Namarrgon	i can try
2023-09-11 13:13:07	polarian	thank you :)
2023-09-11 13:17:36	raku_cat	Okay just tested it, no the counts don't go up when i get a csum error
2023-09-11 13:18:20	Namarrgon	steam is from the repos or flatpak?
2023-09-11 13:19:10	raku_cat	Here's smartctl output for both https://gist.github.com/raku-cat/1789c4543a89769040bfd884a1fa70fa
2023-09-11 13:19:15	raku_cat	Namarrgon, Repos
2023-09-11 13:19:56	raku_cat	Just got a new csum error on a new file this time actually, the game binary itself :) same game tho lol, it's the only one I can consistently get the error with (started out as me trying to figure out why the game wouldn't open lol..)
2023-09-11 13:20:00	ahesford	alerque: grazzolini: if you would benefit from another set of eyes and can tolerate a Void perspective, I'd be happy to help out as another collaborator on the original mkinitcpio-dropbear repo
2023-09-11 13:20:39	grazzolini	ahesford: lol, what does void perspective means? =DS
2023-09-11 13:21:15	ahesford	I'm a Void maintainer and don't use Arch
2023-09-11 13:21:43	ahesford	but I maintain mkinitcpio and key tools for Void
2023-09-11 13:23:00	grawity	polarian: I very much do not want to be involved in any of your business
2023-09-11 13:24:01	Namarrgon	raku_cat: can you run a self-test on the 860?
2023-09-11 13:24:28	Namarrgon	considering its age the wear_leveling_count is rather "high"
2023-09-11 13:24:40	polarian	oh that is why...
2023-09-11 13:25:11	polarian	grawity: I very much hope you don't, however I do not believe this is the case.
2023-09-11 13:25:24	polarian	and surely as an oper you need to hear me out?
2023-09-11 13:26:22	susi	Namarrgon: doesn't wear_leveling_count go downwards from 100
2023-09-11 13:26:54	raku_cat	If it goes down from 100 that's even worse then :')
2023-09-11 13:27:02	polarian	wait so opers can outright refuse to deal with me? then what happens if I need support? 
2023-09-11 13:27:11	grawity	polarian: see, if I did, that would be getting involved in your business, which you hope I do not
2023-09-11 13:27:43	grawity	I mean, sure, I can hear you out but if it's what I'm expecting it to be, I'm not necessarily going to care
2023-09-11 13:27:45	Namarrgon	susi: that's how i interpret it, which imho is pretty low for a disk with little that little data written and only 28k hours
2023-09-11 13:27:56	grawity	susi: my almost-new 860s have it at '1'
2023-09-11 13:27:57	polarian	grawity: what do you expect it to be?
2023-09-11 13:27:59	grawity	no idea what units it is
2023-09-11 13:28:31	grawity	the normalized 'VALUE' goes from 100 to 0 for just about everything, while 'RAW_VALUE' is <shrug/>
2023-09-11 13:28:38	Namarrgon	polarian: you just started new drama while trying not to start the other drama
2023-09-11 13:29:17	raku_cat	Short test just passed, I can run a long one but it'll be an hour 
2023-09-11 13:30:12	grawity	whereas Total_LBAs_Written is supposedly the number of 512-byte sectors, so that disk is apparently indicating 14 TiB written
2023-09-11 13:30:39	grawity	...or at least I hope it's 512-byte sectors and not something weird like 4k
2023-09-11 13:30:52	Namarrgon	it should be 512byte
2023-09-11 13:31:01	diamond	j
2023-09-11 13:31:20	Namarrgon	raku_cat: apart from that i'm not sure how to debug this
2023-09-11 13:31:37	Namarrgon	you can bring it up in #btrfs, if you haven't already
2023-09-11 13:32:15	raku_cat	I have not, only just dusted off my weechat install lol
2023-09-11 13:33:37	raku_cat	I still had it pointing at freenode, I opened it and was really confused why the arch channel was THAT empty lol..
2023-09-11 13:58:06	agowa	Hi, I'm still debugging the audio issue, where transitioning from silent to sound and back causes the monitor to show the input detected overlay again and again. I fixed half of it already by playing with the auto suspense of the GPUs audio device. But the 2nd one remains a mystery. I suspect kmix, what do you think this log means? https://paste.debian.net/1291611/
2023-09-11 13:58:10	phrik	Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)
2023-09-11 13:59:14	grawity	what does `udevadm monitor` say about that?
2023-09-11 14:00:02	agowa	grawity: Nothing at all, that's the odd thing.
2023-09-11 14:03:57	agowa	Until now the only thing I can see is that the playback stream for the application that caused the sound gets removed. And that triggers the monitor to show the overlay. But I don't even see anything that would indicate how it even knows about it.
2023-09-11 14:04:20	grawity	I have no idea, but just out of curiosity, is that pipewire or actual pulseaudio?
2023-09-11 14:04:49	agowa	Kinda both, pipewire with pipewire-pulse...
2023-09-11 14:04:57	grawity	that counts as pipewire
2023-09-11 14:05:07	grawity	since all it does is speak the pulseaudio protocol, really
2023-09-11 14:05:37	agowa	just wanted to be precise in case it may be an issue with the compatibility layer or something.
2023-09-11 14:06:15	susi	have you checked the monitor does not offer disabling the OSD in its button-settings?
2023-09-11 14:06:34	agowa	susi: Yes I have, and no it doesn't.
2023-09-11 14:07:06	susi	what monitor is this, so I can avoid buying one?
2023-09-11 14:07:51	agowa	https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B07P7KK8J6
2023-09-11 14:07:52	phrik	Title: Amazon.de (at www.amazon.de)
2023-09-11 14:09:17	agowa	Technically it's a "smart TV", but once switched to HDMI input it's just a dumb monitor. The nice thing about it is that it does allow staying on an input even once the device is turned off, which always annoys me with "normal monitors".
2023-09-11 14:10:19	susi	reading sony.com, your TV might have 'Info Banner' (on/off) setting under Channels & Inputs or Channels or Channel setup
2023-09-11 14:10:25	susi	I'd try that
2023-09-11 14:11:10	grawity	since it's pipewire, I'd suspect some Wireplumber nonsense
2023-09-11 14:16:48	agowa	susi: Just found it, the manual from sony that I had pointed to different menus the key was "Channel setup", which is otherwise only for the TV channel search...
2023-09-11 14:17:41	grazzolini	ahesford: I see. well, I think we'll soon move the repo to alerque's, so they'd be the owner..
2023-09-11 14:17:46	agowa	thank you very much for pointing me towards it again.
2023-09-11 14:41:03	lash_	I've managed to mess up file pemissions on the root filesystem, not sure what is affected but getting some strange behavior like su not possible anymore. any way to recover from that save a reinstall?
2023-09-11 14:44:23	agowa	lash_: No, but you can reinstall all packages from local cache if that helps.
2023-09-11 14:44:29	mpan	lash_: `pacman -Qkk filesystem` if that only affects the directories from the filesystem package.
2023-09-11 14:44:51	mpan	Unless you messed up permissions completely, like affecting maaaany packages. In which case what agowa said.
2023-09-11 14:46:09	mpan	However, virtually all files use the same permissions (644 or 755), so this can be easily fixed recursively and then cherry-picked single exceptions using `pacman -Qkk`.
2023-09-11 14:54:07	lash_	mpan: pacman -Qkk filesystem didnt fix the problem :/
2023-09-11 14:54:13	mpan	lash_: it does not fix anything.
2023-09-11 14:54:14	lash_	agowa: how to do that from local cache?
2023-09-11 15:17:42	susi	what is 'the old archiso'?
2023-09-11 15:19:28	bswartz	They publish the last 3 months of ISOs on the mirrors
2023-09-11 15:29:02	lash_	&quit
2023-09-11 15:31:55	susi	ask of guts
2023-09-11 15:32:14	susi	wrong chan..
2023-09-11 16:33:05	mingdao	archlinux-2023.07.01-x86_64.iso worked well for me recently, also
2023-09-11 16:36:00	susi	and 2023.02.01 worked well for me recently :-)
2023-09-11 16:36:06	susi	that's my go-to iso
2023-09-11 16:37:53	nl6720	archlinux-2023.07.01-x86_64.iso+ is broken on IA32 UEFI, but IA32 UEFI is not very common
2023-09-11 16:39:16	susi	I guess it's not even supposed to support IA-32?
2023-09-11 16:39:22	mingdao	What does this affect that I saw posted recently?  https://archlinux.org/news/grub-bootloader-upgrade-and-configuration-incompatibilities/
2023-09-11 16:39:24	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Grub bootloader upgrade and configuration incompatibilities (at archlinux.org)
2023-09-11 16:39:57	mingdao	"Depending on your system hardware" ... but no idea what system hardware.
2023-09-11 16:40:08	susi	mingdao: it's exactly as written there
2023-09-11 16:40:27	mingdao	susi: So you don't know, either.
2023-09-11 16:40:48	susi	mingdao: some 6+ months ago new grub configuration (produced by grub-mkconfig, for example) became incompatible with older grub payloads (the bootloader on disk)
2023-09-11 16:41:03	nl6720	susi: it is supposed to support it https://monthly-reports.archlinux.page/2022/06/#archiso
2023-09-11 16:41:04	phrik	Title: June | Arch Linux Monthly Reports (at monthly-reports.archlinux.page)
2023-09-11 16:41:12	susi	mingdao: I guess you've never done `grub-install' after the initial install, so you haven't come across this
2023-09-11 16:41:24	susi	oops, I mean - grub-mkconfig*
2023-09-11 16:41:35	mingdao	susi: Yes, I have.  I'm moving on.
2023-09-11 16:42:09	susi	mingdao: when you pacman -S grub, it won't install the bootloader on disk, you have to `grub-install' it yourself ... and then grub-mkconfig yourself too
2023-09-11 16:42:26	mingdao	 /ignore susi
2023-09-11 16:42:47	susi	nl6720: oh, cool :)
2023-09-11 16:42:59	nl6720	except now it's broken :(
2023-09-11 16:43:04	nl6720	fuck grub!
2023-09-11 16:43:32	Namarrgon	mingdao: in this case: hardware that supports uefi and is loading the bootloader in uefi mode
2023-09-11 16:44:48	Namarrgon	but in general this is an extended case of partial-updates-not-supported-and-always-merge-the-pacnews
2023-09-11 16:54:12	mingdao	Namarrgon: Thanks, that makes sense.
2023-09-11 16:54:27	mingdao	syslinux is also a nice bootloader
2023-09-11 16:54:55	Namarrgon	it was when all there was was legacy boot
2023-09-11 16:55:12	Namarrgon	but the world is more complicated now and syslinux hasn't kept up
2023-09-11 16:55:32	nl6720	unfortunately syslinux requires APM to reboot or poweroff from the boot menu
2023-09-11 16:55:51	nl6720	but I guess that makes sense for something targeting old systems
2023-09-11 17:00:08	Trel	My power went out last night so I'm not sure where things got left.  Someone mentioned which program was likely causing the issue with LANG and man pages but said it likely was **not** a bug?
2023-09-11 17:00:23	susi	but there seems to be: https://www.syslinux.org/archives/2012-March/017661.html
2023-09-11 17:00:25	phrik	Title: [syslinux] acpioff: COM32 module to shut off machine using ACPI (at www.syslinux.org)
2023-09-11 17:02:28	nl6720	it's not upstreamed. not that upstream is active anyway
2023-09-11 17:02:53	Trel	it may have been with you rcf, but I can't remember.  (More reason to move weechat to a VPS haha)
2023-09-11 17:06:03	polarian	Trel: good idea, let big company see all your messages
2023-09-11 17:06:15	Trel	Encryption is a thing no?
2023-09-11 17:06:26	polarian	and where is that encryption between?
2023-09-11 17:06:37	polarian	their datacentre and libera.chat
2023-09-11 17:06:39	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-09-11 17:06:41	polarian	not between you and libera
2023-09-11 17:07:01	Trel	I meant the logs. You're talking about real time interception?
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2023-09-11 17:07:30	uncountable1	!paste
2023-09-11 17:07:30	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-09-11 17:08:30	polarian	Trel: weechat stores logs in plaintext
2023-09-11 17:08:45	Trel	That's what I was talking about encrypting.
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2023-09-11 17:09:19	teraflops	you use sasl to connect to liberachat and if you use a relay you use a ssl certificate
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2023-09-11 17:09:47	Trel	I know?
2023-09-11 17:09:55	teraflops	that was for polarian 
2023-09-11 17:10:08	polarian	meh I doubt a big datacentre will manually enter your vm and attempt to yank your tls encrypted socket connections in real time
2023-09-11 17:10:14	Trel	Ah ok misread that
2023-09-11 17:10:38	polarian	teraflops: I am aware of that... but the negotiations is between the vm and the libera servers
2023-09-11 17:10:54	polarian	anyways you could argue libera uses big companies anyways for the relaying... which could do the dame
2023-09-11 17:10:55	polarian	same*
2023-09-11 17:11:03	Trel	I'm also looking into a UPS to mitigate the impact of shorter power hits too.
2023-09-11 17:11:34	polarian	congrats Polarian you counteracted your own point 
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2023-09-11 17:11:47	Trel	On the upside journalctl made it pretty easy to see exactly when the power went out.
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2023-09-11 17:22:50	Vorpal	It looks like I found a kernel user space API regression (using the standard arch linux kernel). What is the next step to debugging this and trying to figure out where to report it (e.g. is a arch bug or an upstream kernel bug)
2023-09-11 17:23:02	Vorpal	I did open a arch bug report about it to begin with: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/79656
2023-09-11 17:23:04	phrik	Title: FS#79656 : [linux] mprotect on mmaped pages at 0x0 fails (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-09-11 17:23:09	Vorpal	but I'm unsure as to what to do next
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2023-09-11 17:24:40	Namarrgon	what was the last working kernel version?
2023-09-11 17:24:43	MacGyver	Vorpal: Bisect.
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2023-09-11 17:24:46	rcf	Trel: I'd argue it might not be a bug simply because \- has been in widespread use for a very long time to mean literal ASCII hyphen character. But then it could be a bug given that the .Ic macro is supposed to represent a literal command. 
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2023-09-11 17:25:21	MacGyver	Vorpal: If you can't compile kernels yourself, bisect by installing Arch kernel packages.
2023-09-11 17:25:22	Vorpal	MacGyver: yes that is what I need some help with. I don't know how to do that for the arch kernel package.
2023-09-11 17:25:24	rcf	Trel: but either way I'd recommend just using mandoc. 
2023-09-11 17:25:50	Vorpal	Namarrgon: I update packages every week, so it only broke very recently
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2023-09-11 17:26:05	Vorpal	I don't know exactly what my previously installed kernel is, is there an easy way to see that?
2023-09-11 17:26:10	MacGyver	Vorpal: It already helps tremendously if you can use the Arch Linux Archive (<https://archive.archlinux.org/packages/l/linux/>) to install the versions between your last installed and current one.
2023-09-11 17:26:10	phrik	Title: Index of /packages/l/linux/ (at archive.archlinux.org)
2023-09-11 17:26:16	Namarrgon	Vorpal: pacman writes a log file
2023-09-11 17:26:26	Trel	rcf: I lost message history from the outage, what is it defaulting to?
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2023-09-11 17:26:39	rcf	Trel: the default is man-db, which uses groff. 
2023-09-11 17:26:40	Vorpal	[2023-09-10T15:12:40+0200] [ALPM] upgraded linux (6.4.12.arch1-1 -> 6.5.2.arch1-1)
2023-09-11 17:26:40	MacGyver	Vorpal: Pacman log in /var/log/pacman.log or look in /var/cache/pacman/pkg what the linux packages are.
2023-09-11 17:26:42	Namarrgon	Vorpal: ideally you should downgrade only the kernel and test again, to make sure it's not an issue with libc
2023-09-11 17:26:42	Vorpal	Well there it is
2023-09-11 17:26:52	Vorpal	so between 6.4 to 6.5 I guess
2023-09-11 17:27:06	rcf	Or use the raw syscall 
2023-09-11 17:27:07	Vorpal	Namarrgon: that is a good point, I will do that
2023-09-11 17:27:11	MacGyver	Vorpal: If you end up installing kernel packages, also remember to install the corresponding headers so that dkms modules are built correctly.
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2023-09-11 17:27:24	Vorpal	MacGyver: yes that is quite important since I have nvidia graphics
2023-09-11 17:27:31	rcf	Or, for something like this, bisect in a VM so your existing system will continue working 
2023-09-11 17:27:37	Vorpal	(10-series, so yes I'm screwed)
2023-09-11 17:27:47	heat	Vorpal, if you give me an exact good kernel version i can try to bisect
2023-09-11 17:27:48	rcf	Especially if nvidia is involved. 
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2023-09-11 17:28:58	Vorpal	heat: it looks to me like it broke when arch recently upgraded from (6.4.12.arch1-1 -> 6.5.2.arch1-1). I should downgrade to try that (to make sure it is indeed not libc). And then I should make a small reproducer (rather than having the full program that triggers this).
2023-09-11 17:29:08	Trel	Would it be worth trying to file a bug against the one having the issue, and if so, which one would it ultimately be against for the bad interpretation?
2023-09-11 17:29:33	Vorpal	heat: do you have a good setup already for bisection?
2023-09-11 17:29:35	heat	yes
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2023-09-11 17:30:12	Trel	(man-db or groff)?
2023-09-11 17:30:19	rcf	It's groff that's at fault. 
2023-09-11 17:30:26	rcf	If it's a fault in interpretation. 
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2023-09-11 17:30:56	Trel	Is there a chance its man-db misusing groff?
2023-09-11 17:31:14	rcf	No, because if you run groff itself on the source files it's still messed up. 
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2023-09-11 17:31:46	Trel	Well that answers that. I'll see if I can file a bug when I'm back at my desktop
2023-09-11 17:32:20	rcf	Whether it's worth a bug report is honestly something I can't be too sure of, you'd have to dig deeply into the minutae of roff and the mdoc macros and I don't recommend that if you value your sanity. 
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2023-09-11 17:32:40	Trel	In the mean time, I'll test mandoc or if I don't like that for some reason, I'll alias man to "LANG= man"
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2023-09-11 17:33:00	Vorpal	heat: awesome, making a reproducer now
2023-09-11 17:33:08	heat	im on it too haha
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2023-09-11 17:34:23	rcf	Trel: I've not had any issues with in my use, certainly. 
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2023-09-11 17:34:56	Trel	I'm talking more little things at this point though if it still uses less as a pager, probably a non-issue
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2023-09-11 17:36:12	rcf	It does 
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2023-09-11 17:38:11	Trel	Ah then some of the little things like having G and 1G for bottom and top will not be am issue, nor will most other shortcuts
2023-09-11 17:38:23	Trel	That was my only worry there
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2023-09-11 17:39:03	heat	Vorpal, https://gist.github.com/heatd/85d2971fae1501b55b6ea401fbbe485b
2023-09-11 17:39:07	Vorpal	heat: https://0x0.st/Hfyy.c that is the reproducer
2023-09-11 17:39:22	Vorpal	hah at the same time
2023-09-11 17:39:24	heat	heh
2023-09-11 17:39:41	heat	mine touches mmap_min_addr too just to make sure
2023-09-11 17:39:46	heat	can you test with the old kernel?
2023-09-11 17:39:48	Vorpal	heat: I kept mixing up rust syntax in my C, that slowed me down
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2023-09-11 17:40:29	Vorpal	heat: I will do that now. My laptop hasn't been rebooted yet, so it is on the old kernel
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2023-09-11 17:42:13	Trel	Vorpal: that sounds unsafe
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2023-09-11 17:42:39	Vorpal	huh, "regression present"? Ah seems your setting of vm.mmap_min_addr didn't work. And it doesn't work properly at all anyway, since my reproducer says it works, while your says the issue is present
2023-09-11 17:42:44	Vorpal	heat: so something different
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2023-09-11 17:43:22	heat	my setting didn't work?
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2023-09-11 17:43:45	heat	how do you know?
2023-09-11 17:44:00	Vorpal	heat: your code has 2 issues: 1) it didn't actually set mmap_min_addr (didn't take effect) 2) It is missing MAP_FIXED I think
2023-09-11 17:44:16	heat	oh, MAP_FIXED lol
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2023-09-11 17:45:07	heat	i wonder if i need to write a \n there, i've never actually done manual sysctl setting 
2023-09-11 17:45:09	Vorpal	heat: adding MAP_FIXED fixed the second issue. However, it didn't fix that mmap_min_addr isn't set properly. Not sure why that is going on, I ran it with sudo
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2023-09-11 17:45:55	Vorpal	heat: the real program also uses MAP_32BIT, but I don't think that matters here, nor should it actually mean anything if you used MAP_FIXED anyway...
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2023-09-11 17:46:38	heat	see the updated gist, works fine here now
2023-09-11 17:47:13	heat	i'm still on 6.4.12 and it passes here
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2023-09-11 17:47:18	Vorpal	[17:42] <Trel> Vorpal: that sounds unsafe <-- ? to mmap memory at 0x0? Yes. Bloody stupid JITing emulator for classic macs needs that though, and I'm willing to do that for the nostalgia of playing certain games I grew up with
2023-09-11 17:47:40	Trel	Vorpal: just a rust pun based off the only thing I know of it
2023-09-11 17:47:51	Vorpal	oh, lol
2023-09-11 17:47:53	Vorpal	yes probably
2023-09-11 17:48:28	Vorpal	I have been coding mostly C++ and rust in recent times. Writing C was just odd
2023-09-11 17:48:53	Vorpal	heat: works yes
2023-09-11 17:49:02	Vorpal	let me check on the new kernel also
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2023-09-11 17:49:20	MacGyver	Vorpal: You should run a memtest, if every LSb is stuck at 1.
2023-09-11 17:49:23	Vorpal	ok it detects the issue
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2023-09-11 17:50:01	MacGyver	(Just to be clear and not confuse your troubleshooting: that was a joking comment about your C-writing-experiences)
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2023-09-11 17:50:04	Vorpal	MacGyver: you lost me? I don't have any issues with least signficiant bits? And if I did have that issue with everything the system wouldn't even boot
2023-09-11 17:50:11	Vorpal	oh, hah
2023-09-11 17:50:25	Vorpal	tone doesn't carry over internet
2023-09-11 17:50:31	MacGyver	Yeah, sorry :P
2023-09-11 17:50:33	Vorpal	heat: I'm so grateful to your efforts
2023-09-11 17:50:53	heat	not a problem, sounds like a fun rabbithole
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2023-09-11 17:51:25	Vorpal	it would be cool if there was some automated package for this? Like pacman -S regression-tester, that you just fed a binary and a range of kernels, and it started qemu etc automatically
2023-09-11 17:51:57	Vorpal	and then in the morning you would have a single git commit
2023-09-11 17:52:07	heat	git bisect?
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2023-09-11 17:52:28	heat	see git-bisect(1) lol
2023-09-11 17:52:35	Vorpal	heat: yeah, but you still need to build the kernel, start a VM with the thing, run a test program and feed the result back to git to tell it if it was a good or bad one.
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2023-09-11 17:52:39	Vorpal	I want to automate *all* of that
2023-09-11 17:53:13	Vorpal	unless you can make git bisect somehow start the kernel etc for you
2023-09-11 17:53:21	heat	hmm i think there's a way to do that
2023-09-11 17:53:59	Vorpal	I assume you have such an automated setup (otherwise, why would you help me with this?)
2023-09-11 17:54:17	heat	i don't
2023-09-11 17:54:24	Vorpal	oh, thanks even more then!
2023-09-11 17:54:26	heat	it's a byzantine kernel bug and i love byzantine kernel bugs :v
2023-09-11 17:54:52	heat	i also think mmap_min_addr should be banned from ever being set to 0 but that's just me :P
2023-09-11 17:55:14	MacGyver	If you *do* manage to get that tooling sorted for Arch, including using PKGBUILDs and pacman, I'm sure many people would be interested in that having a permanent home at least on the wiki, if not in a package.
2023-09-11 17:55:17	MacGyver	*I* sure would be.
2023-09-11 17:55:22	Vorpal	heat: agreed, but I want to play my old mac games more than I care about that. I don't set it permanently, only by hand when I start the emulator
2023-09-11 17:56:11	susi	/var/log/pacman.log
2023-09-11 17:56:18	susi	oops, I was far away in the buffer
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2023-09-11 17:57:19	Vorpal	heat: now, sheepshaver (the mac emulator) actually have a mode that doesn't need to map at 0x0. But it just mysteriously segfaults in the JIT setup, so it doesn't actually seem to work. And... well sheepshaver is pretty much abandonware itself at this point unfortunately
2023-09-11 17:57:55	Vorpal	and I'm NOT debugging a PPC32 -> x86-64 JIT compiler. Just no.
2023-09-11 17:58:32	heat	haha
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2023-09-11 17:59:10	Vorpal	especially not that one. The code base is a maze of ifdefs, for running in various modes on macosx/linux PPC/x86/x86-64.
2023-09-11 17:59:59	Vorpal	there is windows code in there too iirc
2023-09-11 18:00:24	Vorpal	anyway, I need to make a lunch box for tomorrow, so I'll be away, but again thank you so much
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2023-09-11 18:16:51	mingdao	Vorpal, thank you for sharing that with us.  Especially those of us who are hungry.
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2023-09-11 18:30:23	genji	https://imgur.com/Bwrvgbg
2023-09-11 18:30:23	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2023-09-11 18:30:30	genji	What causes these errors at pacstrap time?
2023-09-11 18:30:35	◣	zauberfisch (~Zauberfis@cm85-167.liwest.at) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2023-09-11 18:30:40	genji	First time seeing it, but this is also my first time adding a big list of packages to pacstrap on a new install
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2023-09-11 18:31:03	Namarrgon	e.g. an outdated keyring on the iso
2023-09-11 18:31:18	Namarrgon	or a broken keyring
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2023-09-11 18:31:33	genji	I didn't do anything related to it - just simply did the original pacstrap -K /mnt line
2023-09-11 18:31:41	genji	and it wigged out... strange
2023-09-11 18:31:52	genji	it was fine at first , i walked away and came back to this
2023-09-11 18:32:16	Namarrgon	the integrity check happens after the download stage
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2023-09-11 18:33:53	Namarrgon	kill gpg-agent, clean out /etc/pacman.d/gnupg/ and then pacman-key --init && pacman-key --populate
2023-09-11 18:34:15	Namarrgon	is this the most recent iso?
2023-09-11 18:34:28	genji	Sure is
2023-09-11 18:34:41	Namarrgon	installing in a vm?
2023-09-11 18:35:00	genji	I tried redoing the command and watching it this time.  It starts doing an integrity check on all the packages but doesn't say which package its on, gets to somewhere in the middle and then all this output happens again
2023-09-11 18:35:10	genji	Yes, it's a VM
2023-09-11 18:35:33	genji	I have like 4 other Arch VM's all working great, but this one crapped out at installtime.  I'm guessing pacstrap'ing excessive packages might not be a good idea ?
2023-09-11 18:35:54	Namarrgon	no, it's just the fragile keyring setup
2023-09-11 18:36:04	Namarrgon	most likely
2023-09-11 18:36:16	MacGyver	You can pacstrap every single (non-conflicting) package in the repos if you so choose.
2023-09-11 18:36:24	MacGyver	Just need the keyring to be up-to-date.
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2023-09-11 18:37:20	genji	I'm not sure what to do right now, I'm stuck
2023-09-11 18:37:29	genji	should I just reduce the pacstrap line back down to the basic 3 packages
2023-09-11 18:37:43	Namarrgon	no, just redo the keyring like i decribed above
2023-09-11 18:37:47	Namarrgon	*described
2023-09-11 18:38:03	Namarrgon	!fixkeyring
2023-09-11 18:38:04	phrik	Your keyring issue would be probably fixed by: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
2023-09-11 18:38:09	Namarrgon	nope
2023-09-11 18:38:11	Namarrgon	!fixkeyring2
2023-09-11 18:38:12	phrik	If your keyring issue hasn't been fixed yet, try: rm -rf /etc/pacman.d/gnupg && pacman-key --init && pacman-key --populate && pacman-key --refresh-keys
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2023-09-11 18:38:50	genji	cannot remove /etc/pacman.d/gnupu - device busy
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2023-09-11 18:39:00	Namarrgon	remove the content
2023-09-11 18:39:02	genji	I did killall gpg-agent
2023-09-11 18:39:17	Namarrgon	on the archiso that directory is a mountpoint for a tmpfs, you can't reamove it
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2023-09-11 18:40:11	genji	https://imgur.com/a/wd8hBN7
2023-09-11 18:40:12	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
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2023-09-11 18:41:07	Namarrgon	then it was empty already
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2023-09-11 18:41:50	Namarrgon	since the first command in the AND chain failed the rest never ran
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2023-09-11 18:42:10	Namarrgon	and you don't need to --refresh-keys
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2023-09-11 18:43:44	genji	https://imgur.com/undefined
2023-09-11 18:43:47	genji	eek
2023-09-11 18:43:52	genji	https://imgur.com/wkYlM9P
2023-09-11 18:43:53	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2023-09-11 18:44:04	genji	I did these successfully then, is this right?
2023-09-11 18:44:11	Namarrgon	looks good
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2023-09-11 18:44:24	genji	Thank you :)  Do I execute the whole pacstrap line again now ?
2023-09-11 18:44:29	Namarrgon	yup
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2023-09-11 18:48:48	Vorpal	heat: did you start on the reproducing already? I don't want to be impatient, but it would be good to know an approximate timeline (so I know if you dropped the ball on it at some point)
2023-09-11 18:49:01	Vorpal	(e.g after a few weeks)
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2023-09-11 18:50:30	post-factum	fyi https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/79658
2023-09-11 18:50:31	phrik	Title: FS#79658 : [glib2] New version causes NetworkManager to segfault (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-09-11 18:51:00	heat	Vorpal, yup, still bisecting
2023-09-11 18:51:11	heat	every 10-ish minutes i get a new kernel
2023-09-11 18:51:24	Namarrgon	Vorpal: did you downgrade the kernel?
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2023-09-11 18:52:18	heat	Vorpal, btw there's git bisect run
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2023-09-11 18:52:31	heat	which i'm not using because that would take more effort :)
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2023-09-11 18:52:36	susi	could someone expalin me, that why setting DISPLAY=:0 XAUTHORITY=~/.Xauthority lets me open graphical stuff in sudo -i/doas -s terminal, even though my Xorg has -auth /tmp/serverauth.XXXXXXXX
2023-09-11 18:52:51	susi	terminal=shell*
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2023-09-11 18:53:41	susi	dat .Xauthority file is created and last modified when installing this system in January
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2023-09-11 18:56:08	genji	It failed again sadly
2023-09-11 18:56:22	genji	Same output, big scroll of missing required signatures
2023-09-11 18:56:59	Namarrgon	'timedatectl'
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2023-09-11 18:57:31	genji	https://imgur.com/a/tv0cnKV
2023-09-11 18:57:31	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2023-09-11 18:57:42	susi	0000, 0010, and first word of 0020 seem to be identical between .Xauthority and /tmp/serverauth.XXX..
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2023-09-11 18:58:47	susi	when xxd'ing
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2023-09-11 19:00:26	susi	or actually, first 4 octets of the 0020 line
2023-09-11 19:00:32	genji	Is there an easy way to capture the output of the entire command and have it automatically upload to a paste service?  Maybe I can post on the archlinux bbs under Installation forum
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2023-09-11 19:04:51	mkoskar	susi: compare output of `xauth list :0` and `xauth -f /tmp/serverauth.XXXXXXXX list :0` if output is identical then you are authorized
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2023-09-11 19:07:57	susi	`xauth list :0' just gets stuck
2023-09-11 19:08:30	susi	and then timeouts
2023-09-11 19:08:41	susi	and then timeouts
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2023-09-11 19:10:19	mkoskar	hmm, weird
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2023-09-11 19:13:14	susi	ok, now it takes about 30 seconds to start X, it starts only until I either ^C^C^C^C or it timeouts locking .Xauthority
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2023-09-11 19:15:13	Jawertae	hey all
2023-09-11 19:15:22	thurstylark	!welcome
2023-09-11 19:15:23	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2023-09-11 19:15:29	susi	ok, renamed .Xauthority-c, and now it works again
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2023-09-11 19:15:54	Jawertae	>Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up. :kekw:
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2023-09-11 19:16:27	susi	mkoskar: now the values are identical, for the commands you proposed
2023-09-11 19:16:35	Vorpal	[18:51] <Namarrgon> Vorpal: did you downgrade the kernel? <-- my latop had the old kernel still (not yet rebooted), but was otherwise up-to-date. Old kernel works.
2023-09-11 19:16:56	susi	still /tmp/serverauth.XXX... contains double the volume of .Xauthority
2023-09-11 19:17:00	Vorpal	I haven't downgraded my desktop yet. I most likely will shortly (so I can run that emulator)
2023-09-11 19:17:16	Jawertae	Any power users of mc in here? wanna know if anyone knows how to reload/repaint the skin on-the-fly.
2023-09-11 19:17:41	susi	serverauth.XX file sems to have a value for :1 too, even though I never had such a display
2023-09-11 19:18:04	Vorpal	good thing I keep old packages in /var/cache, no need to even go on the archive to try to find it
2023-09-11 19:18:06	susi	or maybe it's :0.1, dunno
2023-09-11 19:18:09	demonicmaniac1	!give genji ix
2023-09-11 19:18:10	phrik	genji: <command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
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2023-09-11 19:21:07	susi	mkoskar: how do I make this X authentication as fool-proof as possible...
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2023-09-11 19:21:32	susi	so that if there ever was a rmeote user logging in, they couldn't show anything graphical to me
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2023-09-11 19:23:21	susi	why are these MIT MAGIC COOKIEs ~identical every time
2023-09-11 19:23:36	susi	it seems that if someone ever got their hands on my Xauthority, they could forever abuse it
2023-09-11 19:24:20	susi	after rm -rf'ing my .Xauthority* files, they were created with exactly the same contents 
2023-09-11 19:24:39	susi	as shown in xxd
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2023-09-11 19:29:12	susi	I would want this magic cookie to be generated anew on every new Xorg run
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2023-09-11 19:29:33	susi	or something, that with once getting my .Xauthority wouldn't mean forever access 
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2023-09-11 19:32:56	susi	if I try to xauth generate :0 . timeout 0, or even just generate :0, it says "couldn:t query Security extension on display ":0"'
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2023-09-11 19:33:34	susi	and generate :0 says "Invalid MIT_MAGIC_COOKIE-1 key"
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2023-09-11 19:38:34	susi	and now I can't anymore open links from irssi, >Error: cannot open display: :0 :(
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2023-09-11 19:39:17	susi	even tho /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 has 07777 and me as an owner
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2023-09-11 19:40:36	susi	jand XAUTHORITY is set to $HOME/.Xauthority
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2023-09-11 19:41:01	susi	hmm, setting XAUTHORITY to /tmp/serverauth.XXX solves it
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2023-09-11 19:41:50	susi	I didn't do nothing but mv'd old .Xauthority* files, and now everything's screwed...
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2023-09-11 19:47:05	Vorpal	heat: rebooted to the old kernel. Will only be up for a couple more hours, but you have a link to the bug if you find the culprit after I go to sleep right?
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2023-09-11 19:52:28	heat	yep
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2023-09-11 19:53:05	heat	Vorpal, if you want to, pm me your email so I can (hopefully) CC you on the fix
2023-09-11 19:53:09	heat	or at least the upstream report
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2023-09-11 19:55:51	susi	mkoskar: I modified /bin/startx to set XAUTHORITY to the mktemp'd file in /tmp, is this bad...
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2023-09-11 20:15:07	mmt47	I am currently building default arch kernel with makepkg, I haven't made any changes to pkgbuild except for including a patch
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2023-09-11 20:15:19	mmt47	it has been 51 minutes and still going
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2023-09-11 20:15:29	MrElendig	mmt47: single thread?
2023-09-11 20:15:33	mmt47	how long should i expect on a ryzen  5600u
2023-09-11 20:15:52	mmt47	MrElendig i am afraid i didn't make any changes, so probably yes
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2023-09-11 20:15:59	MrElendig	hours then
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2023-09-11 20:16:21	MrElendig	next time change the makeflags in makepkg.conf
2023-09-11 20:16:59	mmt47	so for a 5600u 6 cores and 12 threads, it should be -j13?
2023-09-11 20:17:22	MrElendig	I like nproc - 2 but then again I usually use the machine for other things at the same time
2023-09-11 20:18:15	demonicmaniac1	also ram question
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2023-09-11 20:18:32	Tom^	luckily the kernel isnt in c++ with templates abusement
2023-09-11 20:18:34	demonicmaniac1	not so much for kernel but anything c++/lto etc
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2023-09-11 20:19:06	lod	https://i.redd.it/snkk6azbghnb1.jpg
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2023-09-11 20:19:16	NetSysFire	demonicmaniac1: are c++ applications notoriously ram intensive when compiling?
2023-09-11 20:19:30	NetSysFire	lod: wrong channelß
2023-09-11 20:19:30	Tom^	NetSysFire: not notoriously, hilariously.
2023-09-11 20:19:32	demonicmaniac1	NetSysFire: yes
2023-09-11 20:19:41	lod	oh sorry 
2023-09-11 20:19:53	Tom^	but it depends a bit, the more templates and similiar shenanigans you use the more it piles on
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2023-09-11 20:20:04	NetSysFire	do you have any source? mainly because i might add this to the wiki
2023-09-11 20:20:06	BrainDamage	NetSysFire: incredibly so
2023-09-11 20:20:08	Tom^	code like its C but with fancy algorithms its not so bad
2023-09-11 20:20:32	demonicmaniac1	NetSysFire: anything using a class needs to include all of the class and compile all of the headers
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2023-09-11 20:20:50	demonicmaniac1	so if you have like 20 source files including 20 classes in seperate headers you get 20x20 header compilations
2023-09-11 20:21:08	demonicmaniac1	templates just make it infinitely worse
2023-09-11 20:21:24	NetSysFire	i'd really like that with sauce
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2023-09-11 20:22:03	NetSysFire	i believe you but this is something i struggled with and you likely know a good and reliable source as a reference
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2023-09-11 20:23:25	mmt47	MrElendig i think it's single threaded as i can read every single line
2023-09-11 20:23:26	NetSysFire	would potentially fit somewhere along https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debugging/Getting_traces#LTO
2023-09-11 20:23:28	phrik	Title: Debugging/Getting traces - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-11 20:23:43	Tom^	well not exactly a reliable source i guess but i spent some time fiddling with kwinft a fork of kwin that refactors the code to use wlroots and new C++ features. after some heavy template things got added i cant build it with 32gb ram with -j16 anymore
2023-09-11 20:23:48	NetSysFire	mmt47: multi-threaded != some lines arent displayed
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2023-09-11 20:24:12	mmt47	NetSysFire -j12 lines goes very fast
2023-09-11 20:24:22	mmt47	or even -j8
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2023-09-11 20:24:55	cfoch	Helo. I have just installed archlinux on a VM, but after rebooting, I see the grub console. What may have I done wrong?
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2023-09-11 20:25:09	MrElendig	forgot to write a grub.cfg
2023-09-11 20:25:10	mmt47	every line is displayed obviously but when it's fast you won't be able to keep up
2023-09-11 20:25:19	MrElendig	cfoch: ^ or generate one
2023-09-11 20:25:40	MrElendig	cfoch: sidenote: systemd-boot is nicer
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2023-09-11 20:25:43	cfoch	IDK how to use grub console
2023-09-11 20:25:55	MrElendig	grub docs tells you how
2023-09-11 20:26:01	cfoch	How can I enter to the live cd again?
2023-09-11 20:26:06	demonicmaniac1	NetSysFire: i don't have a source of the top of my head but for example templates are compile time calculations and in memory instancing - and can be nested. so if you have a template involving a template inside you can recurse easily to like 256 brand new 'functions' added before actual compiling starts eating all cpu and memory heh
2023-09-11 20:26:12	MrElendig	same way as you booted to it the first time
2023-09-11 20:26:26	MrElendig	attach it to the vm, set the boot order to cd first
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2023-09-11 20:27:54	mmt47	MrElendig so if i stop the compilation, will makepkg continue where it left off or is it going to start over?
2023-09-11 20:28:23	cfoch	https://paste.centos.org/view/82a58b9a
2023-09-11 20:28:25	phrik	Title: Untitled - Pastebin Service (at paste.centos.org)
2023-09-11 20:28:29	cfoch	this is my libvirt config
2023-09-11 20:28:39	MrElendig	may or may pick it up depending on what flags you used etc
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2023-09-11 20:32:13	mmt47	MrElendig it started from scratch :(
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2023-09-11 20:40:16	demonicmaniac1	NetSysFire: tl;dr - c has pretty much an upper memory bound for each .c compilation, c++ does not. not every c++ will use 1gb per thread but you can get up to 4gb per thread easily
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2023-09-11 20:40:38	Tom^	demonicmaniac1: i recall something about headers being recursive too if they implent the class or uses templates. meaning any base class with like 5 subclasses and one includes the templates its gonna be in ram 5 times just there, and if threaded -jX recursing even further into things including the subclasses/baseclasses depending on the step the compiler is on. bleh hard to explain in words
2023-09-11 20:40:43	MrElendig	and gold/ldd will eat all the ram ever
2023-09-11 20:40:52	MrElendig	during linking
2023-09-11 20:40:53	Tom^	im soon making a paint pictures with lines!
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2023-09-11 20:41:02	demonicmaniac1	Tom^: yup
2023-09-11 20:41:18	⚡ 	MrElendig managed to oom 64gb of ram when building firefox
2023-09-11 20:41:31	demonicmaniac1	you can easily oom any compiler with 1 line .cpp
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2023-09-11 20:43:03	demonicmaniac1	MrElendig: didnt they manage to reduce lto mem insanity with 11 or 12? thought i read something
2023-09-11 20:43:27	Tom^	this just made me realize, amperes 128 core arm cpus are unuseable.
2023-09-11 20:43:30	Tom^	:D
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2023-09-11 20:43:48	MrElendig	Tom^: you can hook that up to 2tb of ram or something though
2023-09-11 20:44:01	susi	okayh, I wrote my own /bin/startx -- all is good now
2023-09-11 20:45:25	MrElendig	hmm can't find the max ram, but since its 8 channels and there are 512gb sticks out there...
2023-09-11 20:45:36	MrElendig	if it supports those is another matter :p
2023-09-11 20:45:55	Tom^	MrElendig: makes one wonder how much ram would be kinda "required" to run something like gentoo on a ryzen 16core 32thread system and -j($NCPU) lol
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2023-09-11 20:46:10	demonicmaniac1	Tom^: you dont compile on those anyways tho thats not what they are made for
2023-09-11 20:46:11	Tom^	32gb seems to little on 8 cores/16 threads. ive hit that wall
2023-09-11 20:46:20	◣	f_ (~f_@fases/developer/funderscore) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2023-09-11 20:46:23	MrElendig	Tom^: for heavy builds I would say 128gb
2023-09-11 20:46:34	Tom^	0xOF money :p
2023-09-11 20:46:41	MrElendig	not that expensive
2023-09-11 20:46:56	MrElendig	but it depends on what you are building of course
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2023-09-11 20:47:10	MrElendig	and if you use mold or not :p
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2023-09-11 20:48:20	MrElendig	128gb of ddr5 is just 350-400 bucks
2023-09-11 20:48:52	Tom^	MrElendig: with the SEK soon reaching the value of rubles you can 2x that
2023-09-11 20:49:10	MrElendig	downside is slower speeds with most of those configs, since you would generally do 4x32gb
2023-09-11 20:49:20	demonicmaniac1	Tom^: i'd just always set it to -j(MemAvailableinG) for each new package build
2023-09-11 20:49:23	MrElendig	Tom^: snorwegian price including 25% vat
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2023-09-11 20:49:37	MrElendig	Tom^: 32gb corsair dominator is ~1000nok
2023-09-11 20:49:46	MrElendig	vengance*
2023-09-11 20:51:34	demonicmaniac1	Tom^: get a cheap optane while they still throw them out for cheap discontinued, have 256gb of decently fast swap :D
2023-09-11 20:51:53	MrElendig	Tom^: https://www.computersalg.se/i/5430384/memory-corsair-corsair-ddr5-32gb-5200-cl-40-dominator-platinum-black-dual-kit-cor
2023-09-11 20:51:57	MrElendig	even cheaper
2023-09-11 20:52:19	MrElendig	oh wait lol website is fucked
2023-09-11 20:52:34	Tom^	MrElendig: isnt that site that scams people and even orders from alibaba directly to the customers
2023-09-11 20:52:38	Tom^	iirc
2023-09-11 20:52:40	demonicmaniac1	can find the h10 256gb optane for like 80€
2023-09-11 20:52:50	MrElendig	cumputersalg is legit
2023-09-11 20:53:02	MrElendig	but apparently they messed up the description
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2023-09-11 20:55:03	MrElendig	anyway, swedish prices seems to be similar to the norwegian ones
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2023-09-11 20:55:30	MrElendig	so, go to norway and buy it there to abuse the exchange rate :D
2023-09-11 20:56:09	kulak	archinstall makes life so much easier, especially if saving configuration when need to re-apply
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2023-09-11 20:56:45	Tom^	MrElendig: 3000SEK in diesel for that :D
2023-09-11 20:57:00	Tom^	gonna have to bring you some butter to make a profit LOL
2023-09-11 20:57:21	MrElendig	bike!
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2023-09-11 20:58:12	kulak	what's the best command to run to see "possibly missing hardware" messages again?
2023-09-11 20:58:53	jelle	missing hardware?
2023-09-11 20:59:25	demonicmaniac1	i'd assume missing firmware for hardware during mkinitcpio
2023-09-11 20:59:25	MrElendig	kulak: misread and it actually said possibly missing firmware ?
2023-09-11 20:59:32	MrElendig	while running mkinitcpio ?
2023-09-11 20:59:38	kulak	it scrolled to fast
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2023-09-11 21:00:02	kulak	yes, it is missing firmware message
2023-09-11 21:00:12	MrElendig	shift-pgup
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2023-09-11 21:00:19	MrElendig	but they are generally safe to ignore
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2023-09-11 21:00:52	Tom^	if they annoy you there is a couple aur packages that installs those firmwares that silences it
2023-09-11 21:01:30	Tom^	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mkinitcpio-firmware
2023-09-11 21:01:35	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - mkinitcpio-firmware (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-09-11 21:01:36	ariadnavigo	kulak: check /var/log/pacman.log
2023-09-11 21:01:54	jelle	Tom^: wat
2023-09-11 21:01:54	◥	hollowman (~hollowman@openSUSE/member/hollowman) has joined #archlinux
2023-09-11 21:01:55	ariadnavigo	(if this is from an update that is)
2023-09-11 21:02:08	Tom^	jelle: oi
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2023-09-11 21:02:49	kulak	my brand new install crashed, I can't capture error message from console (don't know how).    error: unresolvable package conflicts detected: pipewire-alsa and pulseaudio-alsa are in conflict
2023-09-11 21:03:04	ℹ 	damo es conocido ahora como P5092
2023-09-11 21:03:08	kulak	I chose to install gnome with pipewire in archinstall
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2023-09-11 21:03:36	MrElendig	!rs
2023-09-11 21:03:38	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
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2023-09-11 21:04:34	kulak	If I could capture output of archinstall, I would have no problem sending it.
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2023-09-11 21:05:24	jelle	archinstall keeps a log
2023-09-11 21:05:40	raku_cat	kulak: take a pic w/ your mobile?
2023-09-11 21:05:54	raku_cat	Or a 3ds perhaps?:thinking:
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2023-09-11 21:06:26	kulak	it is ok, I decided to install without audio selected and let gnome dependencies to take care of things
2023-09-11 21:07:07	ariadnavigo	I guess gnome just likes pulseaudio better than pipewire
2023-09-11 21:07:19	jelle	no, gnome wants pipewire
2023-09-11 21:07:25	ariadnavigo	oh
2023-09-11 21:07:29	jelle	everything should use pipewire these days
2023-09-11 21:07:43	kulak	I thought I selected pipewire
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2023-09-11 21:11:20	kulak	yes, I checked.  I selected pipewire. Just restarted the whole process
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2023-09-11 21:13:07	mkoskar	susi: hmm, I have own startx too and this is regarding auth, https://0x0.st/Hfv4.txt iirc it's pretty much same what regular startx does
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2023-09-11 21:13:50	mkoskar	cookies is `cookie=$(mcookie)`
2023-09-11 21:13:54	mkoskar	*cookie
2023-09-11 21:14:11	susi	my startx looks like this now: http://ix.io/4G4D
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2023-09-11 21:16:32	mkoskar	┐(ツ)┌ if it works
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2023-09-11 21:17:39	mkoskar	I thought it's needed to add it to local xauthority too, but otoh I've never bothered to delve into it, more/less copied the logic in startx
2023-09-11 21:18:39	mkoskar	owait you have same file as user's XAUTHORITY and server's -auth
2023-09-11 21:20:04	kulak	ok, I installed gnome, but that did not start the desktop environment :(
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2023-09-11 21:20:18	MrElendig	installing it doesn't do anything
2023-09-11 21:20:36	MrElendig	arch doesn't automagically start gnome just because you installed it
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2023-09-11 21:21:13	MrElendig	oh you used archinstall?
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2023-09-11 21:21:34	MrElendig	what happens exactly when you boot? and what gfx card is this?
2023-09-11 21:21:37	polarian	kulak: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNOME
2023-09-11 21:21:38	phrik	Title: GNOME - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-11 21:21:47	polarian	the Arch Wiki has everything you need for this
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2023-09-11 21:23:59	kulak	I used archinstall and then put gnome into packages.
2023-09-11 21:24:13	susi	mkoskar: yes, but do you think it's a problem?
2023-09-11 21:24:55	kulak	according to wiki I forgot to enable gdm.service
2023-09-11 21:25:09	MrElendig	archinstall should have done that for you
2023-09-11 21:25:19	thingfish	kulak: did you ever run systemctl enable gdm.service?
2023-09-11 21:25:26	thingfish	no archinstall doesn't do that.
2023-09-11 21:25:30	kulak	yes, that was it
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2023-09-11 21:25:43	kulak	happy customer :)
2023-09-11 21:25:43	MrElendig	I said it should have
2023-09-11 21:25:47	thingfish	:)
2023-09-11 21:26:27	kulak	I tried NixOS on my laptop.  It lasted less than 24 hours.  I realized I can't get visual studio code extensions easily...
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2023-09-11 21:27:06	MrElendig	kulak: flatpak vscode, problem solved
2023-09-11 21:27:21	MrElendig	unless you are fine with a more limited selection of extensions
2023-09-11 21:27:41	MrElendig	quite a few are hardcoded to only work on the official code builds :/
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2023-09-11 21:28:57	susi	mkoskar: they used to have the same cookie anyways, and this is a single-user system and no remote access wanted
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2023-09-11 21:28:59	kulak	I don't want to go too out of topic.  NixOS is a very nice idea, but user land is tough.
2023-09-11 21:29:25	kulak	so, I decided I will get most of NixOS with BTRFS on root.
2023-09-11 21:30:28	polarian	kulak: this is off topic, and in general I recommend reading the archwiki before asking for help :)
2023-09-11 21:30:36	◣	rany (~rany@user/rany) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2023-09-11 21:30:40	polarian	MrElendig: Nah I object, flatpak is bad!
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2023-09-11 21:32:16	polarian	code (code-oss) in the official repos is open source without the proprietary extensions or repository, you can get the proprietary vscode with all its extensions and the microsoft extension repository from the AUR: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/visual-studio-code-bin
2023-09-11 21:32:19	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - visual-studio-code-bin (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-09-11 21:32:51	MrElendig	kulak: pretty sure vscode is available in nix too
2023-09-11 21:33:45	◣	igemnace (~ian@user/igemnace) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
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2023-09-12 20:46:53	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-09-12 20:46:53	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1378 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1377 regular)
2023-09-12 11:34:59	susi	invra: install linux-zen-headers too
2023-09-12 11:39:30	invra	susi:i get the same error
2023-09-12 11:39:36	invra	after installing the headers
2023-09-12 11:41:15	susi	linux-zen does not have matching nvidia-zen packages... so maybe you need DKMS, but I don't know nothing about it
2023-09-12 11:54:21	nortega	invra: have you tried installing the nvidia dkms?
2023-09-12 11:54:30	⚡ 	nortega uses NVidia.
2023-09-12 11:55:10	nortega	Please install that first.
2023-09-12 11:56:28	nortega	If you need help, you can look at the NVidia page on the ArchWiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA
2023-09-12 11:56:30	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-12 11:56:59	invra	i will try niw
2023-09-12 11:57:01	invra	now
2023-09-12 12:01:18	nortega	Make sure you're installing the correct drivers.
2023-09-12 12:17:51	susi	nortega: check the DKMS article @ wiki
2023-09-12 12:22:22	nortega	susi: I'm not the one with the issue.
2023-09-12 12:22:44	nortega	For me everything's working just fine.
2023-09-12 12:23:19	susi	yeah, it was meant to invra 
2023-09-12 12:23:39	invra	susi:thank you i think i solved, need to reboot to see
2023-09-12 12:24:14	nortega	gl
2023-09-12 12:54:02	jclsn	How can I make makepkg use curl -n when pulling packages from a REST API?
2023-09-12 12:54:25	jclsn	The -n argument is for using credentials from the .netrc file
2023-09-12 12:58:11	gromit	jclsn: hmm that sounds a bit weird, what is the package? 
2023-09-12 12:58:23	gromit	jclsn: you could use DLAGENTS
2023-09-12 12:58:53	rcf	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Nonfree_applications_package_guidelines#Custom_DLAGENTS
2023-09-12 12:58:54	phrik	Title: Nonfree applications package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-12 12:58:54	jclsn	gromit: It is a private package registry
2023-09-12 12:58:58	jclsn	Thanks
2023-09-12 13:01:23	jclsn	Nice, works like a charm
2023-09-12 13:06:47	proJM	!paste
2023-09-12 13:06:48	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-09-12 13:08:40	Namarrgon	they're stealing our facts!
2023-09-12 13:09:10	gromit	Namarrgon: small correction
2023-09-12 13:09:16	gromit	!give Namarrgon facts
2023-09-12 13:09:17	phrik	Namarrgon: lies
2023-09-12 13:10:03	Namarrgon	it's a very vague line, i admit
2023-09-12 13:28:11	neko2	heya all. so I've been playing around with wireless virtual interfaces (via iw interface add) so I can run an access point from my machine at the same time as connecting to the local ISP wifi router. mine is unfortunately one of those where iw list reports '#channels <= 1' under 'valid interface combinations', which is a bit limiting. examples of other wifi cards exist if one googles around the
2023-09-12 13:28:11	neko2	subject, 
2023-09-12 13:28:18	neko2	but does anyone know of a more comprehensive database of this data anywhere? (so I could e.g. search for 'cards/adapters that support more than one channel')
2023-09-12 13:28:46	neko2	(I'm also trying to think if there'd be a specific project chat I could go to that's more linux wireless specific to ask the same, but I don't have any leads)
2023-09-12 13:32:22	NetSysFire	you may have luck searching for its pci/usb id with quotes in your search engine to get some data. the id is pretty specific
2023-09-12 13:33:04	neko2	NetSysFire: I don't wish to query 'does this card do X', I wish to query 'show me all cards that have X'
2023-09-12 13:33:20	NetSysFire	hmm i misread
2023-09-12 13:33:45	⚡ 	NetSysFire wonders if linux-hardware.org has filtering for specific wifi card features
2023-09-12 13:33:46	neko2	(but it's a little tricky to phrase it right to google, because this is seemingly isn't documented a whole lot... unless there is a db site that I am missing, thus my question)
2023-09-12 13:34:46	polarian	hey NetSysFire 
2023-09-12 13:34:57	polarian	wait wrong channel
2023-09-12 13:35:15	NetSysFire	would you stop annoying me, thanks
2023-09-12 13:35:20	neko2	NetSysFire: that said, I just tried "AX210 interface combinations" just now, which led me to a keyword which is I guess a subset of what I want ('dual-band, dual concurrent' roughly meaning 'can operate 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios independently'. this isn't quite the same as two free-form channels, but I could live with that)
2023-09-12 13:35:43	polarian	NetSysFire: #archlinux-wiki 
2023-09-12 13:37:24	neko2	admittedly, it looks like a far easier solution would be 'get a cheap smol usb adapter and use that as the AP interface', though that is highly annoying on a laptop with limited port resources
2023-09-12 13:43:07	pulsar12	my wine applications that use sound stopped working after upgrading alsa-lib from 1.2.9 to 1.2.10. anyone can confirm?
2023-09-12 13:43:53	NetSysFire	maybe #winehq can
2023-09-12 13:48:36	rcf	pulsar12: in a moment 
2023-09-12 13:50:58	rcf	neko2: hubs and dongles are the way of life for the modern laptop. 
2023-09-12 13:52:15	neko2	rcf: hmm... at least framework had the right idea with those modules, so at least they live inside the bounding box of the laptop chassis
2023-09-12 13:52:27	rcf	neko2: adafruit (used to?) sell a USB hub with integrated wireless adapter to make it slightly less obnoxious. 
2023-09-12 13:54:29	pulec	anybody using video editing software like kdenlive and have experience with davinci resolve?
2023-09-12 13:56:03	pulec	before anybody shoots [anybody] my question is how the heck do you make davinci resolve work? it seems to accept very narrow media
2023-09-12 13:56:14	pulec	like anything h264 is NOPE
2023-09-12 13:56:18	pulec	at least in free version
2023-09-12 13:56:48	rcf	neko2: and of course for those of us who don’t care about style, duct tape will solve most problems. It’s like people with stickers on their laptops…. But thicker, and functional
2023-09-12 13:58:01	neko2	rcf: wrt hubs, alas I am stuck in only type-A port land. this means the power availability if I start having to use hubs goes down. (no type-C PD hubs here)
2023-09-12 13:58:30	neko2	context: if the clock reset date of the firmware is anything to go by, this laptop was manufactured in 2013
2023-09-12 13:58:40	neko2	(yes, I am aware it is high time for an upgrade, but money)
2023-09-12 13:59:40	BrainDamage	my hw gets upgraded when it falls apart
2023-09-12 14:00:28	neko2	BrainDamage: well, this one _nearly_ fell apart, but because it was made back in an era where things were held together with reasonable fasteners (e.g. screws and reasonable clips, not glue or things that need a spudger to get apart) it's been able to be repaired over time
2023-09-12 14:01:21	neko2	I do have a promise to myself that if I ever get a ship of theseus situation (I have replaced everything in the system, thus it is not the original any more for the sake of this discussion), then I get new HW there and then, even if it tanks my savings heavily
2023-09-12 14:03:01	neko2	so far the palmrest and keyboard are replaced, as is the HDD (is now an SSD), the memory, and the optical bay became a very handy 2.5" hotswap caddy. (wish I should shove usb stuff in there tbh)
2023-09-12 14:03:35	neko2	so if I had to replace the display, motherboard (heck the bottom chassis would just be whatever at that point) then that'd be "right, end of the road, we upgrade now"
2023-09-12 14:08:34	rcf	neko2: if your goal is to replace the internal NIC, there may be issues with firmware whitelisting 
2023-09-12 14:12:20	neko2	rcf: well tbh, looking around for that keyword I learned (DBDC) it appears the options wouldn't fit anyway. (full-length mPCIe, only half length will fit)
2023-09-12 14:13:12	polarian	Can I ask an arch oper a question? Is any of the opers willing to talk to me?
2023-09-12 14:13:22	polarian	I have a question...
2023-09-12 14:13:59	polarian	rcf: when you going to apply for TU :P
2023-09-12 14:15:33	rcf	neko2: well, if you're stuck with the USB solution and are worried about power, which I was on my awful chromebook: tee the charging cable, add a suitably-beefy 5V regulator (car charger circuits often work well enough here, with caveats), use hub with power input.
2023-09-12 14:16:30	rcf	Awkward as all hell? Yes. Let me run basically whatever I wanted? Also yes. 
2023-09-12 14:18:59	rcf	If you're financially constrained or just a weirdo about using systems far beyond their intended use case, those are the sorts of choices you must make. 
2023-09-12 14:19:34	neko2	rcf: now I'm curious as to whether I can get reverse power out of the DC jack when unplugged (I doubt it)
2023-09-12 14:19:58	neko2	maybe the battery lines... eh
2023-09-12 14:20:09	rcf	Almost certainly not. But you wouldn't want to. 
2023-09-12 14:20:44	rcf	If mobile operation is required, a simple power bank is preferred. 
2023-09-12 14:21:07	rcf	Much less likely to cause serious damage and/or fire 
2023-09-12 14:34:26	daox	If I'd look over to buy a decent laptop for arch now, does anyone recommends anything ?
2023-09-12 14:40:19	Luckyman8762	how can ppl recommend something if they don't know your budget, use case etc?
2023-09-12 14:47:45	demonicmaniac1	2013 isn't old! writing from my t430
2023-09-12 14:48:46	rcf	polarian: I would strongly advise more parsimonious communications, particularly if nothing in the situation has changed. 
2023-09-12 14:49:18	demonicmaniac1	neko2: that channels thing means it can only act as repeater technically being on the same channel yes
2023-09-12 14:53:03	neko2	demonicmaniac1: well, not just a repeater. it's perfectly fine acting as two interfaces. but yes, I do have to arrange to have wpa_supplicant and hostapd both pick the same channel.
2023-09-12 14:53:26	neko2	it works as you'd expect otherwise. it's just the inability to channel hop on the same radio.
2023-09-12 14:54:28	demonicmaniac1	yeah
2023-09-12 14:54:51	neko2	... oh, and it has to be a 2.4ghz one, due to the NO-IR restriction on the 5ghz bands.
2023-09-12 14:55:51	demonicmaniac1	no free optional lte slot for a second wifi internally?
2023-09-12 14:56:06	neko2	nope, it wasn't that high end sadly
2023-09-12 14:56:11	polarian	rcf: what do you mean by "parsimonious"?
2023-09-12 14:56:22	NetSysFire	asking to ask
2023-09-12 14:56:26	NetSysFire	with no context
2023-09-12 14:57:05	demonicmaniac1	expresscard? :D
2023-09-12 14:57:14	neko2	demonicmaniac1: ... it's not that old
2023-09-12 14:57:15	neko2	*runs*
2023-09-12 14:57:43	neko2	it was a more... future-looking laptop but from 2013. so it has an optical bay still, but nothing like expresscard
2023-09-12 14:57:50	demonicmaniac1	odd tho? then you could put a usb wifi in there
2023-09-12 14:57:52	rcf	polarian: sparing, restrained
2023-09-12 14:58:13	rcf	Do more with less 
2023-09-12 15:00:38	polarian	hm... ok...
2023-09-12 15:01:05	rcf	In line with "don't ask to ask" and the like. 
2023-09-12 15:04:34	polarian	well every time I ask I get slammed for it 
2023-09-12 15:04:42	polarian	so I guess the moral of the story is shut up and be quiet 
2023-09-12 15:04:53	rcf	If there is something which absolutely requires the attention of ops, then they should be pinged properly. If that would yield a poor reception, the situation doesn't require it. 
2023-09-12 15:05:24	polarian	its more... reassurance which I need, not urgent support...
2023-09-12 15:17:24	NetSysFire	from observing your behavior elsewhere, i can give you reassurance you havent changed and likely got even worse
2023-09-12 15:18:20	rcf	polarian: But reassurance in what? People often seek that here. "Should I X" or "Is it a good idea to Y" are plentiful in the backlogs. As long as it's on-topic it's fine, you might even get an answer. If it's off-topic, well... I may attempt to offer it privately, but leave this channel for its intended purpose. 
2023-09-12 15:19:30	polarian	NetSysFire: this is a perfect example of how to cause drama, lets just say I nearly sent something which would have broken CoC, please will you not wind me up!
2023-09-12 15:20:48	polarian	rcf: Is it so much to ask for 5 minutes of a opers time to discuss my behaviour and also about my constant quiets and bans? it is their job after all is it not?
2023-09-12 15:21:55	xulfer	Hey all
2023-09-12 15:22:02	NetSysFire	!welcomerpg
2023-09-12 15:22:03	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you deleted your precious data today.
2023-09-12 15:23:09	xulfer	not really their job
2023-09-12 15:23:26	NetSysFire	yes it is, tell us how we can help with your data loss
2023-09-12 15:24:31	xulfer	Every problem wrt IRC can be solved with ignore.  And for the cool guys don't look at explosions effect you should do it... WITHOUT telling them.
2023-09-12 15:25:21	NetSysFire	this isnt about data loss
2023-09-12 15:25:23	NetSysFire	!bail
2023-09-12 15:25:24	phrik	Looks like NetSysFire is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2023-09-12 15:25:42	dagle	polarian: Or you start to behave and it won't be an issue?
2023-09-12 15:48:43	moldorcoder7	ho ok it was in .gtkrc-2.0 not gtk-2.0 :(
2023-09-12 15:52:41	[-_-]	Hiiiii
2023-09-12 15:52:55	[-_-]	guys, afaik btrfs has built in deduplication
2023-09-12 15:53:09	[-_-]	but but I copied the same file thrice and put it in the same folder
2023-09-12 15:53:14	[-_-]	I did not alter anything
2023-09-12 15:53:24	[-_-]	yet free space decreased
2023-09-12 15:54:03	astralc	you copied in cow mode or how it called?
2023-09-12 15:54:38	[-_-]	I copied using ranger
2023-09-12 15:54:43	[-_-]	I don't know what it used
2023-09-12 15:55:32	astralc	try from command line with `cp --reflink`
2023-09-12 15:57:11	Namarrgon	https://github.com/ranger/ranger/issues/2511
2023-09-12 15:57:11	astralc	and, single google search: https://github.com/ranger/ranger/issues/2511
2023-09-12 15:57:22	astralc	sniped by Namarrgon
2023-09-12 15:58:36	secular	df
2023-09-12 15:59:17	[-_-]	thanks astralc & Namarrgon 
2023-09-12 15:59:34	rcf	secular: doesn't work well for btrfs 
2023-09-12 16:00:50	secular	sorry that was unrelated just a coincidence
2023-09-12 16:00:53	secular	wrong terminal
2023-09-12 16:01:05	polarian	Namarrgon: but people get pissed off if you PM without asking?
2023-09-12 16:01:10	polarian	and hoe do I know which op to pm?
2023-09-12 16:01:33	secular	i was trying to figure out why i saw this in the output from df: df: /sys/firmware/efi/efivars: Invalid argument
2023-09-12 16:02:18	gehidore	pick one and it's a hazard of the job getting unsolicited pms
2023-09-12 16:04:38	EdnaLuv	TSA Delta Flight 194 Ad - Be Careful What You Eat before Your Flight! A TSA public service ad urges air passengers to be mindful of what they eat before their flight to avoid another Delta 194 diarrhea spray incident. https://justpaste.it/Delta_194_TSA/
2023-09-12 16:04:40	phrik	Title: TSA Delta Flight 194 Ad - Be Careful What You Eat before Your Flight! - JustPaste.it (at justpaste.it)
2023-09-12 16:05:47	MacGyver	!offtopic
2023-09-12 16:05:48	phrik	Take it to #archlinux-offtopic
2023-09-12 16:06:00	mefistofeles	↑
2023-09-12 16:06:15	mefistofeles	!give EdnaLuv offtopic
2023-09-12 16:06:16	phrik	EdnaLuv: Take it to #archlinux-offtopic
2023-09-12 16:06:17	mefistofeles	just in case :)
2023-09-12 16:06:23	MacGyver	Not just because it's off-topic, but also because it might actually trigger a philosophical discussion there.
2023-09-12 16:06:37	mefistofeles	MacGyver: what do you mean by philosophical though?
2023-09-12 16:06:43	MacGyver	You'll see.
2023-09-12 16:06:45	Repentinus	I suspect it was a mispaste.
2023-09-12 16:06:47	mefistofeles	In terms of epistemology every discussion is philosophical..
2023-09-12 16:06:50	mefistofeles	:P
2023-09-12 16:07:00	astralc	I suspect it was spam
2023-09-12 16:07:15	Repentinus	I thought so before checking their cloak.
2023-09-12 16:07:38	Repentinus	Oh, never mind.
2023-09-12 16:07:42	Repentinus	I misread a line.
2023-09-12 16:07:47	Repentinus	Probably spam indeed.
2023-09-12 16:08:18	EdnaLuv	It is a very important message
2023-09-12 16:12:10	another|	Since it has nothing to do with Arch it is SPAM here
2023-09-12 16:15:46	daox	Sorry if I caused the drama polarian -- do appreciate your response anyway, kinda new here, probably wasn't aware of seriousness of this channel, 
2023-09-12 16:16:41	daox	Not sure where would be a place for such message, therefore I'll just put it to the graveyard instead 
2023-09-12 16:16:54	polarian	daox: which message?
2023-09-12 16:17:50	daox	polarian: feels like it all started after me asking about a laptop for arch and then you answering about t430 
2023-09-12 16:18:19	EdnaLuv	Would Archlinux ever be used on any Delta aircraft equipment?
2023-09-12 16:18:24	institor	the subjects discussed in this channel have galactic import
2023-09-12 16:22:19	polarian	daox: I did not say that 
2023-09-12 16:22:28	polarian	you must have misread my username as someone else 
2023-09-12 16:23:03	polarian	and any drama caused is my own lack of ability to communicate, not someone elses.
2023-09-12 16:25:13	institor	please take this discussion to #archlinux-offtopic
2023-09-12 16:25:16	institor	this is a place of business
2023-09-12 16:27:07	astralc	alad used the pope hat
2023-09-12 17:00:43	laird	finally :)=
2023-09-12 17:03:08	pulec	alad++
2023-09-12 17:05:53	repo	i think there hase been a regression with rootless podman
2023-09-12 17:06:14	repo	running it now outputs: Error response from daemon: crun: write to `/proc/self/oom_score_adj`: Permission denied: OCI permission denied
2023-09-12 17:07:34	Namarrgon	pacman -Q systemd
2023-09-12 17:10:31	repo	systemd 254.3-1
2023-09-12 17:12:04	Namarrgon	https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/29032
2023-09-12 17:16:41	jelle	hehe systemd
2023-09-12 17:18:12	repo	mhm
2023-09-12 17:18:58	repo	not really sure what i should be doing to work around this. It seems to be fixed upstream at podman but not released yet.
2023-09-12 17:20:06	repo	maybe i can just downgrade crun
2023-09-12 17:20:43	Namarrgon	you can unset OOMScoreadjust in a user@.service.d drop-in
2023-09-12 17:21:10	Namarrgon	as a workaround until the next podman release
2023-09-12 17:21:23	Repentinus	jelle, seems really like a podman issue. Lennart's take in the thread is pretty reasonable.
2023-09-12 18:01:30	drew	I am building a kernel module and tested it out on my machine, but it has a memory leak and the whole machine is locking up. I am accessing it over ssh, is there any hope of it rebooting itself?
2023-09-12 18:02:59	bea	probably not
2023-09-12 18:04:55	Syntax_	Try sysrq if you can still access the terminal
2023-09-12 18:05:32	Syntax_	`echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger` to immediately reboot 
2023-09-12 18:06:25	another|	careful with that
2023-09-12 18:08:46	Syntax_	Yeah sorry I forgot to mention that. assuming you can do RESUB to do a more safe reboot. Just echo each letter individually into /proc/sysrq-trigger that will give you a more safe reboot
2023-09-12 18:16:09	drew	do I need sudo for that? I am trying just sudo reboot now but the letters are going one at a time every minute or so
2023-09-12 18:16:55	Syntax-	Yes you do need sudo to write to /proc/sysrq-trigger
2023-09-12 18:18:08	susi	https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/sysrq.html
2023-09-12 18:18:08	phrik	Title: Linux Magic System Request Key Hacks — The Linux Kernel documentation (at www.kernel.org)
2023-09-12 18:18:35	susi	I tend to do (R)SUB
2023-09-12 18:18:49	another|	hmm.. maybe removing the kernel module?
2023-09-12 18:19:14	Syntax_	Reboot Even If System Utterly Broken
2023-09-12 18:19:39	drew	I think I rmmod'ed it but it's still out of memory
2023-09-12 18:20:18	susi	maybe `f' to sysrq-trigger (to call OOM-killer)
2023-09-12 18:22:10	drew	I can't get sudo off so I might be doomed as far as trying any of those
2023-09-12 18:24:13	mmt47	how do i find commits between 6.2.16 and 6.3 kernels
2023-09-12 18:24:56	astralc	git log <tag>..<tag>
2023-09-12 18:27:45	another|	it's a bit complicated since 6.2.16 is a stable kernel with backported fixes
2023-09-12 18:30:34	another|	clone the kernel tree, add the stable repo as a remote and fetch that one as well; then `git log v6.2.16..v6.3`
2023-09-12 18:31:52	another|	assuming we're talking the vanilla kernel and not Arch specific ones
2023-09-12 18:37:36	heat	removing the kernel module will not auto-free everything it allocated
2023-09-12 18:37:51	heat	if it's leaking just reboot and don't load it again lol
2023-09-12 19:45:20	Trel	I had some issues with mandoc with search paths and whatnot, and display size.  I'm sure it's all solvable, but my overall issue with man-db goes away if I call man with LANG=c or LANG= so I just went back to that and put in an alias.  I'll look more into groff and see if that's actually a bug based on what it says it will do or just a limitation
2023-09-12 19:50:42	bitbinge	When I do cat /sys/block/nvme0n1/queue/scheduler I get [none] mq-deadline. Does that mean I can't set the I/O scheduler to BFQ?
2023-09-12 19:51:27	Namarrgon	uname -r
2023-09-12 19:52:23	bitbinge	6.1.0-11-amd64
2023-09-12 19:53:07	Namarrgon	are you in the right channel?
2023-09-12 19:53:23	susi	I get [bfq] ... out of none, mq-deadline, kyber, bfq ... should I consider setting something else for my workload?
2023-09-12 19:54:29	another|	bitbinge: Is this an Arch system?
2023-09-12 19:54:33	bitbinge	Yes, archlinux is mighty right!
2023-09-12 19:54:44	Namarrgon	that's not a kernel provided by arch
2023-09-12 19:55:03	bitbinge	Yeah, it's not.
2023-09-12 19:55:15	bitbinge	You think that's disabled in kernel?
2023-09-12 19:55:16	Namarrgon	ask for support in your distro's channel
2023-09-12 19:55:50	another|	Were did you get that kernel?
2023-09-12 19:56:34	bitbinge	Debian stable.
2023-09-12 19:57:58	another|	So is it a Debian or Arch?
2023-09-12 19:58:25	bitbinge	It's Debian, I asked over there. Let's see...
2023-09-12 20:18:43	Tigzae	Am I using vesa right now?
2023-09-12 20:19:07	Namarrgon	the built-in modesetting driver, most likely. you can look at the xorg log to confirm it
2023-09-12 20:19:27	h3ck	hey folks, i have recently updated arch and I see my /etc/X11/ directory having a rename file "xorg.conf.renamed". Also, in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory I find the gpu drivers files renamed as 30-intel.conf.rename and 20-radeon.conf.renamed . Any idea who the culprit is? Also, will removing the .rename* change anything? Or do I keep it the
2023-09-12 20:19:27	h3ck	way it is?
2023-09-12 20:19:51	Namarrgon	h3ck: that's not something arch does
2023-09-12 20:20:34	Namarrgon	all the package-provided xorg configs are in /usr
2023-09-12 20:20:56	h3ck	Namarrgon: :( my arch was unused for months so I haven't installed anything new recently
2023-09-12 20:21:17	astralc	did you used some display config application?
2023-09-12 20:21:20	Namarrgon	arch never did that; either you renamed the files or someone else did or some tool did it
2023-09-12 20:21:30	h3ck	does the .rename make them not conf  files anymore?
2023-09-12 20:22:05	astralc	yes, `man xorg.conf`
2023-09-12 20:22:12	Namarrgon	yes, they are ignored
2023-09-12 20:22:49	h3ck	thank you so much, I will investigate this further
2023-09-12 20:33:01	topcat001	pulec: Unfortunately DVR free is very codec limited. You will need to use ffmpeg to transcode for it.
2023-09-12 20:34:25	topcat001	Even the paid version on Linux does not support AAC audio. A friend uses paid on Arch.
2023-09-12 20:34:27	pulec	yeah but then even 2gig file becomes crazy 50gb at least from what I tried with wiki
2023-09-12 20:34:38	pulec	it's not like I have that much fast storage
2023-09-12 20:35:02	pulec	kdenlive or that alternative, shot in name I think
2023-09-12 20:35:09	pulec	then
2023-09-12 20:35:19	topcat001	yep that's not avoidable with the free version. The paid does support h264 and transcoding audio is less painful.
2023-09-12 20:35:25	pulec	if only AAC audio that can be converted, but the video is main part
2023-09-12 20:35:32	pulec	yup
2023-09-12 20:35:44	pulec	well let's buy davinci camera eh? :D
2023-09-12 20:36:09	pulec	thansk for reading the backlog btw
2023-09-12 20:37:44	topcat001	DVR comes free with many gadgets from Blackmagic cameras. My friend is a cinematographer using BM cameras and his copy was bundled. (And he uses Arch!)
2023-09-12 20:38:27	⚡ 	topcat001 reads backlogs obsessively :)
2023-09-12 20:39:20	topcat001	kdenlive is a very good editor if you don't need to collaborate with cinema people.
2023-09-12 20:46:54	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-12 20:51:27	pulec	nah, just doing mostly gameplay recordings and some ediitng here and there could be nice, but I try to record with obs in a way that I don't need any edits
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2023-09-12 20:52:21	pulec	I was at a 'beginner course' for davinci from local tv guy and it was pretty good, he provided some recordings, don't recall in which format, and it was within 2gb of some part that was used for tv spot
2023-09-12 20:52:24	pulec	*tv report
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2023-09-12 20:53:02	pulec	but I used work mac for that, none of my laptops is so powerful to handle video editing, and it's darn hungry task
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2023-09-12 20:55:00	pulec	ah cheapest pocket camera is just 2k eur, nice :D
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2023-09-12 20:55:18	pulec	but for ~500 eur the softwar isn't too bad, but it's mother of all weapons for my puny needs
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2023-09-12 20:55:37	pulec	shotcut might work as well
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2023-09-12 21:41:16	majuscule	I can't seem to get ssh-agent to work from within a makefile. eval "$(ssh-agent -s)" somehow turns out empty (although if I skip the eval for testing purposes, the correct output is shown). Is there something obvious that I'm missing?
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2023-09-12 21:41:49	astralc	within a makefile? why?
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2023-09-12 21:44:49	Edu4rdSHL	That's the rarest thing I've read for sure
2023-09-12 21:44:50	majuscule	because i'm using the makefile to build a project that uses multiple submodules. i am trying to create a `make update` command that runs a `git submodule update`, which without ssh-agent, requires me to enter my password way more times than is enjoyable
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2023-09-12 21:45:01	Edu4rdSHL	Trying to get ssh working on a makefile
2023-09-12 21:45:05	ℹ 	ishanjain es conocido ahora como ishan
2023-09-12 21:45:23	Edu4rdSHL	majuscule, use https for cloning then
2023-09-12 21:45:51	majuscule	these are private repositories, i'm not sure if they're even accessible over http/s
2023-09-12 21:46:17	astralc	make the agent always work as part of you env?
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2023-09-12 21:46:46	majuscule	considered that, but i generally prefer to enter my password, it's a helpful reminder of when i'm moving to another host :-/
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2023-09-13 00:07:51	mpan	Why?
2023-09-13 00:07:53	MacGyver	No, you need to rethink your life choices.
2023-09-13 00:08:09	docmax	hold on, my solution is close...
2023-09-13 00:08:17	MacGyver	If your script is so big that what I just did doesn't work, you're trying to abuse a single command to the point where it can't.
2023-09-13 00:08:32	mpan	docmax: what is your purpose? You are doing everything to impose pointless constraints on the problem.
2023-09-13 00:09:26	mpan	MacGyver: note they were already received a suggestion to simply re-run the same script in alacritty, which they also rejected for the reason that it is not their chosen solution. Just in case you didn’t read the backlog.
2023-09-13 00:09:33	mpan	have*
2023-09-13 00:09:48	MacGyver	mpan: How would you avoid infinite recursion when doing that though?
2023-09-13 00:09:53	mpan	MacGyver: env vars?
2023-09-13 00:09:58	MacGyver	Hmm.
2023-09-13 00:10:04	mpan	Or a magic parameter.
2023-09-13 00:10:19	MacGyver	I was thinking the same thing along the lines of testing a pty presence.
2023-09-13 00:10:22	mpan	Normally I would avoid that, but given they insist on having everything in a single script…
2023-09-13 00:11:18	docmax	cat << 'EOF' | alacritty bash -c - .... EOF
2023-09-13 00:11:33	docmax	why isn't this working??
2023-09-13 00:11:39	docmax	cat << 'EOF' | alacritty -e bash -c - .... EOF
2023-09-13 00:11:41	UndeadLeech	Why would it be working?
2023-09-13 00:11:42	MacGyver	Why should it work?
2023-09-13 00:11:55	docmax	because i send a script to alacritty
2023-09-13 00:12:05	docmax	"...." is the script
2023-09-13 00:12:16	UndeadLeech	You can't pipe anything into Alacritty.
2023-09-13 00:12:26	UndeadLeech	I mean you can try, but that doesn't really help.
2023-09-13 00:12:48	docmax	alacritty is expecting a file... can't i pipe a file to it?
2023-09-13 00:13:00	astralc	if [ -t 1 ]; then; <main function>; else; alacritty -e "$0"; fi
2023-09-13 00:13:16	mpan	astralc++
2023-09-13 00:15:11	docmax	#!/bin/sh
2023-09-13 00:15:11	docmax	cat << EOF | alacritty -e sh -c -
2023-09-13 00:15:11	docmax	echo "This is my script"
2023-09-13 00:15:11	docmax	sleep 3
2023-09-13 00:15:11	docmax	EOF
2023-09-13 00:15:20	MacGyver	astralc: alacritty -e $@?
2023-09-13 00:15:27	docmax	i don't understand why it's not working :-(((
2023-09-13 00:15:32	MacGyver	docmax: That much is clear.
2023-09-13 00:15:46	MacGyver	astralc: Not sure whether $@ would have unexpected behaviour though.
2023-09-13 00:15:47	astralc	MacGyver: I got it didn't had any parameters
2023-09-13 00:16:00	MacGyver	astralc: Hrrm. Not something I'd bank on.
2023-09-13 00:16:00	sos666	shouldn't it be cat << 'EOF' >> blablabla
2023-09-13 00:16:05	astralc	(because he run from file manager)
2023-09-13 00:16:33	MacGyver	Fair.
2023-09-13 00:18:09	docmax	but guys, i think you see what i want to accomplish
2023-09-13 00:18:32	MacGyver	docmax: You have, 5 minutes ago, literally been handed the solution.
2023-09-13 00:18:50	docmax	MacGyver, with a single script?
2023-09-13 00:19:00	docmax	test -t 1 ?
2023-09-13 00:19:15	joel135	hello, could you help me with my wifi?
2023-09-13 00:19:16	MacGyver	That's not what astralc typed, but yes.
2023-09-13 00:19:26	MacGyver	joel135: Possibly.
2023-09-13 00:19:39	MacGyver	joel135: We won't know until you describe the problem you're having.
2023-09-13 00:19:40	joel135	i am running hostapd on arch desktop and iwctl on arch laptop
2023-09-13 00:20:05	joel135	it used to be fast, about 10 MB/s but now it's slow, about 2 MB/s
2023-09-13 00:20:16	MacGyver	docmax: I encourage you to read my comment *before* that about testing for pty presence and look up what it actually does.
2023-09-13 00:20:22	MacGyver	docmax: Before you get unexpected behaviour.
2023-09-13 00:20:30	joel135	i tried various hostapd conf's and downgrading the laptop linux-firmware, no difference
2023-09-13 00:20:46	joel135	when i set hostapd to "require_ht=1" then the laptop doesn't connect
2023-09-13 00:21:09	joel135	so i think i need to somehow teach the laptop to do HT mode wifi again
2023-09-13 00:21:39	joel135	it says here that could give me 300 Mb/s which is of the same magnitude as what i got before https://support.metageek.com/hc/en-us/articles/202162320-WiFi-PHY-Types
2023-09-13 00:21:59	docmax	astralc, hmm the test -t 1 method seems to work
2023-09-13 00:22:13	joel135	iwctl on laptop says SupportedModes "ad-hoc station ap" when i ask "adapter phy0 show"
2023-09-13 00:23:00	joel135	the laptop is a thinkpad t470, so using "Wireless 8260" according to iwctl
2023-09-13 00:25:19	docmax	i needed alacritty -e "$0" "$1"
2023-09-13 00:43:26	joel135	laptop is the client
2023-09-13 00:45:50	joel135	wlp5s0: STA 34:41:5d:14:38:5e IEEE 802.11: Station does not support mandatory HT PHY - reject association
2023-09-13 01:15:18	joel135	my ht40allow_map does say 5180 HT40  +
2023-09-13 01:15:29	joel135	and 5180 is the current frequency used
2023-09-13 01:17:48	pulsar12	i want to do a git bisect on alsa-lib for a few commits. I guess I have to git clone and do multiple make + make install, and run some tests form wine app. But how to avoid interaction with the system package?  
2023-09-13 01:28:47	pulsar12	maybe best approach is to use PKGBUILD for each commit?
2023-09-13 01:41:53	joel135	FIXED IT :D
2023-09-13 01:42:53	joel135	it turns out i had a modprobe.d config file from earlier attempts, called "fuckintelwifi.conf". commenting out all options restored high speeds.
2023-09-13 01:43:28	joel135	i guess i'll have to bisect what options are good and what options are detrimental at some later point. for now it is optimal on the current network.
2023-09-13 01:44:24	joel135	now i get a nice 145 Mb/s down speed on speedtest.net
2023-09-13 01:44:54	joel135	i also enabled some extra HT capabilities on my AP, namely: ht_capab=[HT20][HT40-][HT40+][SHORT-GI-20][SHORT-GI-40][TX-STBC][DSSS_CCK-40][PSMP]
2023-09-13 01:45:10	joel135	they seem to have made my android phone's network speed faster as well
2023-09-13 01:45:28	joel135	almost as high
2023-09-13 04:15:11	abby	If i'm trying to sign in/sign up to the arch SSO with github oauth, what am I supposed to enter on this screen https://p.qrm.cat/XVXC41.png ? this is after putting in my email, username, and the pacman captcha
2023-09-13 04:38:06	jb1277976	is arch lighter then lubuntu ? im trying lubuntu on this laptop and its slow
2023-09-13 04:38:23	jb1277976	i would think arch is lighter epsecially vanialla arch right?
2023-09-13 04:39:40	MortimerHoughton	jb1277976: arch is as light as you make it
2023-09-13 04:40:01	jb1277976	Thanks downloading the torrent right now
2023-09-13 04:40:19	MortimerHoughton	within limits.  A 32 bit system would be lighter than a 64, but arch stopped making a 32 bit offering some years back
2023-09-13 04:40:36	jb1277976	i just want a base system with i3-wm volume screen recorder capabilites connect to wifi etc..
2023-09-13 04:41:17	MortimerHoughton	You can do i3, but there are lighter window managers, especially if you aren't going to be utilizing the tiling feature much
2023-09-13 04:42:37	jb1277976	MortimerHoughton: i will be using tilting all the time. i love stacking windows smaller and taller ones
2023-09-13 04:43:26	MortimerHoughton	That's fine.  If you decide to use wayland, sway is more or less a drop-in replacement for i3
2023-09-13 04:43:45	MortimerHoughton	Although I don't know if it would be lighter than X11+i3
2023-09-13 04:44:04	jb1277976	ok bbl Thanks
2023-09-13 05:41:26	genji	https://imgur.com/a/1nDZHgA
2023-09-13 05:41:27	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2023-09-13 05:41:31	genji	friends, im so confused
2023-09-13 05:42:47	Edu4rdSHL	genji, pacman -Syu git
2023-09-13 05:42:50	Edu4rdSHL	:)
2023-09-13 05:43:44	genji	you are dope, thanks very much, no clue what or why that is, butg AHHHH
2023-09-13 05:43:54	genji	https://imgur.com/a/UiWantd
2023-09-13 05:44:26	Edu4rdSHL	Because your package databases were out of sync
2023-09-13 05:44:29	Edu4rdSHL	:)
2023-09-13 05:45:27	genji	it didn't work though, and now i see this unfortunately
2023-09-13 05:45:28	genji	https://imgur.com/a/rSejTZk
2023-09-13 05:45:29	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2023-09-13 05:45:37	genji	Sorry, I tried posting that above and the upload failed
2023-09-13 05:45:43	genji	It ended up erroring out
2023-09-13 05:46:18	Edu4rdSHL	You need to update your mirrorlist
2023-09-13 05:46:22	Edu4rdSHL	500 is a server error
2023-09-13 05:46:36	Edu4rdSHL	Or just try again
2023-09-13 06:07:03	ryzenda	lol what? `lspci -vv` shows an error output: pcilib: sysfs_read_vpd: read failed: No such device ---- and I just noticed this error appears on two different computers running archlinux
2023-09-13 06:10:56	Edu4rdSHL	ryzenda, which kernel
2023-09-13 06:13:43	ryzenda	Edu4rdSHL, Linux m18 6.5.2-arch1-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Wed, 06 Sep 2023 21:01:01 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2023-09-13 06:14:08	Edu4rdSHL	Give us the full output
2023-09-13 06:14:17	Edu4rdSHL	Of the lspci command, I mean
2023-09-13 06:15:53	ryzenda	Edu4rdSHL, sure, but also one other thing I noticed is that `lspci` takes 12+ seconds to show output on a new laptop I just got and I'm setting up. but that's a separate issue.
2023-09-13 06:17:14	ryzenda	Edu4rdSHL, https://dpaste.org/543yZ
2023-09-13 06:17:17	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HfU_.txt
2023-09-13 06:17:18	phrik	Title: dpaste/543yZ (Plain Text) (at dpaste.org)
2023-09-13 06:18:28	Edu4rdSHL	Seems to be a kernel issue trying to get a capability that the device doesn't have
2023-09-13 06:18:39	Edu4rdSHL	But it doesn't affect anything
2023-09-13 07:00:18	vimflyer	I'm trying to install Arch Linux onto a new image from a QEMU VM, following the guide. pacstrap fails, initially with "warning: Public keyring not found; have you run 'pacman-key --init'?" I run that command and retry pacstrap, which then says every package signature is of "unknown trust" and is corrupted and automatically deletes them all.
2023-09-13 07:01:14	vimflyer	I looked online for people with this problem but I only found other Arch Linux users with an existing install, and they solved it by installing or updating different keyring packages.
2023-09-13 07:06:12	Edu4rdSHL	vimflyer, which ISO are you using
2023-09-13 07:06:48	vimflyer	Edu4rdSHL: I was using last months, so I retried it with the most recent one, archlinux-2023.09.01-x86_64.iso, and the problem still happened.
2023-09-13 07:07:31	vimflyer	As it stands the most basic part of the installation guide is apparently nonfunctional. This is from within a QEMU VM and I verified the system clock is correct so I don't see how this wouldn't be reproducible.
2023-09-13 07:08:05	Edu4rdSHL	Which exact command are you running
2023-09-13 07:08:09	Edu4rdSHL	Which part of the guide
2023-09-13 07:08:13	vimflyer	pacstrap -K base linux
2023-09-13 07:08:22	vimflyer	Step 2.2.
2023-09-13 07:08:41	cedb	wheres that new image?
2023-09-13 07:08:48	vimflyer	Oh whoops, pacstrap -K /mnt base linux (I did it correctly in the VM).
2023-09-13 07:09:02	cedb	lol
2023-09-13 07:16:19	vimflyer	Well, this is a first. I've installed many Linux distributions but I can't even get started with this. I can't find information online, the guide provides nothing, the man page has nothing, and IRC chat has nothing.
2023-09-13 07:17:13	vimflyer	To reiterate I cannot install Arch Linux, because pacstrap, effectively the first step in Arch Linux installation, fails saying that every key signature is of "unknown trust" and therefore removes all downloaded packages before installing anything.
2023-09-13 07:21:48	Edu4rdSHL	vimflyer, weird, I just tested and it worked here
2023-09-13 07:22:17	Edu4rdSHL	> I can't find information online, the guide provides nothing, the man page has nothing, and IRC chat has nothing.
2023-09-13 07:22:25	Edu4rdSHL	Because it just works, except for you :p
2023-09-13 07:23:09	vimflyer	An unfortunate situation indeed! Normally you can get into the base system and debug it from there, but since I can't install any packages I'm not sure how to proceed.
2023-09-13 07:23:20	vimflyer	Did you install it in QEMU even, out of curiosity?
2023-09-13 07:23:25	Edu4rdSHL	Yes, QEMU
2023-09-13 07:23:37	Edu4rdSHL	Does it works if you use archinstall ?
2023-09-13 07:23:53	vimflyer	What is archinstall?
2023-09-13 07:24:35	vimflyer	Oh, a text UI installer it seems. Worth giving it a shot I suppose.
2023-09-13 07:24:40	Edu4rdSHL	!give vimflyer aw archinstall
2023-09-13 07:24:41	phrik	vimflyer: Archinstall - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Archinstall
2023-09-13 07:24:52	Edu4rdSHL	vimflyer, plus, it's officially supported by ArchLinux
2023-09-13 07:25:35	institor	!fixkeyring2
2023-09-13 07:25:36	phrik	If your keyring issue hasn't been fixed yet, try: rm -rf /etc/pacman.d/gnupg && pacman-key --init && pacman-key --populate && pacman-key --refresh-keys
2023-09-13 07:26:12	Edu4rdSHL	institor, that doesn't matter here, it's a new installation
2023-09-13 07:27:32	institor	Edu4rdSHL: i saw this problem in this channel already a few days ago
2023-09-13 07:27:46	institor	2023-09-11 16:30:23 genji https://imgur.com/Bwrvgbg
2023-09-13 07:27:47	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2023-09-13 07:27:52	institor	2023-09-11 16:30:30 genji What causes these errors at pacstrap time?
2023-09-13 07:28:17	institor	2023-09-11 16:37:43 Namarrgon no, just redo the keyring like i decribed above
2023-09-13 07:28:43	vimflyer	institor: That is indeed the same issue.
2023-09-13 07:29:48	institor	2023-09-11 16:43:52 genji https://imgur.com/wkYlM9P
2023-09-13 07:29:49	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2023-09-13 07:29:54	institor	2023-09-11 16:44:04 genji I did these successfully then, is this right?
2023-09-13 07:30:01	institor	2023-09-11 16:44:11 Namarrgon looks good
2023-09-13 07:30:26	vimflyer	institor: I ran your commands and there are a few problems.
2023-09-13 07:30:41	vimflyer	You cannot remove /etc/pacman.d/gnupg on the live CD because it's mounted to tmpfs, however I did delete everything in it.
2023-09-13 07:31:25	institor	does pacman-key --populate work?
2023-09-13 07:31:33	vimflyer	pacman-key --init appears to work, however pacman-key --populate fails with "ERROR: There is no secret key available to sign with. ==> Use 'pacman-key --init' to generate a default secret key."
2023-09-13 07:35:30	vimflyer	I went back to archinstall and observed some unusual behavior that has given me a hunch.
2023-09-13 07:35:46	vimflyer	This might be because I have UDP/NTP blocked on my host system.
2023-09-13 07:36:11	vimflyer	The system clock of the VM is correct so I don't know why this would be relevant but I can try unblocking it.
2023-09-13 07:44:01	vimflyer	HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2023-09-13 07:44:10	vimflyer	Arch Linux sucks. It was because I had NTP blocked.
2023-09-13 07:44:23	vimflyer	iptables -A OUTPUT -p udp --dport 123 -j ACCEPT
2023-09-13 07:46:26	vimflyer	Edu4rdSHL: Thank you for the tip to use archinstall. When navigating through the menu I opened the "Time" submenu (or whatever it's called) and it seemingly hung my entire VM. From that I suspected it's because it was doing something very funky when outgoing UDP/123 packets were dropped. Knowing that not many people have that configuration I allowed it in my firewall and everything worked.
2023-09-13 07:46:57	Edu4rdSHL	!give vimflyer as
2023-09-13 07:46:58	phrik	vimflyer: Arch Sucks™
2023-09-13 07:47:01	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2023-09-13 07:47:19	vimflyer	Hahaha, respect.
2023-09-13 07:51:02	Trel	Weird that UDP packets could cause that seeing as there's no expectation of a reply.
2023-09-13 07:52:01	vimflyer	I agree, it is weird and seems like a bug. I would be interested to know more about why it happens.
2023-09-13 08:14:54	jb1277976	im on vanialla arch and its very clean and fast.
2023-09-13 08:15:05	jb1277976	s/vanialla/vanilla/
2023-09-13 08:30:39	genji	I do all my installs from plain arch and via the arch wiki so I don't miss anything
2023-09-13 08:31:23	genji	I was used to nothing but debian/ubuntu previously and only tried arch after a persistent user insisted I do, and I'll say, in the beginning I HATED it and didn't understand at all why anyone would recommend it
2023-09-13 08:31:38	genji	but now that i've got a bunch of them running i am a believer
2023-09-13 08:32:47	genji	I haven't installed another debian OS since
2023-09-13 08:45:18	jb1277976	How can i get right click with two fingers to work? using xfce4 new arch install using an e5-575 isn't it an xorg package?
2023-09-13 08:48:15	ryzenda	In https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_games springlobby is listed twice, once for Kernel Panic, and again for Spring:1944
2023-09-13 08:48:15	phrik	Title: List of games - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-13 08:49:05	genji	https://imgur.com/QujJOsL
2023-09-13 08:49:06	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2023-09-13 08:49:39	genji	things gone a bit bonkers
2023-09-13 08:49:49	genji	do I need to install something pre-emptively for PIA ?
2023-09-13 08:53:20	⚡ 	cloudowind greets everyone
2023-09-13 08:54:45	Edu4rdSHL	genji, nope, I'm checking the PKGBUILD and .install files, no idea where awk is called (it does have some grep's but not awk calls)
2023-09-13 08:59:56	genji	https://imgur.com/evku9Tt
2023-09-13 08:59:57	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2023-09-13 09:00:07	genji	What is the issue here?  I have iproute2 installed already
2023-09-13 09:08:09	mkoskar	genji: broken pkgbuild
2023-09-13 09:14:37	genji	Oh no :(  I'm not sure why -- I didn't do any extra-curricular activity as far as I'm aware of
2023-09-13 10:06:06	teJECSke	how do i _NOT_ generate *-debug*.pkg.zst with "extra-testing-x86_64-build -c" ? I already have !debug in /etc/makepkg.conf.
2023-09-13 10:11:13	teJECSke	??? /usr/share/devtools/makepkg.conf.d/x86_64.conf
2023-09-13 10:11:58	grawity	makepkg.conf is for regular makepkg; isn't the whole point of devtools' *-build scripts that they build stuff specifically according to standard Arch rules?
2023-09-13 10:16:00	Foxboron	grawity: Yes
2023-09-13 10:16:07	Foxboron	(But i suspect it was rethorical)
2023-09-13 10:55:47	teJECSke	eta for 6.5.3 ?
2023-09-13 11:20:33	susi	Unknown
2023-09-13 11:51:54	The-Compiler	teJECSke: "during September", https://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/releasing/2023-September/002995.html
2023-09-13 11:51:55	phrik	Title: [Releasing] Meeting minutes from Qt Release Team meeting 12.09.2023 (at lists.qt-project.org)
2023-09-13 11:52:53	docmax	how can i ignore packages from a specific repo? like this doesn't work:
2023-09-13 11:53:02	docmax	IgnorePkg   = chaotic-aur/qt5-styleplugins
2023-09-13 11:53:31	docmax	i need aur/qt5-styleplugins as the prefered package
2023-09-13 11:59:34	arojas	aur is not a repo. You can just IgnorePkg  = qt5-styleplugins
2023-09-13 12:05:29	docmax	but then it's not updating
2023-09-13 12:15:23	gromit	docmax: what stops you from just building and installing it via https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_User_Repository#Installing_and_upgrading_packages? 
2023-09-13 12:15:25	phrik	Title: Arch User Repository - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-13 12:25:14	docmax	gromit, i do allready. but i also have the chaotic-aur repo which includes a pre build version. that is always outdated, so i need to ignore that one from the chaotic-aur repo
2023-09-13 12:25:43	docmax	for everything else the repo is fine as i dont need to compile packages
2023-09-13 12:27:20	gromit	docmax: I dont think I understand, if its outdated its version should be lower than the locally installed so no change should be needed
2023-09-13 12:28:33	docmax	gromit, you are right, but for some reason its updating. the problem is this:
2023-09-13 12:28:35	docmax	Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (5.15.9) with this library (5.15.10)
2023-09-13 12:28:48	docmax	that is my defition of outdated
2023-09-13 12:29:14	gromit	docmax: Which command do you use for updating? 
2023-09-13 12:29:24	docmax	yay -Syu
2023-09-13 12:31:18	docmax	qt5-styleplugins: ignoring package upgrade (5.0.0.20170311-35 => 5.0.0.20170311-35.2)
2023-09-13 12:31:57	docmax	now its ignoring the chaotic-aur packages which is NOT newer
2023-09-13 12:32:52	gromit	docmax: it will only do downgrades if you specify -Syuu
2023-09-13 12:34:21	docmax	ignorePkg options should really support repo names, like repo/pkg
2023-09-13 12:34:42	docmax	thats what i need here
2023-09-13 12:34:52	gromit	docmax: Why? I thought we solved it? 
2023-09-13 12:35:33	docmax	IgnorePkg = qt5-styleplugin   this is what i have now
2023-09-13 12:35:45	docmax	this means i have to manually triger an update
2023-09-13 12:36:57	gromit	Ah I see now, I should have looked at the output more carefully .. I guess chaotic appends a .2 at the end for their custom changes, which why it is seen as an update
2023-09-13 12:37:30	docmax	gromit, so i guess a repo propem
2023-09-13 12:37:38	docmax	problem
2023-09-13 12:39:50	gromit	docmax: you could just also append the .2 to the pkgrel variable :p
2023-09-13 12:40:21	docmax	modify the aur package?
2023-09-13 12:41:26	gromit	yeah locally ... But what you also could try is to check why you are getting the "Cannot mix incompatible Qt library" in the first place 
2023-09-13 12:42:46	docmax	gromit, i get this because the is something wrong with the chaotic pkg isn't it?
2023-09-13 14:50:59	Gnana	Why archlinux mirrors slow today?
2023-09-13 14:51:51	jelle	it's wednesday
2023-09-13 14:53:31	astralc	it's a day ending with y
2023-09-13 14:53:44	MortimerHoughton	not yet
2023-09-13 14:53:56	jelle	!give Gnana mirrorstatus
2023-09-13 14:53:57	phrik	Gnana: Check the status of the mirrors here: https://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/status/
2023-09-13 14:54:16	jelle	you have been long enough to know about it
2023-09-13 14:54:21	jelle	*Been here
2023-09-13 15:03:45	hgw7	<Gnana> Why archlinux mirrors slow today?
2023-09-13 15:03:45	hgw7	if all the arch mirrors are slow, the problem does not exist with the arch mirrors
2023-09-13 15:04:52	hgw7	2degrees always works good
2023-09-13 15:05:39	Gnana	yes it was steam download
2023-09-13 15:57:32	sukhman	hey there guys, I am getting <3>CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-FAILED ret=-22 retry=1 in wpa_cli or wpa_supplicant.
2023-09-13 16:24:49	hao	hi, I have a question on sixel. now I see that tmux support sixel officially (haven't release yet, on master), suppose I use tmux inside alacritty, which doesn't support sixel, will image be displayed?
2023-09-13 16:25:53	rcf	hao: no. 
2023-09-13 16:26:15	MortimerHoughton	hao: give foot a try.  I like it as a terminal, and it works great with sixel, which I use all the time
2023-09-13 16:28:59	hao	rcf thanks. MortimerHoughton: okay, looking at it. are you the author?
2023-09-13 16:29:33	MortimerHoughton	no, just a user
2023-09-13 16:31:38	MortimerHoughton	apple's announcement event yesterday was underwhelming
2023-09-13 16:31:43	MortimerHoughton	oops, wrong channel
2023-09-13 16:32:02	gehidore	are they ever anything more than that?
2023-09-13 16:32:36	MortimerHoughton	I like to see new stuff, so sometimes it is
2023-09-13 16:32:51	MortimerHoughton	the M1 was interesting when they came out with that
2023-09-13 16:32:56	MacGyver	MortimerHoughton: I've never seen new stuff at an Apple launch event.
2023-09-13 16:33:04	MacGyver	Polished stuff, absolutely.
2023-09-13 16:33:11	cedb	they put A BROWSER on THE PHONE
2023-09-13 16:33:29	MacGyver	Maybe this is better suited to #al-ot though.
2023-09-13 16:33:31	MortimerHoughton	anyway, I'm moving back over to #aot before I further sully the channel
2023-09-13 16:33:48	MortimerHoughton	I just accidentally posted it over here
2023-09-13 17:03:53	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-13 17:08:23	Ashark	I have a list of pacman packages. I want to convert it to the list of packages that are not yet installed. How can I do that?
2023-09-13 17:09:12	MrElendig	Ashark: -T
2023-09-13 17:09:13	Ashark	I know there is a --needed command, but I want to just get a list (for further processing), and not to see that they are not needed and skipped
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2023-09-13 17:10:28	Ashark	MrElendig Does not it will include the other dependencies?
2023-09-13 17:10:29	Trel	Ashark: your list is a partial list of packages right? Like for example the things you'd need for building WINE?
2023-09-13 17:10:44	MrElendig	Ashark: ERRPARSE
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2023-09-13 17:11:13	Ashark	Trel Yes
2023-09-13 17:11:43	MrElendig	also sounds like a xyproblem
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2023-09-13 17:12:24	Trel	Ashark: Honestly what I did in that case was just run `pacman -S list of packages` and looked at what would be installed vs reinstalled
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2023-09-13 17:13:23	Ashark	Trel I actually want to get the list of uninstalled packaged to decide if I even need to ask sudo password.
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2023-09-13 17:14:11	MrElendig	if you want to include the deps, pactree and then pacman -T
2023-09-13 17:14:35	Trel	I know apt has a dry run switch that would let you simulate a command and that would work as non-root. I'm not sure if pacman has a similar switch with the same non-root ability.
2023-09-13 17:15:13	MrElendig	yes, its called -T
2023-09-13 17:15:18	MrElendig	:)
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2023-09-13 17:16:02	Ashark	No, I do not want to include the deps.
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2023-09-13 17:16:14	MrElendig	you can also abuse -p and --print-format
2023-09-13 17:16:23	MrElendig	but -T is usually what you want
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2023-09-13 17:16:47	Trel	-T doesn't look like it says it does what he wants based on the man page at least
2023-09-13 17:16:50	Ashark	I guess there may be a one-liner for that, but wiki misses that
2023-09-13 17:16:58	MrElendig	Trel: it does exactly what he asked for
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2023-09-13 17:17:33	Ashark	MrElendig As I said, I do not want the converted list to include dependencies.
2023-09-13 17:17:45	Ashark	I.e., I want to reduce list, not expand.
2023-09-13 17:18:00	MrElendig	Ashark: so read what I said
2023-09-13 17:18:28	MrElendig	-T will work for that
2023-09-13 17:18:56	Trel	MrElendig: it might check what he wants but it looks it returns more than he wants from how I'm reading it.  Maybe it's worded wrong.  What will it return for 'plasma-meta' if no component is installed?
2023-09-13 17:18:56	MrElendig	it will only print those targets that does not match
2023-09-13 17:19:19	MrElendig	Trel: plasma-meta
2023-09-13 17:19:35	Trel	It won't print any missing dependency for THAT package?
2023-09-13 17:19:45	MrElendig	Trel: correct
2023-09-13 17:20:10	Trel	Then the wording is very ambiguous in the help, because I read it the other way and I think Ashark did as well.
2023-09-13 17:20:11	MrElendig	-T only checks provides (included versions), it does no dependency resolving etc
2023-09-13 17:20:39	MrElendig	I said that *if* he wanted to check the deps, he would need to also use pactree
2023-09-13 17:20:50	MrElendig	(or -p + --print-format)
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2023-09-13 17:22:23	Trel	Yep, but the help uses the word dependencies rather than list, arguments, etc so it sounds like it does resolve somehow.  I get it now, I'm saying the wording in the help and manual could be more clear on what it does.
2023-09-13 17:22:33	MrElendig	note: it also doesn't check if the targets exists in any repo, so you can use it for aur stuff too
2023-09-13 17:22:37	MrElendig	unlike -p
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2023-09-13 17:23:12	MrElendig	pacman -T pacman not installed will return "not\ninstalled\n"
2023-09-13 17:23:50	Trel	"This operation will check each dependency specified and return a list of dependencies that are not currently satisfied on the system."  It actually would be better if that said "...and will return a list of any that are not satisfied..."
2023-09-13 17:24:17	Trel	The second use of the word is what threw me there.
2023-09-13 17:24:51	Trel	It reads like it checks each provided for its dependencies.
2023-09-13 17:24:59	Ashark	I tried -T and got strange result. When I pass my list to `pacman -S --needed`, it says There is nothing to do (all skipped). But passing the same list to the `pacman -T` gives two packages.
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2023-09-13 17:25:42	MrElendig	which packages exactly?
2023-09-13 17:26:34	Ashark	kdesdk and qt6
2023-09-13 17:27:01	MrElendig	that is because there is no package with those names
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2023-09-13 17:27:41	MrElendig	-T doesn't do groups
2023-09-13 17:27:50	MrElendig	or rather, it doesn't understand groups
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2023-09-13 17:28:45	MrElendig	sidenote: you probably don't need the entire qt6 group either
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2023-09-13 17:30:57	Ashark	I think I do. I am talking about this wish request: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471542
2023-09-13 17:31:03	phrik	Title: 471542 – When initial setup, do not require sudo when not needed to install anything (at bugs.kde.org)
2023-09-13 17:31:21	Ashark	It is for building a kde with qt6
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2023-09-13 17:31:37	MrElendig	you don't need the entire qt6 group for that
2023-09-13 17:31:50	MrElendig	but you can always expand it
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2023-09-13 17:33:29	MrElendig	pacman -Sg qt6 | cut -d' ' -f2
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2023-09-13 17:34:18	MrElendig	oh wait, -q works with -g, so just -Sgq qt6
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2023-09-13 17:36:42	Ashark	Oh, thank you!
2023-09-13 17:37:58	Paipou	Any tips on troubleshooting random 1-2 second freezes on multiple games during gameplay. Got nvidia 2060 and latest drivers
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2023-09-13 17:38:35	Paipou	Happens on native games like cs go and on games running through wine like WoW
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2023-09-13 17:39:42	Paipou	Cpu is 5800x3D
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2023-09-13 17:43:09	MrElendig	try proton-ge
2023-09-13 17:43:39	MrElendig	also log all the things
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2023-09-13 17:53:29	moonraven	i downloaded and installed a theme, but when i apply it nautilus does not follow it? i run arch linux 64 bit and gnome version 44.4
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2023-09-13 17:58:04	moonraven	the theme i installed change everywhere but not in nautilus
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2023-09-13 17:58:52	MrElendig	moonraven: see the blog posts about themeing adwaita applications
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2023-09-13 17:59:37	moonraven	MrElendig  i'll do that
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2023-09-13 17:59:53	gnsfujiwara	Hello guys
2023-09-13 18:01:16	MrElendig	moonraven: start with https://blogs.gnome.org/alatiera/2021/09/18/the-truth-they-are-not-telling-you-about-themes/ and then read the later updates
2023-09-13 18:01:18	phrik	Title: The Truth they are not telling you about “Themes” – Rust in Peace (at blogs.gnome.org)
2023-09-13 18:01:28	MrElendig	moonraven: note: the accent stuff isn't in 44.4
2023-09-13 18:01:50	MrElendig	but it might make it for the next release
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2023-09-13 19:34:26	[-_-]	Hi
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2023-09-13 19:35:49	[-_-]	guys, can I combine a filesystem directory on a ramdisk folder, such that they all appear in the same folder, but any changes made will be saved into ramdisk ?
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2023-09-13 19:42:29	[-_-]	I think I got a solution
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2023-09-13 19:43:03	MortimerHoughton	congrats.  I didn't have anything to contribute, but didn't want you to think you were being ignored
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2023-09-13 19:43:22	Trel	If it works I'm curious what it ended up being.
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2023-09-13 19:47:05	[-_-]	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Overlay_filesystem
2023-09-13 19:47:07	phrik	Title: Overlay filesystem - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-13 19:47:21	[-_-]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnionFS
2023-09-13 19:47:23	phrik	Title: UnionFS - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2023-09-13 19:47:37	[-_-]	it seems linux live cds were already using this
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2023-09-13 20:35:49	Mete-	Hi, is there a way to install static libraries for opengl and x11 on arch linux?
2023-09-13 20:38:41	BrainDamage	arch doesn't package static built libraries with very very few exceptions
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2023-09-14 13:36:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-09-14 13:36:33	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1358 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1357 regular)
2023-09-14 08:32:58	Pikk3wyn	also, pipewire-media-session can blow a donkey
2023-09-14 08:33:00	Pikk3wyn	forreal it sucks
2023-09-14 08:33:10	Pikk3wyn	replace that with wireplumber, thank me later :)
2023-09-14 08:33:13	karpouzi	i straight up don't have any audio controls through KDE settings haha
2023-09-14 08:33:16	karpouzi	the widget is gone
2023-09-14 08:33:30	karpouzi	thanks for the suggestions Pikk3wyn!
2023-09-14 08:33:43	grawity	I wasn't talking about plasma widgets
2023-09-14 08:33:48	Pikk3wyn	:)
2023-09-14 08:34:02	chiselfuse	error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies) :: installing alsa-lib (1.2.10-1) breaks dependency 'alsa-lib=1.2.9' required by lib32-alsa-lib :: installing libsndfile (1.2.2-1) breaks dependency 'libsndfile=1.2.0' required by lib32-libsndfile :: installing libtiff (4.6.0-1) breaks dependency 'libtiff=4.5.1' required by lib32-libtiff
2023-09-14 08:34:03	Pikk3wyn	I don't know of any volume widgets, I just have $mod+KP_Subtract exec --no-startup-id pulsemixer --change-volume +1 --max-volume 100
2023-09-14 08:34:07	chiselfuse	what do i do?
2023-09-14 08:34:10	Pikk3wyn	and down, etc
2023-09-14 08:34:20	karpouzi	er, if i search for "sound" in the kde search bar, the only thing that appears is "pulseaudio volume control"
2023-09-14 08:34:21	Pikk3wyn	chiselfuse: provide more info
2023-09-14 08:34:24	grawity	chiselfuse: -Syu
2023-09-14 08:34:42	Pikk3wyn	looks like a partial upgrade
2023-09-14 08:34:42	chiselfuse	Pikk3wyn: grawity: this is what i did `sudo pacman -Syu`
2023-09-14 08:34:48	chiselfuse	and i got that error
2023-09-14 08:34:59	grawity	chiselfuse: make sure you either have all of the -testing repos enabled in pacman.conf, or none of them
2023-09-14 08:35:09	grawity	karpouzi: open the "Control Center" app
2023-09-14 08:35:12	karpouzi	you could also try recursively removing lib32-libtiff
2023-09-14 08:35:23	grawity	karpouzi: or the "Settings" app, I don't remember what it's called
2023-09-14 08:35:36	karpouzi	system settings at the moment
2023-09-14 08:35:42	Pikk3wyn	try -Syyu
2023-09-14 08:36:00	karpouzi	grawity: system settings, there are no audio configuration options at all
2023-09-14 08:36:25	karpouzi	there's only "Personalization -> Applications -> Flatpak Permission Settings"
2023-09-14 08:36:40	chiselfuse	grawity: this is my pacman.conf https://0x0.st/HfR4.conf even if i enable testing repos they end up including the same mirrorlist
2023-09-14 08:37:08	grawity	chiselfuse: oh, right, you have [multilib] disabled, but you have multilib packages installed
2023-09-14 08:37:27	chiselfuse	 how could that have happened
2023-09-14 08:37:57	Pikk3wyn	sudo pacman -Rdd lib32-libtiff lib32-libsndfile lib32-alsa-lib; sudo pacman -Syyu; sudo pacman -S lib32-libtiff lib32-libsndfile lib32-alsa-lib
2023-09-14 08:38:28	Pikk3wyn	oh lol nevermind just enable multilib
2023-09-14 08:38:41	chiselfuse	Pikk3wyn: but i don't know if i want these packages, if they're installed then it means i needed them, no?
2023-09-14 08:38:56	Pikk3wyn	you should keep them
2023-09-14 08:39:00	karpouzi	Pikk3wyn: i do get the appeal of manually mapping kb functions to pulsemixer commands but i do like guis :)
2023-09-14 08:39:02	chiselfuse	how does enabling multilib work? i just uncomment and it includes the same exact file that is included in core
2023-09-14 08:39:08	grawity	it doesn't
2023-09-14 08:39:20	grawity	the whole point of multilib is that the stuff therein is not in core
2023-09-14 08:39:25	Pikk3wyn	multilib provides the lib32 packages
2023-09-14 08:39:29	grawity	core/extra has 64-bit stuff, multilib has 32-bit stuff
2023-09-14 08:39:43	Pikk3wyn	uncomment [multilib] and the Include below it
2023-09-14 08:39:45	grawity	(for 32-bit games and such, usually)
2023-09-14 08:39:48	Pikk3wyn	then run pacman -Syyu
2023-09-14 08:39:50	chiselfuse	but i'm talking about pacman.conf, if i uncomment it, it just Include's that same 'mirrorlist' file
2023-09-14 08:39:56	Pikk3wyn	yes
2023-09-14 08:40:03	Pikk3wyn	the mirror has all those repos
2023-09-14 08:40:05	grawity	yeah, but the other repos also include the same mirrorlist file, so how does that work?
2023-09-14 08:40:16	grawity	look inside the mirrorlist file, it has $repo in each URL
2023-09-14 08:40:19	Pikk3wyn	the mirror has all of them
2023-09-14 08:40:36	Pikk3wyn	repo.url/extra, repo.url/multilib etc etc
2023-09-14 08:40:38	karpouzi	it isn't that the contents of the config field matter, it's that the config field is defined at all
2023-09-14 08:40:39	chiselfuse	aha
2023-09-14 08:40:46	grawity	so [core] Include=mirrorlist downloads core.db, while [multilib] Include=mirrorlist downloads multilib.db
2023-09-14 08:40:59	Pikk3wyn	indeed
2023-09-14 08:41:31	grawity	(well, that part would happen even without $repo,)
2023-09-14 08:42:00	Pikk3wyn	separate user repos outside of arch will include separate config for the remote source
2023-09-14 08:42:21	Pikk3wyn	not sure how multilib got disabled haha, but just enable and you're all good
2023-09-14 08:42:38	Pikk3wyn	has anyone else always experienced problems with xdg-open or is it just me?
2023-09-14 08:43:01	Pikk3wyn	every time i install i have to patch it, half the time its a different problem
2023-09-14 08:43:05	grawity	depends on DE, xdg-open is a giant shellscript that calls out to `gio open` for gnome, `exa-open` for xfce, `kio open` for KDE...
2023-09-14 08:43:38	karpouzi	i've had xdg-open constantly try to open winebrowser
2023-09-14 08:43:46	Pikk3wyn	relevant is $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=X-Generic
2023-09-14 08:43:52	karpouzi	but my solution for that is to basically not use wine :)
2023-09-14 08:43:59	grawity	yeah because wine drops in a ton of .desktop files to register Internet Explorer as a browser, etc
2023-09-14 08:44:13	Pikk3wyn	there is an easy fix for that
2023-09-14 08:44:16	Pikk3wyn	let me find the xml
2023-09-14 08:44:27	grawity	there's a $WINEsomething to opt out, but I just manually define the handlers for URLs
2023-09-14 08:44:35	grawity	x-scheme-handler/https=firefox.desktop, etc
2023-09-14 08:45:19	Pikk3wyn	use mimeopen to set it easily
2023-09-14 08:50:14	[-_-]	grawity: a solution have been found, fuse-overlayfs, it works :D, just letting you know
2023-09-14 08:50:27	Pikk3wyn	it opening with wine by default is probably because it is stupid, and it tries to do it's retarded broken parsing of the paths and .application files manually before just using mimeopen and falling back if it's a url
2023-09-14 08:50:35	[-_-]	this is sooooooo good
2023-09-14 08:50:41	Pikk3wyn	or it does on generic anyway
2023-09-14 08:50:58	karpouzi	so i also have another weird issue, my laptop's usb camera basically doesn't enumerate (checking via dmesg) 80% of the time, and even when it does, it doesn't appear in /dev/video 
2023-09-14 08:51:10	karpouzi	i'm guessing it's just a loose cable but have yet to crack open the case
2023-09-14 08:51:18	Pikk3wyn	karpouzi: is it  between reboots?
2023-09-14 08:51:25	Pikk3wyn	that it doesn't enumerate?
2023-09-14 08:51:32	karpouzi	yeah
2023-09-14 08:51:33	grawity	watch `dmesg -ew` and wiggle the laptop lid to see if it shows up
2023-09-14 08:51:35	Pikk3wyn	also, do you use suspend on your laptop at all?
2023-09-14 08:52:04	karpouzi	no, i don't use suspend, if i close the lid it shuts down
2023-09-14 08:52:56	karpouzi	yeah so it appears at boot sometimes, "new high speed device, integrated camera" and then 0.58 seconds later there's a USB disconnect
2023-09-14 08:53:13	Pikk3wyn	try put usbcore.autosuspend=-1 in your kernel params (GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="......") in /etc/default/grub, use grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg (or wherever it is)
2023-09-14 08:53:24	Pikk3wyn	then shut down your laptop, remove the battery
2023-09-14 08:53:38	Pikk3wyn	hold the power button down while the battery is off for about 1 minute
2023-09-14 08:53:43	Pikk3wyn	reinsert battery and boot
2023-09-14 08:53:43	karpouzi	hmm
2023-09-14 08:53:49	grawity	...or change the broken cable lol
2023-09-14 08:53:54	Pikk3wyn	hopefully issue should be gone
2023-09-14 08:54:16	Pikk3wyn	what cpu do you have?
2023-09-14 08:54:21	Pikk3wyn	amd or intel?
2023-09-14 08:54:24	karpouzi	so it's enumerated, disconnects, then usbcore registers a new uvcvideo interface driver, new high speed usb device with same device id shows up, then immediate device descriptor read error -71
2023-09-14 08:54:30	karpouzi	alder lake intel
2023-09-14 08:54:47	Pikk3wyn	does this happen at random or on boot?
2023-09-14 08:54:54	karpouzi	i5-1235u
2023-09-14 08:55:05	karpouzi	it's always at boot, most of the time there's no enumeration in kmesg at all
2023-09-14 08:55:41	Pikk3wyn	oh, also
2023-09-14 08:55:42	karpouzi	i'm going to crack it open, odds are good it's just a bad ribbon. it's a new laptop so i can easily warranty it
2023-09-14 08:56:24	Pikk3wyn	go into your bios settings and disable all usb autosuspend, and enable stuff like 'provide usb power in s5 state', etc
2023-09-14 08:56:27	karpouzi	but if anyone's wondering: it mostly meets my specs, but the thinkbook 14 gen4 battery life is absolute dogwater
2023-09-14 08:56:46	karpouzi	ah interesting, could totally be a usb autosuspend issue
2023-09-14 08:57:35	Pikk3wyn	I have a similar issue but with a different cause
2023-09-14 08:57:40	karpouzi	to get anywhere near 5+ hours of battery life I have to shut down all cores except 0
2023-09-14 08:58:00	karpouzi	otherwise idle is like 18W :/
2023-09-14 08:58:11	Pikk3wyn	my bluetooth card doesnt go into autosuspend and then fail to reenumerate, but if it goes into a sleep state, it will be stuck until cold boot
2023-09-14 08:58:28	Pikk3wyn	are you running powertop to get an idea of what is using all the power?
2023-09-14 08:58:38	Pikk3wyn	what DE/etc are you running?
2023-09-14 08:59:26	Pikk3wyn	have you tried to restrict cpu performance gov with cpupower, restrict the gpu etc?
2023-09-14 09:00:16	Pikk3wyn	windows gets the battery life by nerfing the crap out of the performance 
2023-09-14 09:00:44	karpouzi	i haven't yet
2023-09-14 09:00:46	grawity	honestly 18W sounds a bit too much
2023-09-14 09:00:56	Pikk3wyn	ja
2023-09-14 09:00:57	grawity	you shouldn't need all kinds of tweaking for that
2023-09-14 09:01:17	Pikk3wyn	i would almost 100% bet just cpu limit and gpu power management will sort it
2023-09-14 09:01:35	Pikk3wyn	amd/nvidia?
2023-09-14 09:01:42	grawity	switching modern CPUs to 'powersave' mode makes them run like absolute potato though
2023-09-14 09:01:43	karpouzi	all the efficiency cores sitting at 2.5 GHz all the time is probably the issue. no graphics, just integrated
2023-09-14 09:02:09	Pikk3wyn	grawity: well, that's what windows does :P
2023-09-14 09:02:24	karpouzi	i've seen like 5 ordinary thinkpads at my workplace die because their nvidia gpu shit the bed, so i'm not falling for that
2023-09-14 09:02:31	grawity	although no, I guess power-profiles-daemon does that through something else than cpupower
2023-09-14 09:02:45	grawity	as the cpupower governor is 'performance' when ppd is set to balanced mode
2023-09-14 09:03:04	Pikk3wyn	12 hours of battery life
2023-09-14 09:03:04	grawity	it's probably the broader "platform performance" knob that causes that
2023-09-14 09:03:05	Pikk3wyn	asterisk, we hope you liked Pentium D
2023-09-14 09:03:55	grawity	speaking of which, do install power-profiles-daemon and let it handle the basic config I guess
2023-09-14 09:04:13	Pikk3wyn	no idea what ppd is
2023-09-14 09:04:15	Pikk3wyn	probably use that
2023-09-14 09:04:23	karpouzi	i use tlp which has worked well in the past, it also lets me set an 80% charge limit 
2023-09-14 09:04:38	grawity	I set that through /sys
2023-09-14 09:04:49	karpouzi	i suppose i could do all that manually, sure
2023-09-14 09:04:57	grawity	(I mean I could also set the platform power mode via /sys but then I wouldn't have the nice button in GNOME)
2023-09-14 09:05:13	karpouzi	if I shut off all cores but 0, then re-enable them all, power is like ~5.8W
2023-09-14 09:05:29	karpouzi	but at boot, before I do anything, it just sits at 12-25 doing absolutely nothing
2023-09-14 09:05:34	karpouzi	and i know it isn't baloo, i checked
2023-09-14 09:05:50	Pikk3wyn	do you have powertop?
2023-09-14 09:06:06	karpouzi	no, it conflicts with tlp, but i did try it before
2023-09-14 09:06:22	karpouzi	iirc it said that the main power eater was the cpu
2023-09-14 09:06:36	Pikk3wyn	the package doesn't conflict?
2023-09-14 09:07:06	Pikk3wyn	i find it more useful for monitoring
2023-09-14 09:07:11	karpouzi	oh yeah the touchpad eats an absolute shitton of interrupts
2023-09-14 09:07:15	Pikk3wyn	i forgot it actually had options
2023-09-14 09:07:18	karpouzi	like, hundreds of thousands per minute
2023-09-14 09:07:26	karpouzi	forgot about that finding
2023-09-14 09:07:28	Pikk3wyn	try turn down the polling rate
2023-09-14 09:08:40	Pikk3wyn	also that new bloody python thing from upstream lol
2023-09-14 09:08:43	Pikk3wyn	had to remove /usr/lib/python3.11/EXTERNALLY_MANAGED
2023-09-14 09:08:48	karpouzi	i'm not sure how to do that in wayland
2023-09-14 09:08:55	karpouzi	looking now
2023-09-14 09:09:10	karpouzi	it's pretty comical, it'll go from ~6w idle to 12W just by wiggling the touchpad a little
2023-09-14 09:09:26	grawity	Pikk3wyn: instead of... using the option it tells you can use?
2023-09-14 09:09:45	karpouzi	good old i2c_designware
2023-09-14 09:09:57	Pikk3wyn	you mean type --break-system-packages every time?
2023-09-14 09:10:12	grawity	or the corresponding envvar
2023-09-14 09:10:25	karpouzi	i love that for python, just emphasizes how much the entire ecosystem is basically malware
2023-09-14 09:11:13	karpouzi	Pikk3wyn: i'm guessing your suggestion for reducing polling rate is via xinput?
2023-09-14 09:12:06	Pikk3wyn	i'm looking for wayland now, oh god
2023-09-14 09:12:27	karpouzi	it isn't pretty
2023-09-14 09:13:14	Pikk3wyn	they wanted to be so aggressively different in every way they ditched like 90% of what X did right
2023-09-14 09:13:29	karpouzi	really drives home why apple removed their SPI or whatever touchpad driver between the M1->M2 and integrated it into their CPU directly
2023-09-14 09:13:39	Pikk3wyn	rip standardised anything
2023-09-14 09:13:41	karpouzi	i2c is the worst
2023-09-14 09:14:00	karpouzi	yeah they completely redid everything. it's a shame because wayland apps are generally nice to use
2023-09-14 09:15:19	Pikk3wyn	perhaps less redid, than not did haha
2023-09-14 09:15:53	Pikk3wyn	why don't they just adopt whatever it was, wlroots or something similar, and just integrate it as the standard already
2023-09-14 09:17:02	Pikk3wyn	what possesed them to leave all that stuff for a compositor
2023-09-14 09:17:26	karpouzi	i have no idea
2023-09-14 09:17:27	Pikk3wyn	gotta write 1/2 a bloody graphics server before you can even make the DE haha
2023-09-14 09:17:35	karpouzi	i am completely oblivious
2023-09-14 09:18:05	Pikk3wyn	i envy you lmao
2023-09-14 09:18:31	karpouzi	lol
2023-09-14 09:18:43	karpouzi	anyway i'm not too bothered by the power issue, i already use my computer *too much*
2023-09-14 09:19:18	ryzenda	Short of using tails/whonix/qubes, in Archlinux environment, what is a safest web browser to use for ensuring security during the usage of the browser?
2023-09-14 09:19:20	karpouzi	but i do kinda want to have audio working, i only installed the whole pipewire-pulse thing so my bt headphones would work. just didn't realize it'd wipe out the mixer GUI
2023-09-14 09:19:45	karpouzi	ryzenda: i think curl/wget is a pretty good web browser
2023-09-14 09:19:50	Pikk3wyn	ryzenda: please specify what you mean by security
2023-09-14 09:20:13	Pikk3wyn	what web browser is a different question than tails/whonix/qubes
2023-09-14 09:20:55	Pikk3wyn	do you mean security in the sense of you want to browse the web and do various things without being detected?
2023-09-14 09:21:15	Pikk3wyn	or do you mean in the sense of a secure everyday setup 
2023-09-14 09:21:29	karpouzi	seems like maybe a driveby question
2023-09-14 09:21:30	ryzenda	I guess security in terms of minimal/no sharing of website access to 1st/3rd parties as part of the web browser software operations
2023-09-14 09:21:42	ryzenda	e.g. no api queries
2023-09-14 09:21:45	karpouzi	you can use firefox with js disabled
2023-09-14 09:22:00	Pikk3wyn	ryzenda: haha just use firefox with ublock origin
2023-09-14 09:22:03	karpouzi	http is an API so you're not going to get any web functionality with _no_ api
2023-09-14 09:22:08	ryzenda	for example, Opera is proprietary, so that's useless
2023-09-14 09:22:15	karpouzi	opera is just a chrome reskin
2023-09-14 09:22:15	ryzenda	lol
2023-09-14 09:22:18	Pikk3wyn	if you GENUNIELY want what you are asking for, use uMatrix in strict mode
2023-09-14 09:22:37	Pikk3wyn	umatrix has a grid of every host and every type of thing script, media, xhr, frame etc
2023-09-14 09:23:02	Pikk3wyn	you can allow and deny types for hosts temporarily or permanently for a certain domain or globally if you want
2023-09-14 09:23:09	Pikk3wyn	that is everything you asked for :)
2023-09-14 09:23:24	ryzenda	ah, interesting, checking it out, but too bad it's only in aur
2023-09-14 09:23:34	Pikk3wyn	no it's not lol
2023-09-14 09:23:36	karpouzi	you can also use tor, surely you've heard of that
2023-09-14 09:23:44	Pikk3wyn	firefox is in regular repos
2023-09-14 09:23:53	ryzenda	I mean, `pacman -Ss umatrix` shows no results
2023-09-14 09:23:54	karpouzi	but that doesn't specifically do anything 'securely' other than onion everything
2023-09-14 09:24:00	Pikk3wyn	it's a firefox plugin
2023-09-14 09:24:18	karpouzi	https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/umatrix/
2023-09-14 09:24:20	phrik	Title: uMatrix – Get this Extension for 🦊 Firefox (en-US) (at addons.mozilla.org)
2023-09-14 09:24:32	Pikk3wyn	also get uBlock origin firefox plugin too
2023-09-14 09:24:37	Pikk3wyn	add a bunch of lists there
2023-09-14 09:24:47	karpouzi	alright i'm gonna try to figure out this camera thing, gn folks
2023-09-14 09:24:49	Pikk3wyn	stuff like tor is for *privacy*
2023-09-14 09:24:56	karpouzi	thanks for the help Pikk3wyn
2023-09-14 09:25:15	Pikk3wyn	tails is nicely private and secure, but it's a different threat model from what you want :)
2023-09-14 09:25:40	Pikk3wyn	ublock has loads of lists to block all the random trackers and crap, all the analytics, social media callbacks etc etc
2023-09-14 09:26:17	ryzenda	yeah, I've been using uBlock Origin for a long time
2023-09-14 09:26:21	Pikk3wyn	i personally use umatrix on strict, on every site I explicitly allow certain types of requests to certain hosts
2023-09-14 09:26:39	Pikk3wyn	100% prevents crap from ever going once unless you let it
2023-09-14 09:27:15	NetSysFire	umatrix isnt maintained anymore
2023-09-14 09:27:42	NetSysFire	though that doesnt stop me from using it too :p
2023-09-14 09:27:56	ryzenda	https://github.com/gorhill/uMatrix bummer
2023-09-14 09:28:31	NetSysFire	it still works but you know the risks associated with unmaintained stuff
2023-09-14 09:29:09	ryzenda	also I should probably add that I'm working on things for the laptop for the mom, and she probably won't understand any of these things, lol
2023-09-14 09:30:48	Pikk3wyn	working perfectly for me :)
2023-09-14 09:30:58	Pikk3wyn	ryzenda: just install ublock with strict lists then
2023-09-14 09:55:26	karpouzi	ok so yeah it was a loose cable, the whole monitor+camera cable was half mated
2023-09-14 09:56:04	karpouzi	on the upside it appears there's a second full-size m.2 slot in this thing
2023-09-14 10:01:35	karpouzi	anyway gn
2023-09-14 10:06:17	Pikk3wyn	nite
2023-09-14 12:45:41	Swagg3d	Hi all, I'm running endeavour OS with XFCE. For some time now my whole xfce4-power-manager is not working. I tried reinstalling and run it trough terminal but cant get it to run? Do you guys have any advice?
2023-09-14 12:46:55	Namarrgon	try their forums, we don't support other distros here
2023-09-14 12:47:05	carpenter	Swagg3d, maybe you should ask in #xfce
2023-09-14 12:50:28	Swagg3d	Namarrgon, Its an Arch based distro, so I figured this would be an appropriate place to ask
2023-09-14 12:50:52	Swagg3d	carpenter I'll do
2023-09-14 12:51:10	Namarrgon	yes, it's still not supported
2023-09-14 12:58:03	carpenter	I think it sad that you leave the arch based distros out in the cold
2023-09-14 12:59:08	another|	Do you expect #debian to support Ubuntu as well?
2023-09-14 12:59:19	Namarrgon	sure but we don't want to have to handle problems that were created by third-parties
2023-09-14 13:02:59	mpan	carpenter: look at it from a different perspective. These distros leave own communities in the cold by not providing support. If Bob buys fruits from Alice and sells them to Chuck, and they happen to be spoiled, Chuck should contact Bob for replacement/whining/support, not Alice.
2023-09-14 13:03:30	Foxboron	It's a bit sad if they do whatever they want and we are left with the moral obligation to support their users
2023-09-14 13:03:57	carpenter	ok ok point taken :)
2023-09-14 13:05:21	mpan	Perhaps it would be a tiny bit less annoying, if not that there is a particular Bob around, which routinely delivers spoiled fruits and then redirects crowds of Chucks to Archlice. ;)
2023-09-14 13:06:36	astralc	so what if the fruit intercepted during transport? was it encrypted with asymetric key?
2023-09-14 13:10:41	mpan	astralc: in the case of this particular Bob this is entirely possible, because Bob more than once urged users to shift back their clock to accept broken certificates…
2023-09-14 13:11:09	astralc	wait, bob is EOS or manjaro?
2023-09-14 13:11:19	mpan	And Chucks end up showing up here with pieces of meat, claiming their fruits are broken. Making helping even harder. ;)
2023-09-14 13:11:31	mpan	astralc: I will put it like this: it is not Endevour OS.
2023-09-14 13:12:28	rcf	mpan: I will note that in some situations the original vendor will insist that they be contacted, with the downstream vendor left alone. 
2023-09-14 13:12:46	astralc	so can I say arch derivates distros are MITM attack on arch package distribution?
2023-09-14 13:13:23	rcf	This may be more common in the US, of course. 
2023-09-14 13:13:39	mpan	No. But their communities may either use #linux, which is happy to accept any distro, or be provided with distro-specific help channel.
2023-09-14 13:13:53	rcf	mpan: and perhaps most notably, this channel will demand users contact upstream support for packages Arch is distributing, so....
2023-09-14 13:14:52	mpan	rcf: packages, which are not installed inside of Arch.
2023-09-14 13:15:39	rcf	No, you'll be banned from the bug tracker if you insist that Arch solve the problem for a package that Arch has built and distributed to users in an official capacity. 
2023-09-14 13:16:12	mpan	rcf: I am pretty sure you are aware, that there are Manjaro users among Archers too and they properly handle actual package breakage on Arch’s end. With no friction whatsoever between them and Arch community.
2023-09-14 13:17:51	rcf	So it's reasonable for a lurker to observe this pattern -- "it's an upstream bug, contact them" -- and apply this to an Arch derivative. 
2023-09-14 13:22:11	mpan	rcf: as long as they show the problem exists on Arch, I do not see problem with that. No matter what is their daily driver. Though comparing this for “contact upstream” for particular pieces of software is not comparing apples to oranges.
2023-09-14 13:22:19	rcf	mpan: or, to make it more explicit: if I've developed software and Arch packages it, how am I supposed to know offhand what changes have been made? How am I supposed to know how things interact with different environments? Unless you've built something from source or used my binaries, it's not my problem. 
2023-09-14 13:22:29	mpan	Unless you mean binary (in particular vendorized) packages.
2023-09-14 13:23:36	susi	oh no: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2023-40/
2023-09-14 13:23:37	phrik	Title: Security Vulnerability fixed in Firefox 117.0.1, Firefox ESR 115.2.1, Firefox ESR 102.15.1, Thunderbird 102.15.1, and Thunderbird 115.2.2 — Mozilla (at www.mozilla.org)
2023-09-14 13:23:48	Foxboron	rcf: If only the project had a bugtracker where you could check before hand
2023-09-14 13:24:17	susi	(the problem lies in WebP, not isolated to FF)
2023-09-14 13:24:19	rcf	As if Manjaro et al. don't have the same thing. 
2023-09-14 13:24:43	rcf	The Arch approach isn't *wrong*, but it's not weird that people show up here if they've been exposed to it. 
2023-09-14 13:36:33	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-14 13:42:40	susi	do we know if upgrading libwebp to 1.3.2-1 is enuf, or if we actually need an upgrade for Firefox too, to be shielded from the previously mentioned critical WebP bug
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2023-09-14 13:43:23	susi	and if 117.0-1 covers it, or we need to wait for 117.0.1
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2023-09-14 13:43:57	susi	(so maybe 117.0-2)
2023-09-14 13:44:23	susi	I'm no good in tracking these things
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2023-09-14 13:51:42	Foxboron	susi: run `ldd` on the firfox binary, is the libwebp library linked?
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2023-09-14 13:52:03	susi	no it ain't
2023-09-14 13:52:06	rcf	susi: looking to see which avcodec they're using. 
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2023-09-14 13:52:55	Foxboron	susi: *if* we assume it should be statically linked, then we can now probably claim it's statically compiled into firefox
2023-09-14 13:53:00	Foxboron	err
2023-09-14 13:53:06	Foxboron	it should be dynamically linked*
2023-09-14 13:53:29	susi	and that means ... libwebp upgrade should cover it, if it's fixed in this new one?
2023-09-14 13:53:40	Foxboron	It means the opposite
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2023-09-14 13:53:46	Foxboron	it means that firefox would need a new release
2023-09-14 13:54:14	Foxboron	libwebp could be statically built into another library which is dynamically linked into firefox. But that seems brittle and less likely
2023-09-14 13:54:22	susi	yeah, that's how I also interpret the ldd output :) got conufsed 
2023-09-14 13:54:51	Foxboron	susi: Hopefully it teaches you how to look for these things :p
2023-09-14 13:54:59	Foxboron	I don't *actually* have the answer at hand
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2023-09-14 13:55:08	Foxboron	but i know firefox statically links a lot of stuff
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2023-09-14 13:57:38	susi	Mozilla announced in Sept 12 it's fixed in "Firefox 117.0.1", but how should I know if 117.0-1 in repo is ok?
2023-09-14 13:58:11	susi	looking at gitlab, heftig has authored the current PKGBUILD for firefox 2 days ago
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2023-09-14 13:58:32	Khorne	117.0 < 117.0.1
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2023-09-14 13:59:30	susi	ah sorry, it's named 117.0.1-1 
2023-09-14 13:59:36	susi	somehow read it as 117.0-1
2023-09-14 13:59:42	susi	yeah, so alt's fine
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2023-09-14 14:00:20	susi	wiuh, I'm safe
2023-09-14 14:02:54	susi	how are these -N postfixes used, when ver-1 changes to ver-2, what kind of things might have happened?
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2023-09-14 14:03:26	Khorne	pkgrel
2023-09-14 14:03:43	Khorne	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PKGBUILD#pkgrel
2023-09-14 14:03:44	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-14 14:04:06	rcf	susi: it could be almost anything -- for example, libwebp itself saw a pkgrel bump to include a patch for this vulnerability. 
2023-09-14 14:04:07	susi	nice, thanks
2023-09-14 14:04:28	rcf	susi: check the git log for the package to get any real answer. 
2023-09-14 14:04:30	susi	wiki explanation for pkgrel pretty much was the answer I could hope for
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2023-09-14 14:12:39	svilayphiou	Sometimes when I reboot, I do have a kernel panic. I took pictures of it. there are slightly different 
2023-09-14 14:12:39	svilayphiou	https://pasteboard.co/v5k7fLCaF7Ov.jpg
2023-09-14 14:12:40	svilayphiou	https://pasteboard.co/X7aWrcXKo7fx.jpg
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2023-09-14 14:13:48	svilayphiou	(I tried to join with my phone just before but did not seem to work, I was saying that I updated my system and that I now have random freezes)
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2023-09-14 14:15:04	txtsd	Is there a way to make makepkg use gitoxide/gix instead of git?
2023-09-14 14:15:06	svilayphiou	Any hints on what to look after please?
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2023-09-14 14:16:50	jelle	txtsd: edit /etc/makepkg.conf
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2023-09-14 14:17:14	jelle	git::gix and then remember that when reporting issues
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2023-09-14 14:17:46	txtsd	I did that and it didn't work
2023-09-14 14:17:50	txtsd	Did I just forget to save? o_O
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2023-09-14 14:22:17	txtsd	Nope. It still uses git to clone.
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2023-09-14 14:23:55	jelle	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/pacman/-/merge_requests/2/diffs so hmmm
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2023-09-14 14:24:06	jelle	txtsd: how are we building, makepkg?
2023-09-14 14:24:17	txtsd	Yes, `makepkg -srf --cleanbuild`
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2023-09-14 14:38:49	jelle	you got some debugging todo then :)
2023-09-14 14:38:49	txtsd	I'll see what I can find :) Thanks!
2023-09-14 14:38:49	txtsd	That link is 404 btw
2023-09-14 14:38:49	jelle	ah, it's not 404 it's just not visible for you :)
2023-09-14 14:38:49	jelle	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman/-/merge_requests/78
2023-09-14 14:38:49	phrik	Title: Replace the deprecated bzr package by breezy for the bzr protocol in makepkg.conf (!78) · Merge requests · Pacman / Pacman · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-09-14 14:38:49	astralc	so why not 403?
2023-09-14 14:38:49	jelle	astralc: because you are not allowed to know it exists
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2023-09-14 14:44:13	SysGhost	Anyone here got some usage experience of Microsoft Teams for Linux? (Unofficial) My question: Is it the same as the windows version with the same functionality?
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2023-09-14 15:03:29	gromit	txtsd: I think the problem is that the client is determined from the protocol name and not from the config setting
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2023-09-14 15:04:09	txtsd	gromit: I don't get it
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2023-09-14 15:09:21	Namarrgon	svilayphiou: which laptop model is that?
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2023-09-14 15:09:36	rcf	txtsd: the client is not configurable at all. 
2023-09-14 15:09:44	rcf	git is hardcoded into the download function. 
2023-09-14 15:09:50	svilayphiou	Namarrgon: it's a lenovo thinkpad x270
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2023-09-14 15:10:04	jelle	rcf: ooo that's lame
2023-09-14 15:10:10	Namarrgon	svilayphiou: does this happen only on reboots or even on cold boots?
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2023-09-14 15:11:24	Namarrgon	oh, the picture even says X270 in the bottom-right corner
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2023-09-14 15:13:39	rcf	Replacing git entirely with gitoxide and using symlinks might work, but is almost certainly a very bad idea and you shouldn't do it. 
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2023-09-14 15:15:30	svilayphiou	Namarrgon: sorry I got frozen 3 times just now... happens on cold boots as well. I'm not sure if it's always when I use the keyboard or also when I use the trackpad as well. 
2023-09-14 15:16:09	Namarrgon	which kernel does it happen with?
2023-09-14 15:16:27	Namarrgon	it does seem to be rooted somewhere in the ps2/serio code
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2023-09-14 15:17:13	svilayphiou	6.5.2 and also 6.5.3
2023-09-14 15:17:32	Namarrgon	what about the 6.4 branch or whatever linux-lts is on?
2023-09-14 15:17:35	svilayphiou	Happens also in console
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2023-09-14 15:18:30	svilayphiou	I installed linux-lts 6.1.52 but not sure it's using it. 
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2023-09-14 15:19:25	gromit	txtsd: I think the name next to the protocl is really just a packagename that ensures that the binary for it is installed
2023-09-14 15:19:37	gromit	txtsd: I think the call tree is somethink like I outlined here https://md.archlinux.org/protocol_git_thingy?view
2023-09-14 15:19:41	phrik	Title: HedgeDoc - Ideas grow better together (at md.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-14 15:20:32	Namarrgon	svilayphiou: did you select the lts one in the bootloader menu?
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2023-09-14 15:21:04	svilayphiou	I don't see any new item in the bootloader. I'll try again
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2023-09-14 15:22:48	astralc	did you add LTS to the bootloader?
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2023-09-14 15:25:34	svilayphiou	astralc: probably not, will look into that
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2023-09-14 15:53:24	svilayphiou	OK I found my way to the lts. Now I have to check if it still freezes or not 🤞
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2023-09-14 16:24:50	jal`	Hi.  I'm using xmonad.  How do I make the two X clipboards synchronized and also persistent so the clipboard content isn't gone when I close the window I copied the text from?
2023-09-14 16:30:08	jal`	Open browser and find something and copy it, close browser, try to paste, oh it's gone
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2023-09-14 17:57:57	Namarrgon	the wiki does not imply that there should be another one, it can be either of these three types
2023-09-14 17:58:31	Namarrgon	how it is labeld by lspci depends on how the device identifies itself to the system
2023-09-14 18:04:41	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-14 21:04:32	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-09-14 21:04:32	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1340 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1339 regular)
2023-09-14 18:07:15	h3ck	Namarrgon: So I do not see 3D acceleration at all, this is an issue correct? Also how do I know if X is using my intel or amd card?
2023-09-14 18:07:29	Namarrgon	it's not an issue
2023-09-14 18:07:34	Namarrgon	look at the xorg log
2023-09-14 18:11:45	wallabra	Is it just me or a lot of packages just dropped the ".1" at the end?
2023-09-14 18:12:03	Namarrgon	for example?
2023-09-14 18:12:26	wallabra	Lots of warnings like "warning: xorg-xkbcomp: local (1.4.6-1.1) is newer than extra (1.4.6-1)"
2023-09-14 18:12:32	wallabra	Possibly hundreds
2023-09-14 18:12:40	Namarrgon	is this a spin?
2023-09-14 18:12:40	wallabra	And that is extra, not a distro repo.
2023-09-14 18:12:56	wallabra	spin?
2023-09-14 18:13:05	Namarrgon	of arch linux, eos, manjaro etc
2023-09-14 18:13:19	Namarrgon	arch uses only ints for $pkgrel
2023-09-14 18:13:33	h3ck	`[  2485.861] (II) intel(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section` would this mean intel is being used? this is from xorg log
2023-09-14 18:13:35	wallabra	Well, that extra is from Arch Linux.
2023-09-14 18:13:48	wallabra	As far as I know.
2023-09-14 18:14:49	Namarrgon	either you replaced these packages manually or you used some third-party repo
2023-09-14 18:14:53	gromit	wallabra: care to share your pacman.conf? 
2023-09-14 18:14:57	gromit	!give wallabra ix
2023-09-14 18:14:58	phrik	wallabra: <command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2023-09-14 18:15:16	Namarrgon	h3ck: probably
2023-09-14 18:16:06	Namarrgon	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/xorg-xkbcomp/-/commits/main
2023-09-14 18:16:08	phrik	Title: Commits · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / xorg-xkbcomp · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-09-14 18:16:13	Namarrgon	last update was 9 months ago
2023-09-14 18:17:23	wallabra	Oh, nevermind, I think I see what the issue is;
2023-09-14 18:17:54	wallabra	I think for some reason the package that was previously installed wasn't the one from extra.
2023-09-14 18:41:55	jb1277976	What does it mean when my up arrow isn't working. everything works on my laptop fine. E5-575 just started today
2023-09-14 18:42:08	jb1277976	it has a function key with volume up
2023-09-14 18:42:34	jb1277976	hmm..none of my arrow keys work
2023-09-14 18:42:39	jb1277976	let me check the bios
2023-09-14 18:49:31	jb1277976	everything is working after a reboot
2023-09-14 18:54:49	Foucault	has anyone had any problems with ppp 2.5.0? When I try to start it dies with "unrecognised option <interface name>"
2023-09-14 18:57:44	Namarrgon	how do you start it?
2023-09-14 18:58:34	Foucault	I have a custom systemd service that essentially does "ExecStart=pppd call configfile"
2023-09-14 18:59:08	Foucault	and "ExecStop=/usr/bin/kill $MAINPID", I can paste the whole thing if you want
2023-09-14 18:59:29	Namarrgon	paste the unit and the configfile
2023-09-14 18:59:42	Foucault	ok, give me a sec
2023-09-14 19:03:25	Foucault	service: http://ix.io/4Gnb   config file: http://ix.io/4Gnc
2023-09-14 19:03:37	Foucault	basically unchanged since 2017
2023-09-14 19:04:43	Foucault	wan.911 is a vlan if that matters
2023-09-14 19:04:58	LenarHoyt	Hi everyone. I just did `sudo pacman -S linux-lts && sudo update-grub && reboot`, but now Welcome to GRUB! flashes black and immediately returns to the boot manager. What should I do?
2023-09-14 19:05:00	Foucault	it has to be otherwise the ISP rejects the connection
2023-09-14 19:05:24	Namarrgon	LenarHoyt: where did you get "update-grub" from?
2023-09-14 19:06:23	LenarHoyt	Namarrgon, I meant `sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg` sorry.
2023-09-14 19:06:49	Namarrgon	you mean it returns to grub's bootmenu?
2023-09-14 19:07:04	Namarrgon	or returns to the firmware's bootmenu?
2023-09-14 19:07:18	LenarHoyt	The firmware's bootmenu.
2023-09-14 19:07:38	Namarrgon	when was the last time you updated the grub payload?
2023-09-14 19:07:57	Namarrgon	https://archlinux.org/news/grub-bootloader-upgrade-and-configuration-incompatibilities/
2023-09-14 19:07:58	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Grub bootloader upgrade and configuration incompatibilities (at archlinux.org)
2023-09-14 19:08:29	LenarHoyt	Probably yesterday during a regular package update with pacman.
2023-09-14 19:08:41	Namarrgon	probably?
2023-09-14 19:08:53	LenarHoyt	I did not pay attention to what it installed.
2023-09-14 19:09:09	Namarrgon	"it" will not update the grub payload on the ESP, you have to do that
2023-09-14 19:13:05	jb1277976	fixed my touchpad issue with right click in case anyone wants to know. https://smarttech101.com/libinput-fix-your-linux-touchpad-using-libinput/
2023-09-14 19:13:09	phrik	Title: libinput: Fix your Linux touchpad using libinput | SmartTech101 (at smarttech101.com)
2023-09-14 19:17:29	Namarrgon	Foucault: is there more than just that line in the logs?
2023-09-14 19:18:21	Foucault	RP-PPPoE plugin version 4.0 compiled against pppd 2.5.0
2023-09-14 19:18:21	Foucault	In file /etc/ppp/peers/peer: unrecognized option 'wan.911'
2023-09-14 19:18:21	Foucault	pppoe.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT
2023-09-14 19:18:26	Foucault	that's everything from journalctl
2023-09-14 19:18:29	Foucault	nothjing else
2023-09-14 19:18:54	Foucault	2.4.9 works (unsurprisingly)
2023-09-14 19:22:23	Namarrgon	rp-pppoe is still installed, right?
2023-09-14 19:23:01	Foucault	yes, the package is installed and the relevant line is added to /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf
2023-09-14 19:24:07	joel135	hi, i'm having some problems with blender on my laptop running arch/xmonad
2023-09-14 19:24:17	Foucault	LINUX_PLUGIN=/usr/lib/rp-pppoe/rp-pppoe.so
2023-09-14 19:25:32	joel135	oh wait now it doesn't crash, it's a miracle, nvm
2023-09-14 19:32:21	topcat001	SysGhost: I have to use Teams for work but I always use it in Chrome. Works fine including video calls.
2023-09-14 19:33:30	topcat001	I would recommend not installing the MS app.
2023-09-14 19:34:08	topcat001	Also on Linux the app is now deprecated I believe.
2023-09-14 19:47:13	Foucault	ok so it turns out that pppd<2.5.0 has a symlink rp-pppoe.so <-> pppoe.so (it always uses the kernel module)
2023-09-14 19:47:44	Foucault	in 2.5.0 this symlink is gone and pppd will load the *actual* rp-pppoe.so plugin
2023-09-14 19:48:34	Foucault	so replacing rp-pppoe.so with pppoe.so in the peer file restores the old behaviour
2023-09-14 19:49:27	Foucault	it's actually rp-pppoe.so that's complaining not pppd but it looks like it was the kernel pppoe module that I've been using  all along
2023-09-14 19:57:04	Wennadocta	Hello, can you hear me?
2023-09-14 19:58:33	topcat001	!give Wennadocta !welcome
2023-09-14 19:58:34	phrik	Wennadocta: The answer is 42.
2023-09-14 19:58:44	topcat001	!give Wennadocta welcome
2023-09-14 19:58:45	phrik	Wennadocta: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2023-09-14 19:59:29	topcat001	I think it might be funnier with "tell us how badly you fucked up (this time)" :)
2023-09-14 20:00:06	topcat001	hmmm nah the existing one is better; ignore me
2023-09-14 20:12:39	fullstop	huh, my keyring got messed up after an update.
2023-09-14 20:13:32	fullstop	I think that I was updating at the same time archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync.service ran.
2023-09-14 20:13:52	MacGyver	!keyring
2023-09-14 20:13:52	phrik	http://allanmcrae.com/2015/01/two-pgp-keyrings-for-package-management-in-arch-linux/
2023-09-14 20:13:55	MacGyver	Hrrm.
2023-09-14 20:13:57	MacGyver	!fixkeyring
2023-09-14 20:13:58	phrik	Your keyring issue would be probably fixed by: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
2023-09-14 20:14:00	MacGyver	!fixkeyring2
2023-09-14 20:14:01	phrik	If your keyring issue hasn't been fixed yet, try: rm -rf /etc/pacman.d/gnupg && pacman-key --init && pacman-key --populate && pacman-key --refresh-keys
2023-09-14 20:14:04	MacGyver	fullstop: ^
2023-09-14 20:14:10	fullstop	Yes, I've done that and we're good
2023-09-14 20:14:16	fullstop	but why did it get screwed up in the first place?
2023-09-14 20:14:39	fullstop	I had to init, populate, and refresh
2023-09-14 20:15:50	MacGyver	Possibly because the wkd-sync.service ran during the update, as you postulate.
2023-09-14 20:16:14	fullstop	Is there a way to prevent this?
2023-09-14 20:16:25	fullstop	Maybe I will disable the timer and run it manually periodically
2023-09-14 20:16:27	MacGyver	I haven't really looked into it but I recall similar issues sparingly over the past months here.
2023-09-14 20:17:04	MacGyver	I wonder whether it would be enough to install a hook that disables the timer and pauses until a running sync is complete, and enables the timer after pacman is done.
2023-09-14 20:17:35	fullstop	or some sort of lock file
2023-09-14 20:17:46	fullstop	prevent pacman from running while the keyring is being updated
2023-09-14 20:18:17	Commander_Keen	hey all - you know how ubuntu added a feature for switching between wayland and x on the login screen? does arch have a similar functionality? if so how is it implemented 
2023-09-14 20:18:42	MacGyver	That's bog-standard functionality in display managers.
2023-09-14 20:18:45	fullstop	Commander_Keen: in my session manager there is a gear in the bottom right.
2023-09-14 20:18:46	Commander_Keen	I am an arch user and  X user, but want to check out wayland, but I don't want to switch over if I can just hav both 
2023-09-14 20:19:01	MacGyver	And you can always have both, even without a display manager.
2023-09-14 20:19:06	Commander_Keen	Macgyver oh really? I don't use a display manager so I didn't know that
2023-09-14 20:19:11	MacGyver	You just start the right thing when you need it.
2023-09-14 20:19:19	MacGyver	So how *do* you start x?
2023-09-14 20:19:22	Commander_Keen	oh ok- so they can co exist
2023-09-14 20:19:24	MacGyver	.xinitrc and startx?
2023-09-14 20:19:28	Commander_Keen	exactly
2023-09-14 20:19:40	Commander_Keen	startx as interface to xinit
2023-09-14 20:19:43	MacGyver	Then instead of that you build the same thing for wayland.
2023-09-14 20:20:04	MacGyver	I *think* in Wayland that just means "start the compositor" but I'm not sure.
2023-09-14 20:20:10	MacGyver	I still haven't switched.
2023-09-14 20:20:20	Commander_Keen	ah ok - so I need to do a little wayland research
2023-09-14 20:20:41	Commander_Keen	I dont want to switch - I like my setup, but I know whats coming and I want to be prepared
2023-09-14 20:21:40	MacGyver	What compositor do you intend to use?
2023-09-14 20:21:45	⚡ 	Warepire is still waiting for a decent replacement for Awesome on Wayland before switching
2023-09-14 20:22:10	fullstop	also, pacman-key --refresh keys was quite slow and had a lot of messages like "gpg: error retrieving 'email@example.com' via WKD: No data"
2023-09-14 20:22:34	fullstop	I tried wayland quite a few times but always had performance problems or strange bugs.
2023-09-14 20:22:50	Commander_Keen	Im not sure yet - but I was looking at sway and a second one that starts with a W that I now forget the name of
2023-09-14 20:22:51	fullstop	until this year.  It seems to finally be ready, if your wm supports it
2023-09-14 20:23:04	Commander_Keen	hyperland
2023-09-14 20:23:06	MacGyver	`sway` seems to run just fine if you literally just run `sway` from a commandline.
2023-09-14 20:23:20	Commander_Keen	which  doesnt start with a w at all lol
2023-09-14 20:23:25	fullstop	I'm running plasma now, but I had forgotten the simplicity of just running a wm like windowmaker.  It's so snappy.
2023-09-14 20:23:31	MacGyver	For gnome you may need to launch using dbus-run-session apparently.
2023-09-14 20:23:31	Commander_Keen	yeah ive heard good things about swayt
2023-09-14 20:23:36	Commander_Keen	*sway 
2023-09-14 20:23:49	MacGyver	sway is basically i3 with missing features.
2023-09-14 20:24:07	Commander_Keen	oh thats good - I use awesomewm but i3 is great too
2023-09-14 20:24:07	MacGyver	Whether you care about said features will determine whether you can actually take the plunge.
2023-09-14 20:24:08	farkenvoid	sway is icky
2023-09-14 20:26:51	MacGyver	Thank you for that insightful and well-researched contribution.
2023-09-14 20:27:01	Commander_Keen	MacGyver: LOL
2023-09-14 20:27:10	Commander_Keen	farkenvoid: what do you recommend?
2023-09-14 20:29:02	farkenvoid	blaze your own trail
2023-09-14 20:29:32	farkenvoid	I'm using i3, too stupid to figure out how to get wayland and my steam games to work
2023-09-14 20:32:02	farkenvoid	I was joking about sway being icky, if you're running wayland it's as viable as anything else out there
2023-09-14 20:32:49	farkenvoid	but I'm running nvidia card so there's that
2023-09-14 20:37:10	SysGhost	topcat001: neat. I see that it's an electron application, so the mentioned "port" should work.
2023-09-14 20:45:03	Warepire	SysGhost: If you give that 3rd party packaging of Teams a go and you have the memory and care, do let me know how it works. I've been meaning to try it but never found the time.
2023-09-14 20:53:42	jb1277976	farkenvoid: do you use polybar with i3 ?
2023-09-14 20:57:03	farkenvoid	yes
2023-09-14 20:58:08	farkenvoid	picom i3 and polybar
2023-09-14 20:58:20	jb1277976	aw xinit i'm guessing
2023-09-14 21:00:18	farkenvoid	xinitrc only launches i3
2023-09-14 21:01:24	farkenvoid	now I'm curious
2023-09-14 21:04:32	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-09-14 21:05:06	ℹ 	andyrtr_ es conocido ahora como andyrtr
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2023-09-14 21:07:40	SysGhost	Warepire: tested it a little. Seems to work so far although I haven't tested the more interesting features such as share desktop etc. (I suspect that might not work as Windows and Linux are wastly different in this department)
2023-09-14 21:08:31	jb1277976	farkenvoid: yea when you said picom i3 and polybar i new you started i3 with startx
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2023-09-14 21:09:21	⚡ 	jb1277976 used to start i3/dwm/bspwm with startx way back when
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2023-09-14 21:29:29	Warepire	SysGhost: Thanks for the info, appreciated.
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2023-09-14 22:07:54	Earnestly	With bash, or date, do you get 01:00:01 with printf '%(%T)T\n' 1 or date -d @1 +%T?
2023-09-14 22:08:44	Earnestly	It should be 00:00:01 and dateconv -i %s -f %T 1 works correctly for me, but I always get 01:00:01 with the above two commands
2023-09-14 22:09:01	Earnestly	It doesn't appear to be related to timezone/TZ or locale
2023-09-14 22:09:30	Earnestly	Oh it does appear to be related to TZX
2023-09-14 22:09:32	Earnestly	TZ*
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2023-09-14 22:10:23	Earnestly	Yeah, add TZ=UTC+1 or UTC-1 and it'll exhibit this
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2023-09-14 22:11:27	topcat001	SysGhost: Warepire: On Chrome sharing destop/windows works fine in X+i3. I believe the the web version does not let you take control of the remote user's desktop, but I never use that feature.
2023-09-14 22:12:02	topcat001	I have never tried it under Wayland
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2023-09-14 22:13:57	ℹ 	rwb es conocido ahora como rb
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2023-09-14 22:20:11	Warepire	topcat001: Very good to know, thanks. (I'm also in X still)
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2023-09-14 22:27:57	topcat001	I also run outlook/onedrive/etc all from the browser.
2023-09-14 22:28:11	gehidore	same
2023-09-14 22:28:20	topcat001	We are a Windows company (SIGHHHH)
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2023-09-14 22:30:38	mefistofeles	topcat001: what browser do you use?
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2023-09-14 22:31:34	topcat001	I use Chrome for the work sites as generally it seems to work better with Teams. FF for everything else.
2023-09-14 22:31:42	mefistofeles	yeah
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2023-09-14 22:32:18	topcat001	I prefer the FF interface. I also use QB quite a bit.
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2023-09-14 22:33:14	topcat001	Particularly after the QT6 branch QB works just as well as Chrome for MS webapps.
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2023-09-14 22:34:54	topcat001	I also run pure alsa, mostly due to habit. I should start using pipewire, but I get by for now.
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2023-09-14 22:36:27	ℹ 	geekodour3273 es conocido ahora como geekodour327
2023-09-14 22:36:33	topcat001	BTW with Chrome hardware video accel is very flaky (only works on a full moon after a ritual sacrifice), but FF just works.
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2023-09-14 22:51:10	ℹ 	IceLight es conocido ahora como WinterStar
2023-09-14 22:52:30	HuntsMan	so iwlwifi does not work anymore?
2023-09-14 22:52:40	HuntsMan	with the latest arch kernel
2023-09-14 22:53:21	HuntsMan	same error as here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=288765
2023-09-14 22:53:21	phrik	Title: Wifi randomly lost after kernel upgrade to 6.5.2 / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-14 22:54:36	mefistofeles	HuntsMan: oh, good to know, now I wont be upgrading :P
2023-09-14 22:54:49	HuntsMan	mefistofeles: yup
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2023-09-14 22:55:17	mefistofeles	HuntsMan: oh wait, I do have 6.5.2 and it's working fine here
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2023-09-14 22:55:27	HuntsMan	latest arch is 6.5.3
2023-09-14 22:55:38	HuntsMan	seems 6.5.2 works
2023-09-14 22:55:42	mefistofeles	HuntsMan: sure, but that link says 6.5.2, ok
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2023-09-14 22:56:18	HuntsMan	yeah, not sure if that is correct
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2023-09-14 22:57:38	mefistofeles	HuntsMan: what network card is yours?
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2023-09-14 22:58:28	HuntsMan	Network controller: Intel Corporation Alder Lake-P PCH CNVi WiFi
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2023-09-14 22:58:45	mefistofeles	oh, I don't even know what that is, but ok
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2023-09-14 22:59:02	mefistofeles	here it's an Intel(R) Wi-Fi 6 AX210
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2023-09-15 15:49:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-09-15 15:49:04	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1317 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1316 regular)
2023-09-15 02:02:20	zayd	What are the module names for enabling vfio for pci passthrough? I tried following a several year old guide on youtube changing steps along the way to fit arch but hit this when typing "lsmod -k": http://ix.io/4Gpj
2023-09-15 02:07:32	Commander_Keen	does anyone have insight onto whether I should be using inetdutils or xinetd to use telnet on arch -or does it matter (the wiki seems to suggest that you can  use inetdutils by itself or with xinetd)
2023-09-15 02:08:28	Commander_Keen	*inetutils
2023-09-15 02:13:32	topcat001	Commander_Keen: telnet client command?
2023-09-15 02:14:34	topcat001	!give Commander_Keen wtf /usr/bin/telnet
2023-09-15 02:14:36	phrik	Commander_Keen: core/inetutils
2023-09-15 02:15:23	topcat001	If you're using telnet as server, then I must ask whyyy?
2023-09-15 02:48:10	ryzenda	Ah crap! Dell Alienware M18 R1 AMD laptop for the mom issues again: I downloaded https://youtu.be/edDxYXgN4R4 and playing the video with `mpv` the video is glitching crazily! And it's probably because of the 2560x1600 native resolution at 165hz 
2023-09-15 02:53:04	topcat001	mpv --video-sync=display-resample ... ?
2023-09-15 02:53:33	topcat001	Also how did you set up optimus?
2023-09-15 02:54:40	topcat001	(also may I say I love that you got your mom on Arch on an Alienware)
2023-09-15 03:41:52	Porkepix	Hi, got an issue with latests release of Element which is now having white square as notification's icon rather than normal icon, and I was requested to find other people that would be affected, seems it could help, so if anyone encountered such issue, please lemme know
2023-09-15 03:46:24	Commander_Keen	topcat001: i'm not using telnet as a server - just to connect to bbs
2023-09-15 03:46:53	Commander_Keen	and thank you - inetutils did indeed do the trick
2023-09-15 03:56:18	topcat001	cool :)
2023-09-15 04:04:04	ryzenda	topcat001, re: "optimus" was that question directed to me? I searched and see NVIDIA things, but the Dell Alienware M18 R1 AMD laptop I configured with AMD Radeon RX 7600M XT
2023-09-15 04:13:42	ryzenda	I'll probably have a bunch of small notes and whatnot about running Archlinux on a Dell Alienware M18 R1 AMD laptop. Like right now I am running `dmesg -W` ssh session and see a segfault after logging in to GNOME on Wayland (option selected within sddm)
2023-09-15 04:14:13	ryzenda	Where is a place to organize and keep note of things to potentially share with others for debugging/resolving?
2023-09-15 04:15:54	ryzenda	lol nevermind. I have a bbs/forum account that I can use.
2023-09-15 04:16:08	ryzenda	Perfect: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewforum.php?id=31
2023-09-15 04:16:10	phrik	Title: Laptop Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-09-15 04:24:47	topcat001	ryzenda: yes. Even with AMD you will have hybrid graphics. So, are you running primarily off the integrated gpu or the discrete one?
2023-09-15 04:26:29	topcat001	I'm going AFK for a but I read every line of backlog so feel free to post :)
2023-09-15 04:36:22	rwinner	Hello, when trying to update packages with 'pacman -Suy,' I get the following error: archlinuxfr.db failed to download; the requsted url returned error 404.
2023-09-15 04:52:57	Tom^	rwinner: http://repo.archlinux.fr/
2023-09-15 04:55:30	rwinner	Tom^: Ya, I had to comment that one out in pacman.conf. Thanks!
2023-09-15 04:55:59	rwinner	Didn't give me trouble till today.
2023-09-15 06:37:53	rodolfo	quit
2023-09-15 08:13:15	Gnana	why this giving error http://pastie.org/p/4GQ5ONM9xEyClNlPqV8UM9/raw im using wayland + hyprland ?
2023-09-15 08:14:49	Gnana	i have blacklisted the nouveau
2023-09-15 08:50:14	iftclerk	What would be a cause for my laptop to wake up from suspend when I close the lid? Doing a clean Arch install without a DE
2023-09-15 09:01:00	NetSysFire	likely acpi weirdness or similar. what does your journal say? does your laptop have a page in the wiki?
2023-09-15 09:13:17	iftclerk	Nothing immediately jumps out at me when looking at the journal, there is one warning given by iptsd. It's a surface laptop with the surface-linux kernel so maybe there is some weirdness there. I'll try looking up similar issues on their Github page
2023-09-15 09:19:23	kulak	I know I used to have "Menu Editor" that I use sometimes to adjust borken menu items in Gnome.  I have no clue what package it came from.
2023-09-15 09:23:56	ryzenda	Alright, I've got one issue listed in https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2120784 and I'll edit the main post as I encounter other things on the laptop for mom 
2023-09-15 09:23:57	phrik	Title: Dell Alienware M18 R1 AMD / Laptop Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-09-15 09:25:30	ryzenda	topcat001, I actually don't know if I am using the integrated gpu or discrete Radeon RX 7600M XT. I installed and configured amdgpu following the archlinux handbook though.
2023-09-15 09:26:38	ryzenda	but I've been experiencing several display issues since I started setting up the laptop
2023-09-15 09:27:29	kulak	do you seriously expect your mom to use i3m environment?  Load XFCE or Gnome.
2023-09-15 09:42:24	ryzenda	kulak, lol no, but I'm using it so I don't get auto logged out/lock screen in other environments, or even worse, auto hibernate
2023-09-15 09:43:26	ryzenda	kulak, as I said yesterday, I installed so far: Budgie, Cinnamon, Cutefish, deepin, Enlightenment, GNOME, LXDE, LXQt, MATE, KDE, Openbox, Plasma, Xfce
2023-09-15 09:47:32	ryzenda	lol `systemctl restart sddm` is not responding/not doing anything, and I've been waiting 5+ minutes for exiting $mod+shift+e i3wm stuck at a glitched console with cursor underline at top-left corner not blinking
2023-09-15 09:57:14	ryzenda	What happened to all the "webcam" softwares in official archlinux repo? I barely see any results like I remember from 5-10 years ago
2023-09-15 09:58:12	jelle	you have to be more specific
2023-09-15 10:33:21	Swagg3d	Hi all, I'm running Arch with XFCE. I cant get xfce4-power-management to run. The problem seems to be that upower.service is not running due to an error. Ive pasted the journal outpack in https://dpaste.com/A6BQY86KP 
2023-09-15 10:33:26	phrik	Title: dpaste: A6BQY86KP (at dpaste.com)
2023-09-15 10:33:47	Swagg3d	Do you guys have any advice on how to fix this?
2023-09-15 10:34:28	jelle	Swagg3d: seems you did a partial upgrade at some point
2023-09-15 10:34:57	grawity	run `lddtree /usr/lib/upowerd` to check what other thing requires the missing library, and then upgrade the other thing – libimobiledevice would be my guess, either you've done a partial upgrade or you have an AUR version installed
2023-09-15 10:36:49	Swagg3d	I'll try that righ away brb
2023-09-15 10:38:09	Swagg3d	If I run lddtree /usr/lib/upowerd`I'm getting no output at all
2023-09-15 10:41:31	Swagg3d	If I check if libimobiledevice is installed, it not installed
2023-09-15 10:41:41	Swagg3d	But a git version is installed
2023-09-15 10:41:55	Swagg3d	Maybe indeed an AUR triggered issue in that case.
2023-09-15 10:42:16	Swagg3d	I'm quite a noob, so not sure how to fix that if it is indeed the case..
2023-09-15 10:43:20	grawity	that highly depends on why you have the -git version
2023-09-15 10:43:47	grawity	if you forgot why, then most likely the normal version that's in the repos is already new enough to have whatever it is that the -git version had back then
2023-09-15 10:43:50	grawity	so install the normal version
2023-09-15 10:44:25	grawity	if you *need* the AUR version, you need to rebuild the package from AUR (makepkg -f -i, or pacaur --rebuild, or whatever)
2023-09-15 10:44:49	grawity	so that it gets compiled with the new libplist that you now have
2023-09-15 10:48:30	Swagg3d	Replaced the git version with the normal version and its running again
2023-09-15 10:48:44	Swagg3d	Apreciate the help alot, thank you guys!!
2023-09-15 11:23:15	virtx	I get this error if I try to reinstall docker-compose /tmp/pip-build-env-x6oammnq/overlay/lib/python3.11/site-packages/setuptools/config/setupcfg.py:293: _DeprecatedConfig: Deprecated config in `setup.cfg`
2023-09-15 11:35:30	Namarrgon	virtx: how are you reinstalling "extra/docker-compose"?
2023-09-15 11:35:57	virtx	well, with pacman I removed docker-compose, but it is still installed
2023-09-15 11:36:10	virtx	I tried with pip uninstall too and it says that it is not installed
2023-09-15 11:36:19	Namarrgon	"type -a docker-compose"
2023-09-15 11:36:20	virtx	so, I am not sure how to remove and reinstall it
2023-09-15 11:36:36	virtx	docker-compose is /home/spartak/.local/bin/docker-compose
2023-09-15 11:36:44	Namarrgon	there you go
2023-09-15 11:36:55	virtx	just remove that?
2023-09-15 11:37:26	Namarrgon	at least that but there's probably more
2023-09-15 11:37:53	virtx	ok, did it and installed with pacman, but it still looks into .local/bin and can't find it
2023-09-15 11:37:54	Namarrgon	lookint at docker-compose it seems to be written in go, not python
2023-09-15 11:37:57	Namarrgon	*Looking
2023-09-15 11:38:11	virtx	it was in python
2023-09-15 11:38:13	Namarrgon	your $PATH is probably messed up too
2023-09-15 11:38:49	Namarrgon	time for spring-cleaning python out of your $HOME, perhaps
2023-09-15 11:39:31	virtx	yeah, but how without breaking averything?
2023-09-15 11:39:47	Namarrgon	without breaking what?
2023-09-15 11:40:06	Namarrgon	none of the system packages depend on the crap in your $HOME
2023-09-15 11:40:33	Namarrgon	everything you keep in venvs will still function because you're not going to touch the venvs
2023-09-15 11:40:55	virtx	ok, so how can I cleanup python from the home
2023-09-15 11:40:56	Namarrgon	if you didn't use venvs then this is why you should use venvs
2023-09-15 11:41:42	Namarrgon	fix your $PATH, then clean out the usual paths pip installs to
2023-09-15 11:46:24	Namarrgon	https://docs.python.org/3/install/index.html#alternate-installation-the-user-scheme
2023-09-15 11:46:26	phrik	Title: Installing Python Modules (Legacy version) — Python 3.11.5 documentation (at docs.python.org)
2023-09-15 11:46:54	astralc	what you had is docker compose v1, it was changed some time ago (and now it is not python)
2023-09-15 12:37:58	Gagis	hold on, isnt docker-compose entirely deprecated nowadays, and replaced by docker compose, as in a subcommand of docker utility?
2023-09-15 12:43:37	gromit	Gagis: docker-compose is a symlink to docker compose
2023-09-15 13:17:53	ishan	I am seeing high last 1 minute/5minute/15 minute load average. 5.85/ 5.73/5.31
2023-09-15 13:18:08	ishan	I don't see any process taking up CPU in htop(nothing in user space or kernel space) 
2023-09-15 13:18:16	ishan	And I don't see any thing using disk 
2023-09-15 13:18:24	ishan	I also don't see any thing weird in dmesg or journalctl logs 
2023-09-15 13:21:09	ishan	i think it's xorg doing some thing annoying again 
2023-09-15 13:23:41	diamond	asfd
2023-09-15 14:51:47	jehelset	is building rocksdb with jemalloc a conscious decision, or is it just because it happens to be the default when building with make?
2023-09-15 14:52:22	jehelset	if building with cmake (which seems to be more maintained) it is off by default, except if building for FreeBSD.
2023-09-15 14:59:28	Namarrgon	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/62330 i don't have access to the aur comments but to me it looks like jmalloc used to be autodetected/-enabled when present at some point while it was still in the AUR, and the maintainer just kept the dependency
2023-09-15 14:59:31	phrik	Title: FS#62330 : rocksdb-release-5.18.3-1 has a hidden dependency on jemalloc (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-09-15 15:00:43	jehelset	ah ok. it causes some issues if you are using rocksdb when creating a python-extension module (https://github.com/jemalloc/jemalloc/issues/955).
2023-09-15 15:01:05	Namarrgon	github fails me right now, i can't look at the makefile but arch doesn't seem to use cmake here
2023-09-15 15:01:13	jehelset	arch uses make in the PKGBUILD.
2023-09-15 15:01:21	jehelset	fedora uses cmake, so they don't have this particular problem.
2023-09-15 15:01:44	jehelset	there are other issues with the rocksdb-cmake-setup, which needs to be fixed upstream, but that can be fixed downstream in the meantime with some patches. 
2023-09-15 15:04:51	Commander_Keen	do you guys think there is any functional difference between the GNU and BSD versions of Netcat?
2023-09-15 15:05:01	Namarrgon	even the rocksdb Makefile has a list of cases where it automatically disables jmalloc
2023-09-15 15:05:04	Commander_Keen	Arch doesnt have the libssl one in the repo
2023-09-15 15:05:24	Namarrgon	jehelset: if you have a valid usecase then file a bugreport
2023-09-15 15:05:46	jehelset	yes, i tried emailing the packager, but i didn't get a response. i'll try to create a working pkgbuild first, and then create a bugreport.
2023-09-15 15:05:48	jehelset	thanks.
2023-09-15 15:06:28	Namarrgon	np
2023-09-15 15:08:24	Namarrgon	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/rocksdb/-/commit/564135b7a6858e3ac58e09ac73e6b391ca41f446
2023-09-15 15:08:26	phrik	Title: Add rocksdb to [community] (564135b7) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / rocksdb · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-09-15 15:09:08	Namarrgon	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/rocksdb/-/commit/6b6ecc50608700498a1c1a922d5bf62471346fe8
2023-09-15 15:09:09	phrik	Title: FS#72255 Switch to make based build to align with upstream recommendations (6b6ecc50) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / rocksdb · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-09-15 15:10:38	Namarrgon	it used to use cmake but moved to ninja and then make
2023-09-15 15:11:30	Namarrgon	in all cases jmalloc was enabled but i think not intentionally, just because it was always there~
2023-09-15 15:19:11	jehelset	ah...
2023-09-15 15:48:52	ne555	good morning, just noticed that 'cpulimit' was degraded to the aur, is there someplace where can read the rationale
2023-09-15 15:49:04	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-15 15:50:01	BrainDamage	unlikely, it might be documented in the commit messages or in a mailing list, but it can just be the maintainer's whims, to paraphrase
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2023-09-15 15:50:32	mpan	ne555: in general the maintainer no longer wants to maintain it. No project-wide reasoning for that.
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2023-09-15 15:50:37	Edu4rdSHL	ne555, cpupower is a good alternative, in case that you're looking for
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2023-09-15 16:08:40	arch-angel	I've been using the package waterfox-g4-bin for a couple years now, and I just released it's gone from the AUR, and in a state of panic I accidentally pacman -Rs the waterfox-g4-bin package
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2023-09-15 16:09:20	arch-angel	now after installing newer versions of waterfox it doesn't pick up my old extensions, configurations and bookmarks
2023-09-15 16:09:26	◣	feriman (~feriman@user/feriman) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2023-09-15 16:10:23	arch-angel	did pacman -Rs clear all my cache and configs?
2023-09-15 16:10:49	arch-angel	quite a lot my webpages and cookies are saved on it and I can't afford to lose them
2023-09-15 16:11:32	◣	progandy (~progandy@user/progandy) ha salido (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)
2023-09-15 16:11:48	jelle	arch-angel: the configs are in your $HOME, removing the package should not reomve that
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2023-09-15 16:12:45	arch-angel	jelle, well, then how come waterfox does not pick up my old bookmarks and cookies?
2023-09-15 16:12:58	arch-angel	and where exactly should I look to ensure my old configs are still there?
2023-09-15 16:13:34	Namarrgon	the path might have changed between versions, or the format
2023-09-15 16:13:44	jelle	arch-angel: well, I am not a waterfox user, but's hopefully in ~/.config?
2023-09-15 16:13:59	jelle	err no
2023-09-15 16:14:41	⚡ 	jelle wonders what waterfox is
2023-09-15 16:14:47	arch-angel	thats the problem, I don't see "waterfox" inside .config/
2023-09-15 16:15:16	jelle	https://github.com/WaterfoxCo/Waterfox/issues/243 
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2023-09-15 16:16:27	arch-angel	I'll check right now
2023-09-15 16:16:29	Namarrgon	which was the version of waterfox-g4-bin that you had removed?
2023-09-15 16:16:34	arch-angel	right, there's ~/.waterfox
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2023-09-15 16:16:47	jelle	there you go :)
2023-09-15 16:16:51	arch-angel	the latest waterfox-g4-bin I presume
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2023-09-15 16:17:03	ℹ 	kietop es conocido ahora como kieto
2023-09-15 16:17:16	jelle	no idea, look at the timestamps
2023-09-15 16:17:30	arch-angel	before it was supposedly merged with waterfox-g-bin
2023-09-15 16:17:42	arch-angel	the AUR package for waterfox-g4-bin is gone
2023-09-15 16:18:15	arch-angel	I can't reinstall it anymore, it's gone, permanently, archive.org did not archive it either which makes it much more of a headache
2023-09-15 16:18:33	jelle	well, first of you didn't check everything yet
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2023-09-15 16:28:07	hseg	am shredding an old harddrive, am surprised I had the permissions - would've thought shred /dev/sdb to require superuser?
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2023-09-15 16:29:03	@alad	> #elif defined(XP_UNIX)
2023-09-15 16:29:05	@alad	me
2023-09-15 16:29:54	Namarrgon	you need elevated permissions to run it on a blockdevice
2023-09-15 16:30:19	◣	hugo (znc@verdigris.lysator.liu.se) ha salido (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2023-09-15 16:30:25	hseg	isn't /dev/sdb a blockdevice?
2023-09-15 16:30:29	Namarrgon	it is
2023-09-15 16:30:37	hseg	so what gives?
2023-09-15 16:30:48	hseg	am unprivileged, and don't recall adding it to sudoers
2023-09-15 16:30:48	Namarrgon	your permissions are too permissive
2023-09-15 16:30:50	another|	groups | grep disk
2023-09-15 16:31:03	Namarrgon	getfacl -t /dev/sdb
2023-09-15 16:31:16	hseg	ah. disk gives enough access for that?
2023-09-15 16:31:26	Namarrgon	yes
2023-09-15 16:31:35	hseg	and yet it doesn't give enough access to mount usb sticks?
2023-09-15 16:31:41	hseg	weird
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2023-09-15 16:32:03	another|	yhttps://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Users_and_groups#Pre-systemd_groups
2023-09-15 16:32:05	phrik	Title: Users and groups - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-15 16:33:01	hseg	ok, will reread that
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2023-09-15 16:33:14	hseg	gtg, ty
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2023-09-15 16:34:45	arch-angel	right, I managed to reinstall waterfox-g4-bin
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2023-09-15 16:35:45	arch-angel	apparently my old configs and stuff are still there
2023-09-15 16:36:09	jelle	step 2) figure out where they are :)
2023-09-15 16:36:16	jelle	step 3) migrate to firefox
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2023-09-15 16:36:36	arch-angel	but apparently it's outdated by leagues, waterfox G6 is coming out and it's still stuck at G4.1.5
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2023-09-15 16:58:35	Namarrgon	dviola: i'm not sure what happened
2023-09-15 16:58:43	arch-angel	hm, I moved the .waterfox and it didn't do the trick either
2023-09-15 16:58:49	arch-angel	that folder also did not exist initially
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2023-09-15 16:59:08	arch-angel	yet any new configurations on my new waterfox-g5 is saved, so I suspect its saved somewhere else
2023-09-15 16:59:11	arch-angel	but I have no idea where
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2023-09-15 17:00:08	Namarrgon	what is in ~/.config/mozilla/firefox now?
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2023-09-15 17:00:40	arch-angel	the contents of my .waterfox
2023-09-15 17:00:57	Namarrgon	so the profile.ini and the profile subdirs themselves?
2023-09-15 17:01:37	arch-angel	correct
2023-09-15 17:01:50	ℹ 	graves1 es conocido ahora como graves
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2023-09-15 17:02:27	arch-angel	its originally empty, but since I've meddled with the new waterfox-g5, it should've created a separate config storage folder
2023-09-15 17:02:41	arch-angel	which I cannot find any information on
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2023-09-15 17:04:09	⚡ 	drathir_tor wonder if there is any cleaver trick for fixing nvidia+intel setups to not crash every single time drivers/(kernel?) get updated and restart is performed (vainfo vdpauinfo and failed of creation dri3 screen warnings the easiest way to verify its broken ) ? its looks like intel drivers get behind not sure yet tho if with every kernel update or nvidia update need observe it closer...
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2023-09-15 17:04:52	Namarrgon	arch-angel: "about:profiles" should list the absolute paths
2023-09-15 17:05:08	dviola	Namarrgon: yeah, I'm not sure also, this is very unusual
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2023-09-15 17:05:16	dviola	thanks for looking anyway
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2023-09-15 17:05:52	Namarrgon	dviola: the one error in the autodetect hook might have caused it to remove too much  but it certainly didn't report anything useful
2023-09-15 17:06:38	arch-angel	Namarrgon, it says for the default profile the root dir is: /home/arch-angel/.waterfox and the local dir is: /home/arch-angel/.cache/waterfox
2023-09-15 17:06:49	arch-angel	and it also says "This profile is in use in another application and it cannot be deleted."
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2023-09-15 17:06:54	Namarrgon	is that in the new version of waterfox?
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2023-09-15 17:07:43	arch-angel	waterfox G5.1.13
2023-09-15 17:07:47	arch-angel	so yes I believe
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2023-09-15 17:08:42	⚡ 	jelle likes how the waterfox site does not compare with firefox
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2023-09-15 17:09:56	drathir_tor	Namarrgon: with ff profiles in most case reuse works just fine if higher version or more edge distribution channel (probably bc them try to use buildin defaults)... from what observed the problems occur if run profile with higher version and try use it with lover version of ff the issues vary of odd rendering to the rabs crashing or whole browser fail to start...
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2023-09-15 17:15:02	drathir_tor	arch-angel: however is preffered always create separate profiles per browser/channel with "-p" switch added to commandline to avoid any odd behaviour and test if configs cause issues ...
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2023-09-15 17:15:25	arch-angel	I have fixed my problem by simply making the profile my default profile
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2023-09-15 17:16:06	dviola	Namarrgon: I see
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2023-09-15 17:18:31	drathir_tor	arch-angel: it could works just fine with new firefox verdions default profile should stay separate between channels old versions could mix profiles... however not sure if waterfox would follow that as well good to be aware of that and best force use -p name_of_profile just to avoid mixing in future...
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2023-09-15 17:50:15	dviola	Namarrgon: I found this old thread where someone ran into a similar issue: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=235417 -- it seems to be a capture device (webcam) that makes the autodetect hook trigger the issue (for them and for me)
2023-09-15 17:50:16	phrik	Title: mkinitcpio autodetect fails to run leading into error on booting / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-15 19:55:53	sataa	How can I set up Openbox to open and close Rofi when I press the Super key?
2023-09-15 19:56:10	sataa	I'm brand new to Openbox and don't know what I'm doing
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2023-09-15 19:58:27	cisco87	mhmhm hey guys, good evening, do you know if it's possible to start a process from KDE but not have it killed in case KDE/SDDM are restarted? I mean, I like to run some commands in background on TMUX, but then I do something and need to restart SDDM, if I run `tmux` from TTY then the command keeps running, but if I run TMUX from Konsole/KDE, then  it kills the background command
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2023-09-15 19:58:52	cisco87	is there a way to prevent tmux dying on kde restart/
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2023-09-15 19:59:32	drathir_tor	sataa:  something like that ? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Openbox#rc.xml
2023-09-15 19:59:33	phrik	Title: Openbox - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-15 19:59:55	BrainDamage	cisco87: start a tmux server detached and disowned
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2023-09-15 20:01:15	cisco87	like this ? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Tmux#Autostart_with_systemd
2023-09-15 20:01:16	phrik	Title: tmux - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-15 20:01:26	cisco87	ah makes sense, didn't think about it
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2023-09-15 20:01:30	cisco87	thank you very much
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2023-09-15 20:03:33	BrainDamage	that service also works, make sure to use a system one because a user one would normally close on logout ( unless you have linger enabled, but that in turn has quite a few consequences )
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2023-09-15 20:05:29	cisco87	I am also looking at the man page, after you wrote about the server, didn't know it could have a server, but was wondering, a systemd system service that runs tmux start-server, with exit-empty off, what do you think?
2023-09-15 20:06:11	BrainDamage	sure, that works
2023-09-15 20:06:26	cisco87	thank you for your help then, have a good evening/weekend ! ^^
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2023-09-15 20:10:24	Namarrgon	dviola: weird issue ineed, congrats
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2023-09-15 20:22:08	mmt47	freesync doesn't engage on linux 6.5.3 using kde x11 but it does engage on linux-lts 6.1.53
2023-09-15 20:22:14	mmt47	any idea what's going on?
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2023-09-15 20:23:30	mmt47	https://bpa.st/XFDQ
2023-09-15 20:23:32	phrik	Title: View paste XFDQ (at bpa.st)
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2023-09-15 20:43:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-09-15 20:43:04	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1324 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1323 regular)
2023-09-15 20:38:54	topcat001	!give ryzenda aw hybrid graphics
2023-09-15 20:38:56	phrik	ryzenda: Hybrid graphics - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Hybrid_graphics
2023-09-15 20:39:01	Hunker	Hi. I have changed lightdm's greeter to web-greeter and have some problems.. grk-pam cant't locate a daemon control file, staches pasword for later try in session. Pam unix open a lightdm session for me. grk-pam unlocks a login keyring. Pam-unix close my session after which pam-unix(lightdm-greeter:session) open a session for lightdm.. This happens acording to the journal while I get thrown bach
2023-09-15 20:39:01	Hunker	to the 
2023-09-15 20:39:07	Hunker	greeter after having typed my ...
2023-09-15 20:39:09	Hunker	... pasword and hit enter.. What goes wrong here?
2023-09-15 20:40:11	Hunker	Im in tty for now
2023-09-15 20:40:21	topcat001	ryzenda: This is where you should start. Otherwise your discrete card will remain on at all times and significantly reduce battery life (if you care) and cook the laptop.
2023-09-15 20:41:08	topcat001	Even if you don't care about battery running the laptop hot all the time might cause it to swell.
2023-09-15 20:43:05	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-15 20:48:21	x0rn	is there something better than find and locate for searching the filesystem? I feel like find fails me a lot (as in not finding files that definitly do exist)
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2023-09-15 20:48:42	x0rn	im looking around - I see fd as an option, any suggestions would be appreciated
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2023-09-15 20:49:37	BrainDamage	find is slow and awkward to use, but it shouldn't miss anything if it's there
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2023-09-15 20:51:05	x0rn	it may be user error - as in maybe I should be using different flags - but regardless, I am on the hunt for replacemtn
2023-09-15 20:51:09	x0rn	*replacement
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2023-09-15 20:53:11	invra	been trying to clean some packages on my system. when i use pacman -Qtdq it jsut prints out all the packages i have installed. i tought its supposed to print out orphans
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2023-09-15 20:53:35	x0rn	thats a great point - pacman -Q is a good alternative for many situations
2023-09-15 20:53:57	x0rn	the problem I have with find is when I try to specify -depth or maxdepth it errors out
2023-09-15 20:54:25	x0rn	either with "unkown predicate" or telling me to put the path either before or after the depth flag- but no matter what I do it still erros
2023-09-15 20:54:32	x0rn	*errors
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2023-09-15 20:56:54	x0rn	find / -maxdepthno matter where I put the path it says "path must precede___" and then I move it and it says "possible unquoted predicate" -- super annoying and nonsensical
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2023-09-15 20:58:59	x0rn	i did some research - looks like maybe I need to be using the -iname flage
2023-09-15 20:59:03	x0rn	*flag
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2023-09-16 08:02:48	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1292 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1291 regular)
2023-09-15 21:08:50	schneid3306	!paste
2023-09-15 21:08:50	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-09-15 21:13:06	schneid3306	I am running Wayland/Hyprland and nearly have swayidle working the way I would like. The one missing piece is suspending the system (not just locking and turning off monitors) after X amount of time. This is my current swayidle service (https://paste.rs/Bs5GM.txt). I tried adding an additional two lines calling systemctl suspend after a 3600 second timeout, but becaues my manual lock calls
2023-09-15 21:13:06	schneid3306	systemd suspend, it went 
2023-09-15 21:13:06	schneid3306	into some werid state and bricked my computer. Is there a way to amend the service or change my keybind call to make it so I can manually lock the system and it can go into suspend after a certain amount of idle time?
2023-09-15 21:25:39	cedb	bricked?
2023-09-15 21:26:56	topcat001	I think they don't mean that; rather hang.
2023-09-15 21:27:37	schneid3306	Yeah, sorry hung until I restarted it via power button.
2023-09-15 21:28:01	cedb	where is that unit file from did you modify a template or just wrote it from scratch? 
2023-09-15 21:28:51	schneid3306	I modified the one here: https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki/Systemd-integration
2023-09-15 22:16:56	pulec	anyone here have experience with upscalling cca 640x480 video to something reasonable without needing 10 nvidia gpus for it?
2023-09-15 22:20:39	demonicmaniac1	pulec: theres ncnn vulkan solutions working on any vulkan gpu
2023-09-15 22:21:47	pulec	oh yeah, I got 5700 and 6700
2023-09-15 22:22:11	pulec	https://github.com/upscayl/upscayl this for example?
2023-09-15 22:24:15	Hunker	Hi, After pointing lightdm.conf to the newly installed greeter-session=web-greeter my x login have screwwed up. I use lxde  After trying to login several times the journal showed that gkr-pam missing some daemon control file and some accounts service was missing.   I had used the default lightdm-gtk-greeter without problem before But I complied and installed the accountsservice package but i
2023-09-15 22:24:15	Hunker	still got 
2023-09-15 22:24:21	Hunker	bounced back after every login ...
2023-09-15 22:24:23	demonicmaniac1	pulec: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/video2x this with the ncnn-vulkan deps
2023-09-15 22:24:23	Hunker	... atempt. so I uninstalled with Pacman -Rnsc lightdm and reinstalled. I now have lightdm-gtk-greeter set but still can't login. startlxde as user from tty say: cannot open display.. 
2023-09-15 22:24:28	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - video2x (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-09-15 22:24:47	pulec	thanks demonicmaniac1
2023-09-15 22:26:22	Namarrgon	Hunker: where is "webgreeter" from?
2023-09-15 22:26:30	Namarrgon	*web-greeter
2023-09-15 22:26:52	Hunker	aur
2023-09-15 22:27:30	MrElendig	reinstalling does nothing generally
2023-09-15 22:27:32	Hunker	But I'm back with plain old lightdm-gtk-greeter now
2023-09-15 22:27:36	demonicmaniac1	mind you that still takes a while. i only tested it on ancient intel gpu with low res source on single images, 5700 might be able to do a few fps from 480 to 1080
2023-09-15 22:27:40	Namarrgon	have you checked their bugtracker?
2023-09-15 22:28:41	Hunker	I have given up web-greeter for now untill I atleast can get gui and am back with plain old lightdm-gtk-greeter now
2023-09-15 22:29:15	Hunker	I can not log in with it or even startlxde
2023-09-15 22:29:41	MrElendig	test with a new user
2023-09-15 22:29:49	Namarrgon	if startlxde doesn't start lxde then it's not the DM's fault
2023-09-15 22:29:51	Hunker	Xorg-0.log looks ok
2023-09-15 22:30:06	Namarrgon	post the log
2023-09-15 22:30:22	topcat001	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/LXDE#Starting_the_desktop (use xinitrc?)
2023-09-15 22:30:23	phrik	Title: LXDE - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-15 22:30:40	Hunker	I only have tty
2023-09-15 22:30:52	Namarrgon	!rs
2023-09-15 22:30:53	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2023-09-15 22:31:26	topcat001	that's what xinitrc is for
2023-09-15 22:32:45	Hunker	Ahhh... I have meddled with xinitrc and xprofile since the last sucessful boot!!
2023-09-15 22:33:24	topcat001	I mean ~/.xinitrc not system files
2023-09-15 22:34:28	topcat001	If you want to test text mode login and lxde, shut down lightdm, and do: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/LXDE#Console
2023-09-15 22:34:29	phrik	Title: LXDE - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-15 22:34:49	topcat001	do not touch random system files as a first step
2023-09-15 22:35:23	Hunker	Im in my users login here now on irssi
2023-09-15 22:35:27	Hunker	on tty3
2023-09-15 22:35:33	dTal	# touch /boot/vmlinuz-6.3.13_1
2023-09-15 22:35:37	Hunker	I'm root on tty2
2023-09-15 22:35:40	dTal	oooh watcha gonna dooo
2023-09-15 22:35:44	topcat001	lol
2023-09-15 22:35:57	⚡ 	topcat001 hisses and bares claws
2023-09-15 22:36:06	Ingar	vmlinuz sues dTal for harassement
2023-09-15 22:36:22	dTal	show me on this core dump where the bad man touched you
2023-09-15 22:36:23	topcat001	hahah good one
2023-09-15 22:40:07	Hunker	yeah I had the session start in both .xinitrc AND .xprofile.. Very emarasing tendency to do double for failsafe when in doubt or ignorant. 
2023-09-15 22:40:19	⚡ 	Hunker blushes
2023-09-15 22:41:20	topcat001	np. I haven't used this webgreeter before so unfortunately know nothing about it. However if you restore the config the regular greeter should start.
2023-09-15 22:42:10	topcat001	I suppose you could try uninstalling the AUR package, and optionally pacman -Qkk sddm and greeter to make sure nothing is changed.
2023-09-15 22:43:45	Hunker	All is well And I'm in!
2023-09-15 22:44:14	topcat001	\o/
2023-09-15 22:45:04	topcat001	sometimes I might appear a bit harsh because I try to preemptively eliminate mistakes; no offence was intended
2023-09-15 22:46:07	topcat001	also sorry Namarrgon I kind of butted in on your attempts to help
2023-09-15 22:49:34	Hunker	No no I'm so gratefull. I am a bit of a bofoon.. My life approach is a bit bouncy.. It works ok in the analog world where you have visual clues and can make corrections untill las minnute and spread the tools around untill you tangle the feets in the cords.. but in this one letter wrong go to hell hell..
2023-09-15 22:50:29	_DOOM_	I am having a problem with snapper, it fails to snapshot my root directory.
2023-09-15 22:50:32	Hunker	You both or all have my deep love!
2023-09-15 22:55:13	x0rn	I'm working on a little plugin involving wallpapers (changing wallpapers based on the date) - I want to have default wallpapers come with the program - but I am concerned about hosting the wallpapers for copyright reasons - I'm thinking i can have a script that downloads them from various wallpaper sites - how would you handle this if you were me?
2023-09-15 22:55:46	MrElendig	x0rn: that would still get you fucked over legally
2023-09-15 22:55:59	mpan	x0rn: hi. Aside from this still having the same issue, how is this Arch related?
2023-09-15 22:56:04	MrElendig	x0rn: find some actually legal to use wallpapers instead
2023-09-15 22:56:23	MrElendig	there are lots of CCbA ones out there etc
2023-09-15 22:56:44	x0rn	I guess its not specifically - i mean this is a linux app im making - maybe a general linux channel would be better
2023-09-15 22:57:14	x0rn	MrElendig: so your advice is to just use cretive commons/public domain art 
2023-09-15 22:57:25	mpan	Any content for which you have licence.
2023-09-15 22:57:47	mpan	(or is in PD, though be aware many jurisdiction doesn’t have that concept)
2023-09-15 22:58:17	x0rn	mpan thanks 
2023-09-15 22:58:25	mpan	Or even let the user provide wallpapers. Then it’s their problem, not yours.
2023-09-15 22:58:36	MrElendig	x0rn: or make your own / hire someone to do it
2023-09-15 23:00:05	x0rn	MrElendig: yeah you are right - with all the tools we have these days I should always consider making my own art 
2023-09-15 23:00:48	x0rn	gimp, krita, inkscape - anyway, I don't want to hog the discussion with an only tangentially arch related topic - but I do appreciate your thoughts guys
2023-09-15 23:02:05	mpan	If you want to provide a “saterter kit” for your plugin: Wikimedia Commons hosts a lot of wallpaper-quality photos, which are licensed under permissive licences _requiring attribution and sharing under the same licence.
2023-09-15 23:02:52	x0rn	mpan: thats a great idea (starter kit is exactly what I was going for - something they can build from)
2023-09-15 23:03:48	mpan	I just remind you that “attribution” does not mean “downloaded from wiki”, but clearly indicating the actual author in a manner such that the user is informed about it.
2023-09-15 23:04:17	mpan	And host them yourself then: do not put load on WC servers. :)
2023-09-15 23:04:21	The-Compiler	arojas: I'm confused re https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/79703 - qt6-webengine does not depend on libwebp and does not pass -DQT_FEATURE_webengine_system_libwebp, am I missing something?
2023-09-15 23:04:22	phrik	Title: FS#79703 : [qt6-webengine] [security] (patch) CVE-2023-4863: libwebp: OOB write in BuildHuffmanTable (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-09-15 23:05:12	The-Compiler	hmm, yet "ldd /usr/lib/libQt6WebEngineCore.so | grep webp" does show /usr/lib/libwebp.so.7 though... color me confused
2023-09-15 23:06:19	MrElendig	indirect dep?
2023-09-15 23:06:59	The-Compiler	maybe it's an indirect dep *and* Qt defaults on using the system library by default if it exists (it does not do that for others)
2023-09-15 23:08:31	The-Compiler	ah, indeed it does, and qt6-webengine depends on ffmpeg which depends on libwebp
2023-09-15 23:09:37	fixeria	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Intel_graphics#With_the_modesetting_driver -- this section tells that "TearFree support was recently added to the modesetting driver", but when trying to use it with xorg-server v21.1.8 it does not work
2023-09-15 23:09:39	phrik	Title: Intel graphics - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-15 23:10:09	fixeria	Xorg logs: Option "TearFree" is not used
2023-09-15 23:10:44	fixeria	perhaps the xorg-server is not recent enough to include the PR adding TearFree?  (https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/merge_requests/1006)
2023-09-15 23:10:47	phrik	Title: Sign in · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2023-09-15 23:12:30	Hunker	Looking in the journal on the lightdm service: there are 2 things.. ( I am logged in in to lxde alright) gkr-pam: unable to locate daemon control file   Wat is this about?
2023-09-15 23:34:50	rcf	The-Compiler: this is much saner than Firefox, which doesn't link to ffmpeg at all because they insist on using vendored and system libraries simultaneously through dlopen(). 
2023-09-15 23:37:17	rcf	Though that's also a lesson in not relying on dependencies or linkage alone to indicate safety.
2023-09-15 23:38:41	rcf	Hunker: from what I can find, it indicates that gnome-keyring isn't running (yet). Nothing to worry about. 
2023-09-15 23:40:46	The-Compiler	rcf: browser build systems and sane in the same sentence, I'm impressed
2023-09-15 23:52:35	topcat001	fixeria: correct. We don't have it yet. The man page was also updated upstream so that is yet another way to confirm.
2023-09-16 00:05:04	fixeria	topcat001: ok, good to know.  I will keep an eye on the package version updates then.
2023-09-16 00:07:39	fixeria	topcat001: though, I think it's worth mentioning so in that wiki section.  I have no experience editing Arch wiki (and not sure if anyone has permissions to propose edits), but I could add such a note
2023-09-16 00:22:59	topcat001	Yes I was also surprised to see that entry. I would have updated it but I feel we'll get the update soon in the released version of xorg-server.
2023-09-16 01:03:15	xamindar	hmm, kde plasma usb automount mounts usb drives as read only.....any idea what is causing this? My other arch systems do not do this.
2023-09-16 01:03:32	xamindar	i recently built this install so might have missed something
2023-09-16 01:03:49	Namarrgon	anything funny in the kernel log?
2023-09-16 01:04:20	xamindar	Namarrgon: hahaha good call my man
2023-09-16 01:04:22	xamindar	[161478.210448] FAT-fs (sdb1): error, fat_bmap_cluster: request beyond EOF (i_pos 1056784)
2023-09-16 01:04:30	xamindar	i should have started there lol
2023-09-16 01:04:42	Namarrgon	vfat always delivers
2023-09-16 01:06:41	xamindar	yeah haha, there are like 2018 of those lines in dmesg
2023-09-16 01:08:29	Trel	Question, I had a network hit and KDE's networks widget now shows no network.  I've recovered, but the widget still shows that.  Is there any way to restart whatever is monitoring that without having to log out/in of Plasma?
2023-09-16 01:11:40	Namarrgon	"a network hit"?
2023-09-16 01:12:02	Trel	lost connection for a moment, hit multiple devices
2023-09-16 01:12:51	Trel	I quit KDE and started it again, it's fine now.  (The network was fine other than the initial hit, the issue was false reporting from that widget)
2023-09-16 01:13:03	Namarrgon	have you tried the restart-the-widget trick?
2023-09-16 01:13:08	Namarrgon	ah
2023-09-16 01:13:43	Namarrgon	if you can reproduce it reliably then report the bug upstream
2023-09-16 01:14:07	Trel	Namarrgon: nope, but that's a trick I'd like to know if it happens again
2023-09-16 01:14:36	Trel	It's the one as part of the tray area, so I'm not sure if it's something I could restart or if it'd be the whole tray widget
2023-09-16 01:16:56	Namarrgon	you can remove and re-add the widget
2023-09-16 01:24:02	Trel	Ah I'm not sure it would've helped with one of the entries in the tray itself. But oh well, can do more digging if it ever happens again.
2023-09-16 01:40:32	⚡ 	cloudowind greets everyone
2023-09-16 02:44:37	brocellous	Ah, here's a weird thing
2023-09-16 02:45:34	brocellous	I can't seem to get debug level log messages out of any systemd service?
2023-09-16 02:45:53	brocellous	setting the SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL=debug or using service-log-level don't seem to ahve any effect.
2023-09-16 02:47:42	brocellous	well it is sufficient to suppress info messages at lower debug levels I mean
2023-09-16 02:47:58	brocellous	but I can't get systemd to emit any debug messages
2023-09-16 02:48:13	brocellous	It definitely used to work
2023-09-16 02:52:25	brocellous	Ah wait, I got it. I had MaxLevelStore=info in journald.conf
2023-09-16 03:13:54	lmat	When I run jackd, I get output like "Could not open component .so '/usr/lib/jack/jack_firewire.so': libffado.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"  Is this a fatal error, or informational? I'm not using firewire.
2023-09-16 03:15:49	thurstylark	lmat: that file apparently belongs to extra/libffado, which is listed as optional for jack2, so my guess would be it'
2023-09-16 03:15:57	thurstylark	s not a critical error
2023-09-16 03:16:08	lmat	thurstylark: Thank you! I'll proceed and see if I can get it working.
2023-09-16 03:16:45	lmat	A long time ago, I wrote a script to get pulseaudio to play through jack. I'm trying to make that go again. I didn't leave many notes...I have a vague memory of lots of "wires" connected to lots of "boxes"... I don't see that now, but I'm sure it'll be great!
2023-09-16 03:17:42	thurstylark	Also, steps to get to that info: `pacman -F <filename>` then `pacman -Sii <package>` and look under "Optional For:"
2023-09-16 03:18:28	lmat	thurstylark: Nice.
2023-09-16 03:24:09	thurstylark	lmat: pipewire can interface both with jack and pipewire clients if you want to give that the go
2023-09-16 03:24:26	lmat	thurstylark: I'm not that curious ^_^
2023-09-16 03:24:47	thurstylark	fair, just a possible direction since pw is the new hotness :P
2023-09-16 03:25:02	lmat	thurstylark: yup, and thanks for pointing it out.
2023-09-16 03:35:34	brjl	Hello everyone. Just here to inform you about that problem with obs. With EGL_BAD_CONTEXT and what not
2023-09-16 03:35:42	brjl	Changing to an AMD card solved the problem
2023-09-16 03:36:05	brjl	Thank you all :þ
2023-09-16 03:42:29	dviola	Namarrgon: congrats for? I was trying to figure out where that path is coming from because the file does not exist
2023-09-16 03:44:00	dviola	e.g. the /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb1/1-1/1-1.3/1-1.3:1.0/media0/uevent one
2023-09-16 03:46:28	dviola	in my case, it's slightly different, ep_86 instead of media0, but what makes mkinitcpio look into that non-existing path/file?
2023-09-16 03:53:06	dviola	I wonder if this has something to do with it: https://github.com/archlinux/mkinitcpio/blob/master/functions#L382-L383 -- I wouldn't know how to reproduce it either way...
2023-09-16 03:55:41	dviola	there's a uevent there somewhere but it's not where mkinitcpio thinks it is
2023-09-16 04:01:08	Commander_Keen	are clipboard applications terminal specific? I just switched to alacritty and my clipboard doesnt work in the Alacritty terminal
2023-09-16 04:25:42	dviola	Namarrgon: do you think it would be worth filing a bug report for this?
2023-09-16 04:48:02	vee	Commander_Keen: clipboards are a bitch; try ctrl shift c/v in alacritty
2023-09-16 04:52:00	Commander_Keen	ah ok thanks vee
2023-09-16 04:52:34	Commander_Keen	hey another question - this one is about yay, im tryin download the sioyek pdf viewer from the aur but get this error:
2023-09-16 04:52:37	Commander_Keen	 -> Failed to install the following packages. Manual intervention is required:
2023-09-16 04:52:40	Commander_Keen	sioyek-git - exit status 4
2023-09-16 04:53:24	vee	your system up to date and rebooted?
2023-09-16 04:54:45	Commander_Keen	i just updated recently, but I can try that (its probably something that simple)
2023-09-16 04:59:01	Commander_Keen	just from looking at the packages that are updating I'm pretty sure that was the problem
2023-09-16 05:17:32	x0rn	actually it still didnt work - im going to manually install it from github, but this means there is a problem with either the package (sioyek-git on the AUR) or yay itself
2023-09-16 05:22:01	x0rn	its sioyek - it doesnt work manually either
2023-09-16 05:27:33	espresso	x0rn: if you try another aur helper, I have only good experiences with https://github.com/Morganamilo/paru from a former core yay dev
2023-09-16 05:42:13	mingdao	aur/sioyek-git 1:1.5.0.r34.g95fe563-2 (+7 0.01) (Out-of-date: 2023-08-29)
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2023-09-16 08:35:49	NiceNickName	hey, what happened to the community repo?
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2023-09-16 08:41:36	dviola	do arch devs build packages on their own machines, or are they required to build it on a build server?
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2023-09-16 09:21:21	dviola	tpowa: what's confusing to me is that the initramfs package itself doesn't exist, yet the PKGBUILD has a reference to it
2023-09-16 09:21:39	BrainDamage	dviola: it's a provides
2023-09-16 09:21:40	tpowa	it's a provides depend
2023-09-16 09:22:55	BrainDamage	if you search for it, you'll get mkinitcpio, dracut, etc
2023-09-16 09:23:21	hao_	it took  several seconds for `su` to report authentication failed, why it took so long?
2023-09-16 09:23:49	BrainDamage	intentional delay
2023-09-16 09:23:56	dviola	BrainDamage, tpowa: interesting, thanks
2023-09-16 09:23:59	BrainDamage	to prevent bruteforce
2023-09-16 09:25:32	dviola	so a provides can be just a search entry, interesting
2023-09-16 09:27:00	hao_	BrainDamage: really... thanks
2023-09-16 09:27:58	BrainDamage	it could in theory report immediately that it failed, and say that'll lock you out for x seconds, but I guess nobody coded that
2023-09-16 09:28:15	BrainDamage	and probably a bit spammish
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2023-09-16 10:40:07	dirtcastle	sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager.service
2023-09-16 10:40:08	dirtcastle	Job for NetworkManager.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
2023-09-16 10:40:08	dirtcastle	See "systemctl status NetworkManager.service" and "journalctl -xeu NetworkManager.service" for details.
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2023-09-16 10:40:24	dirtcastle	how to fix th
2023-09-16 10:40:28	dirtcastle	thid
2023-09-16 10:40:33	Gnana	majro?
2023-09-16 10:40:38	dirtcastle	network manager is not rnning
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2023-09-16 10:40:45	dirtcastle	no arch only
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2023-09-16 10:41:13	Gnana	why you usig it. simpley run with systemctl
2023-09-16 10:41:29	Gnana	wpa_supplicant and dhcpcd service
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2023-09-16 10:41:43	ChrisWarrick	dirtcastle: did you check the systemctl status and the journal?
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2023-09-16 10:42:01	dirtcastle	nope ChrisWarrick . shall I send it here
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2023-09-16 10:42:13	ChrisWarrick	start by reading it
2023-09-16 10:42:19	ChrisWarrick	if you don’t have any ideas,
2023-09-16 10:42:20	ChrisWarrick	!paste
2023-09-16 10:42:21	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2023-09-16 10:44:02	dirtcastle	Https://paste.rs/8yXRR
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2023-09-16 10:53:03	dirtcastle	ChrisWarrick: output of journalctl - Https://paste.rs/8yXRR
2023-09-16 10:53:03	ChrisWarrick	Sep 16 14:11:41 archlinux NetworkManager[3229]: <error> [1694853701.0639] bus-manager: fatal failure to acquire D-Bus service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManager" (3). Service already taken
2023-09-16 10:53:03	ChrisWarrick	perhaps there’s some zombie service. Did you try rebooting?
2023-09-16 10:53:03	dirtcastle	yes
2023-09-16 10:53:03	dirtcastle	multiple t
2023-09-16 10:53:03	dirtcastle	times
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2023-09-16 10:53:03	dirtcastle	rebooting again
2023-09-16 10:53:03	Wennadocta	!rs
2023-09-16 10:53:03	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2023-09-16 10:53:03	dirtcastle	rebooted again  
2023-09-16 10:53:03	dirtcastle	output of nmcli
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2023-09-16 10:53:03	dirtcastle	Warning: nmcli (1.44.0) and NetworkManager (Unknown) versions don't match. Restarting NetworkManager is advised.
2023-09-16 10:53:03	dirtcastle	Error: NetworkManager is not running.
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2023-09-16 10:53:52	dirtcastle	ChrisWarrick: 
2023-09-16 10:54:56	ChrisWarrick	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=217718 suggests you might have something that impersonates networkmanager running
2023-09-16 10:54:57	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] NetworkManager does not start / Networking, Server, and Protection / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-09-16 10:55:13	ChrisWarrick	do you have any other network management services?
2023-09-16 10:55:45	dirtcastle	i installed proton vpn
2023-09-16 10:56:04	dirtcastle	it asked for sudo password couple of times 
2023-09-16 10:56:24	ChrisWarrick	and networkmanager stopped working after that protonvpn install?
2023-09-16 10:56:32	dirtcastle	kinda yeah
2023-09-16 10:56:39	ChrisWarrick	you should have told us that earlier
2023-09-16 10:56:51	dirtcastle	also I updated after weeks 
2023-09-16 10:57:00	ChrisWarrick	installing things using random scripts that break your system doesn’t end well, and most VPN services are snake oil
2023-09-16 10:57:16	Gnana	whats snake oil?
2023-09-16 10:57:18	dirtcastle	oh sorry 
2023-09-16 10:57:21	ChrisWarrick	you’ll need to figure out what the script did to break networkmanager, perhaps it installed its own incompatible service
2023-09-16 10:58:13	dirtcastle	I just did yay -S protonvpn
2023-09-16 10:58:33	Gnana	sudo pacman -R protonvpn
2023-09-16 10:59:00	ChrisWarrick	more like -Rs
2023-09-16 10:59:39	dirtcastle	I did yay -R openvpn
2023-09-16 11:00:16	dirtcastle	and rebooted. still wifi doesn't work
2023-09-16 11:00:31	Gnana	yay -R protonvpn
2023-09-16 11:00:47	dirtcastle	yeah I did that
2023-09-16 11:01:01	ChrisWarrick	-R might not have removed all the packages
2023-09-16 11:01:04	dirtcastle	rebooting again
2023-09-16 11:01:21	ChrisWarrick	dirtcastle: pacman -Rs protonvpn-cli protonvpn-gui
2023-09-16 11:01:58	jclsn	Is it possible that the chaotic AUR makes the pacman cache grow immensely?
2023-09-16 11:02:21	jclsn	I just deleted 60GB (!) of pacman cache /var/cache/pacman
2023-09-16 11:03:02	ChrisWarrick	jclsn: if you have big AUR packages that are updated daily, then maybe
2023-09-16 11:03:20	ChrisWarrick	jclsn: pacman doesn’t clear the cache AFAIK, and the cache contains all packages you ever installed
2023-09-16 11:03:22	dirtcastle	did that and rebooted ChrisWarrick 
2023-09-16 11:03:58	jclsn	ChrisWarrick: Alright, I guess that is the case then. I mean the only reason I like to use it, is because some packages from the AUR take ages to build
2023-09-16 11:04:56	jclsn	Maybe I should use an autoclean cronjob
2023-09-16 11:05:27	susi	jclsn: there's pacman hook for that (paccache) in pacman-contrib
2023-09-16 11:06:11	jclsn	susi: Thx, just discovered that myself
2023-09-16 11:06:16	susi	or I don't know if the hook comes with it, but I have made a hook that runs paccache -rk0 automatically
2023-09-16 11:06:19	dirtcastle	ChrisWarrick: still it doesn't work
2023-09-16 11:06:56	ChrisWarrick	dirtcastle: check if you have some weird process or service still running that might be VPN-related
2023-09-16 11:07:09	dirtcastle	how to check
2023-09-16 11:07:25	ChrisWarrick	systemctl? ps?
2023-09-16 11:08:52	dirtcastle	connman-vpn.service ChrisWarrick 
2023-09-16 11:08:54	dirtcastle	?
2023-09-16 11:08:59	dirtcastle	does that c
2023-09-16 11:09:03	dirtcastle	count?
2023-09-16 11:09:03	ChrisWarrick	is it running?
2023-09-16 11:09:07	dirtcastle	yes
2023-09-16 11:09:52	ChrisWarrick	the thread I linked to earlier (https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=217718) says that connman and networkmanager are not compatible, and you need to remove connman.
2023-09-16 11:09:52	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] NetworkManager does not start / Networking, Server, and Protection / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-09-16 11:10:31	dirtcastle	uninstalled connman and rebooting 
2023-09-16 11:12:25	dirtcastle	it's working ChrisWarrick . thank you for your time!
2023-09-16 11:12:34	ChrisWarrick	you’re welcome!
2023-09-16 11:45:05	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-16 13:13:53	Namarrgon	dviola: congrats to your exotic issue, i meant. seeing as it's an old one you might have to bring some patience but sure, you should get it fixed.
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2023-09-16 13:17:11	dviola	Namarrgon: ok
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2023-09-16 13:24:27	dviola	I would like to see if I can reproduce it on a VM, then I might be able to do some debugging
2023-09-16 13:24:35	dviola	I have no idea how though
2023-09-16 13:26:04	Namarrgon	you can try to pass the camera or the whole usb hub into the vm
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2023-09-16 13:26:51	dviola	I'll try that, thanks
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2023-09-16 13:52:15	dpirate_	Hi, what's a good channel on this network to ask about Linux networking questions?
2023-09-16 13:53:32	susi	#networking 
2023-09-16 13:54:02	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-16 14:08:04	susi	but also this is a fine place for most of Archie questions, not just newbie questions that could be considered purely "Arch related"
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2023-09-16 14:11:19	dpirate_	ok thanks
2023-09-16 14:12:29	dpirate_	 I'm trying to set up a VPN service (ProtonVPN) that I access with wireguard on my (Arch) Linux router to share it on the LAN through SOCKS5 (dante). The wireguard connection seems to work fine, I can ping the IP at the other end of the wireguard connection. But it won't let through my SOCKS5 traffic. I am guessing that there may be routing problems because I already have a default route for
2023-09-16 14:12:29	dpirate_	regular internet traffic on that router. Is my 
2023-09-16 14:12:29	dpirate_	suspicion correct? If so, any pointers (tutorials) on how to set up the routing correctly? (I'm using systemd-networkd on that router)
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2023-09-16 14:22:45	test___	hey my touchpad stopped working suddenly - even in a live system I can not move the cursor - /proc/bus/input/devices doesnt list it: Power Button,Lid Switch,AT Translated Set 2 keyboard,Video Bus,Fujitsu FUJ02E3,PC Speaker,HDA Intel PCH Mic,HDA Intel PCH Headphone,HDA Intel PCH HDMI/DP,pcm=3,HDA Intel PCH HDMI/DP,pcm=7,HDA Intel PCH HDMI/DP,pcm=8,USB OPTICAL MOUSE ,USB OPTICAL MOUSE  Keyboard
2023-09-16 14:23:17	test___	it just stopped during normal computer operation - no update, no intensive use, etc.
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2023-09-16 14:46:51	test___	any idea how to debug?
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2023-09-16 14:52:29	Namarrgon	test___: which laptop model?
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2023-09-16 14:59:16	SysGhost	English sucks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm-VdpMHaPQ
2023-09-16 14:59:18	phrik	Title: English Makes No Sense: Flammable vs. Inflammable - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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2023-09-16 17:47:48	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
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2023-09-16 17:55:54	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
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2023-09-16 17:55:56	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-16 18:44:57	lucenera	I use systemd-boot, I have activated Secure Boot, how do I use TPM's PCR to make booting even more secure?
2023-09-16 18:45:14	lucenera	Documentation is very poor.
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2023-09-16 18:46:28	lucenera	 systemd[1]: TPM2 PCR Barrier (initrd) was skipped because of an unmet condition check (ConditionPathExists=/sys/firmware/efi/efivars/StubPcrKernelImage-4a67b082-0a4c-41cf-b6c7-440b29bb8c4f)
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2023-09-16 18:47:29	lucenera	Then there is this message in dmesg, which is true, because that file is missing. But why is it looking for that?
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2023-09-16 18:53:57	Edu4rdSHL	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface/Secure_Boot
2023-09-16 18:53:58	phrik	Title: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface/Secure Boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-16 19:29:14	masterkorp	Hello everyone
2023-09-16 19:29:27	masterkorp	since monday my evolution stopped syncing email
2023-09-16 19:29:42	masterkorp	does not send does not receive, on any of my boxes
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2023-09-16 19:57:44	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
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2023-09-16 19:48:22	mingdao	You'll get better help if you post according to this: http://www.co.kerr.tx.us/it/howtoreport.html 
2023-09-16 19:48:24	phrik	Title: FGA: Please follow the standard litany when giving a problem report. (at www.co.kerr.tx.us)
2023-09-16 19:57:44	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-16 20:10:58	brian__	Hi! I have been running a server on Arch for about 6 months now. Hosting a nextcloud instance, some trivial web pages, and my email. Prior to that, I ran an ubuntu server doing the same thing for about 9 years. I'd like to give a friend ssh access to be able to back up his files to an attached drive, and perhaps some other limited activity. Is there anything particular that I should do (file
2023-09-16 20:10:58	brian__	permissions, etc) to prep for a sort of 
2023-09-16 20:10:58	brian__	shared tenancy like this?
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2023-09-16 20:13:20	brian__	I trust him quite a bit, I'm sure I could give him sudo access with no issues, but I'm curious what best practice would be, if anything 
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2023-09-16 20:33:48	intelfx[web]	Hey. Is there someone I could poke to restore access to my account on the arch gitlab? I mailed accountsupport@ but it's been a few days already
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2023-09-16 20:35:04	pulec	so I have been trying upscaling via vulkan, I come in terms that it needs loads of space and like 3 days per 20 minute cartoon episode
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2023-09-16 20:43:15	mkoskar	intelfx[web]: rip I guess you have to wait
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2023-09-16 20:44:53	demonicmaniac1	pulec: huh are you sure it's using vulkan and not a cpu implementation? also for cartoons i guess use waifu2x instead of any of the esrgan/etc options costing much more and more for complex images
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2023-09-16 20:47:35	demonicmaniac1	pulec: if waifu2x-vulkan backend is too slow till you can try anime4k - that in general does badly with < 1080p source though but it is realtime
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2023-09-16 20:49:16	pulec	yes, I checked with radeonontop
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2023-09-16 20:49:47	pulec	it's maybe ~5 hours on my ryzen 5800x3d but I moved things on my NAS, Athlon 200GE :-)
2023-09-16 20:49:55	pulec	which is busy doing other tasks, but iGPU is free
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2023-09-16 20:50:03	pulec	so that's why it takes 3 days
2023-09-16 20:50:23	pulec	6s to upscale a frame, 50k frames
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2023-09-16 20:52:41	demonicmaniac1	hm gui or cli and which algorithm?
2023-09-16 20:52:46	pulec	cli
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2023-09-16 20:53:00	pulec	--driver waifu2x_ncnn_vulkan
2023-09-16 20:53:17	pulec	it's arch server, no display running
2023-09-16 20:53:26	demonicmaniac1	i'd maybe try a short a simple between waifu2x anime4k and realcugan and see which is fastest at still ok quality
2023-09-16 20:53:34	demonicmaniac1	*short sample
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2023-09-16 20:53:57	pulec	nah the cartoon is bellow 1080p, I am just curious really
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2023-09-16 20:54:21	pulec	but if you say anime4k is having issues with smaller sources, then it's not even worth trying
2023-09-16 20:54:52	demonicmaniac1	hm then realcugan maybe that's not optimized for anime per se, generic but faster than waifu2x 
2023-09-16 20:54:54	pulec	oh right, realcugan could work for anime
2023-09-16 20:55:02	pulec	yes https://github.com/k4yt3x/video2x/wiki/Algorithms
2023-09-16 20:55:22	pulec	I'll try after 3 days :-)
2023-09-16 20:55:35	demonicmaniac1	also not sure if radeontop shows 100% utilization or if you have room to try 2/3/4/5 processes to fully load the vega
2023-09-16 20:55:38	demonicmaniac1	:D
2023-09-16 20:56:05	pulec	I did just -p1, poor athlon is busy enough
2023-09-16 20:56:22	demonicmaniac1	but yeah fair, the vega3 is pretty weak compared to a 5700 heh
2023-09-16 20:56:29	demonicmaniac1	or a vega8 even
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2023-09-16 20:57:42	pulec	indeed, but even if absolutely loaded, the whole system working as NAS/CCTV hub/media server/etc with 5 drives eats only 50w and is happily making noise in basement
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2023-09-16 20:58:30	pulec	ryzen 5600 with 5700 or ryzen 5800x3d with 6700 would be quite a bit faster, but it would make noise in places where noise is unwanted, and eat much more and when they do that they're usually used for gaming
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2023-09-16 20:58:54	demonicmaniac1	if there's space you can get low profile arc 370m/310 for like 100 bucks nowadays heh - which would also give you av1 transcoding and inteloneapi ai stuff
2023-09-16 20:59:23	pulec	souds nice, are they that cheap?
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2023-09-16 21:01:24	demonicmaniac1	like 150€ for a new a380 low profile here with 6gb vram and av1 transcoding. can't seem to find an a310 locally 
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2023-09-16 21:02:16	pulec	yes a380 for 150 here as well, for 370m I got obviously notebook results
2023-09-16 21:02:49	pulec	150 for gpu with av1 sounds certainly useful
2023-09-16 21:03:12	demonicmaniac1	a310 also has av1 and it's a cutdown version with just 4gb vram 
2023-09-16 21:03:26	pulec	unrelated: if I encoded e.g. my CCTV/dashcam recordings to av1 how is the software decoding? pretty demanding for most devices, right?
2023-09-16 21:03:38	pulec	I can't even find a310 on ebay
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2023-09-16 21:10:19	thingfish	I'd kind of like to use Pidgin, but it looks terrible -- like Windows 95 or something.  I must be missing something, but Googling around didn't produce much.
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2023-09-16 21:10:51	thingfish	I wonder if it's a gtk thing.
2023-09-16 21:11:00	thingfish	sorry I'm not much of a geek.
2023-09-16 21:11:03	virt	Hello, Everytime I reach SDDM, it takes like 20-30 seconds for my mouse and keyboard to enable before I can type in a password. Is there any way to get the mouse and keyboard to initialize sooner?
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2023-09-16 21:25:45	rcf	thingfish: it's very old, relatively speaking. 
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2023-09-16 21:34:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
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2023-09-16 21:31:13	Edu4rdSHL	Hasn't Pidgin always been like this?
2023-09-16 21:31:26	Edu4rdSHL	s/this/that/
2023-09-16 21:34:01	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-09-16 21:35:00	masterkorp	Somewhat random, do any one here still use claws mail ? 
2023-09-16 21:37:23	thingfish	rcf: yes it's rather old, maybe too old I'm finding out.
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2023-09-16 21:40:01	rcf	Edu4rdSHL: that's the thing, it's emulating instant messaging from a bygone era. 
2023-09-16 21:41:56	rcf	thingfish: one thing that will keep it looking a bit out of date is the fact that it's still on gtk2 
2023-09-16 21:42:06	thingfish	ah yes
2023-09-16 21:42:26	rcf	If you're used to modern GNOME, it's... not that. 
2023-09-16 21:42:27	thingfish	I fired up an Ubuntu VM and Pidgin looks fine in it.
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2023-09-16 21:42:49	thingfish	it's no big deal, I was just bored and fiddling with stuff.
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2023-09-16 21:53:13	Edu4rdSHL	thingfish, what are you trying to use pidgin for? XMPP?
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2023-09-16 22:07:40	drathir_tor	masterkorp: claws mail still useful minimalistic and effifient tool...
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2023-09-16 22:13:06	hnOsmium0001	has anybody had the problem of a CUPS printer shared as IPP works fine on clients (windows, mac, linux cups, on the local network)
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2023-09-16 22:13:39	hnOsmium0001	but stops working after a few weeks, symptom is any print job issued to the printer just gets nowhere
2023-09-16 22:14:18	hnOsmium0001	the server running CUPS/sharing the printer almost certainly restarted and sleep/reawakened -- I'm not sure if this have anything to do with the issue
2023-09-16 22:14:46	hnOsmium0001	the physical printer itself is connected to the server with USB, and if I issue print jobs on the server itself, nothing goes wrong ever -- so this isn't the issue
2023-09-16 22:15:11	hnOsmium0001	(deleting the IPP printer on client machines, and readding it fixes the issue)
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2023-09-16 22:17:05	another|	masterkorp: yes. currently trying kmail and thunderbird and both suck in their own way. probably going back to claws
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2023-09-16 22:26:00	teraflops	hnOsmium0001: maybe the printer is not accepting jobs or it gets disabled, you can see that in printer properties 
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2023-09-16 22:27:05	hnOsmium0001	as in on the client machines?
2023-09-16 22:27:22	teraflops	in cups web inteface
2023-09-16 22:27:32	teraflops	interface, or command line 
2023-09-16 22:28:20	hnOsmium0001	in CUPS I've checked, the printer is always correctly at Idle
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2023-09-16 22:29:09	hnOsmium0001	does CUPS have anything of like a generatedly generated ID of each printer, in addition to its name? maybe that ID gets regenerated somehow and the client machines still have the old one?
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2023-09-16 22:33:30	teraflops	next time it happens try to run 'cupsaccept _printername_' on the printer machine
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2023-09-16 22:34:07	hnOsmium0001	got it, thanks
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2023-09-16 22:35:15	hnOsmium0001	note for self: I also checked the wiki https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/CUPS/Printer_sharing#Printer_sharing again, it seems like I never made CUPS `Listen hostname:631` in addition to enabling DNS-SD adver. and accepting lan connections, maybe that has something to do with it
2023-09-16 22:35:16	phrik	Title: CUPS/Printer sharing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-16 22:35:44	hnOsmium0001	maybe I could try manually adding the IPP url instead of relying on the advertised printer on client machines
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2023-09-16 22:36:54	teraflops	my last printer supports wireless and it works surprisingly well
2023-09-16 22:37:05	teraflops	same for scanner
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2023-09-16 22:39:47	mingdao	hnOsmium0001: I give my printer a static IP via DHCP (dhcpd.conf) to that it's always the same, then just use `lp -d <printer_name> <file>` from CLI, and http://192.168.54.9/ where I have a web browser.
2023-09-16 22:40:00	mingdao	s/to/so
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2023-09-16 22:43:02	hnOsmium0001	unfortunate this one I have has a pretty spotty wifi connection, so I resorted to running it behind a separate CUPS server
2023-09-16 22:43:46	hnOsmium0001	yeah if I had one that worked over wifi at least most of the time, I would've have jumped through so many hoops with CUPS sharing either
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2023-09-16 22:44:24	masterkorp	another| do you have good docs on setting up with a google account ? 
2023-09-16 22:44:44	masterkorp	evolution just stops working sometimes
2023-09-16 22:44:51	masterkorp	at the worst times
2023-09-16 22:44:59	masterkorp	giving thunderbird a try 
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2023-09-17 10:36:52	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
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2023-09-16 22:48:19	another|	I don't use google
2023-09-16 23:19:13	Trel	I keep my printer on an isolated, non-internet capable) subney
2023-09-16 23:19:18	Trel	*subnet
2023-09-16 23:19:37	Trel	I then allow connections to it from my main and guest network
2023-09-16 23:20:28	Trel	Only down side I've seen is you need to know the ip or hostname since being on another subnet means no auto discover
2023-09-16 23:40:52	lucenera	Edu4rdSHL There is nothing really useful in Archwiki in this regard.
2023-09-16 23:41:41	mingdao	Trel: That's what I do here.  The wired ones on VLAN 100 have no problem communicating to VLAN 54 (for wireless devices); but, on VLAN 54 things like the wife's iPhone couldn't communicate with VLAN 100, so I wired the printer but IP'ed it to VLAN 54, so now all the devices are happily using it.
2023-09-16 23:47:50	zeratul	does typing pacman -Sy generate a different result than typing pacman -Syyy ?
2023-09-16 23:49:24	Namarrgon	-y and -yy are different, yes
2023-09-16 23:49:30	Namarrgon	-yyy doesn't make any sense
2023-09-16 23:49:39	drrlvn	zeratul from the man page: "Passing two --refresh or -y flags will force a refresh of all package databases, even if they appear to be up-to-date."
2023-09-16 23:53:40	heat	-Syyyyyyyyu
2023-09-16 23:53:49	heat	just to make sure it *really* updates
2023-09-16 23:55:57	cloudowind	heat: what are you doing here
2023-09-16 23:56:11	heat	i use arch btw
2023-09-16 23:56:15	cloudowind	oh ok
2023-09-17 00:59:59	mingdao	!give gladosator politewelcome
2023-09-17 01:00:00	phrik	gladosator: Welcome to #archlinux - How can we help you?
2023-09-17 01:26:25	topcat001	pulec: Do you have any AV1 capable GPUs? I don't, but I can "Direct Play" (hardware decode) from Plex to my Chromecast Ultra.
2023-09-17 01:27:11	topcat001	cpu decode is costly for 4k, ok for 2K (using mpv)
2023-09-17 01:28:32	topcat001	I have encoded some of my old discs to av1 for my media server. Really like the codec.
2023-09-17 01:40:22	pulec	no I don't have any av1 gpus
2023-09-17 01:40:45	pulec	I can play 4k with athlon200ge at full load with jellyfin and jellyfin-mediaplayer no problem
2023-09-17 01:42:00	Wennadocta	topcat001 doesn't av1 encoding take forever?
2023-09-17 01:42:34	Wennadocta	It takes like one minute to encode one second pf video 
2023-09-17 01:55:37	topcat001	Yes it's slow but I just run it on a 9th gen i9 desktop.
2023-09-17 01:56:30	topcat001	I'm just trying it out.
2023-09-17 01:58:23	latef_02	hello guys i use this command in the .xinirc but it work just switch language and button switch escape caps  lock not work anyone know why setxkbmap -layout fr,ara -option grp:lalt_lshift_toggle caps:escape
2023-09-17 02:02:37	MacGyver	latef_02: Can you try to separate that into multiple sentences?
2023-09-17 02:02:57	MacGyver	latef_02: In particular, a sentence that states what the actual problem is, because as it is now I can't tell.
2023-09-17 02:03:23	topcat001	please use punctuation at least :)
2023-09-17 02:04:21	latef_02	setxkbmap -layout fr,ara -option grp:lalt_lshift_toggle caps:escape (caps:escape not work on startup)
2023-09-17 02:04:40	topcat001	what window manager or DE are you running?
2023-09-17 02:04:47	latef_02	dwm
2023-09-17 02:05:06	latef_02	i put this in .xinitrc
2023-09-17 02:05:27	topcat001	I'm not super familiar with dwm, but is it capable of interfering via its own settings?
2023-09-17 02:06:13	topcat001	Related Q: does running your setxkbmap command manually from an exterm (or equivalent) work?
2023-09-17 02:07:18	latef_02	topcat001, yeah it work inside dwm but when i restart the server the caps:escape switch not work but altshift switch its work great
2023-09-17 02:09:14	topcat001	it's possible dwm (which follows setxkbmap in your .xinitrc presumably) might be resetting it. Could you try say twm as a test which for sure does not do anything?
2023-09-17 02:10:48	topcat001	twm is my favourite for debugging X, but please use anything you like. Even a plain xterm as your last line in .xinitrc can be used. You won't have a WM in the latter case but you can test. Quitting the xterm will exit X.
2023-09-17 02:36:06	MrElendig	make a xorg.conf.d snipplet instead
2023-09-17 02:40:01	dviola	Namarrgon: I tried to reproduce the mkinitcpio issue on the VM (with the webcam passed through) and couldn't reproduce it, the only thing I can think of that caused the issue is maybe the webcam was in a busy state and autodetect hook failed for that reason but that's just me speculating on the issue
2023-09-17 03:06:57	topcat001	While pointing someone to https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Zram I think I found a typo in the wording:
2023-09-17 03:06:58	phrik	Title: zram - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-17 03:07:30	topcat001	If the related zswap kernel feature remains enabled, it will prevent zram from being used effectively. This is because zswap functions as a swap cache in front of zram, intercepting and compressing evicted memory pages before they can reach zram. Despite the output of zramctl(8), most of zswap (*** should be zram ***) is unused in this circumstance.
2023-09-17 04:16:51	Hunker	Hi, i have dns set to 1.1.1.1 in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
2023-09-17 04:17:13	Hunker	but the router steal the dns when rebooting
2023-09-17 04:17:32	Hunker	how can I set it so that it can't?
2023-09-17 04:38:40	institor	Hunker: you can instruct DHCP clients to use a particular DNS server by specifying option 6
2023-09-17 04:43:53	secular	you could also set whatever dns server you want statically in dhcpcd.conf
2023-09-17 08:13:39	kode54	oi
2023-09-17 08:13:46	kode54	handbrake needs another optional dependency
2023-09-17 08:14:43	kode54	it needs onevpl-intel-gpu to support most of the codecs on newer Intel GPUs
2023-09-17 08:15:41	kode54	well, onevpl and onevpl-intel-gpu
2023-09-17 08:34:13	kode54	hmm: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/76968
2023-09-17 08:34:17	phrik	Title: FS#76968 : [handbrake] QSV not ebabled in HB 1.6 (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-09-17 09:40:49	amosbird	Is there a browser that can launch in <= 200 milliseconds for rendering interactive svg images purpose only?
2023-09-17 09:41:53	gladosator	Hi, I have the latest ArchISO Live USB, and I can't seem to connect it to the internet dhcpcd just always complains about "No IPv6 routers available" I would like to give log files but due to pastebin requiring that I be online it is quite impossible due to the networking being the issue. Do also note that I'm not talking about Wifi this is wired ethernet coming in to my ASUSTek motherboard. If
2023-09-17 09:41:53	gladosator	someone could help or point m
2023-09-17 09:41:54	gladosator	e in the right direction for resources regrading this issue, I would be very grateful.
2023-09-17 09:48:23	vee	gladosator: try setting a static ip if you can; might be easiest route
2023-09-17 09:51:27	gladosator	vee: Though `ip address add`? 
2023-09-17 09:53:16	vee	yes;  something like   ip addr add w.x.y.z/32 broadcast  w.x.y.255  dev  DEVN  ; ip route add default via <gateway> dev DEVN
2023-09-17 09:53:43	gladosator	Ok
2023-09-17 09:53:58	vee	can tag in a nameserver to /etc/resolv.conf and then you can roll
2023-09-17 09:54:19	vee	may need to ip route add the 'link' thing too but i think that should work
2023-09-17 09:55:31	vee	(typicallly i aim for a temporary static ip, enable sshd on root and install things via ssh)
2023-09-17 09:56:05	v9fk	heat: why are you using arch?
2023-09-17 09:57:13	gladosator	vee: Also what would w.x.y.d Is that like 10.0.1.1 ? Or is that the subnet mask so 255.255.255.0
2023-09-17 09:57:15	vee	amosbird: maybe load any browser into a ram-disk (and all local files) if you want launch-speed
2023-09-17 09:57:55	vee	so if your router is on  10.0.1.100; you can pick an ip w.x.y.z like 10.0.1.1/32   or 10.0.1.1/255.255.255.255
2023-09-17 09:58:32	vee	broadcast would be  10.0.1.255
2023-09-17 09:59:07	gladosator	Ah so I w.x.y.d is the IP address I want my computer to have if I understand correctly?
2023-09-17 09:59:21	vee	correct
2023-09-17 10:05:32	gladosator	vee: Ok so I have done that but if I do ping 1.1.1.1 still nothing as "Destination host is unreachable"
2023-09-17 10:07:00	vee	https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/37lwhq/new_arch_box_persistent_static_ip_help/  quickest copy-paste link i found; that /24 is not what i said (via /32) - it would be 255.255.255.0 if you go that route
2023-09-17 10:07:02	phrik	Title: New Arch Box / Persistent Static IP Help : archlinux (at www.reddit.com)
2023-09-17 10:07:05	vee	the 3 lines at the top
2023-09-17 10:07:24	vee	ip shows iface is up too?
2023-09-17 10:07:31	gladosator	I just set it to 10.0.1.30/255.255.255.0
2023-09-17 10:07:39	vee	should be fine
2023-09-17 10:08:16	vee	ip r  => should read:   default via 10.0.1.x dev DEV ..
2023-09-17 10:08:45	vee	ip a show dev DV     for 1x device
2023-09-17 10:09:39	gladosator	Soo ip r shows the default via 10.0.1.1 dev enp5s0
2023-09-17 10:10:03	gladosator	And then some proto src thing that is just too long for me to type over here
2023-09-17 10:10:24	vee	yup good ol spam
2023-09-17 10:10:47	gladosator	Nevermind here: 10.0.1.0/24 dev enp5s0 protocol kernel scope link src 10.0.1.30
2023-09-17 10:11:27	vee	that is good
2023-09-17 10:12:01	gladosator	Good, then why isn't ping working?
2023-09-17 10:12:31	vee	whats the  inet   line show in 'ip a show dev enp5s0'
2023-09-17 10:12:42	gladosator	Umm one sec...
2023-09-17 10:13:04	secular	can you ping 10.0.1.1...?
2023-09-17 10:13:22	gladosator	Secular: let me try
2023-09-17 10:13:30	vee	and the top part of the ip a show dev... shows 'UP" and not "DOWN" ?
2023-09-17 10:13:49	gladosator	vee: UP
2023-09-17 10:14:07	gladosator	secular: nope destination unreachable..
2023-09-17 10:14:35	vee	cool, and then hopefuly the  inet 10.0.1.30 peer 10.0.1.0/24 scope global enp5s0
2023-09-17 10:14:52	gladosator	Net 10.0.1.30/24 scope global enp5s0
2023-09-17 10:15:31	gladosator	*inet
2023-09-17 10:15:50	secular	if you can't ping 10.0.1.1 and that's the default gateway.. well as you can see you aren't going to go much further than that (the internet)
2023-09-17 10:16:31	vee	hmm or maybe ipv6 only router?
2023-09-17 10:16:53	gladosator	Opps sorry my IRC client closed
2023-09-17 10:16:57	vee	gladosator: it is an ipv4 capable device, and 10.0.1.1 is the gateway?
2023-09-17 10:17:00	secular	they joined from an ipv4 address this time
2023-09-17 10:17:26	vee	 /device/router 
2023-09-17 10:17:28	gladosator	Well I guess is whatever my ISP is willing to give me....
2023-09-17 10:17:58	secular	maybe we should just try using dhcpcd, but setting all the options statically with it
2023-09-17 10:17:59	secular	haha
2023-09-17 10:17:59	gladosator	vee: do you want to know what my router is? Or is that a path on the archlinux iso
2023-09-17 10:18:40	gladosator	And yes 10.0.1.1 is the LAN address of my router.
2023-09-17 10:18:55	gladosator	Which is the gateway to the internet...
2023-09-17 10:18:58	secular	seems like right now, you still have a problem with config of the interface on the arch system
2023-09-17 10:19:21	secular	assuming it's all cabled correctly to the router, port is enabled, etc
2023-09-17 10:19:35	vee	ok that should be good then; yeah - something is funky (also dhcp should work out of box i think evne just enabling the service?)
2023-09-17 10:19:47	secular	i agree odd, the dhcp is not working
2023-09-17 10:20:02	secular	not getting a ipv6 response shouldn't mean that ipv4 didn't/doesn't work
2023-09-17 10:20:07	gladosator	Well when I enable it it just gives me a lot of error about reflector.service not being able to start
2023-09-17 10:20:55	gladosator	And when I look at journalctl there is a just it trying to negotiate a DHCP lease and then stopping at "No IPv6 routers available"
2023-09-17 10:21:43	vee	should be a way to disable ipv6 in arch and try the dhcp method again
2023-09-17 10:21:49	secular	you could edit dhcpcd.conf and set your address, netmask, and gateway statically there
2023-09-17 10:22:59	gladosator	Secular: could you point me to an example of that config file?
2023-09-17 10:23:00	secular	ie: static ip_address = 10.0.1.30/24, static routers=10.0.1.1
2023-09-17 10:23:27	gladosator	Just write that into /etc/dhcpcd.conf ?
2023-09-17 10:23:33	secular	static domain_name_servers = (your dns server here, maybe your router)
2023-09-17 10:23:39	secular	each one of those is a line in that file
2023-09-17 10:24:13	secular	im not sure what's in there right now on your system, but yes
2023-09-17 10:24:48	vee	(can always reboot the archiso to get a fresh start too)
2023-09-17 10:25:04	secular	yep
2023-09-17 10:25:54	gladosator	So it should look like this ? :https://pastebin.com/i4WE4F5Q
2023-09-17 10:25:55	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HOAJ.txt
2023-09-17 10:25:55	phrik	Title: dhcpcd.conf maybe - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-09-17 10:26:37	secular	you need the word static in front of ip_address
2023-09-17 10:26:49	secular	maybe add a line at the top with your interface name
2023-09-17 10:27:14	secular	like interface enp5s0 or whatever it was
2023-09-17 10:27:24	gladosator	https://pastebin.com/CfrwDkV9 ??
2023-09-17 10:27:25	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HOAy.txt
2023-09-17 10:27:25	phrik	Title: MAYBE - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-09-17 10:27:32	vee	( i have not done it the dhcpcd.conf method in ... many many years; forgot about it tbh )
2023-09-17 10:27:45	secular	can you pointt your router for dns? or you need to use that cloudflare?
2023-09-17 10:28:00	secular	i just ask because in this example dns won't work unless you get the internet acces working
2023-09-17 10:28:09	gladosator	Well it would just point to cloud flare since I have it set in my router as wel
2023-09-17 10:28:20	secular	put the word interface in front of the interface name
2023-09-17 10:29:01	vee	but ping should still get through without a dns resolver
2023-09-17 10:29:08	vee	(ping ip )
2023-09-17 10:29:12	gladosator	https://pastebin.com/JBGpbGX9 Now this would be it!
2023-09-17 10:29:13	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HOAt.txt
2023-09-17 10:29:14	phrik	Title: OK THIS HAS TO BE IT RIGHT? - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-09-17 10:29:32	gladosator	vee: yes I was always pinging 1.1.1.1
2023-09-17 10:29:47	gladosator	And it always returned unreachable host
2023-09-17 10:29:47	secular	that looks good.. maybe for good measure add two more lines right after interface
2023-09-17 10:29:49	secular	noarp
2023-09-17 10:30:02	secular	noipv6rs
2023-09-17 10:30:24	secular	you're gonna get everything on the internet as unreachable until you can reach your default gateway
2023-09-17 10:30:38	gladosator	And where should I put the `noarp` and `noipv6rs`
2023-09-17 10:30:50	secular	right after the interface line before the addressing
2023-09-17 10:30:51	vee	between lines 2,3
2023-09-17 10:31:02	gladosator	As separate lines ?
2023-09-17 10:31:08	secular	correct
2023-09-17 10:31:32	gladosator	https://pastebin.com/L8R4XRju
2023-09-17 10:31:33	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HOAv.txt
2023-09-17 10:31:34	phrik	Title: AFNDJKS - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-09-17 10:32:08	secular	looks good
2023-09-17 10:32:18	secular	i don't know if the [text] will be treated as a comment or not
2023-09-17 10:32:23	secular	you might want to # that out
2023-09-17 10:32:59	secular	then after that save and fire up/restart/reload dhcpcd
2023-09-17 10:32:59	gladosator	Or just not put it there
2023-09-17 10:33:06	secular	yes or just don't have it
2023-09-17 10:33:26	gladosator	And where should be the conf file located?
2023-09-17 10:33:34	vee	 /etc/dhcpcd.conf
2023-09-17 10:33:38	gladosator	Ok
2023-09-17 10:35:08	gladosator	Ok so I just opened nano at that path and it has something in it should I just erase it?
2023-09-17 10:35:35	vee	can add it to the bottom of that file
2023-09-17 10:35:51	secular	you could add this and comment that out
2023-09-17 10:36:00	secular	if you want we can look at whats there now
2023-09-17 10:36:05	gladosator	Sure I'll do that in case of conflicts
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2023-09-17 10:37:24	vee	grep -Ev '^ *(#.*)?$'  /etc/dhcpcd.conf     => any lines returned should not be the same key-names (like  static ip_address)  you are trying to insert
2023-09-17 10:38:30	secular	ip route
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2023-09-17 10:38:41	secular	sorry looking at something else over here lol
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2023-09-17 10:42:54	gladosator	Ok so I have good news and bad news good news is dhcpcd is no longer complaining about there being no IPv6 router bad news is that 1.1.1.1 is still very much unreachable.
2023-09-17 10:43:29	vee	ping the router
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2023-09-17 10:43:55	vee	and check 'ip r' 
2023-09-17 10:43:57	secular	yes can you ping the router
2023-09-17 10:44:06	gladosator	Still unreachable....
2023-09-17 10:44:09	vee	it might be muddled with the manual 'ip' commands
2023-09-17 10:44:11	secular	yep check that and tell us if you see a default line
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2023-09-17 10:44:31	secular	how many lines is the output of ip route
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2023-09-17 10:45:18	secular	also check ip add show dev enp5s0
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2023-09-17 10:45:28	secular	see if the address got assigned
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2023-09-17 10:46:03	secular	check ip neigh, look for the arp entry for the router, should be REACHABLE not stale or otherwise timing out
2023-09-17 10:46:03	gladosator	So ip r says: default via 10.0.1.1 dev enp5s0 src 10.0.1.30 metric 1003; 10.0.1.0/24 dev enp5s0 protocol DHCP scope link src 10.0.1.30 metric 1003
2023-09-17 10:46:43	gladosator	Ok so ip neigh says: 10.0.1.1 dev enp5s0 INCOMPLETE
2023-09-17 10:46:49	secular	not good
2023-09-17 10:47:04	gladosator	What does INCOMPLETE mean?
2023-09-17 10:47:05	secular	this wire to the router, the port is up and active etc?
2023-09-17 10:47:11	vee	how many network devices are in this system 
2023-09-17 10:47:19	secular	it means that yu aren't getting arp resolution
2023-09-17 10:47:21	vee	network ports *
2023-09-17 10:47:28	secular	that's layer 2
2023-09-17 10:47:32	secular	right after physical
2023-09-17 10:47:42	secular	so you need to check that wire and make sure you are getting link port is up etc
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2023-09-17 10:48:05	gladosator	network ports * says: no matches found for *
2023-09-17 10:48:05	gladosator	network ports *
2023-09-17 10:48:21	gladosator	Ignore that second message
2023-09-17 10:48:34	secular	what ip address does it say is assigned to enp5s0
2023-09-17 10:48:55	vee	no i meant: how many network-ports are in the pc with archiso - just 1 plug for 1 cat5?
2023-09-17 10:49:11	secular	yes that's a good question, could be in wrong port
2023-09-17 10:49:54	secular	the routes look good, and like everything got assigned properly there
2023-09-17 10:49:56	gladosator	3: enp5s0 <BROADCAST, MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtg 1500 disc fq_codel state UP group default glen 1000
2023-09-17 10:50:25	secular	need the 'inet' line
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2023-09-17 10:50:35	gladosator	Ok one sec then
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2023-09-17 10:50:45	secular	judging by the routing table it looked ok i think
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2023-09-17 10:51:01	secular	like vee said if you have other ports, you might want to move the cable
2023-09-17 10:51:35	secular	if you have a known working wire to your router, plugin to that
2023-09-17 10:52:31	gladosator	Net 10.0.30/24 bad 10.0.255 scope global noprefixroute enp5s0; validf_lft forever preferred_lft forever; inet6 fe80::da50:e6ff:feda:4ccd/64 scope link photo kernel_11; valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2023-09-17 10:52:40	secular	seems like a problem with the connection to the router, that would explain why dhcp timed out too
2023-09-17 10:53:16	secular	are you like retyping that?
2023-09-17 10:53:30	secular	you are missing some octects on the addresses, and i think 'bad' is really brd for broadcast
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2023-09-17 10:53:57	secular	but i get the picture... but make sure you actually have 10.0.1.30/24 and 10.0.1.255
2023-09-17 10:53:58	vee	yeah they transposing text from one system/keyboard to the other
2023-09-17 10:54:00	secular	brd
2023-09-17 10:54:21	secular	*octet
2023-09-17 10:54:49	secular	seeming like a problem with the physical connection to the router, or port not being up, or in wrong vlan, etc
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2023-09-17 10:55:07	secular	or router not really being 10.0.1.1 :D
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2023-09-17 10:56:25	gladosator	OK BACK so I kinda used my cable from my Mac mini
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2023-09-17 10:57:35	secular	remember your network layers, start at the bottom and work uyp
2023-09-17 10:57:40	secular	don't start at the internet and work back
2023-09-17 10:57:53	gladosator	Well thanks for your help. And agian sorry for wasting your time. 
2023-09-17 10:57:57	vee	the fact secular has had so many bad memories to recognize the bad states that 'ip' reports... i dont wish that anybody lol
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2023-09-17 10:58:09	secular	:D
2023-09-17 10:58:43	secular	many years in the network security field
2023-09-17 10:59:08	vee	gladosator: my goto path for it is: if dhcp fails, then try static; if that fails; its hardware
2023-09-17 11:01:02	vee	secular: that'll do it; i do sort of miss having an on-prem rack of servers; was always some sort of fun (and an ac'd room was always great)
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2023-09-17 11:02:36	secular	ah yes the days of sitting in the data center
2023-09-17 11:03:26	vee	i used to climb up the ladder and sit right in front of the ac outlet lol
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2023-09-17 11:08:50	secular	:D
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2023-09-17 12:20:01	laird	there's a separate channel for desktop environments? :o
2023-09-17 12:39:03	yellni	oh, yes. there are lots of DEs! :-)
2023-09-17 13:17:44	andril	hello all
2023-09-17 13:21:13	nunez	hi
2023-09-17 13:35:57	fedorafan	andril n0tiz o/
2023-09-17 13:44:40	n0tiz	fedorafan?
2023-09-17 13:45:02	fedorafan	ahhh sorry wrong nick
2023-09-17 13:45:09	n0tiz	np
2023-09-17 13:45:25	n0tiz	back to hibernation
2023-09-17 13:45:31	fedorafan	enjoy
2023-09-17 13:45:38	fedorafan	:)
2023-09-17 14:35:40	Hunker	so I asked here early in the morning about my mobile/wireless netgear router becomming the device that resolve dns even thou I have dns=1.1.1.1 set in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf. I was sugested to set G? and to use dhcpd.conf. I have no dhcpd.conf in /etc so.. yah I was to tired to ask. Do anyone care to explain?
2023-09-17 14:37:45	Hunker	I mean even if i set dns with resolvectl dns wlan0 1.1.1.1 and have it in the formentioned file it becomes 192.168.1.1 after a reboot
2023-09-17 14:38:24	mkoskar	what's the output of `resolvectl`
2023-09-17 14:39:45	Hunker	paste!
2023-09-17 14:40:06	Hunker	!paste
2023-09-17 14:40:07	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-09-17 14:40:31	Hunker	!ix
2023-09-17 14:40:32	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2023-09-17 14:41:45	Hunker	http://ix.io/4GDn    but this is after I manually have changed it to 1.1.1.1 else it is 192.168.1.1
2023-09-17 14:43:03	Hunker	The router probably gives me an local ip and asign the task of running dns at boot, I would like to keep the dns on the computer
2023-09-17 14:43:30	Hunker	assign it self the task*
2023-09-17 14:43:35	mkoskar	Hunker: if you don't wish to use DNS provided by your DHCP on wlan0 interface then specify UseDNS=no in wlan0's .network file, [DHCP] section
2023-09-17 14:44:12	Hunker	does iwd also use .network files
2023-09-17 14:44:45	Hunker	mkoskar: ?
2023-09-17 14:46:02	mkoskar	iwd or wpa_supplicant don't care about .network files, well udev does read .netdev ... anyway, do you use systemd-networkd?
2023-09-17 14:46:30	mkoskar	or networkmanager? I assumed networkd
2023-09-17 14:47:44	Hunker	networkd.
2023-09-17 14:47:46	Hunker	yes
2023-09-17 14:49:08	Hunker	so /etc/systemd/network/20-wifi.network? it has a [DHCP4] section
2023-09-17 14:51:20	Hunker	mkoskar: is /etc/systemd/network/20-wifi.network the right file?
2023-09-17 14:53:22	mkoskar	idk, it might be
2023-09-17 14:54:08	mkoskar	the one that matches wlan0 obviously
2023-09-17 14:54:45	Hunker	ok thanks
2023-09-17 14:58:13	pulsar12	the "journalctl --user" is not catching any logs from my user. instead the logs are going to --system journal. I'm running "logger" to test the logs. I it was working before I got no idea why it stop behaving as expected
2023-09-17 15:05:06	pulsar12	actually i didn't user logger... i was using a --user test service just was doing "echo test". this was going to the --user journal. but now its going to --system journal instead
2023-09-17 15:14:04	pulec	anyone can recommend rustic? https://github.com/erikw/restic-automatic-backup-scheduler
2023-09-17 15:14:23	pulec	or has experience with it? just asking for general experiences
2023-09-17 15:21:24	yellni	pulec: i know someone who prefers restic over borgbackup which i use.
2023-09-17 15:21:44	pulec	borgbackup? sounds strartreky
2023-09-17 15:40:29	Inst	yeah, was having issues getting yay to build while behind a firewall, adding ftp_proxy field solved the problem
2023-09-17 15:54:11	pulec	!yay
2023-09-17 15:54:11	phrik	http://i.imgur.com/2gywlte.gif
2023-09-17 15:54:20	pulec	!yay2
2023-09-17 15:54:21	phrik	http://i.imgur.com/bEm1l.gif
2023-09-17 15:54:23	pulec	bork
2023-09-17 15:55:01	pulec	!yaysucks
2023-09-17 15:55:02	phrik	https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2018-December/034732.html
2023-09-17 15:55:15	pulec	I recommend aurutils https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/aurutils
2023-09-17 15:55:19	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - aurutils (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-09-17 16:52:55	astralc	aurutils is a test in reading comprehension
2023-09-17 17:57:19	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-17 18:31:54	ℹ 	WikiDasher es conocido ahora como wikidasher
2023-09-17 18:32:23	ℹ 	Ampera_ es conocido ahora como Ampera
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2023-09-17 21:36:38	lakiluki	so disabling all graphical bells and whistles isn't really a fix, though it might mitigate the problem somewhat
2023-09-17 21:36:56	templefa1	lakiluki: i have win11 in libvirt working fine, but never ran into this issue
2023-09-17 21:37:19	lakiluki	templefa1: do you mind sharing your host setup and maybe your configuration?
2023-09-17 21:37:33	bonob	I'm saying this because it reminds me of a behavior similar on the surface, a long time ago, with aero windows (7 or 8.1 probably) theme killing the virtualized display
2023-09-17 21:37:43	templefa1	lakiluki: it's on my other computer, give me a couple of minutes
2023-09-17 21:37:51	lakiluki	templefa1: Thank you!
2023-09-17 21:39:41	lakiluki	for some reason I also can't get more than two vCPUs to be recognized by windows, weird
2023-09-17 21:39:48	bonob	also not proposing this as a fix, merely as a way to poke at what could be causing the issue
2023-09-17 21:40:12	templefa1	lakiluki: did you set the cpu topology manually? i think it defaults to assigning each core to a socket
2023-09-17 21:40:43	lakiluki	no, I havent
2023-09-17 21:40:50	lakiluki	I kindof skipped that part, I might have to check it out, ty
2023-09-17 21:41:35	templefa1	lakiluki: you should, I've experienced really bad performance in that setup
2023-09-17 21:42:40	templefa1	!paste
2023-09-17 21:42:41	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-09-17 21:45:58	templefa1	lakiluki: looking at my vm, it's actually using vnc for the display. here's the config: https://paste.rs/sxcbt.xml
2023-09-17 21:45:59	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-09-17 21:47:01	lakiluki	templefa1: thank you, I might try VNC as well. do you experience a stable 60ish fps?
2023-09-17 21:47:09	lakiluki	also, what CPU are you running?
2023-09-17 21:48:58	templefa1	lakiluki: animations looks smooth enough, i'm not sure about the exact number of frames
2023-09-17 21:49:07	templefa1	lakiluki: it's a ryzen 3950x
2023-09-17 21:51:10	lakiluki	templafa1: thanks again, i'll try to tune the config a bit more
2023-09-17 21:51:34	templefa1	lakiluki: np, i think fixing the cpu topology is important
2023-09-17 21:51:40	lakiluki	some random 12700k topology I copied from reddit does seem to work though :)
2023-09-17 21:52:23	templefa1	lakiluki: that's great, might be more complicated if it is one of the big.LITTLE ones
2023-09-17 21:52:27	templefa1	idk
2023-09-17 22:17:54	bonob	3950x is not big.little. and topology shouldn't be complicated, just make sure you give the right core or thread argument so that the windows guest sees the virtualized cpus as expected
2023-09-17 22:19:41	demonicmaniac1	lualiki is on 12700k though which is
2023-09-17 22:19:52	demonicmaniac1	lakiluki i mean derp
2023-09-17 22:26:59	bonob	for my win10 guest, with a 3900x cpu, I set sockets=1, cores=4 (or however many hosts core/threads I want to allocate), threads=1. This was migrated from my old ryzen 2600, but I'd expect it to be the same both with the newer Ryzen and win11
2023-09-17 22:29:09	bonob	also in a spice display I get 5-10 fps I would say, but I don't think that can be improved upon?
2023-09-17 22:31:02	iamawacko	!paste
2023-09-17 22:31:03	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-09-17 23:33:47	kucklehead	I want to poke around in my emergency shell but my root account is locked. Can I use my user instead or how can I unlock it?
2023-09-17 23:35:10	astralc	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Reset_lost_root_password
2023-09-17 23:35:12	phrik	Title: Reset lost root password - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-17 23:36:48	kucklehead	thanks
2023-09-17 23:52:43	⚡ 	hao_ test
2023-09-17 23:52:52	gehidore	fail
2023-09-17 23:53:03	mpan	abort/retry/bribe
2023-09-17 23:55:00	hao_	hi, I have a partitioin that was originally for ubuntu /home/, it's  mounted to arch when booting onto /mnt/ubuntu/home, but the scripts in that partition will not run inside arch, give some "-bash: /home/hao/projects/shutils/mvshot: Permission denied
2023-09-17 23:55:17	hao_	(oops, not inteded to send yet)
2023-09-17 23:55:22	gnsfujiwara	Hey guys
2023-09-17 23:56:10	mpan	hao_: is it mounted with exec (or noexec) flag?
2023-09-17 23:56:28	mpan	s/flag/option/
2023-09-17 23:56:40	hao_	mpan: no, only ` rw,user,noatime,nodiratime
2023-09-17 23:57:09	mpan	So `exec`, likely. What file system is that?
2023-09-17 23:57:14	hao_	(shit, why the linefeed is always copied...)
2023-09-17 23:57:41	hao_	ext4
2023-09-17 23:58:07	mpan	So not that. Do you actually have exec permissions to this script, and read/exec permissions to all directories over it?
2023-09-17 23:58:13	hao_	thanks, I'll see manual on it then try it and see if that solves the problem
2023-09-17 23:59:29	mpan	hao_: no, do not (at least not now). Please answer the question.
2023-09-18 00:00:21	mpan	hao_: wait, actually… is there even “/home/hao/projects/shutils/mvshot” in your current system? Why would a script from a mounted partition from a different system refer to it? Aren’t you by any chance having that path hardcoded in your script?
2023-09-18 00:01:10	hao_	actually I have one symbolic link pointed to it like this: `~/project` → `/mnt/ubuntu/home/hao/project`, I don't know this is relavant to my problem. 
2023-09-18 00:01:29	mpan	Where is “/home/hao/projects/shutils/mvshot” coming from?
2023-09-18 00:08:31	hao_	mpan: I'll rephrase my situation. so I have the (originally ubuntu home/) partitioin mounted at /mnt/ubuntu/, also created a symbol link, pointing from ~/project to /mnt/ubuntu/hao/project. so the shtuil/ dir in /mnt/ubuntu/hao/project/shutil is exposed for me as ~/project/shtuil (I have ~/project/shutil added to $PATH).
2023-09-18 00:10:53	mpan	hao_: do you have exec access to “/mnt/ubuntu/hao/project/shutil/mvshot” and read/exec access to all adirectories over it?
2023-09-18 00:11:27	hao_	here is the parent's dir's permission: /mnt: 755, /mnt/ubuntu: 755, /mnt/ubuntu/hao: 750, /mnt/ubuntu/hao/project/: 777, /mnt/ubuntu/hao/project/shutil: 755, /mnt/ubuntu/hao/project/shutil/mvshot: 755
2023-09-18 00:11:44	hao_	can 750 be the problem?
2023-09-18 00:13:03	mpan	hao_: yes, given that it is the last digit (0) that matters for you.
2023-09-18 00:13:20	hao_	I'll change that and see
2023-09-18 00:14:01	mpan	Unless your local UID matches the one used in Ubuntu. But if not, you are the “others” in user/group/others notation.
2023-09-18 00:14:48	hao_	no, now it's 755, too. but I still got the error
2023-09-18 00:15:10	hao_	mpan, they indeed match, both name and id 
2023-09-18 00:16:16	mpan	hao_: 757, not 755 (for a directory). You need the listing permission too.
2023-09-18 00:16:34	mpan	Also 757 for the script itself.
2023-09-18 00:16:41	mpan	Wait, no
2023-09-18 00:16:49	⚡ 	mpan is stupid. 5 is enough. :)
2023-09-18 00:17:30	hao_	I won't the "denied permission" is due to access, or something inside the shell code, or shebang? 
2023-09-18 00:17:47	mpan	Ok, coming back to begining. 
2023-09-18 00:17:53	hao_	exec ?
2023-09-18 00:18:18	mpan	Do you have a local directory named “/home/hao”, which is your home directory and contains the aforementioned symlink?
2023-09-18 00:18:57	hao_	yes, that's the setup
2023-09-18 00:19:17	hao_	/home/hao/project → /mnt/ubuntu/hao/project
2023-09-18 00:19:18	mpan	What is actually invoking the `mvshot` script?
2023-09-18 00:19:45	hao_	vanilla `mvshot` ...
2023-09-18 00:20:03	hao_	also, somehow, I tried `sh /path/to/mvshot`, then no error
2023-09-18 00:20:07	mpan	No
2023-09-18 00:20:18	mpan	I ask, what is invoking the `mvshot` script? How is it called? From where? How?
2023-09-18 00:20:30	mpan	(also, what is “vanilla” in this case, though that is tangential)
2023-09-18 00:20:59	hao_	I typed the "mvshot" inside my tmux session
2023-09-18 00:22:47	mpan	if you do `cd ~/project`, what does happen?
2023-09-18 00:23:28	hao_	I will be inside ~/project
2023-09-18 00:23:45	mpan	I am asking also because in your reporting there is variance in how things are called. I understand this may be mistyped and that is not a problem, but I can’t reject the possibility of things actually being set wrong.
2023-09-18 00:24:09	mpan	If from there you invoke `shutil/mvshot`, what does happen?
2023-09-18 00:25:19	hao_	permission denied
2023-09-18 00:25:41	mpan	Oh, so we are somewhere.
2023-09-18 00:26:01	mpan	If you go directly to “/mnt/ubuntu/hao/project” and do the same, what happens?
2023-09-18 00:26:50	hao_	also permission denied. "-bash: shutils/mvshot: Permission denied
2023-09-18 00:27:08	mpan	Ok, and let’s stay in this directory. Ignore all the symlinks and stuff.
2023-09-18 00:28:09	hao_	Ok, now what whould I check?
2023-09-18 00:30:38	mpan	stat -c '%u/%U %g/%G %A %n' shutil shutil/mvshot
2023-09-18 00:31:45	hao_	1000/hao 1000/hao drwxr-xr-x shutils     and    1000/hao 1000/hao -rwxr-xr-x shutils/mvshot
2023-09-18 00:32:05	mpan	And your current UID is 1000?
2023-09-18 00:33:07	hao_	yes
2023-09-18 00:33:25	mpan	I am out of ideas. :/
2023-09-18 00:35:34	mpan	Just to be sure: `mount | grep -F /mnt/ubuntu`
2023-09-18 00:35:56	mpan	Though, given what I have seen so far, this should not matter.
2023-09-18 00:36:05	hao_	/dev/sda5 on /mnt/ubuntu type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,noatime,nodiratime,user)
2023-09-18 00:36:15	mpan	> noexec
2023-09-18 00:36:26	mpan	(though that does not explain, why you were able to execute it once…)
2023-09-18 00:36:42	mpan	Remount with `exec` in -o options.
2023-09-18 00:37:24	hao_	yes, I didn't specify exec inside /etc/fstab
2023-09-18 00:37:26	mpan	Uhh… I missed you used `user` option before. I am stupid.
2023-09-18 00:37:39	hao_	we are back to this. I'll try and see
2023-09-18 00:37:40	mpan	s/stupid/blind/ :D
2023-09-18 00:37:54	mpan	s/blind/tired/
2023-09-18 00:38:12	hao_	thanks mpan ;D
2023-09-18 00:38:38	mpan	I still do not know why ONCE it did execute for you, tho.
2023-09-18 00:39:38	hao_	I don't think I mentioned that it once can
2023-09-18 00:39:52	mpan	> 00:20   hao_: also, somehow, I tried `sh /path/to/mvshot`, then no error
2023-09-18 00:39:59	hao_	but it can if I use `sh ...`
2023-09-18 00:40:16	mpan	nvm, fixed
2023-09-18 00:45:39	hao_	mpan, remounted with exec option, no more permission error. Thanks again
2023-09-18 00:46:28	mpan	hao_: since `user` option implies any user can mount it with no special permissions, for security reasons `noexec` is the default then.
2023-09-18 00:47:20	hao_	I really should read thought the mount manual's option description now
2023-09-18 00:47:41	mpan	Otherwise it would be trivial to gain root privileges, if the user was in control of the file system being mounted.
2023-09-18 00:49:38	hao_	oh, I remembered days aga when trying to debug go programe inside /mnt/ubuntu, dlv always give me "permission denied" error. this might solved that, too!
2023-09-18 00:56:24	Berlyn	Hi. I brought this up the other day but I am having issues with my PC freezing up for 2-3 seconds at a time, typically while watching a video and mousing over it. I have narrowed it down to a kernel problem as I am not having the issue at all using the LTS kernel, but if I use the latest regular kernel (6.5.3), it happens constantly.
2023-09-18 01:22:08	cedb	anything else differnt between your vanilla kernel and the lts one (dkms or something)
2023-09-18 01:24:42	Berlyn	cedb: Nothing, I have an AMD GPU, so I don't have any proprietary drivers installed.
2023-09-18 01:29:49	cedb	ive only ever had a nvidia gpu so i cant speak to that, but i guess to help most would ask for the video player in question, any drivers/firmware graphics related, and DE/windowmanager setup
2023-09-18 01:30:09	cedb	plus of course a little journalctl paste from around when it happens
2023-09-18 01:35:49	kucklehead	I am getting /sysroot failed to mount right before I can unlock my luks partition. I am using sd-zfs hook 
2023-09-18 01:42:13	Berlyn	cedb: It was specifically whenever watching a video on YouTube or Twitch, happened both in Firefox and Chrome. I am running KDE Plasma. I'd have to reboot and switch into the general kernel to check with journalctl.
2023-09-18 01:56:14	jmcantrell	mpan: thanks for your help earlier. i had to run before your last responses
2023-09-18 01:59:09	mpan	np
2023-09-18 02:59:26	lmat	ps -ef | grep jack  shows a "/usr/bin/jackdbus auto" running with ppid 1006. PID 1006 is  systemd --user. It seems like this means systemd --user started jack?
2023-09-18 03:00:14	kucklehead	Is there some kind of file you can create that prevents users logging in as root? I thought I created one and I can
2023-09-18 03:00:46	lmat	systemctl --user stop jack; says, "Unit jack.service not loaded." and tab complete doesn't show any "jack*" services.
2023-09-18 03:00:52	kucklehead	not remember what file it was. And for some reason my root is still locked 
2023-09-18 03:01:33	lmat	When I kill it (kill 2021351) it doesn't stop. When I kill -9 it, it stops, but a new one starts (now PID 2029948).
2023-09-18 03:02:00	lmat	with the same ppid. I think this suggests that systemd is restarting it and making sure it keeps running?
2023-09-18 03:22:17	rwinner__	kucklehead: you mean the sudoers file?
2023-09-18 03:32:16	vvn	hi there -- I have a lighttpd server with a $HTTP["host"] =~ "^(192.168.2.25)$" { alias.url += ( "/kuba/" => "/srv/a/b/c" ) } rule, which used to work, but not anymore, I have 403 forbidden
2023-09-18 03:32:46	vvn	I am not sure how to debug that?
2023-09-18 03:33:03	lmat	thurstylark: I think I'm going to try pipewire! Any tips? I'm following the pipewire wiki.
2023-09-18 03:33:51	lmat	vvn: You're trying to serve files from your filesystem? It looks like you want files at /srv/a/b/c to be served at the uri /kuba ?
2023-09-18 03:34:39	vvn	lmat: yep, the IP being the server IP, so that these files are only available on my LAN 
2023-09-18 03:35:26	lmat	vvn: Makes sense. I assume there is a /srv/a/b/c directory on the host. It seems that lighttpd is running otherwise you wouldn't get a 403 (unless you have a reverse proxy that is giving the 403).
2023-09-18 03:35:40	lmat	vvn: Look for lighttpd logs on 192.168.2.25?
2023-09-18 03:35:59	MacGyver	vvn: How certain are you that that IP is still the same, and that that is actually the IP that the LAN clients are trying to reach?
2023-09-18 03:37:12	vvn	MacGyver: my server IP is fixed. But if you have a better idea to configure lighttpd to server files on the network only and not on the internet (I do have an http port opened) let me know!
2023-09-18 03:37:16	MacGyver	vvn: Two things I can think of that would make this "magically" stop working: - server IP changed; - IPv6 became available and preferred on the internal network when accessing that host.
2023-09-18 03:38:16	lmat	Also, if you're using DNS to access this server (rather than actuall typing that IP address in your browser), and the DNS assignment changed, that would mess it up. You would probably get a different error than 403 though.
2023-09-18 03:39:44	vvn	is there a better way than matching $HTTP["host"] in order to server files on LAN only?
2023-09-18 03:40:25	MacGyver	If you want the same server software to exhibit different behaviour based on destination or source IP: no.
2023-09-18 03:40:39	MacGyver	It must be done by the server software.
2023-09-18 03:42:07	MacGyver	You could run a different server instance listening on a different port and configure netfilter to redirect traffic with source address from the LAN range to that port and drop all other traffic directed at it.
2023-09-18 03:42:22	MacGyver	But then you're running two instances of the same software.
2023-09-18 03:42:32	MacGyver	Which is another head-ache entirely.
2023-09-18 03:42:38	vvn	indeed
2023-09-18 03:42:58	MacGyver	Why the restriction on traffic "from the LAN"?
2023-09-18 03:43:31	vvn	because I also use the server from outside and I don't want to expose local files 
2023-09-18 03:43:36	MacGyver	Why not use, for example, TLS and HTTP basic authentication?
2023-09-18 03:43:43	MacGyver	Or mutual TLS with client certificates.
2023-09-18 03:44:31	vvn	I could do that
2023-09-18 03:45:05	vvn	is that easy to do that with lighttpd?
2023-09-18 03:45:29	MacGyver	Honestly wouldn't know -- I run nginx.
2023-09-18 03:45:40	lmat	Making the server available directly from the internet doesn't answer the question: Why doesn't it work anymore?
2023-09-18 04:01:00	aaro	vvn: why not use $HTTP["remoteip"]
2023-09-18 04:14:50	lmat	thurstylark: I installed pipewire, pipewire-pulse, and pipewire-jack. Pretty impressive experience. It looks like everything works. Now I need some automation. I'm using an 8-output audio interface. Any time a pulse client starts up (like chromium), the application has 8 outputs and all of them map to my audio interface's outputs. I think it's assuming my audio interface is a 7.1 dobly surround
2023-09-18 04:14:50	lmat	sound 
2023-09-18 04:14:56	lmat	sink, but it's not.
2023-09-18 04:22:42	lmat	thurstylark: I'm not sure why I quit.... if someone kicked me, I don't see any notes, so please just say something and I'll shut up :-D  I found "Pro" mode in pipewire and that looks great! I'm not sure how to automate, though...for instance, I have an autotune jack application and would like to route  my microphone through the auto tuner to SOME applications; it would be nice if I could
2023-09-18 04:22:42	lmat	automate this.
2023-09-18 04:23:22	kucklehead	rwinner__, no it's not. I think the issue is that I am using grub which the commands such as root=ZFS=/dataset won't work I think 
2023-09-18 04:25:49	kucklehead	Or I need to make a snapshot and boot from that. Lol, I have no idea 
2023-09-18 06:14:45	Gnana	http://pastie.org/p/0fPMQj6cU8roxdJKSzsVyP after reboot startx hangs
2023-09-18 06:14:47	phrik	Title: Pastie (at pastie.org)
2023-09-18 06:18:43	susi	Gnana: have you looked into Xorg.0.log?
2023-09-18 06:27:14	grawity	vvn: https://redmine.lighttpd.net/projects/lighttpd/wiki/Mod_auth https://redmine.lighttpd.net/projects/1/wiki/HowToBasicAuth -- looks fairly simple, go with auth.backend="plain" if you don't have /bin/htpasswd
2023-09-18 06:27:17	phrik	Title: Mod auth - Lighttpd - lighty labs (at redmine.lighttpd.net)
2023-09-18 06:28:32	grawity	vvn: filtering access by *source* IP is also done, if you want some pages to be "LAN-only", but you'd do that via $HTTP["remoteip"], definitely not via HTTP["host"]
2023-09-18 06:31:48	Gnana	http://pastie.org/p/0fPMQj6cU8roxdJKSzsVyP after reboot startx hangs
2023-09-18 06:31:50	phrik	Title: Pastie (at pastie.org)
2023-09-18 06:33:01	Gnana	i used envycctron to set nvidia as prim gpu
2023-09-18 06:33:07	Gnana	envycontrol*
2023-09-18 06:33:18	Gnana	i used envycontrol to set nvidia as prim gpu
2023-09-18 06:33:35	Gnana	matched bus id its the same
2023-09-18 06:35:00	kucklehead	Gnana, what are you trying to do?
2023-09-18 06:35:17	Gnana	i want my nvidia gpu as prime gpu 
2023-09-18 06:35:59	kucklehead	Are you using Xorg or Wayland? 
2023-09-18 06:36:07	Gnana	xorg
2023-09-18 06:36:27	kucklehead	Then you should be able to create a .conf file that forces prime sync 
2023-09-18 06:36:56	Gnana	yes envycontrol has created the the file
2023-09-18 06:37:18	Gnana	but its simpling hanging.
2023-09-18 06:37:46	Gnana	on, integrated one it is was working,checked lsmod nvidia i has loaded the modules
2023-09-18 06:38:03	kucklehead	That's because it is generating broken or deprecated code
2023-09-18 06:38:04	Gnana	blacklisted amdgpu 
2023-09-18 06:38:21	kucklehead	It explains that in the arch wiki 
2023-09-18 06:39:16	kucklehead	"perfer anything else other than using xorg.conf" or something like that.  
2023-09-18 06:40:46	kucklehead	You should browse the prime section in the arch linux wiki. It tells you how to set up prime. I should have prime set to one which is my nvidia and 0 is my intel (the intregrated one) 
2023-09-18 06:42:04	Gnana	okay looking
2023-09-18 06:43:56	Gnana	kucklehead: can i show my my xorg.conf?
2023-09-18 06:46:43	Gnana	termbin.com/ivdb
2023-09-18 06:47:02	kucklehead	You're most likely better off trying to get help from the forums. You could just copy the examples from the wiki and mess around with it until you get it to work 
2023-09-18 06:48:48	kucklehead	You can also view your Xorg.0.log to find out what is crashing 
2023-09-18 06:52:47	Gnana	kucklehead: it saying systemlogin paused for 13Min
2023-09-18 06:53:41	Gnana	termbin.com/gp3i
2023-09-18 06:54:23	Gnana	i did not find realated thread to this problem
2023-09-18 06:54:28	Gnana	on google.com
2023-09-18 06:55:14	susi	that's a good achievement
2023-09-18 06:56:38	susi	this systemd-logind pause thing means there's something wrong within your Xorg config
2023-09-18 06:57:20	Gnana	termbin.com/vykc
2023-09-18 06:57:28	Gnana	xorg conf
2023-09-18 06:57:39	susi	please add https:// to your links, so they can be opened more easily
2023-09-18 06:57:59	Gnana	https://www.termbin.com/vykc
2023-09-18 06:59:53	Gnana	https://www.termbin.com/njxjf lspci
2023-09-18 07:00:49	Gnana	https://www.termbin.com/uk77e .xinitrc
2023-09-18 07:03:34	kucklehead	View your Xorg.0.logs 
2023-09-18 07:04:15	Gnana	which line kucklehead ?
2023-09-18 07:05:16	susi	kucklehead: here's Xorg.0.log they provided https://termbin.com/gp3i
2023-09-18 07:05:47	susi	and `vykc' is the xorg.conf
2023-09-18 07:08:58	Gnana	i two EE in xorg LOG buts its not realted the the problem
2023-09-18 07:10:33	susi	those NVIDIA(0) lines seem to have important information
2023-09-18 07:11:58	susi	unfortunately I'm no nvidier, so I don't have previous experience with these... but those seem relevant
2023-09-18 07:12:22	Gnana	i should hvae bought amd gpu 
2023-09-18 07:12:35	Gnana	wyaland should have worked smothing on it
2023-09-18 07:12:53	kucklehead	Gnana, You're missing a package so the config you showed that does things to amdgpu is worthless: "Warning, couldn't open module amdgpu" Careful where you put the Coolbits option. The configuration from arch linux wiki caused my laptop to hang. 
2023-09-18 07:13:23	kucklehead	Gnana, from my experience, I would avoid using wayland cause then you can't control your fans using the Coolbits option 
2023-09-18 07:14:02	Gnana	kucklehead:which package im missing?
2023-09-18 07:14:22	Gnana	i have nvidia-dkms nvidia-utils
2023-09-18 07:14:36	kucklehead	Don't know. I would search the wiki for that. Or search a package containing amdgpu. 
2023-09-18 07:15:32	kucklehead	Is the amdgpu a integrated gpu?
2023-09-18 07:15:35	Gnana	yes
2023-09-18 07:15:38	Gnana	it is
2023-09-18 07:15:45	Gnana	integrated one
2023-09-18 07:15:48	Gnana	amd
2023-09-18 07:15:55	kucklehead	Alright then you probably just need to install one package. 
2023-09-18 07:16:25	kucklehead	I was missing intel module or something like that and I forgot how I hunted it down 
2023-09-18 07:16:42	Gnana	please try to remmeber
2023-09-18 07:17:50	kucklehead	Gnana, dig around here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AMDGPU
2023-09-18 07:17:51	phrik	Title: AMDGPU - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-18 07:19:21	kucklehead	Gnana, here: pacman -S xf86-video-amdgpu
2023-09-18 07:21:19	kucklehead	If you're still hanging then I would suggest commenting out the Coolbits Option (Where ever it is at.)
2023-09-18 07:21:25	kucklehead	And try to boot again 
2023-09-18 07:21:27	Gnana	thanks kucklehead it work
2023-09-18 07:21:32	Gnana	worked thanks alot.
2023-09-18 07:22:16	kucklehead	Gnana, what worked exactly? Everything or you're not hanging
2023-09-18 07:22:26	Gnana	the pakcgae
2023-09-18 07:22:28	Gnana	package
2023-09-18 07:22:44	Gnana	nvidia-smi shows my gpu terminal now
2023-09-18 07:23:12	kucklehead	Gnana, is that good?
2023-09-18 07:23:20	Gnana	yes
2023-09-18 07:25:54	kucklehead	Awesome 
2023-09-18 07:26:26	Gnana	thank you.
2023-09-18 07:28:15	kucklehead	ye
2023-09-18 07:30:45	Gnana	:)
2023-09-18 07:52:37	kucklehead	I am getting /sysroot failed to mount and it drops me to emergency mode which says that root is locked even though i resetted the password. I am using these hooks:HOOKS=(base systemd autodetect modconf kms keyboard sd-vconsole block sd-encrypt sd-zfs filesystems) 
2023-09-18 09:41:36	bertptrs	known bug unfortunately :( https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/70408
2023-09-18 09:41:38	phrik	Title: FS#70408 : [mkinitcpio] Add hook for unlocking root account (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-09-18 10:42:15	Foxboron	bertptrs: we have some ideas to solve it, really
2023-09-18 10:42:29	Foxboron	the "issue" is that the systemd hooks are not a part of mkinitcpio proper
2023-09-18 10:47:18	dviola	I hit this one a couple of days ago: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/mkinitcpio/mkinitcpio/-/issues/177
2023-09-18 10:47:20	phrik	Title: mkinitcpio 35.2-1 result with image build unable to make any usb device work in early boot. (#177) · Issues · Arch Linux / Mkinitcpio / mkinitcpio · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-09-18 11:18:28	ParzivalSpace	hi
2023-09-18 11:26:43	average	can i troll a little bit without being eyeballed too hard?
2023-09-18 11:28:10	Namarrgon	if you have to ask then probably 'no'
2023-09-18 11:37:25	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-18 11:56:52	pulsar12	can we setup manually a systemd-cryptsetup@.service? Or this always depend on crypttab by design? 
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2023-09-18 11:57:30	Namarrgon	yes, you can do it manually
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2023-09-18 11:58:44	pulsar12	Namarrgon: how? i didn't find in systemd-cryptsetup@.service manpage
2023-09-18 11:58:52	mpan	man systemd-cryptsetup
2023-09-18 11:59:14	mpan	(and links from it)
2023-09-18 11:59:49	Namarrgon	that and there's on for systemd-cryptsetup@.service
2023-09-18 12:01:45	pulsar12	i have seen that. it mentions about crypttab is automatically translated, but not what options if i want to create the service file manually
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2023-09-18 12:02:34	pulsar12	as comparison, systemd.mount describes the options.
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2023-09-18 12:07:47	mpan	Hmm… they are right. Indeed the page is missing. And it seems not only from Arch’s man.
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2023-09-18 12:08:22	HuntsMan	mefistofeles: in the end a reboot solved the wifi issue
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2023-09-18 12:13:46	pulsar12	mpan: I will use the crypttab method. was just curious
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2023-09-18 12:17:02	mpan	`/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-cryptsetup --help` will give you arguments list, but that’s it. I was pretty sure I seen documentation for it. :/
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2023-09-18 12:26:57	Foxboron	mpan: you might be confusing systemd-cryptsetup and systemd-cryptenroll
2023-09-18 12:27:06	mpan	Nope
2023-09-18 12:27:08	Foxboron	systemd-cryptsetup is the internal helper binary
2023-09-18 12:27:48	mpan	Foxboron: while it is in “/usr/lib”, it is listed in the manual. So I would not count it as internal.
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2023-09-18 12:28:35	mpan	But perhaps my memory is wrong regarding seeing its documentation earlier. I checked archive and indeed I do not see it ever being described in detail. 
2023-09-18 12:29:03	Foxboron	mpan: I also checked the systemd upstream for good measure (I've fixed manpage issues before) and there isn't anything
2023-09-18 12:29:25	mpan	Yes, I checked freedesktop.org archive.
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2023-09-18 12:29:49	mpan	The page is the same, but it is not described at all. Other than being listed.
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2023-09-18 13:23:31	grawity	some distros (debian, iirc) have a policy that every executable must have a manpage, so having one doesn't immediately imply that the program has a stable interface
2023-09-18 13:24:12	mpan	grawity: I know, but the situation is unclear. I just want to know, which answer should I give in the future.
2023-09-18 13:27:33	Pikk3wyn	is there an easy way to find what kernel modules were attached to a given kernel version?
2023-09-18 13:27:40	mpan	For comparison a `systemd-homework`, residing just beside `systemd-cryptsetup`, is not listed.
2023-09-18 13:28:09	Pikk3wyn	my bluetooth broke again and i'm pretty sure it is something with the kernel update/bluez and I want to downgrade my kernel, but I barely ever downgrade the kernel
2023-09-18 13:28:32	Pikk3wyn	and I can't remember if I need to specifically downgrade all the modules too or it will break
2023-09-18 13:29:01	Pikk3wyn	do I need to do that?
2023-09-18 13:29:13	mpan	I will simply either post to the ML or form it as an issue on the bugtracker later.
2023-09-18 13:29:30	mpan	Also, how comes the most useful answer in #systemd was from an #archlinux person? -.-
2023-09-18 13:29:44	Pikk3wyn	also, has anyone experienced bluetooth issues semi-recently? bluetooth adapter is failing to init with Bluetooth: hci0: Failed to get device id (-108)
2023-09-18 13:30:23	Pikk3wyn	it is a mediatek (mt7921I believe) and it would not even be the third time that a new bluez/kernel has caused a similar issue
2023-09-18 13:31:19	Pikk3wyn	reeinit the device with usb_modeswitch -R -v 0e8d -p 0608 just causes the same error in the log, and trying to put it up/reset it with hcitool also gives Can't init device hci0: Cannot send after transport endpoint shutdown (108)
2023-09-18 13:33:29	Pikk3wyn	do I need to downgrade all the kernel modules with linux and linux-headers (I am assuming I do?), and if so, is there an quicker way to list them than going through the pacman log and finding everything that is a module
2023-09-18 13:33:34	Namarrgon	Pikk3wyn: the majority of kernel modules are part of the same kernel package. There are few external modules but you would need to downgrade or rebuild those, too.
2023-09-18 13:34:55	Pikk3wyn	cool
2023-09-18 13:35:33	grawity	mpan: people can be in two channels at once
2023-09-18 13:36:12	MacGyver	Pikk3wyn: Define "attached".
2023-09-18 13:36:24	MacGyver	Pikk3wyn: Did you mean *actually loaded*?
2023-09-18 13:36:26	Namarrgon	Pikk3wyn: the packages that use dkms for kernel modules will be rebuilt automatically, you just have to look for pre-built modules, like 'nvidia'
2023-09-18 13:37:01	MacGyver	For bluetooth I doubt external modules matter, but the kernel people do want bug reports on pristine non-tainted kernels.
2023-09-18 13:37:17	Pikk3wyn	attached in the sense that the package might be specific the the new kernel, excluding dkms stuff 
2023-09-18 13:37:29	MacGyver	Right, yeah that's always the case for in-tree kernel modules.
2023-09-18 13:37:42	Pikk3wyn	anything that might be very unhappy if the kernel was downgraded without also downgrading that as well
2023-09-18 13:38:01	pulsar12	is there a filter on journalctl options to list only messages generated by the systemd daemon itselfl? (message example: "systemd[1]: Started MariaDB 11.1.2 database server.")
2023-09-18 13:38:05	Pikk3wyn	I have not downgraded my kernel in years so I don't have the slightest memory of what was required
2023-09-18 13:38:38	MacGyver	Just the kernel package and, if you use dkms and want those modules to be loadable on the downgraded kernel, the corresponding -headers package.
2023-09-18 13:38:54	MacGyver	So for the standard linux kernel, linux and linux-headers
2023-09-18 13:38:59	Pikk3wyn	sweet, thanks
2023-09-18 13:39:18	grawity	pulsar12: journalctl _PID=1 UNIT=mariadb.service
2023-09-18 13:39:37	MacGyver	Pikk3wyn: And like Namarrgon mentioned, anything that's shipped as *binary* blob.
2023-09-18 13:39:47	MacGyver	Pikk3wyn: But honestly I can only think of Nvidia in that category and well...
2023-09-18 13:40:04	MacGyver	You can get by with nouveau for testing whether your bluetooth issue is a kernel regression.
2023-09-18 13:40:24	Pikk3wyn	thankfully nvidia will not be an issue haha
2023-09-18 13:40:55	Namarrgon	"Required By     : acpi_call  bbswitch  broadcom-wl  deepin-anything-arch  netfilter-fullconenat  nvidia  nvidia-open  r8168  tp_smapi  vhba-module  virtualbox-guest-utils  virtualbox-guest-utils-nox  virtualbox-host-modules-arch"
2023-09-18 13:41:23	Namarrgon	that's for 'linux', doesn't incllude third-party stuff
2023-09-18 13:45:25	neko2	hey all. so, I'm looking towards making my current system setup more reproducible taking into account the future event when (and it will be when not if, when enough time passes) I need to re-install. I've currently got a _lot_ of local changes some of which I suspect I have forgotten I even made. are there any more advanced tools I could use, more advaned than doing something like e.g.
2023-09-18 13:45:25	neko2	pacstrapping a 
2023-09-18 13:45:31	neko2	copy of my system's (explicitly installed) packages and comparing the difference? comparing my local modifications would be the first step to trying to figure a way to automate my local changes, or at least back them up.
2023-09-18 13:45:41	pulsar12	thanks grawity
2023-09-18 13:50:02	Pikk3wyn	there is a nice utility which lets you do versioned tracking of basically all the system + userspace configs, I forget the name tho
2023-09-18 13:51:05	Pikk3wyn	brb, hopefully my bluetooth will work now
2023-09-18 13:55:40	Pikk3wyn	unfortunately it did not fix the bluetooth
2023-09-18 13:59:12	Pikk3wyn	hmmmm, downgraded bluez as well and it still gives the issue
2023-09-18 13:59:49	Pikk3wyn	what can cause bluetooth to constantly fall over with Bluetooth: hci0: Failed to get device id (-108)
2023-09-18 14:00:01	Pikk3wyn	even if it is reset with usb_modeswitch
2023-09-18 14:01:03	Pikk3wyn	inxi is displaying it with speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 3-2:2 chip-ID: 0e8d:0608 class-ID: e001 
2023-09-18 14:01:20	Pikk3wyn	is e001 not 'generic bluetooth device' ?
2023-09-18 14:01:40	Pikk3wyn	I feel like it may be related but I can't remember if it was reporting as that before
2023-09-18 14:02:23	grawity	e0:01:01 is Wireless:Radio Frequency:Bluetooth
2023-09-18 14:02:49	grawity	lsusb.py -ci decodes those
2023-09-18 14:03:01	grawity	and inxi needs to learn it's 3 bytes
2023-09-18 14:04:32	Pikk3wyn	ah, lsusb.py indeed lists as e0:01:01
2023-09-18 14:05:47	Pikk3wyn	strangely rfkill can also see it, but gives invalid identifier if trying to block/unblock it
2023-09-18 14:06:24	Pikk3wyn	trying to put it up with hciconfig yields Cannot send after transport endpoint shutdown (108)
2023-09-18 14:06:57	Pikk3wyn	what could be affecting this>
2023-09-18 14:09:36	mingdao	Pikk3wyn: You should be able to go back through your logs to an earlier one and look with something like `journalctl -b -5|less +/bluetoothd` and read some output.
2023-09-18 14:09:53	mingdao	Pikk3wyn: The -b -5 means 5 boots back, basically.
2023-09-18 14:14:37	Pikk3wyn	it isn't giving anything related but I don't think the issue is with bluetoothd
2023-09-18 14:14:50	mingdao	k
2023-09-18 14:15:40	Pikk3wyn	maybe I can't read properly, sec
2023-09-18 14:17:28	mingdao	I was referencing <  Pikk3wyn> I feel like it may be related but I can't remember if it was reporting as that before
2023-09-18 14:19:02	mingdao	Pikk3wyn: Going back a few boots to the prior setup, wherever that might be, will allow you to see how "it was reporting as that before".
2023-09-18 14:20:51	Pikk3wyn	I can't see anywhere in the log that bluetoothd reports what usb class it was
2023-09-18 14:27:41	Pikk3wyn	the only difference I can see between the last boot it worked is it is now reporting Bluetooth: hci0: Failed to get device id (-108) instead of Bluetooth: hci0: Device setup in 21084369 usecs
2023-09-18 14:28:31	Pikk3wyn	I think(?) it is failing to register with btusb before bluetoothd gets a chance to have a go at it
2023-09-18 14:30:13	stefanc_diff91	Am I right in thinking that only Trusted Users have access to gitlab.archlinux.org ? I've modified and built, locally in my archlinux x64 install, 2 package versions that are new and not in the archlinux repositories yet. Wanted to contribute the changes needed back to the https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages repo , but don't
2023-09-18 14:30:14	stefanc_diff91	have an account on gitlab.archlinux.org and/or accounts.archlinux.org. Are these 2 auth endpoints only for Trusted Users and archlinux Core Maintainers ?
2023-09-18 14:30:15	phrik	Title: Packages · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-09-18 14:31:48	NetSysFire	afaik no, its open for everyone
2023-09-18 14:32:05	NetSysFire	i say so and have an account there without being staff or otherwise privileged
2023-09-18 14:34:51	Metroid	be nice if we could copy and paste the challenge question
2023-09-18 14:35:07	stefanc_diff91	NetSysFire the gitlab.archlinux.org "sign in" link redirects me to the keyclock service "accounts.archlinux.org". I don't see a "create new account" in the accounts service. Is there another web interface to create an account in the gitlab.archlinux.org ?
2023-09-18 14:35:27	Metroid	you missed the disclaimer at the top
2023-09-18 14:36:07	Metroid	"Due to an influx of spam, we have had to temporarily disable account registrations. Please write an email to accountsupport@archlinux.org, with your desired username, if you want to get access. Sorry for the inconvenience."
2023-09-18 14:36:39	lmat	thurstylark: back
2023-09-18 14:38:11	stefanc_diff91	I see , thanks Metroid . Didn't see the message at the top, wasn't displayed in the irc libera web client (I have to use the web client for a couple of days)
2023-09-18 14:40:22	NetSysFire	its not in the /topic
2023-09-18 14:40:30	Metroid	^
2023-09-18 14:41:56	Metroid	it's at the top of the gitlab page
2023-09-18 14:43:30	stefanc_diff91	Metroid maybe it was at the top of the gitlab page and I've closed it some days ago ... I remember seeing this "disabled account registrations, due to influx of spam ..." message before you've mentioned it today.
2023-09-18 14:49:36	Pikk3wyn	the device still shows in /sys/class/bluetooth
2023-09-18 14:50:28	Pikk3wyn	in hci0/rfkill4/soft + /hard have 0, but /state has 1, is state normally 1? I don't have another wireless device to check
2023-09-18 14:51:59	Pikk3wyn	nvm, tried setting state to 0, it just softblocked it
2023-09-18 15:22:11	nahtjona	Hi, I'm trying to debug a kernel panic (at least i guess so, my caps lock backlight keeps blinking after trying to poweroff my laptop). I've been looking for some error message in `dmesg -pH` and `journalctl -b -1` but found nothing. What should I try next?
2023-09-18 15:25:34	Elodin	Hi, after suspending i have to reconnect my usb device in order for it to work. Any idea regarding on why that happens?
2023-09-18 15:26:37	Namarrgon	nahtjona: once the kernel panics no data will be written to the filesystems, if you're lucky you might still find what lead up to the panic but not what happened during or after the panic
2023-09-18 15:27:05	Namarrgon	nahtjona: a serial connection would be best here
2023-09-18 15:36:25	Namarrgon	nahtjona: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kdump
2023-09-18 15:36:26	phrik	Title: Kdump - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-18 15:38:37	nahtjona	Namarrgon: thanks, I will try undoing some stuff I did to setup hibernation and if everything else fails, I will look into that
2023-09-18 15:49:44	armin	hello, i'm looking for an image upscaler i can run offline, from the command line. however, there's over 15 of them in the AUR alone when i search for "upscal" and i have no idea what i could try at first. any pointer?
2023-09-18 16:11:00	drrlvn	armin, not sure what you're trying to accomplish but if it's image related then imagemagick can probably do it
2023-09-18 16:17:09	mpan	drrlvn: I *guess* they mean a tool that generates probable higher resolution data matching a lower resolution input, like waifu2x.
2023-09-18 16:18:04	armin	drrlvn: what i try to do is circumvent having to use some "AI upscaler" (whatever that actually does in behind, i don't know) where i need to solve captcha's and get rate-limited in the first place.
2023-09-18 16:18:30	⚡ 	mpan was right.
2023-09-18 16:18:39	armin	:)
2023-09-18 16:19:13	mpan	armin: waifu2x is in the official repos even: <https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/waifu2x-ncnn-vulkan/>. Also PKGBUILDs for -git and other versions in AUR.
2023-09-18 16:19:16	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - waifu2x-ncnn-vulkan 20220728-2 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2023-09-18 16:19:28	mkoskar	Elodin: what usb device?
2023-09-18 16:19:40	armin	mpan: cool. thank you. :)
2023-09-18 16:19:48	Elodin	mkoskar: it's an usb hub with external power source
2023-09-18 16:20:22	mpan	armin: note that this is, like I guess all smortnet upscalers, requiring GPU computing.
2023-09-18 16:20:26	BrainDamage	armin: pictures or videos? does it have to run in realtime?
2023-09-18 16:20:39	mpan	So likely you will need to configure additional things, so your hardware can be used.
2023-09-18 16:22:40	armin	BrainDamage: just pictures, no realtime required, i have time. :)
2023-09-18 16:23:00	armin	mpan: yes it utilizes my radeon rx 5700 just fine, it works fantastically!
2023-09-18 16:23:05	armin	mpan: thank you!
2023-09-18 16:23:12	armin	!next
2023-09-18 16:23:13	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2023-09-18 16:25:33	mkoskar	Elodin: hmm, it might be smt with buggy autosuspend, notice https://0x0.st/HO2e.txt in https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/usb/power-management.txt ... depending what power management "thingy" you use, you might want to try to disable autosuspend on it
2023-09-18 16:27:10	arseru6	On my computer, everything executed locally seems to be binded to 0.0.0.0 (e.g. mongodb containers, localstack services, etc). How can I find which service does that, in order for https://localhost:4566 & mongodb://mongo:27017/ to work correctly?
2023-09-18 16:38:50	Namarrgon	arseru6: are these .socket activated units?
2023-09-18 16:40:09	arseru6	Namarrgon: oh sorry, actually localstack does work for localhost, my mistake!
2023-09-18 16:41:39	demonicmaniac1	mpan: armin: ncnn-vulkan only needs a vulkan capable gpu
2023-09-18 16:43:04	demonicmaniac1	there's waifu2x/realesrgan/realcugan - all with lots of options to twiddle
2023-09-18 16:44:07	newchair	trying to connect to an eduroam network with wpa_supplicant and I am getting this error: "TLS: Unsupported Phase2 EAP method 'MSCHAPv2'" which is strange because I set phase2="auth=MSCHAPV2" as described in the manpage.
2023-09-18 16:53:20	Edu4rdSHL	newchair, try iwd 
2023-09-18 16:58:12	vvn	what do you guys use /srv for on your machines?
2023-09-18 16:58:57	SCHAPiE	vvn: read-only bind mounts to use for NFS shares
2023-09-18 17:00:44	vvn	SCHAPiE: data is in /srv/{foo,bar} and you bind mount them in your system?
2023-09-18 17:02:04	pulec	anyoen has experience with zigbee? how hard is it to just read some sensor and read data from it?
2023-09-18 17:03:09	pulec	oh this is in repos https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io
2023-09-18 17:03:10	phrik	Title: Home | Zigbee2MQTT (at www.zigbee2mqtt.io)
2023-09-18 17:04:34	SCHAPiE	vvn: No, the data is somewhere else, and I make mount points under /srv
2023-09-18 17:05:46	pulec	great my device is supported, now to find some zigbee receiver
2023-09-18 17:05:48	vvn	SCHAPiE: ho, like /srv/nfs/{foo,bar} 
2023-09-18 17:06:05	SCHAPiE	vvn: Exactly
2023-09-18 17:06:21	SCHAPiE	And then I make NFS exports of /srv/nfs/{foo,bar}
2023-09-18 17:06:44	SCHAPiE	So other devices on the LAN can access the data read-only
2023-09-18 17:06:56	pulec	30 euro usb thingy, okeee
2023-09-18 17:07:15	vvn	and you can scratch /srv anytime, it's just mount points
2023-09-18 17:07:31	vvn	and the data resides in /home for example
2023-09-18 17:08:15	Ennea	i use /srv for the various directories my web server is serving
2023-09-18 17:09:08	igemnace	vvn: pretty loose and opinionated reading of FHS, but i typically use /srv/http for serving static files over http. /srv/git for git repos i host
2023-09-18 17:10:56	vvn	igemnace: I do the same. I have my source repos in /srv/git because /home tends to be messy but it doesn't seem right to store such data
2023-09-18 17:11:46	vvn	(XDG turned users home into a mess)
2023-09-18 17:26:37	Trel	There gonna be a WDG that messes it up further?
2023-09-18 17:26:37	Edu4rdSHL	What
2023-09-18 17:26:59	Edu4rdSHL	XDG turned users home into the right thing
2023-09-18 17:29:12	Trel	I disagree. I think it should have defined a secondary user location per-user rather than home.
2023-09-18 17:29:31	vvn	yep
2023-09-18 17:30:11	vvn	and the XDG variables makes no sense, even system doesn't respect them itself.
2023-09-18 17:30:13	SCHAPiE	Back to /usr/$USERNAME
2023-09-18 17:30:42	jelle	vvn: system?
2023-09-18 17:30:58	vvn	systemd*
2023-09-18 17:31:24	jelle	vvn: where?
2023-09-18 17:31:25	Trel	I'd have liked for example /home/user, /config/user, and /local/user instead of having the latter two as .directories 
2023-09-18 17:31:37	Edu4rdSHL	No thanks
2023-09-18 17:31:39	vvn	systemd writes to ~/.config for example and ignores $XDG_CONFIG_HOME
2023-09-18 17:32:21	Trel	Having them separate like that would also prevent user accidents with deletions and whatnot
2023-09-18 17:32:43	Trel	a rm -r in a home directory for example would not touch configs
2023-09-18 17:32:52	Edu4rdSHL	Well, then move / to something inexistent to avoid users deleting its /'s
2023-09-18 17:32:53	vvn	good luck changing the XDG base directory paths on your system if you don't like ~/Downloads, ~/Desktop and so on.
2023-09-18 17:33:09	SCHAPiE	"Accidental" rm -r, lol
2023-09-18 17:33:35	Trel	Accidental place run, not accidental run
2023-09-18 17:33:55	Trel	like you cd .. one too many times
2023-09-18 17:35:19	Trel	It would also make it easier to bulk backup things.  Like an admin could back up all the user configs without worrying about their personal files bulking the backups by just making a /config/* tarball
2023-09-18 17:35:55	Trel	I like how XDG standardizes the locations, I just disagree on where they are.
2023-09-18 17:36:03	vvn	Trel: exactly
2023-09-18 17:36:16	jelle	Trel: that's nice and all, but they are configurable
2023-09-18 17:36:36	Trel	Configurable != standardized
2023-09-18 17:36:44	jelle	Trel: huh?
2023-09-18 17:37:09	vvn	jelle: and again, try it and good luck. Systemd hardcodes paths such as ~/.config.
2023-09-18 17:37:18	Trel	jelle: being able to change them isn't the issue, I'm saying I don't think the defaults are necessarily sane
2023-09-18 17:37:22	jelle	vvn: then fill an issue?
2023-09-18 17:37:35	jelle	Trel: well sure, but good luck getting anyone to agree with anything
2023-09-18 17:37:39	Namarrgon	Trel: xdg xdg-base-dir is a standard
2023-09-18 17:37:56	Namarrgon	it's configurable via environment, so you can have your /config/user
2023-09-18 17:38:16	Edu4rdSHL	vvn, you're blaming xdg because of an issue related to systemd 
2023-09-18 17:38:21	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL shrug
2023-09-18 17:38:59	Trel	Argh, I'm disagreeing with what location was standardized, not saying I can't do what I want anyway. I'm disagreeing with the standard that was established, but not saying we should do anything. It's too late now.
2023-09-18 17:41:30	Trel	I mean I can easily get exactly what I'm saying now via symlinks, so it's mainly just musing.
2023-09-18 17:42:19	vvn	also the spec mentions ~/.local/bin, but doesn't define a variable for it
2023-09-18 17:42:54	Edu4rdSHL	PATH
2023-09-18 17:43:16	vvn	it will be improved for sure, but it doesn't really tackle the problem that users might want distinct places for their config and day to day stuffs and data to backup
2023-09-18 17:43:28	Edu4rdSHL	.local/bin is really an user-maintained thing, not something that apps does use
2023-09-18 17:44:52	vvn	Edu4rdSHL: I agree for the app point of view. But not from the user point of view. It's hard to organize these directories as you wish in practice.
2023-09-18 17:45:00	SCHAPiE	Edu4rdSHL: pip install --user, gem install --user-install
2023-09-18 17:45:16	jelle	pip install is kinda dead
2023-09-18 17:45:23	SCHAPiE	Also true
2023-09-18 17:45:50	vvn	ha true, apps do indeed use ~/.local/bin :)
2023-09-18 17:46:02	rcf	Also apps do not respect $PATH. 
2023-09-18 17:48:12	vvn	the XDG standard is a bit useless, you have /usr, /usr/local and we needed a similar user ~/.local tree, that's all. No arbitrary "~/.config", "~/.local/state" or "~/.cache" directories
2023-09-18 17:49:50	vvn	only ~/.local/share respect that. Why not having ~/.local/etc, ~/.local/var and so on for the other paths...
2023-09-18 17:50:00	rcf	Because then it would never have been adopted. 
2023-09-18 17:50:04	⚡ 	jelle facepalms
2023-09-18 17:50:26	jelle	imagine a time a Linux user could be satisfied with progress
2023-09-18 17:50:59	Namarrgon	i _just_ got it set up the way i like it!
2023-09-18 17:52:03	vvn	Namarrgon: wdym?
2023-09-18 17:52:04	SCHAPiE	Let's make a ~/.remote dir as well
2023-09-18 17:52:20	astralc	some things not supporting /usr/local correctly, and you expect XDG standard to be changed? some stuff still don't use .config!
2023-09-18 17:53:22	rcf	vvn: somebody will always hate any proposed default; the best you can do is propose a mechanism to override it. 
2023-09-18 17:53:37	vvn	nah the point is that there is the FHS describing system-wide paths. Instead of reproducing that in ~/.local, XDG decide to use a mixture of ~/.local/* paths and arbitrary ~/.* paths. It's simply inconsistent that's all.
2023-09-18 17:53:49	rcf	There is *a* FHS. 
2023-09-18 17:54:16	Namarrgon	and then there's gobolinux
2023-09-18 17:54:37	rcf	Arguably the way dotfiles have traditionally been done is more consistent and more desirable than any FHS adopted by any UNIX variant since they ran out of space on the one tape and needed to add /usr 
2023-09-18 17:56:15	vvn	rcf: can you detail that point?
2023-09-18 17:57:54	vvn	it's still weird that there is no standard (or commonly used) path for data. It's why most embedded systems will add a /data mountpoint.
2023-09-18 17:58:17	rcf	vvn: You have ~/.APPLICATION_NAME, and it can do as it pleases. It will work on any platform without issue. As a developer, you may then totally ignore the locally-applicable FHS and leave that to the build system to figure out. 
2023-09-18 17:59:00	vvn	I'm gonna call my user "usr" from now on to bring chaos with a fresh new /home/usr directory
2023-09-18 17:59:44	astralc	you can have you home dir in any name you want, unrealated
2023-09-18 17:59:51	astralc	you can have you home dir in any name you want, unrelated to your username
2023-09-18 18:00:37	vvn	rcf: I was referring to the origins of /usr, that seems interesting
2023-09-18 18:01:10	bjourne	any arch package for icc?
2023-09-18 18:01:27	Namarrgon	there used to be a bunch in the AUR
2023-09-18 18:01:35	rcf	vvn: originally, /usr was what /home is now. 
2023-09-18 18:02:21	vvn	rcf: that makes sense, given the name.
2023-09-18 18:03:05	rcf	vvn: it was then appropriated as UNIX grew too large and bloated, to distinguish between the core system and other userland tools. Then we got /usr/local because too much of the core system was really living in /usr already. 
2023-09-18 18:04:02	astralc	isn't local meant for 'machine local' compared to shared (nfs) thing?
2023-09-18 18:04:27	astralc	or maybe "managed"
2023-09-18 18:04:30	rcf	vvn: As with every aspect of UNIX philosophy, the justifications for doing these things was formulated post-hoc after the given hackjob of a design choice was already made on a whim. 
2023-09-18 18:04:40	bjourne	im finding intel-oneapi-dpcpp-cpp in the repos, uncear if that is the "new" icc or something else
2023-09-18 18:05:17	rcf	astralc: the actual meaning will vary from site to site, fittingly enough. 
2023-09-18 18:05:40	Namarrgon	bjourne: i think that oneapi stuff is the replacement for the old icc packages
2023-09-18 18:08:24	bjourne	Namarrgon: 2gb packages  uhg
2023-09-18 18:08:41	rcf	vvn: but as all this relates to dotfiles, the reason that trying to replicate 'the' FHS (Arch itself ships two, and they don't quite line up: hier(7) and file-hierarchy(7)) wouldn't have worked out is because a lot of software was written, at least initially, by people on a wide variety of systems that would not agree, and so the end user would take some issue with its seeming inconsistency no
2023-09-18 18:08:43	rcf	matter what. 
2023-09-18 18:10:10	vvn	yep. And from the app pov it's correct to assume that ~/.<app> is a writable path
2023-09-18 18:10:42	⚡ 	vvn is still looking for their user/protocol agnostic data directory
2023-09-18 18:10:44	rcf	vvn: see the /usr merge, or what the hell /tmp is meant to be, for problems you'll encounter on modern Linux if you take the 'standard' FHS as a model. 
2023-09-18 18:12:34	astralc	the meaning /tmp, /var/tmp, /run, /dev/shm, and some other places
2023-09-18 18:12:44	vvn	rcf: there's a need for a "core" system tree, a local system wide tree and a user tree. I guess the /usr merge tries to tackle the first need
2023-09-18 18:14:39	vvn	Should we standardize /data? You have 2 hours.
2023-09-18 18:14:51	rcf	It would be immensely difficult to do so. 
2023-09-18 18:15:06	astralc	in one place (I think systemd related), it said the /usr merge was done because with initrd is basically everywhere, there is no need for separate 'mandatory tools' location
2023-09-18 18:15:43	rcf	astralc: indeed, the old way is still dominant in BSD-land. 
2023-09-18 18:16:54	vvn	for stateless systems and such, it's nice to have a core read-only system tree to mount
2023-09-18 18:18:40	rcf	For those I'm not averse to cramming the whole system into an initramfs 
2023-09-18 18:19:41	Trel	jelle: what does one use now in lieu of pip?
2023-09-18 18:19:45	vvn	I meant that it's way simpler for a initrd to assume that /usr is a functional system tree which can be used readonly 
2023-09-18 18:23:29	lmat	I'm using pipewire. Just started. When a new client connects, I want it to get its input from a processed pipeline rather than directly from the microphone. I don't have time to set it up each time. Is there some way to automate or script connection of new clients?
2023-09-18 18:38:18	lmat	Is that what a session manager does?
2023-09-18 18:39:08	Edu4rdSHL	First, set up what
2023-09-18 18:42:48	lmat	Edu4rdSHL: For instance, when I open Zoom, something (wireplumber?) connects my microphone to zoom's input port.
2023-09-18 18:43:01	lmat	Edu4rdSHL: I don't want that. I want my microphone connected to some filters THEN connected to zoom's input port.
2023-09-18 18:44:37	Edu4rdSHL	So, use the "filters" input as default
2023-09-18 18:48:21	lmat	Edu4rdSHL: Seems reasonable. How do I do that? Is that a pipewire setting or Wireplumber or something else?
2023-09-18 18:54:51	Edu4rdSHL	lmat, wpctl set-default
2023-09-18 19:04:15	lmat	Edu4rdSHL: Thank you for the tip! I'm having trouble identifying the sink identifier. wpctl status shows the client I want under "Clients", but I don't see its output port under "Audio" anywhere.
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2023-09-20 00:00:08	Dex2x	Hi all, how do I find the path of my UART usb ? I see that it's device number 10, but all the programs like tio and so seem to hang if I use /dev/tty10 
2023-09-20 00:01:10	mpan	Dex2x: an UART USB device is likely to be rather ttyUSBn or ttyACMn. And you will find the name in the journal just after connecting it. To get persistent naming make a symlink using udev rules, based on device’s VID:PID.
2023-09-20 00:02:22	Dex2x	I have no ttyUSB or ACM , I have tty0-63 and ttyS0-25
2023-09-20 00:02:59	mpan	Do not try these names randomly, it will not work. See in the journal, what the assigned name is. If any.
2023-09-20 00:03:37	mpan	Also: the software you must use serial options that match these used by the device (starting with baud rate, which is the most likely mismatch).
2023-09-20 00:03:56	Dex2x	I see, new device number 111
2023-09-20 00:04:32	mpan	Could you please provide the **entire** relevant fragment? Do not paste here directly, use one of the sane paste services:
2023-09-20 00:04:35	mpan	!paste
2023-09-20 00:04:37	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-09-20 00:04:58	Dex2x	wait... I just updated. 
2023-09-20 00:07:28	Dex2x	mpan, there we go I have a /dev/ttyUSB0 
2023-09-20 02:25:25	meatswets	is there a terminal/cli app that will show a squarified treemap of a dirs/files sizes?
2023-09-20 02:27:47	mefistofeles	not sure what you mean exactly by that, but maybe `ncdu`? meatswets 
2023-09-20 02:29:06	meatswets	https://www.flickr.com/photos/schoschie/100056488
2023-09-20 02:29:07	phrik	Title: My Harddisk as a Squarified Treemap | Created using the most… | Flickr (at www.flickr.com)
2023-09-20 02:32:28	mefistofeles	meatswets: ah that one, yeah I don't know a CLI that has that
2023-09-20 02:33:40	mefistofeles	meatswets: https://github.com/imsnif/diskonaut 
2023-09-20 02:34:08	Pikk3wyn	idk what squarified is
2023-09-20 02:34:12	Pikk3wyn	but lsd can do that
2023-09-20 02:34:25	Pikk3wyn	lsd -l --tree
2023-09-20 02:34:40	Pikk3wyn	and then you can do your size sorting or whatever as well
2023-09-20 02:34:59	mefistofeles	Pikk3wyn: I think they meant what they showed in the screenshot, I think it's commonly called treemap
2023-09-20 02:35:43	meatswets	yeah, diskonaut was what I was looking for, thanks
2023-09-20 02:44:40	cedb	is there a way to get updates on this: https://github.com/nix-community/home-manager/issues/4405#issuecomment-1708910547
2023-09-20 02:44:53	cedb	"will be fixed in NixOS/nix#8936, so I guess just wait for the fix to be released on Arch"
2023-09-20 02:46:33	Helenah	Hi Pikk3wyn :3
2023-09-20 02:46:47	Pikk3wyn	ayy :D
2023-09-20 02:48:05	mefistofeles	cedb: are you actively using nix?
2023-09-20 02:48:31	mefistofeles	I'm jsut curious how is that working with arch, other than that issue :P
2023-09-20 02:49:27	Pikk3wyn	I normally use du -h / | sort -h
2023-09-20 02:49:36	Pikk3wyn	not exactly pretty but it works :P
2023-09-20 02:53:23	Pikk3wyn	 linux-firmware 20230804 broke with my mediatek bluetooth adapter again
2023-09-20 02:53:27	Pikk3wyn	anyone else had the same issue?
2023-09-20 02:54:46	NetSysFire	i use du -hd1 . 2>/dev/null | sort -h
2023-09-20 03:08:43	cedb	mefistofeles: i was trying it for stuff like haskell, to install pandoc but sort of "contained" i gues
2023-09-20 03:09:16	mefistofeles	cedb: I see
2023-09-20 03:09:19	cedb	nix works its just the home-manager utility which seems like a way to enforce convention, idk nix well at all so dont wanna rabbithole into figuring out the perfect config
2023-09-20 03:10:55	cedb	i mean i wanna try it too in general and mixing package managers has never turned out like a major pain to me as long as you dont you know, explicitly do sometihng really dumb
2023-09-20 03:36:41	jmcantrell	regarding keyrings(7), what's the distinction between persistent keys and the other types. it says that they remain even though the user is logged out, but from what i can tell, even keys added to @u stick around between logins
2023-09-20 03:36:47	jmcantrell	?
2023-09-20 03:40:49	Pikk3wyn	I think it has to do with them being accessible
2023-09-20 03:41:04	Pikk3wyn	the rest would be locked I believe
2023-09-20 03:43:54	jmcantrell	i'm not sure what you mean. both seem to be accessible between logins, but the man page seems to indicate that this is specific to persistent keys
2023-09-20 03:44:19	Pikk3wyn	what are you using to access them between logins?
2023-09-20 03:44:47	bswartz	NetSysFire: ZOMG I didn't know sort had an "-h" flag
2023-09-20 03:44:50	bswartz	<3
2023-09-20 03:46:45	jmcantrell	keyctl pipe. maybe i'm misunderstanding. i'm assuming that when i logout the user keyring is gc'd and then on login a new user keyring is created
2023-09-20 03:47:34	jmcantrell	whereas with persistent keys, it seems like the keyring is not gc'd when logging out, only after a reboot
2023-09-20 03:49:24	Commander_Keen	hey all - I just installed arch (technically alarm, arch for arm) on a raspberry pi - but I cannot get xterm to work (or xinit or startx) no matter what I set the DISPLAY env variable to I get the "xt error cannot open display :0.0" --ive tried everything I could think of and looked at dozens of docs and walkthroughs - I dont understand whats missing or broken
2023-09-20 03:49:49	Commander_Keen	if I run xinit or startx I get an unescapable black screen and have to reboot
2023-09-20 03:52:29	Scimmia	Commander_Keen: you were told more than once, you have to use the alarm channel
2023-09-20 03:52:39	Scimmia	!give Commander_Keen notarch
2023-09-20 03:52:40	phrik	Commander_Keen: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2023-09-20 04:02:04	Commander_Keen	!phrik
2023-09-20 04:02:05	phrik	Forever broken, but I'm still not your butler.
2023-09-20 04:02:11	mefistofeles	!butler
2023-09-20 04:02:12	phrik	Forever not butler. still broken, I'm your but
2023-09-20 04:02:32	mefistofeles	!but
2023-09-20 04:02:32	phrik	mefistofeles: Is that a question?
2023-09-20 04:02:53	Commander_Keen	why cannot I not get phrik in a dm with /msg (usually this is how you query a bot  for its capabilities without disrupting the channel)
2023-09-20 04:02:58	Commander_Keen	!help
2023-09-20 04:02:58	phrik	Commander_Keen: Use the 'list' command to list all plugins, and 'list <plugin>' to list all commands in a plugin. To show the help of a command, use 'help <command>'. 
2023-09-20 04:03:03	Commander_Keen	!list
2023-09-20 04:03:04	phrik	Commander_Keen: ALwiki, Admin, Aka, Anonymous, Channel, Conditional, Config, DDG, DarkSky, Dict, Dunno, Filter, Format, Games, Googler, Internet, Karma, Kickme, Later, Math, MessageParser, Misc, MoobotFactoids, Network, OpsPing, Owner, Plugin, QuoteGrabs, RSS, Reply, Scheduler, Services, String, Success, Time, Topic, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
2023-09-20 04:03:33	Commander_Keen	!MoobotFactoids
2023-09-20 04:03:34	phrik	Commander_Keen: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
2023-09-20 04:03:49	Commander_Keen	!Games
2023-09-20 04:03:50	phrik	take it to #archlinux-gaming
2023-09-20 04:08:18	Commander_Keen	the people at archlinuxarm where much more helpful (you know the gatekeeping in here gets REALLY fucking old)
2023-09-20 04:08:28	Commander_Keen	this is why this community has a terrible rep
2023-09-20 04:09:14	Commander_Keen	I fail to see how arch for arm isnt arch (or how wasting more space telling people to ask in other channels than it would take to just answer the question is helpful)
2023-09-20 04:10:55	Scimmia	and with that, you just destroyed any willingness people in here would have to help you
2023-09-20 04:11:28	Scimmia	you use a different distro, then whine like a baby when people won't help you with it. Tough shit
2023-09-20 04:12:00	Scimmia	the community has a terrible rep because of assholes like you that want to abuse it
2023-09-20 04:12:00	Pikk3wyn	why don't you go ask #ubuntu? maybe they will appreciate your attitude
2023-09-20 04:12:10	institor	ask ##javascript
2023-09-20 04:12:19	Pikk3wyn	the community doesn't even have a terrible rep  
2023-09-20 04:12:35	Scimmia	it does among assholes
2023-09-20 04:12:37	Pikk3wyn	the only people who say so are those who do not have the ability to rtfm
2023-09-20 04:13:00	Pikk3wyn	or simply rtf any information in front of them
2023-09-20 04:13:13	Pikk3wyn	if course they were helpful, it's the archlinuxarm channel
2023-09-20 04:13:23	Pikk3wyn	you are using archlinuxarm
2023-09-20 04:13:26	Pikk3wyn	on a pi
2023-09-20 04:14:05	institor	go ask on reddit or discord
2023-09-20 04:14:14	Pikk3wyn	the issues that come up with that (specifically graphics) are usually totally different
2023-09-20 04:14:15	institor	i'm sure the most intelligent minds congregate there
2023-09-20 04:14:16	Commander_Keen	Scimmia - im not whining - Im telling you you were a rude POS to me for no reason and it reflects poorly on Arch as a whole
2023-09-20 04:14:36	Pikk3wyn	the only one reflecting badly on arch is you my friend
2023-09-20 04:14:37	farkenvoid	LOL
2023-09-20 04:15:08	Scimmia	Commander_Keen: and I'm telling you that you're a complete asshole who knowingly disregards the rules. Guess what, you're not special. You're not above the rules
2023-09-20 04:15:25	Commander_Keen	im sorry but "youve been told more than once..." is (A not true) but B - the way you talk to a child, so don't try to project this back on me
2023-09-20 04:15:28	farkenvoid	great stuff guys, just like the good lod days
2023-09-20 04:15:39	Commander_Keen	Scimmia handled my question poorly, and I reacted 
2023-09-20 04:16:00	Scimmia	[3:01:21 pm] <Commander_Keen> hey all - is there an alarm (arch for arm) channel on libera -can i get the name if you know it?
2023-09-20 04:16:14	Commander_Keen	do you see how much space and time has been wasted by gatekeeping as opposed to either A) being helpful B) respectfully directing me to archlinuxarm
2023-09-20 04:16:19	Pikk3wyn	you are using archlinuxarm, that is a different distro, and if you paid any attention, you would know that the issues with graphics are usually completely different
2023-09-20 04:16:26	Pikk3wyn	it's not gatekeeping, he is hHELPING you
2023-09-20 04:16:30	institor	ask in #libera
2023-09-20 04:16:33	institor	i'm sure they will be happy to help
2023-09-20 04:16:54	Pikk3wyn	do you not understand that being directed to a channel for your specific distro where you can get specific help
2023-09-20 04:17:04	Pikk3wyn	with an issue related to your distro, which is not this distro
2023-09-20 04:17:10	Pikk3wyn	that is called being helpful
2023-09-20 04:17:15	Commander_Keen	Pikk3wyn -do you not understand that what im saying has nothing to do with that
2023-09-20 04:17:27	Commander_Keen	im saying there is a right and wrong way to talk to people
2023-09-20 04:17:35	Scimmia	and I know you were told last night, but I can't be bothered going that far back in the scrollback
2023-09-20 04:17:44	Commander_Keen	and Scimmia fucked up- and now he wants to blame it on me
2023-09-20 04:17:51	institor	please stop using hateful and abusive language Commander_Keen 
2023-09-20 04:17:53	thingfish	this is IRC.  Grow up and stop whining about your hurt feelings.  Sheesh.
2023-09-20 04:17:54	institor	this is a safe and inclusive space
2023-09-20 04:18:02	Pikk3wyn	lmao
2023-09-20 04:18:04	Commander_Keen	look im not trying to start a fight - just in the future think about how what you say is going to come across
2023-09-20 04:18:07	Commander_Keen	peace
2023-09-20 04:18:09	Pikk3wyn	yeah, seriously
2023-09-20 04:18:10	institor	you may want to consult Stanford's Elimination of Harmful Language Initiative
2023-09-20 04:18:12	institor	https://web.archive.org/web/20221219160303/https://itcommunity.stanford.edu/ehli
2023-09-20 04:18:15	phrik	Title: Elimination of Harmful Language Initiative | IT Community (at web.archive.org)
2023-09-20 04:18:47	Pikk3wyn	Commander_Keen: in the future you should think about taking a xanax before coming on irc :P
2023-09-20 04:18:52	thingfish	lol
2023-09-20 04:19:04	Commander_Keen	Harmful Language? Yeah im for free speech so i dont think thats a concept I can get behind - but anyway, my point seems to be going over everyones head, so I will drop it
2023-09-20 04:19:04	Pikk3wyn	if you freak out like this over nothing every time i don't know how you're going to get help
2023-09-20 04:19:21	institor	Commander_Keen: so you support racism, bigotry, and hate speech?
2023-09-20 04:19:27	institor	"freeze peach"
2023-09-20 04:19:36	Commander_Keen	no I support everyones right to say what they want
2023-09-20 04:19:43	Commander_Keen	including things I don't agree with
2023-09-20 04:19:52	Pikk3wyn	then why are you telling him how to speak
2023-09-20 04:20:17	Commander_Keen	theres a difference between being agains censorship and demanding personal respect
2023-09-20 04:20:31	farkenvoid	come on
2023-09-20 04:20:39	Commander_Keen	look im just trying to get my pi working - I regret even responding to the negative energy
2023-09-20 04:20:43	Commander_Keen	peace
2023-09-20 04:20:50	Pikk3wyn	lmao
2023-09-20 04:20:59	Scimmia	[7:24:24 pm] <rcf> Also remember that once you're running on ARM proper, it's a matter for #archlinuxarm.
2023-09-20 04:21:00	Scimmia	[7:24:49 pm] <Commander_Keen> rcf: thanks I wouldnt have even thought of that 
2023-09-20 04:21:21	Scimmia	damn, too late
2023-09-20 04:21:31	Pikk3wyn	one's born every day
2023-09-20 04:21:40	institor	probably a discord user
2023-09-20 04:21:45	Pikk3wyn	yuuuup
2023-09-20 04:35:17	NetSysFire	bswartz: i bet you also dont know that ip has a --color flag. ip -c -br all is quite nice for a quick overview
2023-09-20 04:58:09	Edu4rdSHL	!drama
2023-09-20 04:58:11	phrik	http://pkgbuild.com/~jelle/archdrama.jpeg
2023-09-20 04:58:28	Edu4rdSHL	Accurate picture
2023-09-20 06:47:45	Gnana	pipewire giving issue, everytime i restart system ihave restart pipewire service, to the audio? anyone have same issue?
2023-09-20 06:53:53	Edu4rdSHL	What
2023-09-20 07:53:22	ayushnix	Gnana probably means that the pipewire service needs to be restarted after a system boot to get audio working
2023-09-20 07:53:56	ayushnix	I've had this issue for several months (maybe years)
2023-09-20 07:54:14	ayushnix	it seems to have been fixed recently but I'm not sure
2023-09-20 07:54:36	Gnana	ayushnix: im using systemctl --user enable pipewire
2023-09-20 07:55:01	Gnana	you mean its not booting up on start?
2023-09-20 07:55:16	ayushnix	yeah, I'm also starting pipewire as a user service
2023-09-20 07:55:16	Gnana	also, check these error http://pastie.org/p/0muGZgNjhc7fm1pI34jdGZ
2023-09-20 07:55:18	phrik	Title: Pastie (at pastie.org)
2023-09-20 07:55:47	ayushnix	the service does start but I used to get no audio until I restarted the pipewire service
2023-09-20 07:56:23	dviola	Gnana: arch already enables pipewire for you
2023-09-20 07:56:31	Gnana	yes, that is what is happing ayushnix 
2023-09-20 07:57:07	ayushnix	yeah, like I said, this issue was probably present for more than an year for me
2023-09-20 07:57:12	ayushnix	not sure when it was fixed
2023-09-20 07:59:00	ayushnix	although this issue seems to have been fixed, I get crackling sounds with pipewire now
2023-09-20 07:59:11	ayushnix	happens reliably when using linux-hardened
2023-09-20 07:59:20	ayushnix	happens randomly when using linux-lts
2023-09-20 08:20:32	teJECSke	cannot find linux-6.5.4
2023-09-20 09:01:41	jelle	Edu4rdSHL: what drama :o
2023-09-20 09:02:39	jelle	02:08:19 Commander_Keen | the people at archlinuxarm where much more helpful (you know the gatekeeping in here gets REALLY fucking old)
2023-09-20 09:02:45	jelle	oh the person left :)
2023-09-20 09:05:13	Edu4rdSHL	jelle, yep, that one
2023-09-20 09:29:22	aruncs	Gnana: i also have issues with `pipewire-pulse` it is using "loopback analog output" insted of analog output and nothig comes out of the speaker
2023-09-20 09:45:47	carpenter	how does one know what cpus are compatible with the latest Linux kernel?
2023-09-20 09:46:53	jelle	carpenter: what cpu?
2023-09-20 09:47:11	jelle	it most likely is
2023-09-20 09:49:16	carpenter	my oldest cpu is an i7-3770
2023-09-20 09:56:09	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-20 10:15:06	tralala`	Can I check why a package was installed? E.g. as a dependency of something else.
2023-09-20 10:15:17	ℹ 	tralala` es conocido ahora como tralala
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2023-09-20 10:18:16	Edu4rdSHL	tralala, pacman -Qi $package
2023-09-20 10:18:33	Edu4rdSHL	"Install Reason"
2023-09-20 10:18:44	tralala	Thank you, Edu4rdSHL!
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2023-09-20 11:12:04	sinbad	Is there statistics available on downloads of (binary) AUR packages?
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2023-09-20 11:36:08	gromit	sinbad: The aur itself does not contain binary packages .. There is https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/fun
2023-09-20 11:36:10	phrik	Title: pkgstats.archlinux.de (at pkgstats.archlinux.de)
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2023-09-20 22:38:53	nickb	Hi. Setting up a new laptop with Intel AX211. The link is down upon boot and trying to set it up results in WRT: invalid buffer destination. Is this a driver issue and I should just wait for the support?
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2023-09-20 22:40:16	nerdistmonk	well i can only assume none of this is working
2023-09-20 22:40:51	nerdistmonk	pretty sure using "cat ./filename /dev/ttyUSB0" should cause the unit to print whether or not i set it up in cups, its doing nothing at all.
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2023-09-20 22:58:25	nerdistmonk	im thinking the problem with the printer is that it needs an RS-422 to usb instead of RS-232
2023-09-20 22:58:45	nerdistmonk	the system sees a perfectly good serial port, but nothing else as far as I can tell
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2023-09-20 23:13:18	damax	Hello everyone, what could be the reason why my laptop keeps not connecting to the strongest bssid of any network? I'm using latest version kde plasma nm, and when listing the networks, either with nmcli or wpa_supplicant, it always shows as connected to either the worst or the second best bssid by signal strength (which is a problem when the choice is just between -80 and -70/60 dbm)
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2023-09-21 12:20:26	susi	it's a shame, my laptop's power consumption has ramped up since a few -Syu's
2023-09-21 12:20:31	susi	anyone else noticed something similar?
2023-09-21 12:20:44	HuntsMan	how much?
2023-09-21 12:25:36	susi	even 15-20% on average, but I have not done exact measurements
2023-09-21 12:26:02	susi	or maybe more like 10-15 % 
2023-09-21 12:26:08	jelle	according to whom?
2023-09-21 12:26:48	jelle	powertop? Wall socket measurements?
2023-09-21 12:27:57	susi	according to me always watching power_now value, always being on battery, and also noticing clear drop in how long my battery lasts, that's not accounted by drop in energy_full or miscalib
2023-09-21 12:28:37	susi	power_now's nowadays constantly higher than used to, and never drops to as low as where it used to mostly stay before
2023-09-21 12:30:17	rodolfo	quit
2023-09-21 12:38:22	solsTiCe	hi. I just noticed that suspend-then-hibernate doe snot work anymore. my pc woke  up after 60min (the HibernateDelaySec), but di dnot hibernate. and later on one hour later just goes to sleep (suspend) as normal. systemd broke it again?
2023-09-21 12:47:47	Tom^	susi: ryzen?
2023-09-21 12:48:06	susi	integrated intel
2023-09-21 12:48:06	Tom^	amd-pstate changed quite recently
2023-09-21 12:48:13	Tom^	okay
2023-09-21 12:48:17	susi	this is very entry-level/low-end netbook
2023-09-21 12:48:58	Tom^	susi: run tlp/or similiar to reduce power usage? and have you rebooted since your last -Syu?
2023-09-21 12:49:19	susi	yes I have, and no tlp/or similar
2023-09-21 12:49:34	Khorne	revert kernel, confirm hypothesis, bisect to find cause
2023-09-21 12:49:41	Tom^	was just thinking https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/77789
2023-09-21 12:49:43	phrik	Title: FS#77789 : [systemd] updating resets keyboard layout / udev reload (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-09-21 12:49:59	susi	yeah, this is so significant that I might just do that
2023-09-21 12:50:01	Tom^	as i mentioned there, it probably will reset various tools like tlp
2023-09-21 12:50:10	Tom^	but its not that then this time :p
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2023-09-21 14:51:49	Trel	Tom^: Is that bug why my audio devices get redetected and switch every time do a pacman update?
2023-09-21 14:52:00	Tom^	yes
2023-09-21 14:52:19	Trel	Hmm at least that's one mystery solved.
2023-09-21 14:52:31	Tom^	a one time issue implented a 7 out of 10 -Syu's brokeness
2023-09-21 14:52:35	Tom^	logics
2023-09-21 15:37:39	krumelmonster	How does linux choose which display the TTYs are on and how can I configure it? Same for lightdm. Sometimes when I boot my laptop in the dock boot messages and lightdm are on a screen I don't use normally
2023-09-21 15:38:24	nortega	Usually when I boot like that I get the TTY login screen mirrored on both. :/
2023-09-21 15:38:41	nortega	Not sure about lightdm, as I haven't used a DM in ages.
2023-09-21 15:39:37	krumelmonster	I wouldn't mind that as long as it's showing on any of the screens on my desk and not on the screen infront of the couch^^
2023-09-21 15:41:10	stef204	hi, how does one verify the ssh public key at the new https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages ?
2023-09-21 15:41:11	phrik	Title: Packages · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-09-21 15:41:16	stef204	should that not be published somewhere, its fingerprint, etc.?
2023-09-21 15:41:19	stef204	it shows "ED25519 key fingerprint is SHA256:pUuc8tXTcCz4yk3Cl3Ijxpyog6tWmfm3ehXV1KFHHOw" but how does one know that is correct?
2023-09-21 15:49:52	astralc	why the key is published?
2023-09-21 15:50:09	astralc	shouldn't it be in you account settings somewhere?
2023-09-21 15:52:45	Scimmia	astralc: host key, not your key
2023-09-21 15:56:47	Trel	nortega: same. I didn't look too much into it since one I start my x session, the desktop environment handles the screen so it's only when I'm directly on a tty.  
2023-09-21 15:56:56	wunit	heh, the official GitLab docs also only tell the user to just go "yes", "enter": https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/ssh.html#verify-that-you-can-connect
2023-09-21 15:56:58	phrik	Title: Use SSH keys to communicate with GitLab | GitLab (at docs.gitlab.com)
2023-09-21 16:00:59	astralc	it say how to check in the link
2023-09-21 16:01:00	astralc	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/help/instance_configuration#ssh-host-keys-fingerprints
2023-09-21 16:01:01	phrik	Title: Instance Configuration · Help · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-09-21 16:01:16	arseru6	I need to edit & sign a PDF electronically from ArchLinux; what's the best way to do that? adobe-reader-11[AUR]? bottles-git[AUR]? Looking for recommendations :)
2023-09-21 16:01:39	stef204	astralc:yeah but that seems rather dumb and it's coming from gitlab, not arch
2023-09-21 16:01:51	stef204	on the first link
2023-09-21 16:01:59	stef204	let me check the 2nd link you posted
2023-09-21 16:02:42	astralc	> GitLab.com or another GitLab instance, see gitlab.example.com/help/instance_configuration#ssh-host-keys-fingerprints where gitlab.example.com is gitlab.com (for GitLab.com) or the address of the GitLab instance.
2023-09-21 16:03:17	stef204	astralc:yes, the secondl ink you posted is perfect. I knew it had to be somewhere....
2023-09-21 16:03:19	stef204	thanks
2023-09-21 16:03:25	wunit	ah, nice, thanks!
2023-09-21 16:03:31	stef204	s/ink/link
2023-09-21 16:03:44	wunit	sorry, I missed that >.<
2023-09-21 16:11:30	mingdao	arseru6: Will be interested in seeing your answer.
2023-09-21 16:12:21	arseru6	mingdao: found it already; masterpdfeditor-free[AUR] can add text to the PDF, and okular can e-sign it :) https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/okular/okular/signatures.html 
2023-09-21 16:12:21	phrik	Title: Signatures (at docs.kde.org)
2023-09-21 16:13:37	mingdao	arseru6: Using Acrobat Pro through the Adobe Creative Suite, or a Adobe Acrobat monthly subscription, I could not edit very much, and sign, without Acrobat installed.
2023-09-21 16:15:46	mingdao	arseru6: Just good editing would have helped me.  Trying to edit a PDF template for a new resume.  However, most of these templates are created in Microsoft Word, a poor example of a word processing application, rather than in some desktop publishing software like InDesign.
2023-09-21 16:16:54	mingdao	arseru6: This is the one I was trying to edit https://0x0.st/H9LL.pdf
2023-09-21 16:19:55	arseru6	mingdao: have you tried the approach I just told you?
2023-09-21 16:20:37	mingdao	arseru6: No.
2023-09-21 16:20:52	arseru6	mingdao it worked fine for me :)
2023-09-21 16:21:33	mingdao	arseru6: That would require investigating masterpdfeditor-free[AUR], and I am using InDesign and Doing It Right™.
2023-09-21 16:21:50	arseru6	np
2023-09-21 16:22:49	susi	mingdao: nah, don't write your CV as a PDF - just convert it to a PDF if must
2023-09-21 16:24:08	arseru6	neither word or pdf formats are good formats to work with -.-
2023-09-21 16:24:32	susi	I heard PowerPoint is the nowadays CV format-to-go
2023-09-21 16:27:22	mingdao	depends upon who is writing, and how much flexibility they want to have with it now, and editing it for future submission.
2023-09-21 16:28:27	jelle	PDF is the way
2023-09-21 16:30:07	susi	mingdao: here's an example of a CV: https://0x0.st/HOUp.txt
2023-09-21 16:30:43	mingdao	When you use InDesign you have complete flexibility, and can edit everything in the document precisely.  Then when you get what you want to use, you export it to PDF.
2023-09-21 16:30:45	drc	that's not powerpoint, though
2023-09-21 16:30:59	mingdao	susi: I don't need an example of a CV.  I have a resume, but, thanks.
2023-09-21 16:31:25	mingdao	PowerPoint would not be an optimal tool for creating a resume.
2023-09-21 16:31:44	jelle	just pick moderncv :)
2023-09-21 16:32:00	susi	but then you could engage the proponents longer, first setting up the environment to show your slides, and then actually showing them and discussing em piece by piec
2023-09-21 16:34:04	mingdao	susi: Here we submit a resume to get a recruiter to notice us.  The recruiters don't use PP; they look at DOC and PDF.  Also, the ATS scans the resume for terms.
2023-09-21 16:34:08	⚡ 	mingdao moves on 
2023-09-21 16:34:53	susi	ah, the e-culture of things
2023-09-21 16:36:20	mingdao	jelle: I thought moderncv died some years back.
2023-09-21 16:37:56	jelle	huh?
2023-09-21 16:37:56	jelle	https://lucaf.eu/2022/08/18/cv-markdown-pandoc-python-latex.html
2023-09-21 16:37:56	jelle	there is also a markdown variant *somewhere*
2023-09-21 16:37:57	phrik	Title: How I manage my CV with Markdown, Pandoc, Python, and LaTeX | Luca Franceschini (at lucaf.eu)
2023-09-21 16:38:51	mingdao	https://github.com/xdanaux/moderncv
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2023-09-21 18:56:44	GinjaNinja32	well, yesterday I said I'd manage to connect some other interface and have it not work; today I plugged my phone in again and it didn't work, because I hit the 50/50 chance and plugged it into the other port so the config didn't match. time to work out how to make it match either port i guess.
2023-09-21 18:56:51	cedb	susi: damn why did you have to do us like that with that cv
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2023-09-21 18:57:42	cedb	im also a big fan of a simple vim +latex i dont think people here look for jobs where a big colorful slidedeck is seen like a good format for a cv 
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2023-09-21 19:19:03	eigar	Well. I'm all rather new to this realm. But found my answer ;P, I managed to overlook it on first read :/
2023-09-21 19:19:12	mingdao	mpan: eigar clearly indicated they want to check AUR pkgs for something.  They just didn't make it so clear until I asked a question, but when they clarified, <        eigar> As in AUR packages. Repos locally cloned and possibly pulled.    it was sussed.
2023-09-21 19:19:46	eigar	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PKGBUILD "Mandatory variables are pkgname, pkgver, pkgrel, and arch."
2023-09-21 19:19:47	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-21 19:19:51	mingdao	eigar: Can you check your locally cloned AUR package's PKGBUILD's for pkgver+'-'+pkgrel ?
2023-09-21 19:19:54	mpan	eigar: please, slowly and carefully describe in detail your current situation. Then describe, what you want to achieve — remembering that we do not see your thoughts.
2023-09-21 19:20:02	mingdao	eigar: Yes, that says it all.
2023-09-21 19:20:16	mingdao	eigar: Good find.
2023-09-21 19:20:43	mingdao	eigar: I was reading some files from yay such as aur_test.go
2023-09-21 19:22:08	mpan	eigar: I see, that you found the direct answer to the first question, to be clear. But still that may be not what you are searching for (XY problem) and there may be easier and better ways of solving this.
2023-09-21 19:22:13	mingdao	eigar: I think I remember you from FreeNode, but with another nick.
2023-09-21 19:22:59	eigar	mingdao: I used to be on FreeNode - but have not used Arch until now.
2023-09-21 19:24:32	mingdao	Nickwiz ?
2023-09-21 19:24:47	eigar	mingdao: Sounds familiar :P
2023-09-21 19:25:34	mingdao	:^)  seem to remember you mostly from #vim and #bash there.
2023-09-21 19:28:56	cedb	arch-missedconnection
2023-09-21 19:29:13	mingdao	!politewelcome
2023-09-21 19:29:14	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux - How can we help you?
2023-09-21 19:29:55	mpan	eigar: in case you are trying to write own scripts to check for updates to incorporate into your workflow, or just deal with the locally cloned repos, be aware alad did the job already: aurutils. Will save you some pain and writing potentially unsafe code.
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2023-09-21 19:31:54	eigar	I have a directory with all AUR packages. I created a script that check all repos for updates (git ls-remote --head) against local HEAD. If no match ask if I want to do a fetch. If so; then ask if I want to do a pull. If so; then ask if I want to do a build and install. Yes - it is very "hands on", but I tweak some of the code and if needed want to check if I need to do some work before build.
2023-09-21 19:31:56	mpan	Not sure if it will solve that exact problem. But even if not, worth checking to see how to decently process the things.
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2023-09-21 19:32:26	mpan	Yeah, then certainly see aurutils first.
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2023-09-21 19:35:04	fluix	what does pacman do if an installed package from a repository is changed/updated but it's pkgver and pkgrel stay the same (or where is the relevant documentation)?
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2023-09-21 19:36:11	eigar	Reason I asked for the version in regards to PKGBUILD is to ensure PKGBUILD matches with installed version (In case I do a pull and for what ever reason do not build/install). Then I can yield something like "Repo up to dat but not built / installed" ~ but yes. I'll look into aurutils.
2023-09-21 19:36:35	mpan	fluix: hi. Updated: not possible, as without pkgver/pkgrel being bumped it will not see it as an upgrade. Installed (as with -U): it will warn you, that you are reinstalling, and that’s it.
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2023-09-21 19:37:03	eigar	mingdao: Yes; did use some time in them realms.
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2023-09-21 20:00:26	lb9di	add it to multi-user.target
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2023-09-21 20:01:11	lb9di	graphical.target has Requires=multi-user.target
2023-09-21 20:01:33	lb9di	bonob: ^
2023-09-21 20:02:28	bonob	the case is that multi-user is too early in some situations, so the service would need to be pulled by graphical then
2023-09-21 20:03:03	bonob	basically when there's a display manager. Otherwise multi-user works fine
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2023-09-21 20:05:00	mingdao	mpan: Might be an ignorant question, but will aurutils replace yay?  And do much more, it seems.
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2023-09-21 20:05:05	lb9di	sounds like an xyproblem
2023-09-21 20:05:30	lb9di	what is the service dependent on?
2023-09-21 20:05:41	mpan	mingdao: no.
2023-09-21 20:06:01	bonob	lb9di: I don't think so >< I'm trying to suggest a good setup for the service unit, which doesn't work with multi-user for some other people
2023-09-21 20:06:23	lb9di	why is it "too early sometimes" ?
2023-09-21 20:06:33	mpan	mingdao: but this is the set of tools one may wish to see, if they want to incorporate the logic into their existing workflow. And also well written, so one may wish to look into it for inspiration.
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2023-09-21 20:07:16	lb9di	network? some other hardware?
2023-09-21 20:07:21	lb9di	most things can be waited on
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2023-09-21 20:07:26	bonob	the service takes control of the GPU fan, and likely some service started by some desktop environments override control of the fan.. well, at least it's my hypothesis..
2023-09-21 20:07:33	demonicmaniac1	bonob: does the service need to be started before login or is it fine anytime after?
2023-09-21 20:07:41	mpan	(AUR helpers are known for notoriously employing poor practices regarding PKGBUILD processing and packaging; so anything decently written is better)
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2023-09-21 20:07:59	demonicmaniac1	if the latter you could use a systemd timer with afterboot seconds
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2023-09-21 20:08:36	lb9di	mpan: slightly less horribly now that we have .SRCINFO etc
2023-09-21 20:08:49	mpan	lb9di: true.
2023-09-21 20:09:08	mpan	At least nobody executes PKGBUILDs them with root privileges to obtain variables. ;)
2023-09-21 20:09:38	bonob	sure demonicmaniac1, that's a possible approach, for a user who would have specific software interfering with the service for example
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2023-09-21 20:10:55	bonob	I think the right target is `graphical`, but if I could suggest a setup that's pulled by `graphical` when active, and by `multi-user` otherwise, I think that would be ideal
2023-09-21 20:11:21	bonob	the only service I could see that's pulled by `graphical` is udisks2
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2023-09-21 20:16:40	bonob	to give more context, and hopefully address previous questions, which I haven't, the service takes control of the GPU fan (it's amdfan in AUR). At the moment the service unit is broken, I think the various people involved in the issue have not realized their unit is not synchronized with their systemd symlinks. It seems it stemmed from GDM taking control over the fan when using
2023-09-21 20:16:41	bonob	multi-user.target.
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2023-09-21 20:17:19	bonob	(please tell me if I'm not making sense)
2023-09-21 20:17:33	nickb	wpa_supplicant fails to connect to the wifi device, but iwlctl works just fine. What can be the root cause? Intel AX211 card
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2023-09-21 20:17:56	lb9di	reading the logs is a good place to start
2023-09-21 20:18:06	lb9di	also define "fails to connect"
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2023-09-21 20:19:02	demonicmaniac1	bonob: are you sure it's something else changing/taking over fancontrol or is it that it just starts too early before some sysfs is populated?
2023-09-21 20:19:37	ℹ 	Dotz0cat_ es conocido ahora como Dotz0cat
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2023-09-21 20:21:47	bonob	it works for many when the service is pulled by multi-user, so my assumption is that it's some desktop manager interfering later on. I'm not suffering the issue nor able to reproduce it though.
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2023-09-21 20:21:56	bonob	it works for many including me
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2023-09-21 20:22:39	mingdao	nickb: You'll get better help if you post according to this: http://www.co.kerr.tx.us/it/howtoreport.html 
2023-09-21 20:22:41	phrik	Title: FGA: Please follow the standard litany when giving a problem report. (at www.co.kerr.tx.us)
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2023-09-21 20:23:16	nickb	that doesn't help. Usual answer is "recompile iwlctl"
2023-09-21 20:23:42	mingdao	nickb: wpa_supplicant connects to whichever SSID I choose from /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf every time.
2023-09-21 20:23:48	nickb	but that doesn't seem right, as in arch installation image iwl works
2023-09-21 20:24:00	bonob	any idea why udisks2 uses wantedby = graphical rather than multi-user? (for my education)
2023-09-21 20:24:19	mingdao	nickb: wpa_supplicant works for me on many computers for years ; well over a decade, iirc
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2023-09-21 20:25:04	mingdao	nickb: Since we don't know how you tried to use wpa_supplicant, we can't tell you why you failed to connect to a SSID.
2023-09-21 20:25:17	demonicmaniac1	looking at the source it looks like it is just reading/writing to /sys/class/drm and hwmon which are likely to simply not be populated
2023-09-21 20:25:37	espresso	mingdao: fwiw, paru is similar to yay but in Rust, and morganamilo is a frequent contributor to pacman so should know what he's doing
2023-09-21 20:25:38	demonicmaniac1	the same issue is with thinkfan which also can be started before the /proc/acpi/ibm/fan are there
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2023-09-21 20:26:01	nickb	I'll come back in ~1hour with log errors
2023-09-21 20:26:08	demonicmaniac1	so the issue isn't with graphical target or de changing stuff it's just that stuff isn't populated to read from/write to
2023-09-21 20:26:43	bonob	I see demonicmaniac1, that's a perspective I hadn't considered
2023-09-21 20:26:44	mingdao	espresso: Thanks.  yay does exactly what I need, no more, no less; and, yay has also made steady improvements over time.  For instance, it now handles both repo'd and repoless (AUR) packages in one pass.
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2023-09-21 20:27:48	bonob	demonicmaniac1: any tip on how to deal with /proc being populated late?
2023-09-21 20:28:19	mingdao	nickb: Make sure you're properly using the software https://w1.fi/wpa_supplicant/
2023-09-21 20:28:21	phrik	Title: Linux WPA Supplicant (IEEE 802.1X, WPA, WPA2, RSN, IEEE 802.11i) (at w1.fi)
2023-09-21 20:28:31	espresso	mingdao: similarly paru i think, but i understand your actual question was about aurutils ;)
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2023-09-21 20:29:23	lb9di	nickb: uhm, so it works on the install image but not on the installed system? if so, pacman -Q linux-firmware
2023-09-21 20:29:28	mingdao	espresso: I did read about aurutils; too much hassle, in my book.  I just want to keep things consumed from the AUR up-to-date without hassle and it's never let me down.
2023-09-21 20:29:48	demonicmaniac1	bonob: the best solution imho would be to use udev instead of a service. udev event triggering when xy appears
2023-09-21 20:30:06	mingdao	espresso: I'm always up for learning, and glad I read about aurutils.
2023-09-21 20:30:39	bonob	I see demonicmaniac1, that does make sense.. thanks for the input again!
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2023-09-21 20:31:36	espresso	(the paru dev came from yay project, and they are similar) I shall check out aurutils though; always more to learn
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2023-09-21 20:34:22	bonob	demonicmaniac1: you have a github user you'd like me to refer to for your comment?
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2023-09-21 20:37:55	bonob	(for quoting you I mean)
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2023-09-21 20:38:41	demonicmaniac1	eh, nah. but here's a sample - just gotta match the vendor to amd instead of nvidia https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/730342/how-to-run-udev-rule-before-a-certain-module-loads
2023-09-21 20:38:59	demonicmaniac1	first one
2023-09-21 20:39:54	bonob	alrighty, thanks again demonicmaniac1!
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2023-09-21 20:41:03	bonob	https://github.com/mcgillij/amdfan/issues/27
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2023-09-21 20:41:50	demonicmaniac1	bonob: sure!
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2023-09-21 20:45:04	bonob	and indeed, it might turn out as an xyproblem in the end.. but are not all problems xyproblems somehow?
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2023-09-22 14:36:14	Nei	hi, I'm looking for archlinux + irssi users on that can test something related to a perl breakage; thanks for any help! I would love to know what the output is if you run this command: /script exec print Irssi::string_width("\x{4e00}") 
2023-09-22 14:46:27	akrawt1	mpan yeah chatgpt is often confusing :) I did try to get some code related help from it before
2023-09-22 14:49:40	akrawt1	<Namarrgon> ah, well, that's not very promising <<< did this refer to the python-telegram-bot aur package?
2023-09-22 14:50:00	Namarrgon	no, that was meant for the code calling into it
2023-09-22 15:00:11	dubiago	pacman friday y'all
2023-09-22 15:11:58	mpan	akrawt1: my point was: do not use ChatGPT (or any LLM) to generate examples. This task does not lie in the range of its capabilities. :)
2023-09-22 15:19:45	brjl	Better yet: Do not use ChatGPT at all, your brain is more than capable to be relied upon.
2023-09-22 15:25:49	jaydemir	From your experience, what's the best/most seamless way to back up and restore your whole OS? I'm currently using an EXT4 filesystem and doing rsync backups with timeshift, but I was curious if there were better alternatives. Should I have used BTRFS instead of EXT4? Does it not matter so much?
2023-09-22 15:26:12	akrawt1	yeah I understood:)
2023-09-22 15:28:14	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-22 15:35:30	mpan	brjl: that is not a good advice. Aside from using a specific vendor (ChatGPT), there is no reason to avoid LMs in the tasks they can do. Obtaining code examples for learning is just not one of them. “Your brain is more than capable” is hardly an argument: it sounds the same as “don’t use a calculator, you brain can do arithmetic too”. And, coincidently, good luck not using tools to
2023-09-22 15:35:30	mpan	find 
2023-09-22 15:35:36	mpan	information… given that you must use a search engine.
2023-09-22 15:36:31	brjl	LMs are currently abused by people too lazy to think by themselves. Humanity cannot be trusted with the toys it produces.
2023-09-22 15:38:11	brjl	LMs are being used as an alternative to search engines, so instead of actually looking for the information, people expect it to be digested and explained to them. You can see the danger in that
2023-09-22 15:38:35	mpan	jaydemir: btrfs snapshots are not proper backups. They are good for quickly rolling back *correct* changes to the file system, but they can’t deal with data corruption. So for proper backup you need an external copy. Which you can just rsync while in Arch ISO.
2023-09-22 15:38:48	mpan	Uhh… nice, they quit before receiving the answer. Why do people not wait for answers? -.-
2023-09-22 15:39:26	brjl	mpan: Either because they want immediate attention, or because they don't care enough. -Or both
2023-09-22 15:39:28	Khorne	Life moves quick
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2023-09-22 15:41:53	mpan	brjl: to me that lacks any actual semantic content, to which I could respond. Sounds to me like an response to some related concepts, by primarily expressing emotions. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2023-09-22 15:43:29	mpan	LMs are a tool just like any other and it may be used just like any other tool. Misuse of a tool is not an argument against the tool. The only thing is to warn somebody, when they use it wrong: which was the case here.
2023-09-22 15:43:29	brjl	mpan: I do not understand
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2023-09-22 15:43:41	mpan	jaydemir: btrfs snapshots are not proper backups. They are good for quickly rolling back *correct* changes to the file system, but they can’t deal with data corruption. So for proper backup you need an external copy. Which you can just rsync while in Arch ISO.
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2023-09-22 15:43:52	mpan	jaydemir: also please do not quit soon after asking a question.
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2023-09-22 15:44:47	mpan	jaydemir: for rolling back pacman updates (except later changes to configuration files), there are hooks that automate it.
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2023-09-22 15:45:19	mpan	I mean: hooks that use btrfs. And for that btrfs is fine.
2023-09-22 15:45:20	brjl	LMs are an unecessary tool made to make intelectual lazyness convenient. But I will no longer pursue this discussion, primarily because it is off-topic.
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2023-09-22 15:48:13	mpan	jelle: can you send Guimauve to ##fix-your-connection or whatever it was called?
2023-09-22 15:48:18	mpan	They are reconnecting in a loop.
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2023-09-22 15:49:03	jaydemir	mpan Thanks for the feedback. Didn't mean to quit, using Libera in a browser window while doing some work and it disconnected me >.>
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2023-09-22 15:52:20	mpan	jaydemir: also, for general-purpose backup there is <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_backup>.
2023-09-22 15:52:22	phrik	Title: System backup - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-22 15:52:31	NetSysFire	can Guimauve fix their connection pls
2023-09-22 15:52:42	mpan	NetSysFire: I already pinged jelle, as he was recently talking in #aot.
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2023-09-22 15:52:56	NetSysFire	did he tell you to just use smart filter, too?
2023-09-22 15:53:04	mpan	No
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2023-09-22 15:53:53	NetSysFire	or was that alad, hmm
2023-09-22 15:53:56	jaydemir	awesome. Rsync seems to be the way to go for my current setup then. Thanks
2023-09-22 15:55:09	mpan	jaydemir: actually, I should have linked to <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Category:Backup>. Dunno why the wiki page doesn’t list all the tools. :/
2023-09-22 15:55:11	phrik	Title: Category:Backup - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-22 15:56:23	jaydemir	sounds good I'll throw that page in my notes and play with it
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2023-09-22 15:58:22	stef204	hi, I had an account activated at https://accounts.archlinux.org/ but cannot use "pkgctl repo clone nano" for example as getting an error re. key. "git@gitlab.archlinux.org: Permission denied (publickey). fatal: Could not read from remote repository. Please make sure you have the correct access rights"
2023-09-22 15:58:24	phrik	Title: Keycloak Account Management (at accounts.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-22 16:01:30	stef204	I am not seeing in the console how to resolve this issue, my key is unknown I suppose or not setup. In the AUR, when you register, you can setup or save your public key using the interface, not seeing any way to do that at https://accounts.archlinux.org/
2023-09-22 16:01:31	phrik	Title: Keycloak Account Management (at accounts.archlinux.org)
2023-09-22 16:01:35	stef204	I must be missing something....
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2023-09-22 16:03:10	fluix	you need to do add it on https://gitlab.archlinux.org/-/profile/keys
2023-09-22 16:03:10	phrik	Title: Sign in · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2023-09-22 16:09:34	alad	NetSysFire: yes, and you still haven't implemented it
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2023-09-22 16:10:51	mpan	alad: and we refuse to. >:(
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2023-09-22 16:17:46	stef204	fluix:thanks, that works
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2023-09-22 16:18:38	stef204	one last question which I can't figure out.  I get this error (surely due to formatting): ERROR: invalid PACKAGER format 'stef204 < base64 -d c3RlZjIwNEB5YW5kZXguY29tCg== >' in my makepkg.conf
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2023-09-22 16:19:20	stef204	how do I rewrite this maintainer line with the proper quotes I guess to get around this?  The package still cloned so it is definitely not vital
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2023-09-22 16:19:41	stef204	s/maintainer/packager
2023-09-22 16:20:41	Namarrgon	PACKAGER="John Doe <john@example.com>"
2023-09-22 16:21:03	Namarrgon	imho, don't play games with your email address. if you don't want to add it then don't add it.
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2023-09-22 16:21:47	MacGyver	But if you do, at the very least read the manpage of base64.
2023-09-22 16:21:51	rcf	Spam filters tend to be good enough nowadays; I don’t bother withholding. 
2023-09-22 16:22:00	fluix	I was going to say, that command also just doesn't work
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2023-09-22 16:22:57	stef204	I must have made a mistake in the command lately, I had it working just fine for a long time.... 
2023-09-22 16:22:59	MacGyver	I actually do think this is a clever trick to prevent scrapers.
2023-09-22 16:23:13	◣	blop_ (~blop@user/blop) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2023-09-22 16:23:22	MacGyver	Personally I wouldn't use it, but then personally I'd also just make a separate e-mail address for the PKGBUILD.
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2023-09-22 16:23:39	MacGyver	stef204: base64 -d doesn't take a string.
2023-09-22 16:23:45	MacGyver	stef204: It takes a filename, or stdinput.
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2023-09-22 16:26:01	susi	but maybe just <base64@c3RlZ....==> :o
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2023-09-22 16:28:38	fluix	base64 -d takes a string on busybox
2023-09-22 16:28:56	Trel	MacGyver: You can't avoid scrapers.  You can turn paying API customers INTO scrapers, but nothing you can do avoids or reduces scrapers, only increases.
2023-09-22 16:28:57	fluix	err, not busybox
2023-09-22 16:29:24	fluix	I'm sure he knows that
2023-09-22 16:29:33	MacGyver	Iirc PKGBUILDs are basically just run through the shell, so something along the lines of PACKAGER="stef204 $(base64 -d <<EOF\nc3RlZjIwNEB5YW5kZXguY29tCg==\nEOF\n)" might work.
2023-09-22 16:29:42	MacGyver	Do replace the \ns there with *actual* newlines.
2023-09-22 16:30:05	fluix	alternatively: echo c3RlZjIwNEB5YW5kZXguY29tCg== | base64 -d -
2023-09-22 16:30:08	susi	or a here-string, with a <<<
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2023-09-22 16:46:55	jl2	no, I can't pipe it
2023-09-22 16:47:26	stef204	modifying the line in makepkg.conf like this gets rid of the error message: PACAKGER="stef204 < `echo some-input-here== | base64 -d` >"
2023-09-22 16:47:27	jl2	first makes output => second reads/recieves it
2023-09-22 16:47:40	stef204	anyway, thanks for the help.
2023-09-22 16:48:26	susi	jl2: I use mkfifo or temp files in similar situations
2023-09-22 16:48:34	susi	with i3status-rs 
2023-09-22 16:52:15	jl2	It panics when I run "command | mkfifo hello"
2023-09-22 16:52:34	bswartz	Ur doin it wrong
2023-09-22 16:53:01	jl2	and how is it correctly?
2023-09-22 16:55:50	susi	mkfifo /tmp/hello; command >/tmp/hello
2023-09-22 16:57:07	jl2	and how can I read it?
2023-09-22 16:57:24	KingShark	but he could also do 'mkfifo thisismypipe; command >thisismypipe; cat thisismypipe' or could he not?
2023-09-22 16:57:34	KingShark	does it have to go through a file?
2023-09-22 16:57:55	susi	thisismypipe is a pipe as well as /tmp/thisismypipe 
2023-09-22 16:58:14	jl2	no it's a continuous command outputing every 60
2023-09-22 16:58:16	jl2	s
2023-09-22 16:58:27	KingShark	oh i thought if you dont provide a path it would be somewhere like a variable. i guess thats my misunderstanding and then its just a file in the current folder :D
2023-09-22 16:58:32	jl2	aha
2023-09-22 16:58:57	jl2	got it! this is cool thx guys
2023-09-22 16:59:07	jl2	it's instant right?
2023-09-22 16:59:13	KingShark	yes
2023-09-22 16:59:24	jl2	great!
2023-09-22 17:00:10	jl2	but if the reader quits the pipe breaks, any way to prevent this?
2023-09-22 17:00:58	KingShark	the pipes functionality should not depend on something reading it or not (but my knowledge on pipes is limited as demonstrated above so others will likely provide a better response)
2023-09-22 17:01:29	susi	this is what shows ongoing tx/rx for me, it's using just a file, but probably should make it use a fifo pipe: https://0x0.st/HO5x.txt
2023-09-22 17:03:20	jl2	and it can't handle multiple readers, it always picks one :D
2023-09-22 17:04:25	jl2	ok other question, but still relevant: how to make rust not quit if the pipe breaks?
2023-09-22 17:05:02	KingShark	make rust confirm if the pipe exists before your action
2023-09-22 17:05:21	KingShark	wait no that wont save you from the pipe breaking while its trying to do stuff, i guess
2023-09-22 17:05:39	KingShark	i suppose rust has something like try/catch logic. maybe use that and if an error happens resume?
2023-09-22 17:05:49	susi	[[ -p "$pipe" ]]
2023-09-22 17:15:36	krumelmonster	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/78032 still hasn't been fixed in upstream and while my laptop is busy building clang I'm wondering what's the rationale behind enabling _GLIBCXX_ASSERTIONS for all arch packages anyway
2023-09-22 17:15:39	phrik	Title: FS#78032 : [clang] Usage of _GLIBCXX_ASSERTIONS makes clangd extremely unstable (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-09-22 17:17:57	krumelmonster	Could we get _GLIBCXX_ASSERTIONS disabled in the clang package for now foutrelis 
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2023-09-22 17:42:28	diep	Hi, starting an android emulator fails with hardware acceleration ON, logs -> https://b.deip.fr/p/emu-fly-cobra
2023-09-22 17:42:28	phrik	Title: MicroBin (at b.deip.fr)
2023-09-22 17:43:38	diep	But Im pretty sure hardware acceleration is configured correctly on the machine (enable in BIOS, intel cpu, intel drivers configured etc)
2023-09-22 17:45:25	diep	I use intel-media-driver and vulkan-intel
2023-09-22 17:46:26	diep	my cpu -> https://b.deip.fr/p/otter-bird-gecko
2023-09-22 17:46:26	phrik	Title: MicroBin (at b.deip.fr)
2023-09-22 17:47:10	diep	any idea what could be the problem?
2023-09-22 17:53:52	Hunker	Hi. I use Caffeine-ng with pipewire.. is there any trick that I need to do to make caffeine keep the displays alive when sound is on with pipewire?
2023-09-22 17:57:46	Hunker	or might it be the lovebonds between xscreensaver and caffeine that has troubles?
2023-09-22 18:06:50	jl2	dav1d: Offtopic: fixed it with 'writeln!(io::stdout(), "{time}").ok();' it seams to work.
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2023-09-22 18:51:43	Trel	diep: What android emulator?
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2023-09-22 19:59:29	ius	!paste
2023-09-22 19:59:29	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-09-22 19:59:59	ius	(yeah i /did/ join just to find a sane pastebin - sorry & thanks)
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2023-09-22 20:02:46	rcf	ius: you may query the bot as well. 
2023-09-22 20:03:47	ius	makes sense - afraid i'll have forgotten the next time i need it though ;)
2023-09-22 20:03:52	Mathisen	hello! so im using a aur package " aur/stable-diffusion-ui " but now there is an update but it gives me this error " ERROR: One or more files did not pass the validity check! " i never got this error before should i just wait for another update or is it safe to "fix" this
2023-09-22 20:04:07	susi	ius: you mean like 0x0.st or ix.io
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2023-09-22 20:04:11	susi	ius: or paste.rs
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2023-09-22 20:05:38	Namarrgon	Mathisen: are you using an aur-helper?
2023-09-22 20:05:48	Mathisen	yes i use yay
2023-09-22 20:06:12	Namarrgon	what about the good ol' git-clone-and-makepkg combo?
2023-09-22 20:07:31	Mathisen	i can try
2023-09-22 20:07:38	ius	susi: settled for bpaste - ix.io nor paste.rs mentions anything about expiry :(
2023-09-22 20:07:58	susi	ius: but 0x0.st mentions!
2023-09-22 20:08:00	NetSysFire	0x0.st is also nice
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2023-09-22 20:09:39	susi	ix.io pastes also do expire, and you can POST read:N or rm anyways
2023-09-22 20:10:18	NetSysFire	ix.io doesnt even support https so i dont like it
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2023-09-22 20:11:05	ius	after a year by default - and i prefer a webbased UI over curl, but ymmv :p
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2023-09-22 20:17:43	roxlu	hey, I'm trying to update an arch install but running into: `==> Creating zstd-compressed initcpio image: '/boot/initramfs-linux-fallback.img'`, the boot partition is only 100M (not sure why tbh). Does someone knows a way to work around this?
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2023-09-23 12:04:23	ilf	hey friends. after upgrading shadow, i can't login on tty1, always get "password incorrect". ssh and sudo works, though
2023-09-23 12:06:07	kode54	did you make the mistake of replacing /etc/shadow
2023-09-23 12:06:27	ilf	nope: -rw------- 1 root root 1015 Aug  1 23:08 /etc/shadow
2023-09-23 12:06:33	kode54	hmm
2023-09-23 12:09:06	ilf	okay, i changed the password via ssh, but it still fails on tty1 o_O
2023-09-23 12:12:13	ilf	and other ttys
2023-09-23 12:13:37	ilf	Sep 23 12:13:23 login[108927]: FAILED LOGIN 1 FROM tty1 FOR ilf, Authentication failure
2023-09-23 12:13:55	kode54	try running `faillock --reset` ?
2023-09-23 12:14:25	kode54	if you're logged in already
2023-09-23 12:14:36	kode54	if not, reboot
2023-09-23 12:14:52	kode54	you wouldn't believe the number of times I've typo'd my password three times in a row
2023-09-23 12:15:08	ilf	"faillock --reset" doesn't do anything
2023-09-23 12:15:17	kode54	huh
2023-09-23 12:15:30	kode54	it shouldn't have prevented you from using your existing password
2023-09-23 12:15:31	ilf	i have now failed 25+ times on tty1, while it *works* on ssh, so it's not PEBCAK
2023-09-23 12:16:14	kode54	is ssh using private key auth?
2023-09-23 12:16:28	kode54	oh
2023-09-23 12:16:31	kode54	but you said sudo works
2023-09-23 12:16:31	ilf	yes, but then passwd and sudo work with password auth
2023-09-23 12:17:05	astralc	maybe it is the keymap?
2023-09-23 12:17:16	ilf	astralc: no, tested that
2023-09-23 12:20:02	kode54	the only change to the shadow and filesystem was to change the default password hash format from SHA-512 to yescrypt
2023-09-23 12:20:17	kode54	well, filesystem applied new defaults to other things
2023-09-23 12:20:26	kode54	shadow changed the password method for new passwords
2023-09-23 12:20:36	ilf	yes, i'm not sure it's shadow, since sudo works. but it's something about/since yesterdays upgrade
2023-09-23 12:20:54	kode54	I applied the upgrade myself, and had no trouble like that
2023-09-23 12:21:00	kode54	so clearly something is bodged for you
2023-09-23 12:21:37	kode54	I mean, may as well make sure there isn't something weird, like duplicate entries in /etc/shadow
2023-09-23 12:22:00	ilf	there aren't, shadow looks fine. i'm pretty sure it's not shadow because sudo works
2023-09-23 12:22:06	kode54	yeah
2023-09-23 12:22:11	kode54	so something with PAM is bodged
2023-09-23 12:32:40	chiselfuse	System clock synchronized: no NTP service: inactive
2023-09-23 12:32:48	ilf	a reboot didn't fix it
2023-09-23 12:32:56	ilf	this is annopying
2023-09-23 12:32:58	chiselfuse	my time is off by an hour
2023-09-23 12:33:09	chiselfuse	i can't find any ntp service to start
2023-09-23 12:35:54	mkoskar	ilf: sudo -i works?
2023-09-23 12:36:42	ilf	mkoskar: yes
2023-09-23 12:36:44	mkoskar	hmm, check whether you merged /etc/shell correctly
2023-09-23 12:37:40	ilf	mkoskar: yes, i just thought about /etc/shells as well, /usr/bin/zsh was missing, that was it. thanks!
2023-09-23 12:39:45	chiselfuse	is starting   ntpd.service   supposed to do the trick?
2023-09-23 12:40:01	chiselfuse	i started it but i think the firewall is blocking ntp
2023-09-23 12:40:35	chiselfuse	how do i check when it last fetched time from a server
2023-09-23 12:43:47	mkoskar	chiselfuse: no you don't neet/want ntpd.service, just # timedatectl set-ntp true
2023-09-23 12:43:53	mkoskar	*need
2023-09-23 12:45:03	mkoskar	chiselfuse: read more here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_time
2023-09-23 12:45:04	phrik	Title: System time - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-23 12:45:46	mkoskar	or rather https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-timesyncd
2023-09-23 12:45:48	phrik	Title: systemd-timesyncd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-23 12:47:27	chiselfuse	mkoskar: okay now it's active but still not synched, but i suspect i just have a bad network provider atm because i'm not on my home network
2023-09-23 12:47:45	chiselfuse	mkoskar: how do i configure that value set-ntp to be true by default?
2023-09-23 12:50:48	chiselfuse	systemctl enable systemd-timesyncd.service?
2023-09-23 12:50:53	dviant	Hello everyone, this is not exactly about Arch linux. But I was going through the https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PDF,_PS_and_DjVu page to find a tool that can resize the physical dimensions of the pdf. For example, if I have a pdf that 13 inches wide, is it possible to use any tool to make it 10 inches so that the text would wrap around the edges to preserve the reading order? I want to resize
2023-09-23 12:50:53	dviant	the 
2023-09-23 12:50:55	phrik	Title: PDF, PS and DjVu - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-23 12:50:58	mkoskar	chiselfuse: run $ timedatectl, check whether you have timezone reported correctly
2023-09-23 12:50:59	dviant	page without making the fonts smaller.
2023-09-23 12:51:21	chiselfuse	mkoskar: i think i was correct that it's the network:   systemd-timesyncd[529973]: Timed out waiting for reply from 160.119.216.202:123 (0.arch.pool.ntp.org).
2023-09-23 12:51:29	mkoskar	chiselfuse: it, should have enabled it already
2023-09-23 12:51:40	mkoskar	hmm ye
2023-09-23 12:51:44	chiselfuse	i think it was set off for some reason
2023-09-23 12:51:46	chiselfuse	idk why
2023-09-23 12:51:56	chiselfuse	thank you ^_^
2023-09-23 12:52:34	mkoskar	you have to set timezone yourself tho, /etc/localtime should be symlink to correct timezone
2023-09-23 12:53:12	chiselfuse	it's set correctly
2023-09-23 12:53:29	chiselfuse	it worked fine all the time, idk it just stopped yesterday
2023-09-23 12:54:30	mkoskar	ah hmm, sometimes dual boot to windows can/will mess it up
2023-09-23 12:55:48	chiselfuse	oh yea
2023-09-23 12:55:53	chiselfuse	i think i tried to boot into windows
2023-09-23 12:56:16	chiselfuse	hmm, how is it possible that booting into a different OS will cause a systemd unit to become disabled?
2023-09-23 12:59:26	mkoskar	chiselfuse: it's not that, iirc windows will set RTC to your localtime so then when you boot arch again (expecting RTC to be in UTC) you get timeshift, that combined with your setup unable to sync with ntp, you had wrong time
2023-09-23 13:03:07	bud	hello arch friends!
2023-09-23 13:03:15	chiselfuse	hello
2023-09-23 13:04:21	chiselfuse	i guess now my setup is more robust with ntp enabled
2023-09-23 13:04:33	bud	i just installed audacity from the official repo and was surprised to see it was updated to latest version. very cool, big thanks to package maintainers who pulled off the update.
2023-09-23 13:04:37	chiselfuse	guess it was always disabled but i didn't boot into windows ever so i didn't need it
2023-09-23 13:05:00	chiselfuse	bud: truly amazing
2023-09-23 13:06:10	bud	i think so. or did audacity become sane and ditch their custom wxWidgets fork dependency?
2023-09-23 13:07:37	bud	sane is maybe too strong, i think i meant sober
2023-09-23 13:12:22	chiselfuse	can i get recommended a clipboard manager? i don't use DE (only a WM) and i would like something agnostic to that. i also want to be able to search clipboard history
2023-09-23 13:13:00	BrainDamage	I've used copyq with several DEs
2023-09-23 13:14:29	chiselfuse	hmm clipmenu looks nice
2023-09-23 13:15:21	chiselfuse	i wonder how it handles images though
2023-09-23 13:15:25	chiselfuse	i'll try copyq too
2023-09-23 13:15:41	susi	I'm using xsel/xclip
2023-09-23 13:17:19	susi	maybe not managers, exactly
2023-09-23 13:17:47	chiselfuse	susi: can you have history with them
2023-09-23 13:18:29	susi	I can use all three (primary, selection, clipboard), but no history, and I wouldn't want one
2023-09-23 13:19:31	chiselfuse	hmm, no images with clipmenu
2023-09-23 13:19:47	chiselfuse	susi: why not
2023-09-23 13:20:08	mingdao	chiselfuse: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Clipboard#Managers  ← some information
2023-09-23 13:20:09	phrik	Title: Clipboard - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-23 13:21:43	bud	i have installed Parcellite many times, but always forget to use it
2023-09-23 13:22:02	bud	only place i really need it is in texteditor, and there i just use sublimes built in
2023-09-23 13:22:12	mingdao	I've never even considered what a clipboard manager is, or does.  :^)
2023-09-23 13:22:42	bud	when i was on windows i used ClipJump it was amazing, and i have long thought about writing a clone of it for X
2023-09-23 13:22:49	mingdao	With ViM I have:  set clipboard=unnamedplus
2023-09-23 13:23:21	bud	it used notifications to display history, and you navigated with Ctrl+c, Ctrl+v . you spawned it with ctrl+v
2023-09-23 13:24:03	bud	and it pasted the content of the current notification when you released ctrl, or canceled with ctrl+z
2023-09-23 13:24:35	susi	mingdao: vim in Arch repo is compiled with -clipboard (so no clipboard)
2023-09-23 13:25:21	mingdao	susi: <      mingdao> I've never even considered what a clipboard manager is, or does.  :^)
2023-09-23 13:25:21	susi	or I mean, is not compiled with clipboard support, so shows as -clipboard
2023-09-23 13:25:33	mingdao	susi: Means IDK what a clipboard is, or does, anywhere.
2023-09-23 13:26:25	BrainDamage	bud: copyq has that functionality, but it's not bound to ctrlv by default
2023-09-23 13:26:39	chiselfuse	bud check out this https://github.com/cdown/clipmenu looks similar this this ClipJump
2023-09-23 13:27:25	bud	clipmenu is dmenu, which is not good for code paste imo, since multiline
2023-09-23 13:28:00	chiselfuse	bud: hmm, is it because it doesn't show all of the lines?
2023-09-23 13:28:09	chiselfuse	bud: you can make it use fzf i think
2023-09-23 13:28:45	bud	chiselfuse: yes i want to have multiline preview of pastes
2023-09-23 13:29:49	chiselfuse	i think you could script that to spawn a little xterm window and have clipmenu use fzf in it
2023-09-23 13:30:00	chiselfuse	and i think you can have multiline with fzf
2023-09-23 13:30:41	bud	yeah, but then no image previews, which clipmenu had
2023-09-23 13:32:16	bud	also i believe clipboard managers need to do some magic, to paste filepaths as expected (as text in editor, as file object in filemanager).
2023-09-23 13:32:45	bud	and everything breaks when you want to paste to a terminal, since they all do stuff differently
2023-09-23 13:33:07	bud	and stupid UNIX tripple clipboard logic
2023-09-23 13:33:58	chiselfuse	bud: then replace xterm with a newer terminal and use fzf's preview featuers with sixel/kitty protocol like this https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/32936898/195970442-1ca8db87-fcb2-469e-8578-163ea73a19ff.png
2023-09-23 13:34:48	chiselfuse	i think stuff is pretty much out there, you just need to glew a bunch of things together, i might do it when i have time
2023-09-23 13:34:51	bud	why not replace it with notify-send "stuff to preview"
2023-09-23 13:35:15	chiselfuse	good idea but would it let you pick nicely?
2023-09-23 13:35:28	chiselfuse	oh wait notify send uses dmenu
2023-09-23 13:35:33	chiselfuse	or at least i have mine do that
2023-09-23 13:35:53	chiselfuse	it lets me pick different actions
2023-09-23 13:36:02	bud	yeah if you can cycle previews. (like in clipjump, you cycled by pressing ctrl+v/c)
2023-09-23 13:36:05	chiselfuse	but of course image will be in the notification
2023-09-23 13:36:14	bud	you only saw one clip at the time
2023-09-23 13:36:18	chiselfuse	oh i see what you mean..
2023-09-23 13:36:25	bud	and 97% of the time you want the first one anyways
2023-09-23 13:37:09	chiselfuse	for now i'm working on text only
2023-09-23 13:37:35	chiselfuse	issue with clipmenu is it copies your preferred item in clipboad, i want it to actually just paste it
2023-09-23 13:37:39	chiselfuse	how can i do that
2023-09-23 13:37:55	bud	dirty way: xdotool
2023-09-23 13:38:08	bud	60% of the time it works all the time
2023-09-23 13:38:29	chiselfuse	can't xclip do it or something
2023-09-23 13:38:46	chiselfuse	do i let it send ctrl+v using xdotool?
2023-09-23 13:41:34	chiselfuse	hmm, i think this is done at WM level
2023-09-23 13:41:53	bud	if target is not a terminal it might work to send ctrl+v
2023-09-23 13:42:03	chiselfuse	yea but that is still a bit dirty
2023-09-23 13:42:10	bud	but xdotool can "type" text directly
2023-09-23 13:42:13	chiselfuse	i want w/e happens when i press ctrl+v to be done
2023-09-23 13:42:15	bud	it is very dirty
2023-09-23 13:42:46	chiselfuse	wait, i think it's not at wm level
2023-09-23 13:43:31	bud	go deeper, talk to x directly
2023-09-23 13:45:10	bud	https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/xclipboard/-/blob/master/xclipboard.c
2023-09-23 13:45:12	phrik	Title: xclipboard.c · master · xorg / app / xclipboard · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2023-09-23 13:46:27	susi	>he selection mechanism in X11 is an interclient communication mediated by the X server each time any program wishes to know the selection contents, eg. to perform a middle mouse button paste. 
2023-09-23 13:46:48	chiselfuse	there must be some clipboard manager that does this that we can just take the code from
2023-09-23 13:47:00	bud	i just pasted that
2023-09-23 13:47:20	chiselfuse	which lines lol
2023-09-23 13:47:23	bud	xclipboard.c is the "reference" clipboard manager from xorg
2023-09-23 13:48:53	chiselfuse	can i script it with dmenu...
2023-09-23 13:50:43	chiselfuse	it doesn't give you option to paste lol
2023-09-23 13:50:55	bud	 xclip-pastefile
2023-09-23 13:52:40	chiselfuse	all i get is Error: target STRING not available
2023-09-23 13:54:17	chiselfuse	all i copy is strings..
2023-09-23 13:55:37	bud	all i get is Error: another clipboard is already running
2023-09-23 13:55:58	bud	i have no other cb manager running afaik, how can i check?
2023-09-23 13:56:15	chiselfuse	pgrep -ia clip
2023-09-23 13:56:22	chiselfuse	maybe if you're lucky
2023-09-23 13:56:33	bud	unlucky
2023-09-23 13:57:42	chiselfuse	bud: are you sure xclip-pastefile would actually paste the clipboard in w/e window we have open?
2023-09-23 13:57:58	bud	no
2023-09-23 13:58:46	chiselfuse	it's part of xclip package
2023-09-23 14:04:04	susi	I'm trying to make a piece ot ouf that xclipboard.c, but I'm getting linker errors :(
2023-09-23 14:05:03	chiselfuse	susi: piece what?
2023-09-23 14:05:21	chiselfuse	susi: have you tried running it? it doesn't have anything to paste in an active window
2023-09-23 14:05:22	susi	binary to run
2023-09-23 14:05:42	bud	susi are you using the automake
2023-09-23 14:06:28	chiselfuse	susi: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/xorg-xclipboard/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads just do this?
2023-09-23 14:06:29	susi	no
2023-09-23 14:06:30	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / xorg-xclipboard · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-09-23 14:07:37	chiselfuse	if anyone knows of any clipboard manager that can just paste in active windows without emulating ctrl+v or anything i want to take code from that
2023-09-23 14:09:01	bud	https://www.uninformativ.de/blog/postings/2017-04-02/0/POSTING-en.html
2023-09-23 14:09:02	phrik	Title: X11: How does “the” clipboard work? (at www.uninformativ.de)
2023-09-23 14:09:16	bud	^ was referenced on wiki for clipboard managers
2023-09-23 14:11:33	chiselfuse	nah i'm too lazy for that
2023-09-23 14:11:37	chiselfuse	i know that it's a mess
2023-09-23 14:11:43	chiselfuse	i just want working code
2023-09-23 14:13:15	susi	what more's needed than -lX11 -L/usr/include/X11 
2023-09-23 14:13:56	chiselfuse	susi: did you run ./configure?
2023-09-23 14:14:06	chiselfuse	susi: depends=('libxaw' 'libxmu' 'libxt' 'libx11')
2023-09-23 14:14:15	susi	I want to run just gcc
2023-09-23 14:14:21	bud	also note build dependencies
2023-09-23 14:14:38	bud	https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/xclipboard/-/blob/master/configure.ac <- use autoconf susi
2023-09-23 14:14:41	phrik	Title: configure.ac · master · xorg / app / xclipboard · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2023-09-23 14:15:07	chiselfuse	susi: `strace -ff make install 2>&1 | grep execve | grep gcc`
2023-09-23 14:15:13	chiselfuse	assuming you set gcc as your compiler there
2023-09-23 14:15:22	chiselfuse	or idk, 'cc'
2023-09-23 14:18:36	bud	susi: sudo pacman -S xorg-util-macros ; git clone https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/xclipboard.git ; cd xclipboard ; ./autogen.sh ; ./configure ; make
2023-09-23 14:18:38	phrik	Title: xorg / app / xclipboard · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2023-09-23 14:19:45	bud	but i get the another clipboard is already running error. i think it is because i have xfsettingsd running..
2023-09-23 14:20:34	bud	https://0x0.st/HVr1.png Victory! but i lost my gtk theme :(
2023-09-23 14:22:28	susi	you're not using Firefox
2023-09-23 14:22:49	bud	that is true
2023-09-23 14:23:50	chiselfuse	bud: what's your plan now
2023-09-23 14:23:56	chiselfuse	after you got it to work
2023-09-23 14:24:11	bud	rm -rf xclipboard
2023-09-23 14:24:41	bud	it is convince you to build a perfect clone of of clipmenu
2023-09-23 14:24:44	chiselfuse	oh i thought you planned to further our purpose
2023-09-23 14:24:59	bud	yeah, maybe i should
2023-09-23 14:25:15	chiselfuse	bud: how would xclipboard make me convinced
2023-09-23 14:25:46	chiselfuse	btw i just realized emulating ctrl+v works ass for terminals...
2023-09-23 14:26:02	bud	yes
2023-09-23 14:26:04	chiselfuse	i need to run xdotool to check if it's alacritty and emit ctrl shift v then
2023-09-23 14:26:06	chiselfuse	but w/e
2023-09-23 14:28:28	chiselfuse	heh, made it work nicely
2023-09-23 14:28:44	chiselfuse	won't work on full image thing now though
2023-09-23 14:28:59	susi	why do you need clipboard history? I never even thought about having such
2023-09-23 14:29:23	chiselfuse	try it, it might suit your workflow
2023-09-23 14:29:24	susi	if something's important, any clipboard history ain't the right place to store it
2023-09-23 14:29:49	chiselfuse	maybe i copied something a few days ago that i can quickly fzf
2023-09-23 14:29:57	chiselfuse	instead of going looking
2023-09-23 14:30:28	bud	it is "useful" for programming or textediting, you can tempstore things by cutting it, or sometimes it is useful just to preview clipboard history to see what you did kind of. inb4 git
2023-09-23 14:31:50	chiselfuse	it is useful in general, what i copied a link a few hours ago, i don't have to go looking for it again
2023-09-23 14:32:03	chiselfuse	s/what i/what if/
2023-09-23 14:33:46	susi	would be pretty easy to achieve with xclip anyways
2023-09-23 14:33:46	chiselfuse	i have to make it also detect if clipboard has image + pasting in irc window -> post image to 0x0.st and paste link instead
2023-09-23 14:33:59	chiselfuse	susi: true
2023-09-23 14:34:09	chiselfuse	hmm
2023-09-23 14:34:20	bud	chiselfuse: what wm
2023-09-23 14:34:33	chiselfuse	bud: what "what wm"?
2023-09-23 14:34:38	chiselfuse	you're asking me what window manager i use?
2023-09-23 14:34:40	chiselfuse	dwm
2023-09-23 14:34:48	bud	that is what i asked
2023-09-23 14:34:52	bud	thanks
2023-09-23 14:34:52	chiselfuse	although thinking of trying awesome
2023-09-23 14:35:01	bud	i use i3wm btw
2023-09-23 14:35:08	chiselfuse	i use arch btw
2023-09-23 14:35:30	Luckyman8762	i drive bmw i3
2023-09-23 14:36:08	chiselfuse	susi: heh, i think clipmenu does basically that
2023-09-23 14:36:18	chiselfuse	susi: it's all shell script
2023-09-23 14:37:07	chiselfuse	actually it uses xsel
2023-09-23 14:37:09	chiselfuse	similar..
2023-09-23 14:53:39	whoami	hi, qq... how many ints/csw is too many? i mean... i understand the answer is something like "when it degrades performance" but i am trying to track down performance related issues
2023-09-23 14:53:42	whoami	https://gist.github.com/JohnMaguire/f7bd3eaefeedf11bedf28822b5a1aaf0
2023-09-23 14:58:55	susi	I don't know, but I'm not having any issues and this is what I get: https://0x0.st/HVr6.txt
2023-09-23 15:00:07	susi	you seem to have lot of action going on anyways
2023-09-23 15:03:06	whoami	yeah... the server is definitely busy, just not sure how to tell if it's "too" busy
2023-09-23 15:03:18	whoami	or if there's some kind of tuning / issue i can fix
2023-09-23 15:08:02	susi	does it have many users besides you?
2023-09-23 15:13:25	whoami	susi: no, just me, but many processes running on it
2023-09-23 15:15:55	susi	there seems to be writes and reads all the time, and it's seldom idling
2023-09-23 15:16:09	susi	is it constantly serving a bigger populace?
2023-09-23 15:19:06	susi	well, it's interesting that now that I did it, those ints and cx switches have multiplied for no apparent reason: https://0x0.st/HVrd.txt
2023-09-23 15:20:52	whoami	susi: i am currently downloading large files from many peers. i expect this is contributing to the ints/csws
2023-09-23 15:20:59	whoami	there are other programs running tasks on the machine as well
2023-09-23 15:21:06	susi	whoami: maybe not the best time to compare them, then?
2023-09-23 15:21:13	whoami	i am trying to figure out two problems, primarily: (1) laggy cli at times, (2) slow download speeds
2023-09-23 15:21:17	whoami	i mean, this is what i'm trying to solve...
2023-09-23 15:21:39	whoami	so my download speeds are capped at 20 MB/s even though i have a zraid 3 with 7200 rpm disks, and a 500 Mbps pipe
2023-09-23 15:22:34	whoami	according to the spec sheet for my drives... Max. Sustained Transfer Rate OD (MB/s,MiB/s): 270/258
2023-09-23 15:23:39	susi	500 Mbps is about 62,5 MB/s, maybe there's traffic 
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2023-09-23 15:27:20	whoami	susi: other traffic on my net you mean?
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2023-09-23 15:27:46	whoami	and indeed, i'm at about a third of the speeds i should be seeing
2023-09-23 15:27:51	whoami	it looks pretty much hard throttled at 20 MB/s
2023-09-23 15:27:59	whoami	i am sitting around 18, spiking to 20, never going past it
2023-09-23 15:28:09	whoami	(no, the client is not throttled)
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2023-09-23 15:28:27	whoami	looking at my router, total network speed is 193 Mbps down
2023-09-23 15:29:43	whoami	so, for fun, i went and ran a speed test in the browser and it could only muster 809 kbps... i am thinking my isp is throttling me
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2023-09-23 16:56:07	lb9di	or you are on wifi
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2023-09-23 17:46:00	gehidore	speed tests are a joke anyways
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2023-09-23 18:04:20	noumenon	topcat001: for the record, I replaced the whole bunch of flags listed in the wiki and that I had gotten from elsewhere (so many flags) with just --enable-features=VaapiVideoDecodeLinuxGL, and now it works in Chromium (and according to the people on the forum the leak that had been making it unstable previously has been fixed)
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2023-09-23 18:04:39	noumenon	I guess that's no guarantee that it won't break or become unstable again in the future, but it's nice to have it working
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2023-09-23 18:06:56	susi	any ideas what could be the cause for Xorg suddenly taking pretty much CPU?
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2023-09-23 19:01:28	carbolymer	how can I troubleshoot sudden reboots? all I see in the journal `-- Boot 15e0b48e86e64c7bbc239d92ef7dd2b4 --` and pulseaudio starts screeching before reboot
2023-09-23 19:01:47	carbolymer	s/reboots/crashes/
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2023-09-23 19:26:19	Namarrgon	does it reboot automatically?
2023-09-23 19:29:07	mingdao	carbolymer: Did you look at the end of `journalctl -b -1` after it was back and you logged in?
2023-09-23 19:29:25	carbolymer	Namarrgon: yes
2023-09-23 19:29:54	carbolymer	mingdao: I've looked at 30mins before reboot - that should be the same shouldn't it?
2023-09-23 19:31:16	mingdao	carbolymer: `journalctl -b -1` will be messages from the previous boot.
2023-09-23 19:31:32	mingdao	"30mins before reboot" is so ambiguous.
2023-09-23 19:32:16	carbolymer	mingdao: crash at 18:50, I've gone through logs using `journalctl -S 18:30`
2023-09-23 19:32:36	mingdao	Issue `journalctl -b -1` and then press shift+g to go to the end, then up and issue PgUp to see more.
2023-09-23 19:32:55	carbolymer	Why that would be different 
2023-09-23 19:33:26	mingdao	If you do it you will see.  Use precision rather than random guesswork.
2023-09-23 19:36:21	mingdao	carbolymer: After you issue `journalctl -b -1` and press shift+g to get to the end of the log and PgUp you might come to something glaring like https://imgur.com/6FHW99n.png
2023-09-23 19:36:38	mingdao	carbolymer: At the very least you should be able to read what caused the reboot.
2023-09-23 19:38:14	mingdao	In my last `journalctl -b -1` output:   Sep 21 08:18:32 workstation systemd[1]: Received SIGINT.
2023-09-23 19:41:38	mingdao	carbolymer: If you issue ` journalctl -b -1|curl -n -F 'f:1=<-' http://ix.io` and post the URL, someone here might look at it with you.
2023-09-23 20:01:23	susi	iltapu
2023-09-23 20:14:57	fltrz	on the arch wiki the search term "ARM" and its page simply redirect to code of conduct: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1&search=ARM
2023-09-23 20:15:01	phrik	Title: Search results for "ARM" - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-23 20:15:20	fltrz	capitalized ARM never appears in the code of conduct
2023-09-23 20:15:56	fltrz	oh I see
2023-09-23 20:32:40	semeion	can i put my custom pacman config/mods in /etc/padman.d/pacman.conf path to permit future /etc/pacman.conf.pacnew to be added automatically?
2023-09-23 21:34:05	lb9di	if you ever touch pacman.conf you will get a .pacnew on the next update to it
2023-09-23 21:34:27	lb9di	if you don't change it you won't get a .pacnew
2023-09-23 21:35:11	thurstylark	but also if you don't modify pacman.conf, you can't include any other configs
2023-09-23 21:35:19	lb9di	indeed
2023-09-23 21:36:41	mkoskar	btw semeion left already
2023-09-23 21:37:47	thurstylark	I mean, don't leave a question hanging anyways
2023-09-23 21:37:52	thurstylark	!xkcd 979
2023-09-23 21:37:55	phrik	thurstylark: No results found.
2023-09-23 21:38:01	thurstylark	oh come on, phrik
2023-09-23 21:38:05	thurstylark	https://xkcd.com/979/
2023-09-23 21:38:07	phrik	Title: xkcd: Wisdom of the Ancients (at xkcd.com)
2023-09-23 21:39:54	mkoskar	:)
2023-09-23 23:11:44	sorcus	Hi.
2023-09-23 23:13:15	NetSysFire	!welcomerpg
2023-09-23 23:13:17	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how many .pacnew files you ignored.
2023-09-23 23:14:18	sorcus	Saw the news about the migration to yescrypt (https://archlinux.org/news/changes-to-default-password-hashing-algorithm-and-umask-settings/). Is there an option to sponsor the addition of argon2id to libxcrypt and pam to migrate straight to it? And how much would it cost?
2023-09-23 23:15:28	jacki	r u talking of corruption ?
2023-09-23 23:15:32	NetSysFire	its not about cost, its about time and effort. so yes you can generally help, but this needs to be discussed with the devs first
2023-09-23 23:15:42	NetSysFire	jacki: devs are notoriously susceptible to taco donations
2023-09-23 23:16:13	NetSysFire	sorcus: i think in your case you will need to consort with the libxcrypt and pam folks directly
2023-09-23 23:16:20	jacki	...im not happy to hear that
2023-09-23 23:16:50	NetSysFire	you are just jealous of the tacos
2023-09-23 23:17:23	sorcus	jacki: It depends on which side you look at it.
2023-09-23 23:18:15	NetSysFire	"heres some money so you can implement a wanted feature" isnt even a bribe
2023-09-23 23:18:36	Namarrgon	sorcus: you'd best talk to upstream, arch is unlikely to carry these patches
2023-09-23 23:18:41	jacki	no, seriously, I already dont sleep well at night thinking about the google logo on the kernel.org home page...
2023-09-23 23:19:02	NetSysFire	dude chill, the kernel is open and many people review changes
2023-09-23 23:19:36	jacki	yeah...
2023-09-23 23:19:51	NetSysFire	sure google primarily uses their manpower to develop features they benefit from but it doesnt mean you need to be paranoid of backdoors or something
2023-09-23 23:20:20	sorcus	NetSysFire: If they agree, will the Archlinux developers do another migration (yescrypt -> argon2id) or wait for the changes to be made?
2023-09-23 23:20:39	novns	jacki, you can put your logo on the kernel.org too
2023-09-23 23:20:44	Namarrgon	sorcus: arch will probably ship whatever is the default
2023-09-23 23:21:00	novns	give them a lot of your money as a sponsor
2023-09-23 23:21:04	jacki	why shouldnt I be paranoid ? a backdoor can be hidden well
2023-09-23 23:22:19	novns	jacki, because there's no use in it
2023-09-23 23:23:07	sorcus	Namarrgon: Oh, I thought it was the Arch Linux developers' decision to switch to yescrypt...
2023-09-23 23:25:17	jacki	why do u want yescrypt so badly ?
2023-09-23 23:27:47	sorcus	jacki: I didn't say I need yescrypt.
2023-09-23 23:28:41	Namarrgon	sorcus: it was this time since the default is DES, but that doesn't mean that they will instantly switch to argon as soon as it's available
2023-09-23 23:29:33	sorcus	jacki: Just saw in the news that argon2 won't get used due to lack of needed functionality, so thought about sponsoring this.
2023-09-23 23:35:15	jacki	is there George Rawlinson ?
2023-09-23 23:36:01	NetSysFire	grawlinson, yes
2023-09-23 23:36:12	NetSysFire	isnt in there anymore though
2023-09-23 23:37:03	jacki	ok
2023-09-23 23:37:23	jacki	i had a question about opensnitch
2023-09-23 23:38:05	jacki	i ask anyway
2023-09-23 23:38:50	jacki	does opensnitch package installs the ebpf kernel module ?
2023-09-23 23:39:26	Namarrgon	pacman -Ql <pkg>
2023-09-23 23:40:00	Namarrgon	there's no reason to disturb maintainers for newbie questions
2023-09-23 23:41:09	jacki	right... whats the path of modules ?
2023-09-23 23:41:26	Namarrgon	pacman -Ql linux
2023-09-23 23:42:51	jacki	pacman -Ql thanks
2023-09-23 23:43:40	gaku	doing a pkgfile -rs ebpf gave me https://0x0.st/HV-j.txt which is probably not THAT useful
2023-09-23 23:44:32	jacki	seems that it doesnt install the module
2023-09-23 23:54:12	jacki	do arch have a package for ebpf ?
2023-09-23 23:54:23	jacki	pacman -Ss ebpf
2023-09-23 23:55:07	Namarrgon	it's part of the kernel tree
2023-09-23 23:55:08	heat	i'm pretty sure eBPF is built in?
2023-09-23 23:55:25	heat	i don't think it's even moduleable
2023-09-23 23:55:39	jacki	hmmm
2023-09-23 23:55:58	Namarrgon	you're looking at outdated documentation
2023-09-23 23:56:30	jacki	ok ill try it with opensnitch
2023-09-24 00:03:18	jacki	sorcus
2023-09-24 00:04:47	jacki	they are now using yescrypt !
2023-09-24 00:04:54	jacki	that was fast
2023-09-24 00:10:24	jacki	these devs are a lot susceptible...
2023-09-24 01:00:07	laird	* Although the winner of the Password Hashing Competition has been argon2, this algorithm is not yet available in libxcrypt.
2023-09-24 01:42:27	crosstide	Does SDDM set environment variables or something? When I log in using SDDM the fonts that GTK apps like Firefox are different.
2023-09-24 03:01:24	sorcus	jackie: Wow. Really fast.
2023-09-24 05:04:12	tijko	I've been using DWM with SLiM
2023-09-24 05:04:28	tijko	Any thoughts on emptty?
2023-09-24 05:06:24	tijko	wish me luck -- or at least wish me not to have to drop to a rescue shell
2023-09-24 06:33:30	tijko	It wasn't too bad but I had to drop to another virtual terminal
2023-09-24 06:34:11	tijko	The directions aren't clear but its a small Go program and isn't bad to pick through to figure out whats needed.
2023-09-24 07:10:24	tijko	hello?
2023-09-24 07:14:46	gehidore	!hello
2023-09-24 07:14:48	phrik	hello? http://i.imgur.com/8pwTF.gif
2023-09-24 07:16:43	tijko	gehidore you are a longtime vet
2023-09-24 07:28:25	rcf	tijko: it's certainly an improvement over slim 
2023-09-24 07:36:45	low-key	trying to setup fcitx5 and followed the wiki
2023-09-24 07:37:12	low-key	also installed fcitx5-configtool but whenever I run fcitx5-configtool, I get the following error:
2023-09-24 07:37:21	low-key	qt.qpa.plugin: Could not find the Qt platform plugin "wayland" in ""
2023-09-24 07:37:35	low-key	This application failed to start because no Qt platform plugin could be initialized. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem.
2023-09-24 07:37:35	low-key	Available platform plugins are: eglfs, linuxfb, minimal, minimalegl, offscreen, vnc, xcb.
2023-09-24 07:37:41	low-key	[1]    14301 IOT instruction (core dumped)  fcitx5-configtool
2023-09-24 07:38:08	low-key	i do have QT_QPA_PLATFORM set to wayland in my .zshenv and did logout and log back in
2023-09-24 07:38:17	low-key	echo $QT_QPA_PLATFORM returns "wayland"
2023-09-24 07:38:42	low-key	could someone help me figure out what i might be missing?
2023-09-24 07:38:51	sheep	what do you get from printenv WAYLAND_DISPLAY?
2023-09-24 07:39:01	low-key	i have qt5 and qt6 installed
2023-09-24 07:39:14	low-key	wayland-1
2023-09-24 07:39:25	low-key	is what i get from printenv WAYLAND_DISPLAY
2023-09-24 07:39:26	Trel	is it just set or exported?
2023-09-24 07:39:37	sheep	strange
2023-09-24 07:39:50	Trel	for the qt_qpa one
2023-09-24 07:40:02	sheep	is qt6-wayland installed?
2023-09-24 07:40:04	low-key	my bad, exported. I have export QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland in my .zshenv
2023-09-24 07:40:11	sheep	also qt5-wayland
2023-09-24 07:40:31	low-key	oh my, it wasn't!
2023-09-24 07:40:35	low-key	installing now and trying again!
2023-09-24 07:40:43	low-key	instantly did it!
2023-09-24 07:40:47	low-key	thanks a lot people! :D
2023-09-24 07:40:57	low-key	i assumed it would just get pulled in as a dependency 
2023-09-24 07:41:04	low-key	my bad
2023-09-24 07:41:20	Trel	probably optional dep since it supports multiple
2023-09-24 07:41:24	sheep	it's probably optional for some reason
2023-09-24 07:42:04	Trel	Since it listed a bunch of available platform plugins
2023-09-24 08:07:56	archetech	smbtree -N
2023-09-24 08:07:56	archetech	===============================================================
2023-09-24 08:07:56	archetech	INTERNAL ERROR: Signal 11: Segmentation fault in smbtree () () pid 2158 (4.19.0)
2023-09-24 08:07:56	archetech	If you are running a recent Samba version, and if you think this problem is not yet fixed in the latest versions, please consider reporting this bug,
2023-09-24 08:08:02	archetech	nice
2023-09-24 08:46:05	ryzenda	Port 1716 (xmsg), I tested logging into a bunch of desktop environments and all of them open port 1716 (and no other ports 1-65535) including Budgie Desktop, Cinnamon, Cutefish Desktop, deepin, GNOME Classic, GNOME Flashback (Metacity), GNOME, LXDE, LXQt, MATE, KDE/Openbox, Openbox, Plasma (X11), and Xfce
2023-09-24 08:46:29	ryzenda	Only Enlightenment, i3, Kodi do not open any ports, including not 1716/tcp
2023-09-24 08:51:18	onr	https://www.google.com/search?q=port+1716+xmsg
2023-09-24 08:51:26	onr	do you have kdeconnect installed?
2023-09-24 08:51:28	ryzenda	haha, I'm searching at search.brave.com
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2023-09-24 08:52:27	archetech	nothing "opens" ports
2023-09-24 08:52:33	ryzenda	onr, yes it's installed, but I didn't check to see if kdeconnect was running for all those desktop environment sessions. I will check now, but I suspect/think maybe there might be other apps besides just kdeconnect that open port 1716 for similar purposes, but I will check and see now.
2023-09-24 08:53:01	ryzenda	archetech, I mean listens for incoming connections, so `nmap -p 1-65535` shows it as open
2023-09-24 08:53:24	archetech	open where?
2023-09-24 08:53:41	onr	kdeconnect installs /etc/xdg/autostart/org.kde.kdeconnect.daemon.desktop, so it might be that enlightenment and i3 doesn't autostart it, while others do
2023-09-24 08:53:41	ryzenda	from my scanning, on the same lan, at least
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2023-09-24 08:55:08	archetech	my pc and router have fwalls  nothin opens a port unless I do it manually
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2023-09-24 09:04:12	ryzenda	onr, aha! interesting! /usr/lib/kdeconnectd is running when logged in to: Budgie Desktop, Cinnamon, Cutefish Desktop, deepin, GNOME Classic, GNOME Flashback (Metacity), GNOME, LXDE, LXQt, MATE, KDE/Openbox, Openbox, Plasma (X11), and Xfce
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2023-09-24 09:04:30	ryzenda	I didn't think that all of the different desktop environments would use the same application as a dependency, and I thought xmsg port 1716/tcp was some kind of api standard that many softwares, not just one, utilized
2023-09-24 09:05:10	ryzenda	so I'll have to learn what kdeconnect is I guess
2023-09-24 09:05:21	rcf	They wouldn't; it's probably a systemd user service that's automatically enabled on install (as more and more seem to be) 
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2023-09-24 09:08:09	rcf	Oh, it's an autostart desktop file thing 
2023-09-24 09:08:32	rcf	Still, same idea. It's not that any other DE than KDE is specifying it. They're just doing what has been configured by the installation of KDE. 
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2023-09-24 09:13:38	onr	ryzenda: they (desktop environments) don't depend on kdeconnect. you have kdeconnect installed, it comes with a desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart. they just run all those desktop files as part of starting up.
2023-09-24 09:15:08	ryzenda	I don't really use KDE things, but I'm setting up laptop I bought for the mom and anyway, learning about kde connect, I also see https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.kde.kdeconnect_tp and https://apps.apple.com/us/app/kde-connect/id1580245991
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2023-09-24 09:18:04	ryzenda	onr, thanks. So I guess that means that by defalt Enlightenment, i3 and Kodi don't use that for starting up apps on login
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2023-09-24 09:19:44	ryzenda	This seems like a lot of things to autostart, and that all the different desktop environments start all of them? https://0x0.st/HVH0.txt
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2023-09-24 09:20:50	ryzenda	ah, OnlyShowIn=.....
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2023-09-24 09:21:01	onr	yeah depending on that setting
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2023-09-24 09:23:22	onr	i don't know maybe on more. spec is here: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html
2023-09-24 09:23:24	phrik	Title: Desktop Entry Specification (at specifications.freedesktop.org)
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2023-09-24 09:52:27	kode54	cool
2023-09-24 09:52:45	kode54	I managed to crash XWayland by invoking a video mode change from a PRIME hosted Proton game
2023-09-24 09:53:14	kode54	apparently someone isn't notifying someone else of the buffer size change
2023-09-24 09:54:35	lb9di	games likes to bypass xorg
2023-09-24 09:55:04	lb9di	but with proton that shouldn't be the issue
2023-09-24 09:55:59	kode54	it's PRIME, so someone in Mesa or the kernel is handling routing a video stream from one GPU to the other
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2023-09-24 10:28:26	nya_1F616EMO	Build log: https://paste.rs/4t5Rq.txt
2023-09-24 10:28:28	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-09-24 10:32:03	Inst	I can't get information through dmesg because that only provides information from system initialization
2023-09-24 10:32:55	rcf	Inst: journlactl -b -1 
2023-09-24 10:33:11	nya_1F616EMO	About my problem: It was because of some damn out of sync mirror not syncing jre 21, hence tricking my mind
2023-09-24 10:34:00	Inst	ended up journalctl -b -1
2023-09-24 10:34:07	Inst	erm, journalctl >> foo.txt
2023-09-24 10:34:10	Inst	and will be nviming through it
2023-09-24 10:34:50	rcf	Inst: it might not work -- probably not, even, because in a proper panic the cached IO is never flushed to disk -- but it's worth a shot before suggesting something more extreme like a serial console 
2023-09-24 10:35:00	rcf	(which, in the worst case, is really what you have to do) 
2023-09-24 10:36:08	rcf	nya_1F616EMO: in general, always check the official package pages and the mirror status when encountering problems like this. 
2023-09-24 10:36:13	Inst	ehhh, i mean, the machine is usable, arch is more for learning linux
2023-09-24 10:36:31	Inst	i'd rather do nix long-term, but ehhh, skill requirement for nix is obscenely high if you don't want to be locked into flakes etc
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2023-09-24 10:54:21	NetSysFire	so my laptop ran out of battery at night and when i try to boot it again the firmware says nah no bootable devices found. i am currently in the archiso and i am fairly sure the sbupdate (not sbctl, its an older installation) hook messed up somehow
2023-09-24 10:55:16	NetSysFire	said hook generates a bootable efi stub but my bios only says its not bootable and not why and i have issues getting the hook to re-run on the archiso
2023-09-24 10:57:04	rcf	NetSysFire: my first action would be to disable secure boot and see what happens, but seeing how it fails would be useful as well. 
2023-09-24 10:59:20	NetSysFire	already did and its not a secure boot error
2023-09-24 10:59:34	NetSysFire	the issue is that for whatever reason the efi stub is faulty
2023-09-24 11:00:34	rcf	What is the output of the failed hook? Or I guess pacman -S YOUR_KERNEL when you try to run it from the chroot 
2023-09-24 11:01:07	NetSysFire	the hook hangs. there is no output.
2023-09-24 11:01:16	rcf	That’s not great
2023-09-24 11:01:20	NetSysFire	yup
2023-09-24 11:01:35	NetSysFire	the hook runs sbupdate -k and i did that manually. i have issues reinstalling linux-lts, likely because of chroot shenanigans
2023-09-24 11:02:38	Inst	thanks for the help and teaching me journalctl
2023-09-24 11:02:48	Inst	WITH options, it still takes a while to execute
2023-09-24 11:03:01	rcf	Inst: that may be useful. 
2023-09-24 11:03:07	Inst	looks like there's no data, and I have other things to attend to (namely, tring to get past Haskell in Depth's stockquotes example)
2023-09-24 11:04:25	rcf	Inst: that's fine, the next time it happens you'll have a better idea of where to look. 
2023-09-24 11:04:34	NetSysFire	i think i should try just using systemd boot to get my system running again and then figure out next steps since the archiso is not ideal. maybe i should just switch to sbctl already
2023-09-24 11:05:00	NetSysFire	also damn you jelle for making this mario sound beep when booting the archiso. its LOUD
2023-09-24 11:05:12	jelle	NetSysFire: I did not!
2023-09-24 11:05:16	jelle	slander!
2023-09-24 11:05:28	rcf	NetSysFire: I'd strongly recommend sbctl. Not only can you harass the developer here on IRC directly, I haven't had the need to because it Just Works™. 
2023-09-24 11:05:56	jelle	rcf: I think NetSysFire already bricked his mobo
2023-09-24 11:05:58	NetSysFire	yeah i set this up before sbctl existed and it worked. until now.
2023-09-24 11:06:06	Inst	I think I know the system eccentricity.
2023-09-24 11:06:11	NetSysFire	jelle: this is a known good secure boot device. it will work
2023-09-24 11:06:15	Inst	This machine is unstable, like, there's probably damage to the CPU and its iGPU
2023-09-24 11:06:34	Inst	the iGPU starts acting up under some circumstances, on Windows, it's possible to recover, on Linux, it's probably a kernel panic.
2023-09-24 11:06:48	NetSysFire	jelle: it seemed something like you would do, so i accused you!
2023-09-24 11:07:09	rcf	Inst: look into machine check exceptions if you're suspecting broken CPUs. 
2023-09-24 11:07:13	⚡ 	jelle steals some brotchen from NetSysFire
2023-09-24 11:07:38	rcf	Inst: but yeah I had horrible stability problems with my old intel igpu 
2023-09-24 11:08:24	NetSysFire	even with loadkeys de-latin1 i cant seem to input umlauts. does this show correctly? it shows as "??" for me in weechat. ??
2023-09-24 11:08:46	rcf	?? here as well 
2023-09-24 11:09:03	rcf	The framebuffer console and unicode... don't really work well together. 
2023-09-24 11:09:49	NetSysFire	yeah good thing i dont need those except to taunt jelle
2023-09-24 11:10:28	rcf	NetSysFire: ¿büt döës thïs wörk? 
2023-09-24 11:10:40	jelle	:-)
2023-09-24 11:11:18	jelle	NetSysFire: don't make me book an ICE to dig for some browncoal next to your appartment!
2023-09-24 11:11:38	NetSysFire	well, i live in Essen and coal mining was BIG here
2023-09-24 11:11:47	NetSysFire	guess i'll reboot instead of slack off here. lets hope i will return quickly
2023-09-24 11:12:00	jelle	NetSysFire got the referrence :)
2023-09-24 11:12:25	rcf	NetSysFire: I'd probably disable sbupdate hook than try to use systemd-boot alone 
2023-09-24 11:12:48	rcf	NetSysFire: if it's an invalid UEFI binary systemd-boot will fail just as hard. 
2023-09-24 11:13:49	NetSysFire	no its different
2023-09-24 11:13:55	NetSysFire	and as you can see i am back and it booted
2023-09-24 11:13:59	rcf	hmm
2023-09-24 11:14:17	NetSysFire	rcf: sbupdate makes an efi stub. systemd-boot uses the vmlinuz and initramfs. the efi stub is in the efi boot order thingy only
2023-09-24 11:14:32	rcf	Oh
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2023-09-24 11:30:55	NetSysFire	ah cool
2023-09-24 11:34:22	thz	I'm trying to get a rpi CM4 with emmc booting. I picked ArchLinuxARM-rpi-aarch64-latest.tar.gz, created a FAT partition for /boot and got a kernel running after renaming `bcm2711-rpi-cm4-io.dtb` to `bcm2711-rpi-cm4.dtb`. Kernel does not see any storage though and is complaining that it cannot initialize mmc1. I'm using a turing2 as the board for the CM4, am I missing kernel config options, or a
2023-09-24 11:34:22	thz	different 
2023-09-24 11:34:28	thz	dtb? Any help appreciated.
2023-09-24 11:35:24	rcf	!alarm
2023-09-24 11:35:25	phrik	If you're here because of an issue with your Raspberry Pi or other ARM device, join #archlinuxarm
2023-09-24 11:35:32	thz	thanks!
2023-09-24 11:35:55	rcf	Of all the differences between the two, the boot process is the most significant. 
2023-09-24 11:36:08	thz	Could even be some config in the bootloader I thought
2023-09-24 11:39:39	rcf	They are quite distinct, for most ARM platforms. 
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2023-09-24 11:49:29	enoq	I've got a ton of DnD/Pathfinder maps that I'd like to manage in a better way
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2023-09-24 12:16:17	ryzenda	Audacity doesn't seem to capture any audio from any of the recording devices on a Dell Alienware M18 R1 AMD laptop with "dual-array microphones" https://dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/alienware-m18-gaming-laptop/spd/alienware-m18-r1-amd-laptop
2023-09-24 12:16:19	phrik	Title: Alienware m18 Gaming Laptop – Laptop Computers | Dell USA (at dell.com)
2023-09-24 12:21:01	rcf	ryzenda: what, if any, sound server are you running 
2023-09-24 12:21:07	rcf	Pulse, pipewire, etc. 
2023-09-24 12:23:17	NetSysFire	the audacity of that question
2023-09-24 12:23:21	⚡ 	NetSysFire ducks
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2023-09-24 13:04:10	ariadnavigo	NetSysFire: -_-
2023-09-24 13:14:04	lb9di	ryzenda: known problem
2023-09-24 13:15:55	lb9di	ryzenda: next time: don't buy alienware
2023-09-24 13:16:45	lb9di	ryzenda: do you have /sys/class/sound/ctl-led/mic/mode?
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2023-09-24 13:37:34	cfoch	Hello. I get this error "error: failed retrieving file 'core.db'" on Arch Linux.
2023-09-24 13:37:50	cfoch	I haven't used my distro since 2021. How can I refresh mirrors?
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2023-09-24 13:39:55	KingShark	cfoch, i guess sudo pacman-mirrors -f5 && sudo pacman -Syyu
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2023-09-24 13:40:04	susi	pacman-mirrors is a manjaro thing
2023-09-24 13:40:14	KingShark	thats why i guess :D
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2023-09-24 13:43:26	mingdao	cfoch: Start with `pacman -Sy reflector`
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2023-09-24 13:44:53	susi	but yeah, maybe start by upgrading your mirrorlist, maybe just put 'Server = https://cloudflaremirrors.com/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch' in your /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist file
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2023-09-24 13:45:05	mingdao	The two primary mirrors now are [core] and [extra] - in /etc/pacman.conf
2023-09-24 13:45:21	susi	this installation might be so back in time, that one may have to do this partially through Arch Linux Archives, but I'd try not to
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2023-09-24 13:45:49	susi	that means, like this, piece by piece: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux_Archive#How_to_restore_all_packages_to_a_specific_date
2023-09-24 13:45:51	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Archive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-24 13:46:35	susi	and you need to remove [community] repo from your pacman.conf, unless doing the ALA sequential upgrade
2023-09-24 13:46:44	mingdao	Once you install reflector run `reflector --latest 5 --sort rate --save /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.new` and compare /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.new to /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.  You can probably replace it with `mv /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.new /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist`
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2023-09-24 13:47:58	susi	might face interesting problems, hopefully someone who has ever done such a restortaion of an old install or otherwise knowledgeable person appears
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2023-09-24 13:48:21	mingdao	I recently updated a system that hadn't even been online since Dec 2022, and after changing the mirrors in /etc/pacman.conf then updating /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist, `pacman -Syu` did the job.  IIRC there were >1k packages, but they had fiber and it wasn't bad.
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2023-09-24 13:50:30	cfoch	KingShark, sudo: pacman-mirrors: command not found
2023-09-24 13:50:30	susi	cfoch: replace your mirrorlist with what I said, then -Sy archlinux-keyring; -Su
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2023-09-24 13:37:34	cfoch	Hello. I get this error "error: failed retrieving file 'core.db'" on Arch Linux.
2023-09-24 13:37:50	cfoch	I haven't used my distro since 2021. How can I refresh mirrors?
2023-09-24 13:39:55	KingShark	cfoch, i guess sudo pacman-mirrors -f5 && sudo pacman -Syyu
2023-09-24 13:40:04	susi	pacman-mirrors is a manjaro thing
2023-09-24 13:40:14	KingShark	thats why i guess :D
2023-09-24 13:43:26	mingdao	cfoch: Start with `pacman -Sy reflector`
2023-09-24 13:44:53	susi	but yeah, maybe start by upgrading your mirrorlist, maybe just put 'Server = https://cloudflaremirrors.com/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch' in your /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist file
2023-09-24 13:45:05	mingdao	The two primary mirrors now are [core] and [extra] - in /etc/pacman.conf
2023-09-24 13:45:21	susi	this installation might be so back in time, that one may have to do this partially through Arch Linux Archives, but I'd try not to
2023-09-24 13:45:49	susi	that means, like this, piece by piece: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux_Archive#How_to_restore_all_packages_to_a_specific_date
2023-09-24 13:45:51	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Archive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-24 13:46:35	susi	and you need to remove [community] repo from your pacman.conf, unless doing the ALA sequential upgrade
2023-09-24 13:46:44	mingdao	Once you install reflector run `reflector --latest 5 --sort rate --save /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.new` and compare /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.new to /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.  You can probably replace it with `mv /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.new /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist`
2023-09-24 13:47:58	susi	might face interesting problems, hopefully someone who has ever done such a restortaion of an old install or otherwise knowledgeable person appears
2023-09-24 13:48:21	mingdao	I recently updated a system that hadn't even been online since Dec 2022, and after changing the mirrors in /etc/pacman.conf then updating /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist, `pacman -Syu` did the job.  IIRC there were >1k packages, but they had fiber and it wasn't bad.
2023-09-24 13:50:28	cfoch	KingShark, sudo: pacman-mirrors: command not found
2023-09-24 13:50:30	susi	cfoch: replace your mirrorlist with what I said, then -Sy archlinux-keyring; -Su
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2023-09-24 13:37:34	cfoch	Hello. I get this error "error: failed retrieving file 'core.db'" on Arch Linux.
2023-09-24 13:37:50	cfoch	I haven't used my distro since 2021. How can I refresh mirrors?
2023-09-24 13:39:55	KingShark	cfoch, i guess sudo pacman-mirrors -f5 && sudo pacman -Syyu
2023-09-24 13:40:04	susi	pacman-mirrors is a manjaro thing
2023-09-24 13:40:14	KingShark	thats why i guess :D
2023-09-24 13:43:26	mingdao	cfoch: Start with `pacman -Sy reflector`
2023-09-24 13:44:53	susi	but yeah, maybe start by upgrading your mirrorlist, maybe just put 'Server = https://cloudflaremirrors.com/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch' in your /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist file
2023-09-24 13:45:05	mingdao	The two primary mirrors now are [core] and [extra] - in /etc/pacman.conf
2023-09-24 13:45:21	susi	this installation might be so back in time, that one may have to do this partially through Arch Linux Archives, but I'd try not to
2023-09-24 13:45:49	susi	that means, like this, piece by piece: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux_Archive#How_to_restore_all_packages_to_a_specific_date
2023-09-24 13:45:51	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Archive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-24 13:46:35	susi	and you need to remove [community] repo from your pacman.conf, unless doing the ALA sequential upgrade
2023-09-24 13:46:44	mingdao	Once you install reflector run `reflector --latest 5 --sort rate --save /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.new` and compare /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.new to /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.  You can probably replace it with `mv /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.new /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist`
2023-09-24 13:47:58	susi	might face interesting problems, hopefully someone who has ever done such a restortaion of an old install or otherwise knowledgeable person appears
2023-09-24 13:48:21	mingdao	I recently updated a system that hadn't even been online since Dec 2022, and after changing the mirrors in /etc/pacman.conf then updating /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist, `pacman -Syu` did the job.  IIRC there were >1k packages, but they had fiber and it wasn't bad.
2023-09-24 13:50:28	cfoch	KingShark, sudo: pacman-mirrors: command not found
2023-09-24 13:50:30	susi	cfoch: replace your mirrorlist with what I said, then -Sy archlinux-keyring; -Su
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2023-09-24 13:37:34	cfoch	Hello. I get this error "error: failed retrieving file 'core.db'" on Arch Linux.
2023-09-24 13:37:50	cfoch	I haven't used my distro since 2021. How can I refresh mirrors?
2023-09-24 13:39:55	KingShark	cfoch, i guess sudo pacman-mirrors -f5 && sudo pacman -Syyu
2023-09-24 13:40:04	susi	pacman-mirrors is a manjaro thing
2023-09-24 13:40:14	KingShark	thats why i guess :D
2023-09-24 13:43:26	mingdao	cfoch: Start with `pacman -Sy reflector`
2023-09-24 13:44:53	susi	but yeah, maybe start by upgrading your mirrorlist, maybe just put 'Server = https://cloudflaremirrors.com/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch' in your /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist file
2023-09-24 13:45:05	mingdao	The two primary mirrors now are [core] and [extra] - in /etc/pacman.conf
2023-09-24 13:45:21	susi	this installation might be so back in time, that one may have to do this partially through Arch Linux Archives, but I'd try not to
2023-09-24 13:45:49	susi	that means, like this, piece by piece: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux_Archive#How_to_restore_all_packages_to_a_specific_date
2023-09-24 13:45:51	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Archive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-24 13:46:35	susi	and you need to remove [community] repo from your pacman.conf, unless doing the ALA sequential upgrade
2023-09-24 13:46:44	mingdao	Once you install reflector run `reflector --latest 5 --sort rate --save /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.new` and compare /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.new to /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.  You can probably replace it with `mv /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.new /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist`
2023-09-24 13:47:58	susi	might face interesting problems, hopefully someone who has ever done such a restortaion of an old install or otherwise knowledgeable person appears
2023-09-24 13:48:21	mingdao	I recently updated a system that hadn't even been online since Dec 2022, and after changing the mirrors in /etc/pacman.conf then updating /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist, `pacman -Syu` did the job.  IIRC there were >1k packages, but they had fiber and it wasn't bad.
2023-09-24 13:50:28	cfoch	KingShark, sudo: pacman-mirrors: command not found
2023-09-24 13:50:30	susi	cfoch: replace your mirrorlist with what I said, then -Sy archlinux-keyring; -Su
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2023-09-24 14:17:43	susi	^someone see to kalken's question about routing policy & networkd
2023-09-24 14:33:49	mingdao	No, it was black on black, so no one else saw it.  :^)
2023-09-24 14:34:41	mingdao	susi: Check it in #systemd 
2023-09-24 14:36:05	susi	I was just afraid me spamming hid the question
2023-09-24 14:37:45	mingdao	You didn't spam.  Might be that not many watching atm use networkd.
2023-09-24 14:38:28	mingdao	Arch wiki has an article https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/systemd-networkd
2023-09-24 14:38:29	phrik	Title: systemd-networkd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-24 14:41:10	kalken	mingdao: yea i'll check there too. thanks for the info, but i already scanned the whole internet and got 0 hits on the subject
2023-09-24 14:41:43	mingdao	kalken: The only routing I do on this LAN is with iptables.
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2023-09-24 14:59:01	SCHAPiE	And they have their specific useful use cases, depending on context.
2023-09-24 14:59:24	jkc	Sure, if you want to watch geographically-locked content on the internet. Corporate VPNs are also a different story.
2023-09-24 14:59:31	jkc	But that's about the extent of it.
2023-09-24 15:00:27	susi	kalken: are you using wireguard?
2023-09-24 15:00:37	kalken	yes
2023-09-24 15:00:51	kalken	since it was in early beta :D
2023-09-24 15:01:29	susi	have you looked into this https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/WireGuard#Specific_use-case:_VPN_server
2023-09-24 15:01:31	phrik	Title: WireGuard - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-24 15:01:58	susi	oh sorry, nvm that
2023-09-24 15:02:51	susi	wiki used to have a subtopic about routing all traffic over wg @ systemd-networkd
2023-09-24 15:04:28	kalken	susi: thanks for the help. I dont have a server, its just a client. And i dont have any problem with the setup, just the syntax of networkd
2023-09-24 15:04:35	kalken	but i think i sorted it out maybe
2023-09-24 15:05:26	susi	yeah, it was accidental paste
2023-09-24 15:05:34	mingdao	kalken: There are folks in #netfilter who can help you with this.  IDK if you'll catch them active on Sunday, but one specific op works for OpenVPN and can probably help, though afaik they don't use systemd.
2023-09-24 15:06:52	kalken	thanks, but i just found the solution by trial and error!
2023-09-24 15:07:02	kalken	ty guys and girls for the help anyway!
2023-09-24 15:07:38	mingdao	kalken: Good job!  Share it with the channel, since no one active atm knew HOW-TO.  :^)
2023-09-24 15:08:36	Inst	Do you guys know Felix Yan?
2023-09-24 15:09:22	mingdao	TikTok
2023-09-24 15:09:33	Inst	He's an Arch repo maintainer, no?
2023-09-24 15:10:06	jkc	mingdao: Knowing how to isn't necessarily the issue. It's not having clarity on the actual objective. And after asking twice, I found something better to do with my time.
2023-09-24 15:10:45	mingdao	jkc: I understand.  Still, it's appropriate to share what you found out after asking, eh?
2023-09-24 15:11:28	mpan	Inst: hello. It might be better to simply ask the question you need help with. How would our knowledge of/association with Felix be relevant to solving your Arch issue?
2023-09-24 15:11:43	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-09-24 15:12:54	Inst	It's more a question toward the Arch community, because IIRC there's a conflict between Felix Yan, the maintainer of the GHC Haskell package, and Haskell community.
2023-09-24 15:12:54	kalken	solution is:
2023-09-24 15:12:54	kalken	[Route]
2023-09-24 15:12:54	kalken	Gateway=0.0.0.0
2023-09-24 15:12:54	kalken	Type=blackhole
2023-09-24 15:12:54	kalken	Table=vpn-fallback<y
2023-09-24 15:12:54	kalken	i just need to figure out how to get rid of protocol static...
2023-09-24 15:12:54	kalken	the idea is to document this stuff on github once i get it sorted...
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2023-09-24 15:29:03	mpan	Inst: if there is any problem relevant to Arch, you may open an issue or a feature request in the bugtracker. It will reach both Felix and will be seen by the general community. But please consider the notes above. I do not use Haskell myself and may be missing a part of the picture, but skimming over the subject, it seems to me as something irrelevant to Arch (at least in the part you
2023-09-24 15:29:03	mpan	mentioned).
2023-09-24 15:29:58	Traneptora	hi, I maintain an AUR package that has had a merge request that I'd like to accept
2023-09-24 15:30:15	Traneptora	but I'm trying to figure out how to accept the merge on the web UI and I can't figure it out
2023-09-24 15:31:06	Antiz	Traneptora: You cannot accept the merge request yourself. A TU/AUR moderator has to do that for you.
2023-09-24 15:31:21	Antiz	Traneptora: Which package is that? I can accept it for you if you like.
2023-09-24 15:31:30	Traneptora	the package is waterfox-current-bin
2023-09-24 15:31:33	Inst	Yeah, I agree, I just heard complaints and this was interesting drama.
2023-09-24 15:31:35	Traneptora	thanks, I appreciate it
2023-09-24 15:32:02	Inst	If I can get QQ or Wechat working and be able to reach him, I might try to ask him what his point of view is with the configuration settings on Haskell packages
2023-09-24 15:32:04	Traneptora	I sent an email to aur-requests@lists.archlinux.org asking the same question but it ended up in moderation queue so I figured I'd try IRC
2023-09-24 15:32:25	Inst	I think mainstream Haskellers just don't bother with ANY distro setup of the compiler / packaging ecosystem, it's all either on Nix or GHCup these days because the ecosystem is so unstable
2023-09-24 15:32:36	lb9di	Traneptora: note, there is an aur channel
2023-09-24 15:33:05	Antiz	Traneptora: Merge request accepted ;)
2023-09-24 15:33:05	lb9di	Traneptora: #archlinux-aur
2023-09-24 15:33:14	lb9di	Traneptora: which often can be faster
2023-09-24 15:33:23	Traneptora	thanks
2023-09-24 15:33:54	mpan	Inst: https://archlinux.org/people/trusted-users/#felixonmars
2023-09-24 15:33:55	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Trusted Users (at archlinux.org)
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2023-09-24 15:58:34	powftw	This is stuck for a while now. After some 20 mins, it'll finish and close copying window
2023-09-24 15:58:45	powftw	thats when i understand its copied
2023-09-24 15:58:52	susi	you could also use rsync 
2023-09-24 15:59:08	lb9di	use anything with a progress bar
2023-09-24 15:59:16	lb9di	or use e.g. iotop to monitor it
2023-09-24 15:59:18	powftw	rsync on Thunar and Dolphin?
2023-09-24 15:59:36	lb9di	progress bar that shows current rate*
2023-09-24 15:59:38	susi	rsync from zsh on a terminal emulator
2023-09-24 15:59:47	susi	or from any shell
2023-09-24 16:00:02	lb9di	best solution though is to do the copy over network instead
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2023-09-24 17:26:54	Trel	I was looking at the Arch wiki for MTP info I was relaying to someone and saw "It is recommended to reboot your computer after installing MTP related packages."  I'm curious why that is.
2023-09-24 17:33:18	ville	howdy. presumably org.freedesktop.secrets is some kind of name of a service for managing passwords. question i then have is what arch packages provides this for me?
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2023-09-24 17:56:47	ville	in ~/.config/nheko/nheko.conf i can see: user_id=@@<something>:matrix.org. should the "username" field in keepassxc include the whole shebang or just the <something> part?
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2023-09-24 17:57:43	BrainDamage	it should have a single @, not double
2023-09-24 17:58:02	BrainDamage	oh, weird, mine does too
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2023-09-24 17:58:18	ville	well it has 2
2023-09-24 17:58:27	BrainDamage	the official id form is @username:serverdomain
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2023-09-24 17:59:09	ville	so stick just the <username> part or everything starting with @@, everything except the @@?
2023-09-24 17:59:28	lambda	ville: the application should create the secret store entry itself, no need to create it manually
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2023-09-24 18:04:10	ville	...unless it core dumps i suppose
2023-09-24 18:06:02	ville	is there a tolerable matrix client that isn't noveau web garbage? terminal based if possible
2023-09-24 18:06:15	lambda	idk if weechat-matrix is any good yet
2023-09-24 18:06:21	pantsu	there are a few cli ones
2023-09-24 18:06:53	ville	pantsu: something that's able to then launch whatever thing to handle audio and video?
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2023-09-24 18:07:14	pantsu	https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/
2023-09-24 18:07:16	phrik	Title: Matrix.org - Clients (at matrix.org)
2023-09-24 18:07:54	ville	yeah i've been through the list. landed on nheko at the time but it's always been of questionable quality stability-wise
2023-09-24 18:07:59	◣	Moprius (~Thunderbi@user/Moprius) ha salido (Quit: bye)
2023-09-24 18:08:00	pantsu	note: if you use sso/2fa most clients doesn't support that
2023-09-24 18:08:08	pantsu	and many doesn't do spaces yet
2023-09-24 18:08:35	pantsu	(goes for both gui and terminal ones)
2023-09-24 18:08:46	ℹ 	paulman0 es conocido ahora como paulman
2023-09-24 18:09:12	ℹ 	paulman es conocido ahora como paulman0
2023-09-24 18:09:28	pantsu	matrix clients sadly is in a pretty horrible state
2023-09-24 18:10:08	ville	yes i'd like to avoid having to write my own, but it's starting to seem more and more likely that's unavoidable
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2023-09-24 18:11:08	ville	oh well. thanks for the help. at least i got the keepassxc part sorted. nheko not so much
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2023-09-24 18:58:23	lucenera	I added a TPM token with PIN to my LUKS partition and deleted the slot with the passphrase. Now I want to add the passphrase again, but it keeps asking for the current passphrase which does not exist. How do I get out of this?
2023-09-24 19:02:45	stefanc_diff68	lambda kernel blacklisting worked in stopping the "igb" driver from loading but the kernel doesn't load the e1000e driver for this Intel 82576 adapter
2023-09-24 19:03:00	stefanc_diff68	Right now it doesn't have any driver loaded
2023-09-24 19:03:09	stefanc_diff68	As shown by lspci -vvv
2023-09-24 19:03:31	Namarrgon	what does 'lspci -k' return?
2023-09-24 19:05:10	koyomi	Hi. I've written a small program that consists of a shell script and an awk program that the shell script runs. How should I package it? Clearly the executable shell script goes in /usr/bin, but what's most appropriate for the .awk? /var/lib/myprogram?
2023-09-24 19:05:41	mpan	koyomi: is the awk script intended to be directly run by the user?
2023-09-24 19:06:14	koyomi	mpan: no
2023-09-24 19:06:16	mpan	koyomi: then into “/usr/lib/yourprogram”.
2023-09-24 19:06:17	stefanc_diff68	lambda  'lspci -k" shows "Kernel modules: igb"
2023-09-24 19:06:38	Namarrgon	stefanc_diff68: uname -r
2023-09-24 19:06:47	koyomi	it's only in its own file because the escaping would be extremely awkward (hah!) if it were inlined in the shell script
2023-09-24 19:07:05	stefanc_diff68	Namarrgon I'm running the LTS archlinux kernel - 6.1.54-1-lts
2023-09-24 19:07:11	mpan	koyomi: that is fine and a sane solution.
2023-09-24 19:09:29	Namarrgon	stefanc_diff68: can you post the kernel log?
2023-09-24 19:09:36	koyomi	mpan: ok, thanks!
2023-09-24 19:14:31	stefanc_diff68	Namarrgon: the part of the kernel log relating to the Intel 82576 device is here -  http://ix.io/4Hkz
2023-09-24 19:15:20	stefanc_diff68	The "Reset adapter unexpectedly" lines are coming from me forcing the e1000e driver for this device manually using "echo dev_id > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/e1000e/new_id"
2023-09-24 19:15:33	Namarrgon	post the full log
2023-09-24 19:16:00	stefanc_diff68	Ok
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2023-09-24 19:40:58	cfoch	How can I prevent a module from loading until next boot? 
2023-09-24 19:41:01	cfoch	kernel module
2023-09-24 19:42:30	stefanc_diff68	cfoch you can manually unbind that module from a device - https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/134878/make-linux-load-specific-driver-for-given-device-realtek-nic
2023-09-24 19:42:31	phrik	Title: Make Linux load specific driver for given device (Realtek NIC) - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
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2023-09-24 22:19:34	nerdistmonk	wrote another script that can switch any image to a 800x800 max .png
2023-09-24 22:19:42	nerdistmonk	that way mac os 7 doesn't have a heart attack
2023-09-24 22:20:30	nerdistmonk	anyways, to those that helped me try to get my stylewriter going a few days ago, thanks again, I was able to get it going with an RS-422 to usb adapter.
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2023-09-24 22:42:24	topcat001	nerdistmonk: you have a Classic System 7 install (and hardware)?
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2023-09-24 23:19:58	invra	https://dpaste.com/C8LJSSVGW i have been getting this error on line 115 when running mkinitcpio. not sure what it is all about
2023-09-24 23:20:03	phrik	Title: dpaste: C8LJSSVGW (at dpaste.com)
2023-09-24 23:20:13	invra	at line 88 too
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2023-09-24 23:23:05	nerdistmonk	topcat001, running system 7.6.1 in basilisk II, linux itself can't really deal with the stylewriter II properly, so I just print from within system 7 via RS-422 serial
2023-09-24 23:24:05	nerdistmonk	I keep classic mac os around since I like to use it, and play games on it, etc, wrote a pair of scripts to make pdf and images compatible with system 7 super-fast, and system 7 has access to my data drive on linux, so its painless to use for printing.
2023-09-24 23:24:38	nerdistmonk	anyways, probably a subject better suited for offtopic now that my issues are fixed.
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2023-09-25 20:24:59	GuiToris	hello, I forgot what I should change for the newly created filesystem to be writeable for the user
2023-09-25 20:25:12	GuiToris	should I chown the /run/media/path?
2023-09-25 20:25:20	MrElendig	depends on the fs in question
2023-09-25 20:25:27	GuiToris	ext4
2023-09-25 20:25:37	MrElendig	acl or group ownership then
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2023-09-25 20:26:24	Yukkuri	hi, during recent archlinux-keyring update apparently all trust database was lost: http://ix.io/4HpQ -- what is the recovery procedure?
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2023-09-25 20:27:27	MrElendig	start with df -h
2023-09-25 20:27:44	Namarrgon	check dmesg for fs or hw issues, too
2023-09-25 20:28:47	Yukkuri	none spotted, disks seem to be properly mounted in rw, no other issues thorouhout update
2023-09-25 20:29:48	Yukkuri	what is the prereqisite for initializing trust signature database from scratch?
2023-09-25 20:30:57	Namarrgon	!fixkeyring2
2023-09-25 20:30:58	phrik	If your keyring issue hasn't been fixed yet, try: rm -rf /etc/pacman.d/gnupg && pacman-key --init && pacman-key --populate && pacman-key --refresh-keys
2023-09-25 20:31:10	Yukkuri	thanks
2023-09-25 20:31:15	GuiToris	MrElendig, I've never used acl, is this reasonable? setfacl -dm "u:guitoris:rwx" /path/to/directory
2023-09-25 20:31:29	Namarrgon	check pacman -Qkk pacman first, just to make sure that pacman-key isn't corrupted
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2023-09-25 20:32:45	MrElendig	GuiToris: depending on the use case, yes
2023-09-25 20:33:03	GuiToris	I was thinking on x, but I think I need that for folders
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2023-09-25 20:33:25	GuiToris	thank you
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2023-09-25 20:35:48	MrElendig	GuiToris: try X
2023-09-25 20:36:57	GuiToris	It's not working
2023-09-25 20:37:22	MrElendig	"The character X stands for the execute  permission  if  the file is a directory or already has execute permission for some user."
2023-09-25 20:37:23	GuiToris	setfacl -dm "u:guitoris:rwx" -R /run/media/path
2023-09-25 20:37:32	GuiToris	ls -l /run/media/path
2023-09-25 20:37:34	GuiToris	root root
2023-09-25 20:37:50	MrElendig	GuiToris: getfacl to show the acls
2023-09-25 20:38:14	MrElendig	ls will only show it there is acl or not, not what they are
2023-09-25 20:38:52	GuiToris	getfacl says both owner and group root
2023-09-25 20:38:55	GuiToris	user::rwx
2023-09-25 20:38:59	GuiToris	group::r-x
2023-09-25 20:39:03	GuiToris	other::r-x
2023-09-25 20:39:16	GuiToris	default:user:guitoris:rwx
2023-09-25 20:39:32	MrElendig	as your user touch /path/to/directory/derp && getfacl /path/to/directory/derp
2023-09-25 20:39:39	MrElendig	it should be applied to anything new
2023-09-25 20:40:04	MrElendig	if you have existing data, you have to change those over without -d 
2023-09-25 20:40:13	GuiToris	no, completely empty drive
2023-09-25 20:40:17	MrElendig	and as noted, X if you only want  +x on dirs
2023-09-25 20:40:47	GuiToris	I thought you capitalized it for emphasis
2023-09-25 20:41:09	MrElendig	no, it is the same as with chmod
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2023-09-25 20:41:45	GuiToris	I tried it with X, I am still unable to successfully create a file on the device
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2023-09-25 20:41:55	GuiToris	touch: cannot touch 'file': Permission denied
2023-09-25 20:42:19	MrElendig	as said, have to change the active acl on the dir first
2023-09-25 20:42:57	MrElendig	setfacl u:guitoris:rwX /path/to/directory  should do it
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2023-09-25 20:43:44	MrElendig	-m*
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2023-09-25 20:44:39	GuiToris	thank you so much
2023-09-25 20:44:44	GuiToris	now it works =)
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2023-09-25 20:45:48	MrElendig	don't forget to change the default too to X if you don't want +x on all files
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2023-09-25 20:47:00	MrElendig	sidenote: tempted to throw a feature request at eza to include an acl display option
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2023-09-25 20:49:04	MrElendig	-l -@ kinda does it, but not really :p
2023-09-25 20:49:13	GuiToris	if I copy files with rsync -a then everything will stay the same, right?
2023-09-25 20:49:33	MrElendig	GuiToris: -A
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2023-09-25 20:50:36	MrElendig	GuiToris: --archive, -a            archive mode is -rlptgoD (no -A,-X,-U,-N,-H)
2023-09-25 20:50:45	MrElendig	acl is not included unless you add -A
2023-09-25 20:51:09	GuiToris	thank you
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2023-09-25 21:23:29	lucenera	Everywhere I find Google about these errors, but no one has a solution. Until a few days ago I had no problem.
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2023-09-25 21:28:33	thingfish	I'm looking for a GNOME-friendly chat app. I have tried pidgin (my first choice as I used it for a very long time) and hexchat. They function fine, however when installed they look like they came out of Windows 95. I guess it's a gtk+ thing? I'd like to use one of these if possible...is there a way to get it to look like it fits in with the current theme?
2023-09-25 21:29:13	thingfish	I feel it's probably something simple I'm unaware of or overlooking.
2023-09-25 21:29:37	thingfish	I messed around with Fedora 38 yesterday, and Pidgin in it was lovely.
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2023-09-25 21:31:11	gehidore	change the theme in pidgin?
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2023-09-26 20:58:18	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
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2023-09-26 04:32:20	storm2	idk
2023-09-26 04:32:44	kode54	passim is apparently a mandatory requirement of fwupd
2023-09-26 04:32:52	kode54	even though google says it's an optional dependency
2023-09-26 04:36:32	mefistofeles	kode54: it's probably compiled with passim support in arch
2023-09-26 04:38:39	kode54	gotcha
2023-09-26 04:38:51	kode54	it first installed itself on september 5th
2023-09-26 04:38:59	kode54	guess that's when they turned on support
2023-09-26 04:43:06	quartz	Hi. I'm getting bad screen tearing and occational flickering. I have "nvidia-drm.modeset=1" in my GRUB bootloader config file. Not sure what else to do 
2023-09-26 04:45:56	mefistofeles	quartz: what DE?
2023-09-26 04:46:10	quartz	mefistofeles: GNOME
2023-09-26 04:47:02	mefistofeles	quartz: oh, so with wayland or X11? and are you using the nvidia driver or the open source?
2023-09-26 04:49:33	quartz	mefistofeles: I'm on the nvidia driver, with X11
2023-09-26 04:49:40	quartz	I guess it's time to move to wayland lol
2023-09-26 04:50:08	mefistofeles	wayland could help, but I think it doesn't play that well with the NVIDIA drivers
2023-09-26 04:50:37	mefistofeles	quartz: you could just try https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA/Troubleshooting#Avoid_screen_tearing 
2023-09-26 04:50:38	phrik	Title: NVIDIA/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-26 04:52:22	quartz	mefistofeles: I'll try it now
2023-09-26 04:53:51	mefistofeles	quartz: be prepared for black screen of death :P
2023-09-26 04:57:21	quartz	mefistofeles: How will I see what I'm doing?
2023-09-26 04:59:54	mefistofeles	quartz: you won't that's why you have to be prepared for the worst, just in case
2023-09-26 05:00:16	rcf	quartz: I like to be prepared to ssh in 
2023-09-26 05:00:37	quartz	mefistofeles: Will restarting fix it
2023-09-26 05:00:42	quartz	rcf: Heh, good ponit
2023-09-26 05:00:44	quartz	point*
2023-09-26 05:00:58	mefistofeles	quartz: probably not, but you could restart in "recovery mode", that should help undoing the changes
2023-09-26 05:01:51	rcf	Also have a USB with the install image at the ready in case it really goes poorly 
2023-09-26 05:02:30	quartz	mefistofeles: Not sure how to get to recovery mode, you mean the usb image?
2023-09-26 05:02:40	mefistofeles	that could do it as well
2023-09-26 05:02:52	mefistofeles	that's probably the easiest way
2023-09-26 05:03:04	xulfer	Wayland on nvidia has gotten better.  the mode set is required which you've done.
2023-09-26 05:03:44	xulfer	They do GBM now, and what not.  There are also open drivers you can try.
2023-09-26 05:04:06	xulfer	From nvidia I mean.  Not the Nouveau.
2023-09-26 05:04:18	Severus	Wayland on Nvidia causes some flicker
2023-09-26 05:04:33	Severus	I must patch the wlr before using it
2023-09-26 05:05:10	mefistofeles	https://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/525.89.02/README/wayland-issues.html
2023-09-26 05:05:11	phrik	Title: Appendix L. Wayland Known Issues (at us.download.nvidia.com)
2023-09-26 05:05:12	Severus	recently, xdg-desktop-portal-hyprland stopped working
2023-09-26 05:05:43	Severus	the bug was closed by developer on github
2023-09-26 05:05:53	Severus	so funny that he claimed to dbus 
2023-09-26 08:21:13	Ennea	i'm using remmina to connect to another machine that runs xrdp via rdp. connection type in remmina is set to LAN, as they're both on the same local network. this worked fine last week, now it doesn't anymore, despite both machines not receiving any updates since then. with connection type LAN, i only get a small square full of noisy pixels in remmina. no error messages in the journal that would
2023-09-26 08:21:15	Ennea	explain this, either. does anybody happen to have any ideas what may be causing this? changing connection type to auto makes it work so far, but not as well as before
2023-09-26 08:49:32	andreyv	Ennea: The "connection type" setting appears to be buggy. For me it works when I set it to unspecified.
2023-09-26 08:51:51	Ennea	i don't even have "unspecified". i got "none", though, which also works. very weird
2023-09-26 08:52:12	Ennea	i'm just confused because this setup has worked for more than a year now, and suddenly broke with zero package updates on either machine
2023-09-26 08:53:02	andreyv	Yes, "none", I guess. My interface is not in English.
2023-09-26 08:53:27	Ennea	ah, okay
2023-09-26 08:53:52	Ennea	still. choosing "none" or "auto" definitely feels a tad more sluggish than "LAN" did previously
2023-09-26 08:54:12	andreyv	"auto" causes a connection failure for me
2023-09-26 08:58:26	andreyv	You can set color depth to 8 bits and choose "poor" quality in settings, this could help
2023-09-26 09:38:01	Ennea	doesn't seem to make a difference, which isn't particularly surprising with two PCs on the same network :) i wonder what the connection type setting actually does..
2023-09-26 11:14:59	fireion	What happened to the main mirror? Linux is on 6.5.4 on that. I haven't had an update in a week across all my packages
2023-09-26 11:15:09	fireion	I had to try a random german mirror to get updates
2023-09-26 11:15:19	jelle	fireion: what "main mirror"
2023-09-26 11:15:25	grawity	geo.pkgbuild?
2023-09-26 11:16:04	fireion	yeah that and rackspace both
2023-09-26 11:16:13	grawity	looks normal
2023-09-26 11:16:21	grawity	the linux package is indeed 6.5.4 in [core]
2023-09-26 11:16:39	fireion	Sorry I meant it's on 6.5.3 on mirror
2023-09-26 11:16:43	fireion	Let me share logs, 1 sec
2023-09-26 11:17:41	fireion	http://ix.io/4Hse
2023-09-26 11:18:16	grawity	that doesn't say anything about linux
2023-09-26 11:18:52	grawity	but all the instances of geo.mirror seem to have 6.5.4
2023-09-26 11:20:12	fireion	Is there some way I can share screenshot?
2023-09-26 11:20:30	grawity	imgur or something
2023-09-26 11:21:28	fireion	https://imgur.com/a/4xZIEqT
2023-09-26 11:21:29	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2023-09-26 11:21:46	fireion	I ran update today with Syyu, and I got 6.5.3 is up-to-date. 
2023-09-26 11:21:55	grawity	I see you still have [extra] enabled
2023-09-26 11:22:05	grawity	[extra] hasn't existed for a couple of months now
2023-09-26 11:22:15	grawity	or was it [community]
2023-09-26 11:22:25	grawity	yeah it's [community] that should be gone
2023-09-26 11:22:25	jelle	[community] is gone :)
2023-09-26 11:22:26	fireion	Oh ok
2023-09-26 11:22:31	fireion	That's the issue
2023-09-26 11:22:41	grawity	in your case it shouldn't be an issue
2023-09-26 11:22:58	jelle	fireion: can you pastebin head -n 10 /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
2023-09-26 11:23:05	grawity	which mirror were you using originally, though?
2023-09-26 11:23:19	fireion	One of the 3 worldwide mirrors
2023-09-26 11:23:22	grawity	since I don't think we had a "main" mirror back then
2023-09-26 11:23:39	grawity	more precisely?
2023-09-26 11:23:45	grawity	like, share the actual URL
2023-09-26 11:23:53	fireion	http://ix.io/4Hsg
2023-09-26 11:24:16	grawity	those are all commented out right now so they're not really in use
2023-09-26 11:24:33	fireion	yeah, right now I switched to a german mirror. I keep only 1 mirror uncommented
2023-09-26 11:24:33	grawity	was geo.mirror enabled initially, or the rackspace one?
2023-09-26 11:24:44	fireion	geo.mirror was enabled initially
2023-09-26 11:24:50	fireion	It didn't work then I tried rackspace, that didn't work.
2023-09-26 11:25:04	fireion	Then I started trying random mirrors. I was concerned I hadn't seen update in a week.
2023-09-26 11:26:06	fireion	Hi, now I can reproduce some meanful info
2023-09-26 11:26:13	fireion	I changed mirror back to http rackspace one
2023-09-26 11:26:50	fireion	And then https://imgur.com/a/0YCNVsu
2023-09-26 11:26:51	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2023-09-26 11:27:03	fireion	It's asking me to downgrade linux to 6.5.3
2023-09-26 11:27:08	fireion	Let me try https one.
2023-09-26 11:27:27	grawity	guess rackspace is broken again
2023-09-26 11:27:42	grawity	note the current mirrorlist no longer has a single "worldwide" URL for it, it has region-specific URLs now
2023-09-26 11:28:08	fireion	Same issue with https mirror. lmk if you want any logs
2023-09-26 11:28:11	grawity	oh wait it still does have the 'mirror' URL, under USA
2023-09-26 11:28:18	fireion	I'll update my mirrorlist, ty.
2023-09-26 11:29:23	fireion	rackspace has been bad for a week. I was having some issues with my clicks not registering in dota. Thought I'd update kernel and reboot in case some thing happened.
2023-09-26 11:36:39	pbnoxious	not necessarily an arch linux issue, might also be my git/pgp setting: I have a git package, where I 'verified' the authenticity of the code by adding `?signed` to the URL but now it suddenly fails. It is a signed git commit and I (obviously, because it's my commit) have the public key in my keyring. Still, building the package fails with '==> ERROR: One or more PGP signatures could not be
2023-09-26 11:36:39	pbnoxious	verified!'
2023-09-26 11:37:39	pbnoxious	to be clear, I had `source=(git+https://${url}#tag=${_tag}?signed)` as line in the PKGBUILD and now it only works if I remove the '?signed'
2023-09-26 11:37:57	jelle	is the tag still signed?
2023-09-26 11:39:02	pbnoxious	it should be, I just created it and had to enter my pgp password for the key (I have automatic signing on)
2023-09-26 11:39:06	pbnoxious	https://github.com/pbnoxious/yt2mpd/releases/tag/v0.2.0
2023-09-26 11:39:24	pbnoxious	oh, or wait is only the commit and not the tag signed?
2023-09-26 11:40:10	jelle	git tag -s signs the tag
2023-09-26 11:40:11	pbnoxious	nah, it is signed, it lists the key on `git show v0.2.0`
2023-09-26 11:43:37	BrainDamage	pbnoxious: why the separate download step? mpd can directly play youtube audio urls
2023-09-26 11:44:33	pbnoxious	BrainDamage: good question, I think it couldn't do it (at least for me) when I last tried it?
2023-09-26 11:44:44	BrainDamage	yt-dlp --prefer-free-formats  --default-search auto --geo-bypass --extract-audio --print urls "${@}" | mpc add
2023-09-26 11:44:47	BrainDamage	this is what I use
2023-09-26 11:45:15	BrainDamage	I've been using that since a couple of years
2023-09-26 11:48:42	pbnoxious	BrainDamage: sounds interesting, maybe I should reconsider ;-)
2023-09-26 11:49:16	pbnoxious	but my code has been working without much issues for the last years, only recently youtube-dl stopped working and I switched to yt-dlp
2023-09-26 14:22:15	low-key	i want to setup drivers for my 6750 xt on my new install
2023-09-26 14:23:01	low-key	if i'm reading the wiki right, amdgpu is built into the kernel and all i need to do is install mesa
2023-09-26 14:23:30	low-key	which i did and lspci -k | grep -A 3 -E "(VGA|3D)" does say the amdgpu kernel driver is in use
2023-09-26 14:24:03	low-key	Does this mean I'm done?
2023-09-26 14:26:00	Tom^	low-key: pretty much yeah. probably need some things like lib32-mesa , vulkan-icd-loader, lib32-vulkan-icd-loader, vulkan-radeon, lib32-vulkan-radeon
2023-09-26 14:26:20	Tom^	depending if you want vulkan and lib32 support for like wine/steam gaming
2023-09-26 14:26:50	low-key	i did install vulkan-radeon too, forgot to mention
2023-09-26 14:26:57	low-key	is there any setting up to do after installing it?
2023-09-26 14:27:02	low-key	didn't install vulkan-icd-loader though
2023-09-26 14:27:14	low-key	there was no mention of it on the amdgpu page on the wiki
2023-09-26 14:27:41	Tom^	cant say what it exactly does but https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Vulkan its listed there
2023-09-26 14:27:42	phrik	Title: Vulkan - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-26 14:30:50	Tom^	sadly mesa 23.2 isnt released yet, you could get -git. brings a few nifty new vulkan extensions etc for radv
2023-09-26 14:30:54	Tom^	or wait a week or two for it :p
2023-09-26 14:35:17	low-key	i'll gladly wait :D
2023-09-26 14:37:48	Exa	Hello, I'm trying to boot the archiso on a new computer.  The iso is run using grub and I confirmed the setup is working on another computer.  Once I select the iso in grub, the screen turns black and the keyboard is powered off.  Also, the computer is not connecting to the network.  Is there a command line argument I could add to the boot to try something?  Thanks.
2023-09-26 14:39:31	Exa	I could manually install the OS by inserting the drive in another computer, but I wouldn't be surprised to have the same issue on a full install
2023-09-26 14:43:43	Tom^	Exa: nvidia?
2023-09-26 14:43:53	Exa	Tom^: no, it's an amd chip with an igpu
2023-09-26 14:44:15	Tom^	no idea then
2023-09-26 14:46:07	Exa	I have the same issue when trying to boot an iso from ubuntu, which also works on another computer
2023-09-26 14:48:24	mingdao	Exa: What is the ISO name you used?
2023-09-26 14:51:09	Exa	it's the one from this month
2023-09-26 14:51:09	mefistofeles	Exa: not sure if applicable but maybe the other computer is booting in legacy/bios whereas the new is UEFI?
2023-09-26 14:52:29	Exa	is there a way to know in grub if it's using EFI or not?  my usb key is formatted with both an esp and e bios boot partition
2023-09-26 14:52:39	Exa	on the working computer it boots with efi
2023-09-26 14:53:10	Exa	I think there is a grub variable or command that has the value, but I'd like to know without editing the config
2023-09-26 15:03:57	ariadnavigo	Exa: efivar should tell you... if it works, it's UEFI; if it fails, it's BIOS
2023-09-26 15:04:19	ariadnavigo	efivar -l
2023-09-26 15:04:39	Exa	I think it's using EFI, tried to run videoinfo and it lists an adapter named "EFI GOD driver"
2023-09-26 15:04:42	Exa	GOP*
2023-09-26 15:05:07	Exa	ariadnavigo: efivar is not a grub command afaik
2023-09-26 15:06:02	ariadnavigo	oh no, it's a efibootmgr command, which I'm sure it's on the ISO
2023-09-26 15:06:03	ariadnavigo	but
2023-09-26 15:06:05	ariadnavigo	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide#Verify_the_boot_mode
2023-09-26 15:06:07	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-26 15:06:14	ariadnavigo	the current Installation Guide proposes a different way
2023-09-26 15:07:36	ariadnavigo	it also works on an already-installed system
2023-09-26 15:08:57	ariadnavigo	oh ok, I see the issue you not being able to pass past GRUB
2023-09-26 15:09:05	Exa	yes
2023-09-26 15:10:02	Exa	it's possible that the cpu is not supported in the kernel on the iso, it's a recent chip, ryzen 7 7735HS (a chinese-oriented portable chip)
2023-09-26 15:10:12	ariadnavigo	no, unlikely
2023-09-26 15:10:30	ariadnavigo	I'm thinking RAM failure if you're getting this also with an Ubuntu ISO
2023-09-26 15:11:06	ariadnavigo	or some other HW issue, as your keyboard is also shutting down
2023-09-26 15:11:59	Exa	my ubuntu iso is not a recent one :/
2023-09-26 15:12:51	Exa	yeah it would be unlikely, the iso has 6.4.x
2023-09-26 15:13:44	ariadnavigo	can you run memcheck from the live ISO?
2023-09-26 15:13:52	Exa	that's what I was going to do :P
2023-09-26 15:13:54	ariadnavigo	the Arch ISO does provide it
2023-09-26 15:13:57	ariadnavigo	\o/
2023-09-26 15:14:23	⚡ 	ariadnavigo had to fire up an Arch VM to check whether memcheck comes with the ISO or not since it's been ages she's installed Arch lol
2023-09-26 15:21:59	mefistofeles	Exa: it might be also just a graphical/display thing, issues with that freezing the whole kernel are not uncommon, maybe try the nomodeset=1 boot param?
2023-09-26 15:22:07	mefistofeles	I think that's the param
2023-09-26 15:22:27	mefistofeles	oh, it's just appending `nomodeset`: )
2023-09-26 15:32:20	Exa	I can't manage to run memtest, the bios version (.bin) makes the computer reboot and the efi version (run from grub shell) is stuck after the boot command (screen doesn't get cleared or anything).  I'll try to burn the archiso directly on another usb key
2023-09-26 15:34:11	Exa	trying nomodeset doesn't change anything
2023-09-26 15:37:20	mefistofeles	Exa: ok, yeah, I guess directly copying the iso to the USB device might work
2023-09-26 16:03:18	ariadnavigo	just curious, how are you flashing your USB key?
2023-09-26 16:04:27	Scimmia	if they're loading it from grub, they're not
2023-09-26 16:07:10	astralc	what is the EFI bootloader for archiso now?
2023-09-26 16:07:15	astralc	sd-boot or grub?
2023-09-26 16:07:32	astralc	I remember it changed, but not remember from what to what
2023-09-26 16:08:58	Exa	booting works after burning the iso to another usb :/  no idea what's the issue with the other usb key with grub since it works on other computers
2023-09-26 16:11:11	ariadnavigo	well that's good news
2023-09-26 16:11:51	ariadnavigo	remember to wipe the iso9960 signature from the old usb if you plan to use it for something else than an ISO
2023-09-26 16:12:46	Scimmia	again, ariadnavigo, that's not what they did with it
2023-09-26 16:13:16	ariadnavigo	?
2023-09-26 16:13:21	Exa	I did flash a usb at the end
2023-09-26 16:13:41	Exa	no worries, that usb won't be used for anything else than burning iso
2023-09-26 16:13:51	Scimmia	ariadnavigo: grub can load ISOs directly
2023-09-26 16:14:07	ariadnavigo	Scimmia: oh
2023-09-26 16:14:11	ariadnavigo	TIL
2023-09-26 16:20:13	atomgardner	is there setting to have pacman flag that a mirror is returning a false "No packages to update" error?
2023-09-26 16:22:41	Namarrgon	no, just remove broken mirrors from the mirrorlist
2023-09-26 16:26:02	astralc	what false with it?
2023-09-26 16:26:11	astralc	package list old?
2023-09-26 17:00:04	ramillia	h
2023-09-26 17:03:14	jdarnley	Is there some sort of bash tool that will print/echo and execute a command?  A bit like the -x option but not for every line?
2023-09-26 17:10:17	Exa	jdarnley: (set -x; your-command)
2023-09-26 17:12:10	jdarnley	A sub shell?  Actually that's quite nice
2023-09-26 17:14:17	Exa	you can also create a function for it for convenience, so that you can prefix every command you want to run in such sub shell
2023-09-26 17:18:09	jdarnley	Thanks
2023-09-26 18:56:53	susi	do anyone see anything bad in this minified startx? http://ix.io/4HuS
2023-09-26 19:02:22	Edu4rdSHL	ugh
2023-09-26 19:02:45	Edu4rdSHL	I just have `startx` lol
2023-09-26 19:04:52	susi	from 241 lines to 27, I think that's nice
2023-09-26 19:06:47	akrawt1	is this some kind of bug when you systemctl stop some service but it continues running? just had this with netdata. had to kill the pids (there were 2 of them)
2023-09-26 19:07:05	akrawt1	then after a fresh start and fresh stop it didnt happen again. stopped properly
2023-09-26 19:07:15	BrainDamage	susi: have you tried "sx", the program? it's a minimalistic alternative to startx
2023-09-26 19:07:28	BrainDamage	and pretty much fully functional
2023-09-26 19:07:31	susi	BrainDamage: nope
2023-09-26 19:07:34	susi	never heard of it
2023-09-26 19:07:42	dTal	well which is it, minimalistic or fully functional?
2023-09-26 19:07:53	dTal	"it's the same but also better"
2023-09-26 19:07:57	BrainDamage	it's minimalistic in line count
2023-09-26 19:08:11	BrainDamage	and it's not using code golf
2023-09-26 19:08:23	susi	I'll take a look in its shell script, to see if there's something to improve within my own 
2023-09-26 19:08:24	BrainDamage	it's just that startx has a lot of code paths that aren't really relevant nowdays
2023-09-26 19:08:45	susi	thanks for the suggestion
2023-09-26 19:08:51	BrainDamage	same of an autotools scripts, it has tons of cruft to eg account for ancient or esoteric archs
2023-09-26 19:08:58	andreyv	akrawt1: Check the service definition for custom ExecStop= or KillSignal=
2023-09-26 19:09:50	BrainDamage	grub's autogenerated config is also another example of ton of useless code branches that make it appear more complicated than it is
2023-09-26 19:10:29	susi	BrainDamage: looks like this even more minimal startx: http://ix.io/2IfL
2023-09-26 19:10:36	susi	but with full powers!
2023-09-26 19:11:14	BrainDamage	susi: you're forgetting the magic cookie and xauthority, so some things will break
2023-09-26 19:11:25	BrainDamage	depending on which interface they use to access it
2023-09-26 19:11:36	susi	BrainDamage: no I'm not, that's not the 'my startx' I posted
2023-09-26 19:11:40	susi	mine uses xinit
2023-09-26 19:13:14	susi	but what does "Xorg will return a USR1 signal to the parent process [indicating it is ready] if it inherited a USR1 signal with a SIG_IGN disposition
2023-09-26 19:13:21	susi	what's a SIG_IGN disposition
2023-09-26 19:16:48	akrawt1	andreyv no ExecStop= or KillSignal= at all. its a fresh install and I havent really touched anything 
2023-09-26 19:17:00	akrawt1	netdata in this case
2023-09-26 19:17:11	susi	does it have Restart=on-failure?
2023-09-26 19:17:16	akrawt1	sec
2023-09-26 19:17:23	susi	or any other Restart=
2023-09-26 19:17:31	akrawt1	yeah
2023-09-26 19:17:34	akrawt1	is that it?
2023-09-26 19:18:15	akrawt1	it shouldnt treat sysmtelctl stop as failure tho right? so not sure how that could have happened, hm
2023-09-26 19:18:22	akrawt1	not that Im worried, just curious
2023-09-26 19:19:03	susi	wouldn't say it does, just curious
2023-09-26 19:19:15	susi	have you checked `systemctl status' for the unit?
2023-09-26 19:19:33	akrawt1	like, it was showing as inactive (dead) but I was still able to access netdata web gui untill I killed the pids
2023-09-26 19:19:34	BrainDamage	susi: SIG_IGN as handler means that you receive the signal but then ignore it iirc
2023-09-26 19:19:37	akrawt1	yeah
2023-09-26 19:19:43	akrawt1	status was inactive/dead
2023-09-26 19:19:52	akrawt1	for the moment I was still able to access web gui
2023-09-26 19:20:05	susi	akrawt1: post the `systemctl status' output of it
2023-09-26 19:22:18	akrawt1	https://pastebin.com/6Wkz4Yv4
2023-09-26 19:22:19	phrik	Title: ○ netdata.service - Real time performance monitoring Loaded: loaded (/usr/ - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2023-09-26 19:22:19	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/HVjB.txt
2023-09-26 19:22:39	akrawt1	thats the status while web gui was still accessible
2023-09-26 19:23:15	akrawt1	and pids were stsill running
2023-09-26 19:23:25	akrawt1	still
2023-09-26 20:13:03	tesx	Hi, I want to report (IDK if it's the right place) that the Tier1 mirror rackspace.com is out-of-sync since 2023-09-13... https://archlinux.org/mirrors/rackspace.com/
2023-09-26 20:13:06	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - rackspace.com - Mirror Details (at archlinux.org)
2023-09-26 20:16:20	heat_	tesx, send them an email
2023-09-26 20:18:59	tesx	heat_ to rackspace? ok I will try, thanks.
2023-09-26 20:19:40	heat_	yeah, my local mirror had a problem too and i shot them an email and it got fixed pretty quickly
2023-09-26 20:20:01	tesx	ok thank you!
2023-09-26 20:49:05	susi	akrawt1: sorry, something else came up... maybe you got something in /usr/lib/systemd/system-sleep or other system-* dir under there
2023-09-26 20:51:27	susi	akrawt1: maybe check it with `pacman -Ql netdata | grep systemd`
2023-09-26 20:58:18	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-26 21:00:26	akrawt1	susi thanks yeah, theres a bunch of netdata related stuff but Im not sure how to interpret it
2023-09-26 21:00:29	akrawt1	sec Ill pastebin
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2023-09-26 21:01:02	akrawt1	https://pastebin.com/kPvEyAQM
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2023-09-26 21:01:25	akrawt1	it does seem that it happened only once and I think it was the first run of the netdata
2023-09-26 21:01:29	akrawt1	if that matters
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2023-09-26 21:01:50	akrawt1	I dont recall noticing any similar behaviour with other system services before
2023-09-26 21:02:24	akrawt1	well, except may be caddy recently, but that was because I was confused and was running both system service AND through cli
2023-09-26 21:02:47	susi	akrawt1: then it's a realy mystery - could you check you have only one instance of them running, and then do the stop, and then re-check with `pgrep netdata' or whatever 
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2023-09-26 21:03:02	susi	yeah, so you had more than one instance running
2023-09-26 21:03:16	akrawt1	yeah I did that. it happened only once really. other several start/stops worked properly
2023-09-26 21:03:39	akrawt1	more then one thats for caddy, but with not with netdata
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2023-09-26 21:04:17	akrawt1	real mystery yeah ))
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2023-09-26 21:04:47	akrawt1	susi thanks for trying to help tho!
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2023-09-26 21:11:48	teraflops	o/
2023-09-26 21:11:51	Skilt0nElbows	TSA Delta Flight 194 Ad - Be Careful What You Eat before Your Flight!  A TSA public service ad urges air passengers to be mindful of what they eat before their flight to avoid another Delta 194 diarrhea spray incident.  https://justpaste.it/Delta_194_TSA
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2023-09-26 21:12:32	teraflops	Skilt0nElbows: ?
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2023-09-26 21:13:40	Skilt0nElbows	Richard Simmons' Seclusion Story - A Royal Canadian Secret Agent Pedo Sting
2023-09-26 21:13:40	Skilt0nElbows	Richard's Simmons current seclusion is explained telling the story of his trying to meet up with an 11 year-old African refugee child for a kale and cottage cheese enema and sex!  https://justpaste.it/Richard_Simmons_Pedo_Sting_Bust
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2023-09-26 21:14:20	teraflops	que alguien kickkee a este personaje :P
2023-09-26 21:14:30	Skilt0nElbows	Richard Simmons' Seclusion Story - A Royal Canadian Secret Agent Pedo Sting Richard's Simmons current seclusion is explained telling the story of his trying to meet up with an 11 year-old African refugee child for a kale and cottage cheese enema and sex!  https://justpaste.it/Richard_Simmons_Pedo_Sting_Bust
2023-09-26 21:14:32	phrik	Title: Richard Simmons' Seclusion Story - A Royal Canadian Secret Agent Pedo Sting - JustPaste.it (at justpaste.it)
2023-09-26 21:14:40	Skilt0nElbows	Teraflops, te puedo mamar el pito?
2023-09-26 21:14:46	pudgysparrow	wtf? 
2023-09-26 21:14:54	teraflops	mefistofeles: !!!
2023-09-26 21:15:01	mefistofeles	teraflops: !!!
2023-09-26 21:15:10	mefistofeles	lol
2023-09-26 21:15:38	mefistofeles	no tengo op acá
2023-09-26 21:15:47	mefistofeles	no admin rights here :)
2023-09-26 21:15:48	mefistofeles	!ops
2023-09-26 21:15:48	phrik	alad, amcrae, gehidore/man, grawity, heftig, jelle, MrElendig/Mion, Namarrgon, tigrmesh/tigr, wonder/ioni
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2023-09-26 21:16:37	teraflops	heh
2023-09-26 21:16:44	jelle	they are already klined prolly
2023-09-26 21:16:48	teraflops	k-lined eso es artilleria
2023-09-26 21:16:50	mefistofeles	yeah
2023-09-26 21:16:53	teraflops	thanks
2023-09-26 21:17:01	susi	cool, I've been waiting for new stories
2023-09-26 21:17:29	teraflops	oh sorry I thought i was on #archinux-es
2023-09-26 21:17:38	⚡ 	teraflops facedesks
2023-09-26 21:17:42	mefistofeles	teraflops: :)
2023-09-26 21:17:47	mefistofeles	yeah, I had the feeling
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2023-09-26 21:18:33	susi	I've noticed french people seem to think that every channel on libera is french by default
2023-09-26 21:18:50	teraflops	I'm not french
2023-09-26 21:18:55	susi	yeah, not talking about you
2023-09-26 21:19:10	mefistofeles	scandaleux!!
2023-09-26 21:19:15	teraflops	heh
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2023-09-26 22:39:11	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1352 apodos (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1352 regular)
2023-09-26 21:23:27	tijko	Good afternoon
2023-09-26 21:23:48	tijko	Recently switched from SLiM to emptty
2023-09-26 21:24:41	tijko	I cloned the source, built, configured, and installed.  Everything was working fine until just the other day.
2023-09-26 21:26:09	tijko	ahh I think I see what's going on...the Shadow algorithm update
2023-09-26 21:27:13	tijko	I was leaning towards systemd-254-4-2
2023-09-26 21:27:46	tijko	I'm able to switch Virtual Consoles and restart the service and it logins me just fine...
2023-09-26 21:29:28	astralc	rebuild it?
2023-09-26 21:29:46	tijko	I have to dig (grep) my logs again but I'm pretty sure I saw something about one of the files getting blasted; not sure if thats Shadows fault or hard shutdown corruption issue.
2023-09-26 21:32:33	Trel	Ugh, iwlwifi hardware crashed out on the microcode that's been behaving (didn't take out the system this time). I hard booted to be safe, but since 
2023-09-26 21:32:51	Trel	I had to reboot, I'm trying old microcode with current kernel instead of LTS
2023-09-26 21:33:10	Trel	I renamed the newer microcodes for it. So we shall see.
2023-09-26 21:37:48	tijko	astralc I went ahead and rebuilt the binary.  Its a Go project so I'm interested to learn a couple things.
2023-09-26 21:48:57	pudgysparrow	I've got a minidlna server on a raspi attached to my LAN. VLC detects it fine on android and windows devices, but not my Arch box. Googling suggests it's firewalld related on the Arch machine. Anyone know the least permissive change to get it to work?
2023-09-26 21:50:35	Namarrgon	did you set up a firewall on arch?
2023-09-26 21:51:28	Namarrgon	because there isn't one out of the box
2023-09-26 21:52:37	pudgysparrow	Hmm. I guess I must have done, it was quite a while ago and it's my first Arch install
2023-09-26 21:52:45	pudgysparrow	firewalld is running
2023-09-26 21:53:23	nickb	Dealing with GPUs made me feel probably like my 65 yo mom feels about computers in general. At one point things just stopped working and I couldn't figure out why.
2023-09-26 21:54:00	nickb	Is there a good resource on setting up an Optimus laptop with nvidia drivers?
2023-09-26 21:54:12	ugjka	I've set up to allow traffic from lan subnet
2023-09-26 21:57:22	susi	nickb: at least there's: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA_Optimus -- and multitude of other relevant wiki articles
2023-09-26 21:57:23	phrik	Title: NVIDIA Optimus - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-26 21:58:11	nickb	oof. I did that. That was my starting point
2023-09-26 21:58:49	nickb	I was hoping there is a guide that'd hold my hand, as I'm a hair away from just never using this laptop
2023-09-26 21:59:18	nickb	(it's a fancy new work laptop Dell 5470)
2023-09-26 21:59:43	demonicmaniac1	gotta figure out first whether its switchable or definitely optimus only and then it depends on which gen whether nvidia blob can do powersaving or you need to use primusrun etc
2023-09-26 22:00:28	nickb	After one of the steps browser started taking 10 seconds to open and while trying to fix that I somehow nuked xorg such that it doesn't start anymore
2023-09-26 22:01:05	nickb	I'm now looking for energy to start over as I have no more patience to unmess this mess I'm in :-)
2023-09-26 22:01:12	nickb	</rant>
2023-09-26 22:01:19	susi	nickb: that could have been a collide between xdg-desktop-portal and xdg-desktop-portal-gnome
2023-09-26 22:01:32	susi	it's ont that simple in depth, but do you got xdg-desktop-portal-gnome?
2023-09-26 22:01:36	demonicmaniac1	if its brand new you should just do https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PRIME#PRIME_render_offload
2023-09-26 22:01:38	phrik	Title: PRIME - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-26 22:01:40	susi	are you running a gnome?
2023-09-26 22:01:49	nickb	no gnome
2023-09-26 22:01:56	nickb	barebones i3
2023-09-26 22:02:11	susi	do you have xdg-desktop-portal-gnome?
2023-09-26 22:02:15	nickb	demonicmaniac1: that's what I tried to do
2023-09-26 22:02:30	nickb	no susi
2023-09-26 22:02:59	demonicmaniac1	what did you do with xorg then to make it not launch? that doesnt require any xorg conf
2023-09-26 22:04:44	nickb	The only relevant thing I did was to try bumblebee 
2023-09-26 22:05:31	nickb	and then I couldn't undo that. In bumblebee xorg conf Inset the BusID for nvidia gpu and after reboot it died
2023-09-26 22:05:56	nickb	I set*
2023-09-26 22:15:37	tatsumaru	hey guys, I am trying to install a package from aur, but I am getting a key error even after specifically doing gpg recv-key for that key.
2023-09-26 22:15:47	tatsumaru	and refreshing keys
2023-09-26 22:16:33	susi	but have you trust it with --lsign
2023-09-26 22:17:57	tatsumaru	susi: https://paste.rs/fHlHi.txt
2023-09-26 22:17:58	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-09-26 22:18:52	susi	I don't think you should use sudo there
2023-09-26 22:19:22	tatsumaru	susi: no sudo returns 'gpg: key "F806F422E222AA02" not found: No public key'
2023-09-26 22:19:30	susi	you should --recv-key without sudo too
2023-09-26 22:20:17	tatsumaru	susi: ah that made sense, i received the keys for the root 
2023-09-26 22:20:20	tatsumaru	thanks
2023-09-26 22:35:09	tijko	astralc it had a couple of issues affecting things.  I ended up dropped to vconsole again and needed to adjust the confs but its all set.
2023-09-26 22:39:11	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-26 23:10:03	tkna	I followed this link and ran `lsmod | grep virtio` but there is no output. How do I load the kernel module? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KVM#Para-virtualization_with_Virtio
2023-09-26 23:10:05	phrik	Title: KVM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-26 23:10:30	tkna	I could not just fill in `options virtio` in `/etc/modprobe.d/virtio.conf` https://paste.rs/l7ou4
2023-09-26 23:12:37	MrElendig	tkna: uname -r; pacman -Q linux
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2023-09-26 23:13:53	tkna	MrElendig: 6.5.4-arch2-1, linux 6.5.4.arch2-1
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2023-09-27 18:45:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-09-27 18:45:12	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1351 apodos (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1351 regular)
2023-09-27 11:57:11	susi	what may have happened that their keyring got into this state?
2023-09-27 11:57:24	Traneptora	errors: https://0x0.st/HV9u.log
2023-09-27 11:57:25	susi	I always wonder, these seem to be so common issues, yet I never had it
2023-09-27 11:57:34	Traneptora	susi: I didn't touch the keyring so I don't know
2023-09-27 11:57:53	rcf	susi: poor upgrade timing, and also it's gpg so you can't expect it to be usable 
2023-09-27 12:00:23	Traneptora	why would it say "public key of ultimately trusted key not found"
2023-09-27 12:03:40	Traneptora	anyway, I followed the instructions here, and it worked: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/364236/
2023-09-27 12:03:42	phrik	Title: arch linux - Why is pacman-key trying to download the public key for the Pacman Keyring Master Key? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2023-09-27 14:04:18	shanoaice	Hello there, I am having a bit of trouble with cgroup v2, my cpu controller is somehow missing
2023-09-27 14:04:34	grawity	where are you looking?
2023-09-27 14:04:35	shanoaice	$ cat /sys/fs/cgroup/cgroup.controllers
2023-09-27 14:04:36	shanoaice	cpuset io memory hugetlb pids rdma misc
2023-09-27 14:05:26	grawity	that's the file listing *enabled* controllers for the (root) cgroup, IIRC?
2023-09-27 14:05:36	shanoaice	I think so
2023-09-27 14:05:54	grawity	could it be that you have no units with CPU accounting enabled? systemd toggles controllers depending on whether any children need them
2023-09-27 14:06:19	shanoaice	hmm, then let me try enable the k3s service and reboot
2023-09-27 14:06:43	shanoaice	but anyway, is there any parameter where I can simply force enable them even if they are not needed?
2023-09-27 14:06:54	grawity	enable CPU accounting on system.slice or something
2023-09-27 14:07:30	grawity	not sure how that works tbh
2023-09-27 14:09:14	shanoaice	https://man.archlinux.org/man/systemd.resource-control.5
2023-09-27 14:09:14	shanoaice	"In addition, various controllers may be also be enabled explicitly via the MemoryAccounting=/TasksAccounting=/IOAccounting= settings."
2023-09-27 14:09:14	phrik	Title: systemd.resource-control(5) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2023-09-27 14:09:19	shanoaice	doesn't seem to have that option
2023-09-27 14:09:35	shanoaice	also, I am using the TT (Task Type) Scheduler
2023-09-27 14:09:39	shanoaice	would that be relevant?
2023-09-27 14:10:00	MrElendig	uname -r
2023-09-27 14:11:51	shanoaice	6.5.5-2-cachyos-tt-lto
2023-09-27 14:11:59	shanoaice	Base OS is still Arch Linux
2023-09-27 14:12:11	shanoaice	I just used CachyOS's PKGBUILD and build the kernel myself
2023-09-27 14:16:34	Namarrgon	does lto'ing the kernel actually do anything?
2023-09-27 14:16:41	Namarrgon	apart of fattening up the binary
2023-09-27 14:22:26	MrElendig	shanoaice: time to read /proc/config.xz then
2023-09-27 14:22:52	MrElendig	who knows what they do with it
2023-09-27 14:35:22	susi	shanoaice: has TT been nice?
2023-09-27 14:50:47	shanoaice	susi: it is good, at least it is better than eevdf (when it was still 6.3 or something, not sure whether things have changed then)
2023-09-27 14:56:46	jdarnley	Up yours firefox!  4 hours later and it is still checking once per second.
2023-09-27 15:02:56	shanoaice	MrEndig: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/78DDzCY4B7/
2023-09-27 15:02:57	phrik	Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
2023-09-27 15:03:08	shanoaice	MrElendig: nothing seems to be off
2023-09-27 15:03:14	shanoaice	I am kind of comfused
2023-09-27 15:11:26	Namarrgon	have you tried the stock kernel to make sure it's not a kernel issue?
2023-09-27 15:33:19	shanoaice	Namarrgon: stock kernel is fine, may be there is some compilation issue, I will try to use stock config to re-compile and see what could be wrong
2023-09-27 15:33:36	Namarrgon	diff both configs
2023-09-27 15:35:27	shanoaice	I suspect it could be a modprobed-db problem
2023-09-27 15:37:09	erayt	Hello everyone. So I uh... set up Arch Linux using the archinstall script and it got everything
2023-09-27 15:37:18	erayt	except it refuses to install nvidia drivers
2023-09-27 15:38:11	erayt	Did I forgot to enable mirrors in somewhere in the installation?
2023-09-27 15:38:15	grawity	what does it say?
2023-09-27 15:38:40	erayt	I can't remember the command but it listed my MX450 and it's nouveau
2023-09-27 15:41:09	erayt	I used the check up command directly from arch wiki
2023-09-27 15:41:48	Namarrgon	"check up command"?
2023-09-27 15:42:03	Namarrgon	mx450 should be supported by the current nvidia packages
2023-09-27 15:42:03	erayt	I mean finding out what gpu I had
2023-09-27 15:42:27	erayt	just looked it up again, it says:
2023-09-27 15:42:37	erayt	Kernel driver in use: nouveau
2023-09-27 15:42:51	Namarrgon	that's normal since the iso doesn't ship the proprietary drivers
2023-09-27 15:42:53	grawity	are you currently inside archinstall still, or are you now dealing with pacman directly? I mean what kind of "refuse to install" are you seeing
2023-09-27 15:43:19	erayt	No, I completed the installation already and my screen is tearing up
2023-09-27 15:43:55	Namarrgon	you rebooted into the new system already?
2023-09-27 15:44:05	erayt	I installed it twice
2023-09-27 15:44:08	erayt	yes
2023-09-27 15:44:26	Namarrgon	then you can install them the regular way
2023-09-27 15:44:28	grawity	so at this point you'd be installing nvidia packages via pacman
2023-09-27 15:45:08	erayt	Alright, then I'll guess I'll do it after I'm done compiling and installing brave
2023-09-27 15:45:22	erayt	Unless you have a better solution, I'll just follow the wiki.
2023-09-27 15:45:46	grawity	hmm so archinstall does have code for nvidia specifically...
2023-09-27 15:46:01	erayt	I made sure by selecting it twic
2023-09-27 15:46:04	erayt	*twice
2023-09-27 15:46:16	Namarrgon	the errors you got would have been interesting to see
2023-09-27 15:46:38	grawity	can you check with `pacman -Qs nvidia` whether the packages weren't installed at all, or whether they were installed but aren't being used for some reason
2023-09-27 15:46:49	erayt	okay
2023-09-27 15:47:15	erayt	output is local/libvdpau 1.5-2
2023-09-27 15:47:21	erayt	Nvidia VDPAU library
2023-09-27 15:47:26	grawity	so no drivers
2023-09-27 15:47:31	erayt	I suppose so
2023-09-27 15:48:18	erayt	Well I also opted in for awesome wm but I don't think that matters?
2023-09-27 15:48:48	brjl	erayt: It shouldn't
2023-09-27 15:49:52	erayt	I should installed it myself but I don't have the time currently
2023-09-27 15:50:02	erayt	I mean not using the install script
2023-09-27 15:50:16	brjl	erayt: If you don't have the drivers, then you don't have the drivers. What happens when you try to install the nvidia packages?
2023-09-27 15:50:44	erayt	one minute
2023-09-27 15:50:54	erayt	Well, it's downloading rn
2023-09-27 15:51:54	erayt	if it goes well should I report it to wherever it supposed to?
2023-09-27 15:52:17	erayt	like if there's a bug in arch install?
2023-09-27 15:53:15	erayt	it finished
2023-09-27 15:53:19	Namarrgon	you'd have to document the issue, a simple "it doesn't work" in a bugreport does not help
2023-09-27 15:53:55	erayt	Well, if it helps I'll may try to reproduce the thing and somehow record?
2023-09-27 15:54:09	erayt	in a vm, of course.
2023-09-27 15:54:19	Namarrgon	sure
2023-09-27 15:54:38	brjl	erayt: archinstall logs what it does in /var/log/archinstall/install.log -You shouldn't need to record anything
2023-09-27 15:54:59	erayt	let me see
2023-09-27 15:57:25	erayt	Well, it seems to recognize the selection I made
2023-09-27 15:57:53	erayt	But apparently it didn't made an attempt to install the nvidia package
2023-09-27 15:59:14	Namarrgon	it's trying to protect you
2023-09-27 16:01:02	brjl	"Is this trip really necessary?"
2023-09-27 16:01:03	erayt	I see no errors other than maybe something about sway py script
2023-09-27 16:01:24	erayt	Should I send the whole log in a paste bin?
2023-09-27 16:02:15	Namarrgon	sure
2023-09-27 16:02:26	erayt	alright
2023-09-27 16:06:36	erayt	how do I paste
2023-09-27 16:06:44	erayt	in the awesome terminal?
2023-09-27 16:07:01	erayt	https://0x0.st/HVfN.log
2023-09-27 16:07:04	erayt	nvm
2023-09-27 16:07:10	erayt	the log is above
2023-09-27 16:07:33	grawity	either ctrl+shift+v or shift+ins *probably* works for all terminals
2023-09-27 16:08:02	erayt	it was middle mouse button
2023-09-27 16:09:40	brjl	grawity: Isn't shift+ins a universal thing from the VT days?
2023-09-27 16:10:14	erayt	what's VT?
2023-09-27 16:10:33	brjl	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VT100
2023-09-27 16:10:33	phrik	Title: VT100 - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2023-09-27 16:10:44	grawity	brjl: no, I don't think it has anything to do with VTs
2023-09-27 16:11:00	brjl	grawity: Oh. Right. I stand corrected
2023-09-27 16:11:01	grawity	it's the IBM CUA key for pasting
2023-09-27 16:11:15	erayt	Well I'm sorry to say I'm not even a millenial
2023-09-27 16:11:54	brjl	grawity: Oh, so it's much older than the VT100
2023-09-27 16:12:03	erayt	I know some about dumb/video terminals but not the exact models
2023-09-27 16:12:15	grawity	hmm no, the CUA spec is younger
2023-09-27 16:12:22	brjl	younger, I meant
2023-09-27 16:12:28	brjl	Sorry, am hundry
2023-09-27 16:12:32	erayt	Btw we should probably go to off topic
2023-09-27 16:12:37	brjl	So hungry in fact I can't even spell
2023-09-27 16:18:46	shanoaice	susi: Though now I confirmed TT does not work with docker / k8s or virtually anything that requires the cpu cgroup v2 controller
2023-09-27 16:22:34	Namarrgon	optimization successfully failed
2023-09-27 16:24:18	shanoaice	haha, I believe perhaps TT have substituted those cpu controller related components but does not implement the interface, I already filed a issue there
2023-09-27 17:03:22	lazarus477	Anyone here familiar with recent updates causing issues with user logins?
2023-09-27 17:04:52	Scimmia	there's been a couple, usually bad merges with /etc/shells or pam
2023-09-27 17:05:07	Scimmia	pacnew files, I mean
2023-09-27 17:05:14	lazarus477	Yes
2023-09-27 17:05:21	lazarus477	That is exactly what I got.
2023-09-27 17:05:38	lazarus477	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=289034&p=2
2023-09-27 17:05:39	phrik	Title: [Solved] Login no longer possible after shadow update (Page 2) / System Administration / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-09-27 17:05:46	lazarus477	That guy had the same issue.
2023-09-27 17:06:00	lazarus477	Only he did not document the whole solution.
2023-09-27 17:06:20	Scimmia	the solution was to add things back to the shells file that they screwed up
2023-09-27 17:06:30	lazarus477	I had to create a new login from a chroot just to be able to login, as booth my root and regular user pw were locked out.
2023-09-27 17:07:19	lazarus477	Scimmia: Yep. I must have misssed something, looking into it now. I tried by just adding a line: /usr/bin/zsh, but that did not solve the issue.
2023-09-27 17:07:46	Scimmia	is that your user's shell?
2023-09-27 17:08:11	lazarus477	Yes
2023-09-27 17:08:15	lazarus477	It is
2023-09-27 17:08:28	Scimmia	specifically that, not /bin/zsh?
2023-09-27 17:08:42	lazarus477	Aha
2023-09-27 17:09:30	lazarus477	Well, when I run: which zsh, the command only lists /usr/bin/zsh
2023-09-27 17:09:34	lazarus477	let me poke around
2023-09-27 17:09:56	lazarus477	I see I also have /bin/zsh
2023-09-27 17:11:02	Scimmia	check the user, not the filesystem
2023-09-27 17:13:12	lazarus477	Scimmia: Done. Yep, I entered the wrong location, confirmed, should be /bin/zsh.
2023-09-27 17:13:37	lazarus477	Scimmia: I shall correct this and give it a try, then return here to report back.
2023-09-27 17:15:52	lazarus477	Scimmia: Problem solved, login restored :-)
2023-09-27 17:16:34	lazarus477	SchweinDeBurg: Thank you for your help. Really appriciate it.
2023-09-27 17:17:08	lazarus477	Thank you for your help. Really appriciate it.
2023-09-27 17:17:32	Scimmia	np
2023-09-27 17:17:37	Scimmia	oops, too late
2023-09-27 17:59:04	susi	was the problem that they were missing /bin/zsh in /etc/shells?
2023-09-27 18:01:22	Scimmia	yep
2023-09-27 18:06:25	laird	:-)
2023-09-27 18:06:47	jl2	Hi, I use pipes for waybar. Only problem is that the loops reading the pipes don't get cleaned up when I restart sway.
2023-09-27 18:07:49	jl2	I found out that they only get the stray processes when I kill waybar. not with SIGINT
2023-09-27 18:08:22	jl2	 bindsym --locked $mod+Shift+e exec "kill -SIGINT $(ps -aux | grep waybar | head -n -1 | awk '{print $2}'); swaymsg exit"
2023-09-27 18:08:49	jl2	I added that line, but it will leave them
2023-09-27 18:09:16	jl2	It works if I run it from a Terminal
2023-09-27 18:12:24	susi	maybe you'd like to use pgrep from procps-ng
2023-09-27 18:13:29	susi	how do these loops reading the pipes operate?
2023-09-27 18:14:16	susi	it definitely sounds like you shouldn't need to bind such a command, nor execute it anyways
2023-09-27 18:14:30	jl2	while true; do cat [pipe]; done
2023-09-27 18:15:08	susi	maybe add [[ -p [pipe] ]] somewhere, and handling them disappearing, but where do you do this while loopin?
2023-09-27 18:15:49	susi	I'd guess such a loop will continue forever, regardless of the status of [pipe]
2023-09-27 18:15:56	novns	a weird problem.  computer hangs around 00:03 every day, screen is still visible, no reaction to inputs and network
2023-09-27 18:16:21	novns	like something in the kernel started an infinite loop
2023-09-27 18:16:44	Namarrgon	do you have any funny .timers or cron jobs set up?
2023-09-27 18:16:47	novns	at this time starts some daily backup thing
2023-09-27 18:16:58	novns	but it runs ok if started at different time
2023-09-27 18:17:24	Namarrgon	what is in the journal for that period of time?
2023-09-27 18:17:25	susi	jl2: while [[ -p pipe ]]; do ...; done
2023-09-27 18:17:45	jl2	the problem is that the loop is stoped, but the cat command still exists
2023-09-27 18:18:13	novns	Namarrgon, nothing special
2023-09-27 18:19:23	susi	jl2: you should show the whole circumstances of this 'piping', plus my previous message... but if we knew the whole story, probably could offer better suggestions
2023-09-27 18:19:36	novns	Namarrgon, the last line is a regular sshguard report
2023-09-27 18:19:46	susi	novns: systemctl list-timers
2023-09-27 18:19:47	novns	journal is full of these
2023-09-27 18:20:00	susi	is there something that'll run at that time
2023-09-27 18:20:27	novns	susi, nothing special, logrotate, shadow and backup timers
2023-09-27 18:20:33	novns	backup is mine
2023-09-27 18:20:38	susi	but will any of them run at that specific time?
2023-09-27 18:20:42	novns	yes
2023-09-27 18:20:52	susi	ok
2023-09-27 18:21:07	susi	then the problem most likely relies with that task
2023-09-27 18:21:12	jl2	e.g. catching the piped output until the sending command exits, then the cat command exits, then the 'new' cat commands work
2023-09-27 18:21:42	susi	jl2: if nothing else, you could do while [[ -p pipe ]]; do ... done; -- if it is a pipe at all
2023-09-27 18:21:48	susi	jl2: where and how are you piping this waybar?
2023-09-27 18:21:55	novns	susi, it finishes normally when started with explicitly with systemctl
2023-09-27 18:22:07	susi	it what?
2023-09-27 18:22:18	novns	backup.service
2023-09-27 18:22:35	susi	maybe show the contents of this backup.service (systemctl cat backup)
2023-09-27 18:22:36	novns	it's some script with rsync calls
2023-09-27 18:22:56	jl2	echo 'lid open' >pipe (which exits imediatly, exiting the listener too, thus requiring a loop)
2023-09-27 18:22:58	susi	that some script is doing something wrong most likely
2023-09-27 18:23:26	jl2	and waybar execs the above command
2023-09-27 18:23:28	novns	susi, and it was ok for many years, before recent kernel update
2023-09-27 18:23:31	susi	and then there's Restart=on-failure or something in the unit
2023-09-27 18:23:47	novns	!paste
2023-09-27 18:23:48	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-09-27 18:25:16	novns	susi, https://paste.rs/eF20G.txt
2023-09-27 18:25:17	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-09-27 18:25:50	novns	some niceness to make it more backgroundish
2023-09-27 18:26:15	novns	nothing special
2023-09-27 18:26:46	Namarrgon	does it push the back over the network or just locally?
2023-09-27 18:27:00	Namarrgon	maybe comment out all the IO*= knobs and see if that helps
2023-09-27 18:27:34	susi	and maybe check backup_rsync that there's nothing that could infinitely wait/loop
2023-09-27 18:27:41	novns	Namarrgon, it runs ok with  systemctl start backup.service
2023-09-27 18:27:52	novns	susi, some rsync calls there
2023-09-27 18:28:02	susi	yes, obviously
2023-09-27 18:28:19	novns	I've disabled it for now, will check if the system will hang tomorrow
2023-09-27 18:28:56	novns	nvidia drivers were updated recently, and the problem started that day
2023-09-27 18:29:21	novns	and the kernel was updated too
2023-09-27 18:29:34	susi	I'd try changing IO scheduling class to best-effort (that's the default, so could just remove the line too)
2023-09-27 18:29:57	jl2	susi: nvm (for how often I restart sway, I think that's enough effort put into it)
2023-09-27 18:30:24	susi	jl2: can't say anything else with this information, you should have really showed what's happening in the transferring and receiving ends
2023-09-27 18:31:05	novns	Namarrgon, and no, it's rsyncs from a working ssd drive to a big hdd drive
2023-09-27 18:31:19	novns	no network
2023-09-27 18:31:59	susi	if after all it won't fail this night, I'd try removing the scheduling class line at least, and at first
2023-09-27 18:32:05	jl2	-KILL doesn't let waybar clean up its subcommands. too bad sway calls this when exiting. how can I run SIGINT on it if the above sway config line is ignored?
2023-09-27 18:32:25	novns	susi, ok
2023-09-27 18:32:31	novns	thanks
2023-09-27 18:32:43	novns	but it worked for years :)
2023-09-27 18:33:06	mingdao	I've read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-networkd but still confused.  /30
2023-09-27 18:33:08	phrik	Title: systemd-networkd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-27 18:33:47	mingdao	I have this /etc/systemd/network/20-wired.network https://0x0.st/HVf6.network.  It gives eth0 the IP of 192.168.100.4 as soon as I login and issue `ip a`, but to `ping archlinux.org` still takes over a minute.
2023-09-27 18:34:48	Namarrgon	did you set up systemd-resolved up properly?
2023-09-27 18:34:57	mingdao	Is there something else needed to get DNS to work sooner?  192.168.100.1 is my router on this LAN.  It takes just as long if I add "nameserver 4.2.2.1" to /etc/resolv.conf
2023-09-27 18:35:03	mingdao	Namarrgon: I'm not sure, tbh.
2023-09-27 18:35:12	Namarrgon	back to the wiki!
2023-09-27 18:35:38	mingdao	Namarrgon: It looks like I did not https://0x0.st/HVOq.txt
2023-09-27 18:35:39	mingdao	Namarrgon: k
2023-09-27 18:35:40	novns	susi, disks' SMART report are ok
2023-09-27 18:35:41	grawity	mingdao: that's ping trying to make a *reverse-DNS* lookup for IP->domain that's being slow, I would bet
2023-09-27 18:35:56	mingdao	grawity: ping IP   takes the same
2023-09-27 18:35:59	mingdao	iirc
2023-09-27 18:36:11	grawity	yeah I specifically said reverse-DNS
2023-09-27 18:36:21	grawity	"IP->domain" applies even if you ping an IP address
2023-09-27 18:36:38	mingdao	grawity: and archlinux.org is already stored on 192.168.100.1
2023-09-27 18:36:55	grawity	irrelevant -- forward and reverse queries do not share cache entries
2023-09-27 18:37:19	grawity	(I've had a router that *tried* to make them share cache entries, and it fucked things up)
2023-09-27 18:37:33	susi	jl2: you weren't willing to give needed information, but maybe consider using mkfifo 'pipes', which you can also check with [[ -p ... ]]
2023-09-27 18:37:37	grawity	so archlinux.org->IP might be cached but IP->archlinux.org might not necessarily be
2023-09-27 18:37:48	grawity	but more importantly, systemd-resolved might not be querying DNS for it at all
2023-09-27 18:37:55	grawity	could be several reasons for rDNS being slow, but systemd-resolved's shitty mDNS/LLMNR implementation is a good bet, really
2023-09-27 18:38:13	grawity	if you have mDNS support enabled, it's probably waiting on a mDNS query to time out
2023-09-27 18:38:27	grawity	packet capture would be one way to see what's happening, though
2023-09-27 18:38:58	susi	does ping use nss
2023-09-27 18:39:33	novns	ping uses glibs, glibc uses nss
2023-09-27 18:39:38	novns	*glibc
2023-09-27 18:39:38	susi	mingdao: how your hosts line looks in /etc/nsswitch.conf
2023-09-27 18:41:12	jl2	susi: the pipes aren't the problem, they're just the symptom!
2023-09-27 18:41:53	susi	jl2: while true; do cat ...; done is, and I already offered some ideas
2023-09-27 18:42:06	susi	jl2: you could just do while true; do cat cuddoecruhoercudoecruderc; done; and see what happens
2023-09-27 18:42:44	susi	same thing now that you aren't even checkin for the validity of the catted location
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2023-09-27 18:45:20	jl2	I am 100% sure those pipes are damn pipes
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2023-09-27 18:53:08	susi	in my 'bar', I have [[ -p or -f \"$f\" ]] && { ... }, and some set interval (usually 5s), and some external thingie is feeding that file or fifo
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2023-09-27 18:55:16	jl2	In my bar, I have above command for multiple pipe, and some scripts piping their output down those pipes, most of which get triggered by keybinds
2023-09-27 18:55:39	⚡ 	grawity scrolls up
2023-09-27 18:55:53	⚡ 	grawity sees "kill -SIGINT $(ps aux | hell)"
2023-09-27 18:56:01	⚡ 	grawity scrolls back down
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2023-09-27 18:57:24	Foxboron	They are good commands, grawity
2023-09-27 18:57:26	jl2	:D i mean 'while test -p $file; do cat $file; done'
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2023-09-27 18:58:28	grawity	that whole thing could've been a pkill -INT waybar
2023-09-27 18:59:26	grawity	keep in mind that hitting ctrl-c is not the same as kill -INT, though
2023-09-27 18:59:36	grawity	it sends SIGINT to the entire pgrp, not just to a single process
2023-09-27 18:59:55	jl2	hm now it froze
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2023-09-28 04:05:39	gromit	hugo: you mean how you clone all packages? pkgctl repo clone --universe should do that
2023-09-28 04:06:41	hugo	gromit: Sounds like what I'm looking for. Will test it as soon as my system upgrade is complete
2023-09-28 04:06:52	gromit	hugo: whate are you doing tho? 
2023-09-28 04:07:19	hugo	I like to have the PKGBUILD for all packages easily available, with the option of getting their source on demand
2023-09-28 04:07:46	hugo	Useful for figuring out how my system is put together, and makes custom compilations of packages much easier
2023-09-28 04:08:16	gromit	hugo: lemme guess, you are used to gentoo :p
2023-09-28 04:08:47	hugo	I have actually never used Gentoo, but am really curious
2023-09-28 04:09:03	hugo	But I have had to rebuild some packages a few times due to weird bugs
2023-09-28 04:09:10	hugo	(one time it was the linux kernel...)
2023-09-28 04:09:42	hugo	A friend also really likes FreeBSD, and it has its sides 
2023-09-28 04:09:54	gromit	hugo: tbh I think you should do that only on demand and not just hoard all package sources just because 
2023-09-28 04:10:06	gromit	(you can ofc, but I dont see why you should) 
2023-09-28 04:11:54	Scimmia	downloading and syncing thousands of PKGBUILDs because you need one or two occasionally? 
2023-09-28 04:12:46	demonicmaniac1	oh that reminds me
2023-09-28 04:13:26	⚡ 	hugo likes having things offline
2023-09-28 04:13:27	hugo	But I could just clone the repos on demand
2023-09-28 04:14:15	Scimmia	you're not going to have all of the sources offline anyway
2023-09-28 04:15:27	hugo	My old tree, which have a few build packages in it (including linux) is 7.6GB, now an unreasonably size with modern disks
2023-09-28 04:16:03	hugo	Yes, I don't have the sources locally by default, but just being able to see how arch built stuff is worth quite a bit to me. Compile flags are a thing after all
2023-09-28 04:16:37	Scimmia	all of which is easily accessible in gitlab
2023-09-28 04:16:43	⚡ 	hugo just started a pkgctl repo clone --universe
2023-09-28 04:17:01	hugo	Scimmia: Have you heard of offline
2023-09-28 04:17:03	hugo	?
2023-09-28 04:17:27	Scimmia	I have, but it's always out of date so pretty pointless
2023-09-28 04:18:13	hugo	The probability that the version of a package I have installed uses the same compiler flags as the (slightly out of date) package source I have is really high
2023-09-28 04:18:28	Scimmia	Ah, so you just want to assume and hope. Got it
2023-09-28 04:18:38	hugo	It has worked this far ;) 
2023-09-28 04:19:25	hugo	 /aside, my run of pkgctl tried to ssh to gitlab.archlinux.org, meaning that it failed. I should look into this later
2023-09-28 05:26:39	ryzendar	Ah damn! That last netsplit from 3.5 hours ago resulted in being completely disconnected, rip!
2023-09-28 05:28:25	ryzendar	I'm reading the manpage for pacman and I see -e switch for explicitly installed packages, and I want to compile a list of all the packages that I explicitly installed [excluding dependencies] so that I can take note of what they are to install on other machines.
2023-09-28 05:30:00	Scimmia	simple enough
2023-09-28 05:30:44	ryzendar	ah, `pacman -Qe` seems to do what I am looking forf
2023-09-28 05:31:43	Scimmia	adding quiet can get you just the package names if you want to feed the list directly to pacman. There's also the native and foreign options
2023-09-28 06:17:23	ryzendar	I noted a few additional archlinux packages to consider installing, but also I want to search if any of them are dependencies of another package. How can I do this?
2023-09-28 06:34:59	ryzendar	ah found this https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/565949/list-all-packages-that-depend-on-a-certain-package-with-pacman
2023-09-28 06:35:00	phrik	Title: arch linux - List all packages that depend on a certain package with pacman - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2023-09-28 06:42:50	ryzendar	`pacman -Qi aisleriot` shows "Optional Deps:pysolfc-cardsets: PySol card sets" but then incorrectly shows same description in next item "pysolfc: PySol card sets" but pysolfc is a collection of card games, not card sets
2023-09-28 06:45:27	demonicmaniac1	https://archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&q=pysol&maintainer=&last_update=&flagged=&limit=25 does not agree with you
2023-09-28 06:45:29	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2023-09-28 06:46:44	demonicmaniac1	oh it is in the pkgbuild that it's wrong
2023-09-28 06:46:52	demonicmaniac1	ryzendar: make a bugreport
2023-09-28 06:48:02	demonicmaniac1	or not. ryzendar you need both to provide additional cardsets for aisleriot optionally
2023-09-28 06:48:30	demonicmaniac1	the optdepends description here just tells you what the optdepend provides for the package not the description of what the optdepend package is itself
2023-09-28 06:52:00	ryzendar	also I see `pacman -Qi baka-mplayer` optional deps shows youtube-dl, but that doesn't exist anymore, maybe it's in aur?
2023-09-28 06:52:31	ryzendar	I think yt-dlp is replacement
2023-09-28 06:54:59	demonicmaniac1	since it depends on mpv it's very likely it just calls mpv and its yt-dlp
2023-09-28 06:55:15	demonicmaniac1	being over a year old youtube-dl simply still was a thing
2023-09-28 06:55:26	grawity	ln -s /usr/bin/yt-dlp /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl
2023-09-28 06:55:37	grawity	in case it calls that directly
2023-09-28 06:58:45	demonicmaniac1	there's also yt-dlp-dropin in aur which also handles symlinking for python stuff
2023-09-28 06:58:56	demonicmaniac1	when stuff depends on not just the binary
2023-09-28 06:59:19	demonicmaniac1	oh, or not, huh
2023-09-28 06:59:42	demonicmaniac1	it only does /usr/bin/youtube-dl but with /usr/bin/yt-dlp --compat-options youtube-dl "$@" 
2023-09-28 07:25:47	GuiToris	hello, can I mount an android phone (MTP) just as if it were a normal harddisk?
2023-09-28 07:25:58	grawity	sort of but not really
2023-09-28 07:26:04	GuiToris	:'(
2023-09-28 07:26:12	grawity	think of MTP as "FTP or SFTP, only it goes via USB"
2023-09-28 07:26:27	grawity	you *can* mount it as a filesystem via mtpfs or gvfs or other FUSE-based implementations
2023-09-28 07:26:33	GuiToris	I use SFTP but it's slow
2023-09-28 07:26:42	grawity	but it'll always be a little wacky and not quite "a normal harddisk"
2023-09-28 07:27:01	grawity	if you're in GNOME, use its built-in MTP implementation, it's exposed via FUSE
2023-09-28 07:27:03	GuiToris	I am afraid I can't use rsync with MTP or other command line tools
2023-09-28 07:27:40	grawity	you can but it'll be even slower
2023-09-28 07:28:01	grawity	since most of the speed in rsync comes from being able to talk to the remote rsync...
2023-09-28 07:28:26	grawity	are you currently using SFTP to your phone, or from your phone?
2023-09-28 07:28:53	GuiToris	I use KDEConnect which uses sftp
2023-09-28 07:29:42	GuiToris	I thought it would speed up the process if I used USB cable instead of wireless connection
2023-09-28 07:29:49	⚡ 	grawity uses https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=dk.tacit.android.foldersync.full and is happy with it
2023-09-28 07:30:24	grawity	in theory it would speed up the process, yeah – especially if you're currently syncing from wifi to wifi
2023-09-28 07:30:35	GuiToris	thanks, I'll take a look
2023-09-28 07:30:37	grawity	but android's MTP kinda has a reputation of being slow
2023-09-28 07:32:38	grawity	also since you have dropbox.com in your IRC name and all
2023-09-28 07:32:50	grawity	https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ttxapps.dropsync is also good
2023-09-28 07:35:28	GuiToris	I don't have much space on dropbox and now I have to backup everything before take my phone to the service center
2023-09-28 07:35:35	GuiToris	about 200GB
2023-09-28 07:36:11	GuiToris	I backed up many things with rsync, but it was horribly slow
2023-09-28 07:36:47	ryzendar	huh...... `pacman -Qi ecasound` shows optional deps for 2 packages that "[installed]" does not appear at the end of the entries -> 1) "libfaad2: for .aac/.m4a/.mp4 file support" 2) "libfaac: for .aac/.m4a/.mp4 file support"
2023-09-28 07:37:06	GuiToris	I left my computer here and I wanted to make sure everything is ok, so I ran rmlint, and it took another 6 hours
2023-09-28 07:37:32	ryzendar	`pacman -Ss libfaad` shows 1 result: "extra/faad2 2.10.1-1 [installed]" and `pacman -Ss libfaac` shows 1 result: "extra/faac 1.30-4 [installed]"
2023-09-28 07:37:54	ryzendar	both faad2 and faac are installed, so the optional dependencies should appear as installed too!
2023-09-28 07:38:10	grawity	neither of those packages actually are called 'libfaad2' or declare provides for 'libfaad2'
2023-09-28 08:30:17	ryzendar	hmm, kinda interesting maybe, re: youtube-dl mentioned earlier as an Optional Dependency from baka-mplayer package, I see `pacman -Qi haruna` shows optional dependency for yt-dlp [instead of youtube-dl] which is basically the same thing now
2023-09-28 08:32:57	jelle	youtube-dl is basically dead
2023-09-28 08:34:27	demonicmaniac1	realguy: haruna was rebuilt in 2023 when youtube-dl wasnt in repos anymore
2023-09-28 08:34:30	demonicmaniac1	er
2023-09-28 08:34:34	demonicmaniac1	ryzendar: ^
2023-09-28 08:35:01	demonicmaniac1	baka-mplayer wasn't rebuilt after youtube-dl was removed
2023-09-28 08:44:00	AiO	yt-dlp is the best since sliced .... butter
2023-09-28 08:52:47	ryzendar	I'm going through all the optional dependencies of all the packages I installed, `for i in $(pacman -Qeq);do pacman -Qi $i;done|less`, about half-way done
2023-09-28 08:53:42	ryzendar	still working on the laptop for the mom, giving it to her later today [Thursday], but still a bunch of issues/errors I couldn't fix yet https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2120784
2023-09-28 08:53:43	phrik	Title: Dell Alienware M18 R1 AMD / Laptop Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-09-28 08:54:05	ryzendar	there are a few other things not added to the post too
2023-09-28 09:03:54	chrisz	Hi, I'm new to Archlinux, coming from OpenBSD. I need to access partitions defined in a BSD disklabel. How can I check whether the running (default) kernel supports CONFIG_BSD_DISKLABEL?
2023-09-28 09:04:02	grawity	zgrep DISKLABEL /proc/config.gz
2023-09-28 09:04:44	grawity	if it did not, `partx` could read the disklabel in userspace and manually set up partition devices in the kernel accordingly
2023-09-28 09:04:55	grawity	(or `kpartx` could do the same via device-mapper)
2023-09-28 09:05:31	chrisz	grawity: thanks.
2023-09-28 09:05:47	ryzendar	( 6/13) installing emacs-php-mode \n ==> Put this in your /root/.emacs file to enable php-mode autoloading    <---- /root/.emacs should be ~/.emacs
2023-09-28 09:05:53	grawity	`lsblk` to see the partitions that are detected
2023-09-28 09:06:22	ryzendar	same issue for emacs-python-mode 
2023-09-28 09:06:52	ryzendar	as well as wanderlust
2023-09-28 09:07:10	Namarrgon	.install needs more quoting
2023-09-28 09:07:23	grawity	ryzendar: file a bug I guess, the script has $HOME/.emacs and the packager probably didn't realize <<EOF expands variables
2023-09-28 09:14:02	ryzendar	grawity, filing bugs for packages, that would be at https://gitlab.archlinux.org/explore/groups or https://bugs.archlinux.org/? (reading from https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bug_reporting_guidelines)
2023-09-28 09:14:02	phrik	Title: Explore groups · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-09-28 09:16:22	ryzendar	answer: https://bugs.archlinux.org/
2023-09-28 09:16:24	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Bugtracker:: Arch Linux: Tasklist (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-09-28 09:16:56	ryzendar	oh cool, I actually created an account already back in 2018
2023-09-28 09:18:02	grawity	probably eventually on gitlab, but for now still on bugs/flyspray, as far as I know
2023-09-28 09:25:17	ryzendar	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/79805
2023-09-28 09:25:21	phrik	Title: FS#79805 : [emacs-php-mode/emacs-python-mode/wanderlust] /root/.emacs should appear as ~/.emacs post-install (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-09-28 09:56:28	ryzendar	Firewall front-end to be used by a senior/elder beginner linux user, which of these two: firewalld or ufw
2023-09-28 09:58:02	ryzendar	ah, I'll just install both
2023-09-28 09:58:19	ryzendar	also gufw 
2023-09-28 10:35:59	ryzendar	ah bummer, I can't install mesa-demos -> mesa-demos: /usr/bin/linktest exists in filesystem (owned by haskell-tidal-link)
2023-09-28 10:42:14	kode54	that sounds like a bug
2023-09-28 10:42:26	kode54	for either/or package(s)
2023-09-28 10:45:07	grawity	chrisz: does it detect a different overlapping label or something? i.e. maybe you need to delpart the GPT container partition first
2023-09-28 10:48:33	grawity	try kpartx (from 'multipath-tools') as an alternative, it should have the same support but it sets up kernel device-mapper devices instead of regular partitions
2023-09-28 10:51:27	chrisz	grawity: Indeed. All OpenBSD partitions are inside the GPT partition. ... That's the way its meant to be.
2023-09-28 10:53:46	grawity	right, but I suspect the kernel's support predates GPT usage there
2023-09-28 10:54:57	chrisz	grawity: OK. This worked. After deleting the OpenBSD container partition from the kerner I could add one of the subpartitions using addpart with offset and length.
2023-09-28 10:55:52	grawity	previously I believe the BSD disklabel just went on the whole disk, and that's what linux currently expects
2023-09-28 10:56:14	chrisz	It's a pity I cannot just run partx -a - /dev/nvmen1p4 since nvmen1p4 is gone now.
2023-09-28 10:56:23	grawity	there are two workarounds
2023-09-28 10:56:46	grawity	a) as mentioned, kpartx (devmapper based – it won't care about overlaps)
2023-09-28 10:56:52	grawity	b) losetup -P
2023-09-28 10:56:59	chrisz	No, BSD disklabels always go along a MBR with at least a protective whole disk container partition.
2023-09-28 10:57:46	grawity	aha
2023-09-28 10:58:05	grawity	that explains why the linux BSD_DISKLABEL code is inside partitions/msdos.c
2023-09-28 10:58:20	grawity	it's MBR-specific
2023-09-28 10:59:24	chrisz	On my other laptop a Debian linux recognizes the BSD partitions just fine. But this is an old machine without GPT. Just good old MBR and BIOS. Probably the linux GPT and DISKLABEL code is incompatible?
2023-09-28 10:59:41	grawity	yeah
2023-09-28 10:59:47	chrisz	Ah, thats it!
2023-09-28 10:59:57	grawity	it all lives inside the MBR partition parser, and is triggered by a specific MBR parttype
2023-09-28 11:00:05	grawity	there's no equivalent in partitions/efi.c
2023-09-28 11:00:19	chrisz	The MBR partition table at the moment is just a protective MBR with no valid entries.
2023-09-28 11:00:59	chrisz	So maybe if I add the OpenBSD partition to the MBR, too it might trigger the kernel to parse the BSD disklabel.
2023-09-28 11:59:15	erayt	Uh... does anyone know how do I reconfigure pipewire after installing bluetooth?
2023-09-28 11:59:44	grawity	normally you don't need to
2023-09-28 12:00:46	erayt	nvm got it already
2023-09-28 12:01:27	erayt	Thanks for the answer anyway.
2023-09-28 12:02:51	carpenter	do you know if Arch is supported on WSL2 ?
2023-09-28 12:03:10	Namarrgon	not officially
2023-09-28 12:03:21	Namarrgon	it works, though, if you want to try it anyway
2023-09-28 12:05:53	MrElendig	wonder if those bootleg chinese builds are still up
2023-09-28 12:06:25	Namarrgon	yeah, don't use the images from the store
2023-09-28 12:07:14	Namarrgon	you can wsl --import an fs-tree you created yourself
2023-09-28 12:07:21	grawity	brings back memories of running Arch under coLinux
2023-09-28 12:09:54	Foxboron	MrElendig: They got removed and they revamped the collab program
2023-09-28 12:32:24	erayt	Hello, my audio is having tons of noises and stutering glitches after a few seconds of normal
2023-09-28 12:36:06	erayt	Is it because of media session instead of wireplumber?
2023-09-28 13:36:08	rcf	chrisz: beware that Linux cannot handle OpenBSD's extended disklabel format, so any filesystems beyond 2TB will be horribly broken even if the main partitioning scheme is GPT. 
2023-09-28 13:42:31	adeliktas	how can i run xmodmap on boot or start of gnome-DE? I tried (for user and root) adding "xmodmap /home/user/.Xmodmap" to crontab, bashrc and Gnome-autostart but nothing runs it
2023-09-28 13:43:22	adeliktas	i also tried conf files in /etc
2023-09-28 13:46:09	adeliktas	changes done in /etc/X11/xinit/.Xmodmap and /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc and 
2023-09-28 13:50:07	susi	I run all x* tools in ~/.xinitrc; I'd assume your DM feeds it to xinit or executes/sources it
2023-09-28 13:53:33	moviuro	Hi all, I have: Sep 28 13:50:44 houndsditch kernel: amdgpu 0000:01:00.0: [drm:amdgpu_ring_test_helper [amdgpu]] *ERROR* ring kiq_2.1.0 test failed (-110) in dmesg/journalctl -k; and https://x0.at/uUVp.log as Xorg.0.log; how bad is it? Nothing graphical seems to work, I removed all extraneous repos (ALHP), downgraded all packages back to "stock" arch...
2023-09-28 14:00:03	moviuro	current kernel is 6.1.52-1-lts; same issue with 6.5.3-zen1-1-zen
2023-09-28 14:06:32	susi	moviuro: do you have the corresponding /lib/modules/${kernel}
2023-09-28 14:10:25	moviuro	yes: https://x0.at/IJCH.txt
2023-09-28 14:14:00	Namarrgon	adeliktas: are you using the wayland or x11 session for gnome?
2023-09-28 14:15:43	susi	moviuro: do you see your graphics controller in `lspci -k' output
2023-09-28 14:16:05	adeliktas	Namarrgon x11
2023-09-28 14:17:18	Namarrgon	adeliktas: are you sure? does the command work when you run it manually from gnome-terminal?
2023-09-28 14:17:59	adeliktas	yes and the command works when run manually
2023-09-28 14:18:43	susi	GDM seems to use ~/.xsession
2023-09-28 14:19:01	susi	so put your stuff in ~/.xsession or ln -s .xinitrc .xsession
2023-09-28 14:20:03	susi	or did so 10 years ago, don't know what happens now
2023-09-28 14:21:06	moviuro	susi: yes https://x0.at/DpYZ.txt
2023-09-28 14:21:37	adeliktas	susi that did not work either
2023-09-28 14:25:18	susi	maybe ~/.xprofile then :-)
2023-09-28 14:26:50	susi	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xprofile
2023-09-28 14:26:50	phrik	Title: xprofile - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-28 14:27:18	susi	but it also says that ~/.xinitrc should be executed by GDM
2023-09-28 14:27:27	Strykar	the solution for passim service failing to start was to force avahi installation?
2023-09-28 14:27:41	jelle	Strykar: it requires avahi so yes
2023-09-28 14:28:29	Strykar	jelle: does it really, I seem to have misread the bug report then
2023-09-28 14:28:36	jelle	it does
2023-09-28 14:29:50	jelle	or 
2023-09-28 14:29:52	jelle	We'll assume that any network with working mDNS (as implemented in Avahi) is good enough to get metadata from other peers. If Avahi is not running, or mDNS is turned off on the firewall then no files will be shared.
2023-09-28 14:33:17	krumelmonster	Hello. I use dunst for notifications on my i3 desktop. However I don't see how to "answer" notifications that prompt a question (like the "approve"/"deny" in this image https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/52513/53316061-32725f80-387b-11e9-8476-36207606db58.png ). Is there a standalone notification daemon that supports those or is it just that my dunst config is messed up?
2023-09-28 14:35:16	susi	that looks like the browser's asking the question
2023-09-28 14:38:05	moviuro	https://x0.at/YSeq.txt <- kernel (crash) log
2023-09-28 14:38:44	krumelmonster	I don't think so susi I receive the notification too but it looks like so https://i.imgur.com/CNQy4L4.png
2023-09-28 14:40:44	susi	moviuro: so when this started? have you went through https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AMDGPU
2023-09-28 14:40:45	phrik	Title: AMDGPU - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-28 14:41:27	moviuro	susi: this started today, the machine used to work fine (I was away for 2 weeks prior, boot, update, reboot, broken)
2023-09-28 14:42:53	moviuro	my mirrors look like they are broken though, I'll update again, reboot, see what happens
2023-09-28 14:43:18	adeliktas	i tried creating a user service and enabled it on boot. xmodmap fails at boot/autostart because it doesnt have a display.
2023-09-28 14:43:18	adeliktas	Started Run xmodmap on user session start.
2023-09-28 14:43:18	adeliktas	... xmodmap[1667]: /usr/bin/xmodmap:  unable to open display ''
2023-09-28 14:44:22	moviuro	adeliktas: while ! DISPLAY=:0 xrandr >/dev/null; do sleep 1; done
2023-09-28 14:44:42	KitsuWhooa	Random guess, but have you tried physically power cycling the machine? It looks like the GPU is not responding (so maybe it's stuck in a bad state?)
2023-09-28 14:45:43	moviuro	KitsuWhooa: this will cause so much extra wear on my slippers!... I'll try that
2023-09-28 14:46:27	KitsuWhooa	heh
2023-09-28 14:47:27	moviuro	hmm, I'll try turning the PSU off too
2023-09-28 14:49:17	krumelmonster	this is in fact dunst doing it and it can even answer these prompts, I just had broken dmenu. Now that it's fixed I can answer by middle-clicking the notification. Sadly, dusnt keyboard shortcuts seem broken
2023-09-28 14:50:57	rcf	krumelmonster: the yes/no prompts usually worked for me. The issue was always the numeric prompts when, say, pairing a bluetooth device. 
2023-09-28 14:53:51	adeliktas	moviuro like this? https://bpa.st/I3LQ Can't open display :0 ... unable to open display ''
2023-09-28 14:53:51	phrik	Title: View paste I3LQ (at bpa.st)
2023-09-28 14:55:01	moviuro	adeliktas: yes, you might want to add Envrionment=DISPLAY=:0 in the service, and deal with job counter/timeout
2023-09-28 14:55:15	moviuro	If you just need it to run *once*, look into Restart= and RestartSec=
2023-09-28 14:58:07	j0hannes	I'm experiencing problems with the archlinux-keyring; it seems that I've lost trust in most people:
2023-09-28 14:58:10	j0hannes	error: gperftools: signature from "Antonio Rojas <arojas@archlinux.org>" is unknown trust
2023-09-28 14:58:13	j0hannes	error: gperftools: signature from "Antonio Rojas <arojas@archlinux.org>" is unknown trust
2023-09-28 14:58:39	j0hannes	I see this for about every package that I want to update
2023-09-28 14:58:54	krumelmonster	he, worked it out. dunst doesn't support keyboard shortcuts directly anymore (wouldn't make much sense with wayland anyway I guess), instead I had to configure those shortcuts in i3 for dunstctl
2023-09-28 14:58:57	j0hannes	I already did "pacman-key --refresh-keys
2023-09-28 14:59:02	j0hannes	" to no avail
2023-09-28 14:59:14	moviuro	susi: KitsuWhooa: machine still broken :( amdgpu bug
2023-09-28 14:59:24	KitsuWhooa	Looks like it, yeah
2023-09-28 14:59:30	gromit	!give j0hannes fixkeyring1
2023-09-28 14:59:30	phrik	j0hannes: Is that… Is that really a word?
2023-09-28 14:59:33	gromit	!give j0hannes fixkeyring
2023-09-28 14:59:34	phrik	j0hannes: Your keyring issue would be probably fixed by: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
2023-09-28 15:00:18	NetSysFire	its also in the /topic
2023-09-28 15:00:28	moviuro	j0hannes: rm -r /etc/pacman.d/gnupg && pacman-key --init && pacman-key --populate && pacman-key --refresh
2023-09-28 15:01:49	KitsuWhooa	moviuro: one last thing you can check for is to see if there are any firmware related errors (I assume it'd be more obvious if it couldn't load the firmware, but shrug)
2023-09-28 15:01:58	KitsuWhooa	*firmware load related errors
2023-09-28 15:02:10	j0hannes	phrik: yeah, but "error: archlinux-keyring: signature from "Christian Hesse <eworm@archlinux.org>" is unknown trust"
2023-09-28 15:02:10	phrik	j0hannes: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
2023-09-28 15:02:28	j0hannes	sorry, gromit :)
2023-09-28 15:05:08	moviuro	KitsuWhooa: no firmware file in the .img file (though I boot with efistub)
2023-09-28 15:05:46	KitsuWhooa	amdgpu still needs to load the firmware from somewhere though when bringing the card up
2023-09-28 15:05:55	moviuro	lsinitcpio /boot/initramfs-linux-zen.img|grep firmware # 1
2023-09-28 15:06:09	gromit	!give j0hannes fixkeyring2
2023-09-28 15:06:10	KitsuWhooa	I was thinking more dmesg | grep drm
2023-09-28 15:06:10	phrik	j0hannes: If your keyring issue hasn't been fixed yet, try: rm -rf /etc/pacman.d/gnupg && pacman-key --init && pacman-key --populate && pacman-key --refresh-keys
2023-09-28 15:06:17	moviuro	that firmware is still available on disk
2023-09-28 15:07:18	moviuro	https://x0.at/8uSO <- dmesg | grep '\[drm'
2023-09-28 15:07:40	KitsuWhooa	yeah, seems fine
2023-09-28 15:08:05	adeliktas	moviuro thanks i got it to work with Restart=always RestartSec=3
2023-09-28 15:08:43	KitsuWhooa	16:07:40 <KitsuWhooa> yeah, seems fine <-- most likely a bug then
2023-09-28 15:11:46	j0hannes	gromit: moviuro: thanks, problem solved!
2023-09-28 15:12:11	gromit	j0hannes: \o/ great!
2023-09-28 15:30:59	susi	why is it that whenever anyone got a keyring issue, it's always eworm's keys?
2023-09-28 15:32:33	susi	adeliktas: if I were you, I'd rather run those commands on X init and not like that; you could have tried adding `touch foo' etc. to .xinitrc, .xsession, .xprofile
2023-09-28 15:34:03	Scimmia	susi: because they signed the keyring package
2023-09-28 15:34:37	Scimmia	so they run into that when trying to fix it
2023-09-28 15:34:59	Scimmia	all keys are untrusted
2023-09-28 15:49:05	raster	adeliktas: you almost definitely do not want system services having anything to do with running x clients. you dont know the DISPLAY you need to connect to - you don't know if you even have xauth authority to connect. x may start at any point, may exit at any point etc. - these kinds of things belong in appropriate session handling. if its your login session then its a job of your .xinitrc, your
2023-09-28 15:49:05	raster	wm/de or systemd user session to deal with. if its 
2023-09-28 15:49:05	raster	your login manager then its in its domain to handle this however it needs to (invariably if it's old school it can run some commands when it starts that will run once x is up and have DISPLAY env set right, or maybe have a login session of its very own )
2023-09-28 16:05:57	moviuro	https://x0.at/bsYq.log <- doesn't even mention amdgpu...? Even with https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AMDGPU#Xorg_configuration
2023-09-28 16:05:58	phrik	Title: AMDGPU - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-28 16:11:31	susi	moviuro: it says 26 Sep 2023 
2023-09-28 16:11:39	susi	as a date of running that
2023-09-28 16:12:00	moviuro	so Xorg might be so broken that it doesn't even run
2023-09-28 16:12:03	moviuro	awesome
2023-09-28 16:12:30	susi	oh sorry, nvm that, it's not the date of running
2023-09-28 16:13:34	adeliktas	susi i did try that without success
2023-09-28 16:13:50	moviuro	you're somewhat right, I tried restarting it, nothing gets written to Xorg.0.log
2023-09-28 16:14:30	susi	adeliktas: that what? you put `touch somefilename' to all those files, and logout and re-login, and no somefilename appeared?
2023-09-28 16:15:16	adeliktas	i tested which ones do get called by X init but running the command with them did nothing so that was a pointless endevaour
2023-09-28 16:15:50	susi	which ones did get executed?
2023-09-28 16:18:42	susi	or sourced
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2023-09-28 17:17:50	grinja	hmm, started from terminal and it works now, will check environment vars for electron, could be something about it
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2023-09-29 00:31:53	joel135	i have vmlinuz-linux now
2023-09-29 00:31:56	joel135	so i will reboot
2023-09-29 00:35:15	joel135	spoke too soon
2023-09-29 00:35:28	joel135	still can't find vmlinuz-linux
2023-09-29 00:40:22	joel135	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/GVRbGpmQ/pacman-linux.txt
2023-09-29 00:40:23	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2023-09-29 00:41:06	joel135	i don't get it. now there is vmlinuz-linux so it should be there when i reboot right?
2023-09-29 00:41:28	Namarrgon	is the ESP mounted?
2023-09-29 00:41:58	joel135	yes according to mount in ubuntu
2023-09-29 00:42:14	joel135	> /dev/nvme0n1p2 on /mnt/root type ext4 (rw,relatime)
2023-09-29 00:42:14	joel135	> /dev/nvme0n1p1 on /mnt/root/boot type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro)
2023-09-29 00:42:49	joel135	there is no `(!)` in gparted anymore btw
2023-09-29 00:43:36	Namarrgon	umount /mnt/root/boot and check /mnt/root/boot again
2023-09-29 00:44:57	joel135	hmm target busy for some reason
2023-09-29 00:45:06	joel135	nvm
2023-09-29 00:45:32	joel135	ok it's still there
2023-09-29 00:45:42	joel135	which is bad i guess
2023-09-29 00:46:08	Namarrgon	are you cd'ed into that directory?
2023-09-29 00:46:10	joel135	`initramfs-linux-fallback.img  initramfs-linux.img  vmlinuz-linux` is still in /mnt/root/boot
2023-09-29 00:46:16	joel135	yes i was
2023-09-29 00:46:23	Namarrgon	get out and then umount it
2023-09-29 00:46:26	joel135	but i got it unmounted now
2023-09-29 00:46:40	joel135	the added files are still there after umounting ^
2023-09-29 00:46:53	Namarrgon	did you double-check that the fs is no longer mounted?
2023-09-29 00:47:28	joel135	yes, mount only reports `/dev/nvme0n1p2 on /mnt/root type ext4 (rw,relatime)` now
2023-09-29 00:47:42	joel135	not nvme p1
2023-09-29 00:47:46	Namarrgon	clean out /mnt/root/boot, mount the esp again and reinstall the kernel and ucode package
2023-09-29 00:49:46	lucenera	What is it that tells mount to mount the EFI partition in VFAT with the errors=remount-ro option?
2023-09-29 00:50:40	joel135	at least my /mnt/root/etc/fstab says `UUID=6EC7-02F1      	/boot     	vfat      	rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro	0 2`
2023-09-29 00:51:48	joel135	ok so `pacman -S linux linux-firmware intel-ucode`
2023-09-29 00:53:12	joel135	ah now it's indeed empty after umounting
2023-09-29 00:53:46	joel135	so this time it should work when i reboot, right?
2023-09-29 00:55:05	joel135	writing this from arch
2023-09-29 00:55:08	joel135	it worked
2023-09-29 00:55:24	joel135	now i will figure out how to reinstall everything
2023-09-29 00:57:06	joel135	thanks for all your help
2023-09-29 00:57:26	joel135	now i know that chroot is pretty easy to use from ubuntu
2023-09-29 01:21:05	joel135	btw it's normal to have 2468 packages installed right? xD
2023-09-29 01:22:28	Eisenhans	964
2023-09-29 01:22:50	Eisenhans	you're absolutely excessive :D
2023-09-29 01:23:33	Namarrgon	lucenera: if you didn't specify any and there aren't any listed in fstab then those are the defaults
2023-09-29 01:30:06	lucenera	But the defaults in what files are they in? Where is it specified?
2023-09-29 01:31:32	lucenera	And is a default option normal? 
2023-09-29 01:33:09	Namarrgon	lucenera: the built-in defaults, there is no config
2023-09-29 01:33:36	lucenera	rw,relatime,umask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=ascii,shortname=mixed,utf8,flush,noatime 0 0 these are my options, but when I look at mount there is also the errors=remount-ro option.
2023-09-29 01:34:07	lucenera	Built in what?
2023-09-29 01:34:19	Namarrgon	"man mount"
2023-09-29 01:37:18	lucenera	Thanks, understood that for that type of file system it is the default option. And is it normal that VFAT does not preserve the dates and bring back the /boot folder (mountpoint of the EFI partition) changed to January 1970?
2023-09-29 01:38:55	Namarrgon	no, that's not normal
2023-09-29 01:41:36	Namarrgon	or do you mean just the root of the filesystem but all other mtimes are fine?
2023-09-29 02:18:51	⚡ 	topcat001 707 packages
2023-09-29 03:59:01	ugga-the-caveman	hi, i saw this message as i was updating my system: /etc/shells installed as /etc/shells.pacnew  i have looked inside the 2 files and they differ. now i dont know what to do
2023-09-29 04:07:07	Scimmia	ugga-the-caveman: you merge the changes, same as any .pacnew file
2023-09-29 04:07:36	ugga-the-caveman	allright, thanks =)
2023-09-29 04:08:17	mpan	ugga-the-caveman: see `man shells` for details on this particular one.
2023-09-29 04:09:10	Scimmia	yeah, whatever you do, don't remove your user's login shell
2023-09-29 04:09:27	Scimmia	somehow, that's something people do
2023-09-29 04:14:10	ugga-the-caveman	the only shell that is in my old /etc/shells that is not in /etc/shells.pacnew  is /usr/bin/git-shell  so i just append that to the ne /etc/shells.
2023-09-29 04:15:59	Scimmia	that works, yes
2023-09-29 06:07:50	ryzenda	What are these ACPI BIOS Errors showing in journalctl: https://0x0.st/HVgT.txt starting with "ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Could not resolve symbol [\_SB.PCI0.LPC0.EC0], AE_NOT_FOUND (20230331/dswload2-162)" ?
2023-09-29 06:26:13	andreyv	ryzenda: It's a bug in your computer's firmware. Check if a firmware update is available.
2023-09-29 07:07:46	lucenera	Namarrgon Exactly this. Filesystem Jan 1970 and all files on it with the correct date.
2023-09-29 09:17:02	low-key	how to pick between powertop and tlp?
2023-09-29 09:17:41	jelle	they aren't really the same but these days the out of the box savings should be good
2023-09-29 09:18:05	jelle	powertop has a nice interactive mode
2023-09-29 09:22:41	low-key	i remember reading that both shouldn't be used together
2023-09-29 09:31:38	ryzenda	`journalctl` shows hundreds of lines of "previews_creator[1943]: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.Mutter.IdleMonitor was not provided by any .service files" -- I'm gonna take a break before I look at this in detail some more. It's probably a simple fix, but I need some kool fresh air [kfa] for now, or is it afk? I forget 
2023-09-29 09:32:59	ryzenda	low-key, oh, and I also saw some tlp error appear in `journalctl -m` and I was reading through https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/TLP but didn't set it up yet.
2023-09-29 09:33:00	phrik	Title: TLP - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-29 09:33:48	ryzenda	I'm not sure what to use, tlp, something else, or just leave the Dell Alienware M18 R1 AMD laptop without any of those softwares
2023-09-29 10:09:54	srijan	There might be an alienware linux community somewhere with more specific recommendations 
2023-09-29 10:33:35	ryzenda	Why is `journalctl -m -f` showing every 5-15 seconds repeated line "wpa_supplicant[1278]: wlan0: CTRL-EVENT-REGDOM-CHANGE init=DRIVER type=COUNTRY alpha2=US" ? Does this need to be repeated so often?
2023-09-29 10:35:14	grawity	it repeats as often as wpa_supplicant receives the event
2023-09-29 10:35:25	grawity	which, normally, I'd expect to be only once per ssid connection really
2023-09-29 10:35:50	grawity	are there any other kinds of adjacent events before it?
2023-09-29 10:38:36	tetsumaki	!paste
2023-09-29 10:38:37	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-09-29 10:42:39	baltazar	hi! how would one make an aur package if the url doesn't contain the version of the software, but always points to the latest version?
2023-09-29 10:43:33	gromit	baltazar: what software? 
2023-09-29 10:44:46	krumelmonster	very often, both types of urls exist
2023-09-29 10:44:53	grawity	baltazar: somewhat depends on the specific situation
2023-09-29 10:45:08	grawity	you could do it as usual, and keep updating as soon as you notice a new version... unless you specifically want old versions to still be buildable
2023-09-29 10:49:03	gromit	baltazar: but generally it would also be possible to have something like "softwarename-latest", where you infer the version in pkgver from something
2023-09-29 10:49:25	gromit	baltazar: thats not usual tho
2023-09-29 10:49:40	grawity	well, it's an option, not too different from -git style packages
2023-09-29 10:50:22	grawity	I've packaged a thing that was often rebuilt while keeping the same version... it had an apt-get repo, so the pkgbuild always got the "current" version and read the sha1sum out of the repo's metadata for verification
2023-09-29 10:51:17	baltazar	it's mixing-station: https://mixingstation.app/
2023-09-29 10:51:18	phrik	Title: Mixing Station (at mixingstation.app)
2023-09-29 10:52:13	baltazar	I'm investigating though, as I've noticed that the app itself checks for updates, I'm checking what request it makes to find out the version
2023-09-29 10:52:26	grawity	well, do it "-git" style
2023-09-29 10:52:55	grawity	use the "latest" URL and have a pkgver() that somehow determines the version from the .zip or .debg contents
2023-09-29 10:54:43	ryzenda	grawity, https://i.imgur.com/TBKGL9G.png
2023-09-29 10:55:06	grawity	NetworkManager *and* dhcpcd?
2023-09-29 10:56:03	ryzenda	haha, that probably explains it. I'll check history of package installations and fix that
2023-09-29 10:56:49	grawity	well, NM supports using dhcpcd as its DHCP client
2023-09-29 10:56:59	grawity	(as long as it's started *by* NM and not separately)
2023-09-29 10:57:11	grawity	but I don't really see the advantage over NM's built-in client
2023-09-29 10:57:25	grawity	does not really look like it's the problem, though
2023-09-29 10:57:26	ryzenda	September 11th I installed dhcpcd and 7 minutes later NetworkManager, lol I dunno what I was doing I guess
2023-09-29 11:01:50	ryzenda	Also dhcpcd.service was enabled and running. I disabled it and stopped it. NetworkManager is also enabled and running still.
2023-09-29 11:05:48	ryzenda	hmmm, I see the line appear a few times still, but not as frequently anymore
2023-09-29 11:08:45	baltazar	hmm, and should I just have SKIP in sha256sums?
2023-09-29 11:11:21	ryzenda	Maybe is there some conflicts between NetworkManager and wpa_supplicant also?
2023-09-29 11:12:16	ryzenda	wpa_supplicant.service is disabled, but it's running of course
2023-09-29 11:13:00	baltazar	grawity: and are there any naming conventions for such packages?
2023-09-29 11:15:01	ryzenda	note that package wireless-regdb is installed
2023-09-29 11:15:28	ryzenda	I probably should uninstall that because I doubt the laptop will ever travel into any other country
2023-09-29 11:17:19	MrElendig	no you should not
2023-09-29 11:17:53	MrElendig	breaking your local regulatory laws is just as bad as breaking them abroad
2023-09-29 11:18:21	MrElendig	(and depending on country, without it you might not get access to all the wifi channels)
2023-09-29 11:19:05	MrElendig	e.g. dfs channels
2023-09-29 11:20:26	MrElendig	hmm, I should probably fix the wiki bit about it
2023-09-29 11:20:39	MrElendig	the bit about misconfiguration
2023-09-29 11:34:43	rcf	Every time someone breaks the laws through configuration, governments get a little closer to demanding that all NICs refuse to communicate with anything but a signed binary driver. 
2023-09-29 11:40:00	Namarrgon	lucenera: touching the root directory of an ~old esp reset all timestamps to 1.1.1970, so something changed
2023-09-29 11:41:35	lucenera	?
2023-09-29 11:44:04	forccon_	Hello. Where can I find old chromium packages distributed by Archlinux?
2023-09-29 11:44:15	Namarrgon	!ala
2023-09-29 11:44:16	phrik	Let's flip through it to hunt our lovely bugs: <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_Archive>. The Arch Linux Archive itself can be browsed at <https://archive.archlinux.org/>.
2023-09-29 11:50:42	lucenera	Namarrgon I don't understand what you mean.
2023-09-29 11:52:03	Namarrgon	the handling of vfat root's timestamps has changed at some point
2023-09-29 12:16:22	MrElendig	forccon_: why?
2023-09-29 12:16:49	forccon_	MrElendig, wanted to check something...
2023-09-29 12:37:04	archie3245243	I installed python-selenium, geckodriver, firefox. driver = webdriver.Firefox() still says selenium.common.exceptions.NoSuchDriverException
2023-09-29 13:48:58	lucenera	https://clbin.com/3WH3y every time I reboot the EFI partition it reveals this error. What problems does Linux have with FAT32?
2023-09-29 13:49:56	jelle	do you dual boot?
2023-09-29 13:50:14	lucenera	No.
2023-09-29 13:50:45	lucenera	'/boot for UEFI in FAT32. Arch only.
2023-09-29 13:52:38	Namarrgon	this is harmless, just pick 1) or 2) to make it shut up
2023-09-29 13:55:32	lucenera	Actually 2 does not eliminate the dirty bit, but then the problem is still there.
2023-09-29 13:55:55	Namarrgon	dirty bit?
2023-09-29 13:55:58	lucenera	So mountpoint in January 1970 and always "corrupted" partition: great!
2023-09-29 14:00:55	lucenera	https://imgur.com/a/gaIgF9v
2023-09-29 14:00:57	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2023-09-29 14:03:50	lucenera	systemd-vconsole-setup[183]: /usr/bin/setfont failed with exit status 71.
2023-09-29 14:05:23	lucenera	Another annoying thing.
2023-09-29 14:07:44	Namarrgon	wait, do you see the fsck on boot or only when you run fsck on the fs?
2023-09-29 14:08:21	lucenera	Result at the time of loading the font when the PIN entry of the LUKS token appears sometimes the font is loaded only to return immediately to default, sometimes it is changed correctly.
2023-09-29 14:08:46	lucenera	When I run fsck on the fs.
2023-09-29 14:09:12	lucenera	https://clbin.com/6kKoz
2023-09-29 14:10:07	lucenera	I disabled the control on /boot from fstab.
2023-09-29 14:11:37	lucenera	Plus on reboot in journalctl I always saw an error: /boot not disassembled properly, corrupted filesystem and booting fsck. So I created a custom drive that starts before reboot and shutdown, which disassembles /boot and runs fsck, then reboots or shuts down.
2023-09-29 14:11:46	lucenera	*umount
2023-09-29 14:11:56	lucenera	*start fsck
2023-09-29 14:12:25	lucenera	Those strange wordings are the fault of DeepL.
2023-09-29 14:14:46	lucenera	I also tried deleting the partition and creating it again with no results. Everything remained unchanged.
2023-09-29 14:22:49	ayushnix	I'm using "aur fetch" to download a package from the AUR and I can't get the git repo of the package to get downloaded on a specific path.
2023-09-29 14:23:24	ayushnix	I explicitly set AUR_ROOT and AURDEST before using "aur fetch package" but it still downloads the package in the pwd.
2023-09-29 14:23:56	ayushnix	this is when using the aurutils AUR helper
2023-09-29 14:28:39	Khorne	ayushnix, #aurutils or the bug tracker for it
2023-09-29 14:34:07	ayushnix	Khorne: got it, thanks
2023-09-29 15:35:42	grinja	I have about 630 requests in last 24h for `ping.archlinux.org`, any ideas what is pinging?
2023-09-29 15:37:04	astralc	networkmanager conectivity check
2023-09-29 15:37:23	grinja	tnx
2023-09-29 15:37:40	Tom^	/usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d/20-connectivity.conf
2023-09-29 15:37:51	astralc	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NetworkManager#Checking_connectivity
2023-09-29 15:37:52	phrik	Title: NetworkManager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-29 15:38:44	grinja	👍
2023-09-29 15:47:56	killown	I am using systemd boot and every kernel upgrade it generates confs like /efi/loader/entries/2a3b7e068ef64c0983efabf0a4e72023-6.5.5-arch1-1 but in the options it does not add quiet splash, I would like to know if there is a way to add those options ? I am using dracut
2023-09-29 15:49:55	chiselfuse	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_Base_Directory here it says that XDG_CONFIG_HOME should default to $HOME/.config but it doesn't on my system, it doesn't say what should make it default for me to debug why that isn't the case
2023-09-29 15:49:56	phrik	Title: XDG Base Directory - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-29 15:51:02	jelle	you mean that's it not set?
2023-09-29 15:51:28	chiselfuse	jelle: yea it's not set on my system
2023-09-29 15:51:33	jelle	chiselfuse: that's expected
2023-09-29 15:51:44	chiselfuse	but it says "should default to..."
2023-09-29 15:51:50	chiselfuse	ctrl+f that page
2023-09-29 15:51:56	chiselfuse	maybe i misunderstood
2023-09-29 15:52:15	Khorne	Pretty sure $HOME/.config is the default when XDG_CONFIG_HOME isn't set
2023-09-29 15:52:57	chiselfuse	well... what is responsible for setting it by default?
2023-09-29 15:53:12	Khorne	>  $XDG_CONFIG_HOME defines the base directory relative to which user-specific configuration files should be stored. If $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is either not set or empty, a default equal to $HOME/.config should be used. 
2023-09-29 15:53:22	xt28	yes
2023-09-29 15:54:12	Khorne	chiselfuse, the specification?
2023-09-29 15:54:56	xt28	I don’t think anything sets XDG_CONFIG_HOME on a base install. If it’s unset, applications are supposed to use $HOME/.config. That’s what the specification says.
2023-09-29 15:55:08	chiselfuse	Khorne: i was more so asking for which component to look at to debug this
2023-09-29 15:55:17	Khorne	chiselfuse, there isn't one
2023-09-29 15:55:18	jelle	chiselfuse: there is nothing to debug
2023-09-29 15:55:21	xt28	chiselfuse: What’s the bug?
2023-09-29 15:55:22	chiselfuse	ah
2023-09-29 15:55:25	Khorne	It's up to each application to adhere to the specification
2023-09-29 15:55:58	chiselfuse	oh, the problem then i guess is that *I* was trying to use XDG_CONFIG_HOME to set a filepath so i guess i should fallback to $HOME/.config then
2023-09-29 15:56:05	Khorne	Only if you set XDG_CONFIG_HOME to something non-default and an application allegedly adhering to the spec (ie one that *should* respect XDG_CONFIG_HOME, but doesnt) misbehaves you have to debug something
2023-09-29 15:56:09	xt28	chiselfuse: yes
2023-09-29 16:21:07	lf94	How many votes does something need to make it into official repos? GNU PSPP I'm surprised is not there, but in AUR
2023-09-29 16:21:45	Namarrgon	if there is no TU that wants to adopt it then no amount of votes will change that
2023-09-29 16:21:46	demonicmaniac1	votes don't really matter
2023-09-29 16:22:36	lf94	aaaaah, ok
2023-09-29 16:22:37	Namarrgon	votes give users the sense of making a difference, having some sort of control
2023-09-29 16:22:44	Namarrgon	even if it isn't true
2023-09-29 16:23:19	Namarrgon	sorry, it's PM now, not TU
2023-09-29 16:23:19	demonicmaniac1	it also depends on an aur package which makes it a 100x less likely to ever get into repos
2023-09-29 16:35:48	lf94	It's too bad, I just learned yesterday the difference between statistical analysis software like PSPP/SPSS and spreadsheets
2023-09-29 16:36:08	lf94	PSPP seems way more structured/better for what most people use spreadsheets for
2023-09-29 16:47:54	nerdistmonk	I got a new tar backup script i've written if you guys would like a much improved one for the arch wiki.
2023-09-29 16:52:08	Keridos	I am having an odd issue with wifi on my NetworkManager setup. I noticed in several mesh infrastructures that my wifi seemed to only connect to one specific AP, making the network slower when you move farther away. It ignores the other APs in the networks. However if you scan when disconnected it recognizes them. I do not have a BSSID set in the
2023-09-29 16:52:08	Keridos	NetworkManager configurations not do I have other settings. I even recreated the Config from scratch.
2023-09-29 16:52:08	Keridos	Anybody got an idea why wpa_supplicant/NetworkManager seem to only care about a specific AP?
2023-09-29 17:11:01	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/ZH2A how can I fix this?
2023-09-29 17:11:01	phrik	Title: View paste ZH2A (at bpa.st)
2023-09-29 17:14:12	lucenera	sunyibo https://archlinux.org/pacman/pacman.conf.5.html
2023-09-29 17:14:13	phrik	Title: pacman.conf(5) (at archlinux.org)
2023-09-29 17:14:34	lucenera	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Reflector
2023-09-29 17:14:35	phrik	Title: Reflector - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-29 17:17:01	Namarrgon	also check the system's clock
2023-09-29 17:17:05	lucenera	The mirrors you are using with pacman are having problems.
2023-09-29 17:18:03	lucenera	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Mirrors
2023-09-29 17:18:05	phrik	Title: Mirrors - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-29 17:37:26	jl2	Hi, I'm trying to tune the amd_pstate=active but /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/power/energy_performance_preference doesn't exist
2023-09-29 17:38:43	Namarrgon	uname -r
2023-09-29 17:39:44	jl2	6.5.5-1-ck-generic-v3
2023-09-29 17:39:49	Namarrgon	the linux code seems to depend on somewhat sane ACPI tables or it won't enable amd-pstate support
2023-09-29 17:40:06	Namarrgon	try the regular linux kernel first
2023-09-29 17:40:12	jl2	ok
2023-09-29 17:43:54	Tom^	Namarrgon: didnt amd-pstate require cppc too? think i seen some posts if it was reddit or phoronix where some motherboards/combinations simply didnt advertise that
2023-09-29 17:48:05	Namarrgon	i'm no expert but i think there's two modes where it uses cppc or shared-memory
2023-09-29 17:49:22	Namarrgon	https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/pm/amd-pstate.html#processor-support
2023-09-29 17:49:23	phrik	Title: amd-pstate CPU Performance Scaling Driver — The Linux Kernel documentation (at docs.kernel.org)
2023-09-29 17:50:19	Namarrgon	i assume there will be a blurb in the kernel log when it fails entirely
2023-09-29 17:50:33	jl2	Doesn't show up either on 6.5.5-arch1-1
2023-09-29 17:51:52	Namarrgon	can you post the kernel log?
2023-09-29 17:52:56	jl2	http://0x0.st/HVlZ.txt
2023-09-29 17:56:55	jl2	note that passive works without issues
2023-09-29 17:57:08	Namarrgon	ah
2023-09-29 18:11:13	jl2	!bump
2023-09-29 18:11:14	phrik	jl2: No idea
2023-09-29 18:21:42	Tom^	jl2: does /proc/cpuinfo the cpu flags contain cppc ?
2023-09-29 18:21:57	Tom^	cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep cppc , or similiar
2023-09-29 18:22:51	jl2	yup - 16 times :D
2023-09-29 18:23:23	Tom^	hm
2023-09-29 18:25:23	Tom^	ok hold on, il set it to active here too. see what happends
2023-09-29 18:28:46	Tom^	JTL: yeah i got 16 of /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/energy_performance_preference with it set to active
2023-09-29 18:29:27	JTL	I'm not the druid you're looking for
2023-09-29 18:29:28	JTL	:D
2023-09-29 18:30:02	jl2	oh so STUPID
2023-09-29 18:30:20	Tom^	JTL: true
2023-09-29 18:30:22	Tom^	jl2: ^
2023-09-29 18:30:24	jl2	it's /cpufreq/ not /power/
2023-09-29 18:30:44	⚡ 	jl2 goes and bangs his head against the wall.
2023-09-29 18:30:58	Tom^	the wall have feelings, dont.
2023-09-29 18:31:20	jl2	I know exegeration
2023-09-29 18:31:43	jl2	well thanks
2023-09-29 18:35:45	jl2	Did I miss something or is the wiki entry completely wrong?
2023-09-29 18:38:31	jl2	1. wrong file name, 2. performance/balance_performance/... instead of 0 - 255
2023-09-29 18:39:06	jl2	well nvm, have a good evening 
2023-09-29 19:25:23	novns	so, about my problem again
2023-09-29 19:25:36	novns	it's kernel panics
2023-09-29 19:26:03	novns	I've managed to watch dmesg when it happened again
2023-09-29 19:26:07	novns	https://sumbur.su/tmp/photo_2023-09-30_01-23-22.jpg
2023-09-29 19:26:29	novns	no idea why, but it's something
2023-09-29 19:34:11	novns	susi, ^ if you interested
2023-09-29 19:34:23	novns	*you are
2023-09-29 19:48:51	GuiToris	hey
2023-09-29 19:48:59	GuiToris	has anyone ever used kalarm?
2023-09-29 19:49:03	GuiToris	my alarms are gone
2023-09-29 19:49:07	GuiToris	can I restore them somehow?
2023-09-29 20:20:59	cr0ma	!paste
2023-09-29 20:20:59	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2023-09-29 23:25:16	rcf	Just becasue it's on the bus doesn't mean it's usable. 
2023-09-29 23:26:56	MrElendig	problem solved on #linux already, card is hardblocked
2023-09-29 23:28:39	yrlf	MrElendig: was that in reply to losth1ghway or me?
2023-09-29 23:29:08	MrElendig	rcf / losth1ghway 
2023-09-29 23:29:22	rcf	Ah
2023-09-29 23:29:59	MrElendig	never responded after posting the rfkill output, so no idea if the switch/button worked :p
2023-09-29 23:33:43	yrlf	x did nothing, but starting sway and killing it fixed it somehow
2023-09-29 23:35:27	MrElendig	wayland is nicer anyway :)
2023-09-29 23:36:06	rcf	yrlf: well, if you were inclined to use sway to begin with.... 
2023-09-29 23:37:46	rcf	yrlf: to gain more insight, you might compare the output of drm_info (available in AUR) before and after running sway. 
2023-09-29 23:38:10	yrlf	rcf: will do!
2023-09-29 23:50:45	yrlf	the only difference is that mode id changes from 170 to 168
2023-09-29 23:50:54	yrlf	will upload the drm dump
2023-09-29 23:52:41	yrlf	before: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZDz7QKrqDP/
2023-09-29 23:52:43	phrik	Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
2023-09-29 23:52:51	yrlf	after: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CRFZWWsV5J/
2023-09-29 23:52:53	phrik	Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
2023-09-29 23:53:07	yrlf	(sorry, ubuntu pastebin is the first one that worked with pastebinit)
2023-09-29 23:53:36	rcf	hmm
2023-09-29 23:53:44	rcf	oh they have login requirement now 
2023-09-29 23:53:50	yrlf	let's see if i can upload it somewhere else
2023-09-29 23:53:55	rcf	!ix
2023-09-29 23:53:56	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2023-09-29 23:54:51	yrlf	before: https://paste.debian.net/1293557/
2023-09-29 23:54:55	phrik	Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)
2023-09-29 23:55:12	yrlf	after: https://paste.debian.net/1293558/
2023-09-29 23:55:16	phrik	Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)
2023-09-29 23:59:59	yrlf	funnily enough, the first time sway starts it's still broken. the mode fixes itself when sway *exits*
2023-09-30 00:15:17	rcf	yrlf: drm_info -j might give slightly more information by not trying to be so human readable. 
2023-09-30 00:25:11	yrlf	thanks!
2023-09-30 00:25:44	yrlf	i now made it work by autostarting sway with a config that immediately exits in a before=getty@tty1.service
2023-09-30 00:25:55	yrlf	super hacky, but enough until i figure out what it is
2023-09-30 01:53:28	yrlf	rcf: -j gives the exact same information, sadly
2023-09-30 01:55:44	yrlf	Thanks for the help MrElendig, rcf; This is a workable 90% solution now
2023-09-30 01:57:49	tusko	joel135: you use arch?
2023-09-30 01:58:58	tusko	any enjoyers of arch and xfce here?
2023-09-30 02:04:29	dubiago	Time for my weekly game of pacman
2023-09-30 02:13:22	rcf	yrlf: that points strongly to driver bug, then. 
2023-09-30 02:26:09	greentail	Hi.  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bash#Disable_Ctrl+z_in_terminal   
2023-09-30 02:26:10	phrik	Title: Bash - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-30 02:26:27	greentail	Hi. In that section, there is a 3-line snippet code. Where should I type those 3 lines?  
2023-09-30 02:27:07	dTal	What are you trying to do?
2023-09-30 02:28:18	dTal	That snippet is for putting into bash scripts, to make them ignore Ctrl-z. If you're asking this question, I suspect you aren't authoring a bash script, or you would probably already know the answer.
2023-09-30 02:30:07	greentail	dTal, shouldn't the information you're telling me rn be inthe Wiki? Like, just add "The following snippet is for putting into bash scripts."   
2023-09-30 02:31:08	greentail	Different question:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bash#Auto_%22cd%22_when_entering_just_a_path  ; In that section, there are three dots above shopt, and three more dots below shopt. I added those 6 dots, but bash now returns `... command not found` ; why is that?   
2023-09-30 02:31:09	phrik	Title: Bash - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-30 02:32:13	rcf	greentail: they're meant to imply arbitrary other contents. 
2023-09-30 02:33:22	dTal	Why don't you expand on the context a bit? We'll be better able to help.
2023-09-30 02:34:40	greentail	rcf, well that's incredibly odd. If you look at all the bashrc lines before the section 4.6 , none of those bashrc have that ellipsis. Why is it that all of a sudden the Wiki authors decide to add an ellipsis? It's incredibly confusing.  
2023-09-30 02:35:06	rcf	greentail: I agree it's inconsistent style. 
2023-09-30 02:36:18	rcf	The issue they assume you're familiar with basic syntax 
2023-09-30 02:38:17	dTal	You should consider the wiki to be a grab bag of helpful hints, rather than industrial strength documentation. It's not manpage quality. Manpages typically have the strict adherence to a documented syntax you want.
2023-09-30 02:40:15	dTal	so greentail, for instance, if you see "#!/bin/bash", that always goes at the top of a bash script file.
2023-09-30 02:41:56	dTal	In fact #!<some program> can go at the top of any file, and if you try and execute the file, that program will be run with filename as an argument.
2023-09-30 02:43:09	dTal	So you can even do silly things like start a script file with #!/bin/rm and if you execute the script it'l simply delete itself.
2023-09-30 02:44:34	dTal	The third line in that three-line snippet is just an unrelated example program, 'adom', which has an AUR link right there. The only line of any importance is the middle one.
2023-09-30 03:17:14	greentail	dTal, what does the second line do? What does "trap" mean? 
2023-09-30 03:25:04	dTal	It sets up a signal handler.
2023-09-30 03:33:36	dTal	All I know about that is that usually Ctl-Z sends a SIGSTP signal to the program running inside your terminal, which causes it to suspend. "trap" is a shell builtin that allows you to define a custom handler for signals. So the line in that snippet defines a custom handler for signal 20, which is SIGSTP, and assigns it to do nothing.
2023-09-30 03:33:49	dTal	There's a lot I don't understand about how that system works.
2023-09-30 03:35:45	dTal	Got me curious now, actually.
2023-09-30 03:36:21	rcf	It's a rabbit hole that starts with wondering how signals work, and ends with the realization that anyone trying to handle a signal at all is probably wrong. 
2023-09-30 03:38:06	rcf	In the shell it's probably less horrible. Maybe. 
2023-09-30 03:53:57	dTal	what's currently burning my noodle is how the signal is propagated. 'trap' is a shell builtin, so surely that SIGSTP goes to bash, not directly to whatever bash is running in turn (and presumably bash is set up to pass this signal on, by default). But experimentally this isn't the case - sending kill -TSTP <bash_pid> does nothing, while sending it to the the actual process works as expected.
2023-09-30 03:54:08	espresso	rcf: Maybe? zsh_ctrl_c_to_break() { setopt local_traps; trap 'echo break' INT; sleep 5 } # while bash has no local_traps, I read they can be reset with 'trap - [SIG_SPEC]'
2023-09-30 05:13:47	espresso	dTal: though I didn't see the script, I was curious. It would seem SIGSTP (distinct from SIGSTOP/SIGCONT) is treated specially and ignored by bash, but other methods would work?
2023-09-30 05:14:30	dTal	espresso: there's no specific script, just tossing around signals in general
2023-09-30 05:56:52	chowbok	kill -$RAND process
2023-09-30 08:52:24	kode54	https://github.com/apple/cups/issues/5452
2023-09-30 08:52:38	kode54	if I'm not supposed to use systemd-resolved, what should I use instead?
2023-09-30 09:05:31	novns	kode54, whatever network daemon are you using, your ISP's nameservers are usually in /etc/resolv.conf, if this file exists and not a symlink
2023-09-30 09:05:53	kode54	that is entirely dependent on the network configuration
2023-09-30 09:06:04	rcf	kode54: if you switch off resolved... normal DNS will be used. 
2023-09-30 09:06:18	rcf	I think that is the point of novns 
2023-09-30 09:06:23	novns	yes
2023-09-30 09:06:30	novns	whatever DHCP offers will be there
2023-09-30 09:06:32	kode54	yes, so I guess I create resolv.conf manually
2023-09-30 09:07:00	kode54	I'm using systemd-networkd, I should probably switch to something better
2023-09-30 09:07:24	novns	systemd-networkd is nice for simple configurations
2023-09-30 09:07:40	rcf	It's really fine. 
2023-09-30 09:07:42	dsimic	yup, perfectly fine
2023-09-30 09:07:43	kode54	I'm using a network bridge to allow for virtual machines to share the interface
2023-09-30 09:08:00	dsimic	bridging is supported, AFAIK
2023-09-30 09:08:11	kode54	I recall when I tried to use that with Network Manager, it took a whole 30 seconds to bring the bridge up on boot
2023-09-30 09:08:47	novns	"30 seconds" sounds like a problem with resolving names
2023-09-30 09:08:59	kode54	30 seconds to achieve network-online state?
2023-09-30 09:09:20	espresso	how about Avahi? I thought it can coexist with systemd-resolved. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/CUPS/Printer_sharing
2023-09-30 09:09:22	phrik	Title: CUPS/Printer sharing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-30 09:09:44	kode54	with my current setup, it also takes 5 seconds of timeout for non-resolving PTR records to time out, resulting in ping waiting 5 seconds between each ping unless I specify -n
2023-09-30 09:48:32	kode54	I need to print something but DNS SD isn't working
2023-09-30 09:48:34	dsimic	kode54: just to reiterate, to print on an HP USB printer that supports PostScript, I need some filthy Snap?
2023-09-30 09:48:40	greentail	dsimic, yeah that's what I've been doing. But I was wondering if there's a faster way. I think there was a faster way of doing that in vim, but maybe not in `less`  
2023-09-30 09:48:48	kode54	so I'll just save the damn thing to a PDF and scp it over to my dad's Mac
2023-09-30 09:49:01	greentail	kode54, what's "scp"?   
2023-09-30 09:49:03	dsimic	greentail: not that I know of in less, unfortunately
2023-09-30 09:49:29	kode54	dsimic: or HP's official drivers
2023-09-30 09:49:43	kode54	or Gutenprint, if it's at least 4 years old
2023-09-30 09:50:12	kode54	oh
2023-09-30 09:50:16	kode54	if it supports PostScript
2023-09-30 09:50:23	kode54	then CUPS should just talk to the port directly
2023-09-30 09:50:40	kode54	IPP is basically just doing fancy postscript over IP anyway
2023-09-30 09:51:12	kode54	apparently they're just completely getting rid of the ability of CUPS to rasterize the postscript for you for raster printers that talk proprietary protocols
2023-09-30 09:51:32	kode54	"Install Gutenprint"
2023-09-30 09:51:40	dsimic	huh, won't that kill the support for many, many printer models?
2023-09-30 09:51:51	dsimic	that sounds insane to me
2023-09-30 09:52:26	kode54	the issue on CUPS tracker says "take up problems with your distribution's printer software maintainer"
2023-09-30 09:52:52	dsimic	I'd say something to that, but I don't like profanity :)
2023-09-30 09:53:36	dsimic	but I may understand them, perhaps supporting all kinds of binary crap became unsustainable, or whatever
2023-09-30 09:54:10	kode54	the Open Printing Initiative of 2012 was supposed to solve this
2023-09-30 09:54:36	dsimic	but isn't all that for printing over network?
2023-09-30 09:54:41	kode54	meanwhile everyone just grab their binary drivers from their vendor on their Windows machine and print
2023-09-30 09:54:56	dsimic	I have no Windows machine :/
2023-09-30 09:55:14	kode54	apparently CUPS wants to go back to being just a dumb network printer server
2023-09-30 09:55:34	dsimic	then we can go back to something like lpd
2023-09-30 09:55:44	dsimic	what's the purpose of CUPS then?
2023-09-30 09:56:19	kode54	making printing too complicated
2023-09-30 09:56:53	arcturus	i have no problems with mdns or printing or scanning
2023-09-30 09:57:03	arcturus	with archlinux and a brother multifunction
2023-09-30 09:57:23	dsimic	kode54: it's all crazy, IMHO
2023-09-30 09:57:40	kode54	I'm having trouble with an Epson Multifunction
2023-09-30 09:57:46	kode54	it's being shared by CUPS on a Mac
2023-09-30 09:57:54	kode54	DNS-SD isn't seeing it
2023-09-30 09:57:55	dsimic	they're basically shooting themselves in the foot
2023-09-30 09:58:53	arcturus	take a look at the arch wiki maybe
2023-09-30 09:58:59	dsimic	have to check what's with my HP printer that stayed unused for a few years
2023-09-30 09:59:28	dsimic	BRB, have to disconnect
2023-09-30 09:59:30	kode54	oh, my god
2023-09-30 09:59:42	kode54	I forgot to turn printer sharing back on after reinstalling his computer
2023-09-30 09:59:55	dsimic	there you go
2023-09-30 10:00:05	kode54	PEBKAC
2023-09-30 10:00:19	dsimic	:)
2023-09-30 10:03:00	kode54	PEBKAC strikes again
2023-09-30 10:03:07	kode54	the firefox print dialog defaulted to A5 paper size
2023-09-30 10:03:08	dsimic	I'll post back what's with my HP printer, for later reference
2023-09-30 10:03:26	kode54	it proceeded to print an A5 document on US Letter
2023-09-30 10:03:43	dsimic	that's less of an issue, frankly
2023-09-30 10:03:47	kode54	it printed it 4 inches down the page and printed the rest into the platen and smeared it across the paper as it ejected it
2023-09-30 10:04:13	dsimic	the fun never ends :/
2023-09-30 10:05:07	kode54	at least it printed a legible QR code forme
2023-09-30 10:09:09	kode54	okay
2023-09-30 10:09:12	kode54	this annoys me greatly
2023-09-30 10:09:22	kode54	rdns resolving is super slow here
2023-09-30 10:09:41	kode54	strace on getent hosts on an internet facing IP address that should NXDOMAIN
2023-09-30 10:09:50	kode54	it's getting stuck for 5 seconds querying avahi for it
2023-09-30 10:10:16	dsimic	huh, avahi and stuff...  I'm afraid I can't help much, sorry
2023-09-30 10:14:12	kode54	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2123838#p2123838
2023-09-30 10:14:13	phrik	Title: dig is fast but getent is slow / Networking, Server, and Protection / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-09-30 10:19:29	kode54	oh
2023-09-30 10:19:30	kode54	I see why
2023-09-30 10:19:43	kode54	it's because something tricked me into setting nsswitch.conf to use mdns instead of mdns_minimal
2023-09-30 10:29:54	nickb	Is it a bad idea to use LVM snapshots as a means to preserve system state before updates and/or major settings changes? Or should I just use a filesystem with snapshots instead (considering zfs and btrfs leaning towards the 1st)?
2023-09-30 10:45:17	bookworm	out of tree filesystem for your root is a horrible idea
2023-09-30 10:45:43	bookworm	zfs has already beem broken at least twice due to the kernel changing some api
2023-09-30 10:45:58	bookworm	it's really not something you want for an Arch root FS
2023-09-30 10:46:44	bookworm	LTS can stem the bleeding, but even there you get regular bumps even when zfs ain't ready yet for it
2023-09-30 10:47:06	bookworm	and no one wants an out of date kernel, looking at all the vulns that are around 
2023-09-30 10:47:15	kode54	which reminds me
2023-09-30 10:47:24	kode54	I've got two unsupported Macs on premises
2023-09-30 10:47:36	kode54	one of them is forever on 10.15, the other on 11.x
2023-09-30 10:48:01	kode54	bet they're both vulnerable to webp fun
2023-09-30 11:00:28	pulsar12	today did pacman -Syu. it asked to replace kauth with kauth5 along with some other packages. this never occured before.
2023-09-30 11:18:01	rcf	pulsar12: that's not too bizarre. 
2023-09-30 11:19:09	pulsar12	rcf: im just noob. it seems package was renamed. on arch site when reviewing changes there is just one commit. how to see the history when the package was kauth?
2023-09-30 11:19:36	rcf	pulsar12: the web interface will show you links to the actually git repos 
2023-09-30 11:21:08	kode54	rcf: the entire series has a single commit in history
2023-09-30 11:21:10	kode54	upgpkg: 5.110.0-1: Rename kf5 packages
2023-09-30 11:21:50	kode54	no version change, just a sidegrade to a renamed package with no commit history
2023-09-30 11:22:44	kode54	does this mean there's a kf6 that will break everything and we want to make it a completely manual upgrade process for the future
2023-09-30 11:31:50	kode54	okay
2023-09-30 11:31:52	kode54	this is annoying
2023-09-30 11:32:08	kode54	when I alt-tab off firefox, scrollwheel makes it navigate page history instead of scrolling what's under the cursor
2023-09-30 11:32:22	kode54	must be my compositor
2023-09-30 11:32:40	arojas	kode54: this is in preparation for kf6, yes
2023-09-30 11:33:49	kode54	cool
2023-09-30 11:34:24	yrlf	rcf: yeah, very likely a driver bug
2023-09-30 11:34:42	yrlf	though the device is also beyond usable in other ways
2023-09-30 11:35:27	rcf	hmm
2023-09-30 11:35:32	yrlf	linux does not detect the touchscreen, audio is detected, but does not work, and the battery of the device is so beyond repair that you can't leave it unplugged for a minute
2023-09-30 11:35:46	rcf	yrlf: you might ask in #sway or other drm-specific channels about this. 
2023-09-30 11:35:54	yrlf	but at least it has completely functional Plasma Wayland now :)
2023-09-30 11:36:18	yrlf	yeah, I'll ask around, I want to know what it is and potentially get it fixed
2023-09-30 11:36:26	kode54	okay
2023-09-30 11:36:39	kode54	I accidentally let pacman proceed by answering N to all the replacement questions
2023-09-30 11:36:43	kode54	now it won't prompt any of them any more
2023-09-30 11:37:06	kode54	where is it saving that decision?
2023-09-30 11:37:38	dsimic	that's strange
2023-09-30 11:37:50	dsimic	ah, the package replacament?
2023-09-30 11:38:02	dsimic	replacement *
2023-09-30 11:38:40	dsimic	I don't think it's stored anywhere, it's all about the package definitions themselves, and the resulting dependencies
2023-09-30 11:38:59	dsimic	are you sure it isn't asking you the same again?  just checking
2023-09-30 11:40:15	dsimic	actually, it won't prompt you until there are more updates available, for the same packages
2023-09-30 11:40:36	dsimic	i.e. there's now nothing to update, thus there's nothing to be replaced
2023-09-30 11:41:03	dsimic	makes sense?
2023-09-30 11:41:12	kode54	gotcha
2023-09-30 11:41:40	kode54	apparently, kwindowsystem5 kcrash5 kdbusaddons5 attica5 kservice5 kglobalaccel5 and kitemviews5 haven't hit my mirror
2023-09-30 11:48:58	arojas	are you actually using pacman and not some AUR helper wrapper thing?
2023-09-30 11:56:20	kode54	cool
2023-09-30 11:56:24	kode54	I figured out the focus bug
2023-09-30 11:56:29	kode54	it is my compositor
2023-09-30 11:56:37	kode54	and it depends on which method I use in the compositor to switch windows
2023-09-30 11:56:54	kode54	mouseclick -> fine, using a different keyboard controlled switcher plugin -> fine
2023-09-30 11:57:27	kode54	and this is the compositor that raspberry pi foundation chose for their new raspberry os
2023-09-30 11:57:45	kode54	oh well, I am aware it is moving fast and breaking things, at least the version I am using
2023-09-30 12:17:03	lucenera	cups-browsed.service is not required to discover printers advertised over DNS-SD, that is done by cups.service. The service is only required to discover printers on an LDAP server and those using the legacy CUPS protocol (CUPS servers ≤ 1.5).
2023-09-30 12:17:22	lucenera	This does not seem true to me.
2023-09-30 12:19:59	kode54	please excuse my PEBKAC above re: that :P
2023-09-30 12:20:27	kode54	the printer was not discoverable because it had been so long since I printed that I had since reinstalled the Mac that was hosting the printer, and forgot to turn on network sharing services
2023-09-30 12:20:59	kode54	that, or my dad turned them off without thinking
2023-09-30 12:22:23	lucenera	I have a Brother that supports IPP, I have the latest version of CUPS, Avahi and active and it detects the printer in LAN, but if I don't activate cups-browsed, the printer itself is not configurable or working.
2023-09-30 12:22:55	lucenera	Can anyone explain why? Am I doing something wrong or is the statement in the Wiki note incorrect.
2023-09-30 12:25:14	diniamo	Hello, I'm trying to use a polkit script to give myself power management access without sudo: https://0x0.st/HVkG.rules But when I restart polkit it tells me this: `Error loading script /etc/polkit-1/rules.d/10-power-management.rules` that file is a symlink into my home directory. How can I get a more verbose error/fix this?
2023-09-30 12:25:56	diniamo	I'm pretty sure it worked before I made it a symlink, but it would be ideal if I could make it work as such
2023-09-30 12:27:10	Ingar	make a symlink in your homedir to the system file
2023-09-30 12:27:27	Ingar	do not symlink system files from your homedir
2023-09-30 12:27:43	dsimic	this whole thing with printers is an unbelievable mess :(
2023-09-30 12:28:45	diniamo	Ingar but that's the whole point, I want to have that file synced on 3 computers
2023-09-30 12:29:39	Ingar	diniamo: there's no guarantee any system service running as anything else than root has access to your homedir
2023-09-30 12:31:02	diniamo	What?
2023-09-30 12:32:36	MrElendig	don't keep the script in your  $HOME
2023-09-30 13:18:22	dsimic	it seems that prnt/ps/hp-laserjet_400_m401-ps.ppd.gz from the hplip package is all that's needed for a HP LaserJet M401d in CUPS
2023-09-30 13:20:19	dsimic	I mean, from the hplip source tarball
2023-09-30 13:25:43	dsimic	./data/models/models.dat:8433:[hp_laserjet_400_m401d]
2023-09-30 13:25:43	dsimic	./data/models/models.dat:8454:ppd-name=hp-laserjet_400_m401-ps.ppd
2023-09-30 13:26:02	dsimic	... just for future reference
2023-09-30 13:34:44	xinming	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel-install     <--- in this url, When I type `kernel-install addd ker-ver /usr/lib/modules/path/to/kernel`, I saw that in /boot we have initramfs is generated, But kernel is not copied to the boot. Do we need to copy the image ourself?
2023-09-30 13:34:46	phrik	Title: kernel-install - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-30 13:35:28	dsimic	phew, things aren't that bad for printers that can talk PostScript over USB
2023-09-30 13:39:16	dsimic	interesting, M401d can also print PDF files directly
2023-09-30 13:40:02	dsimic	PCL 5e/6, PS 3 and PDF 1.7, that ain't bad
2023-09-30 14:20:37	kode54	I've heard HP's IPP support is pure horsehockey
2023-09-30 14:20:49	kode54	puckey, whatevs
2023-09-30 14:21:35	dsimic	I have no clue is it good or not
2023-09-30 15:07:19	FrayDabson	Hello, I am in need of some assistance regarding PCI passthrough and have followed the steps https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF/Examples and it seems to work except the keyboard is acting very strange. When I boot into windows guest it acts like my windows key is stuck. When I shut off guest it's also stuck on my host? So I
2023-09-30 15:07:19	FrayDabson	reboot host and it still gets stuck. This didn't start until I followed the pci passthrough guide
2023-09-30 15:07:21	phrik	Title: PCI passthrough via OVMF/Examples - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-30 15:07:25	gnsfujiwara	Guys, do you have to put some hook in the pacman for him to clean /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow?, when the package that adds the user is removed in case
2023-09-30 15:08:20	Namarrgon	you'd have to write that hook yourself but, personally, i wouldn't automate that
2023-09-30 15:09:12	gnsfujiwara	Ok, i'll try
2023-09-30 15:10:23	Namarrgon	it's not just cleaning up passwd and shadow, you have to also handle files owned by the orphaned accounts and other permissions associated with them
2023-09-30 15:12:09	FrayDabson	I can't even use my desktop anymore since I did gpu passthrough. Every time I boot  into arch the windows key is still stuck.  I can switch to a different tty and login via cli but idk what to do to fix this
2023-09-30 15:12:42	Namarrgon	did you undo whatever you did for the passthrough setup?
2023-09-30 15:13:24	FrayDabson	It was running the "gpu-passthrough-manager which I can't run again to undo since it requires a GUI and I'm locked out of clicking anything in my GUI
2023-09-30 15:13:53	FrayDabson	I'll try removing it.
2023-09-30 15:14:15	Namarrgon	where's that from? i don't see it on the wiki page
2023-09-30 15:14:56	FrayDabson	In the green  section
2023-09-30 15:15:02	FrayDabson	In step 1
2023-09-30 15:15:17	FrayDabson	Says you can use it to skip to step 4
2023-09-30 15:15:31	Namarrgon	on the examples pag?
2023-09-30 15:15:34	Namarrgon	*page
2023-09-30 15:15:44	FrayDabson	On the main page https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF
2023-09-30 15:15:46	phrik	Title: PCI passthrough via OVMF - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-09-30 15:15:53	Namarrgon	ah, the aur...
2023-09-30 15:15:57	FrayDabson	Yeah
2023-09-30 15:16:16	FrayDabson	Idk why that would cause this issue. If I fix my keyboard I can try again without using that.
2023-09-30 15:18:43	FrayDabson	I rebooted and reinstalled the utility and chose set default so hopefully that  puts me back at square 1.
2023-09-30 15:22:32	FrayDabson	I think I see something on GitHub claiming "yay" might not build it properly so I'll try building manually
2023-09-30 15:23:35	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-09-30 15:33:33	FrayDabson	No luck. I'll try manually doing the IOMMU steps.
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2023-09-30 15:40:29	post-factum	arojas: something is wrong with kcontacts, kdav, kholidays
2023-09-30 15:40:51	post-factum	arojas: *5 equivalents do not replace them for me here. other renames went ok
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2023-09-30 15:42:28	arojas	ugh, epoch
2023-09-30 15:42:31	arojas	post-factum: thanks
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2023-09-30 15:43:15	post-factum	aye
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2023-09-30 18:48:27	lucenera	Does it still make sense to use linux-ck or does linux vanilla outperform it in all usage scenarios?
2023-09-30 18:49:07	MrElendig	vanilla is fine
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2023-09-30 18:50:32	pulsar12	why dont these optimizations get included in vanilla?
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2023-09-30 18:51:23	MrElendig	because they are detrimental to a lot of workloads and/or placebo
2023-09-30 18:51:50	MrElendig	(maintenance of -ck is also in a bad place)
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2023-09-30 18:52:53	MrElendig	sidenote: the kernel is getting a new in tree scheduler now
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2023-09-30 19:04:16	lucenera	What scheduler?
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2023-09-30 19:06:22	MrElendig	can't remember the name of it, ment to improve the situation for hybrig architectures like intel p/e cores
2023-09-30 19:06:29	MrElendig	hybrid*
2023-09-30 19:06:52	ℹ 	zayd es conocido ahora como zayd_
2023-09-30 19:07:36	ℹ 	zayd_ es conocido ahora como zayd__
2023-09-30 19:07:37	ℹ 	zayd__ es conocido ahora como zayd_
2023-09-30 19:07:40	ℹ 	zayd_ es conocido ahora como zayd
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2023-09-30 19:08:40	MrElendig	and amd's mix of 3d vcache and standard cores
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2023-09-30 19:10:14	b0b	eevdf?
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2023-09-30 19:17:54	lucenera	https://lwn.net/Articles/925371/
2023-09-30 19:17:56	phrik	Title: An EEVDF CPU scheduler for Linux [LWN.net] (at lwn.net)
2023-09-30 19:17:57	lucenera	Yes
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2023-09-30 19:48:19	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
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2023-10-03 17:58:42	susi	it does not seem to go even to initializing VAAPI
2023-10-03 17:59:24	susi	have you tried -Syu with nothing ignored, and then reboot
2023-10-03 18:00:25	ecraven	yes, did that before the problem appeared. I'll reboot again later ;)
2023-10-03 18:05:58	SusanTheNerd	something is going on
2023-10-03 18:06:23	SusanTheNerd	I installed firefox and configured it to use wayland
2023-10-03 18:06:35	SusanTheNerd	and also I installed intel-media-driver
2023-10-03 18:06:42	SusanTheNerd	and now I don't get video decoding
2023-10-03 18:11:51	SusanTheNerd	any idea on what to do?
2023-10-03 18:12:08	greentail	Hi. Running pacman -Syu returns this: `error: failed to synchronize all databases (unable to lock database)`  What should I do?  
2023-10-03 18:12:24	chiselfuse	https://invent.kde.org/sdk/elf-dissector i would like to create a PKGBUILD for this but i don't know what good cmake command works nicely on arch linux
2023-10-03 18:12:25	phrik	Title: SDK / ELF Dissector · GitLab (at invent.kde.org)
2023-10-03 18:13:32	chiselfuse	cmake --install . --config Debug
2023-10-03 18:13:33	chiselfuse	?
2023-10-03 18:13:36	Scimmia	greentail: it should have more than that
2023-10-03 18:14:30	greentail	Scimmia, before that line it says "Synchronizing package databases ..." ; and that's all.  
2023-10-03 18:14:50	NetSysFire	paste the complete output
2023-10-03 18:16:07	greentail	NetSysFire, https://bpa.st/HMIA  
2023-10-03 18:16:07	phrik	Title: View paste HMIA (at bpa.st)
2023-10-03 18:17:28	Namarrgon	add --debug and make sure stderr is included
2023-10-03 18:18:05	greentail	Namarrgon, how do I make sure stderr is included?
2023-10-03 18:18:41	greentail	Namarrgon,  https://bpa.st/6DPQ   
2023-10-03 18:18:42	phrik	Title: View paste 6DPQ (at bpa.st)
2023-10-03 18:19:05	NetSysFire	if you pipe the output into curl stderr is not included unless you do e.g &| or whatever it was
2023-10-03 18:20:05	greentail	NetSysFire, the complete message I see on my terminal, all of it is in that pastebin I sent.  
2023-10-03 18:20:11	NetSysFire	good
2023-10-03 18:21:47	Namarrgon	do you use any other libalpm frontends or pacman wrappers?
2023-10-03 18:22:34	Namarrgon	SusanTheNerd: does the video not render at all or do you get only sw decoding?
2023-10-03 18:23:34	hseg	Hi. Trying to install on a PC with a BCM57788 card, install medium seems to be misconfigured -- getting "tg3: No PHY devices" and "tg3: Problem fetching invariants of chip, aborting" messages that as per https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15400 are resolved by modprobing broadcom before tg3. Given the goal of having wired connections work out-of-the-box, am surprised this crops up
2023-10-03 18:24:48	greentail	Namarrgon, I use paru for the AUR. Does that answer your question?  
2023-10-03 18:24:50	Scimmia	greentail: are you doing anything special with /var? Different partiiton/mount options/bind mounts/symlinks/etc?
2023-10-03 18:25:05	Namarrgon	is it currently running?
2023-10-03 18:25:08	greentail	Scimmia, I use btrfs. Does that matter?  
2023-10-03 18:25:17	Scimmia	it shouldn't
2023-10-03 18:25:21	Namarrgon	does pacman's lockfile exist?
2023-10-03 18:25:22	Scimmia	unless things are full?
2023-10-03 18:25:52	greentail	Namarrgon, paru is not currently running, no. I would never run paru and pacman at the same time.  
2023-10-03 18:26:17	greentail	Namarrgon, How can I tell whether pacman lockfile exists?  
2023-10-03 18:26:28	NetSysFire	ls -l the lockfile location
2023-10-03 18:27:32	hseg	(especially given that Finnix 125 *does* work out of the box in this case)
2023-10-03 18:28:27	greentail	NetSysFire,  https://bpa.st/3MKA  
2023-10-03 18:28:28	phrik	Title: View paste 3MKA (at bpa.st)
2023-10-03 18:28:41	greentail	NetSysFire, it looks like I do not have any lock file.  
2023-10-03 18:28:54	Scimmia	greentail: any problems with `sudo touch /var/lib/pacman/test`?
2023-10-03 18:29:16	Scimmia	(if it succeeds, delete the file)
2023-10-03 18:29:47	greentail	Scimmia,  your command returns:  "touch: cannot touch '/var/lib/pacman/test': Read-only file system
2023-10-03 18:29:47	greentail	"
2023-10-03 18:29:53	Scimmia	there's the problem
2023-10-03 18:30:39	greentail	Scimmia, how do I solve it?  
2023-10-03 18:30:43	MrElendig	greentail: findmnt -T /var/lib/pacman
2023-10-03 18:30:44	Scimmia	so now, WHY is it read-only?
2023-10-03 18:31:03	NetSysFire	check your journal, too. just in case its a disk issue. the kernel will log errors and remount it ro
2023-10-03 18:32:02	greentail	MrElendig,  https://bpa.st/XX3Q  
2023-10-03 18:32:02	phrik	Title: View paste XX3Q (at bpa.st)
2023-10-03 18:32:26	Scimmia	so your entire root is read-only
2023-10-03 18:32:49	NetSysFire	so you especially want to check your journal
2023-10-03 18:32:57	Scimmia	yep
2023-10-03 18:33:37	greentail	NetSysFire, how do I check my journal?  
2023-10-03 18:33:49	NetSysFire	journalctl -r or -e, depending on what you like better
2023-10-03 18:34:30	greentail	NetSysFire, I'm reading my journal. Tons of lines. What should I do next?  
2023-10-03 18:34:45	NetSysFire	check for errors relating to your disk, usually emitted by the kernel
2023-10-03 18:34:57	Namarrgon	is / listed in fstab?
2023-10-03 18:35:47	hseg	ok, judging by https://groups.google.com/g/linux.kernel/c/nyVsENjSE6w the difference is probably that broadcom isn't included in initramfs for some reason (whereas it is on debian), which should just be annoying on install, but should go away once I start using it
2023-10-03 18:37:34	greentail	NetSysFire,  I don't see anything that looks like an error. Maybe the following?  Oct 03 10:34:30 username pulseaudio[3660]: stat('/etc/pulse/default.pa.d'): No such file or directory
2023-10-03 18:37:44	NetSysFire	paste your whole journalctl -b
2023-10-03 18:37:56	NetSysFire	you may want to use something like 0x0.st due to the potential size
2023-10-03 18:38:09	greentail	Namarrgon, how can I tell whether / is listed in fstab?  
2023-10-03 18:38:29	Namarrgon	open the file and look at the content
2023-10-03 18:38:55	greentail	Namarrgon, I just checked. And yes, / is listed in fstab. It says "rw, relatime,"
2023-10-03 18:40:01	NetSysFire	jooooouuuuuurrrnaaaaaal pls
2023-10-03 18:40:11	greentail	NetSysFire,  https://bpa.st/CIBA   
2023-10-03 18:40:12	phrik	Title: View paste CIBA (at bpa.st)
2023-10-03 18:40:22	NetSysFire	you need to run this as root
2023-10-03 18:40:41	NetSysFire	it will be a lot more messages
2023-10-03 18:47:31	greentail	NetSysFire,  I tried to paste it into a pastebin service, and it returned this: 413 Request Entity Too Large  
2023-10-03 18:47:39	NetSysFire	yes so use 0x0.st
2023-10-03 18:47:45	NetSysFire	as i said due to the size
2023-10-03 18:47:47	NetSysFire	!0x0.st
2023-10-03 18:47:48	phrik	NetSysFire: The answer is 42.
2023-10-03 18:47:50	NetSysFire	!0x0
2023-10-03 18:47:51	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2023-10-03 18:50:47	greentail	NetSysFire,  http://0x0.st/HWug.txt  
2023-10-03 18:51:04	NetSysFire	oh yikes
2023-10-03 18:51:37	Edu4rdSHL	Uuuh
2023-10-03 18:51:59	greentail	NetSysFire, speak to me
2023-10-03 18:52:14	NetSysFire	the log is spammed full of pci errors, likely relating to your network card
2023-10-03 18:52:23	NetSysFire	i cant find the disk one yet but make sure you have backups just in case
2023-10-03 18:53:20	greentail	NetSysFire, does that mean that I'm gonna die?  
2023-10-03 18:53:34	NetSysFire	eventually, yes. might be in 80 years though still
2023-10-03 18:53:48	NetSysFire	backups are always a good thing to have
2023-10-03 18:56:09	greentail	NetSysFire, what caused this errors? What did I do wrong?  
2023-10-03 18:56:25	NetSysFire	you likely didnt do anything wrong
2023-10-03 18:57:03	NetSysFire	what time is it over there?
2023-10-03 18:57:31	NetSysFire	does the last timestamp you see in sudo journalctl -e roughly match the current time?
2023-10-03 18:57:39	greentail	NetSysFire, 10:27 was 3.5 hours ago.   
2023-10-03 18:57:55	NetSysFire	ok that is not good. paste your dmesg. the dmesg is in memory
2023-10-03 18:58:16	greentail	NetSysFire,  why is that not good, doctor?   :(  
2023-10-03 18:58:42	NetSysFire	that means the journal cant be written to disk because its read-only and to determine the reason we need to inpsect the dmesg
2023-10-03 18:58:58	NetSysFire	the dmesg will be unaffected because it writes to memory and that one is never read-only
2023-10-03 18:59:33	greentail	NetSysFire, how is the time passed related to the problem?   
2023-10-03 18:59:49	NetSysFire	because it indicates when approximately your disk was made read only
2023-10-03 19:00:06	NetSysFire	and due to the log spam of errors it writes to disk constantly
2023-10-03 19:00:38	greentail	NetSysFire,  http://0x0.st/HWul.txt  
2023-10-03 19:01:25	greentail	NetSysFire, at what time approximately was my disk made read-only?  
2023-10-03 19:01:46	NetSysFire	it looks like the dmesg buffer has been exceeded. is that a thing? the messages might be lost
2023-10-03 19:03:04	greentail	NetSysFire, what could possibly have caused this problem?  
2023-10-03 19:03:15	NetSysFire	without the messages we cant know
2023-10-03 19:03:47	NetSysFire	a reboot will likely solve the problem but the kernel doesnt remount your filesystem to ro for nothing. it might have encountered an error, so make sure to backup your stuff just in case
2023-10-03 19:04:03	NetSysFire	huh while you are at it, run smartctl on your disk and see if it tripped
2023-10-03 19:05:00	greentail	NetSysFire, https://bpa.st/3VSQ
2023-10-03 19:05:01	phrik	Title: View paste 3VSQ (at bpa.st)
2023-10-03 19:05:24	NetSysFire	point smartctl -a at the block device
2023-10-03 19:05:35	NetSysFire	think a bit on your own please
2023-10-03 19:07:05	greentail	NetSysFire,  https://bpa.st/S3UQ  
2023-10-03 19:07:07	phrik	Title: View paste S3UQ (at bpa.st)
2023-10-03 19:11:11	greentail	NetSysFire, do the Smartctl results mean anything?  
2023-10-03 19:11:42	NetSysFire	there arent any obvious errors but some values may look off
2023-10-03 19:11:57	NetSysFire	as i said, make sure your stuff is backed up, reboot and hope for the best
2023-10-03 19:12:12	greentail	NetSysFire, thanks for all the help so far. What should I do next? reboot? 
2023-10-03 19:12:23	NetSysFire	make. sure. your. stuff. is. backed. up.
2023-10-03 19:12:44	Tom^	yolo no one has the time for backups
2023-10-03 19:12:53	⚡ 	NetSysFire glares at Tom^
2023-10-03 19:13:00	Tom^	is this an nvme drive?
2023-10-03 19:13:10	NetSysFire	look at the smartctl results
2023-10-03 19:13:20	greentail	Tom^,  it's a 2.5-inch SSD  
2023-10-03 19:13:39	brjl	Never ever seen a fullbay-sized SSD
2023-10-03 19:13:43	Tom^	im having some weird issues since 6.5 where when it drops down in power states it craps out and i had to force nvme_core.default_ps_max_latency_us=0
2023-10-03 19:13:56	Tom^	havent figured out why or so yet and just lived with it but
2023-10-03 19:14:18	greentail	NetSysFire,  my stuff is backed up. If I reboot now, will my data will be erased from the main disk?  
2023-10-03 19:14:24	NetSysFire	no
2023-10-03 19:14:54	NetSysFire	but the issue is that your disk may or may not have emitted an error which is lost to time and it may happen again, indicating a potential fault in the hardware
2023-10-03 19:15:13	NetSysFire	*potential*, we cant say but just prepare for the worst, hope for the best
2023-10-03 19:15:26	MrElendig	brjl: full bay is technically 2x 5.1/4"  :p
2023-10-03 19:15:46	greentail	NetSysFire,  When you say "fault in hardware", you mean the SSD? Or my laptop components that are not the SSD?
2023-10-03 19:15:50	NetSysFire	ssd
2023-10-03 19:16:18	MrElendig	well, almost, 3.75" high
2023-10-03 19:16:28	NetSysFire	theres also spam of i think its your broadcom network card about pci errors which can be software/firmware only, so you may want to look into that
2023-10-03 19:16:55	MrElendig	as for 3.5" ssds, I've seen quite a lot of those, mostly sub TB capacity stupidly expensive enterprise drives
2023-10-03 19:16:57	thurstylark	MrElendig: if you had to eat your hard drive like a sandwich, how large would you have to open your mouth? :P
2023-10-03 19:17:23	NetSysFire	cursed question
2023-10-03 19:17:57	BrainDamage	I can dislocate my jaw like a snek
2023-10-03 19:18:16	greentail	NetSysFire, my SSD is 11 months old. Does that mean that my SSD brand (manufacturer) is crappy?  
2023-10-03 19:18:20	NetSysFire	no
2023-10-03 19:18:35	MrElendig	thurstylark: ~26mmx<layers>
2023-10-03 19:18:39	thurstylark	BrainDamage: no NO! SIR! DO NOT EAT YOUR POWER SUPPLY SIR!
2023-10-03 19:18:45	NetSysFire	greentail: you have written 22k gigabytes to your ssd. it may be old age
2023-10-03 19:18:48	MrElendig	can't remember the exact height of 3.5" drives
2023-10-03 19:19:07	MrElendig	smidge over 26mm or so
2023-10-03 19:19:56	Tom^	greentail: 11 months, have you had it running 24/7 since you bought it?
2023-10-03 19:19:57	MrElendig	I should remember it since I've made 2-300 custom 3.5" drive bays at work
2023-10-03 19:20:08	Tom^	greentail: 8280 power on hours, ~11,3 months
2023-10-03 19:20:11	Tom^	lol
2023-10-03 19:20:36	MrElendig	converted from full height 5 1/4 bays
2023-10-03 19:20:40	ecraven	is there a log of when which package was upgraded?
2023-10-03 19:20:54	Tom^	ecraven: /var/pacman.log
2023-10-03 19:20:56	NetSysFire	on your system? pacman.log
2023-10-03 19:21:05	NetSysFire	internally? no ida
2023-10-03 19:21:07	Edu4rdSHL	greentail, what's the output of `sudo btrfs device stats /`
2023-10-03 19:21:09	MrElendig	ecraven: pacman -v
2023-10-03 19:21:22	Tom^	or well even /var/log/pacman.log
2023-10-03 19:22:51	greentail	NetSysFire,  I'm just a regular everyday normal person. Do most people not write 22k gigabytes (22 terabytes) in 11 months in their computers?  
2023-10-03 19:23:20	greentail	Tom^,  do normal people actually turn off their computers? What for?  
2023-10-03 19:24:31	brjl	Power usage? Less cycling? Letting the machine cool off a bit?
2023-10-03 19:24:31	greentail	Edu4rdSHL,  https://bpa.st/TWNA  
2023-10-03 19:24:33	phrik	Title: View paste TWNA (at bpa.st)
2023-10-03 19:24:46	Edu4rdSHL	There you go
2023-10-03 19:24:55	brjl	I'm sure I've written more than 20TB in a year.
2023-10-03 19:25:00	greentail	Edu4rdSHL,  explain please  
2023-10-03 19:25:06	Edu4rdSHL	greentail, read the log
2023-10-03 19:25:34	greentail	Edu4rdSHL, there are no flush errors, no corruption errors, no generation errors. What's that mean?  
2023-10-03 19:25:41	Edu4rdSHL	You've had read/write IO errors 
2023-10-03 19:26:15	Edu4rdSHL	All of these needs to be zero for a correct functioning 
2023-10-03 19:26:29	NetSysFire	and those errors can hint at a failing disk
2023-10-03 19:26:30	greentail	Edu4rdSHL, what caused those read/write IO errors?  
2023-10-03 19:26:57	greentail	is btrfs superior to ext4?  
2023-10-03 19:27:05	hseg	btw, did anyone end up decoding https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/archiso/-/merge_requests/240 ?
2023-10-03 19:27:07	phrik	Title: configs/releng: Improve motd (!240) · Merge requests · Arch Linux / archiso · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-10-03 19:27:16	Edu4rdSHL	Now, you need to investigate WHY are you having these errors, which can be: hardware problems, some BTRFS issue (unlikely, otherwise a lot of people would be complaining, including me)
2023-10-03 19:27:37	hseg	Was confused by it on new install medium -- thought it was some failing test pattern or sth
2023-10-03 19:28:00	Edu4rdSHL	greentail, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/btrfs#Scrub
2023-10-03 19:28:01	phrik	Title: Btrfs - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-10-03 19:28:27	greentail	Edu4rdSHL,  so that means that the manufacturer of my SSD is kind of crappy, no? Most software devs write more than 20TB in their disks per year, and they don't seem to have this problem. Should I choose a better brand for my next SSD?  
2023-10-03 19:28:32	Edu4rdSHL	It may take some time depending on the amount of data that you have and the speed of the device
2023-10-03 19:29:00	NetSysFire	greentail: theres many factors
2023-10-03 19:29:08	Edu4rdSHL	greentail, sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda
2023-10-03 19:29:37	susi	20TB per year is actually pretty much
2023-10-03 19:29:43	susi	for a software dev
2023-10-03 19:30:12	greentail	susi, pretty much what?  
2023-10-03 19:30:54	greentail	Edu4rdSHL,  https://bpa.st/QQMA  
2023-10-03 19:30:54	phrik	Title: View paste QQMA (at bpa.st)
2023-10-03 19:31:05	MrElendig	20tb/year written to a good 1tb ssd would still mean 30 years until you hit the warranted TBW
2023-10-03 19:31:11	MrElendig	or 15 years for a less good ssd
2023-10-03 19:31:44	greentail	MrElendig,  so that means the manufacturer of my current SSD is a bad one, and I should buy a more expensive SSD next time, right?  
2023-10-03 19:32:10	MrElendig	greentail: evo 870 isn't even expensive :p
2023-10-03 19:32:20	MrElendig	870/970/similar
2023-10-03 19:32:36	MrElendig	greentail: what ssd is it?
2023-10-03 19:32:57	MrElendig	(including the size)
2023-10-03 19:33:32	greentail	MrElendig,   https://bpa.st/QQMA   ; Kingston, 2.5-inch, 1TB capacity
2023-10-03 19:33:34	phrik	Title: View paste QQMA (at bpa.st)
2023-10-03 19:34:20	Edu4rdSHL	These Writes/Reads GiB values seems very high to me
2023-10-03 19:34:33	greentail	Edu4rdSHL, what would be normal?  
2023-10-03 19:35:54	MrElendig	greentail: how old is the drive?
2023-10-03 19:36:14	greentail	MrElendig,  11 months
2023-10-03 19:36:17	MrElendig	I can't find any TBW rating for those
2023-10-03 19:36:28	MrElendig	well, still under warranty then, so rma it
2023-10-03 19:36:45	MrElendig	assuming smartctl complains
2023-10-03 19:37:02	Edu4rdSHL	greentail, nevermind, it's just 25TB, I was doing a wrong conversion
2023-10-03 19:37:18	Edu4rdSHL	SMART reports that the disk is okay 
2023-10-03 19:37:29	MrElendig	ahh found it, 300twb for the 960gb model
2023-10-03 19:37:45	greentail	Edu4rdSHL, what's 25TB?  
2023-10-03 19:37:53	MrElendig	so pretty standard low/trash tier rating
2023-10-03 19:38:02	Edu4rdSHL	Terabytes, greentail
2023-10-03 19:38:38	MrElendig	a400 isn't know for its quality, but its not horrible either
2023-10-03 19:39:15	greentail	Edu4rdSHL,  I know it's terabytes. I meant to ask, why did you mention 25TB? What is that about?  
2023-10-03 19:39:24	ecraven	downgrading mesa helped with my mpv problem ;)
2023-10-03 19:39:26	Edu4rdSHL	I'm using nvmes from Sillicon Power and they offer a very good 900TBW 
2023-10-03 19:39:33	ecraven	now to find out how to mask it, so it won't be upgraded automatically
2023-10-03 19:39:42	MrElendig	greentail: ssds have a limited lifespan when it comes to how much you write to them
2023-10-03 19:39:54	Edu4rdSHL	greentail, the amount of data written to the NAND flash 
2023-10-03 19:40:18	MrElendig	25tb, even if the drive was kept at 90% full most of the time, should be fine
2023-10-03 19:40:27	Edu4rdSHL	Yep
2023-10-03 19:41:00	MrElendig	closer to 100 with a full drive would be an issue though
2023-10-03 19:41:04	Edu4rdSHL	Another thing that may be causing the problems, is the RAM
2023-10-03 19:41:19	Edu4rdSHL	For me, the SSD looks healthy 
2023-10-03 19:41:23	Edu4rdSHL	So, it may be the RAM
2023-10-03 19:41:36	greentail	MrElendig,  you're saying it "should be fine", but mine is not. So you're saying it's the fault of the manufacturer?  
2023-10-03 19:41:51	greentail	Edu4rdSHL,  how can I tell whether the RAM is having problems?  
2023-10-03 19:42:06	Edu4rdSHL	Doing a memtest
2023-10-03 19:42:47	Edu4rdSHL	Also, just to discard, are you doing some overclocking/undervolting?
2023-10-03 19:43:16	MrElendig	greentail: its never guaranteed, drives might be broken from the factory, last 100mb or last 1000tb
2023-10-03 19:43:43	MrElendig	but the stated warranties are generally conservative
2023-10-03 19:43:49	greentail	Edu4rdSHL,  am not doing any overclocking nor undervolting. 
2023-10-03 19:43:52	MrElendig	and for your drive its 3 years / 300twb
2023-10-03 19:43:59	greentail	Edu4rdSHL,  what's a good tool to do a memtest?  
2023-10-03 19:44:15	MrElendig	greentail: memtest86. the "new" one that does uefi
2023-10-03 19:45:05	MrElendig	extra/memtest86+-efi 6.20-1
2023-10-03 19:45:14	MrElendig	or use their iso image
2023-10-03 19:46:29	greentail	MrElendig, the problem is that my disk is faulty, so whenever I try to install any package (including memtest), it returns could not lock database.  
2023-10-03 19:46:51	MrElendig	19:45:13    MrElendig │ or use their iso image
2023-10-03 19:47:04	greentail	MrElendig,  you mean to say that the warranty for my drive is 3 years and 300TWB ?  
2023-10-03 19:47:17	MrElendig	or, whichever comes first
2023-10-03 19:47:45	MrElendig	just like your car
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2023-10-03 19:48:21	Edu4rdSHL	greentail, you're assuming that your disk is faulty, but, for me, the problem is not the disk but probably the memory
2023-10-03 19:49:50	fluix	the problem is that your kernel detected a problem and remounted your disk read-only. you can reboot to remount read write and see if you catch the error next time
2023-10-03 19:50:05	MrElendig	boot install image, smartctl -t short as a start
2023-10-03 19:50:14	Edu4rdSHL	The disk haven't show signs of malfunctioning according to SMART, also, the amount of data written is low, and its relatively new
2023-10-03 19:50:27	greentail	fluix, how do I remount read-write?  
2023-10-03 19:50:28	MrElendig	for memtest its going to take 2-6h
2023-10-03 19:50:45	MrElendig	depending on paranoia, ram amount and speed
2023-10-03 19:50:50	greentail	MrElendig, when you say 'boot install image', you mean to boot from live USB? 
2023-10-03 19:50:57	MrElendig	yes
2023-10-03 19:51:09	fluix	you can "reboot" as I said, or perhaps `mount` with options, I don't know if that works
2023-10-03 19:51:50	fluix	maybe `mount -o remount rw /` works for root?
2023-10-03 19:52:03	fluix	s/remount rw/remount,rw/
2023-10-03 20:01:18	greentail	Before my current boot, the following happened. The screen showed me the GRUB menu, and I chose ArchLinux, and pressed Enter. Then it showed me the white screen with the Dell logo. That screen usually goes away after 3 seconds, but this time it got stuck there for more than 2 minutes. So I decided to press and hold the Power button of my laptop. 
2023-10-03 20:01:46	greentail	And then my laptop shut down. And then I turned it on again and started normally. Does that have anything to do with my current problem?  
2023-10-03 20:09:43	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-10-03 20:59:04	Trel	I'd boot without quiet and with nosplash if it's hanging on boot at all so you can see where it is when it does
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2023-10-03 21:14:44	greentail	When I run ls, I get this:  "-bash: /usr/bin/ls: Input/output error"
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2023-10-03 22:41:42	alad	but you can use `pacsift --name=...`
2023-10-03 22:42:57	greentail	alad, what should I type after "name"? The name of a package? Like firefox, for example?  
2023-10-03 22:43:12	alad	yes
2023-10-03 22:43:46	alad	you can also specify --name multiple times which gives you the intersection (or union with --any)
2023-10-03 23:16:54	vee	susi: oh, just in the vimrc; not a cmd arg
2023-10-03 23:21:01	Trel	alad: pacsift doesn't work either, same output as -Slq
2023-10-03 23:21:23	Trel	sorry, almost the same, it does prefix with repo/ but it does NOT indicate installed status, and it's not colorized or able to be
2023-10-03 23:33:12	alad	you're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist, or that at least you already solved
2023-10-03 23:36:03	alad	if the issue is about grep and coloring, you can do pacman -Sl --color=always | grep <search term> --color=never
2023-10-03 23:38:48	alad	and to only match on the package column, use awk: pacman -Sl --color=always | awk '$2 ~ /term/'
2023-10-04 00:04:56	Trel	alad: it's about getting all of the information I want which included install status, and not the clutter I don't, which includes descriptions.
2023-10-04 00:05:23	Trel	My current solution was to do alias pacsearch='pacman -Sl --color=always | grep '
2023-10-04 04:09:42	greentail	btrfs
2023-10-04 04:10:10	greentail	Sorry, didn't mean to send that.  
2023-10-04 04:12:22	greentail	Hi. I just ran again `$ sudo btrfs device stats /`  ; it still says it has write-io errors and read-io errors. However, my computer is operating normally now. What should I do about those error stats?  
2023-10-04 04:14:00	Edu4rdSHL	greentail, sudo btrfs device stats -z
2023-10-04 04:14:07	Edu4rdSHL	If you want to reset them
2023-10-04 04:14:20	greentail	https://bpa.st/SVMA  
2023-10-04 04:14:21	phrik	Title: View paste SVMA (at bpa.st)
2023-10-04 04:14:27	Edu4rdSHL	But as I said previously, what you needs to do is a scrub
2023-10-04 04:14:30	Edu4rdSHL	Do you did that?
2023-10-04 04:14:57	greentail	Edu4rdSHL, should I reset the error stats? Is that a good thing to do?  Oh, so I should do a scrub. Sorry, I missed that part.  
2023-10-04 04:15:46	Edu4rdSHL	greentail, now you have reset the stats. Do a scrub and see if it report errors again
2023-10-04 04:16:37	greentail	Edu4rdSHL,  I haven't reset the stats yet. Should I reset the stats before doing a scrub?  
2023-10-04 04:18:16	greentail	how can I have btrfs continuously show me the status of the current scrub?  The ArchWiki says I should run a command every time I want to know the status, but I want to continuously see the status.  
2023-10-04 04:19:01	Edu4rdSHL	greentail, see --help :)
2023-10-04 04:21:14	greentail	Edu4rdSHL,  btrfs scrub status --help ; that still doesn't tell me how to do it. Should I run "watch" or something?  
2023-10-04 04:21:48	Edu4rdSHL	btrfs scrub start --help
2023-10-04 04:22:53	greentail	Edu4rdSHL,  the scrub finished. No errors found. What should I do next?  
2023-10-04 04:23:28	greentail	Edu4rdSHL, the link you sent about scrub belongs to the RAID section. I'm not doing RAID. Does it still apply to my situation? 
2023-10-04 04:23:30	Edu4rdSHL	Reset the stats and be happy
2023-10-04 04:24:04	greentail	I only know how to reset the stats. How do I go about the second part of your instructions?  
2023-10-04 04:24:18	Edu4rdSHL	Which ones?
2023-10-04 04:25:02	greentail	Edu4rdSHL, nevermind, I was just being silly, lol  
2023-10-04 04:25:22	greentail	how is it that the abbreviation of "reset" is "z" ?
2023-10-04 04:28:54	Edu4rdSHL	zero-ed
2023-10-04 04:28:56	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2023-10-04 04:29:09	greentail	Edu4rdSHL, interesting
2023-10-04 04:36:19	Edu4rdSHL	I'm just joking :p
2023-10-04 04:43:33	greentail	Edu4rdSHL,  but it seems reasonable though, no? Like, you're zeroing the stats. Why couldn't that be the official explanation?  
2023-10-04 05:25:14	ryzendar	I am noticing an issue for first time now that wasn't an issue before yesterday. Logging in to Plasma desktop [as a newly created user I just created with fresh default settings] and clicking bottom-right corner icon for "Networks" shows that almost every wifi network appears that I am connected to it, and shows a "Disconnect" button to the right for each of them. https://0x0.st/HWjx.png
2023-10-04 05:25:41	ryzendar	I'm sure this will appear in all the desktop environments, not just Plasma, but I haven't tested that yet
2023-10-04 05:46:50	ryzendar	actually, I just tested all the other desktop environments I have installed, and Plasma appears to be the only one showing that kind of issue [upon quick review for each], not even KDE/Openbox shows the same issue, but now after a few reboots and logging in to Plasma again, the issues seems gone now. I dunno, whatever, nevermind
2023-10-04 05:47:17	ryzendar	Plasma is now showing "Connect" button as expected.
2023-10-04 05:50:11	mefistofeles	ryzendar: wow, that was a crazy issue
2023-10-04 05:50:16	mefistofeles	I've never seen that
2023-10-04 05:54:08	ryzendar	mefistofeles, haha, yeah, I tried to reproduce it too, and I can't reproduce it, so not a big deal anymore
2023-10-04 05:58:55	ryzendar	Okay, now on to next issues [note: still working on a newly purchased laptop I got for my mother: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2120784] and last night Pikk3wyn helped me to fix some things, and I he seemed to have fixed amdgpu glitches that I have been seeing since day one installing archlinux until last night. I reverted back to /etc/default/grub: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" and ran
2023-10-04 05:58:55	ryzendar	`grub-mkconfig -o 
2023-10-04 05:58:55	ryzendar	/boot/grub/grub.cfg` and immediately I can reproduce the video glitches again, so I'm gonna try to narrow down what specifically in this line [GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nowatchdog hpet=off pcie_aspm=0 amd_iommu=off usbcore.autosuspend=-1 btusb.enable_autosuspend=0 amdgpu.runpm=0 amdgpu.aspm=0 amdgpu.bapm=0 amdgpu.audio=0 amdgpu.gpu_recovery=1 amdgpu.noretry=0"] fixes the issue and update the post with
2023-10-04 05:58:55	ryzendar	details
2023-10-04 05:58:55	phrik	Title: Dell Alienware M18 R1 AMD / Laptop Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-10-04 06:14:51	killown	any reason why xmodmap changes wouldn't affect firefox?
2023-10-04 06:15:06	killown	chromium is ok
2023-10-04 06:32:11	ryzendar	huh, I'm confused. As I mentioned above about /etc/default/grub: I set GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nowatchdog" and ran `grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg` and rebooted, and then following https://linuxhint.com/linux-kernel-watchdog-explained/ "If you want to test if the hardware watchdog is working, you can do the following from your administrator command prompt: `cat >> /dev/watchdog` and I did
2023-10-04 06:32:11	ryzendar	that, and after 30-60 seconds 
2023-10-04 06:32:11	ryzendar	or so, the laptop rebooted, but doesn't the "nowatchdog" flag mean that it shouldn't reboot?
2023-10-04 06:32:11	phrik	Title: Linux Kernel Watchdog Explained (at linuxhint.com)
2023-10-04 06:33:57	ryzendar	`dmesg|grep -i watchdog` => [    0.000000] Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-linux-lts root=UUID=85010650-dc88-4404-8f7e-5b8a469346ca rw nowatchdog loglevel=3 splash
2023-10-04 06:35:20	ryzendar	oh, and how can I make the default latest version linux kernel be first boot option in grub instead of the lts one?
2023-10-04 06:36:16	dwi	ryzendar: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Setting_the_top-level_menu_entry
2023-10-04 06:36:18	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-10-04 06:36:35	ryzendar	or, more importantly I should ask: on a laptop I'm gifting to my mother, who doesn't know practically anything about computers despite using them since 30 years ago, should I prepare the lts kernel or default kernel for her to use?
2023-10-04 06:37:19	dwi	also sending data to /dev/watchdog is sending data to the watchdog device, which will always function. nowatchdog usage of them, not the device. if you want to disable the device you'll need to blacklist the kernel module
2023-10-04 06:38:05	rcf	ryzendar: it doesn't matter, for Arch they're effectively so close that I've never once been saved by it, and at least once the linux-lts advanced beyond linux in terms of version. 
2023-10-04 06:38:17	bookworm	ryzendar: you don't want Arch... get her a stable distro that doesn't change from under her. The kernel is not your problem 
2023-10-04 06:38:36	rcf	^
2023-10-04 06:38:38	dwi	heh yeah, I agree with bookworm
2023-10-04 06:38:58	dwi	put her on LTS ubuntu or something
2023-10-04 06:40:44	ryzendar	bookworm, wrong, and I've mentioned here previously, see: https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/8kqaf7/comment/dzbb746/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 or more importantly https://old.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/314whc/installing_arch_as_a_true_linux_beginner/ "Here's the real reason why Arch is not ideal for newbies. Arch makes virtually no choices for you. That's it."
2023-10-04 06:40:46	phrik	Title: keithcu comments on Best distro for non tech-savvy senior citizens? (at old.reddit.com)
2023-10-04 06:42:18	ryzendar	claiming that a mother of a human is not able to be comfortable to handle choices is sophistication, probably a bad comedy joke manufacturing process, in my opinion, and practically disrespectful too, lol
2023-10-04 06:42:22	bookworm	ryzendar: it's not wrong and I don't do reddit 
2023-10-04 06:42:56	bookworm	a mother certainly can use Arch, mine can't 
2023-10-04 06:43:16	ryzendar	mine can't either, but she can after she does, therefore invalidating the idea that she can't, lol
2023-10-04 06:43:31	bookworm	considering the "doesn't know anything" is a poor start
2023-10-04 06:43:44	rcf	ryzendar: I can understand the sentiment, but it doesn't work out in practice. For example, consider the recent spate of 0days. On an LTS distro, you can get an update and a fix that will explicitly not break everything or change it to the extent that you need to do anything other than say "you need to upgrade to stay safe". On Arch? A full system upgrade. Or mitigations that render the system
2023-10-04 06:43:47	rcf	basically unsable unless you don't need to look at images in a web browser. 
2023-10-04 06:44:36	bookworm	and if you do update, suddenly gnome or whatever had a major update and stuff is all over the place
2023-10-04 06:44:52	dwi	The problem for non-technical users is in the choices that need to be made. It is trivial as a technical person to overlook all of the choices you make.
2023-10-04 06:44:52	dwi	When $random.service is deprecated and it needs to be replaced by $newRandom.service, will she be comfortable reconfiguring things? What about if for some reason the package keyring get wedged?
2023-10-04 06:44:52	dwi	This is also about future proof for your own benefit, less amount of possible tech support.
2023-10-04 06:45:02	bookworm	which for us is like, yey, shiny but for non techies?
2023-10-04 06:46:18	ryzendar	well, I guess, for what it's worth, if she wants to use a different distro of linux, then she can do it herself, because if she can't handle archlinux, then she will have the energy to make the choice to use something else
2023-10-04 06:46:41	dwi	are you going to setup say, usb auto mount for her?
2023-10-04 06:46:52	dwi	what about getting it setup so that printing without any drivers would work?
2023-10-04 06:47:03	ryzendar	I've been setting things up for a few weeks now, still working on it
2023-10-04 06:47:11	rcf	ryzendar: my criteria is often, if you have to ask about linux-lts, it's not ideal. It implies a concern about maintenance burden in the face of breaking changes. A hesitancy to YOLO things that doesn't indicate a real confidence in the rolling release model. 
2023-10-04 06:47:24	ryzendar	she doesn't have a printer and probably won't need to print anything, but if she does, I can work on that too.
2023-10-04 06:48:10	dwi	If you are having to spend weeks getting a machine setup for her, I'd strongly consider an LTS distro.
2023-10-04 06:49:34	rcf	ryzendar: without that confidence, giving it as a gift is probably more a gift in the German sense than the English one. 
2023-10-04 06:49:46	ryzendar	dwi, I'm also using the time for taking notes to share for anyone else that may have similar issues with the specific model laptop in case any of them can be fixed. For example the webcam/mic were not working, and still the microphone isn't, but somehow the webcam seems to have partial working capabilities, and I have yet to further confirm 
2023-10-04 06:49:47	dwi	LOL
2023-10-04 06:50:46	dwi	dwi - that's admirable, but the reality is you are setting your mother for failure by putting your own personal priorities ahead of her needs.
2023-10-04 06:51:02	dwi	err
2023-10-04 06:51:23	dwi	stupid drunk me not realizing i auto completed wrong 
2023-10-04 06:51:24	ryzendar	dwi not really, and as I told her, even if she uses the laptop once in 5 years or once and never again, I'm okay with that.
2023-10-04 06:51:34	eam	just show her how to get on irc, she'll be fine
2023-10-04 06:51:37	dwi	perfect example
2023-10-04 06:54:47	sos666	anyone know if you need iommu kernel param set on both vm host and guest for passthrough?
2023-10-04 06:57:33	dwi	host: yes, guest: if using qemu via kvm, you'll need to make sure the cpu is configured correctly for iommu pass through stuff. If you wish to use the IOMMU in the guest, it will need to be enabled there as well.
2023-10-04 07:04:45	sos666	cool ty, so set param in both then just find the right settings in virt manager. believe host is already configured for it
2023-10-04 07:06:31	dwi	are you passing through a regular pcie device?
2023-10-04 07:07:18	sos666	hoping to pass igpu
2023-10-04 07:08:07	dwi	ahh. I've not done igpus, I've had good luck with my gpu and nvmes. 
2023-10-04 07:10:03	dwi	depending upon the needs inside the VM, using the virtio gpu stuff can be fairly decent and avoids any pcie pass-through weirdness. 
2023-10-04 07:15:15	sos666	this one doesn't really need much, just want a smoother vm. still looking up how to optimize the settings. may pass the gpu eventually to test performance, only thing i log into windows for is rocksmith lol so latency would probably kill it
2023-10-04 07:23:28	ryzendar	`dmesg` from during boot sequence,  https://0x0.st/HWeu.txt and then second later in the boot sequence `dmesg` also shows "[    1.416224] clocksource: Switched to clocksource hpet"
2023-10-04 07:24:04	ryzendar	but a couple weeks ago `dmesg` during boot sequence didn't show the 0x0.st chunk above, and instead "[    1.440143] clocksource: Switched to clocksource tsc-early" 
2023-10-04 07:24:48	ryzendar	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF#Host_clocksource_is_HPET_rather_than_TSC says "If the clocksource of your host machine is HPET you may see severely crippled performance in games."
2023-10-04 07:24:49	phrik	Title: PCI passthrough via OVMF - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-10-04 07:26:49	ryzendar	but rebooting agan now, it seems back to tsc again
2023-10-04 07:34:54	ryzendar	but I guess hpet=off kernel line resolves that issue
2023-10-04 08:03:50	mcoffin	Anyone else having issues w/ `xdg-desktop-portal` since the 1.18 rollout to stable today? despite the impls running, and showing what seems to me to be correct DBus interfaces (on the impls), the ScreenCast, FileChooser, ScreenShot interfaces still don't show under the root portal
2023-10-04 08:04:05	mcoffin	[this commit](https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/xdg-desktop-portal-wlr/-/commit/9112a628096996b1e2110e6fb97e3e896676946f) purports to "un-break" it, so I'll look at what was done, but it doesn't seem to be cutting ir right now for me
2023-10-04 08:04:06	phrik	Title: Sign in · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-10-04 08:22:08	mcoffin	downgrading `xdg-desktop-portal` obviously works, but it would be nice to know what went wrong, since it seems like the downstream adjustments should be present based on that commit in the -wlr impl
2023-10-04 08:28:01	rcf	mcoffin: this is after restarting everything, right? Preferably a reboot 
2023-10-04 08:55:09	mcoffin	rcf: Correct. Turns out `xdg-desktop-portal` on newer versions is *very* strict about matching via `UseIn` directives for .portal files (it will not provide the portal if UseIn doesn't match XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP (which wasn't even set for me by gdm)). Reading through https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/blob/main/doc/portals-conf.rst got me to a manual configuration that works for me,
2023-10-04 08:55:09	mcoffin	but the 
2023-10-04 08:55:15	mcoffin	defaults that are shipping right now could definitely use some maturing for your average user
2023-10-04 08:56:27	mcoffin	for instance, a custom-named .desktop file to launch a session (that isn't the canonical `gnome`, `sway`, etc. will currently not match any portals). *likely* the solution here would be to restore the previous behavior of loading all portals by having `xdg-desktop-portal` ship a /usr/share/xdg-desktop-portal/portals.conf (the non-session-specific config file), with a default=* line
2023-10-04 08:56:56	mcoffin	but that's just my first take -- I'm sure the packaging will mature and come to a sane set of defaults quickly
2023-10-04 08:58:57	mcoffin	(previously, if there were no other available impls, it *would* surface those from non-matching .portal files)
2023-10-04 08:59:58	mcoffin	basically just read the stupid portals-conf.rst file I'm not explaining it well. The new system makes sense, just packaging not quite caught up with it yet imo
2023-10-04 09:04:47	rcf	mcoffin: ah, that does make sense. 
2023-10-04 09:04:55	rcf	Recently a lot of people had issues with it not being selective enough 
2023-10-04 09:18:11	mcoffin	rcf: yea it makes sense, just need the packaging defaults to catch up a bit to give a good out-of-the-box experience for your normal bear. makes sense
2023-10-04 09:19:15	mcoffin	not sure why `XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP` isn't getting set *at all* for me at the moment with out-of-the-box `.desktop` session files (or my custom one), so that'll likely trip up a few people unless I somehow caused that behavior
2023-10-04 09:25:44	ryzendar	Logging in to Plasma desktop environment I think I selected i3 for something, but I want to change that, but I don't know where to look.
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2023-10-04 11:01:17	average	When do we get a proper musl-based distro
2023-10-04 11:01:32	average	I’m kindof tired of glibc and I think everyone is
2023-10-04 11:02:36	laird	show us what you're working on so far
2023-10-04 11:04:19	Ennea	average, doesn't alpine use musl?
2023-10-04 11:05:01	average	Ennea: yeah but barely any packages
2023-10-04 11:05:34	Ennea	what was the saying? be the change you wanna see in the world
2023-10-04 11:05:34	average	laird: me showing you? What am I, a presenter now? Impromptu conference, what is this?
2023-10-04 11:05:53	jelle	average: don't be passive aggressive
2023-10-04 11:06:52	laird	average: thought so
2023-10-04 11:07:19	laird	i'd be more kind to these generous people
2023-10-04 11:07:21	average	jelle: thanks, he really showed me
2023-10-04 11:07:54	average	Anyways if there was a musl-based distro I’d use it
2023-10-04 11:08:07	jelle	there is
2023-10-04 11:08:26	average	Which one?
2023-10-04 11:08:32	laird	google it
2023-10-04 11:08:40	laird	are we here to answer your dumb questions or what
2023-10-04 11:08:58	laird	ps. you're below average
2023-10-04 11:09:12	jelle	laird: ....
2023-10-04 11:09:15	average	jelle: you’re not gonna tell him anything right? It’s only me who is passive aggressive
2023-10-04 11:09:44	jelle	kindergarten is elsewhere, enjoy your 1 hour timeout in the corner
2023-10-04 11:16:28	jelle	average: it seems trolling and flaming has been a large part of your past behaviour so you get converted into a week ban
2023-10-04 11:19:50	Abdullah	so I have docker installed. whenever I run docker as my user, I get errors like: Cannot connect to the Docker daemon at unix:///home/ak/.docker/desktop/docker.sock. Is the docker daemon running?
2023-10-04 11:20:44	astralc	did you do the steps to allow to use docker command as user?
2023-10-04 11:21:14	astralc	also, is the docker service up?
2023-10-04 11:22:10	Abdullah	astralc:what are the steps to run as user? added my user to group docker
2023-10-04 11:22:47	astralc	relogin after you added yourself to the group so it will take effect
2023-10-04 11:23:26	astralc	also, is the docker service up?
2023-10-04 11:23:32	astralc	you need to start/enable it
2023-10-04 11:23:34	mcoffin	^ but do be careful doing that. It's effectively passwordless root privs if you're running just default settings on the docker daemon (which allows containers to do some relatively privileged things)
2023-10-04 11:23:36	MrElendig	sidenote: podman is quite a bit nicer
2023-10-04 11:23:44	MrElendig	specially for running rootless
2023-10-04 11:24:19	Abdullah	docker service and socket both are running
2023-10-04 11:24:54	mcoffin	Abdullah: did you re-log after adding yourself to the docker group?
2023-10-04 11:24:58	Abdullah	yeah, I did. 
2023-10-04 11:25:16	mcoffin	so, docker shows up in `groups'?
2023-10-04 11:25:22	Abdullah	I was previously using docker-desktop and everything was working 
2023-10-04 11:25:37	Abdullah	yeah docker is in my groups
2023-10-04 11:25:56	mcoffin	oh wait, it's trying to connect to a docker socket in your home directory...
2023-10-04 11:25:59	wunit	is it normal for docker to connect to a socket in the user's home...?
2023-10-04 11:26:06	wunit	ah, ninja'd
2023-10-04 11:26:38	mcoffin	I imagine docker-desktop (not familiar myself) left a config file around that tells the CLI to point at that non-system-wide docker socket location
2023-10-04 11:27:55	Abdullah	so I think its safe to rm ~/.docker ?
2023-10-04 11:28:30	mcoffin	depends what you mean by "safe"? What don't you want it to do? if that was where it was storing images/volumes/etc, then those would be lost
2023-10-04 11:30:08	Abdullah	it has -rw-r--r-- 1 ak ak 64G Oct  3 00:14 Docker.raw
2023-10-04 11:30:58	jelle	that's likely the docker VM
2023-10-04 11:31:16	mcoffin	Abdullah: check your ~/.docker/config.json -- there's likely a key left in there pointing at the docker socket (or you have it saved in your environment, as $DOCKER_HOST)
2023-10-04 11:31:57	mcoffin	but if you want to keep any of the local state from w/e docker-desktop did in case you need it, then I wouldn't nuke that
2023-10-04 11:32:47	mcoffin	barring that, check `docker context list' to see if it's just set up as a secondary context
2023-10-04 11:33:39	Abdullah	Docker_host is empty. and it has {
2023-10-04 11:33:41	Abdullah	    "auths": {},
2023-10-04 11:33:43	Abdullah	    "credsStore": "desktop",
2023-10-04 11:33:45	Abdullah	    "currentContext": "desktop-linux"
2023-10-04 11:33:47	Abdullah	}"auths": {},
2023-10-04 11:33:49	Abdullah	    "credsStore": "desktop",
2023-10-04 11:33:51	Abdullah	    "currentContext": "desktop-linux"
2023-10-04 11:34:24	mcoffin	`docker context use default'?
2023-10-04 11:35:03	Abdullah	Now working again.
2023-10-04 11:35:06	mcoffin	I've never mucked w/ contexts before... just overrode env directly, but that seems like it would set you back to the "default" context, which would default to using the system-wide daemon
2023-10-04 11:35:21	Abdullah	mcoffin: Thanks
2023-10-04 11:54:47	jl2	eam: remember yesterdays dhcpcd problem?I'm at school and the problem didn't fix itself by forgeting the network
2023-10-04 11:55:22	bf_	Off-topic: Does anybody recognize this kind of encoding? 0032p00003jSNm9AAG
2023-10-04 12:08:13	grawity	bf_: at first glance looks like git wire protocol pkt-lines (four hex-digits length prefix)
2023-10-04 12:08:24	grawity	where did you get that from, exactly?
2023-10-04 12:08:26	bf_	it's a customerid from vodafone
2023-10-04 12:08:38	bf_	I was wondering if it is some composite index of archaic database such as oracle
2023-10-04 12:08:42	bf_	and how to iterate it :-)
2023-10-04 12:08:44	grawity	ah, yeah, no, no idea then
2023-10-04 12:09:09	bf_	maybe some sharding information in the first part, then zero-padded base64 userid at the end
2023-10-04 12:10:45	krumelmonster	A few days ago, I finally switched to firefox but sadly, it crashes quite often. I don't really remember if it might have been the case with recent crashes but right now, it crashed during or just after a `pacman -Syu`. I would like to "roll back" this whole set of updates, then restart firefox, then do the update again to see if it reproduces the crash. Any recommendation on how to undo this
2023-10-04 12:10:45	krumelmonster	last set of package updates?
2023-10-04 12:11:10	krumelmonster	Firefox wasn't updated itself which is why I want to redo the whole set of updates
2023-10-04 12:11:15	bf_	afaik krumelmonster: it's quite hard to install old packages in arch linux unless you have them in your pacman cache
2023-10-04 12:11:32	bf_	did you try disabling things such as video codecs? 3d acceleration?
2023-10-04 12:11:48	bf_	do you have a stack trace or error message you receive when running firefox from cmdline?
2023-10-04 12:11:48	krumelmonster	well for sure they are in the cache bf_
2023-10-04 12:12:05	bf_	I mean there is a pacman log, you can go downgrading things one by one
2023-10-04 12:12:15	grawity	hard as in `sudo downgrade foo`
2023-10-04 12:12:38	krumelmonster	There's nothing in coredumpctl and firefoxes crash reporter window was not informative at all
2023-10-04 12:13:49	bf_	krumelmonster: maybe you can reproduce with running it from cmdline, that would definitely help to file a bug
2023-10-04 12:13:54	bf_	grawity: didnt know that o.o
2023-10-04 12:14:45	BrainDamage	downgrading a single program is easy, the problem is if the single program relies on up-to-date libs, that's when the pain starts
2023-10-04 12:14:49	grawity	unfortunately it still only queries ALA, not the really old stuff that was offloaded to archive.org
2023-10-04 12:14:54	grawity	which I have a custom script for
2023-10-04 12:21:49	krumelmonster	Okay I have a list of what I want to downgrade from `cat /var/log/pacman.log | sed -n 's/^\[2023-10-04.*\] \[ALPM\] upgraded \(.*\) (\(.*\) -> \(.*\))$/\1 \2/p'` sed is so ugly :D
2023-10-04 12:25:01	jl2	Hi, dhcpcd doesn't assign a ipv4
2023-10-04 12:25:31	krumelmonster	And here comes a thing I was always wondering. For such things, I like to use my texteditors search/replace functionality because for one I like its regex syntax better () makes a group and not \(\) (same with + etc) aaand more importantly, I can just use \n both in search and in replace. Is there a commandline tool that works this way?
2023-10-04 12:26:29	jl2	oops, pressed enter to early: to the school network, but does for at least 2 others. The problem exists since I changed from iwd's internal ip manager to dhcpcd
2023-10-04 12:27:06	jl2	none of iwd, dhcpcd or systemd-resolved show errors
2023-10-04 12:27:20	NetSysFire	increase verbosity of dhcpcd then
2023-10-04 12:27:32	NetSysFire	"school network" screams like mac filtering though
2023-10-04 12:28:18	krumelmonster	jl2: I like to use `sudo nmap --script broadcast-dhcp-discover` to see if there's a dhcp server reachable at all
2023-10-04 12:28:36	jl2	I use a randomized mac, and it uses a login page
2023-10-04 12:28:48	jl2	but firefox didn't show the page
2023-10-04 12:29:02	krumelmonster	(you might need to add -e IFACE to select the interface on which to make the dhcp request)
2023-10-04 12:29:27	NetSysFire	for networks like these you dont want a randomized mac
2023-10-04 12:29:36	NetSysFire	use a stable random one
2023-10-04 12:29:51	krumelmonster	jl2: these login pages are somewhat fragile. That's why neverssl.com exists^^
2023-10-04 12:29:54	NetSysFire	so generate a random one once and use it forever
2023-10-04 12:30:47	krumelmonster	I agree, you can configure stable mac randomization in networkmanager per-connection or as a default in NetworkManager.conf using wifi.cloned-mac-address=stable
2023-10-04 12:31:08	NetSysFire	they didnt mention networkmanager
2023-10-04 12:31:17	BrainDamage	krumelmonster: most command line tools are line-based, you can however do tricks like converting lines to another character like \0 before and after
2023-10-04 12:32:50	krumelmonster	BrainDamage I think I see a market gap for my learning rust coding project :D 
2023-10-04 12:33:41	krumelmonster	Technology has hit a point where it is possible to have multiple lines of text in memory at once
2023-10-04 12:35:09	krumelmonster	sed came out in 1974 so it's an understandable design choice
2023-10-04 12:36:21	NetSysFire	wow sed is nearly 50 years old
2023-10-04 12:37:51	jl2	AddressRandomization=once fixed it, thx guys
2023-10-04 12:41:56	krumelmonster	NetSysFire: https://web.archive.org/web/20180809195452/http://www.columbia.edu/~rh120/ch106.x09 50 years ago to the month, unix moved from assembly to C :D sed was under initial development at the time while ed had been around for two years
2023-10-04 12:41:57	phrik	Title: Wayback Machine (at web.archive.org)
2023-10-04 12:43:07	krumelmonster	Also october '73 PWB/UNIX was first installed on a workstation^^
2023-10-04 12:50:41	krumelmonster	so some packages listed by `cat /var/log/pacman.log | sed -n 's/^\[2023-10-04.*\] \[ALPM\] upgraded \(.*\) (\(.*\) -> \(.*\))$/\1 \2/p'` are missing from /var/cache/pacman/pkg and it seems that it's those which have only an updated rel but stayed at the same version. There's a tool to downgrade from the archive mirrors, right?
2023-10-04 12:51:50	krumelmonster	ohhh no nvm
2023-10-04 12:52:13	BrainDamage	krumelmonster: you should still allow a line buffered option so that pipelines can work
2023-10-04 12:54:40	krumelmonster	BrainDamage good point. Maybe I find a regex library that is smart enough to know when to flush e.g. that any regex that can never match a newline allows to flush linewise
2023-10-04 13:05:14	krumelmonster	so it seems downgrade has no non-interactive mode and since my downgrade includes a set of 170 haskell packages, for each one I must wait a bit and then press enter. Or I run downgrade --cached-only on my list and then manually downgrade those missing locally until it runs
2023-10-04 15:19:22	susi	I'm uu
2023-10-04 15:20:16	susi	I'm happy to announce, that the significant power usage increase due to recent updates/upgrades I've been complaining about is now history due to just-done -Syu
2023-10-04 15:20:24	susi	back to previous levels
2023-10-04 15:25:22	susi	would have been nice to know what exactly caused it, but... 
2023-10-04 15:27:24	NetSysFire	it sounds like a regression was fixed somewhere
2023-10-04 16:01:23	frojnd	Hi there.
2023-10-04 16:01:33	NetSysFire	!welcomerpg
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2023-10-04 16:03:43	frojnd	If I want to run haskell scripts that have #!/usr/bin/env runhaskell shebang, what haskell package should I install?
2023-10-04 16:04:54	Namarrgon	at least the one that provides 'runhaskell'
2023-10-04 16:05:12	frojnd	xmonad seems to have one
2023-10-04 16:07:15	Namarrgon	?pkgfile runhaskell
2023-10-04 16:07:16	@EMIYA	Namarrgon: extra/ghc 9.0.2-3 (/usr/bin/runhaskell)
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2023-10-07 12:14:58	MrElendig	also see the makepkg man page for how to override it non-permanently
2023-10-07 12:15:38	GuiToris	I use BUILDDIR=/tmp/makepkg
2023-10-07 12:15:54	MrElendig	which is generally a bad idea
2023-10-07 12:16:10	MrElendig	but as said, makepkg(8)
2023-10-07 12:16:45	MrElendig	also a hint: makepkg is just bash, and makepkg.conf just contains shell variables :)
2023-10-07 12:21:59	GuiToris	another question, the official channel is very abandoned. If a program exits with this "Segmentation fault (core dumped)". Is there anything I can do about it?
2023-10-07 12:24:03	MrElendig	so you are not on arch?
2023-10-07 12:24:48	xulfer	GuiToris:  You can debug it if you want.
2023-10-07 12:25:14	GuiToris	xulfer, I am an end user
2023-10-07 12:25:29	MrElendig	learn C and fix it if its free software
2023-10-07 12:27:34	GuiToris	or, I can report it and it will have been fixed by the next decade
2023-10-07 12:37:31	laird	at least it was written at all, so you can complain about something
2023-10-07 12:40:39	GuiToris	there are many programs that haven't been written yet, and I can complain about them too
2023-10-07 12:42:04	GuiToris	Linus loves complaining and there is nothing wrong with that
2023-10-07 12:42:12	GuiToris	if you do something, do it right
2023-10-07 12:42:42	GuiToris	if the program exits before it could be used, it's a pretty shitty software
2023-10-07 12:44:03	MrElendig	you are way behind the times
2023-10-07 12:44:17	MrElendig	we have been in the worse is better era for 20+ years now
2023-10-07 12:45:00	jclsn	How to fix "already exists in filesystem" for glibc-locales?
2023-10-07 12:45:22	MrElendig	by not using that
2023-10-07 12:45:47	MrElendig	anyway, same way as for any other package
2023-10-07 12:45:57	MrElendig	1. make sure your system is fully up to date
2023-10-07 12:46:04	MrElendig	2. pacman -Qo the conflicting files
2023-10-07 12:48:39	jclsn	pacman -Qo? I alreads know they are part of glibc and glibc-locales. glibc can't be uninstalled
2023-10-07 12:50:27	jclsn	ah pacman -S --overwrite \* glibc
2023-10-07 12:50:29	⚡ 	MrElendig wants exact output
2023-10-07 12:51:20	jclsn	and pacman -S --overwrite \* glibc-locales. Problem solved
2023-10-07 13:00:28	MrElendig	that is the slapping a fresh coat of paint on the graverust solution
2023-10-07 13:28:44	docmax	how can see which files are currently accessed and read/written to?
2023-10-07 13:30:58	MrElendig	lsof
2023-10-07 13:48:29	MacGyver	docdrow: Do you need which files have active handles, or do you need which files are actually actively being written to?
2023-10-07 13:48:35	MacGyver	Argh.
2023-10-07 13:48:37	MacGyver	docmax: ^
2023-10-07 13:50:02	⚡ 	docdrow unhighlights MacGyver :-)
2023-10-07 13:50:42	MacGyver	Yeah sorry about that. Weechat tab-complete recency is lost if the user changes nick and/or parts/joins apparently.
2023-10-07 13:51:05	solsTiCe	I have a problem with /etc/ssh/sshd_config.d/99-archlinux.conf It overwrites my value of KbdInteractiveAuthentication that I set to yes in /etc/sshd_config I have to change the file at each sshd update
2023-10-07 13:53:30	docdrow	no biggie, weechat user here too... happens to me too
2023-10-07 13:56:01	MacGyver	solsTiCe: So set it in another .d file with lexicographic ordering.
2023-10-07 13:56:13	solsTiCe	ok
2023-10-07 13:56:30	solsTiCe	so sshd_config is depreciated
2023-10-07 13:57:15	MacGyver	It's overruled by config files in the .d directory, as one would expect if config-dir semantics are in play.
2023-10-07 13:58:08	solsTiCe	so I could comment the Include line in sshd_config instead?
2023-10-07 13:58:32	MacGyver	Sure.
2023-10-07 13:58:55	MacGyver	Just be mindful that you have no drop-in configurations at all then.
2023-10-07 13:59:08	solsTiCe	none there, no
2023-10-07 14:09:41	tatsumaru	hey guys, recently I've noticed that when I open 20-30 tabs in Firefox it completely destroys my ram and even crashes my computer ( I have 16gb). Is that normal?
2023-10-07 14:10:31	docdrow	no i shouldnt crash at all even if it consumes all memory
2023-10-07 14:10:49	docdrow	(and it also shouldn't use up 16gb for 30 tabs)
2023-10-07 14:11:02	docdrow	I routinely have 100+ tabs open on a laptop with 8gb in firefox
2023-10-07 14:11:30	tatsumaru	hmm, how can I figure out what's going on?
2023-10-07 14:11:53	docdrow	ideas: you could have an unwanted firefox extension that instantiates on new tabs, so I'd check addons/extensions maybe disable them all and restart. 
2023-10-07 14:12:24	docdrow	or maybe you have a new tab auto-URL to some website that for whatever reason takes up tons of memory (tradingview is an example heh)
2023-10-07 14:16:28	tatsumaru	docdrow: looks like you might've been right - I had grammarly extension that was checking and correcting spelling in each tab, I disabled it and that freed 5gb
2023-10-07 14:16:46	docdrow	sheesh what a mem hog
2023-10-07 14:17:22	docdrow	a user process trying to alloc all memory shouldn't crash your whole system though
2023-10-07 14:18:12	BrainDamage	the oomkiller is notorously bad
2023-10-07 14:18:16	BrainDamage	it kills stuff at random
2023-10-07 14:19:01	BrainDamage	there's userspace oomkillers that work quite better
2023-10-07 14:28:33	wyclif	This is one of the reasons I like Brave. It's like Chrome without the bad juju and without the need to install extensions that use up RAM
2023-10-07 14:29:00	Daanct12	ungoogled-chromium is cool
2023-10-07 14:29:08	wyclif	Similar concept
2023-10-07 14:29:42	Daanct12	yep but without the brave.
2023-10-07 14:30:03	wyclif	https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Deviations-from-Chromium-(features-we-disable-or-remove)
2023-10-07 14:30:18	docdrow	I prefer firefox over chrome but I've had to resign to google's spying. they even know my heartbeats and bloodpressure at any given moment. :(
2023-10-07 14:30:38	tatsumaru	i don't even have a smartphone, lol
2023-10-07 14:30:44	docdrow	envy
2023-10-07 14:35:12	docmax	MacGyver, files actively written to
2023-10-07 14:39:51	MacGyver	docmax: I'm not aware of any in-distro tool that does that; apparently `fatrace` does this.
2023-10-07 15:24:33	ectospasm	I have written a script to download and seed the latest Arch ISO torrent, but it looks like the October version hasn't been released yet.  I don't see anything on the releng mailing list, is there a reason for the delay? Would the Arch ISO be 2023.10.01?  Or would it be the date it's released?
2023-10-07 15:27:32	Namarrgon	the dev is busy. the iso is usually labeled after the date it is released on, it probably won't be 2023.10.01 now.
2023-10-07 15:28:09	nl6720	it'll be 2023.10.14+ or something
2023-10-07 15:29:03	ectospasm	Ahh, OK.  Yeah, I would think something like that would be on the releng mailing list, but there's not a lot there.
2023-10-07 15:29:13	ectospasm	So I did look
2023-10-07 15:29:38	Namarrgon	i don't think there was a public announcement
2023-10-07 15:29:41	demonicmaniac1	unless theres new he enablement with newer kernel i don't really see the point anyways
2023-10-07 15:29:50	demonicmaniac1	*hw enablement
2023-10-07 15:31:14	nl6720	Namarrgon: there wasn't. but people started to notice it quite late too. IIRC the first reddit thread about it was only created 3rd of 4th
2023-10-07 15:31:24	ectospasm	I'm sure there is some newer hardware enabled in 6.5 versus 6.4, 2023.09.01 has kernel 6.4.12, and I know the linux package is on 6.5
2023-10-07 15:32:28	nl6720	ectospasm: unless you need that new hardware during installation, then it doesn't really matter that much
2023-10-07 15:33:02	Namarrgon	the system will still boot, just won't support that fancy new webcam on the archiso
2023-10-07 15:33:04	ectospasm	nl6720: no, I just want to download it to seed it. I likely won't need the Arch ISO myself until I install my new laptop in late December.
2023-10-07 15:33:31	nl6720	ectospasm: just use the RSS feed for the iso
2023-10-07 15:35:37	ectospasm	I don't see an RSS feed listed on https://archlinux.org/download/
2023-10-07 15:35:38	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Downloads (at archlinux.org)
2023-10-07 15:36:13	nl6720	it's listed in https://archlinux.org/feeds/ the feed URL is https://archlinux.org/feeds/releases/
2023-10-07 15:36:14	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - RSS Feeds (at archlinux.org)
2023-10-07 15:36:44	nl6720	it may be a good idea to add it to the downloads page
2023-10-07 16:04:04	ectospasm	It's just as easy to scrape for "Current Release" on the downloads page, my systemd timer just runs it once a day (around midnight UTC), and doesn't do anything other than verify the GPG signature of the downloaded file if I already have it.
2023-10-07 16:04:30	ectospasm	If I don't, then it gets the torrent and adds it to transmission
2023-10-07 16:08:27	jelle	so there is no issue :)
2023-10-07 16:11:07	ectospasm	No, none at all.  I was just curious.
2023-10-07 16:19:25	B33r	Hello everyone. In case an Arch Linux package is not maintained anymore, how can be managed? There is the impacket package that is outdated for long time https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/impacket/. I also mailed the maintainer time ago with no results. The impacket version in Extra repo is bugged, and the bug has been solved on the latest
2023-10-07 16:19:25	B33r	releases of impacket. The 0.9.24 version came out on 27 Oct 2021. The latest release was out on 3 Aug 2023.
2023-10-07 16:19:27	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - impacket 0.9.24-3 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2023-10-07 16:21:45	gromit	B33r: link to bug report? 
2023-10-07 16:30:00	B33r	gromit here details: https://github.com/BlackArch/blackarch/issues/3650 and here the opened bug: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/76969
2023-10-07 16:30:01	phrik	Title: FS#76969 : [impacket] mssqlclient.py [-] [('SSL routines', '', 'internal error')] (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-10-07 19:01:23	B33r	gromit any news about impacket?
2023-10-07 19:01:33	Metroid	i've a pkgbuild buidling for the new version of impacket, i've zero experience in python stuff though
2023-10-07 19:01:40	Metroid	building fine*
2023-10-07 19:02:23	B33r	Thank you very much Metroid
2023-10-07 19:03:16	B33r	Is there a time period within the updated pkg is release?
2023-10-07 19:03:40	Metroid	here's it here - https://bpa.st/P4EA , please again remember im not a packager or anything nor do i know python stuff
2023-10-07 19:03:41	phrik	Title: View paste P4EA (at bpa.st)
2023-10-07 19:04:00	Metroid	oh wait wrong one
2023-10-07 19:04:18	Metroid	take out line #29 of that paste
2023-10-07 19:04:47	Metroid	the current pkgbuild in repos does a runall.sh command but the tests have changed
2023-10-07 19:04:47	B33r	I can test it if you wish
2023-10-07 19:05:19	Metroid	i dont use impacket afaik so idk how to test it, just wanted to see if i could get something building
2023-10-07 19:06:08	B33r	impacket is one of the most famous tools for InfoSec profession. For sure I can try to build that your PKGBUILD and check if the tool works as expected
2023-10-07 19:09:36	B33r	Metroid wait... I forgot I packaged already the working latest version of impacket. You can find the PKGBUILD with the pythong setup building here: https://bpa.st/BVCA
2023-10-07 19:09:36	phrik	Title: View paste BVCA (at bpa.st)
2023-10-07 19:10:49	Metroid	ahright no worries
2023-10-07 19:11:01	B33r	Only the License is wrong in that link I shared... The right one is Apache
2023-10-07 19:11:20	Metroid	doesn't hurt to add in checksums as well
2023-10-07 19:11:32	Metroid	you got the correct github url too, i forgot to change that
2023-10-07 19:14:14	B33r	Im reviewing my pkgbuild. In practice I built a -git version... And it is better maybe to take the latest stable version from source
2023-10-07 19:19:51	greentail	Hi. In bash, `printf \\` and `printf \\\\` both output exactly the same thing. I really want to know why is that.  
2023-10-07 19:23:44	astralc	because it is '\' escaped, but not escaping other thing when it is \\
2023-10-07 19:24:37	astralc	put it in " "
2023-10-07 19:25:22	slimefoot	greentail: there's both your shell (bash) and printf itself doing escaping - so \\\\ is passed to printf as \\, which then turns it to \
2023-10-07 19:25:45	B33r	Metroid this is the correct working PKGBUILD of my version  https://bpa.st/GJWA
2023-10-07 19:25:46	phrik	Title: View paste GJWA (at bpa.st)
2023-10-07 19:25:53	slimefoot	\\ is passed to printf as \, which doesn't change it further, because there's nothing behind it to be escaped
2023-10-07 19:28:19	slimefoot	if you don't want bash to escape the string, put it into single quotes ('\\' or '\\\\')
2023-10-07 19:30:12	greentail	slimefoot, so printf is not part of bash? is printf a tool completely independent from Bash?  
2023-10-07 19:30:48	slimefoot	printf is probably a bash builtin (for performance's sake), but there's also the standalone /usr/bin/printf provided by printf
2023-10-07 19:30:50	BrainDamage	it's both
2023-10-07 19:30:52	slimefoot	in either case, the behaviour is similar
2023-10-07 19:31:02	BrainDamage	but the shell builtin takes precedence
2023-10-07 19:31:14	slimefoot	(similar/equal at least related to the escaping and quoting and everything)
2023-10-07 19:31:40	slimefoot	*provided by coreutils - urgh, I should be more careful with typing, sorry for all the newlines
2023-10-07 19:32:11	greentail	slimefoot, I just tried the same with zsh. `printf \\` and `printf \\\\` both return nothing. Why is that?  
2023-10-07 19:32:49	slimefoot	I have zsh and both print just \
2023-10-07 19:33:42	slimefoot	zsh puts a special marker at the end (in my case a colour-inverted `%`), though, because the output doesn't end with a newline
2023-10-07 19:36:25	astralc	https://xkcd.com/1638/
2023-10-07 19:36:27	phrik	Title: xkcd: Backslashes (at xkcd.com)
2023-10-07 19:36:45	Metroid	not sure why you have git listed as a makedepend B33r 
2023-10-07 19:40:43	B33r	Metroid sorry, I forgot to remove it, you re right, since I dont get the source anymore from git
2023-10-07 19:47:23	B33r	Metroid here the right PKGBUILD: https://bpa.st/SGPA
2023-10-07 19:47:23	phrik	Title: View paste SGPA (at bpa.st)
2023-10-07 19:47:32	greentail	slimefoot, in my zsh, I just tried `printf 'turtle'` ; and it returns nothing. What could be the problem?  
2023-10-07 19:47:51	greentail	When I run `which printf` , it returns `shell built-in command`
2023-10-07 19:50:49	astralc	and `type printf`?
2023-10-07 19:52:23	greentail	astralc, `type printf` returns `printf is a shell builtin` in both bash and zsh
2023-10-07 20:01:07	greentail	anybody? I want to know why is my printf not working correctly in zsh.   
2023-10-07 20:09:07	MrElendig	works fien for me
2023-10-07 20:09:38	MrElendig	and define "in my zsh"
2023-10-07 20:10:06	MrElendig	(and you probably want a \n too)
2023-10-07 20:13:45	DodoGTA	Why is /usr/libexec a non-standard directory according to namcap? It's literally in the FHS
2023-10-07 20:15:59	MrElendig	read FILE-HIERARCHY(7)
2023-10-07 20:16:15	MrElendig	fhs has a lot of legacy stuff that no one uses
2023-10-07 20:19:02	greentail	MrElendig, turns out I had to add `setopt promptsp` to my zshrc
2023-10-07 20:19:43	MrElendig	greentail: so a xyproblem
2023-10-07 20:20:13	MrElendig	this is why you should explain what you are actually doing when asking for help
2023-10-07 20:22:10	greentail	MrElendig,  I don't think this was an XY problem? How is this an XY problem? 
2023-10-07 20:24:26	greentail	My problem was, whenever I launch zsh, `printf foobar` was not returning anything. To solve it, I had to add `setopt promptsp` to my zshrc. That's because zsh, by default, does not add newline, and it returns to the first character of the output, and the new prompt overrides that output, so it's not visible. I don't think that's an XY problem.  
2023-10-07 20:32:07	MrElendig	printf never adds a newline, and that is not the default behaviour in zsh
2023-10-07 20:42:38	greentail	MrElendig, you are right
2023-10-07 20:46:17	greentail	MrElendig, I just realized you are right that that's not zsh default behaviour. So, what in my zshrc makes it behave like that? Why do I need to add `setopt promptsp` ? Could you please take a look at my zshrc?  
2023-10-07 20:46:21	greentail	MrElendig, https://bpa.st/QDYA  
2023-10-07 20:46:23	phrik	Title: View paste QDYA (at bpa.st)
2023-10-07 20:48:12	greentail	I think I found the problem:  https://stackoverflow.com/questions/47061766/zsh-prompt-adam2-script-output-without-newline-is-not-being-displayed  
2023-10-07 20:48:13	phrik	Title: bash - zsh prompt adam2 - script output without newline, is not being displayed - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
2023-10-07 20:51:40	MrElendig	some of the custom prompts are ... not great
2023-10-07 20:52:18	MrElendig	I suggest using starship or similar if you want a fancy prompt
2023-10-07 20:52:49	MrElendig	your config seems pretty old too?
2023-10-07 20:53:14	greentail	MrElendig, old in what sense?  
2023-10-07 20:53:48	MrElendig	pretty sure you don't need that manual keymap anymore
2023-10-07 20:55:35	MrElendig	wiki page could do with some work
2023-10-07 20:56:09	greentail	MrElendig, what do you mean by "anymore"? What changed? And when? 
2023-10-07 21:00:13	m_ben	when generating an initramfs I'm getting a bunch of warning messages of the form "possibly missing firmware for module: ..."
2023-10-07 21:00:52	astralc	m_ben: you can ignore those warnings, unless you know for sure you need one of the firmware.
2023-10-07 21:01:03	astralc	check the wiki page for initramfs\
2023-10-07 21:01:35	zeronoid	I get these for my wireless card, never had a wi-fi issue
2023-10-07 21:01:41	m_ben	astralc: I'm installing arch on a new machine I bought. not sure yet whether I need it :/ 
2023-10-07 21:02:32	astralc	I think it some old stuff, that are still part of the kernel, but need special firmware
2023-10-07 21:02:55	thurstylark	m_ben: most of those pieces of hardware are niche. the rule of thumb is that if you needed those, you would already know it :P
2023-10-07 21:04:16	m_ben	output: http://ix.io/4IpK 
2023-10-07 21:04:50	thurstylark	Yeah, that's normal. Safe to ignore ")
2023-10-07 21:04:54	astralc	you can ignore it
2023-10-07 21:04:55	thurstylark	*:)
2023-10-07 21:20:11	jab416171	how can I install and uninstall a package at the same time? I want to replace jellyfin with jellyfin-server
2023-10-07 21:21:03	Namarrgon	where is 'jellyfin' from?
2023-10-07 21:21:53	Namarrgon	if the conflicts are set up correctly you just install the new one and pacman should ask to remove the old one
2023-10-07 21:22:14	jab416171	jellyfin was an aur package
2023-10-07 21:22:32	Namarrgon	what happens when you try to install -server?
2023-10-07 21:23:10	jab416171	installing jellyfin-server (10.8.11-2) breaks dependency 'jellyfin-server=10.8.10' required by jellyfin
2023-10-07 21:23:31	Namarrgon	pacman -Qi jellyfin
2023-10-07 21:24:43	jab416171	https://bpa.st/PTFQ
2023-10-07 21:24:44	phrik	Title: View paste PTFQ (at bpa.st)
2023-10-07 21:25:13	m_ben	are there any noticeable differences between mkinitcpio and dracut initramfs files?
2023-10-07 21:25:27	m_ben	I mean during the boot process
2023-10-07 21:25:28	whitecat7255	Hello, everyone. When I run pacman -Syu, there was a problem with mkinitcpio: it can't find any modules. What can I do?
2023-10-07 21:25:29	Namarrgon	jab416171: that would mean you already have jellyfin-server installed
2023-10-07 21:25:41	whitecat7255	*ran
2023-10-07 21:25:47	Namarrgon	whitecat7255: post the output to a paste service
2023-10-07 21:25:49	jab416171	https://bpa.st/PTFQyes it appears I do Namarrgon 
2023-10-07 21:25:57	Namarrgon	jab416171: then just remove 'jellyfin'
2023-10-07 21:26:11	Namarrgon	optionally also remove -web if you don't need it
2023-10-07 21:26:28	jab416171	is that all I need? https://bpa.st/TLLQ
2023-10-07 21:26:28	phrik	Title: View paste TLLQ (at bpa.st)
2023-10-07 21:26:50	Namarrgon	which command returned that?
2023-10-07 21:26:55	jab416171	pacman -Syu
2023-10-07 21:27:08	Namarrgon	"21:25:57       Namarrgon | jab416171: then just remove 'jellyfin'"
2023-10-07 21:27:21	jab416171	thanks
2023-10-07 21:27:24	jab416171	updating now
2023-10-07 21:28:45	whitecat7255	@Namarrgon Here's the output from mkinitcpio -P: https://0x0.st/HWk0.log
2023-10-07 21:29:12	Namarrgon	uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2023-10-07 21:29:27	Namarrgon	did you run out of diskspace?
2023-10-07 21:30:01	whitecat7255	6.2.12-arch1-1
2023-10-07 21:30:02	whitecat7255	linux 6.5.5.arch1-1
2023-10-07 21:30:14	whitecat7255	I... don't think so, but let me check.
2023-10-07 21:30:15	Namarrgon	you went that long without updates?
2023-10-07 21:30:39	whitecat7255	Yup, it's not a PC that I use much.
2023-10-07 21:31:06	Namarrgon	did you merge all the pacnews? and cover everything else on the newspage that happend since the last -Syu?
2023-10-07 21:32:41	whitecat7255	No, I did not.
2023-10-07 21:36:14	whitecat7255	I don't think I ran out of disk space.
2023-10-07 21:37:30	whitecat7255	What am I supposed to do now?
2023-10-07 21:37:39	Namarrgon	have you found any pacnews?
2023-10-07 21:41:47	whitecat7255	https://paste.rs/7TRQA.txt
2023-10-07 21:41:49	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-10-07 21:42:08	Namarrgon	start merging then
2023-10-07 21:48:40	whitecat7255	Well, nothing that seems important was there.
2023-10-07 21:50:09	Namarrgon	pacman -Qkk
2023-10-07 21:50:22	Namarrgon	pacman -Qkk linux
2023-10-07 21:50:24	Namarrgon	sorry
2023-10-07 21:51:56	whitecat7255	linux: 7109 total files, 0 altered files
2023-10-07 21:53:23	dav1d	I have a Windows 11 system which I want to fully convert to Arch (Windows gone). It has an existing EFI partition of 100mb, the Wiki seems to recommend to keep the EFI, which (I assume) would require me to also have an additional separate /boot partition? Is there a downside to just wiping the disk and creating a new 1GiB EFI partition and use it
2023-10-07 21:53:23	dav1d	as /boot?
2023-10-07 21:53:31	Namarrgon	whitecat7255: ls -l /usr/lib/modules/6.5.5-arch1-1/modules.*
2023-10-07 21:54:08	Namarrgon	dav1d: there's no advantage to keeping it
2023-10-07 21:54:18	dav1d	Namarrgon, thanks
2023-10-07 21:54:28	whitecat7255	https://paste.rs/VAioF.txt
2023-10-07 21:54:29	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-10-07 21:54:42	mandem0110	Hi, what's the app called that's like proton for linux but you can play games without steam?
2023-10-07 21:55:11	Namarrgon	wine?
2023-10-07 21:55:15	mandem0110	Nope.
2023-10-07 21:55:34	Namarrgon	whitecat7255: do you get any output from "depmod 6.5.5-arch1-1"?
2023-10-07 21:55:53	whitecat7255	No.
2023-10-07 21:56:48	Namarrgon	does mkinitcpio -P still fail?
2023-10-07 21:57:07	whitecat7255	Yup.
2023-10-07 21:57:37	Namarrgon	does "modinfo -k6.5.5-arch1-1 vfat" work?
2023-10-07 21:58:02	whitecat7255	modinfo: ERROR: Module vfat not found.
2023-10-07 21:58:37	Namarrgon	ls -l / /usr
2023-10-07 21:59:25	whitecat7255	https://paste.rs/7UsxX.txt
2023-10-07 21:59:27	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-10-07 22:11:22	jab416171	mandem0110, I use lutris
2023-10-07 22:11:35	jab416171	there's also playonlinux
2023-10-07 22:11:52	astralc	playonlinux is just wine frontend
2023-10-07 22:12:00	jab416171	so is lutris :P
2023-10-07 22:12:11	jab416171	but it handles the wine prefix and versions and stuff for you
2023-10-07 22:12:14	astralc	steam is wine frontend!
2023-10-07 22:12:21	jab416171	also true
2023-10-07 22:13:52	greentail	astralc, Steam is Wine frontend fr?  
2023-10-07 22:13:55	mandem0110	I was looking proproton. thanks.
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2023-10-07 22:14:16	jab416171	on linux yes greentail 
2023-10-07 22:14:31	jab416171	mandem0110, "proproton"?
2023-10-07 22:14:49	astralc	greentail: not really, but it launch proton for some games, so you can say it somehow
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2023-10-07 22:14:56	mandem0110	yes.
2023-10-07 22:15:11	greentail	what is proproton?  
2023-10-07 22:15:24	mandem0110	Oh, no... it's portproton 
2023-10-07 22:15:33	whitecat7255	@Namarrgon, do you have any more tips, perhaps?
2023-10-07 22:16:00	jab416171	ah ok, thanks
2023-10-07 22:16:25	astralc	whitecat7255: depmod create the correct files? /usr/lib/modules/<version>/modules.dep
2023-10-07 22:16:48	astralc	and also other files in this directory
2023-10-07 22:16:56	Namarrgon	whitecat7255: "findmnt"
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2023-10-07 22:17:11	whitecat7255	modules.dep exists and is empty.
2023-10-07 22:17:59	greentail	whitecat7255,  what message do you get when you run `pacman -Syu`  ?  
2023-10-07 22:18:05	whitecat7255	https://0x0.st/HWkC.txt
2023-10-07 22:18:26	whitecat7255	Now it's just "there is nothing to do".
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2023-10-07 22:19:21	Namarrgon	can you post the kernel log, too?
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2023-10-07 22:19:31	astralc	for pacman - because it doesn't run the mkinitcpio hook - only when you installing/upgrading certain packages
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2023-10-07 22:20:32	greentail	mkinitcpio = make initial ramdisk
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2023-10-07 22:21:10	greentail	how is it that cpio stands for "ramdisk" ?   
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2023-10-07 22:21:44	greentail	whitecat7255, could you paste the output of pacman -Syu ?
2023-10-07 22:22:09	Namarrgon	they just did
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2023-10-07 22:23:00	whitecat7255	@Namarrgon, the kernel log is huge, can we narrow it down a bit? Can I run mkinitcpio / pacman -Syu linux and paste kernel log from the last minute then?
2023-10-07 22:23:27	Namarrgon	look for anything filesystem related
2023-10-07 22:24:57	greentail	whitecat7255, if your pacman -Syu returns "there is nothing to do", then that means your system is updated and everything is fine, no? 
2023-10-07 22:25:24	whitecat7255	No, because it failed with all the mkinitcpio stuff when upgrading.
2023-10-07 22:26:06	whitecat7255	@Namarrgon, I can't see anything related.
2023-10-07 22:26:33	astralc	I assume the / snapshot is writeable (otherwise other stuff will fail)
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2023-10-07 22:28:36	greentail	Is it OK if I run `mkinitcpioi -P` on my computer? What does that do?  
2023-10-07 22:28:45	greentail	Is it OK if I run `mkinitcpio -P` on my computer? What does that do?  
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2023-10-07 22:29:27	whitecat7255	astralc, any simple way to check that?
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2023-10-07 22:29:49	astralc	touch any file?
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2023-10-07 22:30:21	greentail	`$ touch /.gitkeep`  
2023-10-07 22:31:14	whitecat7255	Sure, works.
2023-10-07 22:31:29	Namarrgon	can you run depmod again with --verbose?
2023-10-07 22:31:37	greentail	astralc, the only directories that are mounted ro are in /run/credentials ; they posted their output of findmnt some minutes ago.   
2023-10-07 22:32:14	greentail	Namarrgon, can I run depmod in my PC? Will it break my computer? 
2023-10-07 22:32:23	astralc	greentail - yes, but I encountered things that cause fs not being writable, that are not part of the mount options
2023-10-07 22:33:05	whitecat7255	https://paste.rs/17i47.txt
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2023-10-07 22:35:46	Namarrgon	whitecat7255: you have to tell it the kernel version
2023-10-07 22:35:52	Namarrgon	ah, nvm
2023-10-07 22:35:57	Namarrgon	took a bit to load
2023-10-07 22:36:46	Namarrgon	can you reinstall the linux package and try again?
2023-10-07 22:36:56	Namarrgon	watch for errors and warnings
2023-10-07 22:37:20	whitecat7255	Is that  ERROR: could not open directory /lib/modules/6.2.12-arch1-1: No such file or directory not relevant?
2023-10-07 22:37:33	Namarrgon	no, that was the wrong version, that one that is no longer installed
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2023-10-07 22:39:52	whitecat7255	https://0x0.st/HWdX.txt
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2023-10-07 22:40:22	Namarrgon	pacman -Qkk
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2023-10-07 22:40:57	greentail	holy transistors, that's a lot of errors  
2023-10-07 22:43:13	greentail	whitecat7255, what's the output now of `uname -a` ?
2023-10-07 22:43:14	whitecat7255	https://0x0.st/HWd8.txt
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2023-10-07 22:43:34	whitecat7255	Linux archlinux 6.2.12-arch1-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu, 20 Apr 2023 16:11:55 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2023-10-07 22:44:17	greentail	what's up with that date and time?  
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2023-10-07 22:44:44	astralc	greentail: it is the *old* kernel, before he updated
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2023-10-07 22:45:09	greentail	astralc, oh you right
2023-10-07 22:46:00	Namarrgon	whitecat7255: can you post the last ~1k lines of the kernel log?
2023-10-07 22:46:05	whitecat7255	Maybe it would be good to mention that I have a separate, encrypted /boot partition, but it is mounted, so it shouldn't cause any problems.
2023-10-07 22:46:26	Namarrgon	it wouldn't explain why depmod doesn't work
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2023-10-07 22:46:58	Namarrgon	post your pacman.conf, too
2023-10-07 22:47:13	greentail	whitecat7255, in the findmnt you pasted, we can see /boot is mounted in /dev/mapper/usb_cryptboot
2023-10-07 22:48:25	greentail	Namarrgon, what's depmod do? Can I run it in my computer now?  
2023-10-07 22:48:28	astralc	maybe ... `ls -l /usr/lib/modules/6.5.5-arch1-1`? `btrfs filesystem df /`?
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2023-10-07 22:48:40	whitecat7255	kernel log https://0x0.st/HWdK.log
2023-10-07 22:48:46	Namarrgon	greentail: yes, you can. make sure you have a bootable archiso.
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2023-10-07 22:49:47	greentail	Namarrgon, why would I need a bootable archiso? That's scary.  
2023-10-07 22:49:57	whitecat7255	astralc, https://paste.rs/WFHNM.txt
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2023-10-07 22:50:31	astralc	I think you have something override depmod
2023-10-07 22:50:33	astralc	COMMAND=/home/anon/android/grapheneos/out/host/linux-x86/bin/depmod 6.5.5-arch1-1 --verbose
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2023-10-07 22:50:43	astralc	from your dmesg
2023-10-07 22:51:07	Namarrgon	check root's $PATH
2023-10-07 22:51:27	Namarrgon	and anon's $PATH, too
2023-10-07 22:51:28	greentail	astralc, grapheneOS ? Is this device a smartphone?  
2023-10-07 22:52:48	whitecat7255	Oh, right, it does override depmod.
2023-10-07 22:53:19	whitecat7255	So what should I do now, after removing it from PATH?
2023-10-07 22:53:32	astralc	reinstall linux
2023-10-07 22:53:37	greentail	whitecat7255,  $ which depmod && whereis depmod  
2023-10-07 22:54:15	whitecat7255	But I'm not sure why it's set in PATH in new shells.
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2023-10-07 22:54:30	whitecat7255	It's not in my .bashrc.
2023-10-07 22:54:45	Namarrgon	you could have exported it system-wide
2023-10-07 22:54:50	astralc	whitecat7255: /etc/profile, /etc/profile.d/, /etc/environment
2023-10-07 22:54:54	reaVer	hey, I have a window here with no name or anything and I don't see an associated process to it
2023-10-07 22:55:01	reaVer	I've tried closing it but it doesn't respond
2023-10-07 22:55:13	astralc	xkill it
2023-10-07 22:56:35	whitecat7255	astralc, not in any of these.
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2023-10-07 22:57:10	reaVer	how do I target the window?
2023-10-07 22:57:56	astralc	whitecat7255: other shell profile files (like .bashrc)
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2023-10-07 22:59:25	reaVer	killing the window killed my server o_O
2023-10-07 22:59:29	greentail	whitecat7255,  $ env -i bash --norc --noprofile 
2023-10-07 22:59:35	greentail	reaVer, lmao
2023-10-07 23:00:23	greentail	reaVer, I didn't tell you to do anything; also, I offer no warranties   
2023-10-07 23:00:25	astralc	so the window was part of some important process .....
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2023-10-07 23:01:24	greentail	reaVer, what Desktop environment are you using?  
2023-10-07 23:01:29	reaVer	awesomewm
2023-10-07 23:01:49	reaVer	I still use startx like the OG
2023-10-07 23:02:00	whitecat7255	greentail, that bash does not have pacman.
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2023-10-07 23:02:59	whitecat7255	Ah, sudo env.
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2023-10-07 23:03:16	whitecat7255	It worked! Thanks a lot, guys.
2023-10-07 23:03:23	greentail	whitecat7255, interesting. I just ran that command without sudo, and `pacman --version` works fine.  
2023-10-07 23:03:39	Namarrgon	you're not done until you fixed $PATH
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2023-10-07 23:04:04	whitecat7255	@Namarrgon, I would love to, but I have no idea where I set that.
2023-10-07 23:04:20	Namarrgon	is root affected, too?
2023-10-07 23:04:31	whitecat7255	Yup.
2023-10-07 23:04:38	Namarrgon	then grep everything in /etc
2023-10-07 23:04:53	astralc	root. as in `sudo su -` root?
2023-10-07 23:04:58	astralc	or root login?
2023-10-07 23:05:09	greentail	astralc, what's the diff?
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2023-10-07 23:05:37	astralc	sudo can be configured to use some of the use environment vars
2023-10-07 23:06:01	astralc	so if it configured in user level, it still affect sudo <command> calls
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2023-10-07 23:06:53	whitecat7255	Namarrgon, the only result is /etc/pacman.d/gnupg/pubring.gpg.
2023-10-07 23:07:13	astralc	what did you greped?
2023-10-07 23:07:37	Namarrgon	switch to the next vt, log in as root and check $PATH there
2023-10-07 23:07:49	evilpyro	I have a laptop with an instalation from 2019, is it worth updating or better to reinstall everything? tbh its a pain to get everything working on a laptop..
2023-10-07 23:07:53	whitecat7255	astralc, "graphene"
2023-10-07 23:08:17	whitecat7255	Namarrgon, I can't log in as root.
2023-10-07 23:08:21	Namarrgon	why not?
2023-10-07 23:08:47	whitecat7255	Because I have disabled it.
2023-10-07 23:08:53	Namarrgon	congrats
2023-10-07 23:09:09	gromit	evilpyro: sure should be doable to update
2023-10-07 23:09:14	gromit	!give evilpyro ala
2023-10-07 23:09:15	phrik	evilpyro: Let's flip through it to hunt our lovely bugs: <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_Archive>. The Arch Linux Archive itself can be browsed at <https://archive.archlinux.org/>.
2023-10-07 23:09:18	astralc	maybe you have some file sourcing, so you don't see the new PATH= directly
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2023-10-07 23:09:35	astralc	also `sudo su -`
2023-10-07 23:09:43	gromit	evilpyro: ^ you can also use the arch linux archive to update half a year at a time
2023-10-07 23:09:46	astralc	and then check PATH
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2023-10-07 23:10:12	whitecat7255	Namarrgon, is there anything wrong with it?
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2023-10-07 23:10:25	whitecat7255	`sudo su` has it in PATH, `sudo su -` does not.
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2023-10-07 23:11:11	astralc	so you have it configured in user level (some sourcing in .bashrc maybe)
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2023-10-07 23:11:33	greentail	whitecat7255, $ cat ~/.bash_profile 
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2023-10-07 23:12:44	whitecat7255	greentail, I use fish, but I don't find it there either.
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2023-10-07 23:13:14	astralc	post the fish config file
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2023-10-07 23:13:35	whitecat7255	There is nothing there.
2023-10-07 23:13:49	greentail	bruh. I didn't expect someone to wait so long before telling us that they are not using bash.  
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2023-10-07 23:14:16	astralc	what you mean nothing? empty file?
2023-10-07 23:14:26	MrElendig	and on't use sudo su
2023-10-07 23:14:52	greentail	whitecat7255, $ ls -l ~/.config/fish/config.fish  
2023-10-07 23:14:59	kode54	this looks lovely
2023-10-07 23:15:05	whitecat7255	MrElendig, why?
2023-10-07 23:15:19	MrElendig	because sudo -s/i exists
2023-10-07 23:15:26	kode54	https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/9932
2023-10-07 23:15:27	phrik	Title: radv: regression in 23.2 causing GPU hangs (#9932) · Issues · Mesa / mesa · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2023-10-07 23:15:28	kode54	no, I mean this
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2023-10-07 23:15:46	kode54	appears to be something that may only affect RDNA cards
2023-10-07 23:15:52	whitecat7255	greentail, https://paste.rs/1Aeyb.txt
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2023-10-07 23:15:53	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-10-07 23:15:59	greentail	MrElendig, you can use a slash between s and i? what's that slash for?  
2023-10-07 23:16:00	kode54	I intend to try diagnosing it next week when my new card arrives
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2023-10-07 23:16:28	astralc	MrElendig: the problem is `sudo -i` still take the use PATH
2023-10-07 23:17:22	mandem0110	wine-stable and wine-stable-next won't install: ==> ERROR: One or more PGP signatures could not be verified!
2023-10-07 23:17:34	mandem0110	Any ideas?
2023-10-07 23:17:46	Namarrgon	did you read the AUR page on the wiki?
2023-10-07 23:17:46	astralc	in makepkg?
2023-10-07 23:18:06	mandem0110	from yay -S wine-stable
2023-10-07 23:18:22	astralc	so in makepkg?
2023-10-07 23:18:33	mandem0110	Yes.
2023-10-07 23:18:49	whitecat7255	Ah, I got it. I must have used fish_add_path.
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2023-10-07 23:21:06	MrElendig	mandem0110: wiki -> aur -> gpg keys
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2023-10-07 23:22:14	mandem0110	MrElendig: I'm looking but don't see anything related to the errors...
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2023-10-07 23:22:44	whitecat7255	Thank you all for the help. I'm sorry to waste your time with something that turned out to be so trivial.
2023-10-07 23:22:47	Namarrgon	read the whole thing, and start with makepkg, it's too soon for an aur-helper
2023-10-07 23:23:07	MrElendig	mandem0110: o rly?  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_User_Repository#Acquire_a_PGP_public_key_if_needed
2023-10-07 23:23:08	phrik	Title: Arch User Repository - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-10-07 23:24:23	astralc	also, section 9.7 in AUR page
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2023-10-07 23:24:36	mandem0110	MrElendig: and where am I supposed to get the key from for wine?
2023-10-07 23:24:40	mandem0110	lol what
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2023-10-07 23:25:57	greentail	mandem0110, does it fail with makepkg ? 
2023-10-07 23:26:46	mandem0110	libXpm-3.5.16.tar.xz ... FAILED (unknown public key ACEB29740C9A4E97)
2023-10-07 23:27:34	MrElendig	upstream
2023-10-07 23:28:05	MrElendig	or the naive way is to just grab it from the pkgbuild
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2023-10-07 23:29:10	mandem0110	Oh, done it.
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2023-10-07 23:29:39	greentail	mandem0110, what did you do?  
2023-10-07 23:30:05	mandem0110	added the key.
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2023-10-07 23:35:00	armin	Adding a key to your keyfob will bulge your pocket.
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2023-10-07 23:58:29	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-10-07 23:58:58	greentail	Namarrgon, what happens the 10th time? 
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2023-10-08 00:02:07	Namarrgon	the 10th time we call the witch doctor or an ambulance, both if it gets really bad
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2023-10-08 00:03:03	MrElendig	the 11th time I'll come with my cart and bell
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2023-10-08 00:04:47	greentail	Namarrgon, what I meant is, is archinstall the name of a package from the main repos? Then you can just update it right? Why would it fail 1 out of 10 times? What error message you get?    
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2023-10-08 00:05:57	Namarrgon	depending on what changed since the iso was released, updating just one package may break something since that is a partial update
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2023-10-08 00:25:33	mingdao	I don't know who to ask, or where.  How would I generate on of these based on the colors I'm using now https://imgur.com/JADvDhU.png
2023-10-08 00:25:41	mingdao	s/on/one
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2023-10-08 00:27:52	mandem0110	Still compiling Wine :-/
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2023-10-08 00:29:25	mandem0110	Do compiles usually take an hour?
2023-10-08 00:29:36	mandem0110	Like hurry up already....
2023-10-08 00:29:50	Namarrgon	mingdao: https://askubuntu.com/questions/27314/script-to-display-all-terminal-colors
2023-10-08 00:29:51	phrik	Title: command line - Script to display all terminal colors - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
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2023-10-08 00:30:09	Namarrgon	mandem0110: did you bump up the make jobs from 1?
2023-10-08 00:30:16	mandem0110	no?
2023-10-08 00:30:35	mandem0110	Been going for an hour now. I done it with yay.
2023-10-08 00:30:41	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Makepkg#Parallel_compilation
2023-10-08 00:30:42	phrik	Title: makepkg - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-10-08 00:30:47	Namarrgon	too soon for yay
2023-10-08 00:30:53	mingdao	Namarrgon: Thank you!  I just found WezTerm, and like a lot about it, but want the colors I use for urxvt from .Xresources.
2023-10-08 00:30:58	mandem0110	Too soon?
2023-10-08 00:31:22	Namarrgon	get the basics down first
2023-10-08 00:33:29	greentail	also, isn't it more normal to use paru instead of yay?  
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2023-10-08 00:34:20	⚡ 	mingdao hugs yay
2023-10-08 00:36:05	fluix	greentail: no, https://aur.archlinux.org/packages?O=0&K=
2023-10-08 00:36:05	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - Packages (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-10-08 00:38:08	greentail	what does "yogurt" mean in yay?  
2023-10-08 00:39:11	mandem0110	And still going. fml.
2023-10-08 00:40:32	fluix	> Marganamilo: Because there exists 1000 youart clones and yaourt is french for yogurt.
2023-10-08 00:41:11	morganamilo	Hey my name is spelt wrong 
2023-10-08 00:41:46	fluix	was wondering why that didn't tab-complete, sorry :p
2023-10-08 00:42:03	fluix	copy pasting from Reddit seemed like more work than typing it out
2023-10-08 00:45:39	morganamilo	Youre lucky I'm watching :p 
2023-10-08 00:46:19	mandem0110	finally done! took forever
2023-10-08 00:48:28	mingdao	Namarrgon: Thanks again.  With your help, and then some scripting, I got a bash script to generate this https://0x0.st/HWdw.png which, I do believe, shows what I am using relative to the link I posted earlier.
2023-10-08 00:54:30	greentail	Is Chatgpt working well for linux questions? You guys it regularly? 
2023-10-08 00:54:53	gehidore	if you like garbage answers
2023-10-08 00:55:49	greentail	gehidore,  what about Chatgpt 4 ? You don't like that either?  
2023-10-08 00:56:12	gehidore	haven't used it, no desire to do so either though
2023-10-08 00:56:36	gehidore	I've seen the folks here though saying "I tried this:... and everything is broken"
2023-10-08 00:57:08	greentail	gehidore, what do you use instead of Chatgpt?  
2023-10-08 00:57:30	gehidore	irc
2023-10-08 00:58:41	greentail	GPT = Generative pre-trained transformers  
2023-10-08 01:07:58	another|	documentation
2023-10-08 02:06:13	quartz	Hi. I want to uninstall KDE from my system. I installed plasma and kde-applications, but when I try to run sudo pacman -R plasma kde-applications, it won't let me uninstall the packages for dependency reasons... Not sure how I can uninstall plasma and kde-applications.
2023-10-08 02:06:35	quartz	Oh, I'm using Gnome
2023-10-08 02:28:21	Repentinus	-Rsc
2023-10-08 02:28:37	Repentinus	But read the Arch Wiki article on package management.
2023-10-08 03:00:20	greentail	Hi. In i3wm, my new windows always used to occupy the right-side half of the screen. Some days ago I pressed Mod+Shift+Down because I wanted that specific window to occupy the bottom half of the screen. The problem is that now all my new windows occupy the bottom half of the screen, instead of the desired right-side half of the screen. What happened? 
2023-10-08 03:04:34	quartz	Repentinus: I did pacman -Rsc plasma kde-applications, which worked, but now when I go to upgrade the system, I get this: https://i.ibb.co/BLhrp78/Screenshot-from-2023-10-07-18-02-51.png
2023-10-08 03:04:45	quartz	Oddly, it's leaving all these other kde applications in the system.
2023-10-08 03:06:05	Repentinus	I suspect kde-applications is a group.
2023-10-08 03:06:50	Repentinus	Though R should remove the group too. Hmm.
2023-10-08 03:09:06	Repentinus	You could try -Rssc kde-applications
2023-10-08 03:22:48	greentail	what's up with user Guimauve ?  
2023-10-08 03:25:36	Namarrgon	now you know what happens on the tenth try
2023-10-08 03:32:48	MacGyver	Namarrgon: Is ##fyc a forward to the-channel-for-which-i-always-forget-whether-it's-hyphenated?
2023-10-08 03:33:47	Namarrgon	yes, it redirects to ##fix_your_connection, which i can never remember either
2023-10-08 03:34:15	MacGyver	Let's hope I remember this redirect existing next time I need it :P
2023-10-08 03:35:47	Namarrgon	time to set up #f -> ##fyc
2023-10-08 03:37:13	greentail	Seriously though, why was Guimauve entering and leaving this channel? What caused that?  
2023-10-08 03:37:56	thingfish	someone with a lousy connection has the channel on auto-join?
2023-10-08 03:38:02	thingfish	dunno for sure
2023-10-08 03:38:19	sos666	or reboots, anything. can just turn those messages off
2023-10-08 03:40:33	quartz	Repentinus: Now it says "No target found kde-applications" when I do pacman -Rssc kde-applications :(
2023-10-08 03:46:33	Namarrgon	pacman -Qg kf5
2023-10-08 03:46:55	Namarrgon	kactivities is not part of the kde-applications group, i haven't checked the rest of the list
2023-10-08 03:55:10	quartz	Namarrgon: Sorry for the dumb question but how do i remove those packages? pacman -Qg kf5 reveals a lot of packages.
2023-10-08 03:55:38	Namarrgon	pacman can remove groups by name
2023-10-08 03:55:48	Namarrgon	if you really want to get rid of it
2023-10-08 03:56:12	quartz	I just want all those packages removed.
2023-10-08 03:57:17	Namarrgon	then remove the group, but check the list of candidates before you confirm, so you don't accidentally remove something important
2023-10-08 03:57:34	quartz	pacman -R kf5 is enough?
2023-10-08 03:57:37	quartz	OK
2023-10-08 03:57:53	Namarrgon	you probably want -s, too
2023-10-08 03:58:17	Namarrgon	maybe -c, depending on what else you have installed, but be careful with it
2023-10-08 04:00:04	quartz	Namarrgon: Ehh, now I get this mess when I run pacman -Rs kf5: https://i.ibb.co/kQyjQLv/Screenshot-from-2023-10-07-18-59-14.png
2023-10-08 04:00:14	quartz	This nightmare of removing plasma never ends lol
2023-10-08 04:00:20	Scimmia	...which is why he mentioned -c
2023-10-08 04:01:49	Namarrgon	welcome to package management
2023-10-08 04:04:45	Namarrgon	this isn't exclusive to plasma, the kde project is just pretty big but split up in many packages
2023-10-08 04:14:30	ParkerR	Heya. Long time no see morganamilo 
2023-10-08 04:16:51	morganamilo	ParkerR :)
2023-10-08 04:17:33	morganamilo	cowgirl said you were banned :) 
2023-10-08 04:17:35	ParkerR	Surpsied I was even able to remember my ZNC connection details and the fact that the server even worked.
2023-10-08 04:18:06	cowgirl	Must've thought of someone else!
2023-10-08 08:00:44	pkt	nice! incus 0.1 already available on AUR. hopefully will see it in extra repo soon :)
2023-10-08 08:10:53	ayushnix	My external display is connected to my desktop with DisplayPort. After resuming my monitor from sleep, it doesn't always detect an input signal from my desktop.
2023-10-08 08:11:08	ayushnix	The monitor is connected to an AMD RX6400.
2023-10-08 08:11:29	ayushnix	Is there a known issue about this? How can I make my monitor detect input signal from my desktop?
2023-10-08 08:12:03	ayushnix	Plugging out the DP cable and then back in doesn't always help.
2023-10-08 08:12:52	ayushnix	I also tried "echo detect | sudo tee /sys/class/drm/card0-DP-1/status" but that doesn't work either.
2023-10-08 08:13:47	thingfish	I don't know enough to help really, but yeah I think that's kind of common.  I seem to hear about that a fair amount.
2023-10-08 08:14:50	ayushnix	I wish Thunderbolt was a thing on graphic cards. That might be better than using a displayport.
2023-10-08 08:15:19	thingfish	have you had a look at the Arch forums?
2023-10-08 08:15:53	ayushnix	I did
2023-10-08 08:16:01	ayushnix	didn't find anything helpful yet
2023-10-08 08:16:41	thingfish	I'd suggest asking again when more folks are awake. It gets really quiet in here overnight.
2023-10-08 08:17:02	thingfish	although yes, in Europe it's daytime already.
2023-10-08 08:34:30	ayushnix	the only way out of this is to reboot my system
2023-10-08 08:34:54	ayushnix	not sure what happens in that case but that is the only way left at that point to make my monitor detect my system
2023-10-08 08:35:19	ayushnix	if there was a way to simulate that behavior without rebooting my system
2023-10-08 09:04:29	pkt	ayushnix: maybe you can try ddcutil - more on http://www.ddcutil.com/
2023-10-08 09:04:31	phrik	Title: ddcutil Documentation (at www.ddcutil.com)
2023-10-08 09:14:59	hendry	my Arch laptop is unstable with a new wifi6 router. Any advice how to debug this? https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=200367
2023-10-08 09:18:57	pkt	hendry: try manually set a channel after checking a good one with a wifi anylyzer app
2023-10-08 09:21:50	pkt	analyzer*
2023-10-08 09:26:03	NetSysFire	i'd first check your journal if iwlwifi, wpa_supplicant or your network manager complains about anything
2023-10-08 09:55:34	enoq	so guys, latest updates today made my PC stop booting
2023-10-08 09:56:02	enoq	can't find /dev/disk/by-label/system
2023-10-08 09:56:38	enoq	known issue?
2023-10-08 09:57:05	Ingar	sure, disk not found
2023-10-08 09:58:58	enoq	that's a disk layout thing right?
2023-10-08 09:59:05	enoq	no fs thing
2023-10-08 10:00:01	river	an update should not really cause that
2023-10-08 10:00:16	river	i suppose the bootloader and maybe initramfs was recreated with this update?
2023-10-08 10:00:33	enoq	yes
2023-10-08 10:00:40	river	but your configs would not have changed, so I can't think would it break
2023-10-08 10:02:29	Ingar	my guess, based on no info whatsoever, is that you try to boot the system with root=/dev/disk/by-label/system in the kernel cmd line
2023-10-08 10:02:51	river	yeah where in the boot process are you reaching? the kernel?
2023-10-08 10:03:38	enoq	Ingar: yes
2023-10-08 10:04:01	enoq	it stops after loading keymap, so I guess systemd trying to mount the root fs
2023-10-08 10:04:39	ayushnix	pkt: ddcutil isn't able to detect my monitor
2023-10-08 10:05:13	ayushnix	It's a Samsung Viewfinity S9
2023-10-08 10:05:31	Ingar	enoq: try root=LABEL=system
2023-10-08 10:07:32	enoq	ah fuck
2023-10-08 10:07:40	enoq	fdisk -l says
2023-10-08 10:08:02	enoq	GPT PMBR size mismatch ... will be corrected by write the backup gpt table isnot on the end of the device
2023-10-08 10:10:53	enoq	there are no disk hooks running for these updates, correct?
2023-10-08 10:11:01	enoq	is the nvme ssd a goner?
2023-10-08 10:17:33	river	you could try to mount it via the arch install disk
2023-10-08 10:17:45	river	oh you're already doing that probably, nvm
2023-10-08 10:18:11	enoq	yeah, just rewrote the partition
2023-10-08 10:18:29	enoq	now efi is gone xD
2023-10-08 10:42:40	mandem0110	Should I install open source amd driver or the other one?
2023-10-08 10:46:39	Ingar	mandem0110: I use the open source driver with a 6900
2023-10-08 10:48:20	enoq	ok, I managed to fix it by re-running fdisk, wiping the efi partition and reinstalling the boot loader
2023-10-08 10:48:37	enoq	I guess it's time for a new ssd
2023-10-08 10:48:53	enoq	windows bootloader is gone ofc
2023-10-08 10:51:15	enoq	I'm running btrfs btw, but that shouldn't be an issue, right?
2023-10-08 11:06:59	low-key	following the arch wiki on loading icc profiles and it asks me to start/enable colord.service
2023-10-08 11:07:20	low-key	doing this however results in "The unit files have no installation config" error
2023-10-08 11:12:16	low-key	okay, so sudo systemctl status colord.service says that it's loaded and active
2023-10-08 11:12:24	low-key	however colormgr get-devices gives me no output at all
2023-10-08 11:42:16	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-10-20 22:53:30	rcf	trolltechqti: If you're trying something else to verify an issue isn't unique to arch, fine, I tell people to do that all the time, but if this is just a slax issue, it's going to be pretty far removed from Arch and others will have better solutions. 
2023-10-20 22:57:43	valdur55	is it possible to move from manjaro to archlinux without whole system reinstall? :D
2023-10-20 22:58:17	Namarrgon	yes but it's better to start from scratch
2023-10-20 22:58:53	valdur55	actually. i come from years experience with ubuntu based distros and bougth new computer for giving arch linux based distro test drive.
2023-10-20 22:59:15	bonob	how would you do a clean Arch to Arch reinstall?
2023-10-20 23:00:04	Namarrgon	the same way you would do a regular install
2023-10-20 23:00:04	valdur55	i know. dumb question :D
2023-10-20 23:01:09	gehidore	assuming you have a separate /home you wouldn't have to wipe it necessarily
2023-10-20 23:02:38	valdur55	nah. i just installed it to root part. not home this time... usually i use separate home.
2023-10-20 23:03:05	valdur55	But it wouldn't help much because some manjaro stuff sits at /etc folder.
2023-10-20 23:03:33	valdur55	need think what to do those manjaro custom config for sway
2023-10-20 23:04:18	Namarrgon	you dump them and start from scratch
2023-10-20 23:07:51	valdur55	anyways. i did my own custom conf based from my old i3 install... bringing it back to pure sway would be some work but doable.
2023-10-20 23:11:22	baltazar	hi! php(-fpm) appears to be broken on my install... I'm getting warnings like this: http://ix.io/4JwX
2023-10-20 23:11:37	baltazar	any ideas?
2023-10-20 23:12:21	madlad	baltazar: Do you have those php modules installed?
2023-10-20 23:12:26	baltazar	yep
2023-10-20 23:12:35	madlad	Which packages?
2023-10-20 23:13:25	baltazar	this is what I have installed: php-legacy
2023-10-20 23:13:25	baltazar	php-legacy-apcu
2023-10-20 23:13:25	baltazar	php-legacy-fpm
2023-10-20 23:13:25	baltazar	php-legacy-gd
2023-10-20 23:13:25	baltazar	php-legacy-igbinary
2023-10-20 23:13:27	baltazar	php-legacy-imagick
2023-10-20 23:13:30	baltazar	php-legacy-pgsql
2023-10-20 23:13:32	baltazar	php-legacy-redis
2023-10-20 23:13:35	baltazar	(oops)
2023-10-20 23:34:10	lakiluki	Hey, any idea how I could enable the syslog under /var/log/syslog on Arch?
2023-10-20 23:35:46	madlad	typically, syslog data is accessed via journalctl
2023-10-20 23:36:28	lakiluki	madlad: I know, but I would really need it to be on /var/log/syslog just temporarily
2023-10-20 23:36:48	Khorne	journalctl > /var/log/syslog
2023-10-20 23:37:05	Khorne	Just install any logdaemon that logs to there and enable log forwarding
2023-10-20 23:37:42	Khorne	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Syslog-ng
2023-10-20 23:37:43	phrik	Title: syslog-ng - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-10-20 23:38:26	MrElendig	baltazar: -Qkk 1>/dev/null
2023-10-20 23:38:37	baltazar	MrElendig: checked, nothing related
2023-10-20 23:38:52	MrElendig	baltazar: does the files exists on disk?
2023-10-20 23:39:54	MrElendig	baltazar: also, personally I would switch to containers
2023-10-20 23:40:07	baltazar	MrElendig: the .so-s do exist, yes
2023-10-20 23:40:14	MrElendig	check permissions then
2023-10-20 23:40:17	baltazar	MrElendig: yea, that would make sense but for now I'd like to fix this
2023-10-20 23:40:52	MrElendig	hmm actually
2023-10-20 23:41:23	MrElendig	looks more like a version conflict
2023-10-20 23:41:51	MrElendig	you are actually executing the correct php interpeter?
2023-10-20 23:42:09	baltazar	don't have anything else, just the stuff from the php-legacy packages
2023-10-20 23:42:32	lakiluki	Khorne: thanks, I'll try it. Also, should messages from syslog(3) also end up in the journal, and be forwarded to syslog-ng?
2023-10-20 23:44:11	MrElendig	make sure you are fully updated
2023-10-20 23:44:13	Khorne	lakiluki, they should be captured by journald and be forwarded depending on your configuration
2023-10-20 23:44:46	MrElendig	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/79959
2023-10-20 23:44:47	phrik	Title: FS#79959 : [php-legacy] 8.1.23-2 missing symbol php_strlcpy used by PHP APCU (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-10-20 23:45:25	MrElendig	!kittypack
2023-10-20 23:45:26	phrik	A crappy cli tool to poke archlinux.org/packages https://github.com/MrElendig/kittypack https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/kittypack-git/ Now with more deps!
2023-10-20 23:46:09	baltazar	hmm
2023-10-20 23:59:58	rawktucc	rcf just  letting you know so far the SSD looks good
2023-10-21 00:00:01	rawktucc	knock on wood
2023-10-21 00:00:06	rcf	Nice
2023-10-21 00:00:36	rawktucc	formatted, then did a security wipe, then upgraded firmware with windows which sucked but whatever, and now reinstalling arch cleanly with all the same packages as the original install
2023-10-21 00:00:42	rawktucc	and everything seems to just be flying by installing
2023-10-21 00:00:58	rawktucc	there's another benefit here, I get 100GB back from an old windows install that was at the head of the SSD, so I guess it's good I did this idk
2023-10-21 00:01:49	tkna	When searching for files with pacman -Fy, is the local package database updated? Perhaps doing pacman -Fy without doing pacman -Syu is not recommended?
2023-10-21 00:05:59	rawktucc	crap. i have to redo this new drive install because I forgot a BIOS boot partition
2023-10-21 00:08:09	MrElendig	rawktucc: or just create it at the end
2023-10-21 00:08:21	rawktucc	it needs to be at the head
2023-10-21 00:08:23	MrElendig	rawktucc: but what horrible hardware is this?
2023-10-21 00:08:28	MrElendig	rawktucc: it doesn't
2023-10-21 00:08:29	rawktucc	Oh, sorry
2023-10-21 00:08:45	MrElendig	rawktucc: how far in it can be depends on how broken the firmware is
2023-10-21 00:08:52	MrElendig	firmware/bios
2023-10-21 00:08:55	rawktucc	it's a modern system...
2023-10-21 00:08:58	rawktucc	I just dont like UEFI
2023-10-21 00:09:05	rawktucc	i dont like how the EFI files are just THERE in your filesystem
2023-10-21 00:09:07	rcf	Needs to be within MBR limits. 
2023-10-21 00:09:11	MrElendig	... you are still using uefi, just pretending not to be
2023-10-21 00:09:14	rawktucc	i use BIOS/GPT
2023-10-21 00:09:15	rawktucc	:shrug:
2023-10-21 00:09:16	MrElendig	csm is horrible
2023-10-21 00:09:22	rawktucc	it works!
2023-10-21 00:09:27	rawktucc	7 years now
2023-10-21 00:09:36	MrElendig	native uefi works even better
2023-10-21 00:09:45	rawktucc	what benefit does it bring
2023-10-21 00:09:49	rcf	It depends on the implementation 
2023-10-21 00:09:57	rawktucc	im not sure I can do my encrypted boot + root with UEFI
2023-10-21 00:10:06	MrElendig	sure you can
2023-10-21 00:10:17	MrElendig	no difference at all from bios in that case
2023-10-21 00:10:45	MrElendig	except that you can also protect grub with secureboot
2023-10-21 00:11:18	rawktucc	the highest risk of my system is someone breaking in
2023-10-21 00:11:26	rawktucc	if it's at that point the machine is fucked anyway
2023-10-21 00:12:25	rcf	Why encrypt at all then?
2023-10-21 00:12:40	rawktucc	:shrug:
2023-10-21 00:12:56	rawktucc	if the drive fails there's no way to recover the data if it's sent in for RMA, or sent to scrap
2023-10-21 00:15:34	rawktucc	the best part about Linux is that you can do whatever you want without judgement :)
2023-10-21 00:39:47	bswartz	Judgement? Who's judging you for using Linux?
2023-10-21 00:43:20	rawktucc	no, for using BIOS/GPT in the year of Linux Computing 2023
2023-10-21 00:47:29	gehidore	Linux users suck
2023-10-21 00:47:32	gehidore	I judge
2023-10-21 00:47:56	farkenvoid	perfect headline
2023-10-21 00:48:05	⚡ 	bswartz slaps gehidore around a bit with a large trout
2023-10-21 00:48:31	Eisenhans	is this BIOS booters anonymous? because I kinda have a confession to make.
2023-10-21 00:50:04	⚡ 	MrElendig opens trenchcoat
2023-10-21 00:50:23	MrElendig	do you want some.... LiLO?
2023-10-21 01:01:06	ariadnavigo	wow that is a throwback
2023-10-21 01:06:36	mharig	I have a problem with some qt5 based progs. Since the last update on thursday, vlc, zeal and qutebrowser just display pixel garbage after boot. After reboot, those 3 work normal. zeal and qutebrowser have this problem longer. Any hint?
2023-10-21 01:16:08	MrElendig	make sure you are fully up to date, including rebuilding aur packages
2023-10-21 01:28:29	rawktucc	don't forget to rebuild qt5-styleplugins as well from aur
2023-10-21 02:50:15	mharig	Thanx.
2023-10-21 04:23:24	rawktucc	I've installed grub, grub-mkconfig, i added encrypt to HOOKS in mkinitcpio
2023-10-21 04:23:50	rawktucc	every time I try to boot it tells me "invalid passphrase" but I know it's correct. vconsole KEYMAP is us, keyboard and keymap are set in HOOKS before autodetect and encrypt
2023-10-21 04:24:01	rawktucc	really confused why it keeps telling me the password iswrong, even doing a manual cryptomount in grub rescue
2023-10-21 04:24:08	rawktucc	Does GRUB still not support LUKS2? Maybe that's it?
2023-10-21 04:25:10	another|	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#LUKS2
2023-10-21 04:25:10	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-10-21 04:25:35	rawktucc	woof
2023-10-21 04:25:53	rawktucc	> and make sure the LUKS2 volume is using PBKDF2 instead of Argon2id or Argon2i. 
2023-10-21 04:26:03	rawktucc	sounds like all those suggestions in that section are irrelevant except that
2023-10-21 04:28:51	Trel	Honestly not sure if this is an Arch question, a Pulse question, a KDE question, or a Linux generic question, but is there any way I can increase the baseline volume for all audio devices?  Such that 70% is louder for example.
2023-10-21 04:30:09	rawktucc	another|, crytpsetup luksFormat -v -y /dev/sdX && cryptsetup luksConvertKey --pbkdf pbkdf2 /dev/sdX
2023-10-21 04:30:13	rawktucc	well minus that typo
2023-10-21 05:48:52	gnsfujiwara	Hi guys, how can I request or indicate a change in the source of an original package, there is a package called handlr (https://github.com/chmln/handlr), which has been abandoned for 2 years, but someone else decided to keep it project (https://github.com/Anomalocaridid/handlr-regex), with another name, but essentially it is the same program, which is 36 commits ahead and is very well
2023-10-21 05:48:52	gnsfujiwara	maintained, but for some reason the arch package source is 
2023-10-21 05:48:52	gnsfujiwara	still use the old source.
2023-10-21 06:36:05	susi	on the other hand, handlr's code is pretty trivial, and not that much Rust code... maybe it's perfect and ready, no need to do changes to it
2023-10-21 06:37:08	rcf	gnsfujiwara: are there bugs present in the packaged version that are fixed in the fork
2023-10-21 08:45:46	Rikle_S	Hello, I just updated Arch with "pacman -Syu," and after rebooting, Gnome no longer handles screens correctly. In fact, it only detects one screen at a resolution of 1024. I'm not sure how to proceed
2023-10-21 08:50:58	rcf	Rikle_S: under /sys/class/drm you should find directories for each output of your GPU, and within them will be a 'modes' file that indicates that modes that the kernel believes are valid. Are these modes similarly restricted in your case? 
2023-10-21 09:02:21	Rikle_S	rcf: mmmh, not sure to understand, but those files looks empty (modes)
2023-10-21 09:07:32	BrainDamage	find -L /sys/class/drm -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 2 -name 'modes' -exec cat {} \; 2>/dev/null
2023-10-21 09:08:12	Namarrgon	which gpu do you have?
2023-10-21 09:11:17	rcf	Rikle_S: if those files don't report any modes, I suspsect a kernel issue with the GPU driver. 
2023-10-21 09:46:38	bigshot00	grawity, you there?
2023-10-21 09:46:56	bigshot00	i can't connect to wifi with dual boot'
2023-10-21 09:47:02	bigshot00	on linux
2023-10-21 09:48:11	bigshot00	hello?
2023-10-21 09:48:20	Namarrgon	hello
2023-10-21 09:48:36	bigshot00	i can't to wifi with dual band router
2023-10-21 09:48:40	bigshot00	connect
2023-10-21 09:48:53	bigshot00	i can connect to 2.4g router but not to dual band
2023-10-21 09:49:25	bigshot00	Namarrgon, you know any nmcli command to debug?
2023-10-21 09:49:59	Namarrgon	what does the nm service log to the journal when you attempt to connect to the dual-band ap?
2023-10-21 09:50:33	bigshot00	Namarrgon, it repeatedly asks me for password
2023-10-21 09:50:47	bigshot00	Namarrgon, how to get service log?
2023-10-21 09:51:09	bigshot00	journlctl -b "service"?
2023-10-21 09:51:51	Namarrgon	--unit NetworkManager.service
2023-10-21 09:52:46	bigshot00	 device (wlp0s20f3): Activation: (wifi) Ad-Hoc network creation took too long, failing activation
2023-10-21 09:53:04	bigshot00	504] device (wlp0s20f3): state change: config -> failed (reason 'supplicant-timeout', sys-iface-state: 'managed')
2023-10-21 09:53:41	Namarrgon	post the complete output to a paste service
2023-10-21 09:54:53	bigshot00	!paste
2023-10-21 09:54:54	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-10-21 09:59:23	bigshot00	Namarrgon, https://bpa.st/G44A
2023-10-21 09:59:23	phrik	Title: View paste G44A (at bpa.st)
2023-10-21 10:01:52	Namarrgon	"tree /etc/systemd/system"
2023-10-21 10:02:44	bigshot00	huh?
2023-10-21 10:02:50	Namarrgon	post the output
2023-10-21 10:03:37	bigshot00	Namarrgon, https://bpa.st/6CEQ
2023-10-21 10:03:38	phrik	Title: View paste 6CEQ (at bpa.st)
2023-10-21 10:04:38	Namarrgon	is that your shell's interpretation of "tree"?
2023-10-21 10:04:50	bigshot00	yes
2023-10-21 10:04:55	Namarrgon	try the real one
2023-10-21 10:05:47	bigshot00	real one?
2023-10-21 10:06:02	Namarrgon	pacman -S tree
2023-10-21 10:07:26	bigshot00	Namarrgon, that too much of text
2023-10-21 10:07:31	bigshot00	you want anything specific from it?
2023-10-21 10:08:06	Namarrgon	how much could you possibly have in /etc/systemd/system?
2023-10-21 10:09:31	bigshot00	Namarrgon, https://bpa.st/QKEQ
2023-10-21 10:09:32	phrik	Title: View paste QKEQ (at bpa.st)
2023-10-21 10:11:11	bigshot00	Namarrgon, this problem occured in ubuntu gnome, i only had to choose 2.4 ghz in network settings, but i don't know how to do it in KDE
2023-10-21 10:13:24	bigshot00	maybe i can do something with nmcli
2023-10-21 10:13:42	bigshot00	NM in Gnome is more advanced than in KDE NM
2023-10-21 10:15:54	bigshot00	Namarrgon, you there bud?
2023-10-21 10:19:23	astralc	last time I used gnome, the NM settings was the same (with almost same UI layout) with Plasma
2023-10-21 10:20:02	Namarrgon	bigshot00: nmcli might let you force a band, otherwise you can edit the connection details in /etc/NetworkManager manually
2023-10-21 10:20:20	bigshot00	how
2023-10-21 10:21:00	bigshot00	i can first check with nmcli 
2023-10-21 10:21:06	bigshot00	and then add it to .conf
2023-10-21 10:21:39	bigshot00	know what command i should try with nmcli?
2023-10-21 10:22:34	bigshot00	in setting there is b/g but no b/g/n
2023-10-21 10:25:36	astralc	are you talking about protocol or band?
2023-10-21 10:25:45	bigshot00	band
2023-10-21 10:25:57	bigshot00	maybe both
2023-10-21 10:25:58	bigshot00	whichever works
2023-10-21 10:26:25	bigshot00	i just had to select 2.4ghz in gnome but there is no such thing in KDE
2023-10-21 10:28:40	astralc	"Link-2.4_X" is dual band network?
2023-10-21 10:28:57	bigshot00	no 
2023-10-21 10:29:05	bigshot00	that is the one with 2.4ghz N
2023-10-21 10:29:11	bigshot00	it works fine
2023-10-21 10:29:32	bigshot00	Link-2.4_X works but not the other one 
2023-10-21 10:30:03	astralc	'Link-2.4'?
2023-10-21 10:30:07	bigshot00	yes that is dual band
2023-10-21 10:40:19	bigshot00	?
2023-10-21 10:41:41	bigshot00	<warn>  [1697826602.1517] device (wlp0s20f3): Activation: (wifi) association took too long
2023-10-21 10:41:41	bigshot00	Oct 21 00:00:02 kp-archBox NetworkManager[462]: <info>  [1697826602.1519] device (wlp0s20f3): state change: config -> need-auth (reason 'none', sys-iface-state: 'managed')
2023-10-21 10:42:19	bigshot00	it says reason 'none'?
2023-10-21 10:42:22	astralc	if it is USB card, try to change the usb port
2023-10-21 10:42:30	bigshot00	it is wifi
2023-10-21 10:42:32	bigshot00	intel nuc
2023-10-21 10:45:00	bigshot00	https://superuser.com/questions/1693305/wifi-association-took-too-long-failing-activation
2023-10-21 10:45:02	phrik	Title: linux - Wifi association took too long, failing activation - Super User (at superuser.com)
2023-10-21 10:47:24	bigshot00	https://askubuntu.com/questions/630306/wlan-problem-wlan0-wireless-association-took-too-long-failing-activation
2023-10-21 10:47:26	phrik	Title: 15.04 - WLAN problem: (wlan0/wireless): association took too long, failing activation - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
2023-10-21 10:52:35	bigshot00	anyone?
2023-10-21 10:56:21	susi	bigshot00: my controller sometimes bugs like that, then I rmmod and modprobe some drivers, or suspend-resume
2023-10-21 11:11:02	bigshot_	https://askubuntu.com/questions/55854/wireless-works-under-gnome-but-not-under-kde-on-the-same-laptop
2023-10-21 11:11:04	phrik	Title: Wireless works under Gnome but not under KDE on the same Laptop - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
2023-10-21 11:11:25	bigshot_	how to install nm-applet in KDE?
2023-10-21 11:12:51	astralc	plasma-nm
2023-10-21 11:14:04	bigshot_	how to run it?
2023-10-21 11:14:06	bigshot_	i installed itg
2023-10-21 11:14:30	bigshot_	astralc, 
2023-10-21 11:14:42	astralc	relogin
2023-10-21 11:15:02	bigshot_	astralc, do i need to uninstall previous app?
2023-10-21 11:15:13	bigshot_	or will it stay along with plasma-nm?
2023-10-21 11:15:18	susi	I doubt it's gonna fix your problem, and if it does, then time to check what's wrong in your configs
2023-10-21 11:15:46	astralc	it is just NM frontend, so everything is the configs
2023-10-21 11:18:00	bigshot00	Asterisk, i logged out and in
2023-10-21 11:18:09	bigshot00	but i still don't see plasma-nm
2023-10-21 11:18:12	susi	bigshot00: which distro are you using?
2023-10-21 11:18:46	bigshot00	susi, this is the same problem i am facing with many distros, gnome works but not KDE
2023-10-21 11:20:15	bigshot00	Asterisk, how to start plasma-nm?
2023-10-21 11:20:48	astralc	it starts automatically if NM running
2023-10-21 11:20:55	susi	bigshot00: are you running Arch now?
2023-10-21 11:20:56	astralc	it is in the notification area
2023-10-21 11:21:22	MrElendig	bigshot00: pacman -Q plasma-nm
2023-10-21 11:21:57	MrElendig	bigshot00: cat /etc/*-release | curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2023-10-21 11:21:58	bigshot00	MrElendig,  pacman -Q plasma-nm                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
2023-10-21 11:21:58	bigshot00	                      127 ✘ 
2023-10-21 11:21:58	bigshot00	plasma-nm 5.27.8-2
2023-10-21 11:21:59	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2023-10-21 11:22:37	MrElendig	and systemctl status NetworkManager
2023-10-21 11:24:06	bigshot00	MrElendig, it is enabled
2023-10-21 11:24:10	bigshot00	rand active runnning
2023-10-21 11:24:36	bigshot00	MrElendig, if i use gnomes nm i can connect but not with kde nm
2023-10-21 11:24:49	bigshot00	i just installed plasma-nm but how to run it?
2023-10-21 11:25:29	MrElendig	still waiting for the other output
2023-10-21 11:27:21	bigshot00	MrElendig, ?
2023-10-21 11:27:34	MrElendig	`cat /etc/*-release | curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs`
2023-10-21 11:27:35	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2023-10-21 11:28:00	bigshot00	MrElendig, it is Manjaro
2023-10-21 11:28:22	MrElendig	bigshot00: then kindly go to #manjaro
2023-10-21 11:28:37	MrElendig	you *know* better than to ask here about manjaro problems
2023-10-21 11:28:42	Namarrgon	...
2023-10-21 11:28:43	MrElendig	consider that a warning
2023-10-21 11:28:50	Namarrgon	i should have known better
2023-10-21 11:29:05	bigshot00	MrElendig, but this *same* problem occurs on "every" distro
2023-10-21 11:29:15	MrElendig	doesn't matter
2023-10-21 11:29:21	MrElendig	see https://coc.archlinux.org
2023-10-21 11:29:22	phrik	Title: Code of Conduct | Arch Linux Terms (at coc.archlinux.org)
2023-10-21 11:29:39	MrElendig	and if it happens on every distro, that strongly suggests a pebcak
2023-10-21 11:30:04	MrElendig	or sharing $HOME with broken configs
2023-10-21 11:33:51	bigshot00	MrElendig, it is fresh install
2023-10-21 11:33:57	bigshot00	pebcak is not an issue
2023-10-21 11:34:32	MrElendig	that's what they all say
2023-10-21 11:35:14	MrElendig	anyway, #manjaro, or better, their forum/discord since they have basically abandoned irc
2023-10-21 11:36:31	bigshot00	MrElendig, what do you suggest should i delete this distro since they are not on irc?
2023-10-21 11:36:58	MrElendig	no, you should go to their forum/discord
2023-10-21 11:37:43	bigshot00	i thought arch linux users like 'grawity' might be able to solve this issue, 'cause i had similar issue few years back and that person was able to solve it
2023-10-21 11:37:56	MrElendig	again https://coc.archlinux.org
2023-10-21 11:37:57	phrik	Title: Code of Conduct | Arch Linux Terms (at coc.archlinux.org)
2023-10-21 11:40:22	bigshot00	MrElendig, anyway, good bye bud ;)
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2023-10-26 04:39:01	dsimic	what kind of computer is that?
2023-10-26 04:39:10	xecuter	perhaps it is because APU or UEFI Firmware
2023-10-26 04:39:17	xecuter	Deskmini X300 
2023-10-26 04:39:22	wooparadog	xecuter: is the crash like total power loss?
2023-10-26 04:39:39	dsimic	good question
2023-10-26 04:39:59	dsimic	ah, so the PSU is an external brick
2023-10-26 04:40:29	xecuter	some times all is hanging and the sound of video .. the last 2sec autoreboot into the unlimited with all freeze
2023-10-26 04:40:39	dsimic	could it be that it's overheating?  it has some small fan that could be clogged with dust
2023-10-26 04:40:57	xecuter	and sometime all is energy off. keyboard is going dark.... as like as blackout.... than auto reboot
2023-10-26 04:41:51	xecuter	fan is cleaned. additional i have 2nd outside for cooling case
2023-10-26 04:42:15	dsimic	hmm
2023-10-26 04:42:46	xecuter	CPUTIN:                 +47.0°C
2023-10-26 04:43:01	xecuter	SYSTIN:                +116.0°C 
2023-10-26 04:43:09	xecuter	AUXTIN1:               +108.0°C
2023-10-26 04:43:38	dsimic	I'd try replacing the SODIMM modules first, or if you have two modules installed, try having only one of them installed
2023-10-26 04:43:51	xecuter	:(( ok
2023-10-26 04:43:54	dsimic	but the auto reboots are quite strange
2023-10-26 04:44:14	dsimic	however, testing with only one SODIMM module could pinpoint the issue
2023-10-26 04:44:33	xecuter	ya, installed are 2 SODIMMS
2023-10-26 04:44:46	dsimic	then you can try easily with only one
2023-10-26 04:45:45	xecuter	but how i can provocating? my problem is comes ~24h
2023-10-26 04:46:06	dsimic	try building the kernel, to stress test the hardware
2023-10-26 04:46:32	xecuter	benchmark i had start, too. 5 benchmark in same time
2023-10-26 04:46:56	dsimic	hmm, what are those temperatures over 100 oC?  perhaps some misconfiguration of the sensors
2023-10-26 04:47:03	xecuter	try building the kernel == reinstall "linux" package?
2023-10-26 04:47:21	dsimic	== download the Linux kernel source and build the default condifuration
2023-10-26 04:47:30	dsimic	configuration *
2023-10-26 04:47:43	xecuter	ya the 100 oC is ... everytime. i never seen there a realistic value. 
2023-10-26 04:51:15	xecuter	do you have easy tutorial? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel/Arch_build_system
2023-10-26 04:51:16	phrik	Title: Kernel/Arch build system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-10-26 04:55:17	dsimic	maybe this:  https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/quickly-build-trimmed-linux.html
2023-10-26 04:55:18	phrik	Title: How to quickly build a trimmed Linux kernel — The Linux Kernel documentation (at docs.kernel.org)
2023-10-26 04:55:36	dsimic	except that you can download the kernel source from kernel.org as a tarball
2023-10-26 04:56:02	dsimic	and just stop at the "make -j..." step
2023-10-26 04:57:43	dsimic	also, this mini PC uses a rather standard CPU cooler
2023-10-26 04:58:06	dsimic	which makes it being clogged with dust much less possible
2023-10-26 05:00:33	dsimic	also, I'd suggest that you try cleaning the edge connector on the SODIMMs with some IPA and qtips
2023-10-26 05:00:58	dsimic	they're sometimes dirty despite looking shiny and clean
2023-10-26 05:01:08	dsimic	... and good luck :)
2023-10-26 05:03:53	xecuter	cooler is : Noctua-NH-L9a-AM4-Topblow with liquid metal
2023-10-26 05:04:11	xecuter	existing SODIMMS coolers, too?
2023-10-26 05:04:17	wooparadog	.... that's exotic...
2023-10-26 05:04:59	dsimic	Noctua is nice, but liquid metal...  otfen an overkill, frankly
2023-10-26 05:05:24	dsimic	heatsinks for SODIMMs are also often more counterproducitve than useful
2023-10-26 05:05:34	dsimic	and for DIMMs
2023-10-26 05:05:59	dsimic	s/otfen/often/
2023-10-26 05:06:37	dsimic	actually, I've never seen some SODIMM heatsinks?
2023-10-26 05:06:53	dsimic	are you sure you've got them?
2023-10-26 05:07:14	xecuter	no i do not having
2023-10-26 05:07:21	dsimic	good
2023-10-26 05:07:36	xecuter	and i can playGTA5 for hours
2023-10-26 05:07:53	dsimic	it crashes randomly?
2023-10-26 05:08:28	xecuter	randomly, very randomly.... last time i was just idle on desktop
2023-10-26 05:08:36	dsimic	does it crash under Linux or what?
2023-10-26 05:08:40	xecuter	but i can play games
2023-10-26 05:09:04	xecuter	randomly freeze  or direct  power shut complete down
2023-10-26 05:09:12	dsimic	do you actually use Arch Linux?
2023-10-26 05:09:16	xecuter	yes i do
2023-10-26 05:09:18	wooparadog	xecuter: like I said, I can also play games for hours, but cuda(Stable Diffusion) always managed to crash my system.
2023-10-26 05:09:41	rcf	xecuter: so you said that you ran RAM check and it crashed... what did that RAM check consist of? 
2023-10-26 05:10:07	dsimic	good question
2023-10-26 05:10:20	xecuter	wooparadog: what could it be? if i just watch youtube or read a website.... 
2023-10-26 05:10:36	rcf	xecuter: and do you also have another OS with similar issues? If it's doing this across the board I think a hardware fault is unfortunately likely. And not necessarily an easy one to fix. 
2023-10-26 05:10:55	xecuter	i just using arch linux
2023-10-26 05:11:31	dsimic	for the record, I had a PC that experienced random errors under light loads, generic RAM tests returned no errors, but the RAM turned out to be bad
2023-10-26 05:11:42	dsimic	after replacing the RAM, it worked flawlessly for many years
2023-10-26 05:12:20	xecuter	ok
2023-10-26 05:12:26	wooparadog	xecuter: if it crashes even without load, I'd go through: memory => motherboard => power supply.. But I do think it's hardware related..
2023-10-26 05:12:56	xecuter	;((
2023-10-26 05:13:12	dsimic	it's most probably a hardware issue
2023-10-26 05:13:15	dsimic	it happens
2023-10-26 05:13:49	dsimic	you can also try reducing the RAM speed in the firmware setup
2023-10-26 05:13:53	xecuter	than i have buy new hardware for check-testing?
2023-10-26 05:14:27	dsimic	I already suggested that you try with just one SODIMM module installed
2023-10-26 05:14:38	wooparadog	or if you can reprodce the problem reliably, you can find a frind or bring your machine to a repair shop
2023-10-26 05:14:43	dsimic	you can also try cleaning the edge connectors, and reducing the RAM speed
2023-10-26 05:15:05	wooparadog	yeah, try unplug and plug, connectors, etc.
2023-10-26 05:15:15	xecuter	ya, clean  connectors i will do
2023-10-26 05:15:24	xecuter	alcohol and tip?
2023-10-26 05:15:30	xecuter	qtip
2023-10-26 05:15:35	dsimic	yes, IPA and q-tip
2023-10-26 05:15:50	xecuter	i will try it later, it is middle of the night
2023-10-26 05:15:52	rcf	xecuter: before writing it off or messing with hardware, vary the software considerably. Even something like booting up the windows/BSD/whatever installer but not doing anything would help identify an issue -- if it stops responding or hard resets when you leave it like that you can fairly quickly rule out a software problem. 
2023-10-26 05:16:47	dsimic	also a good suggestion
2023-10-26 05:17:22	xecuter	hard reset == cmos jumping?
2023-10-26 05:17:35	rcf	xecuter: no, I just mean it reboots without warning. 
2023-10-26 05:17:51	dsimic	like power cycling
2023-10-26 05:18:29	xecuter	ahh ok, good key word 4 my problem
2023-10-26 05:18:32	dsimic	is anything overclocked?
2023-10-26 05:18:49	xecuter	RAM 3200 -> 3400 :) 1,35V
2023-10-26 05:19:03	rcf	Dial that back, as much as it may pain you. 
2023-10-26 05:19:06	dsimic	well, try not to overclock
2023-10-26 05:19:44	dsimic	whenever you go into the overclocking territory, you can't complain about lockups, reboots, etc.
2023-10-26 05:20:29	xecuter	in internet is written, that my ballistix 3200 RAM, can with Deskmini 3600, too
2023-10-26 05:20:50	dsimic	it's actually not considerate to ask why something locks up with some overclocking applied
2023-10-26 05:21:20	rcf	xecuter: unfortunately typical results don't always apply. Sometimes you got the bad end of the manufacturer binning. 
2023-10-26 05:21:22	dsimic	screw what Internet says
2023-10-26 05:23:44	rcf	A lot of times overclocking works great. But I've had many duds in my day. Swapping out with an identical part number solved the problem. They test it at 3200. Sometimes it's comfortable doing that and can easily take more. Sometimes it's already on the edge, but hey, it meets the spec, so.... 
2023-10-26 05:26:54	rcf	xecuter: I'd say test with other software environments regardless. But also go back to stock speed. If that solves the problem, if you can return it, great, do that, otherwise you're going to have to experiment with maybe better cooling, adjusting the low level timings a bit, etc. 
2023-10-26 05:29:58	dsimic	it's all a waste of time, quite frankly, for what?  like 5-10% better performance, and for incertainity
2023-10-26 05:30:30	dsimic	s/incertainity/uncertainity/
2023-10-26 05:30:33	rcf	It's fun to push things. It should be mentioned up front, though, as you say. 
2023-10-26 05:31:02	rcf	There's no guarantee unless you pay for the rating you want. 
2023-10-26 05:31:07	dsimic	yes, it can be fun, but you need to know a whole lot before it becomes fun
2023-10-26 05:37:09	xecuter	stupid DSL and 24h autodisconnect... but in this time i have reset ram back to 3200MHz
2023-10-26 05:37:30	dsimic	let's see will it make it run better
2023-10-26 05:38:29	xecuter	and i wanted start memtest. but that is not available in grub :(
2023-10-26 05:39:02	xecuter	i had reinstall it, but.... i do not know
2023-10-26 05:39:33	dsimic	there's some logic that disables it, I forgot the details
2023-10-26 05:40:17	xecuter	i have an medicat USB-stick. there i will have memtest, too!:)
2023-10-26 07:01:31	amosbird	Hello! Why do I get "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument" when trying to do "sudo ip link set wlp0s20f3 netns usa"? Both wlp0s20f3 interface and usa netns exists.
2023-10-26 07:07:12	Edu4rdSHL	amosbird, check the journal
2023-10-26 07:07:23	amosbird	I see. wireless card needs iw
2023-10-26 07:07:25	amosbird	https://superuser.com/questions/653996/how-to-move-wireless-connection-to-other-network-namespace
2023-10-26 07:07:27	phrik	Title: linux - How to move wireless connection to other network namespace? - Super User (at superuser.com)
2023-10-26 08:51:46	teJECSke	hello, do we have a package of postgresql extension system_stats? what's the way of installing it if not?
2023-10-26 08:56:44	archdemon	teJECSke: search the aur
2023-10-26 09:47:11	wooparadog	better yet, if it does not exists, create one
2023-10-26 11:00:00	PMunch	Anyone knows why my X keyboard setting reverts every time I install a package?
2023-10-26 11:00:10	PMunch	Or update the system for that matter
2023-10-26 11:00:17	@jelle	what do you modify?
2023-10-26 11:01:11	mefistofeles	yeah, PMunch , how are you changing the settings in the first place?
2023-10-26 11:01:23	PMunch	Hmm, good question
2023-10-26 11:02:12	PMunch	I seem to have a setxkbmap in my .xinitrc file
2023-10-26 11:04:21	mefistofeles	PMunch: yeah, that's not persistent enough
2023-10-26 11:04:44	mefistofeles	PMunch: you can check https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg/Keyboard_configuration#Setting_keyboard_layout 
2023-10-26 11:04:46	phrik	Title: Xorg/Keyboard configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-10-26 11:04:51	mefistofeles	for more persistent ways of doing that
2023-10-26 11:15:05	Ashark	Is registering in accounts.archlinux.oirg locked down to github?
2023-10-26 11:32:22	zero11	Hello, How do I adjust my backlight? Im using the modsetting driver and Im using Xorg
2023-10-26 11:36:32	zero11	rcf, acpibacklight works but it requires sudo, How do I make it non-sudo
2023-10-26 11:45:16	sshine	zero11, I can recommend the 'rumos' CLI.
2023-10-26 11:45:36	zero11	Everytime I boot up my machine, my clock is messed up. I have to run 'sudo ntpd -qg' to fix it. What's the issue here?
2023-10-26 11:45:54	sshine	could be a flat bios battery
2023-10-26 11:46:11	zero11	sshine, I installed acpibacklight and added my user to the video group. It fixed it
2023-10-26 11:46:23	sshine	ok
2023-10-26 11:46:37	zero11	sshine, But this is a new laptop. It's only been an year since I bought it
2023-10-26 11:46:44	sshine	I have 'bindsym XF86MonBrightnessUp exec --no-startup-id rumos inc 5' etc. in my i3 config.
2023-10-26 11:47:09	mkoskar	wth is rumos?
2023-10-26 11:47:31	plitter	I was screensharing before on chromium in teams, but it stopped working. As in when I choose share screen I get the 3 tabs to choose from (tabs, windows, screen) and when I press screen it just changes back to tabs. Any suggestions for next step?
2023-10-26 11:47:41	sshine	mkoskar, https://github.com/octagony/rumos
2023-10-26 11:48:49	mkoskar	oh ok yet another, I was just that it isn't in repos or aur
2023-10-26 11:49:19	zero11	sshine, also when I used ubuntu before, I didn't have this problem
2023-10-26 11:49:37	zero11	when I use arch, the clock always gets messed up
2023-10-26 11:50:19	mkoskar	zero11: post output of `timedatectl`
2023-10-26 11:50:20	SCHAPiE	Maybe configure NTP zero11 ?
2023-10-26 11:52:29	plitter	I got this from chromium when I added logging https://termbin.com/3jie
2023-10-26 11:57:39	mkoskar	plitter: do you have xdg-desktop-portal installed?
2023-10-26 11:57:47	plitter	mkoskar: yes
2023-10-26 12:01:22	plitter	mkoskar: but I think there is something weird going on there...
2023-10-26 12:04:42	mkoskar	not entirely sure how it is supposed to work, what is the dbus service name it is trying to talk to?
2023-10-26 12:33:45	plitter	mkoskar: not sure how to figure that out...
2023-10-26 12:40:08	mkoskar	plitter: hmm, if you run `busctl tree`, search for "/org/freedesktop/portal/desktop"
2023-10-26 12:43:34	plitter	mkoskar: weird? I have a lot of freedesktop lines, but not one  with portal? https://termbin.com/vbkv <- this is the output from pacman -Qi xdg-desktop-portal...
2023-10-26 12:50:03	Ashark	Sometimes for aur we repackage the deb packages. But what do we do if the pacman package is available? Do we need to unpack and repack it?
2023-10-26 12:50:07	mkoskar	plitter: ah you have to use `busctl --user tree` since it's session bus, ok figured it's likely org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop
2023-10-26 12:51:02	plitter	mkoskar: yeah, has /org/freedesktop/portal/desktop
2023-10-26 12:53:39	mkoskar	plitter: right, well then you can use introspect on it, and ye I don't have ScreenCast on it ... so ye lol we've confirmed that the error message is correct ... now what to do about it hmm
2023-10-26 12:54:31	mkoskar	fwiw I ran this $ gdbus introspect -r --session -o / -d org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop | grep org.freedesktop.portal
2023-10-26 12:54:50	mkoskar	gdbus output is a bit nicer that busctl
2023-10-26 12:54:55	mkoskar	*than
2023-10-26 12:57:02	plitter	I guess asking freedesktop to add ScreenCast? :P
2023-10-26 12:59:28	mkoskar	plitter: ye anyway, idk whether it's even related to your issue, I mean you said screenshare worked before
2023-10-26 13:00:25	mkoskar	I would prob try to figure out what changed in between, installed new chromium etc
2023-10-26 13:00:26	plitter	mkoskar: true... also pacman -Ql | grep ScreenCast has a xml file...
2023-10-26 13:00:43	plitter	mkoskar: ran an update today.
2023-10-26 13:05:14	mkoskar	then see what upgraded
2023-10-26 13:08:18	plitter	mkoskar: the issue started before today, I just took time to look at it today....
2023-10-26 13:09:23	mkoskar	plitter: test it here https://screen-sharing-controls.glitch.me/ it seems to work for me
2023-10-26 13:09:26	phrik	Title: Screen sharing controls (at screen-sharing-controls.glitch.me)
2023-10-26 13:15:53	plitter	mkoskar: this is the one I've been using. https://mozilla.github.io/webrtc-landing/gum_test.html, but your thing still doesn't work for me. I'm allowed to try to choose entire screen. But when I do, it just pops back to chromium tab...
2023-10-26 13:22:39	mkoskar	plitter: https://mkoskar.com/p/eYWZ.webm hmm btw wrt that error message before, you have logging with `--enable-logging=stderr --v=1` because I tried that and I don't see that error message which is weird because I also don't have that ScreenCast interface on that dbus service
2023-10-26 13:23:44	mkoskar	also I assumed you tried in firefox?
2023-10-26 13:28:45	plitter	mkoskar: I did try firefox where it seemed to work, but no output on the site. I get to your 2 sec, and when I try the Window and the Entire Screen it just goes back to the Chromium tab...
2023-10-26 13:47:59	jl2	Hi, I was trying to manage multiple sessions via greetd with it's socket.I don't know if I'm doing it correctly.
2023-10-26 13:49:16	jl2	 If i run "echo create_session alessio | sudo tee $GREETD_SOCK" i get "tee: /run/greetd-729.sock: No such device or address"
2023-10-26 13:50:13	n0th3l	hello, when will the package shadow be updated with the yescript flag?
2023-10-26 13:51:19	jl2	or is the idea to run "greetd create_session alessio"?
2023-10-26 13:52:31	Namarrgon	n0th3l: you mean the changes that are mentioned in the news?
2023-10-26 13:53:09	n0th3l	i mean, the chpasswd with latest package (which is marked as outdated) is just unusable since from what i could read, the package is missing a compilation flag regarding yescript
2023-10-26 13:53:31	n0th3l	as is, yescript is the default algorithm, but the binary does not support it 
2023-10-26 13:56:35	@jelle	n0th3l: how dod you come to that conclusion
2023-10-26 13:58:28	n0th3l	there's a forum post regarding that issue, the package is marked as outdated since 11 october, and I cannot use chpasswd to change root password on 2 different devices
2023-10-26 13:58:48	n0th3l	1 being in the middle of a fresh install
2023-10-26 13:58:58	@jelle	marked as out of date is unrelated..
2023-10-26 13:59:41	Namarrgon	"chpasswd: unsupported crypt method: YESCRYPT"
2023-10-26 14:00:21	Namarrgon	it's not listed for -c but is for -s in the -h text
2023-10-26 14:00:42	n0th3l	the package binary is still missing the yescript flag and chpasswd is unusable
2023-10-26 14:01:08	⚡ 	jelle sighs
2023-10-26 14:02:07	n0th3l	so my question is when does those nice maintainers gonna fix the build so that native shadow package works with YESCRIPT?
2023-10-26 14:02:28	@jelle	n0th3l: when you start being less passive aggressive :)
2023-10-26 14:02:43	@jelle	there isn't even a bug report about this
2023-10-26 14:02:48	Namarrgon	is there a bugreport?
2023-10-26 14:02:59	n0th3l	if you think it's passive aggressiveness then you are completly wrong, its a simple question :)
2023-10-26 14:03:19	Namarrgon	it does come off rather demanding
2023-10-26 14:03:28	n0th3l	there's a forum post addressing that issue /shrug
2023-10-26 14:03:39	Namarrgon	the maintainer might not read the forums
2023-10-26 14:03:45	n0th3l	it's demanding cauz i'm not the one with the keys that can fix that issue
2023-10-26 14:04:08	n0th3l	but just askin for ETA, nothing more /shrug
2023-10-26 14:04:31	Namarrgon	there's no ETA
2023-10-26 14:04:35	@jelle	n0th3l: the maintainer is likely unaware
2023-10-26 14:04:57	n0th3l	and where do I have to go to make the maintainer aware of the issue?
2023-10-26 14:05:05	Namarrgon	the bugtracker
2023-10-26 14:05:44	@jelle	n0th3l: what if you don't provide the flag
2023-10-26 14:06:17	n0th3l	it's a base install with the base package from the repo, nothing on my hand at this point if it does not work out of box
2023-10-26 14:06:40	@jelle	because
2023-10-26 14:06:42	@jelle	/etc/login.defs:ENCRYPT_METHOD YESCRYPT
2023-10-26 14:06:47	Namarrgon	it will fall back to YESCRYPT and fail 
2023-10-26 14:07:03	n0th3l	cauz shadow/chpasswd isn't build with YESCRYPT flag
2023-10-26 14:07:21	n0th3l	it's nice to make it default, but useless if it breaks everything
2023-10-26 14:07:38	@jelle	Namarrgon: oh reproduced it :)
2023-10-26 14:07:39	Namarrgon	it does not break everything, it breaks chpasswd
2023-10-26 14:08:07	n0th3l	try to make a fresh install without chpasswd as one step is to literally change the root password /shrug
2023-10-26 14:08:24	@jelle	n0th3l: chill
2023-10-26 14:08:26	n0th3l	but yes, "everything" is overexageration
2023-10-26 14:08:50	Namarrgon	chpasswd may break your workflow but not everyone uses it to change passwords
2023-10-26 14:09:05	Namarrgon	file a bugreport
2023-10-26 14:09:15	n0th3l	everyone that need to install archlinux using the installation guide will have to chpasswd root password
2023-10-26 14:09:19	@jelle	n0th3l: I'm willing to bug the maintainer for you, but the way you act here isn't helping me consider it
2023-10-26 14:09:39	Namarrgon	i don't see chpasswd mentioned in the IG
2023-10-26 14:11:22	@jelle	n0th3l: and passwd :)
2023-10-26 14:11:33	@jelle	which is also shadow so hmm
2023-10-26 14:13:23	@jelle	anyway, maintainer is informed so you can calm down now ;-)
2023-10-26 14:13:37	madlad	Having done a very recent Arch install (yesterday) with the latest iso, passwd works just fine.
2023-10-26 14:14:27	n0th3l	thx 
2023-10-26 14:14:40	madlad	It's less friendly to automate, but it is the command specified in the install guide, and I would certainly say that it's the command most would be using anyway.
2023-10-26 14:19:50	pingu0b	yo peeps
2023-10-26 14:19:53	pingu0b	how ya doin
2023-10-26 14:23:38	Namarrgon	hi, how may we confuse you?
2023-10-26 15:38:09	bjourne	anyone good with OpenCL who can tell me why the Intel NEO runtime is not detected?
2023-10-26 15:39:32	bswartz	You are not "The One"
2023-10-26 15:51:18	mingdao	Neither am I.
2023-10-26 15:54:29	bjourne	fine as long as I have the One api
2023-10-26 17:02:23	Moody	Hi, i get following at "pacman -Syu":
2023-10-26 17:02:27	Moody	error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
2023-10-26 17:02:27	Moody	:: installing kparts5 (5.111.0-1) breaks dependency 'kparts' required by kdewebkit
2023-10-26 17:03:04	Moody	and some other pkgs.
2023-10-26 17:03:26	Moody	Whats the correct way to fix that?
2023-10-26 17:04:14	Edu4rdSHL	Looks like an issue with AUR packages that haven't updated its dependencies to match the new kde-renamed packages
2023-10-26 17:04:56	Moody	that maybe, how can i find out which one(s) ?
2023-10-26 17:05:07	Edu4rdSHL	The ones that fails?
2023-10-26 17:05:51	rodolfo	Moody: "pacman -Qi kparts" could be a start
2023-10-26 17:08:18	Edu4rdSHL	The problem is kdewebkit
2023-10-26 17:09:52	Moody	should i try to rmv it?
2023-10-26 17:14:20	Edu4rdSHL	That's an option. The other is telling the maintainer to update the dependencies, and you can also edit locally the PKGBUILD and then build it against the new packages
2023-10-26 17:15:05	Moody	or postpone the -Syu for a few days?
2023-10-26 17:15:48	Moody	(hoping the deps got updated than)
2023-10-26 17:16:02	Namarrgon	waiting won't help you
2023-10-26 17:16:58	Namarrgon	pacman -Qm and remove what you don't need, then -Syu again
2023-10-26 17:18:59	Moody	i hope it does not come down to remove VirtualBox6 (installed as AUR) - i currently cannot upgrade to VB7
2023-10-26 17:20:14	⚡ 	Moody would spend some cookies if VB6 could make its way from aur to core 
2023-10-26 17:20:38	Namarrgon	yeah, i wouldn't wait for that
2023-10-26 17:20:59	Namarrgon	vb doesn't use any kde bits as far as i can see in the dependencies
2023-10-26 17:21:25	Moody	well, thats true, just qt.
2023-10-26 17:22:16	furrykef	Always fun when you realize you've unwittingly uninstalled the startx command and you need to find out how to reinstall it.
2023-10-26 17:22:22	furrykef	(Don't worry, I figured it out.)
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2023-11-04 13:51:22	thingfish	nvidia install fails due to unsolvable dependencies.  It says that nvidia-utils-535.113.01 is required by package nvidia.  The Arch website says that the current nvidia-utils is 545.29.02-2.
2023-11-04 13:51:57	Scimmia	thingfish: already fixed, wait for your mirror to catch up
2023-11-04 13:52:05	thingfish	oh okay thanks Scimmia
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2023-11-04 13:56:27	thingfish	it's just odd that the Arch website says that matching versions are available, yet nvidia still thinks it needs 535.113.01.
2023-11-04 13:57:01	Gagis	takes a while for all local mirrors to catch up
2023-11-04 13:57:57	Scimmia	thingfish: see the miror status page
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2023-11-04 14:22:13	linux_dream	hi people. i have a problem with a package
2023-11-04 14:22:28	linux_dream	installed paraview (in extra repo). running it yields: /opt/paraview/bin/paraview: symbol lookup error: /opt/paraview/lib/libvtkfides.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN6adios25ADIOSC1Eb
2023-11-04 14:22:45	linux_dream	won't start up. google returns 0 message about it
2023-11-04 14:22:53	linux_dream	i need to use paraview....
2023-11-04 14:23:42	thechitowncubs	im installing to test it out, one sec
2023-11-04 14:23:44	Namarrgon	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/80159
2023-11-04 14:23:45	phrik	Title: FS#80159 : [paraview] PLEASE ENTER SUMMARY (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-11-04 14:23:50	linux_dream	oh wait i see https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/74317
2023-11-04 14:23:52	phrik	Title: FS#74317 : [paraview] Rebuild against adios 2.8.0 (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2023-11-04 14:24:18	thechitowncubs	It installs and launches for me
2023-11-04 14:24:29	linux_dream	oh wow
2023-11-04 14:24:45	linux_dream	well thx for the info. no idea what;s going on
2023-11-04 14:25:35	Scimmia	thechitowncubs: pacman -Q adios?
2023-11-04 14:25:48	Scimmia	er, adios2
2023-11-04 14:26:07	linux_dream	adios2 2.9.2-1
2023-11-04 14:26:14	thechitowncubs	adios2 2.8.3-5
2023-11-04 14:26:26	Scimmia	thechitowncubs: so it works for you because you're not up to date
2023-11-04 14:26:27	linux_dream	that's it. youl're not up to date, you don't have the bug
2023-11-04 14:26:40	Namarrgon	thechitowncubs: is this still manjaro?
2023-11-04 14:26:43	thechitowncubs	ok thank you
2023-11-04 14:26:50	linux_dream	it means i can downgrade paraview to get it to work
2023-11-04 14:26:56	thechitowncubs	yes, try that version
2023-11-04 14:27:08	Scimmia	yes, that should work. Seems adios broke their abi
2023-11-04 14:28:30	linux_dream	damn i get conflicts with vtk and paraview
2023-11-04 14:28:42	linux_dream	i'll wait until they fix paraview
2023-11-04 14:28:52	Scimmia	you'll want 2.8.3-6, not pkgrel 5, though, thechitowncubs is really out of date
2023-11-04 14:29:15	linux_dream	wait, you mean i should downgrade adios2 instead of paraview?
2023-11-04 14:29:19	Scimmia	yes
2023-11-04 14:29:21	linux_dream	oh
2023-11-04 14:30:04	linux_dream	nice. works great. thx a lot guys
2023-11-04 14:30:17	thechitowncubs	have a good day!
2023-11-04 14:47:02	rahl	rcf: ack, thanks
2023-11-04 14:48:59	rahl	Presumably we then follow the same process one might for building AUR packages - dl PKGBUILD, mkchrootpkg, pacman -U ...
2023-11-04 14:49:28	rahl	For some reason my brain had filed the process away as being AUR specific.
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2023-11-05 13:57:30	mingdao	How do you know if you need compilation and runtime of Java or just runtime?
2023-11-05 13:57:57	bookworm	are you developing software in java?
2023-11-05 13:58:03	bookworm	if that's a no, use jre
2023-11-05 13:59:16	mingdao	No, I am not; however, `pacman -R jre-openjdk` lists 4 dependencies.
2023-11-05 13:59:39	mingdao	bookworm: It's about :: jre-openjdk and jre-openjdk-headless are in conflict
2023-11-05 13:59:47	mingdao	https://archlinux.org/news/incoming-changes-in-jdk-jre-21-packages-may-require-manual-intervention/
2023-11-05 13:59:49	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Incoming changes in JDK / JRE 21 packages may require manual intervention (at archlinux.org)
2023-11-05 13:59:53	bookworm	yes, you want jre then though, not jdk
2023-11-05 14:00:11	mingdao	They both have jdk in the package name.
2023-11-05 14:00:16	mingdao	jre-openjdk jre-openjdk-headless
2023-11-05 14:00:26	mingdao	And jre.
2023-11-05 14:01:01	mingdao	The choice is JRE and JRE-headless, and I think I need the former for 4 other pkgs.
2023-11-05 14:01:16	bookworm	then pick the non headless variant
2023-11-05 14:02:03	bookworm	assuming you do want to have the graphical stuff
2023-11-05 14:02:09	bookworm	would be pretty useless otherwise
2023-11-05 14:02:32	mingdao	right; tks
2023-11-05 14:05:22	mingdao	For me I had to -R them both, then -Syu jre-openjdk, which now rebuilds 19 packages, including jre17-openjdk and jre17-openjdk-headless.
2023-11-05 14:06:02	mingdao	It did give me jre-openjdk-21.u35-7-x86_64
2023-11-05 14:06:38	mingdao	Which is a new pkg.
2023-11-05 14:20:47	linux_dream	how do you fix the java update problem?  pacman -Syu jdk-openjdk  doesn't work
2023-11-05 14:24:08	linux_dream	i removed the 2 turds  jdk-openjdk and the jre equivalent
2023-11-05 14:24:14	linux_dream	worked
2023-11-05 14:35:04	linuxkarl	whats up folks how is everyone?
2023-11-05 14:39:03	ec0n	https://0x0.st/Htae.jpeg
2023-11-05 14:47:28	madlad	Heh. Wait until they find out what a kernel does.
2023-11-05 14:55:34	mingdao	linux_dream: I stated above what I did.
2023-11-05 14:55:52	mingdao	OIC you weren't in the channel then.
2023-11-05 14:56:13	linux_dream	no problem mingdao
2023-11-05 14:56:18	mingdao	For me I had to -R them both, then -Syu jre-openjdk, which now rebuilds 19 packages, including jre17-openjdk and jre17-openjdk-headless. It did give me jre-openjdk-21.u35-7-x86_64, which was a new pkg for me.
2023-11-05 14:56:25	linux_dream	i removed those 2 turds and my system hasn't crashed, yet
2023-11-05 14:56:52	linux_dream	i forgot whey they were installed, and this didn't uninstall anything else so i guess it's totally fine
2023-11-05 14:56:58	linux_dream	i never programmed in java myself
2023-11-05 14:57:15	mingdao	linux_dream: Run `pacman -R jre-openjdk ; pacman -R jre-openjdk-headless` and see if one has deps.
2023-11-05 14:57:33	linux_dream	but man does this arch news description sucks.  it gives commands that don't work.  useless.  i shouldn't have read it
2023-11-05 14:57:42	linux_dream	I did pacman -Rns
2023-11-05 14:57:45	linux_dream	no dep
2023-11-05 14:57:49	mingdao	`pacman -R jre-openjdk` listed 4 dependencies for me.
2023-11-05 14:57:58	MrElendig	the commands do work
2023-11-05 14:58:11	mingdao	linux_dream: I read the news and then read it again, and it was fine for me.
2023-11-05 14:58:31	linux_dream	just (1/2) removing jre-openjdk     ######] 100%(2/2) removing jre-openjdk-headless
2023-11-05 14:58:36	linux_dream	that's all
2023-11-05 14:58:50	linux_dream	not for me MrElendig
2023-11-05 14:58:58	MrElendig	linux_dream: you didn't read the second option
2023-11-05 14:59:31	linux_dream	i did but i didnt want to keep the jre package
2023-11-05 14:59:32	mingdao	Or not very well.  And I would be careful using `-s, --recursive` with pacman.
2023-11-05 14:59:49	linux_dream	it was stated i had a choice
2023-11-05 14:59:50	MrElendig	linux_dream: then uninstalling both jre and the headless would work
2023-11-05 14:59:56	linux_dream	i picked the easiest choice
2023-11-05 15:00:08	linux_dream	yep
2023-11-05 15:00:33	[dlp]	I doubt very much that removing Java would "crash" your system. There's nothing critical to the running of a base system that would depend on it.
2023-11-05 15:00:40	linux_dream	the command in that page though? leads to error: unresolvable package conflicts detected,error: failed to prepare transaction (conflicting dependencies)
2023-11-05 15:00:52	MrElendig	pretty much nothing critical in any wm/de either
2023-11-05 15:00:53	linux_dream	the reason why i headed there in the 1st place
2023-11-05 15:00:53	mingdao	linux_dream: My deps https://0x0.st/HtaL.txt
2023-11-05 15:01:30	[dlp]	If you want to run Java applications, though, you need a JRE at least (sorry if I'm stating the obvious).
2023-11-05 15:01:42	mingdao	[dlp]: Thanks for making it plain.
2023-11-05 15:01:44	linux_dream	yeah there's 1 app i would like to keep
2023-11-05 15:01:58	mingdao	They'll see when that/those apps tell them.  :^)
2023-11-05 15:02:18	linux_dream	the app still works well though. i guess i should reboot
2023-11-05 15:02:36	[dlp]	The change is just that the plain JRE and JDK now conflict; that is, you're not allowed to install both. If you don't know the difference, the JRE will probably suffice for you.
2023-11-05 15:03:02	[dlp]	The JRE/JDK both contain the JRE, but the JDK additionally included development tools (such as the Java compiler).
2023-11-05 15:03:50	[dlp]	So you'll need a JDK if 1) You're a Java developer, or 2) If you need to build a Java application from source (e.g. from the AUR).
2023-11-05 15:04:30	linux_dream	the later i suppose but im not sure
2023-11-05 15:04:36	linux_dream	it's cgoban3
2023-11-05 15:05:20	[dlp]	Well are you building the app from source or just running it?
2023-11-05 15:05:26	mingdao	[dlp]: In reply to your 2) there, extra/libreoffice-fresh requires it for me and it not from AUR.
2023-11-05 15:05:43	mingdao	There are 4 in the output I posted.
2023-11-05 15:05:44	[dlp]	It depends on the JDK?!
2023-11-05 15:05:51	linux_dream	no idea
2023-11-05 15:06:03	linux_dream	it wasn't listed as a dep when i did the pacman -Rns
2023-11-05 15:06:15	mingdao	Leave off the ns
2023-11-05 15:06:31	linux_dream	i need space. 32 GB left
2023-11-05 15:06:35	linux_dream	hence the ns
2023-11-05 15:07:28	mingdao	I meant just to see the deps.  Well, that's where I saw mine.
2023-11-05 15:07:51	mingdao	Heck, you'll find out soon enough if you need it.  :^)
2023-11-05 15:08:36	MrElendig	its an optdep for lo iirc
2023-11-05 15:08:43	mingdao	32 G is huge :^)
2023-11-05 15:08:45	mingdao	/dev/mapper/rootvg-lvroot xfs        50G   37G   14G  73% /
2023-11-05 15:08:54	mingdao	MrElendig: extra/libreoffice-fresh
2023-11-05 15:09:31	MrElendig	mingdao: has an optional dep for java runtime
2023-11-05 15:09:49	mingdao	MrElendig: Yes, did I not make that clear?
2023-11-05 15:10:00	mingdao	linux_dream: paccache -d ; paccache -r
2023-11-05 15:10:08	mingdao	To get some space.
2023-11-05 15:10:17	mingdao	==> finished: 273 packages removed (disk space saved: 5.8 GiB)
2023-11-05 15:10:31	MrElendig	keyword being optional
2023-11-05 15:10:41	[dlp]	Then it doesn't require the JDK - just the JRE.
2023-11-05 15:10:46	[dlp]	And it's optional.
2023-11-05 15:10:54	linux_dream	i have a pacman script that does this mingdao automatically after each update
2023-11-05 15:11:06	linux_dream	or something like that
2023-11-05 15:11:12	mingdao	And iirc it's needful if you get docx from Winders folks with some ... what do you call them?  macros?
2023-11-05 15:11:31	linux_dream	apparently the script does" (3/4) Keep the last cache and the currently installed. Also clear the cache for unused packages.
2023-11-05 15:11:32	linux_dream	"
2023-11-05 15:11:52	madlad	You need the jdk if you're using certain optional extensions for libre office. You need the jre if you want java support at all. Neither are required.
2023-11-05 15:12:40	mingdao	madlad: What are those "optional extensions"?  It's been ages, but I think this came up with some Winders folks docx files ... cabinet drawings, iirc.
2023-11-05 15:13:06	madlad	extension-wiki-publisher and extension-nlpsolver
2023-11-05 15:13:25	mingdao	`pacman -Qi libreoffice-fresh` is enlightening
2023-11-05 15:13:34	madlad	According to the arch package metadata anyway.
2023-11-05 15:13:56	mingdao	java-runtime: adds java support [installed] ; not the one you mentioned
2023-11-05 15:14:16	mingdao	java-environment: required by extension-wiki-publisher and extension-nlpsolver
2023-11-05 15:15:08	madlad	java-runtime is listed as optional.
2023-11-05 15:15:34	mingdao	Both of those are listed as Optional Deps here.
2023-11-05 15:16:19	mingdao	https://0x0.st/HtaW.txt
2023-11-05 17:22:18	sunyibo	what's the easiest way to remote desktop onto a gnome on arch?
2023-11-05 17:22:54	MrElendig	rdp
2023-11-05 17:23:02	MrElendig	(gnome has built in support)
2023-11-05 17:24:19	MrElendig	alternatively you can use vnc
2023-11-05 17:24:25	sunyibo	but I need aur for that. I don't have an aur helper on the machine
2023-11-05 17:24:31	sunyibo	thanks, btw
2023-11-05 17:24:43	MrElendig	settings -> sharing -> remote desktop or something
2023-11-05 17:24:55	MrElendig	why do you think you need aur?
2023-11-05 17:25:09	MrElendig	also, you don't need an aur helper to use aur
2023-11-05 17:25:35	MrElendig	curl/git or a browser is all you need
2023-11-05 17:26:14	sunyibo	yup, but xrdp is only in aur
2023-11-05 17:26:27	MrElendig	who said anything about xrdp?
2023-11-05 17:27:01	MrElendig	gnome uses freerdp as the backend, which is in extra
2023-11-05 17:27:43	sunyibo	thanks
2023-11-05 17:28:16	sunyibo	I was following this https://cloudzy.com/blog/gnome-remote-desktop/#Step_1_Enabling_the_RDP_Feature
2023-11-05 17:29:12	MrElendig	looks like ai generated crap
2023-11-05 17:30:01	Menzador	“But you can install any RDP client that you prefer.”
2023-11-05 17:30:01	MrElendig	or similar quality copy/pasted 20 times since 2006 guide
2023-11-05 17:30:19	⚡ 	MrElendig suggests reading the official docs instead
2023-11-05 17:30:39	⚡ 	Menzador agrees since there are actually docs for this
2023-11-05 17:31:16	sunyibo	sunyibo and where are they to be found?
2023-11-05 17:32:43	MrElendig	sunyibo: tl;dr never click on "featured snipplets" in google search results,
2023-11-05 17:32:45	Menzador	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications/Internet#Remote_desktop
2023-11-05 17:32:46	phrik	Title: List of applications/Internet - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-11-05 17:32:48	MrElendig	https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Mutter/RemoteDesktop
2023-11-05 17:32:49	phrik	Title: Projects/Mutter/RemoteDesktop - GNOME Wiki! (at wiki.gnome.org)
2023-11-05 17:33:01	Menzador	Or that too for GNOME specifically
2023-11-05 17:34:16	sunyibo	thanks. Do I have to do something about ports, as I'm connecting through wireguard?
2023-11-05 17:34:42	MrElendig	depends on if you have a firewall or not
2023-11-05 17:34:48	MrElendig	also depends on your routing
2023-11-05 17:38:24	sunyibo	I don't think I have a firewall. I can ssh into it, but not with remmina.
2023-11-05 17:38:50	sunyibo	I need access to a browser in order to modify the heating in a vacation home.
2023-11-05 17:39:31	sunyibo	the heater doesn't seem to speak ssh
2023-11-05 17:42:47	MrElendig	you could write a small broker to fix that
2023-11-05 17:43:19	MrElendig	or just use your wireguard tunnel
2023-11-05 17:43:40	MrElendig	no rdp needed if that heating system presents a web page
2023-11-05 17:43:52	sunyibo	it does
2023-11-05 17:44:11	MrElendig	just access that directly over wireguard
2023-11-05 17:44:21	sunyibo	how do I do that?
2023-11-05 17:44:34	sunyibo	so far I only use wireguard to ssh into a machine
2023-11-05 17:44:48	MrElendig	that is overkill vs just ssh in directly
2023-11-05 17:45:08	MrElendig	anyway just use the machine as a gateway to the remote lan
2023-11-05 17:45:20	MrElendig	lots of guides for how to do it
2023-11-05 17:46:56	MrElendig	e.g. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/WireGuard#Site-to-point
2023-11-05 17:46:58	phrik	Title: WireGuard - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-11-05 17:47:06	MrElendig	er.. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/WireGuard#Point-to-site
2023-11-05 17:47:08	phrik	Title: WireGuard - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-11-05 17:49:59	MrElendig	if you own the network at both ends then you could also do site to site
2023-11-05 18:01:06	cydox	sunyibo: You could also use ssh tunneling
2023-11-05 18:13:51	MrElendig	one sidenote: no deaths from murder in 2020-22 in the 0-19 age group
2023-11-05 18:15:32	MrElendig	https://imgur.com/fcupB63.png
2023-11-05 18:15:54	MrElendig	* 2011 entered the chat
2023-11-05 18:16:28	MrElendig	bha wrong channel
2023-11-05 18:18:01	powftw	can someone suggest what can i do here: https://bpa.st/ZITA
2023-11-05 18:18:02	phrik	Title: View paste ZITA (at bpa.st)
2023-11-05 18:18:13	powftw	basically, i cannot upgrdade
2023-11-05 18:18:32	MrElendig	!rtfn
2023-11-05 18:18:33	phrik	Read The Fine News! https://www.archlinux.org/news/ subscribe to https://mailman.archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-announce to be emailed with new articles
2023-11-05 18:19:19	MrElendig	for the aur packages, uninstall them, update, and then update/rebuild the aur packages
2023-11-05 18:20:31	powftw	so, s/jre/jdk ?
2023-11-05 18:21:46	MrElendig	if you want to build java stuff then you need jdk
2023-11-05 18:22:36	powftw	i dont, as you saw the text, few apps i use want them, i dont do Java
2023-11-05 18:23:11	powftw	:: removing jre-openjdk breaks dependency 'java-runtime>=17' required by dbeaver
2023-11-05 18:23:34	powftw	i'll keep jre-openjdk then
2023-11-05 18:24:42	heat	in my case I did sudo pacman -S jdk-openjdk and it worked
2023-11-05 18:24:45	MrElendig	you can temporary uninstall the two packages and then replace jre-openjdk and jre-openjdk-headless with jre-openjdk
2023-11-05 18:24:46	heat	it's a partial upgrade though
2023-11-05 18:25:31	heat	oh, you have a jre vs jdk conflict
2023-11-05 18:25:38	heat	sorry, jre vs -headless
2023-11-05 18:26:04	heat	sudo pacman -S jre-openjdk ?
2023-11-05 18:26:08	MrElendig	kinda both due to provides
2023-11-05 18:26:15	powftw	I want jre-openjdk in few apps. Since the news/announce says to keep either jre-openjdk or headless or jre.
2023-11-05 18:26:21	MrElendig	-Syu jre-openjdk might work
2023-11-05 18:26:23	powftw	but i cannot remove both https://bpa.st/7CUQ
2023-11-05 18:26:24	phrik	Title: View paste 7CUQ (at bpa.st)
2023-11-05 18:26:26	MrElendig	and say yes to the replace
2023-11-05 18:26:50	heat	If you have both JRE and JRE-headless you will need to choose one of them and install it manually since they would conflict each other now.
2023-11-05 18:26:57	heat	so -S jre-openjdk
2023-11-05 18:27:25	MrElendig	otherwise just uninstall dbeaver ipscan, update and then reinstall them
2023-11-05 18:27:31	powftw	https://bpa.st/R7JQ
2023-11-05 18:27:33	phrik	Title: View paste R7JQ (at bpa.st)
2023-11-05 18:27:42	heat	Syu wont work
2023-11-05 18:27:46	powftw	MrElendig: i cant afford to uninstall dbeaver
2023-11-05 18:27:48	heat	the instructions are borked FWIW
2023-11-05 18:27:51	MrElendig	assuming ipscan is prebuilt, if not you will need jdk
2023-11-05 18:27:57	MrElendig	powftw: sure you can for 30 sec
2023-11-05 18:27:59	powftw	i will remove ipscan tho
2023-11-05 18:28:11	powftw	MrElendig: I need to backup the conn details
2023-11-05 18:28:23	heat	have you tried just -S jre-openjdk?
2023-11-05 18:28:25	MrElendig	configs shouldn't be deleted
2023-11-05 18:28:29	heat	i think it should work
2023-11-05 18:28:49	powftw	MrElendig: configs will be there?
2023-11-05 18:30:18	MrElendig	they should be, see pacman's handling of config files
2023-11-05 18:30:30	MrElendig	but as always, if you actually care about your data, backups
2023-11-05 18:30:34	MrElendig	(plural)
2023-11-05 18:31:27	powftw	uninstalled both, now upgrading
2023-11-05 18:31:39	powftw	after upgrdade, i'll install dbeaver again
2023-11-05 18:32:09	MrElendig	and of course any runtime generated configs would not be tracked by pacman to begin with
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2023-11-05 20:09:47	Trel	If I symlink a binary in /usr/bin to another, and then install a package that provides the what I made as a symlink, does it overwrite mine?
2023-11-05 20:10:21	Namarrgon	you'll get an error during the file-conflict check
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2023-11-05 20:13:57	Trel	Something I can say yes to if needed or do I need to resolve it first?
2023-11-05 20:14:10	Namarrgon	you need to resolve it
2023-11-05 20:15:00	Trel	Ok, I'll keep that in mind. I forget what I did but it was probably vim -> vi
2023-11-05 20:15:15	Trel	graci
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2023-11-05 20:16:17	Namarrgon	you could just alias that, a loose symlink in /bin is probably not optimal
2023-11-05 20:16:17	MrElendig	use a shell alias instead, or just train your brain to call vim :)
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2023-11-05 20:19:29	astralc	if you know vim, but opened OG vi... it is weird
2023-11-05 20:19:58	astralc	mostly because some distros alias vi to (compat mode) vim
2023-11-05 20:23:31	MrElendig	vim in vi mode is also crippled, but not quit as badly
2023-11-05 20:23:36	MrElendig	at least you can do :help!
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2023-11-05 20:52:39	Trel	Namarrgon and astralc I just double checked what I did, it was view -> vim
2023-11-05 20:53:00	Trel	Because vim handles being called in that manner
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2023-11-05 21:01:03	Trel	Would an alias still trigger the special handling?
2023-11-05 21:01:14	Trel	(I didn't think so)
2023-11-05 21:09:31	astralc	no, because argv[0] still will be the same
2023-11-05 21:09:45	astralc	isn't it start it with some switch
2023-11-05 21:09:47	astralc	?
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2023-11-05 21:10:20	astralc	-R
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2023-11-05 21:22:32	post-factum	any luck with sorting out my removal request for https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/linux-pf-git ?
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2023-11-05 21:22:36	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - linux-pf-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2023-11-05 21:22:42	post-factum	 /cc gromit ^^ maybe
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2023-11-06 13:30:34	dsimic	true
2023-11-06 13:30:38	Namarrgon	it will just annoy the rest that can do nothing about it
2023-11-06 13:30:57	dsimic	the best approach would be to simply start packaging it
2023-11-06 13:31:13	mpbsd	\whois dsimic
2023-11-06 13:31:24	dsimic	scratch the itch, so to speak
2023-11-06 13:37:57	Namarrgon	https://repology.org/project/icecat/versions
2023-11-06 13:38:00	phrik	Title: icecat package versions - Repology (at repology.org)
2023-11-06 13:38:06	Namarrgon	it's not exactly widespread in other distros either
2023-11-06 13:39:37	MacGyver	There's a PKGBUILD, what's the problem?
2023-11-06 13:41:25	Namarrgon	build-time or -resources, i guess
2023-11-06 13:42:12	Namarrgon	a browser for the privileged
2023-11-06 13:42:20	Metroid	there's an AUR for it
2023-11-06 13:43:29	astralc	it even say it is in some repo in the aur comment
2023-11-06 13:48:01	Metroid	poor choice of words btw astralc 
2023-11-06 13:48:55	astralc	which words?
2023-11-06 13:49:15	NetSysFire	all of them, clearly
2023-11-06 13:54:17	NetSysFire	actual question: how feasible is it to compile a dkms module on the archiso and use it? its already packaged in the aur and quite simple with only git, xz and dkms as the deps. wifi driver, need i say more
2023-11-06 13:56:24	archetech	for kf6 I need to set this in arch   or find where it is set
2023-11-06 13:56:30	archetech	pathappend /usr/lib/qt5/qml        QML2_IMPORT_PATH
2023-11-06 13:56:39	archetech	for qt6
2023-11-06 13:56:39	Namarrgon	NetSysFire: as long as you can squeeze base-devel, or whatever you need, on the iso it works fine
2023-11-06 13:56:52	NetSysFire	oh right. base-devel.
2023-11-06 13:57:00	Metroid	What do you mean on the archiso? Like after you boot it ?
2023-11-06 13:57:08	NetSysFire	yeah
2023-11-06 13:57:24	NetSysFire	Namarrgon: the ramfs is 1 gb in size and i should be able to adjust it if it doesnt fit, right?
2023-11-06 13:57:30	⚡ 	NetSysFire is too lazy to build own archiso
2023-11-06 13:57:49	Namarrgon	yes, though, building most kernel modules doesn't need much ram
2023-11-06 13:57:58	Metroid	If it's needed for the system why not do it after arch-chroot? Unless I'm understanding wrong 
2023-11-06 14:16:48	MacGyver	I've never seen Android do that.
2023-11-06 14:17:04	MacGyver	That's something it does in the context of VPNs and tethering, though, iirc.
2023-11-06 14:17:35	MacGyver	But if there's no VPN in the mix, it should function as any ol' NAT device allowing traffic to anything in the network, not just the upstream gateway.
2023-11-06 14:19:16	NetSysFire	for the record: my phone gave 192.168.103.0/24 to me while said wifi is 192.168.0.0/24
2023-11-06 14:19:35	MacGyver	And it's being blocked?
2023-11-06 14:19:58	NetSysFire	i am trying
2023-11-06 14:20:58	NetSysFire	it appears so
2023-11-06 14:21:07	NetSysFire	no ping reply whatsoever
2023-11-06 14:21:17	MacGyver	Innnnnteresting.
2023-11-06 14:21:49	MacGyver	I wonder whether that's caused by the whole "Always pick the best route" functionality; will have to do some testing at home.
2023-11-06 14:21:54	NetSysFire	while the phone itself responds to icmp
2023-11-06 14:22:01	NetSysFire	on android or on here?
2023-11-06 14:22:05	MacGyver	Android.
2023-11-06 14:22:29	MacGyver	It does this thing where it'll connect both to WiFi *and* the cellular network and pick whatever is "best" at getting you to the internet.
2023-11-06 14:22:47	NetSysFire	cellular net is off
2023-11-06 14:22:48	MacGyver	And in order for that to work seamlessly it probably has to do some nasty rule-based routing trickery.
2023-11-06 14:23:29	MacGyver	Oh, I don't really care about ping, but presumably actually trying an SSH connection also doesn't work?
2023-11-06 14:23:38	MacGyver	(ICMP != TCP, after all)
2023-11-06 14:23:46	NetSysFire	nope
2023-11-06 14:23:51	NetSysFire	drops everything
2023-11-06 14:24:02	MacGyver	Well, something to look into at some point then. Nasty.
2023-11-06 14:24:10	another|	Do you have root on your router?
2023-11-06 14:24:24	NetSysFire	on the phone? its lineageos. i can enable root
2023-11-06 14:24:40	another|	No, on your actual wifi router
2023-11-06 14:24:59	NetSysFire	no but why would my wifi router care?
2023-11-06 14:25:07	MacGyver	NetSysFire: But this is absolutely going beyond the point where compiling the DKMS module on the archiso is indeed the path of least resistance.
2023-11-06 14:25:57	another|	well, I had a hacky workaround in mind but MacGyver is probably right
2023-11-06 14:26:02	mingdao	ryzenda: Two sources for IDs:  https://pci-ids.ucw.cz/ and http://www.linux-usb.org/usb-ids.html ; your manufacturer, Lenovo was there; but not the device.
2023-11-06 14:26:04	phrik	Title: The PCI ID Repository (at pci-ids.ucw.cz)
2023-11-06 14:26:51	NetSysFire	well, my original plan of ssh -L/-R on the phone stands
2023-11-06 14:27:42	MacGyver	True, but honestly I never liked the experience of Termux.
2023-11-06 14:27:55	MacGyver	Also Android networking is weird enough that I wouldn't be 100% certain it'll even work.
2023-11-06 14:28:07	MacGyver	So pick your poison :)
2023-11-06 14:28:49	NetSysFire	well first things first, resizing the tmpfs on the archiso
2023-11-06 14:29:16	NetSysFire	Namarrgon: i'll try the kernel parameter, but it appears that remounting is not as simple. theres cowspace, a tmpfs layered ontop an airootfs
2023-11-06 14:29:36	NetSysFire	oh hm wait i think its just the cowspace i need to modify but kernel parameter first and hope it just works
2023-11-06 14:36:22	NetSysFire	so how do i run makepkg on the archiso? logically only root is available here and makepkg hates that and su nobody wont work since that account is locked on the archiso. i could overwrite that but is there a better way?
2023-11-06 14:40:41	another|	Hmm.. Can you add static routes on the router m
2023-11-06 14:41:10	NetSysFire	dont think so
2023-11-06 14:41:42	another|	No access to web interface?
2023-11-06 14:42:49	NetSysFire	yes but this doesnt have it
2023-11-06 14:43:04	NetSysFire	its a vodafone isp thingy. i think you're german too and you will know what tha means about the quality of it
2023-11-06 14:44:10	another|	Never had Vodafone, always AVM HW
2023-11-06 14:55:59	Exa	Hello, when I click on current workspace on swaybar, it switches back to the previous workspace.  I doesn't do that on i3bar.  Do I miss a setting to have the same on i3bar or is it just not supported?  Thanks.
2023-11-06 14:56:00	NetSysFire	MacGyver: interestingly it appears to work in one direction only, namely from the laptop -> wifi but not the other side
2023-11-06 14:58:14	astralc	Exa: isn't there back_and_forth option?
2023-11-06 15:07:13	susi	Exa: https://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#workspace_auto_back_and_forth
2023-11-06 15:07:15	phrik	Title: i3: i3 User’s Guide (at i3wm.org)
2023-11-06 15:09:57	Exa	susi: this is for bindsym, not i3bar
2023-11-06 15:10:29	astralc	for mouse1 click in bar section?
2023-11-06 15:10:34	Exa	yes
2023-11-06 15:11:07	Exa	I have the thing working when pressing the key bind of current workspace, but I want that behavior on i3bar too
2023-11-06 15:11:51	Exa	I'm not sure if it has changed, because I have to switch to i3 sometimes (to have working share screen at work)
2023-11-06 15:12:03	Exa	I usually run sway where it works that way
2023-11-06 15:12:50	astralc	https://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#workspace_auto_back_and_forth
2023-11-06 15:12:51	phrik	Title: i3: i3 User’s Guide (at i3wm.org)
2023-11-06 15:13:49	susi	why would anyone ever mouse-click on those bar ws 'buttons' :o
2023-11-06 15:22:43	Khorne	why would you nmot
2023-11-06 15:28:05	grawity	it's literally a WM built after the most mouse-oriented Unix there was
2023-11-06 15:30:14	MacGyver	susi: I'm also always surprised the i3bar widgets actually do things.
2023-11-06 15:30:25	Earnestly	rip wmii
2023-11-06 15:31:04	MacGyver	FWIW, my i3bar behaves just like how Exa described.
2023-11-06 15:31:10	MacGyver	And I have auto_back_and_forth enabled.
2023-11-06 15:31:20	MacGyver	As in, how Exa described their desired behaviour.
2023-11-06 15:31:49	MacGyver	So I *think* this is just uniform.
2023-11-06 15:35:11	Exa	MacGyver: you got i3-wm 4.23-1 (the latest)?
2023-11-06 15:35:21	Exa	no idea why it wouldn't work for me
2023-11-06 15:35:52	MacGyver	Exa: No, I'm still on 4.22-4
2023-11-06 15:36:20	MacGyver	You're running plain i3bar, not some replacement?
2023-11-06 15:36:44	Exa	ok it's a bug in i3 fixed yesterday, not released
2023-11-06 15:36:49	Exa	https://github.com/i3/i3/issues/5744
2023-11-06 15:37:13	MacGyver	Heh.
2023-11-06 15:37:43	susi	yeah, I tried auto_back_and_forth in 4.23 and didn't do nuffin about this
2023-11-06 15:37:45	Exa	I'll have to move to git version until it is fixed
2023-11-06 15:38:18	MacGyver	Exa: Or downgrade to whatever commit 4.22-4 was built off.
2023-11-06 15:38:26	MacGyver	No need to run HEAD.
2023-11-06 15:40:36	Exa	MacGyver: seems to work too, was afraid the ABI version of a dependency would have changed
2023-11-06 15:41:09	MacGyver	Oh I didn't mean literally install the old built package, I meant take the PKGBUILD and build a particular release against the rest of your current system.
2023-11-06 15:41:15	MacGyver	Rather than build git's HEAD.
2023-11-06 15:41:27	MacGyver	Or uh, master, or main, or whatever their development branch is.
2023-11-06 15:41:42	MacGyver	But if the old package works without issue, good on you I guess :)
2023-11-06 15:42:26	Exa	oh I see, it's just easier to run my aur helper, but this could work too
2023-11-06 15:42:58	MacGyver	Nothing wrong with running the AUR helper, I'm just suggesting changing out which commit you're having it build.
2023-11-06 15:43:18	MacGyver	Otherwise you get all the currently new active bugs and half-built features.
2023-11-06 15:43:42	Exa	is there a command to easily download a pkgbuild (and other files) from a previous version of an arch package?
2023-11-06 15:44:07	Exa	I know how to access those files from git, but it's not a single command afaik
2023-11-06 15:45:13	MacGyver	Yeah that's more than one step.
2023-11-06 15:45:26	MacGyver	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_build_system
2023-11-06 15:45:28	phrik	Title: Arch build system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-11-06 15:48:13	Exa	MacGyver: oh I didn't know it used one repository per package, was that a modification with the gitlab transition?
2023-11-06 15:48:47	MacGyver	I'm not sure it's technically one repo per package, or making heavy use of subtrees, but yes.
2023-11-06 15:57:07	bf_	I have many segfaults with new gnome-shell package
2023-11-06 15:57:09	bf_	anybody else experiencing this?
2023-11-06 15:57:11	bf_	super unstable
2023-11-06 16:07:07	gromit	bf_: did you check what actually crashes? 
2023-11-06 16:07:20	bf_	Sorry I didnt read your answers due to gnome-shell segfault :-D
2023-11-06 16:07:22	bf_	my bug report, if anybody else is hit: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/7165
2023-11-06 16:07:25	bf_	gnome-shell built-in extensions are crashing it for me
2023-11-06 16:07:25	phrik	Title: Gnome-shell segfault due to built-in extensions (#7165) · Issues · GNOME / gnome-shell · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
2023-11-06 16:07:27	bf_	if I disable them it works
2023-11-06 16:07:45	bf_	random crashes, sometimes you can start chrome and it only segfaults when starting spotify, sometimes it segfaults when disabling a running, built-in gnome-shell extension, etc.
2023-11-06 16:07:50	bf_	various different segfaults
2023-11-06 16:08:12	bf_	gnome-shell 1:45.1-1 gnome-shell-extension-appindicator 1:57-1 gnome-shell-extensions 45.1-1
2023-11-06 16:08:48	gromit	bf_: just so you are aware: posting backtraces without debug symbols is not of much help, did you explicitly disable debuginfod? 
2023-11-06 16:08:58	bf_	no, I didnt do anything
2023-11-06 16:09:02	MacGyver	I'll take "one of these things is from the AUR" for €1000.
2023-11-06 16:09:12	bf_	but there is also journald message with gnome symbols
2023-11-06 16:09:27	bf_	gnome-shell[23098]: Object .Gjs_ui_search_ListSearchResults (0x67dd58eaa60), has been already disposed — impossible to access it. This might be caused by the object having been destroyed from C code using something such as destroy(), dispose(), or remove() vfuncs.
2023-11-06 16:09:58	bf_	MacGyver: only weird gnome-shell package I have is https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/
2023-11-06 16:09:59	MacGyver	bf_: Are you absolutely certain all gnome things are from the official repo's; have you checked that the mirror you synced from wasn't partially synced?
2023-11-06 16:10:00	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - gnome-shell-extension-appindicator 1:57-1 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2023-11-06 16:10:04	gromit	bf_:  https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/archlinux-keyring/-/wikis/workflows/add-a-new-packager-key
2023-11-06 16:10:05	phrik	Title: Add a new packager key · Wiki · Arch Linux / Arch Linux Keyring · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-11-06 16:10:24	gromit	bf_: whoops, wrong link in clipboard, meant to sent https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debuginfod
2023-11-06 16:10:25	phrik	Title: Debuginfod - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-11-06 16:11:35	bf_	thank you gromit I will do that
2023-11-06 16:11:40	bf_	MacGyver: could be chaotic aur?
2023-11-06 16:11:48	bf_	but it should not be used for gnome-shell, right .. right?
2023-11-06 16:12:25	MacGyver	Dunno; it's *your* system.
2023-11-06 16:12:35	MacGyver	Anything touching gnome from the AUR that you didn't rebuild might be causing this.
2023-11-06 16:12:47	bf_	I dont think there's anything from aur touching gnome
2023-11-06 16:12:52	MacGyver	If it's not that, maybe you have a legit bug on your hands, but do double-check.
2023-11-06 16:13:13	bf_	brb
2023-11-06 16:16:54	bf_	can you post the link to the gdb env variable again?
2023-11-06 16:17:06	bf_	I didnt manage to make proper trace
2023-11-06 16:17:19	bf_	sudo gdb -p $(pgrep -U $USER -x gnome-shell) -batch   -ex "set logging on" -ex continue   -ex "bt full" -ex "call (void) gjs_dumpstack()"   -ex quit
2023-11-06 16:19:14	gromit	bf_: is the trace listed with coredumpctl list? 
2023-11-06 16:19:31	gromit	bf_: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debuginfod
2023-11-06 16:19:32	phrik	Title: Debuginfod - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-11-06 16:19:34	bf_	thank you
2023-11-06 16:21:33	bf_	oh it should be sudo -E gdb ...
2023-11-06 16:22:00	gromit	bf_: please answer my question, is the trace listed when you check coredumpctl lis
2023-11-06 16:22:03	gromit	* list
2023-11-06 16:22:26	bf_	Mon 2023-11-06 16:14:17 CET   40184 1000 1000 SIGSEGV present  /usr/bin/gnome-shell                                             20.0M
2023-11-06 16:22:49	bf_	it is
2023-11-06 16:22:53	bf_	I have like 20 of them :-D
2023-11-06 16:23:00	bf_	ranging from 800K to 50MB
2023-11-06 16:23:20	gromit	bf_: yeah then you can just do a "coredumpctl gdb /usr/bin/gnome-shell" and it will start a gdb for the dump file
2023-11-06 16:24:09	bf_	ok perfect I see it
2023-11-06 16:24:17	bf_	but now I need to know what to do in gdb
2023-11-06 16:24:20	bf_	maybe just a bt full
2023-11-06 16:24:33	bf_	it's downloading a lot of symbols
2023-11-06 16:24:46	bf_	I feel very advanced
2023-11-06 16:25:05	susi	>gnome-shell >advanced
2023-11-06 16:25:06	susi	pikc one
2023-11-06 16:25:25	bf_	if gnome-shell would ship with sensible defaults I wouldn't need 20 extensions to make it usabel
2023-11-06 16:25:43	bf_	gromit: the "bt full" still doesnt show symbols
2023-11-06 16:25:52	jtritz	i had remapped my cap lock to be an escape character but after running updates that no longer works... of course i seem to have forgotten how i even did the remap, any help directing me to the solution much appreciated
2023-11-06 16:26:10	gromit	bf_: maybe there is some non-repo package in there? :p
2023-11-06 16:26:17	jtritz	looked quick in my vimrc file but don't see that's where it was remapped, and suspect it was a more global change
2023-11-06 16:26:24	gromit	bf_: because then there is no debug info availiable ofc
2023-11-06 16:26:47	bf_	that's what is there: https://paste.rs/ynRlF.txt
2023-11-06 16:26:50	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-11-06 16:27:16	bf_	the paste is truncated somehow
2023-11-06 16:27:19	gromit	bf_: I think your paste is missing some output
2023-11-06 16:27:21	gromit	bf_: yeah
2023-11-06 16:27:25	bf_	gromit: so how can I get the debug info?
2023-11-06 16:27:37	bf_	new gdb dump with the proper env varialbe?
2023-11-06 16:27:40	bf_	or new gnome-shell package?
2023-11-06 16:27:59	jtritz	looking in .bashrc and .bash_profile but not seeing immediatly where the remap occurred either
2023-11-06 16:28:16	gromit	bf_: nonono, wrong question .. You have to investigate if there is a reason why there is no debug info
2023-11-06 16:28:43	bf_	gromit: reason is that debuginfod env variable is set for my user but not for root, so I need to use sudo -E instead of just sudo to start gdb
2023-11-06 16:28:53	bf_	do you think this is  acorrect assumption?
2023-11-06 16:29:05	gromit	bf_: checking the output of pacman -Qm (external) and pacman -Sl <reponame> (i.e. chaotic-aur) would be a good start
2023-11-06 16:29:20	gromit	bf_: you dont need to run it as root I think
2023-11-06 16:29:33	bf_	gromit: gdb can be run without root? ok
2023-11-06 16:30:07	jtritz	this looks like it's the solution i had orignally used: setxkbmap -option caps:escape
2023-11-06 16:30:15	jtritz	it's in xinitrc
2023-11-06 16:30:41	bf_	gromit: hm, so pacman -Sl shows available packages or installed packages from certain source?
2023-11-06 16:31:20	gromit	bf_: but the env var is correclty set, it already downloaded some debug infos from debuginfod
2023-11-06 16:32:10	jtritz	if anyone can see how/why setxkbmap -option caps:escape in xinitrc stopped working after upgrading and how to resolve that it would be much appreciated 
2023-11-06 16:32:34	jtritz	(it's so hard to untrain the muscle memory to stop hitting cap lock for excape!)
2023-11-06 16:32:50	gromit	bf_: if you do a pacman -Sl core it shows you the list of packages that are availiable and an indicator for which you have installed from core
2023-11-06 16:33:20	bf_	it crashed again while right clicking on a terminal
2023-11-06 16:33:22	bf_	so basically pacman -Sl chaotic-aur shows many packages
2023-11-06 16:33:39	MacGyver	jtritz: Does it work if you do it on the command line?
2023-11-06 16:33:50	gromit	bf_: yeah, but is there something from gnome there? 
2023-11-06 16:34:11	gromit	bf_: yeah, but is there something from gnome there which is marked as [installed]
2023-11-06 16:34:27	gromit	bf_: also consider just logging in from tty if your session crashes that often
2023-11-06 16:34:32	bf_	crashed again on chrome tab drag-n-drop
2023-11-06 16:34:42	jtritz	MacGyver: new bash window on cmd line still has cap lock key mapped to cap lock and not esc
2023-11-06 16:34:46	MacGyver	Honestly I think at this point you may just want to rebuild the entire installed AUR just on principle.
2023-11-06 16:35:02	MacGyver	On the off-chance that it's something *not* literally under the gnome umbrella.
2023-11-06 16:35:09	jtritz	should i try rebooting? haven't tried that yet
2023-11-06 16:35:11	MacGyver	jtritz: That's not what I asked.
2023-11-06 16:35:25	MacGyver	jtritz: If you run the command that does the remapping by hand, on the command line, what happens?
2023-11-06 16:35:25	jtritz	oh, i see
2023-11-06 16:35:30	jtritz	right
2023-11-06 16:36:02	jtritz	yes, it does work on the cmd line!
2023-11-06 16:36:09	bf_	the whole ctrl+alt+fX is even more screwed. one screen shows console but 2 others show gnome, then it crashes
2023-11-06 16:36:20	bf_	ok, so gromit I have gnome-icon-theme, gnome-icon-theme-symbolic from chaotic
2023-11-06 16:36:49	jtritz	guessing reboot will read in xinitrc anew and i'll be good to go?
2023-11-06 16:37:04	bf_	jtritz: it should
2023-11-06 16:38:10	bf_	pacman -Qm has adwaita-qt5 adwaita-qt5, qt4, nautilus-dropbox listed as only things which I would correlate to the gnome-shell 
2023-11-06 16:41:12	bf_	ok the gnome guy asks me to rebuild with symbols
2023-11-06 16:42:32	bf_	it seems I need to install gnome-shell from core-debug
2023-11-06 16:42:56	jelle	bf_: no, that's what you have DEBUGINFO
2023-11-06 16:43:32	bf_	but there is a gnome-shell-debug in extra-debug, can't I just install that?
2023-11-06 16:43:48	jelle	yes but
2023-11-06 16:43:59	jelle	you don't need just that
2023-11-06 16:44:26	bf_	sorry I'm a bit slow, but what else do I need?
2023-11-06 16:46:19	bf_	I have installed pacman -U https://geo.mirror.pkgbuild.com/extra-debug/os/x86_64/gnome-shell-debug-1%3A45.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst but I'm not sure if it really replaced gnome-shell package
2023-11-06 16:46:45	jelle	it won't
2023-11-06 16:46:55	jelle	it installs debug information additioanlly
2023-11-06 16:47:01	bf_	ah, that's good
2023-11-06 16:47:14	bf_	so the binary didnt even have to be recompiled, it's just downloading the stuff that is in debuginfod anyways?!
2023-11-06 16:47:14	jelle	but since it's 30 minutes already I strongly recommend reading :P
2023-11-06 16:48:46	bf_	what you mean? I have installed debuginfod and the env var is set. when I do coredumpctl gdb, press c and "bt full" it still doesnt show the symbols
2023-11-06 16:49:06	jelle	pacman -Q gnome-shell
2023-11-06 16:50:22	bf_	gnome-shell 1:45.1-1
2023-11-06 16:50:52	jelle	and it's from the arch repos, not some optimised v3 repo?
2023-11-06 16:51:37	bf_	my mirrorlist has many different servers from germany like jensgutermuth.de etc
2023-11-06 16:51:56	gromit	bf_: pls post pacman -Qi gnome-shell
2023-11-06 16:52:20	jelle	well or gnome-shell has no debug info :p
2023-11-06 16:52:27	bf_	https://paste.rs/89O60.txt
2023-11-06 16:52:27	⚡ 	jelle ponders
2023-11-06 16:52:29	phrik	Title: paste.rs - Rocket Powered Pastebin - Code (at paste.rs)
2023-11-06 16:53:02	gromit	jelle: it is listed in https://debuginfod.archlinux.org/packages
2023-11-06 16:53:06	chovy	https://www.sublimemerge.com/docs/linux_repositories#pacman --- these instructions don't work for me. i tried both dev and stable x86 and neither work
2023-11-06 16:53:08	phrik	Title: Linux Package Manager Repositories – Sublime Merge Documentation (at www.sublimemerge.com)
2023-11-06 16:53:23	jelle	chovy: great, what error do you get
2023-11-06 16:53:35	bf_	I replaced my mirrorlist only with Server = https://geo.mirror.pkgbuild.com/$repo/os/$arch and did pacman -Syyu and nothing was updated
2023-11-06 16:53:50	chovy	error: failed to prepare transaction (package architecture is not valid)
2023-11-06 16:53:51	chovy	:: package sublime-merge-2091-1-aarch64 does not have a valid architecture
2023-11-06 16:54:24	jelle	chovy: are you on arm?
2023-11-06 16:54:49	bf_	I crash again, brb
2023-11-06 17:10:41	user-0815	Hi, I am using portfolio from AUR. When I try to remove both jre17-openjdk and jre17-openjdk-headless, I get "removing jre17-openjdk breaks dependency 'java-runtime=17' required by portfolio". Is there any way I can fix this and still continue using portfolio? (I updated portfolio to the latest version 0.65.5-1, but this did not solve the problem.)
2023-11-06 17:11:19	MacGyver	Remove the AUR package, do whatever you're doing, rebuild & install AUR package.
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2023-11-06 17:18:25	chovy	jelle: i don't think so.
2023-11-06 17:21:20	MrElendig	chovy: uname -m
2023-11-06 17:22:00	Scimmia	chovy: then why did you add the aarch64 repo?
2023-11-06 17:22:54	chovy	i don't know how that got there. maybe when i did archinstall it chose wrong arch?
2023-11-06 17:23:29	chovy	x86_64
2023-11-06 17:23:59	Scimmia	this has nothing to do with archinstall, this has to do with your edits to pacman.conf
2023-11-06 17:24:01	MrElendig	archinstall doesn't add third party repos
2023-11-06 17:24:38	MrElendig	you probably only saw the "64" and added that
2023-11-06 17:25:01	MrElendig	used to debina calling stuff amd64 or similar
2023-11-06 17:25:08	MrElendig	debian and others*
2023-11-06 17:25:10	chovy	probably
2023-11-06 17:25:13	chovy	so i'm hosed?
2023-11-06 17:25:54	Scimmia	so fix your pacman.conf
2023-11-06 17:26:54	chovy	i removed everything it added
2023-11-06 17:27:11	Scimmia	'it'?
2023-11-06 17:27:21	chovy	https://www.sublimemerge.com/docs/linux_repositories#pacman
2023-11-06 17:27:23	phrik	Title: Linux Package Manager Repositories – Sublime Merge Documentation (at www.sublimemerge.com)
2023-11-06 17:27:25	chovy	the commands on this page
2023-11-06 17:27:51	chovy	i think they are broken. stable x86)64 still gives me aaarch
2023-11-06 17:29:04	Scimmia	use -Syyu to force it to download the correct database
2023-11-06 17:29:20	Metroid	there's also AUR's for sublime text
2023-11-06 17:29:31	chovy	Metroid: that failed too. i tried that first
2023-11-06 17:29:38	chovy	couldn't import the gpg key
2023-11-06 17:29:42	Metroid	what one ?
2023-11-06 17:29:47	Metroid	as in AUR name
2023-11-06 17:29:50	chovy	yay -S sublime-merge
2023-11-06 17:30:41	Metroid	indeed
2023-11-06 17:31:13	chovy	indeed what?
2023-11-06 17:31:39	Metroid	import key error
2023-11-06 17:32:58	susi	what's the last known good archiso?
2023-11-06 17:33:03	susi	that Just Works
2023-11-06 17:33:06	MrElendig	how to solve that is well documented on the wiki
2023-11-06 17:33:06	susi	on older stuff
2023-11-06 17:33:15	MrElendig	chovy: ^
2023-11-06 17:33:32	MrElendig	(re-)read the aur page
2023-11-06 17:34:06	Metroid	yay also offers the option to import the key, didnt notice it there
2023-11-06 17:34:35	Metroid	running fine here now
2023-11-06 17:38:28	llanhmock	I'm running i3wm, how would I know if there's an update? do I just run pacman -Syu everyday or...?
2023-11-06 17:39:06	Metroid	there's a handy tool called checkupdates that's part of the pacman-contrib package
2023-11-06 17:39:08	MacGyver	There's a `checkupdates` script you can use.
2023-11-06 17:39:22	llanhmock	okay
2023-11-06 17:39:23	MrElendig	llanhmock: while True: print("there are updates")
2023-11-06 17:39:41	MrElendig	about as useful
2023-11-06 17:42:31	luigibu	hi, quick question: i connect and sd card into my arch and i do lsblk and i see sda (disk) sda1 (partition) it just let me format the sda1 partition. is this correct? i need it to be fat32.. but i dont know if i should format the disk instead of the partition 
2023-11-06 17:42:56	bswartz	Just the partition
2023-11-06 17:43:10	luigibu	great! thanks!
2023-11-06 17:43:11	bswartz	There should be an sda2 with your rootfs, formatted ext4
2023-11-06 17:43:13	llanhmock	so, I see 'checkupdates-with-aur' and 'checkupdates-systemd-git' ... is this the package?
2023-11-06 17:43:26	⚡ 	llanhmock think I'll do without either but just checking.
2023-11-06 17:43:32	Metroid	llanhmock read again what i said
2023-11-06 17:43:32	MrElendig	llanhmock: no
2023-11-06 17:43:47	Namarrgon	pacman -Fy checkupdates
2023-11-06 17:43:57	llanhmock	oh...package-contrib package...
2023-11-06 17:44:06	llanhmock	ugh...pacman-contrib
2023-11-06 17:44:28	MrElendig	pacman -Fy checkupdates
2023-11-06 17:44:54	user-0815	MacGyver, I have removed portfolio, then uninstalled jre17-openjdk and jre17-openjdk-headless. The only jdk I have now installed is jdk-openjdk 21.u35-7.
2023-11-06 17:45:12	llanhmock	Metroid: MrElendig: thanks
2023-11-06 17:45:43	llanhmock	Metroid: I read it... but in my mind I'm thinking that the pacman-contrib is a repository. 
2023-11-06 17:45:56	user-0815	MacGyver: I now try to clean build and install portfolio again with yay, it wants to install jre17-openjdk and jre17-openjdk-headless again.
2023-11-06 17:46:48	user-0815	Am I doing something wrong? Or did the maintainer for the AUR package (portfolio) do something wrong?
2023-11-06 17:46:49	Namarrgon	was portfolio updates for the new dependencies?
2023-11-06 17:46:52	Namarrgon	*updated
2023-11-06 17:46:56	MacGyver	Probably not.
2023-11-06 17:46:58	llanhmock	Metroid: that's my <insert other distro> brain making an assumption off words conntected to such
2023-11-06 17:47:35	MacGyver	user-0815: It has a dependency on java-runtime. Does jdk-openjdk 21.u35-7 provide java-runtime?
2023-11-06 17:48:01	Metroid	all good
2023-11-06 17:48:10	MacGyver	Ah, the java-runtime it depends on is =17.
2023-11-06 17:48:33	MacGyver	You could try changing that to >=17.
2023-11-06 17:48:35	llanhmock	and with that whole java thing, woudln't it make more sense for one to just use sdkman?
2023-11-06 17:48:37	MacGyver	See if it compiles.
2023-11-06 17:50:42	Scimmia	user-0815: the java 17 packages didn't change, why are you doing any of this at all?
2023-11-06 17:51:27	Scimmia	user-0815: from the news: "At the moment this is only valid for the upcoming JDK 21 release."
2023-11-06 17:53:18	user-0815	Scimmia, because I was not able to update the system withount uninstalling java 17.
2023-11-06 17:53:38	user-0815	I know the news message says different, but that's how it is.
2023-11-06 17:53:51	Scimmia	and what was that error?
2023-11-06 17:54:02	Scimmia	pure xyproblem
2023-11-06 17:55:26	Scimmia	!give user-0815 xyproblem
2023-11-06 17:55:27	phrik	user-0815: Tell us what you're REALLY trying to do. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
2023-11-06 18:03:30	user-0815	Scimmia, I was really trying to do a system upgrade (nice -n 19 ionice -c3 pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && nice -n 19 ionice -c3 pacman -Su). That update is running now, but to make that work I needed to uninstall portfolio (AUR package) and the two jre17 packages. Otherwise I got error messages about jdk and jre conflicting.
2023-11-06 18:04:07	Scimmia	they only conflict with version 21, not with the jr*17 packages, so you went down the wrong road completely
2023-11-06 18:04:58	user-0815	That's what the official news says, but that is obviously not true.
2023-11-06 18:05:23	Scimmia	except that it is true
2023-11-06 18:06:07	Scimmia	but since you didn't ask for help with the actual problem, we don't have any error messages or anything to identify the actual problem
2023-11-06 18:06:46	Scimmia	but whatever, reinstall your AUR package and let it pull in what it wants, it won't be a problem
2023-11-06 18:06:48	user-0815	I can't copy and paste the exact error message any more because I uninstalled the packages and the update is running now :)
2023-11-06 18:07:19	user-0815	I will try to do that after the update - thanks for that advice
2023-11-06 18:08:02	Scimmia	and please, please read the link phrik gave you
2023-11-06 18:08:52	user-0815	I am currently reading it
2023-11-06 18:17:11	skeemer	hello everyone, i have firefox and brave installed and in both browsers it seems that i cannot view certain characters... i seee wrird stuff like this 妖怪世捨て人
2023-11-06 18:17:21	skeemer	am i missing some package ? 
2023-11-06 18:17:36	skeemer	for example this website contains such characters: https://reader.tymoon.eu/
2023-11-06 18:17:37	phrik	Title: 妖怪世捨て人 (at reader.tymoon.eu)
2023-11-06 18:18:03	Exa	skeemer: yes, you need to install cjk fonts, e.g. with noto-fonts-cjk
2023-11-06 18:18:17	Exa	(cjk stands for chinese japenese korean)
2023-11-06 18:18:27	skeemer	Exa: jaha ok ok
2023-11-06 18:18:35	skeemer	is this a big package ? 
2023-11-06 18:18:42	Exa	yes
2023-11-06 18:18:55	Exa	300MB
2023-11-06 18:19:02	skeemer	jaha, maybe i will skip it then
2023-11-06 18:19:23	skeemer	i guess i should install another package also in case of arab characters right ? 
2023-11-06 18:19:30	Exa	maybe someone got a lighter alternative, I don't know
2023-11-06 18:20:10	wunit	otf-ipafont would probably cover the japanese ones at least, for that site (27.26M here)
2023-11-06 18:20:15	Exa	skeemer: noto-fonts-cjk covers arabic too, if I'm not mistaking
2023-11-06 18:20:31	MacGyver	I'm not aware of a smaller package.
2023-11-06 18:20:33	skeemer	Exa: so basically covering all foreign fonts
2023-11-06 18:20:36	Exa	yes
2023-11-06 18:20:43	Exa	there is also noto-fonts-emoji
2023-11-06 18:20:48	MacGyver	And 300MiB isn't exactly that much on modern systems.
2023-11-06 18:21:16	wunit	also yeah, if you want to cover all the symbols, you need to install them, and they take some space, but 300MB is fair for being able to read stuff on your screen :-)
2023-11-06 18:21:16	skeemer	Exa: MacGyver i was more interested in understanding why but i am totally fine with question marks instead of ideograms :)
2023-11-06 18:21:17	grawity	afaik noto-fonts-cjk is just cjk, noto-fonts is the rest
2023-11-06 18:21:17	MacGyver	So if you do want to see what characters are, I'd highly recommend installing them.
2023-11-06 18:21:38	Earnestly	skeemer: And that's small for a cjk, noto goes to great lengths to compress how many discrete glyphs it needs to produce the full possible range
2023-11-06 18:21:38	grawity	ttf-hanazono, ttf-sazanami, or `cp` some .ttf's out of your nearby Windows iso
2023-11-06 18:21:40	skeemer	grawity: noto-fonts is like the package containing everything ? 
2023-11-06 18:22:05	skeemer	i mean asian+emoji
2023-11-06 18:22:15	grawity	no, that's the package containing everything *else*
2023-11-06 18:22:17	Exa	noto-fonts only covers a part
2023-11-06 18:22:22	grawity	that's not in -cjk or in -emoji
2023-11-06 18:23:00	Exa	noto-fonts is 100MB, -cjk 300MB and -emoji 10MB
2023-11-06 18:23:52	skeemer	Exa: grawity thanks a lot people
2023-11-06 18:24:00	skeemer	Exa: how can i get the size with pacman ?
2023-11-06 18:43:59	bswartz	Only think you need to reboot for is new kernel
2023-11-06 18:44:18	bswartz	Just restart the software that was using the updated library
2023-11-06 18:44:27	lmat	Okay, thank you!
2023-11-06 18:48:10	lmat	Where do GNU/Linux, intel Arc, archlinux, cs2 players hang out? ^_^
2023-11-06 18:50:20	Exa	lmat: that's just you
2023-11-06 18:51:46	lmat	drat. I guess I better get to debugging
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2023-11-06 19:09:03	jl2	Hi, i'm trying to install clipman (AUR) and I'm getting this go error:
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2023-11-06 19:09:14	jl2	go: github.com/alecthomas/template@v0.0.0-20190718012654-fb15b899a751: Get "https://proxy.golang.org/github.com/alecthomas/template/@v/v0.0.0-20190718012654-fb15b899a751.mod": dial tcp: lookup proxy.golang.org on [::1]:53: read udp [::1]:33453->[::1]:53: read: connection refused
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2023-11-06 19:10:04	jl2	I tried changing the goproxy: no success.
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2023-11-06 19:12:02	madprops	firefox kde file picker portal still not working :/
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2023-11-06 19:12:52	MrElendig	depending on what portal you have installed, you might have to drop a config in place
2023-11-06 19:12:59	MrElendig	also
2023-11-06 19:13:01	MrElendig	!errors
2023-11-06 19:13:02	phrik	Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2023-11-06 19:13:31	jl2	Am I the only one having this issue? else, I've already tried building as it says on it's github. same error
2023-11-06 19:13:37	madprops	the error is that clicking a  file upload button doesn't do anything if i have the portal enabled in about:config
2023-11-06 19:13:59	teraflops	jl2: worked for me
2023-11-06 19:14:24	jl2	ok thx for trying. any Ideas where to start?
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2023-11-06 19:16:23	llanhmock	!paste
2023-11-06 19:16:23	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
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2023-11-06 19:19:18	jl2	ok found it. just needed to add "nameserver 8.8.8.8" in /etc/resolv.conf
2023-11-06 19:19:19	teraflops	jl2: which dns config are you using? are you using a vpn?
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2023-11-06 19:19:30	teraflops	ok :)
2023-11-06 19:20:50	jl2	dns: dunno, guess I'm using google now :D
2023-11-06 19:21:23	manuels	He gusyis there any qt6 gtk style 
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2023-11-06 19:21:54	manuels	Or how do I make my qt apps look like gtk ones? 
2023-11-06 19:22:16	manuels	The wiki entry is not that helpful 
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2023-11-06 19:22:42	MrElendig	tl;dr no
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2023-11-06 19:22:52	jl2	install adwaita-qt5 :D
2023-11-06 19:23:02	manuels	Qt6 
2023-11-06 19:23:11	MrElendig	but there are themes that provide both qt and gtk styles that fit eachotehr
2023-11-06 19:24:02	jl2	install adwaita-qt6 :D
2023-11-06 19:24:02	manuels	In kde right? 
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2023-11-06 19:24:08	espresso	jl2: You could also use https://www.quad9.net/ or https://www.opendns.com or others. teraflops: DNS, good call. I was jumping to 'change IP?', verdict: more espresso
2023-11-06 19:24:10	phrik	Title: Quad9 | A public and free DNS service for a better security and privacy (at www.quad9.net)
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2023-11-06 19:25:37	manuels	Qt tells me that I have windows and fusion style. Why the heck is there a windows style but not even a single popular Linux one? 
2023-11-06 19:25:54	manuels	Is qt going to die? 
2023-11-06 19:25:55	◥	Tom^ (~Tom^@user/tom/x-0773808) has joined #archlinux
2023-11-06 19:25:59	gehidore	because linux sucks
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2023-11-06 19:26:17	teraflops	!fight gtk qt
2023-11-06 19:26:18	phrik	gtk
2023-11-06 19:26:19	◣	rs2009 (~rs2009@ubuntu/member/rs2009) ha salido (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2023-11-06 19:26:21	MacGyver	Because the Venn diagram overlap of competent graphics designers and Linux users is a microdot.
2023-11-06 19:26:25	MrElendig	manuels: no, but its going more and more closed source
2023-11-06 19:26:36	jl2	your using qt5ct/qt6ct right?
2023-11-06 19:26:39	MrElendig	manuels: or "open core" as its popular to call it these days
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2023-11-06 19:27:55	manuels	Open core? 
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2023-11-06 19:28:09	espresso	MacGyver: I think I am in that overlap, but not in the circle that happens to produce those :)
2023-11-06 19:28:27	MrElendig	manuels: base qt is free, but they are adding on more and more pay to play extensions
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2023-11-06 19:28:37	MacGyver	espresso: So basically it doesn't hurt enough to fix it? ;)
2023-11-06 19:28:39	MrElendig	manuels: also, lts is pay to play
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2023-11-06 19:28:55	manuels	Oh wow
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2023-11-06 19:34:12	espresso	MacGyver: hah, I think that may explain it here, and that I'm not yet well-versed on the integrations
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2023-11-06 19:36:54	MrElendig	manuels: and they realised that qml is horribly slow, so they are selling a compiler for it
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2023-11-06 19:38:52	MrElendig	(parts of that project is available under an open license too)
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2023-11-06 20:18:24	◣	dcunit3d (~quassel@c-174-179-70-130.hsd1.va.comcast.net) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2023-11-06 20:18:24	◣	kenwoodfox_ (~quassel@user/kenwoodfox) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2023-11-06 20:18:24	◣	tomreyn (~tomreyn@megaglest/team/tomreyn) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2023-11-06 20:18:24	◣	pmcnabb (~pmcnabb@user/pmcnabb) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2023-11-06 20:18:24	◣	rappet (~quassel@2a01:4f8:c012:b412::1) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2023-11-06 20:18:24	◣	eggy (eggy@about/pvpgn/eggy) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2023-11-06 20:18:24	◣	grandfso (~quassel@199.232.237.35.bc.googleusercontent.com) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2023-11-06 20:18:24	◣	Jokler (~Jokler@jerom.jokler.xyz) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	LBlaboon_ es conocido ahora como LBlaboon
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	gmem_ es conocido ahora como gmem
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	avakand_ es conocido ahora como avakand
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	ariadnavigo_ es conocido ahora como ariadnavigo
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	tsdh_ es conocido ahora como tsdh
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	bitfehler_ es conocido ahora como bitfehler
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	andreyv_ es conocido ahora como andreyv
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	Elvpap_ es conocido ahora como Elvpap
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	joef_ es conocido ahora como joef
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	leonardus_ es conocido ahora como leonardus
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	circuitbone_ es conocido ahora como circuitbone
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	resonanttoe5 es conocido ahora como resonanttoe
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	monadgauge_ es conocido ahora como monadgauge
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	dfriehs_ es conocido ahora como dfriehs
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	ptrc_ es conocido ahora como ptrc
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	B1773rm4n6 es conocido ahora como B1773rm4n
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	BOHverkill_ es conocido ahora como BOHverkill
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	acn es conocido ahora como AntiComposite
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	Jokler_ es conocido ahora como Jokler
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	ymherklotz_ es conocido ahora como ymherklotz
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	SamM_ es conocido ahora como SamM
2023-11-06 20:18:24	◣	yhndnzj (~yhndnzj@user/yhndnzj) ha salido (Excess Flood)
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	yuiyukihira_ es conocido ahora como yuiyukihira
2023-11-06 20:18:24	ℹ 	rselim_ es conocido ahora como rselim
2023-11-06 20:18:25	◣	felixonmars (~felixonma@archlinux/developer/felixonmars) ha salido (Excess Flood)
2023-11-06 20:18:25	ℹ 	ocelotsloth_ es conocido ahora como ocelotsloth
2023-11-06 20:18:25	ℹ 	hspak0 es conocido ahora como hspak
2023-11-06 20:18:25	ℹ 	Hetzter8 es conocido ahora como Hetzter
2023-11-06 20:18:25	ℹ 	trinity_ es conocido ahora como trinity
2023-11-06 20:18:25	ℹ 	jmcantrell_ es conocido ahora como jmcantrell
2023-11-06 20:18:25	ℹ 	b0o_ es conocido ahora como b0o
2023-11-06 20:18:26	ℹ 	marderbot_ es conocido ahora como marderbot
2023-11-06 20:18:27	ℹ 	alexdavid_ es conocido ahora como alexdavid
2023-11-06 20:18:29	ℹ 	karthin_ es conocido ahora como karthin
2023-11-06 20:18:29	ℹ 	SusanTheNerd_ es conocido ahora como SusanTheNerd
2023-11-06 20:18:29	ℹ 	shreyasminocha_ es conocido ahora como shreyasminocha
2023-11-06 20:18:30	ℹ 	txtsd_ es conocido ahora como txtsd
2023-11-06 20:18:31	ℹ 	frat3rius2 es conocido ahora como frat3rius
2023-11-06 20:18:31	ℹ 	pmcnabb6 es conocido ahora como pmcnabb
2023-11-06 20:18:32	ℹ 	Ckatt es conocido ahora como Ckat
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2023-11-06 20:18:45	◣	vismie (c8b263ae0e@2604:bf00:561:2000::fb8) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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2023-11-06 20:18:46	◣	serra (1cc1a9de67@user/serra) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2023-11-06 20:18:46	◣	kindablue (1da118f69c@user/kindablue) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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2023-11-06 20:18:46	◣	sm2n (ae95cb1267@user/sm2n) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2023-11-06 20:18:46	◣	ariadnav (be9d9be4e8@user/ariadnav) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2023-11-06 20:18:46	◣	tom5760 (73d4025b14@user/tom5760) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2023-11-06 20:18:46	◣	z812 (764ecca43e@user/z812) ha salido (Write error: Connection reset by peer)
2023-11-06 20:18:49	◣	witchymary (~witchymar@2804:14d:2a27:82bf:a295:a4a6:b7d8:97f3) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
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2023-11-06 20:19:02	ℹ 	v3r3mitz es conocido ahora como kveremitz
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2023-11-06 20:19:10	ℹ 	angerctl es conocido ahora como Namarrgon
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2023-11-06 20:19:51	ℹ 	Hexick es conocido ahora como Hex
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2023-11-07 21:04:27	lakiluki	Hey, I'm having issues running the honggfuzz fuzzer with libipt on Arch, but only on one of my machines, so I was wondering what's the difference from the kernel side of things.
2023-11-07 21:04:58	lakiluki	When I try to run the fuzzer with libipt as non-root on one machine, I get messages such as the following: "mmap(mmapBuf) failed, sz=528384, try increasing the kernel.perf_event_mlock_kb sysctl (up to even 300000000): Operation not permitted"
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2023-11-07 21:05:15	lakiluki	However, when I try it on my laptop, it seems to work just fine.
2023-11-07 21:05:57	lakiluki	My laptop is running an i5-10210U, while my PC is running an i7-12700kf. Any ideas?
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2023-11-07 21:07:17	lakiluki	Obviously if I increase the "kernel.perf_event_mlock_kb" sufficiently the fuzzer does start, but I'm not sure what role it plays, and why the default value of 516 seems to work on my laptop.
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2023-11-07 21:07:39	heat	that's probably a question for the fuzzer people
2023-11-07 21:07:41	heat	:)
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2023-11-07 21:08:15	MrElendig	lakiluki: one is more powerful than the other so hits the limit and the other don't?
2023-11-07 21:08:33	lakiluki	heat: somewhat yes, but I feel like it's also a kernel question as well
2023-11-07 21:08:56	lakiluki	MrElendig: possibly I guess, but what does it depend on?
2023-11-07 21:09:09	lakiluki	and why does the running as root work in this case?
2023-11-07 21:09:10	heat	it's a question for whoever is doing that mmap
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2023-11-07 21:09:16	lakiluki	Does the root user have different limits?
2023-11-07 21:09:21	heat	running as root bypasses the limit, probably
2023-11-07 21:09:30	MrElendig	lakiluki: root is allowed to change it
2023-11-07 21:09:35	MrElendig	obviously
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2023-11-07 21:09:57	lakiluki	i guess so, I'm just not sure to what value it changes it to
2023-11-07 21:10:22	lakiluki	i'm asking not only because I'm trying to get it to work, as changing the value or running it as root does start the fuzzer
2023-11-07 21:10:36	lakiluki	but curiously, it also crashes the kernel soon after
2023-11-07 21:10:38	heat	it's not changing it
2023-11-07 21:10:39	MrElendig	look at the source and see what it does
2023-11-07 21:10:47	heat	Maximum number of pages an unprivileged user can mlock(2).
2023-11-07 21:10:52	heat	per perf_event_open(2)
2023-11-07 21:11:34	lakiluki	I haven't looked at the man page yet, thanks
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2023-11-07 21:11:53	lakiluki	welp, guess it's time to read the man pages, the fuzzer source and possibly look into the kernel
2023-11-07 21:11:55	lakiluki	thanks
2023-11-07 21:12:24	heat	i'll guess that libipt thinks it needs a larger buffer because you have more cores, so it tries to get a larger buffer
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2023-11-07 21:12:58	heat	bcuz "The AUX region allows mmap(2)-ing a separate sample buffer for high-bandwidth data streams (separate from the main perf sample buffer).  An example of a high-bandwidth stream is instruction tracing support, as is found in newer Intel processors."
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2023-11-07 21:13:43	lakiluki	yeah, I guess that does make sense, since running with a lower number of workers does the trick
2023-11-07 21:16:15	ToneyFox	Is it a good idea to enable Multilib?
2023-11-07 21:16:31	Namarrgon	only if you need something from it
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2023-11-07 21:17:36	ToneyFox	Theoretically any time I want to install something that uses it I will need it and as long as it's at the bottom, other repos will be checked first, right?
2023-11-07 21:18:00	MrElendig	ToneyFox: there is no duplication in multilib
2023-11-07 21:18:02	Namarrgon	yes but there are no duplicates in the other repos
2023-11-07 21:18:14	lakiluki	also, since the CPU gets really hot when I force it to run on all cores, do you think it would warrant a kernel crash due to it being unable to handle a page fault?
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2023-11-07 21:18:26	ToneyFox	Oh xD
2023-11-07 21:18:33	ToneyFox	I'm asking in the wrong IRC
2023-11-07 21:19:02	lakiluki	also, it seems running libipt with a lower number of workers does the trick, but eventually hangs and the fuzzer gets instantly killed whenever started again
2023-11-07 21:19:04	lakiluki	fun
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2023-11-07 21:20:05	Namarrgon	most laptops are not designed for continues high load but the cpu should throttle before it cooks itself
2023-11-07 21:20:22	Namarrgon	*continuous
2023-11-07 21:20:25	lakiluki	this is on a desktop CPU, but I figured the same, yes
2023-11-07 21:20:45	Namarrgon	in either case, heat is not the reason for the kernel explosion
2023-11-07 21:20:49	heat	lakiluki, heat does not cause crashes unless hardware is borked
2023-11-07 21:20:55	heat	believe me, i'm a heat expert
2023-11-07 21:21:01	lakiluki	:D
2023-11-07 21:21:21	lakiluki	that makes sense, though I guess it could be a CPU defect as well, but I doubt it
2023-11-07 21:21:32	lakiluki	I remember running libipt fuzzers before, and everything worked just fine
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2023-11-07 21:21:41	heat	it could be that you're uncovering a kernel bug
2023-11-07 21:21:54	lakiluki	yeah, that's what i'm hoping
2023-11-07 21:22:01	lakiluki	fun debugging session
2023-11-07 21:22:13	lakiluki	where I probably can't even debug it in a VM
2023-11-07 21:22:17	heat	turn on ASAN
2023-11-07 21:22:20	Namarrgon	if the library abuses mlock() it can deadlock the system
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2023-11-07 21:23:45	lakiluki	Namarrgon: good point as well, yeah
2023-11-07 21:24:02	lakiluki	i'll try recompiling the kernel with kasan
2023-11-07 21:24:23	Namarrgon	kasan will not help you when you run out of ram
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2023-11-07 21:24:34	heat	this is a crash though
2023-11-07 21:24:39	lakiluki	RAM is not the issue though
2023-11-07 21:24:40	Namarrgon	there is a reason why mlock is set so low by default
2023-11-07 21:24:56	Namarrgon	what kind of "crash"? a panic?
2023-11-07 21:25:07	heat	page fault = oops
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2023-11-07 21:25:28	lakiluki	I guess a double fault in that case?
2023-11-07 21:25:32	lakiluki	yes, a panic
2023-11-07 21:25:40	Namarrgon	what is in the trace?
2023-11-07 21:26:21	Strykar	Foxboron: would ssh-tpm-agent work with AMD AM5 platform's fTPM? Seems fTPM is the only option for the x670 chipset - https://www.asus.com/microsite/motherboard/AMD-AM5-X670-B650/websites/download/ASUS-X670-Series-Specs.pdf
2023-11-07 21:26:36	Foxboron	Strykar: a TPM is a TPM
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2023-11-07 21:27:01	Strykar	thank you!
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2023-11-07 21:27:26	lakiluki	page faults, page faults, soft lockup on one core and then suddenly "Unable to access opcode bytes at 0x55555567f4d4"
2023-11-07 21:27:27	Foxboron	Strykar: I have some new features that will change the key format fwiw
2023-11-07 21:27:35	lakiluki	first page fault is from a syscall to ptrace
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2023-11-07 21:28:13	MrElendig	Strykar: there are some x670 boards with hardware tpm
2023-11-07 21:28:29	heat	lakiluki, a dump of the dmesg would be interesting
2023-11-07 21:28:35	MrElendig	asus dropped them from their "gaming" boards though
2023-11-07 21:28:38	Strykar	MrElendig: which one's, the few Gigabytes I looked at had only fTPM
2023-11-07 21:28:48	heat	are you fuzzing the kernel?
2023-11-07 21:28:56	lakiluki	also oops on subsequent starts of the fuzzer
2023-11-07 21:29:00	lakiluki	heat: interestingly, no
2023-11-07 21:29:01	MrElendig	asus prime still has tpm and some asrock boards
2023-11-07 21:29:03	lakiluki	it's a userspace library
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2023-11-07 21:29:13	lakiluki	https://0x0.st/HtyV.txt
2023-11-07 21:29:20	lakiluki	this is from when the kernel crashed, I think
2023-11-07 21:29:28	Strykar	Foxboron: looking to build and x670 system, just noticed Asus doesnt support it via external chip across their range
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2023-11-07 21:29:45	MrElendig	Strykar: https://www.asus.com/microsite/motherboard/AMD-AM5-X670-B650/websites/download/ASUS-X670-Series-Specs.pdf
2023-11-07 21:29:46	Namarrgon	don't these boards mostly have additional tpm headers?
2023-11-07 21:30:17	MrElendig	prime still has tpm header
2023-11-07 21:30:26	MrElendig	(good luck finding a module in stock though=
2023-11-07 21:30:40	lakiluki	but yeah, seems to be an oops whenever I run the kernel with less cores for a while, it then locks up and when I try to restart it the kernel just kills the process
2023-11-07 21:31:00	lakiluki	looks like a kernel bug, I guess it might even be debuggable in a VM?
2023-11-07 21:31:02	Strykar	MrElendig: nice, that wont fit 3 nice GPUs sadly
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2023-11-07 21:31:53	lakiluki	subsequent fuzzing attemps result in an invalid CR2 as well, it seems
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2023-11-07 21:32:27	MrElendig	Strykar: no atx board can these days :p
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2023-11-07 21:32:57	MrElendig	not physically possible now that 3 and 3.5slot cards are the norm :p
2023-11-07 21:33:07	heat	lakiluki, yep, looks like a bug, probably corruption
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2023-11-07 21:34:05	lakiluki	heat: super hyped, finally debugging the kernel without it being a ctf challenge
2023-11-07 21:34:05	MrElendig	would be running out of pcie lanes too
2023-11-07 21:34:09	Strykar	MrElendig: Its why I shortlisted the ROG Strix X670E-E Gaming Wifi, it can fit 3 without spending $1000+  I dont need 3.5 slot spacing, thank god
2023-11-07 21:34:31	MrElendig	though "fine" if you go for lower end cards that can be fed trough 4x pcie 4.0
2023-11-07 21:34:56	Strykar	yea the third card has to be a low power thin quadro
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2023-11-08 17:12:09	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1400 apodos (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1400 regular)
2023-11-07 21:35:34	Strykar	cant afford the electricity to run threadripper pro or have to deal with the cooling
2023-11-07 21:36:25	MrElendig	non-pro would be fine
2023-11-07 21:37:13	Strykar	still too expensive compared to AM5, I was going Ryzen 9 7000, its a 65W TDP 12 core CPU
2023-11-07 21:37:31	MrElendig	yea they are doing silly prices because they can
2023-11-07 21:38:32	heat	lakiluki, since it only pops up with a lot of cores, i would bet KCSAN may help figure that out
2023-11-07 21:38:35	MrElendig	they could have done a 16 core for 700 bucks or something but why do that when you can charge 1500 instead for a 24 core?
2023-11-07 21:38:51	heat	otherwise, KASAN (KMSAN too)
2023-11-07 21:39:01	Strykar	yea, but 65W vs 175W also gives me pause
2023-11-07 21:39:09	heat	unfortunately you can only have one of those on at a time :/
2023-11-07 21:39:19	MrElendig	Strykar: amd tdp doesn't really mean shit
2023-11-07 21:39:42	lakiluki	heat: I didn't even know KCSAN existed, thanks
2023-11-07 21:39:45	Strykar	with PBO it still maxes out around 111W, which is A OK for 12 cores no?
2023-11-07 21:40:03	lakiluki	yeah, I'll probably try it with one at a time, I guess
2023-11-07 21:43:29	MrElendig	Strykar: amd goes "this 6 core and this 16 core both have 105w tdp, even though the later also have higher clock speeds"
2023-11-07 21:43:55	MrElendig	Strykar: the way they do that is by changing the thermal coefficient in their tdp calcuation
2023-11-07 21:44:13	Strykar	I'm aware of the clock speed difference for the Ryzen 9 7000 vs 7000x, and I like it
2023-11-07 21:44:19	MrElendig	basically assuming that the higher end chip will have a cooler with a much lower thermal resistance
2023-11-07 21:44:47	MrElendig	while the chips actually use vastly different amounts of power
2023-11-07 21:46:13	Strykar	aye, are you suggesting Intel 14th gen may be better for power consumption?
2023-11-07 21:46:26	MrElendig	Strykar: seems fine until the consumer who bought the high end chip goes to buy a cooler and grabs the cheapest "105w rater" cooler tney can find, with horribly thermal resistance
2023-11-07 21:47:13	MrElendig	Strykar: no, I'm just saying that amd "tdp" number doesn't really equate to how hard it is to cool
2023-11-07 21:47:19	MrElendig	nor actual power usage
2023-11-07 21:48:13	MrElendig	when comparing trx40 and am5 there is of course the whole power density difference :)
2023-11-07 21:48:35	MrElendig	which is often a bigger issue these days than the absolute heat dissipation
2023-11-07 21:48:51	Strykar	all the more reason I like the 65W option, I wont use the AMD provided Wraith cooler, I'll get a Noctua but I dont want to deal with liquid cooling 
2023-11-07 21:49:44	MrElendig	thermal density combined with the heatspreader design is why am5 runs so much hotter than am4 at the same power level
2023-11-07 21:50:28	MrElendig	intel on the other hand just uses stupid amounts of power, and have a bendy heatspreader so you kinda need a shim for their higher end models
2023-11-07 21:50:48	dsimic	bendy?
2023-11-07 21:51:02	MrElendig	dsimic: it literally bends when you clamp down the cooler
2023-11-07 21:51:13	dsimic	wow, that's something new to me
2023-11-07 21:51:15	MrElendig	dsimic: leading to uneven contact and heat issues
2023-11-07 21:51:25	dsimic	sure, it goes out of whack
2023-11-07 21:51:42	dsimic	that's really strange
2023-11-07 21:52:17	MrElendig	having a contact plate can make a significant difference on intel depending on the cooler
2023-11-07 21:52:35	dsimic	good to know
2023-11-07 21:52:36	MrElendig	s/plate/frame/
2023-11-07 21:53:19	MrElendig	can drop temps by about 10c at high loads in some cases
2023-11-07 21:53:55	dsimic	that's a huge difference
2023-11-07 21:54:10	MrElendig	indeed
2023-11-07 21:55:15	dsimic	I'm really surprised to see AM5 having such issues
2023-11-07 21:55:25	dsimic	but I see why
2023-11-07 21:55:54	MrElendig	am5 doesn't bend, but its smaller and have a really thick heat spreader with higher resistance
2023-11-07 21:56:00	MrElendig	thermal resistance
2023-11-07 21:56:10	dsimic	yes, I just read a bit about it
2023-11-07 21:56:46	MrElendig	they probably did it to keep coolers compatible without mounting kits when they probably shouldn't
2023-11-07 21:56:58	dsimic	that was a bad choice
2023-11-07 21:57:06	MrElendig	but then again, its still good enough for most of the am5 chips
2023-11-07 21:57:45	MrElendig	not really an issue unless you are pushing overclocking
2023-11-07 21:57:55	dsimic	ah, then it's fine
2023-11-07 21:58:02	dsimic	in my book, at least
2023-11-07 21:58:29	MrElendig	13900k on the other hand really benefits from a frame even at stock :p
2023-11-07 21:58:50	dsimic	I stopped caring about Intel a while ago :)
2023-11-07 22:04:00	thepiercingarrow	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_MIME_Applications#New_MIME_types are these instructions outdated? I've followed the instructions exactly to create a new MIME type, but when I run xdg-mime query filetype hello.foo it prints "text/plain"
2023-11-07 22:04:01	phrik	Title: XDG MIME Applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-11-08 00:54:18	Edu4rdSHL	Question, I do have an AUR package that I was updating to use the beta releases of the repo. The current beta in broken, but the update happened anyways and there aren't patches yet for the issue. My plan is to switch to the stable release from now on, what would be the best approach here? Just use epoch, I guess?
2023-11-08 00:57:22	NetSysFire	i'd downgrade temporarily
2023-11-08 00:58:36	Edu4rdSHL	So, just change the pkgver from the -beta version to the previous non-beta one?
2023-11-08 01:07:20	NetSysFire	basically
2023-11-08 01:07:27	NetSysFire	and add a pinned comment why you did this
2023-11-08 01:07:58	demonicmaniac1	or make another aur package that's always stable and add "may be broken" to the beta aur package
2023-11-08 01:20:40	krumelmonster	I only learned today about the funny things you could do with unicode RTL characters and I played a bit with unicode in my firefox address bar, (U+202e in particular). Now in all of my browser tabs, typo is broken in a funny ways. Especially ligatures do funny things. ff becomes something that looks like fi while ffl turns into IL fl turns into ff and flX turns into ff followed by an l ontop of
2023-11-08 01:20:40	krumelmonster	an X. Sadly I don't remember *exactly* the unic
2023-11-08 01:21:53	krumelmonster	I could sure restart firefox to get rid of the issue but I'd so love to get to the bottom of this
2023-11-08 01:25:07	Edu4rdSHL	Ask in #firefox
2023-11-08 01:49:14	krumelmonster	oh it was probably just caused by updating the font package :/
2023-11-08 06:17:06	ryzenda	Besides `fingerterm`, which surprisingly is not listed in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications#Terminal_emulators despite that it's available to install without setting up aur, are there any other terminal emulators that show a virtual on screen keyboard to accept input from?
2023-11-08 06:17:08	phrik	Title: List of applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-11-08 06:17:49	ryzenda	I'm using a Lenovo Legion Go handheld computer that I want to setup to be able to use fully without any keyboard, even though I attach a keyboard when I'm home
2023-11-08 06:21:48	ryzenda	I notice that practically no terminal emulators seem to bring up the GNOME/KDE on screen keyboards when ready for keyboard input
2023-11-08 06:22:13	ryzenda	that's unfortunate, because I'd like to use othe them too
2023-11-08 06:23:03	grawity	does gnome-terminal not count
2023-11-08 06:23:38	grawity	...tbh I'm not sure what framework the gnome osk uses
2023-11-08 06:28:39	ryzenda	In KDE, running gnome-terminal, no virtual keyboard appears. Same in GNOME, no virtual keyboard appears.
2023-11-08 06:29:12	ryzenda	Also in GNOME, gnome-terminal background seems to be glitched, causing visual artifacts somess up the screen
2023-11-08 06:29:23	ryzenda	to mess*
2023-11-08 06:31:06	ryzenda	example https://0x0.st/Htvu.png
2023-11-08 07:32:03	ryzenda	lol rip!!! keepassxc setting up a password, I can't type the password using the on-screen virtual keyboard on the Lenovo Legion Go computer
2023-11-08 07:33:38	BrainDamage	I had similar issues with my wifi pw
2023-11-08 08:24:57	chovy	how can i install this on arch? https://sourceforge.net/projects/pdftohtml/
2023-11-08 08:26:16	bookworm	install from repo, aur, write package file
2023-11-08 08:26:29	bookworm	in that order until one succeeds
2023-11-08 08:27:10	chovy	there is no aur for it
2023-11-08 08:27:31	chovy	i tried download and did make, but make install fails
2023-11-08 08:27:43	bookworm	!error
2023-11-08 08:27:44	phrik	An error occured while attempting to display the error message.
2023-11-08 08:28:00	chovy	/usr/bin/install: cannot stat 'xpdf/pdftops': No such file or directory
2023-11-08 08:28:33	bookworm	then your build step already had issues
2023-11-08 08:28:46	bookworm	or the makefile is poorly written... either
2023-11-08 08:28:55	kode54	"status: beta" "last update: 2013"
2023-11-08 08:29:19	chovy	gfile.cc:(.text+0x536): warning: the use of `tmpnam' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'
2023-11-08 08:29:42	chovy	oh. shit
2023-11-08 08:29:49	chovy	ok. i guess there's no way to convert a pdf to html
2023-11-08 08:29:54	bookworm	you sure you want to run that software?
2023-11-08 08:29:58	chovy	no
2023-11-08 08:30:00	bookworm	pandoc?
2023-11-08 08:30:27	chovy	Pandoc can convert to PDF, but not from PDF.
2023-11-08 08:30:33	bookworm	ah
2023-11-08 08:31:15	chromas	poppler package has a pdftohtml tool
2023-11-08 08:31:56	chovy	ahh that's the same tool
2023-11-08 08:41:44	src_tinkerer	chovy: Have you tried this?: https://github.com/pdf2htmlEX/pdf2htmlEX
2023-11-08 09:04:16	chovy	naah, i just used some cheesy online tool. good enough for privacy page
2023-11-08 09:05:14	chovy	i'll test it out thoguh
2023-11-08 09:09:24	chovy	didn't build
2023-11-08 10:33:04	enoq	just wanted to drop by and say thanks, arch has some of the best ergonomics to develop Java
2023-11-08 10:59:14	lester29	can i mix dkms modules with pre-build modules for specific kernel versions for instance rtl88xxau-aircrack-dkms-git and nvidia-lts?
2023-11-08 10:59:50	jelle	yes
2023-11-08 11:34:51	susi	there's /sys/devices/platform/coretemp.0/hwmon/hwmon4/temp* and there's /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone{0..4}/temp, but they don't match - values do change though, and `sensors' reports what hwmon/* reports
2023-11-08 11:35:12	susi	any idea about these
2023-11-08 11:36:32	jelle	coretemp is your intel cpu temp driver
2023-11-08 11:36:45	jelle	all should have a name
2023-11-08 11:36:56	susi	where do thermal_zone* temps come from, as they do change too
2023-11-08 11:37:18	jelle	err label, like temp1_label
2023-11-08 11:37:30	jelle	Documentation/driver-api/thermal/sysfs-api.rst :P
2023-11-08 11:38:26	jelle	susi: well read /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/type
2023-11-08 11:38:38	susi	acpitz
2023-11-08 11:38:59	susi	acpitz, SEN1, INT3400 Thermal, TCPU, x86_pkg_temp
2023-11-08 11:39:08	susi	of all thermal_zones
2023-11-08 11:39:12	jelle	so that's some bios configured sensor which can be anything
2023-11-08 11:39:17	jelle	(acpitz)
2023-11-08 11:39:58	jelle	the rest I am sure you can google :)
2023-11-08 11:45:21	jelle	susi: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/hwmon/coretemp.html
2023-11-08 11:45:23	phrik	Title: Kernel driver coretemp — The Linux Kernel documentation (at www.kernel.org)
2023-11-08 11:53:15	ecraven	is there a way to show *all* network interfaces, even the ones inside other namespaces?
2023-11-08 11:56:13	susi	maybe: ip -a netns exec ip l sh
2023-11-08 11:57:53	susi	-all*
2023-11-08 12:00:27	ecraven	hm.. I run `sudo ip link add link enp1s0 name dmz type vlan id 20`, I get `Error: 8021q: VLAN device already exists.`, but there is no other namespace, and no interface has that vlan id in use :-/
2023-11-08 12:12:36	MrElendig	same name?
2023-11-08 12:29:48	ecraven	mrelendig: no, nothing of that name exists..
2023-11-08 12:30:11	ecraven	ip netns list is empty, I see no devices, lsns -n -u -t net shows nothing except for my "main" namespace
2023-11-08 12:30:26	ecraven	maybe I should reboot :-/
2023-11-08 12:54:07	luigibu	hi! need some advice, what can i use to connect to aws with okta in arch? in ubuntu you can install aws-okta-processor and aws. But im not sure what should be used in arch. any idea someone?
2023-11-08 12:56:53	Namarrgon	have you checked the AUR?
2023-11-08 12:57:39	Namarrgon	sometimes there is no package/PKGBUILD and you have to write your own
2023-11-08 12:57:50	luigibu	yes.. there is something.. but im not sure 
2023-11-08 12:58:17	Namarrgon	wasn't okta in the news recently?
2023-11-08 12:58:41	Khorne	Authentication provider with a data breach?
2023-11-08 12:58:48	Khorne	shocked
2023-11-08 13:00:17	Namarrgon	something like that, yeah
2023-11-08 13:00:23	Namarrgon	luigibu: this one https://github.com/godaddy/aws-okta-processor ?
2023-11-08 13:00:54	Namarrgon	looks like mostly python
2023-11-08 13:03:41	luigibu	Namarrgon: yes.. i tried that one.. but pip installed some dependencies that where already installed in my sistem with pacman.. i dont really remember exactly.. i tried like 4 months ago.. i did a messs..  
2023-11-08 13:06:20	Namarrgon	did you wrap it in a PKGBUILD or just sudo pip --yolo it?
2023-11-08 13:53:46	GTP	Hello everyone
2023-11-08 14:07:52	Namarrgon	hi
2023-11-08 15:20:46	gehidore	hi
2023-11-08 15:22:48	luna_	hi
2023-11-08 15:23:12	nathan	hi
2023-11-08 15:25:25	rizvi	hi
2023-11-08 15:26:53	NetSysFire	when you run makepkg on the archiso, where theres no other users, the only option is to make one because there is no way to convince makepkg to run as root here, correct?
2023-11-08 15:30:32	Metroid	i believe so 
2023-11-08 15:32:55	Earnestly	Does the nobody user not exist?
2023-11-08 15:47:07	cousin_luigi	Greetings.
2023-11-08 15:47:09	cousin_luigi	http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a835a49d/
2023-11-08 15:47:12	phrik	Title: Debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)
2023-11-08 15:51:25	Namarrgon	when was the last time you updated the system?
2023-11-08 15:51:56	Nailbarian	A few minutes ago. Then again, I installed it a few hours ago.
2023-11-08 15:52:19	cousin_luigi	Namarrgon: Was that for me?
2023-11-08 15:52:27	cousin_luigi	A few months ago, I believe.
2023-11-08 15:52:28	Namarrgon	cousin_luigi: yes
2023-11-08 15:52:31	Nailbarian	Oops
2023-11-08 15:52:37	Namarrgon	you still have [community] enbled
2023-11-08 15:52:50	cousin_luigi	Something like this happened to me once, but that VM had been down for a couple of years.
2023-11-08 15:52:54	cousin_luigi	Namarrgon: Is that bad?
2023-11-08 15:53:11	Namarrgon	https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/
2023-11-08 15:53:12	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Git migration completed (at archlinux.org)
2023-11-08 15:53:21	Namarrgon	you should read the news every once in a while
2023-11-08 15:53:36	Namarrgon	update the archlinux-keyring package first, then -Su again
2023-11-08 15:56:59	cousin_luigi	Thanks, that worked
2023-11-08 16:02:33	cousin_luigi	Now, I'm attempting to clean up things a bit. Why is "systemd-network" listening on 68/udp ?
2023-11-08 16:04:30	jelle	listed where?
2023-11-08 16:05:55	cousin_luigi	ss -lnp4 
2023-11-08 16:06:12	wunit	it probably needs to listen on that port so it can receive responses from the DHCP server
2023-11-08 16:06:18	cousin_luigi	hmmm right
2023-11-08 16:06:29	cousin_luigi	I forget how antediluvian the DHCP protocol is
2023-11-08 16:07:01	cousin_luigi	That and broadcast being required when one doesn't have an IP yet
2023-11-08 16:35:38	NetSysFire	Earnestly: nobody is locked
2023-11-08 16:35:47	NetSysFire	or well has nologin as the shell
2023-11-08 16:37:20	Scimmia	NetSysFire: wouldn't it be easier to just install Arch to USB and do whatever you want from there?
2023-11-08 16:37:23	Earnestly	locked?
2023-11-08 16:38:13	NetSysFire	when i tried that it said the account is not available. i dont have the exact error message anymore but i am fairly sure this is related to nologin being the shell as i saw this in the past somewhere
2023-11-08 16:38:43	NetSysFire	Scimmia: its more of a general question, although with the context of compiling a crucial dkms module for e.g the wifi driver
2023-11-08 16:39:16	Earnestly	# runuser -u nobody -- makepkg --version
2023-11-08 16:40:18	NetSysFire	and i was looking to maaaybe incorporate that into the wiki once i find a good place since its a somewhat common scenario
2023-11-08 16:40:20	Earnestly	As long as the build directory is owned by nobody it should work
2023-11-08 16:40:34	NetSysFire	i'll try that tomorrow
2023-11-08 16:41:22	Earnestly	(The login shell is not related to running commands as a user)
2023-11-08 16:41:48	NetSysFire	i likely tried su nobody which was probably foolish in hindsight
2023-11-08 16:42:18	NetSysFire	but good thing i can collect the good practices now for laterz
2023-11-08 16:45:30	gromit	NetSysFire: there is a dirty trick to this, you can just do a "env EUID=1 makepkg" https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman/-/blob/master/scripts/makepkg.sh.in?ref_type=heads#L1108
2023-11-08 16:45:31	phrik	Title: scripts/makepkg.sh.in · master · Pacman / Pacman · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-11-08 16:45:41	gromit	^ but that is definitely not the proper way :p
2023-11-08 16:45:41	NetSysFire	thats good to know, too
2023-11-08 16:46:12	NetSysFire	well, it doesnt matter on the archiso but it is indeed dirty and maybe i wouldnt put that in official docs
2023-11-08 17:01:25	jl2	Hi, what's delaying kernel 6.6?
2023-11-08 17:03:57	Namarrgon	delaying? updates don't magically pop into existence, someone has to work on them
2023-11-08 17:03:59	mpan	jl2: it has been released just a few hours ago. 
2023-11-08 17:04:31	jelle	!when
2023-11-08 17:04:32	phrik	When it's ready. ™
2023-11-08 17:04:54	jl2	OK, so we're just waiting for someone to pop the counter one up?
2023-11-08 17:05:26	Freneticks	Where can I find this key on gpg server not hardcodded : https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/arch-boxes#releases ?
2023-11-08 17:05:27	Namarrgon	yes, that's all it takes to maintain vital distro packages, nothing else required
2023-11-08 17:05:27	phrik	Title: Arch Linux / arch-boxes · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-11-08 17:05:33	jelle	https://github.com/archlinux/linux/releases/tag/v6.6.1-arch1 bonk
2023-11-08 17:05:39	jl2	just 'cause it's flagged out of date for a week now
2023-11-08 17:05:48	jelle	jl2: we always wait on .1
2023-11-08 17:06:04	jelle	Freneticks: why does a keyserver make it more trustworthy :p
2023-11-08 17:06:44	Freneticks	well i think you can't upload the same twice, but that's not the problem
2023-11-08 17:06:51	jl2	I only meant 'cause https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/linux/ is still saying 6.5.9
2023-11-08 17:06:53	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - linux 6.5.9.arch2-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2023-11-08 17:06:54	Freneticks	the problem is everybody use gpg --recv
2023-11-08 17:07:09	mpan	jl2: people are able to flag whenever they want: it does not mean it is out of date. The first stable release has been released just a few hours ago: <https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v6.x/ChangeLog-6.6.1>.
2023-11-08 17:07:13	Freneticks	i will not re-invent my script because arch don't want to use it
2023-11-08 17:08:29	jl2	OK got it. thx people
2023-11-08 17:08:35	mpan	jl2: unless you ask, why 6.5.11 was not released. Well, not each and every revision is released and it would be pretty pointless to release 6.5.11 if 6.6.1 is to be released soon.
2023-11-08 17:08:36	NetSysFire	!when5
2023-11-08 17:08:37	phrik	every time someone asks about a release date it is postponed by a week
2023-11-08 17:09:18	gromit	jl2: also its maybe noteworthy that all packages in core undergo the testing process, see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team and https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Official_repositories#Testing_repositories
2023-11-08 17:09:19	phrik	Title: Arch Testing Team - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-11-08 17:09:40	jl2	NetSysFire: :D it's pretty efective for siblings asking to play minecraft
2023-11-08 17:10:44	mpan	… until they discover your “mark this package out-of-date” button on you! ;)
2023-11-08 17:11:04	jelle	let's disable that
2023-11-08 17:11:20	mpan	!check if a Lego block under jl2’s feet works well as such a button
2023-11-08 17:11:21	phrik	Testing if a Lego block under jl2’s feet works well as such a button: [PASS]
2023-11-08 17:11:57	jl2	hm my laptop has some extra buttons
2023-11-08 17:12:09	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-11-08 17:27:57	NetSysFire	jl2: if you havent already, consider improving the page for your laptop on the archwiki to add a table of obscure fn button preesses
2023-11-08 17:28:19	NetSysFire	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ASUS_ROG_STRIX_G17_(2022)#Function_keys look at this marvel
2023-11-08 17:28:20	phrik	Title: ASUS ROG STRIX G17 (2022) - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-11-08 17:29:27	jl2	I don't have an asus, love to if it has a dgpu, I've got a lenovo (search for 14arb7)
2023-11-08 17:29:40	NetSysFire	its just an example of obscure buttons
2023-11-08 17:29:41	◣	dzatovic (~dzatovic@user/dzatovic) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2023-11-08 17:29:59	NetSysFire	and since i am the patron saint of all laptop pages i always encourage people to document the quirks in their hardware
2023-11-08 17:31:09	jl2	How do you mean obscure? you might want to give me a sainted version :d
2023-11-08 17:31:44	◣	sealrus (~sealrus@user/sealrus) ha salido (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2023-11-08 17:31:44	NetSysFire	okay so you hold fn and press every single key on your keyboard while xev or similar is running and you document not only the labled f* keys but ALL
2023-11-08 17:32:26	jl2	also for example fn+y producing ctrl+y?
2023-11-08 17:32:27	NetSysFire	fn+kp_multiply is apparently rfkill on this laptop for example which was a surprise
2023-11-08 17:32:37	NetSysFire	this is an example, yes
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2023-11-08 17:34:06	jl2	OK will do, can I somehow get the output from a TTY? got some keybinds on them, thus sway catching them, thus not showing up in wev
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2023-11-08 17:34:47	NetSysFire	you must have a very minimal wm for this, one that does not listen on many keybinds and swallows them whole
2023-11-08 17:35:06	NetSysFire	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dell_Latitude_3500#Function_keys my current laptop (not for long anymore though), i still dont get why xflaunch3 is triggered by fn+qwetadfg
2023-11-08 17:35:07	phrik	Title: Dell Latitude 3500 - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-11-08 17:36:05	jl2	nvm I'll just run sway with no config
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2023-11-08 17:37:27	jl2	ok bad idea, I can't even open a terminal in it XD
2023-11-08 17:37:38	NetSysFire	add your terminal to autostart
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2023-11-08 17:49:22	jl2	would have been a better idea :D I just configured the keybinds for exit, terminal and quit
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2023-11-08 17:51:32	jl2	how should I sort them? top left to bottom right, each row, skip the ctrl ones and append them in the end?
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2023-11-08 17:53:05	jl2	and I saw this when I exited sway: http://0x0.st/Ht33.jpg
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2023-11-08 18:36:28	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-11-08 18:36:28	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1386 apodos (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1386 regular)
2023-11-08 18:03:32	jl2	sorry accidentally closed, NetSysFire: can you help? dunno why the table suddenly warped down to the bottom
2023-11-08 18:07:42	jl2	And did you take a look at the link I sent? they won't show up in wev
2023-11-08 18:18:55	piie	ls
2023-11-08 18:19:02	piie	oops, wrong window ;)
2023-11-08 18:21:37	MacGyver	.
2023-11-08 18:21:39	MacGyver	..
2023-11-08 18:24:37	wunit	!ls piie 
2023-11-08 18:24:37	phrik	drwxrwxr-x 5 piie piie 51 2023-11-08 17:24 pr0n/
2023-11-08 18:25:08	piie	:D
2023-11-08 18:28:14	rizvi	a-ha!
2023-11-08 18:36:28	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-11-08 18:37:33	ℹ 	heat__ es conocido ahora como heat
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2023-11-08 18:38:50	lavaball	as much as i'm hating on you because of systemd and glibc, i gotta say, using arch is a poem.  never had any real issues. everything fringe is in aur. even still have a remote box running the hardened kernel and i never had any issues with it.   so, yeah, good job.
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2023-11-08 18:49:05	rizvi	main-character-turbo
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2023-11-08 18:52:29	lavaball	that's the new thing, is it? this main character thing. i was thinking the npc stuff was getting old.
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2023-11-08 18:52:59	susi	https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/174e0qi/cant_believe_this_but_gnome_45_is_finally_in_the/
2023-11-08 18:53:01	phrik	Title: Can't believe this, but GNOME 45 is finally in the Arch repos! Honestly, can't believe that it's actually this smooth after what happened to my Fedora build after upgrading to 44. : gnome (at www.reddit.com)
2023-11-08 18:53:14	lavaball	rizvi, do you have a wiki about it by any chance? i would like to be able to relate to the young people.
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2023-11-08 18:58:11	jl2	!gd
2023-11-08 18:58:12	phrik	G'Day to all from jl2!
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2023-11-08 19:00:28	phrik	#archlinux o.o
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2023-11-08 19:04:07	ecraven	in GNU make, how do I run a script to check whether a target should be built, instead of checking for file timestamps?
2023-11-08 19:04:10	ℹ 	m15 es conocido ahora como m257
2023-11-08 19:04:16	ecraven	(like check whether a podman network already exists)
2023-11-08 19:04:40	Edu4rdSHL	What 
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2023-11-08 19:04:50	MrElendig	sounds like you are using make for something you shouldn't  use it for
2023-11-08 19:05:00	ecraven	maybe :-/
2023-11-08 19:05:02	Edu4rdSHL	How's that related to ArchLinux? And even worse, why are you using GNU make for something like that?
2023-11-08 19:05:03	MrElendig	have you heard about our lord and saviour ansible?
2023-11-08 19:05:21	◣	e8v92golf (~e8v92golf@172.56.85.16) ha salido (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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2023-11-08 19:06:09	ecraven	MrElendig: yea :-/ I was hoping for something "simpler"
2023-11-08 19:06:14	MrElendig	make isn't simple
2023-11-08 19:06:18	MrElendig	simpler*
2023-11-08 19:06:24	ecraven	but Makefiles are simpler than playbooks ;)
2023-11-08 19:06:32	MrElendig	you end up reinventing the wheel badly, taking way longer than just using ansible
2023-11-08 19:06:34	ecraven	(well, *my* Makefiles are simpler than *my* playbooks)
2023-11-08 19:06:40	ecraven	yea, conceded
2023-11-08 19:08:16	RealFloridaMan	"jre-openjdk and jre-openjdk-headless are in conflict. Remove jre-openjdk-headless? [y/N]"
2023-11-08 19:08:18	RealFloridaMan	pfff
2023-11-08 19:08:20	RealFloridaMan	come on
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2023-11-08 19:09:00	Scimmia	RealFloridaMan: did you see the news?
2023-11-08 19:09:27	RealFloridaMan	no, I was just updating the system
2023-11-08 19:09:38	MrElendig	RealFloridaMan: you are supposed to check the news first
2023-11-08 19:11:03	MrElendig	"News at 8: Florida man destroys system; didn't read the news"
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2023-11-08 19:11:18	RealFloridaMan	heh
2023-11-08 19:11:46	brocellous	tbh, update first and check the news in case of any conflict is also a fine strat.
2023-11-08 19:11:56	RealFloridaMan	solved
2023-11-08 19:12:16	RealFloridaMan	but I know, some changes has to be checked before any update
2023-11-08 19:12:22	MrElendig	brocellous: there have been some cases where you would get no errors from pacman, but you would not be able to reboot
2023-11-08 19:12:27	RealFloridaMan	any mayor update like I was doign
2023-11-08 19:12:42	brocellous	nah
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2023-11-08 19:12:59	MrElendig	or not be able to log in, or similar
2023-11-08 19:13:25	teraflops	oh, I do remember that one
2023-11-08 19:13:59	brocellous	there was a grub issue at one point but tbh that was user error for never updating the boot loader after the package upgrade.
2023-11-08 19:14:48	Scimmia	arch-announce mailing list. Every user should be subscribed
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2023-11-08 19:15:38	alad	I subscribe to complaints on IRC
2023-11-08 19:16:02	RealFloridaMan	only two months of not updating arch in termux and turns out to be a nightmare
2023-11-08 19:16:34	furrykef	Mailing lists are so 90s.
2023-11-08 19:17:13	brocellous	yeah let's only use modern stuff, like IRC.
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2023-11-08 19:21:07	Edu4rdSHL	IRC is so good
2023-11-08 19:21:10	Edu4rdSHL	No stickers
2023-11-08 19:21:16	Edu4rdSHL	No distracting things
2023-11-08 19:21:21	Edu4rdSHL	Only text, as it should be
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2023-11-08 19:22:34	teraflops	!emojibeam | rainbow
2023-11-08 19:22:35	phrik	😀😬😁😂😃😄😅😆😇😉😊🙂☺😋😌😍😘😗😙😚😜😝😛😎😏😶😐😑😒😳😞😟😠😡😔😕🙁☹😣😖😫👍👎👊✊✌👌✋👐💪🙏☝👆👇👈👉🖕
2023-11-08 19:22:35	phrik	🖐🖖✍💅👄👅👂👃
2023-11-08 19:22:54	grym	right, text.
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2023-11-08 19:23:24	ℹ 	justThanks es conocido ahora como justTesting
2023-11-08 19:24:04	susi	colorful boxes, nice
2023-11-08 19:24:11	MrElendig	is technically text
2023-11-08 19:24:39	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL slaps teraflops
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2023-11-08 19:24:42	mpan	Meanwhile grub updates keep warn the user that config should be regenerated and loader reinstalled. Is this still relevant or a warning to people, who did not update system for half a year?
2023-11-08 19:25:04	llanhmock	can 
2023-11-08 19:25:48	brocellous	grub is so 90s
2023-11-08 19:26:03	brocellous	grub updates should warn the user to uninstall grub instead.
2023-11-08 19:26:07	mpan	Edu4rdSHL: wait until you learn there exist blink mIRC formatting code. ;)
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2023-11-08 19:27:06	MrElendig	https://imgur.com/EsC9XIh.png
2023-11-08 19:27:16	MrElendig	yay for vastly different rendering in different terminals
2023-11-08 19:27:39	grym	MrElendig: well.  you can say that about "normal" text too
2023-11-08 19:28:07	mpan	<https://i.imgur.com/e8bgAwz.png> (delivering just to make people aware, how different their text may look to others)
2023-11-08 19:28:19	MrElendig	I kinda like the rainbow in konsole, but then again it sucks horribly for most other emojis
2023-11-08 19:28:25	MrElendig	and when you don't | rainbow :p
2023-11-08 19:28:41	grym	font choice is user freedom!
2023-11-08 19:28:47	llanhmock	May I have some advice on getting apparmor enabled? I figured the hardened kernel would have it loaded but I guess not. Im not sure how to add it to the kernel parameter, i.e lsm= 
2023-11-08 19:29:17	MrElendig	llanhmock: wiki works, but arch doesn't have anywhere near complete profile coverage
2023-11-08 19:29:27	MrElendig	so its not quite as useful as one would think
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2023-11-08 19:29:35	llanhmock	bummer
2023-11-08 19:29:45	llanhmock	and thanks MrElendig 
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2023-11-08 19:29:58	MrElendig	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_parameters
2023-11-08 19:29:59	phrik	Title: Kernel parameters - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-11-08 19:30:07	llanhmock	MrElendig: already there...
2023-11-08 19:30:19	MrElendig	that tells you how to add it to your bootloader
2023-11-08 19:30:50	brocellous	yeah idk without profile coverage apparmor seems pretty worthless
2023-11-08 19:30:52	MrElendig	for grub you can also edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg directly if you are not autogenerating it
2023-11-08 19:31:15	MrElendig	brocellous: can still be useful for locking down specific services/apps somewhat
2023-11-08 19:31:27	brocellous	ig
2023-11-08 19:31:30	MrElendig	*coughSNAPcough*
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2023-11-08 19:47:34	CarloWood	What was the magic incantation again to test if the currently loaded nvidia kernel module matches what I have installed (aka, I didn't reboot after updating nvidia)?
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2023-11-08 19:56:10	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-11-08 19:56:10	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1387 apodos (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1387 regular)
2023-11-08 19:56:12	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-11-08 19:58:28	CarloWood	brocellous: oh, .. well, so there *is* a mismatch. I didn't reboot, I suppose I should try that first. The actual error I am running into was: https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/issues/1742
2023-11-08 19:59:03	CarloWood	Silly people only talk about add "--skip-torch-cuda-test" and then others are happy "Oh that worked!".
2023-11-08 19:59:14	CarloWood	Nevermind that now it runs on the CPU and 10 times slower.
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2023-11-08 19:59:33	CarloWood	I reinstalled the python venv just now, and the error went away.
2023-11-08 19:59:57	CarloWood	oh ... it didn't.
2023-11-08 19:59:58	CarloWood	sigh
2023-11-08 20:00:47	CarloWood	I'll have to try a reboot - but in the middle of compiling something large :/.
2023-11-08 20:01:01	ℹ 	Anaphaxeton es conocido ahora como Anaphaxaway
2023-11-08 20:01:18	brocellous	you cannot load the new nvidia module without rebooting
2023-11-08 20:01:22	brocellous	not easily anyway
2023-11-08 20:01:28	brocellous	b/c you'd have to unload the old one first
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2023-11-08 20:01:48	CarloWood	The compile failed :( .. might as well reboot now. bbl
2023-11-08 20:03:13	CarloWood	==> Appending keys from archlinux.gpg...
2023-11-08 20:03:13	CarloWood	gpg: public key DB323392796CA067 is 3037 days newer than the signature
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2023-11-08 20:05:50	susi	carpenter: https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/ql4j82/gpg_public_key_db323392796ca067_is_3037_days/
2023-11-08 20:05:51	phrik	Title: gpg: public key DB323392796CA067 is 3037 days newer than the signature : archlinux (at www.reddit.com)
2023-11-08 20:06:06	susi	what's funny is that it's 2 yr ago
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2023-11-08 20:07:16	susi	oh, carlowood left, that's why tab-completion failed :)
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2023-11-08 20:09:55	furrykef	That would do it.
2023-11-08 20:11:16	susi	does anyone have any explanation for this 3037 days newer than issue? it seems to have happened exactly like this multiple times in the past, for multiple people
2023-11-08 20:12:12	susi	same key, same number of days, time span t-2a..t-0
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2023-11-09 17:06:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-11-09 17:06:45	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1393 apodos (2 ops, 0 voiced, 1391 regular)
2023-11-09 00:40:28	llanhmock	Hopefully you've learned something along the way
2023-11-09 00:42:22	DarQ	I did \:D
2023-11-09 00:43:03	DarQ	I kinda wanna take a course on how operating systems work now
2023-11-09 00:44:29	bswartz	DarQ: I highly recommend a college-level OS course
2023-11-09 00:45:06	MacGyver	I don't if you want to learn "how not to screw up your partition".
2023-11-09 00:45:10	MacGyver	We don't teach that.
2023-11-09 00:45:58	DarQ	Lmao
2023-11-09 00:46:58	Repentinus	MacGyver, more of a topic for a course on backups? ;-)
2023-11-09 00:47:47	MacGyver	Repentinus: Oh man, I *wish* we had a course on backups that took the form of sneaking around and randomly wiping students writing their thesis' laptops.
2023-11-09 00:48:19	MacGyver	As it stands, all we get is a once-in-a-decade ransomwaring of a neighbouring university.
2023-11-09 01:35:58	MacGyver	Hmm.
2023-11-09 01:36:02	MacGyver	128 tesseract-data providers.
2023-11-09 01:36:05	MacGyver	Can I only install one?
2023-11-09 01:36:17	MacGyver	Because it would make sense to select both English and Dutch, for me.
2023-11-09 01:36:36	Scimmia	you can install as many as you like
2023-11-09 01:37:09	MacGyver	Just not in the "Enter a number" pacman prompt when first resolving it?
2023-11-09 01:37:38	Scimmia	yeah, pacman just makes sure the dep is satisfied, so just the one there afaik
2023-11-09 01:37:43	MacGyver	Check.
2023-11-09 01:37:44	Repentinus	1 7
2023-11-09 01:38:00	Repentinus	Replace with actual numbers you want.
2023-11-09 01:38:21	Scimmia	I know groups work that way, didn't think that deps did, but I could be wrong
2023-11-09 01:38:56	Repentinus	I may be wrong too. If I am, get the other one with `pacman -S name --asdeps`.
2023-11-09 01:39:15	MacGyver	Repentinus: Doesn't work.
2023-11-09 01:39:22	MacGyver	Repentinus: And yeah, that was the plan, thanks for the suggestion.
2023-11-09 01:39:41	MacGyver	Next problem, pacman -Syu jdk-openjdk as per https://archlinux.org/news/incoming-changes-in-jdk-jre-21-packages-may-require-manual-intervention/ still results in a conflict.
2023-11-09 01:39:42	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Incoming changes in JDK / JRE 21 packages may require manual intervention (at archlinux.org)
2023-11-09 01:40:04	Repentinus	Drop the -yu, iirc.
2023-11-09 01:40:11	Scimmia	yeah, some people have been having to do -S jdk-openjdk; -u
2023-11-09 01:40:37	Scimmia	and since the databases have already updated, -S is essentially -Sy
2023-11-09 01:40:41	MacGyver	Hmyep.
2023-11-09 01:40:52	MacGyver	Weird.
2023-11-09 01:41:00	MacGyver	Not the essential -Sy part, I get that.
2023-11-09 01:41:12	MacGyver	Just that it does work if I just drop the -u.
2023-11-09 01:42:10	Scimmia	it's something not working with the dep resolution, it doesn't recognize that the new package provides java-environment and wants to keep the jre
2023-11-09 01:42:14	Repentinus	I think it can pull whatever jre you had in the list of targets with u and then find the explicit target and the u targets conflict as it attempts to install them at the same time.
2023-11-09 01:42:57	Scimmia	that could be it, too. Haven't seen a --debug log of the issue yet
2023-11-09 01:43:00	MacGyver	Could be worth updating in the news, dunno how prevalent the issue is.
2023-11-09 01:43:09	MacGyver	Scimmia: Whelp, too late now, should've said that :P
2023-11-09 01:45:31	Scimmia	if I was that interested, it wouldn't take much to set up a vm from the archive and recreate it
2023-11-09 01:45:51	Scimmia	or just a chroot, really, don't need a full vm
2023-11-09 01:58:44	alip	hello everyone, this is some sort of a weird announcement. i'm writing an application sandbox for Linux in rust called syd, https://crates.io/crates/syd, to have some fun and crowdsourced fuzzing, i've created a CTF game, ssh to syd.chesswob.org with user/pass syd and try to read the file /etc/CTF. There's a 100€ reward if you read the file and document how you broke the sandbox :-)
2023-11-09 02:07:22	mpan	!ops
2023-11-09 02:07:22	phrik	alad, amcrae, gehidore/man, grawity, heftig, jelle, MrElendig/Mion, Namarrgon, tigrmesh/tigr, wonder/ioni
2023-11-09 02:28:35	topcat001	I'd rather watch star wars in text mode.
2023-11-09 02:28:51	grym	telnet time 
2023-11-09 02:29:02	Psi-Jack	topcat001: That..... Can be arranged.
2023-11-09 02:29:03	topcat001	:)
2023-11-09 03:28:36	@gehidore	and still managed to feed the baby with the other hand
2023-11-09 04:59:06	Edu4rdSHL	gehidore, practice makes the master
2023-11-09 05:44:51	tijko	heillo
2023-11-09 05:45:27	mefistofeles	!give tijko welcomerpg
2023-11-09 05:45:28	phrik	tijko: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you deleted your precious data today.
2023-11-09 05:47:23	tijko	phrik don't you have some deadlock to endlessly cycle on?
2023-11-09 05:47:24	phrik	tijko: BLEEP BLOOP
2023-11-09 05:47:47	tijko	phrik good one now does p = np
2023-11-09 05:47:48	phrik	tijko: The answer is 42.
2023-11-09 05:48:32	tijko	phrik I just went to run an update
2023-11-09 05:48:33	phrik	tijko: Is that… Is that really a word?
2023-11-09 05:48:57	tijko	when `sudo pacman -Syu` started I got the original "sudo" message
2023-11-09 05:49:05	tijko	Like that Uncle-Ben SPiderman thing
2023-11-09 05:49:20	tijko	With the "Great Responsibility" thing
2023-11-09 05:52:14	tijko	So why would typing sudo all of a sudden give the original prompt
2023-11-09 05:52:31	tijko	I have had this machine and system for almost 10yrs now
2023-11-09 05:53:51	tijko	and suddenly the sudo command just replied with the "#1 Respect the Privacy of Others #2 Think before You Type #3 With Great power comes great responsibility"
2023-11-09 05:54:28	Edu4rdSHL	tijko, because you replaced the sudoers file with a new one maybe?
2023-11-09 05:55:37	tijko	Nope
2023-11-09 05:56:05	Edu4rdSHL	pacman -Qkk sudo
2023-11-09 05:57:17	tijko	It sounds really strange 
2023-11-09 05:57:24	tijko	[tijko@tijko ~]$ pacman -Qkk sudo
2023-11-09 05:57:25	tijko	backup file: sudo: /etc/sudoers (Modification time mismatch)
2023-11-09 05:57:25	tijko	backup file: sudo: /etc/sudoers (Size mismatch)
2023-11-09 05:57:25	tijko	warning: sudo: /etc/sudoers (failed to calculate MD5 checksum)
2023-11-09 05:57:25	tijko	warning: sudo: /etc/sudoers (failed to calculate SHA256 checksum)
2023-11-09 05:57:27	tijko	sudo: 239 total files, 1 altered file
2023-11-09 05:57:29	tijko	[tijko@tijko ~]$
2023-11-09 05:57:51	tijko	I checked .bash_history
2023-11-09 05:58:29	Edu4rdSHL	command -v sudo
2023-11-09 05:58:30	tijko	That brought nothing...covering their steps I see...
2023-11-09 05:58:55	tijko	Edu4rdSHL /usr/bin/sudo
2023-11-09 06:01:30	tijko	I already can tell some very shady stuff happened here
2023-11-09 06:01:46	tijko	It's not surprising I will need to be going very far away again.
2023-11-09 06:02:16	tijko	I'm going to do a backup and then re-install
2023-11-09 06:04:11	Edu4rdSHL	My guess is still that simply aomw file was replaced/deleted
2023-11-09 06:04:17	Edu4rdSHL	some*
2023-11-09 06:11:35	tijko	Edu4rdSHL exactly
2023-11-09 06:13:43	espresso	I did have sudo do that to me just a few days ago, without any apparent changes on my part. My sudoers would be unmodified as I use a sudoers.d
2023-11-09 06:18:20	⚡ 	espresso fails to recall where 'User Read the Uncle Ben To Spiderman Message' is stored
2023-11-09 06:22:46	espresso	ah, something like ~/.sudo_as_admin_successful ..but I could have already changed that behavior here
2023-11-09 07:55:43	irc_standardnick	I have a custom background set on lightdm. It shows up nicely in the background when Choosing "Other" user option in lightdm but immediately switches to default when I choose my user Id. Also, is there a way to remove the manual login option? I tried disabling the allow-manual-login toggle in lightdm.conf file but to no effect.
2023-11-09 08:10:27	astralc	which greeter?
2023-11-09 08:10:51	irc_standardnick	lightdm
2023-11-09 08:11:00	astralc	which lightdm greeter?
2023-11-09 08:11:57	irc_standardnick	gtk-greeter? That's the most common, right.
2023-11-09 08:12:14	astralc	I think it is the common
2023-11-09 08:12:56	irc_standardnick	My background image is being registered alright since it is being shown when I choose 'other user' option in lightdm. but when i choose my user ID, it switches back to default image
2023-11-09 08:13:16	astralc	disable user-background
2023-11-09 08:21:29	susi	ideas about why NetworkManager kinda often fails to connect to mobile hotspots with reason 'no secrets: no agents were available for this request" / "Passwords or encryption keys are required to access the wireless network ..'
2023-11-09 08:29:20	susi	then, maybe after some time or multiple tries, it connects
2023-11-09 09:18:36	jelle	bonk
2023-11-09 09:27:59	grawity	susi: what desktop environment are you running in?
2023-11-09 09:39:42	bluetail	pretty certain its i3-wm but :)
2023-11-09 09:41:34	susi	grawity: none
2023-11-09 09:41:48	susi	I use just nmcli to control it, no applets or such
2023-11-09 09:41:59	susi	wpa_supplicant backend
2023-11-09 09:44:05	susi	in .nmconnection file for all those connections I have key-mgmt=wpa-psk and psk=....
2023-11-09 09:44:50	susi	so I'm not sure even what agent it's even talking about
2023-11-09 09:52:40	enoq	mkinitcpio race fix still not live?
2023-11-09 09:53:01	enoq	booted into a broken system again today
2023-11-09 09:53:07	Foxboron	enoq: which race condition?
2023-11-09 09:53:19	enoq	sort: cannot read: '/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:08.1/0000:0c:00.3/usb3/3-3/3-3:1.3/ep_86/uevent': No such file or directory
2023-11-09 09:53:49	Foxboron	Merged but no release yet, probably doing it this weekend
2023-11-09 09:53:54	enoq	thank you
2023-11-09 09:54:06	nl6720	Foxboron: it's not yet merged
2023-11-09 09:54:14	Foxboron	nl6720: oh, you are right
2023-11-09 09:58:08	dviola	enoq: I got hit by that one as well
2023-11-09 09:58:21	dviola	oh, there is a fix?
2023-11-09 09:58:40	enoq	yeah and a pretty simple fix as well
2023-11-09 09:58:48	dviola	nice
2023-11-09 09:59:37	enoq	it's a classic "let's get a list of files and do something with them" thing
2023-11-09 10:00:00	enoq	so file can be deleted during that, leading to the error
2023-11-09 10:02:14	nl6720	enoq, dviola: the "fix" would land sooner if more affected people would test it
2023-11-09 10:02:45	nl6720	it's mkinitcpio!266 for reference
2023-11-09 10:02:46	phrik	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/mkinitcpio/mkinitcpio/-/merge_requests/266 - install/autodetect: try to avoid a race condition with udev (!266) · Merge requests · Arch Linux / Mkinitcpio / mkinitcpio · GitLab
2023-11-09 10:03:04	Foxboron	It's not a "simple fix", fwiw. There is a hack to get around the fact that udev doesn't do what it should
2023-11-09 10:03:19	Foxboron	If it's actually simple, please go patch udev.
2023-11-09 10:03:53	dviola	nl6720: I don't know how to reproduce or I'd test it
2023-11-09 10:04:26	nl6720	dviola: reinstalling the systemd package should trigger it
2023-11-09 10:05:09	nl6720	if you want, you can use https://gitlab.archlinux.org/-/snippets/3679 to test the fix
2023-11-09 10:05:10	phrik	Title: mkinitcpio + MR 266 PKGBUILD ($3679) · Snippets · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2023-11-09 10:05:27	enoq	ah I see, it's now trying 3 times until it fails
2023-11-09 10:05:40	dviola	nl6720: ok, I'll try it later today and report back
2023-11-09 10:05:46	Foxboron	dviola: thanks!
2023-11-09 10:30:26	dviola	looks like there have been attempts to fix similar issues: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/19221
2023-11-09 10:30:32	dviola	are those related?
2023-11-09 10:58:37	dviola	different issue it seems
2023-11-09 11:11:46	dviola	Lennart objected to "blindly retrying udev" and that is essentially what this workaround in mkinitcpio does?
2023-11-09 11:12:33	dviola	just trying to understand...
2023-11-09 11:15:55	roxlu	Hi, a couple of days ago I did a full update and I ran into some issues which were fixed by running `mkinitcpi -p linux`. Though I just noticed that my samba server can't start anymore. I found this post which seems to describe a similar issue: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=245050  That posts describes that `/` is not owned by root which is also the case for me. I'm curious how
2023-11-09 11:15:57	roxlu	something like that can happen? Did I maybe ran a `chown` by accident? (I guess I would have remembered that)
2023-11-09 11:15:57	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] samba fails to create the folder /var/run/samba / Networking, Server, and Protection / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2023-11-09 11:40:30	MrElendig	typoed in a space possibly
2023-11-09 11:50:51	enoq	dviola, lennart wants to fix things properly even if it means breaking systems for now
2023-11-09 11:51:12	enoq	it's a trade-off; too many workarounds make things hard to reason about
2023-11-09 11:52:57	enoq	retrying in general is better than nothing but it won't save you if the stars align
2023-11-09 11:55:21	ecraven	hm.. if I chmod g+s, should *all* directories nested inside that directory inherit the group, or only *direct* children?
2023-11-09 11:55:36	ecraven	I'd like *all* (even deeply nested) directories to inherit the group (and the g+s bit)
2023-11-09 12:04:32	roxlu	MrElendig: yeah probably :), I fixed the ownership and things are working again.
2023-11-09 12:10:49	dviola	enoq: right, well, I am not opposed to this workaround in mkinitcpio if it means it will avoid the issue for archlinux users, I hope the issue will get fixed in udev eventually
2023-11-09 13:12:58	dviola	nl6720, Foxboron: I tried to reproduce the install/autodetect issue and no luck
2023-11-09 13:13:16	dviola	reinstalled the systemd package a bunch of times and no issues
2023-11-09 13:14:18	nl6720	!shrug
2023-11-09 13:14:20	phrik	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2023-11-09 13:14:23	dviola	races are hard to fix for this reason I guess
2023-11-09 13:14:31	nl6720	one of the reasons this issue is sort hard to catch
2023-11-09 13:14:39	nl6720	s/sort/so/
2023-11-09 13:14:53	bluetail	dviola how many races are there?
2023-11-09 13:15:07	bluetail	and whose would you fix?
2023-11-09 13:15:23	bluetail	Maybe I just misunderstood
2023-11-09 13:15:46	bluetail	or maybe you mean race-condition
2023-11-09 13:15:58	dviola	yes, race condition
2023-11-09 13:17:10	nl6720	bluetail: in case that was an genuine question instead of a trolling attempt, the topic in question is mkinitcpio!266
2023-11-09 13:17:11	phrik	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/mkinitcpio/mkinitcpio/-/merge_requests/266 - install/autodetect: try to avoid a race condition with udev (!266) · Merge requests · Arch Linux / Mkinitcpio / mkinitcpio · GitLab
2023-11-09 13:18:14	bluetail	nl6720 thanks. I had many times where running mkinitcpio destroyed the boot sometimes, but not in all kernels. It was kinda random
2023-11-09 13:18:38	bluetail	but I kinda think it was my ssds
2023-11-09 13:18:49	bluetail	I had one of these 970 evo plus ssds
2023-11-09 13:18:55	bluetail	well, multiple
2023-11-09 13:23:32	dviola	nl6720: I would like to suggest going to the bottom of the issue, perhaps there is a way to reproduce and fix the underlying issue?
2023-11-09 13:24:07	nl6720	I've never had the issue myself, so it's not something I can help with
2023-11-09 13:29:53	dviola	nl6720: here it happened only once: http://0x0.st/HOo-.log
2023-11-09 13:53:01	another|	dviola: fixing races is illegal /s
2023-11-09 13:53:51	dviola	rewrite them in rust! /s
2023-11-09 14:08:34	dviola	:D
2023-11-09 14:13:16	madlad	Why does rust get made fun of so much? (Actual question.)
2023-11-09 14:23:53	dviola	madlad: good question, I've nothing against it
2023-11-09 14:31:03	chiselfuse	:: jdk-openjdk and jre-openjdk are in conflict
2023-11-09 14:31:15	chiselfuse	what does it mean for these to be in conflict? they're two different packages
2023-11-09 14:31:22	chiselfuse	i couldn't find info on wiki
2023-11-09 14:31:30	mkoskar	chiselfuse: see arch news
2023-11-09 14:39:43	Khorne	madlad, because crustaceans love to redo everything because rust is $moarbetter
2023-11-09 14:42:15	alad	madlad: why are you mad >: |
2023-11-09 14:42:45	Khorne	why are you a
2023-11-09 14:42:50	madlad	we're all mad here
2023-11-09 14:42:59	alad	Khorne: wowowo
2023-11-09 14:43:14	alad	Khorne: I am adidas not a
2023-11-09 14:43:23	Khorne	adidos, only real with the 4 stripes
2023-11-09 14:43:34	alad	lol
2023-11-09 14:44:50	NetSysFire	alod
2023-11-09 14:46:47	alad	alot
2023-11-09 14:49:58	chiselfuse	a lad
2023-11-09 14:52:22	Namarrgon	mad-a-lad ding dong! mad-a-lad ding ding dong!
2023-11-09 14:56:54	mingdao	chiselfuse: When you run `pacman -R jre-openjdk jre-openjdk-headless' it will tell you which pkgs depend on them.  This worked for me https://0x0.st/HtMw.txt
2023-11-09 15:09:11	archetech_	inxi -S
2023-11-09 15:10:05	archetech_	Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 5.27.80 Distro: Arch Linux   Alpha tballs  fixed my menu  ;)
2023-11-09 15:10:16	grinja	Seeing many distros removing X11, but I still have issues on Gnome Wayland on Nvidia. I hope I have all env vars set. Some windows flickering, menu dropdowns are dissapearing, window overlays flicker (url link in browser), window shadow is flickering and so on. Mostly issues are for Steam (flatpak or native), Brave (flatpak). Firefox native looks ok now. Could be that issues are mostly from
2023-11-09 15:10:16	grinja	flatpak apps.
2023-11-09 15:10:19	grinja	Not sure where to start debugging. What I don't understand is distros are pushing flatpak and wayland, but most issues are comming from there. My install is old, but I hope to fix it without reinstalling (I refuse to fix by reinstalling, for now).
2023-11-09 15:12:15	farkenvoid	wayland reminds me of the ending of The Fifth Element where they're in the regen tube
2023-11-09 15:13:13	NetSysFire	grinja: i would start by asking in #sway - if you are in luck the devs will chime in with quality debugging hints
2023-11-09 15:13:30	NetSysFire	and i doubt an old install can be the issue - unless you got conflicting drivers or something similar
2023-11-09 15:14:37	grinja	using gnome session, but I have sway and hyprland installed. By "old" install I want to say there was lot of tweaking, testing and so on
2023-11-09 15:15:06	grinja	also, many things moved to systemd so not sure if all settings are read from correct place
2023-11-09 15:15:16	NetSysFire	systemd wont affect all this
2023-11-09 15:15:27	NetSysFire	systemd is mostly there to start and manage processes
2023-11-09 15:15:46	grinja	also reading env vars is now systemd
2023-11-09 15:16:10	dviola	I like systemd
2023-11-09 15:16:13	NetSysFire	same
2023-11-09 15:16:18	grinja	had some quirks... but probably not graphic related
2023-11-09 15:16:39	NetSysFire	but i fail to see how env vars, unless they specifically affect video output, are relevant here
2023-11-09 15:17:07	grinja	reading arch docs there are some env vars that had to be set
2023-11-09 15:17:15	grinja	not sure if that is still the case
2023-11-09 15:17:26	NetSysFire	i am not too familiar with wayland but i would really ask the people behind your compositor since they will be familiar with all the subsystems
2023-11-09 15:20:02	grinja	OZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 
2023-11-09 15:20:04	grinja	GDK_BACKEND=wayland
2023-11-09 15:20:06	grinja	 GDK_DEBUG=portals
2023-11-09 15:20:08	grinja	 
2023-11-09 15:20:10	grinja	SDL_VIDEODRIVER="wayland;x11"
2023-11-09 15:20:12	grinja	# nvidia - set in ./hypr/hyprland.conf
2023-11-09 15:20:15	grinja	 LIBVA_DRIVER_NAME=nvidia
2023-11-09 15:20:16	grinja	# remove if Firefox crashes
2023-11-09 15:20:17	NetSysFire	oh no
2023-11-09 15:20:19	grinja	 GBM_BACKEND=nvidia-drm
2023-11-09 15:20:19	NetSysFire	stop
2023-11-09 15:20:21	grinja	 __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia
2023-11-09 15:32:14	alad	!grab Namarrgon
2023-11-09 15:32:14	phrik	alad: Tada!
2023-11-09 15:39:15	astralc	!q
2023-11-09 15:39:15	phrik	astralc: q <an alias on #archlinux, 1 argument>
2023-11-09 15:39:24	astralc	!q Namarrgon 
2023-11-09 15:39:24	phrik	astralc: <Namarrgon> mad-a-lad ding dong! mad-a-lad ding ding dong!
2023-11-09 16:04:18	Trel	Isn't Phrik Mab's servant guy in the Sam Neil "Merlin"?
2023-11-09 16:14:17	phrik	No, phrik is phrak's bot.
2023-11-09 16:31:52	Trel	I looked it up, same pronunciation but "Frik"
2023-11-09 16:32:17	grym	frik and frack, the clappett brothers
2023-11-09 16:37:57	Earnestly	phrikachu
2023-11-09 16:38:46	Hunker	Hi, at every session at some time lately my wifi dongel(i think) bums out and iwctl can't find any device. Can this be solved by reloading a module? I tried to remove and then reload rt73usb
2023-11-09 16:38:58	Hunker	my system then froze
2023-11-09 16:50:02	espresso	Hey Hunker. Hm, could https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Iwd#Troubleshooting be any help?
2023-11-09 16:50:03	phrik	Title: iwd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-11-09 16:51:38	DarQ	why is there a huge ass gap in the arch linux archive for the lts kernel between 4.19.99 and 5.10.16? https://archive.archlinux.org/packages/l/linux-lts/
2023-11-09 16:51:39	phrik	Title: Index of /packages/l/linux-lts/ (at archive.archlinux.org)
2023-11-09 16:52:23	Earnestly	To offend our sense of aesthetics
2023-11-09 16:53:03	espresso	Hunker or https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration/Wireless#Troubleshooting ? At least your model does not have warnings :)
2023-11-09 16:53:04	phrik	Title: Network configuration/Wireless - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-11-09 16:54:44	Hunker	thanks
2023-11-09 16:58:37	Apollo	I need a reccomendation for an external GPU for my Thinkpad T480s. I have 3 monitors (including the built in screen), and things get really choppy when I try to play minecraft while watching a video. I dont want to spend an arm and a leg, but I'd like to do some light gaming while watching a video and working on other tasks. Any reccomendations?
2023-11-09 16:58:57	espresso	Hunker: I am not very experienced with linux wireless, or I could probe more about the problem, other than check journalctl and don't have multiple wireless managers.. :/
2023-11-09 16:59:09	Namarrgon	DarQ: the -lts package doesn't immediately switch to a different branch once it is declared "lts" upstream
2023-11-09 16:59:52	Erus_Iluvatar	He's right though, there was a 5.4 kernel as lts at some point 
2023-11-09 17:01:03	Erus_Iluvatar	Looks like the whole end of 2020 is missing 
2023-11-09 17:01:14	Betal	DarQ, Erus_Iluvatar: 5.10 < 5.4 if you sort
2023-11-09 17:01:20	DarQ	what's "upstream"?
2023-11-09 17:01:24	Betal	5.4 is in the end of the list
2023-11-09 17:01:37	Namarrgon	oh, i think i misunderstood the question
2023-11-09 17:01:39	Erus_Iluvatar	Duh thanks Betal 
2023-11-09 17:01:46	Namarrgon	DarQ: kernel.org
2023-11-09 17:01:47	DarQ	ohhh
2023-11-09 17:02:04	Erus_Iluvatar	Serves me right for looking at stuff from my phone 
2023-11-09 17:06:45	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-11-09 17:10:13	espresso	Apollo: Cards just over a decade old might handle HD video, but I guess I would also look up efficiency. AMD tend to be nicer to Linux. #hardware channel may also have some recommendations.
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2023-11-09 17:11:20	Apollo	Thanks. What size do you reccomend? 2GB? 4GB? 
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2023-11-09 17:12:15	Apollo	And you also said that AMD is nicer to linux.. I dont mind configuration at the first bit but I would like it to work reliably when I get it configured properly..
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2023-11-09 17:12:38	grym	Apollo: what data connection does your thinkpad have for egpu?
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2023-11-09 17:15:16	MrElendig	6600 for 100 bucks
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2023-11-09 17:16:24	Apollo	I have a thunderbolt 3 port that works, as well as a secondary one that doesnt work (this is a common problem with this model). I also have an extra Mini PCIe port on the bottom..
2023-11-09 17:17:36	Apollo	The thunderbolt is connected to a Dell docking station as of now, and thats what I drive the main external monitor on (its 2k resolution) and I run my third monitor off of the built in hdmi port
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2023-11-09 17:18:16	espresso	Apollo: Nevermind; driver problems are unlikely to be so bad as to drive your decision. (Nvidia users can also use nouveau open-source driver which is fine for video)
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2023-11-09 17:18:56	Apollo	espresso: I have plenty of time, just not a lot of money, haha
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2023-11-09 17:19:47	espresso	Apollo: oh sure, cost-efficiency is important, and fortunately there are some relatively cheap cards that will do what you want just fine.
2023-11-09 17:20:20	grym	agreed, lots of price-sane things should be able to do this 
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2023-11-09 17:20:46	espresso	even if GPU prices are a bit high at the moment..
2023-11-09 17:20:47	DarQ	whoa
2023-11-09 17:21:04	DarQ	I think I just figured out a way to consistently cause those freezes
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2023-11-09 17:21:22	DarQ	I just need to stream 2k 60fps on discord and open godot LOL
2023-11-09 17:21:30	DarQ	this might not take two weeks after all
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2023-11-09 17:22:43	Apollo	The dell dock I have only drives the 2k screen. I have tried running the 3rd monitor off of the dock as well, but I'm guessing my thunderbolt3 controller is not powerful enough to handle that much I/O.
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2023-11-09 17:23:22	Apollo	I could always unplug my wifi module.. ethernet would be faster for internet connection speeds.. who needs wifi anyway ;)
2023-11-09 17:23:43	Apollo	That port could be used for a eGPU possibly..
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2023-11-09 17:27:36	espresso	Apollo: haha, I go with ethernet hardwire if it means we have to navigate around them until they're properly secured.
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2023-11-09 17:29:56	grym	workstation life is still pretty good
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2023-11-09 17:33:00	Betal	espresso: still waiting nvidia to fix their drivers (about wayland), imagine having the fix but don't release, https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/cs2-stuck-on-valve-logo-on-startup-545-beta-branch/269778/16 , so yes, sometimes people might consider driver in their hardware decision
2023-11-09 17:33:01	phrik	Title: CS2 Stuck on Valve Logo on startup 545 beta branch - #16 by ekurzinger - Linux - NVIDIA Developer Forums (at forums.developer.nvidia.com)
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2023-11-09 17:33:19	grym	i'm on xorg not wayland for the forseeable future
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2023-11-09 17:33:32	grym	i need the full-fat nvidia drivers for work, so.  
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2023-11-09 17:33:40	⚡ 	grym hugs i3
2023-11-09 17:34:09	grym	(yes, i get to run arch at work)
2023-11-09 17:34:15	Apollo	Lucky you
2023-11-09 17:34:25	grym	oh for sure
2023-11-09 17:34:53	grym	hashtag blessed hashtag research
2023-11-09 17:35:16	Apollo	Does IT get after you at all or do they trust the rolling release model enough for the scope of your work?
2023-11-09 17:35:40	grym	i have local root, IT doesn't
2023-11-09 17:35:43	MacGyver	Apollo: You overestimate the amount of control an IT department has at a university.
2023-11-09 17:35:44	espresso	Betal: Ah! Thanks; info noted
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2023-11-09 17:35:50	grym	MacGyver: also that :)
2023-11-09 17:36:01	grym	though i'm mostly private sector now and my comments apply to both
2023-11-09 17:36:07	MacGyver	Heh, fair.
2023-11-09 17:36:14	grym	(i have a uni appointment, it's just, uh, unfunded...)
2023-11-09 17:36:19	MacGyver	The argument "It's what I need for research and you're in my way" goes a looooong way.
2023-11-09 17:36:24	grym	it really does
2023-11-09 17:36:35	Apollo	I should try that
2023-11-09 17:36:37	grym	especially when your boss is the guy you had your first linux install party with 20 years ago
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2023-11-09 17:36:46	Apollo	That can help
2023-11-09 17:37:12	grym	(the production team at this company is permanently tied to windows, but.  hey.  REST <3 )
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2023-11-09 17:38:16	MacGyver	It also helps if the IT department is staffed with Linux nerds themselves.
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2023-11-09 17:38:39	MacGyver	Which, again, in research sectors is more likely.
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2023-11-09 18:59:08	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
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2023-11-09 18:00:09	espresso	NASA uses linux. None of that "Clippy here! It looks like you're doing some surgery.."
2023-11-09 18:03:28	mpan	If NASA does surgeries, I am getting worried.
2023-11-09 18:04:16	mpan	And do not laugh at Clippy! Or robits will turn you into a paperclip during the uprising. >:(
2023-11-09 18:08:51	nerdistmonk	man did a bad update come down the pipe this week? my monitors are stuck at 640x480 now in mirror mode. (im on amdgpu)
2023-11-09 18:11:05	farkenvoid	you're the only one that has notice... so far
2023-11-09 18:11:32	farkenvoid	I'm taking everything except kernel and video and no problems
2023-11-09 18:11:56	nerdistmonk	*except kernel and video...so basically the exact packages that would be responsible for this?
2023-11-09 18:12:10	farkenvoid	LOL, probably
2023-11-09 18:12:18	farkenvoid	I've learned my lesson
2023-11-09 18:12:38	farkenvoid	I have nvidia, so it's a little worse for me
2023-11-09 18:13:02	farkenvoid	hopefully Santa will bring me an amd gpu
2023-11-09 18:13:16	farkenvoid	I doubt it though
2023-11-09 18:13:26	mpan	6.6 line just hit the repos. Perhaps related? Any errors in the journal?
2023-11-09 18:13:27	nerdistmonk	how can it be worse than 640x480?
2023-11-09 18:13:46	farkenvoid	LOL
2023-11-09 18:13:56	farkenvoid	240x260
2023-11-09 18:13:59	farkenvoid	360
2023-11-09 18:14:08	farkenvoid	it can always be worse
2023-11-09 18:14:41	nerdistmonk	well the first log entry that is in red is "[drm:detect_link_and_local_sink [amdgpu]] *ERROR* No EDID read."
2023-11-09 18:14:44	mpan	nerdistmonk: given nVidia Zombie Apocalypse some years ago… it can be worse. Really. ;)
2023-11-09 18:15:06	mpan	nerdistmonk: that would match, as it indicates resolutions can’t be obtained from the monitor.
2023-11-09 18:15:49	nerdistmonk	so why did that suddenly become an issue?
2023-11-09 18:15:55	nerdistmonk	it was fine just before the update
2023-11-09 18:15:57	farkenvoid	umm
2023-11-09 18:15:59	Namarrgon	uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2023-11-09 18:16:29	nerdistmonk	6.6.1-zen1-1-zen
2023-11-09 18:17:04	nerdistmonk	error package "linux" was not found, im not using the bone stock kernel, its the zen variant.
2023-11-09 18:17:13	Namarrgon	pacman -Q linux-zen
2023-11-09 18:17:29	nerdistmonk	pacman -Q linux-zen
2023-11-09 18:17:31	nerdistmonk	err
2023-11-09 18:17:36	nerdistmonk	linux-zen 6.6.1.zen1-1
2023-11-09 18:17:44	nerdistmonk	man this computer is a total hooptie....
2023-11-09 18:17:50	Namarrgon	is the amdgpu module loaded?
2023-11-09 18:20:20	nerdistmonk	i can't see a damn thing at this resolution, whats the command for listing running modules?
2023-11-09 18:20:45	Namarrgon	lsmod | grep amdgpu
2023-11-09 18:21:01	Namarrgon	unplug all displays but one and try again
2023-11-09 18:21:11	nerdistmonk	amdgpu              13197312  10
2023-11-09 18:21:27	nerdistmonk	got like 10 other things below it
2023-11-09 18:21:38	nerdistmonk	stuff about drm this, ttm that, etc
2023-11-09 18:21:54	nerdistmonk	so it appears to be on.
2023-11-09 18:22:14	nerdistmonk	but if I reboot, xorg will start the monitors in mirrored mode, 640x480
2023-11-09 18:24:14	nerdistmonk	um ok, well that temporarily fixed the issue
2023-11-09 18:25:07	nerdistmonk	I pulled the hdmi cable from the back of the monitor, waited, then plugged it back in, my normal resolutions just came back.
2023-11-09 18:25:14	nerdistmonk	im sure that wouldn't last if I reboot though
2023-11-09 18:27:33	nerdistmonk	well first order of business will be to dig my last known good kernel out of storage and try to downgrade, see if the issue vanishes, that'll help me pinpoint the bad chow I downloaded today.
2023-11-09 18:29:06	nerdistmonk	or option #2, assume its an issue with the zen variant of the kernel and put the vanilla stock one back in
2023-11-09 18:31:26	nerdistmonk	brb
2023-11-09 18:40:40	nerdistmonk	problem solved.
2023-11-09 18:41:24	nerdistmonk	apparently arch became very allergic to one my older monitors after the update, easily rectified by yanking said monitor off monitor tree and depositing into nearby garbage recepticle.
2023-11-09 18:43:34	espresso	nerdistmonk: ouch.. Wouldn't we think the allergy would pass?
2023-11-09 18:43:46	nerdistmonk	doubt it
2023-11-09 18:44:00	MrElendig	broken edid is not that uncommon
2023-11-09 18:44:11	MrElendig	booting with video=... might help
2023-11-09 18:44:16	nerdistmonk	that monitor was OLD.....i mean were talking ancient, think VGA to HDMI to Displayport
2023-11-09 18:44:18	nerdistmonk	it needed to go
2023-11-09 18:44:36	MrElendig	broken edid is even more common with vga
2023-11-09 18:45:45	espresso	ah, then not really in the OSs court, right :)
2023-11-09 18:46:06	nerdistmonk	well something in the update caused it to become beligerant about it
2023-11-09 18:46:11	nerdistmonk	it -was- working before
2023-11-09 18:46:28	nerdistmonk	but its easier to just take crap monitor A and deposit into garbage can B
2023-11-09 18:47:16	thingfish	but now more money C must come out of bank account D if you want to replace it.
2023-11-09 18:47:42	thingfish	anyway.  Inelegant, yet effective solution.
2023-11-09 18:48:49	nerdistmonk	thingfish not really, i decided i don't like 3 monitors, 2 is enough
2023-11-09 18:49:03	nerdistmonk	at least I can still use my 1993 Stylewriter printer :D
2023-11-09 18:49:06	thingfish	ah
2023-11-09 18:49:22	nerdistmonk	though arch isn't technically managing that printer since it doesn't have any idea how to.
2023-11-09 18:51:23	nerdistmonk	anyways thanks to everyone for trying to assist
2023-11-09 18:59:08	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-11-09 19:15:36	ecraven	does docker under linux need (or can it even use) VT-d?
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2023-11-09 19:16:33	jelle	ecraven: it does not need VT-d
2023-11-09 19:16:40	jelle	it uses namespaces after all
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2023-11-09 19:18:17	another|	docker != VM
2023-11-09 19:19:15	jelle	well on windows it is :-)
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2023-11-09 19:21:07	ecraven	I just thought I'd ask, I'm no expert. to my understanding, VT-d is relevant for virtual machines, not containers, but what do I know :D
2023-11-09 19:21:13	ecraven	thanks for clearing this up!
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2023-11-12 13:04:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-11-12 13:04:30	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1377 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1376 regular)
2023-11-12 13:04:31	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-11-12 13:04:53	Tom^	Carbon_Monoxide: nvidia driver has been in a complete shitshow state for wayland ever since they began "supporting" it and still is, so no there isnt much todo
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2023-11-12 13:05:14	Tom^	use X or live with the various issues nvidia causes
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2023-11-12 13:07:07	Tom^	or sell that card and get a amd one
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2023-11-12 13:12:35	Carbon_Monoxide	Tom^: Thanks a lot! I will live with the issues on Wayland+NVIDIA for now. Nope, AMD has its own problem on Linux. Nothing superior. I have built-in AMD GPU on my processor which I can always switch to. I know the community hatred on NVIDIA even though it is trying to improve. But AMD wasn't perfectly nice to open source community on day 0.
2023-11-12 13:13:26	Tom^	Carbon_Monoxide: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1317 pretty much the biggest showstopper, then the various broken vulkan extensions doesnt help either
2023-11-12 13:13:31	phrik	Title: xwayland glamor renders incorrectly on nvidia (#1317) · Issues · xorg / xserver · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
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2023-11-12 13:15:01	Tom^	and isnt exactly limited to xwayland even if the bugreport is there. all about the time it takes for the gpu to render the buffer and the time the compositor reads the buffer. if the reads happends before the gpu is done, hello corruption
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2023-11-12 13:17:15	Tom^	as erik kurzinger says, "At the moment we don't have support for implicit buffer synchronization like the open-source stack does"
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2023-11-12 13:17:56	Carbon_Monoxide	Interestingly, I have problem with FireFox with Wayland|NVIDIAproprietary. But I don't have problem on LibreWolf, which is FireFox.
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2023-11-12 13:25:14	Carbon_Monoxide	Is there any pastebin equivalent for video sharing with expiry?
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2023-11-12 13:41:11	livi	tmpfiles maybe?
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2023-11-12 13:43:52	susi	0x0.st lets remove the upload
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2023-11-12 14:26:38	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-11-12 14:26:38	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1383 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1382 regular)
2023-11-12 14:26:33	wyre	even without the libFLAC.so.8 symlink
2023-11-12 14:26:41	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-11-12 14:26:51	wyre	so I guess I just can play this game from steam-runtime 
2023-11-12 14:27:05	wyre	which one is better? native or runtime? 
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2023-11-12 14:31:45	susi	wyre: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/w9r6a4/steam_runtime_or_steam_native_are_there_any_major/
2023-11-12 14:31:46	phrik	Title: Steam Runtime or Steam Native? Are there any major differences? : linux_gaming (at www.reddit.com)
2023-11-12 14:33:26	wyre	I see, ty susi :-) 
2023-11-12 14:33:40	wyre	also to Edu4rdSHL 😜
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2023-11-12 14:51:18	teraflops	wyre: o/
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2023-11-12 14:52:54	wyre	teraflops, ey! o/
2023-11-12 14:53:28	wyre	how are you!? 😊
2023-11-12 14:53:44	wyre	it's been a long time xD
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2023-11-13 20:12:23	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
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2023-11-13 18:14:02	skiz	even the wacom daemon is running etc. it just doesn't get detected by the program itself :/
2023-11-13 18:16:54	espresso	skiz: perhaps you have seen this, which may have tips. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Graphics_tablet
2023-11-13 18:16:55	phrik	Title: Graphics tablet - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-11-13 18:23:06	skiz	i figured it out by just installing opentabletdriver
2023-11-13 18:23:13	skiz	thx for the help anyways
2023-11-13 18:30:31	randomxusr	looking for suggestion. I'm planning to use either an nvme or vdi in oracle for a production env. Would like suggestions for keeping disk images between updates. Should I keep Vbox snapshots, or disk image backups? 
2023-11-13 18:30:51	randomxusr	**oracle virtualbox
2023-11-13 18:31:48	randomxusr	oh, and what tools might you recommend if I go with Disk Images?
2023-11-13 18:32:09	lmat	MrElendig: Committing genocide? Is that your dayjob?
2023-11-13 18:35:39	alad	lmat: what else do you expect from irc opers
2023-11-13 18:39:17	espresso	randomxusr: for my systems I just use https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Rsync#Full_system_backup and add --delete to update as a mirror. Have not done much https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Disk_cloning but there's that
2023-11-13 18:39:19	phrik	Title: rsync - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-11-13 18:39:49	MrElendig	lmat: dwarf fortress, all humans must die after one of their entertainers caused some strife in my inn
2023-11-13 18:41:15	alad	MrElendig: was it dandelion?
2023-11-13 18:43:13	randomxusr	espresso, I'll check the wiki for the disk cloning article and thanks. I was almost considering just using dd to an archive/tarbal... I haven't had to manage disk images before so a bit nervous.
2023-11-13 18:50:21	lmat	MrElendig: Nice.
2023-11-13 18:53:38	seventyfour	I'm interested in building a package in a clean chroot as if it was 1-1-2020
2023-11-13 18:54:01	seventyfour	Can anyone offer any tips on how to time travel like that?
2023-11-13 18:56:11	espresso	random-nick: Clonezilla seems frequently recommended and can partition clone as well, and I see others in Disk_cloning with nice features too, so I guess there are options :)
2023-11-13 18:56:11	Scimmia	you set your mirror to the archive for that day and pray you don't have gpg/signature issues
2023-11-13 18:56:27	MAST	maybe a dumb question: if i use bootsystemd instead of grub, i can still make a dual OS system?
2023-11-13 18:57:00	espresso	*sorry, mistaken nick; randomxusr had left
2023-11-13 18:57:09	MacGyver	MAST: systemd-boot, and yes.
2023-11-13 18:59:02	MacGyver	MAST: In fact, if you reuse the Windows ESP it shouldn't even require any configuration -- systemd-boot will, at boot time, check for the existence of the Windows bootloader and generate an entry on-the-fly.
2023-11-13 18:59:29	seventyfour	^this is how I do it
2023-11-13 18:59:48	MAST	MacGyver: thanks i was just asking for this
2023-11-13 19:01:26	seventyfour	`mkarchroot --date 1-1-2020` would be a cool feature
2023-11-13 19:01:26	MAST	MagGyver: what you wrote before also work for windows installed on a different physical drive?
2023-11-13 19:01:36	af	Hi, is it possible to tell xorg/i3 to always use the "spinning" pointer by default?
2023-11-13 19:09:13	MacGyver	MAST: No, but you can reuse the ESP on that physical drive to boot the linux on the other physical drive.
2023-11-13 19:09:32	MacGyver	MAST: As long as the kernel is on the ESP, systemd-boot can handle it.
2023-11-13 19:09:45	MacGyver	Or use a XBOOTLDR partition instead, if space is an issue.
2023-11-13 19:10:17	MacGyver	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot has all the details.
2023-11-13 19:10:19	phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-11-13 19:14:17	seventyfour	Scimmia: like this? `mkdir -p /tmp/timetravel && cp /etc/pacman.conf /tmp/timetravel/. && sed 's,/etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist,/tmp/timetravel/mirrorlist,g' -i /tmp/timetravel/pacman.conf && echo 'Server=https://archive.archlinux.org/repos/2020/01/01/$repo/os/$arch' > /tmp/timetravel/mirrorlist && mkarchroot -C /tmp/timetravel/pacman.conf
2023-11-13 19:14:17	seventyfour	/tmp/timetravel/chroot base-devel`
2023-11-13 20:12:23	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-11-13 20:39:22	Numero	just tried to use ogr2ogr from the gdal package and it threw "cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" errors for libpodofo.so.0.9.8, libarrow.so.1400, and libarrow_dataset.so.1400. I installed podofo but what i got was version 0.10.2-1. 
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2023-11-14 17:48:31	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
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2023-11-14 17:46:41	wrs	grondilu, take a look at https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html it lets you use one USB stick for multiple OS installer ISOs, as well as any other files you want
2023-11-14 17:46:43	phrik	Title: Ventoy (at www.ventoy.net)
2023-11-14 17:47:05	Betal	I used to have 2 arch installations in past, so I could chroot from the 2nd install instead of using an USB. But given the main arch hardly get broken (that I can't fix with linux-lts if linux is broken), I dumped the 2nd install and now I do the USB archiso route if needed
2023-11-14 17:48:31	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2023-11-14 17:49:13	grondilu	nah I totally forgot that I may need an emergency solution in case things go south, so I'll definitely buy a USB stick.
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2023-11-14 17:49:32	grondilu	thanks for reminding me
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2023-11-14 18:04:21	ℹ 	m47 es conocido ahora como m257
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2023-11-14 18:12:12	ℹ 	m257 es conocido ahora como Guest6463
2023-11-14 18:12:12	ℹ 	m77 es conocido ahora como m257
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2023-11-14 18:14:26	ℹ 	slowjo_ es conocido ahora como slowjo
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2023-11-14 18:22:37	wrs	What can I do when I use 'pacman -S' to install a package, but it is unavailable on the mirrors because it has been updated.
2023-11-14 18:22:52	ℹ 	m16 es conocido ahora como m257
2023-11-14 18:23:07	Namarrgon	-Syu <pkg>
2023-11-14 18:23:22	wrs	That will upgrade my whole system, is that my only choice?
2023-11-14 18:23:31	ℹ 	Anaphaxeton es conocido ahora como Anaphaxaway
2023-11-14 18:23:34	Namarrgon	partial updates are not supported, yes
2023-11-14 18:24:00	Namarrgon	404s could also hint at a broken mirror but that's slightly less common
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2023-11-14 18:26:54	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_maintenance#Avoid_certain_pacman_commands
2023-11-14 18:26:55	phrik	Title: System maintenance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-11-14 18:38:08	mpan	wrs: if you want to install the package in the version that has been used before your system was updated (that is not a partial upgrade), see <https://archive.archlinux.org/packages/>. But *ONLY* if you install exactly the same package as if it would be installed with `pacman -S`.
2023-11-14 18:38:09	phrik	Title: Index of /packages/ (at archive.archlinux.org)
2023-11-14 18:38:27	mpan	*before your system would be updated
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2023-11-14 18:44:28	espresso	wrs: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Downgrading_packages
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2023-11-14 18:44:29	phrik	Title: Downgrading packages - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2023-11-14 18:46:39	wrs	mpan, espresso, Namarrgon thanks guys I understand now
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2023-11-14 18:55:21	Metroid	your pacman is just looking for a package version that your mirror no longer has so just sync the mirror, simple
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2023-11-14 19:13:27	⚡ 	espresso had missed an important part of the conversation <_<
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2023-11-14 19:13:27	kopachke	hello peeps!
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2023-11-14 19:13:27	ℹ 	m68 es conocido ahora como m257
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2023-11-14 19:13:27	Eloelle	hello, i just updated to kde-plasma 6 and wayland and i'm having a small problem with my multimonitor setup - mixed resolution is working great, but i want my secondary monitor rotated 90 degrees and while it technically works, it seems to be using the native resolution (1920x1080) as a base and then scaling it (to 1080x1920) instead of drawing at 1080x1920
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2023-11-14 19:13:27	ℹ 	aziz1 es conocido ahora como aziz
2023-11-14 19:13:27	Eloelle	so it looks horrible and smooshed. i took a screenshot and a couple photos here https://imgur.com/a/to8xYG4
2023-11-14 19:13:27	phrik	Title: Multimonitor rotation scaling issue - Album on Imgur (at imgur.com)
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2023-11-14 19:13:27	Namarrgon	have you checked the bugtracker for similar issues?
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2023-11-14 19:14:01	susi	Eloelle: you use Edge?
2023-11-14 19:14:02	Namarrgon	unless you want to help with debugging it is probably too soon to switch to kde 6
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2023-11-14 19:14:55	Eloelle	yes, but there are so many multimonitor/resolution/scaling issues and it's hard to tell. i don't mind to help with debugging. although i tried to solve a bug in Dolphin and found the coding style is very unfamiliar 😅
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2023-11-14 19:16:15	Eloelle	@Susi: yes, I like it because it has a vertical tab bar natively and also supports PWA conveniently
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2023-11-14 19:16:28	Eloelle	which are the draws of firefox and chrome respectively
2023-11-14 19:16:44	Eloelle	and each has cancelled support for the opposite feature
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2023-11-14 19:20:43	Namarrgon	which gpu do you use?
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2023-11-14 19:23:00	Eloelle	nvidia GeForce RTX 3060
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2023-11-14 19:23:19	Namarrgon	have you tried it with x11 instead of wayland?
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2023-11-14 19:24:12	Eloelle	yes, it works but the multimonitor scaling support is not as good as wayland's
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2023-11-14 19:25:30	Eloelle	I will see how well it works with KDE6
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2023-11-14 19:31:10	Eloelle	yeah. it doesn't quite do what I want with kscreen in x11 either, but I can use xrandr to fix it up. `xrandr --output $mon1 --pos 0x0 --scale-from 2880x1620 --rotate right`
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2023-11-14 19:32:40	brocellous	Can I boot my kernel/initramfs in somehow in qemu so that it just drops me at a shell in the initrd?
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2023-11-14 19:36:04	brocellous	I tried "qemu-system-x86_64 --enable-kvm -kernel /boot/vmlinuz-linux -initrd ./initrd.img -nographic -append "root=/dev/ram0 console=ttyS0" -m 1024" but the I have the systemd hook in my mkinitcpio config and it getes stuck on a start job for /dev/ram0
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2023-11-14 19:40:15	Janhouse	I'm unable to update archlinux-keyring. It tries to import the new keys but it fails for all of them: `error: key "F296BDE50368C6CE" could not be imported` What the shit?
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2023-11-14 19:41:38	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Git migration completed https://archlinux.org/news/git-migration-completed/"
2023-11-14 19:41:39	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1404 apodos (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1404 regular)
2023-11-14 19:41:40	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2023-11-14 19:41:57	Janhouse	Unable to update only archlinux-keyring package either, it says signature is unknown trust.
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2023-11-14 19:45:21	NetSysFire	Janhouse: what exact command have you run? have you tried -Sy archlinux-keyring as per /topic?
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2023-11-14 19:46:53	Janhouse	NetSysFire, I did. Usually it works, this time something failed. Anyway, I copied over /etc/pacman.d/gnupg from my other machine and it fixed the issue. Still, this error should not have happened. Thanks for help!
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2023-11-14 19:51:15	brocellous	Got it, just needed to force sulogin.
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2023-11-14 19:58:45	chiselfuse	:: jdk-openjdk and jre-openjdk are in conflict
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2023-11-14 19:59:07	Antiz	chiselfuse: https://archlinux.org/news/incoming-changes-in-jdk-jre-21-packages-may-require-manual-intervention/
2023-11-14 19:59:09	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Incoming changes in JDK / JRE 21 packages may require manual intervention (at archlinux.org)
2023-11-14 19:59:12	chiselfuse	i don't know what to do, i have common user apps that need either
2023-11-14 19:59:31	chiselfuse	some need jdk and others need jre
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2023-11-14 19:59:43	chiselfuse	so what now, they can't coexist?
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2023-11-14 20:00:28	Scimmia	"The JDK variant package includes the runtime environment to execute Java applications"
2023-11-14 20:00:33	Scimmia	read the news carefully
2023-11-14 20:01:00	chiselfuse	:: removing jdk-openjdk breaks dependency 'java-environment>=17' required by ghidra
2023-11-14 20:01:06	chiselfuse	so this message doesn't matter then?
2023-11-14 20:01:18	Scimmia	why are you removing that?
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2023-11-14 20:01:31	chiselfuse	excuse me, :: removing jre-openjdk breaks dependency 'java-runtime>=17' required by burpsuite, this one doesn't matter and i can remove jre then?
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2023-11-14 20:01:44	Scimmia	right, that one doens't matter
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2023-11-14 20:04:03	chiselfuse	it won't let me remove it, how do i override dependency errors? i tried -d and still won't let me
2023-11-14 20:04:19	chiselfuse	sudo pacman -Rd jre-openjdk
2023-11-14 20:04:50	Scimmia	just do pacman -S jdk-openjdk; pacman -Syu
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2023-11-14 20:08:54	furrykef	Someone needs to update the news post with more detailed instructions.
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2023-11-14 20:09:38	Namarrgon	isn't that essentially what the news tells you to do already?
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2023-11-14 20:10:19	Scimmia	Namarrgon: no, -Syu jdk-openjdk will fail because jre-openjdk is in the update list
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2023-11-14 20:10:53	Scimmia	you have to install it separately, letting it remove the jre
2023-11-14 20:11:29	ℹ 	TheSilentLink_ es conocido ahora como TheSilentLink
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2023-11-14 20:25:17	ednash	Is there any way to get stats on a given AUR package?
2023-11-14 20:25:35	ednash	E.g. how many installs happened last month / week?
2023-11-14 20:25:37	jelle	ednash: what "stats"
2023-11-14 20:25:39	jelle	ednash: no
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2023-11-14 20:26:10	Antiz	ednash: You can get overall installed stats by those who share that information via pkgstats but that's it
2023-11-14 20:26:17	Antiz	https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/packages
2023-11-14 20:26:19	phrik	Title: pkgstats.archlinux.de (at pkgstats.archlinux.de)
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2023-11-14 20:26:35	Namarrgon	i can make up some numbers if you want
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2023-11-14 20:28:10	ednash	Ahh I see
2023-11-14 20:28:30	ednash	I released a bad code and was trying to assess the impact
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2023-11-14 20:29:40	ednash	fixed the error now, thankfully someone reported a nice bug who had that particular edge case. hopefully not many people were impacted
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2023-11-14 20:43:00	Betal	I wonder how pacman is listed in 99.81%, some people have pkgstats but don't have pacman
2023-11-14 20:43:59	furrykef	They prefer Donkey Kong
2023-11-14 20:44:03	Namarrgon	what about the people that don't have glibc installed?
2023-11-14 20:45:03	heat	probably bad data
2023-11-14 20:45:46	mefistofeles	is there a way to audit that data and try to improve things?
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2023-11-14 20:45:52	Betal	pacman-git have other 0.09%, still missing 0.1%
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2023-11-14 20:46:17	igemnace	pkgstats itself is only 99.93%
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2023-11-14 20:46:48	ℹ 	monadgauge_ es conocido ahora como monadgauge
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2023-11-14 20:48:13	Momentum	is there a good way to navigate a manpage for a certain option? like say `-o`? doing /^-o doesn't seem to be effective
2023-11-14 20:48:26	ℹ 	d0nk es conocido ahora como d0nk`
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2023-11-14 20:48:45	mefistofeles	Momentum: maybe `/-o ` ?
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2023-11-14 20:49:16	Momentum	yeah but that searches for -o anywhere in the manpage mefistofeles
2023-11-14 20:49:29	espresso	'/  -o'
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2023-11-14 20:49:33	Momentum	i need only where the option is described
2023-11-14 20:49:38	Momentum	oh!
2023-11-14 20:50:01	Momentum	how many spaces are those espresso?
2023-11-14 20:50:05	espresso	two
2023-11-14 20:50:16	Momentum	NICE
2023-11-14 20:50:23	thurstylark	I just installed maliit as a virtual keyboard, but I can't seem to get into its settings. Is it something I'm doing, or is it just not incredibly mature yet?
2023-11-14 20:50:23	mefistofeles	hmm, that may not work with all manpages, though
2023-11-14 20:50:26	Momentum	thanks
2023-11-14 20:50:44	Momentum	i guess yeah, but usually does
2023-11-14 20:51:18	Momentum	nice trick tho
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2023-11-14 21:00:44	susi	anyone has anything on this: systemd[1]: bpf-lsm: Failed to load BPF object: Invalid argument ?
2023-11-14 21:01:04	susi	there seem to be not many others suffering from this according to my search
2023-11-14 21:02:05	susi	journalctl --grep shows it's a recurring thing
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2023-11-14 21:04:37	asd	im on a new machine and just installed `mupdf` and it yields: mupdf: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.1.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory # does this mean mupdf is missing openssl-1.1 as a dependency?
2023-11-14 21:05:06	asd	nvm found the error locally
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2023-11-14 21:06:46	gehidore	partial upgrade?
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2023-11-14 21:08:41	asd	gehidore: nah bash function was overriding mupdf, and that function was from a old machine
2023-11-14 21:08:58	gehidore	meta-l /window bareslick
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2023-11-14 21:12:39	susi	maybe some race condition, but systemd/udev occasionally fails to activate zram - systemctl restart dev-zram0.swap fixes the issue
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2023-11-14 21:12:46	susi	any ideas on this?
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2023-11-14 21:14:37	espresso	susi: another apparent sufferer but posting re. wifi. possibly a kernel issue? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=288765
2023-11-14 21:14:40	phrik	Title: Wifi randomly lost after kernel upgrade to 6.5.2 / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2023-11-14 21:15:13	susi	I have set it according to the wiki, the whole udev rule + modules-load.d thing
2023-11-14 21:15:28	gehidore	I refuse to upgrade until they give us 6.6.6
2023-11-14 21:15:46	susi	and have a entry in fstab, from which fstab generator makes .swap unit file with After=blockdev@dev-zram0.target
2023-11-14 21:17:50	Metroid	i'm still on 4.20
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2023-11-14 21:33:46	SysGhost	About KDE upgrading to qt6, I wonder.... is there some "simple" way to perform this upgrade? as of now the kde plasma install causes a huge list of removing X breaks dependency of Y". All related to kde plasma packages
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2023-11-14 21:37:15	mefistofeles	SysGhost: oh really? I haven't tried it yet, but it might seem that that's the case, since the namespace is different
2023-11-14 21:38:21	SysGhost	mefistofeles: I'm not entirely sure how to approach this. One way is to entirelt uninstall everything QT5 and KDE related. Upgrade the system. Then install KDE plasma again with the new stuff in place. 
2023-11-14 21:39:00	SysGhost	But as with everything deskktop environment related, that's an eff-ton of packages to find and remove
2023-11-14 21:42:03	SysGhost	I could semi-autoamte it, but past experience tells me that's a sure way to bork thing to oblivion
2023-11-14 21:42:51	mefistofeles	SysGhost: I guess you are using some external repos? Because I don't see these packages listed yet
2023-11-14 21:43:06	mefistofeles	s/external/3rd party
2023-11-14 21:43:39	SysGhost	the 3rd party repo I have is my own. It got only a few CAD and 3D slicers in it.
2023-11-14 21:45:23	mefistofeles	SysGhost: right, so when are you seeing the new kde packages? I'm not getting that part
2023-11-14 21:45:27	mefistofeles	s/when/where
2023-11-14 21:45:34	SysGhost	here: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/OokYxkYt (custom and personal-arch-repo are small ones containing nothing about kde plasma)
2023-11-14 21:45:36	phrik	Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/OokYxkYt (JavaScript) (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
2023-11-14 21:45:55	mefistofeles	SysGhost: oh!
2023-11-14 21:46:04	mefistofeles	it's just the qt5 ones changing names
2023-11-14 21:46:15	mefistofeles	I see, ok... you said qt6 :P but got it
2023-11-14 21:46:19	SysGhost	I suspect the rename of all packages to *5 is to make place for the upcoming QT6 ones
2023-11-14 21:46:33	mefistofeles	sure yeah, I think that's the motivation, but I was confused :)
2023-11-14 21:47:30	mefistofeles	SysGhost: so it seems you have outdated/deprecated packages
2023-11-14 21:47:34	mefistofeles	I would deal with those first
2023-11-14 21:48:00	mefistofeles	for example libkipi
2023-11-14 21:48:01	SysGhost	One would think the new *5 package would still satisfy what they're supposed to provide
2023-11-14 21:48:36	mefistofeles	yeah, there are a few there that don't exist in arch repos, presumable deprecated or installed from AUR
2023-11-14 21:48:46	mefistofeles	you would need to deal with those manually since those are not supported
2023-11-14 21:48:56	mefistofeles	presumably*
2023-11-14 21:49:37	mefistofeles	SysGhost: it does, it just that arch doesn't support you installing 3rd party or deprecated packages
2023-11-14 21:49:42	mefistofeles	as it should :)
2023-11-14 21:50:21	SysGhost	Heeeey! they wheren't deprectaed a few weeks ago >.< ... (jk)
2023-11-14 21:50:40	mefistofeles	SysGhost: pretty sure many of them have been deprecated/removed months ago
2023-11-14 21:51:02	mefistofeles	as usual, arch doesn't like to get neglected :)
2023-11-14 22:02:34	SysGhost	The more I remove deprecated packages, the worse it gets. https://pastebin.mozilla.org/7hvRMdvX 
2023-11-14 22:02:38	phrik	Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/7hvRMdvX (JavaScript) (at pastebin.mozilla.org)
2023-11-14 22:06:14	SysGhost	ach... Let's remove everything that has anything to do with plasma or qt5. Should hopefully work.
2023-11-14 22:12:21	SysGhost	neat! that did the trick
2023-11-14 22:12:33	SysGhost	now to reinstall plasma desktop
2023-11-14 22:45:10	baltazar	hi! I have an usb-c ethernet dongle that keeps disconnecting for some reason
2023-11-14 22:45:25	baltazar	as in, the usb device disconnects then reconnects
2023-11-14 22:45:48	thurstylark	baltazar: first stop is the journal. Anything interesting in there?
2023-11-14 22:47:31	baltazar	I just see the usb dev disconnecting: http://ix.io/4Lwe
2023-11-14 22:48:26	thurstylark	Is it plugged in via some sort of hub or extender or something of the sort?
2023-11-14 22:48:38	thurstylark	if so, see if eliminating it does any good
2023-11-14 22:48:46	thurstylark	try another port, etc, etc
2023-11-14 22:49:12	baltazar	actually, it's part of a hub.
2023-11-14 22:49:48	baltazar	but nothing plugged into it has any issues
2023-11-14 22:50:24	thurstylark	did this start happening after an update?
2023-11-14 22:50:47	thurstylark	also might be worth figuring out if other devices have the same problem with this device if possible
2023-11-14 22:51:22	baltazar	it's been doing this since I got it a few weeks ago
2023-11-14 22:51:49	baltazar	my keyboard and monitor are also plugged into the hub, they work just fine
2023-11-14 22:52:05	baltazar	I only see disconnects from the ethernet thingy built into the hub
2023-11-14 22:55:23	thurstylark	What is the device model?
2023-11-14 22:56:17	thurstylark	might also be worth checking if another version of the kernel works better, but I kind of suspect hardware issue tbh...
2023-11-14 22:59:03	baltazar	RTL8153 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter
2023-11-14 23:00:04	thurstylark	I'm talking about the hub thingy it's in. 
2023-11-14 23:01:09	baltazar	uh, I bought it off amazon: https://amzn.eu/d/gHRzIS7
2023-11-14 23:02:46	baltazar	I guess it's this thing: https://us.lemorele.com/products/lemorele-usb-c-hub-9-in-1-tc39-x
2023-11-14 23:02:48	phrik	Title: Lemorele USB C Hub 9 in 1【#TC39-X】 (at us.lemorele.com)
2023-11-14 23:05:00	thurstylark	I'm seeing reviews that seem to have similar problems with the network connection dropping out. My guess is that the build quality isn't the best, and this is just one of the things that can happen with this model :/
2023-11-14 23:05:09	baltazar	oh well
2023-11-14 23:05:50	docmax	i need a script or tool, that can watch a process and kill it if cpu usage is 100% within 5 minutes
2023-11-14 23:06:29	thurstylark	baltazar: I'd try to get amazon to exchange or return it for a different model
2023-11-14 23:07:17	baltazar	thurstylark: yeah, makes sense. thanks
2023-11-14 23:07:56	thurstylark	Sorry, dude, that sucks :/
2023-11-14 23:09:12	grym	usb-c cables and hubs and whatnot are of (in)famously variable quality 
2023-11-14 23:11:37	baltazar	meh :|
2023-11-14 23:53:10	docmax	anyone noticed my question?
2023-11-14 23:54:25	MacGyver	Oh, yeah, I did, but was too busy preparing for EPOCH+1700000000 celebrations.
2023-11-14 23:54:27	gehidore	nope
2023-11-14 23:54:41	MacGyver	Could you describe the *exact* behaviour you want?
2023-11-14 23:55:11	MacGyver	Because this sounds like something that could be solved with systemd's resource management.
2023-11-15 00:00:33	docmax	i have a process "jellyfin". sometimes it goes 100% on 1 cpu core (which is probably a bug)
2023-11-15 00:00:55	docmax	i want to kill that process if it is 100% longer than 5 minutes
2023-11-15 00:10:11	MacGyver	Hmm, I don't see a way to actually make systemd kill processes if they go beyond a certain CPU slice.
2023-11-15 00:10:24	MacGyver	Only to clamp them to not use that in the first place.
2023-11-15 00:10:59	MacGyver	Which makes sense, the scheduler can control it to not use all CPU. Detecting a process hang is not its job.
2023-11-15 00:54:40	B-|	can anyone help in packaging a https://git.sr.ht/~nicoco/slidge-whatsapp
2023-11-15 00:54:42	phrik	Title: ~nicoco/slidge-whatsapp - Whatsapp/XMPP gateway - sourcehut git (at git.sr.ht)
2023-11-15 00:57:09	B-|	"python -m build --wheel --no-isolation" produces stuff in slidge_whatsapp/generated/
2023-11-15 01:04:44	ugga-the-caveman	hi, i am a bit confused over the iftop command and the promiscious mode. i try to use iftop command to see the traffic that is entering and exiting my pc. (iftop -nNbP) as i understand the command does not use promiscious mode when i dont use the -p option. but the output i get looks like it does.  so how can i check the current state of a
2023-11-15 01:04:44	ugga-the-caveman	interface regarding to promiscious mode in archlinux?
2023-11-15 01:06:43	ugga-the-caveman	chatgpt says i can use ip link show to see that, but i dont see it. does that work on your machinesß
2023-11-15 01:13:43	ugga-the-caveman	aha! i found it. ip -d link shows the promiscuity
2023-11-15 01:13:52	fluix	I'm not sure if ip link shows it, but yeah was about to say -d does
2023-11-15 02:20:09	bzm3r	if i re-formatted (`mkfs.btrfs -f ...`), by mistake, a btrfs formatted drive
2023-11-15 02:20:20	bzm3r	is there any way for me to recover what used to be there?
2023-11-15 02:20:27	bzm3r	(this is a hard disk, not an SSD)
2023-11-15 02:35:19	heat	bzm3r, not really
2023-11-15 02:35:31	heat	you could try and run forensics software on the drive
2023-11-15 02:37:06	bzm3r	@heat when you say forensic software, you mean stuff like photorec et al?
2023-11-15 02:37:21	heat	yeah that's one example
2023-11-15 02:37:23	bzm3r	or do you have particular recommendations for such software?
2023-11-15 02:37:34	heat	i don't, sorry :/
2023-11-15 02:37:47	heat	i don't know if there's any variant that's good with btrfs or what have you
2023-11-15 02:38:14	bzm3r	no worries. are there other chat groups you might recommend for help around btrfs?
2023-11-15 02:39:21	heat	i'm not a btrfs user :/
2023-11-15 02:40:08	heat	worst case you might be able to ask around on the btrfs kernel ML but that would be a bit offtopic I guess
2023-11-15 02:40:26	espresso	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/File_recovery may cover some general bits
2023-11-15 02:40:27	phrik	Title: File recovery - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2023-11-15 02:41:08	espresso	'btrfs-restore' is there for trying to salvage files
2023-11-15 02:41:33	espresso	*'btrfs restore'
2023-11-15 03:00:36	gehidore	first thing to do is unmount the fs and any mounts you do make sure they're read only
2023-11-15 03:05:48	Santzes	I'm using btrfs (since forever). I suddenly got no space left on device errors from everywhere even thought there's like 56GB on system drive. Rebooted, boot manager fine, but all the services fail on boot. I had snapshots in grub to boot but haven't been updated since February lol (the snapshots themselves are up to date though). Just booted Arch install USB. What should I do to check if
2023-11-15 03:05:50	Santzes	there's a problem with the ssd or if it's the filesystem / how to fix
2023-11-15 03:08:10	Santzes	Maybe it has something to do with how I started the laptop before but it wasn't plugged in and the battery was apparently empty so it started but ran out of battery probably before power manager even started 
2023-11-15 03:09:53	espresso	Santzes: smartctl may have more information
2023-11-15 03:10:28	espresso	or maybe not much, if it's simply a one-time corruption
2023-11-15 03:12:24	espresso	..but at least help eliminate hardware failure
2023-11-15 03:15:52	espresso	Santzes: btrfs check <device>  (btrfs check --repair <device> if you can get to it unmounted)
2023-11-15 03:17:37	Santzes	Smart seems fines, running check now, thanks
2023-11-15 03:17:53	Santzes	Though might it be better just to restore a snapshot from few hours ago
2023-11-15 03:20:04	espresso	In my little experience with btrfs, it seems like titanium, and likely to fix corruption if it actually gets any. But hey, if you have a snapshot, they sound like a useful feature!
2023-11-15 03:21:51	espresso	I guess it's possible to 'fix' fs corruption but still have something out of whack.
2023-11-15 03:26:11	Santzes	Yeah it found a lot of errors, running without repair. I think I'm gonna try booting from snapshot as if I don't get errors that way I'm gonna trust the system more going forward
2023-11-15 03:47:50	Santzes	It doesn't seem like repair is suggested, "doesn't seem to more data loss" surely isn't right. I think I'll gotta free some space on the hdd to take some backups first, I have some but they're online half a planet away, would take rest of the week to restore
2023-11-15 03:55:43	espresso	What I meant is that in my experience, fs repairs are most often fixing internal structures and consistency, and more likely to keep an incomplete file than delete it, but I must defer to any better understanding or your actual situation :)
2023-11-15 04:07:09	bzm3r	espresso yeah it is there, true, but it did not help at all, and i am having trouble detecting anything with this too: https://www.lukeshu.com/blog/btrfs-rec.html
2023-11-15 04:07:10	phrik	Title: Announcing: btrfs-rec: Recover (data from) a broken btrfs filesystem — Luke Shumaker (at www.lukeshu.com)
2023-11-15 04:08:20	bzm3r	espresso what do you mean by "in my experience with btrfs, it seems like titanium"?
2023-11-15 04:10:06	espresso	I meant it seems highly resistant to corruption, from its design (Copy-on-Write etc.) - but obviously not impervious.
2023-11-15 04:13:31	Santzes	Uuuh I deleted some older snapshots, ran btrfs balance, restored a snapshot and have a booting system
2023-11-15 04:14:44	espresso	nice!
2023-11-15 04:17:36	gehidore	bzm3r try #btrfs but expect latency in the response
2023-11-15 04:59:03	CalimeroTeknik	er… mkvtoolnix-cli pulls Qt6, can this maybe be reserved for mkvtoolnix-gui? o_O
2023-11-15 05:02:29	alad	O_o
2023-11-15 05:04:10	Scimmia	CalimeroTeknik: If upstream decides to use it, that's just the way it is
2023-11-15 05:30:21	CalimeroTeknik	is there comm magic or the like, to figure out what new packages would be pulled by the upgrade?
2023-11-15 05:35:14	plasma	CalimeroTeknik: why not pacman -Syu and then press n? ;)
2023-11-15 05:35:39	CalimeroTeknik	it's not telling me what's new
2023-11-15 05:35:54	CalimeroTeknik	maybe newer versions tell…
2023-11-15 05:36:01	plasma	ah ok, sorry. now i got your point
2023-11-15 05:37:22	CalimeroTeknik	I only see a net update size that's exceeding the capacity of my SSD, and I'm trying to figure out what new dependencies are being pulled to cause this
2023-11-15 05:54:22	ryzenda	`usb-devices` shows "Driver=usbhid" for Lenovo Legion Go computer's left/right detachable controllers, so I want ot figure out where do I look to find the files/source for this driver to determine why `xev` has X event info for some of the buttons, but not others, even though `usbhid-dump` shows everything does something. 
2023-11-15 05:59:40	bzm3r	gehidore thank you for the rec!
2023-11-15 06:01:03	synonymous80	!paste
2023-11-15 06:01:03	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://ix.io, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !ix or !rs for an easy way to paste from a pipe.
2023-11-15 06:05:07	synonymous80	join #archlinux-newbie
2023-11-15 06:05:10	synonymous80	Whoops
2023-11-15 08:07:16	grawity	ryzenda: check evdev before anything else
2023-11-15 08:07:47	grawity	ryzenda: does `sudo evemu-record` show the evdev event info for all the buttons?
2023-11-15 08:07:59	grawity	ryzenda: next, does `sudo libinput debug-events` show the evdev info for all the buttons?
2023-11-15 08:08:20	grawity	ryzenda: then, does `xinput test-xi2` show XInput2 events for all the buttons?
2023-11-15 08:08:52	grawity	xev gets stacked on top of all those, *and* also on top of xkb, on top of global grabs, etc.
2023-11-15 08:09:04	grawity	often you won't see xev events just because some app has them grabbed as hotkeys
2023-11-15 09:38:35	ecraven	is there a command-line linux tool that will produce *good-looking* bar charts?
2023-11-15 09:41:45	itachisan	Hi! Is it good to ask here for an NTFS question?
2023-11-15 09:46:15	bookworm	ecraven: python 
2023-11-15 09:47:12	bookworm	I guess you've seen gnuplot and the good looking remark goes in that direction?
2023-11-15 09:47:34	ecraven	yea, I love gnuplot, but ... it's a lot of work to make the results look *nice*
2023-11-15 09:53:00	itachisan	Hi, where can I ask for help with the new NTFS module?
2023-11-15 09:53:10	itachisan	Is it better on the forums, on the mailing list or here?
2023-11-15 09:56:05	Khorne	itachisan, if you'd just ask you'd know if someone could answer
2023-11-15 09:56:08	Khorne	And we would too
2023-11-15 09:57:11	alad	asking is blot
2023-11-15 09:57:12	alad	!blot
2023-11-15 09:57:13	phrik	Because the 'a' in bloat is blot
2023-11-15 09:57:35	itachisan	Alright then :)
2023-11-15 09:58:10	itachisan	I tried using the new NTFS module (ntfs3) and with it I am able to mount the partition, navigate and create files, both with udisks and manually
2023-11-15 09:58:24	itachisan	However, any time I write to file the changes do not happen
2023-11-15 09:58:38	itachisan	They only kick in when I unmount and remount the partition
2023-11-15 10:33:52	kode54	itachisan: ntfs3 module doesn't support journal, only journal replay
2023-11-15 10:34:08	kode54	though I don't know if that has anything to do with it
2023-11-15 10:41:11	itachisan	kode54: would that mean the files are flushed at the end? Are you aware of how to allow for direct flush?
2023-11-15 10:41:40	kode54	files should be written as soon as the cache is flushed
2023-11-15 10:41:47	kode54	and they won't go through any journaling
2023-11-15 10:47:26	itachisan	In my case it seems that never happens...
2023-11-15 10:49:21	kode54	for the most safety, use ntfs-3g
2023-11-15 10:49:34	kode54	or don't use ntfs
2023-11-15 10:50:20	kode54	allegedly, the commercial ntfs driver has journaling support, but I don't know if I want to believe it
2023-11-15 10:50:44	kode54	(ntfs-3g supposedly does too, at least)
2023-11-15 11:13:50	susi	itachisan: if you edit same file twice in a row, it won't update?
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2023-11-15 12:24:40	nl6720	well, two examples, but now that many browsers have their own resolvers, it's down to one example
2023-11-15 12:26:04	voxel	thanks again nl6720, your insight is much appreciated
2023-11-15 12:26:11	nl6720	^_^
2023-11-15 12:26:56	another|	what's the other one? dig?
2023-11-15 12:27:11	nl6720	gpg
2023-11-15 12:33:18	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-03-22 16:46:32	torv	3
2024-03-22 16:46:51	_256	3 what?
2024-03-22 16:47:09	gehidore	5
2024-03-22 16:47:40	torv	Damn book dropped on keypad. Sorry. o/
2024-03-22 16:47:43	mpan	256 what?
2024-03-22 16:48:41	mpan	_256: it’s simple. They found the smallest ℕ which does not divide you.
2024-03-22 16:55:00	edt	I can login to root, but my id say I need to wait for a timeout to expire.  as root how do i reset the timeout
2024-03-22 16:56:40	edt	(yes I know why the timeout is active - typing issue here)
2024-03-22 16:57:17	akik	edt: faillock maybe
2024-03-22 16:59:07	edt	that shows why its failing (which I know) but not how to reset it NOW instead of waiting 10 minutes
2024-03-22 16:59:24	edt	passwd -u does not help
2024-03-22 16:59:28	DodoGTA	Does setting a equals pkgver in provides() make any difference? Packages already have version in the metadata so that seems redundant
2024-03-22 16:59:44	gromit	edt: faillock --user <username> --reset
2024-03-22 17:00:55	edt	thank you - just noticed the same option as you messaged (thanks to akik too)
2024-03-22 17:26:14	Guest-12345678	after uninstalling virtualbox and removing the the virtualbox folder located in my home directory is still have /dev/sda present on my machine when i do an lsblk
2024-03-22 17:26:33	Guest-12345678	how can i completey remove /dev/sda?
2024-03-22 17:29:20	Scimmia	what does sda have to do with virtualbox?
2024-03-22 17:31:18	DilithiumNO3	Scimmia: just joined, what's the context
2024-03-22 17:31:26	Guest-12345678	when i Installed virtualbox /dev/sda became present....I just assumed :o
2024-03-22 17:31:46	Scimmia	DilithiumNO3: that's what I'm trying to figure out
2024-03-22 17:32:11	DilithiumNO3	virtualbox shouldn't add block devices to your host
2024-03-22 17:32:32	DilithiumNO3	Scimmia: by what's the context i mean why are you asking what sda has to do with virtualbox
2024-03-22 17:32:33	Scimmia	Guest-12345678: fdisk -l /dev/sda
2024-03-22 17:33:01	gehidore	DilithiumNO3 Guest-12345678 after uninstalling virtualbox and removing the the virtualbox folder located in my home directory is
2024-03-22 17:33:03	gehidore	               still have /dev/sda present on my machine when i do an lsblk
2024-03-22 17:33:05	gehidore	               how can i completey remove /dev/sda?
2024-03-22 17:33:22	DilithiumNO3	best guess i've got is something about setting up virtualbox drives as virtualized SCSI? but can't help you any more than google can, i use QEMU (libvirt and virt-manager optional)
2024-03-22 17:33:39	Guest-12345678	"cannot open /dev/sda: No medium found"
2024-03-22 17:33:43	_256	You don't want to remove /dev/sda.
2024-03-22 17:33:54	DilithiumNO3	gehidore: oh, you mean inside the VM?
2024-03-22 17:34:02	Scimmia	so it's likely a card reader or something
2024-03-22 17:34:08	Guest-12345678	https://i.imgur.com/mI72eV4.png
2024-03-22 17:34:17	gehidore	DilithiumNO3 I dunno, I just pasted you what Guest-12345678 said
2024-03-22 17:34:54	DilithiumNO3	idk why it's there either
2024-03-22 17:35:31	Guest-12345678	was def not present prior to virtualbox install
2024-03-22 17:36:02	Scimmia	virtualbox doesn't do anything like that AFAIK
2024-03-22 17:36:03	DilithiumNO3	Guest-12345678: given that the screenshot shows some nvme drives that definitely looks like it's on the host
2024-03-22 17:36:20	DilithiumNO3	i have zero idea why it created a blank SCSI device
2024-03-22 17:36:29	DilithiumNO3	i wouldn't touch it unless i had an idea
2024-03-22 17:37:05	Namarrgon	look at the kernel log, there's probably some context around the timestamp where it pops up
2024-03-22 17:46:52	KitsuWhooa	`ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/` might also shed some light
2024-03-22 17:49:46	Guest-12345678	KitsuWhooa ahhhhh thxs man
2024-03-22 17:50:02	Guest-12345678	https://i.imgur.com/73dVF8f.png
2024-03-22 17:50:13	Guest-12345678	well thxs to everyone who assited
2024-03-22 17:50:15	KitsuWhooa	Yeah that's a cart reader
2024-03-22 17:50:17	KitsuWhooa	*card
2024-03-22 19:55:22	levitating	So I have this ghost subscription in mailman
2024-03-22 19:55:30	levitating	And it's not really causing any issues
2024-03-22 19:55:44	levitating	But it has been bothering me for some months
2024-03-22 20:03:03	espresso	levitating: perhaps https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Mailman can be some help..
2024-03-22 20:03:03	phrik	Title: Mailman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-22 20:05:20	levitating	No I am sure it's a bug (with the lists.archlinux.org instance). 
2024-03-22 20:05:31	espresso	oh I see
2024-03-22 20:05:44	levitating	it shows this one subscription in my list, when I click on it it says I am not subscribed
2024-03-22 20:05:52	levitating	if I subscribe to it I get a duplicate
2024-03-22 20:06:26	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-22 20:06:53	levitating	maybe if I add and remove the associated email
2024-03-22 20:06:55	astralc	mail alias maybe?
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2024-03-22 20:08:15	espresso	also, #archlinux-devops may be able to help
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2024-03-22 20:08:54	levitating	I solved it by removing the associated email address and adding it again
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2024-03-22 20:09:13	astralc	you can unsubscribe from the list buy using the unsubscribe header in the mail. gmail shows it as link
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2024-03-22 20:14:05	breezboy	I have been trying to update my system, but I am running into conflicts. I saw the article post about mkinitcpio hook migration and early microcode and have tried running mkinitcpio -P, but I am still unable to upgrade.
2024-03-22 20:14:44	breezboy	I also have tried using the microcode hook, but it is not being recognized when I run mkinitcpio
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2024-03-22 20:16:42	Scimmia	!give breezboy errors
2024-03-22 20:16:43	phrik	breezboy: Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2024-03-22 20:16:50	levitating	!paste
2024-03-22 20:16:52	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-03-22 20:16:54	breezboy	Ok sorry
2024-03-22 20:17:23	susi	you need to upgrade the packages mentioned in the news  at once, -Sy and then -S <those_packages>, and then -Su
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2024-03-22 20:18:14	Scimmia	No, a regurlar update would be just fine. The news is about not doing partial updates
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2024-03-22 20:22:33	levitating	19:16 < breezboy> Ok sorry
2024-03-22 20:22:40	levitating	oops, accidental paste
2024-03-22 20:23:48	breezboy	Do I need to specify the version of package I need to install or can I just run pacman -S mkinitcpio ....
2024-03-22 20:23:59	Scimmia	you don't do any of that. You update, that's it
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2024-03-22 20:25:10	susi	yeah, makes sense 
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2024-03-22 20:26:49	breezboy	https://bpa.st/JDHQ
2024-03-22 20:26:49	phrik	Title: View paste JDHQ (at bpa.st)
2024-03-22 20:27:28	Scimmia	so you're using a custom cryptsetup, which essentially means you're trying to do a partial update
2024-03-22 20:27:55	Scimmia	Use -Syu cryptsetup to update and install the stock package, then you can update your custom package later
2024-03-22 20:27:57	breezboy	I didn't know I was using a custom cryptsetup.
2024-03-22 20:28:14	breezboy	Ok. I'm trying that now.
2024-03-22 20:28:14	Scimmia	then how did cryptsetup-nested-cryptkey get on your machine?
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2024-03-22 20:28:47	Scimmia	unrelated, but why do you still have community in pacman.conf?
2024-03-22 20:28:51	breezboy	No idea. I haven't done a fresh install in about 8 years and I've downloaded a lot of extra crud.
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2024-03-22 20:29:29	breezboy	Was there a post about community in pacman.conf?
2024-03-22 20:29:32	breezboy	If so I missed it
2024-03-22 20:30:11	Scimmia	there was a pacnew and a news post, last May
2024-03-22 20:31:17	Scimmia	!give breezboy pacnew
2024-03-22 20:31:18	phrik	breezboy: Take care of your .pacnew and .pacsave files! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Pacnew_and_Pacsave
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2024-03-22 20:47:46	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1451 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1450 regular)
2024-03-22 20:41:37	alyxv	hey guy i think my server got hacked. i am using pubkey authentication only. i noticed another ip while running ss -atnp4 and killed the process first. i check lastb | grep <ip> and found two bad login with user ubuntu and ftpuser. i then checked /var/log/syslog for this ip where it did not show up. also checking last command didn't show this ip. but ss -atnp showed the ip as established. any
2024-03-22 20:41:37	alyxv	ideas if this is 
2024-03-22 20:41:37	alyxv	something suspicious or not? what should i do now? i am also using fail2ban. thanks in advance
2024-03-22 20:42:44	ZLima12	the connection would be established whether they successfully logged in or not
2024-03-22 20:42:59	ZLima12	Granted it probably wouldn't last very long if it failed
2024-03-22 20:44:09	ZLima12	If you're sure that you have password authentication disabled, they would have had to get your private key to login and then know what server to connect to
2024-03-22 20:44:15	ZLima12	So it would have to be very targeted
2024-03-22 20:45:05	ZLima12	If the machine is on the open internet, bad attempts with those usernames is to be expected, it's not a bad sign
2024-03-22 20:47:20	ZLima12	The lastb log for my router shows about 2500 login attempts per day
2024-03-22 20:47:40	alyxv	ZLima12: thanks for reaching out. I am a little confused as if i check 'lastb | head' I see bad logins which happen exactly now but check ss -atnp is just showing my ip as ESTABLISHED an nothing elso but with that one ip is appead for at least 3 minutes. and i regularry check with `ss -atnp` an never saw some other ip as established just regarding to your message 'the connection would be
2024-03-22 20:47:40	alyxv	established whether they 
2024-03-22 20:47:40	alyxv	successfully logged in or not'
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2024-03-22 20:48:20	ZLima12	established just means that there's a tcp socket open
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2024-03-22 20:48:52	ZLima12	You have to establish a connection before you can even attempt to log in
2024-03-22 20:50:41	alyxv	okay, i though it would be really established after the handshake was successfull but if i think about it how should ss know about that. i really wonder why there is nothing showing up right now as something like ESTABLISHED or FIN-WAIT etc. as there are many attempts happening in that moment.
2024-03-22 20:50:52	ZLima12	lastb shows failed logins by default, but you can show successful ones with lastb -f /var/log/wtmp
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2024-03-22 20:51:48	alyxv	*i meant the ssh handshake
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2024-03-22 20:52:11	ZLima12	The reason you wouldn't see established often is that it would only usually be established long enough for them to try and fail to log in
2024-03-22 20:52:15	alyxv	checked that but it doesn't appear. puhh, thanks bringing me down :D
2024-03-22 20:52:32	ZLima12	What doesn't appear?
2024-03-22 20:52:42	alyxv	the ip in the succesfull logins
2024-03-22 20:52:55	breezboy	https://bpa.st/ZFPQ
2024-03-22 20:52:55	phrik	Title: View paste ZFPQ (at bpa.st)
2024-03-22 20:53:06	ZLima12	alyxv: You're probably safe then
2024-03-22 20:53:25	ZLima12	Sure, theoretically, someone could alter /var/log/wtmp if they got in
2024-03-22 20:53:45	ZLima12	Also, you can run `who` to see who's logged in right now
2024-03-22 20:53:48	alyxv	yeah so it could probably be that a client tried to connect, auth failed but it did not close the connection directly?
2024-03-22 20:54:17	ZLima12	Something like that, yeah
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2024-03-22 20:54:35	Scimmia	breezboy: you have to answer yes to the question
2024-03-22 20:54:41	alyxv	okay thanks. yeah no nothing sus anymore. really appreciated
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2024-03-22 20:55:14	ZLima12	Scimmia: they don't have that option because they're using some weird version of cryptsetup
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2024-03-22 20:55:30	ZLima12	breezboy: Did you install cryptsetup-nested-cryptkey?
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2024-03-22 20:56:03	Scimmia	ZLima12: yes, they have to that option. It's right there in the paste
2024-03-22 20:56:26	ZLima12	They said yes but then pacman failed
2024-03-22 20:56:40	Scimmia	No, they didn't. They hit enter and the default is N
2024-03-22 20:57:00	breezboy	https://bpa.st/4OMQ
2024-03-22 20:57:00	phrik	Title: View paste 4OMQ (at bpa.st)
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2024-03-22 20:57:01	ZLima12	Oops, you're right
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2024-03-22 20:57:38	Scimmia	breezboy: a couple of those are because you disabled multilib. You can't do that while still having packages from it installed
2024-03-22 20:57:44	breezboy	I tried installed cryptsetup-nested-cryptkey, but i couldn't find the package
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2024-03-22 20:59:40	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-03-22 20:58:14	Scimmia	the last 2 are because you have an incompatible AUR package. Get rid of it
2024-03-22 20:58:25	breezboy	Ok
2024-03-22 20:58:49	ZLima12	breezboy: Do you need cryptsetup-nested-cryptkey specifically? If you don't have some specific setup you should probably just use the regular cryptsetup package
2024-03-22 20:59:40	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-22 20:59:56	breezboy	No I'm not sure how the package got installed.
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2024-03-22 21:00:32	ZLima12	Okay, so if you reenable multilib, Get rid of pamac, and run `pacman -Syu cryptsetup`, it should work
2024-03-22 21:01:37	breezboy	Thanks guys. That worked!
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2024-03-22 21:02:02	ZLima12	breezboy: Alternatively, if you want to keep pamac, you just need to update it
2024-03-22 21:02:11	ZLima12	Just checked the aur package and it will work on the latest version
2024-03-22 21:02:41	breezboy	Ok. If I need it i'll reinstall it in the future.
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2024-03-22 21:03:33	Scimmia	yep, that's how versioned deps work in the AUR unless you use a local repo and build in a chroot
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2024-03-22 22:20:56	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-03-22 21:45:59	nerdistmonk	gnome-icon-theme-extras got removed from the repo today, odd.
2024-03-22 21:47:35	gromit	nerdistmonk: yes it was removed as part of the spring cleanup https://lists.archlinux.org/hyperkitty/list/arch-dev-public@lists.archlinux.org/message/MHVWGPV6VEC7KRDYYMQHKGHTO6JJH7NS/
2024-03-22 21:47:36	phrik	Title: Re: Spring cleanup '24 - Arch-dev-public - lists.archlinux.org (at lists.archlinux.org)
2024-03-22 21:48:18	nerdistmonk	thanks gromit, i just uninstalled the icon theme :P
2024-03-22 21:59:34	m15k	Anyone might be on gnome and give "https://github.com/OpenVPN/openvpn3-indicator" a go? I can run it, but I don't see any icon.
2024-03-22 22:07:22	edu4rdshl	m15k, gnome doesn't support tray icons
2024-03-22 22:08:45	wrycode	Is this stuff in the wiki up to date? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Linux_Containers#Enable_support_to_run_unprivileged_containers_(optional)
2024-03-22 22:08:46	phrik	Title: Linux Containers - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-22 22:08:57	wrycode	I don't remember having to do any of this in the past for rootless podman
2024-03-22 22:11:24	wrycode	I'll use use the Podman page. No idea why the podman documentation is linking to that LXC page
2024-03-22 22:11:41	akik	wrycode: that's lxc, not podman
2024-03-22 22:14:13	wrycode	Yeah the podman installation docs link to those instructions for some treason https://podman.io/docs/installation#arch-linux--manjaro-linux
2024-03-22 22:14:13	phrik	Title: Podman Installation | Podman (at podman.io)
2024-03-22 22:14:31	wrycode	looks like rootless works by default for new users on my cloud Arch image
2024-03-22 22:15:26	wrycode	God I miss Arch
2024-03-22 22:15:31	wrycode	I'm so happy to be coming back
2024-03-22 22:17:15	moabeat	Why did you leave in the first place?
2024-03-22 22:18:03	Metroid	to be productive
2024-03-22 22:18:31	wrycode	Had to use fedora for work. Felt like I needed to test run the OS a bit and migrate some of my configs to Fedora so I could keep them in sync more easily
2024-03-22 22:19:24	wrycode	Turns out the homedir configs are mostly identical
2024-03-22 22:20:36	wrycode	The main difference on Fedora was worse documentation. Both for setting stuff up and for troubleshooting. If stuff breaks on Arch it's so much easier to fix, IMO. Other than that my personal experence as a user was pretty similar 
2024-03-22 22:20:52	moabeat	 If you are using the same tools, they should be identical.
2024-03-22 22:20:56	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-22 22:22:16	moabeat	I can only remember it from the time when it was called Red Hat. I was a fan of SuSE at that time, but I had to use Red Hat for work.
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2024-03-22 22:22:32	wrycode	I had to change some tools for hardware issues and compliance with work. But yes Fedora also limits downstream changes to default configuration
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2024-03-22 22:22:55	thurstylark	So, I had automatic display rotation working in plasma before v6 dropped, but it doesn't seem like an option any more. Is there something that I need to do to get that back?
2024-03-22 22:23:02	wrycode	I'm glad I didn't have to use red hat
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2024-03-22 22:32:32	thurstylark	Hmm... Apparently, switching to aur/iio-sensor-proxy-git has fixed it, so I guess there's a fix coming in the next release.
2024-03-22 22:32:34	thurstylark	!shurg
2024-03-22 22:32:35	phrik	乁║ ˙ 益 ˙ ║ㄏ
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2024-03-22 22:40:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-03-22 23:01:26	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-03-22 23:24:21	ThommoMC	So my system kernel paniced during a update a few days ago, and now pacman is report some corrupted packages
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2024-03-22 23:25:00	NetSysFire	reinstall all packages of the affected transaction, you can find them in pacman.log
2024-03-22 23:25:03	ThommoMC	Im currently running a btrfs scrub to see if I can find any errors, but Im not sure how to find any more packages that may be corrupted
2024-03-22 23:25:16	NetSysFire	also give us an exact error
2024-03-22 23:25:43	ThommoMC	I can't reinstall the package
2024-03-22 23:25:49	NetSysFire	!errors
2024-03-22 23:25:51	phrik	Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2024-03-22 23:26:00	ThommoMC	failed to prepare transaction (invalid or corrupted package)
2024-03-22 23:26:11	NetSysFire	because right now it sure sounds like it happened during the download, which is basically almost benign and can be very easily fixed by cleaning the package cache
2024-03-22 23:26:19	ThommoMC	It didnt
2024-03-22 23:26:37	NetSysFire	still, paste the full output
2024-03-22 23:26:43	ThommoMC	Of what?
2024-03-22 23:26:53	ThommoMC	The log or the command
2024-03-22 23:26:56	NetSysFire	the command
2024-03-22 23:27:08	NetSysFire	including what you invoke
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2024-03-22 23:27:46	ThommoMC	https://pastebin.com/sPyL17v6
2024-03-22 23:27:47	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XrkG.txt
2024-03-22 23:27:47	phrik	Title: sudo pacman -S wine[sudo] password for thommomc: warning: wine-9.4-1 is up t - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2024-03-22 23:29:13	ThommoMC	This is the second time it has happened
2024-03-22 23:29:29	ThommoMC	The first time it happend during the download phase so I just purged the cache
2024-03-22 23:29:42	Namarrgon	touch that file and reinstall the package
2024-03-22 23:29:47	ThommoMC	Also pacman still works fine
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2024-03-22 23:30:38	ThommoMC	Getting a error for files now
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2024-03-22 23:31:04	ThommoMC	Should i touch that to?
2024-03-22 23:31:18	ThommoMC	Wine seems to be working fine
2024-03-22 23:31:27	Namarrgon	what file?
2024-03-22 23:31:41	Namarrgon	post output, we cannot see your screen
2024-03-22 23:31:52	ThommoMC	Same error as before but instead of desc it now says files
2024-03-22 23:32:12	Namarrgon	for wine again?
2024-03-22 23:32:20	ThommoMC	yep
2024-03-22 23:32:30	ThommoMC	I think it might just be wine
2024-03-22 23:32:38	Namarrgon	touch it and try again
2024-03-22 23:32:39	ThommoMC	cause the log doesnt mention finishing upgrading wine
2024-03-22 23:32:44	teraflops	ThommoMC: which CPU is this? (the machine where pacman crashed)
2024-03-22 23:33:08	ThommoMC	Intel i5-8300H
2024-03-22 23:33:12	teraflops	today it happened the same to me
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2024-03-22 23:33:17	teraflops	hmm
2024-03-22 23:33:20	ThommoMC	uhhh
2024-03-22 23:33:30	Namarrgon	even if it crashed while installing the last package, that would mean that the hooks didn't run
2024-03-22 23:33:32	ThommoMC	it just spewed out a ton of file exists in filesystem errors
2024-03-22 23:33:45	ThommoMC	I cant even copy the full output
2024-03-22 23:34:07	ThommoMC	Its also saying its up to date
2024-03-22 23:35:09	ThommoMC	After I fix wine I can try running a full system upgrade to rerun any skipped hooks
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2024-03-22 23:36:13	ThommoMC	I haven't run a full upgrade in a day or two since I forgot
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2024-03-22 23:37:04	ThommoMC	Should I try reinstalling wine with --overwrite '*'?
2024-03-22 23:38:09	teraflops	in this situation, I guess so
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2024-03-22 23:38:32	ThommoMC	I worked without any errors
2024-03-22 23:38:43	ThommoMC	Going to try a full system upgrade now
2024-03-22 23:41:50	ThommoMC	Upgrade worked
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2024-03-22 23:43:05	ThommoMC	So i just ran pacreport --misssing-files and It found some
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2024-03-22 23:44:18	ThommoMC	Should I reinstall the packages with the missing files?
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2024-03-23 00:01:07	xyproblem	hello i need help setting up collectd to work with loki i think collectd is not sending any data to loki for some reason
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2024-03-23 00:08:18	xyproblem	the services are running loki is forwarding other logs and the journal seems fine other than no messages about it actually doing something
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2024-03-23 00:14:14	robzter	hey. I unstalled arch linux a short while ago but have a wierd problem. 4k videos are crazy jittery. and i cant get dolby atmos passthrough to work. if anyone could help me i would apreciate it. i installed the nvidia drivers. computer is a i7 with a 1080Ti
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2024-03-23 00:45:20	teraflops	robzter: what are you using to play the videos?
2024-03-23 00:45:36	ZLima12	also, which nvidia drivers are you using?
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2024-03-23 14:32:55	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-23 14:32:55	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1421 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1420 regular)
2024-03-23 05:12:05	Apollo	Ok my fault
2024-03-23 05:12:28	Psi-Jack	Your fault? For asking silly questions/
2024-03-23 05:12:45	espresso	I didn't mean we don't talk about it here, just that I can't think of a general reason. :)
2024-03-23 05:13:10	Apollo	Bro chill im just making conversation this chat dry as hell
2024-03-23 05:13:42	⚡ 	Psi-Jack pours some water out.
2024-03-23 05:16:09	kerneloops5087	who wouldn't want ring0 anticheat /s
2024-03-23 05:16:54	kerneloops5087	keyloggers ftw am i right?
2024-03-23 05:17:10	red_man	hi all so to program in rust I need the develpment meta pakage
2024-03-23 05:18:04	WizeWizard	!paste
2024-03-23 05:18:04	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-03-23 05:20:47	WizeWizard	Could someone please help me with a problem I'm having installing mingw-w64-gmp with paru? I was first having some trouble with it not finding my compiler (changed PATH so it could find a .dll), and now I'm getting this error: configure: error: Specified CC_FOR_BUILD doesn't seem to work
2024-03-23 05:20:59	WizeWizard	I can paste a link to my config.log if it helps
2024-03-23 05:21:22	red_man	hi all so to program in rust I need the develpment meta pakage
2024-03-23 05:22:01	sheep	red_man: yes, the "rust" package
2024-03-23 05:23:09	WizeWizard	https://0x0.st/Xr5q.log
2024-03-23 05:23:36	Gnana	WizeWizard: is hack script
2024-03-23 05:23:37	red_man	thats all i need 
2024-03-23 05:23:38	Gnana	?
2024-03-23 05:23:43	sheep	red_man: yes
2024-03-23 05:23:47	red_man	ok
2024-03-23 05:23:58	WizeWizard	Gnana: wdym hack script
2024-03-23 05:24:07	Gnana	i like your hostname
2024-03-23 05:24:10	Gnana	:)
2024-03-23 05:25:02	sheep	red_man: rust officially recommends using rustup instead for development, but the "rust" package in Arch's repositories should work well enough for causal usage. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/rust#Installation has instructions on how to use both
2024-03-23 05:25:04	phrik	Title: Rust - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-23 05:25:19	WizeWizard	oh, ty :P
2024-03-23 05:36:46	Gnana	How is going people?
2024-03-23 05:37:04	Psi-Jack	!welcomerpg Gnana
2024-03-23 05:37:04	phrik	Psi-Jack: BLEEP BLOOP
2024-03-23 05:37:10	Gnana	:)
2024-03-23 05:37:15	Psi-Jack	Hmm.. Seems I don't know that one. :p
2024-03-23 05:37:38	Gnana	!welcome Psi-Jack 
2024-03-23 05:37:38	phrik	Gnana: BLEEP BLOOP
2024-03-23 05:37:46	Gnana	!welcomedjalkjdklaj Psi-Jack 
2024-03-23 05:37:46	phrik	Gnana: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
2024-03-23 05:37:52	Gnana	:D
2024-03-23 05:38:23	Psi-Jack	No. What is the nature of your Arch Linux emergency?
2024-03-23 05:38:57	Gnana	nothing,just wondring around 
2024-03-23 05:39:18	Gnana	was nvim coding back then. and got it working well now
2024-03-23 05:39:29	Gnana	i mean the setuping the nvim
2024-03-23 05:40:04	Gnana	this channel very specific right? only archlinux talk right?
2024-03-23 05:40:21	Gnana	so i should shutmy mouth right
2024-03-23 05:40:28	Psi-Jack	!offtopic
2024-03-23 05:40:29	phrik	Take it to #archlinux-offtopic
2024-03-23 05:40:35	Gnana	yah ok
2024-03-23 05:40:49	WizeWizard	Can someone here please help :(
2024-03-23 05:41:04	Gnana	yes? what 911 ? 
2024-03-23 05:41:08	Gnana	whats the 911
2024-03-23 05:41:12	Apollo	Sorry Gnana this is the most toxic community on earth
2024-03-23 05:41:30	Psi-Jack	WizeWizard: paru is not supported here.
2024-03-23 05:41:34	Psi-Jack	#paru
2024-03-23 05:41:45	Gnana	sometimes i see that. 
2024-03-23 05:41:46	WizeWizard	Psi-Jack: mb, I'll go on there
2024-03-23 05:42:10	Psi-Jack	In general, AUR is not supported here, save for the build process involved in it.
2024-03-23 05:42:37	Gnana	oh i installed yay, is it not good?
2024-03-23 05:42:41	Gnana	oh sorry 
2024-03-23 05:42:43	Gnana	the paru
2024-03-23 05:42:45	Gnana	opk
2024-03-23 05:42:46	Apollo	Yay is good
2024-03-23 05:43:18	Psi-Jack	Meh. Not a fan of it.
2024-03-23 05:43:32	Gnana	Psi-Jack: which one your recommend?
2024-03-23 05:43:47	Psi-Jack	pacman
2024-03-23 05:44:01	Apollo	Arch linux user try not to be toxic challenge: impossible
2024-03-23 05:44:37	Gnana	when some thing is not working. 
2024-03-23 05:44:47	Apollo	Psi-Jack I know you probably prefer to use pacman but please respect the fact that other people need to install properietary software for their own reasons
2024-03-23 05:45:05	Psi-Jack	Apollo: I do. It's still not technically arch.
2024-03-23 05:45:14	Apollo	Using yay is great to keep track of and manage your software
2024-03-23 05:45:25	Psi-Jack	AUR is nicknamed the Arch Unsupported Repository because it's not part of the core Arch Linux repos.
2024-03-23 05:45:27	Apollo	Whatever you wanna say man
2024-03-23 05:45:31	Psi-Jack	Apollo: It's.. really not.
2024-03-23 05:45:49	Apollo	Do you feel smart for saying that?
2024-03-23 05:45:50	WizeWizard	Psi-Jack: imo as long as it works for you it works
2024-03-23 05:46:03	WizeWizard	like paru's been great for me, yay will be great for someone else
2024-03-23 05:46:07	Psi-Jack	aurto is a great way to manage your own build system for your own minimal needs from AUR that's not in Arch official repos. But even that should be used sparingly.
2024-03-23 05:46:35	badsektor	bcasue you might get hax0red
2024-03-23 05:46:36	Psi-Jack	But here, if you want to use AUR, you're only going to generally get support for the build process itself that's documented in the Arch Wiki.
2024-03-23 05:46:37	WizeWizard	either way the problem I had isn't a paru issue, it's a problem with the AUR package itself
2024-03-23 05:46:42	Apollo	Thank you wize, and I agree. We need to be more encouraging of people with different use cases for arch
2024-03-23 05:47:02	akik	yea respect the diversity or whatever
2024-03-23 05:47:54	Gnana	installing paru
2024-03-23 05:47:58	Psi-Jack	WizeWizard: Which can be another factor, itself.
2024-03-23 05:47:59	Apollo	Some people need to install Ms Teams at the request of their employer.. lets just be glad that we're all using arch in the first place
2024-03-23 05:48:03	Gnana	with yay -S paru 
2024-03-23 05:48:06	Gnana	hehe
2024-03-23 05:48:09	Gnana	ha
2024-03-23 05:48:23	WizeWizard	how dare you :(((
2024-03-23 05:48:29	Gnana	:D
2024-03-23 05:48:42	Psi-Jack	Apollo: Yeah? I also use chaotic-aur, but I don't ask for support /here/ for it. Because it's got nothing to do with Arch Linux.
2024-03-23 05:48:48	badsektor	gnana, i use arch btw
2024-03-23 05:48:54	⚡ 	Psi-Jack slaps badsektor 
2024-03-23 05:49:35	⚡ 	badsektor slaps Psi-Jack around a bit with a large trout.
2024-03-23 05:50:09	akik	aur literally has arch in its name
2024-03-23 05:50:15	WizeWizard	Psi-Jack: I feel like you're gatekeeping just a bit there. AUR helpers and packages are intrinsically Arch-related even if they aren't "officially" supported
2024-03-23 05:50:33	akik	gatekeepers gonna gatekeep
2024-03-23 05:50:56	Apollo	Also psi-jack, AUR stands for arch USER respository, not arch 'unsupported' repository
2024-03-23 05:51:08	red_man	lol
2024-03-23 05:51:08	Apollo	Arch is supported by arch users... same goes for the AUR
2024-03-23 05:51:30	Psi-Jack	Apollo: I did say it's NICKNAME.
2024-03-23 05:51:53	espresso	Gnana: Oh I was about to mention 'paru', by the author of Yay, which always worked well here. but many choices, whatever works for you :)
2024-03-23 05:51:54	Psi-Jack	If you want support for AUR packages, you contact the maintainer. 
2024-03-23 05:52:33	Psi-Jack	If you have a problem with the wrapper that utilizes AUR, you go to their channel for support, like #paru as was earlier presented.
2024-03-23 05:52:39	Apollo	Psi-Jack: have you been outside recently? seen the sunlight maybe?
2024-03-23 05:52:41	WizeWizard	dude, i was gonna do that but i wanted to see if anyone else here already knew what to do about it
2024-03-23 05:52:45	WizeWizard	and paru isn't the issue here
2024-03-23 05:52:49	Psi-Jack	Apollo: I walk my dogs every day, asshole.
2024-03-23 05:52:52	Apollo	You could just help and stop being so toxic to other users
2024-03-23 05:52:57	akik	yea
2024-03-23 05:52:57	Psi-Jack	Not stop trying to pick a fight.
2024-03-23 05:53:04	Psi-Jack	Now*
2024-03-23 05:53:11	akik	you try that first
2024-03-23 05:53:27	Psi-Jack	WizeWizard: Contact the AUR package maintainer about issues with their package they maintain.
2024-03-23 05:54:08	Apollo	You are being extremely toxic and I think I speak for everyone when I suggest you be more respectful and open to peoples questions and unique situations
2024-03-23 05:54:27	Psi-Jack	Apollo: I support Arch Linux by documentation in in the Arch Linux Wiki, I donate financially routinely, and I support it live in the community chat here and on Matrix. 
2024-03-23 05:54:29	WizeWizard	ty Apollo
2024-03-23 05:54:42	Apollo	We need to be more understanding in this community and help build each other up
2024-03-23 05:55:35	Psi-Jack	Some things, simply aren't going to be supported. That's just fact.
2024-03-23 05:56:56	WizeWizard	there's a difference between something being supported and asking for help with an "unsupported" thing in a public channel
2024-03-23 05:56:59	Apollo	That might be true, but your manner of speech and blatant attempts to be condescending are only going to drive people out, not invite discourse or encourage growth
2024-03-23 05:58:23	Psi-Jack	The only one being condescending is you, Apollo./
2024-03-23 05:58:57	Apollo	Thats a non-answer
2024-03-23 05:59:01	Psi-Jack	!ops Apollo 
2024-03-23 05:59:01	phrik	alad, BrainDamage, gehidore/man, grawity, jelle, MrElendig/Mion, Namarrgon - Apollo
2024-03-23 05:59:31	akik	Psi-Jack: if you know better, please update the COC at https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/ "Community technical support shall only be provided for the Arch Linux distribution and the Arch User Repository."
2024-03-23 05:59:31	phrik	Title: Code of Conduct | Arch Linux Terms (at terms.archlinux.org)
2024-03-23 06:00:02	akik	what a major a
2024-03-23 06:00:05	Apollo	Valid point akik
2024-03-23 06:00:16	akik	calls out !ops because his feelings are hurt
2024-03-23 06:00:20	sheep	support for the AUR does not necessarily include support for the contents of the AUR
2024-03-23 06:00:24	WizeWizard	wait, what's !ops
2024-03-23 06:00:44	sheep	it's the bot command to summon channel operators (what newer chat protocols call moderators)
2024-03-23 06:00:44	akik	when did arch turn corporate?
2024-03-23 06:00:53	WizeWizard	lol
2024-03-23 06:01:16	WizeWizard	it's fine, i'll figure out the gmp thing
2024-03-23 06:01:26	Psi-Jack	sheep: Yep, that's literally all I've been saying this entire time. But Apollo's calling me toxic for doing so.
2024-03-23 06:01:28	Psi-Jack	LOL
2024-03-23 06:01:37	akik	Psi-Jack: if you know better, please update the COC at https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/ "Community technical support shall only be provided for the Arch Linux distribution and the Arch User Repository."
2024-03-23 06:01:37	phrik	Title: Code of Conduct | Arch Linux Terms (at terms.archlinux.org)
2024-03-23 06:03:25	Psi-Jack	I see. akik's also here being a problem. Sigh. 
2024-03-23 06:03:32	akik	no u
2024-03-23 06:03:37	Apollo	Psi-Jack admit he is wrong challenge: impossible
2024-03-23 06:04:33	WizeWizard	Psi-Jack: just because you're donating to the Arch foundation or whatever doesn't mean you get to be a jerk about people trying to get help
2024-03-23 06:04:35	Psi-Jack	Anyway, problem solved. Moving on.
2024-03-23 06:04:39	WizeWizard	bleh
2024-03-23 06:04:47	Psi-Jack	WizeWizard: What was being a jerk about telling you where to get help?
2024-03-23 06:04:48	Apollo	Deflect harder
2024-03-23 06:05:20	⚡ 	virtualsid sighs
2024-03-23 06:05:30	WizeWizard	saying I shouldn't be asking a cursory question related to Arch here incase someone's able and willing to help?
2024-03-23 06:05:40	WizeWizard	either way i just want this to be done, it's an upstream problem anyways
2024-03-23 06:05:49	Psi-Jack	But.. You weren't asking Arch Linux questions. You were asking paru and AUR questions.
2024-03-23 06:05:55	Psi-Jack	More specifically AUR package issues.
2024-03-23 06:06:08	WizeWizard	jesus this had nothing to do with paru
2024-03-23 06:06:30	WizeWizard	look, i'm not gonna talk about this anymore. it's already gone too far
2024-03-23 06:06:46	Psi-Jack	👍Great! Good luck. :)
2024-03-23 06:09:11	virtualsid	WizeWizard: I gotta say, I'm not sure why your question got such a response, but this channel isn't always like that. Also, be aware of /ignore.
2024-03-23 06:09:47	rcf	There's nothing wrong with asking about an AUR package, within reason.  
2024-03-23 06:10:53	Psi-Jack	Yep. Within reason I totally agree. I never saw an actual issue being reported, only a problem with pari.
2024-03-23 06:10:54	virtualsid	indeed. And I've had help like that too.
2024-03-23 06:10:55	Psi-Jack	paru*
2024-03-23 06:11:02	Apollo	Psi-Jack I want you to know that I invited a friend over tonight who is not aqquainted with the linux community. I was telling him over dinner about how toxic this community is and he did not believe me when I told him how bad it can get. Hes sitting right next to me now and is laughing his ass off right now
2024-03-23 06:11:25	virtualsid	Apollo: you don't seem to be adding to the conversation, just trying to get people more annoyed.
2024-03-23 06:11:25	WizeWizard	jesus christ Psi-Jack this wasn't a paru problem
2024-03-23 06:11:32	Apollo	God damn you guys are good at putting on a show
2024-03-23 06:11:41	archdemon	:|
2024-03-23 06:11:45	Apollo	What a shitshow, I hate this community. Goodnight everyone
2024-03-23 06:12:00	Apollo	!gn
2024-03-23 06:12:00	phrik	Good night to all from Apollo!
2024-03-23 06:12:02	akik	i love it 
2024-03-23 06:12:08	WizeWizard	gn Apollo
2024-03-23 06:12:20	Psi-Jack	WizeWizard: Please focus on the issue. You didn't provide much of an actual issue, but you did point out paru, specifically. Had you provided logs of the issue of the compile process of the package you'd have gotten easily more insight.
2024-03-23 06:12:23	WizeWizard	sorry for the trouble lol
2024-03-23 06:12:36	WizeWizard	...i did provide logs
2024-03-23 06:12:41	Psi-Jack	Did you?
2024-03-23 06:12:43	⚡ 	Psi-Jack looks back
2024-03-23 06:13:00	virtualsid	yeah... very early on
2024-03-23 06:13:10	WizeWizard	21:23:09     WizeWizard │ https://0x0.st/Xr5q.log
2024-03-23 06:13:15	Psi-Jack	I must have missed that, and I apologize.
2024-03-23 06:13:36	virtualsid	It was quite far back in scrollback from the 2nd request for help, so, can be excused, IMO :
2024-03-23 06:13:40	virtualsid	:)
2024-03-23 06:13:48	WizeWizard	yeah, that was mb
2024-03-23 06:13:50	Psi-Jack	Yeah, I see that.
2024-03-23 06:14:02	akik	WizeWizard: conftest.c:15:10: fatal error: ac_nonexistent.h: No such file or directory
2024-03-23 06:14:44	Psi-Jack	Yeah, this looks like an AUR maintainer's issue to fix.
2024-03-23 06:14:54	virtualsid	now, wtf did I come to IRC. I got sidetracked :P
2024-03-23 06:15:09	⚡ 	Psi-Jack is always on IRC.
2024-03-23 06:15:32	virtualsid	hahaha.
2024-03-23 06:16:26	Psi-Jack	WizeWizard: Yeah. Sorry, seriously. I didn't see the log posting because it was hidden between posts, and you re-asking for help in the midst of off-topic chatter going on. 
2024-03-23 06:16:35	Psi-Jack	And further, Apollo's ranting.
2024-03-23 06:16:44	Psi-Jack	NetSysFire++
2024-03-23 06:16:54	Psi-Jack	Funny how many do, many do not.
2024-03-23 06:17:12	virtualsid	I feel like we should now move this to #archlinux-offtopic - but that channel is scary at times ;)
2024-03-23 06:17:54	archdemon	lol
2024-03-23 06:17:56	Psi-Jack	Hmmm... Indeed.
2024-03-23 06:18:12	Psi-Jack	I'm there as well, but most of the time, the subject matter is.... No thank you.
2024-03-23 06:20:54	Psi-Jack	On the bright side, I finally got my desktop rolled over fully to the light side. Been working on small little approaches to migrate the important bits of things over, as my desktop was using EndeavourOS, originally, but is now all Arch Linux actual, thanks to some nice coding work of mine to work with pacman's package listing and archinstall json
2024-03-23 06:20:54	Psi-Jack	formatting. :)
2024-03-23 06:21:39	WizeWizard	ooo nice
2024-03-23 06:21:53	WizeWizard	what wm are you using?
2024-03-23 06:22:04	Psi-Jack	kwin_x11
2024-03-23 06:22:51	WizeWizard	i'm using dwm
2024-03-23 06:23:11	Psi-Jack	Suckless software. No thanks.
2024-03-23 06:23:55	Psi-Jack	At least two window-managers have been derived from dwm to make it actually better and configurable without recompiling.
2024-03-23 06:24:23	WizeWizard	what are they? i might check them out
2024-03-23 06:24:33	Psi-Jack	awesome is the one I know from memory.
2024-03-23 06:24:35	virtualsid	I use dmenu, is that also 'wrong' to you, because it's suckless, Psi-Jack? Curious only, not starting a fight :)
2024-03-23 06:25:05	Psi-Jack	virtualsid: dmenu is not something I'd ever use, recommend, or ... Well anything. So, yes, pretty much.
2024-03-23 06:25:40	Psi-Jack	At least dmenu works without any configuration, which means it can be included in the arch repos. Unlike dwm.
2024-03-23 06:26:11	virtualsid	heh. I use dmenu by default with i3. I haven't moved to rofi yet - which seems to be the launcher thingy of choice now (right?)
2024-03-23 06:26:37	virtualsid	I only learned yesterday that dwm is meant to be recompiled if you want to configure it.
2024-03-23 06:27:19	WizeWizard	it's really no hassle compiling it anyways, takes like a few seconds and a reboot and all's well
2024-03-23 06:27:42	Psi-Jack	rofi is reasonable, from what I'd seen. I'm not an autotiling person, I hate those most times. I'm curious if COSMIC DE will actually be worth their weight in idealism, because they're basically re-creating the wheel all over again, but doing some things better.
2024-03-23 06:27:53	Psi-Jack	WizeWizard: A reboot? Naaah...
2024-03-23 06:28:07	⚡ 	virtualsid looks up cosmic DE
2024-03-23 06:28:17	virtualsid	and yes, wtf... 'reboot'!? WHAT IS THIS, macOS?! :P
2024-03-23 06:28:46	WizeWizard	actually, not even a reboot. pretty sure i can just restart x
2024-03-23 06:28:47	Psi-Jack	Not even. MacOS you don't have to reboot very often too. 
2024-03-23 06:28:56	Psi-Jack	WizeWizard: Eggsnactly.
2024-03-23 06:29:06	virtualsid	I think that used to be true about 10 years ago, Psi-Jack. At least, that's how I feel nowadays :P
2024-03-23 06:30:23	virtualsid	okay. *I* need to just stick to offtopic. I'm not helping :)
2024-03-23 06:30:44	Psi-Jack	Hmm. Nope. I don't think so. Been using Linux for over 30 years, macOS for about... 20 years.
2024-03-23 06:30:49	Psi-Jack	LOL
2024-03-23 06:45:32	thurstylark	Is there a way to create a new systemd service based on an existing one? Maybe something like an override, but done in a way where the original unit is preserved?
2024-03-23 06:46:54	Psi-Jack	systemctl edit <service>
2024-03-23 06:47:09	Psi-Jack	Hmm., but you want the old and the new?
2024-03-23 06:47:16	espresso	thurstylark: so not https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd#Drop-in_files ? I guess just copy them
2024-03-23 06:47:18	phrik	Title: systemd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-23 06:47:35	thurstylark	yeah, I want to be able to run one or the other version at will
2024-03-23 06:47:38	Psi-Jack	yeah, if you want the old and new, just cp the base one to /etc/systemd/system/newname
2024-03-23 06:47:53	Psi-Jack	.service of course.
2024-03-23 06:47:55	thurstylark	Alrighty, figured that might be the case, but wanted to double check :P
2024-03-23 06:48:05	espresso	[troubleshooters service announcement] sudo ln -s $(which systemctl) /usr/local/bin/sc; sudo ln -s $(which journalctl) /usr/local/bin/jc
2024-03-23 06:48:07	Psi-Jack	Yeah, override is just for the same existing service.
2024-03-23 06:48:18	Psi-Jack	Hmmm
2024-03-23 07:09:50	WizeWizard	well, i figured out the gmp problem! It was indeed a PKGBUILD problem, i'll prob tell them about it
2024-03-23 07:10:51	virtualsid	please do :)
2024-03-23 08:58:45	rcf	WizeWizard++
2024-03-23 10:52:46	fetzenfisch	thurstylark: I have no reference for this But I'm doing based on this: Basically you can create an @-service file for any service. E. g. dnsmasq@.service. Then you can use the %i %I flag (is somewhere in systemd manual). So you have a file like this https://0x0.st/XrRB.txt (using %i) named /etc/systemd/system/dnsmasq@.service and you can enable/disable it with dnsmasq@mytask1 and dnsmasq@mytask2
2024-03-23 10:59:37	susi	espresso: why not make use of your shell's aliasing features?
2024-03-23 11:56:38	lmat	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Parental_control has a broken link to Thyme-AUR. The Microsoft Github project says it's unmaintained. Should this entry be removed from the wiki?
2024-03-23 11:56:39	phrik	Title: Parental control - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-23 12:49:06	MrElendig	lmat: probably
2024-03-23 12:49:42	MrElendig	lmat: you could always throw a note on the talk page about it and then remove if no one complains
2024-03-23 12:56:58	Manouchehri	Does anyone know if it's possible to enable Intel's vTPM from within Linux? I'm on a remote system where I can't interact with the UEFI menus directly
2024-03-23 12:59:00	Foxboron	Manouchehri: You can't
2024-03-23 13:01:26	Manouchehri	Foxboron: hmm, you sure? I just remembered /sys/firmware/efi/efivars is a thing
2024-03-23 13:01:40	Foxboron	Manouchehri: Yes, what about that path?
2024-03-23 13:12:29	rcf	Messing with them is not necessarily fun
2024-03-23 13:15:26	Manouchehri	rcf: yeah.. :P 
2024-03-23 13:20:34	Manouchehri	oh, never mind, looks like I can get a KVM to enable it myself
2024-03-23 14:26:07	Xesxen	Kooha depends on two packages still in testing (glib2>=2.80, libadwaita>=1:1.5.0). Is that supposed to happen? Pacman is complaining about this when upgrading. https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/kooha/
2024-03-23 14:26:09	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - kooha 2.3.0-4 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2024-03-23 14:29:35	Scimmia	no, it's not supposed to happen. ping alerque
2024-03-23 14:29:43	Manouchehri	PATH        DEVICE      DRIVER
2024-03-23 14:29:43	Manouchehri	/dev/tpmrm0 MSFT0101:00 tpm_crb
2024-03-23 14:29:45	Manouchehri	yay, it's enabled :D 
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2024-03-23 15:14:36	alerque	Scimmia: Xesxen: Yes we know that's not supposed to happen, definetly a mistake. But also not an easy one to fix in this case because rebuilding it against non-testing packages isn't an option. See https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/kooha/-/issues/1
2024-03-23 15:14:37	phrik	Title: kooha 2.3.0 requires libadwaita>=1.5, not yet in stable repos. (#1) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / kooha · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-23 16:26:26	sovereigncat	hi, is there a way to request that a certain package be added to the AUR repository?
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2024-03-23 16:26:53	gromit	sovereigncat: you can package it yourself :)
2024-03-23 16:27:03	mpan	sovereigncat: hi. As in: through “official channels”? No. AUR is user-created content. 
2024-03-23 16:27:24	mpan	sovereigncat: if anybody wants to maintain a PKGBUILD in AUR, they may. So if you find somebody, who wants…
2024-03-23 16:27:40	sovereigncat	oh cool
2024-03-23 16:28:17	sovereigncat	ok
2024-03-23 16:28:18	sovereigncat	thanks
2024-03-23 16:29:21	sovereigncat	i'm trying to get blender running and it seems to depend on the package, libosdGPU.so.3.5.0, also my computer has an arm cpu
2024-03-23 16:29:38	phrik	#archlinuxarm
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2024-03-23 16:30:54	sovereigncat	ah okay
2024-03-23 16:31:17	gromit	sovereigncat: extra/opensubdiv has usr/lib/libosdGPU.so.3.6.0, so maybe thats a good starter with the ALARM people :) 
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2024-03-23 16:32:25	BrainDamage	there's no official policy, but they aren't actively yeeted out
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2024-03-23 16:32:53	BrainDamage	so perhaps "tolerated" is a good term for it
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2024-03-23 16:36:18	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-23 16:36:18	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1428 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1427 regular)
2024-03-23 16:36:19	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-03-23 16:39:34	Namarrgon	as long as it is usable on official architectures nobody will object to it supporting additional architectures if the maintainer wants to support them
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2024-03-23 16:40:47	Scimmia	as gromit pointed out, it wouldn't be allowed because it would be a duplicate of opensubdiv anyway
2024-03-23 16:43:11	Scimmia	It's either a partial update or a missing rebuild issue, not something for the AUR
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2024-03-23 16:47:57	gromit	Ye
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2024-03-23 17:02:09	astralc	wasn't there rule that aur packages must at least be buildable/usable on official arch?
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2024-03-23 17:20:39	petrvel	I don't think so, right now I can see some ARM kernel binaries in the AUR that definitely won't run on any x86_64 machine
2024-03-23 17:20:41	Psi-Jack	Hmmm.. Okay, I'm having difficulty getting my printer to work. I have a driverless-capable AirPrint printer. I'm running systemd-resolved, and have avahi-daemon.{service|socket} disabled. CUPS WebUI sees the printer, sometimes, on "Find New Printers" but it's always the lpd://type connection, and not IPP. 
2024-03-23 17:21:08	petrvel	can't you just add the printer by its URI manually
2024-03-23 17:21:25	Psi-Jack	I probably could, but it should work in discovery, always has before...
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2024-03-23 17:22:58	FrozenInferno	!paste
2024-03-23 17:22:58	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-03-23 17:28:41	Psi-Jack	Huh... systemd-resolved mDNS is at issue here, avahi-daemon's actually worked.
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2024-03-23 17:34:57	Psi-Jack	Hmm, KDE's system settings still can't add it, though, and the WebUI is asking for make, when I want to add it driverless..
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2024-03-23 17:36:28	Psi-Jack	Huh,, Make "generic", Model "IPP Everywhere" heh
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2024-03-23 17:38:14	badsektor	j/ hax0r
2024-03-23 17:38:25	nerdistmonk	wonder how long it will be until we get MATE 1.28.3 on arch, they finally got wayland support in.
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2024-03-23 17:39:05	Psi-Jack	nerdistmonk: Did they? Like Cinnamon's experimental support?
2024-03-23 17:39:26	nerdistmonk	Psi-Jack it's a wayland session using wayfire + some thingy to theme it with
2024-03-23 17:39:35	nerdistmonk	either way mate is very outdated on arch
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2024-03-23 17:39:42	nerdistmonk	no one has bothered to update it in over 5 months
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2024-03-23 17:39:44	Psi-Jack	MATE itself is very outdated. :p
2024-03-23 17:39:58	Psi-Jack	I've always referred to MATE as GNOME 2 on failing life support.
2024-03-23 17:39:59	nerdistmonk	MATE has been getting updates steadily the entire time, so idk what you mean there.
2024-03-23 17:40:10	nerdistmonk	its more up to date on debian than arch somehow.
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2024-03-23 17:48:21	Psi-Jack	That's actually a bit odd, yes.
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2024-03-23 17:49:02	nerdistmonk	yeah over on debian they got 1.28.2 into upstream
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2024-03-23 17:49:20	nerdistmonk	I haven't looked into arch's testing repos to see if they upstreamed anything
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2024-03-23 18:01:57	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-23 18:01:57	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1434 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1433 regular)
2024-03-23 17:52:55	Psi-Jack	And there we go. Yeah, seems systemd-resolved's mDNS support is still very much broken.
2024-03-23 17:53:10	Psi-Jack	All it does it cause me issues, while avahi-daemon works..
2024-03-23 17:54:15	nerdistmonk	Psi-Jack systemd-resolved is not like systemd-boot, specifically systemd-boot works good because it isn't actually part of systemd :P
2024-03-23 17:54:49	Psi-Jack	But yet, it is.
2024-03-23 17:54:53	Psi-Jack	So, that's false. :p
2024-03-23 17:56:45	nerdistmonk	Psi-Jack it was made outside of systemd originally, they just "valve'd" it into the family.
2024-03-23 17:56:58	nerdistmonk	"hey that thing is neat and it works, lets absorb it!"
2024-03-23 17:57:00	Psi-Jack	Merged, but yes.
2024-03-23 17:57:11	Psi-Jack	I know the history, I was there.
2024-03-23 17:57:24	Scimmia	nerdistmonk: that's not even close
2024-03-23 17:57:33	Scimmia	it was written by one of the main devs of systemd
2024-03-23 17:57:43	Psi-Jack	Exactly!
2024-03-23 17:57:50	nerdistmonk	"systemd-boot is a free and open-source boot manager created by obsoleting the gummiboot project and merging it into systemd in May 2015."
2024-03-23 17:58:09	Scimmia	yes, so what?
2024-03-23 17:58:15	Psi-Jack	nerdistmonk: Seems you can google. But can you research?
2024-03-23 17:58:34	demonicmaniac1	did systemd-resolved ever get rid of the default fallbacks to google dns? that was kind of my major gripe with the default hardcoded dns fallbacks
2024-03-23 17:59:34	Psi-Jack	demonicmaniac1: No, but it doesn't just assumed to use them if existing DNS servers exist from resolve.conf, DHCP, etc.
2024-03-23 18:00:48	gromit	demonicmaniac1: arch changes these defaults https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/systemd/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads#L122-133
2024-03-23 18:00:49	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / systemd · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-03-23 18:01:04	nerdistmonk	Psi-Jack I can research just fine, just because someone makes systemd doesn't mean a seperate project that later on got merged in is also systemd.
2024-03-23 18:01:23	Psi-Jack	🤦‍♂️
2024-03-23 18:01:24	demonicmaniac1	gromit: thanks!
2024-03-23 18:01:36	nerdistmonk	same guy made both (Kay Sievers) but they were seperate at one point in the past.
2024-03-23 18:01:57	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-23 18:02:00	Scimmia	which doesn't mean anything
2024-03-23 18:02:07	demonicmaniac1	Psi-Jack: i am aware they are only used if there is no configuration of any sort or dhcp and it is very unlikely to happen, i still hate it
2024-03-23 18:02:36	Psi-Jack	demonicmaniac1: I mean you can easily disable them, with a single edit to resolved.conf
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2024-03-23 18:03:16	demonicmaniac1	Psi-Jack: by that logic anything is fine if you can just disable it such as tracking etc *shrugs*
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2024-03-23 18:04:28	Psi-Jack	demonicmaniac1: tracking's a different issue *entirely*
2024-03-23 18:05:39	Gnana	wezterm not opening in hyprland?
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2024-03-23 18:06:54	Psi-Jack	Poifect. Printing functional again. Tabtop uses desktop as localized shared printer when home, not available when not home. Easy peasy. :)
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2024-03-23 18:07:48	Gnana	is the problem with wayland and wezterm?
2024-03-23 18:07:54	Gnana	why its not opening
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2024-03-23 18:08:13	Gnana	nothing coming on writting the command wezterm
2024-03-23 18:08:14	Psi-Jack	Have you tried running it from another terminal?
2024-03-23 18:08:27	Gnana	yes kitty alacritty working fine
2024-03-23 18:08:42	Gnana	what could be the problem
2024-03-23 18:08:44	Gnana	?
2024-03-23 18:08:57	Warepire	A quick google gave me this: https://github.com/wez/wezterm/issues/5197
2024-03-23 18:08:57	Gnana	i have also tried the git version
2024-03-23 18:09:05	Psi-Jack	alacritty is the superior terminal anyway.
2024-03-23 18:09:06	⚡ 	Gnana clicks
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2024-03-23 18:10:26	Gnana	how to add this line You can add config.enable_wayland = false to your config to temporary fix this. to my hyprland config?
2024-03-23 18:10:29	Gnana	it s gives the error
2024-03-23 18:10:37	Gnana	that does not exist
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2024-03-23 18:10:50	Gnana	this config.enable_wayland = false
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2024-03-23 18:11:13	Gnana	i simply copied and pasted in hyprland config
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2024-03-23 18:11:39	Gnana	ah
2024-03-23 18:11:41	Gnana	ok
2024-03-23 18:11:52	Gnana	i has to added to my wezterm config file
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2024-03-23 18:13:25	Gnana	thanks its owrking now
2024-03-23 18:13:33	Gnana	thank you its working now.
2024-03-23 18:13:49	edu4rdshl	You can always write in one line, hold your enter :p
2024-03-23 18:14:21	Gnana	ok, sorry
2024-03-23 18:16:38	Gnana	ls
2024-03-23 18:22:12	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-23 18:23:20	Gnana	thank you
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2024-03-23 18:38:31	teraflops	my express card reader does not work, but if I rmmod the modules and modprobe them again it works perfectly. been googling a bit about the model and kernel modules but no useful info, no errors in dmesg either
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2024-03-23 18:39:29	teraflops	why is this happening? I guess I can write a service to rmmod/modprobe things but I feel this is not the right approach
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2024-03-23 18:40:36	Warepire	teraflops: Anything fun in dmesg?
2024-03-23 18:40:41	teraflops	nothing
2024-03-23 18:40:56	kevr	teraflops: if you look at the module parameters, do you see anything in particular? perhaps you could compare with the options on boot vs the options after modprobe?
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2024-03-23 18:41:24	Warepire	teraflops: Also, which module is it? It might come with debug options for more log
2024-03-23 18:41:27	kevr	https://serverfault.com/questions/62316/how-do-i-list-loaded-linux-module-parameter-values
2024-03-23 18:41:28	phrik	Title: kernel - How do I list loaded Linux module parameter values? - Server Fault (at serverfault.com)
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2024-03-23 18:41:50	teraflops	yeah is accprts an option I've tried enabling/disabling it at modprobe.d same results
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2024-03-23 18:42:03	teraflops	it accepts*
2024-03-23 18:42:44	teraflops	rtsx_pci 0000:02:00.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0002)
2024-03-23 18:42:58	teraflops	rtsx_pci sorry
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2024-03-23 18:44:37	teraflops	already tried ptions rtsx_pci msi_en=0/1 same resukt
2024-03-23 18:44:40	teraflops	result^
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2024-03-23 18:45:09	kevr	teraflops: but if you check the kernel param when you boot with that setting, do you see the parameter?
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2024-03-23 18:45:33	kevr	when listing out the current module parameters
2024-03-23 18:45:40	kevr	(without running modprobe yourself)
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2024-03-23 18:48:26	teraflops	if that param is set to 1 the express card reader does not work even unloading/reloading modules again
2024-03-23 18:48:31	Warepire	teraflops: Could you add dynamic debug prints via your kernel command line for all files in drivers/misc/cardreader? https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.14/admin-guide/dynamic-debug-howto.html
2024-03-23 18:48:31	phrik	Title: Dynamic debug — The Linux Kernel documentation (at www.kernel.org)
2024-03-23 18:48:44	teraflops	hmm
2024-03-23 18:49:00	Warepire	The driver prints all sorts if interesting status information when debugging is enabled, which could help us compare fail vs. working
2024-03-23 18:49:26	teraflops	hanks for the link!
2024-03-23 18:49:29	teraflops	thanks
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2024-03-23 18:59:22	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-03-23 18:50:33	⚡ 	Warepire just learned it can also be done via modprobe.d for a specific driver
2024-03-23 18:50:48	demonicmaniac1	definitely do what Warepire said but just a question - do you quick boot or normal boot on your machine? i assume it's a laptop with expresscard reader built in since it seemingly isn't usb
2024-03-23 18:50:48	Warepire	(never needed that feature before)
2024-03-23 18:59:23	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-23 18:59:41	teraflops	reading the link
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2024-03-23 19:00:37	teraflops	demonicmaniac1: idk about quick/normal boot
2024-03-23 19:01:14	teraflops	at bios (uefi) level it's set to quick boot iirc
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2024-03-23 19:58:35	Psi-Jack	teraflops: BIOS or UEFI? Not both. :)
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2024-03-23 20:31:03	intelfx	hi. is there a tool for auto-bumping PKGBUILDs against new upstream reelases?
2024-03-23 20:31:33	alad	https://github.com/bcyran/bumper
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2024-03-23 20:31:41	Psi-Jack	intelfx: There's a tool to automate building new versions of packages and maintaining it's own repository, if that're more to your interest.
2024-03-23 20:32:17	Psi-Jack	Or bumper, that's a new one I never seen before. :)
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2024-03-23 20:32:56	intelfx	I already maintain my own repository, what I need is automate the pkgver bumping part
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2024-03-23 20:33:10	Psi-Jack	aurto, anyway, is what I'm referring to.
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2024-03-23 20:33:17	intelfx	alad: nice! a bit limited in the upstream options tho'
2024-03-23 20:33:20	Psi-Jack	it auto-builds whatever you add to it. 
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2024-03-23 20:33:54	Psi-Jack	The only thing it, itself, doesn't do is auto-rebuild things based on updates to dependant packages, which would be nice if it did.
2024-03-23 20:34:16	intelfx	that's the hard problem that nobody is reasonably solving :-)
2024-03-23 20:34:20	alad	intelfx: ye you can add your own additions
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2024-03-23 20:35:09	Psi-Jack	intelfx: The hard problem is insuring that every AUR package is able to be built properly in an enclosed chroot build system, so it can be verifiable always built properly.  ;)
2024-03-23 20:35:16	gromit	intelfx: I'm using a combination of nvchecker and devtools, but thats not really automatic
2024-03-23 20:35:34	intelfx	Psi-Jack: that's the easy problem, it's solved a few times already, eg alad's aurutils
2024-03-23 20:35:40	intelfx	gromit: that's what I suspected
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2024-03-23 20:36:17	Psi-Jack	intelfx: Hmm, aurto uses aurutils.
2024-03-23 20:36:52	gromit	intelfx: I believe I dont fully understand the usecase, so the packages build from a stable version but you want them auto-bumped?  
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2024-03-23 20:37:29	intelfx	gromit: yes, it's not about -git/-nightly packages (or anything with a "pkgver()"), it's just a bunch of stable packages that I want to autobump whenever the upstream has a new version
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2024-03-23 20:37:37	intelfx	the bunch of stable packages in question is jetbrains' IDEs
2024-03-23 20:37:56	gromit	ah gotcha
2024-03-23 20:37:57	intelfx	so there has to be some sort of custom scraping functionality
2024-03-23 20:39:07	gromit	I mean you could also make a -latest package with pkgver() 
2024-03-23 20:40:12	intelfx	kinda, but that would be stretching the definition of pkgver(), as it needs to be run _before_ extracting sources and before prepare()
2024-03-23 20:40:54	intelfx	so I'd have to pair it with noextract to avoid extracting multi-GB tarballs on each bump attempt
2024-03-23 20:41:06	intelfx	or hack around it otherwise
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2024-03-23 20:47:29	gromit	Yeah ok, that also sounds not too good 
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2024-03-23 20:49:33	demonicmaniac1	intelfx: wouldn't it be smarter to tie that into some sort of rss feed that hopefully upstream provides of releases?
2024-03-23 20:49:45	demonicmaniac1	and a "latest" download link
2024-03-23 20:49:45	intelfx	perhaps
2024-03-23 20:50:04	intelfx	but that's more effort that this task needs
2024-03-23 20:50:19	intelfx	I'm sure their servers won't mind me curl'ing the download page once a day
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2024-03-23 20:51:05	intelfx	than*
2024-03-23 20:51:17	gromit	intelfx: doesn't jetbrains-toolbox offer autoupdates? 
2024-03-23 20:51:33	intelfx	it does but for some reason I prefer to do it by pacman
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2024-03-23 20:53:36	intelfx	anyway I guess I'll wire up nvchecker to my rebuilder script -- it's already an abomination, what's one more feature
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2024-03-23 21:09:56	kevr	hm.. on plasma 6, i had chromium open watching a video on Amazon Prime Video, after screen lock, the audio from the video is completely gone (not showing up in pulseaudio applications when playing), but if I open up youtube on the same browser, I'm able to get sound out of it. It's just the Amazon Prime Video in this case that seemingly doesn't produce audio, or even an audio application in
2024-03-23 21:09:57	kevr	pulse
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2024-03-23 21:10:45	kevr	of course, youtube *does* create the application for "Chromium," but sound is still not coming out from the prime video, only other sources.
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2024-03-23 21:11:55	kevr	ah.. do ignore, apparently the lock muted the sound in the web player.
2024-03-23 21:11:56	mefistofeles	I've seen a bunch of glitches in wayland wafter locking with SDDM, I guess the sddm wayland support is still experimental
2024-03-23 21:12:03	kevr	ic
2024-03-23 21:12:45	mefistofeles	kevr: now, that sounds nice, locking muting stuff, but unlocking should undo whatever it muted :P 
2024-03-23 21:12:53	kevr	right
2024-03-23 21:13:16	kevr	it doesn't seem to be reliable, this is the only time i've experienced that happening, normally it just works fine
2024-03-23 21:13:32	kevr	normally being every other lock i've encountered on plasma so far before this.
2024-03-23 21:13:45	mefistofeles	kevr: is this with wayland?
2024-03-23 21:13:52	kevr	mefistofeles: X11
2024-03-23 21:13:55	mefistofeles	ah ok
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2024-03-23 21:18:03	mefistofeles	kevr: though I doubt that's plasma doing something, I'd rather think it's chromium or the display manager you use
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2024-03-23 21:20:09	kevr	thought it was a more serious issue until i realized the web player got muted, i'll just deal with it as a caveat for now
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2024-03-23 21:26:06	Aryan	Hi, is it a good idea to make subvolume for /var/lib/pacman/local so when rolling back (going back in time) only pacman db and nothing else from /var is reverted?
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2024-03-23 21:27:24	Aryan	also my /var is on a subvolume
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2024-03-23 21:27:56	Aryan	so is /boot 
2024-03-23 21:28:04	Psi-Jack	Aryan: No.
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2024-03-23 21:28:23	Psi-Jack	If you're rolling back a snapshot, you WANT the package databases to roll back with it.
2024-03-23 21:28:26	Namarrgon	if the pacman db and the files in the filesystem get out of sync that's bad news
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2024-03-23 21:28:37	Psi-Jack	And putting all of /var on it's own subvolume is vastly going to break this.
2024-03-23 21:28:38	Namarrgon	or *fun*, depending on who you ask
2024-03-23 21:29:07	Aryan	Psi-Jack, Namarrgon yes! that's why i'm seeparating. i want only pacman db to roll back.
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2024-03-23 21:29:15	Psi-Jack	...
2024-03-23 21:29:17	Namarrgon	you don't understand
2024-03-23 21:29:19	Psi-Jack	No you don't!
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2024-03-23 21:29:57	mefistofeles	yeah, that sounds like a bad idea indeed
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2024-03-23 21:30:00	Namarrgon	imagine you install a package, and then you roll back to the state before you installed that pacakge. now you have unowned files in the filesystem
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2024-03-23 21:30:18	Namarrgon	or the other way around, you remove the package and then roll back the database
2024-03-23 21:30:20	Psi-Jack	or you have version mismatched files in the system, depending.
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2024-03-23 21:30:36	Psi-Jack	Yeah, all around this is bad news.
2024-03-23 21:31:01	Earnestly	There's no need to have rollback, it's all a bit of a nonsense
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2024-03-23 21:31:27	Psi-Jack	Rollback is good, when used correctly and as an option, not an expectation.
2024-03-23 21:31:57	Psi-Jack	Still not a cure for having proper backups, of course.
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2024-03-23 21:38:06	Namarrgon	are recursive snapshots a thing on the btrfs roadmap?
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2024-03-23 21:38:42	Aryan	i guess my question was ambigious, what I am trying to say is " rolling back /var/lib/pacman/local __**from the /var filesystem**__, I still rollback /, plus that I also roll back /var/lib/pacman/local. **not whole /var**.
2024-03-23 21:39:05	mefistofeles	Namarrgon: what do you mean by recursive? Like nested? A snapshot containing snapshots?
2024-03-23 21:39:41	Namarrgon	mefistofeles: nested subvolumes, yes
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2024-03-23 21:40:15	Namarrgon	Aryan: if you roll back the pacman db, you have to roll back everything else that contains pacman-managed files to the _exact_ same state
2024-03-23 21:40:39	Namarrgon	splitting out all of /var is nonsense, imho
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2024-03-23 21:41:43	Synthead	I have a "dasmikro I.C.S. USB adapter" for a kyosho mini-z, and it appears to be an ordinary FTDI device
2024-03-23 21:41:45	Synthead	Bus 001 Device 008: ID 165c:0006 Kondo Kagaku FT232 [ICS adapter HS]
2024-03-23 21:41:52	Scimmia	rolling back a database daemon without the database itself will be a problem, for instance
2024-03-23 21:42:15	Synthead	under windows, the "ko driver" here makes the software work fine: https://www.kopropo.co.jp/supports/view/325
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2024-03-23 21:42:24	Scimmia	it's more than just pacman managed files
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2024-03-23 21:42:33	Synthead	but in linux, there is no /dev/ttyACM0 or /dev/ttyUSB0 that I expect from it
2024-03-23 21:42:41	Synthead	I'm not sure if I need a module or something
2024-03-23 21:42:52	Synthead	how can I get this adapter to work?
2024-03-23 21:43:16	Namarrgon	Synthead: uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2024-03-23 21:43:18	Aryan	So i'm gonna merge /var to / subvolume
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2024-03-23 21:44:12	Synthead	Namarrgon: 6.8.1-arch1-1
2024-03-23 21:44:12	Synthead	linux 6.8.1.arch1-1
2024-03-23 21:44:16	Aryan	merge is not a good vocab for this, sorry.
2024-03-23 21:44:23	Synthead	I haven't done an update without rebooting
2024-03-23 21:44:33	Synthead	here's more information about the device https://gist.github.com/synthead/f4e7a0b2ff32db08f012486be3362f27
2024-03-23 21:44:40	Namarrgon	Synthead: what's in the kernel log after you replug the device?
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2024-03-23 21:45:09	Warepire	Synthead: Only an earlier version with PID 0x0002 is supported.
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2024-03-23 21:45:31	Synthead	Namarrgon: https://gist.github.com/synthead/a6f909bea2c4213832d5fe7d6f383577
2024-03-23 21:45:48	Synthead	Warepire: oh really? no linux support for this?
2024-03-23 21:46:19	Warepire	Not yet, you have a device. If you're comfortable compiling kernel modules you could probably work with upstream in getting support added.
2024-03-23 21:46:29	Synthead	is there a way I can tell linux to just use a generic FT232 driver for this?
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2024-03-23 21:48:02	Warepire	Try echoing your vid and pid to the bind file of the ftdi_sio driver (after modprobing it)
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2024-03-23 21:49:10	Warepire	I don't quite remember the format, but it should be documented
2024-03-23 21:49:45	Synthead	Warepire: where is the bind file located? I've never done this before :)
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2024-03-23 21:50:07	Synthead	there's some interesting stuff in /sys/module/ftdi_sio
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2024-03-23 21:51:47	Warepire	Synthead: Try looking in /sys/bus/usb or /sys/bus/usb-serial
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2024-03-23 21:52:29	Warepire	You can do "find <path> -name "bind" to list all bind files for that directory structure
2024-03-23 21:53:01	Synthead	Warepire: https://gist.github.com/synthead/64c56e7d838ea5bb664374c0861b14be
2024-03-23 21:53:10	Synthead	this is in /sys/bus/usb-serial
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2024-03-23 21:53:31	Warepire	Ah, for usb-serial it's "new_id" and not bind.
2024-03-23 21:53:48	Warepire	Try echo the VID and PID (space separated) into that file and see if stuff work
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2024-03-23 21:53:53	Synthead	ah! there is also /sys/bus/usb/drivers/ftdi_sio/bind
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2024-03-23 21:54:30	robzter	Hey i have some graphics driver issues. 4k is super jittery. nvidia drivers. 1080ti
2024-03-23 21:54:40	Warepire	Synthead: Hm, give both files a try
2024-03-23 21:54:50	Warepire	(new_id and bind)
2024-03-23 21:55:24	Synthead	[ 1016.188971] ftdi_sio 1-6:1.0: FTDI USB Serial Device converter detected
2024-03-23 21:55:24	Synthead	[ 1016.189069] usb 1-6: Detected FT232R
2024-03-23 21:55:24	Synthead	[ 1016.190843] usb 1-6: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB0
2024-03-23 21:55:29	Synthead	woo!
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2024-03-23 21:56:25	Warepire	If the device works, please write a report to linux-usb@vger.kernel.org including the VID+PID and the driver and someone can add permanent support
2024-03-23 21:56:40	Synthead	sounds great!
2024-03-23 21:57:00	Warepire	In the meantime you can write a udev rule to modprobe + force-bind your device.
2024-03-23 21:57:50	Synthead	unfortunately, the way I would use this is with a funky windows-only application that I'd run through wine, and it seems to have shaky support https://i.imgur.com/bePLg6t.png
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2024-03-23 21:58:34	Synthead	I could probably sniff some packets from a logic analyzer just to see if I can emit data from it correctly
2024-03-23 21:58:54	Synthead	if the uart data lines up, imo I think that means it probably works 100%
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2024-03-23 21:59:28	Warepire	That's an area outside of my expertise, but someone else migth be able to advice.
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2024-03-23 21:59:53	kevr	##electronics can probably clarify that kind of thought
2024-03-23 21:59:57	Synthead	Warepire: I really appreciate the help!  I'll pick at this and will certainly file an issue with linux and/or winehq as I go
2024-03-23 22:00:15	Warepire	No problem, good luck with the rest!
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2024-03-23 22:25:38	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1437 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1436 regular)
2024-03-23 22:20:45	bluetail	I've noticed that some games reset the display they were started on at exit
2024-03-23 22:20:51	bluetail	it's pretty weird and its totally new
2024-03-23 22:23:32	bluetail	I looked into dmesg but didnt find anything
2024-03-23 22:25:38	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-03-23 22:52:05	Manouchehri	SysGhost: ls -ltrha /dev/ # the last thing in the list is probably your tty 
2024-03-23 22:52:15	Manouchehri	sorry, tabbed the wrong person
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2024-03-23 22:52:23	Manouchehri	didn't realize Synthead had already left, my bad.
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2024-03-23 23:06:03	sibyla	arch kernel doesnt come with simpledrm enabled right?
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2024-03-23 23:07:18	Scimmia	it does
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2024-03-23 23:36:41	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-03-24 10:55:27	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1414 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1413 regular)
2024-03-24 02:21:22	Namarrgon	"blkid" will return an overview of everything currently known, it shouldn't be too hard to pick the right one
2024-03-24 02:22:07	Moire9	thanks
2024-03-24 02:59:08	RandomUsr	Psi-Jack: I don't unuderstand how though, it's not been some secret thing, it's just hasn't been talked about much in public afiak
2024-03-24 02:59:37	Psi-Jack	RandomUsr: Most users don't create themes. Thus wouldn't know what they're capable of.
2024-03-24 02:59:50	Psi-Jack	Is there a nvidia "top" like tool?
2024-03-24 03:00:05	RandomUsr	nvtop?
2024-03-24 03:00:27	Psi-Jack	Heh, maybe. 
2024-03-24 03:00:58	kevr	why not add a little note to the kde page, the more details, the better imo
2024-03-24 03:01:03	kevr	(wiki)
2024-03-24 03:02:01	SurfBlueCrab	Is there a way to use Zoom without installing a proprietary application?  I have tried using zoom in a browser but it seems like to admin of a channel need to set some settings to enable using zoom in a browser.  I do not feel comfortable installing commercial apps on my system.
2024-03-24 03:02:30	Psi-Jack	Huh. nvtop shows me almost uselessly on Plex Media Player, so far.
2024-03-24 03:02:30	RandomUsr	fair. I'll link to the bleeping computer link. Anyone aware of other articles or technical notice that should be there
2024-03-24 03:02:57	kevr	https://discuss.kde.org/t/warning-global-themes-and-widgets-created-by-3rd-party-developers-for-plasma-can-and-will-run-arbitrary-code-you-are-encouraged-to-exercise-extreme-caution-when-using-these-products/12714/13
2024-03-24 03:03:00	phrik	Title: WARNING: Global themes and widgets created by 3rd party developers for Plasma can and will run arbitrary code. You are encouraged to exercise extreme caution when using these products - #13 by johnandmegh - Announcement - KDE Discuss (at discuss.kde.org)
2024-03-24 03:03:28	RandomUsr	kevr: thanks
2024-03-24 03:04:52	RandomUsr	Almost feel like there should be a separate page to discuss supply chain issues for various packages provided by the main Arch repos
2024-03-24 03:07:08	kevr	that would require a lot of work from arch contributors, at least a lot more than currently, imagine tracking every single type of dangerous bug from every single upstream in the official repos
2024-03-24 03:07:21	kevr	i think the idea is that people are expected to look into things before doing them
2024-03-24 03:08:41	kevr	however, that's what we have things like the wiki for
2024-03-24 03:09:00	kevr	so we as standard users can give info on these things we deem important for users, or helpful
2024-03-24 03:09:17	RandomUsr	kevr: agreed on the effort. I was thinking even just a discussion page with something to educate users about vetting packages/upstream/supply chain.. Or maybe just a New topic for the forums would be good
2024-03-24 03:09:19	kevr	so ++ to your idea of some note on the wiki about it; definitely
2024-03-24 03:09:35	kevr	ah, why not
2024-03-24 03:56:47	greyltc	`lto` being turned on in the OPTIONS array in /etc/makepkg.conf seems to make linking need huge amounts of ram in some cases
2024-03-24 03:57:35	rcf	This is to be expected 
2024-03-24 04:02:06	greyltc	i hadn't thought through the .pacnew changes very carefully and got bit by the oom killer
2024-03-24 04:13:48	cloudowind	expect the expected 
2024-03-24 04:16:31	greyltc	yeah, my bad. my stupid package needs 32+GB of ram to link with `lto` on :-/
2024-03-24 04:17:20	thingfish	hey folks, what sorts of things should I look for beyond VSync settings if I'm getting a lot of tearing in Witcher 3?
2024-03-24 04:17:25	cloudowind	i was just making no sense , i should have said , expecting the expected" its not your bad
2024-03-24 04:17:56	thingfish	this started happening maybe 2 weeks ago.  Up to then, gameplay had been smooth as silk.
2024-03-24 04:18:31	thingfish	nvidia card in my machine, btw
2024-03-24 04:21:26	farkenvoid	any time you change vodeo drivers for nividia you need to plan on reverting
2024-03-24 04:22:30	thingfish	you know honestly I don't remember there being a change in the drivers when this started.  Although my memory isn't what it used to be.
2024-03-24 04:22:45	thingfish	and with the new drivers out yesterday, no change.
2024-03-24 04:22:53	farkenvoid	coul db evulkan or mesa
2024-03-24 04:23:00	thingfish	hmm okay
2024-03-24 04:23:33	farkenvoid	I have been really enjoying the radeon
2024-03-24 04:23:41	thingfish	yeah...I believe it.
2024-03-24 04:23:44	farkenvoid	I stared with a 1070 though
2024-03-24 04:23:52	thingfish	Nvidia cards are nice but they come with a cost.
2024-03-24 04:24:01	thingfish	in the Linux world, at least.
2024-03-24 04:24:14	farkenvoid	if you're a dual booter then...
2024-03-24 04:24:18	thingfish	nope
2024-03-24 04:24:56	thingfish	just Arch.  I did experiment real quick with Fedora 39, gameplay was wonderfully smooth.
2024-03-24 04:25:03	thingfish	but back to Arch now.
2024-03-24 04:25:04	farkenvoid	it takes a bit more attention to run the nvidia
2024-03-24 04:25:35	farkenvoid	with ARCH
2024-03-24 04:25:51	espresso	an old thread on tearing w/nvidia with a few different ideas, some maybe still relevant? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=226980
2024-03-24 04:25:53	phrik	Title: [Solved] Screen Tearing (again) with Nvidia Drivers / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-03-24 04:25:57	thingfish	I feel fairly confident it'll get sorted out eventually.
2024-03-24 04:26:11	farkenvoid	no doubt about it
2024-03-24 04:26:23	farkenvoid	it just takes more effort
2024-03-24 04:26:34	farkenvoid	which isn't all bad
2024-03-24 04:27:10	thingfish	I don't mind effort.  I can certainly read and follow instructions.
2024-03-24 04:27:45	farkenvoid	that's where arch really rules
2024-03-24 04:27:55	espresso	xwayland sync fix no longer required, it seems. nice
2024-03-24 04:28:12	thingfish	thanks espresso, that gives me a little bit to look through.  I notice many folks in that thread experience tearing even on the normal desktop; that is something I'm not experiencing.
2024-03-24 04:28:29	thingfish	the only anomaly is in 3D gameplay.
2024-03-24 04:29:09	thingfish	mercifully, I have gotten a little bored with Witcher 3 now, so it's not a pressing matter -- but I can't help but be curious.
2024-03-24 04:30:11	thingfish	thanks for the input farkenvoid
2024-03-24 04:30:28	espresso	thingfish: alas, yeah. have had a bad driver last year that broke Vulkan for a few weeks, but that was the worst here
2024-03-24 04:30:34	farkenvoid	good luck, you'll get it
2024-03-24 04:30:40	thingfish	yes
2024-03-24 04:32:59	markboston	how can i setup a ip address without dhcpcd installed since network manager won’t run
2024-03-24 04:34:03	espresso	markboston: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration might help.. there are other managers like systemd-networkd ..
2024-03-24 04:34:05	phrik	Title: Network configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-24 04:34:44	markboston	my system is currently in a broken state because of a messed up package
2024-03-24 04:35:07	markboston	so i can’t connect to the internet to install anything
2024-03-24 04:35:17	thingfish	yikes
2024-03-24 04:35:40	markboston	i guess i could chroot via the install disk
2024-03-24 04:36:14	markboston	and never not have a backup way to connect to the net if something breaks again
2024-03-24 04:36:47	espresso	seems a good plan :)
2024-03-24 04:36:48	thingfish	markboston: have you looked at this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration ?  It's got a section for manually setting it up.
2024-03-24 04:36:50	phrik	Title: Network configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-24 04:37:37	markboston	does anyone happen to know if ubuntu has the arch chroot script? i know gentoo does
2024-03-24 04:37:52	markboston	i’ve done that
2024-03-24 04:37:56	⚡ 	thingfish sure doesn't know
2024-03-24 04:38:03	mefistofeles	markboston: I don't think so, intersting that gentoo does
2024-03-24 04:38:17	markboston	i think im messing something up because it wasn’t working for me
2024-03-24 04:38:31	markboston	i probably have to manually set the routing and stuff
2024-03-24 04:39:21	markboston	i should really keep the arch installer handy i happen to have ubuntu on this because i needed a gui installer
2024-03-24 04:39:33	markboston	i use it for troubpeshpttong
2024-03-24 04:39:50	markboston	troubleshooting*
2024-03-24 04:40:25	kevr	markboston: the arch-chroot script is just a set of bind commands and chrooting in iirc, you should be able to replicate it on ubuntu cmdline
2024-03-24 04:40:58	kevr	mount commands*
2024-03-24 04:42:31	markboston	kevr i know
2024-03-24 04:43:08	markboston	the script is easier
2024-03-24 06:34:17	copygirl	I bought a headset (Audeze Maxwell) that shows up as two separate audio output devices. One of the hardware volume wheels on the headset controls the volume, while the other controls the mix. 
2024-03-24 06:34:40	copygirl	From testing, it looks like the mix is done on the headset's end.
2024-03-24 06:36:05	Psi-Jack	Oh good, GNOME 46 dropped in the weekend. hehe
2024-03-24 06:36:07	copygirl	But it looks like the volume wheel, which causes the volume in the volume mixer to change, is supposed to affect both output devices, while it only changes a single one.
2024-03-24 06:36:25	thingfish	Psi-Jack: yes, like moments ago.
2024-03-24 06:36:29	thingfish	it's nice.
2024-03-24 06:36:55	Psi-Jack	I don't really use it anymore, with the release of KDE Plasma 6 I'm actually quite enjoying my freedom. :)
2024-03-24 06:37:03	thingfish	hiss
2024-03-24 06:37:07	thingfish	:P
2024-03-24 06:37:33	thingfish	(actually KDE Plasma has a lot going for it.)
2024-03-24 06:37:35	Psi-Jack	I like GNOME, just not where they're going and how they're pushing it so.,
2024-03-24 06:37:40	thingfish	yeah
2024-03-24 06:39:56	copygirl	I remember having edited a pulseaudio config for another headset before. Is having the volume wheel control both outputs possible? Where should I read up on things?
2024-03-24 06:40:04	Psi-Jack	And GNOME 46 only really brings VRR to the table, and only if you're in Wayland.
2024-03-24 06:40:47	Psi-Jack	copygirl: Well, today's world mostly uses pipewire, which provides a compatible PulseAudio interface for software to use.
2024-03-24 06:41:04	Ken123	I shredded a partition instead of just deleting it, time to wait now and read irc chat lol oops 
2024-03-24 06:41:08	Psi-Jack	But, specifically for that. I'm not sure.
2024-03-24 06:41:29	Psi-Jack	Ken123: Eh?
2024-03-24 06:42:05	rcf	Ken123: be warned, shred is less useful if you're truly paranoid these days 
2024-03-24 06:43:53	Ken123	yeah I did it by mistake, it going to take forever now, habit I guess, I need a cup of coffee anyway lol  
2024-03-24 06:44:21	rcf	There's nothing a quick ^C won't fix 
2024-03-24 06:45:40	Psi-Jack	Yep. Ctrl+C is a quick fix for a stupid error.
2024-03-24 06:45:59	copygirl	Hmm. Notably, I only get the two audio output devices to show up if I select "Pro Audio". And reading up on it, I don't think it's supposed to be like that. 
2024-03-24 06:46:42	Psi-Jack	Yeah, don't use Pro Audio.
2024-03-24 06:46:53	Psi-Jack	It's literally intended for professional audio equipment.
2024-03-24 06:46:59	copygirl	I already had an issue where Mumble (voice chat program) did not output anything through the PulseAudio interface. I had to switch to it using PipeWire (which currently doesn't allow selecting devices).
2024-03-24 06:46:59	Psi-Jack	A headset is not.
2024-03-24 06:47:26	copygirl	Yeah so I'll have to put together a config that actually exposes the devices properly (and at all, in the first place)
2024-03-24 06:47:39	Psi-Jack	Or possibly get a less lame headset?
2024-03-24 06:48:23	copygirl	Possibly, but there's few out there that do wireless with the chat mix functionality that I've gotten so used to.
2024-03-24 06:49:15	copygirl	The Steelseries Arctis 7 was my previous headset, on which the battery died. I tried the Arctis 9 but was disappointed, even though it was more expensive.
2024-03-24 06:49:37	Psi-Jack	I have the Steelseries Arctis Nova Pro
2024-03-24 06:49:44	Psi-Jack	Very good headset, Works just right off.
2024-03-24 06:49:55	copygirl	My audiophile friend recommended getting and audiophile headset and I was just barely able to afford the one I got (Audeze Maxwell).
2024-03-24 06:49:56	Psi-Jack	And replacable batteries, too.
2024-03-24 06:51:51	copygirl	How's the build quality?
2024-03-24 06:52:52	Ken123	audiophile headset pretty expensive but looks nice
2024-03-24 06:52:54	Psi-Jack	Fantastic, really. Good design, not too heavy in the wrong places, comfortable, durable. The only thing I'm not a huge fan of is the dock that's part of the Arctis Nova Pro, is also the actual receiver.
2024-03-24 06:53:33	copygirl	Yeah it seems a bit of a bother to take that with me.
2024-03-24 06:54:02	copygirl	The simultaneous wireless sounds neat since it sounds like one could, say, play game on a Steam Deck with bluetooth while chatting on PC.
2024-03-24 06:54:18	copygirl	Ken123: The Steelseries one?
2024-03-24 06:54:20	Psi-Jack	The Arctis Nova Pro wireless ain't cheap for sure.
2024-03-24 06:54:32	copygirl	Well, it's the same price as the one I got in the end.
2024-03-24 06:54:39	Psi-Jack	copygirl: Yes! It mixes audio.
2024-03-24 06:55:02	copygirl	I looked at how long the battery lasts and comparatively, it's pretty bad, even if you can switch it out.
2024-03-24 06:55:11	Murray_B	Hi! I have a little problem, I guess since the last kernel update: My speakers are mutet after booting, I always have to unmute them! "alsactl store" does not help.
2024-03-24 06:55:26	Psi-Jack	Except for wired, I think wired is dedicated, while it can use and mix Dock+Bluetooth together, while talking and switching between the two.
2024-03-24 06:55:51	Psi-Jack	copygirl: I mean if you need a battery to last more than 12 hours at a time, you're doing it wrong.
2024-03-24 06:56:15	Murray_B	I am using xfce with alsa and pipewire and a nvidia card - I found some problems with pulseaudio and update of nvidia driver. Despite of that, google is not my friend today :-(
2024-03-24 06:56:37	Psi-Jack	Murray_B: I mean, its Linux. Everyone's using ALSA for audio, that's just normal.
2024-03-24 06:57:02	Psi-Jack	Murray_B: So, can you explain what actual problem you fucked up today is?
2024-03-24 06:57:23	copygirl	Well so far it looks like it's just missing a proper config for this headset, so I'll see if I can brew up something (after learning how to do it).
2024-03-24 06:57:58	Murray_B	Psi-Jack: The problem is that my speaker is always mutet after boot.
2024-03-24 06:59:14	Murray_B	But you are right, nowadays everybody uses alsa - it was different "some" years ago ;-)
2024-03-24 06:59:49	Ken123	Oh ok I was looking at them and seen $500 to $4000 USD , the Steelseries is much better priced $99 to 300 USD lol
2024-03-24 06:59:59	Psi-Jack	Murray_B: Have you changed the profile to something like Digital IEC or Pro Audio or something?
2024-03-24 07:00:38	Psi-Jack	Ken123: Heh, My SteelSeries Arctis Nova Pro Wireless costed something like C$420. 
2024-03-24 07:00:39	Murray_B	Nothing, just updated the packages. Standard "Analog Stereo"
2024-03-24 07:01:26	espresso	Murray_B: sudo systemctl status alsa-restore.service; and if disabled, sudo systemctl enable --now alsa-restore.service ?
2024-03-24 07:01:55	Psi-Jack	Sorry C$430 when I bought it. It's on sale now for C$420. LOL
2024-03-24 07:01:57	Ken123	Cool, that's gotta sound really amazing...  
2024-03-24 07:02:18	copygirl	Psi-Jack: Oh one small question if you don't mind, and if you happen to know: You said the device would have to be configured using PipeWire nowadays?
2024-03-24 07:02:35	Psi-Jack	Ken123: It does, actually, and with the noise cancelling enabled, it's like I'm fully involved.
2024-03-24 07:02:53	espresso	Murray_B: woops, it can't be enabled/disabled
2024-03-24 07:02:58	Murray_B	espresso: It's already  activated
2024-03-24 07:03:14	Psi-Jack	copygirl: Pipewire is what's replaced the old PulseAudio stuff, and vastly imrpoved live beyond just audio.
2024-03-24 07:04:06	Murray_B	Hm, maybe I can deactivate pipewire to see if the problem is in alsa or pipewire
2024-03-24 07:05:17	copygirl	Psi-Jack: Oh and a question about the headset. Can you adjust the chat mix on the headset itself or only on the box that comes with it?
2024-03-24 07:05:53	Psi-Jack	copygirl: Well, what is "the chat mix" you speak of?
2024-03-24 07:06:11	copygirl	It has two audio outputs that you can mix between, right?
2024-03-24 07:07:05	Psi-Jack	It's got a multi-function volume roller that doesn't have an ending, also acts as a button.
2024-03-24 07:08:14	Psi-Jack	The button of the volume control can toggle between Master, and Game/Chat balance.
2024-03-24 07:08:47	copygirl	Ah alright. Thank you.
2024-03-24 07:09:28	Murray_B	Ah, there was also an update of wireplumber… Maybe a downgrade helps. Gonna try that.
2024-03-24 07:13:14	Psi-Jack	Murray_B: I upgraded just earlier, and rebooted, no issue.
2024-03-24 07:19:22	Murray_B	Hm, how can I disable pipewire without deinstalling it?
2024-03-24 07:20:55	Psi-Jack	I doubt it to be a pipewire issue. 
2024-03-24 07:21:33	Psi-Jack	Which part is muted specifically? Does alsamixer show them muted, or does pavucontrol show them muted?
2024-03-24 07:21:59	Murray_B	Psi-Jack: Alsomixer shows the front mutet
2024-03-24 07:22:10	Psi-Jack	muted, with a d.
2024-03-24 07:22:33	Psi-Jack	The "front?"
2024-03-24 07:23:42	Murray_B	What do you mean with "a d."? Yes, the "Front"-output of my card is muted
2024-03-24 07:25:00	Psi-Jack	Murray_B: muted is spelled with a d at the end, not a t. 
2024-03-24 07:25:28	Murray_B	Ah! :-) Yes, sorry, typo…
2024-03-24 07:25:28	Psi-Jack	Murray_B: So... This is a 5.1? 7.1?
2024-03-24 07:25:51	Murray_B	It's a simple stereo configuration.
2024-03-24 07:26:09	Psi-Jack	I see. Front usually suggests surround sound.
2024-03-24 07:27:20	Psi-Jack	Anyway, disabling pipewire to "test" is actually going to be quite a bit harder than you think. 
2024-03-24 07:27:58	Psi-Jack	I'd sooner recommend you try to roll back the kernel version, specifically, since you should still have it in pacman caches, and try that as a first route.
2024-03-24 07:34:57	Murray_B	Psi-Jack: Oka, I guess I try around with that a bit, thank you
2024-03-24 08:10:18	Murray_B	Psi-Jack: Okay, I found something… pavucontrol told me that I am connected with headset/speakers (which is right and the old config) and with line - switching to line gives me sound and stays after reboot - I guess some mysterious changes in the audio driver…
2024-03-24 08:11:10	Murray_B	I guess I should check my microphone too…
2024-03-24 09:06:17	chiselfuse	i want to create a wrapper shellscript for an executable with the same name as the executable. how do i do that?
2024-03-24 09:06:36	chiselfuse	the script is going to be in my PATH
2024-03-24 09:06:57	chiselfuse	but is it going to override the original or how does it work
2024-03-24 09:07:38	edu4rdshl	chiselfuse, why not just an alias?
2024-03-24 09:07:44	edu4rdshl	What's the point of that?
2024-03-24 09:07:52	edu4rdshl	Sounds like and XY problem
2024-03-24 09:08:05	chiselfuse	edu4rdshl: because i call it from things other than just my shell
2024-03-24 09:08:08	edu4rdshl	a*
2024-03-24 09:08:19	edu4rdshl	chiselfuse, so? Why use the same name?
2024-03-24 09:08:51	chiselfuse	edu4rdshl: because the wrapper is so trivial that it wouldn't make sense to call it something else
2024-03-24 09:11:24	tirnanog	if is found in PATH sooner than the thing it wraps, it will 'win'.
2024-03-24 09:11:52	tirnanog	unless the executor hardcodes the path to begin with, of course.
2024-03-24 09:12:08	chiselfuse	tirnanog: yea but how do i execute the original within the wrapper? do i have to specify absolute path?
2024-03-24 09:12:35	edu4rdshl	Using the full path
2024-03-24 09:13:00	tirnanog	https://mywiki.wooledge.org/WrapperScript
2024-03-24 09:13:02	phrik	Title: WrapperScript - Greg's Wiki (at mywiki.wooledge.org)
2024-03-24 09:13:16	tirnanog	yes.
2024-03-24 09:15:29	chiselfuse	how do i remind myself to visit that link every time i need to make a wrapper
2024-03-24 09:16:41	chiselfuse	i could add it as a comment in an existing wrapper i have
2024-03-24 09:16:58	chiselfuse	in hopes i use my old wrapper as reference to how to write new ones
2024-03-24 09:17:30	tirnanog	well, what's to remember. it's a script that runs another script. strictly speaking, you don't need "exec" (bash and dash already optimise in that way automatically). "$@" also suffices for conveying the positional parameters verbatim. ${1+"$@"} is a hack that's only needed for really old shells ... the kind of thing a vendor might concern itself with, as opposed to an arch user.
2024-03-24 09:17:40	tirnanog	or rather, a script that runs another executable.
2024-03-24 09:19:08	tirnanog	still, yes; comments are a typical way to remind oneself of things that might not be clear some time hence.
2024-03-24 09:21:48	Moire9	how do I get X to tell me why it is instantly shutting down
2024-03-24 09:21:57	Moire9	I'm looking through the log files and I can't find a clear reason for it
2024-03-24 09:22:21	gehidore	Perhaps it's closing successfully because you've given it nothing to do?
2024-03-24 09:22:39	sheep	how are you starting x?
2024-03-24 09:22:55	Moire9	that was my first assumption, but i'm using the same set of scripts i use on my existing system
2024-03-24 09:23:07	Moire9	i use `startx` and then start dwm via a script launched by .xinitrc
2024-03-24 09:25:02	edu4rdshl	What's the .xinitrc content?
2024-03-24 09:25:44	edu4rdshl	And... why aren't you starting dwm directly from there?
2024-03-24 09:26:22	Moire9	Actually, I think I might not have all the dependencies for dwm installed properly. Whoops!
2024-03-24 09:26:58	chiselfuse	tirnanog: how do i make sure my wrapper script "wins"? should i change this like `PATH="$PATH:$HOME/.local/bin"` in my .zprofile to prepend instead of appending? (that's the only path i use for my custom bins
2024-03-24 09:28:59	novns	so, GNOME was updated again
2024-03-24 09:29:11	novns	everything is broken
2024-03-24 09:29:21	novns	a disaster
2024-03-24 09:29:28	edu4rdshl	no, it isn't
2024-03-24 09:29:29	tirnanog	chiselfuse: yes. or use /usr/local/bin, perhaps.
2024-03-24 09:29:39	novns	cannot even start a browser, any browser
2024-03-24 09:29:57	novns	keyboard is lagging
2024-03-24 09:29:59	edu4rdshl	Let me guess, a ton of extensions?
2024-03-24 09:30:02	edu4rdshl	Custom themes?
2024-03-24 09:30:07	novns	about 2 seconds in gnome-termnal
2024-03-24 09:30:29	novns	edu4rdshl, no, just have created a new user with no previous settings of anything
2024-03-24 09:30:36	tirnanog	chiselfuse: since you generally have /usr/local/bin in PATH already (other than in systemd units).
2024-03-24 09:31:16	edu4rdshl	novns, Xorg or Wayland?
2024-03-24 09:31:22	novns	edu4rdshl, Xorg
2024-03-24 09:33:06	novns	I really have no time to solve these rolling update problems anymore
2024-03-24 09:34:05	novns	goodbye Arch, I think.  will use something LTS
2024-03-24 09:34:24	edu4rdshl	k
2024-03-24 09:34:50	chiselfuse	never had any such problem with arch
2024-03-24 09:34:56	edu4rdshl	Same
2024-03-24 09:35:06	novns	now I'm stuck, it's not something is not working, it's everything
2024-03-24 09:35:18	edu4rdshl	Check the logs
2024-03-24 09:35:22	kevr	it might be glib
2024-03-24 09:35:26	kevr	run -Syu again
2024-03-24 09:35:30	novns	edu4rdshl, no errors in logs, by surprice
2024-03-24 09:35:34	novns	edu4rdshl, no errors in logs, by surprise
2024-03-24 09:35:43	edu4rdshl	Check htop
2024-03-24 09:35:56	novns	firefox is starting, I can see it running in processes
2024-03-24 09:36:07	novns	just no window is displayed
2024-03-24 09:36:32	chiselfuse	start it attached to a terminal
2024-03-24 09:36:38	chiselfuse	see if tells you anything in stdio
2024-03-24 09:37:00	novns	chiselfuse, gnome-terminal isn't working
2024-03-24 09:37:08	chiselfuse	use xterm
2024-03-24 09:37:37	chiselfuse	hm, does sound like something with the DE to me yea
2024-03-24 09:38:55	chiselfuse	novns: switch to a different tty (ctrl+alt+f2) and start firefox attached to the X server by itself without any DE or WM at all
2024-03-24 09:39:15	chiselfuse	don't exactly remember how to do that, someone else here might know right away
2024-03-24 09:39:21	chiselfuse	maybe `startx firefox`
2024-03-24 09:39:34	chiselfuse	though i'd kill the one on the other session first
2024-03-24 10:01:11	badsektor	hey guys my archlinux connects to 151.101.193.91:443 on startup is that normal?
2024-03-24 10:01:49	novns	chiselfuse, everything works in a pure X twm session
2024-03-24 10:02:03	novns	it's just gnome is broken
2024-03-24 10:08:30	badsektor	guys if you install hyprland shouldnt it appear in sddm list?
2024-03-24 10:19:24	chiselfuse	novns: i don't use gnome but had hopes it'd be doing okay
2024-03-24 10:19:41	chiselfuse	though others here say it's not broken for them
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2024-03-24 10:59:03	teraflops	the only issue I have with gnome 46 is that gnome extensions (freon, blur my shell) are not working as expected
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2024-03-24 11:00:31	teraflops	I'd say if you like to tweak/personalize your DE gnome is not a great choice, I'd say this is a feature but this is my opinion 
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2024-03-24 11:03:58	thingfish	the only issue I have experienced with GNOME 46 is that the very first time I opened Files the computer froze hard, had to reset.  But it booted fine after that, and since then I've had no hint of any issue.
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2024-03-24 11:05:07	teraflops	honestly I do not see any difference with previous version of gnome at first sight
2024-03-24 11:05:53	⚡ 	teraflops reads https://release.gnome.org/46/
2024-03-24 11:05:53	thingfish	the differences aren't huge, to be sure.
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2024-03-24 11:16:32	kode54	I hear there is some sort of issue with zswap, but neither Google nor the irc channel that mentioned it are being helpful in the details department
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2024-03-24 11:49:23	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-03-24 11:47:44	MacGyver	kode54: And neither are you.
2024-03-24 11:47:54	MacGyver	kode54: Some recent issue?
2024-03-24 11:48:52	MacGyver	kode54: I haven't upgraded in a few weeks but I haven't noticed an issue with my zswap.
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2024-03-24 12:12:17	teraflops	it looks like gnome vrr is not compatible with fractional scalling
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2024-03-24 12:13:18	badsektor	i cant get sway or hyprland to show in SDDM's session list
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2024-03-24 12:20:50	badsektor	where the tiling wm gang?
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2024-03-24 12:22:26	Namarrgon	nvidia?
2024-03-24 12:23:09	Namarrgon	what is in the sddm.service logs?
2024-03-24 12:23:12	Tom^	isnt sddm only checking for .desktop in /usr/share/wayland-sessions/
2024-03-24 12:23:23	Tom^	so is sway or hyprland there?
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2024-03-24 12:26:28	Namarrgon	hyprland usr/share/wayland-sessions/hyprland.desktop
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2024-03-24 12:29:42	badsektor	Namarrgon: yes nvidia and let me check sddm.service logs :)
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2024-03-24 12:34:04	badsektor	Namarrgon: my mistake, iam using gdm not sddm, and the log doesnt tellme anything at all, just something about login keyring
2024-03-24 12:34:37	Namarrgon	unless it has changed, you need to configure gdm to allow wayland on nvidia
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2024-03-24 12:35:48	teraflops	you still have to # ln -s /dev/null /etc/udev/rules.d/61-gdm.rules
2024-03-24 12:35:50	wyre	hi guys, not sure why my floating windows in gnome are losing texts https://i.imgur.com/hrGv0wu.png
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2024-03-24 12:36:08	wyre	when I toggle maximize window it returns
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2024-03-24 12:36:24	wyre	but thumbnails in nautilus aren't working either :-(
2024-03-24 12:36:27	badsektor	thanks guys
2024-03-24 12:36:45	bernhard	I've got a 120hz display on my laptop and just enabled the new VRR setting in gnome 46, but I can only set VRR to variable (up to 60hz)
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2024-03-24 12:37:01	enoq	what am I doing wrong
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2024-03-24 12:37:29	teraflops	enoq: when vrr is not enabled you can set rr to 120?
2024-03-24 12:37:39	enoq	teraflops: no?
2024-03-24 12:37:44	badsektor	Namarrgon: and teraflops: i had blacklisted simpledrm in kernel paramters before, because it caused me some problems, do you think thats the same DRM that GDM needs?
2024-03-24 12:37:48	wyre	this happened after today update
2024-03-24 12:37:48	enoq	it's always been capped at 60hz
2024-03-24 12:37:57	teraflops	sorry man I'm asking
2024-03-24 12:38:16	enoq	teraflops: sorry on my side, typed the ? by accident
2024-03-24 12:38:26	teraflops	then there is the issue
2024-03-24 12:38:36	wyre	o/ teraflops 
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2024-03-24 12:38:45	teraflops	it's not detecting right refresh rate
2024-03-24 12:38:55	teraflops	here it works as expected
2024-03-24 12:39:04	teraflops	hi wyre 
2024-03-24 12:39:08	enoq	where do I need to look 
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2024-03-24 12:39:59	teraflops	enoq: xorg or wayland?
2024-03-24 12:40:03	enoq	wayland
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2024-03-24 12:42:11	teraflops	enoq: you talking about laptop built-in display I suppose not a screen attached to it
2024-03-24 12:42:42	teraflops	which gpu is this?
2024-03-24 12:43:30	enoq	teraflops: hah, nvm, it's a 60hz display, I think I mixed up the specs
2024-03-24 12:43:35	enoq	thanks anyways
2024-03-24 12:43:40	teraflops	ah ok :)
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2024-03-24 12:44:40	teraflops	it looks like this https://paste.priet.us/screenshot_2024-03-24-12-44-12.png
2024-03-24 12:45:38	enoq	yep, was pretty confused since it's an amd igpu (780M) and should have rather good support
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2024-03-24 12:46:23	Tom^	teraflops: vairable hasta !
2024-03-24 12:46:41	Tom^	tasa de refresco, its like a pizza menu
2024-03-24 12:48:22	solsTiCe	wait. gnome 46.0 is out ... what happened? I thought packagers were waiting at least 46.1. that' a change
2024-03-24 12:49:47	gromit	solsTiCe: thats a reddit rule, not a real one 
2024-03-24 12:50:29	solsTiCe	ok. that was fast. 2 days or something this time ...
2024-03-24 12:51:45	gromit	solsTiCe: yeah one of our new packagers works on gnome-unstable a lot so having the betas already packaged makes the releases far easier
2024-03-24 12:52:12	wyre	solsTiCe, I'm having issues with new gnome update
2024-03-24 12:52:19	gromit	wyre: whats the issue? 
2024-03-24 12:52:21	wyre	I cannot se texts or icons in floating windows
2024-03-24 12:52:48	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-24 12:53:11	wyre	gromit, https://i.imgur.com/KTjOkL5.png
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2024-03-24 12:54:05	teraflops	Tom^: the feature I really need is gsync and it works when I use the discrete gpu on xorg to play games
2024-03-24 12:54:05	gromit	wyre: ohno, are you maybe using a theme that is not yet supporting the new version? I dont have much clue how gnome works but could imagine something like that
2024-03-24 12:54:31	Tom^	teraflops: i didnt know gsync worked in linux :o
2024-03-24 12:54:34	gromit	wyre: also try to start one of the problematic applications from the terminal and see if the output there has something useful
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2024-03-24 12:55:17	teraflops	wyre: switch to adwaita to see if the issue persists 
2024-03-24 12:55:42	teraflops	hmm that screenshot looks like adwaita
2024-03-24 12:56:13	wyre	teraflops, gromit, done, and it persists 😥
2024-03-24 12:56:13	teraflops	Tom^: at least with nvidia propietary drives
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2024-03-24 12:56:23	Tom^	teraflops: yeah
2024-03-24 12:56:27	teraflops	wyre: closed session?
2024-03-24 12:56:37	wyre	I've set adwaita (default) for all an closed session yes, but still the same 
2024-03-24 12:57:02	teraflops	tried with a clean user?
2024-03-24 12:58:32	wyre	hmm, let's see
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2024-03-24 13:03:46	teraflops	Tom^: https://paste.priet.us/y2zf/ allowgsyncblahblah
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2024-03-24 13:04:16	alwyn	I may be blind or something, but I can't find any references beyond one forum post asking for help on this: what are -debug packages from makepkg? They seem quite new? Do I need them? If not, how do I disable them?
2024-03-24 13:04:53	alwyn	ok one forum post is a slight understatement :p
2024-03-24 13:04:56	Tom^	alwyn: !debug in /etc/makepkg.conf makes stacktraces actually print useful info when your application dies
2024-03-24 13:05:16	Tom^	so enable if you got the hdd space, disable if they annoy you ;P
2024-03-24 13:06:30	alwyn	Found it :)
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2024-03-24 13:06:54	alwyn	I haven't yet needed to use them, so I think I'd like to keep them disabled until I do?
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2024-03-24 13:07:59	Tom^	up to you, your system
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2024-03-24 13:08:20	wyre	teraflops, yes, new users have the same problem 😢
2024-03-24 13:08:28	teraflops	ugh weird
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2024-03-24 13:09:06	wyre	but not sure how might I figure out what's causing it 
2024-03-24 13:09:15	teraflops	wyre: is the system slow?
2024-03-24 13:09:20	wyre	nope
2024-03-24 13:09:26	wyre	I feel it as always
2024-03-24 13:09:47	teraflops	which gpu?
2024-03-24 13:10:38	wyre	an old one, teraflops 
2024-03-24 13:10:42	wyre	GT740
2024-03-24 13:10:44	wyre	nvidia
2024-03-24 13:11:28	wyre	with legacy xx470 drivers
2024-03-24 13:11:34	wyre	470xx, I meant
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2024-03-24 13:12:35	teraflops	wyre: gnome on x11 or wayland?
2024-03-24 13:12:46	wyre	both behaves the same
2024-03-24 13:12:50	wyre	I've tested it with both
2024-03-24 13:13:24	badsektor	if i am not on wayland's gnome, how can i change scaling on the go without having to relogin?
2024-03-24 13:13:33	badsektor	because i can
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2024-03-24 13:13:50	wyre	teraflops, also no extensions enabled ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2024-03-24 13:14:06	teraflops	wyre: odd I have no idea to be honest
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2024-03-24 13:16:14	wyre	a lot of gnome and gtk packages have been updated today 🔮
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2024-03-24 13:16:29	wyre	😢
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2024-03-24 13:17:31	wyre	all those https://bpa.st/D5FQ
2024-03-24 13:17:32	phrik	Title: View paste D5FQ (at bpa.st)
2024-03-24 13:17:42	wyre	but no idea what could be causing this 😞
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2024-03-24 13:26:02	manuels	Why exactly do we have to rebuild aur packages if the dependencies update the soname? 
2024-03-24 13:26:41	Warepire	So the dynamic linker knows how to find the new version of the library
2024-03-24 13:26:56	gromit	manuels: A soname change signals binary incompatibility with the previous version, therefore you have to rebuild against the new version 
2024-03-24 13:27:15	Warepire	And that ^
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2024-03-24 13:28:41	manuels	But iirc we have to do this for minor updates as well (eg qt) which are binary compatible. 
2024-03-24 13:28:44	ℹ 	timerirq is now known as cloudowind
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2024-03-24 13:30:17	demonicmaniac1	manuels: there's no easy simple clean way to know if it's fully compatible or not so rebuilding is simply the safe sane way
2024-03-24 13:30:22	Scimmia	manuels: not true
2024-03-24 13:30:52	bluetail	I wish there was a simple and clean way for knowing what capture cards work on archlinux and which dont
2024-03-24 13:31:08	Scimmia	the only thing with qt is when you have something using the intermal API, which is specifically not stable
2024-03-24 13:31:08	bluetail	So after trying a dozen I found magewell work good enough
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2024-03-24 13:31:18	bluetail	but they need LTS 
2024-03-24 13:31:39	bluetail	Also had other brands like blackmagic but didnt work reliably..
2024-03-24 13:31:45	bluetail	or lots of usb ones
2024-03-24 13:31:50	bluetail	just kept not opening etc
2024-03-24 13:31:58	demonicmaniac1	bluetail: huh? anything just offering a simple v4l works just fine, i have like a 10$ usb hdmi capture working just fine ootb
2024-03-24 13:32:06	bluetail	no you are wrong
2024-03-24 13:32:13	bluetail	very wrong
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2024-03-24 13:32:50	bluetail	when you open a usb capture card that doesnt fully support uvcvideo and v4l2 you are ending up it most of the time not spawning and then leaving the uvcvideo with corrupt buffer
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2024-03-24 13:33:07	bluetail	needing to hard reboot / reload modules and unplugging/replugging all that crap
2024-03-24 13:33:14	bluetail	its the same with webcams
2024-03-24 13:33:20	demonicmaniac1	guess i was really lucky then
2024-03-24 13:33:24	bluetail	some work immediately (logitech c930e) for instance
2024-03-24 13:34:11	bluetail	demonicmaniac1 unless you have native support with drivers from the manufacturer, you are not having an ideal experience
2024-03-24 13:34:17	bluetail	in most of the cases
2024-03-24 13:34:31	manuels	 Why don't aur helpers like yaourt don't get that and force updates? 
2024-03-24 13:34:35	bluetail	if you go the webcam route and start using multiple webcams, similar stuff is going to happen
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2024-03-24 13:35:23	Scimmia	!give manuels toofishes
2024-03-24 13:35:23	phrik	manuels: patches welcome
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2024-03-24 13:36:05	bluetail	you are having say 4 webcams but they are randomly assigned to /dev/video, and you need to start fiddling around with assigning ports to /dev/video ... then you realize that some fail to initialize... then you start to learn that maybe you need a different solution with real cameras that have hdmi or sdi out...
2024-03-24 13:36:20	bluetail	short, it can get very complicated really quickly
2024-03-24 13:37:10	demonicmaniac1	fair i only have playstation2 -> hdmi adapter and cheapest usb hdmi capture only capturing 1080p60 at most and never had issues with that or builtin webcams into laptops - old intel or newer amd, i know newer intel webcams are fucky too
2024-03-24 13:37:22	bluetail	demonicmaniac1 'only'
2024-03-24 13:37:26	demonicmaniac1	i know 4k capture is really fucky
2024-03-24 13:37:29	bluetail	1080p60 is considered top of the line under linux
2024-03-24 13:37:42	bluetail	capture cards cost easily 1000 eur doing just that 
2024-03-24 13:37:55	bluetail	if you want 4k, you are at 2000 bucks
2024-03-24 13:38:24	bluetail	theres a gigantic price difference between what works on windows vs what works on linux
2024-03-24 13:38:47	bluetail	and whether you are needing it to be 24/7 capable
2024-03-24 13:39:08	bluetail	epiphan and magewell are the two companies to look at. Their stuff is expensive
2024-03-24 13:39:48	bluetail	I also tried avermedia live gamer 4k with a special module 'hack', so it can put out video on linux
2024-03-24 13:39:53	bluetail	but it was soo slow, that it was unusable
2024-03-24 13:39:58	bluetail	at least in prod
2024-03-24 13:40:26	bluetail	just to give you an idea... https://teltec.de/magewell-pro-capture-dual-hdmi-4k-plus-lt.html
2024-03-24 13:40:30	phrik	Title: Magewell Pro Capture Dual HDMI 4K Plus LT - Teltec | Video-, Audio- & Studio-Equipment zum Bestpreis (at teltec.de)
2024-03-24 13:40:55	bluetail	I know avmatrix does also produce things, and that there IS a special module as well which is a 'hack', but I won't use that in prod cause it is not officially supported
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2024-03-24 13:41:29	bluetail	btw that card is dual channel IN with the remainder being either loop through or with switching capabilities
2024-03-24 13:42:09	bluetail	you'd be looking if there are drivers like https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/magewell-pro-capture-dkms
2024-03-24 13:42:10	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - magewell-pro-capture-dkms (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-24 13:52:32	wantyapps	Hey everyone! After a recent update to my Arch machine, (I believe the issue is related to the firefox update) My screens go to sleep, even whilst watching a video in firefox. Did anyone experience this problem?
2024-03-24 13:52:40	wantyapps	(kernel 6.8.1)
2024-03-24 13:53:01	espresso	wantyapps: maybe try something in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Display_Power_Management_Signaling
2024-03-24 13:53:03	phrik	Title: Display Power Management Signaling - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-24 13:53:19	wantyapps	Tried everything, didn't fix.
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2024-03-24 13:58:43	wantyapps	Anyone? This is really quite annoying.. :D
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2024-03-24 14:04:37	virtualsid	wantyapps: what does xset q say? Assuming you're using X...
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2024-03-24 14:04:47	wantyapps	Am using x, one sesc
2024-03-24 14:04:52	nij-	Is there a repl interfact for systemd? 
2024-03-24 14:05:01	nij-	Or is reading its log the best way to understand what it is doing?
2024-03-24 14:05:37	nij-	Or is it common practice to use debugger to inspect systemd?
2024-03-24 14:05:46	gromit	nij-: what is your actual question? 
2024-03-24 14:05:49	virtualsid	wantyapps: fwiw, I don't normally watch videos on this arch laptop, so I'm not sure if the issue is something that faces me. I /think/ I've experienced it once so far.
2024-03-24 14:05:56	wantyapps	virtualsid: https://pastebin.com/HKV0iULp
2024-03-24 14:05:56	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/Xs-v.txt
2024-03-24 14:05:57	phrik	Title: xset q - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-03-24 14:05:58	wantyapps	Thanks for the help
2024-03-24 14:06:59	virtualsid	you could try to just disable DPMS and/or the screensaver I suppose, wantyapps. Not sure that's something you /want/ to do. I'm checking that wiki page still :)
2024-03-24 14:07:00	wantyapps	Just saying this didn't happen before the update, and I didn't change any xset settings. I'm assuming this is related to this version of firefox, but didn't find any info on the web
2024-03-24 14:07:39	wantyapps	virtualsid: I tried disabling with `xset -dpms` but even _that_ didn't work. Tho that probably relates to me not rebooting.
2024-03-24 14:07:47	virtualsid	no no
2024-03-24 14:07:50	wantyapps	(reenabled to restore previous settings)
2024-03-24 14:08:15	virtualsid	you might be getting the screensaver instead - you've got a screensaver (screenblanking?) at 600s
2024-03-24 14:08:27	virtualsid	xset s off -dpms <-- try that
2024-03-24 14:08:32	virtualsid	(from the wiki page)
2024-03-24 14:08:34	wantyapps	will do.
2024-03-24 14:08:45	wantyapps	(Read that, thought it was the same :p )
2024-03-24 14:08:46	virtualsid	is about 10 minutes when it blanks btw? I assume so.
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2024-03-24 14:08:52	virtualsid	haha
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2024-03-24 14:09:18	wantyapps	virtualsid: Actually I believe it is more than that, but that is only my brain's clock. If the command says 600s I'll believe it
2024-03-24 14:09:21	virtualsid	this is a short term fix btw - of course, it would be good if Firefox stopped the blanking thingy :)
2024-03-24 14:09:23	wantyapps	thanks for all the help!
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2024-03-24 14:09:45	virtualsid	good luck, enjoy the video :-D
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2024-03-24 14:11:24	wantyapps	Kiitos!
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2024-03-24 15:04:44	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-24 15:04:44	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1438 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1437 regular)
2024-03-24 14:51:43	novns	of all these broken things - I will not move from Arch, I'll just try something non-gnome
2024-03-24 14:52:25	novns	pure X with twm works fine
2024-03-24 14:52:33	gromit	novns: what? 
2024-03-24 14:53:39	novns	gromit, gnome-terminal got a big latency, about two seconds from keys pressed to characters appeared
2024-03-24 14:54:06	novns	some apps don't display any window but they are running normally without errors
2024-03-24 14:54:21	novns	firefox and chrome, for example
2024-03-24 14:54:38	espresso	nearly all problems I see are upstream anyway and tend to pass, or maybe get an AUR fix..
2024-03-24 14:54:57	wantyapps	virtualsid: Your solution seems to work. Thanks!!
2024-03-24 14:55:17	novns	and keyboard layouts refuse to switch, even by clicking indicators
2024-03-24 14:56:01	novns	oh, maybe it's nvidia blob driver to blame, but I have to use it
2024-03-24 14:57:55	novns	and no, it's not a lot of extensions, I tried with newly created user without any previous "settings"
2024-03-24 15:04:44	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-24 15:07:00	teraflops	no issues here in gnome using nvidia 
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2024-03-24 15:21:10	GaM3r2Xtreme	Hey folks, I run a QEMU vm with a Vega56 gpu pass-through. This requires a custom kernel module called 'vendor-reset'. This has worked fine up until a recent kernel update from 6.7.9 to 6.8.1, where a dkms install hook "dkms install --no-depmod vendor-reset/r114.4b466e9 -k 6.8.1-arch1-1" fails. Here's the make log file and I can include the pacman log file if needed:
2024-03-24 15:21:10	GaM3r2Xtreme	https://pastebin.com/XUCt98Fm
2024-03-24 15:21:11	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/Xsoc.txt
2024-03-24 15:21:12	phrik	Title: /var/lib/dkms/vendor-reset/r114.4b466e9/build/make.log - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-03-24 15:22:11	GaM3r2Xtreme	Is there a way I can revert back to the previous kernel version, or figure out why this build is erroring out? It looks like there is one error, but a number of warnings during the build.
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2024-03-24 15:23:15	Scimmia	easiest to just use the -lts kernel
2024-03-24 15:23:22	Namarrgon	report the issue upstream, too
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2024-03-24 15:23:57	GaM3r2Xtreme	Yeah, I was also going to report something to the vendor-reset git page.
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2024-03-24 15:26:33	TKD_tower	i wanna add something
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2024-03-24 15:27:06	Scimmia	GaM3r2Xtreme: https://review.lttng.org/c/lttng-modules/+/11701
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2024-03-24 15:27:57	Scimmia	how it was fixed in another module
2024-03-24 15:28:34	TKD_tower	in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Improving_performance#Improving_system_responsiveness_under_low-memory_conditions it says about improving performance under low memory, and solutions are just to make the system not have low memory
2024-03-24 15:28:59	TKD_tower	is it incomplete, or is that the intended solution / message
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2024-03-24 15:30:34	TKD_tower	to me the solution was to have a zram/swap setup of your choice
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2024-03-24 15:32:35	TKD_tower	ik "trigger an oom" isnt the only thing said there
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2024-03-24 15:33:24	GaM3r2Xtreme	I guess in the description, 'strscpy' is the replacement to use which needs updated in the vendor-reset package?
2024-03-24 15:33:32	espresso	TKD_tower: it mentions possible aids like killing apps, but RAM is a basic issue. swap in a way 'increases' available memory, with zram/zswap ways to compress
2024-03-24 15:33:43	GaM3r2Xtreme	Scimmia: Thanks for the link too. That's a good find
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2024-03-24 15:34:20	TKD_tower	combination of zram and swap etc tools like these
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2024-03-24 15:36:09	TKD_tower	mainly swap, standalone swap is whats the thing. others just aid it as much as it can iirc
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2024-03-24 16:23:59	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-24 16:23:59	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1442 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1441 regular)
2024-03-24 16:02:21	enoq	oh no, eog now has animations when cycling through images in gnome 46
2024-03-24 16:02:36	enoq	looks pretty, but makes it impossible to compare images
2024-03-24 16:03:16	mefistofeles	enoq: what about two isntances of it?
2024-03-24 16:03:32	enoq	mefistofeles, I usually swap back and forth using left/right
2024-03-24 16:03:39	enoq	two instances don't help there
2024-03-24 16:07:01	enoq	probably classic case of https://xkcd.com/1172/
2024-03-24 16:07:02	phrik	Title: xkcd: Workflow (at xkcd.com)
2024-03-24 16:15:18	wantyapps	GaM3r2Xtreme: You should ask in #linux.
2024-03-24 16:15:46	wantyapps	Disregard message, was looking at messages from more than an hour ago :D
2024-03-24 16:17:31	docdrow	Anyone fool with ROCm on archlinux?
2024-03-24 16:17:50	docdrow	I'm tryin' to build a dev environment in an LXC container but I cant figure out what stuff in /dev to expose to it
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2024-03-24 16:38:25	wantyapps	!paste
2024-03-24 16:38:26	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-03-24 16:54:42	ecraven	hm.. when running pacman-key --init, I get "gpg: [don't know]: invalid packet (ctb=40)", is that a problem with the server?
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2024-03-24 16:56:28	Scimmia	 init doesn't do anything with a server
2024-03-24 16:57:58	ecraven	thanks. just deleted the gnupg directory, things work again
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2024-03-24 17:09:40	greyltc	I'm excited for headless remote desktop that gnome 46 should brings. Has anyone here tested this on Arch?
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2024-03-24 17:24:16	greentail	https://bpa.st/5CLQ
2024-03-24 17:24:17	phrik	Title: View paste 5CLQ (at bpa.st)
2024-03-24 17:24:23	greentail	Hi. I've been having that problem for several months.   
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2024-03-24 17:24:36	greentail	If I switch from btrfs to ext4, will that solve the problem?  
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2024-03-24 17:25:47	edu4rdshl	That does looks like a problem with your RAM, disk or CPU
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2024-03-24 17:25:59	edu4rdshl	BTRFS is just showing you that there are wrong things
2024-03-24 17:26:10	edu4rdshl	Other may hide it, not fix it
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2024-03-24 17:26:56	greentail	edu4rdshl, https://bpa.st/OLQA
2024-03-24 17:26:57	phrik	Title: View paste OLQA (at bpa.st)
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2024-03-24 17:27:26	edu4rdshl	Yeah, that doesn't mean that other things aren't happening
2024-03-24 17:27:29	Namarrgon	do the errors return after you reset the counters?
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2024-03-24 17:29:11	greentail	edu4rdshl, I think it would be pretty hard to hide the errors. Because many programs return "can't write because disk is read-only". Whenever that happens. the only solution is to reboot. The thing is, I've been having that read-only problem for months, and I have to reboot at least 2 times per week due to that problem.  
2024-03-24 17:29:39	edu4rdshl	Again, that looks like a hw issue
2024-03-24 17:29:45	greentail	Namarrgon, I have reset the counter more than 5 times. The errors always come back.  
2024-03-24 17:29:47	edu4rdshl	Do you have the exact logs from when that happens?
2024-03-24 17:29:56	Namarrgon	that's probably a hardware issue
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2024-03-24 17:30:25	greentail	edu4rdshl, it just happened today again. Where can I find the "exact logs"?   
2024-03-24 17:30:51	greyltc	greentail: what does SMART tell you about the drive's health? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/S.M.A.R.T.
2024-03-24 17:30:52	phrik	Title: S.M.A.R.T. - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-24 17:31:00	greentail	Namarrgon, how can I find out what specific hardware is the problem? Replacing my whole PC wouldn't be cost-efficient.  
2024-03-24 17:31:16	Namarrgon	start with the disk, then the ram
2024-03-24 17:31:34	Aryan	hi, I get unknown trust err when doing -Syu
2024-03-24 17:31:34	Aryan	https://paste.rs/s1UTu.txt
2024-03-24 17:31:34	Aryan	I already cleared pacman cache (-Scc) and installed (-Sy)archlinux-keyring and also removed /etc/pacman.d/gnupg && pacman-key --init and changed localtime to UTC...
2024-03-24 17:31:34	Aryan	what else should I do?
2024-03-24 17:31:36	phrik	Title: Source Code | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
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2024-03-24 17:31:55	edu4rdshl	Dont change localtime to UTC
2024-03-24 17:32:01	edu4rdshl	Use your current timezone
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2024-03-24 17:32:11	edu4rdshl	Uuh
2024-03-24 17:32:17	edu4rdshl	google-chrome is not an Arch package
2024-03-24 17:32:17	Namarrgon	Aryan: did you import and sign the key for the third-party repo?
2024-03-24 17:32:19	edu4rdshl	:)
2024-03-24 17:32:19	gromit	Aryan: this is not an arch linux package
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2024-03-24 17:32:25	greentail	greyltc, https://bpa.st/MTWQ
2024-03-24 17:32:26	phrik	Title: View paste MTWQ (at bpa.st)
2024-03-24 17:33:52	gromit	I guess its from https://github.com/arch4edu/arch4edu
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2024-03-24 17:34:36	Aryan	i guess i didn't, where can I find it's gpg key? also, pacman doesn't show which pkg is from which repo?
2024-03-24 17:34:39	edu4rdshl	There are many third-party repos that include chrome tho
2024-03-24 17:34:42	Aryan	yes its arch4edu
2024-03-24 17:35:33	greyltc	greentail: you might ask the drive to do a short test on itself, `smartctl -t short /dev/sda`
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2024-03-24 17:36:31	greyltc	and besides considering bad ram, you might consider a bad or poorly plugged cable, but if the errors aren't counting up, I'd ignore them
2024-03-24 17:36:34	greentail	greyltc, https://bpa.st/ROAA
2024-03-24 17:36:36	phrik	Title: View paste ROAA (at bpa.st)
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2024-03-24 17:37:01	gromit	edu4rdshl: yeah but not many where this author is active :p
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2024-03-24 17:37:51	gromit	Aryan: the repo homepage has instructions on how to add their keys, but I think you're able to find that on your own
2024-03-24 17:37:55	greyltc	nbd, your drive doesn't support that test
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2024-03-24 17:38:50	greentail	greyltc, why does my drive not support that test? Is it too cheap? Is the brand a bad one?
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2024-03-24 17:39:57	greyltc	I wouldn't read too much into that, not every drive supports every SMART feature
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2024-03-24 17:42:25	Aryan	ok guys thank you so much, problem solved :)
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2024-03-24 17:42:31	greyltc	You can test your ram with memtest86+ https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Stress_testing#MemTest86+
2024-03-24 17:42:33	phrik	Title: Stress testing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-24 17:42:51	greentail	greyltc, I tested my RAM some weeks ago, overnight. Got no errors. 
2024-03-24 17:43:46	greyltc	You might consider swapping the sata cable for a different one and/or plugging into a different sata port
2024-03-24 17:44:37	greentail	greyltc, does that mean the drive itself is fine? I don't need to buy a new SSD?  
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2024-03-24 17:45:34	greyltc	no. it could be your drive, cabling or motherboard
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2024-03-24 17:47:28	siak	How can I enable wayland? I have KDE and whatever I do it still is using X11. I enabled fbdev and modset and confirmed that they are enabled. I put this also in sddm confs  [Wayland]
2024-03-24 17:47:28	siak	CompositorCommand=kwin_wayland --drm --no-lockscreen --no-global-shortcuts --locale1 --inputmethod maliit-keyboard
2024-03-24 17:47:57	greentail	greyltc, I have an old drive I can try, but it has ext4 and not btrfs. If I use that old drive for some weeks and I get no errors, does that mean that the cause of the errors is my current drive (SSD) ? 
2024-03-24 17:51:29	greyltc	switching to a different drive with an ext4 fs might not actually tell you much here. ext4 may just lack the diagnostic features to show the error
2024-03-24 17:52:07	greentail	greyltc, so btrfs is better than ext4 at diagnosing errors?  
2024-03-24 17:52:18	greyltc	yes
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2024-03-24 17:52:41	edu4rdshl	siak, how are you checking that it's running X11?
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2024-03-24 17:53:51	docdrow	You know what bothers me today...
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2024-03-24 17:54:02	docdrow	Hyper-V boots linux guests VASTLY faster than linux can boot linux guests :(
2024-03-24 17:54:53	edu4rdshl	Let me doubt that
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2024-03-24 17:55:19	greentail	greyltc, are there any benefits of using ext4 over btrfs?  
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2024-03-24 17:55:39	edu4rdshl	Speed gain on rusty disks, maybe
2024-03-24 17:55:47	siak	loginctl show-session $(awk '/tty/ {print $1}' <(loginctl)) -p Type | awk -F= '{print $2}'  
2024-03-24 17:55:50	edu4rdshl	But mostly downgrandes
2024-03-24 17:55:50	siak	X11
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2024-03-24 17:56:09	edu4rdshl	siak, echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
2024-03-24 17:56:17	edu4rdshl	Should be the same tho
2024-03-24 17:56:28	siak	Is the same
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2024-03-24 17:57:05	edu4rdshl	No idea, I have never used KDE, personally
2024-03-24 17:57:06	greentail	edu4rdshl, what do you mean by downgrandes? 
2024-03-24 17:57:21	edu4rdshl	greentail, loss of features and great things
2024-03-24 17:57:40	greentail	edu4rdshl, what do you use instead of KDE? 
2024-03-24 17:57:48	edu4rdshl	Gnome
2024-03-24 17:57:59	greentail	edu4rdshl, what do you use instead of Hexchat?  
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2024-03-24 17:58:12	edu4rdshl	Used Xfce for ~13 years, but switched to Gnome recently
2024-03-24 17:58:17	edu4rdshl	greentail, weechat :p
2024-03-24 17:58:23	greentail	edu4rdshl, thank you
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2024-03-24 17:59:12	edu4rdshl	!poll
2024-03-24 17:59:13	phrik	Compensation for channel surveys is accepted in Dogecoins, Simoleons, and Kongbucks.
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2024-03-24 17:59:42	greyltc	hehe
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2024-03-24 18:11:05	Aryan	How can I see the installed pkg from arch4edu repo?
2024-03-24 18:11:44	gromit	Aryan: pacman -Sl <reponame>
2024-03-24 18:12:14	gromit	that lists the available packages, then you have to figure out if you actually have them installed
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2024-03-24 18:13:19	docdrow	ummm.... 
2024-03-24 18:13:20	Aryan	gromit, thanks, actually it marks as [installed] the installed pkgs.
2024-03-24 18:13:24	MacGyver	Aryan: `paclist core`
2024-03-24 18:13:26	MacGyver	Uh.
2024-03-24 18:13:33	MacGyver	Aryan: `paclist arch4edu`
2024-03-24 18:13:42	docdrow	[deprecated] /usr/bin/wlfreerdp3 client has been deprecated
2024-03-24 18:13:48	docdrow	another surprise today
2024-03-24 18:13:49	MacGyver	(I double-checked with core that it only lists installed packages)
2024-03-24 18:13:53	Aryan	MacGyver, Ah nice
2024-03-24 18:14:48	gromit	MacGyver: noice! Although AFAIK pacman does not store from which repo a package was installed, so the output has to be taken with a grain of salt
2024-03-24 18:15:10	docdrow	So.. those of you using Wayland.. I guess freerdp is "retired" ?
2024-03-24 18:16:15	MacGyver	Yeah if packages are duplicated in arch4edu and other repositories, it looks like they still might come from those other repositories.
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2024-03-24 18:16:34	MacGyver	The magic is pacman -Sl "$@" | awk '/\[.*[[:alpha:]]+]$/ {print $2,$3};
2024-03-24 18:16:36	MacGyver	                     /\[.*[[:digit:]]+]$/ {print $2,substr($NF, 1, length($NF) - 1)}'
2024-03-24 18:17:07	MacGyver	I don't speak awk well enough but I *think* what it's doing is "if the field beyond the package name contains anything, keep it"
2024-03-24 18:17:25	greentail	MacGyver, what's NF stand for?  
2024-03-24 18:18:02	MacGyver	greentail: awk-internal, number of fields.
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2024-03-24 18:18:32	greentail	MacGyver, thanks
2024-03-24 18:20:02	gugah	this is the 3rd time in 3 weeks I have a system crash while updating my system
2024-03-24 18:20:08	gugah	kernel panic
2024-03-24 18:20:22	gugah	caps lock blinking, no sysreq keys I could use
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2024-03-24 18:22:23	TKD_tower	what did u do lmao
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2024-03-24 18:23:40	gugah	just updated my system
2024-03-24 18:24:15	TKD_tower	no i mean any special configurations etc
2024-03-24 18:24:24	TKD_tower	maybe check dmesg and journal
2024-03-24 18:24:28	greentail	gugah, what command did you run to update your system? 
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2024-03-24 18:25:05	susi	ifyou have not touched kernel.sysrq, it's probably set to 16, which does not allow much: https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/sysrq.html
2024-03-24 18:25:06	phrik	Title: Linux Magic System Request Key Hacks — The Linux Kernel documentation (at docs.kernel.org)
2024-03-24 18:25:26	gugah	greentail: yay
2024-03-24 18:25:46	gugah	but pretty sure it was during the pacman -Syu part
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2024-03-24 18:26:27	susi	maybe there's failing hardware, disk or ram
2024-03-24 18:26:32	gugah	need to restore my kernel, it's panicking when I reboot
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2024-03-24 18:27:19	TKD_tower	what does the panic say?
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2024-03-24 19:54:10	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-03-24 18:28:28	gugah	it's running the cleanup hook
2024-03-24 18:28:33	gugah	and panics
2024-03-24 18:28:37	gugah	udev
2024-03-24 18:29:12	mefistofeles	gugah: wow, not great, does the LTS kernel work?
2024-03-24 18:29:17	TKD_tower	checked the system logs? dmesg etc
2024-03-24 18:29:20	gugah	susi: only happened when updating with yay
2024-03-24 18:29:24	greentail	gugah, try using `pacman -Syu` without yay. Does that also result in kernel panics?  
2024-03-24 18:29:37	gugah	otherwise my system was stable
2024-03-24 18:29:39	mefistofeles	oh wait, it panics *during* Syu? :o
2024-03-24 18:29:40	gugah	will try
2024-03-24 18:29:51	TKD_tower	what a quick 4 second typing there, ignoring the delay
2024-03-24 18:29:59	gugah	mefistofeles: technically yay
2024-03-24 18:30:06	gugah	but yay called Syu
2024-03-24 18:30:14	TKD_tower	check pacman logs for what its actually calling
2024-03-24 18:30:18	mefistofeles	gugah: I see, yeah, I think it's better to use pacman in general for such thing
2024-03-24 18:31:26	TKD_tower	tbh yay's output is so bad after an update
2024-03-24 18:31:35	greentail	TKD_tower, were you talking about my typing? How many wpm do you get?  
2024-03-24 18:31:47	TKD_tower	i was talking about your response time
2024-03-24 18:36:44	greentail	https://askubuntu.com/a/1329615
2024-03-24 18:36:45	phrik	Title: partitioning - Dual boot two Linux distributions on one disk - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
2024-03-24 18:36:57	greentail	Hi. I want to dual-boot Debian and Arch in the same SSD.  
2024-03-24 18:37:29	gugah	"/var/log/pacman.log" just has "Running pacman -Syu" and syncchornizing package lists
2024-03-24 18:37:34	gugah	before the kernel panic
2024-03-24 18:37:40	greentail	That AskUbuntu post says that I have to install Debian in a USB drive, and then copy the root partition from that USB drive to my SSD. Is that the right way to do it?  
2024-03-24 18:43:21	akik	greentail: why don't you just start the debian install and then configure uefi to start which ever distro's grub you want to use and start debian from there?
2024-03-24 18:44:28	akik	greentail: grub can chainload efi files
2024-03-24 18:45:41	greentail	akik, so each distro has to have its own Grub installation? They cannot share the same Grub?  
2024-03-24 18:46:01	akik	greentail: you can use one grub to boot any other distro
2024-03-24 19:05:10	TKD_tower	tbh i delete all caches because wasted space and i have low space
2024-03-24 19:11:56	greyltc	gugah: `df -h` what's that return?
2024-03-24 19:14:59	greyltc	illuminated: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Cleaning_the_package_cache
2024-03-24 19:15:01	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-24 19:17:21	gugah	greyltc: good call but my root partition has 27G used, 34 avail
2024-03-24 19:17:29	gugah	so it's not that
2024-03-24 19:17:39	gugah	not sure what causes the 0bytes download
2024-03-24 19:19:50	susi	how can you say it's not that?
2024-03-24 19:20:04	susi	ah, misread 
2024-03-24 19:20:06	gugah	susi, with 34gb available?
2024-03-24 19:20:17	gugah	unless it's a disk error...
2024-03-24 19:20:21	susi	I readit like 34G total of which 27G used
2024-03-24 19:20:42	greyltc	gugah: are you on btrfs?
2024-03-24 19:21:31	gugah	no
2024-03-24 19:51:31	invra	i am using gnome on wayland with the nvidia-dkms driver. I cannot change display refresh rate in settings. they are greyed out. what can it be?
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2024-03-24 19:55:20	novns	invra, check the nvidia GUI settings tool
2024-03-24 19:55:28	novns	not GNOME's one
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2024-03-24 19:59:38	teraflops	invra: did you enable vrr?
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2024-03-24 20:02:07	invra	teraflops: what is that?
2024-03-24 20:02:22	teraflops	then I guess not ;) virtual refresh rate
2024-03-24 20:02:38	teraflops	variable
2024-03-24 20:02:41	teraflops	not virtual
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2024-03-24 20:03:52	invra	nah i didnt touch anything
2024-03-24 20:03:58	invra	jsut out of the box config
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2024-03-24 20:05:44	teraflops	invra: it happens the same in xorg?
2024-03-24 20:07:12	invra	let me test brb
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2024-03-24 20:09:46	invra	yeah same on xorg
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2024-03-24 20:10:09	invra	also i do not see any nvidia gui settings tool
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2024-03-24 20:10:12	invra	in the menu 
2024-03-24 20:10:21	invra	nvidia-dkms does not install it i guess?
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2024-03-24 20:10:39	teraflops	you have to tun nvidia-settings
2024-03-24 20:10:43	teraflops	run*
2024-03-24 20:10:59	invra	command not found
2024-03-24 20:11:08	farkenvoid	there's a lot of other stuff you have to do
2024-03-24 20:11:32	farkenvoid	the archwiki is all up on that ****
2024-03-24 20:11:47	invra	yeah it says that for wayland i need nvidia-dkms
2024-03-24 20:12:01	teraflops	hmm, that is not accurate
2024-03-24 20:12:23	farkenvoid	and edit modules and whatever you're using for init
2024-03-24 20:12:40	invra	what wiki page are you referring to?
2024-03-24 20:12:45	teraflops	invra: you have to install nvidia-settings which blacklist nouveu
2024-03-24 20:12:46	invra	i might be lookign at something else then
2024-03-24 20:12:51	teraflops	I suspect you are using nouveau not nvidia
2024-03-24 20:12:57	teraflops	glxinfo -B
2024-03-24 20:13:33	farkenvoid	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA
2024-03-24 20:13:34	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-24 20:13:49	invra	teraflops: https://bpa.st/6EHQ
2024-03-24 20:13:51	phrik	Title: View paste 6EHQ (at bpa.st)
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2024-03-24 20:14:05	invra	yeah it looks like im not using the nvidia driver
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2024-03-24 20:14:30	teraflops	oh it's nvidia-utils package the one that blacklist nouveau
2024-03-24 20:14:45	teraflops	yeah
2024-03-24 20:14:59	teraflops	invra: install nvidia-settings and nvidia-utils and reboot
2024-03-24 20:15:07	invra	allright erectus 
2024-03-24 20:15:11	invra	teraflops: **
2024-03-24 20:15:12	teraflops	;)
2024-03-24 20:15:38	invra	dafuq that name lol
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2024-03-24 20:15:46	teraflops	latin ;)
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2024-03-24 20:16:04	teraflops	oh nvm
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2024-03-24 20:19:09	invra	yeah well taht seems that did nothing teraflops 
2024-03-24 20:19:29	teraflops	lsmod | grep -i nvidia
2024-03-24 20:19:54	invra	no output
2024-03-24 20:20:01	teraflops	etil using nouveau
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2024-03-24 20:20:06	teraflops	still^
2024-03-24 20:20:42	teraflops	is there any reason you are using nvidia-dkms?
2024-03-24 20:21:20	invra	isnt that what i am suppsoed to sue for wayland
2024-03-24 20:21:33	teraflops	is this a PC with only one gpu?
2024-03-24 20:21:42	invra	yes
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2024-03-24 20:22:05	teraflops	no you dot have to install nvidia-dkms for wayland
2024-03-24 20:22:11	teraflops	do not
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2024-03-24 20:23:10	invra	jsut normal nvidia?
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2024-03-24 20:25:11	teraflops	yeah, do you have this file? /usr/lib/modprobe.d/nvidia-utils.conf
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2024-03-24 20:26:05	teraflops	invra: also paste your /etc/mkinitcpio.conf
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2024-03-24 20:32:01	invra	teraflops: https://bpa.st/QMNA
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2024-03-24 20:32:03	phrik	Title: View paste QMNA (at bpa.st)
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2024-03-24 20:34:24	teraflops	still not loading nvidia module? 
2024-03-24 20:34:42	invra	yes now it seems it slaoding the nvidia driver
2024-03-24 20:35:02	teraflops	glxinfo -B and lsmod | grep -i nvidia
2024-03-24 20:35:47	invra	https://bpa.st/H5NA 
2024-03-24 20:35:48	phrik	Title: View paste H5NA (at bpa.st)
2024-03-24 20:36:10	invra	 https://bpa.st/PCEA
2024-03-24 20:36:12	phrik	Title: View paste PCEA (at bpa.st)
2024-03-24 20:36:37	invra	looks like its loading them but now it works terrible... gnome settings window wont render
2024-03-24 20:36:41	invra	jsut totally invisible
2024-03-24 20:36:50	invra	so for Files
2024-03-24 20:37:06	invra	most of the gnome applications do not render
2024-03-24 20:37:53	teraflops	glxinfo output is not ok
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2024-03-24 20:39:42	invra	not sure
2024-03-24 20:40:09	Namarrgon	llvmpipe is software acceleration
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2024-03-24 20:41:12	teraflops	invra: which cpu is this?
2024-03-24 20:41:18	teraflops	gpu*
2024-03-24 20:41:23	invra	1070ti
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2024-03-24 20:46:57	digital_mystik	howdy.. does anyone here use grml-zsh-config? just trying it out for the first time along with my `.zshrc` moved to `.zshrc.local` per the man page.. looks like everything is working together (had to make an empty .zshrc to stop zsh from asking to have a config - I think that's right?), but noticed that lsd does not show colors or icons.. might not be working at all. any idea why this would be
2024-03-24 20:46:57	digital_mystik	the case? not a big deal or anything, but 
2024-03-24 20:46:59	digital_mystik	guessing the grml config is overriding it?
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2024-03-24 20:47:45	Namarrgon	"alias lsd"
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2024-03-24 20:48:36	digital_mystik	yeah, no dice unfortunately.. even when just running the base command
2024-03-24 20:48:48	Namarrgon	what do mean "no dice"?
2024-03-24 20:48:55	Namarrgon	does it not return anything?
2024-03-24 20:48:55	digital_mystik	doesn't work
2024-03-24 20:49:02	digital_mystik	just regular ls
2024-03-24 20:49:15	Namarrgon	what does "alias lsd" return?
2024-03-24 20:49:16	digital_mystik	when running the alias and lsd by itself
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2024-03-24 20:49:35	digital_mystik	lsd='command ls -d *(/)'
2024-03-24 20:49:42	digital_mystik	ahh haa.. there's the issue
2024-03-24 20:49:48	Namarrgon	that's fine, it's probably your own zshrc that interferes
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2024-03-24 20:51:36	digital_mystik	just set lsd=lsd in my local config and now it works
2024-03-24 20:51:49	Namarrgon	don't do that
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2024-03-24 20:53:03	teraflops	invra: I do not know what's wrong there. you are supposed to install nvidia packages and reboot but your system is using software rendering that's why it all is that slow
2024-03-24 20:53:06	digital_mystik	the grml config has it set already as `alias lsd='command ls -d *(/)'`.. is there another way to do it? I don't ever use that command to be honest
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2024-03-24 20:55:10	invra	teraflops:  not sure how to change that
2024-03-24 20:55:41	siak	Is it a good idea to backup the ~/.cache folder?
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2024-03-24 20:56:07	invra	as far as i know its useless to backup .cache
2024-03-24 20:56:12	invra	its just a cache directory
2024-03-24 20:56:23	invra	programs dont keep configurations in there, just cache
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2024-03-24 20:57:17	siak	Thought may speed up things later))
2024-03-24 20:57:28	demonicmaniac1	depends if you want eventual mails and browsing history and cookies etcpp
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2024-03-24 20:57:53	Namarrgon	digital_mystik: i wouldn't use the grml config for daily use. it's something you slap on a system that you rarely touch to get somewhat better defaults.
2024-03-24 20:58:14	manuels	Just to start a random flamewar: snap or flat? 
2024-03-24 20:58:14	teraflops	invra: try to rebuild the initramfs image
2024-03-24 20:58:20	teraflops	mkinitcpio -P
2024-03-24 20:58:24	demonicmaniac1	manuels: neither
2024-03-24 20:58:27	Namarrgon	digital_mystik: if you like something from the config then incorporate it into your own but having two configs that compete with each other is a great source of fun
2024-03-24 20:58:31	manuels	What else? 
2024-03-24 20:58:41	invra	ok teraflops 
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2024-03-24 20:59:03	kode54	MacGyver: I am asking if anyone knows
2024-03-24 20:59:06	demonicmaniac1	if you absolutely have to have something not a package appimage but really just write a pkgbuild
2024-03-24 20:59:07	siak	Shouldn't we avoid snap and flat?
2024-03-24 20:59:11	kode54	Guess it’s nothing
2024-03-24 20:59:19	teraflops	and reboot, beyond that idk what's wrong there
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2024-03-24 21:00:10	siak	Is it OK generally to backup a ext4 partition on a NTFS one?
2024-03-24 21:00:35	demonicmaniac1	siak: you will lose some extended attributes on files
2024-03-24 21:00:37	Namarrgon	only if you put the files into an archive the preserves the meta-data
2024-03-24 21:00:43	siak	What about ~/.local? Should I back it up?
2024-03-24 21:01:17	siak	I don't have enough space to backup my home (
2024-03-24 21:01:39	teraflops	then avoid ~/.cache
2024-03-24 21:02:09	demonicmaniac1	local will contain proton and stuff if you have that so also a lot of "useless" space
2024-03-24 21:02:22	demonicmaniac1	not sure if you wine/game stuff installed that would also clutter up home a lot i suppose
2024-03-24 21:02:43	demonicmaniac1	you can just check with ncdu ~ what's using up the most space
2024-03-24 21:02:47	invra	i would backup local to be honest
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2024-03-24 21:02:57	teraflops	siak: stall somethi g like gdu and inspect folders and their size to get a better idea
2024-03-24 21:03:01	teraflops	install
2024-03-24 21:03:15	invra	ncdu is quite cool for that 
2024-03-24 21:03:42	siak	Without cache and some other stuff. I wanted to backup things on another disk and format root.
2024-03-24 21:05:51	siak	teraflops: Yes I am using du. If I shrink current root partiton and create a new partition and put home stuff in it...
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2024-03-24 21:06:19	kevr	siak: $XDG_DATA_HOME for a standard user is in ~/.local/share, which contains a lot of data and configuration files for certain programs, but it depends what you use.
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2024-03-24 21:06:32	kevr	i'd say .local, .config, other dotfile configs you have
2024-03-24 21:06:44	siak	There is a filelight tool also
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2024-03-24 21:08:39	invra	teraflops: no luck. i guess it will not work properly on my hardware
2024-03-24 21:08:46	kevr	however, if you use steam and have steam games installed, those are stored in ~/.local/share/Steam iirc, and you don't really have to keep that if you can just redownload the games later.
2024-03-24 21:08:53	invra	strange i ahvent had ony problem on my main distro
2024-03-24 21:08:54	kevr	might wanna consider bypassing that if you're short on space
2024-03-24 21:09:46	siak	There is something there  .nuget. It is a big one.
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2024-03-24 21:10:11	siak	Don't have steam or proton
2024-03-24 21:10:14	demonicmaniac1	if you use profile sync daemon then that also tends to store a copy there
2024-03-24 21:10:25	kevr	if that's the same nuget i'm thinking about, which is just a library manager for C# i think?
2024-03-24 21:10:28	demonicmaniac1	or retroarch storing thumbnails under ~/.config
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2024-03-24 21:14:03	siak	kevr: Defintely no to that then.
2024-03-24 21:14:21	kevr	gotcha
2024-03-24 21:14:26	kevr	no clue about that, then
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2024-03-24 21:15:26	siak	About what?
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2024-03-24 21:17:29	siak	What if I back it uo on an XFS? I still lose metadata?
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2024-03-24 21:19:01	demonicmaniac1	invra: did you post your xorg.log and dmesg for when llvmpipe was loaded and nvidia not?
2024-03-24 21:19:10	demonicmaniac1	invra: or tried gnome with xorg as well and not wayland?
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2024-03-24 21:19:24	kevr	siak: no clue about .nuget and how important it is
2024-03-24 21:19:32	chiselfuse	i installed texlive-core but i can't find the `latexmk` command
2024-03-24 21:19:36	kevr	for your use case
2024-03-24 21:19:44	chiselfuse	pkgfile told me that it's in texlive-core
2024-03-24 21:20:35	siak	kevr: I don't have any .net app
2024-03-24 21:20:42	kevr	chiselfuse: yeah, that is interesting, the package has zero files named latexmk, but pkgfile tells me the same
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2024-03-24 21:21:27	kevr	siak: imo it would be safe to let go, but i don't want to be the cause of you losing something you need
2024-03-24 21:22:00	siak	No worries.
2024-03-24 21:22:07	chiselfuse	kevr: the package looks strange, i couldn't find one with the name on arch repos
2024-03-24 21:22:15	chiselfuse	it's texlive-basic or something
2024-03-24 21:22:23	chiselfuse	redirects to it
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2024-03-24 21:22:28	demonicmaniac1	usr/bin/latexmk is owned by extra/texlive-binextra 2024.0-3 
2024-03-24 21:22:29	siak	Looks like I cannot shrink the partition (
2024-03-24 21:22:32	demonicmaniac1	use pacman -F 
2024-03-24 21:23:14	demonicmaniac1	your pkgfile seems to use ancient database files
2024-03-24 21:23:23	kevr	ah
2024-03-24 21:23:25	kevr	++
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2024-03-24 21:24:13	chiselfuse	demonicmaniac1: when am i to use pkgfile and when am i to use pacman -F?
2024-03-24 21:25:15	demonicmaniac1	chiselfuse: essentially pkgfile is obsolete since pacman included the functionality via pacman -F
2024-03-24 21:25:34	demonicmaniac1	i forget when it was merged, pkgfile was an extra tool while pacman didn't have -F
2024-03-24 21:25:44	chiselfuse	demonicmaniac1: why doesn't pkgfile work for this though, i'm curious
2024-03-24 21:25:49	Tom^	demonicmaniac1: years ago
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2024-03-24 21:25:51	Tom^	demonicmaniac1: :p
2024-03-24 21:26:13	siak	What if I remove all folders except home and install Arch?
2024-03-24 21:26:19	demonicmaniac1	chiselfuse: because you didn't update the database. pkgfile requires you to download a current database
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2024-03-24 21:26:32	demonicmaniac1	chiselfuse: it would probably work after a pkgfile -u to refresh the package database
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2024-03-24 21:28:52	demonicmaniac1	if not i guess maybe pkgfile uses some hardcoded paths to databases instead of parsing pacman.d/mirrorlist and fetches outdated *shrugs*
2024-03-24 21:30:32	chiselfuse	hm
2024-03-24 21:30:34	chiselfuse	-u did work
2024-03-24 21:32:02	teraflops	pkgfile has a command-not-found.zsh which is quite handy
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2024-03-24 21:33:05	chiselfuse	teraflops: i have that yea
2024-03-24 21:33:24	chiselfuse	should include it with pacman instead then
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2024-03-24 21:38:26	siak	I mean instead of formatting the root partition just deleting some folders.
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2024-03-24 21:41:52	chiselfuse	use gdu
2024-03-24 21:43:57	siak	I mean is that OK with Arch installation process?
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2024-03-24 21:45:51	chiselfuse	what are you asking about
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2024-03-24 21:47:54	akik	22:26 < siak> What if I remove all folders except home and install Arch?
2024-03-24 21:48:00	demize	(I still use pkgfile most of the time because it's significantly faster than `pacman -F`.  :p)
2024-03-24 21:48:53	siak	I want to replace Manjaro with Arch. First I wanted to backup my home and fortmat the root. But now if it is ok I just remove folders and let home stay when installing Arch.
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2024-03-24 21:50:35	phonemic	siak: unless you have /home on a separate partition, I'd backup your /home data to alternate storage and start over.
2024-03-24 21:51:19	phonemic	create a separate partition for home and then move the data back over
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2024-03-24 21:51:40	siak	Don't have enough space
2024-03-24 21:51:57	ectospasm	sounds like you don't have external storage, either
2024-03-24 21:52:17	siak	External storage is NTFS and partially full.
2024-03-24 21:52:25	ectospasm	hmmm
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2024-03-24 21:52:57	ectospasm	This can get tricky, but it is doable.  However, if your experience level isn't very high it can be easy to fuck up.
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2024-03-24 21:53:16	siak	What?
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2024-03-24 21:54:09	phonemic	siak: if you care about the data in home I'd find a way to back it up before doing anything
2024-03-24 21:54:18	phonemic	if you don't, then go for it
2024-03-24 21:54:43	teraflops	!tias
2024-03-24 21:54:43	phrik	Try It And See™
2024-03-24 21:54:53	siak	!tias
2024-03-24 21:54:54	phrik	Try It And See™
2024-03-24 21:54:59	ectospasm	On a very high level, you could boot the Arch ISO, delete everything but /home on your main root partition, shrink the filesystem to the size you want, then shrink the partition to be just larger than that filesystem, create a new partition for root, then install as normal.  I would *NOT* do this without a proper backup
2024-03-24 21:55:04	siak	?
2024-03-24 21:55:41	akik	siak: you can create a tar of your /home on ntfs
2024-03-24 21:55:52	ectospasm	^
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2024-03-24 21:56:24	ectospasm	Yeah, `tar -cvJf /path/to/NTFS/volume/home.backup.tar.xz /home`
2024-03-24 21:56:40	ectospasm	xz can be a little slow, but it gives really good compression ratios
2024-03-24 21:56:43	siak	ectospasm: looks simple and doable. Except when partitioning fails.
2024-03-24 21:56:59	ectospasm	siak: yeah, that's the most difficult part.
2024-03-24 21:57:29	ectospasm	But if you can create a backup of /home first, you don't even need to do it the way I mentioned.
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2024-03-24 21:58:36	siak	I am thinking deep inside how much I love my data ))))
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2024-03-24 21:59:33	teraflops	siak: tar has the advantage that is keeps permissions and ownerships
2024-03-24 21:59:34	ectospasm	Yep.  If you decide you don't need it that much, then it's easy.  But it does depend on several factors, including how difficult it will be to restore that data from other sources
2024-03-24 21:59:39	siak	OK I will create a tar on external. Then try to do the partitioning thing.
2024-03-24 21:59:40	teraflops	is/it
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2024-03-24 22:00:30	ectospasm	I'd also make sure your local storage is optimized, check out the Install Guide on the wiki before you repartition it.
2024-03-24 22:00:53	ectospasm	it can make a huge difference in disk performance.
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2024-03-25 04:31:52	Scimmia	travail101: I wish everyone asking for help was like you. The Arch community gets a bad rep because complete newbies expect to have their hand held and everything spoon feed to them. You're asking intelligent questions and taking the time to understand the system
2024-03-25 04:32:38	virtualsid	huh. generated by NetworkManager, but I'm not using it anymore. D'oh.
2024-03-25 04:33:28	virtualsid	Thanks for making me aware of my broken setup :)
2024-03-25 04:33:34	travail101	thanks, that makes me feel better, cause I feel like an idiot asking stupid questions who needs his hand held XD
2024-03-25 04:34:07	Scimmia	virtualsid: at least it didn't happen when things were broken :D
2024-03-25 04:34:10	virtualsid	As you can see, we're not all geniuses - considering you and Scimmia made me realise my own resolv.conf was not right - just working by luck ;)
2024-03-25 04:34:13	virtualsid	lol Scimmia 
2024-03-25 04:34:14	mefistofeles	to be fair, that arch community reputation is more of a meme
2024-03-25 04:34:17	mefistofeles	we are all noobs :P 
2024-03-25 04:34:24	virtualsid	mefistofeles: :-D
2024-03-25 04:35:46	travail101	I think the first time I installed Arch I just did a bunch of what I use on Gentoo, and didn't look into any of the options listed in the arch manual.... I still don't know how I got it all working the first time without jumping in here for help, though.
2024-03-25 04:35:47	travail101	pretty sure I used Grub and NetworkManager on my first Arch install
2024-03-25 04:36:28	Scimmia	and that works. I actually came from Gentoo myself, and Slackware prior to that
2024-03-25 04:37:08	travail101	so is there a guide for ditching systemd and using something else on arch? and how do you guys feel about the whole "systemd is spying on you" reasoning behind a bunch of linux folk refusing to use systemd?
2024-03-25 04:37:22	Scimmia	that is not easy
2024-03-25 04:37:34	Scimmia	and the spying on you aspect is BS
2024-03-25 04:37:53	virtualsid	it's spying on your system, to make sure your daemons keep running
2024-03-25 04:37:56	travail101	but have you heard that complaint? or am I misremembering the main complaints against systemd?
2024-03-25 04:38:18	Scimmia	The main complaints are crap about no being the Unix way and such
2024-03-25 04:38:25	travail101	it's been several months since I last read up on the various init systems
2024-03-25 04:38:31	Namarrgon	that's just another "meme"
2024-03-25 04:38:39	travail101	the UNIX way... :/
2024-03-25 04:38:48	travail101	(R) TM
2024-03-25 04:39:16	Scimmia	and that's total BS, as the UNIX way is havinging a bunch of utiltites in one repo that are made to work together, which is exactly what systemd is
2024-03-25 04:40:31	virtualsid	I've had a couple of corrupt journal logfile situations, due to hard reboot, but that's about the worst of it. Not sure syslog would've logged text properly at that point in any case.
2024-03-25 04:41:06	virtualsid	I followed the crowd a bit, along with 'wtf is systemd?' in my own mind, for a long while. But as a user, I'm honestly pretty happy.
2024-03-25 04:41:07	travail101	you guys read all this stuff? https://nosystemd.org/
2024-03-25 04:41:08	phrik	Title: No systemd (at nosystemd.org)
2024-03-25 04:41:09	Scimmia	Honestly, IMO, the main objection to systemd is that it's different and people don't want to lean something new
2024-03-25 04:41:32	virtualsid	travail101: nope, not yet. worth reading?
2024-03-25 04:42:04	travail101	idk, I felt like I found a reasonable concern once long ago, bt now I am reviewing what's here, and I don't see any major issues being complained about
2024-03-25 04:42:23	travail101	just a list of bugs, and the guy who made systemd supposedly wants to force everyone to use it?
2024-03-25 04:42:50	travail101	I assume a list of bugs could be compiled for any init system
2024-03-25 04:43:02	Scimmia	and it's impossible to force anyone in a FOSS community
2024-03-25 04:43:09	travail101	all I know is I have never had a linux distro boot to the login prompt as fast as my Arch installs
2024-03-25 04:43:28	Scimmia	parallel startup definitely has benifits
2024-03-25 04:43:36	travail101	well. I have noticed that Gentoo has had to make opatches for a lot of DE stuff to get it to work without systemd
2024-03-25 04:43:43	travail101	that's probably what this site is referring t
2024-03-25 04:43:45	travail101	to
2024-03-25 04:44:07	travail101	patches*
2024-03-25 04:44:18	Scimmia	becuase those DEs have decided the benifits of systemd are worth taking advantage of
2024-03-25 04:44:20	virtualsid	a few of those lists of bugs seem to be bugs that could happen to any software, and are closed now anyway (at least, the few I checked out)
2024-03-25 04:44:24	travail101	Like I think Gnome out of the box expecfts systemd for stuff
2024-03-25 04:44:41	travail101	that's what I was thinking about the bug list virtualsid
2024-03-25 04:44:58	virtualsid	yeah, I am unsure about the "needs other software to cater to systemd" aspect. I think that's a bit wrong.
2024-03-25 04:45:04	virtualsid	Makes things /less/ portable
2024-03-25 04:45:17	virtualsid	BUT! I'm not really that deep in things, so maybe it's actually a good thing?
2024-03-25 04:46:01	Scimmia	if anyone is using a BSD in a situation where they need GNOME, ummm...what?
2024-03-25 04:46:56	travail101	as long as it's fully open source so anyone can audit the code, and there's no proprietary junk in a black box as part of it, I don't see how it can be so evil....
2024-03-25 04:46:56	travail101	but if it is coded to use google as a default failsafe backup for DNS, that's a little sus, but I imagine that line of code could be changed
2024-03-25 04:47:39	Scimmia	it can be set, and you don't even have to use resolved. Remember, it's a group of separate utilities
2024-03-25 04:47:45	travail101	I also don't know enough about all the programming and politics side of things to know what is bad, but this current list at nosystemd dot org seems a bit lacking in any substantive issues
2024-03-25 04:48:11	Scimmia	I'm not using resovled on any of my systems
2024-03-25 04:48:33	travail101	it just seems so efficient to use whatever is already bundled with the system :P
2024-03-25 04:48:49	travail101	do you manually configure all your networking stuff?
2024-03-25 04:48:53	Scimmia	glibc is bundled, too
2024-03-25 04:49:37	Scimmia	I manually setup resolv.conf on wired servers, use networkmanager on most other systems
2024-03-25 04:50:17	Scimmia	and avahi on systems when needed
2024-03-25 04:52:32	Scimmia	resolvconf works in a lot of setups that need more dynamic setups
2024-03-25 04:55:01	virtualsid	I just noticed the google DNS thing. That's annoying if it's still true :(
2024-03-25 04:55:25	travail101	https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/5pubmn/why_is_systemd_so_bad/
2024-03-25 04:55:26	phrik	Title: Why is systemd so bad? : linuxmasterrace (at www.reddit.com)
2024-03-25 04:55:31	travail101	interesting thread to read
2024-03-25 04:55:39	mefistofeles	answer: it isn't
2024-03-25 04:55:43	mefistofeles	:P
2024-03-25 04:56:03	Scimmia	virtualsid: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/systemd/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads#L122
2024-03-25 04:56:04	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / systemd · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-03-25 04:59:21	virtualsid	Scimmia: that seems super odd to me, why would they even do that :( But... we're so way off topic now :)
2024-03-25 04:59:23	travail101	the most annoying thing to me is how systemd is so much more than just an init system, and it wants to bundle in lots of daemons which replace other daemons, and then all the DE software wants to only support the systemd ecosystem, and it's essentially crowding out all the other tools.
2024-03-25 04:59:23	travail101	On thing mentioned in this reddit thread is that systemd's logger uses a binary format, so if your log file is corrupted, it can't be parsed at all.  and the only way to switch to a plain text logger is to have the systemd logger daemon forward all the log data to your logger of choice, you can't just remove the systemd logger... as gnome and
2024-03-25 04:59:24	travail101	other DEs depend on it for no apparent reason... so the story goes.
2024-03-25 04:59:24	travail101	I just know Gentoo has lots of patches to run a non-systemd system, lots of packages are patched just to remove systemd dependency, and I gotta admit, that is a bit alarming, even if systemd is so far doing a really good job and making useful and stable software that just works
2024-03-25 05:00:21	edu4rdshl	Oh no, lets no start this again pls
2024-03-25 05:01:05	travail101	I guess when they say it's not the UNIX way, it's because the development style of this guy is monolithic software that does everything, rather than a bunch of modular components that you can mix and match as you wish and get only what you want for each system
2024-03-25 05:01:25	travail101	edu4rdshl was this a hot topic recently in here? :P
2024-03-25 05:01:28	travail101	I wasn't here for it
2024-03-25 05:02:06	Scimmia	It *is* a bunch of moduler software that you can take or leave. Just like the actual UNIX distros
2024-03-25 05:02:26	virtualsid	travail101: maybe a topic for #archlinux-offtopic I think :)
2024-03-25 05:02:37	Scimmia	If systemd isn't "the UNIX way" then neither is any BSD
2024-03-25 05:04:27	Scimmia	as for it being a hot topic, it's been off and on for more than 10 years as the people that hate change have drug it out
2024-03-25 05:05:23	Scimmia	where the people that look at the technology keep moving forward
2024-03-25 05:06:02	virtualsid	i'm using it, I'm not fighting it. I'm not opposed to it, but I did think it was one heck of a big change at the time.
2024-03-25 05:06:13	Scimmia	I'll admit, I wasn't happy that systemd consumed udev, and I'm still not
2024-03-25 05:06:18	virtualsid	(And, at the time, I wasn't sure of the value)
2024-03-25 05:06:39	virtualsid	I'm not too happy about the logging aspect, but there are benefits too of systemd's binary logging thingy
2024-03-25 05:07:05	Scimmia	and you can easily forward it to a syslog daemon
2024-03-25 05:07:20	virtualsid	Yeah, and I do that on a couple of systems
2024-03-25 05:07:30	virtualsid	I haven't on my laptop.
2024-03-25 05:07:38	edu4rdshl	travail101, the problem with that topic is that it has been the same nonsense since about 10 years now. And you'd be surprised: systemd is the less monolithic thing that you can imagine, everything is a piece that can be used standalone
2024-03-25 05:08:29	edu4rdshl	And, believe it or not, systemd has been one of the best things that have ever happened to the Linux ecosystem
2024-03-25 05:08:54	edu4rdshl	And I'm not going to say anything more about that topic
2024-03-25 05:08:56	virtualsid	I can get behind that - more uniformity for startup.
2024-03-25 05:09:12	virtualsid	I wasn't aware that systemd did networking until Arch
2024-03-25 05:09:28	virtualsid	Too used to the Debian way with /etc/network/interface.blah
2024-03-25 05:12:03	travail101	systemd seems to have very much modernized the linux desktop experience, so I can understand how a lot of DE dev teams would want to just use that and not mess with the potluck of supporting every other possible daemon...
2024-03-25 05:12:04	travail101	So for sure, when it comes to Linux as a laptop or desktop personal computer install, systemd does seem to simplify everything for the devs, and make it easier to get things to just work automatically and plug & play
2024-03-25 05:13:46	elrohir	is the Arch Wiki down or is it just me?
2024-03-25 05:14:07	elrohir	https://wiki.archlinux.org/
2024-03-25 05:14:07	virtualsid	front page and install guide loading for me...
2024-03-25 05:14:08	phrik	Title: ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-25 05:14:23	Scimmia	!isup wiki.archlinux.org
2024-03-25 05:14:23	phrik	Scimmia: BLEEP BLOOP
2024-03-25 05:14:27	travail101	this reddit thread starts with someone saying the arguments are 60% meme, 20% get off my lawn, and 20% valid technical criticism... with other's piping up that the meme percentage keeps increasing, and I get the feeling it is at the expense of valid technical criticism, so you are left with "meme" and "get off my lawn" :P
2024-03-25 05:14:27	travail101	in any case, what I dug up today makes systemd sound a lot less sinister than stuff I read in the past.
2024-03-25 05:14:30	Scimmia	!isitup wiki.archlinux.org
2024-03-25 05:14:31	phrik	Scimmia: Error: That URL raised <<urlopen error [Errno -5] No address associated with hostname>>
2024-03-25 05:14:44	Scimmia	well hell, I can't remember the command
2024-03-25 05:14:50	Scimmia	but it's up for me
2024-03-25 05:15:25	travail101	well anyway, now that I have networking up on a brand new Arch Install, I need to get jellyfin on there
2024-03-25 05:15:43	edu4rdshl	!give travail101 aw jellyfin
2024-03-25 05:15:44	phrik	travail101: Jellyfin - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Jellyfin
2024-03-25 05:15:58	Scimmia	lol, yep, always read the wiki page
2024-03-25 05:16:12	Scimmia	never used it, so can't help with that
2024-03-25 05:16:33	travail101	but I'm seriously considering switching my laptop from Gentoo to Arch, I'm getting tired of compiling every little update, and Gentoo today is giving me more issues than the Gentoo I knew from 20 years ago
2024-03-25 05:16:40	virtualsid	I do so love the arch wiki. One of the main reasons I thought I'd try it out :)
2024-03-25 05:17:32	travail101	I really enjoyed Funtoo when I tried it, but there just aren't enough packages in the repos and it was too much work to add everything I wanted through overlays and rolling my own
2024-03-25 05:17:39	Scimmia	travail101: that's why I switched. Arch hits the sweet spot for me
2024-03-25 05:17:42	pzerone	running pacman -Qqd | pacman -Rsu --print - returns ca-certificates and ca-certificates-mozilla. This should not happen right? removing those packages will break my internet access right?
2024-03-25 05:18:29	Scimmia	pzerone: yeah, that's not right
2024-03-25 05:18:42	travail101	anyone care to weigh in on jack versus pipewire-jack?
2024-03-25 05:18:58	Scimmia	pzerone: is the base metapackage installed?
2024-03-25 05:19:17	pzerone	yes it is
2024-03-25 05:19:18	edu4rdshl	pzerone, the command is wrong, you're missing a `t`
2024-03-25 05:19:28	pzerone	copied it from the wiki
2024-03-25 05:19:37	Scimmia	edu4rdshl: oh, good point
2024-03-25 05:19:40	edu4rdshl	From where?
2024-03-25 05:19:44	edu4rdshl	Can you link it?
2024-03-25 05:19:46	pzerone	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Detecting_more_unneeded_packages
2024-03-25 05:19:47	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-25 05:20:36	edu4rdshl	That command is printing wrong things here too
2024-03-25 05:20:56	Scimmia	pzerone: again, base?
2024-03-25 05:21:11	pzerone	i do have base and base-devel installed
2024-03-25 05:21:36	pzerone	did that during my installation and did not uninstall
2024-03-25 05:21:59	Scimmia	that command is not one you want to remove everything, you need to read it
2024-03-25 05:22:59	pzerone	i did run into the same situation before and that time, it returned ca-certs-mozilla and i unknowingly removed it. broke my firefox
2024-03-25 05:23:14	edu4rdshl	Just use -Qtqd
2024-03-25 05:23:16	Scimmia	It's a way of detecting issues with circular deps, but it will give a lot of false positives
2024-03-25 05:23:23	edu4rdshl	Yep
2024-03-25 05:23:45	pzerone	Scimmia: It does not say that. It says that sometimes, some uneeded packages are not detected and one have to use this to find them
2024-03-25 05:24:19	edu4rdshl	To find*, which means that you may have to look package to package to see which one you dont need
2024-03-25 05:24:29	edu4rdshl	At least, that's how I interpret it
2024-03-25 05:24:29	pzerone	well, circular deps should not detect a needed package should it?
2024-03-25 05:28:10	edu4rdshl	I mean, the description says that and more things, even a "etc" at the end. So, they may be there, but there's not a direct way to tell pacman "only print X"
2024-03-25 05:28:20	edu4rdshl	You have to read and check them
2024-03-25 05:29:13	pzerone	True, but i feel like their should be a warning tho.. 
2024-03-25 05:29:55	edu4rdshl	Right
2024-03-25 06:14:17	Caspia	Hello good people, today I started getting messages in my terminal saying my filesystem was set to read-only. I noticed my available disk use was 1.6/1.9TB so I deleted some files and restarted. Things seemed fine for a while, but my system froze and crashed, and after looking at my logs I noticed several btrfs warnings and errors. I rebooted to my install medium and ran btrfs check, upon which
2024-03-25 06:14:17	Caspia	I was 
2024-03-25 06:14:23	Caspia	greeted errors informing me that the file system could not be opened: 0x0.st/XsNR.txt Does anybody know what steps I should take at this point? Thanks :) 
2024-03-25 06:18:09	edu4rdshl	caspia, which filesystem?
2024-03-25 06:18:15	edu4rdshl	Ah, btrfs
2024-03-25 06:18:32	edu4rdshl	Free some space (like cleaning the pacman cache) and run a balance
2024-03-25 06:19:24	mpan	I support NetSysFire’s assessment, but also note that it may be as simple as a SATA cable getting loose.
2024-03-25 06:19:45	Caspia	The file system is two 1tb m.2 ssds 
2024-03-25 06:19:57	Caspia	I am working on the smart numbers atm... 
2024-03-25 06:20:22	edu4rdshl	caspia, `btrfs device usage /`
2024-03-25 06:21:19	Caspia	Do I need to be running from that drive to do that? Right now I'm booted from my archinstall media. I can mount it and do that though. 
2024-03-25 06:21:48	edu4rdshl	Sure
2024-03-25 06:21:56	Caspia	smartctl says "No Errors Logged" 0x0.st/Xsqs.txt
2024-03-25 06:22:47	edu4rdshl	I didn't read the first log... warning, device 1 is missing sound very bad, indeed
2024-03-25 06:22:59	Caspia	indeed
2024-03-25 06:23:07	edu4rdshl	It looks like a hw issue, as mentioned before, forget what I said tho
2024-03-25 06:23:22	Caspia	Well, I did notice something 
2024-03-25 06:23:43	mpan	!http
2024-03-25 06:23:44	phrik	Please supply the full URL! Some of us are lazy
2024-03-25 06:23:53	mpan	(that is: don’t strip https:// part, thanks)
2024-03-25 06:24:59	Caspia	My file system is two m.2 SSDS, and earlier (before the latest crash) I saw both devices, nvme0n1p1 and nvme0n1p0. but now, when I run lsblk, I only see nvme0n1p1... Not sure if that's a problem or something to do with how it's detected on mount
2024-03-25 06:25:32	Caspia	phrik, mpan, apologies, I am running on terminal with no copy/paste so I'm just manually tpying... I'll include the https:// next time 
2024-03-25 06:25:32	phrik	caspia: Say what?
2024-03-25 06:25:38	phrik	Perhaps true.
2024-03-25 06:26:24	mpan	caspia: what do you mean by “how it’s detected on mount”?
2024-03-25 06:27:01	Caspia	I don't mean anything except "I'm not sure if this is related to my problems, or just a normal way the system works" 
2024-03-25 06:27:58	Caspia	When I try to mount /dev/nvme0n1p1, I get 'wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/nvme0n1p1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.'
2024-03-25 06:28:08	mpan	The mount options should have no relation. We can see that the entire block device is disappearing, which is a common symptom of the physical device literally dropping out.
2024-03-25 06:28:25	Caspia	In dmesg, 'dev 1 uuid is missing' 
2024-03-25 06:28:29	mpan	If you try to mount the broken one or the working one?
2024-03-25 06:28:38	Caspia	mpan I guessed as much but wasn't sure, thank you
2024-03-25 06:28:54	Caspia	mpan I tried to mount the only one I can see which by process of elimination I suppose would be the working one 
2024-03-25 06:29:43	mpan	If the drive and filesystems are not damaged, than this usually indicates mismatch between running kernel and kernel modules on disks after an update. That is: not rebooting after the last update.
2024-03-25 06:30:30	Caspia	I'm reasonably certain the drive and/or filesystem are damaged. My last update was earlier today, and I rebooted immediately after to install two new sticks of ram. I started noticing problems right after that. 
2024-03-25 06:31:05	edu4rdshl	Did the problem happens if you remove those two sticks?
2024-03-25 06:31:09	mpan	↑
2024-03-25 06:32:26	Caspia	I haven't tried that but I can. It seems like a long shot but definitely worth trying. 
2024-03-25 06:33:01	edu4rdshl	The nvme might be failing to be recognized due to the processor being unable to supply all the required PCIe slots, for example
2024-03-25 06:35:10	Caspia42	Can you elaborate on why that would happen (This is me on the phone by the way) I haven't heard of that pcie issue
2024-03-25 06:35:58	virtualsid	some motherboards share PCIe slots with nvme ones, I believe - I'm pretty sure I've got a restriction on one of my boards like that.
2024-03-25 06:36:07	grawity	I haven't heard of RAM consuming a PCIe lane though
2024-03-25 06:36:43	virtualsid	Oh, yeah, d'oh. I've not seen that either :)
2024-03-25 06:36:53	edu4rdshl	Mmm, good point, grawity 
2024-03-25 06:37:15	edu4rdshl	But then it may be due to: unable to power all the devices, incompatibility, etc
2024-03-25 06:37:23	grawity	but by two SSDs you meant nvme0 and nvme1 right?
2024-03-25 06:37:25	virtualsid	I'd definitely try going back to a known good configuration though
2024-03-25 06:37:38	grawity	because "nvme0n1p1 and nvme0n1p0" is just two partitions on one ssd
2024-03-25 06:38:41	Caspia42	grawity yes, got mixed up sorry
2024-03-25 06:39:46	Caspia42	Hm... Does anybody know what do you if your system is frozen in the uefi menu?
2024-03-25 06:40:04	grawity	panic
2024-03-25 06:40:09	Caspia42	I'm getting there
2024-03-25 06:40:53	Caspia42	I don't just want to unceremoniously kill power but I find myself bereft of alternatives
2024-03-25 06:43:24	Caspia	I did not mean to leave the chat. But I assume there's not much I can do at this point except pull the plug
2024-03-25 06:43:37	grawity	it's not going to hurt much
2024-03-25 06:45:11	Caspia	I made it through uefi this time (yay)
2024-03-25 06:45:22	Caspia	I'm going to make some newer backups
2024-03-25 06:45:28	mpan	But if it hangs at this point… I would definitely remove the RAM sticks.
2024-03-25 06:45:40	mpan	Because it sounds like a system stability issue now.
2024-03-25 06:46:27	Caspia	New RAM sticks are currently out we'll see how it goes.
2024-03-25 06:51:24	Caspia	Wow, I'm not getting any more errors. So far so good
2024-03-25 06:51:51	mpan	Work for a few days with no stick and see. :)
2024-03-25 06:53:10	illuminated	why would zram module not be found?
2024-03-25 06:53:17	illuminated	is there something I have to install?
2024-03-25 06:53:39	Caspia	The RAM I added was two sticks of 8gb ddr4. I already have two sticks of the same module which I've had for years. Once I'm done backing up the system I'll put them back in and see if I can reproduce
2024-03-25 06:53:54	illuminated	doing a modprobe zram says that there wasn't a module found in /lib/modules...
2024-03-25 06:54:09	phrik	illuminated: compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2024-03-25 06:54:21	mpan	Caspia: first wait a few days on a system without these RAM sticks to be sure it really si fixed. Chasing a phantom isn’t going to help and I believe you can survive a few more days without the RAM expansion. :)
2024-03-25 06:54:23	grawity	illuminated: probably because you did a -Syu and your /lib/modules has modules for a different kernel now
2024-03-25 06:54:36	grawity	reboot then install kernel-modules-hook for future use
2024-03-25 06:55:10	illuminated	what is the kernal modules hook?
2024-03-25 06:55:15	illuminated	kernel*
2024-03-25 06:56:24	illuminated	ok I see what it's supposed to do.. 
2024-03-25 07:06:13	illuminated	thanks the reboot worked
2024-03-25 07:06:31	virtualsid	the other option is switching the old ram with the new ram. If the problem recurs, then you know it's that ram, Caspia :P
2024-03-25 07:34:18	kulak	I can't seem to get a single file that will setup environment variables for Gnome (wayland).  I do use fish shell and that kills very nicely all "fake" env variables set at shell level.  I use gdm.  I tried: ~/.xsession, ~/.xprofile, ~/.xinitrc, ~/.gnomerc.  all with chmod +x
2024-03-25 07:35:47	akik	kulak: i think there's a new guy in town
2024-03-25 07:36:23	akik	kulak: check if this works for you: ~/.pam_environment
2024-03-25 07:36:46	Dworin	or https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNOME#Configuration
2024-03-25 07:36:48	phrik	Title: GNOME - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-25 07:36:54	kulak	I saw that, but I have not tried it.   ~/.pam_environment  I was not sure.
2024-03-25 07:38:06	kulak	Thank you.  I no longer need it, because in the end it truned out that variable I wanted to set was set by unit file.  I learned that user unit can set export ennvironment variables!  I did not know that.
2024-03-25 07:38:50	kulak	ExecStartPost=/usr/bin/systemctl --user set-environment SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/run/user/1000/gcr/ssh (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
2024-03-25 07:39:41	kulak	The good info gets burried in "old not working" instructions on wiki sometimes.
2024-03-25 07:39:55	akik	internet is so full of expired info :(
2024-03-25 07:40:28	grawity	tbh doing it in ExecStartPost seems slightly unpredictable
2024-03-25 07:40:46	grawity	oh, it's done from the .socket, yeah that should work
2024-03-25 07:40:48	kulak	It turns out instructions https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNOME/Keyring#Setup_gcr  work without any additional effort on user side.  Even 5.2 is not required.
2024-03-25 07:40:50	phrik	Title: GNOME/Keyring - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-25 07:40:53	grawity	but otherwise `man environment.d`
2024-03-25 07:42:06	kulak	well, just wanted to share observations.  time to go
2024-03-25 08:25:29	low-key	how can one set org.freedesktop.appearance.accent-color on hyprland? 
2024-03-25 08:25:58	low-key	using gsettings, the only org.freedesktop key it shows as available is org.freedesktop.ColorHelper
2024-03-25 08:26:22	low-key	I'm assuming that org.freedesktop.appearance.accent-color is what i need to set if i want apps such as localsend to pick it up? 
2024-03-25 08:31:06	Caspia	Hello good people. I was here earlier with a issue with my filesystem. Now I'm having persistant 'out of memory' errors when compressing files to make backups. My computer has 16gb of memory and I'm using the `ouch` program. Does anybody know how to mitigate this? 
2024-03-25 08:47:00	mpan	Caspia: please provide the exact message and when it happens exactly, for what program invocation and at which point.
2024-03-25 08:49:35	Gnana	Hello
2024-03-25 08:50:26	Caspia	mpan http://0x0.st/Xsq0.txt
2024-03-25 08:52:20	mpan	Caspia: looks like ouch is using too much memory, for unknown reasons. There is no reason for it do so, which suggests a bug in the program. Try using compression utilities directly.
2024-03-25 08:53:23	mpan	It tried to allocate 11G of memory.
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2024-03-25 14:01:16	Namarrgon	nij-: it would be better to describe what the goal of this is
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2024-03-25 14:24:38	thoriumserver	is there a package for Canon PIXMA MG2400 series printers?
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2024-03-25 14:24:59	thoriumserver	or at least an install script or anything that can be used to install
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2024-03-25 14:27:34	gromit	thoriumserver: no clue if any of that is useful or trustworthy: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages?O=0&K=MG2400
2024-03-25 14:27:35	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - Packages (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-25 14:28:26	thoriumserver	I'll try the complete
2024-03-25 14:29:47	sangy	I'm back
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2024-03-25 14:38:41	thoriumserver	great.. now how do I add the print/print
2024-03-25 14:38:44	thoriumserver	we
2024-03-25 14:38:45	thoriumserver	er
2024-03-25 14:47:29	thoriumserver	gromit: now how do I add it...
2024-03-25 14:59:44	thoriumserver	back
2024-03-25 15:11:43	Namarrgon	randomly pushing all the buttons is how i administrate cups
2024-03-25 15:11:52	Namarrgon	100% success rate so far
2024-03-25 15:22:15	AiO	:D
2024-03-25 15:32:46	chovy	gromit: thanks
2024-03-25 15:33:14	gromit	chovy: why do you want the mainline kernel tho? Its still a release candidate right now and not fully finished
2024-03-25 15:36:45	akik	aasami_: i wrote a guide on how to build a multi-boot usb stick. are you interested in it?
2024-03-25 15:44:30	aasami_	akik: OF COURSE! :-)
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2024-03-25 15:46:44	akik	aasami_: https://atkdinosaurus.wordpress.com/2024/03/07/how-to-create-a-multi-boot-usb-stick-in-ubuntu/
2024-03-25 15:46:45	phrik	Title: How to create a multi-boot USB stick in Ubuntu? – atkdinosaurus (at atkdinosaurus.wordpress.com)
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2024-03-25 15:47:02	chovy	gromit: audo works in 6.9
2024-03-25 15:47:11	chovy	it sure takes a long time to install
2024-03-25 15:47:15	akik	aasami_: it boots in bios and uefi modes, but the windows stuff only in uefi mode for now
2024-03-25 15:47:37	akik	i couldn't get the syslinux memdisk working
2024-03-25 15:47:56	Namarrgon	chovy: the PKGBUILD is building the kernel from source
2024-03-25 15:48:42	Namarrgon	chovy: what is -j set to in MAKEFLAGS in makepkg.conf?
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2024-03-25 15:53:28	gromit	chovy: the author of the package also has a repository with a prebuilt version of the thing 
2024-03-25 15:53:39	gromit	chovy: ofc its up to you whether you trust them or not
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2024-03-25 15:55:53	aasami_	akik: got it, thinking it over !!!
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2024-03-25 15:57:02	chovy	gromit: what's the package name for the prebuilt image?
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2024-03-25 16:04:26	akik	aasami_: thinking what over?
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2024-03-25 16:10:20	aasami_	akik: How it would fit in my circumstances! :)
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2024-03-25 16:13:25	aasami_	akik: I'll be AFK now, sorry :-(
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2024-03-25 16:19:58	Psi-Jack	Anyone here running with BtrFS and seen any corruption issues in recent times with BtrFS?
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2024-03-25 16:20:36	mpan	!give Psi-Jack  qsay 60084
2024-03-25 16:20:36	phrik	Psi-Jack: <mpan> The test results are: btrfs ate some portions of my pr0n.
2024-03-25 16:20:50	espresso	Psi-Jack: never have, but just checking again
2024-03-25 16:21:01	mpan	Psi-Jack: the much lower number of btrfs quotegrabs in phrik recently indicates the file system is stable now. No breakage encountered.
2024-03-25 16:21:22	Namarrgon	btrfs is now phrik-approved
2024-03-25 16:21:29	Psi-Jack	... Not really useful or relevant. I'm asking for a special reason. Since Linux 6.6 there's been some kind of issues relevant to BtrFS corruption, and on the btrfs mailing list for the past 30 days there's a high number of reports of this.
2024-03-25 16:21:33	Namarrgon	no abnormal corruption here
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2024-03-25 16:22:37	gromit	Psi-Jack: What reports are we talking about? I didn't have a look right now but I only remember weird setups having issues
2024-03-25 16:22:51	Psi-Jack	gromit: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-btrfs/?q=corrupt
2024-03-25 16:22:53	phrik	Title: corrupt - search results (at lore.kernel.org)
2024-03-25 16:23:15	Psi-Jack	gromit: That's what I think, weird setups mostly having issues, like involving LVM, and encryption sometimes.
2024-03-25 16:23:48	gromit	Psi-Jack: yeah setups like this https://lore.kernel.org/linux-btrfs/1cfb237c-5583-44e9-8bad-d91f34e29972@LBSD.net/
2024-03-25 16:23:49	phrik	Title: btrfs ontop of LVM ontop of MD RAID1 supported? - Nigel Kukard (at lore.kernel.org)
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2024-03-25 16:23:56	gromit	But thats just a weird construct IMO
2024-03-25 16:25:04	Psi-Jack	gromit: Yep. That's one of the biggest ones reported by Nigel.
2024-03-25 16:25:39	gromit	Psi-Jack: you say that like there are other ones 🤔
2024-03-25 16:26:01	Psi-Jack	gromit: Well, I'm kinda getting flack from Nigel for recommending people to use BtrFS. :p
2024-03-25 16:26:20	Psi-Jack	I mean, he was bit, HARD, by it.
2024-03-25 16:27:10	gromit	Okay, but what issue do you have? 
2024-03-25 16:27:13	Psi-Jack	I'm just following up a bit more to understand more what people are seeing.
2024-03-25 16:27:33	Psi-Jack	I have... None, I've been trucking along without issue for some time. :)
2024-03-25 16:27:56	Psi-Jack	Am I concerned? Sure. Who wouldn't be if there's a major issue being talked about.
2024-03-25 16:31:18	gromit	Psi-Jack: I mean you can also read https://tavianator.com/2024/btrfs_bug.html for a cool bug 
2024-03-25 16:31:19	phrik	Title: Bug hunting in Btrfs - tavianator.com (at tavianator.com)
2024-03-25 16:32:31	Psi-Jack	Interesting indeed. I like how they visualized it too,.
2024-03-25 16:32:42	Fingel	Big props to the Gnome package maintainers for getting 46 out so fast, impressive!
2024-03-25 16:34:34	akik	Fingel: did they remove some features from it this time?
2024-03-25 16:34:35	gromit	Psi-Jack: but I dont really get what you're about..? Sure there was a bug, but now what 
2024-03-25 16:34:58	Fingel	oooohhh gotteeeemmmm
2024-03-25 16:35:13	Psi-Jack	Like I said. Mostly checking if anyone's been seen hitting it here. That's all I was curious about.
2024-03-25 16:35:35	gromit	Psi-Jack: I dont stack md raid, lvm and btrfs since I only have sane setups 
2024-03-25 16:36:06	Psi-Jack	Yep. That's pretty much how I do mine.. straight block device and btrfs on top of LUKS or straight on top.
2024-03-25 16:36:39	Psi-Jack	That's also how the archinstall does it, too.
2024-03-25 16:37:05	alad	gromit: the AUR mod rfc was merged
2024-03-25 16:37:07	alad	Damn
2024-03-25 16:37:26	gromit	alad: why are you tagging me? :o 
2024-03-25 16:37:31	gromit	alad: but ye it was merged :D 
2024-03-25 16:38:38	alad	I tagged you because you merged it
2024-03-25 16:38:59	alad	actually I thought that gnu/hurd would be merged first
2024-03-25 16:39:03	alad	so I'm pleasantly surprised
2024-03-25 16:44:33	gromit	alad: so when are you applying? ^_^
2024-03-25 16:45:09	alad	how about RIGHT NOW
2024-03-25 16:45:13	alad	\ : D /
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2024-03-25 17:43:28	badsektor	does /boot partition change in size during use?
2024-03-25 17:44:17	Namarrgon	the partition or its contents?
2024-03-25 17:44:37	badsektor	it was like 50mb yesterday and today it is 250mb
2024-03-25 17:44:46	badsektor	the partition is 512 mb
2024-03-25 17:45:03	MacGyver	And what did you do between yesterday and today?
2024-03-25 17:45:06	Namarrgon	the partition shouldn't change its sizes without you doing something to it
2024-03-25 17:45:20	mefistofeles	they probably are referring to the usage/contents
2024-03-25 17:45:20	MacGyver	s/shouldn't/doesn't/
2024-03-25 17:45:38	badsektor	yeah thank you mefistofeles 
2024-03-25 17:45:53	badsektor	you are gifted in the art of decoding incoherence :)
2024-03-25 17:46:13	badsektor	which proves your not on the spectrum you know
2024-03-25 17:46:30	MacGyver	Did you install kernels, out-of-tree kernel modules, graphics drivers, or run updates for any of such things?
2024-03-25 17:46:56	badsektor	MacGyver: new kernel yesterday's update right? that must be it
2024-03-25 17:47:17	badsektor	so what was the kernel version when you guys first got into linux?
2024-03-25 17:47:26	Namarrgon	that's it?
2024-03-25 17:47:33	mefistofeles	is it just me or this /boot situation with the initramfs image sizes is getting out of control?
2024-03-25 17:47:36	badsektor	Namarrgon: yeah
2024-03-25 17:47:38	MacGyver	Likely; that being said, inflating by 200 MiB is indicative of something silly going on.
2024-03-25 17:47:57	MacGyver	mefistofeles: It got out of control ages ago and we got the wiki changed because of that.
2024-03-25 17:48:11	badsektor	fallback img along is 125 mb
2024-03-25 17:48:17	mefistofeles	MacGyver: hmm I see, but this last month I've probably seen 4-5 users complaining about it (including myself)
2024-03-25 17:48:41	mefistofeles	well, not really complaining, but you know
2024-03-25 17:48:43	Namarrgon	the recent addition of the kms hook bloated the fallback up by quite a bit
2024-03-25 17:49:01	MacGyver	I recall there was some recent discussion about a bug or somesuch inflating the image.
2024-03-25 17:49:06	mefistofeles	Namarrgon: yeah, I guess it's related to that
2024-03-25 17:49:08	Namarrgon	but apart from that the kernel has steadily increased in size
2024-03-25 17:49:12	mefistofeles	even though I don't use that hook
2024-03-25 17:49:12	MacGyver	More recent than the KMS hook, that is.
2024-03-25 17:49:24	mefistofeles	I guess I was in the limit already and didn't realize, and it just grew a little bit
2024-03-25 17:49:25	Namarrgon	the symlink thing?
2024-03-25 17:49:36	Namarrgon	i think  that was mitigated, at least partially
2024-03-25 17:49:36	MacGyver	Maybe?
2024-03-25 17:50:00	MacGyver	But did that mitigation make it to badsektor's mirror yet?
2024-03-25 17:50:23	Namarrgon	it's been a month or so and badsektor's system is probably younger
2024-03-25 17:50:30	MacGyver	badsektor: Did you install *additional* kernels?
2024-03-25 17:50:56	MacGyver	badsektor: Or do you have versioned kernels?
2024-03-25 17:51:31	badsektor	MacGyver: no, just did a regular -Syyu updatre
2024-03-25 17:51:52	badsektor	Namarrgon: yeah just a few days
2024-03-25 17:52:10	ZLima12	badsektor: You shouldn't use two y's unless you have a reason to
2024-03-25 17:52:22	badsektor	didnt know that
2024-03-25 17:52:32	ZLima12	just -Syu is normal
2024-03-25 17:52:47	badsektor	alright
2024-03-25 17:53:22	MacGyver	badsektor: Can you pastebin the output of `tree -h /boot` or `ls -lhaR /boot`
2024-03-25 17:53:51	badsektor	sure
2024-03-25 17:53:51	MacGyver	!give badsektor paste
2024-03-25 17:53:52	phrik	badsektor: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-03-25 17:54:16	MacGyver	Argh, I should default to !rs.
2024-03-25 17:55:04	demonicmaniac1	wait wat 125mb fallback image is way too big
2024-03-25 17:56:42	MacGyver	demonicmaniac1: Not really.
2024-03-25 17:56:52	badsektor	https://bpa.st/R2GQ  <-- ls -lhaR /boot
2024-03-25 17:56:54	phrik	Title: View paste R2GQ (at bpa.st)
2024-03-25 17:56:59	MacGyver	It's the *fallback* image, it has the kitchen sink.
2024-03-25 17:57:46	MacGyver	However, a 93M *regular* image, *that* is possibly unreasonably inflated.
2024-03-25 17:58:10	MacGyver	I have the KMS hook on an AMDGPU system though, I think on Nvidia systems it's bigger?
2024-03-25 17:58:34	demonicmaniac1	i got 11 and 39 without kms hook but btrfs root so btrfs module and /usr/bin/btrfs in the initrds
2024-03-25 17:58:59	MacGyver	Still, how did it inflate from 50 to 250.
2024-03-25 17:59:20	Namarrgon	which packages were updated?
2024-03-25 17:59:54	Namarrgon	what generates the time-stamped systemd-boot entries?
2024-03-25 18:01:03	Scimmia	For both images with nvidia and early kms, 250 isn't outrageous
2024-03-25 18:01:41	MacGyver	I'm inclined to think that the previous image was built while still in the live environment and for some reason didn't pick up the Nvidia modules.
2024-03-25 18:01:51	MacGyver	I don't quite know how that works.
2024-03-25 18:02:09	mefistofeles	I remember when the FULL kernel was ~20MB
2024-03-25 18:02:12	MacGyver	But that might explain the increase.
2024-03-25 18:02:27	MacGyver	I really, *really* don't care.
2024-03-25 18:02:31	demonicmaniac1	could always just mkinitcpio with kms hook removed to compare
2024-03-25 18:02:34	MacGyver	Space is cheap.
2024-03-25 18:02:34	Scimmia	I don't buy that it was ever 50, they said 'like 50mb'
2024-03-25 18:03:04	Scimmia	they don't actually know what it was and are guessing from memory
2024-03-25 18:03:11	MacGyver	The only thing I care about is this tripping people up because they sized their /boot with old expectations.
2024-03-25 18:03:15	demonicmaniac1	my boot is 63mb here total so sounds fine without kms
2024-03-25 18:03:16	MacGyver	Scimmia: Maybe.
2024-03-25 18:04:15	badsektor	MacGyver: actually i was worried i got hax0red
2024-03-25 18:04:48	MacGyver	mefistofeles: By which I mean, the time you remember is also the time very little hardware variation existed, even less was supported by Linux, GPUs could barely run Doom, who cares that everything used to fit on a floppy.
2024-03-25 18:05:04	MacGyver	It's not relevan.t
2024-03-25 18:05:17	mefistofeles	MacGyver: yeah, I just wanted to point that out, things change a lot :) 
2024-03-25 18:05:22	demonicmaniac1	you can also always not build the fallback
2024-03-25 18:05:34	badsektor	speakling of Doom, if you try to play that now you will get vertigo
2024-03-25 18:05:35	MacGyver	It still fits for now -- I wouldn't *not* build the fallback.
2024-03-25 18:05:52	mefistofeles	at the time I bet the GPU drivers where not big chunks of the kernel, today GPU drivers I think are the largest part
2024-03-25 18:05:53	MacGyver	But you might want to see whether the system works as expected if you remove the KMS-hook.
2024-03-25 18:05:56	mefistofeles	especially the AMD one
2024-03-25 18:06:01	mefistofeles	s/where/were
2024-03-25 18:06:14	badsektor	MacGyver: i can try that
2024-03-25 18:06:31	mefistofeles	I stopped building the fallback :/ 
2024-03-25 18:06:38	mefistofeles	for this reason, that was my workaround
2024-03-25 18:06:50	MacGyver	I stopped building the fallback for all-but-one kernel.
2024-03-25 18:06:52	Scimmia	badsektor: are you actually using nvidia?
2024-03-25 18:07:00	badsektor	HOOKS=(base udev autodetect keyboard keymap modconf consolefont block filesystems fsck)
2024-03-25 18:07:05	badsektor	i already dont have it it seems
2024-03-25 18:07:06	mefistofeles	MacGyver: oh wait, yeah, maybe I'm still building it for one, let me double check
2024-03-25 18:07:09	badsektor	Scimmia: yes
2024-03-25 18:07:18	Scimmia	badsektor: it is in the modules array?
2024-03-25 18:07:29	badsektor	MODULES=(nvidia nvidia_modeset nvidia_uvm nvidia_drm)
2024-03-25 18:07:30	mefistofeles	MacGyver: yeah, I'm still building it for one
2024-03-25 18:07:41	Scimmia	then yep, everything checks out
2024-03-25 18:08:11	badsektor	i will remove them and try
2024-03-25 18:08:13	MacGyver	mefistofeles: Yeah, and since badsektor only has one kernel installed... :P
2024-03-25 18:08:23	MacGyver	I'd leave the fallback around, just in case.
2024-03-25 18:08:24	mefistofeles	MacGyver: yeah
2024-03-25 18:08:29	badsektor	meanwhile "consolefont" doesnt do anything
2024-03-25 18:08:47	badsektor	it actually kills your ttys
2024-03-25 18:08:54	mefistofeles	gotta collect all of them hooks!
2024-03-25 18:09:17	badsektor	yeah i thought it would just give me a nice console font 
2024-03-25 18:09:49	badsektor	yeah /boot shrunk in size
2024-03-25 18:10:11	mefistofeles	s/usage/size
2024-03-25 18:10:12	mefistofeles	:P
2024-03-25 18:10:21	badsektor	right :D
2024-03-25 18:11:16	demonicmaniac1	mefistofeles: MacGyver: if you want a nice tracker of size explosion just look at linux-firmware over the years :D
2024-03-25 18:11:53	mefistofeles	demonicmaniac1: I remember linux-firmware not even being a thing
2024-03-25 18:12:02	mefistofeles	can't remember exactly when that happened
2024-03-25 18:12:24	demonicmaniac1	essentially because firmware got way too big
2024-03-25 18:12:33	⚡ 	jelle looks at nvidia
2024-03-25 18:12:52	mefistofeles	oh so it was part of the linux package before?
2024-03-25 18:12:59	mefistofeles	wow, that's a power law growth
2024-03-25 18:14:41	demonicmaniac1	especially if you look at all firmware. thankfully arch split it in like 22? or something
2024-03-25 18:14:44	jelle	cuda is also fun that it requires a separate compile per generation /o\
2024-03-25 18:15:01	demonicmaniac1	was like 800mb for linux-firmware before more obsucre stuff got split out
2024-03-25 18:15:12	mefistofeles	yeah :/ when I started with CUDA, it was maybe ~150MB or so
2024-03-25 18:15:20	mefistofeles	now it's like 2GB I think
2024-03-25 18:15:41	HuntsMan	mefistofeles: 4 GB at least
2024-03-25 18:15:43	HuntsMan	:D
2024-03-25 18:15:52	mefistofeles	yeah I guess it depends if you add the tools\
2024-03-25 18:15:53	mefistofeles	but yeahj
2024-03-25 18:16:05	demonicmaniac1	cuda alone is 5gb actually
2024-03-25 18:16:10	mefistofeles	lol
2024-03-25 18:16:21	demonicmaniac1	that's without tools or cudnn or anything
2024-03-25 18:16:28	demonicmaniac1	full cuda suite is more on the 15gb 
2024-03-25 18:17:09	jelle	and still can't keep up with gcc
2024-03-25 18:26:13	chovy	how long does linux-mainline take to compile on an i9?
2024-03-25 18:26:41	MacGyver	Not long.
2024-03-25 18:26:47	MacGyver	But it's been a while since I had to.
2024-03-25 18:26:59	Namarrgon	are you building with a single make job?
2024-03-25 18:27:09	MacGyver	Something between 20 and 40 minutes on an i9-10940x.
2024-03-25 18:27:23	MacGyver	May have been less.
2024-03-25 18:27:41	MacGyver	Godsend when bisecting the kernel.
2024-03-25 18:28:09	chovy	Namarrgon: i don't know. i just did `yay -S linux-mainline`
2024-03-25 18:28:31	Namarrgon	you ignored me when i asked about MAKEFLAGS earlier
2024-03-25 18:28:37	chovy	its been going for about 30 minutes so far
2024-03-25 18:28:45	MacGyver	Oh wait, that's not right.
2024-03-25 18:28:47	chovy	Namarrgon: yeah i don't know what you mean
2024-03-25 18:28:58	MacGyver	Those times were on my *previous* CPU, an i7-5820k.
2024-03-25 18:29:05	MacGyver	So on an i9-10940x it should be mere minutes.
2024-03-25 18:29:12	Namarrgon	chovy: which part of the question confuses you?
2024-03-25 18:29:55	chovy	#MAKEFLAGS="-j2"
2024-03-25 18:30:21	Namarrgon	how many cores does the box have?
2024-03-25 18:30:54	chovy	19 i think
2024-03-25 18:30:55	chovy	i9-13900H
2024-03-25 18:31:10	Namarrgon	then you might want to increase the number of parallel jobs to something larger than one
2024-03-25 18:31:37	MacGyver	6 performance cores with HT + 8 efficiency cores.
2024-03-25 18:31:53	MacGyver	(Which don't do HT, iirc)
2024-03-25 18:32:05	Namarrgon	they don't
2024-03-25 18:32:07	MacGyver	Probably want -j12 or higher.
2024-03-25 18:33:17	MacGyver	If it were me I'd just -j20 and go make a cup of coffee.
2024-03-25 18:34:29	demonicmaniac1	also consider how much ram you have especially if you don't just build the kernel but c++ stuff too
2024-03-25 18:35:25	chovy	i have 64gb of ram
2024-03-25 18:36:15	akik	i have 8
2024-03-25 18:36:26	MacGyver	Y'know, I should *try* compiling the kernel on the 10940x.
2024-03-25 18:36:35	MacGyver	Just for shits & giggles.
2024-03-25 18:36:40	MacGyver	-j28 let's goooo.
2024-03-25 18:49:22	MacGyver	If you're happy and you know it split the net.
2024-03-25 18:52:01	mefistofeles	MacGyver: lol
2024-03-25 18:55:21	Namarrgon	i didn't run out of ram, i ran out of disk space
2024-03-25 18:56:26	mefistofeles	we probably missed some context there :P 
2024-03-25 18:56:33	toprak	hello do you guys have alternative for adobe audition
2024-03-25 18:56:44	toprak	i want to use reliable spectogram
2024-03-25 18:57:26	mefistofeles	audacity probably does that
2024-03-25 18:57:30	mefistofeles	toprak: ↑
2024-03-25 18:58:10	elrohir	how can I force pacman to install packages even if they are older than the already installed packages?
2024-03-25 18:58:12	toprak	thank you
2024-03-25 18:58:28	MacGyver	!give elrohir partial
2024-03-25 18:58:29	phrik	elrohir: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/System_maintenance#Partial_upgrades_are_unsupported -- For how to fix, see: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/General_troubleshooting#Fixing_a_broken_system
2024-03-25 18:59:07	MacGyver	elrohir: That being said, -U should do the trick.
2024-03-25 18:59:22	MacGyver	elrohir: But if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces.
2024-03-25 18:59:59	MacGyver	elrohir: Read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Downgrading_packages , in particular the friendly red section.
2024-03-25 19:00:00	phrik	Title: Downgrading packages - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-25 19:00:39	elrohir	MacGyver, so pacman -SUyu
2024-03-25 19:00:43	MacGyver	No.
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2024-03-25 19:00:56	MacGyver	And the fact that that is the conclusion you draw tells me you should *really* read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Downgrading_packages first.
2024-03-25 19:00:58	phrik	Title: Downgrading packages - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-25 19:01:40	gromit	elrohir: what are you trying to do? 
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2024-03-25 19:03:56	elrohir	gromit, I'm trying to stop the evil penguin from stealing the diamond from the city museum!
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2024-03-25 19:05:31	gromit	elrohir: c'mon I
2024-03-25 19:05:38	gromit	m just trying to help
2024-03-25 19:06:32	MacGyver	elrohir: I'm only giving you the cannon to shoot your foot off, the others are actually actively trying to make sure you keep all your limbs.
2024-03-25 19:06:44	MacGyver	elrohir: It might be useful to answer their questions.
2024-03-25 19:07:36	⚡ 	mingdao sends lawyers, guns, and money to get elrohir out of this mess
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2024-03-25 19:11:01	gromit	!shrug
2024-03-25 19:11:02	phrik	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2024-03-25 19:11:26	mefistofeles	!next
2024-03-25 19:11:27	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2024-03-25 19:13:45	m15k	Hi. Can I tell pacman to downgrad all packages of a meta package?
2024-03-25 19:14:44	m15k	Like gnome.
2024-03-25 19:14:52	MacGyver	That's the second downgrade-question in a row.
2024-03-25 19:15:02	MacGyver	Which large project fucked up recently?
2024-03-25 19:15:16	Scimmia	there was a major gnome update, of course
2024-03-25 19:15:35	mefistofeles	that's actually a fair question, is there a way?
2024-03-25 19:15:36	MacGyver	Oh and that's the one where a downgrade won't work because packages shifted around, right?
2024-03-25 19:15:57	teraflops	gnome is a package group not a meta package
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2024-03-25 19:17:32	m15k	teraflops: Maybe that's the reason I could not find anything useful ^^
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2024-03-25 19:19:34	MacGyver	m15k: You can't sensibly downgrade gnome on Arch.
2024-03-25 19:19:42	MacGyver	We could have a long discussion about why.
2024-03-25 19:19:49	novns	atm, downgrading mutter and (by dependency) gnome-shell helps
2024-03-25 19:20:11	MacGyver	Bottom line is you probably shouldn't but if you do, you'll have to be selective.
2024-03-25 19:20:18	teraflops	m15k: not a great idea, if gnome is not what you expect just use something else
2024-03-25 19:20:23	novns	VTE terminals work again at least
2024-03-25 19:20:58	gromit	m15k the only real option you have is to restore package to a certain date as per https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux_Archive#How_to_restore_all_packages_to_a_specific_date
2024-03-25 19:20:59	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Archive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-25 19:21:09	Codebecile	You *could* downgrade, but you'd be more likely to break your system than anything else. You'll most definitely run into incompatability, too.
2024-03-25 19:21:22	gromit	Manual downgrading will break everything 
2024-03-25 19:21:24	m15k	gromit: Already trying to go that route
2024-03-25 19:21:26	novns	it happens mostly with nvidia blob driver and gnome Xorg session
2024-03-25 19:21:27	MacGyver	gromit: In this *particular* case: no, probably not, because packages shifted around.
2024-03-25 19:21:36	gromit	MacGyver: ...? 
2024-03-25 19:21:45	gromit	m15k: whats actually broken? 
2024-03-25 19:22:04	m15k	gromit: I'm not 100% sure tbh. I'm unable to use openvpn3
2024-03-25 19:22:16	MacGyver	gromit: There was another (argumentative) person trying this recently and they were having trouble dealing with them not being the same packages. You can't simply restore to that date. You have to actually deal with the packages having been replaced.
2024-03-25 19:22:28	gromit	m15k: yeah then first investigatethe issue properly before wildly downgrading stuff around
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2024-03-25 19:23:13	MacGyver	!wtf openvpn3
2024-03-25 19:23:14	phrik	MacGyver: What the hell is openvpn3?
2024-03-25 19:23:15	gromit	MacGyver: yeah sure, but atleast this ensures that the packageset that you have is not totally borked 
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2024-03-25 19:23:36	gromit	(compared to manually downgrading things) 
2024-03-25 19:23:41	MacGyver	m15k: Have you actually rebuilt openvpn3 yet?
2024-03-25 19:23:41	novns	gromit, new gnome update introduced problems with lagging VTE things, and some other weird problems 
2024-03-25 19:23:48	gromit	Its still terrible ofc ^^
2024-03-25 19:23:54	◥	fspax (~fspax@185.244.48.254) has joined #archlinux
2024-03-25 19:24:08	MacGyver	m15k: Since that's not something we ship.
2024-03-25 19:24:09	novns	it takes about 2 seconds of latency in gnome-terminal
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2024-03-25 19:24:28	novns	and it's really unusable
2024-03-25 19:25:22	novns	and lesser latency in hexchat too for example
2024-03-25 19:25:37	novns	still noticeable
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2024-03-25 19:26:11	Codebecile	Psi-Jack: Could make so many jokes here, but I digress.
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2024-03-25 19:27:43	Codebecile	Psi-Jack: ""Natural sorting" detects numbers in file names and uses numerical sorting on this part of the filenames, therefore 010.txt and 10.txt come after 4.txt (10 > 4).1 < 2 < 10, so mov001 and mov01A come before mov002 and mov010.0 < 1 < 10, therefore _0mov00A < _1mov00A < _010.txt"
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2024-03-25 19:29:21	Codebecile	I'm fairly sure it's just lexicographical ordering
2024-03-25 19:29:22	Codebecile	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexicographic_order
2024-03-25 19:29:23	phrik	Title: Lexicographic order - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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2024-03-25 19:31:33	RealFloridaMan	did a full system update, now OpenVMware doesnt work anymore
2024-03-25 19:31:52	RealFloridaMan	probably is related to kde 6?
2024-03-25 19:32:02	Codebecile	OpenVMWare?
2024-03-25 19:32:04	Codebecile	at's a first.
2024-03-25 19:32:36	RealFloridaMan	Open-VM-Tools = 
2024-03-25 19:32:40	RealFloridaMan	vmware
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2024-03-25 19:32:54	RealFloridaMan	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VMware/Install_Arch_Linux_as_a_guest#Open-VM-Tools
2024-03-25 19:32:55	phrik	Title: VMware/Install Arch Linux as a guest - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-25 19:33:02	lpv	guys am I doing something wrong here? https://0x0.st/XsM8.png
2024-03-25 19:33:06	RealFloridaMan	so, what can I do?
2024-03-25 19:33:18	Codebecile	Aaaah. Yes, open-VM-tools. 
2024-03-25 19:33:30	Codebecile	Have you tried starting it from a terminal and seeing what's happening/
2024-03-25 19:33:51	Codebecile	usually running programs from a termnal allows themt o display their errors, etc.
2024-03-25 19:33:56	RealFloridaMan	checked if the services are running
2024-03-25 19:34:00	RealFloridaMan	everything seems fine
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2024-03-25 19:39:07	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1428 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1427 regular)
2024-03-25 19:34:32	RealFloridaMan	reintalled Open-VM-Tools and even gtkmm3, nothing
2024-03-25 19:34:55	Codebecile	RealFloridaMan: Tried starting it from a terminal?
2024-03-25 19:35:09	RealFloridaMan	yea
2024-03-25 19:35:15	RealFloridaMan	give me a sec, Im booting
2024-03-25 19:35:36	Namarrgon	lpv: remove the unofficial pamac stuff, update, then consider rebuilding/reinstalling the unofficial pamac stuff again
2024-03-25 19:35:53	RealFloridaMan	I did run : vmtoolsd -n vmusr and give me an error
2024-03-25 19:36:02	RealFloridaMan	give me a second, still booting
2024-03-25 19:38:05	Codebecile	What's the error
2024-03-25 19:38:25	RealFloridaMan	getting better and better
2024-03-25 19:38:29	RealFloridaMan	now it freezed
2024-03-25 19:38:51	RealFloridaMan	full frozen
2024-03-25 19:39:07	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-25 19:39:54	Codebecile	No, like... W hat's the actual error message you see?
2024-03-25 19:40:11	RealFloridaMan	rebooted, black screen. one of the cores is 100%
2024-03-25 19:40:22	RealFloridaMan	I cant get into the os Codebecile
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2024-03-25 19:41:15	Codebecile	So your actual system wont boot? How long did you wait between updates
2024-03-25 19:41:36	RealFloridaMan	a couple of weeks
2024-03-25 19:41:59	RealFloridaMan	it boots, shows the GUI and then frozes black
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2024-03-25 19:43:46	Codebecile	mmmh. Maybe this is the place for someone with more arch-fu than me to step in and help you out.
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2024-03-25 19:44:59	RealFloridaMan	taken  out the accelerate 3d graphics
2024-03-25 19:45:04	RealFloridaMan	still black
2024-03-25 19:45:21	lpv	Namarrgon many thanks!
2024-03-25 19:45:46	RealFloridaMan	Im almost sure has something to do with this new version of kde
2024-03-25 19:45:49	Codebecile	Psi-Jack: If you use KDE, I've had issues with it unbinding keybinds when I install certain software. Maybe check there first?
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2024-03-25 19:46:41	Codebecile	RealFloridaMan: My upgrade to Plasma 6 was really messy at first. I'd get an arch installer, chroot in, get your data / config off, and then reinstall tbh. Though maybe someone else has better advice then I do?
2024-03-25 19:46:43	RealFloridaMan	there, take back in the acceleration and now Im in
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2024-03-25 19:47:17	Codebecile	Psi-Jack: I assume you've done the IT step of "try turning it off and back on again?"
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2024-03-25 19:48:25	RealFloridaMan	vmtoolsd -n vmusr, this is the 'error' : Gtk-WARNING** : gtk_disable_setlocale() must be called before gtk_init()
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2024-03-25 19:50:13	Codebecile	RealFloridaMan: Try LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 (then your command after that.)
2024-03-25 19:50:31	Codebecile	Psi-Jack: Ahahah. KDE is like that sometimes. Happens to the best of us.
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2024-03-25 19:52:50	RealFloridaMan	I did that, a long time ago, before asking something in here.
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2024-03-25 19:55:47	RealFloridaMan	the good thing here is, Im not running in real
2024-03-25 19:55:55	RealFloridaMan	this could be a really pain in the ass
2024-03-25 19:57:23	RealFloridaMan	of course but this is related to the latest update
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2024-03-25 19:58:05	RealFloridaMan	if Im looking to reinstall a whole OS cause one issue, I'd windows
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2024-03-25 19:59:57	edu4rdshl	I'm getting "Could not initialize OpenGL support" on totem, anyone else experiencing that problem?
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2024-03-25 20:02:13	topcat001	I ran across a possible regression in ath10k wifi. I'm documenting it here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=294227
2024-03-25 20:02:14	phrik	Title: Qualcomm QCA6174 WiFi firmware crashing / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-25 20:03:45	topcat001	I needed the machine for some work. Fortunately, I was able to work around it by using older versions for the moment.
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2024-03-25 20:04:57	RealFloridaMan	oh... nice, they screw even the audio driver
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2024-03-25 20:05:38	RealFloridaMan	that frozen issue was due that....
2024-03-25 20:05:39	RealFloridaMan	great
2024-03-25 20:05:54	RealFloridaMan	Im on lts
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2024-03-25 20:06:23	RealFloridaMan	I was tired to update the kernel every two hours
2024-03-25 20:06:51	⚡ 	mefistofeles uses `linux` and doesn't upgrade every two hours
2024-03-25 20:07:46	mefistofeles	Psi-Jack: what's the lqx part?
2024-03-25 20:07:50	⚡ 	edu4rdshl uses windows and don't update every 2 hours
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2024-03-25 20:09:45	teraflops	edu4rdshl: totem wayland nvidia?
2024-03-25 20:10:01	mefistofeles	Psi-Jack: I see, ok
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2024-03-25 20:10:15	edu4rdshl	teraflops, yeh
2024-03-25 20:10:23	teraflops	let me check
2024-03-25 20:10:29	edu4rdshl	Nothing when running from terminal, nothing in the journal
2024-03-25 20:10:31	edu4rdshl	Weird
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2024-03-25 20:14:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-25 20:14:04	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1430 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1429 regular)
2024-03-25 20:11:35	mefistofeles	Psi-Jack: I see, I've never tried linux-zen... maybe some day :P 
2024-03-25 20:11:45	RandomUsr	looking for a wallet. Any recommendations? which is secure?
2024-03-25 20:12:40	RandomUsr	ahem...
2024-03-25 20:12:50	mefistofeles	Psi-Jack: I guess I haven't seen the need myself
2024-03-25 20:13:03	RandomUsr	lol
2024-03-25 20:13:24	RandomUsr	should I just pick one from the official repos?
2024-03-25 20:13:26	astralc	ridge have lot of YT promotions
2024-03-25 20:14:04	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-25 20:14:15	mefistofeles	Psi-Jack: Interesting, the power management sounds like something I'd want, I get crappy battery life with Linux on this machine
2024-03-25 20:14:24	mefistofeles	but I doubt linux-zen will provide that :P 
2024-03-25 20:14:30	RandomUsr	Psi-Jack: har har....
2024-03-25 20:14:39	mefistofeles	Intel
2024-03-25 20:15:02	RealFloridaMan	seems like my old friend from 2022 was defeted by this kde 6...
2024-03-25 20:15:05	RealFloridaMan	come on
2024-03-25 20:15:08	mefistofeles	Psi-Jack: yeah, that's my guess as well
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2024-03-25 20:15:11	teraflops	edu4rdshl: yeah same error here
2024-03-25 20:15:43	edu4rdshl	teraflops, the flatpak version does work fine. Let me open an issue tho
2024-03-25 20:15:47	edu4rdshl	Thanks for checking
2024-03-25 20:16:01	teraflops	https://paste.priet.us/screenshot_2024-03-25-20-15-53.png
2024-03-25 20:16:08	RandomUsr	Psi-Jack: indeed.....
2024-03-25 20:16:14	edu4rdshl	Yep, teraflops. Same
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2024-03-25 20:21:39	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-25 20:21:39	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1429 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1428 regular)
2024-03-25 20:18:06	demonicmaniac1	Psi-Jack: honestly for amd you just do ryzenadj --power-save on top of powertop --auto-tune pretty much there's not really anything else oyu can get out of it - and anything playing with higher hz or X/wayland higher hz is detrimental to powersaving anyways
2024-03-25 20:18:27	demonicmaniac1	i remember when lqx defaulted to giving x higher priority for smoothness :P
2024-03-25 20:19:10	demonicmaniac1	mind you that was a decade ago or so :D
2024-03-25 20:19:44	demonicmaniac1	some silly stuff offered 10000hz for scheduling and x priority for zomg smoothness, throughput ofc went down by like 50%
2024-03-25 20:20:44	demonicmaniac1	mefistofeles: your best bet is to just limit the turbo on modern intels - the old adage of turbo to reach deeper sleep states sort of went out the window when intel/amd pushed for maximum frequency at insane power on laptops as well
2024-03-25 20:21:16	mefistofeles	demonicmaniac1: I think it's related to the discrete GPU running all the time, and I'm not even using it for display/rendering
2024-03-25 20:21:22	mefistofeles	but not really sure how to disable that or manage that
2024-03-25 20:21:28	demonicmaniac1	you still want some turbo for faster sleep states but when 4ghz uses 4x the power of 3ghz it's not really saving much anymore
2024-03-25 20:21:39	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-03-25 20:21:53	mefistofeles	even if I lower the frequency, I don't get that much more life out of the battery
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2024-03-25 20:22:19	mefistofeles	powertop hasn't been very helpful, it does tell the power usage, but not very helpful as to the cause
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2024-03-25 20:23:14	demonicmaniac1	mefistofeles: is your display wired to the intel or the discrete?
2024-03-25 20:23:45	demonicmaniac1	gamer crap often has display wired to the nvidia disabling igp for gsync to work and shit
2024-03-25 20:23:56	mefistofeles	demonicmaniac1: intel
2024-03-25 20:24:10	RandomUsr	looking for a wallet for btc/ethereum that's stored offline. what could you recommend?
2024-03-25 20:24:11	demonicmaniac1	otherwise i think with turing? or so nvidia official driver supposedly added support for powering off the discrete
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2024-03-25 20:24:52	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1431 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1430 regular)
2024-03-25 20:24:34	mefistofeles	demonicmaniac1: yeah, I think there may be ways of doing that, I just don't know how... 
2024-03-25 20:24:42	mefistofeles	also haven't devoted TOO much time into it
2024-03-25 20:24:52	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-25 20:26:56	demonicmaniac1	mefistofeles: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PRIME#PRIME_render_offload
2024-03-25 20:26:57	phrik	Title: PRIME - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-25 20:27:15	demonicmaniac1	with nvidia installed it should theoretically just work on recent enough nvidia
2024-03-25 20:27:32	mefistofeles	demonicmaniac1: lol, I'm exactly in that same website
2024-03-25 20:27:39	edu4rdshl	teraflops, time to switch to celluloid I think :p
2024-03-25 20:27:40	mefistofeles	demonicmaniac1: that's X11 though, it seems
2024-03-25 20:27:46	teraflops	edu4rdshl: nah use mpv
2024-03-25 20:28:19	teraflops	there is mux switch in newer laptops that lets you to totally disable discrete gpu
2024-03-25 20:28:27	edu4rdshl	teraflops, well, celluloid is a mpv frontend
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2024-03-25 20:32:14	orbita	Not arch specifically, but does anyone here know about writing a weechat plugin ?
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2024-03-25 20:32:58	Distempr	orbita: weechat has 692 users in the channel, did you try there first? :-)
2024-03-25 20:33:11	Distempr	#weechat *
2024-03-25 20:33:32	orbita	oh, of course. sorry!
2024-03-25 20:33:56	Distempr	Not a problem
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2024-03-25 20:39:50	pulec	why is it so difficult to 'refresh' the groups am In after adding myself t ao group?
2024-03-25 20:43:12	mefistofeles	demonicmaniac1: I cannot get less than ~13 W in idle, basically
2024-03-25 20:43:14	orbita	pulec: groups are enumerated at login - there are workarounds if you must!
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2024-03-25 20:43:33	codingkoopa	I'm having a lot of trouble figuring this out: On my NTFS drive (using ntfs-3g with usermapping), I have a directory named `.stfolder` which is not showing up in `ls -la`, but I *am* able to `ls .stfolder` and `stat .stfolder`. If I `touch .stfolder`, then it suddenly shows up in my file manager *until* I press F5.
2024-03-25 20:43:48	mefistofeles	demonicmaniac1: all CPU cores at the minimum freq (400 MHz)
2024-03-25 20:43:58	codingkoopa	I know this sounds like a novice question, but I'm struggling to figure it out. The parent directory has mode drwxrwxrwx and nothing seems to have ACLs or anything.
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2024-03-25 20:45:12	pulec	orbita: yeah but those are always tricky, it was time to boot to new kernel anyway
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2024-03-25 20:46:00	colo	better crank up the permission awesomeness to '7777' right away if you are at it, right?
2024-03-25 20:46:11	jelle	colo: Psi-Jack not helpful
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2024-03-25 20:47:34	codingkoopa	"it will fail" i very regularly game on this
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2024-03-25 20:48:02	codingkoopa	i use this to share games between Windows and Linux because some games are huge
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2024-03-25 20:48:36	codingkoopa	i know it's discouraged, but there aren't really other filesystems with the same level of support on Windows
2024-03-25 20:48:43	mefistofeles	codingkoopa: yeha, that's fair
2024-03-25 20:48:51	mefistofeles	codingkoopa: maybe, if you have the chance, a NAS?
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2024-03-25 20:49:50	codingkoopa	"it's failing, now" doesn't that refer to complicated more complicated usage scenarios like running games and not just *checks notes* listing the current directory?
2024-03-25 20:50:35	jelle	Psi-Jack: and I have heard stories of people having it work
2024-03-25 20:52:10	topcat001	mefistofeles: If your nvidia does not support (>=Turing gen) full software power off, then you can just turn it off manually.
2024-03-25 20:52:11	codingkoopa	mefistofeles: i'm mostly writing code and running games off the drive. there *is* some media too (which would be a good application for the drive), but it's in the minority
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2024-03-25 20:52:34	codingkoopa	*for the NAS, not for the drive
2024-03-25 20:53:06	topcat001	I do this for all of my optimus machines. See the code for nvidia-xrun to see how to do it. It's a couple of simple commands.
2024-03-25 20:53:36	mefistofeles	topcat001: ok, how can I do that?
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2024-03-25 20:54:03	topcat001	I already told you :)
2024-03-25 20:54:15	mefistofeles	topcat001: oh, mine is a turing, it seems :P 
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2024-03-25 20:58:36	red_man	hey guys 
2024-03-25 20:59:03	red_man	im having trouble w/i3 and demenu
2024-03-25 20:59:55	red_man	the wiki says i need to install demenu before i3 is this right
2024-03-25 21:00:16	red_man	yes
2024-03-25 21:00:19	Namarrgon	the order doesn't matter
2024-03-25 21:00:27	red_man	ok 
2024-03-25 21:00:54	Namarrgon	which page says to install it before i3?
2024-03-25 21:01:07	red_man	every time i launch dmenu I cant use the termal
2024-03-25 21:01:43	edu4rdshl	red_man, the termal?
2024-03-25 21:01:52	red_man	termanal
2024-03-25 21:01:58	topcat001	mefistofeles: in that case are you able to reach D3Cold in `/sys/class/drm/card1/device/power_state`? Use the right card id for your case.
2024-03-25 21:01:59	red_man	sorry
2024-03-25 21:02:28	red_man	terinal
2024-03-25 21:02:37	topcat001	on my modern precision this reduces system power draw to 3-4 watts
2024-03-25 21:02:40	red_man	terminal
2024-03-25 21:02:53	jelle	Psi-Jack: don't be a jerk
2024-03-25 21:03:02	red_man	its my typing
2024-03-25 21:03:25	mefistofeles	topcat001: let me check, thanks
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2024-03-25 21:03:44	red_man	noworries man
2024-03-25 21:03:51	topcat001	mefistofeles: to be clear for >=Turing you don't need any external package apart from the proprietary drivers (and use igpu only in X/WL)
2024-03-25 21:04:06	jelle	Psi-Jack: this has been a recurring pattern, where you have been rude to people here. Please behave :)
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2024-03-25 21:04:44	red_man	oh thats it then
2024-03-25 21:05:00	red_man	sorry i'll try.
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2024-03-25 21:05:43	Metroid	hey folks, using plasma and if i ssh to a machine, the passphrase for the ssh key isn't asked for, i'm assuming it's saved somewhere, i've disabled ssh-agent user service but no change, is there somewhere else the ssh passphrase would be saved ?
2024-03-25 21:05:47	red_man	psi-jack thankyou.
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2024-03-25 21:06:54	red_man	I am still making dumb mistakes having to relearn everything
2024-03-25 21:07:17	edu4rdshl	Metroid, are you sure that the ssh key does have passhrase?
2024-03-25 21:07:18	mefistofeles	topcat001: wait, so would it be just having `D3Cold` in `/sys/class/drm/card1/device/power_state` ? When I try to change I get permission denied (of course with admin privileges)
2024-03-25 21:07:47	topcat001	I meant read the value to check what state it is in
2024-03-25 21:07:56	codingkoopa	hmm, I think the directory I was struggling with was created by a service acc on Windows, where I have a 2:1 mapping of the service account and Windows user, to the same Linux user. this probably is an ntfs-3g bug/unsupported feature
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2024-03-25 21:08:10	Metroid	yeah because dolphin will still ask for it, it doesn't get asked for in konsole
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2024-03-25 21:08:16	topcat001	D3cold on these newer cards == poweroff
2024-03-25 21:08:23	mefistofeles	topcat001: oh ok, it's D0
2024-03-25 21:08:34	topcat001	there you go then
2024-03-25 21:08:50	topcat001	make sure nothing is using the nvidia (nvidia-smi?)
2024-03-25 21:09:20	topcat001	I usually find it simpler to just turn off the dgpu baggage (which I never use)
2024-03-25 21:09:25	mefistofeles	topcat001: there's an Xorg running on it, as far as I can tell 
2024-03-25 21:09:31	mefistofeles	not sure why there's always an Xorg running there
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2024-03-25 21:10:10	topcat001	it really depends on your setup - do you have any xorg.conf?
2024-03-25 21:11:01	mefistofeles	topcat001: no, and I'm not even using X11 for my desktop
2024-03-25 21:11:13	topcat001	huh? Wayland?
2024-03-25 21:11:16	mefistofeles	yes
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2024-03-25 21:11:44	Metroid	ah think i found it edu4rdshl , i've been using ksshaskpass, which uses kwallet
2024-03-25 21:11:45	topcat001	I am not the best person to ask about wayland; I'm just starting to use it experimentally :)
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2024-03-25 21:12:04	edu4rdshl	Metroid, :)
2024-03-25 21:12:05	mefistofeles	topcat001: to be fair, that was happening when I was using X11 as well
2024-03-25 21:12:11	Metroid	though i dont have kwallet listed in applications
2024-03-25 21:12:16	Metroid	it is installed
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2024-03-25 21:12:31	topcat001	mefistofeles: the totally sure way for nvidia-muxless laptops is to use nvidia-xrun to automatically power the dgpu off at boot
2024-03-25 21:12:35	mefistofeles	topcat001: but how would I go about changing it? Assuming there's nothing running on the card
2024-03-25 21:12:59	topcat001	once it's turned off then nothing will see or use it
2024-03-25 21:13:20	topcat001	I use this method because I have both old and new hardware and it works for both 
2024-03-25 21:14:11	mefistofeles	hmm ok
2024-03-25 21:14:16	mefistofeles	I may try that
2024-03-25 21:14:19	mefistofeles	topcat001: thanks
2024-03-25 21:14:21	topcat001	to be clear, you don't really need to run nvidia-xrun; it just has all the commands in a convenient package
2024-03-25 21:14:58	jclsn	Can't run appimages anymore although fuse2 and fuse3 are installed
2024-03-25 21:15:03	topcat001	in this setup, if you ever need to use the card, say for cuda, you can power it back on on the fly
2024-03-25 21:15:34	topcat001	only if you want to run the display on it will you have to restart your session (but still not the computer)
2024-03-25 21:15:39	Metroid	edu4rdshl installed kwalletmanager and all good, lists the key under ksshaskpass 
2024-03-25 21:16:07	topcat001	and then switch it off when done - all manual, no guessing
2024-03-25 21:17:43	edu4rdshl	jclsn, uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2024-03-25 21:18:39	jclsn	edu4rdshl: 6.8.1-arch1-1
2024-03-25 21:18:49	jclsn	Standard Arch kernel
2024-03-25 21:18:55	edu4rdshl	I gave 2 commands
2024-03-25 21:19:19	kode54	wow
2024-03-25 21:19:25	jclsn	linux 6.8.1.arch1-1
2024-03-25 21:19:31	kode54	nice linux kernel bug here, possibly only with a third party kernel
2024-03-25 21:19:46	kode54	attempted to rmmod usbip_host after shutting off the daemon
2024-03-25 21:20:04	kode54	it sigkill'd the rmmod command and left the module resident with a refcount of -1
2024-03-25 21:20:09	edu4rdshl	jclsn, can you give the output from the terminal?
2024-03-25 21:20:19	edu4rdshl	Like, the error messages
2024-03-25 21:21:22	jclsn	edu4rdshl: I did already
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2024-03-25 21:21:59	jclsn	Oh that you mean
2024-03-25 21:22:08	jclsn	Says it doesn't look like a squashfs image
2024-03-25 21:22:22	edu4rdshl	I mean, the errors when trying to run an appimage, yeah
2024-03-25 21:22:35	jelle	edu4rdshl: error: flatpak not used
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2024-03-25 21:23:10	jclsn	edu4rdshl: https://0x0.st/XsS9.txt
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2024-03-25 21:23:52	edu4rdshl	jelle, fair. jelle I used to be a Gnome/flatpak ~~hater~~ and now I use Gnome and LOVE it. Only a few flatpak packages tho, I still prefer the ones from the repos ;D
2024-03-25 21:24:59	edu4rdshl	jclsn, are you sure that what you're looking for is not in flatpak or AUR?
2024-03-25 21:25:18	edu4rdshl	There may be some relevant info in the journal, but... 
2024-03-25 21:25:26	edu4rdshl	There may be better ways to handle that
2024-03-25 21:25:35	jclsn	edu4rdshl: Yes, I am maintaining those packages in the AUR. Thinking of extracting the appimage though to install it properly
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2024-03-25 21:25:51	jclsn	Atm I am just symlinking the appimage, which is stupid
2024-03-25 21:26:24	jclsn	Anyhow, I should be able to run appimages
2024-03-25 21:26:29	edu4rdshl	It doesn't offer any .deb or linux binary option?
2024-03-25 21:26:42	edu4rdshl	jclsn, can I know which appimage is it and see if it runs here?
2024-03-25 21:26:49	edu4rdshl	The problem can be the appimage
2024-03-25 21:26:59	jclsn	edu4rdshl: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/webos-dev-manager-bin
2024-03-25 21:27:00	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - webos-dev-manager-bin (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-25 21:28:31	edu4rdshl	jclsn, go with the .deb. Sane. Easier
2024-03-25 21:28:38	edu4rdshl	Let me check the appimage
2024-03-25 21:28:59	jclsn	edu4rdshl: There is a comment saying the image is fine
2024-03-25 21:29:24	jclsn	Used to work before like this. Found this PKGBUILD template for appimages somewhere
2024-03-25 21:29:33	jclsn	It is stupid to do it like this though
2024-03-25 21:29:34	◥	ThommoMC (~thommomc@103.108.229.62) has joined #archlinux
2024-03-25 21:29:43	edu4rdshl	It works here. Are you sure you downloaded the right architecture?
2024-03-25 21:29:53	edu4rdshl	There are x86-64 and aarch64
2024-03-25 21:30:09	edu4rdshl	But seriously, use the .deb for the package :)
2024-03-25 21:31:07	ThommoMC	I just attempted to resize my BTRFS home partition using KDE Partition Manager, but it just said error. Does resizing a btrfs filesystem not work if its mounted?
2024-03-25 21:34:11	edu4rdshl	ThommoMC, what error
2024-03-25 21:34:21	edu4rdshl	And BTRFS supports online resizing
2024-03-25 21:36:09	ThommoMC	Acording to the kde partition manger it was: Resizing Btrfs file system on partition ‘/dev/sda1’ failed: btrfs file system resize failed.
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2024-03-25 21:38:12	pulec	anyone flying drones and using betaflight-controller?
2024-03-25 21:38:23	pulec	for me only the betaflight-controller-bin from AUR worked properly
2024-03-25 21:39:40	pulec	the non bin version was trying to find drone at /dev/rcm or something, non existing
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2024-03-25 21:40:52	pulec	but the drone connects to ttyACM1: USB ACM device, so the bin version loads that fine, idk
2024-03-25 21:41:08	pulec	figuring out what to write on wiki, is emtpy!
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2024-03-25 21:41:35	alad	: O
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2024-03-25 21:42:22	⚡ 	mefistofeles closes alad mouth
2024-03-25 21:43:09	⚡ 	BrainDamage flies a AUV in alad's mouth before it closes
2024-03-25 21:43:34	pulec	:O tinywhoop whoop whoop
2024-03-25 21:43:36	BrainDamage	it'll curve 90° and then hit the vulnerability in the stomach
2024-03-25 21:43:46	pulec	oooh so that's the future with nanobots
2024-03-25 21:44:19	alad	>:(x)
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2024-03-25 21:44:38	pulec	hm I should probably setup some UDEV rules, at least betaflight wiki says so for when I put the flight controller to flash mode
2024-03-25 21:45:03	pulec	anyway, Cities Skylines 2 patched to "1.0" let's see
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2024-03-25 21:45:34	alad	pulec: did they remove the full rendering for all NPC teeth
2024-03-25 21:45:55	pulec	idk, I tried this morning with old patch and the NPC looked like they are from horror flick
2024-03-25 21:46:00	alad	lel
2024-03-25 21:46:08	BrainDamage	does it have a custom usb id?
2024-03-25 21:46:11	pulec	but ye perf improveed a bit
2024-03-25 21:46:21	pulec	BrainDamage: > New USB device found, idVendor=0483, idProduct=5740, bcdDevice= 2.00
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2024-03-25 21:46:55	astralc	BrainDamage gonna fantastic voyage alad
2024-03-25 21:47:07	pulec	in db that's just: Virtual COM Port
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2024-03-25 21:47:20	pulec	but it reports Product: Betaflight STM32F411, which is correct
2024-03-25 21:47:36	alad	astralc: >: |
2024-03-25 21:47:38	pulec	well roughly, since there are many F411 based flight controllers
2024-03-25 21:47:50	BrainDamage	I was about to say, that's a generic stm32 micro
2024-03-25 21:47:59	BrainDamage	so they didn't give a unique id
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2024-03-25 21:48:24	BrainDamage	but I guess the chance of plugging another stm32f4 device is low-ish
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2024-03-25 21:49:12	pulec	BrainDamage: step 1 https://betaflight.com/docs/wiki/guides/current/Installing-Betaflight
2024-03-25 21:49:14	phrik	Title: Installing Betaflight | Betaflight (at betaflight.com)
2024-03-25 21:49:30	pulec	those are IDS probably when booted to DFU(Flash) mode
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2024-03-25 21:49:43	pulec	but ye obviously setup udev rules for the vendor,product you need
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2024-03-25 21:50:23	BrainDamage	dfu is a generic standard, ifyou have the images you can flash it with several tools
2024-03-25 21:50:42	BrainDamage	in the case that doesn't work
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2024-03-25 21:53:02	pulec	luckily no need to flash yet, it has betaflight 4.4 I think 4.5 is still in rc
2024-03-25 21:53:50	pulec	but testing gps rescue will be pain, is afaik buggy in 4.4 and this cheap drone still uses old M8 chip, luckily I got m10 spare ordered
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2024-03-25 21:59:28	lockdown	Is dm-crypt also suitable/recommended for encrypting usb storage?
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2024-03-26 09:15:42	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-26 09:15:42	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1404 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1403 regular)
2024-03-25 22:03:44	Jhlorn	lockdown: Well, dm-crypt is just the mapper, what you put on it, would likely be LUKS. And LUKS, yes, is reasonably good. I keep my security keys encrypted on a USB thumbdrive.
2024-03-25 22:06:25	lockdown	Jhlorn: yeah with luks, thanks
2024-03-25 22:25:53	nullstring	im confused about where you're supposed to put PATH stuff when it comes to non-interactive logins. When I do ssh host -- command, I get a command not found because my path isn't setup. I have the path change in my .bashrc file. any thoughts?
2024-03-25 22:25:59	nullstring	I tried .ssh/rc as well
2024-03-25 22:29:57	jclsn	Why can't I use openssl-1.1 as depends=() in the PKGBUILD?
2024-03-25 22:30:19	jclsn	Guess the dash is not legal
2024-03-25 22:31:24	edu4rdshl	jclsn, which error are you getting?
2024-03-25 22:31:35	jclsn	Oh no quotes..
2024-03-25 22:31:38	jclsn	Nevermind
2024-03-25 22:31:40	edu4rdshl	:p
2024-03-25 22:38:51	jclsn	Seems like someone else already create an AUR package from a .deb file
2024-03-25 22:38:58	jclsn	I requested the deletion of mine
2024-03-25 23:47:50	ThommoMC	My system keeps on randomly freezing with no pattern and it seems to be a gpu driver error. I believe it is this as one of the last logs from that boot is saying stuff about a crash dump for it and a few other errors. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix it?
2024-03-25 23:49:07	gromit	ThommoMC: what useful things are in the log? 
2024-03-25 23:49:51	ThommoMC	Heres the log: https://pastebin.com/9u0jcxap
2024-03-25 23:49:52	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XsQU.txt
2024-03-25 23:49:53	phrik	Title: Mar 26 09:26:58 pc kernel: #PF: supervisor read access in kernel modeMar 26 09 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-03-25 23:50:17	ThommoMC	I had journalctl set to reverse so keep that in mind when reading the logs
2024-03-25 23:51:49	ThommoMC	just realized a tiny bit of the pipewire log entry is cut off, hope that doesnt matter
2024-03-25 23:52:24	ThommoMC	Oh just realized the time, Gotta go :(
2024-03-25 23:52:42	phrik	Title: General troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-25 23:52:55	farkenvoid	LOL
2024-03-26 00:05:00	gehidore	memoserv!
2024-03-26 00:05:06	gehidore	not that anyone ever checks their memos
2024-03-26 00:06:57	mpan	If only MemoServ was considered a de-facto standard among IRC community, so clients could treat messages from it as special and make them more visible…
2024-03-26 00:07:10	mpan	mingdao:  /msg MemoServ help
2024-03-26 00:13:57	gehidore	meh
2024-03-26 00:55:15	harwiltz	Hello all. I recently started using wayland, and power management (?) on my laptop doesn't seem to be working. I have a LED on my laptop lid that starts pulsing when the laptop is asleep (or lid is closed), but when I close the lid now, the LED remains lit. Also, the screen never turns off, even if I'm idle for hours. Is there some sort of setup that I missed?
2024-03-26 00:57:57	spacespork	harwiltz: do you have the acpi daemon running?
2024-03-26 00:59:14	harwiltz	spacespork: I don't even know that I have one installed, lemme check
2024-03-26 01:00:33	harwiltz	Just installed acpid, let's see if that works, thanks spacespork!
2024-03-26 01:00:50	spacespork	no worries, good luck
2024-03-26 01:01:17	harwiltz	Hm unfortunately that doesn't change anything as far as I can tell
2024-03-26 01:01:54	harwiltz	Though I can see that acpid is recognizing when the lid opens/closes, it just doesn't do anything to the screen
2024-03-26 01:07:08	spacespork	harwiltz: thats odd, did you try rebooting after starting the daemon?
2024-03-26 01:08:11	harwiltz	Ah no I didn't, I'll try now. Thanks!
2024-03-26 01:25:50	Jhlorn	haritz: What are you running in terms of graphical session? GNOME? KDE Plasma? i3? Sway? fvwm2? Xfce? blackbox? 
2024-03-26 01:29:01	spacespork	Jhlorn: not sure where haritz went, told them to restart but they dont seem to have come back
2024-03-26 01:30:35	spacespork	*harwiltz
2024-03-26 01:51:50	vasko	Is there a reason libs don't provide `foo.so.N` and packages don't just depend on the lib version so that partial upgrades become safe? Just curios.
2024-03-26 01:53:03	edu4rdshl	vasko, imagine bumping every soname dependency for every package on each update
2024-03-26 01:53:09	edu4rdshl	Maybe that's the why?
2024-03-26 01:54:32	flatrute	my nvidia optimus system sometimes forces x11 on cold boot and i have to reboot again to get gdm wayland working again
2024-03-26 01:54:34	mefistofeles	edu4rdshl: I wouldn't think that to be much of an issue, that's automatic
2024-03-26 01:54:37	mefistofeles	or can be automated, basically
2024-03-26 01:54:39	flatrute	any ideas?
2024-03-26 01:54:40	vasko	Could it not be automated? Have to rebuild the depen:ent packages anyway right?
2024-03-26 01:55:15	mefistofeles	vasko: the problem is just that you would need to upgrade as well all the reversed dependencies
2024-03-26 01:55:22	mefistofeles	and the reverse dependencies of those, recursively
2024-03-26 01:55:39	mefistofeles	which... sounds like a lot of unnecessary bookkeeping 
2024-03-26 01:55:57	mefistofeles	might as well just update them all
2024-03-26 01:57:34	mefistofeles	flatrute: what do you mean by forces x11 on cold boot? How is it forcing it? 
2024-03-26 01:57:40	mefistofeles	flatrute: you don't even get the wayland option?
2024-03-26 01:58:29	flatrute	mefistofeles: yes, and i get wayland again after reboot
2024-03-26 01:59:02	mefistofeles	flatrute: hmm, strange
2024-03-26 02:00:27	flatrute	linux-zen, nvidia-open-dkms, NVreg_PreserveVideoMemoryAllocations=1 already set
2024-03-26 02:01:00	⚡ 	mefistofeles looks at `nvidia-open-dkms` suspiciously
2024-03-26 02:02:19	gromit	vasko: The current pacman version has some feature going in that direction so maybe going forward we'll have something like this https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/arch-dev-public@lists.archlinux.org/thread/6T5EZZDWO2ETO6P5M6HPMBKTB46W3U4Y/
2024-03-26 02:02:21	phrik	Title: Future of libdepends and libprovides - Arch-dev-public - lists.archlinux.org (at lists.archlinux.org)
2024-03-26 02:04:59	mefistofeles	just to make sure I'm understanding and not too dumb, does what I said make sense? gromit vasko 
2024-03-26 02:06:03	vasko	gromitthats very cool!
2024-03-26 02:10:30	vasko	it makes sense, but I think pacman might already support updating reverse deps or otherwise it could refuse if a reverse dep would break given soname's are pinned.
2024-03-26 02:11:57	mefistofeles	vasko: ah right, yeah, I think that's true
2024-03-26 03:58:01	yitz	alad: Are you AladW of aurutils?
2024-03-26 03:58:15	yitz	Does any aurutil user know if there's a way to remove a package from a repo?
2024-03-26 03:59:27	yitz	My `aur sync --ignore` list keeps getting longer with packages that don't build and/or I don't use. I want to drop them from my local repo.
2024-03-26 04:05:42	Dworin	yitz: look at man repo-remove
2024-03-26 04:05:54	Dworin	Assuming you're talking about your custom repo
2024-03-26 04:14:33	yitz	Yup. Thanks Dworin!
2024-03-26 04:15:00	Dworin	you're welcome
2024-03-26 04:23:13	Jhlorn	Is it possible with pipewire to take the line-in input from one sound device to mix it in with the output of another sound output? I want the line-in of my sound card to go through my headset if it's set as the default output device.
2024-03-26 04:29:17	mefistofeles	Jhlorn: maybe wireplumber?
2024-03-26 04:31:48	Jhlorn	NetSysFire, that's quite a valid point! I can definitely try that.
2024-03-26 04:34:05	Dworin	How can I clear the LIST of coredumps in coredumpctl? Not much point scrolling through pages when all dumps are already flushed.
2024-03-26 04:34:47	yitz	`mkinitcpio -P` is showing   Creating gzip-compressed initcpio image: '/boot/initramfs-linux.img'   followed by   WARNING: errors were encountered during the build. The image may not be complete.   without any other info. Adding --verbose doesn't..
2024-03-26 04:34:51	yitz	... help. Any suggestions on figuring out the issue?
2024-03-26 04:35:19	yitz	Setting COMPRESSION="cat" didn't make the error go away so it's not in the compression
2024-03-26 04:38:33	yitz	I don't know what to do with it :D But searching for that error suggests    mkinitcpio-37-1   was outputting that warning but otherwise doing the right thing. Maybe I'll try a mkinitcpio rollback
2024-03-26 04:38:42	yitz	Though I'm using 38-1
2024-03-26 04:39:25	yitz	Hrm. Or not. I might not have a package cache?
2024-03-26 04:39:32	Namarrgon	what is the output of "mkinitcpio -P"?
2024-03-26 04:40:56	yitz	http://sprunge.us/quuV3B
2024-03-26 04:41:19	Namarrgon	is this on an ARM system?
2024-03-26 04:41:36	Namarrgon	you didn't redirect stderr, did you?
2024-03-26 04:41:54	yitz	Yes, this is ARM. I actually copy/pasted from the terminal so that's STDOUT and STDERR
2024-03-26 04:42:09	Namarrgon	then you're in the wrong channel, try #archlinuxarm
2024-03-26 04:42:26	yitz	Eh. It's mkinitcpio but sure.
2024-03-26 04:43:23	Namarrgon	you can "Eh" me once you can reproduce it on arch
2024-03-26 04:43:40	yitz	Fair enough
2024-03-26 05:22:23	shalok	Does arch do any magic to avoid recursively rebuilding dependents if a package is updated but maintains the same interface, or will every minor (ABI compatible) change to widely used dependencies like glibc and qt rebuild large swathes of packages?
2024-03-26 05:26:16	edu4rdshl	shalok, the later
2024-03-26 05:40:01	Scimmia	shalok: the former, but no magic
2024-03-26 05:43:17	shalok	edu4rdshl, Scimmia: I'm confused, don't those answers contradict?
2024-03-26 05:43:39	Scimmia	they do, I have no idea what edu4rdshl is talking about
2024-03-26 05:45:08	thingfish	maybe they're being ornery.
2024-03-26 05:47:32	Scimmia	probably misread the question
2024-03-26 05:47:40	edu4rdshl	Yes, def.
2024-03-26 05:47:52	edu4rdshl	Missed the "maintains the same interface" part
2024-03-26 05:47:54	edu4rdshl	Sorry
2024-03-26 05:51:26	shalok	Scimmia: How will arch know if a change does not change the interface or semantics and it is safe to skip rebuilding dependents?
2024-03-26 05:52:57	akik	finally i found why i was getting the nvidia nvrm xid errors. i had to set powermizer to 'prefer maximum performance' and now the problem is gone
2024-03-26 05:53:17	akik	took only a couple of years
2024-03-26 05:54:35	akik	nvidia-settings -a GPUPowerMizerMode=1
2024-03-26 05:57:36	Scimmia	shalok: ABI changes without versioned symbols require an soname change
2024-03-26 07:13:59	andi_	wasn't there an option for a minimal desktop setup using archsetup or am i to blind to find it on the archlinux-2024.03.01-x86_64.iso?
2024-03-26 07:14:08	andi_	s/archsetup/archinstall
2024-03-26 07:37:27	gehidore	andi_ I believe there's also #archinstall
2024-03-26 07:48:32	goosecheese	Hi all, is this thing on?
2024-03-26 07:48:53	goosecheese	foiled again. 
2024-03-26 07:49:40	goosecheese	seems to be the flavor of the day today. 
2024-03-26 07:49:42	virtualsid	might be worth it for andi_ to check there anyway, in case there are any archinstall users there who know the answer. Though I'm surprised someone here wasn't able to reply with 'yes' or 'no' :-D
2024-03-26 07:50:47	thingfish	I have used archinstall a few times, pretty familiar with it.
2024-03-26 07:51:07	goosecheese	oh, that's good to know. 
2024-03-26 07:51:23	goosecheese	it's a shame, I was enjoying the nostalgia for a moment there. 
2024-03-26 07:54:21	goosecheese	i imagine it's a difficult one to maintain, given the many flavours of arch
2024-03-26 07:54:52	Disconsented	Damn I thought it installed fedora
2024-03-26 07:55:05	goosecheese	yeah, but what packages beyond base are "arch" then :P 
2024-03-26 07:55:20	Disconsented	Anyway preemptive
2024-03-26 07:55:22	Disconsented	!notarch
2024-03-26 07:55:22	phrik	https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2024-03-26 07:55:29	⚡ 	Disconsented leaves
2024-03-26 07:55:47	goosecheese	Hahah fair 
2024-03-26 07:56:12	goosecheese	I actually am not sure I'm in the right channel for the issue i have right now anyway, but perhaps you could redirect me?
2024-03-26 07:57:53	goosecheese	I'm trying to get arch arm installed on a raspberry pi zero 2w, and have come up against a number of challenges
2024-03-26 07:58:20	phrik	https://0x0.st/s--w.png
2024-03-26 07:58:25	⚡ 	virtualsid gets the pitchforks out for goosecheese 
2024-03-26 07:58:29	goosecheese	hahahaha
2024-03-26 07:58:36	virtualsid	lol Psi-Jack 
2024-03-26 07:58:38	phrik	Psi-Jack: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
2024-03-26 07:58:42	goosecheese	thanks psi, i knew there would be a place for heathens
2024-03-26 07:59:40	goosecheese	if it makes you feel better i'm on arch right now messaging you, i find that the regular flavor of arch has much better documentation. Not half as many headaches! 
2024-03-26 08:00:01	virtualsid	I'm not a shill for microsoft, honest, but I'd give bing.com/chat a try with the actual issue, goosecheese - it has helped me more than I had expected.
2024-03-26 08:01:02	goosecheese	bing chat? ahhaha maybe i'll give it a go. i think it's just a question of repeated headbanging at this point, I'm sure there's a really simple step I'm missing. 
2024-03-26 08:01:32	goosecheese	Thanks for the help Psi
2024-03-26 08:01:33	virtualsid	haha, perhaps! just so you know, it's just gpt-3.5 or gpt-4 if you hit the button to choose gpt-4
2024-03-26 08:02:38	goosecheese	haha, yeah thanks sid, I'll give anything a crack at this point. 
2024-03-26 08:03:41	virtualsid	g'luck. Hopefully you figure the issue out :)
2024-03-26 08:16:53	vasko	Psi-Jack: Have you seen the new ports RFC? https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/rfcs/-/merge_requests/32
2024-03-26 08:16:54	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Ports (!32) · Merge requests · Arch Linux / RFCs · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-03-26 08:18:38	vasko	Ah you already mentioned that.
2024-03-26 08:21:08	japhir	hi, I'm trying to make my bluetooth headset work, so reading this wiki page https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/bluetooth_headset however, even though I have pipewire-pulse and wireplumber and bluez installed, the necessary config files in section 1.1.1.1 and 1.1.1.2 are not present on my system
2024-03-26 08:21:09	phrik	Title: Bluetooth headset - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-26 08:22:28	japhir	i.e. the /usr/share/wireplumber/bluetooth.lua.d dir doesn't exist
2024-03-26 08:23:32	japhir	and /usr/share/pipewire/media-session.d/ only contains 2 files, neither of which with something about bluez
2024-03-26 08:29:00	japhir	for now I listened to the xkcd comic linked in the wiki page and connected through a cable for now XD
2024-03-26 08:33:43	raster	cables FTW!
2024-03-26 08:40:53	thiyyil	hello, I have a gog game with sh self-extract installer and I want to install it securely. is there a way to install a game in a sandbox like firejail? Or at least track the operations the scritp does? On debian a while ago there was "checkinstall" script which kept track of installations and created a deb package, is there an equivalent for archlinux?
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2024-03-26 09:16:34	akik	checkinstall is distro-agnostic
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2024-03-26 10:48:29	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-26 10:48:29	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1415 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1414 regular)
2024-03-26 09:28:26	wunit	according to the description, it only supports Slackware, .deb and .rpm, though
2024-03-26 09:28:40	dan01	I have a nominal understanding of secure boot. How does Arch get installed of systems with Secure Boot?
2024-03-26 09:29:09	grawity	with "disable Secure Boot" being step 1, I believe
2024-03-26 09:29:57	dan01	What is different to Arch? Fedora and Ubuntu support it.
2024-03-26 09:31:28	BrainDamage	they have signed kernel images that you can readily deploy and/or shims
2024-03-26 09:31:43	grawity	afaik, they both have infra to build and sign their kernels centrally, with the signing cert then being embedded into their own builds of Shim that then have gone through the Microsoft "third-party" SB signing process
2024-03-26 09:32:10	Foxboron	grawity is correct
2024-03-26 09:32:37	BrainDamage	with you, you kinda have to deploy your own machine owner key, and roll your own signatures
2024-03-26 09:32:51	Foxboron	You dont have to enroll a MOK. You can enroll your own PKI
2024-03-26 09:34:58	grawity	whereas Arch doesn't yet have the infrastructure to do any kind of central signing (every packager signs .pkg's locally with their own key), which /could/ be made to work with SB in theory, but I'm not sure if Shim can trust a whole "Arch packaging CA" the way pacman trusts the arch-master-keys...
2024-03-26 09:40:11	Gnana	what is  informant ??
2024-03-26 09:41:05	Gnana	https://pastebin.com/1dQc9jSBhttps://pastebin.com/1dQc9jSB
2024-03-26 09:41:09	Gnana	ops sorry
2024-03-26 09:41:11	Gnana	here https://pastebin.com/1dQc9jSB
2024-03-26 09:41:11	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/Xs2X.txt
2024-03-26 09:41:13	phrik	Title: :: informant: Run `informant read` before re-running your pacman commanderror: - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-03-26 09:41:44	BrainDamage	something you installed yourself
2024-03-26 09:41:57	BrainDamage	which apparently put a pacman hook
2024-03-26 09:42:05	Gnana	ah ok
2024-03-26 09:42:16	grawity	"An Arch Linux News reader and pacman hook"
2024-03-26 09:42:29	grawity	it forces the user to read Arch news, sounds like a useful thing
2024-03-26 09:42:45	grawity	doesn't gentoo have that built-in?
2024-03-26 09:46:08	Gnana	if it says then i have to read it?
2024-03-26 09:48:14	Gnana	i dont understand why it needed. should i uninstall it?
2024-03-26 09:48:44	grawity	why did you install it thne
2024-03-26 09:49:29	Gnana	was looking rss feeder notifcation for mako. but instead i found this and gave it try.
2024-03-26 10:48:29	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-03-26 11:25:32	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-26 11:25:32	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1418 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1417 regular)
2024-03-26 11:05:34	WinterStar	Hello folks: I noticed that TaskWarrior version 3 ("task" package) was among the updates, but it contains a breaking change where you have to export and re-import your tasks into the new sqlite3 back-end: https://github.com/GothenburgBitFactory/taskwarrior/releases/tag/v3.0.0
2024-03-26 11:05:53	WinterStar	Should this be in the News section?
2024-03-26 11:20:47	Khorne	Hardly, seems like a very software specific issue
2024-03-26 11:25:32	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-03-26 12:45:55	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-03-26 12:13:05	WinterStar	Very well.
2024-03-26 12:27:06	Gnana	i have kernel panic error. dont the exact error where to find the logs?
2024-03-26 12:27:36	grawity	the relevant logs are part of the kernel panic message
2024-03-26 12:27:51	grawity	i.e. the long list of various() functions() is the "logs"
2024-03-26 12:28:01	grawity	you're not going to find them in any log file, though
2024-03-26 12:28:18	grawity	because logging and other services stop running the moment kernel panic happens
2024-03-26 12:28:34	grawity	actually might be able to find them in pstore if UEFI supports that
2024-03-26 12:28:43	Gnana	should i try chaning kernel ?
2024-03-26 12:28:47	Foxboron	WizeWizard: We only publish news for issues that can break your system or fail an update
2024-03-26 12:28:48	Gnana	changing
2024-03-26 12:29:09	Foxboron	WizeWizard: Software releases where you have to do something with the release isn't news worthy, if it where the case you'd get daily news items from us. And that would not be usefull
2024-03-26 12:29:37	Foxboron	WizeWizard: Argueably we should use the pacman changelog a bit better for stuff like this.
2024-03-26 12:29:47	Gnana	okay let me try getting the pic
2024-03-26 12:39:38	iyanmv_	arojas: Do you know what plasma/kf6 package provides the QML modules 'org.kde.plasma.configuration' and 'org.kde.plasma.plasmoid'? (Trying to understand if I can ignore some namcap warnings)
2024-03-26 12:44:38	arojas	iyanmv_: that's libplasma
2024-03-26 12:45:55	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-26 12:46:28	iyanmv_	arojas: alright, thanks! Then I can ignore namcap warnings ;)
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2024-03-26 12:47:39	arojas	yeah that's provided by the library itself, not an installed module, so namcap doesn't detect it
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2024-03-26 12:49:24	andmars	can you guys run kdenlive 24.02.1-1? It segfaults over here. Runs fine with 24.02.0-2
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2024-03-26 12:49:33	Furai	Is it good idea to have for example some application live in /opt folder with root only permissions but to allow execution of it using suid/guid by other users?
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2024-03-26 12:55:29	Namarrgon	Furai: what does it need suid for?
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2024-03-26 12:57:00	gromit	andmars: segfaults for me aswell
2024-03-26 12:57:15	gromit	andmars: are you using the testing or the stable repos? 
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2024-03-26 12:58:29	ondra_	hello there
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2024-03-26 13:00:45	gromit	!give ondra_ welcome
2024-03-26 13:00:46	phrik	ondra_: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
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2024-03-26 13:03:41	drathir_tor	anyone have recently boot hang issues with kaslr on loading initial ramdisk on amd cpu ?
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2024-03-26 13:15:25	ondra_	the thing is I didnt ;)
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2024-03-26 13:16:04	ondra_	just wanna tell you, I use Arch BTW
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2024-03-26 13:17:30	colo	drathir_tor: I booted 6.8.1-arch1-1 today on Zen3, no such problems for me. or is KASLR opt-in, and I am not even using it? %-)
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2024-03-26 13:20:37	malina	I'm sure it's more of a innocuous reason but you have a fake package in sha3sum where the b2sum doesn't correspond to the package. could be a stale sum from the previous version of course but I seem to get the impression arch been using an autobuilder for a while?
2024-03-26 13:21:01	malina	but figured I'd mention it . toodles.
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2024-03-26 13:39:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-03-26 13:39:08	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-26 13:39:16	bertptrs	wall4nce: not saying there aren't issues just that the IRQ stats might be a red herring
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2024-03-26 13:39:31	BrainDamage	m15k: you'll have to create your own dummy package
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2024-03-26 13:40:10	m15k	BrainDamage: Would that be accepted on aur?
2024-03-26 13:40:15	BrainDamage	sure
2024-03-26 13:40:26	BrainDamage	and as rule of thumb, if idle deps on a disk are an emotional burden for you, arch is not a good distro to pick
2024-03-26 13:40:38	BrainDamage	because arch's packages are normally built with all deps included
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2024-03-26 14:10:05	nerdistmonk	which is two of the things I like about arch.....no -dev packages and when I go to compile something, odds are, I already got what it needs
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2024-03-26 14:13:58	hseg	Hi. pizauth (rust-based) has stopped building for me unless I set options=(!lto). Any ideas what might've changed?
2024-03-26 14:15:11	hseg	ah, I see I haven't updated it yet to latest guidelines
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2024-03-26 14:17:09	Allos	Hi, switching from Handsfree to Headset output on my wireless earbuds (to reduce audio output quality and enable its mic) disables my second external USB mic. Why?
2024-03-26 14:17:49	Allos	I want my bluetooth earbuds in Headset mode and keep my external USB mic active.
2024-03-26 14:18:06	Allos	I do not want to use the mic on my earbuds.
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2024-03-26 14:18:28	grawity	why are you trying to enable it then
2024-03-26 14:18:33	grawity	pulseaudio or pipewire?
2024-03-26 14:18:36	Allos	Pipewire
2024-03-26 14:19:05	iyanmv_	Anyone has tried to setup a Matrix server using matrix-synapse?
2024-03-26 14:20:15	iyanmv_	I guess #archlinux:archlinux.org uses this package but I don't manage to make it work :\
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2024-03-26 14:20:33	Allos	grawity: I want to disable the mic on my earbuds (Handsfree -> Headset) but it seems to also disable my second external USB mic, a different audio device.
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2024-03-26 14:23:24	Allos	Oh, this only happens in apps. My external mic works with my earbud mic disabled (earbuds in Headset mode) in Gnome audio settings.
2024-03-26 14:24:24	BrainDamage	phrik: give iyanmv_ anyone
2024-03-26 14:24:25	phrik	iyanmv_: Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2024-03-26 14:24:58	jelle	hspak: options=(!lto) is fine if you need to link rust code to C
2024-03-26 14:25:08	jelle	or better said interact with a C aPI
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2024-03-26 14:27:04	hseg	sorry, link dropped
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2024-03-26 14:28:36	Allos	Let me phrase this better:
2024-03-26 14:28:36	Allos	Why does switching audio OUTPUT from `Handsfree - soundcore Liberty 4 NC` to `Headset - soundcore Liberty 4 NC` appear to disable audio INPUT from `Microphone - RODE NT-USB` in apps other than GNOME Sound Settings (Pipewire)?
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2024-03-26 14:30:04	Allos	E.g. Firefox https://mictests.com/
2024-03-26 14:30:06	phrik	Title: Mic Test (at mictests.com)
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2024-03-26 14:30:25	iyanmv_	phrik: I was able to make synapse work with nginx using containers with podman. But now I was trying to avoid the containers, and with the exact same configs it doesn't seem to work. Is there any way I can test the synapse server? 
2024-03-26 14:30:26	phrik	iyanmv_: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
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2024-03-26 14:30:39	iyanmv_	phrik: :)
2024-03-26 14:30:39	phrik	http://i.imgur.com/gS97q.jpg
2024-03-26 14:30:49	iyanmv_	hahaha
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2024-03-26 14:30:57	hseg	going through rust packaging guidelines again, don't see anything relevant except https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Talk:Rust_package_guidelines#RUSTFLAGS_link-time_optimization
2024-03-26 14:30:58	phrik	Title: Talk:Rust package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-26 14:31:24	gromit	jelle: I think you'll have to resend as hseg left in the meantime 
2024-03-26 14:31:26	BrainDamage	iyanmv: not enough information unfortunately, as to test it, any matrix client sshould work
2024-03-26 14:31:44	gromit	iyanmv_: phrik is our bot ;) 
2024-03-26 14:31:49	jelle	hspak: options=(!lto) is fine if you need to link rust code to C
2024-03-26 14:31:55	gromit	hseg: ^
2024-03-26 14:32:28	iyanmv_	lol
2024-03-26 14:32:30	BrainDamage	iyanmv first you should try to connect from 127.0.0.1, and then from what domain it should run from
2024-03-26 14:32:32	hseg	oh? am nervous (due to lack of knowledge) of deviating from defaults
2024-03-26 14:32:35	hseg	why is this ok?
2024-03-26 14:32:53	hseg	(and why did it cause trouble in the first place?)
2024-03-26 14:32:56	BrainDamage	lto is link time optimization
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2024-03-26 19:30:35	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-03-26 14:33:21	iyanmv_	that's what I tried, I did a ssh -L 8008:localhost:8008 and try to connect with element-desktop with localhost, but doesn't seem to work
2024-03-26 14:33:28	iyanmv_	I also don't see anything interesting in the logs
2024-03-26 14:33:34	iyanmv_	even chaning the level from INFO to DEBUG
2024-03-26 14:33:49	BrainDamage	don't use localhost, use 127, by default iirc it binds only on ipv4
2024-03-26 14:34:20	iyanmv_	even the synapse register_new_matrix_user seem to fail to connect
2024-03-26 14:34:55	BrainDamage	from the same machine? then that's an issue
2024-03-26 14:34:59	iyanmv_	Yes
2024-03-26 14:35:03	iyanmv_	I get an requests.exceptions.ConnectionError
2024-03-26 14:35:09	iyanmv_	after introducing the user and password
2024-03-26 14:35:12	BrainDamage	is the port open itfp?
2024-03-26 14:35:26	BrainDamage	ss -nlp | grep 8008
2024-03-26 14:35:38	iyanmv_	yes
2024-03-26 14:35:47	iyanmv_	tcp   LISTEN 0      50                                           127.0.0.1:8008             0.0.0.0:*
2024-03-26 14:35:48	BrainDamage	firewall rules?
2024-03-26 14:36:12	iyanmv_	I have, but not affecting 127.0.0.1 (but let me double check)
2024-03-26 14:40:44	wall4nce	https://i.imgur.com/6Eobwop.png uhh this is not normal, isn't it? :)
2024-03-26 14:40:48	iyanmv_	I don't see anything weird
2024-03-26 14:41:15	iyanmv_	wall4nce: sorry, my msg is not about your screenshot (just in case)
2024-03-26 14:41:17	wall4nce	>1 hr of CPU time on that irq in 7 hrs of total uptime
2024-03-26 14:41:31	wall4nce	iyanmv_: yea I realized it wasn't referring to thing I sent 0.4 ms ago :D
2024-03-26 14:42:39	BrainDamage	iyanmv: try to curl/telnet the port
2024-03-26 14:42:53	iyanmv_	curl: (52) Empty reply from server
2024-03-26 14:43:47	BrainDamage	uhhh, something is pretty broken but I am not sure what
2024-03-26 14:44:17	BrainDamage	I would say to paste your config, but it contains quite a few secret/crypto strings
2024-03-26 14:44:27	BrainDamage	so you'd have to prune those out first
2024-03-26 14:44:40	iyanmv_	yep, that's why I wrote here :)
2024-03-26 14:44:48	iyanmv_	The config is just the default
2024-03-26 14:45:00	iyanmv_	I went back to the default create with post_install()
2024-03-26 14:45:05	iyanmv_	to try to debug it
2024-03-26 14:45:34	iyanmv_	well, with the --server-name changed
2024-03-26 14:45:40	iyanmv_	oh, s***
2024-03-26 14:45:43	iyanmv_	maybe that's why
2024-03-26 14:45:47	iyanmv_	I'm using a new alias
2024-03-26 14:45:56	iyanmv_	let me add that to hosts
2024-03-26 14:47:43	iyanmv_	na, nothing changed
2024-03-26 14:48:22	red_man	morning 
2024-03-26 14:50:37	BrainDamage	create a new config from scratch and test that
2024-03-26 14:51:46	BrainDamage	the scratch config you can paste
2024-03-26 14:52:05	BrainDamage	this way even if you leak the keys, they'll be gone when you're done testing
2024-03-26 14:52:14	BrainDamage	and then you can diff with your own to see the changes
2024-03-26 14:55:37	iyanmv_	and now it works...
2024-03-26 14:56:53	iyanmv_	the only difference seems to be that I set request_id_header
2024-03-26 14:57:04	iyanmv_	at least now connecting locally it works
2024-03-26 14:57:28	iyanmv_	BrainDamage: thanks! 
2024-03-26 15:00:06	drathir_tor	colo: interesting on lts it jumps into bootloop but no kaslr error message... probably time to play with mkinitcpio config... and maybe try to disable resume or add radeon into modules...
2024-03-26 15:04:59	RealFloridaMan	for the record, I solved the Open VM Tools issue, it was kd6 and all the issues it has, plus I have to compile the latest version of open-vm-tools
2024-03-26 15:19:45	TKD_tower	can i use zram and zswap at the same time
2024-03-26 15:21:34	demonicmaniac1	TKD_tower: yes
2024-03-26 15:22:03	demonicmaniac1	zswap will cache internally before writing out to any swap, zram can be the backing device if zswap ever needs to write out to actual swap
2024-03-26 15:23:55	TKD_tower	i would like the setup of compress whatever you can which arent used into ram or swap, and swap when needed optimally
2024-03-26 15:24:00	demonicmaniac1	however i would suggest just making zswap bigger and set swappiness to 1 and have a backing swapfile. zswap is more efficient than zram and swappiness 1 will cause zswap to hardly ever write anything out
2024-03-26 15:24:55	TKD_tower	its just the /sys/modules has a zswap option and archwiki says turn the module on when not using zram
2024-03-26 15:25:15	TKD_tower	and zram.service makes swaps with mkswap instead of zramctl
2024-03-26 15:25:38	demonicmaniac1	zswap is the smart way to do it, zram has loads of overhead and is just putting a swapfile on a tmpfs
2024-03-26 15:26:23	TKD_tower	overhead?
2024-03-26 15:26:36	TKD_tower	when you make a swap /dev/zramX with label zramX does it automaticly make it a zram instead swapfile
2024-03-26 15:27:17	pro	I'm thinking about adding 2FA to my password manager (keepassxc), and I'm wondering if there's any good alternatives to yubikey?
2024-03-26 15:28:46	Allos	Hi, how can I check which mic Steam considers its default mic?
2024-03-26 15:29:16	Allos	I.e. Steam Settings > Voice > Voice Input Device > Default?
2024-03-26 15:30:17	Allos	Is this the same as Gnome Quick Settings > Sound Input?
2024-03-26 15:30:25	drathir_tor	pro: most likely there are tons of, but biggest question if You could trust them...
2024-03-26 15:32:36	pro	drathir_tor: I'm just interested to hear what other people use (I value product support and long-term usability more than security itself)
2024-03-26 16:11:11	badsektor	guys i got two disks, so i have ext4 with systemd-boot on this one, and i just installed arch on the other one as well, with btrfs and systemd-boot, but it still boots to this one. why wont the other one boot instead? 
2024-03-26 16:12:05	Namarrgon	"efibootmgr"
2024-03-26 16:12:06	colo	efi variables probably still tell the firmware to boot from the other ESP.
2024-03-26 16:12:09	colo	(or luck :))
2024-03-26 16:12:36	Jhlorn	badsektor: Because you have two EFI stubs, you'd have to use the Bios Boot Selector to switch between which one you wanted during POST.
2024-03-26 16:13:13	Jhlorn	Better to have one EFI and have grub do os-prober to allow you to select from it. Or refind I think was a good option as well.
2024-03-26 16:15:18	Scimmia	badsektor: you are going to have to use a different description for each in the firmware's boot manager (which is what efibootmgr reads)
2024-03-26 16:16:00	Scimmia	I think bootctl will allow that
2024-03-26 16:16:12	Scimmia	if not, you'd have to do it manually with efibootmgr
2024-03-26 16:24:52	outoftime	https://bpa.st/3M5Q I'm trying to upgrade very old arch. 
2024-03-26 16:24:53	phrik	Title: View paste 3M5Q (at bpa.st)
2024-03-26 16:25:34	Namarrgon	outoftime: upgrade in stages via the archive
2024-03-26 16:25:44	susi__	outoftime: how old? it's going to go bad, unless you upgrade it in multiple stages with ALA
2024-03-26 16:25:59	Namarrgon	or just reinstall
2024-03-26 16:26:52	outoftime	`uname -r` > 5.11.15-arch1-2
2024-03-26 16:27:05	outoftime	`uname -a` > Linux licensing-develop 5.11.15-arch1-2 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat, 17 Apr 2021 00:22:30 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2024-03-26 16:27:47	Scimmia	so about 3 years
2024-03-26 16:27:53	Scimmia	not terrible
2024-03-26 16:28:16	Scimmia	what version of pacman do you have?
2024-03-26 16:28:34	outoftime	acman v5.2.2 - libalpm v12.0.2
2024-03-26 16:29:52	Scimmia	that's probably the issue. One intermediate update would probably do it
2024-03-26 16:30:01	Scimmia	make sure you get onto pacman 6
2024-03-26 16:30:43	Scimmia	or use an external pacman for the update
2024-03-26 16:33:32	outoftime	So I need to get some pacman 6 version from archive and all its dependancies?
2024-03-26 16:34:52	Scimmia	You update the entire system to a single date, don't try to just update part of it
2024-03-26 16:35:58	gromit	outoftime: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux_Archive#How_to_restore_all_packages_to_a_specific_date
2024-03-26 16:35:59	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Archive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-26 16:43:08	outoftime	so, setting Server=https://archive.archlinux.org/repos/2014/02/30/$repo/os/$arch should be enought for upgrade?
2024-03-26 16:43:31	outoftime	I mean 2024
2024-03-26 16:44:52	Scimmia	It should get past that issue, you may run into others
2024-03-26 16:45:04	outoftime	Server=https://archive.archlinux.org/repos/2024/03/26/$repo/os/$arch I'll try this one
2024-03-26 16:45:46	Scimmia	that won't work
2024-03-26 16:45:57	Scimmia	go back a year or something
2024-03-26 16:48:37	outoftime	:: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/base-3-1-any.pkg.tar.zst is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)).
2024-03-26 16:49:37	outoftime	mingdao: AFAIK, it means to the latest version but I have pacman 5 and I can't upgrade to the latest in one go
2024-03-26 16:51:54	Scimmia	outoftime: the actual error is before that
2024-03-26 16:52:02	Scimmia	likely you need to update archlinux-keyring first
2024-03-26 16:52:39	outoftime	Scimmia: upgrade keyring for provided archive timestamp?
2024-03-26 16:53:20	Scimmia	yes
2024-03-26 16:55:11	outoftime	Same error. Did `pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Syyuu`
2024-03-26 16:55:40	Scimmia	need the actual error
2024-03-26 16:57:58	iyanmv_	Now that matrix-synapse is working perfectly, I have a more interesting question. Is it possible to use different ssl_ecdh_curve values in different server blocks with nginx? From the docs I understand that this is possible, but then what I see is that changes in one server affect the others.
2024-03-26 16:58:12	outoftime	Scimmia: https://bpa.st/CYEA
2024-03-26 16:58:14	phrik	Title: View paste CYEA (at bpa.st)
2024-03-26 16:58:42	Scimmia	so the issue is the disabled key
2024-03-26 16:58:52	iyanmv_	In particular, I want to foce to use ssl_ecdh_curve x25519_kyber768 only in one server, while leaving the rest with ssl_ecdh_curve auto
2024-03-26 16:59:10	Scimmia	outoftime: did you update the keyring earlier when trying to update?
2024-03-26 17:00:38	Scimmia	Assuming you did, that would disable the key and downgrading wouldn't re-enable it. Reset the keyring https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Resetting_all_the_keys
2024-03-26 17:00:39	phrik	Title: pacman/Package signing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-26 17:06:08	outoftime	Scimmia: I have reseted keyring
2024-03-26 17:06:33	outoftime	gpg: next trustdb check due at 2024-04-10
2024-03-26 17:07:43	outoftime	Now I should repeat `pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring` to grab it from archive and then forcefully upgrade via `pacman -Syyuu` right?
2024-03-26 17:08:54	Scimmia	you already have the keyring, just update
2024-03-26 17:15:02	outoftime	Scimmia: even more corrupted packages https://bpa.st/EDEA
2024-03-26 17:15:03	phrik	Title: View paste EDEA (at bpa.st)
2024-03-26 17:16:33	Scimmia	Unknown trust. Probably expired. Run pacman-key --refresh-keys
2024-03-26 17:16:42	badsektor	Scimmia: i did an efibootmgr -c -L newlabel, let me see how it will work out
2024-03-26 17:18:17	badsektor	Scimmia: didnt work heh
2024-03-26 17:19:32	snoriman	Hi, I'm working on a React Native project and looking into using Fastlane. Someone around who has used fastlane with RN before? There seem to be several different approaches to setting up FL and I'm cruious what you use?
2024-03-26 17:20:12	outoftime	Scimmia: gpg: refreshing 159 keys from hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net \n gpg: keyserver refresh failed: Server indicated a failure \n ==> ERROR: A specified local key could not be updated from a keyserver.
2024-03-26 17:24:36	ronillon	Hello, I just registered. In case I forget the registration password, can I recover it, say using the email address used for registration?
2024-03-26 17:24:49	Scimmia	outoftime: ug, pre-wkd
2024-03-26 17:25:01	grawity	generally the way it works is you get a new password instead of recovering the old one
2024-03-26 17:25:07	grawity	but where specifically did you register?
2024-03-26 17:25:37	Scimmia	not sure what to tell you from here
2024-03-26 17:28:39	ronillon	grawity, I followed https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_IRC_channels so the registration should be for "#archlinux and #archlinux-offtopic"
2024-03-26 17:28:41	phrik	Title: Arch IRC channels - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-26 17:29:54	ronillon	grawity, So I could go through the registration process again, with the same nick and email, but different password?
2024-03-26 17:30:18	ronillon	I guess that would be a way to change the password as well.
2024-03-26 17:32:26	grawity	ronillon: that registration would rather be for https://libera.chat as a whole
2024-03-26 17:32:27	phrik	Title: Libera Chat | A next-generation IRC network for FOSS projects collaboration! (at libera.chat)
2024-03-26 17:32:57	grawity	I don't remember what recovery procedure they use now but IIRC it's under /msg nickserv, like the rest
2024-03-26 17:36:55	ronillon	grawity, ah right, my bad. I was under the impression that the registration is for the specific channels, but seems as you say network wide
2024-03-26 17:38:22	ronillon	grawity, I think I will manage from here, now that I know what I'm dealing with. Thank you for your help and time. Cheers
2024-03-26 17:42:57	gromit	ronillon: yeah some channels require you to be registered (mostly due to spam issues in the past) but the registration is a general thing
2024-03-26 17:46:52	ronillon	gromit, yeah, that is understandable. What confused me was that the CHANNEL required me to REGISTER with the NETWORK. I was expecting the registration to be on a per channel basis.
2024-03-26 17:52:47	susi__	outoftime: you already did something, if it's actually downgrading packages now?
2024-03-26 17:55:37	drathir_tor	colo: seems like lts goes trought with same error tho similar to 2021.02 iso and just latest kernel have issues booting... now wonder why not saw error before if show under 2021 iso as well maybe switch into grub console mode just show it need revert all changes and see if it would show error at lts loading or not...
2024-03-26 18:01:39	killown	hi, does archlinux have a package for that https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/arm64/debug/python3.10-dbg? I want to enable py-bt in gdb
2024-03-26 18:01:41	hseg	How much space does a dev chroot take?
2024-03-26 18:01:56	outoftime	susi__: Scimmia: thank you all. I have just `SigLevel = Never` in '/etc/pacman.conf' and upgraded to newest version via `pacman -Syu`
2024-03-26 18:02:03	hseg	I want to check if my advice to remove a dep is valid
2024-03-26 18:02:04	Jhlorn	hseg: Try it, find out.
2024-03-26 18:02:09	hseg	...
2024-03-26 18:02:37	hseg	Have limited time+space, wanted to ask before I blow out my computer
2024-03-26 18:02:48	Jhlorn	hseg: It varies depending on what you put in, basically you have to have available all the libraries, binaries, and such in your chroot.
2024-03-26 18:03:24	Namarrgon	it's base+base-devel and then whatever the software pulls in as dependencies
2024-03-26 18:03:32	hseg	OK, thanks
2024-03-26 18:03:39	Namarrgon	you don't even need base, actually
2024-03-26 18:03:49	hseg	oh?
2024-03-26 18:03:51	gromit	hseg: 1.9G <-- /var/lib/archbuild/extra-testing-x86_64/chris-1
2024-03-26 18:04:02	hseg	ah, because those tools are shared with the host?
2024-03-26 18:04:05	hseg	gromit: ty!@
2024-03-26 18:04:28	gromit	hseg: I'd recommend to just use devtools instead of hacking together your own chroot
2024-03-26 18:04:40	hseg	oh definitely
2024-03-26 18:04:58	gromit	hseg: then you can just do "pkgctl build" and it will do the setup for your 
2024-03-26 18:05:01	gromit	* you
2024-03-26 18:05:08	hseg	nice
2024-03-26 18:10:08	novns	I managed to start Gnome with wayland
2024-03-26 18:10:21	novns	no more lags in gnome-terminal 
2024-03-26 18:10:28	novns	but
2024-03-26 18:10:45	novns	google-chrome does not display its window
2024-03-26 18:11:11	novns	but it's running
2024-03-26 18:12:17	espresso	novns, maybe running it from console would reveal some message? or checking journalctl
2024-03-26 18:12:18	novns	google-chrome.desktop[3338]: src/gbm_drv_common.c:130: GBM-DRV error (get_bytes_per_component): Unknown or not supported format: 808530000
2024-03-26 18:12:36	espresso	ah, I guess like that
2024-03-26 18:12:40	novns	here's the only error in logs
2024-03-26 18:12:50	novns	 repeated about 4 times
2024-03-26 18:13:07	gromit	novns: maybe https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Chromium#Native_Wayland_support or the tip above helps? 
2024-03-26 18:13:08	phrik	Title: Chromium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-26 18:16:28	novns	gromit, thanks!
2024-03-26 18:16:49	novns	why doesn't it detect wayland itself is another question
2024-03-26 18:17:26	novns	and a problem with guake (drop down terminal)
2024-03-26 18:17:55	novns	a lot of latency there and key presses are messed if I type fast
2024-03-26 18:19:00	gromit	novns: no clue, I dont use wayland myself .. I just know that there are flags available
2024-03-26 18:21:29	novns	gromit, I found this, GUAKE_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1
2024-03-26 18:21:41	novns	it works correctly now
2024-03-26 18:22:55	hseg	OK, so OTOH this does take care of the chroot faff, but OTOH this exposes a dumbass mistake I made setting up this computer -- I gave /var a way too small partition, and / a way too large one
2024-03-26 18:23:05	hseg	(20G and 80G respectively)
2024-03-26 18:23:37	hseg	Won't be able to change this soon, any way I can get pkgctl to install the chroot under eg /run ?
2024-03-26 18:23:57	hseg	oh wait, /run is a tmpfs, which is even more constrained
2024-03-26 18:26:29	masterkorp	Hey, can you help me troubleshoot my screen sharing under wayland and gnome ? 
2024-03-26 18:26:42	masterkorp	I cannot get google meets to find any screen 
2024-03-26 18:27:08	masterkorp	I have installed the xdg-desktop-portal and xdg-desktop-portal-gnome
2024-03-26 18:28:40	masterkorp	still nothing 
2024-03-26 18:29:01	hseg	ah... 8 GB is spent on the pacman cache, another 6 on the hibernation file
2024-03-26 18:32:18	novns	and another problem, gnome-tweak doesn't set font settings
2024-03-26 18:32:30	novns	and it forgets changes on the next launch
2024-03-26 18:36:15	gromit	hseg: then do a pacman cache clean and maybe activate the paccache timer https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Cleaning_the_package_cache
2024-03-26 18:36:17	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-26 18:36:46	drathir_tor	hseg: thats true wipe pacman cache in most case is fast way to free extra space...
2024-03-26 18:38:34	hseg	yeah, just configured the timer to be even more aggressive, it worked!
2024-03-26 18:38:43	drathir_tor	hseg: also You can merge /var with / check /var/log time to time as well...
2024-03-26 18:39:47	novns	https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-tweaks/-/issues/482#note_2061332
2024-03-26 18:39:50	phrik	Title: Gnome Tweaks 46.beta not saving new font selection (#482) · Issues · GNOME / GNOME Tweaks · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
2024-03-26 18:39:58	novns	they will fix this
2024-03-26 18:40:12	hseg	Bonus, now I can actually test things out!
2024-03-26 18:40:14	hseg	thanks!
2024-03-26 18:40:18	gromit	hseg: ^_^
2024-03-26 18:48:30	outoftime	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/docker-compose/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads for some reason `docker compose version` reports "dev" instead of "2.26.0" it breaks my version check in the pipeline...
2024-03-26 18:48:32	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / docker-compose · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-03-26 18:53:51	WizeWizard	Foxboron: noticed you mentioned me sometime earlier, what was going on about software release news? i didn't say anything about that
2024-03-26 18:54:40	Foxboron	WizeWizard: You said "News section"
2024-03-26 18:57:20	outoftime	Where can I ask why `docker compose version` reports "dev" instead of "2.26.0"?
2024-03-26 18:58:50	WizeWizard	i haven't said anything in this channel for at least a couple days. weird
2024-03-26 19:00:02	Scimmia	It was a tabfail, supposed to be WinterStar
2024-03-26 19:00:39	espresso	outoftime: perhaps https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/docker-compose/-/issues ?
2024-03-26 19:00:40	phrik	Title: Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / docker-compose · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-03-26 19:04:39	outoftime	espresso: registration is closed, I have already asked to "let me in" via email
2024-03-26 19:06:38	outoftime	BTW, is there a better way to get package version other than `pacman -Q | grep -i docker-compose | cut -d ' ' -f 2`?
2024-03-26 19:07:23	Antiz	outoftime: you don't have to grep
2024-03-26 19:07:44	Antiz	outoftime: `pacman -Q docker-compose | cut -d '' -f 2` is enough
2024-03-26 19:08:22	Jhlorn	And if using this in a script, you could just read this in a `read` command
2024-03-26 19:08:27	Foxboron	outoftime: I've already gotten one email on this
2024-03-26 19:08:31	outoftime	Antiz: not what I expected but thanks
2024-03-26 19:08:35	Foxboron	outoftime: they have changed something in their build system without documenting it
2024-03-26 19:08:52	outoftime	Foxboron: their make file looks valid for me
2024-03-26 19:09:01	Foxboron	outoftime: we don't use the makefile\
2024-03-26 19:10:19	outoftime	I mean makefile for compose plugin from https://codeload.github.com/docker/compose/tar.gz/refs/tags/v2.26.0 has nice version resolution, I'm not sure why it is "dev". Maybe some go code bolow does nice smart staff
2024-03-26 19:10:33	outoftime	s/bolow/below/
2024-03-26 19:11:31	Antiz	outoftime: "not what I expected but thanks" <-- Well, except if the software itself has a built in way to get the version (like -V/--version), there's no better way to get the version of the package (except the grep part is useless) :)
2024-03-26 19:11:42	Foxboron	Antiz: You are answering the wrong question because outoftime is not being clear
2024-03-26 19:11:52	Foxboron	Antiz: shit is breaking because the Version isn't reported :p
2024-03-26 19:12:12	outoftime	Yeah, pacman is a workaround
2024-03-26 19:12:47	Antiz	I mean.. I got that x)
2024-03-26 19:13:03	Foxboron	Antiz: ah sorry
2024-03-26 19:13:14	Antiz	"outoftime: BTW, is there a better way to get package version than [...]" <-- Yes, you could remove the useless grep part :P
2024-03-26 19:13:20	outoftime	Foxboron: I'm not int he mood to follow go code for compose to figure out exact issue..
2024-03-26 19:13:54	outoftime	Thanks for feedback btw
2024-03-26 19:14:15	Foxboron	outoftime: I'm not expecting you to. I'm aware of the issue and will look at it when I can be bothered
2024-03-26 19:14:18	Foxboron	Probably tomorrow
2024-03-26 19:15:02	outoftime	Nice
2024-03-26 19:19:35	badsektor	if i add myself to a new group, do i need to reboot for it to take effect?
2024-03-26 19:20:44	colo	does anyone here successfully use krfb to share a KDE Plasma 6 wayland session via VNC? whenever I do, krfb dumps core after a few seconds (esp. when interacting with firefox in the rfb session...). I'd be glad if anyone could try to reproduce.
2024-03-26 19:22:01	yitz	badsektor: you can log out and back in. Or run newgrp
2024-03-26 19:22:17	yitz	(which gives you a new process where it takes effect)
2024-03-26 19:22:52	badsektor	thanks
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2024-03-26 19:56:18	archdummy	Yo my heroessssssssss y'all can read me? :$
2024-03-26 19:57:31	archdummy	<3 Got there explaining my issue on #archlinux-aur first
2024-03-26 19:58:04	archdummy	TL;DR I'm not on a hardware capable of using the element chatroom rn, as my dailydriver just broke
2024-03-26 19:58:17	archdummy	I can't boot after shrinking /root to expand /home
2024-03-26 19:58:26	archdummy	mind if I post the bbs forum link of my issue ?
2024-03-26 19:58:32	archdummy	Or I'll get banned doing so?
2024-03-26 20:00:01	Namarrgon	can you post the link to the bbs
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2024-03-26 20:00:34	Namarrgon	*you can post
2024-03-26 20:00:37	archdummy	Thanks my brother here it is
2024-03-26 20:00:38	archdummy	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2159948#p2159948
2024-03-26 20:00:39	phrik	Title: Can't boot after shrinking root (/) to expand /home / Laptop Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-26 20:01:15	mefistofeles	how to record the desktop playback with pipewire? I tried the guide in https://manual.audacityteam.org/man/tutorial_recording_computer_playback_on_linux.html but I don't get any recording devices in pavucontrol
2024-03-26 20:01:17	phrik	Title: Tutorial - Recording Computer Playback on Linux - Audacity Manual (at manual.audacityteam.org)
2024-03-26 20:01:17	Jhlorn	archdummy: Some history of what all you've done could very much be helpful.
2024-03-26 20:01:46	archdummy	  Hello, I tried few stuff, e.g # mount -a mount: /home: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/nvme0n1p8, missing codepage or helper program, or other error  Was running out of space after downloading/launching/messing with android studio, it even shutdown my browser instance with all my opened tabs without my consent (RAM wasn't near maxed out). So I used the disk resizer and re
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2024-03-26 20:02:20	archdummy	and restarted but then it always get me on the black console view "You are in emergency mode. After logging in, type "journalctl -xb" to view blabla  Used vi to change the /etc/fstab file line regarding root folder from error stuff to "defaults" but it didn't solve the issue.
2024-03-26 20:02:33	archdummy	Was trying couple live USB sticks, kali 2020ish didn't work, kubuntu 20 did work but couldn't move the 60 gigs unallocated (coming from root partition) past the extreme right of home partition. So I re-burnt it to mint edge 6.X kernel, couldn't boot. Then LMDE debian latest, couldn't boot on it either. Now trying latest ubuntu just to try gparted instead of common disk resizer utility, but i
2024-03-26 20:02:53	archdummy	but it won't finish downloading.  Any CLI I could try in the meantime?
2024-03-26 20:02:57	Namarrgon	archdummy: there really was no need to copy-paste into the channel after posting the link
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2024-03-26 20:03:17	archdummy	Thought Jhlorn was afraid to click it :$$$
2024-03-26 20:03:30	Jhlorn	archdummy, I meant history of what you actually did. Like, how did you resize it all, what did you actually do?
2024-03-26 20:03:43	archdummy	Ah my bad
2024-03-26 20:03:50	archdummy	through the KDE disk resizer
2024-03-26 20:04:11	Jhlorn	Did you resize to the left, or to the right?
2024-03-26 20:04:24	Jhlorn	From beginning or the end?
2024-03-26 20:04:26	archdummy	Layout was like : root > swap > home iirc
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2024-03-26 20:05:18	archdummy	I asked a combo of operations : 1) shrink root, 2) move newly made unallocated space after swap, 3) move further to the right after home, 4) extend home
2024-03-26 20:05:48	Jhlorn	Well, I hope you have backups. :)
2024-03-26 20:05:56	archdummy	somehow it finished without throwing errors, however in the end I only got 60gigs on the right of home
2024-03-26 20:06:09	archdummy	Shit, not even è_é
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2024-03-26 20:06:47	archdummy	5 years worth of notes are in here homie I need to retrieve it :'(
2024-03-26 20:06:49	Jhlorn	Resize and move operations like that, can be quite destructive, especially if you don't really know what you're doing, but even if you do!
2024-03-26 20:06:49	MasterOfDisaster	You can try using testdisk to restore your GPT/MBR.
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2024-03-26 20:07:24	archdummy	it's a windows utility or runs on live stick?
2024-03-26 20:07:25	MasterOfDisaster	Take a backup of the entire disk, put it away and work on the copy.
2024-03-26 20:07:43	MasterOfDisaster	testdisk is on sysresccd which you can run from a stick
2024-03-26 20:08:16	archdummy	So I need a spare 500GB drive? :'(
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2024-03-26 20:08:30	MasterOfDisaster	I'd strongly recommend that.
2024-03-26 20:08:39	Jhlorn	I concurr!
2024-03-26 20:08:47	MasterOfDisaster	I mean, a 1T NVMe SSD is like 100EUR.
2024-03-26 20:08:57	MasterOfDisaster	It's not the end of the world
2024-03-26 20:09:15	MasterOfDisaster	If you're lucky, your data still sits there.
2024-03-26 20:09:22	archdummy	Yo how y'all guessed I'm currently in the EU ? x_x
2024-03-26 20:09:36	MasterOfDisaster	But you should insulate yourself from further oopses
2024-03-26 20:09:39	archdummy	i'm paranoid btw be gentle :'(
2024-03-26 20:09:46	archdummy	I'll do it thanks
2024-03-26 20:10:20	MasterOfDisaster	Didn't guess, I am too from .eu - just quoted the price I recently paid :-)
2024-03-26 20:10:24	archdummy	Ok so recipe is 1TB nvme, testdisk on a live stick, and?
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2024-03-26 20:11:09	archdummy	Btw the other issue is I can't boot any livestick for some reason
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2024-03-26 20:11:39	archdummy	kali didn't work, kde did but I rewrote it with mint, which doesn't boot, LMDE 6 either
2024-03-26 20:12:00	Namarrgon	does the arch iso boot?
2024-03-26 20:12:10	archdummy	Ubuntu won't achieve downloading, either their server is fucked up or my oldie is running out of storage (more probable)
2024-03-26 20:12:11	Namarrgon	what does kde partitionmanager use under the hood?
2024-03-26 20:12:32	archdummy	idk for the 2 answers
2024-03-26 20:12:39	archdummy	I don't have the arch stick anymore
2024-03-26 20:13:00	archdummy	and was assuming arch install is still all CLI as it used to be
2024-03-26 20:13:01	Namarrgon	you call that being paranoid? no backups, no archiso
2024-03-26 20:13:09	archdummy	without any desktop/GUI/resizing utility
2024-03-26 20:13:12	MasterOfDisaster	(1) get yourself another system disk, set up your OS and continue working. (2) Use another disk to dd the disk you b0rked to (3) use testdisk on your regular system to work on the image you dd'd to the backup disk
2024-03-26 20:13:18	demonicmaniac1	has any asked yet whether maybe just label/partition/etc changed?
2024-03-26 20:13:20	Jhlorn	Humm... I'm not sure, I think KDE Partition Manager is very similar to GParted, but what it uses, may be custom to itself?
2024-03-26 20:13:34	demonicmaniac1	maybe it's just fstab being "wrong" with old label/partition/bla
2024-03-26 20:13:46	Jhlorn	Oh! NO! Just confirmed! KDE Partition Manager is in fact a GNU parted front-end.
2024-03-26 20:13:55	demonicmaniac1	like what's the output of blkid -c /dev/null
2024-03-26 20:14:07	MasterOfDisaster	(4) buy a NAS for backup, and (5) use borgmatic to backup your stuff regularly.
2024-03-26 20:14:43	Jhlorn	borgmatic, vorta, or restic and resticprofile, something, Backups are important for a healthy state of actual insurance.
2024-03-26 20:14:58	archdummy	@demonic yeah I skimmed through these when googling the issue
2024-03-26 20:15:51	archdummy	wait for it trying it rn
2024-03-26 20:16:36	MasterOfDisaster	It's amazing how easy backup can be set up with one of those - borgmatic's my favourite.
2024-03-26 20:17:16	MasterOfDisaster	Considering what a PITA "professional" solutions can be.
2024-03-26 20:17:16	archdummy	label "SYSTEM" and "Windows" for the 200gigs windows partition
2024-03-26 20:17:24	archdummy	then all the linux partitions have an UUID
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2024-03-26 20:17:45	Jhlorn	MasterOfDisaster, I'm only disturbed by borgmatic's recent majorly drastic change in format, and how resticprofile allows 4 different configuration formats to be used, and actually copy backups from one repository to another for onsite/offsite backups.
2024-03-26 20:17:56	archdummy	So it's robust against reboots and not prompt to breakage as if it was named sda n stuff, as I read on google, @demonic?
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2024-03-26 20:18:24	demonicmaniac1	that's not what i'm saying. it depends what resizing does in terms of maybe generating a new uuid/partuuid
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2024-03-26 20:18:43	archdummy	ah got you
2024-03-26 20:18:44	MasterOfDisaster	Jhlorn: you mean borg's repo format or borgmatic's config file format?
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2024-03-26 20:19:05	demonicmaniac1	the question is does blkid list the partitions with correct filesystems or not
2024-03-26 20:19:35	demonicmaniac1	and is also / borked and not just ~?
2024-03-26 20:19:43	Jhlorn	MasterOfDisaster, neither, actually. I was talking more about restic in that, but for the configuration, borgmatic's yaml format recently drastically changed. 
2024-03-26 20:19:51	archdummy	n1p6 : ext4, n1p7: swap, n1p8 : ext4
2024-03-26 20:19:55	archdummy	so yes I think
2024-03-26 20:20:17	archdummy	what does borked mean?
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2024-03-26 20:20:22	demonicmaniac1	and trying to mount those partitions from a livecd of any kind after booting just the live system shows nothing in those?
2024-03-26 20:20:36	demonicmaniac1	or fails to mount as well?
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2024-03-26 20:20:50	archdummy	Can't mount nothing since I reflashed the kub live
2024-03-26 20:20:51	MasterOfDisaster	Jhlorn: yeah, they removed some hierarchy - was a little messy but didn't phase me too much. the client nagged you enough to notice it.
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2024-03-26 20:21:25	archdummy	I go in UEFI and discard all options except USB HDD, then at boot options, when clicking the return key, it will endlessly bring me back on boot options
2024-03-26 20:21:53	demonicmaniac1	wait you're saying you can't even boot a live system from usb?
2024-03-26 20:22:06	archdummy	exactly
2024-03-26 20:22:11	demonicmaniac1	o.O
2024-03-26 20:22:23	MasterOfDisaster	archdummy: did you mess with Secure Boot?
2024-03-26 20:22:27	Jhlorn	MasterOfDisaster, Unless you run borgmatic automatically, nightly, like it's intended to be run.
2024-03-26 20:22:28	MasterOfDisaster	Try disabling it
2024-03-26 20:22:30	archdummy	tho it worked for a while with kubuntu 20, which i don't have on hands no more
2024-03-26 20:22:35	demonicmaniac1	that's probably something nobody got and everybody just thought you screwed up your installed arch
2024-03-26 20:22:38	espresso	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Rsync#Full_system_backup works too (add --dry-run to test, --delete for a mirror)
2024-03-26 20:22:39	phrik	Title: rsync - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-26 20:23:20	MasterOfDisaster	Jhlorn: True - I do check backups from time to time with borgmatic rlist - it whined about it then.
2024-03-26 20:23:27	archdummy	Ok @Master brb
2024-03-26 20:23:35	archdummy	trying it rn
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2024-03-26 20:25:53	archdummy	@Master SecureBoot is already disabled for some reason
2024-03-26 20:26:02	archdummy	what does it imply?
2024-03-26 20:26:21	MasterOfDisaster	That your boot media could be legacy boot and not UEFI
2024-03-26 20:26:28	MasterOfDisaster	try that
2024-03-26 20:27:22	archdummy	Startup is set on "UEFI/Legacy : Both, UEFI first"
2024-03-26 20:27:41	archdummy	trying legacy 1st rn, brb
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2024-03-26 20:29:12	archdummy	Ye it changes nothing
2024-03-26 20:29:26	archdummy	Bootloop on bootmenu even tho I select the USB stick
2024-03-26 20:29:41	Jhlorn	You're having problems booting ArchISO and SystemRescueCD?
2024-03-26 20:30:00	archdummy	I mean no bootloop but I get brought back to boot menu each time I press on the live stick
2024-03-26 20:30:00	MasterOfDisaster	And you've booted from this in the past? I mean like it's set up now?
2024-03-26 20:30:16	MasterOfDisaster	If not, you messed something up creating the stick.
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2024-03-26 20:30:37	archdummy	@Jhlorn I have issues booting any live stick of any distro, except kubuntu 20 which worked smh
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2024-03-26 20:31:09	Jhlorn	archdummy, Is this on a single USB thumb drive, or have you tried others?
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2024-03-26 20:31:41	Jhlorn	And do you have access to another computer to manage setting up such a USB thumb drive with an ISO?
2024-03-26 20:31:44	archdummy	I've tried a kali stick that uses to work recently for other usecases, even set it to persistent n stuff -> didn't work
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2024-03-26 20:32:02	Jhlorn	I'm not willing to help with anything related to Kali, that's not a good distribution to use for recovery purposes.
2024-03-26 20:32:07	archdummy	that stick hardware worked for kubuntu20 live, but since it's been reflashed it doesn't to boot anymore
2024-03-26 20:32:21	archdummy	I can't have blown it up using dd and etcher can I ?
2024-03-26 20:32:26	Jhlorn	No,.
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2024-03-26 20:32:53	archdummy	yes the computer from which I'm chatting rn
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2024-03-26 20:32:57	akik	archdummy: when you write a usb stick, you have to ensure it's not mounted
2024-03-26 20:32:58	archdummy	I burn sticks from there
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2024-03-26 20:33:19	archdummy	Yes @akik I ensured this
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2024-03-26 20:34:28	Jhlorn	But, what I can recommend is if you can, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<device> bs=4096 count=2048. This will erase and zero out the first 8MB of the USB drive. After that dd or write your ISO to it, or better, install Ventoy on it and be able to drop in multiple ISO files onto it that you can boot into.
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2024-03-26 20:36:27	archdummy	Oh actually I have a ventoy stick already lemme see what's in there brb
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2024-03-26 20:37:59	archdummy	nah it directly skip to the grub
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2024-03-26 20:38:27	Jhlorn	archdummy: Go back to UEFI boot instead of Legacy if you enabled it as you mentioned earlier.
2024-03-26 20:38:45	archdummy	ah good point thanks
2024-03-26 20:38:51	Jhlorn	And use the BIOS Boot Selector option to insure you can boot the USB. Usually F11.
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2024-03-26 20:39:30	ronillon	or F9 on some boards for quick boot select menu
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2024-03-26 20:41:11	Jhlorn	Yes, unfortunately this is different for each motherboard or system. Sometimes it'll show on screen during POST, sometimes you have to hit ESC to see it on screen, and sometimes, you just start mashing entire blocks of F-keys until it gets to the right one, rebooting each time it goes beyond POST.
2024-03-26 20:41:34	archdummy	Nah back to the boop options loop this time
2024-03-26 20:41:50	archdummy	So even ventoy won't load :'(
2024-03-26 20:41:51	Jhlorn	Did you get the Boot Selector?
2024-03-26 20:42:02	archdummy	Boot menu on a thinkpad yes
2024-03-26 20:42:09	archdummy	picked usb hdd lexar
2024-03-26 20:42:17	Jhlorn	Was it UEFI?
2024-03-26 20:42:24	archdummy	yes sir
2024-03-26 20:42:28	greentail	Hi. I'm getting the ECONNRESET error when running npx with docusaurus. What's a good channel to ask about that?
2024-03-26 20:42:46	Jhlorn	Seems you have more of a hardware problem then.
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2024-03-26 20:43:56	archdummy	will open its guts brb
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2024-03-26 20:54:02	greentail	If I'm getting an ECONNRESET error from npx, is it possible that it's due to my ArchLinux configuration? 
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2024-03-26 21:02:26	kevr	it's possible, but not probable
2024-03-26 21:02:57	mefistofeles	!as
2024-03-26 21:02:57	phrik	Arch Sucks™
2024-03-26 21:04:26	kevr	greentail: this is doable if you, for example, replace the hosts that npx is using with hosts that lead to nowhere on your machine, or setup some firewall rules to force this to happen, but it's likely that you would remember if you made some kind of change like that.
2024-03-26 21:04:53	kevr	and there's not much purpose
2024-03-26 21:05:02	kevr	it's an outgoing connection, after all
2024-03-26 21:05:38	MasterOfDisaster	@greentail: My guesses are company firewall, adblocking, domain filters or similar shenanigans. Nothing per se to do with Arch.
2024-03-26 21:05:46	kevr	+1
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2024-03-26 21:06:02	greentail	kevr: my `/etc/hosts` file is empty. Is that what you were talking about? 
2024-03-26 21:06:10	kevr	yes
2024-03-26 21:06:25	greentail	kevr: so my hosts file should not be empty? 
2024-03-26 21:06:33	kevr	i didn't say that
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2024-03-26 21:06:54	kevr	although, typically hosts files do contain localhost[.localdomain] information
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2024-03-26 21:08:28	kevr	greentail: if i were you, i would try to test on a different WAN connection than you're currently using, so that you can eliminate factors in the equation
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2024-03-26 21:10:26	greentail	kevr: I ran the command at the end of the follwoing github webpage, without the `-g` , and it was successfull with no errors. What does that mean? 
2024-03-26 21:10:27	MasterOfDisaster	greentail: add at least localhost for v4 and v6 to your /etc/hosts, and try e.g. usb tethering your computer via your phone if it doesn't work on your regular connection
2024-03-26 21:10:28	greentail	https://github.blog/2021-08-23-npm-registry-deprecating-tls-1-0-tls-1-1/
2024-03-26 21:10:30	phrik	Title: The npm registry is deprecating TLS 1.0 and TLS 1.1 - The GitHub Blog (at github.blog)
2024-03-26 21:11:07	greentail	The npx command I'm using is the one from here: https://docusaurus.io/docs/installation#scaffold-project-website
2024-03-26 21:11:08	phrik	Title: Installation | Docusaurus (at docusaurus.io)
2024-03-26 21:11:52	MasterOfDisaster	greentail: have you looked at the failing traffic with Wireshark or tcpdump?
2024-03-26 21:11:57	MasterOfDisaster	that might help
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2024-03-26 21:13:26	greentail	MasterOfDisaster: after I add ipv6 to my hosts file, do I have to reboot my PC? 
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2024-03-26 21:13:56	MasterOfDisaster	no
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2024-03-26 21:14:15	MasterOfDisaster	you might need to restart systemd-resolved though if you use it
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2024-03-26 21:15:25	drathir_tor	colo: last working which im sure of was 6.7.4.arch1-1 and upgrade to 6.8.1.arch1-1 seems broken... and kaslr output seems to be not visable without forced GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT=console which is probably why iso from 2021 show it as well bc get console output enabled... thats could mean also issue with latest kernel could be related to someting else than that kaslr message...
2024-03-26 21:15:26	kevr	greentail: which command specifically gave you ECONNRESET?
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2024-03-26 21:16:11	kevr	with npx 10.2.5, the `npx create-docusaurus@latest my-website classic` step works fine for me.
2024-03-26 21:16:14	greentail	MasterOfDisaster: how can i tell whether I'm using systemd-resolved or not? 
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2024-03-26 21:16:31	drathir_tor	greentail: in theory arch should works just fine in most cases with empty /etc/hosts 
2024-03-26 21:16:35	greentail	kevr: the command `npx create-docusaurus@latest my-website classic` ; it gives me ECONNRESET error
2024-03-26 21:16:43	kevr	what version of npx do you have
2024-03-26 21:16:47	kevr	`npx --version`
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2024-03-26 21:17:07	greentail	kevr: 10.5.0
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2024-03-26 21:17:17	kevr	hm
2024-03-26 21:17:23	MasterOfDisaster	greentail: if /etc/resolv.conf symlinks to /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf
2024-03-26 21:17:33	kevr	greentail: is this reproducible if you run it again, every time?
2024-03-26 21:17:57	kevr	i really wonder if this was some sort of short network disconnect or something
2024-03-26 21:18:38	greentail	kevr: I've run that npx command at least 10 times in the last 2 hours. 
2024-03-26 21:18:40	MasterOfDisaster	greentail: Try capturing traffic during your attempt with tcpdump or Wireshark. ECONNRESET tells us nothing
2024-03-26 21:18:54	MasterOfDisaster	It just "uh duh network bad"
2024-03-26 21:19:07	kevr	gotcha
2024-03-26 21:19:18	greentail	MasterOfDisaster: what tcpdump command should I use in this case? I'll check the archWiki
2024-03-26 21:19:41	drathir_tor	also run mtr on destination host could show if there is conection loss...
2024-03-26 21:20:11	MasterOfDisaster	If you aren't savvy in tcpdump, I recommend Wireshark
2024-03-26 21:20:26	drathir_tor	to made sure its not dns related do both ip and domain...
2024-03-26 21:20:29	MasterOfDisaster	For tcpdump, it's pretty much tcpdump -i any -vvv -nnn
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2024-03-26 21:21:07	greentail	drathir_tor: what would be the destination host in this case? 
2024-03-26 21:21:42	greentail	MasterOfDisaster: I have never used wireshark either, but I'll check the archwiki
2024-03-26 21:22:35	MasterOfDisaster	If you aren't familiar with diagnosing network problems, tcpdump's output can be daunting.
2024-03-26 21:23:42	MasterOfDisaster	Wireshark still needs you to know stuff, but it more lenient if you don't exactly know what you are looking for.
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2024-03-26 21:24:01	drathir_tor	greentail: ideallty some domain which application use but if that not possible to trace and if that is system wide issue use of google com and 8.8.8.8 could works as well...
2024-03-26 21:24:20	kevr	it'd probably be best to just capture to a pcap file and provide it to the channel so we could take a look
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2024-03-26 21:25:04	MasterOfDisaster	Beware though that it will likely include *all* traffic during capture if you don't know how to filter.
2024-03-26 21:25:37	MasterOfDisaster	Which is what you want for troubleshooting, but not for sending to random people on the Internet.
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2024-03-26 21:26:17	greentail	MasterOfDisaster: thanks for the heads up
2024-03-26 21:26:41	Juest	is there a guide to convert a system from other initds to systemd?
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2024-03-26 21:27:13	greentail	I just ran tshark, and it returns permission denied. The wiki says I should add my user to the wireshark group, so I guess that's the reason of the error
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2024-03-26 21:27:32	kevr	yes
2024-03-26 21:27:47	MasterOfDisaster	greentail: all good commands are supposed to be run as root :->
2024-03-26 21:28:20	greentail	MasterOfDisaster: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wireshark#Capturing_privileges
2024-03-26 21:28:22	phrik	Title: Wireshark - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-26 21:28:32	greentail	MasterOfDisaster: the wiki says to never run wireshark as root
2024-03-26 21:29:11	MasterOfDisaster	pansies
2024-03-26 21:29:31	MasterOfDisaster	But yeah, follow the wiki
2024-03-26 21:29:55	greentail	these type of cases are quite frustrating, when the wiki says "do Y", but the community says "do not do Y"
2024-03-26 21:30:17	MasterOfDisaster	I usually capture with tcpdump (as root) and use Wireshark as a Viewer
2024-03-26 21:30:33	Juest	that's worse than just using wireshark as intended
2024-03-26 21:30:57	Juest	and apparently for some reason wireshark does not specify tcpdump as a optional dependency
2024-03-26 21:31:14	kevr	greentail: a capability that these sniffers need is CAP_SETPCAP, which is not available to any standard user by default, root would have that capability, but the binary/gid can be used to give a user that capability when executing a particular binary with the right attributes
2024-03-26 21:31:27	kevr	so, essentially, doing it as root right now is achieving the same thing as making your user capable
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2024-03-26 21:31:49	kevr	as a rule of thumb, the less root use, the better, so that's still a good general rule of thumb.
2024-03-26 21:31:51	Juest	long term and for the sake of system hygiene its preferable to assign the user the group
2024-03-26 21:31:58	kevr	+1
2024-03-26 21:31:59	greentail	Juest: should I use tcpdump instead of wireshark?  
2024-03-26 21:32:25	MasterOfDisaster	greentail: either way is fine
2024-03-26 21:32:38	Juest	greentail: use wireshark directly to capture, do you want live output or browse a existing capture? its more user friendly to use wireshark to capture imo
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2024-03-26 21:33:13	MasterOfDisaster	Juest: depending on the user's experience and circumstances though.
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2024-03-26 21:33:21	MasterOfDisaster	No fun on headless servers.
2024-03-26 21:33:22	Juest	i understand, thanks for pointing out, MasterOfDisaster 
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2024-03-26 21:35:06	MasterOfDisaster	greentail: the info in the wiki does its best to please everyone and keep the hapless ones from shooting themselves in the foot. (or well, it should).
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2024-03-26 21:35:47	MasterOfDisaster	Advice given here might vary due to what you are trying to achieve right now :-)
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2024-03-26 21:36:49	greentail	MasterOfDisaster: what's a headless server? Are servers supposed to have a head?  
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2024-03-26 21:37:26	Juest	greentail: server without physical display/keyboard/mouse typically remote machines
2024-03-26 21:37:38	MasterOfDisaster	exactly
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2024-03-26 21:38:59	MasterOfDisaster	you mean this? https://goaccess.io/
2024-03-26 21:39:00	phrik	Title: GoAccess - Visual Web Log Analyzer (at goaccess.io)
2024-03-26 21:39:39	MasterOfDisaster	greentail is talking (as far as I understood) about a phenomenon on a desktop/laptop, not a webserver
2024-03-26 21:40:09	MasterOfDisaster	An outgoing connection, not an inbound one to the web server
2024-03-26 21:40:24	MasterOfDisaster	So that tool won't help
2024-03-26 21:40:55	greentail	MasterOfDisaster: it's a desktop PC, yes. Nice to learn about the existence of tools like GoAccess though
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2024-03-26 21:41:56	greentail	I just ran `sudo tcpdump -i any -vvv -nnn` ; and now a bunch of lines are showing up on my terminal. What should I do next? 
2024-03-26 21:42:16	MasterOfDisaster	Run your npx command
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2024-03-26 21:43:50	MasterOfDisaster	show us then a pastebin of the lines starting from when you called npx until it dies.
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2024-03-26 21:44:55	greentail	MasterOfDisaster: the lines are coming in nonstop. How can I capture a pastebin from that?
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2024-03-26 21:45:14	MasterOfDisaster	Hit Ctrl-C, copy and paste
2024-03-26 21:45:40	MasterOfDisaster	You can also "| tee out.log" it
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2024-03-26 21:46:14	MasterOfDisaster	but it won't stop on its own, to stop capture you need to press Ctrl-C.
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2024-03-26 21:47:44	MasterOfDisaster	You can also add "-w out.pcap" which will dump *all* traffic to the file which you can afterwards view in Wireshark or pass on to us - with the caveat I gave earlier.
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2024-03-26 21:51:26	greentail	MasterOfDisaster: I just ran npx while having tcpdump running, and this time npx returned no errors. No ECONNRESET or anything. 
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2024-03-26 21:51:37	MasterOfDisaster	Lovely
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2024-03-26 21:52:00	MasterOfDisaster	tcpdump doesn't change anything, it just captures.
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2024-03-26 21:52:37	MasterOfDisaster	So you likely suffered an intermittent problem that was fixed by whoever operates the servers npx connects to.
2024-03-26 21:53:01	MasterOfDisaster	If that happens again, dump traffic as discussed and inspect it.
2024-03-26 21:53:30	Earnestly	BrainDamage: (I may have mentioned this, but setting ignore_dB=1 in module-udev-detect with pulseaudio appears to have solved the issue of audio dipping (and then popping) during silent pauses/moments in audio)
2024-03-26 21:54:24	MasterOfDisaster	greentail: https://www.logicmonitor.com/blog/tracking-down-failed-tcp-connections-and-rst-packets/
2024-03-26 21:54:25	phrik	Title: Tracking Down Failed TCP Connections and RST Packets | LogicMonitor (at www.logicmonitor.com)
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2024-03-26 21:54:47	greentail	MasterOfDisaster: and kevr , thank you all for the help! I learned some cool things in the process :) 
2024-03-26 21:54:50	MasterOfDisaster	Here's a writeup of a similar occurrence, including what to look out for
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2024-03-26 21:55:12	kevr	greentail: oh, well, i'm glad it got resolved for you, but i do wonder what it was
2024-03-26 21:55:13	MasterOfDisaster	Flags [R.] <-- is the dead giveaway here
2024-03-26 21:55:55	kevr	ah
2024-03-26 21:56:13	kevr	nice
2024-03-26 21:56:47	greentail	kevr: wait, what's nice? is the Flags thing related to my npx problem? 
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2024-03-26 21:57:44	kevr	that it seemed to just be an intermittent issue
2024-03-26 21:58:00	kevr	definitely happens here and there
2024-03-26 21:58:53	greentail	MasterOfDisaster: what's the meaning of "Flags R"? And where is that from? 
2024-03-26 21:59:16	MasterOfDisaster	greentail: that's from the tcpdump output in the link I sent
2024-03-26 22:00:10	MasterOfDisaster	The "R" means that your connection attempt was terminated by the remote host with a TCP Reset (hence the R flag in the TCP header) 
2024-03-26 22:00:38	MasterOfDisaster	The sample shows how to recognize this - in case you encounter it again
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2024-03-26 22:07:07	greentail	MasterOfDisaster: thanks
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2024-03-26 22:12:07	latef_02	hello guys i have a problem in my arch i want switch between tty i use crl+alt f1 for tty1 f4 for tty4 i can go back to tty1 and also i cant switch to tty3 5 6 7 is just a black screen 
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2024-03-26 22:21:08	greentail	latef_02: can you run commands in the terminal? 
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2024-03-26 22:22:18	latef_02	greentail, yes but just in the tty4 i cant go back to any other tty ican just switch by the cmd chvt (number) not with shortcut
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2024-03-26 22:24:21	greentail	latef_02: what's the output of uname -r 
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2024-03-26 22:25:56	latef_02	6.8.1-arch1-1
2024-03-26 22:26:14	latef_02	greentail, 6.8.1-arch1-1
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2024-03-26 22:27:17	jenia2	Hello
2024-03-26 22:27:43	jenia2	My sound card simply disappeared. I don't have the option to use the built in audio in my laptop
2024-03-26 22:28:00	jenia2	what should I try to do?
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2024-03-26 22:28:39	greentail	latef_02: try the LTS kernel
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2024-03-26 22:29:53	samhain666	I have a question related to mdadm
2024-03-26 22:30:33	samhain666	When I run mdadm --detail on a raid array the Name: field has <hostname:/dev/md<array#>
2024-03-26 22:30:46	samhain666	Some arrays have the path and some just have the md#
2024-03-26 22:30:53	samhain666	How do I get the name to contain the path?
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2024-03-26 22:31:09	samhain666	I tried to use --name in the --assemble, but it complains about POSIX
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2024-03-26 22:32:17	samhain666	I know there is a way since I have done it before, but can't remember how
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2024-03-26 22:36:46	⚡ 	cloudowind greets everyone 
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2024-03-26 22:38:49	DQuinn	Does anyone know how to install Arch when I have another linux installed?
2024-03-26 22:39:52	gromit	!anyone
2024-03-26 22:39:54	phrik	Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2024-03-26 22:40:14	Namarrgon	you can follow the regular installation guide
2024-03-26 22:40:14	kevr	DQuinn: the installation guide, but you need to keep in mind that you have another linux os installed in some of your partitions, and you probably don't want to eradicate those.
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2024-03-26 22:40:31	cloudowind	you could rsync your current arch to another partition and clone it 
2024-03-26 22:40:51	greentail	DQuinn: I asked a similar question some days ago. Install two linux distros in the same physical drive. But it seems unnecessarily complex. Installing two linux distros in two physical drives (one distro in each drive) is much easier
2024-03-26 22:40:53	DQuinn	I need exact directions I am new to Arch.
2024-03-26 22:41:08	kevr	DQuinn: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide
2024-03-26 22:41:09	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-26 22:41:33	kevr	tip: read through all of the sections and understand them before you decide to copy/paste commands in them
2024-03-26 22:41:34	greentail	cloudowind: what do you mean by "clone"? Is there a linux command called "clone"?  
2024-03-26 22:41:52	cloudowind	there is rsync
2024-03-26 22:41:53	kevr	s/in/from/
2024-03-26 22:41:58	DQuinn	Does Arch have a GUI install dvd or Cd ?
2024-03-26 22:41:58	Namarrgon	samhain666: the homehost is part of the metadata, you need to provide a new name when assembling the array while adding the --update=name option
2024-03-26 22:42:04	Namarrgon	DQuinn: no
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2024-03-26 22:42:31	DQuinn	Ok ty I will figure it out.
2024-03-26 22:42:31	Namarrgon	try installing to a vm first to gain some experience
2024-03-26 22:42:42	kevr	^+1
2024-03-26 22:42:43	cloudowind	rsync -avxHAWx / /dest.
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2024-03-26 22:44:31	samhain666	<Namarrgon> So I have stopped the array
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2024-03-26 22:45:13	samhain666	?
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2024-03-26 22:45:44	Namarrgon	you have to stop the array to re-assemble it
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2024-03-26 22:46:19	samhain666	Right, so now what do I need to provide in the assemble?
2024-03-26 22:46:32	samhain666	If I use a path in --name it complains
2024-03-26 22:46:50	Namarrgon	you only provide the hostname, not the path
2024-03-26 22:46:53	tirnanog	you cannot incorporate ":/dev/md" as part of the name, for the reason for the exact reason that the error message states. the purpose of this field is to be potentially compared against the hostname, so it wouldn't even make sense.
2024-03-26 22:47:11	samhain666	I have other arrays showing a path though, how is that possible?
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2024-03-26 22:47:18	Namarrgon	do you mean the name?
2024-03-26 22:47:44	Namarrgon	the path is derived from the metadata, you cannot hardcode it
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2024-03-26 22:48:25	samhain666	Consistency Policy : none
2024-03-26 22:48:26	samhain666	              Name : hostname:/dev/md0  (local to host hostname)
2024-03-26 22:48:36	samhain666	For instance I have that as an example on another array
2024-03-26 22:48:52	samhain666	How do I get the path to show in the Name field?
2024-03-26 22:49:01	Namarrgon	wat
2024-03-26 22:49:29	samhain666	Yes
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2024-03-26 22:50:07	samhain666	I ran mdadm --detail /dev/md0
2024-03-26 22:50:18	samhain666	In the Name: line I have the above
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2024-03-26 22:50:53	Namarrgon	and what do you want it to look like?
2024-03-26 22:51:05	samhain666	Like that on a new array i'm creating
2024-03-26 22:51:20	samhain666	basically:   hostname:/dev/md#
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2024-03-27 00:43:02	quartz	kevr: Well I wouldn't really define the noise as "static" per se, it's a very loud ringing sound.
2024-03-27 00:44:10	kevr	there's more stuff below that, specifically "3.5.6 Another Possible Cause"
2024-03-27 00:44:15	kevr	perhaps check that out? could be a quick fix
2024-03-27 00:44:40	kevr	"Another possible cause is that your mic has two channels but only one channel can provide a valid sound signal. Some information can be found here. The solution is to remap the stereo input to a mono input:"
2024-03-27 00:45:17	kevr	do you possibly have a second microphone you could test with to see if it happens on both?
2024-03-27 00:46:55	quartz	kevr: I don't have a second microphone.
2024-03-27 00:47:08	kevr	bummer
2024-03-27 00:47:58	quaff	is there a recommended arch linux live cd that comes with a DE baked in? 
2024-03-27 00:48:06	kode54	quartz: try checking for settings with alsamixer?
2024-03-27 00:48:06	kevr	there is not
2024-03-27 00:48:32	quaff	kevr: I was afraid of that. thanks!
2024-03-27 00:49:07	kevr	quaff: however, you could probably roll your own archiso with one if you wish to have one: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Archiso
2024-03-27 00:49:08	phrik	Title: Archiso - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-27 00:50:29	feynhat	hi.
2024-03-27 00:50:51	feynhat	Was mpsolve recently removed from official arch repository or was it never there?
2024-03-27 00:50:53	Namarrgon	quaff: you can install arch the regular way to usb, with everything you need
2024-03-27 00:51:44	quaff	I realized my silly ass didn't enable FDE when I installed Arch, so I gotta go back and jig around with my partition table. which in the past, I feel much more comfortable doing with a gparted GUI
2024-03-27 00:52:08	quaff	might just dig up a ubuntu ISO for that
2024-03-27 00:55:00	quartz	kode54: I see the mic in alsamixer but how do I test it?
2024-03-27 00:55:18	kode54	quartz: no odd settings like mic boost or whatnot?
2024-03-27 00:55:50	quartz	kode54: I see mic boost, but there is no bar above Front Mic. How do I submit a screenshot
2024-03-27 00:56:17	kode54	which desktop are you using again?
2024-03-27 00:56:35	kode54	gnome and plasma have some printscreen key binds, including alternates for capturing windows or regions
2024-03-27 00:56:44	kode54	and you can upload to a paste service like 0x0.st or paste.rs
2024-03-27 00:57:46	kode54	both of those domains have instructions for uploading files to them
2024-03-27 00:57:58	kode54	curl will work for either one
2024-03-27 00:58:13	quartz	gnome. 
2024-03-27 00:58:28	kode54	press shift-printscreen and select a region, I think?
2024-03-27 00:58:43	kode54	or is it just printscreen
2024-03-27 00:58:49	kode54	been too long since I used the default binds
2024-03-27 00:58:52	quartz	printscreen. what is curl?
2024-03-27 00:59:14	kode54	console executable that can do all kinds of network transfer things, http/s, ftp, etc
2024-03-27 00:59:24	kode54	the two sites I listed have directions for uploading files
2024-03-27 00:59:42	kode54	and the interactive printscreen thing in gnome can save files to disk
2024-03-27 01:00:02	kevr	quartz: curl is an http(s) client
2024-03-27 01:00:04	kode54	I'm probably not helping much
2024-03-27 01:00:37	quartz	I can upload the screenshot .png image file directly to paste.rs using curl?
2024-03-27 01:01:10	kevr	i know 0x0.st supports them
2024-03-27 01:01:24	kode54	paste.rs does binary uploads, but I don't know if they do images or binary files
2024-03-27 01:01:30	kode54	maybe better to stick to 0x0 then
2024-03-27 01:01:35	akik	quartz: yes but you need to add the original extension
2024-03-27 01:01:53	drathir_tor	quaff: back in time You was able to -Sy live iso and install xfce4 if You get enough ram, but no idea if that still works with whole systemd thing messing around...
2024-03-27 01:02:01	tirnanog	(they do)
2024-03-27 01:03:37	drathir_tor	quaff: cgdisk for basic things should be fine too...
2024-03-27 01:06:06	quartz	https://0x0.st/XsVC.png
2024-03-27 01:06:16	quartz	That's what I get in alasamixer
2024-03-27 01:09:02	drathir_tor	quartz: does it have some kind of double mic integrated ?
2024-03-27 01:09:55	drathir_tor	quartz: capture and capture 1 are both input sources...
2024-03-27 01:11:04	drathir_tor	quartz: You can try try to navigate into capture 1 and press space check what happen...
2024-03-27 01:11:19	quartz	drathir_tor: The setup is weird in that there is a single jack for headphones and another for microphone. I'm using a cable that plugs into each port, than I plug in my apple headset headphones into that cable
2024-03-27 01:11:31	kevr	that was an issue that some have that i tried to show, but i think it was ignored
2024-03-27 01:11:36	kevr	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Another_Possible_Cause
2024-03-27 01:11:37	phrik	Title: PulseAudio/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-27 01:12:10	quartz	kevr: I didn't ignore you, I can try that.
2024-03-27 01:12:32	kevr	worth a shot in any case, shouldn't take too long to try
2024-03-27 01:14:16	quartz	drathir_tor: nothing happens when I press space
2024-03-27 01:14:19	quartz	What should happen
2024-03-27 01:14:25	quaff	drathir_tor, ahh interesting. not that I'm against CLI, far from it.... just something about resizing partitions in a GUI makes me feel a lot more safer. guard rails and all that. anyway all good! I know how to proceed. thanks y'all!
2024-03-27 01:15:30	drathir_tor	quartz: in theory press space should enable/switch the chosen source that "L CAPTURE R" thing should move to Capture 1... but not sure how it see them...
2024-03-27 01:17:12	drathir_tor	also good to check if not see the inputs as line in... for check that You need navigate to input source and switch by arrow up down to different sources...
2024-03-27 01:20:55	drathir_tor	quartz: also when You press f5 You could have MIC volume levels as well sometimes that could be linked together...
2024-03-27 01:22:40	drathir_tor	quartz: yea for resizing probably much easier play with gui... but for basic fresh partitioning cgdisk sometimes made job fast enough...
2024-03-27 01:23:35	drathir_tor	quaff: ^
2024-03-27 01:24:12	quaff	oh for fresh partitioning, I just used fdisk. I'm very comfortable with that haha
2024-03-27 01:24:17	quaff	thanks drathir_tor
2024-03-27 01:25:40	quartz	When I go to run arecord -f dat -r 60000 -D hw:0,0 -d 5 test.wav  it says "arecord: main:850: audio open error: Device or resource busy" but nothin gis using the mic
2024-03-27 01:30:02	drathir_tor	quartz: what if You use -D default ? or sysdefault from arecord -L
2024-03-27 01:39:00	quartz	drathir_tor: Still says it's busy haha
2024-03-27 01:39:04	quartz	THis nightmare never ends
2024-03-27 01:39:25	mefistofeles	quartz: are you using pulse audio or pipewire by any chance?
2024-03-27 01:39:36	quartz	mefistofeles: How can I tell?
2024-03-27 01:39:58	mefistofeles	that's a good question
2024-03-27 01:41:03	mefistofeles	quartz: you can run `pactl info | grep "Server Name"`
2024-03-27 01:42:48	drathir_tor	mefistofeles: thats good question however pulse/popewire should take over defalt alsa device in alsamixer...
2024-03-27 01:43:10	drathir_tor	popewire/pipewire*
2024-03-27 01:43:16	mefistofeles	poopwire
2024-03-27 01:43:21	mefistofeles	xD
2024-03-27 01:44:11	drathir_tor	mefistofeles: most ironic part if installed most likely should works ootb... ^^
2024-03-27 01:49:22	quartz	When I run pacmd list-sources | grep 'name:.*input' it says bash: pacmd: command not found. But when I search for this package using pacman, nothing exists.
2024-03-27 01:49:48	kevr	it's in extra/pulseaudio
2024-03-27 01:49:52	mefistofeles	wait
2024-03-27 01:50:01	mefistofeles	so that means you are only using alsa, it seems
2024-03-27 01:50:47	mefistofeles	I'd recommend using pipewire
2024-03-27 01:50:48	⚡ 	mefistofeles shrugs
2024-03-27 01:50:50	quartz	I thought the choices were pipwire or pulse
2024-03-27 01:51:03	mefistofeles	quartz: you can use neither, and do just alsa
2024-03-27 01:51:10	mefistofeles	but that's commonly going to make things harder
2024-03-27 01:51:18	quartz	SO how do I switch?
2024-03-27 01:51:29	mefistofeles	!give quartz aw pipewire 
2024-03-27 01:51:29	phrik	quartz: Pipewire - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pipewire
2024-03-27 01:52:04	mefistofeles	quartz: but also, what desktop or wm are you using?
2024-03-27 01:52:23	mefistofeles	quartz: and sorry, I'm out of the context, is the problem that you don't have any audio? What's the problem we are trying to solve?
2024-03-27 01:52:50	quartz	mefistofeles: I can't get the mic to work. There is only a loud ringing noise, not realy static necessarily
2024-03-27 01:53:09	mefistofeles	quartz: ok, what about the desktop/wm ?
2024-03-27 01:53:19	quartz	mefistofeles: gnome
2024-03-27 01:53:22	mefistofeles	ok
2024-03-27 01:53:46	mefistofeles	quartz: hmm, what's the output of `ps aux | grep pipewire`?
2024-03-27 01:54:49	mefistofeles	I would be surprised if gnome doesn't pull either pulse or pipewire
2024-03-27 01:54:50	quartz	I get three entries
2024-03-27 01:55:20	quartz	Yeah it's weird. The gnome settings shows a "front microphone"
2024-03-27 01:55:24	mefistofeles	quartz: what entries? 
2024-03-27 01:56:34	quartz	nick        1674  2.8  0.1 124716 28492 ?        S<sl 15:39   3:48 /usr/bin/pipewire
2024-03-27 01:56:36	quartz	nick        1679  3.1  0.3 140088 49060 ?        S<Lsl 15:39   4:12 /usr/bin/pipewire-pulse
2024-03-27 01:56:38	quartz	nick        6402  0.0  0.0   6572  4140 pts/1    S+   17:54   0:00 grep pipewire
2024-03-27 01:56:57	mefistofeles	ok
2024-03-27 01:58:34	quartz	Does that mean it's working?
2024-03-27 01:58:52	mefistofeles	quartz: so, what is the output of `pw-cli list-objects | grep node.name`? 
2024-03-27 01:59:02	mefistofeles	quartz: that means you should be using pipewire
2024-03-27 01:59:57	quartz	mefistofeles: I get several lines of output
2024-03-27 02:01:10	quartz	https://0x0.st/XsWc.txt
2024-03-27 02:01:47	drathir_tor	quartz: also from crazy ideas there is slight possibility that apple gets its magic trrs jacks which are not compatibile with splitter and mess things up... would be good test normal even cheapest mic if behave same way...
2024-03-27 02:02:45	quartz	drathir_tor: I've tested this on Windows 10 and it works fine
2024-03-27 02:04:14	drathir_tor	quartz: thats good to know its working... ;D
2024-03-27 02:07:15	mefistofeles	quartz: ok, one sec
2024-03-27 02:07:22	mefistofeles	preparing sandwich
2024-03-27 02:07:23	drathir_tor	quartz: also arecord with default should works just fine just made sure You get installed pipewire-alsa when using pipewire to grab alsa sources...
2024-03-27 02:08:13	mefistofeles	quartz: what about `pw-record --target alsa_input.pci-0000_00_1f.3.analog-stereo file.wav` ?
2024-03-27 02:09:20	quartz	mefistofeles: same thing
2024-03-27 02:09:24	quartz	annoying beeping noise
2024-03-27 02:09:54	quartz	Weird how I have the same setup (arch linux) on my laptop and the mic works just fine.
2024-03-27 02:10:04	quartz	But I install it on a desktop and it does this...
2024-03-27 02:10:55	mefistofeles	quartz: well, it's a different hardware, what audio card is it?
2024-03-27 02:12:24	quartz	card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC1220 Analog [ALC1220 Analog]
2024-03-27 02:13:41	mefistofeles	quartz: what about `lspci | grep -i audio`? 
2024-03-27 02:14:48	quartz	00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Cannon Lake PCH cAVS (rev 10)
2024-03-27 02:14:50	quartz	02:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation TU104 HD Audio Controller (rev a1)
2024-03-27 02:15:11	drathir_tor	quartz: also when installed pulsemixer or pavucontrol should allow You manage sources...
2024-03-27 02:16:05	mefistofeles	definitely not surprised to see NVIDIA there when things aren't working :P
2024-03-27 02:16:28	mefistofeles	quartz: yeah, installing pavucontrol might help
2024-03-27 02:16:37	mefistofeles	but I doubt it
2024-03-27 02:16:37	quartz	drathir_tor: Yes, pavucontrol gives me three options. The one that says plugged in says "Front Microphone"
2024-03-27 02:16:41	quartz	mefistofeles: I have it
2024-03-27 02:16:43	mefistofeles	ok
2024-03-27 02:16:59	toprak	hi guys, what is the ideal makeflag for me? i am running -j6 -l6 rn with eyz\en 5 5500 and 16gb ram
2024-03-27 02:17:34	drathir_tor	mefistofeles: that only should matter if alsa only and playback shouldnt work as well if wrong card is used as primary also primary card would be default when used alsamixer...
2024-03-27 02:18:05	Murray7501	aplay -l
2024-03-27 02:20:14	drathir_tor	quartz: pavucontrol allows You to chose in input devices which monitor device port use...
2024-03-27 02:20:39	mefistofeles	quartz: does any input device responds to your voice? the volume bar
2024-03-27 02:21:48	quartz	mefistofeles: the volume bar is constantly moving up and down
2024-03-27 02:21:52	quartz	but the others don't respond
2024-03-27 02:21:53	drathir_tor	quartz: also in configuration made sure its set for something like Analog Stereo duplex not just analog output...
2024-03-27 02:21:54	quartz	This is strange
2024-03-27 02:23:20	quartz	drathir_tor: Yaeh I have it set to analog stereo duplex
2024-03-27 02:25:26	drathir_tor	quartz: oh and made sure You made reboot after installing pipewire and pipewire-alsa not always working w/o restart...
2024-03-27 02:25:40	quartz	drathir_tor: OK I'll do that now
2024-03-27 02:28:27	quartz	I'm going to take a break, thanks for the help everyone.
2024-03-27 02:32:56	mefistofeles	quartz: sure, np, sounds like you might need to tweak the driver options and/or wait for driver updates :/ just a hunch
2024-03-27 02:35:44	mefistofeles	for example https://forum.manjaro.org/t/microphone-not-working/32495 
2024-03-27 02:35:45	phrik	Title: Microphone not working - Sound - Manjaro Linux Forum (at forum.manjaro.org)
2024-03-27 02:39:22	drathir_tor	quartz: see later... also check user ~/.asoundrc if there no changes made...
2024-03-27 02:39:40	quartz	sorry how do I get pacmd? 
2024-03-27 02:41:01	quartz	I just want to see a list of the drivers
2024-03-27 02:41:03	quartz	and their names
2024-03-27 02:41:12	quartz	Maybe the solution at https://forum.manjaro.org/t/microphone-not-working/32495/3 would work
2024-03-27 02:41:14	phrik	Title: Microphone not working - #3 by BusinessOrc - Sound - Manjaro Linux Forum (at forum.manjaro.org)
2024-03-27 02:42:03	quartz	drathir_tor: I don't have ~/.asourndrc
2024-03-27 02:52:55	drathir_tor	quartz: i see thats good also as i remember for standalone alsa sometimes needed "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf" with "options snd_hda_intel index=1" line, but for pipewire it should figureout itself without that...
2024-03-27 02:58:08	mefistofeles	quartz: why do you need pacmd?
2024-03-27 03:25:44	cloudowind	secret!
2024-03-27 03:25:53	mefistofeles	secret secret, I've got a secret!
2024-03-27 03:26:34	cloudowind	why not coming aot anymore mefisto 
2024-03-27 03:29:20	mefistofeles	cloudowind: I'll tell you in private
2024-03-27 04:57:15	cloudowind	sudo reboot
2024-03-27 05:00:34	akik	reboot -f -f is quick
2024-03-27 05:05:46	Jhlorn	Yeah, that's not cool at all.
2024-03-27 05:06:17	akik	it's 100% unclean
2024-03-27 05:44:24	red_man	hi all
2024-03-27 06:37:59	gehidore	akik that's your only freebie, that nonsense will *not* be tolerated
2024-03-27 06:39:57	akik	yea i forgot people just run commands without checking what they do
2024-03-27 06:58:23	jfernandez	o/
2024-03-27 07:02:45	virtualsid	\o
2024-03-27 07:03:17	jfernandez	When should we expect 6.8.2 kernel to be available?
2024-03-27 07:03:37	gehidore	!when
2024-03-27 07:03:38	phrik	When it's ready. ™
2024-03-27 07:04:09	jfernandez	:3
2024-03-27 07:04:11	virtualsid	heh. Talking of kernels... I need to investigate if there's an easier way to read the changelogs.
2024-03-27 07:04:40	gehidore	Kernel change logs?
2024-03-27 07:14:54	red_man	hello
2024-03-27 07:15:13	gehidore	!give red_man welcomerpg 
2024-03-27 07:15:14	phrik	red_man: Welcome to #archlinux - How can we assist you?
2024-03-27 07:15:25	virtualsid	gehidore: yeah - i mean, I know where they are, but they're just ... big :)
2024-03-27 07:15:37	red_man	i'll let ya know!
2024-03-27 07:16:47	Dworin	virtualsid: grep for the things that could be of interest to you?
2024-03-27 07:18:15	virtualsid	Dworin: yeah, perhaps. I was thinking more of an overview than that. Looking at it, I wonder if someone's already scripted something to collate certain sections together, e.g. all network things, all fs things
2024-03-27 07:18:26	virtualsid	This is not a demand, just a curiosity, as it I think it would be nice.
2024-03-27 07:20:30	virtualsid	this seems useful: https://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges
2024-03-27 07:58:01	outoftime	Foxboron: I didn't expect that, but ansible's compose_v2 plugin expects `docker compose` to respond correct version like "2.26.0" and fails for "dev" completely.. 
2024-03-27 07:58:59	outoftime	Looks like it is time to test my skills to read Go without knowledge of Go
2024-03-27 08:20:24	outoftime	Foxboron: looks like version is not overriden properly. Maybe "path" has been changed. I have only found that Version = "dev" comes from /compose-2.26.0/internal/variables.go (I haven't looked into blame to find out when it was changed last time, just my guess)
2024-03-27 08:30:19	outoftime	Is it "safe" to downgrade `docker-compose` from 1.26.0 to 1.24.7 ? I mean, docker-compose has only docker in its dependancies and not an issue, but docker depends on a lot of packages, what chances that something will break?
2024-03-27 08:55:15	colo	does anyone here successfully use krfb to share a KDE Plasma 6 wayland session via VNC? whenever I do, krfb dumps core after a few seconds (esp. when interacting with firefox in the rfb session...). I'd be glad if anyone could try to reproduce.
2024-03-27 09:31:01	wyre	hi guys, I've been talking to gnome people in Matrix and they told my that my issue with texts in floating windows is because of the new gtk renderer
2024-03-27 09:31:15	wyre	so setting GSK_RENDERER=gl apparently solves the issue 
2024-03-27 09:31:21	wyre	but not sure where should I export the envvar
2024-03-27 09:31:27	wyre	cause I'm using zsh
2024-03-27 09:31:41	wyre	so ... I am not using .bash_profile
2024-03-27 09:31:59	jelle	that's irrelevant
2024-03-27 09:32:01	wyre	I've tried in .zshenv but it doesn't seem to work 🤔
2024-03-27 09:32:10	jelle	and zsh has .zsh_profile imo
2024-03-27 09:32:11	wyre	jelle, why?
2024-03-27 09:32:29	wyre	anyway ... should I export the variable there? 
2024-03-27 09:32:59	jelle	wyre: you have like 99 options to set an env /etc/environment /etc/profile
2024-03-27 09:33:05	wyre	the point is I want to have it in the env to be used till the issue with the new gtk renderer is fixed
2024-03-27 09:33:31	wyre	jelle, sure, but my point is I want to use the most proper one 😃
2024-03-27 09:33:32	jelle	wyre: or .zprofile
2024-03-27 09:33:53	wyre	oh ... I see
2024-03-27 09:34:06	Khorne	wyre, then read up on the options and make an informed decision on what the most correct one is for your case
2024-03-27 09:39:08	susi	if I were you, I'd set it in ~/.zprofile so it gets sourced by the login shell and then inherited from there
2024-03-27 09:40:47	vycka	is zsh you user shell or only started by your terminal app
2024-03-27 09:42:05	wyre	it's my user shell
2024-03-27 09:42:25	wyre	but adding it to /etc/environment is enough 😜
2024-03-27 09:42:29	wyre	thank you guys! :-) 
2024-03-27 09:44:01	Khorne	But now it's affecting all users..
2024-03-27 09:44:29	wyre	yes, I know 
2024-03-27 09:44:43	wyre	I'm wondering if this bug is already reported 🤔
2024-03-27 09:44:48	vycka	oh no its affecting all of internet
2024-03-27 09:45:09	wyre	xdd
2024-03-27 10:07:36	wyre	what should be the proper package to check if this is reported at gitlab.archlinux.org?
2024-03-27 10:14:02	Pikk3wyn	ask the gnome people
2024-03-27 10:15:08	jelle	wyre: I mean it is just a software bug no? We want to be on fulkan rendering I assume
2024-03-27 10:15:13	jelle	*vulkan
2024-03-27 10:15:47	wyre	hmm, then what should be a proper fix for me? 
2024-03-27 10:16:05	wyre	is this a video driver problem?
2024-03-27 10:16:28	jelle	what did the gnome folks say?
2024-03-27 10:18:53	novns	wyre, it's the renderer problem, the default one has a bug
2024-03-27 10:19:14	novns	video driver itself is ok
2024-03-27 10:20:04	wyre	oh, so I guess it will be fixed in the future 😃
2024-03-27 10:21:07	wyre	jelle, not much, some guy said "probably the new gtk renderer", then he suggested to set GSK_RENDERER to gl and it worked 
2024-03-27 10:21:26	wyre	but is this an upstream bug then? 
2024-03-27 10:28:37	Tom^	wyre: which gpu?
2024-03-27 10:29:28	wyre	GeForce GT 740 Tom^ 
2024-03-27 10:29:36	wyre	an old one
2024-03-27 10:29:57	wyre	I use 470xx version
2024-03-27 10:30:48	Tom^	does vulkan even work on that heh
2024-03-27 10:32:59	jelle	zink it
2024-03-27 10:33:49	Tom^	thats still not gonna work if vulkan is broken
2024-03-27 10:33:55	Tom^	its just gl ontop of vulkan
2024-03-27 10:34:40	jelle	oh right other way around :D
2024-03-27 10:39:39	Tom^	wouldnt surprise me if its very broken since even 550 is kinda broken
2024-03-27 10:39:49	Tom^	so yeah it probably wont ever get fixed wyre 
2024-03-27 10:39:51	Tom^	welcome to nvidia
2024-03-27 10:40:03	wyre	😢
2024-03-27 10:40:28	wyre	won't they free the source code of their drivers? 
2024-03-27 10:40:34	Tom^	no
2024-03-27 10:46:01	BetweenUs	  /close 
2024-03-27 10:48:59	⚡ 	gromit opens BetweenUs
2024-03-27 10:56:16	BetweenUs	^
2024-03-27 11:01:34	Earnestly	Tom^: https://www.furygpu.com/
2024-03-27 11:01:35	phrik	Title: FuryGpu (at www.furygpu.com)
2024-03-27 11:01:50	bluetail	BetweenUs u mean between.us ?
2024-03-27 11:02:11	bluetail	" Between is a mobile app for couples in love! "
2024-03-27 11:03:10	bluetail	Earnestly what am I looking at? A prototype?
2024-03-27 11:09:24	wyre	so do you recommend me AMD graphics for the next setup? 
2024-03-27 11:09:32	wyre	what about gaming in AMD? 
2024-03-27 11:09:40	jelle	what about it?
2024-03-27 11:09:53	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-27 11:09:59	wyre	has it the same performance than Nvidia? 
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2024-03-27 11:11:44	jelle	wyre: you can look that up :)
2024-03-27 11:11:52	Khorne	it has much better performance
2024-03-27 11:12:09	jelle	plus it all depends on price/performance anyway
2024-03-27 11:12:12	Khorne	an 7900xtx is a generational leap over a gt710
2024-03-27 11:12:20	Khorne	multi generational even
2024-03-27 11:12:25	jelle	lel
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2024-03-27 11:20:01	wyre	I'm wondering what would be the best CPU + GPU for gaming in Arch 🤔
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2024-03-27 11:20:01	virtualsid	the fastest you can afford.
2024-03-27 11:20:01	jelle	well amd + 3d cache
2024-03-27 11:20:01	jelle	then again that depends :p
2024-03-27 11:20:01	BetweenUs	something is between us.
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2024-03-27 11:20:47	Pikk3wyn	id probably go without the 3d version
2024-03-27 11:21:22	◥	sahil_ (~Thunderbi@user/gautamsahil1947) has joined #archlinux
2024-03-27 11:22:12	Khorne	why
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2024-03-27 11:23:05	Pikk3wyn	they are more fragile
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2024-03-27 11:23:27	Khorne	How so?
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2024-03-27 11:24:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-27 11:24:04	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1415 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1414 regular)
2024-03-27 00:51:44	quaff	I realized my silly ass didn't enable FDE when I installed Arch, so I gotta go back and jig around with my partition table. which in the past, I feel much more comfortable doing with a gparted GUI
2024-03-27 00:52:08	quaff	might just dig up a ubuntu ISO for that
2024-03-27 00:55:00	quartz	kode54: I see the mic in alsamixer but how do I test it?
2024-03-27 00:55:18	kode54	quartz: no odd settings like mic boost or whatnot?
2024-03-27 00:55:50	quartz	kode54: I see mic boost, but there is no bar above Front Mic. How do I submit a screenshot
2024-03-27 00:56:17	kode54	which desktop are you using again?
2024-03-27 00:56:35	kode54	gnome and plasma have some printscreen key binds, including alternates for capturing windows or regions
2024-03-27 00:56:44	kode54	and you can upload to a paste service like 0x0.st or paste.rs
2024-03-27 00:57:46	kode54	both of those domains have instructions for uploading files to them
2024-03-27 00:57:58	kode54	curl will work for either one
2024-03-27 00:58:13	quartz	gnome. 
2024-03-27 00:58:28	kode54	press shift-printscreen and select a region, I think?
2024-03-27 00:58:43	kode54	or is it just printscreen
2024-03-27 00:58:49	kode54	been too long since I used the default binds
2024-03-27 00:58:52	quartz	printscreen. what is curl?
2024-03-27 00:59:14	kode54	console executable that can do all kinds of network transfer things, http/s, ftp, etc
2024-03-27 00:59:24	kode54	the two sites I listed have directions for uploading files
2024-03-27 00:59:42	kode54	and the interactive printscreen thing in gnome can save files to disk
2024-03-27 01:00:02	kevr	quartz: curl is an http(s) client
2024-03-27 01:00:04	kode54	I'm probably not helping much
2024-03-27 01:00:37	quartz	I can upload the screenshot .png image file directly to paste.rs using curl?
2024-03-27 01:01:10	kevr	i know 0x0.st supports them
2024-03-27 01:01:24	kode54	paste.rs does binary uploads, but I don't know if they do images or binary files
2024-03-27 01:01:30	kode54	maybe better to stick to 0x0 then
2024-03-27 01:01:35	akik	quartz: yes but you need to add the original extension
2024-03-27 01:01:53	drathir_tor	quaff: back in time You was able to -Sy live iso and install xfce4 if You get enough ram, but no idea if that still works with whole systemd thing messing around...
2024-03-27 01:02:01	tirnanog	(they do)
2024-03-27 01:03:37	drathir_tor	quaff: cgdisk for basic things should be fine too...
2024-03-27 01:06:06	quartz	https://0x0.st/XsVC.png
2024-03-27 01:06:16	quartz	That's what I get in alasamixer
2024-03-27 01:09:02	drathir_tor	quartz: does it have some kind of double mic integrated ?
2024-03-27 01:09:55	drathir_tor	quartz: capture and capture 1 are both input sources...
2024-03-27 01:11:04	drathir_tor	quartz: You can try try to navigate into capture 1 and press space check what happen...
2024-03-27 01:11:19	quartz	drathir_tor: The setup is weird in that there is a single jack for headphones and another for microphone. I'm using a cable that plugs into each port, than I plug in my apple headset headphones into that cable
2024-03-27 01:11:31	kevr	that was an issue that some have that i tried to show, but i think it was ignored
2024-03-27 01:11:36	kevr	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Another_Possible_Cause
2024-03-27 01:11:37	phrik	Title: PulseAudio/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-27 01:12:10	quartz	kevr: I didn't ignore you, I can try that.
2024-03-27 01:12:32	kevr	worth a shot in any case, shouldn't take too long to try
2024-03-27 01:14:16	quartz	drathir_tor: nothing happens when I press space
2024-03-27 01:14:19	quartz	What should happen
2024-03-27 01:14:25	quaff	drathir_tor, ahh interesting. not that I'm against CLI, far from it.... just something about resizing partitions in a GUI makes me feel a lot more safer. guard rails and all that. anyway all good! I know how to proceed. thanks y'all!
2024-03-27 01:15:30	drathir_tor	quartz: in theory press space should enable/switch the chosen source that "L CAPTURE R" thing should move to Capture 1... but not sure how it see them...
2024-03-27 01:17:12	drathir_tor	also good to check if not see the inputs as line in... for check that You need navigate to input source and switch by arrow up down to different sources...
2024-03-27 01:20:55	drathir_tor	quartz: also when You press f5 You could have MIC volume levels as well sometimes that could be linked together...
2024-03-27 01:22:40	drathir_tor	quartz: yea for resizing probably much easier play with gui... but for basic fresh partitioning cgdisk sometimes made job fast enough...
2024-03-27 01:23:35	drathir_tor	quaff: ^
2024-03-27 01:24:12	quaff	oh for fresh partitioning, I just used fdisk. I'm very comfortable with that haha
2024-03-27 01:24:17	quaff	thanks drathir_tor
2024-03-27 01:25:40	quartz	When I go to run arecord -f dat -r 60000 -D hw:0,0 -d 5 test.wav  it says "arecord: main:850: audio open error: Device or resource busy" but nothin gis using the mic
2024-03-27 01:30:02	drathir_tor	quartz: what if You use -D default ? or sysdefault from arecord -L
2024-03-27 01:39:00	quartz	drathir_tor: Still says it's busy haha
2024-03-27 01:39:04	quartz	THis nightmare never ends
2024-03-27 01:39:25	mefistofeles	quartz: are you using pulse audio or pipewire by any chance?
2024-03-27 01:39:36	quartz	mefistofeles: How can I tell?
2024-03-27 01:39:58	mefistofeles	that's a good question
2024-03-27 01:41:03	mefistofeles	quartz: you can run `pactl info | grep "Server Name"`
2024-03-27 01:42:48	drathir_tor	mefistofeles: thats good question however pulse/popewire should take over defalt alsa device in alsamixer...
2024-03-27 01:43:10	drathir_tor	popewire/pipewire*
2024-03-27 01:43:16	mefistofeles	poopwire
2024-03-27 01:43:21	mefistofeles	xD
2024-03-27 01:44:11	drathir_tor	mefistofeles: most ironic part if installed most likely should works ootb... ^^
2024-03-27 01:49:22	quartz	When I run pacmd list-sources | grep 'name:.*input' it says bash: pacmd: command not found. But when I search for this package using pacman, nothing exists.
2024-03-27 01:49:48	kevr	it's in extra/pulseaudio
2024-03-27 01:49:52	mefistofeles	wait
2024-03-27 01:50:01	mefistofeles	so that means you are only using alsa, it seems
2024-03-27 01:50:47	mefistofeles	I'd recommend using pipewire
2024-03-27 01:50:48	⚡ 	mefistofeles shrugs
2024-03-27 01:50:50	quartz	I thought the choices were pipwire or pulse
2024-03-27 01:51:03	mefistofeles	quartz: you can use neither, and do just alsa
2024-03-27 01:51:10	mefistofeles	but that's commonly going to make things harder
2024-03-27 01:51:18	quartz	SO how do I switch?
2024-03-27 01:51:29	mefistofeles	!give quartz aw pipewire 
2024-03-27 01:51:29	phrik	quartz: Pipewire - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pipewire
2024-03-27 01:52:04	mefistofeles	quartz: but also, what desktop or wm are you using?
2024-03-27 01:52:23	mefistofeles	quartz: and sorry, I'm out of the context, is the problem that you don't have any audio? What's the problem we are trying to solve?
2024-03-27 01:52:50	quartz	mefistofeles: I can't get the mic to work. There is only a loud ringing noise, not realy static necessarily
2024-03-27 01:53:09	mefistofeles	quartz: ok, what about the desktop/wm ?
2024-03-27 01:53:19	quartz	mefistofeles: gnome
2024-03-27 01:53:22	mefistofeles	ok
2024-03-27 01:53:46	mefistofeles	quartz: hmm, what's the output of `ps aux | grep pipewire`?
2024-03-27 01:54:49	mefistofeles	I would be surprised if gnome doesn't pull either pulse or pipewire
2024-03-27 01:54:50	quartz	I get three entries
2024-03-27 01:55:20	quartz	Yeah it's weird. The gnome settings shows a "front microphone"
2024-03-27 01:55:24	mefistofeles	quartz: what entries? 
2024-03-27 01:56:34	quartz	nick        1674  2.8  0.1 124716 28492 ?        S<sl 15:39   3:48 /usr/bin/pipewire
2024-03-27 01:56:36	quartz	nick        1679  3.1  0.3 140088 49060 ?        S<Lsl 15:39   4:12 /usr/bin/pipewire-pulse
2024-03-27 01:56:38	quartz	nick        6402  0.0  0.0   6572  4140 pts/1    S+   17:54   0:00 grep pipewire
2024-03-27 01:56:57	mefistofeles	ok
2024-03-27 01:58:34	quartz	Does that mean it's working?
2024-03-27 01:58:52	mefistofeles	quartz: so, what is the output of `pw-cli list-objects | grep node.name`? 
2024-03-27 01:59:02	mefistofeles	quartz: that means you should be using pipewire
2024-03-27 01:59:57	quartz	mefistofeles: I get several lines of output
2024-03-27 02:01:10	quartz	https://0x0.st/XsWc.txt
2024-03-27 02:01:47	drathir_tor	quartz: also from crazy ideas there is slight possibility that apple gets its magic trrs jacks which are not compatibile with splitter and mess things up... would be good test normal even cheapest mic if behave same way...
2024-03-27 02:02:45	quartz	drathir_tor: I've tested this on Windows 10 and it works fine
2024-03-27 02:04:14	drathir_tor	quartz: thats good to know its working... ;D
2024-03-27 02:07:15	mefistofeles	quartz: ok, one sec
2024-03-27 02:07:22	mefistofeles	preparing sandwich
2024-03-27 02:07:23	drathir_tor	quartz: also arecord with default should works just fine just made sure You get installed pipewire-alsa when using pipewire to grab alsa sources...
2024-03-27 02:08:13	mefistofeles	quartz: what about `pw-record --target alsa_input.pci-0000_00_1f.3.analog-stereo file.wav` ?
2024-03-27 02:09:20	quartz	mefistofeles: same thing
2024-03-27 02:09:24	quartz	annoying beeping noise
2024-03-27 02:09:54	quartz	Weird how I have the same setup (arch linux) on my laptop and the mic works just fine.
2024-03-27 02:10:04	quartz	But I install it on a desktop and it does this...
2024-03-27 02:10:55	mefistofeles	quartz: well, it's a different hardware, what audio card is it?
2024-03-27 02:12:24	quartz	card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC1220 Analog [ALC1220 Analog]
2024-03-27 02:13:41	mefistofeles	quartz: what about `lspci | grep -i audio`? 
2024-03-27 02:14:48	quartz	00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Cannon Lake PCH cAVS (rev 10)
2024-03-27 02:14:50	quartz	02:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation TU104 HD Audio Controller (rev a1)
2024-03-27 02:15:11	drathir_tor	quartz: also when installed pulsemixer or pavucontrol should allow You manage sources...
2024-03-27 02:16:05	mefistofeles	definitely not surprised to see NVIDIA there when things aren't working :P
2024-03-27 02:16:28	mefistofeles	quartz: yeah, installing pavucontrol might help
2024-03-27 02:16:37	mefistofeles	but I doubt it
2024-03-27 02:16:37	quartz	drathir_tor: Yes, pavucontrol gives me three options. The one that says plugged in says "Front Microphone"
2024-03-27 02:16:41	quartz	mefistofeles: I have it
2024-03-27 02:16:43	mefistofeles	ok
2024-03-27 02:16:59	toprak	hi guys, what is the ideal makeflag for me? i am running -j6 -l6 rn with eyz\en 5 5500 and 16gb ram
2024-03-27 02:17:34	drathir_tor	mefistofeles: that only should matter if alsa only and playback shouldnt work as well if wrong card is used as primary also primary card would be default when used alsamixer...
2024-03-27 02:18:05	Murray7501	aplay -l
2024-03-27 02:20:14	drathir_tor	quartz: pavucontrol allows You to chose in input devices which monitor device port use...
2024-03-27 02:20:39	mefistofeles	quartz: does any input device responds to your voice? the volume bar
2024-03-27 02:21:48	quartz	mefistofeles: the volume bar is constantly moving up and down
2024-03-27 02:21:52	quartz	but the others don't respond
2024-03-27 02:21:53	drathir_tor	quartz: also in configuration made sure its set for something like Analog Stereo duplex not just analog output...
2024-03-27 02:21:54	quartz	This is strange
2024-03-27 02:23:20	quartz	drathir_tor: Yaeh I have it set to analog stereo duplex
2024-03-27 02:25:26	drathir_tor	quartz: oh and made sure You made reboot after installing pipewire and pipewire-alsa not always working w/o restart...
2024-03-27 02:25:40	quartz	drathir_tor: OK I'll do that now
2024-03-27 02:28:27	quartz	I'm going to take a break, thanks for the help everyone.
2024-03-27 02:32:56	mefistofeles	quartz: sure, np, sounds like you might need to tweak the driver options and/or wait for driver updates :/ just a hunch
2024-03-27 02:35:44	mefistofeles	for example https://forum.manjaro.org/t/microphone-not-working/32495 
2024-03-27 02:35:45	phrik	Title: Microphone not working - Sound - Manjaro Linux Forum (at forum.manjaro.org)
2024-03-27 02:39:22	drathir_tor	quartz: see later... also check user ~/.asoundrc if there no changes made...
2024-03-27 02:39:40	quartz	sorry how do I get pacmd? 
2024-03-27 02:41:01	quartz	I just want to see a list of the drivers
2024-03-27 02:41:03	quartz	and their names
2024-03-27 02:41:12	quartz	Maybe the solution at https://forum.manjaro.org/t/microphone-not-working/32495/3 would work
2024-03-27 02:41:14	phrik	Title: Microphone not working - #3 by BusinessOrc - Sound - Manjaro Linux Forum (at forum.manjaro.org)
2024-03-27 02:42:03	quartz	drathir_tor: I don't have ~/.asourndrc
2024-03-27 02:52:55	drathir_tor	quartz: i see thats good also as i remember for standalone alsa sometimes needed "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf" with "options snd_hda_intel index=1" line, but for pipewire it should figureout itself without that...
2024-03-27 02:58:08	mefistofeles	quartz: why do you need pacmd?
2024-03-27 03:25:44	cloudowind	secret!
2024-03-27 03:25:53	mefistofeles	secret secret, I've got a secret!
2024-03-27 03:26:34	cloudowind	why not coming aot anymore mefisto 
2024-03-27 03:29:20	mefistofeles	cloudowind: I'll tell you in private
2024-03-27 04:57:15	cloudowind	sudo reboot
2024-03-27 05:00:34	akik	reboot -f -f is quick
2024-03-27 05:05:46	Jhlorn	Yeah, that's not cool at all.
2024-03-27 05:06:17	akik	it's 100% unclean
2024-03-27 05:44:24	red_man	hi all
2024-03-27 06:37:59	gehidore	akik that's your only freebie, that nonsense will *not* be tolerated
2024-03-27 06:39:57	akik	yea i forgot people just run commands without checking what they do
2024-03-27 06:58:23	jfernandez	o/
2024-03-27 07:02:45	virtualsid	\o
2024-03-27 07:03:17	jfernandez	When should we expect 6.8.2 kernel to be available?
2024-03-27 07:03:37	gehidore	!when
2024-03-27 07:03:38	phrik	When it's ready. ™
2024-03-27 07:04:09	jfernandez	:3
2024-03-27 07:04:11	virtualsid	heh. Talking of kernels... I need to investigate if there's an easier way to read the changelogs.
2024-03-27 07:04:40	gehidore	Kernel change logs?
2024-03-27 07:14:54	red_man	hello
2024-03-27 07:15:13	gehidore	!give red_man welcomerpg 
2024-03-27 07:15:14	phrik	red_man: Welcome to #archlinux - How can we assist you?
2024-03-27 07:15:25	virtualsid	gehidore: yeah - i mean, I know where they are, but they're just ... big :)
2024-03-27 07:15:37	red_man	i'll let ya know!
2024-03-27 07:16:47	Dworin	virtualsid: grep for the things that could be of interest to you?
2024-03-27 07:18:15	virtualsid	Dworin: yeah, perhaps. I was thinking more of an overview than that. Looking at it, I wonder if someone's already scripted something to collate certain sections together, e.g. all network things, all fs things
2024-03-27 07:18:26	virtualsid	This is not a demand, just a curiosity, as it I think it would be nice.
2024-03-27 07:20:30	virtualsid	this seems useful: https://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges
2024-03-27 07:58:01	outoftime	Foxboron: I didn't expect that, but ansible's compose_v2 plugin expects `docker compose` to respond correct version like "2.26.0" and fails for "dev" completely.. 
2024-03-27 07:58:59	outoftime	Looks like it is time to test my skills to read Go without knowledge of Go
2024-03-27 08:20:24	outoftime	Foxboron: looks like version is not overriden properly. Maybe "path" has been changed. I have only found that Version = "dev" comes from /compose-2.26.0/internal/variables.go (I haven't looked into blame to find out when it was changed last time, just my guess)
2024-03-27 08:30:19	outoftime	Is it "safe" to downgrade `docker-compose` from 1.26.0 to 1.24.7 ? I mean, docker-compose has only docker in its dependancies and not an issue, but docker depends on a lot of packages, what chances that something will break?
2024-03-27 08:55:15	colo	does anyone here successfully use krfb to share a KDE Plasma 6 wayland session via VNC? whenever I do, krfb dumps core after a few seconds (esp. when interacting with firefox in the rfb session...). I'd be glad if anyone could try to reproduce.
2024-03-27 09:31:01	wyre	hi guys, I've been talking to gnome people in Matrix and they told my that my issue with texts in floating windows is because of the new gtk renderer
2024-03-27 09:31:15	wyre	so setting GSK_RENDERER=gl apparently solves the issue 
2024-03-27 09:31:21	wyre	but not sure where should I export the envvar
2024-03-27 09:31:27	wyre	cause I'm using zsh
2024-03-27 09:31:41	wyre	so ... I am not using .bash_profile
2024-03-27 09:31:59	jelle	that's irrelevant
2024-03-27 09:32:01	wyre	I've tried in .zshenv but it doesn't seem to work 🤔
2024-03-27 09:32:10	jelle	and zsh has .zsh_profile imo
2024-03-27 09:32:11	wyre	jelle, why?
2024-03-27 09:32:29	wyre	anyway ... should I export the variable there? 
2024-03-27 09:32:59	jelle	wyre: you have like 99 options to set an env /etc/environment /etc/profile
2024-03-27 09:33:05	wyre	the point is I want to have it in the env to be used till the issue with the new gtk renderer is fixed
2024-03-27 09:33:31	wyre	jelle, sure, but my point is I want to use the most proper one 😃
2024-03-27 09:33:32	jelle	wyre: or .zprofile
2024-03-27 09:33:53	wyre	oh ... I see
2024-03-27 09:34:06	Khorne	wyre, then read up on the options and make an informed decision on what the most correct one is for your case
2024-03-27 09:39:08	susi	if I were you, I'd set it in ~/.zprofile so it gets sourced by the login shell and then inherited from there
2024-03-27 09:40:47	vycka	is zsh you user shell or only started by your terminal app
2024-03-27 09:42:05	wyre	it's my user shell
2024-03-27 09:42:25	wyre	but adding it to /etc/environment is enough 😜
2024-03-27 09:42:29	wyre	thank you guys! :-) 
2024-03-27 09:44:01	Khorne	But now it's affecting all users..
2024-03-27 09:44:29	wyre	yes, I know 
2024-03-27 09:44:43	wyre	I'm wondering if this bug is already reported 🤔
2024-03-27 09:44:48	vycka	oh no its affecting all of internet
2024-03-27 09:45:09	wyre	xdd
2024-03-27 10:07:36	wyre	what should be the proper package to check if this is reported at gitlab.archlinux.org?
2024-03-27 10:14:02	Pikk3wyn	ask the gnome people
2024-03-27 10:15:08	jelle	wyre: I mean it is just a software bug no? We want to be on fulkan rendering I assume
2024-03-27 10:15:13	jelle	*vulkan
2024-03-27 10:15:47	wyre	hmm, then what should be a proper fix for me? 
2024-03-27 10:16:05	wyre	is this a video driver problem?
2024-03-27 10:16:28	jelle	what did the gnome folks say?
2024-03-27 10:18:53	novns	wyre, it's the renderer problem, the default one has a bug
2024-03-27 10:19:14	novns	video driver itself is ok
2024-03-27 10:20:04	wyre	oh, so I guess it will be fixed in the future 😃
2024-03-27 10:21:07	wyre	jelle, not much, some guy said "probably the new gtk renderer", then he suggested to set GSK_RENDERER to gl and it worked 
2024-03-27 10:21:26	wyre	but is this an upstream bug then? 
2024-03-27 10:28:37	Tom^	wyre: which gpu?
2024-03-27 10:29:28	wyre	GeForce GT 740 Tom^ 
2024-03-27 10:29:36	wyre	an old one
2024-03-27 10:29:57	wyre	I use 470xx version
2024-03-27 10:30:48	Tom^	does vulkan even work on that heh
2024-03-27 10:32:59	jelle	zink it
2024-03-27 10:33:49	Tom^	thats still not gonna work if vulkan is broken
2024-03-27 10:33:55	Tom^	its just gl ontop of vulkan
2024-03-27 10:34:40	jelle	oh right other way around :D
2024-03-27 10:39:39	Tom^	wouldnt surprise me if its very broken since even 550 is kinda broken
2024-03-27 10:39:49	Tom^	so yeah it probably wont ever get fixed wyre 
2024-03-27 10:39:51	Tom^	welcome to nvidia
2024-03-27 10:40:03	wyre	😢
2024-03-27 10:40:28	wyre	won't they free the source code of their drivers? 
2024-03-27 10:40:34	Tom^	no
2024-03-27 10:46:01	BetweenUs	  /close 
2024-03-27 10:48:59	⚡ 	gromit opens BetweenUs
2024-03-27 10:56:16	BetweenUs	^
2024-03-27 11:01:34	Earnestly	Tom^: https://www.furygpu.com/
2024-03-27 11:01:35	phrik	Title: FuryGpu (at www.furygpu.com)
2024-03-27 11:01:50	bluetail	BetweenUs u mean between.us ?
2024-03-27 11:02:11	bluetail	" Between is a mobile app for couples in love! "
2024-03-27 11:03:10	bluetail	Earnestly what am I looking at? A prototype?
2024-03-27 11:09:24	wyre	so do you recommend me AMD graphics for the next setup? 
2024-03-27 11:09:32	wyre	what about gaming in AMD? 
2024-03-27 11:09:40	jelle	what about it?
2024-03-27 11:09:54	wyre	has it the same performance than Nvidia? 
2024-03-27 11:11:39	jelle	wyre: you can look that up :)
2024-03-27 11:11:47	Khorne	it has much better performance
2024-03-27 11:12:04	jelle	plus it all depends on price/performance anyway
2024-03-27 11:12:06	Khorne	an 7900xtx is a generational leap over a gt710
2024-03-27 11:12:15	Khorne	multi generational even
2024-03-27 11:12:19	jelle	lel
2024-03-27 11:15:47	wyre	I'm wondering what would be the best CPU + GPU for gaming in Arch 🤔
2024-03-27 11:16:09	virtualsid	the fastest you can afford.
2024-03-27 11:16:21	jelle	well amd + 3d cache
2024-03-27 11:16:28	jelle	then again that depends :p
2024-03-27 11:16:31	BetweenUs	something is between us.
2024-03-27 11:20:42	Pikk3wyn	id probably go without the 3d version
2024-03-27 11:22:07	Khorne	why
2024-03-27 11:22:44	Pikk3wyn	they are more fragile
2024-03-27 11:23:22	Khorne	How so?
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2024-03-27 11:24:24	Pikk3wyn	more sensitive to higher voltages + thermals
2024-03-27 11:24:46	Pikk3wyn	the non 3d chips also have better gains from undervolting
2024-03-27 11:25:05	Tom^	Earnestly: "Supporting hardware features equivalent to a high-end graphics card of the mid 1990s" to bad my phone does it about 100x times better then
2024-03-27 11:25:07	Tom^	xD
2024-03-27 11:25:14	Tom^	software rendered
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2024-03-27 11:25:22	virtualsid	TIL: 3d cache
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2024-03-27 11:25:59	jelle	Pikk3wyn: I mean that all assumes tweaking
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2024-03-27 11:28:50	Pikk3wyn	jelle: it's just a case of setting a negative voltage curve
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2024-03-27 11:29:13	jelle	Pikk3wyn: which 99% of the users don't care about
2024-03-27 11:29:39	Pikk3wyn	99% of users dont use arch
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2024-03-27 11:31:38	espresso	Vulkan is truly impressive, and dxvk conversion layer works well in wine too
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2024-03-27 11:32:00	virtualsid	Pikk3wyn: I use Arch, but I can't say I've done overclocking... That sounds like even more effort :P
2024-03-27 11:32:16	Pikk3wyn	it's not overclocking that's the best part :)
2024-03-27 11:32:36	virtualsid	fiddling with crazy weird stuff then :P
2024-03-27 11:32:45	Pikk3wyn	undervolting just needs setting a negative voltage curve in bios
2024-03-27 11:32:52	Pikk3wyn	its 1 setting
2024-03-27 11:33:12	virtualsid	Sure, but it's one setting that I have no idea about, without reading up moar.
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2024-03-27 11:33:46	virtualsid	Maybe I'm missing out, and I should be tweaking more things like that. I just use the bios to enable/disable hardware, etc.
2024-03-27 11:33:53	BrainDamage	you're still rolling the dice against production testing, binning, and process tolerances
2024-03-27 11:34:04	virtualsid	^^ that
2024-03-27 11:34:04	Pikk3wyn	fair enough lol but we are arch users
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2024-03-27 11:34:20	Pikk3wyn	the undervolting is nice because its not some weird random setting, i dont mess with overclocking either
2024-03-27 11:34:56	virtualsid	I'm not sure "arch users" is a valid response :P I'm an Arch user, and I don't feel like I'm rolling the dice against prod testing, umm (what's equivalent of binning), and stuff, I've definitely run out of steam
2024-03-27 11:35:22	Pikk3wyn	the 7000 series chips are by and large volted high from the factory
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2024-03-27 11:35:38	vycka	shame undervolting is disabled on new cpu cuz of vulnerabilities 
2024-03-27 11:36:01	virtualsid	why is undervolting desirable?
2024-03-27 11:36:08	vycka	lower temp
2024-03-27 11:36:11	vycka	mostly laptop
2024-03-27 11:36:14	virtualsid	ohhhh
2024-03-27 11:36:24	virtualsid	I assumed it was a performance gain!
2024-03-27 11:36:25	Pikk3wyn	so you can get more boost 
2024-03-27 11:36:30	Pikk3wyn	it is a performance gain lol
2024-03-27 11:36:39	Pikk3wyn	chip is cooler so boost clock runs longer
2024-03-27 11:36:40	virtualsid	oh, this is making my head spin
2024-03-27 11:36:49	vycka	though its can be finicky with stability
2024-03-27 11:36:52	Pikk3wyn	ja
2024-03-27 11:37:04	Pikk3wyn	some chips can only get -5, some can get -20 or even -25 curve
2024-03-27 11:37:20	Pikk3wyn	there is no direct performance increase, but it allows it to boost for longer
2024-03-27 11:37:20	virtualsid	computers are too complicated now. bring back the 68000, 32 bit registers and 16 bit processors was all we ever needed anyway.
2024-03-27 11:37:26	Pikk3wyn	hehe ja
2024-03-27 11:37:32	vycka	i recall that 8th gen intel  could go like -100 mV
2024-03-27 11:37:46	vycka	on laptop
2024-03-27 11:38:01	vycka	bring back abacus
2024-03-27 11:38:03	virtualsid	hmm
2024-03-27 11:38:05	Pikk3wyn	the undervolt you generally want to use on these chips is curve adjustment
2024-03-27 11:38:20	Pikk3wyn	you can do an absolute undervolt as well but it's way less useful
2024-03-27 11:38:51	vycka	i assume that requires a fancy motherboard?
2024-03-27 11:38:51	virtualsid	we're way off topic now, but I'm curious - why?
2024-03-27 11:38:57	sunyibo	kdenlive crashes upon launch. How can I troubleshoot?
2024-03-27 11:39:03	Pikk3wyn	vycka: no
2024-03-27 11:39:04	Tom^	vycka: my legion lets me enable it again in bios tho
2024-03-27 11:39:11	vycka	try run it from terminal
2024-03-27 11:39:16	Pikk3wyn	if you want to tweak it a lot there is an advanced setting where you can set undervolt curve per core, so if 1-2 core is less stable you can have -5 on those but -20 on the rest etc, but that is way to much effort for me
2024-03-27 11:39:22	Tom^	wyre: -110mV runs 10-15C cooler lol
2024-03-27 11:39:24	Pikk3wyn	way too much finicking around and reboots
2024-03-27 11:39:28	Tom^	vycka: ^
2024-03-27 11:39:56	vycka	funny i got a legion too
2024-03-27 11:39:56	BrainDamage	sunyibo: run in gdb
2024-03-27 11:40:10	virtualsid	try it from a terminal first, lol
2024-03-27 11:40:27	Pikk3wyn	not sure if it can be done from terminal lol that would be dependant on vendor support
2024-03-27 11:40:30	teraflops	not the first person that reports it iirc
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2024-03-27 11:40:35	Pikk3wyn	if its even possible to adjust voltage curve while booted
2024-03-27 11:40:53	virtualsid	Pikk3wyn: sorry, that was for sunyibo - to try kdenlive from the terminal
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2024-03-27 11:40:57	Pikk3wyn	oh haha
2024-03-27 11:41:24	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/WLFQ
2024-03-27 11:41:25	phrik	Title: View paste WLFQ (at bpa.st)
2024-03-27 11:42:19	virtualsid	is that it, sunyibo? it ends there? doesn't go back to a prompt?
2024-03-27 11:42:40	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/2SGA
2024-03-27 11:42:42	phrik	Title: View paste 2SGA (at bpa.st)
2024-03-27 11:42:45	Pikk3wyn	now what i really want is support to turn off the rgb on my ram
2024-03-27 11:42:52	opsbk	I have a sensitive question. Is tehre an issue with Segaja? It seems like most of his packages are unmaintained https://archlinux.org/packages/?packager=Segaja&sort=-last_update
2024-03-27 11:42:54	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
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2024-03-27 11:43:01	Pikk3wyn	they had 10% off the rgb version and i'm beginning to think the saving was not worth it
2024-03-27 11:43:13	jelle	opsbk: they are fine
2024-03-27 11:43:30	opsbk	What do you mean?
2024-03-27 11:43:53	jelle	opsbk: they are still active and working on updating ruby
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2024-03-27 11:47:13	opsbk	End of support for Ruby 3.0 is in 5 days https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/downloads/branches/
2024-03-27 11:47:15	phrik	Title: Ruby Maintenance Branches (at www.ruby-lang.org)
2024-03-27 11:47:35	opsbk	Could I help maintaining some ruby packages?
2024-03-27 11:47:51	opsbk	Will it help if I PR on gitlab?
2024-03-27 11:48:44	jelle	likely not
2024-03-27 11:49:00	opsbk	So not possible to provide any help?
2024-03-27 11:49:13	Segaja	sadly no
2024-03-27 11:49:21	Segaja	not on the ruby front at least.
2024-03-27 11:49:28	vycka	is ruby a runtime dependency?
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2024-03-27 11:49:38	Segaja	if you have any non-ruby package from me that you see is ood then feel free to ping me about it and i can update it most likely fast
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2024-03-27 11:50:03	Segaja	vycka: for some tools it is a runtime dependency yes
2024-03-27 11:50:20	vycka	what a pain
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2024-03-27 11:50:48	Segaja	opsbk: the problem btw. is not any random ruby package. the problem is the main ruby core package. updating that is just painful and i have been working on it for a while now and getting closer to the goal
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2024-03-27 11:50:55	gromit	opsbk: see i.e. https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/ruby/-/merge_requests/1 for "just bump this" reaction
2024-03-27 11:50:56	phrik	Title: Update ruby to 3.2.2 (!1) · Merge requests · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / ruby · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-03-27 11:51:13	opsbk	runtime dependency for vagrant, asciidoctor, metasploit, puppet, passenger to quote only the most famous
2024-03-27 11:52:15	opsbk	@gromit thx I'll read that
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2024-03-27 11:53:24	Segaja	i'm painfully aware of multiple issues with ruby in arch right now. not only that it is out of date but other issues aswell. I am addressing most of them in the next update and I hope I can get it out soon. I haven been working on this on and off since I joined arch as a package maintainer over 2 years ago...
2024-03-27 11:54:16	opsbk	yeah I see, gitlab metasploit and tons of gems are working only with old ruby version which prevent from updating it
2024-03-27 11:54:35	opsbk	I guess it's the same that prevent to update to python 3.12
2024-03-27 11:54:36	Segaja	well i know for a fact that gitlab has done updates on that. 
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2024-03-27 11:55:56	Segaja	and to be honest I have no idea about the reasons behind a missing python update. but i think it is also in the works
2024-03-27 11:56:29	jelle	it is coming
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2024-03-27 11:57:08	opsbk	I guess it would be a lot of work, but would that be possible to have a system like archlinux-java for python and ruby? So we could have several versions installed at once?
2024-03-27 11:57:18	jelle	no please!
2024-03-27 11:57:27	opsbk	:D
2024-03-27 11:57:33	jelle	let's double the work
2024-03-27 11:57:39	opsbk	ok I said something stupid
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2024-03-27 11:57:56	BrainDamage	it'd be a nightmare at least for python, several packages are built against binary libraries
2024-03-27 11:58:20	BrainDamage	so you'd need n rebuilds more for each version of python you'd need to support
2024-03-27 11:58:28	mpan	opsbk: Python has that built-in already, you just need to package it yourself.
2024-03-27 11:58:40	Segaja	for ruby also. there is ruby2.7 as a package which i hope we can burn soon. I don't want to maintain multiple ruby versions
2024-03-27 11:58:45	mpan	opsbk: combine that with venv to deal with different library versions.
2024-03-27 11:59:01	jelle	for Python the problem is tooling, and we have too many shit python packages in the repos
2024-03-27 11:59:25	opsbk	mpan: I'm already using https://asdf-vm.com/ to get a virtual env with a mroe recent version
2024-03-27 11:59:26	phrik	Title: asdf | asdf (at asdf-vm.com)
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2024-03-27 12:04:34	opsbk	yeah and dependeing how upstram is pinning and updating dependencies, you could have package A with libxyz 1.23.5 and package B with 1.23.4 while they would both work with 1.23.5
2024-03-27 12:04:44	Khorne	Exactly
2024-03-27 12:05:08	opsbk	ok lunchtime
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2024-03-27 12:05:20	opsbk	I wish you all the best for maintaining all that
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2024-03-27 12:06:53	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/ how can I fix this. I would be ok with deleting ib-tws , but I don't know how to get it out of aur sync
2024-03-27 12:06:54	phrik	Title: Create new paste (at bpa.st)
2024-03-27 12:07:11	jelle	sunyibo: you linked an empty paste
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2024-03-27 12:08:57	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/AHVA sorry about that
2024-03-27 12:08:59	phrik	Title: View paste AHVA (at bpa.st)
2024-03-27 12:09:55	Khorne	Drop it from your aur repo
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2024-03-27 12:10:14	sunyibo	and how do I do that?
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2024-03-27 12:10:53	Khorne	repo-remove
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2024-03-27 12:12:30	sunyibo	thank you.
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2024-03-27 14:05:35	alwyn	How can I add certain options to an openvpn connection in NetworkManager? For example I want to set up-restart, but it doesn't take a value, same with down-pre. 'set vpn.data up-restart' says I have to use <option>=<value>
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2024-03-27 14:08:54	hendry	i somehow have "suspend" command in my shell and i'm not sure how it's implemented
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2024-03-27 14:09:13	hendry	since `whereis suspend` has not results
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2024-03-27 14:09:42	Khorne	`type suspend`
2024-03-27 14:10:10	nathan	or `which suspend`
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2024-03-27 14:11:00	hendry	"suspend is a shell builtin" ... oh
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2024-03-27 14:11:06	hendry	TIL
2024-03-27 14:11:06	teraflops	zsh?
2024-03-27 14:11:09	hendry	bash
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2024-03-27 14:41:17	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-03-27 14:44:41	susi	or whence -v suspend!
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2024-03-27 14:46:54	alad	suspend! not found
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2024-03-27 15:04:57	hendry	weird
2024-03-27 15:05:33	teraflops	!surprisedpikachu
2024-03-27 15:05:33	phrik	https://paste.priet.us/suprised_pikachu.jpg
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2024-03-27 15:14:03	_xRichard__	in irc is there a cyber security channel ?
2024-03-27 15:14:15	llua	yes
2024-03-27 15:14:28	teraflops	 /msg alis list security
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2024-03-27 15:14:33	teraflops	something like that
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2024-03-27 15:15:43	gromit	_xRichard__: do you have a general interest in the topic or an Arch Linux vulnerability to report? 
2024-03-27 15:16:09	_xRichard__	teraflops: tnx gromit: both actually
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2024-03-27 15:19:08	gromit	_xRichard__: interesting, please open a confidential issue on the bugtracker or follow other priciples of responsible disclosure :) 
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2024-03-27 16:17:00	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-27 16:17:00	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1451 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1450 regular)
2024-03-27 15:33:28	Antiz	_xRichard__: #archlinux-security is the Arch security channel BTW.
2024-03-27 15:37:00	Antiz	If this is about an already known/reported CVE on a specific package or something not specific to Arch itself, should be safe to just post it there. I assume you're able to judge whether the vulnerability you want to report should be reported privately or not :) 
2024-03-27 16:17:00	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-03-27 16:33:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-03-27 16:38:04	badsektor	i use harshlinux, btw
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2024-03-27 16:45:03	Joban	I'm more of a https://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/ guy.
2024-03-27 16:45:04	phrik	Title: Home (at hannahmontana.sourceforge.net)
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2024-03-27 16:50:27	wj-	So - kind of new to Arch. Deviated a little bit from it (because I wanted LUKS+SecureBoot). When asked to put the LUKS password in at boot, the GPU blinks out for a sec and the keyboard backlighting turns off. Then back on. I think it's my order of operations in the hooks section of mkinicpio.conf but IDK. I was wondering if I could just paste it and have someone make fun of me for doing it
2024-03-27 16:50:27	wj-	wrong - because I"m 90% sure that's what it is.
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2024-03-27 16:50:37	wj-	HOOKS=(base systemd autodetect microcode modconf kms keyboard keyboard sd-vconsole sd-encrypt block filesystems fsck)
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2024-03-27 16:51:24	wj-	oh goddamnit, keyboard is in there twice
2024-03-27 16:52:03	wj-	guess that answers that
2024-03-27 16:52:10	akik	what does "GPU blinks" mean?
2024-03-27 16:52:14	alwyn	If I start an openvpn connection manually with "sudo openvpn /etc/openvpn/client/my-client.conf" it works fine, but if I enable and start with "sudo systemctl start openvpn-client@my-client.service" I get a permission denied on my key file. How? Why? :/
2024-03-27 16:52:31	wj-	akik: The monitor goes blank for a sec
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2024-03-27 16:52:55	wj-	It didn't happen before I switched to systemd/sd-encrypt/vconsole. So I"m assuming I loaded things wrong
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2024-03-27 16:54:06	alwyn	https://bpa.st/CIIQ
2024-03-27 16:54:07	phrik	Title: View paste CIIQ (at bpa.st)
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2024-03-27 16:56:05	wj-	alwyn: I had something similar happen with openVPN because I had the config file user/group as nobody
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2024-03-27 17:00:11	alwyn	They're both root, I tried root:alwyn :P
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2024-03-27 17:38:24	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-03-27 17:06:30	MacGyver	alwyn: Have you checked the permissions openvpn-client@.service uses?
2024-03-27 17:06:36	MacGyver	alwyn: I'll give you a hint, they're not root/root.
2024-03-27 17:10:03	badsektor	i use arch btw
2024-03-27 17:10:12	MacGyver	alwyn: `systemctl cat openvpn-client@my-client.service` will show you the (unified) configuration that the unit will run as.
2024-03-27 17:30:41	alwyn	MacGyver: systemctl cat openvpn-client@my-client.service references /usr/lib/systemd/system/openvpn-client@.service, which is root:root 
2024-03-27 17:30:55	MacGyver	alwyn: Not the permissions on the file.
2024-03-27 17:30:59	MacGyver	alwyn: Read the output.
2024-03-27 17:31:09	alwyn	Ahh openvpn:network
2024-03-27 17:31:41	MacGyver	There you go.
2024-03-27 17:32:40	alwyn	Thanks!
2024-03-27 17:34:00	alwyn	Is there a way to get user/pass from an external provider? Like a script, so I can run 'pass $vpn' :D
2024-03-27 17:34:19	Gnana	How i get notification from ncmcpp to mako?
2024-03-27 17:36:13	noobaroo	How can I get opencl working on my intel system?
2024-03-27 17:38:24	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-27 17:39:10	novns	noobaroo, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GPGPU#Intel
2024-03-27 17:39:11	phrik	Title: GPGPU - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-27 17:41:14	noobaroo	Yeah, I've seen that page.
2024-03-27 17:41:19	noobaroo	novns https://0x0.st/Xs30.txt
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2024-03-27 17:42:02	noobaroo	I would like to use intel-compute-runtime, I don't really want to use clover, but I've tried both and neither work
2024-03-27 17:42:16	novns	noobaroo, have you added yourself to the video group just in case?
2024-03-27 17:42:22	noobaroo	I have an intel i5-11400, should be plenty new
2024-03-27 17:42:31	noobaroo	I'll try that, thanks for the suggestion
2024-03-27 17:43:05	noobaroo	Well it looks like I'm already in the video group
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2024-03-27 17:44:21	teraflops	Gnana: you install something like mpris instead
2024-03-27 17:44:31	teraflops	mpdris rather
2024-03-27 17:44:49	noobaroo	novns I'm going to try to reboot my system, maybe after installing `intel-compute-runtime` a reboot is required for it to start working
2024-03-27 17:44:50	Celmor	Hi. I'm trying to monitor compression (input vs output) stats of xz which is reading from a pipeline. I thought pv used to be able to attach to a process and give me input/output statistics but now it just prints something like "pv: pid 927752: fd 3: pipe:[3753823]: not a regular file or block device" for `pv -d $(pgrep xz):3`
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2024-03-27 17:47:20	noobaroo	I need to wait 90 minutes because I have a download running at the moment
2024-03-27 17:47:37	noobaroo	Is a reboot required after installing the opencl stuff for it to start working?
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2024-03-27 17:49:45	novns	noobaroo, maybe no of you load modules yourself
2024-03-27 17:49:50	novns	*if
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2024-03-27 17:55:55	noobaroo	What is the name of the module?
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2024-03-27 17:57:27	novns	I have no idea
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2024-03-27 17:57:59	novns	I live in a happy NVIDIA/CUDA world
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2024-03-27 17:59:32	noobaroo	Do you use wayland?
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2024-03-27 18:10:52	teraflops	noson-app
2024-03-27 18:10:56	teraflops	oops
2024-03-27 18:11:09	novns	yes, just started using it because new GNOME has a LOT of problems in Xorg session
2024-03-27 18:11:39	novns	but I was happy with X before
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2024-03-27 18:12:59	novns	noobaroo, but when I really use CUDA things I boot me windows
2024-03-27 18:13:55	novns	because of the software I have to use
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2024-03-27 19:10:02	pussydog	so, you woke up one day and sat in front of your laptop and powered it on and it had this problem?
2024-03-27 19:11:09	linuxfan	pussydog nope, i use the laptop everyday. did a clean install of arch linux a month ago. been a windows user before that.
2024-03-27 19:11:32	pussydog	for how long you have had this problem?
2024-03-27 19:11:43	linuxfan	since 3-4 days
2024-03-27 19:11:54	Gordinator	quite brave of you to be jumping straight into arch from windows
2024-03-27 19:12:36	linuxfan	susi i edited using nano on the terminal and added a line to enable caps lock
2024-03-27 19:13:41	linuxfan	Gordinator it took me 6 times to install it correctly, manually not with the script.
2024-03-27 19:13:56	susi	how do you 'enable caps lock' in lightdm.conf?
2024-03-27 19:13:59	susi	I don't understand this
2024-03-27 19:14:27	Gordinator	linuxfan that gives me flashbacks of trying to get garuda linux installed
2024-03-27 19:15:00	linuxfan	in lightdm.conf was to reset the keyboard layout and not to enable caps lock specifically. these are the two solutions i got and tried
2024-03-27 19:15:33	raccct	Would like to annotate screenshots in Arch with a highlighter. Anyone knows a good solution?
2024-03-27 19:16:00	Gordinator	what window manager/desktop environment are you on?
2024-03-27 19:16:09	susi	have you tried without doing anything weird in your configs, if stuff works then
2024-03-27 19:16:24	linuxfan	Gordinator this is an old laptop, hence wanted something powerful but not bloated, went with arch and xfce after a lot of reading.
2024-03-27 19:16:25	whoami	plenty of options here. ksnip & hotshots mention annotation - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Screen_capture
2024-03-27 19:16:26	phrik	Title: Screen capture - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-27 19:16:45	whoami	i just use maim/scrot and open gimp if i need to annotate
2024-03-27 19:16:50	Gordinator	raccct: what window manager/desktop environment are you on?
2024-03-27 19:16:50	noobaroo	Can anyone help me get opencl to work?
2024-03-27 19:17:12	raccct	Gordinator: dwm
2024-03-27 19:17:27	Gordinator	in that case try flameshot, it's pretty lightweight and powerful
2024-03-27 19:17:36	Gordinator	can capture regions, annotate, etc.
2024-03-27 19:17:40	noobaroo	Here is my output of `clinfo`: https://0x0.st/Xs30.txt
2024-03-27 19:17:49	rounak	I have a question. Does wayland work in xfce ?
2024-03-27 19:17:58	raccct	whoami: thx! been thru the list before, more looking for a direct solution (without gimp) but thanks anyways
2024-03-27 19:18:19	linuxfan	Gordinator using XFCE desktop environment with LightDM
2024-03-27 19:18:33	Gordinator	rounak: no, Wayland support is on a per-desktop environment basis, and I'm pretty sure xfce has no plans to port to wayland
2024-03-27 19:18:34	susi	linuxfan: lightdm is deprecated anyways, and does not understand rootlessXorg
2024-03-27 19:18:51	susi	it hasn't been developed in some 13 years or so
2024-03-27 19:19:02	Gordinator	i'd use something like sddm if you need graphical, but i use ly-dm because of how lightweight it is
2024-03-27 19:19:38	raccct	Gordinator: thx. I think I tried flameshot before. Felt a bit heavy tho. I can give it another 'shot' if nothing else pops up. Thanks!
2024-03-27 19:19:49	rounak	Gordinator: Sadge :'/
2024-03-27 19:19:56	linuxfan	susi i only edited the conf files after facing this issue but that didn't help anyways
2024-03-27 19:20:02	Gordinator	rounak: good one!
2024-03-27 19:20:18	rounak	afaik cinnamon will support wayland soon
2024-03-27 19:20:31	susi	linuxfan: how do you 'enable caps lock' in lightdm.conf?
2024-03-27 19:20:36	whoami	i've used sharex before, but i wouldn't exactly call it lightweight
2024-03-27 19:20:43	whoami	very flexible though
2024-03-27 19:20:56	Gordinator	sharex has no linux support whatsover, but i did miss it until i found flameshot
2024-03-27 19:21:01	whoami	oh derp
2024-03-27 19:21:08	Gordinator	although now that im on wayland flameshot is busted so...
2024-03-27 19:21:09	whoami	i coulda swore it suported linux. sorry
2024-03-27 19:21:26	linuxfan	susi i was not enabling caps lock in lightdm.conf. i was only reseting keyboard layout.
2024-03-27 19:22:11	Gordinator	whoami: i just checked, it's windows only, and from what i remember, doesn't work under wine
2024-03-27 19:25:55	whoami	(did not mean to imply you were mistaken - apologies again)
2024-03-27 19:26:23	linuxfan	susi i was trying to enable caps lock using vconsole.conf because when i manually press the caps lock key during booting, i do not face the problem of caps lock enabled at log in screen and the keyboard works
2024-03-27 19:26:46	Gordinator	whoami: don't worry, emotions are difficult to communicate over text, I am not upset in any way
2024-03-27 19:27:13	Gordinator	linuxfan: i would just use something other than lightdm, there are dozens of options to choose from available in both repos and aur
2024-03-27 19:28:27	linuxfan	sure, will try with another display manager
2024-03-27 19:29:19	linuxfan	thank you both for the help :-) will check with different display manager and ping here later on.
2024-03-27 19:35:26	noobaroo	Can anyone help me get opencl to work?
2024-03-27 19:47:17	Gordinator	how did it go?
2024-03-27 19:47:51	Gordinator	SHA-256 checksum for /home/winfan3672/Downloads/Doom/DOOM.WAD (remote): ff2c301b8719465a6e386a512bfa319931b7f64ea517d337c5a47afe03951902
2024-03-27 19:48:03	linuxfan	it worked. i installed sddm and disabled lightdm
2024-03-27 19:48:14	Gordinator	awesome, good to see the issue fixed
2024-03-27 19:48:29	Gordinator	turns out a 16-year dead display manager doesn't play well with modern hardware
2024-03-27 19:49:42	linuxfan	yeah. i am trying and sticking to anything that uses the least system resource. hence was with lightdm.
2024-03-27 19:49:57	Gordinator	if you want something really light, try a console-based dm
2024-03-27 19:50:14	Gordinator	ly works great for me
2024-03-27 19:52:56	linuxfan	thanks, will try it out. i guess i need to configure it to launch xfce after login, so will save this for another day.
2024-03-27 19:54:03	Gordinator	cheers!
2024-03-27 19:54:24	nisstyre	in theory if it follows the X protocol it should still work
2024-03-27 19:54:44	linuxfan	cheers
2024-03-27 19:54:48	nisstyre	 but a lot of systemd stuff has been added that you probably need to start now
2024-03-27 19:54:59	nisstyre	dbus, etc
2024-03-27 20:13:37	rav	hi, new iso will be available at 1st april?
2024-03-27 20:13:57	bluetail	rav do not download on 1st april
2024-03-27 20:14:00	bluetail	you might download a joke
2024-03-27 20:14:06	bluetail	wait till 2nd april
2024-03-27 20:14:23	rav	:D
2024-03-27 20:14:32	gaku	bluetail: booo
2024-03-27 20:16:17	tatsumaru	hello, recently my i-net has been very choppy - speed is okay, but constantly stopping and starting. I can't link it to a hardware cause yet. is there any chance that I need to clean some cache or something?
2024-03-27 20:16:54	bluetail	tatsumaru you need a second device using the same internet to check
2024-03-27 20:17:35	bluetail	if you want on the same pc, you need a live image of a distribution of your choice to be sure that it is an software issue
2024-03-27 20:18:01	bluetail	chances are however slim that it is a pc issue rather than your provider having issues
2024-03-27 20:18:03	gaku	on the possibilities, it could be even the actual modem/router itself
2024-03-27 20:18:28	gaku	lack of information on if this is wifi/ethernet
2024-03-27 20:18:31	bluetail	gaku good routers log that tho
2024-03-27 20:18:42	bluetail	it would be funny if this is powerline
2024-03-27 20:18:49	bluetail	aka using the power line for ethernet / wifi
2024-03-27 20:18:59	bluetail	if you do use one of those devices, stop using them
2024-03-27 20:19:25	bluetail	they are making other devices misbehave because they are electronic jammers if you take it seriously
2024-03-27 20:19:42	tatsumaru	hmm, I will get the neighbor's laptop and test. is there a way to check if someone might be stealing inet?
2024-03-27 20:19:45	drathir_tor	tatsumaru: probably best bet check dns servers...
2024-03-27 20:20:20	gaku	someone should have a good summary of steps for debugging common i-net shenanigans
2024-03-27 20:20:45	⚡ 	gaku goes to the wiki
2024-03-27 20:20:51	tatsumaru	there are probably tons of steps, but it's always nicer to talk to people about it
2024-03-27 20:20:57	tatsumaru	tons of guides*
2024-03-27 20:21:03	bluetail	gaku why is shenanigan a she
2024-03-27 20:21:14	drathir_tor	tatsumaru: You can check under router connected client or just change router password to something strong wpa2/3 aes only...
2024-03-27 20:21:17	bluetail	cant we call them nanigans
2024-03-27 20:21:22	bluetail	nannygans
2024-03-27 20:21:23	bluetail	xD
2024-03-27 20:21:34	gehidore	...
2024-03-27 20:21:51	bluetail	ok, genanigans
2024-03-27 20:21:54	drathir_tor	tatsumaru: also disable wps first if enabled before wifi passwords changes performed...
2024-03-27 20:23:00	bluetail	people still use wps?
2024-03-27 20:23:12	bluetail	I thought it was put to the legacy bin 
2024-03-27 20:23:39	noobaroo	Can anyone help me get opencl to work? Here is my output of `clinfo`: https://0x0.st/Xs30.txt
2024-03-27 20:23:51	gaku	for ethernet <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration/Ethernet#Troubleshooting> for wifi <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration/Wireless#Troubleshooting>
2024-03-27 20:23:53	phrik	Title: Network configuration/Ethernet - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-27 20:24:58	gaku	Additional information, and probably logs will be useful. I bet there's warning blarring when something happens.
2024-03-27 20:25:44	bluetail	gaku I just learned u can also say henanigan
2024-03-27 20:25:56	bluetail	GPT told me
2024-03-27 20:25:56	bluetail	:D
2024-03-27 20:26:17	bluetail	https://chat.openai.com/share/c884813a-606d-4786-9a06-1bdd58c6dd82
2024-03-27 20:26:21	phrik	Title: ChatGPT (at chat.openai.com)
2024-03-27 20:26:48	gehidore	phrik give bluetail offtopic
2024-03-27 20:26:49	phrik	bluetail: Take it to #archlinux-offtopic
2024-03-27 20:29:23	noobaroo	I really need to get opencl to work guys, is anyone knowledgeable?
2024-03-27 20:30:35	bluetail	noobaroo wtf
2024-03-27 20:30:48	bluetail	You going to pay? Otherwise don't ask like that
2024-03-27 20:31:04	bluetail	Better: I have problem X, I tried Y, what else can I try?
2024-03-27 20:31:47	gaku	noobaroo: idk about it, but the "no platforms" is not looking good on my end, which means nothing cuz idk what I'm looking at... ¯\(º_o)/¯
2024-03-27 20:33:13	gaku	then again, `clinfo` on this potato looks like this 'https://0x0.st/Xsg1.txt'?
2024-03-27 20:34:13	bluetail	oh no, my clinfo looks different. My pc must be infested with bugs. Should I call the fire department? https://0x0.st/Xsgj.txt
2024-03-27 20:35:28	bluetail	noobaroo do you know how to exterminate cyberbugs?
2024-03-27 20:35:51	bluetail	!give bluetail offtopic
2024-03-27 20:35:52	phrik	bluetail: Take it to #archlinux-offtopic
2024-03-27 20:36:43	hay	During installation of grub (UEFI) i get Discarding improperly nested partition. What is the issue with the partition? (hostdisk//dev/nvme0n1,gpt4,gpt2) gpt3/4 etc
2024-03-27 20:37:18	Namarrgon	do you have nested partitions?
2024-03-27 20:37:30	hay	not afaik
2024-03-27 20:37:45	Namarrgon	did you check?
2024-03-27 20:38:24	hay	oh, i guess I have, since the partitions are part of a disk therefore they are nested?
2024-03-27 20:38:30	hay	dunno about the definition here
2024-03-27 20:38:43	Namarrgon	partitions inside of partitions is the definition
2024-03-27 20:38:51	hay	then no
2024-03-27 20:38:55	Namarrgon	did you check?
2024-03-27 20:38:57	hay	y
2024-03-27 20:39:02	Namarrgon	just cause
2024-03-27 20:39:03	hay	lsblk
2024-03-27 20:39:19	DQuinnl	I have Linux Mint on /dev/sda and I want to add Arch Linux to /dev/sdb
2024-03-27 20:39:19	DQuinnl	How can I go about this, please be as specific as you can.
2024-03-27 20:40:02	llua	follow the guide to install it on /dev/sdb
2024-03-27 20:40:05	noobaroo	Yeah, that's how it's supposed to look bluetail
2024-03-27 20:40:13	gaku	DQuinnl: I would say <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide> is ok, just avoid touching your Mint
2024-03-27 20:40:14	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-27 20:40:28	gaku	then don't break your already-installed bootloader, just add Arch to it
2024-03-27 20:40:55	noobaroo	gaku are you using intel too?
2024-03-27 20:41:14	hay	It's also a bit strange that the issue is within nvme0n1, according to my faulty logic it should try and install on the /boot which is nvme0n1p5 in my case
2024-03-27 20:41:16	gaku	noobaroo: I don't have an Intel system at hand
2024-03-27 20:41:28	gaku	none I can diddle at least
2024-03-27 20:41:42	hay	excuse my terrible lingo 
2024-03-27 20:41:43	Namarrgon	hay: it scans all available places
2024-03-27 20:41:57	hay	good to know
2024-03-27 20:41:57	Namarrgon	anything it can get its grubby hands on
2024-03-27 20:42:28	bluetail	s/grubby/chubby
2024-03-27 20:42:40	bluetail	.define grubby
2024-03-27 20:42:53	Namarrgon	bluetail: #archlinux-offtopic
2024-03-27 20:42:55	hay	I define through /boot/efi which is nvme0n1p5
2024-03-27 20:43:01	DQuinnl	So I have linux mint... on one disk, the internel SDD...and I want to install arch linux on /dev/sda1
2024-03-27 20:43:20	Namarrgon	DQuinnl: follow the installation guide on the wiki
2024-03-27 20:43:50	Namarrgon	go through the guide before you start, ask questions about the parts that aren't clear to you
2024-03-27 20:43:57	DQuinnl	I can't follow that.. its not telling me how to install it.
2024-03-27 20:44:19	bluetail	ok
2024-03-27 20:44:27	Namarrgon	if it looks like greek to you then perhaps you're tackling arch too soon in your linux career
2024-03-27 20:44:28	bluetail	disconnect all your disks except of the one you want to install something on
2024-03-27 20:44:33	bluetail	then run archinstall
2024-03-27 20:44:35	bluetail	k thx bye
2024-03-27 20:44:39	gaku	word of advice, arch is hard, don't diddle with arch just for luls
2024-03-27 20:44:40	noobaroo	Namarrgon do you know how I can get opencl to work? Preferably with `intel-compute-runtime` ?
2024-03-27 20:44:49	DQuinnl	there is not archinstall on the dvd
2024-03-27 20:44:51	Namarrgon	noobaroo: no idea, sorry
2024-03-27 20:45:18	bluetail	then run the equivalent
2024-03-27 20:45:22	DQuinnl	I downloaded the latest mirror, why they did away with the GUI install is tough.
2024-03-27 20:45:36	Namarrgon	arch never had a gui installer or gui live-iso
2024-03-27 20:45:37	gehidore	where did you download it from?
2024-03-27 20:45:51	DQuinnl	the download.
2024-03-27 20:45:54	bluetail	!notarch
2024-03-27 20:45:54	phrik	https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2024-03-27 20:45:56	gehidore	-_- link?
2024-03-27 20:46:05	hay	when I get the message; (hostdisk//dev/nvme0n1, gpt4, gpt2) What does gpt4,gpt2 mean in this regards? are they the allegedly nested partitions?
2024-03-27 20:46:15	Namarrgon	hay: most likely
2024-03-27 20:47:05	gehidore	interesting
2024-03-27 20:47:34	Namarrgon	iirc they've been here before, with a similar result
2024-03-27 20:47:45	demonicmaniac1	noobaroo: what is your hardware specifically?
2024-03-27 20:48:01	demonicmaniac1	intel compute runtime opencl is only for new intel igpus
2024-03-27 20:48:11	noobaroo	intel i5-11400 it should be plenty new
2024-03-27 20:48:48	hay	Could there be issues with having multiple EFI partitions? If so, how do I ensure the correct one is being used with a grub-install? I follow the wiki
2024-03-27 20:49:13	gehidore	there could be issues yeah
2024-03-27 20:49:24	astralc	there should be only one efi partition per disk
2024-03-27 20:49:31	demonicmaniac1	noobaroo: and you're using the intel igp or do you have any other gpus in the system?
2024-03-27 20:49:33	Namarrgon	you're the one who mounts the ESP and then explictily tell grub-install where to install it to
2024-03-27 20:50:02	hay	thats what I thought aswell, but had to ask to closer locate the issue
2024-03-27 20:50:10	Namarrgon	what issue?
2024-03-27 20:50:21	hay	apparently improperly nested partitions
2024-03-27 20:50:29	hay	which i cannot see in parted nor lsblk
2024-03-27 20:50:34	Namarrgon	was that a fatal error?
2024-03-27 20:50:42	hay	warning
2024-03-27 20:50:53	Namarrgon	then there is no issue from grub-install's point of view
2024-03-27 20:50:58	noobaroo	demonicmaniac1 thanks for your reply, intel igpu is all I'm using
2024-03-27 20:51:36	noobaroo	No one anywhere seems to know how to fix and Google is not at all helpful, seems hardly anyone ever has problems with this
2024-03-27 20:51:41	hay	oh, well, then I probably should have prefaced with saying I could not launch arch, I get sent to grub instead
2024-03-27 20:51:54	hay	clean install
2024-03-27 20:51:55	noobaroo	I can barely find any info about it at all online, I really need all help I can get
2024-03-27 20:52:30	hay	and grub is a mystery for the initiated
2024-03-27 20:53:03	astralc	hay: so use refind instead? ;)
2024-03-27 20:53:57	hay	astralc: I'll try, thx
2024-03-27 20:54:58	astralc	specifically for grub - you didn't forgot grub-mkconfig?
2024-03-27 20:55:06	noobaroo	Here is my output of `clinfo` with `opencl-clover-mesa` and `intel-compute-runtime`: https://0x0.st/Xs30.txt And I also just now discovered that I can get a seemingly working device in `clinfo` with `pocl` a hardware-independent driver: https://0x0.st/Xsgf.txt
2024-03-27 20:55:39	xx	dvzrv: in case you're around, I'm wondering whether you intentionally did not put ProtectClock=true in https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/dnscrypt-proxy/-/blob/main/dnscrypt-proxy.service?ref_type=heads and if so then what breakage you observed
2024-03-27 20:55:41	phrik	Title: dnscrypt-proxy.service · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / dnscrypt-proxy · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-03-27 20:55:47	noobaroo	I thought my problems were fixed, but there are still no compatible devices found in my application 
2024-03-27 20:55:58	noobaroo	Plus, I really would prefer the new intel driver anyhow
2024-03-27 20:58:15	hay	astralc: o_o ty
2024-03-27 21:01:07	noobaroo	But from the output of `clinfo` with `pocl` installed, that confirms that my PC definitely supports opencl
2024-03-27 21:01:54	noobaroo	Namarrgon do you know someone who might know?
2024-03-27 21:02:47	Namarrgon	noobaroo: most of the mesa related channels are over on oftc
2024-03-27 21:06:22	noobaroo	Okay thanks, never heard of the network before, is there a particular channel that pops up into mind?
2024-03-27 21:12:04	Namarrgon	noobaroo: i don't know but someone in #intel-3d or #intel-gfx might be able to redirect you to the correct one
2024-03-27 21:15:09	noobaroo	thanks
2024-03-27 21:26:58	cake37	Anyone else on testing? Update from a few hours ago broke sound for me :(
2024-03-27 21:27:49	cake37	journal is full of org.kde.plasma.pulseaudio: context kaput and and pactl fails to connect to the pa server
2024-03-27 21:28:13	Namarrgon	do you also have [kde-unstable] enabled?
2024-03-27 21:30:33	cake37	[core-testing] and [extra-testing] so I suppose so, yes
2024-03-27 21:30:52	demonicmaniac1	noobaroo: can you list /etc/OpenCL/vendors/
2024-03-27 21:31:06	Namarrgon	if there is no [kde-unstable] repo listed in pacman.conf then the answer would be "no"
2024-03-27 21:31:11	demonicmaniac1	i'm curious if it's just a loader/detection issue
2024-03-27 21:31:13	cake37	I understand what I signed up for, I'm just wondering if someone else is having the same issue 
2024-03-27 21:31:47	demonicmaniac1	noobaroo: can also try OCL_ICD_VENDOR=/whatevethefullpacetotheintelcomputeruntime.icd is clinfo
2024-03-27 21:31:56	Namarrgon	cake37: does the issue go away if you downgrade only the "linux" kernel?
2024-03-27 21:32:02	Namarrgon	assuming you're using that one
2024-03-27 21:32:06	gaku	cake37: he asks cuz without kde-unstable you might have partial upgrade scenario?
2024-03-27 21:32:21	cake37	Oh
2024-03-27 21:32:28	cake37	Yeah, I don't have kde-unstable in there
2024-03-27 21:32:34	gaku	afaik that's an easy way to break stuff
2024-03-27 21:33:47	cake37	Namarrgon: the update included a kernel update so it could be that, yes. I should try either downgrading the kernel or adding kde-unstable, yes?
2024-03-27 21:34:21	Namarrgon	start with the kernel
2024-03-27 21:34:28	gromit	cake37: also did you reboot your machine since? 
2024-03-27 21:35:39	cake37	Yep, it all started after the reboot. Plasma gets stuck for like a minute after sddm with a black screen and then just the cursor. Switching to another tty then back to tty1 eventually shows the desktop, and sound is broken, so yeah something broke :(
2024-03-27 21:36:34	MrElendig	cake37: check if it breaks the same way with gdm
2024-03-27 21:37:00	gromit	cake37: there was another report of broken mic with the latest stable, but I guess thats a different thing 
2024-03-27 21:38:32	noobaroo	demonicmaniac1 `ls /etc/OpenCL/vendors` returns "intel.icd" and "pocl.icd"
2024-03-27 21:40:06	noobaroo	OCL_ICD_VENDOR= doesn't seem to do anything 
2024-03-27 21:49:04	demonicmaniac1	noobaroo: hm final 2 things i can think of - are you loading intel firmware microcode in your initrd? need that for opencl on intel
2024-03-27 21:51:13	noobaroo	Yes I'm loading the intel firmware microcode
2024-03-27 21:51:23	noobaroo	Well, thanks anyway
2024-03-27 21:56:11	bonob	when samba is updated, the service needs to be restarted. I set up a custom hook not long ago, and it just got triggered for the first time now I think, working as expected. I'm wondering: (1) is that the best solution, (2) could that be contributed somehow? It doesn't make sense to ship the hook I think, because people may have samba installed but not running.
2024-03-27 22:01:03	gaku	bonob: few things ship such things by default, and arch tends to stick with what upstream does
2024-03-27 22:01:33	gaku	now, idk much about Samba, does it break without a restart after an update?
2024-03-27 22:02:47	demonicmaniac1	noobaroo: final thing would be making sure intel-compute-runtime and intel-graphics-compiler are the "right" version and you didn't syu from a weird mirror during a bad time
2024-03-27 22:03:05	demonicmaniac1	noobaroo: intel mandates compute runtime and graphics compiler to be from the same release
2024-03-27 22:03:45	bonob	gaku: yes, it breaks after an update. I've met this issue for years.
2024-03-27 22:04:56	bonob	a simple way to contribute my solution is a tip on the wiki, I'm just not confident that my solution is optimal..
2024-03-27 22:06:09	cake37	Adding [kde-unstable] and updating fixed the issue. Seems like it was indeed a partial upgrade scenario because I'm on testing but didn't have the kde-unstable repo enabled. Honestly surprised I managed to survive for so long without something breaking. gaku Namarrgon gromit: thank you.
2024-03-27 22:06:40	Namarrgon	why did you add the repo? now you still don't know which change caused the isse.
2024-03-27 22:07:00	Namarrgon	kde-unstable does not need to be enabled, the -testing repos are independent of it
2024-03-27 22:07:53	Namarrgon	if you do use the kde-unstable you have to also enable the testing repos but not the other way around
2024-03-27 22:08:20	gaku	ups, apologies on my end then :\
2024-03-27 22:10:52	cake37	Namarrgon: I see. I'm fairly sure it was the kernel since there were very few packages in that pacman update. (I have a habit of running pacman -Syu every couple of hours), but yeah I still can't be 100% certain. 
2024-03-27 22:18:54	burakcank	cake37: nasty habit. I was doing the same, albeit less frequently. Try to deal with that fomo urge.
2024-03-27 22:21:49	gromit	burakcank: not a nasty habit, you just have to have the skills to fix some stuff here and there 
2024-03-27 22:21:49	gaku	It'll be safer, too. Always check the news before updates.
2024-03-27 22:22:28	gromit	Maybe also use filesystem snapshotting or a real backup so you can roll back updates :) 
2024-03-27 22:22:57	gaku	Or be like me, with a bunch of AUR stuff that may, or may not need recompiling after linkage borkage? Makes the process much more measured.
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2024-03-27 22:59:49	kevr	bonob: you can always add your note to a troubleshooting section near the footer of the article, could help some people dealing with it, but not part of the standard sections of the article if you feel that it's niche or something. the more info, the better, imo
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2024-03-27 23:02:43	bonob	kevr: not the main article sure kevr. I was thinking in "Tips and tricks" rather than in "Troubleshooting", but I hear your advice.
2024-03-27 23:02:57	kevr	:)
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2024-03-27 23:05:52	alad	:)
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2024-03-27 23:08:30	teraflops	😸
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2024-03-27 23:10:18	alad	teraflops: https://i.imgur.com/vQmhIbd.jpeg
2024-03-27 23:10:41	teraflops	<3
2024-03-27 23:10:55	alad	I like cats, I like every kind of cat
2024-03-27 23:11:07	alad	but I can't love all of them :'(
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2024-03-27 23:13:47	ectospasm	I like cats too, but they don't always love you back.
2024-03-27 23:14:02	ectospasm	As they say:  dogs have owners, cats have staff.
2024-03-27 23:14:06	alad	wow rude
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2024-03-27 23:17:39	Earnestly	alad: https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1772484882028978176/pu/vid/avc1/360x640/X3r2fR-cDYJmiPMR.mp4?tag=12
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2024-03-27 23:24:13	rcf	awwww
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2024-03-27 23:25:27	cloudowind	i thought i was in aot:)
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2024-03-27 23:25:47	phrik	ops are on it's ok
2024-03-27 23:25:59	alad	Earnestly: a true : O
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2024-03-27 23:26:47	alad	this statement is correct
2024-03-27 23:27:43	teraflops	last one https://paste.priet.us/IMG_0574.jpeg
2024-03-27 23:28:07	alad	\ : D /
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2024-03-27 23:30:35	gromit	!test
2024-03-27 23:30:36	phrik	[FAIL]
2024-03-27 23:35:16	kevr	meow
2024-03-27 23:36:07	akik	are squirrels ok too?
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2024-03-27 23:42:23	ectospasm	akik:  I hope you don't find this too offensive, regarding some poor squirrel:  https://imgur.com/a/oG525kg
2024-03-27 23:42:25	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
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2024-03-27 23:43:55	ectospasm	I wonder if the person that took that photo tried to help this squirrel out.
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2024-03-28 00:08:49	m15k	Hi. I have some problems with my podman installation: "Error: unable to start container fafdfa51a3a2c3aced43bf96d140d649b0b0c355883d5270463c42bdc7d5f022: failed to mount runtime directory for rootless netns: no such file or directory": More context: https://gist.github.com/asbachb/0d1a08e3e13ac4bb60071a47d9d2be99
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2024-03-28 00:13:24	Namarrgon	m15k: uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2024-03-28 00:14:05	m15k	Namarrgon: I guess I need to restart ;)
2024-03-28 00:21:55	ectospasm	it'll getcha e'ry time
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2024-03-28 13:37:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-28 13:37:04	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1429 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1428 regular)
2024-03-28 03:04:13	espresso	Yes, and that could be it! XD
2024-03-28 03:04:54	Scimmia	it's possible paccache is doing something strange. I just use pacman to clean up once in a while
2024-03-28 03:09:14	espresso	Actually I only have 'plasma5support' which is required by plasma-desktop. So I'm again uncertain..
2024-03-28 03:10:49	tijko	how to get the PPID of a Process?
2024-03-28 03:11:07	tijko	Preferable using a shell-util
2024-03-28 03:11:11	akik	tijko: you can see it in "ps -ef"
2024-03-28 03:11:21	tijko	I'm running `pidof` right now
2024-03-28 03:11:22	akik	3rd column
2024-03-28 03:11:50	tijko	akik So I'm looking at `ps -ef` | cut -d " " -f 3
2024-03-28 03:15:01	fairway	i never used archlinux before,   but i am willing to try it;  but one question before i download it
2024-03-28 03:15:03	espresso	Seems it can output that in formatting: ps -o ppid= -p <pid>
2024-03-28 03:15:32	fairway	does archlinux  support   japanese/korean  input 
2024-03-28 03:16:18	Namarrgon	fairway: sure, if you set it up
2024-03-28 03:16:29	espresso	fairway: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Localization/Korean  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Localization/Japanese
2024-03-28 03:16:30	phrik	Title: Localization/Korean - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-28 03:16:35	fairway	well it does not work in opensuse
2024-03-28 03:16:45	fairway	for some reason
2024-03-28 03:17:52	fairway	also does archlinux  allows me to  log in as root?
2024-03-28 03:18:00	fairway	because  linuxmint  does not let me
2024-03-28 03:18:00	Namarrgon	sure, if you set it up
2024-03-28 03:18:13	fairway	opensuse lets me log in as root but  linuxmint does not
2024-03-28 03:18:29	fairway	i think ubuntu does not let me either
2024-03-28 03:19:04	virtualsid	by default, I think Arch does allow root login at the local console. At least, I don't recall doing anything special, and my root login works on this machine.
2024-03-28 03:19:34	tijko	espresso it's like you were reading over my shoulder lol
2024-03-28 03:19:39	akik	fairway: you can run "sudo passwd" after which you can login as root 
2024-03-28 03:20:07	fairway	virtualsid  i see, that's a good news: (at least for me)
2024-03-28 03:20:07	espresso	tijko: oh, you saw that too :) hah
2024-03-28 03:20:17	tijko	:D
2024-03-28 03:20:29	fairway	i just want to log in as root and do everything
2024-03-28 03:20:36	virtualsid	why?!
2024-03-28 03:20:37	fairway	and maybe create one other user for limited access
2024-03-28 03:20:51	fairway	virtualsid because i care about comfort over security
2024-03-28 03:21:05	Scimmia	fairway: Arch is a blank slate, you can set it up however you want, but running a GUI as root is insanity
2024-03-28 03:21:35	fairway	scimmia  even if i did  rm -rf /   by mistake,  not going to lose any sleep over it
2024-03-28 03:21:55	virtualsid	I'm really curious as to what you need root for, in general use, vs root occasionally via sudo?
2024-03-28 03:22:12	fairway	i just like doing everything as root
2024-03-28 03:22:24	fairway	without any hassle "asking for password"
2024-03-28 03:23:01	akik	fairway: better way is to use "sudo -i" and run things after that
2024-03-28 03:23:07	Scimmia	I'll tell you right now, all Arch support is volunteer, and doing something stupid like that, almost everyone will just ignore you
2024-03-28 03:23:10	fairway	akik no thank you
2024-03-28 03:23:43	fairway	scimmia  but it's my own comuter and i even said  not going to lose any sleep even if i did  rm -rf /  by mistake
2024-03-28 03:24:08	akik	fairway: you will be safe as that has been disabled :)
2024-03-28 03:24:11	virtualsid	okay. I thought maybe you had some really obviously good reason :)
2024-03-28 03:24:17	Scimmia	It is, and it's our own time and very few poeple are going to spend it helping you do something stuipd
2024-03-28 03:24:18	espresso	or sudo -s
2024-03-28 03:24:31	fairway	akik  disabled by who?  archlinux?
2024-03-28 03:24:55	akik	fairway: that rm syntax has been disabled
2024-03-28 03:25:17	akik	fairway: coreutils
2024-03-28 03:25:18	fairway	i see, then what if want to do  rm -rf /  on purpose,  what do i type
2024-03-28 03:25:20	Namarrgon	please don't post stupid commands into the channel
2024-03-28 03:27:52	tijko	Namarrgon its become a meme at this point
2024-03-28 03:28:23	fairway	which archilinux ISO do you people recommend me to download
2024-03-28 03:28:33	Namarrgon	there is only one iso
2024-03-28 03:30:24	fairway	Namarrgon is it this one?  archlinux-2024.03.01-x86_64
2024-03-28 03:30:27	fairway	Namarrgon is it this one?  archlinux-2024.03.01-x86_64.iso
2024-03-28 03:30:46	Namarrgon	that's the latest one, yes
2024-03-28 03:30:55	fairway	why is it only 1 GIG
2024-03-28 03:31:01	fairway	most ISO are huge
2024-03-28 03:31:28	Namarrgon	it has no packages on it, you need to be online
2024-03-28 03:31:41	fairway	there is no OFFLINE.iso?
2024-03-28 03:31:45	Namarrgon	no
2024-03-28 03:32:31	fairway	that's a big limitation
2024-03-28 03:33:19	Scimmia	You also realize that the ISO is just going to drop you at a command prompt, right?
2024-03-28 03:34:20	fairway	huh?
2024-03-28 03:34:29	Scimmia	there is no GUI on the ISO
2024-03-28 03:34:36	fairway	oh ok
2024-03-28 03:34:43	akik	fairway: you can run archinstall to install it
2024-03-28 03:35:01	farkenvoid	where's the fun in that
2024-03-28 03:35:19	Scimmia	and if you have no idea how it's setup by doing that, your installaion will fail eventually
2024-03-28 03:35:32	Scimmia	archinstall is not for newbies
2024-03-28 03:35:46	fairway	scimmia  and you say that proudly
2024-03-28 03:35:50	akik	well not is the manual install either
2024-03-28 03:36:03	akik	archinstall is much easier to manage
2024-03-28 03:36:40	Namarrgon	easier isn't necessarily better
2024-03-28 03:36:42	Scimmia	fairway: as I said before, Arch is a blank slate, YOU set it up how you want. If you can't or won't do that, avoid Arch. If you take shortcuts, things will break sooner or later
2024-03-28 03:37:17	fairway	let me try on  VM first
2024-03-28 03:40:42	fairway	you are right, it just dropped me off at   bash
2024-03-28 03:40:51	Namarrgon	*zsh
2024-03-28 03:41:00	fairway	this is not how OS installation  should be
2024-03-28 03:41:17	Scimmia	then avoid Arch
2024-03-28 03:41:22	fairway	then use what
2024-03-28 03:42:34	akik	fairway: you can run archinstall to install it
2024-03-28 03:42:50	fairway	akik what do you mean
2024-03-28 03:42:59	Scimmia	akik: have fun supporting them, then
2024-03-28 03:43:09	Scimmia	fairway: make sure to ping akik every time you have an issue
2024-03-28 03:43:24	fairway	i am already disappointed
2024-03-28 03:43:31	Namarrgon	after the install there will be even more cli hackery, archinstall will not fix that
2024-03-28 03:43:53	fairway	i don't want to sound rude but who thought this was a good idea
2024-03-28 03:43:54	Scimmia	fairway: if you're actually interested in Arch, read the installation guide in the wiki
2024-03-28 03:44:10	Namarrgon	i think this is a great idea
2024-03-28 03:44:11	Gnana	teraflops: ok. i just seen your msg
2024-03-28 03:44:14	Scimmia	Me too
2024-03-28 03:44:25	Namarrgon	it's just not for everyone or every use-case
2024-03-28 03:44:34	fairway	namarrgon no other distro  just drops you off at  zsh
2024-03-28 03:44:42	llua	a few do
2024-03-28 03:44:45	Scimmia	fairway: and every distro needs to be the same?
2024-03-28 03:44:59	fairway	scimmia i guess not
2024-03-28 03:45:19	akik	Scimmia: if archinstall fails for him, he'll create a bug report about it and everyone benefits
2024-03-28 03:45:22	fairway	namarrgon fair enough, then what do you recommend
2024-03-28 03:45:44	fairway	i just need 2 things
2024-03-28 03:45:58	Scimmia	akik: the point is that taking that shortcut means you have no idea how your system is set up and no idea how to maintain it
2024-03-28 03:46:01	fairway	i need to log in as root  and   input   japanese/korean language
2024-03-28 03:46:30	fairway	oh and maybe 3:  and   support  2K resolution GUI
2024-03-28 03:47:52	Namarrgon	reactivating root is simple enough and setting up an IME shouldn't overwhelm the support of any of the mainstream distros
2024-03-28 03:53:32	fairway	namarrgon  i spent 2 hours trying to do the  "IME" on OPENSUSE and  still doesn't work
2024-03-28 03:54:07	fairway	on linuxmint  i figured out how to do IME and took me about 10 minutes  
2024-03-28 03:54:56	fairway	but i don't like  that i cannot log in as root on linuxmint and  i cannot use 3 letter password on linuxmint
2024-03-28 03:58:01	espresso	Scimmia: PEBKAC -- I forgot to actually include my pacman-local.conf (which uses a different CacheDir) from /etc/pacman.conf :)
2024-03-28 03:59:30	Scimmia	espresso: ah! That makes more sense
2024-03-28 04:13:42	tijko	If I'm doing: $(cat /proc/$PID/status | cut -d ':' -f 1)
2024-03-28 04:14:24	tijko	I get the field then if [[ $field -eq PATTERN ]] matches
2024-03-28 04:14:36	tijko	I need -f 2 from cut
2024-03-28 04:15:11	tijko	It feels like "x y" problem where I probably am doing something wrong for what I want
2024-03-28 04:16:37	tijko	Probably 'awk'
2024-03-28 04:17:59	espresso	tijko: what actual field were you after?
2024-03-28 04:18:08	tirnanog	awk '$1 == "WantedField:" { print $2; exit }' "/proc/$PID/status"
2024-03-28 04:18:30	tirnanog	also, -eq performs arithmetic comparison so that didn't make much sense.
2024-03-28 04:19:54	tirnanog	a pure bash way would look something like: selected_val=; while read -r key val; do if [[ $key == "WantedField:" ]]; then selected_val=$val; break; done < "/proc/$PID/status"
2024-03-28 04:21:27	tirnanog	actually, that way is better because read will consume to the end of the line for "val".
2024-03-28 04:21:42	tirnanog	in awk, $2 isn't necessarily the entirety of the field so it would need further adjustment.
2024-03-28 04:22:16	tirnanog	given that, I'd just use bash. saves you a subshell and forking an external utility also.
2024-03-28 04:41:43	tirnanog	you have a ppid already and you want to print VmRSS if it matches. is that it?
2024-03-28 04:41:54	tijko	tirnanog yep
2024-03-28 04:42:13	tijko	I've done this in Python super quick but I like to push shell-scripting too
2024-03-28 04:42:43	tirnanog	it's easy.
2024-03-28 04:42:54	tirnanog	awk -v ppid="$your_ppid" '$1 == "PPid:" && $2 != ppid { exit } $1 == "VmRSS:" { print $2 }'
2024-03-28 04:44:03	tirnanog	better:
2024-03-28 04:44:06	tirnanog	awk -v ppid="$your_ppid" '$1 == "PPid:" && $2 != ppid { exit } $1 == "VmRSS:" { print $2; exit }'
2024-03-28 04:44:22	tirnanog	(since there's no point reading any further once VmRSS is matched.
2024-03-28 04:44:36	espresso	tirnanog: oh, I was not sure whether/how they would be 'read'ing 'ps'. anyway :)
2024-03-28 04:45:06	tirnanog	espresso: they're reading procfs. you can try cat /proc/$$/status to get an idea of what it looks like.
2024-03-28 04:45:19	espresso	yes, but I was talking about ps
2024-03-28 04:45:27	tijko	espresso yeah I was doing ppid=$(ps -o ppid= -p $PID) then if [[ $ppid == $saved_ppid ]]
2024-03-28 04:45:31	tirnanog	I mean, sure, you could use ps.
2024-03-28 04:46:12	tirnanog	still, there's nothing wrong with using the proc interface if there is no expectation that it be portable.
2024-03-28 04:46:52	tirnanog	anyway, the above works. I never make recommendations that I don't know will work when it comes to XCU.
2024-03-28 04:47:41	tijko	is there anyways we can format pastes in here?
2024-03-28 04:47:47	tijko	I don't want to spam the channel
2024-03-28 04:47:56	tijko	I've done it several times when copy-pasting
2024-03-28 04:48:14	tirnanog	use a decent pastebin service like paste.wooledge.org, termbin.com, 0x0.st, etc.
2024-03-28 04:48:14	tijko	I have a slightly different version i made but I thought I could share it
2024-03-28 04:48:36	espresso	tirnanog: ah, thanks, no longer confused, and making another note of that interface and to play with awk more
2024-03-28 04:49:20	tirnanog	espresso: yeah. it works because PPid always comes before VmRSS. so, it's acceptable to just bail out once the former key is encountered and the value is not found to match.
2024-03-28 04:49:48	tirnanog	otherwise, continue to look for VmRSS then print its value ($2 is actually OK, don't need the third field).
2024-03-28 04:50:50	tijko	https://0x0.st/XsIf.sh
2024-03-28 04:52:31	espresso	nice.  (and tijko, long ago I went to report a pr0n spam email and by accident pasted the whole page into IRC, so no worries)
2024-03-28 04:53:29	tijko	lmao
2024-03-28 04:57:02	Kitlith	Having an issue with nouveau where it gives no display output. I'm suspecting that it doesn't properly modeset, because dmesg never mentions nouveaufb and /proc/fb is empty. Any ideas? dmesg output: https://0x0.st/XsIp.txt
2024-03-28 04:57:03	tirnanog	the logic looks a little shaky. a child process is not guaranteed to have a numerically greater pid than that of a parent process. that is, one cannot sort -n and assume that the first process is an ancestor of all the others. granted, for systemd-based distros, it takes a very long time for pid wraparound to occur.
2024-03-28 04:57:48	japhir	wait you can echo without quotes o.O
2024-03-28 04:58:04	japhir	(was looking at the shell script by tijko)
2024-03-28 04:58:26	tirnanog	there is some low hanging fruit in there, yes. it's too boring for me to mention (pacman -S shellcheck for that stuff).
2024-03-28 04:59:54	fairway	can somebody recommend me a good distro that won't just drop off at  zsh
2024-03-28 05:00:13	tijko	tirnanog that was the idea but sure we can anticipate the wrap of the PID 
2024-03-28 05:00:19	mefistofeles	fairway: what do you mean by that?
2024-03-28 05:00:39	fairway	archlinux installation just drops off at zsh
2024-03-28 05:00:40	tijko	I have only but in a very basic idea of POC for them to use
2024-03-28 05:01:04	tijko	This is basically a Stackoverflow answer
2024-03-28 05:01:11	tijko	just doing it for fun now in Shell
2024-03-28 05:01:34	tijko	so more about the journey rather than destination here
2024-03-28 05:01:45	mefistofeles	fairway: you can easily change that if you want
2024-03-28 05:02:06	fairway	unless i can modify the ISO, i don't see how
2024-03-28 05:02:31	tijko	funny to I just f0rked shellcheck last night
2024-03-28 05:02:58	japhir	tirnanog: shellcheck doesn't report anything about quotes for echo for me. I was genuinely surprised it was possible
2024-03-28 05:03:06	tijko	like I was saying though I did a better version in Python.  I'll have to shellcheck this now
2024-03-28 05:03:16	tirnanog	japhir: it should report SC2086 in most cases.
2024-03-28 05:03:49	mefistofeles	fairway: you can just run a bash interpreter if you want, but why wouldn't you just run zsh for the install? It's only temporarily
2024-03-28 05:03:59	japhir	shellcheck on this returns nothing: https://paste.rs/gkWh8
2024-03-28 05:05:14	tirnanog	tijko: I haven't bothered to address most of the other issues but this uses awk sensibly, at least: https://termbin.com/0270
2024-03-28 05:05:35	tirnanog	oops, goofed up the indentation. anyway, you get the idea.
2024-03-28 05:06:48	tirnanog	tidied up slightly: https://termbin.com/ng0b
2024-03-28 05:07:05	tijko	tirnanog checking it
2024-03-28 05:08:20	espresso	fairway: if it is the matter of which shell, one can pacman -S <your_choice> ? If it is the matter of manual installation, there is archinstall, but installing manually one will learn things that would otherwise take months or years :)
2024-03-28 05:13:57	tirnanog	tijko: test this instead: https://termbin.com/nlax. it's much closer to what you wanted (and vastly more efficient). 
2024-03-28 05:14:34	tirnanog	forking for ps is just a waste of resources as the ppid comparison was being performed as status is read anyway.
2024-03-28 05:14:42	tirnanog	it makes a big difference.
2024-03-28 05:17:33	tirnanog	japhir: because you're not performing any parameter expansion and the words you're conveying are not prone to word splitting and/or pathname expansion, given the default value of IFS.
2024-03-28 05:17:42	tirnanog	japhir: try something like echo $unquoted, and you'll definitely get a warning.
2024-03-28 05:21:04	tirnanog	basically, if you specify (static) words to echo, shellcheck doesn't moan about it. there's no way for it to really discern whether it's potentially 'wrong'. unquoted expansions, on the other hand, are seldom appropriate.
2024-03-28 05:23:42	tirnanog	fairway: you could just issue "exec bash -il" to replace the current instance of zsh.
2024-03-28 05:33:31	japhir	tirnanog: it's still not returning anything: https://paste.rs/6xD5m%
2024-03-28 05:33:35	japhir	(oh without the %)
2024-03-28 05:35:57	tirnanog	japhir: it's being clever. change the value of bannan to something that would actually have a potential side effect, such as "he uj" or "he*uj".
2024-03-28 05:36:41	japhir	ah cool, thank you! 
2024-03-28 05:37:10	Gnana	How to fix this https://pastebin.com/stTJ6ZGc ??
2024-03-28 05:37:11	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XsIw.txt
2024-03-28 05:37:11	phrik	Title: /opt/spotify/spotify: /usr/lib/libcurl-gnutls.so.4: no version information avail - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-03-28 05:37:16	japhir	interestingly it suggests to change it to echo hoi "$banaan" and not echo "hoi $banaan" like I would have thought
2024-03-28 05:38:08	tirnanog	in this case, both are equivalent. echo joins its arguments by a space. I don't think it really cares that it's echo, per se.
2024-03-28 05:38:52	tirnanog	then again, the author is clever and we've already seen that this cleverness can extent into his tools in some interesting ways.
2024-03-28 05:39:15	tirnanog	regardless of how you fix it, the text of SC2086 explains the issue.
2024-03-28 05:46:41	japhir	ok thanks for elaborating, I'll read the page
2024-03-28 05:56:28	espresso	Gnana: It seems the glibc dynamic linker cannot get the version definition from libcurl-gnutls.so.4 .. Perhaps check that it exists and is not a dangling symlink?  A flatpak build once skipped it.. https://github.com/flathub/com.spotify.Client/issues/229
2024-03-28 06:03:51	Gnana	what flatpak is its like pacman?
2024-03-28 06:07:06	virtualsid	Gnana: not  at all - it's closer to docker or virtualisation than that. It encapsulates all the stuff an application needs, like docker, is my understanding.
2024-03-28 06:07:26	virtualsid	pacman is more like apt, or umm, whatever the new thing for yum is.
2024-03-28 06:07:44	rcf	dnf
2024-03-28 06:08:46	espresso	Gnana: I guess it is not flatpak then, which is a tool for packaging an app with dependencies to run [theoretically] in isolation. https://man.archlinux.org/man/flatpak.1  
2024-03-28 06:08:48	phrik	Title: flatpak(1) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2024-03-28 06:10:58	Gnana	i see https://www.reddit.com/r/linux4noobs/comments/14v4ppe/eli5_what_are_flatpaks_and_why_do_they_require_so/
2024-03-28 06:17:44	espresso	Gnana: https://forum.garudalinux.org/t/spotify-has-stopped-working-after-updating-earlier-this-week/28017 mentions the same app library and arch
2024-03-28 06:17:46	phrik	Title: Spotify has stopped working after updating earlier this week - Unsupported Software (AUR & Other) - Garuda Linux Forum (at forum.garudalinux.org)
2024-03-28 06:32:46	ZLima12	When a package is demoted from the official repos to the AUR, is this reported anywhere?
2024-03-28 06:33:09	mefistofeles	ZLima12: I believe in the mailing lists somewhere
2024-03-28 06:33:16	mefistofeles	but not sure
2024-03-28 06:36:31	ZLima12	mefistofeles: Thanks, found it: https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/arch-dev-public@lists.archlinux.org/thread/MM7OMG6GPT3PU5LGZ2SXKTOWV4RU3M4V/
2024-03-28 06:36:34	phrik	Title: Spring cleanup '24 - Arch-dev-public - lists.archlinux.org (at lists.archlinux.org)
2024-03-28 06:46:41	badsektor	whats the difference between mkinitcpio -P and mkinitcpio --config /etc/mkinitcpio.conf?
2024-03-28 07:21:58	Gnana	aur spotify-snapstore is working but i see tray icon?
2024-03-28 08:06:21	espresso	Gnana: did you expect to see no tray icon? I'm not familiar with it
2024-03-28 08:09:07	Gnana	"no tray icon"
2024-03-28 08:09:11	Gnana	:(
2024-03-28 08:12:21	espresso	Gnana: ah yes. maybe journalctl or running from console or a logfile could give a clue, but it seems like something that might occur more often with flatpaks in general?
2024-03-28 08:16:52	Gnana	i installed the https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/spotify-snapstore
2024-03-28 08:16:54	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - spotify-snapstore (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-03-28 08:18:08	espresso	probably it *should* work..
2024-03-28 08:20:53	tsdh	How can I make chromium start as native wayland client by default?  "chromium --ozone-platform=wayland" works but setting "export ELECTRON_OZONE_PLATFORM_HINT=wayland" or a ~/.config/electron25-flags.conf with "--ozone-platform=wayland" doesn't.
2024-03-28 08:21:27	espresso	Gnana: if the package has a repo (like github), there may be such an 'issue' posted. or comments in AUR etc.
2024-03-28 08:22:08	rcf	tsdh: chrome://flags/#ozone-platform-hint
2024-03-28 08:23:53	tsdh	rcf: Ah, that works.  Thanks a lot!
2024-03-28 10:29:55	ungeskriptet	Hi all, I recently updated to GNOME 46 and wanted to try the new remote login/headless RDP feature. After logging in all apps that I launch are transparent. Is this issue known?
2024-03-28 10:30:12	ungeskriptet	Looks like this: https://b.catgirlsare.sexy/CAhzcTtVDlK9.jpg
2024-03-28 10:31:06	mpan	ungeskriptet: not using GNOME, but did you try running on a fresh user?
2024-03-28 10:31:20	mpan	This would eliminate your current config from the equation.
2024-03-28 10:31:42	ungeskriptet	mpan: Hold on let me try
2024-03-28 10:34:14	ungeskriptet	Still transparent :/
2024-03-28 10:36:56	mpan	Then you’ll have to wait for somebody using GNOME. To make it easier for them to help: is this X or Wayland? What video card?
2024-03-28 10:43:09	ungeskriptet	I'm using X with a GT 1030 video card
2024-03-28 10:43:50	Tom^	yeah same as earlier "wyre" i think it was
2024-03-28 10:45:27	Tom^	gnome uses vulkan renderer now, nvidia sucks and nvidia on a 1030 probably means 470xx or older? nvidia probably never will fix that so set GSK_RENDERER=gl
2024-03-28 10:45:34	MrElendig	java apps or all windows?
2024-03-28 10:46:39	MrElendig	and do try with wayland
2024-03-28 11:17:28	fairway	i was told #archlinux is most popular #channel for linux distro,  why do you think that is
2024-03-28 11:18:37	MrElendig	partly because the main real time communication channel/community for arch have always been irc
2024-03-28 11:18:38	TuxJobs	Is it possible to reboot Linux in such a manner that it's skipping the initial prompt for a decryption password? Like having a "state save" right after you've entered that password? Since it's just wasting time when you need to reboot.
2024-03-28 11:18:55	MrElendig	and we have no official discord
2024-03-28 11:19:23	MrElendig	TuxJobs: store the credentials in (f)tpm
2024-03-28 11:19:45	MrElendig	or some other hardware token
2024-03-28 11:20:16	TuxJobs	MrElendig: I have no idea how to do that. Is there no command to get a "soft reboot" if you will?
2024-03-28 11:20:30	TuxJobs	Which only begins from where Linux took over initially.
2024-03-28 11:21:02	TuxJobs	Would save me a ton of time not having to keep entering that decryption phrase every boot.
2024-03-28 11:21:10	TuxJobs	(Reboot, that is)
2024-03-28 11:21:33	TuxJobs	Obviously not talking about starting it up from being powered off.
2024-03-28 11:22:22	MrElendig	buy a couple of yubikeys, read about using them for luks
2024-03-28 11:22:32	MrElendig	assuming you are using luks of course
2024-03-28 11:23:05	MrElendig	if you are unlocking using grub instead of letting the kernel do it, that does limit your choices somewhat
2024-03-28 11:38:57	gromit	TuxJobs: there is something in systemd that does a soft-reboot now, but I have no clue of it besides once hearing that it exists
2024-03-28 11:55:48	phonemic	gromit: Thanks for mentioning soft-reboot. That seems really useful.
2024-03-28 12:19:29	cake37	oh I didn't know I could use yubikeys with luks :o
2024-03-28 12:36:05	MrElendig	you can kexec but its horribly unreliable
2024-03-28 12:38:07	susi	https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd-soft-reboot.service.html
2024-03-28 12:38:08	phrik	Title: systemd-soft-reboot.service (at www.freedesktop.org)
2024-03-28 13:35:42	reverseengineer	has someone here used paru/yay/AUR to install brave?
2024-03-28 13:36:27	⚡ 	grawity looks at the number of votes
2024-03-28 13:36:39	grawity	yeah, at least ~150 people must have done that I suppose
2024-03-28 13:37:04	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-28 13:37:06	⚡ 	reverseengineer looks at question in IRC channel, not AUR
2024-03-28 13:37:21	gromit	reverseengineer: please state which issue you have instead
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2024-03-28 13:37:36	gromit	We do not want to reverse engineer what your problem is ;) 
2024-03-28 13:37:41	reverseengineer	/usr/bin/brave is owned by root:root on installation. 
2024-03-28 13:37:53	reverseengineer	That doesn't seem right. 
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2024-03-28 13:39:21	chovy	how do i tell which kernel i'm running?
2024-03-28 13:39:31	reverseengineer	chovy: uname -a 
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2024-03-28 13:39:58	Namarrgon	who owns all the other executables in /usr/bin/?
2024-03-28 13:40:19	reverseengineer	Namarrgon:  root
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2024-03-28 13:40:32	Namarrgon	who do you think should own?
2024-03-28 13:40:37	Namarrgon	*own them
2024-03-28 13:40:39	reverseengineer	Namarrgon: 1000:1000
2024-03-28 13:40:53	reverseengineer	at least Brave
2024-03-28 13:41:05	gromit	reverseengineer: why should brave be owned by the user? :o
2024-03-28 13:41:16	Namarrgon	why are all the other executables not owned by 1000:1000?
2024-03-28 13:41:17	reverseengineer	gromit: I don't think it's wise for a browser to be owned by root
2024-03-28 13:41:22	reverseengineer	wouldn't that be a security issue?
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2024-03-28 13:42:17	cake37	Owned by root doesn't mean runs as root
2024-03-28 13:42:17	reverseengineer	okay maybe I confused ownership with runtime user. 
2024-03-28 13:42:31	gromit	^ yes
2024-03-28 13:42:38	reverseengineer	I see, thank you 
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2024-03-28 13:44:09	chovy	reverseengineer: thanks
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2024-03-28 13:59:03	asd_	i have been using pipewire for a year and it has been working fine, over the past few days i ran `sudo pacman -Syu` and now pavucontrl and alsamixer reports that there are no output/input devices... any suggestions on how to debug this issue?
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2024-03-28 14:00:56	Namarrgon	some reported a similar issue with the 6.8.2 kernel earlier
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2024-03-28 14:01:50	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-03-28 14:01:50	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-03-28 14:02:40	cake37	Yep that's the issue I had yesterday
2024-03-28 14:02:55	cake37	Downgraded to 6.8.1 for now and all is fine again
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2024-03-28 14:04:08	asd_	does it suffice to do sudo pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/linux-6.8.1 ?
2024-03-28 14:04:16	asd_	(dont have the full file name but something along those lines)
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2024-03-28 14:04:38	cake37	Ye, but downgrtade linux headers too
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2024-03-28 14:08:19	TuxJobs	MrElendig: "buy a couple of yubikeys" <-- What on Earth are you on about? I'm talking about the reboot command in Linux.
2024-03-28 14:08:43	asd	i downgraded to 6.8.1 pipewire still does not find output devices
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2024-03-28 14:09:46	cake37	Have you messed with any configuration while troubleshooting?
2024-03-28 14:09:59	asd	nope 
2024-03-28 14:10:05	cake37	I just downgraded linux and linux headers, rebooted, and everything was fine again
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2024-03-28 14:13:03	cake37	(I also added [kde-unstable] and upgraded a few packages but it didn't fix the issue. I thought it did at first but it didn't.)
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2024-03-28 14:13:39	cake37	Check your journal and grep for audio?
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2024-03-28 14:16:59	asd	sudo dmesg | grep audio gave nothing unsual
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2024-03-28 14:20:33	cake37	Ahh when I did journalctl -b -e | grep audio I saw a few errors related to pulseaudio
2024-03-28 14:20:50	cake37	So maybe you're having a different issue
2024-03-28 14:21:04	Namarrgon	did you reboot after downgrading the kernel?
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2024-03-28 14:24:35	asd	yes i did reboot
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2024-03-28 14:24:50	asd	even brought along the linux-firmware stuff
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2024-03-28 14:26:14	Namarrgon	which kernel did you upgrade from?
2024-03-28 14:26:20	virtualsid	heh, my audio seems to be broken, but I was on 6.8.1. I just realised I hadn't rebooted since I updated to 6.8.2. Audio still broken :P
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2024-03-28 14:30:23	cake37	wohoo everybody's audio is broken
2024-03-28 14:30:43	virtualsid	Mine has been broken for at least 2 days. I just  didn't care - this conversation reminded me of it :)
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2024-03-28 14:31:50	TuxJobs	fluidsynth broke my audio yesterday on Debian. Just a few minutes of total silence in the headphones was driving me crazy.
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2024-03-28 14:33:32	virtualsid	https://bpa.st/VSMQ - anything out of the ordinary there? dmesg audio stuffs, I kept some nvidia stuff in in case it was useful. I'm on a laptop, and I use the laptop speakers for audio.
2024-03-28 14:33:33	phrik	Title: View paste VSMQ (at bpa.st)
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2024-03-28 14:33:50	virtualsid	(but I'm plugged into a monitor with thelaptop case closed at the moment - that hasn't stopped it playing sound before)
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2024-03-28 14:34:07	asd	Namarrgon: it broke on either 6.7.8->6.8.1 or 6.8.1->6.8.2 i didnt run any audio in the days inbetween, but im not saying it related to the linux update, rather that it broke between one of these 2 `sudo pacman -Syu` i ran the past week
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2024-03-28 14:34:19	virtualsid	hmm
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2024-03-28 14:35:24	asd	but no other configuration or changes were applied to the laptop. so it is probably fair to say one of the 2 `pacman -Syu` contains the culprit
2024-03-28 14:35:47	Namarrgon	you can try to downgrade back to 6.7.9 and 6.8.1 until you find the breaking version
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2024-03-28 14:36:41	Namarrgon	if it broke in a minor version the offending commit should be easy to spot in the changelogs
2024-03-28 14:36:53	virtualsid	I had a pipwire upgrade from 1.0.4-1 to 1.0.4-2. Wonder what that change was... checking now
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2024-03-28 14:37:59	virtualsid	I should probably test with something other than firefox actually.
2024-03-28 14:38:12	cake37	For me, I know the exact -Syu run that broke things for me and I know the exact packages that were upgraded in that run. Here: https://bpa.st/B5EQ
2024-03-28 14:38:13	phrik	Title: View paste B5EQ (at bpa.st)
2024-03-28 14:39:11	gromit	cake37: well did you already try to downgrad the linux package? 
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2024-03-28 14:39:20	virtualsid	cake
2024-03-28 14:39:23	asd	Namarrgon: i did go back to 6.7.9 it still didnt help
2024-03-28 14:39:25	gromit	If that fixes things we have our culprit :p
2024-03-28 14:39:26	virtualsid	cake's is working now - ours isn't :)
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2024-03-28 14:40:12	cake37	Yep, downgrading linux and linux headers fixed the issue for me, but it's not working for them :(
2024-03-28 14:40:31	gromit	Are you two sitting somewhere together? :D
2024-03-28 14:40:33	virtualsid	I'm not downgrading - I'm not that bothered about sound right now. I'm just curious at this point
2024-03-28 14:40:49	virtualsid	gromit: haha, no, sorry: 00:02:49 <cake37> Downgraded to 6.8.1 for now and all is fine again
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2024-03-28 14:41:11	gromit	Ah missed the earlier message
2024-03-28 14:41:38	virtualsid	np. I did just notice an error when I did journalctl -b -e | grep audio (thanks cake37) - Mar 29 00:16:44 loco dbus-broker-launch[572]: Invalid user-name in /usr/share/dbus-1/system.d/pulseaudio-system.conf +27: user="pulse"
2024-03-28 14:41:39	cake37	virtualsid: honestly kinda crazy that you've had no sound for two days and you don't care :D
2024-03-28 14:41:44	virtualsid	wonder if that's important
2024-03-28 14:42:04	virtualsid	cake37: hahaha. They were working days, so the laptop isn't used all that much for any sort of entertainment.
2024-03-28 14:42:14	virtualsid	I use my phone for music
2024-03-28 14:43:19	cake37	virtualsid: no meetings in two working days? lucky :p
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2024-03-28 14:44:24	virtualsid	oh, this is my personal laptop...
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2024-03-28 14:44:49	virtualsid	I still use it during the day - on the same desk. I just don't use youtube and stuff like that all that much on it generally.
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2024-03-28 14:44:56	cake37	Ahhh okay fair :)
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2024-03-28 14:45:20	virtualsid	but, I do have some training videos I want to get through (pytest/mocking - my head still hasn't got around that), so it would actually be good to get it sorted :)
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2024-03-28 14:46:23	cake37	virtualsid: interesting error you're getting. I personally don't even have the file /usr/share/dbus-1/system.d/pulseaudio-system.conf
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2024-03-28 14:47:46	cake37	I also do not have a pulse user
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2024-03-28 14:49:28	asd	so i `mv ~/.config/wireplumber ~/.config/wireplumber-disabled && systemctl --user restart wireplumber` and now the audio devices are found again
2024-03-28 14:49:39	virtualsid	fwiw, that fileis an xml file, and looks to be default
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2024-03-28 14:49:43	virtualsid	asd: interestingQ
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2024-03-28 14:50:31	virtualsid	I only have libpipwire and pipewire installed, no pipewire-alsa or pipewire-pulse, or whatever wireplumber  is...
2024-03-28 14:52:01	asd	but i havent touched the wireplumber config since 2023, and it is basically a copy of the /usr/share supplied config but removed the line where wireplumber decides to reserve the webcam
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2024-03-28 14:52:39	cake37	Could it have been the service restart that helped then and not the config file?
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2024-03-28 14:53:46	asd	nah i tried reversing the mv and restart and the audio devices just dissapear
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2024-03-28 15:10:48	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-28 15:10:48	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1436 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1435 regular)
2024-03-28 14:53:59	asd	for now ill keep the config disabled until wireplumber decides to mutex the webcam
2024-03-28 14:54:07	virtualsid	hey - what's a command line tool that can test speakers one by one? My search-fu sucks, and I can't find what I used previously...
2024-03-28 14:56:14	virtualsid	oh, speaker-test :-D 
2024-03-28 15:00:14	virtualsid	ooh, looks like I have audio output on hdmi if I force it that way. So, clearly not a full on sound failure. Time to sleep was 2 hours ago. So I guess I should revisit tomorrow.
2024-03-28 15:10:48	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-03-28 16:00:27	espresso	badsektor: As I guess you may have already found, mkinitcpio -P builds all existing presets (which can exist in /etc/mkinitcpio.d/ ) while --config lets you easily choose a different configuration.  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Mkinitcpio#Manual_generation
2024-03-28 16:00:28	phrik	Title: mkinitcpio - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-28 16:32:32	susi	and -p lets you specify the name of the preset
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2024-03-28 16:39:01	vic-thor	https://archlinux.org/pacman/libalpm.3.html is broken, anyone know where i can get documentation about it, other than the source code?
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2024-03-28 16:42:36	espresso	vic-thor: https://man.archlinux.org/man/libalpm.3 ? 
2024-03-28 16:42:39	phrik	Title: libalpm(3) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-28 16:43:12	espresso	vic-thor: and https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman (see issues?)
2024-03-28 16:43:13	phrik	Title: Pacman / Pacman · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-28 16:45:23	vic-thor	espresso: what's on issues?
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2024-03-28 16:45:59	espresso	vic-thor: reported issues with pacman or part of it (like libalpm)
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2024-03-28 16:51:52	teraflops	vic-thor: what is broken specifically? 
2024-03-28 16:52:11	vic-thor	the link :P
2024-03-28 16:52:31	teraflops	;)
2024-03-28 16:53:16	vic-thor	in here: https://archlinux.org/pacman/
2024-03-28 16:53:17	phrik	Title: Pacman Home Page (at archlinux.org)
2024-03-28 16:53:43	vic-thor	it links to https://archlinux.org/pacman/libalpm.3.html which is a 404
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2024-03-28 16:56:35	teraflops	`man libalpm` does not work for you?
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2024-03-28 16:57:05	vic-thor	i dont have a working arch atm
2024-03-28 16:57:46	espresso	it should probably link to https://man.archlinux.org/man/libalpm.3 .. maybe they will see this and make note :)
2024-03-28 16:57:48	phrik	Title: libalpm(3) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-28 17:05:07	espresso	it is said that if you say 'bloody pacman' three times into a mirror in the dark, the maintainer will appear ;)
2024-03-28 17:05:41	vic-thor	and what happens if you say "bloody libalpm" x3?
2024-03-28 17:05:44	vic-thor	asking for a friend
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2024-03-28 17:21:46	ddshore	!psate
2024-03-28 17:21:46	phrik	ddshore: The answer is 42.
2024-03-28 17:21:50	ddshore	!paste
2024-03-28 17:21:50	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-03-28 17:21:58	ddshore	!rs
2024-03-28 17:21:58	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
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2024-03-28 17:39:32	pinch	My system crashed during a upgrade. Now the caps lock led flashes on boot and nothing more happens. Mounting things from the USB system and chrooting gives “libblkid.so.1 file too short” — and indeed it’s 16 bytes. Trying to reinstall everything with pacman gets me a bunch of “file exists in file system” errors. Am I okay to pass --overwrite at this stage? Root and data are separate
2024-03-28 17:39:32	pinch	partitions
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2024-03-28 17:40:06	mpan	pinch: flashing LEDs indicate a kernel panic. Yes, overwrite things.
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2024-03-28 17:42:02	mpan	pinch: see <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Pacman_crashes_during_an_upgrade> for details.
2024-03-28 17:42:03	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-28 17:45:22	ungeskriptet	mpan: Tom^: After force-enabling Wayland on my nvidia card, adding nvidia modules to initramfs and enabling modeset in cmdline I no longer have issues with RDP
2024-03-28 17:45:29	ungeskriptet	Works flawlessly now ^.^
2024-03-28 17:45:45	mpan	:)
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2024-03-28 17:59:43	sahil_	Hi, I used dwm and whenever I compiler libreoffice, it jams the system for 30 seconds or so. And the cursor lags as well quite often. Will moving to wayland fix these issues ?
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2024-03-28 18:01:36	Namarrgon	how do you build libreoffice?
2024-03-28 18:02:20	badsektor	it probably takes 2 days 
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2024-03-28 18:03:01	sahil_	badsektor: 2 hours
2024-03-28 18:03:14	sahil_	Namarrgon: clone the repo and stuff (I am a contributor)
2024-03-28 18:03:27	Namarrgon	limit the amount of build processes running in parallel to not starve everything else
2024-03-28 18:03:38	Namarrgon	or stuff it into a cgroup
2024-03-28 18:03:55	ZLima12	Also consider increasing the nice value of the build processes
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2024-03-28 18:04:13	ZLima12	But to really make a difference you'll probably need to limit it with a cgroup
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2024-03-28 18:04:59	sahil_	Ok so cgroup is like this is the max resources you are allowed.
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2024-03-28 18:05:26	espresso	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Cgroups
2024-03-28 18:05:27	phrik	Title: cgroups - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-28 18:07:02	ZLima12	sahil_: Try `nice -n 19 ...` where ... is whatever command you were using to build. It might help a bit
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2024-03-28 18:07:58	ZLima12	If you want to make more of a difference then look at cgroups
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2024-03-28 18:09:14	Ingar	is krdc RDP support broken?
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2024-03-28 18:09:32	sahil_	ZLima12: using `nice -n 19 make`, brave opened in less time. Thanks, will check cgroups as well.
2024-03-28 18:09:40	Ingar	it seems I can no longer connect to RDP servers
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2024-03-28 18:12:39	ZLima12	sahil_: just to clarify what it does, a higher nice value means the process will be less prioritized. Your cpu will still go to 100%, but the system will spend more of its time running things like Brave instead of building libreoffice. If you want to prevent the cpu from going to 100%, then you have to use cgroups.
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2024-03-28 18:13:12	sahil_	Makes sense
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2024-03-28 18:13:47	sahil_	Then processes in a cgroup will be limited to cpu use upto some limit, leaving the rest to the system (I hope)
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2024-03-28 18:15:26	Ingar	compiling is mostly IO bound these days
2024-03-28 18:15:33	mpan	Also `ionice -c3` to set I/O scheduler to idle.
2024-03-28 18:15:55	mpan	But if it’s an I/O issue, you will still experience some hickups, even with idle. it will just not completely block the system.
2024-03-28 18:16:23	Ingar	or you're low on mem and it's swapping to death
2024-03-28 18:16:58	sahil_	It's not memory. I have 20G and it never goes above 14G of usage
2024-03-28 18:17:10	mpan	Compilation may also fill up the file cache, which will affect other processes.
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2024-03-28 18:18:23	sahil_	That might be something. no a 500G ssd, I have libreoffice sourcecode, and nothing much (80 gbs of virtual machines), and I have 160 gb left. So Yes have to look into that
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2024-03-28 18:23:57	badsektor	my user password didnt work earlier, i couldnt use sudo and then i logged out to see if it would work in sddm, and it didnt work there either, and then i rebooted and now it works, what gives?
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2024-03-28 18:27:29	Namarrgon	badsektor: man faillock
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2024-03-28 18:27:58	badsektor	thanks
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2024-03-28 18:29:06	pinch	mpan: thanks, I’d missed that section. Had to reinstall pretty much every package, but my system has been restored!  :D
2024-03-28 18:29:24	badsektor	Namarrgon: the log file is zero size
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2024-03-28 18:31:29	hseg	Hi. Been playing around with pkgctl since it was recommended for building in a clean chroot. I see it's supposed to be able to build multiple packages concurrently, but I couldn't make it work -- invoking it twice with different values for -w still makes the second one to run wait with "Locking chroot copy"
2024-03-28 18:31:58	hseg	.... oh, nm, it's just incompatible with -c
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2024-03-28 18:33:07	neurognostic	badsektor: the default tally directory is in a tmpfs, you said you rebooted
2024-03-28 18:33:24	badsektor	damn
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2024-03-28 18:42:51	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-28 18:42:52	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1436 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1435 regular)
2024-03-28 18:33:45	badsektor	what could explain why suddenly my password doesnt work but works after a reboot?
2024-03-28 18:34:48	neurognostic	badsektor: its probably faillock
2024-03-28 18:36:43	badsektor	3 failed attempts does it?
2024-03-28 18:36:57	mpan	By default, yes.
2024-03-28 18:37:27	mpan	deny = 999
2024-03-28 18:37:31	mpan	unlock_time = 1
2024-03-28 18:37:38	mpan	And you no longer need to worry about faillock.
2024-03-28 18:38:00	badsektor	thanks
2024-03-28 18:38:18	matjam	ok, can someone tell me WTF is setting the background in lightdm? I install xfce4 and now I have a mouse bg on startup and I don't wanna
2024-03-28 18:38:45	matjam	using lightdm-gtk-greeter, and yeah background is set to "#000000"
2024-03-28 18:38:48	mpan	The alternative is to remove faillock from PAM config, but this is a lot more work and you edit more config files you likely wish to stay with their default content unless needed otherwise.
2024-03-28 18:39:07	badsektor	thank you
2024-03-28 18:40:46	adherry	hmm maybe one of you knows what i could check
2024-03-28 18:40:55	adherry	when i start the bluetooth service is automatically started
2024-03-28 18:41:07	adherry	yet in kde i have to manually enable it again to be able to connect bt
2024-03-28 18:41:20	adherry	bluetooth.service is loaded on boot and i donno where to check
2024-03-28 18:41:39	adherry	also set it in kde to autolaunch bluetooth
2024-03-28 18:42:52	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-28 18:43:05	adherry	and when i look at the dmesg logs it feels like it only initializes the bt module when  turn it on
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2024-03-28 18:46:21	innegatives	When I do "echo $0" I get "/usr/bin/bash" but when I do "su root" then "echo $0" I get this cryptic thing: "�Y'�.so.2". Anyone knows what that is?
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2024-03-28 18:46:57	matjam	demons
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2024-03-28 18:47:50	matjam	I'm guessing its a bug
2024-03-28 18:47:54	matjam	I don't get that with zsh.
2024-03-28 18:48:11	matjam	with zsh I get "-zsh"
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2024-03-28 19:04:41	pulec	nvidia 3xxx 4xxx users, does CUDA stuff run nice?
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2024-03-28 19:06:10	matjam	I don't do any cuda, but I have a 4090
2024-03-28 19:06:20	matjam	is there a test for "run nice"
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2024-03-28 19:08:21	lmat	I just put together a computer. my ~/.xinitrc is https://paste.rs/IPvSA. When I run startx, I see https://paste.rs/rOAbe. ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log is https://paste.rs/zxn6u. dmesg says https://paste.rs/veM9c. I see several errors, but I'm not sure which one I should be honing in on. "No such file or directory /dev/dri/card0" seems ominous,
2024-03-28 19:08:21	lmat	but maybe "Given depth (24) is not supported by the Intel driver and this chipset." is more pertinent?
2024-03-28 19:08:43	lmat	Oh yeah, I have a /dev/dri/card1 (but not card0).
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2024-03-28 19:09:05	matjam	lmat: what is the GPU?
2024-03-28 19:09:23	Namarrgon	that xinitrc is not complete, you did not read the xinit page on the wiki
2024-03-28 19:09:24	lmat	Intel ARC A750
2024-03-28 19:09:34	lmat	Namarrgon: Thank you for the pointer!
2024-03-28 19:09:48	Namarrgon	that's not your main problem though
2024-03-28 19:09:50	Scimmia	why would you use the intel DDX for that?
2024-03-28 19:10:59	Namarrgon	the arc drivers are currently a bit wobbly, to state it diplomatically
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2024-03-28 19:11:14	matjam	For hardware video acceleration, you must install intel-media-driver and have a kernel with CONFIG_DRM_I915_CAPTURE_ERROR disabled.
2024-03-28 19:11:41	lmat	This graphics card was working this morning in another computer running arch linux, but of course, the motherboard and processor are quite different.
2024-03-28 19:11:50	Namarrgon	get rid of the ddx driver
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2024-03-28 19:12:49	lmat	Namarrgon: Sure thing! how? I don't see it in any of my logs.
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2024-03-28 19:13:24	Scimmia	lmat: have you read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Intel_graphics?
2024-03-28 19:13:25	phrik	Title: Intel graphics - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-28 19:14:02	Namarrgon	pacman -Q xf86-video-intel
2024-03-28 19:14:10	matjam	that article does not seem to say much about ARC tho.
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2024-03-28 19:14:23	Namarrgon	[  3968.980] (II) LoadModule: "intel"
2024-03-28 19:14:37	lmat	Scimmia: Well, not the whole thing, but that's what instructed me to install mesa. I decided against installing anything else in the first few sections because it seems like they were all for legacy devices.
2024-03-28 19:15:01	lmat	Apparently I was wrong. pacman -rsu xf68-video-intel appears to be just what the doctor ordered
2024-03-28 19:15:06	matjam	its unfortunate that they called the card "ARC". Makes it heard to search lol
2024-03-28 19:15:33	lmat	matjam: certainly! search for a750 is better, but more specific. "intel arc" maybe is okay?
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2024-03-28 19:16:59	MrColdboot	I'm new to submitting Merge Requests on Arch GitLab. Should I be pulling in changes from `master`? Also, should I be using `git rebase` and `git push --force` to tidy up my commits for the MR?
2024-03-28 19:17:01	matjam	https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/15kiemw/comment/jv6ngyu/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
2024-03-28 19:17:20	matjam	^ that comment has specific instructions
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2024-03-28 19:19:16	lmat	MrColdboot: I'm not involved and I don't know the answer (though I know my preferences!), but I wanted to take a moment and doff my hat for you for caring :-D Excellent questions!
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2024-03-28 19:19:38	_xRichard__	no sound on laptop, asus vivobook, pipewire installed, dummy output is all i see in pavucontrol
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2024-03-28 19:19:46	lmat	I've done sooo much version control with people who just don't care :'(
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2024-03-28 19:21:02	lmat	_xRichard__: Do you see any telling errors in journalctl -b 0? Does lspci have your audio device? aplay -l; ?
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2024-03-28 19:24:10	_xRichard__	lmat: No, no and aplay : device_list:279 no soundcards found...
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2024-03-28 19:25:04	_xRichard__	i just installed the packages, so main packages (needed ones) might be missing
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2024-03-28 19:26:41	teraflops	_xRichard__: new installation? maybe you are missing sof-firmware
2024-03-28 19:27:21	_xRichard__	traflops: not new but now i realize i dont have sound :) sof-firmware; yeap installed. still :(
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2024-03-28 19:31:26	_xRichard__	i can see a sound playing on firefox by pavucontrol but in output devices, its dummy output
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2024-03-28 19:34:27	lmat	ALSA isn't seeing your sound card. It seems like you require a driver?
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2024-03-28 19:38:44	_xRichard__	lmat: how can i install it ?
2024-03-28 19:39:13	teraflops	_xRichard__: check logs
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2024-03-28 19:39:56	MrElendig	uname -r; pacman -Q linux
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2024-03-28 19:41:47	lmat	_xRichard__: You have to figure out what to install first; I don't know. Post the output of MrElendig's suggestion.
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2024-03-28 19:44:40	_xRichard__	6.8.2-arch1-1
2024-03-28 19:44:57	MrElendig	that is only half of the output
2024-03-28 19:45:28	_xRichard__	6.8.2-arch1-1 \n linux 6.8.2.arch1-1 (in new line)
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2024-03-28 19:49:53	phonemic	I have a password and, (new) FIDO2 key enrolled for LUKS2. 'encrypt` HOOK is in mkinicpio.conf. I can still use my password, but not the FIDO2 key. Is there another HOOK needed?
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2024-03-28 19:50:52	phonemic	I followed this to add the FIDO2 key https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-cryptenroll#FIDO2_tokens
2024-03-28 19:50:54	phrik	Title: systemd-cryptenroll - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-28 19:58:13	phonemic	I think I answered my own question. Looks like `sd-encrypt` is required to use FIDO2 keys. That correct?
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2024-03-28 20:01:09	Namarrgon	phonemic: you have to switch to the systemd-based initramfs
2024-03-28 20:01:42	Namarrgon	there might be custom hooks out there that support what you want to do but the stock 'encrypt' hook does not
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2024-03-28 20:01:53	phonemic	Namarrgon: Like this? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/System_configuration#Examples
2024-03-28 20:01:54	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/System configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-28 20:02:11	Namarrgon	yes
2024-03-28 20:02:32	Namarrgon	also https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/System_configuration#Trusted_Platform_Module_and_FIDO2_keys
2024-03-28 20:02:33	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/System configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-28 20:03:46	phonemic	Thanks. If I have a password and FIDO2 key enrolled, how are they preferenced?
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2024-03-28 20:05:48	Namarrgon	whatever out "type in" first will be used
2024-03-28 20:05:53	Namarrgon	s/out/you/
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2024-03-28 20:11:16	phonemic	Thanks, I'll do some reading and play around it with
2024-03-28 20:11:21	phonemic	*with it
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2024-03-28 20:14:19	rounak	I am using kde wayland and I cannot launch CSGO on my pc. 
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2024-03-28 20:15:13	rounak	It just hangs 
2024-03-28 20:15:14	rounak	:/
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2024-03-28 20:24:24	_xRichard__	anybody can help me out ?
2024-03-28 20:24:29	farkenvoid	I hateit when that happens
2024-03-28 20:25:36	farkenvoid	rounak: you'll need to be more forthcoming with system information
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2024-03-28 20:25:45	farkenvoid	!ask
2024-03-28 20:25:45	phrik	Don't ask to ask, if anyone is here or alive, or uses something. Just ask, and we'll get moving along. Thanks.
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2024-03-28 20:27:24	_xRichard__	i just did new conversation came up, i dont have sound on laptop
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2024-03-28 20:29:46	another|	What CPU?
2024-03-28 20:30:10	another|	hmm... s/What/Which/
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2024-03-28 22:16:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-03-28 20:33:15	_xRichard__	how can i check ? its i5-1335U
2024-03-28 20:33:35	_xRichard__	from cat /proc/cpuinfo, any special info needed ?
2024-03-28 20:35:12	rounak	farkenvoid: https://paste.rs/hOGo0.txt
2024-03-28 20:35:14	phrik	Title: Source Code | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-03-28 20:36:24	farkenvoid	umm
2024-03-28 20:36:59	farkenvoid	di you read the arch nvidia wiki?
2024-03-28 20:37:22	rounak	ofc I did ?
2024-03-28 20:37:34	ZLima12	_xRichard__: did you move to pipewire from pulseaudio? Or is this a new installation and pipewire is all you've tried?
2024-03-28 20:37:43	ZLima12	Have you installed linux-firmware?
2024-03-28 20:39:12	rounak	ZLima12: That is an essential package that everyone has installed during the pacstrap command -_____-
2024-03-28 20:39:14	rounak	https://paste.rs/mSgNq.txt
2024-03-28 20:39:15	phrik	Title: Source Code | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-03-28 20:40:16	ZLima12	rounak: there are plenty of systems where you can boot without it
2024-03-28 20:40:41	ZLima12	And it's not required by any package on my system, so I had to know to install it
2024-03-28 20:40:50	ZLima12	Which not everyone knows to do
2024-03-28 20:41:29	_xRichard__	Zlima12: i just instaleld the packages, yes linux-firmware installed
2024-03-28 20:41:53	ZLima12	_xRichard__: you just installed it, or it was already installed?
2024-03-28 20:42:25	rounak	yeah sometimes lnux-firmware gets installed by default as an dependency 
2024-03-28 20:42:49	ZLima12	rounak: A dependency for what?
2024-03-28 20:43:01	rounak	for linux or linux-zen ig
2024-03-28 20:43:06	ZLima12	It's optional for them
2024-03-28 20:43:18	rounak	oh i see
2024-03-28 20:43:24	ZLima12	So it wouldn't be pulled in, you'd have to specify it
2024-03-28 20:43:54	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide#Install_essential_packages
2024-03-28 20:43:55	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-28 20:46:08	another|	_xRichard__: sof-firmware
2024-03-28 20:46:38	ZLima12	another|: They already had it
2024-03-28 20:47:05	_xRichard__	Zlima12: already installed. another|: also sof-firmware already installed
2024-03-28 20:48:15	another|	ah, i see. didn't scroll up that far
2024-03-28 20:48:36	ZLima12	_xRichard__: nothing comes up from `lspci | grep Audio`?
2024-03-28 20:48:48	another|	okay. pipewire? pipewire-pulse?
2024-03-28 20:51:06	_xRichard__	Zlima12: nope :( another|: both installed
2024-03-28 20:51:44	another|	wireplumber ?
2024-03-28 20:53:30	_xRichard__	another: -Qs wireplumber = libwireplumber + wireplumber
2024-03-28 20:54:56	ZLima12	_xRichard__: Can you paste `sudo dmesg | grep -E 'snd[-_]'` and `lsmod | grep snd`
2024-03-28 20:55:00	ZLima12	If there's any output
2024-03-28 20:56:52	_xRichard__	Zlima12: first one returned empty second: snd_seq_dummy          12288  0 snd_hrtimer            12288  1 snd_seq               131072  7 snd_seq_dummy snd_seq_device         16384  1 snd_seq snd_timer              53248  2 snd_seq,snd_hrtimer snd                   159744  5 snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_timer soundcore              16384  1 snd
2024-03-28 20:58:48	ZLima12	_xRichard__: If you don't mind, could you paste the outputs of `lspci` and `lsusb`? It's hard to find what your audio device is otherwise
2024-03-28 20:59:27	ZLima12	Also, use something like https://bpa.st to paste things
2024-03-28 20:59:28	phrik	Title: Create new paste (at bpa.st)
2024-03-28 21:00:19	ZLima12	!paste
2024-03-28 21:00:19	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-03-28 21:00:37	_xRichard__	https://bpa.st/CWGA
2024-03-28 21:00:38	phrik	Title: View paste CWGA (at bpa.st)
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2024-03-28 22:18:40	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-03-28 22:31:57	adherry	hmm
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2024-03-28 22:32:03	adherry	something is wrong with the latest kernel
2024-03-28 22:32:24	adherry	my system off is not always actually happening, i just look at the dmesg power off message and nothing happens
2024-03-28 22:32:30	adherry	and my bt is thoroughly borked
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2024-03-28 22:36:27	adherry	debugging on the ssystem where irc is open is also maybe not the best idea
2024-03-28 22:36:45	cake37	adherry: yeah i had the same issue with latest kernel. Shutdown gets stuck then i get a kernel taint. Sound and bluetooth were also broken. Downgraded for now
2024-03-28 22:36:59	adherry	whats the way to downgrade
2024-03-28 22:37:07	adherry	pacman -S <old version> ?
2024-03-28 22:37:17	adherry	i mean i see on the second boot that it fails to load firmware
2024-03-28 22:37:29	adherry	which is something that happens if the device has not been properly told to shut off
2024-03-28 22:37:35	adherry	win does usually do such shenanigans
2024-03-28 22:37:40	cake37	No
2024-03-28 22:37:55	cake37	cd /var/cache/pacman/pkg
2024-03-28 22:38:02	cake37	sudo pacman -U file://linux-6.8.1.arch1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst file://linux-headers-6.8.1.arch1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
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2024-03-28 22:39:04	adherry	thx
2024-03-28 22:39:16	adherry	and once they fixed that i just Syu again?
2024-03-28 22:39:31	adherry	Mar 13 22:24:37 Iona kernel: Bluetooth: hci0: Reading supported features failed (-19)
2024-03-28 22:39:33	adherry	Mar 13 22:24:37 Iona kernel: Bluetooth: hci0: sending frame failed (-19)
2024-03-28 22:39:35	adherry	Mar 13 22:24:37 Iona kernel: Bluetooth: hci0: FW download error recovery failed (-19)
2024-03-28 22:39:38	adherry	so thats what i get on the second boot
2024-03-28 22:39:43	cake37	Downgrade and reboot and you should be fine. If BT is still broken shut down, unplug the power for a few seconds, then power on again. That should reset the bt controller (learned that from the arch wiki yesterday)
2024-03-28 22:39:56	adherry	yeah thats how i learned it when i switched
2024-03-28 22:40:10	adherry	if you forget to turn off fast boot on the dualbooted windows that also borks adapter
2024-03-28 22:40:15	adherry	since win never unloads firmware then
2024-03-28 22:40:20	L3M0R	Hi. I'm trying to apply my chezmoi config but I get an error "gpg: public key decryption failed: No secret key". I've imported the keys I used the files to encrypt with but solution as of yet.
2024-03-28 22:40:27	sunyibo	my computer gets stuck during boot at "Loading initial ramdisk ..." after an update. How can I solve this?
2024-03-28 22:40:29	adherry	and wifi chip be like "who the heck are you"
2024-03-28 22:40:39	cake37	Yeah you can either tell pacman to ignore those two packages (linux and headers) untilthe issue is fixed or don't do syu altogether until the issue is fixed
2024-03-28 22:40:48	L3M0R	*but no solution
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2024-03-28 22:41:28	adherry	then lets see
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2024-03-28 21:41:34	adherry	lemme just quickly disable steam autostart
2024-03-28 21:41:36	adherry	^^
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2024-03-28 22:44:49	lmat	I'm using systemd-networkd and systemd-resolved. It appears to be working properly, but it doesn't resolve host names on my local network. My firewall runs a DHCP server with names for my machines, but they don't resolve properly using this configuration.
2024-03-28 22:45:37	lmat	My /etc/systemd/network/20-wired.network says https://paste.rs/WSZ0s
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2024-03-28 22:45:44	adherry	nice
2024-03-28 22:45:48	adherry	2 boots and bt still works
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2024-03-28 22:46:03	adherry	sure i have the old 6.8.1 bug of having to manually enable it after each boot
2024-03-28 22:46:05	adherry	but i have BT
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2024-03-28 22:46:21	lmat	/etc/resolv.conf is a symbolic link to /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf ...
2024-03-28 22:46:23	gaku	lmat: `resolvectl status` what is your current DNS server?
2024-03-28 22:47:11	lmat	Global says 1.1.1.1, 9.9.9.9, 8.8.8.8 and some ipv6 ones. Link 2 (enp67s0) says 10.23.4.1 (which is the firewall that should be able to resolve these names).
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2024-03-28 22:47:33	lmat	In fact, this all looks useful... https://paste.rs/7sGME
2024-03-28 22:48:05	lmat	Global says "resolv.conf mode: stub" but that's not present on Link 2... I don't know if that matters.
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2024-03-28 22:48:33	gaku	it should be going straight to your DNS server, do you have `drill`? Try resolving your known local hostnames
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2024-03-28 22:48:55	gaku	mingdao: read the documentation
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2024-03-28 22:49:09	gaku	lmat: actually, is your personal DNS server caching?
2024-03-28 22:49:09	lmat	mingdao: systemd-resolved creates /etc/resolv.conf as a compatibility layer.
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2024-03-28 22:49:22	lmat	gaku: I would guess so, but why?
2024-03-28 22:49:36	gaku	you could skip the stub-resolver, let your system go straight to the router
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2024-03-28 22:49:51	gaku	right now your DNS is going first to systemd-resolved, then to the router
2024-03-28 22:50:20	lmat	gaku: drill polycarp; says https://paste.rs/aOgp5
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2024-03-28 22:50:38	gaku	`man 1 systemd-resolved` is the different modes to configure it
2024-03-28 22:51:02	gaku	or the wiki, regardless
2024-03-28 22:51:10	adherry	https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218651 well at least someone already reported it
2024-03-28 22:51:34	gaku	lmat: there's a chance systemd-resolved is messing with you, try drill straight to your router's DNS server
2024-03-28 22:52:50	gaku	lmat: something like `drill polycarp @<the ipv4 here>
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2024-03-28 22:54:07	lmat	drill polycarp @10.23.4.23 says "Error: error sending query: Could not send or receive, because of network error"
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2024-03-28 22:54:52	gaku	lmat: is your DNS listening to a non-standard port?
2024-03-28 22:55:02	gaku	but this looks like a worse issue tbh
2024-03-28 22:55:17	lmat	gaku: I've never configured it before and it's been working for many years (NetworkManager or other resolvers than systemd-resolved)
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2024-03-28 22:57:08	gaku	sanity check, can you still ping the router? does your network devices have ipv4?
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2024-03-28 22:57:38	lmat	Yup. ping 10.23.4.1 has latency of around 0.3 ms.
2024-03-28 22:58:12	gaku	can you ping '10.23.4.23' this one?
2024-03-28 22:59:29	gaku	why did you use '10.23.4.23' anyways? that isn't the target DNS server enp67s0 is "using"
2024-03-28 22:59:49	lmat	Yes, I can ping and SSH to 10.23.4.23
2024-03-28 23:00:03	lmat	gaku: Should I   drill pfsense @10.23.4.1; ?
2024-03-28 23:00:24	lmat	(pfsense is my router/firewall/dns server/DHCP server, etc.)
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2024-03-29 03:40:29	chovy	what is a keyserver?
2024-03-29 03:40:50	ZLima12	the Ubuntu one has worked for me every time
2024-03-29 03:40:54	Namarrgon	a server that serves pgp keys
2024-03-29 03:40:59	chovy	gpg: keyserver receive failed: Server indicated a failure
2024-03-29 03:41:03	kevr	basically people upload their keys to a particular keyserver, and you have to query a keyserver that contains the key to be able to receive it
2024-03-29 03:41:14	gromit	chovy: the key should be available in the keys/pgp/ subfolder of the repo
2024-03-29 03:41:23	kevr	ah, nice
2024-03-29 03:42:15	ZLima12	chovy: weird, I just ran that and it worked for me
2024-03-29 03:42:31	ZLima12	But it looks like that key expired in 2021
2024-03-29 03:42:34	chovy	ZLima12: do i need to install omething?
2024-03-29 03:43:30	ZLima12	chovy: just curious, is there a reason you're installing krunner5 instead of krunner
2024-03-29 03:43:53	chovy	ZLima12: no idea. it just wants to
2024-03-29 03:43:58	ZLima12	what is "it"?
2024-03-29 03:44:02	chovy	yaya
2024-03-29 03:44:03	chovy	yay
2024-03-29 03:44:13	chovy	what is krunner?
2024-03-29 03:44:15	ZLima12	When you do what?
2024-03-29 03:44:19	chovy	yay -Syu
2024-03-29 03:44:33	ZLima12	chovy: if you don't want it, just do `pacman -R krunner5`
2024-03-29 03:44:41	chovy	what is it? i have no idea
2024-03-29 03:44:47	chovy	i don't want to remove it if its required for kde
2024-03-29 03:44:58	ZLima12	It's not anymore
2024-03-29 03:45:02	ZLima12	As long as you're on plasma 6
2024-03-29 03:45:06	Namarrgon	you should get rid of your aur helper until you have figured out the basics of package management
2024-03-29 03:45:22	chovy	ok
2024-03-29 03:45:32	ZLima12	chovy: Basically, it's the old version. You can delete it if you don't have a reason for having it
2024-03-29 03:45:46	chovy	ZLima12: done
2024-03-29 03:45:48	chovy	thanks
2024-03-29 03:46:28	kevr	chovy: if you really want to use krunner5 from the AUR, you don't need the keyserver fetch as gromit mentioned, inside of the srcdir there is "keys/pgp/53E6B47B45CEA3E0D5B7457758D0EE648A48B3BB.asc" at the moment, you can import it via `gpg --import keys/pgp/53E6B47B45CEA3E0D5B7457758D0EE648A48B3BB.asc`
2024-03-29 03:46:51	kevr	keyserver is nice when you dont have the key in some form on your system already, not needed in this case
2024-03-29 03:47:58	kevr	but yeah, i would take Namarrgon's advice here, it's important to understand how makepkg works in general before you use a helper to obscure the details away
2024-03-29 03:48:37	chovy	ok i'll read up on it
2024-03-29 03:49:01	kevr	chovy: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_User_Repository may help
2024-03-29 03:49:02	phrik	Title: Arch User Repository - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-29 03:50:35	ZLima12	chovy: also, if it were truly required for kde, you would get an error when you tried to remove it. If it were optional for it, you'd get a warning
2024-03-29 04:36:44	drathir_tor	hmmm... latest 6.8.2-arch2-1 seems still broken hang at "Loading initial ramdisk..." where lts works fine...
2024-03-29 04:37:05	gromit	drathir_tor: is there any error message visible? 
2024-03-29 04:39:04	drathir_tor	gromit:the biggest problem probably there no additional errors its hangs even before any logging starts...
2024-03-29 04:39:33	gromit	drathir_tor: are you setting quiet kernel parameters by chance? 
2024-03-29 04:39:43	gromit	drathir_tor: also do you have a lenovo x13? 
2024-03-29 04:40:35	drathir_tor	gromit:  loglevel=7
2024-03-29 04:41:44	espresso	Psi-Jack: you might find an issue searching https://forum.vivaldi.net/category/35/vivaldi-for-linux ? or if it has something like searching hidden settings in about:config ..
2024-03-29 04:41:45	phrik	Title: Vivaldi for Linux | Vivaldi Forum (at forum.vivaldi.net)
2024-03-29 04:42:39	drathir_tor	gromit: its old asus on amd AMD Athlon(tm) X2 Dual-Core QL-64
2024-03-29 04:43:17	gromit	drathir_tor: just asking because with the model mentioned above there seem to be kernel issues with its bt chip
2024-03-29 04:44:15	drathir_tor	gromit: no bt only Qualcomm Atheros AR928X at this one...
2024-03-29 04:52:18	drathir_tor	gromit: even switched grub into console output mode which show some kaslr error but the same error is on lts (which working)... what also noticed not sure if relevant at all its however not pass with booting to show "NUMA: nodes only cover 0MB of your 2815MB e820 RAM. Not used." error which is also present on lts...
2024-03-29 04:52:50	gromit	drathir_tor: o.O tbh I am not much help debugging rn
2024-03-29 04:55:01	nullstring	espresso: Failed to set value 'opencl=ocl@va' for option 'init_hw_device': No such device
2024-03-29 04:55:04	nullstring	it's back again o.o
2024-03-29 04:55:08	drathir_tor	gromit: no worries still thanks for trying to help... and bc its older device im somehow aware less people could reproduce issue...
2024-03-29 04:56:24	gromit	drathir_tor: you could try to bisect the issue and report it upstream, but that requires quite some work
2024-03-29 04:58:46	gromit	There is https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bisecting_bugs_with_Git and https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/reporting-regressions.html
2024-03-29 04:58:47	phrik	Title: Bisecting bugs with Git - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-29 04:59:01	drathir_tor	gromit: yea at this point i srart to wonder if its possible to enable some exrta early logging or its require rebuild of whole kernel... bc get any error refference at all would be helpfull...
2024-03-29 04:59:56	drathir_tor	gromit: thanks will study it... ;D
2024-03-29 05:05:50	espresso	nullstring: possibly related ? https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin-web/discussions/3410  seemed to have a problem with HDR sources
2024-03-29 05:08:40	espresso	oh, I guess there are differences to your error..
2024-03-29 05:16:19	UndeadLeech	virtualsid: To be fair, the author of Alacritty is also strange and oddly opinionated about tmux.
2024-03-29 05:21:39	UndeadLeech	:)
2024-03-29 05:25:17	UndeadLeech	I've never used plex, but I love Jellyfin. Does its app not support offline viewing?
2024-03-29 05:26:24	espresso	< minidlna pauper ;)
2024-03-29 05:27:14	UndeadLeech	Honestly I don't mind sqlite at all, everything else can be annoying to setup.
2024-03-29 05:27:23	UndeadLeech	Like this all you need to do is install it and start the systemd service.
2024-03-29 05:28:00	UndeadLeech	I'm surprised it would go to the first episode of the first season for DVR, considering it doesn't do that for normal TV shows.
2024-03-29 05:31:15	UndeadLeech	What's PMS and how is Jellyfin not "truly FOSS"? I also don't see how SQLite would cause issues with NFS, I have all my shared media on NFS but it's not like Jellyfin actually needs to store a lot of stuff.
2024-03-29 05:35:13	UndeadLeech	Oh, you're saying PMS isn't and Jellyfin is. Got it.
2024-03-29 05:35:35	UndeadLeech	Yeah I tried plex once and nuked it the second I saw a registration form.
2024-03-29 05:36:15	UndeadLeech	Psi-Jack: How is NFS going to affect sqlite? You make it sound like NFS has frequent file corruption issues.
2024-03-29 05:36:36	UndeadLeech	Yeah no I'm too much of a software extremist for that.
2024-03-29 05:36:50	UndeadLeech	Luckily I don't know what I'm missing out on either though I suppose.
2024-03-29 05:37:15	UndeadLeech	Psi-Jack: There's only ever one person writing to the jellyfin db though, right?
2024-03-29 05:37:31	UndeadLeech	I only use the web version of it, so I'm not entirely sure how all the apps etc work.
2024-03-29 05:38:30	UndeadLeech	I mean ext4 is multi-threaded too.
2024-03-29 05:40:21	UndeadLeech	I don't see the failure scenario here. IO is inherently fallible and usually asynchronous, it's not like sqlite can't handle that.
2024-03-29 05:40:24	whoami	Psi-Jack: plex uses a sqlite database too
2024-03-29 05:40:36	whoami	why would you keep your sqlite db on an nfs share?
2024-03-29 05:40:44	UndeadLeech	> SQLite themselves suggest against it on NFS as a whole.
2024-03-29 05:40:47	UndeadLeech	Oh I didn't know that.
2024-03-29 05:41:01	whoami	UndeadLeech: https://www.sqlite.org/faq.html#q5
2024-03-29 05:41:02	phrik	Title: SQLite Frequently Asked Questions (at www.sqlite.org)
2024-03-29 05:41:06	UndeadLeech	whoami: I just have everything on an NFS share.
2024-03-29 05:41:42	whoami	so you have jellyfin running locally, but storing its sqlite db on an nfs share?
2024-03-29 05:41:43	UndeadLeech	Actually now that I think about it though, my jellyfin stuff itself isn't on the nfs share. It's just the media itself. So it's probably just irrelevant for me.
2024-03-29 05:41:48	whoami	yeah
2024-03-29 05:42:12	UndeadLeech	Yeah my brain malfunctioned there, it's never accessed through NFS.
2024-03-29 05:43:20	UndeadLeech	It talks about `fcntl() file locking is broken on many NFS implementations` and then goes on complaining about Windows. Is this actually an issue on Linux? I feel like it's unlikely NFS would be so broken on Linux.
2024-03-29 05:43:49	whoami	UndeadLeech: it is, i believe, a real issue
2024-03-29 05:44:14	UndeadLeech	whoami: So you're claiming fnctl file locking is broken with Linux's NFS implementation?
2024-03-29 05:44:53	UndeadLeech	Specifically NFSv4 I suppose.
2024-03-29 05:45:22	nullstring	espresso: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2160500#p2160500 I wonder if this is related
2024-03-29 05:45:23	phrik	Title: Intel OpenCL is absent / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-03-29 05:45:30	nullstring	It seems like it works with non-hdr sources just fine
2024-03-29 05:45:39	nullstring	and it works if I turn off tonemapping
2024-03-29 05:45:44	nullstring	it seems like opencl isn't working
2024-03-29 05:46:32	UndeadLeech	Also I love how SQLite just tells people not to use threads lol.
2024-03-29 05:46:54	nullstring	Psi-Jack: on intel?
2024-03-29 05:47:01	nullstring	intel gpu*
2024-03-29 05:48:24	nullstring	Psi-Jack: yes
2024-03-29 05:48:39	nullstring	ok thx
2024-03-29 05:48:43	UndeadLeech	`man 2 flock` suggests to me that locking should work fine on NFS since Linux 2.6.11.
2024-03-29 05:48:52	UndeadLeech	Well 2.6.12 technically.
2024-03-29 05:49:50	whoami	as long as all clients set local_lock=posix, right?
2024-03-29 05:50:27	whoami	don't*
2024-03-29 05:50:56	whoami	does it work with applications running on the host as well?
2024-03-29 05:50:58	UndeadLeech	Yeah but that "client" would be sqlite, so you can't complain about NFS locking being broken when you're the one breaking it.
2024-03-29 05:51:11	whoami	i don't follow
2024-03-29 05:51:49	whoami	i didn't see where sqlite specifically said nfsd's file locking is broken
2024-03-29 05:52:01	whoami	i interpreted it as, it doesn't work correctly on all servers - it's a point of failure
2024-03-29 05:52:27	UndeadLeech	Yeah I was just curious which servers those were. It read to me like it had issues with some Windows servers.
2024-03-29 05:52:34	UndeadLeech	Which in my book is completely irrelevant.
2024-03-29 05:52:43	whoami	and i guess older linux servers
2024-03-29 05:53:26	UndeadLeech	My xcp-ng runs ancient business Linux and even that is on 4.19.0. If it's that old I feel like everything will be broken.
2024-03-29 05:53:40	whoami	https://access.redhat.com/solutions/120733 red hat recommends against it as well
2024-03-29 05:53:41	phrik	Title: Can SQLite and TDB databases be used with NFS? - Red Hat Customer PortalRed Hat Customer Portal - Access to 24x7 support and knowledge (at access.redhat.com)
2024-03-29 05:53:44	drathir_tor	SQLite issues when ffmpeg encoding works just fine over nfs shares sounds at least interesting...
2024-03-29 05:54:06	whoami	the way red hat describes it, it's a performance issue
2024-03-29 05:54:18	whoami	because it locks the entire file, not parts of the file
2024-03-29 05:54:36	UndeadLeech	That's working as intended though, right? You'd have the same behavior locally?
2024-03-29 05:55:48	⚡ 	drathir_tor however would see issue for that if multiple sources accesing the same file...
2024-03-29 05:56:02	UndeadLeech	Also this was released in 2012, at which point Red Hat still supported RHEL 3 (kernel 2.4).
2024-03-29 05:56:11	whoami	sqlite supports shared read locks
2024-03-29 05:56:23	whoami	perhaps they do not work over nfs? idk
2024-03-29 05:56:30	whoami	could be outdated
2024-03-29 05:57:07	drathir_tor	but with that would be more application fault to not implement proper signaling file is in use...
2024-03-29 05:57:18	UndeadLeech	I mean it's probably not ideal, but none of this indicates to me that sqlite necessarily will explode when run on a modern Linux NFS server.
2024-03-29 05:58:34	whoami	i agree
2024-03-29 05:58:54	whoami	now i wonder how old this is
2024-03-29 05:59:26	whoami	lol. there is a note at least back in 2004 - https://web.archive.org/web/20040814024630/https://www.sqlite.org/faq.html#q5
2024-03-29 05:59:29	phrik	Title: SQLite Frequently Asked Questions (at web.archive.org)
2024-03-29 06:00:23	UndeadLeech	Man the current major version of sqlite is almost 20 years old. Time flies.
2024-03-29 06:02:23	sunyibo	My computer after an update gets stuck during boot at "Loading initial ramdisk". How can I fix this?
2024-03-29 06:04:05	sunyibo	pacman -Syu
2024-03-29 06:04:13	sunyibo	not sure about which packages
2024-03-29 06:04:23	UndeadLeech	You can check the pacman log for which packages got updated.
2024-03-29 06:04:35	UndeadLeech	/var/log/pacman.log
2024-03-29 06:04:43	sunyibo	blindly
2024-03-29 06:04:59	sunyibo	so I have to boot with a stick?
2024-03-29 06:05:01	UndeadLeech	Well that's why I always have a live iso around.
2024-03-29 06:05:24	sunyibo	live iso arch?
2024-03-29 06:05:39	UndeadLeech	ramdisk kinda sounds like Linux kernel update might have screwed something up, maybe just re-running mkinitcpio will fix it.
2024-03-29 06:06:20	sunyibo	mkinitcpio
2024-03-29 06:07:04	sunyibo	I HAVE a an arch iso laying around. I just didn't know about it. How do you label USB sticks?
2024-03-29 06:07:06	UndeadLeech	I guess just re-installing the kernel should work for both.
2024-03-29 06:07:29	sunyibo	How can I do fallbacks?
2024-03-29 06:07:43	UndeadLeech	It relies on having fallbacks in your bootloader.
2024-03-29 06:08:02	sunyibo	This is a really complicated wireguard remote unlock install I'm trying to revive.
2024-03-29 06:08:20	sunyibo	I spent more of January on it than I'm comfortable to admit.
2024-03-29 06:08:53	sunyibo	sorry about the off-topic whining. I'm getting to it.
2024-03-29 06:11:28	sunyibo	as in: I want my computer encrypted and I want to reboot it over wireguard. yes.
2024-03-29 06:11:32	drathir_tor	sunyibo: try live iso chroot into installation and install linux-lts package Youo could gade same issue as mine...
2024-03-29 06:12:01	sunyibo	I tried to boot into fallback and it gets stuck at the same place
2024-03-29 06:13:05	drathir_tor	Psi-Jack: assume some changes in kernel prevent booting hard to pinpoint, bc no usable error message to search for issue...
2024-03-29 06:14:54	drathir_tor	sunyibo: also if not want messing with internet setup for live iso You can just install previous kernel from pacman cache...
2024-03-29 06:16:01	drathir_tor	Psi-Jack: for me its happen such early that even loglevel=7 not give any output...
2024-03-29 06:16:41	novns	sunyibo, maybe your computer starts normally but your video driver doesn't work properly
2024-03-29 06:17:23	novns	sunyibo, do you have another display plugged, like TV or something
2024-03-29 06:17:36	sunyibo	no, just computer monitor
2024-03-29 06:17:37	drathir_tor	sunyibo: full encryption including /boot ?
2024-03-29 06:17:41	sunyibo	yup
2024-03-29 06:17:51	sunyibo	I'm booted now into the install usb
2024-03-29 06:17:55	novns	sunyibo, do you have sshd running there?
2024-03-29 06:17:57	drathir_tor	sunyibo: same here...
2024-03-29 06:18:00	sunyibo	yes
2024-03-29 06:18:17	novns	sunyibo, then you can try to login from another box
2024-03-29 06:18:44	novns	and check them logs
2024-03-29 06:22:05	drathir_tor	sunyibo: mount / partition into /mnt and /boot partition into /mnt/boot and if You have separate esp into /mnt/boot/EFI after that arch-chroot /mnt after pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/linux- find version one lower than latest 6.8.2-arch2-1
2024-03-29 06:22:54	sunyibo	I'm loving this
2024-03-29 06:24:51	sunyibo	I didn't get the pacman -U part
2024-03-29 06:24:58	sunyibo	I'm chrooted
2024-03-29 06:25:10	drathir_tor	sunyibo: sync to have sure data write to drive and ctrl +d one time to ecape from chroot and try reboot... also while in chroot You can install linux-lts but keep on mind to check free space on /boot at least 400M needed for both...
2024-03-29 06:25:42	drathir_tor	sunyibo: do You have internet connection ? if You does just pacman -S linux-lts
2024-03-29 06:27:57	sunyibo	done. now what?
2024-03-29 06:28:23	drathir_tor	sunyibo: if installed w/o errors regenerate grub
2024-03-29 06:28:54	drathir_tor	sunyibo:  grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg unless You have any special ones options normally used
2024-03-29 06:30:50	sunyibo	done
2024-03-29 06:31:11	drathir_tor	sunyibo: now ctrl+d and reboot... when You boot should automatically boot with linux-lts as default
2024-03-29 06:32:28	drathir_tor	fingers crossed its same issue otherwise more digging and debugging would be needed... ^^
2024-03-29 06:33:33	sunyibo	bingo
2024-03-29 06:34:10	sunyibo	In simple terms: what did I just do?
2024-03-29 06:34:19	drathir_tor	sunyibo: lucky You save at least few hours... ;p
2024-03-29 06:35:09	drathir_tor	sunyibo: but its just temporally fix... there is something changed un latest kernel which cause issue so far not sure what it is...
2024-03-29 06:36:51	sunyibo	is it me or is it arch?
2024-03-29 06:37:19	sunyibo	did I witness my first upgrade breaking install moment?
2024-03-29 06:37:34	drathir_tor	sunyibo: You now switched to and now using lts verion of kernel which is mostly fine... and its most likely upstream change not really arch fault...
2024-03-29 06:39:25	drathir_tor	sunyibo: not even really connected with updates too... just something upstream in kernel changed which cause kernel issues... it could be related to grub and fde tho is blind guess...
2024-03-29 06:39:39	novns	sunyibo, don't forget to remove "quiet" from kernel args
2024-03-29 06:40:34	sunyibo	I just updated my laptop, I might run into the same issues?
2024-03-29 06:42:44	drathir_tor	sunyibo: wonder if You like to share /etc/mkinitcpio.conf HOOKS= used ?
2024-03-29 06:44:04	drathir_tor	sunyibo: if laptop use fde it could be possible if not rebooted You can still install linux-lts and regenerate grub You can switch between kernels in grub...
2024-03-29 06:44:57	drathir_tor	sunyibo: You just ommit whole live iso and chroot part in advance...
2024-03-29 06:48:51	sunyibo	I am running some backups ;-)
2024-03-29 06:52:11	drathir_tor	sunyibo: backups always good to have, even if data should be just fine and most likely would be needed same procedure as now made if same issue happen on laptop...
2024-03-29 06:53:04	⚡ 	drathir_tor need to jump a little bit with kernels to pinpoint which exactly kernel started issue...
2024-03-29 08:09:56	chiselfuse	it's insane how much memory chromium uses. it's the only process i start and my thing almost freezes because of it
2024-03-29 08:10:05	chiselfuse	is there anything i can do to improve performance?
2024-03-29 08:10:16	chiselfuse	yes yes i know i'm using the wrong browser
2024-03-29 08:10:52	ayushnix	every browser is wrong, you're good
2024-03-29 08:10:58	Tom^	hm can you limit its content process amount as firefox?
2024-03-29 08:11:07	Tom^	limit it like to 2-3 instead of 8 or whatever is the default
2024-03-29 08:12:23	chiselfuse	Tom^: what are you talking about?
2024-03-29 08:15:57	Tom^	chiselfuse: firefox and chromium spawns multiple processes for various things to speed up all your 100 tabs and youtube videos running
2024-03-29 08:16:25	Tom^	i know in firefox you can limit the amount and it also reduces the ram consumption at the cost of a bit loading etc
2024-03-29 08:18:04	Tom^	chiselfuse: https://i.imgur.com/Jl7daph.png
2024-03-29 08:18:12	Tom^	thats not limited tho, got enough ram :p
2024-03-29 08:31:10	bookworm	shove it in a cgroup
2024-03-29 08:32:09	bookworm	but what are you running it on that it freezes? A toaster?
2024-03-29 08:38:29	akik	Tom^: you can limit them a bit but not completely to 1
2024-03-29 08:41:15	chiselfuse	akik: can you tell me how? i tried all in https://superuser.com/a/1638197 and none look to be working
2024-03-29 08:41:16	phrik	Title: command line - How to run Google Chrome in a single process? - Super User (at superuser.com)
2024-03-29 08:41:50	akik	Tom^: https://paste.linux.chat/?3641be2c2e3824a7#DWm4ZL32DpFNtS8L5t1H18iNfagZEQFcmR4GLVXXuZ3D
2024-03-29 08:41:51	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/Xsh-.txt
2024-03-29 08:41:52	phrik	Title: Linux.Chat PrivateBin (at paste.linux.chat)
2024-03-29 08:44:50	akik	wait they've changed
2024-03-29 08:46:20	chiselfuse	akik: are these supposed to be in chrome://flags ?
2024-03-29 08:46:28	chiselfuse	or how do i set those options
2024-03-29 08:46:59	akik	oh wait i read Tom^'s question wrong
2024-03-29 08:47:07	akik	sorry those are only for firefox
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2024-03-29 10:33:19	enoq	https://dpaste.com/9VVM6PKEF kernel bug?
2024-03-29 10:33:22	phrik	Title: dpaste: 9VVM6PKEF (at dpaste.com)
2024-03-29 10:33:29	enoq	kernel NULL pointer dereference
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2024-03-29 10:34:02	enoq	happened after rebooting with the latest update
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2024-03-29 10:40:24	Tom^	use something that doesnt fail dnssec
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2024-03-29 10:56:32	rounak	I am using kde wayland and I want to know the window class name of an application. Is there a command lne utlity to do so?
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2024-03-29 10:56:48	rounak	I know that n xorg we can use xprop but idk about wayland
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2024-03-29 10:08:24	fernie	idk about command line, but System Settings -> Window Management -> Window Rules -> Add New -> Detect Window Properties can tell you that
2024-03-29 10:08:46	snoriman	Hi, I just did a full upgrade after which I couldn't login using SSH anymore. I'm not sure if I made a mistake previously or if this was caused by the update. Is the /etc/sshd/sshd_config.d/ updated or changed when I run `pacman -Syu` ? 
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2024-03-29 10:10:12	mpan	snoriman: hello. pacman never overwrites files marked as configuration files, if they differ from what’s the default for the package.
2024-03-29 10:10:33	snoriman	mpan: ok awesome. then I just made a typo
2024-03-29 10:10:56	mpan	Instead, a .pacnew file is placed the administrator is supposed to manually merge with their config.
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2024-03-29 10:14:16	mpan	snoriman: do you have means of accessing the system?
2024-03-29 10:14:39	pulec	lol https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/448120/how-can-i-use-windows-to-create-an-os-x-el-capitan-or-macos-sierra-usb-flash-dri
2024-03-29 10:14:41	phrik	Title: How can I use Windows to create an OS X El Capitan or macOS Sierra USB flash drive installer from the disk image (.dmg) file downloaded from Apple? - Ask Different (at apple.stackexchange.com)
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2024-03-29 10:18:18	snoriman	mpan: yes, I've fixed the issue. Thanks!
2024-03-29 10:18:25	mpan	What was it, if I may ask?
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2024-03-29 10:18:34	mpan	faillock?
2024-03-29 10:19:27	snoriman	No, I'm using 2 factor authentication which requires `KbdInteractiveAuthentication` to be set to `yes`
2024-03-29 10:19:32	mpan	O
2024-03-29 10:19:36	mpan	So indeed the update. :)
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2024-03-29 10:20:39	snoriman	Do you say this was indeed caused by the update?
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2024-03-29 10:22:20	mpan	snoriman: looking at the history now, it seems this value wasn’t changed for half a year. Then indeed… no. But you say this was the factor, so I assume it wasn’t present there before?
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2024-03-29 10:23:31	snoriman	It was, but it was set to "no" and I wasn't sure if I made a mistake or not while setting up. In my notes I'd written that I must set it to "yes" but the config was set to "no"
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2024-03-29 10:24:02	mpan	Well, then unsolved mystery. Good that it works now. :)
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2024-03-29 10:24:34	snoriman	Haha indeed. 
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2024-03-29 10:48:39	SysGhost	Got a rather borked computer here. A 4 core AMD Ryzen CPU with 2 cores defective. So much so they cause all kinds of crashes and whatnot. Must give Linux a big thumbs up for being able to run stable on it. If I boot windows on it, Windows won't detect two cores being defective, or Windows just don't care. Bluescreens, random reboots, hangs... just horribly unstable. Booting up Linux, the kernel
2024-03-29 10:48:39	SysGhost	throws a rather ominous error about two cores being 
2024-03-29 10:48:41	SysGhost	faulty. But then proceeds to boot with the two remaining cores and it's all as stable as one would expect from a Linux OS. ... ( ^ . ^ )b 
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2024-03-29 10:51:27	SysGhost	I know one can toss boot parameters to windows to disable the two cores. But then one have to figure out which two to disable and have the knowledge to do so. Linux does that automagically.
2024-03-29 10:51:41	SysGhost	\o/
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2024-03-29 10:53:48	kevr	Linux is the goat.
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2024-03-29 10:55:46	rapiz	does kalendar google intergration actually work?
2024-03-29 10:56:02	rapiz	It looks like akonadi_google_resource has been unmaintained for a really long time
2024-03-29 10:56:03	SysGhost	rapiz: in what context?
2024-03-29 10:56:19	Tom^	SysGhost: linux can also memtest=1 and memtest your ram and filter out bad sections :>
2024-03-29 10:56:21	rapiz	SysGhost: in the sense that you can actually add account and login
2024-03-29 10:56:24	Tom^	a bit slow boot doing so but
2024-03-29 10:56:33	pulec	what a mew https://i.redd.it/gr7207ocs7rc1.jpeg
2024-03-29 10:57:18	SysGhost	Tom^: That reminds me of the good ol times when memory was tested during POST. That's not done nowadays for obvious reasons. TickTickTickBrRrRRrrrRrRrrt!BEEP!
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2024-03-29 10:57:41	Tom^	my modem sounded somewhat like that too
2024-03-29 10:58:27	SysGhost	rapiz: oh... well.. kalendar? ... a KDE program? (I missed previous chat)
2024-03-29 10:58:44	rapiz	SysGhost: yes
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2024-03-29 11:00:02	SysGhost	Looking at my plasma 6 install, I see no kalendar at all.. closest is KOrganizer.
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2024-03-29 11:00:30	rapiz	SysGhost: yes same thing
2024-03-29 11:00:33	SysGhost	ah
2024-03-29 11:00:47	rapiz	essentially
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2024-03-29 11:01:34	SysGhost	oooh... like the new KOrganizer I must say. Haven't used it for a while.
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2024-03-29 11:01:53	SysGhost	Colour themes that covers the entire program window too. Ah! Hot pink!
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2024-03-29 11:02:33	SysGhost	okay... lemme see... it should be able to import ical webdav or whatever standard calendar format google can export to....
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2024-03-29 11:07:20	SysGhost	rapiz: was easy enough. I just synced my google account by adding it through Settings -> Configure KOrganizer -> General -> Tab "Calendars" and then "Add...". Choose "Google Groupware". give it your google login and allow when requesting permission.
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2024-03-29 11:11:00	SysGhost	See The beautiful ugliness of the hot pink theme: https://imgur.com/delete/8tKPAVzPvWyo5Wm
2024-03-29 11:11:01	phrik	Title: Delete an Image - Imgur (at imgur.com)
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2024-03-29 11:11:56	SysGhost	Yeah... you guys can delete it! Do so!
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2024-03-29 12:01:42	pulec	okay
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2024-03-29 12:17:31	throstur	chovy: `sudo pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring`, in case you never got your answer lol
2024-03-29 12:17:51	pulec	-Syu
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2024-03-29 12:18:28	pulec	or -Sy is probably fine, idk
2024-03-29 12:19:26	pulec	u, --sysupgrade
2024-03-29 12:19:32	pulec	that is a lot of text in manual
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2024-03-29 13:07:05	diep	Hi, Im developing an app using tauri framework webview and since a recent system update the app window open but with a blank screen, and this error log spamming, also there is a journal error -> https://b.deip.fr/p/emu-wolf-swan
2024-03-29 13:07:06	phrik	Title: MicroBin (at b.deip.fr)
2024-03-29 13:07:33	diep	note I have an nvidia card with nvidia driver installed
2024-03-29 13:08:39	diep	and KMS enabled (`nvidia_drm.modeset=1` in kernal params + mkinitcpio modules for nvidia)
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2024-03-29 13:15:12	espresso	diep: Hi. maybe #programming ?
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2024-03-29 13:15:40	espresso	oh, maybe linux related..
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2024-03-29 13:23:16	espresso	diep: a quick-and-broad search found just one report in a GUI also based on Tauri, https://github.com/clash-verge-rev/clash-verge-rev/issues/752
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2024-03-29 13:57:54	phonemic	I moved from busybox to systemd for initramfs. Everything works great except tpm2-totp tokens no longer display. I have the HOOK right before sd-encrypt.
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2024-03-29 13:58:23	phonemic	It worked before with udev/encrypt. Codes would show up on time based interval.
2024-03-29 14:01:03	Namarrgon	which hook?
2024-03-29 14:01:22	phonemic	tpm2-totp
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2024-03-29 14:01:37	Namarrgon	where is that from?
2024-03-29 14:01:51	phonemic	https://github.com/tpm2-software/tpm2-totp
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2024-03-29 14:02:17	Namarrgon	does that include an mkinitcpio hook?
2024-03-29 14:03:06	phonemic	yeah it does. found this issue. reading now. https://github.com/tpm2-software/tpm2-totp/issues/82
2024-03-29 14:03:25	Namarrgon	many hooks need to be adapted for the systemd-based initramfs
2024-03-29 14:06:15	drigy	Do you have any ideas why I am not seeing my directories on my device?
2024-03-29 14:07:40	drigy	'exa' or 'ls' isn't showing any, just gets stuck and ranger and yazi only show couple of dirs
2024-03-29 14:07:59	Namarrgon	check the dmesg output for errors
2024-03-29 14:09:35	drigy	Thanks but nothing in there related to filesystem unfortunately
2024-03-29 14:10:26	Namarrgon	is that on your /-fs?
2024-03-29 14:11:01	drigy	home user
2024-03-29 14:11:20	Namarrgon	do you have a separate /home fs?
2024-03-29 14:11:29	drigy	Nope
2024-03-29 14:11:42	drigy	It's a permanent issue though, keeps happening
2024-03-29 14:12:06	Namarrgon	what is the path you're trying to access?
2024-03-29 14:13:02	drigy	anything under /home/user
2024-03-29 14:13:21	drigy	I can access / and /home
2024-03-29 14:13:33	drigy	but not the current user
2024-03-29 14:14:40	Namarrgon	what is the name of the user?
2024-03-29 14:14:49	Namarrgon	"namei -l /home/user"
2024-03-29 14:15:07	Namarrgon	as root
2024-03-29 14:16:30	drigy	User is 'kopachke'. Output from your command is 'kopachke wheel kopachke' so all okay i guess
2024-03-29 14:16:44	Namarrgon	post the output to a paste service
2024-03-29 14:17:32	drigy	https://paste.centos.org/view/476aa898
2024-03-29 14:17:34	phrik	Title: Untitled - Pastebin Service (at paste.centos.org)
2024-03-29 14:21:09	drigy	Namarrgon: also found this in dmesg: https://paste.centos.org/view/26a51702
2024-03-29 14:21:11	phrik	Title: Untitled - Pastebin Service (at paste.centos.org)
2024-03-29 14:23:27	phonemic	Namarrgon: this is referencing an `sd-tpm2-totp` HOOK. However, when I use it says it isn't found. https://github.com/tpm2-software/tpm2-totp/issues/82
2024-03-29 14:26:50	Namarrgon	drigy: can you post the full kernel log?
2024-03-29 14:27:03	drigy	And now it works again
2024-03-29 14:27:13	Namarrgon	your user's $HOME should probably not be owned by wheel
2024-03-29 14:28:00	phonemic	Namarrgon: might be a release issue...the latest github version is from 2020, and this fix was in 2021
2024-03-29 14:28:16	Namarrgon	phonemic: what does the hook in the package look like?
2024-03-29 14:28:21	Namarrgon	the package that you have installed
2024-03-29 14:28:28	drigy	I will paste the log. I think wheel is fine, no? I do my arch install according to a book called the  Mousless Dev 
2024-03-29 14:28:44	phonemic	Namarrgon: where are the hooks located? 
2024-03-29 14:29:03	Namarrgon	drigy: if that is according to a book then you should recycle it
2024-03-29 14:29:17	drigy	Baffling.
2024-03-29 14:29:39	Namarrgon	phonemic: pacman -Ql <package> | grep hook
2024-03-29 14:30:08	phonemic	Namarrgon: yep, sd-tpm2-totp is missing. only have tpm2-totp
2024-03-29 14:30:11	phonemic	ugh
2024-03-29 14:31:36	domino14	does anyone else use Konversation? Why is it that I always have to join the #archlinux server manually but all other servers are fine?
2024-03-29 14:31:49	domino14	um, /s/server/channel/g
2024-03-29 14:32:14	domino14	I have it set to auto-join on connect but it never shows up in my list on the left when I restart Konversation
2024-03-29 14:32:32	drigy	I feel disapointed in my book now
2024-03-29 14:32:34	nathan	it's likely trying to join before you've authed with nickserv
2024-03-29 14:32:52	Bayangan	Its because this channel require you to identify to nickser before joining
2024-03-29 14:33:17	drigy	Namarrgon: https://drive.proton.me/urls/QHAR82QWCW#vVvpOrx9j3Il
2024-03-29 14:33:19	phrik	Title: Proton Drive (at drive.proton.me)
2024-03-29 14:33:38	Bayangan	And maybe autojoin command executed before auth command.
2024-03-29 14:35:46	Namarrgon	drigy: there's some storage related issue that's causing your listing issues
2024-03-29 14:36:25	drigy	At which line did you find it?
2024-03-29 14:36:36	Namarrgon	all the vfs stacktraces
2024-03-29 14:36:48	Namarrgon	since when do you get these?
2024-03-29 14:37:22	drigy	Perhaps mounting my server directory via sshfs?
2024-03-29 14:37:46	drigy	Couple of weeks now I'va had this issue
2024-03-29 14:38:05	Namarrgon	that's not an sshfs issue, you said your $HOME was part of the /-fs
2024-03-29 14:38:34	Namarrgon	do you get the same issue with the linux-lts kernel?
2024-03-29 14:39:04	drigy	Did not try lts yet. 
2024-03-29 14:39:36	drigy	Dayum, I mounted my server in my user dir
2024-03-29 14:40:05	drigy	But that shouldn't be it because it happens also when not mounted.
2024-03-29 14:40:18	Namarrgon	please be specific, everyone will assume that you mean $HOME when you say "user dir" but you seemingly don't mean that
2024-03-29 14:40:48	drigy	'home/kopachke' is what I mean
2024-03-29 14:41:44	drigy	Let me hop onto lts version and I will report back.
2024-03-29 14:42:00	Namarrgon	is that mount in fstab? or how do you mount sshfs over your $HOME?
2024-03-29 14:43:19	Namarrgon	domino14: do you have SASL set up for libera.chat?
2024-03-29 14:45:12	drigy	No, no, I mount it when I want to listen to music only
2024-03-29 14:45:47	Namarrgon	do you mount it to subdirectory of $HOME or straight on top of "/home/kopachke/"?
2024-03-29 14:45:54	drigy	I just run sshfs command in my terminal to mount it to /home/kopachke/hpmusic
2024-03-29 14:46:16	Namarrgon	okay
2024-03-29 14:46:42	Namarrgon	see if you can reproduce it without the sshfs mount
2024-03-29 14:47:09	drigy	Now I have rebooted the computer, not mounted anything and 'ls' isn't giving me any output. Same as before. Also I don't seem to have any lts arch
2024-03-29 14:47:36	Namarrgon	you have to install the linux-lts package and configure your bootloader 
2024-03-29 14:47:54	Namarrgon	do you still see the vfs stacktraces in dmesg?
2024-03-29 14:49:39	drigy	Yes, vfs stacktrace is still there
2024-03-29 14:50:12	Namarrgon	try the lts kernel. then start for other tuxedo users with similar issues
2024-03-29 14:50:16	Namarrgon	*start looking
2024-03-29 14:50:20	drigy	Namarrgon: what if you just direct me to a better book and I nuke the damn system?
2024-03-29 14:51:10	drigy	Idk, I have garuda on the same system and works fine
2024-03-29 14:51:13	Namarrgon	i doubt the book caused this. the weird permissions on %HOME look more like an accident, seeing as the owning group has only execute permissions.
2024-03-29 14:51:18	phrik	https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2024-03-29 14:51:29	Namarrgon	if you want to nuke it either way then follow the Installation Guide on the wiki
2024-03-29 14:52:10	drigy	For learning purposes, I am still learning linux
2024-03-29 14:53:48	drigy	Thanks Namarrgon I will continue exploring my options.
2024-03-29 14:55:03	domino14	@Namarrgon i have "SSL" set up for it
2024-03-29 14:57:43	nasmConnoisseur	Hello, I'm installing Arch and I have an issue configuring the initramfs for the encrypted root. How do I configure the initramfs for that?
2024-03-29 14:58:11	nasmConnoisseur	I have an encrypted root on luks with btrfs and subvolumes for root home and snapshots
2024-03-29 14:58:29	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Device encryption - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-29 14:58:38	nasmConnoisseur	Psi-Jack I did read that
2024-03-29 14:58:58	alwyn	My laptop started crashing sometimes a while ago, and it's happening more often. Now even while I was doing nothing (I did have multiple programs open but wasn't actively interfacing). I've run a full memtest pass, mprime ran for a while with a torture test (though possibly not long enough), I've compiled (portion of) the kernel and it all went fine without any crashes. Sometimes when my laptop
2024-03-29 14:59:00	alwyn	doesn't crash when running, it hangs when trying to shut it down and I have to hold the power button for 10 seconds. Can you guys recommend me more ways to diagnose or trigger this?
2024-03-29 14:59:26	nasmConnoisseur	How do I set the uuid for the encrypted partition? I'm using mkinitcpio
2024-03-29 15:00:29	Namarrgon	domino14: https://userbase.kde.org/Konversation/Configuring_SASL_authentication#Configuring_SASL_authentication
2024-03-29 15:00:30	phrik	Title: Konversation/Configuring SASL authentication - KDE UserBase Wiki (at userbase.kde.org)
2024-03-29 15:00:32	nasmConnoisseur	Also the btrfs subvols. I've set the kernel command line rootflags=subvol=root Psi-Jack
2024-03-29 15:00:56	Scimmia	nasmConnoisseur: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#Configuring_mkinitcpio
2024-03-29 15:00:57	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Encrypting an entire system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-29 15:01:57	cake37	alwyn: not sure about the crashes but I was having the same issue with shutdown hanging with the latest kernel (and some other issues) and I had to downgrade to 6.8.1. Maybe try that?
2024-03-29 15:03:28	alwyn	cake37: are you on the regular kernel? I should note I'm on linux-zen. I only upgraded from 6.8.1 to 6.8.2 yesterday, weeks after my issues started
2024-03-29 15:04:09	nasmConnoisseur	Scimmia root section: root=device where do I set this?
2024-03-29 15:04:11	cake37	Ahh okay. Yeah I'm on regular kernel.
2024-03-29 15:04:21	alwyn	I could try the regular kernel though
2024-03-29 15:04:33	Scimmia	nasmConnoisseur: as it says, your bootloader config
2024-03-29 15:04:44	nasmConnoisseur	But I use systemd-boot
2024-03-29 15:05:02	nasmConnoisseur	So how do I configure it with that kernel parameter?
2024-03-29 15:05:18	Metroid	/boot/loader/entries/*.conf
2024-03-29 15:05:27	Metroid	* being whatever you named your Arch entry
2024-03-29 15:05:43	Scimmia	might the linked pages say something about that? Or the systemd-boot wiki page?
2024-03-29 15:05:45	alwyn	Or linux-lts
2024-03-29 15:05:54	cake37	nasmConnoisseur: options in /efi/loader/entries/whatever.conf
2024-03-29 15:06:01	Scimmia	I mean, come on, you configured it to start with...
2024-03-29 15:06:58	nasmConnoisseur	```echo "root=$(blkid | grep rootfs)" | tee -a /boot/loader/loader.conf```
2024-03-29 15:07:26	Metroid	just copy and paste normally
2024-03-29 15:07:38	nasmConnoisseur	I'm on a tty for the install
2024-03-29 15:07:49	Namarrgon	that's the wrong config
2024-03-29 15:07:56	nasmConnoisseur	Where then
2024-03-29 15:08:18	Namarrgon	check the backlog, there were at least two hints
2024-03-29 15:09:11	nasmConnoisseur	In /boot/loader/entries/root.conf?
2024-03-29 15:09:17	nasmConnoisseur	There's no other file there...
2024-03-29 15:09:44	Metroid	loader.conf is configuring the settings of the bootloader, entries is what the bootloader lists
2024-03-29 15:10:07	Metroid	correct nasmConnoisseur 
2024-03-29 15:10:31	nasmConnoisseur	OK, what about the subvolumes?
2024-03-29 15:11:02	nasmConnoisseur	Can I just set in the same file rootflags=subvol=root ? Metroid
2024-03-29 15:11:50	Metroid	i've a btrfs encrypted setup, mine however is rootflags=subvol=@
2024-03-29 15:12:01	Metroid	idk if there's a difference
2024-03-29 15:12:04	nasmConnoisseur	Sure my subvol is root
2024-03-29 15:12:22	nasmConnoisseur	I'm asking if it's correct to set it there?
2024-03-29 15:12:51	Metroid	the options line is where you put "kernel paramters"
2024-03-29 15:12:59	Metroid	parameters*
2024-03-29 15:13:04	nasmConnoisseur	"Options line"?
2024-03-29 15:13:12	nasmConnoisseur	No such thing in .
2024-03-29 15:13:26	nasmConnoisseur	In /boot/loader/entries/
2024-03-29 15:13:34	Metroid	paste the contents of your root.conf
2024-03-29 15:13:46	nasmConnoisseur	I need wgetpaste
2024-03-29 15:14:53	Metroid	always easier to ssh from another into the chroot for situations like this
2024-03-29 15:15:45	nasmConnoisseur	Metroid  in /boot/loader/entries/root.conf: root=UUID=<uuid of /dev/mapper/rootfs> rootflags=subvol=root
2024-03-29 15:15:48	cake37	nasmConnoisseur: did you create root.conf yourself? Here's an example loader entry that might help you, but this is not for btrfs. https://paste.rs/tEUO7.txt
2024-03-29 15:15:49	phrik	Title: Source Code | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-03-29 15:16:15	nasmConnoisseur	cake37 see above message
2024-03-29 15:17:44	nasmConnoisseur	This is my very first time using mkinitcpio I was always used to dracut on gentoo
2024-03-29 15:17:57	Metroid	well for me i have: options rd.luks.name=1234=cryptroot root=/dev/mapper/cryptroot rootflags=subvol=@
2024-03-29 15:18:22	Metroid	1234 is the UUID of the encrypted partition (TYPE="crypto_LUKS")
2024-03-29 15:18:34	Metroid	cryptroot refers to /dev/mapper/cryptroot
2024-03-29 15:18:44	nasmConnoisseur	Can't I use the UUID?
2024-03-29 15:18:50	nasmConnoisseur	For root
2024-03-29 15:21:24	nasmConnoisseur	Metroid echo "options rd.luks.name=$(blkid | grep LUKS) root=$(blkid | grep rootfs)" | tee -a /boot/loader/entries/root.conf
2024-03-29 15:21:58	Metroid	^
2024-03-29 15:22:21	nasmConnoisseur	Yes ik Psi-Jack the issue here is that I didn't know how to configure it
2024-03-29 15:22:31	nasmConnoisseur	Please see the message above yours
2024-03-29 15:22:42	nasmConnoisseur	"I know"
2024-03-29 15:22:49	Metroid	idk where you're getting this rootfs from
2024-03-29 15:23:10	nasmConnoisseur	Name of my root file system's label.
2024-03-29 15:25:16	Metroid	have you also added sd-encrypt hook to mkinitcpio.conf ?
2024-03-29 15:25:30	nasmConnoisseur	Is that necessary for me?
2024-03-29 15:25:45	cake37	nasmConnoisseur: if you're used to dracut as you say then why not use dracut?
2024-03-29 15:26:09	Metroid	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#Configuring_mkinitcpio
2024-03-29 15:26:10	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Encrypting an entire system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-29 15:26:26	nasmConnoisseur	Because as I see the default on Arch is mkinitcpio and I'm using this
2024-03-29 15:27:36	Metroid	the confusion that can occur when configuring this, is that you could do in bootloader: cryptdevice= or rd.luks.name depending on what hook you configure
2024-03-29 15:27:56	Metroid	i personally use the sd-encrypt hook hence why my bootloader has rd.luks.name
2024-03-29 15:28:09	Metroid	so check what you have set for hooks
2024-03-29 15:29:17	Metroid	that link i pasted explains it all, <3 the wiki
2024-03-29 15:29:39	nasmConnoisseur	Praise Arch wiki 🙏
2024-03-29 15:29:50	nasmConnoisseur	It helped me even on Gentoo
2024-03-29 15:30:09	ShayKStage	And on NixOS
2024-03-29 15:30:35	nasmConnoisseur	I've also configured UKI
2024-03-29 15:31:42	nasmConnoisseur	Screw it I'm using dracut.
2024-03-29 15:32:10	Metroid	you're literally 99% of the way there
2024-03-29 15:32:51	nasmConnoisseur	It still fails to boot... Now it arrives to "vconsole setup" and it hangs there
2024-03-29 15:33:10	nasmConnoisseur	I don't understand what am I doing wrong
2024-03-29 15:34:24	nasmConnoisseur	I've configured the entry with optipns rd.luks.name=uuidofcryptpartition root=UUID=uuidofroot rootflags=subvol=root Metroid
2024-03-29 15:35:14	nasmConnoisseur	options*
2024-03-29 15:36:01	cake37	rd.luks.uuid if you're going to supply a uuid
2024-03-29 15:36:04	cake37	not name
2024-03-29 15:36:15	Metroid	why not just do root=/dev/mapper/* like the wiki and i use ?
2024-03-29 15:36:42	Metroid	you can use name cake37 
2024-03-29 15:37:08	cake37	Ahh okay ignore what I said then :)
2024-03-29 15:42:21	nullstring	whats the best place on the forum to post about opencl issues?
2024-03-29 15:42:51	cake37	Psi-Jack: I'm gonna have to call my lawyer
2024-03-29 15:43:34	cake37	nullstring: search the forums for opencl and see where most posts were made?
2024-03-29 15:44:37	espresso	Could this be an issue? https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd-cryptsetup-generator.html  : 'rd.luks.name=' is honored only in nitrd, while luks.name= is honored by both the main system and initrd.
2024-03-29 15:44:45	phrik	Title: systemd-cryptsetup-generator (at www.freedesktop.org)
2024-03-29 15:47:10	nasmConnoisseur	Trying that Metroid cake37
2024-03-29 15:47:53	Metroid	https://bpa.st/5MHQ 
2024-03-29 15:47:54	phrik	Title: View paste 5MHQ (at bpa.st)
2024-03-29 15:48:05	Metroid	^ there's all i can give you to try solve this, good luck o/
2024-03-29 15:48:56	cake37	^ <3
2024-03-29 15:50:09	espresso	*@nasmConnoisseur ^
2024-03-29 15:51:41	nullstring	cake37: yeah ok
2024-03-29 15:52:22	nasmConnoisseur	Thx everyone
2024-03-29 15:58:57	snoriman	:# when I have a static site in /somewhere/dist/ and I've changed the owner of `dist` to `http` (same user as nginx is running) what could trigger a permission denied error for nginx?
2024-03-29 15:59:42	Namarrgon	how do you start nginx?
2024-03-29 15:59:52	snoriman	systemctl restart nginx
2024-03-29 15:59:57	Namarrgon	does the service unit have any Protect* options set?
2024-03-29 16:00:37	snoriman	I don't see anything with Protect* in nginx.service
2024-03-29 16:01:03	snoriman	yep one sec
2024-03-29 16:02:00	snoriman	This is what I see in the error log: `2024/03/29 16:01:19 [error] 3503#3503: *5 open() "/somesite/dist/index.html" failed (13: Permission denied)`
2024-03-29 16:02:27	snoriman	NetSysFire: I've ran `nginx -t` which returns no errors/issues
2024-03-29 16:02:58	snoriman	:# how?
2024-03-29 16:03:20	snoriman	the owner is http, user has `rw` permissions
2024-03-29 16:03:45	snoriman	ah! 
2024-03-29 16:04:08	snoriman	ok this is something I don't understand correctly
2024-03-29 16:04:35	snoriman	ah, so `http` must be able to access /somesite too 
2024-03-29 16:04:47	snoriman	that's the issue then
2024-03-29 16:05:11	snoriman	I think I should change my approach then :) 
2024-03-29 16:06:01	snoriman	or change the user of nginx as all sites will be owned by some other user
2024-03-29 16:07:00	snoriman	like: ln -s /somesite/dist /www/, and change permission of /www ?
2024-03-29 16:07:10	Earnestly	-s is a symbolic link
2024-03-29 16:07:11	nullstring	-s isn't hardlink
2024-03-29 16:07:44	nullstring	snoriman: you're trying to have two users have permissions to a folder or what?
2024-03-29 16:07:56	snoriman	no not really
2024-03-29 16:08:00	nullstring	so whats the issue.
2024-03-29 16:08:20	snoriman	I've got a user `/home/someuser` where I cloned some repositories that I want to serve
2024-03-29 16:08:27	nullstring	ok
2024-03-29 16:08:51	snoriman	but, as this is going to be the only user under which I'm going to serve some static sites, I'm going to change the nginx user to `someuser`
2024-03-29 16:09:03	nullstring	no don't do that...
2024-03-29 16:09:05	snoriman	unless ..
2024-03-29 16:09:07	snoriman	hah
2024-03-29 16:09:09	snoriman	haha
2024-03-29 16:09:31	nullstring	why don't you just clone them under the nginx home directory...
2024-03-29 16:09:39	nullstring	or chown -R to the right user
2024-03-29 16:09:58	nullstring	or if you want multiusers, make a group, change to their group, add permissions to that group for all files
2024-03-29 16:10:05	snoriman	yeah I can do that. but what's against changing the nginx user?
2024-03-29 16:10:17	nullstring	cause thats... a weird thing to do..
2024-03-29 16:10:40	snoriman	ok 
2024-03-29 16:10:41	nullstring	it's solving the problem backwards. likely to have unexpected reprocussions
2024-03-29 16:10:49	snoriman	ok makes sense
2024-03-29 16:12:44	snoriman	what about creating /www which is owned by http and put the site there?
2024-03-29 16:13:23	nullstring	yeah why not
2024-03-29 16:13:28	snoriman	ok thanks
2024-03-29 16:13:33	nullstring	I think uh
2024-03-29 16:13:41	nullstring	/srv/http is the uhm.. default location though
2024-03-29 16:13:44	nullstring	so put it there maybe?
2024-03-29 16:14:34	snoriman	ah yeah, that's currently owned by root.
2024-03-29 16:14:49	snoriman	however I think it's 755
2024-03-29 16:15:00	nullstring	and you an put folders in it owned by http
2024-03-29 16:15:46	snoriman	ah yeah, so the http user needs 'x' on the directories so it can traverse them I think?
2024-03-29 16:17:49	nullstring	correct
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2024-03-29 16:39:47	Codebecile	Did someone say something about a kernel bug?
2024-03-29 16:40:46	Namarrgon	no, the kernel has no bugs
2024-03-29 16:41:03	Namarrgon	do you need help with something?
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2024-03-29 16:48:28	xecuter	it existing new bugs? atm cairo dock needs 2GB RAM and bluetooth needs 2GB, too hmmm
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2024-03-29 16:49:44	akik	you're doing it wrong
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2024-03-29 16:49:53	teraflops	huh? 1.9 MiB + 121.5 KiB =   2.0 Miblo bluetoothd
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2024-03-29 16:50:03	teraflops	2GB or 2MB?
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2024-03-29 16:50:26	xecuter	u mean me? GB not MB
2024-03-29 16:50:47	teraflops	not here
2024-03-29 16:51:47	Namarrgon	where do you get these numbers from?
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2024-03-29 17:18:11	Aryan	Should I have this in my .bashrc? https://paste.rs/Zrrso.txt
2024-03-29 17:18:13	phrik	Title: Source Code | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
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2024-03-29 17:18:44	Aryan	i'm using arch, but maybe i copied it from somewhere. idon't remeber
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2024-03-29 17:19:14	Aryan	s/remeber/remember
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2024-03-29 17:20:10	susi	and do you understand what that's for?
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2024-03-29 17:21:18	gehidore	grawity I suppose there's another for EMIYA to repaste? https://paste.rs?
2024-03-29 17:21:19	phrik	Title: Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-03-29 17:21:24	Aryan	I guess it's for debian distro chrooting. i still have no idea
2024-03-29 17:21:41	Aryan	I'm just assuming from it's name
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2024-03-29 17:23:48	Aryan	Can I remove that snippet?
2024-03-29 17:24:06	gehidore	you can do whatever you want, honestly
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2024-03-29 17:28:17	drathir_tor	SysGhost: maybe that "defective core" need some extra care  did You try install amd-ucode mayb just need soe patches ? also check if You dont have enabled in uefi static overclocking for all cores...
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2024-03-29 17:31:06	SysGhost	Tried factory default settings on the motherboard. if it had been the µcode it should've affected all the cores. Not just two?  We did buy a new CPU and it all works now. Just wanted to share the funny behavior.
2024-03-29 17:31:39	rawhide	Aryan, are you blond and blue-eyed?
2024-03-29 17:32:09	Earnestly	https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2024/03/29/4 - Arch Linux should be unaffected by this due to it pulling source from github.com's releases tarball
2024-03-29 17:32:10	phrik	Title: oss-security - backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to ssh server compromise (at www.openwall.com)
2024-03-29 17:32:19	Aryan	rawhide, I wish I was :'(
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2024-03-29 17:32:57	Earnestly	grawity: (Would you mind taking a peak at this short mikrotik script as to why the commented out if statement seems to block progress to the rest of it: https://0x0.st/Xzsz.txt ?)
2024-03-29 17:33:18	Aryan	did you search my name in dictionary too?
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2024-03-29 17:35:43	rawhide	Aryan, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race
2024-03-29 17:35:43	phrik	Title: Aryan race - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2024-03-29 17:35:58	akik	how is that related to arch?
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2024-03-29 17:43:00	noobaroo	It looks like the main page says I no longer need intel-ucode as of 2024-03-04, but the package is still available and updated as of 2024-03-12. 
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2024-03-29 17:43:08	noobaroo	So do I need intel-ucode or not?
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2024-03-29 17:43:44	Tom^	noobaroo: the main page says no such thing
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2024-03-29 17:44:46	noobaroo	Tom^ https://archlinux.org/news/mkinitcpio-hook-migration-and-early-microcode/
2024-03-29 17:44:47	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: mkinitcpio hook migration and early microcode (at archlinux.org)
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2024-03-29 17:46:38	Tom^	noobaroo: " a new microcode hook. This also allows you to drop the microcode initrd lines from your boot configuration"
2024-03-29 17:46:48	Tom^	it doesnt say you can pacman -R intel-ucode
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2024-03-29 17:47:25	noobaroo	Okay, well thanks
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2024-03-29 17:47:44	noobaroo	"This also allows you to drop the microcode initrd lines from your boot configuration as they are now packed together with the main initramfs image" 
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2024-03-29 17:48:40	noobaroo	I read that microcode now "packed together" with the main initramfs image. To me, I interpreted that as pacman package.
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2024-03-29 17:49:23	noobaroo	But I guess when it says "packed together" it means locally on the system from intel-ucode files into initramfs.
2024-03-29 17:49:28	james2410_	I have Dell Inspiron 11 3000, CPU: Intel Pentium(R) CPU N3710 @ 1.60GHz x 4, 8GB DDR3 RAM, 1.5 GB Inted HD Graphics, 64bit os type, I want to install Arch with Hyperland? How will be the performance and what is the alternative?
2024-03-29 17:49:32	noobaroo	It could stand to be a little more clear.
2024-03-29 17:49:33	Scimmia	you realize that the initramfs image is generated on your system?
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2024-03-29 17:50:35	SysGhost	install µcode on the system -> but the mkinitrd hook in the conf -> generate initramfs image -> script that generates image sees the hook and copies the µcode from the system into initramfs image.
2024-03-29 17:50:39	noobaroo	Scimmia my nick might be noobaroo, but yes *facepalm* I know that
2024-03-29 17:50:41	SysGhost	but/put
2024-03-29 17:50:47	teraflops	james2410_: it's ok
2024-03-29 17:51:23	losth1ghway	hi i'm getting an error trying to install pipewire-audio that the pgp signature is invalid
2024-03-29 17:51:37	losth1ghway	 pipewire-audio: signature from "Jan Alexander Steffens (heftig) <jan.steffens@gmail.com>" is invalid
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2024-03-29 17:51:53	Aryan	TIL about lesspipe...
2024-03-29 17:52:01	james2410_	currently i have debian 12 xfce installed, and its running pretty fine without any lag, how lightweight is hyperland compared to xfce?
2024-03-29 17:52:04	Scimmia	losth1ghway: the actual error is before that
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2024-03-29 17:52:19	losth1ghway	ahh thanks
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2024-03-29 17:53:32	james2410_	Psi-Jack: will it run without lag on arch?
2024-03-29 17:53:42	noobaroo	Psi-Jack why do you say "primarily"?
2024-03-29 17:54:04	james2410_	didnt understand?
2024-03-29 17:54:13	alad	why do you want to use arch in the first place
2024-03-29 17:54:14	SysGhost	What's considered "lag" in this case? I bet it will run just fine. But don't expect any impressive performance-boosts.
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2024-03-29 17:54:34	alad	just install hyperland on debian, done
2024-03-29 17:54:54	james2410_	SysGhost: well hyperland has animations and all so lil worried
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2024-03-29 17:55:10	noobaroo	Psi-Jack Yeah, but that's not supported
2024-03-29 17:55:21	Scimmia	james2410_: I doubt you're going to get a lot of poeple that are going to speculate on how smooth an 8 year old budget ultra low power processor is going to be on a specific configuration
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2024-03-29 17:55:47	SysGhost	james2410_: that CPU and its internal GPU has some acceleration so that should do fine.
2024-03-29 17:56:50	james2410_	Scimmia: i understand
2024-03-29 17:56:51	noobaroo	I asked a few days ago to no avail but since different people are in the chat now, does anyone know how I can get intel-compute-runtime to work?
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2024-03-29 17:57:34	noobaroo	Output of `clinfo`: https://0x0.st/Xsg1.txt
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2024-03-29 17:58:40	noobaroo	Someone told me it requires intel microcode to work, that's why I was asking about the microcode thing. (I have the path to intel-ucode in my boot configuration, have for years)
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2024-03-29 17:59:23	noobaroo	I can get opencl-rusticl-mesa to work, and pocl. But not intel-compute-runtime
2024-03-29 17:59:40	SysGhost	james2410_: to get started with it: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/intel_graphics
2024-03-29 17:59:41	phrik	Title: Intel graphics - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-29 18:00:04	noobaroo	Did you mean that for me?
2024-03-29 18:00:08	siak	I am a programmer but ucodes are not tangible for me. What are they where are they.
2024-03-29 18:00:42	noobaroo	For rusticl, there is an environment variable needed to actually enable it. I'm thinking there might be something similar for intel-compute-runtime
2024-03-29 18:00:57	james2410_	i want to use arch finally and im trying to install it right now, ill get back if i need help. anything i should do in the bios before installing?
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2024-03-29 18:01:31	Scimmia	siak: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcode
2024-03-29 18:01:32	phrik	Title: Microcode - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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2024-03-29 18:01:56	BrainDamage	james2410_:if you want to save yourself extra work, do not use secure boot
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2024-03-29 18:03:26	SysGhost	on some intel tablets/ ultra laptops one can't disable secure boot. At least not easily.
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2024-03-29 18:03:36	akik	SysGhost: which one?
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2024-03-29 18:04:38	james2410_	BrainDamage: secureboot disabled, anything else i should keep in mind? sorry guys this is the first time im doing this 
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2024-03-29 18:05:22	SysGhost	Don't remember. Once had one intel tablet once with some ultra low power intel CPU in it. Came with Windows. Could not figure out any way to enter any bios or UEFI setup. During early boot USB was turned off too.
2024-03-29 18:05:26	BrainDamage	everything else should be ok on default
2024-03-29 18:05:41	BrainDamage	you can allways turn it on later, if you want to deploy it
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2024-03-29 18:08:02	SysGhost	akik: some of those intel tablets aren't PC/IBM compatible so there's no early POST stuff/behavior to access. More like Android tablets with some simplified uboot code
2024-03-29 18:08:19	SysGhost	Have no idea what james2410_ has there though
2024-03-29 18:08:29	Earnestly	The biggest threat in my model is my own stupidty, which is why I tend to avoid wholesystem encryption and only encrypt the bits that need to
2024-03-29 18:08:35	xx	Earnestly: are you sure about that? https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/xz/-/commit/2cb78b18b29d987063f4eec1e5ac57898cc76f17 looks like it downloads the release files, not the github-generated files
2024-03-29 18:08:36	phrik	Title: upgpkg: 5.6.1-1: new upstream release (2cb78b18) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / xz · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-03-29 18:08:55	akik	SysGhost: i was thinking it would be in all the news if you couldn't disable secure boot
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2024-03-29 18:09:06	xx	it's only the very latest change on gitlab.archlinux.org that downloads the github-generated files instead
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2024-03-29 18:10:54	SysGhost	akik: not really. There have been complaints on Windows exclusive hardware that has it obscured away or so simplified that there's no way to do it early on. Maybe there are some windows utilities to do it. Imagine if one can't boot it due to some fault.
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2024-03-29 18:11:17	akik	not really? oh yes it would
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2024-03-29 18:11:41	akik	earlier it was in the spec that the user needs to have that choice
2024-03-29 18:11:54	Earnestly	xx: Ah yes, also the person who did it has been committing stuff to xz for 2 years, and bits to linux/bsd
2024-03-29 18:12:12	siak	Scimmia: Aha OS is patching the CPU. If that's the case I understand.
2024-03-29 18:12:16	Earnestly	That said, these days we could just pretty much throw xz away (outside of legacy support)
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2024-03-29 18:12:48	xx	sounds to me like archlinux should release some security announcement too
2024-03-29 18:13:04	xx	because the compromised version has been on people's systems for a while
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2024-03-29 18:13:18	SysGhost	akik: I had a bunch of Dell Windows tablets around 2016 era. We had no way to reinstall nor change the OS once it went corrupt/unbootable. Had no way to disable secure boot to allow it to boot other stuff.
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2024-03-29 18:13:46	xx	don't make this into a conspiracy, but it's curious that the archlinux build was fixed 20 hours ago, did the archlinux maintainer get advance notice?
2024-03-29 18:14:24	akik	SysGhost: return the product because it's defective :)
2024-03-29 18:14:41	wCPO	xx: it was under embargo for a short period, so yes we got a heads-up
2024-03-29 18:14:44	xecuter	ahh i see, cairo dock is sum RAM of other tools, what i starting with it... atm bluetooth "Blueman Applet" RAM usage is ok
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2024-03-29 18:15:13	xx	wCPO: that's what I thought, thanks
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2024-03-29 18:15:42	SysGhost	The fault on them was that they started to load windows. Then they rebooted before finishing boot. Got scrapped from the school where I work. I took a few home and started to look for ways to erase and make em boot something else. I probably could in some way through JTAG...
2024-03-29 18:16:57	xecuter	but hmm i just though cairo dock is just soft link for starting my stuff, but if i close cairo, than all apps will closed, too! :-o
2024-03-29 18:17:02	james2410_	fast boot is enabled, secure boot disabled
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2024-03-29 18:17:34	SysGhost	ah... disable fast boot too if you're going to dual boot
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2024-03-29 18:18:07	SysGhost	fast boot is, iirc, windows way to hibvernate and resume skipping a large portion of POST.
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2024-03-29 18:18:32	james2410_	i dont want dual boot, i want only arch to run on this laptop
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2024-03-29 18:20:35	SysGhost	akik: There was supposed to be some way to disable secure boot from within windows itself. but these tablets didn't have any firmware menus or anything like it. So without the initial Windows install working there wasn't much one could change in terms of settings.
2024-03-29 18:21:21	james2410_	in the boot option, currently i see 4 option, 1. debian 2.3. windows boot manager 4. pop os, why is that?
2024-03-29 18:21:42	SysGhost	old boot entries
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2024-03-29 18:22:06	BrainDamage	those are lingering bootloader files in your efi ESP partition(s)
2024-03-29 18:22:09	SysGhost	they're stored in a special memory area. Even if you erasse the OS, the boot entry might still linger around.
2024-03-29 18:22:30	BrainDamage	you can always delete them manually to cleanup
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2024-03-29 18:24:14	SysGhost	later on, you can use the tool "efibootmgr" to manage the stored boot entries and delete obsolete entries.
2024-03-29 18:24:28	james2410_	SysGhost: thank you
2024-03-29 18:25:10	rascasse	Hi, since today after a system update I have an issue related to nvidia driver I guess. Im developing a gui app using the tauri framework (webview) and when the window open it's blank with `AcceleratedSurfaceDMABuf was unable to construct a complete framebuffer` spamming in the terminal and this in the journal `[drm:drm_new_set_master] *ERROR* [nvidia-drm] [GPU ID 0x00000100] Failed to grab
2024-03-29 18:25:10	rascasse	modeset ownership`
2024-03-29 18:25:20	rascasse	if you want full details I reported the issue to tauri https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/9304 but not sure where the problem is located
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2024-03-29 18:26:47	espresso	rascasse: the closest similiar report I found was https://github.com/clash-verge-rev/clash-verge-rev/issues/752
2024-03-29 18:27:07	rascasse	Hey already checked it, but does not help much
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2024-03-29 18:28:00	james2410_	so im on windows making the pen drive ready for installation with rufus, when i clicked on start its asking for to download something like this. something like this "This image uses Syslinux 6.04/pre2-11-gbf6dbSb4 but this application only includes the installation files for Syslinux 6.04/pre1. As new versions of Syslinux are not compatible with one another, and it wouldn't be possible for Rufus
2024-03-29 18:28:00	james2410_	to include  them all, two additional files must be 
2024-03-29 18:28:01	james2410_	downloaded from the  (Idlinux.sys• and 'Idlinux.bss'): - Select 'Yes' to connect to the Internet and download these  files - Select 'No' to cancel the operation  Note: The files will be downloaded in the current application directory and will be reused automatically if present.
2024-03-29 18:28:14	alad	that is not relevant to arch
2024-03-29 18:28:21	alad	ask in whatever support channels rufus has
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2024-03-29 18:28:37	Namarrgon	james2410_: win32diskimager is much simpler and works
2024-03-29 18:28:50	Namarrgon	it has only two buttons and doesn't support any magic
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2024-03-29 18:28:55	james2410_	ill use balena now
2024-03-29 18:29:03	akik	james2410_: press alt-i once after starting rufus and it'll force itself to dd write mode
2024-03-29 18:29:03	Namarrgon	from bad to worse
2024-03-29 18:29:05	noobaroo	Does anyone know how I can get the latest package from https://registrationcenter-download.intel.com/akdlm/irc_nas/15532 
2024-03-29 18:29:23	noobaroo	I can get https://registrationcenter-download.intel.com/akdlm/irc_nas/15532/18.1.0.015.tgz but it's from 2021
2024-03-29 18:29:34	SysGhost	rufus is overcomplicating it terms of the arch iso. could maybe perhaps work. but ... 
2024-03-29 18:29:48	noobaroo	Is there a way to list all files from the first link?
2024-03-29 18:29:49	andreyv	Earnestly: That doesn't mean there aren't more exploits in the XZ code. The rogue maintainer was added 2 years ago, all releases in this time should be considered compromised.
2024-03-29 18:30:41	james2410_	akik: thanks now not asking
2024-03-29 18:30:56	akik	james2410_: you're not welcome
2024-03-29 18:31:02	SysGhost	james2410_: usually one simply write the iso image straight onto the storage device itself. win32diskimager as Namarrgon mentions should be simple enough to do exactly that.
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2024-03-29 18:32:01	james2410_	you guys have to help me install this time
2024-03-29 18:32:10	rawhide	https://www.phoronix.com/news/XZ-CVE-2024-3094
2024-03-29 18:32:16	alad	no
2024-03-29 18:32:27	alad	there's an install guide, read it
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2024-03-29 18:32:37	james2410_	ive watched lots of videos on youtube and lots of them are so diffrent from others
2024-03-29 18:32:38	Earnestly	andreyv: Yeah I mentioned that which was the basis for my reasoning to throw it away
2024-03-29 18:32:50	alad	none of those videos are supported or accurate
2024-03-29 18:33:08	susi	https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2024/03/29/4
2024-03-29 18:33:09	phrik	Title: oss-security - backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to ssh server compromise (at www.openwall.com)
2024-03-29 18:33:14	alad	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide here
2024-03-29 18:33:15	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-29 18:33:23	SysGhost	james2410_: agreed. videos of people doing it varies a lot. Often not even as recommended.
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2024-03-29 18:33:39	james2410_	thats why im asking for help from the OGs
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2024-03-29 18:35:16	alad	there's a wiki where you can help yourself
2024-03-29 18:35:56	akik	james2410_: use archinstall after booting the iso
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2024-03-29 18:37:01	alad	!glare
2024-03-29 18:37:02	phrik	ಠ_ಠ
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2024-03-29 18:37:21	SysGhost	archinstall should be unborked by now? right?
2024-03-29 18:37:38	akik	ƪ(˘⌣˘)ʃ
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2024-03-29 18:37:46	james2410_	akik: TOO LATE I already selected the first option
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2024-03-29 18:38:44	SysGhost	https://imgflip.com/i/54t3qg
2024-03-29 18:38:46	phrik	Title: A train hitting a school bus - Imgflip (at imgflip.com)
2024-03-29 18:38:49	noobaroo	Can someone help me get opencl to work?
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2024-03-29 18:40:52	alad	SysGhost: I'd wager archinstall is more like the nodding guy with the revolver to his head
2024-03-29 18:41:12	alad	SysGhost: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/093/770/fdd.gif
2024-03-29 18:42:29	KDDLB	uh what's this about xz being backdoored??
2024-03-29 18:42:41	Scimmia	KDDLB: doesn't appear to affect Arch
2024-03-29 18:42:46	KDDLB	ah good
2024-03-29 18:43:16	akik	why is archinstall in the iso if it's fscked?
2024-03-29 18:43:38	SysGhost	akik: wasn't supposed to be borked. 
2024-03-29 18:44:15	SysGhost	Dunno if it's fixed or not. It was borky some time ago though. Haven't checked. 
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2024-03-29 18:49:26	⚡ 	drathir_tor now wonders if grub and FDE issue could be related to https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2024/03/29/4 as well...
2024-03-29 18:49:27	phrik	Title: oss-security - backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to ssh server compromise (at www.openwall.com)
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2024-03-29 18:50:31	Scimmia	drathir_tor: that analysis seems to indicate it affects sshd only
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2024-03-29 18:56:29	Tom^	NetSysFire: ldd $(which sshd) | grep liblzma | grep -o '/[^ ]*'
2024-03-29 18:57:11	drathir_tor	Scimmia: i see good to know... myself still at process of downloading kernel by kernel and checking at which one get mine hang issue introduced... ;D
2024-03-29 18:57:15	Tom^	then that vector is not affected, but who knows what more that crap could do
2024-03-29 18:57:16	susi	what grub and fde issue?
2024-03-29 18:57:17	Tom^	heh
2024-03-29 18:57:39	alad	Tom^: the blurb said systemd is linked to lzma, and systemd in turn starts openssh
2024-03-29 18:57:42	Hawson	People have seen this, I hope?  https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2024/03/29/4
2024-03-29 18:57:43	phrik	Title: oss-security - backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to ssh server compromise (at www.openwall.com)
2024-03-29 18:57:48	drathir_tor	susi: its hang at boot with latest kernel...
2024-03-29 18:57:50	alad	yes you are only the 6th person to mention it today : D
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2024-03-29 18:57:57	Tom^	alad: that was straight from his detect.sh
2024-03-29 18:58:00	Tom^	alad: so idk
2024-03-29 18:58:03	alad	idk
2024-03-29 18:58:04	mpan	alad: and the news just hit the internet!
2024-03-29 18:58:05	Hawson	excellent.  I just joined, so no backlog for me.
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2024-03-29 18:58:12	alad	mpan: : O
2024-03-29 18:58:16	Tom^	alad: https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2024/03/29/4 at the bottom. detect.sh
2024-03-29 18:58:17	phrik	Title: oss-security - backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to ssh server compromise (at www.openwall.com)
2024-03-29 18:58:18	⚡ 	mpan expects a nice evening today on #archlinux.
2024-03-29 18:58:24	alad	mpan: just like my new hardbass tape
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2024-03-29 18:59:03	Ennea	ohh, hardbass! <3
2024-03-29 18:59:34	mpan	Also, for anybody concernet, people in #archlinux* do read wallops. No need to repeat it to them/us, or #a…-security. :)
2024-03-29 18:59:39	mpan	concerned* even
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2024-03-29 19:01:31	Scimmia	alad: no, the blurb said that patched openssh instances pull in libsystemd, which pulls in liblzma
2024-03-29 19:01:52	Scimmia	it has nothing to do with systemd starting openssh
2024-03-29 19:02:29	felixonmars	lennart just said that libselinux would also pull in liblzma and a lot others
2024-03-29 19:03:05	Scimmia	sure, but that analysis says that it checks and only affects sshd
2024-03-29 19:03:25	Scimmia	whether that analysis is complete, who knows
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2024-03-29 19:06:01	Scimmia	right now, all indications are that Arch isn't affected. That could change, but for now, no need to panic
2024-03-29 19:06:36	Scimmia	sounds like a good idea. And topic
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2024-03-29 19:08:51	felixonmars	the script seems to exit without output anything on arch because of set -e though :p
2024-03-29 19:08:59	Hawson	^this
2024-03-29 19:09:06	llua	the gift that keeps on giving
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2024-03-29 19:10:40	xecuter	now i just waited and did nothing. at the booting Blueman applet needed 50mb, now Blueman Applet needs ~370MB RAM and 6,2%CPU 
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2024-03-29 19:11:25	xecuter	if i look task line - bluetooth - deactivated ! \o(
2024-03-29 19:12:03	drathir_tor	xecuter: maybe process just throw some errors...
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2024-03-29 19:12:09	ayjay_t	arch says resolved?
2024-03-29 19:12:20	xecuter	it existing a command for checking blueman applet, that i can see ahh that and that making problems?
2024-03-29 19:12:28	ayjay_t	https://security.archlinux.org/package/xz the CVE is listed as resolved in our package manager
2024-03-29 19:12:30	phrik	Title: xz - Arch Linux (at security.archlinux.org)
2024-03-29 19:12:45	xecuter	drathir_tor:  do you have some hints?
2024-03-29 19:13:02	phrik	NetSysFire: Bazinga!
2024-03-29 19:13:19	ayjay_t	i saw your post NetSYsFire
2024-03-29 19:13:25	ayjay_t	but when was it fixed?
2024-03-29 19:13:30	SysGhost	NetSysFire: "We heard of it and we're immune! Next!"
2024-03-29 19:13:32	ayjay_t	like, si this a "its fixed if you pdate today" thing
2024-03-29 19:13:35	drathir_tor	xecuter: You can use htop and strace on applet process could show some clues... however that just a guess...
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2024-03-29 19:14:33	xecuter	drathir_tor: atm i am using plasma-systemmonitor
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2024-03-29 19:15:42	drathir_tor	xecuter: in theory it could be any tool which able to strace into process...
2024-03-29 19:16:04	xecuter	drathir_tor: with htop is see #1:  blueman-tray needs 90%CPU and 0,1%RAM
2024-03-29 19:16:13	mpan	NetSysFire++
2024-03-29 19:16:43	xecuter	drathir_tor: i should remove package: blueman?
2024-03-29 19:17:38	Trel	Can someone who knows for sure they have Okular installed with everything they need check if print preview works?
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2024-03-29 19:17:49	xecuter	drathir_tor:  now i have removed blueman. no longer high cpu/ram usage. and air cooler is slower
2024-03-29 19:18:14	ayjay_t	that scriped behaved weirdly for me on top of that my sshd doesn't link to liblzma i had to modify it
2024-03-29 19:18:35	xecuter	drathir_tor: and in task line i can starting bluetooth without problems
2024-03-29 19:18:37	drathir_tor	xecuter: just strace into process "s" button and check what its throw... it could probably just get some networking conflicts (still just guess)....
2024-03-29 19:19:21	ayjay_t	it looks like arch's newest update on 6.8.1 doesn't even link sshd to liblzma NetSysFire so that script wont work
2024-03-29 19:19:26	xecuter	hmm networking conflicts because pihole or internal problem?
2024-03-29 19:19:38	xecuter	now it is removed, problem solved :D
2024-03-29 19:19:46	ayjay_t	but NetSysFire the script also asked to _echo_ that failure to find, which it doesn't do for me
2024-03-29 19:20:06	xecuter	cpu usage  (complete) 1%
2024-03-29 19:20:09	ayjay_t	and NetSysFire just because sshd doesn't link to liblzma doesn't mean that we shouldn't check if the compromised library isn't present 
2024-03-29 19:20:31	ayjay_t	or advise other people that use arch?
2024-03-29 19:20:40	ayjay_t	NetSysFire: (yeah that failure isn't obvious to me i would have imagined that the string would just be "")
2024-03-29 19:21:11	ayjay_t	let me take a looksy
2024-03-29 19:21:22	siak	Look inside the sctipt and use the command for all suspecious files.
2024-03-29 19:21:53	drathir_tor	xecuter: networking guess was bc in past get similar issue with elevated resources usage and was connected with networking/dhcp collide...
2024-03-29 19:23:01	siak	NetSysFire: What?
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2024-03-29 19:23:35	siak	So?
2024-03-29 19:23:48	Tom^	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/xz/-/commit/881385757abdc39d3cfea1c3e34ec09f637424ad would be interesting to check before this change :p
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2024-03-29 19:23:50	phrik	Title: upgpkg: 5.6.1-2 (88138575) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / xz · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-03-29 19:24:45	Scimmia	siak: yes, the malicious code was likely there before, but dormant
2024-03-29 19:26:18	Scimmia	The information we have at this point says Arch was never actually affected 
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2024-03-29 19:28:46	ayjay_t	https://termbin.com/zpso <--- same script, a little more thorough
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2024-03-29 19:29:08	Trel	I was reading the cve and it said it was only in the release powerballs so if Arch built it from git it wouldn't have the issue if I'm reading this right.
2024-03-29 19:29:25	Trel	*tarballs
2024-03-29 19:29:32	Trel	voice to text sorry
2024-03-29 19:29:34	ayjay_t	what a lottery, amiright
2024-03-29 19:29:37	Scimmia	Arch just switched to git
2024-03-29 19:29:40	Tom^	arch was 21 hours ago tho :p
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2024-03-29 19:30:29	ayjay_t	oh i get it that command fails if the midle grep doesn't output stdout to the 3rd greps stdin
2024-03-29 19:30:36	ayjay_t	i was like why does it fail silently
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2024-03-29 19:31:14	susi	because set -e, which was already explained
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2024-03-29 19:32:39	siak	I did not understand how the build pipeline was modified to use data in test files as the source for injection.
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2024-03-29 19:34:56	mpan	siak: since Arch seems unaffected, this probably is better discussed in #security. They will explain.
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2024-03-29 19:37:41	xx	NetSysFire: the xz project has a channel on libera
2024-03-29 19:39:15	the-pete	yeah, a few people have hopped in there and started asking about it.
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2024-03-29 19:39:36	the-pete	no response really.  And if this is an actual backdoor, the committer will just vanish
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2024-03-29 19:40:48	the-pete	what would the purpose of that be?  So a bunch of people with no idea what's going on can go spam a project that is probably mostly as in the dark as everyone else?
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2024-03-29 19:42:29	the-pete	tukaani
2024-03-29 19:42:32	mpan	(3) that was in the context of a person wanting to understand how the attackers injected the code, not just general blah-blah.
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2024-03-29 19:53:21	ayjay_t	so the script will say that our version of xz are not compromised but arch says a fix was released today
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2024-03-29 19:54:24	mefistofeles	mpan: sorry to bring back the topic, why is arch unaffected? Or how do we know?
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2024-03-29 19:54:49	rawktucc	mefistofeles, see https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/xz/-/issues/2
2024-03-29 19:54:50	phrik	Title: Backdoor found in xz 5.6.1 (#2) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / xz · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-03-29 19:54:56	rawktucc	This backdoor is insane
2024-03-29 19:55:15	ayjay_t	mefistofeles: yeah because it was intentionally disabled for arch
2024-03-29 19:55:23	ayjay_t	that said, here is arch's fix: https://security.archlinux.org/AVG-2851, released today
2024-03-29 19:55:29	mpan	mefistofeles: because Arch doesn’t link to it.
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2024-03-29 19:55:51	ayjay_t	that too huh
2024-03-29 19:55:53	mpan	mefistofeles: either case, if you are updating system, you are likely already having the fixed version.
2024-03-29 19:56:02	ayjay_t	like, today tho
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2024-03-29 19:56:31	mefistofeles	mpan: ok gotcha, thanks
2024-03-29 19:56:32	causasui	Lol I was just coming here to ask if I'm affected, looks like probably every distro is?
2024-03-29 19:56:35	mefistofeles	ayjay_t: you too, thanks
2024-03-29 19:56:41	mpan	causasui: no.
2024-03-29 19:57:03	causasui	ok, I will shut up until I have read more scrollback
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2024-03-29 19:57:08	mpan	causasui: update to 5.6.1-2 to be sure, but from all we know Arch isn’t affected
2024-03-29 19:57:26	mpan	causasui: tl;dr, sshd in Arch doesn’t link to it.
2024-03-29 19:57:37	causasui	copy that, tyvm
2024-03-29 19:57:52	mpan	And of course observe. But no reason to panic. :)
2024-03-29 19:58:11	ayjay_t	mpan: FYI i've also read that the attacker intentionally disabled it during builds for arch, as the attack was being injected during package-time
2024-03-29 19:58:37	mefistofeles	how could such a thing happen? Is it known?
2024-03-29 19:58:46	⚡ 	mefistofeles moves to #scurity
2024-03-29 19:58:49	mefistofeles	or #security even
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2024-03-29 19:59:35	mpan	ayjay_t: the attack was executed within GitHub pipeline and affected all xz versions downloaded from releases (not repo). So the code itself did end in Arch. But it wasn’t used by sshd.
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2024-03-29 19:59:59	mpan	5.6.1-2 builds directly from the repo, not from the release archives.
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2024-03-29 20:00:41	ayjay_t	mpan https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2024/03/29/4, search "These conditions include targeting", that's where I got my understanding
2024-03-29 20:00:42	phrik	Title: oss-security - backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to ssh server compromise (at www.openwall.com)
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2024-03-29 20:01:30	mpan	ayjay_t: probably to make sure the paylod is going to be silently executed. And it targets architectures, not particular distros.
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2024-03-29 20:01:45	B-|	archbros what's happening
2024-03-29 20:02:05	ayjay_t	mpan: if you start from that search line, the first condition is arch, the second condition is buildtool, the third condition is distro
2024-03-29 20:02:09	mpan	ayjay_t: unless the Debian part affects it, but then dunno.
2024-03-29 20:02:11	teraflops	B-|: phrik got married
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2024-03-29 20:02:55	mpan	B-|: here, drink to the happy marriage.
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2024-03-29 20:04:02	Arsimael	Completely different question. Dows anyone experienced a bug where gnome is missing Applications, but shows the .desktop file when searching it in the dashboard?
2024-03-29 20:04:06	mpan	ayjay_t: Arch being unaffected relies entirely on Arch not linking to the compromised code in sshd. Analysis of how the attack was performed isn’t neccessary.
2024-03-29 20:04:11	Arsimael	*Does
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2024-03-29 20:05:08	ayjay_t	mpan: thats an interesting opinion, obviously a different opinion from the researcher who reported the bug
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2024-03-29 20:06:16	ayjay_t	but it makes no sense for me to argue on behalf of said researcher
2024-03-29 20:06:59	mpan	ayjay_t: I am not arguing against what is written there. I explain why it’s known Arch is unaffected regardless of the original report’s content.
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2024-03-29 20:07:06	teraflops	ayjay_t: there is #archlinux-security which seems to be more suitable for your opinions
2024-03-29 20:07:52	B-|	it's over xisters
2024-03-29 20:08:05	rawktucc	i've been lzma'd and cooked!
2024-03-29 20:08:07	ayjay_t	teraflops: what opinion
2024-03-29 20:08:26	teraflops	whatever you have been saying for almost half an hour?
2024-03-29 20:08:36	B-|	where can i read more about how this affects us
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2024-03-29 20:08:42	ayjay_t	i've jsut been posting links to information about this as it relates to arch
2024-03-29 20:08:49	mpan	ayjay_t: and to be clear I say that based on the script provided there, so it would be even more absurd to suspect I argue.
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2024-03-29 20:09:51	ayjay_t	Psi-Jack: literally right off the arch website some of my links lol
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2024-03-29 20:10:46	peter77	its on arch's website news need to upgrade xz to 5.6.1-2
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2024-03-29 20:16:54	yitz	Yeah. The email says arch is likely not impacted directly
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2024-03-29 20:18:44	teraflops	ayjay_t: not my intention to be rude, I apologize, just pointing to a more suitable place
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2024-03-29 20:23:36	B-|	it's over xisters
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2024-03-29 20:27:03	madprops	i ran into some dependency issue
2024-03-29 20:27:05	madprops	https://bpa.st/JO7A
2024-03-29 20:27:06	phrik	Title: View paste JO7A (at bpa.st)
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2024-03-29 20:27:41	Namarrgon	why are you ignoring that package?
2024-03-29 20:27:49	madprops	i don't remember ignoring the package
2024-03-29 20:28:05	Namarrgon	then remove it from IgnorePkg
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2024-03-29 20:29:35	madprops	IgnorePkg is empty (commented) in /etc/pacman.conf
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2024-03-29 20:30:37	madprops	but i have this
2024-03-29 20:30:38	madprops	HoldPkg     = pacman glibc
2024-03-29 20:30:50	Namarrgon	post the full pacman output
2024-03-29 20:31:07	Namarrgon	HoldPkg only makes pacman explicitly ask again
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2024-03-29 20:31:30	HuntsMan	madprops: IgnorePkg and HoldPkg are not the same thing
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2024-03-29 20:31:56	madprops	https://bpa.st/VS6Q
2024-03-29 20:31:57	phrik	Title: View paste VS6Q (at bpa.st)
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2024-03-29 20:32:20	espresso	f pacman.conf had something like Include=/etc/pacman.d/ignore-packages.conf that might be worth looking into..
2024-03-29 20:33:01	Namarrgon	madprops: post your pacman.conf
2024-03-29 20:33:08	astralc	why you still have community? it is empty now anyway. but it is not the issue
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2024-03-29 20:33:34	Namarrgon	espresso: doesn't it already?
2024-03-29 20:33:36	madprops	https://bpa.st/E5GQ
2024-03-29 20:33:37	phrik	Title: View paste E5GQ (at bpa.st)
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2024-03-29 20:35:24	astralc	you are using `pacman -Syu` specifically?
2024-03-29 20:35:31	astralc	not aur wrapper
2024-03-29 20:35:36	madprops	ah yes, im using yay
2024-03-29 20:37:38	madprops	it works with pacman
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2024-03-29 20:39:02	madprops	maybe i should stop using yay for system upgrades
2024-03-29 20:39:08	madprops	limit it to aur stuff
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2024-03-29 20:40:05	gehidore	probably a good idea
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2024-03-29 20:50:08	Strykar	https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2024/03/29/4
2024-03-29 20:50:09	phrik	Title: oss-security - backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to ssh server compromise (at www.openwall.com)
2024-03-29 20:50:35	the-pete	yeah, the notice already went out to the mailing list
2024-03-29 20:50:36	mpan	Strykar: yes, Arch likely unaffected; to be sure update to 5.6.1-2 if you didnd’t yet somehow.
2024-03-29 20:50:36	another|	heh. by pure coincidence, I updated my system this morning
2024-03-29 20:52:12	the-pete	coincidence? we're all here because we want those sweet package updates 3x / day =)
2024-03-29 20:52:45	causasui	mpan: maybe phrik can post a FAQ on this whenever that link is posted xD
2024-03-29 20:52:51	mpan	What some of you might’ve missed tho, is that there is also an ISO release.
2024-03-29 20:52:55	causasui	not to shame anyone posting it, it's a huge deal
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2024-03-29 20:53:16	mpan	causasui: nah; experience shows this kind of news dies out as quickly as it appeared, withing 24 h. Plus some single instances for the next few weeks. ;)
2024-03-29 20:53:26	causasui	alright
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2024-03-29 20:54:16	matjam	just run pacman -Syu in cron hourly, its fine
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2024-03-29 20:54:51	matjam	--noconfirm
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2024-03-29 20:55:31	teraflops	yeah and smoke cigarettes 
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2024-03-29 20:56:10	matjam	and ride motorcycles
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2024-03-29 20:56:39	matjam	oops thought this was -ot
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2024-03-29 20:58:30	terzievk	flatpak uses 15gb on my disk and I don't use it "intentionally". I checked with `pacman -Sii` and it's required by [flatpak-builder  flatpak-kcm  gnome-builder-flatpak  malcontent  pantheon-sideload  switchboard-plug-applications  switchboard-plug-parental-controls  toolbox] none of which are required by anything(except malcontent - gnome-initial-setup). So... will I fuck myself if I delete
2024-03-29 20:58:30	terzievk	flatpak and dependancies?
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2024-03-29 21:04:29	teraflops	terzievk: https://paste.priet.us/dphk/
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2024-03-29 21:09:39	greyltc	what's the nature of the backdoor?
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2024-03-29 21:11:12	terzievk	teraflops:  I might go for deleting gnome-builder as well... My /var/lib/flatpak is 15gb
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2024-03-29 21:11:30	teraflops	terzievk: I run pactree -r flatpack
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2024-03-29 21:12:52	greyltc	holy shit, it touches openssh server
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2024-03-29 21:13:24	teraflops	hmm my /var/lib/flatpak is 200MB
2024-03-29 21:15:09	susi	greyltc: https://gist.github.com/thesamesam/223949d5a074ebc3dce9ee78baad9e27
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2024-03-29 21:17:18	terzievk	teraflops:  idk/idc why mine was 15 gb... Deleted flatpak and rm -rf -ed /var/lib/flatpak yolo style
2024-03-29 21:17:39	teraflops	heh
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2024-03-29 21:18:27	greyltc	susi, so my systems have all had an openssh backdoor between Feb 24, 2024 and March 29, 2024?
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2024-03-29 21:18:45	susi	don't ask me
2024-03-29 21:18:56	yitz	Potentially. 
2024-03-29 21:19:20	yitz	If you're running a stock, simple Arch setup, it sounds like the probability is not very high, though.
2024-03-29 21:19:29	greyltc	holy shit
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2024-03-29 21:20:20	greyltc	does the malicious code contain telemetry to report where my openssh servers are running?
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2024-03-29 21:21:53	terzievk	teraflops:  the roboot was a success xd
2024-03-29 21:21:58	terzievk	reboot*
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2024-03-29 21:23:42	susi	terzievk: how did you check the size? 
2024-03-29 21:24:39	teraflops	I used gdu
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2024-03-29 21:25:17	terzievk	susi:  I noticed it with gnome's disk usage application and double checked with `du -h`
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2024-03-29 21:28:06	teraflops	terzievk: if pacman lets you uninstall it there no risk I guess
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2024-03-29 21:28:31	teraflops	just the optional deps that make use of it will loose that functionality
2024-03-29 21:28:38	susi	terzievk: du also has --apparent-size because files may be sparse
2024-03-29 21:28:49	greyltc	the exploit only exposes the build machines and not systems running the installed exploited packages?
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2024-03-29 21:31:33	terzievk	susi:  didn't even know that was a thing
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2024-03-29 21:35:46	ectospasm	It looks like the xz exploit requires argv[0] to be /usr/sbin/sshd, which isn't the case in Arch.  See the openwall link above for details.
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2024-03-29 21:36:35	tijko	Did Arch make a complete transfer to Gitlab?
2024-03-29 21:37:07	greyltc	ectospasm: this faq (https://gist.github.com/thesamesam/223949d5a074ebc3dce9ee78baad9e27) linked above by susi, also says it may only triggered by rpm or deb package builds
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2024-03-29 21:39:44	tijko	I was looking at the "recent news" on Archlinux.org 
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2024-03-29 21:39:55	tijko	Wasn't sure what the history is there.
2024-03-29 21:40:28	tijko	Thinking about switching over completely too but Octocat is quite the hit that they "bought" the rights to him.
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2024-03-29 21:42:59	ectospasm	Psi-Jack: check `systemctl cat sshd.service`, you'll see /usr/bin, not /usr/sbin is referenced
2024-03-29 21:43:37	ectospasm	So even though there's a symlink to sbin, it shouldn't be called that way 
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2024-03-29 21:44:18	ectospasm	Unless the malicious code is smarter than that, I'm still reading the thread 
2024-03-29 21:44:45	Namarrgon	did you restore this from a backup?
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2024-03-29 21:46:15	nshp	Psi-Jack: ls -l /usr/sbin
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2024-03-29 21:46:16	Namarrgon	/bin /sbin and /usr/sbin are symlinks to /usr/bin
2024-03-29 21:46:18	nshp	:p
2024-03-29 21:46:21	ℹ 	al_ is now known as al
2024-03-29 21:46:30	nshp	it's not a hardlink, you're looking at the same thing!
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2024-03-29 21:47:11	yitz	Arch has one bin dir :D 
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2024-03-29 21:47:20	omnigoat	About the xz thing, everyone is going on about sshd, and fair enough, but if it's in liblzma then wouldn't I trigger it anytime I use xz from the cli or anytime I use anything that uses the lib, which I assume is everything?
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2024-03-29 21:48:32	omnigoat	well, everything as in a lot of software
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2024-03-29 21:49:03	greyltc	omnigoat: I'm trying to understand if the exploit impacts only the build of XZ, or if it also poisons the xz bins that are built
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2024-03-29 21:51:06	omnigoat	by the former you mean that it would only impact whoever is building the bins?
2024-03-29 21:51:10	Vorpal	Speaking of the xz thing, I'm wondering about scanning for mismatching tarballs and git tags in general. I have an idea, but it involves fetching all PKGBUILDs (or more accurately, .SRCINFO) for all of Arch core/extra. I don't want to spam the gitlab server. Any way I can do this nicely? E.g. some sort of API or API dump instead?
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2024-03-29 21:52:24	greyltc	omnigoat: yeah (of course if a build machine is completely is compromised then anything it builds could be as well)
2024-03-29 21:52:37	Namarrgon	Vorpal: you can git clone the repo
2024-03-29 21:53:04	Vorpal	Namarrgon: yes but there is one repo for each package these days, and I don't want to get blacklisted from cloning *all of them*.
2024-03-29 21:53:19	Vorpal	this would have been easier with the monolithic core/extra of yore
2024-03-29 21:53:21	omnigoat	greyltc: i think it's the latter 
2024-03-29 21:54:24	greyltc	omnigoat: seems like it, yeah
2024-03-29 21:54:46	Vorpal	Namarrgon: basically my idea is to find all packages that come from github (or gitlab or other forges) and then compare the tarballs arch downloads with the corresponding tags from the repos.
2024-03-29 21:55:17	Namarrgon	Vorpal: i'm not sure what you'll find that way
2024-03-29 21:55:18	omnigoat	but it seems odd everyone is only mentioning sshd
2024-03-29 21:55:50	Vorpal	Namarrgon: possibly other compromised packages, apart from just xz? Hopefully nothing though
2024-03-29 21:55:59	greyltc	i'm pretty happy all my sshds are behind wireguard these days
2024-03-29 21:56:11	Namarrgon	Vorpal: how would you know what is compromised that way?
2024-03-29 21:56:21	greyltc	if this would have been a few years ago, i might have been in trouble
2024-03-29 21:56:52	omnigoat	just as an example, every browser out there must be using this lib, right?
2024-03-29 21:57:20	omnigoat	all the different backup tools
2024-03-29 21:57:23	omnigoat	etc etc etc etc
2024-03-29 21:57:32	Vorpal	Namarrgon: in the xz case the tarball didn't match the contents of the repo. That is a red flag. Hopefully that is rare. Could there be non-malicious cases that strip out e.g. the github CI files? Yes. So some manual triaging of the results are needed. Perhaps even automated filtering.
2024-03-29 21:57:45	greyltc	omnigoat: most stuff is not running builds this new (we hope the exploit only hit the source in february)
2024-03-29 21:57:55	Namarrgon	Vorpal: what do you mean by "it didn't match the repo"?
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2024-03-29 21:58:04	Vorpal	will it find other compromised packages where everything is checked in? No. But halting problem makes this impossible
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2024-03-29 21:58:31	omnigoat	greyltc: there is that. still, pretty sure I've been running just the cli utilities alone plenty since feb
2024-03-29 21:59:05	Vorpal	Namarrgon: According to https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2024/03/29/4 in the case of xz, the released tarball contained a modified .m4 build script, not checked into the xz repo. That hid the trigger to the backdoor.
2024-03-29 21:59:06	phrik	Title: oss-security - backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to ssh server compromise (at www.openwall.com)
2024-03-29 21:59:47	Namarrgon	Vorpal: but the PKGBUILD was using the tarball, which matched the one from upstream because that's where it came from
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2024-03-29 22:00:25	Vorpal	Namarrgon: exactly. So you download the tarball as makepkg would do, then you checkout the corresponding git tag from github. If they don't match you got a potential problem
2024-03-29 22:00:49	Vorpal	from the release you can find the tag (either by web scraping or via github API)
2024-03-29 22:01:00	Vorpal	and then you just do a shallow clone
2024-03-29 22:01:02	BrainDamage	many tarballs are themselves intermediate artifacts that are not mere git mirrors
2024-03-29 22:01:02	mpan	omnigoat: because the exploit explicitly tests if it’s running in sshd.
2024-03-29 22:01:17	greyltc	omnigoat: yeah, i mean if you have sshd that's open to the internet, it seems you should be worried
2024-03-29 22:01:28	BrainDamage	so a simple naive comparison won't work
2024-03-29 22:01:30	Namarrgon	Vorpal: it's not uncommon that the tarballs are different from the vcs repo. what do you check?
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2024-03-29 22:02:04	BrainDamage	moreover, that tarball was signed, with a trusted key
2024-03-29 22:02:56	Vorpal	Namarrgon: BrainDamage: Hm. I wonder in which way they are different. Some obvious ones including filtering out github specific files (.github for actions). Then there is the whole autotools thing. You could perhaps run autoreconf in a container and compare.
2024-03-29 22:03:31	Vorpal	BrainDamage: yes, I don't see how the gpg signature is relevant here for my proposed scanning approach
2024-03-29 22:03:41	BrainDamage	depends on the project
2024-03-29 22:03:56	BrainDamage	some the changes are trivial, other there's large amount of code generation
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2024-03-29 22:04:45	Vorpal	I would say that the code gen should happen at build time, not release-tar-ball-creation time, but presumably that is not always the case (especially with autotools).
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2024-03-29 22:05:20	Namarrgon	CI, tests, docs, etc are often stripped out or split out into separate tarballs
2024-03-29 22:05:30	Namarrgon	and all the git metadata
2024-03-29 22:05:59	Vorpal	Namarrgon: I'm less worried about whole files being stripped out than additions or modifications.
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2024-03-29 22:06:17	Vorpal	I wouldn't expect cmake or meson based projects to use code gen at release-tar-ball-time either.
2024-03-29 22:06:26	ZLima12	The last note on the changelog for 5.6.0 is ominous: https://github.com/tukaani-project/xz/releases/tag/v5.6.0
2024-03-29 22:06:27	Vorpal	That seems more like an autotools problem
2024-03-29 22:06:30	ZLima12	"Added a few tests"
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2024-03-29 22:07:32	pobrn	Hi, which one has the supported docker images? https://hub.docker.com/_/archlinux or https://hub.docker.com/r/archlinux/archlinux ? the first one does not seem to have been updated with respect to https://archlinux.org/news/the-xz-package-has-been-backdoored/
2024-03-29 22:07:34	phrik	Title: Docker (at hub.docker.com)
2024-03-29 22:07:43	greyltc	here's the funniest detail I've seen in all this: https://github.com/tukaani-project/xz-java/blob/master/.github/SECURITY.md
2024-03-29 22:07:47	omnigoat	mpan: did you see if it was confirmed that it's dormant otherwise? 
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2024-03-29 22:08:05	mpan	omnigoat: it checks argv[0] for being “/usr/bin/sshd”.
2024-03-29 22:08:09	greyltc	That was generated yesterday by the save dev that pushed the exploit
2024-03-29 22:08:17	omnigoat	then I guess it's safe to assume so
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2024-03-29 22:08:31	omnigoat	mpan: thanks
2024-03-29 22:08:35	mpan	omnigoat: this doesn’t mean there isn’t any other surprises, but based on the information now available sshd is being targeted.
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2024-03-29 22:08:41	omnigoat	yup
2024-03-29 22:08:41	greyltc	"don't go public with security flaws you find, contact me instead" :-P
2024-03-29 22:09:17	ZLima12	greyltc: the comments on it are good: https://github.com/tukaani-project/xz-java/commit/9f00c1d736e07390846f17e538eb854a3e5cede2#comments
2024-03-29 22:09:43	greyltc	lol
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2024-03-29 22:11:33	SysGhost	Security through obscurity. The way of Microsoft! Proven to work! ( ^ . ^ )b
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2024-03-29 22:11:49	quaff	damn. this has been a fun way of spending my saturday afternoon haha 
2024-03-29 22:12:32	ZLima12	Rip to the people who lost their long weekend
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2024-03-29 22:13:50	teraflops	eh I'm on shift :(
2024-03-29 22:13:57	orbita	Praying for the IT guys in the office rn. I'm sure they're thankfil we have mostly windows servers. 
2024-03-29 22:14:28	jootoi	doupt any production servers have this recent versions anyway
2024-03-29 22:14:41	ZLima12	True
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2024-03-29 22:14:55	ZLima12	Looks like it got caught in about a month
2024-03-29 22:15:03	Vorpal	orbita: I checked, debian & raspbian stable are on old versions not affected. I wouldn't be surprised if the same is true for ubuntu and redhat
2024-03-29 22:15:15	Vorpal	testing versions would likely be affected
2024-03-29 22:15:25	teraflops	I even checked macos
2024-03-29 22:15:48	quaff	ZLima12, speaking of long weekend. I said Saturday.. I meant friday.. yay long weekend
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2024-03-29 22:16:03	Vorpal	and arch got away for a bunch of reasons: 1) check for building rpm/deb 2) lzma not used by sshd on arch 3) sshd not in sbin
2024-03-29 22:16:37	quaff	we do have a /usr/bin/lzma... that doesn't do anything?
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2024-03-29 22:17:22	ZLima12	https://github.com/tukaani-project/xz/commit/af071ef7702debef4f1d324616a0137a5001c14c
2024-03-29 22:17:30	ZLima12	For anyone who wants to join in
2024-03-29 22:17:35	allypost	Anyone else have problems with extra repo recently? It gets to ~50% and then fails to download entirely
2024-03-29 22:17:43	Vorpal	quaff: not that we know of, but no one knows for sure yet
2024-03-29 22:17:59	Vorpal	quaff: but again, the payload isn't included unless building rpm/deb
2024-03-29 22:18:22	quaff	Vorpal, I wait with bated breath
2024-03-29 22:18:30	teraflops	allypost: tried changing the mirror? are you doing -Syu?
2024-03-29 22:18:50	quaff	Vorpal, here's hoping it stays that way (for our sakes). 
2024-03-29 22:19:00	Vorpal	quaff: could there be more issues in there? Sure. But this specific backdoor we seem to be unaffected by
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2024-03-29 22:20:53	greyltc	looks like XZ has been in a sad state for a while[1], maybe this is why a bad actor would have targeted it for infiltration (that and it being run everywhere) [1]: https://www.mail-archive.com/xz-devel@tukaani.org/msg00566.html
2024-03-29 22:20:54	phrik	Title: Re: [xz-devel] XZ for Java (at www.mail-archive.com)
2024-03-29 22:21:13	allypost	teraflops: Yea I also did rate-mirrors. Updates were with yay -Syy
2024-03-29 22:21:41	teraflops	tried just pacman -Syu?
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2024-03-29 22:23:08	ZLima12	yeah, using two y's for no reason just wastes bandwidth and does nothing
2024-03-29 22:23:37	quaff	Vorpal, just saw an update added to https://gist.github.com/thesamesam/223949d5a074ebc3dce9ee78baad9e27
2024-03-29 22:24:10	quaff	Good thing rolling releases mean fast patches?
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2024-03-29 22:28:20	quaff	https://xeiaso.net/notes/2024/xz-vuln/
2024-03-29 22:28:21	phrik	Title: liblzma and xz version 5.6.0 and 5.6.1 are vulnerable to arbitrary code execution compromise - Xe Iaso (at xeiaso.net)
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2024-03-29 22:28:36	quaff	Suggests downgrading to 5.4.6
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2024-03-29 22:30:14	greyltc	"libarchive should also be considered compromised until proven otherwise." https://boehs.org/node/everything-i-know-about-the-xz-backdoor
2024-03-29 22:30:15	phrik	Title: Everything I know about the XZ backdoor (at boehs.org)
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2024-03-29 22:36:16	Milos	If ldd $(which sshd) | grep liblzm is blank, does that mean not vulnerable?
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2024-03-29 22:37:03	BrainDamage	correct
2024-03-29 22:37:20	BrainDamage	arch's sshd package is not vulnerable
2024-03-29 22:37:27	Milos	nice, why is that the case?
2024-03-29 22:37:38	BrainDamage	but better to err on the side of caution
2024-03-29 22:38:21	quaff	I've downgraded my xz to 1.4.6. Just in case. 
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2024-03-29 22:39:04	BrainDamage	normally liblzma is not included by sshd, but some distros get it in an indirect way, see https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2024/03/29/4 and various news poasts
2024-03-29 22:39:05	phrik	Title: oss-security - backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to ssh server compromise (at www.openwall.com)
2024-03-29 22:39:39	Milos	yeah, I see in sam's post that vanilla opensshd doesn't link against it
2024-03-29 22:39:59	xx	I don't get why people are so comfortable running `ldd` on a compromised executable...
2024-03-29 22:40:22	kevr	because ldd just reads out some stuff?
2024-03-29 22:40:30	xx	kevr: read the first part of the manpage
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2024-03-29 22:40:41	xx	"you should never employ ldd on an untrusted executable, since this may result in the execution of arbitrary code"
2024-03-29 22:40:44	kevr	xx: but there are containers, virtual machines, ...
2024-03-29 22:41:14	xx	do you think that's what people end up using? Most will just hear "run this script to check if you're vulnerable" and won't even read the script themselves
2024-03-29 22:41:17	Milos	xx, I didn't know this, thanks for the heads up
2024-03-29 22:41:20	kevr	true
2024-03-29 22:41:22	BrainDamage	xx: the specific exploit also only targets sshd
2024-03-29 22:41:26	kevr	TIL as well
2024-03-29 22:41:34	xx	BrainDamage: the specific exploit could also target ldd
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2024-03-29 22:42:03	quaff	xx, so.. ldd runs the command to see what shared libraries are linked?
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2024-03-29 22:42:25	Milos	https://jmmv.dev/2023/07/ldd-untrusted-binaries.html
2024-03-29 22:42:26	phrik	Title: ldd(1) and untrusted binaries - Julio Merino (jmmv.dev) (at jmmv.dev)
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2024-03-29 22:44:25	quaff	according to the ldd manpage, this will achieve same and is safer: objdump -p /path/to/program | grep NEEDED
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2024-03-29 22:46:16	Freneticks	detect.sh on oss-security just run ldd ^^'
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2024-03-29 22:56:49	UndeadLeech	Is it viable to just run a system without xz? It seems like a lot of software builds upon it but fundamentally its functionality seems replaceable?
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2024-03-29 22:58:06	grawity	all software is replaceable
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2024-03-29 22:58:21	UndeadLeech	Yeah I guess it's more a question of how hard it would be.
2024-03-29 22:58:29	UndeadLeech	Could always just Rewrite it in Rust™.
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2024-03-29 22:59:02	another|	See "Required By" https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/xz/
2024-03-29 22:59:05	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - xz 5.6.1-2 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
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2024-03-29 22:59:20	UndeadLeech	Yeah I looked at that on my system and it seems rather difficult.
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2024-03-29 23:00:45	Freneticks	UndeadLeech: you can write backdoor in rust too
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2024-03-29 23:01:46	ZLima12	Yeah, it's not a memory safety problem, it's a literal backdoor. This isn't something Rust would solve
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2024-03-29 23:04:03	UndeadLeech	Freneticks: Yeah I'm just memeing about.
2024-03-29 23:04:05	another|	but in Rust, the backdoor would be memory safe    /s
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2024-03-29 23:06:08	orbita	In rust there would be no valgrind errors so noone would have investigated.
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2024-03-29 23:07:09	UndeadLeech	Maybe someone should come up with an even more unsafe version of C so we need more analysis tools that could run into these issues.
2024-03-29 23:07:19	UndeadLeech	That said, valgrind + Rust is still very useful.
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2024-03-29 23:09:50	Vorpal	UndeadLeech: it is useful for unsafe code blocks, and FFI at least. Though I have yet to need it for my rust projects (since I have yet to need to write any unsafe rust myself)
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2024-03-29 23:12:50	UndeadLeech	I mean Rust doesn't mean you necessarily manage memory efficiently. Valgrind is an amazing tool that goes far beyond just detecting safety issues.
2024-03-29 23:13:19	UndeadLeech	Especially in Rust there is a large number of projects that have very short-lived allocations and stuff like that which can be optimized.
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2024-03-29 23:30:19	greyltc	I didn't realize xz was in the kernel tree
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2024-03-29 23:33:33	Scimmia	greyltc: for decompression of modules/firmware/initramfs/etc
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2024-03-29 23:34:26	mx08	why does the neovim package now depend on several treesitter parsers? https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/neovim/-/commit/6d3ed733b059126a864b5afb5bd8d538f372e136
2024-03-29 23:34:27	phrik	Title: Use treesitter parser libraries (6d3ed733) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / neovim · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-03-29 23:34:31	mx08	shouldn't these be optdepends?
2024-03-29 23:34:39	samhain666	I'm creating a vagrant arch box using packer and i'm trying to set the root password via chroot, but for some reason when I vagrant up and try and login as root it doesn't accept the password.
2024-03-29 23:34:57	Namarrgon	mx08: neovim is linked agains the library
2024-03-29 23:35:05	samhain666	Is there a specific command to run within chroot to set the root password?
2024-03-29 23:35:25	samhain666	I'm using usermod
2024-03-29 23:35:47	samhain666	```/usr/bin/usermod --password ${PASSWORD} root
2024-03-29 23:35:50	Namarrgon	samhain666: you can run passwd from outside the chroot with --root
2024-03-29 23:36:01	samhain666	Really?
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2024-03-29 23:36:21	Scimmia	samhain666: from the usermod man page: PASSWORD is expected to be encrypted, as returned by crypt (3).
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2024-03-29 23:36:43	samhain666	Yes i'm using openssl passwd -6 <password>
2024-03-29 23:37:16	greyltc	samhain666: I set the root password to rabbit like this: `echo "root:rabbit"|chpasswd`
2024-03-29 23:37:18	samhain666	So outside chroot, how would that apply to the actual env?  I always thought it needed to be in chroot
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2024-03-29 23:38:08	samhain666	Can I run that in chroot, or only outside?
2024-03-29 23:38:18	greyltc	i run that from inside the chroot
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2024-03-29 23:38:38	samhain666	Can I pass in the variable like I have above in the quote?
2024-03-29 23:38:54	greyltc	`echo "root:${ROOT_PASSWORD}"|chpasswd` works too
2024-03-29 23:38:58	samhain666	Ok
2024-03-29 23:39:01	samhain666	Let me try this
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2024-03-29 23:39:39	mx08	Namarrgon: I guess it is linked against treesitter which has been a dependency for some time. But why make it depend on those treesitter grammars? 
2024-03-29 23:39:49	mx08	It's kind of a random selection of grammars
2024-03-29 23:39:57	mx08	there exist like 100+ different grammars
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2024-03-29 23:40:30	mx08	the markdown grammar is also marked as experimental in the tree-sitter repo and this is the reason I don't have it (manually) intalled on my system
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2024-03-29 23:41:19	greyltc	might be something wrong with the way I'm doing it here because I haven't tested if a `:` in the password works or needs to be escaped or something
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2024-03-29 23:42:03	mx08	s/grammars/parsers/g  I guess
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2024-03-29 23:44:03	Scimmia	mx08: See https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/neovim/-/issues/1 and https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/neovim/-/merge_requests/3
2024-03-29 23:44:04	phrik	Title: 0.9.1-3 misses bundled treesitter parsers (#1) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / neovim · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-29 23:52:08	Moire9	Hi all, my GRUB font is far too small. Is it possible to scale the font via configuration without generating a new font with `grub-mkfont`? Or, alternatively, how can I generate a new font with the exact same settings and appearance as the original font, just scaled up? I tried using grub-mkfont with GNU unifont, which is allegedly the same font
2024-03-29 23:52:08	Moire9	that grub ships with by default, but when changing the scale the results are, in a word, crusty. Even with no size specified in the settings, it doesn't quite look right (e.g. the solid lines that form boxes in the menu are no longer connected, etc.). Anybody have experience in this?
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2024-03-29 23:52:36	Moire9	My laptop is HiDPI so I assume that's why it's very hard to read.
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2024-03-30 04:23:14	Scimmia	yeah, even before the rebuild the payload wasn't in the Arch package, not even dormant
2024-03-30 04:23:17	ZLima12	The real scary thing to me is that they've done work on the kernel
2024-03-30 04:25:02	Scimmia	I really, really doubt they could have gotten anything into the kernel. Things like this test being a payload would have been caught in such a high profile project
2024-03-30 04:25:15	ZLima12	Probably, or at least I hope so
2024-03-30 04:25:48	Scimmia	being a simple compression lib, low profile, hobby project let them get away with a lot
2024-03-30 04:26:27	ZLima12	I hope that something of a lesson will be learned from all of this
2024-03-30 04:26:34	Scimmia	I don't think anyone even considered how it could transitively affect something like sshd
2024-03-30 04:27:08	Scimmia	in all honesty, it was a brilliant attack
2024-03-30 04:27:09	gromit	Scimmia: I disagree on that, read for example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39865810&p=3#39869715
2024-03-30 04:27:10	phrik	Title: Backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to SSH server compromise | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com)
2024-03-30 04:27:47	gromit	Its a very clever, multi-level hiding thing that could have been in the making here 
2024-03-30 04:29:14	Scimmia	I saw that post earlier. You could argue that it was groundwork, sure
2024-03-30 04:30:54	Scimmia	maybe they were setting something up to be able to attack externally, I can't really say. This person is WAY beyond me
2024-03-30 04:31:28	UndeadLeech	Lasse Collin is the main xz guy, right? If we was also part of it the whole project might be a wash.
2024-03-30 04:31:30	DeepDayze	This might be a precursor to some major attack and no doubt this will become a more frequent occurrence
2024-03-30 04:31:34	UndeadLeech	Unfortunately can't look at the contributions anymore.
2024-03-30 04:31:38	DeepDayze	Github security may be lacking
2024-03-30 04:31:38	ZLima12	I've always thought that someone could do an attack through a build system like this, since often times they're rather complex and boilerplate
2024-03-30 04:32:23	Murray7501	if it really is a goverment involved they can use any method to get to a dev
2024-03-30 04:32:52	ZLima12	Imagine if this hadn't been caught so soon
2024-03-30 04:33:21	DeepDayze	the compromised liblzma been out there for at least a few weeks before being discovered
2024-03-30 04:33:23	Scimmia	and all because of an increase in the time it takes to process a login
2024-03-30 04:33:25	ZLima12	The only reason the guy figured it out was that the performance was noticable slower
2024-03-30 04:33:28	ZLima12	Yeah
2024-03-30 04:33:33	ZLima12	noticably*
2024-03-30 04:33:40	ZLima12	Imagine if they had optimized the exploit a bit more
2024-03-30 04:33:42	UndeadLeech	This was mostly foiled by incompetence from what I can see. I wouldn't be surprised if there's multiple things like this in the wild actually working fine because they were written by more competent developers.
2024-03-30 04:34:04	DeepDayze	Never know what other library gets hit
2024-03-30 04:34:17	UndeadLeech	Or has been hit already.
2024-03-30 04:34:21	DeepDayze	Right
2024-03-30 04:34:45	DeepDayze	Would take a lot of time to audit all the library source code and build systems
2024-03-30 04:34:54	DeepDayze	not to mention who has access
2024-03-30 04:35:11	ZLima12	I guess there's an argument to be made for minimalism
2024-03-30 04:35:17	UndeadLeech	A government has such massive funds, it's difficult to see a world where a nation sufficiently motivated wouldn't be able to affect a huge chunk of Linux machines with a sophisticated enough exploit.
2024-03-30 04:35:26	DeepDayze	Russians maybe?
2024-03-30 04:35:33	Scimmia	to attack a library sshd doensn't even use, though. wow
2024-03-30 04:35:42	ZLima12	It was very clever
2024-03-30 04:35:53	DeepDayze	there are applications that use xz directly
2024-03-30 04:35:58	UndeadLeech	There have been attacks on PyPi by North Korea even. This is definitely something that is happening.
2024-03-30 04:36:00	ZLima12	They must have at one point noticed that it was being pulled in by libsystemd
2024-03-30 04:36:13	DeepDayze	why systemd pulling that in?
2024-03-30 04:36:30	ZLima12	libsystemd.so is how it gets into sshd
2024-03-30 04:36:36	Scimmia	I assume it uses it for compression somewhere
2024-03-30 04:36:56	ZLima12	libsystemd.so links to liblzma.so, liblz4.so, and libzstd.so
2024-03-30 04:36:58	DeepDayze	so systemd does its own compression?
2024-03-30 04:37:09	DeepDayze	maybe for logs I can see that
2024-03-30 04:37:19	Scimmia	well, through a lib, not exactly it's own
2024-03-30 04:37:31	DeepDayze	right
2024-03-30 04:37:35	ZLima12	I asked about this in #systemd, and someone suggested for journald and coredumpd
2024-03-30 04:37:53	UndeadLeech	That would make sense considering logs are compressed.
2024-03-30 04:37:54	DeepDayze	figured journald uses that lib for compressing logs
2024-03-30 04:38:01	ZLima12	But I'm sure the systemd critics will have new fuel for their arguments for a while
2024-03-30 04:38:19	ZLima12	I wouldn't blame them though personally
2024-03-30 04:38:29	ZLima12	I don't think anyone really expected this
2024-03-30 04:38:30	DeepDayze	Bet the systemd crew be doing audits of their own code
2024-03-30 04:38:41	UndeadLeech	I mean the only reason arch isn't affected is because they decided to keep it simple, right? So there's definitely something to be said about simpler systems.
2024-03-30 04:39:12	DeepDayze	What about libraries used for critical functions such as those used in drivers?
2024-03-30 04:39:41	DeepDayze	bckdooring a driver is possible
2024-03-30 04:40:37	DeepDayze	to me this is a proof of concept and a major compromise could be planned for later. This is why devs need to secure their repos
2024-03-30 04:41:05	ZLima12	Well, most drivers on Linux are in the kernel so that's a bit different
2024-03-30 04:41:10	DeepDayze	Github might get some backlash because of security lapses
2024-03-30 04:41:12	UndeadLeech	In hindsight I wonder if there's any metrics that could have been used to identify the malicious actor. But it seems to me like it was a regular contributor just suddenly turned evil.
2024-03-30 04:41:20	DeepDayze	Good point
2024-03-30 04:41:40	DeepDayze	Who else would have write access?
2024-03-30 04:42:18	UndeadLeech	"devs need to secure their repos" this doesn't apply here imo. Most evidence I've seen suggests the maintainers themselves turned evil.
2024-03-30 04:42:21	Scimmia	could be sudden. Could just be a long con
2024-03-30 04:42:33	ZLima12	Seems like a long con to me
2024-03-30 04:42:39	UndeadLeech	Either way it's tough to identify, especially with such a long con.
2024-03-30 04:43:02	Murray7501	UndeadLeech: yeah imagine if someone offered you substantial sum to backdoor the project or threatened to kill you or your family, 
2024-03-30 04:43:02	ZLima12	I'm sure it took them time to craft it all before having the balls to put it in
2024-03-30 04:43:31	rcf	UndeadLeech: I don’t think any metric would be useful. Any approach would be gamed by someone in a long con 
2024-03-30 04:43:38	UndeadLeech	Murray7501: Maybe they weren't that evil? Maybe that's why it's so slow.
2024-03-30 04:43:54	Murray7501	UndeadLeech: maybe...
2024-03-30 04:43:57	UndeadLeech	Writing an exploit just sophisticated enough to make its detection seem like an accident.
2024-03-30 04:44:15	ZLima12	lol
2024-03-30 04:44:25	Scimmia	Really, we'll probably never know the whole story
2024-03-30 04:44:27	DeepDayze	And was found because someone noticed a lag when logging in to some box via ssh
2024-03-30 04:44:52	UndeadLeech	rcf: Yeah that's what I'm struggling with tbh. If anyone was concerned about me being a malicious actor, I'd tell them to look at how long I've been contributing to random shit for no gain. But apparently malicious actors are doing that too now.
2024-03-30 04:45:27	UndeadLeech	Maybe I'm a malicious actor…
2024-03-30 04:45:32	UndeadLeech	I just haven't realized yet.
2024-03-30 04:45:41	DeepDayze	Some malicious people would innocuously join some project contribute some good code while developing the bad code then slip it in.
2024-03-30 04:45:47	rcf	Or buying someone else’s account. 
2024-03-30 04:45:53	gromit	Someone also noted on some social media platform that the commit groups are apparently outliers with regard to the time they were comitted, so yeah maybe the accounts were turned into sockpuppets 
2024-03-30 04:46:19	UndeadLeech	gromit: That's a good point and it's a metric that is already used for identifying supply-chain attacks.
2024-03-30 04:46:26	gromit	https://hachyderm.io/@danderson/112182299348258318
2024-03-30 04:46:27	phrik	Title: Dave Anderson: "twitter x-post about the xz compromise" - Hachyderm.io (at hachyderm.io)
2024-03-30 04:47:04	UndeadLeech	Those are massive outliers too. I feel like for me it would never be that consistent.
2024-03-30 04:48:54	Scimmia	If it was a sockpuppet issue, I would think the person that owned the account would have noticed before now and raised the alarm
2024-03-30 04:49:20	Scimmia	It's been over a month, hasn't it?
2024-03-30 04:49:24	UndeadLeech	Yeah they made commits as recent as 4 days ago. So the getting pwned thing seems odd.
2024-03-30 04:49:54	ZLima12	They made commits yesterday saying "If you find an exploit, _do not_ disclose it publically!"
2024-03-30 04:50:04	UndeadLeech	Can't imagine someone getting pwned and then the pwner also reaching out to Canonical with the same name without the original person catching wind of it at all.
2024-03-30 04:51:21	UndeadLeech	And while it is a holiday weekend, I would certainly catch wind of an issue like this considering how much it blew up. But afaik none of the maintainers have spoken up yet.
2024-03-30 04:52:19	Scimmia	The repo owner, it blew up on Friday evening. They may not even be up yet
2024-03-30 04:52:47	Scimmia	Can you imagine all of this happening while you're asleep?
2024-03-30 04:52:51	ZLima12	Imagine waking up to this lmao
2024-03-30 04:54:31	Scimmia	NetSysFire: it appears to intercept RSA public key authentication, so it's assumed that it would let the bad actor log in
2024-03-30 04:54:50	gromit	NetSysFire: yes, i.e. here: https://gist.github.com/thesamesam/223949d5a074ebc3dce9ee78baad9e27#payload
2024-03-30 04:55:08	phrik	NetSysFire: liblzmavuln: Created by NetSysFire on 2024-03-29T18:13:01+0000. Last requested by SysGhost!~SysGhost@user/sysghost on 2024-03-29T20:28:26+0000, requested 2 times.
2024-03-30 04:56:09	phrik	NetSysFire: Tada!
2024-03-30 04:56:32	UndeadLeech	Yeah that is also part of the official announcementn.
2024-03-30 04:56:56	Scimmia	that was made before the announcement
2024-03-30 04:58:03	UndeadLeech	musl people are going to be so happy rn.
2024-03-30 04:58:19	UndeadLeech	Not working as a feature.
2024-03-30 04:58:47	Scimmia	mine, either. Either on a non-affected distro or too old
2024-03-30 04:59:04	UndeadLeech	Yeah luckily the targeted systems all usually run ancient versions. If the attacker had instead targeted systems that quickly adopt new package versions, I would have gotten pwned on several systems.
2024-03-30 04:59:17	ZLima12	Yeah, same
2024-03-30 05:00:02	jab416171	why is salt such a mess in recent history
2024-03-30 05:00:05	greyltc	Icedream: that commit-by-time-of-day plot is pretty interesting, everything I've seen before this has reinforced (for me) the idea that the persona has always been nefarious
2024-03-30 05:00:18	jab416171	yeah saltstack
2024-03-30 05:00:19	UndeadLeech	Hasn't salt always been a mess? It corrodes everything.
2024-03-30 05:00:25	jab416171	hehe
2024-03-30 05:02:23	jab416171	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/78564.html
2024-03-30 05:02:23	phrik	Title: FS#78564 : salt 3006.1-1 in unusable state for weeks with missing py3 deps (looseversion, psutil, jmespath) (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2024-03-30 05:02:42	UndeadLeech	Really makes you wonder why salt is Python and not Rust based. :)
2024-03-30 05:02:53	jab416171	I'm still getting errors with jmespath and psutil installed
2024-03-30 05:03:44	jab416171	downgrade to 3006 and it works
2024-03-30 05:03:46	jab416171	3007 is borked
2024-03-30 05:31:26	greyltc	Nice that Arch switched from packaging with xz to zstd before this clown ever got ahold of the xz repo
2024-03-30 05:36:58	greyltc	I know why Arch switched. I'm not sure why you think what I wrote was fud.
2024-03-30 05:45:09	greyltc	It looks to me like my comment specifically rebukes fud.
2024-03-30 05:45:15	espresso	I just took it as observing a fortunate coincidence..
2024-03-30 05:45:50	greyltc	fud is: "Hey weren't Arch packages xz compressed not too long ago?"
2024-03-30 05:45:56	greyltc	But whatever
2024-03-30 05:47:29	cloudowind	soon my sound card wont work and i will need some help
2024-03-30 05:47:54	greyltc	cloudowind: what will the solution be?
2024-03-30 05:47:59	espresso	it is funny how many ways things can be construed :) *I* never said you hacked my login. I *never* said you hacked my login. I never *said* you hacked..  Oh hey cloudowind, that's my unspecialty..
2024-03-30 05:48:26	cloudowind	:)
2024-03-30 05:50:16	greyltc	yeah, that's true
2024-03-30 05:50:32	espresso	oh, I see, ok
2024-03-30 05:51:13	phrik	As of now, Arch does not appear to be affected. Still, update RIGHT NOW and read the FAQ: https://gist.github.com/thesamesam/223949d5a074ebc3dce9ee78baad9e27
2024-03-30 05:54:21	greyltc	I was going to write some stuff that might be considered fud to continue the discussion, but I won't :P
2024-03-30 05:55:15	ZLima12	The vulnerability doesn't even have to do with compression
2024-03-30 05:55:45	espresso	was on earlier today when the news dropped; hopefully was only *clarifying* when chat went overdrive
2024-03-30 05:57:29	ZLima12	Well yeah, I should have said it doesn't have to do with the compression algorithm itself
2024-03-30 05:58:30	ZLima12	They could have done the same attack with any library that got linked into sshd, it just so happened to be liblzma
2024-03-30 05:59:09	greyltc	it's not a direct link
2024-03-30 05:59:20	ZLima12	yeah, but it still gets linked in
2024-03-30 05:59:39	greyltc	it's via a patch that brings in systemd which links to the xz code
2024-03-30 05:59:43	ZLima12	right
2024-03-30 06:01:22	greyltc	it's a pretty crazy vector
2024-03-30 06:01:23	Strykar	Started back in 2021, non-trivial shit - https://boehs.org/node/everything-i-know-about-the-xz-backdoor
2024-03-30 06:01:24	phrik	Title: Everything I know about the XZ backdoor (at boehs.org)
2024-03-30 06:03:10	Gnana	anyone use tlp? how i can make to full performance mode?
2024-03-30 06:03:57	Scimmia	NetSysFire: the might want to update the factoid, the update didn't actually do anything
2024-03-30 06:04:42	Scimmia	well, we always recommend updating, so maybe not :D
2024-03-30 06:04:52	cloudowind	i used to , i dont remember how now , tlp modes;D 
2024-03-30 06:04:53	Scimmia	but the update for pkgrel 1 to pkgrel 2 did nothing at all
2024-03-30 06:05:27	cloudowind	best place will be their man pages it will seem a bit boring but the most accurate ones will be there
2024-03-30 06:05:47	Scimmia	the trigger detected it it was being packaged for .deb or .rpm before adding the payload, so the 
2024-03-30 06:05:52	ZLima12	They were smart to only put it in the tarballs
2024-03-30 06:05:54	Scimmia	Arch package never had it
2024-03-30 06:06:43	Scimmia	even dormant, it was simply never there
2024-03-30 06:07:18	greyltc	you can upload anything as a release asset, shouldn't it be a policy to only build from the github generated repo snapshot tarballs?
2024-03-30 06:07:59	Scimmia	not in the arch package there wasn't
2024-03-30 06:09:19	Scimmia	greyltc: no, things like autoconf get run for the release artifact, but don't need to be in the source repo
2024-03-30 06:10:09	greyltc	Scimmia: Can't a script in the repo do that, to be run during build?
2024-03-30 06:10:25	Scimmia	NetSysFire: the malicious code was never in the Arch package. Suggesting that updating does anything isn't right
2024-03-30 06:10:41	Scimmia	ah
2024-03-30 06:10:48	ZLima12	NetSysFire: true, but it would probably be easier to put something more blatant in a release tarball
2024-03-30 06:11:06	ZLima12	Why not build from the tag in Git directly?
2024-03-30 06:11:36	cloudowind	sound card works , but sound speakers dont
2024-03-30 06:11:36	greyltc	ZLima12: this is the same as what I'm saying
2024-03-30 06:11:54	Scimmia	generally, it's things like setting a version and autoconf that go into the release, not necessarily into the source repo ZLima12
2024-03-30 06:11:58	greyltc	(assuming we trust github/microsoct)
2024-03-30 06:12:11	ZLima12	Well, if it's signed with PGP we don't need to trust them
2024-03-30 06:12:15	ZLima12	The tag
2024-03-30 06:13:20	ZLima12	Unless you mean downloading the tarball from them, in which case yeah, you'd have to trust them
2024-03-30 06:13:30	cloudowind	machine works full everything works , macbook 2016 , except speakers but when i plug earphones it does work , that is a very succesfull job archlinux... debian didnt recognize keyboard wifi
2024-03-30 06:13:46	cloudowind	archlinux really impressed me again today 
2024-03-30 06:14:01	espresso	!ar
2024-03-30 06:14:01	phrik	Arch Rocks™
2024-03-30 06:14:25	ZLima12	There is value in "keeping it simple"
2024-03-30 06:14:32	cloudowind	thank you to all who contributes to it very good work
2024-03-30 06:14:32	espresso	apparently you do too! nice job
2024-03-30 06:15:16	Scimmia	ZLima12: honestly, it was pure chance in this case
2024-03-30 06:15:35	ZLima12	which thing? Macbook or liblzma?
2024-03-30 06:15:37	Strykar	nevertheless, kudos to the Arch maintainers to not just blindly follow RH's lead on this
2024-03-30 06:15:46	Scimmia	liblzma
2024-03-30 06:16:26	greyltc	It seems like step 1: Stop building from blobs uploaded by mainteiners as release assets. Step 2: stop building from repos with blobs committed as source code.
2024-03-30 06:16:56	greyltc	Only build stuff a human can vet
2024-03-30 06:17:20	Scimmia	I'll admit, compressed binary data does seem reasonable for tests for a compression lib
2024-03-30 06:17:24	ZLima12	Well the blobs in this case were compressed test data which is reasonable
2024-03-30 06:17:25	ZLima12	yeah
2024-03-30 06:17:33	Strykar	review all packages where upstream is just one tired overworked underpaid developer
2024-03-30 06:17:44	greyltc	Strip it
2024-03-30 06:17:57	ZLima12	strip what?
2024-03-30 06:18:19	greyltc	When does a blob need to be involved in the build that generates the release package?
2024-03-30 06:18:51	Scimmia	testing if compression works properly
2024-03-30 06:19:02	Strykar	:)
2024-03-30 06:19:12	Scimmia	not saying it NEEDS to be that, but it's certainly reasonable
2024-03-30 06:20:04	greyltc	Build A: with blobs+testing. Build B: strip testing blobs, build without testing --> release package
2024-03-30 06:20:08	greyltc	I don't know
2024-03-30 06:20:32	ZLima12	You want to make sure that the binaries you're shipping work properly
2024-03-30 06:20:33	Scimmia	greyltc: see the check() function in a PKGBUILD
2024-03-30 06:21:22	Scimmia	testsuite data is normal in release artifacts
2024-03-30 06:22:40	ryzenda	Damn! I just 2 minutes ago heard about some backdoor ssh things regarding lzma/xz 5.6.0/5.6.1 distributed tarballs, scrambling to figure out the deets right now
2024-03-30 06:22:54	phrik	ryzenda: As of now, Arch does not appear to be affected. Still, update RIGHT NOW and read the FAQ: https://gist.github.com/thesamesam/223949d5a074ebc3dce9ee78baad9e27
2024-03-30 06:23:14	ryzenda	nice! good to know, lol
2024-03-30 06:23:20	greyltc	Strip the blobs --> build the package --> use the built package plus whatever blobs are needed for testing to complete the tests of the built packages
2024-03-30 06:23:36	greyltc	It seems completely unreasonable from a package effort standpoint
2024-03-30 06:24:02	Scimmia	"plus whatever blobs are needed for testing" and there's where the issue came in
2024-03-30 06:24:35	greyltc	There's no issue there
2024-03-30 06:24:43	Scimmia	the blobs are in the source tree where everything is built and tested
2024-03-30 06:24:52	phrik	NetSysFire: Tada!
2024-03-30 06:25:19	Scimmia	NetSysFire: sounds fine, but as I said, I never have a problem telling people to update :D
2024-03-30 06:25:55	greyltc	(Strip the blobs --> build the package) these two steps result in a package that can be vetted by humans
2024-03-30 06:26:11	Scimmia	In all the years I've been here, I've never registered with phrik
2024-03-30 06:26:55	greyltc	we can now test the output package generated here in a sanitized environment against whatever test blobs the maintainer has provided
2024-03-30 06:27:14	greyltc	If these tests pass, release the package
2024-03-30 06:31:59	ryzenda	yep no output shown from `ldd $(which sshd) | grep liblzma | grep -o '/[^ ]*' - Thanks Tom! (earlier today)
2024-03-30 06:38:28	greyltc	The build servers have two "zones." Zone 1: no blobs allowed, packages built here. Zone 2: blobs allowed, packages tested here.
2024-03-30 06:38:38	greyltc	What package need a blob to build?
2024-03-30 06:38:49	greyltc	besides linux-firmware
2024-03-30 06:39:09	greyltc	and the microcodes
2024-03-30 06:39:20	Scimmia	greyltc: build servers? You realize that Arch packages can be, and often are, built on the devs machine, right?
2024-03-30 06:40:00	Scimmia	and upstream source tree is upstream's issue. Blobs happen in a lot of cases
2024-03-30 06:40:01	greyltc	I don't know, stop doing that (for packages that are released to the mirrors).
2024-03-30 06:40:33	Scimmia	hell, a jpeg is a blob
2024-03-30 06:40:59	greyltc	yeah...
2024-03-30 06:42:18	greyltc	it's gotta be impossible
2024-03-30 06:42:44	greyltc	no, they're only bad when they hide bad stuff
2024-03-30 06:46:21	greyltc	Who's publishing a package threat index?
2024-03-30 06:47:53	greyltc	Based on say, number of maintainers and number of packages in the dependency tree
2024-03-30 06:49:32	greyltc	xz must have one of worst indices there. 2 "maintainers," touches everything
2024-03-30 06:51:55	greyltc	threat score gets multiplied by 100 if the maintainers are unpaid
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2024-03-30 08:13:52	kode54	yeah cool
2024-03-30 08:13:58	kode54	it's not possible to build the xz package any moer
2024-03-30 08:14:01	kode54	*more
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2024-03-30 08:19:39	akik	kode54: why not?
2024-03-30 08:19:51	kode54	the git repository is locked down
2024-03-30 08:20:01	kode54	unless you already have it cloned
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2024-03-30 08:40:42	tirnanog	kode54: github may take down whatever they host but that power does not (yet) extend to the rest of the web. in particular, git.tukaani.org lives.
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2024-03-30 08:42:10	cloudowi1d	why archlinux doesnt have something like debian dvd1 where you can find most the packages and latest stable kernel etc all together , ? or if exists where it is? if doesnt exist how we are going to install arch when there is no internet?with some common pckages like xfce xorg samba etc
2024-03-30 08:43:07	fetzenfisch	does anyone know to which version arch did roll back? as v5.3.1 is the latest version not touched by this ***hole. btw.: arch package site is still pointing to https://xz.tukaani.org/xz-utils/ as upstream url.
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2024-03-30 08:46:44	phrik	fetzenfisch: As of now, Arch does not appear to be affected. Read the FAQ: https://gist.github.com/thesamesam/223949d5a074ebc3dce9ee78baad9e27
2024-03-30 08:46:48	andreyv	fetzenfisch: Arch did not roll back
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2024-03-30 08:48:08	kode54	the switch to Git only got rid of the build time script that started the whole thing
2024-03-30 08:48:15	kode54	which didn't do anything on Arch in the first place
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2024-03-30 08:48:28	kode54	because it checks on startup if it's on a debian or rpm distribution first
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2024-03-30 08:51:31	fetzenfisch	k, thx :)
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2024-03-30 08:59:37	kode54	there's no telling what other damage it may have been doing to systems it actually got installed on, though
2024-03-30 08:59:45	kode54	this will take a full investigation of the payloads
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2024-03-30 09:14:32	snoriman	When I use `su <user>` to switch to another user, it won't start the systemd process for that user. I want to enable ssh-agent for a specific user. What would be the correct way to do this?
2024-03-30 09:16:02	virtualsid	snoriman: my memory is saying su - <user> - but I'm not actually sure
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2024-03-30 09:16:46	virtualsid	oh, that won't work - specifically mentions in the man page that -, -l, --login won't do what you expect on systemd systems
2024-03-30 09:16:50	snoriman	NetSysFire: but if the systemd instance instance started for a user, having a symlink wouldn't do anything, or maybe I misunderstood how this works
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2024-03-30 09:17:11	snoriman	virtualsid: ah ok, yeah that's the issue then indeed
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2024-03-30 09:17:39	virtualsid	it has suggestions for a workaround, if that helps
2024-03-30 09:17:50	snoriman	ah I'll check 
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2024-03-30 09:26:05	mohan43u	snoriman: why not use "-session   optional   pam_systemd.so' at the end of /etc/pam.d/su or /etc/pam.d/su-l depending on your su use case and check if systemd --user automatically starts or not.
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2024-03-30 09:28:41	snoriman	ah thanks mohan43u! I'll check that out
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2024-03-30 09:29:29	ryzenda	Someone just shared this in the xz/lzma channel on libera.chat https://boehs.org/node/everything-i-know-about-the-xz-backdoor shortly after Larhzu appeared still on their vacation
2024-03-30 09:29:31	phrik	Title: Everything I know about the XZ backdoor (at boehs.org)
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2024-03-30 09:29:53	kode54	ryzenda: this is libera chat
2024-03-30 09:30:02	ryzenda	yeah, the project chnanel on this network
2024-03-30 09:30:21	ryzenda	lol neighbors basically
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2024-03-30 09:36:44	Codebecile	What'z the XZ channel name?
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2024-03-30 09:38:16	ryzenda	Codebecile, hash name of the project repo/website name. i'm sure you can find it!
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2024-03-30 09:40:08	Codebecile	I forgot to put th # before it... sigh.
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2024-03-30 09:41:11	ryzenda	NetSysFire, yeah, haha, but also just a few minutes ago appearance from Larhzu and they said "... Thanks to you and perhaps others you have kept the channel sane. I didn't read the backlog for now." and it was peaceful the short time before that I arrived as well
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2024-03-30 09:41:41	ryzenda	ah, i missed that
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2024-03-30 09:43:08	ryzenda	yeah, I'm pretty caught up now, not as worried and no need to spread to friends and fam that use linux and whatnot, lol I don't need to make sure to update the pcs I bought for fam and stuff either
2024-03-30 09:43:27	Pikk3wyn	i thought it was an april fools joke
2024-03-30 09:44:37	Pikk3wyn	based on the dates of arch container image affected
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2024-03-30 09:45:50	Pikk3wyn	o damn
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2024-03-30 09:46:28	Pikk3wyn	based on images that are younger than 2 feb and older than whatever match
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2024-03-30 09:46:31	Pikk3wyn	march
2024-03-30 09:46:40	phrik	Pikk3wyn: As of now, Arch does not appear to be affected. Read the FAQ: https://gist.github.com/thesamesam/223949d5a074ebc3dce9ee78baad9e27
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2024-03-30 09:47:51	Pikk3wyn	from the language it looked to be impossible dates
2024-03-30 09:47:53	ryzenda	NetSysFire, and that factors in concern of libarchive too right? "libarchive should also be considered compromised until proven otherwise."  patch here https://github.com/libarchive/libarchive/pull/2101
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2024-03-30 09:48:02	Pikk3wyn	maybe i misread it or unclear
2024-03-30 09:48:12	ryzenda	NetSysFire, it's mentioned in https://boehs.org/node/everything-i-know-about-the-xz-backdoor
2024-03-30 09:48:12	Pikk3wyn	of the archwiki one
2024-03-30 09:48:13	phrik	Title: Everything I know about the XZ backdoor (at boehs.org)
2024-03-30 09:48:19	Pikk3wyn	or news 
2024-03-30 09:48:21	Pikk3wyn	sorrty
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2024-03-30 11:50:31	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-30 11:50:31	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1422 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1421 regular)
2024-03-30 09:49:08	ryzenda	alright cool, just making sure
2024-03-30 09:50:49	ryzenda	cuz one speculation is that in any possibility of ignorance not verifying and validating simply because quantity of persons claim everything is fine, but those entitities maybe are not jurisdiction to claim such, that that attack vector might be coordinated strategic intention to utilize this situation to unfold with insult-to-injury inaction
2024-03-30 09:50:50	Pikk3wyn	is this systemd notifications like the desktop notification system
2024-03-30 09:50:52	Pikk3wyn	or some other kind
2024-03-30 09:54:04	BrainDamage	neither
2024-03-30 09:54:57	BrainDamage	systemd notification is a way to inform systemd that a program has finished startup procedures and is ready to operate, systemd will delay marking the unit as ready until the signal is sent if the facility is used
2024-03-30 09:56:16	BrainDamage	the alternative and default behaviour is to mark the program as ready to operate as soon as the binary is launched, which is not correct
2024-03-30 09:56:53	BrainDamage	depends on the machine load
2024-03-30 10:39:26	fury999io	help me please 🥺🥺😭 https://bpa.st/raw/747A
2024-03-30 10:45:41	tirnanog	you'll have to build yay again, just as you did originally to install it.
2024-03-30 10:46:24	tirnanog	next time, don't omit yay when it presents itself as needing an update.
2024-03-30 11:07:35	fugazzi	what about the backdoor in XZ library? I arch linux affected?
2024-03-30 11:07:48	phrik	fugazzi: As of now, Arch does not appear to be affected. Read the FAQ: https://gist.github.com/thesamesam/223949d5a074ebc3dce9ee78baad9e27
2024-03-30 11:08:28	fugazzi	thank you phrik going to read it now!
2024-03-30 11:08:51	phrik	Undeniably so.
2024-03-30 11:09:38	fugazzi	I say hello to everyone ;-)
2024-03-30 11:09:48	fury999io	tirnanog, thanks that worked
2024-03-30 11:13:17	novns	I wonder how to make qt6 apps use gtk borders in gnome/wayland
2024-03-30 11:14:00	novns	these just show a white border with no shadows
2024-03-30 11:15:47	novns	qt6ct cannot do this, it can only set the gtk theme for controls
2024-03-30 11:17:14	novns	with gnome/xorg qt6 uses gtk borders normally
2024-03-30 11:18:15	eoli3n	Hi
2024-03-30 11:18:18	novns	not a big problem but borders are invisible when something white is below
2024-03-30 11:18:20	eoli3n	does xz backdoor affect arch linux ?
2024-03-30 11:18:39	eoli3n	ok https://archlinux.org/news/the-xz-package-has-been-backdoored/
2024-03-30 11:18:40	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: The xz package has been backdoored (at archlinux.org)
2024-03-30 11:19:41	Earnestly	eoli3n: no, basically
2024-03-30 11:20:10	novns	eoli3n, you can read there at the bottom, sshd is not affected in arch
2024-03-30 11:20:23	eoli3n	i found the link just after asking, thanks ;)
2024-03-30 11:20:56	Ingar	nevertheless, better update!
2024-03-30 11:26:26	andreyv	I would say "Not affected by the exploits discovered so far", not more
2024-03-30 11:27:05	phrik	While Arch Linux is unaffected by the exploit caused by the backdoor, it is still there. Update RIGHT NOW. Also see https://gist.github.com/thesamesam/223949d5a074ebc3dce9ee78baad9e27 and https://archlinux.org/news/the-xz-package-has-been-backdoored/
2024-03-30 11:28:48	andreyv	btw, probably good to have this in channel topic as well?
2024-03-30 11:32:11	WinterStar	From what I've read about this attack, the attacker really took his sweet time when it came to 'massaging this into the code'. I think it'd be prudent to assume this JiaT75 is possibly one of many usernames belonging to a group, and more tampering with different projects could come to light over time.
2024-03-30 11:32:35	WinterStar	Hope my system is minimalistic enough ;)
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2024-03-30 12:35:16	novns	I wonder what is the future of xz, the github repo is disabled 
2024-03-30 12:35:35	novns	and their website doesn't work too
2024-03-30 12:45:01	Earnestly	Outside of supporting old archives there is little reason to keep xz around
2024-03-30 12:47:52	mpan	Are people going to discuss if a project “should” die each time something experiences an attack? Arch wasn’t even affected, the attack has nothing to do with xz itself (could’ve happen to anything), and other than this attack literally nothing has changed.
2024-03-30 12:49:12	Earnestly	mpan: While some might consider that the same person who made the changes to xz has been around for 2 years (I believe debian reverted back to a version prior to this chap's commits) I personally just think it's a nice opportunity to remove cruft
2024-03-30 12:50:19	Earnestly	While adding new craft like arx, which might be fun. Although squashfs still seems underrated in my view (perhaps not supporting ACLs isn't that important)
2024-03-30 12:50:41	Earnestly	Mostly for random access which tar cannot provide
2024-03-30 12:54:36	novns	I remember happy times when the only well-known archiver was ARJ
2024-03-30 12:56:48	mpan	Earnestly: that still doesn’t mean anything. Persistent/organized actors don’t care about costs that much and can wait years to avoid detection. Or may steal identities of trusted contributors. Or person’s behavior can change with time, which happens a lot. If there is a reason to abandon xz, using this even is the worst possible excuse.
2024-03-30 12:57:16	Earnestly	mpan: But it is /an/ excuse
2024-03-30 12:58:26	Earnestly	At any rate it'll be a bit tricky now that github has shut down their repo and downloads for the time being
2024-03-30 12:59:30	novns	the universe is not eternal anyway, nothing to worry about
2024-03-30 12:59:56	novns	all things must pass
2024-03-30 13:00:39	Earnestly	NetSysFire: I don't personally much care and I know the exploit doesn't affect arch, but for the fun of it here is a document that intends to update as times goes on (you may have seen it): https://boehs.org/node/everything-i-know-about-the-xz-backdoor
2024-03-30 13:00:41	phrik	Title: Everything I know about the XZ backdoor (at boehs.org)
2024-03-30 13:01:16	Earnestly	There's been no new updates since I saw it unfortunately
2024-03-30 13:02:15	Earnestly	(Fwiw, I don't think github should have suspended accounts or repos)
2024-03-30 13:02:35	mpan	Earnestly: that’s a good choice given the potential impact.
2024-03-30 13:03:08	Earnestly	mpan: I think there should have been more granular measures but github's efforts are probably going to hinder more than help
2024-03-30 13:03:37	mpan	I’m strongly against service providers interfering “for the greater good”, but there are situations at which nothing better can really be done.
2024-03-30 13:03:57	Earnestly	NetSysFire: I would disallow downloads from those specific archives while still allowing cloning, I'd also have prevented the user accounts from making commits
2024-03-30 13:04:10	mpan	Earnestly: the backdoor is in the repo, not in archives only. 
2024-03-30 13:04:22	Earnestly	mpan: I know, and that's fine
2024-03-30 13:04:22	srslypascal	novns: https://xz.tukaani.org is only down because that is/was a github.io site. https://tukaani.org and https://git.tukaani.org are still up if people _insist_ of shooting themselves in the foot. 🤷
2024-03-30 13:04:24	phrik	Title: The Tukaani Project (at tukaani.org)
2024-03-30 13:04:25	mpan	It’s just not activated outside archives.
2024-03-30 13:05:15	Earnestly	mpan: Or rather I think that would be fine, in fact even useful. However was the original mail wrong about the source archives being unaffected?
2024-03-30 13:05:17	mpan	But I don’t want to be in a skin of a 3rd party, which makes a decision of whether this is secure or not and be wrong. So I fully understand GH’s decision to suspend.
2024-03-30 13:06:27	jootoi	Locking JiT75s account makes perfect sense, locking Lasses accountI don't really get and lcoking the repo makes no sense to me
2024-03-30 13:07:02	mpan	Please, can we let this to be resolved by the people responsble?
2024-03-30 13:07:04	Earnestly	mpan: Oh I understand it too, but only disagree
2024-03-30 13:07:42	Earnestly	There's nothing we can do, just to add colour commentary and use it for a bit of fun discussion
2024-03-30 13:07:43	mpan	Arch team reacted perfectly and that’s what matters now to #archlinux. The rest will get resolved with time.
2024-03-30 13:08:27	Earnestly	unrealircd 2.0
2024-03-30 13:13:44	Earnestly	Hm, erofs does support ACLs
2024-03-30 13:13:49	jclsn	How to reload the .asounrc?
2024-03-30 13:13:59	jclsn	I tried alsactl kill rescan
2024-03-30 13:14:06	jclsn	alsactl reload
2024-03-30 13:14:43	sinbad	The xz exploit might very much affect arch as the arch security adviser and the flurry of updates show. One particular angle I have not seen emphasized  enough is weeding out the statically build programs linked against the compromised libraries.
2024-03-30 13:15:14	BrainDamage	jclsn: that's loaded individually by each program interfacing with alsa
2024-03-30 13:15:22	Earnestly	> Rolling-hash deduplicated data compression and fragment support since Linux 6.1 # Nice
2024-03-30 13:15:52	_256	Is there a systematic way to know which programs statically link with xz?
2024-03-30 13:16:09	BrainDamage	jclsn: so you need to restart each program that's doing that
2024-03-30 13:16:20	_256	Like build dependencies?
2024-03-30 13:16:34	BrainDamage	won't catch vendorized code
2024-03-30 13:17:05	jclsn	BrainDamage: Hmm not sure if I understand how to do this. I want to get my external soundcard here to show the correct sinks. There is an old thread here https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=172333
2024-03-30 13:17:05	phrik	Title: Getting Traktor Audio 10 to work with ALSA or Pulseaudio / Multimedia and Games / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-03-30 13:17:07	jclsn	Don
2024-03-30 13:17:37	BrainDamage	first question: are you using pulseaudio or pipewire?
2024-03-30 13:17:42	jclsn	Don't want to necrobump though and get a slap on the wrist. I have the Audio 6 model, but the link to the NI forum does not exist anymore
2024-03-30 13:17:45	jclsn	pipewire
2024-03-30 13:17:59	Earnestly	_256: /statically/ linked, not so much. You can basically only look for "signatures" of functions used by the lib in the binary
2024-03-30 13:18:09	jclsn	The program I use for DJing is talking to ALSA directly though afaik
2024-03-30 13:18:33	tirnanog	consider, also, the use of dlopen.
2024-03-30 13:18:51	BrainDamage	are you sure it is? pipewire and pulse create virtual alsa interfaces for programs to hook to
2024-03-30 13:19:05	BrainDamage	you need to double check what iface the program is using
2024-03-30 13:19:35	jclsn	Well it is expecting hw:1 etc, which I don't even have https://xwax.org/guide.html
2024-03-30 13:19:36	phrik	Title: xwax: Getting started (at xwax.org)
2024-03-30 13:19:58	jclsn	xwax was written before Pulseaudio was a thing I think
2024-03-30 13:20:21	BrainDamage	doesn't matter, again, pa will create a virtual interface
2024-03-30 13:20:31	BrainDamage	pastebin the output of aplay -L
2024-03-30 13:20:45	jclsn	Anyhow, the card has two channels, for each turntable input and this is not recognized by default. I got this working some years ago with the .asoundrc from the Arch forum, but that was also with Pulseaudio
2024-03-30 13:20:49	BrainDamage	sorry, -l, not -L
2024-03-30 13:21:05	jclsn	https://0x0.st/XzZ-.txt
2024-03-30 13:21:25	jclsn	https://0x0.st/XzZo.txt
2024-03-30 13:21:51	Earnestly	Well it is there
2024-03-30 13:22:05	BrainDamage	ok, your card is there, but it's hw:0, not hw:1
2024-03-30 13:22:08	Scimmia	sinbad _256 since the payload was only ever included when building for .deb or .rpm packages, this specific attack is a non-issue on Arch
2024-03-30 13:22:20	Scimmia	even static builds
2024-03-30 13:22:40	jclsn	I don't see hw:0 anywhere
2024-03-30 13:22:53	BrainDamage	did you restart the program?
2024-03-30 13:23:28	jclsn	Yes, it is not recognizing hw:0 or plughw:0
2024-03-30 13:23:29	matheusmoreira	I have a laptop with an intel igpu and an nvidia dgpu which i'm looking to use with prime and nouveau. the system boots up okay and when I query /sys DRI debugfs directories I can ses that the fbconsole is using it. however when I switch VTs, log in again and start wayland, it uses the nvidia dgpu. any reason why something like this would happen? I want the dgpu to be completely off until I use 
2024-03-30 13:23:35	matheusmoreira	it for specific applications (kicad)
2024-03-30 13:23:40	jclsn	Also, where do you see that device ID?
2024-03-30 13:24:09	BrainDamage	Karte 0: XFi [Creative X-Fi], Gerät 0: ctxfi [Front/WaveIn] < here
2024-03-30 13:24:27	BrainDamage	card 0, device 0
2024-03-30 13:24:33	jclsn	BrainDamage: That is the wrong card. It is the Traktor Audio 6
2024-03-30 13:24:52	Earnestly	BrainDamage: (Last one in the list)
2024-03-30 13:24:56	BrainDamage	oh, then it's hw:3
2024-03-30 13:25:10	BrainDamage	it's still listed tho
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2024-03-30 13:46:29	sinbad	Scimmia: What same thing, liblzma was "fixed" for now, oops I see the arch pkg does not come with .a libs. I you installed a -git go-lang package from AUR chances are you built  a compromised static binary so just in case remove it. And don't use -bin packages in general.
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2024-03-30 13:48:20	xt28	sinbad: liblzma was not "fixed" in any meaningful sense. The binary is essentially unchanged. This probably is probably due to the fact that arch wasn’t targeted by the exploit anyway.
2024-03-30 13:48:29	Scimmia	sinbad: first, liblzma is not fixed, it was never broken on Arch, but as you say, there's no static lib there anyway. This would be the upstream build system building the static lib to link to, which would require upstream to change their build system
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2024-03-30 13:48:42	xt28	^
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2024-03-30 13:49:01	Icedream	xt28, sinbad, arch linux did not have the particular issue that Debian/Red Hat hat since the payload never fully got injected there.
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2024-03-30 13:49:09	Icedream	That's why the latest version essentially has no functional changes
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2024-03-30 13:49:16	Icedream	I discussed this with #archlinux-security yesterday night
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2024-03-30 13:49:30	Icedream	SSH also does not link against liblzma on Arch Linux
2024-03-30 13:49:36	Scimmia	And even in the case of upstream updating their build system, the payload would have never been injected into the static lib when building on Arch anyway
2024-03-30 13:49:57	Icedream	Arch doesn't have static artifacts from what I know, unless you go AUR I suppose
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2024-03-30 13:50:18	sinbad	So why was the update then if we were never affected?
2024-03-30 13:50:24	xt28	Icedream: And openssh does not include the systemd patch.
2024-03-30 13:50:24	Scimmia	nothing
2024-03-30 13:50:32	Icedream	xt28, as I said.
2024-03-30 13:50:36	Scimmia	It's literally the exact same binary
2024-03-30 13:50:41	xt28	sinbad: Out of an abundance of caution.
2024-03-30 13:50:46	Icedream	Arch Linux was never affected the same way
2024-03-30 13:50:52	Icedream	We just don't know if there was anything *else* done to it
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2024-03-30 13:51:16	Icedream	JiaT can't unfortunately be trusted to not have changed anything about the code that opens other backdoors right now. Or even their PRs to other projects.
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2024-03-30 13:51:23	Icedream	That's what is very concerning about all of this.
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2024-03-30 13:51:37	sinbad	Icedream: that is exactly what I am saying
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2024-03-30 13:51:49	xt28	Icedream: Yes. I am sure people are looking at his commits very closely as we speak.;5;13~
2024-03-30 13:52:05	Icedream	sinbad, just wanted to confirm what we already talked about throughout the last hours
2024-03-30 13:52:06	Scimmia	sinbad: then you have to roll back a few years
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2024-03-30 13:52:33	Icedream	sinbad, the update is a technical change in the PKGBUILD. Build from the git repo instead of the dist tarball.
2024-03-30 13:52:40	Icedream	just in case you want to know exactly what the change was.
2024-03-30 13:52:52	sinbad	so once again, we don't really know yet how arch  was affected.
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2024-03-30 13:53:15	Icedream	Which btw I was thinking of taking the xz package off Arch Linux, reordering the commits so it's on 5.4 again, and maybe put it on the AUR or idk
2024-03-30 13:53:26	Icedream	but I was also told to be cautious of just trying a downgrade rn if there isn't a good reason to
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2024-03-30 13:53:39	Icedream	We're still not even sure if 5.4 is a good idea or whether 5.3 or even 5.2 should be preferred
2024-03-30 13:53:50	sinbad	Icedream: exactly
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2024-03-30 13:54:05	Icedream	which this whole editing a package to downgrade thing gives me strange deja vu
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2024-03-30 13:56:14	Scimmia	new info: https://git.tukaani.org/?p=xz.git;a=commit;h=f9cf4c05edd14dedfe63833f8ccbe41b55823b00
2024-03-30 13:56:15	phrik	Title: git.tukaani.org - xz.git/commit (at git.tukaani.org)
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2024-03-30 13:57:33	Icedream	Scimmia, oh that's nasty
2024-03-30 13:58:16	sinbad	bummer!
2024-03-30 13:58:17	Icedream	interesting to see Lasse becoming active now
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2024-03-30 13:58:27	Icedream	and interesting to see how in other ways this was compromised
2024-03-30 13:58:39	Icedream	making a test C code fail in configure so it never defaults to enabling the feature, sneaky sneaky
2024-03-30 13:58:40	_256	What is this exactly? Why would a compression program use a sandbox?
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2024-03-30 13:58:59	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2024-03-30 13:59:38	Icedream	i gotta read up on what landlock/sandboxing exactly does
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2024-03-30 14:00:30	Icedream	seemingly it's got something to do with writing to stdout?
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2024-03-30 14:00:49	Icedream	https://git.rootprojects.org/root/xz/commit/1238381143a9a7ce84839c2582ccd56ff750a440?lang=de-DE
2024-03-30 14:00:57	Icedream	i know, not the original repo but i'm just googling on a quick one
2024-03-30 14:01:02	Warepire	landlock is a security model in linux, I guess that code snippet was checking if landlock worked?
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2024-03-30 14:02:16	Icedream	                There is limited sandboxing support in the xz tool. If
2024-03-30 14:02:16	Icedream	                built with sandbox support, it's used automatically when
2024-03-30 14:02:16	Icedream	                (de)compressing exactly one file to standard output and
2024-03-30 14:02:16	Icedream	                the options --files or --files0 weren't used.
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2024-03-30 14:03:11	Icedream	Warepire, kinda yea
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2024-03-30 14:04:01	Scimmia	Not much here yet: https://tukaani.org/xz-backdoor/
2024-03-30 14:04:03	phrik	Title: XZ Utils backdoor (at tukaani.org)
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2024-03-30 14:04:42	_256	I don't like the implications of Jia Tan feeling the need to break sandboxing.
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2024-03-30 14:06:26	sinbad	Scimmia: No, but at least "Lasse Collin" started talking.
2024-03-30 14:06:31	Scimmia	exactly
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2024-03-30 14:06:44	Icedream	he's probably catching up with the situation atm
2024-03-30 14:06:47	Icedream	it's good he's active now though
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2024-03-30 14:07:22	Icedream	Unfortunate that he got kicked off GitHub, too, though. Also the page implies xz.tukaani.org will also be moved off GitHub, so I assume he's expecting the repository will not be restored in due time.
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2024-03-30 14:37:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-03-30 14:27:15	mpan	mingdao: simply update to 6.5.1-2, if you are concerned about the backdoor affecting anything other than sshd.
2024-03-30 14:27:23	gromit	mingdao: not running random bash commands that strangers give you also is a good idea
2024-03-30 14:31:39	Scimmia	pkgrel 2 is no different from pkgrel 1 anyway
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2024-03-30 14:42:41	xx	is *all* packaging in archlinux using a git-based workflow? Or can maintainers use something else instead?
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2024-03-30 14:50:18	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-03-30 14:43:40	Namarrgon	the PKGBUILDs are hosted in git repos, if that's what you mean
2024-03-30 14:44:11	xx	partly - are all packages in archlinux built from the PKGBUILDs on git?
2024-03-30 14:44:29	xx	or is there a way for a maintainer to do development and uploads "in secret"?
2024-03-30 14:44:51	xx	such that what's in PKGBUILDs does not correspond to what's actually downloaded to user systems
2024-03-30 14:45:45	gromit	xx: each maintainer could just inject bad stuff in the built package, sign it and ship it 
2024-03-30 14:45:58	Namarrgon	the maintainers build the packages on whatever system they like. technically it's possible for them to smuggle in packages built from different packages to what is in git, yes.
2024-03-30 14:46:01	gromit	xx: thats why we are trying to hard to get our packages to be reproducible 
2024-03-30 14:46:17	Namarrgon	*different PKGBUILDs
2024-03-30 14:46:18	xx	got it, thanks
2024-03-30 14:47:39	Renfield	This is why we can't have nice things, eh?
2024-03-30 14:49:01	AlinConstantin	I love ArchLinux!!!
2024-03-30 14:49:13	Namarrgon	Renfield: eh?
2024-03-30 14:49:26	AlinConstantin	i use archlinux right now
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2024-03-30 14:50:45	Renfield	I just mean we need to worry about nefarious people and rework package builds instead of just making new and better software for the fun of it.
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2024-03-30 14:51:11	Namarrgon	why not both?
2024-03-30 14:51:25	Renfield	Because time is zero-sum.
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2024-03-30 15:01:26	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-03-30 14:52:10	CarloWood	So, is Arch vulnerable to this xz exploit? I have /usr/lib/liblzma.so.5.6.0
2024-03-30 14:52:43	Namarrgon	CarloWood: did you read the news?
2024-03-30 14:53:05	Scimmia	CarloWood: no, and never was
2024-03-30 14:53:08	CarloWood	No, just woke up and read this here on IRC.
2024-03-30 14:53:19	Scimmia	the news is actually incorrect
2024-03-30 14:53:37	Dex2x	So what only mostly debian ? 
2024-03-30 14:53:41	astralc	what was incorrect?
2024-03-30 14:54:05	Scimmia	astralc: the payload was never even included. At the time of the news, it was assumed that it was
2024-03-30 14:54:41	Scimmia	and just couldn't be triggered
2024-03-30 14:54:54	Dex2x	but arch still uses the code that some 700+ commits from the bad actor 
2024-03-30 14:55:17	Scimmia	yep, and that's all still in question
2024-03-30 14:55:42	Dex2x	What is dependant on xz though ?
2024-03-30 14:55:57	Scimmia	see the package page on archlinux.com
2024-03-30 14:56:01	Scimmia	er, archlinux.org
2024-03-30 14:57:12	CarloWood	I read up on it and it doesn't look like the work of a single person... more like a serious attempt by some group to get a backdoor to linux?
2024-03-30 14:57:24	Dex2x	That is a lot of packages 
2024-03-30 14:57:39	Dex2x	linux for make, systemd, bind, elfuitls 
2024-03-30 14:57:45	Dex2x	gdb
2024-03-30 14:58:48	Renfield	Can we switch to 7zip?
2024-03-30 14:59:24	AlinConstantin	7zip is the best
2024-03-30 15:01:07	CarloWood	Yeah, I think that after discovering and removing a bug from liblzma and revoking all access by the person that distributed it, going all panic mode and switching to 7zip is the most rational cause of action.
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2024-03-30 15:02:00	CarloWood	Anyway, I blame the Russians, or China, or the CIA... no a single person :/.
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2024-03-30 15:02:18	andreyv	The author of 7-Zip uses ancient compilers and refuses to enable security features, so don't place your hopes too high.
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2024-03-30 15:02:29	Renfield	I see.
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2024-03-30 15:02:33	Murray7501	CarloWood: yeah this smells of hostile goverment tactics
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2024-03-30 15:12:16	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-03-30 15:03:23	Dex2x	andreyv, oh really? well ... f@#$%
2024-03-30 15:03:45	phrik	Title: XZ Utils backdoor (at tukaani.org)
2024-03-30 15:03:49	Murray7501	we used to use gzip for packages but apparently xz is that much better
2024-03-30 15:04:38	CarloWood	Oh oh... ldconfig: /usr/lib/libomp.so is not a symbolic link
2024-03-30 15:04:42	CarloWood	when upgrading
2024-03-30 15:04:57	Renfield	Seems someone got a hold of Mr. Collin. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes right now.
2024-03-30 15:05:30	Murray7501	CarloWood: I got ldconfig errors after a pacman -Syu killed Xorg for me and I rebooted, I had to restore from backup
2024-03-30 15:05:39	Xogium	I mean arch is using zstd for package and has been for at least a year if not more
2024-03-30 15:06:29	gromit	CarloWood: could you post the full output? 
2024-03-30 15:06:33	gromit	!give CarloWood rs
2024-03-30 15:06:34	phrik	CarloWood: <command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2024-03-30 15:07:48	CarloWood	gromit: only the last 1000 lines - the rest went off my scroll-back.
2024-03-30 15:08:08	CarloWood	(I was running 'sudo pacman -Syu')
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2024-03-30 15:24:08	dareme7	Icedream: found the solution to my problem from yesterday
2024-03-30 15:24:08	CarloWood	More news here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39866275
2024-03-30 15:24:10	phrik	Title: Very annoying - the apparent author of the backdoor was in communication with me... | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com)
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2024-03-30 15:24:38	WhyNotHugo	Given that the mkinitcpio can be compressed with zstd,gzip,bzip2,lzma,xz,lzop,lz4, does this mean that the kernel itself implements decompressing all these algorithms?
2024-03-30 15:24:48	Tom^	WhyNotHugo: yep
2024-03-30 15:25:13	CarloWood	Apparently Jia Tan has been actively trying to convince Fedora to use 5.6.0 - and to "fix" valgrind that got triggered by the backdoor.
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2024-03-30 15:25:27	dareme7	Icedream: enabling the service is not enough, you need to reach the target that triggers it (in this case network-online.target), which nobody was asking for. Made sshd want network-online.target and it now starts at the right time!
2024-03-30 15:25:33	MacGyver	How realistic is throwing the bathwater out, and will any babies go with it if we do?
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2024-03-30 15:25:43	⚡ 	WhyNotHugo wonder if the kernel REALLY needs 8 different compression methods or if it's not just pointless attack surface.
2024-03-30 15:26:01	mpan	WhyNotHugo: you only use one, at most.
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2024-03-30 15:26:14	MacGyver	That is, is the xz project and any of its libraries a critical unreplacable part of Arch or systems in general?
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2024-03-30 15:26:51	WhyNotHugo	I know I can only use one at most, but the added maintainence baggage and extra code/infra still exists upstream.
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2024-03-30 15:27:16	Earnestly	MacGyver: nope
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2024-03-30 15:29:14	Icedream	dareme7, oh lol
2024-03-30 15:29:24	Icedream	but then again ssh can run without the networks being up
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2024-03-30 15:29:40	Icedream	i guess that makes sense, kinda "optimizes" out waiting for a thing that isn't necessary lol
2024-03-30 15:29:46	Icedream	it's not a bug, it's a feature!
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2024-03-30 15:30:37	Icedream	WhyNotHugo, it's more of a historical thing I think
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2024-03-30 15:30:47	Icedream	the newer algorithms maybe a matter of choice
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2024-03-30 15:31:22	dareme7	Icedream: true, it's interesting to understand the only reason "enabling" most services make them start at boot is because they (indirectly) are wanted by graphical.target
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2024-03-30 15:31:35	dareme7	it feels a bit weird e.g that sshd.service is required for multi-user.target
2024-03-30 15:31:55	CarloWood	MacGyver: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mingw-w64-xz is probably vulnerable too at the moment.
2024-03-30 15:31:56	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - mingw-w64-xz (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-30 15:32:09	dareme7	Icedream: for some reason sshd was failing if I didn't wait for network-online.target, not sure why
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2024-03-30 15:32:33	xt28	Doesn’t the kernel also use compression for modules? Or is the decompression done by modprobe/insmod?
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2024-03-30 15:36:24	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-30 15:36:25	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1450 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1449 regular)
2024-03-30 15:34:36	demonicmaniac1	WhyNotHugo: MacGyver: to be fair before zstd extreme existed xz was the "only" sane choice for very high compression with good decompression speed compared to gzip/bzip and lzop/lz4 are really not compression at all for size constraints
2024-03-30 15:36:25	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-30 15:36:52	andreyv	demonicmaniac1: Does zstd compare to xz -9e even now?
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2024-03-30 15:37:21	demonicmaniac1	andreyv: at maximum compression yes there's a reason arch moved to zstd from xz
2024-03-30 15:37:49	andreyv	demonicmaniac1: Also xz has x86/etc. filters to further compress binary code; zstd doesn't seem to
2024-03-30 15:38:28	demonicmaniac1	there's a large thread in the ml where zstd different compression settings were compared and speed/size vs xz
2024-03-30 15:38:31	gromit	https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/arch-dev-public@lists.archlinux.org/thread/7XDNQ3K4JIMDSHP4SFBPGGSRX3WSPPU2/#TJ54T4PTHBFCKSNCPZJKVWROMDJW5ENU
2024-03-30 15:38:34	phrik	Title: [arch-dev-public] RFC: (devtools) Changing default compression method to zstd - Arch-dev-public - lists.archlinux.org (at lists.archlinux.org)
2024-03-30 15:38:49	gromit	But thats old :d 
2024-03-30 15:39:54	andreyv	gromit: Looks like that compares xz default only, which is -6
2024-03-30 15:40:29	demonicmaniac1	andreyv: it also uses 18 and not 20+ for speed reasons vs size tradeoff
2024-03-30 15:40:32	demonicmaniac1	for zstd
2024-03-30 15:41:16	demonicmaniac1	tho to be fair xz -9e does compress a little better than zstd --ultra -22 still
2024-03-30 15:41:45	demonicmaniac1	it's just "close enough" to make the way faster compression/decompression and multithreaded reproducible compression worth it
2024-03-30 15:42:25	MacGyver	And since it *is* close enough, it should be feasible to replace all uses of xz with zstd; is there an alternative untainted xz-implementation?
2024-03-30 15:42:27	andreyv	I'll need to compare xz --x86 -9e to zstd max settings
2024-03-30 15:43:01	MacGyver	Basically my question is "Is there an untainted replacement either in tools supporting the xz format or in a different format altogether."
2024-03-30 15:43:10	demonicmaniac1	MacGyver: technically 7z is lzma2 algo based but not using xz utils i think?
2024-03-30 15:43:29	demonicmaniac1	so while not xz there is the 7z lzma2
2024-03-30 15:43:31	Tom^	p7zip :>
2024-03-30 15:44:04	Tom^	im down to only a few of kde packages linking towards liblzma.so trying to figure out why
2024-03-30 15:44:23	andreyv	zstd is also not so universally installed as xz is.
2024-03-30 15:44:41	xt28	it is on arch
2024-03-30 15:45:29	demonicmaniac1	dunno it is now pretty much with also browsers adopting it over gz for content compression and ofc kernel support and filesystem compression support. i'd say since the last 1 or 2 years it's gotten to the point of replacing everything
2024-03-30 15:46:07	MacGyver	andreyv: That doesn't matter, what matters if it *can* be.
2024-03-30 15:46:20	MacGyver	The same once held true for xz.
2024-03-30 15:47:24	MacGyver	andreyv: And with a "potentially state-actor compromise" lighting the fire under everyone's butts, it should be fairly easy to achieve for maintained software people actually use.
2024-03-30 15:47:29	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-30 15:47:30	greentail	The xz vulnerability is only relevant for highly-targeted people, like journalists and stuff? Or should lay persons also be worried about it?  
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2024-03-30 15:48:56	Scimmia	greentail: hard to say what the objective was. Could easily be setting up a botnet
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2024-03-30 15:49:17	andreyv	MacGyver: I think this misses the point. Switching from one project to another means nothing. All projects can be compromised when faced with such a sophisticated attack.
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2024-03-30 15:50:02	andreyv	In fact, for all we know they might be, and this is just one attack that didn't go through
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2024-03-30 15:50:25	MacGyver	andreyv: And therefore you suggest sticking with the known-compromised option?
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2024-03-30 15:50:44	MacGyver	andreyv: I mean, if you're advocating for swearing off computers altogether -- sure.
2024-03-30 15:50:49	MacGyver	Software was a mistake.
2024-03-30 15:51:03	andreyv	I can agree with that ^
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2024-03-30 15:51:21	MacGyver	But right now we have more reason than average to mistrust the xz project.
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2024-03-30 15:52:13	MacGyver	My question is plainly, how bound are we to that project? Must there be a huge effort to excise the good from the bad, or can we just move to another thing that we are using *anyway*.
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2024-03-30 15:53:16	andreyv	MacGyver: I think a good approach is to avoid overreacting and fix the current issue. Then evaluate a broader picture. Fixing the current one means downgrading to xz from two years ago; might not be trivial but surely doable. Some other distros are already on it.
2024-03-30 15:53:25	Tom^	i currently have kernel stripped out of xz, took a few things to remove. down to userspace mostly just kde left thats linked towards it
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2024-03-30 15:53:32	Tom^	MacGyver: so it seems possible
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2024-03-30 15:53:41	MacGyver	Tom^: Good to know, so the nuclear option *is* available.
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2024-03-30 15:53:50	Tom^	MacGyver: with some manhandling, somewhat yes
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2024-03-30 15:54:19	Tom^	kde being a big offender here tho still
2024-03-30 15:54:20	mpan	MacGyver: given that the attacker also tried something with zstd and lz4, do you also suggest removing support for these?
2024-03-30 15:54:34	andreyv	If Linux was compromised in such a way, would people advocat switching to BSD?
2024-03-30 15:54:38	Metroid	remove systemd too
2024-03-30 15:55:20	drathir_tor	Metroid: ^ sign upon that good idea };>
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2024-03-30 15:55:37	MacGyver	andreyv: Some people might; I'd argue that that's a clear case where the huge excising the good from the bad is the only option.
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2024-03-30 15:56:16	MacGyver	mpan: "something" and "almost all commits over the past two years" is quite a different starting point.
2024-03-30 15:56:42	mpan	MacGyver: is it that weird for a project, that otherwise needs no maintenance?
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2024-03-30 15:57:01	mpan	And no, they didn’t open PRs for lz4 or zstd. Otherwise it could’ve been these.
2024-03-30 15:57:05	MacGyver	mpan: It's about 800 commits from last count.
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2024-03-30 15:57:17	mpan	MacGyver: out of which how many are malicious?
2024-03-30 15:57:28	MacGyver	mpan: We don't know yet. That's part of the huge excision effort.
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2024-03-30 15:58:01	mpan	So perhaps wait with decisions until we actually know something.
2024-03-30 15:58:06	MacGyver	...
2024-03-30 15:58:09	MacGyver	How about you people read?
2024-03-30 15:58:20	MacGyver	At no point did I say "we must do this".
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2024-03-30 15:58:33	MacGyver	I asked how realistic the option would be.
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2024-03-30 15:58:49	MacGyver	Because I don't know how reliant on the xz project we are.
2024-03-30 15:59:02	MacGyver	And somehow everyone immediately hears "we should do that".
2024-03-30 15:59:04	Earnestly	MacGyver: I get you, a lot of people are defensive about this. There are others toying with removing xz in practice just to see if it's possible (for fun)
2024-03-30 15:59:15	Tom^	<--
2024-03-30 15:59:17	Tom^	:D
2024-03-30 15:59:19	Earnestly	Yep
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2024-03-30 15:59:49	xt28	andreyv: I agree that it feels necessary to look at the broader picture. It isn’t so much about this one project, but about the vulnerabilities in our processes of software development and distribution that enabled this attack.
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2024-03-30 15:59:55	mpan	MacGyver: given the choir of voices to remove xz with roots from wherever possible, it’s hard to interpret your question otherwise.
2024-03-30 16:00:14	Earnestly	mpan: But it's MacGyver, not a random voice from a choir
2024-03-30 16:00:18	Tom^	whats really odd tho, stripped lzma from libarchive, kwin_wayland still reports as linked towards liblzma even tho nothing in the cmake or build process should even remotely use it
2024-03-30 16:00:18	mpan	:o
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2024-03-30 16:00:24	mpan	!check if MacGyver is a random voice in a choir
2024-03-30 16:00:25	phrik	Testing if MacGyver is a random voice in a choir: [FAIL]
2024-03-30 16:00:25	Tom^	bleh
2024-03-30 16:00:31	mpan	Ok, then I rest my arms.
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2024-03-30 16:00:56	⚡ 	mpan will assume, for the time being, it was just a neutral, technical question.
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2024-03-30 16:01:15	Earnestly	Yes, exactly
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2024-03-30 16:01:46	Earnestly	Tom^: Try lddtree, it might not be directly linked but pulled in by something else
2024-03-30 16:02:10	Earnestly	NetSysFire: You'll get tired of it because you're here to see it, this will happen for any topical event, you just need to get used to it
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2024-03-30 16:02:47	mpan	Meanwhile Arch still has no database singing and I see no choirs about that. :)
2024-03-30 16:02:56	Earnestly	My repo does \o/
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2024-03-30 16:03:18	Earnestly	Or did, I don't use one atm
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2024-03-30 16:04:17	drathir_tor	Earnestly: ++ myself sign repo and packages for local usage as well...
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2024-03-30 16:04:29	⚡ 	mpan rolls a tasty cookie to MacGyver: here, take this as an apology if that was indeed a honest, technical, neutral question.
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2024-03-30 16:04:46	⚡ 	mpan misinterpreted.
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2024-03-30 16:05:13	Earnestly	I forget why Arch doesn't sign repos yet because it's really trivial for one-man, one-key setups
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2024-03-30 16:06:31	Earnestly	for all pkgs, gpg -u keyuser ... pkg; repo-add -s -k keyuser -R -n repo.db.tar.gz pkgs...
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2024-03-30 16:06:54	mpan	Earnestly: IIRC it’s because it’s the server that would have to do so. And anybody having access to the server would be able to sign anything this way.
2024-03-30 16:06:55	Earnestly	(where pkgs is tar and sig)
2024-03-30 16:07:09	mpan	But will have to wait for others to confirm, if my memory isn’t rusty.
2024-03-30 16:07:18	Earnestly	Hmm
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2024-03-30 16:07:39	badsektor	whats this xz business?
2024-03-30 16:07:42	xt28	mpan: What problem would be solved by database signing? I guess an attacker could prevent a specific package from being updated. Are there other issues?
2024-03-30 16:07:46	mpan	!give badsektor xzvuln
2024-03-30 16:07:47	phrik	badsektor: You are likely safe. Adviced to update to 5.6.1-2 if you didn’t yet. Details: https://archlinux.org/news/the-xz-package-has-been-backdoored/
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2024-03-30 16:08:28	drathir_tor	yea lucky repo-add made it easy...
2024-03-30 16:08:43	mpan	xt28: blocking package update (or otherwise forcing an older version), not presenting the package at all.
2024-03-30 16:08:49	Earnestly	mpan: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:Repo_DB_Signing well well, seems up to date
2024-03-30 16:08:50	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:Repo DB Signing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-30 16:09:42	mpan	xt28: that’s really a bit more than signing database, because what has to be signed is also “no updates” signal, if present.
2024-03-30 16:09:42	xt28	mpan: That’s basically what I thought. Thanks!
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2024-03-30 16:10:22	Earnestly	mpan: How bad would it be if the signer provides their keyuser to the server to sign stuff on their behalf?
2024-03-30 16:10:26	Earnestly	No private keys stored
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2024-03-30 16:10:40	Earnestly	Where keyuser is gpg --with-colons -k --with-keygrip "$keyfpr" | awk -F: '$1 == "uid" {print $10}'
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2024-03-30 16:10:59	mpan	Earnestly: merely providing public key: nothing. But you can’t sign with a public key.
2024-03-30 16:11:00	Earnestly	By loading the key into a gpg-agent
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2024-03-30 16:11:38	mpan	(-k ≠ -K :P)
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2024-03-30 16:11:48	Earnestly	mpan: The way I did it was by if ! gpg -dq "${XDG_DATA_HOME:-$HOME/.local/share}"/secrets/gpg/"$keyuser" | /usr/lib/gnupg/gpg-preset-passphrase --preset "$keygrip"; then
2024-03-30 16:11:58	xt28	mpan: Sorry, I didn’t understand the part about a “no updates” signal. Isn’t that what I would get if the server I use stopped syncing?
2024-03-30 16:11:59	mpan	With private key: anybody having access to the server is theoretically capable of using that key to sign anything.
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2024-03-30 16:12:13	mpan	xt28: yes.
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2024-03-30 16:12:20	Earnestly	mpan: But with this the private key doesn't need to be on the server, only temporarily in gpg-agent
2024-03-30 16:12:28	mpan	Earnestly: then it is on the server.
2024-03-30 16:13:02	Earnestly	Hm, okay if the limit is in all forms, then fair enough
2024-03-30 16:13:13	CarloWood	My guess is that this exploit is a combination of a "tool kit" that the hacker(s) used.  And the part where it injects stuff in the got is most worrisome. I.e. the part that I read about why sshd was getting 0.5 seconds slower during start up because it was resolving symbols prior to the GOT becoming read-only.
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2024-03-30 16:13:22	Earnestly	I'm not sure that's totally reasonable though but perhaps there are better ways
2024-03-30 16:13:31	slateroth	Hola; i can't poweroff/reboot. https://paste.linux.chat/?9412094d5a1cdda4#ECLM7WELuqRZKcvEdafw246GcGM3e2N1ZYp2cVGj8Y4Y I've tried changing kernel, removing nvidia modules (i don't have nvidia card) and changing boot params with reboot=bios or reboot=acpi but nothing worked; this is frustrating; any suggestion?
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2024-03-30 16:13:33	phrik	Title: Linux.Chat PrivateBin (at paste.linux.chat)
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2024-03-30 16:13:34	CarloWood	Surely it must be possible to detect if other executables use the same method.
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2024-03-30 16:13:44	Earnestly	mpan: I mean all the solutions here pretty much do that, just have a different server do it
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2024-03-30 16:13:53	greentail	CarloWood, what's the "GOT"?  
2024-03-30 16:13:58	lash	is this an issue in arch? e.g. when i build packages xz is the result https://duo.com/decipher/red-hat-warns-of-malicious-code-in-xz-utils
2024-03-30 16:13:59	phrik	Title: Red Hat, CISA Warn of XZ Utils Backdoor | Decipher (at duo.com)
2024-03-30 16:14:04	mpan	Earnestly: the problem would be partially resolved with pacman having two keyrings. One for packages, one for databases.
2024-03-30 16:14:10	Namarrgon	slateroth: that paste is not available
2024-03-30 16:14:11	andreyv	A bit offtopic about signing. Why does Arch need all these /etc/pacman.d/gnupg services and sockets when it really should have been a package with keys? Make it so that it needs to be installed before others.
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2024-03-30 16:14:26	mpan	Earnestly: then at least the path between the server and the recipient is secured. Which is better than nothing.
2024-03-30 16:14:31	CarloWood	greenbagels: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Offset_Table
2024-03-30 16:14:31	phrik	Title: Global Offset Table - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2024-03-30 16:14:36	slateroth	!paste
2024-03-30 16:14:37	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-03-30 16:14:52	greentail	CarloWood, thank you
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2024-03-30 16:15:13	Namarrgon	andreyv: pacman is using gnupg for the verification
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2024-03-30 16:15:23	Earnestly	mpan: What about a service that signs with its own auth mechanism for people using it?
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2024-03-30 16:15:45	mpan	Earnestly: not sure if I get the question.
2024-03-30 16:15:46	Scimmia	!give lash lzmavuln
2024-03-30 16:15:46	phrik	lash: BLEEP BLOOP
2024-03-30 16:15:53	mpan	xzvuln
2024-03-30 16:15:57	Scimmia	!give lash liblzmavuln
2024-03-30 16:15:58	phrik	lash: While Arch Linux is unaffected by the exploit caused by the backdoor, it is still there. Update RIGHT NOW. Also see https://gist.github.com/thesamesam/223949d5a074ebc3dce9ee78baad9e27 and https://archlinux.org/news/the-xz-package-has-been-backdoored/
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2024-03-30 16:16:00	Namarrgon	andreyv: all the additional services and sockets are an attempt to make the whole process less painful
2024-03-30 16:16:01	slateroth	Namarrgon: http://0x0.st/XzNI.txt
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2024-03-30 16:17:06	lash	@phrik thanks wow this is big
2024-03-30 16:17:14	xt28	Why are there two different phrik messages about this potential vulnerability, notably different in tone?
2024-03-30 16:17:19	Namarrgon	slateroth: did poweroff/reboot work before you added the acpi_osi kernel parameter?
2024-03-30 16:17:19	_256	phrik is a bot.
2024-03-30 16:17:20	andreyv	Namarrgon: It doesn't feel right to me when I see random services being started and then sitting in the process list. The keys are used during package installation, so that's the time when they should be updated.
2024-03-30 16:17:20	phrik	Likely true!
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2024-03-30 16:17:35	drathir_tor	!botsnack
2024-03-30 16:17:35	@EMIYA	:D
2024-03-30 16:17:35	phrik	Don't eat me! I have a wife and children! Eat them instead!
2024-03-30 16:17:39	mpan	xt28: because they were created at a different time.
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2024-03-30 16:17:56	slateroth	Namarrgon: it worked until don't know what to be honest... one day it stopped working; i tried booting withou acpi_osi kernel param and still goes in error
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2024-03-30 16:18:02	drathir_tor	phrik: You good... ;D
2024-03-30 16:18:02	phrik	drathir_tor: NO, YOU good... ;D
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2024-03-30 16:18:09	Namarrgon	andreyv: they aren't random, you're just not familiar with what they do
2024-03-30 16:18:17	lash	@Scimmia thanks wow this is big
2024-03-30 16:18:25	Namarrgon	slateroth: have you tested the lts kernel?
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2024-03-30 16:18:29	mpan	xt28: one was created to let people see with their own eyes, what’s the situation (NetSysFire’s). The other was created after the official announcement was made (mine).
2024-03-30 16:18:35	andreyv	Namarrgon: In other words, Pacman should manage the keys, not the system
2024-03-30 16:18:36	xt28	mpan: Can’t these messages be updated? (Sorry, I am not too familiar with the bot.)
2024-03-30 16:18:40	Namarrgon	slateroth: it would help if you could narrow it down to a specific update
2024-03-30 16:18:54	mpan	xt28: they can. But do they need it? :D
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2024-03-30 16:19:14	Namarrgon	andreyv: you're welcome to bring up your ideas to the pacman developers
2024-03-30 16:19:16	slateroth	Namarrgon: i've tried standard linux and linux-zen; gonna try lts as well; hold on 5 mins, i'm gonna reboot this laptop... bad idea joining irc from laptop i'm gonna trobleshoot
2024-03-30 16:19:18	andreyv	Namarrgon: Well, is it documented anywhere? Are new users expecting to see these services running on their computer?
2024-03-30 16:19:18	_256	Well, one of them has a typo (adviced).
2024-03-30 16:19:36	lash	respect! https://x.com/vxunderground/status/1774071339671794134?s=46
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2024-03-30 16:19:43	mpan	andreyv: the keyring is pacman’s own separate keyring.
2024-03-30 16:19:49	Namarrgon	andreyv: there's a bajillion other services running on your system that you don't know about yet
2024-03-30 16:19:51	MacGyver	But don't let that idea be a priority update for the keyring, because support for that was removed from pacman with good reason.
2024-03-30 16:20:02	andreyv	Namarrgon: I know everything that is running on my system
2024-03-30 16:20:03	xt28	mpan: Well, now it kinda depends on chance which message people get. lash was just given the older message.
2024-03-30 16:20:16	mpan	xt28: they are both accurate.
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2024-03-30 16:20:26	MacGyver	andreyv: Basically, what you are asking for is a return to the situation where we have to regularly tell people to `pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su`.
2024-03-30 16:20:42	MacGyver	I'm glad this is automated for most people now.
2024-03-30 16:20:43	_256	andreyv: How many processes do you have running? I can't even imagine understanding every process on mine (yet).
2024-03-30 16:20:47	Namarrgon	andreyv: i have some bad news for you
2024-03-30 16:20:51	andreyv	MacGyver: Correct, but just make Pacman do it automatically
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2024-03-30 16:21:12	MacGyver	andreyv: That would be reintroducing the priority update mechanism that was explicitly removed from pacman.
2024-03-30 16:21:29	MacGyver	andreyv: Feel free to pitch this idea to pacman developers for the umpteenth time.
2024-03-30 16:21:29	xt28	mpan: I mean “You should update RIGHT NOW” is different from “You are probably fine,” even if both things can be true at the same time.
2024-03-30 16:21:33	mpan	xt28: in the end you are told to update and linked to the news article.
2024-03-30 16:21:34	greentail	MacGyver, wait, when did we stop having to tell people to run that archlinux-keyring? I mean, you used the word "return", as if we had stopped doing so. Yet I see it on the description of this channel. 
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2024-03-30 16:21:49	MacGyver	greentail: It's *much* less frequent with the keyring timer than it used to be.
2024-03-30 16:21:51	mpan	xt28: yes, people differ in how they react to things.
2024-03-30 16:21:55	andreyv	MacGyver: Indeed I did some time ago, the issue got closed without meaningful comments
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2024-03-30 16:22:26	mpan	xt28: neither of these are “official” from Arch project. It’s just regulars, who talk here, created them for their own convenience. It’s hard to type the same thing for each person asking the question.
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2024-03-30 16:22:57	xt28	mpan: I understand.
2024-03-30 16:23:16	haritz	Hi, I've noticed that after an update, on firefox, holding the delete key down doesn't remove many characters in succession
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2024-03-30 16:23:25	haritz	that's a weird bug, what would be the right place to report it? 
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2024-03-30 16:24:09	mpan	haritz: first check if it’s not your input method interfering (if using any). Also, is the key working elsewhere?
2024-03-30 16:24:09	_256	Does that only happen on Firefox and nothing else?
2024-03-30 16:24:12	greentail	haritz, oh my god. I thought it was a problem of my keyboard. Thank you so much for bringing this up!   
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2024-03-30 16:25:04	mpan	(for the record: 134.0.1-1, no issues with the delete key)
2024-03-30 16:25:11	greentail	mpan, it's been happening to me too. It started 3 or 4 days ago, IIRC.  
2024-03-30 16:25:16	espresso	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ if indeed firefox
2024-03-30 16:25:17	phrik	Title: Bugzilla Main Page (at bugzilla.mozilla.org)
2024-03-30 16:25:28	mpan	*124 !! :)
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2024-03-30 16:26:08	greentail	_256, yeah, it happens only on Firefox and nothing else. I just tried the backspace and delete key on Hexchat and it works totally fine  
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2024-03-30 16:26:16	mpan	Also confirm it’s Firefox itself (e.g. by testing in the search/address bar or — if you know how — some plain HTML form) and not a webapp.
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2024-03-30 16:27:32	slateroth	the error is still there with LTS kernel
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2024-03-30 16:27:36	andreyv	_256: I have a long list of things to check regularly: installed packages, enabled system services/timers/sockets, user services, startup items, running processes, journal contents etc. Once in a while I go though it and clean up everything that's out of order.
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2024-03-30 16:30:13	slateroth	Namarrgon with LTS kernel i still have the issue FYI
2024-03-30 16:30:30	greentail	andreyv, somewhat related. I have another problem with some websites. The websites of Amazon and Outlook return "sorry, we couldn't find this page". It always happens. It solves itself after 5 minutes of refreshing the website. But then the next day the problem comes back again. It's only those two websites. What could be the problem? What should I do?  
2024-03-30 16:30:48	greentail	That problem happen with both Firefox and Chromium. 
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2024-03-30 16:46:59	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-30 16:47:00	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1454 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1453 regular)
2024-03-30 16:46:39	novns	and no compression, it's 1000 times faster
2024-03-30 16:46:41	slateroth	Namarrgon just FYI it was due to TLP; don't know what it was doing but apparently disabling it has solved not only powerOff/reboot problem but also another problem i was experiencing with USB. TLP has now a new powerful enemy (myself)... thanks a lot for your support, really appreciated
2024-03-30 16:46:54	greentail	gromit, zstd is from Facebook
2024-03-30 16:47:00	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-30 16:47:08	xt28	novns, solsTiCe: ldd is a shell script that invokes the dynamic linker with certain environment variables set (notably LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS).
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2024-03-30 16:47:29	Scimmia	lash: Default change in June 2020 https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/pacman/-/commit/1fc31eb2693ac7057b4e412b8513fc84a63799f2
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2024-03-30 16:47:31	phrik	Title: upstream update (1fc31eb2) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / pacman · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-30 16:49:46	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-30 16:49:46	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1452 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1451 regular)
2024-03-30 16:48:21	vikn	Hi all, I am setting up an old computer as a server. Does anyone have a recommendation for a nice, light-weight IRC bouncer?
2024-03-30 16:48:55	BrainDamage	znc is quite featureful, I don't remember having any load issues
2024-03-30 16:49:00	lash	Scimmia: thanks
2024-03-30 16:49:13	greentail	Scimmia, why did we switch from xz to zstd in 2020?  
2024-03-30 16:49:23	demonicmaniac1	greentail: performance
2024-03-30 16:49:46	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-03-30 16:49:59	gromit	greentail: i've posted the link to the thread earlier https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/arch-dev-public@lists.archlinux.org/thread/7XDNQ3K4JIMDSHP4SFBPGGSRX3WSPPU2/#TJ54T4PTHBFCKSNCPZJKVWROMDJW5ENU
2024-03-30 16:50:03	phrik	Title: [arch-dev-public] RFC: (devtools) Changing default compression method to zstd - Arch-dev-public - lists.archlinux.org (at lists.archlinux.org)
2024-03-30 16:50:05	drathir_tor	vikn: ssh+irssi on server is reasonable light...
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2024-03-30 16:50:32	gromit	vikn: I'm also using ZNC 
2024-03-30 16:50:37	lash	serendipity i think, have a laptop whose monitor is departing from the rest, needed to move to an identical model and was contemplating installing for scratch. this locked it in.
2024-03-30 16:51:13	teraflops	weechat relay here for years
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2024-03-30 16:51:43	teraflops	slateroth: IMO powertop is enough
2024-03-30 16:52:09	greentail	What does the following output mean? Does it mean that I'm not using systemd-resolved?  ;  https://bpa.st/MQQQ  
2024-03-30 16:52:11	phrik	Title: View paste MQQQ (at bpa.st)
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2024-03-30 16:52:24	vikn	Thank you all for your input! I have some terms to research.
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2024-03-30 16:53:06	slateroth	teraflops i'm gonna give a look at powertop; afaik it was meant for metering only not for tweaking settings, isn't it?
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2024-03-30 16:53:18	vikn	Psi-Jack: What do you mean about the WeeChat relay?
2024-03-30 16:53:21	slateroth	Is wiki down? I can reach it
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2024-03-30 16:53:27	teraflops	it tweaks a lot of things
2024-03-30 16:53:39	slateroth	gonna try it so
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2024-03-30 16:53:50	gromit	slateroth: yeah we're currently dealing with an outage due to errors in the DB 
2024-03-30 16:54:41	greentail	slateroth, the wiki is down yes
2024-03-30 16:54:52	novns	greentail, systemctl status systemd-resolved.service
2024-03-30 16:55:09	slateroth	oook folks, thanks gromit greentail; now i have a new fear unlocked, wiki down while installing on a fresh machine ahhaha
2024-03-30 16:55:13	novns	is it active?
2024-03-30 16:55:33	vikn	It seems to me that here and on the web ZNC is the standard, but it describes itself as 'feature-rich' and is written in C++ so 'light-weight' may not be the right word.
2024-03-30 16:55:45	drathir_tor	Psi-Jack:  but if You start irssi inside tmux possible use to it You even could connect to it from different devices at same time... only disadvantage required to learn few commands to manage tmux and irssi... but yea fair point there probably less hassle solutions around... ;)
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2024-03-30 16:55:56	greentail	novns, https://bpa.st/QCGA  
2024-03-30 16:55:57	phrik	Title: View paste QCGA (at bpa.st)
2024-03-30 16:56:13	novns	vikn, why?
2024-03-30 16:56:22	Namarrgon	slateroth: weird, but thanks for the info
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2024-03-30 16:56:29	novns	greentail, inactive (dead), disabled
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2024-03-30 16:56:38	teraflops	Psi-Jack: are you talking about weechat relay mode? 
2024-03-30 16:56:42	novns	greentail, you are not running it
2024-03-30 16:56:44	greentail	novns, should I enable it?  
2024-03-30 16:56:49	novns	yes
2024-03-30 16:56:55	novns	if you want to use it
2024-03-30 16:57:10	vikn	novns: I am being snobish, in a perfect world I would have ran a benchmark before saying that ;p
2024-03-30 16:57:15	teraflops	pff
2024-03-30 16:57:22	greentail	novns, I want to read the wiki but it's down. What is systemd-resolved useful for?  
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2024-03-30 16:57:26	andreyv	BTW, not trying to flame, but consider these edge cases: 1. The machine is booted for the first time in months and pacman update is run. The keyring timer didn't manage to run yet. 2. The timer triggers while pacman is installing packages. 3. The user is installing packages from an older mirror, but the timer syncs the current keys. Are all these cases handled? The core problem is that this
2024-03-30 16:57:26	andreyv	process is separated from pacman and repository state.
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2024-03-30 16:57:46	espresso	greentail: DNS resolution
2024-03-30 16:58:06	novns	greentail, it resolves hostnames for you, DNS, local virtual machines, etc
2024-03-30 16:58:13	greentail	espresso, so that means everybody should install it, right? 
2024-03-30 16:58:25	espresso	greentail: there are choices
2024-03-30 16:58:48	greentail	is it OK if I run the following? `sudo systemctl start systemd-resolved`
2024-03-30 16:58:50	novns	greentail, you can just add nameservers of your ISP to resolve.conf, and that's it
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2024-03-30 16:59:47	vikn	About the IRC thing, I use 'srain' (GUI) on my Linux desktop. I was wondering if I could plug in a little program on my server so the messages get saved even when my desktop is off.
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2024-03-30 16:59:54	vikn	It would be cool if there was a niche but decently documented C thing that I could support with my usage.
2024-03-30 17:00:09	vikn	A bit like radicale instead of NextCloud etc.
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2024-03-30 17:00:29	vikn	Ah well, maybe I should just stick to ZNC.
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2024-03-30 17:00:44	novns	vikn, bouncers like Znc can do logging
2024-03-30 17:00:53	greentail	novns, I just checked my resolv.conf, and I see two lines, which I don't remember putting there. How can I find what the nameservers of my ISP are?
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2024-03-30 17:01:42	novns	greentail, you don't need to if your DHCP client updates resolv.conf for you
2024-03-30 17:01:56	novns	and they usually do
2024-03-30 17:01:59	vikn	Perhaps I guess I'll just go for ZNC then!
2024-03-30 17:02:12	drathir_tor	andreyv: pacman would try retrive unknown keys from keyring after -Syu download packages at verify time... You also can (even if probably nod advised to do so) pacman -Syuw when goes to downloading keys and report broken packages answer no for all ctrl+c could works too, abut it could left pacman lock present and after that do pacman -S archlinux-keyring wait for install and after install pacman
2024-03-30 17:02:18	drathir_tor	-Syu should pass w/o errors...
2024-03-30 17:02:24	vikn	Psi-Jack: Why a 'meh' to Radicale? :p
2024-03-30 17:02:50	vikn	NextCloud is nice but it's this whole PHP enterprise-level monster.
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2024-03-30 17:03:05	novns	vikn, the proper word is radicalistismic
2024-03-30 17:03:30	vikn	alistismic?
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2024-03-30 17:03:41	vikn	novns: I think I am missing the pun xD
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2024-03-30 17:04:08	drathir_tor	andreyv: also You most likely not able install from desynced mirror, bc or dependencies conflicts...
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2024-03-30 17:04:39	drathir_tor	or/of*
2024-03-30 17:04:50	vikn	Psi-Jack: I am still considering NextCloud because it seems there are no proper alternatives, it's just that it sounds fun to start with something small and then switch to bigger things once I hit the limits.
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2024-03-30 17:05:24	greentail	gromit, what errors in the DB? Is it a bug?  
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2024-03-30 17:05:57	Shapeshifter	So, the wiki is down huh
2024-03-30 17:06:00	greentail	Psi-Jack, what VPS hosting service do you use for Nextcloud?  
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2024-03-30 17:06:24	greentail	Shapeshifter, because of the xz backdoor  
2024-03-30 17:06:27	Shapeshifter	oh.
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2024-03-30 17:07:19	gromit	Shapeshifter: yeah the wiki is down, not because of the backdoor
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2024-03-30 17:07:45	espresso	greentail: to answer your earlier question: yes, if you want to start it. And 'enable' to enable on boot. Or 'enable --now' to do both.
2024-03-30 17:08:12	greentail	novns, I'm using dhcpcd. Is dhcpcd a DHCP client?   
2024-03-30 17:08:27	Scimmia	you also need to make resolv.conf a symlink unless you have something managing it directly
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2024-03-30 17:08:35	vikn	Psi-Jack: Federation sounds nice! I also have a friend that runs Nc. Maybe I should just accept set aside my PHP-fobia for the time being. Thanks!
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2024-03-30 17:09:11	drathir_tor	arch-wiki-docs arch-wiki-lite wikiman for emergency purposes...
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2024-03-30 17:10:36	jclsn	How can I connect to a pipewire-jack device?
2024-03-30 17:10:53	jclsn	Is there a way to list the devices or something. Can't find much on this online
2024-03-30 17:10:57	jclsn	and the wiki is down...
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2024-03-30 17:11:20	vikn	Psi-Jack: I *once* wrote something in PHP and then spent days debugging it because the runtime executed my destructor in a different directory than the rest of the program. Combined with the comments of the 'organic growth' of the language make me terrified of it for the rest of my life.
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2024-03-30 17:11:33	teraflops	jclsn: whatever uses jack will see the device
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2024-03-30 17:12:04	greentail	espresso, https://bpa.st/AX3Q  ;  what should I do next?  
2024-03-30 17:12:05	phrik	Title: View paste AX3Q (at bpa.st)
2024-03-30 17:12:22	jclsn	teraflops: But I need to specify the decks somehow https://wiki.xwax.org/one_deck_setup
2024-03-30 17:12:23	phrik	Title: xwax - Using xwax with only one turntable or CDJ (at wiki.xwax.org)
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2024-03-30 17:13:15	greentail	in my last paste, why is it that the word "arpa" appears several times? And what's the meaning of that word?   
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2024-03-30 17:13:42	teraflops	jclsn: u need a graphical patchbay utility?
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2024-03-30 17:14:07	teraflops	I so use clara
2024-03-30 17:14:10	teraflops	so/do
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2024-03-30 17:15:43	greentail	drathir_tor, I just installed arch-wiki-lit. I also ran `man arch-wiki-lite` and got `No manual entry` ; it seems to be very unintuitive. How do I use it?  
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2024-03-30 17:15:54	greentail	s/lit/lite/
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2024-03-30 17:16:19	gromit	greentail: "/usr/share/doc/arch-wiki/html/en/Main_page.html"
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2024-03-30 17:17:06	greentail	gromit, and that file wasn't there before I installed the package arch-wiki-lite?  
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2024-03-30 17:17:48	greentail	gromit, also, there's no html directory. Only text directory  
2024-03-30 17:18:24	gromit	well seems like you have the lite version, then you gotta roll with the text or install the HTML version of the package
2024-03-30 17:18:34	drathir_tor	greentail: also You can use pacman -Ql arch-wiki-light |grep name
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2024-03-30 17:19:49	greentail	drathir_tor, thanks
2024-03-30 17:20:09	espresso	greentail: under systemd-resolved, my /etc/resolv.conf is a symlink to ../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf  -- I *suspect* I had [re]moved resolv.conf away and the service set that up.  To start and enable on boot, systemctl enable --now systemd-resolved
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2024-03-30 17:20:55	greentail	gromit, problem is, I don't know how to "roll with the text". I opened all two files that are in that directory, with neovim, but it's not readable at all. How do I use that package?  
2024-03-30 17:21:35	greentail	espresso, how can I tell whether a file is a symlink or not?  
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2024-03-30 17:23:35	jclsn	teraflops: No idea. Do I?
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2024-03-30 17:24:19	espresso	greentail: 'ls -l' would show "l" in first column. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root  root    39 2022-11-17 03:17 resolv.conf -> ../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf
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2024-03-30 17:25:35	novns	greentail, if you use dhcpcd (it's a DHCP client), and if it updates resolve.conf for you, you don't need systemd-resolved
2024-03-30 17:25:35	greentail	espresso, thank you. Mine doesn't show "l" in the first column. Why is that? 
2024-03-30 17:26:08	greentail	novns, how can I tell whether dhcpcd updates resolve.conf for me or not?  
2024-03-30 17:26:16	espresso	greentail: it is normally just a regular file, but under systemd it would be a symlink
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2024-03-30 17:27:19	greentail	espresso, https://bpa.st/OUAQ  
2024-03-30 17:27:20	phrik	Title: View paste OUAQ (at bpa.st)
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2024-03-30 17:29:06	novns	greentail, https://web.archive.org/web/20240317235105/https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/dhcpcd#/etc/resolv.conf
2024-03-30 17:29:08	phrik	Title: dhcpcd - ArchWiki (at web.archive.org)
2024-03-30 17:29:25	novns	wiki is down but available at archive.org
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2024-03-30 17:30:08	espresso	systemd does use /etc/resolv.conf, as a symlink
2024-03-30 17:30:25	phrik	Title: dhcpcd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-30 17:30:28	novns	greentail, in short, it does unless you disabled this yourself
2024-03-30 17:30:29	espresso	Psi-Jack: yes
2024-03-30 17:30:41	greentail	mingdao, why is it that the letter "e" was dropped in resolv.conf? 
2024-03-30 17:30:55	novns	mingdao, it's up then suddenly
2024-03-30 17:30:56	espresso	wiki ahoy! there we go https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-resolved
2024-03-30 17:30:58	phrik	Title: systemd-resolved - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-30 17:31:39	greentail	Psi-Jack, well what happened 40 years ago that they dropped the "e"?  
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2024-03-30 17:34:18	novns	greentail, there was a limit for 8 symbols, -2 for .c so it's 6, resolv.c was the name of the source file
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2024-03-30 17:34:43	novns	and then they added resolv.conf as a configuration to resolv.c
2024-03-30 17:34:57	novns	limits were gone at that time
2024-03-30 17:35:16	greentail	novns, thank you so much!  
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2024-03-30 17:36:39	novns	Psi-Jack, http://man.cat-v.org/unix-1st/5/directory
2024-03-30 17:36:47	phrik	Title: directory(5) - Unix First Edition Manual Pagedirectory(5) - Unix First Edition Manual Page (at man.cat-v.org)
2024-03-30 17:37:05	novns	Bytes 2--9 represent the (8-character) file name, nullpadded on the right
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2024-03-30 19:24:31	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-30 19:24:31	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1443 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1442 regular)
2024-03-30 19:23:24	Icedream	there's a bit of a theme with pipewire causing issues on my Arch setups lol. OBS capturing windows often fails because the portal crashes going to pipewire as well from what I could see. Same for spectacle.
2024-03-30 19:24:31	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-03-30 19:24:43	masterkorp	Hello, so my evolution just stopped working and gnome online accounts 
2024-03-30 19:24:54	masterkorp	Failed to authenticate: Failed to obtain an access token for “alfredo@palhares.me”: No credentials found in the keyring
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2024-03-30 19:25:39	teraflops	orbita: NM
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2024-03-30 19:26:18	teraflops	masterkorp: try resetting keyring passwork with seahorse
2024-03-30 19:26:28	masterkorp	how do I do that ? 
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2024-03-30 19:26:41	teraflops	from seahorse
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2024-03-30 19:27:30	masterkorp	Ok let me install it 
2024-03-30 19:27:35	teraflops	this is in spanish sorry, but you get the idea https://paste.priet.us/screenshot_2024-03-30-19-27-06.png
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2024-03-30 19:28:26	teraflops	it happens the same to me when howdy fails and I have to write password, keyring looses password somehow
2024-03-30 19:28:33	masterkorp	no worrries, I am portuguese so, I understand that
2024-03-30 19:28:39	teraflops	;)
2024-03-30 19:28:46	masterkorp	but I only have the gnupg and openssh keys 
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2024-03-30 19:28:57	masterkorp	no such folder called logins even 
2024-03-30 19:29:02	teraflops	hmm
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2024-03-30 19:32:15	rounak	I have xz installed in my system. Should I remove it ?
2024-03-30 19:32:51	Scimmia	no
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2024-03-30 19:32:57	Bob35	it was updated yesterday I think
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2024-03-30 19:33:28	rounak	I don't have open ssh installed n my system though
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2024-03-30 19:34:29	masterkorp	hey I go to my gnome-online accounts  I getr the error: "No such secret collection at path: /org/freedesktop/secrets/collection/login " 
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2024-03-30 19:35:18	Icedream	!give rounak liblzmavuln
2024-03-30 19:35:20	phrik	rounak: While Arch Linux is unaffected by the exploit caused by the backdoor, it is still there. Update RIGHT NOW. Also see https://gist.github.com/thesamesam/223949d5a074ebc3dce9ee78baad9e27 and https://archlinux.org/news/the-xz-package-has-been-backdoored/
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2024-03-30 19:35:44	masterkorp	Oh assbled
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2024-03-30 19:37:12	teraflops	did you mess with gnome keyring?
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2024-03-30 19:48:19	masterkorp	teraflops, nope I just did an upgrade
2024-03-30 19:48:28	masterkorp	ever since last week it stopped working 
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2024-03-30 19:49:28	masterkorp	Even adding new accounts I cant do
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2024-03-30 19:49:41	masterkorp	When I go the sign in on your browser account 
2024-03-30 19:49:51	mpan	Megver83: please consider fixing your client, thanks.
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2024-03-30 19:51:36	masterkorp	Honestly this seems like a good excuse to finnaly try thunderbird again 
2024-03-30 19:52:11	greentail	So this guy Jiat75, apparently was one of the main developers of xz? So that would be equivalent to one of the main developers of Arch deciding to put some RCE vulnerability into a package? Is it that serious?  
2024-03-30 19:52:58	Warepire	greentail: Nah, they just somehow managed to get trusted about 2 years ago. Before then it was all the original developer.
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2024-03-30 19:53:51	brocellous	He was a co-maintainer who started contributing ~2 years ago and got commit access like ~1 year ago
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2024-03-30 19:54:14	xt28	Yeah, and then there were basically two developers. So calling him one of the main developers is certainly not wrong.
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2024-03-30 19:54:41	brocellous	before that seems like xz was a one-man show for years, so its understandable to want to bring someone new on board
2024-03-30 19:54:52	brocellous	shame he turned out to be evil
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2024-03-30 19:55:12	xt28	indeed
2024-03-30 19:55:23	mpan	greentail: we don’t know, what has happened to start with, so speculating on how a similar situation would work in Arch is pointless. Is it not? Unless you ask, if something like that could happen in Arch. Yes, it can happen in any organisation and with any project.
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2024-03-30 19:56:50	brocellous	fortunately for us I guess, seems like arch was unaffected by the backdoor.
2024-03-30 19:57:00	⚡ 	mpan gives alad one donk.
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2024-03-30 19:57:11	brocellous	the extent of the compromise in xz isn't really fully known atm
2024-03-30 19:57:13	⚡ 	alad donk
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2024-03-30 19:58:14	brocellous	but regarding the notice to upgrade, all the binaries in 5.6.1-1 and 5.6.1-2 are identical, so if Arch was somehow compromised, seems like upgrading won't actaully help
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2024-03-30 19:59:06	brocellous	🙃
2024-03-30 19:59:57	mpan	brocellous: the upgrade is simply saying: nothing up our sleeve.
2024-03-30 20:00:53	brocellous	yeah, I mean, you probably should upgrade anyway. Can't hurt.
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2024-03-30 20:05:04	xt28	brocellous: It’s good practice, but as you said, the binaries are identical, so in this case, it probably won’t help either. But unless there were other attack paths, there isn’t much reason to worry anyway.
2024-03-30 20:05:11	Icedream	brocellous, it was just a change in behind the scenes procedures (built from git repo instead of the edited tarball), but the output was indeed the same
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2024-03-30 20:05:28	mpan	brocellous: seeing that 5.6.1-2 comes over a clean route, comparing it to 5.6.1-1 and then staying with 5.6.1-1 is certainly more work than simply upgrading to 5.6.1-2. It may also be important for organizations, where you must be able to show your system is secure. Using a version, which is known to be free from taint, is a way to achieve that.
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2024-03-30 20:06:13	mpan	Even more important, if you respond to some manager ignorant on the subject.
2024-03-30 20:06:22	Icedream	traceability is a heck of a thing
2024-03-30 20:06:25	xt28	So it’s all about procedure, really.
2024-03-30 20:06:26	vycka	at least the xz files differ when checking with diff
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2024-03-30 20:06:54	Icedream	slightly. liblzma itself more in metadata.
2024-03-30 20:06:55	xt28	vycka: They do, but check a diff of their hexdumps.
2024-03-30 20:07:11	brocellous	It is ofc a good idea to upgrade yeah, and the build changes are sensible, but I feel like the NEWS entry could have been a little less... salacious?
2024-03-30 20:07:16	xt28	vycka: Sorry, I meant liblzma, not xz.
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2024-03-30 20:07:40	Icedream	idk if on the timeline we already knew this was an entirely Debian-/Red Hat-only exploit
2024-03-30 20:08:01	xt28	brocellous: Keep in mind that it was written before these details were known.
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2024-03-30 20:08:16	mpan	brocellous: note that people may still be at 5.6.0.
2024-03-30 20:08:18	Scimmia	vycka: https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2024/03/29/20
2024-03-30 20:08:20	xt28	brocellous: Or rather, before we could be sure.
2024-03-30 20:08:20	phrik	Title: oss-security - Re: backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to ssh server compromise (at www.openwall.com)
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2024-03-30 20:08:38	Icedream	yeah i was gonna ask about the oss-security mailing
2024-03-30 20:08:59	mpan	brocellous: for them updating to 5.6.1-2 is meaningful also in terms of package contents.
2024-03-30 20:09:43	Icedream	i think we can keep it at "if you update to 5.6.1-2, at least you now know this was built off the git repo, not the tarball"
2024-03-30 20:09:54	Icedream	otherwise we drive into the danger territory of going off topic again lol
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2024-03-30 20:11:19	brocellous	The fastest way to confirm it isn't present is to make 5.6.1-2 anyway. Regardless of the finding in the original reporting, the new pkg makes sense. I'm not arguring it shouldn't have been made.
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2024-03-30 20:12:27	brocellous	It just feels like "a backdoor is present in xz, and upgrading is the remediation" is known to be wrong. Isn't that worth an update in the news?
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2024-03-30 20:13:56	rounak	brocellous: If only effects people who have open ssh right ?
2024-03-30 20:14:00	Icedream	brocellous, it's a bit complicated to nail it down to "we don't have the backdoor because of a thing that Debian and Red Hat differently" when the news outlets are kind of blowing it up more-so that it came straight from upstream lol
2024-03-30 20:14:16	Icedream	we still have people coming here believing the problem is in sshd itself which just isn't true
2024-03-30 20:14:28	Icedream	missed a word, "did"
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2024-03-30 20:15:02	brocellous	rounak: the publishede backdoor does not affect Arch at all. It isn't known if the attacker has more, yet undiscovered attacks.
2024-03-30 20:15:37	masterkorp	Ok best thing ever
2024-03-30 20:15:39	Icedream	!give rounak liblzmavuln
2024-03-30 20:15:39	phrik	rounak: While Arch Linux is unaffected by the exploit caused by the backdoor, it is still there. Update RIGHT NOW. Also see https://gist.github.com/thesamesam/223949d5a074ebc3dce9ee78baad9e27 and https://archlinux.org/news/the-xz-package-has-been-backdoored/
2024-03-30 20:15:43	Icedream	that ^
2024-03-30 20:15:54	brocellous	see, that's what bothers me. It sn't there.
2024-03-30 20:16:00	masterkorp	switched to thunderbird and its thousand times better than evolution
2024-03-30 20:16:13	brocellous	there _might_ be another attack present, but if it is, it's still there. And updating isn't a remediation.
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2024-03-30 20:16:26	xt28	It is true, however, that the news item is incorrect. “The xz packages prior to version 5.6.1-2 (specifically 5.6.0-1 and 5.6.1-1) contain this backdoor.” From what we know, these versions do not contain this backdoor, and if they contain a different one, so does the current version, while the news item implies otherwise.
2024-03-30 20:16:59	brocellous	yeah, thank you. Feels like it could be worded to tamp down hysteria a bit.
2024-03-30 20:17:05	Icedream	maybe the news bulletin can be slightly edited to reflect the current situation, yea
2024-03-30 20:17:12	Icedream	if that is at all possible, idk
2024-03-30 20:17:51	mpan	Do any of you want to be in the shoes of a person, who gets that wrong and 5.6.1-1 is explotable? Go ahead. :)
2024-03-30 20:17:52	xt28	Icedream: I don’t know either.
2024-03-30 20:18:40	xt28	mpan: If it is exploitable, so is 5.6.1-2.
2024-03-30 20:19:00	mpan	xt28: no. 5.6.1-2 is known to be not exploitable.
2024-03-30 20:19:08	Icedream	not by THIS exploit
2024-03-30 20:19:20	Icedream	[insert another hint at off-topic ongoing investigations]
2024-03-30 20:19:32	xt28	mpan: Do you want to be the person who gets that wrong and 5.6.1-2 is exploitable?
2024-03-30 20:19:40	brocellous	^
2024-03-30 20:19:52	mpan	xt28: no, but the chances are slim.
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2024-03-30 20:20:14	@alad	I won by never upgrading my system and still having xz 5.4.6 \ : D /
2024-03-30 20:20:15	Icedream	i feel like this is a bit like the spidermen pointing at each other memes saying "do YOU want to be responsible for this?"
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2024-03-30 20:20:19	xt28	mpan: Then, by the transitive property, so are the chances for 5.6.1-1, where liblzma is the same.
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2024-03-30 20:20:23	Icedream	anyways I'll go afk for a bit now lol
2024-03-30 20:20:38	mpan	xt28: I believe you are conflating positive and normative statements. You are talking about truth, while this is about giving advice.
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2024-03-30 20:21:00	xt28	mpan: Advice should be based on truthful information.
2024-03-30 20:21:14	mpan	xt28: but it doesn’t need to be precise statement describing truth.
2024-03-30 20:21:21	mpan	And very often should not.
2024-03-30 20:21:33	xt28	I believe enough has been said about this issue.
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2024-03-30 20:22:18	mpan	Indeed. If anybody has more to say, we can go to #archlinux-offtopic.
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2024-03-30 20:23:58	greentail	When was the last time there was an incident at least as severe as yesterday's xz vulnerability?   
2024-03-30 20:24:15	greentail	oops, sorry, offtopic
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2024-03-30 20:25:24	akik	ehhh
2024-03-30 20:25:43	akik	don't feel weak
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2024-03-30 20:29:25	Psy-Q	i'm seeing a strange new phenomenon with dolphin and CIFS mounts (mounted through fstab/mount.cifs, not dolphin). everything slows to a crawl when even just a very slow copy is going on from my machine to the NAS. i can barely open new tabs in dolphin and existing ones take so long to scroll that plasma greys out the window
2024-03-30 20:30:13	Psy-Q	dmesg shows nothing, cpu is not overly busy, network bandwidth is ample. i can copy things on a second machine via rsync in a plain terminal, also via cifs, to the same NAS and that's fast simultaneously. how can i figure out what's stalling dolphin so much?
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2024-03-30 20:32:47	spacespork	why does arch say xz 5.6.1-2 is fixed while over distros (including rolling release) say the issue is still active in the latest version?
2024-03-30 20:33:28	Scimmia	spacespork: Arch was never actually affected
2024-03-30 20:33:31	mpan	spacespork: to start with, Arch seems to not be affected.
2024-03-30 20:33:37	rounak	brocellous: I have updated my pc but II don't use open ssh so am I safe ?
2024-03-30 20:33:45	grawity	the -2 indicates a packaging-level change on top of upstream 5.6.1
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2024-03-30 20:33:56	grawity	could be a new patch, could be a build option, etc
2024-03-30 20:34:05	mpan	spacespork: also “affected” is in this case a bit fuzzy and different people may have different definition.
2024-03-30 20:34:10	grawity	other distros also do that, e.g. debian in particular
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2024-03-30 20:35:13	spacespork	ik its actually only ssh versions built against affected xz versions that are "affected" but still what did arch do for the -2 verison that makes the maintainers say its fixed
2024-03-30 20:35:24	xt28	grawity: In this case, it means building from the git repository rather than the tarball.
2024-03-30 20:35:34	xt28	spacespork: ^
2024-03-30 20:35:42	mpan	spacespork: yes, this makes the build clean. Even if it’s bit-to-bit identical, in fact.
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2024-03-30 20:36:06	grawity	mpan: part of the issue is that they're not bit-to-bit identical, iirc
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2024-03-30 20:36:16	grawity	i.e. the tarball had more stuff that the git repo did not
2024-03-30 20:36:17	spacespork	oh i see, building from the repo makes sence
2024-03-30 20:36:24	spacespork	thanks
2024-03-30 20:36:33	spacespork	*since
2024-03-30 20:36:40	grawity	we don't have the openssh patch that triggers the backdoor, anyway
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2024-03-30 20:37:18	brocellous	the tarballs are not identical, but since the pkgbuild doesn't meet the critieria to activate the malicious m4 macro, the Makefile is identical, and all resulting binaries are the same. 
2024-03-30 20:37:27	mpan	Hmm… indeed. 
2024-03-30 20:37:37	grawity	oh, it also had a build-time trigger?
2024-03-30 20:37:42	spacespork	openssh patch? i thought it was openssh built against compromized xz bins
2024-03-30 20:37:54	xt28	grawity: Yes, it triggered only on .rpm and .deb builds.
2024-03-30 20:38:00	brocellous	Yeah, presumably to make it easier to hide I guess. 5.6.1-1 and 5.6.1-2 provide the exact same code.
2024-03-30 20:38:11	brocellous	thanks to reproducible builds no doubt
2024-03-30 20:38:12	grawity	spacespork: no, it was openssh built in a way that indirectly loaded xz libs for another reason
2024-03-30 20:38:13	Warepire	spacespork: openssh by default does not link against xz
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2024-03-30 20:38:37	grawity	spacespork: i.e. debian patches openssh to link -lsystemd, and libsystemd has a whole lot of unrelated stuff, some of which pulls in liblzma
2024-03-30 20:39:13	ZLima12	libsystemd actually doesn't have too much extra, but compression is one of the things it needs
2024-03-30 20:39:26	grawity	for sd_journal, yeah
2024-03-30 20:39:32	spacespork	oh oh i see
2024-03-30 20:39:35	grawity	but debian only needed libsystemd for sd_notify
2024-03-30 20:39:43	grawity	so I'd call that "extra stuff"
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2024-03-30 20:40:08	spacespork	so openssh needs the patch that uses xz, and it needs to be build against the affected verson of xz?
2024-03-30 20:40:18	spacespork	and arch doesn't use that patch?
2024-03-30 20:40:48	bionade24	Psy-Q: Maybe a kio bug. I'd profile dolphin with perf record and check at which function it's taking so long. If it doesn't make sense, report a bug at the KDE upstream.
2024-03-30 20:40:50	brocellous	I don't think libsystemd actually links lzma anymore anyway. iirc it's dlopen as of somewhat recently.
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2024-03-30 20:40:59	brocellous	I've been working on systemd recently but not this area
2024-03-30 20:41:16	spacespork	artix gang rise up
2024-03-30 20:41:17	bionade24	brocellous: You're right
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2024-03-30 20:41:57	mpan	grawity: they are not identical, but the differences are tiny and not in code.
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2024-03-30 20:42:16	xt28	brocellous: The current libsystemd links against liblzma.
2024-03-30 20:42:30	brocellous	might only be on master
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2024-03-30 20:42:50	ZLima12	interesting timing
2024-03-30 20:42:51	xt28	bionade24: `ldd /usr/lib/libsystemd.so | grep liblzma`
2024-03-30 20:43:09	brocellous	hm yeah, changed in febraury
2024-03-30 20:43:15	brocellous	that's not yet released
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2024-03-30 20:43:38	ZLima12	weird that this happened just before it got patched
2024-03-30 20:44:15	Psy-Q	bionade24: thanks, that's an idea
2024-03-30 20:44:24	bionade24	xt28: Yeah, never stated that Arch downstream had the dlopen code, or any other, for that matter.
2024-03-30 20:45:15	xt28	bionade24: Oh, right. Why would the Arch downstream matter here? My bad…
2024-03-30 20:46:03	Tom^	spacespork: shortly summed. the tarball contained the payload, git repo didnt. package built from tarball ran a autoconf script that checked a bunch of env vars, required to be gcc, .rpm or debian and bunch of other nitpicks. if all checks safed out it ran the payload. so by the looks of it no arch wasnt affected
2024-03-30 20:46:39	lmat	I just got one of these: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/TRX40-AORUS-PRO-WIFI-rev-11-12#kf The audio is crackly when playing through the back speaker plug, but fine with the front panel headphone jack. Do I need a driver?
2024-03-30 20:46:43	phrik	Title: TRX40 AORUS PRO WIFI (rev. 1.1/1.2) Key Features | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global (at www.gigabyte.com)
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2024-03-30 20:47:35	lmat	I'm using rev 1.1, so the audio codec is "ALC4050H codec+ ALC1220-VB" whatever that means.
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2024-03-30 20:49:41	lmat	One potential issue: the plugs on the motherboard don't say "rear", "c/sub", "line out", "line in". I just changed to line out and now I can hear the audio! But lots of crackles, too.
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2024-03-30 20:51:00	lmat	I also tried systemctl --user restart pipewire pipewire-pulse pipewire-alsa; and (after restarting VLC), same problem.
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2024-03-30 20:52:43	lmat	Oh yeah, given the labelling on the back, it's not clear to me how I should connect a stereo output system. I would expect there to be "configurations" in alsamixer or pavucontrol to specify what type of audio output I'm targeting. Since that's not there, that's why I'm expecting maybe I need a driver to properly expose the capabilities of the soundcard (and select a proper "stereo" output
2024-03-30 20:52:43	lmat	rather than 7.1 
2024-03-30 20:52:49	lmat	output which is how the device appears in pavucontrol now).
2024-03-30 20:53:08	bionade24	lmat: Have you checked that it's not a hardware issue ? Gigabyte subreddit should be a good place to research/ask
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2024-03-30 20:56:17	lmat	bionade24: https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+trx40+audio+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fgigabyte%2F doesn't show anything too helpful
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2024-03-30 20:56:45	lmat	bionade24: Searching "alc4050h site:https://www.reddit.com/r/gigabyte" only returns one result (also in the results above).
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2024-03-30 20:57:28	lmat	bionade24: Perhaps I'll post there, though. I'm assuming this is a problem on my setup. If this was a problem like "TRX40 mobo audio crackles on GNU/Linux", it would be much more prevalent (I think?).
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2024-03-30 21:00:29	vycka	is there a bios update for the boards
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2024-03-30 21:00:38	vycka	*board
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2024-03-30 21:01:08	bionade24	Lmat: I'd especially wrote this bc Gigabyte had some mistakes leading to charges at compoenents that shouldn't be over long timespans. 
2024-03-30 21:02:28	lmat	bionade24: Sorry, I don't follow what you're saying. "charges at components that shouldn't be over long timespans", do you mean that the system was designed to apply electrical voltages to components for too long?
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2024-03-30 21:04:05	drathir_tor	lmat: pipewire when run pavucontrol should have configuration and "Analog Stereo Duplex" profile for stereo sources...
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2024-03-30 21:07:24	drathir_tor	lmat: also sometimes soundcard powersaving could be issue there...
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2024-03-30 21:10:27	badsektor	linux got hax0red
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2024-03-30 21:14:17	espresso	lmat: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=alc4050h (and maybe under other search terms) are some reports with perhaps some clues.
2024-03-30 21:15:02	mpan	badsektor: please don’t, thanks.
2024-03-30 21:15:03	lmat	drathir_tor: yes... no "Analog Stereo Duplex": https://imgur.com/a/sXOW7Xx https://imgur.com/a/j8xiDOA
2024-03-30 21:15:04	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2024-03-30 21:15:33	lmat	espresso: That sounds like me! https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209223
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2024-03-30 21:17:37	espresso	it names s/pdif so I was not sure, but unit mappings seemed to come up (also I think in arch forum, but was resolved without user intervention)
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2024-03-31 18:09:22	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-31 18:09:22	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1428 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1427 regular)
2024-03-31 18:04:19	Shapeshifter	Ok somehow my system fucked itself up. I was running pacman -Syu while browsing and then firefox said it needs to restart. That didn't happen. The upgrade proceeded until ( 2/27) Reloading system manager configuration... which hung and then said: pacman Reload daemon failed: Transport endpoint is not connected error: command failed to execute correctly, then it went to ( 3/27) Reloading user 
2024-03-31 18:04:25	Shapeshifter	manager configuration... again: Failed to list units: Transport endpoint is not connected Failed to expand names: Transport endpoint is not connected error: command failed to execute correctly. And now the system is super crippled. Can't launch browsers. starting xterm takes 30s. htop works and shows a process "Shutdow~minator" using 100% cpu, and I can't kill it.  97427 shapeshift  -2   1     0
2024-03-31 18:04:25	Shapeshifter	  
2024-03-31 18:04:31	Shapeshifter	  0     0 R  94.1  0.0 12:01.26 Shutdow~minator
2024-03-31 18:04:34	Shapeshifter	really weird.
2024-03-31 18:05:17	Shapeshifter	And of course pacman didn't finish 26 out of 27 post-transaction hooks. Assuming I would hard-reset now, how can I re-run the install I just tried?
2024-03-31 18:05:57	Namarrgon	what is in the kernel log?
2024-03-31 18:06:18	Namarrgon	"minator" or "monitor"?
2024-03-31 18:09:22	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-03-31 18:10:17	whoami	are s-nail and postfix comparable, if i am just planning to use smtp over a relay server (gmail)? or is there a difference between them i'm missing?
2024-03-31 18:10:24	Shapeshifter	Namarrgon: ah yes. It shows heaps of stalled task warnings. It all started with  WARNING: CPU: 1 PID: 87882 at fs/ext4/inode.c:3542 ext4_dirty_folio+0x23/0x40 [ext4] .....Bad page map in process Shutdow~minator  pte:18fc2f025 pmd:103b28067
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2024-03-31 18:11:06	Namarrgon	Shapeshifter: is the system out of ram?
2024-03-31 18:11:08	Shapeshifter	actually it started with  Isolated Web Co[87872]: segfault at 7eb363f3b540 ip 0000556f0e352d94 sp 00007fff61c46a70 error 4 in firefox[556f0e330000+c9000] likely on CPU 4 (core 16, socket 0)
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2024-03-31 18:11:31	Shapeshifter	No... the system has 32G, only 2 used.
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2024-03-31 18:11:51	Shapeshifter	Well in any case, I think it's unrecoverable. I'll have to reset. And hope I can recover.
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2024-03-31 18:12:27	Tom^	Psi-Jack: MemTotal: 98606004 kB
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2024-03-31 18:13:43	phrik	Title: S-nail - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-03-31 18:14:05	whoami	thanks. mailx is really all i need, but i guess i'm not sure that smart monitoring will use it, or if it requires sendmail
2024-03-31 18:14:17	whoami	i know i can setup a custom exec script, if it doesn't support mailx
2024-03-31 18:14:46	whoami	sounds like i am best off setting up postfix, and then choosing to add mailx if i have a use case for it?
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2024-03-31 18:15:31	whoami	mailx does not actually have the capability to route through gmail itself, is what you're saying?
2024-03-31 18:15:36	whoami	it needs to wrap a local sendmail?
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2024-03-31 18:16:53	whoami	OK, so mailx _can_ send directly through Gmail's SMTP server, but apps like SMART will try to use sendmail, not mailx.
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2024-03-31 18:17:47	whoami	i already told you what i'm trying to do lol
2024-03-31 18:18:01	whoami	whoami | thanks. mailx is really all i need, but i guess i'm not sure that smart monitoring will use it, or if it requires sendmail
2024-03-31 18:18:12	whoami	smart monitoring is my primary use case, and the arch wiki talks about mailx and postfix (and dma, etc.)
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2024-03-31 18:18:33	whoami	i will be setting up other monitoring as well, such as for the zfs scrub errors, and restic backups
2024-03-31 18:18:48	whoami	i know that postfix configures sendmail, but if i can get away with ONLY S-nail, i'd love to keep things simpler.
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2024-03-31 18:19:15	whoami	but what i'm trying to understand is whether SMART (because that's my immeidate need) will use s-nail directly, or if it is looking to invoke a binary called sendmail
2024-03-31 18:19:19	xt28	whoami: Have you loooked at msmtp and msmtp-mta? I’m not sure, but they might be sufficient.
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2024-03-31 18:19:35	whoami	i know that smart can be setup with an exec script, but at that point, i'd probably just use postfix, if it'll give me better compatibility overall.
2024-03-31 18:19:41	whoami	can i make anything clearer for you?
2024-03-31 18:19:50	SergeantBiggs	whoami: if it's just about smartd, you can configure it to send emails via s-nail: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/S.M.A.R.T.#Notifying_potential_problems
2024-03-31 18:19:51	phrik	Title: S.M.A.R.T. - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-03-31 18:20:21	whoami	Psi-Jack: thank you. so i am best off configuring both, for the best compatibility
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2024-03-31 18:21:06	whoami	SergeantBiggs: i did see i can write an exec script, i mentioned a couple times. it looks like that's necessary for s-nail, from the link to wayback machine in there. i'll have another exec script setup for pushover, and i'd really like to reduce the number of moving parts required to notify of failure.
2024-03-31 18:21:25	whoami	thank you, i'll take a look at msmtp. that sounds great
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2024-03-31 18:21:51	SergeantBiggs	whoami: Ok, if you don't want to write an external script I would also recommend msmtp in your case, like Psi-Jack said
2024-03-31 18:22:12	whoami	perfect, ty ty
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2024-03-31 18:24:30	xt28	for sendmail, yes
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2024-03-31 19:36:32	greentail	Hi. Yesterday I came here talking about a DNS resolution problem, and you guys suggested systemd-resolved. I just wanna say that systemd-resolved has solved the problem. Thank you! 
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2024-03-31 19:40:46	Shapeshifter	Well. I fixed it. The kernel image was gone completely. Had to use the install medium, chroot, reinstalled all packages to be safe. Back to normal.
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2024-03-31 19:41:44	Shapeshifter	Before I hard-reset, I did dmesg > problem.txt; cat problem.txt; sync, and while it pretended that the file was written in hung indefinitely. Now problem.txt is empty, boo. So I can't even figure out what happened.
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2024-03-31 19:54:33	Namarrgon	there was an ext4 error in the output, so there's probably nothing in the logs
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2024-03-31 20:40:16	Gnana	is there fix for swww the wallapers are not fitting?
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2024-03-31 23:27:41	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-03-31 23:27:41	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-03-31 23:41:13	xx	will there be a new iso image on 2024.04.01 given that one was released 2024.03.29?
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2024-03-31 23:44:47	pulec	demonicmaniac1: interesting, I have setting for low latency, at 60 fps, there is also multipass and some b frames
2024-03-31 23:45:01	pulec	re nvenv seek issue
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2024-03-31 23:46:08	demonicmaniac1	pulec: hmhm don't have nvidia just in general from my encoding experience usually desync was a thing when there were no pts due to too large b/reframes so seeking would end up where there wasn't any pts to directly jump to. but that's just guesstimation might want to ask in nvidia or obs
2024-03-31 23:46:56	pulec	ye, thx
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2024-03-31 23:57:52	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-03-31 23:57:52	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1440 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1439 regular)
2024-03-31 23:53:32	xyproblem	hello where can i post a screenshot?
2024-03-31 23:53:53	mefistofeles	imgur is an option
2024-03-31 23:54:29	xyproblem	thats what i used last time too
2024-03-31 23:54:34	xyproblem	https://i.imgur.com/zR2L8oH.png
2024-03-31 23:54:38	xyproblem	i have a problem with viber
2024-03-31 23:54:52	xyproblem	when im trying to save a picture it opens the /opt/viber directory
2024-03-31 23:55:02	xyproblem	i cant navigate out of it
2024-03-31 23:55:16	xyproblem	and instead of the save button i have an open button
2024-03-31 23:55:22	xyproblem	can this be permission related?
2024-03-31 23:55:30	xyproblem	or what might be causing this?
2024-03-31 23:56:15	xyproblem	the date is a bit off too
2024-03-31 23:56:36	xyproblem	showing 13.5.
2024-03-31 23:57:52	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-01 00:09:49	Namarrgon	xyproblem: what does the arrow-up button do in that dialog?
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2024-04-01 01:04:20	rascasse	hi, installed archlinux provided image on my linode vps, inspecting the mkinitcpio.conf, these 2modules are loaded `ata_generic ata_piix`. I wonder what they are for?
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2024-04-01 01:09:12	xyproblem	Namarrgon the arrowup button does nothing
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2024-04-01 01:11:47	xyproblem	i can click on the folders and navigate tho
2024-04-01 01:11:57	xyproblem	but it still behaves like open not save as
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2024-04-01 01:14:32	xyproblem	nevermind it can overwrite a file if i select an existing one and open it
2024-04-01 01:14:43	xyproblem	but it cant 'open' a new file
2024-04-01 01:15:22	xyproblem	if it was a qt6 issue tho i think everyone would have a problem with it
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2024-04-01 06:45:03	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-01 06:45:03	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1413 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1412 regular)
2024-04-01 01:52:49	Gnea	Why doesn't udevd rule renaming work for networking devices anymore and how can I change them now?
2024-04-01 02:01:00	Antiz	Psi-Jack: The ISO is in fact released on a fixed scheduled, being each first day of the month.
2024-04-01 02:01:41	Antiz	Yeah but something special happened two days ago 0:)
2024-04-01 02:02:02	Antiz	With special occasion comes special delivery ;)
2024-04-01 02:03:37	Antiz	Well, I'll say the same : No announcement are made as the release cycle is fixed. It's release once every first day of the month (this month was an exception since there was a critical vulnerability to deal with urgently).
2024-04-01 02:04:33	Antiz	As such, the release for April will be delayed as well, but starting from May it should come back to the fixed release cycle of each first day of the month.
2024-04-01 02:06:05	rcf	Psi-Jack: https://archlinux.org/feeds/releases/
2024-04-01 02:06:06	phrik	Title: Arch Linux: Releases2024.03.292024.02.012024.01.01 (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-01 02:07:52	cake37	Psi-Jack: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:NewMirrors
2024-04-01 02:07:53	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:NewMirrors - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-01 02:08:21	Antiz	Psi-Jack: As to pull it on your side, you can just grab it from a nearby repo mirror
2024-04-01 02:08:23	rcf	Psi-Jack: the feed's URLs are all links to the release torrent. 
2024-04-01 02:09:26	Hawson	w 3
2024-04-01 02:12:33	rcf	Psi-Jack: the torrent URLs are included in enclosure tags, and qbittorrent (for example) can subscribe and auto-download them. 
2024-04-01 02:41:02	LBlaboon	rascasse: linode engineer here. those modules are needed for disk drivers when you boot your linode instance in "full virt" mode. we include them explicitly in the mkinitcpio.conf because they won't get autodetected when you're booting in paravirt mode, which is the default
2024-04-01 02:42:46	LBlaboon	if you never intend to boot your linode in full virt mode (which you likely won't unless you have some very specific need) then you can feel free to remove them
2024-04-01 02:44:45	Hawson	LBlaboon++ 
2024-04-01 02:44:59	Hawson	nice to see there are other people running arch @ linode
2024-04-01 02:49:29	LBlaboon	first-class arch support is the reason i started using linode in the first place, which ultimately led to my career there :D
2024-04-01 02:49:46	bswartz	:) :) :)
2024-04-01 02:55:53	ZLima12	I've been called crazy for it but I run Arch on my server and Arch ARM on my router
2024-04-01 02:59:00	bswartz	ZLima12: We're all crazy. This channel is the asylum
2024-04-01 02:59:52	ZLima12	glad I made it to the right place then ;)
2024-04-01 03:02:17	nerdistmonk	idk why it would be crazy to use arch for a server, its more stable than debian stable for me, had far more malfunctions with debian.
2024-04-01 03:04:13	Gnea	Linode++ and ftw :-) 
2024-04-01 03:04:24	Gnea	ZLima12: same
2024-04-01 03:05:10	Gnea	right now I'm putting arch on a a recycled pc in which I've replaced the hdd with an sdd and an m.2 nvme
2024-04-01 03:05:46	Gnea	The performance difference from running just on an hdd or an sdd is phenominal
2024-04-01 03:06:43	Gnea	which brings me back to my original question
2024-04-01 03:06:49	Gnea	Why doesn't udevd rule renaming work for networking devices anymore and how can I change them now?
2024-04-01 03:07:10	espresso	nerdistmonk: My arch workstations have gone for years with only hours of 'fixing' something. There's a kind of stability in 'fewer updates', but if you know what you're doing, you can restore in case of a rolling surprise..
2024-04-01 03:09:05	MacGyver	espresso: Rolling with the software changes means you're only ever relearning a little at a time, I find.
2024-04-01 03:09:51	espresso	MacGyver: makes sense actually
2024-04-01 03:20:20	espresso	Gnea: I too found that arch flies on the nvme.. So by renaming network devices with udevd, you mean this? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration#Change_interface_name
2024-04-01 03:20:21	phrik	Title: Network configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-01 03:39:32	timer	hello , i am trying to build this module with dkms and getting this error cp /var/lib/dkms/macbook12-audio/0.1/build/build/hda/snd-hda-codec-cirrus.ko /lib/modules/6.8.2-arch2-1/updates
2024-04-01 03:40:28	timer	cp: cannot stat '/var/lib/dkms/macbook12-audio/0.1/build/build/hda/snd-hda-codec-cirrus.ko': No such file or directory
2024-04-01 03:42:16	axq	well there is no /var/lib/dkms/macbook12-audio/0.1/build/build/hda/snd-hda-codec-cirrus.ko
2024-04-01 03:42:25	timer	what i am understanding is make trying to cp the module snd-hda-codec-circus.ko to /lib/modules/... but cant find directory
2024-04-01 03:42:51	sheep	does /lib/modules/6.8.2-arch2-1 exist?
2024-04-01 03:43:33	timer	yes it does
2024-04-01 03:44:38	timer	maybe it doesnt have permission not able to write .ko to that folder i am quite lost 
2024-04-01 03:44:50	timer	should i install and enable sudo i dont know
2024-04-01 03:46:36	timer	will try manually instead dkms see how  i wil go
2024-04-01 03:53:22	sheep	where did you get this module?
2024-04-01 03:54:17	ponies	is this a broken pkgbuild? 
2024-04-01 03:58:39	sheep	it looks like it's trying to use the currently booted kernel version instead of what's installed. the actual error is happening a few lines earlier
2024-04-01 04:01:17	sheep	it looks like the update_dir line needs $(uname -r) replaced with $uname_r
2024-04-01 04:04:24	sheep	and it needs to pass uname_r as the KERNELRELEASE variable. This seems to be a poorly written module
2024-04-01 04:07:33	ponies	else restart :)     
2024-04-01 04:14:01	timer	sorry sheep https://github.com/leifliddy/macbook12-audio-driver
2024-04-01 04:14:07	timer	this is where i got this module 
2024-04-01 04:14:29	sheep	I thought that was where it came from. what do you get from uname -r?
2024-04-01 04:14:36	timer	it is trying to copy snd-hda-code-circus.ko to /lib/modules but that module doesnt exists in the source
2024-04-01 04:14:54	timer	6.8.2
2024-04-01 04:15:09	sheep	is that the full output of uname -r?
2024-04-01 04:15:25	sheep	I tried it myself and saw a different error a few lines before that error
2024-04-01 04:15:35	timer	6.8.2-arch-2-1
2024-04-01 04:16:32	timer	complaining about some headers in previous lines about some protytpe definitions
2024-04-01 04:17:13	sheep	maybe it needs some updates to compile with 6.8
2024-04-01 04:17:19	Scimmia	timer: did you check the issues?
2024-04-01 04:17:38	timer	i thought issue was with me until now 
2024-04-01 04:17:48	timer	so no  i didnt , i will now
2024-04-01 04:17:59	timer	thank you to both of 
2024-04-01 04:26:49	timer	https://github.com/leifliddy/macbook12-audio-driver/issues/29 someone reported this issue yesterday i think same issue 
2024-04-01 04:39:50	timer	it i in the header sheep he recon  the developer changing the strlcpy ith strcpy in headers will do the job
2024-04-01 04:39:57	timer	i will try that now;D
2024-04-01 04:42:17	timer	and he adds this temp. solution Note that this likely introduces a buffer overflow vulnerability in the kernel.
2024-04-01 04:49:53	timer	ok building again fingers crossed
2024-04-01 05:36:42	timer	it did build when i modified the header thank you so much sheep  , Scimmia aprriciate for your time and attention
2024-04-01 05:36:52	timer	will reboot now and see if it will work 
2024-04-01 05:39:16	switchnode	i can't seem to get xterm to paste from PRIMARY using shift+insert. middle-click works fine (except that i'm terrible at it on this trackpad), xev reports that my keypad 'insert' key has keysym KP_Insert, but pressing shift+insert inserts '2~' instead of my selection.
2024-04-01 05:39:19	switchnode	i even tried adding 'Shift <Key>KP_Insert: insert-selection(PRIMARY)' to my translations in ~/.Xresources, but after an `xrdb -merge` nothing changed.
2024-04-01 05:39:25	switchnode	what exactly is going wrong here?
2024-04-01 05:47:58	rcf	switchnode: what exact lines did you add to your .Xresources 
2024-04-01 06:01:18	espresso	I wish I could help, but found xterm confusing. Just discovered http://st.suckless.org/ while researching, though I use Wayland and another.
2024-04-01 06:01:19	phrik	Title: st - simple terminal | suckless.org software that sucks less (at st.suckless.org)
2024-04-01 06:04:20	switchnode	rcf: (sorry, had to step away for a minute)
2024-04-01 06:04:24	switchnode	i changed `*VT100*translations: #override Meta <Btn1Up>: exec-formatted("palemoon '%t'", PRIMARY)` to `*VT100*translations: #override \n\<\n> Meta <Btn1Up>: exec-formatted("palemoon '%t'", PRIMARY) \n\<\n> Shift <Key>KP_Insert: insert-selection(PRIMARY)`
2024-04-01 06:04:26	switchnode	(where <\n> is an actual line break)
2024-04-01 06:19:23	rcf	switchnode: weird, when I use that it works 
2024-04-01 06:34:17	cloudowind	i think iwctl and iwd is not connecting to hot spot ios 17.4.1 
2024-04-01 06:34:52	cloudowind	it was connecting very easyly yesterday but i upgraded the ios to 17.4.1 and it started fail with an error of operation failed
2024-04-01 06:35:54	cloudowind	it is connecting earlier ios version hotspots , ive another iphone with older ios , it is connecting withoth an issue , but 2 other iphones with the newest 14.1 ios , on both iwctl giving me operating failed error
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2024-04-01 06:50:01	switchnode	changing it to regular `<Key>KP_Insert` (no shift) doesn't work either.
2024-04-01 06:50:10	switchnode	more weirdness: shift+keypad '1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 .' (regardless of numlock) produces 'F B 2~ D E C H A 2~ 2~ ~'... that is, keys with an xterm ansi sequence get rendered as the corresponding letter (^[[F -> 'F' and so on), but ^[[2~, ^[[5~ and ^[[6~ all produce '2~', but ^[[3~ produces '~'.
2024-04-01 06:50:34	switchnode	i'm very confused
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2024-04-01 06:57:07	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-01 06:54:26	rcf	I'm also a bit confused there. Do you have any other configuration for it in .Xresources? 
2024-04-01 06:55:56	switchnode	i have some other stuff in .Xresources, but i'm not sure what you mean by "for it"
2024-04-01 06:57:08	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-01 06:58:38	switchnode	the most plausibly relevant item is `XTerm.termName: xterm-256color`--the rest is just meta sends escape, 3/4-click selection control, bell is urgent, dpi, and disabling fullscreen
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2024-04-01 08:31:29	pulec	>~
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2024-04-01 08:45:31	pulec	mew https://old.reddit.com/r/holdmycatnip/comments/1bspwgw/climbers_ascend_to_the_highest_peak_of_poland_and/
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2024-04-01 08:51:56	pulec	oi Cali and NYC need to make more babies https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1bsj62x/the_us_states_losing_gaining_population/
2024-04-01 08:52:12	pulec	but maybe not as much as Florida
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2024-04-01 08:53:06	ZLima12	It's not that they aren't making babies in New York, it's that the adults are leaving for places like Florida
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2024-04-01 08:57:06	akik	i wish that had something to do with arch
2024-04-01 08:57:21	Murray7501	so I heard the xz backdoor is actually a feature that lets you log in to ssh faster :)
2024-04-01 08:58:55	phrik	Murray7501: While Arch Linux is unaffected by the exploit caused by the backdoor, it is still there. Update RIGHT NOW. Also see https://gist.github.com/thesamesam/223949d5a074ebc3dce9ee78baad9e27 and https://archlinux.org/news/the-xz-package-has-been-backdoored/
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2024-04-01 08:59:18	phrik	Title: XZ Utils backdoor (at tukaani.org)
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2024-04-01 09:02:13	Murray7501	NetSysFire: nice to see lasse seems to be in the clear, I was just making a joke since its that day of the year again :)
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2024-04-01 09:05:21	akik	Murray7501: why did github disable his account?
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2024-04-01 09:07:57	Murray7501	akik: I dont know
2024-04-01 09:08:14	akik	NetSysFire: i don't know shit
2024-04-01 09:08:47	akik	NetSysFire: why would i ask if i didn't know?
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2024-04-01 09:09:05	akik	NetSysFire: why would i ask if i did know?
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2024-04-01 09:09:13	akik	english so hard
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2024-04-01 09:09:24	akik	what?
2024-04-01 09:09:28	akik	you're weird
2024-04-01 09:09:40	phrik	Title: Everything I know about the XZ backdoor (at boehs.org)
2024-04-01 09:10:46	Murray7501	NetSysFire: oh yeah I already saw that, somewhat interesting too :)
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2024-04-01 09:38:12	Gnana	what font i should for reading and coding ?
2024-04-01 09:38:19	Gnana	firacode? why?
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2024-04-01 10:22:39	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-01 10:24:05	gloomy_laptop	Hey, been having a slightly weird/worrying thing happen for a few days. Every once in a while, the "Disks and Devices" widget (in KDE) pops up with an entry called something like "rpc-pipefs" - and it disappears after a second, so wasn't able to see any more details . I'm probably worrying over nothing but since RPC does stand for "remote procedure call" I *am* worrying a little :D Any idea how
2024-04-01 10:24:05	gloomy_laptop	I can troubleshoot this? 
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2024-04-01 10:24:06	gloomy_laptop	can't find any mentions of rpc/pipefs in the journal other than "Reached target rpc_pipefs.target. "
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2024-04-01 10:27:09	gloomy_laptop	AuroraRainbow: looks like DHCP is failing? is it only for one network or all of them? Does it also happen if you connect directly to the 2.4/5ghz nets?
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2024-04-01 10:29:39	AuroraRainbow	gloomy_laptop it only happens when it switches between the nets, when I connect directly to a specific one or in cases where there is only one it doesn't happen
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2024-04-01 10:33:56	gloomy_laptop	Not an expert but as far as I remember there's multiple packages that can handle dhcp and they might conflict - in particular your logs seem to mention both network manager and dhcpcd? 
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2024-04-01 10:34:40	AuroraRainbow	I've set NetworkManager up to use dhcpcd as its dhcp client
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2024-04-01 10:34:57	gloomy_laptop	dhcpch shouldn't be needed since NM should handle dhcp on its own but maybe you need that for something specific
2024-04-01 10:35:02	gloomy_laptop	dhcpcd*
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2024-04-01 10:37:32	AuroraRainbow	Yea, i've had issues with the internal dhcp and the wiki recommended configuring NM to use a different dhcp client then
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2024-04-01 10:39:15	gloomy_laptop	You could try to temporarily go back to the built in dhcp client and see if the issue persists to narrow it down (especially since dhcpv6 seems to work and according to the wiki, "NetworkManager does not use dhcpcd for DHCPv6, see NetworkManager#DHCP client.")
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2024-04-01 10:46:35	demonicmaniac1	AuroraRainbow80: do you have anything in dmesg about segfaulting iwlwifi? i have that issue only on my one intel netbook where iwlwifi also crashes when switching
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2024-04-01 10:46:56	badsektor	hey anyone using ncspot?
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2024-04-01 13:45:20	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-01 12:00:27	shaarad87	Can someone please confirm that xz version 5.6.1-2 doesn't have the backdoor?
2024-04-01 12:49:41	arad	hi
2024-04-01 12:58:20	cloudowind	bye arad
2024-04-01 13:07:21	zarac	o/
2024-04-01 13:08:57	zarac	So, who uses snap (while on arch)? When and why?
2024-04-01 13:10:40	sweatiest	shaarad87, You can confirm that the archlinux PKGBUILD does not download the backdoored tarball from upstream, but rather from the upstream git repo
2024-04-01 13:10:44	sweatiest	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/xz/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads
2024-04-01 13:10:45	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / xz · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-01 13:11:03	martti	!ugm
2024-04-01 13:11:04	phrik	Good (ugt) morning to all from martti!
2024-04-01 13:11:12	astralc	WHY use snap is great question.
2024-04-01 13:11:20	zarac	gm martti :)
2024-04-01 13:11:55	zarac	astralc: yeah. I don't see much motivation for it (again, from arch perspective at least). But thinking maybe i'm missing something "smart".
2024-04-01 13:12:47	zarac	I'm thinking the 'distro agnostic' part sounds nice, but then being a canonical project it seems a bit contradicting.
2024-04-01 13:13:21	martti	hey, I seem to have a problem with gimp consistently. I use its "create new image from clipboard" function a lot and don't really save the result when pasting it elsewhere. for a couple of days I've seen gimp crash when I close it or choose file -> close (all)...
2024-04-01 13:13:22	zarac	i guess that's outside the scope of arch perspective, though. =D
2024-04-01 13:14:06	zarac	martti: if you copy something else to clipboard first, does it still crash?
2024-04-01 13:15:25	martti	good question. I got this traceback ^^ https://paste.fo/792d549ad93b
2024-04-01 13:15:29	phrik	Title: Untitled Paste | paste.fo (at paste.fo)
2024-04-01 13:16:12	mdevaev	Does anyone know what happened to George Rawlinson? It seems that all packages where he is the only maintainer have not been updated for a long time: https://archlinux.org/packages/?maintainer=grawlinson&sort=flag_date
2024-04-01 13:16:13	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-01 13:16:59	mdevaev	Personally, I need a new release of ttyd (https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/ttyd/)
2024-04-01 13:17:01	martti	hm, I'm just noticing that this also happens for screenshots, so no, it's not the clipboard.
2024-04-01 13:19:22	zarac	martti: the stacktrace doens't tell me much (uninitiated to gimp source).
2024-04-01 13:19:56	zarac	martti: what do you mean it happens for screenshots, too? How is this screenshot integrated with gimp?
2024-04-01 13:20:26	zarac	you just load an image? It makes some sense your screenshot is put into your clipboard, maybe?
2024-04-01 13:21:30	zarac	mdevaev: :(
2024-04-01 13:22:06	martti	zarac: so the screenshot utility appears to be a part of gimp that does not appear to use the clipboard at all, no.
2024-04-01 13:22:46	zarac	martti: ok. strange. Can it somehow be unloaded? Maybe if you start gimp from terminal you can get a clue in stdout.
2024-04-01 13:31:47	arojas	mdevaev: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/fish/ updated 12 hrs ago
2024-04-01 13:31:49	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - fish 3.7.1-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-01 13:31:50	arojas	https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/git-grab/ updated 12 hrs ago
2024-04-01 13:31:53	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - git-grab 2.1.0-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-01 13:32:13	arojas	https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/miniflux/ updated 12 hrs ago
2024-04-01 13:32:15	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - miniflux 2.1.2-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-01 13:33:12	zarac	martti: how do you get the image into the clipboard?
2024-04-01 13:42:22	jclsn	I somehow removed one of my soundcards in pavucontrol. Does anyone know how to get it back?
2024-04-01 13:42:35	jclsn	I think I changed the profile to none and then suddenly it was gone
2024-04-01 13:42:41	astralc	change the profile back
2024-04-01 13:43:01	jclsn	It is not in the menu anymore
2024-04-01 13:43:07	jclsn	I can list it with pactl though
2024-04-01 13:43:09	astralc	in "devices"?
2024-04-01 13:43:22	mdevaev	arojas: in any case, there are quite a lot of un-updated packages. I have no complaints about the maintainer, I'm just trying to find out if everything is ok and, if possible, ask him to update ttyd
2024-04-01 13:43:52	jclsn	astralc: Yeah, it is not listed in devices anymore
2024-04-01 13:44:53	jclsn	Ah got it back
2024-04-01 13:45:01	astralc	how?
2024-04-01 13:45:14	jclsn	By opening the actual pavucontrol and not he Plasma applet
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2024-04-01 13:45:44	Aryan	it would be nice it `checkupdates` from could show the file sizes to be downloaded...
2024-04-01 13:45:45	astralc	it is not the same UI
2024-04-01 13:46:18	astralc	also, in plasma settings you should see it even if disabled
2024-04-01 13:46:24	Aryan	it would be nice if `checkupdates` from 'pacman-contrib' could show the file sizes to be downloaded...
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2024-04-01 13:47:09	astralc	it can't know 100%, as it doesn't show new deps
2024-04-01 13:47:18	astralc	^ checkupdates
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2024-04-01 13:47:28	jclsn	Ah, the card has multiple profiles. When I set it to the Channel A/B profiles, it disappears from the list. Weird
2024-04-01 13:51:47	Aryan	is it written in bash?
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2024-04-01 13:52:47	astralc	Aryan: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman-contrib/-/blob/master/src/checkupdates.sh.in?ref_type=heads
2024-04-01 13:52:49	phrik	Title: src/checkupdates.sh.in · master · Pacman / Pacman Contrib · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-01 13:54:55	Aryan	cool!
2024-04-01 14:01:47	zarac	I have an AUR account. How does it relate to archlinux SSO (used for signing in to gitlab). It seems it's different. Can i link / enable SSO somehow, so i can use it for gitlab?
2024-04-01 14:06:48	zarac	seem SSO is a staff only service: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:Staff_Services
2024-04-01 14:06:50	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:Staff Services - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-01 14:51:24	hseg	ah ok, looking at vercmp source, https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman/-/blob/master/lib/libalpm/version.c?ref_type=heads#L83 it breaks the version string into segments of alphanumeric characters, then compares versions segment-by-segment
2024-04-01 14:51:26	phrik	Title: lib/libalpm/version.c · master · Pacman / Pacman · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-01 14:51:47	tirnanog	v0.3.16.0_f < v0.3.17.0 < v0.3.17.0_a
2024-04-01 14:52:50	hseg	nice!
2024-04-01 14:53:07	zarac	hseg: i've only made a few aur packages, for personal use, so not an expert.
2024-04-01 14:53:29	zarac	So you can just put a . between the two last part in the last part ? 0a -> 0.a ?
2024-04-01 14:53:48	hseg	was just considering v0.3.17.0.r0 < v0.3.17.0.build.a.r0
2024-04-01 14:54:04	hseg	zarac: that clashes with .r as mentioned above
2024-04-01 14:56:13	zarac	hmm.. i thought the .r is something you add? it's not relevant until after your massaging, right? It still conflicts? Maybe then translate it into a number (why they have a letter to count in the first place beats me..)
2024-04-01 14:56:41	zarac	hseg: feel free to ignore me as i'm not sure i'm actually helping you.. ; )
2024-04-01 14:56:42	hseg	me too, but I'd rather not mess with upstream numbers too much
2024-04-01 14:56:51	zarac	makes total sense.
2024-04-01 14:56:53	hseg	and yes, the .r is added at the end
2024-04-01 14:57:10	hseg	but you want your base number to compare stably wrt these additions
2024-04-01 14:57:29	hseg	... ofc, much easier solution, just realized
2024-04-01 14:57:32	grawity	https://twitter.com/tehmondspartan/status/1774532753524220102
2024-04-01 14:58:03	hseg	use git describe --match=v[0-9.]*[0-9.] to generate the base version
2024-04-01 14:58:37	hseg	ignoring the patch releases
2024-04-01 14:58:48	zarac	Maybe talk to upstream and ask them to explain what matters. Perhaps the last numbers are not important. maybe 0.3.16.0.rXX is enough?
2024-04-01 14:59:00	zarac	ah, git describe ftw if that solves it for you =D
2024-04-01 14:59:30	hseg	right, so that "drop the letter component" solution is what I'm going with
2024-04-01 14:59:43	zarac	grawity: gross! : )
2024-04-01 14:59:54	hseg	and I can get it very easily by filtering out the bad tags using git describe
2024-04-01 15:00:04	zarac	nice hseg. Glad you found a solution. GL HF =D
2024-04-01 15:15:57	hseg	thanks for the help!
2024-04-01 15:25:05	phonemic	This package hasn't had an update in 2 year. Yubico has changed the name and github URL. How do I report this? https://github.com/Yubico/yubioath-flutter
2024-04-01 15:25:12	phonemic	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/yubioath-desktop/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads
2024-04-01 15:25:14	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / yubioath-desktop · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-01 15:25:56	gromit	phonemic: create a bug: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/yubioath-desktop/-/issues/new
2024-04-01 15:25:57	phrik	Title: Sign in · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-01 15:40:04	chiselfuse	i want `sudo pacman -Sy stack` to upgrade `stack` and all of it's dependencies. how do i do that?
2024-04-01 15:40:11	chiselfuse	yes i know incremental updates are bad
2024-04-01 15:40:23	chiselfuse	i cannot afford internet quota
2024-04-01 15:40:35	chiselfuse	for a full system upgrade
2024-04-01 15:40:51	Tom^	not only bad, its almost guaranteed to break
2024-04-01 15:40:58	Tom^	so dont
2024-04-01 15:41:14	chiselfuse	just let me break it
2024-04-01 15:41:22	Namarrgon	you can't
2024-04-01 15:41:24	chiselfuse	how do i do what i described?
2024-04-01 15:42:41	chiselfuse	i cannot afford full system upgrade now ffs
2024-04-01 15:42:56	Namarrgon	why do you need to update stack now?
2024-04-01 15:43:33	chiselfuse	Namarrgon: something depends on newer versions of it
2024-04-01 15:43:41	chiselfuse	that i need to use now
2024-04-01 15:43:49	Namarrgon	there's not enough information in the metadata to update package-X and only its direct dependencies
2024-04-01 15:44:05	chiselfuse	lmao, total full system upgrade is 5GB
2024-04-01 15:44:14	chiselfuse	can't do
2024-04-01 15:44:23	Namarrgon	you can naively update all of its dependencies but that will update more than necessary
2024-04-01 15:44:35	chiselfuse	Namarrgon: how do i do that
2024-04-01 15:44:54	Namarrgon	get a list of dependencies from pactree, feed them into pacman
2024-04-01 15:45:24	Tom^	i highly suspect nothing is going to work at all, since its haskell
2024-04-01 15:45:38	Tom^	and then whats the point if stack wont even work
2024-04-01 15:45:47	Namarrgon	a lesson learned
2024-04-01 15:45:55	Tom^	get to a mcdonalds with wifi and update lol
2024-04-01 15:46:01	Tom^	but still 5gb? wow
2024-04-01 15:46:03	Tom^	how
2024-04-01 15:46:15	bookworm	5GB update 🤔 what on earth do you have installed
2024-04-01 15:46:16	chiselfuse	the download size is 5GB yea
2024-04-01 15:46:22	chiselfuse	also no mcdonalds i'm in middle of nowhere
2024-04-01 15:46:40	chiselfuse	bookworm: that's only download size, not net upgrade on disk
2024-04-01 15:46:42	Namarrgon	that's not much for desktop system, ime
2024-04-01 15:46:52	Namarrgon	*for a
2024-04-01 15:47:05	chiselfuse	net disk upgrade is +187mb
2024-04-01 15:48:23	chiselfuse	everything is breaking with my partial upgrades bleh
2024-04-01 15:48:53	chiselfuse	think i'll just spend a fuckton more money on a quota extension and full upgrade
2024-04-01 16:02:38	colo	last pkg upgrade (amdgpu, mesa) broke mpv via gpu/vulkan rendering for me - video playback fails with "[vo/gpu/libplacebo] vk->CreateSwapchainKHR(...): VK_ERROR_OUT_OF_HOST_MEMORY (../src/vulkan/swapchain.c:620)", on an AMD Radeon Vega Series (AM4 Zen3 iGPU)
2024-04-01 16:10:44	travisghansen	what's the best way via a crude 'daemon' bash script or similar to determine when monitors are plugged/unplugged (using kernel/wayland/drm)? I don't want to poll something, need an actual event fired
2024-04-01 16:12:04	BrainDamage	look at udev
2024-04-01 16:13:16	BrainDamage	phrik: give travisghansen duck arch wiki udev hdmi
2024-04-01 16:13:17	phrik	travisghansen: udev - ArchWiki - udev is a userspace system that enables the operating system administrator to register userspace handlers for events. The events received by udev's daemon are mainly generated by the (Linux) kernel in response to physical events relating to peripheral devices.As such, udev's main purpose is to act upon peripheral detection and hot-plugging, including actions that
2024-04-01 16:13:17	phrik	return control to the kernel ...  (3 more messages)
2024-04-01 16:15:30	travisghansen	I tried that, but it seems a little rough around the edges (at least what I've found so far), I get several events fired for plug/unplug but the event data doesn't include *what* happened, and it also doesn't include which connector (ie: a single card has 2 connectors and I don't get data which indicates which connector)
2024-04-01 16:16:12	travisghansen	I would have to continually poll the current state of each connector and compare when the event came through which is less than  ideal :(, maybe I'm running it wrong though..
2024-04-01 16:18:00	BrainDamage	check with udevadm monitor what data is seen
2024-04-01 16:18:55	Tom^	and even worse part if on nvidia it wont even update the connector as "enabled/disabled"
2024-04-01 16:19:34	Tom^	/sys/class/drm/card0-HDMI-A-1/enabled etc
2024-04-01 16:19:40	Tom^	nvidia doesnt seem to care :P
2024-04-01 16:20:00	pulec	!!!4:20!!!
2024-04-01 16:20:01	phrik	pulec: Is that a question?
2024-04-01 16:20:39	Tom^	or well atleast on 515 or so series, gave up on that approach long time ago. dont remember why i needed it even lol
2024-04-01 16:21:01	pulec	I only got "/sys/class/drm/card0-Unknown-1/enabled"
2024-04-01 16:21:28	pulec	that's disabled? :D
2024-04-01 16:21:32	pulec	but status is connected
2024-04-01 16:21:39	pulec	and mode is correct res
2024-04-01 16:25:18	travisghansen	ie: this was a connect hdmi to port in the real world - https://dpaste.org/4KyFX
2024-04-01 16:25:20	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/Xz9z.txt
2024-04-01 16:25:21	phrik	Title: dpaste/4KyFX (Python) (at dpaste.org)
2024-04-01 16:26:08	travisghansen	3 events, only says 'change', so I don't know *what* changed which means I would have to keep track of previous values
2024-04-01 16:33:58	pulec	mc is lovely https://gist.github.com/samiraguiar/9cd4264445545cfd459d
2024-04-01 16:42:08	tonitch	Hello, I just upgraded archlinux on my main pc, then restarted and linux grub didn't find linux files. (not the first time) so I used my trusty recovery key and mounted my files then tried to pacstrap /mnt linux . But I got the error unable to lock database. What should I do ? 
2024-04-01 16:43:07	tonitch	my concern is that I don't know if pacstrap uses the host database or the mounted database
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2024-04-01 16:51:34	wdb	try removing /mnt/var/lib/pacman/db.lck
2024-04-01 16:51:41	Namarrgon	pacstrap will use the database in the chroot
2024-04-01 16:52:02	Namarrgon	but if there is a lock file then pacman must have been terminated
2024-04-01 16:52:23	Namarrgon	which would explain why there is no kernel image, since the post-install hooks didn't run
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2024-04-01 17:01:31	mpan	I checked, and Arch is still not using this product to secure the system. I think we should really be concerned, given the constant threat from state actors: <https://www.youtube.com/embed/sp3fn_X7Yxg>.
2024-04-01 17:01:32	phrik	Title: YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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2024-04-01 17:10:40	tonitch	Namarrgon: I figured just after sending this message, for some reason most of my package where broken so I made a full upgrade and now it works... I might have rebooted without finalizing my upgrade without realising it
2024-04-01 17:13:21	cake37	mpan: wtf is that
2024-04-01 17:17:45	mpan	cake37: a package that should be installed on any system (except HDDs, where it may interfere with bearings) to make sure malicious state actors can’t encrypt one’s stash of cat photos. But Arch is not having it in the repos! :(
2024-04-01 17:26:14	xx	is a new ISO coming out today?
2024-04-01 17:27:10	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-01 17:27:32	mpan	xx: if you are concerned about the xz situation, there is an emergency 29th release. Dunno about the today one.
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2024-04-01 17:28:31	xx	mpan: I am not
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2024-04-01 17:28:42	xx	I am just wondering if a new ISO is coming today, given that one came out 3 days ago
2024-04-01 17:29:01	xx	and they periodically come out on the 1st of the month
2024-04-01 17:29:19	mpan	Oh. On that I also wonder, and dunno.
2024-04-01 17:29:25	zarac	travisghansen: not sure your end goal. But maybe `kanshi` package can help you (if it's about monitor changes and you're on wayland).
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2024-04-01 17:31:02	Namarrgon	tonitch: reinstall all packages from that update again, even if the files were upgraded fine the hook didn't all finish
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2024-04-01 17:31:10	Namarrgon	*hooks
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2024-04-01 17:32:09	travisghansen	zarac: thanks for the link, good to know about that...I'm after something a little lower level than that though, building an iot-like kiosk device with cage launching chromium
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2024-04-01 17:33:44	travisghansen	if an hdmi cable is unplugged (or not plugged in at boot) and then later plugged in the default res on the screen *usually* becomes a pretty low-res setup, I just want to detect plugin events and handle setting/restoring the res
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2024-04-01 17:42:38	mister_ripley	If I am using Kate wit the terminal plugin, is there a keyboard shortcut to switch between editor and terminal?
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2024-04-01 17:50:05	zarac	travisghansen: Neat. : )
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2024-04-01 17:51:16	travisghansen	kinda fun :) controlling them all remotely over websockets
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2024-04-01 17:54:09	zarac	travisghansen: do you really need to know exactly what changed? Maybe it's sufficient to, on event, make sure your things are as they should according to current state.
2024-04-01 17:56:26	travisghansen	perhaps, part of what's tricky is I in the management portal an ability to set the desired screen res (it gets pushed down over the socket and changed), so I don't want to override 'manual' changes already sent
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2024-04-01 17:56:57	zarac	hmm..
2024-04-01 17:57:33	zarac	can res be read upon event and used to set desired (whatever).
2024-04-01 17:57:36	zarac	?
2024-04-01 17:57:38	travisghansen	the devices checkin on a regular basis and push the wlr-randr data so the portal knows what resolutions are possible and all that, I have a dropdown in the webui to set what you want
2024-04-01 17:57:58	greentail	Hi. I was using Firefox, and suddenly the screen went completely black, and the only thing visible was a blinking cursor on the top left corner. I had to force reboot my PC by pressing the physical button. 
2024-04-01 17:58:33	greentail	Then, after the reboot, I got a message that says, "You're being dropped into an emergency shell". What should I do?   
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2024-04-01 17:59:59	travisghansen	zarac: I could get the res upon event using wlr-randr yeah, maybe I just need to store in memory (in the control daemon) the set res, not sure exactly how to reconcile all that though...I'll put some thought into it, thanks for the ideas :D
2024-04-01 18:00:13	zarac	ok. so the setting is there. Seems you have all pieces. I still think maybe you kan use kanshi. If it's still not triggered maybe this udev hook (or if escaped is pressed or something silly) can trigger a `kanshictl reload`. You set up profiles in .config/kanshi .. resolution is set there, you can have your web-ui update this file.
2024-04-01 18:00:16	greentail	After the reboot, I got some other lines, like this: running early hook udev, starting systemd-udevd version 255, running hook udev  
2024-04-01 18:01:28	travisghansen	zarac: the problem is that the *current* setting is there, I have to keep track of what it *was* somehow before the unplug happened
2024-04-01 18:01:46	zarac	travisghansen: i discovered kanshi not long ago and it has made made my monitor changes quite well.. so maybe i'm baised here.. ; )
2024-04-01 18:02:05	greentail	I also got: triggering uevents, running hook keymap, loading keymap done, waiting 10 seconds for device dev/disk/byuuid, waiting 10 seconds for device, error device not found 
2024-04-01 18:02:17	zarac	travisghansen: is the current setting in some database or so.. for your web ui? .. or is it just directly set?
2024-04-01 18:02:18	travisghansen	yeah, it's just not really a fit for my use-case, these devices will be changing monitors frequently
2024-04-01 18:03:01	travisghansen	the current setting is available by simply exec'ing wlr-randr and getting the currently set value
2024-04-01 18:03:12	zarac	travisghansen: hmm.. ok. So the web-ui is not the kiosk, right? It's remote?
2024-04-01 18:03:28	travisghansen	yes, entirely separate backend
2024-04-01 18:03:59	zarac	travisghansen: so when you switch output. do you usually visit the web-ui to set it up? .. Or should this friction be gone, too?
2024-04-01 18:04:05	travisghansen	devices can/will be behind nat/etc so I don't really have direct access to the devices in that regard
2024-04-01 18:04:37	zarac	They should 'always just work'?
2024-04-01 18:04:48	travisghansen	essentially yes
2024-04-01 18:05:33	travisghansen	it's a bit complicated though lol, the devices are running displays like scoreboards in stadiums etc, so the screen settings can be very complicated
2024-04-01 18:05:42	zarac	hmm
2024-04-01 18:06:09	zarac	do you know kanshi before?
2024-04-01 18:06:45	zarac	It seems it does exactly this.. ; ) You define profiles.. complicated or not. If a profile exactly matches.. it's used.. Else i think everything is just on (or whatever default is without kanshi).
2024-04-01 18:06:46	travisghansen	some are effectively led grids that have hdmi -> grid converters in front of them, so that actual res of the screen doesn't match what the hardware sees
2024-04-01 18:07:06	zarac	travisghansen: neat stuff =D Sounds fun.
2024-04-01 18:07:25	travisghansen	yes, but the devices are nomads, they will be hooked up to different screens traveling around all over the place
2024-04-01 18:08:08	zarac	so hopefully it just works to hook it up, right? .. and if not, you visit web-ui to set profile.
2024-04-01 18:08:12	travisghansen	screens that range from 4k to 288x144 pixels, crazy shit like that
2024-04-01 18:08:40	zarac	You could even share this profile list (kanshi config) between devices.. so if another device visits what another device has seen, it's already set up.
2024-04-01 18:09:00	zarac	hehe : ) i think kanshi cares less.. it's job is to set modes for screens dynamically.
2024-04-01 18:10:04	zarac	sorry i'm promoting this kanshi thing. I learned about it and monitor setups 'just work' for me since then. We can leave it and let focus come back to udev or whatever instead... ; )
2024-04-01 18:10:21	zarac	also i think it fits your problem.. from what i hear. : )
2024-04-01 18:10:43	zarac	s/it's/its
2024-04-01 18:11:50	greentail	I got dropped into emergency shell. What should I do? 
2024-04-01 18:13:08	gehidore	panic
2024-04-01 18:13:20	Scimmia	!panic
2024-04-01 18:13:21	phrik	https://eured.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/oh-noes-everybody-panic.gif
2024-04-01 18:15:33	greentail	gehidore: https://0x0.st/Xz9R.txt  
2024-04-01 18:17:06	greentail	Already panicked, I'm on the next step. That's the output of journalctl
2024-04-01 18:17:18	xt28	:)
2024-04-01 18:18:21	Scimmia	greentail: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=294465
2024-04-01 18:18:23	phrik	Title: agetty: failed to open credentials directory / System Administration / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-04-01 18:18:41	Scimmia	don't know if that's what's dropping you to emergency mode, though
2024-04-01 18:19:09	Scimmia	it should have told you why you were in emergency mode
2024-04-01 18:19:33	Scimmia	looks like that link shouldn't be fatal
2024-04-01 18:21:03	greentail	Scimmia: as for the reason for being dropped into an emergency shell, it says: ERROR failed to mount UUID=xxxx on real root
2024-04-01 18:21:35	greentail	Scimmia: thanks. What's the solution to that agetty problem?
2024-04-01 18:21:38	Scimmia	then that's happening well before you get into the system, the journal isn't going to get you anything
2024-04-01 18:22:18	Scimmia	what does uname -r show at the emergency shell?
2024-04-01 18:22:31	Scimmia	and does it line up with what's in /lib/modules/?
2024-04-01 18:25:55	greentail	Scimmia: After the emergency shell, I turned off my PC. Then I turned it on again, and this time it did boot properly. However, I'm still worried this could happen again, and wonder why this happened. Am not in the emergency shell anymore. Should I enter the emergency shell and run your command?  
2024-04-01 18:26:24	Scimmia	if it booted fine, how do you expect to get to the emergency shell?
2024-04-01 18:26:28	greentail	Scimmia: I ran your command in a normal terminal, after a normal boot, and the output of `uname -r` does line up with the output of `ls /lib/modules`
2024-04-01 18:27:17	Scimmia	if it didn't, it wouldn't have booted
2024-04-01 18:27:31	greentail	Scimmia: I guess there must be a way to get to the emergency shell even when the computer boots fine? I don't know how to do it, but I guess there must be a way  
2024-04-01 18:28:20	xt28	greentail: I think you can append 'emergency' (or was it 'rescue'?) to the kernel command line, but i don't know if that is going to be useful.
2024-04-01 18:28:48	Scimmia	that won't get you to the initramfs emergency shell, though, which is where they were at
2024-04-01 18:29:56	xt28	Scimmia: I think it used to. I’m using booster though, so I don’t know. No, wait, it was "break=..." something.
2024-04-01 18:30:00	xt28	greentail: ^
2024-04-01 18:30:33	Scimmia	If it booted, they're fine, though
2024-04-01 18:30:40	xt28	True.
2024-04-01 18:31:14	Scimmia	we can't troubleshoot something that only happened in ram and is now working fine
2024-04-01 18:31:14	greentail	xt28: so, nothing to worry about? 
2024-04-01 18:31:43	greentail	Scimmia: wait, it happened in RAM? How were you able to tell?  
2024-04-01 18:32:01	Scimmia	because it wasn't able to mount the root partition, so you were still in the initramfs
2024-04-01 18:32:06	xt28	greentail: We don’t know what caused the error, so ...
2024-04-01 18:32:08	greentail	xt28: should I start using booster initramfs generator?  
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2024-04-01 18:32:38	greentail	Scimmia: got it. So it's possible it was because of faulty RAM? 
2024-04-01 18:33:03	xt28	greentail: It has nothing to do with your issue, but you could try it. I like it. It generates the initramfs images very quickly.
2024-04-01 18:33:11	Scimmia	it's possible, along with a bunch of other possibilities
2024-04-01 18:34:28	greentail	xt28: by default, what does Arch use instead of booster?  
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2024-04-01 18:35:45	Gordinator	Hello, my udisks2 service isn't working and I'm not entirely sure what is going on: https://0x0.st/Xzpq.log
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2024-04-01 18:36:59	Scimmia	Gordinator: looks more like sdb is broken
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2024-04-01 18:37:47	teraflops	does udisk2 use fstab? if yes, what's in there?
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2024-04-01 18:41:48	teraflops	it does not make use of it from what I gather from the wiki
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2024-04-01 18:47:03	teraflops	isn't accessing devices by /dev/sdx could be misleading since they can change the letter randomly?
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2024-04-01 18:47:33	Scimmia	udisks is generally used for removable devices
2024-04-01 18:47:53	Scimmia	the name itself doesn't matter, that's just what it is right now
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2024-04-01 18:49:57	teraflops	ah I see
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2024-04-01 19:50:51	jab416171	whenever I try to build a go app (https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/autobrr is a recent example) I get an error on the linker go is trying to use. anyone know how to fix this? flag provided but not defined: -Wl,--sort-common usage: link [options] main.o
2024-04-01 19:50:52	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - autobrr (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-01 19:56:46	astralc	link is not linker
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2024-04-01 19:58:48	astralc	!give jab416171 paste
2024-04-01 19:58:48	phrik	jab416171: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-01 19:59:15	pm123123123	!0x0
2024-04-01 19:59:16	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
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2024-04-01 20:00:43	pm123123123	0x0 generated URL is not randomized
2024-04-01 20:01:31	astralc	ix is dead?
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2024-04-01 20:03:00	gehidore	pm123123123 they're incremental, are you afraid someone is going to scrape your logs?
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2024-04-01 20:03:41	pm123123123	i'm not afraid. just want to point it out.
2024-04-01 20:04:18	pm123123123	I like paste.rs more. Just saying.
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2024-04-01 20:06:43	bookworm	!rs
2024-04-01 20:06:43	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
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2024-04-01 20:10:13	jab416171	I've tried it with and without aurman astralc https://bpa.st/4BEA
2024-04-01 20:10:14	phrik	Title: View paste 4BEA (at bpa.st)
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2024-04-01 20:16:02	astralc	I get the same error on autobrr
2024-04-01 20:16:26	astralc	I think it missing " around ${LDFLAGS} in extldflags
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2024-04-01 20:17:40	Warepire	I just looked, the missing " " are definitely a problem
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2024-04-01 20:19:16	vi6	a couple of days before the xv exploit, I ran tar xv. I am assuming I should reinstall arch after backing up configs and such(?). I just installed not that long ago, so it's not a huge deal.
2024-04-01 20:19:31	teraflops	xv?
2024-04-01 20:19:39	vi6	xz
2024-04-01 20:20:24	Warepire	astralc, jab416171; It might need to be escaped, as it's part of a block of switches passed already in " "
2024-04-01 20:20:38	Namarrgon	vi6: if it makes you feel better, sure, but there's so far not been any sign for backdoors in arch
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2024-04-01 20:20:59	astralc	Warepire, jab416171: I escaped it and the package finished building
2024-04-01 20:21:08	Namarrgon	and after reinstalling you'll just end up with the same software again
2024-04-01 20:21:24	vi6	thank you very much, Nam. Maybe I'll just wait it out.
2024-04-01 20:22:31	vi6	Namarrgon: wasn't it updated to -2? There was an arch post about it that said to -Syu
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2024-04-01 20:22:49	Namarrgon	that was just a rebuild with a different source
2024-04-01 20:23:08	Namarrgon	using git instead of the tarball
2024-04-01 20:23:22	ldiamond	Might be worth adding a note in the topic about CVE-2024-3094?
2024-04-01 20:23:22	jab416171	interesting
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2024-04-01 20:23:56	jab416171	astralc, I also tried building a newer version of https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/cloudflared/ and got the same error
2024-04-01 20:23:57	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - cloudflared 2024.1.5-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-01 20:24:01	jab416171	what exactly did you escape?
2024-04-01 20:24:34	meowpan	vi6: no signs of malware has been found beyond the exploit affecting sshd, and not even sshd in Arch, and this not even being built on Arch. So for all we know, nothing has happened in here. Stay alert, obseve news, but don’t panic.
2024-04-01 20:24:44	astralc	"${LDFLAGS}"
2024-04-01 20:24:47	Warepire	jab416171: Neat, that package has the same problem.
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2024-04-01 20:24:58	jab416171	huh
2024-04-01 20:26:01	vi6	well, my sshd service wasn't and isn't on, also
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2024-04-01 20:26:45	Warepire	jab416171: ${LDFLAGS} needs to be quoted, but since it's already part of a quote block, that quoting also needs escaping.
2024-04-01 20:27:03	vi6	did arch initially pull from the tarballs for -1? bc if so, then I un-tar'd some .xz xcursors, and hmm ... not that I'm paranoid, but
2024-04-01 20:27:14	vi6	okay, I'm borderline paranoid
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2024-04-01 20:27:29	astralc	or change the quote type to '
2024-04-01 20:27:43	astralc	inside it
2024-04-01 20:27:59	meowpan	vi6: -1 used release tarballs, -2 uses the repo source. There is no need to be paranoid. Once again: there is no malware found beyond exploit affecting sshd, and not even sshd in Arch, and in Arch it wasn’t even built with the exploit.
2024-04-01 20:28:05	jab416171	very interesting
2024-04-01 20:28:06	jab416171	cheers guys
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2024-04-01 20:28:30	vi6	okayokayokayokay. sorry for pushing it. ty low bow
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2024-04-01 20:29:33	phrik	vi6: While Arch Linux is unaffected by the exploit caused by the backdoor, it is still there. Update RIGHT NOW. Also see https://gist.github.com/thesamesam/223949d5a074ebc3dce9ee78baad9e27 and https://archlinux.org/news/the-xz-package-has-been-backdoored/
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2024-04-01 20:30:29	meowpan	vi6: update to -2 (even if it seems it’s a procedural/policy/transparency move, not a technical change). Because the situation is ugly, be alert and observe how it develops. But absolutely no reason to panic and no sign of anything being even close to being compromised in Arch.
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2024-04-01 20:31:36	astralc	jab416171: I see someone open MR for cloudflared package about it: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/cloudflared/-/merge_requests/1/diffs
2024-04-01 20:31:37	phrik	Title: Surround LDFLAGS with quotes (!1) · Merge requests · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / cloudflared · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-01 20:31:38	meowpan	NetSysFire: let me find the gist, a second…
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2024-04-01 20:33:16	astralc	so "how effed we are" from 1 to heartbleed?
2024-04-01 20:33:20	meowpan	NetSysFire: but before posting it to panicking people, be careful. It’s work-in-progress and meant to provide overview of what we know, not comprehensive advice. It contains a lot of statements, which may be misrepresented. :)
2024-04-01 20:34:07	meowpan	NetSysFire: https://gist.github.com/thesamesam/223949d5a074ebc3dce9ee78baad9e27
2024-04-01 20:34:15	astralc	!qsearch heartbleed
2024-04-01 20:34:16	phrik	astralc: #29673: I Googled 'heartbleed vb' first...
2024-04-01 20:34:25	ldiamond	Maybe add this link to the topic? https://archlinux.org/news/the-xz-package-has-been-backdoored/
2024-04-01 20:34:27	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: The xz package has been backdoored (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-01 20:34:39	astralc	oops, meant to search in offtopic
2024-04-01 20:34:42	gromit	NetSysFire: https://boehs.org/node/everything-i-know-about-the-xz-backdoor and https://gist.github.com/thesamesam/223949d5a074ebc3dce9ee78baad9e27 are good reads 
2024-04-01 20:34:43	phrik	Title: Everything I know about the XZ backdoor (at boehs.org)
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2024-04-01 20:34:54	meowpan	NetSysFire: it does mention Windows 11 may be affected, for example, which may be very badly used in improper way. So careful with sharing.
2024-04-01 20:35:11	ldiamond	According to the link it looks like only vms/containers builds were affected.
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2024-04-01 20:40:01	meowpan	NetSysFire: well, no longer mentions Windows 11 even. Good. So libarchive verified their code (or somebody in MS did at least their fragments).
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2024-04-01 20:40:29	jab416171	ah nice astralc 
2024-04-01 20:40:47	jab416171	I'm talking to the maintainer for autobrr in discord about it
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2024-04-01 20:41:52	jab416171	they say it builds fine on their system as-is... why would mine have spaces and theirs wouldn't?
2024-04-01 20:41:54	jab416171	what even is that variable
2024-04-01 20:43:47	Scimmia	see makepkg.conf
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2024-04-01 20:46:02	jab416171	huh, still no spaces though
2024-04-01 20:46:03	jab416171	LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1,--sort-common,--as-needed,-z,relro,-z,now"
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2024-04-01 20:46:25	jab416171	nvm that's on my desktop
2024-04-01 20:46:29	jab416171	on my server it's a little different
2024-04-01 20:46:44	jab416171	LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--sort-common -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-z,now -Wl,-z,pack-relative-relocs"
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2024-04-01 20:47:52	sangy	I have a sad libreoffice
2024-04-01 20:48:15	sangy	fails to load /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/../program/libsdlo.so 
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2024-04-01 20:50:21	sangy	yeah it seems to be 24.2.2-2
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2024-04-01 20:56:30	sangy	oh I figured it out 
2024-04-01 20:56:41	sangy	turns out that if you have a lo* instance running and update it memes out 
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2024-04-02 08:50:43	xecuter	is "zenpower-pci-00c3" the temperature of CPU?
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2024-04-02 08:58:09	low-key	how can i rebind keys in the lists that zathura shows to let you open files? 
2024-04-02 08:58:21	xecuter	NetSysFire: if i take a look, there is no 00c3 
2024-04-02 08:58:33	xecuter	i need parameters for lspci?
2024-04-02 08:58:37	low-key	the zathurarc manual says map <C-p> jumplist backward should do it
2024-04-02 08:58:48	low-key	but it doesn't seem to have any effect
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2024-04-02 08:59:24	xecuter	03:00:0 Ethernet Controller
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2024-04-02 09:01:05	xecuter	lspci -- is same list
2024-04-02 09:02:13	xecuter	sry, i mean  lspci -nn
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2024-04-02 09:10:09	xecuter	but i see the next problem. "cairo-dock" needs 1400% cpu usage. temperature from 44°C -> 77°C in some minutes. It reach 80°C, computer autorebooting
2024-04-02 09:10:52	phrik	Title: General troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-02 09:11:19	xecuter	atm i have killed cairo-dock... cooler is quiet....zenpower-pci-003c Tctl: 42,1°C
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2024-04-02 09:17:07	xecuter	nahh now i wanted try latte-dock and read. latte-dock is not supporting kde6 -.-
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2024-04-02 09:19:26	post-factum	Antiz: re vm.max_map_count, I'd suggest making this change in kernel. Arch already carries sysctl-related changes as a separate patch ("ZEN: Add sysctl and CONFIG to disallow unprivileged CLONE_NEWUSER")
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2024-04-02 09:20:22	post-factum	Antiz: otherwise, `filesystem` package looks more appropriate as this change has nothing to do with neither `procps-ng` nor `systemd` upstream
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2024-04-02 09:23:43	Antiz	post-factum: I understand why having this change in the kernel would make sense but as there is multiple kernels packages, making this __the default__ (which is the aim of the proposal) will imply to ship this change in every kernel packages. It's not a huge deal on its own but would be better to have shipped in one single package IMO.
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2024-04-02 09:24:08	Antiz	post-factum: filesystem makes sense, I mentioned it already.
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2024-04-02 09:26:48	post-factum	Antiz: well, unprivileged CLONE_NEWUSER is shipped in every kernel package, no?
2024-04-02 09:27:42	Antiz	FWIW, while Arch tries to stay as close as possible to upstream in packages, I don't think it's a huge deal to ship a ~~Arch specific~~ change (not really Arch specific actually now) to a package for such cases. We also expect at some point that it will be added upstream anyway :D
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2024-04-02 09:28:50	xecuter	with plank dock i see.... it is steam what is usage so much cpu power and makes the temperature to high
2024-04-02 09:29:04	post-factum	Antiz: regarding making this change to upstream, the email you referred to was sent to LKML only, meaning it is highly unlikely any of the maintainers actually saw it
2024-04-02 09:29:14	Antiz	post-factum: Once again, I didn't say it was not doable to ship it at the kernel level, I'm just doing that I assume we would rather include it in like `filesystem` rather than in 4 kernel packages.
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2024-04-02 09:29:26	Antiz	s/doing/saying/
2024-04-02 09:30:02	Antiz	But I can indeed mention the kernel packages in the proposal :)
2024-04-02 09:30:35	Antiz	Antiz: The change request has been made to upstream already in the appropriate ML :)
2024-04-02 09:31:26	Antiz	There's actually a link to it in my initial mail in the proposal thread. I wasn't expecting this Arch specific thread to reach upstream ;)
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2024-04-02 09:32:22	low-key	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/SSHFS#On_demand says one needs to reload the systemd configuration and the required services
2024-04-02 09:32:23	phrik	Title: SSHFS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-02 09:32:35	low-key	and that the required services can be found by running systemctl list-unit-files --type automount
2024-04-02 09:32:59	low-key	running this returns home-loki-videos-transmission.automount with STATE as generated and PRESET as -
2024-04-02 09:33:09	low-key	i've already done sudo systemctl daemon-relaod
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2024-04-02 09:33:33	xecuter	how i can add cpu-temperatures in plasma-systemmonitor, too?
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2024-04-02 09:33:55	low-key	doing sudo systemctl restart home-loki-videos-transmission.automount exits successfully
2024-04-02 09:34:18	low-key	but listing the units again shows that its STATE is still "generated" and the PRESET is still -
2024-04-02 09:34:22	low-key	is this expected behaviour?
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2024-04-02 09:34:50	Antiz	post-factum: Sorry, I didn't get what you said about the upstream proposal made to LKML only at first. My bad. I did not wrote this mail myself, just found it when I was writing the proposal on Arch side.
2024-04-02 09:35:13	post-factum	Antiz: if you are talking about https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/566168554.272637693.1710968734203.JavaMail.root@zimbra54-e10.priv.proxad.net/, yes, it was sent to LKML only, but I've just forwarded it to -mm as well
2024-04-02 09:35:38	Antiz	post-factum: Yeah sorry, I did not get it at first. My bad.
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2024-04-02 09:36:25	Antiz	post-factum: We'll see how it goes, but to be honest, I'm not sure upstream will consider that change just yet.
2024-04-02 09:36:30	Antiz	Did you forward it as is?
2024-04-02 09:36:48	Antiz	Because I also think some relevant/important information are missing from it
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2024-04-02 09:45:19	post-factum	Antiz: as-is. feel free to reply to it with more info
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2024-04-02 09:46:51	post-factum	Antiz: this is my raw email https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/13499186.uLZWGnKmhe@natalenko.name/raw
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2024-04-02 09:47:17	post-factum	you can import it into your email client and just hit "reply all"
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2024-04-02 09:53:10	Antiz	post-factum: Thanks. I'll do depending on how it goes. My guess is that upstream will not consider it yet as they will treat it as a distribution matter rather than a kernel one. My idea was to wait for most major distro to adopt this change on their side (which is an ongoing effort, a lot have already did it) to come back to upstream with a
2024-04-02 09:53:10	Antiz	reasonable reason to consider it again (if we're all doing it 'manually' on our side, I guess it makes sense considering it on upstream side).
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2024-04-02 09:53:20	Antiz	But; hopefully I'm wrong :) We'll see.
2024-04-02 09:53:44	Antiz	I'll mention the kernel packages in the proposal as a potential place to ship it on Arch side in the mean time ;)
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2024-04-02 09:56:59	post-factum	ok ack
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2024-04-02 10:03:32	baltazar	hi! recently I've been having a rather strange issue. whenever I have two instances of neovim stopped (^Z / SIGSTOP) anything terminal-like freezes. terminal emulators (foot), ttys, ssh sessions, everything. however, the rest of my system remains functional. also it can be fixed by somehow signaling nvim
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2024-04-02 10:06:29	baltazar	I'm not sure if there are any other programs that could cause this other than nvim
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2024-04-02 10:07:56	baltazar	can anyone reproduce this? all you have to do is open neovim, press ctrl-z, open another neovim, press ctrl-z again (make sure you can kill it somehow without another terminal)
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2024-04-02 10:09:28	rcf	baltazar: I just tried this with like 20 nvims, no issues. 
2024-04-02 10:09:45	baltazar	ah, I'll ask there as well, though I'm not certain yet that this is specifically a neovim issue. for sure it shouldn't be able to freeze all my terminals
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2024-04-02 10:10:55	rcf	baltazar: does this include other users, or just your own? 
2024-04-02 10:11:02	rcf	i.e. can you log in as root and kill it
2024-04-02 10:11:14	baltazar	oh, just noticed they opened an issue for it a few hours ago
2024-04-02 10:11:23	mitch0	:)
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2024-04-02 10:11:45	baltazar	rcf: even ttys are dead, not even getty starts on them
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2024-04-02 10:12:26	rcf	Oh, a file must be open, they say 
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2024-04-02 10:13:13	baltazar	hm, for me it's enough to open two empty ones
2024-04-02 10:14:01	rcf	...still nothing. 
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2024-04-02 10:14:22	baltazar	rcf: what kernel are you on?
2024-04-02 10:14:45	rcf	6.8.1
2024-04-02 10:15:28	baltazar	well, I'm on 6.8.2 and the arch bugtracker issue also mentions this version: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2161746
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2024-04-02 10:15:29	phrik	Title: All terminals including TTYs stop working with kernel 6.8.2-arch2-1 / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-02 10:16:16	rcf	That's quite the DoS kernel bug 
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2024-04-02 10:17:08	baltazar	guess I'll switch to lts for the time being... truly bizarre bug
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2024-04-02 10:18:25	⚡ 	rcf updates to experience the fun
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2024-04-02 10:20:23	Tom^	*shrug* ive been on 6.8.2 for a few days now
2024-04-02 10:20:35	Tom^	must be some particular thing that makes it happend
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2024-04-02 10:26:09	rcf	baltazar: does it happen using a totally clean neovim configuration 
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2024-04-02 10:27:30	baltazar	rcf: yeah
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2024-04-02 10:27:48	baltazar	also apparently it's not the kernel, at least for me it also happens on lts
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2024-04-02 10:29:47	rcf	baltazar: updating to 6.8.2 does it. 
2024-04-02 10:29:55	rcf	I suspect LTS got backported a 'fix'
2024-04-02 10:30:01	baltazar	welp
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2024-04-02 10:32:12	baltazar	now I'm going slightly mad, now on every boot I get a kernel null pointer deref in some bluetooth code?
2024-04-02 10:33:03	mitch0	pwnd...
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2024-04-02 10:33:51	mitch0	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2024-04-02 10:34:51	baltazar	is there a way to force disable bluetooth?
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2024-04-02 10:37:01	mitch0	blacklist btusb ?
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2024-04-02 10:43:50	baltazar	yea blacklisting the bluetooth module helped
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2024-04-02 10:46:57	post-factum	enjoying your "stable" kernels, eh?
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2024-04-02 10:48:22	phrik	NetSysFire: * NetSysFire throws some popcorn into the microwave and now claims to be a kernel developer
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2024-04-02 10:49:14	xecuter	ohhh plank-dock do it too. it is sum the apps. so plank need lots of ram,cpu, etc... and steam, lutris, .... is not in my process monitor listed ;(
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2024-04-02 10:50:30	xecuter	no i mean application list, in the process list i can see.
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2024-04-02 10:52:29	rcf	sudo reboot
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2024-04-02 10:53:52	rcf	baltazar: it's definitely a kernel bug. Downgrading to 6.8.1 does fix it. 
2024-04-02 10:54:39	baltazar	how cool, kernel bisect time!
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2024-04-02 10:55:37	⚡ 	rcf counts this as another time that LTS was too new to solve problems
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2024-04-02 11:07:41	baltazar	oh for sure I'm not getting into a bisect right now :P
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2024-04-02 11:12:11	ThommoMC	During a system upgrade my kernel paniced during the hook phase. Now attempting to boot normally will result in some errors flashing by before it getting stuck at sddm unable to login. Booting in multi-user mode doesnt have this issue though.
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2024-04-02 11:15:44	ThommoMC	Should I attempt a system upgrade again?
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2024-04-02 11:18:15	ThommoMC	I attempted the update but it just returned a error about not able to lock the database
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2024-04-02 11:19:25	Ennea	ThommoMC, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#%22Failed_to_init_transaction_(unable_to_lock_database)%22_error
2024-04-02 11:19:26	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-02 11:46:49	ThommoMC	After a kernel panic during a system upgrade, I attempted to restart the update but I got some errors about packages existings in filesystems.
2024-04-02 11:48:10	ThommoMC	Note: The system can't boot normally because of with services starting
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2024-04-02 11:48:49	ecraven	hello ;) does anyone here know a command-line tool that will let me query and *edit* pdf metadata? like title, author, ...
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2024-04-02 11:52:27	ThommoMC	After a kernel panic during a system upgrade, I attempted to restart the update but I got some errors about packages existings in filesystems.
2024-04-02 11:52:47	hx030	tried with `--overwrite=*`?
2024-04-02 11:52:48	ThommoMC	Note: The system can't boot normally because errors of with services starting
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2024-04-02 11:53:12	ThommoMC	Isnt that option dangerous?
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2024-04-02 11:53:32	hx030	maybe, but I use that whenever I encounter the same error
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2024-04-02 11:56:16	noobaroo	Hi, I tried to resize my HDD to create a swap partition with KDE partition manager, and it gave an error. Now I'm unable to mount my HDD
2024-04-02 11:56:18	noobaroo	https://i.imgur.com/4OKfjE2.png
2024-04-02 11:57:07	gromit	ecraven: I dont know about the capabilities in this context, but pdftk and pdfcpu might be worth looking at
2024-04-02 11:57:27	ecraven	thanks
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2024-04-02 12:01:31	e^pi-1	low-key: did you find solution for zathura key binding, I have this problem too
2024-04-02 12:01:47	ThommoMC	I did it and it succeeded but spewed out a bunch of ldconfig: File blah blah blah is empty, not checked.
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2024-04-02 12:02:22	ThommoMC	I also got a error when it was reloading the device manager config saying it timed out
2024-04-02 12:02:38	ThommoMC	and another one when it was updating the mine type database
2024-04-02 12:03:13	ThommoMC	that one said it failed to parse bluedevil since the document was empty
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2024-04-02 12:05:18	ThommoMC	Going to try reinstalling all the packages, wish me luck
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2024-04-02 12:13:53	noobaroo	Namarrgon are you available?
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2024-04-02 12:15:54	pajlada	For those here a few days ago with neovim ctrl+z system freezing, turns out it's an io_uring bug - https://github.com/axboe/liburing/issues/1113 has more details
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2024-04-02 12:32:23	cake37	noobaroo: I don't know if KDE partition manager supports resizing LUKS partitions. It's a more involved process than resizing a regular partition
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2024-04-02 12:33:27	mpan	cake37: regarding the security dust, which I posted yesterday. It was April 1st.
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2024-04-02 12:34:11	cake37	noobaroo: ahh just looked it up and apparently KDE partition amanager does support resizing LUKS partitions, so forget what I said :)
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2024-04-02 12:36:25	cake37	mpan: ahaha I was like what is this guy on about 
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2024-04-02 12:39:48	noobaroo	cake37 Yeah... :/ Its supposed to 
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2024-04-02 12:40:41	noobaroo	Any ideas?
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2024-04-02 12:42:31	cake37	noobaroo: maybe elaborate a bit on what happened. You say it gave an error while attempting to resize it? What was the error? And now you can't mount it at all?
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2024-04-02 12:43:42	cake37	Tried e2fsck -f /dev/mapper/xxx?
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2024-04-02 12:46:36	noobaroo	It says it can't check it because it's in use, but it's not mounted (it can't)
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2024-04-02 12:46:59	noobaroo	I didn't take a screenshot of the error, and I definitely can't recite it by heart...
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2024-04-02 13:29:51	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-02 12:58:00	xt28	pajlada: Nice! You helped squash a kernel bug! Thanks for the update.
2024-04-02 13:10:46	Strykar	ooh, xz updates
2024-04-02 13:13:14	mpan	Strykar: yes, built without jintan’s keys.
2024-04-02 13:16:14	aqueous-brig	Strykar: where do you see those?
2024-04-02 13:16:33	gromit	That rebuild is totally unrelated, this is about the packagers key: https://archlinux.org/todo/rebuild-packages-without-signature-in-sync-db/
2024-04-02 13:16:34	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Todo: Rebuild packages without signature in sync db (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-02 13:18:23	aqueous-brig	Oh package updates
2024-04-02 13:18:28	mpan	gromit: between -2 and -3 jintan’s key has been removed from validpgpkeys. This is what I refer to.
2024-04-02 13:25:38	hseg	System froze during update, so I power-cycled. Am now getting a kernel panic on boot, and the recovery image complains the ZSTD initramfs is corrupt
2024-04-02 13:25:48	hseg	Am guessing I caught it mid-mkinitcpio
2024-04-02 13:26:01	hseg	What do I do?
2024-04-02 13:26:48	hseg	OK
2024-04-02 13:27:51	hseg	Incidentally, this is the third time in as many weeks that my system has frozen up on me, not responding to any input and requiring a power cycle. Any leads I should investigate?
2024-04-02 13:28:52	rehhouari	How does a pkgbuild like this handle uninstallation? like would remove the symlinks when i remove the package?
2024-04-02 13:28:52	rehhouari	https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=latencyflex-proton-ge-custom
2024-04-02 13:28:53	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-04-02 13:28:58	gromit	hseg: check the kernel logs etc. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/General_troubleshooting#Debugging_freezes
2024-04-02 13:28:59	phrik	Title: General troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-02 13:29:14	hseg	ty!
2024-04-02 13:29:27	grawity	rehhouari: anything that's created in $pkgdir is part of the package
2024-04-02 13:29:41	hseg	latest archiso I have is 2020-01-01. Should I burn a new one, or will that work?
2024-04-02 13:29:51	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-02 13:29:54	grawity	rehhouari: there is literally nothing special about it; it all just goes into the .pkg.tar.gz
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2024-04-02 13:31:13	gromit	hseg: the old one will probably work with regard to just mounting/chrooting, but 4years is quite old so you might aswell get a new one 
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2024-04-02 13:31:14	rehhouari	hseg grawity but here its not creating any files nor it have any sources, another package does, this one just symlinks the files created by another package to another location
2024-04-02 13:31:23	grawity	rehhouari: symlinks are literally files
2024-04-02 13:31:32	grawity	a special kind of file but that doesn't matter
2024-04-02 13:31:38	grawity	they still go in the tarball like anything else
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2024-04-02 13:32:06	grawity	so pacman untars the symlinks when you install, and removes them when you uninstall
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2024-04-02 13:32:18	hseg	grawity: ok, thanks
2024-04-02 13:32:56	grawity	¿
2024-04-02 13:33:19	virtualsid	tab completion error, I think :)
2024-04-02 13:33:34	virtualsid	was response to gromit instead
2024-04-02 13:34:01	hseg	oops, yeah. ah, now I remember why I don't have a more recent ISO -- they've gotten too large for CDs, and I don't think I have any spare DVDs
2024-04-02 13:34:12	hseg	guess I'll look for a spare USB stick
2024-04-02 13:34:31	grawity	imagine a netinstall getting too large for CD
2024-04-02 13:35:14	gromit	grawity: feel free to suggest things to remove on the relevant project 
2024-04-02 13:36:22	hseg	I'm in luck, there's a spare DVD! shame to be wasting the other 3GB on it, but tbh I don't burn much these days
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2024-04-02 13:36:38	Foxboron	grawity: Imagine having a CD drive in 2024!
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2024-04-02 13:37:42	hseg	Still have one lying around in my desktop, and have a portable one in case I need to boot recoverrrrrry
2024-04-02 13:37:52	hseg	... dammit keyboard
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2024-04-02 13:39:43	grawity	speaking of which I just learned about IODD ST300
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2024-04-02 13:40:07	grawity	one of those "this would be so useful if I had any use for it" kinda things
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2024-04-02 14:07:04	Ennea	agreed, immediately. part of me wants to have one right away
2024-04-02 14:07:07	Ennea	but i don't need it
2024-04-02 14:14:38	virtualsid	looks like a neat gadget
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2024-04-02 18:15:24	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-02 15:16:48	Earnestly	MrElendig: flex mini btw (basic 5 port poe powered switch, not unmanaged but cheap enough)
2024-04-02 15:31:12	Earnestly	(nevermind, looked into ubiquity.)
2024-04-02 15:58:10	vardo	Hi. I have a few applications that are unable to display Unicode properly, that includes Second Life viewer Firestorm for e.g. some special characters and Firefox for e.g. Korean or Japanese characters. All of these display correctly on Windows based systems. Is this something that could be fixed at the operating system level? Thank you.
2024-04-02 15:59:38	Namarrgon	what do they display instead of the correct glyph?
2024-04-02 16:00:11	vardo	Namarrgon, thank you for your answer. On Firefox, I see squares with a hexadecimal number. On Firestorm, I see empty boxes only.
2024-04-02 16:00:43	Tom^	you are most likely missing fonts
2024-04-02 16:00:58	Namarrgon	the boxes with the codepoint index usually mean that you don't fonts installed that provide these glyphs
2024-04-02 16:01:20	Tom^	no installed font containing the glyph = bork
2024-04-02 16:01:33	Namarrgon	what is the "locale" output from the same terminal you start firefox/firestorm from?
2024-04-02 16:03:05	vardo	"locale -a" returns 4 lines: C / C.utf8 / en_US.utf8 / POSIX
2024-04-02 16:03:14	badsektor	vardo install font-awesome
2024-04-02 16:03:20	badsektor	ttf-font-awesome
2024-04-02 16:03:45	vardo	badsektor, ok thanks
2024-04-02 16:03:47	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fonts#Chinese,_Japanese,_Korean,_Vietnamese
2024-04-02 16:03:49	phrik	Title: Fonts - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-02 16:04:18	badsektor	when i installed waybar it didnt work properly i installed font-awesome and it was alright
2024-04-02 16:04:46	Namarrgon	does that contain cjk glyphs?
2024-04-02 16:04:54	vardo	Namarrgon, thank you
2024-04-02 16:05:20	badsektor	Namarrgon: yeah like icons
2024-04-02 16:05:40	Namarrgon	badsektor: that has absolutely nothing to do with the question
2024-04-02 16:06:13	badsektor	hm
2024-04-02 16:06:23	badsektor	Namarrgon: what DE/WM you use?
2024-04-02 16:06:57	Namarrgon	vardo: did installing a cjk font fix the fonts in secondlife/firefox/firestorm?
2024-04-02 16:07:12	badsektor	is secondlife still a thing?
2024-04-02 16:07:42	vardo	Namarrgon: Sorry, I started with installing ttf-font-awesome
2024-04-02 16:08:35	Namarrgon	badsektor joined after you asked the question, they have no idea what the topic is
2024-04-02 16:09:03	Namarrgon	if tt-font-awesome doesn't contain any of the missing cjk glyphs then it's not going to help you
2024-04-02 16:09:53	badsektor	i am installing noto-fonts-cjk
2024-04-02 16:10:00	badsektor	i will tell you if it works
2024-04-02 16:10:12	vardo	I am installing noto too, reading docs
2024-04-02 16:10:29	badsektor	yup works
2024-04-02 16:12:05	vardo	I don't understand, should I install all noto fonts one at a time?
2024-04-02 16:12:55	Namarrgon	you can install all of them or just the parts you want
2024-04-02 16:13:10	badsektor	vardo just install noto-fonts-cjk package
2024-04-02 16:13:15	badsektor	it did the trick for me
2024-04-02 16:13:22	badsektor	if you looking for japanese fonts
2024-04-02 16:13:30	vardo	Ok thanks
2024-04-02 16:43:13	demure	reverseengineer: cause in a month it will be useless cruff in your config, which may turn into a future headache. as well as being unneeded effort to so the problem of just updating your packages?
2024-04-02 16:43:23	reverseengineer	demure: that's okay
2024-04-02 16:43:24	lithiumpt	as of today, the only xz package available on mirrors is xz-5.6.1-3-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
2024-04-02 16:43:37	lithiumpt	(unless you're using an out of date mirror)
2024-04-02 16:44:05	reverseengineer	good point, I reinstalled arch just yesterday, should've checked mirrors 
2024-04-02 16:44:08	lithiumpt	so if any package requires an old version of xz, it will fail downloading
2024-04-02 16:44:19	Dragoon	Is it removed from the archives as well?
2024-04-02 16:44:23	aclark	I like X-Y, certainly the case that it's human nature to focus on and potentially be distracted by problems that aren't the problem. Not to mention it never hurts to state the problem and/or "high level" goal
2024-04-02 16:44:25	gromit	reverseengineer: that package does not have the trigger in it which could potentially be harmless
2024-04-02 16:44:34	reverseengineer	gromit: my debian server did
2024-04-02 16:44:38	gromit	Dragoon: no not yet
2024-04-02 16:44:38	reverseengineer	and I ssshed to that server
2024-04-02 16:44:39	lithiumpt	nop, the archives keep history
2024-04-02 16:44:46	Dragoon	Also imo packages really should be built from their git repos, not from their tarballs
2024-04-02 16:46:27	gromit	reverseengineer: again, from our current knowledge the version you have mentioned is not vulnerable
2024-04-02 16:46:52	gromit	The xz repo is currently being audited and if anything else will be found the package will be updated accordingly
2024-04-02 16:47:09	Scimmia	reverseengineer: you seem to be flailing around instead of understanding what's going on. Stop freaking out
2024-04-02 16:47:43	Scimmia	Arch is not, and never was, vulnerable to this issue
2024-04-02 16:47:55	reverseengineer	gromit: Sorry I should've clarrified my message "my debian server did" a bit more. My debian VPS had the malicious version(s) for weeks. In that timeframe I sshed from my arch machine to that VPS and did in fact notice a slowdown before the whole thing was revealed. On a different IRC server, I was advised to reinstall arch due to RCE
2024-04-02 16:48:16	reverseengineer	couldn't hurt anyway 
2024-04-02 16:48:30	Scimmia	Whoever told you to reinstall Arch for that is an idiot
2024-04-02 16:48:33	Namarrgon	you have "unstable" debian on a vps?
2024-04-02 16:49:06	reverseengineer	Namarrgon: oh that is a funny story too haha I don't have the time to get into it, maybe latter with a croissant and some coffee ;)
2024-04-02 16:49:27	reverseengineer	Scimmia: couldn't hurt though given that my VPS was certainly backdoored
2024-04-02 16:49:37	Dragoon	You should be doing the reverse instead, as in reinstall the VPS.
2024-04-02 16:49:53	reverseengineer	Dragoon: the VPS was killed the moment I read the news don't worry 
2024-04-02 16:50:53	reverseengineer	honestly all in all it was a good decision. I have a fresh arch system with i3wm and love it. No more KDE6.
2024-04-02 17:39:12	remline	Starting today, I can't get audio out of mpv or mpd. However, firefox and audacity are playing audio fine. I'm using pipewire.
2024-04-02 17:44:52	Dragoon	do they show up in qpwgraph?
2024-04-02 17:53:01	remline	Dragoon: I don't have qpwgraph installed. They _do_ show up in pw-top.
2024-04-02 17:54:55	edu4rdshl	remline, pacman -Qs pipewire
2024-04-02 17:55:05	Dragoon	well install it, and check if they're connected to the output
2024-04-02 17:59:10	remline	!paste
2024-04-02 17:59:10	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-02 18:01:22	remline	edu4rdshl: https://0x0.st/XzYn.txt
2024-04-02 18:03:11	edu4rdshl	lgtm, check what Dragoon said
2024-04-02 18:03:23	remline	Dragoon: from pw-top, I can see that mpd is connectged to alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1f.3.analog-stereo
2024-04-02 18:04:14	edu4rdshl	Is not the application muted? Check pavucontrol
2024-04-02 18:05:13	remline	edu4rdshl: I don't have pavucontrol installed.
2024-04-02 18:07:25	Ny4n	I accidentally had a timeout when entering my password for a system update and now when trying to update again I get the error that there are conflicting files, specifically in /usr/lib/debug/.build-id/... Am I safe to delete those files manually or could that cause any issues?
2024-04-02 18:08:28	remline	Dragoon, edu4rdshl : https://0x0.st/XzYF.txt shows the pipewire status when both mpd and firefox are "playing" (although only firefox succesfully generates audio)
2024-04-02 18:09:11	Ny4n	NetSysFire: Is it fine if I just copy and paste it or should I use something like pastebin so I don't fill up the chat?
2024-04-02 18:09:37	phrik	Title: Create new paste (at bpa.st)
2024-04-02 18:10:57	Ny4n	NetSysFire: Curl pasting sounds interesting, I'll look into it when I have the time. Here's the output: https://bpa.st/5NKQ
2024-04-02 18:10:59	phrik	Title: View paste 5NKQ (at bpa.st)
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2024-04-02 18:19:10	remline	edu4rdshl, Dragoon : I did get one good clue now. 'mpv file.mp3 --ao=pulse' works; 'mpv file.mp3 --ao=pipewire' does not work.
2024-04-02 18:19:38	Ny4n	NetSysFire: No pressure, just curious if you have an idea on if I'm fine to delete those files or not now?
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2024-04-02 18:20:32	Ny4n	So pacman -Syu --overwrite?
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2024-04-02 18:22:30	Ny4n	Okay so, for clarification: pacman -S mullvad-vpn-bin-debug --overwrite=* ?
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2024-04-02 18:23:18	Namarrgon	the real question is why these files ended up with identical IDs
2024-04-02 18:23:40	Namarrgon	unless you really need them you should probably not install these debug packages
2024-04-02 18:23:54	Namarrgon	or not even build them
2024-04-02 18:24:40	Ny4n	I think that just came with the normal install
2024-04-02 18:25:07	Ny4n	I can't recall manually installing that, I just grabbed mullvad off the aur, from what I can remember
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2024-04-02 18:25:11	Namarrgon	you should either tell yay not to build/install them or disable them yourself
2024-04-02 18:25:36	Ny4n	Ah. How can I tell yay to do that?
2024-04-02 18:25:59	Ny4n	My package management knowledge so far extends to downloading something, deleting something, and updating the whole system, as I haven't needed anything else yet
2024-04-02 18:26:21	Namarrgon	if that's all you're familiar with you should probably not use an aur-helper yet
2024-04-02 18:26:45	Ny4n	I know, I know. But I've been too busy lately to look into things in more detail
2024-04-02 18:26:49	Ny4n	It's on my to do list
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2024-04-02 18:27:03	Namarrgon	i don't know about yay but you can disable debug packages in makepkg.conf, or just don't tell makepkg to install them
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2024-04-02 18:27:26	Namarrgon	this should have been on the priority-to-do list further up than installing yay
2024-04-02 18:27:42	Scimmia	Ny4n: if they're owned by nother package, do NOT use --overwrite
2024-04-02 18:28:02	Ny4n	(I know you're not supposed to be here if not using vanilla arch, but I'm on EndeavourOS, yay came with the system)
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2024-04-02 18:28:21	Namarrgon	nice that you mention it now
2024-04-02 18:28:35	Namarrgon	but it's rather typical, i'm afraid
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2024-04-02 18:29:04	Ny4n	Sorry, I'll mention it earlier next time
2024-04-02 18:29:15	Namarrgon	no, next time you will go to the endeavouros channel and ask them for help
2024-04-02 18:29:25	Ny4n	Ohhhh there's a dedicated channel?
2024-04-02 18:29:31	Ny4n	I... didn't know that
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2024-04-02 18:30:00	Ny4n	Well, I guess I'll poke in there until I end up installing vanilla arch on my laptop in a few months
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2024-04-02 18:30:27	MortimerHoughton	Ny4n: endeavour has matrix.  I didn't see a mention of irc
2024-04-02 18:30:31	Namarrgon	i don't know if they have one, try their forums otherwise
2024-04-02 18:30:35	Ny4n	Still, thanks for the advice so far, I guess I'll just... well actually, now with what Scimmia said I dunno if --overwrite would be a good idea or not?
2024-04-02 18:30:47	Namarrgon	it would not be a good idea
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2024-04-02 18:31:08	Scimmia	You end up with files owned by 2 packages. That's bad. Never do that
2024-04-02 18:32:08	Ny4n	Okay so... I guess I'll just remove the package, make the tweaks to makepkg.conf that Namarrgon suggested, and reinstall it?
2024-04-02 18:32:20	Ny4n	Like, the whole mullvad package
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2024-04-02 18:32:38	Namarrgon	that won't fix the fundamental problem but it will let you update your system
2024-04-02 18:33:11	Ny4n	Right, sorry!
2024-04-02 18:33:19	vic-thor	why is the "official DockerHub library" latest pointing to January 1st? 
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2024-04-02 18:33:27	Ny4n	Still, thanks! See y'all when I get around to using vanilla arch then
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2024-04-02 18:35:44	gehidore	they've got an irc channel but it's fossilized
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2024-04-02 18:39:21	MacGyver	gehidore: By which you mean, populated by 80-year-olds?
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2024-04-02 18:45:29	remline	Dragoon: I was able to fix my pipewire problem by deleting the '~/.local/state/wireplumber' directory. No idea what the real problem was, but the arch wiki mentions this at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#Auto-switching_is_not_working . Thanks for your help!
2024-04-02 18:45:30	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-02 18:48:44	remline	NetSysFire: No, wireplumber keeps caches some information about routes and streams in the state directory.
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2024-04-02 18:49:14	remline	Indeed... and evidently in a slightly buggy way. :)
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2024-04-02 19:39:56	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-02 19:39:57	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1460 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1459 regular)
2024-04-02 19:26:54	oriba	when gimp crashes (which it does often in the last weeks), a gimp crash-debug opens, which takes me to a arhc-webpage (outdated, mentioning the bugtracking has moved)
2024-04-02 19:27:06	oriba	I wonder how at all this debug-tool opens
2024-04-02 19:27:19	oriba	and why does it point me to archbugs, not gimp-bugtracker?
2024-04-02 19:27:29	oriba	how can this be changed (configured)?
2024-04-02 19:27:36	oriba	why is it there at all?
2024-04-02 19:32:04	louipc	oriba: it points you to arch so people can figure out if it is a distro bug first before sending upstream
2024-04-02 19:32:31	louipc	i'm guessing the dialog just needs the configuration updated
2024-04-02 19:32:52	oriba	where is the location set?
2024-04-02 19:33:21	oriba	is there a gimp-sources patch, or is it a more general thing, which I can configure in /etc ?
2024-04-02 19:33:31	louipc	the new location would be https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/gimp/-/issues
2024-04-02 19:33:32	phrik	Title: Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / gimp · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-02 19:33:43	louipc	i assume the location would be configured in the PKGBUILD 
2024-04-02 19:35:46	louipc	>    --with-bug-report-url='https://bugs.archlinux.org/?string=gimp' \
2024-04-02 19:35:47	phrik	Title: Site moved! (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2024-04-02 19:35:51	oriba	louipc: thanks, yes, there is a --with-bug-report-url setting in the PKGBUILD
2024-04-02 19:36:04	louipc	ah we found it at the same time
2024-04-02 19:37:34	louipc	i'll let oriba take the lead :)
2024-04-02 19:38:56	oriba	no, thanks, I'm pissed off from not getting a bugs.archlinux.org account some days ago, and today the url changed and I'm on a different server
2024-04-02 19:39:04	aguitel	xz --version
2024-04-02 19:39:05	aguitel	xz (XZ Utils) 5.6.1 is that correct ?
2024-04-02 19:39:17	phrik	aguitel: 2024-03-29T18:55:55+0000: The xz package has been backdoored <https://archlinux.org/news/the-xz-package-has-been-backdoored/>
2024-04-02 19:39:57	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-02 19:40:02	louipc	aguitel: 5.6.1-2
2024-04-02 19:40:26	Scimmia	aguitel: yes, it's fine
2024-04-02 19:40:39	aguitel	ok
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2024-04-02 19:41:22	gromit	oriba: what didn't work with getting an account? 
2024-04-02 19:41:48	Scimmia	they refused
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2024-04-02 19:42:18	oriba	gromit: WebGUI not working... then admin invoked itvia backend... then I should use Password-Forgottten, and had to use a mobile phone to get this done. No, sorry, don't want that bullshit
2024-04-02 19:42:26	Scimmia	it asked for totp and they went apeshit
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2024-04-02 19:43:16	Scimmia	didn't even bother asking questions or waiting around for someone to tell them that
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2024-04-02 19:43:24	gromit	Ahh I remember, funny guy that insulted and rage-quit before anyone could help them :P
2024-04-02 19:43:34	oriba	gromit: and it looks, now today the site has changed. maybe that is working, but I still better wait.
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2024-04-02 19:44:43	oriba	I now have collected four Crash-reports (only four, because I did not always saved them)...
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2024-04-02 19:45:18	oriba	so, then the error-url should be gimp-bugtracker, I guess
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2024-04-02 19:46:24	oriba	?
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2024-04-02 19:46:43	oriba	I talk about the bugtracking-url in the PKGBUILD
2024-04-02 19:47:16	louipc	but yea it seems upstream gimp is collecting bugs
2024-04-02 19:47:53	louipc	oriba: lol just go with the newest crash report
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2024-04-02 19:48:21	oriba	louipc: I can publish a book of gimp-crashreports
2024-04-02 19:48:35	louipc	ok that will be overkill
2024-04-02 19:48:56	oriba	not, if people buy it... then it will turn crash-reports into cash-reports :-)
2024-04-02 19:48:59	louipc	stick with the newest one. could just be the same thing triggering it each time
2024-04-02 19:49:16	oriba	they look all quite similar.
2024-04-02 19:49:21	louipc	right
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2024-04-02 19:49:45	gromit	oriba: also make sure that the backtrace contains debug symbols and not just (??) all over because otherwise its almost useless
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2024-04-02 19:50:46	oriba	gromit: the problm is, that "???" appears in places like libgobject
2024-04-02 19:51:11	oriba	Idon't want to recompile anything just for a gimp-crash
2024-04-02 19:51:35	louipc	arch has downloadable debug info 
2024-04-02 19:51:36	gromit	exactly, thats why you do a backtrace with the debug symbols enabled (i.e. via debuginfod) 
2024-04-02 19:51:46	oriba	or maybe I just goback to olde rgimp and have less trouble :-P
2024-04-02 19:52:12	louipc	:/
2024-04-02 19:52:49	gromit	oriba: its almost like I know the packager maintainer for gimp ;) 
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2024-04-02 19:54:38	oriba	I guess there is a special edition of the debug-symbols for download, provided by JiaT75?
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2024-04-02 19:56:35	gromit	oriba: do you want help or just want to clown around? 
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2024-04-02 20:03:53	edu4rdshl	"from not getting a bugs.archlinux.org account some days ago", well, the bugtracker was migrated several months ago now, it's normal to not get an account there
2024-04-02 20:04:12	gromit	edu4rdshl: there is a backstory to that, as I said above 
2024-04-02 20:04:30	edu4rdshl	Ah, sorry gromit :)
2024-04-02 20:04:49	gromit	Everyone that writes a mail to the accountsupport should get an answer in <= 24h 
2024-04-02 20:05:13	ℹ 	printfdebugging is now known as sahil_
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2024-04-02 20:06:02	louipc	pay?
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2024-04-02 20:06:11	louipc	ha ha. ha ha ha.
2024-04-02 20:06:26	astralc	"plz gib me account plz, it wud be poggers of you"
2024-04-02 20:06:29	gromit	NetSysFire: its great, pays 10x more than the wiki people
2024-04-02 20:06:39	mefistofeles	lol
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2024-04-02 20:06:46	teraflops	there's #archlinux-paid for users with enterprise accounts
2024-04-02 20:06:49	gromit	I now get why people could go insane doing too much helpdesk work :p
2024-04-02 20:08:01	louipc	10 times zero is zero
2024-04-02 20:08:19	⚡ 	mefistofeles gives a gold star to louipc 
2024-04-02 20:09:00	louipc	thx
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2024-04-02 20:13:54	oriba	edu4rdshl: the debug-thing pointed me to the wrong site, I followed the link, which seemed also to be outdated, and maybe that was the reason I got no login. admin invoked via backend, but the following annoyances were enugh for me
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2024-04-02 20:14:50	edu4rdshl	"admin invoked via backend" what does that even mean
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2024-04-02 20:15:26	oriba	yes, what does that even mean - ask the admin
2024-04-02 20:16:26	jelle	oriba: are you asking about: "Please write an email to accountsupport@archlinux.org, with your desired username, if you want to get access. Sorry for the inconvenience"
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2024-04-02 20:16:48	gromit	https://gist.github.com/christian-heusel/3b092f24338497dcdc0f1f341b459714#file-gistfile1-txt-L27
2024-04-02 20:17:55	louipc	too many barriers to entry for the average user
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2024-04-02 20:18:09	oriba	so you ask for my help, make login a annoynace, and then blame me. So why should I help? 
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2024-04-02 20:18:11	oriba	louipc: yes
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2024-04-02 20:18:20	oriba	I had an account on the old server
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2024-04-02 20:19:09	oriba	that was not migrated. And when I go to the Debuginfo-Page today I get a different gitlab account than some days ago
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2024-04-02 20:27:40	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-02 20:27:40	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1458 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1457 regular)
2024-04-02 20:23:48	gromit	oriba: just send us another mail and you can sign up again 
2024-04-02 20:24:08	jelle	oriba: it was indeed not migrated, but 2fa is a pretty standard
2024-04-02 20:27:40	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-02 20:28:56	jelle	NetSysFire: same effort for GitHub
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2024-04-02 20:29:24	jelle	it should these days
2024-04-02 20:29:55	gromit	https://docs.github.com/en/authentication/securing-your-account-with-two-factor-authentication-2fa/about-mandatory-two-factor-authentication
2024-04-02 20:29:56	phrik	Title: About mandatory two-factor authentication - GitHub Docs (at docs.github.com)
2024-04-02 20:30:26	edu4rdshl	Honestly, let me put it on these words: if you think that setting up 2fa on your account to report a bug is too much effort, why should I care about your bug getting fixed
2024-04-02 20:31:07	oriba	github: 2fa via email, not mobile-phone
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2024-04-02 20:31:54	louipc	normies dont understand this stuff
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2024-04-02 20:32:48	gromit	louipc: yes, but usually people just ask and I point them at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Initiative_for_Open_Authentication and alternatives
2024-04-02 20:32:50	phrik	Title: Initiative for Open Authentication - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-02 20:33:46	louipc	gromit: lol i dont' think that helps
2024-04-02 20:33:53	gromit	louipc: why not? 
2024-04-02 20:34:01	louipc	maybe need a tiktok video
2024-04-02 20:34:10	louipc	:D
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2024-04-02 20:36:13	louipc	you read that wrong
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2024-04-02 20:42:33	teraflops	louipc: tiktok does 2fa?
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2024-04-02 21:05:07	noobaroo	If anyone could look at my question on https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2162041#p2162041 I would be helpful
2024-04-02 21:05:08	phrik	Title: Can't Mount HDD After Failed Resize Operation On KDE Partition Manager / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-04-02 21:05:48	demure	noobaroo: I see the words partition resize, and suggest you be ready to clean install
2024-04-02 21:06:11	noobaroo	It's not my root partition
2024-04-02 21:06:22	demure	*nod*
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2024-04-02 21:06:40	noobaroo	But I am really hoping to save this drive
2024-04-02 21:06:53	noobaroo	I have 500Gb of data on it
2024-04-02 21:07:01	demure	it doesn'
2024-04-02 21:07:15	demure	it doesn't help you now, but backups before resizes
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2024-04-02 21:08:01	noobaroo	Yeah.... i already told myself I will ALWAYS be doing that in the future
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2024-04-02 21:08:13	noobaroo	I really didn't expect any problems :/
2024-04-02 21:08:51	demure	I've seen so many botched resizes that I tell people not to dual boot OS's unless they have one physical drive per OS
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2024-04-02 21:09:26	demure	cause eventually they decide they want to resize again, and things get borked
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2024-04-02 21:32:11	akik	gparted is a good app for that
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2024-04-02 21:35:51	badsektor	how can i make networkmanager to not take DNS server from DHCP host but instead put on something of my choice?
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2024-04-02 21:36:43	badsektor	nevermind found it
2024-04-02 21:36:55	akik	cool
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2024-04-03 00:03:31	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-02 22:25:06	tijko	HI-O
2024-04-02 22:25:23	⚡ 	tijko tones it down
2024-04-02 22:25:46	tijko	Did the Archlinux project completely migrate from Github?
2024-04-02 22:26:05	tijko	No part of Arch is hosted using Github anymore?
2024-04-02 22:26:08	gromit	tijko: not completely, but we have migrated most stuff away
2024-04-02 22:26:32	gromit	tijko: i.e. arch-contrib and archinstall are on github still .. Why are you asking?
2024-04-02 22:26:57	tijko	gromit It's disappointing but asking if Octocat and similar are *all* owned by Microsoft now?
2024-04-02 22:28:19	tijko	gromit and tbc it isn't "Octo-Cat" per se but ultimately all of Github is licensed differently now?
2024-04-02 22:28:37	nshp	what?
2024-04-02 22:28:55	nshp	GitHub was bought by Microsoft some years ago, what are you talking about?
2024-04-02 22:30:11	gromit	tijko: whats the question here? 
2024-04-02 22:32:33	tijko	tijko> Did the Archlinux project completely migrate from Github?
2024-04-02 22:33:32	nshp	no, that's the question that was answered already
2024-04-02 22:33:35	gromit	tijko: no, also we mirror our projects to github
2024-04-02 22:33:52	tijko	gromit thx good to know, very helpful
2024-04-02 22:34:02	nshp	is it helpful though?
2024-04-02 22:41:10	astralc	NetSysFire have special ability to hear text in IRC
2024-04-02 22:48:17	akik	microsoft ruins stuff, that's just a fact
2024-04-02 22:51:14	masoudd_	Microsoft is only thinking about making money for their share holders. They do not care about anything else. I don't know why but people tend to forget that
2024-04-02 22:53:37	akik	oh noes stop the presses
2024-04-02 22:54:11	tijko	akik he's probably one of those sarcastic "trolls"
2024-04-02 22:55:23	masoudd_	Fair enough. If anyone has more to say about microsoft in relation to archlinux, I'll be in #archlinux-offtopic with my opinions
2024-04-02 22:59:06	Foxboron	sangy my pengy
2024-04-02 23:00:00	sangy	oh no
2024-04-02 23:00:04	sangy	what'd I do 
2024-04-02 23:00:23	Foxboron	oh, wrong channel
2024-04-02 23:00:26	sangy	now that I'm here, how do is there a gputop ? 
2024-04-02 23:03:53	another|	sangy: cannot parse question
2024-04-02 23:04:24	sangy	so, I'd like to know the load of a gpu. I know things like nvidia-smi can tlel me that, but it's vendor specific. I was wondering if there was something that's generic enough, or if I'm sol
2024-04-02 23:04:32	neurognostic	sangy: nvtop
2024-04-02 23:04:41	another|	or radeontop
2024-04-02 23:04:45	sangy	what about intel
2024-04-02 23:04:55	neurognostic	sangy: nvtop supports intel
2024-04-02 23:04:59	another|	but nvtop is probably more what you're looking for
2024-04-02 23:05:09	sangy	neurognostic: ah great. Thanks! for some reason I assumed nv was for nvidia
2024-04-02 23:05:19	demonicmaniac1	there's intel_gpu_top
2024-04-02 23:05:28	neurognostic	sangy: it was originally but it support amd and intel now
2024-04-02 23:05:40	another|	extra/nvtop -- GPUs process monitoring for AMD, Intel and NVIDIA
2024-04-02 23:05:41	demonicmaniac1	but depending on what you're looking for exactly for everything gallium which intel is now too there's also mangohud
2024-04-02 23:06:07	sangy	this is probably enough. I was mostly just wondering if this thing was actually hitting the gpu or not 
2024-04-02 23:06:14	sangy	thing -> a process I'm running
2024-04-02 23:06:50	sangy	yo i like this nvtop thing. Cool stuff
2024-04-02 23:08:27	sangy	another|: lol just realized the grammar on my first question was all over the place
2024-04-02 23:08:37	sangy	sorry about that
2024-04-02 23:09:46	another|	bug in brain-keyboard serialisation
2024-04-02 23:39:15	nij-	Is there any syscall that can kill and save a process immediately into a file. Next time it's run, it's as if it never died?
2024-04-02 23:40:00	Namarrgon	no, not really. take a look at crui, though
2024-04-02 23:40:39	nij-	criu?
2024-04-02 23:40:40	Namarrgon	*criu
2024-04-02 23:40:42	Namarrgon	yes, sorry
2024-04-02 23:40:59	louipc	that would be fun
2024-04-02 23:41:39	nij-	Cool. Thanks!
2024-04-02 23:41:49	nij-	But I wonder why linux doesn't suppor that.
2024-04-02 23:41:59	Namarrgon	the kernel?
2024-04-02 23:42:10	absinthium	I've been getting a core dumped [segmentation fault] when trying to run megasync. `journalctl | grep megasync` shows: "error 4 in libQt5Gui". Is this something that I can fix or is in coded into the package itself?
2024-04-02 23:42:59	nij-	Namarrgon Yeah, why isn't there such syscall.
2024-04-02 23:43:03	nij-	 Sounds useful, doesn't it?
2024-04-02 23:43:13	Namarrgon	yes but it's complicated
2024-04-02 23:44:09	Namarrgon	suspend-to-disk barely functions but now you want to freeze a single process while everything around it continues running
2024-04-02 23:44:33	Namarrgon	time ticks, networks network, users use
2024-04-02 23:45:17	⚡ 	nij- nods
2024-04-02 23:45:48	louipc	should be easier to do a single process than the whole OS
2024-04-02 23:45:56	louipc	good place to start :p
2024-04-02 23:47:08	Namarrgon	absinthium: is everything up to date?
2024-04-02 23:48:29	absinthium	Yes, but I just looked at the GitHub issues and it seems many people are experiencing various issues. One user, already opened an issue with a segfault although it looks to be a different one. He posted a nice backtrace file. How difficult is it to get one to generate? Journalctl is a bit of a mess on my end.
2024-04-02 23:49:05	Namarrgon	why is it a mess?
2024-04-02 23:49:16	gromit	absinthium: do you have a custom qt style installed by chance? 
2024-04-02 23:49:31	absinthium	gromit: Not that I'm aware of.
2024-04-02 23:49:34	gromit	absinthium: its not hard usually, just follow https://gitlab.archlinux.org/-/snippets/3742
2024-04-02 23:49:35	phrik	Title: Getting a proper backtrace on Arch ($3742) · Snippets · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-02 23:49:58	MortimerHoughton	who knew backtraces in arch were so expensive
2024-04-02 23:49:58	absinthium	Namarrgon: I'm running EXWM (in Emacs, of course), and using eshell as my shell. Output from journalctl isn't exactly easy to read.
2024-04-02 23:50:26	Namarrgon	i'm not sure what the wm has to do with the journal
2024-04-02 23:50:36	Dragoon	remedan: huh, weird
2024-04-02 23:52:27	absinthium	Namarrgon: Just that I don't have a nice journal GUI front-end and I'm viewing everything in an Emacs buffer. Again, it's just not easy to sort through.
2024-04-02 23:52:42	absinthium	Versus a backtrace.
2024-04-02 23:53:11	absinthium	I don't know. I guess nothing.
2024-04-02 23:53:43	Namarrgon	"coredumpctl debug <process>"
2024-04-02 23:56:07	absinthium	Omniscient when it comes to Linux.
2024-04-02 23:57:43	Namarrgon	me? i just know where the manual is
2024-04-02 23:58:30	⚡ 	absinthium accepts jab
2024-04-03 00:00:25	Midjak	Hi. I have changed my user password and after that I can login but sudo doesn't work anymore. the user is in wheel sudo did work before that. I have a faillock too. But I have reset the user and I can login but sudo doesn't work. Any idea ? 
2024-04-03 00:00:44	gehidore	are you using the changed password?
2024-04-03 00:00:51	Midjak	yes
2024-04-03 00:00:55	absinthium	The same namarrgon who maintains `linux-firmware`? Well, that would make sense then.
2024-04-03 00:01:25	mefistofeles	the backbone of this community
2024-04-03 00:02:03	Midjak	I tried several things remove/add user from wheel started again the machine nothing work.
2024-04-03 00:03:07	Namarrgon	how is sudoers configured?
2024-04-03 00:03:23	Namarrgon	absinthium: not me
2024-04-03 00:03:26	Midjak	with wheel 
2024-04-03 00:03:32	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-03 00:03:38	Midjak	It worked before I didn't change it
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2024-04-03 00:03:50	Namarrgon	only wheel? maybe there's an additional rule?
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2024-04-03 00:04:12	Midjak	I see something about dbus-daemon when I sudo in journalctl
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2024-04-03 00:05:14	Midjak	nothing specific to an user 
2024-04-03 00:05:34	Midjak	just %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL
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2024-04-03 00:06:00	Namarrgon	"when i sudo in journalctl"?
2024-04-03 00:06:20	Midjak	Maybe I could try from console
2024-04-03 00:06:34	Midjak	no from root
2024-04-03 00:06:40	Midjak	with su...
2024-04-03 00:07:38	Midjak	umm it works from console but not from xterm...
2024-04-03 00:07:47	Midjak	weird...
2024-04-03 00:08:10	Namarrgon	did you re-login after the password change?
2024-04-03 00:08:13	Midjak	I don't have a qwerty keyboard
2024-04-03 00:08:18	Midjak	yes several times
2024-04-03 00:08:36	Midjak	I have this thing about dbus too...
2024-04-03 00:08:38	cloudowind	good luck boss 
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2024-04-03 00:10:41	Midjak	Unit dbus-org.freedesktop.home1.service not found
2024-04-03 00:11:02	Namarrgon	what error do you get from sudo?
2024-04-03 00:11:06	Midjak	I have this when I am prompted by sudo for password
2024-04-03 00:11:16	Midjak	Sorry try again
2024-04-03 00:11:55	Namarrgon	with the correct keymap?
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2024-04-03 00:13:36	Midjak	https://bpa.st/XC3A
2024-04-03 00:13:38	phrik	Title: View paste XC3A (at bpa.st)
2024-04-03 00:13:48	Midjak	the log of the transaction
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2024-04-03 00:14:48	Midjak	I think I have the proper keymap. This machine works for a while. I have an azerty keyboard.
2024-04-03 00:14:56	teraflops	is this is related to keymap just type the password in terminal 
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2024-04-03 00:15:05	teraflops	is/if
2024-04-03 00:15:20	Midjak	When I try to write something in terminal I see nothing wrong
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2024-04-03 00:15:52	Midjak	yes no problem I see correct chars
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2024-04-03 00:16:11	Midjak	maybe keymap is sudenly changed by sudo but I don't see why. 
2024-04-03 00:16:33	Midjak	I use sudo everytime to update an it worked until now
2024-04-03 00:17:16	Midjak	This dbus error is weird no ? Any idea what is it ?
2024-04-03 00:18:08	Midjak	it displays this anytime I try a sudo
2024-04-03 00:18:25	Namarrgon	it's irrelevant unless you use systemd-homed
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2024-04-03 00:18:47	Midjak	and one can see it's related to the sudo commend.
2024-04-03 00:18:49	Namarrgon	have you modified the pam config?
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2024-04-03 00:18:53	Midjak	Ok Namarrgon 
2024-04-03 00:18:59	Midjak	in the past yes
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2024-04-03 00:19:06	Midjak	for audio thing
2024-04-03 00:19:08	Namarrgon	it's not related to sudo, it's just triggered from the pam stack
2024-04-03 00:19:16	Midjak	ok
2024-04-03 00:19:22	Namarrgon	have you any outstanding pacnews?
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2024-04-03 00:21:38	Midjak	I have upgrade 4 or 3 days ago. I didn't see anything. Maybe I missed something . Is it possible to check this ?
2024-04-03 00:21:55	Midjak	I try on another kernel
2024-04-03 00:22:04	Midjak	I am on RT now
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2024-04-03 00:24:17	Midjak	so from default kernel it's the same
2024-04-03 00:24:33	Midjak	I can sudo from console and not from xorg
2024-04-03 00:24:42	Midjak	weird... 
2024-04-03 00:25:03	teraflops	Midjak: which keymap is in xorg?
2024-04-03 00:25:25	teraflops	maybe it differs from the one from tty
2024-04-03 00:25:30	Midjak	fr.fr
2024-04-03 00:26:14	UndeadLeech	Huh, has https://xz.tukaani.org been taken down recently. The main domain still seems to work and archlinux references that as upstream. Is the project officially ded?
2024-04-03 00:26:49	gromit	UndeadLeech: no it is not, the old developer is currently investigating the situation
2024-04-03 00:27:03	balrog	UndeadLeech: project is not dead, see https://tukaani.org/xz-backdoor/
2024-04-03 00:27:04	phrik	Title: XZ Utils backdoor (at tukaani.org)
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2024-04-03 00:27:54	UndeadLeech	Oh they managed to reach him, good.
2024-04-03 00:28:45	Midjak	I have this https://bpa.st/VOGQ
2024-04-03 00:28:46	phrik	Title: View paste VOGQ (at bpa.st)
2024-04-03 00:28:58	louipc	I heard he was bullied to hand the project over
2024-04-03 00:28:59	UndeadLeech	Kinda crazy they just suspended him too lol.
2024-04-03 00:29:03	Midjak	Didn't see something wrong
2024-04-03 00:29:06	louipc	now he's taking it back
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2024-04-03 00:31:29	Namarrgon	Midjak: did you set the new pasword in X or on the linux console?
2024-04-03 00:31:52	Namarrgon	and why is the locale set to "C"?
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2024-04-03 00:32:47	Midjak	I have set the password either from SSH or xterm (with sudo)
2024-04-03 00:33:18	Midjak	I tried several time.
2024-04-03 00:33:46	Midjak	for local I don't know.
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2024-04-03 00:33:56	Midjak	I have this setup for a while
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2024-04-03 00:34:13	edu4rdshl	Question, how "bad" would it be to have snap on my host OS? I just have plans to use it because microk8s, nothing else
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2024-04-03 00:35:37	tatsumaru	hey guys, you are probably sick of this question, but is it safe to update to xz 5.6.1-3?
2024-04-03 00:36:07	Midjak	I ma looking how to set the proper locale
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2024-04-03 00:36:32	Midjak	I have changed the password again from the console with sudo. I am rebooting now
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2024-04-03 00:37:59	edu4rdshl	tatsumaru, what the news say is the path to do
2024-04-03 00:38:03	edu4rdshl	Easy as that
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2024-04-03 00:42:42	Midjak	ok I tried to enter my old password and it works with this one so I guess something wrong with one character in my password which is not regnized by the keymap
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2024-04-03 00:50:52	Midjak	Namarrgon, I didn't see anything about locale in documentation I read. And exemple on wiki show locale is C too. Do you know how I can change this ?
2024-04-03 00:51:16	Namarrgon	"locale"
2024-04-03 00:51:25	Midjak	ok
2024-04-03 00:51:29	Namarrgon	the locale setup was part of the Installation Guide
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2024-04-03 00:51:54	Namarrgon	or the Beginners' Guide, depending on how old the system is
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2024-04-03 00:53:57	Midjak	yes I did that at least 5 years ago
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2024-04-03 00:54:24	Midjak	I have regenerate the layout for xorg and rest the password it seems to work
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2024-04-03 00:57:36	Midjak	ok I found the bad char...
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2024-04-03 14:18:32	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1443 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1442 regular)
2024-04-03 01:51:07	rcf	mpan: you mean the patched versions of sshd shipped by debian et al. 
2024-04-03 01:51:08	louipc	archlinux doesn't link openssh to xz
2024-04-03 01:51:14	mpan	rcf: yes
2024-04-03 01:51:25	mpan	Scimmia: OpenSSH includes liblzma?
2024-04-03 01:51:27	mpan	(on Arch)
2024-04-03 01:51:35	louipc	no
2024-04-03 01:51:42	Scimmia	mpan: no, you said sshd wasn't included in Arch
2024-04-03 01:51:55	mpan	Scimmia: “in which” :)
2024-04-03 01:52:35	Scimmia	I'm guessing this is a language issue, as that's the same in English
2024-04-03 01:52:37	louipc	mpan could have phrased it better
2024-04-03 01:53:09	mpan	My language module needs an update. It’s known for years! ;)
2024-04-03 01:53:59	Scimmia	there was an update from the original author today that they're doing through everything and it will take "several days"
2024-04-03 01:54:58	Namarrgon	i wouldn't want to be in their shoes right now
2024-04-03 01:55:15	Scimmia	yeah, I can't even imagine
2024-04-03 01:55:30	mpan	Neither would I. But 2/3 of why I wouldn’t be in their shoes is the reaction of the community, not the attack itself. :/
2024-04-03 01:56:16	bswartz	Reaction of the community is justified
2024-04-03 01:56:35	rcf	Which is why they should just orphan it. 
2024-04-03 01:56:45	mpan	Should also Microsoft orphan Windows?
2024-04-03 01:57:17	louipc	yes
2024-04-03 01:58:12	mpan	But this is exactly why community is shitty in this case.
2024-04-03 02:01:30	technonerd_	i dont have any digital audio output with pipewire after an update, i can get sound via analog option
2024-04-03 02:02:27	kouta	technonerd_: is this an external dac or an internal sound card?
2024-04-03 02:02:40	technonerd_	internal sound card
2024-04-03 02:04:29	kouta	use pavucontrol or similar to check under Configuration -> your sound card name if there's a profile that says something like "Digital Output" and try enabling it (don't worry, pavucontrol works for pulseaudio as well)
2024-04-03 02:09:16	technonerd_	ive selected Digital Stereo (IEC958) Output and switch the speaker to optic mode and get nothing
2024-04-03 02:20:35	rcf	technonerd_: to be clear, it worked before, right? 
2024-04-03 02:23:53	rdbo	hello
2024-04-03 02:24:55	gr33n7007h	will ruby be updated after the python 3.12 upgrade, anyone know?
2024-04-03 02:25:26	technonerd_	yes it use to work before, i could toggle between digital and analog in pavucontrol
2024-04-03 02:25:32	rdbo	hello guys! i was reading this arch wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GTK - it says "If the theme is not applied for GTK 3, use gsettings in addition:" why is that? why doesn't it apply? i set up the themes for new users at /etc/skel, just to find out that it's nor working without gsettings as well
2024-04-03 02:25:33	phrik	Title: GTK - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-03 02:25:51	rdbo	i've been asking everywhere about this and got no response yet :'(
2024-04-03 02:29:55	rcf	technonerd_: sadly sounds about right with my experience with pipewire. Restarting applications sometimes makes them switch to the prefered output. 
2024-04-03 02:39:50	edu4rdshl	rdbo, Gnome
2024-04-03 02:42:11	edu4rdshl	GTK is a Gnome toolkit, there are changes between versions, some versions respect some settings, others doesn't. If you use Gnome as DE, it will just work most of the time using the system's theme setting, but there are some components not initialized on another DEs so you need additional tweaks/settings
2024-04-03 03:26:27	greentail	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/xz/-/commit/98a81b02afacd45a165ed1bc8eedb25e6a5a39dd  
2024-04-03 03:26:28	phrik	Title: upgpkg: 5.6.1-3: rebuild packages without signature in sync db (98a81b02) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / xz · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-03 03:26:45	greentail	What does it mean "signature in sync db"?  
2024-04-03 03:27:10	Scimmia	it literally means that. The pgp sig isn't in the database
2024-04-03 03:28:02	greentail	Scimmia: whose PGP signature? JiaTan's? so JT's PGP signature was removed in this specific commit? And what database?  
2024-04-03 03:28:43	Scimmia	We're talking about pacman packages here
2024-04-03 03:30:30	greentail	Scimmia: I don't know how pacman packages work. What should I read to understand the phrase "signature in sync db"?  
2024-04-03 03:32:56	gromit	greentail: https://archlinux.org/todo/rebuild-packages-without-signature-in-sync-db/ and https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/dbscripts/-/merge_requests/52
2024-04-03 03:32:59	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Todo: Rebuild packages without signature in sync db (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-03 03:37:54	greentail	gromit: thank you!
2024-04-03 03:39:53	greentail	gromit: the changes mentioned in your links, were those changes made because of the xz fiasco?  
2024-04-03 03:40:05	Scimmia	no
2024-04-03 03:41:16	low-key	e^pi-1: nope, i could get other bindings to work but not the jumplist
2024-04-03 04:30:43	Numero	a desktop machine here has 1 of 4 vcores solidly in wait i/o. how can i tell what process is causing that? htop/top either isn't helpful or i'm not using them properly
2024-04-03 04:32:34	demonicmaniac1	atop or iotop
2024-04-03 04:37:43	Numero	demonicmaniac1: atop is showing one cpu ~95% wait but beats me as to what process in involved
2024-04-03 04:38:54	Numero	demonicmaniac1: machine's just sitting here in KDE/plasma with hexchat and konsole running
2024-04-03 04:43:43	demonicmaniac1	Numero: you can sort by cpu time or by disk activitiy
2024-04-03 04:50:17	Numero	demonicmaniac1: looks like it might be jfsCommit or upowerd
2024-04-03 04:54:05	demonicmaniac1	Numero: ran atop with administrator rights and checked d for the disk view?
2024-04-03 04:54:16	Numero	demonicmaniac1: exactly, yes
2024-04-03 04:54:30	demonicmaniac1	Numero: iosome full as well?
2024-04-03 04:55:16	Numero	demonicmaniac1: iosome staying around 47%
2024-04-03 04:55:31	demonicmaniac1	Numero: technically if you don't get iosome or iofull on a disk and just jfscommit saying 100% DSK then it doesn't mean the disk is actually stalling
2024-04-03 04:56:41	demonicmaniac1	50% iosome is quite a bit if it's sustained - what's the latency? there's also a latency figure for reads/writes
2024-04-03 04:56:48	demonicmaniac1	the avio value
2024-04-03 04:56:49	Numero	demonicmaniac1: i don't think the disk is stalling; the machine operates just fine but for this one vcore
2024-04-03 04:59:38	demonicmaniac1	no idea then but 50% iosome is quite a lot and if avio exceeds several ms then that can cause some iowait i suppose which wouldn't be attributed to a process. htop usually marks it in color as grey default i think and red? for iowait and stuff
2024-04-03 04:59:42	Numero	demonicmaniac1: this avio figure doesn't always appear in the rightmost column of that table of stuff but it's like 2.00ms
2024-04-03 04:59:54	demonicmaniac1	2ms and 50% is fine yeah
2024-04-03 05:04:57	Numero	demonicmaniac1: i'm going to try logging out and back in
2024-04-03 05:05:55	jensen1	is rfkill supposed to default block bluetooth usb adapter? i unblock, re-plug, and then it's blocked again. i only use tlp for power-saving and disabled it
2024-04-03 05:19:52	Numero	demonicmaniac1: after a logout/in, i had *two* cores in iowait
2024-04-03 05:20:37	Numero	also: it didn't have a good time in fsck on the way back up
2024-04-03 05:25:57	Numero	meanwhile - i'm sitting here watching this 8GiB RAM kde/plasma machine doing a considerable amount of paging
2024-04-03 05:26:48	Numero	baloo_file_extractor is running 
2024-04-03 05:27:11	edu4rdshl	baloo is always a resource hog
2024-04-03 05:28:31	Numero	still - 1.7GiB used of 7.6 total and 1GiB of swap being used. paging constandly
2024-04-03 05:29:26	edu4rdshl	Check iotop
2024-04-03 05:30:22	Numero	edu4rdshl:baloo_file_extractor 40-80M/s
2024-04-03 07:45:56	aljustiet	how can I enable the external keyboard when I have prompt to decrypt the luks2 encrypted disk on archlinux?
2024-04-03 07:47:39	llua	having keyboard appear before encrypt in mkinitcpio
2024-04-03 07:54:46	aljustiet	llua: HOOKS=(base udev autodetect modconf kms keyboard keymap consolefont block encrypt lvm2 filesystems fsck)
2024-04-03 07:55:00	aljustiet	The internal keyboard works, but I can't enter it using the external one
2024-04-03 07:55:10	aljustiet	Keychron k2 v2
2024-04-03 08:02:50	bookworm	if you updated your kernel when the external keyboard wasn't plugged in, autodetect might not pull it in
2024-04-03 08:06:14	archdemon	good to see another keychron user
2024-04-03 08:06:23	archdemon	never had any problem with that though
2024-04-03 08:12:37	archdemon	aljustiet: any luck? i have the V1 and i like it a lot
2024-04-03 08:27:40	elrohir	why is arch-chroot only available when booting from a liveusb?
2024-04-03 08:31:35	archdemon	!why
2024-04-03 08:31:35	phrik	Because you touch yourself at night.
2024-04-03 08:36:11	Dworin	elrohir: is it no longer available when booting from CD/DVD?
2024-04-03 08:38:42	japhir	today my cores are spinning up all over the place again, after an uptime of about 5 days. 10G of my 16GB RAM is being used, we're swapping, and at least one of my 4 cores is used at 100% (and it alternates which one). The fan is spinning fast. Killing firefox, which only had about 15 tabs open, seems to resolve this... I already use ublock origin and an unload tabs plugin. Any further ideas of
2024-04-03 08:38:44	japhir	what could be going on?
2024-04-03 08:39:33	japhir	someone previously suggested that it could be related to darkreader in dynamic mode, but how hard can it be to swap out some CSS elements?
2024-04-03 08:44:37	edu4rdshl	elrohir, it isn't. You just have to install arch-install-scripts
2024-04-03 08:44:58	edu4rdshl	These are included on the installation medium, ofc, so that's why it's available there by default
2024-04-03 08:45:31	edu4rdshl	japhir, use the Firefox resources monitor to check what's causing it
2024-04-03 08:54:07	elrohir	edu4rdshl, so it's possible to run arch-chroot from when booting from a harddrive?
2024-04-03 08:55:08	edu4rdshl	elrohir, yes. Install arch-install-scripts
2024-04-03 08:56:09	aljustiet	archdemon: It doesn't work only when the Luks2 prompt to decrypt opens up.
2024-04-03 08:56:10	ThommoMC	I'm a bit confused on how to configure chrony for my system, does anyone know of any other sources that are a bit more easier to understand than the arch wiki?
2024-04-03 08:57:21	edu4rdshl	ThommoMC, what is not clear?
2024-04-03 08:57:36	edu4rdshl	And why you don't use use systemd-timesyncd
2024-04-03 08:57:45	edu4rdshl	s/use //
2024-04-03 08:59:50	ThommoMC	I was looking at the arch wiki laptop page and it says it might be better as chrony is designed for systems without a perament internet connection
2024-04-03 09:00:22	ThommoMC	It also can sync faster and has a smaller memory footprint
2024-04-03 09:00:26	aljustiet	How can I make Firefox open Dolphin instead of a Gnome file like File Manager? I've already setup the mimeapps.list. But Firefox/Librewolf doesn't work with it. I have the line `inode/directory=org.kde.dolphin.desktop` in the mimeapps.list.
2024-04-03 09:02:20	archdemon	aljustiet: well i notice with mine the rgb is off and will come on and then i know my kb is working. Not sure why yours isnt. Have you tried a different usb port for the hell of it
2024-04-03 09:15:11	bookworm	aljustiet: that'd be the file chooser portal
2024-04-03 09:15:17	bookworm	well, file picker
2024-04-03 09:15:28	bookworm	xdg-desktop-portal-gtk I'd guess
2024-04-03 09:17:32	bookworm	meaning, flip that to the kde one for the file picker
2024-04-03 09:36:16	Tom^	xdg-desktop-portal-kde , widget.use-xdg-desktop-portal.* all set to 1 in firefox about:config but im not sure if that requires the KDE DE to actually be running
2024-04-03 09:36:25	Tom^	using dolphin in a wm is still a possibility :p
2024-04-03 09:50:11	t0t	hello
2024-04-03 10:16:18	bookworm	aljustiet: that's not what is being used. The xdg-portal, namely the FilePicker interface
2024-04-03 10:16:35	bookworm	!aw xdg-desktop-portal
2024-04-03 10:16:35	phrik	bookworm: Xdg-desktop-portal - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xdg-desktop-portal
2024-04-03 10:17:05	ecraven	hm.. in cgroups v2, is there any *other* way to set devices allow/deny than via writing ebpf?
2024-04-03 10:40:31	ecraven	how can I look at all loaded eBPF objects?
2024-04-03 10:43:51	fossdd	i guess with bpftop
2024-04-03 10:44:03	ecraven	thanks!
2024-04-03 12:09:06	bernhard	my 2 pcs are not powering off after shutting down anymore, do I need to manually adjust anything?
2024-04-03 12:13:38	gromit	bernhard: this could be due to a kernel issue, are you seeing any errors on shutdown? 
2024-04-03 12:14:47	Yanoi	hard shutdown by unplugging power supply. enter grub, start in safe mode
2024-04-03 12:15:07	Yanoi	then tell us whats up
2024-04-03 12:15:58	Yanoi	not powering off naturally is a pretty good reason to hard shutdown
2024-04-03 12:16:04	raster	well tbh you can do that if the kernel has already halted
2024-04-03 12:16:17	raster	it also depends how you shut down
2024-04-03 12:16:25	raster	poweroff vs halt for example
2024-04-03 12:16:28	bernhard	via gnome
2024-04-03 12:16:40	raster	then it should power off nicely as that'd use systemd
2024-04-03 12:17:01	Yanoi	hard shutdown means one thing: turn of the switch from the wall. for laptop: hold power button till screen goes black
2024-04-03 12:17:20	raster	(i dont use gnome but my de will use thew same mechanism to power of the system)
2024-04-03 12:17:21	Yanoi	im not even qualifies and even i know better.
2024-04-03 12:17:27	Yanoi	*qualified
2024-04-03 12:18:10	bernhard	dbus-broker-launch[543]: Activation request for 'org.freedesktop.nm_dispatcher' failed
2024-04-03 12:18:42	bernhard	one sec
2024-04-03 12:19:03	raster	ber so the question is has youer kernel halted but your system remains powered?
2024-04-03 12:19:14	raster	i've seen that if you use halt instead of poweroff (cmdline)
2024-04-03 12:19:31	Yanoi	i just realised this is archlinux, not ubuntu based distros
2024-04-03 12:19:38	raster	or does it not even try to shut down?
2024-04-03 12:19:41	Yanoi	appologies
2024-04-03 12:20:03	Tom^	probably not many other choices but if its stuck before it had synced the disks and you pull the plug? oh boy.
2024-04-03 12:20:08	bernhard	https://dpaste.com/8UYVQHPCP
2024-04-03 12:20:13	phrik	Title: dpaste: 8UYVQHPCP (at dpaste.com)
2024-04-03 12:20:16	Yanoi	Netsysfire: gfys
2024-04-03 12:20:20	bernhard	it's almost a meg of text
2024-04-03 12:20:55	Tom^	bernhard: you are having oopses on bluetooth
2024-04-03 12:21:02	raster	hmm
2024-04-03 12:21:10	Tom^	it probably doesnt shutdown because it cant kill/unload that properly
2024-04-03 12:21:14	bernhard	yeah, for a while, it's a logitech wireless mouse
2024-04-03 12:21:28	bernhard	it also caused those mkinitcpio races that were fixed recently
2024-04-03 12:21:36	phrik	Title: VPN Alternative | Zscaler Private Access (ZPA) | Zscaler (at www.zscaler.com)
2024-04-03 12:21:38	raster	journal stopped - i suspect kernel has halted but somehiow it's never actually powered down
2024-04-03 12:21:43	raster	ie halt vs poweroff
2024-04-03 12:21:57	raster	you dont see any kernel messages on screen ?
2024-04-03 12:22:02	bernhard	raster: npe
2024-04-03 12:22:04	bernhard	nope*
2024-04-03 12:22:42	raster	hmm
2024-04-03 12:23:42	raster	well i assume if you had kenrel messages you'd see a "system halted" at the end.. then it still is powered. but without those i'm just guessing
2024-04-03 12:23:59	raster	ber yeah - try poweroff (cmd)
2024-04-03 12:24:02	Tom^	bernhard: https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/bluetooth/patch/20240326164317.1460864-1-luiz.dentz@gmail.com/
2024-04-03 12:24:03	phrik	Title: [v1] Bluetooth: hci_sync: Fix not checking error on hci_cmd_sync_cancel_sync - Patchwork (at patchwork.kernel.org)
2024-04-03 12:24:08	Tom^	apply, try again
2024-04-03 12:25:20	Yanoi	dude: we dont need to see 3 hours of activity. especially with discord streaming. this is when you attempted exit: Apr 03 00:45:41 elisabeth gnome-shell[1433]: endSessionDialog: No XDG_SESSION_ID, fetched from logind: 3
2024-04-03 12:26:09	bernhard	NetSysFire: yes, poweroff in terminal works
2024-04-03 12:26:21	raster	interesting...
2024-04-03 12:26:48	raster	so ... it is what i kind of thought it was... halt vs poweroff
2024-04-03 12:26:49	bernhard	probably some new GNOME/systemd interaction?
2024-04-03 12:27:18	Yanoi	it could be your recent update to installing drivers or discord. which archlinux may not have updated yet
2024-04-03 12:27:33	raster	but... its the same dbus PowerOff call...
2024-04-03 12:27:44	raster	(to logind)
2024-04-03 12:27:55	raster	unless gnome has decided to no longer do this?
2024-04-03 12:27:59	bernhard	ok, powered down again properly using GNOME, so not easy to reproduce
2024-04-03 12:28:19	bernhard	yes
2024-04-03 12:28:22	raster	wait
2024-04-03 12:28:27	MacGyver	Urgh, dpaste sucks ass with its fixed-width white background that DOESN'T EXTEND INTO THE SCROLL AREA.
2024-04-03 12:28:33	raster	has gnome shifted to move Halt instead of PowerOff ?
2024-04-03 12:28:37	MacGyver	Sorry, </rant>
2024-04-03 12:28:52	raster	ber oh ... it's not consistent...
2024-04-03 12:29:10	raster	maybe something is refusing to shut down (some service)
2024-04-03 12:29:17	raster	NetSysFire: yeah - sorry - i
2024-04-03 12:29:19	raster	i'
2024-04-03 12:29:22	bernhard	a recent update also timed out when running udevsomething settle
2024-04-03 12:29:30	raster	i'm lagging in the irc messages :)
2024-04-03 12:30:23	bernhard	NetSysFire: what do you mean? a kernel without arch patches?
2024-04-03 12:30:30	Yanoi	bernhard: if you thinks it is hardware related, turn on the machine like you did before. if it turns out the same problem exists
2024-04-03 12:30:49	bernhard	or just wait for the next release?
2024-04-03 12:31:15	bernhard	ah, I will wait for a release then, thank you
2024-04-03 12:31:32	Namarrgon	there is wifi/bt regression in iwlwifi that breaks udev as a side effect
2024-04-03 12:31:36	bernhard	since it unmounts all volumes properly, powering off by holding the power button should be safe I guess
2024-04-03 12:32:08	gromit	NetSysFire: there are a few patches, but nothing compared to other distros patchsets
2024-04-03 12:32:23	raster	it seems all your drives are unmounted so yeah - a hard powerdown will be ok then
2024-04-03 12:32:47	raster	burt if you system is stuck and it just cant do anything more you sometimes just have no choice. it should be a last resort either way
2024-04-03 12:32:50	MacGyver	bernhard: You could (buyer beware, but this is about the only partial upgrade that is expected to not catastrophically break the system) revert to the kernel you were running before this started happening, or run the -lts kernel.
2024-04-03 12:33:08	MacGyver	bernhard: That might at least give some indication of whether this is a kernel regression, or something else.
2024-04-03 12:34:44	bernhard	thank you!
2024-04-03 12:44:31	Yanoi	who would have thought: 1 byte edited to a plain text file renders arch linux totally fucking useless. 
2024-04-03 12:45:30	Namarrgon	is there anything we can help you with?
2024-04-03 12:49:47	gog	what byte to what file
2024-04-03 12:55:33	SCHAPiE	First see, then believe
2024-04-03 12:57:03	gog	well, the statement leaves a lot to interpretation
2024-04-03 13:01:25	MacGyver	I'm also curious which file they're referring to.
2024-04-03 13:01:35	MacGyver	I can think of several candidates.
2024-04-03 13:01:55	Namarrgon	on any distro
2024-04-03 13:01:58	MacGyver	Indeed.
2024-04-03 13:02:12	gog	i'd really like to know
2024-04-03 13:02:30	MacGyver	If you strategically remove a # from the start, I can think of many, *many* files.
2024-04-03 13:03:10	MacGyver	So which particular one where you wouldn't *expect* this -- to warrant such a response -- is of interest.
2024-04-03 13:03:56	MacGyver	NetSysFire: That's a non-sequitur, even though the premise is true.
2024-04-03 13:03:58	MacGyver	!as
2024-04-03 13:03:59	phrik	Arch Sucks™
2024-04-03 13:04:03	phrik	Arch *Strategically* Sucks™
2024-04-03 13:10:17	gog	arch suffers from the same condition as all linux distributions
2024-04-03 13:11:59	MacGyver	gog: Having users?
2024-04-03 13:12:16	Earnestly	Just enjoy it when people openly tell everyone they're incompetent
2024-04-03 13:13:02	gog	MacGyver: being linux
2024-04-03 13:13:13	gog	that said, linux is the best operating system for me to use
2024-04-03 13:24:45	Tom^	Earnestly: is anyone really competent?
2024-04-03 13:25:25	gog	i know my weaknesses
2024-04-03 13:25:32	gog	or rather, i know i have unknown weaknesses
2024-04-03 13:26:05	Foxboron	Tom^: I'm three foxes in a trenchcoat
2024-04-03 13:26:12	Earnestly	Tom^: Besides the point good man, the point is to not advertise it
2024-04-03 13:26:12	Tom^	bet most of us are good at some things, but together we are good at a lot of things
2024-04-03 13:26:22	phrik	NetSysFire: Tada!
2024-04-03 13:26:24	Tom^	Earnestly: :D
2024-04-03 13:26:43	Tom^	and Foxboron is just a fox
2024-04-03 13:27:09	gog	a fox made of boron
2024-04-03 13:27:33	phrik	Foxartin
2024-04-03 14:17:22	hseg	I seem to recall PKGBUILD guidelines saying one shouldn't add direct dependencies of `base` to any of the *depends, but checking wiki only mentions not adding `base-devel` to {make,check}depends. Has this changed, or is this a documentation bug?
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2024-04-03 14:24:22	mpan	hseg: no, base is assumed to be installed.
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2024-04-03 14:24:52	hseg	ok, so documentation bug. Any source for this policy I could point to?
2024-04-03 14:25:02	mpan	And no, it’s not a documentation bug.
2024-04-03 14:25:12	mpan	No, as far as I can tell. There is no policy.
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2024-04-03 14:25:21	mpan	base is assumed to be installed.
2024-04-03 14:26:04	mpan	So is base-devel, if one builds from PKGBUILD, and it’s also not a policy, but a fact. It is mentioned here and there, because a person writing a PKGBUILD may not instantly realize this fact.
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2024-04-03 14:26:57	hseg	OK, thanks!
2024-04-03 14:27:37	mpan	That is: base-devel must be installed if you want to use makepkg, but not everybody may — while writing a PKGBUILD — realize there is such a requirement.
2024-04-03 14:27:47	mpan	base is always installed, by definition.
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2024-04-03 14:28:56	hseg	right. am arguing with someone that `file` doesn't need to be listed in `depends`, and would've appreciated an authoritative source here
2024-04-03 14:30:29	mpan	I beleive there is no authoritative source (other than some dev supporting what I said :P) and TBH the person you are talking to, requiring “authoritative response”, is in this case demading you to make a fallacy ;).
2024-04-03 14:30:48	hseg	:)
2024-04-03 14:30:49	mpan	base must be installed on Arch, always. Hence there is no need to list packages from it.
2024-04-03 14:31:06	mpan	Equally base-devel must be installed if makepkg is used, hence no need to list packages from it.
2024-04-03 14:31:09	mpan	!aw makepkg
2024-04-03 14:31:10	phrik	mpan: Makepkg - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Makepkg
2024-04-03 14:31:21	mpan	↑ usage section
2024-04-03 14:32:06	mpan	But note that AW is user-generated content, not from the project itself. So it’s only slightly more authoritative than any random regular here.
2024-04-03 14:32:13	hseg	right
2024-04-03 14:33:18	mpan	You could register, add such a note for base, and present it to the person you are talking to. I hope you see, why the person’s request is somewhat pointless.
2024-04-03 14:34:11	hseg	I am registered, the question is whether this misunderstanding points to a need to clarify on-wiki
2024-04-03 14:34:43	mpan	*Personally* I don’t think it needs clarification. But that’s my own opinion in this case.
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2024-04-03 14:35:03	hseg	wouldn't've thought so myself either
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2024-04-03 14:35:54	mpan	For base-devel the clarification might be useful, as it’s easy to miss that base-devel is going to be installed if building from PKGBUILD. The presence of base is hard to miss.
2024-04-03 14:36:24	mpan	For both cases there is an edge case of a package being removed from base/base-devel. But this is not adressed in the base-devel case either.
2024-04-03 14:36:47	hseg	hrm. perhaps I shouldn't make such a fuss -- after all, glibc is a good counterexample here
2024-04-03 14:37:06	mpan	This is a place to make fuss. :)
2024-04-03 14:37:16	mpan	(as long as it’s on-topic and productive)
2024-04-03 14:37:19	hseg	:)
2024-04-03 14:38:01	hseg	think I'll open a topic for this on the PKGBUILD wiki, get opinions recorded for posterity
2024-04-03 14:38:59	mpan	hseg++
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2024-04-03 14:40:23	gromit	hseg: is the person having an actual problem (i.e. do they really not have base installed) or is it just some discussion? :P
2024-04-03 14:40:37	hseg	it's just a policy discussion
2024-04-03 14:40:57	hseg	the particular dependency that sparked this is `file`
2024-04-03 14:41:13	hseg	it was odd to me that it'd be a dependency, so I asked them why they pulled it in
2024-04-03 14:41:28	hseg	answer: maybe base will remove it at some point
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2024-04-03 14:42:12	mpan	hseg: the point I raised above. But the same is true for base-devel, so it can’t be held as an argument, if the note on base-devel is accepted. :)
2024-04-03 14:42:32	mpan	But yes, I believe the person is just trying to argue for the sake of argument. :/
2024-04-03 14:44:08	hseg	just checked number of "Required by" for base packages, in case anyone was wondering: https://0x0.st/XzGc.txt
2024-04-03 14:44:33	hseg	(at least, on my system)
2024-04-03 14:44:37	Scimmia	hseg: base-devel is always assumed at build time. Base can be assumed at run time, but doesn't have to be
2024-04-03 14:45:12	hseg	so my interlocutor is correct? adding base deps is OK?
2024-04-03 14:45:23	Scimmia	yes, it's ok, but not required
2024-04-03 14:45:50	mpan	Scimmia: how can base be assumed during runtime, but not during buildtime?
2024-04-03 14:46:01	mpan	In particular on Arch, where it must be installed?
2024-04-03 14:46:08	hseg	OK, I'll drop the matter with them, leaving just a note in wiki in case someone wants to pick this up
2024-04-03 14:46:17	Scimmia	mpan: build with devtools and find out
2024-04-03 14:46:29	mpan	Scimmia: ok, point taken.
2024-04-03 14:47:38	mpan	hseg: given the counterexample from above, I must agree base is not always assumed.
2024-04-03 14:48:39	gromit	mpan: base is assumed to be installed at runtime
2024-04-03 14:49:08	mpan	gromit: but we are talking about build time.
2024-04-03 14:49:22	mpan	So I wasn’t right on that.
2024-04-03 15:04:30	hseg	posted, thanks! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Talk:PKGBUILD#%22Don%27t_include_base_in_depends%22_guideline%3F
2024-04-03 15:04:31	phrik	Title: Talk:PKGBUILD - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-03 15:08:15	hseg	gtg
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2024-04-03 16:11:33	vic-thor	what is the simplest udisk2 automounter?
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2024-04-03 16:17:23	causasui	how would you use pacman -Ss to find extra/go without also returning tons of useless results, as with 'pacman -Ss go' ?
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2024-04-03 16:17:45	causasui	it supports regular expressions
2024-04-03 16:17:47	causasui	nm
2024-04-03 16:18:02	causasui	pacman -Ss '^go$'
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2024-04-03 16:19:09	gog	this is something i also discovered recently, very handy
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2024-04-03 16:19:43	Scimmia	If you just want only 'go', why use the search function?
2024-04-03 16:22:01	BrainDamage	I think that was just an example of one of the most aliased packages
2024-04-03 16:22:07	causasui	^
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2024-04-03 16:57:15	toprak	guys how can I make pkgctl remove make deps. after doing pkgctl build?
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2024-04-03 17:02:08	gromit	toprak: the dependencies are only installed into the chroot, so there are no makedeps to remove
2024-04-03 17:02:09	magesing	Hi all... Anyone know if any packages distributed in the arch repos included the XZ back door?
2024-04-03 17:02:31	toprak	gromit: thank you!
2024-04-03 17:02:44	gromit	magesing: current knowledge is that there are no packages containing the backdoor
2024-04-03 17:02:53	gromit	Might have other vulns tho 
2024-04-03 17:04:00	magesing	@gromit: Thanks. We can never be sure there are 0 vulnerabilities... just have to be vigilant about patching the ones that get found.
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2024-04-03 17:08:25	magesing	Probably should have searched before asking here... According to this site: https://archlinux.org/news/the-xz-package-has-been-backdoored/  the bad versions of XZ did get distributed, and the fix is to update. I think `core/xz 5.6.1-3 [installed]` means I now have the appropriate version of the library with the backdoor removed
2024-04-03 17:08:27	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: The xz package has been backdoored (at archlinux.org)
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2024-04-03 17:09:10	gromit	magesing: yeah but whats missing from that post is that the bad code actually never got compiled into the arch binary since the build system trigger only activated on deb and RPM distros
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2024-04-03 17:10:03	gromit	https://research.swtch.com/xz-script
2024-04-03 17:10:04	phrik	Title: research!rsc: The xz attack shell script (at research.swtch.com)
2024-04-03 17:10:08	magesing	@gromit: I wasn't sure if the arch build-chain was different enough from those to make us safe.
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2024-04-03 17:26:33	aljustiet	How can I run the signal in wayland?
2024-04-03 17:26:57	aljustiet	When I run it using this it doesn't open up in wayland? `/usr/bin/signal-desktop --enable-features=UseOzonePlatform --ozone-platform=wayland`
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2024-04-03 17:27:22	aljustiet	I mean that it runs but the GUI doesn't popup
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2024-04-03 17:27:48	Tom^	aljustiet: nvidia?
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2024-04-03 17:28:19	aljustiet	Tom^: amd
2024-04-03 17:28:28	aljustiet	6850U
2024-04-03 17:28:40	aljustiet	WM: hyprland
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2024-04-03 17:28:58	Tom^	yeah no idea then, nvidia has this nice bug of dying on certain electron/chromium when running it in wayland. but amd is something else :p
2024-04-03 17:29:21	aljustiet	Tom^: How can I debug the electron apps?
2024-04-03 17:29:38	Tom^	no idea
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2024-04-03 17:33:49	edu4rdshl	aljustiet, just run it again
2024-04-03 17:34:09	edu4rdshl	There's a bug where you need to double-exec the command for it to became vissible
2024-04-03 17:34:14	edu4rdshl	visible*
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2024-04-03 17:34:38	edu4rdshl	And when I said "again" I mean while having the app running
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2024-04-03 17:38:51	aljustiet	edu4rdshl: it works
2024-04-03 17:39:47	aljustiet	edu4rdshl: Does it have the open issue open somewhere?
2024-04-03 17:40:00	edu4rdshl	No idea
2024-04-03 17:41:03	edu4rdshl	I got bored of reporting issues to signal devs and that they respond with "are you using Ubuntu? We only support it"
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2024-04-03 17:41:17	aljustiet	I made bash script that runs the signal 2 times
2024-04-03 17:41:21	aljustiet	)
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2024-04-03 17:48:13	BrainDamage	https://xkcd.com/1495/
2024-04-03 17:48:15	phrik	Title: xkcd: Hard Reboot (at xkcd.com)
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2024-04-03 17:55:34	sunyibo	my computer is getting stuck at loading initial ramdisk... How can I troubleshoot?
2024-04-03 17:56:01	edu4rdshl	Start by removing the quiet parameter from the boot cmdline
2024-04-03 17:56:13	teraflops	sunyibo: after updating the system?
2024-04-03 17:56:21	sunyibo	yup
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2024-04-03 17:56:36	teraflops	it went well? (the update)
2024-04-03 17:56:49	sunyibo	I think so
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2024-04-03 17:57:13	magesing	sunyibo: If you boot off of arch install media,  are you able to mount your partitions and chroot into them?
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2024-04-03 17:58:05	sunyibo	I guess I'll have to try. I'm just annoyed, becaused it's the second time like in a week. Last time I installed linux-lts and was fine after that
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2024-04-03 17:58:14	wunit	before resorting to a live image, I'd start with edu4rdshl's suggestion of removing `quiet` from the bootcmd (or adding `noquiet` if needed)
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2024-04-03 17:58:27	teraflops	sunyibo: do you have e separated boot partition?
2024-04-03 17:58:35	teraflops	e/a
2024-04-03 17:58:52	sunyibo	I think so
2024-04-03 17:59:08	edu4rdshl	How do you installed Arch?
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2024-04-03 17:59:30	sunyibo	How full encryption
2024-04-03 17:59:30	teraflops	so ensure boot partition is mounted while installing a new kernel or generating initramfs images
2024-04-03 17:59:31	edu4rdshl	"I think so" really doesn't help at all
2024-04-03 17:59:40	aljustiet	how can I change the theme for the virtualbox?
2024-04-03 18:00:01	edu4rdshl	sunyibo, what does that mean
2024-04-03 18:00:03	sunyibo	full encryption with wireguard luks decrypt
2024-04-03 18:00:10	edu4rdshl	But how
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2024-04-03 18:00:53	sunyibo	I followed this https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#LVM_on_LUKS
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2024-04-03 18:00:55	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Encrypting an entire system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-03 18:02:15	edu4rdshl	Well, my advice now is to use a live USB, mount everything (including the boot partition), reinstall the kernel
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2024-04-03 18:02:28	sunyibo	plus this https://github.com/dharrigan/mkinitcpio-wireguard
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2024-04-03 18:02:45	teraflops	is this a remote machine? vps?
2024-04-03 18:02:45	edu4rdshl	That should fix your issue. Also, make sure that your boot partition is always mounted when updating
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2024-04-03 18:03:53	sunyibo	I planned it to be a remote machine, therefore encrypted with wireguard hook. But it's physically in front of me.
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2024-04-03 18:07:28	sunyibo	how can I remove quiet from the bootcmd?
2024-04-03 18:07:31	sunyibo	bios?
2024-04-03 18:08:00	sunyibo	bios.
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2024-04-03 18:08:33	teraflops	sunyibo: which bootloader are you using?
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2024-04-03 18:08:49	sunyibo	grub
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2024-04-03 18:08:56	teraflops	/etc/default/grub
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2024-04-03 18:09:11	teraflops	remove quiet and regenerate grub.cfg
2024-04-03 18:09:13	lmat	lspci shows my graphics card: "23:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation DG2 [Arc A750] (rev 08)" but clinfo -l doesn't show it: https://paste.rs/H9ISK How do I get my graphics card to show up in clinfo? Does this mean something isn't configured properly?
2024-04-03 18:09:15	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/Xzkz.txt
2024-04-03 18:09:15	sunyibo	that means booting with a stick
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2024-04-03 18:09:59	lmat	EMIYA: What's wrong with my link?
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2024-04-03 18:11:13	lmat	EMIYA: Running curl on them both has identical output!
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2024-04-03 18:11:58	tirnanog	yes, but arguing that with a bot is unlikely to change anything.
2024-04-03 18:12:06	teraflops	;)
2024-04-03 18:12:29	magesing	sunyibo: yeah, if your system won't boot, you'll need to boot from a stick in order to get into an environment to be able to fix anything.
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2024-04-03 18:13:13	mpan	Given paste.rs is among the suggested paste services, indeed… why is EMIYA repasting? >_>
2024-04-03 18:13:16	tirnanog	grawity: see above (perhaps paste.rs should be whitelisted).
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2024-04-03 18:14:42	Scimmia	sunyibo: at the grub menu, hit 'e' iirc
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2024-04-03 18:15:32	Namarrgon	lmat: which opencl runtimes do you have installed?
2024-04-03 18:15:44	rmagno	I am having issues with the gdal and arrow packages. gdal commands complain about undefined symbols: https://github.com/OSGeo/gdal/issues/9606. Could you help me confirm if it's just me?
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2024-04-03 18:17:14	lmat	Namarrgon: Thanks for asking! opencl-nvidia I guess is the only one which is obviously not the right way. Should I install opencl-clover-mesa?
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2024-04-03 18:17:40	lmat	or maybe intel-opencl-runtime
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2024-04-03 18:17:44	Namarrgon	lmat: have you looked that the opencl page on the wiki?
2024-04-03 18:17:49	Namarrgon	*looked at
2024-04-03 18:18:07	aljustiet	How can I changet the virtualbox theme to kvantum's?
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2024-04-03 18:18:08	lmat	Namarrgon: Nope, looking now!
2024-04-03 18:18:13	sunyibo	never mind. It works. I tried a fallback image and after a long wait it booted.
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2024-04-03 18:18:36	gromit	rmagno: Which package owns /usr/lib/gdalplugins/ogr_Arrow.so? you can check with pacman -Qqo
2024-04-03 18:18:57	Namarrgon	aljustiet: kvantum has an opt-dep, maybe start with that
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2024-04-03 18:19:44	Namarrgon	rmagno: is the system fully up-to-date?
2024-04-03 18:20:21	rmagno	Namarrgon, yes.
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2024-04-03 18:20:23	aljustiet	Namarrgon: What is it?
2024-04-03 18:20:45	Namarrgon	aljustiet: kvantum is a qt6 program, virtualbox uses qt5
2024-04-03 18:21:01	rmagno	Namarrgon: /usr/lib/gdalplugins/ogr_Arrow.so is owned by gdal 3.8.4-2.
2024-04-03 18:21:03	Namarrgon	aljustiet: "pacman -Si kvantum" -> optional dependencies
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2024-04-03 18:21:54	gromit	Namarrgon, rmagno: I can repro the issues
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2024-04-03 18:22:20	rmagno	gromit: good! (I mean, not good but at least I'm not the only one :))
2024-04-03 18:22:32	Namarrgon	gromit: works here, maybe it's an undeclared dep
2024-04-03 18:22:41	Namarrgon	i'm on testing, though
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2024-04-03 18:23:00	gromit	Namarrgon: I am aswell, hmm
2024-04-03 18:23:49	Codebecile	What're we testing? What up? I have testing repos setup.
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2024-04-03 18:23:54	aljustiet	Namarrgon: I ran this command: `QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=kvantum-qt5 VirtualBox`, but it haven't changed my theme
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2024-04-03 18:24:13	aljustiet	hasn't*
2024-04-03 18:24:23	Namarrgon	aljustiet: do you have kvantum-qt5 installed?
2024-04-03 18:24:25	gromit	Codebecile: see the error in rmagno's ticket when running gdalinfo --version 
2024-04-03 18:24:46	aljustiet	Namarrgon: Yes
2024-04-03 18:25:31	aljustiet	```
2024-04-03 18:25:31	Namarrgon	ah, nvm, it is broken
2024-04-03 18:25:41	aljustiet	~ fd 'kvantum-qt5' //var/lib/pacman/local/kvantum-qt5-1.1.0-1/
2024-04-03 18:25:46	Namarrgon	yeah, gdal just needs a rebuild
2024-04-03 18:25:50	aljustiet	~ fd 'kvantum-qt5' /\n/var/lib/pacman/local/kvantum-qt5-1.1.0-1/
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2024-04-03 18:26:17	Namarrgon	aljustiet: is this arch linux?
2024-04-03 18:26:23	aljustiet	Namarrgon: yeh
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2024-04-03 18:26:39	Namarrgon	a simple check then is "pacman -Q <pkgname>"
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2024-04-03 18:26:55	Namarrgon	if you know the exact package name
2024-04-03 18:27:01	Codebecile	gromit: Mmh... Anything I could do to help?
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2024-04-03 18:27:27	aljustiet	~ pacman -Q kvantum-qt5 -> kvantum-qt5 1.1.0-1
2024-04-03 18:27:48	gromit	Namarrgon: so you can also repro the issue or was that regarding the other issue? 
2024-04-03 18:27:55	aljustiet	~ fd 'kvantum-qt5' / -> /var/lib/pacman/local/kvantum-qt5-1.1.0-1/
2024-04-03 18:27:59	Namarrgon	gromit: yeah, it's broken
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2024-04-03 18:33:25	aljustiet	Namarrgon: I used the linux-zen kernel before, because of it I installed the virtualbox-host-dkms instead of the virtualbox-host-modules-arch.
2024-04-03 18:33:28	aljustiet	Now it works
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2024-04-03 18:34:08	Namarrgon	gromit: rmagno: i only tested it against the arrow plugin but a rebuild fixes the issue
2024-04-03 18:34:28	Namarrgon	aljustiet: the kernel module has nothing to do with the theme of the gui frontend
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2024-04-03 18:36:16	aljustiet	I had the virtualbox desktop file in the /opt, now I have it in /usr/share/applications
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2024-04-03 18:36:46	Namarrgon	what else did you (re)install?
2024-04-03 18:37:42	aljustiet	virtualbox only
2024-04-03 18:38:11	Namarrgon	which virtualbox package were you using before that?
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2024-04-03 18:38:50	Namarrgon	the arch package shouldn't have had any files in /opt
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2024-04-03 18:39:34	gromit	rmagno: rebuilt the package, just update soonish and things should work 👍
2024-04-03 18:39:54	gromit	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/gdal/-/commit/4a56862bb78b1884f8093e9c7195ef9c8aac9233
2024-04-03 18:39:55	phrik	Title: upgpkg: 3.8.4-3: rebuild to fix ABI compat with arrow (4a56862b) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / gdal · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-03 18:41:17	rmagno	Namarrgon, gromit: you guys are the best! I will check again in a while.
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2024-04-03 18:57:08	docdrow	anyone running the pcmanfm package from default repos?
2024-04-03 18:57:18	docdrow	I can't figure out how to change the font :(  it's linked with gtk4 now
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2024-04-03 18:59:05	Tom^	docdrow: probably requires gsettings usage now
2024-04-03 18:59:41	Tom^	gsettings list-keys org.gnome.desktop.interface , gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface font-name FONTNAME
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2024-04-03 19:03:25	docdrow	yea I've set those, and those have changed otehr things but not my pcmanfm stuff
2024-04-03 19:03:42	docdrow	I just did a fresh install on a new PC, so I'm hassling with stuff
2024-04-03 19:03:53	docdrow	I just noticed it's using xwayland too even tough I GDK_BACKEND=wayland
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2024-04-03 19:07:06	docdrow	ah neverind, just needed to use pcmanfm-gtk3 instead
2024-04-03 19:07:41	Tom^	docdrow: https://gist.github.com/gulafaran/adafcb31da5838581314eee9041d947d i did this before kde eventually fixed their gtk-settings kcm
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2024-04-03 19:38:09	zava	Hey, I get a unknown filesystem vfat error when booting. I chrooted and reinstalled the kernel, but for the current version there are no modules in the lib/modules/6.8.2 folder
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2024-04-03 19:38:49	zava	I would be very grateful if you helped me
2024-04-03 19:40:35	MrElendig	boot install image, mount everything in the correct order, reinstall the kernel package
2024-04-03 19:41:04	MrElendig	alternatively install the old kernel package, mount the correct thing to /boot, then reinstall the new package
2024-04-03 19:41:44	MrElendig	I do assume that `uname -r; pacman -Q linux` doesn't match
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2024-04-03 19:50:26	zava	apparently my /lib/modules/6.8.2/kernel/fs folder does not have vfat in it
2024-04-03 19:50:52	zava	oh sorry didnt scroll down 
2024-04-03 19:51:27	zava	I booted and chrooted after mounting root and boot and reinstalled 6.8.2
2024-04-03 19:51:50	MrElendig	make sure the correct thing was mounted to /boot in the correct order
2024-04-03 19:51:54	zava	uname -r gives me the version of the chroot kernel somehow instead of the installed one
2024-04-03 19:52:15	MrElendig	that is normal when you are in a chroot obviously
2024-04-03 19:52:23	zava	ok didnt know that haha
2024-04-03 19:52:31	zava	but that makes sense
2024-04-03 19:52:38	MrElendig	chroot doesn't change the running kernel, it just changes what / references
2024-04-03 19:53:16	zava	cool. I did mount /dev/sda3 /mnt and then /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot
2024-04-03 19:54:42	zava	ill try the old kernel method
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2024-04-03 19:55:35	MrElendig	running a custom kernel?
2024-04-03 19:55:55	zava	no but I am in testing
2024-04-03 19:56:10	MrElendig	you won't have /lib/modules/6.8.2/kernel/fs at all with the stock arch kernel
2024-04-03 19:56:56	MrElendig	you would have /usr/lib/modules/6.8.2-arch2-1/kernel/fs
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2024-04-03 19:59:54	zava	true
2024-04-03 20:00:10	zava	but sadly, I do not
2024-04-03 20:01:01	zava	now after installing 6.8.0 fs does not reside in that folder either
2024-04-03 20:01:18	zava	fat does exist
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2024-04-03 20:02:53	MrElendig	obviously won't be in .2 when you have .0 installed
2024-04-03 20:03:08	MrElendig	anyway, make sure you are mounting the correct thing to boot and then update the kernel package
2024-04-03 20:03:22	zava	ok thank you. I have an idea about what went wrong
2024-04-03 20:03:25	MrElendig	and doublecheck that your bootloader is actually looking at the correct partition while you are at it
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2024-04-03 20:03:35	zava	it would of course be totally my fault
2024-04-03 20:03:50	MrElendig	classic "wrong thing being mounted to /boot when you updated for some reason" problem
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2024-04-03 20:04:02	MrElendig	alternatively murdered pacman during updating
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2024-04-03 20:12:06	zava	i have 2 Linux installs and I cloned the first. maybe I was using the boot entry of the clone that was targeting the uuid of the original
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2024-04-03 20:32:12	zava	apparently when you clone a linux install you copy the UUID too
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2024-04-03 20:34:38	MrElendig	the fs uuid yes
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2024-04-03 21:00:26	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-03 21:00:26	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1463 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1462 regular)
2024-04-03 21:00:28	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-03 21:00:28	Tom^	m15k: https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=ponymix-git
2024-04-03 21:00:29	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-03 21:02:14	m15k	Tom^: How is that version calculated? "5.r4.g83c6557" the suffix looks like a hash.
2024-04-03 21:02:42	Tom^	m15k: by the pkgver() function
2024-04-03 21:02:47	alad	ponymix : O
2024-04-03 21:02:49	Tom^	m15k: makepkg does it for you
2024-04-03 21:02:52	alad	now there's a name I haven't heard in a long time
2024-04-03 21:02:58	Tom^	alad: everyone needs to learn from the man
2024-04-03 21:03:02	Tom^	alad: and im old
2024-04-03 21:03:05	alad	Tom^: same
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2024-04-03 21:03:25	Tom^	i still miss the ocassional +m and ascii elephant
2024-04-03 21:03:45	alad	Tom^: I am writing this IRC comment from my VICTOR 9000 running the latest CP/M-86
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2024-04-03 21:04:31	alad	Tom^: I used to do +m elephants in #aot some time ago
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2024-04-03 21:04:44	alad	but then I realized #aot is a crime against humanity so I left
2024-04-03 21:04:48	Tom^	yeah but he did it here
2024-04-03 21:05:22	Tom^	i dare ya
2024-04-03 21:05:24	Tom^	:D
2024-04-03 21:05:27	alad	: O
2024-04-03 21:05:44	alad	Tom^: EMIYA ruins the fun :(
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2024-04-03 21:06:09	alad	last time I tried an +m elephant, emiya opped and kicked me >: |
2024-04-03 21:06:15	Tom^	yeah things are to serious these days
2024-04-03 21:06:21	alad	I can't even ban EMIYA, because he unbans himself
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2024-04-03 21:07:46	Tom^	does phrik do multiline quotes?
2024-04-03 21:07:51	Tom^	haha
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2024-04-03 21:09:12	astralc	never fight with the bots. didn't you see the matrix?
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2024-04-03 21:09:59	m15k	Any more feedback: https://gist.github.com/asbachb/4f470164e98c989e80c5c42e6ab6cff3 ?
2024-04-03 21:10:41	Tom^	m15k: quote the cd $vars
2024-04-03 21:11:57	m15k	ok
2024-04-03 21:12:07	astralc	shouldn't it also depend on openvpn?
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2024-04-03 21:12:55	m15k	you're right, I guess I wanted to get the build right before fixing the stuff up.
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2024-04-03 21:20:56	m15k	nice. got it working. thanks astralc, Tom^, edu4rdshl
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2024-04-03 22:41:32	dmr104	i have a fresh install of arch linux.  This was done 3 months ago and has not been used since.  I think i must have forgotten to install dhclient.  I am now sharing my internet connection to arch from a debian linux machine.  I can ping the home router.  How can get dns name resolution to work?  do I need to add some ip addresses for the resolver to some config file?
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2024-04-03 22:47:52	japhir	hi, from the wiki page on bluetooth encodings, I learned that aptX and LDAC are the best options. In another article I read that adaptive aptX is even better than aptX. My pavucontrol shows me both aptX and aptX HD. Am I correct in assuming that the HD one will give better audio quality (but potentially more battery drain)?
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2024-04-03 22:48:26	dmr104	NetSysFire: cheers
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2024-04-03 23:00:30	dmr104	my first time ever using pacman.  before doing an -Syu i will do a pacman -Qu to see what need updating.
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2024-04-03 23:01:28	mpan	dmr104: hello. That will not work, as your sync database isn’t updated. And if it is, you should update the entire system.
2024-04-03 23:01:32	dmr104	i should do a -Sy first
2024-04-03 23:01:35	mpan	dmr104: instead, see pacman-contrib and the `checkupdates` command.
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2024-04-03 23:02:20	Namarrgon	be careful with -Sy on arch, it could easily lead to partially updated systems
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2024-04-03 23:03:47	dmr104	so should i do an -Syu first and then install pacman-contrib?
2024-04-03 23:04:46	mpan	dmr104: `pacman -S pacman-contrib` should suffice, unless the system is greatly outdated.
2024-04-03 23:05:00	mpan	And then running `checkupdates` will show available packages without updating the sync database.
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2024-04-03 23:06:16	dmr104	i am cool to update the entire system first.  i worry about installing some newer package which may break dependencies, 
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2024-04-03 23:07:24	mpan	It will not. -S only installs packages in version that are in your current sync database. This is exactly why `-Sy` alone (without `-Syu`) is not adviced, as it breaks this mechanism and may lead to a partial update.
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2024-04-03 23:08:17	mpan	The worst, that could happen, is the file no longer being on the mirror. But that file is there since middle of March.
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2024-04-03 23:18:06	dmr104	that sounds quite clever.  alas i think the file is gone.  fakeroot failed to download.  404 error on each mirror
2024-04-03 23:18:23	mpan	Oh, then update first.
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2024-04-03 23:19:00	mpan	And if that is so old… there is really no reason to see what’s to be updated. :P
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2024-04-03 23:19:16	dmr104	true
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2024-04-03 23:25:09	mykeylynx	When installing a AUR package with pacman how can i get the program to show up in gnome apps menu? also having issues here I cant find the gnome control panel. 
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2024-04-03 23:27:24	Namarrgon	the package needs to install a .desktop file
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2024-04-03 23:27:57	Namarrgon	assuming it installed to the correct path it should show up without any action necessary on your part
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2024-04-03 23:35:57	mykeylynx	Thank you. 
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2024-04-03 23:39:28	Namarrgon	does the package ship a desktop entry?
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2024-04-03 23:47:29	bret	Any plans to revert xz all the way back to prior to any of Jia Tan's contibs in arch? https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/reflections_on_distrusting_xz/ Makes a good argument for that
2024-04-03 23:47:31	phrik	Title: reflections on distrusting xz (at joeyh.name)
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2024-04-03 23:52:42	Earnestly	bret: A more likely case is to continue using xz after it has been cleaned upstream
2024-04-03 23:54:26	ZLima12	Yeah, if you forked it at a commit before Jia ever touched it, and then only backport the most carefully scrutinized fixes, that should be okay too
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2024-04-03 23:55:39	ZLima12	But I'm sure people will compare any new upstream versions to the old versions
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2024-04-04 00:00:27	mykeylynx	If I want to just use the command like to open a program from say /var/lib/pacman/local/ just add it to PATH?
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2024-04-04 00:00:46	ZLima12	bret: Not sure if you caught it, but the author of that article created a fork that does what I described
2024-04-04 00:01:09	Earnestly	mykeylynx: You can specify the full path as well
2024-04-04 00:01:27	ZLima12	mykeylynx: I wouldn't add it to your PATH, I would just type out the full path of the executable, e.g.: /var/lib/pacman/local/your_program_name
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2024-04-04 00:02:51	Scimmia	there should never be any executable in /var/lib/pacman/local
2024-04-04 00:03:01	ZLima12	That as well
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2024-04-04 00:06:41	mykeylynx	cool, having an issue gnome it doenst want to launch control panel, change the desktop background or removce old programs from app. I tried to update but no change. any clue. Thank you
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2024-04-04 00:11:16	MortimerHoughton	have you looked through your systemd journal for relevant error messages?
2024-04-04 00:11:42	edu4rdshl	mykeylynx, looks like something unrelated to Gnome, it's working fine here
2024-04-04 00:11:46	edu4rdshl	Maybe some extension?
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2024-04-04 00:15:39	Namarrgon	was this system installed before the 46 update?
2024-04-04 00:17:05	MortimerHoughton	!0x0
2024-04-04 00:17:06	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-04-04 00:17:19	MortimerHoughton	if you want to post any relevant logs
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2024-04-04 05:54:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-04 05:54:45	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1428 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1427 regular)
2024-04-04 00:23:14	rawhide	what package installs arch-chroot?
2024-04-04 00:24:06	Namarrgon	!give rawhide pacman-file
2024-04-04 00:24:07	phrik	rawhide: Find out what package owns a file, even if the package isn't installed. pacman -Fy <file> (similar to !pkgfile)
2024-04-04 00:28:15	MortimerHoughton	rawhide: arch-install-scripts - https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/arch-install-scripts/
2024-04-04 00:28:16	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - arch-install-scripts 28-1 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-04 00:30:43	mykeylynx	when trying to update gnome http://pastebin.com/P5v2uHkQ
2024-04-04 00:30:44	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/Xz5c.txt
2024-04-04 00:30:44	phrik	Title: [myk@archlinux ~]$ sudo pacman -S gnome:: There are 57 members in group gnome: - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-04-04 00:31:03	MortimerHoughton	!paste
2024-04-04 00:31:04	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-04 00:31:25	Namarrgon	let pacman replace the -git package
2024-04-04 00:32:34	mykeylynx	it ask to remove , I say yes but whenI try again its asking again. I rebooted but same ask.
2024-04-04 00:32:50	Namarrgon	what is the output when you allow it to replace the git package?
2024-04-04 00:35:52	mykeylynx	its in pastebin
2024-04-04 00:36:44	Namarrgon	did you answer with "y" at that prompt?
2024-04-04 00:38:21	mykeylynx	yes 
2024-04-04 00:38:51	Namarrgon	install gnome-software, allow pacman to replace the -git package and post the output if that fails
2024-04-04 00:39:27	mykeylynx	ok I will try gnome-software instead of gnome
2024-04-04 00:41:27	mykeylynx	nope same issue
2024-04-04 00:41:49	MortimerHoughton	also, it's generally desired to not use pastebin, try 0x0.st or paste.rs
2024-04-04 00:42:13	mykeylynx	got it sorry bin out of the loop get it bin lol
2024-04-04 00:43:29	edu4rdshl	I do not see that you reply "y" in the paste
2024-04-04 00:43:41	mykeylynx	I promise
2024-04-04 00:44:12	edu4rdshl	The paste says otherwise
2024-04-04 00:44:43	edu4rdshl	Post the output of `pacman -S gnome-software` and then you replying "y"
2024-04-04 00:45:32	mykeylynx	I wouldn't believe me either. will do thank you
2024-04-04 00:51:04	_steps	hi, everyone! I was thinking about posting on Newbie Corner to get help about a problem I'm having, but I realized I'm too newbie to know which kind of information would help in the debugging process and how gather it
2024-04-04 00:51:50	_steps	my Arch install, about 2 months old, was working fine until last friday, the next day it start presenting two main problems
2024-04-04 00:51:51	MortimerHoughton	there is a stickied post in the newbie corner with some general advice for what information to post
2024-04-04 00:52:39	_steps	oh ok, will take a look 
2024-04-04 00:52:54	mykeylynx	https://gist.github.com/mykeylynx/7e8a4d214e5bcce9e7fe4ae2ede8bfe4
2024-04-04 00:53:25	Namarrgon	mykeylynx: replace all the -git packages with official packages
2024-04-04 00:53:26	gromit	_steps: but we can also help you a bit in the process :) 
2024-04-04 00:54:33	_steps	gromit: thanks 
2024-04-04 00:55:15	MortimerHoughton	'gnome-software-git' required by gnome-software-packagekit-plugin-git
2024-04-04 00:55:23	MortimerHoughton	Yeah, you need to replace that last package
2024-04-04 00:55:45	_steps	about the two problems I mentioned, in short:
2024-04-04 00:55:51	_steps	1 - it wont sleep nor shutdown/restart anymore, after completing the shutdown process it hangs on in a line like "shutdown[1]: Rebooting."
2024-04-04 00:55:57	_steps	2 - devices like a yubikey for example, only work if plugged in since system boot and if reconected wont work anymore too
2024-04-04 00:56:25	Namarrgon	have you tested with the linux-lts kernel?
2024-04-04 00:56:45	_steps	right now the only thing I suspect is systemd-udevd
2024-04-04 00:56:49	MortimerHoughton	_steps: if usb ports stop working you might have an overly aggressive power management setting?
2024-04-04 00:57:00	xgpt	hey y'all, I've found two card-dav server options via the arch wiki, but I'm curious if anyone has any recommendations for anything even lighterweight (like bare webdav? not sure if that's possible, not sure how the protocol works) and I'm interested in just syncing my business contacts.
2024-04-04 00:57:34	xgpt	I'm using a wimpy wimpy wimpy old NUC for my self-hosting needs for this sort of thing, so anything I can do to reduce overhead would be appreciated
2024-04-04 00:58:10	_steps	Namarrgon: haven't thought about that, will try 
2024-04-04 00:58:32	Namarrgon	do you have a intel wifi chipset in that system
2024-04-04 00:59:10	_steps	MortimerHoughto: probably not, even plugged in and with balanced power profile (using KDE to manage this)
2024-04-04 00:59:36	_steps	Namarrgon: yes I do
2024-04-04 01:00:04	Namarrgon	there are some issues with it in the 6.8 kernel
2024-04-04 01:00:44	_steps	I'll try installing the LTS kernel and then give the followup here 
2024-04-04 01:00:45	Namarrgon	try the lts and perhaps the last 6.9RC if you feel adventurous
2024-04-04 01:02:54	_steps	also make sense since I haven't installed new packages nor edited any configuration before it started the strange behaviors, the only thing I did was the periodical -Syu 
2024-04-04 01:03:23	cake37	_steps: my system hangs on shutdown/restart as well with 6.8.2
2024-04-04 01:03:33	_steps	thank you so much for the guidance, I'll probably be back later 
2024-04-04 01:08:09	cake37	Just noticed a weird thing
2024-04-04 01:08:30	cake37	6.8.3 is now available in core-testing https://archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&q=linux&maintainer=&flagged=
2024-04-04 01:08:34	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-04 01:09:07	cake37	but pacman only shows the 6.8.2 version (now flagged as out of date) in core even though I have core-testing enabled in pacman.conf
2024-04-04 01:09:36	dmr104	i am trying to set up wpa_supplicant with networkd.  My wlan0 has no carrier.  
2024-04-04 01:09:40	gromit	yeah 6.8.3 might fix quite some of these problems https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/linux/-/issues/40#note_176573
2024-04-04 01:09:41	phrik	Title: Intel AX200 Bluetooth does not work with 6.8.2 and util-linux 2.40 (#40) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / linux · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-04 01:10:14	dmr104	networkctl list says that wlan0 is in the process of configuring
2024-04-04 01:10:29	cake37	gromit: yep I've been waiting for it since i'm experiencing some of those issues. Just not sure why pacman is not picking it up from core-testing
2024-04-04 01:10:53	gromit	cake37: maybe your mirror is not up to date?
2024-04-04 01:11:08	gromit	cake37: also you could have wrongly setup the testing repos
2024-04-04 01:11:49	cake37	Yeah probably the former. Just realized the package was update 59 minutes ago
2024-04-04 01:12:25	cake37	but i want it now :(
2024-04-04 01:18:45	dmr104	WPA: Failed to set PTK to the driver
2024-04-04 01:22:08	dmr104	okay to connect without WPA so driver is fine
2024-04-04 01:24:14	mykeylynx	Namarrgon: Thank you, I removed the plugin and ran pacman again and finally after a reboot all good
2024-04-04 01:25:21	Namarrgon	mykeylynx: do you still have any other unofficial packages installed?
2024-04-04 01:25:32	mykeylynx	how to tell?
2024-04-04 01:25:38	Namarrgon	-Qm
2024-04-04 01:28:04	topcat001	I blacklisted btusb and bluetooth for the moment so I can update. I don't use BT, but I would like to have it functional. Will unblock after things get fixed.
2024-04-04 01:28:57	mykeylynx	some fun packages and mess https://gist.github.com/mykeylynx/60bff7684745db659edc44e03655d40d
2024-04-04 01:29:53	Namarrgon	remove what you don't need
2024-04-04 01:31:48	aljustiet	How can I change the kdeconnect theme?
2024-04-04 01:32:23	topcat001	I also had some issues with ath10k and QCA6174 wifi on 6.8.1; still investigating.
2024-04-04 01:33:30	topcat001	I also saw some reports about issues with zram with 6.8.2; wonder how widespread that is.
2024-04-04 01:50:54	CarloWood	Ugh - I set up a wifi AP on my PC the other day - but then I rebooted and now I can't remember anymore how I did it (how to restart it)... I so hate my memory/age :(
2024-04-04 01:51:30	_steps	I'm back, and unfortunately using the LTS kernel didn't solved it 
2024-04-04 01:53:38	CarloWood	Hmm, ls -ltr /etc  tell me I used dnsmasq and create_ap ... although, now I remember that after using create_ap initially I then redid it directly... what commands does create_ap use to set up an AP?
2024-04-04 04:15:51	greentail	Hi. From the AUR, I've installed logisim-evolution, and every time it launches, it crashes i3wm, and sends me to the TTY, so I have to start i3wm again. 
2024-04-04 04:16:13	greentail	I tried logisim-evolution-bin , from the AUR, and the same thing happens. It makes i3wm or Xorg crash  
2024-04-04 04:16:18	greentail	what should I do?  
2024-04-04 04:17:04	ponies	does i3 log anything? and is there anything in the journal? would be great to see an error msg
2024-04-04 04:17:22	greentail	ponies: how can I read the i3 log? Where is that file located at? 
2024-04-04 04:17:59	ponies	it doesn't log by default. you have to tell it to log by redirecting stderr 
2024-04-04 04:24:34	greentail	ponies: I've never enabled i3wm logs, but i3-dump-log gives me lots of lines. Doesn't that mean that logging is already enabled?
2024-04-04 04:26:02	ponies	Debug versions of i3 automatically use 1% of your RAM (but 25 MiB max) to store full debug log output. This is extremely helpful for bugreports and figuring out what is going on, without permanently logging to a file.
2024-04-04 04:26:20	ponies	i quoted that from the manual. may as well post it 
2024-04-04 04:28:34	greentail	i'll be back in after generating a new log
2024-04-04 04:43:02	greentail	ponies: Hi. I added the shm line to my xinit file. However, i3wm still logs only my current i3wm session, so I don't know how to read the log of my previous i3wm session, which is the one that crashed 
2024-04-04 04:43:48	edu4rdshl	Why not just check the journal
2024-04-04 04:45:04	greentail	edu4rdshl: you mean journalctl --b -1 ; or you mean sth else?  
2024-04-04 04:45:17	edu4rdshl	journalctl -r
2024-04-04 04:45:19	edu4rdshl	Yews
2024-04-04 04:45:21	edu4rdshl	Yes*
2024-04-04 04:46:39	mykeylynx	I have a vfat sata drive connected internally to the Arch machine and I have been trying to get root. After all the the searching, it seems to be something to do with FAT  mount //mnt/sda on /dev/sda . I tried dealing with chown and uid but still over rsync from an osx machine bit it puts the files but not the meta data. I don't have full access as root. anyone know what gives? 
2024-04-04 04:47:02	greentail	edu4rdshl: how can I 0x0 the last lines? I guess you don't need the whole journal? 
2024-04-04 04:47:26	edu4rdshl	greentail, journalctl -r -n 100
2024-04-04 04:49:44	greentail	edu4rdshl: https://0x0.st/Xz7q.txt
2024-04-04 04:51:06	ponies	xorg coredump
2024-04-04 04:51:34	greentail	ponies: what do you mean? Is that a command I should run?
2024-04-04 04:51:50	ponies	no im reading the logs
2024-04-04 04:52:46	ponies	greentail: do you mesa installed? 
2024-04-04 04:52:53	edu4rdshl	Xorg is what's crashing, not i3 itself
2024-04-04 04:53:10	greentail	ponies: do I mesa installed? do you mean to ask if I have mesa installed? let me check
2024-04-04 04:53:42	greentail	ponies: 1:24.0.4-2 ; that's my version of mesa installed  
2024-04-04 04:54:06	edu4rdshl	I just installed it - from flatpak - and seems to work just fine
2024-04-04 04:54:31	greentail	edu4rdshl: you mean logisim-evolution? I installed it from the AUR, using paru.   
2024-04-04 04:55:08	edu4rdshl	Yeah, that
2024-04-04 04:55:46	rcf	greentail: anything in coredumpctl? i3 is dumb in that it will never log to a file. 
2024-04-04 04:55:53	rcf	So crashes are difficult to figure out. 
2024-04-04 04:56:00	edu4rdshl	Installed it from AUR and works fine too
2024-04-04 04:56:02	greentail	edu4rdshl: if you could install it and run it with no problems, does that mean it's a problem of my computer?  
2024-04-04 04:56:26	greentail	rcf: how do I see coredumpctl? What command should I run? 
2024-04-04 04:56:28	edu4rdshl	greentail, likely. As I said, I installed it from both AUR and flatpak and worked without problems
2024-04-04 04:56:40	rcf	greentail: literally that command. 
2024-04-04 04:59:30	greentail	rcf: https://0x0.st/Xz7a.txt
2024-04-04 05:01:31	rcf	greentail: coredumpctl debug 26925
2024-04-04 05:01:40	rcf	When in gdb, if it asks you about debuginfod, say yes. 
2024-04-04 05:01:51	rcf	Then post the output of `bt` within. 
2024-04-04 05:02:21	greentail	rcf: should I use sudo with your command? 
2024-04-04 05:02:27	rcf	No need. 
2024-04-04 05:03:51	greentail	rcf: https://0x0.st/Xz7M.txt
2024-04-04 05:07:46	rcf	greentail: it seems you don't have gdb... regardless, you might have more luck checking Xorg log for a usable backtrace. They're under ~/.local/share/xorg -- find the one that has (EE) Backtrace at the end. 
2024-04-04 05:08:09	greentail	rcf: https://0x0.st/Xz7Q.txt
2024-04-04 05:08:16	greentail	I installed gdb some seconds ago  
2024-04-04 05:09:51	rcf	Unfortunately that's still not fetching symbols. 
2024-04-04 05:09:56	greentail	rcf: I don't see any file whose name ends in 'EE backtrace'
2024-04-04 05:10:11	rcf	greentail: I mean the contents. Probably the .old file if it was last session that crashed. 
2024-04-04 05:10:48	greentail	rcf: found it. I'll make a paste
2024-04-04 05:11:05	rcf	It's Xorg, not i3, that's failing here. 
2024-04-04 05:13:20	greentail	rcf: https://0x0.st/Xz7_.txt
2024-04-04 05:41:09	greentail	edu4rdshl: anything interesting?  
2024-04-04 05:44:27	rcf	greentail: the joys of memory corruption bugs.... 
2024-04-04 05:45:07	greentail	rcf: is this related to the xz fiasco? is my compuiter a victim of a backdoor?  
2024-04-04 05:45:47	rcf	I doubt that. 
2024-04-04 05:46:30	greentail	rcf: is it a memory corruption bug caused by the Xorg package? 
2024-04-04 05:47:00	rcf	Or a library. Or a graphics driver itself, which might explain why edu4rdshl is not affected but you are. 
2024-04-04 05:47:18	greentail	rcf: so what's the next step?  
2024-04-04 05:47:36	edu4rdshl	greentail, pacman -Qkk xorg-server
2024-04-04 05:48:30	Dworin	 his Xorg log had an error on loading intel driver
2024-04-04 05:48:42	rcf	Dworin: that's normal 
2024-04-04 05:48:52	Dworin	ah, ok.
2024-04-04 05:49:06	rcf	It tries a bunch of stuff before getting to modesetting, which does work and initializes the outputs
2024-04-04 05:49:44	greentail	edu4rdshl: https://0x0.st/Xz7U.txt
2024-04-04 05:49:50	rcf	edu4rdshl: out of curiosity, which GPU/driver are you using? 
2024-04-04 05:49:57	edu4rdshl	Nvidia
2024-04-04 05:50:03	rcf	That would do it. 
2024-04-04 05:50:23	edu4rdshl	I would try a system restart}
2024-04-04 05:50:27	edu4rdshl	Just in case
2024-04-04 05:51:22	greentail	rcf: By the way, last week I had a segmentation fault while using zathura. In what ways could that be related? 
2024-04-04 05:51:30	greentail	And, how can I debug that segfault from zathura?  
2024-04-04 05:51:41	bluetail	edu4rdshl you on i3?
2024-04-04 05:51:48	edu4rdshl	No at all :p
2024-04-04 05:51:53	edu4rdshl	Not even on Xorg
2024-04-04 05:52:04	bluetail	wait, I was thinking u had a xorg issue with nvidia
2024-04-04 05:52:05	edu4rdshl	But if it were a problem with the package... well
2024-04-04 05:52:16	edu4rdshl	bluetail, I don't have any 
2024-04-04 05:52:19	edu4rdshl	It's greentail 
2024-04-04 05:52:22	bluetail	me neither
2024-04-04 05:52:25	bluetail	hi greentail
2024-04-04 05:52:30	greentail	hi bluetail 
2024-04-04 05:52:42	bluetail	do u have xdotool installed
2024-04-04 05:52:51	bluetail	it makes coredumps 24/7
2024-04-04 05:52:55	rcf	greentail: coredumpctl should list zathura somewhere, try the same procedure. 
2024-04-04 05:52:59	bluetail	and interacts with everything
2024-04-04 05:53:03	greentail	bluetail: yes, I do have xdotool
2024-04-04 05:53:11	bluetail	Maybe try removing it :D
2024-04-04 05:53:15	bluetail	wmctrl is a good replacement
2024-04-04 05:53:33	rcf	bluetail: I only asked edu4rdshl because their using nvidia eliminates a possible common code path and explains why it works fine for them. 
2024-04-04 05:53:40	bluetail	ah ic
2024-04-04 05:53:52	bluetail	did u try using LTS
2024-04-04 05:54:00	bluetail	I need to use LTS cause of my PCIe devices
2024-04-04 05:54:04	greentail	bluetail: I always use LTS kernel 
2024-04-04 05:54:08	bluetail	ah k
2024-04-04 05:54:45	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-04 05:55:38	greentail	should I replace xdotool with wmctrl? If yes, should I do that after restarting my system (as suggested by edu4rdshl)? Or after? 
2024-04-04 05:56:30	rcf	I don't think that has any effect here. 
2024-04-04 05:57:07	bluetail	we probably need more data
2024-04-04 05:57:09	greentail	rcf: coredumpctl doesn't list zathura anywhere, it doesn't have any log for any program for last week. All the coredumpctl entries of the last 12 months are from the Xorg errors from the last 3 hours.   
2024-04-04 05:57:30	rcf	greentail: well, when it breaks again you'll be prepared. 
2024-04-04 05:57:31	bluetail	greentail cat /proc/cmdline
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2024-04-04 05:57:49	bluetail	you on AMD?
2024-04-04 05:58:28	bluetail	if yes u can try spec_rstack_overflow=off 
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2024-04-04 05:59:11	greentail	bluetail: https://0x0.st/Xz7G.txt
2024-04-04 05:59:25	greentail	bluetail: am not on AMD
2024-04-04 05:59:27	bluetail	yea that looks fine
2024-04-04 05:59:44	Dworin	q
2024-04-04 06:00:10	bluetail	greentail zathura makes issues if you add it to autostart with a path
2024-04-04 06:00:25	bluetail	it has something to do with it not having available $DISPLAY or whatever
2024-04-04 06:00:41	greentail	rcf: what should I do next?  
2024-04-04 06:00:56	bluetail	e.g running zathura /yourpath/yourfile.pdf could give you continuously errors
2024-04-04 06:01:16	bluetail	but if you run the same from the console (by hand) its fine
2024-04-04 06:02:17	greentail	bluetail: I don't know how to use autostart, so I have never used it 
2024-04-04 06:02:27	bluetail	ah k
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2024-04-04 06:02:58	bluetail	basically all in ~/.config/autostart 
2024-04-04 06:03:09	bluetail	and /etc/xdg/autostart
2024-04-04 06:03:12	rcf	greentail: let me try to reproduce on modesetting 
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2024-04-04 06:03:51	greentail	rcf: thank you
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2024-04-04 06:06:26	greentail	rcf: in my backtrace, which line let you know that it's a memory corruption bug?  
2024-04-04 06:07:16	edu4rdshl	#6  FatalError (f=<optimized out>) at ../xorg-server/os/log.c:1017
2024-04-04 06:07:18	edu4rdshl	        args = {{gp_offset = 24, fp_offset = 48, overflow_arg_area = 0x7ffe20dba720, reg_save_area = 0x7ffe20dba650}}
2024-04-04 06:07:20	edu4rdshl	        args2 = {{gp_offset = 8, fp_offset = 48, overflow_arg_area = 0x7ffe20dba720, reg_save_area = 0x7ffe20dba650}}
2024-04-04 06:07:22	edu4rdshl	        beenhere = 1
2024-04-04 06:07:44	rcf	greentail: #15 0x00007092225152a7 in malloc_printerr (str=str@entry=0x70922261e988 "malloc(): unaligned tcache chunk detected") at malloc.c:5772
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2024-04-04 06:08:27	rcf	The surrounding context as well -- malloc only aborts for very specific reasons -- but that indicates why. 
2024-04-04 06:09:06	greentail	edu4rdshl: thanks
2024-04-04 06:09:18	greentail	rcf: thank you. Is that malloc from C? Or from C++ ?  
2024-04-04 06:09:23	rcf	C. 
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2024-04-04 06:10:27	rcf	Unfortunately it's annoying, because that corruption can happen at any point. 
2024-04-04 06:10:37	rcf	Whereas a segfault usually tells you immediately about a specific bad pointer. 
2024-04-04 06:12:06	rcf	Unfortunately the flatpak works 
2024-04-04 06:12:09	⚡ 	rcf tries the AUR.
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2024-04-04 06:17:12	⚡ 	rcf waits for java build.
2024-04-04 06:17:34	virtualsid	see you tomorrow, rcf
2024-04-04 06:18:30	greentail	rcf: I first noticed the bug with logisim-evolution-bin ; which I guess doesn't require the java building
2024-04-04 06:18:59	rcf	And it works just fine. 
2024-04-04 06:19:36	greentail	rcf: what's it mean?  
2024-04-04 06:19:48	greentail	i mean, what should I do next?  
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2024-04-04 06:20:32	rcf	Which GPU is this exactly? 
2024-04-04 06:21:00	greentail	rcf: how can I check what GPU is it using the terminal? (without neofetch)
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2024-04-04 06:22:27	edu4rdshl	Uh
2024-04-04 06:22:37	edu4rdshl	You don't know which hardware your computer have?
2024-04-04 06:22:46	rcf	edu4rdshl: it's integrated, I know that. 
2024-04-04 06:23:02	edu4rdshl	Ah
2024-04-04 06:23:07	rcf	Based on the JSL in the xorg log I'm going to say the DDX would be a really bad idea. 
2024-04-04 06:23:50	rcf	greentail: lspci | grep VGA
2024-04-04 06:23:52	rcf	Just to be sure 
2024-04-04 06:24:55	greentail	rcf: https://0x0.st/Xzhr.txt 
2024-04-04 06:25:11	greentail	rcf: how did you know it's integrated?  
2024-04-04 06:25:36	rcf	I saw it as Intel in the xorg log
2024-04-04 06:25:52	rcf	So it's probably integrated, because you'd know pretty well if you actually bought an ARC or whatever 
2024-04-04 06:26:21	edu4rdshl	greentail, do you have xf86-video-intel installed by chance?
2024-04-04 06:26:30	rcf	edu4rdshl: they're just at the cutoff where they can't use that. 
2024-04-04 06:26:36	rcf	Jasper Lake is 11th gen 
2024-04-04 06:27:06	greentail	edu4rdshl: I don't have xf86-video-intel installed 
2024-04-04 06:27:12	edu4rdshl	Well, that thing only causes problems here and there, not sure if it will continue causing issues to unsupported GPUs
2024-04-04 06:27:20	edu4rdshl	greentail, no idea then
2024-04-04 06:27:35	edu4rdshl	The only sure thing is: it's a problem with your system
2024-04-04 06:27:44	edu4rdshl	The app works fine
2024-04-04 06:28:04	greentail	edu4rdshl: how can you tell it's a problem with my system? 
2024-04-04 06:28:05	rcf	Well, for some definitions of 'fine'. It doesn't like xwayland, so it's on my shit list, certainly 
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2024-04-04 06:28:39	rcf	greentail: because there's clearly a problem with Xorg but we can't reproduce it on our hardware. 
2024-04-04 06:28:39	edu4rdshl	greentail, because it works everywhere but not on your system?
2024-04-04 06:28:55	greentail	rcf: I'm not using xwayland
2024-04-04 06:29:08	edu4rdshl	I checked the bug tracker on both upstream and Arch and there's nothing related reported
2024-04-04 06:29:16	rcf	greentail: I mean in general. I don't like it. You're fine if you're X. 
2024-04-04 06:29:40	rcf	greentail: I'll go for a long shot before trying to teach you how to use valgrind with X... mesa-amber. 
2024-04-04 06:29:53	greentail	rcf: what do you mean by DDX and JSl being a bad idea?  
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2024-04-04 06:30:29	edu4rdshl	rcf, it worked fine on Xwayland here 
2024-04-04 06:30:35	greentail	rcf: what about mesa-amber? you mean I should install that package?
2024-04-04 06:30:40	rcf	edu4rdshl: I've got a bone to pick with sway then 
2024-04-04 06:30:46	rcf	Or maybe my version of Java. 
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2024-04-04 06:31:08	edu4rdshl	Maybe the reappearing thing from java apps. I'm on Gnome
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2024-04-04 06:31:47	greentail	rcf: pacman says: mesa-amber and mesa are in conflict. I quit because i dont know what to do
2024-04-04 06:32:06	greentail	I mean, I exited pacman
2024-04-04 06:32:11	rcf	greentail: DDX means the device-dependent X driver, i.e. xf86-video-intel. But it stopped offering acceleration starting with gen11, which is what you happen to have (JSL = Jasper Lake). 
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2024-04-04 06:32:57	rcf	greentail: try replacing mesa with mesa-amber. I'm not optimistic, but I am curious. 
2024-04-04 06:33:13	greentail	rcf: in prgoress
2024-04-04 06:33:19	greentail	rcf: done
2024-04-04 06:33:23	greentail	rcf: what next
2024-04-04 06:33:52	rcf	Restart your X server. If it doesn't start, go back to mesa. If it does, try logisim-evolution. 
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2024-04-04 06:34:15	greentail	rcf: how do I restart my Xserver?
2024-04-04 06:34:23	rcf	Quit i3 and go back to tty. 
2024-04-04 06:34:41	rcf	Then start it again. 
2024-04-04 06:34:43	arch-angel	I have a bit of a predicament, I tried using a powerbank to charge my laptop now it stops responding to any sort of power
2024-04-04 06:35:00	arch-angel	my computer is at 19%
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2024-04-04 06:35:24	rcf	arch-angel: even with a hard reset? i.e. hold down the power button to make sure it really dies
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2024-04-04 06:35:43	arch-angel	yeah
2024-04-04 06:35:53	arch-angel	actually I tried plugging in USB-C devices
2024-04-04 06:35:57	arch-angel	nothing is recognised
2024-04-04 06:36:03	bluetail	arch-angel try the massage pulse technique
2024-04-04 06:36:06	arch-angel	my USB-C ports are essentially dead
2024-04-04 06:36:25	rcf	arch-angel: post the journal 
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2024-04-04 06:36:39	bluetail	first hold power for 30s, then for 6 times 10 seconds with 3 seconds pause 
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2024-04-04 06:36:41	arch-angel	what command to run?
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2024-04-04 06:36:52	arch-angel	ok I will try and hold power thing first
2024-04-04 06:36:53	arch-angel	gimme a sec
2024-04-04 06:37:07	rcf	arch-angel: journalctl -b 
2024-04-04 06:37:08	rcf	And then
2024-04-04 06:37:08	greentail	rcf: whoa
2024-04-04 06:37:17	rcf	!paste
2024-04-04 06:37:18	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-04 06:37:20	greentail	rcf: it works! 
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2024-04-04 06:37:51	rcf	greentail: so it is indeed a driver issue. Or at least closely related to it. 
2024-04-04 06:38:43	virtualsid	rcf++
2024-04-04 06:38:46	greentail	rcf: so mesa-amber is just a workaround? Or is it the solution?  
2024-04-04 06:39:01	rcf	I mean it's not ideal, it's the legacy driver
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2024-04-04 06:40:10	arch-angel	the massage pulse worked
2024-04-04 06:40:22	arch-angel	thanks a lot
2024-04-04 06:40:32	rcf	Excellent 
2024-04-04 06:40:36	arch-angel	i would've had a heart attack if my computer died cause I have classes later
2024-04-04 06:40:45	arch-angel	thank you so much
2024-04-04 06:40:49	rcf	I strongly advise not using that powerbank in the future 
2024-04-04 06:40:53	rcf	But I think you realize that 
2024-04-04 06:40:55	greentail	rcf doing god's work 
2024-04-04 06:41:07	virtualsid	really is today!
2024-04-04 06:41:15	greentail	arch-angel: I missed your messages. What's a massage pulse? 
2024-04-04 06:41:16	rcf	That was bluetail's idea dammit 
2024-04-04 06:41:23	virtualsid	ooooops.
2024-04-04 06:41:25	arch-angel	yeahhh that powerbank probably is faulty
2024-04-04 06:41:29	virtualsid	bluetail++
2024-04-04 06:42:04	rcf	greentail: the fullest of hard resets. 
2024-04-04 06:43:03	greentail	rcf: so mesa-amber is for old hardware, but my hardware is not old, or is it? 
2024-04-04 06:43:37	virtualsid	I've never heard of the massage pulse before either...
2024-04-04 06:43:44	greentail	arch-angel: what exactly did you do to solve the problem? I googled "massage pulse" but found nothing relevant 
2024-04-04 06:44:04	rcf	I've never heard it called that, but that's what you do for a proper hard reset if all else has failed. 
2024-04-04 06:44:07	arch-angel	yeah so basically it was to quote "first hold power for 30s, then for 6 times 10 seconds with 3 seconds pause"
2024-04-04 06:44:18	arch-angel	and my usb-c ports came back to life
2024-04-04 06:44:38	arch-angel	neither do I know what kind of black magic that was
2024-04-04 06:44:44	virtualsid	That's the thing I've never heard of. I can see that being a thing for mobile phones, etc. But a laptop too?
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2024-04-04 06:45:29	arch-angel	at my end what I saw was my pc getting forced shutdown over and over again until my charging indicator lit up
2024-04-04 06:45:36	rcf	virtualsid: all modern devices have soft power buttons. Getting them to listen requires that sort of extended press. 
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2024-04-04 06:46:26	virtualsid	sure - but it's the repeated 6 times, 10 seconds with 3 seconds pause that I've never heard of. I can get behind 'hold for 10 seconds' and even 'hold for 30 seconds'. I'm intrigued by the repeatedness. I am not discounting it - just saying I've never heard of it. One to remember!
2024-04-04 06:47:05	rcf	I don't even know if the 6 times did anything. But it worked. 
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2024-04-04 06:48:14	rcf	greentail: mesa-amber is indeed the old driver. It stops at 11, so you met that cutoff barely. 
2024-04-04 06:49:19	greentail	rcf: so it's a memory-corruption bug from mesa?
2024-04-04 06:49:49	rcf	It could be mesa. It could be something triggered incidentally by mesa that isn't a fault with mesa itself. 
2024-04-04 06:50:14	greentail	rcf: thanks. Is it worthy of a bug report? Did you already file it? 
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2024-04-04 06:51:55	greentail	rcf: how did you learn to read backtraces? 
2024-04-04 06:51:58	edu4rdshl	greentail, you're the one with the problems
2024-04-04 06:52:02	edu4rdshl	File the bug
2024-04-04 06:52:09	edu4rdshl	Search how to investigate backtraces
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2024-04-04 06:52:17	edu4rdshl	Stop asking everything and research
2024-04-04 06:52:31	edu4rdshl	Kind help vampire tbh
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2024-04-04 06:54:01	rcf	greentail: not an Arch report. Nor likely a logisim-evolution report, though you could try. You might ask the mesa people for help. I'd go for Xorg, though it doesn't get much love nowadays 
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2024-04-04 06:54:51	greentail	rcf: thank you so, so much for all the help! I was worried I wouldn't be able to run that logisim software  
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2024-04-04 06:55:57	greentail	mesa doesn't get much love nowadays? in what way? is it going to be replaced by another package?  
2024-04-04 06:56:02	rcf	Mesa is fine. 
2024-04-04 06:56:07	rcf	Xorg is on its way out. 
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2024-04-04 06:56:36	mefistofeles	20 years later... "Xorg is on its way out" 
2024-04-04 06:56:44	greentail	rcf: what do the cool kids use nowadays instead of Xorg? 
2024-04-04 06:56:46	rcf	mefistofeles: in terms of response to bug reports? Absolutely 
2024-04-04 06:56:52	mefistofeles	rcf: fair :P 
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2024-04-04 06:57:01	mefistofeles	xwayland is here to stay, though
2024-04-04 06:57:10	virtualsid	for now :P
2024-04-04 06:57:25	rcf	Xwayland will be around for the foreseeable future. 
2024-04-04 06:57:34	virtualsid	I really need to read up more about wayland.
2024-04-04 06:57:36	greentail	so I should switch to Xwayland? 
2024-04-04 06:57:55	mefistofeles	greentail: wayland would be one alternative
2024-04-04 06:57:57	rcf	greentail: you're on i3, so normally I'd suggest sway, but guess what program doesn't start on sway (for me at least)? 
2024-04-04 06:58:19	greentail	rcf: i3wm doesn't start in sway?
2024-04-04 06:58:34	virtualsid	sway /is/ i3 on wayland
2024-04-04 06:58:37	rcf	sway is a wayland compositor that seeks to be compatible with i3 as much as possible. 
2024-04-04 06:58:45	rcf	It replaces i3. And X. 
2024-04-04 06:59:24	greentail	rcf: so what program doesn't start on sway? logisim-evolution? 
2024-04-04 07:00:20	⚡ 	edu4rdshl smells a big https://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/ here
2024-04-04 07:00:21	phrik	Title: slash7 with Amy Hoy » Blog Archive » Help Vampires: A Spotter’s Guide (at slash7.com)
2024-04-04 07:01:10	rcf	Indeed. I get a gray square.
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2024-04-04 07:01:45	rcf	If you really need this software, just use mesa-amber for now. Ask Xorg people if you want to resolve the issue upstream. 
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2024-04-04 07:04:09	rcf	I'm not sure if this is their fault or mesa's fault specifically, but Xorg is the one that is dying here. 
2024-04-04 07:05:18	greentail	rcf: but logisim-evolution does run in Xwayland, right? I feel like I should switch to Xwayland, since Xorg is seen as uncool nowadays  
2024-04-04 07:06:15	mefistofeles	greentail: honestly, if it works, don't fix it
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2024-04-04 07:07:06	virtualsid	I'm on xorg, greentail, but I don't care about being cool :P I'll probably switch to wayland when things stop working for me.
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2024-04-04 07:07:13	mefistofeles	greentail: I've found wayland to be a bit smoother and snappier, but it comes with some glitches as well, it also depends a lot on the compositor you choose
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2024-04-04 07:07:43	rcf	greentail: it's uncool, but it's working. And with sway (the logical choice of wayland compositor for you) it doesn't work for me. I'm not going to recommend breaking it again just to be cool. 
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2024-04-04 07:08:02	mefistofeles	!give rcf cool
2024-04-04 07:08:03	phrik	rcf: he really might be ....
2024-04-04 07:08:10	mefistofeles	so gendered :/
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2024-04-04 07:08:54	rcf	!factinfo cool
2024-04-04 07:08:54	phrik	rcf: cool: Created by jelly12gen on 2009-07-30T17:59:27+0000. Last requested by mefistofeles!~mefistofe@user/mefistofeles on 2024-04-04T05:08:02+0000, requested 119 times.
2024-04-04 07:09:35	mefistofeles	from ancient times 
2024-04-04 07:09:48	greentail	rcf: but I can have both Xwayland and Xorg on my computer, or no? And then use Xwayland one day, and Xorg the next day. Or it's not that how it works?
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2024-04-04 07:10:24	virtualsid	actually, I'm interested in the answer to that question. I didn't even consider it :)
2024-04-04 07:11:31	rcf	greentail: Xwayland is X running under a wayland compositor. It's used for compatibility. You don't run it standalone. As a user, you choose between Xorg or Wayland (the compositor of your choice -- imagine if every window manager was also the display server, because that's what Wayland does) 
2024-04-04 07:12:22	greentail	also, what do you guys use as compositor for Xwayland? 
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2024-04-04 07:12:48	rcf	greentail: this would just be 'for wayland'. 
2024-04-04 07:13:44	⚡ 	mefistofeles uses plasma
2024-04-04 07:13:54	mefistofeles	I guess kwin being the compositor
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2024-04-04 07:20:52	greentail	mefistofeles: is Kwin only for people who use Plasma? Then i guess Kwiss is not minimalistic at all? 
2024-04-04 07:21:01	rcf	greentail: I obviously have sway and Xorg (using i3) on my system. They can coexist fine. But I'd leave it be for now. You can try sway, but it might break your program (it does for me). 
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2024-04-04 07:24:33	greentail	rcf: thank you again for all the help today. I'm gonna take off now
2024-04-04 07:24:43	greentail	edu4rdshl: thank you too
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2024-04-04 07:26:35	virtualsid	rcf: good to know. For some crazy reason, I thought I'd have to only have one at a time.
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2024-04-04 07:29:34	edu4rdshl	Has anyone here got microk8s working without snap?
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2024-04-04 07:30:18	edu4rdshl	That's the only reason I have snapd installed, and it's filling my journal with irrelevant things
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2024-04-04 07:40:00	thurstylark	I don't have an answer, but my immediate assumption is that it's going to be nearly impossible to extricate snaps from a Canonical product
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2024-04-04 07:40:06	thurstylark	!shurg
2024-04-04 07:40:07	phrik	乁║ ˙ 益 ˙ ║ㄏ
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2024-04-04 07:41:41	edu4rdshl	Yeah, I think so
2024-04-04 07:41:51	edu4rdshl	I should use k3s or minikube, maybe
2024-04-04 07:42:37	edu4rdshl	But well, I'm going to work with Ubuntu on Azure so I think it's a safe bet to go with microk8s
2024-04-04 07:42:47	edu4rdshl	To test on my Arch, I mean
2024-04-04 07:43:16	edu4rdshl	Or should I just setup an Ubuntu VM instead lol
2024-04-04 07:43:34	thurstylark	I mean, if you want snaps gone that bad
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2024-04-04 07:43:42	thurstylark	that's the route I would take
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2024-04-04 07:44:45	edu4rdshl	I only need microk8s, not a big problem to have it on my Arch, except it's trashing my journal
2024-04-04 07:44:52	edu4rdshl	Thanks anyways
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2024-04-04 07:46:07	thurstylark	maybe there's some config somewhere to tell snapd to chill on the logging?
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2024-04-04 07:46:17	thurstylark	really haven't touched snaps, though
2024-04-04 07:46:23	⚡ 	thurstylark continues to stab the dark
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2024-04-04 07:53:41	red_man	hi all
2024-04-04 07:53:49	thurstylark	!welcome
2024-04-04 07:53:50	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
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2024-04-04 07:57:22	thurstylark	!next
2024-04-04 07:57:23	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2024-04-04 08:10:55	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-04 08:10:55	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1429 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1428 regular)
2024-04-04 08:08:27	Codebecile	Heeey~ so, I want people's thoughts on this.
2024-04-04 08:09:28	Codebecile	See, typically when I eboot, I get... SystemDs sutdown sequence. And it ends with a green okay next to reached reboot target.
2024-04-04 08:09:32	Codebecile	Issue lately is it's been...
2024-04-04 08:09:38	Codebecile	Well, going on after that.
2024-04-04 08:09:52	Codebecile	Itunmounts the drives and then... Syas eveything is done, but... Doesn't actually shut down?
2024-04-04 08:10:19	Codebecile	It doesn't seem to be a big issue- And I'm headed to bed right afte rI send his, but if anyone else has any ideas, send them here and I'll read my backlog in the morning.
2024-04-04 08:10:25	Codebecile	Thanks in advance, guys~
2024-04-04 08:10:55	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-04 08:11:08	gehidore	Way to go thurstylark you killed em
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2024-04-04 09:17:29	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-04 09:45:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-04 09:22:59	grawity	mpan: you can go argue with gehidore about that
2024-04-04 09:26:03	gehidore	Sure. What are we arguing about?
2024-04-04 09:26:49	grawity	about whether paste.rs should be repasted elsewhere or not
2024-04-04 09:31:10	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-04 09:31:20	gehidore	Is that the one I found was blocked by Comcast business the other day?
2024-04-04 09:31:46	phrik	NetSysFire: paste: Created by Namarrgon on 2024-02-05T15:13:56+0000. Last requested by NetSysFire!~NetSysFir@silly/elektra on 2024-04-04T07:31:09+0000, requested 100 times.
2024-04-04 09:33:47	Tom^	just use gist :p
2024-04-04 09:34:02	grawity	>signing up with a github account for a pastebin
2024-04-04 09:35:02	Tom^	jeezus https://github.blog/2018-02-18-deprecation-notice-removing-anonymous-gist-creation/ how did i miss this
2024-04-04 09:35:04	phrik	Title: Deprecation notice: Removing anonymous gist creation - The GitHub Blog (at github.blog)
2024-04-04 09:35:04	Tom^	ok fine
2024-04-04 09:35:52	grawity	the pastebins change around so often that I gave up on updating ~/bin/sprunge for the latest good site and started just hosting .txt's on my own
2024-04-04 09:36:29	grawity	could probably do this for #al
2024-04-04 09:36:36	grawity	https://dpaste.org/OuuUh
2024-04-04 09:36:38	phrik	Title: dpaste/OuuUh (Python) (at dpaste.org)
2024-04-04 09:36:38	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://land.nullroute.lt/arch/20240404.073638.OkAA2N.txt
2024-04-04 09:36:48	Tom^	dpaste is horrible tho, fails dnssec
2024-04-04 09:36:58	grawity	hence it being in the list
2024-04-04 09:37:03	Tom^	even the voice of korea, NK's news site doesnt
2024-04-04 09:37:17	Tom^	so yeah there are levels of fails, dpaste is on another one
2024-04-04 09:37:44	grawity	nothing wrong with its dnssec though https://dnsviz.net/d/dpaste.org/dnssec/
2024-04-04 09:37:47	phrik	Title: dpaste.org | DNSViz (at dnsviz.net)
2024-04-04 09:41:20	Tom^	hm it seems to be dpaste.com
2024-04-04 09:41:31	Tom^	DNSSEC validation failed for question dpaste.com IN AAAA: no-signature
2024-04-04 09:41:41	Tom^	is .org another one? lol
2024-04-04 09:42:16	Tom^	and anyone using dnssec wont be able to open it
2024-04-04 09:42:18	grawity	you're confusing "failing dnssec" and "lacking dnssec"
2024-04-04 09:42:45	grawity	lacking dnssec does not trigger a failure, having broken dnssec does
2024-04-04 09:43:17	grawity	that being said I don't see why systemd should be expecting a signature there
2024-04-04 09:43:20	grawity	there's no DS at the parent
2024-04-04 09:43:31	grawity	it's just systemd-resolved doing its usual fucked up bottom-up validation, I guess
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2024-04-04 10:25:45	enoq	gpg2 --list-secret-keys hangs indefinitely
2024-04-04 10:26:14	enoq	how do I debug this?
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2024-04-04 10:31:21	enoq	happened after updating yesterday, has anything changed with regards to gpg or the agent?
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2024-04-04 10:39:00	enoq	fixed it by killing my .gnupg directory and reimport my secret keys
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2024-04-04 12:00:00	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-04 12:00:01	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1453 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1452 regular)
2024-04-04 11:46:44	dumbledoor	is it ok to install grub on two partitions? currently i have one on an HDD, but I want to start grub from my SSD drive. Can they both point to all the distros I'm trying to run from them?
2024-04-04 11:47:20	dumbledoor	i don't want to delete ghe one on the hdd, incase something goes wrong
2024-04-04 11:47:41	dumbledoor	s/ghe/the
2024-04-04 11:47:48	astralc	grub can boot from any partition (from multiple disks)
2024-04-04 11:47:58	astralc	so why install it again?
2024-04-04 11:48:56	dumbledoor	my hdd disk is very slow. im thinking that when i start my laptop if grub menu shows up from the one installed on hdd, startup time will be slower.
2024-04-04 11:49:48	gog	i don't think it'd be noticeably slower, the files it's loading for grub are small and if it's using EFI on the back end it's already going to be very slow
2024-04-04 11:57:50	goptr	hmm, hyprland is nice compared to sway I would say
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2024-04-04 12:09:30	Paipou	I also ditched sway for hyprland, default config is also nice on hyprland
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2024-04-04 12:19:43	joel135	hi, i am moving abroad so i have dd'ed my internal partitions into files on my external hdd. is it inadvisable to mount these files directly?
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2024-04-04 12:20:19	joel135	currently i am doing like `sudo mount /mnt/usb8tb/nvme0n1p2 /mnt/box-nvme0n1p2/` on my laptop
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2024-04-04 12:20:59	akik	joel135: you can mount them if you want
2024-04-04 12:21:24	joel135	i am wondering because after running this command i found out online that there is a "loop device" step that never crossed my mind
2024-04-04 12:22:19	akik	joel135: yes that's how the file will be presented to the os
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2024-04-04 12:24:16	joel135	ah it's done automatically
2024-04-04 12:24:29	akik	losetup -fv --show image_file
2024-04-04 12:24:32	akik	losetup -l
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2024-04-04 12:24:39	joel135	losetup does list the two files as having been associated to /dev/loop{0,1} yes
2024-04-04 12:25:16	joel135	(i didn't say but i have one nvme0n1p2 file and one sda1 file)
2024-04-04 12:25:34	joel135	thanks
2024-04-04 12:25:58	akik	joel135: do you mean mount runs losetup automagically?
2024-04-04 12:26:08	joel135	yes
2024-04-04 12:26:12	joel135	i didn't know this
2024-04-04 12:26:28	akik	i didn't either
2024-04-04 12:27:13	joel135	apparently it was a good idea to dd the partitions separately and not the whole drives
2024-04-04 12:27:40	joel135	because that would have added another indirection that probably would have required an explicit losetup
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2024-04-04 12:29:31	akik	kpartx -av image_file
2024-04-04 12:29:45	joel135	right
2024-04-04 12:29:51	akik	then you'll get mountable things in /dev/mapper/
2024-04-04 12:29:59	joel135	yes i saw on stackoverflow
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2024-04-04 12:56:58	SysGhost	I simply use losetup -Pf when dealing with image-files containing partition-tables
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2024-04-04 13:00:32	SysGhost	...and then proceeds to mount /dev/loopXpY ...
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2024-04-04 13:24:04	xecuter	what is the difference of Tctl/Tdie and CPUTIN ?
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2024-04-04 13:39:35	tsdh	Since today I get Xwayland crashes when I do certain actions in IntelliJ.  How do I get meaningful backtraces in coredumpctl, i.e. with symbols instead of n/a?  I've run "debuginfod-find debuginfo <path>" for all libs and binaries mentioned in the backtrace which told me that it cached something like /home/hta/.cache/debuginfod_client/9cdeb4e90f22c649efdf0079999006184766d78e/debuginfo.  But new
2024-04-04 13:39:35	tsdh	crashes still show no
2024-04-04 13:39:35	tsdh	 symbols.
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2024-04-04 13:40:30	Namarrgon	you have to open the coredump in gdb
2024-04-04 13:40:52	Namarrgon	coredumpctl doesn't support debuginfod for the traces
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2024-04-04 13:43:40	tsdh	Namarrgon: Ah, now I see gdb downloads debuginfo itself. :-)
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2024-04-04 13:50:30	SysGhost	xecuter: TDIE is as it sounds, temperature on the actual CPU die. TCTL (T control) isn't an actual sensor, but a calculated value based on known properties of the heatspreader and internal interface materials and the actual cooling performance.
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2024-04-04 13:52:09	dmr104	I restart wpa_supplicant as root.  I have not set up a user account yet.  it says 4-way handshaked failed.  wrong key. the key is correct.  i have used in on multiple machines.  Do I need to set a user account, add user to network group and try as user with sudo?  I am running out of ideas
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2024-04-04 17:46:42	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-04 17:46:42	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1464 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1463 regular)
2024-04-04 14:16:03	wdb	Xfce is nice for older machines 
2024-04-04 14:44:46	dmr104	is plocate better than locate?
2024-04-04 14:47:18	dmr104	where is the xinitc file located under /etc ?
2024-04-04 14:49:00	masoudd	 /etc/X11/xinit
2024-04-04 14:49:05	fluix	hey, so I upgraded last night (after a few months I think) and booting fails with "failure to mount boot". in the emergency shell I tried to modprobe vfat, but it looks like there's a mismatch between uname -a kernel version (5.16.20) and the /lib/modules dir and pacman version (has 6.7.11)
2024-04-04 14:51:40	dmr104	masoudd: i only have a /etc/X11/xinit/xinit.d/ directory with a couple of files in it
2024-04-04 14:53:31	masoudd	dmr104, You need to install xorg-xinit
2024-04-04 14:54:21	fluix	guessing I need to get a liveusb and regenerate boot stuff?
2024-04-04 14:54:23	Niinu	@fluix simple mkinitcpio -P to regenerate initramfs from a liveusb ouhta fix that
2024-04-04 14:54:46	fluix	unfortunate, thanks
2024-04-04 14:54:51	dmr104	do i masoudd pacman -Ss xorg-init does not show me this package
2024-04-04 14:55:18	masoudd	xorg-xinit
2024-04-04 14:55:33	dmr104	oh yes
2024-04-04 14:59:03	gromit	fluix: did you have /boot/ mounted while updating? 
2024-04-04 15:00:03	fluix	Not sure how I wouldn't have, I was booted fine and didn't run umount on it
2024-04-04 15:02:04	fluix	I gotta go back to carying a spare usb drive
2024-04-04 15:02:20	dmr104	masoudd: no such file as /usr/bin/X
2024-04-04 15:03:07	masoudd	dmr104, What do you want to do? And how are you trying to do it?
2024-04-04 15:03:20	another|	pacman -F X
2024-04-04 15:03:24	Namarrgon	you forgot to install an X server
2024-04-04 15:04:11	felsokning	dmr, I think xorg-xinit and xorg-init are different. Assuming masoudd didn't make a typo, you were looking for the wrong package.
2024-04-04 15:04:40	whiteman809	how much swap do you recommend? I have 32 gb ram and 6 gb swap and constantly my system is swapping, when I open firefox, thunderbird etc
2024-04-04 15:05:08	another|	depends entirely on your use case
2024-04-04 15:05:26	dmr104	should i do a -S X or a -F x to install X?
2024-04-04 15:05:31	gog	swapping with 32 GIB?
2024-04-04 15:05:39	gog	i have 16 and i'm almost never using swap
2024-04-04 15:05:40	another|	dmr104: neither
2024-04-04 15:06:12	another|	!give dmr104 aw Xorg
2024-04-04 15:06:13	phrik	dmr104: Xorg - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg
2024-04-04 15:06:20	dmr104	pacman -S X is wrong then?
2024-04-04 15:06:20	masoudd	I have a hard time believing you installed archlinux but don't know pacman flags
2024-04-04 15:06:46	another|	dmr104: read the wiki
2024-04-04 15:07:10	Namarrgon	!aw X
2024-04-04 15:07:11	phrik	Namarrgon: X - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/X
2024-04-04 15:07:39	felsokning	white, I think the better question is what's the memory resource hog when you're running firefox, thunderbird, etc. -- it's the etc. that's the issue and the swap is just a manifestation of it, it sounds like.
2024-04-04 15:10:26	whiteman809	felsokning: swapping isn't good? i have nvme
2024-04-04 15:12:06	felsokning	Didn't say it wasn't good - but swap tends to be memory pressure-related (I thought?). See here: https://opensource.com/article/18/9/swap-space-linux-systems
2024-04-04 15:12:09	phrik	Title: An introduction to swap space on Linux systems | Opensource.com (at opensource.com)
2024-04-04 15:14:16	wunit	note that swap space usage doesn't automatically mean "swapping" (as in: paging out actively used memory pages), but can be part of regular (and efficient) memory management by the kernel
2024-04-04 15:14:52	demonicmaniac1	also if you have zswap it's not actually writing to swapfile
2024-04-04 15:14:54	akik	yes it does
2024-04-04 15:15:05	akik	see: free
2024-04-04 15:15:34	demonicmaniac1	free will misreport zswap
2024-04-04 15:17:32	mpan	gehidore: thanks for arguing with me. I accept your explanation. :)
2024-04-04 15:18:32	akik	whiteman809: if you want to test running without swapping, you can set /proc/sys/vm/swappiness to 0
2024-04-04 15:18:45	dmr104	how do i find out if xf86-video-amdgpu will support my Radeon HD 6320?
2024-04-04 15:19:14	Namarrgon	dmr104: you can skip installing the xf86-video driver
2024-04-04 15:19:22	demonicmaniac1	dmr104: it won't - amdgpu only supports gcn, 63xx isn't gcn
2024-04-04 15:19:55	demonicmaniac1	also iso would load amdgpu kernel driver if the card was supported by amdgpu
2024-04-04 15:20:10	dmr104	thanks
2024-04-04 15:21:35	dmr104	so i need the virtualframebuffer extra option to pacman?
2024-04-04 15:22:00	dmr104	i keep doing typos today!
2024-04-04 15:22:56	dmr104	do i need?
2024-04-04 15:23:39	demonicmaniac1	not sure what you mean. you don't need to install any xf86-video driver, modesetting is built into the xorg-server and supported by radeon
2024-04-04 15:24:47	dmr104	oh yes. i see better now.
2024-04-04 15:58:27	ianliu	In the build() phase of a PKGBUILD, is it possible to know if --nocheck was passed?
2024-04-04 15:59:30	baltazar	hi! is there a way to tell pipewire / wireplumber to remember profiles? e.g. I want to use analog stereo duplex by default, but switch to hdmi out + analog in when my monitor is plugged in
2024-04-04 15:59:37	baltazar	I think it used to remember but doesn't seem to anymore
2024-04-04 16:03:03	gehidore	mpan hit me with a link from there and I'll test it on their stuff when I get to work today
2024-04-04 16:04:31	mpan	gehidore: the actual paste link or just <https://paste.rs>?
2024-04-04 16:04:33	phrik	Title: Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-04-04 16:11:11	mpan	ianliu: Hello. What are you actually trying to achieve? Becauase depending in PKGBUILD on a particular makepkg invocation (and not even actual settings used) suggests a weird XY problem.
2024-04-04 16:12:49	ianliu	mpan: I need to constantly rebuild openvpn3 AUR package after system updates, but the PKGBUILD compiles unit tests by default, which takes a long time. I'm happy to just modify the PKGBUILD to pass --disable-unit-tests, but I was wondering if this flag can be passed programatically, only when --nocheck was passed to makepkg
2024-04-04 16:14:59	mpan	ianliu: if you’re willing to modify the PKGBUILD to use such a hack, why not simply pass `--disable-unit-tests`? :D
2024-04-04 16:16:29	ianliu	mpan: well, that is what I did, but I was wondering if I could contribute to the PKGBUILD with this feature.
2024-04-04 16:17:41	mpan	ianliu: contribute, certainly not, because it would break how `makepkg` works. You can’t depend on presence of only `--nocheck` to determine if tests are not being run. It would be more productive, I believe, to move building unit tests to `check()`.
2024-04-04 16:20:01	ianliu	mpan: hmm, but that's not how the build system works, I guess. It is an autotools project, and you must decide when to build tests on the build() phase (to call ./configure --enable-unit-tests or --diable, then "make"). The check phase only calls "make check", but it needs the tests to be built first
2024-04-04 16:20:40	ianliu	I guess you could reconfigure on the check() phase with the appropriate flags
2024-04-04 16:20:44	mpan	ianliu: then I believe there is no way, at least not one that is reliable and could be put into a public PKGBUILD.
2024-04-04 16:20:55	ianliu	I see
2024-04-04 16:24:45	magesing	Hi all... I'm trying to follow [this](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate#Hibernation) in order to get hibernation working on my system. I've gotten as far as adding the UUID and offset of my swapfile to my kernel prameters. I'm using `EFISTUB` as my bootloader. My question is: If I saved a script with the
2024-04-04 16:24:46	magesing	`efibootmgr` command I used to make my boot entry (months ago), i can't find it now. I can see the full boot entry with `efibootmgr --unicode` and thankfully, I can get all of the partUUIDs that I need from there. My question is: *is there an easy way to re-generate an efibootmgr command to generate a given boot entry based on the existing boot
2024-04-04 16:24:46	phrik	Title: Power management/Suspend and hibernate - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-04 16:24:46	magesing	entries?*
2024-04-04 16:31:03	magesing	A more concise question: [this wiki page](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFISTUB) gives `efibootmgr` examples using `--disk` , `--part`,  and `--label` and I'm having trouble finding an example using UUIDs instead
2024-04-04 16:36:59	mpan	ianliu: all functions in PKGBUILD have access to environment variables of the caller, so hypothetically you could use a custom env variable. But make sure you choose the variable name wisely, protect against it not being defined at all etc. And treat it as a hack, if fixing software is not possible otherwise.
2024-04-04 16:37:47	mpan	Realize, what happens when this is built in clean chroot, for example. etc etc
2024-04-04 17:00:28	Gnana	transmission gtk no tray icon wayland hyprland?
2024-04-04 17:08:43	fetzenfisch	!paste
2024-04-04 17:08:43	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-04 17:09:58	louipc	last time i played with wayland tray icon wasnt working well
2024-04-04 17:10:24	jelle	Psi-Jack: it has --grep or your normal pagination search with `/` or `?`
2024-04-04 17:10:28	louipc	it either just did nothing or popped up an entire window
2024-04-04 17:11:07	whiteman809	I need to use from time to time proprietary programs, mainly MS Office and Power BI, Statistica at university. Most time I spent in the Arch Linux. I have everything formatted as ext4 or ZFS, I use linux-specific technologies very often like LXC. Is there any reason if Windows on the dual boot would be a better choice than virtual machine with Windows?
2024-04-04 17:11:20	whiteman809	I have to use proprietary NVIDIA drivers
2024-04-04 17:11:36	whiteman809	I consider dual boot due to performance issues
2024-04-04 17:13:38	mpan	whiteman809: if it’s not a problem to you, dual book will provide better experience and less headache for Windows programs than wine, and better performance than a VM. At the cost of having to switch between systems.
2024-04-04 17:15:21	causasui	is there a faq or something I can wave around to explain why the 'yy' in '-Syyu' should not be used routinely?
2024-04-04 17:15:55	causasui	I'm pretty sure I understand it myself but in random discord channels and forums I'm just another random person with an opinion
2024-04-04 17:17:38	jelle	-yy forces a sync which is not required
2024-04-04 17:17:51	jelle	(which should be described in `man pacman`)
2024-04-04 17:18:30	causasui	yeah, alright
2024-04-04 17:20:17	Trel	Psi-Jack: journalctl has a switch that sort of acts like grep, but it doesn't seem to do anything beyond basic pattern matching. (vs things like -v to grep)
2024-04-04 17:20:40	mpan	whiteman809: dual boot* DAMNIT! :D
2024-04-04 17:20:46	mpan	Not dual book.
2024-04-04 17:34:41	ianliu	mpan: yeah, I was reading makepkg source code right now, and I see there are some vars I could use. Thanks!
2024-04-04 17:35:49	jelle	doing that is very shady however
2024-04-04 17:37:37	sangy	what do the cool cats use to listen to music nowadays? I don't want to use spotify and I don't want a crusty "only open source music with cc-by playlists by nobody you know" services
2024-04-04 17:37:53	sangy	oh also not "here's my gist with a rube-goldberg machine that uses yt-dl and pipes it to mpv"
2024-04-04 17:39:05	goptr	ncmpcpp
2024-04-04 17:39:15	Foxboron	sangy: some people use jellyfin
2024-04-04 17:39:39	sangy	jelle: fin
2024-04-04 17:40:17	sangy	Foxboron: this looks cool, it's in aur?
2024-04-04 17:40:26	Foxboron	sangy: packaged in the repos
2024-04-04 17:40:59	sangy	oih man and sb wrote a wiki page for it 
2024-04-04 17:41:05	sangy	<3 love ya folks
2024-04-04 17:41:23	whiteman809	is 16 gb swap on nvme disk a good amount of swap or should I leave 6 gb? I have 32 gb ram
2024-04-04 17:41:23	mpan	ivanich: yeah, as jelle said and I will repeat what I said before: consider it a hack, a last resort if software upstream can’t be fixed.
2024-04-04 17:41:29	mpan	!give mpan tabfail
2024-04-04 17:41:30	phrik	mpan:  0  days since the last tab failure. Completion safety is our union goal!
2024-04-04 17:41:54	⚡ 	whiteman809 considers increasing swap
2024-04-04 17:42:08	whiteman809	from 6 to 16 gb
2024-04-04 17:42:22	sangy	>nginx reverse proxy
2024-04-04 17:42:26	sangy	why lol
2024-04-04 17:43:54	mpan	whiteman809: do you suspend to disk?
2024-04-04 17:44:03	whiteman809	sometimes
2024-04-04 17:44:07	whiteman809	generally yes
2024-04-04 17:44:17	mpan	whiteman809: does it fail often?
2024-04-04 17:44:19	whiteman809	i'm not doing hibernation, only sleep
2024-04-04 17:44:22	whiteman809	mpan: no
2024-04-04 17:44:39	mpan	whiteman809: then there is no reason to increase your swap.
2024-04-04 17:44:44	espresso	sangy: though my coolness may be subjective, I just use mpv. and https://somafm.com/dronezone/ is among other good channels and genres
2024-04-04 17:44:46	phrik	Title: SomaFM: Drone Zone: Served best chilled, safe with most medications. Atmospheric textures with minimal beats. Commercial-free, Listener-supported Radio (at somafm.com)
2024-04-04 17:45:04	whiteman809	mpan: would you instead try to lower ram usage on the system?
2024-04-04 17:45:11	sangy	espresso: will check it out. Thanks!
2024-04-04 17:45:15	mpan	whiteman809: no. There is no problem to solve at all.
2024-04-04 17:45:47	greentail	rcf: yesterday, when debugging the Xorg issue, you said that if mesa-amber doesn't work, then you will have to teach me something. What was that something? It was around 12 or 11 hours ago. I don't know how to see the chat logs in Weechat, so if someone knows how to see the logs, I think it would be trivial to search that  
2024-04-04 17:45:56	whiteman809	mpan: the problem is that I often have all memory consumed, that's reason why I wanted to increase swap
2024-04-04 17:46:16	mpan	whiteman809: if that was the case, you couldn’t answer suspending causes no problems.
2024-04-04 17:46:29	mpan	whiteman809: and swap is not “free RAM” either.
2024-04-04 17:46:42	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-04 17:46:47	mpan	If you have too little RAM, you need more RAM.
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2024-04-04 17:47:54	greentail	mpan: too little RAM? Or too small RAM? Or too few RAM? 
2024-04-04 17:48:29	mpan	whiteman809: what makes you think, you have too little RAM?
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2024-04-04 17:49:33	whiteman809	yes
2024-04-04 17:49:36	whiteman809	indeed
2024-04-04 17:49:47	mpan	> what makes you think, you have too little RAM?   > yes  :D
2024-04-04 17:49:58	greentail	Should I learn how to use Valgrind? What resources are good? How should I start?  
2024-04-04 17:49:58	teraflops	!linuxatemyram
2024-04-04 17:49:58	phrik	http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
2024-04-04 17:50:42	greentail	teraflops: linux doesn't have garbage collection?
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2024-04-04 17:51:15	mpan	whiteman809: I will state the question in different words. What are you doing to know you have not enough RAM?
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2024-04-04 17:51:56	Namarrgon	greentail: ~/.local/share/weechat/logs
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2024-04-04 17:52:10	Namarrgon	or ~/.weechat/logs, if you have an old install
2024-04-04 17:52:24	greentail	Namarrgon: thank you! 
2024-04-04 17:52:35	whiteman809	mpan: https://termbin.com/i8ak
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2024-04-04 17:53:19	whiteman809	29 GiB / 32 GiB is used
2024-04-04 17:53:26	mpan	whiteman809: sounds like you need more RAM then.
2024-04-04 17:53:28	greentail	Namarrgon: I found the chat logs. What rcf said was that I should learn Valgrind, but I don't know what's a good resource to read to begin
2024-04-04 17:53:34	⚡ 	Namarrgon looks at his 1.2k firefox tabs and the free -h output
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2024-04-04 17:54:10	mpan	whiteman809: note that your swap remains mostly unused too, so increasing it also makes no sense, even if there was something to push into it.
2024-04-04 17:54:19	greentail	Namarrgon: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/unload-inactive-tabs-save-system-memory-firefox
2024-04-04 17:54:20	phrik	Title: Unload inactive tabs to save system memory in Firefox | Firefox Help (at support.mozilla.org)
2024-04-04 17:54:26	ZLima12	whiteman809, what are you running to use 30GB of RAM?
2024-04-04 17:54:52	whiteman809	most of ram i suppose virtual machine is consuming and firefox with million tabs
2024-04-04 17:55:15	ZLima12	Ok well VMs make sense
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2024-04-04 17:55:41	greentail	whiteman809: firefox isn't supposed to use that much RAM if you use TabUnloading
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2024-04-04 17:56:13	Namarrgon	ah, smem got dropped
2024-04-04 17:56:27	whiteman809	greentail: can you give a link to this extension?
2024-04-04 17:56:32	whiteman809	or setting, whatever
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2024-04-04 17:57:12	Namarrgon	how much is assigned to the VMs? in that context firefox is probably the least of your problems
2024-04-04 17:57:22	greentail	whiteman809: I sent the link 4 messages above
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2024-04-04 17:58:15	teraflops	ps_mem!
2024-04-04 17:58:36	greentail	teraflops: no bot response
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2024-04-04 17:59:20	teraflops	so in this case is qemu ate my ram I guess :)
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2024-04-04 18:06:33	espresso	Psi-Jack: I think kde bluedevil does not strictly depend on bluez-utils (that provides bluetoothctl)
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2024-04-04 18:12:05	espresso	don't know if that https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=bluedevil issue may be reported..
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2024-04-04 18:12:48	jelle	Psi-Jack: what is failing to "enable"
2024-04-04 18:13:03	jelle	the service?
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2024-04-04 18:14:31	jelle	aha
2024-04-04 18:15:42	gog	wasn't there recently a kernel issue with bluetooth?
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2024-04-04 18:17:49	jelle	ah, true the real kenrel first
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2024-04-04 18:21:56	greentail	Hi. I was using Firefox, and suddenly my computer went black with only a horizontal blinking cursor in the top left corner. The same thing happened last week, once. Coredumpctl doesn't show any entry for the time of the event. What should I do?
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2024-04-04 18:23:48	greentail	https://0x0.st/Xisc.txt
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2024-04-04 18:42:44	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-04 18:42:44	novns	greentail, if you have sshd running, can you login from another box?
2024-04-04 18:42:46	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-04 18:43:05	novns	or the whole system is stopped?
2024-04-04 18:43:21	greentail	NetSysFire: you mean REISUB? I always do REISUB whenever I have a problem, it has never worked for me. I've tried with Alt, without the Alt, with Shift, without the Shift, never does anything for me
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2024-04-04 18:43:33	goptr	dmr104: if I am not wrong, isn't it the job of pacman to manage that dependency cycle? I had installed few programs which had dependency cycle, and the order of the download gets changed, nothing else
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2024-04-04 18:43:49	dmr104	goptr: thanks
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2024-04-04 18:43:56	greentail	novns: I don't have another box. I guess by "box" you mean computer
2024-04-04 18:44:01	novns	нуы
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2024-04-04 18:44:04	novns	yes
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2024-04-04 18:44:13	goptr	Why enlightment is the question are you enlightened?
2024-04-04 18:44:25	novns	greentail, a smartphone maybe, there are ssh clients too
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2024-04-04 18:44:36	dmr104	goptr: i think i am getting there
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2024-04-04 18:45:45	greentail	NetSysFire: I have two drives, both with ArchLinux. I was using the 2.5-inch drive with BTRFS, and I kept getting input-output errors at least once a week. So finally I switched to this NVMe drive. And now this NVMe drive is giving me these blank-screen-with-cursor crashes  
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2024-04-04 18:47:27	goptr	dmr104: ☮️
2024-04-04 18:48:30	Ingar	greentail: if it's a hardware issue it could be anything :-\
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2024-04-04 18:55:59	greentail	NetSysFire: sorry, I had to leave the channel for some minutes. If you said something to me, I can't see it :(
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2024-04-04 19:11:10	greentail	NetSysFire: thanks
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2024-04-04 19:11:46	gehidore	NetSysFire to answer your question aboute paste.rs it's blocked even if I manually change dns away from isp provided the paste.rs redirects to a malware/phishing page with comcast and the https site proclaims connection reset.
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2024-04-04 19:12:02	greentail	I don't use Wayland, but it looks like Wayland is already installed on my system. Pacman says wayland is a requirement for mpv and mesa-amber. Why is that? 
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2024-04-04 19:14:15	greentail	Psi-Jack: thanks
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2024-04-04 19:17:01	greentail	I just tried Wayland for the first time, and it's ... it's so much easier than Xorg! You don't have to edit any xinitrc file or anything. All you have to do is install this package called "sway" and that's it! 
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2024-04-04 19:18:54	greentail	rcf: you're right, logisim-evolution doesn't run in Sway. It showws only a white screen 
2024-04-04 19:19:09	dmr104	my startx error says xterm: command not found
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2024-04-04 19:20:14	greentail	dmr104: pacman -F xterm
2024-04-04 19:20:19	phrik	Title: xinit - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-04 19:20:55	greentail	dmr104: but you should probably edit your `~/.xinitrc` file, delete xterm, and replace it with alacritty
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2024-04-04 19:23:42	greentail	I just realized the output of `pacman -F xterm` is too long and might be confusing for beginners. So I guess they can just do `pacman -S xterm` 
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2024-04-04 19:24:24	greentail	I'm on a terminal. How can I tell whether I'm running wayland or am running Xorg? What command should I run?  
2024-04-04 19:24:27	edu4rdshl	The output of pacman is what you asked for
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2024-04-04 19:24:57	edu4rdshl	If you want, you can be more specific with `pacman -F /usr/bin/xterm` then it will give you only 1 result
2024-04-04 19:25:06	espresso	greentail: echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
2024-04-04 19:25:09	edu4rdshl	greentail, imagine if you use google and search for it
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2024-04-04 19:25:22	dmr104	how do i find out the names of the repositories?
2024-04-04 19:25:33	edu4rdshl	And, if you're on sway, then it's wayland, because sway is wayland-only...
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2024-04-04 19:25:50	edu4rdshl	dmr104, check your pacman.conf ?
2024-04-04 19:25:57	edu4rdshl	I don't get your question
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2024-04-04 19:27:04	dmr104	xterm is under extra/xterm I notice from wiki there is another called testing
2024-04-04 19:27:04	greentail	espresso: thank you!
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2024-04-04 19:28:06	greentail	edu4rdshl: the command `pacman -F /bin/xterm` returns zero results. However, if I add 'usr' to the left, or remove 'bin' from the left, I get the desired results. That's interesting
2024-04-04 19:28:32	greentail	dmr104: beginners are not supposed to use anything called "testing"  
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2024-04-04 19:28:47	edu4rdshl	greentail, that command is not what I put, you need to read better
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2024-04-04 19:29:02	edu4rdshl	ofc /bin/xterm is not provided by any package
2024-04-04 19:29:11	edu4rdshl	/bin is just a symlink to /usr/bin
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2024-04-04 19:29:35	dmr104	greentail: but if i use pactree it requires a repo name. 
2024-04-04 19:29:52	dmr104	isn't there a repo list command?
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2024-04-04 19:30:12	edu4rdshl	dmr104, what are you trying to do?
2024-04-04 19:30:31	dmr104	edu4rdshl: to know what are my options with pactree
2024-04-04 19:30:39	edu4rdshl	Options for what
2024-04-04 19:30:56	dmr104	pactree <repo>
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2024-04-04 19:31:09	edu4rdshl	There's no such thing
2024-04-04 19:31:23	masoudd	!xy
2024-04-04 19:31:23	phrik	What exactly are you trying to do? http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=542341
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2024-04-04 19:31:45	edu4rdshl	pactree requires package names, that's it
2024-04-04 19:32:00	greentail	edu4rdshl: the same way you say "/bin/xterm" is not provided by any package, one could say that "xterm" is not provided by any package. Does that make sense? What I'm trying to say is that `pacman -F` is not strict about your having to type the whole path `usr/bin/xterm`, but somehow doesn't like it when you start with `/bin/`
2024-04-04 19:32:20	dmr104	edu4rdshl: my appologies.  i am trying to multitask today and am not async thread safe
2024-04-04 19:32:35	masoudd	Of course why would you install xterm with pactree? WHY
2024-04-04 19:32:41	edu4rdshl	greentail, it isn't "it doesn't like", it's just that such thing doesn't exists.
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2024-04-04 19:33:17	edu4rdshl	And no, you can't say that xterm is not provided by any package, because it's provided
2024-04-04 19:33:39	edu4rdshl	If you at least take the time to read what pacman -F does you'll understand it
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2024-04-04 19:34:38	felsokning	pactree doesn't require a repo name but a package name: https://man.archlinux.org/man/pactree.8.en
2024-04-04 19:34:41	phrik	Title: pactree(8) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2024-04-04 19:34:43	tirnanog	greentail: pacman -F supports searching by basename. by specifying an absolute path, you suppress that mode of operation.
2024-04-04 19:35:18	greentail	tirnanog: thank you. That's the answer I was looking for
2024-04-04 19:35:39	edu4rdshl	And that's in the manpage
2024-04-04 19:35:50	edu4rdshl	But hey, let's ask everything to the channel people
2024-04-04 19:35:52	edu4rdshl	Why read
2024-04-04 19:36:05	dmr104	edu4rdshl: my correction follows. paclist <repo>  But what are the repo names?
2024-04-04 19:36:19	greentail	edu4rdshl: I just searched the manpage for the word "basename" and got zero results 
2024-04-04 19:36:23	tirnanog	because it gives you an opportunity to be tediously condescending, presumably.
2024-04-04 19:37:16	edu4rdshl	dmr104, check your pacman.conf. By default they are: core, extra, multilib
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2024-04-04 19:37:24	tirnanog	dmr104: I have a feeling that you may not have created an .xinitrc file at all. have you?
2024-04-04 19:37:31	edu4rdshl	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/official_repositories
2024-04-04 19:37:32	phrik	Title: Official repositories - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-04 19:37:49	edu4rdshl	greentail, you are human, you can interpret things
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2024-04-04 19:38:12	edu4rdshl	Why you expect everything to be told like we are babysitters
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2024-04-04 19:40:08	dmr104	tirnanog: i copied the default one to ~ 
2024-04-04 19:40:09	greentail	edu4rdshl: I've been browsing the pacman manpage for some minutes already. In what part is that behaviour documented? I'll be happy to read it
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2024-04-04 19:41:34	edu4rdshl	What is not clear? -F, --files: Query the files database. This operation allows you to look for packages owning certain files or display files owned by certain packages. Only packages that are part of your sync databases are searched. See File Options below.
2024-04-04 19:42:32	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] No bluetooth adaptater on AX200 / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-04 19:48:00	tirnanog	greentail: it's not documented by pacman(8); you're just being gaslighted. in addition to the prior observation, it helps to know that pacman refuses to install files whose paths would cross a symlink boundary as a matter of policy. so, pacman -F /bin/<name> can never produce a result.
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2024-04-04 19:49:15	greentail	tirnanog: thank you so much
2024-04-04 19:49:16	tirnanog	greentail: by contrast, pacman -Qo will canonicalise pathnames for you, so pacman -Qo /bin/<name> can give you a result.
2024-04-04 19:49:48	dmr104	so i want to install twm.  it is in the xorg-twm package.  What would -S twm do?  would it break anything?  I should find out by doing a -Sp twm   Sorry to ask so many newbie questions.  I have been using arch for 6 hours
2024-04-04 19:49:55	greentail	tirnanog: anything that could be done about the gaslighting? 
2024-04-04 19:50:17	Namarrgon	dmr104: try it
2024-04-04 19:50:46	edu4rdshl	dmr104, -S twm would do nothing, because that's not a package name or provided by anything
2024-04-04 19:50:53	dmr104	Namarrgon: i am worried about breaking stuff. pacman seems more adept than apt
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2024-04-04 19:50:56	tirnanog	greentail: I think the most productive thing that could be done in this instance is to propose an enhancement to the man page. while it could be learned through trial and error, it certainly wouldn't hurt for this to be documented.
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2024-04-04 19:51:19	Namarrgon	dmr104: you won't break anything in this case
2024-04-04 19:51:34	Namarrgon	so better learn your lessons here than later when you try it on something more important
2024-04-04 19:53:15	dmr104	Namarrgon: the problem i have with accepting advice like that on a irc channel is that i hope the advice is not bad advice.  I always check the options on the man page first
2024-04-04 19:54:15	Namarrgon	dmr104: then read "man pacman", it explains the -S operation
2024-04-04 19:54:16	greentail	tirnanog: what about the gaslighter? it looks like they have been aggressive to other people here too  
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2024-04-04 19:56:38	greentail	Psi-Jack: I always cold-boot, never do warm reboots. At the kernel level, what's the difference?  
2024-04-04 19:57:34	dmr104	Namarrgon: the man page states it can be a filename, but i cannot find it stated whether -S filename will install the whole package containing it
2024-04-04 19:58:03	dmr104	the last thing i would want is to obtain some orphan file 
2024-04-04 19:58:37	Namarrgon	dmr104: the OPERATIONS section does not mention "file" for -S
2024-04-04 19:59:00	Namarrgon	dmr104: https://man.archlinux.org/man/pacman.8#OPERATIONS
2024-04-04 19:59:02	phrik	Title: pacman(8) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2024-04-04 19:59:22	greentail	dmr104: it's basically impossible for pacman to install an orphan file, that basically will never happen
2024-04-04 19:59:24	Namarrgon	you cannot install single files from packages
2024-04-04 20:00:04	dmr104	Namarrgon: in DESCRIPTOOO
2024-04-04 20:00:09	dmr104	Namarrgon: in DESCRIPTIONS
2024-04-04 20:00:28	Namarrgon	you didn't read past that?
2024-04-04 20:00:38	dmr104	Namarrgon: of course i did
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2024-04-04 20:01:05	Namarrgon	Psi-Jack: is this an intel bt/wifi chipset?
2024-04-04 20:01:34	Namarrgon	maybe try the last 6.9RC, it was supposed to fix some of the current issues
2024-04-04 20:01:49	edu4rdshl	greentail, I just hate that people came here to ask every damn step, no do a little research and waste people's time with basic questions answered thousands of times ;)
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2024-04-04 20:02:00	felsokning	dmr104: filename refers to a pac file you've downloaded from elsewhere - it's a package of files, like the difference between license.txt being inside myCoolArchive.zip
2024-04-04 20:02:05	edu4rdshl	That's called a help vampire, read https://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/
2024-04-04 20:02:06	phrik	Title: slash7 with Amy Hoy » Blog Archive » Help Vampires: A Spotter’s Guide (at slash7.com)
2024-04-04 20:02:06	greentail	Namarrgon: is 6.9RC and what's the name of the package?  
2024-04-04 20:02:13	edu4rdshl	And dont act like one of those :D
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2024-04-04 20:03:03	edu4rdshl	That article describe exactly what you've being doing here
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2024-04-04 20:03:25	dmr104	felsokning: i think i get it now.  the DESCRIPTION containing the target as a file confused me because i was thing of a binary or some isolated file.  thanks
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2024-04-04 20:03:49	edu4rdshl	So, it isn't "gasligthing", it's "getting annoyed for getting 10 questions per minute" from someone who clearly don't want to research anything
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2024-04-04 20:05:20	Namarrgon	greentail: aur/linux-mainline, if you want to use a PKGBUILD
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2024-04-04 20:05:37	Namarrgon	make sure it builds the latest RC
2024-04-04 20:06:05	greentail	Namarrgon: thanks
2024-04-04 20:06:15	felsokning	dmr104: See here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Offline_installation#Install_from_file
2024-04-04 20:06:16	phrik	Title: Offline installation - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-04 20:07:12	felsokning	Important to that is the *.tar.zst, which is a special extension for the package contents specific to pacman
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2024-04-04 20:09:25	edu4rdshl	Well, it isn't specific to pacman, it's just the one supported by pacman
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2024-04-04 20:12:18	Namarrgon	packages are just compressed tarballs
2024-04-04 20:13:08	Namarrgon	dmr104: while pacman can install packages from files it doesn't mean that every OPERATION supports that, -S being one of those
2024-04-04 20:14:00	dmr104	you know when you startx without a window manager? how do you facilitate it such that the right mouse click will open a menu which will enable you to quit?  At the moment i am having to kill the .xinit xserver process from another console
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2024-04-04 20:14:30	Namarrgon	you need something that provides that right-click menu
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2024-04-04 20:15:01	dmr104	what like?  what is its name?
2024-04-04 20:15:01	Namarrgon	openbox has one of those out of the box, iirc
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2024-04-04 20:15:19	tirnanog	write your own .xinitrc that launches a window manager that you like (or, at least, one better than twm).
2024-04-04 20:15:38	dmr104	i plan to use enlightenment
2024-04-04 20:15:44	tirnanog	perhaps run that then?
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2024-04-04 20:19:59	tirnanog	it makes more sense than trying to run the default one (twm), which you probably haven't installed (twm) and don't intend to use anyway. if you were using twm, it would respond to a left click on the desktop to bring up a menu.
2024-04-04 20:21:13	dmr104	would it be exec enlightenment or exec enlighenment_start, or enlightenment_open?
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2024-04-04 20:25:51	tirnanog	it appears to be enlightenemnt_start. this also agrees with the wiki article.
2024-04-04 20:26:01	tirnanog	enlightenment_start even.
2024-04-04 20:26:06	dmr104	it is the englightenment_start
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2024-04-04 20:39:12	whiteman809	?https
2024-04-04 20:39:18	whiteman809	?Namarrgon: 
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2024-04-04 20:39:39	⚡ 	whiteman809 forget to prefix these commands with tmux's C-b
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2024-04-04 21:09:40	post-factum	right now extra/solaar depends on python-hid-parser which is in AUR
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2024-04-04 21:11:54	post-factum	your repo is probably outdated :)
2024-04-04 21:12:59	astralc	Build Date      : Fri 07 Apr 2023
2024-04-04 21:13:09	astralc	massively out of date
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2024-04-04 21:14:12	astralc	it was dropped to aur now?
2024-04-04 21:14:22	post-factum	yes, it looks like it was dropped
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2024-04-04 21:14:37	post-factum	fixed solaar is in extra-staging
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2024-04-04 21:17:49	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-04 21:18:23	astralc	it is optional for solaar
2024-04-04 21:18:25	astralc	https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar/blob/master/setup.py#L87
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2024-04-04 21:30:52	chamlis	why might systemd-journal-flush.service take nearly 3 seconds on boot? there's only 400M of journals, and running it manually after boot is instant
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2024-04-04 21:36:57	post-factum	!paste
2024-04-04 21:36:57	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-04 21:37:03	post-factum	!rs
2024-04-04 21:37:03	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
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2024-04-04 21:40:36	chamlis	what output would you like? `systemd-analyze blame` gives 2.794s, `sudo journalctl --disk-usage` gives 414.9M
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2024-04-04 22:12:35	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-04 22:12:35	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1468 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1467 regular)
2024-04-04 22:12:36	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-04 22:16:53	edu4rdshl	chamlis, `systemd-analyze blame` times doesn't matter too much
2024-04-04 22:17:03	edu4rdshl	Remember that systemd starts services in parallel
2024-04-04 22:17:08	edu4rdshl	Don't bther about it tbh
2024-04-04 22:17:11	edu4rdshl	bother*
2024-04-04 22:17:25	chamlis	good point
2024-04-04 22:17:46	edu4rdshl	Mine takes 208ms but my journal is just 30MB 
2024-04-04 22:18:25	chamlis	I feel like there is a hitch during boot somewhere so I started looking, according to logs it started being slow on Mar 28
2024-04-04 22:18:51	Earnestly	critical-chain more useful
2024-04-04 22:18:58	edu4rdshl	Yeah
2024-04-04 22:19:20	chamlis	it's on the critical chain
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2024-04-04 22:20:34	chamlis	https://paste.rs/mlNdw.txt
2024-04-04 22:20:35	phrik	Title: Source Code | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
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2024-04-04 22:35:11	endafy	hello, I have spent 3 days trying to figure this out to no avail, with KDE Plasma and nvidia rtx 4070, I for the life of me cant get wayland to work
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2024-04-04 22:35:44	endafy	it logs in and I get a black screen and a cursor, if I logout with something running like firefox it will come up and I can interact with it, everything is 640x480 and xorg seems to work fine
2024-04-04 22:35:51	endafy	what the heck am I doing wrong
2024-04-04 22:36:02	Namarrgon	is this a fresh system?
2024-04-04 22:36:16	endafy	fresh enough
2024-04-04 22:36:27	Namarrgon	what does that mean?
2024-04-04 22:36:28	endafy	installed it on the 29th with the new iso
2024-04-04 22:36:45	Namarrgon	so already with the new plasma release
2024-04-04 22:36:51	Namarrgon	did you set up early kms?
2024-04-04 22:37:05	endafy	I used the archinstall script
2024-04-04 22:37:24	endafy	I thought it was my nvidia card so I put a 7900xt in it, same issue
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2024-04-04 22:37:49	Namarrgon	is this your first arch install?
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2024-04-04 22:38:14	endafy	no but its the first time I have ran into issues with wayland on AMD cards as well as nvidia and having the issue persist no matter what I do
2024-04-04 22:38:29	Namarrgon	did archinstall set up early-kms for you?
2024-04-04 22:39:00	endafy	I have no idea, how would I tell
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2024-04-04 22:39:40	endafy	according to the wiki it is a requirement so I would assume it is
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2024-04-04 22:40:50	endafy	I forget how to check if nomodeset is running
2024-04-04 22:40:57	teraflops	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting#Early_KMS_start
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2024-04-04 22:40:58	phrik	Title: Kernel mode setting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-04 22:41:29	endafy	Early KMS should already be enabled for typical setups since mkinitcpio v32, as the kms hook is included by default. For other setups, see Kernel mode setting#Early KMS start for instructions on how to enable KMS as soon as possible at the boot process.
2024-04-04 22:41:29	Namarrgon	don't assume that archinstall did something for you
2024-04-04 22:41:41	Namarrgon	that is not enough for nvidia
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2024-04-04 22:42:08	Namarrgon	if this is your first arch rodeo then don't use install scripts, install it yourself so that you can at least answer fundamental questions about your system
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2024-04-04 22:42:31	endafy	sorry I was lazy lol
2024-04-04 22:43:00	Namarrgon	that's not going to work with arch
2024-04-04 22:43:12	Namarrgon	open the nvidia wiki-page and look up how to enable early kms
2024-04-04 22:43:28	endafy	that explains why it didnt work with amd either
2024-04-04 22:43:30	endafy	thanks a ton
2024-04-04 22:43:35	Namarrgon	how did you start plasma?
2024-04-04 22:43:47	endafy	atm xorg
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2024-04-04 22:44:19	Namarrgon	yes but how did you start it? from a DM? manually from a terminal?
2024-04-04 22:44:37	endafy	sddm is set to automatically start
2024-04-04 22:44:48	Namarrgon	switch to the next vt and start it manually
2024-04-04 22:45:00	Namarrgon	but first set up early-kms
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2024-04-04 22:45:23	endafy	will do, backing things up
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2024-04-04 22:45:44	endafy	I learned a long time ago to image arch *just in case
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2024-04-04 22:49:59	endafy	"set the modeset=1 kernel module parameter for the nvidia_drm module" <- how?
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2024-04-04 22:51:30	endafy	I am so confused lol
2024-04-04 22:51:41	Namarrgon	usually via bootloader config
2024-04-04 22:51:58	endafy	ok thank you lol
2024-04-04 22:52:02	Namarrgon	"kernel module parameter" is a hyperlink
2024-04-04 22:52:45	endafy	I have no idea what bootloader I am using
2024-04-04 22:52:56	Namarrgon	that's the problem with installation scripts
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2024-04-04 22:53:17	endafy	its on the vanilla arch iso
2024-04-04 22:53:41	Namarrgon	shred is also on the arch iso
2024-04-04 22:53:47	teraflops	endafy: not so many options I guess, either grub or systemd-boot
2024-04-04 22:53:49	endafy	what is shred
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2024-04-04 22:54:01	Namarrgon	that lesson is for tomorrow
2024-04-04 22:54:09	endafy	well I dont see anything for grub so systemd-boot
2024-04-04 22:54:10	Namarrgon	take a look at the boot partition
2024-04-04 22:54:43	endafy	EFI  intel-ucode.img  loader  vmlinuz-linux
2024-04-04 22:54:53	Namarrgon	that's systemd-boot then
2024-04-04 22:54:57	endafy	tyvm
2024-04-04 22:55:32	endafy	I wish google were easier to use
2024-04-04 22:56:04	endafy	all I see is options for grub
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2024-04-04 22:56:06	endafy	lol
2024-04-04 22:56:31	Namarrgon	open the "linux" entry in a text editor
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2024-04-04 22:56:53	endafy	vmlinuz-linux?
2024-04-04 22:57:12	Namarrgon	no, that's the kernel. the entry *.conf is somewhere in /boot/loader
2024-04-04 22:57:16	endafy	all I see is garbled text
2024-04-04 22:58:11	endafy	opening arch-linux.efi in kate gives me garbletygook
2024-04-04 22:58:33	endafy	there is no .conf file in the Linux folder
2024-04-04 22:59:01	teraflops	find /boot -name "*.conf"
2024-04-04 22:59:17	teraflops	or tree /boot
2024-04-04 22:59:38	endafy	ty /boot/loader/loader.conf
2024-04-04 22:59:44	teraflops	that's it
2024-04-04 22:59:45	Namarrgon	no, that's the wrong one
2024-04-04 22:59:56	Namarrgon	that is the config for the bootloader itself, not for an entry
2024-04-04 23:00:08	endafy	thats all there is
2024-04-04 23:00:09	teraflops	ah true
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2024-04-04 23:00:58	Namarrgon	does /boot/loader/entries exist?
2024-04-04 23:01:30	endafy	no
2024-04-04 23:01:32	Namarrgon	does archinstall set up a UKI nowadays?
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2024-04-04 23:01:42	endafy	what's UKI?
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2024-04-04 23:01:51	Namarrgon	what is in /boot/EFI/Linux ?
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2024-04-04 23:02:15	endafy	arch-linux.efi  arch-linux-fallback.efi [owner@archlinux Linux]$
2024-04-04 23:02:44	Namarrgon	does /etc/cmdline.d exist?
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2024-04-04 23:03:02	endafy	no
2024-04-04 23:03:27	Namarrgon	what about /etc/kernel?
2024-04-04 23:03:42	endafy	yes its in kernel
2024-04-04 23:03:53	endafy	cmdline  install.d
2024-04-04 23:04:09	Namarrgon	add the new kernel parameter to the end of the others and then rebuild the uki images
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2024-04-04 23:04:32	endafy	cryptdevice=PARTUUID=52a13e24-6aa5-4b3c-8f29-b145e91f83c5:root root=/dev/mapper/root zswap.enabled=0 rw rootfstype=ext4 is all thats in this file
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2024-04-04 23:05:34	endafy	ok this is way above my paygrade
2024-04-04 23:05:39	endafy	this is where I give up
2024-04-04 23:05:44	endafy	xorg is fine
2024-04-04 23:05:45	endafy	lol
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2024-04-04 23:05:54	endafy	it should not be this hard
2024-04-04 23:06:18	endafy	thanks a lot Namarrgon but I am beyond lost
2024-04-04 23:06:27	teraflops	it is, it's just they had to guess what the arch install script did
2024-04-04 23:06:43	teraflops	you are almost there
2024-04-04 23:06:44	endafy	yeah I will reinstall it properly later
2024-04-04 23:06:49	Namarrgon	you should have started with the regular Installation Guide and a simpler set up
2024-04-04 23:06:51	endafy	idk what or where to put things
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2024-04-04 23:07:08	teraflops	after the ext4 bit
2024-04-04 23:07:10	endafy	yeah I will redo it
2024-04-04 23:07:15	Namarrgon	now you're dealing with too many unknown systems and we can't help you either since we don't know what you did or what the script did
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2024-04-04 23:07:17	teraflops	;(
2024-04-04 23:07:19	endafy	so after ext4 I put nomodeset
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2024-04-04 23:08:47	Namarrgon	that disables modesetting, that's the opposite of what you want
2024-04-04 23:09:00	endafy	so cryptdevice=PARTUUID=52a13e24-6aa5-4b3c-8f29-b145e91f83c5:root root=/dev/mapper/root zswap.enabled=0 rw rootfstype=ext4 modeset=1 ???
2024-04-04 23:09:13	Namarrgon	no, the kernel parameters are on the nvidia page
2024-04-04 23:09:25	endafy	le sigh
2024-04-04 23:09:29	endafy	this is making no sense
2024-04-04 23:09:39	endafy	I blame me
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2024-04-04 23:10:11	Namarrgon	"To verify nvidia_drm.modeset=1 was correctly applied after a reboot, execute the following: "
2024-04-04 23:10:33	endafy	cryptdevice=PARTUUID=52a13e24-6aa5-4b3c-8f29-b145e91f83c5:root root=/dev/mapper/root zswap.enabled=0 rw rootfstype=ext4 modeset=1 <- is this what it should look like?
2024-04-04 23:10:45	Namarrgon	no
2024-04-04 23:10:58	endafy	you said to put it there
2024-04-04 23:11:22	Namarrgon	the option is not complete
2024-04-04 23:11:44	endafy	cryptdevice=PARTUUID=52a13e24-6aa5-4b3c-8f29-b145e91f83c5:root root=/dev/mapper/root zswap.enabled=0 rw rootfstype=ext4 nvidia_drm.modeset=1 <- is this what it should look like?
2024-04-04 23:11:49	Namarrgon	better
2024-04-04 23:12:04	endafy	so I just save and reboot?
2024-04-04 23:12:23	Namarrgon	you save and then we start figuring out what was used to build the kernel image
2024-04-04 23:12:36	endafy	ah ok
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2024-04-04 23:13:26	endafy	do I just run mkinitcpio?
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2024-04-04 23:13:47	Namarrgon	i don't know whether mkinitcpio was used
2024-04-04 23:14:18	endafy	I see
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2024-04-04 23:14:59	Namarrgon	pacman -Q systemd-ukify
2024-04-04 23:15:05	teraflops	endafy: tree /etc/pacman.d/hooks/
2024-04-04 23:15:11	teraflops	!paste
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2024-04-04 23:15:41	endafy	tree command not found
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2024-04-04 23:15:58	teraflops	u have to install it
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2024-04-04 23:16:08	avu	or just use ls -R
2024-04-04 23:16:13	teraflops	yeah
2024-04-04 23:16:43	endafy	no such file or directory
2024-04-04 23:17:03	teraflops	worth a try
2024-04-04 23:17:14	endafy	I asked in the #archinstall room
2024-04-04 23:17:16	endafy	lol
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2024-04-04 23:17:37	endafy	"quick question, using the archinstall script, I managed to install the uki, does archinstall use mdam or mkinitcpio?"
2024-04-04 23:17:37	teraflops	yeah
2024-04-04 23:18:59	endafy	no answer worth a shot
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2024-04-04 23:20:59	endafy	https://pastebin.com/rVPYehPu
2024-04-04 23:21:00	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ /
2024-04-04 23:21:01	phrik	Title: Hardware model detected: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-7D98; UEFI mode: - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-04-04 23:21:10	endafy	thats the log from archinstall
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2024-04-04 23:23:22	endafy	I dont see anything relating to how it builds the kernel
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2024-04-04 23:24:04	teraflops	I'm with emiya my laptop is good enough to not even being able to open pastebin.com
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2024-04-04 23:24:37	mpan	gehidore: EMIYA bork!
2024-04-04 23:24:53	mpan	(see at :21)
2024-04-04 23:24:59	endafy	!paste
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2024-04-04 23:25:59	endafy	https://paste.rs/Fltbu.txt
2024-04-04 23:26:01	phrik	Title: Source Code | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
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2024-04-04 23:26:55	endafy	I dont see anywhere mentioned as to how it builds the kernel
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2024-04-04 23:29:32	endafy	why is google so useless
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2024-04-04 23:30:14	endafy	aight this is where I get off, you said I am close but I feel like I am like 10 miles from the finish line
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2024-04-04 23:31:46	endafy	ok it uses mkinitcpio
2024-04-04 23:31:51	endafy	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_kernel_image
2024-04-04 23:31:53	phrik	Title: Unified kernel image - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-04 23:32:17	endafy	"rchinstall now follows the guidance set out by the Arch Linux Wiki for how to properly handle UKIs as a single executable that can be booted directly from UEFI firmware. "
2024-04-04 23:32:37	endafy	so with mkinitcpio, how do I rebuild the UKI
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2024-04-04 23:33:17	endafy	do I just "sudo mkinitcpio"?
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2024-04-04 23:35:05	endafy	==> Dry run complete, use -g IMAGE to generate a real image where is the image? is that in /boot/?
2024-04-04 23:35:09	teraflops	I do not know to be honest, try sudo mkinitcpio -P, reboot and check
2024-04-04 23:36:04	endafy	==> Unified kernel image generation successful thanks a ton
2024-04-04 23:36:15	endafy	if I am not back in 15 minutes, assume it borked itself
2024-04-04 23:36:22	endafy	and I will be installing arch by hand
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2024-04-04 23:36:38	teraflops	now you know how it was setup!
2024-04-04 23:37:10	endafy	idk how it setup uki (probably a setting I chose without thinking and going "yeah that sounds great!")
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2024-04-04 23:38:39	pounce	can anybody help me figure out why `eglinfo` says my renderer is radeonsi, but my x11 renderer (glxinfo) is llvmpipe
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2024-04-04 23:39:04	endafy	that worked
2024-04-04 23:39:08	endafy	wayland works now
2024-04-04 23:39:15	teraflops	endafy: thanks Namarrgon ;)
2024-04-04 23:39:38	endafy	yes thank you so much Namarrgon
2024-04-04 23:39:47	pounce	eglinfo -B : https://0x0.st/Xi-o.txt
2024-04-04 23:39:59	endafy	I am sure if I were a smart boy I would have at least made note of things
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2024-04-04 23:40:31	Namarrgon	pounce: this is the support channel for arch linux, forks are not supported here
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2024-04-04 23:40:43	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-04 23:40:43	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1464 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1463 regular)
2024-04-04 23:40:43	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-04 23:40:47	pounce	Namarrgon: im running arch
2024-04-04 23:41:12	Namarrgon	pacman -Q mesa
2024-04-04 23:41:31	pounce	mesa 1:24.0.3-2
2024-04-04 23:41:33	Namarrgon	endafy: you're welcome
2024-04-04 23:42:08	Namarrgon	update your system
2024-04-04 23:42:10	endafy	I really appreciate your patience with me lol
2024-04-04 23:42:29	pounce	it's been doing this for several months, but lemme check after an update
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2024-04-04 23:45:33	endafy	pounce whats the issue?
2024-04-04 23:46:31	pounce	ok back: mesa 1:24.0.4-2
2024-04-04 23:46:39	pounce	but again this has been happening since feb
2024-04-04 23:46:44	endafy	whats the issue
2024-04-04 23:47:16	endafy	yay I can finally use hyprland! woot!
2024-04-04 23:47:21	pounce	counter strike stopped working a few months ago. it says bad renderer. it's an x11 application, so it appears to be rendering by llvmpipe which doesn't support the right openGL calls, even though my gpu does
2024-04-04 23:47:43	endafy	running wayland?
2024-04-04 23:47:51	pounce	well yeah
2024-04-04 23:48:38	endafy	do you have xwayland installed?
2024-04-04 23:48:45	pounce	yes
2024-04-04 23:49:01	pounce	i've been using wayland for 8 years, and cs has worked fine most of that time
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2024-04-04 23:50:23	endafy	silly question, having just dealt with it myself, do you have modeset=1 configured?
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2024-04-04 23:51:00	Namarrgon	you don't need that with the oss drivers
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2024-04-04 23:51:09	endafy	my hyprland machine running the 7800xt gpu needs it as well
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2024-04-04 23:51:20	Namarrgon	no, it does not
2024-04-04 23:51:29	pounce	i am pretty sure that modesetting is enabled
2024-04-04 23:51:59	Namarrgon	do you have any of the xf86-video packages installed?
2024-04-04 23:52:12	endafy	known bug https://github.com/ValveSoftware/csgo-osx-linux/issues/3402
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2024-04-04 23:53:46	Namarrgon	endafy: no mention of "modeset"
2024-04-04 23:53:54	cake37	cs2 works for me pretty well under wayland
2024-04-04 23:54:17	endafy	SDL_VIDEO_DRIVER=wayland fixed it on my amd system Namarrgon
2024-04-04 23:54:18	pounce	cake37: yeah that's why i think my system is borked
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2024-04-04 23:54:28	endafy	that was easier than fiddling with nvidia
2024-04-04 23:54:49	endafy	I am way more familiar with how AMD does things
2024-04-04 23:54:56	cake37	yeah in steam click on open game directory, then edit cs.sh script and find the line that says video_driver=x11 and change it to wayland
2024-04-04 23:55:31	pounce	Namarrgon: no
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2024-04-04 23:55:54	pounce	i assume -amdgpu is correct here
2024-04-04 23:56:11	Namarrgon	no, you shouldn't need it
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2024-04-04 23:56:15	endafy	yeah I will continue to game using xorg and when using my desktop I will use xorg, getting some random glitchiness in games on wayland
2024-04-04 23:56:35	pounce	endafy: i think that is OT for this discussion
2024-04-04 23:56:58	endafy	er use wayland for my desktop usage
2024-04-04 23:57:03	endafy	what? not really
2024-04-04 23:57:26	gehidore	grawity EMIYA repaste looks broken
2024-04-04 23:58:21	endafy	pounce like I loaded in CD:GO and it was smooth fps and all but as I moved my camera around, it freaked out
2024-04-04 23:58:32	endafy	then crashed
2024-04-05 00:00:05	endafy	I have no audio either
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2024-04-05 00:00:22	pounce	again, i've been playing games like counter strike in wayland for many years
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2024-04-05 00:00:44	pounce	it might cause problems for you, but it hasn't for me so i think that you're talking about different issues
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2024-04-05 00:02:46	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-05 00:03:15	pounce	am i right that llvmpipe shouldn't be mentioned in glxinfo? or is this really a red herring
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2024-04-05 00:04:17	Namarrgon	it should not be there, it's a software renderer
2024-04-05 00:04:24	pounce	ok that's what i was thinking
2024-04-05 00:04:41	endafy	wow wayland is SO much smoother than xorg, glad to know its come this far
2024-04-05 00:04:42	pounce	but clearly my gpu driver hasn't crashed, bc it's used for wayland
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2024-04-05 00:04:53	pounce	and there are no errors in dmesg
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2024-04-05 00:05:28	teraflops	pounce: you should get something like this https://paste.priet.us/fboo/
2024-04-05 00:05:36	Namarrgon	you don't have another nvidia gpu in that system?
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2024-04-05 00:05:48	pounce	nope, it's only one card
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2024-04-05 00:06:08	Niinu	your gpu might have an igpu which is why llvmpipe works
2024-04-05 00:06:14	pounce	i think there are embedded graphics though?
2024-04-05 00:06:15	endafy	it looks like its trying to run on the invel igpu
2024-04-05 00:06:15	Namarrgon	pounce: are you on sway?
2024-04-05 00:06:16	pounce	yeah
2024-04-05 00:06:18	pounce	yes
2024-04-05 00:06:21	Niinu	i mean cpu could have an igpu
2024-04-05 00:06:30	Namarrgon	pounce: https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/7897
2024-04-05 00:06:37	endafy	go into your bios and disable the intel igpu
2024-04-05 00:06:41	teraflops	ouch
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2024-04-05 00:07:32	Niinu	but if its defaulting to the igpu you might boot into black screen so check u have radeonsi.so in /usr/lib/dri
2024-04-05 00:07:41	teraflops	it's a bug
2024-04-05 00:07:44	endafy	also check to ensure the hdmi cable is plugged into your gpu, once upon a time my room mate and I would mess with each other and he moved my HDMI cable to the motherboard and I used my PC like that for months, and because I rarely game I never noticed
2024-04-05 00:07:45	teraflops	pasted above
2024-04-05 00:07:55	pounce	yeah i think that's the bug thx
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2024-04-05 00:08:45	pounce	oh it's due to the wl_drm phase-out
2024-04-05 00:09:05	pounce	so maybe i can use the debug flag for now
2024-04-05 00:11:22	endafy	I started to buy F intel SKUs... I hope AMD follows suit soon
2024-04-05 00:11:35	Namarrgon	pounce: pacman -Q sway
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2024-04-05 00:13:04	pounce	hold on rebooting
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2024-04-05 00:14:39	pounce	can confirm that `sway -Dlegacy-wl-drm` fixes the bug
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2024-04-05 00:15:49	pounce	thanks Namarrgon thanks teraflops :>
2024-04-05 00:16:15	Namarrgon	are you using an unofficial sway package?
2024-04-05 00:16:33	pounce	dagnabbit
2024-04-05 00:16:35	pounce	yes
2024-04-05 00:16:37	pounce	i forgor
2024-04-05 00:17:27	Namarrgon	switch back to the official one unless you want to participate in bug squashing
2024-04-05 00:18:45	pounce	yep my bad :p
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2024-04-05 00:22:27	pounce	im back on the official package, because i care about your oppinion Namarrgon 
2024-04-05 00:22:33	teraflops	heh
2024-04-05 00:22:45	Namarrgon	!give pounce cookie
2024-04-05 00:22:46	phrik	pounce: Namarrgon wanted you to have this cookie. 🍪
2024-04-05 00:22:53	pounce	♥\
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2024-04-05 00:58:13	`ryban	Greetings!
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2024-04-05 01:03:06	mpan	`ryban: hello! If you have any questions, just ask. If anybody knows, they will respond.
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2024-04-05 14:14:27	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-05 14:14:27	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1458 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1457 regular)
2024-04-05 09:12:25	edu4rdshl	greentail, surely people can
2024-04-05 09:12:38	moake	Iv'e tried to install it like I said I messed it up at the last moment, just like now
2024-04-05 09:12:43	edu4rdshl	But, you know, there's lazy people who don't want to read anything, like someone here
2024-04-05 09:13:10	archdemon	moake: then thats when you read the wiki and fix your install
2024-04-05 09:13:11	moake	it's not that I don't want to read, it's the fact that the information can be complex and misinterpreted 
2024-04-05 09:13:23	edu4rdshl	If you don't want to click a link to see what you can use, just use another thing like Debian where you have a installer
2024-04-05 09:13:24	Tom^	greentail: gdisk!
2024-04-05 09:13:25	edu4rdshl	Easy
2024-04-05 09:13:42	moake	the video had tons of links
2024-04-05 09:13:51	moake	just saying.... 
2024-04-05 09:14:26	moake	I tried my best, I couldn't get it up and running.... not with my knowledge base of linux
2024-04-05 09:14:43	edu4rdshl	Use something else then, or try until you get it working
2024-04-05 09:14:44	moake	i'm sure you guys could have fixed it in 3-4 commands
2024-04-05 09:14:55	greentail	wait, Debian default installer is a GUI? I thought Debian had the same philosophy of Arch of using the CLI? 
2024-04-05 09:14:57	edu4rdshl	moake, but sadly that's not ArchLinux
2024-04-05 09:15:04	moake	I already used debian, ubuntu, openSUSE, etc
2024-04-05 09:15:07	edu4rdshl	So it isn't supported here
2024-04-05 09:15:07	wunit	greentail: it has a TUI
2024-04-05 09:15:40	wunit	(though it has the same TUI with fancier graphical elements as well, I guess that's a GUI)
2024-04-05 09:15:40	moake	edu4rdshl: yeah, more gate keeping, awesome.
2024-04-05 09:16:01	edu4rdshl	It's just the rules. It's like going to Debian asking Ubuntu questions and so on
2024-04-05 09:16:04	moake	you know im just going to change my I.P and nick and come back in here anyway so 
2024-04-05 09:16:13	moake	its the same distro.
2024-04-05 09:16:17	archdemon	moake: not gatekeeping because he's telling you that you wont get support here for because you are using archlinux-arm
2024-04-05 09:16:18	edu4rdshl	No, it isn't
2024-04-05 09:16:40	archdemon	minus the for
2024-04-05 09:17:02	moake	it still has the same packages, or at least most of them, the same repos, etc
2024-04-05 09:17:05	greentail	moake, javascript is not the same as java  
2024-04-05 09:17:06	archdemon	thats a whole different channel and support
2024-04-05 09:17:31	archdemon	moake: then you wont have any problems getting help in that channel
2024-04-05 09:18:03	moake	I just want to use my tablet to learn some linux and you guys are throwing a fit instead of helping me because its 'arm64'
2024-04-05 09:18:08	moake	that's pretty sad
2024-04-05 09:18:35	moake	for example my question I had, the fix is the exact same for Real arch, or ARM
2024-04-05 09:18:40	archdemon	whats sad is that you think you should get help in a channel not for what you are doing
2024-04-05 09:18:42	moake	the answer is rather
2024-04-05 09:19:04	moake	well you wouldn't help me regardless you made it clear from the very beginning
2024-04-05 09:19:05	archdemon	read the wiki and join that channel 
2024-04-05 09:19:17	moake	there's 20 people in that channel
2024-04-05 09:19:21	edu4rdshl	Because it's a completely different Linux distro with completely different build process, modified PKGBUILDs, configurations added, etc. That's the reason
2024-04-05 09:19:41	moake	so you know the differences then what's the issue
2024-04-05 09:19:47	moake	i dont get it, i really dont
2024-04-05 09:19:52	edu4rdshl	That it isn't Arch, clearly
2024-04-05 09:20:00	edu4rdshl	That's the issue, and it's against the rules :)
2024-04-05 09:20:11	greentail	moake, you should talk to those 20 people 
2024-04-05 09:20:27	edu4rdshl	It's the ArchLinux support channel and you're asking for something that is not ArchLinux
2024-04-05 09:20:28	wunit	moake: because this community has knowledge and experience with arch linux, and trying to help everyone else (1) wastes time here and (2) deprives the other communities from the exchange --- it's a lose-lose situation
2024-04-05 09:20:47	moake	the distro is still arch linux, like it or not ill argue that point
2024-04-05 09:20:59	moake	and the channel is arch linux
2024-04-05 09:21:12	edu4rdshl	The distro isn't ArchLinux...
2024-04-05 09:21:22	Tom^	moake: #linux
2024-04-05 09:21:28	moake	alright fine
2024-04-05 09:21:41	edu4rdshl	ArchLinux only has x86-64 support, to start
2024-04-05 09:22:06	greentail	what does "86" stand for in "x86"?  
2024-04-05 09:22:28	moake	the cpu architecture 
2024-04-05 09:22:38	edu4rdshl	The instructions set, greentail 
2024-04-05 09:23:53	moake	ill just make another user and try to load the script to get into X11 then
2024-04-05 09:24:22	moake	like is it really that hard to tell someone?
2024-04-05 09:24:32	greentail	 oh, the "86" stands for the Intel 8086, the 16-bit microprocessor
2024-04-05 09:24:51	moake	yes, the cpu architecture, 
2024-04-05 09:25:56	greentail	x86 is the architecture, 8086 is the 16-bit microprocessor from 1978
2024-04-05 09:26:03	bookworm	moake: can you stop whining... This community has rules, you happen to disagree, Arch won't care, this channel had this exact discussion a million times, can we move on?
2024-04-05 09:26:05	greentail	from the year 1978
2024-04-05 09:26:51	moake	bookworm is mad I got an answer right
2024-04-05 09:26:58	moake	you can move on
2024-04-05 09:28:14	Erus_Iluvatar	no one is "mad", you're still lingering on a topic everyone asked you to move from
2024-04-05 09:28:54	moake	yeah, you're trying to kick me out of the channel, of course im mad, because you know the answer and purposely wont help me
2024-04-05 09:28:57	moake	what do you expect
2024-04-05 09:29:09	wunit	that people move on
2024-04-05 09:29:26	bookworm	for you to follow the community guidelines of the community you happen to join 
2024-04-05 09:29:39	archdemon	lol whos trying to kick you?
2024-04-05 09:29:45	Erus_Iluvatar	moake: chroot-specific setup for a derivative distribution is not something you can expect us to be familiar with
2024-04-05 09:30:22	moake	just because I happened to choose to install my distro on another device, thats all. fair enough
2024-04-05 09:30:32	Erus_Iluvatar	on a non-supported device, yes
2024-04-05 09:31:12	Erus_Iluvatar	same if you were asking advice for a non-64bit system
2024-04-05 09:31:42	edu4rdshl	Or even on a x86-64 system with some ArchLinux-based distro
2024-04-05 09:31:51	edu4rdshl	The rules are there, that's it
2024-04-05 09:32:13	moake	"Community technical support shall only be provided for the Arch Linux distribution and the Arch User Repository"
2024-04-05 09:32:55	bookworm	!give moake alarm
2024-04-05 09:32:55	phrik	moake: #archlinuxarm
2024-04-05 09:35:02	rawhide	6.8.3 had problems didn't it?
2024-04-05 09:35:03	moake	I asked that question in linux and they said " I guess that means just run it with a different user"
2024-04-05 09:35:06	moake	so hard... 
2024-04-05 09:35:29	archdemon	moake: you could have also googled and got your answer
2024-04-05 09:35:39	edu4rdshl	rawhide, a couple, yes
2024-04-05 09:35:49	edu4rdshl	6.8.4 is already there
2024-04-05 09:35:59	moake	or you could have taken 10 seconds to explain it to me, but I digress, I did google it
2024-04-05 09:36:09	moake	https://github.com/termux/proot-distro/discussions/325
2024-04-05 09:36:10	edu4rdshl	Tbh, the 6.8.x kernel has been a mess since .2
2024-04-05 09:36:34	moake	what a clear and concise answer.
2024-04-05 09:37:14	bookworm	edu4rdshl: in what sense?
2024-04-05 09:37:19	archdemon	sounds like you just want to argue
2024-04-05 09:38:47	edu4rdshl	bookworm, .2 had issues with some devices, causing them to not be recognized if you unplugged/plugged they again. Exactly, with yubikeys. .3 caused some important regressions, so we have .4 now
2024-04-05 09:39:00	moake	no sir, I just wanted a pointer in the right direction, that's all
2024-04-05 09:39:20	archdemon	and we did point you to the right channel
2024-04-05 09:39:25	moake	anyway, good luck with arch linux, maybe one day i'll install it on my backup laptop
2024-04-05 09:39:26	archdemon	you just didnt want to go
2024-04-05 09:40:29	moake	I am in those channels and someone took 10 seconds to say the most easy thing they could have, and it helped, so now ill make another user
2024-04-05 09:40:36	moake	thats the only thing I can do so
2024-04-05 09:40:38	bookworm	heh, got lucky then. Didn't notice any breakage myself
2024-04-05 09:49:22	moake	so for example if I ask how you change users in arch linux, the commands will be the same 
2024-04-05 09:49:47	moake	but I cant ask that here now can I, so im going to other places
2024-04-05 09:49:59	_256	Why are you still talking about this?
2024-04-05 09:50:39	moake	because its principal... its the same thing.... just letting you know that
2024-04-05 09:50:53	edu4rdshl	/part is a nice command
2024-04-05 09:51:38	bookworm	but I really, *really* want a BigMac and I don't gove a damn that I'm in a burger king restaurant tantrum
2024-04-05 09:52:01	moake	so is using a hotspot to change your ip.
2024-04-05 09:52:04	moake	its real nice
2024-04-05 09:52:15	moake	anyway, have fun guys, im out
2024-04-05 09:52:39	Erus_Iluvatar	bookworm++
2024-04-05 09:53:03	_256	... Did they threaten to ban evade before leaving? Even though no one banned them?
2024-04-05 09:53:14	Erus_Iluvatar	!shrug
2024-04-05 09:53:15	phrik	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2024-04-05 10:04:14	Gnana	o/
2024-04-05 11:27:15	hoho	!paste
2024-04-05 11:27:15	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-05 11:43:56	Luyin	is there a specific place to ask AUR-related questions or is it okay here? I get a weird error when I'm trying to build slack-desktop: Cannot find the debugedit binary required for including source files in debug packages.
2024-04-05 11:45:04	Namarrgon	you don't have base-devel installed?
2024-04-05 11:45:16	Luyin	hmmm, I should
2024-04-05 11:45:30	Namarrgon	pacman -Q base-devel
2024-04-05 11:45:31	Luyin	let me check, maybe I accidentally removed something when trying to clean up because my / partition is very full
2024-04-05 11:45:42	wunit	Luyin: have you installed base-devel before or after it became a meta-package?
2024-04-05 11:46:10	Luyin	huh, not installed. maybe before then. (I'm on a secondary computer I don't use that often, might have forgot to change stuff here)
2024-04-05 11:46:41	Luyin	seems to work now, thanks :)
2024-04-05 11:47:34	Luyin	ah nice
2024-04-05 11:53:41	printfdebugging	Hi, if I have arch installed on my laptop ssd, can I just transfer it to my pc, and use the same arch installation, or will it break?
2024-04-05 11:55:25	pog	it is possible, i've done it
2024-04-05 11:55:27	Namarrgon	you could but some of the duplicated "unique" IDs will probably come to bite you the future
2024-04-05 11:55:32	pog	yeah
2024-04-05 11:56:00	Namarrgon	i would just install fresh and only copy over what you really need, mostly configs in ~
2024-04-05 12:01:32	printfdebugging	So I just copy the home directory then?
2024-04-05 12:02:02	Namarrgon	if you want the whole thing, yes
2024-04-05 12:03:38	Luyin	might be even better to not copy all of it but selectively - so that you don't have borked cache values or stuff. YMMV though
2024-04-05 12:04:17	espresso	I did actually transfer an old-ish arch install to a new machine which seemed to work perfectly for months. But then I reinstall every few years anyway.
2024-04-05 12:05:41	Luyin	what I did was mount a borg repo locally and copy over the ~ bits I wanted, and build the rest from scratch
2024-04-05 12:05:45	Luyin	(years ago)
2024-04-05 12:05:51	printfdebugging	I have been writting scripts to install my dwm in and everything just from one `sh install.sh`, but the configs are too heavy on the git repository.
2024-04-05 12:06:16	printfdebugging	I better keep the home directory in a separate drive, that would make things easy
2024-04-05 12:06:43	espresso	I would have a backup of at least /etc and /home to help configure the new install.
2024-04-05 12:24:28	tatsumaru	noob question: just started learning more about git. supposedly when you alter a file on a secondary branch in a way that conflicts with the file on the original branch, unless you commit that change you should get an error that warns you that this change will be overwritten by the original branch. however when I tried that I just got a modified file that was chasing me across branches and was
2024-04-05 12:24:28	tatsumaru	showing the latest changes on all branche
2024-04-05 12:24:28	tatsumaru	s. this is very odd. I don't seem to have autostashing enabled either. any clues?
2024-04-05 12:25:11	tyler82	I have some data transfer issue....
2024-04-05 12:34:45	wunit	tatsumaru: can you rephrase that a bit? just editing the file won't give any warnings, but Git might complain if you then try to switch to another branch without having committed your changes
2024-04-05 12:35:17	tyler82	I am currently achieving 80-90 mebibyte/sec transfer speed. Source: arch linux samsung 4 TB ssd and target: Synology 218+ with 8TB Seagate ironwolf pro. PC linked with cat5e cable to router and router also linked with the NAS.
2024-04-05 12:35:17	tyler82	But i want improve this at least 500-600 mebibyte/s. I use Samba. Set it up in synology nas. Smb2 and smb3 protocol. I use KDE Dolphin as Nemo does not support samba...🙄Any idea how could i achieve better transfer speed? 🤔🧐
2024-04-05 12:35:57	espresso	tatsumaru: or 'git stash' them first?
2024-04-05 12:36:08	tatsumaru	wunit: figured it out with the help of git people. I didn't realize that unless you commit a modified file at least once, it doesn't belong to any branch, thus there's no conflict.
2024-04-05 12:36:41	wunit	ah yes, if the file doesn't exist in another branch, Git won't complain when you switch to a different branch :-)
2024-04-05 12:36:47	tatsumaru	once I committed the modified file to the second branch and THEN tried to change it and switch without committing again, then I got the error
2024-04-05 12:40:35	piousminion	Hi, haven't booted this dm-crypt/plain laptop in a while and when trying to unlock on boot it warns me of defaults being changed and unlocking fails.  Where can I find the old defaults for cryptsetup?
2024-04-05 12:49:13	Namarrgon	piousminion: the defaults are only important when creating the container, not when unlocking it.
2024-04-05 12:49:27	Namarrgon	what did cryptsetup warn you about exactly?
2024-04-05 12:53:12	espresso	tyler82: I think that Synology model is 1 gigabit? so around 120 MiB/s ?
2024-04-05 12:55:05	Namarrgon	tyler82: a magnetic disk will not do 500-600mebibyte/s either
2024-04-05 12:55:47	piousminion	Namarrgon: I'm using plain mode.  I've been fairly certain the options matter when unlocking as well.  The message at boot basically said that the defaults for some options, some of which I left blank, have changed.  I can get the EXACT wording if need be.
2024-04-05 12:55:54	tyler82	Namarrgon: 😬 That does not sounds good....
2024-04-05 12:56:54	Namarrgon	tyler82: the cheapest option is an ssd in a usb3 enclsure if you really need that speed
2024-04-05 12:57:12	Namarrgon	piousminion: that's the fun part of "plain" dmcrypt
2024-04-05 12:57:48	piousminion	aye
2024-04-05 12:58:04	another|	plantroon: `cryptsetup --help` has the current defaults at the end
2024-04-05 12:58:31	piousminion	I know the "current".  I want to know what the old defaults were. :P
2024-04-05 12:58:35	tyler82	Namarrgon: Actually i have one.Benfei. So u saying if i take out the ssd from the laptop and plug directly to the NAS could improve the speed? 🤔
2024-04-05 12:58:40	another|	eihter go through the changelog or start a container with an old build
2024-04-05 12:58:42	plantroon	another|: can confirm... tho u didnt wanna mention me probly
2024-04-05 12:59:02	espresso	tyler82: 120MiB ethernet would seem to be much more limiting than the HDs..
2024-04-05 12:59:04	Namarrgon	tyler82: no, you're still limited to whatever the network supports, which is much less than 600mbit/s
2024-04-05 12:59:13	another|	plantroon: oops. sorry. autocomplete similar name + same colour
2024-04-05 13:00:04	Namarrgon	piousminion: https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup/-/tree/main/docs?ref_type=heads
2024-04-05 13:00:22	tyler82	espresso: But cat5e cables do not support up to 1000mb/s?
2024-04-05 13:00:39	espresso	<espresso> tyler82: I think that Synology model is 1 gigabit? so around 120 MiB/s ?
2024-04-05 13:01:11	wunit	(+ also the router inbetween, potentially)
2024-04-05 13:01:57	tyler82	espresso: yeah...i am checking now the ds218+ datasheet now.... I am confused. How come is that? 🤔
2024-04-05 13:02:43	piousminion	Namarrgon: thanks. :)
2024-04-05 13:02:59	tyler82	wunit: yes. the router is asus ac86 so should support up to 1gb/s...
2024-04-05 13:11:12	espresso	tyler82: I presume that is just a normal price-performance tradeoff that partly defines the model. 1 gigabit/s comes to just under 120 mebibytes/s (or 125MB)
2024-04-05 13:14:17	tyler82	espresso: i did not know that....but how has been calculated  that?  this 1 gigabit/s is only for WAN downloading but not for LAN data transfer?? 🤔🤨
2024-04-05 13:17:13	wunit	tyler82: 1 gigabit/s *is* about 120 MiB/s (8 bit = 1 byte)
2024-04-05 13:18:19	wunit	plus if you factor in protocol overheads (ethernet/ip/tcp headers), I would not realistically expect more than about 100MiB/s on a 1Gbit/s link
2024-04-05 13:18:26	espresso	tyler82: wunit is correct. also a limitation on an interface applies to all going through, so both LAN and WAN
2024-04-05 13:19:54	tyler82	espresso: Hmmm. Okay. Thanks guys anyway. 👍
2024-04-05 13:21:34	tyler82	So actually that 80-90 MiB/s what i am getting now is normal...
2024-04-05 13:24:19	piousminion	The OLD hash default for dm-crypt plain was RIPEMD160 and is now sha256.  Changing that fixed my issue. :P
2024-04-05 13:26:02	espresso	tyler82: it seems normal to me, with our gigabit LAN. some of our connectsions can be slower even, perhaps due to cabling
2024-04-05 13:28:39	tyler82	espresso: So if i correct, even if the router and the eth.cable would support 10gigabit/s but the network does not support, then I will not getting higher transfer rate?  I mean if the network is the smallest cross-section.
2024-04-05 13:28:42	piousminion	Namarrgon: thanks for link to changelog.  system boots now. :)
2024-04-05 13:30:15	GuiToris	hi, could anyone make ff2mpv to work?
2024-04-05 13:30:34	GuiToris	I installed the chome extension as well as ff2mpv-rust from AUR
2024-04-05 13:30:55	wunit	tyler82: "the network" is the collection of cables and devices between the source and the destination :-)
2024-04-05 13:31:00	GuiToris	I was kind of lost with the manuals so I did $ ff2mpv-rust manifest_chromium > ~/.config/ff2mpv-rust.json
2024-04-05 13:31:02	jelle	tyler82: you are limited by disk speed, and protocol overhead of SMB
2024-04-05 13:31:16	GuiToris	I don't know if I was supposed to do this or not
2024-04-05 13:31:26	GuiToris	$ ff2mpv-rust validate says Config is valid!
2024-04-05 13:31:29	espresso	tyler82: if the NAS has only 1 gigabit interface, that is the limit to/from the NAS at least
2024-04-05 13:31:40	wunit	tyler82: but yeah, if you wanna get 10Gbit, it would also require 10Gbit support on Synology (both NIC and the disk) and on your PC
2024-04-05 13:32:01	GuiToris	but Play in MPV is still not working
2024-04-05 13:33:25	tyler82	wunit: Okay....i was meaning the ISP provided network speed...😊 But i am wrong. I got it now. 
2024-04-05 13:34:13	tyler82	wunit: Ok. And as far as i know rhis DS218+ does not support that...
2024-04-05 13:34:41	tyler82	espresso: yep. i see.
2024-04-05 13:35:48	jelle	switching to 10Gbit/s  is silly
2024-04-05 13:35:55	tatsumaru	everywhere else I type ctrl + backspace, removes the whole phrase or moves the pointer by a whole phrase, except in terminal (bash) where I have to use alt for the same effect instead. is there anyway to change that to ctrl there as well,and is that a bad idea?
2024-04-05 13:38:55	tyler82	jelle: why?
2024-04-05 13:39:12	jelle	tyler82: it is expensive, you are likely first limited by your harddrive
2024-04-05 13:39:19	jelle	(or ssd)
2024-04-05 13:40:31	tyler82	jelle: but if u can use atvleastc50-60percent then already good. sata max 600MB/s. And nvmes are faster. Or? 
2024-04-05 13:41:41	jelle	tyler82: and the cpu overhead?
2024-04-05 13:41:48	demonicmaniac1	GuiToris: i use the standard python one which works for me
2024-04-05 13:43:01	demonicmaniac1	GuiToris: what's your ~/.config/chromium/NativeMessagingHosts/ff2mpv.json
2024-04-05 13:43:32	GuiToris	No such file or directory
2024-04-05 13:43:53	GuiToris	should I copy my ~/.config/ff2mpv-rust.json there?
2024-04-05 13:43:54	espresso	tyler82: I guess the price-performance judgements will vary, depending on frequency/urgency. Some might be able to temporarily physically connect for faster speed.
2024-04-05 13:44:00	demonicmaniac1	GuiToris: yes
2024-04-05 13:44:10	GuiToris	Do I need it both places?
2024-04-05 13:44:13	demonicmaniac1	no
2024-04-05 13:44:38	baltazar	tatsumaru: I have `"\C-H": backward-kill-word` in my ~/.inputrc, that applies to all programs that use readline
2024-04-05 13:44:39	vycka	you put the path to the executive in json file i think?
2024-04-05 13:44:52	vycka	it can anywhere
2024-04-05 13:44:56	tyler82	jelle: Of course using with muscle cpu...
2024-04-05 13:45:11	jelle	tyler82: which synology is not :)
2024-04-05 13:45:27	demonicmaniac1	i'd expect ff2mpv chromium-manifest writes the full path into that json file but that json needs to be in the nativemessaginghost in ~/.config/chromium
2024-04-05 13:45:31	tyler82	jelle: 😝
2024-04-05 13:45:55	tatsumaru	baltazar: that was useful, thanks!
2024-04-05 13:46:14	GuiToris	demonicmaniac1, https://bpa.st/raw/5BTA
2024-04-05 13:46:20	GuiToris	this is what it outputs
2024-04-05 13:46:29	demonicmaniac1	yeah
2024-04-05 13:48:00	vycka	https://github.com/woodruffw/ff2mpv/wiki/Installation-on-Linux
2024-04-05 13:48:27	GuiToris	demonicmaniac1, now I have the above output in ~/.config/chromium/NativeMessagingHosts/ff2mpv.json , but it still does nothing :(
2024-04-05 13:48:45	vycka	did you change the path?
2024-04-05 13:49:30	GuiToris	vycka, what path?
2024-04-05 13:49:45	GuiToris	I was reading this but I couldn't find what I missed
2024-04-05 13:49:49	vycka	in ff2mpv.json the path to the executable
2024-04-05 13:50:11	GuiToris	yes, that is one thing I forgot
2024-04-05 13:50:36	GuiToris	I mean, it doesn't say so, but I'll try it
2024-04-05 13:51:19	GuiToris	it isn't working yet :(
2024-04-05 13:51:19	demonicmaniac1	the aur package surely installs the file to /usr/bin/ tho?
2024-04-05 13:51:33	demonicmaniac1	i can only tell you with the native python ff2mpv it works fine for me i never tried the rust
2024-04-05 13:52:30	GuiToris	it had good comments, I thought it would be easier, but I may try the other method
2024-04-05 13:53:01	demonicmaniac1	where's the binary installed from the package?
2024-04-05 13:54:11	vycka	oh i didnt realise this was aur
2024-04-05 13:55:25	GuiToris	demonicmaniac1, I don't quite undestand your question, install -Dm644 manifest-chrome.json "$pkgdir/$_path/ff2mpv.json"
2024-04-05 13:55:32	GuiToris	you may have meant this :/
2024-04-05 13:55:48	demonicmaniac1	GuiToris: no i meant the binary that gets called from within the json, where it points to
2024-04-05 13:56:11	demonicmaniac1	the ff2mpv-rust
2024-04-05 13:56:20	GuiToris	/usr/bin/ff2mpv-rust
2024-04-05 13:56:30	demonicmaniac1	right so the path in the json is correct
2024-04-05 13:56:49	vycka	this might be stupid, but you have mpv installed?
2024-04-05 13:57:35	GuiToris	I thought it would be asked
2024-04-05 13:57:42	GuiToris	it's a dependency of ff2mpv-rust
2024-04-05 13:57:53	demonicmaniac1	do you also have yt-dlp installed?
2024-04-05 13:58:07	GuiToris	apparently, yes
2024-04-05 13:58:43	demonicmaniac1	can you copy an url you want to play that doesn't work in browser and try with mpv 'url' in terminal?
2024-04-05 13:59:09	GuiToris	it works that way
2024-04-05 13:59:19	GuiToris	$ mpv $url has always worked
2024-04-05 13:59:35	demonicmaniac1	welp then it's definitely something about that ff2mpv-rust
2024-04-05 13:59:55	GuiToris	I am removing it and try the normal method
2024-04-05 14:05:53	GuiToris	thank you, it is working with the script :)
2024-04-05 14:12:59	demonicmaniac1	yay
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2024-04-05 14:23:58	goptr	why is that everystatus bar mentioned here is a gtk one https://wiki.hyprland.org/Useful-Utilities/Status-Bars/
2024-04-05 14:24:00	phrik	Title: Status bars – Hyprland Wiki (at wiki.hyprland.org)
2024-04-05 14:24:15	goptr	isn't there a normal simple status bar for hyprland
2024-04-05 14:24:18	Khorne	because hyprland is a gnome shill project
2024-04-05 14:24:21	Khorne	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2024-04-05 14:24:23	jelle	hyprland mentioned
2024-04-05 14:24:31	Khorne	memeland
2024-04-05 14:25:00	goptr	What do you mean by Gnome shill project?
2024-04-05 14:26:53	Khorne	What's unclear about that?
2024-04-05 14:27:18	goptr	Why is it related to gnome in first place
2024-04-05 14:27:20	Khorne	Also why are you asking us and not whoever wrote that wiki page entirely unrelated to Arch Linux?
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2024-04-05 14:30:39	jelle	goptr: gtk is the superior toolkit
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2024-04-05 14:42:01	Khorne	^ objectively false and unbased opinion
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2024-04-05 14:44:39	cake37	can't wait for this to be merged https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pull/833
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2024-04-05 15:39:57	gdamjan	anyone knows why this happens on updates: ( 3/15) Reloading device manager configuration... | Timed out for waiting the udev queue being empty. | error: command failed to execute correctly
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2024-04-05 15:48:51	Namarrgon	gdamjan: is it accompanied by any new messages in the journal or kernel log?
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2024-04-05 15:51:34	Scimmia	gdamjan: many threads on the forums about the udev reload. Some timeouts, some crashes
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2024-04-05 15:53:03	Scimmia	for instance https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=294344
2024-04-05 15:53:04	phrik	Title: 30-systemd-udev-reload.hook taking long then timeout / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-04-05 15:53:16	⚡ 	espresso was just looking at that one :)
2024-04-05 15:54:24	gdamjan	yeah. it might be ddcutil has installed some rules, and they seem to run ddcutil which then crashes
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2024-04-05 15:58:16	Scimmia	IMO, the whole reload configuration on update thing has dubious benefits and causes a lot of issues, disabling it makes sense
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2024-04-05 16:03:39	Scimmia	Also see https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/systemd/-/issues/26
2024-04-05 16:03:40	phrik	Title: Reconsider udevadm trigger in systemd-hook, continouous kernel panics are happening (#26) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / systemd · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-05 16:04:12	Namarrgon	it killed xorg twice, so far
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2024-04-05 16:11:20	gugah	Scimmia: what's the outcome of that issue? I nuked my system 3 times on a pacman -Syu and in the forums they said it's related to this. apparently they suggest adding /etc/systemd/do-not-udevadm-trigger-on-update to nvidia-utils
2024-04-05 16:11:46	Scimmia	gugah: discussion ongoing
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2024-04-05 16:55:49	neko2	heya, I was curious to know if runtime data was collected whenever arch packages are built. I was curious to benchmark my new system with a kernel compile and thought it'd be fun to compare against "upstream" build times when using the same kernel config.
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2024-04-05 16:56:12	neko2	uhh, runtime as in "running time", that was a big vague
2024-04-05 16:56:39	neko2	big? wow I can't type
2024-04-05 16:57:39	gromit	neko2: that information is not captured but a kernel build on our build server does not take too long
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2024-04-05 16:59:52	neko2	I imagine, it probably has more cores than I have for starters x)
2024-04-05 17:00:52	neko2	still thought it'd be interesting cos I finally have 16 threads, an ok to decent amount for compile jobs. or so I'm told.
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2024-04-05 17:12:38	demonicmaniac1	neko2: servethehome and friends have a standard kernel compile benchmark for all their tests you can compare against - just grabbing the kernel sources for the one they use and making defconfig
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2024-04-05 17:29:57	alwyn	!paste
2024-04-05 17:29:58	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-04-05 17:30:08	alwyn	!rs
2024-04-05 17:30:09	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
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2024-04-05 17:31:16	alwyn	uhhh my laptop is dying or something, got a CPU soft lockup. I semi-frequently have this issue, first time I'm managing to get the dmesg log from it though: https://paste.rs/jtmw7
2024-04-05 17:31:26	alwyn	Is this an indication of a hardware issue?
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2024-04-05 17:33:27	gog	idk the callstack is all the same
2024-04-05 17:33:43	gog	if it was a hardware problem i'd expect to see a less consistent pattern
2024-04-05 17:34:28	alwyn	How can I diagnose this further?
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2024-04-05 17:36:15	gog	i don't know exactly
2024-04-05 17:36:22	gromit	alwyn: did you try the lts kernel or downgrade the kernel
2024-04-05 17:36:23	gog	i've never experienced this
2024-04-05 17:36:32	gog	yeah changing kernel is a good start
2024-04-05 17:37:00	gromit	alwyn: also this and the following section could be useful https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/General_troubleshooting#Debugging_freezes
2024-04-05 17:37:02	phrik	Title: General troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-05 17:38:31	alwyn	I've been having this across multiple kernel versions
2024-04-05 17:38:34	alwyn	I'll try LTS
2024-04-05 17:38:41	alwyn	Using zen currently
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2024-04-05 17:42:42	alwyn	well brb I hope
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2024-04-05 17:44:02	gog	hm
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2024-04-05 17:45:42	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-05 17:50:18	alwyn	Am on LTS now. I guess I should boot LTS for the foreseeable future considering my problem doesn't occur every day
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2024-04-05 17:59:35	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-05 17:51:57	alwyn	which is shitty because this shitty UEFI shit decides to boot depending on the length of the label of the boot entry
2024-04-05 17:52:07	⚡ 	alwyn slaps HP
2024-04-05 17:52:31	alwyn	no manual boot order config :P
2024-04-05 17:52:41	gog	oof
2024-04-05 17:52:54	gog	even if you force it with efibootmgr?
2024-04-05 17:53:16	gog	or does the firmware act like my old laptop and just overwrite the boot order every time
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2024-04-05 18:05:22	MrElendig	using the default load path is useful
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2024-04-05 18:12:22	akik	MrElendig: do you mean \efi\boot\bootx64.efi ?
2024-04-05 18:12:29	MrElendig	yes
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2024-04-05 18:13:58	akik	pimp my uefi
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2024-04-05 18:14:34	akik	didn't some system hard code the windows efi file bootmgfw.efi ?
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2024-04-05 18:14:49	MrElendig	some broken laptops does that yes
2024-04-05 18:15:35	MrElendig	iirc they would remove any nvram entry that wasn't pointing to ^
2024-04-05 18:16:14	gog	i hate that
2024-04-05 18:16:19	gog	just do what the spec says
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2024-04-05 18:17:02	akik	my acer laptop can't update the uefi settings from within linux :)
2024-04-05 18:17:49	neko2	MrElendig: *holds hand up*
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2024-04-05 18:18:16	neko2	that one laptop made me severely distrust anything that tried to directly manipulate EFI entries
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2024-04-05 18:19:25	neko2	... not to mention that I have my install set up to be "portable", so efi boot entries aren't even safe anyway. I have to just rely on bootx64.efi or whatever. ... plus a copy in the windows location in case of dumb firmware.
2024-04-05 18:20:14	neko2	(I say portable. it just means if I swap hardware, all I have to do is swap the SSD and it boots.)
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2024-04-05 19:36:18	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-05 19:22:37	travisghansen	Anyone else getting a gui lockup after the most recent package updates? GDM never comes up and my machine seems to be locked up :(
2024-04-05 19:36:16	lolok	did you try switching to a console with eg ctrl+alt+f2 travisghansen?
2024-04-05 19:36:18	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-05 19:37:30	lpv	guys is there a per app volume mixer I can use in arch with pipewire?
2024-04-05 19:37:44	teraflops	travisghansen: did the update go well? nvidia?
2024-04-05 19:37:54	teraflops	lpv: pavuxontrol?
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2024-04-05 19:38:39	lpv	teraflops yeah nvm, I've been looking some minutes just saw I already have it installed, had never seen the tab :p
2024-04-05 19:38:41	lpv	thanks
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2024-04-05 19:40:13	edu4rdshl	If you're on Gnome, the built-in volume control does allow you to perform that too
2024-04-05 19:40:51	edu4rdshl	travisghansen, anything interesting in the journal? I assume you can still open a TTY session
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2024-04-05 19:44:16	sibyla	hi how do you setup pacman so it pulls packages from the cache of another pc before internet
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2024-04-05 19:47:58	mpan	sibyla: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Network_shared_pacman_cache
2024-04-05 19:47:59	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-05 19:48:53	mpan	sibyla: and also <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Package_Proxy_Cache>
2024-04-05 19:48:54	phrik	Title: Package Proxy Cache - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-05 19:49:00	sibyla	thanx
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2024-04-05 19:50:29	Namarrgon	https://man.archlinux.org/man/pacman.conf.5#REPOSITORY_SECTIONS
2024-04-05 19:50:30	phrik	Title: pacman.conf(5) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-05 20:19:50	sibyla	so weird, other pc is somehow downloading packages i dont have installed
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2024-04-05 20:24:37	sibyla	it worked anyway thanks again
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2024-04-05 20:29:14	travisghansen	lolok: no, it’s locked up and won’t respond to that kind of input
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2024-04-05 20:30:47	travisghansen	teraflops: amd machine with nvidia inside, nvidia was not in the set of updated packages though. It locked up during upgrade in a post hook where it was restarting system-manager or something, didn’t catch it
2024-04-05 20:31:04	lambda	travisghansen: does the caps lock LED work? can you ping it? can you ssh into it?
2024-04-05 20:31:21	teraflops	travisghansen: xorg?
2024-04-05 20:31:33	travisghansen	forced it to restart and the db.lock was there so wiped it out and tried a further update and all was clear 
2024-04-05 20:31:46	travisghansen	well, had to reboot to multi-user target 
2024-04-05 20:31:56	travisghansen	no, wayland
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2024-04-05 20:32:42	travisghansen	not xorg, wayland setup…it gets to where gdm would normally start and I get a cursor at the upper left and non responsive otherwise 
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2024-04-05 20:33:32	andreyv	On a laptop, /dev/dri/card1 and /dev/dri/card2 sometimes get switched around on boot. If the Intel card gets assigned to card1, then PRIME is broken: it tries to render on the NVIDIA card by default, even though xrandr --listproviders continues to report intel as provider 0. A workaround is to use DRI_PRIME=1, which reverts to using provider 0 (???). Likewise, VA-API playback is broken.  Where
2024-04-05 20:33:32	andreyv	do you think I should report this bug? X.org, Mesa? But does 
2024-04-05 20:33:32	andreyv	mesa also affect VA-API?
2024-04-05 20:33:39	travisghansen	slapped the drive into an intel machine and locked up at the same spot fyi
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2024-04-05 20:34:06	travisghansen	mesa-utils was part of the bump
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2024-04-05 20:46:42	fluix	when I run `gst-launch-1.0 videotestsrc` I get an illegal instruction coredump. anything I can do to figure out what's wrong and how to fix this
2024-04-05 20:47:29	Namarrgon	fluix: which cpu is in that system?
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2024-04-05 20:48:39	fluix	i5-9300h with UHD 630 integrated (i915) + GTX 1650 Mobile graphics (nouveau)
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2024-04-05 20:49:34	fluix	linux-hardened kernel, in case that's at all relevant
2024-04-05 20:49:47	Namarrgon	yes, it is, test the "linux" kernel first
2024-04-05 20:50:18	neko2	hmm. so cos I haven't gotten around to adding a pcie wifi solution to the new build yet (it lacks one of it's own), I've been using an ath9k_htc based usb one. it was working great, but just today wpa_supplicant has started spamming CTRL-EVENT-BEACON-LOSS once a second. network connectivity still seems to work fine although latency seems unusually high. any idea what might have broke? (it
2024-04-05 20:50:18	neko2	couldn't be 
2024-04-05 20:50:25	neko2	something as daft as the screw-on antenna could it, I do have a spare)
2024-04-05 20:50:42	fluix	should I be looking at !aw Kernel or do I just pacman -S linux
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2024-04-05 20:52:21	thurstylark	fluix: just install the linux package, and configure your bootloader to boot to it
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2024-04-05 21:00:51	teraflops	many issues during pacman upgrade reported here
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2024-04-05 21:04:03	fluix	Namarrgon: that fixed it, thanks
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2024-04-05 21:07:23	Scimmia	!give teraflops errors
2024-04-05 21:07:24	phrik	teraflops: Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
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2024-04-05 21:08:34	teraflops	I say what I read here
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2024-04-05 21:09:08	teraflops	you cannot deny there are a lot of issues about errors while executing pacman hooks
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2024-04-05 21:09:14	Scimmia	ok, I must be missing some context
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2024-04-05 21:09:36	teraflops	np
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2024-04-05 21:10:28	Namarrgon	fluix: check the bugtrackers of gstreamer and the -hardened kernel
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2024-04-05 21:17:10	neko2	... you've got to be kidding me. I changed USB ports and the issue vanished. huh?? wha???? I'd have expected to see dmesg usb errors or something if the port was bad. wat the f!@#
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2024-04-05 21:28:38	edu4rdshl	I haven't had any issue with the pacman upgrade
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2024-04-05 21:29:16	edu4rdshl	Everything I have seen is people not mounting /boot before upgrading and then ending with an unbootable os
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2024-04-05 21:29:43	edu4rdshl	And well, the linux kernel minor releases .2 and .3 that were a mess
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2024-04-05 21:33:45	teraflops	edu4rdshl: not sure, maybe it's just pebcak (/boot not mounted)
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2024-04-05 21:37:36	neko2	I guess I get lucky then because my /boot is mounted all the time but is kept ro (... because it's the ESP because I use systemd-boot). that said, I remember setting up pacman a while back so that old kernel versions aren't removed on upgrade. so if I managed to f!@# up very badly I'd still boot into the old kernel successfully with modules still available.
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2024-04-05 21:41:31	edu4rdshl	neko2, why it's ro?
2024-04-05 21:41:52	edu4rdshl	It doesn't need to be ro for systemd-boot to work, or for being EFI
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2024-04-05 21:44:04	neko2	edu4rdshl: it's ro because it's vfat and I don't trust vfat to be randomly written by whatever feels like it
2024-04-05 21:44:51	neko2	it is rw purely for kernel upgrades, initramfs rebuilds and microcode updates. and the very rare update to systemd-boot itself.
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2024-04-05 21:44:58	neko2	s/purely/only/
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2024-04-05 21:45:37	teraflops	and how do you manage to set it rw when needed? manually?
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2024-04-05 21:46:12	neko2	teraflops: yeah. against common advice I have the packages that need to touch it in IgnorePkg. I then manually update those when ready.
2024-04-05 21:46:28	teraflops	wow 
2024-04-05 21:46:33	neko2	after all I still have to pick a convenient time to reboot anyway...
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2024-04-05 21:53:45	edu4rdshl	"and I don't trust vfat to be randomly written by whatever feels like it" - to write on it you need root access, to start
2024-04-05 21:53:57	edu4rdshl	There are more things to worry, honestly
2024-04-05 21:54:06	edu4rdshl	But well
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2024-04-05 21:55:12	teraflops	yeah I think that approach is over-complicating for such no benefits, buy 'your system, your rules'
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2024-04-05 22:13:33	travisghansen	Ok, it seems gnome-shell is what is locking up. I can ssh to the machine and still interact with it (from the remote) but the device launching shell seems to be locked where I can’t switch vt etc. if I kill gnome-shell from the remote device becomes responsive again 
2024-04-05 22:14:09	Gordinator	try a different desktop environment? rules out the idea that x11/wayland is causing the issue
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2024-04-05 22:14:28	travisghansen	Did that, sway fires up fine
2024-04-05 22:14:37	Gordinator	must be a GNOME issue then
2024-04-05 22:15:05	Gordinator	[insert snarky and elitist comment here]
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2024-04-05 22:15:30	travisghansen	lol, gtk4 was in the update list I believe actually 
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2024-04-05 22:15:41	travisghansen	nothing else particularly gnome related 
2024-04-05 22:15:57	Gordinator	dont get me started on gtk4
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2024-04-05 22:17:59	Gordinator	it was a joke, i was joking about the fact that snark and elitism are often used in otherwise helpful discussion
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2024-04-05 22:18:08	Gordinator	dont make me ruin my joke
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2024-04-05 22:18:54	Vorpal	Since a couple of days, using Gnome keyring as a gpg agent doesn't seem to work any more. Every time I make a git commit I get a password dialog now. By the way I use Gnome keyring outside of gnome (which might make a difference), specifically from KDE.
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2024-04-05 22:19:31	Vorpal	SSH agent does seem to work though
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2024-04-05 22:19:39	travisghansen	Here was the package set: https://pasteboard.co/RBDE9o6DIwSo.jpg
2024-04-05 22:19:42	phrik	Title: Pasteboard - Uploaded Image (at pasteboard.co)
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2024-04-05 22:20:39	Vorpal	Psi-Jack: right, what do I need to do then? I did some gcr4 workaround for SSH agent a few weeks or months ago
2024-04-05 22:20:49	Vorpal	do I need a similar thing for gpg?
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2024-04-05 22:21:17	Vorpal	I have a "SSH_AUTH_SOCK=$XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/gcr/ssh" in ~/.config/environment.d/SSH_AUTH_SOCK.conf for that
2024-04-05 22:21:48	Vorpal	(I looked at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNOME/Keyring and I didn't see anything about all this, I'll update it once I figure this out)
2024-04-05 22:21:49	phrik	Title: GNOME/Keyring - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-05 22:22:11	Vorpal	Psi-Jack: no clue either, ask me as of several weeks ago :P
2024-04-05 22:22:32	Vorpal	Psi-Jack: anyway, how do I get gpg-agent working again? Since you seems to have figured this out
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2024-04-05 22:23:53	Vorpal	systemctl status --user gpg-agent.service claims it is running, I don't see any gcr variant of it
2024-04-05 22:24:47	Vorpal	okay, so why is it not 1) using the passphrase from the login keyring in gnome-keyring 2) not even remembering the gpg key from one *second* to the next?
2024-04-05 22:26:10	Vorpal	gee, thanks...
2024-04-05 22:27:11	phrik	Title: GnuPG - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-05 22:27:25	V3n3RiX	ditch gnome-keyring, use keychain ... https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/keychain/ ... once you install it, add "eval `keychain --eval id_rsa`" with no double quotes to your bashrc
2024-04-05 22:27:27	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - keychain 2.8.5-2 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-05 22:27:46	V3n3RiX	or id_dsa , depending on your key type
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2024-04-05 22:28:05	V3n3RiX	https://man.archlinux.org/man/extra/keychain/keychain.1.en
2024-04-05 22:28:07	phrik	Title: keychain(1) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2024-04-05 22:28:42	V3n3RiX	running gnome components in plasma is a blasphemy :D (joking of course)
2024-04-05 22:29:54	Vorpal	V3n3RiX: 1) bashrc wouldn't do me any good. I use zsh. 2) all of those are ssh, not gpg which is the problem at hand (ssh-agent works just fine)
2024-04-05 22:30:33	V3n3RiX	yup, it can
2024-04-05 22:30:37	Vorpal	3) That is tied to your login, getting a prompt when you open a terminal, not to your graphical login
2024-04-05 22:31:05	Vorpal	I would rather use keepassxc as my ssh/gpg agent if I can't tie it to a graphical login anyway
2024-04-05 22:32:35	V3n3RiX	that one is an even bigger can of worms
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2024-04-05 22:32:47	Vorpal	I do believe it supports it. But I don't leave that unlocked for long. And for ssh/gpg I prefer to have it actually be tied to graphical login / PAM, so I don't need to re-enter the password
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2024-04-05 22:40:53	Vorpal	I use KDE Plasma (said so in my original line). But kwallet is pretty crappy
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2024-04-05 22:41:29	Vorpal	thus I use gnome keyring together with KDE plasma
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2024-04-05 22:41:47	Vorpal	Psi-Jack: ah, I have not checked it since then. Does it support dbus secret service finally?
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2024-04-05 22:43:03	Vorpal	"Since KDE Frameworks 5.97.0 KDE Wallet supports org.freedesktop.secrets DBus API and can now be used by libsecret for storing and retrieving passwords and other secrets using the Secret Service API. ", oh apparently so
2024-04-05 22:43:34	Vorpal	if it also works as a ssh and gpg agent (or at least for automatically unlocking those at login) I'm in
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2024-04-05 22:44:19	Vorpal	hm something look into this weekend this
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2024-04-05 23:01:35	janchik	I LOVE ARCH INUX
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2024-04-05 23:02:13	mpan	janchik: hello. Unfortunately we can’t help you with a broken ‘L’ key. I recommned replacing a keyboard. ;)
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2024-04-05 23:06:28	masterkorp	Hello, I am making some checks to validade if I can share my screen under pipewire and wayland what commands of file checks can I make ? 
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2024-04-06 03:05:55	travisghansen	a later re-install resulted in the same hang, but I let it sit for 60 seconds or so (based a comment in a forum I believe) and indeed it cleared up eventually..but the 2nd time was not from a ui but rather a vt
2024-04-06 03:06:25	travisghansen	reinstall of the same set of package in the original update
2024-04-06 03:06:29	rcf	Doing updates there is indeed advisable. 
2024-04-06 03:07:59	travisghansen	you mean from a vt vs a desktop terminal?
2024-04-06 03:11:09	rcf	The less that might trigger a crash the better. 
2024-04-06 03:12:35	travisghansen	if it helps, there's a pic above which I linked which has the package list that was in the set
2024-04-06 03:59:47	RandomUsr	I'm stuck on an issue. which article dexcribes how to manually install/load firmware? Specifically, I'm trying to install firmware for my usb wifi adapter
2024-04-06 04:00:45	edu4rdshl	RandomUsr, modprobe
2024-04-06 04:01:20	RandomUsr	edu4rdshl: so modprobe SomeModule?
2024-04-06 04:08:07	red_man	hi all
2024-04-06 04:11:02	edu4rdshl	RandomUsr, yes
2024-04-06 04:18:33	RandomUsr	I grabbed some firmware files in *.bin format from https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/mediatek Where would I need to place these?  In /usr/lib/modules/kernel_release ?
2024-04-06 04:18:34	phrik	Title: mediatek - kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git - Repository of firmware blobs for use with the Linux kernel (at git.kernel.org)
2024-04-06 04:20:10	Namarrgon	firmware is commonly in /usr/lib/firmware
2024-04-06 04:20:14	Namarrgon	is there no PKGBUILD for this?
2024-04-06 04:20:39	RandomUsr	Not that I'm aware. I could check the AUR
2024-04-06 04:21:13	Namarrgon	does the kernel module report which firmware is missing when you load it?
2024-04-06 04:23:17	RandomUsr	I'm missing the part with how to load these. I'm not grokking how this works.... Like could I modprobe some path to the firmware file?  And then get any error messages?
2024-04-06 04:23:42	Namarrgon	the kernel module requests the firmware by filename, usually
2024-04-06 04:24:30	RandomUsr	so, I believe that would be mac80211
2024-04-06 04:24:42	Namarrgon	that's not the driver for your wifi chipset
2024-04-06 04:25:33	Namarrgon	are you following docs?
2024-04-06 04:26:27	RandomUsr	trying to. I'm going to look again. I don't know what I don't know here
2024-04-06 04:26:49	Namarrgon	what is the exact model of the chipset?
2024-04-06 04:27:05	Namarrgon	you need the matching driver, then you can start looking for the correct firmware
2024-04-06 04:27:47	RandomUsr	7961
2024-04-06 04:27:54	edu4rdshl	RandomUsr, `lspci -nn |grep Net`
2024-04-06 04:30:38	RandomUsr	the device isn't showing. Now I wonder if the hardware is bad.... re-plugged and checking again
2024-04-06 04:30:52	Namarrgon	uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2024-04-06 04:31:32	Namarrgon	since you can replug it i guess it's a usb device?
2024-04-06 04:31:39	RandomUsr	the device shows up in lsusb. but not from 'lspci -nn | grep -i Net'
2024-04-06 04:31:45	RandomUsr	It is
2024-04-06 04:31:55	Namarrgon	lspci is for... pci-ish busses
2024-04-06 04:32:15	RandomUsr	I was doing that as requested from earlier
2024-04-06 04:33:01	RandomUsr	anyhow, the usb device returns 0e8d:7961
2024-04-06 04:34:13	RandomUsr	I dropped the files in /lib/firmware/mediatek
2024-04-06 04:34:21	Namarrgon	uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2024-04-06 04:34:25	RandomUsr	got it
2024-04-06 04:35:32	RandomUsr	linux-lts 6.6.22-1
2024-04-06 04:35:38	edu4rdshl	RandomUsr, modinfo mt76
2024-04-06 04:36:02	Namarrgon	and "uname -r"?
2024-04-06 04:36:21	RandomUsr	6.6.22-1-lts
2024-04-06 04:37:02	RandomUsr	what's needed from modinfo mt76?
2024-04-06 04:37:34	Namarrgon	re-plug it and post the kernel log
2024-04-06 04:37:51	edu4rdshl	RandomUsr, literally that command
2024-04-06 04:38:28	RandomUsr	!paste
2024-04-06 04:38:28	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-06 04:40:08	Pikk3wyn	oh god mediatek
2024-04-06 04:40:30	Pikk3wyn	what device is this
2024-04-06 04:41:18	Namarrgon	"0e8d:7961" supposedly
2024-04-06 04:41:50	RandomUsr	pasted the last 100 lines to https://bpa.st/RCGQ
2024-04-06 04:41:52	phrik	Title: View paste RCGQ (at bpa.st)
2024-04-06 04:42:29	Namarrgon	you have some general usb issue. have you tried a different port?
2024-04-06 04:42:39	Namarrgon	does the device work on any other computer?
2024-04-06 04:43:12	RandomUsr	I've got a single computer. Tried in the front panel and a motherboard port
2024-04-06 04:44:14	edu4rdshl	Try a different port
2024-04-06 04:44:43	RandomUsr	I think I'm going to shut down and check for any physical damage to USB ports, and maybe install a usb pcie hub to test
2024-04-06 04:45:07	Pikk3wyn	looks like hardware 
2024-04-06 04:45:30	RandomUsr	to be sure, which is the concerning line there?
2024-04-06 04:45:38	edu4rdshl	All the timeouts
2024-04-06 04:45:48	RandomUsr	ah yes.
2024-04-06 04:47:03	RandomUsr	Is it possible that It's not an issues with the root hub or cpu USB ports, but rather the usb adapter itself?
2024-04-06 04:47:47	Namarrgon	of course it could be the device itself
2024-04-06 04:47:58	Namarrgon	did you install any out-of-tree drivers?
2024-04-06 04:48:09	RandomUsr	I just got it, so maybe need to return it
2024-04-06 04:48:34	Namarrgon	which brand is that?
2024-04-06 04:49:00	RandomUsr	I followed this guide - https://github.com/morrownr/USB-WiFi/blob/main/home/How_to_Install_Firmware_for_Mediatek_based_USB_WiFi_adapters.md
2024-04-06 04:49:16	Namarrgon	a hacker gear...
2024-04-06 04:49:29	RandomUsr	it's an alfa awus036axm I believe
2024-04-06 04:49:48	RandomUsr	erm.... It's just a wifi adapter as Far as I'm aware
2024-04-06 04:49:56	Namarrgon	yeah, from mediatek
2024-04-06 04:50:53	Namarrgon	try the regular 'linux' kernel, and if that doesn't help find a second computer
2024-04-06 04:51:00	RandomUsr	So all my other usb devices seem to be working. Even booted from persistent usb
2024-04-06 04:51:02	Namarrgon	also try windows if you can find a copy
2024-04-06 04:51:20	RandomUsr	roger
2024-04-06 04:52:03	RandomUsr	I'm probably going to request a replacement. But I'll test first
2024-04-06 04:52:15	RandomUsr	thanks for the help
2024-04-06 04:52:39	Namarrgon	if you do look for a replacement with a realtek chipset, they usually work better
2024-04-06 04:52:45	Namarrgon	or at least intel
2024-04-06 04:52:59	RandomUsr	Good points
2024-04-06 04:53:12	RandomUsr	peace. I'm out
2024-04-06 05:50:56	moake	Guess who's got Arch On their Android tab??????????
2024-04-06 05:52:08	coruja	no
2024-04-06 06:13:41	arenics	~qname
2024-04-06 06:46:48	RandomUsr	was here earlier about my usb wifi adapter. It wasn't the computer. Turns out the Bluetooth on the awus036axm usb using mediatek 7961 won't accept a hardware address. Disabled bluetooth, and the usb controller was able to sync the Wificontroller to work.... hope this helps someone
2024-04-06 06:49:44	akik	maybe there's a place where this info could be written down, like in a wiki or something?
2024-04-06 06:50:49	RandomUsr	akik: that would be stellar.... lull... I'll put it up tomorrow. Too sleepy atm
2024-04-06 06:57:12	Paipou	I asked about bluetooth issue here about year ago. It was pcie wifi/bt card. Issue was i did not wire power for the BT 
2024-04-06 07:27:50	elrohir	please remind me how to very a downloaded ISO using .sig file
2024-04-06 07:36:37	elrohir	nvm I remembered :)
2024-04-06 08:41:50	ThommoMC	My system keeps on randomly freezing during normal use, its appears to be a gpu hang according to the logs from journalctl
2024-04-06 08:43:08	rcf	ThommoMC: can you post those logs? 
2024-04-06 08:43:52	ThommoMC	https://pastebin.com/Fwdzfc2L
2024-04-06 08:43:53	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XimC.txt
2024-04-06 08:43:53	phrik	Title: Apr 06 17:36:21 thommopc kernel: Asynchronous wait on fence 0000:00:02.0:kwin_wa - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-04-06 08:44:15	ThommoMC	the logs are in reverse order 
2024-04-06 08:44:51	rcf	ThommoMC: you may consider an upstream bug report 
2024-04-06 08:44:55	ThommoMC	this happens on both the kernel and lts kernel, it also happens randomly to
2024-04-06 08:45:08	ThommoMC	oh wow its that bad?
2024-04-06 08:45:47	rcf	The messages make it quite clear. 
2024-04-06 08:46:35	ThommoMC	the weird thing is that you would think the display would stop working but when I do REISUB and get to the stage where I kill the proccess, I can see the logs appearing on the screen sometimes
2024-04-06 08:47:00	rcf	ThommoMC: you might approach KDE support channels and ask them about it. 
2024-04-06 08:47:14	rcf	But it seems they are quite willing to blame it on the kernel. 
2024-04-06 08:49:07	edu4rdshl	ThommoMC, out of curiosity, have you tried any other DE?
2024-04-06 08:51:22	rcf	Even if you haven't, have you looked at the KDE bug trackers? 
2024-04-06 09:00:46	edu4rdshl	++
2024-04-06 09:15:52	arch4ng3l	yaaawn...
2024-04-06 09:17:08	arch4ng3l	g'night all
2024-04-06 09:27:08	rcf	rip
2024-04-06 10:37:39	rounak	What are some Android emulators that I can run from an USB pendrive?
2024-04-06 10:41:24	MrElendig	waydroid
2024-04-06 10:41:38	MrElendig	why from a usb stick though? those are horrible
2024-04-06 10:42:52	akik	i just bought a 1 TB usb stick 
2024-04-06 10:43:08	rounak	MrElendig: Waydroid has a lot of problems. Video doesn't load, no sound etc etc.
2024-04-06 10:43:33	rounak	I am looking for an android os that can run on my usb pendrive. I am using usb 3.2 pendrive
2024-04-06 10:44:56	MrElendig	that is not what you asked for though
2024-04-06 10:45:09	MrElendig	and really, waydroid generally is your best bet beside adb
2024-04-06 10:47:15	rounak	Sorry nvm. To make it clear I am looking for an android operating system that I can run from an usb pendrive and play games on it.
2024-04-06 10:48:49	MrElendig	can forget about that
2024-04-06 10:49:07	MrElendig	unless someone actually released said games for x86 android
2024-04-06 10:49:40	MrElendig	are you on an amd gpu?
2024-04-06 10:49:47	rounak	nvidia
2024-04-06 10:49:52	rounak	:'/
2024-04-06 10:50:13	rounak	I have RTX 4090 and GTX 1650 Dual setup
2024-04-06 10:50:55	MrElendig	should be usable with nkv now
2024-04-06 10:51:00	MrElendig	nvk*
2024-04-06 10:51:29	MrElendig	but support is still way better on amd
2024-04-06 10:59:46	rounak	AMD gpus are not available in my country :/
2024-04-06 11:00:08	MrElendig	I bet they are
2024-04-06 11:00:42	MrElendig	there are stricter export restrictions on nvidia than amd after all
2024-04-06 11:03:03	MrElendig	india by any chance?
2024-04-06 11:07:48	Aryan	why these tools have .in extension and not .sh or even "no extension"?
2024-04-06 11:07:49	Aryan	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/devtools/-/tree/master/src?ref_type=heads
2024-04-06 11:07:50	phrik	Title: src · master · Arch Linux / devtools · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-06 11:27:14	rounak	MrElendig: yes
2024-04-06 11:38:15	moake	So where are all the haxor repos at
2024-04-06 11:38:19	alad	Aryan: because they are processed with m4
2024-04-06 11:38:35	alad	i.e. the Makefile substitutes some text inside them 
2024-04-06 11:39:08	moake	I'm doing pretty good with arch considering its on a tablet.
2024-04-06 11:39:32	alad	pacman -S sl
2024-04-06 11:39:34	alad	then type sl
2024-04-06 11:40:12	moake	I just need a decent package manager , after I git clone into yay I'll be able to get something good.
2024-04-06 11:40:26	alad	obvious troll is obvious
2024-04-06 11:40:38	moake	Already got fakeroot
2024-04-06 11:41:37	alad	NetSysFire: https://media1.tenor.com/m/OSz8pb10g6AAAAAC/champoy-oh-shit.gif
2024-04-06 11:45:09	moake	Tk pacman looks pretty good
2024-04-06 11:45:23	moake	If I can install it
2024-04-06 11:46:00	alad	ILoveHardbass
2024-04-06 11:46:26	alad	if you enable ILoveHardbass, pacman will blast 150 beats per minute through your PC speaker
2024-04-06 11:48:43	moake	After I ***try*** to install snapd , and other stores, I'll look for some blackjack repos :")
2024-04-06 11:48:54	moake	Blackarch
2024-04-06 11:49:27	moake	I see...
2024-04-06 11:49:40	moake	Makes sense. It's very evil. Lol
2024-04-06 11:49:45	alad	it's very unsupported
2024-04-06 11:49:58	moake	Good.
2024-04-06 11:50:15	moake	Oh.
2024-04-06 11:50:23	alad	> : O
2024-04-06 11:51:04	moake	I don't know what my distro is doing... ohhhhh I forgot to get the main thing I installed linux for
2024-04-06 11:51:05	alad	NetSysFire: I always forgot the space between the eyebrows, my bad
2024-04-06 11:51:13	alad	> : |
2024-04-06 11:51:15	moake	Proton if possible or wine
2024-04-06 11:53:06	alad	> : )
2024-04-06 11:58:04	moake	Oh snap I just got tk pacman
2024-04-06 11:58:34	moake	I'm 1337.
2024-04-06 12:00:02	moake	https://imgur.com/a/CNinaZG lEEt
2024-04-06 12:00:02	phrik	Title: Leet - Album on Imgur (at imgur.com)
2024-04-06 12:00:20	alad	NetSysFire: what is knowledge
2024-04-06 12:00:52	alad	that happened to me once in 2015
2024-04-06 12:00:59	moake	I'm not sorry I installed arch.. yet...
2024-04-06 12:02:14	alad	it was the physics basement but yes
2024-04-06 12:07:45	moake	And I got AuR installed
2024-04-06 12:08:02	moake	I'm ballin' now
2024-04-06 12:08:21	moake	My terminal is going nuts
2024-04-06 12:08:44	alad	> AUR installed
2024-04-06 12:08:46	moake	Wonder if it's an infinite loop
2024-04-06 12:09:19	alad	I once made a pacman db from 80k AUR packages so it's technically possible
2024-04-06 12:09:30	alad	it was 700mb in size extracted
2024-04-06 12:09:43	moake	Hook up
2024-04-06 12:09:47	moake	Lol
2024-04-06 12:10:17	alad	^
2024-04-06 12:10:29	alad	NetSysFire: I think -Ss took about 10 seconds to complete
2024-04-06 12:11:00	moake	It's a bunch of warn debug messages going lightspeed
2024-04-06 12:11:46	moake	Is it trying to compile something. I'm surprised how barebones arch is on install.
2024-04-06 12:12:03	moake	Shhh heh
2024-04-06 12:12:14	moake	I am
2024-04-06 12:13:03	moake	I'm not using blackarch
2024-04-06 12:13:26	moake	Or any repos from it. I don't even know how to add repos.
2024-04-06 12:13:38	alad	moake: hear me out, post on blogspot.com/moake
2024-04-06 12:14:08	moake	Plus if I add repos it'll brick my install I worked so hard for
2024-04-06 12:14:21	bookworm	NetSysFire: they were ranting about not getting support for their arm device on Friday here and are now butthurt and just making noise in the chan for the sake of it
2024-04-06 12:14:33	alad	> : |
2024-04-06 12:14:59	moake	I'm not asking for help am I, no I'm just chatting 
2024-04-06 12:15:13	Tom^	#archlinux-offtopic then
2024-04-06 12:15:25	moake	Ok.
2024-04-06 12:16:23	wael	Hello, I've updated one of my systems, and now when I ssh into it I don't get a login shell (systemctl, journalctl...etc) - I've checked /etc/pam.d/login, nothing seems out of the ordinary
2024-04-06 12:17:03	Tom^	NetSysFire: your welcome m8
2024-04-06 12:17:11	alad	m4
2024-04-06 12:17:17	Tom^	NetSysFire: so do something about it and remove him
2024-04-06 12:17:24	alad	so salty
2024-04-06 12:18:12	moake	You know you can evade any ban on irc by using your phone as a hotspot.
2024-04-06 12:18:21	moake	And changing your nick
2024-04-06 12:18:32	moake	Ouch.
2024-04-06 12:18:54	Tom^	moake: yeah and banning is a 1second task. how many times will you evade until you cant be bothered?
2024-04-06 12:20:27	alad	moake: that might work if the channel wasn't processed by a LLM that connects bans to your conversation style
2024-04-06 12:20:34	wael	Anyone?
2024-04-06 12:20:44	moake	For talking in #archlinux I get banned.. I'm having fun haven't hurt anybody... I don't need a ban for talking... its just unfair.
2024-04-06 12:21:05	moake	I'll shut up 
2024-04-06 12:21:22	alad	guys guys
2024-04-06 12:21:26	alad	there's someone with a broken system \ : D /
2024-04-06 12:22:22	wael	Hello, I've updated one of my systems, and now when I ssh into it I don't get a login shell (systemctl, journalctl...etc) - I've checked /etc/pam.d/login, nothing seems out of the ordinary
2024-04-06 12:22:34	wael	How do I debug it further?
2024-04-06 12:24:00	wael	nvm, dbus broker borked
2024-04-06 12:24:13	moake	Verbose mode? -shrug
2024-04-06 12:24:36	wael	I can't even run it
2024-04-06 12:25:10	wael	Invalid XML in /usr/share/dbus-1/system.d/org.freedesktop.RealtimeKit1.conf +1: no element found
2024-04-06 12:25:21	wael	dbus-broker-launch
2024-04-06 12:25:24	alad	dbus-broker--
2024-04-06 12:25:46	alad	just install regular dbus
2024-04-06 12:26:06	wael	I see
2024-04-06 12:26:27	alad	and dbus-daemon-units
2024-04-06 12:26:42	alad	that said you should probably also figure out where that RealtimeKit1.conf is coming from
2024-04-06 12:26:56	bookworm	alad: what's wrong with -broker?
2024-04-06 12:27:13	alad	bookworm: the fact it totally stops working when there's a file it doesn't like it
2024-04-06 12:27:19	alad	and with it makes everything else stop working as well
2024-04-06 12:28:20	wael	thanks alad :)
2024-04-06 12:28:32	alad	yw
2024-04-06 12:29:02	moake	Do you guys know how helpful co-pilot ai is on microshaft it's pretty darn good
2024-04-06 12:29:22	alad	> : |
2024-04-06 12:33:28	wael	alad: Same issue still, maybe I have to reboot
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2024-04-06 13:13:17	rubin55	hey all, just got this when updating (pacman -Syu) a few minutes ago: mbedtls2: /usr/include/everest/Hacl_Curve25519.h exists in filesystem (owned by mbedtls)
2024-04-06 13:13:19	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-06 13:13:55	rubin55	both come from Extras
2024-04-06 13:14:07	vycka	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/mbedtls2/-/issues/1
2024-04-06 13:14:09	phrik	Title: Conflicting files with mbedtls. (#1) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / mbedtls2 · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-06 13:14:11	vycka	someone made a report
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2024-04-06 13:44:44	furrykef	So many updates to libx11 lately. Aren't you supposed to restart X after installing them?
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2024-04-06 15:10:56	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-06 14:04:05	siak	mingdao: my resolved is disabled
2024-04-06 14:11:14	ponies	agreed just updated and found that NetSysFire 
2024-04-06 14:11:37	siak	mingdao: You mean NM acts exactly like systemd-resolved
2024-04-06 14:11:38	siak	?
2024-04-06 14:11:53	ponies	siak: yes, that is expected behaviour from network manager. 
2024-04-06 14:12:08	parakovsky	do you guys think is my ssd copy speed peaks at 150 mbps is it something with a drive itself or possibly some things are messed up with settings? what would be the steps to make sure? 
2024-04-06 14:13:03	eqw	Hello
2024-04-06 14:13:05	ponies	for what i have been told, it manages your dns for you. So im not sure whether you would need to setup systemd-resolved 
2024-04-06 14:13:10	Tom^	parakovsky: sysctl -n vm.dirty_ratio and how much total ram you have?
2024-04-06 14:13:18	eqw	"error: target not found: remmina-plugin-rdesktop" <- Hot to fix?
2024-04-06 14:13:24	eqw	s/Hot/How/
2024-04-06 14:13:46	Tom^	eqw: its in aur
2024-04-06 14:14:09	eqw	Tom^: so? I really don't understand
2024-04-06 14:14:11	parakovsky	Tom^: the value of sysctl ratio is 20 and ram is 16 gb which for my non programming work is more than enough usually
2024-04-06 14:14:32	eqw	Tom^: I know nothing except `pacman -S`
2024-04-06 14:14:43	eqw	what should I read?
2024-04-06 14:14:48	phrik	Title: Should conflict with mbedtls2, but does not (#1) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / mbedtls · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-06 14:14:54	Tom^	parakovsky: yeah just checking, some have very low values and starves ssds because of the write ram cache being to small
2024-04-06 14:14:55	ponies	NetSysFire: will do 
2024-04-06 14:15:29	Tom^	eqw: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_User_Repository
2024-04-06 14:15:30	phrik	Title: Arch User Repository - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-06 14:16:25	parakovsky	Tom^: what worries me that my previous smaller ssd i thought malfunctioned, so i switched it with low cost newer model which now acts weird again.... i have a 1tb drive connected to pci-e from the cd-rom output in laptop and that guy speed is 500mpbs, so my problem is that once the task start heavy.... even connecting to irc bouncer hang the system a bit
2024-04-06 14:19:15	Tom^	parakovsky: you could set the i/o sheduler to mq-deadline the [none] default is a bit hit and miss especially if tons of disk usage comes in and suddenly you want to to do something else meanwhile
2024-04-06 14:19:43	parakovsky	Thank you Tom let me google how to do that
2024-04-06 14:21:31	Tom^	parakovsky: but yeah i have this very convulated udev rule that sets a rather large write cache dirty_ratio/dirty_background_ratio , udev rule that sets bdi strict_limit and max_ratio. so essentially each disk can only get at most 70% of the total ram cache, mq-deadline so reads are a bit prioritized over writes
2024-04-06 14:21:57	Tom^	got rid of all troubles when two 1tb nvme disks starts chonking lol
2024-04-06 14:22:01	parakovsky	It seems mine seems to be set to none already...... 
2024-04-06 14:22:16	Tom^	yeah set it to mq-deadline, [none] is default
2024-04-06 14:22:40	parakovsky	nice, thank you let me try that
2024-04-06 14:22:43	Tom^	whatever goes in, goes out. not much order. mq-deadline applyes some algorithms and prioritizes some reads over writes among other things
2024-04-06 14:22:54	parakovsky	do i need to reboot or just restart some systemd process instead is enough
2024-04-06 14:23:40	Tom^	not sure
2024-04-06 14:23:57	parakovsky	ok will reboot just to make sure
2024-04-06 14:37:39	siak	ponies: The expected beaviour was to create a symlink.
2024-04-06 14:58:38	greentail	Is the wiki down? 
2024-04-06 14:59:04	Scimmia	siak: *why* did you have that expectation?
2024-04-06 14:59:22	greentail	I got access to the wiki now, but was quite slow or unresponsive the last 5 minutes.  
2024-04-06 14:59:27	ponies	siak: its not true default behaviour of network manager does not create a symlink
2024-04-06 14:59:44	ponies	!isitup wiki.archlinux.org
2024-04-06 14:59:44	phrik	ponies: Error: That URL raised <<urlopen error [Errno -5] No address associated with hostname>>
2024-04-06 15:00:45	greentail	ponies: so that means it's down? 
2024-04-06 15:00:47	ponies	i didn't make a typo tho. idk its up for me 
2024-04-06 15:00:55	greentail	!isitup wiki.archlinux.org
2024-04-06 15:00:56	phrik	greentail: Error: That URL raised <<urlopen error [Errno -5] No address associated with hostname>>
2024-04-06 15:01:13	ponies	!isitup archlinux.org
2024-04-06 15:01:14	phrik	ponies: Error: That URL raised <<urlopen error [Errno -5] No address associated with hostname>>
2024-04-06 15:01:25	ponies	that is #broken
2024-04-06 15:02:09	greentail	Starting on September 2024, gmail won't support mutt. Shouldn't that be added to the wiki?  
2024-04-06 15:02:22	ponies	at all? waa
2024-04-06 15:02:55	BrainDamage	I guess it's gmail mandating oauth
2024-04-06 15:03:04	ponies	how do you know this? 
2024-04-06 15:03:18	greentail	ponies: https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255 
2024-04-06 15:03:19	phrik	Title: Less secure apps & your Google Account - Google Account Help (at support.google.com)
2024-04-06 15:03:29	greentail	BrainDamage: yes
2024-04-06 15:03:32	jelle	greentail: wiki works fine here
2024-04-06 15:03:45	greentail	even now, how do you setup gmail with Mutt? Even now it looks impossible 
2024-04-06 15:03:52	jelle	greentail: iirc mutt can use xoauth
2024-04-06 15:04:16	BrainDamage	it is possiblle right now by using app passwords with minimum fuss
2024-04-06 15:04:19	ponies	greentail: mutt with gmail hasn't accepted password support for some time now. I'm not sure what a Google Workspace is, but it seems to apply to that
2024-04-06 15:06:17	greentail	BrainDamage: well if there's a way to use Mutt with Gmail, shouldn't it be explained on the wiki? All the wiki does now is to send you to that link of 5 messages above. And that link basically tells you "gmail does not support Mutt, so don't even try"
2024-04-06 15:07:10	BrainDamage	I don't use mutt's imap client, so I have no interest to edit the wiki
2024-04-06 15:07:36	BrainDamage	moreover, 99% of the procedure is to be done on google side
2024-04-06 15:07:53	BrainDamage	and according to what you just linked, THAT, is what will stop working in few months
2024-04-06 15:08:45	ponies	oh right, im probably using an application specific password rather than oauth 
2024-04-06 15:08:53	greentail	BrainDamage: when you say "app password", do you mean "smartphone app"? Which app?
2024-04-06 15:09:53	BrainDamage	google that term
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2024-04-06 15:12:03	greentail	jelle: am on the ArchWiki of Mutt, i searched for "oauth" and got zero results inside the page 
2024-04-06 15:12:34	jelle	!duck search mutt xoauth gmail
2024-04-06 15:12:36	phrik	jelle: How to set up Mutt with Gmail using OAuth2 authentication - The Mutt email client version 2.0.7 and later includes support for OAuth2 authorization protocol. Newly, you can connect Mutt with various cloud email providers, such as Gmail, using XOAUTH2 tokens. Follow these steps to set up Mutt with your Gmail account. As the root user, inst... <https://access.redhat.com/articles/6278361>,
2024-04-06 15:12:36	phrik	How to continue using msmtp OAuth  (4 more messages)
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2024-04-06 15:12:40	jelle	there you go
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2024-04-06 15:14:13	greentail	jelle: did you just ... did you just link to a "Subscriber Exclusive Content" website? 
2024-04-06 15:14:24	jelle	greentail: no?
2024-04-06 15:14:37	jelle	well, I just used duck duck go :)
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2024-04-06 15:17:52	greentail	so apparently you have to pay 200 bucks to read about Oauth support in Mutt, since it's undocumented in the ArchWiki
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2024-04-06 15:20:05	jelle	greentail: don't troll :)
2024-04-06 15:20:54	jelle	greentail: there are more resources about this online
2024-04-06 15:21:41	bookworm	greentail: neomutt has perfectly working upstream docs you know
2024-04-06 15:22:11	jelle	I can join the trolling, switch to a real mail provider :-)
2024-04-06 15:22:48	bookworm	jelle: gmail is the only mail provider, anything else are amateurs :D
2024-04-06 15:23:23	greentail	if there are so many resources about this online, I think the ArchWiki should link to at least one of those resources. We all know google doesn't always give you the best results, so having the ArchWiki guide users is much more preferable
2024-04-06 15:23:44	bookworm	greentail: then go and link them
2024-04-06 15:23:52	bookworm	it's a *wiki*
2024-04-06 15:24:27	jelle	greentail: it's a wiki, feel free to edit :)
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2024-04-06 15:25:19	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-06 15:28:32	greentail	bookworm: that's not necessarily a joke. There's a lot of discussion about the topic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35744888
2024-04-06 15:28:33	phrik	Title: Is Gmail killing independent email? | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com)
2024-04-06 15:29:03	bookworm	greentail: that is the joke
2024-04-06 15:29:13	bookworm	so, whooosh I guess
2024-04-06 15:32:07	greentail	bookworm: so Mutt is deprecated, and Neomutt is the way to go now  
2024-04-06 15:32:35	bookworm	it was the way to go for a while, but no mutt isn't deprecated, lacking a maintainer though last I checked
2024-04-06 15:32:44	bookworm	and flat is explicitly not allowed to take over, politics
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2024-04-06 15:32:56	bookworm	alas, look at both code bases, then take your pick
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2024-04-06 15:35:13	Tom^	parakovsky: any difference?
2024-04-06 15:35:39	ponies	not sure if there is any reason to use mutt anymore, neomutt was meant to be a drop in replacement and have better plugin support or smth
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2024-04-06 15:37:11	greentail	ponies: exactly. And that should be added to the ArchWiki: there's no reason to use Mutt anymore.  
2024-04-06 15:37:37	ponies	well, there is a line there already 
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2024-04-06 15:39:07	greentail	The wiki is slow for me again, other websites are fast and work fine. Wonder if there's any issue? 
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2024-04-06 15:40:12	ponies	jelle probably sitting his fat ass on the cables again... 
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2024-04-06 15:40:27	jelle	ponies: excuse me?
2024-04-06 15:40:43	greentail	I just started systemd-resolved, which at least temporarily solved the issue of ArchWiki being slow
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2024-04-06 15:41:18	greentail	ponies: where is that line? I can't find it  
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2024-04-06 15:42:30	ponies	well the line in section 1, and the whole of section 1.1
2024-04-06 15:42:53	jelle	greentail: imap isn't the only use of mutt
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2024-04-06 15:44:45	greentail	jelle: what other uses are you referring to? 
2024-04-06 15:45:03	jelle	greentail: maildir, mailbox, sending email
2024-04-06 15:45:32	bookworm	notmuch \o/
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2024-04-06 15:47:49	greentail	ok, so it looks like for Neomutt to work with Gmail, you have to accept the GCP Terms of service, even if you have no interest whatsoever in using GCP 
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2024-04-06 15:51:11	jelle	greentail: you are at google's mercy
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2024-04-06 15:53:03	greentail	jelle: what do you use instead? 
2024-04-06 15:53:13	jelle	greentail: fastmail
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2024-04-06 15:55:51	greentail	jelle: and maildir, mailbox, and smtp work fine on Mutt with Gmail? Like, imap doesn't work in Mutt, but all those other features work fine?
2024-04-06 15:56:24	jelle	greentail: hate to say it, but please look into what mailbox/maildir is
2024-04-06 15:56:24	ponies	imap doesn't work in mutt? are you sure about that? 
2024-04-06 15:57:10	ponies	that's what i thought. not that you should use it 
2024-04-06 15:57:25	ponies	yeah yeah yeah 
2024-04-06 15:57:40	bookworm	no one should be using plain mutt anyway :P
2024-04-06 15:57:54	ponies	no use Maildir 
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2024-04-06 15:58:33	akik	so elite
2024-04-06 15:58:33	bookworm	Psi-Jack: sane emails are just text, anything else gets /dev/null'ed anyway
2024-04-06 15:58:58	ponies	its great for reading email, i can check my inbox in seconds
2024-04-06 15:59:13	bookworm	and mutt actually has real threading
2024-04-06 15:59:47	ponies	my usual is: mutt > d-d-d-d-d-q-y 
2024-04-06 15:59:51	bookworm	helps with rants like this :D  https://labrat.space/irc/b6b657d1006ab3c1/image.png 
2024-04-06 16:00:26	jelle	Psi-Jack: you don't have to judge people for what they use, thank you
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2024-04-06 16:01:19	ponies	Psi-Jack: you are ON IRC RIGHT NOW
2024-04-06 16:02:03	greentail	ponies: we all are ON IRC RIGHT NOW
2024-04-06 16:02:22	akik	damn it i thought i was in mars
2024-04-06 16:02:32	solsTiCe	I just found out by accident about the new `CacheServer` option in pacman.conf. The man page is not very verbose on that. Don't you think, that a little more explanation would be good? I am just wondering if I can open a bug/FR about that? or just ping a dev? (how?)
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2024-04-06 16:03:33	Brottweiler	Latest mutt release in march 2024, I think I will stick to that.
2024-04-06 16:04:31	ponies	solsTiCe: its one of the first lines in pacman.conf and ofc in the manpage. I'm not sure it worthwhile adding
2024-04-06 16:04:50	greentail	solsTiCe: https://man.archlinux.org/man/pacman.conf.5.en ; CacheServer does show there for me
2024-04-06 16:04:52	phrik	Title: pacman.conf(5) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2024-04-06 16:04:53	wantyapps	using thelounge with ZNC isn't the greatest idea. Look at the article in TheLounge's docs
2024-04-06 16:05:08	bookworm	wantyapps: it's fine, the maintainer does it too :P
2024-04-06 16:05:17	wantyapps	greentail: The point is that it's not documented in a verbose enough way
2024-04-06 16:05:32	wantyapps	bookworm: Yadda yadda. You are right. I used to use TheLounge with ZNC too until I moved to weechat
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2024-04-06 16:06:01	greentail	mingdao: we were talking about Gmail. Imap doesn't work in Mutt with Gmail. And for the workarounds that do work now, they'll stop working in September 2024. 
2024-04-06 16:06:25	bookworm	greentail: strange, as I was just browsing my emails in neomutt
2024-04-06 16:06:32	ponies	greentail: right, so use maildir 
2024-04-06 16:06:42	ponies	imap is old, and it's slow 
2024-04-06 16:07:04	akik	your inet connection is slow
2024-04-06 16:07:05	bookworm	greentail: just enable oauth, it really isn't that hard
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2024-04-06 16:07:18	wantyapps	I have to use neomutt as my mail server (my own, hosted by myself) reader, because I am a linux kernel maintainer and need to read proper patch files in the lists. It just works, and all other big maintainers (like Linus and gregkh) recommend it.
2024-04-06 16:07:18	siak	ponies: So the default behaviour is that it creates the same file in two places?
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2024-04-06 16:07:40	wantyapps	akik: exactly
2024-04-06 16:07:47	greentail	wantyapps: neomutt yes. It's Mutt that's the problem, not Neomutt.  
2024-04-06 16:07:53	wantyapps	greentail: roger dat
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2024-04-06 16:08:36	ponies	siak: no, the way i understand it is that NetworkManager wants to manage you dns and it does so by (default) creating (no symlinking) resolv.conf
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2024-04-06 16:09:11	greentail	wantyapps: what services or tools do you use to host your own email? 
2024-04-06 16:09:29	bookworm	inb4 postfix + dovecot
2024-04-06 16:09:38	wantyapps	A lot. Spam protection, proper spoof protection etc. It's a fork of LukeSmithXyz/emailwiz
2024-04-06 16:09:42	wantyapps	bookworm: exactly
2024-04-06 16:09:53	wantyapps	(and postfix + dovecot, like bookworm said)
2024-04-06 16:09:55	siak	ponies: The comman practice is to create a file in /run/... and symlink to it.
2024-04-06 16:10:16	greentail	bookworm: did you have to accept the GCP terms and conditions? It seems to be a requirement to get the Oauth client credentials for Gmail  
2024-04-06 16:10:24	ponies	common practice for who on what planet? 
2024-04-06 16:10:27	bookworm	siak: is it? It's something systemd-networkd special cases, traditionally it was a flat file
2024-04-06 16:10:33	wantyapps	You can read my example emails (that are correctly sent and not get immediately sent to the spam lists) in the kernel lists using my mail address me AT wantyapps DOT xyz (not self promotion.)
2024-04-06 16:10:44	bookworm	greentail: so?
2024-04-06 16:10:53	bookworm	you are already using gmail, you already accepted much worse
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2024-04-06 16:10:59	wantyapps	bookworm: :)
2024-04-06 16:11:01	bookworm	they read your email love
2024-04-06 16:11:29	siak	bookworm: Well NM does create a file in /run/... this is weired.
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2024-04-06 16:12:07	ponies	siak: well, maybe it does, i dont use NM. what of it ? 
2024-04-06 16:12:14	Scimmia	siak: the only thing weird here is your expectations
2024-04-06 16:12:21	heat_	wantyapps, fyi you're not a maintainer
2024-04-06 16:12:30	greentail	wantyapps: what do you guys use for counting website visitors instead of gooogleAnalytics?  
2024-04-06 16:12:34	wantyapps	Psi-Jack: What do you mean by "fork of 'lukesmith'"? It is just an email server setup-wiz that just-works. I just changed a couple settings in it to make it compatible with linux maintaining
2024-04-06 16:12:34	Scimmia	you're claiming things work one way without any explanation of why you think they work that way
2024-04-06 16:12:43	heat_	as in, sending loose patches is not the definition of maintainer
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2024-04-06 16:13:05	wantyapps	heat_: Sorry for using the incorrect term. In hebrew and finnish it's a kinda-direct translation
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2024-04-06 16:13:15	wantyapps	greentail: I... don't
2024-04-06 16:13:17	siak	Why are you getting personal?heat_
2024-04-06 16:13:19	greentail	heat_: "I am something of a Kernel maintainer myself"
2024-04-06 16:13:27	wantyapps	siak: it's fine it's fine
2024-04-06 16:13:33	heat_	siak, i'm... not?
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2024-04-06 16:14:10	wantyapps	Psi-Jack: I agree, he makes me cringe too. I just use his script (the only one I care about) because, again, it just-(kinda)-works
2024-04-06 16:14:18	ponies	greentail: google will tell you regardless because it's crawling your site and pageranking you 
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2024-04-06 16:14:33	chamlis	are gmail deprecating app passwords? that support article links to a page suggesting switching to app passwords if you can't use oauth
2024-04-06 16:14:42	siak	NM creating two resolv.conf files is strange and buggy. If you don't see it there is nothing I can say.
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2024-04-06 16:14:54	greentail	ponies: noindex, nofollow ; it looks like they still respect that
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2024-04-06 16:15:15	wantyapps	osc4rpt: Agree. I set it up wayyyyy before I knew anything about mail servers and proper setup
2024-04-06 16:15:24	wantyapps	wholesome chat here. Thanks for the laughs
2024-04-06 16:16:13	bookworm	chamlis: they arlready did for some, staged roll out I guess...  My access got revoked eventually and I needed to switch to oauth
2024-04-06 16:16:44	bookworm	no that they like that much either, they really want apps to use the gmail api rather than imap directly
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2024-04-06 16:18:31	wantyapps	mingdao: ymmv?
2024-04-06 16:18:49	chamlis	bookworm: that's annoying... don't suppose you have a link to an announcement for this?
2024-04-06 16:19:05	bookworm	I don't, but google can oblige
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2024-04-06 16:19:13	greentail	!ud ymmv
2024-04-06 16:19:15	phrik	greentail: No results found.
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2024-04-06 16:19:52	chamlis	everything I'm finding is only mentioning "less secure apps" and suggesting app passwords as an alternative
2024-04-06 16:20:13	wantyapps	mingdao: Don't get _that_ annoying. Again, as I've said before, in Hebrew and Finnish (I was born in Helsinki) it is a kinda-direct translation. I've used the wrong term
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2024-04-06 16:20:59	wantyapps	chamlis: Correct me if I am wrong, I think less secure apps is getting deprecated soon
2024-04-06 16:21:04	greentail	I've heard of a college course where students are required to submit something (anything) to the Linux kernel. Is that a good idea? Or not-so-good idea? 
2024-04-06 16:22:06	chamlis	wantyapps: from what I'm gathering less secure apps use your main google password, which it makes sense to deprecate
2024-04-06 16:22:30	wantyapps	greentail: I don't think it is a good idea. I believe you should submit a patch only if it fixes something, not if you only want to submit a patch. One can send a couple of (easy) coding-style patches, like I've done tons of times, and get them accepted quickly. Although, I think of it as the same idea of not going shopping if you don't have something you want to buy in mind
2024-04-06 16:22:40	greentail	mingdao: oh ok. After the University of Minnesota fiasco, I thought you were not suppose to force college students to submit stuff to the kernel 
2024-04-06 16:23:07	jelle	Psi-Jack: certbot does not require nginx or apache
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2024-04-06 16:23:36	wantyapps	Psi-Jack: I've run certbot independently for countless of times
2024-04-06 16:23:52	jelle	Psi-Jack: it does not
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2024-04-06 16:24:12	ponies	Psi-Jack: cerbot has the --nginx flag which can install and update certificates in nginx.conf
2024-04-06 16:24:33	jelle	Psi-Jack: you can do dns
2024-04-06 16:25:12	wantyapps	mingdao: Yes
2024-04-06 16:26:16	ponies	certbot-nginx in an optional dependency 
2024-04-06 16:26:27	wantyapps	ponies: obviously
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2024-04-06 16:27:30	wantyapps	mingdao: What are the diffs between the two? Should I switch from certbot --standalone and certbot --nginx?
2024-04-06 16:27:33	ponies	though that was the non-obvious point of his conversation 
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2024-04-06 16:28:40	wantyapps	mingdao: It's fine! I've been on break from IRC (for a couple of months) until recently rejoining
2024-04-06 16:29:03	wantyapps	mingdao: how come?
2024-04-06 16:29:05	ponies	wantyapps: certbot --nginx: installs. certbot certonly --nginx : updates. cerbot certonly --standalone: no configurations are updates and the cert installed in /etc/../
2024-04-06 16:29:14	tirnanog	wantyapps: basically, acme-tiny is less than 200 lines of code that does one thing well: accept an acme account key and signing request as its inputs then (hopefully) print a signed chain to the standard output before exiting successfully. nothing more, nothing less.
2024-04-06 16:29:31	wantyapps	tursom: HUH. I'll try that
2024-04-06 16:29:33	tirnanog	it doesn't want root access, it doesn't want to manipulate your apache/nginx/whatever config or anything else.
2024-04-06 16:29:40	wantyapps	mingdao: How come you've noticed me rejoining from break?
2024-04-06 16:29:51	wantyapps	tirnanog: sounds awesome
2024-04-06 16:30:10	wantyapps	This is probably getting too offtopic. We can try moving the convo to #linux
2024-04-06 16:30:26	wantyapps	Psi-Jack: Yeah. That's why I only changed a couple of things
2024-04-06 16:30:41	wantyapps	mingdao: that's very cool
2024-04-06 16:31:02	wantyapps	Psi-Jack: Why though? I don't see any problems with it?
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2024-04-06 16:31:39	wantyapps	Psi-Jack: OK then.
2024-04-06 16:32:05	◥	hollowman (~hollowman@openSUSE/member/hollowman) has joined #archlinux
2024-04-06 16:32:46	wantyapps	Psi-Jack: Will research.
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2024-04-06 16:35:29	susi	wantyapps: ymmv = 'your mileage may vary', lotta used phrase, meaning your experience on something may be different to the other one's
2024-04-06 16:35:41	wantyapps	susi: FINALLY. Thanks for the info
2024-04-06 16:35:51	wantyapps	(Finnish is my native lang, not english(
2024-04-06 16:35:53	wantyapps	)
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2024-04-06 16:37:13	susi	the best language
2024-04-06 16:37:29	wantyapps	Hyvä Suomi!
2024-04-06 16:37:53	wantyapps	Psi-Jack: Such a niche one, that no one speaks it. you can have private conversations in a busy street with noone understanding you
2024-04-06 16:38:04	susi	Psi-Jack: I think it has extraordinary powers of/for expression
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2024-04-06 16:38:50	wantyapps	Psi-Jack: Very nice.
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2024-04-06 16:40:51	wantyapps	Psi-Jack: Are you also on r/homelab?
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2024-04-06 16:41:19	wantyapps	espresso: o/
2024-04-06 16:41:37	wantyapps	OH
2024-04-06 16:41:39	wantyapps	alright
2024-04-06 16:41:48	rwhoops	My esp partition lives on /boot, which contains my microcode, initram, and vmlinuz. I'm using EFISTUB as a "bootloader" (i.e. directly booting arch through uefi). However, /boot does not contain an EFI folder, which fwupdmgr seemingly expects for a UEFI firmware update. Should /boot/EFI exist or be mounted somehow, or do I rather have to somehow tell fwupdmgr that everything lives on /boot? 
2024-04-06 16:42:35	wantyapps	Psi-Jack: I don't think of you as toxic. In fact, I just added you to my IRC friend list :)
2024-04-06 16:42:46	wantyapps	Also, welcome to Finnish humor
2024-04-06 16:43:03	rwhoops	(also, /sys/firmware/efi/ exists)
2024-04-06 16:43:16	Scimmia	rwhoops: EFI should be a dir on the ESP, not a separate partition anyway. Just make it
2024-04-06 16:43:27	wantyapps	Psi-Jack: Linus is a Swedish-Speaking Finn, living in Portland
2024-04-06 16:43:34	greentail	wantyapps: how can I see my IRC friend list?
2024-04-06 16:43:54	wantyapps	greentail: read about /notify
2024-04-06 16:43:58	wantyapps	not exactly a friends list
2024-04-06 16:44:00	greentail	Psi-Jack: I use Weechat as client
2024-04-06 16:44:05	wantyapps	(also, to note that /notify is in weechat only)
2024-04-06 16:44:12	rwhoops	Scimmia: okay, guess I will just mkdir a folder on /boot named EFI and see if that works. 
2024-04-06 16:44:22	wantyapps	rwhoops: will not
2024-04-06 16:44:42	wantyapps	Psi-Jack: hefty setup, dayum
2024-04-06 16:44:58	wantyapps	DAYUM
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2024-04-06 16:46:27	greentail	wantyapps: I just added to my `notify` ; how can I see the list of people who have been added?
2024-04-06 16:46:34	wantyapps	./notify
2024-04-06 16:46:38	greentail	s/added to/added you to/
2024-04-06 16:46:44	greentail	./notify
2024-04-06 16:46:46	wantyapps	it will live notify you when somebody you added is closing the connection
2024-04-06 16:46:55	wantyapps	no no
2024-04-06 16:46:57	wantyapps	remove the dot :)
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2024-04-06 16:48:54	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-06 16:47:27	greentail	wantyapps: I removed the dot, and nothing happens
2024-04-06 16:47:33	wantyapps	look in the main buffer
2024-04-06 16:47:36	greentail	What I did was ./notify add wantyapps 
2024-04-06 16:47:39	wantyapps	for the server, not the channel
2024-04-06 16:47:41	espresso	rwhoops: many do use /boot/ESP.. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFI_system_partition only does have to exist as a folder
2024-04-06 16:47:41	phrik	Title: EFI system partition - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-06 16:47:41	wantyapps	greentail: good.
2024-04-06 16:47:52	greentail	wantyapps: thank you!
2024-04-06 16:48:00	wantyapps	you should probably read the user's guide to weechat if you are having trouble :)
2024-04-06 16:48:03	wantyapps	there's really good docs
2024-04-06 16:48:14	wantyapps	greentail: no worries. I added you too
2024-04-06 16:48:18	vardo	Hello. I'm following instructions from the following wiki article to install Arch on a new machine. In order to use the USB key, it says I should use lsblk to make sure the USB drive is not mounted. However I don't know how to interpret lsblk output. I see my USB key as "sdc" and a subcategory "sdc1". "sdc1" as a path /run/media/... under the "Mountpoints" column title. Am I right to consider
2024-04-06 16:48:18	vardo	that my USB key is 
2024-04-06 16:48:18	vardo	indeed mounted and I need to unmount it first before writing my iso file on it?  Wiki:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/USB_flash_installation_medium
2024-04-06 16:48:20	phrik	Title: USB flash installation medium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-06 16:48:51	greentail	wantyapps: I am reading the Weechat docs. But it does not say that ./notify without any argument shows you the list. I don't see it documented
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2024-04-06 16:48:59	wantyapps	oh well
2024-04-06 16:49:12	greentail	wantyapps: oh I think I found it
2024-04-06 16:49:24	wantyapps	no worries, use /help notify for more info
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2024-04-06 16:49:38	MrElendig	findmnt is also a good alternative to lsblk to see if something is mounted
2024-04-06 16:49:56	greentail	MrElendig: findmnt is the real deal
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2024-04-06 16:50:50	MrElendig	and of course /dev/disk/by-*
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2024-04-06 16:51:16	vardo	MrElendig, thank you. So if I see the USB key in both programs output, I should unmount the USB key right? 
2024-04-06 16:51:41	MrElendig	if its mounted, yes
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2024-04-06 16:52:27	rwhoops	espresso: so, what your are saying is manually creating /boot/EFI might satisfy fwupdmgr for the purposes of installing an UEFI update? FTR, my setup matches the first scenario in section 4.1 of https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFI_system_partition (my ESP is mounted to /boot, as far as I know, though there's no EFI folder therein). 
2024-04-06 16:52:28	phrik	Title: EFI system partition - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-06 16:52:50	vardo	MrElendig: I tried umount sdc1 but it doesn't work, should I use the path instead?
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2024-04-06 16:53:29	rwhoops	Also, the error after sudo fwupdmgr I'm getting is "Failed to create '/boot/EFI/UpdateCapsule': Read-only file system"
2024-04-06 16:54:14	vardo	Ok, that worked
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2024-04-06 16:55:26	MrElendig	!errors
2024-04-06 16:55:27	phrik	Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2024-04-06 16:56:06	MrElendig	rwhoops: findmnt -T /boot/EFI/
2024-04-06 16:56:07	espresso	rwhoops: yes, actually arch install recommends /boot/ESP, and most ESP utiltities seem to check it (but for this, /boot does need mounted with 'rw' to update it, not 'ro')
2024-04-06 16:56:33	espresso	*EFI
2024-04-06 16:57:39	rwhoops	!paste
2024-04-06 16:57:40	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-06 16:57:41	Scimmia	espresso: arch install never, ever recommends /boot/EFI
2024-04-06 16:57:50	Scimmia	and /boot/ESP isn't a thing at all
2024-04-06 16:58:37	espresso	Scimmia: I meant EFI. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide#Mount_the_file_systems
2024-04-06 16:58:38	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-06 16:58:54	vardo	So I followed the next instruction, to copy the iso on the key, but it says it cannot create the file: cp: cannot create regular file '/dev/disk/by-id/usb-USB_SanDisk_3.2Gen1_09017051b8dd64fb7877e0a9cbcba189db071ae13043cf25cfd3826dbcfbc910e8f3000000000000000000001c9757efff9d2d2081558107aaaccdf0-0:0': Permission denied
2024-04-06 16:59:07	Scimmia	espresso: /boot isn't /boot/EFI
2024-04-06 16:59:12	MrElendig	vardo: as root?
2024-04-06 16:59:17	rwhoops	MrElendig:  findmnt -T /boot/EFI/ returns nothing — my whole problem is that said folder doesn't exist.  sudo parted -l lists this: https://gist.github.com/rien333/a009e6dc90fbb5e2f6b6febb3db8ce77
2024-04-06 16:59:36	vardo	MrElendig, no, the wiki didn't mention it. Let me try as root.
2024-04-06 16:59:39	MrElendig	rwhoops: where is your esp mounted?
2024-04-06 16:59:44	espresso	Scimmia: I did not say /boot is /boot/EFI, I said it suggests /boot as location for it..
2024-04-06 16:59:45	MrElendig	vardo: pretty sure it does
2024-04-06 17:00:00	rwhoops	MrElendig: /boot (as parted also shows)
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2024-04-06 17:00:36	Scimmia	Psi-Jack: right, the issue is that espresso keeps refering to /boot/ESP as a mount point
2024-04-06 17:00:51	espresso	Scimmia: I did say it only needs to be a folder..
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2024-04-06 17:01:16	rwhoops	espresso: /boot is mounted rw (and indeed, I can write to it when using sudo), but I suppose I can check if remounting works
2024-04-06 17:01:34	vardo	MrElendig: I read the wiki article again, it does not mention the command has to be entered as root: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/USB_flash_installation_medium
2024-04-06 17:01:35	phrik	Title: USB flash installation medium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-06 17:01:59	rwhoops	@vardo: if a command is prefixed with "#" rather than "$" it means "run as root"
2024-04-06 17:02:13	vardo	rwhoops, ah ok, I didn't know that. Thanks.
2024-04-06 17:02:40	Scimmia	rwhoops: did you restart the fwupd service?
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2024-04-06 17:03:06	Scimmia	rwhoops: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fwupd#Prepare_ESP
2024-04-06 17:03:08	phrik	Title: fwupd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-06 17:06:08	rwhoops	Scimmia: That's very silly of me, that is probably it
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2024-04-06 17:07:26	⚡ 	espresso had not yet reached appropriate levels of coffee; sorry for any confusion :)
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2024-04-06 17:18:22	greentail	should I install fwupd. How is it that I've never heard of it before? I dont't remember it being mentioned in the InstallationGuide
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2024-04-06 17:19:58	jelle	greentail: is it a laptop?
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2024-04-06 17:20:31	MrElendig	you can update everything manually instead, also not all hardware makers supports fwupd
2024-04-06 17:20:35	MrElendig	so ymmv
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2024-04-06 17:20:51	dumbledoor	how to copy from tmux to system clipboard on wayland?
2024-04-06 17:21:05	dumbledoor	is it possible without third party plugins?
2024-04-06 17:21:06	MrElendig	(and some like logitech claims they support it, but its broken af)
2024-04-06 17:21:17	MrElendig	dumbledoor: depending on the compositor
2024-04-06 17:21:38	MrElendig	dumbledoor: that said, wl-paste works with most
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2024-04-06 17:21:48	MrElendig	wl-clipboard*
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2024-04-06 17:21:55	greentail	wantyapps: for any acronyms or phrases you are unfamiliar with, you can use UrbanDictionary  
2024-04-06 17:22:07	wantyapps	greentail: great idea
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2024-04-06 17:22:22	MrElendig	dumbledoor: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/wl-clipboard/
2024-04-06 17:22:24	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - wl-clipboard 1:2.2.1-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
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2024-04-06 17:22:52	dumbledoor	oh tahnks mrelendig, i did pacman -S wl-copy by mistake and thought it wasn't there
2024-04-06 17:23:01	greentail	jelle: so fwupd is intended mainly for laptops
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2024-04-06 17:23:16	jelle	greentail: it is not, but for you it is
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2024-04-06 17:24:21	rwhoops	Thanks everyone who helped out with my issue! It was indeed just a matter of mkdir /boot/EFI, and then restarting fwupd.service.
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2024-04-06 17:25:05	greentail	jelle: i don't get it. Were you being sarcastic? 
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2024-04-06 17:25:21	jelle	greentail: yes, you take things quite literal
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2024-04-06 17:26:10	greentail	jelle: can you explain the joke? I'm lost 
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2024-04-06 17:26:27	jelle	greentail: there is no joke, but you can do some research
2024-04-06 17:26:38	jelle	Psi-Jack: why? it hardly mattes
2024-04-06 17:26:53	jelle	which is similiar?
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2024-04-06 17:27:22	greentail	Psi-Jack: so zstd has zero backdoors?  
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2024-04-06 17:28:39	MrElendig	dumbledoor: and then set the tmux copy-command to it
2024-04-06 17:29:37	greentail	Psi-Jack: social engineering? the guys who introduced the xz baackdoor /were/ engineers, software engineers
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2024-04-06 17:30:02	ponies	strange to switch from xz. the exploit was fixed, no? 
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2024-04-06 17:31:22	vardo	MrElendig: I'm using iwctl to connect to the wifi, but I get "operation failed" after I tried to connect. This wifi requires a web login, can I still connect to it?
2024-04-06 17:31:36	MrElendig	use networkmanager
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2024-04-06 17:31:44	MrElendig	specially if its eduroam
2024-04-06 17:31:56	jelle	Psi-Jack: stop being silly :)
2024-04-06 17:32:01	vardo	What's eduroam?
2024-04-06 17:32:03	greentail	MrElendig: is vardo using eduroam?
2024-04-06 17:32:19	jelle	Psi-Jack: seriously silly yes
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2024-04-06 17:32:32	greentail	vardo: your college doesn't use eduroam?
2024-04-06 17:32:36	MrElendig	though captive portals are possible with iwctl too
2024-04-06 17:33:00	jelle	Psi-Jack: the maintainer is free to choose whatever he wants, and he did benchmarks and found zstd has the same results as xz for his use case
2024-04-06 17:33:02	vardo	greentail, what college? 
2024-04-06 17:33:03	dumbledoor	what do i have to do after installing wl-clipboard to copy from tmux to system clipboard
2024-04-06 17:33:06	jelle	Psi-Jack: for once, zstd is maintained
2024-04-06 17:33:21	vardo	MrElendig, I treid 
2024-04-06 17:33:21	greentail	vardo: what commands did you run on iwctl?  
2024-04-06 17:33:21	MrElendig	dumbledoor: as I said, set the copy-command
2024-04-06 17:33:23	ponies	yeah it only targeted certain machines and certain kernels right? old kernels iirc 
2024-04-06 17:33:30	greentail	vardo: the college you attend or attended in the past  
2024-04-06 17:33:35	jelle	ponies: it did not
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2024-04-06 17:34:01	vardo	MrElendig, I tried to start NetworkManager using systemctl but it cannot find it
2024-04-06 17:34:06	ponies	how many days has this been known? 
2024-04-06 17:34:11	jelle	ponies: please take it offtopic
2024-04-06 17:34:14	jelle	and read some news
2024-04-06 17:34:21	vardo	greentail, I am 47, why are you talking about college to me?
2024-04-06 17:34:25	greentail	jelle: Arch-rollingRelease was not as affected as Debian-unstable by the xz baackdoor
2024-04-06 17:34:27	MrElendig	vardo: on install image? sadly no nm there (yet)
2024-04-06 17:34:37	vardo	MrElendig, yes, the install image
2024-04-06 17:34:39	ponies	grump
2024-04-06 17:34:39	MrElendig	dumbledoor: set -s copy-command 'wl-copy'
2024-04-06 17:35:36	vardo	MrElendig, you said I can use a captive portal with iwctl?
2024-04-06 17:35:49	greentail	vardo: 47yo people are not prohibited from going to college
2024-04-06 17:35:59	vardo	greentail, whatever
2024-04-06 17:35:59	MrElendig	yes, if the portal works with a cli browser
2024-04-06 17:36:20	vardo	MrElendig, I think it does
2024-04-06 17:36:38	vardo	MrElendig, there is no login to enter, just load some webpage
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2024-04-06 17:37:22	MrElendig	you might find it easier to simply usb theather to your phone though for the install
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2024-04-06 17:38:10	vardo	If I do that, I lose the connection on this computer and cannot use IRC
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2024-04-06 17:38:21	wantyapps	vardo: use znc
2024-04-06 17:38:30	vardo	wantyapps, ok thanks, will look into it
2024-04-06 17:38:41	jelle	Psi-Jack: please.. no more of this nonsense 
2024-04-06 17:39:04	jelle	Psi-Jack: what you just said to greentail 
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2024-04-06 17:39:06	greentail	Psi-Jack: only in america you can become a billionaire without a college degree
2024-04-06 17:39:19	MrElendig	post the full iwctl output etc though
2024-04-06 17:39:53	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [+o jelle] by ChanServ
2024-04-06 17:39:55	MrElendig	greentail: eh, there are some european scamcoin billionairs too etc
2024-04-06 17:40:09	◣	jelle has kicked Psi-Jack (only psi-jack knows best about everything so can't hang around here)
2024-04-06 17:40:17	wantyapps	whaaaat
2024-04-06 17:40:19	wantyapps	ok
2024-04-06 17:40:21	wantyapps	sure
2024-04-06 17:40:30	@jelle	wantyapps: what's up?
2024-04-06 17:40:33	vardo	I used station wlan0 get-networks first
2024-04-06 17:40:33	wantyapps	nevermind.
2024-04-06 17:40:50	wantyapps	Just didn't particularly agree with your decision about kicking him. No worries tho
2024-04-06 17:40:56	vardo	The network name appeared correctly "Anae_wifi"
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2024-04-06 17:41:21	vardo	Then station wlan0 connect Anae_wifi returned "Operation failed"
2024-04-06 17:41:21	greentail	wantyapps: it was just a kick, not a ban
2024-04-06 17:41:25	wantyapps	yeah yeah
2024-04-06 17:41:26	ponies	wantyapps: don't worry, jelle love's being dick here 
2024-04-06 17:41:28	@jelle	wantyapps: this is a support channel, not a I rant about everything and tell everyone I know better channel
2024-04-06 17:41:29	wantyapps	again, no worries
2024-04-06 17:41:50	wantyapps	jelle: New perspective for me. Thanks for clarifying that
2024-04-06 17:41:59	wantyapps	ok. thanks for the info!
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2024-04-06 17:43:16	vardo	MrElendig, apparently if I use quotes  "Anae_wifi", it works
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2024-04-06 17:43:56	wantyapps	vardo: Interesting, as there are no characters to escape!
2024-04-06 17:44:15	vardo	wantyapps, I guess...
2024-04-06 17:45:01	dmr104	pacman -F gtk3 produces no output.  i believe this is because gtk3 is a package group.  How do i query pacman for a package group?
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2024-04-06 17:45:44	Namarrgon	-F is for finding packaged files, not for looking up package names/groups
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2024-04-06 17:45:58	wantyapps	Namarrgon: ya, I believe -Q is for query
2024-04-06 17:46:06	greentail	wantyapps: underscore is a character that needs to be escaped in iwctl 2.17 , apparently
2024-04-06 17:46:10	Namarrgon	pacman -Sg <group>
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2024-04-06 17:46:19	wantyapps	greentail: HUH
2024-04-06 17:46:26	Namarrgon	or -Qg for local queries
2024-04-06 17:46:31	vardo	How do I open a captive portal now I connected to the wifi?
2024-04-06 17:46:32	MrElendig	not that gtk3 is a group
2024-04-06 17:46:35	vardo	Using a cli client
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2024-04-06 17:46:48	vardo	I tried to run Installation_guide, but it won't connect
2024-04-06 17:46:58	dmr104	Namarrgon: thanks
2024-04-06 17:47:22	greentail	vardo: try your smartphone as a hotspot
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2024-04-06 17:47:24	MrElendig	can't remember which cli browser the install image comes with these days
2024-04-06 17:47:37	paperbenni	Hello, I am having a problem with my monitor setup and have no idea where to even begin looking for solutions. Lightdm doesn't start, gdm only starts wayland desktop environments, anything X11 immediately crashes. ly both starts and can launch X11 DEs
2024-04-06 17:47:39	wantyapps	MrElendig: I believe Lynx
2024-04-06 17:47:44	vardo	MrElendig, lynx is included
2024-04-06 17:47:53	MrElendig	fire it up and hope for the best then
2024-04-06 17:47:53	greentail	MrElendig: is it w3m? Or links?
2024-04-06 17:48:01	vardo	I did, but it hangs as well
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2024-04-06 17:48:16	vardo	Maybe I should try to enter the exact wifi web page address, brb
2024-04-06 17:48:18	greentail	paperbenni: try the LTS kernel
2024-04-06 17:48:31	MrElendig	for some portals like fortinet there are some scripts floating around
2024-04-06 17:48:50	MrElendig	it really depends on the portal
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2024-04-06 17:48:51	paperbenni	whenever I am in X11, the only monitor detected is called 'None-1' even though I have two, and both have an audio output, both of which aren't detected
2024-04-06 17:49:00	greentail	vardo: does it ping?
2024-04-06 17:49:25	paperbenni	I have an AMD GPU. What section of the wiki could I start looking for solutions in?
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2024-04-06 17:49:44	greentail	paperbenni: what's the output of `uname -r`
2024-04-06 17:50:03	paperbenni	@greentail 6.6.25-1-lts
2024-04-06 17:50:23	MrElendig	paperbenni: read the logs
2024-04-06 17:50:26	paperbenni	I have tried both linux-lts and linux
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2024-04-06 17:50:59	paperbenni	MrElendig: Which ones? I have read the X11 logs, didn't find anything odd
2024-04-06 17:51:07	cake37	paperbenni: what do you see in the journal when x apps crash?
2024-04-06 17:51:17	MrElendig	journalctl and whatever lightdm logs to
2024-04-06 17:51:58	paperbenni	MrElendig: ok thanks, I'll try that brb
2024-04-06 17:52:06	greentail	paperbenni: sends us the output of coredumpctl
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2024-04-06 17:52:32	dumbledoor	mrelendig: i put set -s copy-command 'wl-copy' in my tmux.conf it's still not working. is some other option from my config file interfering with it: https://paste.debian.net/1313305?
2024-04-06 17:53:37	MrElendig	did you restart tmux?
2024-04-06 17:53:41	greentail	dumbledoor: if you make it work, please write a blog post and send it to me. I'm switching from X11 to Wayland, and I will need that sort of information
2024-04-06 17:54:00	vardo	Ok, so I created a hotspot on this computer, the one using usb tethering, and I connected to this wifi using my new computer. Now I can read the installation guide.
2024-04-06 17:54:08	MrElendig	and paste.debian.net doesn't seem to load
2024-04-06 17:54:37	MrElendig	oh, just zomgslow and half-broken
2024-04-06 17:54:49	greentail	vardo: how did you create the hotspot?
2024-04-06 17:55:13	greentail	MrElendig: what's zomgslow?
2024-04-06 17:55:39	vardo	greentail: using gnome
2024-04-06 17:55:43	greentail	Psi-Jack: sorry, I don't know what you mean
2024-04-06 17:55:49	dumbledoor	i did restart
2024-04-06 17:55:54	dumbledoor	psi-jack: alacritty
2024-04-06 17:56:12	MrElendig	greentail: https://arch.har-ikkje.net/gfx/zomg.jpg
2024-04-06 17:56:32	dumbledoor	mrelendig: could mode-keys vi be intefering?
2024-04-06 17:56:34	paperbenni	greentail: https://paste.rs/81cmM.txt
2024-04-06 17:56:36	phrik	Title: Source Code | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
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2024-04-06 17:56:55	dumbledoor	psi-jack: oh alacritty supports copying? i'll look into it too
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2024-04-06 17:58:03	ponies	better it has copy via selection. not sure if any other terminals i've used had that 
2024-04-06 17:58:07	greentail	MrElendig: pasystray seems to be the problem
2024-04-06 17:59:52	greentail	paperbenni: what DE are you using? 
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2024-04-06 18:00:46	greentail	paperbenni: I don't have pasystray installed. What did you install it for? 
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2024-04-06 18:03:49	vardo	Ok I don't understand this. When I run fdisk on the disk where I left unpartitioned free space, "p" lists 4 partitions. "F" shows 2 unpartitioned areas. Then when I use "n" to add a new partition, it asks a partition number, 5 is the default. Should I understand from this that "5" is okay, even though the unpartioned space is located between partition number 3 and number 4?
2024-04-06 18:04:38	greentail	paperbenni: try with i3wm, do you still get the same issues?
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2024-04-06 18:05:22	greentail	Psi-Jack: when you said GPT the first thing that came to mind was Generative pretrained transformers, as opposed to GUID partition table
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2024-04-06 18:05:51	ponies	vardo: yeah thats fine. the next partition has to be #5 regardless of where it is 
2024-04-06 18:06:02	paperbenni	greentail: I am using i3wm, and I can try uninstalling pasystray. I don't remember installing it
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2024-04-06 18:06:05	vardo	ponies, thank you
2024-04-06 18:06:14	greentail	Psi-Jack: I see your message as an empty square and a "female" symbol. What fonts am I missing? 
2024-04-06 18:06:22	Scimmia	you can reorder the partitions in fdisk as well
2024-04-06 18:06:29	Scimmia	the partition numbers, I mean
2024-04-06 18:06:45	vardo	Is it better to create a swap partition or to create swap as a file.
2024-04-06 18:06:46	vardo	?
2024-04-06 18:06:59	Namarrgon	whatever works best for you
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2024-04-06 18:07:14	Namarrgon	partitions are simpler, files are more flexible
2024-04-06 18:07:17	vardo	Namarrgon, ok thanks
2024-04-06 18:07:19	greentail	paperbenni: read the output of `pacman -Qii pasystray` ; what's the "installed reason"
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2024-04-06 18:08:03	greentail	Scimmia: cfdisk is much superior to fdisk
2024-04-06 18:08:10	vardo	Namarrgon, can I run the full installation of arch without any swap file? I have 32 GB RAM
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2024-04-06 18:08:24	ponies	yes
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2024-04-06 18:08:27	vardo	Thanks
2024-04-06 18:08:35	Namarrgon	vardo: you probably could but a small amount of swap is usually good
2024-04-06 18:08:36	paperbenni	greentail: I already uninstalled it, maybe should've waited
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2024-04-06 18:09:12	greentail	paperbenni: you should be fine. You can always reinstall it after you've solved your current problem
2024-04-06 18:09:14	vardo	Namarrgon, ah ok
2024-04-06 18:09:16	Namarrgon	vardo: you can add a swap file/partition later, you don#t need it for the installation
2024-04-06 18:10:11	greentail	so zswap is 10yo already but I don't remember seeing it mentioned it on the InstallationGuide. Shouldn't we add it there?
2024-04-06 18:10:37	Namarrgon	it's not required
2024-04-06 18:10:57	vardo	Namarrgon, alright, creating only the main partition then
2024-04-06 18:10:58	greentail	Namarrgon: you can add a partition later? For that he would need to leave some GB of partition as free space and leave it unused
2024-04-06 18:11:10	Namarrgon	greentail: sure
2024-04-06 18:11:23	vardo	? should I leave space then?
2024-04-06 18:11:28	alyptik	greentail: xswap is not really relevant to installation
2024-04-06 18:11:34	Namarrgon	vardo: only if you want to add partitions later
2024-04-06 18:11:37	alyptik	s/xswap/zswap/
2024-04-06 18:11:43	Namarrgon	yswap
2024-04-06 18:11:45	vardo	I'd prefer to use files for swap
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2024-04-06 18:12:01	Namarrgon	vardo: then you don't need to leave free space for a swap partition
2024-04-06 18:12:05	vardo	Ok thanks
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2024-04-06 18:13:09	greentail	Psi-Jack: roger that
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2024-04-06 18:13:48	alyptik	i haven't used swap in a while
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2024-04-06 18:14:39	alyptik	you can't hibernate into a swapfile indeed, you need a partition
2024-04-06 18:14:39	Namarrgon	resume-from-disk works with a swap file, too
2024-04-06 18:15:13	Namarrgon	since a long time
2024-04-06 18:15:30	vardo	Should I attribute a partition type to the new partition? The list is pretty long. Or can I just use mkfs.ext4 on it after I save fdisk changes?
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2024-04-06 18:16:10	vardo	Number 23 is Linux root x86-64
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2024-04-06 18:16:30	espresso	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide#Partition_the_disks does briefly mention and link to Swap page (with zram, zswap, files etc)
2024-04-06 18:16:32	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-06 18:16:41	Namarrgon	you can pick the generi "linux" type but it's not terribly important
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2024-04-06 18:17:12	Namarrgon	"man systemd-gpt-auto-generator" has a list of as well
2024-04-06 18:17:16	vardo	Namarrgon, fdisk already list my new partition as linux system even before I chose a type, so I can leave it as is and save fdisk changes?
2024-04-06 18:17:19	Namarrgon	s/of//
2024-04-06 18:17:29	Namarrgon	vardo: yes, that's fine
2024-04-06 18:17:33	vardo	ty
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2024-04-06 18:28:10	vardo	I'm using reflector to get the best mirrors, but it returns a warning for every mirror, saying it cannot rate http download from them, timing out after 5 seconds, is it normal?
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2024-04-06 18:28:39	Namarrgon	can you ping any of them?
2024-04-06 18:28:40	edu4rdshl	vardo, is your internet connection fine?
2024-04-06 18:29:16	vardo	Yes I do
2024-04-06 18:29:44	MrElendig	just pick a https mirror closeish to you and try it
2024-04-06 18:29:47	edu4rdshl	I usually just go with https://cloudflaremirrors.com/
2024-04-06 18:29:49	phrik	Title: Cloudflare Mirrors (at cloudflaremirrors.com)
2024-04-06 18:29:52	edu4rdshl	And it works fine
2024-04-06 18:29:53	MrElendig	that has a decent mirror score
2024-04-06 18:30:01	MrElendig	and do use https, not http
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2024-04-06 18:31:17	vardo	I removed --sort rate, I guess it's the same as what you're suggesting
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2024-04-06 18:33:23	archie	wait, who is the owner of CloudfareMirrors.com ? ArchLinux? Or Cloudflare? 
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2024-04-06 18:34:23	@jelle	cloudflare ofcourse
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2024-04-06 18:36:03	vardo	Good question
2024-04-06 18:36:19	Namarrgon	it's not just for arch
2024-04-06 18:36:40	vardo	Not just a webpage, a domain
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2024-04-06 18:40:28	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1478 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1477 regular)
2024-04-06 18:37:30	Namarrgon	why does anyone host mirrors for oss projects?
2024-04-06 18:39:11	jelle	greentail: that's a good joke :)
2024-04-06 18:39:50	espresso	they do tend more toward the psychopathic, so 'a just question, my liege'.
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2024-04-06 18:45:10	vardo	OK so basically I should have left the original mirrorlist, using my country's ones made the D/L like 50 times slower
2024-04-06 18:45:34	vardo	I'm back to using the original list
2024-04-06 18:46:18	espresso	I think https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Reflector can help there
2024-04-06 18:46:20	phrik	Title: Reflector - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-06 18:48:01	edu4rdshl	Some days ago someone was complaining why I recommended noto fonts, lol. "It's from Google, why are you recommending Google software on Linux?"
2024-04-06 18:48:14	edu4rdshl	Some people is funny
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2024-04-06 18:51:56	espresso	edu4rdshl: yeah, I like Noto font family. G has spun off a number of projects that benefit FOSS and maybe not the brand.
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2024-04-06 19:03:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-06 19:03:45	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1475 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1474 regular)
2024-04-06 18:54:38	edu4rdshl	If it weren't for the big tech companies, Linux wouldn't be even a bit closer to what's today
2024-04-06 18:59:02	evilpyro	Hello, I just noticed that pressing Shift+Space does something to my keyboard layout where t->&, y->#, b->@ ...
2024-04-06 18:59:14	vardo	Is there an easy way to install everything that's on the live install onto the new arch system? There's a file named pkglist.x86_64.txt that contains the list of the packages. Can I find it in the live usb key, and can I feed it to pacman?
2024-04-06 18:59:39	evilpyro	I've already checked kde's shortcuts and it doesn't seem to be a keybind, neither I have more than one layout etc
2024-04-06 19:00:17	evilpyro	interestingly the change of layout is only effective to the window I used the shift+space keybind
2024-04-06 19:00:26	evilpyro	help, this is annoying to hell
2024-04-06 19:00:59	edu4rdshl	vardo, that file is only on the repos.
2024-04-06 19:01:49	edu4rdshl	If you want to install everything on the live system, just do a `pacman -Qq` to get all the packages on the live iso and use that output.
2024-04-06 19:02:00	edu4rdshl	I do not see why you want to do that but
2024-04-06 19:02:05	espresso	vardo: but could in theory do pacman -S $(< pkglist.txt)
2024-04-06 19:02:19	vardo	espresso: thanks
2024-04-06 19:03:17	evilpyro	greentail, yes, any program. and the layout change only "exists" within that window
2024-04-06 19:03:20	evilpyro	X11
2024-04-06 19:03:45	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-06 19:06:48	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-06 19:04:28	evilpyro	I dont have it installed, give me a sec
2024-04-06 19:05:14	evilpyro	might disconect from irc while trying, brb
2024-04-06 19:06:39	vardo	espresso, the list contains both the package name and the version, pacstrap returns errors because of the versions, so I should strip them from the file first
2024-04-06 19:06:48	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-06 19:07:38	espresso	vardo: woops, I guess something like that makes sense
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2024-04-06 19:08:43	vardo	Thanks, chatgpt suggested awk '{print $1}' input.txt > words_only.txt
2024-04-06 19:09:13	teraflops	what's wrong with Qq?
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2024-04-06 19:10:24	evilpyro	greentail, tried in i3, shift+space also changes my layout there
2024-04-06 19:10:40	evilpyro	I guess this means its some X problem?
2024-04-06 19:10:40	Aryan	alad, 
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2024-04-06 19:13:17	evilpyro	why is i3's version relevant?
2024-04-06 19:13:35	evilpyro	i3 version 4.23 © 2009 Michael Stapelberg and contributors
2024-04-06 19:14:17	orbisvicis	why would netcat be unable to resolve 127.0.0.1 ?
2024-04-06 19:15:02	evilpyro	6.8.2-arch2-1
2024-04-06 19:15:09	teraflops	orbisvicis: which exact command?
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2024-04-06 19:16:09	orbisvicis	teraflops: netcat -l 127.0.0.1 1234
2024-04-06 19:16:38	Aryan	alad, then if I read the scripts, is there a chance I could not understand it? because m4 will process the scripts and replaces stuff in there?
2024-04-06 19:16:59	orbisvicis	teraflops: also, netcat -l 0 1234
2024-04-06 19:17:18	evilpyro	greentail, last time I thied wayland it broke so many stuff, even returning to X11 keept things broken
2024-04-06 19:17:22	evilpyro	tried*
2024-04-06 19:17:36	teraflops	orbisvicis: pacman -Q netcat
2024-04-06 19:17:52	orbisvicis	gnu-netcat 0.7.1-9
2024-04-06 19:18:03	teraflops	wfm using openbsd-netcat 
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2024-04-06 19:18:42	evilpyro	what its weird to me is that the layout change is perfectly reproducible with the shift+space keybind, and I can toggle it again to "fix" it, it's also per-window. So it really looks like some kind of feature
2024-04-06 19:19:33	evilpyro	greentail, it was kde wayland, whichever compositor it includes
2024-04-06 19:20:06	evilpyro	fcitx
2024-04-06 19:20:06	evilpyro	fcitx-configtool
2024-04-06 19:20:06	evilpyro	fcitx-mozc
2024-04-06 19:20:57	evilpyro	I don't even know what that is lol
2024-04-06 19:20:58	vardo	Can I move Windows partition so as to expand the EFI partition?
2024-04-06 19:21:12	freebs	hea
2024-04-06 19:21:18	vardo	I am on a dual boot system, windows first
2024-04-06 19:21:22	phrik	Title: Fcitx - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-06 19:21:25	freebs	health bebefits of dandelion root tea
2024-04-06 19:21:33	freebs	woops..
2024-04-06 19:21:34	freebs	lol
2024-04-06 19:21:36	orbisvicis	teraflops: hmm, me too
2024-04-06 19:21:39	Namarrgon	vardo: that will be a pita
2024-04-06 19:21:53	vardo	Namarrgon, sorry, what's a pita?
2024-04-06 19:22:01	Namarrgon	vardo: pain in the bottom
2024-04-06 19:22:07	evilpyro	greentail, uninstalled it but the keybind still works, maybe there's a process running?
2024-04-06 19:22:17	vardo	Namarrgon, why?
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2024-04-06 19:22:33	Namarrgon	vardo: either create a new ESP and move the content over or don't mount the ESP as /boot, so that you don't need as large an fs
2024-04-06 19:22:44	evilpyro	also, i was able to remove it with no conflicts, so I'm not sure how it was installed on my system
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2024-04-06 19:22:49	Namarrgon	vardo: to move a partition you have to move its entire content
2024-04-06 19:23:04	Namarrgon	if it's a lot of content it will take a lot of time
2024-04-06 19:23:22	vardo	It's a new system, windows oem, nothing much has been added to it
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2024-04-06 19:23:52	evilpyro	BRB
2024-04-06 19:23:56	Namarrgon	you still have to move the entire partition, whether the filesystem is full or contains nothing at all
2024-04-06 19:23:59	Namarrgon	vardo: ^
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2024-04-06 19:24:16	evilpyro	it is, no output
2024-04-06 19:24:18	evilpyro	brb
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2024-04-06 19:24:35	vardo	Namarrgon, and what's difficult about moving an entire partition that's like 200GB?
2024-04-06 19:24:45	vardo	I mean, I could even make it smaller using windows
2024-04-06 19:24:57	Namarrgon	well, go ahead
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2024-04-06 19:25:11	vardo	But should I move it using Linux or Windows?
2024-04-06 19:25:24	Namarrgon	whatever works best for you
2024-04-06 19:25:25	teraflops	vardo: if you are going to use e.g ext4, you do not even need a boot partition, so mount ESP in e.g /boot/efi
2024-04-06 19:25:28	evilpyro	greentail, unfortunatelly, the keybind keeps working
2024-04-06 19:25:34	evilpyro	after a reboot
2024-04-06 19:25:55	vardo	teraflops, I don't understand, I need grub to be on the efi partition no?
2024-04-06 19:26:10	Namarrgon	yes but grub is tiny
2024-04-06 19:26:25	phrik	Title: Localization/Chinese - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-06 19:26:26	teraflops	yeah but you do not need to mount the ESP on /boot
2024-04-06 19:26:37	vardo	Sorry, what's the ESP?
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2024-04-06 19:26:45	vardo	The kernel?
2024-04-06 19:26:51	Namarrgon	EFI System Partition
2024-04-06 19:26:55	teraflops	thet tiy fat partition tha is driven you crazy
2024-04-06 19:27:02	teraflops	that tiny^
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2024-04-06 19:27:18	vardo	What difference does it make if I don't mount it?
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2024-04-06 19:27:28	vardo	I still have to put stuff in it
2024-04-06 19:28:07	evilpyro	ibus
2024-04-06 19:28:07	evilpyro	lib32-libusb
2024-04-06 19:28:07	evilpyro	libibus
2024-04-06 19:28:07	evilpyro	libusb
2024-04-06 19:28:07	evilpyro	libusbmuxd
2024-04-06 19:28:10	teraflops	you _have_ to mount it. the difference is mounting it on /boot which will use that tiny partition for initramfs images and kernel images 
2024-04-06 19:28:12	Namarrgon	vardo: yes but there's a difference between installing only the grub payload or installing grub and every kernel, initramfs on it
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2024-04-06 19:28:43	vardo	Namarrgon, so I could move the rest somewhere else?
2024-04-06 19:29:02	Namarrgon	yes, by not mounting the ESP to /boot
2024-04-06 19:29:17	Namarrgon	install only grub to it, nothing else
2024-04-06 19:29:18	teraflops	vardo: I do the same setup, dual booting
2024-04-06 19:29:20	evilpyro	greentail, removed both ibus and libibus
2024-04-06 19:29:26	vardo	Ah
2024-04-06 19:29:33	evilpyro	rebooting, brb
2024-04-06 19:29:40	teraflops	I do grub and mount the ESP on /boot/efi I also do not have a /boot partition
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2024-04-06 19:29:57	vardo	But how can i install grub on it without mounting ESP?
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2024-04-06 19:30:29	teraflops	you install grub as per wiki instrections
2024-04-06 19:30:35	teraflops	instructions
2024-04-06 19:30:35	vardo	Ok
2024-04-06 19:30:54	evilpyro	greentail, the keybind keeps working :_C
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2024-04-06 19:32:23	evilpyro	I do it bc I don't want a false negative, rebooting takes like 5s on my pc, so its fine
2024-04-06 19:32:24	teraflops	soryr I meant I mount the ESP in /efi not /boot/efi
2024-04-06 19:32:27	teraflops	as per wiki
2024-04-06 19:32:32	phrik	Title: Smart Common Input Method - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-06 19:33:04	vardo	teraflops, AH! I did create /boot/efi
2024-04-06 19:33:15	vardo	teraflops, moving to /efi then
2024-04-06 19:33:17	teraflops	vardo: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFI_system_partition see typical mount points
2024-04-06 19:33:18	phrik	Title: EFI system partition - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-06 19:33:30	edu4rdshl	vardo, just mount ESP in /boot and be happy :)
2024-04-06 19:33:31	teraflops	yaeh sorry I did not remember
2024-04-06 19:33:37	teraflops	too tiny
2024-04-06 19:33:44	edu4rdshl	Ah
2024-04-06 19:33:47	Namarrgon	edu4rdshl: congrats for not reading the context and just blurting something out
2024-04-06 19:34:19	edu4rdshl	pacman -Qqs is a thing
2024-04-06 19:34:23	edu4rdshl	No need of grep
2024-04-06 19:34:26	teraflops	vardo: that way the esp will only containefi files not the hole kernel and initramfs images
2024-04-06 19:35:07	evilpyro	greentail, scim is not installed but uim was, removing it didn't remove the keybind, rebooting brb
2024-04-06 19:35:19	vardo	teraflops, should I move the images to /boot and remove them from /efi now?
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2024-04-06 19:35:51	teraflops	what's in /efi? 
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2024-04-06 19:36:19	evilpyro	greentail, Great news! it was UIM!
2024-04-06 19:36:21	vardo	teraflops, I mount ESP there
2024-04-06 19:36:27	vardo	*mounted
2024-04-06 19:36:32	evilpyro	no more diabolic keybind
2024-04-06 19:36:53	evilpyro	i'm not sure how that package from aur was installed on my system
2024-04-06 19:37:06	evilpyro	it was required, i didn't try loggin in and out tho
2024-04-06 19:37:12	edu4rdshl	Why you assume it's from AUR
2024-04-06 19:37:13	teraflops	oh, them remove initramfs and vlinuz file from /efi
2024-04-06 19:37:17	evilpyro	but just uninstalling didn't do a thing
2024-04-06 19:37:38	evilpyro	edu4rdshl, uim was installed in my system from aur
2024-04-06 19:38:32	teraflops	vardo: https://paste.priet.us/okov/ that is my /efi partition content for dual booting
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2024-04-06 19:38:52	⚡ 	teraflops is happy using ibus ;)
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2024-04-06 19:39:29	Namarrgon	fcitx ftw
2024-04-06 19:39:30	vardo	teraflops, will grub automatically look for /boot instead of looking for linux images in the ESP?
2024-04-06 19:39:36	evilpyro	checked my shell history, I didn't install it manually while drunk, thats good
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2024-04-06 19:39:44	teraflops	vardo: yes
2024-04-06 19:40:06	vardo	teraflops, thanks, this is fantastic news
2024-04-06 19:41:08	teraflops	vardo: just remember to install gtub properly
2024-04-06 19:41:12	evilpyro	greentail, I was using gnome, then switched to kde wayland then kde x11
2024-04-06 19:41:21	teraflops	grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/efi --bootloader-id=GRUB
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2024-04-06 19:42:08	vardo	teraflops, thanks !
2024-04-06 19:42:14	teraflops	np glad to help
2024-04-06 19:44:05	vardo	teraflops, although I'm still running a live usb key and my hard disk is mounted on /mnt, should I use /mnt/efi instead of /efi in this line?
2024-04-06 19:44:25	Namarrgon	vardo: everything that belongs to the new system has to be contained in /mnt
2024-04-06 19:44:46	Namarrgon	everything you create on the iso will be gone after the reboot
2024-04-06 19:45:03	vardo	Namarrgon, ok, wasn't sure if the grub install line was referring to the current filesystem or the future one
2024-04-06 19:45:23	Namarrgon	vardo: if you look at the IG then you will see that the Bootloader step is still in the chroot
2024-04-06 19:45:31	vardo	Sorry what's IG?
2024-04-06 19:45:38	Namarrgon	Installation Guide
2024-04-06 19:45:50	vardo	Right
2024-04-06 19:46:06	teraflops	yeah, so you have to create /mnt/efi and mount the ESP there before chrooting
2024-04-06 19:46:08	vardo	I didn't reach this line, so I shouldn't install grub now I gues
2024-04-06 19:46:12	evilpyro	greentail, I was able to remove https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/uim with no conflicts from other packages, and it seems only scim-uim and uim-mozc require it, which were not installed 
2024-04-06 19:46:13	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - uim (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-04-06 19:46:20	vardo	I created and mounted /mnt/efi
2024-04-06 19:46:20	evilpyro	greentail, I don't have .xinitrc
2024-04-06 19:46:24	Namarrgon	vardo: read the whole guide first before you start doing anything
2024-04-06 19:46:26	vardo	I didn't chroot yet though
2024-04-06 19:46:29	vardo	Ok
2024-04-06 19:46:52	teraflops	vardo: this part is important when installing grub: --efi-directory=/efi
2024-04-06 19:47:10	evilpyro	not sure if packages are able to install stuff of which they don't depend on
2024-04-06 19:47:17	vardo	teraflops, Namarrgon says I should use /mnt/efi though?
2024-04-06 19:47:30	teraflops	vardo: are you in the chroot?
2024-04-06 19:47:37	vardo	Not yet
2024-04-06 19:48:03	teraflops	well,if you install grub from inside the chroot, it will be /efi
2024-04-06 19:48:06	vardo	I anticipated the EFI problem,
2024-04-06 19:48:20	teraflops	from outside the chroot it is /mnt/efi
2024-04-06 19:48:24	vardo	because I tried to install other packages in the destination,
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2024-04-06 19:48:31	vardo	and pacstrap returned errors,
2024-04-06 19:48:36	vardo	saying my /boot was full
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2024-04-06 19:49:02	vardo	But I didn't reach the bootloader step yet and but I'm still stuck
2024-04-06 19:49:11	evilpyro	greentail, I recently installed some fonts, they were nerd fonts though, not chinese/japanese/korean... fonts which may include uic
2024-04-06 19:51:19	teraflops	vardo: but now ESP is not mounted into /boot
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2024-04-06 19:51:45	vardo	teraflops, no, it's mounted in /mnt/efi
2024-04-06 19:52:01	teraflops	so what's in boot now, is it a partition?
2024-04-06 19:52:04	vardo	teraflops, but I'm fine now, I think
2024-04-06 19:52:11	teraflops	yeah I guess so
2024-04-06 19:52:15	vardo	What do you mean in boot.
2024-04-06 19:52:17	vardo	?
2024-04-06 19:52:30	vardo	Now I have linux images in /mnt/boot
2024-04-06 19:52:31	teraflops	yeah
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2024-04-06 19:52:50	teraflops	what's in there, it should be empty I guess 
2024-04-06 19:52:59	vardo	No
2024-04-06 19:53:07	vardo	Let me check
2024-04-06 19:53:19	vardo	It has a number of files now
2024-04-06 19:53:30	vardo	Inherited from the pkglist thing
2024-04-06 19:53:40	vardo	amd/intel micro code,
2024-04-06 19:53:50	vardo	initramfs + fallback
2024-04-06 19:53:56	vardo	memtest86+
2024-04-06 19:54:02	Namarrgon	don't install what is on the iso, it's full of overly-specific stuff you will never need
2024-04-06 19:54:04	vardo	syslinux and vmlinuz
2024-04-06 19:54:13	teraflops	vardo: ah ok
2024-04-06 19:54:23	vardo	Well, I thought the microcode was a good idea
2024-04-06 19:54:35	Namarrgon	syslinux wasn't
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2024-04-06 19:54:53	vardo	Should i delete it from /mnt/boot?
2024-04-06 19:54:56	vardo	syslinux
2024-04-06 19:55:08	vardo	Or remove the package?
2024-04-06 19:55:09	teraflops	you pacstrapped lot of crap :P
2024-04-06 19:55:28	Namarrgon	you have to do both
2024-04-06 19:56:11	illuminated	I had problems with the bootloader too
2024-04-06 19:56:16	illuminated	that took me awhile to figure out
2024-04-06 19:56:25	illuminated	and I used systemd-boot not grub
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2024-04-06 19:56:28	illuminated	for an efi system
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2024-04-06 19:56:44	illuminated	grub looked harder
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2024-04-06 19:56:50	vardo	Namarrgon, but I don't see options to remove stuff in pacstrap manual page?
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2024-04-06 19:57:17	vardo	Or can I use pacman now I'm chrooted?
2024-04-06 19:57:24	Namarrgon	yes, you have to use pacman
2024-04-06 19:57:32	vardo	OK great, at least I'm not entirely dumb
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2024-04-06 19:57:36	teraflops	remove it later from the chroot but remember to delete the leftovers in /boot
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2024-04-06 19:57:41	teraflops	as Namarrgon says
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2024-04-06 19:58:19	vardo	OK syslinux removed
2024-04-06 19:58:26	evilpyro	greentail, I use yay instead of pacman, yes. I don't install stuff from scripts or run scripts I didn't code myself with sudo/root permissions
2024-04-06 19:58:28	vardo	memtest86+ is ok?
2024-04-06 19:58:46	teraflops	up to you
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2024-04-06 20:02:00	evilpyro	Does anyone know of a good text diff tool to use with git? I'm looking to replace git's diff with a better alternative, to eventually embed it in neovim. I've tried a bunch of neovim plugins, standalone diff tools, standalone git tools but vscode's diff beats them all
2024-04-06 20:02:14	susi	what version of xz-utils 2024.04.01 has, btw? 
2024-04-06 20:03:39	evilpyro	here's what most diffs do (in this case dunk's diff) https://i.ibb.co/7W7Cf2S/image.png  and here's vscode for the same block https://i.ibb.co/vQHSFrG/image.png
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2024-04-06 20:04:12	evilpyro	greentail, 1 to 2 monts
2024-04-06 20:04:14	evilpyro	months
2024-04-06 20:06:46	evilpyro	I just figured out today the keybind, before that it happened randomly, I noticed a pattern, it happened when writting regular text and not code, then figured it happened more when starting phrases, then noticed the shift key, then noticed it was that I tend to press shift then space then the first letter of the new sentence. Since the new layout only replaces a few letters It was hard to notice
2024-04-06 20:06:46	evilpyro	until some words were already in
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2024-04-06 20:06:59	evilpyro	greentail, ^
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2024-04-06 20:09:50	vardo	OK so I did everything and of course when I reboot, Windows starts
2024-04-06 20:10:09	susi	5.6.1-2 I think
2024-04-06 20:10:13	susi	(answer to my own question)
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2024-04-06 20:11:21	evilpyro	greentail, tbh, i use yay for everything, it makes my life more confortable xD
2024-04-06 20:11:35	susi	yes
2024-04-06 20:11:40	teraflops	vardo: and linux? ;P
2024-04-06 20:11:41	susi	or "bug"
2024-04-06 20:12:02	vardo	teraflops, nothing, I don't get any chance to boot on anything else, so I'm starting the bios to check
2024-04-06 20:12:27	Namarrgon	vardo: did you install grub to the ESP?
2024-04-06 20:12:28	teraflops	vardo: did you grub install and grub-mkconfig?
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2024-04-06 20:13:42	vardo	OK I changed it in the bios, now grub starts but in command line
2024-04-06 20:14:15	teraflops	>grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/efi --bootloader-id=GRUB
2024-04-06 20:14:17	vardo	grub mkconfig? no
2024-04-06 20:14:22	vardo	This line yes
2024-04-06 20:14:42	teraflops	you have to generate grub config
2024-04-06 20:15:06	vardo	Damn
2024-04-06 20:15:15	vardo	OK, rebooting on the key
2024-04-06 20:15:22	teraflops	that's easily fixable
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2024-04-06 20:18:30	Namarrgon	you said that the wiki isn't wordy enough!
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2024-04-06 20:19:46	vardo	YAY
2024-04-06 20:19:48	vardo	\ O.O /
2024-04-06 20:20:01	vardo	Now I have GRUB menu when I boot, home sweet home ^^
2024-04-06 20:20:08	teraflops	,)
2024-04-06 20:20:28	Namarrgon	welcome to the cult!
2024-04-06 20:20:28	vardo	Thanks guys
2024-04-06 20:20:33	Namarrgon	i mean, community!
2024-04-06 20:20:38	teraflops	;P
2024-04-06 20:20:51	vardo	I already run Arch on this computer though, I'm just not good enough with it to install a new PC
2024-04-06 20:21:46	vardo	Shit I actually booted for the key again, that wasn't the hard disk
2024-04-06 20:21:46	vardo	brb
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2024-04-06 20:22:47	vardo	greentail: SSD why?
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2024-04-06 20:23:04	vardo	OK so I get GRUB command line but no menu even after mkconfig
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2024-04-06 20:23:32	vardo	As opposed to the USB key
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2024-04-06 20:23:59	teraflops	vardo: did you mount everything in place, chroot and then gtub-mkconfig?
2024-04-06 20:24:06	teraflops	grub rather
2024-04-06 20:24:09	vardo	Yes
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2024-04-06 20:24:42	vardo	I booted on the key again, mounted the ssd on /mnt, used arch-chroot, then grub-mkconfig
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2024-04-06 20:24:59	vardo	greentail, I don't know
2024-04-06 20:25:08	teraflops	vardo: what's the partition layout?
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2024-04-06 20:25:34	vardo	EFI, windows reserved, windows, linux, windows recovery
2024-04-06 20:26:05	vardo	greentail, no, it writes over the BIOS text
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2024-04-06 20:26:20	vardo	I never saw this before, actually
2024-04-06 20:26:24	teraflops	nope, I meant the partitions
2024-04-06 20:26:35	vardo	Those are the partitions, teraflops 
2024-04-06 20:26:47	vardo	5 partitions
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2024-04-06 20:27:01	vardo	In that order: EFI, windows reserved, windows, linux, windows recovery
2024-04-06 20:27:22	teraflops	from where is that output?
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2024-04-06 20:27:28	vardo	From me
2024-04-06 20:27:32	teraflops	:(
2024-04-06 20:27:33	akik	grub boots windows just fine in uefi mode
2024-04-06 20:27:45	teraflops	ldblk -f
2024-04-06 20:27:59	akik	also in bios mode but in uefi mode too :)
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2024-04-06 20:29:48	vardo	lsblk return the same, just linux is #5 instead
2024-04-06 20:30:47	auster	Client: HexChat 2.16.2 • OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (x64) • CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor (3.60GHz) • Memory: 15.9 GiB Total (7.3 GiB Free) • Storage: 1.9 TiB / 2.0 TiB (101.8 GiB Free) • VGA: Radeon RX 590 Series • Uptime: 1w 0d 23h 18m 33s
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2024-04-06 20:31:00	teraflops	huh
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2024-04-06 20:31:18	edu4rdshl	Common hexchat sysinfo lol
2024-04-06 20:31:22	teraflops	lmao
2024-04-06 20:31:28	teraflops	windows 10!
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2024-04-06 20:31:40	akik	the best distro
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2024-04-06 20:32:02	edu4rdshl	Windows is almost a Linux distro at this point :p
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2024-04-06 20:33:02	teraflops	vardo: boot arch iso, mount / to /mnt, ESP to /mnt/efi, chroot to mnt, reinstall grub (remember --efi-directory=/efi) and then run grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub.cfg
2024-04-06 20:33:29	teraflops	if that does not work, we are missing something
2024-04-06 20:33:35	vardo	Ok thanks
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2024-04-06 20:33:43	teraflops	edu4rdshl: yeah
2024-04-06 20:33:53	teraflops	it does wayland ;)
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2024-04-06 20:34:49	edu4rdshl	lol
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2024-04-06 20:35:17	teraflops	you can even run GUI apps these days
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2024-04-06 20:35:38	akik	you can even run gnome shell in it (wsl 2)
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2024-04-06 20:36:37	akik	i can paste the guide if you're interested
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2024-04-06 20:36:46	teraflops	no thanks ;)
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2024-04-06 20:37:31	akik	i got rid of win11 on this laptop just today because it doesn't fulfil those strange hw reqs
2024-04-06 20:37:40	gleglepastel	$TERM=xterm-kitty  COLORS: 256, COLOR_PAIRS: 32767, can_change_color: yes
2024-04-06 20:38:02	gleglepastel	ree
2024-04-06 20:38:08	gleglepastel	sry
2024-04-06 20:38:13	teraflops	heh
2024-04-06 20:39:26	teraflops	gnome has this too https://paste.priet.us/screenshot_2024-04-06-20-39-18.png
2024-04-06 20:40:11	edu4rdshl	Gnome <3
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2024-04-06 20:40:29	edu4rdshl	"Verificación del núcleo"
2024-04-06 20:40:37	edu4rdshl	Quien hace esas traducciones. xD
2024-04-06 20:40:41	teraflops	jaja
2024-04-06 20:40:53	vardo	No change
2024-04-06 20:40:59	vardo	I still get grub command line
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2024-04-06 20:41:30	edu4rdshl	vardo, is your fstab fine?
2024-04-06 20:41:42	akik	greentail: it cost me about $6 (grey market key)
2024-04-06 20:41:47	teraflops	yeah did you do the genfstab part?
2024-04-06 20:41:57	vardo	teraflops, I did
2024-04-06 20:42:11	teraflops	vardo: so boot the arch iso and lets troubleshoot this 
2024-04-06 20:42:18	vardo	Ok
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2024-04-06 20:44:54	teraflops	vardo: do lsblk -f and compare uuids with /mnt/etc/fstab
2024-04-06 20:45:09	teraflops	also is /boot a partition there?
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2024-04-06 20:45:43	vardo	No it's not
2024-04-06 20:45:46	teraflops	ok
2024-04-06 20:45:53	vardo	Let me compare with fstab
2024-04-06 20:46:59	vardo	I don't think so...
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2024-04-06 20:47:15	vardo	UUID seem the same
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2024-04-06 20:47:53	vardo	Maybe I can put it on another USB key, one sec
2024-04-06 20:48:58	teraflops	so there are 2 partitions, right? the ones you mount on /efi and /
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2024-04-06 20:49:06	vardo	Yes
2024-04-06 20:49:16	vardo	Is there a simple way to paste stuff in command line?
2024-04-06 20:49:21	teraflops	!paste
2024-04-06 20:49:21	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-06 20:49:23	Scimmia	teraflops: might want to check your grub.cfg path
2024-04-06 20:49:34	ℹ 	jhulten_away is now known as jhulten
2024-04-06 20:49:40	teraflops	thanks
2024-04-06 20:49:43	vardo	wgetpaste?
2024-04-06 20:49:46	vardo	!0x0
2024-04-06 20:49:46	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-04-06 20:50:01	teraflops	!ra
2024-04-06 20:50:02	phrik	teraflops: Eh?
2024-04-06 20:50:03	vardo	What is this syntax?
2024-04-06 20:50:04	teraflops	oops
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2024-04-06 20:50:07	teraflops	!rs
2024-04-06 20:50:07	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2024-04-06 20:50:14	vardo	file=@- ?
2024-04-06 20:50:19	teraflops	use the rs one
2024-04-06 20:50:31	vardo	What's @-?
2024-04-06 20:50:49	phrik	dev is mean and uses gentoo, support arch, use curlpaste!
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2024-04-06 20:51:43	Scimmia	vardo: being dropped to a grub command line means you didn't configure grub
2024-04-06 20:51:59	vardo	Scimmia, I ran grub-mkconfig
2024-04-06 20:51:59	teraflops	they supposedly did, 2 times
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2024-04-06 20:52:08	Scimmia	vardo: the command teraflops gave you was wrong
2024-04-06 20:52:16	teraflops	which one?
2024-04-06 20:52:17	Scimmia	always follow the wiki
2024-04-06 20:52:26	teraflops	Scimmia: ^
2024-04-06 20:52:30	Scimmia	grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub.cfg
2024-04-06 20:52:35	teraflops	ah true
2024-04-06 20:52:42	edu4rdshl	It's /boot/grub/grub.cfg no?
2024-04-06 20:52:45	Scimmia	yes
2024-04-06 20:52:45	teraflops	it's yeah
2024-04-06 20:52:51	vardo	??
2024-04-06 20:53:15	teraflops	yeah do not trust my neuron
2024-04-06 20:53:15	Scimmia	vardo: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Generated_grub.cfg
2024-04-06 20:53:17	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-06 20:53:36	teraflops	grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2024-04-06 20:53:40	teraflops	my fault
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2024-04-06 20:54:24	vardo	Now it returns an error, /dev not mounted
2024-04-06 20:54:40	Scimmia	you have to arch-chroot not just chroot
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2024-04-06 20:56:01	Scimmia	teraflops: that's one of the reasons I give wiki links instead of giving commands for so many things, better to trust that than my memory of something I don't do often :D
2024-04-06 20:56:13	teraflops	Scimmia: you are definitely right
2024-04-06 20:56:22	teraflops	I also meant arch-chroot not chroot
2024-04-06 20:56:30	teraflops	I note it for the next time
2024-04-06 20:56:32	Vorpal	I realised there is an issue with how Arch currently does license expressions for rust packages: as the binaries are statically linked against all their rust dependencies, you need to set the license expression to the combination of the license for all those dependencies. That is not currently done. Which project in Arch Linux would be an appropriate place to report this (as it affects multiple
2024-04-06 20:56:32	Vorpal	packages). 
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2024-04-06 20:56:40	vardo	And now it works :D
2024-04-06 20:56:47	vardo	Thank you all guys !
2024-04-06 20:57:13	teraflops	vardo: great 
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2024-04-06 20:58:23	vardo	tail or rm?
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2024-04-06 21:03:36	vardo	OK, I'm not sure why I had to read it
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2024-04-06 21:04:07	teraflops	the leftover from the wrong gurb.cfg? just delete it
2024-04-06 21:04:30	teraflops	the right one is /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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2024-04-06 21:06:16	edu4rdshl	"gurb.cfg", you need a coffee, teraflops :p
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2024-04-06 21:13:41	vardo	Why would iwctl hang? It worked with the usb key but now it waits for ever to start
2024-04-06 21:13:47	teraflops	edu4rdshl: lol
2024-04-06 21:14:33	edu4rdshl	vardo, is iwd service started?
2024-04-06 21:17:15	vardo	"ip link" lists wlan0 as down and dormant,
2024-04-06 21:17:27	vardo	I tried "ip link set wlan0 up", doesn't change a thing
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2024-04-06 21:19:21	vardo	The UP in <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> is what indicates the interface is up, not the later state DOWN. 
2024-04-06 21:19:24	vardo	OK then
2024-04-06 21:19:41	jmjl	!paste
2024-04-06 21:19:42	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-04-06 21:32:06	vardo	greentail: I don't know, I used networkmanager instead
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2024-04-06 21:39:53	LanDi	can someone help me to solve these error messages?? https://hastebin.skyra.pw/jolihuraba.swift
2024-04-06 21:39:55	phrik	Title: Hastebin (at hastebin.skyra.pw)
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2024-04-06 21:46:27	LanDi	greentail, I see, but I'm having another issue here
2024-04-06 21:46:36	LanDi	my bluetooth controllers are not working
2024-04-06 21:46:52	LanDi	that's why I'm seeking for the issue related to it
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2024-04-06 21:47:27	Warepire	Has the controller ever worked and stopped working?
2024-04-06 21:47:38	Warepire	*or, not and
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2024-04-06 22:14:28	vardo	Hmmm my CTRL keys are not working now, any idea why not?
2024-04-06 22:14:37	vardo	On the command line
2024-04-06 22:15:17	vardo	CTRL+ALT+Fn works, I can switch between VTs
2024-04-06 22:15:34	vardo	But like, none of nano shortcuts with CTRL work anymore
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2024-04-06 22:17:03	demure	vardo: some terminal emulators steam some ctrl and alt bindings. you could check the apps setting or try another terminal emulator 
2024-04-06 22:17:11	demure	*steal
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2024-04-06 22:18:52	vardo	REally?
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2024-04-06 22:19:20	vardo	I'm using full screen virtual terminals,
2024-04-06 22:19:34	vardo	not sure I can change kernel ones
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2024-04-06 22:20:23	demure	nvm then. assumed you were in a gui
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2024-04-06 22:21:07	vardo	for some reason loadkeys fr-latin1 got my CTRL keys back, but at the price of some letters
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2024-04-06 22:23:09	astralc	isn't right ctrl the key to change language in tty?
2024-04-06 22:23:31	vardo	I don't know, but both control keys didn't work anymore
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2024-04-06 22:36:13	lolok	i have a similar problem with tmux, ctrl+b works to send the prefix, but wont work with arrow keys to then resize a window. this is also only in linux console, it works fine in any terminal emulator i tried. there is some configuration i saw for it once, but i can never find it when im looking for it
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2024-04-06 22:37:18	lolok	and the config wasnt tmux, it was elsewhere, which naturally i also forget
2024-04-06 22:37:25	novns	it's interesting
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2024-04-06 22:38:19	novns	when I switch off the second monitor Gnome stops the session
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2024-04-06 22:39:04	novns	couldn't find any messages in all the logs
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2024-04-06 22:40:14	novns	oh, gnome-shell[2907]: (EE) failed to read Wayland events: Broken pipe
2024-04-06 22:41:20	novns	if I switch off the primary monitor, it's ok
2024-04-06 22:41:35	vardo	I can't open gnome settings after I installed gnome, any suggestion? 
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2024-04-06 22:42:06	lolok	run it from a terminal ans see what it output
2024-04-06 22:42:11	novns	vardo, did you install gnome-control-center?
2024-04-06 22:42:19	vardo	novns: nope, will do
2024-04-06 22:42:22	vardo	thanks
2024-04-06 22:42:59	vardo	Actually I did
2024-04-06 22:43:30	vardo	What happens is that the mouse pointer change to some waiting symbol but nothing appears
2024-04-06 22:44:12	vardo	Installing arch linux is so complicated every time
2024-04-06 22:44:24	novns	vardo, run  journalctl -f   in a terminal, and look if errors appear there
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2024-04-06 22:52:15	vardo	Thanks, but I will continue tomorrow, I'm starting to have a headache.
2024-04-06 22:52:17	vardo	Good night.
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2024-04-06 23:08:43	post-factum	whyyyy ibus depends on gtk4 now
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2024-04-06 23:10:35	post-factum	do i even need ibus with kde?..
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2024-04-06 23:26:31	illuminated	how much ram do you think you could get by on allocating to an arch vm absent a DE or anything. 
2024-04-06 23:27:05	sillyPepper	like 500 MB
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2024-04-06 23:27:42	illuminated	ok cool thanks
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2024-04-06 23:28:37	rawhide	I need a ramdisk but I don't really understand this https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/tmpfs
2024-04-06 23:28:39	phrik	Title: tmpfs - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-06 23:28:48	rawhide	can someone recommend a better guide?
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2024-04-06 23:30:35	whoami	perhaps it is deceptively simple. all you need to do is run mount or add the fstab entry. what are you confused by or trying to do?
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2024-04-06 23:31:06	akik	rawhide: you can use ramfs 
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2024-04-06 23:34:46	post-factum	illuminated: just note that arch iso will not start unless you have somewhere around 768 MiB of RAM
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2024-04-06 23:46:14	jenia2`	Hello
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2024-04-06 23:49:00	sillyPepper	hallo
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2024-04-06 23:50:27	jenia2`	Archlinux is the best distro I ever used but at work we always use macos and I find it hard to use that horrible OS after my awesome arch
2024-04-06 23:50:39	jenia2`	I'm thinking to switch to mac to get used it better
2024-04-06 23:50:41	jenia2`	:(
2024-04-06 23:51:18	jenia2`	I dont' really like mac
2024-04-06 23:51:28	jenia2`	for example, why have control and command buttons
2024-04-06 23:51:35	phrik	Take it to #archlinux-offtopic
2024-04-06 23:51:39	jenia2`	yup
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2024-04-06 23:56:52	Case_Of	hi, I’m trying to setup pam-u2f as described in wiki, when adding my key in the list, it works well, but when trying to login, it only asks for password, did I miss something with pam? I did a line in /etc/pam.d/system-auth but unsuccessful
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2024-04-07 00:05:01	jenia2`	I have a problem. My mouse scroll becomes very slow after I restart my laptop. Does anyone know how to fix this?
2024-04-07 00:05:14	Case_Of	NetSysFire: there’s some agetty saying 'failed to open credentials directory'
2024-04-07 00:05:27	Case_Of	NetSysFire: not sure it’s related
2024-04-07 00:05:51	lachesis	erm weird problem, after my latest update i hear a beep at 3 minutes after the hour (as well as a few other times). nothing obvious in logs. anyone seen this recently?
2024-04-07 00:05:58	lachesis	from the pcspkr i mean
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2024-04-07 00:08:00	lachesis	yea i dunno, i've had weird arch problems but this is maybe weirdest :)
2024-04-07 00:08:24	lachesis	lol
2024-04-07 00:08:41	lachesis	this install has been rsynced all the way from my first arch install back in like 2015 or so
2024-04-07 00:09:05	lachesis	part of me wonders if i have some cronjob or systemd timer or something that runs "beep" but i can't find it
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2024-04-07 00:10:02	lachesis	hmm i guess i could patch pcspkr to print to dmesg
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2024-04-07 00:10:38	rcf	Or maybe something is failing at startup after a three minute timeout, and in addition to just printing an error like a sane program it insists on beeping as well 
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2024-04-07 00:13:01	Case_Of	NetSysFire: bpa.st/GYYQ
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2024-04-07 00:13:28	lachesis	hey there was another one, at X:13:10
2024-04-07 00:14:37	lachesis	tell me more?
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2024-04-07 00:15:25	lachesis	interesting, i'll look into that thx
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2024-04-07 00:17:06	lachesis	$ sudo auditctl -w =beep -p x -k beepy
2024-04-07 00:17:06	lachesis	Old style watch rules are slower
2024-04-07 00:17:21	lachesis	let's see if that does anything
2024-04-07 00:17:24	Case_Of	NetSysFire: error message is still in journal after undoing changes
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2024-04-07 00:19:11	Case_Of	ok
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2024-04-07 00:19:34	lachesis	well it at least yells in audit.log if i call beep from my terminal... now to listen and hear if it beeps again at X:23:10 or if i have to wait until X+1:03:10 again 
2024-04-07 00:19:34	Case_Of	dunno why pam does not seem to load u2f module
2024-04-07 00:20:31	Case_Of	and it’s not verbose at all
2024-04-07 00:20:35	Case_Of	:/
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2024-04-07 00:23:30	lachesis	just happened at X:23:10 ... but nothing called `beep`
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2024-04-07 00:26:42	rcf	Monitor writes to /dev/input/by-path/platform-pcspkr-event-spkr 
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2024-04-07 00:27:05	rcf	Or attempts to use the KIOCSOUND
2024-04-07 00:27:08	rcf	ioctl
2024-04-07 00:27:14	rcf	That's how beep works internally. 
2024-04-07 00:28:08	lachesis	will something like -S write -S ioctl work?
2024-04-07 00:28:11	lachesis	with auditd i mean
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2024-04-07 00:30:27	rcf	Nevermind the ioctl I suppose, it's almost impossible to work it 
2024-04-07 00:30:57	rcf	You'd need to track every tty device. 
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2024-04-07 00:31:15	rcf	Also ioctl is fucking awful with audit
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2024-04-07 00:31:41	rcf	(and in general -- it's a syscall within a syscall, and there are many thousands of them) 
2024-04-07 00:31:56	lachesis	i have bell disabled in my terminal emulator so it's probably not that...
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2024-04-07 00:33:47	lachesis	hrm ok it triggered my new rule
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2024-04-07 00:36:40	lachesis	but it gave basically no info
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2024-04-07 00:37:31	lachesis	oh wait no it did not ... that was the auditctl rule itself
2024-04-07 00:37:33	lachesis	hrm lame
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2024-04-07 00:46:12	Case_Of	NetSysFire: dunno what to do. any ideas?
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2024-04-07 01:46:49	Soni	we don't have ipv4
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2024-04-07 01:47:04	Soni	we would like to have ipv4
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2024-04-07 01:47:23	Soni	how do you setup one of those 464XLAT/CLAT thingies?
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2024-04-07 07:57:59	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-07 07:57:59	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1446 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1445 regular)
2024-04-07 02:07:15	demure	Psi-Jack: do you have a single entry in your ~/.gnupg/sshcontrol ?
2024-04-07 02:34:46	Soni	do you need ipv4 to setup ipv4 on an ipv6-only network?
2024-04-07 02:35:55	Scimmia	I don't understand the question
2024-04-07 02:36:25	Soni	we need a CLAT, for 464XLAT
2024-04-07 02:42:26	Namarrgon	Soni: haven't you been hacking on this a year or so ago?
2024-04-07 02:43:16	Soni	Namarrgon: we asked for one but we hadn't setup an ipv6-only home network back then
2024-04-07 02:43:36	Soni	in hindsight maybe we should've made sure we had one before deploying the ipv6-only home network...
2024-04-07 02:44:11	Namarrgon	did you intentionally disable ipv4?
2024-04-07 02:46:05	Soni	define "disable ipv4"?
2024-04-07 02:46:20	Soni	the ipv4 stack is still enabled, it's just... not doing anything
2024-04-07 02:46:47	demure	huzzah :)
2024-04-07 02:47:14	Namarrgon	Soni: what does that mean?
2024-04-07 02:50:04	Soni	Namarrgon: we don't have ipv4 assignments (dhcpv4 or whatever)
2024-04-07 02:50:13	Namarrgon	why not?
2024-04-07 02:50:25	Soni	Namarrgon: because there's no dhcpv4?
2024-04-07 02:50:46	Namarrgon	a) you don't need dhcp b) you could set up a dhcpd
2024-04-07 02:51:12	Soni	the network is ipv6-only
2024-04-07 02:51:20	Namarrgon	am i understanding it correctly that instead of setting up native ipv4 you want to mess around with clat?
2024-04-07 02:51:28	Soni	yes
2024-04-07 02:51:57	Namarrgon	then i have bad news for you
2024-04-07 02:52:26	Soni	systemd still doesn't support clat? we're aware
2024-04-07 02:52:54	Soni	we mean, we'd know, we opened that feature request
2024-04-07 02:52:55	Namarrgon	a) that is objectively stupid b) you would still have to set up ipv4
2024-04-07 02:54:07	Soni	Namarrgon: is your only purpose in life to try to insult us?
2024-04-07 02:54:32	Namarrgon	i'm not insulting you, i'm saying that this idea is stupid
2024-04-07 02:55:10	Namarrgon	instead of doing a simple, automatic, thing you want to do the hard thing that has no benefits
2024-04-07 02:55:26	Soni	Namarrgon: why's that? we don't have a home lab, meanwhile mobile networks are increasingly deploying this
2024-04-07 02:55:58	Soni	(and some wifi networks too, but mostly the ones at google or whatever)
2024-04-07 02:56:04	Namarrgon	mobile networks do that at a single point of entry into their ipv6 network, not on every client
2024-04-07 02:56:30	Namarrgon	they also do nat, which is also stupid and a bad example
2024-04-07 02:56:46	Soni	yeah, and we only have a 5-device network, so what?
2024-04-07 02:59:57	ZLima12	Soni: so you're saying that your ISP doesn't give you a v4 address?
2024-04-07 03:00:27	Namarrgon	no, they want a tunnel from every client on a lan to every other client on the lan
2024-04-07 03:03:59	ZLima12	Namarrgon: are you sure? I don't see any mention of tunnels
2024-04-07 03:04:26	ZLima12	Just looks like a type of address translation
2024-04-07 03:06:14	Namarrgon	they want to tunnel ipv4 over ipv6
2024-04-07 03:08:14	ZLima12	464XLAT doesn't seem to be a type of tunnelling though, just looks like something that can translate v4 addresses to v6 and back
2024-04-07 03:08:27	ZLima12	To allow v4 internet access from v6-only networks
2024-04-07 03:08:30	Soni	RFC1918 may not be carried over 64:ff9b::/96
2024-04-07 03:08:39	Namarrgon	they want it intra-lan
2024-04-07 03:08:48	ZLima12	Soni: what exactly do you want to do?
2024-04-07 03:09:13	Soni	access discord and github over an ipv6-only network with a NAT64 (but no DNS64)
2024-04-07 03:09:25	ZLima12	why no DNS64?
2024-04-07 03:10:02	ZLima12	And why is it a v6 only network? Does your ISP not assign v4 addresses?
2024-04-07 03:14:54	rcf	There are ISPs doing this now, yes. 
2024-04-07 03:15:46	ZLima12	I don't doubt that, I just wanted to verify that was the case
2024-04-07 03:24:57	lachesis	erm even weirder, i still get the beeps even when i have rmmod'ed pcspkr (confirmed with lsmod right after last beep)
2024-04-07 03:25:07	pcspkr	lachesis: beep
2024-04-07 03:25:21	Namarrgon	does it beep through the speakers?
2024-04-07 03:25:31	Namarrgon	modern systems route the beep through the audio codec
2024-04-07 03:26:13	lachesis	it sounded like it was beeping on the pcspkr but now i am confused.
2024-04-07 03:29:42	rcf	lachesis: it may be playing a normal sound intended to sound like the beeper. 
2024-04-07 03:30:04	archdemon	i mean is this with a terminal emulator or what im curious
2024-04-07 03:30:28	rcf	The issue has been trying to figure out what is doing this 
2024-04-07 03:31:07	lachesis	pcspkr: lol sorry
2024-04-07 03:31:29	rcf	This is why you don't name yourself after a kernel module in a support channel 
2024-04-07 03:31:30	lachesis	its going to happen in 2 minutes or so, let me listen closely
2024-04-07 03:31:43	lachesis	oh and turn off speakers
2024-04-07 03:33:24	lachesis	erm ok well this makes much more sense
2024-04-07 03:33:30	lachesis	it's not even my linux PC lol
2024-04-07 03:33:45	virtualsid	LOL
2024-04-07 03:33:57	rcf	lachesis: if you're very unlucky, I had a failing hard drive that behaved like this 
2024-04-07 03:34:03	archdemon	lol wow
2024-04-07 03:34:13	archdemon	lachesis: thats good
2024-04-07 03:35:57	lachesis	rcf: nah no spinning disks in this office, all of those are in the rack downstairs
2024-04-07 03:36:27	rcf	I'm also reminded of https://old.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/1f86yl/tifu_by_playing_a_thinkgeek_practical_joke_the/
2024-04-07 03:36:35	lachesis	its on my other desk, which has tons of stuff, including a mini PC and 3 desk phones
2024-04-07 03:37:13	lachesis	also a switch, a router, a ups, a pinephone, and a drawer full of half done electronics projects
2024-04-07 03:37:21	lachesis	regardless... sorry its not archlinux's fault
2024-04-07 03:37:43	archdemon	lachesis: sounds like you have a lot to do
2024-04-07 03:40:35	lachesis	hehe i'll report back when i find it. my plan for this 10-minute try is to try listening carefully again near the other desk
2024-04-07 03:40:48	lachesis	then i guess i'll try turning stuff off
2024-04-07 04:03:08	Soni	as much as we hate DNS64 it looks like we're stuck with DNS64 for now
2024-04-07 04:03:39	ZLima12	Soni: yeah, NAT64 and DNS64 usually go hand in hand
2024-04-07 04:04:51	ZLima12	It would be nice if there was a way for the OS to have control over the translation, instead of relying on a specific DNS server
2024-04-07 04:05:28	Soni	ZLima12: no, NAT64 is usually paired with 464XLAT, but linux doesn't appear to have a working CLAT
2024-04-07 04:15:44	lachesis	hahaha it was my Nokia 3310
2024-04-07 04:15:55	lachesis	i left the battery in it after messing with it the other day and forgot
2024-04-07 04:16:32	archdemon	lol wow
2024-04-07 04:18:21	akik	3310 which you can take to the end of the world AND back
2024-04-07 04:27:29	lachesis	yea if only GSM network wasn't shut down
2024-04-07 04:29:30	rcf	Soni: there's clatd, if you don't mind installing kernel modules 
2024-04-07 04:43:13	Gnana	 ERROR  wezterm_gui > XOpenDisplay failed to open a display. Check the $DISPLAY env var; terminating
2024-04-07 04:43:19	Gnana	flat run erros how to fix?
2024-04-07 04:47:49	ponies	your not trying to run this from console or ssh? :) 
2024-04-07 04:48:29	ponies	what about DISPLAY=:0 wezterm_gui ?
2024-04-07 04:50:34	Gnana	im trying run it from alacritty
2024-04-07 04:50:49	Gnana	DISPLAY var is 0
2024-04-07 04:50:51	Gnana	set to 0
2024-04-07 04:51:26	Gnana	smae
2024-04-07 04:51:30	Gnana	same here
2024-04-07 04:52:51	ponies	greentail: packages are not underscored they are hypenated. wezterm exists in extra
2024-04-07 04:53:11	archdemon	are you trying to run wezterm
2024-04-07 04:53:40	Gnana	yes i installed it from flatpak?
2024-04-07 04:53:50	Gnana	for newer updated version
2024-04-07 04:53:58	Gnana	planing run more like steam etc
2024-04-07 04:54:24	archdemon	wezterm just run that
2024-04-07 04:54:54	archdemon	i use the repos
2024-04-07 04:54:57	ponies	greentail: not really because of the AUR 
2024-04-07 04:55:18	Gnana	okay coming back pacman now <3
2024-04-07 04:55:19	rcf	greentail: I use flatpak more and more these days. 
2024-04-07 04:55:23	Gnana	removing flatpak
2024-04-07 04:55:30	Gnana	oh rcf 
2024-04-07 04:55:32	Gnana	lol
2024-04-07 04:55:51	Gnana	rcf: flatpak have more updated version?
2024-04-07 04:56:32	Gnana	 echo $DISPLAY
2024-04-07 04:56:34	Gnana	:0
2024-04-07 04:56:45	Gnana	?
2024-04-07 04:57:30	Gnana	flatpak run org.wezfurlong.wezterm is this right way run ??
2024-04-07 04:58:37	ponies	can confirm extra/wezterm runs 
2024-04-07 04:58:47	Gnana	yes i runes
2024-04-07 04:58:54	Gnana	sudo pacman -S wezterm works 
2024-04-07 04:58:56	Gnana	!
2024-04-07 04:59:11	ponies	there you go! another reason not to use flatpak 
2024-04-07 04:59:17	Gnana	lol
2024-04-07 04:59:19	rcf	greentail: software that isn't officially packaged and a pain to build, or software that is simply broken under Arch
2024-04-07 04:59:27	Gnana	hmm 
2024-04-07 05:00:14	Gnana	thanks
2024-04-07 05:01:08	rcf	greentail: as dependency hell grows seemingly exponentially, and more developers assume containers and discard any notion of interface stability, it's nice to have a backup that Just Works™. 
2024-04-07 05:03:24	Gnana	im sticking to pacman 
2024-04-07 05:22:08	cloudowind	in order to have seperate /var /home etc.. while installation , am i simply create partitions mount them before arch-chroot and follow the reluglar installation after then?
2024-04-07 05:25:17	espresso	cloudowind: yes. you seem to be at  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide#Partition_the_disks
2024-04-07 05:25:18	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-07 05:30:00	cloudowind	yea so nothing special needed then nice 
2024-04-07 05:30:35	cloudowind	thanks 
2024-04-07 05:35:53	cloudowind	i dont Psi-Jack , just wanted to know if one day i need to :)
2024-04-07 05:37:27	Soni	rcf: not sure why but clatd didn't really work (with tayga) like we expected it to
2024-04-07 05:37:58	cloudowind	just will have /boot seperate , true  Psi-Jack 
2024-04-07 06:33:57	ponies	is bluetooth broken on 6.8.2 or 6.8.4 ? 
2024-04-07 06:40:02	ponies	this worked! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bluetooth#bluetoothctl:_No_default_controller_available
2024-04-07 06:40:03	phrik	Title: Bluetooth - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-07 06:42:27	ponies	weird issue where the controller doesn't reload the firmware on a standard reboot. funny actually after the update, i had to manually toggle power in order to get it to power off 
2024-04-07 07:15:31	cloudowind	i did pacstrap -K /mnt linux linux-firmware , for some reason i cant find pacman after arch0chroot
2024-04-07 07:17:30	kplant	you need base
2024-04-07 07:18:55	cloudowind	ha i forgot that
2024-04-07 07:19:25	cloudowind	thank you
2024-04-07 07:20:21	kplant	yw
2024-04-07 07:39:19	gehidore	Heh you forgot the whole thing 🤣
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2024-04-07 09:05:59	cloudowind	i have windows efi nvmen1p1 , and i created another efi arch on nvmen1p5 , p6 is ext4 p7 is swap , for some reason i cant windows to grub i did add osprobedisable=false from config did install ntfs-3g but no luck
2024-04-07 09:06:18	cloudowind	how does grub gonna see that i have another efi in nvmen1p1?that is windows
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2024-04-07 09:06:47	cloudowind	do i need to mount windows efi somewhere and run grub install and make config again i dont know
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2024-04-07 09:11:54	cloudowind	new one is flagged as esp , obviously hmm
2024-04-07 09:12:08	Paipou	I have Arch Linux installed, I enabled Secure boot from BIOS and now im unable to boot into Linux. Do I need to do some extra work to enable secure boot for the Arch?
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2024-04-07 09:13:41	thingfish	Paipou: the short answer is yes, you have to do some extra work.
2024-04-07 09:13:58	thingfish	probably want to check the Arch wiki.
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2024-04-07 09:17:06	Paipou	Thanks 
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2024-04-07 09:24:02	akik	cloudowind: you just need one efi esp
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2024-04-07 09:26:13	cloudowind	was trying to chainload and manually adding to grub 
2024-04-07 09:26:26	cloudowind	how am i gonna turn 2 efi into one?
2024-04-07 09:27:02	rcf	cloudowind: if you're using grub, you can use even the ancient 128M Windows ESPs without issue with Arch. 
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2024-04-07 09:27:18	cloudowind	100mb
2024-04-07 09:27:25	rcf	Even that's fine 
2024-04-07 09:27:36	rcf	Only grub itself needs to go in there. 
2024-04-07 09:28:01	cloudowind	k so i show efi directoy as windows efi directory 
2024-04-07 09:28:11	cloudowind	to grub install 
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2024-04-07 09:28:27	akik	grub can chainload efi files yes
2024-04-07 09:28:31	cloudowind	i am lost , so i mount windows efi into /boot and install grub there?
2024-04-07 09:28:45	rcf	cloudowind: you don't use it as /boot. 
2024-04-07 09:29:07	rcf	You have a separate /boot (or just one on your / assuming the filesystem is one grub likes). 
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2024-04-07 09:30:45	akik	the problem is arch suggests mounting the esp as /boot 
2024-04-07 09:31:04	akik	then people have a 100 MiB esp
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2024-04-07 09:31:24	cloudowind	hold on so i created efi partition 1gb during installation and i mounted it to /mnt/boot so do i have a seperate /boot parition in this case 
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2024-04-07 09:32:36	cloudowind	brb will feed the animals
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2024-04-07 09:35:30	rcf	akik: the wiki needs to be cleaned up in that regard. 
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2024-04-07 09:44:24	rcf	cloudowind: I suppose I shall leave this to someone who is more familiar with grub -- perhaps there is a way to get it to use the other ESP 
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2024-04-07 09:52:26	cloudowind	how primitive is that i had to add manually to my grub.cfg manually :)
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2024-04-07 09:52:58	cloudowind	i did boot to windows , just had to manually do it by chain boot
2024-04-07 09:53:18	rcf	Ah, nic
2024-04-07 09:53:22	cloudowind	thank you for your attention and thank you akik 
2024-04-07 09:53:27	cloudowind	hope youre doing well 
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2024-04-07 09:54:36	cloudowind	i had to download and install  this comfast usb wifi for debian , but i didnt have to do it for arch which i am so happy about
2024-04-07 09:54:59	cloudowind	some reason arch is very good with drivers , same thing happened with macbook 2016 keyboard and wifi , debian didnt recognize them , arch did 
2024-04-07 09:55:21	Disconsented	Yeah I've always appreciated that
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2024-04-07 09:57:21	rcf	cloudowind: the debian installer lacks a lot of required firmware 
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2024-04-07 11:33:48	dibesfer	oof that archinstaller sucks
2024-04-07 11:33:59	dibesfer	even KDE can't load properly without an update
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2024-04-07 11:34:09	dibesfer	*archinstall
2024-04-07 11:35:48	dibesfer	i use xfce btw
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2024-04-07 11:40:10	ketacat	KDE Plasma 6 is pure buggy stuff
2024-04-07 11:42:48	dibesfer	ik
2024-04-07 11:43:50	dibesfer	but also you have to remember a lot of steps
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2024-04-07 11:43:59	dibesfer	so im sticking with universal debian
2024-04-07 11:44:05	dibesfer	!thanks
2024-04-07 11:44:05	phrik	You're welcome, dibesfer.
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2024-04-07 11:57:10	cloudowind	dibesfer is an interesting personality , arent we all are anyway 
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2024-04-07 12:06:26	aminvakil	i'm getting this error since yesterday jdk11-openjdk update: https://github.com/aminvakil/aur/actions/runs/8585305394/job/23530883016#step:11:174
2024-04-07 12:06:50	aminvakil	gradlew build fails with `java.lang.NullPointerException (no error message)`
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2024-04-07 12:07:56	aminvakil	it's building correctly in their own repo https://github.com/google/tsunami-security-scanner-plugins/actions/runs/8578244173/job/23511858453#step:5:23
2024-04-07 12:08:10	aminvakil	this is getting used in https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/google-tsunami-security-scanner-plugins-git
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2024-04-07 12:08:11	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - google-tsunami-security-scanner-plugins-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-04-07 12:10:23	gloomy_desktop	Bit off-topic maybe but I will be using my archlinux so :-) Can anyone recomend a simple duplex scanner that works well with linux? I see brother is the most recommended brand but they're a little pricey for what they are (at least current models, and there's very little in local second-hand stores)
2024-04-07 12:10:34	gloomy_desktop	will be using my scanner on archlinux*
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2024-04-07 12:16:24	dmr104	i wish to play dvds on arch.  should i install pipewire before installing smplayer?
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2024-04-07 12:24:49	phisch3	I'm looking for an arch package maintainer that wouldn't mind maintaining a cursor theme package in the official repos. I've published it 2 years ago (also on the AUR), relatively popular, just did a big update, and I'd like to see it in the official repos.
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2024-04-07 12:42:59	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-07 12:48:37	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-07 12:51:04	dmr104	i am just going to go ahead with installing pipewire and smplayer
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2024-04-07 12:54:22	charlie5	dmr104: i juse clv with 'good', 'bad' and 'ugly'
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2024-04-07 12:55:03	charlie5	a bit surprised at it's buggi-ness tho
2024-04-07 12:56:15	charlie5	in particular, it chews thru heaps of cpu, sometimes
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2024-04-07 12:56:20	charlie5	even when idle
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2024-04-07 12:57:45	charlie5	if it's in c and has a smallish header decls, might be interesting to try swig4ada to generate a thin ada binding
2024-04-07 12:57:57	charlie5	s4a needs more proper testing
2024-04-07 12:58:25	charlie5	decls -> declarations
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2024-04-07 12:58:43	charlie5	should only take a coupla hours
2024-04-07 12:59:00	charlie5	oh, hell
2024-04-07 12:59:10	dmr104	charlie5: so you mean vlc?
2024-04-07 12:59:16	charlie5	wrong channel, sorry
2024-04-07 12:59:33	charlie5	dmtes, i did :/
2024-04-07 12:59:46	dmr104	what is good or bad?
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2024-04-07 13:00:00	charlie5	no good for you
2024-04-07 13:00:11	dmr104	i don't get it
2024-04-07 13:00:19	charlie5	i thought i was on the #ada channel
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2024-04-07 13:00:56	charlie5	... and misread clv
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2024-04-07 13:29:12	andmars	hi, can you guys use qutebrowser atm? After the last updates of qt6-stuff it freezes upon launch both the repo and the git packege. No error message in terminal.
2024-04-07 13:36:09	astralc	try to set you qt theme again?
2024-04-07 13:36:17	astralc	* your
2024-04-07 13:37:14	astralc	and if you use something from git, rebuild it
2024-04-07 13:44:05	tonitch	Hello, I've been wondering if it was possible, when doing an upgrade of system using pacman, if packages are causing trouble, to still upgrade every unrelated packages. Like if for some reasons jdk has trouble updating because of conflict. I still want the firefox package to upgrade and not wait for me to fix jdk ^^ 
2024-04-07 13:48:40	tonitch	for instance here, I had to upgrade my system with quite a lot of package. and my internet connection droped for some seconds and the upgrade stoped in the middle for one package that failed to download. I usually upgrade in the background while doing other stuff so I don't notice it right away and have to redo the operation later. I would like pacman to still upgrade my system with sucessfull
2024-04-07 13:48:42	tonitch	download and not stop like that.
2024-04-07 13:49:07	astralc	it still count as "partial update" if you do it
2024-04-07 13:49:15	astralc	but you can use "--ignore"
2024-04-07 13:50:19	tonitch	well I know it's partial update, that's why I wonder if there is a solution specifically to allow unrelated package ^^ I suppose --ignore doesn't ? 
2024-04-07 13:50:28	astralc	if there is _upgrade_ issues, check if there are bugs, and maybe aur packages need update/remove
2024-04-07 13:51:21	tonitch	astralc: I can solve most of my upgrade issue most of the time, the problem is actually not that, it's just that i have to redo the operation in the end and that feels dumb sometime when packages are really not related
2024-04-07 13:53:06	tonitch	I think I saw that pactree can quickly check dependencies tree. maybe if the package is root of other then stop else you can just download other. I assume this is maybe not in pacman yet but would there be problem with this aproach ? 
2024-04-07 13:55:11	astralc	not all updates are 'breaking on partial', even if it is dependency
2024-04-07 13:58:41	andmars	ok, re-setting the qt-theme didn't change anything. qutebrowser still freezes upon start.
2024-04-07 13:59:09	astralc	what errors?
2024-04-07 13:59:39	tonitch	andmars: I had similar behaviour with firefox, I had to change a package but I don't remember the name, let me check
2024-04-07 14:02:38	tonitch	I think I had to change xdg-desktop-portal-* for another one
2024-04-07 14:03:11	tonitch	I think I had gnome and switched to gtk
2024-04-07 14:03:31	tonitch	so as qtbrowser is qt it might not be related
2024-04-07 14:08:58	intelfx	does anyone know if someone maintains a "cloud" kernel build for Arch?
2024-04-07 14:09:40	intelfx	by "cloud kernel build" I mean a configuration that would only include common virtualized drivers etc. to reduce size
2024-04-07 14:09:46	tonitch	there use to be one with my vps provider but they stoped
2024-04-07 14:10:02	futune	andmars, qutebrowser is working fine here
2024-04-07 14:11:12	tonitch	intelfx: but maybe you can find hapiness on this page ? : https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux_on_a_VPS
2024-04-07 14:11:13	phrik	Title: Arch Linux on a VPS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-07 14:11:32	intelfx	tonitch: that's where I just was
2024-04-07 14:11:45	intelfx	arch-boxes provides cloud images, but they use the default kernel
2024-04-07 14:12:23	alyptik	intelfx: i don't think i've heard of anyone maintaining one
2024-04-07 14:12:31	tonitch	mine was ovh in the past and I think my current server still uses this image but it's not provided anymore afaik
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2024-04-07 14:18:49	andmars	ok, qutebrowser only freezes on hyprland/wayland and runs fine in dwm/X11...I have xdg-desktop-portal-hyprland installed and all ran fine the last updates ago.
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2024-04-07 14:24:29	grawity	someone did a benchmark of the new gnome-terminal vs alacritty https://bxt.rs/blog/just-how-much-faster-are-the-gnome-46-terminals/
2024-04-07 14:24:30	phrik	Title: Just How Much Faster Are the GNOME 46 Terminals? | Ivan Molodetskikh’s Webpage (at bxt.rs)
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2024-04-07 14:25:06	jelle	and did vte win?
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2024-04-07 14:49:06	krumelmonster	For reasons very dubious to me, xdg opens mailto links in wine. None of the files listed at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_MIME_Applications#mimeapps.list mention mail at all
2024-04-07 14:49:08	phrik	Title: XDG MIME Applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-07 14:49:22	jelle	demonicmaniac1: yes! on my 500Hz monitor!
2024-04-07 14:49:47	krumelmonster	How can I even find out what command xdg-open calls when ran with a mailto URI?
2024-04-07 14:50:31	grawity	extrace, forkstat, execsnoop
2024-04-07 14:51:05	susi__	xdg-mime query default x-scheme-handler/mailto
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2024-04-07 14:53:40	krumelmonster	thank you
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2024-04-07 14:56:59	demonicmaniac1	krumelmonster: you will want to look at the wiki to disable wine from installing .desktop and mime handlers
2024-04-07 14:57:30	demonicmaniac1	krumelmonster: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wine#Unregister_existing_Wine_file_associations and the following
2024-04-07 14:57:31	phrik	Title: Wine - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-07 14:58:26	demonicmaniac1	i seem to recall there was also an env var
2024-04-07 14:59:01	demonicmaniac1	some WINEDLLOVERRIDES
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2024-04-07 15:07:11	noobaroo	Feature request here. It'd be really nice, for me and others on slow internet lines, if pacman -Sy only downloaded the differences of the package database. Right now even if only 5 packages get updated, the entire database needs to be redownloaded and that's a waste of bandwidth 
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2024-04-07 15:07:40	Namarrgon	that feature was removed because nobody used it
2024-04-07 15:07:59	grawity	it also wasted CPU more than normal download wastes bandwidth
2024-04-07 15:08:16	grawity	actually, *did* we ever have deltas for the .db?
2024-04-07 15:08:23	grawity	I thought that was only for the .pkg files
2024-04-07 15:08:24	noobaroo	For most people it's negligible, but I'm stuck on 30KBps sometimes, and I want to download and install a 2.5MB package but first need to download ~9MB of database files first
2024-04-07 15:08:30	demonicmaniac1	yeah only for package files
2024-04-07 15:08:32	demonicmaniac1	never for db
2024-04-07 15:08:59	demonicmaniac1	noobaroo: have you considered using the archlinux package archive in such cases instead?
2024-04-07 15:09:00	noobaroo	Yeah, I didn't expect anyone to care really
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2024-04-07 15:09:19	demonicmaniac1	that way you'd also not have to download all updates
2024-04-07 15:09:20	noobaroo	Most people have internet speeds that make 9MB and 0.5MB the same thing
2024-04-07 15:09:38	demonicmaniac1	use -Syu when you can on not limited bandwidth and the archlinux archive otherwise
2024-04-07 15:09:47	noobaroo	No I didn't, but that's a good idea, thanks demonicmaniac1!
2024-04-07 15:10:43	demonicmaniac1	you could even make yourself an alias that uses another mirrorlist where you enter the archive url with the date of the last syu
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2024-04-07 15:11:31	demonicmaniac1	then you don't have to -U but can -S with that other mirrorlist handling dependencies properly
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2024-04-07 15:12:54	noobaroo	... That can be done? How?
2024-04-07 15:14:26	Scimmia	Just put the archive as the last mirror in your mirrorlist. The others will fail then it will get the old package from the archive
2024-04-07 15:15:10	andreyv	TBH, even with a "normal" connection downloading 200-500 MiB of updates daily seems excessive. Also I guess light zstd compression doesn't help.
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2024-04-07 15:16:25	Scimmia	'light zstd compression' lol
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2024-04-07 15:36:22	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-07 15:21:38	aequilibrium	!paste
2024-04-07 15:21:39	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-07 15:27:45	demonicmaniac1	Scimmia: that reminds me recently installed arch on a new machine and was so confused when makepkg took forever until i realized it defaults to make zstd with the arch -18 compression settings :D
2024-04-07 15:27:53	demonicmaniac1	immediately put that down to -1
2024-04-07 15:28:28	Scimmia	demonicmaniac1: defaults to -20 now, but if it's just for local installation, why compress at all?
2024-04-07 15:29:04	demonicmaniac1	i do keep the pkg around built and -1 is really fine for that case imho
2024-04-07 15:30:02	andreyv	Alright, I compared linux-6.8.4.zstd and xz, now it's about the same size
2024-04-07 15:30:30	aequilibrium	Based on the skimm through the rules, im not certain #archlinux is the right place to ask for help, but I have been an arch user for bout 2 and half years now, and maybe for a bit less than a month now I've been having issues with my internet traffic, in kde networkmanager applet I get absurd throughput statisitcs like (28 GiB/s / 216 GiB/s) and I commonly get dns resolution errors, I'm unsure
2024-04-07 15:30:30	aequilibrium	what the cause could be. Does anyone know where I 
2024-04-07 15:30:32	aequilibrium	should begin?
2024-04-07 15:31:09	aequilibrium	Sorry if this is copy pasta, the same issue is now causing me to get this error "aequilibrium #archlinux Cannot send to nick/channel", so Im unsure if my previous message was posted
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2024-04-07 16:05:50	tonitch	is there a way to contribute to package testing in arch without getting at risk of getting backdoored ? I mean the solution seems obviously to not use testing on main components but only on a "testing environment" but I would argue that using a testing environment. I would never test as well as I would do on my main :/
2024-04-07 16:06:32	grawity	tbh I don't think you run a significantly higher risk of getting backdoored
2024-04-07 16:06:52	grawity	it's the same packages that will hit [core] a few days later assuming they don't crash or something
2024-04-07 16:07:04	tonitch	that was an example tbh, I don't fear it but recent events show that you should still be a bit carefull about testing packages
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2024-04-07 16:08:44	tonitch	did xz package ever got to main packages ? 
2024-04-07 16:08:48	andreyv	Well, even during the recent events the bad package entered core
2024-04-07 16:09:01	andreyv	And was there for a month
2024-04-07 16:09:09	tonitch	ho, so it only was prevented on debian then x)
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2024-04-07 16:09:12	Scimmia	and it wasn't a bad package
2024-04-07 16:09:21	Scimmia	Arch was never affected at all
2024-04-07 16:09:26	andreyv	(presumably)
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2024-04-07 16:09:41	Scimmia	for the known issue, it's not presumed, it's known
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2024-04-07 16:10:32	tonitch	I read that it was targeting debian and rhel by a bash test.. I haven't digged anywhere tho
2024-04-07 16:11:01	andreyv	Can you guarantee there are no other malicious changes? I don't think it's correct to say "Arch was never affected" without clarification.
2024-04-07 16:11:34	andreyv	Linux distributions shipping xz before 2021/2023 were never affected
2024-04-07 16:11:36	Scimmia	andreyv: Arch was never affected by this issue. Period
2024-04-07 16:12:06	Scimmia	Theroritical other issue, sure, but everyone could be affected by those
2024-04-07 16:12:16	Scimmia	Deal with fact, not FUD
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2024-04-07 16:13:38	tonitch	anyway, the main question was. If there is anyone using test or unstable package to help. what is their setup ? I would be quite woried (mainly for my files) to just use testing.
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2024-04-07 16:14:59	Namarrgon	there's nothing special about it
2024-04-07 16:15:35	tay	So I have an odd question - I setup luks2/sdboot/sboot and when the machine starts - it promps for the luks password but the screen blinks after 2-3 seconds then comes back on again. Kind of like it's changing the resolution (but it isn't).  I'm not sure if it's a GPU quirk, a my displayport cable or this is normal behavior. I've never seen it on Debian or Gentoo
2024-04-07 16:16:06	Namarrgon	tay: does the resolution change?
2024-04-07 16:16:16	tay	not as far as I can tell, no
2024-04-07 16:16:31	tay	but it's just a black screen with the password promp - but from what I can see with my eyes, no 
2024-04-07 16:16:40	Namarrgon	usually that's just the gpu driver taking over the framebuffer
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2024-04-07 16:17:02	tay	yeah it's a minor annoyance
2024-04-07 16:17:08	tay	I just had never seen it before 
2024-04-07 16:18:01	Namarrgon	for i915 you can set up a "flicker-free" boot if the firmware plays along
2024-04-07 16:18:29	tay	it's a it's a 7600xt
2024-04-07 16:19:25	tay	I assume it's because I am still on a rather fresh install and I'm using the splash bmp - the refresh rate/res probably differs
2024-04-07 16:19:43	tay	but that's an amateurish guess
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2024-04-07 16:33:22	MortimerHoughton	I use mpv.  I messed around with some other music players, but I didn't really need anything more.  I guess the answer is the music player that does what you want and doesn't do what you don't want
2024-04-07 16:33:45	astralc	I use audacious for music
2024-04-07 16:33:54	astralc	but you can put whatever you like
2024-04-07 16:33:58	astralc	like elisa
2024-04-07 16:34:33	MortimerHoughton	>> you can put whatever you want >> proceeds to use vim
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2024-04-07 16:35:48	MortimerHoughton	is it installed?
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2024-04-07 16:37:24	MortimerHoughton	I don't use kde very often, but is there a way to manually designate an app for the default?
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2024-04-07 16:38:06	MortimerHoughton	I guess I would just force the issue and do that
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2024-04-07 17:18:15	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-07 16:54:55	phrik	Title: GNU | Spokane, Washington » Great Northern University (at gnu.edu)
2024-04-07 16:56:49	thingfish	strawberry is a fork of clementine, if you liked that app.
2024-04-07 16:57:07	MortimerHoughton	well, I just unimaginatively use mpv
2024-04-07 16:57:14	thingfish	ah
2024-04-07 16:57:42	astralc	clementine was far too unstable to me
2024-04-07 16:57:45	MortimerHoughton	mpv --no-video if I don't want the cover art
2024-04-07 16:57:50	astralc	amarok 1.x was great
2024-04-07 17:07:13	tay	I was in here a minute ago asking about flickering on arch at luks pw prompt. The solution was I forgot to install x86-video-amdgpu and add the module in mkinitcpio. Now it works fine :D
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2024-04-07 17:53:19	mefistofeles	Psi-Jack: seems like a inactive/dead project
2024-04-07 17:53:53	mefistofeles	yes
2024-04-07 17:55:19	Scimmia	likely related to the python 3.12 rebuild going on
2024-04-07 17:56:19	Scimmia	I don't understand the question
2024-04-07 17:56:24	demonicmaniac1	python moving from 3.11.8 to 3.12 and seeing what builds against 3.12 for the upgrade and what blocks it
2024-04-07 17:58:56	jelle	Psi-Jack: oh no, software stopped working because of deprecations over 5 releases
2024-04-07 17:59:05	demonicmaniac1	in all fairness python usually never broke between 2 versions - usually it's stuff being marked deprecated for a few versions before final removal and people just wait until it's removed and their shit breaks before they adress it
2024-04-07 17:59:21	mpan	… and then they cry.
2024-04-07 17:59:41	jelle	demonicmaniac1: plus python packages love to depend on unmaintained packages :(
2024-04-07 18:00:02	demonicmaniac1	that too
2024-04-07 18:00:40	jelle	plenty of python packages still depend on imp: Deprecated since version 3.4, will be removed in version 3.12
2024-04-07 18:00:40	astralc	https://xkcd.com/2347/
2024-04-07 18:00:40	grawity	clearly it should be like perl
2024-04-07 18:00:42	phrik	Title: xkcd: Dependency (at xkcd.com)
2024-04-07 18:00:58	grawity	which only has "minor" versions in the first place
2024-04-07 18:01:19	grawity	and deprecates something every 2-3 releases
2024-04-07 18:01:36	grawity	that's the true unix programming language, isn't it
2024-04-07 18:01:49	jp	there can be only one
2024-04-07 18:02:16	astralc	python2 was depracated for several years until it was forcibly removed 
2024-04-07 18:02:38	auster	long live unmaintained packages that are absolutely critical for industry stuff
2024-04-07 18:03:27	demonicmaniac1	my current nightmare is blender ever since they picked up dev speed since 3.2 pretty much and then everything broke with 3.5 and 3.6 and again with 4.0 and 4.1 extension wise - can't wait for 4.2 to finally get some addons working because people try for an lts release
2024-04-07 18:04:20	auster	oh heavens i first tried it in 2.8 and now with 4.x EVERYTHING is broken again, it is lovely to iterate fast but not **that** fast
2024-04-07 18:11:08	astralc	demonicmaniac1: so like gnome extensions
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2024-04-07 18:17:45	ℹ 	Topic set by phrik (~phrik@phrik.archlinux.org) on Sat, 10 Feb 2024 18:25:44
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2024-04-07 18:20:02	jp	greentail: compose key would work —
2024-04-07 18:20:14	mefistofeles	compose key?
2024-04-07 18:20:48	phrik	Title: Xorg/Keyboard configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-07 18:20:53	jp	yep
2024-04-07 18:22:17	jp	greentail: none, you have to set one up
2024-04-07 18:22:31	jp	`setxkbmap -option compose:caps` for example uses caps
2024-04-07 18:22:44	demonicmaniac1	isn't ctrl+shift+u for unicode number input?
2024-04-07 18:22:52	demonicmaniac1	x11/gtk at least
2024-04-07 18:23:28	jp	greentail: i don't have much experience with wayland sorry, no idea if there is something similar for wayland
2024-04-07 18:23:41	mefistofeles	you probably need to check if your input is isbus
2024-04-07 18:23:42	mefistofeles	for that
2024-04-07 18:23:59	mefistofeles	ibus*
2024-04-07 18:24:27	MortimerHoughton	jp: how you set it in wayland is going to depend on what your compositor is
2024-04-07 18:24:28	demonicmaniac1	greentail: in rxvt it is just ctrl+shift for example - it's a per window/application thing to handle that
2024-04-07 18:24:46	mefistofeles	though, imagine having to know the unicode codes to type a character :/
2024-04-07 18:24:55	MortimerHoughton	in sway, you just add keybindings to the config file
2024-04-07 18:25:18	jp	em dash is U2014
2024-04-07 18:26:10	jp	greentail: it doesn't modify a config
2024-04-07 18:26:17	jp	or anything like that
2024-04-07 18:29:11	jp	greentail: hm, not sure of a way to query that
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2024-04-07 18:35:31	BrainDamage	... no you don't, if you change an option at runtime it's not automatically written in the config file in (n)vim
2024-04-07 18:36:01	BrainDamage	and the same applies to setxkbmap, it's used for runtime changes
2024-04-07 18:36:14	BrainDamage	and unless you know what calls setxkbmap, you cannot know what changes it
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2024-04-07 18:39:16	phrik	Title: Wikipedia:How to make dashes - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2024-04-07 18:39:32	MortimerHoughton	wow, look at wikipedia saving the day
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2024-04-07 18:41:58	phrik	Title: Compose Key cheat sheet (at tuttle.github.io)
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2024-04-07 18:55:25	BrainDamage	yes
2024-04-07 18:55:36	auster	indeed
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2024-04-07 18:55:53	BrainDamage	you'll have to set something to automatically call it after login
2024-04-07 18:56:15	auster	i personally run it in my TWMs setup, but anywhere after x was loaded should work
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2024-04-07 19:02:35	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-07 19:02:35	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1481 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1480 regular)
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2024-04-07 20:22:54	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-07 20:22:54	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1494 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1493 regular)
2024-04-07 19:20:46	Gnana	i thin its he
2024-04-07 19:20:48	Gnana	hex
2024-04-07 19:20:57	Gnana	!paste
2024-04-07 19:20:58	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-07 19:22:24	Gnana	do not know
2024-04-07 19:26:56	Eisenhans	it's a null pointer. a c-programming joke (or a quote)
2024-04-07 19:30:13	phrik	Title: c - What is the difference between a pointer pointing to 0x0 location and a pointer set to NULL? - Software Engineering Stack Exchange (at softwareengineering.stackexchange.com)
2024-04-07 19:32:01	lucas-arg	hello all, i have a problem with my bluetooth mouse, for some reason after some time, or after hibernation the scroll gets really slow
2024-04-07 19:32:23	lucas-arg	wayland 6.6 kernel
2024-04-07 19:34:11	lucas-arg	6.6.25-1-lts
2024-04-07 19:35:54	lucas-arg	after restarting bluetooth.service things got right again
2024-04-07 19:35:58	lucas-arg	solved it
2024-04-07 19:36:03	lucas-arg	as a workarround
2024-04-07 19:36:09	lucas-arg	buts thats not a solutuin
2024-04-07 19:36:11	lucas-arg	solution
2024-04-07 19:36:38	MortimerHoughton	what does journalctl -b say
2024-04-07 19:36:59	Eisenhans	greentail: To me it feels like writing /dev/null onto your trashcan. Maybe it's something a lot deeper than that though ;)
2024-04-07 19:38:54	grawity	kind of like how the biggest Hg code repo hosting site was called "BitBucket"
2024-04-07 19:39:08	Eisenhans	yeah
2024-04-07 19:39:18	grawity	(then they decided "we're only doing git now" and literally threw all the Hg repos into the bit bucket)
2024-04-07 19:40:15	phrik	Title: Bit bucket - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2024-04-07 19:41:24	lucas-arg	what paste service?
2024-04-07 19:41:31	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-04-07 19:41:40	MortimerHoughton	!rs
2024-04-07 19:41:41	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2024-04-07 19:42:44	grawity	http://catb.org/jargon/html/B/bit-bucket.html reference for 50-year-old jokes
2024-04-07 19:42:45	phrik	Title: bit bucket (at catb.org)
2024-04-07 19:43:30	demonicmaniac1	grawity: i feel it was never good because it's too easily mistaken for bucket search using leading bits to sort into buckets
2024-04-07 19:43:58	grawity	demonicmaniac1: I suspect it might predate that concept
2024-04-07 19:49:29	lucas-arg	greentail, nevermind, probably its gonna be resolved in future bluez or kernel updates
2024-04-07 19:50:03	lucas-arg	solved it by restarting bluestooth.service
2024-04-07 19:54:52	MortimerHoughton	I wonder if you could just set up a timer service to restart bluetooth.service every so often
2024-04-07 19:58:52	lucas-arg	thats not a solution either.
2024-04-07 19:59:07	lucas-arg	could go back to previous kernel maybe?
2024-04-07 19:59:25	BrainDamage	https://xkcd.com/1495/
2024-04-07 19:59:26	phrik	Title: xkcd: Hard Reboot (at xkcd.com)
2024-04-07 19:59:31	lucas-arg	was using kde, thought that was it
2024-04-07 19:59:32	MortimerHoughton	sure, not a solution, but it could do until a kernel update fixes things
2024-04-07 19:59:36	lucas-arg	installed gnome
2024-04-07 19:59:42	lucas-arg	but problem persist
2024-04-07 20:00:17	MortimerHoughton	if you set it up to run every hour, you probably would never notice the problem
2024-04-07 20:04:46	MortimerHoughton	you can probably use some userChrome.css in firefox to do it
2024-04-07 20:04:49	MortimerHoughton	ugh
2024-04-07 20:14:31	susi__	you probably can
2024-04-07 20:14:33	susi__	or could
2024-04-07 20:18:58	grawity	greentail: because 'chrome' is the term for the UI surrounding the content
2024-04-07 20:19:15	grawity	greentail: "Google Chrome" the browser was named after that!
2024-04-07 20:21:05	grawity	the core of firefox is much, much older
2024-04-07 20:21:15	astralc	much much much older
2024-04-07 20:21:33	grawity	but the name "Google Chrome" was a joke on how /little/ "chrome" the browser had, compared to other browsers at the time
2024-04-07 20:21:56	astralc	also chrome renderer is based (with several forks/iterations) on khtml from kde
2024-04-07 20:22:00	illuminated	I don't understand the appeal of chrome
2024-04-07 20:22:01	grawity	they even had a comic book
2024-04-07 20:22:19	grawity	illuminated: yeah because now all browsers look like that
2024-04-07 20:22:35	Warepire	lucas-arg: If you have interesting logs (e.g. BlueZ output with debug log) and activating debug logging on the bluetooth subsystem, you might be able to get help by e-mailing linux-bluetooth@vger.kernel.org or check https://lore.kernel.org/linux-bluetooth/ if your issue has already been reported
2024-04-07 20:22:36	phrik	Title: linux-bluetooth.vger.kernel.org archive mirror (at lore.kernel.org)
2024-04-07 20:22:52	Warepire	Bluez and kernel support share mailing list
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2024-04-07 20:24:15	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-07 20:23:39	grawity	something from star trek
2024-04-07 20:23:40	astralc	archive of old knowledge
2024-04-07 20:23:48	grawity	as well as being an archive of old knowledge
2024-04-07 20:23:52	astralc	brother of data?
2024-04-07 20:24:00	grawity	the previous list server was "vger" as in V'Ger
2024-04-07 20:24:11	lucas-arg	crontab -e > 0 * * * * sudo systemctl restart bluetooth.service sudo systemctl enable cronie.service
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2024-04-07 20:24:24	lucas-arg	that would work too right?
2024-04-07 20:24:55	lucas-arg	Psi-Jack, why?
2024-04-07 20:24:57	astralc	bluetooth roulette
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2024-04-07 20:25:05	grawity	lucas-arg: it's going to cut out your audio every minute
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2024-04-07 20:25:36	grawity	greentail: https://i.imgur.com/EkSdg58.jpeg - Firefox 3.0 from 2008
2024-04-07 20:25:44	grawity	greentail: title bar, menu bar, tab bar, etc. is the 'chrome'
2024-04-07 20:26:02	astralc	what a beauty
2024-04-07 20:26:21	grawity	yes
2024-04-07 20:26:30	MortimerHoughton	and that's if you didn't install a third party bar
2024-04-07 20:26:33	lucas-arg	will go manually every time i need it then
2024-04-07 20:26:40	grawity	it's still part of the window 'chrome' whether it's drawn by the app itself or not
2024-04-07 20:26:41	lucas-arg	stupid bluez or kernel
2024-04-07 20:26:46	lucas-arg	dont know wheres the error
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2024-04-07 20:27:12	teraflops	lucas-arg: pacman -Q linux
2024-04-07 20:27:26	teraflops	assuming you are using stock kernel
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2024-04-07 20:29:58	demonicmaniac1	it was so fun with firefox 2 for ages then 3 then 4 in rapid succession and then what, 50 or 60? when they decided to switch to chrome numbers to compete with chrome because bigger number is better
2024-04-07 20:30:00	grawity	greentail: for comparison https://ia903102.us.archive.org/23/items/chrome1.0/google%20chrome%201.PNG - Chrome 1.0 from also 2008; no title bar, no menu bar, no search box, no status bar, and the bookmark bar hides itself as soon as you go somewhere. I remember it was kind of one of the main selling points
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2024-04-07 20:31:40	lucas-arg	Psi-Jack, mouse scroll slows so ofter no matter x or wayland or kde or gnome... restarting bluetooth.service solve it
2024-04-07 20:31:55	lucas-arg	im using lts kernel by the way
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2024-04-07 20:32:15	demonicmaniac1	jesus christ i just remembered firefox is 20 this year
2024-04-07 20:32:28	mefistofeles	old af
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2024-04-07 20:32:37	astralc	from firefox name or including firebird?
2024-04-07 20:32:43	demonicmaniac1	from firefox 1.0
2024-04-07 20:32:49	astralc	and phoenix
2024-04-07 20:32:59	BrainDamage	and netscape navigator
2024-04-07 20:33:04	grawity	tbh mozilla's was my favorite UI
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2024-04-07 20:33:13	astralc	I started using firefox when it was 0.8.7
2024-04-07 20:33:16	lucas-arg	Psi-Jack, yes
2024-04-07 20:33:37	grawity	huh, firefox is older than reddit...
2024-04-07 20:33:47	greyltc	I recently bought this GPU: SPARKLE Intel® Arc™ A310 ECO https://www.sparkle.com.tw/en/A310-ECO
2024-04-07 20:33:50	lucas-arg	the scrolling speed of my bluetooth mouse slows down... it does not matter if im using kde or gnome... wayland or Xorg
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2024-04-07 20:33:52	astralc	is it logitech mouse with "high resolution scroll"?
2024-04-07 20:33:53	phrik	Title: SPARKLE - Products - SPARKLE Intel® Arc™ A310 ECOcancelcancel-errorexternal-linkssearcharrow-up (at www.sparkle.com.tw)
2024-04-07 20:33:56	greyltc	Spec sheet: https://www.sparkle.com.tw/files/20240202113531413.pdf
2024-04-07 20:34:03	demonicmaniac1	i'd probably start with firefox with mozilla foundation so uh... 26 years ago or so?
2024-04-07 20:34:15	greyltc	It should do PCIe 4.0 x8
2024-04-07 20:34:25	lucas-arg	Psi-Jack, on other distros it works just fine
2024-04-07 20:34:41	greyltc	but when I plug it in, I only get pcie 1.0 1x link: https://bpa.st/raw/3KHQ
2024-04-07 20:34:43	lucas-arg	so im sure its an archish issue
2024-04-07 20:34:55	astralc	Psi-Jack: lot of version can also connect with bluetooth
2024-04-07 20:35:07	greyltc	Anyone know what could cause bad/wrong link negotiation like this?
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2024-04-07 20:35:49	lucas-arg	Psi-Jack, thanks though
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2024-04-07 20:36:14	grawity	greyltc: does dmesg | grep limited say anything about it?
2024-04-07 20:36:32	astralc	solaar support both connection modes
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2024-04-07 20:39:20	astralc	and bolt
2024-04-07 20:39:41	greyltc	grawity: `$ sudo dmesg | grep limited`
2024-04-07 20:39:49	greyltc	[    0.551363] pci 0000:43:00.0: 63.008 Gb/s available PCIe bandwidth, limited by 8.0 GT/s PCIe x8 link at 0000:40:03.1 (capable of 126.024 Gb/s with 16.0 GT/s PCIe x8 link)
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2024-04-07 20:40:04	astralc	solaar also support devices on bluetooth
2024-04-07 20:40:23	grawity	nothing about 45:00?
2024-04-07 20:40:32	grawity	what else does dmesg have regarding the 45:00 device?
2024-04-07 20:40:36	dibesfer	3:00
2024-04-07 20:41:11	dibesfer	take care
2024-04-07 20:41:22	dibesfer	BE SAFE*
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2024-04-07 20:41:26	greyltc	and `sudo lspci -vv -nn -qq -s 43:00.0`: https://bpa.st/raw/BJVQ
2024-04-07 20:41:40	greyltc	grawity: nothing about 45:00
2024-04-07 20:42:18	demonicmaniac1	greyltc: because the lspci output has 45 and not 43
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2024-04-07 20:42:42	grawity	greyltc: is there anything at all about 45:00 even if it doesn't contain the word 'limited
2024-04-07 20:42:54	greyltc	but 45 and 43 are somehow related maybe?
2024-04-07 20:43:05	dibesfer	took a bike to those
2024-04-07 20:43:20	grawity	43 is the pci-e downstream port that 45 is connected to, I think
2024-04-07 20:44:33	greyltc	`$ sudo dmesg | grep 45:00.0`: https://bpa.st/raw/MW5A
2024-04-07 20:44:56	grawity	can you grep for 45:00 and not for 45:00.0
2024-04-07 20:45:08	⚡ 	dibesfer grorps
2024-04-07 20:45:53	demonicmaniac1	feels very botty there with those responses
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2024-04-07 20:46:14	greyltc	`$ sudo dmesg | grep 45:00`: https://bpa.st/raw/TUJA
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2024-04-07 20:47:02	demonicmaniac1	greyltc: have you ever tried putting load on it to see if that's not just powersaving?
2024-04-07 20:47:14	demonicmaniac1	pcie devices will cut links and reduce speeds to save power when not needed
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2024-04-07 20:47:21	greyltc	let's see!
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2024-04-07 20:51:24	greyltc	demonicmaniac1: i can't get it to budge from `LnkSta: Speed 2.5GT/s, Width x1`
2024-04-07 20:51:33	dmr104	what is the command line to write a dvd data disk with verification?
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2024-04-07 20:52:10	dmr104	oh am i in the wrong room?  i meant to ask in #linux.  
2024-04-07 20:52:22	demonicmaniac1	greyltc: how are you stressing it? glxgears for example won't actually load a gpu in any way
2024-04-07 20:52:39	demonicmaniac1	the pcie bandwidth is only needed for transferring data between gpu and cpu/system ram
2024-04-07 20:52:58	greyltc	I tried decoding vp9 4k on youtube (with hardware decoder) while running a game (firewatch)
2024-04-07 20:53:09	demonicmaniac1	hm fair enough
2024-04-07 20:53:38	teraflops	dmr104: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Optical_disc_drive
2024-04-07 20:53:40	phrik	Title: Optical disc drive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-07 20:54:21	demonicmaniac1	i guess since it also said linkcap 2.5 and no 8gt or so supported it wouldn't be powersaving
2024-04-07 20:54:44	grawity	greentail: the lazers
2024-04-07 20:54:48	demonicmaniac1	greentail: laser/light vs magnetic on hdd/floppy
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2024-04-07 20:55:51	grawity	why is wifi not optical then
2024-04-07 20:56:35	greyltc	line of sight?
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2024-04-07 20:56:42	whoami	wireless fidelity lol
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2024-04-07 20:56:52	grawity	means literally nothing except for sounding similar to "hi-fi"
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2024-04-07 20:57:12	greyltc	thanks marketing department
2024-04-07 20:57:22	demonicmaniac1	i used to read it as "why fucky internet"
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2024-04-07 20:58:03	MortimerHoughton	!branding
2024-04-07 20:58:04	phrik	MortimerHoughton: No idea
2024-04-07 20:58:21	greyltc	I'm gonna go put this gpu into another box and see what happens
2024-04-07 20:58:55	greyltc	Oh, does anyone know how to inspect link speed and lanes in windows?
2024-04-07 20:59:25	greyltc	I can boot into windows and check if the PCIe is getting choked there too
2024-04-07 20:59:45	demonicmaniac1	i'd expect gpu-z or hwinfo to show it
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2024-04-07 21:00:01	grawity	it isn't
2024-04-07 21:00:02	greyltc	greentail: no
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2024-04-07 21:00:19	whoami	no lol
2024-04-07 21:00:36	whoami	that's just a marketing thing
2024-04-07 21:00:38	gaku	greentail: something something electromagnetic field stuff
2024-04-07 21:00:52	greyltc	greentail: it's non-visible electromagnetic radiation
2024-04-07 21:00:55	whoami	where the ads play some supersonic sound, and your phone picks it up :p
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2024-04-07 21:01:25	greyltc	sound is particle motion, this is photons
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2024-04-07 21:02:53	mpan	greentail: do you have any actual questions? Because you seem to only cause noise in #archlinux.
2024-04-07 21:03:08	teraflops	yeah
2024-04-07 21:03:10	mpan	And that’s a high-frequency, but certainly audible (visible?) noise.
2024-04-07 21:04:13	lambda	greentail: very very infrared
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2024-04-07 21:05:12	BrainDamage	2.4GHz color
2024-04-07 21:05:15	lambda	(everything that's invisible is either infrared or ultraviolet in a technical sense, but you don't call them that unless they're close to the visible spectrum)
2024-04-07 21:05:45	greyltc	greentail: they do have a "color" they're just out of the range of colors that our eyes can register
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2024-04-07 21:06:04	hashworks	Running "trust anchor --store foo.crt" gives me "p11-kit: couldn't create object: The field is read-only". Anyone got an idea how to resolve this?
2024-04-07 21:06:08	astralc	or 5ghz color
2024-04-07 21:06:29	grawity	hashworks: run it as root
2024-04-07 21:06:41	hashworks	I am root.
2024-04-07 21:06:57	greyltc	lol, you beat me
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2024-04-07 21:09:35	hashworks	Got it, there was a file "/etc/ca-certificates/trust-source/foo.crt" from some previous configurations that blocked stuff.
2024-04-07 21:09:54	mpan	hashworks: where is the foo.crt located?
2024-04-07 21:10:09	hashworks	 /etc/ssl/certs/
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2024-04-07 21:10:27	mpan	Oh, nvm then. You already found the issue.
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2024-04-07 21:13:13	hashworks	> Got it, there was a file /etc/ca-certificates/trust-source/foo.crt from some previous configurations that blocked stuff.
2024-04-07 21:13:15	hashworks	Removed that one.
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2024-04-07 21:16:02	mpan	hashworks: to be clear, the error comes from command’s logic, not from file-system permissions, so being root would not be relevant here.
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2024-04-07 21:16:50	mpan	greentail: stop making noise, thanks.
2024-04-07 21:17:02	hashworks	I guess the error could be more descriptive and point me to the file itself, without me needing strace to find it
2024-04-07 21:17:11	mpan	hashworks: yeah, indeed. :/
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2024-04-07 21:30:32	mpan	An early warning: poxel just asked in #libera another user to cause disruption in here.
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2024-04-07 21:30:59	poxel	meant it more as a joke
2024-04-07 21:31:05	mpan	It was a very bad joke.
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2024-04-07 21:51:59	vardo	Hi, I'm trying to get proton vpn on my new computer. I added open vpn files to gnome. I added the username and password but first, when I open the configuration panels again, I don't see the password which normally appears as dots. And then, when I try to activate the vpn, it immediately turns off.
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2024-04-07 21:52:42	feye	Is this also necessary for optimus laptop?
2024-04-07 21:52:45	feye	"Remove kms from the HOOKS array in /etc/mkinitcpio.conf and regenerate the initramfs. This will prevent the initramfs from containing the nouveau module making sure the kernel cannot load it during early boot."
2024-04-07 21:52:49	feye	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#Installation
2024-04-07 21:52:50	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-07 21:59:50	astralc	feye: I think yes, it will still take nouveau with kms (and your igpu)
2024-04-07 22:01:29	feye	But it said to remove kms, so my igpu (i915) can't load?
2024-04-07 22:01:46	astralc	it will still load, but not early kms loading
2024-04-07 22:02:21	grawity	instead of the kms hook, you could do MODULES=(i915) to embed *only* the intel drivers
2024-04-07 22:02:46	feye	I see, thank you guys!
2024-04-07 22:09:47	greyltc	grawity: windows only runs my GPU at gen 1 1x too: https://bpa.st/raw/FXMA
2024-04-07 22:10:56	szczot3k	Hi, I'm having trouble setting my virtual console font to powerline font. I've currently verified that: /etc/vconsole.conf has "FONT=ter-powerline-v32n" set, my mkinitcpio has "HOOKS=(base udev autodetect keyboard keymap consolefont modconf block encrypt filesystems fsck)
2024-04-07 22:11:16	greyltc	something about a "PCI Express Downstream Switch Port" limiting the thing?
2024-04-07 22:11:37	szczot3k	And that I can't cpaste into my irssi well enough - setfont also works, only dmesg output I can see see by myself is "fbcon: Taking over console"
2024-04-07 22:11:42	greyltc	i don't know why there should be any PCIe switches here
2024-04-07 22:11:49	szczot3k	I can post the dmesg is it helps
2024-04-07 22:15:03	grawity	greyltc: there are always pcie switches, aren't there?
2024-04-07 22:15:32	greyltc	I thought these would be lanes right off the CPU
2024-04-07 22:16:51	grawity	hmm
2024-04-07 22:18:30	greyltc	i don't know how it normally works, honesty. I just figured the PCIe lanes went straight through generally, CPU <--> GPU with nothing in between
2024-04-07 22:20:14	grawity	looks like they're supposed to be directly off the 'root ports' yeah
2024-04-07 22:21:05	grawity	what does your lspci -tv look like, out of curiosity? or lspci -PP|sort?
2024-04-07 22:21:41	⚡ 	greyltc boots back into Arch
2024-04-07 22:25:12	grawity	greyltc: tbh I suspect that the pcie switch in question is actually *on the card* and not on the mainboard
2024-04-07 22:25:18	grawity	given that it's named "Intel DG2"
2024-04-07 22:28:04	greyltc	Yeah. I think if there were a switch, it would be on the card, but why?
2024-04-07 22:28:46	grawity	so that they could have multiple discrete devices on it I guess?
2024-04-07 22:29:18	grawity	maybe they needed something that couldn't be achieved using just multiple functions 
2024-04-07 22:29:33	grawity	like gpu on one chip, audio on another
2024-04-07 22:29:59	vardo	greentail: thanks, but it was something else, I had to install networkmanager-applet
2024-04-07 22:30:40	vardo	Sorry I thought nobody would answer, I didn't think about posting the problem was solved
2024-04-07 22:33:07	greyltc	grawity: `$ lspci -tv`: https://bpa.st/raw/2NOA
2024-04-07 22:33:49	grawity	well, yeah, they've put the HD-Audio controller on a separate device
2024-04-07 22:34:49	vardo	greentail: sorry, it was "network-manager-applet". Thanks.
2024-04-07 22:36:48	greyltc	huh, yeah. I wonder if that's typical
2024-04-07 22:38:15	greyltc	I'm guessing it's that switch that's crippling the connection
2024-04-07 22:44:48	nick49	Hey guys sorry if this is a bad place to ask, but I need some help making a rofi script, is this a good place to ask or can someone redirect me to a better channel? Thanks
2024-04-07 22:45:57	nick49	Doesn't seem like anyone is there
2024-04-07 22:48:04	nick49	Well, what I mean is I've waited there for over an hour and I haven't gotten a response so I thought I might go ask somewhere else
2024-04-07 22:49:27	nick49	I see guess I should go to github and check there, thanks!
2024-04-08 00:45:32	thingfish	wow, a small victory for Arch: I got Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 working.  It plays great!
2024-04-08 00:46:30	thingfish	I don't know if Live Weather works...I disabled it because I was reading it was causing crashes to desktop.
2024-04-08 00:46:51	thingfish	greentail: installed it off Steam like always.
2024-04-08 01:10:29	voltages	thingfish while that is good. Overall other software such as GSX or FSRealistic will likely take a longer time to get functional. Maybe even the a320 fenix will be impossible due to its DRM but worth a try 
2024-04-08 03:41:06	bluetail	hi greentail
2024-04-08 03:41:40	mefistofeles	oh no, they have united
2024-04-08 03:49:54	cloudowind	why wouldnt they :/
2024-04-08 03:51:52	virtualsid	I don't like that irssi doesn't colour bluetail in blue, and greentail in green. on my screen right now, bluetail is purple, while greentail is blue.
2024-04-08 04:03:03	cloudowind	doesnt then obviously have sense of art in it  ( hope Namarrgon is sleeping:)
2024-04-08 04:06:46	another|	Do you make cocktails?
2024-04-08 04:51:41	Dworin	greentail: that's a systray.
2024-04-08 04:52:02	bluetail	bluetooth wifi sound OBS dropbox and the last thing could be virt-manager or so
2024-04-08 04:54:32	edu4rdshl	Looks like blueman
2024-04-08 04:55:53	bluetail	I am not sure
2024-04-08 04:56:51	edu4rdshl	Wireless power
2024-04-08 04:57:01	edu4rdshl	OBS and volume
2024-04-08 04:59:34	edu4rdshl	i3 have one, afaik
2024-04-08 05:00:00	edu4rdshl	Btw, the way that guy use vim is... 
2024-04-08 05:00:12	edu4rdshl	Damn, I wish I use vim that way
2024-04-08 05:01:19	bluetail	edu4rdshl u get there
2024-04-08 05:01:23	bluetail	just keep computing
2024-04-08 05:03:38	bluetail	its probably pavucontrol
2024-04-08 05:05:32	bluetail	I don't know, we're just guessing
2024-04-08 05:09:37	red_man	hi all
2024-04-08 05:10:02	espresso	hello
2024-04-08 05:10:42	red_man	so im using i3 wm and when i shut the lid of said laptop arch does not logout
2024-04-08 05:11:39	edu4rdshl	greentail, I was talking about the movement between and into files
2024-04-08 05:11:47	espresso	red_man: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Suspend#Troubleshooting might be worth a look
2024-04-08 05:11:49	phrik	Title: Power management/Suspend and hibernate - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-08 05:11:50	edu4rdshl	red_man, check the journal
2024-04-08 05:12:40	red_man	sorry forgot
2024-04-08 05:14:23	edu4rdshl	Always: check the journal before anything else
2024-04-08 05:14:34	edu4rdshl	!give greentail 0x0
2024-04-08 05:14:35	phrik	greentail: curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-04-08 05:14:54	lucas-arg	hey all... this is more like a general question, cant change the size and cursor theme in sddm, tried in archwiki but anything i do i cant change it
2024-04-08 05:15:22	edu4rdshl	No
2024-04-08 05:15:41	edu4rdshl	journalctl -b |& curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-04-08 05:16:09	edu4rdshl	lucas-arg, are you using Arch?
2024-04-08 05:16:17	lucas-arg	yes
2024-04-08 05:17:29	edu4rdshl	Cheee, you may want to check https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=282697
2024-04-08 05:17:30	phrik	Title: Unable to change cursor size for SDDM / Applications & Desktop Environments / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-04-08 05:17:32	edu4rdshl	lucas-arg ^
2024-04-08 05:17:50	edu4rdshl	greentail, redirecting the output of the first command, even if it fails
2024-04-08 05:19:18	edu4rdshl	lucas-arg, https://github.com/sddm/sddm/pull/1498
2024-04-08 05:19:27	edu4rdshl	greentail, yes
2024-04-08 05:22:27	lucas-arg	i tried that
2024-04-08 05:22:30	lucas-arg	didnt work
2024-04-08 05:23:38	edu4rdshl	No idea, SSDM has had many changes recently, including Wayland support, etc
2024-04-08 05:24:19	edu4rdshl	Maybe try joining to their IRC channel
2024-04-08 05:24:56	edu4rdshl	Or https://github.com/sddm/sddm/wiki/Theming 
2024-04-08 05:26:40	lucas-arg	[Theme] Current=breeze CursorTheme=breeze_cursors
2024-04-08 05:27:07	lucas-arg	in /etc/sddm.conf.d/kde_settings.conf
2024-04-08 05:32:12	novns	greentail, https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/1bt7p89/eduroam_troubleshoot/
2024-04-08 05:33:11	novns	"It could be due to the removal of SHA1 support in the kernel"
2024-04-08 05:33:13	novns	"should be available again in 6.8.3"
2024-04-08 05:34:22	novns	it was a week ago, kernel should be 6.8.4 if you update it
2024-04-08 05:35:06	novns	and what is the version of your LTS kernel?
2024-04-08 05:36:32	lucas-arg	ok solve it, had to put the same content in /etc/sddm.conf.d/ /etc/sddm.conf
2024-04-08 05:37:06	novns	nice
2024-04-08 05:41:56	espresso	https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=158407  WiFi protocols; HT = 802.11n, VHT = 802.11ac
2024-04-08 05:41:59	phrik	Title: [Solved] Setting up wireless connection using iwd (HT/VHT enabled) - Debian User Forums (at forums.debian.net)
2024-04-08 05:42:47	red_man	i cant believe arch has no termnal based chess
2024-04-08 05:43:39	espresso	extra/gnuchess ? and so many in aur I haven't checked
2024-04-08 05:44:20	red_man	i dont know how to build a pkg.
2024-04-08 05:44:24	red_man	yet
2024-04-08 05:44:56	red_man	huh  say what
2024-04-08 05:45:14	Dworin	read here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_User_Repository
2024-04-08 05:45:15	red_man	paru?
2024-04-08 05:45:15	phrik	Title: Arch User Repository - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-08 05:45:25	phrik	greentail: No idea
2024-04-08 05:45:58	red_man	never mind 
2024-04-08 05:46:26	espresso	general info: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR_User_Guidelines  and https://github.com/Morganamilo/paru is an AUR helper from experienced developer; I have had only success with it. 
2024-04-08 05:46:28	phrik	Title: Arch User Repository - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-08 05:47:06	red_man	Phrik I know about aur :(
2024-04-08 05:47:07	phrik	red_man: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
2024-04-08 05:47:26	red_man	kiss my u know what
2024-04-08 05:48:16	red_man	must be time for coffee :)
2024-04-08 05:48:48	mefistofeles	!give red_man coffee
2024-04-08 05:48:48	phrik	red_man: way too much coffee, but if it weren't for the coffee, I'd have no identifiable personality whatsoever.
2024-04-08 05:48:49	espresso	I would say almost always ;)
2024-04-08 05:49:45	red_man	sorry guys i found it in extra
2024-04-08 05:49:57	mefistofeles	lol
2024-04-08 05:50:11	red_man	:(
2024-04-08 05:50:13	mefistofeles	!next
2024-04-08 05:50:13	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2024-04-08 05:50:51	mefistofeles	I guess he's sorry for the confusion/noise
2024-04-08 05:51:10	red_man	no im sorry for not looking in extra and wasting  time
2024-04-08 05:51:19	mefistofeles	exactly
2024-04-08 05:52:03	red_man	look man im just now relearning arch OK
2024-04-08 05:52:18	mefistofeles	sure, nobody is saying anything
2024-04-08 05:52:27	red_man	nice 
2024-04-08 05:53:03	red_man	but I dont like to ask questions before looking it up 
2024-04-08 05:55:55	edu4rdshl	red_man, read about makepkg and PKGBUILDs
2024-04-08 05:56:08	edu4rdshl	Then you can build and even create packages by yourself
2024-04-08 06:04:33	espresso	red_man: oh, no trouble at all!  I like to help where possible (and hopefully not lead them to disaster!), and learn stuff all the time from people here :)
2024-04-08 06:04:59	red_man	cool expresso
2024-04-08 06:05:20	red_man	I appreciate:)
2024-04-08 06:14:36	espresso	red_man: I guess https://github.com/Morganamilo/paru page describes what it does; basically a shortcut for the 'git clone.. makepkg -si' procedure and other things, while otherwise functioning as pacman
2024-04-08 06:15:31	Dworin	Why not use arch's aurutils?
2024-04-08 06:18:42	espresso	Dworin: I guess I discovered paru when reading about 'yay', and it's worked well, but I have not much other reason, so maybe I should try aurutils
2024-04-08 06:28:49	espresso	trying aurutils and will probably learn something
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2024-04-08 08:30:24	axq	Soni: hm?
2024-04-08 08:30:36	axq	with netfilter?
2024-04-08 08:31:27	axq	the inet family should cover both
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2024-04-08 09:15:58	parakovsky	guys in this instructions https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/USB_flash_installation_medium it said to dd the iso file while the drive is not mounted, it explicitly saying that. or do I misread it? not sure you can copy stuff into it like that...
2024-04-08 09:15:59	phrik	Title: USB flash installation medium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-08 09:16:22	⚡ 	parakovsky was trying to rsync clone his old drive and spend 7 minutes figuring out 'medium not found' error
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2024-04-08 09:18:03	parakovsky	other problem i'm having is that I am trying to switch back to older drive and with this https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Rsync#File_system_cloning it wouldn't load GRUB after a full clone, anybody have had that? seems to be related to some new GRUB compatibility layer or whatever. it used to clone just fine few months ago and everything load without problems, but now it just send me back to
2024-04-08 09:18:03	parakovsky	laptop startup screen....
2024-04-08 09:18:04	phrik	Title: rsync - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-08 09:18:35	parakovsky	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Rsync#Full_system_backup - actually meant this url for prev message sorry
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2024-04-08 09:18:36	phrik	Title: rsync - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-08 09:18:56	rsacramento	xit
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2024-04-08 09:19:21	parakovsky	rsync -aAXHv --exclude='/dev/*' --exclude='/proc/*' --exclude='/sys/*' --exclude='/tmp/*' --exclude='/run/*' --exclude='/mnt/*' --exclude='/media/*' --exclude='/lost+found/' --exclude='/swapfile' --exclude='/storage/' / /run/media/parakovsky/3f2b2d0d-c3d0-4e55-9c4f-79ddf62b28ef/ is what i am using, think all the flags are alright...? 
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2024-04-08 09:27:17	parakovsky	ok i might forgot to exclude the /run/media folder for which the external ssd attached
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2024-04-08 10:12:15	vardo	Hi, in the wiki "Thorium" is under privacy focused spinoff of chromium, although I can't find information about this on their website, I only see discussions about optimizations. Is it really stripped of google?
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2024-04-08 10:13:26	jelle	I would take all chromium forks with a graint of salt
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2024-04-08 10:14:37	vardo	I don't know what that means.
2024-04-08 10:15:06	jelle	vardo: I would doubt they keep up with updating chromium
2024-04-08 10:15:49	vardo	jelle: but I'm more concerned with privacy here.
2024-04-08 10:15:59	jelle	use firefox? :)
2024-04-08 10:16:15	masterkorp	Hey guys
2024-04-08 10:16:24	vardo	Firefox doesn't support a number of websites, which is why I tend to use Chrome.
2024-04-08 10:16:26	jelle	although chromium is just fine if you don't login
2024-04-08 10:16:34	masterkorp	My chromium stopped starting for me
2024-04-08 10:16:41	masterkorp	I just love firefox
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2024-04-08 10:19:02	masterkorp	but I need chromium for micro teams
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2024-04-08 10:23:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-08 10:22:03	masterkorp	that is the thing
2024-04-08 10:22:10	masterkorp	does not log anything
2024-04-08 10:22:39	masterkorp	just hangs
2024-04-08 10:22:46	masterkorp	I cannot find the windows
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2024-04-08 10:27:01	Namarrgon	are you starting it from a terminal?
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2024-04-08 11:10:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-08 10:30:40	masterkorp	yes
2024-04-08 10:30:47	masterkorp	just so i can see some outpuy 
2024-04-08 10:31:03	masterkorp	man it sucks because I need chorme/chormium for using teams 
2024-04-08 10:31:21	Namarrgon	Make sure there are no old instances running somewhere before you start it again, otherwise it might just to open a new tab/window in the old process.
2024-04-08 10:33:29	masterkorp	yes, I did
2024-04-08 10:33:37	masterkorp	is there way to increase loggimg 
2024-04-08 10:43:20	Namarrgon	--enable-logging --v=1
2024-04-08 10:43:23	Namarrgon	""
2024-04-08 10:44:38	Namarrgon	"Debug logs are stored in the user data directory as chrome_debug.log."
2024-04-08 10:45:06	Namarrgon	For chromium the name is likely different.
2024-04-08 10:59:14	masterkorp	nope, I do that but it writes to nowhere
2024-04-08 11:00:45	masterkorp	https://0x0.st/Xiyu.txt
2024-04-08 11:00:45	masterkorp	 this is the process after I start it 
2024-04-08 11:01:56	Namarrgon	I see ~/.config/chromium/chrome_debug.log getting created here.
2024-04-08 11:02:27	Namarrgon	masterk+  865444  0.0  0.0      0     0 pts/15   Z+   09:58   0:00 [chromium] <defunct>
2024-04-08 11:02:46	Namarrgon	is that still there after you kill the other process?
2024-04-08 11:04:00	Namarrgon	interesting grep alias you got there
2024-04-08 11:05:22	masterkorp	no, when I kill it it goes away 
2024-04-08 11:09:09	masterkorp	you are right tough, it goes to the config folder
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2024-04-08 11:11:02	masterkorp	This is my debug log https://0x0.st/Xiyj.txt
2024-04-08 11:13:04	masterkorp	This seems to be the main error  vaInitialize failed: unknown libva error 
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2024-04-08 11:41:17	jelle	greentail: no, it's DNS
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2024-04-08 12:06:17	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-08 11:54:01	akik	greentail: look up its ip address, then use whois to see more info about it. or use traceroute
2024-04-08 12:06:17	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-08 12:07:17	akik	finnish power
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2024-04-08 12:10:50	Ingar	Isn't Hetzner German ?
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2024-04-08 12:12:42	akik	i was happy to see it's supposedly in finland where i live
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2024-04-08 12:39:02	dibesfer	you will overpass debian if you use calamares by default
2024-04-08 12:39:52	Namarrgon	popularity isn't the goal
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2024-04-08 12:45:08	gog	competing with other distros for users is wasted effort
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2024-04-08 12:49:31	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-08 12:51:45	golu8	what is mau no.?
2024-04-08 12:52:46	gromit	greentail: where does arch say how many users it has? 
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2024-04-08 12:52:50	dibesfer	!thanks
2024-04-08 12:52:51	phrik	You're welcome, dibesfer.
2024-04-08 12:53:50	phrik	Title: Monthly Active Users (MAU): Definition and How the Indicator Is Used (at www.investopedia.com)
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2024-04-08 12:58:13	Namarrgon	iso downloads would be a terrible way to count arch users.
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2024-04-08 13:00:03	gog	yes
2024-04-08 13:00:20	gog	which is problematic for either accuracy or privacy reasons
2024-04-08 13:00:58	gog	and in terms of benefit, it's a silly metric to focus on because who is helped? the sort of people that would care about user count would be interested in monetizing them somehow probably
2024-04-08 13:01:02	gromit	greentail: the premise is false, arch does not compete for users
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2024-04-08 13:01:49	mkoskar	only realistic way would be for mirrors to "track" users and then aggregate this over all mirrors, but ye it's rather useless metric
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2024-04-08 13:32:11	ponies	But no matter, because we are already convinced of our own supremacy anyway 
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2024-04-08 13:35:07	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-08 13:35:07	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1467 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1466 regular)
2024-04-08 13:34:33	akik	that would be #linux
2024-04-08 13:35:07	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-08 13:35:55	Soni	axq: hmm? we can't tell why it isn't working, there's nothing in the logs about it other than "started fail2ban" or whatever, it doesn't appear to be doing anything
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2024-04-08 13:37:55	Paipou	I'm not even sure what distro I would use if I was unable to use Arch
2024-04-08 13:38:30	axq	sounds like something is wrong with the jail configuration Soni 
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2024-04-08 13:39:47	golu8	[17:07]  Paipou: I'm not even sure what distro I would use if I was unable to use Arch, nixos?
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2024-04-08 13:40:41	axq	the logfile may be parsed incorrectly or not parsed. you can test the regular expression with fail2ban-regex Soni 
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2024-04-08 13:48:30	Soni	axq: it's matching them... but it's not doing anything?
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2024-04-08 13:53:25	axq	i think fail2ban still tries to use iptables by default. so you either have to change the banaction in the jail to netfilter or install iptables. i would recommend the former though
2024-04-08 13:54:15	axq	sed -i "s/banaction_allports = iptables-allports/banaction_allports = nftables-allports/g" /etc/fail2ban/jail.conf
2024-04-08 13:54:18	axq	sed -i "s/banaction = iptables-multiport/banaction = nftables-multiport/g" /etc/fail2ban/jail.conf
2024-04-08 13:54:23	axq	these two should do
2024-04-08 13:54:50	axq	if that is the case why nothing happens it's just a guess
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2024-04-08 14:07:41	tsdh	Is there a way to block a package from being upgraded to some specific version?  Like IgnorePkg in pacman.conf but with a version?
2024-04-08 14:08:07	gromit	tsdh: what issue are you actually trying to solve? 
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2024-04-08 14:09:55	tsdh	gromit: The current xorg-wayland version crashes frequently (reported upstream, already fixed there).  I downgraded but would like to stop my daily system update from updating the package again unless a new version has been released.
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2024-04-08 14:10:35	tsdh	If I IgnorePkg it, I'll forget and still run the last version in 10 years. ;-)
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2024-04-08 14:11:15	cake37	Pacman should tell you there's an ignored package every time you update so you don't forget
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2024-04-08 14:12:48	tsdh	cake37: Oh, you are right.  Ok, that's sufficient. Thanks!
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2024-04-08 14:14:48	Soni	axq: we have iptables...
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2024-04-08 14:31:02	Freneticks	is there a way to check disk on raid0 (mdadm) like scrub or anything ? (I don't care if data is lost I just want to be sure it's broken or not)
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2024-04-08 14:36:13	Namarrgon	Freneticks: https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Scrubbing_the_drives
2024-04-08 14:36:15	phrik	Title: Scrubbing the drives - Linux Raid Wiki (at raid.wiki.kernel.org)
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2024-04-08 14:36:43	Freneticks	Namarrgon: I know this, but my raid don't have this option
2024-04-08 14:36:54	Freneticks	so I cannot sync in raid0 ?
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2024-04-08 14:37:13	Namarrgon	what do you have in /sys/block/mdX/md/ ?
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2024-04-08 14:39:07	Freneticks	alignment_offset  dev  events   ext_range  inflight   power  removable  slaves     trace bdi               discard_alignment  events_async       hidden     integrity  queue  ro         stat       uevent capability        diskseq            events_poll_msecs  holders    md         range  size       subsystem 
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2024-04-08 14:42:08	Namarrgon	Well, that's a NO then, even though the wiki makes it sounds like it should work on RAID0.
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2024-04-08 14:43:04	Namarrgon	Ah, no, i just misread RAID10 as RAID0, nvm...
2024-04-08 14:54:01	Freneticks	ok thx
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2024-04-08 14:58:40	Freneticks	Namarrgon: btw do you what is raid scrubbing ? Is there a checksum scrub like on zfs/btrfs or other things ?
2024-04-08 14:58:45	Freneticks	do you know*
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2024-04-08 15:06:35	Namarrgon	Freneticks: if parity data is present the data will be checked against it, otherwise it just reads all data and reports errors
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2024-04-08 15:56:58	dontdieych	Gentlemen, I forgot a name of program that could do 'Capslock' as Ctrl + Esc' even at console (tty0)?
2024-04-08 15:57:16	dontdieych	ud....? forgot
2024-04-08 15:57:59	dontdieych	Project hompage was at gitlab
2024-04-08 15:58:38	dontdieych	udvadm? I guess
2024-04-08 16:02:16	aqueous-brig	As in, you'd like to remap capslock and have it work in the virtual terminal as well as in your desktop environment of choice?
2024-04-08 16:03:59	aqueous-brig	I could be convinced udev can do this, but I'd be surprised 
2024-04-08 16:04:34	Namarrgon	hwdb?
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2024-04-09 17:03:27	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1468 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1467 regular)
2024-04-09 14:37:05	Paddy_NI	rclone really is a marvel
2024-04-09 14:37:31	Paddy_NI	I have yet to use the dedupe function that it offers
2024-04-09 14:37:59	Paddy_NI	Being rate limited by Google is not so much fun though.
2024-04-09 14:41:11	phonemic	Wireguard question. I am using KDE / NetworkManager. The interface will be up and show "Connected" even if I supply a bogus peer. I am used to openvpn where it never connects. Nothing obviously routes, but what is happening in the background?
2024-04-09 14:41:30	Paddy_NI	rodolfo: It's $0.25 per minute so $15.00 per hour
2024-04-09 14:41:31	phonemic	There's obviously a failed handshake 
2024-04-09 14:42:08	Paddy_NI	phonemic: Have you just tried it using the cli?
2024-04-09 14:42:20	phonemic	wireguard-tools ?
2024-04-09 14:43:19	phonemic	yeah but resolvconf is an issue 
2024-04-09 14:44:04	Paddy_NI	phonemic: Lawrence Systems on Youtube have a great tutorial on wireguard. Let me see if I can find it. I think Jay LaCroix also has a good wireguard tutorial
2024-04-09 14:44:10	phonemic	My question is more to understand why the interface is still brought up and showing "connected" when there's no peer on the other side
2024-04-09 14:44:35	Paddy_NI	Actually this https://www.wireguard.com/quickstart/
2024-04-09 14:44:37	phrik	Title: Quick Start - WireGuard (at www.wireguard.com)
2024-04-09 14:44:54	Paipou	!paste
2024-04-09 14:44:54	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-09 14:44:56	bl4ck_goku	anyone here uses powershell as primary instead of something like bash/fish?
2024-04-09 14:45:28	Paddy_NI	phonemic: I would first rule out if this is an issue with kde networkmanager first 
2024-04-09 14:46:12	phonemic	Paddy_NI: I can see the interface using `ip addr` so it's definitely up
2024-04-09 14:46:13	Paddy_NI	afaik there does not need to be a peer at the other side for wireguard to state "connected"
2024-04-09 14:46:53	phonemic	Paddy_NI: That is really weird behavior. 
2024-04-09 14:46:55	Khorne	bl4ck_goku, do you have an actual question?
2024-04-09 14:46:57	Paddy_NI	Wireguard if using a systemd unit should most likely always show a connection as up
2024-04-09 14:47:33	another|	phonemic: different definitions of "up" and "connected"
2024-04-09 14:47:56	hseg	Namarrgon, you asked what GPUs I have in re whether Xorg running as root is sensible?
2024-04-09 14:48:09	hseg	Intel HD630 and Nvidia GP107M
2024-04-09 14:48:43	hseg	using the unfree nvidia driver, been ages since I checked nouveau support, but don't have the bandwidth rn to check alternatives
2024-04-09 14:48:46	Namarrgon	hseg: As the manual says, with multiple gpus the autodetection of the wrapper might get it wrong.
2024-04-09 14:48:50	bl4ck_goku	Khorne: nvm, its not arch linux question
2024-04-09 14:49:48	hseg	ah, and so I should explicitly drop-in a /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config force-dropping root perms?
2024-04-09 14:50:03	Namarrgon	hseg: That's the workaround, yes.
2024-04-09 14:50:11	hseg	ok, testing...
2024-04-09 14:50:26	another|	wireguard is "up" if the interface has the IFF_UP flag
2024-04-09 14:50:50	hseg	(incidentally, that might explain the weird log situation -- those may be relics from the last time I played with nouveau, or flakiness in re kms detection
2024-04-09 14:50:52	hseg	)
2024-04-09 14:51:53	alad	)
2024-04-09 14:52:07	phonemic	another|: Is there a way to see if there's actually any connection to a peer?
2024-04-09 14:52:23	phonemic	Even if the interface is UP, but there's nobody on the other end
2024-04-09 14:52:36	Namarrgon	Now the universe is forever unbalanced, thank you, alad.
2024-04-09 14:52:40	another|	`wg` check if the latest handshake is <180s
2024-04-09 14:52:53	hseg	)^{-1} saved the universe
2024-04-09 14:53:04	alad	you're welcome
2024-04-09 14:53:11	another|	or 120
2024-04-09 14:53:33	phonemic	another|: i can't use wg because I'm on KDE w/ NetworkManager. let me spin up a container
2024-04-09 14:54:34	another|	phonemic: wat? why not?
2024-04-09 14:54:35	hseg	success! Xorg on the other VTY indeed runs as non-root
2024-04-09 14:55:10	phonemic	another|: wg isn't on my system unless I install wireguard-tools and there's some issue with resolvconf
2024-04-09 14:55:24	hseg	dropping a note for myself to reconsider this when trying out nouveau
2024-04-09 14:55:50	hseg	and editing the wiki to clarify the language here
2024-04-09 14:55:52	another|	phonemic: what issue?
2024-04-09 14:55:54	hseg	thanks Namarrgon 
2024-04-09 14:56:23	another|	and btw: wg integration in NM sucks
2024-04-09 14:57:42	phonemic	another|: i mispoke, wg works. it is wg-quick that has the resolvconf issue
2024-04-09 14:58:48	phonemic	I can see now running wg that the "bad" config's interface doesn't list a handshake, and the "good" one does 
2024-04-09 14:59:35	phonemic	Learned something new. "Connected" doesn't always mean connected lol.
2024-04-09 15:00:15	another|	the only halfway working way to configure wg on NM is with nm-connection-editor
2024-04-09 15:00:26	another|	or edit the config files directly and restart NM
2024-04-09 15:01:06	phonemic	The question came up because I wanted to make sure if I deactivated a peer they could no longer connect and it led me down a rabbit hole
2024-04-09 15:01:24	knopwob	phonemic: think of it as your vpn-network-cable is connected on your side. it doesn't say anything about wether the other peers are connected as well.
2024-04-09 15:01:37	another|	define "deactivated"
2024-04-09 15:02:03	phonemic	another|: invalidate the client
2024-04-09 15:02:09	another|	the only way to deactivate is to remove the peer
2024-04-09 15:02:26	phonemic	server side right?
2024-04-09 15:03:11	another|	there is no server. wireguard is peer based
2024-04-09 15:03:14	phonemic	because they would still have the server's public key, but if I've removed the client on my side they cannot handshake?
2024-04-09 15:03:59	phonemic	another|: I see...if I delete the peer's public key on my side, even if they have my public key doesn't matter?
2024-04-09 15:04:31	phonemic	another|: again, i'm used to openvpn client/server model. all new for me.
2024-04-09 15:05:28	another|	cannot parse question
2024-04-09 15:05:47	Metroid	just remove the peer from you config then they can't connect
2024-04-09 15:06:41	another|	sure. as long as that config is also the running one
2024-04-09 15:06:49	another|	and not just a config file
2024-04-09 15:07:06	phonemic	another|: yeah, i didn't ask that well. can someone peer with me if they know the IP, port, and public key?
2024-04-09 15:07:27	phonemic	another|: OR, do I assume need to add their public key on my side?
2024-04-09 15:07:30	phonemic	*also
2024-04-09 15:08:19	phonemic	knopwob: that's a helpful visual
2024-04-09 15:08:23	another|	both sides need the other's pubkey
2024-04-09 15:08:39	phonemic	another|: got it. i understand now. thank you.
2024-04-09 15:17:16	savolla	anyone knows how do I play .ahx files on arch? or any program that runs them?
2024-04-09 15:19:25	auster	what exactly is ahx? audio? video?
2024-04-09 15:19:36	pog	audio format for amiga
2024-04-09 15:20:35	auster	https://zakalwe.fi/uade/
2024-04-09 15:20:36	phrik	Title: UADE - Unix Amiga Delitracker Emulator - an amiga music file player for unix (at zakalwe.fi)
2024-04-09 15:20:43	auster	might be what you are looking for?
2024-04-09 15:20:51	auster	never tried it tho, just my google-fo idea
2024-04-09 15:25:07	savolla	I installed uade thanks!
2024-04-09 15:25:33	akik	"it's designed to sound as close to a C64 Sid chip as possible without emulation for Amiga" first time i hear about this
2024-04-09 15:27:23	auster	it's a curious thing to be honest
2024-04-09 15:28:17	akik	but not unexpected :)
2024-04-09 15:28:20	savolla	I'm getting all chiptunes from http://tracker.modarchive.org/. in case you guys want to know
2024-04-09 15:28:40	auster	thanks a lot, might be a curious thing to listen to ^^
2024-04-09 15:28:56	akik	deepsid for sid music
2024-04-09 15:29:02	savolla	yw auster 
2024-04-09 15:29:03	hseg	Aren't -debug packages supposed to inherit their parent packages' conflicts/provides/replaces? Replacing shellcheck-git-static by shellcheck-bin only triggers the removal of shellcheck-git-static, not of shellcheck-git-static-debug (to obvious breakage)
2024-04-09 15:31:51	auster	hseg: I would expect that to be the case, but I am not very knowledgeable on those new debug packages.. anything else would not make much sense
2024-04-09 15:51:33	demure	greentail: does it keep crashing, or was it a one off?
2024-04-09 16:04:28	demure	generally one offs are a non issue. sounds like you already know you have an X issue to troubleshoot. good luck fighting with your graphics issues. 
2024-04-09 16:21:39	jensen	systemd user unit fails with "GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NameHasNoOwner: Could not activate remote peer: unit failed." any ideas?
2024-04-09 16:24:13	derSpasm	jensen: not enough information to be able to answer.  Which unit is this?  What should it be doing when it tries to connect to the remote peer?
2024-04-09 16:31:07	jensen	i'm on wayland, this is my custom user unit to listen to syncthing to notify via mako when an event happens: https://0x0.st/XiDS.txt where graphical-init.service runs with an After=graphical-session.target PartOf=graphical-session.target. since it's dbus-related i'm thinking it might have to do with mako which is a daemon used for notifications
2024-04-09 16:56:13	mpan	greentail: none
2024-04-09 16:59:40	phrik	Title: BTRFS - I surrender! Good features BUT Complex, wastes time, not KISS, does not play well - Fedora Discussion (at discussion.fedoraproject.org)
2024-04-09 17:03:27	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-09 17:03:55	jelle	greentail: what about that post? :)
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2024-04-09 17:09:55	mpan	inb4 “does not follow Unix Philosophy” (no, I didn’t even click it). Whatever, what is your question?
2024-04-09 17:10:25	⚡ 	jp likes btrfs
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2024-04-09 17:11:05	⚡ 	MortimerHoughton wonders if he should join the btrfs fanclub
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2024-04-09 17:12:21	another|	btrfs is ok
2024-04-09 17:12:33	another|	it's not perfect but it's quite okay
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2024-04-09 17:12:47	Khorne	why not bcachefs, btrfs is old news
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2024-04-09 17:14:08	jclsn	Why is tftpd not picking up the arguments in /etc/conf.d/tftpd?
2024-04-09 17:14:08	another|	bcachefs is still very new and buggy
2024-04-09 17:14:20	Khorne	another|, so just like btrfs then? :D
2024-04-09 17:14:26	jclsn	I have TFTP_ARGS="--secure /srv/tftp/"
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2024-04-09 17:14:31	another|	btrfs is more stable I'd say
2024-04-09 17:14:43	Khorne	btrfs is still the only filesystem that has lost me data so far :=
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2024-04-09 17:15:10	jclsn	Ah, forgot the D
2024-04-09 17:15:13	jclsn	nevermind
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2024-04-09 17:18:06	Khorne	Sure, I don't doubt that.
2024-04-09 17:18:33	Khorne	Also wholly irrelevant to my experience and the utter shitpile that btrfs is
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2024-04-09 17:41:37	madprops	anybody knows of a guide I can follow to install rocm from my radeon gpu? There is a rocm-core package but I don't know if I should do something else
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2024-04-09 17:41:51	madprops	for my radeon gpu*
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2024-04-09 17:59:47	jelle	what do you want to do?
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2024-04-09 18:05:50	madprops	jelle, i want llama.cpp to work on a rx 6600
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2024-04-09 18:08:28	MacGyver	Can I make a terminal bell if all background jobs have finished?
2024-04-09 18:08:34	MacGyver	zsh, if that matters.
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2024-04-09 18:10:47	jp	MacGyver: wait should work 
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2024-04-09 18:11:39	jp	a & b & c & wait && printf "\a"
2024-04-09 18:12:01	jp	will bell after a, b, and c are finished
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2024-04-09 18:15:45	MacGyver	jp: Supposedly `for i in /dev/sd{a..j}; do sudo sha1sum $i &; done; wait` would also work?
2024-04-09 18:15:58	MacGyver	The prompt itself already bells for me.
2024-04-09 18:16:10	MacGyver	So if wait simply waits for all background tasks, that'll do.
2024-04-09 18:16:51	jp	MacGyver: yes, no arguments waits for all background jobs
2024-04-09 18:17:00	jp	MacGyver: run-help wait for more information
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2024-04-09 18:17:47	MacGyver	Aaah, now I understand how to interpret "all process IDs known to the invoking shell"
2024-04-09 18:18:02	Earnestly	MacGyver: (& terminates a command like ; (no need for &;) and "$i")
2024-04-09 18:18:46	MacGyver	Earnestly: Why should I be quoting $i there?
2024-04-09 18:18:47	Earnestly	Although $i is probably fine with zsh
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2024-04-09 18:19:12	Earnestly	sh rules for quoting are simple, zsh's are more complicated and I can't made a point of learning them all
2024-04-09 18:19:16	MacGyver	Other than "consistent good practice"?
2024-04-09 18:19:40	MacGyver	Yeah but surely that $i would never need quoting, even in sh, since it is a limited non-wildcard expansion?
2024-04-09 18:20:00	Earnestly	MacGyver: For sh it's intention; do you want the shell to attempt word expansions on the resulting wordsplitting expansion?
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2024-04-09 18:20:18	jp	well if you have "setopt shwordsplit" you will need quotes
2024-04-09 18:20:32	jp	i have that off in my configuration, not sure what the default is
2024-04-09 18:20:52	MacGyver	Well it works so I assume off :P
2024-04-09 18:21:03	MacGyver	But fair point.
2024-04-09 18:21:06	Earnestly	Yeah it's off by default with zsh
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2024-04-09 18:21:46	Earnestly	MacGyver: It would be like using python variables as: result = Glob.glob(variable.split()) instead of just result = variable
2024-04-09 18:22:27	madprops	why is there no easy to install dictionary? Stardict is suspicious to me. And I don't see other alternative
2024-04-09 18:22:36	Earnestly	Up to you if that's what you intend, there is also set -f to disable the "Glob.glob()" aspect.
2024-04-09 18:22:48	madprops	you'd think dictionaries would be as coomon as hello worlds
2024-04-09 18:22:49	madprops	but they're not
2024-04-09 18:22:50	Earnestly	madprops: dict seems fine
2024-04-09 18:23:15	madprops	i'll try that
2024-04-09 18:23:16	Earnestly	Then `dict word'
2024-04-09 18:23:38	madprops	is it in dictd package?
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2024-04-09 18:23:58	Earnestly	Yes, although looking at strace, dict is reading the result 1 byte at a time. Oof, is this a shell script?
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2024-04-09 18:24:14	Earnestly	That's pretty brutal
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2024-04-09 18:25:01	madprops	also it's online
2024-04-09 18:25:07	madprops	why is it hard to have a local dict
2024-04-09 18:25:15	madprops	it just needs a textfile or jsonfile
2024-04-09 18:25:18	madprops	it can't be hard
2024-04-09 18:25:33	madprops	dictd 	1.13.1-5 	Online dictionary client and server
2024-04-09 18:25:41	Earnestly	madprops: It's a client/server, you can download the dictionaries
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2024-04-09 18:26:08	Earnestly	It's not as easy as the old unix "words"
2024-04-09 18:27:54	madprops	oh well it works online nicely
2024-04-09 18:27:55	madprops	lots of results
2024-04-09 18:28:18	nani	I recommend the gcide dictionary if you want do download for offline use
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2024-04-09 18:29:24	nani	When you are offline, just add `server localhost` to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/dict/dictrc
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2024-04-09 18:30:24	madprops	gcide is better than wordnet?
2024-04-09 18:30:59	madprops	guess they're different
2024-04-09 18:31:09	nani	gcide is a slightly updated 1913 webster, so if you like intelligent-sounding definitions, its a good choice
2024-04-09 18:31:37	nani	It also sources most of its example sentances from famous books and poems
2024-04-09 18:31:54	Earnestly	MacGyver: Seems like zsh's unquoted expansion determines if it resolves to anything at all, i.e. nothing or '' (the "null string"). $arr expands only non-empty/nullstring elements, "$arr" includes everything. It seems like unquoted $() also splits without quotes, i.e. printf '[%s]' $(print hello world) => [hello][world]
2024-04-09 18:33:44	Earnestly	MacGyver: It splits unquoted $() according to IFS as well
2024-04-09 18:33:54	madprops	gpg: keyserver receive failed: Server indicated a failure
2024-04-09 18:33:55	madprops	 -> problem importing keys
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2024-04-09 18:34:25	Earnestly	MacGyver: Welp, I know zsh quoting now, so that's nice
2024-04-09 18:34:41	MacGyver	Earnestly: Sorry about causing that rabbit hole for you.
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2024-04-09 18:35:12	Earnestly	I've been using zsh for years, it was about time
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2024-04-09 18:35:30	jp	sometimes when i'm bored i read man zshall
2024-04-09 18:35:41	Earnestly	MacGyver: Also can you identify https://0x0.st/Xik4.oga (opus)
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2024-04-09 18:37:02	MacGyver	I'm not that good at music but it certainly has the feel of Muse.
2024-04-09 18:37:10	Earnestly	It does in a way
2024-04-09 18:37:46	Earnestly	It's also quite probably a "royalty free" sample
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2024-04-09 18:43:07	mefistofeles	hmm, today saw this one while booting BUG: kernel NULL pointer dereference, address: 0000000000000070
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2024-04-09 18:43:21	mefistofeles	been facing kernel bugs in the last few updates :/
2024-04-09 18:43:30	mefistofeles	this one at least did not kill the whole system
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2024-04-09 18:45:54	james2410_	im trying to install arch again after several failed attempts with the archinstall script, in the partition section im asked to choose bootloader which bootloader should i choose?
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2024-04-09 18:48:20	james2410_	grub it is then
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2024-04-09 18:48:44	another|	there are other people who argue the direct opposite
2024-04-09 18:49:03	MacGyver	I would vehemently argue the opposite.
2024-04-09 18:49:08	MacGyver	Exactly how is systemd-boot "terrible"?
2024-04-09 18:49:11	another|	Tada!
2024-04-09 18:49:16	MacGyver	It does one thing and it does it well.
2024-04-09 18:49:26	MacGyver	james2410_: Are you *familiar* with grub?
2024-04-09 18:49:38	MacGyver	james2410_: And *happy* with grub?
2024-04-09 18:49:41	MacGyver	james2410_: Then use grub.
2024-04-09 18:50:05	adherry	systemd boot supports disk encryption in a safe format, grub doesnt
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2024-04-09 18:50:47	james2410_	i am debian using for the last 7-8 months (my first linux distro), i dont know much about any of them, i think debian uses grub
2024-04-09 18:51:21	another|	adherry: wat`
2024-04-09 18:51:56	james2410_	after 5-6 failed attempts to manually install arch, i choose archinstall script
2024-04-09 18:52:04	MacGyver	Psi-Jack: Which... I take as a negative point to it, not a positive point -- I don't want my bootloader to be an OS. And that's not "terrible", that's just what it is.
2024-04-09 18:52:29	mzhao	i tried arch install once, was so painful I had to reinstall
2024-04-09 18:52:39	susi__	james2410_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8utpbbdj0LQ here's 'manual' Arch installation in one minute
2024-04-09 18:52:43	susi__	it's not that complicated
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2024-04-09 18:53:59	mzhao	hmm I tried last fall and journalctl kept complaining about permissions of the /boot partition
2024-04-09 18:54:28	susi__	perms of /boot partition easily suck, if it's on a vfat fs
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2024-04-09 18:54:36	adherry	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#LUKS2
2024-04-09 18:54:38	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-09 18:54:49	mzhao	i think following the wiki is just a lot simpler and hassle-free
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2024-04-09 18:55:09	adherry	Grub only supports PDKDF which is rather wasy to brute force
2024-04-09 18:55:16	Scimmia	adherry: to be fair, systemd-boot doesn't support encryption at all
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2024-04-09 18:56:10	james2410_	why 'best -effort defualt partition layout' gives only 536MB for boot whereas when i did manually i gave 1gb, will it be enough, my laptop is old
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2024-04-09 18:56:38	mzhao	james2410_ depends on how many images u wanna stick in it
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2024-04-09 18:56:46	Scimmia	Psi-Jack: don't take that to mean I support you insane opinion, though
2024-04-09 18:56:52	MacGyver	Grub even supports LUKSv2 now, right?
2024-04-09 18:56:59	Scimmia	MacGyver: limited
2024-04-09 18:57:01	Scimmia	but yes
2024-04-09 18:57:05	MacGyver	Not that you should want encrypted /boot, but it *does* support it.
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2024-04-09 18:57:37	james2410_	mzhao: what do you mean?
2024-04-09 18:57:44	Scimmia	Psi-Jack: and it does that because it *is* it's own separate OS
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2024-04-09 18:58:20	mzhao	james2410_ from the wiki "If you plan to mount the partition to /boot and will not install more than one kernel, then 400 MiB will be sufficient." https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFI_system_partition
2024-04-09 18:58:21	phrik	Title: EFI system partition - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-09 18:58:33	MacGyver	Psi-Jack: By any reasonable definition of OS, grub *is* an OS. It has a kernel and it has device drivers. My point is mostly that most people don't actually *need* that from their bootloader.
2024-04-09 18:59:02	MacGyver	In a few years I'll be on the barricades for only using directly booted UKIs :P
2024-04-09 18:59:10	jp	lol
2024-04-09 18:59:10	rounak	I am using c/c++ extension from microsoft in vscodium but when I try to run/compile/debug a program with that extension, it cannot detect the gcc compiler which is installed by default on every linux distros (ofc).
2024-04-09 18:59:14	MacGyver	Tear out the complexity!
2024-04-09 18:59:28	rounak	It only shows gdb in the prompt
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2024-04-09 18:59:50	Scimmia	Psi-Jack: or, since UEFI is it's own OS as well, just use that
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2024-04-09 19:00:04	Scimmia	I don't need a 3rd one in my boot process
2024-04-09 19:00:08	MacGyver	^ That.
2024-04-09 19:00:31	MacGyver	And, to be perfectly clear: It's usually a flawed, shitty implementation thrown together by monkeys.
2024-04-09 19:00:32	Scimmia	that's never been true
2024-04-09 19:00:43	MacGyver	"Good firmware engineer" is an oxymoron apparently.
2024-04-09 19:00:50	MacGyver	But it's there *anyway*.
2024-04-09 19:01:00	brjl	Everything past the calculator was a mistake
2024-04-09 19:01:16	brjl	So "good firmware engineer" *is* an oxymoron :)
2024-04-09 19:01:19	another|	rounak: I'm confused. Do you not want gdb to debug?
2024-04-09 19:01:34	jelle	Psi-Jack: why would that not be a thing?
2024-04-09 19:01:37	MacGyver	Psi-Jack: And power to you, use grub if you *need* it.
2024-04-09 19:01:42	jelle	btrfs subvolume set-default $snapshot
2024-04-09 19:01:47	MacGyver	Psi-Jack: But you still haven't really explained what makes systemd-boot "terrible".
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2024-04-09 19:02:32	jelle	(and systemd-boot can edit kernel parameters)
2024-04-09 19:02:47	susi__	adherry: only the encryption of the boot partition is a concern for the bootloader, and systemd-boot does not handle encrypted boot partition as was said
2024-04-09 19:04:34	rounak	another|: I clicked on the run button to execute the program but there is not gcc option - https://c-v.sh/uncockedambits.png
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2024-04-09 19:05:22	rounak	no gcc option *
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2024-04-09 19:06:06	rounak	and the program doesn't run if I select gdb
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2024-04-09 19:07:48	rounak	from the drop down menu
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2024-04-09 19:09:56	jelle	Psi-Jack: that should be an initramfs thing honestly
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2024-04-09 19:11:56	jelle	right, that's probably true
2024-04-09 19:12:20	another|	rounak: not sure they support running GCC directly. Do you not have a buildsystem?
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2024-04-09 19:14:25	jelle	Psi-Jack: but how do you handle kernel modules with snapshots?
2024-04-09 19:16:06	jelle	Psi-Jack: but your /boot is separate I assume?
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2024-04-09 19:17:01	jelle	Psi-Jack: but then your kernel modules and kernel are out of sync
2024-04-09 19:17:11	rounak	another|: Nope, it just says file not found in the specific location - https://c-v.sh/timberedcheeseboard.png
2024-04-09 19:17:16	jelle	or is there some magic happening here
2024-04-09 19:17:38	rounak	idk why
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2024-04-09 19:18:01	jelle	have not seen anyone solve that :-)
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2024-04-09 21:09:39	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-09 21:09:39	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1468 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1467 regular)
2024-04-09 19:38:57	MacGyver	throstur: Are you aware of https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Discord#Discord_asks_for_an_update_not_yet_available_in_the_repository ?
2024-04-09 19:38:58	phrik	Title: Discord - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-09 19:40:41	gog	they released twice today i think
2024-04-09 19:41:00	gog	i justupdated to 0.48 and now 0.49 is out
2024-04-09 19:41:05	throstur	pacman -Q discord still shows 0.48
2024-04-09 19:41:13	throstur	mirror problem?
2024-04-09 19:41:25	Scimmia	not a problem, totally normal
2024-04-09 19:41:31	throstur	so what should I do?
2024-04-09 19:41:34	Scimmia	mirrors sync on their own schedule
2024-04-09 19:41:51	throstur	Ah, I should wait :) okay
2024-04-09 19:42:22	MacGyver	throstur: You should follow the link I pasted ;)
2024-04-09 19:42:45	throstur	ah, didn't see that thanks!
2024-04-09 19:43:29	throstur	can you please send it again, I accidentally cleared my terminal :S
2024-04-09 19:43:38	throstur	nevermind, found it in history
2024-04-09 19:43:41	MacGyver	throstur: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Discord#Discord_asks_for_an_update_not_yet_available_in_the_repository
2024-04-09 19:43:43	phrik	Title: Discord - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-09 19:46:51	throstur	sorry for being off topic, but I appreciate you all.
2024-04-09 19:48:30	akik	offtopic?
2024-04-09 19:48:45	MacGyver	throstur: Take that sappy bullshit to #alot!
2024-04-09 19:48:50	thingfish	lol
2024-04-09 19:48:53	mefistofeles	!next
2024-04-09 19:48:54	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2024-04-09 19:49:15	⚡ 	throstur laughs while receiving copious amounts of old school trout slaps
2024-04-09 19:58:35	akik	is it something different than discord.com/app ?
2024-04-09 19:59:46	mefistofeles	Psi-Jack: I don't think flatpak would help with the latter
2024-04-09 19:59:58	mefistofeles	but I also don't think the discord app does that
2024-04-09 20:00:00	mefistofeles	Psi-Jack: how?
2024-04-09 20:00:37	demure	if you haven't seen rdircd, you can skip discord GUI completely and connect via irc (similar to bitlbee)
2024-04-09 20:00:37	mefistofeles	if it can get audio and video from your system that's already out of the question
2024-04-09 20:12:25	markboston	is something wrong with discord? i applied the update this morning via packman but when i try to launch it i get a message telling me to update it
2024-04-09 20:13:06	MrElendig	make sure your mirror is up to date
2024-04-09 20:13:21	markboston	i did see it get updated via pacman
2024-04-09 20:13:23	MrElendig	other than that, arch sometimes lags a few houers with the discord package
2024-04-09 20:13:58	markboston	no the update did run. for some reason discord doesn't see the fact that pacman already did an update
2024-04-09 20:14:05	markboston	or for some reason it didn't
2024-04-09 20:14:28	MacGyver	We literally *just* had this conversation :P
2024-04-09 20:14:36	MacGyver	markboston: It's apparently been updated twice today.
2024-04-09 20:14:44	MacGyver	markboston: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Discord#Discord_asks_for_an_update_not_yet_available_in_the_repository
2024-04-09 20:14:45	phrik	Title: Discord - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-09 20:14:56	MacGyver	markboston: ^ For the dirty workaround.
2024-04-09 20:15:11	MrElendig	or just use asp
2024-04-09 20:22:48	astralc	asp still exist?
2024-04-09 20:23:04	MrElendig	or similar
2024-04-09 20:23:26	jelle	pkgctl!
2024-04-09 20:24:05	⚡ 	MrElendig has 39c fever so brain is not 100%
2024-04-09 20:24:24	CarloWood	Go to bed!
2024-04-09 20:24:32	mefistofeles	MrElendig: ouch, hope you get better soon
2024-04-09 20:25:15	astralc	get well soon
2024-04-09 20:25:16	MrElendig	doctor won't do anything except waste resources
2024-04-09 20:25:19	CarloWood	Just drink a lot and sleep a lot.
2024-04-09 20:25:30	MrElendig	an hey, the cat is happy with the extra heat
2024-04-09 20:25:31	mefistofeles	monitor the fever, don't let it get too high, and no more than 2-3 days of it
2024-04-09 20:25:43	astralc	sitting on your face?
2024-04-09 20:26:05	astralc	the cat
2024-04-09 20:26:14	MrElendig	its just a normal cold/influenca/something, got it because my sister came to visit with her two kids
2024-04-09 20:26:22	MrElendig	guaranteed to pick up something from them
2024-04-09 20:26:33	astralc	pretty high fever for cold, maybe flu
2024-04-09 20:26:37	MrElendig	since they are kindergarden age
2024-04-09 20:26:49	mefistofeles	oh yeah, kids are virus reservoirs
2024-04-09 20:27:03	MrElendig	and I having no resistance due to mot being social active
2024-04-09 20:27:34	astralc	they have special skill poison-touch
2024-04-09 20:27:51	MrElendig	when I was working at schools etc it was almost never a problem due to the natural resistance boost :p
2024-04-09 20:27:56	mefistofeles	lol, this actually shows the opposite
2024-04-09 20:27:57	mefistofeles	xD
2024-04-09 20:57:41	solsTiCe	hi. I am trying to remove a credential from a security yubikey  with fido2-token. but I got an error in return FIDO_ERR_NO_CREDENTIALS. How can I remove a credential? https://bpa.st/UWKA
2024-04-09 20:57:42	phrik	Title: View paste UWKA (at bpa.st)
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2024-04-10 09:01:05	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-10 09:01:06	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1460 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1459 regular)
2024-04-10 00:18:37	aljustiet	how can I disable changing the values using the mouse scroll in the pavucontrol?
2024-04-10 00:38:33	rcf	aljustiet: there is no way to do this so far. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pulseaudio/pavucontrol/-/issues/100 was the proposal that was retracted, though others seem to agree with you 
2024-04-10 00:38:36	phrik	Title: [request] Volume slider scrolling action (#100) · Issues · PulseAudio / pavucontrol · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2024-04-10 00:40:31	rcf	aljustiet: the reason it'd need to be done in the code is that there isn't a GTK facility to override this behavior. 
2024-04-10 01:44:06	LimeOn	Hello, i have run an update jut now, and i get the following:
2024-04-10 01:44:11	LimeOn	( 7/10) Warn about old perl modules
2024-04-10 01:44:11	LimeOn	WARNING: '/usr/lib/perl5/x86_64-linux-thread-multi' contains data from at least 1 packages which will NOT be used by the installed perl interpreter.
2024-04-10 01:44:11	LimeOn	 -> Run the following command to get a list of affected packages: pacman -Qqo '/usr/lib/perl5/x86_64-linux-thread-multi'
2024-04-10 01:44:24	LimeOn	the indicated command shows: 'imagemagick'
2024-04-10 01:44:47	LimeOn	any ideas on what i have to do?
2024-04-10 01:45:33	mefistofeles	LimeOn: weird, what does `pacman -Q imagemagick` say?
2024-04-10 01:45:57	LimeOn	pacman -Q imagemagick : 'imagemagick 7.1.1.30-1'
2024-04-10 01:46:45	mefistofeles	that's weird, since I don't see /usr/lib/perl5/x86_64-linux-thread-multi in the list of files owned by imagemagick
2024-04-10 01:46:52	mefistofeles	LimeOn: are you sure you are on arch?
2024-04-10 01:46:56	LimeOn	lol
2024-04-10 01:47:29	mefistofeles	oh nvm
2024-04-10 01:47:31	mefistofeles	it is there
2024-04-10 01:47:44	mefistofeles	I just have an outdated pkg hmm
2024-04-10 01:47:48	LimeOn	hehe
2024-04-10 01:48:05	LimeOn	the only package i have outdated seems unrelated to this one(stardict)
2024-04-10 01:48:40	LimeOn	which i will update in case the mantainer answers me about my issue w that package
2024-04-10 01:49:02	tirnanog	greentail: there is a long-standing convention whereby, if a shell is launched with a zeroeth argument that begins with a hypen, the shell shall be invoked as a login shell. login(1) does this, for instance.
2024-04-10 01:49:44	tirnanog	greentail: as for why it's -sh, perhaps you have /bin/sh defined as your login shell (in /etc/passwd).
2024-04-10 01:49:55	LimeOn	https://forum.manjaro.org/t/what-to-do-about-warning-messages-about-packages-not-being-used-by-the-installed-perl-interpreter/75765 --> Reading this, and running 'sudo pacman -Rsn imagemagick' shows something that may explain whats happening, althought i am not sure checking dependencies...
2024-04-10 01:49:55	LimeOn	error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
2024-04-10 01:49:55	LimeOn	:: removing imagemagick breaks dependency 'imagemagick' required by playonlinux
2024-04-10 01:49:55	LimeOn	:: removing imagemagick breaks dependency 'imagemagick' required by zbar
2024-04-10 01:49:55	LimeOn	'
2024-04-10 01:49:55	phrik	Title: What to do about warning messages about packages not being used by the installed Perl interpreter - Support - Manjaro Linux Forum (at forum.manjaro.org)
2024-04-10 01:50:31	mefistofeles	LimeOn: yeah, you don't want to remove imagemagick
2024-04-10 01:50:35	LimeOn	zbar is an official package, playonlinux is on AUR, but have not seem to be updated
2024-04-10 01:50:49	LimeOn	yeah its an usefult thing :D
2024-04-10 01:51:26	mefistofeles	LimeOn: I think that warning is OK, but I wondering if the imagemagick package should be the one shipping that perl thing, maybe there's a good reason why that's the case
2024-04-10 01:51:30	gromit	Yeah the perl thing with imagemagick has been noticed by another maintainer aswell
2024-04-10 01:51:48	gromit	I think it is a bug, but idk
2024-04-10 01:52:22	LimeOn	then it is already noticed, that great :)
2024-04-10 01:53:01	LimeOn	since i'm already here: does somebody uses stardict? i get a coredump in the last version, after going to 'options' and 'close'
2024-04-10 01:53:21	LimeOn	Tried to contact upstream, no answer still
2024-04-10 01:54:42	LimeOn	I also wrote to mantainer an hour ago(mail)
2024-04-10 01:54:48	tirnanog	greentail: if you log in to a virtual console, login(1) will be used. sshd behaves similarly. so do display managers, up to a degree.
2024-04-10 01:55:54	tirnanog	greentail: the posix specification also mandates a few basic requirements for logging in, such as that the HOME and LOGNAME environment variables be set.
2024-04-10 01:57:36	tirnanog	greentail: both login and sshd have the task of looking up your login shell from your passed entry and invoking it. consider what happens when you use ssh to log in without specifying a command; you are effectively asking for an interactive login shell at that point.
2024-04-10 01:59:57	majuscule	i can't seem to use yaourt anymore after a recent update: package-query: error while loading shared libraries: libalpm.so.13: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. i've tried manually rebuilding the package from source, but no change. yay is still functional. how might i be able to fix this?
2024-04-10 02:00:58	majuscule	i noticed that yay is linked to libalpm.so.14
2024-04-10 02:01:29	MacGyver	majuscule: yaourt has been deprecated for a long time.
2024-04-10 02:01:38	MacGyver	majuscule: I'm surprised you're only hitting an issue *now*.
2024-04-10 02:01:46	Scimmia	You rebuild aur packages that are linked to the old lib, like always
2024-04-10 02:01:58	MacGyver	majuscule: Rebuild your aur packages and switch to a different helper.
2024-04-10 02:02:11	gromit	LimeOn: I've posted the issue here: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/imagemagick/-/issues/2
2024-04-10 02:02:12	phrik	Title: imagemagick 7.1.1.30-1 ships perl5 file (#2) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / imagemagick · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-10 02:02:21	majuscule	i ran yay --rebuildall, it had no effect
2024-04-10 02:02:25	LimeOn	thank you gromit
2024-04-10 02:02:26	majuscule	i'll take a look at paru
2024-04-10 02:02:44	gromit	LimeOn: please dont just mail bugs to maintainers, that scales badly .. Rather open a bug on the bugtracker ^_^
2024-04-10 02:03:02	tirnanog	greentail: while this focuses on shell dotfile handling, you'll probably find it interesting: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/DotFiles
2024-04-10 02:03:06	phrik	Title: DotFiles - Greg's Wiki (at mywiki.wooledge.org)
2024-04-10 02:03:11	majuscule	paru gives the same error, ugh
2024-04-10 02:03:17	majuscule	will try to rebuild from source
2024-04-10 02:03:30	LimeOn	i have to make an archlinux account, which requires SSO, even if i try to use my github account gromit
2024-04-10 02:03:51	LimeOn	since the bugtracker has moved into gitlab
2024-04-10 02:04:10	gromit	LimeOn: yeah that is expected, SSO via github only works for existing accounts 
2024-04-10 02:04:15	MacGyver	majuscule: "From source" meaning you can just do the AUR build process for paru manually using git and makepkg.
2024-04-10 02:04:30	gromit	LimeOn: if you want an account just send us a mail to the accountsupport helpdesk and you'll get one speedily
2024-04-10 02:04:46	MacGyver	majuscule: But if yay is working, can't you just get yay to explicitly build paru for you?
2024-04-10 02:04:52	LimeOn	i did that, the answer was really fast gromit :)
2024-04-10 02:05:02	LimeOn	althought i never completed the SSO step
2024-04-10 02:05:07	MacGyver	majuscule: AUR (helpers) are unsupported here, but *surely* there's a --force-build or somesuch?
2024-04-10 02:05:10	noobaroo	tirnanog I have converted some 5.1 audio to opus which doesn't support the original layout 5.1(side), so I'm looking in audacity and its great how it shows each channel but it doesn't label which is which
2024-04-10 02:05:19	gromit	LimeOn: ah so you already have an account? :D
2024-04-10 02:05:26	noobaroo	Do you know how to turn on labels so I can see which is front, left, center, etc
2024-04-10 02:05:26	tirnanog	greentail: wherever it might be contextually relevant, I don't see why not. wooledge material is of high quality.
2024-04-10 02:06:54	tirnanog	noobaroo: no idea, sorry. my needs have never extended beyond boring old stereo.
2024-04-10 02:07:12	aljustiet	rcf: I'll use the palmixer then.
2024-04-10 02:07:43	tirnanog	greentail: he set it up. it runs on systems that are under his control. it lives and dies by his hand.
2024-04-10 02:08:12	tirnanog	greentail: outside of the BashGuide portion, he's probably also the most prolific author of its content.
2024-04-10 02:08:25	tirnanog	greentail: the BashGuide was mainly written by someone known as lhunath originally.
2024-04-10 02:10:09	LimeOn	it is automatically deleted if you do not finish the step, so the account has been deleted gromit
2024-04-10 02:10:40	tirnanog	greentail: he's just a guy. anyone who has hung around #bash or reads the mailing lists will know him.
2024-04-10 02:11:19	LimeOn	singin-in with github didnt worked either
2024-04-10 02:12:20	tirnanog	greentail: I don't know. in that scene, we're not really impressed by job descriptions and such.
2024-04-10 02:12:33	tirnanog	greentail: you're judged based on what you say and what you know.
2024-04-10 02:12:49	majuscule	MacGyver: yay does have that flag, but it was still not working. nor was yay able to install paru without the same issue. i just uninstalled and compiled/installed from source, and paru is now functional. running a full aur rebuild now, so hopefully nothing else breaks.
2024-04-10 02:20:38	gromit	greentail: just do the update or dont do the update?
2024-04-10 02:20:47	gromit	Anything else is not supported ;) 
2024-04-10 02:20:49	gromit	!partial
2024-04-10 02:20:50	phrik	https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/System_maintenance#Partial_upgrades_are_unsupported -- For how to fix, see: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/General_troubleshooting#Fixing_a_broken_system
2024-04-10 02:21:18	LimeOn	delay the update a few hours, or do the update now and re-update in a few hours
2024-04-10 03:13:11	illuminated	looks like imagemagick or whatever was flagged
2024-04-10 03:13:34	illuminated	cuz I did a pacman -Syu and it said that the perl module wasn't going to use the updated package
2024-04-10 03:13:55	illuminated	saw some discussion about it earlier
2024-04-10 03:14:01	illuminated	didn't read the whole discussion
2024-04-10 03:15:21	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - imagemagick 7.1.1.30-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-10 03:16:48	illuminated	https://paste.centos.org/view/57442e63
2024-04-10 03:16:49	phrik	Title: Untitled - Pastebin Service (at paste.centos.org)
2024-04-10 03:18:16	illuminated	that was the last lines of my pacman -Syu and the corresponding command it told me to run to see which packages weren't going to be used
2024-04-10 03:20:26	illuminated	so idk
2024-04-10 03:20:31	illuminated	something flagged it
2024-04-10 03:20:34	illuminated	I didn't 
2024-04-10 03:21:44	illuminated	https://0x0.st/Xi7J.txt
2024-04-10 03:22:34	illuminated	yeah just a sec
2024-04-10 03:23:43	illuminated	https://paste.centos.org/view/6daa598b
2024-04-10 03:23:45	phrik	Title: Untitled - Pastebin Service (at paste.centos.org)
2024-04-10 03:23:57	rcf	Psi-Jack: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/imagemagick/-/issues/2
2024-04-10 03:23:58	phrik	Title: imagemagick 7.1.1.30-1 ships perl5 file (#2) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / imagemagick · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-10 03:24:53	illuminated	anyway this is my second week using arch so I'm not going to be any help
2024-04-10 03:27:33	Scimmia	they have jobs, this is a hobby
2024-04-10 03:27:37	mefistofeles	greentail: easy, they are homeless
2024-04-10 03:27:39	mefistofeles	:P
2024-04-10 03:29:30	illuminated	well, at least i'm not the only person to notice this
2024-04-10 03:35:19	Scimmia	greentail: looks like it
2024-04-10 03:35:26	Scimmia	I wonder if https://github.com/ImageMagick/ImageMagick/commit/2d5edb26e22dd34ac1e43936b5c461bf0dbdb03a is the fix
2024-04-10 03:36:14	mefistofeles	Scimmia: oh, that makes a lot of sense, actually
2024-04-10 03:40:46	phrik	Title: compiling - What are .in files? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2024-04-10 03:45:48	Scimmia	hmm, I wonder if that's actually what broke it. That was just adding it to another one. https://github.com/ImageMagick/ImageMagick/commit/c09d35f22090585a0357ecfbd58786022a37aae7
2024-04-10 03:46:25	Scimmia	that unixSE post is completely wrong, greentail
2024-04-10 04:09:02	rcf	greentail: that answer itself has a comment that refutes this notion. 
2024-04-10 04:14:19	rcf	The following answer is much better. Almost all of the .in files I've written have nothing to do with autotools, for that matter. It's just a generic convention. 
2024-04-10 04:15:22	phrik	Title: automake (at www.gnu.org)
2024-04-10 04:16:03	rcf	You will note that this is not Makefile.in. 
2024-04-10 04:17:06	illuminated	while not necessarily an arch question, are there any advantages of using snaps/flatpaks over the aur?
2024-04-10 04:17:16	illuminated	well, I guess it is an arch question
2024-04-10 04:17:20	rcf	illuminated: you don't have to build them yourself. 
2024-04-10 04:35:36	mefistofeles	yeah, why would the FS matter specifically there?
2024-04-10 04:35:36	rcf	mefistofeles: yes. You can get lucky and install something and it's just the program. But as was stated you still end up with at least one extra distro's worth of stuff to get started. 
2024-04-10 04:35:47	mefistofeles	rcf: yeah, I see
2024-04-10 04:36:19	rcf	If you're not careful, you end up with orphan runtimes as well. 
2024-04-10 04:36:58	rcf	So you have to regularly prune things just to be sure. It's another package manager to deal with. 
2024-04-10 04:37:06	mefistofeles	yeah hmm
2024-04-10 04:37:20	mefistofeles	add snaps and nix
2024-04-10 04:37:22	mefistofeles	and guix
2024-04-10 04:37:24	mefistofeles	:P
2024-04-10 05:09:38	novns	rcf, we cannot see the starts already due to light pollution
2024-04-10 05:09:43	novns	*stars
2024-04-10 05:12:31	novns	I miss the 90s when the economy was bad and the street lights never came on
2024-04-10 05:13:11	novns	we could see the milky way at nights
2024-04-10 05:16:23	edu4rdshl	Just search in google and you can see it
2024-04-10 05:16:31	edu4rdshl	Even at day
2024-04-10 05:17:16	mefistofeles	this one is going to be one of those that stays there for a while https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/intel/-/issues/4917 
2024-04-10 05:17:19	phrik	Title: Possible regression with kernel version 5.15.x using "global atomics" (#4917) · Issues · drm / intel · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2024-04-10 05:18:39	mefistofeles	oh sorry, I promise I'll never do that again
2024-04-10 05:21:18	mefistofeles	not entirely sure, but I hope so
2024-04-10 05:22:59	novns	edu4rdshl, some smartphones are faking photos of the Moon, btw
2024-04-10 05:23:58	mefistofeles	it also doesn't give it justive to be fair, seems like edu4rdshl has never seen the milky way with their own eyes
2024-04-10 05:24:03	mefistofeles	justice*
2024-04-10 05:31:06	rcf	greentail: for some definition of 'maintained'. 
2024-04-10 05:31:44	rcf	If you want it to be fixed, you have to do it yourself. Maybe.
2024-04-10 05:32:28	mefistofeles	I see at least one intel employee being somewhat active there
2024-04-10 05:32:32	mefistofeles	in the repo
2024-04-10 05:49:44	kode54	btw
2024-04-10 05:49:50	kode54	the swappiness thing
2024-04-10 05:50:01	kode54	my setup wasn't paging things out to use as cache/buffers
2024-04-10 05:50:17	kode54	it was explicitly leaving 48GiB of RAM totally free
2024-04-10 05:50:20	[-_-]	Hi
2024-04-10 05:50:23	[-_-]	vokoscreen on wayland says please install "gstreamer-plugin-pipewire"
2024-04-10 05:50:28	[-_-]	https://img.tedomum.net/data/2024-04-10_09-46-4c2c25.png
2024-04-10 05:50:40	kode54	[-_-]: so install it
2024-04-10 05:50:43	[-_-]	is that same as gst-plugin-pipewire
2024-04-10 05:50:50	[-_-]	I installed that
2024-04-10 05:51:17	kode54	you probably need to `systemctl --user restart pipewire pipewire-pulse wireplumber`
2024-04-10 05:51:35	[-_-]	I rebooted the system
2024-04-10 05:51:39	kode54	oh, huh
2024-04-10 05:53:58	edu4rdshl	[-_-], see the optional dependencie
2024-04-10 05:54:00	edu4rdshl	[-_-], see the optional dependencies
2024-04-10 05:55:38	[-_-]	I have those
2024-04-10 05:56:08	edu4rdshl	I just installed vokoscreen and it opened fine
2024-04-10 05:57:20	[-_-]	you are on wayland?
2024-04-10 05:57:23	[-_-]	or x11 ?
2024-04-10 05:57:37	edu4rdshl	Wayland
2024-04-10 05:57:54	[-_-]	which compositor?
2024-04-10 05:58:00	edu4rdshl	 Mutter
2024-04-10 05:58:18	mefistofeles	[-_-]: it must be another consequence of your weird system config :/ I remember you have a very non-standard system setup/install
2024-04-10 05:58:25	mefistofeles	s/must/could
2024-04-10 05:59:27	[-_-]	nothing weird about it really, except sway
2024-04-10 06:00:14	edu4rdshl	What if you run it from the terminal or are you already doing that?
2024-04-10 06:00:29	mefistofeles	[-_-]: didn't you copied the filesystem from another machine/install or something like that?
2024-04-10 06:00:32	mefistofeles	I can't remember now
2024-04-10 06:00:54	[-_-]	yeah, but that shouldn't affect this
2024-04-10 06:01:09	[-_-]	i mean this is not windows
2024-04-10 06:01:12	mefistofeles	well, you've had at least two other weird problems in the past
2024-04-10 06:01:12	[-_-]	tm
2024-04-10 06:01:14	mefistofeles	that I remember
2024-04-10 06:01:15	mefistofeles	but ok
2024-04-10 06:01:45	mefistofeles	just wanting to mention it just in case it can give hints
2024-04-10 06:05:28	[-_-]	https://paste.debian.net/plain/1313632
2024-04-10 06:05:41	[-_-]	log ^
2024-04-10 06:36:29	[-_-]	okay I took it to the devs https://github.com/vkohaupt/vokoscreenNG/issues/239
2024-04-10 06:36:49	[-_-]	i don't think there will be solns, since it works for some people
2024-04-10 06:38:28	rcf	There might be. Wayland is fun that way 
2024-04-10 06:47:25	edu4rdshl	"it works for some people" is really "it works for everyone except a few"
2024-04-10 06:47:27	edu4rdshl	:p
2024-04-10 06:49:03	[-_-]	why this always happens to me
2024-04-10 06:51:05	[-_-]	I mean pipewire pipewire-pulse is working, I just finised watching a video
2024-04-10 06:51:33	[-_-]	vokoscreen can't even say what it is looking for and not getting
2024-04-10 06:51:53	[-_-]	have you guys configured pipewire, I have not, running default config
2024-04-10 06:55:51	mefistofeles	[-_-]: I run the default as well, it works
2024-04-10 06:58:27	edu4rdshl	I would try a different DE/WM and see
2024-04-10 07:05:23	red_man	hey ppls
2024-04-10 07:58:26	kode54	[-_-]: do you have the xdg-desktop-portal for your DE/WM?
2024-04-10 07:58:33	[-_-]	yeah
2024-04-10 07:58:39	kode54	hmm
2024-04-10 08:38:59	quazimodo	systemd(1) has a child process (not a service, just a child process) that is defunct. Is there a way to clear it without rebooting or restarting all the other children of systemd. I'd usually ignore it but I can't launch that program till any hint of it is gone from the process table
2024-04-10 08:42:21	red_man	hi all
2024-04-10 08:42:36	luna_	hi
2024-04-10 08:46:04	akik	quazimodo: dunno if this will help but you can try what happens: systemctl daemon-reexec
2024-04-10 08:46:39	akik	quazimodo: that's what systemd package updates run when systemd is updated
2024-04-10 08:49:14	akik	NetSysFire: what's your suggestion to him?
2024-04-10 08:50:18	post-factum	WARNING: '/usr/lib/perl5/x86_64-linux-thread-multi' contains data from at least 1 packages which will NOT be used by the installed perl interpreter.
2024-04-10 08:50:26	post-factum	what do i do with this?
2024-04-10 08:51:16	luna_	think perl got updated before some software that uses perl, said imagemagick for me
2024-04-10 08:53:20	post-factum	perl is untouched in repos
2024-04-10 08:53:31	post-factum	imagemagick was updated, yes
2024-04-10 08:57:29	post-factum	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/imagemagick/-/issues/2 aha
2024-04-10 08:57:30	phrik	Title: imagemagick 7.1.1.30-1 ships perl5 file (#2) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / imagemagick · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-10 08:59:32	Gnana	i unisntalled it 
2024-04-10 08:59:42	Gnana	when i seen the broken pkg
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2024-04-10 09:27:31	moaker	Well hello all
2024-04-10 09:28:03	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2024-04-10 09:28:08	archdemon	heh
2024-04-10 09:28:10	moaker	Lol
2024-04-10 09:28:16	SysGhost	!politewelcome
2024-04-10 09:28:18	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux - How can we help you?
2024-04-10 09:28:31	akik	haha
2024-04-10 09:28:33	SysGhost	we *can* be polite...
2024-04-10 09:28:42	moaker	http://www.github.com/projectmesa/mesa -- how would I install this?
2024-04-10 09:28:52	akik	bad timing regarding the free desktop snafu
2024-04-10 09:28:52	moaker	Indeed
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2024-04-10 09:29:39	jelle	moaker: hopefully from the AUR
2024-04-10 09:29:59	moaker	Sorry im **very** nes
2024-04-10 09:30:03	moaker	New*
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2024-04-10 09:30:18	jelle	otherwise, venv is an option
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2024-04-10 09:30:38	moaker	I've heard about AuR but thats about it.. ill google
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2024-04-10 09:30:44	AiO	gee.. tnx Windows11 upgrade for fscking up my EFI... question to any brilliant mind: When I boot up Arch install media i can mount me luks encrypted root and swap, and EFI, however mkinitcpio say it tries to write outside the partition. fsck claim that the partitiom is wonky. for example vmlinuz is corrupt. Trying to operate on the /efi result in ro-remount. Any good idea on how to repair it?
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2024-04-10 09:31:19	jelle	!give moaker aur
2024-04-10 09:31:20	phrik	moaker: The trash heap of Arch. Dig around enough and maybe you will find some gold.
2024-04-10 09:31:24	jelle	!give moaker aw aur
2024-04-10 09:31:25	phrik	moaker: Aur - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Aur
2024-04-10 09:31:26	[-_-]	guys, I have noticed arch's discord getting updates very often, flathub's discord don't get so many updates, this is sometimes annoying, just saying
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2024-04-10 09:31:40	jelle	[-_-]: what is annoying
2024-04-10 09:31:56	[-_-]	yes
2024-04-10 09:32:03	SysGhost	mesa project ... oh why do they choose such a name?
2024-04-10 09:32:10	jelle	NetSysFire: could be the lack of updates!
2024-04-10 09:32:10	[-_-]	like I updated arch 24 hours ago
2024-04-10 09:32:14	moaker	jelle: awesome tyvm sir
2024-04-10 09:32:15	jelle	moaker: seems it is here https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/python-mesa
2024-04-10 09:32:17	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - python-mesa (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-04-10 09:32:28	[-_-]	okay okay, lets keep it at that
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2024-04-10 09:33:23	SysGhost	NetSysFire: "Mesa is an open-source Python library for agent-based modeling, ideal for simulating complex systems and exploring emergent behaviors. "
2024-04-10 09:33:24	moaker	Yes I need to install glib mesa
2024-04-10 09:33:56	jelle	moaker: glib mesa?
2024-04-10 09:33:57	quazimodo	akik: no that didn't work
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2024-04-10 09:34:30	quazimodo	i think that maybe the process that's gone zombie lost it's parent & was attached to (1) by the kernel
2024-04-10 09:34:37	moaker	jelle .. so Sorry I need mako to install mesa to install hardware drivers, 
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2024-04-10 09:34:52	quazimodo	surprised that systemd doesn't have ahandler for SIGCHLD specifically so that we can rid ourselves of zombies
2024-04-10 09:34:52	SysGhost	moaker: that's a whole different mesa
2024-04-10 09:34:55	jelle	moaker: mesa, as in the graphics stack?
2024-04-10 09:34:57	AiO	and follow up question: can I have TWO EGI-partitions and achieve more isolation on a dual boot system, giving Win a the gift of messing with ITS EFI-partition, while having another EFI partition explicitly for Arch?
2024-04-10 09:35:00	jelle	moaker: we package mesa
2024-04-10 09:35:00	SysGhost	as I said. bad name
2024-04-10 09:35:16	AiO	s/EGI/EFI/
2024-04-10 09:35:38	moaker	you dont like my hardware but you could guess by my hostname
2024-04-10 09:35:51	moaker	I guess
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2024-04-10 09:36:02	moaker	Mb
2024-04-10 09:36:08	enoq	what does this mean? WARNING: '/usr/lib/perl5/x86_64-linux-thread-multi' contains data from at least 1 packages which will NOT be used by the installed perl interpreter.
2024-04-10 09:36:10	moaker	Ok ok bye
2024-04-10 09:36:11	enoq	 -> Run the following command to get a list of affected packages: pacman -Qqo '/usr/lib/perl5/x86_64-linux-thread-multi'
2024-04-10 09:36:16	enoq	package in question is imagemagick
2024-04-10 09:36:24	SysGhost	AiO: it works and that's how I do dual boot setups where needed. The bad thing about it is that Windows might see the wrong EFI system partition and start messing with that instead. Windows makes it a nightmare to manage.
2024-04-10 09:36:29	⚡ 	jelle facepalms
2024-04-10 09:36:44	archdemon	jelle: at least hes trying haha
2024-04-10 09:36:48	AiO	SysGhost: yeah :(
2024-04-10 09:37:18	moaker	NetSysFire: sorry it was my client 
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2024-04-10 09:38:00	archdemon	lul
2024-04-10 09:38:07	akik	AiO: i installed win11 on my laptop yesterday and it didn't fsck up the esp
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2024-04-10 09:38:11	jelle	NetSysFire: I only see one nick here :)
2024-04-10 09:38:14	moaker	Well it does autojoin channels I previously joined
2024-04-10 09:38:38	akik	AiO: it just changes the efi default boot entry but you can fix that with bcdedit in win
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2024-04-10 09:39:07	SysGhost	...or efibootmgr under linux
2024-04-10 09:41:12	akik	...yes
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2024-04-10 09:41:59	AiO	SysGhost: if I can safely repair the now broken EGI and continue as before. That would be better (for now).
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2024-04-10 09:42:28	AiO	bag EFI (Ubtouch keybord is not great)
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2024-04-10 09:43:31	AiO	SysGhost: I dont dare using Dell recovery tools tho. I suspect that will damage the system severely
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2024-04-10 09:44:04	SysGhost	Damage might not be the riht word,. More likely a "destructive restoration"
2024-04-10 09:44:12	AiO	Is fsck enough? Or will it fuck things up too?
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2024-04-10 09:44:22	AiO	SysGhost: hehe
2024-04-10 09:44:34	AiO	bbl. work...
2024-04-10 09:45:27	SysGhost	(╯°□°)╯︵ǝɹıℲsʎSʇǝN
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2024-04-10 10:11:38	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-10 09:56:59	SysGhost	Netノ( ゜-゜ノ)   Sysノ( ゜-゜ノ)   Fireノ( ゜-゜ノ)
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2024-04-10 10:36:57	bobownie	hi guys i deleted amd-ucode package thinking that if i have and intel cpu it wont cause any issues but now when i try to boot it complains that there is no /boot/amd-ucode.iso or smth like that
2024-04-10 10:37:03	bobownie	i found that i just need to reinstall it from a live iso(https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=272312) but due to having full disk encryption when i try to mount my root partition it just says that it cant detect crypt_luks filesystem
2024-04-10 10:37:04	phrik	Title: Unable to boot after removing package intel-ucode / Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-10 10:48:29	AiO	akik: even the corruption of partition content?
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2024-04-10 11:12:16	rcf	bobownie: if it's still referenced in your bootloader configuration you'll have problems. 
2024-04-10 11:16:23	akik	AiO: even what? nothing bad happened to the esp. windows just wrote what it needed to write there
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2024-04-10 11:34:15	enoq	any idea about that perl warning?
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2024-04-10 11:39:08	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-10 11:36:35	AiO	akik: it corrupted (at least at a dryrun with fsck) the partition boundries. backup and current mismatch... and vmlinuz seems to point to space outside of the partition, suddenly.
2024-04-10 11:37:05	AiO	s/at least/at least accotding to/
2024-04-10 11:38:12	akik	AiO: windows install modified your partition table ?
2024-04-10 11:38:26	akik	AiO: for the esp
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2024-04-10 11:48:41	idontknowu	anyone can advise on how to make sure Intel ARC dGPU is shut off on hybrid graphics laptop intel XE + ARC?
2024-04-10 11:50:13	Khorne	turn it off in firmware setup
2024-04-10 11:52:12	idontknowu	do you mean bios?
2024-04-10 11:56:31	Khorne	I mean if your computer is from 15 years ago, then yea I mean BIOS but then I doubt it runs Intel Xe and Arc
2024-04-10 11:57:30	idontknowu	it doesnt have hybrid graphics settings in the setup
2024-04-10 11:59:31	Khorne	Then you likely can't disable it
2024-04-10 11:59:46	idontknowu	in the past with intel+nvidia dGPU just whitelisting nouveau module would essentially disable nvidia
2024-04-10 12:00:09	idontknowu	in terms of power usage
2024-04-10 12:00:23	idontknowu	sorry blacklisting*
2024-04-10 12:00:54	Khorne	If the dGPU and the iGPU use the same module that won't work
2024-04-10 12:01:07	Khorne	Maybe acpi_call can do it
2024-04-10 12:01:30	idontknowu	yes, they do use the same xe and i915 modules, acpi_call failed
2024-04-10 12:01:41	Khorne	11:59       Khorne │ Then you likely can't disable it
2024-04-10 12:02:11	idontknowu	kind of doesn't make sense to have 20w idle
2024-04-10 12:02:27	gog	if it's anything like my computer, you can't shut it off. the internal display is connected to the iGPU and only explicitly offloaded tasks will be rendered in the dGPU but copied into the framebuffer of the iGPU
2024-04-10 12:02:51	Khorne	They want to turn the dGPU off
2024-04-10 12:02:56	gog	ohhh
2024-04-10 12:03:00	gog	sorry i misunderstood
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2024-04-10 12:28:36	AiO	akik: it looks like from where im standing. i think i recall a time when it renumbered them as well..?
2024-04-10 12:28:40	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-10 12:29:25	AiO	... the partitions that is. or if it was UUID it changed
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2024-04-10 12:30:20	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-10 12:30:17	akik	AiO: the uuid would change if the esp was mkfs/formatted anew
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2024-04-10 12:31:11	AiO	akik: mm. but this time is different. never saw it fiddle with the partition this way before... 
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2024-04-10 12:36:39	tonitch	Hello, I have a really weird problem... I have a gpd pocket 3 laptop with a touchscreen that I can use with my finger or a stylus... Sometimes (quite often) the screen get stuck in a weird mode where the line is continous on my drawing application (rnote). I can't use my finger anymore, only the stylus is responsive but not in a proper way... Today I tried to find why this happen and here are my
2024-04-10 12:36:41	tonitch	obeservation so far if anyone know what could be happening... I can get rid of the problem by restarting the computer but its a pain... Basicly when I'm stuck into this weird mode and I try to type stuff on my terminal (st) If I use the backspace key, whole word are deleted. This is something that can happen when the shift key is pressed. But if the shift key was pressed I should be habble to
2024-04-10 12:36:43	tonitch	scroll using my mouse but it's not the case... also my letters should be uppercase and it's not the case either... I looks like some kind of shift key is pressed by some input device but I can't see which one. I tried to find it using xev but it only gives changes and I can't record already pressed key afaik so this is a dead end...
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2024-04-10 12:44:54	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-10 12:49:55	tonitch	I have a strange item in xinput: Virtual core XTEST pointer/keyboard is this normal ?
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2024-04-10 12:50:58	mkoskar	tonitch: it is
2024-04-10 12:51:06	astralc	it is normal
2024-04-10 12:51:18	tonitch	that's one less thing to worry about then ^^
2024-04-10 12:51:27	astralc	because you technically have only one pointer and keyboard on screen
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2024-04-10 12:52:31	mkoskar	tonitch: I assume, if you were to unload XTEST extension those would disappear
2024-04-10 12:52:33	tonitch	mhhh... is there a way to see currently pressed key of a keyboard input ? 
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2024-04-10 12:53:09	astralc	tonitch: xev
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2024-04-10 12:53:33	teraflops	and wev for wayland
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2024-04-10 12:53:45	tonitch	but xev seems to only listen to even. I can't "fire" the event as I don't know what it is ^^
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2024-04-10 12:54:00	tonitch	teraflops: thanks i'm on x11 tho
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2024-04-10 12:54:52	tonitch	https://paste.rs/3ybA6
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2024-04-10 12:56:51	tonitch	mingdao: I might alias that :))
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2024-04-10 13:01:56	tonitch	of course x)
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2024-04-10 13:05:09	tonitch	xevn't
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2024-04-10 13:09:52	tonitch	Welp, it happened again and I didn't captured it... I just have a random shift key pressed from a random keyboard and I can't figure which one or why
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2024-04-10 13:14:25	carpenter	is it possible to chroot to an encrypted volume (if you know the password ofc) ?
2024-04-10 13:14:27	tonitch	welp, I never suspected the problem could be a pointer but here we are... So basicly my touchscreen has id 15 I did a `xinput disable 15` then `xinput enable 15` and it solved
2024-04-10 13:15:01	tonitch	carpenter: did you use lukscrypt ? 
2024-04-10 13:15:56	ungeskriptet	Hi all, I'm having problems with headless RDP on GNOME again. When connecting over RDP the screen is just gray instead of showing the GDM login screen. These are the logs I get https://b.catgirlsare.sexy/NgB-GLBr4bg6.txt
2024-04-10 13:16:36	carpenter	tonitch, yes
2024-04-10 13:17:11	tonitch	then you can decrypt it and then mount it and then chroot it I suppose ? which part is a problem for you ? 
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2024-04-10 13:17:59	carpenter	have you ever done that?
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2024-04-10 13:18:12	tonitch	long time ago, I did yes
2024-04-10 13:18:34	carpenter	ok so at least I know it's possible
2024-04-10 13:19:13	cake37	carpenter: just open it with cryptsetup then mount it
2024-04-10 13:20:25	tonitch	if I remember correctly (and by a quick fly on the wiki page) you have to `cryptsetup open /dev/sdxX some_name` then mount it with `mount /dev/mapper/some_name /mnt` then you can chroot with `chroot /mnt` 
2024-04-10 13:20:33	tonitch	(if /mnt exist obv)
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2024-04-10 13:54:12	fossdd	hey, is there a plan to package redict (the FOSS redis fork) to the official repos?
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2024-04-10 14:07:57	Metroid	but a package manager isnt human
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2024-04-10 14:08:14	rcf	pacman might not, but maybe the version of apt or dnf on arch might do it 
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2024-04-10 14:09:02	⚡ 	Metroid hands NetSysFire a cookie
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2024-04-10 14:10:07	Metroid	physical violence is against my CoC, please leave NetSysFire 
2024-04-10 14:10:21	Metroid	and return the cookie
2024-04-10 14:10:22	Metroid	;P
2024-04-10 14:10:51	rcf	Code of Cookies 
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2024-04-10 15:38:40	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-10 14:52:42	susi	Code of Conquest
2024-04-10 14:54:48	akik	so bad choice for a name
2024-04-10 14:55:17	akik	maybe they were drunk when choosing it
2024-04-10 14:57:32	astralc	https://github.com/neoclide/coc.nvim ?
2024-04-10 15:26:20	AiO	akik: i gambled. and just recue-booted arch, configured network and pacman -S linux to overwrite the 2048 bytes large (wonky) one... and "it just worked". so... for some reason Windows Update managed to break that file. all good now. i hope. no clue why this happened in the first place. M$ did... "something" 
2024-04-10 15:26:56	akik	AiO: which file?
2024-04-10 15:27:10	AiO	akik: vmlinuz-linux
2024-04-10 15:27:27	akik	well that's interesting :)
2024-04-10 15:27:42	AiO	indeed.... as i would say "swedish interesting" :D
2024-04-10 15:27:50	akik	i'm finnish :)
2024-04-10 15:27:59	AiO	ah. same idea about "interesting" then :D
2024-04-10 15:30:38	AiO	i mean... what i did felt no different than i usually do: i cold-booted Arch, worked with it for a while, did a reboot and choose the Windows boot-manager entry, did an Search for upgrades in Win11, it did as ususal (take a long time) then i clicked reboot, and i noticed it went directly into Windows Boot again - since the first UEFI-entry (arch) apparently failed.
2024-04-10 15:30:57	AiO	anyhows... looks like I'm back on track. have not booted Win again tho :D
2024-04-10 15:31:10	AiO	maybe i borked that one instead now :D
2024-04-10 15:38:26	gog	it hasn't happened to me in awhile, but if Windows updates bootmgfw.efi it can also alter the BootOrder settings
2024-04-10 15:38:34	gog	and override whatever you have set up for Arch
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2024-04-10 15:41:45	Khorne	That sounds more like your update failed in the first place..
2024-04-10 15:41:55	AiO	wasn't that. it literary BROKE vmlinuz-linux 
2024-04-10 15:41:59	AiO	never seen it before
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2024-04-10 15:42:18	AiO	update was successfull
2024-04-10 15:42:22	Khorne	Still sounds more like your previous linux update failed to write the file properly
2024-04-10 15:42:45	gog	VFAT isn't the most reliable filesystem either
2024-04-10 15:42:47	AiO	nope.. i never upgraded it after the reboot into Windows
2024-04-10 15:42:54	Khorne	Before :)
2024-04-10 15:42:57	AiO	before
2024-04-10 15:42:59	AiO	sory :D
2024-04-10 15:43:03	Khorne	Never?
2024-04-10 15:43:06	AiO	sure
2024-04-10 15:43:11	AiO	but i cold-booted the machine
2024-04-10 15:43:14	AiO	into Arch
2024-04-10 15:43:18	AiO	checked my mail
2024-04-10 15:43:24	AiO	rebooted into Windows
2024-04-10 15:43:28	AiO	made Windows Upgrade
2024-04-10 15:43:38	AiO	bam.... vmlinuz-linux borked
2024-04-10 15:43:46	Khorne	I think it also broke your return key in the process.
2024-04-10 15:43:57	AiO	:D
2024-04-10 15:44:16	NoImNotNineVolt	cold blooded.
2024-04-10 15:44:28	AiO	indeed
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2024-04-10 15:57:21	illuminated	no his return key was working fine lol
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2024-04-10 16:39:08	akik	AiO: how do you know vmlinuz broke and that windows didn't change the uefi boot order?
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2024-04-10 17:54:09	Guest52	anyone here using Arch as their WSL distribution on Windows?
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2024-04-10 17:59:48	edu4rdshl	Arch doesn't have WSL support afaik
2024-04-10 18:00:12	gog	you can do it but it's not straightforward
2024-04-10 18:00:24	gog	https://github.com/yuk7/ArchWSL
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2024-04-10 18:02:30	edu4rdshl	Well, that's not ArchLinux 
2024-04-10 18:04:17	mefistofeles	don't upset the purists!
2024-04-10 18:04:25	gog	¯\_(ツ)_/¯  
2024-04-10 18:04:38	gog	i reject the concept of purity
2024-04-10 18:05:15	mefistofeles	gog: but yeah, we cannot give any good support for non-arch distributions
2024-04-10 18:05:21	mefistofeles	good luck with that
2024-04-10 18:05:28	gog	true
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2024-04-10 18:05:44	gog	YMMV, GLHF
2024-04-10 18:05:52	AiO	akik: got the dell small click in the speakers my lappy makes when it fails to load a boot entry, then it fell through to the windows boot mgr... and when i tried to boot arch (by explicitly choosing it in the UEFI boot menu) it failed again and windows booted again :)
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2024-04-10 18:18:16	dumbledoor	anyone of you who uses Zeal, can you confirm if the file /usr/bin/qtwebengine_dictionaries or /usr/lib/qt6/qtwebengine_dictionaries exists on your machine
2024-04-10 18:18:22	Sid127	is there a way I can use makepkg if I'm using an arch linux bootstrap image as a base for a chroot for another distro?
2024-04-10 18:18:33	Sid127	chroot on*
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2024-04-10 18:19:13	Namarrgon	Sure, why not?
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2024-04-10 18:19:53	Sid127	well, how then .-.
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2024-04-10 18:20:08	Namarrgon	What problem are you encountering?
2024-04-10 18:21:09	Sid127	we don't do --asroot anymore, and if I log into the chroot with my user and try to use sudo, it fails with `user is not in the sudoers file` despite the user being added to the wheel group and the wheel group being enabled in sudoers
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2024-04-10 18:21:33	Namarrgon	you can't run makepkg as root either way
2024-04-10 18:21:43	Sid127	correct, which is why I tried as my user
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2024-04-10 18:22:00	Sid127	and yes, I did useradd inside the chroot and set up the user password in it as well
2024-04-10 18:22:29	Namarrgon	you used "sudo -i"?
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2024-04-10 18:22:58	Sid127	no, just a regular sudo pacman -Q to test it out
2024-04-10 18:23:15	Sid127	but since makepkg invoked sudo as well, I imagine it will run into the same issue
2024-04-10 18:23:36	Sid127	invokes*
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2024-04-10 18:26:43	Namarrgon	Sid127: i mean when you dropped from root to the user
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2024-04-10 18:27:04	Sid127	..no, because I can chroot --userspec=user:user
2024-04-10 18:27:47	Sid127	which is what I do to log into the chroot as my user
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2024-04-10 18:28:31	Sid127	okay, I ran strace on sudo, and here's what I get: write(2, "effective uid is not 0, is /bin/"..., 128effective uid is not 0, is /bin/sudo on a file system with the 'nosuid' option set or an NFS file system without root privileges) = 128
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2024-04-10 18:40:12	Namarrgon	Sid127: Is the chroot on a nosuid-mounted fs?
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2024-04-10 18:47:44	Sid127	no
2024-04-10 18:47:53	Sid127	Namarrgon: it's on a regular btrfs root
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2024-04-10 18:54:01	Namarrgon	Sid127: I just tried it with wheel-sudo and chroot-userspec and makepkg works fine in both cases.
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2024-04-10 18:54:37	Namarrgon	what does 'id' return for that user?
2024-04-10 18:54:55	samjiman	Hi, all. I installed virt-manager via pacman, but it only gives me the option to create LXC containers and not QEMU/KVM virtual machines. I have installed qemu-full
2024-04-10 18:55:04	samjiman	Any ideas what else I need to install?
2024-04-10 18:55:06	Sid127	strange
2024-04-10 18:55:06	samjiman	Thanks
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2024-04-10 18:59:06	Sid127	Namarrgon: uid=1000(sidpr) gid=1000(sidpr) groups=1000(sidpr),0(root)
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2024-04-10 18:59:27	astralc	samjiman: did you start libvirtd service?
2024-04-10 18:59:32	samjiman	Yes
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2024-04-10 19:02:02	Namarrgon	Sid127: How did you modify the sudo config for 'wheel'?
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2024-04-10 19:02:43	Namarrgon	And how did you add the user to the 'wheel' group?
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2024-04-10 19:02:45	Sid127	visudo
2024-04-10 19:02:51	Sid127	usermod -a -G wheel sidpr
2024-04-10 19:03:27	Namarrgon	"grep wheel /etc/group"
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2024-04-10 19:26:30	astralc	samjiman: try "add connection" from the menu
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2024-04-10 19:41:43	Sid127	Namarrgon: sorted, for some reason chroot userspec wasn't setting the groups correctly
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2024-04-10 19:42:58	zullu	hi
2024-04-10 19:43:07	mpan	zullu: hello!
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2024-04-10 20:21:24	derSpasm	!give zullu welcomerpg
2024-04-10 20:21:25	phrik	zullu: Greetings, observer of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get borked today?
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2024-04-10 20:53:19	mefistofeles	what helper are people using for AUR these days?
2024-04-10 20:54:06	akik	yay
2024-04-10 20:54:37	Eisenhans	mefistofeles: some would argue that they are as evil as they have always been, but that would not be an answer to your question :X
2024-04-10 20:54:38	louipc	not a fan of it
2024-04-10 20:54:51	mefistofeles	Eisenhans: I'm fully aware of that, yes :P
2024-04-10 20:54:58	louipc	whos evil
2024-04-10 20:55:04	mefistofeles	!evil
2024-04-10 20:55:04	phrik	Be wary, the ops are evil.
2024-04-10 20:55:15	gehidore	the worst those folks are
2024-04-10 20:55:23	louipc	mephisto
2024-04-10 20:55:26	louipc	evil
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2024-04-10 20:57:34	alad	the worst assholes you'll meet in a lifetime
2024-04-10 20:57:46	BrainDamage	there's essentiallly 2 types of workflows, one is repo-based, which only aurutils supports to my knowledge, and guided-through-pacman -U, which is alll the others
2024-04-10 20:57:46	alad	the ghosts visiting a graveyard are more friendly than the ops
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2024-04-10 21:00:09	akik	still banned from #linux for 1.5 months lol
2024-04-10 21:00:39	Ingar	mefistofeles: I'm not using any AUR helper
2024-04-10 21:00:47	whoami	i'm using yay still. what's the advantage to aurutils?
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2024-04-10 21:01:05	whoami	i see it uses local repos, but why is that advantageous?
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2024-04-10 21:02:01	alad	see here https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1615428#p1615428
2024-04-10 21:02:03	phrik	Title: aurutils - helper tools for the aur / Community Contributions / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-10 21:03:01	mefistofeles	ok, thanks for the suggestions
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2024-04-10 21:05:22	alad	akik: this is not the place to talk about your bans
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2024-04-10 21:06:08	BrainDamage	one quite annoying issue with pacman -U workflows is that they don't manage well packages with versioned deps
2024-04-10 21:06:48	◣	aombk (~aombk@94.131.141.90) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-04-10 21:06:49	BrainDamage	because the package currently installed in your system will conflict with the set of packages you'll be attempting to build
2024-04-10 21:06:52	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [+o gehidore] by ChanServ
2024-04-10 21:07:28	alad	BrainDamage: isn't that specific issue handled by chroots, instead of local repos
2024-04-10 21:07:43	BrainDamage	chroot would also work, yes
2024-04-10 21:08:14	alad	like when I was building some nvidia stuff I'd have those issues regardless of using a local repo
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2024-04-10 21:10:46	akik	why are people so anal about ban talk?
2024-04-10 21:10:47	⚡ 	alad looks at gehidore
2024-04-10 21:10:51	⚡ 	alad winks at gehidore
2024-04-10 21:10:53	alad	!lenny
2024-04-10 21:10:54	phrik	( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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2024-04-10 21:11:35	alad	gehidore: kick akik
2024-04-10 21:11:38	alad	oh wait, you're not the bot
2024-04-10 21:11:51	akik	proves my point!
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2024-04-10 21:12:00	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [+b $a:akik] by gehidore
2024-04-10 21:12:07	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [+o alad] by ChanServ
2024-04-10 21:12:10	◣	alad has kicked akik (Kindergarten is elsewhere!)
2024-04-10 21:12:12	@alad	TEAM WORK!
2024-04-10 21:12:17	@gehidore	go team!
2024-04-10 21:12:23	@alad	\ : D /
2024-04-10 21:12:28	whoami	9
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2024-04-10 21:13:38	⚡ 	mpan bows.
2024-04-10 21:13:46	⚡ 	alad licks mpan
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2024-04-10 21:13:54	⚡ 	mpan is not salt.
2024-04-10 21:14:02	@alad	> : O
2024-04-10 21:14:12	Pikk3wyn	citation needed*
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2024-04-10 21:17:20	Earnestly	The main technical difference pacman -U and a repo is that replaces=() has no meaning with pacman -U
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2024-04-10 22:55:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-10 22:55:04	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1476 nicks (3 ops, 0 voiced, 1473 regular)
2024-04-10 22:55:04	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-10 23:08:50	samjiman	@teraflops: It's a onwership issue, because QEMU/KVM works for root. I think I have to add my user to libvirt-qemu
2024-04-10 23:10:23	astralc	libvirt group
2024-04-10 23:10:43	◥	B-| (~b-pipe@user/B-/x-9249737) has joined #archlinux
2024-04-10 23:11:23	samjiman	@astralc: Already addded myself to libvirt group
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2024-04-10 23:11:34	astralc	and relogined?
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2024-04-10 23:13:01	edu4rdshl	!@
2024-04-10 23:13:02	phrik	IRC is not Twitter – please do not use @name to address people. use name, or name: instead. Using @ also prevents you from tab-completing nicks in your IRC client.
2024-04-10 23:13:53	samjiman	Sorry, I'm not an IRC expert, I'll stop using @
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2024-04-10 23:14:50	samjiman	!@
2024-04-10 23:14:51	phrik	IRC is not Twitter – please do not use @name to address people. use name, or name: instead. Using @ also prevents you from tab-completing nicks in your IRC client.
2024-04-10 23:15:15	samjiman	astralc: You mean logged out and in again?
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2024-04-10 23:15:21	samjiman	I will try
2024-04-10 23:15:28	samjiman	Thanks for your help
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2024-04-11 09:11:39	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-11 09:11:39	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1443 nicks (2 ops, 0 voiced, 1441 regular)
2024-04-10 23:22:34	pancakez	Is setting the brightness for OLED screens supposed to work on linux? I have a new laptop, I can't find a working method to adjust the display brightness, and I'm finding lots of contradictory claims online
2024-04-10 23:24:21	pancakez	its a 2024 asus zephyreus g16
2024-04-10 23:26:21	sn0wtime	!paste
2024-04-10 23:26:21	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-10 23:47:30	kode54	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=294767 further continuing GNOME eliminating choices
2024-04-10 23:47:31	phrik	Title: No dark mode in Gnome / Applications & Desktop Environments / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-04-10 23:48:47	edu4rdshl	kode54, that's not true, stop spreading missinformation
2024-04-10 23:48:49	edu4rdshl	:)
2024-04-10 23:49:14	kevr	Why exactly is `autocutsel` not in official repositories; does it have some sort of licensing issue, or what?
2024-04-10 23:49:18	edu4rdshl	> I suppose that first issue is not connected with Gnome version, because I observe that problem since Gnome 42.
2024-04-10 23:49:29	edu4rdshl	That's an pebcak tbh
2024-04-10 23:49:41	kode54	fine, I'll delete my GTK config files
2024-04-10 23:50:40	edu4rdshl	I have been using dark theme without any issues since I remember
2024-04-10 23:50:50	edu4rdshl	Just dont do weird setups and everything is fine
2024-04-10 23:51:23	edu4rdshl	> After deleting them, the dark mode appears in every single app but with errors in window bar (no special buttons for minimizing or closing)
2024-04-10 23:51:48	edu4rdshl	I mean, that's the default, there are options in Gnome for activating these buttons too
2024-04-10 23:52:58	kode54	I see
2024-04-10 23:53:03	kode54	it only affects gtk 2 and 3
2024-04-10 23:53:14	kode54	gtk 4 / adwaita doesn't have working dark mode outside of GNOME
2024-04-10 23:53:31	kode54	guess I'll just delete all these adwaita using apps
2024-04-10 23:53:40	edu4rdshl	Apps built with libadwaita doesn't, yes
2024-04-10 23:53:47	kode54	screw that
2024-04-10 23:54:06	edu4rdshl	https://stopthemingmy.app/
2024-04-10 23:54:07	phrik	Title: Please don’t theme our apps (at stopthemingmy.app)
2024-04-10 23:54:30	edu4rdshl	And they do have dark mode outside of Gnome anyways
2024-04-10 23:54:39	edu4rdshl	They just don't support weird css files
2024-04-10 23:54:56	greyltc	any of you running a discrete Intel Arc GPU? mine's stuck at PCIe v1.0 speed and x1 lane. I'd be very curious to see the lspci of other folks with GPUs like mine
2024-04-10 23:55:22	gaku	I had to fiddle with gsettings and the like, plus set GTK_THEME=Adwaita:dark not so long ago
2024-04-10 23:56:03	edu4rdshl	gaku, don't do that. GTK_THEME=Adwaita:dark make them look ugly
2024-04-10 23:56:03	gaku	and yeah, give up on .css files, inflexible garbage by design
2024-04-10 23:56:36	greyltc	my `sudo lspci -vv -nn -qq -d 8086::0300`: https://bpa.st/raw/3OKA
2024-04-10 23:56:47	edu4rdshl	pacman -S gnome-themes-extra && gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface gtk-theme "Adwaita-dark"
2024-04-10 23:56:48	gaku	edu4rdshl: dunno wym by "ugly", that's how I got some things to ACTUALLY use the dark theme :\
2024-04-10 23:57:08	edu4rdshl	That's all you need to get these apps using a proper dark theme
2024-04-10 23:57:27	gaku	I'll try that then
2024-04-10 23:57:46	edu4rdshl	gaku, try doing what I said and then you'll notice that they will look different (in a nice way)
2024-04-10 23:58:22	gaku	edu4rdshl: I barely have GUI stuff tho :p
2024-04-10 23:58:27	gaku	perhaps chromium
2024-04-10 23:58:36	edu4rdshl	greyltc, how are you checking that it's using PCI v1?
2024-04-10 23:58:58	greyltc	results show `LnkSta:	Speed 2.5GT/s, Width x1`
2024-04-10 23:58:58	susi	edu4rdshl: I don't think you need gnome-themes-extra for Adwaita:dark
2024-04-10 23:59:06	greyltc	2.5GT/s is pcie v1.0
2024-04-10 23:59:13	edu4rdshl	susi, for legacy apps you do
2024-04-10 23:59:16	susi	I don't have gnome-themes-extra and dark adwaita ust Works
2024-04-10 23:59:41	susi	ah may be, I don't use that legacy gtk apps
2024-04-11 00:00:00	edu4rdshl	susi, install something like xfce4-terminal and try to open it (it will be blank)
2024-04-11 00:00:13	susi	I have installed it and it Just Worked
2024-04-11 00:00:32	susi	I tested something with it when someone had an issue
2024-04-11 00:00:55	edu4rdshl	And you don't have GTK_THEME set, right?
2024-04-11 00:01:08	susi	I have just gtk-theme Adwaita:dark
2024-04-11 00:01:19	susi	set with gsettings and in .gtkrcs
2024-04-11 00:01:44	susi	with ':', not dash
2024-04-11 00:02:03	Juest	um, anyone seeing a regression in rootless xorg?
2024-04-11 00:02:15	susi	what kind of regression?
2024-04-11 00:02:17	Juest	getting permission denied on tty/virtual console
2024-04-11 00:02:19	susi	but nope
2024-04-11 00:03:07	edu4rdshl	greyltc, and physically they are connected to?
2024-04-11 00:03:17	kode54	edu4rdshl: that's for distributions, not users
2024-04-11 00:03:45	kode54	I hate when all my apps look different from each other, regardless of if that's how the developer wants it to look
2024-04-11 00:03:51	greyltc	edu4rdshl: a motherboard slot that can do PCIe v3.0 with x16 lanes
2024-04-11 00:04:23	kode54	I want all my apps to match my WM's server side decorations
2024-04-11 00:04:23	Juest	sounds like its running at x1 speeds?
2024-04-11 00:04:53	greyltc	I'm really keen to know if there's a person in the world right now without a pci gimped Arc GPU running linux :-P
2024-04-11 00:05:03	edu4rdshl	greyltc, is not it some power saving feature by chance?
2024-04-11 00:05:16	greyltc	Nah, i've checked it while gaming
2024-04-11 00:05:52	edu4rdshl	No idea then, maybe someone here is using one of those - it's the first time I see them mentioned here tho -
2024-04-11 00:06:25	edu4rdshl	kode54, what "is for distributions, not users"?
2024-04-11 00:06:30	greyltc	also, `cat /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000\:45\:00.0/max_link_speed` gives 2.5 GT/s PCIe
2024-04-11 00:06:33	kode54	stop theming my app
2024-04-11 00:06:42	greyltc	and `cat /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000\:45\:00.0/max_link_width` gives 1
2024-04-11 00:07:08	greyltc	it seems to be capped
2024-04-11 00:07:46	edu4rdshl	kode54, the same philosophy applies: people go, do weird things in their system, then complain why their app doesn't look or even works correctly
2024-04-11 00:08:01	gaku	edu4rdshl: did it, can't quite tell the difference tho, but thx regardless
2024-04-11 00:08:07	kevr	what are some nice alternatives to `pa-applet` for a pulseaudio volume control applet?
2024-04-11 00:08:18	kevr	that can run without a DE, that is
2024-04-11 00:08:21	kode54	fine, then every app developer should make their own damn theme
2024-04-11 00:08:38	kevr	hm.. maybe i should try out pipewire
2024-04-11 00:09:34	edu4rdshl	kevr, pipewire is <3
2024-04-11 00:09:42	edu4rdshl	Try it, at least.
2024-04-11 00:10:07	kevr	i keep wanting to, but not wanting to reboot
2024-04-11 00:11:20	Namarrgon	you don't have to reboot
2024-04-11 00:11:26	edu4rdshl	You just need to log out/in
2024-04-11 00:11:32	Namarrgon	not even that
2024-04-11 00:11:40	kevr	let's do it
2024-04-11 00:11:43	edu4rdshl	For apps working properly? Pretty surer
2024-04-11 00:11:45	edu4rdshl	For apps working properly? Pretty sure *
2024-04-11 00:12:04	Namarrgon	You might have to restart a stubborn program, but that's about it.
2024-04-11 00:12:37	edu4rdshl	On my experience, even restarting the user service (e.g for pipewire) make apps behave weird unless you fully close and open them again
2024-04-11 00:12:49	kevr	that's fine
2024-04-11 00:17:31	aqueous-brig	kevr, how do you upgrade your kernel?
2024-04-11 00:18:26	kevr	aqueous-brig: by running -Syu and installing the latest version?
2024-04-11 00:19:11	kevr	there we go, just needed wireplumber over pipewire-media-session that i somehow had
2024-04-11 00:19:30	⚡ 	gehidore wonders why kevr was dinged with that question
2024-04-11 00:20:00	kevr	gehidore: perhaps he took "i keep wanting to, but not wanting to reboot"
2024-04-11 00:20:20	kevr	but that doesn't mean i don't upgrade my kernel, i just do it whenever i'm not busy on my system.
2024-04-11 00:21:57	aqueous-brig	It was the not wanting to reboot line, yes
2024-04-11 00:23:32	gehidore	I just keep mine the way it is with --ignore ;)
2024-04-11 00:23:40	gehidore	6.6.6-arch1-1
2024-04-11 00:23:43	gehidore	winning!
2024-04-11 00:23:45	kevr	oh nice
2024-04-11 00:23:46	gehidore	until it breaks
2024-04-11 00:23:55	gehidore	wait why do I have that fugly hat still
2024-04-11 00:24:05	gehidore	there that's better
2024-04-11 00:24:27	⚡ 	kevr takes the hat and puts it up in an antique hat shop
2024-04-11 00:29:26	cloudowind	yes better 
2024-04-11 00:33:03	greyltc	All intel Arc GPU PCIe speed/lane reporting is borked: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000094587/graphics.html
2024-04-11 01:08:59	gromit	I have a weird issue: Since a few days my shell prompt does not correctly indicate my git status anymore (i.e. added/changed etc.) and seemingly no related packages were updated
2024-04-11 01:09:22	gromit	I'm using oh-my-zsh with the "lukerandall" theme
2024-04-11 01:10:26	gromit	Ah right, that could be it
2024-04-11 01:12:30	gromit	I think I've found my issue: https://github.com/ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh/issues/12328
2024-04-11 02:43:26	absinthium	Sorry, I asked this a couple of months ago, but I ended up postponing the date and I just want to make sure I remember the steps correctly.
2024-04-11 02:43:40	gaku	absinthium: fallback bootloader path should be there already, then fallback initramfs should let you boot properly
2024-04-11 02:44:22	gaku	it'll be a matter of adding your bootloader to the new mobo's nvram? efibootmgr or just let grub do it? the wiki should have more than enough details
2024-04-11 02:44:32	gaku	but reiterating, you should™ be able to boot just fine
2024-04-11 02:50:41	Scimmia	Grub doesn't install to the default loader path by default 
2024-04-11 03:00:19	Hunker	how do i do with this when updating? Warning: removing 'jre11-openjdk-11.0.22.u7-3' from target list because it conflicts with 'jdk11-openjdk-11.0.22.u7-3'
2024-04-11 03:00:39	Hunker	the same happens with jre17
2024-04-11 03:01:38	mpan	Hunker: you have to choose only one of these (JRE or JDK).
2024-04-11 03:01:59	Hunker	Ok, fair.. which is best?
2024-04-11 03:02:26	Hunker	and how come it happens when just doing a normal update?
2024-04-11 03:02:48	mpan	“Best”?
2024-04-11 03:03:09	mpan	Because packaging changes were introduced and only one can be present, while either you have both or something requires one of them.
2024-04-11 03:03:25	virtualsid	jdk is if you're running/compiling/developing, I guess. JRE if you're only running?
2024-04-11 03:04:09	Hunker	Ok so some stuff from aur probably need jdk i guess.
2024-04-11 03:04:29	⚡ 	virtualsid shrugs
2024-04-11 03:05:04	Hunker	Lol
2024-04-11 04:04:12	yellowflower	good morning
2024-04-11 04:04:27	cloudowind	good morning 
2024-04-11 05:20:02	tay	kind of a weird newbie'ish question. I followed the wiki but both plasma and 'locale' are saying my locale is C.UTF-8. It's also weirdly the only entry in locale.conf as well which is even odder.
2024-04-11 05:21:17	sheep	did you remember to do https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/installation_guide#Localization ?
2024-04-11 05:21:19	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-11 05:21:29	tay	I did.
2024-04-11 05:22:47	freebs	he broke his interweb
2024-04-11 06:12:31	Murray7501	is it possible to filter out correctable aer messages so that they arent logged in dmesg ?
2024-04-11 06:14:56	brocellous	you can disable aer on the kernel cmdline with noaer
2024-04-11 06:17:24	grawity	would be good to update that page with the fact that you can pacman -S all the locales now
2024-04-11 06:17:26	Murray7501	brocellous: yeah I can do pci=noaer but that will not just disable the corrected messages right ?
2024-04-11 06:22:17	Murray7501	brocellous: it would be nice to get the aer's that wasnt corrected you know but I guess I'll just disable it with pci=noaer if its the only choice
2024-04-11 06:24:19	Murray7501	anyway reboot time ;)
2024-04-11 06:24:22	Murray7501	ttyl
2024-04-11 06:42:42	Gnana	Hello, can someone pointer to hyprland advance config guide if some have some link in thier bookmark
2024-04-11 06:45:19	virtualsid	Gnana: if you have an end goal, you may have better luck searching for steps to achieve that - what would even count as an 'advanced config guide'?
2024-04-11 06:45:46	Gnana	okay got it. thanks for respond. 
2024-04-11 06:45:48	⚡ 	Gnana nodes
2024-04-11 07:15:09	parakovsky	does anyone ever had an issue with bluetoothd process eating all the cpu it could after a laptop suspend
2024-04-11 07:15:14	parakovsky	i use it to tether to android internet, so it only do this if connection was active before
2024-04-11 07:21:32	parakovsky	also maybe any sway users here? tray icons not working on click (i3blocks) but work fine in (H)yprland so I guess it is somethnig config specifique.... guess it should be addressed in their channel tho
2024-04-11 07:27:15	parakovsky	so the error with bluetooth is that apparently the system couldn't bring it down after a reboot with the following error
2024-04-11 07:27:18	parakovsky	profiles/network/bnep.c:bnep_if_down() bnep: Could not bring down bnep0: No such device(19)
2024-04-11 08:00:30	parakovsky	i am thinking about maybe write a systemd unit that kills bluetoothd after suspend since it is solve the problem if one manage to do that manually
2024-04-11 08:07:18	parakovsky	ok so the problem is with the recent version of bluez as described here https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=293630
2024-04-11 08:07:19	phrik	Title: bluetooth does not work after resuming from hibernation / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-04-11 08:07:21	parakovsky	dowgrading to one version behind solves the problem
2024-04-11 08:10:14	SysGhost	Laptops often have the bluetooth functionality from the same chipset as the wifi. If the wifi is known to be "sucky" under linux (Which most sadly are), the bluetooth are equally as "sucky". That's my personal experience. So, What wifi chipset do you have in there?
2024-04-11 08:16:12	xenograph	Doing a fresh install of archlinux.. after pacstrap and arch-chroot and locale-gen stuff, I try to set root password with 'passwd' but am faced with an error: passwd: Module is unknown. I redid everything twice, same issue. Clean filesystems, fresh format. Only oddity is I'm using zfs. Latest archio.
2024-04-11 08:16:51	xenograph	archiso*
2024-04-11 08:18:23	grawity	xenograph: does a /lib/security/pam_unix.so exist?
2024-04-11 08:19:34	xenograph	grawity, yes
2024-04-11 08:22:00	SysGhost	xenograph: double-check you're arch-chroot'ing correctly with the intended root partition mounted. btw... what is the exact pacstrap command you used? did it end with some error?
2024-04-11 08:24:15	SysGhost	...and make sure you're actually setting the root password in the chroot and not in the live env.
2024-04-11 08:24:20	xenograph	SysGhost, "pacstrap -K /mnt base linux linux-firmware amd-ucode nano". Oh I do see it might've ended in an error... I see https://bpa.st/CZPA at the end
2024-04-11 08:24:21	phrik	Title: View paste CZPA (at bpa.st)
2024-04-11 08:25:36	SysGhost	the "error: command failed to execute correctly" is an indication something else failed earlier. Out of space? file conflicts? corrupt packages?
2024-04-11 08:25:54	xenograph	Hmm.. looking up now... I see another "==> WARNING: errors were encountered during the build. The image may not be complete."
2024-04-11 08:26:02	xenograph	Trying to find a useful error but so far not seeing one
2024-04-11 08:26:15	SysGhost	..even earlier. the init image might fail due to something missing.
2024-04-11 08:27:03	SysGhost	first error often result in a cascade of subsequent errors.
2024-04-11 08:27:13	xenograph	SysGhost, here's the entire output: https://bpa.st/OFTQ
2024-04-11 08:27:14	phrik	Title: View paste OFTQ (at bpa.st)
2024-04-11 08:27:20	xenograph	lmk if you see anything... I'm pretty blind
2024-04-11 08:32:17	SysGhost	not much right now. maybe I'm as blind.. .checking something else... a sec...
2024-04-11 08:33:03	xenograph	Just wiped /mnt (rf -rf /mnt/*)... and re-ran pacstrap... same result it seems.. 
2024-04-11 08:36:44	SysGhost	Seems I'm ending up in the very same predicament.
2024-04-11 08:36:55	xenograph	Oh? A bug I see... heh
2024-04-11 08:37:29	xenograph	That's what I get for installing arch at 2am... 
2024-04-11 08:39:13	SysGhost	xenograph: did you have a warning message when running the arch-chroot command?
2024-04-11 08:39:27	xenograph	SysGhost: no
2024-04-11 08:51:39	fossdd	                  correctly.                                                                                                                               │ acidsys       
2024-04-11 08:51:39	fossdd	  #rc3-xhain   │                 gaku  absinthium: fallback bootloader path should be there already, then fallback initramfs should let you boot properly                       │ aclark        
2024-04-11 08:51:39	fossdd	  #regio       │00:44            gaku  it'll be a matter of adding your bootloader to the new mobo's nvram? efibootmgr or just let grub do it? the wiki should have more than   │ acosta        
2024-04-11 08:51:39	fossdd	  #signal      │                       enough details                                                                                                                           │ actioninja    
2024-04-11 08:51:39	fossdd	  #voc-lounge  │                 gaku  but reiterating, you should™ be able to boot just fine                                                                                   │ ad1m          
2024-04-11 08:51:40	fossdd	  #voctomix    │00:47              --  +danisztl1  -danisztls                                                                                                                   │ adct          
2024-04-11 08:51:40	fossdd	  #waffel      │00:50         Scimmia  Grub doesn't install to the default loader path by default                                                                               │ adeliktas1    
2024-04-11 08:51:41	fossdd	  #☃           │00:51              --  +zeden  +sohrab  -pancakez                                                                                                               │ adnidor_      
2024-04-11 08:51:41	fossdd	  chanserv     │01:00          Hunker  how do i do with this when updating? Warning: removing 'jre11-openjdk-11.0.22.u7-3' from target list because it conflicts with           │ adv8tor       
2024-04-11 08:51:42	fossdd	libera         │                       'jdk11-openjdk-11.0.22.u7-3'                                                                                                             │ aeris         
2024-04-11 08:51:42	fossdd	  ##chat       │               Hunker  the same happens with jre17                                                                                                              │ aesdef        
2024-04-11 08:51:43	fossdd	  ##hntop      │01:01            mpan  Hunker: you have to choose only one of these (JRE or JDK).                                                                               │ agrmohit      
2024-04-11 08:55:07	raster	xenograph: things not to do on friday afternoons (or at 2am): git push your commits to master. make a software release. install arch. :)
2024-04-11 08:59:00	SysGhost	Yeah... should've gone with gentoo
2024-04-11 08:59:13	SysGhost	(·_·)
2024-04-11 08:59:35	SysGhost	jk
2024-04-11 08:59:38	raster	oh that's something you do start at 2am... it'll need all night and most of the next day to finish building.... :)
2024-04-11 08:59:47	xenograph	Been using arch for a decade+ at this point. I think this may be the first time I can say it has truly failed me. Time for bed I guess, hopefully the bug is fixed by the time I wake up (hopefully someone here can report it properly, I don't even have a gitlab account, and even then, it seems overwhelmingly confusing to figure out where to report it)
2024-04-11 09:00:20	SysGhost	Yeah... trying to figure out what's going wrong myself.
2024-04-11 09:00:38	raster	(ok - i have no idea but each time i had to deal with gentoo installing a package took far to long due to a build so i just assume a full install is going to be many times that...)
2024-04-11 09:00:43	SysGhost	obviously something borky.
2024-04-11 09:00:58	raster	xenograph: unfortunate :(
2024-04-11 09:01:03	xenograph	oh wait I just remembered that one time I ran pacman -Syu and rebooted and all my fonts were replaced with wingdings. That was a bad day, too.
2024-04-11 09:01:21	raster	my main home desktop box has its original arch install from like 2012 or so still...
2024-04-11 09:01:51	raster	still going strong. the disk still has a bios boot block and i have my bios use "legacy boot" to do that ... that's how old it is :)
2024-04-11 09:02:20	xenograph	now that is impressive
2024-04-11 09:02:32	raster	xenograph: windings... you don't read windings?:)
2024-04-11 09:03:26	xenograph	I still have no idea what happened that day the fonts got all messed up... was the weirdest thing ever. Don't even recall how I resolved it, but it was certainly a mess.
2024-04-11 09:03:51	SysGhost	Heh... my main computer home still runs the install from 2007. it even survived the big /bin move =)
2024-04-11 09:03:54	raster	xenograph: arch can work really well if you take care of it. the install has been dd'd from several disks over the years (each new disk happened to be bigger so a expand partition + resize2fs was all i needed) - i've gone through more motherboards and cpu's and disks than i have arch installs by a long shot :)
2024-04-11 09:04:06	⚡ 	rcf decides to try this
2024-04-11 09:04:20	raster	SysGhost: oh wow an arch install from 2007. you win :)
2024-04-11 09:04:32	⚡ 	raster takes his hat off
2024-04-11 09:04:44	SysGhost	I even cloned the drive once as the previous screwed up
2024-04-11 09:04:52	xenograph	ya'll are insane. I do a clean wipe every few years. I get anxiety wondering what junk gets caught up in dark places.
2024-04-11 09:05:10	⚡ 	SysGhost hides all the dark places.
2024-04-11 09:05:24	raster	xenograph: be one with the junk. embrace the junk. let it flow through your veins...
2024-04-11 09:05:28	xenograph	thankfully im not in the middle of a clean wipe on my main machine, just spinning up a secondary server box.
2024-04-11 09:05:33	rcf	xenograph: this is when you learn to prune things on a live system 
2024-04-11 09:05:34	SysGhost	Who knows. All of a sudden Venix jumps out.
2024-04-11 09:05:38	xenograph	now as to whether arch is suitable for a server... that's another question
2024-04-11 09:05:53	jelle	xenograph: it depends
2024-04-11 09:05:58	jelle	if you are Arch, it is suitable
2024-04-11 09:05:59	SysGhost	depends on the servers purpose. mission-critical?
2024-04-11 09:06:09	grawity	fresh installs are like the place you just moved in to yesterday; it doesn't feel "home" yet
2024-04-11 09:06:24	xenograph	It is sorta mission-critical yea lol... Maybe I should reconsider xD
2024-04-11 09:06:52	SysGhost	The entire company lives and dies with that one server. ;)
2024-04-11 09:07:00	raster	xenograph: tbh... that is a line i haven't crossed. my router runs debian... as it's headless and 3 floors down in the garage ... if it were to not boot after some kernel update or something i'd have to lug down a bunch of stuff to get a kbd and screen onto it to fix it just to get my internet back. :/
2024-04-11 09:07:11	SysGhost	uptime 99.999% required. Arch is not the way.
2024-04-11 09:08:11	raster	maybe one of these days i should switch to some hw with a proper serial port and serial exposed uefi bios or bootloader then a secondary terminal server rpi or something attached to that for emergencies... or maybe a proper server mobo with ipmi...
2024-04-11 09:08:15	xenograph	Actually.. I guess 99.999% uptime is not required. As long as it's stable in between updates, that's what matters most
2024-04-11 09:08:24	xenograph	if it has to go down for a day due to a weird update, not the end of the world
2024-04-11 09:08:32	xenograph	I'll just make sure not to run updates before mission critical moments heh
2024-04-11 09:08:46	xenograph	(easier said than done... pacman -Syu is so tempting sometimes)
2024-04-11 09:08:49	raster	xenograph:  yeah - its the updates
2024-04-11 09:08:59	L555BAT	no updates on a friday please
2024-04-11 09:09:08	SysGhost	Well.. arch in itself is quite stable for being a rolling release dist. but rolling release is not something one would like on a server that runs unmaintained for who knows time.
2024-04-11 09:09:25	raster	the odd "it needs a reboot" is ok. the "i updated, rebooted and now i spend the next 2hrs fixing it so it boots" is a problem :)
2024-04-11 09:09:40	xenograph	I'm also gonna run zfs on it so that I can quickly rollback, that might be helpful 
2024-04-11 09:09:44	raster	admittedly thats very rare even on arch... it has happened. it's fixable... 
2024-04-11 09:09:47	xenograph	(tho zfs adds a slew of things that can go wrong heh)
2024-04-11 09:10:16	raster	L555BAT: indeed. though i make that friday afternoon. actually i might extend that to anything after 3pm on any other day too :)
2024-04-11 09:10:38	jelle	xenograph: with zfs you run lts and do careful planning
2024-04-11 09:10:39	SysGhost	raster: one thing when a distribution promises to keep your boot loader in shape compared to oneself being responsible for reading arch news and checking the pacnew files.
2024-04-11 09:10:48	jelle	(and every kernel update thank oracle for it's licensing)
2024-04-11 09:11:02	raster	xenograph: i'm old and crusty. not willing to try new fangled zfs for my fs. ext4 still ftw. :)
2024-04-11 09:11:19	xenograph	isn't ext4 newer than zfs? lol
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2024-04-11 09:11:42	xenograph	jelle, lts is probably a good idea.. 
2024-04-11 09:11:52	L555BAT	raster, yeah i feel you. gets the point where anything beyond monday is nearly the weekend so best to be on the safe side and wait until next monday...
2024-04-11 09:11:54	raster	SysGhost: yeah - thats why i opted for debian. they handle that. if services dont work after i booted as long as i can ssh in i am happy to fix it. i just dont want a boot before sshd is up failing
2024-04-11 09:12:07	raster	L555BAT: heheheheh indeed :)
2024-04-11 09:12:33	raster	xenograph: zfs is not in mainline kernel... so it must be newer. hasnt hit mainline yet :)
2024-04-11 09:12:50	xenograph	ahh good point ;-)
2024-04-11 09:12:50	jelle	lol
2024-04-11 09:13:03	SysGhost	ext4 went "stable" 2008, and zfs was introduced 2004. zfs has no official "went stable" date though.
2024-04-11 09:13:09	raster	that's one of the reasons i gave up on nvidia.
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2024-04-11 09:13:11	Gnana	hyprland lags on on youtube workspace tabing?
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2024-04-11 09:14:14	raster	as the driver is out of tree (or well was)... you can update kernel then find the nvidia driver doesnt build against your new kernel and leaves you graphicless. happened to me 2 or 3 times... i had enough of manually dornwgrading my kernels until nvidia caught up. out of tree stuff for kernels is a big no-no in my book.
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2024-04-11 09:16:40	rcf	Ah, yes, this is indeed an issue. 
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2024-04-11 09:17:26	raster	it's one thing to lose your desktop/gfx... if this happened to an out of tree zfs module for my whole fs... that's a little bit worse :)
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2024-04-11 09:21:41	rcf	xenograph: workaround: don't arch-chroot, systemd-nspwan -D 
2024-04-11 09:22:16	rcf	xenograph: so it's an arch-chroot issue. 
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2024-04-11 09:26:43	rcf	With that passwd works fine 
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2024-04-11 09:37:36	SysGhost	oh I see.
2024-04-11 09:37:46	intelfx	I want to run some analytics on the collection of PKGBUILDs from the Arch repos. Is there a better way to get ahold of those other than mass cloning from the packaging GitLab (which I imagine would be quite unfriendly wrt. server load)?
2024-04-11 09:38:06	SysGhost	arch-chroot is a mere script pre-mounting stuff before achually chrooting? if so ... did it not mount something needed?
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2024-04-11 09:44:56	SysGhost	rcf: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2164183
2024-04-11 09:44:57	phrik	Title: Fresh install. arch-chroot, passwd gives "passwd: Module is unknown" / Installation / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-11 09:45:06	SysGhost	fyi
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2024-04-11 09:51:59	SysGhost	rcf: well... no go! "systemd-nspawn -D /mnt" ... same result: passwd: Module is unknown
2024-04-11 09:53:22	rcf	SysGhost: let me try again. Maybe it's a weird timing bug 
2024-04-11 09:57:48	rcf	Well how the fuck did I do that 
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2024-04-11 10:10:19	SysGhost	Magic!
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2024-04-11 10:11:09	grawity	pacman -S --asdeps libnsl
2024-04-11 10:15:16	rcf	That's whatI did. 
2024-04-11 10:15:16	rcf	Not even intentionally, but trying to debug passwd
2024-04-11 10:15:16	SysGhost	ah
2024-04-11 10:15:16	rcf	I won't question why it didn't work until I left the chroot and tried something else. 
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2024-04-11 10:15:16	bernhard	how does one update their bios with an .exe file
2024-04-11 10:15:16	rcf	grawity++
2024-04-11 10:15:16	bernhard	is there something like a windows live cd?
2024-04-11 10:15:26	SysGhost	bernhard: depends. often the exe are self-extracting zips or other packaging formats. Try to open the exe as an archive.
2024-04-11 10:15:29	grawity	bernhard: one first installs fwupd and runs `sudo fwupdmgr get-updates` to check if the same update is available via LVFS
2024-04-11 10:15:48	grawity	bernhard: if not, then one runs `7z l foo.exe` to see if the raw bin/cap file can be extracted from it and put on a USB stick
2024-04-11 10:15:54	SysGhost	usually these bios update .exe runs under a DOS environment.
2024-04-11 10:16:20	SysGhost	Search for FreeDOS usb stick images.
2024-04-11 10:16:23	grawity	bernhard: there are "Windows live CDs", though – WinPE-based, e.g. Hiren's WinPE thing (or the Windows install USB to some extent) but I'm not sure if they'll work
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2024-04-11 10:16:45	grawity	most new systems support "UEFI capsule updates" that aren't DOS-based
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2024-04-11 10:18:59	bernhard	that just looks like more exe files https://dpaste.com/82WMCP9L8  no firmware updates available
2024-04-11 10:19:02	phrik	Title: dpaste: 82WMCP9L8 (at dpaste.com)
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2024-04-11 10:22:28	SysGhost	grawity: Should libnsl be part of base? Or are we required to include it in the pacstrap command from here on?
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2024-04-11 10:24:10	SysGhost	xenograph: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2164189 The magic bean: pacman -S --asdeps libnsl
2024-04-11 10:24:11	phrik	Title: Fresh install. arch-chroot, passwd gives "passwd: Module is unknown" / Installation / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-11 10:26:27	grawity	SysGhost: no, it should be part of pam dependencies
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2024-04-11 10:31:08	SysGhost	Should this be reported asa package bug? https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/pam/-/issues
2024-04-11 10:31:09	phrik	Title: Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / pam · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-11 10:31:23	grawity	nah, the packagers already know about it
2024-04-11 10:31:29	SysGhost	ah
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2024-04-11 10:43:04	intelfx	bernhard: .fd is your firmware file
2024-04-11 10:43:12	intelfx	ah, he left already
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2024-04-11 10:51:29	grawity	they just fixed pam
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2024-04-11 10:56:16	rcf	\o/
2024-04-11 10:59:18	enoq	intelfx, no, just swapped machines, thanks!
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2024-04-11 11:22:07	intelfx	enoq: ah, good
2024-04-11 11:22:13	intelfx	so *.fd must be your firmware
2024-04-11 11:22:27	intelfx	unfortunately it's probably not a capsule, so you can't just boot it
2024-04-11 11:22:35	intelfx	but, there's a *.efi executable adjacent to it
2024-04-11 11:22:46	intelfx	It might be the flasher
2024-04-11 11:22:46	grawity	I would put it on a FAT32 usb stick and search the firmware setup screen for "flash utility" or something
2024-04-11 11:22:54	grawity	as it often comes built-in these days...
2024-04-11 11:23:23	intelfx	judging by the model number encoded in the filename, it's a laptop
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2024-04-11 11:23:38	intelfx	they usually don't have Setup-initiated flashing
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2024-04-11 11:26:45	vardo	Hello. I tried to follow this article: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Activating_numlock_on_bootup
2024-04-11 11:26:47	phrik	Title: Activating numlock on bootup - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-11 11:26:58	vardo	Using mkinitcpio method.
2024-04-11 11:27:14	vardo	Oh wait, I think I understood, brb
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2024-04-11 11:34:27	vardo	!next
2024-04-11 11:34:27	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2024-04-11 11:34:46	SysGhost	Neat! problems that solves themselves! \o/
2024-04-11 11:35:37	vardo	Yeah, I got mkinitcpio-numlock package, makepkg it, but I forgot to pacman it, so I had errors while I tried regenerating the initramfs
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2024-04-11 11:36:10	jelle	what is that even?
2024-04-11 11:36:21	vardo	Read the wiki
2024-04-11 11:36:24	Khorne	A package jello, keep up and pay attention
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2024-04-11 11:36:32	vardo	Section 1.1
2024-04-11 11:36:34	jelle	oh wauw
2024-04-11 11:36:39	⚡ 	jelle shudders
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2024-04-11 11:37:39	SysGhost	yeah... so much for a simple num lock. <mode="old geezer"> Back in my time we could enable num lock in the BIOS setup utility.</mode>
2024-04-11 11:37:49	vardo	True
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2024-04-11 11:45:06	wouter	hi -- can someone who has an account on wiki.archlinux.org update https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Electronic_identification for me? In the "Belgium" section, it claims that OpenSC is required for Chrome and other Chromium-based browsers. This information is incorrect and harmful, as I've just explained in my blog at https://grep.be/blog/en/computer/eID/OpenSC_and_the_Belgian_eID/ -- but I don't
2024-04-11 11:45:06	wouter	have an 
2024-04-11 11:45:07	phrik	Title: Electronic identification - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-11 11:45:12	wouter	account and would prefer not to have to create yet another one for one trivial fix
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2024-04-11 11:47:39	vardo	SysGhost, just to be clear, numlock is activated on boot in my BIOS but then Linux turn it off by default, apparently.
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2024-04-11 11:50:48	masterkorp	hey guys do recommend a simple lightweight browser that supports socks proxy with dns ? 
2024-04-11 11:51:29	teraflops	lightweight and browser on the same sentence ^^
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2024-04-11 11:52:04	wouter	masterkorp: lynx and tsocks?
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2024-04-11 11:53:26	teraflops	masterkorp: it looks like qutebrowser can do :set content.proxy socks
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2024-04-11 11:57:08	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-11 11:57:08	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-11 11:58:49	g0mib0y	Falkon: Formerly known as QupZilla, Falkon is a lightweight web browser based on the QtWebEngine rendering engine. It's known for its speed and efficiency and has support for SOCKS proxy with DNS resolution.
2024-04-11 11:58:53	g0mib0y	Dillo: Dillo is an extremely lightweight web browser designed primarily for speed and efficiency. While it may not have extensive features, it is known for its minimal resource usage and might support SOCKS proxy with DNS.
2024-04-11 11:58:57	g0mib0y	NetSurf: NetSurf is another lightweight web browser designed to be fast and efficient, particularly on low-resource systems. It's primarily aimed at providing a lightweight browsing experience and may support SOCKS proxy with DNS.
2024-04-11 11:59:48	g0mib0y	answer to teraflops
2024-04-11 11:59:59	g0mib0y	just ask ChatGPT next time :)
2024-04-11 12:00:15	teraflops	I did not ask anything
2024-04-11 12:00:25	wouter	nobody likes chatgpt if they want accuracy...
2024-04-11 12:00:33	g0mib0y	sory sorry 
2024-04-11 12:00:48	g0mib0y	my misstake it was masterkorp
2024-04-11 12:01:15	g0mib0y	well no, I have to use it at work and it sucks
2024-04-11 12:01:38	g0mib0y	distorts shit
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2024-04-11 12:02:15	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-11 12:02:15	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1465 nicks (2 ops, 0 voiced, 1463 regular)
2024-04-11 12:02:17	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-11 12:02:28	g0mib0y	respect the wiki
2024-04-11 12:03:06	wouter	g0mib0y: "have to use"? eww. Which company is that? Want to make sure I never go there.
2024-04-11 12:03:22	vardo	What's the console manager that allows multiple "windows" again? tty something. 
2024-04-11 12:03:58	Khorne	vardo, tmux or screen
2024-04-11 12:04:06	vardo	Khorne, thank you!
2024-04-11 12:04:14	g0mib0y	wouter: haha not telling. :) but it's just for customer questions but it is hopless since even if you teach it an answer it makes it's version of the answer
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2024-04-11 12:05:02	Khorne	If I were me I'd try anything but Linux because Linux is ancient
2024-04-11 12:05:04	wouter	g0mib0y: yeah, that sounds like an LLM alright
2024-04-11 12:05:27	g0mib0y	And that is really bad if you need a really precise answer lol
2024-04-11 12:05:44	wouter	Khorne: it's less ancient than me *shrug*
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2024-04-11 12:06:24	Khorne	NetSysFire, and as we all know ancient is bad
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2024-04-11 12:06:39	wouter	NetSysFire: I dunno, I'm less ancient than the Romans
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2024-04-11 12:07:04	Khorne	new is always more betterer
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2024-04-11 12:14:50	vardo	Recent is the new obsolete
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2024-04-11 12:17:03	enoq	intelfx, thank you!
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2024-04-11 12:19:47	vardo	Do people use 'fortune'?
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2024-04-11 12:20:58	vardo	I'm asking this because I'm reading tmux article section 5.4, and it seems to be given some importance
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2024-04-11 12:39:36	Khorne	I can of course speak for 'people' in its entirety, much like everyone else in this channel, when I say, maybe
2024-04-11 12:39:54	vardo	lol
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2024-04-11 12:40:34	vardo	Point taken
2024-04-11 12:40:48	Khorne	:p
2024-04-11 12:41:04	Khorne	Someone probably noticed the interaction and mentioned it in the wiki
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2024-04-11 12:43:46	vardo	Ok
2024-04-11 12:44:50	vardo	Is that typical of the wiki to not give the command line of a program such as tmux? There is a lot of information about how to achieve various types of setup but are we to assume that the default command line for tmux is 'tmux'?
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2024-04-11 12:49:57	martti	vardo: it actually is. basically all parameters you prefer you would have to pass every time. Instead of making things very tedious this way, they are kept in .tmuxrc
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2024-04-11 12:51:55	martti	to check if tmux is already running, you'd usually try `tmux attach`, or `tmux ls` becfore committing to a new session, unless you just booted up
2024-04-11 12:52:06	vardo	martti, thank you. I'm not sure I was clear though: what I meant to ask is does the wiki assume that the command is the title of the article? I had to read the entire wiki article to figure that 'tmux' was the binary file name.
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2024-04-11 12:52:57	teraflops	pacman -Ql tmux
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2024-04-11 12:53:06	astralc86	there is link in most of them to the project page, which have the "basic" stuff
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2024-04-11 12:54:08	vardo	teraflops, I take it that the wiki does not need to explain how to run the program because the package lists it
2024-04-11 12:54:09	martti	vardo:  I usually browse the file listing of a package I installed for binaries to get a sense of what my options are. it's not unusual for the package name equal the project name equal the binary name.
2024-04-11 12:54:22	vardo	martti: ok, thank you
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2024-04-11 14:10:12	vardo	Hi again. On my new installation, I can't get nano to use the normal ctrl+arrow shortcut to move between words. And I cannot find information about how to bind arrows in nanorc. 
2024-04-11 14:11:08	vardo	CTRL+arrow simply move left/right one letter at a time, as if I didn't press CTRL.
2024-04-11 14:11:33	vardo	Wrong, sorry: this happens in TMUX only.
2024-04-11 14:15:02	vardo	But CTRL+arrow is not a default tmux keybinding, so I don't know why the two conflict.
2024-04-11 14:21:45	vardo	CTRL+space and ALT+space alternate shortcuts still work
2024-04-11 14:23:16	vardo	Damn, I can't even use SHIFT+arrows to select text in nano either
2024-04-11 14:25:04	Namarrgon	Is this limited to nano?
2024-04-11 14:26:04	vardo	I'm not sure what other console application I could use to test this
2024-04-11 14:26:29	Namarrgon	what is $TERM set to inside and outside of tmux?
2024-04-11 14:27:06	vardo	tmux-256color
2024-04-11 14:32:10	vardo	outside tmux:  linux
2024-04-11 14:36:23	SysGhost	Your terminal is weird and sometimes messy? keys not behaving as expected? had some program powerdump its core recently? try "reset"
2024-04-11 14:37:47	SysGhost	https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/reset-command-in-linux-with-examples/
2024-04-11 14:37:48	phrik	Title: reset command in Linux with Examples - GeeksforGeeks (at www.geeksforgeeks.org)
2024-04-11 14:38:15	vardo	I don't seem to have problems other than this
2024-04-11 14:41:31	SysGhost	vardo: in a graphical terminal application, or the proper tty?
2024-04-11 14:42:26	vardo	SysGhost, tty
2024-04-11 14:45:11	SysGhost	try Ctrl+f and Ctrl+b respectively.
2024-04-11 14:46:02	SysGhost	and also try Ctrl+Space and alt+space
2024-04-11 14:46:03	vardo	These are for search
2024-04-11 14:46:13	vardo	I already mentioned these ones:
2024-04-11 14:46:20	vardo	[14:21:45] <vardo> CTRL+space and ALT+space alternate shortcuts still work
2024-04-11 14:46:47	vardo	The problem is when using a modifier key and arrows
2024-04-11 14:47:01	SysGhost	I see... what's in your ~/.nanorc ?
2024-04-11 14:47:42	vardo	It's really fine, I just uncommented keybindings suggested at the end of the file to get more universal shortcuts
2024-04-11 14:48:04	vardo	I use this file on 4 computers without any problem, only tmux seems to pose problem
2024-04-11 14:49:09	SysGhost	... then it's the tmux that need some additional hands-on
2024-04-11 14:49:21	vardo	Yeah I think so
2024-04-11 14:49:32	vardo	I tried some chatgpt suggestions, since I couldn't find anything on the web so far
2024-04-11 14:49:54	SysGhost	See if you can add this to the ~/.tmux.conf : set-window-option -g xterm-keys on
2024-04-11 14:49:55	vardo	Like " adding set -g default-terminal "screen-256color" to your .tmux.conf file and restarting Tmux."
2024-04-11 14:50:08	vardo	or "setw -g xterm-keys on"
2024-04-11 14:50:21	raster	it's possible an escape has escaped tmux?
2024-04-11 14:50:21	vardo	It didn't change anything
2024-04-11 14:50:28	raster	escapes like to escape...
2024-04-11 14:50:28	vardo	Maybe
2024-04-11 14:50:53	vardo	ChatGPT suggested I would override the keybindings but it's unable to get it right "bind ^Left prevword main
2024-04-11 14:50:53	vardo	bind ^Right nextword main"
2024-04-11 14:51:01	vardo	These are not correct keybindings for nano
2024-04-11 14:51:11	raster	tmux SHOULD be capturing all escapes (sideband) and then holding its own state like all terminal emulators do... then tmux needs to emulate that state to the host terminal
2024-04-11 14:51:19	vardo	I'm still looking for the right syntax to define keybindings with arrows in nanorc
2024-04-11 14:51:26	SysGhost	ChatGPT isn't good at linux-support. at all.
2024-04-11 14:51:34	raster	but i think tmux may miss a few escapes it wont emulate right
2024-04-11 14:51:36	SysGhost	it make things up that doesn't fit.
2024-04-11 14:52:11	vardo	SysGhost: I agree, but sometimes it gives interesting suggestions. I don't blindly believe everything it says.
2024-04-11 14:52:26	SysGhost	default-terminal "screen" should be removed / commented out and default-terminal "xterm-256color" should do.
2024-04-11 14:52:39	vardo	OK, trying it now, thanks
2024-04-11 14:52:44	⚡ 	docdrow uses TERM=tmux-direct
2024-04-11 14:52:49	SysGhost	or that
2024-04-11 14:52:51	⚡ 	docdrow also uses TERM=kitty-direct outside of tmux
2024-04-11 14:53:06	docdrow	for T in `find /usr/share/terminfo -type f -printf '%f '`;do echo "$T `tput -T $T colors`";done|sort -nk2
2024-04-11 14:53:18	⚡ 	docdrow tips his hat.
2024-04-11 14:53:44	jk2	exit
2024-04-11 14:54:03	vardo	docdrow, what is your code for?
2024-04-11 14:54:28	docdrow	vardo: prints out a list of color-enabled TERMCAPs installed on your system.
2024-04-11 14:54:29	SysGhost	vardo: listing your available TERM choices
2024-04-11 14:55:15	vardo	xterm-256color didn't change anything
2024-04-11 14:55:27	SysGhost	tmux then
2024-04-11 14:56:31	SysGhost	tmux-direct 
2024-04-11 14:56:33	vardo	tmux-direct didn't change anything either
2024-04-11 14:57:50	docdrow	vardo: what term are you using?
2024-04-11 14:58:34	ecraven	can I reload ~/.XCompose without restarting the X server? is that file even read by the server, or is that the client?
2024-04-11 14:58:51	SysGhost	docdrow: tty
2024-04-11 14:59:07	docdrow	eh? 
2024-04-11 14:59:28	docdrow	I mean, like, kitty / konsole / gnome-term / xterm / rxvt / whatever?
2024-04-11 14:59:54	docdrow	putty? ;-)
2024-04-11 15:00:17	raster	terminology of course
2024-04-11 15:00:19	raster	:)
2024-04-11 15:00:43	vardo	docdrow: I run your code, it gives me a list of terms, not sure what this is for though
2024-04-11 15:01:04	docdrow	vardo: what kind of terminal are you using though
2024-04-11 15:01:06	vardo	I am using the default terminal when I boot?
2024-04-11 15:01:11	vardo	VT
2024-04-11 15:01:15	docdrow	ah linux console...
2024-04-11 15:01:18	vardo	YEs
2024-04-11 15:01:36	docdrow	I've had similar problems but I never bothered to troubleshoot it
2024-04-11 15:01:53	docdrow	I use Wayland + Kitty
2024-04-11 15:02:00	raster	one day the linux vt needs to die...
2024-04-11 15:02:16	docdrow	might be something here to help you
2024-04-11 15:02:18	docdrow	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Linux_console
2024-04-11 15:02:20	phrik	Title: Linux console - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-11 15:02:27	SysGhost	raster: then... what will we use the framebuffer for? 
2024-04-11 15:02:38	raster	SysGhost: terminology :)
2024-04-11 15:03:01	SysGhost	can it do 24bit colour space?
2024-04-11 15:03:49	demonicmaniac1	and what do you do for embedded or headless systems with a remote console etcpp?
2024-04-11 15:04:12	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-11 15:04:26	SysGhost	...and those with 80x25 text mode only?
2024-04-11 15:04:40	docdrow	demonicmaniac1: /dev/ttyS0 ----> Wayland + kitty remote :)
2024-04-11 15:05:05	⚡ 	SysGhost don't dare look at the 40x25 purists out in the shadows around us.
2024-04-11 15:05:14	raster	SysGhost: it understand the escapes... :) it will reduce it to 256color for display tho
2024-04-11 15:05:15	vardo	I'm going to try screen and see if it's as bad as tmux
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2024-04-11 15:06:47	SysGhost	raster: bleh!
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2024-04-11 15:06:49	raster	demonicmaniac1: for headless - eg serial console itjust gets handled in userspace direct to the serial line and the login process :)
2024-04-11 15:07:01	raster	kernel doesnt need code to emulate a vt100/200/whatever :)
2024-04-11 15:07:12	SysGhost	can't have my rainbow vomit running!
2024-04-11 15:07:18	raster	SysGhost: and those with 80x25 - same as above. a userspace vt emulator. not in kernel
2024-04-11 15:07:43	raster	SysGhost: you dont need the vt defined vomit. terminology has its own special vomit :)
2024-04-11 15:08:00	raster	SysGhost: e.g. tycat /path/to/video.mp4
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2024-04-11 15:08:11	raster	or tybg /path/to/vomit.jpg
2024-04-11 15:08:13	raster	:)
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2024-04-11 15:08:31	demonicmaniac1	fair
2024-04-11 15:08:35	docdrow	kitty > terminology
2024-04-11 15:08:37	⚡ 	docdrow ducks
2024-04-11 15:08:45	raster	SysGhost: and 40x25... only allowed if it has a blue bg with a light blue screen border and light blue text :)
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2024-04-11 15:09:00	raster	docdrow: nevvahh :)
2024-04-11 15:09:25	SysGhost	raster: C=
2024-04-11 15:09:36	raster	SysGhost: +1 :)
2024-04-11 15:10:07	SysGhost	raster: https://style64.org/c64-truetype
2024-04-11 15:10:08	phrik	Title: C64 TrueType (TTF) Fonts | Style (at style64.org)
2024-04-11 15:10:44	raster	demonicmaniac1:  basically imho the kernel itself having a term emulator built in adds a reasonable amount of complicated code to kernel space that has to parse stuff and get that right and the less code (less complex code) especially that parses strings that we have in the kernel, the better :)
2024-04-11 15:11:03	raster	SysGhost: that's pretty awesome
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2024-04-11 15:11:40	raster	SysGhost:  tho e does one slightly better: https://git.enlightenment.org/enlightenment/enlightenment/src/branch/master/data/fonts
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2024-04-11 15:11:44	phrik	Title: enlightenment/fonts at master - enlightenment - Enlightenment GIT (at git.enlightenment.org)
2024-04-11 15:11:44	raster	ships with topaz :)
2024-04-11 15:11:53	raster	it's used for the guru meditation
2024-04-11 15:12:00	docdrow	Amiga > *
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2024-04-11 15:12:33	raster	if you manage to crash e ... you get a guru - in all its glory. topaz font, red, red blinking box... :)
2024-04-11 15:12:57	SysGhost	raster: Commodore glyphs? =(
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2024-04-11 15:13:29	raster	you mean the font for the guru text .. or you mean the text content is similar to what the guru said?
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2024-04-11 15:13:56	SysGhost	For the C64 / VIC enthusiast. ;)
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2024-04-11 15:14:10	SysGhost	but yeah. pixel fonts do nicely
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2024-04-11 15:15:19	SysGhost	but for just a term font.. Hack.
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2024-04-11 15:16:18	demonicmaniac1	erusfont is my favourite
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2024-04-11 15:17:27	demonicmaniac1	also has a psf for the vt
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2024-04-11 15:20:09	raster	SysGhost: yeah - i used hack in my terminology's
2024-04-11 15:20:16	raster	its the right ratio of height vs width
2024-04-11 15:20:24	raster	and scales down well too as well as up
2024-04-11 15:20:41	SysGhost	Hack scales up and down really well.
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2024-04-11 15:24:26	[-_-]	guys, my problem with vokoscreen has been fixed
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2024-04-11 15:25:01	[-_-]	this is what I did, simply deleted '~/.cache/gstreamer-1.0'
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2024-04-11 15:25:27	raster	SysGhost: http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-6617e4ab5a3260.82548456.png
2024-04-11 15:25:28	raster	behold!
2024-04-11 15:25:41	raster	(took me a bit of effort to force a crash i could capture) :)
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2024-04-11 15:27:24	[-_-]	I think someone should put this on archwiki
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2024-04-11 15:28:48	vardo	GNU screen presents the same problem as tmux
2024-04-11 15:29:35	louipc	what's that?
2024-04-11 15:30:12	vardo	The problem I mentioned earlier, that I cannot use combiner key + arrows in nano running tmux
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2024-04-11 15:47:49	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-11 15:47:59	SysGhost	Was about to suggest a more stable connection.
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2024-04-11 15:55:01	SysGhost	anyhow. the vlc-git works on my end.
2024-04-11 15:55:07	raster	ja
2024-04-11 15:55:08	raster	here too
2024-04-11 15:55:23	vardo	OK, I don't understand this: sometimes when I run startx it opens gnome-session (as it should) and sometimes I just get a black screen with a X mouse pointer. If I switch to VT 2 and ps -all, I see gnome-session.
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2024-04-11 15:57:05	vardo	If I kill gnome-session process, X ends in VT 1
2024-04-11 15:57:08	docdrow	vardo: wht kind of gpu
2024-04-11 15:57:21	vardo	nvidia rtx 4700 ti
2024-04-11 15:57:27	⚡ 	raster runs
2024-04-11 15:57:36	SysGhost	OO
2024-04-11 15:57:52	docdrow	vardo: might be explicit sync
2024-04-11 15:57:59	vardo	What do you mean?
2024-04-11 15:58:03	docdrow	I have a similar issue on my 4090
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2024-04-11 15:58:14	docdrow	go to phoronix.com and search explicit sync
2024-04-11 15:58:33	vardo	*4070 ti
2024-04-11 15:58:36	Namarrgon	I don't think all the pieces are in place for it to already cause issues like that.
2024-04-11 15:59:04	vardo	It worked well until today when I used tmux and screen
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2024-04-11 15:59:34	Namarrgon	I doubt that that is related.
2024-04-11 15:59:55	vardo	If I type "gnome-session", it just returns
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2024-04-11 16:00:36	Namarrgon	In the linux text console?
2024-04-11 16:00:53	vardo	In the journal, it says it cannot open display
2024-04-11 16:00:54	vardo	Yes
2024-04-11 16:01:17	Namarrgon	You can't start gnome's X11 session like that
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2024-04-11 16:01:44	vardo	I did for a year, why not?
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2024-04-11 16:02:07	SysGhost	well one can.. .but shouldn't =) ... DISPLAY=":0" gnome-session
2024-04-11 16:02:11	vardo	OK now it works after I shut down the network
2024-04-11 16:02:24	Namarrgon	You need to start an X11 server first. If just running 'gnome-session' started gnome then you were using the wayland backend.
2024-04-11 16:02:44	vardo	Oh yeah
2024-04-11 16:02:51	vardo	I thought you meant I cannot use 'startx' too
2024-04-11 16:03:00	Namarrgon	You can, for the X11 session.
2024-04-11 16:03:11	vardo	I usually don't directly start gnome-session, I agree
2024-04-11 16:03:30	noobaroo	Scimmia The tarball is basically a git clone. I think there are only some metadata  files that differentiate but idk what they are
2024-04-11 16:03:40	noobaroo	Do you know what they are?
2024-04-11 16:03:55	vardo	So now startx works, whether the network is up or down, I have no idea why it failed earlier
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2024-04-11 16:04:27	vardo	Is the loopback used by X11/gnome?
2024-04-11 16:04:33	SysGhost	noobaroo: the tarball does not include the up-to-date gid stuff to track how up-to-date the clone is, so it's "outside git"
2024-04-11 16:04:35	noobaroo	it would be EXTREMELY helpful if I could just use the .tar.bz2 clone because it's 26MB and I'm pretty sure the git clone is triple that
2024-04-11 16:04:35	vardo	"lo" interface
2024-04-11 16:04:58	noobaroo	Can I just download that separately and add it SysGhost?
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2024-04-11 16:05:24	SysGhost	the git clone command I gave should work. but it's the same as the makepkg already runs.
2024-04-11 16:05:54	noobaroo	This would be extremely helpful not just for this instance with the makepkg git clone error, but for all future AUR installations because .tar.bz2 is much more highly compressed than zip files or other stuff
2024-04-11 16:05:57	noobaroo	And I have slow internet
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2024-04-11 16:06:04	noobaroo	If its the same thing then why would it work?
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2024-04-11 16:06:32	SysGhost	git itself uses compression so it shouldn't make that much of a difference.
2024-04-11 16:06:45	noobaroo	It's a big difference
2024-04-11 16:06:53	noobaroo	https://confluence.atlassian.com/bitbucketserverkb/git-clone-fails-fatal-the-remote-end-hung-up-unexpectedly-fatal-early-eof-fatal-index-pack-failed-779171803.html
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2024-04-11 16:07:23	noobaroo	This ^ says to use ssh to bypass the error but when I try, it asks me for a password to user@git which I don't know
2024-04-11 16:07:43	SysGhost	you can always fetch the PKGBUILD package, and modify it to use regular tarball from the git repos.
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2024-04-11 16:08:58	noobaroo	How?
2024-04-11 16:09:09	noobaroo	PLEASE tell me how
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2024-04-11 16:09:30	astralc	!give noobaroo abs
2024-04-11 16:09:30	phrik	noobaroo: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Build_System
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2024-04-11 16:10:48	vardo	docdrow: what should explicit sync search return on your website? I don't think I use wayland here
2024-04-11 16:12:25	noobaroo	astralc If you could be a little more specific?
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2024-04-11 16:23:28	vardo	I renamed /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc and now I don't have a problem running gnome
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2024-04-11 16:24:38	vardo	Ok problem is back
2024-04-11 16:24:55	lmat	!doesntwork
2024-04-11 16:24:56	phrik	What do you mean it doesn't work? If there's an error, *tell us*. If it's more than two lines, see !paste.
2024-04-11 16:25:17	lmat	Is there a good factoid about "doesn't work" being a bad way to ask a question?
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2024-04-11 16:25:48	SysGhost	!doesntwork
2024-04-11 16:25:49	phrik	What do you mean it doesn't work? If there's an error, *tell us*. If it's more than two lines, see !paste.
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2024-04-11 16:26:24	SysGhost	!doeswork
2024-04-11 16:26:25	phrik	SysGhost: No idea
2024-04-11 16:26:29	SysGhost	aaawww
2024-04-11 16:27:06	vardo	What is this 'explicit sync' docdrow was referring to?
2024-04-11 16:27:58	vardo	I tried his search request on phoronix, I can't see anything useful regarding why gnome wouldn't show up
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2024-04-11 16:29:39	Khorne	Maybe you shouldn't look for random crap on a whim suggested without base
2024-04-11 16:29:55	vardo	I don't know what else to do though
2024-04-11 16:29:57	Khorne	Maybe you should instead look at logs of your session and X server and figure out whats happening or not
2024-04-11 16:30:40	vardo	I tried that, the journal said it couldn't find the display, I added export DISPLAY=":0" in .xinitrc
2024-04-11 16:31:37	Namarrgon	Can you post your ~/.xinitrc?
2024-04-11 16:31:55	Namarrgon	Are you trying to use gnome with X11 or wayland?
2024-04-11 16:32:46	vardo	X11 I think
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2024-04-11 16:33:22	vardo	about .xinitrc it's on a different machine which can't load gnome
2024-04-11 16:34:04	Namarrgon	You can still upload it to a paste service and give us the URL.
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2024-04-11 16:34:16	vardo	Ok
2024-04-11 16:34:18	vardo	!paste
2024-04-11 16:34:18	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-11 16:34:27	vardo	!0x0
2024-04-11 16:34:28	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
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2024-04-11 16:36:43	vardo	https://0x0.st/X-P0.txt
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2024-04-11 16:38:11	Namarrgon	Don't overwrite $DISPLAY and re-add the loop that sources the /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d scripts.
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2024-04-11 16:39:24	vardo	there is nothing in "xinitrc.d" and I added $DISPLAY because SysGhost mentioned it
2024-04-11 16:39:57	Namarrgon	that directory should not be empty
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2024-04-11 16:40:09	vardo	Sorry, my mistake, it does
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2024-04-11 16:40:33	vardo	I don't have the loop
2024-04-11 16:40:43	Namarrgon	It is in the stock xinitrc
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2024-04-11 16:42:44	vardo	https://0x0.st/X-P5.txt
2024-04-11 16:43:00	vardo	This is the updated .xinitrc
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2024-04-11 16:44:29	Namarrgon	That's better.
2024-04-11 16:44:35	vardo	Doesn't change anything though
2024-04-11 16:44:46	vardo	Sometimes startx will succeed, sometimes not
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2024-04-11 16:44:59	Namarrgon	"tree /etc/systemd/system"
2024-04-11 16:45:25	Namarrgon	Does 'lspci -k' show that the 'nvidia' module is in use for the nvidia gpu?
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2024-04-11 16:46:29	vardo	I see "VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation", this?
2024-04-11 16:46:35	lmat	It looks like DNS resolution is a service running as root (or some system account). Should it be done as my user account?
2024-04-11 16:46:49	Namarrgon	vardo: probably
2024-04-11 16:47:09	vardo	Namarrgon, "Kernel driver in use: nvidia"
2024-04-11 16:47:38	Namarrgon	vardo: What is in /proc/cmdline?
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2024-04-11 16:48:05	Namarrgon	lmat: Which service is that?
2024-04-11 16:49:20	vardo	Namarrgon: https://0x0.st/X-Ph.txt
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2024-04-11 16:51:01	Namarrgon	vardo: You didn't add the nvidia modules to the initramfs either?
2024-04-11 16:52:49	lmat	Namarrgon: I'm speaking in general or theoretically. I guess it would be systemd-resolved
2024-04-11 16:53:01	vardo	Namarrgon, I thought I did, let me check
2024-04-11 16:53:21	lmat	I guess the "system" needs a resolver, so it probably doesn't make sense to have one for the system and different ones for the users...
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2024-04-11 16:54:10	Namarrgon	What would be the benefit?
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2024-04-11 16:54:57	vardo	I followed "DRM kernel mode setting" instructions in nvidia wiki article
2024-04-11 16:55:17	Namarrgon	vardo: The kernel parameters for early-kms are missing.
2024-04-11 16:55:24	Namarrgon	Is this a laptop?
2024-04-11 16:55:40	vardo	laptop? who are you talking to? me?
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2024-04-11 16:56:07	Namarrgon	vardo: I'm talking to you now.
2024-04-11 16:56:17	vardo	Ah no, it's not
2024-04-11 16:57:45	vardo	"f using certain proprietary display drivers, kernel mode setting auto-detection will fail. In such cases, you must set needs_root_rights = no in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config."
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2024-04-11 16:57:51	vardo	I didn't do that
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2024-04-11 16:59:33	Namarrgon	Then try that too but you still want to configure early-kms properly.
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2024-04-11 17:01:23	vardo	Yeah sure, but how?
2024-04-11 17:02:21	Khorne	All the information is on the wiki
2024-04-11 17:02:31	vardo	What article though?
2024-04-11 17:02:35	Khorne	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#DRM_kernel_mode_setting
2024-04-11 17:02:35	vardo	"early-kms"?
2024-04-11 17:02:36	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-11 17:02:37	Khorne	pls
2024-04-11 17:02:49	vardo	I did that !
2024-04-11 17:03:07	vardo	I did it when I installed Arch
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2024-04-11 17:03:30	Khorne	Where did you set the kernel parameter?
2024-04-11 17:03:55	noobaroo	I just deleted everything in my /usr/bin except zsh
2024-04-11 17:03:57	vardo	cat /sys/module/nvidia_drm/parameters/modeset returns Y
2024-04-11 17:04:09	noobaroo	Is there a way to get it back without rebooting into a liveusb?
2024-04-11 17:04:13	Khorne	Did you run nvidia-xconfig
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2024-04-11 17:04:49	vardo	No?
2024-04-11 17:05:01	vardo	Should I add nvidia to initramfs then?
2024-04-11 17:05:30	Namarrgon	You just said that you already did that when you installed arch.
2024-04-11 17:05:33	Khorne	You said not 5 seconds ago that you did that..
2024-04-11 17:05:43	Khorne	I'm tired..
2024-04-11 17:05:43	Namarrgon	noobaroo: does pacman still work?
2024-04-11 17:05:45	vardo	No, I changed the kernel parameter,
2024-04-11 17:05:51	vardo	but I didn't do the rest
2024-04-11 17:06:00	Namarrgon	vardo: The kernel parameter alone does nothing, you need the modules in the initramfs, too.
2024-04-11 17:06:05	noobaroo	Namarrgon no
2024-04-11 17:06:11	vardo	Ah ok, doing it now
2024-04-11 17:06:18	Namarrgon	noobaroo: Boot the iso and reinstall everything.
2024-04-11 17:07:06	noobaroo	Namarrgon But existing applications still work, I have a wget process that is 93% and some dolphin windows still open and chromium open
2024-04-11 17:07:16	noobaroo	Is there a way to do this without rebooting ?
2024-04-11 17:07:28	noobaroo	I can't reboot until 2hrs from now
2024-04-11 17:07:43	Namarrgon	Do you have a backup?
2024-04-11 17:07:55	Namarrgon	The already running processes are fine until they stop.
2024-04-11 17:08:03	noobaroo	No but maybe there is a backup of /bin from online somewhere?
2024-04-11 17:08:19	Khorne	Yes, that's called 'the repositories'
2024-04-11 17:08:26	Khorne	You manage that backup with pacman
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2024-04-11 17:08:42	noobaroo	I don't have pacman right now
2024-04-11 17:08:48	Namarrgon	You can download a static pacman binary but you also broke gnupg and friends.
2024-04-11 17:09:09	noobaroo	Where from?
2024-04-11 17:09:29	noobaroo	I don't really need gnupg do I? Can't I just --skipinteg on everything?
2024-04-11 17:09:56	vardo	OK, honestly I have a hard time following the wiki here. Nvidia article redirects to mkinitcpio#MODULES but then it's not clear how I am supposed to add a module
2024-04-11 17:10:23	Namarrgon	noobaroo: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Using_pacman-static
2024-04-11 17:10:24	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-11 17:10:40	Namarrgon	vardo: Add the modules to the other modules in the MODULES array.
2024-04-11 17:10:51	vardo	Yes I read this but what's a modules array?
2024-04-11 17:11:11	Namarrgon	Are you looking at mkinitcpio.conf?
2024-04-11 17:11:14	vardo	Yes
2024-04-11 17:11:40	Namarrgon	Type MODULES into the search function.
2024-04-11 17:11:47	vardo	I see it
2024-04-11 17:12:19	vardo	MODULES=()
2024-04-11 17:12:33	noobaroo	Namarrgon its an AUR package and I don't have makepkg
2024-04-11 17:12:42	noobaroo	But I was able to download it and extract it
2024-04-11 17:12:49	noobaroo	I'm surprised extracting works tbh
2024-04-11 17:13:06	vardo	Namarrgon, MODULES=(nvidia) ?
2024-04-11 17:13:22	Namarrgon	vardo: You're just guessing instead of reading the wiki page.
2024-04-11 17:13:40	vardo	Namarrgon, which one? I don't see any clear indication of how I am supposed to add a module
2024-04-11 17:13:40	Namarrgon	noobaroo: How did you extract it?
2024-04-11 17:13:51	vardo	Namarrgon, all I read is "module array" and I don't know what that is
2024-04-11 17:13:58	Namarrgon	vardo: The nvidia page lists the modules that you need to add.
2024-04-11 17:14:16	Namarrgon	vardo: There is an example above the MODULES line in mkinitcpio.conf.
2024-04-11 17:14:40	noobaroo	Namarrgon Just by right clicking in dolphin and extract
2024-04-11 17:14:49	noobaroo	I'm surprised it works too
2024-04-11 17:15:04	Namarrgon	noobaroo: Then dolphin was already running before you murdered its on-disk binary.
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2024-04-11 17:15:15	noobaroo	Yes, but what about ark and friends?
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2024-04-11 17:15:33	noobaroo	I didn't know ark and compression binaries are all built into dolphin
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2024-04-11 17:15:58	noobaroo	Namarrgon Can't I just extract all the cached packages back into my bin?
2024-04-11 17:16:03	noobaroo	Where are they again?
2024-04-11 17:16:17	noobaroo	z /var/cache ?
2024-04-11 17:16:34	Namarrgon	yes
2024-04-11 17:16:57	Namarrgon	https://pkgbuild.com/~morganamilo/pacman-static/x86_64/bin/
2024-04-11 17:16:58	phrik	Title: Index of /~morganamilo/pacman-static/x86_64/bin/ (at pkgbuild.com)
2024-04-11 17:17:55	noobaroo	Tes!
2024-04-11 17:18:03	noobaroo	I have a pacman in my /var/cache
2024-04-11 17:18:22	noobaroo	Can you give me a short list of essential packages I need to install?
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2024-04-11 17:20:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-11 17:18:42	noobaroo	I guess I don't even need the static pacman if you can tell me what all normal pacman needs to run?
2024-04-11 17:18:51	noobaroo	Thanks Namarrgon
2024-04-11 17:19:28	Khorne	haha
2024-04-11 17:19:29	noobaroo	I can't even "open in new window" in dolphin, so idk how tf extracting works
2024-04-11 17:19:48	noobaroo	I can't even "open in new window" in dolphin, so idk how tf extracting works Namarrgon 
2024-04-11 17:20:05	noobaroo	(reposted because you left and tagged you at end)
2024-04-11 17:20:12	Namarrgon	That was that wrong button...
2024-04-11 17:20:35	Namarrgon	Well, anything that isn't already running is gone.
2024-04-11 17:20:45	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-11 17:21:46	vardo	Namarrgon, I added the 4 modules, I ran mkinitcpio -p linux, and rebooted.
2024-04-11 17:21:56	vardo	Namarrgon, now I'm adding pacman hook.
2024-04-11 17:22:05	Namarrgon	vardo: And the kernel parameter?
2024-04-11 17:22:25	vardo	Namarrgon, what about it? I said I changed it from the beginning, no?
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2024-04-11 17:22:37	Namarrgon	vardo: I didn't spot it in /proc/cmdline.
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2024-04-11 17:22:47	vardo	[17:03:54] <vardo> cat /sys/module/nvidia_drm/parameters/modeset returns Y
2024-04-11 17:22:47	Khorne	module option
2024-04-11 17:22:56	Khorne	i guess
2024-04-11 17:22:58	vardo	Ah
2024-04-11 17:23:01	vardo	Hmm
2024-04-11 17:23:03	vardo	Let me check
2024-04-11 17:23:07	Khorne	Well you did it..
2024-04-11 17:23:41	Khorne	Is this even arch?
2024-04-11 17:24:00	vardo	But seriously, why is this always so complicated to do something as basic as using a popular graphic card in Arch?
2024-04-11 17:24:07	Khorne	It really isn't tbh
2024-04-11 17:24:17	Khorne	No idea what you mangled so far
2024-04-11 17:24:18	vardo	I am spending hours just to install some basic stuff
2024-04-11 17:24:28	Khorne	I run an nvidia card and have no issues
2024-04-11 17:24:33	gog	same
2024-04-11 17:24:38	vardo	Good for you
2024-04-11 17:24:40	Namarrgon	You simply picked the wrong distro if you don't want to do any configuration.
2024-04-11 17:24:44	Khorne	^
2024-04-11 17:24:56	vardo	Possibly
2024-04-11 17:25:10	MacGyver	s/distro/GPU manufacturer/ :P
2024-04-11 17:25:16	Khorne	And fwiw, your configuration fixing so far included removing the defaults from your xinitrc..
2024-04-11 17:25:20	Khorne	MacGyver, fake news
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2024-04-11 17:25:56	vardo	Khorne, I imported the .xinitrc file I use on my laptop
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2024-04-11 17:26:21	Namarrgon	Now you have to fix your laptop's xinitrc, too.
2024-04-11 17:26:25	Khorne	:D
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2024-04-11 17:27:07	Khorne	Did we not put all the stuff in it just to fuck with people
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2024-04-11 17:28:40	noobaroo	Namarrgon I extracted my coreutils, zsh, alacritty, and chromium back into my system from  /var/cache/pacman/pkg
2024-04-11 17:28:51	vardo	Namarrgon, I don't see what I'm supposed to do about /proc/cmdline
2024-04-11 17:29:07	noobaroo	What else Namarrgon? Can you give me a short list
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2024-04-11 17:29:18	vardo	Namarrgon, I did what was written under "DRM kernel mode setting"
2024-04-11 17:29:18	noobaroo	Especially to get pacman to work?
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2024-04-11 17:29:47	noobaroo	Oh, and I got normal pacman from local cache, but its very small so im sure it depends on other things
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2024-04-11 17:30:05	noobaroo	What are all the C libraries called and what is the main QT dependencies called?
2024-04-11 17:30:27	Namarrgon	noobaroo: https://paste.xinu.at/ctsg2X that's for pacman
2024-04-11 17:30:34	Namarrgon	You also need to fix gnupg
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2024-04-11 17:31:09	Namarrgon	vardo: You have to add the module option that enables early-kms to the kernel parameters in your bootloader's config.
2024-04-11 17:31:32	Namarrgon	If done right it will show up with the rest in /proc/cmdline
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2024-04-11 17:35:17	noobaroo	What provides ld-linux-x86-64.so? pacman -F returns nothing for some reason
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2024-04-11 17:36:03	vardo	Namarrgon, I don't understand. What I did, is to create a file in /etc/modprobe.d named 'nvidia.conf' that sets modeset and fbdev to 1
2024-04-11 17:36:28	Qgel	I seem to have screwed up my bootloader. I added the 'nvidia_drm.modeset=1' parameter in /etc/default/grub and ran 'grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg'. My system now bootloops. I am EFI dual-booting windows, and I can still boot into windows directly from my BIOS. I'm not sure how to proceed to try to recover the system, so any help would be
2024-04-11 17:36:28	Qgel	appreciated.
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2024-04-11 17:37:01	Namarrgon	vardo: Then why didn't you say so the first time?
2024-04-11 17:37:03	noobaroo	Oh nvm
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2024-04-11 17:37:10	noobaroo	I only need stuff in /bin
2024-04-11 17:37:14	Namarrgon	Qgel: is this an old-ish system?
2024-04-11 17:37:22	Qgel	Namarrgon yes
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2024-04-11 17:37:25	Namarrgon	noobaroo: /bin is a symlink to /usr/bin
2024-04-11 17:37:31	Namarrgon	Qgel: did you read the grub news?
2024-04-11 17:37:40	vardo	Namarrgon, I don't understand what we're talking about in the first place.
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2024-04-11 17:38:25	Namarrgon	Qgel: https://archlinux.org/news/grub-bootloader-upgrade-and-configuration-incompatibilities/
2024-04-11 17:38:26	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Grub bootloader upgrade and configuration incompatibilities (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-11 17:39:38	Qgel	Namarrgon I did not see that news. Thanks. I assume I now have to boot from some recovery media and perform those steps?
2024-04-11 17:40:08	Namarrgon	Qgel: You have to run grub-install somehow, yes.
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2024-04-11 17:40:53	vardo	[17:31:06] <Namarrgon> vardo: You have to add the module option that enables early-kms to the kernel parameters in your bootloader's config.
2024-04-11 17:41:13	vardo	Is this nvidia_drm.modeset or not?
2024-04-11 17:41:35	Namarrgon	Yes, it is.
2024-04-11 17:41:58	vardo	Then why doesn't it appear in the thing you asked me to look at, /proc/cmdline?
2024-04-11 17:42:18	vardo	I followed "DRM kernel mode setting"
2024-04-11 17:42:25	Namarrgon	Because you're setting it not via the kernel parameters.
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2024-04-11 17:43:02	vardo	I clicked on the wiki link "kernel module parameter" and I followed (I think) instructions there
2024-04-11 17:43:24	vardo	"To pass a parameter to a kernel module, you can pass them manually with modprobe or assure certain parameters are always applied using a modprobe configuration file or by using the kernel command line"
2024-04-11 17:43:38	vardo	As I said, I created a file in Using files in /etc/modprobe.d/
2024-04-11 17:43:49	Namarrgon	Yes, i got that now.
2024-04-11 17:43:49	Qgel	Namarrgon makes sense. I have an encrypted volume (but not encrypted /boot) setup. will I be able to just run grub-install from the rescue medium, or should I try to mount my encrypted volume somehow?
2024-04-11 17:44:22	Namarrgon	Qgel: You have to unlock your /-fs, grub-install is in there.
2024-04-11 17:44:59	Namarrgon	You could probably remove the offending part from grub.cfg manually, boot into the system that way, and then run grub-install.
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2024-04-11 17:46:23	noobaroo	Namarrgon Why is sudo saying my password is incorrect?
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2024-04-11 17:47:00	Qgel	Thanks. I'll see if I can figure out what the offending part of the grub.cfg is
2024-04-11 17:47:24	noobaroo	I installed openssl, pam, and some other dependencies I saw from the website but they only contained /lib/* which I don't need anyway
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2024-04-11 17:51:03	vardo	Namarrgon, is there anything I should do to fix this /proc/cmdline? I read a few wiki articles but I have no idea what I did wrong
2024-04-11 17:53:10	jp	vardo: /proc/cmdline is what you booted with, if you use /etc/modprobe.d/ that is after boot and not reflected there
2024-04-11 17:53:57	Furai	!w doh
2024-04-11 17:53:58	phrik	Furai: D'oh! - Wikipedia - D'oh! D'oh! D'oh! " D'oh! " ( / doʊʔ /) is the most famous catchphrase used by the fictional character Homer Simpson, from The Simpsons, an animated sitcom. It is an exclamation typically used after Homer injures himself, realizes that he has done something foolish, or when something bad has happened or is about to happen to him.
2024-04-11 17:53:58	phrik	<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27oh%21>, Department of Health  (3 more messages)
2024-04-11 17:54:05	vardo	jp, thanks. So it's okay or it's not okay? I'm still confused
2024-04-11 17:54:24	Furai	Ok that was wrong command, wanted to search arch wiki for DoH.
2024-04-11 17:55:06	ttnk	good morning, after the last update whatsdesk stopped working i get this errors    update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for x-www-browser    libva error: /usr/lib/dri/iHD_drv_video.so init failed     any idea on how to fix it?
2024-04-11 17:55:08	jp	vardo: okay meaning did you load the module with the right options? 
2024-04-11 17:55:31	vardo	jp: yes
2024-04-11 17:55:44	jp	vardo: you can check with modinfo i believe
2024-04-11 17:57:37	Furai	Nice, didn't know that BIND now supports DoT and DoH out of the box.
2024-04-11 17:58:51	vardo	jp, I see two parameters using 'modinfo nvidia_drm', modeset and fbdev, although it's not clear for me if it's reading values or not. It says "parm: modeset: enable atomic kernel modesetting (1= enable, 0=disable(default)) (bool)". It looks like a description of the parameter, not a value
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2024-04-11 18:00:33	vardo	jp, however ls /sys/module/nvidia_drm/parameters return both parameters, and if I cat them, I get 'Y'
2024-04-11 18:00:53	jp	vardo: you did it right then, if you wanted both enabled
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2024-04-11 18:01:26	vardo	jp: I'm not sure what I wanted, I just followed "drm kernel mode setting" in nvidia article
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2024-04-11 18:02:07	vardo	jp: but I think it was because I wanted to run wayland with Nvidia that I did it in the first place, but I'm using x11, so maybe that's not relevant
2024-04-11 18:03:37	jp	vardo: apparently you need modeset=1 for wayland compositors
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2024-04-11 18:05:48	chiselfuse	https://github.com/WerWolv/ImHex
2024-04-11 18:05:55	chiselfuse	it says it has an official package for arch
2024-04-11 18:06:03	chiselfuse	it's a mistake isn't it?
2024-04-11 18:06:06	chiselfuse	can only find on aur
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2024-04-11 18:07:26	Qgel	Namarrgon from the news entry it looks like the issue is with the 'fwsetup' command. Can I simply take out the whole section dealing with it (generated from 30_uefi-firmware) from grub.cfg?
2024-04-11 18:07:35	flatrute	chiselfuse: by "official package" they mean download their package on github releases and install it manually
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2024-04-11 18:08:58	Namarrgon	Qgel: yes, that should work.
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2024-04-11 18:09:13	vardo	OK, this changes nothing at all, I'm still getting gnome-session to not run and I only have a cross when I use startx from time to time
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2024-04-11 18:09:38	Namarrgon	vardo: When that happens again look at the xorg log in the user's journal.
2024-04-11 18:09:41	jp	vardo: xorg logs please
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2024-04-11 18:09:59	vardo	ok thanks
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2024-04-11 18:12:56	vardo	"failed to start portal service" is the error because it's in red?
2024-04-11 18:13:57	jp	vardo: the whole log would be more helpful
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2024-04-11 18:16:57	vardo	Journal log -> https://0x0.st/X-Z9.txt
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2024-04-11 18:17:57	jp	vardo: could you also share /var/log/Xorg.0.log
2024-04-11 18:18:06	vardo	Ok thanks
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2024-04-11 18:18:22	g105b	Greetings all. I've recently switched to Archlinux using Gnome, loving it so far. There's one thing I can't figure out though: new windows are sometimes displayed behind the current window. Worst case example: In Firefox, I download a zip, then I click the download icon to show the list of downloads, and I click the folder icon to open the Downloads folder. I sit there waiting for it to appear,
2024-04-11 18:18:22	g105b	but it's actually opened
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2024-04-11 18:18:42	g105b	_behind_ Firefox, so I can't see it. Any ideas?
2024-04-11 18:18:44	grawity	does a notification "<someapp> is ready" show up instead?
2024-04-11 18:18:48	grawity	is this x11 or wayland?
2024-04-11 18:18:49	Qgel	Namarrgon that worked :). One more question about grub-install: the --efi-directory should point to the mountpoint of the efi partition, not the EFI folder within it, correct? I wasn't 100% clear from the wiki
2024-04-11 18:19:04	g105b	grawity: No, I don't see that notification, and it's on both x11 and wayland.
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2024-04-11 18:19:14	Namarrgon	Qgel: Right, it points to the mountpoint of the ESP.
2024-04-11 18:19:30	vardo	Xorg.0.log log -> https://0x0.st/X-ZO.txt
2024-04-11 18:19:49	vardo	HMmm no
2024-04-11 18:19:52	jp	lol
2024-04-11 18:20:01	vardo	Xorg.0.log log -> https://0x0.st/X-ZO.0.log
2024-04-11 18:20:08	vardo	Sorry
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2024-04-11 18:20:27	chiselfuse	flatrute: would you recommend i install imhex-bin instead of imhex from aur then? or is the source build better?
2024-04-11 18:21:12	Ingar	in general, only use the -bin as a last resort
2024-04-11 18:21:38	chiselfuse	Ingar: do you know the context though?
2024-04-11 18:21:39	flatrute	chiselfuse: the source build has dotnet dependency which i despise, so i would go for imhex-bin though i can just not use helper and edit out the dependency manually
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2024-04-11 18:22:28	Ingar	chiselfuse: "would you recommend i install imhex-bin instead of imhex from aur then? or is the source build better?"
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2024-04-11 18:23:21	chiselfuse	Ingar:  https://github.com/WerWolv/ImHex  i meant that the guy has releases built for arch already here
2024-04-11 18:23:49	chiselfuse	flatrute: a bit icked now that you made me aware that it has dotnet, how do i unsee?
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2024-04-11 18:32:53	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-11 18:32:53	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1473 nicks (2 ops, 0 voiced, 1471 regular)
2024-04-11 18:24:40	Ingar	chiselfuse: releasing a binary package for arch is rather useless, of some dependency changes you
2024-04-11 18:24:47	Ingar	*you need to recompile anyway
2024-04-11 18:25:07	jp	vardo: how many video cards do you have?
2024-04-11 18:25:36	chiselfuse	s/of/if/
2024-04-11 18:25:43	Ingar	chiselfuse: that too
2024-04-11 18:25:46	g105b	grawity: I just realised that I have my notifications muted - so yes, I do get the "Files is ready" notification when I clic kthe downloads button. Is this a known feature? Any way I can turn it off?
2024-04-11 18:26:02	Qgel	Namarrgon Nice, everything back to working. Thanks a lot for your help!
2024-04-11 18:26:21	grawity	g105b: it's the "focus stealing prevention" feature having a case of False Positive
2024-04-11 18:26:22	Ingar	chiselfuse: e.g. 
2024-04-11 18:26:24	chiselfuse	Ingar: :P
2024-04-11 18:26:30	Ingar	imhex-1.33.2-ArchLinux-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst  is three weeks old, It might not work any more
2024-04-11 18:27:04	grawity	i.e. the thing that prevents apps from stealing focus while typing so you accidentally type into them instead
2024-04-11 18:27:06	grawity	I'm not entirely sure about what causes such false positives though
2024-04-11 18:27:26	g105b	grawity: Another big issue with a false positive is the popup of my password manager - it pops up _in front_ of Firefox, but has no focus, so when I type my master password, it is entered into the website I'm logging in to - very bad for security!
2024-04-11 18:27:49	grawity	it would be very bad if the opposite happened, too
2024-04-11 18:28:41	vardo	jp: I think two, some Intel and Nvidia
2024-04-11 18:28:45	g105b	I'm not sure about that - there is no "window" as such with my password manager, so nothing to Alt+Tab to, forcing me to have to use the mouse to physically click the new window.
2024-04-11 18:28:59	jp	vardo: could you try https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA_Optimus#Use_NVIDIA_graphics_only
2024-04-11 18:29:01	phrik	Title: NVIDIA Optimus - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-11 18:29:08	vardo	jp, sure
2024-04-11 18:29:27	g105b	grawity: so, is "focus stealing prevention" a feature of Arch, Gnome, or something else? I would like to disable it completely.
2024-04-11 18:29:51	grawity	yeah until you're doing the opposite and typing in an SSH password or something and suddenly a new window pops up and you start typing into that
2024-04-11 18:30:21	grawity	IIRC the thing breaking down has to do with the way apps are started
2024-04-11 18:30:27	g105b	In my experience, windows don't tend to just pop up unexpectedly in Linux.
2024-04-11 18:30:45	grawity	they do when you open an app and it takes a while to open
2024-04-11 18:30:50	grawity	anyway, install dconf-editor and search for a gsetting related to that
2024-04-11 18:31:49	g105b	grawity: I've already checked the `/org/gnome/desktop/wm/preferences/focus-new-windows` is "strict" already.
2024-04-11 18:31:54	jp	vardo: and also do you have `exec gnome-session` somewhere in your .xinitrc for startx? 
2024-04-11 18:32:00	g105b	Maybe "strict" isn't what I want?
2024-04-11 18:32:04	jp	vardo: or do you use a display manager?
2024-04-11 18:32:41	vardo	jp: yes I have exec gnome-session, no display manager, just x
2024-04-11 18:32:53	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-11 18:32:56	vardo	jp: what does this mean --> " Then, configure /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-nvidia-drm-outputclass.conf the options of which will be combined with the package provided /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-nvidia-drm-outputclass.conf to provide compatibility with this setup. "
2024-04-11 18:33:05	chiselfuse	Ingar: yea i get it, i'd have to pin it if any dep updates and breaks it
2024-04-11 18:33:18	vardo	jp: I don't understand what the combination is about
2024-04-11 18:33:20	chiselfuse	s/it/everything/
2024-04-11 18:33:24	g105b	Ah, I think "strict" is the opposite of what I want - it means it strictly doesn't let anything grab focus.
2024-04-11 18:33:28	flatrute	chiselfuse: if i remember the dotnet dependency is for some extensions that you probably do not need so you can just not building them
2024-04-11 18:33:59	jp	vardo: it just means both configs are used, and to put the text there into /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-nvidia-drm-outputclass.conf
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2024-04-11 18:35:17	vardo	jp: but /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-nvidia-drm-outputclass.conf does not contain the line about primarygpu?
2024-04-11 18:35:28	grawity	ls
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2024-04-11 18:36:40	g105b	Oh, no "strict" reads like it is what I want, but it's already set to that with no effect.
2024-04-11 18:36:44	jp	vardo: no, /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-nvidia-drm-outputclass.conf should not contain the text there
2024-04-11 18:37:11	jp	vardo: it's just saying both configs with be used with the /usr one coming with the package, and the /etc one you make
2024-04-11 18:37:26	vardo	jp: ok thanks
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2024-04-11 18:39:55	vardo	jp: ok so I did everything, and still doesn't work, I get the X cursor on a black background. Should I paste the journal & xorg log?
2024-04-11 18:40:26	jp	hm
2024-04-11 18:40:44	jp	vardo: yes
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2024-04-11 18:43:09	vardo	Hmmm
2024-04-11 18:43:14	Gnana	anyone have installed https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/spotify ?
2024-04-11 18:43:16	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - spotify (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-04-11 18:43:19	vardo	0x0.set returns the same URL
2024-04-11 18:43:25	vardo	0x0.st
2024-04-11 18:43:27	Tom^	Gnana: what about it
2024-04-11 18:43:40	Gnana	wait. let me paste the error.
2024-04-11 18:43:43	vardo	Is it possible it identified that Xorg.0.log didn't change?
2024-04-11 18:44:07	Gnana	Tom^: Gnana@Yogi ~ $ spotify
2024-04-11 18:44:09	Gnana	/opt/spotify/spotify: /usr/lib/libcurl-gnutls.so.4: no version information available (required by /opt/spotify/spotify)
2024-04-11 18:44:25	Tom^	Gnana: not an error
2024-04-11 18:44:32	Gnana	how to fix it?
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2024-04-11 18:45:27	vardo	jp: so Xorg.0.log didn't change, and this is the journal --> https://0x0.st/X-Z6.txt
2024-04-11 18:45:33	jp	weird
2024-04-11 18:45:56	vardo	jp: why? Is Xorg.0.log supposed to change?
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2024-04-11 18:47:28	Namarrgon	gnome logs to the journal and the xorg log also ends up there.
2024-04-11 18:47:34	vardo	jp: Xorg.0.log has not been updated for 24 hours
2024-04-11 18:48:04	vardo	Namarrgon, so Xorg.0.log is irrelevant?
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2024-04-11 18:48:27	Namarrgon	In this case, yes.
2024-04-11 18:48:52	Namarrgon	And since you forced rootless xorg the log would be in ~/.local/share/xorg anyway
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2024-04-11 18:50:01	vardo	lol
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2024-04-11 18:50:23	vardo	There is indeed a more recent file there
2024-04-11 18:50:29	vardo	I'm pasting it
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2024-04-11 18:52:35	vardo	Local Xorg.0.log -> https://0x0.st/X-Z5.txt
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2024-04-11 18:53:41	Tom^	Gnana: you dont, if im not mistaken its because of omitting "--enable-versioned-symbols" from curl itself because otherwise software requires a rebuild towards the shipped version it provides, thats doable unless its closed source things like spotify
2024-04-11 18:54:16	Tom^	Gnana: its not an error anyhow
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2024-04-11 18:56:57	jp	vardo: i don't see anything that stands out, maybe someone else will come along and help
2024-04-11 18:57:23	vardo	ok: thanks anyway
2024-04-11 18:57:30	vardo	jp: ok: thanks anyway
2024-04-11 18:57:32	jp	np
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2024-04-11 18:58:16	Namarrgon	Why do you have an xorg.conf?
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2024-04-11 18:59:04	vardo	I think it's better I ran nvidia-settings?
2024-04-11 18:59:09	Namarrgon	Is there an intergrated gpu, too? The log lists two gpus.
2024-04-11 18:59:09	vardo	*it's because
2024-04-11 18:59:17	vardo	I think yes
2024-04-11 18:59:29	Namarrgon	Move xorg.conf away.
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2024-04-11 19:00:42	vardo	Sorry, it was nvidia-xconfig
2024-04-11 19:00:57	vardo	Do I still remove xorg.conf?
2024-04-11 19:01:24	vardo	Also, it's really that it work like once every two or three trials
2024-04-11 19:01:32	vardo	*really strange
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2024-04-11 19:03:59	vardo	Now it worked 5 times in a row (startx then logging out from gnome), then it didn't
2024-04-11 19:04:47	vardo	Is there a way to exit X with the X pointer btw? The only way I found is to log in tty2, ps -all and kill gnome
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2024-04-11 19:05:58	vardo	Maybe I should add that I never succeeded in running GDM on this installation
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2024-04-11 19:06:28	teraflops	vardo: use gdm I guess
2024-04-11 19:06:36	vardo	teraflops, I can't
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2024-04-11 19:06:47	SatoruGojo	Hello guys
2024-04-11 19:06:51	teraflops	you have a lot of troubles ;)
2024-04-11 19:06:56	SatoruGojo	what?
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2024-04-11 19:07:02	teraflops	SatoruGojo: not for you
2024-04-11 19:07:03	vardo	teraflops, I get a sort of fixed cursor on a black screen
2024-04-11 19:07:09	SatoruGojo	ohh
2024-04-11 19:07:16	vardo	teraflops, and then I can't even switch to VT2
2024-04-11 19:07:45	teraflops	I have never had such isssues on my nvidia powered desktop
2024-04-11 19:08:19	SatoruGojo	nvidia problems as always
2024-04-11 19:08:24	teraflops	not here
2024-04-11 19:08:56	SatoruGojo	i genuinely hate nvidia
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2024-04-11 19:09:12	teraflops	I like cats
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2024-04-11 19:09:38	SatoruGojo	I have a dog but i do like cats to
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2024-04-11 19:09:58	vardo	Happy ending
2024-04-11 19:10:04	teraflops	heh
2024-04-11 19:10:08	SatoruGojo	lol
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2024-04-11 19:25:10	gehidore	Winning!
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2024-04-11 19:27:07	SatoruGojo	keep winning son
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2024-04-11 19:36:19	Amoz	hmm, I can't remember doing anything with my firefox log settings.. Does anyone happen know why my firefox would spam insane amounts of "DEBUG neqo_transport::send_stream" in journalctl and how I can quiet it down a little?
2024-04-11 19:36:34	another|	fm
2024-04-11 19:36:36	another|	oops
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2024-04-11 19:41:58	@alad	that sounds like a bug
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2024-04-11 19:42:05	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [-ooo alad alad alad] by alad
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2024-04-11 19:46:42	freesoftowner	I'm in
2024-04-11 19:46:55	freesoftowner	as requested
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2024-04-11 19:48:24	phrik	Greetings, traveller of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get ruined today?
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2024-04-11 19:48:44	another|	this is also not a social channel
2024-04-11 19:49:35	SatoruGojo	lol i was right
2024-04-11 19:49:45	freesoftowner	!welcomerpg
2024-04-11 19:49:45	phrik	Greetings, observer of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get borked on this day?
2024-04-11 19:49:48	freesoftowner	!welcomerpg
2024-04-11 19:49:49	phrik	Greetings, observer of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get ruined on this day?
2024-04-11 19:49:51	freesoftowner	!welcomerpg
2024-04-11 19:49:51	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
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2024-04-11 19:50:02	freesoftowner	!welcomerpg
2024-04-11 19:50:02	◣	EMIYA has kicked freesoftowner (flood limit)
2024-04-11 19:50:03	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux - How can we assist you?
2024-04-11 19:50:03	alad	ok buddy
2024-04-11 19:50:10	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [+o alad] by ChanServ
2024-04-11 19:50:11	SatoruGojo	that escalated quickly
2024-04-11 19:50:17	⚡ 	another| pats EMIYA
2024-04-11 19:50:21	another|	Good bot.
2024-04-11 19:50:26	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [+b $a:freesoftowner] by alad
2024-04-11 19:50:29	@alad	just for some dramatic effect
2024-04-11 19:50:32	@alad	 : - D
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2024-04-11 19:50:57	@alad	EMIYA's reputation will now be even more feared
2024-04-11 19:51:05	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [-oooo alad alad alad alad] by alad
2024-04-11 19:51:09	MacGyver	SatoruGojo: You caused this.
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2024-04-11 19:51:20	MacGyver	SatoruGojo: And it's not appreciated.
2024-04-11 19:51:30	SatoruGojo	i thought you guys are gonna be nice
2024-04-11 19:51:30	another|	alad: quadrouple OP?
2024-04-11 19:51:47	SatoruGojo	you were to me
2024-04-11 19:51:52	alad	another|: I need to show off my abilities
2024-04-11 19:51:56	another|	heh
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2024-04-11 19:52:30	SatoruGojo	hes asking for unban he won't do again
2024-04-11 19:52:38	alad	: O
2024-04-11 19:52:43	alad	are you guys brothers
2024-04-11 19:52:49	SatoruGojo	no
2024-04-11 19:53:02	Amoz	alad, "sounds like a bug", did you mean my post?
2024-04-11 19:53:11	alad	yessir
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2024-04-11 19:55:38	vardo	Just in case someone else would have an idea, as I mentioned this earlier today: I cannot use a number of shortcuts on nano with tmux nor screen. Key modifiers won't apply to arrows, and nano will work as if I only press the arrows, without Ctrl or shift.
2024-04-11 19:56:03	vardo	This is in linux kernel console, frame buffer.
2024-04-11 19:56:54	Amoz	when looking back it seems to have been spamming since 24th of march. I would've expected it to be caught by _someone_ else by now.. more likely i screwed something up!
2024-04-11 20:00:41	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [+o litharge] by ChanServ
2024-04-11 20:00:42	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [-bo $a:freesoftowner litharge] by litharge
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2024-04-11 20:02:38	MacGyver	Amoz: You assume people read logs.
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2024-04-11 20:03:11	MacGyver	Amoz: Did you happen to update / upgrade firefox around that time?
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2024-04-11 20:06:11	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-11 20:23:14	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-11 20:10:44	Amoz	i'll have to look into pacman history for that. I guess this should be easy to verify if i just try a new arch install, or reset my firefox settings etc..
2024-04-11 20:12:54	MacGyver	Amoz: You could create a second firefox profile.
2024-04-11 20:15:14	Tom^	Amoz: echo $RUST_LOG
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2024-04-11 21:56:55	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-11 22:29:35	aljustiet	how can I add the psmouse.proto=bare to kernel parameters?
2024-04-11 22:30:38	mpan	aljustiet: which bootloader do you use? In GRUB, “/etc/default/grub” → `GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT`.
2024-04-11 22:30:57	aljustiet	mpan: limine
2024-04-11 22:32:22	noobaroo	Hi, im trying to build vlc-git but I keep getting an error that QT Runtime dependencies are missing
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2024-04-11 22:32:44	noobaroo	The problem is, I can't figure which package I need to install
2024-04-11 22:33:51	mpan	aljustiet: I don’t know limine, but take a look at <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Limine#Configuration>. There is a `CMDLINE` option, which looks like kernel options.
2024-04-11 22:33:52	phrik	Title: Limine - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-11 22:35:46	mpan	I can’t quickly locate any documentation for limine, so I can’t help beyond that. You will have to wait for some limine user, if that hint wasn’t enough.
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2024-04-11 22:38:35	vardo	Hi again. I'm having a problem with my motherboard Bluetooth. Is there a way to deactivate it while I try a bluetooth usb dongle instead?
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2024-04-11 22:46:02	MacGyver	vardo: rfkill?
2024-04-11 22:46:54	vardo	MacGyver, thank you
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2024-04-11 22:50:46	teraflops	noobaroo: how are you building it?
2024-04-11 22:51:47	noobaroo	I tried makepkg and I tried from source tarball manually
2024-04-11 22:51:56	noobaroo	Both give same error
2024-04-11 22:52:01	teraflops	tried an aur helper?
2024-04-11 22:52:30	noobaroo	Those things are too bloated for my preferences, but i guess its worth a shot
2024-04-11 22:52:43	noobaroo	I havent used one in years, which do you recommend?
2024-04-11 22:52:56	teraflops	well yay -S vlc-git garbs everything here and start building the package
2024-04-11 22:52:57	noobaroo	Last I used was packer I think
2024-04-11 22:53:07	teraflops	grabs^
2024-04-11 22:54:26	Pkk3wN	vardo: what problem specifically
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2024-04-11 22:54:30	noobaroo	https://0x0.st/X-bZ.c 
2024-04-11 22:55:03	noobaroo	If you look near the bottom it says I am missing QtQml.Models , QtQml.WorkerScript , and some other stuff
2024-04-11 22:55:27	noobaroo	But from some googling it looks like they are provided by qt5-declarative and qt6-declarative and I have both installed already
2024-04-11 22:55:38	vardo	PkkwN: the audio is broken both on windows and linux
2024-04-11 22:55:46	noobaroo	I reinstalled and didnt help, and then removed and installed and still didnt help
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2024-04-11 22:55:48	vardo	Pkk3wN, ^
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2024-04-11 22:56:31	noobaroo	teraflops I'm guessing there is some sort of environment variable to show the path to these things? That i need to set?
2024-04-11 22:56:34	Pkk3wN	vardo: try fully unplug the pc, hold down the power button for like 30sec while its off, then plug in and turn on normally
2024-04-11 22:56:49	teraflops	noobaroo: no idea
2024-04-11 22:56:58	Pkk3wN	also are you sure that the bluetooth is not missing the antennae (if desktop)
2024-04-11 22:57:23	Pkk3wN	vardo: what cpu do you have?
2024-04-11 22:57:34	Pkk3wN	and what kind of issue
2024-04-11 22:58:32	Pkk3wN	a cold boot fixes when the bluetooth controller is put into some invalid state / power state
2024-04-11 22:58:39	Pkk3wN	sometimes can even be missing
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2024-04-11 23:04:17	vardo	OK, didn't change anything
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2024-04-11 23:06:22	demonicmaniac1	noobaroo: are you sure you have all deps installed? the pkgbuild lists qt6-5compat as dep
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2024-04-11 23:06:52	noobaroo	demonicmaniac1 I have that installed
2024-04-11 23:07:37	noobaroo	I'm installing qtcreator right now to see if it will help. Some offtopic googling seems to suggest that it might fix the issue
2024-04-11 23:07:54	noobaroo	I'm a little skeptical because it's not listed as a dependency, but idk what else to try
2024-04-11 23:08:10	demonicmaniac1	pkgbuilds can be wrong. but your output lists as qt5 compat not found
2024-04-11 23:08:11	Namarrgon	Did you recover everything after removing /usr/bin/*? Does -Qkk come back clean?
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2024-04-11 23:08:14	demonicmaniac1	that's why i asked
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2024-04-11 23:11:23	noobaroo	Namarrgon, yeah I reinstalled all packages with `pacman -Qqn | pacman -S -`
2024-04-11 23:11:36	g105b	When installing Arch, there's a lovely option to choose the graphics card driver. Is it possible to change my choice after installation?
2024-04-11 23:12:00	teraflops	g105b: you mean using the install script?
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2024-04-11 23:12:09	Namarrgon	noobaroo: All the unofficial packages, too?
2024-04-11 23:12:16	noobaroo	I was having this problem before I deleted /bin by accident, this is actually why I accidentally deleted /bin because I installed a opensuse tumbleweed vlc4 binary and it didnt work
2024-04-11 23:12:20	g105b	teraflops: `archinstall` does a lovely job at making it easy to pick the driver.
2024-04-11 23:12:38	noobaroo	Then I tried to delete the opensuse files by using `find` command, and I deleted /bin by accident
2024-04-11 23:12:42	teraflops	g105b: and now you have to read the wiki  I'm afraid
2024-04-11 23:13:03	noobaroo	So this problem pre-exists me deleting /bin
2024-04-11 23:13:04	SatoruGojo	archlistall script does not work for me
2024-04-11 23:13:29	noobaroo	Namarrgon as far as I can tell, everything is back to normal completely
2024-04-11 23:14:02	Namarrgon	Don't use archinstall, or any other install script, for your first arch install, follow the Installation guide.
2024-04-11 23:14:09	SatoruGojo	yeah i did it seems that it does not work on my laptop it give errors
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2024-04-11 23:17:09	noobaroo	Namarrgon I ran pacman -Qkk. I have never heard of this command before. I'm trying to interpret it because the list is hella long
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2024-04-11 23:18:32	SatoruGojo	i don't know the errors it was long ago i tried 3 or 4 times i had no choice but to install manually
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2024-04-11 23:20:36	noobaroo	There's a lot of size mismatches, permissions mismatches, and sha256 mismatches
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2024-04-11 23:20:49	noobaroo	But I don't see anything related to QT
2024-04-11 23:21:09	noobaroo	This command reminded me to install 7zip and rar so thats nice
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2024-04-12 00:45:59	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-12 00:45:59	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1443 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1442 regular)
2024-04-12 00:44:54	Dragoon	Is there a problem with the IPXE efi?
2024-04-12 00:45:04	Dragoon	It's failing to decompress the kernel in a VM
2024-04-12 00:45:59	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-12 01:20:56	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-12 01:20:56	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-12 01:40:42	noobaroo	Namarrgon xdg-document-portal was maxing out cpu usage one one of my processors and causing my fan to have a loud sound, and when I killed it, it just respawned itself with the same issues immediately
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2024-04-12 01:41:04	noobaroo	I made it not-executable and killed it but now my task bar doesn't work
2024-04-12 01:41:40	noobaroo	Does my taskbar really depend on this to function? 
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2024-04-12 01:45:25	Namarrgon	Does the taskbar start working if you set xdg-document-portal to executable again?
2024-04-12 01:45:33	Namarrgon	Your system is a total mess.
2024-04-12 01:47:20	teraflops	noobaroo: out of curiosity, which bar is this?
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2024-04-12 11:40:07	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-12 11:40:07	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1455 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1454 regular)
2024-04-12 02:24:17	jensen	systemd user unit fails with "Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NameHasNoOwner: Could not activate remote peer: unit failed", any ideas? it should notify-send a message on system startup but doesn't unless i restart the service. i'm on Wayland using mako notification daemon. this is the service: https://0x0.st/X-TB.txt
2024-04-12 02:26:20	gaku	jensen: include logs, but there's a chance you're starting that service too early
2024-04-12 02:28:43	gaku	your gui startup looks custom, I can only make rough guesses
2024-04-12 02:32:54	monr0e	I'm trying to build a slightly older version of kodi-standalone-service from the aur, but I keep running into cmake falling over itself. I can't seem to add a set of args into the CMakeLists file, becaue every time I run makepkg it overwrites teh old src directory. What do?
2024-04-12 02:33:32	monr0e	the specific output of cmake, called from kapepkg -si, is "Could NOT find Threads (missing: Threads_FOUND)"
2024-04-12 02:34:25	jensen	log: https://0x0.st/X-TQ.txt, graphical-init.service runs on Sway (wayland compositor) is started to run some basic programs: https://0x0.st/X-T2.txt . i already have After=mako.service to run it after the notification daemon is started
2024-04-12 02:43:21	gaku	jensen: that isn't the journal, again, too incomplete
2024-04-12 02:43:43	gaku	you may think the unit is alright, but it's clearly starting too early, that only restarting it later manages to make it work
2024-04-12 02:46:14	gaku	typical setups have dbus on socket activation, and mako is the same
2024-04-12 02:52:55	gaku	jensen: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=292105
2024-04-12 02:52:56	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] notify-send errors / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-04-12 02:54:58	gaku	jensen: why relevant? because there's a chance your service is trying to trigger mako before sway is up. are there any errors pertaining mako on the logs?
2024-04-12 02:57:34	gaku	jensen: actually, 'RequiredBy=syncthing.service graphical-init.service mako.service' this is probably the cause of it
2024-04-12 02:58:08	jensen	`journalctl --user-unit` shows the log? shows the same info: https://0x0.st/X-Tt.txt. for the rest of my systemd user units i make sure graphical session (Sway) is started up in time with After=
2024-04-12 02:59:09	gaku	jensen: your service is making itself a requires for mako, so mako won't start until your service starts, but your service requires mako for the notification
2024-04-12 02:59:55	Gnana	systemctl --user start mako
2024-04-12 03:02:27	aljustiet	I set the dolphin as default file manager using the `xdg-mime default org.kde.dolphin.desktop inode/directory`. But when I try to open the torrent file in the qbittorrent it doesn't use the dolphin.
2024-04-12 03:02:38	aljustiet	Instead it uses file manager similar to nautilus
2024-04-12 03:02:49	gaku	aljustiet: built-in file selector
2024-04-12 03:02:50	aljustiet	Same with firefom
2024-04-12 03:02:55	gaku	part of gtk
2024-04-12 03:03:03	gaku	or qt, it also has it's own
2024-04-12 03:03:14	aljustiet	gaku: Can I change it?
2024-04-12 03:03:17	gaku	nope
2024-04-12 03:03:26	gaku	at least not afaik
2024-04-12 03:03:26	aljustiet	:-(
2024-04-12 03:04:44	aljustiet	It is the first part of the issue. The gtk file manager they call has the scaling for my external monitor, even on the built-in screen
2024-04-12 03:04:56	aljustiet	It's large
2024-04-12 03:06:48	Numero	it seems that the network connection applet in kde/plasma no l;onger gives you a place to enter a challenge code after entering username and password. the right window appears, but nowhere to enter the code
2024-04-12 03:08:17	Numero	tried stretching the window downwards, there's a rectangle that looks like an entry blank but it's not one
2024-04-12 03:10:43	aljustiet	Numero: I don't use kde
2024-04-12 03:14:45	Numero	just tried creating a new connection like the usual one i use but it does the same thing
2024-04-12 03:17:26	aljustiet	gaku: https://files.catbox.moe/8t2p83.mp4
2024-04-12 03:18:15	gaku	aljustiet: that thing remembers the last size, and on first launch it is jus awful
2024-04-12 03:18:48	gaku	however, I use a tiling wm so I wouldn't know about the qt one
2024-04-12 03:21:09	jensen	gaku: i changed to "WantedBy=syncthing.service graphical-init.service", daemon-reload, and i think this is the log you're referring to: https://0x0.st/X-TU.txt. mako.service is provided by the mako package
2024-04-12 03:22:20	aljustiet	gaku: wdym by last size?
2024-04-12 03:22:51	gaku	jensen: yah, as I said, too early, before sway is up
2024-04-12 03:23:27	gaku	the error is waaay before sway and mako are up and ready
2024-04-12 03:23:43	jensen	i thought my graphical-init.service should handle that, sorry total systemd noob
2024-04-12 03:24:29	gaku	jensen: your service tries to spawn it, but mako refuses due to exec-condition, cuz there's no WAYLAND_DISPLAY ready
2024-04-12 03:25:02	gaku	when does syncthing.service run?
2024-04-12 03:25:13	gaku	you could hook it with a timer instead, and put a delay
2024-04-12 03:26:31	gaku	jensen: I would also remove 'graphical-init.service' and just leave syncthing, since that's what requires this service no?
2024-04-12 03:27:47	gaku	aljustiet: the gtk one saves the last size on dconf
2024-04-12 03:28:27	gaku	I'm making an assumption that the QT one does the same, perhaps on QtProject.conf? mine doesn't have a size, so probably not
2024-04-12 03:29:07	jensen	ok thanks i'll give it a try
2024-04-12 03:30:43	Numero	never mind - turns out other end of vpn is down
2024-04-12 06:13:13	Steven_M	Hi All :-)
2024-04-12 06:56:12	Steven_M	Sorry, I just read the "no hello" rule. I won't do that anymore. *remorseful face*
2024-04-12 07:04:37	virtualsid	Steven_M: feel free to join #archlinux-offtopic if you like, for general chat. But be warned, it's weird in there ;)
2024-04-12 07:06:33	Steven_M	virtualsid: thanks, will do. :-)
2024-04-12 07:54:25	Steven_M	I've noticed that Archlinux doesn't publish meany security advisories, what's the best way to check for vulnerable packages on my system?
2024-04-12 07:59:57	gehidore	Where is this no hello rule posted?
2024-04-12 08:00:10	red_man	hey all
2024-04-12 08:02:57	Steven_M	gehidore: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_IRC_channels#IRC_usage
2024-04-12 08:02:58	phrik	Title: Arch IRC channels - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-12 08:03:24	Steven_M	red_man: Hey :-)
2024-04-12 08:15:18	virtualsid	Steven_M: I just read that thing - it's not that it's forbidden, it's just that you don't need to say hello :-)
2024-04-12 08:15:55	gehidore	It's not even that, really, it's that if you're initiating chat for help don't preface it with a naked hello 
2024-04-12 08:16:24	gehidore	That said we do have offtopic for random chitter
2024-04-12 08:17:56	mpan	Decency laws prohibit naked hellos in the public.
2024-04-12 08:18:54	gehidore	Just try and stop me!
2024-04-12 08:50:50	grawity	huh, VLC can't do RTSP anymore? "access_realrtsp stream warning: only real/helix rtsp servers supported for now"
2024-04-12 08:51:09	grawity	why does this work on Windows but not Linux
2024-04-12 08:53:15	virtualsid	well, wtf. one of the mixers was on zero volume. but also my laptop media control keys don't adjust the volume. odd.
2024-04-12 08:53:25	virtualsid	at least I have sound, I guess.
2024-04-12 08:59:00	grawity	oh, apparently I need to install live-media out of the massive list of optdepends
2024-04-12 09:01:54	virtualsid	lol
2024-04-12 09:06:27	cloudowind	i always use vlc too grawity  , on windows on linux on ios on andorid
2024-04-12 09:06:46	grawity	ok
2024-04-12 09:07:05	cloudowind	:/
2024-04-12 09:12:43	virtualsid	okay, this is weird. mute key mutes on alsamixer, but shows nothing on xev. volume up/down are also invisible to xev. prevtrack, playpause, and next track all show up on xev. wtfudge
2024-04-12 09:13:23	virtualsid	I wonder if something is capturing those keys before xev... it wouldn't be i3, would it? hmm
2024-04-12 09:17:02	virtualsid	well, that is annoying. Restarted i3, and everything is now fine. All this time I had a channel 'PGA1.0 1 Master' muted. stupid
2024-04-12 09:17:15	archdemon	lame
2024-04-12 09:17:22	susi	virtualsid: have you bound the relevant XF86 keys
2024-04-12 09:17:28	susi	unless I do that, they don't show in xev
2024-04-12 09:17:58	susi	or something like that
2024-04-12 09:18:12	virtualsid	susi: yeah, I have. It all previously worked too - broke about 2-3 weeks ago, maybe a month. No obvious config files etc - no pacnew/pacsave, etc.
2024-04-12 09:19:22	virtualsid	fwiw, the volume up/down don't show up now, but I think that almost certainly is because i3 is capturing them, and sending them to pactl?
2024-04-12 09:19:35	virtualsid	*still don't show up now on xev
2024-04-12 09:20:58	virtualsid	It works now, but I don't get why, and that's kinda annoying in itself :P
2024-04-12 09:22:01	targetdisk	hello :)
2024-04-12 09:22:38	luna_	hi
2024-04-12 09:38:41	SysGhost	Greetings fellow archers!
2024-04-12 09:52:30	davispuh	Hello, I use Arch btw
2024-04-12 09:52:47	archdemon	davispuh: good for you
2024-04-12 09:52:47	SysGhost	This is the way!
2024-04-12 09:53:21	badsektor	hello, btw
2024-04-12 10:11:56	Steven_M	virtualsid: gehidore: that's technically true, however the page does link to nohello.com which is far more critical.
2024-04-12 10:18:40	Khorne	I feel like the context is DMs more than group conversations where the noise floor is already high
2024-04-12 10:20:52	davispuh	those people who just write hi/hello really grind my gears :D
2024-04-12 10:21:04	davispuh	IMO it's stupid
2024-04-12 10:21:15	Auster	hello
2024-04-12 10:21:18	Auster	sorry i just had to
2024-04-12 10:21:20	davispuh	:D
2024-04-12 10:22:02	davispuh	lmaoo I don't mean it in like rooms which I don't have every message notifications anyway
2024-04-12 10:22:26	davispuh	but like people message you directly with hi and of course they need like that, but why wait several hours
2024-04-12 10:22:37	davispuh	they need *something
2024-04-12 10:24:27	davispuh	https://nohello.net/en/
2024-04-12 10:24:29	phrik	Title: no hello (at nohello.net)
2024-04-12 10:30:34	b7_	Hey everyone! I recently published my radio automation software XFB on AUR. Would really appreciate it if you could take a moment to review and upvote the package at https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/xfb so it can be included in Extra. Thanks a lot!
2024-04-12 10:30:37	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - xfb (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-04-12 10:40:48	Gnana	firfox lags in hyprland on amd not nvidia
2024-04-12 10:40:50	Gnana	?
2024-04-12 10:41:02	Gnana	i mean im not using nvidia gpu for hyprland
2024-04-12 10:41:06	Gnana	wezterm
2024-04-12 10:41:10	Gnana	lol 
2024-04-12 10:41:12	Gnana	noob here
2024-04-12 10:41:20	Gnana	youtube videos lags
2024-04-12 10:42:35	Gnana	nvtop shows 253MB using chromium
2024-04-12 10:43:31	Gnana	i do not know why archlinux repos are slow with rate-mirrors?
2024-04-12 10:44:19	cloudowind	they are slow sometimes
2024-04-12 10:54:27	jelle	Gnana: depends on your country and the avalibity of mirrors
2024-04-12 10:56:25	jelle	Gnana: note, that you complained about this for the fourth time, without any information. This is getting quite tiresome
2024-04-12 11:05:03	Gnana	okay
2024-04-12 11:05:23	Gnana	will check again. roght now coding
2024-04-12 11:08:56	Khorne	no troubleshooting jelle, only fixing
2024-04-12 11:09:08	Khorne	paying customers dont need to provide information, just get to fixing the internet already
2024-04-12 11:10:33	raster	the internet cannot be fixed. it is run by the secret feline cabal.
2024-04-12 11:12:15	gog	meow
2024-04-12 11:14:21	raster	here they come!
2024-04-12 11:18:55	Gnana	jelle: still mirrro list is slow https://archlinux.org/mirrorlist/?country=IN&protocol=http&protocol=https&ip_version=4&ip_version=6
2024-04-12 11:19:11	jelle	Gnana: they are all commented out?
2024-04-12 11:19:27	jelle	Gnana: that mirrorlist does not determine what is the fastest mirror for you....
2024-04-12 11:19:50	Gnana	no, only one mirror
2024-04-12 11:20:09	jelle	Gnana: I don't understand what you are saying
2024-04-12 11:20:24	cloudowind	:)
2024-04-12 11:20:47	jelle	Gnana: try reflector
2024-04-12 11:24:17	vycka	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Reflector
2024-04-12 11:24:18	phrik	Title: Reflector - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-12 11:31:23	piie	Hi, does anyone know, whether arch is affected from https://jmpeax.dev/The-tale-of-a-GSM-Kernel-LPE.html
2024-04-12 11:31:24	phrik	Title: The tale of a GSM Kernel LPE | jmpeax’s blog (at jmpeax.dev)
2024-04-12 11:32:21	jelle	imagine 
2024-04-12 11:33:47	jelle	https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/3c4f8333b582487a2d1e02171f1465531cde53e3
2024-04-12 11:34:28	Gnana	i got reflector. put timer too. but still not speed... web speed test is good
2024-04-12 11:34:59	jelle	Gnana: the timer is useless
2024-04-12 11:35:10	jelle	Gnana: what mirror did reflector give you?
2024-04-12 11:36:14	Gnana	jelle:https://termbin.com/2qwq
2024-04-12 11:36:36	jelle	yeah that seems wrong
2024-04-12 11:36:39	jelle	Gnana: what did you even run?
2024-04-12 11:36:47	Gnana	systemctl start refector
2024-04-12 11:36:58	Gnana	sudo pacman -Syy
2024-04-12 11:37:57	Gnana	jelle:https://termbin.com/qqmy
2024-04-12 11:38:14	jelle	that is not how it works Gnana 
2024-04-12 11:38:26	jelle	try: reflector -c IN so you get indian mirrors
2024-04-12 11:38:27	Gnana	?????
2024-04-12 11:38:31	Gnana	ok
2024-04-12 11:39:44	jelle	Gnana: please invest a bit of time to read what it does :)
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2024-04-12 12:03:23	g105b	I'm new to Arch. Loving it so far, but I have a few weird quirks I'm trying to figure out. When I'm in Firefox when I look at a photo within a page, the colours look different to when I view the photo directly by going to its URL. Within a page, the colours seem to be muted slightly (less saturation).
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2024-04-12 12:06:41	mkoskar	g105b: have you tried different pages? maybe it's some firefox addon or smt
2024-04-12 12:07:04	mkoskar	try with clean profile
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2024-04-12 12:09:08	BrainDamage	it could also be the web page adding filters
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2024-04-12 12:10:24	grawity	g105b: either it's Firefox being bad at loading the embedded ICC color profiles in the image file, or you're using GNOME and it's pulled a garbage color profile out of the display via EDID
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2024-04-12 12:11:21	g105b	grawity: I think it's the latter. I'm trying to figure it out, but it seems that GIMP also has this issue - if I view a photo in GIMP it looks much more vibrant than if I view the photo by double clicking its file icon.
2024-04-12 12:12:17	grawity	go to gnome settings > color, click on your display, and either disable the profile or add the generic "Colorspace sRGB" profile
2024-04-12 12:12:20	grawity	see if that helps
2024-04-12 12:12:30	g105b	grawity: btw your comment yesterday helped me find the solution to my annoying "This window is ready" problem, so thank you for that!
2024-04-12 12:12:49	BetweenUs	:q
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2024-04-12 12:12:56	grawity	what was the problem?
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2024-04-12 12:13:45	g105b	grawity: When  I opened a window, it would appear behind the current one. Like if I clicked a link with "Open in new Window" the new window would appear behind the current one. Visually, I couldn't ever tell that it had worked.
2024-04-12 12:14:20	g105b	You gave me the name of the behaviour, and from that I I found the extension called "Just Perfection" which has so many tweaks for this kind of behaviour.
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2024-04-12 12:37:38	ice9	how to automatically unlock the default keyring on startup ? because every login, it popups to enter the password because an app needs it
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2024-04-12 12:37:45	ice9	gnome-shell
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2024-04-12 12:38:23	teraflops	do you use same password as login one?
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2024-04-12 12:38:29	ice9	teraflops, yes
2024-04-12 12:38:44	teraflops	do you use gdm?
2024-04-12 12:38:51	ice9	teraflops, yes
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2024-04-12 12:44:22	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-12 12:44:34	teraflops	hmm it works here
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2024-04-12 12:50:32	Steven_M	davispuh: Thanks for your explanation of the issue. Sorry, I was AFK before.
2024-04-12 12:52:28	Steven_M	davispuh: :-)
2024-04-12 12:53:13	davispuh	Steven_M: lmaoo no worries
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2024-04-12 12:55:54	davispuh	btw I have been thinking that Wayland has been kinda "ready" for some while but turns out I never had to drag Firefox's tab into another window and looks like that protocol is still missing .-.
2024-04-12 12:57:28	Namarrgon	That works here.
2024-04-12 12:59:50	teraflops	ice9: I can only think on installing seahorse, open it, go to passwords, right click on it and select change password, make sure you fill the same password as login one and then see if that fixes the issue
2024-04-12 13:00:39	ice9	teraflops, I did that but it didn't fix it
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2024-04-12 13:01:26	teraflops	then I'm out of ideas ;)
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2024-04-12 13:02:09	g105b	I had to switch back to X11 since I needed to share my screen and it didn't work with Wayland. Plus, as a "general" technical user of the system, I don't know of and can't see any benefits of using Wayland over X11.
2024-04-12 13:02:49	g105b	ice9: did you figure it out? I need to solve the same issue. My user is set to log in automatically, and I don't want to have the "unlock keyring" popup appear at random.
2024-04-12 13:03:02	teraflops	do you have so much stuff in there? perhaps recreating it fixes the issue. be carefull with that, if you have i.e email credentials and such you will be prompted for them again
2024-04-12 13:04:05	teraflops	the procedure is here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNOME/Keyring - resetting the keyring
2024-04-12 13:04:07	phrik	Title: GNOME/Keyring - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-12 13:05:02	teraflops	g105b: iirc gnome does some kind of rdp server under wayland since last release
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2024-04-12 13:05:50	g105b	teraflops: I read that these issues are now resolved in Wayland + Gnome itself, but the user applications have yet to integrate with the new way it works. For instance, Firefox and Discord did not work for me, so I switched to X11.
2024-04-12 13:06:04	g105b	I can't tell any different personally.
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2024-04-12 13:07:25	teraflops	g105b: the only way of not being asked for gnome keyring password when doing autologin is to set it blank according to the wiki
2024-04-12 13:08:04	g105b	teraflops: that's usually the case with Debian-based distros I'm used to, but using "seahorse" to manage the keys. Looks simple enough in Arch.
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2024-04-12 13:08:25	teraflops	I do agree, it's handy
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2024-04-12 13:09:12	g105b	The issue I had on Debian-based distros is that even though I set the key to a blank string in Seahorse, every few weeks it would "reset" to require unlocking with my user password again... weird. I hope it doesn't do that with Arch.
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2024-04-12 13:09:57	g105b	One last rant about the keyring ... If the "Unlock Keyring" popup appears, I can press ESCAPE a few times and it will be dismissed, and I can continue running what I was doing without unlocking it. I don't know what purpose it serves.
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2024-04-12 13:10:05	Khorne	Wayland bestie..X deals like ass with changing multi monitor setups 
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2024-04-12 13:12:53	monr0e	is anyone here familiar with kodi-standalone-service? I can't seem to get kodi to launch on boot, journalctl reports that the service failed with an exit code, but gives me no other information that that
2024-04-12 13:13:04	teraflops	on wlroots compositors , ate least the ones I tried (sway and hyprland) managing multimonitor setup works quite well
2024-04-12 13:13:04	gog	explicit sync was merged 3 days ago :o
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2024-04-12 13:13:20	monr0e	I have installed kodi rather than having it built because I required 20.2 as opposed to the latest release
2024-04-12 13:13:24	gog	i might be able to go back to wayland soon
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2024-04-12 13:14:33	teraflops	monr0e: did you follow https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kodi#Running_standalone indications?
2024-04-12 13:14:34	phrik	Title: Kodi - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-12 13:14:42	davispuh	Namarrgon: that's interesting, I'm on KWin and if I have 2 Firefox Windows I can't drag tab from one window to other, when I try I don't see animation of dragging and nothing happens
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2024-04-12 13:15:43	Namarrgon	davispuh: is firefox running natively or in xwayland?
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2024-04-12 13:16:24	onla	if I want to record a short gif how my weechat looks by scrolling up a bit on channel, how can I do it? I guess not with asciinema or ttyrec?
2024-04-12 13:16:31	davispuh	Namarrgon: ohhh great it looks like some weird bug, now I tried again with new tab new window and it works, all running native wayland
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2024-04-12 13:17:05	teraflops	onla: record a short video and convert it to gif
2024-04-12 13:17:56	onla	Do you know some common tools people in linux world would you use for this recording? Something from ffmpeg or?
2024-04-12 13:18:10	teraflops	onla: xorg or wayland?
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2024-04-12 13:18:14	onla	xorg
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2024-04-12 13:19:03	Khorne	Don't ever convert anything to gif in 2024
2024-04-12 13:19:21	ice9	Khorne, why?
2024-04-12 13:19:29	Khorne	Because it's an absolutely shit format?
2024-04-12 13:19:36	g105b	Everything's shit
2024-04-12 13:19:39	Khorne	Use webm
2024-04-12 13:19:41	onla	what would you use instead in a github page's readme like this https://github.com/ulyssa/iamb/
2024-04-12 13:19:50	onla	oh ok
2024-04-12 13:20:24	g105b	Webm will play automatically in a Github readme, Khorne?
2024-04-12 13:21:23	teraflops	onla: there are many, i.e simplescreenrecorder 
2024-04-12 13:21:39	Khorne	g105b, yes
2024-04-12 13:21:53	g105b	Saywhaaaat. That's amazing.
2024-04-12 13:21:55	Khorne	and its a third smaller and you know..supports more than 256 colors
2024-04-12 13:22:20	g105b	Yeah I know GIF is shit, but I didn't know there was an alternative that played automatically like GIFs do.
2024-04-12 13:22:53	g105b	So the native screen recorder outputs webm directly. No need for converting anything :)
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2024-04-12 13:24:31	onla	ffmpeg -f x11grab -r 30 -s 1920x1080 -i :0.0 -c:v libvpx -q:v 10 output.webm <- like this maybe, or what is "native"
2024-04-12 13:25:58	Steven_M	Bye for now. :-)
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2024-04-12 13:28:20	monr0e	teraflops: Hm. I had no idea there was a wiki page for this, the github just says build, install, and it should run
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2024-04-12 13:50:50	g105b	onla: are you using gnome? Try pressing shift+alt+ctrl+r
2024-04-12 13:51:53	teraflops	gnome new screenshot utility can record video of a given zone, it does use vp8
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2024-04-12 14:28:47	monr0e	teraflops nope, no difference. I know this works, because when building kodi-standalone-service with the kodi version it comes with, it works. I can't see waht the difference in the build process is though
2024-04-12 14:29:45	monr0e	 /var/libs/kodi exists, but is empty too
2024-04-12 14:30:34	monr0e	I know this should work, because I had it working on the previous hardware - with v20
2024-04-12 14:30:54	monr0e	and I tried following the .bash_history of that machine too
2024-04-12 14:35:06	illuminated	looking for conflicting packages...
2024-04-12 14:35:06	illuminated	warning: dependency cycle detected:
2024-04-12 14:35:06	illuminated	warning: qt6-multimedia-ffmpeg will be installed before its qt6-multimedia dependency
2024-04-12 14:35:12	illuminated	what does all this mean?
2024-04-12 14:35:51	illuminated	what's dependency cycle, specifically?
2024-04-12 14:36:23	illuminated	there's a crap ton of packages that needs to be installed.. is this basically a bump in the whole system's packages?
2024-04-12 14:36:26	MacGyver	It means packages depend on each other in a circular fashion. Package A depends on B, package B depends on C, package C depends on A again.
2024-04-12 14:36:37	MacGyver	But, as you can see, it's only a warning.
2024-04-12 14:36:44	MacGyver	Let the update finish and it's fine.
2024-04-12 14:37:07	illuminated	I"ve been keeping my system up to date
2024-04-12 14:37:11	illuminated	running updates every day
2024-04-12 14:37:22	illuminated	and now it says there's 283 packages that need to be updated
2024-04-12 14:37:40	illuminated	so is this a bump in basically the whole rls
2024-04-12 14:37:58	illuminated	this is my first time running arch
2024-04-12 14:38:17	illuminated	wanting to understand why so many packages are wanting to update so suddenly
2024-04-12 14:38:22	Namarrgon	This is normal for DE updates.
2024-04-12 14:38:33	illuminated	oh ok
2024-04-12 14:38:39	illuminated	i thought wtf
2024-04-12 14:38:46	illuminated	you get 5 updates a day
2024-04-12 14:38:51	Namarrgon	283 is on the smaller side, i would say.
2024-04-12 14:38:52	illuminated	and then suddenly 283 
2024-04-12 14:40:09	xinming	Hi, with 6.8.5 kernel arch kernel, we have problem booting the system.
2024-04-12 14:40:25	xinming	Error is,  ACPI BIOS Error (bug): ...
2024-04-12 14:40:41	xinming	hmm, Will post the image, the system boot fines with 6.8.4
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2024-04-12 14:51:01	SysGhost	I have it on my laptop. Boots fine. 
2024-04-12 14:51:32	SysGhost	Quoting: "The bugs you are seeing are harmless. Apparently, because of Microsoft's market dominance, the faulty ACPI implementation from Microsoft has become the de facto industry standard. As a result, Linux and other non-Microsoft operating systems have to reverse engineer the faulty ACPI implementation from MS."
2024-04-12 14:52:16	illuminated	ms and its bullshit
2024-04-12 14:52:27	SysGhost	you can try to boot with acpi=off appended to the boot parameters (Can be done from the boot loader)
2024-04-12 14:52:42	SysGhost	...just to rule that out
2024-04-12 14:55:32	SysGhost	kms can often be a reason to why kernel "hangs" early on. Especially with nVidia stuff.
2024-04-12 14:55:52	SysGhost	(kernel mode setting)
2024-04-12 14:59:16	SysGhost	xinming: ^
2024-04-12 15:17:57	virtualsid	bleh. was updating Arch (pacman -Syu), kernel panicked in the middle, or so I assume (flashing caps lock), and kept kernel panicking on reboot. Did the 'hold power for 30 seconds' thing, and now I seem to be back in Windows.
2024-04-12 15:18:12	virtualsid	a job for tomorrow. Just had to vent :P
2024-04-12 15:18:15	SysGhost	oh? didn't know there was a znver2 adapted kernel. what benefits does it bring?
2024-04-12 15:19:00	SysGhost	virtualsid: overheating perhaps?
2024-04-12 15:19:17	virtualsid	Yeah, but I'm in bed. Was going to read emails and browse the web, not wanting to get up and try and sort it. Took 30 minutes to just get back to Windows, after I stuffed up the BIOS settings somewhat.
2024-04-12 15:20:14	virtualsid	SysGhost: I don't think so. I think it's wifi related. It was a 700MB download, and my wifi speed seems to be limited to 3MB/s (yes, megabytes) on linux. It was probably still downloading. Fans didn't kick in until after the panic
2024-04-12 15:20:16	SysGhost	Well.. at least it's not a scary as a huge vomit of i/o errors all at once and a sudden crash/hang.
2024-04-12 15:20:22	xinming	teJECSke: I think this is also the bug I met, I'll upload the image
2024-04-12 15:20:23	virtualsid	lol, yes
2024-04-12 15:20:38	virtualsid	anyway... usb boot disk tomorrow :P
2024-04-12 15:21:45	choix	Hi, I'm trying to understand the pacman repo-add command. I'm confused about why it won't create a file. Can't I create an empty database? Here's the command I used: 'repo-add custom.db.tar.gz' but there was no file with that name in my current directory.
2024-04-12 15:22:29	SysGhost	Yeah. It needs at least one item in there to consider it a valid database
2024-04-12 15:23:31	SysGhost	make sense in a way. Can't update 0 packages.
2024-04-12 15:23:39	BrainDamage	it's a recent change
2024-04-12 15:23:48	BrainDamage	it used to be able to create empty repos
2024-04-12 15:24:14	BrainDamage	pick a random package from your cache to create and remove it afterwards
2024-04-12 15:24:22	BrainDamage	it's awkward, but it works
2024-04-12 15:24:44	choix	ok
2024-04-12 15:25:24	Scimmia	Why would you have to pick something then remove it? An empty repo is pointless, just create it when you add a package you want
2024-04-12 15:27:14	BrainDamage	pacman will bail with non-rechable dbs
2024-04-12 15:27:39	choix	Also, I noticed that if you add all files, including .sig, you don't get a database. So I'm guessing any non-package file will abort the database creation?
2024-04-12 15:27:58	choix	It won't be ignore, but aborted?
2024-04-12 15:27:58	BrainDamage	so you would for example need to swap pacman config if you're creating a repo
2024-04-12 15:28:08	BrainDamage	correct
2024-04-12 15:29:01	Scimmia	!give choix xyproblem
2024-04-12 15:29:01	phrik	choix: Tell us what you're REALLY trying to do. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
2024-04-12 15:30:02	choix	What happens to signatures? Do they get checked when they are added to the repo? Because they can't be added...
2024-04-12 15:30:39	choix	Scimmia: I'm just messing around for now. I want to get a better idea how custom databases work and how to update them.
2024-04-12 15:31:07	Scimmia	you do not add sig files to the database, no
2024-04-12 15:31:31	choix	Scimmia: So how are the packages validated/verified?
2024-04-12 15:31:35	BrainDamage	the database contains package information, pacman will assume that the signature is either inline or as detached file
2024-04-12 15:31:47	BrainDamage	so it'll search for a detached sig with the same prefix
2024-04-12 15:32:31	choix	BrainDamage: By inline, you mean in the same directory as the repo file, correct?
2024-04-12 15:32:47	BrainDamage	no, an inline signature alters the original file in place
2024-04-12 15:33:10	BrainDamage	while a detached signature is a separate file
2024-04-12 15:34:00	BrainDamage	so it tries to download a .sig file if it exists ( I don't remember if it tries .asc too )
2024-04-12 15:34:02	choix	BrainDamage: So, in my case, I'm guessing I would be using detached files. I would have the repo file and all the associated .pkt.tar.zst.sig files in the same directory, correct?
2024-04-12 15:34:12	BrainDamage	yes
2024-04-12 15:34:27	choix	Thanks.
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2024-04-12 15:35:48	choix	Ok, great. Thanks for all the help.
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2024-04-12 15:48:21	xinming	https://ibb.co/fdJcxFv   <-- This is the error log
2024-04-12 15:48:22	phrik	Title: IMG-20240412-204103 hosted at ImgBB — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2024-04-12 15:48:45	xinming	When I append acpi=off to kernel cmdline, The kernel boots stuck at loading initramfs
2024-04-12 15:48:52	xinming	So still unbootable
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2024-04-12 15:49:27	xinming	Waiting for someone to fix the issue, and I'll resuce the system with livecd
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2024-04-12 15:50:25	Namarrgon	Which laptop/mainboard is this?
2024-04-12 15:50:37	xinming	It's HP zhan 66
2024-04-12 15:51:19	xinming	HP ZHAN 66 Pro 14, amd version
2024-04-12 15:51:25	Namarrgon	With the latest firmare?
2024-04-12 15:51:27	Namarrgon	*firmware
2024-04-12 15:51:56	xinming	I think I also meet the gu reports amd hardware boot problem
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2024-04-12 15:52:23	xinming	Namarrgon: UEFI firmware is latest, It's upgraded automatically via M$ update
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2024-04-12 15:53:03	xinming	But I'm not sure wther the linux-firmware thing is latest.
2024-04-12 15:53:08	Namarrgon	"01.16.00 Rev.A" ?
2024-04-12 15:53:22	xinming	The machines boots fine with 6.8.4
2024-04-12 15:53:30	xinming	Namarrgon: A second, I'll reboot and check
2024-04-12 15:54:30	xinming	U79 Ver. 01.14.00 02/01/2024
2024-04-12 15:54:45	xinming	HP Zhan 66 pro A 14 inch
2024-04-12 15:54:58	phrik	Title: Linux: ACPI: Fix problems with Suspend, Resume, and Missing devices using acpi_osi= (at iam.tj)
2024-04-12 15:55:41	Namarrgon	xinming: the latest one seems to be from 18th of march
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2024-04-12 15:57:26	xinming	Namarrgon: It's hard to find firmware downloading on hp.com
2024-04-12 15:57:48	xinming	So I'll have to wait for M$ to push the updates
2024-04-12 15:59:25	xinming	NetSysFire: I did before, But nothing found, So I used M$ updating service, and I saw they push to windows updates. I don't bother then
2024-04-12 15:59:57	xinming	Namarrgon: is 01.16.00 Rev.A boots fine?
2024-04-12 16:00:30	Namarrgon	xinming: I don't have the hardware, i only checked the website.
2024-04-12 16:00:59	Namarrgon	https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/swdetails/hp-zhan-66-pro-a-14-g4-notebook-pc/38226215/swItemId/ob-326349-1
2024-04-12 16:01:01	xinming	Ok, I think it's a kernel regression, As booting 6.8.4 fine
2024-04-12 16:01:15	xinming	I just delete the 6.8.4 kernel too fast. :-(
2024-04-12 16:02:20	xinming	thanks, will download and try 
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2024-04-12 16:06:40	xinming	Namarrgon: It's not g4, It's g5, How do ou find the bios?
2024-04-12 16:07:39	xinming	It's not in the identify list
2024-04-12 16:07:57	Namarrgon	https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/laptops
2024-04-12 16:08:07	xinming	So, Will have to wait for kernel update or M$ update push
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2024-04-12 16:11:43	xinming	Is there a wa to pin the old kernel version?
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2024-04-12 16:12:13	xinming	hmm, gonna install the lts kernel
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2024-04-12 16:21:38	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-12 16:44:07	docdrow	Soooooo I got my new laptop finally... Tuxedo Pulse Gen 3 -- and Arch works great right out of the box.
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2024-04-12 16:44:33	docdrow	But as an American.. I'm struggling with the international keyboard.. my only complaint unfortunately a big one
2024-04-12 16:46:30	docdrow	Someone beat me to it
2024-04-12 16:48:03	Warepire	docdrow: There are US keyboard options for that laptop according to google.
2024-04-12 16:49:02	Warepire	All their options are in this github: https://github.com/tuxedocomputers/keyboard-layouts
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2024-04-12 16:50:20	docdrow	Warepire: yea thats the one I picked, but take alook at it you can see its not quite normal
2024-04-12 16:50:54	⚡ 	Warepire is Swedish and uses Swedish keyboards
2024-04-12 16:51:22	⚡ 	docdrow is sorry for your fingers ;-)
2024-04-12 16:53:49	arseru	TIL I have 8 lxc containers affected by https://archlinux.org/news/the-xz-package-has-been-backdoored/ :D
2024-04-12 16:53:50	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: The xz package has been backdoored (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-12 16:53:58	docdrow	Need to find a nice arch linux sticker for the back
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2024-04-12 16:55:09	gromit	arseru: no need to worry, the arch packages were not affected since the switch in evil build script did only target RPM and DEB based distros
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2024-04-12 16:55:25	gromit	We need to get that announcement updated
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2024-04-12 16:56:23	alad	whoever came up with the swedish keyboard layout needs to be put before The Hague
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2024-04-12 16:57:05	susi	svorak is a sacrilege
2024-04-12 16:57:11	Warepire	... unnecessary
2024-04-12 16:57:22	arseru	gromit thanks, I also agree that the last part of the announcement should be the first thing displayed XD
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2024-04-12 17:17:46	hashworks	Got some weird behaviour on a OVH bare metal cloud instance over here. I'm creating a unified kernel image on an EFI partition in /EFI/Linux/arch-linux.efi with a cmdline set at /etc/cmdline.d/root.conf. It seems that the uefi entries pointing to this file are ignored, and it loads refind over PXE. refind then scans the disks and finds my arch-linux.efi file, which it boots. However, the cmdline
2024-04-12 17:17:46	hashworks	is altered, so it fails to...
2024-04-12 17:17:51	hashworks	... mount the root partition. According to cat /proc/cmdline in rootfs its \EFI\Linux\arch-linux.efi
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2024-04-12 17:18:03	hashworks	Anyone got any idea how to force the UKI image to use its own cmdline, regardless of any others?
2024-04-12 17:18:27	Namarrgon	Type the model in
2024-04-12 17:18:40	hashworks	Advance-4 Gen 2
2024-04-12 17:18:59	Namarrgon	Sorry, that wasn't meant for you.
2024-04-12 17:19:25	hashworks	Ah, alright. 
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2024-04-12 17:30:28	Polochon_street	hi guys! I'm reviving an old PC with less than 1GB of RAM and a terrible processor and I'm looking for some very lightweight apps, what's a good super lightweight (in terms of resources) terminal emulator?
2024-04-12 17:30:38	Polochon_street	I'd think urxvt, but maybe there's something else on the market
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2024-04-12 17:34:29	raster	Polochon_street: xterm, rxvt ... they will be about as light as you'll get
2024-04-12 17:34:38	raster	though your choise of wm/de is going to matter far more
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2024-04-12 17:35:06	demonicmaniac1	are you sure your system is 64bit when it just has 1gb of ram?
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2024-04-12 17:35:50	Amoz	Tom^, yes that was one of the first things i tried. It's empty. :)
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2024-04-12 17:38:48	demonicmaniac1	for anything < 4gb i'd definitely also set hugepages to madvise from always, makes quite the difference
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2024-04-12 17:44:24	Scimmia	wait a minute, *less than* 1GB? Does it even have enough to boot the Arch install disk?
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2024-04-12 17:45:47	raster	that's a good q... i assume it did as they are up to choosing terminals in x....
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2024-04-12 17:47:11	Scimmia	Or they're just getting things figured out ahead of time
2024-04-12 17:47:44	raster	maybe
2024-04-12 17:47:59	raster	they will find out soon enough i guess
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2024-04-12 17:48:54	Polochon_street	raster: thanks! I chose i3, not sure what else is gonna be usable and light
2024-04-12 17:49:31	Polochon_street	It's a 64 bits old eeePC, it's barely usable haha
2024-04-12 17:49:42	raster	for regular compositing envs enlightenment will happily fit in 1gb ram
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2024-04-12 17:50:19	raster	is it the original eepc?
2024-04-12 17:50:52	demonicmaniac1	can't be because the original eepc wasn't 64bit
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2024-04-12 17:51:35	raster	i'm wondering which it is as gpu will affect a fair bit
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2024-04-12 17:52:19	demonicmaniac1	the Z is 64bit but pain gpuwise, not sure about the nvidia ion support in nouveau
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2024-04-12 17:53:47	Polochon_street	It's one with the infamous GMA500 or whatever it is called 
2024-04-12 17:54:00	raster	ooh OOOH uh oh.
2024-04-12 17:54:13	raster	drop that thing in a bin
2024-04-12 17:54:18	basso	>GMA500
2024-04-12 17:54:21	Polochon_street	I remember it being super painful when it was out in 2014 or so, but so far it works
2024-04-12 17:54:25	basso	that is a name i havent hear din a loong, loong time
2024-04-12 17:54:38	Polochon_street	haha yeah it also brought back memories of suffering
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2024-04-12 17:54:46	demonicmaniac1	so it is the z520 one
2024-04-12 17:54:50	basso	such shit drivers on windows
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2024-04-12 17:55:00	basso	it was absolute gigapain back in 2010
2024-04-12 17:55:03	demonicmaniac1	i believe that has 1 socket tho?
2024-04-12 17:55:07	demonicmaniac1	should be upgradable to 2gb
2024-04-12 17:55:25	Polochon_street	Mine is not upgradeable for some reason :( I tried to open it, but everything is soldered 
2024-04-12 17:55:26	raster	thats a powervr gpu and that has always been pain on steroids.
2024-04-12 17:55:32	demonicmaniac1	huh
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2024-04-12 17:55:41	Polochon_street	How do I find the exact model?
2024-04-12 17:55:44	raster	mind you recently imgtc finally are upstreaming oss drivers.... but i think only for their new gpus
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2024-04-12 17:56:14	raster	so i think you'll be stuck with zero gpu accel.
2024-04-12 17:56:21	teraflops	isn't GMA intel ?
2024-04-12 17:56:24	demonicmaniac1	Polochon_street: dmidecode
2024-04-12 17:56:30	raster	gma500 is the exception
2024-04-12 17:56:35	demonicmaniac1	teraflops: not the gma500 that's a rebranded powervr
2024-04-12 17:56:36	raster	its a pvr part.
2024-04-12 17:56:53	teraflops	ah true I googlr it
2024-04-12 17:57:01	demonicmaniac1	it was only used in the Z chips which intel completely discontinued, they were specific tablet/phone chips and not actually meant for netbooks
2024-04-12 17:57:48	basso	they were probably made to get rid of stock, and if i remember correctly it was the only way to make an atom laptop that had a screen size over 10"
2024-04-12 17:57:58	raster	the gma3150 is also a totally garbage intel gpu - it is intel and had oss drivers in mainline but a missing vertex shader unit thus all vertex geom was sw emulated. everyone who does shader stuff assumes if you have shaders you have both vertex and fragment... so the 3150 ended up sucking big time
2024-04-12 17:58:36	Polochon_street	1015bx
2024-04-12 17:58:40	Polochon_street	Looks like this is the one
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2024-04-12 17:58:53	basso	2010 was an amazing year for weird shit
2024-04-12 17:59:09	demonicmaniac1	if it wasn't for the Z chip i'd have absolutely gotten a vaio P
2024-04-12 17:59:18	demonicmaniac1	was such a cool formfactor
2024-04-12 17:59:49	demonicmaniac1	weird my info says the 1015bx was amd ontario
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2024-04-12 18:00:26	Polochon_street	I might be wrong on the GMA500, but I remember struggling with that with this PC back in the days
2024-04-12 18:00:29	demonicmaniac1	that would be a c30 or c60 and a radeon 6320
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2024-04-12 18:00:43	Polochon_street	I haven't done a proper hardware check yet, it's a fresh install
2024-04-12 18:01:00	demonicmaniac1	dmidecode generally gives you exact revisions
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2024-04-12 18:01:43	demonicmaniac1	usually has an sku number field for the system information or bios revision
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2024-04-12 18:04:13	demonicmaniac1	anywho i used a 32bit machine until recently with 1.5gb and while it was usable in general web browsers were an absolute nogo even on 1.5gb ram with zswap :P mpv and stuff will also work fine provided you have hwdecode and up to 720p like but anything browser/web based forget about it
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2024-04-12 18:13:59	raster	oh gee it might be an amd cpu
2024-04-12 18:14:01	raster	maybe not a loss
2024-04-12 18:14:08	raster	a radeon 2650... it might have hope!
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2024-04-12 18:14:38	demonicmaniac1	the radeon did have issues back then since it's essentially a rebranded cut down ancient radeon - but luckily there was a lot of work put into radeon since
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2024-04-12 18:14:51	nerdistmonk	interesting my upgrade failed this morning, "not overwriting dir with file /usr/local/share/man"
2024-04-12 18:15:05	raster	Polochon_street: well if u want tiling - i3 will do. if u want something more general and compositing - enlightenment is the leanest of the "complete desktop/compositors"
2024-04-12 18:15:09	raster	by a good margin
2024-04-12 18:15:19	raster	(it also can do tiling too)
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2024-04-12 18:15:51	demonicmaniac1	i believe it was terascale1 based or something?
2024-04-12 18:15:59	demonicmaniac1	like essentially a hd4000
2024-04-12 18:16:12	Namarrgon	nerdistmonk: Whatever package is trying to install to /usr/local needs to be fixed.
2024-04-12 18:16:16	raster	at least it wont have a lot of pixels to work on :)
2024-04-12 18:16:30	raster	Namarrgon: there is one annoying one for years now that keeps doing that
2024-04-12 18:16:37	raster	i dont remember wich....
2024-04-12 18:17:04	raster	i just brute force rm -rf /usr/local/man and continue then re-populate that from my srcs
2024-04-12 18:17:38	demonicmaniac1	also a c30 is sadly... much slower than a z520 cpu wise :D
2024-04-12 18:17:40	Namarrgon	In the official repos? There's a bunch of them in the AUR.
2024-04-12 18:17:58	demonicmaniac1	c60 is mostly ok but a c30 is really frustrating even compared to my pentium M heh
2024-04-12 18:17:59	raster	in official as a pacman -Syu ends up there
2024-04-12 18:18:03	Amoz	alad, MacGyver, Tom^ , ok found the issue. For some weird reason setting this in a user unit starts tracing/gather firefox logs as well. ExecStart=env RUST_LOG=debug /usr/bin/dlauncher
2024-04-12 18:18:16	nerdistmonk	Namarrgon, the package is "filesystem"
2024-04-12 18:18:54	Namarrgon	nerdistmonk: no, i mean the one that overwrote the /usr/locale/share/man symlink needs to be fixed
2024-04-12 18:19:04	Namarrgon	*/usr/locale/share/man
2024-04-12 18:19:07	Namarrgon	argh
2024-04-12 18:19:12	Namarrgon	*/usr/local/share/man
2024-04-12 18:19:32	demonicmaniac1	the c60 would be a dualcore but the c30 is a single core 1.2ghz without ht
2024-04-12 18:19:48	nerdistmonk	Namarrgon, instructions too vague.
2024-04-12 18:20:03	Namarrgon	nerdistmonk: what is in /usr/local/share/man now?
2024-04-12 18:20:11	nerdistmonk	its a empty directory at the moment
2024-04-12 18:20:33	Namarrgon	It shouldn't be a directory, it's a symlink to ../man
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2024-04-12 18:22:07	nerdistmonk	Namarrgon, that folder has existed since Feb 16th, 2024 apparently
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2024-04-12 18:22:37	Namarrgon	Do you remember installing anything manually around that time?
2024-04-12 18:22:47	nerdistmonk	i can't remember something that far back
2024-04-12 18:23:05	nerdistmonk	everything inside of /usr/local/share shares that date
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2024-04-12 18:23:33	demonicmaniac1	Polochon_street: for some browsing i'd recommend links and using xlinks -g - anything js won't work on it but at least you get some semblance of a graphical browser with just 10mb/tab instead of 1gb minimum :D
2024-04-12 18:23:57	Namarrgon	nerdistmonk: If the directory is empty then remove it and update
2024-04-12 18:24:02	nerdistmonk	is all of the folders in usr/local/share supposed to be links?
2024-04-12 18:24:07	nerdistmonk	or is it supposed to be empty?
2024-04-12 18:24:16	Namarrgon	No, most of them are empty directories.
2024-04-12 18:24:28	nerdistmonk	so man was the only one that was a link?
2024-04-12 18:24:36	nerdistmonk	and it links to /usr/local/man?
2024-04-12 18:25:08	Namarrgon	It's a relative link to ../man
2024-04-12 18:25:29	nerdistmonk	well ../man would be one level up, so /usr/local/man
2024-04-12 18:25:38	Namarrgon	yes
2024-04-12 18:26:52	nerdistmonk	Namarrgon, it lives, upgrade resumed, thankyou.
2024-04-12 18:27:43	nerdistmonk	Namarrgon, would "debtap" had been the responsible package?
2024-04-12 18:28:12	nerdistmonk	i forgot pacman keeps a blackbox running, it shows I was jerking around with debtap on Feb 16th
2024-04-12 18:28:29	demonicmaniac1	anything aur can certainly cause all kinds of issues
2024-04-12 18:28:36	demonicmaniac1	that's not officially packaged
2024-04-12 18:29:07	nerdistmonk	it has to be debtaps fault because the logs show it was the only activity on feb 16, was installing it, then ultimately removing it that same day
2024-04-12 18:29:30	demonicmaniac1	probably not debtap itself but whatever deb you converted using debtap
2024-04-12 18:30:07	nerdistmonk	either way its fixed, and now it's time to reboot, brb
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2024-04-12 18:51:23	onla	Trying to find out where my monospace font is set. `fc-match monospace` returns this test font I had long ago and it bugs me a bit. `notoab.otf: "Noto Sans Mono" "Regular". I have a ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf that has alias for family Noto Sans Mono and <prefer> in it for DejaVu Sans Mono. I don't get how this would pick my test font /home/onla/.local/share/fonts/notoab.otf: Noto Sans
2024-04-12 18:51:25	onla	Mono:style=Regular
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2024-04-12 18:59:17	Trel	onla: Where it's set for what? What program and what DE?
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2024-04-12 19:00:22	bobownie	hello guys when i boot into my system and i log in it displays a white screen(with my mouse pointer), when i look ar .xsession-errors there is A LOT of noveau  displaying memory adresses and kernel rejected pushbuf: invalid argument
2024-04-12 19:01:15	demonicmaniac1	onla: there's also defaults/accepts that in /etc/fonts/conf.d/60-latin.conf
2024-04-12 19:01:21	bobownie	i have nvidia 940mx and haveny done anything with my drivers(didnt install anything etc)
2024-04-12 19:01:25	demonicmaniac1	errr *get set
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2024-04-12 19:02:31	Trel	bobownie: Don't you have to nomodeset for nvidia or is that only for wayland?
2024-04-12 19:03:09	bobownie	it worked at first but  since first reboot it just does that, also the kernel says that noveau drivers are installed
2024-04-12 19:03:11	demonicmaniac1	onla: specifically /etc/fonts/conf.d/60-latin.conf does set monospace prefer noto sans mono
2024-04-12 19:03:15	onla	Trel: got it now. demonicmaniac1 yeah thanks! That was exactly it. I ripgrepped "Noto Sans Mono" and found that file and the order for <prefer> there for monospace matched my `fc-match -s monospace`. It fixed it
2024-04-12 19:03:25	demonicmaniac1	o/
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2024-04-12 19:03:47	bobownie	Trel: xfce is X right now, how do i check id i have nomodset and where?
2024-04-12 19:03:47	demonicmaniac1	onla: essentially you want to override that stuff then simply with a 99-myconf or something
2024-04-12 19:03:58	demonicmaniac1	since it's parsed in ascending order 
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2024-04-12 19:09:53	onla	ok yep yep added a prefer at  ~/.config/fontconfig/conf.d/99-local-monospace.conf
2024-04-12 19:16:27	yellowflower	good evening guys. im trying to setup an openvpn client on arch linux. ive got both .conf and .ovpn files. ideally i would put the file into /etc/openvpn/ and make systemd restart the openvpn module. unfortunately, i cant find a way to start and reload the module. according to the arch wiki, the correct way to enable the daemon, to do "systemctl enable openvpn-client@THENAMEOFMYCONFIG.service,
2024-04-12 19:16:29	yellowflower	but my problem is that I cant start it with the same name. https://pastebin.com/PvGzQB8z here is the systemd output
2024-04-12 19:16:30	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/X-S_.txt
2024-04-12 19:16:30	phrik	Title: [root@schwarzerplatz openvpn]# systemctl status openvpn-client@de.erfurt.ovpn.co - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-04-12 19:16:43	yellowflower	!paste
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2024-04-12 19:26:17	Trel	bobownie: it's a kernel parameter on boot, perhaps try it as a one-off to see if it helps/makes a difference
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2024-04-12 19:34:38	Polochon_street	demonicmaniac1: seems like I was wrong indeed, lspci gives me a Radeon HD6290 (and someone 695Mi of RAM)
2024-04-12 19:34:44	Polochon_street	it's a very interesting setup :D
2024-04-12 19:37:45	demonicmaniac1	Polochon_street: lscpu c30 or c60?
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2024-04-12 19:39:05	Polochon_street	demonicmaniac1: c60
2024-04-12 19:39:13	demonicmaniac1	nice so at least dualcore
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2024-04-12 19:41:25	Polochon_street	the RAM is very limiting though
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2024-04-12 19:41:48	Polochon_street	but my idea is to look at the arch wiki for a while to get as much out of this PC as possible
2024-04-12 19:42:19	demonicmaniac1	definitely. i retired my 1.5gb machine last year for a 4gb machine and even the 4gb mean i can have either browser or blender or gimp open heh
2024-04-12 19:42:32	Polochon_street	if I can make it my travel PC to browse the web on light websites and do some light coding, I'll be happy
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2024-04-12 19:43:13	demonicmaniac1	browsing will be the biggest challenge for sure. i'd probably check in bios if you can reduce the framebuffer/gart for the radeon so you have more available for the system
2024-04-12 19:43:40	demonicmaniac1	it will map more memory on demand anyways but the gart is hidden from the os and exclusive to the gpu - if you say 6xx it's probably like 384mb for the igp or something?
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2024-04-12 19:43:47	demonicmaniac1	might be able to recude that to 64 or 128 
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2024-04-12 19:44:08	Polochon_street	yeah, I tried to load youtube for fun, it did NOT like it :D
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2024-04-12 19:44:33	demonicmaniac1	pipe-viewer is a terminal browser/search for youtube
2024-04-12 19:44:41	demonicmaniac1	using mpv+yt-dlp for playback then
2024-04-12 19:44:56	demonicmaniac1	highly recommended. and wtwitch for twitch
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2024-04-12 19:45:13	Polochon_street	ah, true, good idea!
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2024-04-12 20:42:03	susi	but does it even play the ads
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2024-04-12 21:57:57	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-12 21:57:57	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1480 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1479 regular)
2024-04-12 21:55:17	noobaroo	I'm just playing around, trying to understand how stuff works
2024-04-12 21:55:51	noobaroo	And i'd rather not start a 4GB download when I already have the image. my internet is very slow
2024-04-12 21:56:20	noobaroo	bswartz You dislike Kubuntu that much?
2024-04-12 21:56:52	bswartz	It's just the wrong channel for it
2024-04-12 21:57:57	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-12 21:59:02	bswartz	And XFCE > KDE
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2024-04-12 22:04:10	noobaroo	I don't think so... I'm not asking for help to install (K)ubuntu 
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2024-04-12 22:04:51	susi	here I did `7z l archlinux-2024.04.01-x86_64.iso`: https://0x0.st/X-1s.txt
2024-04-12 22:06:00	noobaroo	I'm using ventoy-bin (From *Arch* User Repo) and cdrtools (from *Arch* Extra Repo) and wondering why I am getting weird results about converting an iso file on my *Arch* machine
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2024-04-12 22:06:40	noobaroo	It could be any iso file here, just happens to be a Kubuntu one i have laying around 
2024-04-12 22:07:07	another|	Where does ventoy fit in that process?
2024-04-12 22:07:28	noobaroo	Does 7zip preserve unix file permissions though?
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2024-04-12 22:09:18	noobaroo	another| Basically i had a typical Kubuntu liveUSB made with dd and I extracted the files from it, converted those extracted files back into an .iso, formatted the usb clean with ventoy and then put the newly made iso back onto the ventoy 
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2024-04-12 22:11:25	another|	So what where you comparing the new iso to?
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2024-04-12 22:13:05	noobaroo	The imgur pic is basically the contents of USB, and the the pic on the left is the new ISO I made from said contents of USB
2024-04-12 22:13:28	noobaroo	Idk why, but the contents look COMPLETELY different between the two
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2024-04-12 22:14:53	noobaroo	I'm sure there is some technical explanation... I just don't know what it is
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2024-04-12 22:17:18	another|	was that before or after formating the drive?
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2024-04-12 22:19:24	demonicmaniac1	writing an iso to a usb with dd will not let you access all files because there will be multiple partitions and boot sector etcpp
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2024-04-12 22:20:03	another|	demonicmaniac1: I was going to get there eventually ;)
2024-04-12 22:20:59	demonicmaniac1	:)
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2024-04-12 23:05:56	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-12 23:05:56	ℹ 	Topic set by phrik (~phrik@phrik.archlinux.org) on Sat, 10 Feb 2024 18:25:44
2024-04-12 23:05:56	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1476 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1475 regular)
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2024-04-13 00:29:55	anadon	I need to use `kvm -s -cpu  host  -display gtk -vga qxl -accel kvm -kernel arch/x86/boot/bzImage -append  "root=/dev/sda2 console=ttyS0,115200n8 init=/bin/bash" -drive format=raw,file=$HOME/Downloads/Arch-Linux-x86_64-basic.raw -m 4G -smp 2 --snapshot -S` or highly similar for some kernel hacking.  I am just setting everything up for the first time.  No matter what I do, where's something about
2024-04-13 00:29:55	anadon	the boot process that's wrong and causes
2024-04-13 00:29:55	anadon	  the kernel to reject any init executable I direct it to.  Can someone with more intimate knowledge of Arch's boot process help me out here?  It seems like I should be able to smoosh down the layers from the grub boot entry, but I've had no luck in doing so.
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2024-04-13 00:36:24	rcf	anadon: all the filesystems are built as modules, so you need the initramfs 
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2024-04-13 00:37:27	anadon	rcf: Custom kernel, so that part I did simplify and compiled them all in statically.
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2024-04-13 00:40:44	another|	what exactly is the problem? error message?
2024-04-13 00:46:06	⚡ 	cloudowind wishes good times everyone
2024-04-13 00:47:12	rcf	anadon: indeed, what is the exact error? 
2024-04-13 00:47:18	anadon	another|: "Kernel panic - not syncing: Requested init /bin/bash failed (error -2)."
2024-04-13 00:47:19	noobaroo	How can I tell if my dvd drive supports bluray?
2024-04-13 00:48:17	cloudowind	lspci may give you exact model number of it , you could do a search then maybe 
2024-04-13 00:48:40	anadon	!paste
2024-04-13 00:48:40	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-13 00:49:04	Scimmia	bluray drivers support dvd, not the other way around
2024-04-13 00:49:12	Scimmia	s/drivers/drives
2024-04-13 00:49:28	anadon	rcf: another|: https://paste.rs/0DYhV.txt
2024-04-13 00:49:30	phrik	Title: Source Code | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-04-13 00:55:43	Scimmia	anadon: You're trying to use an Ubuntu kernel on Arch?
2024-04-13 00:56:25	Scimmia	Installed on vfat?
2024-04-13 00:58:14	anadon	Scimmia: Opposite.  Host is Ubuntu, guest is Arch.  Arch has always been more well documented, hackable, and had a more lively community.  I just left Arch years ago because system maintenance started eating up too much time.
2024-04-13 00:58:42	anadon	So I'm trying to do the interesting dev work through Arch.
2024-04-13 00:58:56	anadon	Ubuntu just kinda exists.
2024-04-13 00:59:39	Scimmia	The kernel you're trying to boot is from Ubuntu gcc (Ubuntu 13.2.0-23ubuntu3) 13.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.42
2024-04-13 00:59:56	anadon	That's where is was compiled, yes.
2024-04-13 01:00:14	Scimmia	and then you have Arch installed on vfat?
2024-04-13 01:01:14	Scimmia	or are you just passing it the wrong root?
2024-04-13 01:01:36	another|	>[    1.275789][    T1] devtmpfs: error mounting -2
2024-04-13 01:02:02	another|	what kernel config is this?
2024-04-13 01:02:13	anadon	Scimmia: I pulled down an existing VM image from https://github.com/archlinux/arch-boxes
2024-04-13 01:02:14	another|	have you tried a default kernel?
2024-04-13 01:02:39	rcf	another|: the default kernel can't boot this way, it needs an initrd. 
2024-04-13 01:02:41	Scimmia	anadon: and where did you get root=/dev/sda2 from?
2024-04-13 01:02:52	anadon	Scimmia: trial and error
2024-04-13 01:02:58	Scimmia	well it's wrong
2024-04-13 01:03:04	anadon	great
2024-04-13 01:03:09	another|	rcf: yes. so?
2024-04-13 01:05:19	anadon	OK.  I'm going to reset the kernel config, rebuild, target sda3  with initrd set to the initrd image in /boot of sda3(?), retest, then come back. This will take a while.
2024-04-13 01:07:42	another|	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/arch-boxes/-/blob/master/build.sh?ref_type=heads#L53
2024-04-13 01:07:44	phrik	Title: build.sh · master · Arch Linux / arch-boxes · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-13 01:07:52	rcf	Those use btrfs, right? 
2024-04-13 01:07:53	another|	root is the third part
2024-04-13 01:08:16	another|	rcf: line 60
2024-04-13 01:08:35	rcf	Yeah
2024-04-13 01:08:59	rcf	So the vfat indeed gave it away. 
2024-04-13 01:09:15	anadon	Yeah....
2024-04-13 01:13:43	rcf	anadon: if you're doing custom kernels, you'll need a custom initrd as well. 
2024-04-13 01:15:13	anadon	I remember mucking around with this in 2012 trying to get a kernel to fit in less than 256 MB  RAM and I was able to get away without one :P  Has the  infrastructure changed that  much?
2024-04-13 01:16:43	rcf	It shouldn't have. The bigger question is why you couldn't use /dev/sda3 as root.
2024-04-13 01:16:51	rcf	What happens when you try? 
2024-04-13 01:17:15	anadon	 System is locked up by the compiles right now.
2024-04-13 01:18:37	anadon	It  was  some  kernel panic about not being able to recognize partition types.   It then  listed available UUIDs and those for some reason didn't match what I see what I see when I inspect the image using gpart.
2024-04-13 01:27:07	cloudowind	does initrd initramfs?
2024-04-13 01:27:27	anadon	For most purposes, yes.
2024-04-13 01:29:09	cloudowind	ok ty
2024-04-13 01:29:52	anadon	ngl, I miss the feel of pacman and Arch in general.
2024-04-13 01:32:34	Scimmia	cloudowind: same idea, different implementations
2024-04-13 01:38:55	cloudowind	ok Scimmia thank you 
2024-04-13 02:05:13	bluetail	anadon my mac mini runs fedora now. I miss the packages provided. I had to get gdu manually from github.
2024-04-13 02:06:34	Xanazf	1445 arch linux gigachads wow
2024-04-13 02:17:29	bluetail	Xanazf probably off-topic. I googled https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3wqtoj/what_is_the_female_name_equivalent_of_chad/ ... mods, please ignore, I wont post more LOL
2024-04-13 02:19:38	Xanazf	arch linux gigastacies too (mods pls no hurt, i no do no more)
2024-04-13 02:28:37	drathir_tor	hmmm... extra/tor                             0.4.8.10-2           0.4.8.11-1              6.29 MiB
2024-04-13 02:45:11	edu4rdshl	drathir_tor, ?
2024-04-13 02:49:23	drathir_tor	edu4rdshl: just unusual big upgrade size noticed...
2024-04-13 03:11:18	virtualsid	I had to do the dreaded pacman -Qqn | pacman -S --overwrite '*' - to get my system running again. Lots of 0 byte library files when I had that kernel panic in the middle of the update last night. But, I'm back and using Arch (btw) :P
2024-04-13 03:23:27	rcf	!check if Psi-Jack is the one who got the "makepkg not war" tattoo 
2024-04-13 03:23:28	phrik	Testing if Psi-Jack is the one who got the makepkg not war tattoo: [PANIC]
2024-04-13 03:31:26	Gnana	do i need these xorg pkg im using wayland not xorg then why these pkg's are there https://dpaste.org/BT3YM ??
2024-04-13 03:31:28	phrik	Title: dpaste/BT3YM (Python) (at dpaste.org)
2024-04-13 03:31:29	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/X-eq.txt
2024-04-13 03:34:41	rcf	Gnana: pacman -Sii has a "Required By" output that will tell you if anything needs them. 
2024-04-13 03:37:21	rcf	Gnana: I can tell you with certainty that xf86-video-amdgpu is not needed. The others, however, might be. Packages are still built with the assumption that they might be run on X, and Wayland compositors will pull things in through xorg-xwayland (which may not be optional) for backward compatibility. 
2024-04-13 03:41:17	Gnana	okay 
2024-04-13 03:41:21	Gnana	thanks
2024-04-13 03:42:07	Gnana	yeah xorg-wayland im using in muy hypr.conf
2024-04-13 03:42:22	Gnana	i need research. thank you.
2024-04-13 03:42:48	rcf	No problem 
2024-04-13 04:27:31	noobaroo	anyone know why i cant compile this kernel? https://bpa.st/FE6Q
2024-04-13 04:27:32	phrik	Title: View paste FE6Q (at bpa.st)
2024-04-13 04:32:12	Namarrgon	Why are you not using a PKGBUILD?
2024-04-13 04:38:10	Namarrgon	It could be a compiler bug or bad compiler flags or bad kernel code or a bad patch. 6.7 is EOL and you're not even building the last version.
2024-04-13 04:40:26	anadon	rcf: I've progressed to the next hangup.  Moved kernel compilation to inside the VM and following the wiki on traditional custom kernel configuration and compilation.   The machine is hanging on boot after GRUB prints the message "Loading initial ramdisk..."/
2024-04-13 04:41:20	anadon	Host CPU is 5%-7% which I think is VM related overhead.  
2024-04-13 04:44:13	anadon	Nothing is jumping out  at me about the file sizes in /boot.  mkinitcpio warnings were all expected given the modules I'm interested in and might be using I set to me compiled in statically.
2024-04-13 04:49:11	anadon	Oh!  This is just a legit bug.  
2024-04-13 04:49:45	rcf	Oh, you found a report? 
2024-04-13 04:49:45	anadon	I'm not reporting this right now.  I have another that I'm literally working on.
2024-04-13 04:50:24	rcf	Sometimes you do get really unlucky. The first time you try something is the time it's actually broken. 
2024-04-13 04:50:56	anadon	rcf: Looks like under the right (see: unknown) conditions, the screen doesn't change in the tty to allow login, but the old serial tty interface still works and you can login there.
2024-04-13 04:51:14	rcf	Wait, what's your command line 
2024-04-13 04:51:27	anadon	Default.
2024-04-13 04:51:49	anadon	-ish
2024-04-13 04:51:50	rcf	Well, you were originally aiming for serial, so I guess that's fine 
2024-04-13 04:52:13	anadon	Look, it's kernel dev.  Things and getting bent in odd ways.
2024-04-13 04:52:19	anadon	*are
2024-04-13 05:09:54	tijko	Writing a quick directory script to sort the largest ones outputting to stdout
2024-04-13 05:10:21	tijko	du -cs | sort -k1 -n | awk '{printf "%s - %s\n", $2, $1}'
2024-04-13 05:13:54	anadon	I think there's a `find -type f -print0` trick or something that's a little better for that.  Or replace type for "d" for directories.  Your sentence structure is unclear.
2024-04-13 05:17:17	tijko	anadon?
2024-04-13 05:17:41	tijko	lol but honestly I was being vague probably subconsciously here.
2024-04-13 05:18:11	tijko	I'm just about there but could have used a very minor pointer in my script.
2024-04-13 05:19:04	tijko	anadon -> ls | xargs -I {} du -cs {} | sort -n
2024-04-13 05:19:34	tijko	anadon does is close but still off
2024-04-13 05:23:46	tijko	anadon *I think* the first code I put above needs to be re-ordered slightly.  With: ls | du -cs | awk (just showing the order not syntactically correct)
2024-04-13 05:28:10	tijko	I found out I was mistaking with how I was using "du"
2024-04-13 05:28:23	anadon	What I'm reading from you seems to be the  middle of a thought.  I can't infer the intent and goal.
2024-04-13 05:28:58	anadon	👍
2024-04-13 05:36:51	rcf	tijko: my question is the use of awk here 
2024-04-13 05:40:23	tijko	rcf as you should really
2024-04-13 05:40:39	rcf	sort itself works well enough. 
2024-04-13 05:41:20	tijko	If you're interested: du -s * | sort -k1 -nr | awk '{printf "Size: %s\t\tFile: %s\n", $1, $2}' | head -n10
2024-04-13 05:41:36	anadon	He said it was being used as a part of a script,  so presumably it was to limit it to data that could be shunted into an array for further processing.
2024-04-13 05:41:43	tijko	rcf It was an exercise and I'm not good with awk
2024-04-13 05:42:19	tijko	anadon absolutely I wouldn't want to chug away on processing cycles lol
2024-04-13 05:43:01	tijko	Doesn't look as clean but you're definitely right
2024-04-13 05:43:29	thurstylark	Ok, sanity check... I've moved some read-only btrfs subvolumes from one machine to another. I've created writable subvols based on those I moved. There have been 3 years worth of changes since that was done, and I know I don't need anything from in there. Am I ok to rm the originals to cull some space back?
2024-04-13 05:44:03	anadon	Gah!  I'm itching to optimize this kernel hacking setup!  
2024-04-13 05:45:00	thurstylark	mah brain gets a bit wibbly wobbly when it comes to deduplication and the other abstractities that btrfs likes to indulge in :P
2024-04-13 05:51:07	tijko	thurstylark carefull you might rack a few more brains if its like that
2024-04-13 07:07:38	red_man	hi all
2024-04-13 07:57:27	BertoX	hi guys
2024-04-13 07:59:13	BertoX	I have a issue setting up aur custom repository : I can't create my empty custom db anymore :(. I used to do like that : (as root) install -d /var/cache/pacman/custom/ -o $USER then (as $USER) repo-add /var/cache/pacman/custom/custom.db.tar
2024-04-13 07:59:57	BertoX	but now the command repo-add returns this message : ==> No changes made to package database.
2024-04-13 08:00:20	BertoX	now if I try to install a aur package : realpath: /var/cache/pacman/custom/custom.db: No such file or directory
2024-04-13 08:01:38	BertoX	I used a automated script (so when aur repo is installad during archlinux initial install). I did not modify my scripts for monthes, does anything changed ?
2024-04-13 08:04:47	BertoX	the only way for me to have arutils working is to take custom.db from another host 
2024-04-13 08:05:07	mpan	BertoX: hello. You must add at least a single package to the database now.
2024-04-13 08:05:20	BertoX	oh
2024-04-13 08:05:35	BertoX	let me try thx
2024-04-13 08:05:43	mpan	That is: AFAIK at some point it became not possible to create an empty database.
2024-04-13 08:07:04	BrainDamage	that point has been less than a month ago
2024-04-13 08:08:27	BrainDamage	my crappy workaround is to pick a random package from cache to init the repo and then remove it, it's ugly but it works
2024-04-13 08:09:59	BertoX	repo-add -n /var/cache/pacman/custom/custom.db.tar /var/cache/pacman/custom/xz-5.6.1-3-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst  worked ! thank you
2024-04-13 08:10:41	BertoX	nedd to update my scripts now
2024-04-13 08:10:59	BertoX	@BrainDamage, I'll do the same
2024-04-13 09:16:29	Gnana	vulkaninfo command not found?
2024-04-13 09:16:39	Gnana	i haev installed vulkan-icd-loader
2024-04-13 09:17:15	Gnana	lib32-vulkan-icd-loader 1.3.279-1
2024-04-13 09:17:17	Gnana	vulkan-headers 1:1.3.279-1
2024-04-13 09:17:19	Gnana	vulkan-icd-loader 1.3.279-1
2024-04-13 09:17:21	Gnana	vulkan-validation-layers 1.3.275-1
2024-04-13 09:17:29	Gnana	installed
2024-04-13 09:19:45	Gnana	do i need to reboot?
2024-04-13 09:21:40	Gnana	oh ok vulkan-tools was need.
2024-04-13 09:21:42	Gnana	ed
2024-04-13 10:28:18	m15k	Hi. I have a computer on my network which just stopped beeing accessible via hostname. Andy troubleshooting ideas to narrow down the problem?
2024-04-13 10:31:26	bitblt	Hello!
2024-04-13 10:31:44	virtualsid	m15k: how does the name resolution work? are you using avahi or something else like that, m15k? wondering if maybe a daemon or something just needs a kick.
2024-04-13 10:31:56	bitblt	Has anybody managed to configure hidpi for GTK4 apps?
2024-04-13 10:32:53	bitblt	I'm having a pretty hard time making normal Xft.dpi apps + GTK2/3 + GTK4 apps play along now that GDK_DPI_SCALE environment variable is removed from GTK4
2024-04-13 10:33:48	m15k	virtualsid: I think I just use NetworkManager to handle dns resolution.
2024-04-13 10:34:34	virtualsid	I use a pi-hole as a DHCP server, and a local domain of 'lan', so I can ping my hostnames with things like ping laptop.lan
2024-04-13 10:35:04	virtualsid	it's more than just your single machine that you need to look at, if this is failing. Is any other device able to get to that failing device by name?
2024-04-13 10:37:01	m15k	virtualsid: I start to think that my router just sucks as fck
2024-04-13 10:54:05	virtualsid	:(
2024-04-13 10:59:04	tijko	virtualsid huh?
2024-04-13 11:01:22	novns	is it possible to sign in into Arch's gitlab?
2024-04-13 11:02:38	novns	I did this before once, now it keep asking about one-time code and the old way to generate a TOTP doesn't work
2024-04-13 11:04:18	novns	where or how to get a working TOTP, please?
2024-04-13 11:22:13	novns	there should be the easy bug reporting system, without this long, harsh and obscure gitlab registering, and without this never working mysterious sign-in TOTP thing
2024-04-13 11:23:04	jelle	novns: what totp app do you use?
2024-04-13 11:23:37	novns	jelle, oathtool, as in the wiki
2024-04-13 11:23:48	novns	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Initiative_for_Open_Authentication#Generate_OTPs_from_the_command_line
2024-04-13 11:23:49	phrik	Title: Initiative for Open Authentication - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-13 11:24:02	jelle	aha
2024-04-13 11:24:23	novns	the key is the same I used when I registered months ago
2024-04-13 11:25:33	novns	shall I generate a new one?
2024-04-13 11:26:17	jelle	novns: how would that work without being able to login?
2024-04-13 11:26:48	novns	jelle, not sure, I'm about to give up
2024-04-13 11:27:04	jelle	I don't even understand these instructions tbh
2024-04-13 11:27:22	novns	I want to report a bug, I cannot sign-in into gitlab
2024-04-13 11:27:37	jelle	I read that
2024-04-13 11:28:11	jelle	you are going to have to proof you have ownership of your account to get a token reset
2024-04-13 11:28:40	novns	login/password are ok there, just no TOTP
2024-04-13 11:29:32	novns	ideally I should receive TOTP from gitlab to my email
2024-04-13 11:30:31	jelle	novns: that's not how it works
2024-04-13 11:30:37	novns	but I have to generate it myself
2024-04-13 11:30:50	jelle	no?
2024-04-13 11:31:03	novns	and I do, and it's never valid
2024-04-13 11:31:12	jelle	novns: what do you mean with generate?
2024-04-13 11:31:29	novns	oathtool --base32 --totp KEY
2024-04-13 11:31:48	novns	just as I did once after registering, that time it was successful
2024-04-13 11:32:00	novns	I use the same KEY
2024-04-13 11:32:08	jelle	and the KEY is what you got from keycloak?
2024-04-13 11:32:40	novns	what keycloak?  never heard about this before :)
2024-04-13 11:32:44	jelle	or is the key like otpauth://TYPE/LABEL?PARAMETERS
2024-04-13 11:32:59	novns	it is never mentioned nowhere
2024-04-13 11:33:32	jelle	novns: wait, did you setup TOTP in gitlab?
2024-04-13 11:33:47	novns	jelle, I was told on this channel to generate a key using `head -c 16 /dev/urandom | base32 --wrap 0`
2024-04-13 11:33:53	jelle	novns: what?
2024-04-13 11:33:56	novns	just like in the wiki
2024-04-13 11:34:00	jelle	that makes no sense at all
2024-04-13 11:34:06	novns	sur
2024-04-13 11:34:08	novns	sure
2024-04-13 11:34:16	novns	it worked that time
2024-04-13 11:34:20	jelle	novns: why try pain when you can use aegis or anything better
2024-04-13 11:34:25	jelle	pass otp even
2024-04-13 11:34:57	novns	jelle, I have no idea how these things work, I just do what someone told me here
2024-04-13 11:35:16	novns	it worked that time, bow it doesn't
2024-04-13 11:35:40	novns	and sadly there is no simple wiki article with all variants and instructions
2024-04-13 11:35:48	novns	*now
2024-04-13 11:36:29	jelle	novns: the page should have recommended some things
2024-04-13 11:37:30	jelle	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/keycloak-archlinux-theme/-/blob/main/lib/src/main/resources/theme/archlinux/login/login-config-totp.ftl#L19
2024-04-13 11:37:31	phrik	Title: lib/src/main/resources/theme/archlinux/login/login-config-totp.ftl · main · Arch Linux / Keycloak Arch Linux Theme · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-13 11:37:37	jelle	nowhere does our official info say oauthtool
2024-04-13 11:37:55	jelle	but if you still have otpauth://totp/Example%20Company:alice@google.com?secret=JBSWY3DPEHPK3PXP&issuer=Example%20Company you can for example import it in pass
2024-04-13 11:39:57	novns	thanks, I will try later
2024-04-13 11:58:24	solsTiCe	hi. so I changed the way to unlock my LUKS root with a security key with using *systemd-cryptenroll*. I added  recovery-key from sd-cryptenroll too. As my first boot failed because my usb key was not recoginzed (??? I saw read error in the log), I could experiment with the fallback method with recovery key like bitlocker...I couldn't finish to type
2024-04-13 11:58:24	solsTiCe	my key, and the boot fallback to prompt for emergency root. How could I increase some timeout to avoid emegency shell (I got one because I have setup a root password for that, hopefully). It seems the timeout of the systemd-cryptsetup.service got in the way of typing my recovery key?
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2024-04-13 12:56:08	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-13 13:16:47	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-13 13:39:29	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-13 13:40:58	susi	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/System_configuration#Timeout
2024-04-13 13:40:59	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/System configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-13 14:34:27	cloudowind	it takes like 2 seconds to boot into arch after grub:) and its an old cpu intel 7x 
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2024-04-13 15:38:20	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-13 14:45:53	orbita	Quick sanity-check: I have a python package I'd like to install globally (it's a plugin). Is the best approach to make a PKGBUILD ? 
2024-04-13 14:47:10	orbita	Is there a cannonical example of this?
2024-04-13 14:55:04	bookworm	the python packaging guidelines for the aur
2024-04-13 14:55:36	bookworm	or just look at any old pkgbuild that is a python lib from the core repos
2024-04-13 14:58:24	tonitch	Hellow, I have a strange problem with xrandr and bspwm. I have a two screen setup. My main on the right is oriented to the right and my left is oriented to the left. I setup them up using xrandr --rotate left/right. my mouse can go from one screen to the other in the right direction and all but the content of my left screen is not rotated... I don't know if this is because of xrandr or bspwm but
2024-04-13 14:58:26	tonitch	I don't know what I can do 
2024-04-13 15:13:56	atticf	*.archlinux.page has been inaccessible from Tor for as long as it was a thing iirc. (not *.archlinux.org, that's fine)
2024-04-13 15:14:16	atticf	I looked into it recently and it seems the connection usually gets closed during the TLS handshake, and if it does pass that then it gets broken before the server can send a response when using HTTP/2 (but when HTTP/1.1 is used I get a response, not sure if it would get closed later since I just used curl to fetch the index page then quit)
2024-04-13 15:14:38	atticf	It would be nice if it could be loosened, considering *.archlinux.org has no issues with it.
2024-04-13 15:14:46	monr0e	tonitch I had a similar issue a few years ago. I used a xorg.conf that I applied system-wide (as opposed to in ~/), which set monitor dimensions before any other overlays lik ea DE started. I swear by it now - it's changed a bit with systemd, I now have it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/30-display.conf, but it still works just the same
2024-04-13 15:15:31	monr0e	tonitch: my xorg conf: https://paste.debian.net/1313960/
2024-04-13 15:16:15	monr0e	that sets rotation and precise position, starting from 0, 0 which is the uppermost left corner of my leftmost monitor
2024-04-13 15:34:22	bookworm	hrm, latest chromium + sway give me an empty window (just showing my background) when I launch chromium with --ozone-plattform=auto ; anyone else seeing this?
2024-04-13 15:34:47	bookworm	xwayland works, just the native wayland stuff seems broken
2024-04-13 15:35:05	bookworm	nothing in the chromium stdout / stderr logs when launched from a terminal
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2024-04-13 15:48:45	tonitch	monr0e: do you happen to have a gpd pocket 3 by any chance ? x)
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2024-04-13 15:58:57	monr0e	tonitch: I do not. Is that the problem device?
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2024-04-13 16:11:25	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-13 16:33:46	Hunker	!paste
2024-04-13 16:33:46	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-13 16:34:10	Hunker	!0x0
2024-04-13 16:34:11	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-04-13 16:34:25	Hunker	!rs
2024-04-13 16:34:25	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
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2024-04-13 16:38:53	chovy	when 6.9 land?
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2024-04-13 16:41:08	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-13 16:39:33	Namarrgon	It wasn't even released yet.
2024-04-13 16:39:55	chovy	so when?
2024-04-13 16:40:00	chovy	like 6 months?
2024-04-13 16:40:02	chovy	a year?
2024-04-13 16:40:18	phrik	every time someone asks about a release date it is postponed by a week
2024-04-13 16:41:08	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-13 16:41:45	chovy	lol
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2024-04-13 16:42:00	chovy	i know i know but what is the typical release cycle for point releasaes?
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2024-04-13 16:42:22	Namarrgon	Look at the RC tags for past releases.
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2024-04-13 17:11:39	noobaroo	Hi guys. Today when I woke up about 45 mins ago, I went to my PC and screen was black. I moved the mouse and hit keyboard and couldnt get it to wake up. So i ended up holding down the power button, and when I tried to turn it back on it wouldnt come on at all
2024-04-13 17:12:20	noobaroo	I used different power cables, used different electrical outlets, unplugged everything except power cable....
2024-04-13 17:12:30	jelle	and the monitor is on?
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2024-04-13 17:13:23	noobaroo	I ended up eating breakfast and when i came back, i plugged it in and it turned on normally
2024-04-13 17:13:36	noobaroo	but jelle I am wondering if the power supply is maybe going bad? 
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2024-04-13 17:13:52	noobaroo	Would that cause no video while being on?
2024-04-13 17:14:17	noobaroo	i actually posted this in hardware too, i didnt know how active either of the chats would be
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2024-04-13 17:17:53	noobaroo	I disagree, because they only have to reply once
2024-04-13 17:18:01	noobaroo	I'm the one having to repeat everything I say
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2024-04-13 17:18:34	noobaroo	But okay, in the future I'll wait longer before posting in another channel
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2024-04-13 17:31:54	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-13 18:23:58	Weirdbeardgame	I need help with a package I'm maintaining. https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/shaderc-non-semantic-debug
2024-04-13 18:23:58	Weirdbeardgame	I made this to fix PCSX2 because Stenz made a custom patched version of shaderc. It would've been literal patching hell in my pcsx2-git package if I cloned shaderc and patched it there ... Anyways. Right now I'm stuck because my package is seen as a massive conflict by mpv and everything else that calls shaderc.
2024-04-13 18:23:59	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - shaderc-non-semantic-debug (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-04-13 18:24:09	Weirdbeardgame	Any suggestions would be appreciated 
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2024-04-13 18:26:10	Scimmia	Weirdbeardgame: you're missing a provides if this can actually replace shaderc
2024-04-13 18:29:52	Weirdbeardgame	I took the script from the main shaderc package 
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2024-04-13 18:30:03	Scimmia	read up on what provides is
2024-04-13 18:30:08	Weirdbeardgame	But I'll move to the air channel of it's more proper 
2024-04-13 18:30:16	Weirdbeardgame	Ill look at provides yeah
2024-04-13 18:30:40	Weirdbeardgame	Though they're providing the same thing 
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2024-04-13 18:31:36	Scimmia	but the pkgnames are different
2024-04-13 18:31:46	Scimmia	which means the provides need to change
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2024-04-13 20:22:18	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-13 20:51:10	Skaarj	Is is possible to modify the system-wide /etc/pacman.conf /etc/makepkg.conf with drop-in files like one can with systemd or sudo?
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2024-04-13 21:54:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-13 21:44:24	tb0n3	been tying to troubleshoot this issue, but can't seem to find others with the same issue. On my main computer I use a logitech mouse with a unifying receiver. It seems like certain actions in the system suddenly drop the input from KDE, and even make it so inputs can't be read without root.
2024-04-13 21:44:40	tb0n3	unplugging the receiver and plugging it back in seems to fix it
2024-04-13 21:44:46	tb0n3	sometimes it resolves on it's own
2024-04-13 21:45:45	tb0n3	and sometimes changing plugs or unplugging replugging doesn't fix it
2024-04-13 21:46:18	tb0n3	and now I can get it to show up and give activity in evtest but not in kde
2024-04-13 21:51:11	tb0n3	 /topic 
2024-04-13 21:51:47	Namarrgon	tb0n3: What kind of actions lead to this?
2024-04-13 21:52:33	tb0n3	It seems certain actions trying to launch games in steam is what comes to mind immediately, but sometimes updating pacman
2024-04-13 21:52:51	tb0n3	seems like some kind of conflict
2024-04-13 21:52:57	tb0n3	just got my mouse back
2024-04-13 21:53:51	tb0n3	When I look at Mouse in settings it shows my keyboard as the mouse grayed out
2024-04-13 21:53:56	tb0n3	my keyboard is just a keyboard
2024-04-13 21:54:06	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-13 21:55:06	tb0n3	but it's still there when the mouse it back as a listed device. Just no mouse shows up. evtest at some points needs root to see mouse activity, then it doesn't, but it still doesn't show up in kde sometimes
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2024-04-13 21:56:40	tb0n3	KDE/wayland
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2024-04-13 21:57:20	Namarrgon	Does anything get logged to journal when this happens?
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2024-04-13 22:00:15	tb0n3	Apr 13 15:45:12 mobile (udev-worker)[699921]: hiddev1: Process '/usr/bin/ddcutil chkusbmon /dev/usb/hiddev1 -v' terminated by signal SEGV.
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2024-04-13 22:00:18	tb0n3	Apr 13 15:45:12 mobile (udev-worker)[699921]: hiddev1: Failed to wait for spawned command '/usr/bin/ddcutil chkusbmon /dev/usb/hiddev1 -v': Input/output error
2024-04-13 22:00:21	tb0n3	Apr 13 15:45:12 mobile (udev-worker)[699921]: hiddev1: /usr/lib/udev/rules.d/60-ddcutil-usb.rules:8 Failed to execute "/usr/bin/ddcutil chkusbmon /dev/usb/hiddev1 -v": Input/output error
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2024-04-13 22:00:34	tb0n3	seems to be display related?
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2024-04-13 22:00:49	tb0n3	might be something else
2024-04-13 22:03:22	tb0n3	Might have something to do with my bluetooth controller which obviously will be connected when I'm doing something with steam. A lot of errors seem to come from the controller and bluetoothd
2024-04-13 22:07:10	Namarrgon	Does it still happen without ddcutil?
2024-04-13 22:07:41	Namarrgon	run "udevadm monitor" as root in a terminal, then provoke it again
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2024-04-13 22:10:17	tb0n3	I'll see what I can do. Always hard to debug seemingly random occurances. I'll leave it running
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2024-04-13 22:11:43	Namarrgon	There is a potential issue with the pacman hook that triggers udev but that wouldn't necessarily explain why it also happens when starting steam games.
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2024-04-13 22:15:13	tb0n3	Always stupidly freak out a bit whenever I see the constant sshd login attempts from whatever ip to root
2024-04-13 22:15:27	tb0n3	had to make sure I still had permitroot no
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2024-04-13 22:16:43	vardo	Hi, I eventually succeeded in getting GDM to run. I have a question: is it normal that GDM is on tty1 and GNOME on tty2?
2024-04-13 22:16:57	Namarrgon	Yes, that's normal.
2024-04-13 22:17:01	vardo	OK thanks
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2024-04-13 22:18:31	vardo	Chances of being able to run gnome through startx dropped to about 15%, but gdm seems to load gnome fine.
2024-04-13 22:18:55	Namarrgon	It usually defaults to wayland.
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2024-04-13 22:21:00	tb0n3	Unsure if it's related, but lately it seems like the udev hook takes a long time in pacman
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2024-04-13 22:24:20	vardo	Namarrgon, but apparently I'm stil running x11. I typed loginctl show-session 3 -p Type and it returned x11 
2024-04-13 22:24:45	Namarrgon	Yes but what about gdm?
2024-04-13 22:25:22	tirnanog	tb0n3: these days, the defaults are somewhat safe as they disable keyboard-interactive auth for the root user. I would hope that most end up disabling password and keyboard-interactive auth outright rather than fret over PermitRoot.
2024-04-13 22:26:42	tb0n3	tirnanog: I do both when I'm setting up. But you never know. They're always trying to login everywhere.
2024-04-13 22:27:45	vardo	Namarrgon, I don't understand the question, should there be a difference between gdm and gnome?
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2024-04-13 22:33:27	rick-prime	how does one go about opening an iso after mounting? trying to install star wars galaxies
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2024-04-13 22:34:14	Namarrgon	vardo: gdm running on vt1 is a separate session from whatever you start from it
2024-04-13 22:34:30	Namarrgon	rick-prime: "opening"?
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2024-04-13 22:34:59	tb0n3	Opening solaar adds and removes a bunch of virtual input devices. Recently solaar installations fail because of a change in dependencies, so maybe it's a lingering bug? Though I don't think I usually open solaar until after the issue started
2024-04-13 22:35:18	rcf	rick-prime: cd?
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2024-04-13 22:35:41	Namarrgon	Once the iso is mounted you can look at and run the stuff on it.
2024-04-13 22:35:42	another|	define "opening"
2024-04-13 22:35:45	rick-prime	yea its 3 separate iso disk
2024-04-13 22:36:05	rick-prime	i did it a while ago for everquest but that was like 4 years ago
2024-04-13 22:36:14	Namarrgon	How did you mount the iso?
2024-04-13 22:36:30	vardo	Namarrgon, I don't see anything about wayland when I run gdm. Also, I get an error while trying to refresh initramfs with the following line in /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf:   options NVreg_PreserveVideoMemoryAllocations=1  it says kmod config parse ignoring bad line
2024-04-13 22:36:53	rick-prime	with the mount command "sudo mount /home/<user>/Downloads/swg-disk3.iso /mnt/iso/ -o loop"
2024-04-13 22:37:26	Namarrgon	"ls -l /mn/iso"
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2024-04-13 22:37:28	Namarrgon	+t
2024-04-13 22:38:05	rick-prime	gives me the extracted files
2024-04-13 22:38:15	Namarrgon	Problem solved?
2024-04-13 22:38:20	rick-prime	oh i see
2024-04-13 22:38:27	rick-prime	then its an issue with my drivers
2024-04-13 22:38:35	rick-prime	well, thats fucked
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2024-04-13 22:39:12	Namarrgon	vardo: "ps -e -u gdm"
2024-04-13 22:39:32	rick-prime	when i try to use wine to run the "autorun.exe" it tells me to consider using nouv
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2024-04-13 22:39:37	rick-prime	i forgot how to spell it
2024-04-13 22:39:52	rick-prime	but im not sure how nvidia works with it
2024-04-13 22:40:02	tirnanog	vardo: the modprobe.d grammar (it has a man page) expected for the module name to be specified, not just the option itself.
2024-04-13 22:40:03	Namarrgon	I'm afraid you're going to have to post more of the output
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2024-04-13 22:40:34	rick-prime	i got you
2024-04-13 22:41:11	vardo	tirnanog, oh right... thanks!
2024-04-13 22:41:42	rick-prime	whats the command for sending output to dpaste?
2024-04-13 22:43:12	tirnanog	I don't know but there are a fair few pastebins intended to be terminal-friendly from the outset (termbin.com, 0x0.st etc).
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2024-04-13 22:43:43	rick-prime	ill just go to the site
2024-04-13 22:44:07	rick-prime	its been a while since i asked for help of this sort on here
2024-04-13 22:44:22	rick-prime	i dont remember all the different ones or which is the best
2024-04-13 22:44:30	rick-prime	im also not close to sober
2024-04-13 22:45:12	rcf	!paste
2024-04-13 22:45:13	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-04-13 22:45:24	tirnanog	ah. well, as arch already has curl, 0x0.st is a decent enough choice: your_command |& curl curl -F'file=@-' https://0x0.st
2024-04-13 22:45:37	tirnanog	er, without the duplicate "curl".
2024-04-13 22:45:38	rick-prime	ah alrighty
2024-04-13 22:46:38	rick-prime	https://bpa.st/SXPQ
2024-04-13 22:46:39	phrik	Title: View paste SXPQ (at bpa.st)
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2024-04-13 22:48:39	Namarrgon	Is this on a system with two gpus?
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2024-04-13 22:50:11	rick-prime	yes, one integrated and one nvidia
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2024-04-13 22:50:42	vardo	Namarrgon, now I am on wayland (on both), wasn't before (neither g
2024-04-13 22:50:47	vardo	dm nor gnome)
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2024-04-13 22:51:31	Namarrgon	Does gnome still have that udev rule to block wayland on nvidia?
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2024-04-13 22:53:29	novns	yes
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2024-04-13 22:54:21	novns	it checks for KMS, for all modules loaded and for some services running
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2024-04-13 22:56:20	novns	and it doesn't allow wayland with hybrid graphics in some cases
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2024-04-13 22:57:35	novns	btw, weird things happens with nvidia/wayland sometimes
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2024-04-13 22:59:00	novns	mpv's video output hangs but only if you haven't lock the screen yourself or by the screensaver
2024-04-13 22:59:18	novns	once screen was locked and then unlocked - mpv starts working fine
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2024-04-13 23:01:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-13 23:01:12	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1479 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1478 regular)
2024-04-13 23:00:55	rick-prime	eh, fuck it -- thats a problem or later chef
2024-04-13 23:01:04	novns	switching off the second HDMI display terminates the session
2024-04-13 23:01:12	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-13 23:01:54	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-13 23:01:54	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1478 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1477 regular)
2024-04-13 23:01:43	novns	DVI displays can be switched off without problems
2024-04-13 23:01:54	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-13 23:06:20	novns	btw, I've finally migrated from pulseaudio to pipewire.  it works now
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2024-04-13 23:07:23	novns	there were problems with resampling and ice1712 PCI cards
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2024-04-13 23:08:46	rick-prime	going to try to use bottles
2024-04-13 23:11:26	rick-prime	i fixed it lol
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2024-04-14 00:43:20	tb0n3	Is it typical for the "reloading device manager" part of pacman to spam udevadm monitor with more lines than typical konsole scrollback?
2024-04-14 00:43:35	tb0n3	it's been taking a while lately and it seems like it's excessive
2024-04-14 00:45:49	Namarrgon	tb0n3: To a degree the amount of output will depend on what udev rules, and their owning packages, you have installed.
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2024-04-14 01:10:49	immyowngod	Hello =)
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2024-04-14 01:24:41	jenia	Hello
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2024-04-14 01:25:24	jenia	I'm getting this error when I try to upgrade google-chrome:  > ERROR: Cannot find the debugedit binary required for including source files in debug packag.
2024-04-14 01:25:32	jenia	I'm installing the aur package with makepkg -sri
2024-04-14 01:25:42	jenia	do you know what could cause this problem?
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2024-04-14 01:29:29	jenia	looks like I don't have base devel installed (flustered)... anyways, installing ;) We'll see
2024-04-14 01:30:05	tb0n3	If anybody pays attention to the archinstall script, it doesn't currently handle there being lvm volumegroups on the selected install drive
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2024-04-14 01:30:46	tb0n3	I'm not sure if it's something it CAN handle because I had no luck trying commands, and ended up just deleting stuff in cfdisk and rebooting
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2024-04-14 01:35:43	another|	jenia: https://archlinux.org/news/switch-to-the-base-devel-meta-package-requires-manual-intervention/
2024-04-14 01:35:44	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Switch to the base-devel meta package requires manual intervention (at archlinux.org)
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2024-04-14 07:27:57	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-14 02:09:14	gehidore	tb0n3 #archinstall
2024-04-14 02:17:13	tb0n3	Thought I'd check the arch discord since I can't seem to find a search term for any community related directly to archinstall. They ask about pronouns and have an lgbtq channel. It's arch linux, not your friend group. Kind of jarring
2024-04-14 02:18:14	tb0n3	kay. you mentioned a discord. Do you have a link, or details?
2024-04-14 02:18:43	phrik	Title: Discord — python-archinstall v2.3.0 documentation (at archinstall.archlinux.page)
2024-04-14 02:19:27	gaku	ew discord
2024-04-14 02:21:55	tb0n3	gaku: eww irc. You should use usenet
2024-04-14 02:22:03	tb0n3	honestly I do dislike the move away from forums though
2024-04-14 02:22:18	tb0n3	hard to search active conversation for fixed issues or troubleshooting
2024-04-14 02:24:15	gaku	Psi-Jack: still true, that platform is an example of how not to make a text-based whatever the heck it is
2024-04-14 02:24:56	gaku	and I still can't wrap my head around the fact some ppl actually rely on it for sharing/posting things
2024-04-14 02:24:59	tb0n3	Python's errors are super convoluted. When I got the error from archinstall it was far from obvious that it was the partitioning section that broke. It was a full parsing of the error instead of seeing right front and center.
2024-04-14 02:25:19	gaku	some of them being text files that could instead be in some kind of pastebin
2024-04-14 02:25:51	tb0n3	even on the latest iso?
2024-04-14 02:26:04	tb0n3	okay
2024-04-14 02:26:15	tb0n3	Not too often I'll need it. It was a nice thing to try though
2024-04-14 02:27:02	tb0n3	ah. Is the ISO first of the month release? When I look at it and see the date I kind of just assume it's a daily or very frequently updated image
2024-04-14 02:27:57	tb0n3	THE INCIDENT
2024-04-14 02:28:14	tb0n3	lots of content for linux youtubers for sure
2024-04-14 02:29:13	tb0n3	did you alter the MOTD or anything?
2024-04-14 02:29:35	tijko	sup
2024-04-14 02:30:18	tb0n3	tijko: Yes, I have suped a few hours ago.
2024-04-14 02:30:52	tijko	tb0n3 good, make sure
2024-04-14 02:30:59	tb0n3	Nothing fancy, just ramen since I forgot to go grocery shopping
2024-04-14 02:32:51	tb0n3	I've gotten myself a minisforum minipc and had some strange issues with crashes in windows and high framerate. No issues in linux. Windows really has gone to crap
2024-04-14 02:33:52	tb0n3	Especially with HDR finally working...kind of, not much reason to use Windows
2024-04-14 02:39:33	mags	what part of a system update (pacman -Syu) is messing up my /home dir symlink?
2024-04-14 02:40:09	Scimmia	 /home should NEVER be a symlink
2024-04-14 02:40:26	mags	I've had /home be a symlink to /mnt/ssd/home for a while now, but the latest system update removed the symlink and replaced it with a blank /home dir
2024-04-14 02:40:50	Scimmia	you cannot replace pacman managed dirs with a symlink. Use mounts/bind mounts
2024-04-14 02:41:09	mags	sweet, where would I have found this out?
2024-04-14 02:41:38	Scimmia	where would have found out to use a symlink?
2024-04-14 02:42:17	mags	that's just the way I've done it for a while with no problems, made sense to me
2024-04-14 02:42:25	Scimmia	but basic logic tells you that replacing pacman managed files/dirs/etc will get reveresed on update
2024-04-14 02:42:41	mags	I guess I never knew /home was managed by pacman
2024-04-14 02:42:50	Scimmia	where do you think the dir came from?
2024-04-14 02:43:05	mags	when you add a user
2024-04-14 02:43:16	Scimmia	no, that's /home/<username>
2024-04-14 02:43:54	mags	yeah. I'm going to bind mount /home now instead of symlink
2024-04-14 02:45:30	mags	as an aside, `pacman -F /home` gives me nothing, so is it really managed by pacman or not?
2024-04-14 02:46:49	masoudd	pacman -Qo /home
2024-04-14 02:47:23	mags	there we go, thanks
2024-04-14 02:47:26	masoudd	or pacman -F /home/
2024-04-14 02:51:29	tb0n3	Psi-Jack: I got a UM790Pro which was the one with the issue. Never figured it out for windows, but I just replaced it with a hx100g with the rx6650m discrete gfx card. Giving the 790 to my parents since they have a chromebook and phones for stuff atm
2024-04-14 03:05:54	vardo	Hi. Does someone know why lspci says my video card has 16G while nvidia-smi says (correctly) 12G?
2024-04-14 03:06:05	vardo	VRAM, that is
2024-04-14 03:14:08	tb0n3	vardo: probably because lspci is reading general details. lspci doesn't even know if my gfx card is a 6800/6800XT/6900XT. certainly makes sense that vendor specific utilities would read correctly
2024-04-14 03:15:13	vardo	tb0n3, I understand lspci wouldn't know proprietary specifics, but incorrectly stating memory ranges is a bit unexpected
2024-04-14 03:21:13	vardo	Other question: lspci lists nouveau, nvidia_drm and nvidia as kernel modules, even though I specifically blacklisted nouveau and unloaded it, why nouveau still shows?
2024-04-14 03:21:48	vardo	(in the VGA compatible controller section)
2024-04-14 03:24:50	Namarrgon	lspci also lists which of these modules is in use
2024-04-14 03:28:17	vardo	Namarrgon, yes it does, but why does it mention nouveau? Is it just because it was installed?
2024-04-14 03:28:53	Namarrgon	it's listed by lspci because the module itself lists your hw as supported
2024-04-14 03:29:42	vardo	Should I remove nouveau altogether?
2024-04-14 03:29:53	Namarrgon	No, why?
2024-04-14 03:31:18	vardo	Just in case it conflicts with the proprietary driver somehow?
2024-04-14 03:32:25	Namarrgon	It's not uncommon to have multiple drivers for the same hardware. In this case the nvidia packages already ship a kmod config that blacklists nouveau.
2024-04-14 03:32:35	Namarrgon	You're chasing ghosts.
2024-04-14 03:33:18	vardo	Ah... but I blacklisted myself nouveau in a modprobe.d/nvidia file following the wiki instructions, so I thought I wouldn't see nouveau again
2024-04-14 03:33:38	Namarrgon	Which part of the wiki said to create a config for that?
2024-04-14 03:33:48	vardo	Let me find it, one sec
2024-04-14 03:34:31	Namarrgon	what is in usr/lib/udev/rules.d/60-nvidia.rules ?
2024-04-14 03:40:15	vardo	OK, I can't retrieve where I found about adding this line "blacklist nouveau"
2024-04-14 03:40:35	Namarrgon	Ah, nvm, it's in /usr/lib/modprobe.d/
2024-04-14 03:40:43	Namarrgon	You can't find it because it's not there.
2024-04-14 06:15:45	red_man	hey ppls
2024-04-14 06:21:41	absinthium	My laptop keeps experiencing a kernel panic every time post-transaction hooks are ran. Usually, on the very first hook. Where should I begin to find the cause?
2024-04-14 06:24:21	Scimmia	absinthium: start with https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/systemd/-/issues/26
2024-04-14 06:24:22	phrik	Title: Reconsider udevadm trigger in systemd-hook, continouous kernel panics are happening (#26) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / systemd · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-14 06:24:27	Scimmia	assuming you're on nvidia
2024-04-14 06:27:18	Scimmia	touch /etc/systemd/do-not-udevadm-trigger-on-update  could take care of it
2024-04-14 06:32:23	absinthium	Scimmia: I am. Seems to always be a major PITA for Linux...
2024-04-14 06:33:11	Scimmia	in general, it's gotten MUCH better than it was. This is a crappy recommendation by systemd upstream for marginal benefit
2024-04-14 06:34:20	Scimmia	and a maintainer that should know better, TBH
2024-04-14 07:03:13	printfdebugging	Hi,  I use dwm, and all the apps in it are using gtk backend by default. How can I use kde's kf5 backend?
2024-04-14 07:16:06	printfdebugging	Psi-Jack: Thanks, got the point.
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2024-04-14 08:01:53	genericum	I wonder if I can get more runtime out of my laptop. It seems to me that cpupower isn't exactly supporting the latest cpu features
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2024-04-14 08:05:42	bluetail	genericum carry multiple batteries around is one way to go about it
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2024-04-14 08:06:32	bluetail	or just get a huge chunky battery like you would have in the tesla powerwall xD
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2024-04-14 08:07:37	genericum	bluetail its not changeable
2024-04-14 08:07:47	bluetail	ic
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2024-04-14 08:07:57	bluetail	so you gotta have a trolley that follows you around on wheels
2024-04-14 08:08:12	bluetail	that carries a gigantic battery with a wall-wart
2024-04-14 08:08:22	bluetail	 / power socket
2024-04-14 08:08:24	genericum	bluetail however  according to the specs it should have 12 hours of battery life ... I get 5 at best
2024-04-14 08:08:43	genericum	bluetail I'd go solar cell rather
2024-04-14 08:08:56	bluetail	yea they dont account for computing and for the security theater software enterprises force on you
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2024-04-14 08:09:07	bluetail	I mean sure
2024-04-14 08:09:21	bluetail	we start working in the PURE SUND
2024-04-14 08:09:22	bluetail	SUN
2024-04-14 08:09:29	genericum	bluetail its kind of a big difference...
2024-04-14 08:09:55	bluetail	replace ur battery maybe
2024-04-14 08:10:03	bluetail	claim its defective
2024-04-14 08:10:06	bluetail	warranty...
2024-04-14 08:10:06	genericum	it has 12 power cycles
2024-04-14 08:10:11	bluetail	only 12? wtf
2024-04-14 08:10:21	genericum	its basically brand new ..
2024-04-14 08:10:36	bluetail	yay genericum manufacturer claims it takes a while till it is calibrated and reports 'correct' data
2024-04-14 08:10:42	genericum	has intel n6000 cpu with latest intel_pstate
2024-04-14 08:10:56	bluetail	in the meantime microsoft windows can claim whatever they want how long the batt runs
2024-04-14 08:11:20	genericum	bluetail i havent run windows on it ...
2024-04-14 08:11:25	bluetail	genericum corectrl
2024-04-14 08:11:26	bluetail	use it
2024-04-14 08:11:38	bluetail	throttle the gpu
2024-04-14 08:11:52	bluetail	find out all lags and then requiring to run mpv with profile=fast
2024-04-14 08:11:59	bluetail	--profile=fast
2024-04-14 08:13:02	bluetail	genericum its all a farce. I guess, they'd just assume you are not a multitasker :D
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2024-04-14 08:15:10	genericum	bluetail thing is i specifically bought this cpu because its very power savy
2024-04-14 08:15:34	bluetail	ur using it wrong
2024-04-14 08:15:42	bluetail	too much compute on it
2024-04-14 08:15:45	bluetail	let it do nothing
2024-04-14 08:15:51	bluetail	then it fulfills the requirements xD
2024-04-14 08:16:09	bluetail	tbh one chance u have are m series apple machines
2024-04-14 08:16:11	genericum	bluetail i actually wasnt compiling when i got the 5 hours ...
2024-04-14 08:16:13	bluetail	others? no chance
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2024-04-14 08:16:37	genericum	bluetail apple sux hard
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2024-04-14 08:16:38	bluetail	u can run archlinux on it through asahilinux 
2024-04-14 08:16:41	bluetail	it does
2024-04-14 08:16:50	bluetail	but it got the better battery lifetime cause more efficient
2024-04-14 08:16:57	bluetail	they use fedora now tho
2024-04-14 08:17:07	bluetail	cause eff maintaining archlinux they said
2024-04-14 08:17:16	genericum	can buy a solar farm for that money ...
2024-04-14 08:17:49	bluetail	the lowest end macbook probably outperforms n6000
2024-04-14 08:18:06	bluetail	I got a mac mini m1 and it does better than a x86 mini pc
2024-04-14 08:18:29	bluetail	well
2024-04-14 08:18:32	bluetail	but also cost more
2024-04-14 08:18:42	bluetail	so the x86 mini pc cost me around 700 eur
2024-04-14 08:19:01	bluetail	eeeh
2024-04-14 08:19:02	bluetail	my memory
2024-04-14 08:19:04	bluetail	400
2024-04-14 08:19:08	bluetail	https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0CD18W5V6
2024-04-14 08:19:17	aodok	bluetail: why would you need a computer that just have 2 hours of 🔋?
2024-04-14 08:19:36	aodok	and is not even x64?
2024-04-14 08:20:32	bluetail	aodok apple macbook m1 says up to 18 hours
2024-04-14 08:21:00	aodok	worth the money
2024-04-14 08:21:08	bluetail	depends
2024-04-14 08:21:19	bluetail	for development I would definitely run linux on it
2024-04-14 08:21:35	bluetail	docker on macos kind of sucks :D
2024-04-14 08:21:50	bluetail	like too much overhead running it through rosetta2
2024-04-14 08:22:07	bluetail	then I'd rather have a aarch64 image from which most of the stuff does exist
2024-04-14 08:22:12	genericum	bluetail n6000 is pretty good too 4.8-6W
2024-04-14 08:22:17	aodok	it was not a question, i really like battery time 
2024-04-14 08:23:14	bluetail	genericum maybe buy the same setup with a slightly bulkier laptop
2024-04-14 08:23:38	bluetail	I like my stuff bulky in general, cant understand slim-bezel or yoga-like laptop that fold like origami
2024-04-14 08:24:02	genericum	bluetail I'd rather go windows before I spend even more money ...
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2024-04-14 08:24:31	bluetail	genericum what do u need your laptop for?
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2024-04-14 08:25:05	bluetail	if its work, I'd guess your employer should pay it
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2024-04-14 08:26:32	genericum	bluetail no its private and I thought it was cheaper to get a notebook than installing AC
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2024-04-14 08:27:18	aodok	bluetail: would your laptop pass my working test, like what if compile a program for 6 hours ( last time i tried a laptop gor overhead just by using the browser and didn't start after 1 hour)
2024-04-14 08:28:04	bluetail	wtf no
2024-04-14 08:28:15	bluetail	lenovo t16 g2 passes out before that without ac
2024-04-14 08:28:25	bluetail	I would not even consider compiling without ac
2024-04-14 08:28:34	aodok	bluetail: 🤬 i will need i new employer them,
2024-04-14 08:28:48	genericum	aodok i tried to compile webkit2gtk .. didnt finish before the battery died :(
2024-04-14 08:28:54	bluetail	aodok I considered compiling as compiling linux kernel or firefox :D
2024-04-14 08:29:18	aodok	bluetail: i was using ac
2024-04-14 08:29:44	aodok	got hot, i thought i broke it 
2024-04-14 08:29:55	aodok	doing nothing
2024-04-14 08:30:00	bluetail	wtf :D
2024-04-14 08:30:38	bluetail	yea, stuff is f'ed up. Need more performance all the time, stuff taking more load to perform...
2024-04-14 08:30:50	genericum	bluetail funny thing you're speaking of lenovo .. its a V15 G2
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2024-04-14 08:35:08	aodok	aodok: where do you work?
2024-04-14 08:35:23	aodok	🦮
2024-04-14 08:35:59	aodok	bluetail: 
2024-04-14 08:36:19	Ghosthree3	i have a friend suffering from performance issues in games under arch he doesnt get at all in windows. he swears that somehow arch/games are using the igpu over the amd dgpu to process the game despite the displays being plugged into the dgpu. is this possible? the games do suggest they are using the igpu (the only drop down option for what gpu to use is the system's igpu). if it is, how can it
2024-04-14 08:36:21	Ghosthree3	be disabled
2024-04-14 08:36:27	aodok	what do you do for living?
2024-04-14 08:36:50	bluetail	aodok sorry
2024-04-14 08:36:54	bluetail	I can not provide that data
2024-04-14 08:37:13	aodok	bluetail: 🥺
2024-04-14 08:37:28	bluetail	if I start doing so I have to act professional all the time
2024-04-14 08:37:37	bluetail	and I do like being a bit lenient when using IRC
2024-04-14 08:37:57	bluetail	I do want to distinguish this username from a potential internet eminence / presence
2024-04-14 08:38:09	bluetail	I do not want to suddle my 'public image' if that makes sense
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2024-04-14 08:39:15	aodok	bluetail: what do you advice me for to some employer pays my laptop
2024-04-14 08:40:26	aodok	bluetail: i know lot about computer i just haven't go to jail 
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2024-04-14 08:40:33	aodok	i mean university
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2024-04-14 08:41:06	aodok	well neither
2024-04-14 08:41:21	bluetail	it really depends
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2024-04-14 08:41:51	bluetail	all big companies are kind of 'slow', so you'd just live your life and - uh you cant push much so that things get 'done'
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2024-04-14 08:42:38	bluetail	Just look on what companies are worth currently and what they were worth in the past
2024-04-14 08:43:02	bluetail	but also make sure they are not firing off people just to keep stock value 
2024-04-14 08:43:31	bluetail	many just keep restructuring all the time, and it will mean stress for you cause you dont know when its your 'turn'
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2024-04-14 08:44:30	aodok	to be entrepreneur, is very hard to do and really get profit, easy to say and learn about doing stuff, but i hardly see pressure having lucky to get profit
2024-04-14 08:45:30	bluetail	aodok theres only one of you and theres infinite amount of stuff to be done
2024-04-14 08:45:55	bluetail	you need to ideally use your capacities in order to make the most ideal win-win situation happen
2024-04-14 08:45:56	aodok	with none profit xd
2024-04-14 08:46:20	txtsd	In GitHub Actions, when using a container, how do I use the archlinux-docker images that are published on registry.archlinux.org?
2024-04-14 08:46:24	bluetail	I sometimes question myself taking 4 years for learning something and others exceed my qualities in 3 weeks
2024-04-14 08:46:39	bluetail	disheartening, yes. But theres always somebody outperforming you
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2024-04-14 08:52:28	aodok	txtsd: 1 Using a pre-built Docker image from Docker Hub. 2 Building the Arch Linux container from Dockerfile
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2024-04-14 08:57:39	txtsd	aodok: dockerhub images are a month old
2024-04-14 08:59:53	txtsd	nvm figured it out. it takes a link.
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2024-04-14 09:00:47	aodok	txtsd: you mean that you have a problem because new
2024-04-14 09:01:06	bluetail	u can also say FROM packagename:version:architecture
2024-04-14 09:01:12	bluetail	iirc
2024-04-14 09:01:34	aodok	🤔
2024-04-14 09:03:31	bluetail	i recently used: FROM thelounge:v4.4.3 at arm64 cause FROM thelounge:latest gave me v4.3.0
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2024-04-14 09:06:00	genericum	bluetail my laptop has 38Wh of battery ... at 6 watts thats little more than 6 hours ...
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2024-04-14 09:06:37	bluetail	genericum up to :D
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2024-04-14 09:09:22	genericum	bluetail linux says 37.51 Wh ... guess that was a 95%  value the manufacturer ...
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2024-04-14 09:09:46	genericum	too bad I dont have one with 38.5 ...
2024-04-14 09:09:48	bluetail	its not what linux says its true its what the battery thingy claims
2024-04-14 09:09:59	bluetail	its not a warranty 
2024-04-14 09:10:09	bluetail	just approximation that can be off a lot
2024-04-14 09:10:41	genericum	i trust linux to read the correct values from the battery management board
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2024-04-14 09:11:24	genericum	should have taken pictures while it was open ...
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2024-04-14 09:24:14	bluetail	genericum the battery management board can be flawed in manufacturers benefits
2024-04-14 09:24:16	bluetail	it can lie 
2024-04-14 09:24:32	Erus_Iluvatar	Psi-Jack: stop suggesting doing a partial upgrade on the ISO to get the latest archinstall version: if a python rebuild lands, this will break archinstall
2024-04-14 09:25:01	genericum	bluetail sure can but I think lenovo has a brand name to uphold
2024-04-14 09:25:15	bluetail	genericum only on professional lenovo devices
2024-04-14 09:25:32	bluetail	u can buy non-enterprise lenovo hardware that dies from holding the edge of the laptop
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2024-04-14 09:27:07	bluetail	also lenovo kinda effed their image recently for requiring the user to sign a contract for installing a custom firmware image on their lenovo phone series 
2024-04-14 09:27:27	bluetail	they need to sign that waiver for doing that, and losing warranty AND ability to sell it legally
2024-04-14 09:27:30	bluetail	its wild
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2024-04-14 09:29:07	genericum	well phones are a a shame for linux .. .with all the closed source stuff
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2024-04-14 09:32:05	bluetail	as long as you got arbitrary behavior Android will suck
2024-04-14 09:32:55	bluetail	people need to be able to set expectations ... apple apps are providing a more consistent experience
2024-04-14 09:33:39	bluetail	How do you manage - can do everything I want to include - will be good across the devices ?
2024-04-14 09:33:45	bluetail	#hardware
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2024-04-14 09:38:33	D-rex	my xz package versions are lib32-xz 5.6.1-3 and xz 5.6.1-3.  are these safe from the backdoor?
2024-04-14 09:40:26	another|	!news
2024-04-14 09:40:26	phrik	another|: 2024-04-07T18:12:44+0000: Increasing the default vm.max_map_count value <https://archlinux.org/news/increasing-the-default-vmmax_map_count-value/>
2024-04-14 09:40:39	another|	https://archlinux.org/news/the-xz-package-has-been-backdoored/
2024-04-14 09:40:40	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: The xz package has been backdoored (at archlinux.org)
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2024-04-14 09:42:42	D-rex	ahh damn forgot to check the website thanks
2024-04-14 09:43:07	bluetail	D-rex what damned the site?
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2024-04-14 09:43:37	bluetail	is it not possible to somescribe to a RSS feed?
2024-04-14 09:44:54	genericum	bluetail the fact that my boss had an iphone ultimately nailed the apple question .. but hey their stocks earned me quite some coin :)
2024-04-14 09:45:14	genericum	^bolted
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2024-04-14 10:21:08	rav	how display such list like here https://archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&q=xfce4+plugin&maintainer=&flagged= but with pacman? need: words to search, package name, version, description
2024-04-14 10:21:12	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-14 10:21:21	rav	!phrik
2024-04-14 10:21:21	phrik	Forever broken, but I'm still not your butler.
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2024-04-14 10:22:16	gromit	rav: maybe with pacman -Ss
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2024-04-14 10:23:44	rav	simple as that...? yes, should be enough :D thx
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2024-04-14 11:35:52	xinming	Hi, Is it possible to pin a specific package which will be excluded from upgrade?
2024-04-14 11:36:06	xinming	For now, I installed linux-lts 6.6.27
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2024-04-14 11:37:23	xinming	I want linux-lts 6.6.27 won't be uninstalled even newer version of linux-lts is released
2024-04-14 11:38:08	tirnanog	xinming: IgnorePkg in /etc/pacman.conf does the job. linux-lts won't be upgraded until you explicitly request it (pacman -Syu linux-lts).
2024-04-14 11:38:35	tirnanog	meanwhile, you can update everything else as normal with pacman -Syu.
2024-04-14 11:38:51	xinming	thanks.
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2024-04-14 11:57:00	rav	gromit: weird that https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks doesn't mention -Ss...
2024-04-14 11:57:02	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-14 11:59:04	alad	it's a basic operation, why would it be in the Tips
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2024-04-14 13:07:55	jenia2	Hello. Everytime I restart my laptop, my mouse becomes super slow. Does anyone know how to fix this bug?
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2024-04-14 13:13:15	jenia2	thank you. checking!
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2024-04-14 13:24:08	rav2	alad: pacman -Qi isnt basic compared to such monsters like $ pacman -Qei | sed '/^[^NO ]/d;/None$/d' | awk 'BEGIN{RS=ORS="\n\n";FS=OFS="\n\\S"} /Optional Deps/ {print $1"\nO"$2}' | sed 's/^Optional Deps   ://;/\[installed\]$/d;s/\s\+/ /'
2024-04-14 13:24:21	rav2	?
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2024-04-14 13:29:18	bertptrs	greentail: https://docs.mesa3d.org/amber.html
2024-04-14 13:29:20	phrik	Title: Amber Branch — The Mesa 3D Graphics Library latest documentation (at docs.mesa3d.org)
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2024-04-14 13:33:10	bertptrs	Ah, that's what you wanted to know, not why it exists. don't have any sources to answer that, but I'd wager as a reference to fossilization processes. Things occasionally get preserved in amber
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2024-04-14 13:38:26	alad	rav: if you haven't heard of -Ss you need to check the man page or the regular pacman wiki article
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2024-04-14 13:44:46	rav	oh, I've heard many things but not remembered all of them ;) , thx for reminding
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2024-04-14 14:49:35	aequilibrium	After latest update yesterday my pipewire audio setup stopped working, had to sync explicitly pulseaudio package today to make it work, if anyone else having issues just to keep in mind
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2024-04-14 14:52:08	gromit	aequilibrium: how did you updated? 
2024-04-14 14:52:10	gromit	* update
2024-04-14 14:52:35	aequilibrium	sudo pacman -Syu
2024-04-14 14:52:55	aequilibrium	last update before that was on the 1st or 2nd after xz backdoor came out
2024-04-14 14:53:07	Scimmia	switching to pulse isn't really a fix
2024-04-14 14:53:10	aequilibrium	was working fine, had the issue, tried restarting, wasn't helping
2024-04-14 14:53:24	aequilibrium	I suppose, that why I am assuming the latest shipping package is broken
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2024-04-14 14:53:32	aequilibrium	Do you guys use it?
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2024-04-14 14:53:44	Scimmia	I'm using it just fine
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2024-04-14 14:56:55	aequilibrium	This makes like zero sense, I just reinstalled pipewire-pulse instead of pulse-audio, no restart it works, earlier I restart multiple times nothing changed until I replaced it with pulse, now it works out of the box.
2024-04-14 14:57:59	aequilibrium	Sorry for wasting ur time guys, but if anyone else has similar issues, on t400 series thinkpads perhaps, just do as I did
2024-04-14 14:58:23	Namarrgon	pacman -Q pipewire pipewire-pulse linux
2024-04-14 14:58:43	aequilibrium	pipewire 1:1.0.4-4
2024-04-14 14:58:43	aequilibrium	pipewire-pulse 1:1.0.4-4
2024-04-14 14:58:43	aequilibrium	linux 6.8.5.arch1-1
2024-04-14 14:58:47	aequilibrium	I updated yesterday
2024-04-14 14:58:51	aequilibrium	Night
2024-04-14 14:59:40	aequilibrium	had pipewire for 2 years now, pulse-audio package I havent used since like my transition to linux
2024-04-14 14:59:49	Namarrgon	Are the pipewire and pipewire-pulse units running?
2024-04-14 15:00:01	astralc	also pacman -Q wireplumber
2024-04-14 15:00:16	aequilibrium	They have to be right now, Ill check systemd but I wouldn't have audio rite if they didn't?
2024-04-14 15:00:53	Namarrgon	Check their logs for the period where it wasn't working and keep an eye on it when it breaks again.
2024-04-14 15:01:39	aequilibrium	I can pastebin the status for the two services, they are both errored out
2024-04-14 15:01:42	aequilibrium	I dont get it
2024-04-14 15:02:02	Namarrgon	So they are not active but audio still works?
2024-04-14 15:02:04	aequilibrium	or are yellow warnings?
2024-04-14 15:02:04	aequilibrium	mod.protocol-pulse: client 0x5f14c6283640 [Firefox]: ERROR command:-1 (invalid) tag:5 error:25 (Input/output error)
2024-04-14 15:02:09	aequilibrium	No, they are warnings
2024-04-14 15:02:12	aequilibrium	they are not exited
2024-04-14 15:02:18	aequilibrium	But it says error
2024-04-14 15:02:33	aequilibrium	pipewire[1123]: mod.client-node: 0x5c71d408cdd0: unknown peer 0x5c71d41cd930 fd:66
2024-04-14 15:03:00	aequilibrium	multiple unkown peer errors such as that one for pipewire too, and the one above is for pipewire-pulse
2024-04-14 15:03:30	aequilibrium	🤷
2024-04-14 15:03:57	aequilibrium	wireplumber 0.5.1-1
2024-04-14 15:04:14	aequilibrium	I forgot what wireplumber does, but I've had it, it replaces pipewire-session right?
2024-04-14 15:07:38	bookworm	wireplumber is the session management, yes
2024-04-14 15:08:33	aequilibrium	Apr 14 14:34:10 Odysseus systemd[1029]: Started Multimedia Service Session Manager.
2024-04-14 15:08:33	aequilibrium	Apr 14 14:34:10 Odysseus wireplumber[1124]: 0x615ec6027de0: no modules loaded from context.modules
2024-04-14 15:08:33	aequilibrium	Apr 14 14:34:10 Odysseus wireplumber[1124]: GetManagedObjects() failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NameHasNoOwner
2024-04-14 15:08:33	aequilibrium	Apr 14 14:34:10 Odysseus wireplumber[1124]: [0:00:39.788700876] [1124] ERROR IPAModule ipa_module.cpp:172 Symbol ipaModuleInfo not found
2024-04-14 15:08:34	aequilibrium	Apr 14 14:34:10 Odysseus wireplumber[1124]: [0:00:39.788719339] [1124] ERROR IPAModule ipa_module.cpp:292 v4l2-compat.so: IPA module has no valid info
2024-04-14 15:08:37	aequilibrium	Apr 14 14:34:10 Odysseus wireplumber[1124]: [0:00:39.788786786] [1124]  INFO Camera camera_manager.cpp:284 libcamera v0.2.0
2024-04-14 15:08:40	aequilibrium	Apr 14 14:43:21 Odysseus wireplumber[1124]: "v4l2" calling after timer expiry for 20736:/dev/video0(uvc)
2024-04-14 15:08:42	aequilibrium	Apr 14 14:55:31 Odysseus wireplumber[1124]: "v4l2" calling after timer expiry for 20736:/dev/video0(uvc)
2024-04-14 15:08:44	aequilibrium	~ λ 
2024-04-14 15:09:21	MortimerHoughton	aequilibrium: you shouldn't post outputs directly into chat, use a paste service instead
2024-04-14 15:09:24	MortimerHoughton	!paste
2024-04-14 15:09:24	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-14 15:09:45	aequilibrium	Thanks, I didnt know which were supposed to used here
2024-04-14 15:09:53	aequilibrium	bookmarked
2024-04-14 15:10:06	MortimerHoughton	!0x0
2024-04-14 15:10:07	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-04-14 15:10:20	MortimerHoughton	!rs
2024-04-14 15:10:20	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2024-04-14 15:10:30	aequilibrium	o hell yea, a curl one liner, that sounds fun
2024-04-14 15:10:44	bookworm	MortimerHoughton: spamming all possible paste services isn't useful either, once is plenty
2024-04-14 15:10:47	aequilibrium	I sure hope I don't upload my secerets accidentally like that xD
2024-04-14 15:11:04	aequilibrium	Either will do, thanks guys
2024-04-14 15:14:21	MortimerHoughton	bookworm: sorry, I posted both since the commands did slightly different things (0x0 command is set up for a file, while the rs command on direct output), but I'll refrain from doing that in the future
2024-04-14 15:15:20	bookworm	MortimerHoughton: @- is stdin
2024-04-14 15:15:35	bookworm	it just omits the rest, but it does the same
2024-04-14 15:16:04	susi	my 0x0 function is just 3 lines plus the function definition and a closing brace
2024-04-14 15:16:31	aequilibrium	Welp, I dunno if its worth documenting this troubleshooting, I gtg now, I supposed if anyone has similar issues, syncing to pulse and then pack to pipewire-pulse seemd to do the trick, the only audio device that was working before the fix was supposedly hdmi, because it appeared valid in the audio applet of kde plasma, however whatever I'd do it wouldn't do the trick for the integrated speakers
2024-04-14 15:17:01	susi	lets me do either 0x0 file, or ... | 0x0
2024-04-14 15:19:37	xx	where did the manpage for img2pdf go? debian has it
2024-04-14 15:21:23	Scimmia	xx: what debian has means nothing. Does upstream have it?
2024-04-14 15:22:15	xx	good point
2024-04-14 15:22:18	BrainDamage	susi: single line 0x0() { curl -F "file=@${*:--}" 'https://0x0.st'; }
2024-04-14 15:23:25	BrainDamage	I have this defined in my shell: https://0x0.st/HxYS.txt
2024-04-14 15:23:43	xx	I thought upstream had it and it was in arch before, I remember wrong
2024-04-14 15:24:11	susi	they don't
2024-04-14 15:24:55	MortimerHoughton	yeah, I don't see it: https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/img2pdf
2024-04-14 15:24:56	phrik	Title: josch/img2pdf - img2pdf - Muffin Gitea (at gitlab.mister-muffin.de)
2024-04-14 15:25:12	susi	but you can do: img2pdf --help
2024-04-14 15:28:20	susi	debiners seem to produce man pages for many tools that don't have them upstream
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2024-04-14 16:11:49	Exa	Hello, how can I prevent new desktop files installed by packages from modifying default apps?  I want to manage default apps myself, ideally in a text file I can version in my dotfiles.  Thanks.
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2024-04-14 16:12:48	MacGyver	Exa: No clue, but your starting point for figuring it out is https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_MIME_Applications
2024-04-14 16:12:49	phrik	Title: XDG MIME Applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-14 16:13:42	MacGyver	Exa: Section 2 looks like it might be relevant.
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2024-04-14 16:16:53	Exa	MacGyver: I want something that tells XDG not to read MimeType from desktop files in /usr/share/applications
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2024-04-14 16:26:09	fenugrec	hm I semi-broke my server. Updated everything, reboot, and... can't connect via ssh from 'outside', only from LAN
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2024-04-14 16:27:53	fenugrec	looks like some nftables malarky
2024-04-14 16:30:29	Exa	I guess I'll have to write a script that generates a mimeapps.list file with all associations from desktop files installed written into a big [Removed Associations] block
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2024-04-14 16:30:51	Exa	that's a bummer but I don't see another solution for managing associations myself
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2024-04-14 16:35:23	teraflops	wow pika-backup is awesome
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2024-04-14 16:37:50	Exa	apparently I can override the XDG_DATA_DIRS environment variable to make it ignore all desktop files from installed packages, I'll use this instead.  Then I can place my desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications and only those will be effective
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2024-04-14 16:42:11	fenugrec	Exa I have similar gripes with file associations being clobbered every now and then, thanks for the idea. However according to https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_MIME_Applications your choice of ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list is 'deprecated', suggesting instead ~/.config/mimeapps.list
2024-04-14 16:42:12	phrik	Title: XDG MIME Applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-14 16:42:39	Exa	fenugrec: I don't mean to use this deprecated files, but to use this directory for desktop files
2024-04-14 16:42:54	Exa	https://specifications.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html
2024-04-14 16:42:55	phrik	Title: XDG Base Directory Specification (at specifications.freedesktop.org)
2024-04-14 16:43:04	fenugrec	ah
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2024-04-14 16:47:32	Exa	the issue is that I don't know if it could have side effects, /usr/share/applications may not be the only directory read in /usr/share by XDG applications
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2024-04-14 16:48:07	Exa	for example, /usr/share/xdg-desktop-portal
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2024-04-14 16:58:06	phrik	Title: Desktop Entry Specification (at specifications.freedesktop.org)
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2024-04-14 17:00:11	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-14 16:59:33	phrik	Title: Desktop entries - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-14 17:00:11	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-14 17:02:21	Exa	XDG_DATA_DIRS is also used for icons and fonts, and it may not work properly with alternative paths in $HOME :/
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2024-04-14 17:22:23	theta_decay	cd /
2024-04-14 17:23:36	Parad1gmSh1ft	Good morning folks
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2024-04-14 17:48:29	Dex2x	Well this is a first, I can't boot after an update, it fails to mount my / and /home folders, I did a live boot of ubuntu and repaired the partitions and checked the UUID's they all match, yet my boot loader can't find the partitions 
2024-04-14 17:48:35	Dex2x	Any ideas what can cause this ? 
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2024-04-14 17:49:15	Namarrgon	Does the fallback initramfs work?
2024-04-14 17:49:27	Dex2x	Oh forgot about that 
2024-04-14 17:49:29	Dex2x	let me try 
2024-04-14 17:50:02	docdrow	anyone got an external USB display (displaylink) working with wayland?
2024-04-14 17:51:01	mefistofeles	docdrow: oh, that sounds like it could be chalenging, hmm
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2024-04-14 17:51:34	mdt	docdrow: i do, it just worked
2024-04-14 17:51:40	docdrow	mdt: which compositor?
2024-04-14 17:51:47	mdt	sway
2024-04-14 17:52:37	docdrow	hmm. I'm using hyprland
2024-04-14 17:53:17	Gnana	^ but i do not have mointer
2024-04-14 17:53:19	mdt	give sway a try to know whom to blame ;)
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2024-04-14 17:55:47	lambda	docdrow: I think I had to pull in some weird patches or something back when I did that, I have since sworn never to touch displaylink again
2024-04-14 17:56:12	lambda	we have DP alt mode now, awful proprietary encapsulated stuff can go in the bin
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2024-04-14 17:57:43	docdrow	https://github.com/hyprwm/Hyprland/discussions/5588
2024-04-14 17:58:00	docdrow	lambda: yea I had this working on xorg with an older laptop
2024-04-14 17:58:10	docdrow	I just got my tuxedo pulse 3 .. figured I'd try to get it working
2024-04-14 17:58:18	docdrow	but only using wayland on this device
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2024-04-14 18:01:13	teraflops	docdrow: hyrpland manages external monitors just fine. same as sway as both are wlroots based https://wiki.hyprland.org/Configuring/Monitors/
2024-04-14 18:01:14	phrik	Title: Monitors – Hyprland Wiki (at wiki.hyprland.org)
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2024-04-14 18:01:56	teraflops	iirc the syntax is the same
2024-04-14 18:03:26	docdrow	teraflops: yep I use multiple monitors with hyprland on my desktop just fine.. 
2024-04-14 18:03:30	docdrow	but cant get display port working
2024-04-14 18:03:35	docdrow	sorry, I meant displaylink
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2024-04-14 18:03:45	teraflops	ah ok 
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2024-04-14 18:18:12	Dex2x	Namarrgon, welp that was odd, I did nothing, but reboot from windows to arch, and this time it just worked 
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2024-04-14 19:07:41	bluetail	hey
2024-04-14 19:07:49	bluetail	I found out firefox keeps changing the pids all the time
2024-04-14 19:08:02	bluetail	I wanted to kill -STOP it but it does not work on firefox.
2024-04-14 19:08:20	bluetail	Tab suspend would not do because then I have to reload the page. What else can I do?
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2024-04-14 19:09:50	bluetail	or maybe I am imagining things...
2024-04-14 19:10:02	bluetail	maybe twhat I get from xdotool is not process id
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2024-04-14 19:10:41	Exa	bluetail: what do you want to do exactly?
2024-04-14 19:11:52	bluetail	Exa what I already do is pause applications that are not in focus currently, e.g games
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2024-04-14 19:12:04	Exa	firefox won't like to be paused, it will crash
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2024-04-14 19:12:23	bluetail	What doesnt seem to work is to grab pidof ( firefox classname pid from xdotool )
2024-04-14 19:12:26	bluetail	Ah I see
2024-04-14 19:12:51	astralc	firefox have multiple processes
2024-04-14 19:12:52	bluetail	the issue is, I want to have all my firefox windows remain, but not consume cpu unless I focus them
2024-04-14 19:13:06	bluetail	this is different from saving memory by suspending the tab
2024-04-14 19:13:11	bluetail	cause then tab needs reload
2024-04-14 19:13:12	astralc	some are not mapped to window
2024-04-14 19:13:19	bluetail	oh
2024-04-14 19:13:20	bluetail	thats why
2024-04-14 19:13:35	bluetail	ok, so I simply cant do it with firefox and its like incompatible, gotcha
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2024-04-14 19:14:41	MortimerHoughton	Probably dependent on what page you are looking at, but I don't really see firefox using much cpu if I'm not engaged in it
2024-04-14 19:15:19	Exa	most if not all main web browsers implement sandboxing, which is based on multiple processes.  but if child processes can't connect to the main one after some time, it usually crashes, iirc it's the case for firefox
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2024-04-14 19:17:48	MortimerHoughton	Truong My Lan
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2024-04-14 19:30:59	demonicmaniac1	bluetail: if you simply unmap a window/hide it for firefox/chromium they "will" pause tabs themselves by default since some time and not run any js or stuff on it
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2024-04-14 19:31:23	bluetail	I am on i3wm and they run in separate workspaces. Will this work?
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2024-04-14 19:36:31	demonicmaniac1	bluetail: should, yes. do note however that webworkers sadly are a thing and ever since chrome as the first started automatic hidden tab throttling morons started using webworkers to run not tab attached background tasks instead to not get throttled
2024-04-14 19:36:50	demonicmaniac1	so unless you also block/disable webworkers stuff will keep running on a hundred different threads
2024-04-14 19:37:29	demonicmaniac1	and ofc sites will break if you block webworkers
2024-04-14 19:38:18	demonicmaniac1	bluetail: a better idea for your case as you mention it would probably be to run stuff in cgroups and use cgroups to limit resources which you can dynamically switch at runtime. that will affect all child processes
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2024-04-14 19:50:26	zayd	which package has the xorg debugging symbols? my kde keeps crashing and coredumpctl says it's xorg that crashed
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2024-04-14 19:56:23	MrElendig	zayd: wiki -> debuginfod
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2024-04-14 19:57:56	zayd	so i install the package for that? someone in #kde said not to and that it's just the server but
2024-04-14 19:57:59	zayd	nvm they left
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2024-04-14 19:58:54	zayd	MrElendig: am i supposed to install the package or just set the shell variable? someone in #kde said that the package is just the server
2024-04-14 19:59:59	MrElendig	you use it to automatically or manually download the symbols
2024-04-14 20:00:19	MrElendig	also see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debugging/Getting_traces
2024-04-14 20:00:20	phrik	Title: Debugging/Getting traces - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-14 20:00:35	ℹ 	MrElendig is now known as mion
2024-04-14 20:01:19	mion	note; we don't have 100% coverage yet
2024-04-14 20:02:59	zayd	mion: my gdb isn't giving the option to download symbols, is this because of a coredumpctl problem?
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2024-04-14 20:04:14	mion	did you set up debuginfod?
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2024-04-14 20:07:47	zayd	mion: i thought i had it in my shell variables one time and it didn't, i could try again
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2024-04-14 20:14:03	zayd	yeah it worked this time
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2024-04-14 20:14:34	zayd	also, where should a crash report go if it says that /usr/lib/Xorg crashed but it only crashes with KDE?
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2024-04-14 20:15:03	mion	probably kde
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2024-04-14 20:18:41	edu4rdshl	zayd, `coredumpctl list`
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2024-04-14 20:19:27	zayd	edu4rdshl: yeah i already know the pid and which process crashed, i'm just asking which bugtracker to report to
2024-04-14 20:19:31	zayd	mion: ok, will do that
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2024-04-14 20:30:37	zayd	how would i make spotify more usable (less flickering, video issues) on kde wayland?
2024-04-14 20:30:45	zayd	could be an issue with me being on nvidia but idk
2024-04-14 20:31:34	zayd	iirc hyprland wiki says something about getting electron stuff to work properly on wayland
2024-04-14 20:31:41	zayd	might apply
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2024-04-14 20:34:22	bertptrs	have you tried convincing it to run as wayland instead of xorg? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Spotify#Running_under_Wayland
2024-04-14 20:34:23	phrik	Title: Spotify - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-14 20:37:53	zayd	is it just a flatpak thing? i tried "flatpak run com.spotify.Client --enable-features=UseOzonePlatform --ozone-platform=wayland" and it didn't launch and then tried adding "--enable-features=UseOzonePlatform --ozone-platform=wayland" to ~/.config/electron-flags.conf and that launched but didn't do anything differently
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2024-04-14 20:38:43	bertptrs	Have never used flatpack, I use spotify-launcher
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2024-04-14 20:41:44	susi	I use open.spotify.com
2024-04-14 20:41:53	susi	or used to use, I no more music
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2024-04-14 21:43:02	⚡ 	edu4rdshl wonder why people not just use PWAs
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2024-04-14 21:43:58	edu4rdshl	zayd, the 2nd thing will ofc not work for flatpak apps. They don't use the system's electron
2024-04-14 21:44:00	mefistofeles	edu4rdshl: for what? And what are those? xD
2024-04-14 21:44:13	edu4rdshl	mefistofeles, for Spotify, for example.
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2024-04-14 21:44:34	edu4rdshl	And PWA = Progressive Web App, basically what electron apps are but without electron :p
2024-04-14 21:44:46	AtomicPunk	they tend to perform better I think
2024-04-14 21:44:48	mefistofeles	AtomicPunk: ah I see
2024-04-14 21:44:50	mefistofeles	err
2024-04-14 21:44:52	mefistofeles	edu4rdshl: I see
2024-04-14 21:44:53	mefistofeles	haha
2024-04-14 21:44:57	susi	I prefer CWAs, Conservative Web Apps
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2024-04-14 21:45:02	AtomicPunk	lol
2024-04-14 21:45:10	edu4rdshl	lol
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2024-04-14 21:48:26	astralc	firefox not support PWA on desktop
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2024-04-14 21:48:54	astralc	need some special extension
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2024-04-14 21:51:08	edu4rdshl	According to https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/bring-back-pwa-progressive-web-apps/idi-p/35 people seems to be mad with Mozilla
2024-04-14 21:51:12	phrik	Title: Bring back PWA (progressive web apps) - Mozilla Connect (at connect.mozilla.org)
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2024-04-14 21:58:19	astralc	!suckless
2024-04-14 21:58:19	phrik	worse is better^H^H^H^H^H^Hworse
2024-04-14 21:58:45	astralc	meant to sent this in aot
2024-04-14 21:58:48	astralc	oops
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2024-04-14 22:00:57	astralc	the extension work. mostly ok. but it "sandbox" the page, so different cookies, and "multiple tabs" not really working when I tried. so it only good for certain apps, even if it advertised as "PWA compatible"
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2024-04-14 22:28:28	BrainDamage	it'll also download a separate firefox runtime
2024-04-14 22:28:37	BrainDamage	so the process won't share memory with the base one
2024-04-14 22:28:46	BrainDamage	kinda defeating the porpoise
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2024-04-14 22:37:14	astralc	porpoise?
2024-04-14 22:37:22	astralc	what the dolphins did to you?
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2024-04-15 00:29:54	gehidore	Dolphins are assholes
2024-04-15 00:31:50	mpan	In particular orcas.
2024-04-15 00:37:33	Soni	has anyone attempted to make vanilla arch immutable?
2024-04-15 00:41:23	mpan	Soni: are you asking, if there exists(ed) such a person on this planet, if there is somebody here who had practical experience with such attempts (what want you to ask them then?), or if that has been discussed and there are people here, who can summarize the ideas?
2024-04-15 00:42:17	Soni	can we just run pacman in a chrooted overlayfs and mount it on next boot?
2024-04-15 00:43:32	mpan	That would modify the current system.
2024-04-15 00:45:24	mpan	Mount rootfs as ro, except for service-writable stuff (logs, database files, …), update on a separate boot.
2024-04-15 00:47:37	mpan	btrfs snapshots to ensure fail-safe operation, though boot process may still be affected on update failure.
2024-04-15 00:50:36	edu4rdshl	I don't get the immutable thing tbh: I see how it solve a couple problems, but then affect a lot of other things. Maybe for inexperienced users it may be benefical, but for someone who has been using linux for 14 years in an advanced maner, i don't see any benefit but downsides only
2024-04-15 00:53:25	mpan	edu4rdshl: security is one.
2024-04-15 00:53:45	mpan	For non rolling release distros, platform stability.
2024-04-15 00:54:47	mpan	I don’t need it, but I’m not the sole definition of user needs.
2024-04-15 00:59:19	mpan	Restoring from any system breakage, short of storage damange, is as fast as a reboot. And not much breakage is possible in the first place.
2024-04-15 01:32:04	demonicmaniac1	mpan: i don't really see why you'd need immutability for that when you can boot btrfs snapshots tho and have pacman hook to make a snapshot before update
2024-04-15 01:32:33	demonicmaniac1	for security sure, but not for breakage/restoring
2024-04-15 01:33:06	mpan	demonicmaniac1: I didn’t include a condition, that the breakage is cause by the update. And, for update breakage, I mentioned btrfs.
2024-04-15 01:33:20	demonicmaniac1	fair
2024-04-15 01:33:54	mpan	And I provided reasons for which people may wish to use immutable systems. Just because one may obtain single specific features like that by other means, doesn’t mean they get them all in a single package.
2024-04-15 01:34:41	mpan	With your logic, I could say: why would anybody want btrfs snapshots, if they can get the same with an immutable system. Which leads to nowhere.
2024-04-15 01:36:33	demonicmaniac1	you know i just finally realized one real big advantage of the systemd way of having the overrides for the systemwide package owned confs and default confs. sort of an immutable system for the actual configs owned by the package
2024-04-15 01:37:20	mpan	Yep, I use `systemctl edit` extensively.
2024-04-15 01:40:09	mpan	Not perfect, though. Because the upstream config can introduce changes, that are incompatible with your changes and that happens silently (compared to having to merge explicitly). So it’s a matter of choise. But I feel more comfortable with that solution, and it also feels more elegant and clean.
2024-04-15 02:21:00	vardo	Hi. I can't get some application to run on Wayland, it runs on X only. Is there a way to run it on wayland anyway, like a compatible mode or something?
2024-04-15 02:23:11	gaku	vardo: `pacman -Q xorg-xwayland`
2024-04-15 02:23:45	vardo	Thanks. I already installed it before. Do I need to configure it for my app?
2024-04-15 02:24:07	mpan	If xorg-wayland is installed, what’s the error the application gives?
2024-04-15 02:24:16	gaku	vardo: clarify; is your app crashing or you want it to run on pure wayland instead of xwayland?
2024-04-15 02:24:48	vardo	No error, the app just displays a black screen, except during resizing or some other mouse movement, the scene appears briefly, flickers and back to black screen
2024-04-15 02:24:53	vardo	Other than that, the app works fine
2024-04-15 02:25:07	vardo	It's "firestorm" a popular open source second life viewer
2024-04-15 02:25:17	mpan	That’s different from “can’t get … to run”.
2024-04-15 02:25:34	mpan	Run it from a terminal, report what you see.
2024-04-15 02:26:00	vardo	I always run it from a terminal
2024-04-15 02:26:03	Namarrgon	Psi-Jack: on nvidia?
2024-04-15 02:26:05	mpan	Also, what video card and module?
2024-04-15 02:26:20	vardo	RTX 4070 TI, nvidia
2024-04-15 02:27:00	vardo	My issue would be that I use a nvidia videocard?
2024-04-15 02:31:02	vardo	No, I use the beta version that has PBR
2024-04-15 02:31:40	vardo	I don't think that's the issue, but I can try the other version
2024-04-15 02:31:43	vardo	brb
2024-04-15 02:31:54	Namarrgon	What other program don't work besides firestorm?
2024-04-15 02:33:39	vardo	Namarrgon, I just installed this machine, for now I don't have any other application except Firefox and it works fine 
2024-04-15 02:33:49	vardo	VLC too
2024-04-15 02:35:04	vardo	Is Gnome a compositor?
2024-04-15 02:35:11	vardo	Gnome
2024-04-15 02:36:32	vardo	Thanks anyway
2024-04-15 02:36:55	vardo	How does xwayland work? When does it decide to take care of the display of some applications on wayland?
2024-04-15 02:37:50	mpan	vardo: it handles X clients.
2024-04-15 02:38:31	vardo	But can I force a client to use X instead of wayland?
2024-04-15 02:38:52	mpan	https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/The_Linux_Graphics_Stack_and_glamor.svg
2024-04-15 02:38:59	gaku	vardo: with environment variables, yes
2024-04-15 02:39:35	gaku	you would first have to find out what is being used, if it's xwayland or xdg-shell
2024-04-15 02:39:59	gaku	idk how to do that in gnome so that's all I can provide on this particular issue
2024-04-15 02:51:59	vardo	Is there a valid reason to use Wayland vs X?
2024-04-15 02:52:10	vardo	I mean, a practical one
2024-04-15 02:52:52	vardo	I read everywhere and people on other networks that I shouldn't be using wayland in the first place
2024-04-15 02:56:18	mefistofeles	vardo: fractional scaling between displays is one, also it's smoother and has better memory management in my experience. It also seems to fix a lot of issues with screen tearing
2024-04-15 02:57:08	vardo	fractional scaling? I can do it with xrandr no?
2024-04-15 02:57:28	vardo	I have been zooming in/out X with it before
2024-04-15 02:57:46	mefistofeles	vardo: as far as I remember you cannot do different scaling for different displays
2024-04-15 03:01:26	mefistofeles	ah yeah, another one I think is the refresh rate, with X you get one fixed refresh rate for all your displays
2024-04-15 03:04:56	vardo	I see, thank you
2024-04-15 03:29:04	vardo	Thank you
2024-04-15 03:31:22	vardo	Ok so it would be a bug from xwayland that prevents FS to work properly on wayland?
2024-04-15 03:31:50	vardo	I looked at mpan diagram with the position of xwayland in regard to wayland and x11
2024-04-15 03:32:04	vardo	(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/The_Linux_Graphics_Stack_and_glamor.svg)
2024-04-15 05:53:55	⚡ 	cloudowind greets everyone 
2024-04-15 05:58:18	mefistofeles	!give cloudowind welcomerpg
2024-04-15 05:58:19	phrik	cloudowind: Welcome to #archlinux - How can we help you?
2024-04-15 06:26:54	cloudowind	!give mefistofeles thank you 
2024-04-15 06:26:54	phrik	mefistofeles: https://media.giphy.com/media/1Z02vuppxP1Pa/giphy.gif
2024-04-15 06:37:11	breezboy	I updated mkinitcpio about 2 weeks ago and since then i've been getting the following error message https://bpa.st/DIJQ
2024-04-15 06:37:12	phrik	Title: View paste DIJQ (at bpa.st)
2024-04-15 06:37:58	breezboy	I am also unable to type any keys in when I get into emergency shell
2024-04-15 06:38:42	Scimmia	Your initramfs doesn't match the kernel
2024-04-15 06:38:52	Scimmia	when you updated, what did pacman say?
2024-04-15 06:39:41	Scimmia	Or really, the initramfs might be fine and you're just loading an old kernel
2024-04-15 06:39:41	breezboy	I'm not quite sure. Can i provide you with some logs?
2024-04-15 06:47:02	breezboy	I wasn't able to update it at first, but I reached out to #archlinux to get some help. I can't remember what I actually ended up doing.
2024-04-15 06:53:21	rcf	breezboy: please supply logs 
2024-04-15 06:53:24	rcf	!paste
2024-04-15 06:53:25	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-15 06:55:21	breezboy	Would I use journalctl to provide you with the supply logs?
2024-04-15 06:58:22	espresso	breezboy: yes, that is the main one
2024-04-15 06:59:44	cloudowind	Scimmia how did you get to that conclusion with that provided log? i am looking looking but .. 
2024-04-15 07:00:05	cloudowind	is it the first line?
2024-04-15 07:00:56	breezboy	I have to use a bootable usb to boot into my arch linux install. What journalctl option would I use in this scenario?
2024-04-15 07:02:12	cloudowind	can you not mount and archroot into your root drive 
2024-04-15 07:02:13	espresso	Psi-Jack: some things suggest nautilus can 'open with' folders/inode too
2024-04-15 07:02:24	rcf	breezboy: the pacman log might be of more use here. 
2024-04-15 07:02:51	breezboy	k
2024-04-15 07:05:01	breezboy	cloudowind: Yes I can
2024-04-15 07:06:02	cloudowind	find the logs rcf asking first , then you might maybe install whatever you need or match the versions with pacman ?
2024-04-15 07:07:13	rcf	I'm mostly curious as to how you ended up with this particular mismatch. Usually what happens is the initramfs lags behind due to a crash or lack of disk space. 
2024-04-15 07:15:09	breezboy	I'm trying to use bpaste, but it says my log file is too big.
2024-04-15 07:15:33	breezboy	I'm using wgetpaste 
2024-04-15 07:17:16	edu4rdshl	https//gist.github.com ftw
2024-04-15 07:17:36	mpan	!give breezboy 0x0
2024-04-15 07:17:37	phrik	breezboy: curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-04-15 07:17:45	cloudowind	breezboy i learned this here : yea i was gonna give huim that
2024-04-15 07:17:45	edu4rdshl	Also, we don't really need your whole journal from everything, just the last boot tho
2024-04-15 07:17:47	cloudowind	thanks mpan 
2024-04-15 07:18:24	mpan	Note: that pastes from pipe. `file=@FILENAME` will paste from FILENAME.
2024-04-15 07:18:29	cloudowind	it works for images too :)
2024-04-15 07:18:39	mpan	Yes, absolutely. And videos, and other things.
2024-04-15 07:20:47	breezboy	https://0x0.st/X-gA.log
2024-04-15 07:21:22	breezboy	I'm not sure how to only provide the last boot.
2024-04-15 07:23:15	espresso	breezboy: journalctl -b shows current boot, while -b <-1, -2 , ..> show previous boots
2024-04-15 07:23:33	breezboy	Oh ok cool.
2024-04-15 07:23:55	cloudowind	but rcf asked for pacman logs i think as well
2024-04-15 07:24:11	rcf	cloudowind: that's what he gave, as far as I can see. 
2024-04-15 07:24:16	cloudowind	haha sorry 
2024-04-15 07:24:22	edu4rdshl	> 2019-11-04
2024-04-15 07:24:44	edu4rdshl	Ah, that's the pacman log, not journal
2024-04-15 07:24:59	mpan	I can see some pacnews, including a mkinitcpio one. Given the problem, that the updates don’t seem too often etc… is it possible that unmerged pacnew is the cause?
2024-04-15 07:25:31	mpan	(at that scale I can’t tell, what exactly was changed)
2024-04-15 07:30:06	rcf	breezboy: what happens if you try to reinstall linux-zen (pacman -S linux-zeon) now? Post the full output. 
2024-04-15 07:30:21	rcf	s/zeon/zen/
2024-04-15 07:35:08	breezboy	When I tried that last command it reinstalled linux-zen-6.8.1.zen1-1  and it successfully completed.
2024-04-15 07:35:50	edu4rdshl	Check your pacnew/pacsave files
2024-04-15 07:36:32	mpan	“/etc/mkinitcpio.conf.pacnew” in particular, if you haven’t yet.
2024-04-15 07:39:12	rcf	breezboy: file /boot/vmlinuz-linux-zen
2024-04-15 07:40:20	breezboy	after modifying /etc/mkinitcpio.conf I was able to sucessfully boot into arch linux.
2024-04-15 07:41:14	mpan	That is: the problem is resolved?
2024-04-15 07:41:15	breezboy	Thanks Guys!
2024-04-15 07:41:18	mpan	breezboy: so, for the future: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Pacnew_and_Pacsave
2024-04-15 07:41:19	phrik	Title: pacman/Pacnew and Pacsave - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-15 07:41:21	rcf	\o/
2024-04-15 07:41:39	breezboy	K
2024-04-15 07:41:42	mpan	After reading the introduction, see section 5.1.
2024-04-15 07:41:51	breezboy	Will do
2024-04-15 07:42:19	mpan	:)
2024-04-15 07:43:56	espresso	breezboy: nice!
2024-04-15 07:45:21	rcf	I find it very odd that a faulty initramfs would lead to the loading of an ancient kernel. 
2024-04-15 07:45:50	mpan	Same, but that was the only guess I had.
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2024-04-15 08:38:56	siak	 I added nvidia module to /etc/mkinitcpio.conf and ran mkinitcpio -P. Now the system is stuck just before bringing up Plasma. Not only it does not come up but Ctrl+Alt+Fn won't bring up a terminal. I tried backup initrmrd files but no use.
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2024-04-15 08:57:03	espresso	they're trying nomodeset based on advice in #linux
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2024-04-15 09:14:32	cloudowind	the otherday a fellow asked if he should get redhat or paid suse , i asked him how much , he said 190$ a year withouth any support , and i said wow and then realised andunderstood i have no right to complain if something is missing onthe distro i usue which is arch and debian and if something is missing then i need to do it myself if that is device driver or porting a software 
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2024-04-15 09:22:08	espresso	cloudowind: I think you hit a good point. many volunteers.. Though most users are not expected to code, *some* usually do, and likely without much compensation, but it can be a team effort (wiki, translations, support on IRC, etc)
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2024-04-15 09:22:19	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-15 09:30:19	simonw	opensource is a beautiful thing if done correctly, but i think the last debacle with xz or whatever it's called showed us a lot about how 1 guy with little to no support basically did all the work for every distro to be able to ship programs efficiently... yet he was just a one-person operation with crap-all support and we all see where that got us
2024-04-15 09:31:59	simonw	nobody helped that guy with this essential, yet unknown library and that is a slight problem to say the least... as are the people on the AUR spamming "update" in the comments of a package when the update was released 10 minutes ago... attitudes gotta change
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2024-04-15 09:33:32	another|	Damn! New kernel has my mouse nibble broken again. Downgrade it is...
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2024-04-15 09:35:35	pkt	simonw: i agree.. hope folks can change that attitude someday
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2024-04-15 09:35:49	cloudowind	and i am quite upset with lpic and i will write a comment on their posts or something one day to shame them not counting the name of arch linux in their guides , i see suse centos and as we can imagine redhat , they do cound ubuntu and debian as succeder and more stable version of it , and centos as the most stable free os that can be used for enterprise env.s but no mentioning of archlinux
2024-04-15 09:35:49	cloudowind	which is 
2024-04-15 09:35:55	cloudowind	a shame for linux professional institude 
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2024-04-15 09:36:17	jelle	cloudowind: arch is not professional :)
2024-04-15 09:36:41	cloudowind	:) well makes me feel more belonging to arch then jelle
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2024-04-15 09:37:00	jelle	so it makes 100% sense for LPIC to do what you would do in the industry
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2024-04-15 13:39:28	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-15 09:42:50	espresso	I'm not sure what indications there were that they needed help with xz, but I do hope people are mindful of the possibility; narcissism is high on my list of bad qualities for quite some time :)
2024-04-15 09:43:40	jelle	espresso: you can read various detailed reports about bullying regarding xz
2024-04-15 09:46:02	simonw	effectively the maintainer was bullied into sharing maintainership over mental issues and stuff and that guy they shared with was a bad actor and introduced the backdoor as far as i know
2024-04-15 09:46:29	⚡ 	espresso did read of that
2024-04-15 09:46:35	simonw	honestly just a sad story overall, they were literally on holiday when the bomb dropped and people spammed them as hell
2024-04-15 09:57:31	siak	What is the difference between mkinitcpio -P and mkinitcpio -p linux?
2024-04-15 09:57:56	Foxboron	siak: man mkinitcpio
2024-04-15 09:59:36	siak	I just read it. When I change its config to add a module which why should I run?
2024-04-15 09:59:52	Foxboron	siak: which preset did you modify?
2024-04-15 10:00:00	Foxboron	or rather, which file did you modify?
2024-04-15 10:00:59	siak	Don't know. Didn't know about presets when edited the file. There was a module='' which I changed to module=(nvidia)
2024-04-15 10:01:33	Foxboron	So you edited /etc/mkinitcpio.conf?
2024-04-15 10:26:34	siak	Foxboron: yes
2024-04-15 10:27:22	Foxboron	siak: Then you want to build all the presets
2024-04-15 10:31:02	siak	Foxboron: Thanks. What are
2024-04-15 10:31:08	siak	nm the tail
2024-04-15 10:32:30	Gnana	ls | tail -b
2024-04-15 10:38:33	aljustiet	Does someone know why when I run the htop using the doas instead of sudo, I have this view?
2024-04-15 10:38:38	aljustiet	https://lookimg.com/images/2024/04/15/QwkzcE.png
2024-04-15 10:41:27	Khorne	What's wrong with it?
2024-04-15 10:42:40	aljustiet	I have better look when using sudo here:
2024-04-15 10:42:41	aljustiet	https://lookimg.com/images/2024/04/15/Qwk24d.png
2024-04-15 10:43:00	aljustiet	Khorne: ^
2024-04-15 10:43:38	Khorne	I guess some TERM variable that doas sets or unsets or sets differently
2024-04-15 10:44:32	aljustiet	Khorne: How can I find which TERM variable is that?
2024-04-15 10:45:00	Khorne	Check what it is when running a command with doas and running a command with sudo?
2024-04-15 10:48:40	aljustiet	Khorne: https://lookimg.com/images/2024/04/15/QwkBU9.png
2024-04-15 10:51:48	Khorne	What is this supposed to tell me?
2024-04-15 10:52:49	aljustiet	sudo htop is duplicated
2024-04-15 10:53:00	Khorne	Ok?
2024-04-15 10:55:05	aljustiet	wdym by `Check what it is when running a command with doas and running a command with sudo?`?
2024-04-15 10:57:05	Khorne	The environment variables
2024-04-15 11:11:35	aljustiet	Khorne: how can I check them?
2024-04-15 11:14:54	MrAureliusR	Hey folks. Been having an issue with GIMP since, I believe, the upgrade to KDE 6. On 5 everything worked fine, but now every single time I quit GIMP it segfaults. Luckily I can still get all my work done, but I get presented with a screen to file a bug report, which I can't do because the GitLab doesn't allow new registrations ATM.
2024-04-15 11:15:04	MrAureliusR	Just wondering if anyone else has experienced this?
2024-04-15 11:16:28	MrAureliusR	!paste
2024-04-15 11:16:28	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-15 11:18:24	MrAureliusR	Here's the trace, if anyone is interested: https://bpa.st/LOHKT4T675LQALN5J3RS2GISV4
2024-04-15 11:18:25	phrik	Title: View paste LOHKT4T675LQALN5J3RS2GISV4 (at bpa.st)
2024-04-15 11:19:24	MrAureliusR	Oh crap, I forgot my GDB settings don't really make for good copy/paste output
2024-04-15 11:22:08	raster	mrmethinks you need to get real debug symbols and possibly run gimp under valgrind and file a giub upstream depending where valgrind points to
2024-04-15 11:22:44	raster	or alternatively rebuild glib, gtk and gimp with asan enabled and  let that tell you (much faster than valgrind but at the expense of extra compilation)
2024-04-15 11:26:07	Khorne	aljustiet, sudo bash -c 'env' and whatever doas' equivalent is
2024-04-15 11:33:46	aljustiet	Khorne: the `sudo bash -c 'env' doas` and `sudo bash -c 'env' sudo` gave same output
2024-04-15 11:34:04	Porkepix	Hi! I'd have a question about where to find archlinux website (or specific pages) repo? Maybe I didn't looked after the right thing but I only found website's archives. (pacman's page is outdated and still references flyspray, so it'd need an update or at least an issue)
2024-04-15 11:34:11	aljustiet	nooo
2024-04-15 11:34:16	aljustiet	I aliased the sudo to doas
2024-04-15 11:34:55	raster	pebkac :)
2024-04-15 11:35:03	aljustiet	still the same
2024-04-15 11:35:07	aljustiet	output
2024-04-15 11:37:17	MrAureliusR	raster: thanks for the pointers :) will do
2024-04-15 11:38:38	Khorne	Porkepix, https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman/-/blob/master/doc/index.asciidoc?ref_type=heads
2024-04-15 11:38:39	phrik	Title: doc/index.asciidoc · master · Pacman / Pacman · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-15 11:38:44	Khorne	Thought it's updated there
2024-04-15 11:39:13	Khorne	Seems to be the best place to bug people though :')
2024-04-15 11:39:50	aljustiet	Khorne: I should've run the `/usr/bin/doas bash -c 'env'` and `/usr/bin/sudo bash -c 'env'` and compare them
2024-04-15 11:40:45	Khorne	Ok
2024-04-15 11:41:09	Porkepix	Khorne: It's not what one can find on https://archlinux.org/pacman/ (didn't noticed before the "last updated" mention at the bottom, in 2021, yikes)
2024-04-15 11:41:10	phrik	Title: Pacman Home Page (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-15 11:42:18	Khorne	Yea, I saw. That's why I said it's updated in the repo as opposed to on the site
2024-04-15 11:44:29	Porkepix	Oh damn, it's not presented exactly the same way in the repo than on the website so I didn't recognized at first it's the same thing
2024-04-15 11:46:05	aljustiet	I've set the keepenv option in the doas.conf, now everything is fine
2024-04-15 12:07:20	Earnestly	Hm, nice https://github.com/vim/vim/issues/2034
2024-04-15 12:09:50	dagle	Is there any standalone notification daemon that supports notification actions?
2024-04-15 12:14:29	Porkepix	Khorne: Well, I forked and was oing to do the modifications, before seeing someone else already did actually, the page just need to be regenerated; duno if someone should be pinged, an issue opened or anything else that'd be preferred?
2024-04-15 12:15:19	Foxboron	Earnestly: \o/
2024-04-15 12:21:07	rcf	dagle: not for wayland, no. 
2024-04-15 12:22:13	Khorne	Porkepix, I'd open an issue
2024-04-15 12:22:15	Khorne	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2024-04-15 12:23:55	rcf	dagle: of course if you can live with just normal popups, something like xfce4-notifyd works just fine. 
2024-04-15 12:30:41	rcf	In theory, mako or dunst are supposed to support them. They can cope to varying degrees of buttons. But when it the usual nightmare of bluetooth, all bets were off. 
2024-04-15 12:48:09	tatsumaru	I am using the blob-free version of vscode, oss-code on Arch, and sometimes, albeit rare, there will be plugins that I can see exist on the microsoft store, but when I try to find them in my code package manager, they won't appear there and thus I can't install them. for example this one: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=shadowtime2000.eta-vscode  . any idea why?
2024-04-15 12:48:52	jelle	!give tatsumaru aw vscode
2024-04-15 12:48:54	phrik	tatsumaru: Vscode - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Vscode
2024-04-15 12:49:08	jelle	it is explained there
2024-04-15 12:50:08	tatsumaru	I see, thanks.
2024-04-15 13:07:47	Porkepix	rcf: I'm using the occasion you talk about this; I wanted to investigate something around notifications on my system and for that purpose installed additional notifications software. Those use dbus, but the new installed one shows nothing, are dbus notifications working with like a "consumer" and if one notification software consume it, then there's nothing anymore for the others?
2024-04-15 13:08:53	Porkepix	(Namely I installed mako & dunst, after one running that I can't identify but am pretty sure it's knotifications [even though I don't remember installing it, it's present])
2024-04-15 13:09:18	rcf	Porkepix: you need to start those manually. 
2024-04-15 13:09:27	rcf	And you can only start one at a time; they'll hog the service name. 
2024-04-15 13:11:33	rcf	dagle: I guess the ultimate question is what level of functionality you actually need, and how easy you expect the user to be able to figure it out. 
2024-04-15 13:12:27	dagle	rcf: I pretty much just need: Allow => yes, no.
2024-04-15 13:12:46	dagle	dunst and most notification daemons doesn't seem to support this.
2024-04-15 13:14:00	Porkepix	rcf: That's weird then, because none of these have a systemd service, and I don't have any set to start from the hyprland config on the computer running it… yet, notifications does appear from one of them :D (I hoped to identify it through dbus-monitor, but well, nothing that good there). On the other hand, maybe it's just an electron software embedding it's own notification system in case it
2024-04-15 13:14:03	Porkepix	doesn't find any
2024-04-15 13:14:34	rcf	Porkepix: dbus has its own socket activation mechanism that might explain that. 
2024-04-15 13:15:34	Porkepix	s/electron/nw.js/
2024-04-15 13:16:06	Porkepix	rcf: So that it would find eligible programs registered for notifications and call one of them?
2024-04-15 13:21:03	rcf	dagle: looking into that dunst can do it just fine, as long as you've got dmenu set up (or a suitable replacement configured). Middle-click to open the menu.
2024-04-15 13:22:04	rcf	Or Ctrl+Shift+. but I'm not sure if that's the default or something I configured (I use mako nowadays specifically because dunst did not support wayland until much more recently, which requires this) 
2024-04-15 13:25:42	Exa	Porkepix: apparently there is something called BecomeMonitor that can be used for debugging purposes on dbus
2024-04-15 13:27:50	rcf	dagle: the test case being `notify-send "Permissions" "Can dagle hug blåhaj?" -A No -A Yes`, the output is always 1 under normal conditions, but if I make a mistake and complete #No instead it is 0. 
2024-04-15 13:28:05	Earnestly	Foxboron: mv .vim .local/etc/vim # just works™
2024-04-15 13:28:23	Exa	Porkepix: I tested the script given on https://stackoverflow.com/a/75122112 and it can read a notification sent by notify-send, while still having my notification daemon receiving them
2024-04-15 13:28:25	phrik	Title: Custom D-Bus monitor written in Python not receiving all messages - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
2024-04-15 13:28:55	rcf	Porkepix: it will. 
2024-04-15 13:29:14	Foxboron	Earnestly: I need to build vim, but yes. Probably
2024-04-15 13:30:02	Earnestly	Foxboron: I have, and it does
2024-04-15 13:30:37	Earnestly	Although I have some stuff which still uses .vim (undo files and such)
2024-04-15 13:35:49	Porkepix	Exa: But won't that do the exact same thing as the debus-monitor command?
2024-04-15 13:38:49	Exa	Porkepix: yes, probably
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2024-04-15 13:58:24	Earnestly	ls
2024-04-15 13:59:53	rcf	irc: permission denied: /usr/bin/ls
2024-04-15 14:00:30	jelle	!ls rcf
2024-04-15 14:00:31	phrik	drwxrwxr-x 5 rcf rcf 51 2024-04-15 12:00 pr0n/
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2024-04-15 14:02:00	gog	pff
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2024-04-15 14:02:03	gog	i would never have it 755
2024-04-15 14:02:11	gog	or  775
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2024-04-15 14:04:32	rcf	A 777 man I see 
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2024-04-15 14:06:27	gog	not exactly
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2024-04-15 16:02:07	feral_hedgehog	Hello! Anyone know how to get e2image to copy an ext4 FS directly from one disk to another over SSH?
2024-04-15 16:02:48	feral_hedgehog	(the disks are the same, only on different machines)
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2024-04-15 16:04:56	MacGyver	feral_hedgehog: If your intent is to clone the disk and the disks are identical, why not just cat the bytes over?
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2024-04-15 16:06:33	feral_hedgehog	MacGyver: Was hoping to save time since e2image only copies the used bytes of the fs
2024-04-15 16:06:49	MacGyver	feral_hedgehog: Ah. Hmm.
2024-04-15 16:07:05	rcf	Wait, doesn't e2image handle only metadata
2024-04-15 16:07:21	MacGyver	rcf: You can pass it -a for file contents.
2024-04-15 16:07:36	MacGyver	But I'm not sure what it *does* when you do that.
2024-04-15 16:07:52	MacGyver	Judging by https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Disk_cloning#Using_e2image it doesn't look like that would save you any traffic.
2024-04-15 16:07:54	phrik	Title: Disk cloning - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-15 16:08:53	MacGyver	I mean "obviously" you can output e2image's image to stdout, cat that over ssh, and dump it out to disk on the remote end.
2024-04-15 16:09:23	MacGyver	But since stdout doesn't support sparse files, I'd expect that to have to transfer all the zeroes over the network.
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2024-04-15 16:10:06	feral_hedgehog	Makes sense, guess I'll just use cat then 😅
2024-04-15 16:10:22	feral_hedgehog	Ohh and any way to see progress?
2024-04-15 16:10:25	rcf	MacGyver: the advantage could be if it's smart enough to make holes where useless data is present. 
2024-04-15 16:10:39	rcf	It would compress better, if nothing else. 
2024-04-15 16:10:52	feral_hedgehog	(I vaguely remember piping to pv or something like that)
2024-04-15 16:10:55	MacGyver	Yeah you might save some time spent reading the disk otherwise.
2024-04-15 16:11:29	MacGyver	feral_hedgehog: Any chance you can temporarily just physically hook up the second disk to that machine?
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2024-04-15 16:12:17	feral_hedgehog	Both are in awful welded shut laptops 
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2024-04-15 16:15:09	MacGyver	feral_hedgehog: The process is gonna be the same regardless: dump to stdout, (so)cat the result through ssh, make ssh dump on the remote end to disk.
2024-04-15 16:15:13	astralc	can't you use clonezilla or something like that?
2024-04-15 16:15:23	tirnanog	feral_hedgehog: pv blockdev | ssh 'cat > blockdev.img'
2024-04-15 16:16:17	MacGyver	feral_hedgehog: `e2image -ra -p blockdev - | ssh 'cat > blockdev'` instead of pv might shave of some time here.
2024-04-15 16:16:23	tirnanog	feral_hedgehog: if you are looking to speed it up, I have found pigz - specifically pigz - to scale very well for pipelines, which would be: pv blockdev | pigz | ssh 'cat > blockdev.gz'
2024-04-15 16:16:28	MacGyver	feral_hedgehog: But it won't shave off *bytes*.
2024-04-15 16:16:50	tirnanog	er, ssh host 'cat ...', I mean.
2024-04-15 16:16:52	MacGyver	tirnanog: The goal is a cloned blockdevice on the remote end, not a file.
2024-04-15 16:17:00	tirnanog	oh, alright.
2024-04-15 16:17:10	tirnanog	still.
2024-04-15 16:17:11	feral_hedgehog	MacGyver: Wait I can just pipe the output of e2image into a blockdev?
2024-04-15 16:17:17	tirnanog	it can still speed it up
2024-04-15 16:17:20	MacGyver	You could pipe it through gz on both ends though.
2024-04-15 16:17:24	tirnanog	right.
2024-04-15 16:17:41	MacGyver	feral_hedgehog: As far as I can tell, if you make it use raw (not qcow2), then yes.
2024-04-15 16:17:57	colo	I *just now* used partclone.ext4 and partclone.restore to do that (clone an ext4 fs over a pipe)
2024-04-15 16:18:22	tirnanog	iirc, e2image has the advantage of not having to read the entirety of the block device (even in its "raw" mode).
2024-04-15 16:18:28	tirnanog	but it's been a while since I used it.
2024-04-15 16:19:00	colo	sudo partclone.ext4 -c -s /dev/SOURFSBLOCKDEV -o - | ssh root@TARGETHOST sudo partclone.restore -d -s - -o /dev/TARGETFSBLOCKDEV
2024-04-15 16:19:02	MacGyver	feral_hedgehog: You could try `e2image -ra -p blockdev - | gzip | ssh host 'zcat > blockdev'`
2024-04-15 16:19:13	colo	(needs partclone on both ends)
2024-04-15 16:19:30	MacGyver	feral_hedgehog: Or zstd and zstdcat instead of gz and zcat.
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2024-04-15 16:23:50	Freneticks	pacman just crashed an kernel became crazy, so now chromium package is corrupt, how can I force -S ?
2024-04-15 16:24:11	rcf	Freneticks: nvidia? 
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2024-04-15 16:24:41	rcf	Just curious if that particular bug strikes yet again. 
2024-04-15 16:25:10	Freneticks	rcf: no AMDGPU
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2024-04-15 16:27:07	rcf	Freneticks: in any case, just using -S on its own will reinstall. 
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2024-04-15 16:28:06	rcf	Also look into pacman -Qkkq to see if there's any other obvious corruption. 
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2024-04-15 16:29:45	rcf	Or actually just -Qkk, it's more helpful
2024-04-15 16:29:51	rcf	If noisy.
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2024-04-15 16:32:56	feral_hedgehog	MacGyver: Right, went with pipes with zstd - looks faster than just catting so far!
2024-04-15 16:33:05	feral_hedgehog	Thanks for your help!
2024-04-15 16:33:08	MacGyver	Yw.
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2024-04-15 16:33:19	MacGyver	You can thank me when the remote side turns out to be intact :P
2024-04-15 16:33:31	rcf	tirnanog: e2image does seem to be capable of doing this. 
2024-04-15 16:34:00	rcf	It's not perfect, but it excises a lot more old data on a well-used filesystem. 
2024-04-15 16:34:02	tirnanog	rcf: makes sense, being metadata-aware.
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2024-04-15 16:37:35	rcf	qcow2 would be even better but it can't be streamed. 
2024-04-15 16:38:10	MacGyver	I don't think qcow2 would really save any data here that zstd doesn't already take care of.
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2024-04-15 16:49:55	rcf	It depends on just how sparse the disk really is. 
2024-04-15 16:56:53	rcf	But it'd be useless here, and you get the same gains by just upping zstd's level until you're CPU bound. 
2024-04-15 16:59:32	another|	zstd can even --adapt to network speed
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2024-04-15 17:11:05	rcf	That's... actually amazing, I did not realize it could do that. 
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2024-04-15 17:22:30	kurtosis	ZFS on Arch specific query:  Is there a ZFS tool or process to reallocate some of my 7.7 GiB available /dev space to zroot or to zroot/encr/data/home?  Drive and zfs structure, http://0x0.st/X-l1.txt
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2024-04-15 17:27:26	Scimmia	kurtosis: /dev is in memory, not on disk
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2024-04-15 17:29:42	Gnana	internet is speed test if good. but pacman  have issue if downlaoding n bits. using reflector. still no speed im getting?
2024-04-15 17:30:09	Namarrgon	"downloading n bits"?
2024-04-15 17:30:24	Gnana	27.7 KiB/s
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2024-04-15 17:30:31	Gnana	only speed im getting 
2024-04-15 17:30:44	Namarrgon	Don't rely on reflector too much, manually pick a mirror.
2024-04-15 17:30:53	Gnana	ok
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2024-04-15 17:32:38	Gnana	using world wide servers
2024-04-15 17:32:41	Gnana	still smae speed
2024-04-15 17:32:43	Gnana	same
2024-04-15 17:32:47	Khorne	Use one close to you, it's been discussed.
2024-04-15 17:33:37	Namarrgon	Which mirror did you pick?
2024-04-15 17:33:44	Gnana	India
2024-04-15 17:33:54	Namarrgon	That is a country, not a mirror.
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2024-04-15 17:34:30	Gnana	https://mirror.4v1.in/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch
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2024-04-15 17:35:20	Namarrgon	Is that the only mirror in the mirrorlist file?
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2024-04-15 17:36:01	Gnana	i downloaded the whole mirrolist 
2024-04-15 17:36:03	Alarming_Thing	 While booting, after message 'Triggering uevents' it takes while for next message toappear. Is it possibleto find out why the delay?
2024-04-15 17:36:05	Khorne	Considering I get 13MB/s from it and I'm not even in India I'd suggest your speedtest is lying to you or your ISP is running you in a couple circles
2024-04-15 17:36:06	Gnana	https://archlinux.org/mirrorlist/?country=all&protocol=http&protocol=https&ip_version=4&ip_version=6
2024-04-15 17:36:49	Namarrgon	Remove everything else from that file.
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2024-04-15 17:38:21	Gnana	which mirros i should pick?
2024-04-15 17:38:27	Gnana	cleaned the file
2024-04-15 17:38:38	Namarrgon	The one you just mentioned
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2024-04-15 17:41:41	Alarming_Thing	<mingdao: Ok, will post the url
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2024-04-15 17:45:36	Alarming_Thing	okey. should i post entire journal here in this channel? ( forgive me, i amusing irc after morethan 2decades
2024-04-15 17:46:05	bswartz	Just the paste link. Never flood an IRC channel
2024-04-15 17:46:20	bswartz	And welcome back to IRC
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2024-04-15 17:51:24	Alarming_Thing	Yes I am aware of 0x0st pastebin
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2024-04-15 17:54:15	kurtosis	Scimmia - I assume that means there is no optimal long term solution other than expanding the size my zfs / partition.  I know of work-arounds for now, like grabbing needed files from my main Arch system, but that is sub-optimal long-term.  Seems to me if I want a larger zfs /home, either shrinking Win (/dev/nvme0n1p3 ~126 GiB) or an entire drive re-partitioning will be required, as I have no
2024-04-15 17:54:17	kurtosis	free drive space.  Thank you for your input
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2024-04-15 18:41:21	MrAureliusR	UEFI laptops' setup programs aren't UEFI applications typically, are they?
2024-04-15 18:41:37	gog	they are
2024-04-15 18:41:43	MrAureliusR	D:
2024-04-15 18:42:12	MrAureliusR	maybe I can find recovery media for this laptop. it still boots and works fine but I can't get into setup
2024-04-15 18:42:29	gog	oopsie
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2024-04-15 18:45:55	teraflops	MrAureliusR: even if you setup a boot UEFI menu entry in your bootloader?
2024-04-15 18:46:19	MrAureliusR	teraflops: pretty sure one is generated by default and it does the same thing as hitting Delete
2024-04-15 18:46:34	MrAureliusR	I just get a black screen with a blinking cursor
2024-04-15 18:46:40	teraflops	:(
2024-04-15 18:47:00	MrAureliusR	sadly the acer website has BIOS updates, but it's already on the latest BIOS, and there's no recovery media
2024-04-15 18:47:21	MrAureliusR	I guess I'd have to find someone with the exact same machine and try to get their UEFI partition
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2024-04-15 18:48:43	teraflops	isnt uefi menu flashed into a chip?
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2024-04-15 18:49:04	MrAureliusR	that's what I thought too, but apparently not?
2024-04-15 18:49:20	MrAureliusR	it seems kind of ridiculous because if you wipe your hard drive you lock yourself out of the BIOS setup
2024-04-15 18:49:23	teraflops	idk hence ny question
2024-04-15 18:49:42	MrAureliusR	yes I know
2024-04-15 18:50:02	MrAureliusR	whatever you like to call the good old blue screen setup
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2024-04-15 18:50:17	MrAureliusR	sure
2024-04-15 18:50:53	MrAureliusR	I already spelled it out above
2024-04-15 18:51:06	MrAureliusR	Thanks for your input ;)
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2024-04-15 18:51:19	gog	the setup application will be on a firmware device, not in the ESP
2024-04-15 18:51:54	kurtosis	MrAureliusR:  is there an Acer option to re-install (not upgrade or downgrade your) BIOS?
2024-04-15 18:51:55	MrAureliusR	okay, so why did you say they are when I asked if UEFI setup programs were UEFI applicatons?
2024-04-15 18:52:05	gog	because it is a UEFI application
2024-04-15 18:52:11	gog	it just doesn't live in the ESP
2024-04-15 18:52:32	MrAureliusR	kurtosis: nope, it sees the existing version and refuses to overwrite it
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2024-04-15 18:53:21	Namarrgon	Have you reset the firmware to defaults already?
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2024-04-15 18:53:44	MrAureliusR	how can I do that without getting into the UEFI setup?
2024-04-15 18:53:50	Namarrgon	The mainboard usually has a jumper or solder pads you can short to reset it.
2024-04-15 18:54:04	MrAureliusR	no, it's not
2024-04-15 18:54:10	MrAureliusR	as I said, I get a black screen with a cursor
2024-04-15 18:54:26	MrAureliusR	Namarrgon: hmm, I might have to crack it open and take a look
2024-04-15 18:54:38	MrAureliusR	When attempting to enter UEFI setup during the boot screen
2024-04-15 18:54:53	MrAureliusR	pressing the function key it says to press
2024-04-15 18:55:00	MrAureliusR	Yes
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2024-04-15 18:55:19	MrAureliusR	laptop
2024-04-15 18:55:21	gog	sometimes there's a keyboard combo you can put in to clear the nvram and that might allow you to access the setup app
2024-04-15 18:55:33	gog	idk about acer tho
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2024-04-15 18:55:53	MrAureliusR	AN517-51
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2024-04-15 18:56:15	MrAureliusR	it's on version 1.33 of the BIOS
2024-04-15 18:56:37	gog	ok time to go home
2024-04-15 18:56:39	gog	byeee
2024-04-15 18:56:43	MrAureliusR	Yup, I've been inside it a few times
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2024-04-15 18:56:50	espresso	https://community.acer.com/en/discussion/597770/nitro-5-unable-to-enter-bios-uefi
2024-04-15 18:56:52	phrik	Title: Nitro 5 unable to enter BIOS/UEFI — Acer Community (at community.acer.com)
2024-04-15 18:57:17	MrAureliusR	interesting
2024-04-15 18:57:21	MrAureliusR	okay, will give that a try
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2024-04-15 18:57:50	kurtosis	MrAureliusR:  k, so it does exist, which is why you can boot.  Been years since I last dealt with Acer, and I'm still in emotional and economic recovery mode - never again!  Have you tried ALL the other f1-f12 keys immediately after power on?  Also, I can't remember if `esc' ever worked on my Acer laptop
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2024-04-15 18:59:08	MrAureliusR	I am fairly sure both secure boot and fastboot are disabled
2024-04-15 18:59:28	MrAureliusR	actually, thinking back... when this laptop was running Fedora I could still get into the UEFI setup, I think
2024-04-15 18:59:37	MrAureliusR	my memory isn't the best though
2024-04-15 18:59:56	espresso	(* tldr: in that thread it is recommended to delete the grubx54.efi file for the UEFI to work again)
2024-04-15 19:00:13	MrAureliusR	x54, now that's an architecture worth using
2024-04-15 19:00:31	MrAureliusR	who needs all those bits? just knock 10 off and it goes %20 faster
2024-04-15 19:00:33	MrAureliusR	:P
2024-04-15 19:02:14	MrAureliusR	hmm, there are multiple grubx64.efi files
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2024-04-15 19:03:06	MrAureliusR	well, time to test. brb. hopefully.
2024-04-15 19:03:11	kurtosis	MrAureliusR:  are you also booting with Win on this laptop's HDD/SSD?  
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2024-04-15 19:03:16	MrAureliusR	nope
2024-04-15 19:03:20	kurtosis	k
2024-04-15 19:03:21	MrAureliusR	just arch
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2024-04-15 19:05:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-15 19:07:59	Alarming_Thing	Does anyone use KDE? The Plasma doesn't seem to support touchpad sensitivity. Anyone hasit working?
2024-04-15 19:09:13	espresso	Alarming_Thing: I don't use touchpad, but maybe it's reported? https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=touchpad+sensitivity
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2024-04-15 19:11:06	Alarming_Thing	Thanks espresso. I should've searched therefirst
2024-04-15 19:11:43	kurtosis	Alarming_Thing:  my KDE / Plasma 6 / Wayland touchpad is working well here at the defaults.  Consider asking the larger user base on #kde
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2024-04-15 19:12:27	Alarming_Thing	kurtosis: My KDE touchpad settings have no sensitivity options
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2024-04-15 19:13:13	espresso	Alarming_Thing: I don't know if it was reported, but just hoped. I have 'no touchpad found' (having no touchpad)
2024-04-15 19:13:23	Alarming_Thing	ah
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2024-04-15 19:14:36	kurtosis	Alarming_Thing:  same here, but working well:  My KDE touchpad settings have no sensitivity options
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2024-04-15 19:16:14	kurtosis	afaict, many System Settings were changed (and/or eliminated) during the transition from Plasma 5 --> 6
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2024-04-15 19:17:45	Alarming_Thing	system settings ( app)exists in plasma 6. Otherwise how's onegoing to make anycustomiation?
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2024-04-15 19:19:25	espresso	Alarming_Thing: I think what was meant is that *some* of those settings changed :)
2024-04-15 19:20:12	kurtosis	the fact that there no longer exists an option (on 6) to force WiFi to remain connected during sleep/suspend is distressing
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2024-04-15 19:20:51	kurtosis	that was under Advanced Power Management, previously
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2024-04-15 19:22:54	Alarming_Thing	any network applet for iwd? I am thinking about ditching NetworkManager in favor of iwd/systemd-networkd
2024-04-15 19:23:24	grawity	what would that gain you
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2024-04-15 19:24:00	espresso	Alarming_Thing: systemd-networkd has been solid and easy to configure here, if it helps
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2024-04-15 19:25:11	edu4rdshl	Alarming_Thing, no, there aren't applets for networkd
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2024-04-15 19:25:37	Alarming_Thing	i'beenusing iwd for long. but since thereis no applet, there's no integration with kde
2024-04-15 19:25:38	espresso	I thought I saw a network monitor for it, but yeah
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2024-04-15 19:25:51	Alarming_Thing	i personally prefer iwd/systemd-n
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2024-04-15 19:28:01	edu4rdshl	I got so used to networkd that trying to replicate the same setup on something like NetworkManager is something I don't want to do
2024-04-15 19:28:32	edu4rdshl	Plus, networkd integrates very well with my systemd-nspawn containers
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2024-04-15 19:30:24	gehidore	^
2024-04-15 19:31:00	gehidore	after i set a .path unit on the wpa_supplicant@device config file... I really grew to enjoy my networkd+wpa_supplicant configuration
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2024-04-15 19:33:56	edu4rdshl	gehidore, any reason for not using iwd instead of wpa_supplicant ot just because the later "just works"?
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2024-04-15 19:35:11	gehidore	I haven't been forced to use iwd enough to learn it and the few times I have interacted with it it really didn't seem intuitive to me when compared to the flow I was already used to
2024-04-15 19:35:21	gehidore	so yeah I guess because it just works
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2024-04-15 19:36:18	edu4rdshl	Fair
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2024-04-15 19:43:43	vikn	 
2024-04-15 19:43:43	vikn	/JOIN #archlinux-newbie
2024-04-15 19:43:50	vikn	Whoops
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2024-04-15 19:44:08	YourPants	lol
2024-04-15 19:44:23	vikn	I'm not cool enough to be here xD
2024-04-15 19:44:28	teraflops	nah
2024-04-15 19:44:34	vikn	;p
2024-04-15 19:44:41	YourPants	nah this channel is welcoming regardless of your experience
2024-04-15 19:44:46	edu4rdshl	Nobody is, vikn 
2024-04-15 19:44:52	edu4rdshl	But we are here
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2024-04-15 19:45:32	vikn	I have actually used Arch for years but I thought being a bit humble wouldn't hurt.
2024-04-15 19:45:51	◥	philopsos (~caecilius@user/philopsos) has joined #archlinux
2024-04-15 19:45:53	vikn	And perhaps I can give back if somebody is stuck on a trivial issue
2024-04-15 19:46:00	DeepDayze	Anyone's opinion on Archinstall?
2024-04-15 19:46:14	teraflops	uh, poll
2024-04-15 19:46:20	edu4rdshl	!give DeepDayze poll
2024-04-15 19:46:21	phrik	DeepDayze: Compensation for channel surveys is accepted in Dogecoins, Simoleons, and Kongbucks.
2024-04-15 19:46:26	DeepDayze	Lol
2024-04-15 19:46:47	DeepDayze	Nah not trying to start a flame war :-)
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2024-04-15 19:47:39	teraflops	DeepDayze: my opinion is that if you are used to install arch the old way then it can be helpful, but if you neved installed arch before I discourage using arch install script
2024-04-15 19:47:45	⚡ 	plasma gives Psi-Jack Neo-Simoleons
2024-04-15 19:47:53	edu4rdshl	Let's no start flame wars
2024-04-15 19:48:02	edu4rdshl	Btw, vim or nano?
2024-04-15 19:48:06	edu4rdshl	:p
2024-04-15 19:48:07	plasma	nano! :P
2024-04-15 19:48:08	DeepDayze	Fair enough :-)
2024-04-15 19:48:30	YourPants	sudo or doas?
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2024-04-15 19:48:45	DeepDayze	Either I use :-)
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2024-04-15 19:48:50	edu4rdshl	Just run your system as root
2024-04-15 19:48:56	YourPants	so true
2024-04-15 19:48:58	gog	coke or pepsi?
2024-04-15 19:48:58	edu4rdshl	No need for that bloat!
2024-04-15 19:49:08	teraflops	!fight 🐱 🐐 
2024-04-15 19:49:09	phrik	🐐
2024-04-15 19:49:11	YourPants	dont worry only 500 people use this pc
2024-04-15 19:49:31	plasma	Vita Cola :)
2024-04-15 19:49:32	gog	Psi-Jack: sunset sarsparilla
2024-04-15 19:49:36	edu4rdshl	YourPants, imagine having to configure sudo for 500 ppl
2024-04-15 19:49:54	YourPants	nah everyone just logs in as root
2024-04-15 19:50:03	YourPants	so much faster that way!!
2024-04-15 19:50:05	edu4rdshl	Yeah, sane approach
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2024-04-15 19:56:44	kurtosis	I used to love netctl's --> wifi-menu, then detested iwd's --> iwctl until I taught myself how to use iwctl's awesome <tab-autocomplete> support> (i.e. TA).  iirc, my connection sequence:  is iwctl, s(TA) --> station w(TA) --> wlan0, c(TA) --> connect, XXX first letters of your complex WiFi station name (TA) --> enter your station's passphrase.  To verify connectivity, s(TA) --> station, l(TA)
2024-04-15 19:56:46	kurtosis	--> list.  To quit iwctl, q(TA) --> quit.  Very few keystrokes and highly efficoent
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2024-04-15 20:25:23	Synthead	after installing opensmtpd, I found that smtpctl is owned by gid audio
2024-04-15 20:25:27	Synthead	what's going on here?
2024-04-15 20:25:31	Synthead	$ ls -l /usr/bin/smtpctl
2024-04-15 20:25:32	Synthead	-r-xr-sr-x 1 root audio 586088 Apr 10 07:06 /usr/bin/smtpctl
2024-04-15 20:27:33	grawity	it ships a sysusers.d file that defines a static uid/gid for the opensmtpd service account
2024-04-15 20:27:37	edu4rdshl	Synthead, what's wrong with that?
2024-04-15 20:27:46	edu4rdshl	And yeah, what grawity said
2024-04-15 20:27:48	grawity	which happens to conflict with the 'audio' gid that Arch used to define a year back
2024-04-15 20:28:11	◥	henriqueffc (~Thunderbi@189.37.80.29) has joined #archlinux
2024-04-15 20:28:16	grawity	*until 2-3 years back
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2024-04-15 20:28:43	grawity	anyway, whack the packager via gitlab for doing that
2024-04-15 20:29:35	edu4rdshl	Packager: Jia Tan
2024-04-15 20:30:10	grawity	pacman -S a funnier joke
2024-04-15 20:30:21	lambda	the opensmtpd uids go back 10 years though
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2024-04-15 20:32:48	grawity	the core/filesystem uids were trimmed down in 2017
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2024-04-15 20:33:44	grawity	I think it's fair to assume that there are still many users who installed arch at or before aug. 2017
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2024-04-15 20:35:42	grawity	lol the opensmtpd useradd was really added in 2013
2024-04-15 20:35:46	grawity	whyyyy
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2024-04-15 20:48:36	Synthead	oh yes this system is many years old
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2024-04-15 20:48:52	Synthead	what should I do to "fix" it?
2024-04-15 20:49:10	MrAureliusR	phew okay
2024-04-15 20:49:20	MrAureliusR	booted into my rescue USB
2024-04-15 20:49:26	MrAureliusR	things went a bit sideways :D
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2024-04-15 20:55:11	edu4rdshl	Synthead, is that causing any problem?
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2024-04-15 20:57:58	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-15 20:57:58	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1484 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1483 regular)
2024-04-15 20:57:06	Synthead	edu4rdshl: it seems to be
2024-04-15 20:57:08	Synthead	$ mail -s test myself@example.com <<< "test mail"
2024-04-15 20:57:08	Synthead	sendmail: this program must be setgid smtpq
2024-04-15 20:57:08	Synthead	mail: ... message not sent
2024-04-15 20:57:58	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-15 21:00:00	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-15 21:00:00	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-15 21:03:45	lambda	Synthead: check if there's anything on your system using the audio group, if not, delete it and rerun systemd-sysusers.service
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2024-04-15 21:06:05	edu4rdshl	Pretty sure it's being used
2024-04-15 21:06:18	edu4rdshl	I would just chown it
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2024-04-15 21:22:44	Warepire	Synthead: Which group number is audio in your system? I would wager 91
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2024-04-15 21:23:26	Warepire	opensmtpd installs groups 91 and 92 explicitly as smtpd and smtpq
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2024-04-15 21:33:53	Synthead	Warepire: 92
2024-04-15 21:33:56	Synthead	$ grep audio /etc/group
2024-04-15 21:33:56	Synthead	audio:x:92:mpd
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2024-04-15 21:35:19	Warepire	Sorry, I misread your initial messages as the daemon being the issue and not the ctl. Yeah, 92 makes sense.
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2024-04-15 21:37:18	Warepire	As a test, you might be able to re-allocate the number to a free one in the /usr/lib/sysusers.d/opensmtpd.conf file to a free number.
2024-04-15 21:37:59	Warepire	And then chown all the smtp files owned by audio to the new group number
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2024-04-15 21:43:35	pounce	folks, xelatex is segfaulting for me
2024-04-15 21:43:38	pounce	i have no idea why
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2024-04-15 21:45:32	lambda	neither have I, but I wish you much strength on that particular debugging journey
2024-04-15 21:46:47	pounce	lambda: i have like one week to write my thesis, you think i have time for that ;-;
2024-04-15 21:46:55	pounce	anyway it seems to be this issue: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=112911 from 2011
2024-04-15 21:46:56	phrik	Title: XeLaTex - Segmentation fault / Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-04-15 21:47:12	lambda	I highly doubt that
2024-04-15 21:47:22	pounce	well it was the `examplep' package for me too
2024-04-15 21:47:24	pounce	so it seems probable
2024-04-15 21:47:25	lambda	then again, this is the LaTeX ecosystem
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2024-04-15 22:04:01	rsaavedra	hi, I am getting the following "BUG: scheduling while atomic: kworker/2:3/174/0x00000002" It comes after systemd "NetworkManager-dispatcher.service: Deactivated successfully." When I switch off wifi then connect ethernet. Next I get " watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#2 stuck for 26s! [kworker/2:0:33]". Any help?
2024-04-15 22:04:39	rsaavedra	I keep getting soft lockups until the system gets frozen
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2024-04-15 22:08:18	rsaavedra	There is also this bug before all that "BUG: scheduling while atomic: kworker/2:3/174/0x00000002"
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2024-04-15 23:12:27	MrAureliusR	and we're back up and running
2024-04-15 23:12:35	MrAureliusR	aw yeah. and now I can access the UEFI Setup again
2024-04-15 23:39:56	MrAureliusR	Following the guide that was linked
2024-04-15 23:40:20	MrAureliusR	I seemed to have a duplicate grubx64.efi
2024-04-15 23:40:41	MrAureliusR	I actually nuked all of them, and then booted into my arch rescue usb and re-installed/re-mkconfig'd grub
2024-04-15 23:40:52	MrAureliusR	seems to have solved things for now
2024-04-15 23:41:11	Namarrgon	"duplicate"?
2024-04-15 23:41:24	Namarrgon	In two different paths?
2024-04-15 23:46:23	Nuc1eoN	Hi I have a touchpad in my ultrabook that is recognized as 'ASUE140C:00 04F3:3145 Touchpad'. It works fine on my Arch system. But I have a different linux system with an older kernel where the touchpad doesn't work. How can I find the module name for 'ASUE140C' that is used on my arch system?
2024-04-15 23:46:58	Nuc1eoN	I'd like to find out whether it doesn't work on the other distro due to the kernel
2024-04-15 23:48:18	Namarrgon	Have you looked through the kernel log? If lspci doesn't list it it's usually connected via ps2/i2c or some other nonsense
2024-04-15 23:48:25	Namarrgon	*lsusb
2024-04-15 23:54:33	Nuc1eoN	indeed, lsusb wouldn't list it. Seems it is connected via i2c? Dmesg shows:
2024-04-15 23:54:33	Nuc1eoN	input: ASUE140C:00 04F3:3145 Touchpad as /devices/platform/AMDI0010:03/i2c-1/i2c-ASUE140C:00/0018:04F3:3145.0003/input/input26
2024-04-15 23:55:27	Nuc1eoN	The other distro is very niche (GoboLinux) I'm kinda hacking on it, not much to find on google :) 
2024-04-15 23:57:00	Nuc1eoN	Not sure how to deduct the kernel module name from that
2024-04-15 23:57:55	Namarrgon	Which modules are loaded on the working system?
2024-04-16 00:00:56	Nuc1eoN	This is my lsmod on the working system https://bpa.st/LFHQ
2024-04-16 00:00:57	phrik	Title: View paste LFHQ (at bpa.st)
2024-04-16 00:02:09	Namarrgon	i2c_hid sticks out
2024-04-16 00:02:38	Namarrgon	i8042 is also loaded
2024-04-16 00:02:44	Namarrgon	might be fore the keyboard though
2024-04-16 00:07:28	Nuc1eoN	https://www.diffchecker.com/38SbaHOq/ left is the working archlinux system
2024-04-16 00:07:29	phrik	Title: touchpad - Diffchecker (at www.diffchecker.com)
2024-04-16 00:08:05	Nuc1eoN	seems those modules are loaded on both.
2024-04-16 00:08:39	Namarrgon	Which version of the kernel does gobolinux use?
2024-04-16 00:09:45	Nuc1eoN	It's on 5.18 currently (although I had briefly tried 6.0, which did not work either but had a freeze bug so I reverted)
2024-04-16 00:10:09	Nuc1eoN	It might well be that the support for that touchpad got introduced later on
2024-04-16 00:10:24	Namarrgon	Arch doesn't apply any meaningful kernel patches, so your issue is more likely with the gobolinux kernel.
2024-04-16 00:10:35	Namarrgon	Try something more recent.
2024-04-16 00:10:51	Nuc1eoN	Yup gotcha. ty Namarrgon
2024-04-16 00:32:45	⚡ 	floyd wishes good times for everyone
2024-04-16 01:38:05	quarters	hello. I had tried to clone my full disk drive using dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=64K conv=noerror,sync status=progress per https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dd#Disk_cloning_and_restore, but I don't see any partitions and my gpt partition shows as a dos one. However, when I try to recreate the partition table, it looks like the underlying data remains as is. can anyone help with moving forward
2024-04-16 01:38:05	quarters	with this situation?
2024-04-16 01:38:06	phrik	Title: dd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-16 01:38:40	mpan	quarters: why did you introduce random runs of zeros to your data?
2024-04-16 01:39:01	mpan	Oh, wait. AW says that. :|
2024-04-16 01:39:16	mpan	(ignore me, not your fault)
2024-04-16 01:40:55	mpan	quarters: if dd appear in your head just because you thought of word “disk”, please stop, breathe, count to 10. Don’t use dd, unless absolutely necessary. Whoever wrote this part is the best proof of why. ;)
2024-04-16 01:42:00	mpan	quarters: you could clone by just doing `cp`, if the destination is big enough.
2024-04-16 01:42:39	mpan	quarters: basically see this, but with your disks/partitions instead of the iso/flash: <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/USB_flash_installation_media#Using_basic_command_line_utilities>.
2024-04-16 01:42:42	phrik	Title: USB flash installation medium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-16 01:43:08	mpan	(skipping the dd part)
2024-04-16 01:43:22	quarters	mpan: do you mean cp -R / should do the trick?
2024-04-16 01:43:27	mpan	Not cp -r
2024-04-16 01:43:32	mpan	cp disk1 disk2
2024-04-16 01:43:42	quarters	oooh nice
2024-04-16 01:43:44	mpan	cp /dev/sda /dev/sdb
2024-04-16 01:43:49	rcf	There's no reason to do that now, though. 
2024-04-16 01:44:07	mpan	rcf: given that `dd` might have introduced random runs of zeros in the data…
2024-04-16 01:44:23	quarters	why is that technique absent from https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/disk_cloning
2024-04-16 01:44:24	phrik	Title: Disk cloning - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-16 01:44:27	quarters	which is how I found https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dd#Disk_cloning_and_restore
2024-04-16 01:44:29	phrik	Title: dd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-16 01:44:46	quarters	I went with the first front and center presented solution
2024-04-16 01:44:47	mpan	quarters: yes, not your fault. Absolutely.
2024-04-16 01:45:10	mpan	(I am also too tired of fighting dd-ists to fix that…)
2024-04-16 01:45:21	quarters	so that means I'll have to nuke the two partitions and start over
2024-04-16 01:45:37	mpan	quarters: wait
2024-04-16 01:45:49	rcf	mpan: where is it documented that it will do this
2024-04-16 01:45:52	quarters	I also didn't use cp just in case there are some permission related restrictions and errors or hidden files that aren't caught
2024-04-16 01:45:56	mpan	quarters: are these two disks in the system at the same time?
2024-04-16 01:46:12	mpan	rcf: conv=sync ≠ oflag=sync
2024-04-16 01:46:44	quarters	mpan: the target is a fresh drive and the source would be connected via usb while I"m booted into the install iso
2024-04-16 01:46:48	rcf	...jesus christ who put that on the wiki
2024-04-16 01:47:09	mpan	quarters: remove one of them and retry. Note that if you simply copied them, there will be two sets of partitions with the same UUID (and the same for filesystems).
2024-04-16 01:47:30	rcf	Well, wait. That's actually what you want. 
2024-04-16 01:48:13	quarters	I feel like my scenario is a fairly common, if not the most common scenario
2024-04-16 01:48:28	mpan	rcf: yes. And I literally can’t be assed to fix these things once again. Soon somebody will come and edit it again, copying somethin they found in “ancient lore”, without ever reading what dd does and understanding the implications/subtleties.
2024-04-16 01:48:46	mpan	rcf: just wait for O_DIRECT being added, “because it’s faster”.
2024-04-16 01:49:16	rcf	mpan: in that case, the sync is to keep alignment after an error. Which you shouldn't do, because ddrescue is a thing, but if you have IO errors that's a separate problem. 
2024-04-16 01:49:18	mpan	rcf: and 3 months down the line somebody coming wondering, why they receive some weird errors from dd while copying data, something about alignment.
2024-04-16 01:49:36	mpan	rcf: if that was the intention… then I ask if it really belongs to cloning and not rescue.
2024-04-16 01:49:59	mpan	quarters: there can’t be two partitions or filesystems with the same UUID in the system at the same time.
2024-04-16 01:50:39	mpan	I think nowadays Linux deals pretty well with that, but weird things may still happen from time to time. THere is no problem with them simply being on the drives, but you shouldn’t try to use them.
2024-04-16 01:50:49	quarters	so cp /dev/sdb /dev/sda won't work
2024-04-16 01:50:54	mpan	This is the only explanation, other than dd broken something, to your situation.
2024-04-16 01:50:58	mpan	quarters: why?
2024-04-16 01:51:07	rcf	Please don't do that. 
2024-04-16 01:51:08	quarters	mpan: I'm asking you if it won't
2024-04-16 01:51:19	quarters	I dunno anything
2024-04-16 01:51:21	rcf	You reversed the order. 
2024-04-16 01:51:33	quarters	sorry. sdb is the source and sda is the target
2024-04-16 01:51:39	mpan	quarters: aside from you reversing the order, it will work. 
2024-04-16 01:51:46	quarters	I may have flipped them in the initial command
2024-04-16 01:51:53	rcf	I think you did, and that's bad. 
2024-04-16 01:52:00	mpan	quarters: just don’t try to actually use these filesystems while both drives are in the system. I mean… it may work, but is not guaranteed.
2024-04-16 01:52:18	rcf	Also, wait, that's another thing. If these are mounted you can't do this anyway. 
2024-04-16 01:52:27	quarters	no, I mean the most current one cp /dev/sdb /dev/sda is my understanding of what is recommended by mpan
2024-04-16 01:52:37	mpan	cp SRC DST
2024-04-16 01:52:40	MacGyver	Sooooo.
2024-04-16 01:52:54	MacGyver	Hold up for a second, because you're all talking cross purposes.
2024-04-16 01:52:59	quarters	mpan: so you're telling me that that won't work, since they will be mounted at the same time
2024-04-16 01:53:00	mpan	It works just like any other cp. You are copying files. (and so you would with dd: dd doesn’t know about drives; it just copies files)
2024-04-16 01:53:10	mpan	quarters: no
2024-04-16 01:53:12	quarters	not sure how this would not be the case
2024-04-16 01:53:16	MacGyver	quarters: Your *initial* dd command identified the source as /dev/sda and the destination as /dev/sdb.
2024-04-16 01:53:18	mpan	Ok, please stop.
2024-04-16 01:53:28	mpan	You are now mixing up three separate things we mentioned here.
2024-04-16 01:53:30	rcf	I would agree, because in the midst of evangelizing we've just discovered a potential serious error. Well, two, maybe. 
2024-04-16 01:53:57	quarters	MacGyver, yes, exactly. which is why I apologized for the confusion and corrected the record
2024-04-16 01:54:31	MacGyver	quarters: So, just to be absolutely clear, you never ran `dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb` where it should have been the other way around?
2024-04-16 01:54:43	quarters	MacGyver, that's correct :)
2024-04-16 01:55:02	MacGyver	Okay, no data recovery scenario then, carry on.
2024-04-16 01:55:19	quarters	MacGyver, thanks for confirming though
2024-04-16 01:55:21	rcf	quarters: also to be clear, no filesystem were mounted of any sort, correct? 
2024-04-16 01:55:34	rcf	(on the drive to be cloned) 
2024-04-16 01:55:39	mpan	1) The way dd was used, which may introduce errors in the data. Which is a consequence of using dd, while other tools are much more straightforward and obvious. 2) A possibility that you try to operate on two drives, which have duplicated PARTUUIDs and FS UUIDs. 3) A possibility that you swapped source with the destination.
2024-04-16 01:55:58	mpan	And now, what rcf said, 4) that possibly a file system was mounted while you did that (on either drive).
2024-04-16 01:56:16	quarters	rcf, I don't recall. I don't think they were mounted during the dd run?
2024-04-16 01:56:36	quarters	I'll be open to the possibility that it was mounted though
2024-04-16 01:58:09	quarters	I didn't realize that cloning a drive verbatim would be this controversial or lengthy in discussion :)
2024-04-16 01:58:28	MacGyver	mpan: I have half a mind to replace the text under "Using dd" with "don't use dd"
2024-04-16 01:58:43	MacGyver	But that'll probably just get me banned from the wiki.
2024-04-16 01:59:22	mpan	MacGyver: I just gave up. :)
2024-04-16 02:00:54	mpan	quarters: if it was mounted, retry copying. because, in particular if the destination was mounted, it’s possible it has overwritten what you have copied.
2024-04-16 02:01:00	mpan	Uhh
2024-04-16 02:02:08	rcf	Also should have asked them about sector size. In userland we wouldn't notice, but the kernel will. 
2024-04-16 02:02:40	mpan	Would that affect copying, though? Even with dd?
2024-04-16 02:04:02	mpan	MacGyver: to play devil’s advocate, cp has downsides too. If the destination is not big enough, I’ve already seen it still trying to write for as long as it can read from source.
2024-04-16 02:04:35	mpan	As if it didn’t notice the destination can no longer accept dat.a
2024-04-16 02:04:57	MacGyver	mpan: I have never seen that behaviour.
2024-04-16 02:05:11	MacGyver	Unless there's an additional redirect into /dev/null through a tee or somesuch.
2024-04-16 02:05:34	mpan	I suspect I have seen that with copying from /dev/urandom. But can’t tell now. :/
2024-04-16 02:05:35	MacGyver	Still, in those cases the operation was going to fail to begin with.
2024-04-16 02:05:50	mpan	Yeah, certainly. But in a manner not obvious to the operator.
2024-04-16 02:06:36	mpan	I just note it’s not perfect. I still prefer it to dd. Not that I can’t use dd right. But the number of times it’s misused or the use is at least raising an eyebrow is so huge I can’t not 🤦.
2024-04-16 02:07:13	rcf	mpan: if you've got a true 4k drive, with corresponding logical block size, the partition table will be unusable. 
2024-04-16 02:07:27	rcf	If you move from the old 512 format. 
2024-04-16 02:07:42	mpan	Oooh, that! Right.
2024-04-16 02:07:56	mpan	Unfortunately they left.
2024-04-16 02:08:24	rcf	If I were to change the wiki, I'd probably just say "don't clone raw drives unless trying to recover data." 
2024-04-16 02:08:38	tirnanog	cp does not behave like that. it is a posix requirement that, if a write error occurs, it print a dignostic message and "do nothing more with source_file".
2024-04-16 02:08:56	mpan	tirnanog: I just say what I seen. I was expecting it to bail out too.
2024-04-16 02:09:31	mpan	tirnanog: but please not I indicated I play devil’s advocate here.
2024-04-16 02:09:41	mpan	ntoe *
2024-04-16 02:09:53	rcf	Depending your choice of sub-floppy-disk-speed flash media, you may have run into buffering issues instead. 
2024-04-16 02:11:28	rcf	This is a case where dd has the advantage in allowing you to force direct mode. It will not be faster, but it may actually finish. 
2024-04-16 02:11:39	MacGyver	rcf: People are going to want to do it though.
2024-04-16 02:11:47	mpan	rcf: if it doesn’t fail due to alignment errors. :3
2024-04-16 02:11:58	mpan	rcf: oflag=sync does the same, with no issues.
2024-04-16 02:15:10	tirnanog	mpan: I don't buy it. all implementations of cp(1) are expressly forbidden from behaving in the way that you claim and the coreutils developers are no dummies. the one thing the spec leaves undefined is whether an implementation is permitted to proceed to the next source file upon an error (which would only matter if more than two operands are given).
2024-04-16 02:15:46	rcf	MacGyver: people are going to want to do a lot of things they shouldn't, but sometimes it's nice to know what you actually need to do after trying the garden-variety solutions that should be promoted first. 
2024-04-16 02:15:55	rcf	MacGyver: see -Sy to fix the keyring for a prime example. 
2024-04-16 02:16:19	mpan	tirnanog: what is your goal? Because, if you prove my memory is wrong, you literally support my statement. :)
2024-04-16 02:17:03	tirnanog	to clarify the requirement for how that particular utility must behave upon a write error. that's all.
2024-04-16 02:17:49	tirnanog	(being full does raise ENOSPC for write(2))
2024-04-16 02:17:59	MacGyver	rcf: Yeah, but simply saying "Don't do it" isn't going to deter them.
2024-04-16 02:18:09	mpan	tirnanog: I know the theory. This is why I expected it to fail.
2024-04-16 02:20:57	mpan	rcf: MacGyver: I believe with `dd` the don’t isn’t going to help, because on the other end of the stick are decades(?) of lore which made an association between `dd` and disk operations.
2024-04-16 02:21:30	rcf	MacGyver: then they must learn the hard way. Which you will when cloning using any simple utility, regardless; we just saw someone swapping the order around between two commands. 
2024-04-16 02:23:03	⚡ 	edu4rdshl discovered that a new flame war can be made asking if `dd` or `cp`
2024-04-16 02:23:27	mpan	From my talking with people, they often act as if `dd` had some “disk magic” inside and not that the “magic” is in fact in the kernel and works for any tools. `dd` may have some options, which may not be settable with other tools, but not the basic copying.
2024-04-16 02:23:43	rcf	mpan: it is complicated historically by the existence of disks as character devices. 
2024-04-16 02:24:20	mpan	Yes, but not nowadays.
2024-04-16 02:24:36	rcf	Except on FreeBSD, of course, where the user quickly learns that dd is magic. 
2024-04-16 02:26:42	MacGyver	mpan: Well. I made an attempt and we'll see whether this gets my wiki edit privileges revoked.
2024-04-16 02:26:49	rcf	\o/
2024-04-16 02:29:05	rsaavedra	I am about to run `fwupdmgr update` for the first time. Any recommendations? I am scared of breaking my system.
2024-04-16 02:30:00	MacGyver	rsaavedra: Google your device's name between quotes (so it *must* be included in the results) and 'linux firmware update' (without quotes)
2024-04-16 02:30:05	edu4rdshl	Have you even checked that you have devices compatible with `fwupdmgr`?
2024-04-16 02:31:01	⚡ 	rcf will never forgive Toshiba for disabling AMD-V without documentation in a firmware update.
2024-04-16 02:31:47	rsaavedra	edu4rdshl: It is a lenovo t480 so it is compatible
2024-04-16 02:33:32	rsaavedra	Psi-Jack: `fwupdmgr get-updates` shows a big list, only non-available updates are "Devices with no available firmware updates: • MZ9LQ512HBLU-00B00 • UEFI Device Firmware"
2024-04-16 02:34:25	rcf	That takes out the biggest risk, actually. 
2024-04-16 02:35:12	rsaavedra	rcf: is it the UEFI firmware?
2024-04-16 02:36:00	rsaavedra	below it shows me updates for "UEFI dbx"
2024-04-16 02:36:24	rsaavedra	and also an entry with " Summary:            UEFI System Resource Table device (updated via NVRAM)"
2024-04-16 02:42:18	MacGyver	This channel had a discussion about that?
2024-04-16 02:45:44	mefistofeles	I doubt it, but maybe
2024-04-16 02:55:49	mpan	greentail: is Arch website not working rn?
2024-04-16 02:56:20	gaku	greentail: https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/wishlist/vuln-p521-bias.html not yet on archlinux.org will probably be soon™
2024-04-16 02:56:21	phrik	Title: PuTTY vulnerability vuln-p521-bias (at www.chiark.greenend.org.uk)
2024-04-16 02:56:44	gaku	but this seems quite specific, check if you ever used that type of key
2024-04-16 02:56:53	tirnanog	greentail: it's at 0.81-1. presumably it should hit the mirrors soon.
2024-04-16 02:59:27	jenia2	Hello
2024-04-16 02:59:34	jenia2	Does anyone here use dwm?
2024-04-16 02:59:46	edu4rdshl	No, good night
2024-04-16 02:59:50	edu4rdshl	!anyone
2024-04-16 02:59:51	phrik	Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2024-04-16 03:00:34	jenia2	because I'm wondering if it's still in use. I'd like to find a modern tiling window manager.
2024-04-16 03:00:59	gaku	jenia2: depends, u have a nvidia card?
2024-04-16 03:01:06	jenia2	yes
2024-04-16 03:01:17	gaku	assuming you're stuck on xorg, perhaps i3?
2024-04-16 03:01:25	edu4rdshl	"modern window manager" is kinda... 
2024-04-16 03:01:27	jenia2	why stuck?
2024-04-16 03:01:30	gaku	if you ever managed to go wayland, sway
2024-04-16 03:01:38	gaku	jenia2: nvidia likes exploding on wayland
2024-04-16 03:01:38	jenia2	I use wayland
2024-04-16 03:02:02	jenia2	gaku: what does sway mean in this context?
2024-04-16 03:02:04	gaku	if you are unlucky, all sorts of shenanigans may happen, or not
2024-04-16 03:02:09	gaku	?pkgfile sway
2024-04-16 03:02:10	@EMIYA	gaku: extra/sway 1:1.9-3 (/usr/bin/sway, /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/sway)
2024-04-16 03:02:19	gaku	!w sway
2024-04-16 03:02:21	phrik	gaku: Microsoft Sway - Wikipedia - Microsoft Sway is a presentation program and is part of the Microsoft 365 family of products. Sway was offered for general release by Microsoft in August 2015. It allows users who have a Microsoft account to combine text and media to create a presentable website. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Sway>, Sway - Wikipedia - Sway, one of the linear degrees
2024-04-16 03:02:21	phrik	of freedom in engineering. Sway  (3 more messages)
2024-04-16 03:02:24	gaku	ergh
2024-04-16 03:02:27	gaku	!aw sway
2024-04-16 03:02:29	phrik	gaku: Sway - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Sway
2024-04-16 03:03:17	jenia2	ok. nice thanks!!
2024-04-16 03:03:26	edu4rdshl	There's a thing called "hyprland" which claims to be "modern"
2024-04-16 03:03:28	jenia2	I don't have an nvidia card on my laptop
2024-04-16 03:03:28	jenia2	:(
2024-04-16 03:03:36	jenia2	Will i3 and sway work?
2024-04-16 03:03:44	edu4rdshl	Sure
2024-04-16 03:04:28	jenia2	nice. Thanks kindly!!
2024-04-16 03:04:54	edu4rdshl	Read the wiki page linked
2024-04-16 03:05:18	fenugrec	nis p251, isn't that the elliptic curve of... "questionable" origin
2024-04-16 03:18:18	rcf	Also try to be compatible as far as IPC is concerned as much as possible. 
2024-04-16 03:18:33	rcf	And config file format. 
2024-04-16 04:47:09	espresso	of course the HD should not be a bottleneck until reaching much higher speeds..
2024-04-16 04:47:22	rcf	Psi-Jack: almost sounds like a network speed issue 
2024-04-16 04:48:19	Parad1gmSh1ft	Or a had issue lol
2024-04-16 04:48:37	Parad1gmSh1ft	=hdd
2024-04-16 04:51:15	rcf	Psi-Jack: I'd definitely check with something like iperf, just to rule it out completely 
2024-04-16 04:51:18	Parad1gmSh1ft	I only get around 35MB/s with nvme on my network so sounds about right
2024-04-16 04:51:51	Parad1gmSh1ft	That's SMB as well
2024-04-16 04:54:18	rcf	Psi-Jack: just because I recently had to replace a switch that caused issues like this. Link was gigabit, but it was just bungling the actual switching so badly that it was effectively 100 
2024-04-16 04:54:48	rcf	You would need it on both sides, yes. 
2024-04-16 04:54:54	espresso	maybe mtr can reveal something. it revealed when I misconfigured my firewall..
2024-04-16 05:01:14	rcf	Aha
2024-04-16 05:02:14	rcf	Psi-Jack: also if you get a shell you can do 'synogear install' apparently and get iperf3 among other diagnostics 
2024-04-16 05:05:47	rcf	Excellent 
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2024-04-17 18:57:07	demonicmaniac1	wyrmling: chazy: since some time mpv has ctrl+h as shortcut to toggle hw accel on/off at runtime so you don't have to run with --hwdec - tho terminal output ofc would give more info. firefox also has a media/hwdec page which lists whether it can hwdec and which codecs it supports
2024-04-17 18:57:32	demonicmaniac1	then ofc there's simply vainfo to check for vaapi support unless this is nvidia 
2024-04-17 18:58:58	Tom^	demonicmaniac1: https://github.com/elFarto/nvidia-vaapi-driver
2024-04-17 18:59:02	Tom^	demonicmaniac1: :>
2024-04-17 19:00:11	Tom^	but its often pointless, your cpu chugs that video just fine at a lower power cost then running that on your nvidia gpu at max clocks burning away 100w lol
2024-04-17 19:00:20	Tom^	something something cudablabla forcing it to highest pstates
2024-04-17 19:02:28	wyrmling	wyrmling: WeeChat, running in tmux on a VPS in leu of a bouncer.
2024-04-17 19:02:53	Tom^	https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/nvdec-forces-gpu-into-p2-cuda-state-much-higher-power-consumption-than-with-vdpau/55466
2024-04-17 19:02:54	phrik	Title: NVDEC forces GPU into P2 CUDA state -> much higher power consumption than with VDPAU - Linux - NVIDIA Developer Forums (at forums.developer.nvidia.com)
2024-04-17 19:04:55	wyrmling	demonicmaniac1: I was asking since mpv as an outlier in functionioning as it should. It sounded like chazy might have issues with hwaccel system-wide which may be what's causing the issues with other apps
2024-04-17 19:05:37	chazy	wyrmling: when switching with ctrl-h i can see 2 yuv420p and vaapi
2024-04-17 19:06:06	chazy	no idea but media seems not to playback on some apps
2024-04-17 19:06:25	wyrmling	chazy: is media playback *currently* busted on your current boot?
2024-04-17 19:06:35	wyrmling	-in the other apps, that is
2024-04-17 19:06:44	chazy	wyrmling: for firefox it is, mpv works fine
2024-04-17 19:07:20	chazy	 can see the current frame and click on the duration bar and it changes frames but it doesn't playback, same for audio
2024-04-17 19:08:47	chazy	the about:support page in firefox shows some of the codecs are avaiable only through software decoding, except h264 and vp9 which also have hardware decoding supported
2024-04-17 19:09:14	chazy	and for some reason HEVC is unsupported
2024-04-17 19:09:36	wyrmling	chazy: Have you tried undoing what you did to enable hardware-acceleration on firefox to see if that reverts your issues?
2024-04-17 19:10:28	chazy	i removed the ~/.mozilla path and that didn't fix it, i tried enabling some options in about:config again but it's the same
2024-04-17 19:11:47	chazy	i keep seeing blocklisted; errors in the about:support page like: FEATURE_FAILURE_DISABLED, FEATURE_FAILURE_WEBRENDER_COMPOSITOR_DISABLED,  FEATURE_FAILURE_DISABLE_RELEASE_OR_BETA, Blocklisted; failure code FEATURE_FAILURE_NO_GPU_PROCESS and some more
2024-04-17 19:13:34	chazy	even though i looked for those options in about:config and (force) enabled them but they don't seem to do anything 
2024-04-17 19:37:07	demonicmaniac1	chazy: sounds weird - does the about support page say general hw acceleration - not decode, just gpu acceleration - to exist or not?
2024-04-17 19:41:50	chazy	demonicmaniac1: i don't see it anywhere https://gist.github.com/ChazyTheBest/672ae0433333726b834a34057be0198a
2024-04-17 19:42:06	chazy	just some webgl extensions have gpu in it
2024-04-17 19:45:57	xx	does mkwinpeimg even work? I wanted to test it by creating an .iso but it doesn't boot up in qemu
2024-04-17 19:46:57	xx	nevermind, windows pe doesn't support UEFI
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2024-04-17 20:56:22	Namarrgon	Depending on how central that feature is to the functionality of the ebooks-tools "zip" should be either an opt-dep or a proper dep.
2024-04-17 20:56:58	noobaroo	Seems it's essential
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2024-04-17 20:57:27	noobaroo	But it looks like it can't convert txt files :(
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2024-04-17 20:58:35	Namarrgon	a *nix tool that can't handle plain text?
2024-04-17 20:58:59	demonicmaniac1	ebook-tools is JUST lit2epub
2024-04-17 20:59:11	noobaroo	I converted a .txt file to the .okular format with Okular and it's about 1/3rd of original file size which is pretty neat, but I can't change font size it seems
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2024-04-17 21:00:34	noobaroo	Do you guys know the best format to convert txt files to for literature purposes? I was thinking maybe I could just keep them as txt files but turn on some read-only mode in my text editor
2024-04-17 21:00:37	demonicmaniac1	and lit2epub is just bash
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2024-04-17 21:02:04	demonicmaniac1	and yes the shell script does check for zip binary
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2024-04-17 21:02:28	demonicmaniac1	so it is a packaging bug imho if you want to use lit2epub and not just convertlit to simply convert a lit to opf
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2024-04-17 21:03:25	noobaroo	What even is a "lit" file o.O
2024-04-17 21:04:17	demonicmaniac1	microsoft .lit is a proprietary microsoft drm format for ebooks
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2024-04-17 21:05:27	demonicmaniac1	tl;dr einfo from ebook-tools does not need zip binary, lit2epub does
2024-04-17 21:05:47	demonicmaniac1	so zip should at least be an opt-dep if you do ship lit2epub with it
2024-04-17 21:05:54	necercis	lit is ancient 
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2024-04-17 21:06:33	demonicmaniac1	or patch lit2epub to make use of something else that can create zip files
2024-04-17 21:06:34	susi-	I keep my text files as ASCII text; the real literature ain't produced by me, so they are usually pdfs
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2024-04-17 21:07:37	demonicmaniac1	noobaroo: lit/epub etc are essentially just html files with css packed in a zip with optional drm and what not features in them
2024-04-17 21:07:59	demonicmaniac1	vs pdf being vector formats rendered
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2024-04-17 21:14:33	noobaroo	demonicmaniac1 Do you use Okular? If so, do you know if it's possible to change font size in a .okular file
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2024-04-17 21:15:02	demonicmaniac1	no i don't i thought okular was just a pdf viewer
2024-04-17 21:15:12	noobaroo	Or do you know of another format that I can convert txt to for easy read-only purposes that is preferably smaller than plain text 
2024-04-17 21:15:30	MacGyver	teraflops: Oof, that issue. Note that even if the proposed workaround does prevent the system from locking up, you may want to reboot the system whenever it *would* have run the udevadm trigger.
2024-04-17 21:16:09	teraflops	MacGyver: first I apologize for being unkind
2024-04-17 21:16:19	teraflops	MacGyver: it just hangs I cannot do anything
2024-04-17 21:16:21	demonicmaniac1	depends what you want to read it on. pretty much every browser has at least gzip support i guess zstd is only chrome as of yet
2024-04-17 21:16:22	MacGyver	teraflops: And I could've been more patient.
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2024-04-17 21:16:32	teraflops	lets see if the workaround works
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2024-04-17 21:16:55	demonicmaniac1	so they should be able to open any gzipped textfile and display which is just as small as epub then or even smaller since no css/html formatting overhead
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2024-04-17 21:17:01	MacGyver	teraflops: So apologies as well -- usually the answer from someone coming in like that to all of those questions is "no" but you've been around long enough I should know better.
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2024-04-17 21:17:07	noobaroo	demonicmaniac1 So just do myfile.txt.gz ? 
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2024-04-17 21:53:09	TheSilent	I have just installed nheko from the official repo and it says one of the optional dependencies is qt-jdenticon but I can't find this package anywhere. Is the arch repo now listing AUR packages as dependencies?
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2024-04-17 21:57:02	Warepire	TheSilentLink: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/qt-jdenticon Don't ask me why it's in AUR though.
2024-04-17 21:57:10	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - qt-jdenticon (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-17 22:01:16	evilop	Psi-Jack: aur helpers or scripts that calls sudo that you forget about is the usual reason
2024-04-17 22:01:37	evilop	timeouts counts as failed logins
2024-04-17 22:01:50	evilop	you can check the audit log
2024-04-17 22:02:51	evilop	it goes into journald
2024-04-17 22:03:05	evilop	(unless you set up syslog for it)
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2024-04-18 11:15:39	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-18 11:15:39	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1437 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1436 regular)
2024-04-18 01:35:38	tirnanog	you're in the group right now? (just checking)
2024-04-18 01:35:47	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] sudoers NOPASSWD problems / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-04-18 01:36:32	tirnanog	ok, this rings a bell.
2024-04-18 01:36:48	RealMrCactus	last night i was installing arch with limine and copied my config from my old installation and forgot to set the root uuid and spent 2 hrs figuring that out then spent another 5 hours realizing i did the boot uuid not root
2024-04-18 01:36:50	tirnanog	I remember talking about this in #linux once; trying to remember what I said. lol.
2024-04-18 01:37:53	tirnanog	it does, that's the thing. I wish I'd saved that conversation.
2024-04-18 01:37:59	tirnanog	depending on the contents, of course.
2024-04-18 01:38:24	tirnanog	Psi-Jack: I'll comment again if I remember the exact nuance :S
2024-04-18 01:39:09	tirnanog	ah, here we go.
2024-04-18 01:40:22	tirnanog	LESS='+/^SUDOERS FILE' man 5 sudoers: "When  multiple  entries  match  for  a  user, they are applied in order.  Where there are multiple matches, the last match is used (which is not necessarily the most specific match)" (!)
2024-04-18 01:40:38	tirnanog	that's exactly what I was talking about now. it is now flooding back in a moment of crystal clarity.
2024-04-18 01:40:44	tirnanog	then, even.
2024-04-18 01:41:28	tirnanog	Psi-Jack: yeah, look into that. I'm pretty sure it's to do with this.
2024-04-18 01:42:08	tirnanog	I don't rembember what the person's policy was now, but I remember it flummoxed us both for a while before the penny dropped.
2024-04-18 01:42:22	⚡ 	virtualsid takes a mental note
2024-04-18 01:42:43	MacGyver	Jesus this shit costs *nothing* anymore.
2024-04-18 01:42:58	MacGyver	2TB NVMe SSDs for a hundred bucks.
2024-04-18 01:43:19	virtualsid	I'm with NetSysFire :P
2024-04-18 01:43:46	MacGyver	Historical context: When I bought my first SSD it was 256GB for about as many bucks.
2024-04-18 01:43:58	MacGyver	Or maybe 128.
2024-04-18 01:44:53	tirnanog	Psi-Jack: presumably that last-matching rule wasn't specific as to the commands it could match.
2024-04-18 01:44:53	MacGyver	I'm in academia, I *choose* to get paid a fraction of what I would be worth to a tech company :P
2024-04-18 01:45:09	tirnanog	Psi-Jack: or the opposite even.
2024-04-18 01:45:44	Web_Anon	What IRC clients would you all recommend to switch to?
2024-04-18 01:45:48	Web_Anon	Hexchat?
2024-04-18 01:45:54	Batzy	MacGyver: what do you do in academia?
2024-04-18 01:45:58	Web_Anon	Konversation?
2024-04-18 01:46:35	virtualsid	Web_Anon: what are you using now, and what makes you unhappy with it?
2024-04-18 01:46:39	mpan	Web_Anon: test a few and choose one that fits *your* needs. Nobody can tell, what you will fee comfortable with.
2024-04-18 01:46:45	MacGyver	Batzy: Teaching.
2024-04-18 01:47:01	Batzy	research? O_o
2024-04-18 01:47:10	Web_Anon	web.libera.chat
2024-04-18 01:47:10	greyltc	!give Web_Anon poll
2024-04-18 01:47:11	phrik	Web_Anon: Compensation for channel surveys is accepted in Dogecoins, Simoleons, and Kongbucks.
2024-04-18 01:47:13	Web_Anon	I'm on mobile
2024-04-18 01:47:14	MacGyver	Batzy: No, I begged out of that after getting my PhD.
2024-04-18 01:47:31	Batzy	why would you choose academia then? I'm just curious, as a current phd student
2024-04-18 01:47:39	virtualsid	If you're using mobile, then I've heard that The Lounge is pretty good, Web_Anon.
2024-04-18 01:47:43	Batzy	and what was the phd in? I guess cs if you're discussing tech companies being an option
2024-04-18 01:47:47	MacGyver	Batzy: I'm one of the weirdos who finds that they like teaching a *lot* more than research.
2024-04-18 01:47:57	Web_Anon	does the lounge have an apk?
2024-04-18 01:48:08	Batzy	I see, i think at my uni there are not many professors who are paid to just teach
2024-04-18 01:48:13	MacGyver	Batzy: And apparently I was that good at it that I got offered a fulltime teaching position, which is pretty much unheard of in the Netherlands.
2024-04-18 01:48:15	BoBeR182	Hexchat is not getting more updates
2024-04-18 01:48:18	BoBeR182	I would avoid it
2024-04-18 01:48:20	Batzy	they usually have a research expectation
2024-04-18 01:48:28	greyltc	MacGyver: yeah, you're weird :-P
2024-04-18 01:48:33	Batzy	I see, I am in the US so. MacGyver what was the phd in?
2024-04-18 01:48:59	MacGyver	Batzy: Like you said, CS. Specifically the security and privacy issues in modern electrical infrastructure.
2024-04-18 01:49:19	greyltc	Batzy: I don't like making money for the man and academia seems like an alright alternative to that
2024-04-18 01:49:28	Web_Anon	I'm on Android. Currently using web.libera to connect
2024-04-18 01:49:36	virtualsid	or the lack of, MacGyver? :-D
2024-04-18 01:49:48	Web_Anon	I was using IRSSI via termux earlier but it was a pain to use
2024-04-18 01:49:50	MacGyver	virtualsid: No shortage of security and privacy issues :P
2024-04-18 01:50:05	virtualsid	I missed 'issues', dammit.
2024-04-18 01:50:18	demonicmaniac1	hrm mpv/yt-dlp throwing 500s and not fetching video beyond a few minutes, audio still working fine, i assume it's something to do with youtube going hardcore against adblockers and yt-dl stuff
2024-04-18 01:50:20	Batzy	yeah im currently a cs theorist and im working in quantum compilation right now
2024-04-18 01:50:43	Batzy	completely unsure what to do after phd, i think postdoc life sounds absolutely horrible
2024-04-18 01:50:48	virtualsid	Web_Anon: if you're going to be on mobile, then I believe the lounge just is a web UI that works well on mobile. I've never used it. You'd have to install The Lounge on a 'server' (which could just be your home machine)
2024-04-18 01:50:48	MacGyver	Ah, then you've probably encountered work from some ex-colleagues of mine.
2024-04-18 01:51:04	Batzy	You can try naming the more famous ones, I might know them
2024-04-18 01:51:43	Web_Anon	Oooh thanks gonna check that out
2024-04-18 01:52:14	MacGyver	I'd prefer not to go into details in a public channel -- suffice to say that people from that quantum group went on to go work for, among others, banks, cloudflare, post-quantum crypto research companies, and universities.
2024-04-18 01:52:39	greyltc	Batzy: well if you want to stay in academia, you kinda have to do a postdoc
2024-04-18 01:52:41	MacGyver	So even though "theoretical compsci specializing in quantum compilation" might sound *highly* specific, trust me there's enough outside of academia.
2024-04-18 01:52:45	virtualsid	personally, i use irssi, and I do not chat on mobile. IRC on laptop/desktop is addiction enough - I don't need it on mobile too ;)
2024-04-18 01:52:58	MacGyver	But maybe we should take this to #archlinux-offtopic if you want to discuss further.
2024-04-18 01:53:05	Batzy	MacGyver: that's good to hear
2024-04-18 01:53:09	MacGyver	And maybe I should go to bed instead of discussing further :P
2024-04-18 01:53:16	virtualsid	lol
2024-04-18 01:53:22	Batzy	that's fine, im busy with research activities anyway
2024-04-18 01:53:22	Batzy	:)
2024-04-18 01:53:39	MacGyver	> research activities  > IRC
2024-04-18 01:53:41	MacGyver	Yep.
2024-04-18 01:53:43	MacGyver	That's academia :)
2024-04-18 01:54:00	Batzy	it's the fact that I don't mind not being in academia along with the fact that it's torturous by all accounts
2024-04-18 01:54:15	Batzy	i think id be plenty happy doing an R&D type role but also getting paid for it
2024-04-18 01:55:41	demonicmaniac1	MacGyver: there's also technically the thing that if you get a professorship position you are essentially set for life - nl does give you a pension if you make it to professorship like germany right?
2024-04-18 01:56:05	demonicmaniac1	r&d in academia tends to be limited contracts and kind of waiting on grants
2024-04-18 01:56:07	Batzy	that's true at most places, but getting there is a pretty stressful and difficult journey
2024-04-18 01:56:43	Batzy	just doing the phd i am more stressed out than i've ever been, i dont know if I want to keep adding onto that
2024-04-18 01:56:53	MacGyver	demonicmaniac1: It's a *bit* more complicated than that
2024-04-18 01:57:02	MacGyver	demonicmaniac1: Academic rank is not linked to pensions.
2024-04-18 01:57:07	MacGyver	demonicmaniac1: Salary, is.
2024-04-18 01:58:03	MacGyver	demonicmaniac1: E.g. I'm on a permanent "lecturer" contract (lector, if you will, but that has different meaning here), and I have the same pension rights as an associate professor.
2024-04-18 01:58:09	demonicmaniac1	maybe lost in translation - in germany at least if you get a professorship/become chair at a uni which is obviously very difficult to achieve - you do get a pension
2024-04-18 01:58:29	MacGyver	Yeah so what I'm saying, our collective labour agreement does not have this.
2024-04-18 01:58:36	demonicmaniac1	hmhm
2024-04-18 01:58:42	MacGyver	The pensions are arranged for *all* staff, not just full professors.
2024-04-18 01:58:50	Batzy	wait... you want to have the same pension as an associate prof?
2024-04-18 01:58:57	Batzy	i thought associate prof was not ideal whatsoever
2024-04-18 01:59:05	MacGyver	Batzy: I'm in the same salary scale in the collective labour agreement.
2024-04-18 01:59:39	MacGyver	Batzy: Keep in mind, labour rights in- and outside of academia vary *wildly* per country.
2024-04-18 02:00:11	MacGyver	Batzy: And the pay isn't *bad* -- it's just not nearly as much as I could be making in industry.
2024-04-18 02:00:37	Batzy	yeah but how would you even get promoted?
2024-04-18 02:00:49	Batzy	as i understood it no one wants to sit at associate prof rank forever
2024-04-18 02:01:27	MacGyver	Our ranks in increasing order (above postdoc) go assistant 2, assistant 1, associate 2, associate 1, full 2, full 1.
2024-04-18 02:01:36	MacGyver	As a lecturer, I can get as high as associate 1.
2024-04-18 02:01:44	MacGyver	Beyond that... well let's say there's room to negotiate.
2024-04-18 02:02:03	⚡ 	gromit shows people the way to #archlinux-offtopic
2024-04-18 02:02:13	MacGyver	Oh yeah sorry I thought we'd switched already >.<
2024-04-18 02:02:22	bswartz	Yeah this discussion doesn't belong in this channel
2024-04-18 02:02:51	MacGyver	Yep. Got the highlight, didn't realize we were still in here.
2024-04-18 02:03:05	andril	mpan: NetSysFire Scimmia thank you all i fixed it
2024-04-18 02:03:09	MacGyver	demonicmaniac1, Batzy: So, join the offtopic channel if you want to discuss further :P
2024-04-18 02:03:29	mpan	andril: what was the cause?
2024-04-18 02:03:38	RealMrCactus	hmm
2024-04-18 02:04:17	andril	protonvpn 🤦🏿‍♂️
2024-04-18 02:04:34	ian|	hello. i've been using 'pacman -Rsn ___' for years to remove packages. i was wondering if -n (--nosave) has any real world effect?
2024-04-18 02:04:46	mpan	andril: xD
2024-04-18 02:04:53	andril	it seems to blocked the connection but once i enabled it the updates started to flow
2024-04-18 02:04:56	mpan	ian|: yes
2024-04-18 02:06:15	ian|	i figure that only true package files (not created through execution) are considered with .pacsave
2024-04-18 02:06:23	ian|	so that'd be things in /etc/ ?
2024-04-18 02:06:37	mpan	ian|: any file listed in the backup array.
2024-04-18 02:07:40	ian|	right which is mostly /etc/* according to the wiki
2024-04-18 02:07:50	ian|	ok
2024-04-18 02:07:59	mpan	Depends. Usually.
2024-04-18 02:08:10	mpan	You may use `pacman -Sii PKGNAME` to get the list.
2024-04-18 02:09:02	mpan	Erm, -Qii
2024-04-18 02:10:13	demonicmaniac1	jesus christ - going back to yt-dlp-git - 230 haskell packages build dep :D
2024-04-18 02:16:04	ian|	if a backup file is unmodified no .pacsave is created?
2024-04-18 02:17:16	ian|	"... user-modified files will be preserved as file.pacsave unless the package was removed with the pacman -Rn ..."
2024-04-18 02:31:12	Scimmia	ian|: correct
2024-04-18 03:18:40	Dworin	demonicmaniac1: the dependencies are for pandoc actually. You can install pandoc-bin if you don't care to have that many haskell packages.
2024-04-18 04:01:27	Namarrgon	documentation is bloat
2024-04-18 04:03:32	Namarrgon	noobaroo: Did you report the missing dependency?
2024-04-18 04:17:01	noobaroo	Namarrgon I will try and see if I can figure out how :) its cool to get involved in Arch 
2024-04-18 04:19:01	noobaroo	Namarrgon I have an archlinux.org account but I think I need a gitlab account to report a bug for the package, and it says registrations are disabled due to spam
2024-04-18 04:19:02	red_man	hi all
2024-04-18 04:19:12	galegovski	hi
2024-04-18 04:19:13	noobaroo	Hi red_man
2024-04-18 04:19:33	red_man	howit
2024-04-18 04:19:45	Namarrgon	noobaroo: what do you mean by "archlinux.org account"? An arch-tester account?
2024-04-18 04:22:55	noobaroo	an account for the forums Namarrgon
2024-04-18 04:23:11	Namarrgon	Ah, yes, then you need a new one for gitlab.
2024-04-18 04:26:29	noobaroo	I emailed to try to get an account made
2024-04-18 06:15:49	espresso	noobaroo: hopefully your account will be approved soon. I don't know if #archlinux-devops is tasked with assisting there, but someone probably does.
2024-04-18 06:50:11	noobaroo	espresso you aren't in the channel
2024-04-18 06:55:38	espresso	noobaroo: that's true, I just remembered it exists
2024-04-18 08:28:21	SatoruGojo	is there anyway to get archlinux repo packages shown in gnome software?
2024-04-18 08:29:27	grawity	in theory, installing PackageKit should do that
2024-04-18 08:29:38	SatoruGojo	did not work
2024-04-18 08:29:45	grawity	in practice, I remember packagekit's pacman integration (and any non-redhat-stuff integration) being meh
2024-04-18 08:30:26	SatoruGojo	so no?
2024-04-18 08:31:03	Tom^	in the past packagekit led to partial updates and remaining pacman .lock files
2024-04-18 08:31:09	Tom^	but it might have gotten better? :p
2024-04-18 08:31:56	SatoruGojo	did i miss something?
2024-04-18 08:32:22	SatoruGojo	hello?
2024-04-18 08:33:27	espresso	SatoruGojo: you may have only missed some of <Tom^> in the past packagekit led to partial updates and remaining pacman .lock files <Tom^> but it might have gotten better? :p
2024-04-18 08:34:05	SatoruGojo	if gnome software does not work great then what should i use that does not look bad in terms of looks?
2024-04-18 08:35:43	SatoruGojo	?
2024-04-18 08:38:34	SatoruGojo	gnome-software-packagekit-plugin is not in the repo and i don't want to compile from aur
2024-04-18 08:42:07	grawity	I just treat gnome-software as the flatpak app store
2024-04-18 08:42:30	grawity	that's what it's designed for and it does that reasonably well
2024-04-18 08:43:36	SatoruGojo	i don't want to use flatpak all i want is a good search engine for searching new packages i think pamac will do the job
2024-04-18 08:43:46	Strykar	jesus
2024-04-18 08:43:59	grawity	probably a better one tbh if it's tailored towards pacman
2024-04-18 08:45:45	Tom^	SatoruGojo: you could use the terminal :p
2024-04-18 08:46:10	SatoruGojo	you know what i will just use gnome software with flatpak because most flaptak are in the repo
2024-04-18 08:46:24	SatoruGojo	Tom^ you don't understand the point
2024-04-18 08:46:53	Tom^	probably not
2024-04-18 08:47:48	grawity	tbh there's a big difference between "apt install the specific thing you want" and "browse around in Synaptic to find weird stuff that you didn't even know exists"
2024-04-18 08:48:07	SatoruGojo	like i said i want a search engine to search for new packages and explore new software
2024-04-18 09:12:35	evilop	too bad the alpm packagekit backend died
2024-04-18 10:07:10	lassebq	is it true that Arch linux used to package DRI mesa drivers in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri at some point? Was that's encouraged by upstream mesa?
2024-04-18 10:08:23	lassebq	Now it's in /usr/lib/dri, which makes sense, since it isn't specific to xorg and is used by wayland too
2024-04-18 10:08:29	grawity	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/mesa/-/commit/4f2962e6f64dca919e69d30f5f426f3b16ff69e2
2024-04-18 10:08:30	phrik	Title: drop historical Arch dri module path - use upstream default path - FS#56847 (4f2962e6) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / mesa · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-18 10:08:45	grawity	FS#56847 being https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/56847.html
2024-04-18 10:08:46	phrik	Title: FS#56847 : [mesa] Move DRI modules outside of /usr/lib/xorg (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2024-04-18 10:09:11	grawity	which itself refers to upstream doing the same https://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/configure.ac?id=5dbbde5b222204fa8dfc086b88a8105516f7d727
2024-04-18 10:09:13	phrik	Title: Default DRI driver directory to match X.Org xserver - mesa/mesa - The Mesa 3D Graphics Library (mirrored from https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa) (at cgit.freedesktop.org)
2024-04-18 10:11:04	lassebq	Right. I see. What was the initial idea of using that path?
2024-04-18 10:11:35	lassebq	The issue mentions that upstream used /usr/lib/dri
2024-04-18 10:11:39	lassebq	was it always like that?
2024-04-18 10:17:14	grawity	no, see the mesa git link
2024-04-18 10:18:38	astralc	because everybody stopped using xf86?
2024-04-18 10:19:13	lassebq	grawity: Ok, I missed your link, now I see
2024-04-18 10:22:57	grawity	according to Xorg git, the /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri path was used by the original DRI implementation in 2001, that was contributed by "VA Linux Systems"
2024-04-18 10:23:14	grawity	which made sense at the time because it *very* predated Wayland
2024-04-18 10:24:47	grawity	https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/blob/9508a382f8a9f241dab097d921b6d290c1c3a776/hw/xfree86/doc/README.DRI
2024-04-18 10:24:50	phrik	Title: hw/xfree86/doc/README.DRI · 9508a382f8a9f241dab097d921b6d290c1c3a776 · xorg / xserver · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2024-04-18 10:41:05	novns	there should be a warning somewhere
2024-04-18 10:41:31	novns	if you use Gnome/Wayland remove all  Option "XkbLayout"  Xorg leftovers 
2024-04-18 10:42:17	novns	because old X keyboard layouts do weird damage to keyscans in Wayland apps
2024-04-18 10:42:54	novns	ctrl + ] becomes 'ъ'
2024-04-18 10:43:02	novns	for no reason
2024-04-18 10:43:33	novns	ctrl+/ becomes .
2024-04-18 10:43:50	Khorne	novns, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNOME/Troubleshooting#GNOME_Shell_keyboard_sources_menu_not_visible
2024-04-18 10:43:51	phrik	Title: GNOME/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-18 10:43:52	Khorne	Gnome sucks
2024-04-18 10:43:54	Khorne	yw
2024-04-18 10:44:23	novns	Khorne, this is irrelevant
2024-04-18 10:45:03	novns	menu works, layouts can switch without problems
2024-04-18 10:45:30	novns	but some shortcuts are damaged
2024-04-18 10:45:30	Khorne	novns, please read The Texttm
2024-04-18 10:45:43	Khorne	> If the keyboard sources menu is not visible, this is probably because you have configured your Xorg keyboard layout in a way which GNOME does not recognise. 
2024-04-18 10:46:12	Khorne	But also it's a wiki where you can add whatever content you want
2024-04-18 10:46:20	Khorne	re: there should be a warning
2024-04-18 10:46:26	novns	Khorne, did you read what I have typed?  it is visible, this is not the problem
2024-04-18 10:46:53	Khorne	The problem is that Gnome doesn't work with some ways keyboard configuration can happen
2024-04-18 10:46:57	novns	the problem is not with some invisible menu but wrong keyscans
2024-04-18 10:47:08	Khorne	Ok
2024-04-18 10:47:22	Khorne	That has nothing to do with keyboard configuration of course.
2024-04-18 10:47:26	Khorne	Good to know
2024-04-18 10:47:27	novns	and it's possibly not Gnome only but Wayland
2024-04-18 10:47:37	Khorne	Have you confirmed that?
2024-04-18 10:47:49	Khorne	It's possibly your keyboard thats broken
2024-04-18 10:48:06	novns	Khorne, you are trolling.  bye
2024-04-18 10:49:35	Khorne	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2024-04-18 10:50:22	Khorne	If you're failing to see how a documented issue of Gnome failing to work properly with direct keyboard configuration is likely related to other issues of keyboard input I can't really help you
2024-04-18 11:01:22	novns	I've just checked with another Wayland compositor - Hyprland
2024-04-18 11:01:26	novns	the same problem
2024-04-18 11:01:40	novns	so it's not Gnome's fault
2024-04-18 11:03:10	novns	Khorne, you cannot help me because you just want to blame Gnome, and you are trolling
2024-04-18 11:08:35	aequilibrium	Good morning/ evening people, I was wondering if someone knows how to trigger screen turn on event for kde plasma power managment settings, I have an ssh terminal, and rustdesk running on remote machine, but it won't connect since the screen is off.
2024-04-18 11:09:51	novns	aequilibrium, is it just the screen is off and not the whole systems sleeping?
2024-04-18 11:10:10	aequilibrium	Yep
2024-04-18 11:10:12	novns	*system
2024-04-18 11:10:22	aequilibrium	I got an ssh connection
2024-04-18 11:11:09	aequilibrium	novns: I tried emulating mouse movements with evdev but evdevtools is deb/rpm only and debtap created conflicting packages
2024-04-18 11:11:49	novns	aequilibrium, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Display_Power_Management_Signaling#Runtime_settings
2024-04-18 11:11:50	phrik	Title: Display Power Management Signaling - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-18 11:11:52	novns	if you use X
2024-04-18 11:12:14	aequilibrium	Will it work, I don't remember if the running session is wayland or xorg
2024-04-18 11:12:20	aequilibrium	rite
2024-04-18 11:12:58	aequilibrium	novns: is that the dpms one? xset -dpms
2024-04-18 11:13:34	novns	this disables auto blanking
2024-04-18 11:13:57	novns	`xset s off` should turn the screen on
2024-04-18 11:13:58	aequilibrium	novns: the ssh session has no registered display, and I've always had issues figuring out how to export a display to use in the session
2024-04-18 11:14:05	aequilibrium	novns: thanks
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2024-04-18 11:16:18	aequilibrium	novns: Do you know how to ls displays, I know one is eDP but Im really bad at configuring that, I've had issues understanding with export DISPLAY variable etc
2024-04-18 11:16:57	novns	xrandr --listmonitors
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2024-04-18 11:17:02	aequilibrium	Im sorry for being a vampire, I did research before, I just never figured out how to properly work with it
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2024-04-18 11:17:58	novns	aequilibrium, ssh -Y should forward the X DISPLAY
2024-04-18 11:18:00	aequilibrium	novns: It says it can;t open displays, I believe I have to first set the display variable
2024-04-18 11:18:09	Earnestly	aequilibrium: The research is mostly necessary to understand the answers, being a vampire is expecting all of it to be explained
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2024-04-18 11:18:51	aequilibrium	Earnestly: I did, it was very confusing, this is not the first messing with xrandr xD
2024-04-18 11:19:01	aequilibrium	novns: still won't open displays
2024-04-18 11:19:03	novns	auspicacious, and usually it's just :0
2024-04-18 11:19:05	aequilibrium	even with Y
2024-04-18 11:19:06	Earnestly	Fwiw, for kde it might be possible to activate the screen via dbus signals
2024-04-18 11:19:14	aequilibrium	Earnestly: Huh?
2024-04-18 11:19:32	aequilibrium	Let me check
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2024-04-18 11:20:13	Earnestly	kde apparently even has dbus calls that let you run arbitrary commands in that context
2024-04-18 11:20:15	novns	aequilibrium, but why a blanked screen stops something from running?
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2024-04-18 11:20:30	novns	how is it even possible
2024-04-18 11:20:50	Earnestly	Oh no apparently not
2024-04-18 11:21:13	Earnestly	Yeah it sounds like broken software
2024-04-18 11:21:20	aequilibrium	Because rustdesk and sunshine error out, Im not sure, rustdesk just wont connect, sunshine mentions an error about display maybe being off
2024-04-18 11:21:28	aequilibrium	Earnestly: :/
2024-04-18 11:22:07	Earnestly	aequilibrium: Could it actually be that you're not running a display server /at all/ and this has nothing to do with Xorg or your "Screen being off"
2024-04-18 11:22:31	aequilibrium	Xorg is running
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2024-04-18 11:22:55	Earnestly	It doesn't really matter about xorg running on the remote, ssh -Y will use the local xserver
2024-04-18 11:23:04	aequilibrium	And running with Xwayland
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2024-04-18 11:23:42	aequilibrium	Earnestly: Im pretty sure I am running the server, otherwise I wouldn't have the plasma shell right :D?
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2024-04-18 11:24:15	Earnestly	xwayland probably complicates things
2024-04-18 11:24:33	Earnestly	I don't know wayland or why you'd want to use xorg if you are
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2024-04-18 11:25:18	aequilibrium	Can't really do much rn, the machine is ways away from me
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2024-04-18 11:25:53	aequilibrium	Is it necessary to set any of these for the remote sshd? 
2024-04-18 11:25:54	aequilibrium	#X11Forwarding no
2024-04-18 11:25:56	aequilibrium	#X11DisplayOffset 10
2024-04-18 11:25:57	aequilibrium	#X11UseLocalhost yes
2024-04-18 11:26:09	aequilibrium	oh, lmao right # is the channel keyword here
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2024-04-18 11:26:26	novns	auspicacious, -Y sets X11Forwarding to yes
2024-04-18 11:26:45	aequilibrium	So its not required to configure?
2024-04-18 11:26:58	novns	you can configure it to be the default
2024-04-18 11:27:13	aequilibrium	I'd rather not, if its an attack vector
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2024-04-18 11:27:21	novns	but you can just use -Y for one time
2024-04-18 11:27:37	aequilibrium	novns: thanks, still even with -Y it doesnt show any displays
2024-04-18 11:27:54	aequilibrium	I think I might have to still export the display variable, but Im unsure how to check which it is
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2024-04-18 11:28:44	grawity	tbh sounds like you're mixing two different usages of X11
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2024-04-18 11:29:02	grawity	ssh x11 forwarding lets remote commands connect to your *local* display
2024-04-18 11:29:14	grawity	which is the opposite of what you were asking at first, I think
2024-04-18 11:29:25	Earnestly	I get that impression too
2024-04-18 11:29:32	aequilibrium	XD ye, I am unsure
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2024-04-18 11:30:04	aequilibrium	If I understand it correctly -X is like -R for X, wheras -Y is -L for X
2024-04-18 11:30:10	grawity	no
2024-04-18 11:30:17	grawity	both -X and -Y are like -R for X
2024-04-18 11:30:17	aequilibrium	in context of port forwarding through ssh
2024-04-18 11:30:21	aequilibrium	oh?
2024-04-18 11:30:33	grawity	the difference is that -X enables some security features, while -Y is full passthrouh
2024-04-18 11:30:41	aequilibrium	Oh, thank you
2024-04-18 11:31:53	Earnestly	xauth list*
2024-04-18 11:32:08	aequilibrium	Earnestly: Sorry, didn't exactly understand the other part
2024-04-18 11:32:34	Earnestly	aequilibrium: Run xauth list and see
2024-04-18 11:32:59	aequilibrium	Magic cookie stuff xD
2024-04-18 11:33:01	Earnestly	The remote needs to know which display to use
2024-04-18 11:33:08	Earnestly	I.e. the local one
2024-04-18 11:34:31	aequilibrium	I dc'd for some reason
2024-04-18 11:34:33	aequilibrium	my bad
2024-04-18 11:34:38	aequilibrium	also /usr/bin/kwin_wayland on remote seems to be using --xwayland-display :1 when I check in htop
2024-04-18 11:35:45	rainbowtux	hi all, for the last couple of weeks, my laptop randomly locks up, been trying to figure out if something special is going on at the time but cant find anything and since it locks up completely, there is nothing to be found at time of issue either... any brilliant ideas on how to get to the bottom of this? :)
2024-04-18 11:36:12	aequilibrium	rainbowtux: out of memory?
2024-04-18 11:36:21	aequilibrium	rainbowtux: what kind of locking up?
2024-04-18 11:37:33	Earnestly	(Technically shouldn't have to set DISPLAY, ssh runs a proxy xserver but it is what it is. Local DISPLAY is not the same as remote DISPLAY, e.g. mine is :1 but my remote might be :10)
2024-04-18 11:38:05	rainbowtux	aequilibrium: everything simply hangs, computer stops responding... a few times it did still respond "a bit" for a brief while and then i found defunct processes, from firefox to krunner and other stuff, nothing popping out
2024-04-18 11:38:26	aequilibrium	Earnestly: Right, but i still don't know what to do with the magic cookie, it really sounds like it would give me some sort of arcane knowledge to unlock this config issue
2024-04-18 11:38:32	rainbowtux	earlier today everything just hung, i noticed by fans making more noise, was not even watching the screen at the time
2024-04-18 11:38:46	aequilibrium	rainbowtux: sounds like your out of memory
2024-04-18 11:39:28	grawity	Earnestly: for X forwarding that doesn't make any sense
2024-04-18 11:39:31	aequilibrium	Have sshd running? try sshing into the machine next time it locks up and run free to see how much memory there is, *warning* it might be clunky, for the same reason
2024-04-18 11:39:39	grawity	Earnestly: as the sshd itself sets DISPLAY for you
2024-04-18 11:39:48	Earnestly	grawity: Yeah it should
2024-04-18 11:40:00	aequilibrium	But in my case the variable is empty when I connect
2024-04-18 11:40:05	aequilibrium	Always was in my expirence
2024-04-18 11:40:08	rainbowtux	aequilibrium: i can start it and note my IP indeed... switching to console does not work when it happens
2024-04-18 11:40:09	grawity	Earnestly: unless you have something that unsets it
2024-04-18 11:40:13	Earnestly	grawity: I have added the remote to my local xauth file, this was long ago though and I may have forgotten
2024-04-18 11:40:17	aequilibrium	Had to do some mumbo jumbo commands to get it to work somewhat
2024-04-18 11:40:30	Earnestly	grawity: Oh yes, actually I do that's right. The builds are done in env -i (or chroots)
2024-04-18 11:40:53	aequilibrium	rainbowtux: you mean switching ttys? yea that is common, happened on the very machine Im try to connect to right now
2024-04-18 11:41:06	aequilibrium	I recommend adding more swap perhaps, how much do you have?
2024-04-18 11:41:43	Earnestly	grawity: This is pretty old, but it basically did: https://0x0.st/XoAE.sh
2024-04-18 11:41:56	rainbowtux	aequilibrium: i have 16G of memory and 8GB swap
2024-04-18 11:42:17	grawity	sounds like env=(... DISPLAY="$DISPLAY") would've done the job
2024-04-18 11:42:33	rainbowtux	which should be plenty for the amount of applications running (e.g. now 7GB in use)
2024-04-18 11:42:36	aequilibrium	grawity: let me try
2024-04-18 11:42:47	grawity	??
2024-04-18 11:43:03	aequilibrium	rainbowtux: hmm, please try and emulate the conditions of the lock up so you can ssh and use something like htop to see what it looks like
2024-04-18 11:43:30	aequilibrium	grawity: yea, ig that wouldn't work
2024-04-18 11:43:36	aequilibrium	I mean its empty as is?
2024-04-18 11:43:44	grawity	aequilibrium: that was for a different discussion
2024-04-18 11:43:55	aequilibrium	grawity: mb, can't keep up
2024-04-18 11:44:00	rainbowtux	aequilibrium: i will wait for it to happen again, started sshd for when it occurs... happens once every 2 days approx, so can take a while... and no idea how to trigger it, there is no smoking gun yet
2024-04-18 11:44:33	aequilibrium	rainbowtux: Why not enable sshd, it's a vital tool for any linux machine, just make sure to have key auth
2024-04-18 11:44:55	grawity	Earnestly: now that I've got NFS everywhere, sometimes I cd to ~/.cache/pacaur/foo on one system, do "on wind makepkg" to compile it on another via NFS, and then "on myth pacman -U ..." to install it on yet another
2024-04-18 11:45:05	aequilibrium	rainbowtux: Culprit sounds like some sort of proton game leaking memory or maybe a browser?
2024-04-18 11:45:32	rainbowtux	aequilibrium: i know but i prefer not to have it on a laptop unless required, reducing attack surface as much as possible
2024-04-18 11:45:56	grawity	hmm why can't I open wireshark-qt anymore, it just hangs
2024-04-18 11:46:01	aequilibrium	grawity: I just realzied -Y fails
2024-04-18 11:46:10	aequilibrium	X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0
2024-04-18 11:46:10	rainbowtux	aequilibrium: no games, but could be firefox... will try keeping an eye on it... weird thing: never happened, till about 3 weeks ago and my way of working did not change
2024-04-18 11:46:32	grawity	aequilibrium: IIRC forwarding is off by default in sshd_config, but besides that, it'd connect you to the wrong display anyway, wouldn't it?
2024-04-18 11:46:56	grawity	aequilibrium: you wanted to reach the remote display at the server, ssh doesn't have an option for that – you have to manually export DISPLAY=something
2024-04-18 11:47:00	aequilibrium	rainbowtux: firefox usually doesn't use up much, infact Im pretty sure its virtual memory is set to your RAM+SWAP
2024-04-18 11:47:37	Earnestly	grawity: Oh I like that abstraction, it's more or less what I was trying to do but also have the machines manage their power as well. So if it was powered off it'd wol and then go into an rtcwake suspend. If it woke up after this time it'd shutdown
2024-04-18 11:47:38	aequilibrium	grawity: Um, how do I enable it? I can always edit sshd_config, but It really makes me confused xD
2024-04-18 11:48:48	Earnestly	grawity: Do you use radius for your setup? (The ultimate aim would be what you're doing except transparently regardless of which network I was connected to)
2024-04-18 11:49:13	grawity	aequilibrium: "X11Forwarding yes"
2024-04-18 11:49:13	aequilibrium	I tried DISPLAY=0.0 , .1, 0.1, etc
2024-04-18 11:49:18	grawity	aequilibrium: but again
2024-04-18 11:49:29	Earnestly	aequilibrium: Run xauth list on the remote
2024-04-18 11:49:30	grawity	aequilibrium: decide which one of the two entirely opposite things you want to do!
2024-04-18 11:49:51	grawity	aequilibrium: do you want commands on the server use the display on the server, *or* do you want them to connect back to the display on the client?
2024-04-18 11:50:07	aequilibrium	haha, sorry im not getting this, its a remote machine, I just want to connect to the remote display so I can run xrandr to wake it up
2024-04-18 11:50:17	Earnestly	aequilibrium: Do you understand that ssh -Y will allow remote X11 clients to connect to your local server and so display the contents of their window on your local machine via the locally running xserver?
2024-04-18 11:50:17	grawity	okay then forget X11 forwarding completely, and just export DISPLAY
2024-04-18 11:50:18	aequilibrium	first one I think
2024-04-18 11:50:22	grawity	because you're flailing around between the two right now
2024-04-18 11:50:29	aequilibrium	:D
2024-04-18 11:50:34	Earnestly	Oh this has nothing to do with forwarding then
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2024-04-18 11:50:36	aequilibrium	oH
2024-04-18 11:50:44	grawity	right now the remote display is :1 according to the kwin command you mentioned earlier
2024-04-18 11:50:54	grawity	so export DISPLAY=:1
2024-04-18 11:51:01	grawity	you might need XAUTHORITY as well, or you might not
2024-04-18 11:51:10	grawity	one way is to peek at the environment of some already running app
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2024-04-18 11:51:15	Earnestly	aequilibrium: DISPLAY=:1 xrandr ...
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2024-04-18 11:51:23	grawity	e.g. if you have Firefox running
2024-04-18 11:51:29	grawity	get a PID from `pgrep -alf firefox`
2024-04-18 11:51:39	grawity	then do: tr \\0 \\n < /proc/INSERT_PID/environ
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2024-04-18 11:52:01	aequilibrium	Thanks, I think that did it
2024-04-18 11:52:03	aequilibrium	Except
2024-04-18 11:52:05	aequilibrium	Authorization required, but no authorization protocol specified
2024-04-18 11:52:07	aequilibrium	xset:  unable to open display ":1"
2024-04-18 11:52:17	grawity	Earnestly: I've had radius set up but it doesn't really get involved in this at all, it's only useful for Wi-Fi EAP authentication really
2024-04-18 11:52:18	Earnestly	It might might just need XAUTHORITY=~/.XAuthority DISPLAY=:1 xrandr ...
2024-04-18 11:52:18	aequilibrium	I guess thats where the cookie comes into play?
2024-04-18 11:52:25	grawity	Earnestly: I do have kerberos for NFS though
2024-04-18 11:52:41	grawity	aequilibrium: yeah, X apps may have to read the cookie from the xauthority file to be allowed to connect
2024-04-18 11:52:58	Earnestly	kerberos is slightly intimidating
2024-04-18 11:53:12	grawity	so if it's not the default of ~/.Xauthority, you have to set XAUTHORITY= accordingly
2024-04-18 11:53:14	Earnestly	I kind of wish ssh certificates could "replace" it
2024-04-18 11:53:24	aequilibrium	Hopefully Im not leaking a private key here but nano .Xauthority contains this ^A^@^@^FPsychi^@^A0^@^RMIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1^@^PF�]^X"��٥h,c�^]�N
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2024-04-18 11:53:31	grawity	Earnestly: it's much easier than setting up FreeRADIUS, at least
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2024-04-18 11:53:43	grawity	aequilibrium: `xauth -n list` to see its contents
2024-04-18 11:53:51	ecraven	that's your magic cookie, now we can connect to your X server :D
2024-04-18 11:53:54	Earnestly	Yeah I should probably just read about it
2024-04-18 11:53:57	aequilibrium	Yippie :D
2024-04-18 11:54:10	aequilibrium	Im glad to share magic cookies :D
2024-04-18 11:54:12	ecraven	now please tell us your IP address and open up the port, otherwise this won't work :D
2024-04-18 11:54:12	grawity	Earnestly: ...and tbh mildly easier than SSH certificates, even. (and more cross-platform at that)
2024-04-18 11:54:40	Earnestly	That may be true, I haven't yet tried to use them
2024-04-18 11:54:51	grawity	I still have a service running to auto-create *host* certificates, but ... keeping each host in known_hosts was easier. certs would be good if I had like 50+ hosts
2024-04-18 11:54:55	Earnestly	Esp. the "onboarding" aspect of it
2024-04-18 11:55:03	aequilibrium	xauth -n list does what I saw before, just shows the magic cookie, but I still don't really understand what I need to actually configure xD
2024-04-18 11:55:28	grawity	aequilibrium: in general, the variable takes a file path, so it'd be like export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority
2024-04-18 11:55:38	ecraven	grawity: have you tried the DNS thing for host keys?
2024-04-18 11:55:40	aequilibrium	Oh, thank you
2024-04-18 11:55:41	Earnestly	aequilibrium: The command: XAUTHORITY=~/.Xauthority DISPLAY=:1 xrandr ...
2024-04-18 11:55:43	grawity	aequilibrium: except $HOME/.Xauthority is already the default, so that means it's not that file
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2024-04-18 11:55:52	aequilibrium	haha
2024-04-18 11:55:57	grawity	aequilibrium: pgrep -alf Xwayland, see if it shows a different path next to -auth
2024-04-18 11:56:00	Earnestly	Yes, .Xauthority should be the default if XAUTHORITY isn't set
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2024-04-18 11:56:15	grawity	ecraven: yeah, I have them set up for servers
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2024-04-18 11:56:29	Earnestly	Oh true, Xwayland probably does use a different path. Still I think KDE/plasma must have a dbus call site to wake up a display, surely?
2024-04-18 11:56:38	grawity	ecraven: but, well, I have the entire known_hosts file in my ~/.dotfiles git repo anyway
2024-04-18 11:56:40	aequilibrium	still no auth protocol specified
2024-04-18 11:56:49	grawity	brb
2024-04-18 11:56:53	⚡ 	grawity work
2024-04-18 11:56:59	aequilibrium	grawity: gl
2024-04-18 11:57:26	aequilibrium	So in reality, I have the wrong cookie?
2024-04-18 11:57:32	Earnestly	aequilibrium: Does that Xwayland protocol not have an -auth flag in its command-line?
2024-04-18 11:57:35	aequilibrium	I can't imagine a cookie being wrong
2024-04-18 11:57:48	Web_Anon	Has anybody tried wayland on a laptop and connect and external monitor?
2024-04-18 11:57:56	aequilibrium	found it
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2024-04-18 11:58:04	aequilibrium	its a process cookie
2024-04-18 11:58:12	Web_Anon	HDMI stops getting detected whenever I switch tk wayland
2024-04-18 11:58:24	Earnestly	The cookie isn't really relevant atm unless you want to recreate an xauth file
2024-04-18 11:58:37	aequilibrium	--xwayland-xauthority /run/user/1000/xauth_...
2024-04-18 11:58:47	Earnestly	aequilibrium: Yeah, so set XAUTHORITY to that file
2024-04-18 11:58:50	aequilibrium	Thanks :D
2024-04-18 11:59:24	Earnestly	aequilibrium: (You can read all about this in Xsecurity(7))
2024-04-18 11:59:38	aequilibrium	Like a charm :D
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2024-04-18 12:00:36	aequilibrium	Well it lists the display, but that may have not been the issue,since still no connection :/
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2024-04-18 12:03:01	aequilibrium	Earnestly: thanks for the help guys, was a learning expirence
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2024-04-18 13:20:58	rav	are we supposed / allowed talk aur here?
2024-04-18 13:21:07	luna_	rav: #archlinux-aur
2024-04-18 13:21:31	rcf	You can certainly discuss it here as well
2024-04-18 13:22:55	rav	firefox-nightly is a bit... outdated there :D
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2024-04-18 13:26:57	rcf	Do not mark it as outdated. 
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2024-04-18 13:29:46	rcf	It has a pkgver() function, so the given version is not accurate. 
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2024-04-18 13:30:27	teraflops	it seems like touch /etc/systemd/do-not-udevadm-trigger-on-update is helping here with the freezes while updating the system with pacman
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2024-04-18 13:31:17	rcf	teraflops: now give it a decade or so of bikeshedding to decide when panics on updates are a real problem. 
2024-04-18 13:31:30	Namarrgon	What hardware is this on?
2024-04-18 13:31:33	teraflops	I was desperated
2024-04-18 13:31:53	rav	aur page says 106, pikaur pulls 124, while current nightly is 127
2024-04-18 13:31:59	Antiz	rav: It is not outdated. firefox-nightly is a VCS package (implied by the "nightly" suffix). Notice the pkgver function (as rcf already said).
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2024-04-18 13:32:44	teraflops	Namarrgon: AMD Ryzen 9 8945HS w/ Radeon 780M Graphics and rtx 4070 wirh mux switch
2024-04-18 13:32:51	teraflops	with^
2024-04-18 13:33:02	Namarrgon	Ah weird hardware.
2024-04-18 13:33:32	Antiz	rav: Doesn't matter what the aur page says, the pkgver function within the PKGBUILD will update the pkgver according to the latest upstream commit when you build it.
2024-04-18 13:33:51	Antiz	Just like -git packages (if you're familiar with that)
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2024-04-18 13:34:44	jelle	cursed hardware!
2024-04-18 13:35:05	rcf	You would be familiar with that right about now 
2024-04-18 13:35:18	teraflops	jelle: to be honest it works well
2024-04-18 13:35:27	rav	Antiz: you are right, pikaur *pulls* 127 indeed
2024-04-18 13:35:30	teraflops	I do not have to use the optimus thingy
2024-04-18 13:35:33	Antiz	rav: ;)
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2024-04-18 13:36:14	rcf	Now the whole i18n situation probably needs to be cleaned up, but that's another matter. 
2024-04-18 13:36:44	rcf	(especially with duplicate packages, in one case both orphaned) 
2024-04-18 13:37:34	luna_	stupid question but could one do that with -beta too grab a package if there is a newer version? or do an automatic package bump system?
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2024-04-18 13:38:41	gromit	luna_: sure why not? 
2024-04-18 13:38:48	Namarrgon	I personally don't like it when there's a magic pkgver() function in non-cvs PKGBUILD.
2024-04-18 13:39:13	luna_	gromit: nah just thinking loud
2024-04-18 13:39:31	Antiz	Yeah, I wouldn't expect such a pkgver() mechanism in a non-VCS package either
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2024-04-18 13:40:28	jelle	nightly is kinda vcs
2024-04-18 13:40:46	Antiz	Yeah yeah nightly is fine
2024-04-18 13:40:57	Antiz	but -beta usually implies releases
2024-04-18 13:41:36	luna_	yep was just thinking loud, but yeah maybe better to actually do it manually so i can test at the same time
2024-04-18 13:42:22	Antiz	Yeah, that would be expected. Such "automatic package bump system" should be reserved to VCS packages ^^
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2024-04-18 13:42:46	Antiz	But, for a pragmatic response, yes that's doable. Not expected, but doable ^^
2024-04-18 13:42:53	luna_	fair enough
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2024-04-18 13:44:36	astralc	visual-studio-code-insiders-bin is also "pkver"ed
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2024-04-18 13:45:20	rcf	For a release, it has the extremely undesirable property that you can't use checksums to verify that you're building the same source for a given version of a package. 
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2024-04-18 13:46:52	rcf	astralc: that makes sense, though. 
2024-04-18 13:47:07	rcf	It's the Microsoft equivalent of a nightly 
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2024-04-21 20:57:02	teraflops	all the freezed I had (and several arch users suffered too) while upgrading with pacman are related to nvidia https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/series-550-freezes-laptop/284772/84
2024-04-21 20:57:03	phrik	Title: Series 550 freezes laptop - #84 by franciscodemaussion - Linux - NVIDIA Developer Forums (at forums.developer.nvidia.com)
2024-04-21 20:57:48	teraflops	I so glad because I switched to fedora and I just do not like it
2024-04-21 20:58:28	teraflops	nvidia-open is ok and doesn't have the bug so I can use arch linux again ;)
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2024-04-21 21:17:14	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-21 22:07:05	Dazzletune	NVIDIA drivers are tough and finicky on Arch Linux.
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2024-04-21 22:09:46	bookworm	not more than other distros, you just happen to have a more recent kernel than most
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2024-04-21 22:37:32	bswartz	Arch has LTS kernel packages (linux-lts) if you want to run less bleeding-edge kernels
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2024-04-21 22:39:49	bluetail	bswartz bleeding edges sound nasty
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2024-04-21 22:41:10	bookworm	bswartz: which updates aggressively too, sometimes at the exact same time if it's marked as the new LTS
2024-04-21 22:41:34	bookworm	which means... LTS isn't *that* long in realistic terms
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2024-04-21 22:41:46	bookworm	you get the most recent LTS
2024-04-21 22:42:26	gromit	bookworm: lts means that the branch is supported for longer, not slow updates 
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2024-04-21 22:42:59	gromit	if you want updates seldomly, just dont update your system all the time 
2024-04-21 22:43:01	bswartz	Yeah LTS still gets all the security updates and bugfixes, it's just behind on new features
2024-04-21 22:43:28	bswartz	And nearly nobody needs the latest kernel features
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2024-04-21 22:43:40	gromit	bswartz: which sometimes is a feature, i.e. zfs usually takes some time until they support the latest kernel
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2024-04-21 22:43:57	gromit	bswartz: well I want the latest and the greatest
2024-04-21 22:44:31	bswartz	Yeah I run the non-lts "linux" package on most of my machines
2024-04-21 22:44:49	bswartz	But if the new kernel was funky for any reason I'd switch back to LTS for more stability
2024-04-21 22:45:02	bookworm	I never ever want to run an out of tree FS...
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2024-04-21 22:45:43	bookworm	had my fare share of issues with displaylink, so the fs would be worse
2024-04-21 22:47:12	bswartz	Displaylink is a pile of turds
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2024-04-21 22:49:39	ian|	i wish there was a true lts package so i could opt not to upgrade the kernel so often
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2024-04-21 22:50:26	bswartz	What exactly is the downside of the kernel upgrades from your perspective?
2024-04-21 22:50:54	bswartz	I used to have problems with kernel modules getting deleted, but I installed kernel-modules-hook and that problem went away
2024-04-21 22:51:27	ian|	i like to keep all my packages up to date, so downloading updates is annoying
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2024-04-21 22:51:50	gromit	ian|: how could it be more "true" then following what the upstream linux kernel team releases as lts version? 
2024-04-21 22:52:23	ian|	less 'true' but could be like Debian or w/e
2024-04-21 22:52:48	ian|	they stick with one for a while
2024-04-21 22:52:59	bookworm	a decade or two
2024-04-21 22:53:08	bookworm	which is the other insane 
2024-04-21 22:53:30	bookworm	and why we can't have nice things sometimes in user space
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2024-04-22 06:34:37	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-22 06:34:37	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1410 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1409 regular)
2024-04-21 23:16:17	ian|	for compiling with specific x64 versions on AUR packages, do i add say -march=x86-64-v2 to GCCFLAGS or have CARCH="x86_64-v2"
2024-04-21 23:16:37	ian|	CFLAGS *
2024-04-21 23:26:10	tirnanog	alter CFLAGS.
2024-04-21 23:26:21	ian|	thanks
2024-04-21 23:59:11	alexp	Hello I recently updated my arch Linux distro and apps with yay but after a reboot I see that all qt6 apps stop working  eg : dolphin, widgets and plasma to some extent. Then I see that the cause of the incident is kmcutils so I downgrade it from version 6.1 to 6.0 but the error still persisted then I downgraded to 5.239( I don't remember the
2024-04-21 23:59:12	alexp	exact number version I know it started with 5 and ended with 9) and then after another reboot I can't even log in. Cause the moment I try to log in I get a black screen and get sent back to the log in screen. Then I try to update kmcutils but to no avail cause now it spits out an error that some files are already in the file system and if fails to
2024-04-21 23:59:12	alexp	install. Now I'm lost and have no idea what to do
2024-04-22 00:00:58	alexp	I get these types of errors : dolphin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libKF6KCMUtils.so.6: undefined symbol: _ZN32KCategorizedSortFilterProxyModel16staticMetaObjectE
2024-04-22 00:01:58	Namarrgon	alexp: pacman -Qm
2024-04-22 00:02:08	Namarrgon	upgrade everything first
2024-04-22 00:04:37	alexp	Okay done upgraded everything anything else I could try to do?
2024-04-22 00:06:03	Namarrgon	Did you replace any repo packages with unofficial alternatives? Does -Qm return anything?
2024-04-22 00:06:53	alexp	Not really from what I remember and - Qm returns a bunch of packages
2024-04-22 00:07:49	Namarrgon	Post the output to a paste service.
2024-04-22 00:09:21	gromit	!give alexp 0x0
2024-04-22 00:09:22	phrik	alexp: curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-04-22 00:10:38	edu4rdshl	Looks like some custom qt theme issue
2024-04-22 00:11:57	Scimmia	that's usually a version mismatch
2024-04-22 00:16:35	alexp	https://0x0.st/XoI7.txt
2024-04-22 00:17:03	Namarrgon	Well, that's a proper mess.
2024-04-22 00:17:04	Scimmia	holy crap man
2024-04-22 00:17:06	edu4rdshl	Uh, what a mess
2024-04-22 00:18:00	Scimmia	First off, see all of those k*-git packages? Replace them with the normal versions
2024-04-22 00:18:21	alexp	Okay I'll get to it
2024-04-22 00:20:39	Scimmia	make sure to get rid of the -debug packages for them as well
2024-04-22 00:21:03	alexp	I'm getting a bunch of depency errors when I try to uninstall anything
2024-04-22 00:21:20	Scimmia	install the normal version, it'll remove the -git one
2024-04-22 00:22:02	alexp	Ok
2024-04-22 00:25:55	alexp	I also keep getting a idconfig : File /usr/lib/libKF5KCMUtilscore.so.5 is empty, not checked and a bunch more with similar names
2024-04-22 00:26:49	Scimmia	You'll need to reinstall the packages with those files
2024-04-22 00:26:58	Scimmia	!give alexp pacman-file
2024-04-22 00:26:59	phrik	alexp: Find out what package owns a file, even if the package isn't installed. pacman -Fy <file> (similar to !pkgfile)
2024-04-22 00:32:09	illuminated	ok so previous user said they did an upgrade with yay.  I have not personally used yay.  I have installed maybe 2 or 3 packages from the AUR manually by doing makepkg after having inspected the PKGBUILD file to see what it 'would' do.  Is previous posters experience typical of using package helpers or whatever they're called?  Is this level of breakage to be expected when cheating with the AUR?
2024-04-22 00:33:04	Scimmia	No, it's expected when replacing a bunch of repo packages with AUR versions and not keeping them up
2024-04-22 00:33:15	illuminated	and I only ask not to poke fun at previous poster.  I'm like 3 weeks into using arch.  If I can learn from someone else's mistake so I do not duplicate something similar, then I'll take it as a learning opportunity
2024-04-22 00:33:29	Namarrgon	When you replace official packages then you're responsible for rebuilds.
2024-04-22 00:33:55	Namarrgon	Whether you used an aur-helper or just makepkg doesn't make a difference.
2024-04-22 00:34:35	Namarrgon	But if you are familiar with the manual process you're more likely to be able to dig yourself out of any resulting problems.
2024-04-22 00:34:49	bluetail	Namarrgon you made my day
2024-04-22 00:35:41	Namarrgon	I did?
2024-04-22 00:36:27	bluetail	yea. People are just too helpless nowadays
2024-04-22 00:37:09	Namarrgon	As long as they learn from their mistakes that's not a problem.
2024-04-22 00:37:19	illuminated	ok, so I guess point is.. do _not_ replace official repo packages with AUR ones.  You will end up boned
2024-04-22 00:38:04	bluetail	those who only complain about their powerlessness cannot change anything
2024-04-22 00:43:29	illuminated	hmmm.. reading this book on systemd... I didn't know that systemd can block connections to services based on ip address.  I wonder how systemd actually does this.
2024-04-22 00:44:16	archdemon	magic
2024-04-22 00:48:30	alexp	Okay I'm done Ive removed all the k*-git packages + the k* git-debug  and replaced the k*-git packages with the normal ones
2024-04-22 00:48:54	tirnanog	illuminated: with eBPF. LESS=+/eBPF man systemd.resource-control
2024-04-22 00:50:41	Scimmia	alexp: and the empty libraries?
2024-04-22 00:53:25	alexp	Yeah I found the package it was kcmutils5 I managed to uninstall it but I can't install it as I get an insane amount of file exists in Filesystem errors
2024-04-22 00:55:19	Scimmia	alexp: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#%22Failed_to_commit_transaction_(conflicting_files)%22_error
2024-04-22 00:55:20	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-22 00:56:57	alexp	Okay managed to install it down to 3 idconfig errors now
2024-04-22 00:59:49	alexp	Okay I fixed it thanks guys yall made my day
2024-04-22 01:00:55	Scimmia	alexp: the empty libs indicate filesystem problems. It would be a good idea to check pacman -Qkk to see if there's more
2024-04-22 01:01:10	alexp	Okay I'll do it
2024-04-22 02:09:28	kode54	have fun with keeping hyprland in the repos
2024-04-22 02:09:36	kode54	since vaxry has now forked his own wlroots
2024-04-22 02:20:45	edu4rdshl	Wan't hyprland on some kind of drama weeks ago?
2024-04-22 02:20:59	edu4rdshl	sn*
2024-04-22 02:39:42	Jhlorn-	kode54: Sheash. That guy... I don't even know him but I don't like people that are two-faced liars.
2024-04-22 02:40:36	Namarrgon	keep the topic technical...
2024-04-22 02:41:35	kode54	was only pointing out how he claims he'll be making "minor changes" versus upstream, but now he's free to do whatever he wants, including making it mutually exclusive to the upstream library, while not remaining compatible with it
2024-04-22 02:41:47	Tom^	kode54: well what do you expect when you lock him out of accessing upstream
2024-04-22 02:42:06	kode54	drop the subject, keep it technical
2024-04-22 02:47:31	Tom^	hyprland is also staticly linked towards the subproject in this case the fork so remaining "compatible" doesnt matter much either
2024-04-22 02:52:27	kode54	then I guess it can become an AUR project like wayfire
2024-04-22 02:54:32	jenia2	Hello
2024-04-22 02:54:47	rcf	!welcome
2024-04-22 02:54:48	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2024-04-22 02:54:54	jenia2	I did not fuck up
2024-04-22 02:54:54	jenia2	haha
2024-04-22 02:55:46	jenia2	I connected my speakers to my laptop and sometimes they sound like the narrator has inhaled that has that makes you sound funny
2024-04-22 02:55:56	jenia2	gas*
2024-04-22 02:56:14	jenia2	ummm perhaps someone has encountered that before?
2024-04-22 02:56:31	jenia2	yes. usually when I suspend and start the laptop again
2024-04-22 02:56:32	KDDLB	sample rate mismatch
2024-04-22 02:57:16	KDDLB	restart your sound server? `systemctl --user restart <either pipewire or pulseaudio>` 
2024-04-22 02:57:25	jenia2	thanks!!
2024-04-22 02:58:12	jenia2	haha I can't try it now because that bug did not manifest itself for some reason. damn!
2024-04-22 02:58:20	jenia2	ok. taking note. thank you!!
2024-04-22 02:58:53	KDDLB	:)
2024-04-22 02:58:56	ponies	lol 
2024-04-22 04:45:38	quarters	hello. I'm trying to work with docker on archlinux and it seems like it's not super straight forward.I'm mainly having an issue with there being a timeout while running npm install in docker, which seems to indicate that there's a proxy issue
2024-04-22 05:19:25	quarters	can anyone recommend any packages for keycasting?
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2024-04-22 07:16:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-22 07:16:45	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1414 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1413 regular)
2024-04-22 07:10:02	Gnana	i gave permissions notifation flatpak spotify but its not showing the notifcation even activated the notifcation from spotify settings?
2024-04-22 07:10:13	Gnana	notify-send work
2024-04-22 07:10:24	Gnana	mako status is godo
2024-04-22 07:10:27	Gnana	good
2024-04-22 07:11:06	Gnana	even spotify icon is not changin to green when playing track
2024-04-22 07:11:17	Gnana	should i go for aur package ?
2024-04-22 07:11:21	Gnana	:S
2024-04-22 07:16:45	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-22 07:21:34	Gnana	hyprland
2024-04-22 07:21:55	Gnana	yes its spotify icon there black/white
2024-04-22 07:21:59	Gnana	in tray
2024-04-22 07:22:01	Gnana	waybar
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2024-04-22 07:23:55	Gnana	sudo pacman -S xdg-desktop-portal-hyprland ??
2024-04-22 07:24:13	Gnana	warning: xdg-desktop-portal-hyprland-1.3.1-6 is up to date -- reinstalling
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2024-04-22 07:24:48	Gnana	https://wiki.hyprland.org/Useful-Utilities/Hyprland-desktop-portal/
2024-04-22 07:24:50	phrik	Title: Hyprland Desktop Portal | Hyprland Wiki (at wiki.hyprland.org)
2024-04-22 07:24:52	Gnana	got something
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2024-04-22 07:42:32	teraflops	Gnana: either use what https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/spotify suggests or use mpris and add its module to waybar
2024-04-22 07:42:33	phrik	Title: Spotify - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-22 07:51:45	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-22 07:54:51	Gnana	my star
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2024-04-22 07:55:26	Gnana	i have installled spotify-snapstore now its fixed
2024-04-22 07:55:56	Gnana	i have isntall starpromtp but when i open wezterm first it shows bash #ps1 then on enter it shows startship prompt?
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2024-04-22 07:56:23	Gnana	wezterm really worth the time?
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2024-04-22 07:56:39	Gnana	or should i go for other terminal
2024-04-22 07:57:15	Gnana	flatpak
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2024-04-22 07:58:01	Gnana	yes, spotify aur pkg does not work
2024-04-22 07:58:11	Gnana	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/spotify
2024-04-22 07:58:13	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - spotify (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-04-22 07:58:17	Gnana	okay let me see
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2024-04-22 07:59:30	Shapeshifter	I'm having a weird problem with the rendering of latin fonts in japanese-locale contexts in some applications (like firefox and chromium, but not gnome-terminal). See this screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/6ofmbt0.png It's an amazon page for a product named Electro-Harmonix 6L6GC, the kanji render fine, but the latin font E and C are rendered as ) and some variant of 工. It makes no sense. And if
2024-04-22 07:59:30	Shapeshifter	I 
2024-04-22 07:59:36	Shapeshifter	paste this text from the website into a terminal, it renderes fine. So it's really a font rendering issue. I have all kinds of fonts installed. Not even sure how to debug this.
2024-04-22 07:59:48	Gnana	hmm im a fool
2024-04-22 07:59:50	Gnana	sorry
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2024-04-22 09:02:37	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-22 09:05:21	Blutkoete	Is there a tool to extract a pacman package from a system? What I mean by this: The original tar.gz file does not exist anymore, but the packages is installed and all information/files should be present in the pacman database and the system
2024-04-22 09:06:40	HuntsMan	yes
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2024-04-22 09:08:10	HuntsMan	Blutkoete: there is a way but cannot find it right now, it was mentioned in the forums
2024-04-22 09:09:03	Blutkoete	Ah, thank you, then I'll continue searching myself
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2024-04-22 09:12:57	HuntsMan	Blutkoete: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Recreate_a_package_from_the_file_system
2024-04-22 09:12:58	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-22 09:15:15	Blutkoete	HunstMan Thank you, should have looked there first
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2024-04-22 09:40:26	Strykar	A secondary monitor connected to the onboard Ryzen's iGPU does not show anything. App windows can be moved to it, but the display shows nothing. Main monitor driven by an Nvidia GPU
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2024-04-22 10:06:12	susi-	I experience aw snaps very often on my another Chromebook since v124
2024-04-22 10:08:20	linukszone	Are they related to viewing xml files, or viewing content encoded as xml?
2024-04-22 10:09:24	susi-	nope
2024-04-22 10:09:37	susi-	I don't know what they are related to, but it can happen on any tab and happens all the time
2024-04-22 10:10:32	linukszone	okay... the issue i have is specifically related to opening xml files. the reddit conversation has a link to xml file and a link to a website that seems to serve xml content, both of which cause aw snaps on my machine...
2024-04-22 10:11:46	susi-	so maybe your CPU does not support AVX2 and the Arch build is not suitable for your hardware
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2024-04-22 10:13:23	linukszone	This isn't an AVX2 issue. SIGILL is caused by ud2 instruction which the chromium executed because it found a libxml with catalogs enabled.
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2024-04-22 10:15:35	linukszone	I am also able to open xml files which do not contain style info. For e.g., Opening https://ec4macs.eu/content/xml/answer_all.xml has no problem. But opening https://registry.khronos.org/OpenGL-Refpages/gl2.1/xhtml/glXChooseFBConfig.xml causes an immediate crash.
2024-04-22 10:15:39	phrik	Title: glXChooseFBConfig (at registry.khronos.org)
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2024-04-22 10:16:44	linukszone	So the issue reproduces if one tries to access an xml file or xml content that needs parsing through a catalog...
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2024-04-22 10:18:14	linukszone	The crash isn't something unexpected; it is a deliberate choice by chromium when it encounters libxml configured with catalogs enabled. The systme-default libxml on Arch distro is configured as such..
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2024-04-22 10:21:21	linukszone	chromium needs a libxml configured with catalogs disabled. The system-default libxml is configured with catalogs enabled. This discrepancy causes a runtime CHECK in chromium to fail. This is similar to an assert firing because a condition was found to be false.
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2024-04-22 10:42:05	kurtosis	maybe the folks on #chromium have seen this issue previously
2024-04-22 10:44:22	grawity	sounds like a packaging issue; I was about to say "open an arch bug report", but unfortunately gitlab, so maybe ask gromit instead
2024-04-22 10:45:34	gromit	grawity: ? 
2024-04-22 10:46:58	linukszone	#chromium have, some years ago. This is an old issue resurfacing because chromium upstream decided to remove the workaround they had in place. The reddit conversation has the details. To clarify, the crash, the SIGILL are all deliberate, by design behaviour by chromium in response to finding a misconfigured libxml.
2024-04-22 10:49:51	linukszone	hello gromit. When I open, for e.g., https://registry.khronos.org/OpenGL-Refpages/gl2.1/xhtml/glXChooseFBConfig.xml, the chromium tab crashes with "Aw, Snap!" message.
2024-04-22 10:51:08	gromit	linukszone: yeah I see, please open a bug https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/chromium/-/issues/new
2024-04-22 10:51:09	phrik	Title: Sign in · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-22 10:52:21	linukszone	gromit: understood..
2024-04-22 12:56:54	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-22 12:57:04	gromit	linukszone: I do not maintain the package, I just did the last update because its packager was not near a computer at the time 
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2024-04-22 10:58:59	linukszone	gromit: no worries. I will open a bug with Arch and let the due process take over.
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2024-04-22 14:33:23	tranzistor	Hello! How do I convince GDM to let me log in as root?
2024-04-22 14:33:57	Khorne	Why
2024-04-22 14:34:06	tranzistor	I don't use a separate account
2024-04-22 14:34:18	Khorne	Smart
2024-04-22 14:34:37	Khorne	I would also skip the password requirement, it's more efficient that way
2024-04-22 14:35:02	Khorne	Your idea is kinda stupid but the GDM wiki has your answer
2024-04-22 14:35:47	BrainDamage	you'll risk crippling a few programs by screwing up permissions accidentally
2024-04-22 14:36:04	Khorne	Where they're going, risk is not an issue
2024-04-22 14:36:28	brjl	Unforeseen breakage is fun!
2024-04-22 14:36:35	Khorne	It's foreseen.
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2024-04-22 14:36:52	brjl	Miles away
2024-04-22 14:37:02	Khorne	Moles away
2024-04-22 14:37:08	gromit	Quite some tools will refuse to work when being run as root, so have fun with that 
2024-04-22 14:37:18	another|	"Hey look! There's risk ahead!"
2024-04-22 14:37:22	Khorne	Just change the uid of root to 3
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2024-04-22 14:38:19	rapha	edu4rdshl: so, audio was fixed without issue by switching back to pipewire, thank you for that! then i ran out of time and today tried out pipewire-pulse-module-pipe-sink to sink the source into snapserver's /etc/snapfifo. looking at the VU-meter in pavucontrol, it seems to be working fine - but no audio ever arrives in snapserver. is there some unknown magic involved besides the file= argument?
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2024-04-22 14:39:59	tranzistor	Khorne: "the GDM wiki has your answer" => I did see that, but on my machine, the file /etc/pam.d/gdm-password looks completely different.
2024-04-22 14:40:06	Khorne	tranzistor, ok
2024-04-22 14:40:10	Khorne	and?
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2024-04-22 14:40:23	tranzistor	The line that I should change is not there. What page are you referring to, Khorne?
2024-04-22 14:40:33	tranzistor	This one? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GDM
2024-04-22 14:40:35	phrik	Title: GDM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-22 15:09:16	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-22 15:09:16	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1446 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1445 regular)
2024-04-22 14:40:57	Khorne	yes
2024-04-22 14:41:20	reverseengineer	hello my kernel was built with CONFIG_NTFS3_FS=m but I can't mount ntfs part. "Filesystem type ntfs not configured in kernel."
2024-04-22 14:41:45	brjl	That's the kernel telling you to rethink your choices
2024-04-22 14:41:49	another|	!give reverseengineer aw ntfs
2024-04-22 14:41:51	phrik	reverseengineer: Ntfs - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Ntfs
2024-04-22 14:41:56	brjl	Like mounting NTFS partitions
2024-04-22 14:41:59	tranzistor	Khorne, my /etc/pam.d/gdm-password does not have the line containing pam_deny.so at all
2024-04-22 14:42:00	reverseengineer	another|: I have already seen that page
2024-04-22 14:42:07	reverseengineer	brjl: very funny...
2024-04-22 14:42:08	tranzistor	It seems like the wiki is outdated
2024-04-22 14:42:21	Khorne	tranzistor, find out where you need to put that line and fix the wiki then
2024-04-22 14:42:40	tranzistor	Khorne: sorry, I have no idea how arch linux works, I only used Gentoo in the past
2024-04-22 14:42:45	another|	reverseengineer: then you should know the fstype is called ntfs3
2024-04-22 14:42:56	reverseengineer	another|: doesn't matter, same error
2024-04-22 14:43:07	tranzistor	I thought someone here would know how to login as root in GDM ...
2024-04-22 14:43:13	Khorne	tranzistor, it's not an arch thing, it's a pam thing
2024-04-22 14:43:16	Khorne	or a gdm thing
2024-04-22 14:43:29	tranzistor	Khorne: well yes certainly, but the distribution set up pam rules, didn't it (:
2024-04-22 14:43:38	Khorne	tranzistor, as you might have gathered from the previous comments, graphic login as root is not recommended anyway
2024-04-22 14:43:47	tranzistor	Why not?
2024-04-22 14:43:55	brjl	A very specific PAM/GDM thing as well, yo'ure the first person I've seen who wants to log in as root in PAM
2024-04-22 14:44:03	brjl	s/PAM/GSM
2024-04-22 14:44:07	tranzistor	GDM?
2024-04-22 14:44:09	brjl	Ma va fa.
2024-04-22 14:44:22	tranzistor	yeah, i never used gdm in the past, but arch wiki recommended it for gnome
2024-04-22 14:44:22	another|	!kernelcheck
2024-04-22 14:44:23	phrik	compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2024-04-22 14:44:23	brjl	Yes. s/GSM/GDM
2024-04-22 14:44:28	tranzistor	yeah (:
2024-04-22 14:44:53	tranzistor	I also never used Gnome, but now I got this laptop with a touchscreen and it seems like the best DE for touchscreen devices ...
2024-04-22 14:45:07	tranzistor	but they do seem quite hostile towards running as root everywhere for some reason (:
2024-04-22 14:45:13	Khorne	yea for some reason :)
2024-04-22 14:45:17	brjl	"For some reason"
2024-04-22 14:45:28	another|	"for some reason" lul
2024-04-22 14:45:29	tranzistor	what?
2024-04-22 14:45:30	Khorne	I sure love my browser being able to do literally anything :)
2024-04-22 14:45:34	Khorne	for osme reason
2024-04-22 14:45:52	tranzistor	Well the most important things on my laptop are in my home dir ...
2024-04-22 14:45:52	Khorne	And Arch doesn't change the pam rules for GDM as far as I can tell
2024-04-22 14:46:00	another|	it is bad for security and safety
2024-04-22 14:46:04	tranzistor	why?
2024-04-22 14:46:08	brjl	And stability
2024-04-22 14:46:11	Khorne	tranzistor, until your browser installs them anywhere else :)
2024-04-22 14:46:20	tranzistor	it's just as bad if a maliciuos actor gets access to your special non root user you use for everything
2024-04-22 14:46:40	vycka	you dont need to root to ruin your day, remember when steam did once rm -r on home dir 
2024-04-22 14:46:59	tranzistor	I am the only user on my laptop. Someone getting code execution as some special user i use for mail, banking, browsing, office, etc is just as bad as if they get code execution as root.
2024-04-22 14:47:11	Khorne	tranzistor, I mean, you can do whatever you want with your computer
2024-04-22 14:47:20	tranzistor	exactly!
2024-04-22 14:47:28	tranzistor	but for some reason I can't login as root in GDM (:
2024-04-22 14:47:31	Khorne	But expecting spoonfeeding for fringe use cases is unreasonable
2024-04-22 14:47:33	tranzistor	so I asked for help here
2024-04-22 14:47:36	Khorne	Ok
2024-04-22 14:47:40	Khorne	Fix PAM or GDM
2024-04-22 14:47:47	tranzistor	Oh, c'mon, I have no idea how to do that ... ):
2024-04-22 14:48:15	another|	tranzistor: It's not a recommended use case. So there's intentional roadblocks in the way
2024-04-22 14:48:24	tranzistor	I think that's unreasonable
2024-04-22 14:48:32	another|	If you still want to do it against advice, you're on your own
2024-04-22 14:48:38	brjl	It's not "not recommended"
2024-04-22 14:48:48	brjl	It's explicitly suggested against
2024-04-22 14:48:55	BrainDamage	the problem is not so much security as safety, many checks are skipped if you're root
2024-04-22 14:48:57	tranzistor	Without a good reason imho
2024-04-22 14:48:58	another|	brjl: sure. was putting it midly
2024-04-22 14:49:17	BrainDamage	both for user and program errors
2024-04-22 14:49:25	brjl	It's a bad idea on every conceivable level
2024-04-22 14:49:28	tranzistor	yeah, I want to skip those checks ... i usually hack things around on my computer and with a non-root user, I'd need to constantly use some suid wrapper to access root ...l
2024-04-22 14:49:34	tranzistor	I think using a suid wrapper is even worse
2024-04-22 14:49:38	tranzistor	remmeber the sudo RCE bug?
2024-04-22 14:49:50	tranzistor	every on the system could get root access just if you had sudo installed
2024-04-22 14:49:52	Khorne	well then hack around the pam ocnfig
2024-04-22 14:50:05	Khorne	add the pam_succeed_if line somewhere after the include system-local-login
2024-04-22 14:50:08	Khorne	If it works it works
2024-04-22 14:50:13	Khorne	if it doesnt you are no worse than before
2024-04-22 14:50:16	tranzistor	pam_success_if is not anywhere in /etc/pam.d
2024-04-22 14:50:20	Khorne	ADD
2024-04-22 14:50:22	Khorne	ADD IT
2024-04-22 14:50:23	brjl	Then add it
2024-04-22 14:50:29	tranzistor	oh ...
2024-04-22 14:50:48	tranzistor	I'll try that, thanks (:
2024-04-22 14:50:59	⚡ 	brjl washes Khorne's foaming at the mouth
2024-04-22 14:51:02	Blutkoete	I prefer to run programs written by me as non-root because I don't trust myself
2024-04-22 14:51:03	Khorne	I mean I would also suggest learning how pam works but clearly authentication is little issue to you
2024-04-22 14:51:23	brjl	"Who the hell are you? Meh, doesn't matter"
2024-04-22 14:51:26	BrainDamage	also, sudo RCE? as in remote executiong? do you have a link because I cannot find from a quick search
2024-04-22 14:51:53	BrainDamage	and I cannot imagine how sudo would get exploited in a networked way
2024-04-22 14:52:15	Khorne	brjl, I mean, I'm not really sure what the expectation is
2024-04-22 14:52:40	Khorne	I also love to hand toddlers loaded guns, how else are they going to shoot themselves in the feet? 
2024-04-22 14:52:42	Khorne	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2024-04-22 14:52:49	brjl	I'm not either. But I am finding this all very amusing
2024-04-22 14:53:53	another|	Khorne: learning through pain
2024-04-22 14:55:03	tranzistor	BrainDamage: okay, not RCE, LPE would be the correct term
2024-04-22 14:55:08	tranzistor	it was around a year ago
2024-04-22 14:55:35	tranzistor	It was a bug in sudoedit (same binary).
2024-04-22 14:55:54	tranzistor	Okay, adding this "auth sufficient" line does not do the trick, not even after restarting GDM.
2024-04-22 14:56:50	Khorne	Then I suggest checking with the GDM people what is actually needed for that
2024-04-22 14:56:52	tranzistor	It is weird though that unix_chkpwd sends a message to the syslog about an auth failure for user root ...
2024-04-22 14:57:13	tranzistor	Is there a separate PAM config file for unix_chkpwd?
2024-04-22 14:57:20	tranzistor	No, right, this wouldn't make sense ...
2024-04-22 14:57:45	Khorne	Where exactly did you add the line
2024-04-22 14:59:20	ldiamond	i have a pacman session running -Syu and it is stuck at removing a package (jre openjdk 17)
2024-04-22 14:59:29	tranzistor	I would send you the file, but I can't log in as root via ssh either ...
2024-04-22 14:59:43	ldiamond	whats the tight way to get this unstuck?
2024-04-22 14:59:58	luca0N	sshd disables root login by default on Arch
2024-04-22 14:59:59	tranzistor	Oh, sshd has an option PermitRootLogin ... probably it's no by default ...
2024-04-22 15:00:05	tranzistor	yeah thanks
2024-04-22 15:00:32	tranzistor	Is PAM disabled on sshd on Arch by default?
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2024-04-22 15:57:42	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-22 15:57:42	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1447 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1446 regular)
2024-04-22 15:19:32	tranzistor	Blutkoete: yeah that was the issue for ssh login ... now ssh login works ... but i still can't wrap my head around what is gdm doing
2024-04-22 15:24:40	luca0N	well if you do find your way, consider updating the ArchWiki on that matter
2024-04-22 15:25:04	luca0N	not that I would recommend doing that, but it's always nice to have up to date information
2024-04-22 15:44:23	tranzistor	https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gdm/-/commit/7dbd9d1d8b4605966d495bc9612b81c8a374beca This commit allowed root login in 2015
2024-04-22 15:44:25	phrik	Title: fedora: allow root logins (7dbd9d1d) · Commits · GNOME / gdm · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
2024-04-22 15:45:11	tranzistor	and it only modified PAM config to _remove_ a line with content "auth        required      pam_succeed_if.so user != root quiet"
2024-04-22 15:45:30	tranzistor	But now there is no such line by default any more ... but something still disallows root logins ...
2024-04-22 15:51:38	tranzistor	How can I debug the flow of PAM authentication? I'd like to know on exactly which PAM module auth failed ... I tried touching /etc/pam_debug, but I get no additional logs in `journalctl -xe` output ... I am quite new to systemd's logging framework ...
2024-04-22 15:57:42	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-22 15:58:00	Varro	does anyone know if the nvidia driver 555 will be released on may 15
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2024-04-22 16:12:03	Khorne	Yes
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2024-04-22 16:18:43	Varro	i am confused
2024-04-22 16:18:55	Varro	what will it add, since it appears to be already in xwayland?
2024-04-22 16:18:59	Varro	https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/merge_requests/967
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2024-04-22 16:29:26	ldiamond	Alright, I killed pacman and rebooted but that messed up my boot. I use systemd-boot and I have 1 entry for memtest and 1 for archlinux, only memtest shows up now.
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2024-04-22 16:31:00	Scimmia	why in the world would you reboot?
2024-04-22 16:31:17	Scimmia	that was probably the worst thing you could possibly do
2024-04-22 16:31:22	ldiamond	I didn't really have a choice my GPU was toast and the system was hung
2024-04-22 16:31:59	ldiamond	been having issues with amdgpu restoring from sleep
2024-04-22 16:32:12	Scimmia	well now you need to boot from an external drive
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2024-04-22 16:32:20	ldiamond	I did that.
2024-04-22 16:32:28	ldiamond	Scrubbed the root drive, no error found
2024-04-22 16:32:49	Scimmia	mount everything, chroot in, finish the update, and reinstall all packages that were part of the failed update
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2024-04-22 16:34:44	ldiamond	It didn't start installing anything though
2024-04-22 16:34:49	Khorne	Varro, what are you even asking about...if we know the future? 555 is not released by nvidia yet
2024-04-22 16:34:58	ldiamond	It was stuck trying to remove a package 100% cpu usage.
2024-04-22 16:35:04	Khorne	Who knows if it will come out on may 15th or 16th or not in may at all
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2024-04-22 16:35:21	phrik	every time someone asks about a release date it is postponed by a week
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2024-04-22 16:36:13	Khorne	NetSysFire, just tell me tomorrows lottery numbers while you're at it
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2024-04-22 16:36:33	Khorne	49 or something
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2024-04-22 16:37:51	Khorne	Depends on how many tickets you buy :>
2024-04-22 16:37:54	Dazzletune	Is Arch Linux becoming more user friendly?
2024-04-22 16:38:06	Khorne	Objectively not
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2024-04-22 16:38:16	teraflops	the distro or the community?
2024-04-22 16:38:17	Dazzletune	What about "archinstall"?
2024-04-22 16:38:27	Dazzletune	Both?
2024-04-22 16:38:28	Khorne	What about it?
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2024-04-22 16:39:04	Dazzletune	NetSysFire: Uh, if you know a bit about computers, then "archinstall" can be done by an intermediate user or novice.
2024-04-22 16:39:14	Khorne	Arch used to have an installer in the past, then it didnt for a while, now it does again
2024-04-22 16:39:20	Dazzletune	NetSysFire: Then why does it exist and why is it official?
2024-04-22 16:39:25	Khorne	Was arch more friendly in the past, then it wasn't, now i s again
2024-04-22 16:39:45	Khorne	Dazzletune, because somebody spent the effort to maintain one again
2024-04-22 16:39:57	wunit	what is the metric by which we measure "user friendliness"?
2024-04-22 16:41:02	Dazzletune	How approachable it is by beginners and how much command line intervention is needed.
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2024-04-22 16:41:33	wunit	those are not very precise metrics
2024-04-22 16:41:34	phrik	Title: Frequently asked questions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-22 16:42:36	Dazzletune	NetSysFire: Depends on the user. It should be an option.
2024-04-22 16:42:58	phrik	Title: Frequently asked questions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-22 16:42:59	Dazzletune	I would argue that arch is going in that user friendly direction.
2024-04-22 16:43:11	Dazzletune	Arch is still a mostly DIY distro, but even that is starting to change.
2024-04-22 16:43:15	Scimmia	Dazzletune: it is an option. There are plenty of distros that cater to that
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2024-04-22 16:43:25	Dazzletune	There is Arco, Artix, EndveaourOS, and Manjaro.
2024-04-22 16:43:33	Dazzletune	Also ArchLabs and ArchBang.
2024-04-22 16:43:44	Foxboron	And all of them terrible
2024-04-22 16:43:49	Dazzletune	Sigh, the Arch community bashing the "easy Arch installers".
2024-04-22 16:43:53	Dazzletune	Bias.
2024-04-22 16:43:57	Dazzletune	Foxboron: Bias.
2024-04-22 16:44:01	wunit	those are separate distros
2024-04-22 16:44:05	Scimmia	Dazzletune: different distros, not Arch installers
2024-04-22 16:44:08	Foxboron	Dazzletune: Not at all.
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2024-04-22 16:44:17	Dazzletune	Oh.
2024-04-22 16:44:34	Dazzletune	But they can be converted to Arch Linux by changing the pacman mirrors.
2024-04-22 16:44:39	Scimmia	no, they can't
2024-04-22 16:44:41	Foxboron	Dazzletune: If you are going to claim "bias" and "bashing" then realizing what you are talking about would help you.
2024-04-22 16:44:43	Dazzletune	I have seen people convert Manjaro to Arch.
2024-04-22 16:44:55	Scimmia	Dazzletune: people may have claimed that, but it's bullshit
2024-04-22 16:44:57	Dazzletune	And EndevaourOS to Arch.
2024-04-22 16:45:01	Dazzletune	Nope.
2024-04-22 16:45:07	Foxboron	Dazzletune: Is any of their systems maintanble long term?
2024-04-22 16:45:12	Foxboron	maintainable*
2024-04-22 16:45:26	Dazzletune	It is not BS. Actual video evidence, but the Arch Linux community hates this due to their elitist mindset and culture.
2024-04-22 16:45:32	teraflops	Dazzletune: now consider a use case. a not-so-advanced user that never installed arch before archinstalls arch linux with e.g luks and uki ot btrfs subvols then the system start to fail...
2024-04-22 16:45:34	Dazzletune	NetSysFire: Fair enough.
2024-04-22 16:45:40	Foxboron	Dazzletune: "video evidence"
2024-04-22 16:45:47	Dazzletune	If you use Ubuntu, then do not go on the Debian forums for help.
2024-04-22 16:45:48	Scimmia	Dazzletune: ah, now we get into the elitist bullshit
2024-04-22 16:45:50	Dazzletune	Duh
2024-04-22 16:45:55	Dazzletune	No
2024-04-22 16:45:56	Scimmia	Dazzletune: any more bullshit you want to shovel?
2024-04-22 16:46:01	wunit	Dazzletune: what is the actual question you want to ask? "does arch become more user-friendly" is not a question that can be answered, it just leads to noise
2024-04-22 16:46:09	Dazzletune	They claim it works for years after the conversion.
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2024-04-22 16:46:19	Dazzletune	I am not a help vampire.
2024-04-22 16:46:23	Scimmia	no, just a troll
2024-04-22 16:46:26	Dazzletune	I want to improve Arch.
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2024-04-22 16:46:57	Foxboron	Dazzletune: I'd try a different approach then
2024-04-22 16:47:13	Dazzletune	teraflops: That is a fringe case. Most "archinstall" users will use EXT4 without LUKS encryption.
2024-04-22 16:47:24	Khorne	citation needed
2024-04-22 16:47:26	phrik	⁽ᶜⁱᵗᵃᵗⁱᵒⁿ ⁿᵉᵉᵈᵉᵈ⁾
2024-04-22 16:47:26	Foxboron	Dazzletune: and how do you know that?
2024-04-22 16:47:32	teraflops	I've seen that here before
2024-04-22 16:47:44	Dazzletune	Because "archinstall" is geared towards beginners.
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2024-04-22 16:48:33	Dazzletune	Well it is an improvement over the "classic Arch way of installing".
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2024-04-22 16:49:10	Scimmia	and your system WILL fail if you don't know how it set up. And we can't help you
2024-04-22 16:49:13	Dazzletune	I see YouTubers making tutorials on how to install Arch Linux using "archinstall".
2024-04-22 16:49:14	Dazzletune	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-mLyrHonvU
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2024-04-22 16:49:31	teraflops	all the topics
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2024-04-22 16:49:53	Dazzletune	So, "archinstall" is not supported?
2024-04-22 16:50:09	Scimmia	only if you know what you're doing
2024-04-22 16:50:30	brjl	!archinstall
2024-04-22 16:50:30	phrik	See Torxed or #archinstall
2024-04-22 16:50:41	Dazzletune	🤦‍♂️
2024-04-22 16:50:59	Dazzletune	I see Torxed.
2024-04-22 16:51:01	Dazzletune	Nice person.
2024-04-22 16:52:09	Dazzletune	I found the disclaimer.
2024-04-22 16:52:11	Dazzletune	> Note: If you're not familiar with Arch Linux or the installation process, please have a look at the comprehensive Installation Guide. Arch Linux does not come default with a graphical desktop environment.
2024-04-22 16:52:52	teraflops	DIY implies fix it yourself as well or at least as much as you can
2024-04-22 16:53:04	Dazzletune	Okay.
2024-04-22 16:53:13	hx030	https://twitter.com/sawaratsuki1004/status/1782373444233118036
2024-04-22 16:53:38	Dazzletune	Oh.
2024-04-22 16:54:03	Dazzletune	I heard that "Arch has an issue of breaking when updates are installed". What do you think?
2024-04-22 16:54:29	teraflops	it's an issue with latest nvidia drivers https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/series-550-freezes-laptop/284772/78
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2024-04-22 16:54:30	phrik	Title: Series 550 freezes laptop - #78 by 0xwojak - Linux - NVIDIA Developer Forums (at forums.developer.nvidia.com)
2024-04-22 16:54:45	Dazzletune	So should I worry about updates breaking my system?
2024-04-22 16:54:58	teraflops	are you using nvidia in a laptop?
2024-04-22 16:55:04	Khorne	I heard that arch has no issues on updates
2024-04-22 16:55:07	Khorne	Should I be not worried
2024-04-22 16:55:08	alad	Dazzletune: I recommend not using Arch
2024-04-22 16:55:13	phrik	Arch Sucks™
2024-04-22 16:55:22	Khorne	!aw
2024-04-22 16:55:23	phrik	Khorne: alw Search the arch linux wiki with alw <search>
2024-04-22 16:55:25	alad	something like Debian might be more suitable for your purposes
2024-04-22 16:55:39	Khorne	Or Windows
2024-04-22 16:55:46	Khorne	That never breaks on updates
2024-04-22 16:55:52	brjl	Imagine that!
2024-04-22 16:55:58	brjl	Windows breaking on updates!
2024-04-22 16:56:04	alad	my windows XP installed never broke on updates since it gets no updates
2024-04-22 16:56:06	⚡ 	brjl laughs and takes a shot
2024-04-22 16:56:13	Khorne	aladbrain
2024-04-22 16:56:28	Dazzletune	I use AMD.
2024-04-22 16:56:31	Khorne	Yea I hear XP is going to be EoL soon
2024-04-22 16:56:46	Dazzletune	alad: Uh, don't be mean.
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2024-04-22 16:57:30	Dazzletune	Khorne: It reached EOL in Spring of 2014.
2024-04-22 16:57:36	Khorne	Dazzletune, whaaaaaat?
2024-04-22 16:57:41	Khorne	This is brand new information to me.
2024-04-22 16:57:49	wunit	my windows xp still runs aoe 1 flawlessly, I don't wanna hear anything bad about it!!
2024-04-22 16:57:50	Dazzletune	I think you are being sarcastic.
2024-04-22 16:57:54	Dazzletune	Check Wikipedia.
2024-04-22 16:57:57	Khorne	Dazzletune, how'd you find out?
2024-04-22 16:57:58	alad	Dazzletune: you calling people elitist is mean and needlessly inflammatory, so you should find some other place for that
2024-04-22 16:58:10	Dazzletune	Ok.
2024-04-22 16:58:13	Dazzletune	I'm sorry.
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2024-04-22 17:02:59	Dazzletune	NetSysFire: Reached end of life in early 2020.
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2024-04-22 17:03:23	Dazzletune	Again, the sarcasm is obvious and inappropriate.
2024-04-22 17:03:34	Dazzletune	Obviously no.
2024-04-22 17:03:45	Dazzletune	The sarcasm is obvious and dumb.
2024-04-22 17:04:06	Dazzletune	Anyone with half a brain and an internet connection knows that Windows XP and Windows 7 are EOL.
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2024-04-22 17:04:27	Dazzletune	I said I was sorry.
2024-04-22 17:04:39	teraflops	they apologized and you insisted on it
2024-04-22 17:04:46	teraflops	NetSysFire^
2024-04-22 17:04:49	Dazzletune	Did they apologized.
2024-04-22 17:04:51	Dazzletune	I apologized.
2024-04-22 17:05:01	Dazzletune	Did they apologized?
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2024-04-22 17:12:59	susi-	sometimes upgrading warrants manual intervention, not just merging pacnews (configuration changes) but occassionally some extra steps, should follow archlinux.org/news
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2024-04-22 17:14:17	Dazzletune	Yeah, I figured.
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2024-04-22 17:43:07	pxrb	Hello, i'm having a problem with ssh-agent. I have added `eval $(ssh-agent) >/dev/null` to my .zshrc so that SSH remembers my key password, but after i close the shell and open it again, it asks me for my password again. i have ran `ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_ed25519`.
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2024-04-22 17:47:00	wunit	pxrb: that command sets environment variables that then only apply to that interactive shell instance, not your entire session, so other interactive zsh instances won't know about them
2024-04-22 17:47:32	pxrb	Yes, i know, my question is, what is the "correct and working" way to do it?
2024-04-22 17:47:32	wunit	how do you log into your session? (display manager, from the console, ...)
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2024-04-22 17:47:37	pxrb	display manager
2024-04-22 17:47:38	pxrb	sddm
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2024-04-22 17:55:38	Gnana	starprompt shows after running bash like this https://pastebin.com/3dZDEDR1
2024-04-22 17:55:39	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/Xodd.txt
2024-04-22 17:55:40	phrik	Title: Box101 ~]$ // Why its running bash ?~❯ - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-04-22 17:55:41	Gnana	?
2024-04-22 17:56:19	susi-	it's a valid question
2024-04-22 17:56:38	jelle	starprompt?
2024-04-22 17:56:47	Gnana	starship lol
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2024-04-22 17:57:09	jelle	and?
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2024-04-22 17:57:19	susi-	maybe you are initializing it wrong ... 
2024-04-22 17:57:26	susi-	for a wrong shell
2024-04-22 17:57:43	Gnana	# Use starship bash prompt if starship is installed
2024-04-22 17:57:45	Gnana	[[ -x $(command -v starship) ]] && eval "$(starship init bash)"
2024-04-22 17:57:50	Gnana	bashrc
2024-04-22 17:57:52	Gnana	^
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2024-04-22 17:58:01	jelle	and command -v startship returns
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2024-04-22 17:58:57	Gnana	do you guys use startship?
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2024-04-22 17:59:22	susi-	take that [[ -x ]] thingie away, it's not working like you assume 
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2024-04-22 18:00:35	jelle	what is starship
2024-04-22 18:00:35	Gnana	hmm did not working
2024-04-22 18:00:52	Gnana	prompt faster as i herad
2024-04-22 18:01:01	jelle	herad?
2024-04-22 18:01:13	Gnana	listiening from website
2024-04-22 18:01:22	Gnana	does really worth 
2024-04-22 18:01:24	Gnana	?
2024-04-22 18:01:26	jelle	Gnana: eval "$(starship init bash)"
2024-04-22 18:01:31	jelle	is literally on the website :)
2024-04-22 18:02:08	Gnana	still same issue
2024-04-22 18:03:02	jelle	Gnana: do you re-source?
2024-04-22 18:03:16	Gnana	re-source means?
2024-04-22 18:03:19	jelle	source .bashrc
2024-04-22 18:03:24	pxrb	wunit: if you can find a fix then please message it to me
2024-04-22 18:03:26	pxrb	i have to go
2024-04-22 18:03:27	Gnana	im opening new terminal
2024-04-22 18:03:31	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-22 18:03:40	Gnana	its wezterm
2024-04-22 18:03:42	Gnana	btw
2024-04-22 18:03:45	Gnana	:D
2024-04-22 18:03:52	Gnana	alacritty works fine
2024-04-22 18:03:53	jelle	does not really matter
2024-04-22 18:03:57	Gnana	ok
2024-04-22 18:04:05	Gnana	do not know
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2024-04-22 18:04:25	wunit	pxrb: tbh I don't know the "correct" way of starting the ssh-agent either (I have my own hacky way), I just thought with some more info, someone else might be able to help :-)
2024-04-22 18:05:13	jelle	Gnana: btw "does not work" as a reaction is getting a bit old :)
2024-04-22 18:05:19	Gnana	hmm i need do research on it,
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2024-04-22 18:05:26	Gnana	okay 
2024-04-22 18:05:33	jelle	Gnana: anyway, are you using bash?
2024-04-22 18:05:40	susi-	sit surely does not make your prompt faster than it would be without it
2024-04-22 18:05:40	Gnana	yes
2024-04-22 18:05:48	jelle	Gnana: then run eval "$(starship init bash)"
2024-04-22 18:05:51	jelle	and it should just work
2024-04-22 18:06:27	jelle	lol
2024-04-22 18:06:42	jelle	quality prompt can't handle linux.git
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2024-04-22 18:07:47	teraflops	I see it has crabs 
2024-04-22 18:07:56	Gnana	im going to leave the starship prompt, coming back bash now
2024-04-22 18:08:09	jelle	Gnana: can't you just try what I did?
2024-04-22 18:09:00	Gnana	yes it did 
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2024-04-22 18:09:03	Gnana	did not worked
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2024-04-22 18:09:11	jelle	Gnana: pacman -Q starship
2024-04-22 18:09:27	◥	mgariepy (~mgariepy@user/mgariepy) has joined #archlinux
2024-04-22 18:09:28	jelle	Gnana: and echo $SHELL
2024-04-22 18:09:31	Gnana	https://termbin.com/zc07
2024-04-22 18:09:43	Gnana	starship 1.18.2-2
2024-04-22 18:09:52	Gnana	/usr/bin/bash
2024-04-22 18:10:06	Gnana	sorry i comment it
2024-04-22 18:10:20	jelle	yes
2024-04-22 18:10:31	Gnana	its still same
2024-04-22 18:10:35	jp	Gnana: put that at the end of your .bashrc, the PS1 line is also useless since this will set your PS1
2024-04-22 18:10:50	jelle	Gnana: you did not listen to what I said :)
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2024-04-22 18:11:30	Gnana	i have install starship and i have add eval starship line to .bashrc commented  $PS1 , did nto worked
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2024-04-22 18:12:03	wunit	Gnana: that was not what was asked
2024-04-22 18:12:21	teraflops	Gnana: you did install it with pacman or you did grab the binary as suggested in their site?
2024-04-22 18:12:27	Gnana	pacman
2024-04-22 18:12:40	jelle	Gnana: run eval "$(starship init bash)" in a bash shell
2024-04-22 18:12:42	Gnana	tried also from website
2024-04-22 18:13:01	Gnana	 eval "$(starship init bash) its working
2024-04-22 18:13:11	teraflops	\o/
2024-04-22 18:13:13	wunit	surprised_pikachu.jpg
2024-04-22 18:13:16	Gnana	lol
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2024-04-22 18:13:25	teraflops	!surprisedpikachu
2024-04-22 18:13:25	phrik	https://paste.priet.us/suprised_pikachu.jpg
2024-04-22 18:13:43	jelle	Gnana: so it's your .bashrc
2024-04-22 18:13:54	Gnana	yes
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2024-04-22 18:14:29	jelle	glas we sorted that out :-)
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2024-04-22 18:15:10	Gnana	im going back bash shell its not working, also i do not why im running for it. bash is good for now. 
2024-04-22 18:15:26	Gnana	thanks for you time. :)
2024-04-22 18:15:32	jelle	ok, well never going to help you again :)
2024-04-22 18:15:36	Gnana	lol
2024-04-22 18:15:38	mefistofeles	!next
2024-04-22 18:15:38	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2024-04-22 18:20:21	anrxc	will archlinux be among the first to drop xorg for wayland?
2024-04-22 18:21:14	Scimmia	no
2024-04-22 18:22:17	kurtosis	anrxc:  why tell end users what they can and cannot run?
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2024-04-22 18:23:31	anrxc	you tell me. they dropped sysv for systemd with some strong opinions on what is "the future"
2024-04-22 18:23:48	HuntsMan	that does not change what you can or cannot run
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2024-04-22 18:26:46	anrxc	did anyone invent slackware with pacman yet?
2024-04-22 18:26:56	anrxc	that would be ideal fallback option
2024-04-22 18:27:04	jelle	anrxc: for when X is removed?
2024-04-22 18:27:09	anrxc	yes
2024-04-22 18:27:36	jelle	that is a very strange opinion
2024-04-22 18:27:59	anrxc	they just move a little slower.  buy your workstation at the job few years
2024-04-22 18:28:02	teraflops	anrxc: Pacman is a distro-agnostic package manager
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2024-04-22 18:28:36	jelle	anrxc: no, wanting to never move to wayland is a bit weird
2024-04-22 18:28:39	anrxc	bosses don't want to hear on monday morning your X forwarding stopped working 
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2024-04-22 18:29:42	jelle	anrxc: so how do you deal with kernel updates then
2024-04-22 18:30:37	anrxc	on your free time, and as you point out, those actions already take a chunk out of your weekend
2024-04-22 18:31:18	jelle	sounds like work time to me :)
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2024-04-22 18:32:04	anrxc	we certify Ubuntu only. one is allowed to use Arch but "You are on your own" :)
2024-04-22 18:32:13	anrxc	so no excuses allowed :)
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2024-04-22 18:32:51	anrxc	anyway, thanks for the answers/assistance
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2024-04-22 18:37:22	teraflops	btw, ssh x forwarding works with xwayland ;)
2024-04-22 18:37:56	mefistofeles	X is here to stay, it's now a core component of wayland xD
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2024-04-22 18:40:54	Warepire	Running Arch on develop machines should be mandatory.
2024-04-22 18:41:14	mefistofeles	Warepire: it's convenient, overall. Until it's not
2024-04-22 18:41:21	⚡ 	Warepire finds all the "new version issues" before they become a problem at $WORK
2024-04-22 18:41:55	mefistofeles	Warepire: the problem is when the "new version issues" stop you from doing your work
2024-04-22 18:41:58	mefistofeles	:P
2024-04-22 18:43:01	bertptrs	either they stop you for minutes at a time every week, or they stop you for weeks at a time every few years
2024-04-22 18:43:06	bertptrs	they'll stop you anyway
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2024-04-22 18:44:53	teraflops	apt dist-upgrade ^
2024-04-22 18:47:15	neys	good morning, everyone! i did a full system update (pacman -Syu) which updated ncurses, kwin and libmped2 without errors, but now i can no longer login. bash and zsh core dump. same when booting from installer and trying to chroot. any ideas how to fix that?
2024-04-22 18:48:23	mefistofeles	oh wow, great timing on that one haha
2024-04-22 18:48:41	◥	hollowman (~hollowman@openSUSE/member/hollowman) has joined #archlinux
2024-04-22 18:48:43	gromit	neys: I think having a look at the coredump would be good to see what makes it crash 
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2024-04-22 18:49:23	gromit	neys: do you remember having something -git or similar installed from the aur? its likely that something was built against an old version of ncurses and did not get the rebuild since it's not part of the official packags
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2024-04-22 18:53:46	neys	gromit: no packages from aur. coredumpctl list does show only /usr/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 which has the same size as the one from the system i am writing from
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2024-04-22 18:54:43	gromit	neys: could you copy the coredump from the system and examine it with gdb? 
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2024-04-22 18:56:05	neys	gromit: reinstalling ncurses would be nice, but how to do that without chroot?
2024-04-22 18:56:05	neys	i will get the dump and check with gdb.
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2024-04-22 18:58:07	gromit	neys: you can maybe use pacman with the --sysroot/--root option? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Using_an_external_pacman
2024-04-22 18:58:07	bertptrs	neys: pacman -S --root from the installer
2024-04-22 18:58:08	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-22 18:58:51	gromit	neys: reinstalling ncurses will probably not do it (if the upgrade was not interrupted), I think its rather some dependant
2024-04-22 19:01:53	vikn	Hi all, this is mostly about Radicale but there is some file system stuff going on so I believe this has to do with Arch.
2024-04-22 19:02:00	vikn	 I am trying to get Radicale to run on 127.0.0.1 but it keeps failing with the following error: Invalid configuration: Invalid option 'pid' in section 'server' in config file '/etc/radicale/config'
2024-04-22 19:02:22	vikn	the file in question lists the following:
2024-04-22 19:02:56	vikn	pid = /run/radicale.pid
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2024-04-22 19:03:22	BrainDamage	there's no such entry in my radicale config, perhaps you didn't merge a stale pacnew?
2024-04-22 19:04:07	vikn	BrainDamage: I just installed it recently, so that shouldn't be the case.
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2024-04-22 19:04:16	vikn	But I haven't tried removing it yet!
2024-04-22 19:04:39	Warepire	The official documentation lists the configuration option as valid in daemon mode
2024-04-22 19:04:49	Warepire	https://radicale.org/v2.html#pid
2024-04-22 19:04:51	phrik	Title: Radicale v2 Documentation (at radicale.org)
2024-04-22 19:04:56	vikn	Ah but that's v2 right?
2024-04-22 19:05:02	Warepire	Yes
2024-04-22 19:05:17	vikn	I have been looking at v3 all the time, where they don't even mention this `pid` directive.
2024-04-22 19:06:08	Warepire	I see, v3 does not list pid as a configuration option
2024-04-22 19:06:13	Warepire	https://radicale.org/v3.html#configuration
2024-04-22 19:06:15	phrik	Title: Radicale v3 Documentation (at radicale.org)
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2024-04-22 19:07:17	BrainDamage	I double checked and there's no pid entry in current arch's radicale config either
2024-04-22 19:07:58	Scimmia	vikn: https://github.com/Kozea/Radicale/blob/v3.1.9/config
2024-04-22 19:08:07	Scimmia	so where did you get that pid entry?
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2024-04-22 19:09:35	vikn	I think I was naughty and used an outdated blogpost on setting up Radicale and just copied this pid thing from there.
2024-04-22 19:10:28	vikn	Yeah it seems I really need to re-do the config because now it lists another bad directive in `journalctl`.
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2024-04-22 19:10:46	vikn	I guess I'm going to re-write my config with the official v3 documentation
2024-04-22 19:10:57	vikn	Thanks for pointing me in the right direction guys!
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2024-04-22 19:13:52	kuiperanon	Hi. When I try to open qjackctl, I get this error: Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (6.6.3) with this library (6.7.0). How do I downgrade my QT library? I upgraded the package to 6.7.0 recently
2024-04-22 19:14:25	kuiperanon	qt6-base is the package I think
2024-04-22 19:15:13	kuiperanon	 oh, here it explains it... https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/downgrading_packages
2024-04-22 19:15:14	phrik	Title: Downgrading packages - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-22 19:15:27	gromit	kuiperanon: why dont you do a full system upgrade? 
2024-04-22 19:15:33	kuiperanon	ok
2024-04-22 19:15:42	kuiperanon	I'll do that and see what happens
2024-04-22 19:16:03	kuiperanon	On a separate note, I've been having problems connecting to the mirrors recently. Sometimes they time out
2024-04-22 19:16:20	kuiperanon	especially mirror.hackingand.coffee
2024-04-22 19:16:31	kuiperanon	Idk how to remove a bad mirror
2024-04-22 19:17:00	Warepire	edit /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
2024-04-22 19:17:03	kuiperanon	thanks
2024-04-22 19:17:17	Warepire	Or better yet, run reflector on it to get a selection of mirrors that are good for you
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2024-04-22 19:18:01	kuiperanon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/reflector ok I'll try it, thanks
2024-04-22 19:18:02	phrik	Title: Reflector - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-22 19:18:03	vikn	BrainDamage: Scimmia: Finally! Radicale works! My config simply was shit...
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2024-04-22 19:21:07	neys	gromit: thanks a lot! due to a full disk, pacman did not write all *.so correctly. i reinstalled ncurses with pacman -S --root ... --cachedir ... and can login again!
2024-04-22 19:21:31	gromit	neys: uh very nice, that fix was easier than I thought!
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2024-04-22 19:24:31	gromit	neys: does pacman on the fixed system work again? you might have to remove db.lock
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2024-04-22 19:28:50	ju	is debuginfo service down? im getting "Download failed: Connection reset by peer." errors since yesterday 
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2024-04-22 19:30:18	kuiperanon`	Ok so now, I need help setting up my jack audio. 
2024-04-22 19:30:28	neys	gromit: yes, it does. pacman did not report any problems during the first full update. i do experience that problem on my systems. if root is (almost) full, pacman finishes successful, but some shared objects are broken. pacman -Sc and reinstalling the packages always helps. just never had the problem to login, so thanks for pointing me to pacman --root.
2024-04-22 19:31:15	kuiperanon`	Does anyone have like an article link or something with a nice way to set up audio so that you can use jack alongside firefox
2024-04-22 19:31:52	BrainDamage	you want pipewire
2024-04-22 19:32:08	kuiperanon`	ok, I'll read the pipewire wiki page if it exists
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2024-04-22 19:32:39	kuiperanon`	in all my time using linux, I never felt comfortable with how to setup the audio
2024-04-22 19:32:41	kuiperanon`	lol
2024-04-22 19:33:15	BrainDamage	yes, it's a mess
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2024-04-22 19:33:54	kuiperanon`	I guess that means it's not just me
2024-04-22 19:34:27	BrainDamage	no, it's pretty much an estabilished fact, and it was due to decisions that date to the early 2000s
2024-04-22 19:34:44	kuiperanon`	i never tried pipewire, hopefully that gives me something that works
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2024-04-22 19:47:47	kuiperanon	I'm back. is the archwiki down?
2024-04-22 19:47:54	kuiperanon	nvm, it just took a while to load one time.
2024-04-22 19:48:50	kuiperanon	So after I install pipewire and pipewire-jack, how do I configure and run jack? I want it to work with my scarlett 2i2.
2024-04-22 19:49:01	kuiperanon	also I installed wireplumber. 
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2024-04-22 21:18:28	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-22 21:18:28	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1455 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1454 regular)
2024-04-22 20:11:31	Foxboron	Anyone running grub on UEFI that can give me the output of ls /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/Loader*
2024-04-22 20:12:01	Dazzletune	Use "systemd-boot".
2024-04-22 20:12:12	Dazzletune	Its better for UEFI.
2024-04-22 20:12:14	Foxboron	Dazzletune: Not helpfull
2024-04-22 20:14:50	Namarrgon	The two grub systems i still have don't have any Loader* entries
2024-04-22 20:15:08	Foxboron	Argh
2024-04-22 20:15:10	Foxboron	!flip
2024-04-22 20:15:10	phrik	(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
2024-04-22 20:15:33	Foxboron	And here I *thought* they had fixed their BLI stuff
2024-04-22 20:15:45	Foxboron	BLS, maybe
2024-04-22 20:15:56	Namarrgon	specs are soooo~ optional
2024-04-22 20:27:29	jclsn	Can't mount an NTFS 1TB USB drive, although ntfs-3g is installed
2024-04-22 20:27:55	Namarrgon	What error do you get?
2024-04-22 20:28:24	susi-	does it set anything but loaderdevicepartuuid
2024-04-22 20:28:27	jclsn	Oh seems to be a KDE issue
2024-04-22 20:28:33	jclsn	Works with manual mount
2024-04-22 20:28:37	jclsn	hmpf
2024-04-22 20:28:52	jclsn	Namarrgon: Wrong fs type, bad superblock
2024-04-22 20:28:57	jclsn	Usually it should autodetect
2024-04-22 20:29:29	Namarrgon	uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2024-04-22 20:30:55	susi-	we need --needsreboot for pacman, that does these comparisons and more
2024-04-22 20:31:39	jclsn	6.8.7-arch1-1
2024-04-22 20:31:41	jclsn	linux 6.8.7.arch1-1
2024-04-22 20:31:59	jclsn	Kernel update?
2024-04-22 20:32:13	jclsn	I know docker has problems, but mounting I didn't
2024-04-22 20:32:26	Namarrgon	The versions match, so it's not that.
2024-04-22 20:33:31	Warepire	jclsn: When you mounted it manually, did you specify type?
2024-04-22 20:35:37	jclsn	Warepire: Yep
2024-04-22 20:36:02	Warepire	jclsn: If you don't specify type manually, does it mount manually as well, or do you get an error?
2024-04-22 20:36:43	jclsn	Warepire: Haven't tried. Currently copying files from it, which is taking ages btw
2024-04-22 20:37:49	Warepire	I'm asking because I recently had to backup a few USB sticks created on Windows XP (yes, very old), and they said "unknown filesystem type 'ntfs'." when mounting without specifying type
2024-04-22 20:38:04	jclsn	11 MiB/s via USB...
2024-04-22 20:38:08	Warepire	Because ntfs-3g only auto-picks ntfs3
2024-04-22 20:38:37	jclsn	Not sure what I created it with
2024-04-22 20:39:00	jclsn	It was hanging on my router, which only supports FAT and NTFS filesystems
2024-04-22 20:39:17	jclsn	Supid Fritz.Box
2024-04-22 20:40:00	jclsn	I should get an N100 board and use OpenWRT
2024-04-22 20:40:51	⚡ 	MrElendig suggest opnsense instead
2024-04-22 20:41:03	jclsn	Why?
2024-04-22 20:41:16	MrElendig	sane upgrades, well maintained
2024-04-22 20:41:25	jclsn	Okay thanks
2024-04-22 20:42:15	MrElendig	too bad vyos is basically dead :/
2024-04-22 20:42:46	jclsn	Ooh the FritzBox supports ext4
2024-04-22 20:42:51	jclsn	Did not know that
2024-04-22 20:43:13	jclsn	Okay, you are not stupid
2024-04-22 20:46:51	gromit	susi-: that would rather be a candidate for a hook
2024-04-22 21:11:40	Furai	Can anyone with Gnome DE using x11 check a thing for me? Please launch gnome calculator and check if all the icons on it are missing for you until you hover over them. Something weird is going on on my end.
2024-04-22 21:18:30	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-22 21:20:21	Furai	Seems that some gtk4 apps are affected.
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2024-04-22 21:23:49	Furai	Even debug (accessible through ctrl+shift+d) has missing text and icons. Weird stuff.
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2024-04-22 21:32:02	Furai	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=294177
2024-04-22 21:32:02	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Gtk4 apps render problems after last gnome 46 update / Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-04-22 21:32:11	Furai	Mkey, found my solution.
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2024-04-22 21:48:12	topcat001	Foxboron: My UEFI grub has two Loader entries.
2024-04-22 21:48:32	Foxboron	topcat001: which ones?
2024-04-22 21:48:53	topcat001	/sys/firmware/efi/efivars/LoaderDevicePartUUID-4a67b082-0a4c-41cf-b6c7-440b29bb8c4f  /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/LoaderInfo-4a67b082-0a4c-41cf-b6c7-440b29bb8c4f
2024-04-22 21:50:20	topcat001	My other grub machine is currently offline but I can check it later.
2024-04-22 21:50:54	Foxboron	Ah, not super usefull for my purpose :/ thanks thought!
2024-04-22 21:51:18	post-factum	fwupd[203295]: Failed to load daemon: syscall filtering is configured but not working
2024-04-22 21:51:23	post-factum	interesting
2024-04-22 21:53:17	post-factum	1.9.16-1 works, 1.9.17-1 doesn't
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2024-04-22 22:01:03	brocellous	post-factum: I've got the same fwupd error
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2024-04-22 22:03:36	manuels	are there any Qt platform themes for gnome out there in the wild?
2024-04-22 22:03:43	manuels	i knwo QGnomePlatform
2024-04-22 22:03:46	manuels	but it is dead
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2024-04-22 22:04:18	post-factum	brocellous: https://github.com/fwupd/fwupd/issues/7144 feel free to +1
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2024-04-22 22:07:26	gromit	post-factum: thanks for opening the upstream bug, can also confirm
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2024-04-22 23:25:25	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-23 00:08:08	Strykar	MrElendig: vyos is quite popular amongst DN42 routers, surprised to hear its dying
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2024-04-23 01:26:12	⚡ 	Strykar gives up on getting the Ryzen iGPU to work with a secondary monitor alongside Nvidia + Wayland. buggy af
2024-04-23 01:35:27	RadioAddition_	is it possible to install pacstrap on an actual arch install and not a live environment?
2024-04-23 01:35:52	Namarrgon	Sure
2024-04-23 01:36:25	RadioAddition_	nevermind found the package
2024-04-23 01:36:36	Namarrgon	Though pacstrap is just wrapping pacman so you have to type less.
2024-04-23 01:36:51	RadioAddition_	i was looking for pacstrap in the repos not realizing it was under the arch-install-scripts package
2024-04-23 01:56:05	RadioAddition_	nah that's on a separate partition
2024-04-23 01:56:45	RadioAddition_	i'm dualbooting arch and artix to see if I want to switch permanently or not
2024-04-23 01:57:00	RadioAddition_	also i still have the regular arch repos enabled on the artix install
2024-04-23 02:00:24	ian|	i've ran systemd for 8 years and can't remember when it failed
2024-04-23 02:01:02	ian|	whether it's 'secure' is a different matter, if you consider LoC
2024-04-23 02:02:34	Namarrgon	pipewire
2024-04-23 02:03:13	Namarrgon	RadioAddition_: if this isn't about arch then please seek help in that distro's channel
2024-04-23 02:03:29	RadioAddition_	ian| it's not even about that for me, I just tried openrc at one point wanting to learn gentoo and i ended up preferring it. I don't have any problems with systemd, I'm just more comfortable with openrc
2024-04-23 02:03:50	RadioAddition_	Namarrgon no worries, it was an arch question
2024-04-23 02:04:51	Namarrgon	Somebody does but if you don't have a good reason then you shouldn't.
2024-04-23 02:08:10	phrik	Title: Sound system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-23 02:10:03	Namarrgon	That's your response to everything, isn't it?
2024-04-23 02:10:29	Namarrgon	oss is gone, it doesn't need more mentions on the wiki.
2024-04-23 02:16:57	Namarrgon	Nobody called or implied anyone to be inferior.
2024-04-23 02:18:15	Namarrgon	From your time here it is obvious that you're not good at seeking out or reading documentation.
2024-04-23 02:18:36	demure	"the wiki could be better" -> submit the proposed edit?
2024-04-23 02:54:09	Th3Mafia	I installed Arch today on a new laptop. I keep having to run xset r rate 275 50 over and over. The laptop isn't suspending, etc. I'm running i3 and have not experienced this with my other laptops and virtually identical configuration. I have no idea where to look to figure out what's going on
2024-04-23 03:04:48	demure	Th3Mafia: can you manually suspend the laptop?
2024-04-23 03:08:12	⚡ 	mefistofeles lift his laptop with his hands and suspends it mid air
2024-04-23 03:08:50	Th3Mafia	Yes, I can with systemctl suspend
2024-04-23 03:14:12	gehidore	mefistofeles no joke my l450 will suspend if you don't hold it right with the lid fully open, hits me all the time when I use it on my lap
2024-04-23 04:45:12	edu4rdshl	Th3Mafia, then why you say it isn't suspending but it's
2024-04-23 06:01:51	cloudowind	gehidore: my t430 does somthing similar , i need to hold the screen in order to get a display i think flex cable damaged :/ but fair enough after 15 years of usage 100times of fall ..
2024-04-23 07:21:15	gehidore	cloudowind I figure the same with mine
2024-04-23 07:21:51	gehidore	Sometimes the screen only blanks with the backlight shutting off but others the machine detects lid closed event
2024-04-23 07:22:02	gehidore	And suspends
2024-04-23 08:35:31	chovy	i upgraded everything yesterday and now when i shut my lid and then open it later, it doesn't come back up. OS seems to have crashed with a buffer error
2024-04-23 08:55:20	solsTiCe	hi. that's weird. today, i can't load any site in chromium as if my connection was down. but that works fine in firefox?!
2024-04-23 08:56:32	Gnana	i have just inalled brave browser
2024-04-23 08:56:44	chovy	solsTiCe: that's weird
2024-04-23 08:57:00	Gnana	do anyone know how set dpi scale setting in brave?
2024-04-23 08:57:07	chovy	chromium works fine for me on kde
2024-04-23 08:57:21	Gnana	chromium is safe?
2024-04-23 08:58:38	raster	nothing is safe....
2024-04-23 09:02:50	Gnana	Hello
2024-04-23 09:04:30	raster	ganome:  and for scaling - i think xft.dpi stuff will do it ... or was it xsettings?
2024-04-23 09:04:46	Gnana	no
2024-04-23 09:04:55	Gnana	im using wayland-hyprland
2024-04-23 09:05:01	raster	either way... i made my wm take care of that and setting those values based on my scale factors (which can be calculated from dpi or whatever i live)
2024-04-23 09:05:06	raster	oh wayland
2024-04-23 09:05:09	raster	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2024-04-23 09:05:13	Gnana	hehe
2024-04-23 09:05:55	solsTiCe	that seemed to be because f ubloc origin?
2024-04-23 09:06:22	Gnana	?
2024-04-23 09:09:11	Gnana	is there something like about:config like chromium
2024-04-23 09:09:13	Gnana	?
2024-04-23 09:09:15	Gnana	for brave
2024-04-23 09:12:14	Khorne	Probably, check the brave documentation
2024-04-23 09:13:26	cloudowind	Gnana: there is a chatgpt in   #rebel 
2024-04-23 09:13:46	Gnana	ok
2024-04-23 09:19:17	xx	if I run the eject command for a usb drive, but don't power off the port, is there some uneject command?
2024-04-23 09:52:12	chovy	brave is based on chromium i think
2024-04-23 10:22:41	grawity	xx: you could try `eject --trayclose` or `sg_start --load` but I'd be surprised if the usb stick paid attention
2024-04-23 10:24:09	xx	it didn't, but thanks
2024-04-23 10:27:46	grawity	well, sg_start --load was the closest to "uneject" that there is
2024-04-23 10:27:53	grawity	your next option is probably to powercycle the port
2024-04-23 10:28:00	grawity	or maybe no, reset the USB device
2024-04-23 10:28:39	grawity	usb_modeswitch -R, or usbutils has usbreset
2024-04-23 10:37:26	terzievk	Do you use pacman to get intel-oneapi-basekit for vtune?
2024-04-23 10:37:37	Khorne	No
2024-04-23 10:38:03	terzievk	Khorne:  why?
2024-04-23 10:38:17	Khorne	Because I don't need it
2024-04-23 10:45:13	terzievk	I want to get vtune and usually pacman is the go-to but intel-oneapi-basekit feels weird... So why does the package exist when it uses the intel documentation installer and doesn't give the out-of-the-box ready-to-use experience anyways? 
2024-04-23 10:45:58	Khorne	What's weird?
2024-04-23 10:46:08	terzievk	Is it like the haskell situation?
2024-04-23 10:47:22	terzievk	It doesn't install the sampling drivers needed plus doesn't set the environments, except for "low level libs"
2024-04-23 10:53:14	Khorne	Looks like the PKGBUILD does exactly what the upstream installation instructions recommend
2024-04-23 10:57:09	terzievk	maybe something flew over my head
2024-04-23 10:57:29	jelle	well blender works oobx
2024-04-23 11:10:36	Khorne	I still dont know what the issue is 
2024-04-23 11:10:42	Khorne	Did they not read the post install message?
2024-04-23 11:22:02	Th3Mafia	edu4rdshl: I meant that xset is not getting reset because of a suspend function. Sorry that wasn't more clear
2024-04-23 13:22:08	baltazar	hi! is there a nice way to install arch with the same setup on many computers? like a custom archiso that runs a script automatically or something
2024-04-23 13:22:36	consus	I have a vpn to my workplace and I want to force networkmanager to stop this vpn connnection if I'm connected to my workspace wifi
2024-04-23 13:22:39	consus	any way to do that?
2024-04-23 13:22:54	grawity	hook scripts (NetworkManager-dispatcher)
2024-04-23 13:22:59	Namarrgon	baltazar: Look at the archinstall framework.
2024-04-23 13:23:15	consus	grawity: the only way?
2024-04-23 13:23:25	consus	grawity: no config options?
2024-04-23 13:29:31	baltazar	Namarrgon: so this would allow me to create a json file that describes the installation I want and I'd have to boot an archiso on every machine and run archinstall --config whatever.json on each?
2024-04-23 13:34:49	Namarrgon	baltazar: Something like that, yes.
2024-04-23 13:35:10	brutusmcforce	sounds like what you really want is nixos
2024-04-23 13:35:49	Namarrgon	If you install nixos you will end up with nixos, not arch.
2024-04-23 13:35:49	baltazar	and is there a way to modify the archiso to run that automatically?
2024-04-23 13:36:59	rcf	consus: without using dispatcher, it's really only easy to do the opposite (start a VPN when you're on a given network). 
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2024-04-23 15:47:58	savolla	I'm having problems when auto mounting drives. especially NTFS. when I'm on GNOME, everything works flawlessly. but when I switch to my primary wm shich is dwm, Thunar file manager spits "cannot mount", "bad super block" type of errors... 
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2024-04-23 15:49:04	mpan	savolla: can you cite the exact error? Also, are you sure that the issue is with the environment used and not that you updated kernel modules in meantime?
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2024-04-23 16:09:30	SysGhost	baltazar: maybe ansible is the key here?
2024-04-23 16:10:07	SysGhost	something along these lines: https://github.com/linuxpiper/ansible-arch-setup
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2024-04-23 16:17:33	Soni	is there a way to throttle a disk?
2024-04-23 16:17:54	SysGhost	what needs throttling? read/write speed? space usage?
2024-04-23 16:18:18	Soni	SSD is too fast, might cause issues in a RAID with HDDs
2024-04-23 16:18:34	jelle	explain
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2024-04-23 16:18:36	SysGhost	sounds like there should be a better solution.
2024-04-23 16:18:41	jelle	you have a raid 1 with SSD and a HDD?
2024-04-23 16:19:06	Soni	RAID6 with one SSD and 3 HDDs
2024-04-23 16:19:27	Soni	they have completely different I/O performance from eachother
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2024-04-23 16:20:01	SysGhost	what happens that isn't desired?
2024-04-23 16:20:01	jelle	and you think the kernel would come back before partiy is written everywhere?
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2024-04-23 16:23:02	Soni	we haven't had an issue, we have yet to set it up even, but ppl said if the speeds aren't matched the raid controller (software raid, in this case) might complain about some I/O being faster than the rest
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2024-04-23 16:24:09	SysGhost	raid with linux should handle it fine afaik. I can understand the worry as some hardware based raid controller IC's aren't the best at that kind of variation.
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2024-04-23 16:24:49	SysGhost	some try to be "smart" and detects the slower drives as "malfunctioning"
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2024-04-23 16:25:55	terzievk	How to install the sampling drivers for vtune from intel-openapi-basekit?
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2024-04-23 16:26:52	Soni	(ideally it would be possible to set a threshold for "slower", honestly, so that it does warn about *too* slow, but we guess I/O timeouts cover that?)
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2024-04-23 16:29:43	terzievk	https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/docs/vtune-profiler/user-guide/2024-1/build-install-sampling-drivers-for-linux-targets.html there is this but arch is not officially supported and I don't want to mess up my system with following blindly instructions for some other distro
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2024-04-23 16:37:00	terzievk	Couldn't find any documentation/guide for vtune on arch. Is it even usable or should I install some other distro/os for vtune?
2024-04-23 16:37:43	jelle	terzievk: you mean /opt/intel/oneapi/vtune/2024.0/bin64/vtune?
2024-04-23 16:37:53	SysGhost	maybe you could make a custom dkms package, using the instructions given on that link?
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2024-04-23 16:39:49	terzievk	jelle: vtune-gui
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2024-04-23 16:40:57	jelle	terzievk: anyway this is arch, either you figure it out or even better you write the wiki page
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2024-04-23 16:51:19	terzievk	that sucks
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2024-04-23 16:52:05	Khorne	!as
2024-04-23 16:52:05	phrik	Arch Sucks™
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2024-04-23 16:52:11	Erus_Iluvatar	!ass
2024-04-23 16:52:12	phrik	Arch *Strategically* Sucks™
2024-04-23 16:52:16	Khorne	Nice
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2024-04-23 16:52:30	alad	!arse
2024-04-23 16:52:31	phrik	Arch really sucks exceptionally
2024-04-23 16:52:40	Erus_Iluvatar	Tbh it only suck to be the first to write the Wiki page, it's awesome for everyone after that 
2024-04-23 16:52:48	Khorne	!bum
2024-04-23 16:52:48	phrik	Khorne: No idea
2024-04-23 16:52:52	Khorne	shame
2024-04-23 16:52:55	Khorne	alad get to it
2024-04-23 16:52:56	alad	when you install an operating system called Arse Linux, you get exactly what's written on the tin
2024-04-23 16:53:22	Erus_Iluvatar	Get outta there with the German pronunciation 
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2024-04-23 16:54:17	alad	I pronounce Arse Linux with a thick hooligan accent
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2024-04-23 16:58:30	jelle	terzievk: it is kinda a miracle already that someone packages it
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2024-04-23 19:48:57	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-23 19:07:21	tranzistor	Hello! Is there an already made way to hook at the end of every prepare() function execution in makepkg globally? I'd like to source my own shell script on every prepare invocation of every package built.
2024-04-23 19:08:12	tranzistor	If this is an XY problem: I'd like to patch software like it's done on gentoo, I'd like to apply a patch in the source directory if a file /root/patches/<packagename>.patch exists.
2024-04-23 19:12:32	edu4rdshl	tranzistor, well, PKGBUILD is just a bash script
2024-04-23 19:12:46	tranzistor	yeah
2024-04-23 19:12:51	tranzistor	so is makepkg
2024-04-23 19:13:01	tranzistor	is there a way to hook at the end of functions in bash?
2024-04-23 19:13:59	tranzistor	so PKGBUILDs are sourced by makepkg ... I guess there must be some way in bash to append a line at the end of a function. I'll look into makepkg's source. Thanks!
2024-04-23 19:14:38	tranzistor	Could I get away with patching prepare() in makepkg.conf?
2024-04-23 19:14:51	tranzistor	Or is PKGBUILD sourced before makepkg.conf and this wouldn't be possible?
2024-04-23 19:15:16	Strykar	nvidia-utils-550.76-2 update out before the nvidia 550.76-2 driver package?
2024-04-23 19:16:15	Tom^	Strykar: pkgrel update doesnt necessery mean the nvidia package also has to get it
2024-04-23 19:16:45	Strykar	Tom^: really? I was under the assumption it did and things would break if they were different?
2024-04-23 19:17:34	Tom^	Strykar: as long as you arent seeing 550.76 and 550.67
2024-04-23 19:17:51	Tom^	then no, in this case nvidia-utils got a fev udev rule changes, no need to rebuild the kernel driver
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2024-04-23 20:02:36	et09	does pacman keep track of which packages you explicitly installed and which packages got pulled in as deps
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2024-04-23 20:04:10	gromit	et09: yes
2024-04-23 20:04:14	et09	/var/lib/pacman/*/desc REASON ?
2024-04-23 20:04:36	gromit	et09: you can do pacman -Qe 
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2024-04-23 20:05:15	et09	that's the list of explicitly installed?
2024-04-23 20:05:55	Namarrgon	-Q --help
2024-04-23 20:05:58	et09	ah yeah
2024-04-23 20:06:00	et09	i saw 
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2024-04-23 20:13:40	jkotra	Hi, so i'm having this weird issue with my wireless mouse. I had to use it on windows laptop today and it worked fine, until i put it back into my destop, it;s no longer working (cursor is not moving / no response / still working fine on windows). i can see the device in `lsusb` command. any help is appreciated. 
2024-04-23 20:14:29	et09	what brand of mouse is it 
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2024-04-23 20:14:40	et09	brand/model
2024-04-23 20:14:53	Namarrgon	uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2024-04-23 20:15:48	jkotra	et09, random chinese mouse i bought for 3$, device shows up as `Bus 001 Device 011: ID 25a7:fa67 Areson Technology Corp 2.4G Receiver` in `lsusb` output.
2024-04-23 20:16:45	et09	should be supported at first glance ... i assume Namarrgon is @ ing you with that
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2024-04-23 20:18:15	jkotra	Namarrgon, !paste 6.6.28-1-lts
2024-04-23 20:18:15	jkotra	linux-lts 6.6.28-1
2024-04-23 20:18:25	jkotra	!paste 6.6.28-1-lts
2024-04-23 20:18:25	jkotra	linux-lts 6.6.28-1
2024-04-23 20:18:26	phrik	jkotra: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
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2024-04-23 20:19:06	et09	you can try checking for events with xev... in general i think usb hid is supposed to send the same signals whether or not it's wireless
2024-04-23 20:19:14	et09	dmesg output may have a hint too 
2024-04-23 20:19:42	teraflops	jkotra: both commands output the same?
2024-04-23 20:20:03	edu4rdshl	jkotra, post the exact output of the command
2024-04-23 20:20:12	edu4rdshl	!give jkotra rs
2024-04-23 20:20:13	phrik	jkotra: <command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2024-04-23 20:20:28	jkotra	teraflops, i'm using lts so changed linux to `linux-lts`
2024-04-23 20:20:44	Namarrgon	Does 'libinput list-devics' list it?
2024-04-23 20:20:55	Namarrgon	+e
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2024-04-23 20:24:07	jkotra	Namarrgon, no, https://paste.rs/XVBGS
2024-04-23 20:24:19	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-23 20:24:28	jkotra	i see something like CX 2.4G Receiver
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2024-04-23 20:25:27	edu4rdshl	jkotra, post the journal
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2024-04-23 20:25:44	edu4rdshl	Especially after you unplug/plug again the device
2024-04-23 20:25:58	edu4rdshl	Without filters, please. Something like `journalctl -r -n 100`
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2024-04-23 20:28:19	jkotra	unplug: https://paste.rs/WFtjl | plug: https://paste.rs/9Eoq9
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2024-04-23 20:28:40	manuels	ahey guys
2024-04-23 20:28:48	jkotra	`event3  - CX 2.4G Receiver: device is a keyboard` hmm. something wrong.
2024-04-23 20:28:58	manuels	where is the place to talk about flatpak kde runtime development
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2024-04-23 20:29:40	manuels	the thing i want to know is why the QGnomePlatformtheme lib does somehow not expose the adwaita QStyle
2024-04-23 20:30:05	manuels	also it pics up fonts, icons but not palette 
2024-04-23 20:30:10	jkotra	manuels, flatpak matrix channel: https://flatpak.org/about/
2024-04-23 20:30:11	phrik	Title: Flatpak—the future of application distribution (at flatpak.org)
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2024-04-23 20:31:52	edu4rdshl	jkotra, question: have you tried rebooting? :p
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2024-04-23 20:33:50	jkotra	edu4rdshl, yes. multiple times now.
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2024-04-23 20:34:59	teraflops	jkotra: tried putting the usb receiver in other usb port?
2024-04-23 20:35:25	jkotra	teraflops, yes, tried front + back, usb 3 + usb 2
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2024-04-23 20:37:53	manuels	The heck why don't they have irc? 
2024-04-23 20:38:23	Warepire	jkotra: Silly question possibly, have you tried power-cycling the mouse?
2024-04-23 20:38:33	Warepire	manuels: They are not required to use IRC
2024-04-23 20:38:45	jkotra	Warepire, yes, tried replacing batteries.
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2024-04-23 21:04:32	edu4rdshl	Maybe windows did something to it
2024-04-23 21:04:39	edu4rdshl	No idea 
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2024-04-23 21:17:41	susi-	jkotra: has you trieds rmmodding and modprobing the driver(s) responsible, maybe usbhid or maybe some bluetooth/wireless driver
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2024-04-23 21:17:41	susi-	does bluetooth or wireless devices work otherwise
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2024-04-23 22:01:58	hadronized	hello :)
2024-04-23 22:02:57	hadronized	I’ve been wondering something lately; is there a document / wiki somewhere explaining exactly how to implement something similar to TUs, but for the AUR? so that users using my software (and who trust me) can trust the software they got from the AUR? I already sign my binaries with my GPG key, but not sure for a PKGBUILD
2024-04-23 22:02:59	NtropicRedux	Hello.  I'm trying to login to the Arch GitLab.  I am able to enter my username and password successfully, but am not able to bypass the one-time code screen since it's not making it to my inbox or spam folder.  Is anyone else having the same issue?
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2024-04-23 22:08:44	gromit	NtropicRedux: you dont get something per mail, you instead enter the 2FA code from your password manager or smartphone app etc
2024-04-23 22:09:14	NtropicRedux	gromit, Ah, yes!  I totally forgot I set that up.  Thanks.
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2024-04-23 23:36:12	pulec	could anyone please test Cardinal? just open and see if save dialogue works for you
2024-04-23 23:36:14	pulec	?pkg cardinal
2024-04-23 23:36:15	@EMIYA	pulec: extra/cardinal 24.04-1 (Virtual modular synthesizer)
2024-04-23 23:37:00	pulec	I don't see anything useful in console when launching it
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2024-04-23 23:38:23	pulec	previously xdg-desktop-portal package fixed that, but not anymore
2024-04-23 23:38:58	pulec	I have that installed and the user systemd service is running
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2024-04-23 23:44:20	edu4rdshl	pulec, works fine here
2024-04-23 23:44:45	pulec	nice, what desktop/window manager are you using please?
2024-04-23 23:44:46	edu4rdshl	Or not sure wdym by "if save dialog works for you"
2024-04-23 23:44:56	edu4rdshl	I clicked save and it didn't throw any error
2024-04-23 23:45:07	pulec	ye I mean click save and it will open a file dialogue to ask where to save it
2024-04-23 23:45:08	edu4rdshl	An "Save As" opened where I wanted to save that
2024-04-23 23:45:13	pulec	yes
2024-04-23 23:45:33	edu4rdshl	I'm using Gnome Wayland
2024-04-23 23:45:34	pulec	I mean open dialogue same, it doesn't work for me
2024-04-23 23:45:41	pulec	I see, thanks
2024-04-23 23:46:55	edu4rdshl	https://i.imgur.com/ncEsRUq.png
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2024-04-23 23:49:11	pulec	thank you, oh well, imgur timesout for me
2024-04-23 23:49:17	pulec	what could be my issue then, hmm
2024-04-23 23:49:35	mpan	edu4rdshl: note that imgur no longer works for many people. Even if you run their malware, it still breaks.
2024-04-23 23:49:38	pulec	well time to start trying other dm/wm, i3, X11 now
2024-04-23 23:49:55	pulec	huh I wasn't aware of imgur being that bork
2024-04-23 23:49:59	teraflops	pulec: it does not work on hyprland
2024-04-23 23:50:05	pulec	interesting
2024-04-23 23:50:20	mpan	edu4rdshl: consider 0x0.st for #archlinux.
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2024-04-23 23:50:58	edu4rdshl	mpan, oh, why is that?
2024-04-23 23:51:11	mpan	edu4rdshl: because 0x0.st works.
2024-04-23 23:51:17	gehidore	Yeah imgr never loaded for me, fuck all that shit that has to load just to show an image
2024-04-23 23:51:19	edu4rdshl	I mean, the imgur thing
2024-04-23 23:51:30	mpan	gehidore: now it doesn’t load even if you allow their malware.
2024-04-23 23:51:44	mpan	edu4rdshl: it doesn’t work for many people.
2024-04-23 23:51:44	edu4rdshl	I mean, my link is a link to a raw image...
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2024-04-23 23:52:00	edu4rdshl	mpan, well, I'm not going to do some weird things to post a screenshot
2024-04-23 23:52:02	edu4rdshl	That's it
2024-04-23 23:52:02	mpan	edu4rdshl: which they will redirect to a javascript app instantly.
2024-04-23 23:52:22	mpan	edu4rdshl: and even IF you run that app… the image often will simply 404/429 anyway.
2024-04-23 23:52:35	teraflops	edu4rdshl: here the sige opens but the image does not load, just a spinning rust
2024-04-23 23:52:42	alad	^ same
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2024-04-23 23:53:08	edu4rdshl	Uh, it worked fine here. Now doesn't. Noted, thanks
2024-04-23 23:53:38	edu4rdshl	Any other sane image upload service that allows pasting from clipboard?
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2024-04-23 23:54:13	teraflops	hmm no idea
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2024-04-23 23:55:57	teraflops	that's why I selfhost
2024-04-23 23:56:06	teraflops	!relaxedpikachu
2024-04-23 23:56:06	phrik	https://paste.priet.us/relaxedpikachu.jpg
2024-04-23 23:57:14	gehidore	edu4rdshl those links redirect to webpages now
2024-04-23 23:57:39	gehidore	Same with Reddit of course
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2024-04-23 23:57:54	edu4rdshl	Wasn't aware of that :(
2024-04-23 23:57:58	edu4rdshl	Sorry
2024-04-23 23:58:15	edu4rdshl	I have used that site like 3 times in the past year
2024-04-23 23:58:17	mpan	No need to apologize. Just making you aware of the issue.
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2024-04-24 00:02:15	Ratman5005	Hi, does Archlinux support Trusted Platform Module (TPM) based full disk encryption (FDE)?
2024-04-24 00:02:47	MrElendig	yes
2024-04-24 00:02:58	Namarrgon	but you have to set it up yourself.
2024-04-24 00:03:10	MrElendig	for some notion  of support ^
2024-04-24 00:03:34	mpan	I was considering adding support for some Free paste services to common paste tools (screenshoters etc.), in particular when xfce4-screenshoter announced removal of the imgur option. I believe this is within my abilities and should not pose a huge threat to me. But I am worried this will make them too popular and used without any thought, effectively overloading what is provided without pay to
2024-04-24 00:03:34	mpan	the 
2024-04-24 00:03:40	mpan	community. :/
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2024-04-24 00:03:56	Ratman5005	Ok, is there a walkthrough on how to set it up? Is it when you install it for the first time or later?
2024-04-24 00:04:08	MrElendig	its documented on the wiki
2024-04-24 00:04:12	teraflops	Ratman5005: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Trusted_Platform_Module https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/User:Krin/Secure_Boot,_full_disk_encryption,_and_TPM2_unlocking_install
2024-04-24 00:04:13	phrik	Title: Trusted Platform Module - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-24 00:04:50	Namarrgon	The encryption itself you should set up during the initial install but the TPM integration you can do later.
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2024-04-24 00:05:36	alad	mpan: you can add hardb.ac and al.ad :O
2024-04-24 00:06:44	Ratman5005	Ok, from what I am seeing 2 options Clevis or systemd-cryptenroll is that right?
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2024-04-24 00:08:21	Namarrgon	right
2024-04-24 00:09:15	Ratman5005	Ok, any advice on which one you suggest? or doesn't really matter?
2024-04-24 00:09:40	Namarrgon	I only used systemd-cryptenroll so i can't vouch for clevis.
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2024-04-24 00:09:49	Ratman5005	Thanks.
2024-04-24 00:10:21	alad	I feel Namarrgon has been taken over by a hostile force, judging by their new-found like for punctuation :o
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2024-04-24 00:11:25	Namarrgon	RL spilling into irc, i'm sorry...
2024-04-24 00:11:33	alad	: O
2024-04-24 00:12:14	Namarrgon	I did but i haven't fixed my compose key yet.
2024-04-24 00:12:47	alad	NetSysFire: did you mean:  . . .
2024-04-24 00:13:07	alad	:)
2024-04-24 00:13:40	mpan	Normal? alad is getting thin. Quickly, somebody feed him something!
2024-04-24 00:13:53	demonicmaniac1	°o°
2024-04-24 00:14:04	alad	 > : ( °o° )
2024-04-24 00:14:11	alad	nom
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2024-04-24 00:18:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-24 00:18:33	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1459 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1458 regular)
2024-04-23 23:36:12	pulec	could anyone please test Cardinal? just open and see if save dialogue works for you
2024-04-23 23:36:14	pulec	?pkg cardinal
2024-04-23 23:36:15	@EMIYA	pulec: extra/cardinal 24.04-1 (Virtual modular synthesizer)
2024-04-23 23:37:00	pulec	I don't see anything useful in console when launching it
2024-04-23 23:38:23	pulec	previously xdg-desktop-portal package fixed that, but not anymore
2024-04-23 23:38:58	pulec	I have that installed and the user systemd service is running
2024-04-23 23:44:20	edu4rdshl	pulec, works fine here
2024-04-23 23:44:45	pulec	nice, what desktop/window manager are you using please?
2024-04-23 23:44:46	edu4rdshl	Or not sure wdym by "if save dialog works for you"
2024-04-23 23:44:56	edu4rdshl	I clicked save and it didn't throw any error
2024-04-23 23:45:07	pulec	ye I mean click save and it will open a file dialogue to ask where to save it
2024-04-23 23:45:08	edu4rdshl	An "Save As" opened where I wanted to save that
2024-04-23 23:45:13	pulec	yes
2024-04-23 23:45:33	edu4rdshl	I'm using Gnome Wayland
2024-04-23 23:45:34	pulec	I mean open dialogue same, it doesn't work for me
2024-04-23 23:45:41	pulec	I see, thanks
2024-04-23 23:46:55	edu4rdshl	https://i.imgur.com/ncEsRUq.png
2024-04-23 23:49:11	pulec	thank you, oh well, imgur timesout for me
2024-04-23 23:49:17	pulec	what could be my issue then, hmm
2024-04-23 23:49:35	mpan	edu4rdshl: note that imgur no longer works for many people. Even if you run their malware, it still breaks.
2024-04-23 23:49:38	pulec	well time to start trying other dm/wm, i3, X11 now
2024-04-23 23:49:55	pulec	huh I wasn't aware of imgur being that bork
2024-04-23 23:49:59	teraflops	pulec: it does not work on hyprland
2024-04-23 23:50:05	pulec	interesting
2024-04-23 23:50:20	mpan	edu4rdshl: consider 0x0.st for #archlinux.
2024-04-23 23:50:58	edu4rdshl	mpan, oh, why is that?
2024-04-23 23:51:11	mpan	edu4rdshl: because 0x0.st works.
2024-04-23 23:51:17	gehidore	Yeah imgr never loaded for me, fuck all that shit that has to load just to show an image
2024-04-23 23:51:19	edu4rdshl	I mean, the imgur thing
2024-04-23 23:51:30	mpan	gehidore: now it doesn’t load even if you allow their malware.
2024-04-23 23:51:44	mpan	edu4rdshl: it doesn’t work for many people.
2024-04-23 23:51:44	edu4rdshl	I mean, my link is a link to a raw image...
2024-04-23 23:52:00	edu4rdshl	mpan, well, I'm not going to do some weird things to post a screenshot
2024-04-23 23:52:02	edu4rdshl	That's it
2024-04-23 23:52:02	mpan	edu4rdshl: which they will redirect to a javascript app instantly.
2024-04-23 23:52:22	mpan	edu4rdshl: and even IF you run that app… the image often will simply 404/429 anyway.
2024-04-23 23:52:35	teraflops	edu4rdshl: here the sige opens but the image does not load, just a spinning rust
2024-04-23 23:52:42	alad	^ same
2024-04-23 23:53:08	edu4rdshl	Uh, it worked fine here. Now doesn't. Noted, thanks
2024-04-23 23:53:38	edu4rdshl	Any other sane image upload service that allows pasting from clipboard?
2024-04-23 23:54:13	teraflops	hmm no idea
2024-04-23 23:55:57	teraflops	that's why I selfhost
2024-04-23 23:56:06	teraflops	!relaxedpikachu
2024-04-23 23:56:06	phrik	https://paste.priet.us/relaxedpikachu.jpg
2024-04-23 23:57:14	gehidore	edu4rdshl those links redirect to webpages now
2024-04-23 23:57:39	gehidore	Same with Reddit of course
2024-04-23 23:57:54	edu4rdshl	Wasn't aware of that :(
2024-04-23 23:57:58	edu4rdshl	Sorry
2024-04-23 23:58:15	edu4rdshl	I have used that site like 3 times in the past year
2024-04-23 23:58:17	mpan	No need to apologize. Just making you aware of the issue.
2024-04-24 00:02:15	Ratman5005	Hi, does Archlinux support Trusted Platform Module (TPM) based full disk encryption (FDE)?
2024-04-24 00:02:47	MrElendig	yes
2024-04-24 00:02:58	Namarrgon	but you have to set it up yourself.
2024-04-24 00:03:10	MrElendig	for some notion  of support ^
2024-04-24 00:03:34	mpan	I was considering adding support for some Free paste services to common paste tools (screenshoters etc.), in particular when xfce4-screenshoter announced removal of the imgur option. I believe this is within my abilities and should not pose a huge threat to me. But I am worried this will make them too popular and used without any thought, effectively overloading what is provided without pay to
2024-04-24 00:03:34	mpan	the 
2024-04-24 00:03:40	mpan	community. :/
2024-04-24 00:03:56	Ratman5005	Ok, is there a walkthrough on how to set it up? Is it when you install it for the first time or later?
2024-04-24 00:04:08	MrElendig	its documented on the wiki
2024-04-24 00:04:12	teraflops	Ratman5005: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Trusted_Platform_Module https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/User:Krin/Secure_Boot,_full_disk_encryption,_and_TPM2_unlocking_install
2024-04-24 00:04:13	phrik	Title: Trusted Platform Module - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-24 00:04:50	Namarrgon	The encryption itself you should set up during the initial install but the TPM integration you can do later.
2024-04-24 00:05:36	alad	mpan: you can add hardb.ac and al.ad :O
2024-04-24 00:06:44	Ratman5005	Ok, from what I am seeing 2 options Clevis or systemd-cryptenroll is that right?
2024-04-24 00:08:21	Namarrgon	right
2024-04-24 00:09:15	Ratman5005	Ok, any advice on which one you suggest? or doesn't really matter?
2024-04-24 00:09:40	Namarrgon	I only used systemd-cryptenroll so i can't vouch for clevis.
2024-04-24 00:09:49	Ratman5005	Thanks.
2024-04-24 00:10:21	alad	I feel Namarrgon has been taken over by a hostile force, judging by their new-found like for punctuation :o
2024-04-24 00:11:25	Namarrgon	RL spilling into irc, i'm sorry...
2024-04-24 00:11:33	alad	: O
2024-04-24 00:12:14	Namarrgon	I did but i haven't fixed my compose key yet.
2024-04-24 00:12:47	alad	NetSysFire: did you mean:  . . .
2024-04-24 00:13:07	alad	:)
2024-04-24 00:13:40	mpan	Normal? alad is getting thin. Quickly, somebody feed him something!
2024-04-24 00:13:53	demonicmaniac1	°o°
2024-04-24 00:14:04	alad	 > : ( °o° )
2024-04-24 00:14:11	alad	nom
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2024-04-24 00:26:38	zayd	what's the correct way for allowing virt-manager to use data from an external drive in its pools? no matter what i do, it gives an error
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2024-04-24 10:08:24	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-24 10:08:24	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1447 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1446 regular)
2024-04-24 01:21:06	Namarrgon	As long as it is about arch linux, sure.
2024-04-24 01:21:26	tropnevad	ok
2024-04-24 01:21:45	Murray7501	:)
2024-04-24 01:22:06	tropnevad	i was having a problem updating, but i figured out on reddit and someone "yelled" at me for updating everyday, and said dont do that. is this a big deal? should i only update say once a week?
2024-04-24 01:22:48	heat	i feel like for arch every update frequency is okay as long as it's not too spaced apart
2024-04-24 01:23:01	heat	(because then you may actually run into issues updating your packages)
2024-04-24 01:23:12	tropnevad	so even every day wouldnt be an issue? i actually heard not updating frequently enough could break your system
2024-04-24 01:23:24	gaku	just check the news before updating
2024-04-24 01:23:38	gaku	and check your .pacnew files with something like pacdiff if any pop up
2024-04-24 01:23:49	Namarrgon	Daily or weekly isn't a big difference. The problems start when you wait too long between updates.
2024-04-24 01:23:49	heat	i've updated daily for some years, no problems there. i update (mroe or less) weekly, no problems there either
2024-04-24 01:23:56	Murray7501	there is no real recipe for how often to pacman -Syu you can have bad luck sometimes, which is why its nice to have a backup copy using say clonezilla
2024-04-24 01:24:09	gaku	I update every whatever in a while, cuz I may have to rebuild stuff I have from my AUR local repo, and some of those things take forever to compile
2024-04-24 01:24:25	tropnevad	ok thanks for your help :)
2024-04-24 01:24:25	hlein	Any recommendations on the best way to collect PKGBUILDs for _every_ Arch package? To save wall-o-text on why & what I've tried so far: https://paste.rs/5ri6f.txt
2024-04-24 01:24:27	phrik	Title: Source Code | 5ri6f | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-04-24 01:24:31	hlein	If there's a different #arch* channel this'd be better for, pls redirect me.
2024-04-24 01:26:04	heat	that seems like a great way to DoS the AUR
2024-04-24 01:26:16	heat	just make sure to rate limit yourself
2024-04-24 01:26:36	hlein	not going after AUR yet, just main packagesets. but yes, have to ratelimit (see the paste)
2024-04-24 01:27:11	hlein	i'm kinda wondering if there's some really simple "fetch an archive" mechanism in Arch's infra or even in gitlab, that i am just unaware of
2024-04-24 01:27:32	heat	even if that exists you'll still need to deal with rate limiting
2024-04-24 01:28:05	heat	it's not less of a DoS if you wget a tarball instead of git cloning a repo :)
2024-04-24 01:28:33	hlein	not if the combined data was available in a single repo-of-repos or an API call that says "pls bundle all these at once" - if you are telling me there is no such thing then thank you, that is the answer i needed ;)
2024-04-24 01:28:41	Murray7501	I believe I heard of some alternative package manager to pacman that can grab stuff from AUR and keep it updated, I just dont trust that myself :D
2024-04-24 01:29:34	heat	hlein, i dont *think* there is, but the folks involved with the actual tooling might know better
2024-04-24 01:29:55	hlein	or even, an export of the current-state of all PKGBUILDS & their repos, as i don't need histories-of-PKGBUILDs, just a single snapshot would do. maybe there is such a thing used on Arch's build infra, since build boxes would need all the things?
2024-04-24 01:30:08	hlein	s/repos/HEAD contents/
2024-04-24 01:38:09	hlein	(i'm pretty much a novice to the Arch ecosystem, was a Slackware head for about a decade and then Gentoo for the last 2 decades)
2024-04-24 01:41:01	demonicmaniac1	i remember cloning all pkgbuilds using abs at some point but abs has been discontinued i don't remember what it is now
2024-04-24 01:44:16	demonicmaniac1	ah right abs -> asp -> pkgctl
2024-04-24 01:44:33	hlein	ah, yup i saw references to that. i think things changed with the migration to git? so pkgctl repo clone is what i saw & tried first
2024-04-24 01:45:01	hlein	but it seems that pkgctl repo clone calls pkgctl repo configure, except they disagree on some of their arguments
2024-04-24 01:45:23	edu4rdshl	hlein, pkgctl repo clone --protocol https $pkgname
2024-04-24 01:45:27	edu4rdshl	That's all you need
2024-04-24 01:45:35	edu4rdshl	Or configure ssh keys for it
2024-04-24 01:45:46	edu4rdshl	And then you don't need --protocol https
2024-04-24 01:45:52	hlein	i've got this in a lab behind a browsing proxy. i forget now which is which, but one of them wants --protocol https, the other ignores --protocol and tries to use git no matter what. the other mentions --unprivileged (iirc) but that isn't supported by the other
2024-04-24 01:46:03	brocellous	you need to filter to just pkgbase first
2024-04-24 01:46:10	brocellous	not every package has a mathcing repo name
2024-04-24 01:46:12	hlein	hm. i did not actually try creating an account and giving it some ssh keys. but i could try that
2024-04-24 01:46:33	hlein	aha, i thought there might be some list of exceptions or name translations somewhere that i just hadn't found yet
2024-04-24 01:46:40	demonicmaniac1	not --universe?
2024-04-24 01:46:51	brocellous	honestly, pkgctl should really be patched to do that automatically...
2024-04-24 01:46:52	hlein	ah, yes i think i tried --universe first
2024-04-24 01:47:18	brocellous	you can use expac %e $pkgname to get the pkgbase though for now I guess
2024-04-24 01:47:26	hlein	it failed too but i can't remember now how/why - if it was insisting on ssh, or if it was just some user error
2024-04-24 01:48:31	hlein	ooo, brocellous you mean that'd give the alternate-name if the git repo is named something different?
2024-04-24 01:48:40	brocellous	So I guess `pacman -Sl core | expac %e - | sort -u` for a list of pkgbase in core. repeat for extra
2024-04-24 01:48:55	gr33n7007h	Bahhumbug: i meant vim, my bad :P
2024-04-24 01:49:24	brocellous	some PKGBUILD make multiple pacakges, obviously then there's only one repo for all of those packages, named after the pkgbase
2024-04-24 01:49:33	hlein	ah, that makes sense
2024-04-24 01:50:36	hlein	lemme get some fresh failures and test that out...
2024-04-24 01:50:46	brocellous	I wonder if the debuginfod stuff has some sort of src package thing...
2024-04-24 01:51:46	hlein	of course, i was dumb and not recording last night's stuff in script(1) and the errors are waaaay long gone in scrollback. so may take me some time to trip over a failure again
2024-04-24 01:52:57	brocellous	if you're looking for an example, linux-headers is a package split from the linux pkgbase, so that headers can be shipped separate from the kernel.
2024-04-24 01:53:51	hlein	hm, so
2024-04-24 01:54:03	hlein	(~/package_list was built with pacman -Ss)
2024-04-24 01:54:08	hlein	$ egrep amd-ucode ~/package_list 
2024-04-24 01:54:08	hlein	core/amd-ucode
2024-04-24 01:54:26	hlein	expac %e amd-ucode
2024-04-24 01:54:28	hlein	and
2024-04-24 01:54:32	hlein	expac %e core/amd-ucode
2024-04-24 01:54:37	hlein	both empty :(
2024-04-24 01:55:10	brocellous	expac uses your local db by default
2024-04-24 01:55:33	hlein	ah... so the fact that i don't have these actually installed, means they're not in the local db, means expac finds nothing?
2024-04-24 01:55:37	brocellous	use -S for the syncdb, in case you don't have the pkg installed
2024-04-24 01:55:56	hlein	$ expac -S %e amd-ucode
2024-04-24 01:55:57	hlein	linux-firmware
2024-04-24 01:55:58	hlein	woo!
2024-04-24 01:56:40	brocellous	list of split packages with names different from the pkgbase: pacman -Sl core | expac -S '%n\t%e' - | awk '$1 != $2 {print $1}' | sort -u
2024-04-24 01:56:54	hlein	so that works nicely, _but_ the extra lookup does have some round-trip. i can pass multiple packages to expac so that's not too bad, but
2024-04-24 01:57:29	hlein	oh wait no i think i'm lying
2024-04-24 01:57:43	hlein	i do not see it making an outbound request each time
2024-04-24 01:58:13	brocellous	there is no network request, the syncdb is what you download with pacman -Sy.
2024-04-24 01:58:37	brocellous	its a list of everything in the repo and some metadata
2024-04-24 01:58:45	hlein	also i can feed multiple names to expac, and i bet i can - yeah you did it there already - tailor the expac output so that it retains the mapping relationship
2024-04-24 01:58:50	hlein	that is great, thanks!
2024-04-24 01:59:01	hlein	solves the problem i had put off even looking into yet
2024-04-24 02:00:24	hlein	also pacman -Sl looks much smarter than doing -Ss, updating my approach there...
2024-04-24 02:03:18	brocellous	hlein: do you really need to clone the whole repo? can you work with a tarball of the latest tag or something? they tag releases on gitlab.
2024-04-24 02:03:54	hlein	yeah that's a good question. i think i don't actually need the repo - since i don't (for this, currently?) need history of PKGBUILDs & patchsets,
2024-04-24 02:04:43	hlein	just need something that i can point makepkg --nobuild at
2024-04-24 02:05:25	hlein	so most-recent-tarball should be sufficient, and presumably be a lot lighterweight for gitlab.archlinux.org
2024-04-24 02:07:25	hlein	and... the version #'s i would need are conveniently the third field in pacman -Sl output, so i should be able to auto-construct the appropriate /archive/ links
2024-04-24 02:09:37	hlein	i have a lot of little steps to take but now they all seem clear in my head, see how far i can get before i get stuck, or knocked off the path by $dayjob. tyvm brocellous !
2024-04-24 02:20:29	brocellous	not sure if I have the invocation wrong, but I made a read-api token on my arch acct and tried to use glab cli to download an archive but I'm getting 403 /shrug
2024-04-24 02:23:14	SurfBlueCrab	Anybody knows what is the state of LXQT 2 in Arch Linux?  Wikipedia says LXQT 2 was released April 15th.  I presume some testing is required?
2024-04-24 02:25:52	mpan	SurfBlueCrab: it’s in [extra-staging] since 2 days. I can’t speak for the maintainer, but a desktop environment updates are usually a major change, so I would expect some delay.
2024-04-24 02:26:47	SurfBlueCrab	mpan: OK thank you, better be done properly than having an unstable desktop.  Just cant wait for the update!  
2024-04-24 02:27:38	SurfBlueCrab	I use a "frankeistein" desktop with a base of LXQT coupled with KWin and KDE tools.  KDE got ported to QT6 so once LXQT 2 get released it is going to be a more uniform experience.
2024-04-24 02:27:55	SurfBlueCrab	Now I do not know if Wayland is going to work however.
2024-04-24 02:28:09	mpan	SurfBlueCrab: since it’s in [*-staging], it’s likely it basically awaits rebuilds.
2024-04-24 02:33:14	mpan	SurfBlueCrab: note that under no circumstances you should enable [*-staging] repos. These are meant exclusively for people working with rebuilds.
2024-04-24 02:33:38	mpan	They are *not* like [*-testing].
2024-04-24 02:36:18	brocellous	hlein: maybe: parallel pacman -Sl ::: core extra | expac -S '%r https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/%e/-/archive/%v/%e-%v.tar.gz' - | sed -En 's/^(core|extra) //p' | sort -u
2024-04-24 02:38:57	hlein	oh haha let expac's format template do alll the work of building the correct URLs
2024-04-24 02:39:31	hlein	there's some utility for me to keep a package-list file around, so atm i'm doing:
2024-04-24 02:39:56	hlein	  pacman -Sl | expac -S '%r|%e|%v' - >"${PKG_LIST}"
2024-04-24 02:40:00	hlein	and then later...
2024-04-24 02:40:11	hlein	  curl -s -S -o "distfiles/${pkg}-${ver}.tar.bz2" "https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/${pkg}/-/archive/${ver}/${pkg}-${ver}.tar.bz2"
2024-04-24 02:40:11	phrik	Title: Sign in · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-24 02:40:35	hlein	oh duh, right, there'll be dupes
2024-04-24 02:40:52	hlein	because there's multiple packages that resolve to the same repo. well,
2024-04-24 02:40:54	hlein	i'm also doing
2024-04-24 02:40:57	hlein	  [[ -f "distfiles/${pkg}-${ver}.tar.bz2" ]] && continue
2024-04-24 02:41:16	hlein	which would like, incidentally take care of that, but it'd be better to sort -u earlier up anyway
2024-04-24 02:41:51	hlein	(i'm not limiting myself to only core and extra at the moment, tell me if that's a terrible idea. i _am_ weeding out endeavouros because they come from elsewhere)
2024-04-24 02:44:37	wj-	Hey - I'm usuing expressvpn on a fairly vanilla arch install and firefox is taking a hell of a long time to start (like 3-4m). I've checked hosts and resolv - nothing wrong in there. Looking for a hint on this because I can't figure it out and whenever the VPN is on, FireFox does this
2024-04-24 02:45:13	wj-	I've tried ESR from AUR and the one in pacman
2024-04-24 02:51:30	brocellous	hlein: seem like gitlab also substitutes : chars
2024-04-24 02:51:42	brocellous	with parallel pacman -Sl ::: core extra | expac -S '%r https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/%e/-/archive/%v/%e-%v.tar.gz' - | sed -En 's/^(core|extra) //p' | perl -pe 's/(?<!https):/-/g' | sort -u > pkgs.txt
2024-04-24 02:51:56	brocellous	curl --remote-name-all $(head -n50 pkgs.txt) worked for me
2024-04-24 02:52:11	brocellous	ther are 11.5k total but I don't want to download them all
2024-04-24 03:11:25	brocellous	I was curious and tried: <pkgs.txt xargs curl -Z --parallel-max 5 --limit-rate 1M --remote-name-all, I guess its obvious but most pkgs are tiny (just a pkgbuild) so the 1M was too fast and it kicked me after 600 pkgs
2024-04-24 03:11:31	brocellous	maybe do like 200K
2024-04-24 03:13:05	brocellous	if the size of these first pkgs is anything to go by 200K would still complete in 15m
2024-04-24 03:13:20	hlein	heh thanks, i was just getting to where i can wire that up. hmmm, but, i'm behind a web proxy. i have no confidence that --limit-rate will be effective through that. maybe i will just do say, --parallel-max 2
2024-04-24 03:13:58	hlein	when you hit limits were you getting 429 errors? i can watch for that
2024-04-24 03:14:50	brocellous	I'm not sure how curls limit-rate works so idk
2024-04-24 03:15:15	brocellous	also I dunno about the return codes
2024-04-24 03:15:39	hlein	...maybe i will not parallelize at all actually, initially, and just see how it goes
2024-04-24 03:16:06	hlein	i don't mind if it takes 1-3 hours, as long as it doesn't take a _day_ =) since these downloads would be needed just ~once anyway (for a given point in time)
2024-04-24 03:18:17	brocellous	oh apparently curl also has --rate
2024-04-24 03:23:28	hlein	$ package_unpack_all.sh
2024-04-24 03:23:28	hlein	  Getting distfiles/yad-13.0-2...
2024-04-24 03:23:28	hlein	  Getting distfiles/acl-2.3.2-1...
2024-04-24 03:23:28	hlein	  Getting distfiles/linux-firmware-20240409.1addd7dc-1...
2024-04-24 03:23:28	hlein	  Getting distfiles/archlinux-keyring-20240313-1...
2024-04-24 03:23:30	hlein	  Getting distfiles/argon2-20190702-5...
2024-04-24 03:23:33	hlein	  Getting distfiles/attr-2.5.2-1...
2024-04-24 03:23:35	hlein	 
2024-04-24 03:23:38	hlein	and away we go
2024-04-24 03:23:58	hlein	speaking of which... /me away to dinner. i'll find out in a bit if i got myself ratelimited :/ ty!
2024-04-24 03:36:15	mpan	hlein: beware of EMIYA. The bot dislikes long runs of text.
2024-04-24 04:55:03	damarusama	so I ssh-copy-id user@192.168.1.123  but then the server changed it's ip to 234, can I edit my .ssh/know_hosts with the new ip and still ssh password less?
2024-04-24 04:55:23	damarusama	yes I did forget my password to the server
2024-04-24 04:56:09	damarusama	I tried to update the ip s in .ssh/know_hosts but it actully still asked for a password
2024-04-24 04:57:20	damarusama	so, looking at my bash_history I did copy the key to the server... but I though since the server changed ip it might have created the problem?
2024-04-24 04:58:30	damarusama	it's a new server on my dhcp server farm locally, and I was probably drunk and though it would be a super nice password
2024-04-24 04:58:41	damarusama	yes it's off topic a bit for sure
2024-04-24 04:58:49	damarusama	but coming from arch linux 
2024-04-24 04:59:38	damarusama	so the ssh-copy-id might not have worked even... ok thanks, time to pull out the server and connect it to a screen. 
2024-04-24 05:00:30	damarusama	I tell you, it was the BEST PASSWORD EVER! but I'm not sure if it was the complexe one, or the simple one... 
2024-04-24 05:01:39	damarusama	allright so fucking around the .ssh/know_hosts won't help me in this situation... allright, back to square one... who needs an openBSD server anyway
2024-04-24 05:02:08	damarusama	note to self, stop drinking tequilla when setting up server
2024-04-24 05:37:46	Pikk3wyn	I love how accessible archinstall has made arch to new users
2024-04-24 05:38:12	Pikk3wyn	3 people within 2mon have switched to arch since trying linux first time
2024-04-24 05:38:30	Pikk3wyn	its always better to install it
2024-04-24 05:39:34	Pikk3wyn	i was wondering what the policies are on things shipped with archinstall, and what they can offer to replace
2024-04-24 05:41:23	Pikk3wyn	i3 is easy as hell actually, and the default config having hjkl, blah blah as the defaults is linux-y and 110% swag cos vim 
2024-04-24 05:41:53	Pikk3wyn	arch i like to recommend as second distro to new users 
2024-04-24 05:42:27	Pikk3wyn	i have a way saner i3 default preposal, do you think i3 dev would be interested?
2024-04-24 05:43:17	Pikk3wyn	i won't miss manually ensuring the session worked
2024-04-24 05:44:30	Pikk3wyn	blows my mind how easy everything is now
2024-04-24 05:49:50	pkt	Pikk3wyn: since you are there with i3, why not sway?
2024-04-24 05:54:08	edu4rdshl	^
2024-04-24 05:55:20	edu4rdshl	People still dont get that having archinstall have not impact on ArchLinux ideology and principles, archinstall is made as a easy way for advanced users to automate installations, not as a way to "bring users that doesn't know anything to Arch"
2024-04-24 05:55:39	edu4rdshl	The later will not work on most cases and users will just go back in a few days
2024-04-24 06:02:18	greyltc	I think archinstall should be for a derivative distro and those wishing to install Arch Linux for the first time should be guided by the wiki
2024-04-24 06:08:33	greyltc	That issue seems unavoidable so long as a guided installer exists
2024-04-24 06:18:07	edu4rdshl	Lets add a --im-not-a-linux-newbie flag to the installer
2024-04-24 06:50:33	rsaavedra	Is it possible to set the second battery BAT1 to discharge first? I hibernate when the internal battery BAT0 is at critical levels, but sometimes it discharges before BAT1.
2024-04-24 07:02:44	axq	rsaavedra: tlp may be worth a look
2024-04-24 07:05:17	axq	when you build some logic around discharge thresholds you might get to where you want
2024-04-24 07:16:49	rsaavedra	ok, I already have tlp installed but only for the default configs.. I guess is time to learn what tlp actually does 
2024-04-24 07:16:59	Gnana	how to fix Cannot autolaunch D-Bus without X11 $DISPLAY ?? systemctl status timer?
2024-04-24 07:17:06	Gnana	im on wayland
2024-04-24 07:21:49	hlein	is there a tool (part of makepkg, or perhaps something else) that parses validpgpkeys entries from PKGBUILD / .SRCINFO and does a gpg --recv-keys on them?
2024-04-24 07:22:52	hlein	i see knobs to turn off signature validation, but i'd rather attempt a --recv-keys for each named keyid, and then let source tarball validation proceed
2024-04-24 07:31:30	ponies	Gnana: do you need xwayland? 
2024-04-24 07:31:58	Gnana	i have it
2024-04-24 07:32:00	Gnana	installed
2024-04-24 07:33:27	ponies	what is this timer service? 
2024-04-24 07:33:56	ponies	and what are you trying to launch? 
2024-04-24 07:33:57	Gnana	 Could not connect: No such file or directory
2024-04-24 07:34:05	Gnana	its a bash script for batteyr notifcation
2024-04-24 07:34:17	Gnana	after rebooting " status says":  Could not connect: No such file or directory
2024-04-24 07:34:27	Gnana	bat.sh[3870]: Could not connect: No such file or directory
2024-04-24 07:34:53	mpan	Gnana: please post the script to 0x0.st or other sane paste service:
2024-04-24 07:34:54	mpan	!paste
2024-04-24 07:34:55	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-24 07:35:08	mpan	We can’t really tell, what the script is trying to do, without seeing it.
2024-04-24 07:38:38	mpan	I mean: we know why the error happens and what it means, but not why the script causes it and why it can’t detect the dbus session.
2024-04-24 07:46:29	Gnana	wait mpan
2024-04-24 07:47:25	Gnana	mpan:https://termbin.com/ba6h
2024-04-24 07:47:54	mpan	Gnana: did you set the variable?
2024-04-24 07:48:13	cybersoul	Hello,  I tried to follow this guide on ubuntu 23.10 for hiding webcam source form all applications and force them to only see and use the virtual webcam and everything was fine,the virtual webcam worked until I followed this step to hide the source - https://www.scs.stanford.edu/~dm/blog/hide-webcam.html#getting-chromium-to-open-the-virtual-camera \n Now the OBS source is just a black screen.
2024-04-24 07:48:13	cybersoul	Any Help or Pointers are apprec
2024-04-24 07:48:14	phrik	Title: How to use OBS video output for video conferences on linux (at www.scs.stanford.edu)
2024-04-24 07:48:15	cybersoul	iated
2024-04-24 07:48:32	Gnana	order
2024-04-24 07:48:39	Gnana	mpan:?
2024-04-24 07:48:51	mpan	Gnana: ?
2024-04-24 07:49:13	Gnana	mpan no? which varibale?
2024-04-24 07:49:21	mpan	Gnana: did you ever look in that script?
2024-04-24 07:49:31	Gnana	yes
2024-04-24 07:49:37	Gnana	i know bash
2024-04-24 07:49:37	mpan	...
2024-04-24 07:49:43	mpan	So what does the first comment say?
2024-04-24 07:50:08	Gnana	yes i removed it to check 
2024-04-24 07:50:15	Gnana	if it works or not
2024-04-24 07:50:19	Gnana	but i did not
2024-04-24 07:50:22	mpan	Removed what?
2024-04-24 07:51:22	gehidore	Man what devices actually risk damage these days by leaving them on AC, hasn't that shit been firmware/charge controller based for a decade if not two?
2024-04-24 07:51:37	Gnana	# Set the DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS for systemd User Bus
2024-04-24 07:51:39	Gnana	export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/$(id -u)/bus
2024-04-24 07:51:51	mpan	Gnana: what did you remove?
2024-04-24 07:51:54	Gnana	its chatgpt
2024-04-24 07:52:03	mpan	...
2024-04-24 07:52:06	Gnana	..
2024-04-24 07:52:12	mpan	Ok, please wait for somebody else. I can’t help you.
2024-04-24 07:52:12	Pikk3wyn	gehidore: with internal psu, or actual surge
2024-04-24 07:52:22	Gnana	alright......
2024-04-24 07:53:33	Gnana	ExecStart=dbus-launch /home/Gnana/.config/hypr/scripts/bat.sh
2024-04-24 07:53:44	Gnana	its right?
2024-04-24 07:54:07	Gnana	dbus-launch[5305]: Could not connect: No such file or directory
2024-04-24 07:54:53	ponies	like does upower -i even exist? idk
2024-04-24 07:56:58	gehidore	Pikk3wyn so really fucking edge case and a waste of time
2024-04-24 07:57:17	Pikk3wyn	gehidore: yeah 
2024-04-24 07:57:31	Pikk3wyn	unless you got lightning, no real worries from that
2024-04-24 07:57:49	Pikk3wyn	get a decent plug and all, but youshould be good
2024-04-24 07:57:52	gehidore	Lightning hitting the right place at the right time etc
2024-04-24 07:58:11	Pikk3wyn	ja
2024-04-24 07:59:19	Pikk3wyn	ja
2024-04-24 08:00:01	Pikk3wyn	Gnana: out of interest does anyone use hyprland on the desktop?
2024-04-24 08:09:33	madprops	How can I override the behavior of the DPI button from a mouse? don't think xev detects it at all etc. But maybe there's a way
2024-04-24 08:10:04	gehidore	It's probably internal to the mouse
2024-04-24 08:10:16	madprops	yes. wondering if i can mess with that
2024-04-24 08:10:27	mpan	Install cyanoacrylate glue on your mouse, at the right spot. ;)
2024-04-24 08:10:33	gehidore	↑
2024-04-24 08:10:48	mpan	(try not permanently installing your fingers on the mouse in the process)
2024-04-24 08:11:09	madprops	no i want to use the button
2024-04-24 08:11:12	mpan	(if you do, don’t panic: they will fall off in a few days)
2024-04-24 08:11:28	gehidore	Have an unfortunate soldering accident that renders the button welded to the surrounding material
2024-04-24 08:11:29	mpan	But, on a serious note: yes, I suspect it’s internal to the mouse and it changes how often the mouse reports.
2024-04-24 08:13:01	mpan	You may use wireshark (it can interface usbmon) to monitor traffic from the mouse just to be certain.
2024-04-24 08:13:22	madprops	interesting
2024-04-24 08:19:13	teJECSke	is 56% cpu usage for xorg normal? locked idle kde workstation, looking at htop via ssh, ryzen5 5600x
2024-04-24 08:19:43	mpan	teJECSke: no
2024-04-24 08:19:59	teJECSke	tought so
2024-04-24 08:20:19	teJECSke	how can i find out the reason?
2024-04-24 08:20:29	mpan	Not that I know the cause, but certainly nto ok.
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2024-04-24 10:15:58	Furai	What is the naming convention in AUR for packages made from prepackaged release, from compiled binaries provided by upstream and from git? <package>, <package>-bin, <package>-git?
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2024-04-24 10:25:53	grawity	Furai: -bin if it's pre-compiled from upstream, usually -nightly-bin for precompiled daily/nightly builds, -git if the pkgbuild gets "latest git master" and builds from source (but not if it's pinned to a specific version)
2024-04-24 10:26:26	Furai	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Nonfree_applications_package_guidelines#Package_naming
2024-04-24 10:26:28	phrik	Title: Nonfree applications package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-24 10:26:35	Furai	This also is interesting.
2024-04-24 10:26:43	grawity	sometimes -bin is omitted if binaries are the only version available (it's there to allow foo and foo-bin to coexist)
2024-04-24 10:27:35	aequilibrium	I just had an error during and update, a new post transaction hook and an error resulting from it
2024-04-24 10:27:37	aequilibrium	Regenerate NVIDIA CDI (Container Device Interface)
2024-04-24 10:27:39	aequilibrium	time="2024-04-24T10:04:55+02:00" level=error msg="failed to generate CDI spec: failed to create device CDI specs: failed to initialize NVML: ERROR_LIB_RM_VERSION_MISMATCH"
2024-04-24 10:27:40	aequilibrium	error: command failed to execute correctly
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2024-04-24 10:32:02	Furai	grawity: thanks for taking time to answer. 
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2024-04-24 10:34:39	aequilibrium	grawity:  Oh hey, what's up man, didn't realize
2024-04-24 10:35:36	aequilibrium	and foo is usually built from the source tar ball, and foo-git is build straight from the git repo if I understand
2024-04-24 10:35:47	grawity	no
2024-04-24 10:35:55	grawity	foo is a specific release, foo-git is 'current git master'
2024-04-24 10:36:17	grawity	by now probably half of the "release" packages in Arch are built from git instead of tarballs
2024-04-24 10:36:56	grawity	the difference is only whether they get a specific #commit= / #tag= or not
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2024-04-24 10:37:52	aequilibrium	Ah I see
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2024-04-24 10:38:30	aequilibrium	So difference between rolling and stable~ish release
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2024-04-24 10:41:02	grawity	"tarball vs git" was the original meaning at some point, but eventually the implementation changed, only the semantics remain
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2024-04-24 10:46:30	aequilibrium	Right
2024-04-24 10:47:35	aequilibrium	grawity: but I didnt understand the part about commits and tags, as I see is the only difference it being released as a tarball or being directly compiled from master, so git is less stable but more up to date right?
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2024-04-24 10:52:30	aequilibrium	So no one encounter the new Nvidia CDI hook and error?
2024-04-24 10:52:31	Khorne	It's not only building main but the HEAD of main, so yes, it's not stable at all. Non -git releases build a specific commit or tag (usually a release tag or commit=
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2024-04-24 10:52:54	aequilibrium	Khorne: Yep, thanks
2024-04-24 10:52:56	Khorne	(So the same code as a release tarball if one existed)
2024-04-24 10:53:02	aequilibrium	^
2024-04-24 10:53:15	aequilibrium	What I meant by master/main is the current HEAD
2024-04-24 10:53:32	aequilibrium	Even know that one is a branch other is the HEAD of the commit history
2024-04-24 10:53:50	aequilibrium	for that branch
2024-04-24 10:54:26	grawity	ok, if you want to be pedantic don't be mixing up 'head' and 'HEAD'
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2024-04-24 10:54:35	aequilibrium	Xz was being build from the tarball :D
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2024-04-24 10:54:39	aequilibrium	:joy:
2024-04-24 10:54:42	grawity	"HEAD of main" makes no sense in git
2024-04-24 10:55:08	aequilibrium	Why not, can't multiple branches have a HEAD?
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2024-04-24 10:57:58	Khorne	Nah he's right, HEAD is the current checkout
2024-04-24 10:58:37	Khorne	head/tip of main (as in most recent commit) is what -git packages build
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2024-04-24 10:58:50	Khorne	or should anyway
2024-04-24 10:59:33	aequilibrium	Makes sense, but if there would be alternate branches they too have their own HEADs meaning the latest commit in the branch
2024-04-24 10:59:45	Khorne	No they don't
2024-04-24 10:59:49	aequilibrium	Hu?
2024-04-24 10:59:55	Khorne	HEAD is a specific thing
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2024-04-24 11:00:27	grawity	they have their own 'heads', lowercase
2024-04-24 11:00:30	grawity	as in a regular noun
2024-04-24 11:00:55	grawity	uppercase 'HEAD' refers to something unrelated to branches in general
2024-04-24 11:01:01	aequilibrium	Right, but the HEAD is a pointer to the currently selected branch
2024-04-24 11:01:03	aequilibrium	ep
2024-04-24 11:01:05	aequilibrium	Yep just read
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2024-04-24 11:01:24	grawity	it can be a pointer to a branch head, or it can be a pointer directly to whatever other commit
2024-04-24 11:01:25	aequilibrium	"You can think of the HEAD as the "current branch". When you switch branches with git checkout, the HEAD revision changes to point to the tip of the new branch."
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2024-04-24 11:02:21	grawity	e.g. if you check out an older commit, then HEAD no longer points to a branch head (or to a branch in any way at all), it just points to the commit you checked out
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2024-04-24 11:02:29	aequilibrium	Right, but then you can forget about all following commits, head is the pointer you'd break commit history, you'd have to split it and merge it to bring the HEAD a-HEAD again xDDDD
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2024-04-24 11:02:41	aequilibrium	yep
2024-04-24 11:02:44	aequilibrium	xD
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2024-04-24 11:05:07	aequilibrium	Huh yet another "HEAD can point to any commit, it does not need to be the last commit in any branch. (When HEAD points to a commit that is not the last commit in a branch, that is a "detached HEAD").", but it doesn't make sense, why is called HEAD then, Im assuming when you select a previous commit, you can't track any changes that are children of it, so that's why it
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2024-04-24 11:05:09	raster	aequilibrium: git "master" being stable is entirely a project by project thing. there is no definition at all that git master (head or whatever the latest development state is) is actually less stable than some "release". you need to understand the specific project to know how this works.
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2024-04-24 11:05:37	aequilibrium	raster: Yes, that's what I'd
2024-04-24 11:05:38	aequilibrium	said
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2024-04-24 11:06:11	jelle	it's 2024, it's main raster ;-)
2024-04-24 11:06:22	aequilibrium	Release should be however always considered stable unless there are different channels or the project is still in early stages and is advised as such
2024-04-24 11:06:29	aequilibrium	jelle: MASTER
2024-04-24 11:06:30	raster	jelle: master or bust. :)
2024-04-24 11:06:31	aequilibrium	:D
2024-04-24 11:06:45	aequilibrium	master branch sounds better than main
2024-04-24 11:06:55	jelle	raster: trunk!
2024-04-24 11:07:11	raster	jelle: CVS ftw! :)
2024-04-24 11:07:18	aequilibrium	Btw, have you fellas had issues with the new pacman update?
2024-04-24 11:07:45	raster	aequilibrium: releases are not necessarily more stable than "git" (master/main/head/whatever)
2024-04-24 11:07:53	aequilibrium	There's this new post-transaction hook and It errors out, but the transaction ends up commiting
2024-04-24 11:07:55	aequilibrium	Regenerate NVIDIA CDI (Container Device Interface
2024-04-24 11:07:58	raster	and by stable i mean "has less bugs"
2024-04-24 11:08:05	raster	unless you mean "changes less often" :)
2024-04-24 11:08:37	alad	jelle: my main branch is called "daddy"
2024-04-24 11:08:58	aequilibrium	Well git should be by design less stable because it's literally the development branch, releases are shipped once some checks are usually done, code review and such
2024-04-24 11:09:22	raster	maybe. maybe not.
2024-04-24 11:09:26	alad	unless you're google and say every commit is the last release
2024-04-24 11:09:38	aequilibrium	alad: hahahah
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2024-04-24 11:11:48	raster	certainly the stuff i work on git is almost always more stable. it gets fixes to bug first and accumulates them for several weeks/months before they are cherry-picked to some stable update release. so with a few exceptions of something new lands that creates new bugs (excluding new features that have new bugs in the new feature... as existing users may/will not be using the new feature yet) so
2024-04-24 11:11:48	raster	overall i'd say git 
2024-04-24 11:11:48	raster	is a better bet for day to day stability than releases on average. :)
2024-04-24 11:12:23	aequilibrium	Really?
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2024-04-24 11:13:33	aequilibrium	I mean I can imagine as such for smaller projects, but anything large, you might be able to fix minor stuff during the development process, it's literally part of it, but I've seen plenty of masters failing to build
2024-04-24 11:13:39	aequilibrium	It really depends on the project huh
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2024-04-24 11:16:14	raster	aequilibrium: yes. :) really :)
2024-04-24 11:16:33	raster	master not building is like a once in every few years moment...
2024-04-24 11:17:01	raster	and releases can suffer that too - if you have the right corner case (enable/disable the wright permutation of options on the right target system)
2024-04-24 11:18:02	raster	and these release doesnt build issues take quite a while to fix (have to go through a whole release process for a minor update). a fix to git master can be in in <1min.
2024-04-24 11:18:20	raster	a release process takes most of a day.
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2024-04-24 11:19:39	raster	(meson dist, test this, write release notes indicating changes, write release announcements, email, put on www news feed, upload tarballs, check all links/refs to latest tarball are right, sha's are correct etc. etc. etc.)
2024-04-24 11:19:46	aequilibrium	Makes sense, I mean look at arch, it's very much stable, even though its rolling release, more so than the supposedly more stable forks
2024-04-24 11:20:00	aequilibrium	That delay the release window
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2024-04-24 11:21:37	raster	i guess my point is - yes - all the process around a release is meant to improve stability BUT it slows things down. a lot. it means i am not going to do bugfix stable releases quickly. it's why i accumulate fixes for weeks/months to do it all in one hit as it's going to take all that time to do.
2024-04-24 11:22:13	raster	but a git commit + push takes abbout 2 seconds (excluding writing the log - maybe < 1min or possibly < 30s if its a simple fix)
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2024-04-24 11:22:49	raster	as the main dev i run/use git master every single day, all day. i dogfood it fully. i do not do that to releases.
2024-04-24 11:23:56	raster	if there is an issue it can be fixed very fast in git (i literally have put in a bug - someone updated/rebuilt a min or 2 later - i went "oh crap" and fixed the simple problem within the next 30 seconds... job done - bug existed for all of maybe 2-3 mins)
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2024-04-24 11:25:38	raster	so all in all on my stuff i'd argue git is more stable. new things may be unstable for a while - but they are new. dont use new things unless you want to partake in that. releases dont see new things for months or even years - you dont even get access so i would carve out these new things (as long as the new thing is optional).
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2024-04-24 13:47:18	ian|	Hello. Regarding the AUR helper yay, why are some AUR packages consider "aur/foo" and others "devel/foo2"
2024-04-24 13:47:33	ian|	doesn't seem to make a difference if the package name ends in '-git' or not
2024-04-24 13:48:54	Namarrgon	Do both of them have a pkgver() function?
2024-04-24 13:49:54	astralc	depend how yay define devel packages
2024-04-24 13:51:14	ian|	i use LXQt as a desktop environment and use the bleeding edge aur packages
2024-04-24 13:51:47	ian|	they used to be all devel/ but now some are aur/
2024-04-24 13:51:54	ian|	they end in -git
2024-04-24 13:52:11	astralc	maybe you need to run --gendb again?
2024-04-24 13:52:32	Namarrgon	Can you name two examples, one for aur/ and one for devel/?
2024-04-24 13:53:32	ian|	aur/duckstation, devel/lximage-qt-git
2024-04-24 13:54:55	Namarrgon	Oh, that's one of xiota's.
2024-04-24 13:55:27	jelle	ooof
2024-04-24 13:56:35	Namarrgon	ignore aur/duckstation, it's not a good example
2024-04-24 13:56:49	ian|	the tricky thing is there's no way to see the foo in foo/bar for packages for both pacman and helpers unless you're updating
2024-04-24 13:57:29	Namarrgon	Doesn't the "aur/" prefix give it away?
2024-04-24 13:57:33	astralc	"aur" and "devel" are not real repos
2024-04-24 13:57:46	astralc	use local repos, and they can be!
2024-04-24 13:57:55	ian|	the thing is yay handles aur/ and devel/ slightly differently
2024-04-24 14:21:00	Paddy_NI	Would anyone know how to use "jq" (or perhaps something else, local) to convert the json output by "doggo ANY somedomainname.com @8.8.8.8 --json" to csv?
2024-04-24 14:22:06	susi-	depends on how the json output looks like, and how it should be 'converted'
2024-04-24 14:22:39	jelle	(and what csv)
2024-04-24 14:23:46	Paddy_NI	Here is an example https://pastebin.com/qvKx0cGZ
2024-04-24 14:23:47	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XHK-.txt
2024-04-24 14:23:48	phrik	Title: ubuntu.com | doggo - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-04-24 14:24:58	Paddy_NI	It's just to have a tidy way to store dns records for a client
2024-04-24 14:25:11	Paddy_NI	They don't need to be perfect
2024-04-24 14:25:43	Paddy_NI	I really need to learn regexp and jq. I think it would be liberating
2024-04-24 14:27:29	jelle	jq is not hard
2024-04-24 14:28:00	jelle	give it 15 minutes and you should be able to output foo|bar|zoo
2024-04-24 14:28:01	Paddy_NI	At present I am finding it rather impenetrable
2024-04-24 14:28:36	mkoskar	Paddy_NI: start with smt like this `jq -r '.[].answers[] | .name + "," + .type + "," + .class'`
2024-04-24 14:28:37	Paddy_NI	It might be due to a mixture of extenuating circumstances
2024-04-24 14:29:21	Paddy_NI	mkoskar, jelle: I will give this ago thank you.
2024-04-24 14:32:44	Paddy_NI	Oh okay I think I see
2024-04-24 14:32:59	Paddy_NI	So jq has it's own "pipe"
2024-04-24 14:33:21	Paddy_NI	So I just piped the output to visidata
2024-04-24 14:33:24	Paddy_NI	Very nice :-)
2024-04-24 14:33:27	Paddy_NI	THank you
2024-04-24 14:33:59	Paddy_NI	So I just need to figure out how to structure it.
2024-04-24 14:34:23	susi-	but why csv, ain't json so much nicer
2024-04-24 14:34:51	Paddy_NI	susi-: I actually like the output from json but it's not something I would hand to a client
2024-04-24 14:35:20	Paddy_NI	And that client is to hand it to someone else potentially so it needs to fit on a spreadsheet neatly
2024-04-24 14:35:30	susi-	I think json is very good to hand down to clients and servers
2024-04-24 14:36:19	Paddy_NI	They also use Google Sheets for absolutely everything, which is another issue. I am just choosing my battles at the moment. The guy is retiring and is turning 70 soon.
2024-04-24 14:36:32	Paddy_NI	susi-: Client as in person/customer
2024-04-24 14:36:51	susi-	yeah, but such a client should absolutely prefer json to csv :-)
2024-04-24 14:36:58	susi-	especially for this kind of info
2024-04-24 14:36:58	Paddy_NI	lol
2024-04-24 14:37:25	Paddy_NI	I don't think I would agree but each to their own :-)
2024-04-24 14:40:43	mkoskar	Paddy_NI: tbh if you want it in this format then don't output with json in the first place, doggo is new to me heh, but you can get nice per-line output with dig
2024-04-24 14:41:21	mkoskar	also dns ANY is kinda useless nowadays
2024-04-24 14:44:03	Paddy_NI	mkoskar: Okay I will have to experiment around.
2024-04-24 14:54:04	Paddy_NI	mkoskar: It seems to largely work for me. Perhaps I am not privy to something?
2024-04-24 14:54:31	Paddy_NI	Is it because sites put themselves behind cloudflare etc?
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2024-04-24 15:21:35	mkoskar	Paddy_NI: depending on what you are interested in, response to ANY can range from nothing to *some* subset of records, definitely not all
2024-04-24 15:22:24	mkoskar	iirc there was some rfc wrt standardizing it too lately, because it was originally poorly defined
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2024-04-24 15:56:51	luna_	anyone else having problems with mirrors.osbeck.com today? my download times out and then i have to restart pacman and it uses lysator
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2024-04-24 16:02:00	Khorne	Try a different mirror
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2024-04-24 16:02:22	jelle	luna_: try not to crosspost again
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2024-04-24 16:02:51	luna_	jelle: alright
2024-04-24 16:03:16	luna_	Khorne: thats what i did and it worked, and commented out osbeck after tips in #archlinux-offtopic 
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2024-04-24 16:03:48	Khorne	luna_, mirrors break, life goes on
2024-04-24 16:03:57	luna_	yup
2024-04-24 16:04:07	bluetail	luna_ I always use the official mirrors cause mirrors other than official are often flaky
2024-04-24 16:04:17	bluetail	thats why I dont use reflector anymore
2024-04-24 16:04:17	mpan	bluetail: these are official.
2024-04-24 16:04:34	bluetail	yep but as soon as I run reflector it doesnt take a week and I get update issues
2024-04-24 16:04:46	jelle	then don't blindly run reflector
2024-04-24 16:04:55	bluetail	shut up
2024-04-24 16:05:06	bluetail	I had ranked it by the best 1000 by connection speed
2024-04-24 16:05:43	bluetail	if you want problems, then continue in treating others like garbage and you may find it sometime
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2024-04-24 16:07:04	jelle	bluetail: that guarrentees speed not how often it is updated
2024-04-24 16:07:18	jelle	so likely you also want to pass --age or --delay
2024-04-24 16:07:25	jelle	honestly reflector has too many silly knobs
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2024-04-24 16:07:51	vycka	i just use score its fast and good enough
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2024-04-24 18:36:54	simark	Hello, if I have a change to propose to an official package's PKGBUILD, do I just open a merge request on gitlab.archlinux.org ?
2024-04-24 18:37:03	jelle	simark: yes
2024-04-24 18:37:11	jelle	what is the change?
2024-04-24 18:37:13	simark	Cool, thanks
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2024-04-24 18:37:24	simark	Adding configure flags to enable some features
2024-04-24 18:37:29	jelle	sure
2024-04-24 18:37:36	simark	And orthogonally, bump the version
2024-04-24 18:38:06	jelle	don't do that :)
2024-04-24 18:38:29	rcf	Configure flags are fairly easy to justify. 
2024-04-24 18:39:55	gromit	simark: check out https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/General_guidelines#GitLab
2024-04-24 18:39:56	phrik	Title: General guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-24 18:41:02	simark	gromit: ah, thanks, that was the info I was looking for
2024-04-24 18:41:14	simark	I couldn't find the right page
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2024-04-24 19:20:57	Aryan	where does 'error' function come from?
2024-04-24 19:21:01	Aryan	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/devtools/-/blob/master/src/lib/common.sh?ref_type=heads#L331
2024-04-24 19:21:02	phrik	Title: src/lib/common.sh · master · Arch Linux / devtools · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-24 19:23:13	Aryan	I can't find it
2024-04-24 19:24:50	LeonardoMdC	hello guys, I've been trying with some help pages on the internet without success, maybe I can get some help here
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2024-04-24 19:25:24	LeonardoMdC	I have an old Dell Inspiron with a built in sd card reader
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2024-04-24 19:25:45	Aryan	found it, comes from this file: /usr/share/makepkg/util/message.sh is owned by pacman 6.1.0-3
2024-04-24 19:25:52	LeonardoMdC	when I insert a card i can see on disks that it appears with zero bytes
2024-04-24 19:26:06	LeonardoMdC	also when I run lsblk
2024-04-24 19:27:15	LeonardoMdC	but no other command can be performed on the sd card
2024-04-24 19:27:44	LeonardoMdC	is there a way? I used some other distro in the past and I remember using the sd card
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2024-04-24 19:33:54	susi-	and you have read this? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Smartcards
2024-04-24 19:33:55	phrik	Title: Smartcards - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-24 19:34:21	susi-	oh, nvm that, yoo ain't talking about smartcards
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2024-04-24 19:42:03	LeonardoMdC	@susi yep, it's about sd/micro sd
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2024-04-24 19:44:13	Namarrgon	What gets logged to the kernel log when you insert the sdcard?
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2024-04-24 19:58:54	manuels	does anybody have a clue how i get debug symbols in flatpak-coredumpctl?
2024-04-24 19:59:09	manuels	cmake qt based project
2024-04-24 19:59:20	manuels	i built with build type Debug
2024-04-24 19:59:32	manuels	so actually there should be symbols
2024-04-24 19:59:46	manuels	but i guess flatpak-builder somehow strips them
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2024-04-24 21:04:13	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-24 21:04:13	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1483 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1482 regular)
2024-04-24 20:22:26	LeonardoMdC	@Namarrgon, i have to check, but I reinstalled yesterday it's not even showing
2024-04-24 20:22:28	LeonardoMdC	darn
2024-04-24 20:25:09	hlein	23_18:52 < brocellous> hlein: seem like gitlab also substitutes : chars
2024-04-24 20:25:13	hlein	it would be great if i could read
2024-04-24 20:25:55	SoapJr	Wow, is Arch that popular? 1482 nicks...
2024-04-24 20:26:20	SoapJr	What are you guys using Arch for, mostly? And why Arch? I am on Ubuntu or Debian.
2024-04-24 20:27:00	Warepire	SoapJr: Everything. But each to their own regarding which distro is good for them.
2024-04-24 20:27:26	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Main_page Check the links in the first section
2024-04-24 20:27:27	phrik	Title: ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-24 20:27:48	LeonardoMdC	yeah, I'm using as my main --and lately only-- distro
2024-04-24 20:28:05	demure	some people prefer the faster updates compared to non rolling release distos. some people prefer handling configuration instead of having generalized defaults installed. etc
2024-04-24 20:28:06	SoapJr	I remember using Arch a few years ago when I wanted a lightweight "vanilla" distro for specific tasks actually
2024-04-24 20:32:01	Foxboron	I just got tricked into this 10 years ago and didn't find the exit button
2024-04-24 20:32:42	Namarrgon	Hotel Arch Linux
2024-04-24 20:35:25	demure	some people find an exit -- into gentoo :p
2024-04-24 20:39:20	hadronized	hello; I’m looking for some ideas about MUA / setup; I want to setup my own email server and (CLI / TUI) client, but I’m honestly a bit lost with all the possible choices; is there any advice for a modern setup?
2024-04-24 20:47:30	brjl	hadronized: You'll need an MTA and an MDA
2024-04-24 20:47:34	brjl	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Mail_server
2024-04-24 20:47:36	phrik	Title: Mail server - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-24 20:47:48	hadronized	brjl: yes, I read that, but I’m not entirely sure what’s the current state
2024-04-24 20:47:54	hadronized	Postfix, Procmail, Exim, etc. etc.
2024-04-24 20:48:10	hadronized	looks like I should stay away from Sendmail?
2024-04-24 20:49:41	brjl	Have you taken a look at courier?
2024-04-24 20:51:14	hadronized	I haven’t; let me google that 
2024-04-24 20:54:42	demure	hadronized: if you have your own domain and only want one or two email users, it can be worth considering letting your registar/etc host the mailboxes for you. it can be a lot setup to get to the point were sending an email to a big provider (gmail) doesn't get flagged.
2024-04-24 20:55:35	brjl	Yeah. There's that aswell
2024-04-24 21:04:14	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-24 21:05:46	teraflops	demure: google is ok, but outlook is a pain in the ass
2024-04-24 21:06:32	teraflops	they block /24 so if your ip address is in there you cannot send emails to their domains
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2024-04-24 21:19:49	Dazzletune	So you can use Arch Linux to host a mail server?
2024-04-24 21:19:49	Dazzletune	But why use Arch for that when you can use Rocky Linux or Alma Linux?
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2024-04-24 21:20:30	Earnestly	It doesn't matter
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2024-04-24 21:20:45	Dazzletune	Uh...
2024-04-24 21:20:46	demure	If you have already chosen to have an arch server, you may not want to run a second server *shrug*
2024-04-24 21:20:50	vycka	use freebsd obviously
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2024-04-24 21:20:57	vycka	or mac os
2024-04-24 21:21:04	Dazzletune	Technically, as a Linux distribution , Arch can be used.
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2024-04-24 21:21:19	Earnestly	Choice of distro basically doesn't matter, it's all the same
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2024-04-24 21:21:28	Dazzletune	But most online tutorials and guides are geared towards RHEL, clones of RHEL, Debian, and Ubuntu.
2024-04-24 21:21:43	Earnestly	The problem in that sentence is "online tutorials"
2024-04-24 21:21:47	Dazzletune	Rocky Linux is a free of cost clone of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
2024-04-24 21:21:55	Dazzletune	Earnestly: What?
2024-04-24 21:21:59	demure	... if someone is running arch, they should be able to read guides and figure out how to make it work on arch
2024-04-24 21:22:06	Earnestly	Virtually all online tutorials are trash
2024-04-24 21:22:10	Dazzletune	Psi-Jack: What's your point?
2024-04-24 21:22:14	Dazzletune	Earnestly: Depends.
2024-04-24 21:22:37	Dazzletune	I tried many Linux tutorials outside the Arch Wiki and most surprisingly work.
2024-04-24 21:22:44	Dazzletune	I prefer Rocky Linux.
2024-04-24 21:22:49	Dazzletune	For servers.
2024-04-24 21:22:51	Earnestly	Dazzletune: It's just not worth the effort to try and shift through mountains of the stuff to find the few rare gems written by people who are almost just repeating the official documentation
2024-04-24 21:22:58	Earnestly	sift*
2024-04-24 21:22:58	Dazzletune	Arch for desktops/laptops
2024-04-24 21:23:14	Earnestly	What distro you use makes no difference, all the software is the same
2024-04-24 21:23:18	Dazzletune	Earnestly: That's not my experience.
2024-04-24 21:23:25	Earnestly	It will be
2024-04-24 21:23:27	Dazzletune	Earnestly: Not exactly true.
2024-04-24 21:23:33	Earnestly	You'll come to see in time
2024-04-24 21:23:40	Dazzletune	See what?
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2024-04-24 21:24:25	Dazzletune	Are you calling me dumb?
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2024-04-24 21:24:35	Dazzletune	I have common sense.
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2024-04-24 21:25:15	demure	I think we've gotten off topic, and it's not like we'll convince you that people are allowed to run what they want. so lets move on.
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2024-04-24 21:26:01	Earnestly	Dazzletune: "See what?" is a bit of a strange question to ask when it was outlined. What you'll see is that all distros are the same, it's all about the software you use. You'll come to see that official documentation is better than google (which will increasibly become the case)
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2024-04-24 21:27:15	Dazzletune	demure: Uh, I do agree that people should be allowed to run whatever software they want.
2024-04-24 21:27:24	Dazzletune	Don't accuse me of being closed-minded.
2024-04-24 21:28:00	Dazzletune	Earnestly: Thank you. I agree that official documentation is the best place to find troubleshooting help.
2024-04-24 21:28:02	Earnestly	(Also that latest version is better than "stable" and that rebooting is good actually)
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2024-04-24 21:29:12	Dazzletune	Earnestly: It's against the Arch Linux Code of Conduct to attack or belittle other Linux distros like Manjaro. You are allowed to dislike Manjaro holding back packages to "try to be more stable", but you do not need to belittle Manjaro.
2024-04-24 21:29:18	Earnestly	There seems to be more "ai generated" articles, or at least what I've seen
2024-04-24 21:29:31	Earnestly	Dazzletune: I don't care about Arch's CoC
2024-04-24 21:31:11	Earnestly	(Also I didn't mention manjaro, I was thinking more of "enterprise" distros)
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2024-04-24 21:32:05	Earnestly	Although manjaro should be warned against unless they've fixed their practices; I haven't looked into that situation for years so I have no opinion anymore
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2024-04-24 21:35:18	Dazzletune	Earnestly: Uh, this IRC room is branded as "Arch Linux" and the Arch CoC apply here too.
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2024-04-24 21:35:33	Earnestly	Dazzletune: I don't really care about any of that
2024-04-24 21:35:40	teraflops	Dazzletune: hey chill
2024-04-24 21:35:52	Earnestly	(No one should care)
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2024-04-24 21:41:22	Earnestly	In a sense I'd probably use gentoo for servers to the degree I could centralise the configuration management. nixos is probably fine too
2024-04-24 21:41:48	vycka	nixos lacks documentation
2024-04-24 21:42:17	Earnestly	The goal is really being control over the specific software in use
2024-04-24 21:42:22	Earnestly	in control*
2024-04-24 21:42:53	Earnestly	(Esp. with known hardware configs)
2024-04-24 21:43:07	Earnestly	Of course
2024-04-24 21:45:23	Earnestly	An old workstation just for building software, most of which is really quite small and take seconds to complete (ime ./configure can often take double the time to compile due to lack of parallelism), which also then acts as source for binary distribution to everything else
2024-04-24 21:45:23	Earnestly	Might even pack up the software was an erofs/squashfs/etc. read-only bit, idk.
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2024-04-24 21:46:13	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-24 21:46:14	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1472 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1471 regular)
2024-04-24 21:45:55	Earnestly	Psi-Jack: Yeah, I've seen enough to sweep aside the entire "version pinning  + backports" approach; ideally anyway
2024-04-24 21:46:14	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-24 21:52:02	snoriman	Hi! I'm trying to figure out an issue I'm having with Node.js's resolver. I'm running into this issue: https://github.com/nodemailer/nodemailer/issues/1432 and not sure if this is caused by systemd-resolved or not but I'm not sure how to check that. Someone around who can maybe help me a bit?
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2024-04-24 21:56:03	Earnestly	The issue is marked as fixed
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2024-04-24 21:57:08	snoriman	Yeah, though it's not working for me; and atm I'm not 100% sure if that's the issue. However here https://nodemailer.com/smtp/ they write: "Hostnames for the host field are resolved using dns.resolve(). If you are using a non-resolvable hostname (eg. something listed in /etc/hosts or you are using different resolver for you Node apps) then provide the IP address of the SMTP server as host "
2024-04-24 21:57:08	phrik	Title: SMTP transport :: Nodemailer (at nodemailer.com)
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2024-04-24 21:58:27	snoriman	So it, it seems that Node.js has it's own resolver; on my other PC which is not using systemd-resolved it does work. 
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2024-04-24 21:59:29	umaxtu	of course it does.
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2024-04-24 22:00:34	snoriman	umaxtu: can you explain why? I'm not sure if I understand why 
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2024-04-24 22:02:56	umaxtu	I'm not at all qualified to comment on it. I'm just being an uneducated Node hater
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2024-04-24 22:04:57	snoriman	:) 
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2024-04-25 06:10:22	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-25 06:10:22	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1424 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1423 regular)
2024-04-24 22:15:40	hlein	aaaah
2024-04-24 22:15:48	hlein	toula++ -> https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/toluaplusplus/-/archive/1.0.93-4/toluaplusplus-1.0.93-4.tar.bz2
2024-04-24 22:15:55	hlein	gtk2+extra -> https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/gtk2-extra/-/archive/3.3.4-2/gtk2-extra-3.3.4-2.tar.bz2
2024-04-24 22:18:35	hlein	qt5-tools ->  https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/qt5-tools/-/archive/5.15.13+kde+r4-1/qt5-tools-5.15.13+kde+r4-1.tar.bz2
2024-04-24 22:18:38	hlein	 
2024-04-24 22:19:20	hlein	so... the rules for + are different for packagename (mangled) vs version (preserved), and, packagename gets... s/++/plusplus/; s/+/-/ ?
2024-04-24 22:21:05	hlein	i don't see this called out in say https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_package_guidelines , is there somewhere else i should consult to make sure i understand the mappings fully?
2024-04-24 22:21:07	phrik	Title: Arch package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-24 22:21:29	chovy	latest update broke sleep mode
2024-04-24 22:46:04	libsys	hello people.. I'm trying to compile mosh-server statically but I get the error "configure: error: found OpenSSL without AES support"
2024-04-24 22:46:42	libsys	how could I install those development files? It only happens when I try to statically link
2024-04-24 22:46:50	Teeed	that means that your openssl does not have aes support
2024-04-24 22:47:36	libsys	yup... but I'm just using the openssl on the repos
2024-04-24 22:47:53	libsys	should I also build openssl?
2024-04-24 22:50:02	susi-	what cpu youse got
2024-04-24 22:50:55	libsys	it's an x86_64
2024-04-24 22:51:06	HuntsMan	that's not a CPU
2024-04-24 22:51:19	libsys	Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3320M CPU @ 2.60GHz
2024-04-24 23:20:59	libsys	Foxboron: thanks!
2024-04-24 23:27:03	hadronized	demure: hm, yeah, not sure whether OVH would allow me that
2024-04-24 23:27:22	hadronized	(using their registrar for the mailboxes)
2024-04-24 23:30:11	libsys	I meant demonicmaniac1: thanks! 
2024-04-24 23:30:13	libsys	heh
2024-04-24 23:30:32	libsys	thanks to both in any case
2024-04-24 23:39:48	losth1ghway	hey im having an issue with a brother DCP-L2520DW printer scanner. printing is now set up fine using cups, but trying to set up scanning using sane.
2024-04-24 23:40:29	losth1ghway	when trying to scan from my user im getting the following error:  bugchk_free(ptr=(nil))@modelinf.c(464)
2024-04-24 23:40:43	losth1ghway	but scanning (using simple-scan) as sudo works fine
2024-04-24 23:41:25	losth1ghway	there is a note about linking /usr/local/brother to /usr/share/brother on this page of aw: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/SANE/Scanner-specific_problems
2024-04-24 23:41:26	phrik	Title: SANE/Scanner-specific problems - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-24 23:41:44	losth1ghway	but i don't have either of those locations on my system
2024-04-24 23:43:57	demonicmaniac1	Foxboron: yeah my bad meant to say "in general/as a rule of thumb" there's definitely exceptions!
2024-04-25 00:39:38	zev	 /quit
2024-04-25 00:43:25	rcf	Dammit I used to have one of those
2024-04-25 01:01:53	⚡ 	cloudowind wishes good times everyone
2024-04-25 01:07:33	bluetail	Does a file system raid/fs exist that would track the members by disk serial number rather than metadata/UUID/PARTUUID?
2024-04-25 01:07:57	bluetail	I asked in btrfs but to my surprise there was no confident answer to this
2024-04-25 01:09:18	rcf	bluetail: I’ve never seen one. 
2024-04-25 01:10:16	bluetail	would there be a good reason for it?
2024-04-25 01:10:21	jclsn	I can't run valgrind anymore. Says the debuginfo for glibc is missing
2024-04-25 01:10:47	gog	in theory you could write a udev rule to make device nodes by serial number
2024-04-25 01:11:23	gog	jclsn: debuginfod
2024-04-25 01:11:43	gog	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debuginfod
2024-04-25 01:11:44	phrik	Title: Debuginfod - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-25 01:15:20	jclsn	gog: Getting a Server query failed: Connection reset by peer
2024-04-25 01:16:33	jclsn	Okay works for the example
2024-04-25 01:16:49	jclsn	But shouldn't valgrind download the debuginfo automatically?
2024-04-25 01:17:38	rcf	bluetail: going by device would make naive clones easier, but that’s about it. And not so useful for RAID. 
2024-04-25 01:18:40	bluetail	not all disks provide serial. true?
2024-04-25 01:18:48	rcf	bluetail: I always note the serial number when a drive goes bad and needs replacing but that can be done easily enough without filesystem support. Also that.
2024-04-25 01:18:58	bluetail	ic
2024-04-25 01:19:51	rcf	I do that mostly to avoid trying to rebuild having swapped out a good drive by mistake. 
2024-04-25 01:20:37	rcf	Not that would ever be so silly as to make that mistake, of course. 
2024-04-25 02:27:12	jenia2	Hello
2024-04-25 02:27:28	rcf	!welcomerpg
2024-04-25 02:27:29	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you deleted your precious data today.
2024-04-25 02:27:37	jenia2	lol
2024-04-25 02:27:47	jenia2	How do you tell why you system freezes from time to time? I'm sure it's calculatting something or waiting on something
2024-04-25 02:27:52	jenia2	probably waiting
2024-04-25 02:28:23	jenia2	It sort of lags, freezes for 2 seconds or so from time to time
2024-04-25 02:29:22	rcf	jenia2: check the journal around the time of the freeze first
2024-04-25 02:29:34	jenia2	makes 100% sense
2024-04-25 02:29:37	jenia2	thanks!
2024-04-25 02:31:17	jenia2	how do you paging in a man page? (blush)
2024-04-25 02:31:23	jenia2	oh. I se
2024-04-25 02:31:24	jenia2	e :)
2024-04-25 02:33:28	quarters	hello. are pckages that are installed available to all users?
2024-04-25 02:33:36	ju	jclsn: i had the same issue with debuginfo. If you have glibc 2.39-1 or older you probably need to update your system
2024-04-25 02:36:27	Soni	how do you mount an encrypted disk? we skimmed the wiki but we're struggling to find it again
2024-04-25 02:36:37	rcf	quarters: generally, if it installs in /bin, it’s supposed to be usable by any user (whether it can do anything useful without privileges is another matter)
2024-04-25 02:36:43	Soni	(surely the wiki mentions how to do this?)
2024-04-25 02:38:46	gaku	Soni: depends on what kind, but iirc the dm-crypt pages have it, regardless, cryptsetup open? man cryptsetup
2024-04-25 02:39:03	quarters	rcf, thank you
2024-04-25 02:41:13	Soni	thanks
2024-04-25 02:51:36	rcf	quarters: outside of truly bizarre edge cases, remember that because pacman is running as root it wouldn’t be useful for it to limit anything to whomever happens to be invoking it. 
2024-04-25 02:56:17	Codebecile	Southe my curiousity- What happened with Pacman?
2024-04-25 02:56:34	Codebecile	(rcf, forgot to ping
2024-04-25 02:57:04	rcf	Nothing, it is operating as it always has. 
2024-04-25 03:22:16	BrainDamage	pacman doesn't require root always, eg query operations work as regular user
2024-04-25 03:22:47	BrainDamage	but even for strictly root only programs there's no need for segregation, as long as the permission system works
2024-04-25 04:10:59	demonicmaniac1	hrm bollocks i know i reported bugs before but none of my mails seem to be recognized i guess was pre new gitlab thing
2024-04-25 05:17:12	xecuter	hiho, do you know an application for installing game mods from as like as nexusmod?
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2024-04-25 06:16:58	cloudowind	ive downloaded and installed emacs  yesterday to test , after 5 minutes ive removed it with -Rs , i dont know if since ive restarted but on my tas manager ijust saw a process under firefox named emacs-deamon i dont know what it was doing in there
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2024-04-25 06:16:58	mpan	cloudowind: pacman does not stop processes or affect user environments.
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2024-04-25 06:22:35	cloudowind	ty
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2024-04-25 06:25:32	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-25 06:36:14	rawhide	how do I use pacman to download a package from the repo without installing it?
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2024-04-25 06:36:58	mpan	rawhide: is that for a temporary situation and you will install it instantly afterwards (like during solving a particular problem), or download for later use?
2024-04-25 06:37:36	mpan	rawhide: also, a single package or e.g. entire set of packages for an update?
2024-04-25 06:38:22	rawhide	mpan, a sigle package
2024-04-25 06:38:28	rawhide	*single
2024-04-25 06:38:55	rawhide	for later use
2024-04-25 06:39:53	mpan	sudo pacman -Sw PKGNAME
2024-04-25 06:40:43	rawhide	will the package be saved to the current dir?
2024-04-25 06:40:53	mpan	No, to the cache. 
2024-04-25 06:41:02	mpan	(along with all the dependencies)
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2024-04-25 06:41:30	rawhide	is there a way to point the download to a specific directory instead?
2024-04-25 06:41:31	mpan	If you just want to download a file, why using pacman at all?
2024-04-25 06:41:42	mpan	Yes, simply download the file with any tool of your choice. Not pacman.
2024-04-25 06:41:54	mpan	But that starts to sound like an XY problem. What is your actual goal?
2024-04-25 06:42:02	rawhide	if you know another method I'm all ears
2024-04-25 06:42:10	mpan	Any tool you wish.
2024-04-25 06:42:20	mpan	Your favourite browser, if you don’t like wget or curl.
2024-04-25 06:42:40	rawhide	from what source?
2024-04-25 06:43:02	◣	rosco (rosco@gateway/vpn/airvpn/rosco) has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2024-04-25 06:43:05	mpan	The mirror. Either your chosen one or the one to which package’s page links in “Download from mirror”.
2024-04-25 06:43:13	mpan	But that sounds like an XY problem. What is your actual goal?
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2024-04-25 06:44:25	rawhide	I hope I'm wrong but I get the sense that you're deliberately trying to confuse me
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2024-04-25 06:44:38	mpan	rawhide: I am trying to help you. You refuse to answer the question.
2024-04-25 06:44:45	mpan	What is your actual goal?
2024-04-25 06:45:08	rawhide	asked and answered earlier in this conversation
2024-04-25 06:45:33	mpan	No, you did not. You ask how to apply your chosen solution to the problem you never explained.
2024-04-25 06:45:44	mpan	What is the initial problem you want to solve?
2024-04-25 06:46:07	rawhide	nvm
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2024-04-25 06:46:32	mpan	Well, ok. Then I answered your question directly. Above. Now we will count the days until you come with a broken system due to a partial upgrade…
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2024-04-25 06:47:00	mpan	(And then you will be refused any help)
2024-04-25 06:47:10	rawhide	lol you're a troll
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2024-04-25 06:59:43	teraflops	rawhide: read the manpage, i.e sudo pacman -Sw tree --cachedir .
2024-04-25 07:00:03	teraflops	rawhide: and no, he is not trolling at all
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2024-04-25 07:03:14	rawhide	teraflops, thanks for the --cachedir
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2024-04-25 07:08:15	rawhide	sudo pacman -Sw packetname --cachedir ~/Desktop
2024-04-25 07:08:35	rawhide	^ which is exactly what I was looking for :)
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2024-04-25 09:05:16	l_	For some reason I can't activate upload links on any website with any browser. This is a rather recent problem. When I click on an upload button nothing happens; at least, no upload dialog appears.  Does anyone have a solution?
2024-04-25 09:06:20	BrainDamage	maybe it's a file selection problem? like you're missing a portal implementation
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2024-04-25 09:07:06	BrainDamage	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_Desktop_Portal
2024-04-25 09:07:08	phrik	Title: XDG Desktop Portal - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-25 09:22:12	l_	BrainDamage and phrik, thank you. I'm using Stumpwm. So, what backend should I use.  xdg-desktop-portal and xdg-desktop-portal-gnome were already installed.
2024-04-25 09:24:20	Tom^	thats X11 does it really need a desktop portal then?
2024-04-25 09:24:35	Tom^	i thought that was only for wayland *shrug*
2024-04-25 09:26:34	demonicmaniac1	which browsers are you trying for one - and which toolkits do you have installed for two - and does maybe stumpwm do something silly with not mapping/popping over the file selection dialogs in a native not browser toolkit?
2024-04-25 09:26:51	l_	Tom^: I don't know.  I just have gnome installed in case I have a problem with Stumpwm.
2024-04-25 09:28:18	l_	demonicmaniac1: Chromium, Vivaldi, Opera.
2024-04-25 09:28:39	BrainDamage	all those are chrome based
2024-04-25 09:28:48	mpan	!give l_ bot
2024-04-25 09:28:49	phrik	l_: I'm a bot! ~does the binary solo~ 00001 000011 0000111
2024-04-25 09:28:49	BrainDamage	so it's chrome with another skin
2024-04-25 09:29:37	BrainDamage	Tom^: depends on the program, some do need one
2024-04-25 09:29:50	mpan	l_: also, try running from terminal and see if you get any errors. Popular browsers are known for hiding errors, but perhaps something is spat out.
2024-04-25 09:29:58	sheep	do wayland-only apps need a portal?
2024-04-25 09:30:01	Tom^	BrainDamage: hm ok
2024-04-25 09:30:03	mpan	l_: does the save page dialog work?
2024-04-25 09:33:19	l_	mpan: no.
2024-04-25 09:33:43	demonicmaniac1	Tom^: portals originate from flatpak and stuff, they weren't made for wayland originally
2024-04-25 09:36:06	l_	Would electron25 have anything to do with this? 
2024-04-25 09:37:49	l_	Electron25 has been being updated every day for about a week, and today it won't compile.
2024-04-25 09:40:55	Tom^	demonicmaniac1: TIL :p
2024-04-25 09:44:51	mpan	l_: is that the answer to both questions?
2024-04-25 09:48:20	l_	mpan, no. That is just a statement of fact.  The question is "Could that be related?"
2024-04-25 09:49:25	mpan	l_: I ask about your earlier “no”, at :33. :D
2024-04-25 09:56:20	l_	mpan: the save page dialog does not work either.
2024-04-25 09:56:39	mpan	What about the errors?
2024-04-25 09:57:53	l_	Upload links on Firefox browser don't work either.
2024-04-25 09:59:45	l_	mpan, no errors are displayed. I click on the links, and nothing happens.
2024-04-25 09:59:50	mpan	:/
2024-04-25 10:00:16	Gnana	hey mpan 
2024-04-25 10:00:24	⚡ 	mpan has no ideas then (other than the portals are the likely explanation).
2024-04-25 10:00:30	mpan	Gnana: hello.
2024-04-25 10:01:07	Gnana	:)
2024-04-25 10:01:21	mpan	l_: you don’t have any third party packages (e.g. built from AUR PKGBUILDs) installed? And the system is fully updated?
2024-04-25 10:02:54	l_	I have many third party packages installed.  And, yes, the system is fully updated.
2024-04-25 10:03:31	mpan	Does any of those packages have anything to do with UI?
2024-04-25 10:05:55	l_	mpan, probably. I'll have to check. 
2024-04-25 10:12:59	mpan	l_: check if they are all up to date. Sometimes this may be a problem. Though normally that would produce some errors, as the relevant libraries couldn’t be loaded or something would crash.
2024-04-25 10:15:37	mpan	(if it’s not that: no ideas)
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2024-04-25 10:31:11	raster	ha! 
2024-04-25 10:31:25	raster	so yeah... it is the filesystem package that's broken
2024-04-25 10:31:45	raster	error: extract: not overwriting dir with file /usr/local/share/man
2024-04-25 10:31:45	raster	error: problem occurred while upgrading filesystem
2024-04-25 10:32:08	raster	imho /usr/local/* shouldn't be in the filesystem pkg...
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2024-04-25 10:47:16	grawity	imho your other packages shouldn't be installing stuff under /usr/local/share/man then
2024-04-25 10:47:21	dav1d	Can I run network manager and systemd-network at the same time or am I just gonna live in a world of pain? I want systemd-network for the wired connection and wireless via networkmanager, but currently networkmanager overrides my resolv.conf ...
2024-04-25 10:47:34	grawity	run systemd-resolved alongside
2024-04-25 10:47:48	grawity	networkmanager will use it for DNS settings if it's available
2024-04-25 10:47:57	grawity	also pay attention to what /etc/resolv.conf *is*
2024-04-25 10:48:22	grawity	different behavior depending on whether it's a regular file, or a symlink into NM's generated config, or a symlink into systemd-resolved's generated config
2024-04-25 10:48:37	grawity	if it's a symlink into a NM-owned file, don't be surprised NM keeps overwriting it
2024-04-25 10:49:00	dav1d	└─ % ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
2024-04-25 10:49:00	dav1d	-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 30 Apr 25 10:38 /etc/resolv.conf
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2024-04-25 10:49:23	grawity	run systemd-resolved and link it to resolved's generated config
2024-04-25 10:49:32	dav1d	But it had the comment in it that it was generated by NM, I'll try with systemd-resolved (honestly thought that was already running)
2024-04-25 10:50:01	grawity	if you want resolved's per-interface domains logic to work properly, link it to the config that just has 127.0.0.53
2024-04-25 10:50:36	raster	grawity: i have had aur stuff there i think before...
2024-04-25 10:51:14	raster	grawity: but as such /usr/local/* should be left to the user (owner/admin) of the system to manage and own. thats the tradition. sure - init some dirs there but then leave it alone :)
2024-04-25 10:51:52	grawity	raster: exactly, that's why the dirs are in the filesystem package
2024-04-25 10:52:02	raster	but then if i were to change them
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2024-04-25 10:52:16	raster	the filesystem pkg is most unhappy on an upgrade
2024-04-25 10:52:53	dav1d	grawity, seems to work, thanks!
2024-04-25 10:53:07	raster	imagine i made sbin a symlink to bin
2024-04-25 10:53:08	grawity	if you customize the shit out of your system to the extent that e.g. your /usr/local/bin is no longer a regular directory, then surely at this point you know about NoExtract in pacman.conf &c.
2024-04-25 10:53:11	raster	or what not...
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2024-04-25 10:59:17	jussihi	Hi, I'm having hard time creating a PKGBUILD to build an RPM package. The package is here; https://public.dhe.ibm.com/software/ibmi/products/odbc/rpms/x86_64/ibm-iaccess-1.1.0.27-1.0.x86_64.rpm
2024-04-25 10:59:19	jussihi	!paste
2024-04-25 10:59:19	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-04-25 10:59:56	jussihi	here is the corresponding PKGBUILD: https://bpa.st/E45A
2024-04-25 10:59:57	phrik	Title: View paste E45A (at bpa.st)
2024-04-25 11:00:59	jussihi	For some reason the makepkg -si fails to: error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files) and ibm-iaccess: /usr/lib64 exists in filesystem (owned by filesystem)
2024-04-25 11:01:20	grawity	jussihi: pacman will refuse to install through a symlink
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2024-04-25 11:01:45	jussihi	aha! So I should copy everything from under /usr/lib64 to /usr/lib when packaging?
2024-04-25 11:01:53	grawity	yes, or rather, move to /usr/lib
2024-04-25 11:02:06	jussihi	all right
2024-04-25 11:02:19	grawity	the find|xargs looks like it could be replaced with a cp -rv $srcdir/. $pkgdir/ though
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2024-04-25 11:04:59	jussihi	grawity, that did the trick. Thanks a lot, is it fine to leave the mv as; mv $pkgdir/usr/lib64 $pkgdir/usr/lib inside the PKGBUILD?
2024-04-25 11:05:14	grawity	if the original doesn't have /usr/lib yet, then yeah, that should be fine
2024-04-25 11:05:24	jussihi	thank you very much
2024-04-25 11:05:29	grawity	(if it does, that will end up with /usr/lib/lib64)
2024-04-25 11:05:47	jussihi	ah, what should I do in that case to make sure that doesn't happen?
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2024-04-25 11:06:06	jussihi	mkdir first and then move contents?
2024-04-25 11:06:28	grawity	probably several options; you could do mkdir first and move contents
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2024-04-25 11:14:27	dav1d	What's nowadays recommended to start/run your own little http server/app. I'd like to run it is a separate user and have it part of systemd but that seems to require almost a proper arch package to install all the necessary unit files, sys user file etc
2024-04-25 11:16:13	grawity	you can create the units and sysusers without a package
2024-04-25 11:16:24	grawity	dump them in /etc/systemd/system, /etc/sysusers.d, etc
2024-04-25 11:16:48	grawity	(for that matter you don't *need* sysusers if this is a little app, you can `useradd -r myapp` and have a user)
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2024-04-25 11:19:08	dav1d	grawity, then just link to the binary `/home/my-little-app/foobar` in the unit file?
2024-04-25 11:19:15	grawity	yes
2024-04-25 11:19:53	grawity	(I'd usually do /usr/local/my-little-app, just because it feels weird to dump service data in /home, but ultimately it's the same either way)
2024-04-25 11:20:03	dav1d	sounds good, thanks, iirc there is a `User=` directive as well
2024-04-25 11:20:19	dav1d	grawity, was thinking maybe /var/lib like the znc package does
2024-04-25 11:21:05	grawity	/var/lib is good for data directories, but not a very good fit for the app itself
2024-04-25 11:21:16	jussihi	Yes, there is User= directive that let's you run systemd services as the defined user
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2024-04-25 11:22:20	dav1d	mh is /usr/local really the best place for this user then, feels wrong, but cant say why
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2024-04-25 11:23:10	grawity	the home dir can be under /var/lib, yeah
2024-04-25 11:23:20	grawity	while the program files can go elsewhere
2024-04-25 11:24:16	dav1d	ah I see what you mean, will have to tinker with it, thanks for the pointers
2024-04-25 11:25:30	SysGhost	Stuff I make myself that really don't fit anywhere within the system, I put under /opt/username
2024-04-25 11:27:00	SysGhost	Custom scripts and executable binaries that I want to be reached "system-wide" I put under /usr/local/bin/
2024-04-25 11:27:20	SysGhost	otherwise ~/.bin/
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2024-04-25 11:34:45	SatoruGojo	I don't
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2024-04-25 11:50:51	al__	how much of a different arc is from debian?
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2024-04-25 11:51:03	al__	considering to switch
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2024-04-25 11:52:38	dav1d	I have pam_mount setup for my user `dav1d`, now if I login via ssh as user `foo` and do `su dav1d` the pam_mount isn't executed, is there a way to login via `login` and get a user shell (`login` is setup to call into pam_mount), `login dav1d` doesn't seem to give me a shell?
2024-04-25 11:54:01	grawity	machinectl login
2024-04-25 11:54:16	grawity	or ssh localhost, really
2024-04-25 11:54:45	teJECSke	having the same issue as yesterday, i locked my workstation, lock-screen-saver is a simple picture, turned off monitors, left home. i ssh back and see this in htop:
2024-04-25 11:54:55	teJECSke	CPU% MEM%   TIME+  Command
2024-04-25 11:55:01	teJECSke	56.9  1.9  2h40:32 /usr/lib/Xorg
2024-04-25 11:55:06	teJECSke	50.9  1.3  2h29:54 /usr/bin/kwin_x11
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2024-04-25 11:55:09	teraflops	I do this when I want to change gdm stuff, sudo machinectl shell gdm@ /bin/bash
2024-04-25 11:55:11	teJECSke	18.1  1.3 50:39.69 /usr/bin/kwin_x11
2024-04-25 11:55:29	grawity	teraflops: have you tried https://gdm-settings.github.io/
2024-04-25 11:55:29	teJECSke	anything i can do about it?
2024-04-25 11:55:29	phrik	Title: GDM Settings | Customize your login screen (at gdm-settings.github.io)
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2024-04-25 11:55:46	teraflops	grawity: ouch nope, thanks!!!
2024-04-25 11:58:16	gromit	al__: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_compared_to_other_distributions#Debian
2024-04-25 11:58:17	phrik	Title: Arch compared to other distributions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-25 11:58:33	gromit	al__: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Rosetta
2024-04-25 11:58:34	phrik	Title: pacman/Rosetta - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-25 11:58:50	teraflops	grawity: that's exactly what I needed, thanks again
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2024-04-25 12:00:25	dav1d	Somehow `machinectl login` killed the network lol
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2024-04-25 12:04:22	teraflops	dav1d: e.g sudo machinectl shell teraflops@ /bin/bash
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2024-04-25 12:04:41	grawity	shell will skip most PAM stuff
2024-04-25 12:04:46	teraflops	oh :(
2024-04-25 12:05:34	grawity	hm, no, actually I guess it runs the login PAM stack?
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2024-04-25 12:08:13	Paddy_NI	I am trying to change the background colour for "nsxiv" via ".Xresources" by adding "nsxiv.background: black". I then do "xrdb ~/.Xresources" and no background colour change, it's still white. I have tried capitalising the "Nsxiv" and just using "sxiv" etc.
2024-04-25 12:08:25	Paddy_NI	I wonder what I have left out
2024-04-25 12:09:51	dav1d	shell actually seems to execute my homedirs pam_mount, but it can't pass the password: `(pam_mount.c:476): warning: could not obtain password interactively either`
2024-04-25 12:10:28	dav1d	okay I give up, I'll just mount manually
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2024-04-25 12:21:45	susi-	you won't learn new stuff if you give up now
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2024-04-25 12:23:48	Paddy_NI	Ah ha! I got it, I did not include a wildcard "Nsxiv.*.background: black"
2024-04-25 12:24:15	rcf	X resources are fun like that 
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2024-04-25 13:13:21	Ennea	Tom^, you mean the separator?
2024-04-25 13:13:44	Tom^	yeah
2024-04-25 13:13:44	Ennea	weechat.color.separator - "color for window separators (when split) and separators beside bars (like nicklist)"
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2024-04-25 13:14:48	Tom^	Ennea: ive changed that, that only changed the seperators for the uh servers/nicklist/and stuff
2024-04-25 13:15:15	Ennea	hm. can't recall anything else and am sadly not at home. only got hexchat on my office pc
2024-04-25 13:15:40	Ennea	ohh, i know what you mean now. i had remembered the wrong line
2024-04-25 13:15:46	Tom^	Ennea: https://i.imgur.com/YGdo0Wg.jpeg that white/greenish line
2024-04-25 13:15:47	Ennea	but i disabled that feature so i got no clue either :D
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2024-04-25 13:18:18	susi-	weechat.color.separator
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2024-04-25 13:18:30	susi-	if I read the documentation rite
2024-04-25 13:18:52	Tom^	susi-: its not that thats only for the lines surrounding the server/chan list and nicklist :<
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2024-04-25 13:24:34	Tom^	weechat.color.chat_prefix_suffix
2024-04-25 13:24:36	Ennea	well, best ask in weechat's channel ;D
2024-04-25 13:24:49	Tom^	found it after some bruteforcing lol
2024-04-25 13:25:57	teraflops	can we share our weechat ricing? :D
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2024-04-25 15:39:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-25 14:36:14	gog	tbh i wouldn't, i'd make a new user and copy everything
2024-04-25 14:37:33	feye	So what the conclusion for /.random_number_seed?
2024-04-25 14:37:50	Namarrgon	I don't see that filename in pacman's git repo.
2024-04-25 14:37:54	Namarrgon	*pamac's
2024-04-25 14:38:10	Namarrgon	Get rid of it.
2024-04-25 14:38:19	feye	None
2024-04-25 14:38:33	Dex2x	gog, why ? 
2024-04-25 14:38:37	Namarrgon	It's most likely created at runtime
2024-04-25 14:39:01	feye	I know that file after run sudo pacreport --unowned-files
2024-04-25 14:39:02	Namarrgon	Unless someone generated it at build-time or commit-time...
2024-04-25 14:39:17	Ennea	i have so many questions, by the way, assuming the file's purpose is what it says on the tin
2024-04-25 14:39:42	Namarrgon	Dex2x: Have a look at the usermod options.
2024-04-25 14:39:56	Dex2x	Namarrgon, just found it on the wiki 
2024-04-25 14:42:17	gog	honestly, i don't have an evidence-based argument against it. only a vibes-based reasoning that changing username might break some configs. not that this is an unrecoverable problem, but something i'd rather start clean for
2024-04-25 14:42:43	gog	i'd have to test it out to know for sure
2024-04-25 14:42:59	wunit	imo probably still less painful than having to deal with new uids/gids for a user
2024-04-25 14:44:08	hackfoo	Dex2x: i'd grep in the user's home dir for /home/user, and just remember to sed replace with the new path.
2024-04-25 14:44:17	hackfoo	Or usernames in general, yeah
2024-04-25 14:44:55	⚡ 	alad hardcodes NetSysFire in his home dir
2024-04-25 14:44:57	alad	>:)
2024-04-25 14:45:55	gog	uid and gid seems less painful to deal with. i'd make the old home dir readable to to the new user, cp -dR --preserve=(everything but owner/group)
2024-04-25 14:46:30	gog	and then selectively with application config
2024-04-25 14:46:35	grawity	why not chown it
2024-04-25 14:46:44	gog	that works too ig
2024-04-25 14:46:50	gog	more than one way to give a cat skin
2024-04-25 14:48:42	wunit	you're gonna have to touch all config that refer to your old username anyway, I'm not seeing the point of also changing ownership
2024-04-25 15:22:21	hackfoo	gog: that just seems like an enormous pain in the ass compared to usermod/sed.
2024-04-25 15:37:50	Feru	Is there a way to automatically rebuild an AUR package (using paru) every time a regular package is updated? 
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2024-04-25 15:39:41	Feru	I noticed that nginx-mainline-mod-brotli needs to be rebuilt every time nginx-mainline is updated to ensure they're compatible.
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2024-04-25 15:44:56	Namarrgon	No, nothing official.
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2024-04-25 15:45:38	alad	use rebuild-detector
2024-04-25 15:45:41	Namarrgon	extra/rebuid-detector has a pacman hook, yes
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2024-04-25 16:03:13	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-25 17:29:49	BrandonArnold	Hey all. My system uses UEFI boot, with an ESP and LVM partition, which I'm taking online backups of each of my partition separately. I'm wondering if there is a way I can restore them without having to recreate the EFI system partition by hand and run mkinitcpio, say, backing up the ESP as well
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2024-04-25 17:30:33	BrandonArnold	Assuming I have to manually recreate the partition layout on a blank disk, but the filesystems and their attributes can be restored within each partition from the backups, would it boot?
2024-04-25 17:30:46	BrandonArnold	filesystem attributes would include the UUID and label
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2024-04-25 17:33:15	BrandonArnold	But partitions on the new disk may not end up in their exact same locations / sectors
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2024-04-25 17:37:21	Mathisen	can anyone help me understand why suddenly i cant update "error: failed to synchronize all databases (unable to lock database)" this error has happend like 3 times now. after my computer has been on a longer period of time. 
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2024-04-25 17:37:48	Mathisen	how can check what is using/locking it
2024-04-25 17:38:11	MacGyver	BrandonArnold: I don't understand the question.
2024-04-25 17:38:28	gehidore	Mathisen failed update at some point
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2024-04-25 17:38:36	gehidore	or there's another instance running?
2024-04-25 17:38:42	Mathisen	there is not 
2024-04-25 17:38:58	MacGyver	BrandonArnold: As long as there is a partition marked as ESP (in GUID partition type) and that partition is FAT32-formatted and contains the bootloader in the fallback partition, it will be bootable.
2024-04-25 17:39:05	Mathisen	if something is running it is not me.
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2024-04-25 17:39:29	Mathisen	nope
2024-04-25 17:39:39	Mathisen	clean i3 with minimal things 
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2024-04-25 17:40:33	gehidore	which brings up the question: how was arch installed?
2024-04-25 17:40:46	Mathisen	no i dont have any auto updater. im sure. and i manualy installed it
2024-04-25 17:41:21	Mathisen	i made a arch install script long time ago for personal use. i just been updating from time to time when needed.
2024-04-25 17:42:38	BrandonArnold	MacGyver: Thanks for helping. I'll try to rephrase. On an arch system that uses LVM for the root partition, and a standard ESP (with a systemd-boot bootloader in use for this Arch system), let's say I re-create all these partitions by hand on a blank disk, and restore the filesystems from backups (along with their filesystem attributes) for ESP and each lvm volume. Will it just boot?
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2024-04-25 17:44:05	Mathisen	NetSysFire, yep seems good last entry is even from [2024-04-23T23:13:43+0300]  when i updated latest 2 days ago
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2024-04-25 17:44:30	Mathisen	if i reboot now i can probably update fine.
2024-04-25 17:44:37	Mathisen	but kinda want to solve this
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2024-04-25 17:45:36	BrandonArnold	Or will the bootloader need any actual physical locations of partitions to be the same, instead of just using e.g. the ESP's UUID to know it's EFI. I guess I'm concerned about where the EFI bootloader looks for the LVM parition. How does it know which partition has the LVM. That may be the part I would need to boot into a live USB and chroot into the LVM root and re-run mkinitcpio and bootloader
2024-04-25 17:45:39	BrandonArnold	stuff for
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2024-04-25 17:47:11	MacGyver	BrandonArnold: You may need to manually select the new disk as the boot disk, depending on whether it's on a different internal connection or IDs changed. The bootloader must (also) be installed to the EFI fallback position in that case, because UEFI won't have the right variables set for it.
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2024-04-25 17:47:21	MacGyver	BrandonArnold: The locations on-disk don't matter.
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2024-04-25 17:47:49	MacGyver	BrandonArnold: LVM nowadays simply autodetects.
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2024-04-25 17:48:21	MacGyver	BrandonArnold: I'm pretty sure the initcpio doesn't carry any kind of hardcoded "these UUIDs are LVM partitions".
2024-04-25 17:48:22	BrandonArnold	MacGyver: That sounds promising, thanks. And those things you're talking about are configuration of the system firmware, right? 
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2024-04-25 17:48:49	BrandonArnold	e.g. the "BIOS" menu, UEFI / boot config
2024-04-25 17:48:49	MacGyver	BrandonArnold: Yes.
2024-04-25 17:49:12	MacGyver	BrandonArnold: You can see (and manage) them from within the (UEFI-)booted system using efibootmgr.
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2024-04-25 17:49:40	BrandonArnold	MacGyver: Nice. That is enough confirmation to try it out. If that works, it benefits me to back up the ESP in addition to all the LVM volumes.
2024-04-25 17:49:58	BrandonArnold	Trying to script as close to a disk image backup as possible without having to reboot and do it manually
2024-04-25 17:50:07	MacGyver	BrandonArnold: And the default behaviour of bootctl install *is* to install it to both the bootloader-specific as well as the fallback location, afaik.
2024-04-25 17:50:18	BrandonArnold	LVM snapshots and fsarchiver seems to work great for the volumes themselves but I hadn't handled the boot part yet
2024-04-25 17:51:15	BrandonArnold	MacGyver: I will study the "fallback location" part, I don't know what that is. I just know of /boot and /boot/EFI.
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2024-04-25 17:52:08	MacGyver	BrandonArnold: UEFI specifies that, in the absence of configuration, it should run the EFI executable located at EFI/Boot/BOOTX64.EFI
2024-04-25 17:52:34	BrandonArnold	MacGyver: Got it.
2024-04-25 17:52:42	MacGyver	BrandonArnold: So regardless of whichever *other* EFI executables are present and configured on the disk, *that* one will usually boot if there are no EFI boot variables set.
2024-04-25 17:53:00	BrandonArnold	Makes perfect sense.
2024-04-25 17:53:07	BrandonArnold	Thank you!
2024-04-25 17:53:51	MacGyver	Yw.
2024-04-25 17:54:06	MacGyver	You might want to actually *test* whether the LVM autodetection functions as I described.
2024-04-25 17:54:17	MacGyver	That's the one part I'm not too certain about.
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2024-04-25 17:56:28	BrandonArnold	MacGyver: I'm gonna
2024-04-25 17:56:42	BrandonArnold	If you're here in a week I'll tag you with an update
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2024-04-25 17:59:12	BrandonArnold	If the worst-case scenario is I need to chroot from live media and run mkinicpio and then pacman -Syu linux linux-headers to copy everything back into the EFI, that is not bad.
2024-04-25 18:00:06	BrandonArnold	In that situation I'd already need to recreate the partition table by hand and restore each image from backups in a live media environment anyway
2024-04-25 18:00:14	MacGyver	BrandonArnold: One thing to watch out for is that the fstab is still up to date after restoration.
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2024-04-25 18:00:32	MacGyver	BrandonArnold: Because otherwise the installed kernel and initcpio will go out of sync.
2024-04-25 18:00:33	BrandonArnold	MacGyver: Yep. My hope is the UUIDs it depends on will still be the same.
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2024-04-25 18:00:59	BrandonArnold	But I won't hold anyone to any of this until I test it once
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2024-04-25 18:16:23	low-key	i have waybar as my statusbar at the top edge of my screen. i'm trying to get swaynag to appear on top of it using the --layer flag for swaynag but haven't been able to figure it out yet. overlay and top make it appear above the waybar, pushing waybar down while bottom makes it appear below waybar. background results in an invisible swaynag. is it possible to get swaynag to appear on top of
2024-04-25 18:16:23	low-key	waybar?
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2024-04-25 19:17:38	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-25 19:17:39	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1463 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1462 regular)
2024-04-25 18:50:55	Dazzletune	Is zRAM a modern replacement to a swap file?
2024-04-25 18:51:46	badsektor	yes
2024-04-25 18:56:05	MacGyver	Dazzletune: Not really.
2024-04-25 18:56:45	MacGyver	Dazzletune: zram (and zswap) use the swap system to have RAM-compression, but you can't, for example, use it for suspend-to-disk.
2024-04-25 19:07:54	Dazzletune	Is zRAM a modern replacement to a swap file?
2024-04-25 19:08:47	Tom^	MacGyver: or can you? make a zram device, place a swapfile on it. suspend!
2024-04-25 19:11:12	⚡ 	jp suspends Tom^
2024-04-25 19:15:31	chiselfuse	how can i ask pacman what package a file comes from?
2024-04-25 19:16:23	another	chiselfuse: `pacman -Qo >file>`
2024-04-25 19:17:39	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-25 19:28:16	Cirrus_Minor	6alias pacinfo='echo -n "ᗧ  ᛫ ᛫ ᗣᗣ 🍒 . ᗣ .🍓 . . .ᗣᗣ . . 🍇. . 🍓🍈. .🍒. :\e[1;35m Pacman is showing pkg info:\e[0m  " | pv -qL 20 && sudo pacman -Si | bat'     #show information about a package
2024-04-25 19:28:24	Cirrus_Minor	for fun
2024-04-25 19:28:39	Cirrus_Minor	clumzy paste
2024-04-25 19:30:45	teraflops	xD
2024-04-25 19:31:14	chiselfuse	Psi-Jack: can you tell me what i'd do for not-installed packages? does -F support full path?
2024-04-25 19:32:21	chiselfuse	Psi-Jack: it's deprecated afaik and should instead do `pacman -F`
2024-04-25 19:32:27	chiselfuse	what i've been told here at least
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2024-04-25 19:34:31	rcf	pkgfile hasn't been deprecated. 
2024-04-25 19:34:52	chiselfuse	i guess -F works for full path yea
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2024-04-25 19:36:20	⚡ 	teraflops uses pkgfile
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2024-04-25 19:37:42	chiselfuse	Cirrus_Minor: how can you live with the latency in that
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2024-04-25 19:38:22	chiselfuse	rcf: TerryC: Psi-Jack: but you need pkgfile -u to update lists whereas pacman -F is up to date with lists in pacman itself
2024-04-25 19:38:34	chiselfuse	oops wrong ping
2024-04-25 19:38:35	chiselfuse	teraflops: 
2024-04-25 19:38:42	teraflops	it ships with a timer
2024-04-25 19:38:45	TerryC	no worries :)
2024-04-25 19:38:50	chiselfuse	teraflops: huh?
2024-04-25 19:39:25	teraflops	pkgfile-update.timer
2024-04-25 19:39:27	chiselfuse	TerryC: third temple
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2024-04-25 19:39:31	another	chiselfuse: No. F lists need to be updated
2024-04-25 19:39:34	another	-Fy
2024-04-25 19:40:11	chiselfuse	another: are you sure if i do pacman -Syyu it won't update lists in pacman -F too?
2024-04-25 19:40:33	another	yes, I'm sure
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2024-04-25 19:40:43	chiselfuse	oof
2024-04-25 19:40:51	chiselfuse	didn't know
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2024-04-25 20:03:14	rcf	The database is large, so it's kept separate. 
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2024-04-25 20:20:28	hadronized	what’s the current state of MUA? I know mutt etc. but only from reputation; not sure what is the best pick today
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2024-04-25 20:26:06	demure	if you are leaning towards mutt, use neomutt
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2024-04-25 20:30:55	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-25 20:57:07	brjl	mutt's alright
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2024-04-25 20:57:25	brjl	It's what I used to use before I gave up and just started using Thunderbird
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2024-04-25 20:57:49	gehidore	^
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2024-04-25 20:57:52	gehidore	thunderturd ftw
2024-04-25 20:58:11	edu4rdshl	Gmail ftw
2024-04-25 20:58:13	edu4rdshl	Oh sorry
2024-04-25 20:58:15	edu4rdshl	:p
2024-04-25 20:58:39	brjl	:o
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2024-04-25 20:58:50	⚡ 	teraflops uses evolution
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2024-04-25 21:01:08	mefistofeles	it used to be a lot of thunderbird for me, but then I got tired of having to deal with calendar/invites/automation issues, so now I just stick to the official webUIs :/ which are not great, but get the job done. At least for my work/professional accounts
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2024-04-25 21:01:37	gehidore	same there
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2024-04-25 21:01:58	gehidore	corpos want to pay for o365... I'll use the website crap 
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2024-04-25 21:05:03	edu4rdshl	I just have that too + calendar synced with my Gnome calendar and it works very well
2024-04-25 21:06:07	edu4rdshl	And for emails, well, I just use Gmail since that all the companies where I work use it
2024-04-25 21:06:27	edu4rdshl	I would hate to use outlook, since that its webmail client is really... ugly
2024-04-25 21:07:22	mefistofeles	edu4rdshl: it works until it doesn't :P it's not uncommon that these providers change something eventually that will break things, at least temporarily. That's annoying :/
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2024-04-25 21:39:52	bswartz	gehidore: What's wrong with LibreOffice?
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2024-04-25 21:53:17	akibageek	i wrote an archlinux setup script with automatic LUKS setup, systemd-homed, UKIs, secure boot, and qemu/kvm pre-setup
2024-04-25 21:53:42	akibageek	https://github.com/archlinux/akiba-geek
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2024-04-25 21:54:28	akibageek	i want everyone in this chat to go to my issues tab and point out everything i did wronf
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2024-04-25 21:54:44	akibageek	i.e. plaintext password utilization within the script
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2024-04-25 21:55:52	masoudd	akibageek, I think you meant https://github.com/akiba-geek/archlinux
2024-04-25 21:56:01	akibageek	lol yeah
2024-04-25 21:56:06	akibageek	thanks
2024-04-25 21:56:37	akibageek	it's five in the morning and neither my coffee nor my ritalin has kicked in yet
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2024-04-25 21:57:38	akibageek	my goal is to make it into the wiki
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2024-04-25 21:59:01	brocellous	this just isn't the kind of content that's suitable for the wiki
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2024-04-25 22:09:34	masoudd	akibageek, Good documentation is the key imo. I'm not sure what and how it is doing. What is the usecase? pros and cons, etc
2024-04-25 22:10:14	akibageek	maybe not the wiki, yeah
2024-04-25 22:10:26	brocellous	I mean, the #1 con is it does curl raw.githubusercontent.* > somefile everywhere
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2024-04-25 22:11:11	gehidore	Really smells of offtopic
2024-04-25 22:11:23	brocellous	yeah
2024-04-25 22:11:32	akibageek	gehidore: yeah maybe
2024-04-25 22:12:16	akibageek	moving to offtopic, but after I add proper README.md and comments in script for what each thing does
2024-04-25 22:12:32	akibageek	that is already very good advice, thanks
2024-04-25 22:13:21	akibageek	before I go - should I annotate the pacstrap to explain what each package is for?
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2024-04-25 22:17:01	edu4rdshl	Eh, `curl -sL https://tinyurl.com/akiba-geek-archlinux | bash`
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2024-04-25 22:26:51	gromit	edu4rdshl: pls dont
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2024-04-25 22:29:00	edu4rdshl	gromit, what? I was pointing the bad of it lol
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2024-04-25 22:29:07	edu4rdshl	Maybe you're missing context :p
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2024-04-25 22:36:01	gromit	edu4rdshl: yeah your right :D
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2024-04-25 22:39:34	edu4rdshl	!give gromit taco
2024-04-25 22:39:35	phrik	gromit: Yo quiero TACOS!
2024-04-25 22:39:51	edu4rdshl	>.< that's not what I wanted
2024-04-25 22:40:11	gehidore	!tacobow
2024-04-25 22:40:12	phrik	🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮
2024-04-25 22:40:12	phrik	🌮
2024-04-25 22:40:15	gehidore	was that it?
2024-04-25 22:40:21	edu4rdshl	Yeah! 
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2024-04-25 22:44:59	mefistofeles	there's also !tacobeam
2024-04-25 22:45:00	mefistofeles	:P
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2024-04-25 22:51:49	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-25 22:51:49	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1455 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1454 regular)
2024-04-25 22:46:55	andr01d	!tacobeam
2024-04-25 22:46:55	phrik	🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮
2024-04-25 22:47:02	andr01d	looks the same
2024-04-25 22:47:29	brocellous	yeah but they taste different
2024-04-25 22:50:21	andr01d	8-)
2024-04-25 22:51:49	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-25 23:00:38	hbehe	I'm interested in the release schedule for ffmpeg 7? I have an oom issue with 6.1.1 that works fine on master. If the release is still far away I'll install my own build in the meantime.
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2024-04-25 23:30:08	chiselfuse	is there a way to quickly clone a package repo from arch repos so i can edit the PKGBUILD and rebuild+install?\
2024-04-25 23:30:23	Namarrgon	pkgctl 
2024-04-25 23:30:35	gromit	chiselfuse: pkgctl repo clone <pkg> && pkgctl build --edit <pkg>
2024-04-25 23:31:04	gromit	Since you wont have ssh for our gitlab setup you might wanna sprinkle some --protocol=https into the clone call
2024-04-25 23:31:16	ℹ 	another is now known as another|
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2024-04-25 23:31:24	chiselfuse	gromit: how about aur, same command?
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2024-04-25 23:31:40	gromit	chiselfuse: no, for the aur its a little diffrent
2024-04-25 23:32:37	gromit	chiselfuse: there you do a git clone https://aur.archlinux.org/<pkg>.git && cd <pkg> && makepkg -si 
2024-04-25 23:32:44	gromit	or you also build with devtools
2024-04-25 23:33:21	gromit	devtools also has the "--install-to-host all|auto" flag to install the built packages (either the ones you already have installed or all of them)
2024-04-25 23:33:27	chiselfuse	gromit: that's what i already do, i thought maybe there was a more elegant way or w/e
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2024-04-25 23:37:17	chiselfuse	gromit: what's the difference between just editing PKGFILE; makepkg -si;   and   pkgctl build --edit <pkg>
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2024-04-25 23:38:27	Namarrgon	pkgctl builds in a clean environment
2024-04-25 23:38:50	chiselfuse	if you mean chroot then makepkg also does it
2024-04-25 23:39:05	Namarrgon	Yes chroot but makepkg does not do that out of the box.
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2024-04-26 11:26:53	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-26 11:26:53	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1447 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1446 regular)
2024-04-26 00:50:03	al__	what is arc end goal teleologically?
2024-04-26 00:50:50	al__	the ideal purpose
2024-04-26 00:51:02	al__	like if it all be all it can be
2024-04-26 00:51:09	al__	arch
2024-04-26 00:51:18	al__	keep your labels
2024-04-26 00:51:36	al__	each os has a goal ....
2024-04-26 00:51:44	edu4rdshl	Arch is the best
2024-04-26 00:52:13	edu4rdshl	And, what you are asking is on the wiki anyways
2024-04-26 00:53:27	gog	al__: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux#Principles
2024-04-26 00:53:29	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-26 00:54:09	al__	well it seems nice
2024-04-26 00:54:40	gog	it's linux
2024-04-26 00:57:10	edu4rdshl	:o
2024-04-26 00:58:53	gehidore	!ass
2024-04-26 00:58:54	phrik	Arch *Strategically* Sucks™
2024-04-26 00:59:23	phrik	Arch really sucks exceptionally
2024-04-26 01:01:42	alad	bro arch is lame
2024-04-26 01:03:01	alad	bruh!!!
2024-04-26 01:06:20	gog	arch btw
2024-04-26 01:51:17	bswartz	Who is teaching the bots to say bad things?
2024-04-26 01:51:20	rcf	:!!!!!!
2024-04-26 01:51:59	phrik	NetSysFire: arse: Created by rcf on 2022-12-13T14:41:04+0000. Last requested by NetSysFire!~NetSysFir@silly/elektra on 2024-04-25T22:59:22+0000, requested 34 times.
2024-04-26 01:52:55	bswartz	Arch is the best distro!
2024-04-26 01:53:41	bswartz	If Arch dies what would I use? Gentoo? Slackware?
2024-04-26 01:53:49	zippy	BSD
2024-04-26 01:54:11	bswartz	I tried BSD and it was not my cup of tea
2024-04-26 01:54:31	zippy	per aspera ad astra
2024-04-26 01:54:59	bswartz	I guess there is always GNU/Hurd
2024-04-26 01:55:07	RealFloridaMan	fork the whole OS and then update by myself
2024-04-26 01:55:32	zippy	cant get it work crow-translate
2024-04-26 01:55:35	bswartz	RealFloridaMan: we all that LFS
2024-04-26 01:55:47	bswartz	we call* that LFS
2024-04-26 01:56:06	zippy	damn that segmentation fault thing
2024-04-26 01:57:01	bswartz	killall -SIGSEGV irssi
2024-04-26 01:59:39	john1212	hey, so it might be silly but i have 4G ram chip but it shows only as 3G when i use `free` command, it used to be 3.4G but now it is only 3G, is this normal?
2024-04-26 02:03:25	john1212	hey any one?
2024-04-26 02:05:59	john1212	NetSysFire just checking if someone has got my question
2024-04-26 02:06:58	john1212	NetSysFire can i ask you a question?
2024-04-26 02:08:05	john1212	why you appear like you are offline
2024-04-26 02:11:14	john1212	but i am serious i want to know, it is jus two days for me as a user to irc
2024-04-26 02:13:30	john1212	ok that's interesting
2024-04-26 02:13:53	john1212	soo do you have an answer to my question?
2024-04-26 02:14:53	zippy	free -m?
2024-04-26 02:15:38	john1212	i asked this question before and someone suggested to do a memory test an i have done that several times and no errors appears
2024-04-26 02:15:52	cloudowind	:) it just prints in terms of mb with -m
2024-04-26 02:16:51	john1212	here is the output of `free -m` <https://bpa.st/EDXA>
2024-04-26 02:16:52	phrik	Title: View paste EDXA (at bpa.st)
2024-04-26 02:18:11	john1212	NetSysFire how to check for that i opened the bios settings and looked for any thing to do with memory but i found nothing
2024-04-26 02:20:30	john1212	NetSysFire: that is true as long as we understand what we are talking about
2024-04-26 02:35:49	john1212	NetSysFire just found that memory test and i have done that showing no errors,i dont need these 500M my laptop works fine but just curious where these have gone?
2024-04-26 02:41:43	john1212	like what?
2024-04-26 02:44:06	demonicmaniac1	since laptop - igp memory will be hidden from the os
2024-04-26 02:45:25	chovy	what is this new codiff command on my system? can i remove it?
2024-04-26 02:45:28	chovy	how do i removef it
2024-04-26 02:52:19	john1212	NetSysFire: does the problem might be from the chip it self, i check the chip and i found some dark brown spots i tried to remove them gently does not work but i suppose if it is the chip shouldn't it completely die?
2024-04-26 02:53:42	john1212	ok give me a minute
2024-04-26 02:54:18	bluetail	Could be corrosion
2024-04-26 02:54:51	bluetail	Do you know somebody who eats acidic stuff close to the machine?
2024-04-26 03:00:39	madprops	aur has to look different to packages page
2024-04-26 03:00:44	madprops	i get confused of where i am most of the time
2024-04-26 03:00:49	madprops	when i look for packages
2024-04-26 03:00:58	madprops	since it's the exact same theme
2024-04-26 03:01:36	Scimmia	They look plenty different imo
2024-04-26 03:04:09	madprops	im talking about the website
2024-04-26 03:04:09	madprops	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages?O=0&K=wine
2024-04-26 03:04:11	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - Packages (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-04-26 03:05:08	john1212	NetSysFire sorry i was using my laptop, i got the picture how to upload it here
2024-04-26 03:08:09	john1212	NetSysFire: here you are <https://x0.at/403P.jpg>
2024-04-26 03:09:23	john1212	what is that?
2024-04-26 03:10:29	mpan	john1212: I only quickly skimmed over the discussion, but are you sure it wasn’t reserved by some hardware, e.g. your video?
2024-04-26 03:10:39	mpan	It will not be visible as available to the system then.
2024-04-26 03:15:36	john1212	NetSysFire: so does these spots look normal or what you think?
2024-04-26 03:16:09	bluetail	john1212 purchase a electronic hardware lens thingy and look pretty close
2024-04-26 03:17:31	john1212	NetSysFire: ok and thank you for your help
2024-04-26 03:17:54	bluetail	np john1212
2024-04-26 03:21:45	john1212	bluetail: what do you mean by "np"
2024-04-26 03:21:53	mpan	john1212: best to ignore the person. :)
2024-04-26 03:22:06	bluetail	what mpan said ^
2024-04-26 03:22:56	mpan	john1212: but, again, I would suggest checking if the memory wasn’t reserved.
2024-04-26 03:24:00	john1212	mpan can you suggest how to check for that, i am just a noop
2024-04-26 03:24:26	mpan	`journalctl -b 0`, search for word “reserved” mostly in the begining of the boot process. There will be memory ranges given, indicating how much was reserved.
2024-04-26 03:27:38	john1212	i've used "sudo dmesg | grep -i reserved" and here is the output "http://paste.wooledge.org/31404", would you mind to look at it
2024-04-26 03:28:24	john1212	i used because iam not using systemd
2024-04-26 03:28:36	bluetail	sorry for the mistake. Heres another link using dmesg without sudo
2024-04-26 03:29:26	john1212	NetSysFire: actually i am using voidlinux
2024-04-26 03:29:29	bluetail	ok
2024-04-26 03:30:20	ectowork	Isn't there #voidlinux or #void?
2024-04-26 03:30:36	john1212	does the distro i use matter in this case?
2024-04-26 03:30:43	phrik	https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2024-04-26 03:31:03	mpan	john1212: the output suggests it’s indeed physically seen as less than 4G. But that’s all I can tell, in particular given that this is not about Arch. Please ask in #voidlinux or #hardware.
2024-04-26 03:32:00	john1212	ok i am sorry, thanks everyone
2024-04-26 03:32:27	mpan	To me looks like a 4× 1G setup with one stick being completely gone. Because a single 4G stick is unlikely to report 1G less because of a damaged connection.
2024-04-26 04:56:23	le3kat	Does anyone know how I can install libjq  on archlinux? I can't find it on the pacman repo nor the AUR.
2024-04-26 04:56:59	sheep	is it part of the jq package
2024-04-26 04:58:12	le3kat	then I've no clue why my build is failing with "unable to find libjq"
2024-04-26 04:58:22	le3kat	thanks for the help!
2024-04-26 04:58:49	sheep	it might not be using pkg-config/pkgconf correctly or something
2024-04-26 05:47:11	bluetail	so when I use bcachefs
2024-04-26 05:47:21	bluetail	can I use my 4tb ssd as cache and the 20TB HDD as main disk?
2024-04-26 05:51:35	gehidore	Do some research?
2024-04-26 05:53:50	bluetail	good idea
2024-04-26 08:57:23	jelle	bluetail: I think you mean bcache not bcachefs (the filesystem like btrfs)
2024-04-26 09:04:31	tommy``	hi
2024-04-26 09:11:28	tommy``	I tried to install Arch Linux on this computer, but when I rebooted to the bios loading screen the machine stopped when it was supposed to detect the disk installed on the SATA port. I would like to point out that the motherboard is an ASUS P5K-E wifiAP and in the bios the SATA ports are configured as AHCI and not EIDE.
2024-04-26 09:11:33	tommy``	I did the installation from a USB stick and used the recommended settings for the disk configuration. After seeing that it crashed, I unplugged the hdd with Arch, entered the bios, set the SATA as EIDE, reconnected the hdd and when I tried to boot it gave me the error of UUID not found I think. .. Is it possible that I can't use the HDD in AHCI mode? what should I check? A thousand thanks
2024-04-26 09:31:06	ArchMania	How can I donate to the project using crypto?
2024-04-26 09:34:04	jelle	ArchMania: I don't think you can
2024-04-26 09:35:35	jelle	SPI does not offer such an option
2024-04-26 09:38:52	ArchMania	Shame... Oh well thanks anyway
2024-04-26 09:42:53	karthy	i tried installing arch on a mac but it boots into grub command line not grub rescue just cmd line
2024-04-26 09:43:46	matei	hello
2024-04-26 09:58:46	cloudowind	karthy: have you done # grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg after grub-install?
2024-04-26 10:00:28	cloudowind	karthy: boot bacxk with arch installation usb , mount back all partitions and archchroot to your installed root and install grub again properly? 
2024-04-26 10:01:26	karthy	cloudowind, i did both
2024-04-26 10:01:29	karthy	no work
2024-04-26 10:01:51	chiselfuse	is there a way to handle skipping build tests from PKGBUILG itself
2024-04-26 10:02:22	chiselfuse	(ie something that will handle passing it to make(1) without me having to figure it out)
2024-04-26 10:06:26	cloudowind	karthy: how do you boot , are you pressing option key when machine turns on ?
2024-04-26 10:07:08	cloudowind	karthy: ive successfully install arch on 2016 macbook couple of weeks ago 
2024-04-26 10:08:21	karthy	yes 
2024-04-26 10:08:29	karthy	i hit the options key
2024-04-26 10:09:07	cloudowind	which year macbook is that?
2024-04-26 10:09:28	karthy	its a core 2 due its my friends
2024-04-26 10:09:34	karthy	i dont know which year
2024-04-26 10:09:38	karthy	need to ask him
2024-04-26 10:09:59	cloudowind	its old , it should be straight forward maybe that one uses legacy 
2024-04-26 10:10:10	karthy	no UEFI i checked
2024-04-26 10:10:24	cloudowind	hmm
2024-04-26 10:10:51	karthy	do i need to type /dev/sdX or chroot and type /boot
2024-04-26 10:11:00	bookworm	chiselfuse: there's no such thing as standard make... all depends on the project you try to build and you don't mention which
2024-04-26 10:11:27	cloudowind	karthy: on gruc rescue?
2024-04-26 10:12:06	karthy	no it doesnt say grub rescue it just says grub
2024-04-26 10:12:33	karthy	not in grub but when i install the bootloader 
2024-04-26 10:12:45	karthy	should i tyype the device name or /boot
2024-04-26 10:13:04	chiselfuse	bookworm: gnutls
2024-04-26 10:14:03	chiselfuse	bookworm: https://0x0.st/XH1v.txt
2024-04-26 10:14:37	chiselfuse	bookworm: i could just comment these out but i can't find any such filenames on my filesystem and i wonder what they are at all then
2024-04-26 10:14:56	cloudowind	karthy: before you change archchroot , mount your installed root to /mnt and your boot partition to /mnt/boot 
2024-04-26 10:15:13	karthy	i did that
2024-04-26 10:15:22	karthy	i tried both ways
2024-04-26 10:15:26	bluetail	jelle no, I mean bcachefs
2024-04-26 10:15:32	cloudowind	after archchroot , that will be /boot i think when i dont remeber correctly
2024-04-26 10:15:43	karthy	cloudowind, yes and i installed to /boot
2024-04-26 10:15:59	chiselfuse	bookworm: i tried to build the package without touching the PKGBUILD at all. and yet it failed on my system. do you know how i can reproduce the environment that the package maintainers use exactly?
2024-04-26 10:16:02	bluetail	in any case, is there a more stable alternative?
2024-04-26 10:16:09	bluetail	or would that just be 'bcache' ?
2024-04-26 10:16:23	bluetail	bcachefs also supports ssd cache, but its not really stable
2024-04-26 10:16:40	bluetail	the idea is to use a 20TB HDD and then use a 4TB cache most of the time
2024-04-26 10:16:52	bluetail	so that seek time is not noticeable
2024-04-26 10:18:08	bookworm	chiselfuse: download pkbguild from asp or whatever the name is and build in a clean chroot (aurutils, devtools, take your pick)
2024-04-26 10:19:52	chiselfuse	bookworm: devtools is not an executable name, did you mean `pkgctl build <pkg>` maybe?
2024-04-26 10:20:14	bookworm	I don't use pkgctl, maybe
2024-04-26 10:20:15	chiselfuse	why did that come off like an ai bot
2024-04-26 10:20:20	bookworm	!aw devtools
2024-04-26 10:20:21	phrik	bookworm: No results found.
2024-04-26 10:20:27	bookworm	ah come on
2024-04-26 10:20:47	chiselfuse	!aw pkgctl
2024-04-26 10:20:47	phrik	chiselfuse: No results found.
2024-04-26 10:20:57	bookworm	https://man.archlinux.org/man/devtools.7.en
2024-04-26 10:20:59	phrik	Title: devtools(7) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2024-04-26 10:21:01	bookworm	^ that stuff
2024-04-26 10:26:05	cloudowind	karthy: try giving --removable to your grub-install , like grub-install  --removable --tarfet=86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot --bootloader-id=GRUB 
2024-04-26 10:26:11	cloudowind	is that 64 bit machine?
2024-04-26 10:26:37	karthy	yes it is a 64bit machine i have tried giving --removable flag
2024-04-26 10:26:42	karthy	no work
2024-04-26 10:28:36	cloudowind	what grub says ? you sure you did grub-mkconfig ? boot to your newly installed system , mount all parititons again , arhchroot and ahve a look to your grub conf file , you can always try refind as well 
2024-04-26 10:28:43	cloudowind	i am sorry i cant help much 
2024-04-26 10:29:04	karthy	its ok cloudowind 
2024-04-26 10:29:15	karthy	i polly did something stupid
2024-04-26 10:29:24	cloudowind	if you give more information there experienced people might help , 
2024-04-26 10:29:31	tommy``	I tried to install Arch Linux on this computer, but when I rebooted to the bios loading screen the machine stopped when it was supposed to detect the disk installed on the SATA port. I would like to point out that the motherboard is an ASUS P5K-E wifiAP and in the bios the SATA ports are configured as AHCI and not EIDE. I did the installation from a USB stick and used the recommended settings 
2024-04-26 10:29:31	tommy``	for the disk configuration. After seeing that it crashed, I unplugged the hdd with Arch, entered the bios, set the SATA as EIDE, reconnected the hdd and when I tried to boot it gave me the error of UUID not found I think. .. Is it possible that I can't use the HDD in AHCI mode? what should I check? A thousand thanks
2024-04-26 11:06:16	alwyn	Is there a list of packages that are in the Arch ISO?
2024-04-26 11:07:04	demonicmaniac1	tommy``: that's a motherboard thing whether they call ahci a kind of software raid or w/e would have to look in the manual. technically sata ahci works. just to be clear the disk shows up in bios in either mode, just arch didn't detect it upon trying to boot the install? have you tried booting with the fallback.img instead of the standard img when it is set to ahci?
2024-04-26 11:09:52	tommy``	No, from bios, when I boot up machine it hang up trying to detect th ssd with the archlinux installed
2024-04-26 11:10:16	tommy``	Now I have reformartted the ssd so I shoud reinstall from 0, I didn't know about fallback.img
2024-04-26 11:11:07	tommy``	but basically the hang up issue, disappear if I setup SATA as EIDE from bios, with SATA as AHCI it hang up trying to detect it, i didn't have this issue before with ubuntu, but i want arch now
2024-04-26 11:11:26	demonicmaniac1	tommy``: the question is does it hang when the bios is over and tries to hand over to the os or whether in bios itself when set to ahci it does show the disk on the port
2024-04-26 11:12:03	tommy``	no bios is not over when hangs up
2024-04-26 11:12:08	demonicmaniac1	if it shows up in the bios itself in ahci mode then the issue is squarely on detecting it from the os/bootloader side and might be fixed with the fallback img
2024-04-26 11:13:17	demonicmaniac1	and if archlinux install image detects the disk so you can install onto it in ahci mode then it's clearly an issue of missing hw driver
2024-04-26 11:13:34	demonicmaniac1	arch installer does boot with fallback by default to support every kind of hw
2024-04-26 11:16:11	tommy``	I found a random screenshot of my bios: https://i.stack.imgur.com/EEmvi.jpg mine computer hangs up when appears Auto-Detecting AHCI Port 2... and I can't do nothing, neither enter into the bios, I have to power off, remove ssd with arch linux, enter in bios, change SATA as EIDE. When I receonnect the ssd it boot up but gave me UUID error
2024-04-26 11:18:25	Antiz	alwyn: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/archiso/-/blob/master/configs/releng/packages.x86_64?ref_type=heads & https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/archiso/-/blob/master/configs/baseline/packages.x86_64?ref_type=heads
2024-04-26 11:18:26	phrik	Title: configs/releng/packages.x86_64 · master · Arch Linux / archiso · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-26 11:19:49	alwyn	Antiz: thank you! :)
2024-04-26 11:19:54	Antiz	np :)
2024-04-26 11:21:05	demonicmaniac1	tommy``: according to your original report earlier you did install archlinux on it when it was in ahci mode though - so it detected the drive and installed onto it. now one thing i can potentially imagine is that by using default settings for installation you either only installed efi bootloader and gpt and no mbr and your machine doesn't like gpt at all. do you know if you choose mbr install or
2024-04-26 11:21:11	demonicmaniac1	formatted mbr?
2024-04-26 11:21:48	tommy``	let me check wait
2024-04-26 11:22:03	tommy``	I try to remember by video install
2024-04-26 11:25:34	tommy``	I choosed for sure "use a best-effort default partition layout" I remember there were 3 partition, the first one was fat32, also choosed filesystem ext4, i choosed separate /home, bootleader I choosed grub
2024-04-26 11:26:00	tommy``	at the end I chrooted it
2024-04-26 11:26:53	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-26 11:29:47	demonicmaniac1	if you formatted anyways you should on reinstall make sure to use mbr and install grub to mbr for bootloader purposes
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2024-04-26 11:30:18	tommy``	ok I will join here with my notebook, so I can tell about the new install
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2024-04-26 11:34:22	MisterEsse	Hi. My Arch has been affected my malware, and I cannot use my keyboard inside X11 (neither my mouse). I can use my keyboard inside a virtual console, that is where I am typing now. Can someone help me debug this, for me to know how to fix this in the future. I have been affected from this malware/attack in the past.
2024-04-26 11:34:37	grawity	that on its own does not sound like malware
2024-04-26 11:35:12	MisterEsse	If I could know which package relates to this issue, maybe I can try to fix this.
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2024-04-26 11:35:53	MisterEsse	grawity: I suspect it was some nasty website that sneeked through my web browser into my system...
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2024-04-26 11:36:21	MisterEsse	because I always get this, after seeing a certain website...
2024-04-26 11:36:32	Ingar	create a new user account and launch X11m see what happens
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2024-04-26 11:37:00	MisterEsse	Ingar: okay.
2024-04-26 11:37:04	tommy``	ok demonicm1niac I'm from mac, start install now on my desktop
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2024-04-26 11:39:59	MisterEsse	If you see me go down, it is because my PC frooze when entering the X11 and I cannot switch from my froozen X11 and I have forced the power off. Any tips on how to avoid this forced power off?
2024-04-26 11:40:28	MisterEsse	I use startx to start my X11.
2024-04-26 11:40:52	Ingar	MisterEsse: does it actually freeze, can you login over ssh when it happens?
2024-04-26 11:41:42	MisterEsse	I only have this computer, so I cannot test SSH. But I can login using the virtual console, like I am now (without any graphical interface).
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2024-04-26 11:42:14	Ingar	MisterEsse: the question is, if it is "just X11" freezing, or the entire machine locking up
2024-04-26 11:42:35	Ingar	if your machine locks up, you're not really having a keyboard issue
2024-04-26 11:42:44	MisterEsse	When it freezes, I cannot change to a virtual console, because Ctrl + Alt + F2-6 does not do a thing.
2024-04-26 11:43:01	Ingar	when it freezes
2024-04-26 11:43:10	Ingar	test if the numlock light still goes on/off
2024-04-26 11:43:15	MisterEsse	it freezes when I use startx.
2024-04-26 11:43:17	MisterEsse	ok.
2024-04-26 11:43:20	MisterEsse	Nice tip.
2024-04-26 11:43:27	MisterEsse	I will test caps lock.
2024-04-26 11:43:29	grawity	do you have a smartphone? ssh from the phone to your PC over wifi
2024-04-26 11:43:41	grawity	capslock LED is handled by Xorg though, as is ctrl-alt-f2
2024-04-26 11:43:52	Ingar	aah to old scool of a tip
2024-04-26 11:43:58	MisterEsse	yes, I do have a phone.
2024-04-26 11:44:11	grawity	it'll work to distinguish GPU freezes from Xorg freezes, I guess
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2024-04-26 11:44:47	Ingar	MisterEsse: e.g., JuiceSSH is a useable ssh client for android
2024-04-26 11:45:05	MisterEsse	It I set up a http server, and test to see if it is working after it freezes (after my startx), will it still count as my computer working (if I can download a file from the http server)?
2024-04-26 11:45:36	Ingar	MisterEsse: that's a godo test, but it seems a bit overkill compared to just using ssh :D
2024-04-26 11:45:41	Ingar	*a good test
2024-04-26 11:45:51	MisterEsse	Ingar: is JuiceSSH on Fdroid?
2024-04-26 11:46:03	MisterEsse	Okay, I will set up my phone with SSH.
2024-04-26 11:46:06	Ingar	MisterEsse: no idea, I get tracked by the google store
2024-04-26 11:46:21	Ingar	I guess there must be an ssh client in fdroid
2024-04-26 11:46:31	MisterEsse	Probably.
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2024-04-26 11:46:39	Ingar	I mean, SSH is rather ubiquitous
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2024-04-26 11:47:20	grawity	the advantage of SSH over an HTTP server is that you can more easily check logs and stuff while it's "frozen", or possibly even kill Xorg and try to inspect from there
2024-04-26 11:47:22	tommy``	demonicm1niac: I have now 3 partition, with default partition as before, what you suggests to do?
2024-04-26 11:48:22	MisterEsse	Thanks you. So, I will 1) test if my computer locks up entirely or only locks the X11 by using SSH on my phone, and 2) check if I get this same lock up behaviour using a new system account (using my startx to start X11).
2024-04-26 11:49:34	grawity	I'd also 1) check Xorg logs to see if it detects the input devices at all (usually via libinput), 2) run evemu-record or libinput debug-events to see if the /dev/input devices work
2024-04-26 11:49:54	grawity	the GPU driver probably more likely to be the issue though
2024-04-26 11:50:08	grawity	especially if it's somehow correlated with visits to a particular website
2024-04-26 11:50:38	manuels	can somebody rationally argue about snap vs flat?
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2024-04-26 11:51:21	manuels	to me it seems like an irrational flamewar, which flat is winning. 
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2024-04-26 11:51:46	grawity	snap uses apparmor, with various paths hardcoded in the app profiles, and that alone makes it a pain in the ass
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2024-04-26 11:52:05	grawity	from my attempts to get firefox on ubuntu working with kerberos
2024-04-26 11:52:12	manuels	i tried to package an app. but if it is not simly some sort of client without host dependencies it is a plain pain to package.
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2024-04-26 11:53:33	manuels	no matrix sombody reported succes on running a sandboxed app on the host. a lot of LD_ nightmare stuff. 
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2024-04-26 11:54:31	grawity	what do you mean by "host dependencies"
2024-04-26 11:54:35	manuels	i wonder why this usecase is not built in. I mean loads of apps could benefit the unified distribution framework but dont need or rather cant use the sandboxing. 
2024-04-26 11:55:14	manuels	grawity e.g. app launchers need all the host env vars like XDG_*_* or PATH
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2024-04-26 11:55:48	manuels	these are rewritten in the sandbox to match the internal filesystem hierarchy
2024-04-26 11:56:29	manuels	but if you want to find and run installed apps or any kind of binaries it quickly gets messy
2024-04-26 11:57:50	manuels	even non launchers have some sort of dependecies on PATH. a lot of apps (incl ide's) reach out to the host to run terminals.
2024-04-26 11:58:27	manuels	and almost all apps use the XDG base dirs which flatpak just remaps to their own subspace in .var/app/bla…
2024-04-26 11:59:04	manuels	now i wonder if snaps do these kind of things better
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2024-04-26 12:03:48	manuels	the latter one being just annoying for users
2024-04-26 12:03:56	tommy``	demonicm1niac: https://imgur.com/a/8XNMOTd same as before
2024-04-26 12:03:56	phrik	Title: Arch linux stuck - Album on Imgur (at imgur.com)
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2024-04-26 12:04:17	demonicmaniac1	tommy``: did you format the disk as mbr?
2024-04-26 12:04:47	tommy``	where I can choose that?
2024-04-26 12:05:45	another|	in your partition tool
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2024-04-26 12:07:03	demonicmaniac1	for fdisk it's the dos type i believe
2024-04-26 12:07:30	another|	*by default
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2024-04-26 12:08:01	demonicmaniac1	by default fdisk and gdisk all do gpt nowadays
2024-04-26 12:08:35	another|	err.. doubt
2024-04-26 12:09:30	tommy``	this is what I got now trying to boot https://imgur.com/a/U30k0pg
2024-04-26 12:09:30	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2024-04-26 12:09:32	another|	fdisk still does DOS MBR by default. just tested
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2024-04-26 12:13:46	tommy``	yes I checked, the hdd is formatted MBR
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2024-04-26 12:15:59	demonicmaniac1	tommy``: that is in ahci mode now or eide?
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2024-04-26 12:16:35	tommy``	the last picture i posted is with EIDE setting from bios
2024-04-26 12:16:46	tommy``	with AHCI is the previous picture, hang up
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2024-04-26 12:18:45	demonicmaniac1	i mean the last one is past initrd and kernel loading when kernel tries to mount real root but kernel is loaded
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2024-04-26 12:19:28	tommy``	with AHCI in bios I can't do nothing because I can't reach the archlinux boot
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2024-04-26 12:21:41	demonicmaniac1	just googled a bit and that seems to be common on asus p5* boards
2024-04-26 12:22:12	tommy``	:(((((
2024-04-26 12:23:16	demonicmaniac1	the BIOS will freeze or hang on auto-detecting AHCI during POST. This may be because of a bug in disk geometry detection or a safety feature designed to protect data when the SATA mode is changed.
2024-04-26 12:23:43	demonicmaniac1	seems some people had some success after wiping the disk entirely not just reformatting
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2024-04-26 12:23:58	demonicmaniac1	then installing in eide mode and then switching to ahci again but no guarantee
2024-04-26 12:23:58	MisterEsse	Ingar, grawity: regarding my X11 freeze, I am trying using `timeout 20 startx` (for startx to only last 20 seconds) and I got two distinct results: first, my system did not lock up, only X11 was locked; second) my keyboard did lock up on graphical and non-graphical environment (even in the virtual console) so I had to force reboot. Can this help?
2024-04-26 12:24:25	demonicmaniac1	fdisk -w will completely wipe a disk of anything
2024-04-26 12:24:39	MisterEsse	When all of my keyboard lockup, I could not press enter on GRUB.
2024-04-26 12:24:51	MisterEsse	After force reboot.
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2024-04-26 12:25:12	demonicmaniac1	not sure if you can use secure erase for the ssd when in eide mode
2024-04-26 12:25:20	demonicmaniac1	that would be the best option for ssds
2024-04-26 12:25:44	MisterEsse	now I am not getting a system lock up, so I can run as many `timeout 20 startx` as I want.
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2024-04-26 12:26:07	tommy``	I have to also change EIDE on windows, because I noticed If I change AHCI to EIDE , windows gave blue screen 
2024-04-26 12:26:13	Tom^	MisterEsse: nvidia laptop?
2024-04-26 12:26:29	tommy``	so I thick I have to abandon the idea of arch linux :/
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2024-04-26 12:26:41	tommy``	think
2024-04-26 12:26:50	MisterEsse	No, desktop, amd, with integrate graphics card.
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2024-04-26 12:27:03	MisterEsse	Tom^: ^ .
2024-04-26 12:27:21	Tom^	okay, nvm then. nvidia is utter broken as of latest driver on laptops heh
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2024-04-26 12:28:41	MisterEsse	using another new user on my system, I still get the lockup.
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2024-04-26 12:32:05	Ingar	MisterEsse: most likely, graphics driver or at the very least something fishy going on in X11
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2024-04-26 12:32:39	MisterEsse	Ingar: does this explain, why after a force reboot, the key ENTER did not work in GRUB?
2024-04-26 12:32:51	MisterEsse	GRUB2.
2024-04-26 12:33:09	Ingar	MisterEsse: I don't even trust reboot after system lockups and go full power down
2024-04-26 12:33:10	MisterEsse	The arrow keys did work though.
2024-04-26 12:33:27	Ingar	ofc your keyboard might be broken
2024-04-26 12:33:43	Ingar	I've seen systems go crazy for example when a key is stuck
2024-04-26 12:33:53	MisterEsse	Ingar: my keyboard is working now. It was a one time thing.
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2024-04-26 12:34:49	Ingar	coincidently I actually have a keyboard with a broken key
2024-04-26 12:34:54	Eccentric81	hey all, i've had a real headache on my hands with 'other' distros and am hoping to try arch
2024-04-26 12:34:57	Ingar	I was very confused when it happened
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2024-04-26 12:35:04	MisterEsse	what package might be related to this system lockup? For me to downgrade it, or manually compile it?
2024-04-26 12:35:23	Tom^	MisterEsse: how long is a rope?
2024-04-26 12:35:56	Eccentric81	i noticed how vastly faster and better than everything when properly custom makeconfig/profile portage is with gentoo but the feels like a day of manpages to stage3 tarball
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2024-04-26 12:36:06	Tom^	without logs, errors or anything to go by its a crap shoot
2024-04-26 12:36:23	Eccentric81	you then gotta remember obscure compiler stuff and make file source building apt-get everything then e-merge
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2024-04-26 12:36:42	MisterEsse	which log file should I see? Please give me paths.
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2024-04-26 12:36:49	Eccentric81	but the repository links arent easy like flatpak how it should be..
2024-04-26 12:37:06	Ingar	MisterEsse: all of them: frist if all kernel journal, X11 logs
2024-04-26 12:37:11	Eccentric81	and some repository stuff seems to be exclusive or platform specific paywalled or something
2024-04-26 12:37:16	gromit	Eccentric81: do you have a question? 
2024-04-26 12:37:36	MisterEsse	Which are the pathnames of X11 logs on Arch?
2024-04-26 12:37:38	Eccentric81	yeah, see if i wanted to make a live usb with installed linux distros with like multiple
2024-04-26 12:37:50	Eccentric81	why is it so dang hard?
2024-04-26 12:37:50	MisterEsse	I cannot find it in /var/log/X* .
2024-04-26 12:38:06	Ingar	you should have /var/log/Xorg.?.log*
2024-04-26 12:38:16	Eccentric81	things say 'famously we support this and allow that' and it doesnt work right away
2024-04-26 12:38:58	MisterEsse	I got the logs.
2024-04-26 12:39:04	Eccentric81	i gotta like reinstall dxvk d3d stuff and vulkan everything and hip rocm and hipify and put in nvidias CUDA stuff to real maths convert its DOS trash
2024-04-26 12:39:10	MisterEsse	Sorry if it sound silly.
2024-04-26 12:39:19	Eccentric81	to my sciencey advanced AMD platform to run their sloppy jelopy faster and better
2024-04-26 12:39:47	Eccentric81	every reboot its like stuffs off again.. and its an installed distro not a live usb
2024-04-26 12:40:00	Ingar	Eccentric81: please take your rant to an approriate #offtopic channel
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2024-04-26 12:40:22	Eccentric81	the serious issue is i desperately wanted to use arch linux live usb installer for holo iso
2024-04-26 12:40:41	Eccentric81	but .. things like android x86 lineage OS for PC.. black screen no boot
2024-04-26 12:40:45	Eccentric81	same deal for arch
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2024-04-26 12:41:11	Eccentric81	holoiso and countless other things wont boot.. i think its UEFI or grub issue but filesystem worrys
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2024-04-26 12:41:47	Eccentric81	things like VENTOY are an exfat or something and cant resize or some supergrub2 issues multiple partitions
2024-04-26 12:42:06	gromit	Eccentric81: if you want support here please use the official images and offical ways of installation
2024-04-26 12:42:12	gromit	the holoiso is not from archlinux
2024-04-26 12:42:35	Eccentric81	when linux android and windows can all run ntfs or exfat maybe refs but cant seem to work
2024-04-26 12:43:06	Eccentric81	im aware android or other things you can windows ARM 64 by UEFI emulator patching any android device and run crysis
2024-04-26 12:43:43	Eccentric81	but i think theres like second partitions and boots on a number of linux live usb already? many distro is small and 32GB RAM could ram disk it all
2024-04-26 12:44:32	Eccentric81	if i use the official arch linux is there a easy way to get steam OS for their games library list which is 99% just playstation titles etc..
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2024-04-26 12:45:08	Eccentric81	also the flatpak maybe has gamemode, it seems just lower latency, why isnt that by default?
2024-04-26 12:45:13	Eccentric81	surely webservers need that too?
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2024-04-26 12:46:24	Eccentric81	how would you say arch linux official new install defaults holds up to proton DB list of playables.. when enable steam beta mode
2024-04-26 12:46:33	Eccentric81	and toggle proton steamplay
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2024-04-26 12:47:00	Eccentric81	since arch has.. well no arch, couldnt you port it all over and be 'better'
2024-04-26 12:47:06	Eccentric81	thats how the linux works right?
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2024-04-26 12:47:57	Eccentric81	I also try to use my custom linux config.ini text files i had to put in xml and html too as its sorta not working mostly anymore
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2024-04-26 12:48:28	Eccentric81	i developed them while gaming and alt tabbing typing different words on windows and tested it gaming on my android phone too
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2024-04-26 12:48:38	Eccentric81	but i sadly dont have consoles but do have a massive steam library
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2024-04-26 12:49:09	Eccentric81	and windows had ISOs and USB's that fail to install and some sorta file system fails wouldnt report sizes for steam game folders
2024-04-26 12:49:24	Eccentric81	had to powershell script up a query which took like minutes just to show everythings way over file size
2024-04-26 12:49:49	Eccentric81	half the linux drive tools give errors about last block or extended beyond disk size limit
2024-04-26 12:50:15	Eccentric81	i think someones tried to randsome ware me but i just games so i secure erase reinstall or whatever and they rush back in
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2024-04-26 12:50:55	Eccentric81	my windows was struggling to run ps3 games previously and even sega megadrive games.. when each of the 60 cores of my GPU is video hardware encode/decode stream 8k165hz68billion colors
2024-04-26 12:51:02	Eccentric81	i have a 7800xt
2024-04-26 12:51:23	heythere221	Hello, does anyne know what HWID's are accessible to a 'normal' non root user on arch? I tried looking that up but thre's not too much info about it. It's probably a basic sys admin question... I know that the MAC address can be accessed.
2024-04-26 12:51:39	Eccentric81	i dont know why when windows was such fails i went back to linux after screaming and rage quitting linux decades ago when they super suck
2024-04-26 12:51:42	heythere221	Is there maybe a list that mentions key UID's that can be viewed?
2024-04-26 12:52:10	Eccentric81	but its actually more difficult to linux now than ever.. i think people steal the code or kernels or whatever and pretend its their special magic tricks for $$$
2024-04-26 12:52:31	Eccentric81	sorta apple technology vulture business model not really ever done anything good ever
2024-04-26 12:53:11	Eccentric81	but great marketing to make older cheaper stuff with reconfigs and more paywalls sound like a great idea
2024-04-26 12:53:56	Eccentric81	linux trying to go full apple, paid linux business plans for support and custom OS by coders used to be for large corporate
2024-04-26 12:54:07	gromit	Eccentric81: could you stop rambling pls? 
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2024-04-26 12:54:25	gromit	heythere221: which key UID's do you mean? 
2024-04-26 12:54:27	Eccentric81	hmm.. basically if i throw in official arch will my GPU work? can it dolbyvision lasers?
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2024-04-26 12:54:53	Eccentric81	they often literally cant laser math of an 80s photocopier or laser printer
2024-04-26 12:55:09	Eccentric81	most android phones and things wont render better with vulkan via config file specifying it
2024-04-26 12:55:35	Eccentric81	it cant math or floating point not enough decimal places when the word digital mathematically means infinity res and infinity decimal places
2024-04-26 12:55:45	Eccentric81	if its not even digital and cant math.. its not a computer
2024-04-26 12:56:01	Eccentric81	when test android phones/tablets its often super disappoint
2024-04-26 12:56:05	gromit	!mods
2024-04-26 12:56:06	phrik	THE PEOPLE'S CHAMPIONS! THE PEOPLE'S CHAMPIONS!
2024-04-26 12:56:07	Eccentric81	laptops nd stuff
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2024-04-26 12:56:35	Eccentric81	many work and many TV's like samsung are worlds beyond 60s dolby logos
2024-04-26 12:56:37	gromit	!ops 
2024-04-26 12:56:38	phrik	alad, BrainDamage, gehidore/man, grawity, jelle, MrElendig/Mion, Namarrgon
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2024-04-26 12:57:16	Eccentric81	but.. i cant figure out why stores cant promise or let me test it
2024-04-26 12:57:25	Eccentric81	say its like mattress or underwear no refunds
2024-04-26 12:57:43	heythere221	gromit: I mean any hardware ID's that are unique to my device like the MAC address, UUID's viewable with blkid (that requires root tho) etc.
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2024-04-26 12:58:44	Eccentric81	so say popular playstation titles or nvidia logos ones.. baldurs gate 3 or cyberpunk or last of us, god of war..
2024-04-26 12:58:52	Eccentric81	amd featured games list.. ? any promises?
2024-04-26 12:58:59	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [+o BrainDamage] by ChanServ
2024-04-26 12:59:06	another|	Eccentric81: Lobster Thermidore please
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2024-04-26 12:59:42	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [+b $a:Eccentric81] by BrainDamage
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2024-04-26 13:01:18	Tom^	when did BrainDamage get @ hat
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2024-04-26 13:02:50	gromit	Tom^: I think for quite some time: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_IRC_channels&diff=prev&oldid=715011
2024-04-26 13:02:53	phrik	Title: Arch IRC channels: Difference between revisions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-26 13:03:27	gromit	heythere221: no clue :/ but others might have an idea, just stick around for a bit
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2024-04-26 13:03:59	heythere221	gromit: Thanks! :D
2024-04-26 13:04:16	heythere221	I'll wait then.
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2024-04-26 13:06:38	BertoX	Hello
2024-04-26 13:06:49	gromit	!give BertoX welcome
2024-04-26 13:06:50	phrik	BertoX: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2024-04-26 13:07:01	BertoX	i am not this time :)
2024-04-26 13:07:12	gromit	Then hello anyways ;) 
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2024-04-26 13:07:20	BertoX	:)
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2024-04-26 13:13:54	ishitatsuyuki	um... does installing python 3.12 from testing break the world?
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2024-04-26 13:14:21	BrainDamage	you either upgrade everything at once or nothing
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2024-04-26 13:14:35	ishitatsuyuki	let me double check my mirrors
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2024-04-26 13:15:33	ishitatsuyuki	my mirror is at 100% and I'm not doing a partial upgrade
2024-04-26 13:16:15	ishitatsuyuki	lemme see if it's some transient dependency issue
2024-04-26 13:16:51	gromit	ishitatsuyuki: with which packages are you seeing problems? 
2024-04-26 13:17:07	gromit	We ofc only are able to rebuild official packages, AUR packages are your responsibility
2024-04-26 13:17:14	ishitatsuyuki	ffmpeg, qt5, a lot of things
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2024-04-26 13:18:17	ishitatsuyuki	it was old vapoursynth-git :/
2024-04-26 13:18:24	ishitatsuyuki	fine now, sorry for the noise
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2024-04-26 13:21:43	demonicmaniac1	rebuild-detector is a great asset
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2024-04-26 13:22:10	demonicmaniac1	the pacman hook doesn't catch everything since it only checks direct dependencies of upgraded packages but still catches a good bit
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2024-04-26 13:22:45	gromit	Note that the binary is called "checkrebuild", this trips me up everytime x) 
2024-04-26 13:22:54	demonicmaniac1	^^
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2024-04-26 13:23:49	BrainDamage	same, I've added an alias because of that
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2024-04-26 14:13:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-26 14:13:12	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1462 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1461 regular)
2024-04-26 13:58:14	my42	i am not this time :)
2024-04-26 13:58:22	my42	(oops)
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2024-04-26 14:20:40	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-26 14:25:25	lairnc	when upgrading my system i get this error: npm: /usr/lib/node_modules/npm/node_modules/socks-proxy-agent/LICENSE exists in filesystem
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2024-04-26 14:25:42	lairnc	error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
2024-04-26 14:25:48	lairnc	How can i fix it?
2024-04-26 14:25:57	teraflops	what does output pacman -Qo /usr/lib/node_modules/npm/node_modules/socks-proxy-agent/LICENSE
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2024-04-26 14:26:32	lairnc	no package owns it
2024-04-26 14:26:52	teraflops	then remove it or use overwrite with pacman
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2024-04-26 14:29:26	lairnc	--overwrite * ??
2024-04-26 14:29:33	lairnc	or which pattern
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2024-04-26 14:32:12	teraflops	--overwrite "*" 
2024-04-26 14:32:23	Scimmia	Just the one file? Why would you glob at all?
2024-04-26 14:32:24	teraflops	ot just remove the sdile
2024-04-26 14:32:31	teraflops	or^
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2024-04-26 14:34:24	terzievk	Why can't laptop boot after the grub menu after removing sda when / is on my other disk? lsblk: https://paste.linux.chat/?43f1a5f2633febf6#EHz6udLEgaN9v9W6eSK6HjkQSmejqiEH6WXtmWXdXAXC
2024-04-26 14:34:25	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XHew.txt
2024-04-26 14:34:26	phrik	Title: Linux.Chat PrivateBin (at paste.linux.chat)
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2024-04-26 14:35:02	Namarrgon	terzievk: are you using UUIDs in the bootloader config and fstab?
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2024-04-26 14:36:07	terzievk	Namarrgon:  not sure. But it timedout and complained about the missing disk by uuid
2024-04-26 14:36:18	Namarrgon	Is that filesystem in fstab?
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2024-04-26 14:38:41	Namarrgon	If this a removable disk then you might want to add the 'nofail' mount option. Then systemd won't bail when the device is missing.
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2024-04-26 14:39:48	terzievk	it is in fstab https://paste.linux.chat/?bab2d7df46e81d5b#54zMk6hX722Bdmte4TKAS19bnGTgDYNL9cPQmUCsTgda
2024-04-26 14:39:48	phrik	Title: Linux.Chat PrivateBin (at paste.linux.chat)
2024-04-26 14:39:49	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XHeg.txt
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2024-04-26 14:40:40	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fstab#External_devices
2024-04-26 14:40:41	phrik	Title: fstab - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-26 14:42:06	terzievk	Namarrgon:  cool, I'll go try that
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2024-04-26 14:46:56	terzievk	Namarrgon: thanks :) you da man
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2024-04-26 15:03:52	MapleStory	Hey guys, I've installed arch many times but for this new laptop I've got that's a UEFI system that uses emmc non removable storage it doesn't seem to booting the linux boot manager and I don't know why, I have secure boot turned off and I'm using systemd-boot
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2024-04-26 15:04:09	MapleStory	But for some reason, when I use archinstall it boots properly, would anyone know what could be the issue?
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2024-04-26 15:05:19	MacGyver	MapleStory: What's the output of efibootmgr?
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2024-04-26 15:05:44	MacGyver	!give MapleStory paste
2024-04-26 15:05:45	phrik	MapleStory: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-04-26 15:07:45	MapleStory	MacGyver Let me try figure out how I can do this in the live install
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2024-04-26 15:09:55	MacGyver	Oh, hmm.
2024-04-26 15:10:03	MacGyver	Doesn't the archiso ship with efibootmgr on board?
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2024-04-26 15:10:52	MapleStory	It does but I mean copying the output part
2024-04-26 15:10:57	MacGyver	Oh.
2024-04-26 15:11:00	MacGyver	!give MapleStory rs
2024-04-26 15:11:00	phrik	MapleStory: <command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
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2024-04-26 15:11:25	MacGyver	And then type over whatever URL that gives you.
2024-04-26 15:11:42	MapleStory	Alright one moment, need to start over and partition the disks but will paste that in a few mins
2024-04-26 15:11:45	snoriman	Hi, I'm trying to upgrade my system but it fails with a message `warning: removing 'jre17-openjdk-17.0.11.u9-1' from target list because it conflicts with 'jdk17-openjdk-17.0.11.u9-1'` and wondering what I should do?
2024-04-26 15:11:52	MacGyver	Don't bother partitioning the disks.
2024-04-26 15:11:58	MacGyver	Just run efibootmgr from the live ISO.
2024-04-26 15:12:05	MacGyver	I want to know what's *currently* in there.
2024-04-26 15:13:35	MacGyver	snoriman: Might you be hitting https://archlinux.org/news/incoming-changes-in-jdk-jre-21-packages-may-require-manual-intervention/ here?
2024-04-26 15:13:36	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Incoming changes in JDK / JRE 21 packages may require manual intervention (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-26 15:13:47	teraflops	snoriman: iirc https://archlinux.org/news/incoming-changes-in-jdk-jre-21-packages-may-require-manual-intervention/
2024-04-26 15:13:48	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Incoming changes in JDK / JRE 21 packages may require manual intervention (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-26 15:14:08	MacGyver	teraflops: Hah! You snooze, you lose!
2024-04-26 15:14:43	MacGyver	But, yeah.
2024-04-26 15:14:43	teraflops	oh hah
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2024-04-26 15:14:49	MacGyver	However, that shouldn't make it fail, right.
2024-04-26 15:14:52	teraflops	yeah sorry I didnt read you
2024-04-26 15:15:17	MacGyver	snoriman: There's probably a later line telling you why it won't continue.
2024-04-26 15:15:24	snoriman	thanks!
2024-04-26 15:15:29	MacGyver	snoriman: As it says in the line you pasted, that's just a *warning*.
2024-04-26 15:15:58	MacGyver	snoriman: There's going to be something along the lines of "package X depends on jre17-openjdk"
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2024-04-26 15:16:55	snoriman	Yeah this is the rest of the message I get https://gist.github.com/samsnori/b8096605b2210f019fb86ecd31865979
2024-04-26 15:17:42	MacGyver	Right, yeah, no weird dependencies caused by AUR packages or anything there.
2024-04-26 15:17:52	MacGyver	Then the first bulletpoint in the news article linked should suffice.
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2024-04-26 15:21:11	MapleStory	MacGyver Oops just saw your message, but here: https://paste.rs/ocao6#
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2024-04-26 15:22:48	MacGyver	That's ... interesting.
2024-04-26 15:22:58	MacGyver	Wonder why there's five separate identical entries.
2024-04-26 15:23:43	MacGyver	It did create *an* entry for systemd-boot, so there's that.
2024-04-26 15:24:26	MacGyver	And it does have an entry for the fallback bootloader explicitly in there as well.
2024-04-26 15:24:32	MacGyver	Question is, I guess, if that's the right disk.
2024-04-26 15:25:35	MapleStory	Fairly sure it is, the block is /dev/mmcblk0
2024-04-26 15:25:40	MapleStory	USB Is /dev/sda
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2024-04-26 15:26:00	MapleStory	Any way to clear the boot table?
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2024-04-26 15:32:20	Namarrgon	You mean the nvram entries? efibootmgr can remove those.
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2024-04-26 15:34:38	MapleStory	Namarrgon Yea, what would be the correct command to clear them? Ill try a clean install after
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2024-04-26 15:39:34	MacGyver	I think, but double-check, that if you want to e.g. clear the one listed as 0001, it's `efibootmgr -B 0001`
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2024-04-26 15:43:15	MapleStory	MacGyver I tried that before actually, but the 0001 isn't the bootnum and in the man pages it doesn't even say what the bootnum is supposed to be, tried Boot0001, etc but none of them work
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2024-04-26 15:43:38	MacGyver	I'm pretty sure that *should* be the bootnum.
2024-04-26 15:44:07	Namarrgon	you also need --delete-bootnum
2024-04-26 15:44:15	MapleStory	Ahh I figured it out you need -B and -b
2024-04-26 15:44:18	MacGyver	Isn't that -B?
2024-04-26 15:44:27	MapleStory	So it was efibootmgr -B -b 0001
2024-04-26 15:44:33	MacGyver	Oh, right >.<
2024-04-26 15:44:42	MacGyver	-b to select it, -B to actually do the operation.
2024-04-26 15:44:49	MacGyver	Sensible.
2024-04-26 15:45:01	MacGyver	Because all the other things you might mean by saying -B 0001
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2024-04-26 15:45:15	MapleStory	Just want to double check if I delete the entry for the UEFI os, that means I won't be able to boot into the bios right lol
2024-04-26 15:45:39	MacGyver	MapleStory: It *shouldn't* mean that but I've seen firmware do weirder things.
2024-04-26 15:46:01	MapleStory	Haha alright ill just leave it dont want to see any more weird things
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2024-04-26 15:47:37	Namarrgon	Those entries are generated on boot by the firmware.
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2024-04-26 15:48:22	MapleStory	Ok thats good to know ty :)
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2024-04-26 15:59:48	MapleStory	Still doesn't work after clearing the entries ;( what the heck is archinstall doing differently that it gets it to work
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2024-04-26 16:00:02	Namarrgon	What are you doing?
2024-04-26 16:00:14	illuminated	arch sucks
2024-04-26 16:00:17	illuminated	:D
2024-04-26 16:00:25	MapleStory	Namarrgon Just doing a regular install
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2024-04-26 16:01:02	MapleStory	But I can't boot into arch for some reason
2024-04-26 16:01:12	Namarrgon	We will need more details.
2024-04-26 16:01:44	Namarrgon	Where is the ESP mounted? How do you install the loader? How do you configure the loader and entries?
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2024-04-26 16:04:23	MapleStory	Namarrgon I don't see any esp directory in root, but I have /boot/efi, I just used `bootctl install`
2024-04-26 16:04:36	MapleStory	NetSysFire No error, just says to reboot into firmware
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2024-04-26 16:05:40	Namarrgon	How do you copy the kernel to the ESP?
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2024-04-26 16:06:18	MapleStory	NetSysFire Am I supposed to generate this myself? Ive never had to do so in the past, what should I be doing here?
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2024-04-26 16:06:37	Namarrgon	You always had to write the entries yourself.
2024-04-26 16:06:39	phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-26 16:08:54	MapleStory	I swear I never have had to in previous installs, I'll check this out thanks
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2024-04-26 16:16:39	chiselfuse	idk why upgrading my system always ends up breaking something (i can't reboot and i get thrown in emergency shell which hangs and i can't type in it)
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2024-04-26 16:17:05	chiselfuse	i then have to live boot off an arch usb, chroot into my system and `pacman -S linux-zen`
2024-04-26 16:17:15	chiselfuse	it does "re-installing..."
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2024-04-26 16:18:05	gromit	MapleStory: well with grub you just do grub-install [...] && grub-mkconfig [...] so maybe you just never used systemd-boot or set it up via archinstall? 
2024-04-26 16:18:45	gromit	chiselfuse: if you have enough space on the relevant partition keeping an lts or regular linux image around might be worth it
2024-04-26 16:19:09	MapleStory	gromit actually it's the opposite I've never used grub and always just default to systemd since its part of base, I swear I've never had to add these entries myself
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2024-04-26 16:19:48	MapleStory	NetSysFire under section 4.2 in systemd-boot page, is the `options root=UUID` the same UUID in /etc/fstab?
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2024-04-26 16:25:36	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-26 16:21:26	chiselfuse	gromit: i don't understand how that would help
2024-04-26 16:22:17	gromit	chiselfuse: then you should have a working kernel install which you can use instead of chrooting
2024-04-26 16:22:40	gromit	chiselfuse: but do you have any clue whats wrong and causes the hang or whats fixed by the reinstall? 
2024-04-26 16:22:50	gromit	is the upgrade applied cleanly? 
2024-04-26 16:23:00	Namarrgon	chiselfuse: Does pacman actually finish the update or does it get interrupted in the middle?
2024-04-26 16:24:27	MacGyver	MapleStory: You mentioned archinstall a few times -- maybe archinstall generates them for you.
2024-04-26 16:24:55	MapleStory	MacGyver This was before archinstall even existed, which is why I'm so confused as to how this is new information for me haha
2024-04-26 16:25:09	MapleStory	Maybe I just forgot, was a long time ago
2024-04-26 16:25:11	MacGyver	MapleStory: Heh. Honestly, the most likely explanation then is that you did it but forgot.
2024-04-26 16:25:20	MacGyver	Human memory is a fickle thing.
2024-04-26 16:25:36	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-26 16:26:02	alad	what is memory
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2024-04-26 16:28:36	alad	^
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2024-04-26 16:32:07	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-26 16:38:55	MapleStory	Seem to be stuck again, I think I have a correct loader.conf and a corresponding entry under loader/entries/ but I don't see the option pop up at boot time
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2024-04-26 16:44:00	MapleStory	Loader.conf : https://paste.rs/BmXFb   arch.conf: https://paste.rs/Solv1    ls: https://paste.rs/VaY6u
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2024-04-26 16:52:09	mefistofeles	is arch vulnerable to https://access.redhat.com/security/cve/CVE-2024-2961 ?
2024-04-26 16:52:09	phrik	Title: cve-details (at access.redhat.com)
2024-04-26 16:52:22	mefistofeles	I'm assuming yes
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2024-04-26 16:54:36	astralc	this is the recent PHP code red CVE?
2024-04-26 16:54:42	gromit	mefistofeles: already fixed I guess https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/glibc/-/commit/5117d41e1228699e398407b13af35adb7e4d7ff1
2024-04-26 16:54:43	phrik	Title: upgpkg: 2.39-2: fix CVE-2024-2961 (5117d41e) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / glibc · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-26 16:56:32	MapleStory	NetSysFire never mind got it working, I'm not sure why /boot/initram.... is wrong in arch.conf but /initram.... is right
2024-04-26 16:56:43	MapleStory	Since its located at /boot/, bit confusing there
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2024-04-26 16:58:18	mefistofeles	gromit: oh okay, I thought the fix was upgrading to 2.40, gotcha, thanks
2024-04-26 16:58:45	Namarrgon	MapleStory: The loader does never load your /-fs, it only access the ESP filesystem.
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2024-04-26 17:01:48	zipper	Have you guys seen this error "nodejs-lts-hydrogen-18.18.2-2 and nodejs-21.7.3-1 are in conflict. Remove nodejs? "
2024-04-26 17:02:22	zipper	"error: unresolvable package conflicts detected"
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2024-04-26 17:02:38	Namarrgon	You can't have both of them installed at the same time.
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2024-04-26 17:03:38	zipper	hmm It doesn't let me uninstall nodejs because of its deps
2024-04-26 17:03:51	MapleStory	Namarrgon ah okay thanks makes sense then since its relative.  Another question though, so I booted up my other laptop I had and looked at /boot/loader/loader.conf it shows `default [some hex characters]` only in the config, was this created automatically or something?
2024-04-26 17:04:19	zipper	Namarrgon: Is there a command to remove a package and the packages that depend on it?
2024-04-26 17:04:19	MapleStory	Cause I'm curious to know what the hex characters mean
2024-04-26 17:04:34	zipper	Without accidetally nuking my installation?
2024-04-26 17:05:48	Namarrgon	zipper: Install the one you want and accept the replacement.
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2024-04-26 17:07:16	zipper	Namarrgon: It doesn't give me a chance to select y/N
2024-04-26 17:07:35	Namarrgon	zipper: What command are you running and what is the full output?
2024-04-26 17:08:28	zipper	Namarrgon: Oh wait I got around it by just `paru -S nodejs-lts-hydrogen` instead of trying to do it in `paru -Syu'
2024-04-26 17:09:32	Namarrgon	MapleStory: Does it match the machine-id?
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2024-04-26 17:10:59	MapleStory	'=D why yes it does, it shows $machine-id-* what would the -* imply?
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2024-04-26 17:11:43	Namarrgon	The "*"? That's a glob.
2024-04-26 17:11:58	MapleStory	both hyphen and *
2024-04-26 17:12:03	MapleStory	but ah I see
2024-04-26 17:12:29	n3m0256	Just updated archlinux after almost 2 years, works great! thank you guys so much for everything!!!
2024-04-26 17:13:27	Namarrgon	MapleStory: The hyphen is just a separator beteween the machine-id and, usually, the name of the kernel version.
2024-04-26 17:13:35	MapleStory	awesome thanks
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2024-04-26 17:26:21	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-26 17:26:21	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1474 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1473 regular)
2024-04-26 17:26:21	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-26 17:29:22	vikn	n3m0256: Nice that you got it working, I broke several installs several time by not updating them for a shorter period!
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2024-04-26 17:31:11	gromit	vikn: huh, that sounds unlikely .. What broke?
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2024-04-26 17:32:20	vikn	Oh I fixed it a long time ago. It's not that Arch itself 'breaks' but that pacman refuses operation because of package singing errors.
2024-04-26 17:33:12	vikn	Once I asked here and figured out something like that, and recently I managed to fix it myself by regenerating the keyring or something like that.
2024-04-26 17:33:36	bookworm	less errors and more that you don't have the right keys yeah
2024-04-26 17:34:16	bookworm	nowdays there's a timer that runs in the background ,but if you are 2 years behind updates you probably weren't running it
2024-04-26 17:34:32	vikn	Yeah of course but sometimes I just don't have the time to keep it updated
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2024-04-26 17:34:45	gromit	vikn: the topic has information on that and there are the following two
2024-04-26 17:34:45	vikn	I think this was before we had the timer, but I'm a bit fuzzy on the details.
2024-04-26 17:34:49	gromit	!fixkeyring1
2024-04-26 17:34:50	phrik	gromit: Is that a question?
2024-04-26 17:34:53	gromit	!fixkeyring
2024-04-26 17:34:54	phrik	Your keyring issue would be probably fixed by: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
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2024-04-26 17:34:58	gromit	!fixkeyring2
2024-04-26 17:34:59	phrik	If your keyring issue hasn't been fixed yet, try: rm -rf /etc/pacman.d/gnupg && pacman-key --init && pacman-key --populate && pacman-key --refresh-keys
2024-04-26 17:35:17	vikn	As I said I already fixed it a while ago!
2024-04-26 17:35:33	vikn	Indeed using commands similar to what you posted.
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2024-04-26 17:36:23	vikn	It's kind of funny, I wanted to show a friend how it couldn't update anymore, but then it went ahead and proceeded without errors.
2024-04-26 17:36:40	vikn	I guess I forgot to test after my last attempt to refresh the keyring or something like that.
2024-04-26 17:37:14	vikn	I really wish I had a higher-level understanding of the system and how it works, but I still don't get it after reading the Wiki twice.
2024-04-26 17:37:49	vikn	I guess I'll leave that as homework for the next time I forget to update it timely!
2024-04-26 17:38:16	gromit	vikn: feel free to also use the support channels (i.e. IRC and the forums) for such cases! 
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2024-04-26 17:42:43	jpw	i've got a wierd issue that's started recently. When i attach a network cable to my laptop the network seems to freeze up. userspace tools like ip etc just hang in an unkillable state. this gets progressively worse until i need to hard reset. im not even sure where to start debugging this...
2024-04-26 17:43:57	vikn	gromit: Thanks! I have all the information but I guess I just need to have a chat with somebody with experience to put it all in the right place.
2024-04-26 17:44:11	vikn	I guess I'll do it when the need arises again.
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2024-04-26 17:44:59	vikn	jpw: That's a very weird bug! Not that I can help, but what do you mean with 'the network seems to freeze up'?
2024-04-26 17:45:01	jpw	i thought it could be related to an rtlxxau module i had loaded. i've uninstalled that but the problem is persisting. any poianters greatfully received.
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2024-04-26 17:46:25	jpw	vikn. i meant network tools. like `ip`. i run the command but nothing responds i can't ctrl-c it. sigterm has no effect.
2024-04-26 17:46:30	gromit	jpw: this could be a kernel bug/regression .. Is the relevant from upstream or built separately? 
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2024-04-26 17:46:55	jpw	it's 6.8.7-arch1-1
2024-04-26 17:47:08	MacGyver	Anything in dmesg when you plug it in?
2024-04-26 17:47:49	jpw	can't access dmesg. it freezes like the ip etc.
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2024-04-26 17:49:11	jpw	i'll go dig around the lkml i just thought i'd ask incase it's come up already. cheers
2024-04-26 17:49:27	ponies	jpw: it's probably in the journal jpw
2024-04-26 17:49:47	ponies	!give jpw p3
2024-04-26 17:49:47	phrik	jpw: journalctl -b0 -p3 --no-pager
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2024-04-26 18:29:55	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-26 18:29:55	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1471 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1470 regular)
2024-04-26 17:50:30	ponies	actually journalctl -b -1 -k is what you want 
2024-04-26 17:50:52	jpw	so `journalctl -b -1 -k`
2024-04-26 17:51:13	ponies	ya 
2024-04-26 17:52:15	jpw	ok brb just gonna crash a sec
2024-04-26 17:53:37	tatsumaru	hey guys, recently I've been getting some computer generated voice which says that some speech module is missing and I need to go to something like /run/1000/speech or something like that to check what's going on. it's very weird and I am not sure what's triggering it, it sounds like some accessibility thing. any idea what that might be?
2024-04-26 17:56:07	jpw	bk
2024-04-26 17:56:21	jpw	!paste
2024-04-26 17:56:21	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-26 17:58:13	jpw	definetly something not quite right https://paste.rs/floeX.txt
2024-04-26 17:58:14	phrik	Title: Source Code | floeX | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-04-26 17:58:58	chovy	anyone know why i started getting WRT buffer detection invalid errors when my laptop wakes up?
2024-04-26 17:59:08	chovy	just started happening a few days ago after upgrading
2024-04-26 17:59:11	leonic	hi, I installed and enabled NetworkManager (and disabled systemd-networkd), and now my desktop won't load.
2024-04-26 18:04:06	gromit	leonic: do you have any error for us? Also in which part of the boot/startup process does it error out?
2024-04-26 18:04:37	leonic	I don't see any errors.
2024-04-26 18:05:25	leonic	it boots fine, but then after I'm (automatically) logged into my terminal, it wants to start KDE, but it hangs for ~30 seconds.
2024-04-26 18:05:44	leonic	I just see a blinking underscore for a while
2024-04-26 18:06:18	leonic	then after 30 seconds or so KDE starts, but I only get a black screen and cursor.
2024-04-26 18:07:48	leonic	no taskbar. if I hit my keyboard shortcut for opening a terminal it shows that it's loading, but it takes 30 seconds or so for the terminal to actually appear.
2024-04-26 18:08:17	tirnanog	tatsumaru: that is symptomatic of enabling screen reader - or text-to-speech - support somewhere, without installing all of the pre-requisite components.
2024-04-26 18:08:26	leonic	and then when I run firefox from within the terminal, it also hangs for 30 seconds, but then firefox starts.
2024-04-26 18:09:12	tatsumaru	tirnanog: hmm, is there an easy way to discover what's doing that?
2024-04-26 18:12:42	tirnanog	tatsumaru: I'm not sure. however, DE would be my first suspicion.
2024-04-26 18:13:59	tirnanog	tatsumaru: and browser second. Firefox can interact with orca for text-to-speech, I think.
2024-04-26 18:16:10	tatsumaru	tirnanog: I see, thanks.
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2024-04-26 18:34:14	leonic	gromit: I tried deleting .cache .config and .local and then KDE boots without issue with NetworkManager enabled.
2024-04-26 18:35:08	leonic	yeah, I just moved them to a backup folder
2024-04-26 18:35:37	leonic	I then tried just deleting .cache, but that didn't work. then I tried .config and that did work.
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2024-04-26 18:36:31	leonic	then I tried deleting .config/{a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j}*, but it didn't work. but deleting .config/{k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z}* did work.
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2024-04-26 18:37:19	leonic	halving the letters in the alphabet is the fastest/most efficient way to find what's causing the issue.
2024-04-26 18:37:56	MacGyver	That's ... a terribly good idea that I never considered before.
2024-04-26 18:38:11	MacGyver	Though you'll miss everything capitalized and starting with numbers, but ... yeah.
2024-04-26 18:38:13	leonic	I narrowed it down to .config/{q,r,s,t}*, and eventually .config/systemd
2024-04-26 18:39:06	leonic	turns out there's a network service .config/systemd/user/sshfs.service which has `After=network-online.target` and `Wants=network-online.target`.
2024-04-26 18:39:27	leonic	I think that's what's causing NetworkManager to prevent KDE from loading
2024-04-26 18:40:00	leonic	because just running `systemctl --user disable sshfs.service` fixes the issue.
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2024-04-26 18:41:10	leonic	I kinda need that service though to access some files from an ssh network share...
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2024-04-26 18:41:43	leonic	weird that it works fine with systemd-networkd, but causes the complete desktop to be unusable with NetworkManager
2024-04-26 18:42:06	MacGyver	What's probably happening here is that NetworkManager is set to try to configure *all* interfaces and consider them *all* essential for network-wait-online.
2024-04-26 18:42:45	MacGyver	I don't use NetworkManager in anger ... I mean, in the real world -- whenever I *do* use it it always makes me angry ... so I don't know how to *fix* that.
2024-04-26 18:42:54	MacGyver	But it probably is what's happening here.
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2024-04-26 18:43:14	MacGyver	Do you need the ssh network share to be online *in order* to start the desktop, though?
2024-04-26 18:43:15	leonic	yeah, but a simple systemd user service failing to load shouldn't cause the whole desktop (and all programs within it) to fail
2024-04-26 18:43:40	leonic	no, the network share is just for some files that are irrelevant to the desktop
2024-04-26 18:43:40	MacGyver	Then you don't need sshfs.service, you need a proper sshfs automount entry.
2024-04-26 18:44:07	MacGyver	Let's see if I still have one in my fstab.
2024-04-26 18:44:23	MacGyver	Hmm, nope, recently removed it.
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2024-04-26 18:45:10	MacGyver	leonic: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/SSHFS#On_demand + https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fstab#Automount_with_systemd
2024-04-26 18:45:12	phrik	Title: SSHFS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-26 18:45:20	MacGyver	leonic: Let me grab my laptop, maybe I've still got it there.
2024-04-26 18:45:42	leonic	this is what I've got https://i.imgur.com/bH4Z9xj.png
2024-04-26 18:45:46	leonic	works fine with systemd-networkd
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2024-04-26 18:46:24	leonic	MacGyver: thanks, I'll try the automunt
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2024-04-26 18:46:28	leonic	automount*
2024-04-26 18:47:16	MacGyver	leonic: Something along these lines: host.configured.in.ssh.config:/remote/path /local/mountpoint fuse.sshfs noauto,x-systemd.automount,_netdev,user,idmap=user,follow_symlinks,allow_other,default_permissions,uid=1000,gid=1000,reconnect 0 0
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2024-04-26 18:47:25	MacGyver	leonic: As a line in /etc/fstab.
2024-04-26 18:47:32	MacGyver	leonic: Note the uid and gid mapping.
2024-04-26 18:48:08	leonic	too bad you need root access to /etc/fstab for that
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2024-04-26 18:48:47	MacGyver	leonic: I don't know whether the same can be achieved without root rights -- I don't quite know how the hooking the directory access works.
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2024-04-26 18:49:28	leonic	it's my pc, so I can change it. but it seems like something that should be possible without root.
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2024-04-26 18:51:19	MacGyver	Well, what this will do is generate systemd automount units.
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2024-04-26 18:51:57	MacGyver	Feasibly a user could write and run those -- but whether a normal user has the required rights for the whole "is automounts when a certain directory is accessed" part, *that* I don't know.
2024-04-26 18:51:59	savolla	I find installing packages through nix package manager more confortable than using AUR. because nix packages don't brake my system deps or any other parts of my system. I need your opinions guys
2024-04-26 18:52:20	illuminated	guys
2024-04-26 18:52:22	illuminated	arch sucks
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2024-04-26 18:52:32	Namarrgon	Yes, you said that already.
2024-04-26 18:52:48	illuminated	:)
2024-04-26 18:52:51	illuminated	i love arch
2024-04-26 18:53:12	illuminated	I'm finding 99% of what I want to install in the base repos
2024-04-26 18:53:16	illuminated	and they're not super old versions
2024-04-26 18:53:23	illuminated	it's great
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2024-04-26 19:00:32	Gordinator	yeah the AUR is quite over-hyped, I have like ~2000 packages and like 10 at most are from the AUR
2024-04-26 19:01:57	jpw	i have 15 ranging from minecraft-launcher to super specific kernel modules.
2024-04-26 19:02:20	jpw	aur is by no means essential but i'm glad it's there
2024-04-26 19:02:26	illuminated	same
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2024-04-26 19:02:49	brjl	The existence of the AUR is just an extension of the "Arch way of shipping software"
2024-04-26 19:02:50	joelkraehemann	hi all
2024-04-26 19:03:10	brjl	It's inevitable, really. Considering all the packaging tools within arch
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2024-04-26 19:04:03	jpw	it's a licensing thing too unfortunately. sometimes you're simply not allowed to re-distribute software
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2024-04-26 19:06:53	illuminated	installing stuff from the aur isn't difficult either
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2024-04-26 19:07:07	illuminated	i mean, the hard way with makepkg
2024-04-26 19:07:16	illuminated	it's really trivial
2024-04-26 19:08:11	jpw	i'm ashamed to admit i only recently discovered `makepkg -is`
2024-04-26 19:08:41	jpw	ultra-trivial mode
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2024-04-26 19:11:46	savolla	what if I install all my packages using nix package manager? how does this affect my arch installation?
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2024-04-26 19:43:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-26 19:43:06	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1481 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1480 regular)
2024-04-26 19:36:00	vikn	Hi all, I want to install a PIP package system-wide but I keep running into warning signs and I guess there has to be another way.
2024-04-26 19:39:46	vikn	The package name is certbot_dns_porkbun, it exist in the AUR but has other AUR dependencies that are horribly outdated (python-dnspython) and I figured I might as well stick to pip.
2024-04-26 19:41:11	Namarrgon	I think you misunderstood something. python-dnspython is in [extra] repo.
2024-04-26 19:41:23	Namarrgon	+the
2024-04-26 19:41:56	Namarrgon	The only aur-dependency is python-pkb-client.
2024-04-26 19:42:30	vikn	Namarrgon: Oh I see now, I have been looking at https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/python-dnspython-git
2024-04-26 19:42:34	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - python-dnspython-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-26 19:43:08	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-26 19:45:45	vikn	BTW, is there a good way to mark AUR-installed packaged as dependencies for another AUR package?
2024-04-26 19:46:36	Namarrgon	You can mark packages as explicitly installed or as dependencies.
2024-04-26 19:47:01	vikn	Oh when installing with pacman after generating it with makepkg, right?
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2024-04-26 19:47:12	vikn	I am too addicted to the -I flag!
2024-04-26 19:47:17	vikn	*-i
2024-04-26 19:47:19	Namarrgon	At install time or afterwards with -D.
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2024-04-26 19:48:03	vikn	-D sounds nicer!
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2024-04-26 19:51:52	leonic	MacGyver: thanks for your help. I've switch to fstab sshfs mounting. it still makes programs hang if my network connection gets interrupted, but otherwise everything seems okay.
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2024-04-26 19:54:43	vikn	Namarrgon: Let me see if my thinking is correct now.
2024-04-26 19:54:46	vikn	I want to install certbot_dns_porkbun from the AUR, which requires python-pkb-client from the AUR python-dnspython from extra.
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2024-04-26 19:56:18	vikn	Does it make sense to install python-pkb-client with `makepgk -si && sudo pacman -D python-pkb-client`
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2024-04-26 19:56:40	vikn	after which I would then do `pacman -S --asdeps python-dnspython`
2024-04-26 19:57:08	Namarrgon	You don't need to manually install the dependencies that are in the official repos, makepkg and pacman will do that for you.
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2024-04-26 19:57:34	Namarrgon	pacman implicitly and makepkg with the -s option.
2024-04-26 19:58:16	vikn	There's the rub, makepkg -si complains that pacman cannot find python-dnspython
2024-04-26 19:58:46	vikn	I assume the PKGBUILD should be updated to require `extra/python-dnspython` instead of `python-dnspython`?
2024-04-26 19:59:03	Namarrgon	pacman -Ss python-dnspython
2024-04-26 19:59:33	vikn	OK, but than in that case I do manually install python-dnspython first, right?
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2024-04-26 19:59:59	vikn	Just checking that I understand your thinking :p
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2024-04-26 20:00:34	illuminated	-Ss searches the package repo for the package
2024-04-26 20:00:35	Namarrgon	Did pacman find the package?
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2024-04-26 20:00:43	vikn	Oh I see...
2024-04-26 20:00:51	vikn	Namarrgon: Let me paste a log
2024-04-26 20:01:02	vikn	!paste
2024-04-26 20:01:02	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-04-26 20:03:51	vikn	Namarrgon: https://bpa.st/3DDA
2024-04-26 20:03:52	phrik	Title: View paste 3DDA (at bpa.st)
2024-04-26 20:04:11	vikn	line 23 I guess
2024-04-26 20:04:29	Namarrgon	Line 20
2024-04-26 20:04:48	Namarrgon	You have to build and install the AUR deps first.
2024-04-26 20:05:04	vikn	OIC
2024-04-26 20:05:14	vikn	Hadn't thought about that one, thank!
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2024-04-26 20:05:39	vikn	I guess I should've stayed in #archlinux-newbie xD
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2024-04-26 20:13:20	Namarrgon	Nah, it's fine here, too.
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2024-04-26 20:14:01	vikn	Yesss, now it works like a charm. Thanks for the help Namarrgon!
2024-04-26 20:15:17	tijko	Why would a project using Automake to build not find libs (e.g. pthread, math, fftw2, etc)?
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2024-04-26 20:15:40	tijko	Never had any issue building with autotools before this.
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2024-04-26 20:25:51	tijko	NetSysFire really weird...maybe you can help me understand if I explain a little more.
2024-04-26 20:26:12	tijko	I cloned a repository and was running "./autogen.sh"
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2024-04-26 20:26:41	tijko	Then I ran through the "help" from ./configure and I found a few flags I was going to custom pass
2024-04-26 20:27:12	tijko	but as soon as I started trying to run ./configure I was getting error after error about "No pthread header"
2024-04-26 20:27:20	tijko	and "No math header"
2024-04-26 20:27:38	tijko	Every dependency linking library wasn't found on the system by automake
2024-04-26 20:28:13	tijko	I decided to try and re-do this all .... Removed the all source and re-cloned and now the automake commands work.
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2024-04-26 20:40:14	lassebq	How does gdm source ~/.profile? My environment variables for graphical session are defined there. On another distro it works, but only when the session is gnome wayland. Xorg session starts without env.
2024-04-26 20:40:34	lassebq	What can I do to make all sessions use env from ~/.profile?
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2024-04-26 20:41:47	lassebq	Wayland sessions which aren't gnome also seem to not pick up env from ~/.profile
2024-04-26 20:42:02	tijko	lassebq you add a line to your .bashrc?
2024-04-26 20:42:11	lassebq	what line?
2024-04-26 20:42:34	lassebq	Also, my login shell isn't bash
2024-04-26 20:42:42	tijko	Well, how about can you describe your environment and setup in more detail
2024-04-26 20:42:53	tijko	> my login shell isn't bash 
2024-04-26 20:43:00	tijko	exactly why I was getting at that
2024-04-26 20:43:50	tijko	lassebq what Desktop Environment do you have?
2024-04-26 20:43:56	lassebq	login shell is zsh, dm is gdm, sessions with env from .profile: gnome wayland and xorg sessions. Everything else: Doesn't use env vars from ~/.profile
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2024-04-26 20:44:30	lassebq	gnome and wlroot compositor sessions
2024-04-26 20:44:42	lassebq	sway, river, hyprland
2024-04-26 20:44:45	tijko	wlroot?  I've not heard of this
2024-04-26 20:44:49	lassebq	wlroots
2024-04-26 20:45:08	tijko	lassebq oh cool
2024-04-26 20:45:13	teraflops	lassebq: use /etc/environment
2024-04-26 20:45:25	lassebq	teraflops: that's global
2024-04-26 20:45:32	lassebq	I need per user conf
2024-04-26 20:46:06	lassebq	~/.profile would suit perfectly if it was used by sessions which aren't gnome
2024-04-26 20:46:43	teraflops	lassebq: there is ~/.config/environment.d
2024-04-26 20:47:18	Ingar	lassebq: gdm might have some scripts e.g. /etc/X11/gdm that it uses to launch sessions?
2024-04-26 20:47:22	lassebq	huh, is that systemd specific? I have no heard of it
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2024-04-26 20:47:27	Ingar	(using sddm myself, haven't used gdm in ages)
2024-04-26 20:47:29	jpw	<lassebq> are you after ~/.Xsession
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2024-04-26 20:48:33	lassebq	Yeah one second brb, lemme try all the suggested paths
2024-04-26 20:49:06	teraflops	lassebq: you said per user, hoe many users do you have there?
2024-04-26 20:49:10	teraflops	how^
2024-04-26 20:49:16	lassebq	2
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2024-04-26 20:50:18	teraflops	at least for xorg gdm sources ~/.xprofile
2024-04-26 20:50:33	lassebq	Oh...
2024-04-26 20:50:34	teraflops	idk if that is still valid for wayland
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2024-04-26 20:51:03	teraflops	I do wayland and gdm and /etc/environment does the job
2024-04-26 20:51:09	CarloWood	I'm having a problem with a LOT of webpages that (I assume) use javascript menu's: if I click on such a menu it disappears on left-click, while the action is only registered on release. Therefore it is near impossible to use a menu.
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2024-04-26 20:51:55	CarloWood	Obviously this is only a problem on linux (if it was the same on Windows it would have been fixed by now; and not be like this for years)
2024-04-26 20:52:03	teraflops	it happens with all the web browsers?
2024-04-26 20:52:18	CarloWood	This is on chrome... let me try firefox.
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2024-04-26 20:52:36	⚡ 	Warepire has never had an issue with menus on websites, on Windows or Linux, firefox, chrome, chromium or edge
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2024-04-26 20:52:41	teraflops	same here
2024-04-26 20:53:56	lassebq	teraflops: The reason why I want to avoid using configuration from /etc isn't even because of multiple users
2024-04-26 20:54:02	lassebq	it's because I share a home partition
2024-04-26 20:54:51	lassebq	so if I boot into a system with a different root, I'd have to reconfigure /etc/profile or /etc/environment or whatever
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2024-04-26 20:55:06	lassebq	Having it in home is a lot more convenient
2024-04-26 20:55:11	CarloWood	Can you please test chrome on https://lichess.org/ ? No need for a login - you get a menu at the top - try clicking on "Play --> Area tournaments".  With firefox the menu does not disappear when I click it (and so, it works).
2024-04-26 20:55:11	phrik	Title: lichess.org • Free Online Chess (at lichess.org)
2024-04-26 20:55:26	teraflops	CarloWood: so does it happen with ff?
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2024-04-26 20:56:06	CarloWood	when I left-click press nothing happens. Upon release of the mouse button it goes to the new page. 
2024-04-26 20:56:10	teraflops	lassebq: then check ~/.xprofile and ~/.config/environment.d I guess
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2024-04-26 20:56:28	CarloWood	That is how it should work.  On Chrome, the menu disappears on press.
2024-04-26 20:56:39	teraflops	only on chrome?
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2024-04-26 20:57:04	CarloWood	I only tested chrome and firefox so far.
2024-04-26 20:57:23	teraflops	file a bug I guess
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2024-04-26 20:57:34	teraflops	I do not have chrome I can try with chromium
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2024-04-26 20:57:54	CarloWood	What is the difference? :/ ... I call it chrome, might be chromium.
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2024-04-26 20:58:19	CarloWood	Ok, it is in fact Chromium.
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2024-04-26 20:58:34	CarloWood	Version 124.0.6367.60 (Official Build) Arch Linux (64-bit)
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2024-04-26 20:59:27	CarloWood	teraflops: can you test the menu on lichess.org with Chromium please? 
2024-04-26 20:59:43	lassebq	> there is ~/.config/environment.d
2024-04-26 20:59:47	lassebq	Pretty sure there isnt
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2024-04-26 21:00:05	CarloWood	Don't pick the top item of a menu - that works even if you click on the 'Play' tab at the top.
2024-04-26 21:00:06	teraflops	CarloWood: https://paste.priet.us/screencast_2024-04-26-20-59-07.webm
2024-04-26 21:00:29	teraflops	lassebq: you have to create it obv since it's at home folder
2024-04-26 21:00:44	lassebq	I'm not retarded, I know
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2024-04-26 21:01:11	CarloWood	teraflops: you didn't see to click on anything. Go to JUGAR, then move the mouse over Torneos and left-click it.
2024-04-26 21:01:15	CarloWood	seem
2024-04-26 21:01:33	lassebq	mkdir .config/environment.d; nvim .config/environment.d/test.sh which then exports a var
2024-04-26 21:01:37	teraflops	It works I can play chess
2024-04-26 21:01:42	teraflops	th cromium
2024-04-26 21:01:42	lassebq	started a shell and it's not there after login
2024-04-26 21:02:00	teraflops	th/with
2024-04-26 21:02:29	CarloWood	teraflops: the Play button works... that is the top one. Please try one that is not at the top of a menu - like 'Torneos'
2024-04-26 21:03:01	teraflops	i picked torneos suizos and it works
2024-04-26 21:03:06	teraflops	lassebq: works for me
2024-04-26 21:03:12	CarloWood	Thanks.
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2024-04-26 21:03:29	CarloWood	Guess it must be something on my side then :/... But no idea what it could be.
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2024-04-26 21:10:09	teraflops	CarloWood: do you have a chrome flags files? if yes tried w/o it? ried with a clean profile too?
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2024-04-26 21:18:35	CarloWood	teraflops: I have a ~/.config/chromium-flags.conf file, but it only has one line in it: --password-store=kwallet5
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2024-04-26 21:29:23	CarloWood	teraflops: I tried it with a new --user-data-dir (profile) and it has the same bug.
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2024-04-26 21:34:10	teraflops	ugh
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2024-04-26 21:36:53	CarloWood	It isn't javascript though. It's html / css.  
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2024-04-26 21:39:58	printfdebugging	Can I install brave using pacman? I don't want to use the AUR
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2024-04-26 21:40:28	susi	you'll install it using pacman even if using aur
2024-04-26 21:40:41	teraflops	!wtf is brave
2024-04-26 21:40:43	phrik	teraflops: extra/profile-sync-daemon
2024-04-26 21:41:00	Warepire	Brave is a browser
2024-04-26 21:41:10	teraflops	tell that to phrik!
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2024-04-26 21:41:32	gugah	ffox-based browser
2024-04-26 21:42:03	susi	brave is known for example this https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/gxz2tp/the_brave_web_browser_is_hijacking_links_and/
2024-04-26 21:42:07	gugah	printfdebugging: get the PKGBUILD and use `makepkg -si`
2024-04-26 21:42:18	christophergray	printfdebugging: brave-bin is in chaotic-aur unofficial repo
2024-04-26 21:42:20	susi	gugah: no, it's chromium-based
2024-04-26 21:42:28	hackfoo	brave needs to go away
2024-04-26 21:42:32	gugah	ah
2024-04-26 21:42:38	printfdebugging	Or I will use chromium, it's the same with same keybindings. Plus it's on pacman :)
2024-04-26 21:42:42	teraflops	printfdebugging: brave browser is not in official repos
2024-04-26 21:43:58	Jhlorn	teraflops: Meanwhile, Vivaldi is. :D
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2024-04-26 22:27:11	Furai	How to check what package provides certain binary?
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2024-04-26 22:27:44	BrainDamage	-F
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2024-04-26 22:28:52	Furai	thanks!
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2024-04-26 22:29:40	BrainDamage	you might have to run -Fy first
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2024-04-26 22:46:58	susi	someone not knowing about -F likely needs to run -Fy first
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2024-04-26 22:47:34	Furai	Sure, maybe.
2024-04-26 22:47:49	Furai	Though it's been refreshed.
2024-04-26 22:47:56	Furai	Anyway, thanks for help.
2024-04-26 22:48:12	Furai	It's just I forgot it and I use it sparsely.
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2024-04-26 22:48:31	Furai	Should have checked manual.
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2024-04-27 00:09:48	⚡ 	cloudowind wishes goodays everyone 
2024-04-27 01:01:37	Feru	And I always googled that. 
2024-04-27 01:10:17	my42	Hello
2024-04-27 01:31:40	cloudowind	synergy 
2024-04-27 02:46:04	breezboy	I am trying to play civilization V. I have set the preload per the wiki, but it is still not working. https://bpa.st/KVPQ
2024-04-27 02:46:04	phrik	Title: View paste KVPQ (at bpa.st)
2024-04-27 03:14:47	d3spair	How to enable edns0 option in default NetworkManager config?
2024-04-27 03:16:04	d3spair	Apparently NixOS does this by default, but Arch doesn't and it causes problems
2024-04-27 03:18:09	cloudowind	NetworkManager conf?
2024-04-27 03:23:36	cloudowind	[main] dns=dnsmasq rc-manager=resolvconf systemd-resolved=false ... i asked chatgpt for you
2024-04-27 03:26:05	d3spair	does line "Generated by resolvconf" means that system uses openresolv to generate resolv.conf?
2024-04-27 03:27:35	phrik	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvC3e7_XoAMZNpx?format=jpg&name=large
2024-04-27 03:28:29	Scimmia	d3spair: what would NetworkManager have to do with edns0?
2024-04-27 03:31:03	d3spair	Psi-Jack: I have site that works ok if resolved from WAN, but if I connect to VPN and use default NM setup in Arch it fails to resolve properly and I couln't access it 
2024-04-27 03:32:02	d3spair	NixOS for some reason (probably it has more tuned "default" settings) works without any problems if I just enable NM
2024-04-27 03:33:04	phrik	Title: Enable EDNS(0) when using local caching resolvers (#233) · Issues · NetworkManager / NetworkManager · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2024-04-27 03:39:37	d3spair	Psi-Jack: thanks for helping
2024-04-27 05:01:27	noobaroo	Does anyone know why Chromium doesn't remember my last save location for images?
2024-04-27 05:04:27	edu4rdshl	Because it has bad memory
2024-04-27 05:05:03	edu4rdshl	Do you have portals setup properly?
2024-04-27 05:11:07	espresso	!give noobaroo aw XDG_Desktop_Portal
2024-04-27 05:11:08	phrik	noobaroo: XDG Desktop Portal - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_Desktop_Portal
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2024-04-27 14:21:45	ech0	https://paste.ech0.dev/scarcely-surely-fond-dove.txt
2024-04-27 14:21:55	ech0	getting this error when trying to compile to arm, any pointers?
2024-04-27 14:22:08	jelle	cross compile?
2024-04-27 14:41:00	ech0	yes
2024-04-27 14:41:13	ech0	64bit -> arm
2024-04-27 14:42:03	another|	this doesn't look like arm64
2024-04-27 14:43:40	ech0	nah, x86_64 -> arm
2024-04-27 14:43:42	ech0	sorry
2024-04-27 14:43:52	ech0	i figured it was package related
2024-04-27 14:44:21	ech0	specifically targeting arm64 but i dont think it matters for this
2024-04-27 14:49:33	jelle	my 2 cents are, try to compile on arm64  instead of the pain of cross compiling
2024-04-27 14:51:14	ech0	cant
2024-04-27 14:51:28	ech0	i'm not compiling for anything related to arch, but i think it's a package-related issue
2024-04-27 14:51:31	ech0	which is why i asked here
2024-04-27 14:51:46	astralc	pacman -F initypes.h
2024-04-27 14:52:01	astralc	see if one of them match the compiler
2024-04-27 14:52:12	astralc	* inttypes.h
2024-04-27 14:52:39	low-key	i recently switched from hyprland to sway and have been unable to get signal to launch from my launcher
2024-04-27 14:52:50	low-key	signal still launches fine from the terminal
2024-04-27 14:53:05	low-key	and even launches if i launch my launcher from the terminal and then launch signal
2024-04-27 14:53:14	low-key	i've tried anyrun and tofi as my launchers
2024-04-27 14:53:37	astralc	low-key: make sure you set the env correctly outside the terminal
2024-04-27 14:53:53	low-key	which env do i need to be setting?
2024-04-27 14:54:02	astralc	if terminal/not terminal is the difference
2024-04-27 14:54:07	ech0	astralc it doesn't output anything
2024-04-27 14:54:20	astralc	whatever you set to make it run?
2024-04-27 14:54:30	ech0	wdym
2024-04-27 14:54:34	astralc	ech0: pacman -Fy inttypes.h
2024-04-27 14:54:51	ech0	i ran that already cuz i didnt have any databases
2024-04-27 14:54:53	low-key	i simply run signal-desktop from the terminal and it runs
2024-04-27 14:55:11	low-key	i'm not even passing any flags when launching it from the terminal
2024-04-27 14:55:15	ech0	nvm i lied
2024-04-27 14:55:24	low-key	or when launching my launcher from the terminal and then launching signal from it
2024-04-27 14:55:34	low-key	it only fails to launch when i directly launch it from the launcher
2024-04-27 14:55:38	ech0	extra/arm-none-eabi-gcc 13.2.0-2 [installed]
2024-04-27 14:55:38	ech0	    usr/arm-none-eabi/include/c++/13.2.0/tr1/inttypes.h
2024-04-27 14:55:55	low-key	i launch my launcher with a keybinding set in my sway config
2024-04-27 14:55:59	ech0	i guess pass the -I to my compiler?
2024-04-27 14:56:07	low-key	set $menu tofi-drun | swaymsg exec --
2024-04-27 14:56:12	astralc	ech0: I also see there is extra/arm-none-eabi-newlib
2024-04-27 14:56:36	low-key	and then bindsym $mod+space exec $menu
2024-04-27 14:56:38	ech0	that did the trick
2024-04-27 14:57:00	low-key	so i'm confused about what i might be doing wrong
2024-04-27 14:57:01	ech0	tysm
2024-04-27 14:57:07	low-key	https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Desktop/issues/5719
2024-04-27 14:57:30	low-key	found this issue on github describing a problem that seems similar to mine but the flags people recommend there aren't working either
2024-04-27 14:58:26	astralc	low-key: check you shell startup files for special env/exports, and make sure you set them in a way sway can know
2024-04-27 14:58:44	low-key	ah, checking
2024-04-27 15:06:40	low-key	um, i don't seem to have anything like that
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2024-04-27 15:28:37	susi	run that tofi drun | swaymsg exec -- from a shell
2024-04-27 15:28:44	susi	nd see why it fails
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2024-04-27 17:24:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-27 17:23:56	shatter	Is there any reason why electron25 from AUR would pull in a 50GB java dependency? Is that expected?
2024-04-27 17:24:04	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-27 17:25:02	jelle	shatter: java?
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2024-04-27 17:25:27	jelle	shatter: what dependency?
2024-04-27 17:25:28	shatter	openjdk specificially
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2024-04-27 17:26:04	jelle	how is openjdk 50GB :)
2024-04-27 17:26:13	shatter	Your guess is as good as mine!
2024-04-27 17:26:22	jelle	shatter: show me some output then in a pastebin
2024-04-27 17:26:31	Scimmia	Installed Size:	469.9 MB
2024-04-27 17:26:35	shatter	I "fixed" it by removing electron25
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2024-04-27 17:27:00	shatter	let's see if I can get it to cause a problem again
2024-04-27 17:27:02	shatter	stand by
2024-04-27 17:27:06	jelle	maybe you meant that electron25 downloads 50GB of sourcecode
2024-04-27 17:27:13	shatter	Yes
2024-04-27 17:27:33	shatter	That part.
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2024-04-27 17:27:48	jelle	that is expected and not the same as java is 50GB
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2024-04-27 17:28:17	shatter	I see. Forgive my incorrect phrasing then.
2024-04-27 17:28:27	shatter	Why is that expected?
2024-04-27 17:28:31	jelle	you are downloading the source code of a whole browser
2024-04-27 17:28:55	BrainDamage	and likely the history too
2024-04-27 17:29:06	Namarrgon	Your aur-helper is confusing you
2024-04-27 17:29:19	rcf	Also consume hardware probably can't even build that with default options 
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2024-04-27 17:29:45	shatter	rcf: yeah, it failed to compile
2024-04-27 17:29:59	shatter	Namarrgon: yay likes to do that haha
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2024-04-27 17:31:35	shatter	After removing electron25, it synched and updated fine and didn't pull anything unnecessary
2024-04-27 17:31:42	shatter	shrug!
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2024-04-27 17:32:17	jelle	removing electron is always good :)
2024-04-27 17:32:32	shatter	I agree! haha!
2024-04-27 17:32:59	mpan	That creates ions.
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2024-04-27 17:34:01	shatter	What creates ions?
2024-04-27 17:34:36	rcf	mpan makes chemistry joke
2024-04-27 17:34:53	shatter	oh man
2024-04-27 17:34:54	BrainDamage	unfortunately, all the good ones Argon
2024-04-27 17:35:00	⚡ 	shatter pukes
2024-04-27 17:35:08	mpan	BrainDamage: :)
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2024-04-27 17:46:42	rsaavedra	Newbie question: How can I make my own aur package from an existing pip package? I don't want to --break-system-packages anymore
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2024-04-27 17:47:25	Namarrgon	You want to write a PKGBUILD, the aur doesn't matter.
2024-04-27 17:47:49	Namarrgon	The wiki has python packaging guidelines and for example you can look at the python-* PKGBUILDs in the repos.
2024-04-27 17:48:09	mpan	And for your own, single user you can just install it to your user. Avoiding all the PKGBUILD+makepkg issues.
2024-04-27 17:48:16	astralc	or just use pipx/venv?
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2024-04-27 17:49:10	astralc	mpan: this still can break module loading chain with some repo packages
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2024-04-27 17:49:26	mpan	Then venv, but you already mentioned that.
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2024-04-27 17:54:26	rsaavedra	astralc: I don't use pipx
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2024-04-27 17:57:07	rsaavedra	Namarrgon: True, I need to look at examples
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2024-04-27 18:09:33	docdrow	gcc > pipx
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2024-04-27 18:12:37	rsaavedra	So python-installer and python-setuptools are always dependencies for python- packages?
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2024-04-27 18:17:21	astralc	makedepends?
2024-04-27 18:17:30	rsaavedra	yes
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2024-04-27 18:18:38	astralc	I assume, as it used by python to build/run the setup (e.g. setup.py/pyproject.toml)
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2024-04-27 18:23:13	rsaavedra	makes sense
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2024-04-27 18:25:02	rsaavedra	I am afraid the package I want to build is closed source, so I cannot see the extra_requieres from setup.py ...
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2024-04-27 18:29:56	rsaavedra	and there are no distribution archives, so I guess it is not possible to make my own PKGBUILD for this one
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2024-04-27 18:30:45	rsaavedra	well, there is only .whl
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2024-04-27 19:11:02	aclark	Closed source?! :-)
2024-04-27 19:14:26	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-27 19:46:12	rsaavedra	I give up, the source is under a hash, and I couldn't find an alternative as suggested by https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Python_package_guidelines#Source
2024-04-27 19:46:14	phrik	Title: Python package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-27 20:25:15	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-27 20:26:23	astralc	pip install the wheel during the packaging phase, and remove uneeded files? or unzip the wheel and copy files manually?
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2024-04-27 20:32:15	bonob	I'm attempting to rebuild my AUR packages against python 3.12. For two of them (radian and pyton-rchitect), build is successful, but when installing the new packages, I get an 'invalid checksum' error, and I don't see what could be causing that.
2024-04-27 20:32:57	astralc	it is because you changed the package, but kept the version/pkgrel.
2024-04-27 20:33:20	astralc	remove it from cache (invalid checksum should ask for that) and reinstall
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2024-04-27 20:34:08	astralc	assuming I think about the error during pacman install
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2024-04-27 20:36:36	bonob	indeed, that was as simple as that, these two are good now.
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2024-04-27 20:38:59	bonob	I have another one which doesn't build, dupeguru, with error 'No module named imp'. I see this module was deprecated previously and planned to be removed in Python 3.12, my guess is that the issue should be reported upstream?
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2024-04-27 20:46:41	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-27 20:52:46	rsaavedra	I just did an update and now I am getting incorrect sudo password even when it is correct :|
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2024-04-27 20:54:13	susi	what `faillock' says
2024-04-27 20:54:23	teraflops	rsaavedra: faillock --user $USERNAME
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2024-04-27 20:55:52	rsaavedra	When                Type  Source                                           Valid
2024-04-27 20:56:08	rsaavedra	I was using paru, but with pacman with worked again
2024-04-27 20:56:11	rsaavedra	weird
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2024-04-27 20:59:46	susi	are you on some Arch derivative
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2024-04-27 21:00:02	ian|	has there been any packaging change recently that is causing me to see a lot of _._._-X patch bumps when updating
2024-04-27 21:00:17	teraflops	python rebuild
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2024-04-27 21:01:00	ian|	and that also affects packages with python optdepends?
2024-04-27 21:01:06	rsaavedra	susi: no, I use paru for the aur packages
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2024-04-27 21:01:51	ian|	for example gcc
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2024-04-27 21:02:05	ian|	err nvm
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2024-04-27 22:11:41	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-27 21:03:26	another|	hmm.. does someone have a status on ffmpeg 7 packaging?
2024-04-27 21:05:17	Warepire	bonob: If there isn't a pending patch set, sure, or if the fix is trivial and you have the interest/time, send a fix.
2024-04-27 21:18:53	tijko	Hello
2024-04-27 21:19:06	tijko	Having very weird audio issues
2024-04-27 21:19:34	tijko	I'm able to: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
2024-04-27 21:19:59	tijko	also: speaker-test -Dhw:0 -c3
2024-04-27 21:20:06	tijko	both get sound
2024-04-27 21:20:20	tijko	But aplay -l shows "no recognized cards"
2024-04-27 21:20:32	tijko	I ran lsmod | grep snd_hda_intel
2024-04-27 21:20:37	tijko	And the driver is loaded
2024-04-27 21:20:47	tijko	Even going through the pactl list
2024-04-27 21:20:52	tijko	shows the card
2024-04-27 21:21:09	tijko	but nothing plays out the speakers when using mplayer
2024-04-27 21:21:24	tijko	And cava doesn't detect any sound waves either.
2024-04-27 21:22:26	ian|	teraflops: some of the packages shrunk in total size, are they fast forwarded to the lastest commit as well?
2024-04-27 21:44:01	susi	is lastest even laster than the last :>
2024-04-27 22:02:26	morteza24	!paste
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2024-04-27 22:02:36	morteza24	!0x0
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2024-04-27 22:14:26	_ngn	hello, I am trying compile a simple gtk application, but it seems like the headers are broken in the gtk3 package, gtk-3.0/gtk/gtk.h tries to include gdk/gdk.h but it does not exist since they are installed under gtk-3.0 - is this a issue with the arch packaging?
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2024-04-27 22:18:01	mpan	_ngn: I believe no, seems like the package uses invalid includes (in partiular the -I).
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2024-04-27 22:20:50	_ngn	oh yeah you are right it was an issue with the compile flags
2024-04-27 22:20:56	mpan	`pkg-config --cflags gtk+-3.0` → -I/usr/include/gtk-3.0 -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/gdk-pixbuf-2.0 -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/harfbuzz -I/usr/include/libmount -I/usr/include/blkid -I/usr/include/sysprof-6 -pthread -I/usr/include/libpng16 -I/usr/include/pixman-1 
2024-04-27 22:21:03	mpan	-I/usr/include/cloudproviders -I/usr/include/at-spi2-atk/2.0 -I/usr/include/at-spi-2.0 -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/include/fribidi -I/usr/include/gio-unix-2.0
2024-04-27 22:22:11	_ngn	but there still is a problem, since the headers are broken my editor (neovim) fails to recognize symbols and the LSP throws bunch of errors
2024-04-27 22:22:25	mpan	(for that I can’t help, tho)
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2024-04-27 22:24:29	_ngn	ahh :/
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2024-04-27 23:17:21	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-27 22:33:42	mori	Hello
2024-04-27 22:42:23	n3m0256	sound is not working after an update, im using pipewire (wireplumber)
2024-04-27 22:42:53	mori	From where I live it is currently impossible to connect to tor with the default config. I have to use the tor project plugins like snowflake, lyrebird and meek, only meek is in the official repos, the rest of them are only available on AUR, and the package names are mostly messed up. Do arch devs have plans to add them to the repos as optional dependencies for tor?
2024-04-27 22:47:36	edu4rdshl	mori, why
2024-04-27 22:48:17	edu4rdshl	Also, if it's impossible to connect with the default config, change it?
2024-04-27 22:48:38	mpan	edu4rdshl: “default config” = directly to entry nodes, without bridges.
2024-04-27 22:48:48	n3m0256	can anyone help plz, I have mpd installed my sound card is detected in alsamixer but no sound output
2024-04-27 22:48:48	mpan	edu4rdshl: they are describing exactly that: changing it.
2024-04-27 22:49:06	mori	edu4rdshl, I mean connecting to relays is blocked
2024-04-27 22:52:17	mpan	mori: official packages are built if there is a maintainer, who is interested in supporting them. So there is really no “plans”.
2024-04-27 22:55:31	mpan	mori: note that, if you need it for TorBrowser, Snowflake and meek are already available built-in. See about:preferences#connection
2024-04-27 22:59:02	mpan	mori: which also means it comes with upstream-built transport client binaries. See “~/.local/share/torbrowser/tbb/x86_64/tor-browser/Browser/TorBrowser/Tor/PluggableTransports/”.
2024-04-27 23:02:31	mori	mpan, thanks. For now I only use the tor daemon as a proxy to access some websites to read news in Firefox, so that's why asked about the pluggable transports binaries
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2024-04-27 23:30:40	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-27 23:31:29	n3m0256	Can anyone help with my sound problem please?
2024-04-27 23:32:48	n3m0256	after a fresh boot if run amixer get Master it says unable to find simple Master... but when I run any video using mpv that error goes away but the sound still doesnt work
2024-04-27 23:33:07	n3m0256	I'm using pipewire (wireplumber)
2024-04-27 23:33:13	n3m0256	!paste
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2024-04-27 23:35:32	n3m0256	here is my `pactl info` output: https://termbin.com/jxgz
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2024-04-27 23:37:28	MasterOfDisaster	What does cat /proc/asound/cards say?
2024-04-27 23:37:50	MasterOfDisaster	Sounds like Alsa isn't yielding what it should.
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2024-04-27 23:38:57	n3m0256	it says HDA-Intel
2024-04-27 23:39:05	n3m0256	heres the output: https://termbin.com/tgp3
2024-04-27 23:39:26	MasterOfDisaster	it says "hdmi"...
2024-04-27 23:39:44	MasterOfDisaster	so output via graphics card - and that's the only detected card.
2024-04-27 23:40:02	susi	is there errors in journalctl -b -u pipewire-pulse (or systemctl status pipewire-pulse)
2024-04-27 23:40:40	n3m0256	susi: 'no entries'
2024-04-27 23:40:40	teraflops	n3m0256: are you sure it's not just muted in alsamixer?
2024-04-27 23:40:59	n3m0256	teraflops: nope its not muted
2024-04-27 23:41:18	susi	how come it says server is pulseaudio on pipewire, if pipewire-pulse ain't even running
2024-04-27 23:41:22	MasterOfDisaster	lspci, lsmod, grep -ri blacklist /etc/modprobe.d/
2024-04-27 23:41:48	MasterOfDisaster	What do those show?
2024-04-27 23:42:38	n3m0256	susi: i added --user now i have some output
2024-04-27 23:42:50	susi	yeah, my mistake, was just about to say
2024-04-27 23:43:00	susi	but I think no entries was from journalctl
2024-04-27 23:43:23	n3m0256	susi: heres the output from systemctl: https://termbin.com/f9yh
2024-04-27 23:43:28	MasterOfDisaster	as long as alsa doesn't think there's sound hardware, pulse/pipewire don't matter.
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2024-04-27 23:44:06	n3m0256	MasterOfDisaster: lspci: https://termbin.com/7hbq
2024-04-27 23:44:14	teraflops	uh macbook, which model?
2024-04-27 23:44:36	n3m0256	teraflops: macbook air 2013
2024-04-27 23:44:44	n3m0256	MasterOfDisaster: lsmod: https://termbin.com/l8dq
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2024-04-27 23:45:30	MasterOfDisaster	bah - lovely. Module is loaded, but it didn't find anything apparantly.
2024-04-27 23:47:10	MasterOfDisaster	journalctl -xe --grep snd_ should shed some light on it
2024-04-27 23:47:14	n3m0256	btw this happend after an update this morning
2024-04-27 23:47:27	MasterOfDisaster	yeah got it
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2024-04-27 23:47:49	teraflops	these rtkit errors are weird
2024-04-27 23:47:55	n3m0256	MasterOfDisaster: journalctl -xe --grep snd_ returns: https://termbin.com/zhws
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2024-04-27 23:48:24	teraflops	n3m0256: do you have rtkit package installed?
2024-04-27 23:48:45	n3m0256	teraflops: no i dont
2024-04-27 23:48:58	n3m0256	teraflops: should i install it?
2024-04-27 23:49:05	MasterOfDisaster	Did you mess with alsa module settings?
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2024-04-27 23:49:32	n3m0256	MasterOfDisaster: no I didn't right after an update sound just didnt work
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2024-04-27 23:50:46	susi	have you checked your .pacnews
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2024-04-27 23:51:00	susi	there might be something to merge
2024-04-27 23:51:27	n3m0256	susi: how do I do that?
2024-04-27 23:51:42	susi	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/pacman/Pacnew_and_Pacsave
2024-04-27 23:51:43	phrik	Title: pacman/Pacnew and Pacsave - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-27 23:56:33	n3m0256	susi: okay heres the .pacnews that I found: https://termbin.com/dzhh
2024-04-27 23:56:54	MasterOfDisaster	n3m0256: what alsa packages do you have installed? pacman -Qs alsa
2024-04-27 23:57:24	susi	you should deal with that pacman.conf.pacnew, see the differences in pacman.conf and .pacnew and merge them appropriately
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2024-04-27 23:58:49	n3m0256	MasterOfDisaster: alsa: https://termbin.com/gkj1
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2024-04-28 00:02:04	MasterOfDisaster	n3m0256: have a look at this: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/no-sound-with-snd-hda-intel-on-macbookair5-2/149494/4
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2024-04-28 00:02:06	phrik	Title: No sound with snd_hda_intel on macbookair5,2 - #4 by nikgnomic - Sound - Manjaro Linux Forum (at forum.manjaro.org)
2024-04-28 00:02:07	n3m0256	susi: okay I merged them and removed pacman.conf.pacnew
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2024-04-28 00:07:04	n3m0256	MasterOfDisaster: alright i'll try out what they said
2024-04-28 00:07:07	MasterOfDisaster	n3m0256: there's also https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Mac/Troubleshooting (see 8. Sound)
2024-04-28 00:07:09	phrik	Title: Mac/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-04-28 00:07:40	MasterOfDisaster	Which is more or less the same - figuring out the correct module parameters for snd_hda_intel
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2024-04-28 00:09:29	MasterOfDisaster	A few posts I encountered report more esoteric problems/solutions - dead sound hardware, it just bouncing back when wiping down contacts... - If nothing helps, verify that the device works with MacOS to rule out hardware issues.
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2024-04-28 00:10:43	n3m0256	MasterOfDisaster: but I dont understand how that got changed? maybe after the kernel update?
2024-04-28 00:10:47	teraflops	n3m0256: playing with mpv's --ao= makes any difference? and yes i have rtkit installed 
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2024-04-28 00:11:33	teraflops	n3m0256: also did hte computer wake up after suspend/hibernation? if yes did you reboot after that?
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2024-04-28 00:11:51	susi	sumthin's not rite when it source and sink are null in pactl output
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2024-04-28 00:12:52	n3m0256	teraflops: my macbook automatically shuts down cause I removed the battery it only runs on charger so i dont think theres any hibernation
2024-04-28 00:13:38	n3m0256	teraflops: and playing in mpv just removes the alsa not detecting thes sound card but no sound whatsover
2024-04-28 00:14:17	susi	also that --grep=snd seems weird, but I don't understand what it means
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2024-04-28 00:15:17	n3m0256	I'm on zen kernel i forgot to say
2024-04-28 00:16:04	n3m0256	is there a way to just rollback the last big update?
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2024-04-28 00:19:55	teraflops	n3m0256: you only have that kernel?
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2024-04-28 00:20:40	n3m0256	teraflops: yeah linux-zen from the first ever install after that just updates
2024-04-28 00:20:46	teraflops	n3m0256: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux_Archive
2024-04-28 00:20:47	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Archive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-28 00:21:16	teraflops	3.2 How to restore all packages to a specific date
2024-04-28 00:21:34	teraflops	but I have the feeling it wont fix the issue
2024-04-28 00:22:09	n3m0256	teraflops: okay well should i try it?
2024-04-28 00:22:17	teraflops	yeah give this a try
2024-04-28 00:22:30	teraflops	it wont hurt and can be reverted easily
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2024-04-28 00:22:56	n3m0256	alright ill do that, thanks
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2024-04-28 00:25:56	susi	maybe try a different kernel first
2024-04-28 00:26:16	susi	maybe an earlier zen that you used to have
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2024-04-28 00:28:54	n3m0256	well downgrading failed so many dependency conflicts...
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2024-04-28 00:29:30	makano	hi I'm trying to run a jar file and the interface isn't loading. can     │
2024-04-28 00:29:30	makano	               │                       someone help me figure out what dependency I'm missing? I tried with     │
2024-04-28 00:29:36	makano	               │                       _JAVA_AWT_WM_NONREPARENTING=1 and that didn't help 
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2024-04-28 00:30:44	n3m0256	susi: okay what if i switch to linux-lts?
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2024-04-28 00:31:06	makano	hi I'm trying to run a jar file and the interface isn't loading. can someone help me figure out what dependency I'm missing? I tried with _JAVA_AWT_WM_NONREPARENTING=1 and that didn't help
2024-04-28 00:31:07	n3m0256	susi: would that pose any other issues?
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2024-04-28 00:32:18	n3m0256	susi: ill try linux-lts and its headers i hope it boots after this
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2024-04-28 00:32:51	susi	I would try just the linux-zen version you had when things worked
2024-04-28 00:33:09	susi	I don't see why to complicate this
2024-04-28 00:33:35	n3m0256	susi: okay sure ill downgrade only the zen kernel
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2024-04-28 00:38:43	codebam	I've been trying to help makano but I have no idea how to continue. it was working on their previous arch installation. tried using strace but it didn't really help. here's an strace though https://r2.seanbehan.ca/0c3c7cf3-383f-4471-b516-bd952f088f7d
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2024-04-28 00:43:11	Namarrgon	Which wm/de is that?
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2024-04-28 00:43:30	codebam	they're using hyprland but the same happens on sway
2024-04-28 00:43:40	Namarrgon	Have you tried any x11 wm?
2024-04-28 00:43:53	Namarrgon	Is tlauncher known to work with jre22?
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2024-04-28 00:44:05	codebam	they're using jre17, and no I doubt it
2024-04-28 00:44:10	codebam	and no
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2024-04-28 00:44:43	Namarrgon	Where is that log from then? It shows 22.
2024-04-28 00:45:24	codebam	huh good point
2024-04-28 00:45:36	Namarrgon	There is also some nix nonsense in that log.
2024-04-28 00:45:59	codebam	it's nixos with distrobox
2024-04-28 00:46:22	Namarrgon	Why are we debugging nixos in #archlinux?
2024-04-28 00:46:53	codebam	uh... sorry
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2024-04-28 00:47:33	codebam	it's basically arch though. it's just a nix kernel, everything mounts the same way
2024-04-28 00:47:38	makano	well we were using arch in a distrobox
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2024-04-28 00:48:32	makano	and it worked in my previous clean arch before, but i don't know why it's not working, i thought maybe some dependencies but i am unsure as i installed every dependency i thought of
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2024-04-28 00:50:43	Namarrgon	You have a funny definition of "basically arch".
2024-04-28 00:50:56	Namarrgon	Arch is the host or the container?
2024-04-28 00:51:08	makano	The container...
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2024-04-28 00:51:30	Namarrgon	Does it work in any other containerized distro?
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2024-04-28 00:55:00	makano	Haven't tried yet
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2024-04-28 00:55:11	Plasmoduck	I done some updates lastnight. Now ueberzug is broken. Anyone else have the same experience?
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2024-04-28 00:55:30	Namarrgon	"broken"?
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2024-04-28 00:56:32	Plasmoduck	Well, it no longer displays images.
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2024-04-28 00:56:54	Plasmoduck	I was using it to show cover art in ncmpcpp and also image previews in lf.
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2024-04-28 00:57:17	Plasmoduck	Now there is just a blank space where the image should be.
2024-04-28 00:57:21	Namarrgon	Does it print any errors to the terminal or logs?
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2024-04-28 00:57:27	Plasmoduck	Nope
2024-04-28 00:57:42	Namarrgon	Did you rebuild all your unofficial packages after the python rebuild?
2024-04-28 00:57:53	Plasmoduck	The same thing happened to me last year. Then after some time.
2024-04-28 00:57:58	Plasmoduck	Nope.
2024-04-28 00:58:47	Plasmoduck	If I install ueberzugpp from the AUR it works again for lf, but not ncmpcpp.
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2024-04-28 00:59:11	gromit	I think it was not rebuilt for python3.12
2024-04-28 00:59:29	Namarrgon	ls -ld /usr/lib/python*
2024-04-28 00:59:33	Plasmoduck	what was not rebuilt?
2024-04-28 01:00:00	gromit	Ah no it was, so idk 
2024-04-28 01:00:10	Plasmoduck	3.11 3.12
2024-04-28 01:00:22	Namarrgon	Which packages own the 3.11 dir?
2024-04-28 01:00:32	Plasmoduck	How to see?
2024-04-28 01:00:48	Namarrgon	pacman -Qo /usr/lib/python3.11
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2024-04-28 01:01:06	Plasmoduck	Also qbittorrentui has stopped working too. It's a python torrent client.
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2024-04-28 01:01:27	Plasmoduck	arandr 0.1.11-2
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2024-04-28 01:02:01	Plasmoduck	/usr/lib/python3.11/ is owned by arandr 0.1.11-2
2024-04-28 01:02:11	Namarrgon	That doesn't seem related but you want to rebuild that anyway.
2024-04-28 01:02:31	Scimmia	that's a repo package. You're doing partial updates
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2024-04-28 01:03:29	Plasmoduck	I rebuilt it
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2024-04-28 01:03:54	Namarrgon	Is this arch linux or some spin?
2024-04-28 01:04:06	Namarrgon	extra/arandr is at pkgrel -3
2024-04-28 01:04:25	Namarrgon	Partial upgrades are a big NONO here.
2024-04-28 01:04:57	Plasmoduck	It's archcraft
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2024-04-28 01:05:17	Namarrgon	Then please use their support channels, we don't support spins.
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2024-04-28 01:05:43	Plasmoduck	Thanks
2024-04-28 01:05:57	makano	a beginner question, but how do i find my current time locale?
2024-04-28 01:06:14	Namarrgon	"time locale"?
2024-04-28 01:06:20	Namarrgon	timezone?
2024-04-28 01:06:22	makano	yeah
2024-04-28 01:06:31	makano	i knew you'd point that out lol
2024-04-28 01:06:49	Namarrgon	ls -l /etc/localtime
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2024-04-28 01:08:03	makano	thanks
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2024-04-28 01:48:42	tijko	well I solved my cmake issue and my audio issue
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2024-04-28 01:48:51	tijko	I guess I come here for moral support
2024-04-28 01:49:52	tijko	Anybody notice how poor performance Firefox has had lately or is it just me?
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2024-04-28 10:38:10	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-28 10:38:11	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1446 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1445 regular)
2024-04-28 02:33:02	jenia2	Hello. I get errors such as `Use of undeclared identifier 'NULL'`
2024-04-28 02:34:07	jenia2	when reading a C program. What libraries do I need to install?
2024-04-28 02:34:20	jenia2	when programming in C in archlinux
2024-04-28 02:35:08	Namarrgon	Did you write that code?
2024-04-28 02:35:50	jenia2	I did not have glibc installed
2024-04-28 02:35:53	jenia2	is that possible?
2024-04-28 02:36:01	Namarrgon	Then your system wouldn't work.
2024-04-28 02:36:14	Namarrgon	No, it's not possible.
2024-04-28 02:36:29	jenia2	Packages (1) glibc-2.39-2
2024-04-28 02:36:30	jenia2	Total Installed Size:  47.27 MiB
2024-04-28 02:36:30	jenia2	Net Upgrade Size:       0.00 MiB
2024-04-28 02:39:37	jenia2	Namarrgon: no I did not write it. NULL is provided by default I was told so I think I need to install all the C developer toolchain
2024-04-28 02:40:17	Namarrgon	No, NULL is not a built-in, you have to either define it yourself or use a library that does that for you.
2024-04-28 02:42:52	jenia2	oh ok. thanks!
2024-04-28 02:43:51	jenia2	Namarrgon you're the biggest Archlinux specialist I know. Thank you kindly for all hte help over the years!!
2024-04-28 02:44:37	jenia2	and C knowledgeable person as well on top of that
2024-04-28 02:50:06	Namarrgon	I'm just very good at using google.
2024-04-28 02:50:13	cloudowind	:)
2024-04-28 03:11:58	virtualsid	Namarrgon: hehe. That was something we called ourselves, when I was working as support person at one of the big clouds - 'search as a service' ;)
2024-04-28 04:38:56	bluetail	SaaS
2024-04-28 04:42:09	Gnana	Sass
2024-04-28 04:42:17	Gnana	bluetail:That's sasy 
2024-04-28 05:36:19	matheusmoreira	after the latest kernel update, sway has begun crashing randomly when I open a video with mpv. It crashes, mpv apparently chooses kms mode and takes over the vt, and the keyboard no longer works. anyone experienced anything similar? intel cpu/gpu, all open source drivers.
2024-04-28 05:39:12	codebam	try setting gpu-context=wayland in mpv.conf?
2024-04-28 05:43:03	matheusmoreira	i'll try #sway
2024-04-28 06:03:20	mefistofeles	Psi-Jack: dmesg?
2024-04-28 06:04:42	kode54	Psi-Jack: are you using libratbag/piper to configure it?
2024-04-28 06:05:17	kode54	is your user in the plugdev group?
2024-04-28 06:06:33	kode54	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Logitech_Unifying_Receiver
2024-04-28 06:06:34	phrik	Title: Logitech Unifying Receiver - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-28 06:06:42	kode54	says you need that group for solaar
2024-04-28 06:07:07	kode54	or running the app as root
2024-04-28 06:18:51	mefistofeles	why is that that dkms install part of installing the nvidia drivers take so long now?
2024-04-28 06:22:12	Scimmia	mefistofeles: nvidia-open?
2024-04-28 06:22:18	mefistofeles	I'm also getting time="2024-04-28T00:21:42-04:00" level=error msg="failed to generate CDI spec: failed to create device CDI specs: failed to initialize NVML: ERROR_LIB_RM_VERSION_MISMATCH"
2024-04-28 06:22:30	mefistofeles	Scimmia: no, nvidia-dkms
2024-04-28 06:22:57	Scimmia	that generally shouldn't take long as it's not doing much
2024-04-28 06:23:50	mefistofeles	Scimmia: I saw it's compiling something with gcc, I think that's the part that takes the most
2024-04-28 06:24:08	Scimmia	right, that's the whole point of dkms
2024-04-28 06:24:58	mefistofeles	22m55s 
2024-04-28 06:25:01	mefistofeles	for Syu
2024-04-28 06:25:37	mefistofeles	I know that depends on other things, but just in case 
2024-04-28 06:25:41	Scimmia	something's def not right there
2024-04-28 06:27:06	⚡ 	mefistofeles shrugs
2024-04-28 06:41:01	low-key	why does the arch package for waybar come without the cava module?
2024-04-28 06:41:11	Gnana	whats cava
2024-04-28 06:41:24	low-key	it's a audio visualiser 
2024-04-28 07:06:49	low-key	it needs to be built with -Dcava=enabled
2024-04-28 07:06:59	low-key	just wondering if there's any issue or if it was overlooked
2024-04-28 07:09:37	sunyibo	is everybody on holidays? No updates in pacman for days. Or is my pacman sick?
2024-04-28 07:10:36	sheep	your mirror might be out of date or may be retired. Check its status on https://archlinux.org/mirrors/status/
2024-04-28 07:38:28	low-key	ah, thanks :)
2024-04-28 08:50:58	james2410	im installing ARCH for the 7th time now, i installed intel-ucode, and now want to install systemd bootloader? do i need to do anything except adding an entry to boot loader entries?
2024-04-28 08:53:58	james2410	ok
2024-04-28 08:58:47	james2410	after doing "bootctl install", ive got this weird warning "Mount point '/boot' which backs the random seed file is world accessible, which is a security hole"
2024-04-28 08:59:51	james2410	how do i do that?
2024-04-28 09:02:17	james2410	can it be because i gave the user access to wheel,storage,power ??
2024-04-28 09:12:49	james2410	it says there's no such file
2024-04-28 09:14:38	virtualsid	to what file?
2024-04-28 09:19:28	james2410	can i install graphics card drivers later or do i have to do it now??
2024-04-28 09:20:00	james2410	i have builtin intel gpu
2024-04-28 09:20:12	virtualsid	from my experience, you should be able to do it later too.
2024-04-28 09:22:16	edu4rdshl	Hello, I have a question. Docker Desktop is a electron app, and I want to run it under wayland instead of xwayland on my machine. It's usually done adding the following flags to electron apps: --enable-features=UseOzonePlatform,WaylandWindowDecorations --ozone-platform=wayland, however, I do not see where should I set these options for that specific app as it seems to ignored.
2024-04-28 09:22:38	edu4rdshl	When I add them to /opt/docker-desktop/bin/docker-desktop arguments, nothing happens and the app is launched under Xwayland. Has anyone got it working?
2024-04-28 10:08:09	james2410_	im gonna use hyprland window manager, should i install x server or wayland or both?
2024-04-28 10:33:08	kode54	NetSysFire: doesn't that change also require mount permission changes?
2024-04-28 10:34:03	kode54	what if /boot is vfat?
2024-04-28 10:35:22	kode54	that would make /boot world readable unless you edit the mount parameters
2024-04-28 10:35:55	james2410_	every time i start my sytem i get stuck at this thing "a start job is runnig for a/sys/subsytem/net/devices/wlan0"
2024-04-28 10:36:08	kode54	vfat supports per file permissions?
2024-04-28 10:36:22	kode54	let me check
2024-04-28 10:36:43	kode54	it does not
2024-04-28 10:37:26	kode54	fstab generator produced: rw,noatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=ascii,shortname=mixed,utf8,errors=remount-ro
2024-04-28 10:37:35	kode54	change fmask and dmask to 0077
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2024-04-28 10:38:36	kode54	that will render permissions as 700
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2024-04-28 10:43:29	kode54	the funny thing is
2024-04-28 10:43:35	kode54	the permissions are also wrong in some packages
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2024-04-28 10:44:03	kode54	the qemu package regularly complains that filesystem permissions, which are 710 for the TPM folders, should be 755 like the package
2024-04-28 10:44:26	kode54	perhaps
2024-04-28 10:44:30	kode54	maybe another time
2024-04-28 10:44:38	kode54	I need sleep now, it's bed time
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2024-04-28 11:14:01	zelhar	hello
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2024-04-28 11:14:39	zelhar	after updating today, zfs and nvidia dkms modules stopped working.
2024-04-28 11:15:08	zelhar	something in the line of "arch 6.8.7 error missing kernel modules tree nvidia zfs"
2024-04-28 11:15:28	zelhar	is it just me or something wrong with the latest update?
2024-04-28 11:16:52	snoriman	hey! I'm trying to add an new domain a certbot based certificate. This works fine but somewhere along the ways something went wrong and I'm not sure how to deal with this. The thing is, whenever I need to add a domain to an existing entry, it creates a new directory in `/etc/letsencrypt/live/{cert-name}-0002/`. I would like to keep using the same directory: `/etc/letsencrypt/live/{cert-name}/`.
2024-04-28 11:16:54	snoriman	Or this is just how it works?
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2024-04-28 11:27:08	zelhar	hello again sorry got disconnected
2024-04-28 11:27:32	zelhar	is there a problem with dkms modules after upgrade?
2024-04-28 11:28:36	Scimmia	zelhar: no
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2024-04-28 14:04:47	aaro	snoriman: use the command 'certbot certonly' with the option --cert-name
2024-04-28 14:05:12	snoriman	aaro: thanks! ah the first time I used it I indeed didn't use the --cert-name
2024-04-28 14:05:44	snoriman	aaro: but do you mean that I can run `certbot certonly` with `--cert-name {name}` AND `--expand`, also for the first time?
2024-04-28 14:08:13	aaro	like 'certbot certonly --cert-name your_cert_name -d your_domain_name,your_additional_domain_name '
2024-04-28 14:09:31	aaro	expand is iimplicit with -d option with additional domains
2024-04-28 14:12:30	snoriman	okay thanks
2024-04-28 14:14:46	aaro	you can get the cert name with 'certbot certificates'
2024-04-28 14:32:18	Th3Mafia	Is there a page that talks more about expectations, how technical the testing needs to be (I am no developer), etc. for the AT-Team?
2024-04-28 14:34:24	Namarrgon	Testing the things you usually do with the project is usually good enough but the more you can cover the better.
2024-04-28 15:14:57	KDDLB	is there a way for btrfs to prioritize a block device in a multi-device file system?
2024-04-28 15:31:16	edgy	Hi, Currently I have the 6.8.7-arch1-2 kernel so I wonder why I still have this initrd file and whether I should remove it manually: pacman -Qo /lib/modules/6.2.10-arch1-1/initrd
2024-04-28 15:31:17	edgy	error: No package owns /lib/modules/6.2.10-arch1-1/initrd
2024-04-28 15:32:15	Scimmia	Wonder where that came from in the fceirst pla
2024-04-28 15:32:19	Scimmia	first place
2024-04-28 15:32:34	Scimmia	yes, I would remove it
2024-04-28 15:32:56	Scimmia	what are you using to generate the initramfs?
2024-04-28 15:33:10	Scimmia	or rather, what were you at the time of that kernel
2024-04-28 15:33:35	edgy	Scimmia: I don't know, I should be using arch default
2024-04-28 15:34:38	edgy	Scimmia: which is I guess mkinitcpio but i have dracut installed but not the default
2024-04-28 15:36:22	Scimmia	were you doing anything with UKIs or something like that?
2024-04-28 15:36:35	Scimmia	this would have been April last year
2024-04-28 15:36:37	edgy	Scimmia: I don't even know what's UKI, so definitely not
2024-04-28 15:36:55	Namarrgon	What is in that image?
2024-04-28 15:37:01	edgy	Scimmia: your guess is very accurate, the file timestamp is indeed april last year, what's that?
2024-04-28 15:38:27	edgy	Namarrgon: unfortunately, I now removed it ;)
2024-04-28 15:39:18	edgy	anyway, thanks a lot, since it's not important, I don't care a lot about it, now there is another issue ;)
2024-04-28 15:39:32	edgy	sudo sysdig
2024-04-28 15:39:34	edgy	Unable to load the driver. error opening device /dev/scap0. Make sure you have root credentials and that the scap module is loaded: No such file or directory
2024-04-28 15:39:43	edgy	is this an arch bug?
2024-04-28 15:39:46	Scimmia	!give edgy kernelcheck
2024-04-28 15:39:46	phrik	edgy: compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2024-04-28 15:41:12	edgy	Scimmia: > uname -r; pacman -Q linux; file /boot/vmlinuz-linux
2024-04-28 15:41:14	edgy	6.8.7-arch1-2
2024-04-28 15:41:16	edgy	linux 6.8.7.arch1-2
2024-04-28 15:41:17	edgy	/boot/vmlinuz-linux: Linux kernel x86 boot executable bzImage, version 6.8.7-arch1-2 (linux@archlinux) #1 SMP
2024-04-28 15:43:11	Scimmia	is scap out of tree?
2024-04-28 15:43:48	edgy	Scimmia: how can I check?
2024-04-28 15:43:55	Scimmia	ah, it is
2024-04-28 15:44:42	Scimmia	from the sysdig package: sysdig-dkms (optional) - kernel module for live inspection
2024-04-28 15:45:00	Scimmia	do you have this, and did it successfully build on install?
2024-04-28 15:45:34	edgy	Scimmia: no I removed that package recently, is it important?
2024-04-28 15:45:49	Scimmia	if you want to do live inspection, yes
2024-04-28 15:46:40	edgy	Scimmia: ok installed it now but still same issue
2024-04-28 15:46:52	Scimmia	and did it build the module?
2024-04-28 15:47:48	edgy	Scimmia: yes, let me paste the full output
2024-04-28 15:47:53	edgy	Scimmia: do I need to reboot?
2024-04-28 15:48:05	Scimmia	no
2024-04-28 15:48:29	Scimmia	you may need to modprobe the module manually, though
2024-04-28 15:49:41	edgy	Scimmia: Umm! nthere is an error I don't understand, here is the output: https://termbin.com/80bx
2024-04-28 15:49:57	edgy	Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 6.8.7-arch1-2 (x86_64)
2024-04-28 15:51:00	Scimmia	we'll need the log it mentions to see why
2024-04-28 15:52:29	edgy	Scimmia: https://termbin.com/5f87
2024-04-28 15:53:10	Scimmia	error: implicit declaration of function ‘strlcpy’; did you mean ‘strscpy’?
2024-04-28 15:53:27	Scimmia	it's not compatible with the 6.8+ kernel
2024-04-28 15:53:50	omen	half of my AI packages are broken after python3.12 upgrade I believe
2024-04-28 15:54:07	edgy	Scimmia: so it's an upstream bug?
2024-04-28 15:54:12	Scimmia	yes
2024-04-28 15:54:16	omen	sorry that is not a question. I need some time to relax
2024-04-28 15:54:35	Scimmia	omen: did you rebuild them against the new version?
2024-04-28 15:54:53	edgy	Scimmia: thanks for your help
2024-04-28 15:54:58	teraflops	omen: you have to rebuild them as Scimmia suggested
2024-04-28 15:55:02	omen	you don't build python, it's interpreted
2024-04-28 15:55:10	omen	okay, thanks
2024-04-28 15:55:11	Scimmia	omen: to a point
2024-04-28 15:55:22	Scimmia	It's also installed in specifically versioned dirs
2024-04-28 15:55:48	teraflops	I only had one, whisper, that I had to rebuild in order to get it to work 
2024-04-28 15:56:39	omen	i deleted the venv folder and can't reinstall requirements because version is not supported
2024-04-28 16:00:24	Scimmia	omen: then you're going to have to https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Python/Virtual_environment#Python_versions
2024-04-28 16:00:26	phrik	Title: Python/Virtual environment - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-28 16:00:57	Scimmia	after building/installing a different version alongside the standard Arch package
2024-04-28 16:01:47	omen	yea. So I should install python311 (and deps) from aur?
2024-04-28 16:02:10	Scimmia	that should work, yes
2024-04-28 16:05:15	Scimmia	edgy: https://github.com/falcosecurity/libs/commit/350208fac72a72d5e95dca0363ec52b018d40d84 fixed upstream already
2024-04-28 16:06:05	edgy	Scimmia: aha! Thanks a lot
2024-04-28 16:08:13	edgy	I read somewhere that arch installer now can increase EFI size to 1G, I am facing this problem currently that I sometimes get a message my boot part is full, but how can arch installer fix this issue when the windows partition is after the EFI partition, would it resize it or what? any documentation or to handle this after the install
2024-04-28 16:14:58	Namarrgon	It can't fix an existing setup.
2024-04-28 16:20:39	edgy	Namarrgon: and for the new setup what will it do?
2024-04-28 16:21:11	omen	thanks for help, got it working
2024-04-28 16:21:46	Scimmia	does archinstall even work with Windows dual boot systems?
2024-04-28 16:24:12	Namarrgon	edgy: No, it will not resize existing partitions.
2024-04-28 16:26:09	edgy	Namarrgon: If it will not resize existing partition how can it make the current EFI larger? normally, laptops come with an EFI (<250MB) followed by a windows part that fill the whole disk
2024-04-28 16:26:27	Namarrgon	It won't.
2024-04-28 16:26:43	Namarrgon	Where are you getting your information from?
2024-04-28 16:33:35	edgy	Namarrgon: this is what I thought my laptops look like, enlighten me please
2024-04-28 16:34:33	Namarrgon	I'm not sure which part of "it does not resize your ESP" is unclear to you.
2024-04-28 16:38:02	edgy	Namarrgon: when I read it increases the ESP on this link, i thought increase means resize: https://9to5linux.com/arch-linux-installer-archinstall-2-8-increase-esp-size-to-1-gib-fixes-more-bugs
2024-04-28 16:38:03	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Installer Archinstall 2.8 Increases ESP Size to 1 GiB, Fixes More Bugs - 9to5Linux (at 9to5linux.com)
2024-04-28 16:38:58	BrainDamage	that's why you cannot trust blog  posts, it refers to the default value
2024-04-28 16:39:47	teraflops	that says increase not resize
2024-04-28 16:40:41	Namarrgon	edgy: That is about new installs, it will now create a larger partition for the ESP than before.
2024-04-28 16:40:43	teraflops	maybe when cerating a new ESP is now iGB size
2024-04-28 16:41:08	teraflops	yeah that
2024-04-28 16:41:12	Namarrgon	https://github.com/archlinux/archinstall/pull/2401
2024-04-28 16:42:15	edgy	Namarrgon: then may be I am confused because I haven't used archinstall to *create* a new ESP, I thought it would always use the existing ESP
2024-04-28 16:42:43	Namarrgon	It's not going to resize the existing ESP. Nowhere does it say that.
2024-04-28 16:42:58	BrainDamage	the default value is applied when you use it to create one
2024-04-28 16:45:26	edgy	Namarrgon: thanks a lot, clear now
2024-04-28 17:00:45	throstur	I am getting a ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'i3pystatus' after the latest upgrade, but `i3pystatus-git` is installed from AUR, what did I miss?
2024-04-28 17:01:13	Warepire	throstur: Did you rebuild it?
2024-04-28 17:01:18	gromit	throstur: python was updated to python 3.12 so you have to rebuild your python modules installed from the AUR
2024-04-28 17:01:40	throstur	ah, I didn't do that! How do I do that?
2024-04-28 17:03:00	Warepire	Maybe not the most correct way, but I usually just do makepkg -sif
2024-04-28 17:03:15	Warepire	(on -git packages)
2024-04-28 17:06:27	throstur	I see that aurutils actually has a --rebuild flag for aur-sync, that's useful! but how do I find "all packages that need to be rebuilt"?
2024-04-28 17:07:40	throstur	also, a bunch of tests are failing on no module named 'imp', which seems to be deprecated... do I mark the package out of date in the AUR or what?
2024-04-28 17:08:07	Scimmia	pacman -Qo /usr/lib/python3.11/ is a good start
2024-04-28 17:08:36	Warepire	throstur: If the package version on AUR depends on imp, yes.
2024-04-28 17:09:10	Warepire	since it was a core module, it will not be visible in the depends lists
2024-04-28 17:10:13	throstur	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/i3pystatus-git the 'fix' already commented by grazzolini, how do I do this manually?
2024-04-28 17:10:17	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - i3pystatus-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-04-28 17:11:23	Warepire	throstur: You can download the github pull request as a patch. Clone the AUR package git repo, modify the PKGBUILD to incldue the patch you grabbed, and then build.
2024-04-28 17:12:55	andril	hello all
2024-04-28 17:16:56	throstur	thank you Warepire, the provided instructions were concise and clear and I have resolved the issue!
2024-04-28 17:17:44	Warepire	Woo! no problem.
2024-04-28 18:32:24	nani	I've got a networking issue...I purchased an rj45 to usb dongle (based on ASIX AX88179). It is detected, and I can connect to the internet using it. However, no connection (including DHCP) is successful unless Wireshark is actively recording on that interface.
2024-04-28 18:32:51	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-28 18:32:51	nani	As soon as I press "Stop capturing packets," the dongle stops working.
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2024-04-28 18:34:36	nani	My guess is this has something to do with promiscuous mode
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2024-04-28 18:46:17	teraflops	nani: keep the journal open when doing the wireshark stuff to see whether something useful is shown there
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2024-04-28 18:47:45	nani	I see this: kernel: "cdc_ncm 2-2:2.0 eth1: left promiscuous mode" "kernel: cdc_ncm 2-2:2.0 eth1: entered promiscuous mode"
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2024-04-28 18:54:01	Murray7501	nani: are you running a sniffer ? tcpdump/wireshark ?
2024-04-28 18:54:41	Murray7501	oh I see nevermind :)
2024-04-28 18:56:21	Murray7501	nani: that is weird, it should work fine as long as you assign an ip address to it and stuff
2024-04-28 18:56:48	nani	Unfortunately, unless it is in promiscuous mode, DHCP also does not work.
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2024-04-28 18:59:13	Murray7501	nani: if you do ifconfig it does have a hardware mac address right ?
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2024-04-28 19:02:29	Warepire	nani: There was a bug with mac address that ended up in the 6.8.x kernels after some other fixes to the driver. It was fixed in 6.8.8 tagged yesterday
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2024-04-28 19:03:30	Warepire	Once it's out of testing, your adapter should work: https://archlinux.org/packages/core-testing/x86_64/linux/
2024-04-28 19:03:32	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - linux 6.8.8.arch1-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-28 19:04:03	Warepire	(the device can end up with the mac address unset or wrong)
2024-04-28 19:04:51	nani	Warepire: So that was a known bug that was fixed?
2024-04-28 19:04:58	Warepire	Yep
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2024-04-28 19:05:14	Warepire	Linux 6.8.8 should have the fix included
2024-04-28 19:05:23	nani	The MAC address in ifconfig matches what Wireshark shows packets being directed to
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2024-04-28 19:07:18	Warepire	https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/commit/drivers/net/usb/ax88179_178a.c?h=linux-6.8.y&id=928b23af4d8bc0468934d4a871b7d83b685a024d
2024-04-28 19:07:19	phrik	Title: net: usb: ax88179_178a: avoid writing the mac address before first reading - kernel/git/stable/linux.git - Linux kernel stable tree (at git.kernel.org)
2024-04-28 19:07:21	another|	(ifconfig/net-tools are deprecated)
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2024-04-28 19:08:17	Warepire	Wireshark still seeing the packets could mean that the adapter in promiscous mode accepts packets it otherwise wouldn't due to MAC address problems
2024-04-28 19:08:40	nani	Ah...So even though the kernel knows that is the correct MAC, the adapter doesn't?
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2024-04-28 19:09:37	Warepire	It's a possibility (I have seen some dumb stuff USB dongles do)
2024-04-28 19:09:49	travisghansen	Anyone around here ever made an iot style firmware image using arch as a base? I’d like to create full images as initrd/squashfs/whatever with a/b approach or something using bootloader. I have a few services that would need to store state (including network manager).
2024-04-28 19:10:05	Murray7501	apparently arch repos don't have kernel 6.8.8 yet
2024-04-28 19:10:07	Warepire	If it's still broken after that kernel update, further research could be needed.
2024-04-28 19:10:22	Warepire	Murray7501: It's in testing, hopefully released soon (tm)
2024-04-28 19:10:32	Murray7501	Warepire: oh nice :)
2024-04-28 19:10:34	nani	Warepire: Thanks. It's in the repository, so I'll just do a custom build for now.
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2024-04-28 23:50:08	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-28 23:50:08	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1465 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1464 regular)
2024-04-28 19:49:36	jl2	Hi, is there a way to listen for volume changes in pipewire?
2024-04-28 19:50:24	jl2	or, if not, is there a more efficient way than polling the volume periodically?
2024-04-28 19:54:56	jl2	Should I open a issue at wireplumber? I think this is functionality it should provide
2024-04-28 20:19:49	nani	Warepire: The kernel upgrade did not help. However, when I set 802-3-ethernet.cloned-mac-address to the address reported in dmesg, it started working. This card can't handle using a different MAC address, I guess.
2024-04-28 20:20:25	nani	The setting was in the network manager connection
2024-04-28 20:21:05	Warepire	nani: Seems like you have an odd device, that should not be needed. Could you paste your dmesg?
2024-04-28 20:22:46	nani	Where is the pastebin for this channel?
2024-04-28 20:22:57	Warepire	!give nani paste
2024-04-28 20:22:58	phrik	nani: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-28 20:26:06	nani	Warepire: http://0x0.st/XHIl.txt
2024-04-28 20:27:17	Warepire	VID/PID?
2024-04-28 20:28:07	nani	Sorry, I missed the first two lines. "idVendor=0b95, idProduct=1790, bcdDevice= 2.00"
2024-04-28 20:32:38	Warepire	Sounds like something is still broken with the fixes that have been going on with this driver. If you're able to, I'd suggest responding to this mailchain with your problems: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-usb/171345962745.29083.15641493659556059187.git-patchwork-notify@kernel.org/T/#t (click the reply link for instructions on how to respond)
2024-04-28 20:32:38	phrik	Title: [PATCH v2] net: usb: ax88179_178a: avoid writing the mac address before first reading (at lore.kernel.org)
2024-04-28 20:37:27	nani	Warepire: I've never been on one of these mailing lists before, is there anything I should know about before replying?
2024-04-28 20:38:36	Warepire	nani: Plain text e-mail (not HTML), reply inline / bottom. And avoid corporate "this is for specific recipients only..." legal stuff. Use your real name if you can.
2024-04-28 20:44:02	nani	Is there any other information I should include?
2024-04-28 20:44:48	Warepire	uname -a, all the dmesg you can, what you needed to do in NetworkManager for the device to start working. Name of the device and model if different from what the kernel reported.
2024-04-28 20:45:00	n3m0256	hi guys, so i reinstalled an old kernel then i had a kernel panic i forgot to downgrade other packages anyways now im back with the sound problem im on pipewire
2024-04-28 20:45:38	n3m0256	My question is How do I change to pulseaudio maybe pulse will fix my sound problem
2024-04-28 20:45:50	gromit	nani: you could also reference the patchset that Arch applies on top of the stable kernel: https://github.com/archlinux/linux/releases/tag/v6.8.8-arch1
2024-04-28 20:46:10	gromit	This is interesting for the devs in order to not worry about it being a distribution patch problem
2024-04-28 20:47:51	susi	n3m0256: your panic probably wasn't about other packages
2024-04-28 20:48:08	nani	gromit: Ok, I did a build of the hardened one, so I'll link that Github too
2024-04-28 20:48:42	gromit	nani: did you already verify that the bug is also present with the non-hardened kernel? 
2024-04-28 20:48:56	nani	I had the problem on the non-hardened 6.8.7
2024-04-28 20:49:37	Warepire	Probably best to double check on the non-hardend 6.8.8, the hardend kernel changes a lot of stuff.
2024-04-28 20:49:39	n3m0256	susi: hi susi, i forgot to downgrade linux-headers lol
2024-04-28 20:50:15	nani	Warepire: Ok, I'll build and test that one before submitting
2024-04-28 20:52:26	susi	n3m0256: do you have some dkms stuff?
2024-04-28 20:52:36	susi	those headers aren't often needed
2024-04-28 20:53:46	n3m0256	susi: yeah wifi driver uses dkms
2024-04-28 21:01:30	n3m0256	susi: do you think my sound problem would be fixed if i switch to pulseaudio?
2024-04-28 21:03:10	Jhlorn	No.
2024-04-28 21:03:49	susi	no
2024-04-28 21:04:05	n3m0256	susi: alright :(
2024-04-28 21:05:17	susi	I think it seemed like more low level issue in the logs, if I remember them correctly
2024-04-28 21:06:27	n3m0256	susi: okay well ill do a fresh install whenever I'm able to, thanks so much guys
2024-04-28 22:37:13	uncle_rae	hello
2024-04-28 22:38:42	gromit	!give uncle_rae welcome 
2024-04-28 22:38:44	phrik	uncle_rae: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2024-04-28 22:40:45	uncle_rae	i need to get in contact with the maintainer of profanity, or figure out how to build from source to include libqrencode
2024-04-28 22:46:34	Scimmia	!give uncle_rae abs
2024-04-28 22:46:34	phrik	uncle_rae: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Build_System
2024-04-28 22:49:40	gromit	uncle_rae: you can register in gitlab and create a Merge Request with the added flag
2024-04-28 22:50:04	uncle_rae	 ok, one step at a time...
2024-04-28 22:50:04	gromit	Alternatively you can also just describe your feature request in a bug report and it will be labeled as feature request
2024-04-28 23:09:48	ecd	Hi folks, I'm having some trouble getting Arch set up on my machine, particularly sorting out my GRUB install. I noticed on the Wiki's installation guide it suggests mounting my uefi partition at /mnt/boot and not /mnt/boot/efi (or similar). Does the uefi partition need the initramfs*.img (etc), or is that a red herring?
2024-04-28 23:12:36	ecd	(I've set up my uefi install with grub, but when I try to boot it seems my machine doesn't find any bootable disks, so I'm backtracking to figure out where I went wrong)
2024-04-28 23:33:25	Scimmia	edu4rdshl: it doesn't need to be /boot is simply a suggestion
2024-04-28 23:33:55	Scimmia	er, ecd^
2024-04-28 23:33:59	mefistofeles	!tabfail
2024-04-28 23:33:59	phrik	 0  days since the last tab failure. Completion safety is our union goal!
2024-04-28 23:35:05	ecd	hmm, alright, I'm going back through the setup from scratch right now
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2024-04-29 00:29:17	kode54	I think? not sure
2024-04-29 00:29:21	kode54	read the wiki links in that topic
2024-04-29 00:29:29	kode54	been too long since I used grub
2024-04-29 00:29:55	Scimmia	kode54: yeah, that's what --removable does
2024-04-29 00:30:01	ecd	yeah I'm looking through things right now, honestly considering just going with EFISTUB at this point lol
2024-04-29 00:30:07	kode54	oh, didn't know that, thanks for enlightening me
2024-04-29 00:30:19	ecd	oh, neat
2024-04-29 00:30:43	Scimmia	ecd: if your motherboard won't store NVRAM entries, you can't do direct EFISTUB loading
2024-04-29 00:31:15	kode54	you can install systemd-boot, which will install bootx64.efi to the fallback location, and that supports a boot menu
2024-04-29 00:31:18	Scimmia	ecd: what's your issue at this point?
2024-04-29 00:31:29	kode54	in fact, if you configure UKI generation, it can display those automatically
2024-04-29 00:31:38	ecd	my issue is that I currently boot into grub command line
2024-04-29 00:31:49	Scimmia	that happens because you haven't configured it
2024-04-29 00:31:59	kode54	oh, we're getting somewhere then
2024-04-29 00:32:55	ecd	I'm booted back into the archiso now, gonna look at configuring it
2024-04-29 00:33:07	ecd	(I thought I had given it enough config but I guess not?)
2024-04-29 00:33:55	Scimmia	The location of the config file is hard-coded when you run grub-install. If you configured it before changing /boot, it wouldn't be valid anymore
2024-04-29 00:34:47	ecd	ah, I think I may have just ...not run grub-mkconfig this time
2024-04-29 00:34:55	ecd	it isn't in my history at least
2024-04-29 00:36:24	ecd	we're in business babyyyyy
2024-04-29 00:37:51	ecd	turns out the thing I was really getting stuck on was fixed by --removable, thanks Scimmia & kode54
2024-04-29 00:38:32	kode54	!next
2024-04-29 00:38:33	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2024-04-29 00:40:35	ecd	that's a pretty annoying failure mode, doubly so because mobo tooling for inspecting what's happening suck
2024-04-29 00:41:41	Scimmia	It's amazing how prevelant terrible firmware is
2024-04-29 00:42:12	kode54	I had an MSI board
2024-04-29 00:42:17	kode54	it did remember NVRAM config
2024-04-29 00:42:24	ecd	american megatrends, incredible
2024-04-29 00:42:28	kode54	but I preferred not to rely on it, because a BIOS update would wipe it
2024-04-29 00:42:52	kode54	my current one is American Megatrends too, and it will wipe them on an update
2024-04-29 00:43:00	kode54	I use fallback folder for systemd-boot
2024-04-29 00:43:09	kode54	I also keep a Ventoy USB stick handy
2024-04-29 00:43:17	kode54	with a bunch of handy boot ISOs
2024-04-29 00:43:27	kode54	I periodically remember to update my Arch iso on it
2024-04-29 00:43:41	kode54	it's a super fast USB stick, too
2024-04-29 00:44:01	ecd	not a bad idea, I've got a gparted and system-rescue thumb drive kicking around
2024-04-29 00:44:22	kode54	Samsung FIT Plus 3.1
2024-04-29 00:44:36	kode54	writes at least 50-60MB/s, and reads at least 200-300MB/s
2024-04-29 00:45:05	kode54	pick a capacity, I picked 256GB because it was on sale at the time
2024-04-29 00:45:43	kode54	Ventoy makes it easy because you just install it to a drive, and drop EFI ISOs onto the exfat storage partition
2024-04-29 00:45:58	kode54	it's made from grub and other OSS tools, completely open source itself too
2024-04-29 00:47:02	Scimmia	I just have an Arch install on USB, can easily set it up however I want instead of messing with ISOs
2024-04-29 00:50:03	ecd	alright, time to set up a DE, which means it's time to read up on the status of wayland x nvidia x arch lol
2024-04-29 00:52:43	madprops	what are some fonts to enable japanese+chinese fonts, etc. What are some basic font packages I can install?
2024-04-29 00:52:43	grogu	I literally spent $750 yesterday on an AMD Radeon 7900XT just to get away from Nvidia so I could run Wayland and have things work well.  Anyone wanna buy an Nvidia RTX 3080? :D
2024-04-29 00:53:32	grogu	(joking, of course, about selling...probably going to give it to a friend)
2024-04-29 00:53:53	ecd	I currently have a Nvidia RTX 4070 Ti so I'm not changing away any time soon
2024-04-29 00:54:43	grogu	Good luck!  I've been fighting that fight for years, and Wayland never worked well for me (screen tearing galore, etc)
2024-04-29 00:55:22	ecd	my experience with AMD last time I had one of their cards were the drivers were hot garbage and caused constant drama. I understand the situation has improved, but I don't know how much
2024-04-29 00:55:38	grogu	for me, everything thus far has _just worked_
2024-04-29 00:55:56	kode54	 one of the crashes I used to experience with Blender was recently fixed
2024-04-29 00:55:59	kode54	(AMD)
2024-04-29 00:56:07	kode54	it was fixed by one of the firmware modules being updated
2024-04-29 00:56:10	ecd	this was back in the pre-wayland days tho
2024-04-29 00:56:24	grogu	i'm using amdgpu open source driver...not using any proprietary
2024-04-29 00:56:32	kode54	 samr
2024-04-29 00:56:35	kode54	*same
2024-04-29 00:56:41	kode54	but you have to use linux-firmware with it
2024-04-29 00:56:52	kode54	so you get whatever binary blobs AMD has seen fit to update
2024-04-29 00:58:36	grogu	There are people using Nvidia with Wayland just fine, but I never seemed to be able to, on a 1070Ti, nor a 3070Ti, nor a 3080.  I know explicit sync is coming, but I still have a tough time trusting there won't be other problems because of how adversarial Nvidia seems to be (there's always hope that changes).
2024-04-29 00:59:22	kode54	my boyfriend was using nvidia with plasma wayland on a 3060
2024-04-29 00:59:35	kode54	with the explicit sync xorg-xwayland
2024-04-29 00:59:49	grogu	how well did it run?
2024-04-29 00:59:59	kode54	fairly well
2024-04-29 01:00:02	grogu	that's good to hear
2024-04-29 01:00:13	kode54	(which is now merged, so it's fit to install xorg-xwayland-git, with a different PKGBUILD because the person who took it over hasn't bothered to update it in over 7 months)
2024-04-29 01:00:27	grogu	my hope is that everything will be resolved soon enough, but I became very impatient this past week :)
2024-04-29 01:00:36	kode54	one of those idiots who just mass adopts random orphaned packages then never updates them
2024-04-29 01:01:31	kode54	the explicit sync changes are merged into xwayland git, but not in a release yet
2024-04-29 01:01:45	kode54	also not quite in nvidia drivers yet, but the xwayland changes are good enough for now
2024-04-29 01:01:57	grogu	Right.  It'll be months before it is seen stable in distros.
2024-04-29 01:02:16	kode54	he recently reinstalled Windows for other reasons, though
2024-04-29 01:02:31	kode54	wine 9.3+ broke yabridge
2024-04-29 01:02:36	grogu	Hence my impatience.  I spent years working with Nvidia + all manner of distros/etc, vfio gpu passthrough, and more...and I just got fed up haha
2024-04-29 01:03:10	kode54	upstream yabridge's current workaround is "downgrade your wine to 9.2"
2024-04-29 01:03:18	grogu	ugh :(
2024-04-29 01:03:57	kode54	there's a fix proposed for Wine itself, which hasn't been merged yet, and hasn't been decided on its final form either
2024-04-29 01:03:59	kode54	basically
2024-04-29 01:04:49	kode54	the problem is, wine SoS for running 64 bit binaries with 32 bit wine is broken
2024-04-29 01:05:08	kode54	as in, if you use /usr/bin/wine, you can't run winelib gcc binaries built 64 bit
2024-04-29 01:05:30	kode54	the workaround is to run wine64
2024-04-29 01:05:49	kode54	the problem has to do with the ShellExecute related code using search paths differently
2024-04-29 01:06:07	kode54	it needs a workaround that doesn't behave exactly like Windows, so that it can search for linux binaries
2024-04-29 01:06:27	grogu	I'm honestly confused why there's still a need for anything 32-bit.  I'm guessing because there are still numerous DLLs in windows still 32-bit, but I'm quite ignorant of how Wine actually functions aside from translating calls.
2024-04-29 01:06:38	kode54	sometimes people need to run old code
2024-04-29 01:06:44	kode54	wine specifically should support this
2024-04-29 01:07:04	kode54	(yabridge is a tool for loading 32 and 64 bit Windows VST plugins in Linux DAWs)
2024-04-29 01:08:01	grogu	True.  I suppose I mean for modern apps -- example, Battle.net games - I still have to install lib32 stuff, or at least that's what the guides like to say.  Perhaps it's a "just in case 32 bit is necessary" thing.
2024-04-29 01:08:19	kode54	wine specifically needs both
2024-04-29 01:08:46	HuntsMan	wine is in the multilib repo for a good reason
2024-04-29 01:08:49	kode54	yup
2024-04-29 02:56:10	Soni	shrinking is when you wanna dual-boot or setup RAID on a live system or a few other "unimportant" things
2024-04-29 02:56:41	Soni	(bypassing filesystem for VM storage is also a good one)
2024-04-29 03:37:46	quarters	hello. I seem to be having issues with running mariadb. this is the error I see: [ERROR] Unknown/unsupported storage engine: InnoDB
2024-04-29 03:39:26	ectospasm	quarters:  you may be better off asking in #mariadb, but it sounds like you don't have the InnoDB storage engine installed, and your configuration is trying to use it.
2024-04-29 03:41:38	mpan	quarters: check and provide the logs, please.
2024-04-29 03:42:14	quarters	mpan, sorry. I'm not sure where the logs would be. Is the stuff from systemctl status mariadb ok?
2024-04-29 03:42:54	mpan	quarters: journalctl -b 0 -u mariadb
2024-04-29 03:43:07	ectospasm	!give quarters paste
2024-04-29 03:43:07	phrik	quarters: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-04-29 03:44:20	quarters	!0x0
2024-04-29 03:44:20	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-04-29 03:44:26	mpan	Also, possibly, “/var/log/mariadb” IIRC
2024-04-29 03:44:57	ectospasm	It's something very basic.  I don't run bare-metal mariadb on Arch, but I don't see an innodb specific package
2024-04-29 03:45:01	mpan	It’s possible InnoDB is simply not starting.
2024-04-29 03:45:13	mpan	(due to errors)
2024-04-29 03:45:24	ectospasm	this ^
2024-04-29 03:45:35	quarters	https://0x0.st/XH0a.txt
2024-04-29 03:46:04	mpan	> [ERROR] InnoDB: Upgrade after a crash is not supported. The redo log was created with MariaDB 10.4.6. You must start up and shut down MariaDB 10.4 or earlier.
2024-04-29 03:46:23	mpan	quarters: do you have backups of your database?
2024-04-29 03:46:34	ectospasm	let's hope
2024-04-29 03:46:51	quarters	mpan, I'm not sure. it's been awhile since I ran this
2024-04-29 03:46:57	mpan	ectospasm: not neccessarily, if they don’t mind losing last transactions.
2024-04-29 03:47:04	mpan	quarters: do you actually have any databases?
2024-04-29 03:47:14	quarters	mpan, maybe not
2024-04-29 03:47:22	quarters	I think I would be fine with losing it
2024-04-29 03:47:43	ectospasm	what do you use mariadb for?
2024-04-29 03:47:52	ectospasm	If you're OK with losing the database.
2024-04-29 03:48:23	quarters	ectospasm, for playing with some webapp development
2024-04-29 03:48:37	ectospasm	Oh, so it's not critical.
2024-04-29 03:48:40	quarters	no
2024-04-29 03:49:11	quarters	but I should probably know how to work with backups moving forward in case this is indispensable data moving forward
2024-04-29 03:49:35	mpan	Given that it seems unused for over 4 years… I believe you don’t need these. :P
2024-04-29 03:49:40	ectospasm	So, when you last started this database with MariaDB, it was on version 10.4.6.  You've since upgraded mariadb and hadn't launched the database before doing that.
2024-04-29 03:50:04	quarters	ectospasm, ah yes, exactly
2024-04-29 03:50:44	mpan	The databases are in “/var/lib/mysql” IIRC.
2024-04-29 03:50:50	ectospasm	If you really want to get that database up and running, you may want to downgrade to MariaDB 10.4.6, let it start the database and recover from its crash, and then upgrade to whatever version of MariaDB you have installed.
2024-04-29 03:50:54	ectospasm	mpan: that's configurable
2024-04-29 03:51:15	ectospasm	And mainly relies on having enough space in / or /var (or whatever other partition it's in)
2024-04-29 03:51:37	mpan	Yeah, by default. I assume they know it’s not there, if they moved it.
2024-04-29 03:51:41	ectospasm	At work, we have the database installed in /data/mysql
2024-04-29 03:53:32	mpan	quarters: then just remove the databases (the contents of the data directory, no the directory itself).
2024-04-29 03:54:29	ectospasm	sudo systemctl stop mariadb # if it's not stopped
2024-04-29 03:54:55	ectospasm	then `sudo rm -rf /path/to/mysql/database/dir/*`
2024-04-29 03:55:37	ectospasm	But yeah, you'll want to look into mysqldump/mariadbdump, for backups.
2024-04-29 03:55:59	ectospasm	If you want to get real fancy, you can set up another mariadb server and set up replication
2024-04-29 03:58:26	quarters	thanks mpan and ectospasm . I'll look at doing these things
2024-04-29 03:59:12	ectospasm	but replication is *NOT* backups, but can help out in a pinch
2024-04-29 03:59:49	ectospasm	I remember power cycling a server when it had a bad RAID battery once.  Trashed a 4.5T production database
2024-04-29 04:00:11	ectospasm	Now I'm sure to shut it down gracefully if I can.  That was no fun.
2024-04-29 04:00:41	ectospasm	I was able to restore from the backup application server, it had a replicated version of the database, and was caught up IIRC.
2024-04-29 04:00:56	ectospasm	Still took like 16 hours
2024-04-29 04:01:53	ectospasm	But the real problem was after restoring from the replication slave, mariadb was pegging I/O on the RAID controller, making this production database run really slow
2024-04-29 04:02:33	ectospasm	Never could figure it out, when shut off all services and disallowed all queries, ensuring the database was completely idle, it was still pegging 100 percent I/O
2024-04-29 04:03:27	ectospasm	It wasn't until I scheduled a maintenance window three months later, did a full mysqldump of the database, DROP DATABASE ... (this part was really scary), then imported from the dump, the I/O peg went away.
2024-04-29 04:03:48	ectospasm	Took all weekend, but I finally figured it out.
2024-04-29 04:05:29	mpan	In the topic more relevant to Arch maintenance: RDBMS servers tend to require database storage updates and tend to not be able to recover old versions of various state files. If you `pacman -Syu`, make sure they are either running or *cleanly* stopped before the update, and always check if they start correctly afterwards. The later you check, the more trouble you get.
2024-04-29 04:06:35	quarters	oooh. I also see this in the wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/MariaDB#10.4_to_10.5_upgrade_crash:_%22InnoDB:_Upgrade_after_a_crash_is_not_supported._The_redo_log_was_created_with_MariaDB_10.4.x%22
2024-04-29 04:06:36	phrik	Title: MariaDB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-29 04:07:10	mpan	If you wished to restore it now, you would need to roll back 4 years back in time. I hope you see how that would be hell.
2024-04-29 04:08:05	quarters	mpan, oh. would there be a way to just take a peek at what the table and/or db names are?
2024-04-29 04:08:13	mpan	quarters: yes, but I am not sure if these were the files mentioned there or something else went wrong.
2024-04-29 04:08:49	mpan	quarters: no idea. Perhaps people in #mariadb know.
2024-04-29 04:09:00	quarters	ok. lol. thanks again!
2024-04-29 04:09:31	mpan	Though… it seems it’s not an official channel.
2024-04-29 04:24:43	tijko	I caught a thread on Reddit /r/archlinux today that mentioned all the Python packages will need to be re-built
2024-04-29 04:24:54	tijko	Well the packages from AUR at least.
2024-04-29 04:25:12	mpan	tijko: python got updated to 3.12. *All* packages have to be rebuilt. But the official ones are rebuilt by maintainers.
2024-04-29 04:26:30	Soni	how much overhead do you need for LUKS? 4MB?
2024-04-29 04:26:32	tijko	mpan I feel like Python may really screwed the pooch with its versioning but what do I know anyways.
2024-04-29 04:27:33	mefistofeles	tbf, pure python packages don't really need to be rebuilt, but that may still be needed in terms of how arch does packaging for these
2024-04-29 04:28:11	mpan	tijko: it’s not specific to Python either. It’s just Python is a dependency for a large number of things.
2024-04-29 04:28:36	tijko	mpan this is true.
2024-04-29 04:28:59	tijko	mefistofeles I'm not understanding?
2024-04-29 04:30:59	mpan	tijko: most Python stuff doesn’t directly care about version. These containing binaries may. The thing is that the files are packaged so they go into a different place.
2024-04-29 04:31:15	tijko	mpan go it.
2024-04-29 04:31:20	tijko	got* it
2024-04-29 04:31:34	mpan	tijko: /usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/
2024-04-29 04:31:39	mpan	>3.12< :)
2024-04-29 04:31:40	tijko	mpan I would think *some* Python things care about versioning
2024-04-29 04:31:54	tijko	but the bulk of it was a long time back now.
2024-04-29 04:31:55	Soni	hmm why is luks not saving the new size...
2024-04-29 04:31:56	mpan	Yes, I wrote “most”, not “all”.
2024-04-29 04:32:18	tijko	(2.7 jump to 3.0)
2024-04-29 04:32:43	mpan	Soni: I don’t know the answer (and I doubt me checking what cryptsetup creates will differ from you checking this), but what does it affect in your case?
2024-04-29 04:32:58	mefistofeles	tijko: yeah, that one famously broke the compatibility, but there's no such changes from 3.11 to 3.12, unless packages were using already long deprecated things
2024-04-29 04:33:10	Soni	we guess we just resize the partition now?
2024-04-29 04:33:37	mpan	Soni: but for that you only extend it. No need to care about the size of existing LUKS header.
2024-04-29 04:33:45	Soni	apparently luks uses the entire device size so it doesn't matter if we cryptsetup-resize
2024-04-29 04:34:01	mpan	Note that dm-crypt itself doesn’t care about the block device size.
2024-04-29 04:34:01	Soni	mpan: shrink
2024-04-29 04:34:14	mpan	Oh. Well, again the same thing.
2024-04-29 04:34:34	tijko	mefistofeles, I think what I said was maybe a bit unfair too, "screwed the pooch".
2024-04-29 04:34:34	mpan	dm-crypt just blindly encrypts/decrypts the blocks it is given. It’s filesystem’s job to know what are its own extents.
2024-04-29 04:34:37	Soni	as in it'll use the entire size?
2024-04-29 04:34:55	tijko	Most of what I am seeing is standardized packaging that is dependent on distributions
2024-04-29 04:35:04	Soni	(so long as the luks header exists, we're guessing?)
2024-04-29 04:35:09	mpan	It will not use anything. It just performs encryption/decryption. The file system defines how much is used.
2024-04-29 04:35:12	mpan	(yes)
2024-04-29 04:35:24	mpan	(but I assume you don’t want to resize partition to megabytes size, right?)
2024-04-29 04:36:44	Soni	the filesystem is already shrunk to 150GiB, but we need to know how to shrink the partition
2024-04-29 04:37:02	mpan	Soni: you just shrink it, without caring about LUKS.
2024-04-29 04:37:35	mpan	As long as the LUKS+filesystem fits, it’s ok.
2024-04-29 04:37:55	Soni	yeah, so we need to know the size of the LUKS
2024-04-29 04:38:00	Soni	which is 4MB
2024-04-29 04:38:06	mpan	Just need to know where the filesystem starts.
2024-04-29 04:38:14	Soni	same difference?
2024-04-29 04:38:40	Soni	we need an extra 4MB for the partition
2024-04-29 04:38:46	mpan	Yes, if it’s 4 MB.
2024-04-29 04:39:23	Soni	and then this is just regular partitioning
2024-04-29 04:40:11	Soni	fdisk, gdisk, parted, which one do we use again?
2024-04-29 04:40:55	mpan	Soni: `sudo cryptsetup status DECRYPTED_DEVICENAME` ← will show you the offset to the filesystem.
2024-04-29 05:16:51	codebam	how do I migrate from pass to gopass? it worked seamlessly last time but now I reinstalled and it won't use my ~/.password-store
2024-04-29 05:17:15	codebam	oh wrong channel, but maybe someone here knows anyways
2024-04-29 05:29:15	kode54	codebam: what channels would you suggest for that?
2024-04-29 05:29:26	kode54	also I don't know what gopass is
2024-04-29 05:30:01	kode54	ah, found gopass.pw
2024-04-29 05:34:27	kode54	codebam: you need to mount it with `gopass mounts`
2024-04-29 05:34:47	kode54	it expects .password-store-<name> template
2024-04-29 05:35:25	codebam	I'm just going to use pass. I'm not sure how it was working last time but anyways
2024-04-29 05:35:39	codebam	last time I just ran `gopass show whatever` and it worked
2024-04-29 05:40:23	kode54	huh
2024-04-29 05:40:26	kode54	I just installed gopass
2024-04-29 05:40:33	kode54	it automatically connected to my pass store
2024-04-29 05:40:58	kode54	maybe try installing gopass-summon-provider?
2024-04-29 05:41:21	kode54	oh, wrong
2024-04-29 05:41:23	kode54	but I don't know
2024-04-29 05:41:29	kode54	it should have imported the store
2024-04-29 05:41:42	kode54	maybe you need to have regular pass still installed for it to detect it?
2024-04-29 06:01:40	Soni	what's the recommended partition type for linux RAID?
2024-04-29 06:10:12	phrik	Title: RAID - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-29 10:20:57	pbnoxious	is there a reason the JOSM package is out of date since half a year? https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/josm/
2024-04-29 10:20:59	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - josm 18822-2 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-29 10:21:12	pbnoxious	and that there is also a "josm-stable" AUR package that is similarly outdated? https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/josm-stable
2024-04-29 10:21:13	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - josm-stable (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-04-29 10:22:15	gromit	pbnoxious: good question, does updating locally work? 
2024-04-29 10:24:06	pbnoxious	good question as well :-D
2024-04-29 10:25:00	pbnoxious	my guess is that the distribution variant of this java thing that is described by the devs is to use "OpenWebStart"
2024-04-29 10:25:17	pbnoxious	so it will automatically update the newer versions
2024-04-29 10:25:24	pbnoxious	(if I understand it correctly)
2024-04-29 10:25:41	pbnoxious	that would mean to not use any package at all but rather just download the app once
2024-04-29 10:40:26	pbnoxious	okay, it builds just fine
2024-04-29 10:40:57	pbnoxious	the packagebuild is a bit confusing to me, I think I'd have to somehow manually edit the changelog, but it works just fine without
2024-04-29 10:41:16	pbnoxious	and there's some warnings when starting the app but it seems to work fine
2024-04-29 10:42:38	gromit	pbnoxious: so it seems like its packager is somewhat inactive in the last two months https://gitlab.archlinux.org/jlichtblau
2024-04-29 10:42:43	phrik	Title: Jaroslav Lichtblau · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-29 10:43:07	gromit	pbnoxious: If you send a MR to the package I can see what I can do about updating the repo package 👍
2024-04-29 10:43:17	gromit	Or are the changes trivial (just bumping version & build) 
2024-04-29 10:44:11	pbnoxious	gromit: the changes I did are just updating the commit-id and the version (and updating the respective hash sum)
2024-04-29 10:44:34	gromit	Ah well, that sounds trivial enough 
2024-04-29 10:44:47	pbnoxious	I'm really not that knowledgeable about packaging, so I'm not sure if I missed something
2024-04-29 10:58:28	gromit	pbnoxious: are you using the testing repositories? 
2024-04-29 11:00:35	pbnoxious	no
2024-04-29 11:01:04	gromit	pbnoxious: ah well, I have just uploaded the updated package there, so maybe I thought you can test 
2024-04-29 11:01:08	pbnoxious	I just noticed that my JOSM version was severely outdated and then looked in the AUR and now installed the josm-stable aur package with an updated commit
2024-04-29 11:01:12	pbnoxious	okay, I can try
2024-04-29 11:11:17	pbnoxious	gromit: interestingly it now gives me a Java error on startup: "java.lang.module.FindException: Module javafx.web not found
2024-04-29 11:11:36	pbnoxious	but might me my severely misconfigured system
2024-04-29 11:11:50	gromit	pbnoxious: yeah this is an old issue it seems: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/josm/-/issues/3
2024-04-29 11:11:51	phrik	Title: Module javafx.web not found on launch (#3) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / josm · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-29 11:12:16	gromit	Starting it directly seems to work java -jar /usr/share/java/josm/josm.jar
2024-04-29 11:13:01	pbnoxious	true, but it worked before
2024-04-29 11:13:15	pbnoxious	(just entering `josm` in bash)
2024-04-29 11:14:34	pbnoxious	and it still complains about some "Missing JVM Arguments"
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2024-04-29 14:20:58	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-29 14:21:00	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-29 14:52:08	bswartz	madprops: Wait until you run it on /var
2024-04-29 15:01:06	archdummy	Y'all is there anyone knowledgeable in HID proxy stuff ??
2024-04-29 15:31:18	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-29 15:34:12	itshog	Hello, since upgrading Octave to version 9.1 I am unable to plot, as the program instantly segfaults
2024-04-29 15:34:31	itshog	Has anyone else experienced this issue?
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2024-04-29 15:34:50	gromit	itshog: does it output anything useful to the terminal? 
2024-04-29 15:35:07	gromit	itshog: also did you try to check what the stacktrace is for the coredump? 
2024-04-29 15:35:22	itshog	No, but I could try uploading the coredump
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2024-04-29 15:36:09	gromit	itshog: I can reproduce the crash
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2024-04-29 15:38:11	itshog	Maybe it's an issue related to a missing dependency? The upgrade from 8.4 to 9.1 marks the switch from qt5 to qt6, so maybe there are additional qt6 dependency ofor plotting
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2024-04-29 15:39:12	gromit	itshog: we can tag team it: you open the bug and add as much info as you can and I add the stack trace to it 
2024-04-29 15:40:03	itshog	Maybe we should first try to understand if the issue is present upstream
2024-04-29 15:40:56	gromit	itshog: also a good idea!
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2024-04-29 15:44:01	itshog	https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?group=octave
2024-04-29 15:44:03	phrik	Title: GNU Octave - Bugs: Browse Items [Savannah] (at savannah.gnu.org)
2024-04-29 15:44:10	itshog	This is the upstream issue tracker
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2024-04-29 15:45:37	gromit	itshog: I also had a quick look on the Mailing lists and discourse
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2024-04-29 15:46:15	mefistofeles	oh, I think I'm facing the same issue somebody else reported about not being able to use the keyboard connected to the logitech unify connector
2024-04-29 15:46:31	mefistofeles	can't remember who it was, but it's crazy. I can use it in the login screen, not in the desktop.
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2024-04-29 15:46:50	mefistofeles	mouse connected to the same adapter, works fine
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2024-04-29 15:47:31	gromit	itshog: this is the trace https://gist.github.com/christian-heusel/7b75d2cd40d6307acaf95f9e71c04c5e
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2024-04-29 15:49:58	itshog	gromit: Are you on wayland or x11?
2024-04-29 15:50:07	gromit	itshog: X11
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2024-04-29 16:00:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-29 15:50:19	itshog	Thanks, so it's not wayland related
2024-04-29 15:51:57	itshog	I'll open an issue in the Arch bug tracker, can I link the stack trace you provided?
2024-04-29 15:52:14	gromit	itshog: sure! 
2024-04-29 15:59:11	itshog	gromit: I just remembered that I don't have an account on Arch gitlab instance, could you open it instead if you already have an account?
2024-04-29 16:00:06	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-04-29 16:01:07	gromit	itshog: just send an email, I'm the one processing the requests so I can assure you thats its going to be fast ;) 
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2024-04-29 16:02:51	alad	gromit is paid by the minute
2024-04-29 16:03:11	gromit	alad: I'm a 10x engineer, I take ten times as long
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2024-04-29 16:03:18	alad	:O
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2024-04-29 16:03:32	alad	!grab gromit
2024-04-29 16:03:32	phrik	alad: Bazinga!
2024-04-29 16:04:02	itshog	gromit: I sent the mail
2024-04-29 16:04:50	itshog	Anyway, here's the output of `bt full` for one of the sessions that crashed
2024-04-29 16:04:57	itshog	https://0x0.st/XHd1.log
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2024-04-29 16:36:08	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-04-29 16:36:08	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1476 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1475 regular)
2024-04-29 16:28:53	Dex_2x	Hi all, does systemd-boot support directly booting into 64bit mode , which grub2 does support?
2024-04-29 16:29:47	fleshy	howdy :)
2024-04-29 16:30:17	Scimmia	Dex_2x: what do you mean by '64bit mode'?
2024-04-29 16:30:45	Dex_2x	Scimmia long mode , bypassing protected mode
2024-04-29 16:31:25	Scimmia	Dex_2x: you're talking about Windows?
2024-04-29 16:31:44	gromit	!give fleshy welcome
2024-04-29 16:31:45	phrik	fleshy: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2024-04-29 16:31:58	fleshy	lol, i surprisingly didn't
2024-04-29 16:32:10	Dex_2x	Scimmia no talking about bootloaders and operating modes of the CPU
2024-04-29 16:32:30	fleshy	the only fuck up i've had in recent memory is switching to windows for a few months back there
2024-04-29 16:32:35	Dex_2x	Scimmia as in https://wiki.osdev.org/Protected_mode , vs https://wiki.osdev.org/Entering_Long_Mode_Directly
2024-04-29 16:32:39	phrik	Title: Protected Mode - OSDev Wiki (at wiki.osdev.org)
2024-04-29 16:34:09	Scimmia	Dex_2x: first thing to understand, systemd-boot isn't a bootloader
2024-04-29 16:34:25	Scimmia	it's a simple menu that can run UEFI executables
2024-04-29 16:34:36	Dex_2x	a boot manager
2024-04-29 16:35:04	Dex_2x	Okay so grub is a boot loader and systemd-boot is just a boot manager
2024-04-29 16:35:09	Dex_2x	so what does it use a boot loader then?
2024-04-29 16:35:25	Scimmia	in most cases, the stub loader built into the kernel
2024-04-29 16:35:42	Dex_2x	EFIStub?
2024-04-29 16:35:45	Scimmia	yes
2024-04-29 16:36:08	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-04-29 16:36:32	fleshy	just curious, why do people hate systemd so much, it seems to work just fine?
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2024-04-29 17:59:53	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-29 16:38:35	Scimmia	man, I haven't thought about CPU protected mode vs real mode in decades. I'd actually forgotten it existed
2024-04-29 16:39:48	Dex_2x	I found where it explains it a bit https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/x86/boot.rst
2024-04-29 16:40:11	Scimmia	Dex_2x: most UEFI systems are 64 bit, so I would assume it must be in long mode before it even starts the bootloader
2024-04-29 16:41:33	itshog	gromit: I created the issue, feel free to add anything that may be relevant
2024-04-29 16:41:50	itshog	gromit: And thank you for the fast response!
2024-04-29 16:42:41	fleshy	welcome, fdisk_retro !
2024-04-29 16:43:58	Dex_2x	Scimmia interesting few things that need to happen to just directly to long mode
2024-04-29 16:44:34	gog	long mode is initialized during PEI stage
2024-04-29 16:45:23	gog	and by default when in long mode it will first look through the Boot* entries for the application to execute, or by default /EFI/BOOT/BOOT{IA32,X64}.efi depending on if it's in protected mode or long mode
2024-04-29 16:47:04	gog	so if the kernel is compiled for x86_64, the EFISTUB will have in its fake PE header the machine type
2024-04-29 16:47:12	gog	8664 iirc
2024-04-29 16:47:31	gog	i don't think you can cross-boot, like have 32-bit UEFI load a kernel for 64-bit
2024-04-29 16:48:30	Scimmia	It can be done, and has been done on some of the early UEFI macs
2024-04-29 16:49:50	gog	ahaa interesting
2024-04-29 16:50:21	Scimmia	It did require a full bootloader like grub, IIRC
2024-04-29 16:50:46	Dex_2x	So why would you use a full bootloader though ?
2024-04-29 16:50:55	Dex_2x	I just had endless issues with booting with grub
2024-04-29 16:51:05	Dex_2x	systemd-boot with the efistub just worked
2024-04-29 16:51:18	gog	i use grub and it's problem-free for me
2024-04-29 16:51:39	Dex_2x	It's always giving me issues on my gaming pc's
2024-04-29 16:51:48	Scimmia	the main advantage is that it can do much more, such as decrypting a filesystem to access the kernel/initramfs
2024-04-29 16:52:51	Scimmia	better access to other partitions/disks/filesystems, etc as well
2024-04-29 16:53:09	gog	yes
2024-04-29 16:53:45	Dex_2x	well mostly I just wanted to boot off a SSD with no luks or other encryption
2024-04-29 16:53:48	Scimmia	grub is, essentially, it's own operating system
2024-04-29 16:54:07	Dex_2x	and grub just fell flat on it's face, also taking longer
2024-04-29 17:04:35	uuidNuniq	i want to pass "number of cpu" as my program 's arg in ExecStart=, looks like systemd does not have such identifier
2024-04-29 17:06:25	wunit	uuidNuniq: wrap it into a /bin/sh -c '...'
2024-04-29 17:10:07	jelle	uuidNuniq: for what program?
2024-04-29 17:20:46	uuidNuniq	my custom program :)
2024-04-29 17:21:10	uuidNuniq	it has a -j arg like gnu make :)
2024-04-29 17:25:00	demonicmaniac1	if you don't launch nproc instances of your program wouldn't it be easier to handle it in the program?
2024-04-29 17:26:45	demonicmaniac1	something that preferably can also show differences for heterogenous systems with low power cores and weak cores
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2024-04-29 18:12:27	matheusmoreira	hi. im trying to use ssh/sftp/rsync over wifi from my phone to my laptop running archlinux. getting extremely low performance, high latency and file transfers just stall. anyone know how to diagnose/fix this?
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2024-04-29 18:12:50	grawity	matheusmoreira: which is the server and which is the client?
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2024-04-29 18:14:35	matheusmoreira	laptop is server running sshd as per the wiki
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2024-04-29 18:14:38	matheusmoreira	also over wifi
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2024-04-29 18:16:26	grawity	try an `iw dev wlan0 set power_save off` and check if it has any effect whatsoever
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2024-04-29 18:18:58	matheusmoreira	ill try it!!
2024-04-29 18:19:03	MacGyver	matheusmoreira: Is the phone *active* while doing the transfer?
2024-04-29 18:19:35	MacGyver	matheusmoreira: If you're doing what I suspect you're doing, i.e. running stuff from termux, you need to grab an inhibition lock.
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2024-04-29 18:21:00	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-29 18:23:52	matheusmoreira	somewhat
2024-04-29 18:24:13	matheusmoreira	yeah im running from termux, and actively monitoring the terminal
2024-04-29 18:24:21	matheusmoreira	ill try grabbing the wakelock
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2024-04-29 18:28:28	MacGyver	Judging by https://github.com/termux/termux-packages/issues/1193 it might not even help thouhg.
2024-04-29 18:28:30	MacGyver	though*
2024-04-29 18:28:58	MacGyver	There's a bunch of other things in there to try.
2024-04-29 18:30:26	matheusmoreira	yeah it didnt seem to help much
2024-04-29 18:31:05	matheusmoreira	made ssh a little bit lower latency in my subjective experience and then it froze for a minute
2024-04-29 18:31:34	matheusmoreira	im trying the power saving thing but I think I have to use a different command for it
2024-04-29 18:32:23	grawity	it should significantly reduce latency for ssh'ing into the laptop, but it won't help with the rest
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2024-04-29 18:36:09	matheusmoreira	any way to disable power saving with iwdctl?
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2024-04-29 18:38:17	matheusmoreira	never mind, I just installed iw and used it
2024-04-29 18:38:28	matheusmoreira	power save mode WAS on! 
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2024-04-29 18:38:56	matheusmoreira	just turned it off, i'll now test and report back if it fixed the problem!
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2024-04-29 18:40:14	matheusmoreira	wow latency is like night and day just as you said! feels like im in a local terminal
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2024-04-29 18:41:59	matheusmoreira	rsync and sftp going at full speed
2024-04-29 18:42:11	matheusmoreira	that completely fixed it
2024-04-29 18:42:15	matheusmoreira	thanks so much
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2024-04-29 18:43:22	matheusmoreira	I found instructions on the wiki to persist power saving mode to off via udev rule, I'll apply this config now
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2024-04-29 20:25:36	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-29 19:00:52	cstevens	infocmp -x tmux-256color
2024-04-29 19:40:55	fleshy64	I use arch btw
2024-04-29 19:41:03	luna_	same
2024-04-29 19:41:09	fleshy64	unbelievable 
2024-04-29 19:41:53	fleshy64	more specifically: endeavour os because it's pretty epic 
2024-04-29 19:43:15	Scimmia	!give fleshy64 notarch
2024-04-29 19:43:15	phrik	fleshy64: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2024-04-29 19:43:25	luna_	fleshy64: same on my laptop, but using proper Arch on my desktops
2024-04-29 19:45:26	zphinx	endevouros has a great premade i3 + i3status config
2024-04-29 19:45:40	zphinx	dont know much else
2024-04-29 19:46:46	fleshy64	it has some pretty nice builtin utils
2024-04-29 20:06:06	centrix	How can I find out what options were used to configure R before it was packed for Arch?
2024-04-29 20:07:02	matheusmoreira	check out the PKGBUILD in the official repos
2024-04-29 20:07:45	matheusmoreira	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/r/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads
2024-04-29 20:07:47	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / r · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-29 20:08:08	mefistofeles	centrix: you could go to the PKGBUILD in the package repo. That would be https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/r 
2024-04-29 20:08:09	phrik	Title: Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / r · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-29 20:08:12	mefistofeles	oh matheusmoreira also did it xD
2024-04-29 20:09:15	matheusmoreira	it's an excellent way to learn how to compile a lot of software
2024-04-29 20:09:41	centrix	matheusmoreira, Off I go now :)
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2024-04-29 20:31:04	whoami	Hi, I had a couple questions directed at package maintainers... specifically I am a maintainer for the Nebula project (package here: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/nebula/). According to another project maintainer, the Arch package maintainer once told him that the systemd unit file for the Arch system (which needs tweaks relative to other systems) needed to live in our own repo,
2024-04-29 20:31:06	whoami	since they had no place to store it. However, I see this repo here where it could be stored: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/nebula
2024-04-29 20:31:07	phrik	Title: Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / nebula · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-29 20:31:16	whoami	Additionally, I see that pattern used for other projects, such as here: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/lxd
2024-04-29 20:31:18	phrik	Title: Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / lxd · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-04-29 20:31:26	whoami	What is the best way to get in touch with the package maintainers and have them host the unit file directly?
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2024-04-29 20:33:48	jelle	I suprised you maintain a fedora and arch specific systemd unit it should be fairly generic
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2024-04-29 20:44:28	whoami	jelle: indeed. the fedora maintainers wanted a bunch of extra security clamping stuff, but they have moved to shipping it themselves
2024-04-29 20:44:38	whoami	arch is the remaining distro, and apparently it was pathing related.
2024-04-29 20:45:25	jelle	we can as well
2024-04-29 20:45:27	whoami	(our example systemd file uses /usr/local/bin, since it assumes users who would install from a package repo would already have a unit file.)
2024-04-29 20:45:41	whoami	yes, that's what i pointed out in my original message. how can i get in touch with the maintainers of this package to ask them to make that change?
2024-04-29 20:45:45	whoami	i don't know why the maintainer said they couldn't before.
2024-04-29 20:45:50	edu4rdshl	Openm an issue?
2024-04-29 20:45:53	edu4rdshl	Open*
2024-04-29 20:46:08	whoami	thanks, the repo is the best place to contact them?
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2024-04-29 20:46:24	edu4rdshl	Sure
2024-04-29 20:46:57	whoami	i'm more familiar with AUR packages, where you contact maintainers directly from the package listing
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2024-04-29 21:16:38	Antiz	whoami: It seems like the nebula package is not really under active maintenance on our side. I'll update the package and address the systemd service issues (+ update the package itself while I'm at it)
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2024-04-29 21:16:56	Antiz	s/I'll update/I'll adopt/
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2024-04-29 21:33:56	edu4rdshl	bastelfreak, are you forgetting / ?
2024-04-29 21:34:07	edu4rdshl	You're spamming all channels with that
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2024-04-29 21:35:27	gehidore	smoove
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2024-04-29 21:36:52	jelle	smooth operator
2024-04-29 21:37:04	gehidore	now I'm going to have that song stuck in my head all day
2024-04-29 21:37:07	gehidore	at least it's an acceptable song
2024-04-29 21:37:09	gehidore	thanks jelle 
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2024-04-29 21:37:20	jelle	gehidore: no worries
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2024-04-29 21:46:24	whoami	Antiz: thank you, i appreciate that
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2024-04-29 22:15:45	Antiz	whoami: No problem! Done ;)
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2024-04-29 22:24:29	whoami	Antiz: you rock, thanks again!
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2024-04-29 22:34:36	kode54	apparently this is a thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/VFIO/comments/nviap2/in_case_your_games_output_60_fps_but_the/
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2024-04-29 22:34:56	kode54	at least for the fun process of running a Windows VM with emulated graphics
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2024-04-29 22:37:02	zippy	any solution to crow-translate segmentation fault problem?
2024-04-29 22:37:28	zippy	I run Artix
2024-04-29 22:37:38	kode54	!notarch
2024-04-29 22:37:38	phrik	https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2024-04-29 22:38:13	KDDLB	zippy, #artix might help you better in this case
2024-04-29 22:38:31	zippy	thanks
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2024-04-29 23:13:43	kode54	sorry I wasn't more specific
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2024-04-29 23:14:07	kode54	thanks honey for directing them to the right place
2024-04-29 23:14:16	KDDLB	:)
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2024-04-30 01:04:13	decaykun	Hello guys
2024-04-30 01:04:31	gehidore	!give decaykun welcomerpg
2024-04-30 01:04:32	phrik	decaykun: Greetings, observer of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get ravaged today?
2024-04-30 01:05:35	decaykun	Does anyone use gnome 46?
2024-04-30 01:08:52	Scimmia	!give decaykun ask
2024-04-30 01:08:52	phrik	decaykun: Don't ask to ask, if anyone is here or alive, or uses something. Just ask, and we'll get moving along. Thanks.
2024-04-30 01:10:05	decaykun	I've been using rdp with gnome 46 and I can't launch apps,just gives me black screen
2024-04-30 04:03:35	a59z	is there any benefit to using pipewire-jack if you use a DAC and good headphones or just stick with pipewire-pulse? actually, the DAC recommends to use native ALSA (https://docs.khadas.com/products/audio/tone1/tone-linux), so i can use both pipewire-pulse and pipewire-alsa?
2024-04-30 04:03:36	phrik	Title: Tone with MPD In Linux [Khadas Docs] (at docs.khadas.com)
2024-04-30 04:13:07	kode54	a59z: pipewire-jack is for hosting jack clients on pipewire, not for outputting over jack
2024-04-30 04:13:50	kode54	so jack using apps can host their session in pipewire
2024-04-30 04:24:07	chovy	anyone's laptop crashing with buffer destination error or something?
2024-04-30 04:44:36	phrik	chovy: Is that a question?
2024-04-30 04:44:40	phrik	chovy: Compensation for channel surveys is accepted in Dogecoins, Simoleons, and Kongbucks.
2024-04-30 04:45:08	phrik	Title: FGA: Please follow the standard litany when giving a problem report. (at www.co.kerr.tx.us)
2024-04-30 05:57:21	BertoX	!help
2024-04-30 05:57:21	phrik	BertoX: Use the 'list' command to list all plugins, and 'list <plugin>' to list all commands in a plugin. To show the help of a command, use 'help <command>'. 
2024-04-30 05:57:37	BertoX	!list
2024-04-30 05:57:38	phrik	BertoX: ALwiki, Admin, Aka, Anonymous, Channel, Conditional, Config, DDG, DarkSky, Dict, Dunno, Filter, Format, Games, Googler, Internet, Karma, Kickme, Later, Math, MessageParser, Misc, MoobotFactoids, Network, OpsPing, Owner, Plugin, QuoteGrabs, RSS, Reply, Scheduler, Services, String, Success, Time, Topic, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
2024-04-30 06:08:13	mpan	BertoX: is there any specific thing you’d like to use in phrik? I could point you to it. :)
2024-04-30 06:18:15	BertoX	mpan, no just testing ty:)
2024-04-30 06:20:14	edu4rdshl	Tip: you can /query phrik and then write anything you want there
2024-04-30 10:12:43	cloudowind	verry very quite today , thats good tho , this means no one is having  issues with their archs :/
2024-04-30 10:22:44	g105b	Maybe Arch is complete now. No more issues, ever.
2024-04-30 10:22:46	wunit	it's quite today all the time
2024-04-30 10:23:04	g105b	I'm very new to Arch, but I've had less questions with this distro than any other. Especially the installation phase.
2024-04-30 10:28:00	g105b	I have a question though. I wonder if it's safe to upgrade the system with the single command `yay -Syu`? I used pacman to install most things, and only used yay to install things where they weren't available in pacman.
2024-04-30 10:28:48	g105b	Or rather, just `yay`
2024-04-30 10:29:54	g105b	The only thing I'm apprehensive about is whether using yay to upgrade the whole system will change the way the packages are installed, because the first thing it asks is whether to clean build - this shouldn't be the case with packages installed via pacman, should it?
2024-04-30 10:33:56	wunit	g105b: have you looked at how to use PKGBUILDs and makepkg?
2024-04-30 10:34:10	g105b	No, I don't know what that is.
2024-04-30 10:37:00	wunit	recommendation: first learn how packages are built before resorting to helpers like Yay that abstract/hide away things
2024-04-30 10:37:15	wunit	here's an overview of the involved components: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_build_system#Toolchain
2024-04-30 10:37:16	phrik	Title: Arch build system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-30 10:37:56	wunit	then https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_User_Repository for "things where they weren't available in pacman" :-)
2024-04-30 10:37:57	phrik	Title: Arch User Repository - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-04-30 10:40:06	g105b	wunit: that's interesting, thank you. Yeah my main issue was that I didn't really understand what yay was doing behind the scenes, and I'm not a fan of randomly running a command without understanding what it does. This resource looks great, thank you.
2024-04-30 10:43:37	wunit	yw - essentially it's (1) getting the PKGBUILD file (and other related files, where applicable), then (2) calling makepkg to have it build a pacman package based on the "recipe" contained in the PKGBUILD file
2024-04-30 10:52:33	g105b	Cool, it makes sense!
2024-04-30 10:54:07	demonicmaniac1	g105b: technically there isn't an issue as long as you understand that a failure of yay -Syu can mean an issue with yay resolving aur dependencies and what not. so if yay fails, try pacman itself. if that works the issue is with aur stuff
2024-04-30 10:55:47	g105b	My issue was that when running `yay` to upgrade things, I wasn't asked for sudo password, and it looked like it was downloading a load of packages that _should_ need the sudo password, so I was concerned that yay was getting the packages from aur instead, which is not as efficient as each things needs building. I understand it wasn't doing that now.
2024-04-30 10:56:55	Dworin	also, sometimes packages in aur need to be rebuild even though there is no update. This is because their dependencies have been updated. (right now, this is the case for many python packages)
2024-04-30 10:57:10	Dworin	downloading doesn't sudo or password, installing does
2024-04-30 10:58:29	Dworin	doesn't need*
2024-04-30 11:27:39	SysGhost	Indeed. Many package managers do download all the needed packages before installing them. The reasoning is that it shouldn't have to revert or end up with a partially updated system in case one or more packages can't be downloaded.
2024-04-30 11:38:47	heythere221	Hello everyone!:) I'm looking for a program that lets me write to an EC register on my laptop. On Windows there's an application called 'read write everything'. Is there something similar for Arch?
2024-04-30 11:39:18	jelle	heythere221: which laptop?
2024-04-30 11:39:32	heythere221	MSI gs 66 stealth 10th gen
2024-04-30 11:39:35	heythere221	jelle: 
2024-04-30 11:39:44	jelle	laptop I suppose?
2024-04-30 11:39:46	vikn	Not sure I can help, but what do you mean with "EC register"?
2024-04-30 11:39:51	heythere221	jelle: Yes.
2024-04-30 11:39:57	demonicmaniac1	embedded controller
2024-04-30 11:40:12	demonicmaniac1	the one that holds fan control info and what not
2024-04-30 11:40:53	heythere221	vikn: I have no clue tbh haha. Tis 'read write everything' application on Windows calls it 'EC'. Basically I need to change a byte to be able to fully charge my laptop battery. Right now it's set to 80%. So I suppose it's a battery controller?
2024-04-30 11:41:17	jelle	heythere221: that should be somewhat supported now on MSI
2024-04-30 11:41:33	heythere221	I don't want this huge dragon center MSI bloat on my machine for just the battery charge capacity...
2024-04-30 11:41:35	demonicmaniac1	it's a general embedded controller. debugs has a read/write interface to the EC
2024-04-30 11:41:51	demonicmaniac1	and jelle means the kernel has an interface now to set charge thresholds for many laptops
2024-04-30 11:41:54	jelle	look for /sys/class/power_supply/*/charge_control_end_threshold
2024-04-30 11:41:59	heythere221	jelle: Okay but how do I do it then?
2024-04-30 11:42:14	heythere221	jelle: Ok let me see...
2024-04-30 11:43:21	heythere221	demonicmaniac1: Let's say the kernel didn't have an interface for it. How do I do it 'your way'? I don't undersstand what you mean by 'debugs'.
2024-04-30 11:43:31	vikn	thanks for the explanation!
2024-04-30 11:45:36	demonicmaniac1	heythere221: via /sys/kernel/debug might have to modprobe ec_sys module or such - should definitely NOT muck around in there willy nilly with write support tho
2024-04-30 11:46:41	heythere221	jelle: I don't have the charge_control_end_threshold variable in /sys/class/power_supply/*/
2024-04-30 11:46:53	jelle	aah :(
2024-04-30 11:46:59	jelle	heythere221: and not running lts?
2024-04-30 11:47:24	heythere221	demonicmaniac1: All right thx ;)
2024-04-30 11:48:27	jelle	I guess your laptop is not yet supported by https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/98369dccd2f8e16bf4c6621053af7aa4821dcf8e/drivers/platform/x86/msi-ec.c#L1186
2024-04-30 11:49:58	heythere221	jelle: 5.15.157-1
2024-04-30 11:50:08	jelle	that's old
2024-04-30 11:50:25	heythere221	jelle: This one: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/linux-lts515
2024-04-30 11:50:27	jelle	like, are you even running arch
2024-04-30 11:50:27	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - linux-lts515 (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-04-30 11:50:43	heythere221	jelle: Yes lol
2024-04-30 11:50:51	jelle	why such an ancient kernel
2024-04-30 11:50:59	heythere221	jelle: Ancient xD
2024-04-30 11:51:05	jelle	not that there is a guarrantee it works on 6.8
2024-04-30 11:51:23	heythere221	Cause I had some issues with my whole laptop freezing while using certain software so I downgraded until it worked haha.
2024-04-30 11:51:51	heythere221	It probably has something to do with my NIC but who knows neeed to get rid of that killer card and get a normal intel one.
2024-04-30 11:53:41	heythere221	jelle: let me upgrade real quick and try with lts
2024-04-30 11:54:03	heythere221	Also if it won't work is demonicmaniac1's method advised or not really?
2024-04-30 11:56:24	jelle	if you re-read what he said
2024-04-30 11:56:31	jelle	(then general no)
2024-04-30 11:56:52	jelle	plus do you even know the register offsets
2024-04-30 11:57:10	heythere221	jelle: Right the offsets...
2024-04-30 11:57:59	heythere221	jelle: Thought there might be an application like this 'rw everything' for windows but I guess not. It displays the offsets.
2024-04-30 11:58:07	heythere221	and I know which offset to write to.
2024-04-30 11:58:47	heythere221	It's offset EF
2024-04-30 11:58:48	jelle	I cannot recommend doing it
2024-04-30 11:59:01	heythere221	jelle: Ok I upgrade my kernel and see.
2024-04-30 11:59:05	heythere221	Thx everyone!
2024-04-30 12:01:08	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/7K7A waddup?
2024-04-30 12:01:09	phrik	Title: View paste 7K7A (at bpa.st)
2024-04-30 12:01:15	jelle	I mean, in general it is good to not run 5.15
2024-04-30 12:01:23	jelle	sunyibo: python 3.12
2024-04-30 12:01:52	sunyibo	so, how can I get my news now?
2024-04-30 12:02:10	SysGhost	sunyibo: could it be: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'imp'
2024-04-30 12:02:38	jelle	sunyibo: news?
2024-04-30 12:02:40	jelle	https://github.com/gpodder/gpodder/issues/1614
2024-04-30 12:02:49	demonicmaniac1	jelle: that's also one of the reasons why builtin batteries are terrible, at least with battery removal you can usually reset ec write fuckups
2024-04-30 12:03:42	sunyibo	should I contact the arch maintainer?
2024-04-30 12:03:51	jelle	that would be useful
2024-04-30 12:04:00	jelle	ask them to drop the package to the aur imo :D
2024-04-30 12:05:29	sunyibo	yeah, right. There goes my news... How can I find the maintainer contact?
2024-04-30 12:06:01	jelle	sunyibo: there is a workaround listed in the issue and their info is on the arch website
2024-04-30 12:10:06	heythere221	Upgraded to lts and still not there. I just have charge_full_design, charge_now, charge_full
2024-04-30 12:10:21	sunyibo	thanks
2024-04-30 12:10:23	heythere221	Just for the record.
2024-04-30 12:10:52	heythere221	I'll stick to this EC writing thing for windows for now.
2024-04-30 12:11:04	jelle	heythere221: well try mainline then :)
2024-04-30 12:11:10	jelle	the MSI EC driver is quite new
2024-04-30 12:11:31	heythere221	mainline? What's that? Sry for this noob questions all the time :D
2024-04-30 12:11:58	jelle	I mean "linux"
2024-04-30 12:13:39	Dworin	sunyibo:OTOH, gpodder is already flagged out of date
2024-04-30 12:13:51	jelle	Dworin: it is not out of date however
2024-04-30 12:13:55	heythere221	jelle: Aah the majnline kernel?
2024-04-30 12:14:04	sunyibo	Dworin: any alternatives to suggest?
2024-04-30 12:14:07	Dworin	oh, I should have read till the end, sorry
2024-04-30 12:14:14	jelle	sunyibo: read the last comment in the issue
2024-04-30 12:14:40	Dworin	I'm using newsboat, may take some time to set up ymmv
2024-04-30 12:16:20	jelle	sunyibo: or https://archlinux.org/people/package-maintainers/#bgyorgy
2024-04-30 12:16:20	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Maintainers (at archlinux.org)
2024-04-30 12:19:53	heythere221	Btw does the EC control Battery, Keyboard and fan at the same time or is there a different EC for each?
2024-04-30 12:21:16	gog	there's usually one EC
2024-04-30 12:21:34	heythere221	gog: Thx!
2024-04-30 12:26:50	zxrom	.w
2024-04-30 12:27:51	jenkins	I've been having some issues with applications not working properly after the recent large python update
2024-04-30 12:28:31	jelle	jenkins: are they from the AUR?
2024-04-30 12:28:54	jenkins	mostly aur packages yes, but not all of them
2024-04-30 12:29:23	jenkins	syncthing from extra for instance was broken
2024-04-30 12:29:50	jelle	how?
2024-04-30 12:30:01	jelle	if aur => rebuild
2024-04-30 12:30:30	jenkins	couldnt start the server I guess, solved that one by replacing it with the git version
2024-04-30 12:30:47	Namarrgon	"solved"
2024-04-30 12:30:50	jenkins	there is no mopidy-git anymore thoug, and mopidy from extra has a similar problem
2024-04-30 12:31:28	Namarrgon	Rebuild everything that owns /usr/lib/python3.11 first.
2024-04-30 12:32:39	jelle	mopidy really needs a new release 
2024-04-30 12:32:54	jenkins	but some packages I can't rebuild, and also activitywatch-git doesn't work because it can't find python-persist-queue and python-timeslot
2024-04-30 12:33:00	jenkins	but they are regularly installed
2024-04-30 12:33:25	jelle	you need to rebuild them in order
2024-04-30 12:33:38	jenkins	uhm... I'll try that
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2024-04-30 13:10:28	jenkins	no same thing, No module named 'persistqueue'
2024-04-30 13:11:17	jenkins	and no timeslot module either... maybe these packages need to be updated
2024-04-30 13:12:01	astralc	those are in aur.... you need update ALL packages
2024-04-30 13:12:37	Namarrgon	pacman -Qo /usr/lib/python3.11
2024-04-30 13:13:31	jenkins	ah all packages, I see
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2024-04-30 13:13:35	omen	i had to install python311 and rebuild my environment, maybe you can get away with just rebuilding
2024-04-30 13:14:14	jenkins	I just used the -Rs option to uninstall the package along with the dependicies, wich include those two modules of course
2024-04-30 13:14:44	Namarrgon	You probably don't need to remove anything, only rebuild the packages.
2024-04-30 13:14:54	jenkins	I tried that already
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2024-04-30 13:15:15	Namarrgon	if you still have stuff in /usr/lib/python3.11 then you haven't tried that already.
2024-04-30 13:16:07	jenkins	I just have site-packages
2024-04-30 13:16:17	Namarrgon	what was the -Qo output?
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2024-04-30 13:17:25	jenkins	Namarrgon: https://i.ibb.co/YpJ3RmB/Screenshot-2024-04-30-13-16-36.png
2024-04-30 13:18:12	jenkins	uh I see the problem... not sure how to fix it though
2024-04-30 13:18:14	Namarrgon	You need to uninstall or rebuild all that stuff.
2024-04-30 13:18:26	Namarrgon	Are you using youtube-dl?
2024-04-30 13:18:46	jenkins	nope
2024-04-30 13:19:00	jelle	time for a spring cleaning
2024-04-30 13:19:20	Namarrgon	Remove it and whatever else of that you don't use and then rebuild the rest.
2024-04-30 13:19:25	jenkins	I had no idea
2024-04-30 13:22:49	jenkins	if I just reinstall python-persist-queue it appears under -Qo /usr/lib/python3.11 again
2024-04-30 13:23:06	MrElendig	*rebuild*
2024-04-30 13:23:28	Namarrgon	You have to rebuild the packages so they don't end up in the same 3.11 directory again.
2024-04-30 13:23:57	MrElendig	if you are just using <insert aur helper here> -S whatever, and it has the package in the cache, it will install the old package again that was built for 3.11
2024-04-30 13:23:57	Dworin	you may need to put an -f flag to force rebuild as it's not out-of-date
2024-04-30 13:24:06	jenkins	dont know how to rebuild them I just use my aur manager or makepkg
2024-04-30 13:24:34	MrElendig	youraurhelper --help
2024-04-30 13:24:51	jenkins	oh I see it would rebuild only it the version is newer
2024-04-30 13:26:22	Dworin	that's why you need to add the correct flag. Probably -f
2024-04-30 13:26:47	jenkins	--rebuild works for paru
2024-04-30 13:28:05	Dworin	there you go
2024-04-30 13:28:10	astralc	I predict lot of "corrupted or invalid" errors in the need future
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2024-04-30 13:31:12	heythere221	Is it normal that I can't modify a file with dd which I have created with 'touch' without root? The file doesn't belong to root...
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2024-04-30 13:32:36	jenkins	all good now, thank you #archlinux 
2024-04-30 13:32:52	MrElendig	heythere221: too little info given
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2024-04-30 13:34:07	heythere221	MrElendig: echo 44 | dd of=testfile bs=1 seek=239 count=1
2024-04-30 13:34:15	heythere221	before that i did touch testfile
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2024-04-30 13:38:05	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-30 13:38:56	ponies	bs=1 is pretty damn low
2024-04-30 13:39:04	ponies	oh i see, nevermind
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2024-04-30 13:40:11	MrElendig	error being?
2024-04-30 13:41:09	heythere221	MrElendig: Permission denied. Why do I need sudo for that if I'm not trying to mess with the system but just my own files?
2024-04-30 13:41:24	MrElendig	namei -l /full/path/to/file
2024-04-30 13:41:31	heythere221	I own the file and I belong to the group
2024-04-30 13:41:33	grawity	permission denied for what
2024-04-30 13:41:34	MrElendig	findmnt -t /full/path/to/file
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2024-04-30 13:41:39	MrElendig	-T*
2024-04-30 13:41:45	grawity	does it say anything else in the message, or just literally the two words?
2024-04-30 13:41:54	heythere221	grawity: for that: echo 44 | dd of=testfile bs=1 seek=239 count=1
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2024-04-30 13:42:05	grawity	for which part of that?
2024-04-30 13:42:19	heythere221	grawity: dd: failed to open 'tesfile': Permission denied
2024-04-30 13:42:30	grawity	ok
2024-04-30 13:42:37	grawity	who's the owner of "tesfile" then?
2024-04-30 13:42:42	heythere221	me
2024-04-30 13:42:49	grawity	of both "tesfile" and "testfile"?
2024-04-30 13:42:49	heythere221	I just created it with touch testfile
2024-04-30 13:42:52	MrElendig	and is the path actually correct?
2024-04-30 13:42:55	heythere221	and immediately after i did that dd
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2024-04-30 13:44:02	heythere221	MrElendig: I'm in the directory where the file is located and it's a relative path so just the name of the file
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2024-04-30 13:44:34	heythere221	MrElendig: 
2024-04-30 13:44:36	heythere221	wait nvm
2024-04-30 13:44:39	heythere221	lmao my bad 
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2024-04-30 13:44:42	heythere221	sry xD
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2024-04-30 13:47:28	heythere221	I didn't have write permissions... Thx!!
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2024-04-30 15:41:28	klf	after modifying the mbr (or whatever label type) of a disk via say fdisk, there's usually a command that one should run so that the system kept up to date with those changes.
2024-04-30 15:42:01	klf	I forget what that command is.
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2024-04-30 15:42:40	Scimmia	partprobe
2024-04-30 15:42:47	klf	that's it!
2024-04-30 15:42:52	klf	Scimmia: Thanks!
2024-04-30 15:42:58	Scimmia	np
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2024-04-30 16:17:40	jelle	!python312
2024-04-30 16:17:41	phrik	jelle: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
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2024-04-30 19:35:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-04-30 18:50:38	whiteman809	is archinstall reliable tool? can i use archinstall to save time instead of manually pacstrap arch-chroot as described in the arch wiki page arch installation?
2024-04-30 18:52:05	brjl	!archinstall
2024-04-30 18:52:06	phrik	See Torxed or #archinstall
2024-04-30 18:58:50	susi__	it hardly saves any time I'd guess
2024-04-30 19:02:23	another|	How often do you reinstall? 
2024-04-30 19:05:21	brjl	I've honestly never used it
2024-04-30 19:20:22	SunSaych	Hello, guys. Can anybody prop my assumption concerning the new value of vm.max_map_count parameter? Do I understand correctly that increasing it by default now can eat more RAM for me? Because I've encountered a total system freeze after the upgrade with Chromium browser: was watching facebook videos and the whole RAM was eaten alive and the system died... It never happened before with the old
2024-04-30 19:20:22	SunSaych	65530 value. (yes, I have little RAM, unfortunately, 
2024-04-30 19:20:22	SunSaych	but, again, it never happened before).
2024-04-30 19:21:52	SunSaych	Changed the value back to the old 65530 value and now I watch videos normally again.
2024-04-30 19:22:17	SunSaych	Does the new greater value gives more freedom to apps?
2024-04-30 19:22:27	SunSaych	Am I right?
2024-04-30 19:23:16	mpan	SunSaych: it will increase memory usage, but in the sense that previously the process would simply crash. Not in the sense it would use less memory. Though, if the program tries to do something “smart” based on reading this parameter, it probably can try to allocate more, while it wouldn’t otherwise.
2024-04-30 19:24:39	SunSaych	mpan: Okay, thank you. So, I assume, my 4 gigs are not enough for this new parameter... Need to upgrade.
2024-04-30 19:24:49	mpan	If that is indeed the case, IMO it should be reported as a bug to the program’s maintainers. A program that tries to be “smart” with memory usage, should be smart enough to not abuse the mechanism.
2024-04-30 19:24:57	SunSaych	It's an old PC but it still works ok
2024-04-30 19:25:54	mindhunter	Hey. So I recently installed arch linux and I am currently running using the 6.8.8 kernel. My system seems to randomly trigger a kernel panic when shutting down
2024-04-30 19:26:09	SunSaych	mpan: Seems reasonable. Thank you. It was Firefox, I recalled (was wrong about Chromium).
2024-04-30 19:26:14	mindhunter	I tried looking at the logs but I cant seem to find anything wrong with it 
2024-04-30 19:26:39	mindhunter	And its weird that its happening during shutdown because I have heard kernel panics usually occur when the system boots up
2024-04-30 19:27:21	SunSaych	mindhunter: kernel panics can occur at any time
2024-04-30 19:27:56	SunSaych	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=293692
2024-04-30 19:27:56	phrik	Title: Kernel Panic on Shutdown / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-04-30 19:28:02	SunSaych	looks like a similar issue
2024-04-30 19:29:50	mpan	SunSaych: do you have swap enabled?
2024-04-30 19:30:12	SunSaych	mpan: Yes
2024-04-30 19:30:32	SunSaych	mpan: Though I didn't look into it, silly me... :(
2024-04-30 19:30:36	mpan	SunSaych: try disabling it for testing and see if the browser crashes instead of blocking the entire system.
2024-04-30 19:31:02	SunSaych	Just managed to close all programs, especially Firefox, and the system came back to life
2024-04-30 19:31:11	mpan	If that helps, I would say it’s a runaway memory leak, which coincidently appeared in the same tame as the `vm.max_map_count` change. Unrealated to `vm.max_map_count` itself.
2024-04-30 19:31:24	SunSaych	mpan: Ah, okay. Will try it.
2024-04-30 19:31:30	mpan	Oh, so it’s not totally frozen?
2024-04-30 19:31:42	mpan	“I've encountered a total system freeze”
2024-04-30 19:32:28	SunSaych	mpan: it was like dead for several minutes then I managed somehow to close some apps. It became a bit responsive, then managed to close FF. I also saw that my RAM in conky was fully used.
2024-04-30 19:32:55	mpan	How big is the swap? Is it on HDD or SSD?
2024-04-30 19:32:57	SunSaych	The memory eater was Firefox
2024-04-30 19:33:04	SunSaych	HDD
2024-04-30 19:33:11	SunSaych	like 8 gigs
2024-04-30 19:34:07	mpan	A few minutes for 8 GB swap on HDD seems unreasonably quickly. I would say that, given this new info and that Firefox wasn’t killed by OOM, it’s not a runaway memory leak. So ignore that entire part, let’s just come back to: it shouldn’t try to allocate that much memory.
2024-04-30 19:34:28	mpan	Also, if you have only 4 GB RAM, there is no point in having 8 GB swap. 4 GB or less is sufficient.
2024-04-30 19:34:46	mpan	(for a typical workload)
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2024-04-30 21:31:21	derSpasm	makes sense to me.  I remember having swap double RAM was a really old suggestion, I don't even remember why
2024-04-30 21:41:29	choix	Hi, does that bluez package have a bug that being worked on right now? I get a '/src/gatt-database.c:...' type error when I check the systemctl status of bluetooth.service. Do I just wait for a patch?
2024-04-30 22:08:47	⚡ 	AlinConstantin Noapte buna.
2024-05-01 01:56:01	reverseengineer	hey is there any other tool to manage python venv properly or how do we have multiple versions of python on arch?
2024-05-01 01:57:21	cdown	venvs are not about python versions. use pyenv.
2024-05-01 01:58:17	reverseengineer	cdown: venv if you need a specific python version, your host needs to have it installed and then you can run venv... that's the issue I can't install 311 on my host
2024-05-01 01:58:38	cdown	that's not how venv works. you want pyenv.
2024-05-01 01:58:41	reverseengineer	I thought pyenv does not exist in repo 
2024-05-01 01:58:52	reverseengineer	cdown: you misunderstood my sentence
2024-05-01 01:59:27	cdown	% pacman -Ssq pyenv
2024-05-01 01:59:27	cdown	pyenv
2024-05-01 02:00:18	reverseengineer	Yes I am trying to use it right now when you first recommended it, one moment
2024-05-01 02:21:11	cloudowind	didnt know there a was a tool to manage python env. , i use pip to list and modify the packages belongs to the same env , 
2024-05-01 02:32:13	scat117	Does anyone here use sudo-rs in place of sudo, not alongside it?
2024-05-01 02:38:16	Namarrgon	Considering the warnings on the github page it's probably not a drop-in replacement for sudo yet
2024-05-01 02:39:55	Namarrgon	https://github.com/memorysafety/sudo-rs/issues/823 Nope, not ready for production.
2024-05-01 02:41:58	scat117	Namarrgon: Wow. Cool feature. Will use.
2024-05-01 02:43:04	scat117	Namarrgon: On a more serious note. I was wondering if there is anything major I need to watch out for.
2024-05-01 02:43:26	scat117	Namarrgon: The README doesn't mention not supporting anything I use.
2024-05-01 02:46:47	Namarrgon	Well, the packges doesn't conflict with sudo and doesn't provide a "sudo" symlink or binary.
2024-05-01 02:47:21	Namarrgon	The package provides very little at all...
2024-05-01 02:47:42	Namarrgon	https://paste.xinu.at/sHNM
2024-05-01 02:52:00	scat117	Namarrgon: Note that there is no official package. The PKGBUILD from AUR renames the binaries to avoid conflicts. That's what lead me to ask my specific initial question ;)
2024-05-01 02:53:06	al1r4d	virtualsid: let me check later
2024-05-01 02:53:57	virtualsid	wait, what did I ask
2024-05-01 02:54:18	virtualsid	oh! the webrender question
2024-05-01 03:42:21	scat117	Okay. I installed sudo-rs. Removed sudo. Created sudo-rs => sudo symlink. Restored sudoers file. Copied /etc/pam.d/sudo from the sudo package since that's actually needed.
2024-05-01 03:42:38	scat117	And now things seem to be working.
2024-05-01 03:42:44	scat117	That was easy.
2024-05-01 04:22:17	afastaudir8	I'm having a really weird issue with grub on my Arch laptop. Basically, what's happening is that I'm adding a kernel parameter to /etc/default/grub under GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT (intel_iommu=on) and regenerating the config using grub-mkconfig on both /boot and on the efi partition. The issue is that, while the parameter appears in the grub.cfg file, it doesn't actually apply the argument
2024-05-01 04:22:38	afastaudir8	What's causing the problem?
2024-05-01 04:29:46	gehidore	?wtf sudo-rs
2024-05-01 04:29:47	@EMIYA	gehidore: no results for 'sudo-rs'
2024-05-01 04:29:54	gehidore	Fine then be that way, jerk 
2024-05-01 04:38:09	espresso	afastaudir8: how about /proc/cmdline ? does it show intel_iommu=on ?
2024-05-01 04:42:03	afastaudir8	espresso: Nope, doesn't show it
2024-05-01 04:44:13	afastaudir8	I tested to se if the IOMMU groups exist, they don't unless I manually add intel_iommu=on through grub's edit command thing
2024-05-01 04:45:00	afastaudir8	(Yes, my hardware supports IOMMU)
2024-05-01 04:45:36	espresso	afastaudir8: (rifling through https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%253Abbs.archlinux.org+intel_iommu ) Hmm..
2024-05-01 04:45:37	phrik	Title: site%3Abbs.archlinux.org intel_iommu at DuckDuckGo (at duckduckgo.com)
2024-05-01 04:47:10	afastaudir8	You think it could be an issue with IOMMU itself?
2024-05-01 04:47:24	afastaudir8	if so, that's really weirs
2024-05-01 04:47:27	afastaudir8	weird*
2024-05-01 04:48:20	zphinx	https://enterprise-support.nvidia.com/s/article/understanding-the-iommu-linux-grub-file-configuration is it showing up in dmesg?
2024-05-01 04:48:21	phrik	Title: ESPCommunity (at enterprise-support.nvidia.com)
2024-05-01 04:49:05	afastaudir8	Yes
2024-05-01 04:50:03	afastaudir8	IOMMU works when I manually specify intel_iommu within grub itself, but by default, even if it's declared in the cfg file, it's not passing the iommu_intel=on argument at all
2024-05-01 04:50:26	Scimmia	afastaudir8: do you have a /boot partition?
2024-05-01 04:50:35	espresso	afastaudir8: I am only just now learning anything substantial about it. =) but curious issue
2024-05-01 04:50:44	afastaudir8	Ah alright
2024-05-01 04:50:49	zphinx	are you sure youre running grub and not systemd-boot?
2024-05-01 04:50:54	afastaudir8	Scimmia: Idk what you mean
2024-05-01 04:51:04	afastaudir8	zphinx: Yep
2024-05-01 04:51:08	Scimmia	afastaudir8: do you have a partition mounted at /boot
2024-05-01 04:51:12	zphinx	grub should take whatever you throw at it from grub.cfg even if its wrong
2024-05-01 04:52:11	afastaudir8	Scimmia: mount says nvme0n1p1 (efi partition) is mounted there
2024-05-01 04:52:38	Scimmia	afastaudir8: unmount it, I bet you have a grub.cfg on the root partion behind it
2024-05-01 04:52:39	afastaudir8	zphinx: That's what makes this even weirder
2024-05-01 04:53:41	zphinx	what Scimmia says makes sense, since the umounted directory "behind" it will show up first
2024-05-01 04:54:16	Scimmia	it's not about first, grub-install hard codes the location fo the config file
2024-05-01 04:54:43	Scimmia	so if the ESP wasn't mounted when they ran that, it would always look at the root partiiton
2024-05-01 04:55:52	afastaudir8	... I feel really stupid now
2024-05-01 04:55:58	afastaudir8	Scimmia: thanks
2024-05-01 04:56:55	Scimmia	afastaudir8: if you want the ESP at /boot, you need to completely reinstall and reconfigure grub after mounting it, and make sure the kernel is there as well before you do that
2024-05-01 04:57:14	Scimmia	and while the ESP is unmounted, might as well clear out the /boot dir on the root partition
2024-05-01 04:58:54	espresso	afastaudir8: I imagine it happens a fair bit, and with a moment's distraction, as it was the one thing I tripped over on first arch install :)
2024-05-01 04:59:02	Scimmia	othewise mount the ESP elsewhere, such as /efi
2024-05-01 05:12:16	gehidore	Completely reinstall wut?
2024-05-01 05:48:31	Scimmia	gehidore: wut wut?
2024-05-01 05:49:09	gehidore	a full reinstall for a bootloader repair seemd excessive so I was wuting my comprehension of the conversation
2024-05-01 05:49:17	gehidore	then I finished making dinner and lost interest :)
2024-05-01 05:49:47	Scimmia	a full reinstall of grub is necessary to hard-code the corect config location
2024-05-01 05:50:19	gehidore	reinstall grub fully, that makes sense, I took it as reinstall the whole OS
2024-05-01 05:50:37	gehidore	I'm a bit dense when I'm cooking... ok all the time
2024-05-01 05:50:45	Scimmia	"completely reinstall and reconfigure grub"
2024-05-01 05:51:29	gehidore	dense, as I said ;)
2024-05-01 05:52:25	renerthr	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39692116
2024-05-01 05:52:26	phrik	Title: You can configure the window icons directly in the config file. for_window [clas... | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com)
2024-05-01 05:52:38	renerthr	In that comment, there's an emoji that shows as a blank square on my screen. 
2024-05-01 05:53:12	renerthr	it's after "FF6611". I have the 4 noto-fonts packages installed. 
2024-05-01 05:53:43	gehidore	renerthr https://0x0.st/XXKO.png
2024-05-01 05:54:08	renerthr	gehidore: thank you. Yes, exactly like that. I see the same square. 
2024-05-01 05:54:21	gehidore	https://unicodes.jessetane.com/%EE%80%87
2024-05-01 05:54:22	phrik	Title: Unicodes (at unicodes.jessetane.com)
2024-05-01 05:56:26	gehidore	do they have a screenshot that shows it different or something?
2024-05-01 05:57:05	renerthr	gehidore: I don't know that user "FranOntanaya", and it's a comment from 48 days ago
2024-05-01 05:57:46	renerthr	what's the solution?
2024-05-01 05:58:04	gehidore	I don't know that there's an actual issue?
2024-05-01 05:58:33	gehidore	pick a different unicode character?
2024-05-01 05:59:05	renerthr	gehidore: but why did they choose that square character? 
2024-05-01 06:01:04	gehidore	so they had that goofy character as the icon it appears
2024-05-01 06:01:19	gehidore	or to make some random renerthr on the internet think their fonts were broke
2024-05-01 06:01:47	renerthr	gehidore: I am broke
2024-05-01 06:02:44	gehidore	or perhaps we both have broken fonts and the world may never know. Given I've checked it on an iphone 14 and an android phone running android 14 ANNND my arch laptop and see the same character on all I think that's the character it's meant to be
2024-05-01 06:03:01	gehidore	oh and searched for it by copying it to some silly search engine and shown the same result
2024-05-01 06:04:52	gehidore	gross
2024-05-01 06:05:07	gehidore	I'm so sick of the so called AI movement
2024-05-01 06:08:58	renerthr	That HN comment i3 config changes the title at the top, but it doesn't change the title at the bottom of the i3wm screen.
2024-05-01 06:09:12	renerthr	Right now, at the bottom, all I see is numbers: 1,2,3. 
2024-05-01 06:09:33	gehidore	!shrug
2024-05-01 06:09:34	phrik	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2024-05-01 06:09:38	renerthr	But I want to make it look like 1:Emoji1 ; 2:Emoji2. 
2024-05-01 06:10:07	renerthr	https://raw.githubusercontent.com/cboddy/_vim_gifs/master/i3-bar-with-icons.png
2024-05-01 06:10:09	gehidore	ask in #i3 on oftc I suppose
2024-05-01 06:12:19	renerthr	gehidore: Maybe someone here knows the answer. I want to make it look like that image, without having to install that Python package. 
2024-05-01 06:14:55	renerthr	I guess I'll have to install that python package. What's the best way to install Python packages like that in Arch?
2024-05-01 06:15:03	renerthr	Should I use Miniconda?
2024-05-01 06:15:13	renerthr	Or does pacman has a way of handling Python packages?
2024-05-01 06:15:51	espresso	renerthr: well, pacman can install a multitude of Python packages
2024-05-01 06:18:27	renerthr	espresso: I know. I'm talking about packages like that, that are not in the core, extra repos. 
2024-05-01 06:23:14	gehidore	Whatever method you want as long as it's a local not global install
2024-05-01 06:24:19	renerthr	gehidore: The github page says to use sudo, but also mentions an option without sudo.
2024-05-01 06:24:25	renerthr	https://github.com/cboddy/i3-workspace-names-daemon
2024-05-01 06:24:40	renerthr	Does that mean we shouldn't use sudo to install Python packages in Arch?
2024-05-01 06:25:01	renerthr	So we should use the "--user" flag instead?
2024-05-01 06:28:24	gehidore	sudo pip is silly, IMHO, on any distro
2024-05-01 06:30:05	renerthr	gehidore: The github README linked above literally says to run `sudo pip3`. 
2024-05-01 06:31:16	renerthr	most probably a backdoor
2024-05-01 06:32:08	renerthr	It was recommended in an HN comment. 
2024-05-01 06:32:11	gehidore	Doubt it, people are consistently stupid with their use of pip
2024-05-01 06:32:25	gehidore	But it's up to you to verify what you install
2024-05-01 06:33:37	renerthr	https://pages.charlesreid1.com/dont-sudo-pip/
2024-05-01 06:33:38	phrik	Title: dont-sudo-pip (at pages.charlesreid1.com)
2024-05-01 06:33:45	gehidore	Hacker news I'm guessing 
2024-05-01 06:34:25	gehidore	Honestly wish they'd remove the ability to run pip as root/sudo
2024-05-01 06:35:43	gehidore	Then again I refuse to use pip wholesale so it doesn't affect me anyways
2024-05-01 06:36:25	renerthr	what do you use instead of pip?
2024-05-01 06:39:46	gehidore	If it's not in repo or aur with minimal aur dependencies I refuse to use it or if it's somehow essential I'll make my own pkgbuild
2024-05-01 06:40:23	renerthr	gehidore: cool
2024-05-01 06:41:17	renerthr	gehidore: do you use xmonad? or i3? Or sth else? 
2024-05-01 06:41:43	gehidore	sway worked well for my use case so I've been there for some time
2024-05-01 06:48:53	low-key	sway is <3
2024-05-01 06:49:11	archdemon	i need to get it running like i want
2024-05-01 06:49:14	archdemon	im being lazy
2024-05-01 06:49:16	archdemon	:(
2024-05-01 06:55:11	avery2	How can I see what new Arch packages were added to the main repos (core, extra, community) in the last month?
2024-05-01 07:12:19	archdemon	ahh i remember why i stopped using sway
2024-05-01 07:12:33	archdemon	mouse pointer would dissapear
2024-05-01 07:13:48	virtualsid	it's their way of making sure you learn the keyboard shortcuts REALLY well
2024-05-01 07:14:38	archdemon	lol
2024-05-01 07:17:31	renerthr	Psi-Jack: How can I use the ALA to find out the new packages that were added in April? For example, if I go to ncdu, the first date it shows me is Feb-2019. But the wiki says they delete old versions to save storage, so that's not even the date it was added for the first time. 
2024-05-01 07:18:08	renerthr	I'm interested in seeing what packages were added for the first time to the main Arch repos. For example, when they move from the AUR to the main repos. 
2024-05-01 07:19:19	renerthr	Psi-Jack: like a `git diff`? Is the ALA a git repository?
2024-05-01 07:48:55	virtualsid	renerthr: I can't help, but just curious to see if I understand - you just want to see when packages moved from AUR to the main repos? Any reason why, other than 'curiosity'?
2024-05-01 07:50:19	renerthr	virtualsid: yeah, I like stats in general
2024-05-01 07:50:22	renerthr	https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/packages
2024-05-01 07:50:22	phrik	Title: pkgstats.archlinux.de (at pkgstats.archlinux.de)
2024-05-01 07:54:51	virtualsid	That's fair, I am too. Just wondered if there was a particularly interesting use case for the data too :)
2024-05-01 07:55:16	renerthr	why do so many people have the package "chromaprint" installed?
2024-05-01 07:55:41	renerthr	The percentage is higher than chromium
2024-05-01 07:56:46	wunit	renerthr: for "why" questions, you can usually check the reverse dependencies :-)
2024-05-01 07:56:58	virtualsid	what wunit said. :)
2024-05-01 07:56:59	wunit	chromaprint is required by at least mpd and gst-plugins-bad
2024-05-01 08:20:48	intelfx	does anyone happen to know a forward-port of the removed "imp" module to python 3.12?
2024-05-01 08:43:59	chovy	in virtualbox i can't modify windows resolution. i installed virtualbox guest additions, but still doesn't seem tow ork
2024-05-01 08:52:12	furrykef	Got a bit of a problem. My PC won't boot to the GRUB menu after flashing the BIOS and I can't figure out why not. It keeps booting into the BIOS menu.
2024-05-01 08:52:38	furrykef	I've turned off Secure Boot, but that doesn't seem to be enough.
2024-05-01 08:54:14	chovy	does anyone know why my laptop crashes with the error "invalid buffer desitnation"?
2024-05-01 08:56:09	furrykef	It probably did. Thing is I don't have any immediate means to boot into anything now
2024-05-01 08:58:54	furrykef	That was, unfortunately, the USB I overwrote to install the BIOS update. I'm not feeling very smart right now.
2024-05-01 08:59:08	furrykef	I'll have to make a new one using another computer
2024-05-01 08:59:39	furrykef	And I don't see any means to edit NVRAM from the BIOS
2024-05-01 09:18:32	furrykef	I checked the manual and I don't see anything like that. Maybe I'm missing something, though
2024-05-01 09:19:09	furrykef	My BIOS is MSI B550-A PRO
2024-05-01 09:20:34	furrykef	I found a boot menu, but the only entry in it is "Enter Setup"
2024-05-01 09:21:02	furrykef	So probably no UEFI shell
2024-05-01 09:38:19	kode54	yeah, both MSI and Gigabyte, the NVRAM boot entries disappear on BIOS updates
2024-05-01 09:38:34	kode54	they only hard detect specific boot items
2024-05-01 09:38:50	kode54	<efi>/EFI/BOOT/BOOTx64.efi, and the Microsoft one
2024-05-01 09:42:47	furrykef	Fantastic.
2024-05-01 09:43:02	furrykef	So my only option is to make new boot media?
2024-05-01 09:44:20	furrykef	Wish I'd known that when I was speccing this PC
2024-05-01 09:45:56	furrykef	In this case I happened to notice there was an update while I was looking into something else and thought I might as well do it
2024-05-01 09:46:03	furrykef	Silly me.
2024-05-01 11:18:30	fernie	furrykef: next time just drop the bios update file on fat32 efi partition, bios can read it from there. then you have the usb media available :)
2024-05-01 11:21:12	furrykef	Yeah, I coulda done that.
2024-05-01 11:21:52	furrykef	Or I coulda used one of the other two USB sticks I was too lazy to reach for.
2024-05-01 11:26:16	furrykef	All right, I'm out for now. Thanks, guys
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2024-05-01 11:41:39	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-01 12:11:22	kqak	Hello #archlinux!  I recognise my problem isn't an Arch Linux one but could someone point me in the right direction?  I am using Trizen with the AUR and getting this issue: "ERROR: One or more PGP signatures could not be verified!"
2024-05-01 12:12:46	Antiz	kqak: You are most likely trying to install a package that is realying on a signed source. You have to add the associated OpenPGP key to your keyring.
2024-05-01 12:13:03	Antiz	Well s/install/build/ actually
2024-05-01 12:13:37	kqak	Antiz: Ah okay, thank you that is new to me.  I'll try to learn about that right now.  
2024-05-01 12:13:38	Antiz	kqak: What package is that? Also, there's #archlinux-aur just so you know :)
2024-05-01 12:13:55	mpan	kts: this is only a part of the error. The actual reason is given earlier. Also, if you know your question is not welcome here, why do you try it anyway?
2024-05-01 12:14:00	kqak	Antiz: Oh hah I wasn't aware of that either, thanks! :D  I am trying to use matrix-commander, btw.
2024-05-01 12:14:01	mpan	kqak: ↑
2024-05-01 12:15:24	kqak	mpan: If you notice I asked for direction to a better source hence why I asked in here and I just learned about #archlinux-aur which I wasn't aware of before plus learnt some information regardnig the system which I was new to.  I am always polite and try to ask how I can learn to be a better Arch Linux user.
2024-05-01 12:16:27	kqak	mpan: Also thank you for the heads up about that only being a part of the error.
2024-05-01 12:17:24	mpan	kqak: first there is an error from GnuPG, then there is the message from makepkg that only summarizes that signature checking has failed “in some unspecified way”. The first part is relevant here.
2024-05-01 12:17:53	kqak	mpan: Thank you!
2024-05-01 12:18:07	kqak	I'll scroll through tmux to find that.
2024-05-01 12:18:21	mpan	Usually just a bit above that.
2024-05-01 12:18:32	mpan	Last few lines before makepkg reports the failure.
2024-05-01 12:19:18	mpan	Also, you being polite about that it’s not Arch, is the reason you were not shown the door instantly. ;)
2024-05-01 12:19:28	Antiz	mpan: Please
2024-05-01 12:19:55	kts	mpan: I didn't ask anything in here for a long time.
2024-05-01 12:20:08	mpan	kts: that was a tab failure. Ignore, sorry. :)
2024-05-01 12:20:52	Antiz	kqak: Please ignore the un-welcoming approach some are showing... Just move to #archlinux-aur so we can deal with this together ;)
2024-05-01 12:21:29	kqak	Antiz: Thank you understood.
2024-05-01 14:55:52	RealFloridaMan	Neofetch is gone... ?
2024-05-01 14:58:42	derSpasm	RealFloridaMan: the primary developer/maintainer archived it on GitHub, so it's essentially dead.  I read about hyfetch as an alternative, but I haven't looked whether it's available in Arch (or the AUR)
2024-05-01 14:59:45	derSpasm	hyfetch is basically a fork, that does appear to be maintained.
2024-05-01 14:59:58	RealFloridaMan	oh
2024-05-01 15:00:34	derSpasm	The article I read indicated it uses a Pride color theme by default.  I tend not to like open source projects that push an agenda like that, but it seems otherwise harmless.
2024-05-01 15:00:56	derSpasm	And rainbows are for everybody, dammit!
2024-05-01 15:01:44	derSpasm	My wife and I saw a rainbow yesterday.
2024-05-01 15:02:35	derSpasm	It wasn't very well defined, there was some rain up ahead that caught the sunlight just right, but it wasn't a massive rain cloud so the rainbow didn't have a long arc
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2024-05-01 15:28:01	teraflops	wtf https://paste.priet.us/screenshot_2024-05-01-15-27-31.png
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2024-05-01 15:29:02	intelfx	that is... somewhat cursed
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2024-05-01 15:30:42	demonicmaniac1	i'd probably remove the sans part for aur listing at least, can keep the extra flags
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2024-05-01 16:24:29	low-key	does sway in arch support the text-input protocol?
2024-05-01 16:24:51	low-key	trying to get fcitx5 to work and came across this https://old.reddit.com/r/swaywm/comments/wirg48/fcitx5_and_terminal/ijirv17/
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2024-05-01 16:25:17	low-key	wanted to confirm if i'm just missing something or the sway package doesn't come with text-input support
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2024-05-01 16:29:10	renerthr	https://0x0.st/XXq4.conf
2024-05-01 16:29:31	renerthr	What will happen if I edit that file by deleting that line and adding "en_US"? 
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2024-05-01 16:29:57	Namarrgon	What is your goal?
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2024-05-01 16:31:06	Namarrgon	low-key: For me fcitx5 works on sway.
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2024-05-01 16:31:38	renerthr	Namarrgon: I had a similar question. What happens if you never set up en_US localization? The installation guide says you're supposed to do that, by my locale.conf doesn't have en_US (only C), and I don't remember seeing any problems. What errors am I supposed to see?
2024-05-01 16:32:07	Namarrgon	The default, if you don't set anything, is just "C".
2024-05-01 16:32:34	Namarrgon	Non-utf8 locales will nowadays break stuff.
2024-05-01 16:33:59	renerthr	Namarrgon: so everything's good as long as you have a utf8 locale? So I don't really need en_US? 
2024-05-01 16:34:53	low-key	i have a systemd service that launches fcitx5 and it shows up running but unless i set the GTK_IM_MODULE environment variable, the text entry popup doesn't happen
2024-05-01 16:35:12	low-key	while arch wiki says i'm better off only using that for xwayland apps and that text-input will take care of it automatically
2024-05-01 16:35:29	Namarrgon	renerthr: What is your native locale?
2024-05-01 16:35:42	low-key	do i need to do something to set it up for sway/wayland?
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2024-05-01 16:37:13	renerthr	Namarrgon: what's a "native" locale? I speak English, if that's the question 
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2024-05-01 16:38:04	Namarrgon	renerthr: Do you understand which formats the locale influences?
2024-05-01 16:38:34	Namarrgon	Setting the "translation" is only one part of it.
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2024-05-01 16:39:23	Namarrgon	People usually set it to the formats they are used to or are required to use, or just ones they prefer.
2024-05-01 16:40:38	renerthr	Namarrgon: I guess you're talking about section 3 of the wiki page: Variables. 
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2024-05-01 16:43:04	renerthr	how can I have two locales for the LANG variable? Should I add an space between C and en_US? Or is it one line per locale? 
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2024-05-01 16:45:45	tirnanog	you can't. you choose one and that's it.
2024-05-01 16:46:08	teraflops	also to me C and en_US sounds redundant
2024-05-01 16:46:11	tirnanog	however, you are allowed to have one locale for LANG and, say, another one for a particular "LC_" prefixed variable, which would otherwise take its setting from LANG.
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2024-05-01 16:47:04	renerthr	tirnanog: thanks
2024-05-01 16:47:25	renerthr	teraflops: so C and en_US are the same thing?
2024-05-01 16:48:04	renerthr	rephrasing, what are the differences between C and en_US?
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2024-05-01 16:49:12	tirnanog	"C" is a synonym for "POSIX". it presumes a character type of US-ASCII, simplistic collation rules (sorting is by byte order) and, where it observes any particular cultural conventions, skews towards US ones. every unix-like system must support C/POSIX.
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2024-05-01 16:50:59	tirnanog	this is different from say, en_US.UTF-8, which means approximately: the character type must be considered to be in the UTF-8 encoding; the collation rules, monetary formatting rules, numeric formatting rules, date/time formatting rules must explicitly adhere to the conventions of the USA.
2024-05-01 16:52:05	tirnanog	(and not every system must necessarily have a en_US.UTF-8 locale even)
2024-05-01 16:53:11	tirnanog	see also https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap07.html#tag_07 which explains what the individual LC_* variables mean. LANG is just a convenient way of setting them all to the same value.
2024-05-01 16:53:13	phrik	Title: Locale (at pubs.opengroup.org)
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2024-05-01 16:55:43	renerthr	Reagarding that link, what's the OpenGroup? I went to its homepage, and it says it delivers cookies. What's "Open" about that group? Does it have a FOSS philosophy?
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2024-05-01 16:57:07	mkoskar	renerthr: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Group
2024-05-01 16:57:08	phrik	Title: The Open Group - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2024-05-01 16:57:12	tirnanog	to put it simplistically, they govern a range of specifications that make a unix a unix.
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2024-05-01 16:58:02	tirnanog	your average linux distribution isn't perfectly conformant with posix down to the very last letter, but it's not that for off either.
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2024-05-01 16:58:30	renerthr	s/for/far/
2024-05-01 16:58:53	tirnanog	yes.
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2024-05-01 17:01:02	aaro	it's more about money than specs really
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2024-05-01 17:02:10	renerthr	aaro: tell me more
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2024-05-01 17:02:47	aaro	you pay them, they certify your system as UNIX
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2024-05-01 17:11:29	mewt	is there anything i can do about hplip until the new version that works with python 3.12 gets out of extra-testing?
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2024-05-01 17:16:08	Scimmia	not a general statement, but in this case it should work to just get that one package from extra-testing
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2024-05-01 17:16:43	mewt	hmm ok
2024-05-01 17:16:50	Scimmia	i'ts been a few days, I would guess gromit would be moving it soon anyway
2024-05-01 17:16:53	mewt	let's figure out how to do that
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2024-05-01 17:18:24	teraflops	mewt: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra-testing/x86_64/hplip/
2024-05-01 17:18:26	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - hplip 1:3.23.12-5 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2024-05-01 17:18:26	Namarrgon	-Swp hplip, replace the extra with extra-testing and -U the URL
2024-05-01 17:18:32	al1r4d	hello all
2024-05-01 17:18:44	al1r4d	i wonder how to enable hardware acceleration on chromium
2024-05-01 17:18:52	al1r4d	i use arch linux xorg intel hd 4400 only
2024-05-01 17:19:02	al1r4d	is it still possible?
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2024-05-01 17:19:45	Scimmia	al1r4d: AFAIK, the chromium wiki page should be current on that subject
2024-05-01 17:20:03	teraflops	I tried hard and had 0 success
2024-05-01 17:20:15	Scimmia	there's a really long thread on the forums talking about it, but digging through that can be tedious
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2024-05-01 17:22:19	mewt	ah right, oops
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2024-05-01 17:22:50	mewt	alright, here's another q
2024-05-01 17:23:11	mewt	actually i'll check wiki first
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2024-05-01 17:24:14	demonicmaniac1	general hardware acceleration or video decode?
2024-05-01 17:24:30	teraflops	I assumed the latter
2024-05-01 17:24:31	mewt	>Refer link '' to disable Smart Install. 
2024-05-01 17:24:33	mewt	I see...
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2024-05-01 17:24:47	demonicmaniac1	i should boot up my 4600 machine - i switched to amber there since i had some issues with the new crocus gallium drivers for older intel
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2024-05-01 17:25:32	demonicmaniac1	and i did set i965 with dri2 for decoding as env var
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2024-05-01 17:25:35	mewt	ah, now I've got hplip to dump core
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2024-05-01 17:25:49	mewt	hp-setup specifically
2024-05-01 17:26:14	al1r4d	Scimmia, hmm, only working for wayland :x
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2024-05-01 17:27:01	al1r4d	but hey
2024-05-01 17:27:02	al1r4d	*   WebGL: Hardware accelerated
2024-05-01 17:27:03	al1r4d	*   WebGL2: Hardware accelerated
2024-05-01 17:27:27	al1r4d	but the value of video on intel_gpu_top does not increase while i watching youtube
2024-05-01 17:27:48	demonicmaniac1	al1r4d: are you using h264ify?
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2024-05-01 17:28:36	mewt	all the links for how disable smartinstall are dead, since hplip appears to have been subsumed somehow
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2024-05-01 17:28:50	Scimmia	I seem to recall something about not using hardware decoding for anything 720p and below, too?
2024-05-01 17:28:57	al1r4d	demonicmaniac1, yes i'm
2024-05-01 17:29:03	gromit	I can also just move it
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2024-05-01 17:29:50	al1r4d	Scimmia, hmm
2024-05-01 17:30:03	al1r4d	demonicmaniac1, are you able to turn on vaapi on chromium?
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2024-05-01 17:30:30	teraflops	hmm if I get this: 00:00:00.369kVideoDecoderName"VaapiVideoDecoder" it is decoding video using vaapi?
2024-05-01 17:30:33	demonicmaniac1	al1r4d: i don't have my ivy machine running at the moment it's been a while
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2024-05-01 17:30:52	al1r4d	teraflops, i dont know
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2024-05-01 17:30:54	demonicmaniac1	it definitely did video transcode on amber at least a few weeks ago
2024-05-01 17:30:55	al1r4d	demonicmaniac1, hmm, okay
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2024-05-01 17:31:33	demonicmaniac1	again tho - i specifically moved to mesa amber and using i965 and LIBVA_DRM something dri2 so that i could also use mpv with vo vaapi
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2024-05-01 17:40:52	teraflops	al1r4d: to check if chromium is doing hw video decoding you have to check in here: chrome://media-internals/
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2024-05-01 17:42:30	teraflops	... while playing a video
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2024-05-01 17:52:53	tirnanog	it can also be done by inspecting the Media tab of the Developer Tools. I think it's clearer that way.
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2024-05-01 17:53:13	teraflops	oh let me check
2024-05-01 17:53:56	tirnanog	less to wade through then there's a handy dandy "Hardware decoder" field upon selecting the correct stream.
2024-05-01 17:56:10	teraflops	hmm I do not have the media tab
2024-05-01 17:56:20	mewt	guess foo2zjs is what I need
2024-05-01 17:56:49	teraflops	wow I founf it
2024-05-01 17:57:00	teraflops	tirnanog: it is very very hidden ;)
2024-05-01 17:57:11	tirnanog	yeah
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2024-05-01 18:19:20	androidui_	as i tried    ./configure   --prefix=$R --host=$(/home/user/foo/config.guess) --build=x86_64-w64-mingw32 --target=x86_64-w64-mingw32     but it still builds host packages
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2024-05-01 18:19:46	mewt	foo2zjs seems to have a bit of a checkered history but things are working, so I'll leave it at that
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2024-05-01 18:20:52	mewt	didn't need hplip in the end, but it's good to know the procedure, so thanks
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2024-05-01 18:26:03	furrykef	Got my PC back up and running, finally. Thanks, guys.
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2024-05-01 18:31:14	mewt	./33
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2024-05-01 18:34:06	androidui_	i have   gcc    and    x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc
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2024-05-01 18:47:19	delzur	Hey there, I'm having some trouble installing base-devel, dependency resolution goes well, but install fails with: `error: failed to commit transaction (could not find or read package)`. I could not find that error in the troubleshooting section in pacman. I tried updating my mirror list and doing full upgrades to no avail. Any pointer? (packages
2024-05-01 18:47:20	delzur	to install: bison-3.8.2-6  debugedit-5.0-5  base-devel-1-1)
2024-05-01 18:48:00	thurstylark	delzur: a good start is to look at the pacman log. You mind sharing?
2024-05-01 18:50:48	delzur	!paste
2024-05-01 18:50:48	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-05-01 18:52:00	delzur	thurs4212933291https://paste.rs/dNJ9J.txt I don't think it's going to help though! Maybe I should enable some flags?
2024-05-01 18:52:01	phrik	Title: Source Code | dNJ9J | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
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2024-05-01 18:53:01	thurstylark	delzur: can you post the full log please? 
2024-05-01 18:53:02	Scimmia	delzur: start with the full pacman output. If that doesn't do it, we'll need it with --debug, but that's a lot
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2024-05-01 18:54:47	thurstylark	ahh, whups s/log/output :P
2024-05-01 18:55:09	⚡ 	thurstylark is still waking up :P
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2024-05-01 18:55:24	delzur	Ah, I was confused because that's all there was. Anyway here it is: https://paste.rs/qRsaO.txt
2024-05-01 18:55:25	phrik	Title: Source Code | qRsaO | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-05-01 18:56:01	thurstylark	ah, it's a keyring issue
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2024-05-01 18:56:15	delzur	I updated as I though this was the cause
2024-05-01 18:56:21	delzur	Let me try again
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2024-05-01 18:56:57	delzur	Didn't help (installed: archlinux-keyring-20240429-1)
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2024-05-01 18:57:37	Scimmia	almost seems like a cachedir issue
2024-05-01 18:58:19	Scimmia	pastepacman
2024-05-01 18:58:27	Scimmia	!pastepacman
2024-05-01 18:58:27	phrik	LC_ALL=C pacman --debug <your pacman options> |& tee >(curl -F 'file=@-' 0x0.st)
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2024-05-01 19:03:38	delzur	http://0x0.st/XXcO.bin
2024-05-01 19:03:39	delzur	Seems like debugedit is found in cache for dependency resolution, then not found when installing. Although tbh I'm not sure what I'm reading here :)
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2024-05-01 19:06:32	thurstylark	well... does something actually exist in your cache named after that package?
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2024-05-01 19:06:59	Scimmia	ah, you have a .part file from a failed download
2024-05-01 19:07:06	Scimmia	delete that from the cache
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2024-05-01 19:08:41	Scimmia	and unrelated, but
2024-05-01 19:08:43	delzur	Oh, nice, you were right. Went right through! Thanks :)
2024-05-01 19:08:46	Scimmia	!give delzur pacnew
2024-05-01 19:08:46	phrik	delzur: Take care of your .pacnew and .pacsave files! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Pacnew_and_Pacsave
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2024-05-01 19:12:30	delzur	27 of them :x
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2024-05-01 19:12:31	delzur	Had no idea, thanks
2024-05-01 19:13:04	Scimmia	I noticed you still have the community repo which hasn't existed for almost a year
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2024-05-01 19:14:11	thurstylark	if you want something to help with that, there are several ways to alert to their existence automatically
2024-05-01 19:14:21	thurstylark	fwiw I use a hook https://git.thurstylark.com/thurstylark/tl-archconfig/src/branch/master/tl-pacdiff.hook
2024-05-01 19:14:23	phrik	Title: tl-archconfig/tl-pacdiff.hook at master - tl-archconfig - Gitea (at git.thurstylark.com)
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2024-05-01 19:18:43	delzur	Indeed, I had a pacman.conf.new. I've been using arch without knowing for year :x
2024-05-01 19:18:43	delzur	Now I'll read more carefully the output even when it goes well. And if it looks like I'm not able to, I'll go with additional help like the hook :D
2024-05-01 19:19:14	delzur	Now to resolve all of them.
2024-05-01 19:19:26	thurstylark	pacdiff is your friend :P
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2024-05-01 19:20:31	jens_	hiii i'm having odd problems with my super key, sometimes it doesn't seem to register i'm pressing it and i'm not sure if the problem is on the software or hardware side of things... any ideas on how to troubleshoot this? i might add i'm on sway
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2024-05-01 19:20:45	delzur	I went with vimdiff, is pacdiff really more practical?
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2024-05-01 19:21:25	thurstylark	delzur: pacdiff just iterates through all the .pacnews it can find and then puts it into vimdiff, so... yes? 
2024-05-01 19:21:33	thurstylark	they're not competitors, one uses the other
2024-05-01 19:21:39	teraflops	delzur: run wev and start pressing it like a possessed to see if it's missing some hits 
2024-05-01 19:21:49	teraflops	oops I meant jens_ 
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2024-05-01 19:22:08	delzur	Ah yeah, so it's a combination of the find command and starting vimdiff for you, cool !
2024-05-01 19:22:13	thurstylark	yup
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2024-05-01 19:23:48	jens_	teraflops: thanks it seems to do miss some... so it's a hardware problem eek i'm not sure how to fix this
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2024-05-01 19:30:29	teraflops	jens_: any weird noise or feeling when pressing the key?
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2024-05-01 19:35:15	jens_	teraflops: nay
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2024-05-01 19:36:38	espresso	jens_: maybe try cleaning with some air.. Ultimately, most keyboards can, with some care, be opened and cleaned with tools like screwdriver/key-puller/cloth/swab/water/alc
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2024-05-01 19:49:07	jens_	espresso: thank you, i just pray i won't have to send my laptop back to the manufacturer (which is on another continent ehehe)
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2024-05-01 20:42:30	lmat	I'm trying to run Age of Empires II Definitive Edition through Steam (https://steamcommunity.com/app/813780). It looks like others have done it: https://steamcommunity.com/app/813780/discussions/3/2260186248422852566/. I set "Compatibility" "Proton Experimental", and now the game sort of runs, but I get "Unable to find a graphics accelerator with DirectX 11 support." Maybe I failed to install
2024-05-01 20:42:30	lmat	something 
2024-05-01 20:42:32	phrik	Title: Steam Community (at steamcommunity.com)
2024-05-01 20:42:36	lmat	required? "Wine tricks" comes up a lot; is that necessary with Proton?
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2024-05-01 20:45:21	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-01 20:45:21	ℹ 	Topic set by phrik (~phrik@phrik.archlinux.org) on Sat, 10 Feb 2024 18:25:44
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2024-05-01 20:45:30	demure	have you already read through the protondb page? thats were I would start for steam comparability troubleshooting
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2024-05-01 20:47:30	thurstylark	Yeah, I would start there. there seems to be several suggestions on how to get it running under proton worth trying
2024-05-01 20:48:34	lmat	You know... I should pacman -Syu and restart first!
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2024-05-01 21:07:31	andr01d	Hola, quick user space network question: I'm running 'netstat -4 -tcp -n -l' to list listening ports, but netstat doesn't exit, as if -c is used, but it's not. Anyone able to say why --continuous seems to be the default? Thanks!
2024-05-01 21:08:27	lmat	andr01d: ss -antl; ?
2024-05-01 21:08:33	tirnanog	andr01d: consider what -tcp really means.
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2024-05-01 21:09:08	lmat	andr01d: Oh "netstat doesn't exit" I thought you said "netstat doesn't exist".
2024-05-01 21:09:10	tirnanog	it's no different to writing -t -c -p
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2024-05-01 21:09:26	andr01d	Oops, should have been --tcp. Thanks! That's where I went wrong...
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2024-05-01 21:10:58	gutamanele69	hi chat
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2024-05-01 21:34:25	edgy	Hi, ocrmypdf --help shows error: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'ocrmypdf' . I tried to remove and reinstall from aur but still same issue, I am not sure whether this is an upstream bug or packager bug or is it something from my side
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2024-05-01 21:36:10	choix	I want to downgrade bluez to version 5.66. I downloaded the .tar.zst and I'm assuming I just use the pacman -U command in the same directory and pacman takes care of downgrading the dependencies? I'm reading this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Downgrading_packages#Using_the_pacman_cache
2024-05-01 21:36:11	phrik	Title: Downgrading packages - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-01 21:36:11	another|	did you rebuild after python 3.12 ?
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2024-05-01 21:36:46	Namarrgon	choix: No, you have to downgrade the dependencies manually, too.
2024-05-01 21:37:10	choix	Ok, thanks.
2024-05-01 21:37:16	Namarrgon	The mirrors don't contain the old packages, so pacman can't do that this way.
2024-05-01 21:37:36	choix	ok
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2024-05-01 21:46:07	edgy	another|: isn't removing and reinstalling means I rebuild?
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2024-05-01 21:48:55	teraflops	edgy: pacman -Qo /usr/lib/python3.11
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2024-05-01 21:59:40	choix	bluez depends on systemd-libs  dbus  glib2  alsa-lib  glibc, so downgrading all that doesn't seem like a good idea, right? Also, the 'pacman -Qi' or 'pacman 'Si' doesn't give me the versions of those packages. bluez 5.66 came out 2022/11/14. Is a safer way to downgrade the kernel to a version before that date?
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2024-05-01 22:01:15	choix	Maybe I should just buy another bluetooth dongle?
2024-05-01 22:01:45	choix	I have the TP-Link UB500.
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2024-05-01 22:09:43	edgy	teraflops: Indeed, that command reveals ocrmypdf is still using python 3.11
2024-05-01 22:10:14	edgy	teraflops: then how am I supposed to rebuild it? paru -S doesn't do this too
2024-05-01 22:10:49	Namarrgon	choix: Why are you downgrading bluez?
2024-05-01 22:12:37	Namarrgon	edgy: Do you remember how to use makepkg?
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2024-05-01 22:12:59	edgy	Namarrgon: yes, but can't I do this with aur helpers instead?
2024-05-01 22:13:15	Namarrgon	edgy: You apparently can not.
2024-05-01 22:13:32	edgy	Namarrgon: strange! ok will try makepkg ...
2024-05-01 22:14:42	Namarrgon	edgy: Have you looked at paru's manual?
2024-05-01 22:15:18	edgy	Namarrgon: I am looking paru -B build but not sure how to use it
2024-05-01 22:17:07	edgy	Namarrgon: the pointo of using paru or similar helpers is not download manually, so I am trying to figure out how to do it ....
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2024-05-01 22:17:40	choix	Namarrgon: I get error messages when I check the status with: 'sudo systemctl status bluetooth.service' Here are some links: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=295198  https://github.com/bluez/bluez/issues/821
2024-05-01 22:17:41	phrik	Title: May I get help triaging journalctl errors (config related, fw, kernel) / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-05-01 22:18:09	choix	Maybe I should just buy a new dongle?
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2024-05-01 22:18:30	Namarrgon	choix: Is something actually not working or are you just worried about messages in the logs?
2024-05-01 22:18:58	edgy	Namarrgon: ok I did it now in two steps, -G, then -Bi
2024-05-01 22:19:08	choix	Namarrgon: I can't pair my headphones. I turn the bluetooth on in Gnome, and they are turned off right after.
2024-05-01 22:19:29	Namarrgon	choix: Is this a new issue?
2024-05-01 22:19:38	choix	I never used bluetooth before. 
2024-05-01 22:20:04	Namarrgon	choix: Are you sure it's not a configuration issue?
2024-05-01 22:20:20	edgy	teraflops, Namarrgon: thanks so much for your help
2024-05-01 22:20:47	choix	Namarrgon: I have no idea. Where would I read about this? What can you tell me about this?
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2024-05-01 22:21:11	choix	Namarrgon: Configuration of the headphones?
2024-05-01 22:21:17	choix	Or in general?
2024-05-01 22:21:44	choix	I'm guessing it's the general bluez config.
2024-05-01 22:21:48	Namarrgon	choix: Explain what you have tried and the logs that show the failure and someone might be able to guide you. Blindly downgrading is unlikely to fix your issue.
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2024-05-01 22:24:12	choix	!paste
2024-05-01 22:24:12	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-05-01 22:28:30	choix	$ sudo systemctl status bluetooth.service output posted: https://bpa.st/2GJQ
2024-05-01 22:28:30	phrik	Title: View paste 2GJQ (at bpa.st)
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2024-05-01 22:28:52	choix	I'm guessing that's bad...
2024-05-01 22:29:08	choix	But it is "Running"... So it's confusing.
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2024-05-01 22:30:24	Namarrgon	choix: Have you tried to pair them with bluetoothctl?
2024-05-01 22:30:37	choix	Namarrgon: Yes
2024-05-01 22:30:47	Namarrgon	What errors are you getting there?
2024-05-01 22:31:07	choix	I will get back to you on that...
2024-05-01 22:31:26	Namarrgon	Are you using pipewire or pulseaudio?
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2024-05-01 22:32:32	choix	Namarrgon: I think I'm using pipewire because the install is only a few weeks old.
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2024-05-01 22:33:02	choix	pulseaudio is not one of the packages I explicitly installed.
2024-05-01 22:33:34	choix	I installed gnome, so whatever comes with that, which is pipewire, I think.
2024-05-01 22:33:44	edgy	teraflops, Namarrgon: I now found there is paru --rebuild I didn't know about it
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2024-05-01 22:34:11	teraflops	yeah, know your tools
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2024-05-01 22:34:45	teraflops	choix: is bluetooth.service enabled and running?
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2024-05-01 22:42:27	choix	Namarrgon: I can use the Gnome Settings to see the headphones (I tried two Sennheiser different models). The GUI says they are paired, but when I try to connect, it gets disconnected soon after.
2024-05-01 22:43:40	Namarrgon	choix: Do you see corresponding events in the bluetooth.service journal when that happens?
2024-05-01 22:45:17	choix	Namarrgon: Yes. There's several [DEL] events in red. I guessing there's one or two for every attempt.
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2024-05-01 22:47:59	choix	Namarrgon: I will try to connect on the [bluetooth]# prompt using the MAC address.
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2024-05-01 22:52:13	choix	Namarrgon: I use 'scan on' and the headphones are trying to pair, but now both  bluetooth prompt and the Gnome Settings don't show the headphones.
2024-05-01 22:52:21	teraflops	choix: you could have aterminal running journalctl -u bluetooth.service -f  while pairing the device to see errors in real time
2024-05-01 22:52:37	choix	Thanks
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2024-05-01 22:54:52	choix	teraflops: I get the same sorts of error messages as I posted in the pastebin when I use the journalctl command you suggested: https://bpa.st/2GJQ
2024-05-01 22:54:52	phrik	Title: View paste 2GJQ (at bpa.st)
2024-05-01 22:55:55	teraflops	I said journalctl -u bluetooth
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2024-05-01 22:56:11	teraflops	that is systemctl status output
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2024-05-01 22:59:45	choix	Anyway... I'm done for today. Thanks Namarrgon and teraflops for the help. I'll be back, I guess.
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2024-05-01 23:00:05	teraflops	!prev
2024-05-01 23:00:06	phrik	Another unsatisfied customer! PREV!
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2024-05-01 23:01:17	Namarrgon	The opposite of NEXT
2024-05-01 23:01:31	aldcor	hi, hackers! Does 20-nvidia.conf.save file overrides /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? or they both can be used at the same time ?
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2024-05-01 23:03:22	gehidore	.save file does nothing afaik
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2024-05-01 23:03:41	teraflops	aldcor: looks like a leftover
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2024-05-01 23:04:39	teraflops	where is the file, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ?
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2024-05-01 23:06:36	aldcor	yes it is in xorg.conf.d and if I don't have .save file then game is not even starting
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2024-05-01 23:07:16	aldcor	more precisely, it starts but freezes. if I have .save file then it runs smooth but I got terrible screen tearing in firefox
2024-05-01 23:08:16	teraflops	then it looks like whatever the name of the file is, it gets applied
2024-05-01 23:08:32	teraflops	I mean in that folder
2024-05-01 23:09:10	teraflops	aldcor: the extension f the file is a bit missleading
2024-05-01 23:09:15	teraflops	of
2024-05-01 23:09:31	BertoX	!ping
2024-05-01 23:09:32	phrik	pong
2024-05-01 23:09:52	aldcor	the .conf.save was given by `nvidia-inst` program
2024-05-01 23:10:21	aldcor	i mean it said to manually rename .conf file to conf.save
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2024-05-01 23:10:58	teraflops	aldcor: nvidia installer? you are not using repo packages?
2024-05-01 23:11:29	aldcor	yes
2024-05-01 23:11:52	BertoX	!ping
2024-05-01 23:11:52	phrik	pong
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2024-05-01 23:12:11	teraflops	aldcor: how did you install nvidia drivers?
2024-05-01 23:12:30	aldcor	with nvidia-inst - it takes care of them
2024-05-01 23:12:40	teraflops	idk what that is sorry
2024-05-01 23:12:51	teraflops	is that an arch linux package?
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2024-05-01 23:13:21	aldcor	huh.. after reboot it seems like firefox has no screen tearing anymore making this even more confusing
2024-05-01 23:13:24	aldcor	i still have .save file
2024-05-01 23:13:51	mewt	got a new fun bug -- pulseview instantly crashes on start with "Exception:generic/unspecified error"
2024-05-01 23:14:02	mewt	let me get the full output when I launch from console
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2024-05-01 23:14:24	aldcor	teraflops: it is aur
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2024-05-01 23:14:33	mewt	https://bpa.st/ZOZA
2024-05-01 23:14:34	phrik	Title: View paste ZOZA (at bpa.st)
2024-05-01 23:14:51	mewt	simply won't stay up at all now
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2024-05-01 23:15:16	teraflops	aldcor: installing nvidia drivers is just a short command, idk what that uar package does honestly
2024-05-01 23:15:27	teraflops	aur^
2024-05-01 23:15:48	aldcor	ok, well for now everything works as expected
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2024-05-01 23:15:57	aldcor	somehow solved by reboo
2024-05-01 23:15:59	aldcor	t
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2024-05-01 23:19:34	mewt	clean settings works to start it, guess one window must be bad
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2024-05-02 05:32:41	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-02 01:49:26	BertoX_	Is the wiki uptodate for openldap ?
2024-05-02 01:49:46	BertoX_	I juste follwed the doc but I have a strange error with slapd
2024-05-02 01:52:08	BertoX_	c/c the config.ldif (replacing $PASSWD and $BASEDN with expected values), then  running slapadd -n 0 -F /etc/openldap/slapd.d/ -l /etc/openldap/config.ldif gives me this error :
2024-05-02 01:52:21	BertoX_	slapadd: could not add entry dn="cn=config" (line=1):  "c;�
2024-05-02 01:52:21	BertoX_	Closing DB...
2024-05-02 01:52:57	BertoX_	(the strange chars at the end of message changes each time I try the slapd command)
2024-05-02 01:55:45	espresso	BertoX_: #archlinux-wiki should be able to help with some of that
2024-05-02 01:57:49	espresso	related? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=278764
2024-05-02 01:57:49	phrik	Title: OpenLDAP: slapadd: could not add entry dn="cn=config" / Applications & Desktop Environments / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-05-02 01:58:17	al1r4d	teraflops: error	"VaapiVideoDecoder: failed Initialize()ing the frame pool"
2024-05-02 01:58:21	al1r4d	hmm
2024-05-02 01:59:31	BertoX_	hmmm
2024-05-02 01:59:43	BertoX_	Resintalled the vm, and it worked first time ... 
2024-05-02 01:59:45	BertoX_	thx guys
2024-05-02 04:16:52	damarusama	trying to run minecraft I get a version error in my java
2024-05-02 04:16:59	damarusama	class file version 65.0
2024-05-02 04:17:13	damarusama	not sure what java runtime I shoudl install / re-install ?
2024-05-02 04:18:09	ell	Are you trying to run 1.20.5+? They've upped the runtime to use Java 21 now.
2024-05-02 04:18:39	damarusama	but it seems like I have 22 installed?
2024-05-02 04:18:51	ell	What launcher are you using for Minecraft?
2024-05-02 04:19:16	damarusama	minecraftd for the server
2024-05-02 04:19:33	ell	When you run `archlinux-java status`, which runtime is shown as (default)?
2024-05-02 04:19:49	damarusama	oh I see, ok, I've put the default to 22, it was on 8
2024-05-02 04:19:56	ell	That'll do it
2024-05-02 04:20:58	damarusama	yep that works
2024-05-02 04:21:17	damarusama	and the default keyring that it's trying to unlock, my root password is not working with that... 
2024-05-02 04:21:28	damarusama	how do I reset my default keyring ?
2024-05-02 04:21:40	damarusama	sorry I haven't looked into that at all as I just cancel it each time
2024-05-02 04:25:33	damarusama	looking into seashore to play with the gnome keyring
2024-05-02 04:25:36	damarusama	thanks! 
2024-05-02 04:25:38	damarusama	all good now
2024-05-02 05:10:10	breezboy	I am trying to play civilization 5, but every time I open the game it crashes. I have tried using LD_PRELOAD per the wiki, but that is not working. https://bpa.st/QTLA
2024-05-02 05:10:10	phrik	Title: View paste QTLA (at bpa.st)
2024-05-02 05:20:31	edu4rdshl	breezboy, did you mind to check https://www.protondb.com/app/8930 ?
2024-05-02 05:21:18	edu4rdshl	Also, how have you set LD_PRELOAD and where
2024-05-02 05:23:03	edu4rdshl	I saw your command, nvm
2024-05-02 05:23:31	edu4rdshl	Not sure if it has the same effect as setting it on the launch options using the steam gui
2024-05-02 05:31:46	breezboy	I tried running Civ 5 with proton , but that did not work as well. I also set ldpreload in the steam gui
2024-05-02 05:32:03	breezboy	*proton 8
2024-05-02 05:32:36	breezboy	wait nvm. It's working. Thanks!
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2024-05-02 05:35:59	teraflops	civ 5 <3
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2024-05-02 05:39:29	edu4rdshl	breezboy, nice :)
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2024-05-02 05:40:00	edu4rdshl	Is Civ 5 a kind of AoE or something?
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2024-05-02 05:40:45	kode54	someone on that protondb page says Civ5 is native
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2024-05-02 05:41:17	kode54	I know that Vampire Survivors is native, and only lists as non-native because the vendor opted not to list their product as Linux compatible, even though they have a Linux depot
2024-05-02 05:41:34	◥	cmc (~methos@gateway/tor-sasl/cmc) has joined #archlinux
2024-05-02 05:41:47	kode54	some other vendors have Linux depots that are either empty or have non-working versions uploaded
2024-05-02 05:42:06	kode54	Vampire Survivors is an exception to that, it has a working Linux version
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2024-05-02 05:42:21	kode54	has been since the Unity port launched
2024-05-02 05:42:55	kode54	prior to that, it was just an embedded browser running a web game from local files
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2024-05-02 05:49:08	teraflops	civ 5 is not native but it works very well using proton and setting it to experimental
2024-05-02 05:49:43	teraflops	edu4rdshl: it's turn-based sttategy
2024-05-02 05:51:11	edu4rdshl	teraflops, thanks!
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2024-05-02 06:01:41	Gnana	installing steam from pacman is better or installing it from flatpak?
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2024-05-02 06:02:39	virtualsid	I'm using it from the standard repos I think, and it's fine.
2024-05-02 06:02:45	virtualsid	what would be 'better'?
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2024-05-02 06:16:45	Gnana	okay 
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2024-05-02 08:03:39	inderix	Heya! I've been trying to get a fingerprint sensor working on my Thinkpad Yoga 260 (The sensor itself appears as "Bus 001 Device 010: ID 138a:0090 Validity Sensors, Inc. VFS7500 Touch Fingerprint Sensor" in lsusb), but I've run into a pile of issues with trying to make it play nice. According to the ArchWiki page for this machine it should be supported with libfprint, so I installed that, with
2024-05-02 08:03:39	inderix	no dice, so I tried to initalize it with validity
2024-05-02 08:03:41	inderix	-sensors-tools from the AUR, that gives me a bunch of errors complaining that the flash on the sensor is already partitioned, and fails to initalize the sensor.  Any ideas on where I should look to get this thing sorted?
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2024-05-02 08:05:52	inderix	Log from running "sudo validity-sensors-tools -t initializer": https://bpa.st/PNZA
2024-05-02 08:05:53	phrik	Title: View paste PNZA (at bpa.st)
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2024-05-02 08:07:06	inderix	I also tried python-validity (https://github.com/uunicorn/python-validity?tab=readme-ov-file#python-validity) to no avail either. 
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2024-05-02 08:08:17	demonicmaniac1	inderix: have you checked the comments on the aur page for validity-sensor-tools?
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2024-05-02 08:10:44	demonicmaniac1	the str vs byte in your log seems to indicate it wants to write some error message due to some not compatible/missing/outdated dependencies
2024-05-02 08:11:18	inderix	Ah, I see. I'll uninstall, tweak the pkgbuild and see what it does then
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2024-05-02 08:12:44	demonicmaniac1	alternatively if you did use the python-validity directly did you make sure to install all from the requirements.txt and do the python factory-reset.py before python pair.py
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2024-05-02 08:17:29	inderix	So I uninstalled validity-sensor-tools and on a whim tried python-validity, looks like I'm a step in the right direction since it picked up the sensor but now just immedietely fails to enroll a fingerprint
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2024-05-02 08:24:12	inderix	hmm, so it seems my fingerprint reader is just one that's just annoying to work with I guess, since I've found a libfprint fork that specifically is for this sensor: https://github.com/3v1n0/libfprint/blob/vfs0090/README.md
2024-05-02 08:24:54	inderix	Now the issue is that the AUR package it mentions... doesn't exist anymore :(
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2024-05-02 08:26:14	inderix	oh, nope I'm just terrible at searching, it just goes by a different name, libfprint-vfs009x-git
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2024-05-02 11:54:25	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-02 12:44:10	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-02 13:30:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-02 17:52:20	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-02 17:52:20	ℹ 	Topic set by phrik (~phrik@phrik.archlinux.org) on Sat, 10 Feb 2024 18:25:44
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2024-05-02 18:04:42	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-02 18:04:42	ℹ 	Topic set by phrik (~phrik@phrik.archlinux.org) on Sat, 10 Feb 2024 18:25:44
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2024-05-02 18:06:38	gehidore	http://0x0.st/XX2_.jpg Earnestly like this?
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2024-05-02 18:07:04	Earnestly	gehidore: No, like winamp
2024-05-02 18:07:04	rawhide	Family Guy!
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2024-05-02 18:08:51	KDDLB	cool hwip
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2024-05-02 18:11:19	low-key	trying to get a pfsense vm running on virtualbox on arch with a bridged network 
2024-05-02 18:11:43	low-key	i have manually loaded vboxnetflt and vboxnetadp 
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2024-05-02 18:12:52	low-key	attempting to install pfsense however results in a "cannot verify eligibility of this system" error which the pfsense installation guide says is a connectivity error
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2024-05-02 18:14:16	edu4rdshl	Pretty sure that's not related to connectivity
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2024-05-02 18:14:37	edu4rdshl	It's more about checking hardware requirements or something 
2024-05-02 18:15:49	low-key	on the host system?
2024-05-02 18:16:02	edu4rdshl	Well https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/install/netinstaller.html#ineligible-device-prompt says that the message is different
2024-05-02 18:16:03	phrik	Title: Installing and Upgrading — Online Network Installer | pfSense Documentation (at docs.netgate.com)
2024-05-02 18:16:10	low-key	connectivity isn't an issue there and when i pick the option for a bridged network, the host's network interface does show up
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2024-05-02 18:16:57	low-key	the message i'm referring to is the one that's in the yellow warning box in that page
2024-05-02 18:17:25	low-key	the error that shows up when the installer is unable to contact netgate servers
2024-05-02 18:18:17	edu4rdshl	Did you validate https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/install/netinstaller.html#confirm-network-configuration
2024-05-02 18:18:18	phrik	Title: Installing and Upgrading — Online Network Installer | pfSense Documentation (at docs.netgate.com)
2024-05-02 18:18:39	edu4rdshl	> The default settings are a DHCP client WAN, static IP Address LAN on 192.168.1.1/24 with DHCP server enabled on LAN from 192.168.1.100 to 192.168.1.150
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2024-05-02 18:19:30	Aryan	can sb who knows bash contribute to archlinux?
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2024-05-02 18:19:52	edu4rdshl	What
2024-05-02 18:20:12	jelle	Aryan: what do you want to contribute too?
2024-05-02 18:20:34	Aryan	not aur, developing archlinux tools and the distro itself.
2024-05-02 18:20:46	low-key	i'll check!
2024-05-02 18:21:04	jelle	Aryan: devtools and pacman-contrib and pacman have bash
2024-05-02 18:21:07	Aryan	jelle, I noticed some tools are written in bash, like pkgctl.
2024-05-02 18:21:52	Aryan	but i don't know how to start
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2024-05-02 18:22:21	Aryan	I hardly understand it.
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2024-05-02 18:22:36	gog	https://github.com/orgs/archlinux/repositories find a repo, find an issue, submit a PR
2024-05-02 18:23:14	jelle	Aryan: it's also not a great bash project :-)
2024-05-02 18:23:14	low-key	um, what exactly do you mean by validate? i have the wan's interface mode set to DHCP (client)
2024-05-02 18:23:27	low-key	and the rest match what the site says too
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2024-05-02 18:24:30	Aryan	gog, nice. thanks.
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2024-05-02 18:37:01	hseg	Computer froze once more, audio stopped and it was unresponsive. Thankfully, it responded to REISUB. Where can I look for more information to try diagnosing the issue?
2024-05-02 18:37:21	Earnestly	'S' should have written logs, potentially
2024-05-02 18:37:23	hseg	(Most significant load was that I was compiling two packages simultaneously)
2024-05-02 18:37:41	Earnestly	But yes, normal linux behaviour under heavy io - this has always been a problem
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2024-05-02 18:39:19	hseg	where should I look for logs?
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2024-05-02 18:39:38	Earnestly	Previous boot
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2024-05-02 18:41:12	Earnestly	All you can do is tweak things like dirty bytes; more extreme is disabling overcommit ime
2024-05-02 18:42:11	hseg	ah, seems consistent with the last relevant-looking thing in journalctl -xb -1:
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2024-05-02 18:42:27	hseg	kernel: BUG: unable to handle page fault for address: 00000000002648d9
2024-05-02 18:42:29	hseg	kernel: #PF: supervisor read access in kernel mode
2024-05-02 18:42:31	hseg	kernel: #PF: error_code(0x0000) - not-present page
2024-05-02 18:42:33	hseg	kernel: PGD 0 P4D 0 
2024-05-02 18:42:35	hseg	kernel: Oops: 0000 [#1] PREEMPT SMP PTI
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2024-05-02 18:50:37	hseg	different problem: ever since I merged my /var partition into /, I can't hibernate anymore
2024-05-02 18:50:50	hseg	I get Call to Hibernate failed: Not enough suitable swap space for hibernation available on compatible block devices and file systems
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2024-05-02 18:51:48	hseg	even though /sys/power/image_size is 6636191744 and swapon --bytes shows /var/cache/hibernate file 6658453504    0   -2
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2024-05-02 19:07:04	teraflops	vm.dirty_ratio and vm.dirty_background_ratio values are percentages of the actual amount of ram?
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2024-05-02 19:08:09	hseg	where do I check them?
2024-05-02 19:08:46	teraflops	it is not clear to me here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/sysctl what is the actual values, MB GB %?
2024-05-02 19:08:47	phrik	Title: sysctl - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-02 19:10:00	demonicmaniac1	teraflops: percent, vm_dirty_ratio_bytes is in bytes 
2024-05-02 19:10:14	demonicmaniac1	you set either the one without _bytes as percent or the _bytes for bytes
2024-05-02 19:10:23	teraflops	thanks!
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2024-05-02 19:12:01	teraflops	hseg: e.g sysctl vm.dirty_ratio
2024-05-02 19:12:08	hseg	suggestions in re systemd complaining my hibernation swapfile is too small to hibernate to?
2024-05-02 19:12:11	hseg	teraflops: ah, ok
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2024-05-02 19:17:24	espresso	hseg: you might try swap size RAM + <2 or more> GB
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2024-05-02 19:18:16	hseg	but it's already larger than /sys/power/image_size
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2024-05-02 19:30:00	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-02 19:29:56	another|	image_size is just an attempted goal
2024-05-02 19:30:04	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-05-02 19:32:16	hseg	ah, ok. So what size *should* the swap file be?
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2024-05-02 19:39:10	another|	That highly depends on your use case
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2024-05-02 19:32:16	hseg	ah, ok. So what size *should* the swap file be?
2024-05-02 19:39:10	another|	That highly depends on your use case
2024-05-02 19:39:41	Tom^	teraflops: one can also set per device limits too
2024-05-02 19:39:51	hseg	Meaning?
2024-05-02 19:39:52	MacGyver	hseg: If you expect to always be able to hibernate in any situation, RAM size.
2024-05-02 19:40:13	MacGyver	hseg: If that is unrealistic, somewhere between image target size and that.
2024-05-02 19:40:25	MacGyver	hseg: TIAS very much applies here.
2024-05-02 19:40:32	Tom^	teraflops: i got a ~2gb write i/o cache, but each device only got at most 70% of that cache.
2024-05-02 19:40:37	hseg	OK, will try bumping the size
2024-05-02 19:41:06	Tom^	teraflops: and usb sticks ~100mb just because file transfers think its done in a second otherwise while its flushing in the background :p
2024-05-02 19:41:36	MacGyver	I wonder whether having zram and zswap in use might actually make it s.t. most systems under memory pressure *can't* hibernate with just 2/5ths of RAM size swap files anymore.
2024-05-02 19:41:47	MacGyver	Because the pages are already compressed in memory.
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2024-05-02 19:43:32	teraflops	Tom^: I see
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2024-05-02 19:46:07	hseg	... and computer crashed, not even responding to REISUB
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2024-05-02 19:47:29	hseg	any way I can programmatically get the RAM size?
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2024-05-02 19:47:57	hseg	so that I can patch https://0x0.st/XXLr.sh to give the correct swapfile size
2024-05-02 19:48:20	NoImNotNineVolt	hseg: /usr/bin/free ?
2024-05-02 19:48:48	NoImNotNineVolt	hseg: or cat /proc/meminfo ?
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2024-05-02 19:49:48	hseg	ty. neither have a particularly nice-to-parse format, afaict?
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2024-05-02 19:51:37	hseg	ah nm, cat /proc/meminfo | awk '$1 ~ /MemTotal/ { print $2 }' works
2024-05-02 19:52:04	astralc	hmm... steam broken with the new lib32-glibc
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2024-05-02 19:54:40	NoImNotNineVolt	that's cleaner than the cut|awk|cut i was doing
2024-05-02 19:54:48	⚡ 	NoImNotNineVolt should learn awk
2024-05-02 19:54:56	astralc	I downgraded to 2.39-2 to see if it was it (it was)
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2024-05-02 19:55:08	hseg	awk is fun
2024-05-02 19:55:37	astralc	(and I have the installer usb ready, just in case I borked something)
2024-05-02 19:55:52	NoImNotNineVolt	i dunno. i always used to just |perl to do anything beyond the simplest manipulations.
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2024-05-02 19:59:18	heat	astralc, even with the steam runtime?
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2024-05-02 19:59:32	astralc	both runtime and native
2024-05-02 19:59:38	heat	crap :|
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2024-05-02 19:59:50	necercis	heat: just checked that and even with runtime it breaks
2024-05-02 20:00:06	heat	i'd think with the steam runtime it'd stop any kind of breakage wrt system libraries
2024-05-02 20:00:07	heat	guess not
2024-05-02 20:03:28	teraflops	phrik: give NoImNotNineVolt awkmusic
2024-05-02 20:03:29	phrik	NoImNotNineVolt: http://kmkeen.com/awk-music/
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2024-05-02 20:05:13	demonicmaniac1	heat: i mean you still have steam itself plus steampi.so and what not
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2024-05-02 20:16:15	Maddie	I can run yay -Syu to update all AUR packages installed thru yay, how does yay know what packages I have installed thru it? Where is that information stored?
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2024-05-02 20:16:53	Maddie	Better yet, what is the yay eqivulent of pacman -Qs
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2024-05-02 20:17:53	hseg	ok, so I've increased my swapfile to a whopping 16GB, and systemctl *still* refuses to hibernate
2024-05-02 20:18:02	teraflops	Maddie: yay -Syu updates all aur pakages plus all repo packages
2024-05-02 20:18:19	Namarrgon	Maddie: pacman only knows two package states: "currently found in a repo" and "currently not found in a repo". yay uses the later to check for updates.
2024-05-02 20:18:36	Maddie	Oh so it just asuems all packages from -Qm are in the AUR?
2024-05-02 20:18:37	astralc	Maddie: it check for non repo packages, comparing to aur in
2024-05-02 20:18:40	astralc	pacman -Qm
2024-05-02 20:18:54	Maddie	Alright thanks.
2024-05-02 20:18:57	astralc	* comparing to version in aur
2024-05-02 20:19:14	teraflops	Maddie: plain yay command updates only aur packages 
2024-05-02 20:19:45	Maddie	"yay"?
2024-05-02 20:20:19	teraflops	ugh actually no, nvm
2024-05-02 20:20:27	teraflops	I just run it here
2024-05-02 20:21:50	Maddie	With this logic, removeing the package with pacman should be sufficent to make yay not care about it anymore.  Dunno why I don't just use yay anyway.
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2024-05-02 20:26:31	Maddie	I kinda wish there way a to just temporarily install a package and it could automatically get uninstalled at the next system update or something because I find that I have a lot of one off tools that I don't need installed anymore and I just wanna clean my system.  All the recent CVEs got me paranoid.
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2024-05-02 20:27:19	Namarrgon	If you build them from PKGBUILDs you can add them to some "trash" group.
2024-05-02 20:27:49	teraflops	pacman -Sl trash ;)
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2024-05-02 20:28:36	teraflops	that is a repo actually not a group
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2024-05-02 20:29:13	astralc	put it in trash repo!
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2024-05-02 20:30:35	Maddie	Namarrgon: Mostly an issue with programs in the repo not the AUR, is it still possible to trash group it?
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2024-05-02 20:31:59	Namarrgon	Yes i would not recommend editing the local database.
2024-05-02 20:32:05	Namarrgon	*but i would not
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2024-05-02 20:32:19	astralc	you somehow need to put them on a list
2024-05-02 20:32:54	Namarrgon	You could use a meta-package but maintaining that gets tedious quickly.
2024-05-02 20:33:15	astralc	create wrapper alias/script "oneoff" that install and >> to a file
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2024-05-02 20:33:48	astralc	then to remove use the file with pacman -Rsn
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2024-05-02 20:35:17	astralc	something like function oneoff() { yay -S "$1"; cat "$1" >> trash.txt }
2024-05-02 20:35:34	Maddie	Is there a way to check if someone is a build dependency for the AUR that is not too manual?
2024-05-02 20:36:11	teraflops	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/pacman/Tips_and_tricks some tricks for unused packages and orphan ones
2024-05-02 20:36:12	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-02 20:36:13	Maddie	astralc: Oh thats nice.
2024-05-02 20:36:29	Maddie	Thanks I'll take a look.
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2024-05-02 20:37:39	astralc	.. should be more like { yay ... && cat ...}
2024-05-02 20:37:57	astralc	so only successful installs are listed
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2024-05-02 20:40:19	another|	Maddie: install as deps and regularly clean out unused deps?
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2024-05-02 20:41:05	Maddie	How so?
2024-05-02 20:42:08	another|	--asdeps
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2024-05-02 20:50:25	astralc	general POC of "oneoff install": https://bpa.st/RXNQ
2024-05-02 20:50:26	phrik	Title: View paste RXNQ (at bpa.st)
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2024-05-02 20:51:15	astralc	I think I should make trash.txt location absolute
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2024-05-02 20:56:36	demonicmaniac1	cleaning out deps is why i always make sure to install cmake gcc meson git etc explicitly :P
2024-05-02 20:56:59	demonicmaniac1	which there was a group/metapackage containing them like build-essentials-more or something
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2024-05-02 20:57:09	Maddie	Yeah me too.
2024-05-02 20:57:14	Maddie	Could make one?
2024-05-02 20:58:30	Maddie	263 explicit packages :) Getting down there but I can't tell what all the extra packages are for.
2024-05-02 20:58:36	demonicmaniac1	to be fair it would be difficult to come up with what's "really" needed
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2024-05-02 20:59:01	demonicmaniac1	include hg and svn too or only git and ninja or not etcpp
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2024-05-02 20:59:38	astralc	demonicmaniac1: isn't this why makedepends exist?
2024-05-02 21:00:00	demonicmaniac1	astralc: those are orphaned after the build
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2024-05-02 21:00:14	demonicmaniac1	i do install stuff explicitly so it doesn't get cleaned out by removing orphaned deps
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2024-05-02 23:58:21	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-02 23:58:21	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1471 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1470 regular)
2024-05-02 21:03:32	alad	paru 🤪
2024-05-02 21:03:56	alad	alias 🤪=paru
2024-05-02 21:06:06	Maddie	Do I need alsa-utils when I use pulseaudio?
2024-05-02 21:06:09	astralc	is it because I don't use alad industries own aur helper
2024-05-02 21:07:04	Maddie	Why doesn't yay install build dependencies as dependencies instead of explicitly?
2024-05-02 21:07:33	astralc	because it doing it wrong?
2024-05-02 21:08:21	alad	astralc: in paris they had honey pots hung up everywhere around the restaurants, filled with wasps, this is how I picture paru, yay, and all the other pacman wrappers
2024-05-02 21:08:32	astralc	build dependecies, or _AUR_ build dependencies?
2024-05-02 21:09:16	Maddie	astralc: later.
2024-05-02 21:09:21	Maddie	The later*
2024-05-02 21:09:22	alad	because it's not that smort
2024-05-02 21:10:07	Maddie	Is anyone doing it right though? Recently I have been trying new software because thats what the cools kids do now a days so feal free to recommend a yay replacement.
2024-05-02 21:10:58	alad	everyone is wrong, some are just more wrong than others
2024-05-02 21:13:09	astralc	yay doesn't keep it old build "known" in something like local repo, so you don't want to rebuild the makedep each time you building/updating some package
2024-05-02 21:13:55	astralc	alad: what about using paru with local repo and chroot?
2024-05-02 21:14:03	Maddie	Surely yay but better must exist, this is arch after all, everyone keeps trying to one up one another.
2024-05-02 21:14:40	gaku	Maddie: I would advice a setup one is comfortable with, mine is two scripts with a local repo setup and makechrootpkg (dev chroot), and it's ready to rsync to a remote repo as soon as I stop procrastinating a smarter routerbox
2024-05-02 21:15:36	gaku	I'm biased against pacman wrappers (I once used yay, that was enough)
2024-05-02 21:16:15	Maddie	lol
2024-05-02 21:16:44	gaku	I like auracle for queries, yet to use any of it's more advanced features
2024-05-02 21:16:51	alad	astralc: all the things it adopted from aurutils are implemented as afterthoughts
2024-05-02 21:16:54	alad	eg https://github.com/Morganamilo/paru/issues/1121
2024-05-02 21:20:34	astralc	gaku: I raise you worse - I tried to use yaourt (when it was still 'cool'), but it failed during some repo upgrades
2024-05-02 21:21:10	astralc	"circular dependencies? maybe I just die"
2024-05-02 21:21:58	gaku	some AUR PKGBUILDs are just messy
2024-05-02 21:22:13	alad	there's two pages of paru gh issues when you search "chroot", but when I read comments like "we copy all the pacman dbs to the chroot" I'm not sure it can be salvaged
2024-05-02 21:22:20	gaku	then again, it's the AUR, so whatever
2024-05-02 21:22:33	demonicmaniac1	alad: can paru use the official extra/multilib arch make tools in a chroot?
2024-05-02 21:22:57	alad	demonicmaniac1: like extra-x86_64-build? it could in theory, but I tried it before and it's generally wonky
2024-05-02 21:23:04	alad	the devtools things work poorly with local repos
2024-05-02 21:23:07	demonicmaniac1	hmhm
2024-05-02 21:23:25	alad	all the weird mirror and cache logic in devtools messes with things
2024-05-02 21:26:26	alad	astralc: yaourt is still the only pacman wrapper that even attemped to tell people "hey this is an aur package, maybe you should be careful"
2024-05-02 21:29:12	astralc	but people still didn't listen
2024-05-02 21:31:05	alad	more telling than yaourt being bad is everyone copying the concept verbatim
2024-05-02 21:31:32	another|	yaourt installed all deps as explicit IIRC
2024-05-02 21:31:40	alad	2010: yaourt in bash, but different 2012: yaourt in perl 2016: yaourt in go 2020: yaourt in rust
2024-05-02 21:31:47	another|	had to do lots of cleanup when I noticed
2024-05-02 21:32:57	another|	as for yay: I think it does actually install makedeps as deps
2024-05-02 21:33:21	demonicmaniac1	pikaur also exists but no clue
2024-05-02 21:33:22	astralc	there is also "yauort in python"
2024-05-02 21:33:34	alad	true
2024-05-02 21:34:02	alad	another|: the issue is that without local repo, there is no simple way to reinstall an AUR package once it's removed
2024-05-02 21:34:12	alad	it might be somewhere in the cache, it might not be, there is no db to keep track of it
2024-05-02 21:34:20	demonicmaniac1	pikaur keeps a ~/.cache/pikaur/build around
2024-05-02 21:35:30	alad	but if you want to reinstall something from there, I presume it needs to be done by hand
2024-05-02 21:35:31	astralc	like yay/paru/aurutils build cache?
2024-05-02 21:35:42	another|	alad: what are you talking about?
2024-05-02 21:36:00	another|	yay has a cache. unless you delete it, it's still there
2024-05-02 21:36:36	alad	another|: let's say yay installs makedep XY with --asdeps, and it would remove it post-build
2024-05-02 21:36:47	alad	another|: then yay has no issue to install it again, once it needs XY for some other package
2024-05-02 21:36:49	demonicmaniac1	alad: oh for sure it's worse than moving it to /var/cache/pacman/pkg/
2024-05-02 21:36:59	astralc	but it not keeping track of what built there, it will try to build, say "package exist" during makepkg
2024-05-02 21:37:09	alad	if it's in /home/custompkgs with /home/custompkgs/bloat.db, you can easily install and remove with pacman -S/-R
2024-05-02 21:38:09	demonicmaniac1	the one nice thing i saw with pikaur was the option to git stash changes to pkgbuild/etc and pull
2024-05-02 21:38:26	demonicmaniac1	that can be quite the bother
2024-05-02 21:38:48	another|	alad: Sorry, I don't think I understand your point
2024-05-02 21:38:48	alad	I think most of the modern helpers have that by now
2024-05-02 21:39:07	alad	another|: I was just arguing why yay would install makedepends with -U, instead of with -U --asdeps
2024-05-02 21:40:11	demonicmaniac1	indeed should at least have a flag to keep makedeps/mark as deps for stuff you always rebuild
2024-05-02 21:41:00	demonicmaniac1	err i meant as not deps
2024-05-02 21:41:11	alad	just so I don't sound like a bitter old man, the trizen code is pretty readable as far as perl goes
2024-05-02 21:42:13	another|	alad: does it? I'm not sure about that
2024-05-02 21:42:29	alad	that was the claim few pages up
2024-05-02 21:43:46	another|	And I doubted that
2024-05-02 21:45:01	alad	sadly yay has the same issue as yaourt in that the code is completely unscrutinable, and you have to run it with some debug flags to find out what it does
2024-05-02 21:49:37	slateroth	hello ladies and gents; i'm actually having an issue on my arch installation with kde. suddently my openvpn connection stopped working. i have already tested the server by using other clients to the same server and they work; also i have used the surely working certificate on the pc as well but doesn't work. So summarizing it's pc-related. BTW i don't know how to start to troubleshot this, i
2024-05-02 21:49:37	slateroth	haven't modified nothing special in latest days, i have 
2024-05-02 21:49:38	slateroth	only updated the system. do you have any suggestions on what i could check further? thanks a lot
2024-05-02 21:51:46	another|	alad: Huh. seems you're right. makedeps installed as explicit
2024-05-02 21:52:19	another|	at least it tracks it during runtime and can remove it afterwards
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2024-05-02 22:06:58	Maddie	How do I undo pacman -Rsnc???? I acidently deleted base and 54 other packages and I would perfer to keep in tact what packages were explicitly installed and which are dependencies?
2024-05-02 22:07:45	teraflops	Maddie: check pacman log and reinstall the packages that were removed
2024-05-02 22:08:03	lmat	I'm having trouble sharing a printer: https://imgur.com/a/DdSnkgI Any idea what could cause this ignoring the checkbox?
2024-05-02 22:08:03	phrik	Title: Cups? - Album on Imgur (at imgur.com)
2024-05-02 22:08:05	teraflops	re//
2024-05-02 22:08:11	astralc	-Rsnc... that's like asking for broken system
2024-05-02 22:08:15	Maddie	teraflops: I know but some of the packages were dependencies and I would the db to reflect that...
2024-05-02 22:08:30	teraflops	all the pacman transaction has to be in pacman log
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2024-05-02 22:08:40	Maddie	I will try to loog
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2024-05-02 22:09:18	Maddie	It merely says removed, not how 2024-05-02T20:04:42+0000] [ALPM] running 'texinfo-remove.hook'...
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2024-05-02 22:09:34	Maddie	Fuck it I rather have a working system.
2024-05-02 22:10:26	teraflops	search for removed in pacman log
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2024-05-02 22:11:15	Maddie	error: target not found: base-3-5
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2024-05-02 22:12:08	Namarrgon	Is this arch linux or some spin?
2024-05-02 22:12:19	astralc	weird, latest is base 3-2
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2024-05-02 22:13:31	Maddie	I figured it out, thank you though.  Why is it even possible to delete base without the "YEs I know what i am doing" prompt? I should have been more carefull...
2024-05-02 22:13:47	teraflops	that is a debian thing!
2024-05-02 22:13:52	Namarrgon	It's just a regular package, there's nothing special about it.
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2024-05-02 22:15:41	Namarrgon	Maddie: You should keep your support questions in your distro's channel.
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2024-05-02 22:17:23	Maddie	Aw, safty is nice though.
2024-05-02 22:17:36	Maddie	Namarrgon: It was a question relateing to pacman and I paniced.
2024-05-02 22:18:01	Namarrgon	This isn't the pacman support channel. What about all the other questions?
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2024-05-02 22:20:05	Maddie	Also relateing to pacman?
2024-05-02 22:20:14	Maddie	Is there an actual pacman support channel?
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2024-05-02 22:20:40	Namarrgon	There's a mailing list.
2024-05-02 22:21:10	Maddie	Huh, color me supprised.  "#archlinux-pacman                                  71 :Welcome to #archlinux-pacman. This is the pacman development channel; for general support please use #archlinux. Please report any bugs to gitlab, where they will be seen. The forums and this channel are NOT acceptable. Thanks!"
2024-05-02 22:22:34	Maddie	Well I belive I asked in the right channel relateing to question regardless of distro.  If you do not want to answer my questions then thats fine by me.  Imma go brush my teeth now.
2024-05-02 22:23:29	edu4rdshl	Maddie, this channel is for ArchLinux support only
2024-05-02 22:23:34	edu4rdshl	So no
2024-05-02 22:23:54	Namarrgon	Please follow the rules.
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2024-05-02 22:31:28	teraflops	so the new neofetch could be fastfetch 
2024-05-02 22:32:43	demonicmaniac1	whatever happened to inxi?
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2024-05-02 22:35:48	CodeLog	Hey everyone. I'm having an issue with steam. It's segfaulting on launch.
2024-05-02 22:35:50	CodeLog	!paste
2024-05-02 22:35:50	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-05-02 22:35:54	gromit	CodeLog: great! 
2024-05-02 22:35:59	gromit	or not, but we need more info
2024-05-02 22:36:08	CodeLog	Yeah. I'll paste the log in a moment
2024-05-02 22:36:10	gromit	I guess its https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/glibc/-/issues/10#note_182191
2024-05-02 22:36:11	phrik	Title: [Regression] lib32-glibc Segmentation fault with Steam (#10) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / glibc · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-02 22:36:29	CodeLog	Oh man. glibc, eh?
2024-05-02 22:36:37	CodeLog	gromit, Downgrade?
2024-05-02 22:36:48	gromit	dont do that
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2024-05-02 22:37:42	CodeLog	NetSysFire, 6.8.8-hardened1-1-hardened
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2024-05-02 22:38:14	CodeLog	Ahh, well. I do xD
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2024-05-02 22:38:54	CodeLog	I used to run manjaro. My dotfiles prolly got screwed up by the switch
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2024-05-02 22:39:51	CodeLog	Nope, I just kept my home folder
2024-05-02 22:39:58	CodeLog	Also, here's the log: https://bpa.st/H3OQ
2024-05-02 22:39:58	phrik	Title: View paste H3OQ (at bpa.st)
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2024-05-02 22:40:25	CodeLog	Looks identical to https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/glibc/-/issues/10#note_182191
2024-05-02 22:40:26	phrik	Title: [Regression] lib32-glibc Segmentation fault with Steam (#10) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / glibc · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-02 22:41:00	CodeLog	NetSysFire, I don't know if there's a definitive proof... Any suggestions?
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2024-05-02 22:43:02	arcturus	not everybody that uses manjaro is suspicious
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2024-05-02 22:44:36	gromit	CodeLog: could you send the output of "~/.steam/steam/ubuntu12_32/steam-runtime/run.sh -- steam-runtime-system-info" please?
2024-05-02 22:44:42	gromit	The ticket asks for it
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2024-05-02 22:45:03	CodeLog	gromit, one sec
2024-05-02 22:45:41	CodeLog	https://bpa.st/TEMQ
2024-05-02 22:45:42	phrik	Title: View paste TEMQ (at bpa.st)
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2024-05-02 22:52:49	CodeLog	brb
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2024-05-02 22:54:09	CodeLog	I'm back
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2024-05-02 22:57:42	Maddie	Namarrgon and edu4rdshl: I am back, I have read the rules are you are both correct so I would like to apoligise to you both, sorry I did not know.
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2024-05-02 23:13:39	CodeLog	gromit: I take it by the silence that there's no information to be found?
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2024-05-02 23:16:11	gromit	CodeLog: I dont know, I have just posted it to the ticket
2024-05-02 23:16:23	CodeLog	Thanks
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2024-05-02 23:19:16	CodeLog	gromit: Can you post the URL for that issue again? Just pacman -R'd hexchat, so I lost the scrollback
2024-05-02 23:20:18	gromit	https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/10841
2024-05-02 23:20:26	gromit	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/glibc/-/issues/10
2024-05-02 23:20:26	CodeLog	thx
2024-05-02 23:20:26	phrik	Title: [Regression] lib32-glibc Segmentation fault with Steam (#10) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / glibc · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-02 23:24:02	CodeLog	I'm trying the thing they just posted
2024-05-02 23:24:37	CodeLog	no dice
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2024-05-02 23:38:07	Synthead	I want to add the QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=0 env to /usr/share/applications/Zoom.desktop, and I'm starting by copying it to $HOME/.local/share/applications/Zoom.desktop.  However, after copying it with no changes, Zoom doesn't launch from a browser anymore.  Why is this?
2024-05-02 23:38:32	Synthead	The system-wide desktop file and my local desktop file are identical
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2024-05-02 23:42:08	CodeLog	Synthead: Does zoom produce any logs?
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2024-05-02 23:49:56	Synthead	CodeLog: oh my god: 494M May  2 14:39 zoom_stdout_stderr.log
2024-05-02 23:50:02	Synthead	yes it does hahahah
2024-05-02 23:51:15	Synthead	but it does not with my own desktop file!
2024-05-02 23:51:21	Synthead	so maybe it's not starting for some reason?
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2024-05-02 23:52:07	CodeLog	Hmmmm... Sorry man, I don't use zoom myself, and in the abscence of any logs I doubt I'll be of any help
2024-05-02 23:52:46	Synthead	CodeLog: it doesn't feel like an xdg issue?  the md5 of the system-wide desktop file and mine are identical
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2024-05-02 23:54:07	CodeLog	Have you tried launching it from the terminal?
2024-05-02 23:54:25	Synthead	yes, and QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=0 zoom works fine
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2024-05-02 23:55:30	Synthead	env QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=0 /usr/bin/zoom is the command I'm attempting in the desktop file, and it works on a termianl too
2024-05-02 23:55:49	CodeLog	darn... I don't get why that isn't working
2024-05-02 23:56:18	CodeLog	It could be that xdg is setting some strange environment vars
2024-05-02 23:56:45	Synthead	that's kinda where I'm at
2024-05-02 23:57:02	Synthead	it seems like it would be some weird permissions thing or something, but I can't see how that would be it
2024-05-02 23:57:07	Synthead	it'd be nice to get xdg logs
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2024-05-02 23:59:09	Synthead	this is interesting
2024-05-02 23:59:11	Synthead	$ xdg-settings get default-url-scheme-handler zoommtg
2024-05-02 23:59:11	Synthead	Zoom.desktop
2024-05-02 23:59:17	Synthead	]$ xdg-open zoomtg://company.zoom.us/j/12345
2024-05-02 23:59:21	teraflops	Synthead: how are you passing the variable in the desktop file?
2024-05-02 23:59:41	Synthead	teraflops: Exec=env QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=0 /usr/bin/zoom
2024-05-02 23:59:59	teraflops	ok
2024-05-03 00:00:01	Synthead	however, an identical copy of the system-wide zoom doesn't work
2024-05-03 00:02:02	Synthead	I'm testing by clicking the "launch application" button in firefox when a meeting link is clicked
2024-05-03 00:02:17	Synthead	if I rm my local identical copy of the desktop file, it starts working again
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2024-05-03 00:03:24	teraflops	Synthead: it's zoom or zoom %U ?
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2024-05-03 00:04:28	Synthead	teraflops: ah my apologies, it is zoom %U
2024-05-03 00:04:47	Synthead	same file as system-wide
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2024-05-03 00:14:40	teraflops	Synthead: here if I copy the desktop file to ~/ and append the env vars, they are picked just fine
2024-05-03 00:14:42	Synthead	weird, right?
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2024-05-03 00:15:16	Synthead	if I do cp /usr/share/applications/Zoom.desktop $HOME/.local/share/applications/Zoom.desktop, it doesn't work anymore
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2024-05-03 00:16:13	teraflops	Synthead: which DE/WM?
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2024-05-03 00:16:33	Synthead	teraflops: i3wm
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2024-05-03 00:16:59	teraflops	https://paste.priet.us/screenshot_2024-05-03-00-16-24.png 
2024-05-03 00:17:11	teraflops	hmm
2024-05-03 00:17:13	Synthead	it doesn't help that xdg-open is attempting to open zoomtg:// links with a browser for some reason, also
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2024-05-03 00:17:24	Web_Anon18	Hello
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2024-05-03 00:17:54	Web_Anon18	What the... Someone's using my username?
2024-05-03 00:18:17	teraflops	how would we know?
2024-05-03 00:18:24	Synthead	Web_Anon18: are you logged in somewhere else? should nickserv that thing :)
2024-05-03 00:18:30	Web_Anon18	ah
2024-05-03 00:18:33	Web_Anon18	Yes
2024-05-03 00:18:37	Web_Anon18	It's on my arch
2024-05-03 00:18:42	Synthead	huzzah
2024-05-03 00:19:03	Web_Anon18	I just logged on here to ask if kde-applications downloads the flathub store
2024-05-03 00:19:19	Web_Anon18	Cuz i remember a discover search app that looks like a shopping bag
2024-05-03 00:19:28	teraflops	Synthead: does it happen with other desktop files? here it works as expected so something is woky there
2024-05-03 00:19:30	Web_Anon18	Right next to Dolphine
2024-05-03 00:19:46	teraflops	wonky^
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2024-05-03 00:21:12	ℹ 	Web_Anon18 is now known as Web_Anon
2024-05-03 00:21:17	Web_Anon	cool
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2024-05-03 00:21:29	Web_Anon	I guess it logged out automatically when I logged in
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2024-05-03 00:24:57	teraflops	Synthead: btw xdg-settings set default-url-scheme-handler zoomtg Zoom.desktop
2024-05-03 00:25:32	Synthead	teraflops: it's already set:
2024-05-03 00:25:33	Synthead	$ xdg-settings get default-url-scheme-handler zoommtg
2024-05-03 00:25:34	Synthead	Zoom.desktop
2024-05-03 00:25:53	teraflops	it works here, so another weird thing is going on there
2024-05-03 00:27:10	teraflops	Synthead: what's the output of echo $DESKTOP_SESSION ?
2024-05-03 00:27:31	Synthead	$ echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
2024-05-03 00:27:31	Synthead	i3
2024-05-03 00:27:34	Synthead	teraflops: ^
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2024-05-03 00:27:47	teraflops	what if you set it to gnome?
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2024-05-03 00:28:20	teraflops	e.g in .xprofile or .xinitrc
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2024-05-03 00:28:32	teraflops	dk if you are using plain startx or a DM
2024-05-03 00:28:42	teraflops	idk^
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2024-05-03 00:29:16	teraflops	I barely remember having to set it to gnome for xdg to work when I was using i3wm
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2024-05-03 00:30:43	Synthead	teraflops: I'm using lightdm :)
2024-05-03 00:31:03	teraflops	idk if lightdm sources .xprofile
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2024-05-03 00:31:32	teraflops	yes it does
2024-05-03 00:31:37	Synthead	teraflops: I don't have anything interesting in .xprofile anyway
2024-05-03 00:32:11	teraflops	export DESKTOP_SESSION=gnome
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2024-05-03 01:20:41	tijko	Anything big in the latest Systemd-255.5-4?
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2024-05-03 01:23:12	tijko	lol checking out archlinux.org (to answer my own question)....
2024-05-03 01:23:42	tijko	but damn I noticed how active "forums" is!!  o.O
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2024-05-03 13:57:11	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-03 13:57:11	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1462 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1461 regular)
2024-05-03 07:16:43	Gnana	https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/9649
2024-05-03 07:27:27	Gnana	im running prime-run steam
2024-05-03 07:27:31	Gnana	its seg faulting
2024-05-03 07:27:40	Gnana	if run only steam i t work
2024-05-03 07:27:44	Gnana	sit works*
2024-05-03 07:36:31	Gnana	im using linux orginal kernel. do i need nvidia-dkms or nvidia?
2024-05-03 07:36:39	Gnana	linxu kernel vanilla
2024-05-03 07:36:44	Gnana	im using
2024-05-03 07:37:05	Gnana	and do i have pass mkinipico. the modules?
2024-05-03 07:37:13	Gnana	like nvidia etc?
2024-05-03 07:37:30	Gnana	i see nothing prime=-run archwiki about kernel parmters
2024-05-03 07:39:16	Strykar	hmm, steam segfaulting here today "[15833.333931] steam[131215]: segfault at c ip 00000000e9120348 sp 00000000ffe50c00 error 4 in ld-linux.so.2[e9117000+21000] likely on CPU 10 (core 12, socket 0)"
2024-05-03 07:40:24	Gnana	Strykar:nvidia?
2024-05-03 07:40:33	Gnana	are you using nvidia?
2024-05-03 07:40:52	Gnana	on amd gpu steam is working
2024-05-03 07:41:44	Gnana	i have found this https://github.com/korvahannu/arch-nvidia-drivers-installation-guide
2024-05-03 07:41:54	cloudowind	ld-linux dynamic linker?
2024-05-03 07:42:24	cloudowind	what is error 4?
2024-05-03 07:46:29	Strykar	cloudowind: https://bpa.st/ATOQ
2024-05-03 07:46:29	phrik	Title: View paste ATOQ (at bpa.st)
2024-05-03 08:02:02	Strykar	Gnana: follow the arch wiki instead of some random outdated post
2024-05-03 08:04:55	Furai	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/glibc/-/issues/10 so this thing is in the works for broken steam, right?
2024-05-03 08:04:57	phrik	Title: [Regression] lib32-glibc Segmentation fault with Steam on Nvidia (#10) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / glibc · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-03 08:06:02	Furai	Seems like it.
2024-05-03 08:07:55	Strykar	yep, cheers
2024-05-03 08:33:35	brutusmcforce	i've had this problem for two years now without really trying to fix it... when my computer wakes up from suspend one of the monitors behaves weirdly and flashes black etc until i turn dpms off and on again. that sometimes fixes it, but sometimes it also locks up the monitor entirely showing a still image. i am at a loss on where i should even start troubleshooting this. anyone had this problem?
2024-05-03 08:33:42	brutusmcforce	on nvidia unfortunately. same thing happens with x and wayland
2024-05-03 08:49:46	Furai	just recompiled glibc with the fix mentioned in that thread and it works
2024-05-03 08:52:35	Gnana	Furai: sudo pacman -Rsdd glic?
2024-05-03 08:52:44	Gnana	sudo pacman -S glibc
2024-05-03 08:52:46	Gnana	?
2024-05-03 08:53:39	jelle	Gnana: no no no
2024-05-03 08:53:43	Furai	No, I've just compiled glibc with CLFAGS.
2024-05-03 08:53:54	Furai	Change mentioned in archlinux gitlab.
2024-05-03 08:55:03	Furai	And if you really need to you could probably install ver `-2` from pacman cache on your system if you have to. That one supposedly doesn't suffer from the issue.
2024-05-03 08:56:10	Strykar	brutusmcforce: followed the instructions at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA/Tips_and_tricks#Preserve_video_memory_after_suspend??
2024-05-03 08:56:11	phrik	Title: NVIDIA/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-03 08:56:29	brutusmcforce	Strykar: yeah, doesn't help unfortunately
2024-05-03 09:17:58	BoBeR182	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/wpscan/-/issues/1
2024-05-03 09:18:00	phrik	Title: Application crashes at launch (#1) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / wpscan · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-03 09:18:05	BoBeR182	any update to this?
2024-05-03 09:18:11	BoBeR182	anthraxx: ?
2024-05-03 09:25:14	Gnana	it did not solved the problem of prime-run steam?
2024-05-03 09:55:31	Furai	Gnana: I'm not using PRIME so no idea. As to the glibc issue, here's the link to it https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/glibc/-/issues/10
2024-05-03 09:55:32	phrik	Title: [Regression] lib32-glibc Segmentation fault with Steam on Nvidia (#10) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / glibc · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-03 09:58:27	kode54	this doesn't explain how some people didn't have problems on nvidia
2024-05-03 09:58:52	Furai	Weren't there new global makeflags added?
2024-05-03 09:59:05	Furai	Not sure though.
2024-05-03 09:59:16	kode54	yes, and the so-called fix in that issue removes them just for glibc
2024-05-03 09:59:39	kode54	and my boyfriend had no crashes on nvidia with the offending version of lib32-glibc
2024-05-03 10:02:09	Furai	Dunno, I was affected. I'm using open-nvidia drivers.
2024-05-03 10:02:14	Furai	Maybe depends on hardware as well.
2024-05-03 10:03:20	kode54	he has a 3060 12GB
2024-05-03 10:03:55	kode54	who knows which exact conditions are needed yet? probably nobody yet
2024-05-03 10:04:13	kode54	though those make flags are apparently enough to trigger it
2024-05-03 10:06:17	Tom^	odd it doesnt happen here either even tho i got glibc with frame pointers
2024-05-03 10:06:41	edu4rdshl	I don't have that issue here too
2024-05-03 10:07:06	jelle	Tom^: it crashes the nvidia driver :)
2024-05-03 10:07:12	Tom^	jelle: yeah just did prime-run steam
2024-05-03 10:07:21	jelle	Tom^: depending on your LD_PRELOAD madness :)
2024-05-03 10:09:30	Strykar	kode54, Furai: what model Nvidia are you running?
2024-05-03 10:09:51	Furai	3060 Ti
2024-05-03 10:10:09	Furai	typ
2024-05-03 10:10:11	Furai	o
2024-05-03 10:10:14	Furai	3070Ti
2024-05-03 10:11:01	kode54	Strykar: boyfriend is running 3060 12GB, I am not a direct participant in the matter because I have an AMD card
2024-05-03 10:11:16	kode54	then again
2024-05-03 10:11:32	kode54	I don't know if he rebooted his machine after installing the latest lib32-glibc
2024-05-03 10:11:37	kode54	he doesn't leave it on all the time
2024-05-03 10:12:19	kode54	he's using the proprietary driver and kernel module
2024-05-03 10:12:31	Strykar	hmm, I'd have to swap in my old 3070Ti to check but here it wouldnt start with a 40 series GPU and the Ryzen 9's iGPU
2024-05-03 10:12:48	edu4rdshl	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/glibc/-/commit/374116c315e3326ae245f724539cf8723b141a90
2024-05-03 10:12:49	phrik	Title: remove frame pointer compile flags for lib32 build (374116c3) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / glibc · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-03 10:12:50	kode54	I see that Furai is using the open module
2024-05-03 10:12:53	edu4rdshl	Fix coming soon ™
2024-05-03 10:13:21	Strykar	edu4rdshl: downgrading the lib32-glibc-2 package fixed it for me
2024-05-03 10:13:57	jelle	kode54: doesn't matter happens with 550.76 as well
2024-05-03 10:13:59	edu4rdshl	Downgrading is not a permanent solution
2024-05-03 10:14:16	kode54	jelle: dunno how he managed to run steam yesterday then
2024-05-03 10:14:37	kode54	maybe he upgraded lib32-glibc after booting
2024-05-03 10:14:56	jelle	no idea
2024-05-03 10:15:05	kode54	we'll see tomorrow when he boots up
2024-05-03 10:15:21	kode54	no sense walking back a legitimate fix because one person has an anomaly
2024-05-03 10:15:39	jelle	hmmm?
2024-05-03 10:15:43	kode54	I mean, the fix is in
2024-05-03 10:15:45	kode54	it will be built
2024-05-03 10:15:58	Tom^	well fix is just drop frame pointers :p
2024-05-03 10:16:03	Strykar	edu4rdshl: until the fix is in, it sure is 
2024-05-03 10:16:08	kode54	it's weird that they're affected by frame pointers like that
2024-05-03 10:16:10	Tom^	im more of curious why that would affect it
2024-05-03 10:16:18	kode54	dodgy proprietary software
2024-05-03 10:16:28	edu4rdshl	Strykar, and who's talking otherwise?
2024-05-03 10:16:36	edu4rdshl	s/talking/saying
2024-05-03 10:17:04	Strykar	lol you? - edu4rdshl │ Downgrading is not a permanent solution
2024-05-03 10:17:09	jelle	edu4rdshl: please, cut the crap
2024-05-03 10:17:15	edu4rdshl	And it isn't a permanent solution
2024-05-03 10:17:27	edu4rdshl	jelle, what? Saying something true is crap?
2024-05-03 10:17:30	jelle	edu4rdshl: you don't need to archsplain
2024-05-03 10:18:29	Strykar	this has crushed my feelings, I need to install Luljaro to feel better about myself now :(
2024-05-03 10:20:27	edu4rdshl	jelle, if people actually know to read I wouldn't need to
2024-05-03 10:20:51	jelle	edu4rdshl: please, Strykar is here quite often I have faith they know what they are doing 
2024-05-03 10:21:18	edu4rdshl	And I only said "it isn't a **permanent**" I was not even refering to that user directly :)
2024-05-03 10:21:36	edu4rdshl	TLDR: I was saying that I was happy to see a fix incoming, that's it
2024-05-03 10:55:10	CodeLog	window page-up
2024-05-03 11:02:01	BertoX_	can someone help me with with my ldap setup please ? after following wiki, and using online authentication, getent passwd show ldap users but getent group does not . I see this message in the log but don't know what to do : nslcd[80640]: [3c9869] <group(all)> cn=dbagrp,ou=Group,dc=my42,dc=local: cn: missing
2024-05-03 11:04:12	BertoX_	An ldap search query on posixGroup returns expected groups 
2024-05-03 11:05:21	kode54	fish has a lovely "feature"
2024-05-03 11:05:35	kode54	I can't ctrl-z suspend a process I've run through the built-in time command
2024-05-03 11:05:43	kode54	because time will terminate when I press ctrl-z
2024-05-03 11:33:58	bjourne	any idea on how to get usb headphones to work in arch?
2024-05-03 11:39:13	CodeLog	Should be plug-and-play for most headphones
2024-05-03 11:39:18	CodeLog	Which ones have you got?
2024-05-03 11:42:45	gog	might depend on desktop env or lack thereof
2024-05-03 11:43:22	ectospasm	...or if your USB headphones need special drivers or firmware blobs
2024-05-03 11:43:24	gog	plasma with pipewire should just work, if not you can select it as default in the audio statusbar
2024-05-03 11:43:31	gog	it might be that too yeh
2024-05-03 11:43:45	CodeLog	ectospasm: That's what I was thinking
2024-05-03 11:44:52	ectospasm	I have a Logitech Blue USB microphone, and it just works.  YMMV, though.
2024-05-03 11:45:10	ectospasm	It *should* be plug-n-play
2024-05-03 11:45:33	ectospasm	But if they're new enough Linux might not have a compatible driver yet.
2024-05-03 11:47:23	bjourne	CodeLog: some deltaco model
2024-05-03 11:47:35	ectospasm	mmm, Del Taco
2024-05-03 11:47:45	ectospasm	They don't have those around here
2024-05-03 11:47:52	ectospasm	I like them better than Taco Hell
2024-05-03 11:49:38	wyre	hi guys, I cannot logon by sudo
2024-05-03 11:49:47	gromit	!taco
2024-05-03 11:49:48	phrik	Yo quiero TACOS!
2024-05-03 11:49:55	wyre	not sure if someone has hijacked my user
2024-05-03 11:50:04	ectospasm	wyre: are you in the proper sudoers group?
2024-05-03 11:50:27	wyre	i'm in the wheel group 
2024-05-03 11:50:39	gromit	wyre: usually there is an issue with faillock
2024-05-03 11:50:40	ectospasm	Or, is your user explicitly in /etc/sudoers?  Did you edit /etc/sudoers with visudo?
2024-05-03 11:51:03	gromit	faillock --user chris --reset
2024-05-03 11:51:07	ectospasm	or that, I had to do faillock earlier this morning
2024-05-03 11:51:22	ectospasm	My chosen password is quite simple, but I still get it wrong a lot of the time.
2024-05-03 11:51:25	wyre	oh, it was because faillock I think
2024-05-03 11:51:50	wyre	what a scare! 😆
2024-05-03 11:52:03	wyre	ty gromit 😊
2024-05-03 11:52:19	gog	oops!
2024-05-03 11:52:59	gog	i'm a very fast touch-typist and sometimes i'll be able to feel if i typed my password wrong but my laptop keyboard is a bit hard to locate my hands sometimes and i'll be off by one
2024-05-03 11:53:14	gog	and i'll do the same thing, faillock myself
2024-05-03 11:58:45	wyre	but how is that? that doesn't seem very safe, do it? 
2024-05-03 11:58:49	wyre	s/do/does/
2024-05-03 11:59:02	wyre	I mean ... how is that I'm able to reset myself? 😆
2024-05-03 11:59:10	wyre	what's the purpose of faillock then? hehe
2024-05-03 11:59:57	mpan	wyre: you need a proper login to reset yourself.
2024-05-03 12:00:22	wyre	hmmm, sure I see 😆
2024-05-03 12:00:26	wyre	that's sounds better
2024-05-03 12:00:35	wyre	I was login through ssh with my keypair :P
2024-05-03 12:00:45	wyre	so I guess that's the answer to my question, 👅
2024-05-03 12:00:56	mpan	That’s still a valid authentication.
2024-05-03 12:01:04	wyre	yeah, sure :-) 
2024-05-03 12:01:27	mpan	Also you may set faillock to be effectively off. I set it to 999 attempts and the lockout is 1 sec.
2024-05-03 12:01:56	mpan	The defaults are… well… defaults. Sane for the baseline case. But very often it’s deployed where it’s not needed.
2024-05-03 12:06:40	wyre	no, but I think for this case defaults are proper
2024-05-03 12:06:44	wyre	this is my VPS ;-) 
2024-05-03 12:07:08	wyre	so I prefer to have an strong root password and faillock enabled :-) 
2024-05-03 12:09:22	mpan	If you have a strong passphrase, faillock setting that restrictive aren’t really needed.
2024-05-03 12:09:53	mpan	And I mean: actually strong; that is it actually comes from a good CSPRNG or RNG, and has a lot of bits. Not that you just perceive it as strong. :)
2024-05-03 12:10:32	jelle	if you are sane you don't have root ssh enabled either way
2024-05-03 12:10:42	mkoskar	mpan: iirc deny = 0 will disable it, although I don't see manpage mentioning it now
2024-05-03 12:10:52	mpan	3 attempts, 15 minutes lockout makes sense for e.g. organisations with a lot of users, most likely to have tragic passphrases, and the admins needing those few hours to a day to react to access attempts.
2024-05-03 12:11:11	mpan	(and this is the “beaseline”)
2024-05-03 12:11:59	mpan	And where the worker, who locked themselves out, takes a phone, calls the right number, and the lock is removed.
2024-05-03 12:13:53	Furai	Does gitlab.archlinux.org offer any notifications in the gitlab itself and not via mail?
2024-05-03 12:14:08	Strykar	has a new lib32-glibc package been pushed out yet?
2024-05-03 12:14:53	gromit	Furai: something like https://gitlab.archlinux.org/dashboard/todos ? 
2024-05-03 12:14:54	phrik	Title: Sign in · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-03 12:15:18	gromit	Strykar: yes, its in testing https://archlinux.org/packages/?q=lib32-glibc
2024-05-03 12:15:22	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2024-05-03 12:16:46	Furai	gromit: I guess, but I got some messages via mail and didn't see any notification on gitlab.
2024-05-03 12:18:45	Furai	Seems like someone commented on issue then removed their comments.
2024-05-03 12:31:40	einar	I am trying to recover my laptop and I am currently stuck.  When I boot, it seems grub is able to find the kernel, but after a few messages I get "failed to execute /init error -2".
2024-05-03 12:32:40	heat	your initramfs is borked
2024-05-03 12:32:41	einar	the context is, that I was upgrading all my packages with pacman, and when it got to systemd, the system froze and I had to reboot.  That left the system without any kernel images.
2024-05-03 12:33:49	einar	after rebooting into recovery mode on the live usb stick, I found out a lot of libs in /usr/lib/ was missing, such a libc.  I manually copied over maybe 30 libs, and now I got netword and pacman running.
2024-05-03 12:33:59	heat	can you chroot into it from an iso and reinstall those packages?
2024-05-03 12:34:32	einar	I reinstalled grub and the kernel images and regenerated initramfs, but I still get this error when rebooting. So I suppose something important is still missing from my system.
2024-05-03 12:34:55	einar	heat: I think your diagnosis is correct.
2024-05-03 12:35:05	einar	I can chroot into it.
2024-05-03 12:35:12	einar	the problem is I don
2024-05-03 12:35:22	einar	t know which pacakges I need to reinstall
2024-05-03 12:35:31	einar	I have considered reinstalling everything.
2024-05-03 12:35:57	einar	Btw it seems pacmans index is borked, since is says "file exists in file system", when I install some packages.
2024-05-03 12:37:28	heat	i think the "file exists in file system" thing stems from you reinstalling stuff manually
2024-05-03 12:38:40	einar	alright.  Do you think 'sudo pacman -Syyu --overwrite "*"' is dangerous at this point?
2024-05-03 12:39:14	einar	I think I have some packages, that are marked as installed but the files are actually missing (like with the `linux` package)
2024-05-03 12:39:44	einar	or can I indentify which packages are needed to regenearate the initramfs
2024-05-03 12:40:52	heat	personally i wouldn't say it's dangerous, your system is already half-hosed anyway :P
2024-05-03 12:41:14	heat	but, uh, i don't feel qualified to do hot takes on your system
2024-05-03 12:41:28	heat	except that yeah that's probably what i'd try
2024-05-03 12:42:00	heat	or just doing a plain reinstall of *every* explicitly installed package
2024-05-03 12:44:08	einar	as a random user on #archlinu who I just met:  you are my highest authority :)
2024-05-03 12:45:28	virtualsid	einar: funny thing - I had almost the exact same situation as you a few weeks ago! I'm pretty sure I had to resort to the --overwrite '*' :(
2024-05-03 12:45:39	einar	virtualsid: that
2024-05-03 12:45:41	heat	i'm curious, is this ext4?
2024-05-03 12:45:43	einar	is comforting
2024-05-03 12:45:47	virtualsid	let me see if I can find it. And yes, ext4
2024-05-03 12:46:20	heat	yikes for data safety :(
2024-05-03 12:46:53	einar	is it clear to you guys which file `/init` refers to in my error message above?
2024-05-03 12:46:57	virtualsid	I actually did 'pacman -Qqn | pacman -S --overwrite '*''.
2024-05-03 12:47:11	heat	/init sounds like the initramfs yeah
2024-05-03 12:47:17	heat	(or the lack thereof?)
2024-05-03 12:47:22	virtualsid	heat: For me, I think my machine freezing during/at the end of the update was the issue - not ext4, etc.
2024-05-03 12:47:32	heat	well, that's the problem
2024-05-03 12:47:38	einar	heat: as in the image `/boot/initramfs-linux.img` ?
2024-05-03 12:47:44	heat	you lost several seconds of data
2024-05-03 12:47:58	heat	einar, yes
2024-05-03 12:48:02	virtualsid	data was actually all there. but I couldn't work out how to fix arch without booting from USB, and doing that via arch-chroot
2024-05-03 12:48:35	heat	pacman is not the friendliest for data safety though
2024-05-03 12:48:49	heat	with some fsync()'s and rename() it could be a lot safer
2024-05-03 12:49:05	virtualsid	as it's journal based, I don't think i'd blame the filesystem here - it wasn't corrupt... Is something deleting before replacing, or weirdness like that? (e.g. pacman, as you say?)
2024-05-03 12:49:16	einar	I think my fs is ext4, but strangey `mount` does not show output.
2024-05-03 12:49:30	heat	yes, pacman deletes before replacing
2024-05-03 12:49:50	heat	but i would definitely blame the filesystem too, the journal is batched
2024-05-03 12:50:04	einar	heat: I cannot understand why that would be a good idea.
2024-05-03 12:50:35	heat	me neither and i'm still to write an email to some mailing list asking why
2024-05-03 12:51:23	heat	if you update glibc there's a small period of time where you can't exec any process at all (linked with libc.so.6 that is)
2024-05-03 12:51:35	heat	and if your update fails halfway... yeah
2024-05-03 12:51:54	einar	virtualsid: did you manage to fix your system?
2024-05-03 12:52:12	virtualsid	einar: oh yeah. I'm on it now, the same system that broke. It hasn't frozen in that way again since.
2024-05-03 12:52:33	einar	that is comforting
2024-05-03 12:52:35	virtualsid	that was 2024-04-13, so not quite a month ago
2024-05-03 12:53:00	einar	it seems I am now able to continue my `pacman -Syu` from yesterday.
2024-05-03 12:53:11	einar	the one that borked my system.
2024-05-03 12:53:12	virtualsid	my problem is that I wasn't watching the pacman output when it failed, so I'm not too sure it really was that.
2024-05-03 12:53:26	heat	virtualsid, in any case, just for completeness: the journal doesn't mean you don't lose data, the journal just means the filesystem isn't inconsistent/completely hosed
2024-05-03 12:53:28	virtualsid	I was minding my own business, browsing the interwebs, and it just froze.
2024-05-03 12:54:05	virtualsid	sure, heat - but it means that the application that modified the filesystem didn't (potentially) do things in an order that allowed for the FS journal stuffs to not bork things?
2024-05-03 12:54:41	rcf	The journal is really only there for consistency.
2024-05-03 12:54:43	heat	yes-ish
2024-05-03 12:55:05	heat	BUT even if you do everything perfectly on the userspace side, there's still a commit timer you have to contend with
2024-05-03 12:55:07	virtualsid	I'm no expert here, so going at it proper layman style.
2024-05-03 12:55:10	heat	which by default is 5s
2024-05-03 12:55:34	heat	so, by default, at any point you can lose up to 5s of data
2024-05-03 12:55:54	heat	(note: i'm using data very loosely, because file data itself is usually not journalled)
2024-05-03 12:56:02	virtualsid	let's say it was the grub config install that froze during the middle of the update - the weird thing, in my situation, is that grub worked, but it wouldn't boot the kernel.
2024-05-03 12:56:15	virtualsid	So it's really unclear to me what exactly the freeze affected.
2024-05-03 12:57:38	rcf	Because we’ve all been encouraged to move to FAT32 for /boot nowadays, that’s not even journaled. It wouldn’t be an issue as much if the distribution didn’t think panics during routine upgrades were Totally Fine, but it’s something to reconsider these days…
2024-05-03 12:58:07	virtualsid	heh. forgot about that... though I think my /boot is ext4 too.. just not crypted
2024-05-03 12:58:31	virtualsid	yeah, but /efi is FAT
2024-05-03 12:58:33	heat	i'm still on my /boot ext4 /boot/efi fat
2024-05-03 12:58:48	virtualsid	what FS do you use for the rest?
2024-05-03 12:59:02	heat	i use ext4 for everything
2024-05-03 12:59:13	virtualsid	oh, sorry. I got the impression you used something else. heh.
2024-05-03 13:02:41	heat	nah, i use ext4
2024-05-03 13:02:54	heat	i just know that for data safety ext4 isn't truly ideal :)
2024-05-03 13:02:57	Gnana	ah, finnanly steam started working after the update
2024-05-03 13:03:05	Gnana	of nvidia drivers
2024-05-03 13:05:02	carpenter	why is there no microsoft edge for Arch Linux?
2024-05-03 13:06:01	AlexC	it is in the AUR
2024-05-03 13:43:39	jenkins	I think lib32-nvidia-utils needs to be updated
2024-05-03 13:51:32	jelle	jenkins: because?
2024-05-03 13:51:58	Scimmia	it didn't get moved from testing with the rest
2024-05-03 13:54:59	jelle	pinged the maintainer who moved the kernel
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2024-05-03 14:01:31	einar	heat: virtualsid: holy! it just works!
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2024-05-03 14:02:10	einar	it even generated the correct initramfs automatically
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2024-05-03 14:07:36	virtualsid	woop woop
2024-05-03 14:07:42	virtualsid	glad it's working for you now, einar!
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2024-05-03 14:08:23	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-03 14:08:23	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1461 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1460 regular)
2024-05-03 14:08:27	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-05-03 14:10:13	dagle	If you get a std during a larp, does the std apply after the larp is over?
2024-05-03 14:10:30	dagle	Asking for a friend.
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2024-05-03 14:11:11	virtualsid	dagle: was that meant to be in #archlinux-offtopic ? ;) (also, hahaha)
2024-05-03 14:11:26	dagle	Ooops
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2024-05-03 14:12:08	Eisenhans	enjoy your syphilis. and now do a pacman -Syu ;)
2024-05-03 14:12:10	Web_Anon	Ugh... I had to go back to windows 10 to check wtf is going on with my hardware clock
2024-05-03 14:12:17	Web_Anon	Turns out RTC was turned off
2024-05-03 14:12:39	Web_Anon	Rebooted onto arch to turn it on... Hopefully that fixed it
2024-05-03 14:12:56	Web_Anon	Will find out in 2 days if it was the caused
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2024-05-03 14:13:26	Web_Anon	Eisenhans. Why not just yay
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2024-05-03 14:15:22	Eisenhans	Web_Anon: this was for another user ;) btw, how did you manage to turn RTC off?
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2024-05-03 14:18:35	demonicmaniac1	i presume he means utc
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2024-05-03 14:21:03	demonicmaniac1	or he's on alarm because i don't recall seeing any option to disable any hw rtcs on anything that isn't some embedded weird thing
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2024-05-03 14:34:08	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-03 14:33:41	lmat	sorry, wrong channel.
2024-05-03 14:34:12	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-05-03 15:01:21	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-03 14:53:35	Harm133	Hey guys, since today my Steam is crashing on start. When I run it with the `DEBUGGER=gdb` prefix it does start however. Already re-installed, remove .steam and .local/share/Steam. Any ideas?
2024-05-03 14:54:41	Scimmia	lib32-glibc problem
2024-05-03 14:54:53	Harm133	Known issue?
2024-05-03 14:55:04	Scimmia	yes, should be fixed in testing
2024-05-03 14:55:08	Harm133	Thanks :)
2024-05-03 14:55:33	Harm133	How could I've seen it was lib32-glibc?
2024-05-03 14:56:10	Scimmia	I didn't look into it, so I don't know the specifics, just saw it on the forums
2024-05-03 14:56:25	Harm133	Alright,thx :)
2024-05-03 14:57:24	tabulanil	Hey all, not sure if this would be a good place to ask, but what are people's views on qtile? I'll be doing a full setup of a new machine and I was thinking of giving it a try as I work with python on my day to day. I would like to know the overall experience
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2024-05-03 15:19:17	hseg	Another attempt at getting hibernation to work again -- tried bypassing systemd and writing to /sys/power/state directly, but that flashed a black screen, then froze the system. Trying to REISUB, I only got so far as RE iirc, at which point computer suspended. Booting, it presented me with a console login, and trying to power down after revealed the initial Xorg session was still running, which
2024-05-03 15:19:19	hseg	blocked unmounting /home and /tmp for a while (Xorg only closed once the poweroff unit sent it SIGKILL)
2024-05-03 15:19:38	hseg	Tried expanding the swapfile to 110% of RAM, didn't help
2024-05-03 15:20:04	hseg	Final remaining hypothesis -- is it bad that the swapfile is in the root partition?
2024-05-03 15:20:26	hseg	(if so, systemd's error message is unhelpfully confusing
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2024-05-03 15:26:31	MacGyver	No, that shouldn't matter.
2024-05-03 15:26:37	MacGyver	What filesystem is this?
2024-05-03 15:26:46	MacGyver	Swapfiles and hibernation do take some special care.
2024-05-03 15:27:00	MacGyver	(Which is why I prefer to work with LVM LVs)
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2024-05-03 15:28:45	hseg	ext4
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2024-05-03 15:30:59	MacGyver	hseg: No idea why it's not working, assuming you correctly followed all instructions under https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate#Acquire_swap_file_offset and made sure to check those numbers on every change.
2024-05-03 15:30:59	phrik	Title: Power management/Suspend and hibernate - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-03 15:32:42	hseg	aha! that explains it
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2024-05-03 15:33:02	hseg	hadn't updated the offset
2024-05-03 15:33:57	hseg	ugh, now I need to recall how to whip efibootmgr into shape again
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2024-05-03 16:01:55	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-03 15:43:07	MacGyver	hseg: Ah, so it was (or at least, may have been) the actual issue.
2024-05-03 15:43:47	MacGyver	I'm now slightly worried what happens to the bytes on disk when that offset is wrong.
2024-05-03 15:44:38	MacGyver	But I'm guessing on the *running* system, the kernel simply gets the information from the FS, it's only in the resume parameter that it needs to be told explicitly and then when it's wrong it can't read from the right place?
2024-05-03 15:46:24	hseg	that seems to be the case
2024-05-03 15:46:43	hseg	although, that still doesn't explain why systemd refused to hibernate
2024-05-03 15:47:02	hseg	one moment, rebooting into corrected kernel commandline
2024-05-03 15:50:25	hseg	That worked, actually
2024-05-03 15:50:48	hseg	huh. ig systemd reads the offset to try and check the file?
2024-05-03 15:56:27	Foxboron	New mkinitcpio release just hit [testing]
2024-05-03 15:56:27	Foxboron	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/mkinitcpio/mkinitcpio/-/releases/v39
2024-05-03 15:56:29	phrik	Title: v39 · Arch Linux / Mkinitcpio / mkinitcpio · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-03 15:59:08	mmt47	hello is there a way to run an executable with ranger file manager?
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2024-05-03 16:19:22	jerry_	i keep getting this error when running pacman -Syu: installing nvidia-utils (550.78-1) breaks dependency 'nvidia-utils=550.76' required by nvidia-lts
2024-05-03 16:19:44	jerry_	appears new nvidia-utils came out of testing but the corresponding nvidia-lts package did not?
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2024-05-03 16:20:50	Scimmia	jerry_: it did, though
2024-05-03 16:21:05	Scimmia	just not soon enough, wait for your mirror to sync
2024-05-03 16:21:17	jerry_	ah, ok. thanks
2024-05-03 16:21:51	jerry_	any way to speed up this sync or it's dependent on the mirror itself?
2024-05-03 16:22:07	Scimmia	determined by the mirror
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2024-05-03 16:32:54	bookworm	probably means your compositor crashed
2024-05-03 16:32:59	bookworm	assuming wayland
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2024-05-03 16:35:09	jelle	what happened?
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2024-05-03 16:40:31	gromit	Psi-Jack: try to get to the actuall causes of the issues 
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2024-05-03 16:54:08	Strykar	new nvidia driver package but lib32-glibc is still in testing? :/
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2024-05-03 16:56:17	rcf	Strykar: it has been reported 
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2024-05-03 16:58:07	Tom^	Psi-Jack: wayland is the future, become one of us.
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2024-05-03 16:59:03	gog	Psi-Jack: i've been having problems recently too but it's not easily reproducible
2024-05-03 16:59:28	gog	if i have vscode open it often locks up when logging out or leaving a nvidia-prime application
2024-05-03 16:59:46	gog	i'm waiting for explicit sync to be in mainline before going back to wayland
2024-05-03 16:59:50	gog	i'm necessarily tied to nvidia so
2024-05-03 17:00:13	gog	it's annoying but whatever, linux is often annoying to use
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2024-05-03 17:00:32	Tom^	Psi-Jack: i joined the evil side and just use a WM on wayland lol, got tired of the 300 interconnected plasma deps
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2024-05-03 17:02:07	gog	i like my software like i like my women: cutting-edge but unreliable
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2024-05-03 17:09:16	teraflops	Tom^: out of curiosity, which WM did you pick? 
2024-05-03 17:09:22	Tom^	teraflops: hyprland
2024-05-03 17:09:30	teraflops	same here ;)
2024-05-03 17:10:09	Tom^	swayfx could work too i guess, sway was just to bare
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2024-05-03 17:16:06	Tom^	teraflops: managed to get both discord, spotify, wine wayland native. so just steam left heh
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2024-05-03 17:22:27	teraflops	yeah same here no major issues
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2024-05-03 17:23:14	teraflops	I really like the 3 fingers swipe
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2024-05-03 17:35:47	espresso	gog: I thought I read that explicit sync was merged in mainline, dropped the transition patches and problem has not reappeared..
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2024-05-03 17:36:05	g105b	I'm trying to make an Arduino program, but I get this error message: avrdude: ser_open(): can't open device "/dev/ttyACM0": Permission denied
2024-05-03 17:36:05	g105b	If I inspect that device file with ls -la, I see this: crw-rw---- 1 root uucp 166, 0 May  3 16:30 /dev/ttyACM0
2024-05-03 17:36:05	g105b	And if I check the groups I'm in: wheel uucp g105b
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2024-05-03 17:44:31	espresso	g105b: lsof /dev/ttyACM0 should show what's using it (and maybe needs closed?) maybe check any Arduino logs..
2024-05-03 17:44:42	gog	espresso: guess i'll need to update then
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2024-05-03 17:46:21	streptokok	Old Linux user, easily confused. Wanted to use Lektor https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/lektor, but after yay -S lektor, /usr/bin/lektor says "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'lektor'".
2024-05-03 17:47:08	streptokok	I was used to compiling source into my private ~/bin, but python and pipx and all is beyond me. What could be wrong here? And whom to address for further questions?
2024-05-03 17:47:29	Namarrgon	Post the full output to a paste service.
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2024-05-03 17:47:44	streptokok	Just three lines really.
2024-05-03 17:48:03	streptokok	> File "/usr/bin/lektor", line 5, in <module>
2024-05-03 17:48:03	streptokok	>   from lektor.cli import main
2024-05-03 17:48:03	streptokok	> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'lektor' 
2024-05-03 17:48:25	streptokok	Something python'y, and I'm not well-versed in that. :/
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2024-05-03 17:48:54	jelle	streptokok: python3.12 happened
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2024-05-03 17:49:09	jelle	but this sounded like you pip install at some point
2024-05-03 17:49:13	Namarrgon	Are you running lektor in a venv?
2024-05-03 17:49:33	streptokok	No, no - all that was what I wanted to avoid by installing an AUR package.
2024-05-03 17:49:53	Namarrgon	ls -ld /usr/lib/python*
2024-05-03 17:50:10	Gnana	aur pakcgaes should be avoided to isntall ??
2024-05-03 17:50:12	jelle	ah, I missed that first part
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2024-05-03 17:50:45	streptokok	No I thought the AUR package would save me the trouble of pipx and all that new stuff. :l
2024-05-03 17:50:56	streptokok	Traceback (most recent call last):
2024-05-03 17:50:56	streptokok	  File "/usr/bin/lektor", line 5, in <module>
2024-05-03 17:50:56	streptokok	    from lektor.cli import main
2024-05-03 17:50:56	streptokok	  File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/lektor/cli.py", line 9, in <module>
2024-05-03 17:50:56	streptokok	    import pkg_resources
2024-05-03 17:50:56	streptokok	ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'pkg_resources'
2024-05-03 17:51:06	streptokok	..for completeness' sake.
2024-05-03 17:51:41	jerry_	Scimmia, thanks for your help before. I went through the mirror list and commented out any mirrors that were not at 100% and then it worked. I installed and configured reflector so hopefully the error won't happen again
2024-05-03 17:52:01	streptokok	Gnana: can I paste those three lines output here?
2024-05-03 17:52:01	Namarrgon	streptokok: Where is that from?
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2024-05-03 17:52:11	streptokok	Namarrgon: it's when I run lektor.
2024-05-03 17:52:35	Namarrgon	You said it's only the three lines you posted before that.
2024-05-03 17:52:55	streptokok	Well I reinstalled it just now and got five, sorry.
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2024-05-03 17:53:13	jelle	streptokok: do you have python-setuptools installed?
2024-05-03 17:53:25	streptokok	Had removed Lektor and moved on, but thought I'd ask here first after all.
2024-05-03 17:53:40	streptokok	jelle: no.
2024-05-03 17:53:49	jelle	install it
2024-05-03 17:53:50	streptokok	But I tell yay to remove build deps after install..
2024-05-03 17:54:23	jelle	streptokok: ok, but I don't are about that :)
2024-05-03 17:54:40	streptokok	(yeh sorry, I'm doing what you say, busy)
2024-05-03 17:55:03	Namarrgon	If the project needs setuptools at runtime then the PKGBUILD is missing a dependency.
2024-05-03 17:55:09	streptokok	Annnd it works indeed. :/
2024-05-03 17:55:18	jelle	report it on the aur package page
2024-05-03 17:55:31	jelle	and then tell upstream not to do this anymore :)
2024-05-03 17:55:39	streptokok	Firstly thanks for fixing it. :) Secondly report what, exactly?
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2024-05-03 17:56:14	rcf	streptokok: it’s not a build dependency, it’s just a dependency. 
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2024-05-03 17:56:32	streptokok	Okay my wording was off.
2024-05-03 17:56:58	streptokok	Just wanted to state "yay -S lektor" is what I did, and when it asks to remove the deps after install I confirm.
2024-05-03 17:57:01	streptokok	Echh text.
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2024-05-03 17:57:05	jelle	streptokok: <stdin>:1: DeprecationWarning: pkg_resources is deprecated as an API. See https://setuptools.pypa.io/en/latest/pkg_resources.html
2024-05-03 17:57:07	phrik	Title: Package Discovery and Resource Access using pkg_resources - setuptools 69.5.1.post20240502 documentationMenuExpandLight modeDark modeAuto light/dark mode (at setuptools.pypa.io)
2024-05-03 17:57:09	jelle	so soon this will break :)
2024-05-03 17:57:10	streptokok	jelle: much thx.
2024-05-03 17:57:15	rcf	streptokok: no, yours is fine. It is the AUR maintainer who is wrong.
2024-05-03 17:57:55	streptokok	🤷 My problem is fixed; but what shall I maybe do/report?
2024-05-03 17:58:24	SergeantBiggs	streptokok: report to the aur package maintainer that setuptools is a runtime dependency
2024-05-03 17:58:38	streptokok	Okay.
2024-05-03 17:58:46	streptokok	Thank a bunch all of you.
2024-05-03 17:58:51	streptokok	+s there
2024-05-03 17:59:21	rcf	Doing so in a comment will help others who encounter this issue. 
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2024-05-03 17:59:55	streptokok	But then I need to get me an account and all. 😏 Thought I'd just mail the maintainer.
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2024-05-03 18:03:03	streptokok	I seem to have a wiki account, but not AUR. Would prefer to avoid the hassle of creating an account, is it okay if I mail the maintainer that "setuptools is a runtime dependency"?
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2024-05-03 18:07:33	streptokok	Need to make an account anyway to contact him. 😒 Will do as a token of gratitude, because thanks again jelle for fixing my Lektor! o/
2024-05-03 18:08:50	ikeaviking	I'm working on setting up a bridge interface to run some VM's.  I keep getting this error "br0: netdev could not be created: Operation not supported"
2024-05-03 18:09:29	ikeaviking	bridge-utils are installed
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2024-05-03 18:24:40	Namarrgon	ikeaviking: uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2024-05-03 18:25:55	ikeaviking	[root@node01 ~]# uname -r && pacman -Q linux linux-hardened
2024-05-03 18:25:55	ikeaviking	6.8.8-hardened1-1-hardened
2024-05-03 18:25:55	ikeaviking	linux 6.8.9.arch1-1
2024-05-03 18:25:55	ikeaviking	linux-hardened 6.8.9.hardened1-1
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2024-05-03 18:26:13	Namarrgon	You forgot to reboot after the last kernel update.
2024-05-03 18:26:27	ikeaviking	I did not, this is a fresh install
2024-05-03 18:26:46	Namarrgon	Do you not see the two different versions in the output?
2024-05-03 18:26:51	ikeaviking	the 6.8.9 just got installed moments ago
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2024-05-03 18:27:04	Namarrgon	Yes, that's the problem, you forgot to reboot into the new kernel.
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2024-05-03 18:27:29	ikeaviking	you can't forget to reboot to something when it just got installed.  This issue was before that pacman -Syu
2024-05-03 18:27:48	Namarrgon	You have to reboot either way so get it over with now.
2024-05-03 18:28:22	Namarrgon	If this doesn't fix the problem then test with the regular "linux" kernel.
2024-05-03 18:28:39	ikeaviking	it's an issue on both kernels
2024-05-03 18:29:06	Namarrgon	Have you tested it or are you just assuming?
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2024-05-03 18:30:11	ikeaviking	I've tested it?
2024-05-03 18:30:40	another|	so you rebooted?
2024-05-03 18:30:42	Namarrgon	What command gives you the "not supported" output?
2024-05-03 18:31:07	ikeaviking	it's not the kernel, but yes the system is rebooted.
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2024-05-03 18:31:22	Namarrgon	No, it is not rebooted, you're running an old kernel.
2024-05-03 18:31:49	another|	uname -r
2024-05-03 18:31:53	Namarrgon	What is the point of asking for help when you just discard the advice you get?
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2024-05-03 18:59:39	hdh	Nice, will check it out.
2024-05-03 19:00:14	demonicmaniac1	fwiw has there ever been an official "fix" for the race condition creating the crashes/panics on udevadm trigger hooks or did everybody just accept it happening occasionally/disabled the hook?
2024-05-03 19:00:22	ikeaviking	Namarrgon https://pastebin.com/M6gByYMw
2024-05-03 19:00:22	phrik	Title: 25-br0-en.network 25-br0.link 25-br0.netdev 25-br0.network[root@node01 netw - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-05-03 19:00:23	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XXys.txt
2024-05-03 19:05:07	another|	ikeaviking: note that bridge-utils are deprecated and not needed
2024-05-03 19:05:22	Namarrgon	ikeaviking: Can you also post what you see in the journal?
2024-05-03 19:06:26	ikeaviking	Namarrgon https://pastebin.com/akZenYZm
2024-05-03 19:06:27	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XXyo.txt
2024-05-03 19:06:27	phrik	Title: -- Boot 69bad2c1a5584454a3e0ef07ac3b0308 --May 03 16:28:50 node01 systemd[1]: - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-05-03 19:07:45	Namarrgon	ikeaviking: Have you tried this with the "linux" kernel?
2024-05-03 19:08:23	ikeaviking	I have and same outcome
2024-05-03 19:08:52	Namarrgon	Does the bridge interface get created?
2024-05-03 19:08:58	Namarrgon	Is the bridge module loaded?
2024-05-03 19:09:09	ikeaviking	it does not get created, and there's not a bridge module
2024-05-03 19:09:22	Namarrgon	Load it manually and see what errors you get.
2024-05-03 19:09:25	ikeaviking	the module was my first guess, as it seems like a missing module.  but one doesn't exist
2024-05-03 19:09:42	ikeaviking	[root@node01 network]# modprobe bridge
2024-05-03 19:09:43	ikeaviking	modprobe: FATAL: Module bridge not found in directory /lib/modules/6.8.9-hardened1-1-hardened
2024-05-03 19:10:27	Namarrgon	usr/lib/modules/6.8.9-hardened1-1-hardened/kernel/net/bridge/bridge.ko.zst
2024-05-03 19:10:59	Namarrgon	"ls -l /usr /"
2024-05-03 19:12:39	another|	does /usr/lib/modules/6.8.9-hardened1-1-hardened/kernel/net/bridge/bridge.ko.zst exist?
2024-05-03 19:18:07	ikeaviking	it does not
2024-05-03 19:18:19	ikeaviking	> does /usr/lib/modules/6.8.9-hardened1-1-hardened/kernel doesn't exist
2024-05-03 19:18:41	ikeaviking	I'm currently waiting on the package to reinstall as something didn't trigger right there
2024-05-03 20:06:04	TKD_tower	wasnt youtube-dl in official repos
2024-05-03 20:06:09	jelle	it was
2024-05-03 20:06:15	jelle	then I threw it out
2024-05-03 20:06:19	TKD_tower	you?
2024-05-03 20:07:22	novns	TKD_tower, youtube-dl was replaced by more maintained yt-dlp
2024-05-03 20:07:34	TKD_tower	they arent same packages doing same things
2024-05-03 20:07:53	TKD_tower	some say yt-dlp runs proprietary javascript, if any javascript
2024-05-03 20:08:05	mpan	TKD_tower: where is the practical difference, for you, other than youtube-dl being effectively dead?
2024-05-03 20:08:23	TKD_tower	just told u
2024-05-03 20:08:39	jelle	TKD_tower: "some say"
2024-05-03 20:08:41	jelle	                  phantomjs: for extractors with javascript code
2024-05-03 20:08:43	novns	TKD_tower, it can run JS from some sites to act like a web browser
2024-05-03 20:08:46	jelle	it's an optional dependency so *shrug*
2024-05-03 20:09:09	TKD_tower	you sure thats it?
2024-05-03 20:09:41	jelle	to whom are you responding? :)
2024-05-03 20:09:50	mpan	TKD_tower: you must run that code to access the aforementioned content. You may alternatively have no support for given webapps in yt-dlp (or youtube-dl).
2024-05-03 20:09:53	TKD_tower	jelle
2024-05-03 20:09:56	TKD_tower	actually both
2024-05-03 20:10:14	jelle	TKD_tower: if you can proof that there is a Python project that executes JS then call me suprised
2024-05-03 20:11:10	mpan	TKD_tower: also, it doesn’t *require* it. You may not install that feature (at the cost of not being able to extract content from sources, that require it).
2024-05-03 20:11:40	TKD_tower	is phantomjs the only single thing about yt-dlp about js
2024-05-03 20:12:02	mpan	Yes
2024-05-03 20:12:06	TKD_tower	ok
2024-05-03 20:12:17	sangy	does anybody know how easy/hard would it be to set up an MPD server to act as a "radio" station (i.e., you don't get to choose what it's playing but it's always playing something)
2024-05-03 20:12:48	jelle	sounds like icecast
2024-05-03 20:12:58	sangy	oh so icecast behaves like that ? cool :D 
2024-05-03 20:13:09	jelle	sangy: well that is what rings a bell for me :D
2024-05-03 20:13:19	Earnestly	I wonder if there is something newer than icecast these days
2024-05-03 20:13:26	sangy	can I pipewire+meme shit into icecast ?
2024-05-03 20:13:36	sangy	so I can listen myself, but anybody can tune into whatever I'm listening to 
2024-05-03 20:13:45	Earnestly	sangy: mpd and icecast has been the fairly canonical way of doing it
2024-05-03 20:13:52	sangy	noice
2024-05-03 20:14:10	demonicmaniac1	jelle: actually yt-dlp contains a js interpreter to handle parsing of js and generating urls for some websites without phantomjs
2024-05-03 20:14:12	sangy	is icecast on top of something known like rtmp ? or is its own meme 
2024-05-03 20:14:18	demonicmaniac1	phantomjs is only for stateful stuff
2024-05-03 20:14:24	sangy	demonicmaniac1: been a while since I've seen your handle. Keep staying alive
2024-05-03 20:14:25	Earnestly	But there appears to be something called rsas now which is a drop-in replacement for icecast
2024-05-03 20:14:36	sangy	?wtf rsas
2024-05-03 20:14:38	@EMIYA	sangy: no results for 'rsas'
2024-05-03 20:14:47	demonicmaniac1	jelle: but it's the same js parsing that youtube-dl also has so no idea what he was going on about
2024-05-03 20:15:00	sangy	NetSysFire: you're not my mom
2024-05-03 20:15:01	jelle	demonicmaniac1: ah, but they really made an interperter?
2024-05-03 20:15:21	sangy	NetSysFire: you sound more like jordan peterson ngl 
2024-05-03 20:15:30	jensen	for sound, do you generally want more than just pipewire-pulse, e.g. pipewire-alsa, pipewire-jack, and rtkit? audio DAC recommends "native ALSA" which i'm guessing pipewire-alsa is not "good enough" but AFAIK you can't have per-volume app control with just native ALSA so it's not really suitable for Linux desktop, right? 
2024-05-03 20:15:36	jensen	as for pipewire-jack, are there any popular applications that use them? These are just APIs, would you just install all pipewire-{pulse,alsa,jack} packages for applications to use them (i assume they use them automatically and no additional config is required?)
2024-05-03 20:15:44	jensen	also heard rtkit is recommended (apparently to prevent cracking/popping issues) but i don't really see it mentioned in the wiki as something to explicity install/enable to do anything other than an assumption that it was already installed
2024-05-03 20:15:49	demonicmaniac1	jelle: well just for the "basics" it's not an actual spidermonkey or anything sophisticated /usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/yt_dlp/jsinterp.py
2024-05-03 20:16:07	jelle	interesting
2024-05-03 20:16:25	demonicmaniac1	but again - that's not new to dlp was in youtube-dl as well
2024-05-03 20:16:38	demonicmaniac1	NetSysFire: sounded more like a troll to me
2024-05-03 20:16:41	sangy	demonicmaniac1: >python3.12
2024-05-03 20:16:44	sangy	look at this nerd, updating his computer
2024-05-03 20:16:55	sangy	NetSysFire: I'll head back to alot now
2024-05-03 20:16:56	demonicmaniac1	i actually REBOOTED TODAY!
2024-05-03 20:17:04	Earnestly	Reboot more often
2024-05-03 20:17:50	sangy	>14:17:45 up 81 days,  4:05,  2 users,  load average: 1.34, 1.16, 1.16 
2024-05-03 20:17:52	sangy	ah shit 
2024-05-03 20:18:02	Earnestly	Too long, moar reboot
2024-05-03 20:18:11	Earnestly	(After update ofc)
2024-05-03 20:18:23	sangy	I honestly just reboot when I need a new kernel module
2024-05-03 20:18:29	sangy	and since all my kmods rn are cozy 
2024-05-03 20:18:45	demonicmaniac1	i used to do that with 300+ days of uptime but that's really not healthy
2024-05-03 20:19:00	Earnestly	yes, lazy is fine too though
2024-05-03 20:19:02	sangy	honestly I should reboot, but after I grade 
2024-05-03 20:19:21	chikuwasuka	i almost never leave my pc on overnight, no reason to
2024-05-03 20:19:49	Earnestly	Problem isn't so much login but resuming all tasks as they were
2024-05-03 20:20:00	Earnestly	Still trying to automate that process
2024-05-03 20:20:31	demonicmaniac1	at some point seeing too many [updated] in top/ps_mem just make me take the plunge
2024-05-03 20:20:36	espresso	chikuwasuka: same, and save energy :D
2024-05-03 20:21:32	demonicmaniac1	chikuwasuka: espresso: laptop idling at 2w total :)
2024-05-03 20:21:55	chikuwasuka	my gaming laptop would never
2024-05-03 20:22:52	chikuwasuka	besides, it's 12 seconds to turn it on, not like with the old spinning drives
2024-05-03 20:23:53	golam71	i use arch btw
2024-05-03 20:24:06	sangy	prove it 
2024-05-03 20:24:11	golam71	how
2024-05-03 20:24:23	gog	yes
2024-05-03 20:24:25	gog	i run arch too
2024-05-03 20:24:29	gog	hello fellow arch users
2024-05-03 20:24:30	golam71	wait posting neofetch
2024-05-03 20:24:32	Eisenhans	hrmpf. nvidia 550.76 to 550.78 -> videos are tearing again :(
2024-05-03 20:24:39	luna_	same but not on this laptop :p
2024-05-03 20:24:45	chikuwasuka	i'm still using nvidia 545. fix your shit nvidia
2024-05-03 20:24:52	espresso	demonicmaniac1: nice!  My desktop is lower wattage than past models but can't do that, but the Pi can do low-wattage if it has something to do. :)
2024-05-03 20:24:55	sangy	I only use the arch userspace
2024-05-03 20:24:57	luna_	well technically the machine that runs my irssi session runs Arch btw
2024-05-03 20:25:09	golam71	http://bashupload.com/AZEds/l.txt
2024-05-03 20:25:14	golam71	neofetch btw*
2024-05-03 20:25:27	another|	I never considered this meme particularly funny
2024-05-03 20:25:33	sangy	that's also an L 
2024-05-03 20:25:47	sangy	another|: it's not a meme, it's factual. I use arch
2024-05-03 20:26:15	another|	sangy: cool story bro. /s
2024-05-03 20:26:17	astralc	you are not using arch btw, unless you set you wallpaper to archbtw.png
2024-05-03 20:26:20	golam71	curl gbin.me/5d9   
2024-05-03 20:26:26	golam71	this should work
2024-05-03 20:26:42	sangy	wild 
2024-05-03 20:26:43	golam71	i used use them
2024-05-03 20:26:52	golam71	but people block them for no reason
2024-05-03 20:26:58	sangy	astralc: can you send me archbtw.png ? 
2024-05-03 20:27:02	sangy	!arch4
2024-05-03 20:27:03	phrik	sangy: No idea
2024-05-03 20:27:05	sangy	!arch3
2024-05-03 20:27:05	phrik	http://www.imux.net/images/funny/Arch1.jpg
2024-05-03 20:27:07	phrik	Arch Sucks™
2024-05-03 20:27:08	demonicmaniac1	espresso: i mean at least there IS some powersaving since a few years - i remember the core2 and radeon hd 2xxx days and phenom - you were lucky when a pc with a gpu idled < 80w
2024-05-03 20:27:11	golam71	like in google cloud where i most times ssh 0x0st is banned
2024-05-03 20:27:26	espresso	demonicmaniac1: exactly!
2024-05-03 20:27:33	astralc	ah, all those [41C
2024-05-03 20:27:34	sangy	are you using arch vps's on gcp ? '
2024-05-03 20:27:46	golam71	i use docker on google cloud
2024-05-03 20:27:53	golam71	 docker run -it archlinux:latest
2024-05-03 20:27:57	astralc	sangy: archlinux-wallpaper package
2024-05-03 20:28:19	golam71	most people use pywal and a nature or anime wallpaper to rice 
2024-05-03 20:28:55	sangy	astralc: >36mb
2024-05-03 20:28:57	sangy	wut 
2024-05-03 20:28:58	astralc	I just use salt, pepper, and sometimes onion with rice
2024-05-03 20:30:01	astralc	check the url of the package
2024-05-03 20:30:37	Earnestly	sangy: Oh nvm, mpd can do http streaming itself
2024-05-03 20:30:41	Earnestly	If you just need simple thing
2024-05-03 20:30:55	sangy	yeah this will probably cut it 
2024-05-03 20:31:03	sangy	let me meme with this 
2024-05-03 20:31:25	luna_	Earnestly: think it can stream to icecast if i remember right
2024-05-03 20:31:27	golam71	rice means customizing linux in computer slang
2024-05-03 20:32:07	golam71	just in case
2024-05-03 20:32:12	Earnestly	luna_: Yes, but it can also do the http bit itself as well
2024-05-03 20:32:21	luna_	Earnestly: ah did not know that 
2024-05-03 20:32:47	rcf	Earnestly: it works quite well, I used to use it with an android client with built-in player as a makeshift streaming solution on my phone 
2024-05-03 20:34:39	golam71	u guys using cli right
2024-05-03 20:35:52	gog	no
2024-05-03 20:36:26	gog	does it count if i always have a terminal open for file management and text editing
2024-05-03 20:36:41	gog	oh
2024-05-03 20:36:51	gog	whatever i don't care if i'm a real linux user
2024-05-03 20:37:14	gog	just kill me please
2024-05-03 20:37:23	gog	that sounds more pleasant
2024-05-03 20:37:26	gog	i would never use nano
2024-05-03 20:37:50	astralc	so only ed allowed?
2024-05-03 20:37:55	gog	yes
2024-05-03 20:37:58	gog	line editors only
2024-05-03 20:39:44	golam71	ed was reallay ahead of its time
2024-05-03 20:40:55	chikuwasuka	i've forced myself to only use vim just so i stop forgetting the keybindings
2024-05-03 20:42:11	golam71	you cant forget the bindings it will be muscle memeroy at some point
2024-05-03 20:42:58	golam71	yooo no way
2024-05-03 20:43:03	golam71	google cloud now uses ubuntu
2024-05-03 20:43:09	golam71	instead of debian
2024-05-03 20:43:22	golam71	the heck man
2024-05-03 20:43:27	Warepire	golam71: At $WORK we have posters with ":q!" on them, because people kept getting stuck in vim
2024-05-03 20:44:08	golam71	Warepire bro when you open vim it says :q! to get out and even if you do ctrl+c u see the message
2024-05-03 21:04:58	astralc	what you use extension pack for?
2024-05-03 21:05:36	astralc	I think you don't need the pack for this
2024-05-03 21:06:02	astralc	for 3.0, in the past
2024-05-03 21:07:07	astralc	look likes that
2024-05-03 21:44:01	arcturus	i still have issues with qt6 and sway
2024-05-03 21:44:27	arcturus	i feel like if sway was more popular these issues would have been sorted by now
2024-05-03 21:48:59	demonicmaniac1	wasn't the glibc issue just nvidia? or is this an entirely new issue nothing to do with the -3 issues with nvidia/steam specifically
2024-05-03 21:52:39	alad	Your face is totally unstable
2024-05-03 21:58:43	bswartz	Plutonium is unstable
2024-05-03 22:00:26	alad	>: O
2024-05-03 22:06:20	edu4rdshl	XD
2024-05-03 22:55:10	charademon	exit
2024-05-03 22:55:19	alad	exit
2024-05-03 22:55:22	Distempr	enter
2024-05-03 22:55:40	astralc	abscond
2024-05-03 22:55:40	alad	backspace
2024-05-03 22:57:20	edu4rdshl	So, you can use systemd on your mac too
2024-05-03 22:57:26	alad	no way
2024-05-03 22:58:01	astralc	why?
2024-05-03 22:59:36	edu4rdshl	Ah https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/308830, it's for cross-compiling, sad. When I saw it for the first time didn't had the last comment
2024-05-03 22:59:38	edu4rdshl	:p
2024-05-03 23:03:32	esph	Is there anything I can do to stop the journal being spammed by millions of lines per day by that amdgpu use-after-free bug?
2024-05-03 23:04:29	esph	(other than wait for the fix to make it downstream)
2024-05-03 23:10:34	edu4rdshl	esph, is it really being spammed by **millions of lines** per day? systemd has a rate limit for situations like it
2024-05-03 23:11:54	edu4rdshl	Also, if you give a log about what you're talking about that will be more helpful
2024-05-03 23:12:57	esph	edu4rdshl: `journalctl -b -1 | wc -l` gives me 1696139, and that was about a day (it's almost all amdgpu lines). I'm already aware of the problem, it's this: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/3171
2024-05-03 23:13:01	phrik	Title: BUG: KFENCE: use-after-free read in amdgpu_bo_move+0x1ce/0x710 [amdgpu] (#3171) · Issues · drm / amd · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2024-05-03 23:13:36	esph	amdgpu has shown some really bad regressions for me in the last year, and that's just the latest :/
2024-05-03 23:15:44	edu4rdshl	Not sure if you can "hide" it from the journal, it's a kernel module so you need to touch the kernel logging directly
2024-05-03 23:16:47	edu4rdshl	See `sysctl kernel.printk`
2024-05-03 23:17:02	edu4rdshl	https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/next/core-api/printk-basics.html
2024-05-03 23:17:03	phrik	Title: Message logging with printk — The Linux Kernel documentation (at www.kernel.org)
2024-05-03 23:17:13	esph	journal jumped up to 2G in size recently, mostly because of this. Generally the biggest problem though is that eventually it takes an age to load the journal of the current boot
2024-05-03 23:19:06	Namarrgon	Is 6.6 affected, too?
2024-05-03 23:20:53	demonicmaniac1	jesus i just quickly checked amdgpu modinfo and - that's a LOT of params
2024-05-03 23:24:27	esph	Namarrgon: not sure, though one person in the bug report claimed it isn't. I suppose I should try the lts at least
2024-05-03 23:25:06	esph	amdgpu has been just terrible since early 6.x for me though. Brings down X entirely with some regularity
2024-05-03 23:25:07	Namarrgon	Sit it out on lts until the fix makes it into a release.
2024-05-03 23:25:35	Namarrgon	Or apply the patch yourself.
2024-05-03 23:26:04	esph	yeah, just thought maybe there was a way to elide the intense error spam. Guess it's not that easy
2024-05-03 23:30:30	demonicmaniac1	is that a general rdna3 dgpu thing or mostly 7900 xt/x specific? 
2024-05-03 23:33:48	xecuter	hiho, with the tool "parsec" i get not my own host. someone know alternative or a hint?
2024-05-03 23:35:50	esph	demonicmaniac1: dunno. I've got an RX 570 here. Worked great on all the 5.x releases. Really irritating problems starting in 6
2024-05-03 23:36:26	demonicmaniac1	oh i see since the bugreport you linked had a 7900xtx
2024-05-03 23:37:07	esph	That bug affects a lot of cards I think. My card has other more specific regressions in the last year
2024-05-03 23:39:42	demonicmaniac1	*knocks on wood* my vega apus have been doing fine
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2024-05-04 00:01:22	kode54	son of a gun
2024-05-04 00:01:26	kode54	another Fall Guys crash
2024-05-04 00:01:35	CodeLog	womp womp
2024-05-04 00:01:36	kode54	upgrading my glibc
2024-05-04 00:01:41	kode54	this is on AMD too
2024-05-04 00:01:58	kode54	not a GPU crash, just the game crashing
2024-05-04 00:02:18	CodeLog	The fix for the issue I was having is now in core
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2024-05-04 00:05:27	another|	The guys went too far. Now they fall…                                                                   /s
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2024-05-04 00:06:03	kode54	I had D3D11 UE4 games crashing last night too
2024-05-04 00:06:10	kode54	and not in Steam
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2024-05-04 00:24:42	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-04 00:31:26	snoriman	KDDLB: when I create a service file and set the `User=<name>` then the .pgpass for that user will be used right? (just double checking)
2024-05-04 00:31:32	KDDLB	yes
2024-05-04 00:31:37	snoriman	thanks
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2024-05-04 00:39:57	kode54	where do I report a crash with a Steam Proton game? apparently upstream only cares about Ubuntu
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2024-05-04 00:44:49	td123	Just ran pacman -Syu and I'm now getting an error when starting kitty (I have nvidia driver): [glfw error 65543]: GLX: Failed to create context: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) Failed to create GLFW temp window! This usually happens because of old/broken OpenGL drivers. kitty requires working OpenGL 3.3 drivers.
2024-05-04 00:46:14	Scimmia	td123: did you reboot? Strange things can happen if you mix versions of the driver and the utils
2024-05-04 00:46:50	td123	Scimmia: thanks for the suggestion, I did not in fact try rebooting, brb
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2024-05-04 00:48:21	td123	Scimmia: that worked, thank you for your solution!
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2024-05-04 00:48:47	kode54	I rebooted after updating, and Fall Guys is still randomly crashing
2024-05-04 00:48:49	Scimmia	np
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2024-05-04 00:54:38	kode54	I had to switch System Shock Remake to D3D12 to stop crashes
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2024-05-04 01:41:17	randomusr2	I'm looking for a usb pcie card that may be either all usb type-c or a mix of a and c ports. Looking for power delivery. is there anything I should look out for or know before I get a card?
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2024-05-04 01:54:39	demonicmaniac1	randomusr2: that's not really gonna work if you mean power delivery as PD spec unless you have a 16x free - the pcie slot has 6w for x1, 25w for x4, 50w for x8, 75w for x16
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2024-05-04 02:04:12	rcf	demonicmaniac1: PD works fine as long as the card has an additional power connector. 
2024-05-04 02:04:46	rcf	randomusr2: what sort of power are you needing here? 
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2024-05-04 04:51:37	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-04 06:05:56	tijko	he
2024-05-04 06:05:59	tijko	hey
2024-05-04 06:06:24	tijko	I'm seeing Haskell's stack is running ghc 9.6.4
2024-05-04 06:06:39	tijko	but my base ghc is at 9.2.8
2024-05-04 06:06:46	tijko	and it's broken
2024-05-04 06:07:09	tijko	I can get ghci running with the stack tool via: stack ghci
2024-05-04 06:07:17	tijko	but running straight: ghci
2024-05-04 06:07:18	tijko	fails
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2024-05-04 06:20:09	tijko	I see ghc 9.2.8 on the Archlinux package page, it's been "flagged out of date"
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2024-05-04 06:43:22	thurstylark	tijko: don't know much about haskell, but have you been through this section? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Haskell#Configuring_Cabal_for_dynamic_linking
2024-05-04 06:43:23	phrik	Title: Haskell - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-04 06:43:36	thurstylark	whups, meant the one for stack: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Haskell#Configuring_Stack_for_dynamic_linking
2024-05-04 06:43:37	phrik	Title: Haskell - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-04 06:54:41	tijko	thurstylark yep
2024-05-04 06:55:09	tijko	I've had a working Haskell environment for a long ass time now.
2024-05-04 06:55:47	tijko	I started doing something else that I had been meaning to do but I'll take a closer look in the morning.
2024-05-04 06:56:00	tijko	Thank you for the reply though :)
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2024-05-04 06:58:34	thurstylark	np, definitely try back again at a busier time. You'll probably get a much more useful answer :P
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2024-05-04 07:09:42	Strykar	uhm ":: installing virtualbox (7.0.18-1) breaks dependency 'virtualbox=7.0.16' required by virtualbox-ext-oracle" What did I miss?
2024-05-04 07:10:02	Strykar	https://bpa.st/AARA
2024-05-04 07:10:03	phrik	Title: View paste AARA (at bpa.st)
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2024-05-04 07:14:12	Scimmia	Strykar: uninstall your AUR package
2024-05-04 07:15:13	Strykar	ah I forgot "virtualbox-ext-oracle" is from teh aur :(, thanks Scimmia 
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2024-05-04 07:16:57	Scimmia	Strykar: most people don't need the extension pack at all anymore
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2024-05-04 07:18:47	Strykar	Scimmia: yep, I needed it for USB 3 passthrough IIRC, gonna try without to see if it works
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2024-05-04 07:19:32	Scimmia	Strykar: that got included without the extension pack in version 7
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2024-05-04 07:26:32	Strykar	I see, TBH, I can't even recall why I installed virtualbox over virt-manager, prolly was USB passthrough which works a charm on Virtualbox
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2024-05-04 07:56:52	BetweenUs	Does it something changed what would be impacted on external monitor on laptop with  nvidia GPU?
2024-05-04 07:57:07	BetweenUs	in hyprland conf I have: monitor=eDP-1, preffered,auto,1.33333333333,mirror,HDMI-A-1
2024-05-04 07:57:40	BetweenUs	but yesterday internal monitor was black
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2024-05-04 07:58:10	BetweenUs	where is the typo?
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2024-05-04 07:59:21	BetweenUs	aaaa, 2f
2024-05-04 07:59:30	BetweenUs	ty
2024-05-04 08:00:21	BetweenUs	I will try now, but how then it has been worked
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2024-05-04 08:01:31	Strykar	should have told him it needs 2r's too
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2024-05-04 08:02:37	Strykar	doesn't seem like English's their first language, $5 says he's back saying its still not working
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2024-05-04 08:03:06	BetweenUs	hahhaa, Strykar 
2024-05-04 08:03:13	BetweenUs	it works
2024-05-04 08:03:24	Strykar	good thing NetSysFire didn't wager then
2024-05-04 08:03:27	BetweenUs	obviously I added another f
2024-05-04 08:03:34	Strykar	uhm
2024-05-04 08:03:51	BetweenUs	and accidently close the weechat
2024-05-04 08:04:00	Strykar	BetweenUs: paste the current line again
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2024-05-04 08:04:29	BetweenUs	monitor=eDP-1,prefered,auto,1.33333333333,mirror,HDMI-A-1
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2024-05-04 08:04:46	Strykar	NetSysFire ^ :)
2024-05-04 08:05:24	BetweenUs	edited in nvim, so maybe I paste second f
2024-05-04 08:05:43	BetweenUs	but you are right about English.
2024-05-04 08:06:24	BetweenUs	we are lucky that programming languages don't have articles XD
2024-05-04 08:06:42	BetweenUs	definite and indefinite :)
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2024-05-04 08:09:27	BetweenUs	indeed
2024-05-04 08:09:33	BetweenUs	how then it works?
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2024-05-04 08:10:26	BetweenUs	I added and save  the conf. Now it is ok.
2024-05-04 08:11:31	BetweenUs	yea, well perfect English is my main complex, frustration
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2024-05-04 08:15:26	BetweenUs	it needs to be "preferred"? Doesn't it?
2024-05-04 08:16:05	BetweenUs	https://wiki.hyprland.org/Configuring/Monitors/
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2024-05-04 08:16:06	phrik	Title: Monitors – Hyprland Wiki (at wiki.hyprland.org)
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2024-05-04 08:17:20	BetweenUs	I changed it.
2024-05-04 08:18:13	BetweenUs	it works. Another, problem, kernel panic happens occasionally
2024-05-04 08:18:16	BetweenUs	NVIDIA-SMI 550.76                 Driver Version: 550.76         CUDA Version: 12.4    
2024-05-04 08:18:30	BetweenUs	above is my nvidia driver
2024-05-04 08:19:00	BetweenUs	kernel panic happens, Idk, afer some Steam game, maybe?
2024-05-04 08:19:06	BetweenUs	war thunder
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2024-05-04 08:19:31	BetweenUs	but it is not the rule, it happens really rare
2024-05-04 08:19:35	chikuwasuka	@BetweenUs: are you on a laptop?
2024-05-04 08:19:39	BetweenUs	yea
2024-05-04 08:19:47	chikuwasuka	yeah, 550 drivers are bugged for laptops
2024-05-04 08:20:07	BetweenUs	hmmm, 
2024-05-04 08:20:11	chikuwasuka	downgrade to 545, some people said blacklisting nvidia_uvm works instead, some said it didn't
2024-05-04 08:20:44	BetweenUs	really
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2024-05-04 08:21:12	chikuwasuka	i should know, i posted the first thread about it on the arch forums lol
2024-05-04 08:21:34	BetweenUs	will it be unbugged in the following ver? I mean just to wait
2024-05-04 08:21:47	BetweenUs	^^^ chikuwasuka 
2024-05-04 08:21:58	chikuwasuka	maybe? what nvidia has said hasn't been encouraging. they still can't reproduce the bug
2024-05-04 08:22:14	chikuwasuka	so yes, they'll fix it, but it might take way longer than it should
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2024-05-04 08:23:07	BetweenUs	even hyprland Ctrl+m always ends with black screen 
2024-05-04 08:23:16	BetweenUs	I avoid it
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2024-05-04 08:24:16	chikuwasuka	what is ctrl+m supposed to do? if it always panics that means it's reproducible
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2024-05-04 08:24:47	BetweenUs	Mod+m actually, exit from hyprland
2024-05-04 08:25:30	BetweenUs	no, kernel panic is occasionally, but the exit from hyprland is another isue
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2024-05-04 08:26:18	BetweenUs	*issue
2024-05-04 08:26:30	chikuwasuka	ah, got it. i can't help you with the hyprland issue, i've never used it
2024-05-04 08:27:01	BetweenUs	what do you use and on which configuration?
2024-05-04 08:27:24	chikuwasuka	i use openbox lol, probably not what you're looking for
2024-05-04 08:28:02	BetweenUs	I always look for something fast and stable
2024-05-04 08:28:16	BetweenUs	on laptop with nvidia?
2024-05-04 08:28:29	BetweenUs	your configuration?
2024-05-04 08:28:30	chikuwasuka	yeah, but i have windows dual-booted for gaming + other stuff
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2024-05-04 08:29:12	chikuwasuka	i used to play minecraft on linux but rn i keep work + gaming pretty well separated
2024-05-04 08:30:05	BetweenUs	and you have an option in bios: discrete graphics and dynamic graphics?
2024-05-04 08:30:33	chikuwasuka	on windows it switches automatically, on linux i use nvidia-prime if i need to run something on the dgpu
2024-05-04 08:30:48	BetweenUs	and nvidia-prime works well?
2024-05-04 08:31:08	BetweenUs	with external monitor?
2024-05-04 08:32:01	BetweenUs	and you can't play minecraft on linux?
2024-05-04 08:32:10	chikuwasuka	i've never used an external monitor but it should, esp. if you have a port that connects directly to your dgpu
2024-05-04 08:32:15	BetweenUs	I'm just curious
2024-05-04 08:33:02	chikuwasuka	i can play minecraft on linux, i just decided i'd rather keep all my games on windows so it isn't so easy to get distracted from writing resumes and start gaming again xD
2024-05-04 08:33:31	BetweenUs	yea, hdmi is connected to gpu
2024-05-04 08:33:38	BetweenUs	ok, thank you chikuwasuka 
2024-05-04 08:33:42	chikuwasuka	np
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2024-05-04 08:34:49	BetweenUs	ty all
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2024-05-04 08:39:35	BetweenUs	I assume that I can leave "...mirror, HDMI-A-1" in my conf file, no matter if I plugged in external monitor or not? I mean, it will not spend more energy?
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2024-05-04 08:53:44	Gnana-	prime-run wezterm not working. i mean its still using my amd gpu?
2024-05-04 08:53:52	Gnana-	hyprland 
2024-05-04 08:53:58	Gnana-	why?
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2024-05-04 08:56:12	Gnana-	hmm kitty running but wezterm is not running?
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2024-05-04 17:58:21	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-04 17:58:21	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1451 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1450 regular)
2024-05-04 09:01:59	Gnana-	hello?
2024-05-04 09:02:15	luna_curlup	hey
2024-05-04 09:09:52	Gnana-	luna_curlup: do you use wezterrm?
2024-05-04 09:10:05	Gnana-	nvidia is not picking up
2024-05-04 09:10:48	luna_curlup	Gnana-: nope i use Ptyxis
2024-05-04 09:12:34	Gnana-	what that mean?
2024-05-04 09:12:54	luna_curlup	https://gitlab.gnome.org/chergert/ptyxis
2024-05-04 09:12:56	phrik	Title: Christian Hergert / ptyxis · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
2024-05-04 09:31:47	Gnana-	prime-run wezterm no process shwoing nvidia-smi
2024-05-04 09:31:55	Gnana-	firefox is working
2024-05-04 09:32:00	Gnana-	it shows its using it
2024-05-04 09:33:27	Gnana-	whats best show the process its playing on card?
2024-05-04 09:54:38	golam71_	howdy
2024-05-04 10:50:00	shirenn	¡ Holà ! i've had a bbs account for a while and can't manage to get it deleted. Do you know any way to do so ?
2024-05-04 10:53:55	MrElendig	shirenn: are you in the eu?
2024-05-04 10:54:03	shirenn	yup
2024-05-04 10:54:14	MrElendig	then you can file a gdrp deletion request
2024-05-04 10:54:23	MrElendig	but why?
2024-05-04 10:55:51	MrElendig	the general rule is to not allow account deletion, to avoid threads being "broken", but as an EU citizen you can of course file a gdrp
2024-05-04 10:56:00	MrElendig	+deletion request
2024-05-04 10:56:10	shirenn	tiding up a bit of my numeric life, i do that every so often
2024-05-04 10:56:16	MrElendig	but it is generally better to leave the account and posts to avoid broken threads
2024-05-04 10:56:23	shirenn	i don't mind if the post dont get deleted
2024-05-04 10:56:35	shirenn	i just want the account to be gone
2024-05-04 10:57:35	MrElendig	in any way: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#contacting-the-staff
2024-05-04 10:57:36	phrik	Title: Code of Conduct | Arch Linux Terms (at terms.archlinux.org)
2024-05-04 11:01:01	MrElendig	you could simply set a 50 char random password and then throw it awayt
2024-05-04 11:01:03	MrElendig	-t
2024-05-04 11:01:21	shirenn	well i add already send a mail a few month ago to privacy@… but i got no answer
2024-05-04 11:02:13	shirenn	in January > Thank you for your support request! We are tracking your request as ticket #xxx, and will respond as soon as we can.
2024-05-04 11:02:25	MrElendig	send to the forum address
2024-05-04 11:06:06	shirenn	done, thanks for the help !
2024-05-04 11:47:08	gromit	shirenn: which number did you get on the privacy request account support thing? 
2024-05-04 12:43:11	duude__	o/ people
2024-05-04 12:43:43	duude__	Does anyone here run gen7+ intel cpu?
2024-05-04 12:44:27	duude__	I'm curious about https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Intel_graphics#Enable_GuC_/_HuC_firmware_loading
2024-05-04 12:44:28	phrik	Title: Intel graphics - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-04 12:44:50	duude__	Has anyone else enabled it? I'm curious security-wise is it safe
2024-05-04 13:03:18	MacGyver	duude__: Which one is gen7 again?
2024-05-04 13:05:11	shirenn	gromit: #1070
2024-05-04 13:05:51	duude__	MacGyver: Like, i5-7500u and 8th gen would be 8250u etc..
2024-05-04 13:05:58	MacGyver	duude__: I'm running a cascade lake i9 and don't think I have this.
2024-05-04 13:06:08	MacGyver	As in, I don't think I have this chip.
2024-05-04 13:06:24	MacGyver	Would be nice if the wiki told me how to make sure.
2024-05-04 13:06:31	duude__	MacGyver: Yes, you don't have integrated graphics
2024-05-04 13:06:40	duude__	So you don't have the chip
2024-05-04 13:07:26	MacGyver	Check. Well, can't help you then :)
2024-05-04 13:07:35	MacGyver	Security-wise... well you trust Intel, right.
2024-05-04 13:08:08	gromit	shirenn: ugh, it seems like the moderators really just didn't act on it :/ 
2024-05-04 13:08:51	MacGyver	Trustworthiness aside, I don't see a meaningful distinction between running intel-firmware with or without guc; the attack surface grows a bit but firmware attacks so far have focused on the non-guc parts.
2024-05-04 13:09:01	MacGyver	So... *shrug*.
2024-05-04 13:10:41	duude__	MacGyver: I don't trust intel ME
2024-05-04 13:10:43	duude__	:-D
2024-05-04 13:12:09	MacGyver	duude__: Then why are you running an intel chip?
2024-05-04 13:12:20	MacGyver	duude__: You're trusting it, whether you like it or not.
2024-05-04 13:13:00	MacGyver	duude__: Note that trust and trustworthiness are two different things, and in this context, trust means that "if it breaks, your security is gone".
2024-05-04 13:13:19	MacGyver	duude__: You *already* have to trust intel.
2024-05-04 13:13:39	MacGyver	duude__: So... what's the difference in that model between running with and without guc_firmware.
2024-05-04 13:35:38	Web_Anon	if I register an alias using alias name='directory' | is this forever until I delete it?
2024-05-04 13:35:47	Web_Anon	or just for today's session?
2024-05-04 13:52:25	astralc	shell alias? for the current shell session only
2024-05-04 15:11:16	SatoruGojo	I just realized that arch comes with non-free repos enabltoe as compered  others distro such as debian, fedora heck even ubuntu
2024-05-04 15:11:30	SatoruGojo	*enable
2024-05-04 15:12:59	SatoruGojo	nah i need non-free software anyways
2024-05-04 15:45:52	demonicmaniac1	rcf: wasn't aware those existed for smaller than x8 with power connector re the pcie usb with pd cards
2024-05-04 15:50:08	rcf	I've not actually tested them so I can't say if they're actually useful, but they exist. 
2024-05-04 15:56:24	demonicmaniac1	interesting
2024-05-04 15:56:37	demonicmaniac1	just gotta keep in mind budgeting on the psu side then as well
2024-05-04 15:57:05	demonicmaniac1	do they take 5v and 12v from the psu directly via different connectors or actually convert on the card?
2024-05-04 15:58:30	rcf	Convert on the card from 12V, like a GPU
2024-05-04 15:58:41	demonicmaniac1	hmhm
2024-05-04 16:00:10	demonicmaniac1	i see even some with 20v 1.5A so they also convert to 20v funky. not found any > 30w yet
2024-05-04 16:00:34	rcf	>30W isn't a thing as far as I know 
2024-05-04 16:02:46	rcf	Excellent for a phone but you're not powering a full laptop
2024-05-04 16:04:28	demonicmaniac1	oh i lie. there's apparently some usb4 cards popping up with 60w via 20v 3A with one 6 pin power + bus power
2024-05-04 16:06:23	rcf	Oh, nice
2024-05-04 16:06:32	rcf	I don’t think I’d trust them 
2024-05-04 16:06:44	demonicmaniac1	that's actually really cool for boards without a dgpu or pcie 16x to attach a usb4 dgpu without seperate psu
2024-05-04 16:07:16	rcf	Indeed
2024-05-04 16:07:55	demonicmaniac1	or powering a usb-c display i suppose
2024-05-04 16:22:34	chovy	i think the nvidia driver issue that was crashing my laptop is fixed :)
2024-05-04 16:22:45	chovy	i saw an update come across this morning
2024-05-04 16:22:52	chovy	and so far it hasn't crashed yet
2024-05-04 16:48:35	gugah	chovy, kernel panics on pacman updates or at random?
2024-05-04 16:49:06	gugah	I've had several panics related to the nvidia driver
2024-05-04 16:49:13	gugah	not sure if those are fixed yet
2024-05-04 17:38:23	kkoyung	After the last update of python in arch repo, many python dependencies on my machine are broken. I tried rebuilding all python AUR packages, but some python dependencies are still broken. For example, in python running "from prompt_toolkit import AbortAction" returns "ImportError: cannot import name 'AbortAction' from 'prompt_toolkit'
2024-05-04 17:38:25	kkoyung	(/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/prompt_toolkit/__init__.py)". But I found that python-prompt_toolkit is in Extra repo, not in AUR. What can I do?
2024-05-04 17:39:05	jelle	kkoyung: what package needs it?
2024-05-04 17:39:19	kkoyung	haxor-news in AUR
2024-05-04 17:40:55	jelle	sounds like that isn't compatible with the new prompt-toolkit
2024-05-04 17:41:13	jelle	see https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/haxor-news#comment-749367
2024-05-04 17:41:16	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - haxor-news (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-05-04 17:42:45	kkoyung	I see. It is one of my broken dependencies. Let me check other python packages that were broken before.
2024-05-04 17:48:54	jelle	kkoyung: time to write a bug report
2024-05-04 17:55:57	gr33n7007h	jelle: now that python been updated to 3.12 will we see a start on updating ruby now?
2024-05-04 17:56:15	Murray7501	The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. And like that, ... he's gone.
2024-05-04 17:56:16	kkoyung	I have an other example: "import urllib3.packages.six" returns "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'urllib3.packages.six.moves'". The application that import urllib3 is syncall, which I'm not install via AUR. I install syncall from source with venv environment. It works fine before the recent python package update.
2024-05-04 17:56:46	Murray7501	gr33n7007h: like updating python helps
2024-05-04 17:56:57	Murray7501	NetSysFire: :D
2024-05-04 17:57:43	jelle	NetSysFire: I am not the maintainer of guake :D
2024-05-04 17:58:01	jelle	gr33n7007h: we should update ruby, but I am staying away of it :D
2024-05-04 17:58:04	⚡ 	alad maintains jelle
2024-05-04 17:58:16	jelle	NetSysFire: did I? hmm
2024-05-04 17:58:18	gromit	gr33n7007h: there is something in the works (see i.e. https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/ruby/-/merge_requests/2) but I'm not sure what the current status with that is 
2024-05-04 17:58:19	phrik	Title: Sign in · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-04 17:58:25	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-05-04 17:58:26	jelle	I touch a million packages
2024-05-04 17:58:41	jelle	I rather just drop guake :D
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2024-05-04 17:58:56	gromit	NetSysFire: please start looking for the maintainers on archweb instead of judging by the last packager 
2024-05-04 17:59:02	jelle	chop chop rebase NetSysFire!
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2024-05-04 17:59:34	jelle	NetSysFire: there are more open MR's sadly which aren't getting handled :(
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2024-05-04 18:00:15	gromit	Right I have 2 against imlib2 from loqs about which I have to decide what to do
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2024-05-04 18:00:43	jelle	NetSysFire: I haz it open now :D
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2024-05-04 18:01:45	jelle	drop it!
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2024-05-04 18:04:33	jelle	Python 3.13.0a6
2024-05-04 18:04:37	jelle	ur old out of date
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2024-05-04 18:11:23	demonicmaniac1	as a ruby person i can understand ruby being a huge nightmare to update - as bad as python pretty much but there's more stuff depending on python that's high profile and also necessary/used so i get that ruby takes a back seat
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2024-05-04 18:14:39	alad	demonicmaniac1: weren't you a perl person
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2024-05-04 18:19:05	demonicmaniac1	alad: nah i'm a ruby person. i like the stuff ruby took from perl so i indirectly am i guess
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2024-05-04 18:19:21	demonicmaniac1	the language mind you, the ecosystem is pure pain :D
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2024-05-04 18:20:23	jelle	for ruby the big question is if we devendor stuff or not ^_^
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2024-05-04 18:21:41	wuzado	Hey guys, how can I load a kernel module for linear RAID? I can't seem to find it.
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2024-05-04 18:23:38	gr33n7007h	sorry, got phone call as soon i asked. thanks jelle & gromit 
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2024-05-04 18:30:52	zayd	having issues with my root device not decrypting after i type in my password on grub (it doesn't say that i've entered the wrong password or anything at all), what should i do? i guess i should make a bootable
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2024-05-04 18:35:13	another|	what happens?
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2024-05-04 18:35:52	astralc	are you sure it is not decrypting?
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2024-05-04 18:45:18	wuzado	Hey guys, how can I load a kernel module for linear RAID? I can't seem to find it.
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2024-05-04 18:45:30	jelle	mdadm?
2024-05-04 18:46:01	wuzado	md returns "personality for level -1 is not loaded!" in dmesg
2024-05-04 18:46:35	wuzado	mdadm returns "failed to RUN_ARRAY /dev/md126: Invalid argument"
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2024-05-04 18:47:05	jelle	fresh boot?
2024-05-04 18:47:14	wuzado	eh, can't hurt
2024-05-04 18:47:16	wuzado	brb
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2024-05-04 18:51:49	wuzado	@jelle the reboot didn't work
2024-05-04 18:52:01	zayd	astralc: i've let it sit this entire time and it still hasn't done anything
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2024-05-04 18:54:33	wuzado	it seems, at least according to my brief Googlefu and articles related to other RAID modes, that I need to modprobe a relevant linear RAID kernel module
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2024-05-04 18:55:19	wuzado	but while raid 0 would be something like `sudo modprobe raid0`, I have no idea what would that be for linear RAID/RAID -1
2024-05-04 18:55:38	demonicmaniac1	are you talking about some kind of hardware raid or fakeraid mobo support?
2024-05-04 18:55:46	wuzado	md raid
2024-05-04 18:55:55	wuzado	at least, from what I can see
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2024-05-04 18:56:22	astralc	zayd: if you can decrypt in archiso, check mkinitcpio config and rebuild it?
2024-05-04 18:56:52	zayd	astralc: ok i'll do that let me just set up a usb for it
2024-05-04 18:56:53	demonicmaniac1	oh i see linear raid is another term for a storage pool with multiple disks appearing as one large virtual drive
2024-05-04 18:57:01	demonicmaniac1	had never heard the term before
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2024-05-04 18:57:58	astralc	also, remove quiet/plymouth and try, to see if some messages pop up.
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2024-05-04 18:58:51	wuzado	I think it's a rather unusual level, even RHEL documentation I found basically said that it's inferior in basically every possible way to any other method of file pools
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2024-05-04 19:00:35	demonicmaniac1	wuzado: i'd use lvm for that to just make a logical volume spanning multiple disks
2024-05-04 19:01:02	wuzado	ha, if I was building a volume then sure
2024-05-04 19:01:04	demonicmaniac1	i don't know how linear raid would differ from a logical volume spanning multiple physical volumes in practice
2024-05-04 19:01:15	wuzado	but it's data recovery
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2024-05-04 19:01:22	wuzado	from an existing drive
2024-05-04 19:01:25	demonicmaniac1	oh i see
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2024-05-04 19:01:43	demonicmaniac1	no idea then sorry :/
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2024-05-04 19:02:30	wuzado	no clue who the hell at Iomega thought that doing a single-drive RAID would be useful in any way
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2024-05-04 19:05:25	wuzado	the linear RAID module was removed in kernel version 6.8...
2024-05-04 19:05:26	wuzado	https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/849d18e27be9a1253f2318cb4549cc857219d991
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2024-05-04 19:06:39	tirnanog	wuzado: boot lts then. some have reported using the device mapper to do it, also. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2158908#p2158908
2024-05-04 19:06:39	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Kernel module linear missing in 6.8.1-arch1-1 / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-04 19:07:56	renerthr	https://community.signalusers.org/uploads/db3609/original/3X/6/5/6528a8975d5ed479032f5ab502126f5f7aaca017.png
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2024-05-04 19:08:16	renerthr	how does he have a status bar with icons like that? 
2024-05-04 19:08:30	renerthr	What program and config is that? 
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2024-05-04 19:10:27	wuzado	tirnanog: thanks, I'll look into that thread. not sure if this will work since it's a physical device though
2024-05-04 19:10:37	wuzado	I guess it's time to install LTS though!
2024-05-04 19:12:19	renerthr	brb
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2024-05-04 21:07:47	zayd	how would one test grub from archiso without rebooting it?
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2024-05-04 21:10:49	Scimmia	not possible AFAIK
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2024-05-04 21:14:58	renerthr	https://community.signalusers.org/uploads/db3609/original/3X/6/5/6528a8975d5ed479032f5ab502126f5f7aaca017.png
2024-05-04 21:15:08	renerthr	How can I get that design of the bottom bar? What software is that?
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2024-05-04 21:17:32	mpan	renerthr: looks like Plasma 6 with some dark theme and probably rearranged stuff on the right.
2024-05-04 21:19:20	Gnana-	why prime-run not running wezterm?
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2024-05-04 21:25:40	Gnana-	?
2024-05-04 21:26:00	renerthr	mpan: thanks
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2024-05-04 21:27:52	Gnana-	hello?
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2024-05-04 21:29:00	renerthr	what's the GPU model? 
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2024-05-04 21:29:35	Gnana-	VIDIA Corporation TU117M [GeForce GTX 1650 Mobile / Max-Q]
2024-05-04 21:29:37	Gnana-	nvidia
2024-05-04 21:29:58	Gnana-	drivers im using nvidia only no dkms
2024-05-04 21:30:03	Gnana-	linux kernel vanilla
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2024-05-04 21:36:36	zayd	trying to deal with fixing my grub and ran a -Syu while doing so, it gives me errors with ldconfig saying that /usr/lib/libmbed* is empty and not checked
2024-05-04 21:36:44	renerthr	what does "DKMS" stand for? 
2024-05-04 21:36:59	Namarrgon	zayd: Reinstall the packages that own the empty files.
2024-05-04 21:37:08	renerthr	dynamic kernel module support
2024-05-04 21:37:26	zayd	tried running pacman -Syu $(pacman -Qnq) as i found a reddit comment saying that but it gave me errors while doing that and pacman -Syu remained the same
2024-05-04 21:37:42	gog	Gnana-: does it give you any kind of error
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2024-05-04 21:37:57	Gnana-	no, it runs to my amd gpu 
2024-05-04 21:37:58	zayd	Namarrgon: which packages have the libmbed files? i can't find them
2024-05-04 21:38:08	Gnana-	nvtop shows that
2024-05-04 21:38:16	Gnana-	gog^
2024-05-04 21:38:25	Namarrgon	zayd: Run -Qo on the files if the local db isn't corrupted.
2024-05-04 21:38:26	Gnana-	kitty and alacritty working fine
2024-05-04 21:39:00	Namarrgon	If the db is corrupted then you have to find the owner with -F.
2024-05-04 21:39:15	tijko	How to roll back a package version?
2024-05-04 21:39:48	zayd	i tried pacman -F /usr/lib/libmbedcrypto.so.2.28.8 and it just exits with 1
2024-05-04 21:39:50	another|	!give tijko aw downgrade
2024-05-04 21:39:50	phrik	tijko: Downgrade - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Downgrade
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2024-05-04 21:40:06	zayd	pacman -Qo just says nothing owns it
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2024-05-04 21:40:40	Namarrgon	zayd: -Fy first, your local file-db might be out of date.
2024-05-04 21:41:24	zayd	Namarrgon: tried that and both commands do the same still
2024-05-04 21:42:23	Gnana-	any idea?
2024-05-04 21:42:34	Gnana-	why wezterm is not working with prime-run
2024-05-04 21:42:38	Namarrgon	zayd: What does "pacman -Si mbedtls2" return?
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2024-05-04 21:43:45	zayd	Namarrgon: it seems to be nothing out of the ordinary, and running pacman -Q says it's installed
2024-05-04 21:43:53	zayd	i guess i should reinstall and check
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2024-05-04 21:44:12	Namarrgon	zayd: Which version does it list?
2024-05-04 21:44:27	renerthr	zayd: your `pacman -F` command should output one line even if `mbedtls2` is not installed
2024-05-04 21:44:34	zayd	when i run pacman -S on it it gives a ton of errors
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2024-05-04 21:44:45	Namarrgon	Don't run -S on it, i asked for the -Si output.
2024-05-04 21:44:56	zayd	Namarrgon: 2.28.8-2
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2024-05-04 21:45:53	Namarrgon	What was the full -Qo command you ran?
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2024-05-04 21:46:40	zayd	Namarrgon: pacman -Qo /usr/lib/libmbedcrypto.so.2.28.8
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2024-05-04 21:48:34	Namarrgon	And the full -F command?
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2024-05-04 21:50:12	zayd	Namarrgon: pacman -F /usr/lib/libmbedcrypto.so.28.8 (as i was writing this i found out i was writing that wrong, now it says it's owned by extra/mbedtls2)
2024-05-04 21:50:28	zayd	forgot the first 2 in the pacman -F
2024-05-04 21:51:48	Namarrgon	What were the errors you got when you tried to reinstall it?
2024-05-04 21:52:25	gog	Gnana-: what does nvidia-smi say?
2024-05-04 21:52:27	gog	seems to work for me
2024-05-04 21:52:38	gog	iGPU activity may be due to framebuffer copying
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2024-05-04 21:54:41	hussein1	hi, i can't update an old arch install because the same packages fail the signature check every time
2024-05-04 21:54:59	hussein1	'signature from Levente Polyak (anthraxx)... is unknown trust'
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2024-05-04 21:55:34	renerthr	is that username allowed? 
2024-05-04 21:55:53	tirnanog	hussein1: have you tried the "keyring problems" suggestion in the channel topic?
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2024-05-04 21:58:07	renerthr	tirnanog: am on Weechat, and the channel topic is not fully visible. It gets cut out because it runs out of screen space
2024-05-04 21:58:21	heat	Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
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2024-05-04 21:58:50	zayd	Namarrgon: https://bpa.st/BIMQ
2024-05-04 21:58:52	phrik	Title: View paste BIMQ (at bpa.st)
2024-05-04 21:58:52	tirnanog	renerthr: you can issue /topic to see it wrapped.
2024-05-04 21:59:42	intelfx	hey. random question into the void: is there some existing tooling for quickly building and booting one-off VM images with specific customizations/packages installed?
2024-05-04 21:59:47	intelfx	something like docker, but for VMs
2024-05-04 22:01:10	demure	probably depends on your VM framework? I recall ansible supporting VMs
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2024-05-04 22:02:59	Namarrgon	zayd: You can use --overwrite with a "*" glob.
2024-05-04 22:03:25	intelfx	ansible would need a ton of boilerplate
2024-05-04 22:03:37	intelfx	that's strictly not simpler than writing the same customizations in a shell script
2024-05-04 22:04:50	another|	IIRC there are official arch vm images for download
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2024-05-04 22:05:20	zayd	Namarrgon: hopefully i didn't do it wrong, but --overwrite="*" appears to have worked
2024-05-04 22:06:45	renerthr	zayd: to avoid typo errors when messaging here, you should always use a pasting service (e.g. wgetpaste), instead of just saying "I ran this, I ran that"
2024-05-04 22:07:58	zayd	renerthr: not sure if you're talking about copy pasting my commands but i basically can't, i'm messaging from my phone and using a tty in archiso
2024-05-04 22:08:39	zayd	anyways, now i have to deal with my root partition not decrypting, hoping that regenerating initramfs and grub.cfg will work since i have no idea what else could be going wrong
2024-05-04 22:09:08	Namarrgon	Check -Qkk for other issues.
2024-05-04 22:09:37	zayd	i already rebooted, but i'll do that if it fails again or if it boots properly
2024-05-04 22:10:08	zayd	it works
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2024-05-04 22:10:45	zayd	btw thanks Namarrgon
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2024-05-04 22:10:54	renerthr	zayd: you don't have internet in your tty archiso? 
2024-05-04 22:11:41	zayd	remerthr: i do, just not sure how i would paste from there other than running grep on shell history and uploading that to 0x0
2024-05-04 22:12:14	zayd	and i don't think i wrote any commands wrong in _here_, all that happend was i noticed i was writing one wrong on archiso itself
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2024-05-04 22:15:07	renerthr	zayd: wgetpaste has a "--command" option, which would have avoided the issue with your typo here
2024-05-04 22:15:14	tirnanog	zayd: one way would be as follows: ( set -x; your_commands ) 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
2024-05-04 22:15:30	tirnanog	(you can replace nc with curl/0x0.st if that's what you're familiar with)
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2024-05-04 22:19:05	renerthr	tirnanog: gnu-netcat? or openbsd-netcat? 
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2024-05-04 22:25:13	renerthr	tirnanog: I just tried your command, and it returns nothing. No URL, nothing. 
2024-05-04 22:25:51	renerthr	tirnanog: my bad. I forgot to add one extra 9
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2024-05-04 22:28:41	renerthr	tirnanog: How does your command work? I see in the manpage of `set` that `set -x` makes the command show  on STDERR, but what does `2>&1` mean?
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2024-05-04 22:29:24	MacGyver	renerthr: Redirect stderr to stdout.
2024-05-04 22:29:49	MacGyver	renerthr: So that it all goes into a single stream for further processing.
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2024-05-04 22:30:36	MacGyver	renerthr: On some shells, the shorthand for `command 2>&1 | secondcommand` is `command |& secondcommand`.
2024-05-04 22:30:57	MacGyver	renerthr: Otherwise, only stdout goes to secondcommand, and everything output on stderr gets shown.
2024-05-04 22:31:13	tirnanog	renerthr: right, either implementation should do.
2024-05-04 22:31:58	tirnanog	it can even be done natively in bash, but it's not very pretty.
2024-05-04 22:33:59	renerthr	what can be done natively in bash?
2024-05-04 22:34:17	tirnanog	connecting to termbin.com to convey the payload.
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2024-05-04 22:35:58	tirnanog	{ set -x; echo "hello world"; } |& { exec 3<>/dev/tcp/termbin.com/9999 && cat >&3 && cat <&3; }
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2024-05-04 22:36:21	tirnanog	well, it's not that bad but I wouldn't expect it to stick in the mind of anyone that doesn't know bash well.
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2024-05-05 00:26:49	intelfx	is there any guidance on using "pacstrap" vs "pacstrap -G" vs "pacstrap -K"? when does one need any of these options?
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2024-05-05 00:41:34	kulak	I have spend several hours and I can't figure out how to pass environment variables to applications started by Gnome.  I tried ~/.pam_environment file, but it is not working.  It seems like Gnome itself is setup not to load any shell scripts.  I am at a loss, why ~/.pam_environment is not working.
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2024-05-05 00:42:25	kulak	file conetnt for cat ~/.pam_environment 
2024-05-05 00:42:25	kulak	MYS=from-gnome-rc
2024-05-05 00:42:25	kulak	MYEXPORTED=value
2024-05-05 00:42:38	kulak	I will be out for a bit, but I will check responses.
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2024-05-05 00:49:27	teraflops	kulak: tried  ~/.config/environment.d/envvars.conf ?
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2024-05-05 00:50:16	teraflops	this is an example https://paste.priet.us/g8lh/
2024-05-05 00:50:36	Web_Anon	Does libera irc have jitsi or any sort of voice chat?
2024-05-05 00:51:05	Namarrgon	Web_Anon: no
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2024-05-05 00:53:43	Scimmia	kulak: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/68945
2024-05-05 00:53:43	phrik	Title: FS#68945 : [at][gdm][pambase] user_readenv is deprecated (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2024-05-05 00:53:59	bluetail	xdg seems broken. xdg-open always opens KIO client instead.  And prints no matter whether on bash or zsh,  /usr/bin/xdg-open: line 554: test: : integer expression expected
2024-05-05 00:54:00	bluetail	 xprofile:https://0x0.st/XXUJ.txt xdg mime: https://0x0.st/XXUy.txt when I 
2024-05-05 00:54:42	bluetail	I am not quite sure. So clicking links from thunderbird works
2024-05-05 00:54:52	bluetail	but when I click any link from  Alacritty, it doesnt work
2024-05-05 00:55:05	bluetail	kitty - same behavior
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2024-05-05 00:56:45	bluetail	even if I set for instance thunar instead of dolphin, the behavior is the same
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2024-05-05 00:57:52	bluetail	but mime queries generally fail: xdg-mime query default x-scheme-handler/http
2024-05-05 00:58:01	bluetail	[: : integer expression expected
2024-05-05 00:58:06	Scimmia	bluetail: what does `type kde-config` give you?
2024-05-05 00:58:18	bluetail	kde-config not found
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2024-05-05 00:58:39	bluetail	package plasma-desktop already reinstalled, no fix
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2024-05-05 00:58:56	Scimmia	line 554 is trying to parse the output of kde-config
2024-05-05 00:59:08	Scimmia	which, AFAIK, hasn't existed in a long time
2024-05-05 00:59:15	bluetail	but isnt it using kde-config-cli now?
2024-05-05 00:59:44	bluetail	nvm
2024-05-05 00:59:48	bluetail	it isnt
2024-05-05 00:59:53	bluetail	in any case, I am confused
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2024-05-05 01:01:22	Scimmia	bluetail: is KDE_SESSION_VERSION set?
2024-05-05 01:02:09	Nuc1eoN	hi, out of curiosity, ArchLinux is using GCC v13.2.1 but according to the GCC website there is only a GCC 13.2.0 and not changelog for a 13.2.1, see https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gcc/gcc-13.2.0/. So what is GCC 13.2.1 and why is there no official tarball?
2024-05-05 01:02:11	phrik	Title: Index of /gnu/gcc/gcc-13.2.0 (at ftp.gnu.org)
2024-05-05 01:02:23	bluetail	Scimmia, no, it isnt, as it priorly broke something
2024-05-05 01:02:35	bluetail	xprofile that was shared contained all config
2024-05-05 01:02:37	Scimmia	having it not set is what broke this
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2024-05-05 01:03:02	bluetail	I will set it and report back
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2024-05-05 01:04:11	alad	Nuc1eoN: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/gcc/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads
2024-05-05 01:04:12	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / gcc · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-05 01:06:08	jenia2	Hello. I get awscli-2.15.42.tar.gz ... FAILED (unknown public key A6310ACC4672475C) What should I try, do you think?
2024-05-05 01:06:12	bluetail	Scimmia $KDE_SESSION_VERSION returns 5 now. It isnt fixed
2024-05-05 01:06:33	bluetail	this isnt related to kernel 6.9, ... right?
2024-05-05 01:06:33	Scimmia	5? So this isn't Arch?
2024-05-05 01:06:39	bluetail	this is Arch
2024-05-05 01:06:45	bluetail	I thought kde plasma was internally still 5
2024-05-05 01:06:51	Scimmia	it's not
2024-05-05 01:06:52	alad	jenia2: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Makepkg#Signature_checking
2024-05-05 01:06:53	phrik	Title: makepkg - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-05 01:06:59	bluetail	ah sorry
2024-05-05 01:07:01	jenia2	thanks!
2024-05-05 01:07:23	Scimmia	bluetail: you shouldn't be setting that manually, you should just undo whatever you did to unset the variable. Plasma set it itself
2024-05-05 01:08:59	bluetail	but I use i3wm
2024-05-05 01:09:12	BertoX	Hello, can someone help me with setting up ldap authentication please ?
2024-05-05 01:09:15	bluetail	version 6 - same issue
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2024-05-05 01:09:30	Scimmia	bluetail: what's XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP?
2024-05-05 01:09:41	bluetail	I did only touch xprofile - and set it just here: https://0x0.st/XXUE.txt
2024-05-05 01:09:58	bluetail	the reason i3wm has KDE session type is because I want to use dolphin with proper theming
2024-05-05 01:10:01	Scimmia	    export XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=KDE
2024-05-05 01:10:08	Scimmia	yeah, What the actual fuck
2024-05-05 01:10:29	bluetail	it used to work
2024-05-05 01:10:37	Scimmia	expect that to break anything and everything
2024-05-05 01:11:02	BertoX	I am able to setup basic ldap server. getent group shows ldap groups, and getent passwd shows ldap users. BUT whenever I try to apply set 1.2 Set up access controls (to let users changes their own password), my ldap is broken : getent users still works but getent groups is broken (only local groups)
2024-05-05 01:11:09	bluetail	ok, unset, retrying.
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2024-05-05 01:12:08	jenia2	I received tthe keys of `gpg  --receive-key A6310ACC4672475C` and installed aws-cli-v2 from aur... hope itt's not a virus
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2024-05-05 01:13:01	bluetail	Scimmia yea, that was it. But in future, I need to pass that KDE thing in an dolphin alias
2024-05-05 01:13:07	bluetail	otherwise it looks wrong
2024-05-05 01:13:33	edu4rdshl	bluetail you breaking your OS as always and then coming here to ask
2024-05-05 01:13:51	bluetail	what
2024-05-05 01:13:59	bluetail	what exact date I asked last time?
2024-05-05 01:14:01	edu4rdshl	Or is it the other tail
2024-05-05 01:14:04	edu4rdshl	blue
2024-05-05 01:14:10	edu4rdshl	green
2024-05-05 01:14:14	bluetail	I am not greentail
2024-05-05 01:14:17	edu4rdshl	k
2024-05-05 01:14:19	edu4rdshl	Sorry
2024-05-05 01:14:24	edu4rdshl	Many tails here
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2024-05-05 01:26:15	BertoX	the "access control" step in the wiki allows users to change their password but definitively break the 'getent group' command ... don't understand why :( 
2024-05-05 01:26:40	BertoX	ends with <group(all)> cn=install,ou=Group,dc=my,dc=local: cn: missing
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2024-05-05 01:27:24	cloudowind	why cant i get tuxguitar
2024-05-05 01:28:24	gog	it's not in the repos
2024-05-05 01:28:58	cloudowind	yes i feel like it was before maybe it was debian:)
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2024-05-05 01:30:11	gog	it's on AUR
2024-05-05 01:30:21	gog	if you're ok with it breaking at some point in the future and having to rebuild it
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2024-05-05 01:30:54	BertoX	no ldap master today ? :)
2024-05-05 01:30:57	cloudowind	will try guitar pro on wine i had somewhere older free version , ty for your attention buddy 
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2024-05-05 01:39:20	Nuc1eoN	alad, yeah sure the PKGBUILD just pulls it straight from git
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2024-05-05 01:39:57	Nuc1eoN	The question is whether GCC 13.2.1 is a nactualy release, because there does not seem to be such an official release
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2024-05-05 01:40:08	Nuc1eoN	*an actual
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2024-05-05 01:41:15	Nuc1eoN	it looks like arch just did it's own GCC point release :D
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2024-05-05 01:45:28	teraflops	cloudowind: heard of guitarix?
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2024-05-05 01:49:50	cloudowind	teraflops: no i am looking at now ty
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2024-05-05 01:50:29	cloudowind	https://www.songsterr.com/a/wsa/marty-friedman-miracle-solo-tab-s454171 this site is not bad too , but you need to have prescription to use features like slowing beat 
2024-05-05 01:50:31	phrik	Title: Miracle Solo Tab by Marty Friedman | Songsterr Tabs with Rhythm (at www.songsterr.com)
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2024-05-05 01:52:17	cloudowind	hmm this is virtual amp 
2024-05-05 01:53:00	teraflops	yeah kind of amplitube
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2024-05-05 02:19:00	dh|2	plasma6 is broken on my arch. Certain kde apps don't load/render/appear frozen such as 'System Settings.' Is this a known issue? Tried switching to a fresh user and get the same result. Most apps seem fine though.
2024-05-05 02:21:29	Namarrgon	X11 or wayland? which gpu and driver?
2024-05-05 02:22:19	dh|2	X11, gpu 340xx-lts from aur. 8600gt. Getting new hardware in a few days, but I suspect I'll have the same issue given that only some kde apps are broken but everything else is fine.
2024-05-05 02:22:54	Namarrgon	Have you tried nouveau?
2024-05-05 02:23:29	dh|2	Yeah, and hell no to that, it crashes my system constantly to the extent one of my SSDs died likely from the frequent crashes
2024-05-05 02:24:00	dh|2	I believe I read that that driver is buggy for my old card. May work for newer ones, but not this one.
2024-05-05 02:24:44	dh|2	I had no issues until the recent update to plasma6
2024-05-05 02:25:04	dh|2	maybe I'll get lucky with the new hardware though
2024-05-05 02:29:13	Namarrgon	Is it nvidia again?
2024-05-05 02:30:39	dh|2	probably just use ryzen 5600g with the vega igpu
2024-05-05 02:31:15	dh|2	I do have a gtx n760 which won't run with this motherboard, but I'd rather not use that
2024-05-05 02:32:00	dh|2	I'm assuming the ryzen 5600g and igpu is well supported in the Linux 6.6 kernel
2024-05-05 02:35:22	dh|2	Wayland is also completely unusable with the 8600gt / 340xx nvidia driver. It didn't help that plasma6 boots it by default.
2024-05-05 02:36:32	Namarrgon	It should, at least, not be a worse experience compared with the moldy nvidia gpu/driver.
2024-05-05 02:51:17	kode54	will it have power control on something that old, yet that new?
2024-05-05 02:58:13	kulak	Scimia, thanks for that bug report.  I understand now that I am trying to use feature that's disabled by default.  My mistake.
2024-05-05 02:58:41	kulak	Problem is I have tried already to use ~/.config/environment.d/envvars.conf file and it took no effect.
2024-05-05 02:59:41	kulak	in fact I started with that.  Here is content of my file: at ~/.config/environment.d/envvars.conf
2024-05-05 02:59:41	kulak	GTK_USE_PORTAL=1
2024-05-05 03:00:58	kulak	actually, I take my words back.
2024-05-05 03:01:04	kulak	I see that variable set.
2024-05-05 03:01:32	kulak	satisfied custer here ;)
2024-05-05 03:02:42	kulak	I probably had to restart gdm and my original test was logout login.
2024-05-05 03:03:00	kulak	although, I don't think I am right on that guess.
2024-05-05 03:41:59	BertoX	!help ldap
2024-05-05 03:42:00	phrik	BertoX: Error: There is no command "ldap".
2024-05-05 03:42:32	thumbs	58
2024-05-05 03:44:29	espresso	!give BertoX aw LDAP
2024-05-05 03:44:31	phrik	BertoX: LDAP - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/LDAP
2024-05-05 03:45:30	BertoX	thank you but I affraid the wiki won't help me as I am fighting with it for few days now ... :(
2024-05-05 03:45:50	BertoX	some informations are missing, and some others  break my ldap setup ...
2024-05-05 03:47:20	BertoX	(imho)
2024-05-05 03:47:39	espresso	or.. ? https://man.archlinux.org/man/core/libldap/ldap.3.en
2024-05-05 03:47:40	phrik	Title: ldap(3) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2024-05-05 03:49:15	BertoX	man 3 ? I won't code a new ldap client by myself :)
2024-05-05 03:50:51	BertoX	I really wonder if so already success with the LDAP authentication part of the wiki
2024-05-05 03:51:43	BertoX	just appliyng the ACL parts breaks the "getent group" command ...
2024-05-05 03:52:27	⚡ 	BertoX reerting again to fresh arch install, and try again :(
2024-05-05 03:56:33	espresso	BertoX: ouch :(  I was recently saved a lot of work by getfacl full backup. Fresh install eh? At least they should get easier and faster, and well, they're fresh!
2024-05-05 03:56:44	alad	Nuc1eoN: a commit is used because tags have the unfortunate habit of changing, not because "arch did its own point release"
2024-05-05 04:05:17	BertoX	Populated some users and group in my *new* ldap : OK. Query my LDAP via ldapsearch : OK  I see users and group
2024-05-05 04:05:50	BertoX	from client side, I see users and group via getent
2024-05-05 04:06:28	BertoX	Now I apply the acl as said in the wiki ...
2024-05-05 04:07:38	BertoX	done, slapd restarted
2024-05-05 04:08:21	BertoX	no group :(
2024-05-05 04:11:30	BertoX	and users add to ldap group does not appear to be in that group ...
2024-05-05 04:11:50	BertoX	but using ldapsearch, I see correct informations
2024-05-05 04:11:56	BertoX	makes me crasy :(
2024-05-05 04:21:08	BertoX	tbh I see 1 group of the 3 created on ldap server
2024-05-05 04:21:13	BertoX	Why only 1 ??
2024-05-05 04:22:54	BertoX	I don't see what i am missing
2024-05-05 04:27:50	red_man	hi all
2024-05-05 04:28:18	red_man	so how do i start bluetooth
2024-05-05 04:29:10	Murray7501	uhm bluetoothctl ?
2024-05-05 04:32:51	red_man	bluetooth
2024-05-05 04:33:12	archdemon	:|
2024-05-05 04:33:31	Web_Anon	Sup
2024-05-05 04:33:36	BertoX	!give BertoX aw bluetooth
2024-05-05 04:33:38	phrik	BertoX: Bluetooth - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bluetooth
2024-05-05 04:33:46	BertoX	!give redman aw bluetooth
2024-05-05 04:33:47	phrik	redman: Bluetooth - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bluetooth
2024-05-05 04:33:51	BertoX	na! :p
2024-05-05 04:34:05	Web_Anon	Anylne here try VRchat on arch?
2024-05-05 04:45:55	Web_Anon	ah
2024-05-05 04:45:58	Web_Anon	I dced
2024-05-05 05:59:38	zayd	Anyone else having issues with KDE 6.0.4-1 crashing after reconnecting a monitor?
2024-05-05 06:00:13	zayd	I'm using an NVIDIA 3070 TI on nvidia-dkms 550.78-1
2024-05-05 06:00:56	archdemon	well i have the same card and im on kde but ive never had that problem though i dont disconnect my monitors
2024-05-05 06:01:41	zayd	I've also been having other issues with crashing on X11 at random, not just when reconnecting monitors
2024-05-05 06:01:48	grogu	Nor me, typically, but I purposefully bought an AMD card last weekend to finally get away from NVIDIA.  My impatience won over with the whole explicit sync thing (even though I know it's on the way, still got tired of waiting :) )
2024-05-05 06:01:49	archdemon	ohh im on wayland
2024-05-05 06:02:17	zayd	This time when I reconnected my monitor, I had *15* crashed processes in coredumpctl
2024-05-05 06:05:15	edu4rdshl	grogu, so, you waited for a ton of years until they implemented gbm on their drivers so that wayland can work very well there and then switched just for the explicit sync thing? :p
2024-05-05 06:05:38	espresso	I think sync was merged some days ago, since I installed mainline and had no xwayland issues.
2024-05-05 06:06:15	edu4rdshl	espresso, it needs to be implemented on the nvidia driver
2024-05-05 06:06:23	zayd	i'm still holding off on wayland because a ton of apps i use still have problems on it
2024-05-05 06:06:27	edu4rdshl	Which they confirmed are working on
2024-05-05 06:06:33	zayd	though i do use it sometimes when i don't need to use them
2024-05-05 06:06:39	edu4rdshl	zayd, which ones?
2024-05-05 06:06:51	zayd	edu4rdshl: hold on let me think
2024-05-05 06:07:15	zayd	teamspeak (5, not 3), steam, freetube, i'm pretty sure there's some more that i forgot
2024-05-05 06:07:15	grogu	edu4rdshl: I bounced too much between Windows and Linux for it to really matter and then came to the realization that the majority of issues that ever presented themselves in Linux was due to me trying to deal with having NVIDIA.  So yeah, I kept trying with the NVIDIA cards, and kept going back to Windows because of it, not realizing specifically
2024-05-05 06:07:15	grogu	that NVIDIA was indeed the issue.  Now that I'm on AMD Radeon, literally all problems went away and I've finally, completely removed Windows and have no intention of ever going back.
2024-05-05 06:07:27	espresso	edu4rdshl: well yes, I was implying that too seemed to have been done
2024-05-05 06:07:39	zayd	also hexchat, but i'm going to be switching off of it soon hopefully
2024-05-05 06:07:54	zayd	signal has issues too
2024-05-05 06:08:34	archdemon	steam works
2024-05-05 06:08:48	archdemon	i dont use teamspeak
2024-05-05 06:09:00	zayd	archdemon: steam kind of works but iirc it will randomly pop up at times when on wayland
2024-05-05 06:09:00	archdemon	also try weechat
2024-05-05 06:09:25	zayd	archdemon: i was having issues with weechat on znc recently and haven't bothered to sit down and fix them
2024-05-05 06:10:22	zayd	also, a lot of games on steam don't work as well on wayland compared to x11
2024-05-05 06:10:25	archdemon	wish i could help with with but i dont use znc
2024-05-05 06:10:39	edu4rdshl	zayd, teamspeak: its a electron app, just pass the required flags so that it works natively on wayland. steam: disable hw acceleration for web rendering. freetube: apply the same fix for electrrn apps
2024-05-05 06:10:47	zayd	such as holdfast and counter-strike
2024-05-05 06:11:30	edu4rdshl	zayd, I have a recent post on my blog that may help you https://www.edu4rdshl.dev/posts/my-move-to-wayland-it-s-finally-ready/#electron-apps
2024-05-05 06:11:31	phrik	Title: My move to wayland: it's finally ready | Eduard's Blog (at www.edu4rdshl.dev)
2024-05-05 06:11:33	zayd	edu4rdshl: i tried that for steam, the main issue for me is that a lot of games don't work as well on xwayland. i figured freetube was electron but didn't know ts5 was
2024-05-05 06:12:48	zayd	i guess i'll go ask the flatpak users where the electron .conf files go soon
2024-05-05 06:13:20	edu4rdshl	While it's very Gnome-focused, the per-toolkit configs remains the same for every DE/WM
2024-05-05 06:13:57	edu4rdshl	zayd, on flatpak apps its easier to just copy the .desktop file to ~/.local/share/applications and add the flags there
2024-05-05 06:14:13	zayd	alright
2024-05-05 06:15:11	zayd	anyways, what am i supposed to do with the coredumps on kde x11? i feel like i shouldn't just let them sit there
2024-05-05 06:16:14	edu4rdshl	Debug what the logs says?
2024-05-05 06:17:28	zayd	edu4rdshl: huh? I'm talking about the 15 crashes that coredumpctl logged within two seconds when my monitor got reconnected
2024-05-05 06:17:56	edu4rdshl	Exactly, check the logs and see what's causing the crash
2024-05-05 06:18:29	edu4rdshl	That's the root cause, the coredumps are just a consequence
2024-05-05 06:18:53	edu4rdshl	So, check if it's the amd driver, something on Xorg
2024-05-05 06:19:12	espresso	grogu: grats! I guess it was years ago now that I went exclusively with Linux, its huge ecosystem incl. wine.. Plus, I seemed to inherit nvidia cards..
2024-05-05 06:20:54	zayd	I'm not seeing anything for `journalctl -u --user /usr/lib/xdg-desktop-portal-kde` or `journalctl -u --user /usr/bin/plasmashell`
2024-05-05 06:20:55	⚡ 	edu4rdshl have been using nvidia cards for ~11 years on linux and his next GPU would be indeed nvidia
2024-05-05 06:21:09	edu4rdshl	zayd, that's not how you check it. Check the whole logs
2024-05-05 06:21:23	edu4rdshl	journalctl -r -b -1
2024-05-05 06:21:27	edu4rdshl	Or post it
2024-05-05 06:23:57	zayd	so i'm supposed to look through the _entire_ log for this?
2024-05-05 06:24:18	zayd	oh wait newest is at top
2024-05-05 06:38:40	grogu	espresso: I mean I've been using Linux on the desktop off and on since 1999 (Redhat 5.1 big box).  But the only consistency I've really had is in the server space.  I ran on the desktop as a work daily driver a couple of times for a couple years each, but as a gaming rig, it was always me getting tired of the mundane Windows (and the crap MS tries
2024-05-05 06:38:40	grogu	to pull with it), toss on Linux, see how gaming fares, sometimes does well, sometimes doesn't, then inevitably reinstall Windows and the cycle continues.
2024-05-05 06:39:06	grogu	But once I got this Radeon, I've had zero pull or need now that I'm not running into any of the same issues :)
2024-05-05 06:40:12	grogu	And my distro of choice, is of course an Arch-derived one :) Garuda
2024-05-05 06:56:58	edu4rdshl	grogu, then you were breaking the ArchLinux channel rules :)
2024-05-05 06:57:24	edu4rdshl	Have that in mind: asking for support on a non-ArchLinux distro is against the rules
2024-05-05 06:57:39	grogu	I never asked for support.
2024-05-05 06:57:43	grogu	I'll see myself out.  Thanks
2024-05-05 07:11:01	Web_Anon	is using alias to run apps really fast than clicking on an icon?
2024-05-05 07:11:36	Web_Anon	I just created a bunch of alias under my alias list directory
2024-05-05 07:12:00	Web_Anon	and I noticed my apps open faster than when I click them
2024-05-05 07:13:24	edu4rdshl	Web_Anon, no, there's no difference unless the launch options for the app differ between the desktop file and the alias
2024-05-05 07:14:52	Web_Anon	hmm..
2024-05-05 07:15:04	Web_Anon	it's the same directory
2024-05-05 07:15:43	edu4rdshl	What do you mean?
2024-05-05 07:16:05	edu4rdshl	A directory no matter for aliases
2024-05-05 07:16:13	Web_Anon	so I download protonup-qt and bottles through flatpak
2024-05-05 07:16:22	Web_Anon	and i decided to just alias them to the terminal
2024-05-05 07:18:18	edu4rdshl	Ah well, flatpak... No idea if they handle things differently, I have used it very little
2024-05-05 07:27:38	BetweenUs	kernel panic again, my nvidia-utils driver is 550, I'm thinking about downgrading, as it was suggested to 545, however I don't see 545v, only 535 and 550 on AUR.
2024-05-05 07:31:10	edu4rdshl	Create one then
2024-05-05 07:31:27	edu4rdshl	Or easier: use the ArchLinux archive
2024-05-05 07:31:48	edu4rdshl	You might need to download every nvidia-related package, and I'm not sure if that can break more things
2024-05-05 07:31:58	edu4rdshl	Make sure to go with -dkms
2024-05-05 07:46:26	BetweenUs	uh,
2024-05-05 07:46:55	BetweenUs	I don't want to break something
2024-05-05 07:47:24	BetweenUs	what about nvidia-utils-beta?
2024-05-05 07:47:52	BetweenUs	v550.78
2024-05-05 07:48:04	edu4rdshl	Try it and see, I guess. Nvidia released a new minor version of the 550 driver series some days ago, in case you haven't tested it yet
2024-05-05 07:48:16	edu4rdshl	BetweenUs, that's the current stable version
2024-05-05 07:48:45	edu4rdshl	https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/nvidia-dkms/
2024-05-05 07:48:47	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - nvidia-dkms 550.78-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2024-05-05 07:49:04	BetweenUs	yea, I saw
2024-05-05 07:49:47	BetweenUs	someone tried on laptop?
2024-05-05 07:50:13	edu4rdshl	Maybe, just try it yourself :p
2024-05-05 07:50:58	BetweenUs	ok, correction, I saw: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nvidia-utils-beta
2024-05-05 07:51:00	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - nvidia-utils-beta (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-05-05 07:52:03	BetweenUs	so what is the suggestion dkms or utils-beta, right now I have utils.
2024-05-05 07:52:43	edu4rdshl	Just use everything from the official repois
2024-05-05 07:52:46	edu4rdshl	Just use everything from the official repos*
2024-05-05 07:58:07	BetweenUs	ok, ty. I will also check processes on GPU before shutdown, I'm suspecting on steamwebhelper (something like this) that was in GPU memory when kernel panic has been issued.
2024-05-05 09:03:08	androidui81	i cant seem to    startx /usr/.bin/fluxbox
2024-05-05 09:05:38	androidui81	it should be starting quickly but for some reason it is taking a while
2024-05-05 09:05:49	androidui81	and it eventually exits
2024-05-05 11:05:16	duude__	Is it possible to untaint the kernel? The docs are a bit confusing
2024-05-05 11:07:53	gromit	duude__: what makes your kernel tainted? nvidia modules? 
2024-05-05 11:09:15	Ingar	being able to untaint the kernel seems a bit illogical
2024-05-05 11:09:54	Ingar	once alien influence has infiltrated its memory space, there's no telling what it could have done
2024-05-05 11:10:19	duude__	gromit: I heard https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Intel_graphics#Enable_GuC_/_HuC_firmware_loading HuC improves power efficiency during various video decoding quite a bit on intel cards
2024-05-05 11:10:20	phrik	Title: Intel graphics - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-05 11:10:40	duude__	So i wanted to set the flag i915.enable_guc
2024-05-05 11:47:38	androidui81	is it normal that clipboard sharing does not work even tho im running vbox 7.0.18 and i have virtualbox-guest-utils installed
2024-05-05 11:47:54	androidui81	virtualbox-guest-utils 7.0.18
2024-05-05 11:49:06	androidui81	for windows host and archlinux guest
2024-05-05 11:52:51	astralc	you need to set in in the guest settings/menu, enable 'vboxservice.service' and start VBoxClient inside your wm/de (with clipboard option, or the -all version) - the VBoxClient is also have autostart desktop file, if you environment support it.
2024-05-05 12:15:40	KeKou	hi, I encountered my external hard drive while updating, and now it shows that the kernel cannot be found. I plan to create a usb driver to enter the system, but the usb driver I created using Rufus cannot enter the system, it just shows a black screen.
2024-05-05 12:26:19	astralc	rufus may have issues, you may need to create it in specific way -> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/USB_flash_installation_medium#Using_Rufus
2024-05-05 12:26:21	phrik	Title: USB flash installation medium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-05 12:29:33	KeKou	thanks
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2024-05-05 12:34:23	bertptrs	is there an easy way to figure out which packages have no or few maintainers?
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2024-05-05 12:35:26	mpan	bertptrs: https://archlinux.org/packages/?&maintainer=orphan
2024-05-05 12:35:28	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2024-05-05 12:35:45	bertptrs	Thanks! That covers the "no" part :)
2024-05-05 12:36:50	mpan	Nearly all packages have “few” maintainers, as nearly all packages have only one maintainer.
2024-05-05 12:37:10	mpan	That covers almost exactly the “few” part. ;)
2024-05-05 12:37:23	bertptrs	fair enough
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2024-05-05 13:36:06	arojas	and many packages that claim to have one or a few maintainers don't actually have any maintainers in practice
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2024-05-05 13:59:42	Nuc1eoN	alad, ok sure. But how do you affirm that GCC v13.2.1 is an official release? The only official notes I can find are for 13.2.
2024-05-05 14:00:40	Nuc1eoN	Also there are official tarballs for 13.2, but there are no tarballs for 13.2.1.
2024-05-05 14:06:45	alad	git ls-remote --tags https://sourceware.org/git/gcc.git
2024-05-05 14:06:48	phrik	Title: sourceware.org Git (at sourceware.org)
2024-05-05 14:07:02	alad	that being said there's https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/gcc/-/commit/5d567397b492c48ce0a6019ec7fde0e4ba4d3ca1 and the package has used the ".1" suffix since then
2024-05-05 14:07:03	phrik	Title: binutils 2.40 rebuild (5d567397) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / gcc · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-05 14:08:24	andreyv	There's no 13.2.1 tag, so it's a good question
2024-05-05 14:44:12	Nuc1eoN	Just asked in #gcc they say the .1 is a made up version by downstream distros :)
2024-05-05 15:03:43	Namarrgon	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/systemd/-/issues/26
2024-05-05 15:03:44	phrik	Title: Reconsider udevadm trigger in systemd-hook, continouous kernel panics are happening (#26) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / systemd · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-05 15:04:09	Namarrgon	I assume you mean that one, though it's not directly tied to kernel updates.
2024-05-05 15:04:38	ackthet	in the last 1-2 weeks, I have noticed that swayidle will now enter the idle state when youtube/plex is playing (in firefox, anyhow)
2024-05-05 15:04:58	ackthet	this is obviously super annoying
2024-05-05 15:27:39	Maddie	https://emailaffinity.top/~mk/files/a.txt  Sorry I'm new to systemd.... I've also tried systemctl list-sockets and pulseaudio doesn't show up.  I want pulseaudio to run as my user without manually running "pulseaudio" in a terminal.  I just want it run the background when needed.
2024-05-05 15:28:21	Namarrgon	Maddie: systemctl --user list-sockets
2024-05-05 15:28:57	Namarrgon	You posted the wrong URL to your paste.
2024-05-05 15:30:58	⚡ 	rcf did not realize pulseaudio was on forex
2024-05-05 15:32:24	Maddie	lol
2024-05-05 15:32:30	Maddie	1 moment
2024-05-05 15:33:03	Maddie	ohhh, thats because the upload script broke...
2024-05-05 15:33:56	Maddie	There we go: https://emailaffinity.top/~mk/files/QF.a
2024-05-05 15:34:45	Maddie	Namarrgon: Doesn't show up even if I do --all
2024-05-05 15:35:01	Namarrgon	The units in the "user" directories is for user sessions, not for the system session of systemd.
2024-05-05 15:35:15	Namarrgon	You interact with them with systemctl's --user switch
2024-05-05 15:35:31	Namarrgon	Is this arch linux this time or did you switch to a different spin?
2024-05-05 15:36:04	Maddie	Sorry I don't understand a word you're saying, I moved to arch from artix like yesterday afternoon and just came home from work to finish confiuration.
2024-05-05 15:37:38	Maddie	I know 0 systemd, I hate it and I love openrc but to never try something because you think you hate it will mean you never understand it so I'm trying to force myself to understand this hell.  I apreciate all the help you're giveing me already very much but I'm not understanding anything I even looked at systemd.io and got even more confused...
2024-05-05 15:37:58	Maddie	I DONT KNOW ANYTHING
2024-05-05 15:38:19	Maddie	> <Namarrgon> Is this arch linux this time or did you switch to a different spin?
2024-05-05 15:38:21	Maddie	Yes.
2024-05-05 15:38:42	Namarrgon	Start reading the 'systemd' page on the wiki, that will give you an overall view of the concepts.
2024-05-05 15:38:57	Namarrgon	Then you can google the stuff you didn't understand.
2024-05-05 15:39:54	Maddie	Why did not think of that, arch literly has a page on everything.  brb.
2024-05-05 15:44:38	Namarrgon	So the weird input glitches with firefox turned out to be fcitx5's doing.
2024-05-05 15:48:32	Maddie	Why does this not return anything "systemctl list-unit-files | grep -o pulse" I can literly see /usr/lib/systemd/user/pulseaudio.{service,socket} ...
2024-05-05 15:49:00	Maddie	(I meant to do grep -i but the result is the same.  I just checked).
2024-05-05 15:49:09	alad	the /user gives it away
2024-05-05 15:49:15	Scimmia	because, again, it's in the user session, not the system session
2024-05-05 15:49:43	Maddie	What does that even mean?
2024-05-05 15:49:48	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd/User
2024-05-05 15:49:49	phrik	Title: systemd/User - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-05 15:49:57	⚡ 	Maddie has more to read
2024-05-05 15:49:59	Maddie	brb
2024-05-05 15:50:11	Namarrgon	Read the whole thing once before you touch anything.
2024-05-05 15:52:58	Maddie	Wow so now I have symlinks in my home directory...
2024-05-05 16:00:16	SysGhost	My home folder is almost only symlinks. Spreads my stuff across different types of drives.
2024-05-05 16:01:01	SysGhost	I even have a script to move the destinations of each symlink between the drives.
2024-05-05 16:01:52	Maddie	I would like to look in your home folder now.....
2024-05-05 16:02:20	Maddie	Sounds either absolutely awful or wonderful depending on the structure and data...
2024-05-05 16:03:33	Maddie	dang https://github.com/SysGhost
2024-05-05 16:03:39	SysGhost	it's basically moving things between a slow-as-molasses huge drive, or a smaller fast-as-fck nvme ssd.
2024-05-05 16:04:38	Maddie	SysGhost: So like root on mvme with symlinks to the hdd?
2024-05-05 16:05:45	SysGhost	system itself sits on another even faster, but small-as-fck ssd (128 GiB only)
2024-05-05 16:06:36	SysGhost	sure it has the /home, but the other two drives are mounted on /opt/home-slow and /opt/home-fast
2024-05-05 16:12:20	Maddie	SysGhost: Soo...... /home on ssd symlimks to /home on nvme and hdd?
2024-05-05 16:12:53	Maddie	Sounds like mergefs with extra steps.
2024-05-05 16:13:24	Scimmia	 /home can't be a symlink. And it all sounds like this would be better accomplished with mounts
2024-05-05 16:14:10	SysGhost	no... /home/sysghost till sits on the rootfs. Folders under /home/sysghost are moved and symlinked t owhere I need then. Stuff that takes a lot of space, but don't need fast access? symlink the entire folder to /opt/home-slow/sysghost/ ...
2024-05-05 16:14:53	SysGhost	i.e. music, movies, projects etc.
2024-05-05 16:15:42	SysGhost	stuff that benefit from fast acces but hogs too much of the main root drive. symlink to /opt/home-fast/sysghost ...
2024-05-05 16:16:29	SysGhost	small stuff that's too small or just irrelevant from managing as such stays on the root drive /home/sysghost/
2024-05-05 16:20:25	demonicmaniac1	still sounds a bit like mh...i can't remember, mhdfs oder something similar? which allowed you to set size limits for files to move to x or y as backing storages and fill status limits 
2024-05-05 16:21:52	demonicmaniac1	kinda wish there was something kernel builtin for that to have say tmpfs in memory and a backing /tmp and files > 10mb automatically go to the backing storage instead of tmpfs
2024-05-05 16:31:09	demonicmaniac1	i guess mergefs is the successor to mhddfs, neat
2024-05-05 16:34:12	SysGhost	I really want to be in control of it myself. Besides it's not that much to maintain once set up.
2024-05-05 16:34:58	SysGhost	If I ever decide to unlink or move from onedrive to another, I just run my lil script to make the move and it all happens in the background.
2024-05-05 16:35:29	SysGhost	it manages the symlinks and makes sure they're up to date.
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2024-05-05 16:37:15	Maddie	cool
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2024-05-05 16:38:18	demonicmaniac1	fair i was more thinking specifically of tmp on embedded/netbooks with very limited ram
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2024-05-05 16:56:35	Maddie	demonicmaniac1: Personally I would use swap in that case as the storage might be slow aswell and most of tmp isn't accessed often, meaning most will be on ram anyway whilist a lot of the other stuff will be on swap which is on the disk.  Yeah it adds a little overhead, not sure how much but I think it would be a pretty good solution.
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2024-05-05 17:10:19	demonicmaniac1	Maddie: swap won't let you configure large or small files tho. like it makes sense to keep all 4k files in tmp and simply move larger files to the backing swap which you might need once or rarely loaded quickly/accessed quickly. with swap it would constantly swap in and out based on access regardless of size
2024-05-05 17:11:31	Maddie	demonicmaniac1: No but didn't you want to do that because of limited ram on a netbook?
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2024-05-05 17:16:16	demonicmaniac1	Maddie: yes but again - constantly swapping in and out when larger files use all the tmpfs for recency and then needing to swap in smaller files again and swapping out larger files is a lot of overhead. it's not swap per se that's the problem it's the lack of configurabilty to keep smaller files pinned in the ram vs disk
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2024-05-05 17:17:56	Maddie	Ohh, well that case. yes.
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2024-05-05 18:17:01	SysGhost	KDE often don't like "upgrading" user configuration and weird things can happen when going from one major version to another.
2024-05-05 18:19:41	sarastro	SysGhost, thanks I'll try other userid and if needed #kde. Plasma6/wayland worked fine after the update from Plasma5/xorg, until it didn't
2024-05-05 18:21:01	SysGhost	As the devs fix and update known bugs with plasma6, other bugs can creep up to the surface.
2024-05-05 18:22:04	SysGhost	often minor, but oh so annoying... =)
2024-05-05 18:22:32	SysGhost	I can't see the problem myself and I don't know how to reproduce.
2024-05-05 18:23:26	sarastro	Yeah, I tried another userid and got different, but also incorrect behavior of the taskbar.
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2024-05-05 18:24:21	SysGhost	time for a bug report @ kde bug tracker... if you got the time and will that is.
2024-05-05 18:24:39	SysGhost	perhaps someone already reported something similar.
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2024-05-05 18:25:45	sarastro	SysGhost, I'll try #kde and/or experiment with settings. I just thought someone here might have had the same or similar problem. Thx.
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2024-05-05 18:34:35	zbe	Random q: how's plasma 6 on wayland for nvidia users?
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2024-05-05 18:43:59	zbe	No one?
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2024-05-05 18:44:29	SysGhost	probably not worse than usual. ;)
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2024-05-05 18:45:19	zbe	:p Just interested to hear from someone first hand
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2024-05-05 18:45:28	SysGhost	Don't think nVidia deals with plasma6 exclusive "features".... yet....
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2024-05-05 19:21:58	teraflops	scarlet -> guitarix -> reaper https://paste.priet.us/screenshot_2024-05-05-19-20-24.png \o/
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2024-05-05 19:25:02	Eisenhans	teraflops: I got to get an USB-controller card, because my old 18i20 doesn't want to play nice with the NEC onboard USB of our new work PCs :(
2024-05-05 19:26:42	teraflops	I always use macbook to record and I was curious about setting it up on linux
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2024-05-05 20:48:38	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-05 20:48:38	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1459 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1458 regular)
2024-05-05 20:25:11	edu4rdshl	arojas, did you mind to check https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/inter-font/-/merge_requests/3 ?
2024-05-05 20:25:12	phrik	Title: Include additional fonts (!3) · Merge requests · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / inter-font · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-05 20:25:24	edu4rdshl	And sorry for the ping
2024-05-05 20:26:27	edu4rdshl	Basically with the current package it's impossible for AL users to test https://gitlab.gnome.org/Teams/Design/initiatives/-/issues/152 without manually installing the required fonts
2024-05-05 20:26:29	phrik	Title: Inter as default interface font (#152) · Issues · Teams / Design / Initiatives · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
2024-05-05 20:48:42	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-05-05 21:20:56	markboston	How do i build a package into a clean chroot after building it?
2024-05-05 21:21:14	markboston	or do i just build normally? but that doesn't seem to work
2024-05-05 21:22:17	edu4rdshl	markboston, what? How "build after building it"?
2024-05-05 21:22:35	markboston	install rather
2024-05-05 21:22:36	espresso	markboston: there are devtools.. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:Building_in_a_clean_chroot
2024-05-05 21:22:38	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:Building in a clean chroot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-05 21:22:43	markboston	not build
2024-05-05 21:22:45	markboston	:P
2024-05-05 21:22:48	edu4rdshl	markboston, there's no such thing
2024-05-05 21:22:54	edu4rdshl	What's the point?
2024-05-05 21:23:28	markboston	after you get a package file don't you have to install it? otherwise its just a file on your computer
2024-05-05 21:23:47	edu4rdshl	Uh? Then why you want a package
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2024-05-05 21:24:25	edu4rdshl	You want to build a package into a clean chroot and install it there to get a file?
2024-05-05 21:24:30	edu4rdshl	I don't get it
2024-05-05 21:26:13	markboston	no
2024-05-05 21:26:28	markboston	build a aur package and then install to system
2024-05-05 21:26:46	markboston	usually you do pacman -U ...... but that didn't seem to work for me
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2024-05-05 21:27:01	markboston	unless theres a way to tell pacman install here
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2024-05-05 21:33:13	Namarrgon	-U is correct. How does it not work for you?
2024-05-05 21:34:00	markboston	it says the package is already installed but another package that needs that as a dep can't find it
2024-05-05 21:34:15	Namarrgon	Can you post the -U output?
2024-05-05 21:34:32	markboston	it just says reinstalling no erros
2024-05-05 21:34:38	markboston	i can try the other one
2024-05-05 21:34:59	Namarrgon	So it installed it just fine. Post the output when installing the other package.
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2024-05-05 21:36:57	markboston	!paste
2024-05-05 21:36:58	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-05-05 21:37:43	markboston	https://paste.rs/rItIB.txt
2024-05-05 21:37:45	phrik	Title: Source Code | rItIB | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
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2024-05-05 21:38:25	Namarrgon	Is this aur/mesa-git?
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2024-05-05 21:39:58	markboston	yup
2024-05-05 21:40:10	Namarrgon	pacman -Q directx-headers-git
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2024-05-05 21:41:30	markboston	directx-headers-git r211.aafb798-1
2024-05-05 21:41:41	Namarrgon	Did you also install it into the "clean" chroot?
2024-05-05 21:43:50	gloomy	Good evening. 1. is it normal that `scanimage -L` takes something like 15 seconds? 2. is it normal that it reports my webcam/IR sensor as scanners? 
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2024-05-05 21:45:19	markboston	thats what im not sure how to do. if i just  do regular pacman -U it says its already installed because i have it installed on my system
2024-05-05 21:45:29	Namarrgon	markboston: That's the whole point of building in a clean environment, the software doesn't pick up dirty from your real system.
2024-05-05 21:45:46	Namarrgon	Are you using pkgctl or the old devtools?
2024-05-05 21:46:44	markboston	devtools
2024-05-05 21:47:17	Namarrgon	Then you can use makechrootpkg to install packages into the chroot, check its --help output.
2024-05-05 21:47:28	Namarrgon	pkgctl-build has a similar option.
2024-05-05 21:47:40	greyltc	gloomy: `scanimage -L` takes 6.3 seconds for me and reports my webcam
2024-05-05 21:48:10	Namarrgon	And since directx-headers is just a make-dep you don't need to have it installed on the target system.
2024-05-05 21:48:36	gloomy	Hmm so I guess webcams are just considered scanners
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2024-05-05 21:48:54	Namarrgon	Aren't they doing the same thing basically?
2024-05-05 21:49:05	greyltc	i could take a picture of a document with it, seems legit.
2024-05-05 21:49:05	teraflops	same as touch screens are considered input devices
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2024-05-05 21:50:35	gloomy	aye aye 
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2024-05-05 21:51:44	markboston	how do i install into the chroot just running pkgctl build or makechrootpkg -i -r just builds it
2024-05-05 21:51:56	gloomy	Was just wondering if it was related to it being super slow but I guess not. takes betwen 15-30 seconds to detect scanners and in general is pretty unresponsive... (e.g. `scanimage --help -d brother5:bus2;dev2` takes upwards of one minute)
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2024-05-05 21:52:27	markboston	clearly im missing something but not sure what that is
2024-05-05 21:52:35	Namarrgon	markboston: Where does the "-i" come from?
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2024-05-05 21:53:16	markboston	i meant -c
2024-05-05 21:53:30	Namarrgon	... neither makes sense here.
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2024-05-05 21:54:47	markboston	$ makechrootpkg -c -r $CHROOT
2024-05-05 21:54:51	markboston	thats what i meant
2024-05-05 21:54:59	markboston	was trying to type it from memory
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2024-05-05 21:55:19	Namarrgon	What about installing the dependency?
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2024-05-05 21:56:57	markboston	is pkgctl documented anywhere the manpage doesn't really give you a lot of info
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2024-05-05 21:57:14	Namarrgon	Read "man makechrootpkg" or "man pkgctl-build".
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2024-05-05 21:58:07	markboston	like theres only one command for pkgctl aur?
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2024-05-05 21:58:44	Namarrgon	I'm not sure what you mean.
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2024-05-05 21:59:56	dh|2	the manual for makechrootpkg includes an -I option for installing packages to the specified root directory
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2024-05-05 22:00:14	dh|2	or a package.
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2024-05-05 22:01:36	markboston	if you do help for pkgctl aur it only mentions dumping a package from the repos to the aur
2024-05-05 22:01:43	markboston	which a regular user can't even do
2024-05-05 22:02:10	Namarrgon	That option is not for you.
2024-05-05 22:02:25	Namarrgon	And it wouldn't help you either way because it does something entirely different.
2024-05-05 22:02:48	Namarrgon	I keep pointing you at "pkgctl build" but you refuse to read the documentation.
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2024-05-05 22:03:56	markboston	didn't see that
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2024-05-05 22:04:15	Namarrgon	You also didn't see the manual makechrootpkg, twice.
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2024-05-05 22:06:13	markboston	it mentions the same thing but when i try it with makechrootpkg i got an error saying it couldn't find the chrroot or there was a invalid directory
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2024-05-05 22:09:05	Namarrgon	Which command fails?
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2024-05-05 22:12:40	intelfx	Hey. Random question into the void. Was there a time when our initcpio included the host machine-id?
2024-05-05 22:13:11	markboston	when i try makechrootpkg -I
2024-05-05 22:13:32	Namarrgon	markboston: Do you not see what is wrong with this answer?
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2024-05-05 22:14:02	markboston	also pkgctl build -I directx-headers-git,,,,, didn't install
2024-05-05 22:14:08	markboston	no im totally confused
2024-05-05 22:14:21	Namarrgon	!bail
2024-05-05 22:14:22	phrik	Looks like Namarrgon is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2024-05-05 22:15:47	edu4rdshl	markboston, -I needs to point to a pre-built package, not to a random package name
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2024-05-05 22:17:53	markboston	well im gonna try redoing the chroot because im getting too many odd errors maybe i missed a step somewhere
2024-05-05 22:19:45	dh|2	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:Building_in_a_clean_chroot  -- that page seems to provide enough information and examples.. along with the manual pages.
2024-05-05 22:19:47	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:Building in a clean chroot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-05 22:20:59	markboston	i must of skipped a step somehow
2024-05-05 22:21:03	dh|2	one problem is that you're being far too vague. It's probably better you post a pastebin with the exact commands you ran and their output (copy and paste from terminal) starting from scratch.
2024-05-05 22:21:29	edu4rdshl	People refusing to read is very common here, you'll be surprised
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2024-05-05 22:22:27	dh|2	some of us started back in the 90s when all we had was the manual, so we had to figure it out for ourselves, and getting help from IRC was far less nice than this :)
2024-05-05 22:22:39	edu4rdshl	:)
2024-05-05 22:22:41	markboston	thats half the internet :P
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2024-05-05 22:23:14	markboston	dh|2 i go back to late 80s had my first computer when i was 3
2024-05-05 22:23:37	markboston	i wasn't on the net till like 96-97 so i had no help
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2024-05-05 22:29:53	phrik	Title: FGA: Please follow the standard litany when giving a problem report. (at www.co.kerr.tx.us)
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2024-05-05 22:35:12	androidui29	for some reason clipboard sharing has stopped working
2024-05-05 22:35:21	androidui29	in vbox additions
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2024-05-05 22:38:57	susi	I long the days when rtfm was the answer to most queries
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2024-05-05 22:51:19	markboston	well it appears to be working now not sure what i did wrong i must of skipped something
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2024-05-05 22:52:04	markboston	i do have to say building it in the regular system is a lot faster
2024-05-05 22:53:06	markboston	just from the amount of steps you need to do. im sure theres scripts and things you can do to automate things. when i tried mesa before the build was failing so i wanted to see if something on my system was the issue
2024-05-05 22:53:37	markboston	and nope it failed again. so i guess there's an issue
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2024-05-05 22:54:45	markboston	hmm the error is different though
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2024-05-05 22:54:58	markboston	i guess this is why its still not released
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2024-05-05 23:02:41	dh|2	I would have first stated the real problem, instead of creating side ones for people to help solve.
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2024-05-05 23:06:34	markboston	i figured it was a mesa issue but you never know till you try
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2024-05-05 23:27:05	red_man	hi all
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2024-05-05 23:38:56	red_man	hey all so I have a set of wireless earplgs for audio 
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2024-05-05 23:39:04	red_man	no sound
2024-05-05 23:39:44	red_man	so what do i do
2024-05-05 23:39:46	phrik	compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2024-05-05 23:41:27	red_man	well ok then
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2024-05-05 23:47:51	androidui29	drag and drop has broken too  ;-;
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2024-05-05 23:50:10	androidui29	idk how i broke guest additions ;-;
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2024-05-05 23:52:58	androidui29	how can i try to see how virtualbox-guest-utils broke
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2024-05-06 00:38:16	nullstring	for some reason when I plug in a usb drive into my arch linux box, it doesn't seem to create /dev/ device or whatever it is
2024-05-06 00:38:19	nullstring	any idea why?
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2024-05-06 00:38:44	nullstring	seems like it shows up in dmesg just fine, but it's not in fdisk -l, and dmesg doesn't mention a /dev/ 
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2024-05-06 00:39:06	nullstring	drive works fine on windows
2024-05-06 00:40:44	nullstring	https://superuser.com/questions/1188895/usb-detected-but-not-found-in-dev ah
2024-05-06 00:40:44	phrik	Title: arch linux - USB detected but not found in /dev - Super User (at superuser.com)
2024-05-06 00:40:50	nullstring	one of the only things I hate about arch :S
2024-05-06 00:40:56	teraflops	reboot?
2024-05-06 00:41:42	nullstring	I wonder if I can just downgrade the kernel package...
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2024-05-06 00:43:02	nullstring	yeah that works
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2024-05-06 00:48:16	demonicmaniac1	!utkbnry
2024-05-06 00:48:17	phrik	Updated the kernel but not rebooted yet?
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2024-05-06 00:49:34	demonicmaniac1	ingrained into my brain :)
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2024-05-06 00:55:19	nullstring	I am suprised I've never run into it before. Maybe on my laptop the module is already loaded for some reason all the time. 
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2024-05-06 11:41:51	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-06 11:44:04	rdg	what is blocking the update to mbedtls 3.6.0? https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/mbedtls/
2024-05-06 11:44:06	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - mbedtls 3.5.2-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
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2024-05-06 13:59:17	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-06 11:48:15	tribly	maybe packager time?
2024-05-06 11:56:33	lsrtl	hi, I'm after the package https://archlinux.org/packages/?q=aws-cli a new one has been released. Is there a way to get it updated please ? 
2024-05-06 11:56:37	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2024-05-06 11:58:58	demonicmaniac1	lsrtl: mark it as out of date if there is a new stable update upstream and then wait - there might be things blocking it or the packager just not having time
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2024-05-06 12:12:07	jclsn	Is there a way to force makepkg to not update the src repo?
2024-05-06 12:12:24	jclsn	I am making some changes to the sourcecode and it is being overwritten
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2024-05-06 12:13:18	demonicmaniac1	jclsn: man makepkg /--noextract
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2024-05-06 13:39:54	Soni	how do you setup RAID6, starting from a single disk, and a tiny partition, and moving things over and growing the array as you go?
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2024-05-06 13:41:00	Soni	maybe we should just full-send it...
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2024-05-06 13:43:31	Namarrgon	Skip the unnecessary complexity that you added for no good reason and do it the simple way.
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2024-05-06 13:54:13	gloomy_laptop	I want to generate a dead-simple static site - no security, no interactivity, no nothing - basically just a HTML report for sharing internally. Any recommendations for a library? The only thing I care about is that it should be quick and easy to setup/run (should still be pretty enough to not scare off non-technical colleagues, so `file.write(html_string)`  is not enough, but ideally it
2024-05-06 13:54:13	gloomy_laptop	shouldn't be much more involved 
2024-05-06 13:54:15	gloomy_laptop	than that)
2024-05-06 13:54:33	gloomy_laptop	Ooops, wrong channel meant to send this in #python :)
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2024-05-06 14:05:14	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-06 14:06:12	gmntroll	Package 'bear' was broken recently, because it wasn't rebuilt when its dependency 'spdlog' was updated. It's fixed now, but where should I report if something like that happens again?
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2024-05-06 14:06:36	mpan	gmntroll: hello. In the bugtracker. 
2024-05-06 14:06:46	bluetail	gmntroll was it in upstream or in AUR?
2024-05-06 14:07:01	gmntroll	its in the official repos, in extra
2024-05-06 14:07:40	mpan	gmntroll: if you go to package’s page, e.g. <https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/bear/>, in “Package actions” there are “Bug Reports” and “Add New Bug” links.
2024-05-06 14:07:42	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - bear 3.1.3-12 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
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2024-05-06 14:08:13	bluetail	whys there no bot action
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2024-05-06 14:08:29	gmntroll	thanks
2024-05-06 14:08:39	bluetail	!report <package> <bug> <description>
2024-05-06 14:08:39	phrik	bluetail: Say what?
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2024-05-06 14:09:07	bluetail	would be neat... yea why isnt there, maybe cause ....
2024-05-06 14:09:17	mpan	bluetail: there is also a #archlinux-bugs channel — they can help regarding accounts in the bugtracker etc.
2024-05-06 14:09:21	mpan	gmntroll: there is also a #archlinux-bugs channel — they can help regarding accounts in the bugtracker etc.
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2024-05-06 14:10:43	mpan	bluetail: because IRC is hardly suitable for filing in proper bug reports (size/format limitation) and further interaction wouldn’t be possible either without excessive effort.
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2024-05-06 14:11:08	Earnestly	irc is just good for initiating/coordinating
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2024-05-06 14:38:03	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-06 14:28:47	bluetail	@EMIYA what is 256^2
2024-05-06 14:29:11	bluetail	I saw the other time in ##electronics they added llama2 to one of the bots
2024-05-06 14:31:15	red_man	mornin ppls
2024-05-06 14:38:07	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-05-06 14:42:59	red_man	man like I never knew dealing w/bluetooth could be such a pain
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2024-05-06 14:44:58	Strykar	Lemme guess CSR chip?
2024-05-06 14:45:09	red_man	huh
2024-05-06 14:45:17	red_man	csr?
2024-05-06 14:45:44	red_man	wireless ear phones
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2024-05-06 14:47:09	red_man	and on top of that alsamixer has auto mute on dont know how to turn it off
2024-05-06 14:47:11	demonicmaniac1	mpan: bluetail: also spam and abuse
2024-05-06 14:47:17	demonicmaniac1	re bot bugreports
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2024-05-06 14:49:53	mpan	demonicmaniac1: IMO that’s less of an issue, given #archlinux has defenses stronger than the bugtracker.
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2024-05-06 14:50:40	MacGyver	red_man: pipewire reportedly makes bluetooth audio easier.
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2024-05-06 14:51:13	MacGyver	red_man: But yes, bluetooth is one of the few areas where the Linux experience is very sub-par.
2024-05-06 14:51:24	MacGyver	red_man: I hope you never have to scan a document.
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2024-05-06 14:51:50	virtualsid	MacGyver: you say that, but I found setting up a bluetooth mouse was way easier than I expected. I was expecting a world of pain, but, bluetoothctl, or whatever it was, pair the mouse, and, good to go.
2024-05-06 14:52:05	virtualsid	I haven't dared setup my headset though :P
2024-05-06 14:52:49	Strykar	red_man: the chipset of your bluetooth adapter, not your end device
2024-05-06 14:54:14	red_man	thats what I thought
2024-05-06 14:55:14	red_man	so I found bluetoothctl page seems like a no brainer
2024-05-06 14:55:14	Strykar	not what you said tho, so what chip is it, do you know?
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2024-05-06 14:55:33	red_man	ok sorry im tired 
2024-05-06 14:56:03	red_man	and I have a 3hr drive to look forward to
2024-05-06 14:56:36	red_man	chipset I dont know
2024-05-06 14:56:57	red_man	and its packed away
2024-05-06 14:57:58	virtualsid	oh, so, not active troubleshooting time, just venting time? -D
2024-05-06 14:57:59	virtualsid	:-D
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2024-05-06 14:58:28	red_man	well i WAS TROUBLE SHOOTING
2024-05-06 14:58:38	red_man	dam caplocks
2024-05-06 14:59:16	virtualsid	3 hour drive while tired seems like a bad idea :(
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2024-05-06 14:59:45	red_man	yeah the VA doest wait 
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2024-05-06 15:51:38	jdarnley	dammit updating my laptop appears to have screwed up or brought new dpi settings
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2024-05-06 15:51:57	jdarnley	everything is so bloated now I can't even do a 50:50 split and get 80 columns
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2024-05-06 15:52:57	BrainDamage	check that the monitor reports the correct size in the edid
2024-05-06 15:53:12	BrainDamage	that's usually the #1 reason why dpi gets screwed up
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2024-05-06 16:00:54	jdarnley	now I need to find a measure
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2024-05-06 16:02:14	MacGyver	jdarnley: Worst case ask someone who does have a measure to type a line in IRC and tell you their font and font size, resolution, screen size, and DPI, and work backward from there :P
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2024-05-06 16:02:32	MacGyver	jdarnley: Oh and of course how wide the line is for them.
2024-05-06 16:03:24	jdarnley	irc is on another computer and this one didn't screw up when I updated it
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2024-05-06 16:04:59	demonicmaniac1	jdarnley: compare logs?
2024-05-06 16:05:06	jdarnley	it looks close enough to what the edid says
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2024-05-06 16:06:19	demonicmaniac1	i just manually set the dpi to 96x96 everywhere because it frustrates the hell out of me otherwise :P
2024-05-06 16:06:50	demonicmaniac1	noticed it when i moved from modesetting to xf86-video-amdgpu and suddenly blender was 3x the size 
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2024-05-06 16:29:14	solsTiCe	hi. my bash prompt is garbled in a terminal in VSCode, once I activate a venv. any idea what is wrong or how to fix it?
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2024-05-06 16:29:32	Khorne	Garbled how?
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2024-05-06 16:30:17	solsTiCe	https://imgur.com/a/6Zvf0EW
2024-05-06 16:30:17	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
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2024-05-06 16:30:55	Khorne	Prompt is using escape sequences vscode terminal doesnt understand I guess
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2024-05-06 16:32:15	solsTiCe	If I force redraw the terminal with CTRL-L, the prompt is ok
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2024-05-06 16:33:46	Khorne	¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ^L to your prompt
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2024-05-06 16:48:07	demure	solsTiCe: you could add a if test to your shell's conf to test for the vscode terminal, and have your PS1 be less fancy in the vscode term (remove colors)
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2024-05-06 16:49:24	BrainDamage	what TERM does vscode sets?
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2024-05-06 16:49:44	demure	presumably you have a fancy myvenv bit that is breaking
2024-05-06 16:50:05	demure	no clue, but `set | less` can probably find something to test against 
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2024-05-06 16:55:44	intelfx	heh, speaking of janky terminals, the IDEA built-in one is surely the worst
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2024-05-06 16:56:39	demure	mmm, self assembled shells, with little funny diagrams
2024-05-06 16:56:43	intelfx	IKEA terminal emulator, now that's an idea
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2024-05-06 16:58:19	raccct	I had lost audio since the last update. was able to restore audio. however something is still off. (pulsemixer doesn't work) anyone can spare a minute to help my arch back to its feet?
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2024-05-06 20:14:37	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-06 19:49:52	heggle	mistyped the command
2024-05-06 20:14:41	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-05-06 20:17:04	xx	"temporarily"
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2024-05-06 20:18:11	Earnestly	It has been several months, or years, now
2024-05-06 20:18:12	◥	glitsj16 (~glitsj16@46.101.249.147) has joined #archlinux
2024-05-06 20:18:39	Antiz	Definitely not years
2024-05-06 20:19:01	Antiz	The switch to Git/GitLab happened like 6 months ago: https://archlinux.org/news/bugtracker-migration-to-gitlab-completed/
2024-05-06 20:19:02	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Bugtracker migration to GitLab completed (at archlinux.org)
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2024-05-06 20:19:07	zphinx	Earnestly: years from what?
2024-05-06 20:19:11	Scimmia	at least not since it was opened to the public
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2024-05-06 20:19:31	Antiz	And we suffered from spam for quite some times before disabling so registrations.
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2024-05-06 20:19:43	Earnestly	Ah not years then
2024-05-06 20:19:56	Antiz	It may feels like years, but it's actually "only" a few months ^^
2024-05-06 20:20:10	Earnestly	It all sort of merges together
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2024-05-06 20:21:08	demonicmaniac1	that's how i feel about all the portal stuff and wireplumber which "suddenly" appeared and became defaults and mandatory :D i feel like i'm a year behind at least
2024-05-06 20:21:35	Earnestly	I still haven't moved on, new laptop just sort of collecting dust
2024-05-06 20:21:43	Antiz	Though I agree that it would be great re-enable registrations :) But that requires a solution to the spam issue which, AFAIK, isn't solved yet :/
2024-05-06 20:22:25	Earnestly	To be fair, having to email seems like a decent barrier
2024-05-06 20:22:44	Earnestly	(For spam)
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2024-05-06 20:23:40	Antiz	It is yeah :)
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2024-05-06 20:28:22	peelz	I just rebuilt my C project (with meson). The old builds had no exported symbols (as expected), but the new builds now have "@GLIBC_2.2.5" symbols, e.g: "nm --extern-only --defined-only": 0000000000007220 B optind@GLIBC_2.2.5
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2024-05-06 20:28:36	peelz	(the old build was built in a clean chroot)
2024-05-06 20:28:52	peelz	is this something with my configuration, or did something change recently?
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2024-05-06 20:32:53	ser	@Antiz: I saw that, thank yo.
2024-05-06 20:33:02	Antiz	np :)
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2024-05-06 20:44:45	golam71	howdy
2024-05-06 20:44:55	mpan	Hello
2024-05-06 20:45:09	gog	hiiii
2024-05-06 20:45:14	golam71	maintainer of neofetch started farming 
2024-05-06 20:45:34	golam71	i thing at some point all tech savvy people become farmers
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2024-05-06 20:45:38	ser	Anyone know the Arch equivalent of Debian's locales-all package? I'm trying to get isoquery to build, and it's failing on a localization test; the upstream author said there was a similar issue on Debian, the fix being installing that package.
2024-05-06 20:45:54	golam71	NetSysFire he acrhived all github repos
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2024-05-06 20:46:19	gog	ser: edit /etc/locale.gen to include the missing locales, then locale-gen
2024-05-06 20:46:19	golam71	and his bio on github says that he farms now
2024-05-06 20:46:37	mpan	ser: locales are generated dynamically on Arch, using locale-gen, not shipped. So I don’t think this is the case. You have to uncomment them all, generate.
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2024-05-06 20:48:50	demonicmaniac1	apparently locale-all on debian is meant as a solution for memory/space constrained platforms where building locales might hit those constraints but it's not generally suggested
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2024-05-06 20:50:19	golam71	is there a way to silence the quit and join messages on irssi
2024-05-06 20:51:25	golam71	fair
2024-05-06 20:51:27	demonicmaniac1	or look in the archwiki
2024-05-06 20:51:27	mpan	golam71:  /ignore * NO_ACT JOINS PARTS QUITS
2024-05-06 20:51:28	thumbs	golam71: tl;dr /help ignore
2024-05-06 20:51:40	golam71	thanks guys
2024-05-06 20:51:50	demonicmaniac1	i'd recommend smartfilter plugin over just hiding all
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2024-05-06 20:53:29	kpcyrd	golam71: understandable, computers are terrible
2024-05-06 20:53:38	gog	agreed
2024-05-06 20:53:45	thumbs	Indeed: https://scripts.irssi.org/scripts/smartfilter.pl
2024-05-06 20:54:21	golam71	i will try farming too some day
2024-05-06 20:54:22	thumbs	The main problem with a blank ignore is that you miss events such as a user leaving when you're talking to them.
2024-05-06 20:54:41	golam71	i only talk in public channles so fine for me
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2024-05-06 20:54:58	thumbs	It applies to answering a user in a public channel too.
2024-05-06 20:55:06	kpcyrd	golam71: if you can figure out dynamic linking you can figure out photosynthesis too
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2024-05-06 20:55:26	golam71	yeah 
2024-05-06 20:55:38	golam71	framing seems cool to be fare
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2024-05-06 20:55:47	golam71	you grow your food and eat to live
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2024-05-06 20:57:39	ser	@gog, @mpan thanks it's a starting point
2024-05-06 20:58:10	ser	Although, it does make me wonder about what the package *should* do
2024-05-06 20:58:55	ser	I mean, whatever hacking I do on my system to get the package to install, there's the question of what should be done in the PKGBUILD to get it to install reliably.
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2024-05-06 21:00:43	ser	Hm. Maybe there isn't a solution; I think the package in question (isoquery) has a test that's checking that all locales are available, and that's not a valid expectation to make for Arch systems, is it?
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2024-05-06 21:01:22	ser	So, basically what @mpan said.
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2024-05-06 21:03:38	demonicmaniac1	is the test mandatory?
2024-05-06 21:03:52	demonicmaniac1	does it affect functionality?
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2024-05-06 21:15:57	ser	@demonicmaniac1 Good question. The original packager put it in the `check()`, but as I was writing an email about it to the upstream author, I'm wondering whether it's a suitable check.
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2024-05-06 21:16:44	ser	It's obviously a test the developer would want to run -- make sure the tool works with localizations properly -- but for a src-based packager, it may not be appropriate.
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2024-05-06 21:18:24	ser	AUR, in this case. Maybe if there were a -bin, the CI could enable all localizations in the container and run the check, but it's always going to fail unless the user has enabled several locales that many people probably havent't. Like Algonquian.
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2024-05-06 21:28:38	bswartz	Wow I just wedged my Archlinux box harder than I ever have before. I was running mkfs.ntfs on a USB drive and I pulled the USB drive out and the system just hard locked up. Could not even reboot
2024-05-06 21:29:31	mpan	Congratulations.
2024-05-06 21:30:09	bswartz	This is expected behavior?
2024-05-06 21:30:19	mpan	No
2024-05-06 21:31:17	mpan	The entire system hanging in this scenario sounds weird. I/O locking for some time on a particular process, e.g. mkfs.ntfs, is possible. But I can’t even imagine, what would cause the entire system to hang.
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2024-05-06 21:32:20	demonicmaniac1	ser: or patch it to ignore some tests failing or expected to fail if not all locales exist
2024-05-06 21:32:26	bswartz	Well I was able to SSH in still, and kill -9 the mkfs process
2024-05-06 21:32:40	demonicmaniac1	then it didn't hard lock if you could ssh in
2024-05-06 21:32:46	bswartz	But I could not get the /dev/sda device to go away and I could not reboot
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2024-05-06 21:37:43	demonicmaniac1	bswartz: would be intresting to have seen the journal and dmesg via the ssh and what would happen if you force ejected the usb device via sys eject etc
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2024-05-07 13:40:52	raccct	can I get help with my audio. I use pipewire and pulsemixer. pulsemixer says 'Failed to connect to pulseaudio: Connection refused'
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2024-05-07 13:53:15	teraflops	raccct: systemctl --user status pipewire-pulse.socket
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2024-05-07 13:56:27	raccct	teraflops: thx for the pointer. it failed and I was able to restart it. now pulse mixer says 'Failed to connect to pulseaudio'. also `systemctl --user status pulseaudio` : Unit pulseaudio.service could not be found. Do I need that?
2024-05-07 13:56:48	teraflops	raccct: I said pipewire-pulse
2024-05-07 13:57:00	teraflops	ah
2024-05-07 13:57:31	teraflops	ok do you have pipewire-pulse package installed?
2024-05-07 13:57:40	teraflops	if not, install it
2024-05-07 13:58:15	raccct	yup. also just reinstalled it to be sure. your systemctl cmd shows it active now (it wasn't before)
2024-05-07 13:58:39	teraflops	try pulsemixer again
2024-05-07 13:59:09	raccct	now it shows the shorter error: Failed to connect to pulseaudio
2024-05-07 13:59:23	raccct	(without 'connection refused')
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2024-05-07 14:00:39	teraflops	raccct: if you start this manually does it make any difference? systemctl --user start pipewire-pulse.service
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2024-05-07 14:01:52	raccct	found out: `systemctl --user status pipewire` shows 'failed' and doesn't seem to start
2024-05-07 14:02:26	Namarrgon	"journalctl -b -u pipewire.service"
2024-05-07 14:02:40	Namarrgon	--user, too
2024-05-07 14:02:47	teraflops	journalctl --user -u pipewire-pulse.service
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2024-05-07 14:02:52	teraflops	ah :)
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2024-05-07 14:04:14	raccct	thx for the help guys! log shows: "mod.protocol-native: server 0x617eb366d5b0: unable to lock lockfile '/run/user/1000/pipewire-0.lock': Resource temporarily unavailable (maybe another daemon is running)"
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2024-05-07 14:05:12	raccct	is it normal? or can I just delete to .lock-file?
2024-05-07 14:05:19	teraflops	raccct: are you using a DE or WM?
2024-05-07 14:05:32	raccct	dwm
2024-05-07 14:05:37	Namarrgon	Did you start pipewire manually somehow?
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2024-05-07 14:05:42	teraflops	yeah
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2024-05-07 14:05:53	raccct	only now tried, since it showed failed.
2024-05-07 14:05:55	teraflops	in .xinitrc or whatever
2024-05-07 14:06:01	raccct	maybe I need to reboot?
2024-05-07 14:06:07	Namarrgon	You just typed "pipewire" into a terminal?
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2024-05-07 14:06:47	raccct	yes, I did try that as part of my investigation
2024-05-07 14:07:01	Namarrgon	Kill it and restart the service unit.
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2024-05-07 14:07:35	raccct	is there a way to kill via systemctl or just kill?
2024-05-07 14:07:49	teraflops	!kiwf
2024-05-07 14:07:50	phrik	kill it with fire! http://i.imgur.com/Slfwa.gif
2024-05-07 14:07:52	Namarrgon	Just kill, since you didn't start it with systemctl.
2024-05-07 14:08:01	raccct	ok, will do. thx!
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2024-05-07 14:45:23	xecuter	hiho, do you have a tutorial for retroarch? i am not sure, if i need open ports in iptables, because ... no receive header from host.
2024-05-07 14:46:27	xecuter	hmm i need a tutorial FOR or OF retroarch?
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2024-05-07 14:50:11	astralc	tutorial for what? there is the wiki, and you don't need ports if you don't use the "downloader" inside
2024-05-07 14:50:21	astralc	!aw retroarch
2024-05-07 14:50:22	phrik	astralc: Retroarch - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Retroarch
2024-05-07 14:50:54	teraflops	xecuter: is the machine behind a firewall?
2024-05-07 14:51:07	xecuter	@teraflops: shorewall
2024-05-07 14:51:36	teraflops	is it dropping by default?
2024-05-07 14:52:30	xecuter	last time, i had edit shorewall... it was for ~5years. 
2024-05-07 14:53:07	teraflops	stop it and try it again
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2024-05-07 14:53:36	xecuter	hmmm why that was not in my mind? i will try
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2024-05-07 14:58:39	xecuter	i see... shorewall is broken -.-
2024-05-07 14:59:20	Khorne	What does that even mean?
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2024-05-07 14:59:51	xecuter	ufw is active. if i deactivate ufw. testing with: nc -zv myLANIP 55435 success. 
2024-05-07 15:00:21	xecuter	if ufw is active. connection refuse
2024-05-07 15:00:54	xecuter	now, first, i have to repair shorewall... and i just wanted try a retro game \o/
2024-05-07 15:02:15	Khorne	Just make a rule that allows access then? :D
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2024-05-07 15:03:32	teraflops	that is an outgoing connection from retroarch machine to a random server, are you blocking outgoing connections by default?
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2024-05-07 15:04:08	xecuter	Khorne: that i wanted to do in the shorewall config, but ... shorewall.service - Shorewall IPv4 firewall     Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/shorewall.service; disabled; preset: disabled)      Active: inactive (dead)
2024-05-07 15:04:39	Khorne	I mean..yes you said you use ufw now
2024-05-07 15:04:55	Khorne	I'm very confused by this interaction.
2024-05-07 15:04:58	xecuter	teraflops: yes, i wanted connect via internet to a friend
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2024-05-07 15:06:56	xecuter	Khorne: if ufw is installed, it is broke shorewall?
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2024-05-07 15:08:42	BrainDamage	running 2 firewalls at once is a recipe for problems
2024-05-07 15:08:50	BrainDamage	they both try to edit the same thing
2024-05-07 15:09:30	BrainDamage	they aren't standalone programs, they are interfaces for iptables/nftables in the kernel ( which is in turn an interface for the internal packet filter machine )
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2024-05-07 15:10:15	Khorne	Well, there aren't two running, shorewall is disabled
2024-05-07 15:10:21	xecuter	ahh shorewall IS disabled, so i just need disable ufw. but ... receive no header in retroarch..... perhaps the other computer is block the port(s)
2024-05-07 15:10:37	Khorne	tf are you on about
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2024-05-07 15:10:45	Khorne	Ah nevermind, good luck
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2024-05-07 15:11:20	xecuter	then my buddy have to check his network
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2024-05-07 16:33:32	Gnana	could not parse package description file 'monit-5.33.0-1/desc' from db 'extra' 
2024-05-07 16:33:52	Gnana	anyone having the same error on pacman -Syu 
2024-05-07 16:34:43	Gnana	i tried remving the pacman -Scc but i did not worked
2024-05-07 16:38:37	Scimmia	try force redownloading the databases with -Syyu. If that doesn't work, try it on a different mirror
2024-05-07 16:46:07	Scimmia	it is quite a rarity
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2024-05-07 17:06:56	driador	g'morning all.  silly question:  what's the _proper_ way to use/pin python?  I just updated the other day and one of those moves python to python 3.12, which (it appears) is more finicky with regex bindings?  Either way, it causes google-cloud-cli commands (which use python) to spit out a bunch of warnings.  Removing the python package of course also removes the /usr/bin/python link
2024-05-07 17:07:34	driador	Is there a way, other than manually changing the python symlink, to tell the system to use, say python 3.11?
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2024-05-07 17:08:42	driador	the wiki says to use pyenv, but that would appear to install things to _my_ home, much like nvm for node... and not utilize the python version installed from the aur
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2024-05-07 17:09:12	driador	s/says/suggests/
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2024-05-07 17:10:48	jelle	you can't just casually change /usr/bin/python
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2024-05-07 17:12:19	driador	kind of what I figured.. not the best way.  So, what _is_ the best way?
2024-05-07 17:12:57	driador	since all the google-cloud-cli utilities use a shell interpreter of /usr/bin/python (or env.. I can't recall)
2024-05-07 17:14:18	Scimmia	all to avoid warnings?
2024-05-07 17:15:22	another|	Where does google-cloud-cli come from?
2024-05-07 17:16:28	another|	did you rebuild it against 3.12?
2024-05-07 17:17:42	Auerhuhn	driador: I assume that by `google-cloud-cli`, you mean the AUR package. This means the packager meant these to run with system Python. It’s a good idea to leave it that way. If the warnings bother you, consider filing an upstream issue to make it compatible with Python 3.12 (example: https://github.com/evil-mad/ink_extensions/pull/18, an upstream patch I proposed). This is the recommended way.
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2024-05-07 17:20:08	Auerhuhn	driador: once you have proposed it upstream, you can ask the `google-cloud-cli` packager if they’re willing to use your patch as a stop-gap. (Example of such a stop-gap: https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/commit/?h=python-ink-extensions-git&id=81b69e6b5d1085356f07a205fef1699866528df2)
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2024-05-07 17:52:39	driador	another|: yes, I did rebuild against 3.12
2024-05-07 17:53:00	driador	Auerhuhn: ok, I will look into that, ty
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2024-05-07 17:53:16	driador	sorry all, I got called away on another issue and then missed your responses
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2024-05-07 17:54:01	driador	Scimmia: and yes, when you're working with google cloud most of the day and have 20 lines of warnings spit out for nearly every command, that gets old pretty quickly
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2024-05-07 18:47:19	feynhat	Hello. Did a recent update break bluetooth?
2024-05-07 18:48:45	feynhat	!paste
2024-05-07 18:48:45	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-05-07 18:49:54	gromit	feynhat: i dont know, does it work for you? 
2024-05-07 18:51:02	_xRichard__	hey im using zsh, how can i make my prompt reggae colored ?
2024-05-07 18:51:39	feynhat	Nope stopped working a week ago. I use bluetoothctl (from bluez-utils)
2024-05-07 18:51:45	feynhat	I am getting "No default controller available"
2024-05-07 18:52:06	gromit	feynhat: is there any error in dmesg? 
2024-05-07 18:52:11	feynhat	this is my status bluetooth.service: https://0x0.st/X8ZW.txt
2024-05-07 18:53:21	feynhat	There are a few errors in dmesg not sure if they are related to bluetooth
2024-05-07 18:54:33	gromit	feynhat: could you just share the dmesg output? 
2024-05-07 18:55:09	feynhat	https://0x0.st/X8ZJ.txt
2024-05-07 18:58:41	feynhat	That last line about btusb is probably because I just rmmod'ed and modprobe'd btusb
2024-05-07 19:01:59	espresso	_xRichard__: there are a few web refs like https://zsh.sourceforge.io/Doc/Release/Prompt-Expansion.html and different methods (like autoload color). I'm using basic %F{}/%F delimited colors. e.g. export PS1='%F{12}%n%f@%F{12}%m%f%F{118}%/%f $ '
2024-05-07 19:02:00	phrik	Title: zsh: 13 Prompt Expansion (at zsh.sourceforge.io)
2024-05-07 19:07:41	gromit	feynhat: hm, that looks alright 🤔 did you try with the LTS kernel already? 
2024-05-07 19:08:54	feynhat	Nope.
2024-05-07 19:10:10	feynhat	Should I?
2024-05-07 19:12:27	_xRichard__	espresso: export PS1="%F{green}%n%f@%F{yellow}%m%f %F{red}%~%f % "
2024-05-07 19:12:45	feynhat	Okay.
2024-05-07 19:12:53	llua	no need to export that variable
2024-05-07 19:12:59	_xRichard__	i executed this and nothing happened. my .zshrc from grml website its 4000 rows, i added at the 1st line still nothin
2024-05-07 19:13:02	feynhat	I don't think I have that kernel
2024-05-07 19:13:38	feynhat	So I install lts from pacman and run grub-mkconfig and I should see the other kernel in the grub bootloader?
2024-05-07 19:21:21	espresso	_xRichard__: nice, I'll try that :)  llua: indeed and somehow didn't occur to me
2024-05-07 19:22:29	_xRichard__	espresso: it didnt change :( i dont need special stuff for prompt, just colors. not for directory tho. how can i make it ?
2024-05-07 19:25:58	espresso	_xRichard__: works here. no-colors for directory: PS1="%F{green}%n%f@%F{yellow}%m%f %~ % "
2024-05-07 19:27:28	_xRichard__	espresso: i executed that from terminal with and without export, did not changed at all
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2024-05-07 19:30:11	feynhat	Switching kernel didn't help
2024-05-07 19:30:16	feynhat	I am on lts rn
2024-05-07 19:30:17	espresso	_xRichard__: I only autoload zkbd and compinit. But your terminal is capable of color? hm
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2024-05-07 19:30:37	susi__	have you tried setting it from the shell, not from the file?
2024-05-07 19:30:53	susi__	like, typing PS1=... in the shell and pressing enter
2024-05-07 19:32:04	_xRichard__	susi__: that was what im doing, gonna try to add the .zshrc the last one
2024-05-07 19:32:21	susi__	and what happened when you did that?
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2024-05-07 19:33:55	susi__	PS1=$'\e[0;31m$ \e[0m' should show you a red $
2024-05-07 19:34:14	_xRichard__	susi__: nothing, i tried to add with/without export and with both cases i typed in terminal w/wout export
2024-05-07 19:34:20	susi__	if no, maybe your terminal emulator has colors off
2024-05-07 19:34:40	_xRichard__	its kitty, but same in terminator too
2024-05-07 19:35:09	susi__	nothing happened? I don't believe it
2024-05-07 19:35:44	socksinspace	feynhat: bt works for me (on lts, no clue about stable)
2024-05-07 19:35:50	susi__	maybe lessen the omz crap load :-)
2024-05-07 19:35:50	_xRichard__	nothin, user@host ~ % with same colors
2024-05-07 19:36:05	teraflops	feynhat: do you do dual boot w/ windows?
2024-05-07 19:36:29	susi__	maybe your green is like that, and yellow is like that
2024-05-07 19:36:33	susi__	try some different colors
2024-05-07 19:36:40	feynhat	teraflops: Nope
2024-05-07 19:37:00	_xRichard__	susi__: u mean slow opening zsh ? so some conf in background blocking it ?
2024-05-07 19:37:13	teraflops	feynhat: rkill list shows anything blocked?
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2024-05-07 19:37:48	MrElendig	check the journal, bt loves to be unreliable
2024-05-07 19:38:29	_xRichard__	in .bashrc i have this PS1='[\u@\h \W]\$ '
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2024-05-07 19:38:41	feynhat	 0 wlan      asus-wlan      unblocked unblocked
2024-05-07 19:38:43	feynhat	 1 bluetooth asus-bluetooth unblocked unblocked
2024-05-07 19:38:45	feynhat	 2 wlan      phy0           unblocked unblockedyy
2024-05-07 19:38:51	teraflops	so it is there
2024-05-07 19:38:57	MrElendig	_xRichard__: echo $SHELL
2024-05-07 19:39:01	teraflops	and it's not blocked
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2024-05-07 19:39:12	susi__	_xRichard__: did you already try with different colors, not green and yellow?
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2024-05-07 19:39:43	teraflops	feynhat: is bluetooth.service running?
2024-05-07 19:39:44	susi__	if you already have the colors that are assigned to green and yellow shown there, then nothing should change when you re-set it... try something different if those colors you don't like
2024-05-07 19:40:13	MrElendig	anyway just get rid of the grml mess and write your own config
2024-05-07 19:40:18	MrElendig	all your problems will go away
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2024-05-07 19:40:53	MrElendig	and order matters, if you put PS1 as the first thing in your grml config, it will get overriden
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2024-05-07 19:41:32	teraflops	try some onliner to show actual colours
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2024-05-07 19:41:34	teraflops	for x in {0..8}; do for i in {30..37}; do for a in {40..47}; do echo -ne "\e[$x;$i;$a""m\\\e[$x;$i;$a""m\e[0;37;40m "; done; echo; done; done; echo ""
2024-05-07 19:42:17	_xRichard__	MrElendig: /usr/bin/zsh susi__: no but nothing changing, i tried with codes from net and from here;; .zshrc has color assignment teraflops: sorry i didnt get it ?
2024-05-07 19:42:42	susi__	_xRichard__: I still don't get yuor issue... did you try something other than yellow and green there, like red?
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2024-05-07 19:42:59	susi__	your issue seems to be that you don't like how green and yellow look like, or what?
2024-05-07 19:43:04	feynhat	teraflops: Yes
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2024-05-07 19:43:50	feynhat	I pasted the output of status bluetooth.service a while ago but my IRC client doesn't let me scroll up :/
2024-05-07 19:43:58	_xRichard__	susi__: yes i tried, no my problem is i cant change the colors. user(blue)@(white)host(white) ~ % 
2024-05-07 19:44:07	teraflops	feynhat: nah it's ok
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2024-05-07 19:44:19	MrElendig	feynhat: pgup works just fine in weechat
2024-05-07 19:44:31	susi__	_xRichard__: and when you type PS1=$'\e[0;31m$ \e[0m'  in the shell and press enter, what happens?
2024-05-07 19:45:04	feynhat	Hmm... it does but it only shows the message from the current session.
2024-05-07 19:45:14	teraflops	my mouse wheel worked on weechat
2024-05-07 19:45:15	feynhat	I had to quit when I changed the kernel.
2024-05-07 19:45:44	MrElendig	with mouse toggled on, indeed
2024-05-07 19:45:56	MrElendig	feynhat: logging is also enabled by default
2024-05-07 19:45:59	teraflops	so bluetooth service is running, dmesg shows it and rfkill list says it's there and it's not blcked
2024-05-07 19:46:10	teraflops	well that's odd
2024-05-07 19:46:17	MrElendig	post the full journald -b output
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2024-05-07 19:46:45	⚡ 	MrElendig wouldn't be surprised if just rebooting also fixes it
2024-05-07 19:46:59	MrElendig	I got one machine where bt will randomly not work every few boots
2024-05-07 19:47:29	golam71	now thats not normal
2024-05-07 19:47:39	_xRichard__	susi__: nothing, just new line \n
2024-05-07 19:47:48	MrElendig	for bluetooth its perfectly normal
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2024-05-07 19:48:02	feynhat	http://0x0.st/X8ZR.txt
2024-05-07 19:48:18	susi__	_xRichard__: maybe it's some grml shit then, dunno
2024-05-07 19:48:24	MrElendig	_xRichard__: get rid of your terribad grml config and they try again
2024-05-07 19:48:28	MrElendig	as I strongly hinted at
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2024-05-07 19:49:05	feynhat	MrElendig: But it worked perfectly on my machine for years.
2024-05-07 19:49:15	MrElendig	feynhat: so did it for me
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2024-05-07 19:49:43	MrElendig	kinda anyway, was borked in a slightly different way a couple of years ago
2024-05-07 19:50:04	MrElendig	(known bug with ax200 that was semi-fixed)
2024-05-07 19:50:32	susi__	_xRichard__: if you type PROMPT=$'\e[0;31m$ \e[0m' instead, and press enter, any change then?
2024-05-07 19:51:40	susi__	_xRichard__: and I mean typing in the shell, not in your config files
2024-05-07 19:51:54	MrElendig	grml might use a hook for prompt stuff which can mess wiht that
2024-05-07 19:52:05	_xRichard__	susi__: nope none, MrElendig: so u refer me to delete the .zshrc or ?
2024-05-07 19:52:16	MrElendig	_xRichard__: anything you got from grml
2024-05-07 19:52:18	_xRichard__	yeah its 4 thouns rows of code
2024-05-07 19:52:29	_xRichard__	thousands*
2024-05-07 19:52:34	teraflops	lol
2024-05-07 19:52:45	MrElendig	_xRichard__: which badly reimplements a lot of features zsh has built in
2024-05-07 19:53:01	susi__	why would anyone put anything they don't understand in their shell config... :E
2024-05-07 19:53:02	MrElendig	because its basically from 2004
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2024-05-07 19:53:32	MrElendig	same with omz though not quite as bad
2024-05-07 19:53:49	_xRichard__	for using grml in the net they refer to, and also in their website. i changed name for backup.
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2024-05-07 19:54:33	teraflops	my .zshrc is 25 lines :D
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2024-05-07 19:55:07	_xRichard__	PROMPT=$'\e[0;31m$ \e[0m' && PS1=$'\e[0;31m$ \e[0m'   &&  export PS1="%F{red}%n%f@%F{red}%m%f %~ % " && none of em worked for from shell. which one should i use for .zshrc ?
2024-05-07 19:55:43	MrElendig	mine is around 150 but a lot of that is formating
2024-05-07 19:56:20	_xRichard__	should i launch `zsh` or some zsh-new-config for smt ?
2024-05-07 19:56:22	susi__	my .zlogin .zprofile .zshenv .zlogout .zshrc .zshmisc .zshalias .zshbindkey are about 400 lines
2024-05-07 19:56:52	susi__	and then 700 lines of helper functions 
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2024-05-07 19:57:32	MrElendig	PS1='%(!.%F{red}.%F{green})%n%f@%M%\[%F{12}%~%f]%(!.%F{red}.%F{yellow})#%f '
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2024-05-07 19:58:02	_xRichard__	i messed with .zshenv and .zprofile too then deleted. alias ln for coloring the directorys will do for me. all i need a simple one. and some good helping kind. grml stuff or such
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2024-05-07 19:58:56	MrElendig	if you want a fancy prompt though, starship or similar is really the way to go
2024-05-07 19:59:01	_xRichard__	MrElendig: i pasted to .zshrc & source ~/.zshrc & re-open shell .. nope 
2024-05-07 19:59:29	fluix	hey, trying to compile a package and getting a whole bunch of /usr/lib/gcc/x86.../avx...h errors: http://0x0.st/X8ZF.txt
2024-05-07 19:59:52	_xRichard__	MrElendig: no no, a simple one like in install, launchables (chmod +x) green, directorys blue like this
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2024-05-07 20:00:19	MrElendig	fluix: building what from where?
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2024-05-07 20:00:40	fluix	this package https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/obs-ptz-controls with https://github.com/glikely/obs-ptz/blob/main/CMakeLists.txt#L113 changed to `find_package(SDL2 REQUIRED)` otherwise SDL2 isn't picked up
2024-05-07 20:00:42	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - obs-ptz-controls (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-05-07 20:00:48	fluix	and built with makepkg
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2024-05-07 20:01:13	MrElendig	check upstream bugtracker
2024-05-07 20:01:16	fluix	nothing
2024-05-07 20:01:39	fluix	but it looks like it's an SDL thing?
2024-05-07 20:01:39	MrElendig	poke the author then
2024-05-07 20:02:10	fluix	or an OBS thing? the actual errors don't come from the project's files
2024-05-07 20:02:18	MrElendig	and do test in a clean chroot first
2024-05-07 20:02:28	fluix	(or I'm misinterpreting, which is very possible and why I'm here)
2024-05-07 20:02:35	golam71	hmm
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2024-05-07 20:03:25	fluix	ok, so this isn't like a "gcc13 broke something something, do X to fix"; will give that a try
2024-05-07 20:03:40	MrElendig	my guess is some bundled stuff that messes it up
2024-05-07 20:04:19	demonicmaniac1	it does seem to be obs included simd headers redeclaring gcc builtins differently somehow from the txt
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2024-05-07 20:05:12	another|	simd everywhere apparently?
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2024-05-07 20:06:06	fluix	quick thing I can find is https://github.com/obsproject/obs-studio/issues/4012 but that's super old
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2024-05-07 20:11:14	feynhat	When I run bluemoon, I get Failed to open HCI user channel
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2024-05-07 20:16:24	feynhat	ehh... I give up for now.
2024-05-07 20:16:46	feynhat	Thanks for the help teraflops MrElendig 
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2024-05-07 20:17:16	dumbledoor	for flashing an iso to a usb stick, why does archwiki recommend using it's long form name like "/dev/disk/by-id/usb-Kingston_DataTraveler_2.0_408D5C1654FDB471E98BED5C-0:0" instead of just like "/dev/sdb"?
2024-05-07 20:17:26	dumbledoor	here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/USB_flash_installation_medium#Using_basic_command_line_utilities
2024-05-07 20:17:28	phrik	Title: USB flash installation medium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-07 20:17:36	Namarrgon	So that you don't accidently the wrong device.
2024-05-07 20:17:53	another|	safety
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2024-05-07 20:18:05	dumbledoor	is that the only reason?
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2024-05-07 20:18:17	Namarrgon	Yes.
2024-05-07 20:18:39	dumbledoor	oh, makes sense. thanks
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2024-05-07 20:22:42	astralc	fluix: it remind me some error I got in gentoo vm with a specific package
2024-05-07 20:23:04	astralc	when running "lscpu", do you have "avx2" in cpu flags
2024-05-07 20:23:06	astralc	?
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2024-05-07 20:25:18	ser	I was having a problem where the /bin scripts from python-docutils weren't working. I was installing different versions downloaded from the Arch archive with -U and bisecting to the package where it broke.
2024-05-07 20:25:46	ser	I regularly -Sy, but less frequently -Syu, so the last time Python had been updated was a couple of weeks ago.
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2024-05-07 20:26:13	ser	Bad on me; I should have done a full system upgrade before filing a ticket... but I'm trying to understand how this could happen.
2024-05-07 20:26:43	astralc	there was python update to python 3.12
2024-05-07 20:26:55	ser	There was no specific Python version dependency in python-docutils, so how could the modules have been installed somewhere other than where my current Python version was looking for them?
2024-05-07 20:27:09	astralc	so every python package was rebuild, and the modules have different path inside
2024-05-07 20:27:16	Namarrgon	The dependencies are not versioned.
2024-05-07 20:28:09	ser	Oh. Oh, so on the CI server, python-docutils was installed with Python-3.12 so got hard-coded installed into /.../python-3.12/
2024-05-07 20:28:41	astralc	what CI server?
2024-05-07 20:28:48	Namarrgon	If the CI is building in a clean environment, yes.
2024-05-07 20:29:04	ser	@astralc: wherever the python-docutils package was built.
2024-05-07 20:29:12	golam71	CI takes ur code and builds it for u automatically so that you can see if it works or not
2024-05-07 20:29:14	golam71	as in ur code
2024-05-07 20:29:19	golam71	builds or not
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2024-05-07 20:29:50	golam71	well of course u build it on ur machine first but the point is to see does it only work on ur machine btw or all machines btw*
2024-05-07 20:29:57	ser	Arch, the project, has some server that's building the .xz packages, yes?
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2024-05-07 20:30:11	ser	for things in extra, of course. Not AUR
2024-05-07 20:30:15	Namarrgon	Yes but maintainers can build them wherever they please.
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2024-05-07 20:30:27	Namarrgon	As long as it is a clean build.
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2024-05-07 20:30:48	ser	And, since this happens all the time, it's not reported in archnews, yah?
2024-05-07 20:31:15	Namarrgon	No, arch is a rolling-release distro, you'd be flooded with news every day.
2024-05-07 20:31:25	golam71	news is not that common tho
2024-05-07 20:31:28	astralc	and partial updates are not supported, you must -Syu
2024-05-07 20:31:43	Namarrgon	-S is fine, until you get 404s.
2024-05-07 20:31:58	Namarrgon	-Sy is not fine.
2024-05-07 20:31:58	ser	I usually -Sy individual packages.
2024-05-07 20:32:26	ser	Ooof. 
2024-05-07 20:32:52	another|	You're doing it wrong then
2024-05-07 20:32:54	MrElendig	!sos
2024-05-07 20:32:55	phrik	_Never_ -Sy when installing! https://gist.github.com/vodik/5660494
2024-05-07 20:33:26	ser	I thought it was the other way around. :shrug:
2024-05-07 20:33:42	ser	For years I've been doing this. This is the first time it's bitten me.
2024-05-07 20:34:02	golam71	phik this is life changin
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2024-05-07 20:34:14	ser	But, then, I Syu probably weekly on average, so I've been getting lucky.
2024-05-07 20:34:20	golam71	"he could once again go and troll /h/" - phrik
2024-05-07 20:34:23	teraflops	buy lottery
2024-05-07 20:35:24	ser	I'd do it daily if it weren't for the kernel upgrades and reboots. Isn't there some hot-swap kernel thing in the works?
2024-05-07 20:35:38	Namarrgon	Mo.
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2024-05-07 20:35:42	Namarrgon	*No.
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2024-05-07 20:35:55	ser	Anyway, that explains the python wierdness.
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2024-05-07 20:36:25	rmagno	hi, anyone here currently using Arch on a Macbook Pro with T2. (note that I've read https://wiki.t2linux.org/state/ but I still would like someone's first hand experience). I've been using Arch for many years now. But now I was thinking of getting a refurbished Macbook Pro from 2020.
2024-05-07 20:36:26	phrik	Title: Device Support and State of Features - t2linux wiki (at wiki.t2linux.org)
2024-05-07 20:36:28	ser	Everyone's rewriting everything in Rust, though, so eventually this will be a non-issue :-|  Statically compiled everything FTW
2024-05-07 20:37:36	Namarrgon	Yeah, right...
2024-05-07 20:37:42	ser	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_live_patching
2024-05-07 20:37:43	phrik	Title: Kernel live patching - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-07 20:38:26	ser	That'd have some effect on reducing required reboots, I hope.
2024-05-07 20:38:40	Namarrgon	Not for arch.
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2024-05-07 20:38:47	teraflops	rmagno: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Laptop/Apple
2024-05-07 20:38:50	phrik	Title: Laptop/Apple - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-07 20:38:50	ser	Why not?
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2024-05-07 20:38:58	teraflops	rmagno: the 2019 model there
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2024-05-07 20:39:24	Namarrgon	ser: Arch doesn't provide the patchs and you can't patch the whole kernel to the next release, only specific parts.
2024-05-07 20:39:24	ser	Namarrgon: Just out of spite?
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2024-05-07 20:40:11	ser	Wow. I didn't know this was a thing since 4.0
2024-05-07 20:40:14	ser	Holy moly.
2024-05-07 20:41:08	Namarrgon	ser: No, it's just not worth the effort.
2024-05-07 20:46:23	ser	Mainline kernels come out every couple of months; Arch updates the kernel, like, every few days.
2024-05-07 20:46:55	teraflops	reboot or holdplg kernel package
2024-05-07 20:47:01	teraflops	holdpkg
2024-05-07 20:47:07	ser	I mean, I've got surface knowledge about this, but those arch changes have to be patch-level, right?
2024-05-07 20:47:24	ser	teraflops: I did that on an earlier system.
2024-05-07 20:47:35	ser	It felt icky somehow.
2024-05-07 20:47:50	ser	But I might do it again.
2024-05-07 20:48:05	Namarrgon	ser: Arch does generally not patch packages. The updates you get are mostly for new upstream releases.
2024-05-07 20:49:10	Namarrgon	https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v6.x/
2024-05-07 20:49:11	phrik	Title: Index of /pub/linux/kernel/v6.x/ (at cdn.kernel.org)
2024-05-07 20:49:11	ser	Mainline? Those are released 9 or 10 weeks apart.
2024-05-07 20:49:19	demonicmaniac1	for kernel anyways - for other stuff it might be rebuilds against changed dep packages but you can pretty much see that on the arch build ver vs upstream 
2024-05-07 20:49:24	demonicmaniac1	ser: patchlevel
2024-05-07 20:49:25	Namarrgon	Arch does not package mainline releases.
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2024-05-07 20:51:53	ser	Yeeh, IIRC I stopped doing the kernel hold because I got myself in an insmod pickle one time, where some package got angry about the old kernel and I ended up having to boot a rescue USB.
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2024-05-07 20:53:00	ser	Huh. There's an Arch wiki on live patching. But it looks very manual, as you say. Very DIY.
2024-05-07 20:53:12	rmagno	teraflops, sorry, didn't get that. Do you have the MacBookPro16,1 2019 model with Arch? Or had? 
2024-05-07 20:53:13	demonicmaniac1	all klp implementations are really just - and never meant to be more than - hotfixes for security bugs. you can only replace stuff "not in use" or for "new requests" you do not replace the whole kernel or get new functionality
2024-05-07 20:53:18	demonicmaniac1	ser: ^
2024-05-07 20:53:47	demonicmaniac1	their whole reason for existence is "we can't take this system down right now because we don't have failover prepared so try this hotfix live patched"
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2024-05-07 20:54:23	teraflops	rmagno: apple silicon here, but the process looks pretty straightforward https://wiki.t2linux.org/distributions/arch/installation/ (linked from the wiki page)
2024-05-07 20:54:24	phrik	Title: Installation - t2linux wiki (at wiki.t2linux.org)
2024-05-07 20:54:30	ser	Stuff like this makes me wish Linus would have been more interested in Minix.
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2024-05-07 20:55:54	another|	for apple silicon you'd probably want to go with asahi on fedora
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2024-05-07 20:57:26	teraflops	yep, fedora is now the supported one
2024-05-07 20:57:36	rmagno	teraflops, cheers! I did read that. Looks straightforward indeed. Still, I wanted to hear first hand experience. To me, using anything other than Arch is not an option, I became very much used to it. So, nowadays, I just pick the hardware around Arch. :)
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2024-05-07 20:58:19	demonicmaniac1	ser: you can always gnu hurd instead
2024-05-07 20:58:53	rmagno	:)
2024-05-07 20:58:53	teraflops	rmagno: same here, I just bought a laptop to be able to use it, for $work I do macos
2024-05-07 20:59:11	ser	Arch on Hurd.
2024-05-07 20:59:19	teraflops	iirc there was a port?
2024-05-07 20:59:20	another|	aren't those macbooks arm64?
2024-05-07 20:59:24	teraflops	yep
2024-05-07 20:59:29	teraflops	armv9
2024-05-07 20:59:53	another|	Well, this is #archlinux which is x86_64 only
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2024-05-07 21:00:06	teraflops	another|: but the model they are asking for is intel
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2024-05-07 21:00:20	another|	That I do not know
2024-05-07 21:00:38	teraflops	t2 modesl are from 2018 to 2020 and they are intel based
2024-05-07 21:00:39	another|	which is why I asked
2024-05-07 21:00:42	rmagno	yeah, I was talking about intel macs, indeed.
2024-05-07 21:00:50	teraflops	yeah ;)
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2024-05-07 21:01:51	demonicmaniac1	but the t2 itself is armv8 :)
2024-05-07 21:01:57	demonicmaniac1	the security chip
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2024-05-07 21:03:54	teraflops	I cannot run asahi here becuase m3 is not supported yet, anyways I do not feel like running it even if supported 
2024-05-07 21:03:57	demonicmaniac1	weren't the last intel ones the ones with the useless touchbar thing?
2024-05-07 21:04:04	teraflops	yep
2024-05-07 21:04:21	teraflops	even the first m1 shipped the bar
2024-05-07 21:04:23	demonicmaniac1	the shit dell is now doing on their xps just even worse
2024-05-07 21:05:52	rmagno	but I think there were also models from that time without the touch bar, I think..
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2024-05-07 21:06:14	demonicmaniac1	probably might have been probooks of some size only
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2024-05-07 21:46:42	fluix	ended up hacking around my issue by just including gcc's headers instead of simde's
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2024-05-07 21:46:51	fluix	thanks for the help everyone :)
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2024-05-07 21:47:26	fluix	astralc: if you're still curious, I do have avx2
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2024-05-07 22:06:15	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1463 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1462 regular)
2024-05-07 22:06:15	chikuwasuka	aldcor: running the fans on max is perfectly safe, other than perhaps wearing them down a bit sooner, just annoying.
2024-05-07 22:06:17	demonicmaniac1	i knew 7zip added native a few years back didn't know p7zip was unmaintained tho huh
2024-05-07 22:06:21	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-05-07 22:06:34	aldcor	chikuwasuka: ok, what would trigger such a heat up tho?
2024-05-07 22:07:11	mpan	kode54: no idea, probably need to ask the maintainer if they would consider switching.
2024-05-07 22:07:16	kode54	probably
2024-05-07 22:07:31	mpan	For a long time 7zip had no official Linux support. But now it seems it has.
2024-05-07 22:07:32	kode54	should I email, or should I file an issue against packaging?
2024-05-07 22:07:42	demonicmaniac1	you haven't specified whether cpu or gpu temps are the problem and what the fan speeds are in windows
2024-05-07 22:07:43	chikuwasuka	aldcor: fan control is one of those things that can be pretty lacking in linux. it's possible your cpu isn't heating up more than in windows, just being cooled more aggressively.
2024-05-07 22:07:44	mpan	It’s very much possible the maintainer simply doesn’t know about the new version.
2024-05-07 22:07:50	kode54	maybe
2024-05-07 22:08:24	aldcor	demonicmaniac1: I can't tell that anymore as I don't have windows anymore and I never had heating issue with it
2024-05-07 22:08:26	kode54	AUR package provides a "7zz" binary, while Debian package also provides "7z" and "7za" in their upstream 7-Zip package
2024-05-07 22:09:08	demonicmaniac1	i wonder if there's any compatibility issues between p7zip and 7zip native - aside from the added codecs p7zip provides
2024-05-07 22:09:12	kode54	help output from both pz7ip and 7zz look nearly identical, though 7zz has more options
2024-05-07 22:09:32	kode54	hmm, let me check if it has those
2024-05-07 22:09:33	teraflops	aldcor: sensors command could give you a good glance of what is going on
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2024-05-07 22:09:58	demonicmaniac1	p7zip does have lz5 and zstd which 7zip didn't used to have at least
2024-05-07 22:10:17	aldcor	teraflops: oh good call.I should use it during gaming right?
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2024-05-07 22:10:55	kode54	hmm
2024-05-07 22:11:13	kode54	some distributions put "7zip" in nonfree because it includes unrar code
2024-05-07 22:11:33	mpan	But Arch already has unrar and it’s accepted, so…
2024-05-07 22:11:34	teraflops	aldcor: it shows actual temperatures and fan speeds https://paste.priet.us/ifxm/
2024-05-07 22:11:36	demonicmaniac1	p7zip also does tho
2024-05-07 22:11:38	kode54	ah yeah
2024-05-07 22:11:39	kode54	oh
2024-05-07 22:11:41	kode54	interesting
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2024-05-07 22:11:57	demonicmaniac1	Licenses        : LGPL  custom:unRAR
2024-05-07 22:12:00	kode54	I'll file a bug report against packaging to see if the maintainer knows about this
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2024-05-07 22:16:47	aldcor	cpu seems seems to be at normal temps but gpu is 75
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2024-05-07 22:19:32	teraflops	which GPU?
2024-05-07 22:20:06	aldcor	Nvidia 3080. In this test it max was 76 but I assume in longer session it goes higher than that
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2024-05-07 22:28:25	aldcor	how to check if all fans are working (via terminal) ?
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2024-05-07 22:29:11	teraflops	nvidia-settings/nvidia-smi I guess
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2024-05-07 22:32:47	teraflops	asus has a nice feture, it uses a kernel driver that exposes hardware so you can set i.e fan curves based on temperatures which is handy
2024-05-07 22:32:56	teraflops	feture/feature
2024-05-07 22:34:36	rodolfo	Hello there. There is a way to block any attempt to install a package like "IgnorePkg = electron". But not only a warning that can bem skip with Y/N. Something more strong like: "This package will not be installed". END?
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2024-05-07 22:35:21	aldcor	both gpu fans are working, just checked
2024-05-07 22:35:49	MrElendig	rodolfo: why do you want to do this?
2024-05-07 22:35:51	Namarrgon	rodolfo: What is the use-case for that?
2024-05-07 22:36:00	MrElendig	for electron it won't actually work
2024-05-07 22:36:04	MrElendig	(for long)
2024-05-07 22:36:29	rodolfo	To not forget to intoxicate my system with something like mono, electron, python2 and so on...
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2024-05-07 22:36:50	Namarrgon	Well, you are expected to pay attention during updates and installations.
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2024-05-07 22:37:20	chikuwasuka	alias pacman = 'pacman -Rnsc electron'
2024-05-07 22:37:28	rodolfo	Namarrgon: ok, then the answer is "there is no way"?
2024-05-07 22:37:59	rodolfo	chikuwasuka: nice
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2024-05-07 22:38:24	rodolfo	Namarrgon: a feature request
2024-05-07 22:38:36	Namarrgon	rodolfo: No, not currently.
2024-05-07 22:38:59	rodolfo	ok, tks
2024-05-07 22:39:31	chikuwasuka	i mean, you could host your own mirror and leave the packages you really don't want out of it... but that's definitely too much trouble.
2024-05-07 22:40:15	vikn	rodolfo: What 's wrong with Mono?
2024-05-07 22:40:22	aldcor	i guess my last option would be trying different driver
2024-05-07 22:40:58	teraflops	intoxicated mono
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2024-05-07 22:42:42	aldcor	this is newest for nvidia 3080, right? nvidia/550.78, 6.8.9-arch1-1, x86_64: installed
2024-05-07 22:43:00	rodolfo	chikuwasuka: a lot
2024-05-07 22:43:06	rodolfo	vikn: just an example
2024-05-07 22:43:51	teraflops	aldcor: yes that is the right package
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2024-05-07 22:44:16	aldcor	teraflops: does it make sense to try other driver? older?
2024-05-07 22:44:44	teraflops	you are using right driver
2024-05-07 22:45:28	chikuwasuka	i assume you're on desktop, in which case, yes, 550.78
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2024-05-07 22:46:08	aldcor	well.. then there is no solution so it seems
2024-05-07 22:46:10	teraflops	4070 on this laptop gets ~90C while playing starfield
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2024-05-07 22:46:37	aldcor	100 would be max? Would PC turn off then?
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2024-05-07 22:46:48	chikuwasuka	aldcor: undervolt? i don't know how green with envy works but you might be able to use it
2024-05-07 22:46:56	chikuwasuka	max for gpu is usually more like 85 or 88
2024-05-07 22:48:31	aldcor	i will look it up
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2024-05-07 22:55:29	aldcor	undervolting for nvidia on linux has almost no support
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2024-05-07 22:55:53	aldcor	although this looks like a right direction https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules/discussions/236
2024-05-07 22:56:20	teraflops	aldcor: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA/Tips_and_tricks
2024-05-07 22:56:22	phrik	Title: NVIDIA/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-07 22:58:04	demonicmaniac1	aldcor: what are the actual temps you are seeing and if you look up a review of your gpu model what are the fan rpm max they found there?
2024-05-07 22:58:20	aldcor	teraflops: Lowering GPU Boost Clocks section?
2024-05-07 22:58:26	teraflops	yep
2024-05-07 22:58:36	teraflops	and memory I guess
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2024-05-07 22:59:39	rodolfo	aldcor: just curiosity but, gpu peaked at 90 or maintained 90. And the cpu at the same level of behavior?
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2024-05-07 23:00:04	aldcor	demonicmaniac1: i see 76-80C during AAA gaming. This is not a case on Windows tho. Gpu heats up for no good reason on linux
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2024-05-07 23:00:28	demonicmaniac1	aldcor: wat. 80C is nothing if it's not a watercooled gpu
2024-05-07 23:00:31	aldcor	cpu seems to be in normal range all times
2024-05-07 23:00:38	teraflops	eh 80 is fine
2024-05-07 23:00:53	demonicmaniac1	a 4070 peaks at 110C from nvidia as tjunction
2024-05-07 23:01:04	demonicmaniac1	laptops just keep it cooler in general due to the tight packed other parts
2024-05-07 23:01:22	aldcor	whata.. gaming has become radiator replacement?
2024-05-07 23:01:41	rodolfo	kkkkkkkkkkkk
2024-05-07 23:01:54	demonicmaniac1	intel cpus have 105 to 115C tjunction for a few years
2024-05-07 23:02:19	demonicmaniac1	again - what's the exact model of gpu you have manufacturer wise and fans - look up a review online for expected behaviour
2024-05-07 23:02:43	demonicmaniac1	if you don't vsync to 60hz and aren't cpu limited then yes a 250+W gpu will put out 90C easily
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2024-05-07 23:02:51	aldcor	anyway, it seems like voltage draw still should be lower
2024-05-07 23:03:48	aldcor	for example will this be saved no reboot too? ` nvidia-smi --lock-gpu-clocks=0,1695 --mode=1 `
2024-05-07 23:03:55	aldcor	s/no/on/
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2024-05-07 23:04:59	teraflops	lot of thing to try on that wiki page
2024-05-07 23:05:05	teraflops	things^
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2024-05-07 23:05:26	aldcor	*final words*
2024-05-07 23:05:31	demonicmaniac1	you're better off limiting the board power than directly trying fixed low clocks
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2024-05-07 23:08:25	demonicmaniac1	or just enabling vsync in games/frame limiting
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2024-05-07 23:11:38	MrElendig	aldcor: note: temp != power usage
2024-05-07 23:12:06	MrElendig	aldcor: I have a crappy micro controller that will happily hit 100+c despite only drawing 1.5w max
2024-05-07 23:13:05	Earnestly	All the amps
2024-05-07 23:13:58	demonicmaniac1	MrElendig: that's quite an achievement making something without any heatspreader and so dense that it has no surface area for any heat dissipation
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2024-05-07 23:14:17	demonicmaniac1	or active heat insulation :P
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2024-05-07 23:16:35	MrElendig	demonicmaniac1: ceramic package and factory "overclocked" for maximum performance
2024-05-07 23:16:39	demonicmaniac1	i remember my old pre pentiums not having any fan, not even a passive heatsink on top of the die ^^ or my ps1 without a fan with like 4w
2024-05-07 23:16:49	MrElendig	+ made on a node from the 90's or something
2024-05-07 23:17:22	demonicmaniac1	technically older nodes mean less of that though since it's not as tightly packed so you have a larger area for dissipation
2024-05-07 23:17:24	MrElendig	100c is in an pretty small enclosure too, to be fair
2024-05-07 23:17:28	MrElendig	no heatsink
2024-05-07 23:17:45	demonicmaniac1	the tighter packed it is the hotter it gets for the same "watts"
2024-05-07 23:18:09	MrElendig	and as they said:
2024-05-07 23:18:12	MrElendig	no risc no fun
2024-05-07 23:18:15	MrElendig	-- motorola
2024-05-07 23:18:20	demonicmaniac1	:)
2024-05-07 23:18:26	MrElendig	they were kind of infamous for burning up
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2024-05-07 23:19:49	demonicmaniac1	trying to remember i think the first actively cooled thing i owned was a riva tnt2 with like a 40mm fan
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2024-05-07 23:20:13	MrElendig	can't remember the exact model, its some "modern" variant of the 88x
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2024-05-07 23:20:34	MrElendig	but stripped down
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2024-05-07 23:20:57	demonicmaniac1	i'm only familiar with the 68 series
2024-05-07 23:21:58	aldcor	could it be that sensors are wrong? instead of 76 I actually have 106?
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2024-05-07 23:22:50	teraflops	aldcor: you are overthinking this I think
2024-05-07 23:23:00	MrElendig	which sensor exactly are you looking at? tdie or tjunction?
2024-05-07 23:23:04	MrElendig	but really, its probably fine
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2024-05-07 23:24:01	teraflops	I can cook ribs in my 4070 mobile while playing AAA games and I'm ok with it ;)
2024-05-07 23:24:08	MrElendig	3080 will throttle at 95ish C iirc for the desktop parts
2024-05-07 23:24:56	aldcor	I wasn't really thinking about this until I started to play games on Linux. I don't recall gpu fans being so loud and top of pc case heat so much when I was playing games on Windows
2024-05-07 23:24:57	_256	I remember being surprised to learn that modern CPUs use more power than old ones. I assumed it was always the other way around with electronics.
2024-05-07 23:25:04	MrElendig	hm 93C apparently with stock bios
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2024-05-07 23:25:29	aldcor	fans going ~2.5k
2024-05-07 23:25:42	demonicmaniac1	_256: have to put it into perspective of performance tho
2024-05-07 23:26:05	demonicmaniac1	every nodeshrink is more power efficient but more performance/higher clocks require more power
2024-05-07 23:26:13	MrElendig	and is that with playing the exact same game at the exact same settings?
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2024-05-07 23:26:31	_256	Well, there's also Wirth's law.
2024-05-07 23:26:56	MrElendig	eh amd and intel are worse now
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2024-05-07 23:27:26	MrElendig	(when you take performance into the calculation)
2024-05-07 23:27:36	aldcor	MrElendig: this is playing almost any game 
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2024-05-07 23:28:43	demonicmaniac1	MrElendig: yeah was about to say that's fair. nvidia are more efficient but the 4090 OC takes the cake in absolute power consumption
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2024-05-07 23:29:36	MrElendig	demonicmaniac1: 7900xtx is only 50w behind though
2024-05-07 23:29:37	demonicmaniac1	NetSysFire: to be fair tho - the 14900ks unlocked draws about as much power as a 4090 non oc :P
2024-05-07 23:29:42	teraflops	demonicmaniac1: I have an macbook m3 max unbinned, I never saw anything that power hungry on apple silicon before, and it's more efficient supposedly
2024-05-07 23:29:43	aldcor	well, at least I can see it's stable 75/76 C. I guess it's fine then. I will lower fan rpm and check C then
2024-05-07 23:30:16	MrElendig	demonicmaniac1: specially on boards that does things they shouldn't do :p
2024-05-07 23:30:26	demonicmaniac1	teraflops: i mean... macs are actually dying a lot due to 115C tjunction set by apple for massive degradation on the mX max/ultra especially
2024-05-07 23:30:29	MrElendig	which intel is kind of mad about now
2024-05-07 23:30:36	MrElendig	due to all the fied 14900k's
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2024-05-07 23:30:49	demonicmaniac1	MrElendig: intel said it's all in spec it's their fault
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2024-05-07 23:31:24	demonicmaniac1	blaming the board partners is super silly when they clearly stated "it's all fine if they set any pl1/pl2/tau to anything they want on K the cpu will handle it"
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2024-05-07 23:32:20	aldcor	naaah, no way it should be this loud :D
2024-05-07 23:32:29	demonicmaniac1	teraflops: also the m2 max/ultra do 100W+ for the soc :) but granted that's a massive igpu
2024-05-07 23:32:53	aldcor	i will try nvidia-smi --lock-gpu-clocks after all
2024-05-07 23:33:07	teraflops	aldcor: maybe try to lower the tdp
2024-05-07 23:33:17	teraflops	it's in the wiki too
2024-05-07 23:33:52	demonicmaniac1	zen4 is fairly competitive efficiency and watt wise vs m2/3 max at least, doesn't have anything to compete with the ultra igp tho
2024-05-07 23:34:02	demonicmaniac1	laptop zen4 that is
2024-05-07 23:35:01	aldcor	i am not sure about numbers there.. teraflops any suggestion?
2024-05-07 23:35:21	teraflops	aldcor: not sure so I better not recommend anything
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2024-05-07 23:36:40	aldcor	i will try 210
2024-05-07 23:36:59	aldcor	*final words*
2024-05-07 23:37:58	aldcor	ok i see that it's original state was 370
2024-05-07 23:38:02	MrElendig	tdp limit is often better than clock limit as it lets the card boost higher for short workloads
2024-05-07 23:38:31	aldcor	yeah, tdp seems way better solution
2024-05-07 23:38:40	aldcor	ok, i will no start game again
2024-05-07 23:38:42	aldcor	now*
2024-05-07 23:38:44	MrElendig	so you can potentially get less performance spikes
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2024-05-07 23:39:03	MrElendig	or rather, latency spikes
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2024-05-07 23:42:26	demonicmaniac1	wait what 370? 3080 stock powerlimit is 320 i thought
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2024-05-07 23:43:56	MrElendig	lots of them ships factory oc'ed
2024-05-07 23:44:00	aldcor	Power limit for GPU 00000000:01:00.0 was set to 210.00 W from 370.00 W.
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2024-05-07 23:44:39	MrElendig	msi shipped some with >400w
2024-05-07 23:44:44	aldcor	however on 260 it is better performance. And i get expected result - quieter pc. Temps didn't reach even 60
2024-05-07 23:44:47	teraflops	lol mine is capped at 90W
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2024-05-07 23:45:01	teraflops	(laptop)
2024-05-07 23:45:13	aldcor	and you play AAA games?!
2024-05-07 23:45:22	teraflops	very well I have to say
2024-05-07 23:45:30	MrElendig	hmm, evga even did 450w
2024-05-07 23:45:34	ac_slater	guys please... I'm trying to create a docker image with archlinux. The first `pacman -Syyu --noconfirm` just hangs asking me to confirm. Is there another flag?
2024-05-07 23:45:53	demonicmaniac1	teraflops: laptop dgpus are all silly - a mobile 4070 can be configured - from nvidia officially - between 45w and 125w and there's nothing telling you which it is unless you read an indepth laptop review
2024-05-07 23:46:05	teraflops	yeah
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2024-05-07 23:46:27	MrElendig	ac_slater: yes
2024-05-07 23:46:46	ac_slater	MrElendig: hmm 
2024-05-07 23:46:50	ac_slater	MrElendig: hints ;)
2024-05-07 23:46:56	MrElendig	ac_slater: man yes
2024-05-07 23:47:00	MrElendig	:p
2024-05-07 23:47:05	ac_slater	ah I did that already, didn't seem to matter
2024-05-07 23:47:17	ac_slater	`yes | pacman -Syyu`
2024-05-07 23:47:19	MrElendig	ac_slater: what does it stop at though?
2024-05-07 23:47:20	ac_slater	still seems to hang
2024-05-07 23:47:41	ac_slater	MrElendig: :: Proceed with installation? [Y/n] 
2024-05-07 23:47:47	MrElendig	ac_slater: also buildah ftw
2024-05-07 23:48:00	MrElendig	sure noconfirm actually got passed in?
2024-05-07 23:48:33	MrElendig	also probably don't need -yy
2024-05-07 23:48:50	teraflops	ac_slater: is that the only command you are running?
2024-05-07 23:49:12	MrElendig	post the dockerfile assuming you are sing it
2024-05-07 23:49:17	MrElendig	using*
2024-05-07 23:49:19	ac_slater	thanks. I'm basically just running `RUN pacman -Syu --noconfirm` then `RUN pacman -S ...` 
2024-05-07 23:49:23	ac_slater	oh shit, it's working
2024-05-07 23:49:39	teraflops	maybe you are missing a \ if you have multiple lines
2024-05-07 23:49:40	ac_slater	sorry guys. There is no progress bar I guess in a `docker build` execution. 
2024-05-07 23:50:00	ac_slater	I just let it sit, then I saw it installing things. The while package download progress bars were present
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2024-05-07 23:50:16	ac_slater	some tty buffering issue or something
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2024-05-08 01:38:14	vmonteco	Correction: a dir in /mnt*
2024-05-08 01:50:38	tirnanog	vmonteco: you may. one thing to note is that file managers that are integrated with gvfs won't necessarily show filesytems mounted beneath /mnt other than by drilling to down into /mnt directly, but will if you specify "x-gvfs-show" as a mount option.
2024-05-08 01:51:37	tirnanog	I presume that's because some gvfs developer places a great deal of emphasis on the use of the word "temporary" in in the current version of the FHS spec.
2024-05-08 01:51:52	tirnanog	anyway, you can mount it wherever you like, within reason.
2024-05-08 01:53:40	kode54	can't wait to report this bug on the LKML or similar
2024-05-08 01:53:56	kode54	I have an 8852CE wifi adapter using the rtw89 driver
2024-05-08 01:54:28	kode54	and I had it randomly crash its firmware months ago, and that coincided with my OS freezing and the root volume NVMe drive hanging for a while
2024-05-08 02:47:31	kode54	“What is your rationale for replacing an unmaintained fork with upstream?”
2024-05-08 02:52:11	Scimmia	kode54: seems like a valid question 
2024-05-08 02:52:30	mpan	kode54: is this a literal quote from foutrelis or are you providing your own interpretation of what he said?
2024-05-08 02:53:33	mpan	It sounds like a sarcasm and people don’t usually use sarcasms, when they disagree with what sarcasm is meant to convey.
2024-05-08 02:54:45	Scimmia	The ticket is laughably short on actual information, someone asks for more and this is your response, kode54 ?
2024-05-08 02:58:14	⚡ 	mpan just noticed the FR. No response like that appears there. You asked for a move without providing any rationale. And now you act as if everybody was expected to read your mind (or fish it in #archlinux logs).
2024-05-08 03:00:13	kode54	I am clearly venting in the wrong place
2024-05-08 03:00:49	rinkydink	what is an FR, by the way?
2024-05-08 03:00:52	Scimmia	I saw the ticket and just dismissed it out of hand. Nothing worth anything there
2024-05-08 03:01:24	kode54	i’ll just make an aur package that adds 7z and 7za symlinks to 7zz and call it a day
2024-05-08 03:01:26	mpan	I would rather say you are clearly venting when not needed. Even I’m in support, when you mentioned the idea I was also unaware Pavlov started to offer Linux version. It’s only available since the last release.
2024-05-08 03:02:19	mpan	Most people are likely equally unware of this. So the reasoning behind your move is obscure.
2024-05-08 03:02:28	kode54	the Linux version is only a release old? I could swear it’s a year now
2024-05-08 03:03:04	mpan	kode54: June 2023. 10 months. And yes, it’s only the most recent stable release.
2024-05-08 03:03:44	mpan	I doubt many people in Linux environment regularly check news about what until now was Windows-only software.
2024-05-08 03:05:15	kode54	Huh
2024-05-08 03:05:20	kode54	the aur package is from 2021
2024-05-08 03:05:28	virtualsid	rinkydink: I'm assuming 'Feature request' for FR
2024-05-08 03:05:32	rinkydink	virtualsid: thanks.
2024-05-08 03:05:34	mpan	kode54: that was not stable.
2024-05-08 03:05:35	virtualsid	but I don't know either
2024-05-08 03:05:38	kode54	and I see one of the first things the maintainer did is drop p7zip replacement
2024-05-08 03:06:18	kode54	i only made a fuss because someone on fedi bugged about p7zip being a dead fork
2024-05-08 03:06:32	kode54	i should learn to stop caring about such thungs
2024-05-08 03:06:35	kode54	things
2024-05-08 03:06:42	kode54	wtf is wrong with my damn tablet
2024-05-08 03:07:28	kode54	i’ll close the issue
2024-05-08 03:08:23	mpan	kode54: this is not pointless fuss; I for once agree that Arch should move to 7zip now that upstream provides a Linux version and p7zip is no longer needed (and it’s also unmaintained). But to see it this way, one first must know about the situation. I doubt many do. Opening a FR is fine. Ridiculing the response was not.
2024-05-08 03:08:34	mpan	kode54: please do not close it.
2024-05-08 03:08:46	ectospasm	I recently found out goobook is unmaintained.  Only a matter of time before Google breaks it.  It already doesn't work with Python 3.12, but a 3.11 venv works well enough 
2024-05-08 03:09:27	mpan	ectospasm: somebody mentioned this today on #aot, I think. And they were still able to use it with venv.
2024-05-08 03:10:16	ectospasm	Yeah, that might have been me, that was a good 14
2024-05-08 03:10:22	mpan	oh
2024-05-08 03:10:22	ectospasm	Hours ago 
2024-05-08 03:10:41	kode54	Oops too late
2024-05-08 03:10:44	ectospasm	I woke up early this morning, too early 
2024-05-08 03:10:45	mpan	🤦
2024-05-08 03:10:56	kode54	i’ll stay out issues now
2024-05-08 03:11:37	mpan	kode54: seriously, please don’t turn it into drama. You did right opening it. The comments are about you then turning into ridiculing the response, missing perspective other people have.
2024-05-08 03:13:40	ectospasm	I wish the maintainers of old Python versions in the AUR would publish -bin versions, compiling it took way too long.
2024-05-08 03:14:11	ectospasm	It's not like they didn't have the binary version to use 
2024-05-08 03:14:46	ectospasm	Maybe this is better in #archlinux-aur
2024-05-08 03:14:57	ectospasm	Or on the forums 
2024-05-08 03:15:37	Scimmia	-bin versions are almost always upstream binaries 
2024-05-08 03:16:31	Scimmia	Not the same as a source build on Arch
2024-05-08 03:17:01	Scimmia	Sounds like you want a 3rd party repo
2024-05-08 03:17:03	rcf	I strongly recommend pyenv instead of trying to mess about with system python. 
2024-05-08 03:17:14	virtualsid	ectospasm: that's an interesting point - I did notice some confusing instructions on the Python packaging page for this aspect. Something about not using pypi, but you can use pythonprojects.com for the binaries. I wonder if it's easier to just not bother with the pythonprojects bit.
2024-05-08 03:17:45	virtualsid	rcf: that won't help for software that relies on python packaging though?
2024-05-08 03:18:03	virtualsid	I mean, other AURs that rely on python packages, e.g. pyinfra, ansible, etc?
2024-05-08 03:18:09	ectospasm	I built it, it's not a problem for me anymore, I was able to use it to make my venv
2024-05-08 03:18:12	virtualsid	(okay, not sure if ansible is an AUR)
2024-05-08 03:18:33	rcf	virtualsid: that software should either be updated, or not handled by the system package manager either. 
2024-05-08 03:18:46	virtualsid	hmm?
2024-05-08 03:19:22	virtualsid	okay, ansible is in extra. and has a lot of python package dependencies. I'm not too sure what you're saying now.
2024-05-08 03:19:38	rcf	If it's in extra, it can work with system python as-is. 
2024-05-08 03:19:59	virtualsid	but if it was in AUR, how are you saying it should be done?
2024-05-08 03:20:25	virtualsid	e.g. pyinfra is in AUR at the moment, but it could at some stage, go into extra, right?
2024-05-08 03:21:42	virtualsid	also, I entirely missed the point. ectospasm was talking about python versions. not python packages. d'oh.
2024-05-08 03:21:43	rcf	Not if it can't handle system python it won't. 
2024-05-08 03:22:00	virtualsid	now I see what you're saying :)
2024-05-08 03:33:40	kode54	Sorry everyone
2024-05-08 03:34:10	kode54	I let myself feel inadequate again
2024-05-08 04:33:17	Codebecile	I have an electron app that tries to autofill a password when launched- however, it doesn't autolaunch, and I get this error:
2024-05-08 04:33:21	Codebecile	Error contacting klauncher to start kwalletd
2024-05-08 04:34:01	Codebecile	Running he program with the flag --password-store=kwallet5 allows it to save passwords. How do I fix this permanently?
2024-05-08 04:42:59	Scimmia	Codebecile: see https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/discord/-/issues/4 for examples
2024-05-08 04:43:00	phrik	Title: [Feature Request] Support `discord-flags.conf` (#4) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / discord · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-08 05:08:36	arch-nemesis	Anybody use wayfire? I just gave it a try and I'm loving the beryl/compiz throwback. Rotating windows, rediculous.
2024-05-08 05:11:28	arch-nemesis	I haven't really used any of the wayland compositor/window-managers yet, I'm just rolling through some of them and trying them out. I think that's my favorite so far
2024-05-08 05:13:32	kode54	arch-nemesis: I hate the window switcher, though
2024-05-08 05:15:00	arch-nemesis	Yeah, that's definitely a little lacking. And wm-panel is also pretty bleh. But wobbly windows again.
2024-05-08 05:18:55	arch-nemesis	The cube as well, but personally I think that's pretty unusable. Back in 2007 or whatever, I think the only thing I ever used the cube for was convincing windows users to try linux.
2024-05-08 05:38:24	ponies	you should use Hyprland, that will make you look like a man in front of the children
2024-05-08 05:45:59	Gnana	ponies: what you recommend?
2024-05-08 05:58:37	Trel	is there a way to search the arch repo from command line for whatever the current version of something is without doing a sync or at least without doing one that will persist after the search?
2024-05-08 06:00:31	virtualsid	Trel: you mean like pacman -Si <package> or pacman -Ss <search term> ??
2024-05-08 06:01:29	virtualsid	unless you do '-y' in combination with '-S', it won't refresh the package lists
2024-05-08 06:01:40	virtualsid	(I think)
2024-05-08 06:01:43	Trel	But the search is against live data, right?
2024-05-08 06:01:55	Trel	not the local list that -y updates?
2024-05-08 06:02:07	virtualsid	the search is against your local package files
2024-05-08 06:02:14	virtualsid	repo files? whatever the term is
2024-05-08 06:02:45	Trel	So then I'm not sure that would work?
2024-05-08 06:03:36	virtualsid	oh, so you want it to connect to the internet, to get a live view of what is there? I misunderstood, clearly.
2024-05-08 06:04:12	Trel	Basically I want what it would show me if I did 'pacman -Sy && pacman -Si <package>' but then afterwards to NOT be like I did 'pacman -Sy'
2024-05-08 06:04:36	virtualsid	hrrm.
2024-05-08 06:04:37	Trel	Not from command line I can just search the repo online, but I'm trying to find a way to do it from CLI if possible
2024-05-08 06:05:24	virtualsid	not saying this is how you do it, but if you did it in a VM, to see what the outcome was, it would be good enough?
2024-05-08 06:05:36	virtualsid	a dry-run would be a good thing - not sure it exists... checking.
2024-05-08 06:07:25	virtualsid	there's a '-p' (print) option, but you'd still have to update the sync databases I believe
2024-05-08 06:08:33	virtualsid	Trel: why btw?
2024-05-08 06:12:35	rcf	Trel: checkupdates might be able to do that
2024-05-08 06:12:47	rcf	?wtf is checkupdates
2024-05-08 06:12:48	@EMIYA	rcf: extra/pacman-contrib 1.10.5-1 (/usr/bin/checkupdates)
2024-05-08 06:16:38	virtualsid	nice, thanks rcf - that one is new to me :)
2024-05-08 06:17:02	rcf	-Sy without the -Sy
2024-05-08 06:18:18	ponies	Gnana: i recommend sway only because all the rest are #bloat. but that of course, is my opinion
2024-05-08 06:29:58	Trel	virtualsid: To see for example if a certain version is available yet.  It definitely wasn't when I did the last sync.
2024-05-08 06:30:42	Trel	rcf: I don't see that when I search
2024-05-08 06:31:05	rcf	Trel: ah, it can only check for installed packages indeed
2024-05-08 06:31:19	Trel	https://archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&q=checkupdates&maintainer=&flagged=  I don't see it in general
2024-05-08 06:31:22	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2024-05-08 06:31:55	rcf	Trel: See EMIYA’s output earlier
2024-05-08 06:33:50	Scimmia	Trel: you would have to set the db path to search
2024-05-08 06:34:22	ponies	Trel: any particular reason why you want to -Si the package after you know it's updated? generally, the information there stays the same... generally
2024-05-08 06:35:14	Scimmia	Or really, this is Arch, just update
2024-05-08 06:36:06	ponies	well really, checkupdates i a complete and safe solution to the first part of his question. and the second part may be redundant
2024-05-08 06:47:37	virtualsid	Trel: oh. Hmm. I thought it was more production oriented, and you didn't want to touch the system pacman databases. With that use case, no harm in '-Sy' and '-Si', other than network traffic?
2024-05-08 06:48:09	Trel	virtualsid: doesn't that leave me in a state where it's not safe to use -S without a full update?
2024-05-08 06:49:08	kode54	ponies: I sort of recommend labwc over sway if your desire is a floating window desktop instead of tiled
2024-05-08 06:49:21	kode54	I know sway can be coerced into doing purely floating windows, but it's not really an ideal setup
2024-05-08 06:49:49	kode54	then again, I missed what they said they wanted, so maybe they wanted tiled
2024-05-08 06:50:03	kode54	Steam is annoying me tonight
2024-05-08 06:50:12	kode54	they just rolled the beta client to stable
2024-05-08 06:50:22	kode54	and now stable client doesn't observe Xft.dpi
2024-05-08 06:50:30	kode54	so it's fixed 100% scale
2024-05-08 06:50:59	edu4rdshl	Trel, that's correct. It leaves you in a state of porential partial upgrades
2024-05-08 06:51:56	Trel	which is what I'm trying to avoid
2024-05-08 06:52:45	virtualsid	wait, how? You're just updating the sync database, not the actual packages?
2024-05-08 06:52:55	kode54	oh of course
2024-05-08 06:53:05	kode54	they only pay attention to their own variable now
2024-05-08 06:53:07	kode54	STEAM_FORCE_DESKTOPUI_SCALING=2
2024-05-08 06:53:17	Trel	virtualsid: If I then say 'pacman -S vim' AFTER I do the -Sy...
2024-05-08 06:53:41	Trel	or worse, a library
2024-05-08 06:53:48	virtualsid	okay, what does that do? :/ I've never done that in this sort of situation
2024-05-08 06:54:00	virtualsid	I'm clearly too new to Arch/pacman to suggest things here, I think!
2024-05-08 06:54:08	Trel	It'll install the latest one not synced with the rest of my installed packages
2024-05-08 06:54:35	virtualsid	okay. I must admit, I've never done pacman -S <package>
2024-05-08 06:54:48	virtualsid	What use case would that be for?
2024-05-08 06:55:13	virtualsid	I thought the recommendation/support case was pacman -Syu <package>?
2024-05-08 06:56:19	Trel	That's a full system update
2024-05-08 06:57:08	edu4rdshl	virtualsid, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/system_maintenance#Partial_upgrades_are_unsupported
2024-05-08 06:57:10	phrik	Title: System maintenance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-08 06:57:39	Dworin	The only situation I'm aware of where pacman -Syu would not be safe is if you touch a mirror while it's in the process of syncing. Which should be very rare. AFAIK everything else should be considered a bug.
2024-05-08 06:58:01	edu4rdshl	Dworin, nobody is talking about -Syu being unsafe
2024-05-08 06:58:23	Dworin	yes, I think I'm just not understanding what trel is trying to achieve.
2024-05-08 06:58:40	virtualsid	edu4rdshl: oh, good. I sort of understood that part at least.
2024-05-08 06:58:43	Trel	I want to see what the latest version of a package available is WITHOUT doing a sync
2024-05-08 06:58:45	Trel	from command line
2024-05-08 06:59:10	virtualsid	yeah, that's not a bad use case in itself. Maybe you'll have to resort to curl and grep?
2024-05-08 06:59:31	edu4rdshl	Just `checkupdates`, as mentioned before
2024-05-08 06:59:41	edu4rdshl	At least, for installed packages
2024-05-08 06:59:42	virtualsid	that only works for installed packages, edu4rdshl 
2024-05-08 07:00:00	virtualsid	sorry, I was clearly too slow/too fast, depending on point of view :)
2024-05-08 07:00:12	Dworin	why do you need it, trel?
2024-05-08 07:00:57	Trel	edu4rdshl: As I said, I don't see checkupdate in the repos at all
2024-05-08 07:01:05	Trel	Dworin: That was the reason
2024-05-08 07:01:21	edu4rdshl	?wtf checkupdates
2024-05-08 07:01:22	@EMIYA	edu4rdshl: extra/pacman-contrib 1.10.5-1 (/usr/bin/checkupdates)
2024-05-08 07:01:33	edu4rdshl	It's indeed in the repos. Install pacman-contrib :)
2024-05-08 07:01:41	Dworin	I mean, why do you want to see what the latest version of a package is from the command line.
2024-05-08 07:02:01	edu4rdshl	Next time: `pacman -Fy checkupdates` or whatever file you're looking for
2024-05-08 07:02:09	virtualsid	guessing game here: waiting for a bug fix?
2024-05-08 07:02:38	Trel	Before I do a sync and remove my ability to install packages without rebooting, I'd like to know if the version I want is even available yet.
2024-05-08 07:03:30	demonicmaniac1	huh?
2024-05-08 07:03:45	Dworin	I imagine this happens very infrequently and would personally just look at the website and be done with it. But that's just me.
2024-05-08 07:03:54	edu4rdshl	And finally, you can just `check_repo_version() { tmpdir=$(mktemp -d) && pacman -Sy --dbpath $tmpdir && pacman -Si $1 --dbpath $tmpdir }`
2024-05-08 07:04:04	edu4rdshl	And then check_repo_version $package
2024-05-08 07:04:38	edu4rdshl	Or just set the --dbpath to something else, like a persistent directory and just point to it when you want to check for packages
2024-05-08 07:04:43	demonicmaniac1	Trel: can you explain that "remove my ability to install packages without rebooting" part? you don't ever NEED to reboot
2024-05-08 07:05:04	Dworin	after updating linux if you want to dynamically load modules
2024-05-08 07:05:08	Trel	I do if the kernel modules that haven't been loaded yet get removed from my system because there was a kernel update
2024-05-08 07:05:24	Trel	And I don't always want to DO an update when I search
2024-05-08 07:05:24	edu4rdshl	There's kernel-modules-hook
2024-05-08 07:05:26	edu4rdshl	:)
2024-05-08 07:05:32	edu4rdshl	Trel, you dont need to
2024-05-08 07:05:38	Trel	if I want to install anything I do
2024-05-08 07:05:47	Trel	which wouldn't be the case if I didn't do the sync
2024-05-08 07:05:57	virtualsid	I'm so confused now. I'm just going to read :)
2024-05-08 07:06:01	edu4rdshl	You don't need to sync before installing something too.
2024-05-08 07:06:02	Trel	Ok let me give an example
2024-05-08 07:06:41	Trel	I want to see the current version of calibre, so I do `pacman -Sy && pacman -Si calibre`.
2024-05-08 07:06:47	Trel	I do not want to update, just see the version.
2024-05-08 07:06:57	demonicmaniac1	as edu4rdshl said there's a hook or you can pacman -U and anything -dkms will be rebuilt again for the "old" kernel. just do an syu again before rebooting to get dkms rebuilt for the new kernel
2024-05-08 07:07:04	Trel	Now I want to install vim, is it safe for me to do `pacman -S vim` at this point?
2024-05-08 07:07:10	demonicmaniac1	no
2024-05-08 07:07:11	edu4rdshl	Use --dbpath, Trel 
2024-05-08 07:07:15	Trel	demonicmaniac1: Exactly
2024-05-08 07:07:19	edu4rdshl	I already gave you a solution you ignored
2024-05-08 07:07:30	Trel	edu4rdshl: I'm not seeing it?
2024-05-08 07:07:32	demonicmaniac1	but as edu4rdshl said you can have a seperate dbpath
2024-05-08 07:07:48	edu4rdshl	Trel, literally read my previous messages :)
2024-05-08 07:07:56	edu4rdshl	I even gave you a bash function for it...
2024-05-08 07:08:09	virtualsid	at hh:03:54, unless you're in a 30 minute offset timezone
2024-05-08 07:08:21	Trel	I'm not, and I see it now, checking it out
2024-05-08 07:08:49	virtualsid	edu4rdshl: that will keep the tmpdir around?
2024-05-08 07:09:09	Trel	the --dbpath option should work just fine, I can do it manually, it's not a frequent process.
2024-05-08 07:09:12	edu4rdshl	virtualsid, yeah, that's why I added a note on the next message
2024-05-08 07:09:26	virtualsid	oh, I missed it. d'oh
2024-05-08 07:09:28	virtualsid	slick
2024-05-08 07:09:43	virtualsid	an actual solution :-D
2024-05-08 07:10:09	demonicmaniac1	i'd just surfraw archpkg pkgname :)
2024-05-08 07:10:15	demonicmaniac1	with elinks/links/whatever
2024-05-08 07:10:34	rcf	That’s what I do 
2024-05-08 07:10:51	virtualsid	I just -Syu and hope for the best
2024-05-08 07:11:16	virtualsid	Isn't that why we use Arch? :P
2024-05-08 07:11:53	edu4rdshl	I personally would do: create a directory on something like `/var/cache/pacmantmp` and then always point --dbpath to it when I want to do that specific operation. That way you don't waste mirrors bandwidth with a temp repo on each query
2024-05-08 07:12:17	edu4rdshl	And use an alias as before. Faster than going using a browser :p
2024-05-08 07:12:39	virtualsid	ooh, is it faster to curl a specific package url, or faster to sync the database? :P
2024-05-08 07:12:40	edu4rdshl	And you can query multiple packages at time
2024-05-08 07:12:55	virtualsid	^^ okay, that might make it win
2024-05-08 07:13:17	edu4rdshl	virtualsid, once the db is synced you can query X number of packages without curl'ing each one
2024-05-08 07:13:28	edu4rdshl	And the db sync is really fast
2024-05-08 07:14:07	demonicmaniac1	that depends on your bandwidth :)
2024-05-08 07:14:16	demonicmaniac1	dbs have gotten pretty massive
2024-05-08 07:15:26	virtualsid	49M sync database size on my system... probably bigger than a few curl requests
2024-05-08 07:15:45	virtualsid	no idea if they do partial syncs?
2024-05-08 07:16:01	edu4rdshl	They do
2024-05-08 07:16:33	edu4rdshl	And the "49 MB" is the uncompressed size
2024-05-08 07:17:44	Peppi	hello
2024-05-08 07:18:07	Peppi	have a bit of a technical question
2024-05-08 07:18:19	Peppi	https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/kpipewire/ 
2024-05-08 07:18:21	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - kpipewire 6.0.4-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2024-05-08 07:19:30	virtualsid	this whole conversation has made me realise how little I know of pacman. I follow the instructions, but don't fully understand the 'why'. something to add to the reading queue :P
2024-05-08 07:20:02	Peppi	I'm using that version. But there is a "bug" that has been fixed and merged: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kpipewire/-/merge_requests/135
2024-05-08 07:20:03	edu4rdshl	You'll get used over time :)
2024-05-08 07:20:03	phrik	Title: Filter out DRM modifiers that indicate a DCC format can be used on AMD (!135) · Merge requests · Plasma / KPipeWire · GitLab (at invent.kde.org)
2024-05-08 07:20:45	Peppi	how can I use this merged version of KPipeWire? 
2024-05-08 07:21:30	edu4rdshl	You can patch it on your local PKGBUILD and build/install it
2024-05-08 07:22:54	Peppi	edu4rdshl, cool, is there like somewhere I can read how to do that generally? 
2024-05-08 07:24:52	edu4rdshl	Peppi, download the patch from the MR and use something like it: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/poco/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads#L23
2024-05-08 07:24:53	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / poco · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-08 07:26:28	Peppi	hmm damn ok thanks :)
2024-05-08 07:27:20	edu4rdshl	It's really easy, just get https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kpipewire/-/merge_requests/135.patch, then add the prepare() to patch your local build and that's it
2024-05-08 07:30:57	virtualsid	"It's really very easy" Says the person who sneezed out a bash function earlier.
2024-05-08 07:31:07	Peppi	well no... uhmm don't kill me... I'm on Fedora 
2024-05-08 07:31:15	virtualsid	but honestly, Peppi - they're wrong... oh. hahahahahahahahaha
2024-05-08 07:31:26	virtualsid	*they're not wrong. I meant to say
2024-05-08 07:31:41	Peppi	lol all good
2024-05-08 07:32:32	virtualsid	Asking how to do it for another distro is definitely off topic for this channel though, Peppi - maybe #linux...?
2024-05-08 07:33:30	Peppi	yes... I was hoping there was more of a generic answer :)
2024-05-08 08:00:25	edu4rdshl	virtualsid, and you don't know that I exit vim with: `:let script=['#define _POSIX_SOURCE', '#include <signal.h>', '', "int main() {", "  kill(" . getpid() . ", SIGKILL);", '  return 0;', '}'] | call writefile(script, '/tmp/exit_vim.c', 'b') | execute "!gcc /tmp/exit_vim.c -o /tmp/exit_vim" | execute "! /tmp/exit_vim"`
2024-05-08 08:00:29	edu4rdshl	:p
2024-05-08 08:08:10	virtualsid	sorry, my eyes just fell out of my sockets and rolled under the desk
2024-05-08 08:38:54	grawity	edu4rdshl: lol that reminded me of
2024-05-08 08:38:57	grawity	https://social.treehouse.systems/@refi64@refi64.social/112391539757311951
2024-05-08 08:38:59	phrik	Title: Treehouse Mastodon (at social.treehouse.systems)
2024-05-08 08:42:49	virtualsid	grawity: w.t.f. is that.
2024-05-08 08:45:12	ponies	seems like something i would do 
2024-05-08 08:46:26	ponies	idk what the trampoline is though
2024-05-08 08:48:11	grawity	function whose only job is to jump to another function (with intent of being patched at runtime to potentially point to a different function)
2024-05-08 08:48:23	edu4rdshl	k
2024-05-08 09:05:35	kode54	why the hell does a compositor need to do that
2024-05-08 09:15:44	bluetail	When I need more storage, should I pair a 20TB HDD with a 4TB NVMe cache, using a LVM Setup?
2024-05-08 09:15:49	bluetail	for my OS disk
2024-05-08 09:16:17	bluetail	my ~/ becomes fairly large, too.
2024-05-08 09:16:28	bluetail	or rather $HOME
2024-05-08 09:20:33	bluetail	I could of course also use my raid array, but this would no more be purely internal.
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2024-05-08 13:51:40	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-08 11:45:45	Foxboron	intelfx: fwiw, newgidmap and newuidmap are non-SUID binaries on Arch
2024-05-08 11:45:50	Foxboron	I don't recall why this works off hand
2024-05-08 11:46:24	Foxboron	I suspect it is because we require people to set this up properly....?
2024-05-08 11:52:16	gromit	Foxboron: Maybe I'm in the completly wrong ballpark here, but does this maybe have to do something with the way we setup shadow? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Podman#Migration_for_users_created_prior_to_shadow_4.11.1-3
2024-05-08 11:52:17	phrik	Title: Podman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-08 11:52:38	Foxboron	gromit: No
2024-05-08 11:52:42	Foxboron	Orrr wait
2024-05-08 11:53:12	Foxboron	gromit: I don't recall. I suspect the reason we could turn this off is because dvzrv fixed this in shadow
2024-05-08 11:53:48	Foxboron	gromit: (this metacommentary from an LWN post btw)
2024-05-08 11:57:05	Foxboron	gromit: ah no
2024-05-08 11:57:31	Foxboron	gromit: they have cap_setuid instead of sticky bit
2024-05-08 11:58:35	Foxboron	of course they do
2024-05-08 12:47:15	centrix	Is it possible to limit resources via systemd (cgroups2) for a group of users?
2024-05-08 12:50:54	Foxboron	centrix: Not for a group I think, but you can add resource control on the UID slice of the users
2024-05-08 12:52:24	centrix	Foxboron, That would mean defining each user the same config.
2024-05-08 12:52:52	centrix	Which would also affect UID < 1000. Aka irregular users.
2024-05-08 12:53:23	Foxboron	You can also overwrite pr uid
2024-05-08 12:54:45	centrix	My scenario is: I have a bunch of users whose UIDs come from AD. They access the box via Rstudio Workbench. You may say, limit the Workbench service. Yes.
2024-05-08 12:55:24	Foxboron	I suspect this question is better suited for the systemd IRC channel or the matrix channel really
2024-05-08 12:55:42	Foxboron	I would add service overrides to all the given UIDs
2024-05-08 12:55:49	Foxboron	but I'm not sure if there are a more elegant solution
2024-05-08 12:56:58	centrix	Foxboron, there was. Using cgroups v1. But some other boxes are housing RHEL9. And the distro does NOT provide necessary SW as RHEL7 did.
2024-05-08 12:57:21	centrix	So what is common? Cgroups 2 in these days.
2024-05-08 12:57:34	centrix	Let me ask the systemd team.
2024-05-08 12:57:37	Foxboron	centrix: Right, but then I still think this is the wrong channel for the question
2024-05-08 12:57:47	Foxboron	Since is very systemd specific
2024-05-08 12:57:54	centrix	Thanks for your notes.
2024-05-08 12:57:58	Foxboron	No worries!
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2024-05-08 14:02:13	ecraven	I have a brother printer, I'd like to automatically configure its https certificate every two months via letsencrypt. does anyone here know whether there is some sort of API for this, or whether I'd have to do this manually every two months via the web interface?
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2024-05-08 14:05:09	virtualsid	ecraven: I have two brother printers, but I've not needed to install a letsencrypt cert on them every 90 days (or whatever). No idea if it's possible, but, I presume 'yes', even if that means writing something to use the web ui and click buttons, etc. I'm mostly curious 'why' though?
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2024-05-08 14:07:18	virtualsid	have you already put a letsencrypt cert on the printer? If so, I'm curious to know how - but I'll do a search first :)
2024-05-08 14:07:45	ecraven	virtualsid: I'd like the web interface to be usable without accepting the self-signed cert ;)
2024-05-08 14:07:51	ecraven	no other good reason.
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2024-05-08 14:08:06	ecraven	it is only accessible on the internal network, not from the internet.
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2024-05-08 14:09:05	virtualsid	sensible ;)
2024-05-08 14:09:30	virtualsid	and I get that the ssl error is annoying. Wish there was a way to more easily say "I don't care for this local device to not have a proper cert"
2024-05-08 14:09:50	ecraven	well, ideally they could all easily *get* actual certs.. but that's the other universe, not this one :P
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2024-05-08 14:11:19	virtualsid	Fwiw, I couldn't find anything easily. Everything seemed to be web UI based. So you'd have to do the DNS based challenge, and copy the cert over manually. I honestly wouldn't bother, considering how often I go to the web UI
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2024-05-08 14:14:05	ecraven	yea, I'd have to fix this with some automation of the web ui, which I don't want ;)
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2024-05-08 14:15:30	virtualsid	heh
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2024-05-08 14:17:40	ecraven	can they do this?
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2024-05-08 14:19:02	virtualsid	also, I'm an idiot. I have one brother printer, the other is epson. The other brother device is a network scanner.
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2024-05-08 14:19:23	virtualsid	I use home assistant to track ink levels, etc. of the brother and the Epson
2024-05-08 14:19:40	ecraven	ah, I'll add that ;)
2024-05-08 14:19:47	Ingar	my HP printer joined the landfill and I'll never ever buy HP
2024-05-08 14:19:58	Ingar	again
2024-05-08 14:20:27	virtualsid	Ingar: oh.. :( ink? or laser? I have an old 2200dtn in the garage, that I'm loath to get rid of. I had it for ~20 years. Great at black and white.
2024-05-08 14:21:13	Ingar	virtualsid: it was an inkjet. only used official HP ink. died within the year. I've been runnign an epson for several years now (and only use cheap no-name brand ink)
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2024-05-08 14:31:56	virtualsid	gah, those stupid ink cartridges :( the epson we have is one of those tank ones. Only had it about 2 months now
2024-05-08 14:31:56	virtualsid	If you can splash a bit extra cash, from our short time owning it, I would, so far, recommend the Epson ecotank we have - ET-2850
2024-05-08 14:31:56	virtualsid	drivers nowadays seem to be a non requirement.
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2024-05-08 14:31:56	virtualsid	I don't know if that was serious or a weird joke that I didn't get (driver, car?). I actually don't know. I hit 'print' on firefox, and it works :P
2024-05-08 14:31:56	virtualsid	I probably had to do some minor setup, but I'm struggling to remember what.
2024-05-08 14:31:56	virtualsid	lemme see if there's anything 'epson' on this laptop
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2024-05-08 14:31:56	virtualsid	damn. I can't remember how I set it up, but I don't see any epson packages installed on my (arch) laptop
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2024-05-08 14:31:56	virtualsid	ah, yes, I had to do just one line. I do have 'cups-pdf' installed. My line was: lpadmin -p epson -E -v "ipp://10.1.1.14/ipp/print" -m everywhere
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2024-05-08 14:31:56	virtualsid	I followed https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/CUPS#
2024-05-08 14:31:56	phrik	Title: CUPS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-08 14:31:56	virtualsid	(I got the IP because I set a static DHCP on pi.hole)
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2024-05-08 14:31:56	virtualsid	no problem, and yeah. I assume if you don't have a network printer, you might need extra.
2024-05-08 14:31:56	virtualsid	I don't enjoy faffing with printer stuff. And because I had a HP for such a long time, I may have accidentally stumbled upon having the good drivers.
2024-05-08 14:31:56	virtualsid	mingdao: I don't mean for you, I meant for others, who might get USB ones
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2024-05-08 14:35:29	virtualsid	I hate it when my wife prints from the phone :P Because then she complains 20% of the time that the page didn't come out like she expected :P
2024-05-08 14:36:06	virtualsid	ahhh!
2024-05-08 14:37:41	virtualsid	so my driver is 'everywhere' which means 'IPP Everywhere'. The other option might be AirPrint, I think?
2024-05-08 14:37:57	virtualsid	oh, no. 'everywhere' is for both IPP and AirPrint
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2024-05-08 14:42:40	krumelmonster	On X, what is thing called where moving the mouse to the edge of one screen makes it appear on the other screen? I'm looking for a way to disable it
2024-05-08 14:43:04	nathan	mouse wrap?
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2024-05-08 14:46:09	MacGyver	Anyone got a Thinkpad T14s and know what the microSD-card slot shows up as?
2024-05-08 14:46:12	teraflops	krumelmonster: lock mouse to one monitor?
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2024-05-08 14:46:31	MacGyver	It looks like a combined microSD and SIM card tray so I'm somewhat scared it might not show up at all, but maybe...
2024-05-08 14:49:48	krumelmonster	teraflops: Not exactly; I use i3 and I still want to be able to switch monitors by switching workspaces
2024-05-08 14:51:32	astralc	edge resistence?
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2024-05-08 14:56:08	krumelmonster	hmmm, search doesn't turn out great. There is https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=255214 but no shared border leads to an "invisible" screen area to be introduced. Best I can get is mouse wrap only happening in a corner if screens only touch in a corner
2024-05-08 14:56:08	phrik	Title: Prevent mouse from moving between monitors / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-05-08 14:56:35	krumelmonster	XCreateMouseVoid doesn't look like a super clean solution so I'm just giving up on it.
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2024-05-08 14:59:25	phrik	Title: i3: i3 User’s Guide (at i3wm.org)
2024-05-08 14:59:45	phrik	Title: i3: i3 User’s Guide (at i3wm.org)
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2024-05-08 15:22:41	MacGyver	jelle: Didn't you have a T14?
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2024-05-08 15:24:01	MacGyver	Hmm, it's probably part of the WWAN card that's never going to see a linux driver.
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2024-05-08 15:29:45	jelle	MacGyver: I have a t14s gen1 
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2024-05-08 15:29:54	jelle	oh right I also have a amd t14 :-)
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2024-05-08 15:31:55	MacGyver	jelle: Well, if you have an AMD T14s gen1, then it's the same I got.
2024-05-08 15:32:10	jelle	no, I don't have that one AMD t14 gen1
2024-05-08 15:32:21	MacGyver	jelle: Does yours come with a microSD slot in the back (combined tray with a SIM), and if so, does it show up as anything?
2024-05-08 15:32:25	MacGyver	Oh, okay.
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2024-05-08 15:32:33	jelle	MacGyver: my AMD does, but can't check atm
2024-05-08 15:33:06	jelle	(really never remember using that feature)
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2024-05-08 15:34:21	Namarrgon	The AMD t14s gen 1 page on the wiki the smartcard reader should work.
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2024-05-08 15:34:33	Namarrgon	*claims that the
2024-05-08 15:35:24	demonicmaniac1	hm does my E have an sdcard slot..
2024-05-08 15:35:45	demonicmaniac1	nope
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2024-05-08 15:39:30	carpenter	the ARM architecture is on the march so why doesn't Ach Linux support it?
2024-05-08 15:39:51	MacGyver	Because we never have.
2024-05-08 15:40:08	MacGyver	And supporting multiple architectures is not trivial.
2024-05-08 15:40:18	MacGyver	Even 32-bit x86 support was dropped.
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2024-05-08 15:40:34	carpenter	many other distros support multiple architectures
2024-05-08 15:40:38	MacGyver	There's talk about building the infrastructure to start supporting it.
2024-05-08 15:40:43	MacGyver	But don't expect that any time soon.
2024-05-08 15:40:51	BrainDamage	feel free to volunteer to help
2024-05-08 15:40:52	MacGyver	So? That's not in conflict with anything I said.
2024-05-08 15:41:02	teraflops	other distributions have more manpower
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2024-05-08 15:41:21	carpenter	is it a matter of cost?
2024-05-08 15:41:29	Namarrgon	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/rfcs/-/merge_requests/32
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2024-05-08 15:41:30	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Ports (!32) · Merge requests · Arch Linux / RFCs · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-08 15:41:33	Scimmia	ARM has been a total mess as well as far as bootloader, kernels, etc
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2024-05-08 15:41:39	demonicmaniac1	wha Scimmia said
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2024-05-08 15:42:08	demonicmaniac1	unless you only support mainline and armv8 which is like 5% of hw out there it's a fucking shithole still. and alarm is a thing
2024-05-08 15:42:32	jelle	except that alarm isn't really a thing to rely on
2024-05-08 15:42:46	jelle	it's not exactly stable
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2024-05-08 15:43:26	carpenter	mainline and armv8 would be fine
2024-05-08 15:44:01	demonicmaniac1	and alarm for the 10000 different base images for boards with weird kinks/no mainline
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2024-05-08 15:44:14	Namarrgon	"mainline"?
2024-05-08 15:44:33	gromit	Some devices work with just the mainline kernel
2024-05-08 15:44:35	jelle	Namarrgon: default kernel, no vendor kernel
2024-05-08 15:44:40	demonicmaniac1	Namarrgon: as in upstream kernel not downstream BSP custom kernel plus custom image since no normal bootloader
2024-05-08 15:44:56	Namarrgon	Yeah, i didn't see the kernel reference.
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2024-05-08 15:44:59	jelle	tbh the real interest is the client
2024-05-08 15:45:10	jelle	s/client/cloud/
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2024-05-08 15:46:48	carpenter	I bet there are countless millions of mac-users who would love to be able to boot arch linux or their machines
2024-05-08 15:47:33	Scimmia	I think you're grossly overestimating mac-users' interest in Arch
2024-05-08 15:47:37	jelle	carpenter: requires a custom kernel
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2024-05-08 15:49:01	carpenter	Scimmia, that includes arch-based distros :)
2024-05-08 15:49:06	demonicmaniac1	and doesn't work on m3 unless i'm out of date
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2024-05-08 15:49:21	jelle	indeed
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2024-05-08 15:49:34	teraflops	demonicmaniac1: it doesn't
2024-05-08 15:49:39	jelle	I mean, they work they do is still magnificient
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2024-05-08 15:50:29	demonicmaniac1	oh absolutely
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2024-05-08 15:51:19	teraflops	there is Snapdragon X Elite for laptops that looks pretty promissing
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2024-05-08 15:51:57	carpenter	https://www.anandtech.com/show/21388/asus-to-unveil-qualcomm-snapdragon-x-elite-based-ai-pc-laptop-
2024-05-08 15:51:57	socksinspace	also, i would say, compared to what some vendors ship as a bsp kernel, asahi is basically mainline ;)
2024-05-08 15:51:58	phrik	Title: ASUS to Unveil First Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite-Based Laptop On May 20th (at www.anandtech.com)
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2024-05-08 15:52:20	demonicmaniac1	teraflops: i mean.. imma just direct you to look at the snapdragon 3 and 4 arm windows laptop announcements and how they posted geekbenches on par with intel and amd ahead of time without tdp data
2024-05-08 15:52:33	demonicmaniac1	teraflops: then they release and aren't even 1/3 of an amd zen1 in perf at still 20w
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2024-05-08 15:52:50	demonicmaniac1	unless i see an actual test of the hw i am not gonna believe jack shit with their history of bullshittery
2024-05-08 15:53:05	teraflops	time to wait I guess
2024-05-08 15:53:15	jelle	socksinspace: sure, but the asahi project does not recommend running mainline
2024-05-08 15:53:17	demonicmaniac1	yup. i'll be happy to be positively surprised
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2024-05-08 15:54:28	demonicmaniac1	teraflops: also i think it was 6.8 that mostly lets snapdragon gen3 from 2021 work with mainline now :P
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2024-05-08 15:54:38	demonicmaniac1	not sure if external displays work by now
2024-05-08 15:54:55	jelle	iirc ubuntu is working on that thinkpad x13?
2024-05-08 15:55:03	jelle	then again they have an amazing oem kernel
2024-05-08 15:55:19	socksinspace	not fully offical, but yes, you can install it from what i have heard
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2024-05-08 15:55:56	socksinspace	didn't quite get it good enough for 24.04 apparently
2024-05-08 15:56:12	jelle	carpenter: anyway we need people to work on tooling and then we can have aarch64
2024-05-08 15:56:13	demonicmaniac1	jelle: With the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 on Linux 6.8 there is working display, USB-C, USB / PCIe / Bluetooth, CPU frequency scaling, suspend/resume and even crypto accelerator support. But still a work-in-progress is audio support, DP Alt-Mode, enabling the DSPs, USB-C power delivery, and GPU acceleration.
2024-05-08 15:56:32	jelle	working resume before audio :oi
2024-05-08 15:56:58	demonicmaniac1	so yeah oem kernels
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2024-05-08 15:57:44	socksinspace	i hope that that work on the x13s gives the newer chips a headstart, since qcom like re-using hardware as much as anyone else
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2024-05-08 16:00:21	demonicmaniac1	i mean to put it in perspective - the 8xc gen 3 is around 1/4th of an apple m1 base in the air
2024-05-08 16:00:31	demonicmaniac1	in performance - but identical in power
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2024-05-08 16:05:30	intelfx	given that, is there any chance that snapdragon x elite will actually be competitive?
2024-05-08 16:06:35	teraflops	intelfx: they say so :)
2024-05-08 16:07:30	demonicmaniac1	i have doubts but as always wait for actual third party independent reviews
2024-05-08 16:07:45	demonicmaniac1	never trust any vendor claims
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2024-05-08 16:57:03	tcox_78	Hello
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2024-05-08 17:01:03	tcox_78	Anyone here run plasma?  I'm having a strange issue.  When I login it loads, then it will go back to the login and I have to alt-ctrl-f2 to get back to logged in session
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2024-05-08 17:04:42	tcox_78	I only have one screen attached to my gpu, so I'm not sure why it seems to be automatically swapping workspaces like this
2024-05-08 17:06:05	MacGyver	It's not swapping "workspaces".
2024-05-08 17:06:16	MacGyver	What you're describing implies it's swapping TTYs.
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2024-05-08 17:06:40	MacGyver	Or VTs or whatever the correct term is.
2024-05-08 17:06:41	tcox_78	yeah, my bad, it is swapping TTYs
2024-05-08 17:07:01	MacGyver	Since you're apparently starting plasma on 2, I wonder if this is some kind of race condition.
2024-05-08 17:07:10	MacGyver	If you *don't* login at all.
2024-05-08 17:07:20	MacGyver	Does it still swap to another one initially?
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2024-05-08 17:09:30	tcox_78	it only seems to happen right after I initially login with sddm, loads up plasma, then shortly after goes back to the login, where I have to use alt-ctrl-f2 and it goes back to my DE.  just sitting on the login screen it just seems to sit there
2024-05-08 17:10:10	tcox_78	it kills my network connection and makes me change my sound sink also when i swap back
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2024-05-08 17:14:14	tcox_78	I'm going to reboot and check which TTY sddm is initially loading, haven't thought to check that
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2024-05-08 17:22:01	tcox_78	ok, it is loading on TTY1, and is swapping to TTY2
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2024-05-08 17:22:32	MacGyver	What does it show on TTY2 when it swaps to it?
2024-05-08 17:24:09	tcox_78	it shows the normal text TTY when i swapped from the login screen
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2024-05-08 17:24:30	MacGyver	I wonder if it's starting a getty and that that's making it switch.
2024-05-08 17:25:11	MacGyver	And that might be something that your login process in plasma is accidentally set to do.
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2024-05-08 17:31:23	tcox_78	Hmm, I just installed it according to the wiki, so not sure why I seem to be having this issue.
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2024-05-08 17:32:44	sos666	i'm on plasma and graphical starts on 2 also
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2024-05-08 17:35:32	tcox_78	shouldn't the login be on 2 to begin with?
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2024-05-08 17:37:09	tcox_78	it seems like mine is starting on 1 when it should be on 2, and swapping to 2 then back to 1
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2024-05-08 17:38:24	gwentpl	Maybe something to do with SDDM? https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/1409 But it should be fixed because SDDM-greeter wayland is merged
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2024-05-08 17:44:24	tcox_78	Hmm, does kinda sound like the issue though.  as it does stay on tty1 and it for whatever reason is swapping automatically back to it once it is logged after a short time
2024-05-08 17:45:25	tcox_78	also when i try to restart it just blanks my screen and goes black, I then have to goto tty1 where when i click restart it will, but not until then
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2024-05-08 17:52:18	tcox_78	I might have found the solution, going to reboot and see
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2024-05-08 17:56:24	tcox_78	nope that didn't change anything.. added 10-wayland.conf to sddm config
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2024-05-08 18:23:24	esd	can someone help out, for some reason I can't connect to any quakenet server, ∙ connection to server failed (io error: No route to host (os error 65))
2024-05-08 18:23:47	esd	works fine via webchat, but on irc client I keep getting this os error 65
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2024-05-08 18:27:08	Donatzsky	!paste
2024-05-08 18:27:08	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-05-08 18:27:34	Namarrgon	esd: Which OS and irc client is that?
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2024-05-08 18:31:01	esd	Namarrgon: halloy on this pc
2024-05-08 18:31:05	esd	mac*
2024-05-08 18:31:49	Namarrgon	So it's not related to arch?
2024-05-08 18:32:11	esd	not at this very moment :D 
2024-05-08 18:32:29	Namarrgon	Then ask in a channel that supports your OS.
2024-05-08 18:33:10	esd	wwell arch is one of my OS-es and I can't connect to qnet on that pc either, same client
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2024-05-08 18:33:53	Namarrgon	Come back when you can provide logs from running that client on arch.
2024-05-08 18:34:07	esd	:thumbsup:
2024-05-08 18:34:11	Murray7501	can you stop killing xorg in the middle of a pacman -Syu :p
2024-05-08 18:34:41	Namarrgon	In the middle of the -Syu or at the end, when the hooks are running?
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2024-05-08 18:35:05	Murray7501	Namarrgon: I guess its when the hooks are running
2024-05-08 18:35:40	Murray7501	screen went black and I could not get cli access
2024-05-08 18:36:17	Murray7501	I logged in via ssh with my laptop and had a look before rebooting
2024-05-08 18:37:12	Namarrgon	Is this this first time it happened?
2024-05-08 18:37:19	Murray7501	nope
2024-05-08 18:37:27	Namarrgon	You can create /etc/systemd/do-not-udevadm-trigger-on-update to skip the udev trigger/settle step. See if that helps.
2024-05-08 18:37:44	Murray7501	thanks Namarrgon :)
2024-05-08 18:38:02	Namarrgon	Do you have an nvidia gpu?
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2024-05-08 18:38:56	Murray7501	Namarrgon: yes
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2024-05-08 18:40:21	Murray7501	Namarrgon: I have 2 actually one I used to do vga passthrough to windows in qemu
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2024-05-08 18:40:45	Murray7501	use*
2024-05-08 18:41:39	tcox_78	Thank you for the help, I think I figured out the issue now, I removed the X11-rootless.conf and now with the 10-wayland.conf instead all seems to be working as expected!
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2024-05-08 18:44:23	tcox_78	Simply added a config that i didn't need, doh
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2024-05-08 19:14:32	aldcor	hey hackers! I plugged my headset (and mic which is connected to headset) to a front of PC case (both audio and mic jacks) but I got no sound coming out (sound is working on regular speakers). I also see mic signal going in. I use pavucontrol to monitor this. In configuration tab I tried almost all possible variations between GA102 High definition audio controller and build in audio profiles. 
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2024-05-08 19:15:09	aldcor	headset is fine, it work on windows machine
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2024-05-08 19:16:29	aldcor	i will try ports on the back of pc, however, front should've worked
2024-05-08 19:16:34	aldcor	lets see
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2024-05-08 19:19:12	aldcor	yap, it works
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2024-05-08 19:24:39	aldcor	false alarm, all good
2024-05-08 19:25:02	aldcor	still gotta figure out mic recording with ffmpeg
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2024-05-08 19:52:48	Brottweiler	Anyone using lxqt-runner? It behaves strange for me. It ignored any settings, starts in in the top left corner (with margin) when it should start top middle, and it doesn't suggest any desktop entries. Only commands, and only when I type the full command.
2024-05-08 19:52:57	Brottweiler	I am using it standalone I should say, not within LXQt...
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2024-05-08 19:59:19	Brottweiler	!paste
2024-05-08 19:59:19	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-05-08 20:00:03	Brottweiler	I _am_ getting some errors, though. https://bpa.st/raw/XIKQ
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2024-05-08 20:19:08	Strykar	latest nvidia update makes everything steam related feel smoother, nice!
2024-05-08 20:19:45	Strykar	in wayland i.e.
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2024-05-08 20:24:26	vmonteco	Hello ! I messed up my arch installation (again). Grub doesn't seem run and my BIOS keeps prompting me for a disk to boot from. I guess that *could* (could it?) be the fact that I let more gap that the default 2048 when creating my boot partition. Anyway, I guess I may have to redo my boot partition and I was wondering : in such case, could I just erase it and it's content and reinstall grub in
2024-05-08 20:24:26	vmonteco	the 
2024-05-08 20:24:32	vmonteco	new one? (I mean: I wouldn't need to pacstrap base/linux/linux-firmware again?)
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2024-05-08 20:41:06	dvzrv	Foxboron: we use capabilities instead of setuid: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/shadow/-/blob/e8ce898b2b59739cea8e8e5a94cf9e2993f26a0a/PKGBUILD#L95 (but that has been like this for quite some time already)
2024-05-08 20:41:07	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · e8ce898b2b59739cea8e8e5a94cf9e2993f26a0a · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / shadow · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-08 20:49:33	dvzrv	Foxboron: the subuid/subgid working out of the box is not that old though. that was in part a shadow modification for login.defs but also us adding the respective files to the filesystem package: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/filesystem/-/commit/4bea53131fdc61d86769d796ace90485acd52e8b
2024-05-08 20:49:35	phrik	Title: add privacy url in os-release (FS#75700) (4bea5313) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / filesystem · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-08 20:55:09	dvzrv	hmm, us using capababilities is actually only a year old. oh well, time
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2024-05-08 20:58:48	novns	hello, new gcc!
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2024-05-08 21:56:05	semeion	How to fix this error running pacman -Syu?  https://dpaste.com/6TZWME5L9
2024-05-08 21:56:07	phrik	Title: dpaste: 6TZWME5L9 (at dpaste.com)
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2024-05-08 21:57:12	mpan	semeion: hello. What is gcc12? It’s not among the official packages. Not in AUR either.
2024-05-08 21:57:47	semeion	mpan: i have no idea, how can i see what is it?
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2024-05-08 21:58:38	gog	https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/gcc12/ it used to be evidently
2024-05-08 21:58:46	mpan	semeion: `pacman -Qi gcc12`, but that wouldn’t really answer the question. I can guess what it contains. What I ask about is how it got there and why.
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2024-05-08 21:59:43	mpan	Yes, it may be this. But the question is really about how/why, not strictly about the contents (what). :)
2024-05-08 22:00:36	semeion	mpan: https://dpaste.com/BSPGFUN2T
2024-05-08 22:00:37	phrik	Title: dpaste: BSPGFUN2T (at dpaste.com)
2024-05-08 22:00:38	mpan	Of course the answer could be “just remove it”, but that may be not the right response.
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2024-05-08 22:01:09	mpan	semeion: the thing I want to know is how it got there and why did you install it.
2024-05-08 22:01:34	semeion	mpan: yeah, i understand, but i don´t remember :(
2024-05-08 22:01:41	semeion	let me think wait
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2024-05-08 22:01:52	gog	pacman -Qi will tell you if it was installed explicitly or as a dependency
2024-05-08 22:01:56	mpan	gog: also, you may also check this: <https://archive.archlinux.org/packages/g/gcc12/>.
2024-05-08 22:01:57	phrik	Title: Index of /packages/g/gcc12/ (at archive.archlinux.org)
2024-05-08 22:02:08	mpan	semeion: /var/log/pacman.log
2024-05-08 22:02:46	mpan	gog: (for future, if you need to investigate a similar situation)
2024-05-08 22:02:47	gog	i ahve it in extra?
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2024-05-08 22:02:50	Warepire	It does say installed as a dependency, but has currently nothing depending on it.
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2024-05-08 22:03:14	wyre	hi guys, can't I build nvidia-470xx-dkms for new kernel revision? https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nvidia-470xx-dkms#comment-971624
2024-05-08 22:03:15	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - nvidia-470xx-utils (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-05-08 22:03:47	gog	ok it was removed very recently because after -Syy it's not
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2024-05-08 22:05:20	mpan	semeion: what really is needed here, is: if you installed it because it’s actually needed by something you use, or is this a lingering orphaned dependency that can be removed without issues.
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2024-05-08 22:05:49	semeion	mpan: well, i really don´t remember, but i think i have installed it because i was installing something from AUR and it asked me for gcc12
2024-05-08 22:05:54	semeion	mpan: https://dpaste.com/2RP8UN6QA
2024-05-08 22:05:54	mpan	semeion: if it’s the latter, you can simply remove it. If not… knowing the installation reason may help you know, if you need it.
2024-05-08 22:05:55	phrik	Title: dpaste: 2RP8UN6QA (at dpaste.com)
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2024-05-08 22:06:29	mpan	(please stand by)
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2024-05-08 22:08:02	semeion	i don´t care if something old will break
2024-05-08 22:08:16	mpan	semeion: ok, try `pacman -Rsn gcc12`.
2024-05-08 22:08:32	semeion	if it isn´t in official repo i can break, i don´t care
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2024-05-08 22:08:45	semeion	ok
2024-05-08 22:08:46	mpan	No, nothing official is going to break.
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2024-05-08 22:09:24	mpan	If your own packages (e.g. built based on AUR) had valid PKGBUILDs, neither should they.
2024-05-08 22:09:44	semeion	yeah, it is working now
2024-05-08 22:09:58	semeion	mpan: thank you :D
2024-05-08 22:09:59	mpan	semeion: also, see the output of: pacman -Qdt
2024-05-08 22:10:08	mpan	This will list orphaned dependencies.
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2024-05-08 22:10:23	semeion	hmmm ok
2024-05-08 22:11:08	mpan	You may wish to see, if you don’t have more such packages. Do not remove them blindly either, but consider if you need them.
2024-05-08 22:11:35	semeion	okay
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2024-05-08 22:13:50	semeion	yeah the system got updated, let me run that pacman -Qdt command to see what it show
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2024-05-08 22:14:44	semeion	wow it show alot of cracp, let me post on dpaste
2024-05-08 22:15:13	mpan	semeion: no need for pasting, I believe. It’s up to you to look through them and decide, what you need.
2024-05-08 22:15:30	semeion	okay
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2024-05-08 22:16:03	semeion	mpan: well, the system is updated, thank you bro, i will restart the PC
2024-05-08 22:16:09	mpan	gl&hf
2024-05-08 22:16:12	mpan	Or maybe not have fun. ;)
2024-05-08 22:16:12	semeion	brb
2024-05-08 22:16:17	semeion	hahaha
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2024-05-08 22:19:09	semeion	mpan: the system is working like a charm, thanks again :D
2024-05-08 22:19:41	gog	that's my way of doing things. fix the problem and pray you don't break something else
2024-05-08 22:19:46	gog	just like every day at work
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2024-05-08 22:21:32	wyre	why can't I install nvidia 470xx even for linux-lts kernel? 
2024-05-08 22:21:57	wyre	https://bpa.st/FDXA
2024-05-08 22:21:58	phrik	Title: View paste FDXA (at bpa.st)
2024-05-08 22:22:44	wyre	what happened in the last revision? 
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2024-05-08 22:23:27	Warepire	wyre: Post the logs pointed to by the error message. Those are the logs that contain something someone might be able to use to help
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2024-05-08 22:25:25	wyre	Warepire, https://bpa.st/KVBQ
2024-05-08 22:25:25	phrik	Title: View paste KVBQ (at bpa.st)
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2024-05-08 22:28:28	chikuwasuka1	woo, the latest lts kernel finally broke my nvidia driver
2024-05-08 22:28:48	chikuwasuka1	time to figure out how to install a driver from the AUR
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2024-05-08 22:32:28	wyre	chikuwasuka, that's what I'm doing
2024-05-08 22:32:37	wyre	nvidia-470xx-dkms is an AUR package
2024-05-08 22:32:49	wyre	but dkms is not able to install the module
2024-05-08 22:33:00	wyre	I'm the module installed for 6.8.9-arch1-1 and working right know
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2024-05-08 22:33:07	chikuwasuka	i was gonna use 535xx, but i think the process is the same
2024-05-08 22:33:08	wyre	so I've tried to downgrade the kernel before rebooting
2024-05-08 22:33:29	wyre	but even so dkms isn't able to install the module!
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2024-05-08 22:33:51	chikuwasuka	ay. honestly if i'm choosing between holding back the kernel and booting without nvidia, i'd rather just forget about nvidia until they fix it
2024-05-08 22:34:06	chikuwasuka	been over two months already
2024-05-08 22:34:07	Warepire	wyre: The module isn't compiling, so there is nothing for dkms to install.
2024-05-08 22:34:08	wyre	mingdao, I can't I need the 470xx
2024-05-08 22:34:41	wyre	mingdao, yes
2024-05-08 22:35:06	wyre	what I can't understand is why for 6.8.9-arch1-1 is not installing when I have it right now working!
2024-05-08 22:35:18	wyre	I don't want reboot the system cause I feel like video driver won't load
2024-05-08 22:35:58	gog	1650 is newish
2024-05-08 22:35:59	wyre	this is an GT 740
2024-05-08 22:36:00	chikuwasuka	550 is broken on laptops. fine on desktops from what i've heard
2024-05-08 22:36:03	wyre	so I need 470xx
2024-05-08 22:36:26	gog	i have 550, works fine
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2024-05-08 22:36:31	gog	on a laptop
2024-05-08 22:36:37	gog	with a 1650
2024-05-08 22:36:50	chikuwasuka	it crashes repeatedly for me and many other people. kernel panics almost daily
2024-05-08 22:37:19	teraflops	gog: https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/series-550-freezes-laptop/284772/95
2024-05-08 22:37:22	phrik	Title: Series 550 freezes laptop - #95 by demensdeum - Linux - NVIDIA Developer Forums (at forums.developer.nvidia.com)
2024-05-08 22:37:24	chikuwasuka	the only commentary nvidia has had so far is "uh, we can't reproduce the issue, please help?"
2024-05-08 22:37:45	semeion	gog: LOL 
2024-05-08 22:37:48	chikuwasuka	so i was on 545 with the lts kernel, but now it doesn't build as of today
2024-05-08 22:37:55	gog	i don't think i'm using that
2024-05-08 22:38:03	gog	so that would explain it
2024-05-08 22:38:54	gog	the module is loaded but i don't think i'm using any video codec features because i also have amd igpu
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2024-05-08 22:39:06	semeion	gog: I am laughing about your way to be same way used for me "17:19:41 gog that's my way of doing things. fix the problem and pray you don't break something else 17:19:46 gog just like every day at work"
2024-05-08 22:39:12	gog	:P
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2024-05-08 22:39:24	gog	i broke something at work today so yeah
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2024-05-08 22:39:31	gog	feeling real competent at my job
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2024-05-08 22:41:03	teraflops	chikuwasuka: nvidia-535xx-dkms is fine
2024-05-08 22:41:32	chikuwasuka	teraflops: i'll try. gonna reboot first.
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2024-05-08 22:45:46	bluetail	gog ur body made u break something cause it couldnt be productive, so you keep looking busy, saving your job
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2024-05-08 22:46:29	gog	nope, i was very busy with other things and the last thing i wanted was to break something in production
2024-05-08 22:46:50	gog	i guess my boss went easy on me because he's responsible for the last 3 in a row
2024-05-08 22:47:16	gog	and he knew that i would cry
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2024-05-08 22:48:57	bluetail	u cry in public, or is it more like, in secret?
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2024-05-08 22:50:34	gog	i'll cry in front of everybody
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2024-05-08 22:51:14	bluetail	yea, as a manager, you'd want to avoid that
2024-05-08 22:51:29	gog	i'm not a manager
2024-05-08 22:51:30	bluetail	its bad for rep
2024-05-08 22:51:36	bluetail	yea but your boss
2024-05-08 22:51:42	gog	oh
2024-05-08 22:51:49	gog	yeah but he knows i'll cry about anything
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2024-05-08 22:54:11	Gordinator	gog: embrace the crying, it's good for the soul
2024-05-08 22:54:17	Gordinator	better than keeping in your emotions
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2024-05-08 22:54:37	gog	i'm in the middle of an asthma attack and i almost cired because my wife kept going with a joke that was starting to annoy me
2024-05-08 22:54:40	gog	:|
2024-05-08 22:54:51	gog	but only because it required that i keep talking while i can't breathe
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2024-05-08 22:57:29	bluetail	u might want to avoid developing a fear of crying
2024-05-08 22:58:02	Gordinator	who me or gog
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2024-05-08 22:59:14	gog	i don't want spam!
2024-05-08 22:59:20	gog	uh wrong channel
2024-05-08 22:59:39	gog	i am not afraid of crying
2024-05-08 23:00:00	Gordinator	wait, why wasn't your wife helping you during your asthma attack?
2024-05-08 23:00:09	chikuwasuka	install cry-git from the AUR
2024-05-08 23:00:30	gog	she didn't know it was happening, i was just trying to relax and wait for the inhaler to work :P
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2024-05-08 23:03:02	alad	#archlinux-offtopic
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2024-05-08 23:07:16	chikuwasuka	whoever told me 535xx still works was right, it does build
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2024-05-08 23:08:35	teraflops	yeah it's ok
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2024-05-08 23:09:16	chikuwasuka	i don't game on linux, but i sometimes do photo editing etc. where i'd like to have the dgpu available
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2024-05-08 23:09:50	chikuwasuka	here's hoping it doesn't break again before the 555 branch comes out.
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2024-05-08 23:42:50	GuiToris	Hey! Has anyone else experienced that the interface of libreoffice programs freezes?
2024-05-08 23:45:41	GuiToris	where?
2024-05-08 23:46:04	GuiToris	It's been the case for a month or two
2024-05-09 00:03:10	GuiToris	local/libreoffice-fresh 24.2.2-2
2024-05-09 00:07:01	GuiToris	ok, thanks
2024-05-09 00:08:24	GuiToris	[2024-03-26T15:32:30+0100] [ALPM] upgraded libreoffice-fresh (24.2.1-4 -> 24.2.1-5), [2024-03-30T13:26:50+0100] [ALPM] upgraded libreoffice-fresh (24.2.1-5 -> 24.2.2-1), [2024-04-21T12:55:00+0200] [ALPM] upgraded libreoffice-fresh (24.2.2-1 -> 24.2.2-2)
2024-05-09 00:10:41	GuiToris	I see
2024-05-09 00:10:54	GuiToris	KDE
2024-05-09 00:11:24	GuiToris	especially when I use "save as"
2024-05-09 00:13:05	GuiToris	this will happen later
2024-05-09 00:14:58	GuiToris	update
2024-05-09 00:16:43	ser	What's Patrycja's handle here? I'm exchanging messages with her in an MR, and maybe this would be a better place to talk?
2024-05-09 00:18:05	GuiToris	it has been behaving like that for a while, so I thought an update wouldn't solve it
2024-05-09 00:19:46	ser	ptrc: Ah.
2024-05-09 00:20:08	ptrc	ser: 👋
2024-05-09 00:20:14	ptrc	though this is #archlinux
2024-05-09 00:20:18	ptrc	and the MR is for Alpine :p
2024-05-09 00:20:23	ser	TF
2024-05-09 00:20:35	Soni	how do you make a partition at the end of a disk
2024-05-09 00:21:52	Soni	do we need to math it out manually...?
2024-05-09 00:22:17	phrik	ser: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2024-05-09 00:24:01	tirnanog	Soni: in the case of most partitioning utilities, yes. should you find that arduous, parted supports negative offsets.
2024-05-09 01:05:22	Soni	so uh, /boot, /efi, what's the difference, and is it okay to have ESPs on multiple disks?
2024-05-09 01:05:52	Soni	(the wiki is surprisingly unclear about /boot vs /efi)
2024-05-09 01:06:29	ser	Huh. My efis always show up _in_ /boot
2024-05-09 01:06:42	Scimmia	well one is /boot and one is /efi, so there's a difference there
2024-05-09 01:07:06	Scimmia	I'm not sure what the actual question is
2024-05-09 01:09:33	heat	is /efi a thing now?
2024-05-09 01:09:48	Soni	we are looking at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFI_system_partition#Mount_the_partition
2024-05-09 01:09:50	phrik	Title: EFI system partition - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-09 01:10:01	Scimmia	heat: has been for many years
2024-05-09 01:10:22	heat	huh, funny
2024-05-09 01:10:33	heat	i still have my /boot/efi mountpoint
2024-05-09 01:11:12	Soni	it gives you a comparison of mounting to the different places but doesn't *quite* tell you how to set them up
2024-05-09 01:11:53	heat	they don't mention the fun fact that you're far more likely to lose data on a FAT /boot (on a bad, unfortunate update during a e.g power loss or system crash)
2024-05-09 01:12:10	Scimmia	because it all depends on how you want things to work. There's tons of considerations
2024-05-09 01:12:13	Soni	does /efi work out of the box? it's unclear!
2024-05-09 01:12:23	Scimmia	in some setups, yes
2024-05-09 01:12:26	Scimmia	in others, no
2024-05-09 01:12:31	renerthr	Soni: the wiki is unclear most of the time (unless you're one of the wiki editors or creators). 
2024-05-09 01:12:33	Soni	oh fun
2024-05-09 01:12:42	heat	what setups does it not work on?
2024-05-09 01:12:55	Scimmia	heat: a simple systemd-boot setup, for one
2024-05-09 01:13:01	renerthr	Soni: the standard thing to do is to use `/boot` instead of `/efi` 
2024-05-09 01:13:36	Scimmia	heat: but then you can use an XBOOTLDR partition to make it work, or UKIs, etc
2024-05-09 01:13:59	heat	ah, i'm not too familiar with systemd-boot
2024-05-09 01:14:33	edu4rdshl	It's really nice and simple, as a bootloader should be
2024-05-09 01:14:38	Soni	can you set up A/B boot partitions?
2024-05-09 01:15:46	heat	i don't think so
2024-05-09 01:16:14	Scimmia	meaning what, exactly?
2024-05-09 01:16:53	heat	it'd be a layout where you have 2 boot partitions, you're running on one, you write to the other, and you switch them both on an update
2024-05-09 01:16:54	Soni	active/inactive, so you run system updates on one and have the other one still working in case something goes wrong
2024-05-09 01:17:02	Soni	yeah
2024-05-09 01:17:45	Scimmia	useless, as the modules aren't on that partition
2024-05-09 01:18:00	Soni	hmm now we're imagining doing system updates with pacstrap
2024-05-09 01:18:45	heat	this reminds me i should probably look into the pacman atomicity issue
2024-05-09 01:19:14	heat	i was going to pull out a strong warning against FAT32 /boot, but pacman will probably not give you data safety in any case
2024-05-09 01:20:16	heat	basically when doing a package update there's a window where the old file does not exist and the new file does not either
2024-05-09 01:20:36	heat	no journalling or zfs-magic will help you in that case
2024-05-09 01:20:57	Scimmia	And there's others that will pull out a strong warning for anything OTHER than FAT32 on boot, as a simple filesystem is more likely to not cause problems with non-kernel drivers used in the boot process
2024-05-09 01:21:28	Soni	... we think we'll just make a regular FAT32 /boot for now
2024-05-09 01:22:59	heat	Scimmia, oh, i'm not suggesting zfs or any of those ridiculously complex filesystems
2024-05-09 01:23:23	heat	but something with basic journalling (like xfs or zfs) will Do The Right Thing (aka boot) when faced with a rename
2024-05-09 01:23:37	heat	s/zfs/ext4/ on that last message :)
2024-05-09 01:24:40	Scimmia	but we are talking about 3rd party drivers here, are you sure about what they'll do?
2024-05-09 01:26:01	Scimmia	I don't personally think it's a problem, just pointing out that there's arguments both ways
2024-05-09 01:26:19	demonicmaniac1	i'm a bit confused how would a journaling filesystem help if it does not fsck/playback the journal from the third party efi/bla implementation?
2024-05-09 01:26:33	heat	no, i'm not 100% sure, but there's a choice between "filesystem that may give you some safety/consistency" and "filesystem that does not"
2024-05-09 01:27:10	heat	who says they don't/couldn't playback the journal?
2024-05-09 01:28:16	virtualsid	Soni: I use a /efi and /boot. I only setup my arch system a few months ago.
2024-05-09 01:28:24	demonicmaniac1	not saying nothing does i meant it's not guaranteed like Scimmia said
2024-05-09 01:28:35	demonicmaniac1	in which case it wouldn't help
2024-05-09 01:28:42	virtualsid	I use an ext4 /boot
2024-05-09 01:29:15	Scimmia	heat: fsck doesn't happen until early userspace, at the earliest
2024-05-09 01:29:27	heat	you don't need fsck to replay the journal
2024-05-09 01:29:41	heat	(and the linux kernel itself can do it just fine)
2024-05-09 01:29:52	Scimmia	it shouldn't do it automatically AFAIK
2024-05-09 01:32:39	Scimmia	hmm, maybe it does, at least with the kernel driver
2024-05-09 01:36:11	ponies	never heard of losing data from a FAT /boot 
2024-05-09 01:37:10	Scimmia	me either
2024-05-09 01:37:12	ponies	aaaand actually willing to dispute that
2024-05-09 01:37:24	cloudowind	i had this macbook 2016 and archlinux running so beautiful on it , like a dream , my only issue was the speakers wasnt working with the https://github.com/leifliddy/macbook12-audio-driver , but then a month later i realised it wasnt working because ive turned of chime sound at boot from macos settings that apperently turning the sound card offline for macbook , ive turn that back on and it works
2024-05-09 01:37:40	heat	i had a pal that had an arch update die and lost his kernel :/
2024-05-09 01:37:51	Scimmia	heat: not a FAT32 issue, though
2024-05-09 01:38:48	heat	not entirely, no. but it is a problem that FAT will never let you handle the situation gracefully
2024-05-09 01:39:02	Scimmia	No filesystem does
2024-05-09 01:39:07	edu4rdshl	Which filesystem would do?
2024-05-09 01:39:37	semeion	my Arch was installed at 3266 days ago, i have a script to show this info :P
2024-05-09 01:40:08	heat	assuming proper filesystem api usage (rename!), anything with a journal would properly checkpoint it and let you see the old kernel or the new kernel, not a mix and not unreadable metadata
2024-05-09 01:40:13	Soni	how do we tell grub where to find the kernel images?
2024-05-09 01:40:31	Soni	(it's using the ones from /boot but we need it to use not that)
2024-05-09 01:40:32	Scimmia	heat: but the old one was deleted and the new one hadn't been written yet
2024-05-09 01:40:34	heat	grub looks at /boot/vmlinuz-* (and some various other names)
2024-05-09 01:40:41	Scimmia	that's not a filesystem issue in any way
2024-05-09 01:40:46	Soni	(as in, from the booted /boot, not the one we're trying to set up)
2024-05-09 01:40:52	heat	Scimmia, yeah that's the problem i want to look into. pacman does that, it should not
2024-05-09 01:41:01	Soni	heat: yeah, any way for us to tell it where to look?
2024-05-09 01:41:31	Scimmia	Soni: why do you need it to not do that?
2024-05-09 01:41:34	heat	you probably need to edit 10_linux (forgot what dir its in, and how one should properly modify it)
2024-05-09 01:41:35	Soni	... do we even need /boot on a running system
2024-05-09 01:42:03	Soni	like, we only need it mounted for updates yeah?
2024-05-09 01:42:06	Scimmia	wait, hadn't we had this conversation before and you were doing something completely nuts?
2024-05-09 01:42:45	Soni	Scimmia: no?
2024-05-09 01:42:47	Scimmia	I thought you gave up on that? Maybe I'm misremembering
2024-05-09 01:42:50	Soni	we're just "moving" the ESP
2024-05-09 01:43:01	tirnanog	heat: yes. an example would be that of rename(2) being atomic at the level of vfs, while a journal is stil needed to know whether such an operation was finished or not at the filesystem level in the event of an unexpected interruption.
2024-05-09 01:43:05	tirnanog	oh, you said that.
2024-05-09 01:43:08	Soni	(read: making a new one, on a different drive)
2024-05-09 01:43:36	Soni	but like we can just unmount /boot yeah?
2024-05-09 01:43:37	Scimmia	Soni: you don't do that by changing where grub-mkconfig looks, you do that by changing your mounts
2024-05-09 01:44:06	Soni	Scimmia: something like that, yeah
2024-05-09 01:44:28	Soni	well, here we go
2024-05-09 01:44:51	heat	tirnanog, yeah. rpm for instance is really careful when installing. basically opens $path + ".new", writes a bunch of stuff into it, *fsyncs*, then rename. meaning that if the fs is implemented correctly (and has a journal, etc), you'll either see the old file or the new file
2024-05-09 01:46:00	tirnanog	heat: that's very nice. I seem to remember something about EBUSY being a problem for ELFs in the event that they are not unlinked first, though? my memory is a little hazy on this.
2024-05-09 01:46:51	tirnanog	if still running, that is.
2024-05-09 01:47:03	heat	i think you're referring to ETXTBSY if you wrote to files that were mapped executable
2024-05-09 01:47:29	Soni	yeah umounting /boot is fine it seems
2024-05-09 01:48:00	tirnanog	heat: ah, that sounds very much like it, yes.
2024-05-09 01:48:02	Soni	now, moving over / is more painful...
2024-05-09 01:49:01	ponies	Soni: unmounting boot is a sure way to break your system
2024-05-09 01:49:11	Soni	ponies: how so?
2024-05-09 01:49:53	ponies	because the next time you update your system the kernel is installed into the directory /boot not your mounted EFI partition /boot 
2024-05-09 01:50:27	Soni	well yes, we mounted the new EFI partition on it so grub could pick it up properly
2024-05-09 01:50:44	Soni	(we also copied over the kernel files from the old one)
2024-05-09 01:52:04	Soni	we guess now is the time where we should YOLO it and reboot, and see if it works
2024-05-09 01:52:14	ponies	we?
2024-05-09 01:54:22	Scimmia	heat: BTW, for the crashing during update: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/systemd/-/issues/26
2024-05-09 01:54:23	phrik	Title: Reconsider udevadm trigger in systemd-hook, continouous kernel panics are happening (#26) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / systemd · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-09 01:55:31	renerthr	ponies: that's their pronoun
2024-05-09 01:56:37	Scimmia	and no, Arch doesn't handle it well. More of an Arch issue than a pacman issue, though
2024-05-09 02:02:45	heat	Scimmia, hah, nvidia fits the bill, might be the issue he hit :) thanks!
2024-05-09 02:04:36	demonicmaniac1	heat: i feel like that's something beyond pacman/arch that could be set up as a front/backbuffer like thing. will always write to the "other" boot
2024-05-09 02:05:10	kode54	does anyone need someone to bisect the crashes in mesa 24.0.7? I really shouldn't be volunteering though, since I have enough trouble already
2024-05-09 02:06:06	renerthr	kode54: I had to switch to mesa-amber because was causing crashes when running the program `logisim-evolution`
2024-05-09 02:06:31	renerthr	s/because was/because mesa was/
2024-05-09 02:06:36	rcf	Oh you're that guy 
2024-05-09 02:06:39	rcf	I remember you!
2024-05-09 02:07:45	kode54	renerthr: interesting
2024-05-09 02:07:58	kode54	I only know about this because of arch-dev-public posting
2024-05-09 02:08:23	kode54	it didn't even mention if it was specific to particular versions of the hardware
2024-05-09 02:08:54	kode54	my old way of doing mesa bisecting involved using mesa-tkg PKGBUILD and scripts to do the building of a particular commit hash
2024-05-09 02:09:03	andril	hello all
2024-05-09 02:09:05	kode54	and using a separate mesa git repo clone to do the bisect walk
2024-05-09 02:09:06	⚡ 	rcf is glad he does not have to bisect mesa anymore
2024-05-09 02:09:06	demonicmaniac1	the only reason for amber is usually for older intel hardware when the crocus/pre-iris gallium drivers don't work well
2024-05-09 02:09:11	Soni	yeah that was completely uneventful tbh
2024-05-09 02:09:25	demonicmaniac1	anything broadwell and up should be no different from amber to mesa
2024-05-09 02:09:43	rcf	demonicmaniac1: no, there are bugs for slightly newer cards as well. 
2024-05-09 02:09:59	demonicmaniac1	i suppose there may be regressions in mesa itself sure
2024-05-09 02:10:17	rcf	I was hesitant to recommend amber because it was the last generation supported by it at all, but it worked. 
2024-05-09 02:10:19	demonicmaniac1	just saying that's the main difference
2024-05-09 02:11:24	rcf	Indeed, barring weird bugs there's no reason to use amber for newer intel. 
2024-05-09 02:11:47	demonicmaniac1	i do use it on ivy bridge because crocus does have some funky shit with gimp and stuff
2024-05-09 02:12:46	kode54	I'll just stay on 24.0.6 until someone fixes it
2024-05-09 02:12:54	kode54	nobody is paying me to hunt for bugs
2024-05-09 02:13:24	rcf	!grab kode54 
2024-05-09 02:13:24	phrik	rcf: Tada!
2024-05-09 02:13:26	virtualsid	weird take, kode54 :P
2024-05-09 02:13:47	Soni	btw, fdisk warns about repartitioning live disks, is it generally fine to add new partitions to them?
2024-05-09 02:14:23	rcf	Soni: as long as you don't modify any mounted partition you're good. 
2024-05-09 02:15:00	Soni	(we did not make the new / partition before booting into the new /boot)
2024-05-09 02:15:07	Soni	alright
2024-05-09 02:18:40	Soni	now, how do we set up the new root?
2024-05-09 02:20:22	chovy	my /etc/host got wiped out on last upgrade. what should it be?
2024-05-09 02:20:37	chovy	 /etc/hosts
2024-05-09 02:20:54	virtualsid	on my Arch, it's blank :P
2024-05-09 02:20:58	chovy	oh
2024-05-09 02:21:07	chovy	it breaks esbuild without 127.0.0.1 localhost
2024-05-09 02:21:30	virtualsid	I think I use systemd resolver. Just checking...
2024-05-09 02:42:48	Namarrgon	Did you rebuild all the unofficial python packages?
2024-05-09 02:43:14	Namarrgon	What errors do you get when you run gpodder from a terminal?
2024-05-09 02:43:33	Murray7501	Namarrgon: gpodder is part of the repos though ? I just pacman -Syu
2024-05-09 02:43:52	Namarrgon	pacman -Qo /usr/lib/python3.11
2024-05-09 02:44:54	Scimmia	Murray7501: yes, known issue
2024-05-09 02:45:16	Scimmia	Murray7501: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/gpodder/-/issues/1
2024-05-09 02:45:18	phrik	Title: gpodder 3.11.4-3 crash on launch : ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'imp' (#1) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / gpodder · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-09 02:45:48	Murray7501	Namarrgon: /usr/lib/python3.11/ is owned by dr14_t.meter-git v1.0.15.r190.g9a22d1a-1 /usr/lib/python3.11/ is owned by python-contextlib2 21.6.0-2 /usr/lib/python3.11/ is owned by python-hid-parser 0.0.3-2 /usr/lib/python3.11/ is owned by python-pytoml 0.1.21-8
2024-05-09 02:46:12	Murray7501	Scimmia: hmmm ok
2024-05-09 02:46:36	Scimmia	Murray7501: you *do* need to fix those, but they won't affect gpodder
2024-05-09 02:48:14	Murray7501	Scimmia: is it like teh old perl modules I have installed I'm always warned about ? :)
2024-05-09 02:48:38	Scimmia	exactly like that
2024-05-09 02:48:50	Scimmia	they simply won't work at all until you fix them
2024-05-09 02:49:18	Murray7501	Scimmia: gpodder though ? I will just have to wait or is there a quick fix ? :)
2024-05-09 02:49:55	Scimmia	see upstream links, there's a patch
2024-05-09 02:55:07	Murray7501	Scimmia: I guess I'll just wait then
2024-05-09 03:12:08	xecuter	where in dolphin-emulator, i have to config, that someone find me? i select game, make host via netplay, but than i am not in the dolphin browser findable ;(
2024-05-09 03:14:41	xecuter	in the netplay browser are all players incompatible. why? it is the version of my dolphin-emulator or because the games? i do not understand this.
2024-05-09 03:15:08	Soni	how do you make alsa persist "Front Mic Boost" between reboots?
2024-05-09 03:15:58	xecuter	the most users use the revision 5.0-21460, but i have (from arch repo) the version 5.0-14480
2024-05-09 03:17:19	xecuter	in arch repo i read "5.0-r21264.1efda...."
2024-05-09 03:18:26	xecuter	ahh uhh i had start from "lutris"... there i need to ask for help to update this!:-o
2024-05-09 03:23:38	kode54	um, what
2024-05-09 03:24:14	xecuter	i just want open host and try to find me in the netplay-browser.
2024-05-09 03:24:50	kode54	then you'll need to use official binaries or build it yourself
2024-05-09 03:25:02	kode54	arch repo doesn't build often enough to keep up with their daily snapshots
2024-05-09 03:25:20	xecuter	but with both versions...i am in browser unfindable. so i do not know what is the problem
2024-05-09 03:25:32	kode54	you probably also need network ports open
2024-05-09 03:25:58	xecuter	atm, firewall is disabled
2024-05-09 03:26:15	kode54	yes, but unless your computer is connected directly to the modem, you'll need to tell your router to open ports to you
2024-05-09 03:27:19	kode54	oh
2024-05-09 03:27:23	kode54	there's a traversal server option
2024-05-09 03:30:47	xecuter	where are more conflicts because firewall possible? i know, that i can see other users and there are no errors if i host a game
2024-05-09 03:39:45	xecuter	@kode54: yesterday i had try retroarch, that is with netplay too. there i could get a connection and play online.
2024-05-09 03:41:43	xecuter	and i remembering, that my friend could not find me there too.  hmm 
2024-05-09 03:44:06	xecuter	it existing a netplay port scanner for checking port forwarding problems?
2024-05-09 04:03:05	xecuter	now, i have found the option "make host visible" in the hosting options... -.-
2024-05-09 04:49:09	kode54	"hmm"
2024-05-09 04:49:11	kode54	+  # GCC 14 causes segfault in LLVM under si_llvm_optimize_module
2024-05-09 04:49:11	kode54	+  export CC=clang CXX=clang++
2024-05-09 05:00:14	pagios	hi all does badusb work when linux is locked by xscreemsaver? can someone plug in a usb amd get something nasty?
2024-05-09 05:02:42	gehidore	pagios do some reasearch also stop plugging random drives into your machine
2024-05-09 05:02:59	gehidore	it's pretty much cyber security 99
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2024-05-09 17:25:34	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-09 13:04:16	switchnode	is there a good way either of determining what packages _used_ to depend on an orphan, or of being notified when a package upgrade orphans one of its dependencies?
2024-05-09 13:04:35	switchnode	i see the suggestion to use `pacman -Qdt` as a pacman hook on the wiki, but that won't tell me which package in an `-Syu` is (as it were) the deadbeat
2024-05-09 13:18:20	another|	hmm.. read the logs?
2024-05-09 13:22:48	switchnode	another|: sometimes works, but sometimes the dependency was also introduced in an `-Syu`, so it's obscure
2024-05-09 13:28:47	grawity	pre-transaction hook to -Qdt into a file, post-transaction hook to diff before after
2024-05-09 13:32:48	switchnode	tells you which packages are newly abandoned, but not why. (i guess you could do something with pactree, but pactreeing literally everything beforehand?)
2024-05-09 13:51:47	pagios	hey all, what do you think of xscreensaver when it comes to security, is it flawless? i read that it can be bypasssed by some magic keystrokes , and or crash the x11 server by unplugging some monitor/hmdi is this true? what are your comments on its security? 
2024-05-09 13:52:46	mpan	pagios: you received the answer from grawity already, around 9 hours ago.
2024-05-09 13:55:49	alad	#archlinuxGPT
2024-05-09 13:55:56	mpan	pagios: gehidore, not grawity.
2024-05-09 14:00:02	pagios	can you paste it 
2024-05-09 14:00:51	alad	it said to do your homework and stop plugging in random drives you find a parking lot in your computer
2024-05-09 15:22:51	aldcor	hey, hackers! what ya hacking on? 
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2024-05-09 16:11:13	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-09 16:11:13	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1471 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1470 regular)
2024-05-09 15:40:04	grawity	i'm writing my own config deployment system because Salt pisses me off
2024-05-09 15:40:34	grawity	can totally see why they started shipping their own /opt/salt/bin/python
2024-05-09 15:40:46	grawity	but how did it grow to the point of needing that
2024-05-09 15:41:13	ponies	idk what salt is 
2024-05-09 15:42:19	ponies	"Salt is an event-driven automation tool and framework to deploy, configure, and manage complex IT systems"
2024-05-09 15:44:35	another|	it's a thing to put on your food
2024-05-09 15:48:17	ponies	oh and im doing stuff with pdf's. 
2024-05-09 15:51:32	aldcor	complex IT systems?
2024-05-09 15:52:04	aldcor	i see Central system and configuration manager in repos
2024-05-09 15:52:34	aldcor	i never used salt.. for food only
2024-05-09 15:52:48	aldcor	grawity: will you share it on github too?
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2024-05-09 17:26:51	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-09 16:19:30	BrainDamage	salt is a way of life
2024-05-09 16:22:41	demonicmaniac1	grawity: what about puppet or ansible?
2024-05-09 16:24:10	Foxboron	grawity: ufff
2024-05-09 16:24:17	Foxboron	grawity: and its such a pain to package
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2024-05-09 17:29:47	hongry	Anyone home?
2024-05-09 17:29:58	espresso	yes
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2024-05-09 17:30:19	hongry	Haven't been in for a while.  Didn't see a list of users when I joined channel this time.
2024-05-09 17:30:23	hongry	Something change on server?
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2024-05-09 17:32:06	espresso	hongry: not that I'm aware of. (I don't recall seeing a list in chat, just user panel populates)
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2024-05-09 17:34:24	hongry	I'm having a new issue using Steam Proton.  Just started happening.  First time I launch steam using flatpak, it runs fine.  Subsequent launch using 'flatpak run com.valvesoftware.Steam', and I get WARNING: discarding _NET_WM_PID 43828 as invalid for X11 window - use specialized XCB_X11_TO_PID function! 
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2024-05-09 17:34:59	hongry	I have to close fluxbox, log out, log back in, relaunch xorg, and then it works again.  Once.
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2024-05-09 17:35:48	hongry	any idea whats going on ?
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2024-05-09 17:55:35	espresso	hongry: that error alone seems to have several possible causes, from Xorg updates to running on NTFS..
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2024-05-09 17:57:42	hongry	I found a work-around.  After closing steam, I can do 'ps aux | grep Steam' and then 'kill <pid>'
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2024-05-09 17:57:56	hongry	so I wrote a script that does it before it launches steam from my fluxbox menu.  Going to try it out now.
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2024-05-09 17:58:31	espresso	hongry: oh interesting. I guess another successful hack =)
2024-05-09 17:58:39	hongry	works too :)
2024-05-09 17:59:00	espresso	and hopefully the error works itself out
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2024-05-09 18:00:57	hongry	I ran pacman -Syyu last night, not sure if something in there got a little crufty.
2024-05-09 18:01:01	hongry	might be related.
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2024-05-09 19:48:52	intelfx	hey. those of you who keep their dotfiles in git across multiple machines, how do you deal with gnupg.conf?
2024-05-09 19:49:06	intelfx	correction, gpg.conf
2024-05-09 19:49:30	intelfx	my problem is that it does not permit inclusions, and there is a `default-key` directive which needs to differ across machines
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2024-05-09 20:23:27	Soni	we think this should say arch packages, not arch pages https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacstrap
2024-05-09 20:23:29	phrik	Title: Pacstrap - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-09 20:24:18	jelle	it's a wiki my man
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2024-05-09 20:33:49	gehidore	Soni there exists a -wiki channel AND discussion page on the wiki itself. Use them.
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2024-05-09 21:00:33	lorder	Hi. Im new to arch, but familiar with linux in general. Im trying to build freeipa-client from AUR using yay, but im getting some build errors on autofs. Its a clean arch install. It stops at cyrus-sasl.c. Any tips welcome. https://pastebin.com/2E2sf1GT
2024-05-09 21:00:34	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/X8fS.txt
2024-05-09 21:00:34	phrik	Title: gcc -march=x86-64 -mtune=generic -O2 -pipe -fno-plt -fexceptions -Wp,-D_ - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2024-05-09 21:01:58	lorder	!paste
2024-05-09 21:01:59	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-05-09 21:03:06	Namarrgon	Did you check the comments?
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2024-05-09 21:06:48	lorder	comments? it does not have anything on my specific fault and yes, base-devel is installed. 
2024-05-09 21:07:06	Namarrgon	The comments on the autofs AUR page.
2024-05-09 21:07:21	mpan	I can’t even find these fragments in the freeipa-client sources.
2024-05-09 21:07:31	Namarrgon	mpan: it's autofs that fails
2024-05-09 21:07:39	lorder	you are thinking about https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/autofs right. the last ones are from over a year agon.
2024-05-09 21:07:40	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - autofs (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-05-09 21:07:45	Namarrgon	lorder: Have you updated to gcc 13 already?
2024-05-09 21:07:52	mpan	Oh, uh. AUR helper in use. -.-
2024-05-09 21:08:10	mpan	nvm
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2024-05-09 21:08:38	Namarrgon	lorder: " rsaffi commented on 2024-05-09 15:08 (UTC)"
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2024-05-09 21:10:56	lorder	Namarrgon: just a fresh install. using yay as a helper. thank you looking at it now
2024-05-09 21:11:18	Namarrgon	"fresh" doesn't mean anything on arch.
2024-05-09 21:11:41	Namarrgon	pacman -Q gcc
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2024-05-09 21:12:20	lorder	Namarrgon: gcc 14.1.1+r1+g43b730b9134-1
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2024-05-09 21:22:10	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-09 21:13:06	Namarrgon	You can try to build it with gcc13, if you want.
2024-05-09 21:14:22	lorder	Namarrgon: hmmm. that might be worth a try. thanks
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2024-05-09 22:23:35	cabalcrow	I installed a font package, but I can't find it in fc-list
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2024-05-09 22:24:11	Namarrgon	How did you install it and where to?
2024-05-09 22:24:38	cabalcrow	with pacman
2024-05-09 22:24:41	cabalcrow	pacman -S adobe-source-han-serif-jp-fonts
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2024-05-09 22:26:09	cabalcrow	it seems to have installed a bunch of otfs in /usr/share/fonts/adobe-source-code-pro/
2024-05-09 22:27:42	cabalcrow	my bad in /usr/share/fonts/adobe-source-han-serif/
2024-05-09 22:28:10	cabalcrow	nvm they are there, I'm just dumb
2024-05-09 22:28:25	cabalcrow	I thought they would show up with fc-list :lang=jp, but nope
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2024-05-09 22:34:57	enoq	not sure if this is the right place to ask, but does anyone else have no sound in Vampire Survivors on Steam?
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2024-05-09 22:37:28	enoq	ah, it's a wine/proton game
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2024-05-09 23:07:44	edu4rdshl	enoq, looks like an issue in your setup
2024-05-09 23:07:52	edu4rdshl	According to https://www.protondb.com/app/1794680 it just works
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2024-05-09 23:17:16	kode54	why are you using Proton for that?
2024-05-09 23:17:27	edu4rdshl	 Why not
2024-05-09 23:17:27	kode54	Vampire Survivors has an unadvertised Linux native port
2024-05-09 23:17:34	edu4rdshl	Most linux native games are trash
2024-05-09 23:17:35	kode54	just install the game
2024-05-09 23:17:37	edu4rdshl	:p
2024-05-09 23:17:45	kode54	the native port is a recent Unity build
2024-05-09 23:18:07	edu4rdshl	Well, everyone there seems to be using the proton build and it just works
2024-05-09 23:18:21	kode54	you only end up using Proton if you explicitly enable Proton
2024-05-09 23:18:30	kode54	it defaults to the native port
2024-05-09 23:19:01	kode54	I wouldn't be surprised if half the people there don't even know they're using the native version
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2024-05-09 23:19:19	kode54	since the game doesn't have a Linux/SteamOS icon
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2024-05-09 23:19:59	kode54	it's only been native since the Unity conversion/remake
2024-05-09 23:20:12	kode54	prior to that, it was CEF hosting a web game
2024-05-09 23:20:49	kode54	for some reason, they don't advertise their native port
2024-05-09 23:21:19	kode54	the database on protondb does default to pooling info from steamdb
2024-05-09 23:21:31	kode54	and steam's database doesn't officially advertise a Linux port
2024-05-09 23:21:39	kode54	it does have a Linux depot, though
2024-05-09 23:21:51	kode54	let's test that out again, been a few months since I played
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2024-05-09 23:25:16	edu4rdshl	Let's make games in Electron so that they are cross-platform
2024-05-09 23:26:09	Brottweiler	I had no idea vampire survivors had a linux port. I just click play because I have proton enabled on all titles
2024-05-09 23:26:12	demonicmaniac1	edu4rdshl: it's more so that they use a html5 "engine" since there's shittons of those especially for mobile targets
2024-05-09 23:26:35	demonicmaniac1	it's really sad but common for smaller games with no coder experience just using a html5 game maker click
2024-05-09 23:26:50	edu4rdshl	True
2024-05-09 23:26:58	edu4rdshl	I was joking btw but I get your point
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2024-05-09 23:27:28	demonicmaniac1	it's just the new flash
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2024-05-09 23:27:32	enoq	got it working by changing launch options btw
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2024-05-09 23:27:38	enoq	probably some cache issue
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2024-05-09 23:28:41	demonicmaniac1	edu4rdshl: fun thing most of these games would run better and be 100 lines of code in löve2d :P
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2024-05-10 11:37:23	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-10 11:37:23	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1450 nicks (2 ops, 0 voiced, 1448 regular)
2024-05-10 06:14:15	rcf	Be thankful it wasn't borked up in the upgrade 
2024-05-10 06:17:42	predicament	unable to parse date
2024-05-10 06:18:05	edu4rdshl	What does date -Iminutes --date '3 hours ago' output
2024-05-10 06:18:18	predicament	nevermind
2024-05-10 06:18:22	predicament	thats a lot
2024-05-10 06:18:38	predicament	but yeah it shows all the packages installed 5 hours ago i put.
2024-05-10 06:19:03	edu4rdshl	feed them to pacman
2024-05-10 06:19:11	predicament	thats a lot
2024-05-10 06:19:16	predicament	alright
2024-05-10 06:19:29	edu4rdshl	Well, they should be downloaded already 
2024-05-10 06:19:33	edu4rdshl	So just reinstall
2024-05-10 06:19:45	rcf	It will be a lot, but... yeah that 
2024-05-10 06:19:49	predicament	im not worried abotu downloading it
2024-05-10 06:20:08	predicament	this is a fast connection, gigabit, mirrors are good.  no big deal, just a lot to type
2024-05-10 06:20:11	rcf	Any of those packages could have been corrupted, so you want them all. 
2024-05-10 06:20:14	predicament	this is 168 packages
2024-05-10 06:20:37	predicament	and the way they're listed, lol.  line by line.
2024-05-10 06:20:44	edu4rdshl	No need to type
2024-05-10 06:20:52	edu4rdshl	paclog --after "$(date -Iminutes --date '3 hours ago')" | grep -oE "upgraded (\S+)" |cut -d ' ' -f 2 | pacman -S -
2024-05-10 06:20:55	edu4rdshl	That's it
2024-05-10 06:21:11	predicament	pacman -S - being the difference
2024-05-10 06:21:18	predicament	i see
2024-05-10 06:21:22	edu4rdshl	Yeah
2024-05-10 06:21:23	predicament	it will install al of those
2024-05-10 06:21:28	edu4rdshl	Yep
2024-05-10 06:21:33	rcf	edu4rdshl++
2024-05-10 06:21:34	predicament	nice
2024-05-10 06:21:40	predicament	ill do it now.
2024-05-10 06:22:37	predicament	it tried to install a few aur ones, errors with those
2024-05-10 06:22:47	predicament	the others were saiyng "up to date reinstalling"
2024-05-10 06:22:56	predicament	hang on.
2024-05-10 06:23:10	predicament	how could i just force this
2024-05-10 06:23:38	edu4rdshl	Uh
2024-05-10 06:23:45	predicament	target not found brave-bin faudio lib32-faudio snapd
2024-05-10 06:23:49	edu4rdshl	Change pacman -S - for paru -S -
2024-05-10 06:23:52	edu4rdshl	I think
2024-05-10 06:23:55	predicament	oh
2024-05-10 06:23:56	predicament	okay
2024-05-10 06:24:19	predicament	thats what i was about to do
2024-05-10 06:24:27	predicament	but i wanted to be sure.  it's reinsatlling now
2024-05-10 06:25:26	predicament	165.
2024-05-10 06:27:50	edu4rdshl	After reinstalling make sure that the offending file is not empty
2024-05-10 06:28:08	predicament	absolutely
2024-05-10 06:28:18	predicament	wtf
2024-05-10 06:28:39	predicament	after resolving dependencies.. this is hooked up via ethernet.. and it says..
2024-05-10 06:29:33	predicament	i am redoing it because the ehternet cable got unplugged because of the dog
2024-05-10 06:29:51	edu4rdshl	xD
2024-05-10 06:30:19	predicament	-_-
2024-05-10 06:30:24	rcf	bloody dogs 
2024-05-10 06:30:29	glitsj16	always throw your dog a reward while pacman'ing
2024-05-10 06:30:54	edu4rdshl	The dog: stop doing things on the computer and give me attention!
2024-05-10 06:31:55	predicament	fatal library error, lookup self
2024-05-10 06:31:55	predicament	0% to 100% -- does it twice
2024-05-10 06:32:06	predicament	when reinstalling virtualbox, no idea why
2024-05-10 06:32:15	edu4rdshl	Ignore it atm tho
2024-05-10 06:32:18	predicament	i am
2024-05-10 06:32:24	predicament	i need to start up to use that
2024-05-10 06:32:49	predicament	running hooks
2024-05-10 06:33:00	edu4rdshl	* crashes *
2024-05-10 06:33:12	predicament	i swear i hated typing that
2024-05-10 06:33:24	predicament	on this little laptop keyboard
2024-05-10 06:33:25	edu4rdshl	predicament, `touch /etc/systemd/do-not-udevadm-trigger-on-update`
2024-05-10 06:33:34	edu4rdshl	That will make your life better :)
2024-05-10 06:33:42	virtualsid	is that a general recommendation, edu4rdshl?
2024-05-10 06:33:48	predicament	yeah is it?
2024-05-10 06:34:30	virtualsid	I mean, I'll look it up, rather than blindly trusting something in IRC, but I appreciate your continued knowledge and helpfulness :)
2024-05-10 06:34:33	edu4rdshl	The udevadm trigger doesn't have much sense tbh. I mean, with the current implementation it only causes issues
2024-05-10 06:34:37	virtualsid	oh gosh, I sound like such a suck up
2024-05-10 06:34:40	predicament	initcpios...
2024-05-10 06:35:00	predicament	so far so good.
2024-05-10 06:35:12	edu4rdshl	And... ArchLinux worked without that trigger for many years, that was introduced recently, and issues with it
2024-05-10 06:35:20	predicament	its almost there.  i hope.
2024-05-10 06:35:37	edu4rdshl	I wonder why it isn't documented on the wiki
2024-05-10 06:35:54	virtualsid	thanks, edu4rdshl!
2024-05-10 06:36:00	predicament	cant install aur packages as root
2024-05-10 06:36:02	predicament	motehrfucker
2024-05-10 06:36:10	edu4rdshl	su - user
2024-05-10 06:36:10	predicament	i dont think it matters.
2024-05-10 06:36:12	predicament	hang on
2024-05-10 06:36:12	edu4rdshl	:p
2024-05-10 06:36:14	edu4rdshl	Well
2024-05-10 06:36:16	predicament	yes i know.
2024-05-10 06:36:17	edu4rdshl	snapd is from AUR
2024-05-10 06:36:17	predicament	:P
2024-05-10 06:36:20	edu4rdshl	Sure it matters
2024-05-10 06:36:22	edu4rdshl	:p
2024-05-10 06:36:23	predicament	oh yes
2024-05-10 06:36:27	predicament	thats right, fuck
2024-05-10 06:36:34	predicament	ohhh my God :P
2024-05-10 06:36:55	predicament	gotta type that again :P
2024-05-10 06:38:01	edu4rdshl	Just install the AUR ackages no?
2024-05-10 06:38:17	rcf	Indeed. 
2024-05-10 06:39:55	predicament	here we go again.
2024-05-10 06:40:03	predicament	now i sudo'd :P
2024-05-10 06:40:55	predicament	another fata library error, annoying
2024-05-10 06:41:14	edu4rdshl	You're on fire
2024-05-10 06:41:16	predicament	most hooks are being skipped because chroot
2024-05-10 06:41:29	edu4rdshl	yeah, that's normal
2024-05-10 06:41:32	predicament	i know
2024-05-10 06:41:45	predicament	not worried or anything
2024-05-10 06:42:06	predicament	its dkmsing and im waiting for snapd
2024-05-10 06:42:42	predicament	restart crone libc
2024-05-10 06:42:49	predicament	cronie*
2024-05-10 06:43:32	predicament	reinstalling AUR now
2024-05-10 06:43:41	predicament	4 pkgs.
2024-05-10 06:43:56	predicament	biggest is snapd
2024-05-10 06:44:19	predicament	what thte hell, errors occurred, no packages were upgraded...
2024-05-10 06:44:25	predicament	come the fuck on
2024-05-10 06:45:29	edu4rdshl	Conflicting files?
2024-05-10 06:45:31	edu4rdshl	:p
2024-05-10 06:45:58	predicament	snapd.. had a flood of
2024-05-10 06:45:58	predicament	snapd: /usr/src/debug/snapd/snapd-2.62/cmd/libsnap-confine-private/locking.h exists in filesystem
2024-05-10 06:46:07	predicament	and many many other files, fills up the screen.
2024-05-10 06:46:09	edu4rdshl	Expected
2024-05-10 06:46:26	edu4rdshl	Add --overwrite='*' to your paru command
2024-05-10 06:46:47	edu4rdshl	Explanation: pacman wasn't able to update the files database for these packages dues to the freeze
2024-05-10 06:46:47	predicament	oh yeah
2024-05-10 06:46:51	predicament	--overwrite
2024-05-10 06:46:54	predicament	thank you
2024-05-10 06:47:40	predicament	oprion --overwrite expects a value
2024-05-10 06:47:53	edu4rdshl	I put the value :)
2024-05-10 06:47:55	predicament	i added it to the end of the long line
2024-05-10 06:48:14	predicament	then tried removing the -
2024-05-10 06:48:37	predicament	oh
2024-05-10 06:48:46	predicament	i didnt see that.
2024-05-10 06:49:29	predicament	reinstalling, again.
2024-05-10 06:54:40	predicament	finished installing
2024-05-10 06:54:43	predicament	finally.
2024-05-10 06:57:37	predicament	booted
2024-05-10 06:57:46	predicament	and yes the snap.d fiel was there
2024-05-10 06:57:50	predicament	i made sure.
2024-05-10 06:57:52	rcf	Successfully?
2024-05-10 06:57:57	predicament	Thank you guys
2024-05-10 06:57:59	predicament	yes
2024-05-10 06:58:02	predicament	its at my gui
2024-05-10 06:58:10	predicament	my dad's
2024-05-10 06:58:10	kqak	Hello #archlinux!  I set up a swapfile on my laptop last year but I find I need to resize it.  Is the correct procedure to remove the swapfile then create a new one?
2024-05-10 06:58:20	predicament	!next
2024-05-10 06:58:21	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2024-05-10 06:59:56	edu4rdshl	kqak yes
2024-05-10 07:00:25	kqak	edu4rdshl: Great, thanks very much!
2024-05-10 07:00:31	edu4rdshl	make sure to swap off and all first
2024-05-10 07:00:38	rcf	predicament: congratulations 
2024-05-10 07:00:49	kqak	edu4rdshl: Understood.
2024-05-10 07:01:23	edu4rdshl	predicament nice!
2024-05-10 07:17:38	predicament	thanks guys
2024-05-10 07:18:11	predicament	especially edu4rdshl
2024-05-10 07:19:34	predicament	came in here when i was high, usualy means trouble but this time it seemss i was able to do minimal stuff
2024-05-10 07:19:52	virtualsid	lmao
2024-05-10 07:20:08	predicament	:P
2024-05-10 07:20:15	predicament	what i had a cookie
2024-05-10 07:20:26	virtualsid	sugar high, got it ;)
2024-05-10 07:20:40	predicament	i do now
2024-05-10 07:21:03	predicament	thc cookie
2024-05-10 07:21:17	predicament	it was a peanut butter one
2024-05-10 07:21:38	predicament	and i used a straom ca;;ed fatsp
2024-05-10 07:21:53	predicament	70 indica 30 sativa.
2024-05-10 07:22:06	predicament	anyway.
2024-05-10 07:22:12	virtualsid	I have no idea wtf any of that is
2024-05-10 07:22:23	predicament	thx 
2024-05-10 07:22:37	predicament	thc*
2024-05-10 07:22:42	predicament	geez.
2024-05-10 07:23:42	Dworin	it's offtopic is what it is.
2024-05-10 07:24:18	predicament	well i said "anyway" for a reason
2024-05-10 07:24:20	predicament	sorry
2024-05-10 07:27:43	predicament	did you have that memorized edu4rdshl
2024-05-10 07:29:45	predicament	i'm making an omeltte. back in a few.
2024-05-10 07:50:51	predicament	that aas good
2024-05-10 09:12:53	Gnana	using pauvcontrol to full the volume can break the speacker?
2024-05-10 09:12:56	Gnana	or its ok ?
2024-05-10 09:55:11	arseru	gm all, does anybody know an alternative tool for caffeine-ng[aur]? I keep trying to install it but getting the error No module named 'caffeine'
2024-05-10 10:00:06	edu4rdshl	predicament, memorized what
2024-05-10 10:00:35	edu4rdshl	Gnana, break no butit will not sound good tho
2024-05-10 10:00:57	aldcor	bro speaking alien language
2024-05-10 10:01:44	edu4rdshl	Gnana, break no, but it will not sound good, tho *
2024-05-10 10:01:46	edu4rdshl	:p
2024-05-10 10:01:54	edu4rdshl	arseru, how are you trying to install it?
2024-05-10 10:02:29	aldcor	(my mistake anyway.. i didn't realize Gnana is nickname :D )
2024-05-10 10:03:03	aldcor	rather - I realized after I made my comment :)
2024-05-10 10:05:33	aldcor	` yay -S caffeine ` works for me
2024-05-10 10:06:23	edu4rdshl	`paru -S caffeine-ng` works too
2024-05-10 10:06:35	edu4rdshl	Looks like someone forgot to rebuild its AUR packages 
2024-05-10 10:06:43	aldcor	 /o\
2024-05-10 10:13:50	arseru	edu4rdshl I'm using aurutils - how do I rebuild? maybe it's some aurutils cache
2024-05-10 10:15:52	edu4rdshl	I have no idea about aurutils
2024-05-10 10:16:28	aldcor	biased take but `just use yay` :)
2024-05-10 10:17:45	edu4rdshl	aldcor, just use paru, because you know, it's written in Rust! :p
2024-05-10 10:18:26	aldcor	i might try it, i have language favorites.. go or rust, all good to me :)
2024-05-10 10:18:31	aldcor	i have no*
2024-05-10 10:18:55	Dworin	aur build -f I think
2024-05-10 10:19:40	Dworin	you may want to add some logic to rebuild everything that's python
2024-05-10 10:20:32	edu4rdshl	aldcor, it was just a joke. Anyways, paru and yay are almost 1:1 compatible
2024-05-10 10:20:43	edu4rdshl	They do have almost the same flags
2024-05-10 10:21:10	aldcor	gotcha, however `yay` sounds happier :D
2024-05-10 10:21:45	demonicmaniac1	arseru: aur build -f name i think?
2024-05-10 10:21:57	demonicmaniac1	to force a rebuild of a package that has no update in aur
2024-05-10 10:22:06	bluetail	aldcor u can even yay -Syu
2024-05-10 10:22:09	demonicmaniac1	edu4rdshl: aldcor: wouldn't work in his case because "package already built"
2024-05-10 10:22:18	edu4rdshl	demonicmaniac1, --rebuild
2024-05-10 10:22:20	demonicmaniac1	it's just python version change i assume
2024-05-10 10:22:38	edu4rdshl	paru does have a --rebuild flag
2024-05-10 10:22:39	demonicmaniac1	edu4rdshl: i know just saying the issue is forcing a rebuild when the pkgbuild has no bump
2024-05-10 10:22:55	demonicmaniac1	yay/pikaur/etc all have, for aurutils it's build -f
2024-05-10 10:23:09	aldcor	 /o\
2024-05-10 10:23:33	demonicmaniac1	oh i missed Dworin already saying it derp
2024-05-10 10:23:41	astralc	aurutils have sync-rebuild script in examples
2024-05-10 10:24:37	demonicmaniac1	technically aurutils just uses checkrebuild which by default only handles .so names and not changed directories like python upgrades etc - i think
2024-05-10 10:24:58	astralc	checkrebuild also check python
2024-05-10 10:25:13	kode54	aldcor: maybe run pacman -Qo /usr/lib/python3.11
2024-05-10 10:25:28	demonicmaniac1	astralc: oh my bad only the pacman hook doesn't then i guess
2024-05-10 10:26:01	aldcor	kode54: i think you meant arseru (other user)
2024-05-10 10:26:07	kode54	oops
2024-05-10 10:26:24	kode54	I wasn’t paying enough attention to see who needed it
2024-05-10 10:26:38	aldcor	maybe I need it too :o
2024-05-10 10:27:08	kode54	everyone who runs aur python packages needed it when 3.12 came out
2024-05-10 10:27:41	kode54	silly me I had packages that predated my switch from paru to yay
2024-05-10 10:27:55	kode54	(I wiped the paru cache folder)
2024-05-10 10:28:31	kode54	I keep meaning to switch to aurutils 
2024-05-10 10:28:41	aldcor	sorry for offtopic but I notice 1.4k users in this channel. Could this be biggest linux distro channel? Even ubuntu and gentoo have less people in channel.
2024-05-10 10:29:21	kode54	their official support discussions probably aren’t irc, either
2024-05-10 10:29:39	astralc	it is just irc? ubuntu have lot of other channels
2024-05-10 10:29:54	kode54	arch also has a huge matrix chat, though I don’t know how official it is
2024-05-10 10:30:02	astralc	maybe it prove arch users don't have life! /s
2024-05-10 10:30:09	kode54	lol
2024-05-10 10:30:39	aldcor	life?! what is that?
2024-05-10 10:31:10	glitsj16	a notion that went out of style?
2024-05-10 10:31:43	glitsj16	hi NetSysFire, nice seeing you
2024-05-10 10:31:51	Dworin	arch has the bbs (forum)
2024-05-10 10:32:06	glitsj16	grass? the kind that grows from the ground up?
2024-05-10 10:32:52	glitsj16	i'll have to reconfigure my IRC client in that case, you're green all over :D
2024-05-10 10:33:32	aldcor	if it's sunny outside I pull down the curtains so that sun doesn't ruin my vision of a monitor
2024-05-10 10:33:35	demonicmaniac1	aldcor: there's also the point that the installer at least used to have irssi preconfigured to connect here for support. might have been freenode before this channel was +r so anybody could join tho been a while :D
2024-05-10 10:34:44	glitsj16	NetSysFire: i do actually, never could figure out why that's happening
2024-05-10 10:34:58	aldcor	demonicmaniac1: oh, i had no idea.. free distro advertising? :)
2024-05-10 10:35:27	demonicmaniac1	aldcor: didn't autoconnect on booting installer but the option to get help directly from the install image
2024-05-10 10:35:30	glitsj16	NetSysFire: heh, well, postponing isn't a bad thing usually
2024-05-10 10:36:08	aldcor	it is good idea tho as one might get best solution for their problem
2024-05-10 10:36:24	aldcor	like.. use more vitamin D or try to evade sunrays
2024-05-10 10:36:40	glitsj16	NetSysFire: realizing it's been a while, have you considered updating your issue?
2024-05-10 10:37:13	glitsj16	with a reminder to devs that this is still a potential bug
2024-05-10 10:37:17	glitsj16	:-)
2024-05-10 10:37:40	glitsj16	take care, i'll have a look at that issue
2024-05-10 10:37:45	glitsj16	see ya!
2024-05-10 10:40:09	glitsj16	NetSysFire: i wonder if it might be related to https://github.com/netblue30/firejail/pull/6307
2024-05-10 10:41:14	glitsj16	we've had a change in that part of the code, so perhaps a good time to try the firejail-git and revisit
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2024-05-10 19:17:08	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-10 19:17:12	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-05-10 19:20:15	rarebird15	Hi all. So I finally managed to install Arch, but I stupidly, forgot to install the packages that would allow me as a blind user to access it with speech and Braille. I need to get logged in and connected to the internet.
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2024-05-10 19:21:09	edu4rdshl	predicament, I don't have that memorized but I know how each tool work so it isn't hard to get that command
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2024-05-10 19:21:33	edu4rdshl	In fact, I never used paclog really but knew that it exists
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2024-05-10 19:43:49	dsd	Hello Arch Community.
2024-05-10 19:44:03	mpan	Hello, dsd.
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2024-05-10 19:44:28	luna_	hi
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2024-05-10 19:44:54	dsd	which one is latest ISO file  archlinux-2024.05.01-x86_64.iso or archlinux-x86_64.iso both have same modified date 05/01/2024, 05:06:42 PM
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2024-05-10 19:45:17	mpan	dsd: where did you find the latter?
2024-05-10 19:45:26	mpan	(it should only be the former)
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2024-05-10 19:45:42	dsd	mpan sorry what?
2024-05-10 19:45:55	mpan	dsd: where did you find “archlinux-x86_64.iso” mentioned?
2024-05-10 19:46:27	Scimmia	they're exactly the same thing
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2024-05-10 19:46:34	dsd	it is found in every ISO mirror
2024-05-10 19:46:37	Scimmia	the later is just a symlink to the former
2024-05-10 19:46:55	mpan	dsd: they are just linking to the latest one, for convenience.
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2024-05-10 19:47:16	dsd	so both are same
2024-05-10 19:47:17	mpan	One is a name with explicit version, the other stands for “latest”.
2024-05-10 19:47:19	mpan	yes
2024-05-10 19:47:35	dsd	thanks
2024-05-10 19:48:17	mpan	Consider an URL like <$mirror/iso/latest/archlinux-x86_64.iso> to see why such symlink exists.
2024-05-10 19:49:10	dsd	i don't know i am an average user
2024-05-10 19:49:32	dsd	dont know what is symlink etc
2024-05-10 19:49:52	mpan	Then assume it’s just the name. The point is: it will always be the same for the most recent ISO, no matter what it is. 
2024-05-10 19:50:04	mpan	And one can always refer to it by the same name.
2024-05-10 19:50:43	dsd	Right
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2024-05-10 19:52:31	dsd	i will use mifi 4g device(usb cable plug play) cause i failed to connect wlan many time  install
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2024-05-10 19:53:36	dsd	tried*
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2024-05-10 20:03:23	gehidore	Oh neat, how long has that symlink existed?
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2024-05-10 20:09:29	Foxboron	Scimmia: well, you could have told them that there are two cpios concated. One uncompressed and one compressed
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2024-05-10 20:33:41	Metroid	what would be the correct channel to ask about committing to a package on Arch's gitlab ?
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2024-05-10 20:40:44	sweatiest	Metroid: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/General_guidelines#Packaging_merge_requests
2024-05-10 20:40:45	phrik	Title: General guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-10 20:42:59	Metroid	thank you
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2024-05-10 22:08:26	Murray7501	whats up with perldoc using more even though I have PAGE='less' in .bashrc ?
2024-05-10 22:08:38	Murray7501	PAGER*
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2024-05-10 22:10:11	tirnanog	what does "declare -p PERLDOC_PAGER MANPAGER PAGER" print?
2024-05-10 22:10:29	mkoskar	ye, you have prob MANGER set
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2024-05-10 22:10:40	tirnanog	(exactly)
2024-05-10 22:10:50	tirnanog	I mean, what does it print exactly. it could be a few different things.
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2024-05-10 22:12:35	rasmusblack	hey all. new to arch, coming from gentoo. pretty experienced but i haven't used linux in a long, long time lol. followed the installation handbook to install into a virtualbox VM and GRUB just dumped me into a prompt. not sure what to do now.
2024-05-10 22:13:01	mpan	rasmusblack: start with any errors you get.
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2024-05-10 22:13:24	mpan	(don’t assume I will be able to answer; but this is the basic info)
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2024-05-10 22:13:46	gromit	rasmusblack: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide#Post-installation
2024-05-10 22:13:47	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-10 22:13:56	rasmusblack	no errors, it just says it loaded grubx64.efi 
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2024-05-10 22:14:31	rasmusblack	ls seems to list my partitions but it isn't booting anything
2024-05-10 22:15:03	gromit	rasmusblack: did you configure grub? (i.e. grub-mkconfig -o ...)
2024-05-10 22:15:49	mpan	Also: is any kernel installed?
2024-05-10 22:16:02	mpan	(the linux package, or similar)
2024-05-10 22:16:05	rasmusblack	i ran grub-install
2024-05-10 22:16:20	mpan	Was the boot partition mounted, when you did it?
2024-05-10 22:16:22	rasmusblack	i'm not sure if a kernel is installed or not, i just followed the guide
2024-05-10 22:16:27	rasmusblack	yes it was mounted
2024-05-10 22:17:10	rasmusblack	i never configured the kernel i was kinda curious about that. i assumed it was pre-installed cos i was never given any instructions to install one
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2024-05-10 22:17:59	tirnanog	that doesn't answer the question, though: did you run grub-mkconfig (as described by https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB).
2024-05-10 22:18:11	mpan	Regarding kernel, that part: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide#Install_essential_packages
2024-05-10 22:18:12	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-10 22:18:14	rasmusblack	yeah, i did that. it never reported any errors
2024-05-10 22:18:25	mpan	The pacstrap command includes the linux package.
2024-05-10 22:18:42	rasmusblack	ah. so it should've installed a kernel then.
2024-05-10 22:18:58	rasmusblack	i ran the pacstrap command and it finished with no errors
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2024-05-10 22:19:29	mpan	hmm
2024-05-10 22:19:48	mpan	(we are just checking common mistakes)
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2024-05-10 22:20:05	rasmusblack	maybe i gave it the wrong efi directory??
2024-05-10 22:20:21	rasmusblack	i chose /boot for simplicity and thats where i mounted my boot partition
2024-05-10 22:21:18	rasmusblack	i know grub-install is notorious for not reporting errors so its possible it screwed up somehow and didn't tell me
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2024-05-10 22:22:11	mpan	grub-install appears to be working, given you are dropped into grub console.
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2024-05-10 22:22:23	mpan	What about grub-mkconfig?
2024-05-10 22:22:30	rasmusblack	yeah, i ran that
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2024-05-10 22:22:37	mpan	I mean… no errors?
2024-05-10 22:22:45	rasmusblack	nope
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2024-05-10 22:23:44	rasmusblack	i'm trying to reboot into the livecd but it just keeps loading my broken grub lol
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2024-05-10 22:24:49	sweatiest	Press del or another key to enter the firmware config on boot and change the boot order to boot the device that contains your livecd first
2024-05-10 22:25:04	tirnanog	or find the key that brings up the EFI boot menu, if there is one.
2024-05-10 22:25:18	rasmusblack	i'm running it thru virtualbox
2024-05-10 22:25:23	tirnanog	oh, right.
2024-05-10 22:25:34	tirnanog	that's easy enough to contend with then.
2024-05-10 22:25:40	rasmusblack	it's ignoring the cd and booting the drive for some reason
2024-05-10 22:25:54	rasmusblack	i apologize, i don't have a lot of experience with virtualbox lol
2024-05-10 22:26:07	tirnanog	because it falls back to putting the hdd first after booting optical media initially, probably (for 'convenience').
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2024-05-10 22:26:23	rasmusblack	i figured lol
2024-05-10 22:26:24	tirnanog	is it in UEFI mode?
2024-05-10 22:26:51	rasmusblack	i think so? i enabled it in the virtualbox settings
2024-05-10 22:26:55	tirnanog	try Esc then.
2024-05-10 22:27:02	tirnanog	if that doesn't work, adjust the VM settings.
2024-05-10 22:27:16	rasmusblack	maybe if i disconnect the drive
2024-05-10 22:27:16	tirnanog	that is, spam Esc a few times while its going through POST.
2024-05-10 22:27:31	tirnanog	disconnecting the drive is not going to be conducive to the troubleshooting process, and is unnecessary.
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2024-05-10 22:28:51	rasmusblack	i'll be right back actually. this is giving me a migraine lol. i'm gonna take a break. brb
2024-05-10 22:29:15	tirnanog	it should be Esc for EFI mode, F12 for BIOS mode.
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2024-05-10 22:32:23	tirnanog	also, if it still doesn't work after choosing to boot from "CD-ROM", virtualbox may have virtually ejected the media. in that case, you can virtually attach and/or re-insert the image again in the VM settings.
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2024-05-10 22:37:09	friendlyanon	Hey, does one still use rTorrent for a torrent client that can be automated on a headless server? I would assume I should also go with rtorrent-git via yay if rTorrent is the one to use.
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2024-05-10 22:38:47	kode54	oops
2024-05-10 22:38:57	another|	Use whatever suits your needs best
2024-05-10 22:39:08	kode54	I think maybe they forgot to generate the grub config
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2024-05-10 22:39:15	tirnanog	some people use transmission for that, also (it can run truly headless).
2024-05-10 22:39:19	kode54	install doesn't generate a config
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2024-05-10 22:39:43	another|	kode54: most likely, yes
2024-05-10 22:40:02	◥	JayBeeFOSS (~JayBeeFOS@user/JayBeeFOSS) has joined #archlinux
2024-05-10 22:40:37	tirnanog	one thing's for certain: booting without a hard drive attached wouldn't help in the course of finding out.
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2024-05-10 22:47:30	kode54	oh damn
2024-05-10 22:48:12	bswartz	Just because the machine is headless doesn't mean you can't run a GUI. vncserver is a thing
2024-05-10 22:48:18	bswartz	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/TigerVNC
2024-05-10 22:48:20	phrik	Title: TigerVNC - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-10 22:49:22	jkhsjdhjs	hey, I just installed a sata controller PCI card that consists of one ASM1812 packet switch and 5x ASM1064 SATA controllers, with 4 ports each. I cannot really get it to work unfortunately, as I constantly "ata revalidation failed" or "async page read" errors. sometimes the system doesn't boot with the HDDs + controller connected, sometimes the system crashes completely when reloading udev.
2024-05-10 22:49:24	jkhsjdhjs	however, sometimes it boots fine with all drives, and all drives are successfully detected and I can interact with them. I'm not sure whether the controller is defective or not, might just be an incompatibility. do you know any ahci/sata kernel parameters I can try that might help?
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2024-05-10 22:59:20	tirnanog	jkhsjdhjs: I have a vague recollection of some controllers being upset by certain forms of power or link management modes. however, all of this was a long, long time ago and may well be irrelevant in your case (as you say, it could just be defective). run the question by #kernel, perhaps?
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2024-05-10 23:00:57	jkhsjdhjs	I hoped that someone already experienced such issues with similar controllers, so thanks for your reply! I'll ask this question again in #kernel
2024-05-10 23:01:28	tirnanog	yeah. I don't know anything about that controller, personally.
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2024-05-10 23:03:04	friendlyanon	tirnanog: Damn, transmission seems perfect for what I want to do. To think what used to be that dinky default GUI torrent client on Ubuntu becomes so useful now :D
2024-05-10 23:03:48	tirnanog	friendlyanon: it has some pretty decent front-ends, too.
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2024-05-10 23:04:10	teraflops	friendlyanon: I run a docker image of rutorrent
2024-05-10 23:04:22	friendlyanon	I won't need that, transmission-remote offers everything I need.
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2024-05-10 23:10:02	vasko	Can't wait for the archlinux ports starting to pushing packages :)
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2024-05-10 23:18:14	bswartz	jkhsjdhjs: I bought half a dozen of those cards long ago. I had constant issues that I could never fully isolate
2024-05-10 23:18:21	bswartz	They're not worth the trouble IMO
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2024-05-10 23:20:35	jkhsjdhjs	damn, just bought one of these. currently trying truenas, which is freebsd based, so I can at least narrow down the issue to either the card or the linux drivers.
2024-05-10 23:20:56	jkhsjdhjs	bswartz: can you recommend any other sata cards with that many ports?
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2024-05-10 23:21:27	tirnanog	jkhsjdhjs: incidentally, it's libata.force=nolpm to disable link power management from the outset - in case you'd like to try it anyway. see https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html for more.
2024-05-10 23:21:27	phrik	Title: The kernel’s command-line parameters — The Linux Kernel documentation (at www.kernel.org)
2024-05-10 23:22:09	bswartz	I think the whole SATA port multiplier ecosystem is rotten. I had better luck with USB drive enclosures for connecting large numbers of external drives
2024-05-10 23:22:41	bswartz	For large number of internal drives, just give each drive a dedicated SATA port, and you can use SATA expander cards that don't rely on port multiplication
2024-05-10 23:23:00	bswartz	Also make sure your power supplies are rock solid. Most SATA issues I've seen are power related
2024-05-10 23:23:06	jkhsjdhjs	ASM1064 aren't port multipliers, they're real sata controllers
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2024-05-10 23:23:30	jkhsjdhjs	tirnanog: thank you very much for searching the parameter! I'll definitely try it
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2024-05-10 23:24:28	bswartz	What's the "ASM1812 packet switch" you referred to?
2024-05-10 23:25:05	jkhsjdhjs	it's the PCIe uplink for the individual ASM1064
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2024-05-10 23:25:19	bswartz	Oh it's a PCIe switch ?
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2024-05-10 23:25:46	jkhsjdhjs	yep
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2024-05-10 23:26:18	bswartz	Okay in that case I'd be suspicious of low quality SATA power cables to the drives. I've had drives that acted funky until I replaced the power cable with a less janky one
2024-05-10 23:27:15	jkhsjdhjs	hmm, the drives work fine on the integrated SATA ports of the port, so I don't think that's it
2024-05-10 23:27:24	jkhsjdhjs	eehh *board
2024-05-10 23:27:26	jkhsjdhjs	not port
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2024-05-10 23:55:10	jkhsjdhjs	hmm, seems to work fine with TrueNAS / FreeBSD, so the controllers are definitely functional. will try disabling link power management next
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2024-05-11 00:23:12	jkhsjdhjs	alright, disabling lpm didn't help unfortunately. I'll now try disabling more and more libata features until it hopefully works
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2024-05-11 00:33:20	throstur	don't forget to remove gcc12 today lads
2024-05-11 00:34:19	mpan	throstur: for the record:
2024-05-11 00:34:22	mpan	!give throstur gcc12
2024-05-11 00:34:23	phrik	throstur: Please see https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2170282#p2170282
2024-05-11 00:34:30	throstur	I know lol I'm ages behind
2024-05-11 00:34:31	mpan	(in case you need it)
2024-05-11 00:34:56	throstur	good to know!
2024-05-11 00:35:13	throstur	ah rats, forgot to aur sync first and my alacritty broke again
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2024-05-11 00:45:53	MacGyver	throstur: Why is your alacritty dependent on aur sync?
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2024-05-11 00:47:07	throstur	I was mistaken, I probably just need to restart
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2024-05-11 00:48:45	BertoX	good morning here ! :)
2024-05-11 00:49:41	zxrom	BertoX, It's midnight!
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2024-05-11 00:51:06	mpan	!give zxrom ugt
2024-05-11 00:51:07	phrik	zxrom: http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
2024-05-11 00:51:12	mpan	BertoX: hello.
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2024-05-11 00:52:43	zxrom	mpan, LOL!
2024-05-11 00:52:57	zxrom	I got it :D
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2024-05-11 00:57:08	kode54	MacGyver: if they're running the -git version
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2024-05-11 01:22:41	BoBeR182	gcc13: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/lib/libgcc_s.so exists in filesystem (owned by gcc12)
2024-05-11 01:22:46	BoBeR182	what's the fix for this?
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2024-05-11 01:34:10	mpan	!give BertoX gcc12
2024-05-11 01:34:11	phrik	BertoX: Please see https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2170282#p2170282
2024-05-11 01:34:12	mpan	ARGH
2024-05-11 01:34:23	mpan	!give BoBeR182 gcc12
2024-05-11 01:34:24	phrik	BoBeR182: Please see https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2170282#p2170282
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2024-05-11 01:37:07	kode54	I don't even have gcc13 installed
2024-05-11 01:37:25	kode54	didn't have 12 for anything either after "gcc" became 13
2024-05-11 01:37:32	mpan	kode54: it’s needed by some packages. So was gcc12.
2024-05-11 01:37:35	kode54	I know
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2024-05-11 01:38:19	kode54	more "please pay attention to Arch news feed when updating"
2024-05-11 01:38:48	mpan	Was it in the news feed?
2024-05-11 01:38:56	kode54	oh
2024-05-11 01:38:58	kode54	was it not?
2024-05-11 01:39:21	kode54	ah, nope
2024-05-11 01:39:31	kode54	guess I just count this chat too
2024-05-11 01:39:34	mpan	Not as far as I know. The link above is to my own post, which answers the issue in suitable detail.
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2024-05-11 01:46:57	kode54	interesting line about periodically running pacman -Qdt
2024-05-11 01:47:02	kode54	> pacman -Qdt | wc -l
2024-05-11 01:47:02	kode54	454
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2024-05-11 01:58:46	demonicmaniac1	i should probably reinstall some stuff as explicit to make my Qdt empty
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2024-05-11 13:12:21	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-11 13:12:21	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1464 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1463 regular)
2024-05-11 02:18:56	wy584z67	the new conky package 1.20.2-1 is giving bunch of "conky: can't parse hex color" errors. Rolled back to the older version 1.20.2-1.  Xfce.  Not sure if anyone else noticed this?  
2024-05-11 02:21:11	kode54	it would have to be your config, then
2024-05-11 02:21:12	wy584z67	sorry..should read "Rolled back to 1.19.7-2"
2024-05-11 02:50:44	wy584z67	kode54: Still, it works fine in the old version, so something to do with the new package?
2024-05-11 02:50:58	kode54	Not sure
2024-05-11 02:51:24	kode54	What hex colors do you use, anyway?
2024-05-11 02:52:28	wy584z67	white/grey/lightgrey
2024-05-11 02:53:35	wy584z67	it's actually the default config file generated when you do "conky -C"
2024-05-11 02:54:06	tirnanog	https://github.com/brndnmtthws/conky/issues/1868
2024-05-11 02:55:51	kode54	Apparently arch builds it without gperf
2024-05-11 02:55:53	glitsj16	wy584z67: conky 1.19.7 had a buffer overflow issue
2024-05-11 02:56:17	kode54	gperf is needed for color name parsing
2024-05-11 02:58:33	kode54	I’ll file a packaging bug
2024-05-11 02:58:44	wy584z67	kode54: installed gperf, still the same issue.
2024-05-11 02:59:04	kode54	It’s a compile time requiremnt
2024-05-11 02:59:10	tirnanog	it's not enough just to install it.
2024-05-11 02:59:18	wy584z67	ah ok..got it.
2024-05-11 03:00:02	wy584z67	Ok then, I'll roll it back to the old version and stay put for now.  How do I make sure it doesn't get upgraded going forward?  Sorry new to arch, Debian has pinning packages.
2024-05-11 03:00:45	tirnanog	you can use IgnorePkg in pacman.conf. just don't forget about it for too long.
2024-05-11 03:00:46	wy584z67	pacman -Syu keeps offering conky upgrade
2024-05-11 03:01:13	glitsj16	wy584z67: the better way to proceed is to clone the packaging files, add gperf to makedepends and rebuild
2024-05-11 03:01:48	glitsj16	rolling back to a version with a buffer overflow issue doesn't make sense
2024-05-11 03:02:47	wy584z67	glitsj16: Thanks.  buffer overflow wasn't bothering me THAT much as the conky window was tolerable.  Now it is RED all over and hurting my eyes.
2024-05-11 03:02:54	tirnanog	also, someone would ideally inform the packager (but it's not going to me).
2024-05-11 03:02:58	tirnanog	to be*
2024-05-11 03:03:00	glitsj16	and you'll be able to determine if that really does fix your issue
2024-05-11 03:06:44	kode54	I reported it to packaging 
2024-05-11 03:06:54	kode54	with a link to the upstream bug 
2024-05-11 03:07:07	tirnanog	cool. thanks.
2024-05-11 03:07:13	wy584z67	kode54: Thanks.  I too emailed Antonio Rojas.
2024-05-11 03:07:33	wy584z67	Not sure if email is the right way to report?
2024-05-11 03:08:06	kode54	If you have a gitlab.archlinux.org account, there’s the packaging issues page for the exact package
2024-05-11 03:08:43	wy584z67	naah..don't have the gitlab account.
2024-05-11 03:08:54	glitsj16	ask for one
2024-05-11 03:09:03	glitsj16	osn't very complicated
2024-05-11 03:09:09	glitsj16	*isn't
2024-05-11 03:09:30	kode54	It’s an arch single sign on account, which I derived from my aur account
2024-05-11 03:09:45	kode54	or at least, it imported from that
2024-05-11 03:09:58	kode54	didn’t replace the aur account 
2024-05-11 03:10:52	rarebird15	Hi all. I installed KDE Plasma as my desktop environment, but Orca, the screen reader that handles graphical stuff, isn't working, and I'd like to be able to go back to the TTY where I have a console screen reader that can help me figure this out. How can I do this? I need the terninal, not an emulator. Pressing ctrl+alt+a function key just takes me to another KDE desktop session where it w
2024-05-11 03:10:52	rarebird15	ants me to login.
2024-05-11 03:14:05	kode54	rarebird15: try ctrl alt f3 or f4
2024-05-11 03:14:40	kode54	for some reason, the last time I tried plasma, it shoved SDDM into f2 and ran itself in f3
2024-05-11 03:15:32	kode54	leaving my f1 unallocated, and f4 and higher still at getty 
2024-05-11 03:15:53	kode54	I hope you can read this
2024-05-11 03:16:01	rarebird15	Oh, okay, that worked. I only tried ctrl, altogether, and f2.
2024-05-11 03:16:33	kode54	somehow it spawned sddm in tty2, and logged into the desktop in tty3
2024-05-11 03:17:43	kode54	I hope you manage to get Orca working eventuallu
2024-05-11 03:17:47	kode54	*eventually
2024-05-11 03:22:02	rarebird15	Thanks.
2024-05-11 03:59:07	rarebird15	Apparently the connection to at-spi-dbus-daemon is being refused. I'm not sure how to fix this. Does anyone have any suggestions?
2024-05-11 04:04:29	rcf	rip
2024-05-11 04:13:08	archdemon	poor guy
2024-05-11 04:36:56	kode54	oh god
2024-05-11 04:37:02	kode54	that conky issue wasn't hitting me
2024-05-11 04:37:10	kode54	because I had installed it with pacman -S conky
2024-05-11 04:37:37	kode54	the update to 1.20.2 hadn't hit my local index yet
2024-05-11 04:37:53	kode54	yeah, the complete defaults with no config whatsoever are broken on 1.20.2
2024-05-11 04:38:17	⚡ 	rcf only uses it as a status line generator and so is safe
2024-05-11 04:38:30	rcf	jI hope 
2024-05-11 04:38:49	kode54	it only depends on if you're using names for colors instead of hex tuples
2024-05-11 04:39:07	kode54	the default config happens to use colors like 'white' and 'lightgrey'
2024-05-11 04:39:16	rcf	In this case I use no color at all 
2024-05-11 04:39:27	rcf	That's for swaybar to decide 
2024-05-11 04:42:27	kode54	yeah, verified, gperf is only a makedep
2024-05-11 04:44:05	rcf	Makes sense, given that it is a code generator 
2024-05-11 04:50:21	rcf	kode54: also upstream noticed this as well https://github.com/brndnmtthws/conky/commit/10045ab9f1ecb30ca2ea01bb5e2d98829e9372be
2024-05-11 04:54:59	demonicmaniac1	this is a difficult one. i don't think conky is at fault, that could have been caught by packagers. maybe a test harness and clearer warning for a failed test on the default config
2024-05-11 05:00:59	kode54	oh right, duh
2024-05-11 05:01:06	kode54	gperf generates hash table testing code
2024-05-11 05:01:17	kode54	for fixed string comparisons
2024-05-11 05:01:26	rcf	demonicmaniac1: the commit I linked turns the (fairly clear) warning into a proper error going forward. They also added a build config option to disable the color names if you really dislike gperf for some reason. I'd agree they're not all that much at fault, given that they did update their documentation to specify gperf. 
2024-05-11 05:01:47	rcf	But who reads that stuff anyway 
2024-05-11 05:01:49	kode54	lol
2024-05-11 05:01:55	kode54	packagers well should
2024-05-11 05:02:13	rcf	Who among us is not guilty of forgetting an optional dependency that we actually need? 
2024-05-11 05:08:14	kode54	I am guilty
2024-05-11 05:08:33	kode54	meanwhile, package I maintain will perpetually set off checkrebuild
2024-05-11 05:08:55	kode54	because it imports a .so from its prefix folders
2024-05-11 05:13:59	demonicmaniac1	rcf: heh
2024-05-11 06:24:31	rcf	INdeed, that would just sort out the menu entry issues 
2024-05-11 06:26:10	rcf	ldiamond: if I were being fancy I'd suggest a pacman hook to create the snapshots, and then copying the kernel and initramfs renamed to that snapshot. 
2024-05-11 07:54:16	sweatiest	I wonder why wine 9.8-2 crashes and wine 9.8-1 doesn't when the only change I see is https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/wine/-/commit/347a82fa38a30acd5ea8c486115c294ffbe390d3
2024-05-11 07:54:17	phrik	Title: Apply flags for cross-compilation (347a82fa) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / wine · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-11 07:57:36	demonicmaniac1	sweatiest: gcc change between those?
2024-05-11 07:58:04	demonicmaniac1	could be a gcc14 regression or something
2024-05-11 08:00:16	sweatiest	yes upgraded gcc between
2024-05-11 08:54:05	kode54	sweatiest: there are known issues with wine and gcc 14.1.0
2024-05-11 08:54:34	kode54	bonus, the fan favorites like proton also have some of their submodules outright breaking due to warnings and -Werror
2024-05-11 10:15:52	kode54	re: wine, https://github.com/Frogging-Family/wine-tkg-git/issues/1167 this was affected as well
2024-05-11 10:16:40	kode54	not surprising the vanilla wine packages are hit by some effect
2024-05-11 11:12:08	joel135	hello, i'd like to override the bluetooth key (XF86Bluetooth). i did something similar with the XF86Display key in the past and it still works but i forgot where to make the change
2024-05-11 11:14:26	joel135	i think i remember i had to add a separate file for each button i wanted to override. it was sort of like systemctl i think but something else...
2024-05-11 11:28:04	joel135	ah it was `acpi` and `video/switchmode.*` that i used
2024-05-11 11:33:52	joel135	hm, seems like the key isn't available, juding by journalctl output
2024-05-11 12:19:08	raccct	if I need a python module that is not in arch, I use pipx? In pipx should it be automatically available or do I need to activate a particular env?
2024-05-11 12:19:52	jelle	pipx is more for programs
2024-05-11 12:20:15	raccct	jelle: thx for the swift response.
2024-05-11 12:21:04	raccct	I installed a adb-sync from AUR and it depends on a python module. what would be the proper way to install that module if it is not available in arch?
2024-05-11 12:22:58	raccct	(actual pkg is: better-adb-sync-git)
2024-05-11 12:24:59	raccct	Fails with ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'BetterADBSync'
2024-05-11 12:27:35	raccct	So I assume I just need to hand it that module then. Question is what is the proper way to do that in arch? (pip says use pacman -S python-... but it is not available)
2024-05-11 12:34:48	raccct	jelle?
2024-05-11 12:38:15	BrainDamage	it sounds like the module should be provided by the package itself
2024-05-11 12:38:23	BrainDamage	how did you actually install it?
2024-05-11 12:40:07	raccct	paru -S better-adb-sync-git
2024-05-11 12:40:47	raccct	also just reinstalled to confirm. It complains about the module.
2024-05-11 12:42:20	BrainDamage	it sounds like it's not rebuilding it
2024-05-11 12:42:35	BrainDamage	and you probably have a pre 3.12 build
2024-05-11 12:43:14	BrainDamage	( I just tested building and running it here, and it works ok )
2024-05-11 12:44:16	glitsj16	What's the procedure to ask (the package maintainer) a question on a package in the official repo's? I've read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/General_guidelines but that deals with bugs and merge requests if I read it correctly. PS: this is about hexchat, which is unmaintained but there's a active fork that might become a better source for the package.
2024-05-11 12:44:19	phrik	Title: General guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-11 12:45:26	BrainDamage	email and/or bug report
2024-05-11 12:45:50	raccct	BrainDamage: thx for jumping in for help! I found there was an old version installed not via paru and they conflicted. Sorry for the noise.
2024-05-11 12:45:52	glitsj16	allright, thank you BrainDamage 
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2024-05-11 13:56:07	arseru	gm all :) what do you self-host as news feed aggregator? tt-rss? freshRSS? another one?
2024-05-11 13:56:53	arseru	I'm looking to have my own inoreader-like service with android-compatible clients
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2024-05-11 15:14:29	MrDisguised	I typed this line in my /boot/loader/entries/arch.conf file https://files.catbox.moe/qgid9j.jpg but still arch is not booting. It says waiting for 10 secs for /dev/mapper/boot and throws me into an emergency shell 
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2024-05-11 15:18:05	MrDisguised	Where did i go wrong ?
2024-05-11 15:18:54	Foxboron	MrDisguised: What is your mkinitcpio config?
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2024-05-11 15:23:01	MrDisguised	Foxboron: https://paste.rs/JWMkF
2024-05-11 15:24:02	Foxboron	MrDisguised: do you see anything missing there?
2024-05-11 15:24:36	MrDisguised	Resume in hooks section ?
2024-05-11 15:24:50	Foxboron	MrDisguised: Are you dealing with an encrypted partition? Does encrypted partitions need a hook?
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2024-05-11 15:26:03	MrDisguised	Foxboron: i am using encrypted swap so thats why i am using openswap to open my encrypted swap
2024-05-11 15:26:21	MrDisguised	This are my notes https://paste.rs/pnX2p.markdown
2024-05-11 15:26:23	phrik	Title: Markdown | pnX2p | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-05-11 15:26:28	MrDisguised	These *
2024-05-11 15:26:49	MacGyver	MrDisguised: I don't know why you think you need to do that.
2024-05-11 15:27:36	MacGyver	MrDisguised: The shipped hooks have always taken care of it for me.
2024-05-11 15:27:48	Foxboron	MrDisguised: Okay, so the setup is overcomplicated
2024-05-11 15:28:00	Foxboron	but the notes would give you a bootable system, you have not followed the notes though
2024-05-11 15:28:06	Foxboron	reread the mkinitcpio section
2024-05-11 15:28:11	MrDisguised	I made these notes
2024-05-11 15:28:20	Foxboron	MrDisguised: then you need to follow your own notes :p
2024-05-11 15:29:02	Scimmia	MrDisguised: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/System_configuration
2024-05-11 15:29:03	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/System configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-11 15:29:12	MrDisguised	Oh no i forgot to mkinitcpio -P 
2024-05-11 15:29:17	MrDisguised	Nvm
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2024-05-11 15:30:45	MacGyver	Oh probably back then I was just encrypting the entire LUKS device underneath LVM.
2024-05-11 15:31:14	MacGyver	And when I switched to LUKS *on top of* LVM, I also switched to sd-hooks.
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2024-05-11 15:33:39	MrDisguised	Still not working :/
2024-05-11 15:33:42	MacGyver	MrDisguised: FYI a systemd-based initcpio rather than a busybox init, the sd-encrypt hook can take care of this for you.
2024-05-11 15:33:57	MacGyver	MrDisguised: And your HOOKS array doesn't look like it's using anything that *can't* be done by the systemd variant.
2024-05-11 15:34:39	MacGyver	MrDisguised: But, more to the point Foxboron is making.
2024-05-11 15:34:55	MacGyver	MrDisguised: The mkinitcpio.conf you pasted does not have the HOOKS array that is in your notes.
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2024-05-11 15:36:05	Scimmia	MrDisguised: you didn't configure mkinitcpio.conf at all, what did you really expect?
2024-05-11 15:36:33	MrDisguised	Scimmia:  wait a sec I did that was the default mkinitcpio.conf file 
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2024-05-11 15:38:44	MrDisguised	https://paste.rs/YmtSw
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2024-05-11 15:40:22	MacGyver	MrDisguised: How are you able to paste the default mkinitcpio.conf file? Where did you place the file you just pasted with the encrypt and openswap hooks?
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2024-05-11 15:42:35	Scimmia	MrDisguised: and if you're not using the resume hook, why are you unlocking swap in the initramfs?
2024-05-11 15:42:59	MrDisguised	I mount /dev/sda1 in /mnt/boot and /dev/sda3 in /mnt
2024-05-11 15:43:00	Scimmia	oh wait, you are, nm
2024-05-11 15:43:03	MacGyver	Scimmia: They are, right after openswap.
2024-05-11 15:43:11	Scimmia	I had the wrong tab up
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2024-05-11 15:43:25	MacGyver	MrDisguised: In *that* order?
2024-05-11 15:43:47	MacGyver	MrDisguised: You're overmounting /dev/sda1 and the initcpio is being written to the root filesystem.
2024-05-11 15:44:09	MacGyver	MrDisguised: First mount /dev/sda3 to /mnt, *then* mount /dev/sda1 to /mnt/boot.
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2024-05-11 15:45:23	MrDisguised	https://files.catbox.moe/xde80v.jpg
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2024-05-11 15:45:50	MrDisguised	mkinitcpio -P is giving me errors
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2024-05-11 15:46:43	bluetail	what erros?
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2024-05-11 15:48:54	MrDisguised	 bluetail  https://files.catbox.moe/aijgm3.jpg
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2024-05-11 15:49:31	Scimmia	arch-chroot 
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2024-05-11 15:50:48	MrDisguised	https://files.catbox.moe/f7gqv9.jpg
2024-05-11 15:50:51	MrDisguised	Wth
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2024-05-11 15:51:05	MrDisguised	I did install my system with pacstrap
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2024-05-11 15:51:52	MacGyver	Drop out of the chroot, unmount /dev/sda1, see if there's files in /mnt/boot at that point.
2024-05-11 15:52:04	Scimmia	Because you screwed up mounting like MacGyver said
2024-05-11 15:52:27	MacGyver	99.9% certain that's the problem, but I'd like to be sure.
2024-05-11 15:52:56	MacGyver	If that *is* the case, mount /dev/sda1 to /mnt/boot again, arch-chroot, and install the kernels.
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2024-05-11 15:53:05	MacGyver	And redo the bootloader installation.
2024-05-11 15:53:33	MacGyver	Or maybe clear out /mnt/boot before you do, because there's no reason to keep those files around.
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2024-05-11 15:54:30	aldcor	i haven't done too much arch installations, but when I had problems, it was usually related to mounting like MrDisguised is describing now
2024-05-11 15:54:47	aldcor	i recall similar issues
2024-05-11 15:56:38	MrDisguised	MacGyver: ok so rebooted my system now its time to arch-chroot https://files.catbox.moe/ynmn6d.jpg
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2024-05-11 15:57:16	MrDisguised	arch-chroot /mnt right ?
2024-05-11 15:57:16	edu4rdshl	Why pictures of text D:
2024-05-11 15:57:26	edu4rdshl	Yes
2024-05-11 15:57:39	edu4rdshl	Oh
2024-05-11 15:57:45	Namarrgon	You did the same mistake again.
2024-05-11 15:57:54	edu4rdshl	You should mount root first then bot
2024-05-11 15:57:57	edu4rdshl	You should mount root first then boot *
2024-05-11 15:57:58	aldcor	 /o\
2024-05-11 15:58:16	MrDisguised	Oh
2024-05-11 15:58:41	edu4rdshl	And you shouldn't need --mkdir on mount
2024-05-11 15:58:47	Namarrgon	You always mount from the rootfs up. You don't mount the leaves first.
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2024-05-11 16:01:22	MrDisguised	https://files.catbox.moe/pqi382.jpg
2024-05-11 16:01:29	MrDisguised	Now its ok right ?
2024-05-11 16:01:39	MrDisguised	Namarrgon: ah i see got it
2024-05-11 16:02:05	edu4rdshl	Why the first command returned 130 tho
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2024-05-11 16:02:17	edu4rdshl	But that's the right mount order, yes
2024-05-11 16:02:27	MrDisguised	I did ctrl c just to show u that i typed that command earlier
2024-05-11 16:02:32	Namarrgon	Have you clean out the /boot directory of the new /-fs?
2024-05-11 16:03:10	MrDisguised	I did umount -l /dev/mapper/root and umount -l /dev/sda1 
2024-05-11 16:03:52	Namarrgon	why the -l?
2024-05-11 16:04:03	Namarrgon	umount /mnt/boot; ls /mnt/boot
2024-05-11 16:04:12	Namarrgon	There should be nothing in that directory
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2024-05-11 16:05:02	MrDisguised	I did umount /mnt/boot && ls /mnt/boot and there was nothing
2024-05-11 16:05:10	MrDisguised	I am mount it again
2024-05-11 16:05:17	MrDisguised	Mounting *
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2024-05-11 16:08:28	MrDisguised	https://paste.rs/nYH4X
2024-05-11 16:08:49	MrDisguised	This is my mkinitcpio.conf file
2024-05-11 16:10:06	MrDisguised	https://paste.rs/ehpwL
2024-05-11 16:10:37	MrDisguised	https://paste.rs/ndzjG
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2024-05-11 16:12:37	Namarrgon	ls -l /mnt/boot
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2024-05-11 16:14:52	ldiamond	Found out about this only yesterday: https://archlinux.org/releng/netboot/ ... This is just GENIOUS, for a while now I've been thinking about setting up PXE on my network to have some easy arch network boot for fixing things with it breaks. Now I find out it's as easy as a bootloader entry and it automatically gets it from the mirrors! I can toss my USB key in the garbage now!
2024-05-11 16:14:53	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Netboot (at archlinux.org)
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2024-05-11 16:15:21	MrDisguised	Namarrgon: total  0
2024-05-11 16:15:30	Namarrgon	MrDisguised: is the /boot-fs mounted?
2024-05-11 16:15:56	MrDisguised	I am in arch-chroot rn and yes it is mounted
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2024-05-11 16:16:10	Namarrgon	Then you ran "ls -l /boot"?
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2024-05-11 16:16:42	MrDisguised	https://files.catbox.moe/r19epu.jpg
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2024-05-11 16:17:10	Namarrgon	If you are already chrooted then the path is just /boot.
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2024-05-11 16:17:46	Namarrgon	Why is there a /mnt/boot directory in the chroot?
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2024-05-11 16:18:36	MrDisguised	https://paste.rs/18NhZ
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2024-05-11 16:19:58	MrDisguised	Namarrgon: /mnt/boot directory in arch chroot is completely empty it has nothing inside
2024-05-11 16:20:25	MrDisguised	So basically it can be ignored ig ?
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2024-05-11 16:22:28	MrDisguised	Can i reboot now ? Everything looks good ig ? https://files.catbox.moe/qosciz.jpg
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2024-05-11 16:23:31	Gordinator	looks fine to mwe
2024-05-11 16:23:35	Gordinator	s/mwe/me
2024-05-11 16:24:15	MrDisguised	Vim user :)
2024-05-11 16:24:33	MrDisguised	Time to reboot
2024-05-11 16:24:46	aldcor	*famous last words*
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2024-05-11 16:25:12	Gordinator	MrDisguised: neovim actually
2024-05-11 16:25:20	Gordinator	use it for all my text editing
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2024-05-11 16:25:46	Gordinator	to be fair, it isn't "pure" neovim but I dont care what the purists say, I like my plugins
2024-05-11 16:26:50	MrDisguised	I have installed arch so many time but idk why I messed up today. Anyways thanks a lot guys for the help :) https://files.catbox.moe/tecxmm.jpg
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2024-05-11 16:29:16	MrDisguised	Gordinator: I use vscodium.
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2024-05-11 16:30:27	bluetail	I stopped using vscodium because of the addons missing
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2024-05-11 16:32:03	jelle	bluetail: did you see the wiki section about it?
2024-05-11 16:32:41	stewi	bluetail: You can enable the addon marketplace.
2024-05-11 16:32:50	bluetail	oh, I see. Thanks
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2024-05-11 16:34:49	stewi	Basically install <my vscode package>-marketplace (AUR)
2024-05-11 16:35:45	bluetail	any realistic gain over vscode from MS other than vscodium being FOSS?
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2024-05-11 16:37:51	stewi	not that I know of TBH, but I'm not a vscode expert.
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2024-05-11 16:43:05	ldiamond	Starting to write my own pacman hooks to take a BTRFS snapshot and create systemd-boot entries on kernel updates (maybe all pacman -Syu, not sure), because I didn't find something already done. Let me know if someone else already has done it.
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2024-05-11 16:48:35	Soni	should we clean reinstall arch?
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2024-05-11 16:50:19	jelle	Soni: we need more context
2024-05-11 16:50:47	stewi	Never reinstall. Always debug to the death.
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2024-05-11 16:53:14	Soni	we wanna move arch to a new disk but we're not on LVM, clean install + reboot into it seemed reasonable
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2024-05-11 16:54:57	stewi	what does not on LVM mean?
2024-05-11 16:55:21	Soni	means we can't let LVM move it between disks for us
2024-05-11 16:55:24	lambda	Soni: why not just dd the whole thing?
2024-05-11 16:55:40	lambda	reboot into live media, `dd if=old-disk of=new-disk`
2024-05-11 16:55:54	Soni	lambda: uptime? :v
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2024-05-11 16:56:55	lambda	if a couple minutes of downtime is such a concern, you should have set up a fallback a long time ago
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2024-05-11 17:09:07	rarebird15	Hi all. Back to setting up Archtoday after some much-needed sleep. I chose Mate as my desktop environment and GDM as my display manager, and I have a quick question as a blind user. When GDM starts, are you in the spot to enter your password? Trying to figure out why my login keeps failing, at least for desktop sessions, but I can get into a TTY just fine. I'm the only user on the computer.
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2024-05-11 17:12:56	aldcor	rarebird15: yes, you should see where to enter login and password 
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2024-05-11 17:26:33	matjam	noticed gcc libs bumped a major version; anyone seen any issues?
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2024-05-11 17:26:52	matjam	116  core/gcc-libs                       13.2.1-6            -> 14.1.1+r1+g43b730b9134-1
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2024-05-11 17:31:23	Scimmia	not with -libs. There have been a few issues with gcc itself
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2024-05-11 18:07:50	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-11 18:07:50	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1475 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1474 regular)
2024-05-11 17:34:11	stewi	I had an issue with some .so files existing during an upgrade.
2024-05-11 17:34:41	stewi	This https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=295655
2024-05-11 17:34:41	phrik	Title: gcc13: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/lib/libgcc_s.so exists in file / Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-05-11 17:34:44	andril	hello all
2024-05-11 17:35:27	luna_	hi
2024-05-11 17:35:50	matjam	got it, thanks
2024-05-11 18:06:47	cabalcrow	How can I edit the pam_env.conf to add to the system path rather than replace it
2024-05-11 18:07:52	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-05-11 18:07:55	cabalcrow	is this correct or ``PATH  DEFAULT=$@{HOME}/.bin:${PATH}``
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2024-05-11 18:11:18	Soni	how do you make ALSA_CARD work when using pipewire? (how do you make a program use ALSA proper and not pipewire)
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2024-05-11 18:12:22	teraflops	by installing pipewire-alsa and telling the software to use alsa
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2024-05-11 18:14:34	Soni	no it's an ALSA program but it uses pipewire
2024-05-11 18:14:52	Soni	as in it's showing up in qpwgraph and not using the hardware device directly
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2024-05-11 18:15:21	glitsj16	cabalcrow: there's examples inside pam_env.conf for that, check line 65
2024-05-11 18:15:43	teraflops	did you install pipewire-alsa?
2024-05-11 18:15:54	teraflops	did you tell the software to use alsa?
2024-05-11 18:16:27	teraflops	it works perfectly for me using pipewire-jack
2024-05-11 18:17:10	Soni	yes we have pipewire-alsa, we don't want it showing up in qpwgraph
2024-05-11 18:17:23	Soni	because if it shows up in qpwgraph that means it's using pipewire
2024-05-11 18:17:43	cabalcrow	glitsj16: I've seen this one, but it doesn't recursively call path
2024-05-11 18:18:21	cabalcrow	I want to just add to the path, not replace it
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2024-05-11 18:22:53	glitsj16	NetSysFire: I saw the comment you added on the issue; do you see it with _all_ apps you firejail or only with some?
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2024-05-11 18:23:25	glitsj16	cabalcrow: oh i see, didn't get that part
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2024-05-11 18:24:05	teraflops	Soni: it shows all devices, here qpwgraph shows alsa and jack devices
2024-05-11 18:24:34	dsd	Hi, average linux user here, which one should i choose for playonlinux 1) gnu-netcat or 2) openbsd-netcat ?
2024-05-11 18:24:54	Soni	okay so it turns out we do need this custom asoundrc https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture#Select_the_default_PCM_via_environment_variable
2024-05-11 18:24:56	phrik	Title: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-11 18:25:14	jelle	dsd: for question
2024-05-11 18:25:21	Soni	otherwise it'll always go through pipewire because pipewire overrides the ability to override the alsa card...
2024-05-11 18:25:48	dsd	jelle what?
2024-05-11 18:26:02	jelle	dsd: what do you do to get that choice
2024-05-11 18:26:23	glitsj16	NetSysFire: I think we have a debug log from you already. But one with --trace[=filename] would be interesting to see.
2024-05-11 18:26:27	aldcor	installing playonlinux
2024-05-11 18:26:27	jelle	and how does playonlinux provide netcat O_o
2024-05-11 18:26:43	aldcor	not sure, but I tried to install playonlinux too and got same thing
2024-05-11 18:26:47	jelle	aha!
2024-05-11 18:27:06	jelle	aldcor: either probably works, I'd go for gnu as it's more linuxy
2024-05-11 18:27:14	jelle	but honestly I thought playonlinux was dead
2024-05-11 18:27:24	aldcor	i think it is, it doesn't work for me
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2024-05-11 18:27:54	glitsj16	NetSysFire: if you can, one where you add the --trace=foo.log option (on CLI)
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2024-05-11 18:28:58	glitsj16	NetSysFire: you might have to throw in --allow-debuggers too in that case
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2024-05-11 18:34:29	glitsj16	NetSysFire: Like from the beginning of you having this particular issue, I don't see what's causing it to be honest. IMO it isn't the profile(s). I do realize it's very annoying, I'll ask smitsohu to have a look at it, he's our go-to person for such complicated and inconsistent issues.
2024-05-11 18:34:57	glitsj16	By inconsistent i mean you sometimes see it, sometimes not. Correct?
2024-05-11 18:36:00	glitsj16	can't hurt to have another look at it, even if it turns out not to be our bug
2024-05-11 18:36:17	dsd	i used  POL in Lubuntu great experience with POL's manual wine staging for windoz apps (paltalk etc), i feel bad lxqt no good experience in arch and derivatives , i think many things missing need to install, fonts display bad & broken specially for arabic and persian, also need to change fonts in firefox cant hide firefox title bar. But in Lubuntu
2024-05-11 18:36:17	dsd	and KDE-Neon superb all ready dont know what magic they done as default
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2024-05-11 18:36:47	Web_Anon	heyo
2024-05-11 18:36:54	glitsj16	NetSysFire: indeed, firejail uses pid namespaces all over the place
2024-05-11 18:36:58	Web_Anon	can someone tell me what's recommend to use?
2024-05-11 18:37:05	Web_Anon	yay or pacman -Syu?
2024-05-11 18:37:28	Web_Anon	if it's yay should I use sudo with it?
2024-05-11 18:38:04	glitsj16	Web_Anon: with pacman you're limited to the (official) repo's, so no AUR; with yay you can support both
2024-05-11 18:38:16	Web_Anon	ah
2024-05-11 18:38:38	Web_Anon	what would you recommend then?
2024-05-11 18:38:47	Web_Anon	cuz I've mostly just been using yay
2024-05-11 18:38:47	dsd	Web_Anon "It's generally recommended to use pacman -Syu for routine system updates. yay is primarily used as an AUR (Arch User Repository) helper, while pacman -Syu is the official way to update packages from the Arch repositories. However, yay can be convenient for managing AUR packages alongside system updates. So, for general system maintenance,
2024-05-11 18:38:47	dsd	pacman -Syu is the way to go, and for AUR packages, yay is a great tool."
2024-05-11 18:38:50	glitsj16	use makepkg
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2024-05-11 18:39:42	Web_Anon	roger that
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2024-05-11 18:40:55	glitsj16	i have nothing against AUR helpers perse; but you don't get the opportunity to learn about creating PKGBUILDs, potentially helping out the Arch community by having that experience etcetera
2024-05-11 18:41:11	Web_Anon	fair
2024-05-11 18:41:38	Web_Anon	still fairly new to linux
2024-05-11 18:41:38	dsd	That means sounds to me if you wanna learn Arch go practice with official tools commands
2024-05-11 18:41:43	Web_Anon	just switched since Feb.
2024-05-11 18:41:48	glitsj16	besides, it isn't all that hard
2024-05-11 18:42:02	glitsj16	dsd: pretty much what I wanted to convey heh
2024-05-11 18:42:11	Web_Anon	by official tools.. you mean...
2024-05-11 18:42:25	espresso	Web_Anon: congrats! hope a good experience so far :)
2024-05-11 18:42:34	glitsj16	NetSysFire: O.o, that's terrible
2024-05-11 18:42:34	Web_Anon	it was great
2024-05-11 18:42:46	Web_Anon	I had fun remaking my arch 15 times during my 1st week
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2024-05-11 18:42:52	Web_Anon	had an issue with nvidia
2024-05-11 18:42:56	Web_Anon	XD
2024-05-11 18:43:05	espresso	Web_Anon: hah.. but it gets easier every time eh? ;)
2024-05-11 18:43:07	dsd	Web_Anon it is simple example drive a branded car or learn to assemble car with official tools
2024-05-11 18:43:17	glitsj16	NetSysFire: I'll be around, take your time
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2024-05-11 18:43:29	Web_Anon	at the moment. I'm trying to get alvr to work on arch
2024-05-11 18:43:40	Web_Anon	I got it working the other day.
2024-05-11 18:45:31	Web_Anon	using commands to open things is a lot faster than clicking the app icon
2024-05-11 18:45:53	◣	chikuwasuka (~Thunderbi@user/chikuwasuka) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2024-05-11 18:46:16	Web_Anon	or maybe it's cuz it's faster to just type thing rather than moving hands away from keyboard to mouse
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2024-05-11 18:49:56	Web_Anon	while I was learing arch linux. by far my most helpful tool for explaining stuff was Gemini Advanced from google
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2024-05-11 18:50:34	teraflops	arch wiki is fine too ^^
2024-05-11 18:50:37	Web_Anon	gemini advanced has browsing
2024-05-11 18:50:48	Web_Anon	and refers me to the correct arch wiki page
2024-05-11 18:50:53	Web_Anon	to fact check
2024-05-11 18:51:10	Web_Anon	yeah
2024-05-11 18:51:11	glitsj16	NetSysFire: thanks, having a look
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2024-05-11 18:52:31	dsd	The best thing is also make your own notes for what you practiced
2024-05-11 18:53:50	glitsj16	indeed, for me `firejail ls` --> Base filesystem installed in 166.65 ms
2024-05-11 18:54:35	glitsj16	noticed there are more profiles included on my run, probably because I'm firejail-git
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2024-05-11 18:55:08	Web_Anon	hmmm...
2024-05-11 18:55:29	Web_Anon	isn't there a way to use fzf to navigate along with dolphin?
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2024-05-11 18:58:06	jelle	doplhin is a gui so that makes little sense
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2024-05-11 18:58:22	glitsj16	NetSysFire: I wonder if the restrict-namespaces in default.profile is somehow involved. Can you run `firejail --profile=noprofile ls` to see if that improves anything please?
2024-05-11 18:58:36	glitsj16	NetSysFire: doesn't have to be right now offcourse
2024-05-11 18:58:42	balrog_	https://bpa.st/4Y3A by bwrap wrapper script does the same command with 'bstart ls  0,00s user 0,01s system 85% cpu 0,015 total'
2024-05-11 18:58:43	phrik	Title: View paste 4Y3A (at bpa.st)
2024-05-11 18:59:10	balrog_	not sure what firejail does do actually
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2024-05-11 18:59:34	bluetail	jails fire
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2024-05-11 18:59:44	bluetail	so u get fox without fore
2024-05-11 18:59:52	bluetail	fire*
2024-05-11 19:00:08	bluetail	google ...
2024-05-11 19:00:47	glitsj16	NetSysFire: odd, there's `include landlock-common.inc` in your zipped test, which is not in 0.9.72
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2024-05-11 19:01:50	glitsj16	balrog_: there's a wiki page on firejail (and bubblewrap etcetera) you can consult
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2024-05-11 19:01:58	glitsj16	NetSysFire: great
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2024-05-11 19:03:13	glitsj16	landlock support is very much tied in with the kernel, i think most if not all official Arch kernels have support for it
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2024-05-11 19:03:46	glitsj16	at least linux and linux-zen, those is use myself
2024-05-11 19:04:09	glitsj16	interesting
2024-05-11 19:04:17	balrog_	firejail uses suid binary as far as I digged it up https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30820646 I consulted the wiki page to write the bwrap cript posted above, thanks however :)
2024-05-11 19:04:18	glitsj16	whow, quite a difference
2024-05-11 19:04:19	phrik	Title: My main issue with Firejail is that it still uses a SUID binary, compared to bwr... | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com)
2024-05-11 19:05:13	glitsj16	balrog_: i saw you posting on your bwrap script in #linux, i had just arrived and didn't want to but in, but i bookmarked your reference
2024-05-11 19:06:34	glitsj16	the thing with firejail being SUID binary is old news; meaning we're well aware of it, there are ways to mitigate that and you can run firejail non-SUId
2024-05-11 19:07:18	glitsj16	NetSysFire: yeah, sounds like you're on the right track
2024-05-11 19:07:48	glitsj16	have you been able to determine which one of the disable-foo.inc file(s)?
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2024-05-11 19:08:15	glitsj16	no rush
2024-05-11 19:08:37	balrog_	glitsj16 I saw your post about "firejail ls" --> Base filesystem installed in 166.65 ms and were just wondering what this particular does mean and why the command takes so long to evecute
2024-05-11 19:09:20	glitsj16	NetSysFire: really interesting, we never got to disable-common.inc before in your issue, in 2 years heh
2024-05-11 19:10:25	glitsj16	likely, but at least there's more to work with than before this detective work of yours
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2024-05-11 19:12:12	glitsj16	that's why i wondered if https://github.com/netblue30/firejail/pull/6307 could be similar, also showing such slowdowns (and is fixed in git now)
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2024-05-11 19:12:53	glitsj16	balrog_: that'll be my dinosauric hardware, not firejail as you can see from NetSysFire's numbers
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2024-05-11 19:13:47	glitsj16	NetSysFire: should we take it to #firejail? didn't realize we're hijacking the channel...
2024-05-11 19:14:03	glitsj16	okay, i'm there
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2024-05-11 19:29:51	balrog_	glitsj16, no. Your hardware is fine. I wanted to know where the message 'Base filesystem installed in $x ms' comes from, that's all :)
2024-05-11 19:31:11	glitsj16	balrog_: oh my apologies, i read that all wrong
2024-05-11 19:31:37	glitsj16	it's a firejail message when used on command line
2024-05-11 19:31:58	glitsj16	usually it runs in quiet mode by default
2024-05-11 19:32:36	glitsj16	but NetSysFire was using one of our debug profiles instead, so it showed
2024-05-11 19:33:35	glitsj16	balrog_: the --debug flag is the most verbose option by the way
2024-05-11 19:34:12	UndeadLeech	Is there a way to check if the latest version of a git package has already been built, without building it if it hasn't? `makepkg -Cc` returns code 13, but will automatically build it. Trying to write a little script that automatically builds git packages for me.
2024-05-11 19:36:34	glitsj16	balrog_: just an open invitation, no pressure or whatever... you seem to have interesting ideas relating to sandboxing (tools)... always welcome on the firejail GH to share ideas, critique, whatever you might be interested in
2024-05-11 19:39:58	dsd	i tried many lxqt distros but dont know what magic lubuntu do during install
2024-05-11 19:40:23	glitsj16	UndeadLeech: nvchecker springs to mind, allthough I'm not sure it supports git packages
2024-05-11 19:41:16	dsd	i mean Lubuntu UI polished fonts wine apps all looks integrated specially RTL languages
2024-05-11 19:41:19	glitsj16	UndeadLeech: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_package_guidelines#Working_with_upstream
2024-05-11 19:41:21	phrik	Title: Arch package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-11 19:41:22	dsd	currently i am using arch-lxqt but many things missing which i dont know about
2024-05-11 19:41:24	UndeadLeech	glitsj16: If I have to do it myself then that's fairly easy to do, but considering pacman clearly can do it already, it feels silly not being able to use that.
2024-05-11 19:41:47	glitsj16	UndeadLeech: yeah, i see your point
2024-05-11 19:42:24	UndeadLeech	They're git packages also, so determining new stable releases isn't actually required. I just need to check for a new git version.
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2024-05-11 19:42:43	UndeadLeech	Which is already defined in pkgver() of course^
2024-05-11 19:43:40	glitsj16	wouldn't it be rather difficult to keep up with upstreams that evolve fast in their git branches?
2024-05-11 19:44:07	UndeadLeech	I'm the upstream. The whole point is to provide an arch repo for my phone for a couple of git packages.
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2024-05-11 19:44:25	glitsj16	aha, didn't realize that
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2024-05-11 19:44:40	balrog_	okay, I see! glitsj16 my numbers here - 2023 laptop http://0x0.st/XKzI.txt
2024-05-11 19:44:51	UndeadLeech	It's just a random arm server that runs 24/7 for the purpose of building new packages.
2024-05-11 19:45:47	glitsj16	might be random, still very nice to use such a server
2024-05-11 19:46:20	UndeadLeech	Yeah unfortunately compiling anything on my pinephone takes centuries.
2024-05-11 19:47:32	glitsj16	UndeadLeech: if I may make a suggestion; open a question on the forum would attract more eyes than the somewhat now-were-here-now-we-re-gone nature of IRC
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2024-05-11 19:47:47	glitsj16	would make an interesting thread for sure
2024-05-11 19:48:10	UndeadLeech	I mean if I can't find a solution, I'll just make my own. It just seems like such an obvious thing I'm surprised it doesn't exist.
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2024-05-11 19:49:20	glitsj16	UndeadLeech: not all things the devs and package maintainers work with/work on makes it into (repo) packages
2024-05-11 19:50:34	glitsj16	you'd have to follow the mailing-lists and even then... so filing a quick, straightforward question on the forum is worth the time
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2024-05-11 19:52:42	glitsj16	balrog_: thanks for the numbers; you used firejail 0.9.72 doing that?
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2024-05-11 19:57:20	balrog_	glitsj16 firejail-0.9.72 yea, more details here: https://bpa.st/CGXA
2024-05-11 19:57:21	phrik	Title: View paste CGXA (at bpa.st)
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2024-05-11 19:59:26	glitsj16	balrog_: would you mind taking this to #firejail? i have some more questions if you have the time
2024-05-11 20:00:05	balrog_	sure, let's move
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2024-05-11 20:03:29	BrainDamage	UndeadLeech: makepkg -od will run pkgver() which you can use it to compare with your repo's, which is what aurutils does
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2024-05-11 20:08:45	UndeadLeech	BrainDamage: That doesn't warn/error when the package is already up to date though?
2024-05-11 20:09:05	UndeadLeech	Like it runs pkgver, but it doesn't tell me.
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2024-05-11 20:09:33	BrainDamage	it'll give you a package version, which you can feed to vercmp
2024-05-11 20:10:12	UndeadLeech	Not on my machine.
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2024-05-11 20:11:33	BrainDamage	not sure I understand, the remote machine will still be able to see the repo info, no?
2024-05-11 20:11:50	UndeadLeech	It doesn't print a package version.
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2024-05-11 20:13:29	BrainDamage	it'll print only if it's updated
2024-05-11 20:13:49	UndeadLeech	I'll just do it differently.
2024-05-11 20:13:55	BrainDamage	delete pkgver from the pkgbuild itself, or set it to a bogus string, and it'll print it
2024-05-11 20:14:20	BrainDamage	or fetch it from the pkgbuild itself, or use --printsrcinfo after that
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2024-05-11 20:15:14	alad	last I checked makepkg doesn't print stuff, it updates the pkgver() so you can print it with something else
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2024-05-11 20:16:02	BrainDamage	it does, but only if it updated it
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2024-05-11 21:26:20	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1480 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1479 regular)
2024-05-11 21:15:46	manuels	How can I get completions without actually completing in bash and zsh? 
2024-05-11 21:16:39	manuels	Like "completethis 'halfacom'" returning halfacommand
2024-05-11 21:18:32	mkoskar	manuels: usually ^D
2024-05-11 21:18:47	mkoskar	not sure if that's default for bash/readline tho
2024-05-11 21:22:00	manuels	Or maybe you have better ideas for my X problem. I a launcher plugin I want to provide shell completions (depending on the user shell) such that users can quickly run a command line on temrinal 
2024-05-11 21:22:10	manuels	Ofc completions would be nice 
2024-05-11 21:22:37	manuels	Now I wonder how to get completions outside a shell session 
2024-05-11 21:22:45	MrElendig	use fzf
2024-05-11 21:22:55	MrElendig	(or similar)
2024-05-11 21:23:30	MrElendig	otherwise embed a shell session
2024-05-11 21:26:16	demonicmaniac1	question is whether you want only filename completion or actual command completion leverage then embedding a shell session is kind of the only way
2024-05-11 21:26:24	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-05-11 21:26:33	demonicmaniac1	if you're constructing a command line with program and arguments
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2024-05-11 21:28:37	manuels	How would embed a shell session? 
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2024-05-11 21:29:22	manuels	I mean shells rely on term environments right?
2024-05-11 21:29:26	BrainDamage	just to be clear, you have a repl in your program?
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2024-05-11 21:29:28	Senzzy	why isn't man in base anymore?
2024-05-11 21:29:35	MrElendig	depends on the toolkit you are using
2024-05-11 21:29:49	MrElendig	because base is no longer a group
2024-05-11 21:29:50	manuels	Repl? 
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2024-05-11 21:31:00	manuels	By embedding you mean run a shell an communicate over stdin and out? 
2024-05-11 21:31:43	manuels	I don't know how well this will work eg in case of zsh
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2024-05-11 22:01:46	ldiamond	Wondering, would UKI allow booting into different kernel versions? Meaning I'd use the same (latest) UKI to boot into roots that are still on earlier kernels?
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2024-05-11 22:13:47	MrElendig	only if you embed all the drivers needed
2024-05-11 22:13:51	MrElendig	drivers/modules
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2024-05-11 22:16:05	kode54	UKI with systemd-boot at least allows booting into different kernels, but not different versions of the same kernel, since the packages don't allow them to coexist
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2024-05-11 22:43:35	ldiamond	kode54: I assume you mean the packages on the rootfs there. That's not a problem I'm looking to boot into different btrfs snapshots
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2024-05-11 22:58:14	chikuwasuka	i'm a bit late, but i boot from UKI and have multiple kernels (plus Windows)
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2024-05-11 22:58:37	chikuwasuka	idk about different versions of the same kernel, it might be possible with some mkinitcpio shenanigans but i wouldn't recommend it
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2024-05-11 23:00:10	rarebird15	Hi all. I'm trying to figure out what keyboard layout to use since I think not having one set is causing login issues for me, but I'm not sure which one to pick. I'm in the US and use an HP laptop. I occasionally have to use the keyboard on the laptop, but usually I use a Logitech NX Keys S keyboard wirelessly connected to my computer. Should I just select the US keymap or is there a better
2024-05-11 23:00:10	rarebird15	 one?
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2024-05-11 23:02:29	MrElendig	no-dvorak is clearly the superiour one
2024-05-11 23:03:00	MrElendig	if you are in the us though, us probably works fine
2024-05-11 23:03:16	MrElendig	but Fn lock might mess with you on the laptop
2024-05-11 23:03:26	MrElendig	fn/numlock
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2024-05-11 23:08:10	rarebird15	Willing to try dvorak if it might help me type better. I have multiple disabilities, and I've never found a keyboard layout that works well for me. My hands are small and struggle to stay in one place but reach all the keys, and my coordination isn't good. I'm totally blind, autistic, and have a lot of chronic illnesses, and my hands go all over the keyboard. Teachers try to teach blind peo
2024-05-11 23:08:10	rarebird15	ple to keep your fingers on the home row but I've nameever been able to do that.
2024-05-11 23:08:57	MrElendig	try a split keyboard
2024-05-11 23:09:07	ldiamond	chikuwasuka: Why not? You'd keep different UKI matching the target kernel version?
2024-05-11 23:09:22	MrElendig	possibly one of the "straight" split ones
2024-05-11 23:09:39	MrElendig	er.. where the keys are in straight coloums instead of offset
2024-05-11 23:10:12	ldiamond	I'm still unsure though why booting from a initramfs/vmlinuz of 6.8.9 failed to mount /boot. 
2024-05-11 23:10:12	⚡ 	MrElendig also do find dvorak more comfy to type
2024-05-11 23:10:50	MrElendig	^usually due to vfat not being included for some reason
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2024-05-11 23:11:28	rarebird15	I can't aford to buy anything right now, but I'll look into split keyboards.
2024-05-11 23:12:14	MrElendig	many of them are stupid expensive but there are some decent cheap diy kits
2024-05-11 23:12:32	chikuwasuka	ldiamond: other packages not matching the kernel version would become an issue
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2024-05-11 23:12:56	MrElendig	there is a clone of the moonlander for 60ush bucks if you go for the cheapest keys
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2024-05-11 23:13:11	chikuwasuka	linux plus a lts version is the way to go if you want an older kernel as an option
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2024-05-11 23:14:01	ldiamond	That's not really the problem I'm trying to solve though. I want to load a BTRFS snapshot in order to revert an upgrade when there are issues.
2024-05-11 23:14:20	ldiamond	Last time both the lts and the non-lts kernels had the amdgpu bug.
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2024-05-11 23:15:07	chikuwasuka	yeah, i have no idea how snapshots work, honestly. i've just downgraded my kernel a few times manually using the cached version, but i always deleted the other boot entry when i did so
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2024-05-11 23:20:04	ldiamond	One thing I'm not sure about, does the boot process end up loading and replacing the kernel from the root?
2024-05-11 23:20:15	MrElendig	no
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2024-05-11 23:20:55	ldiamond	Ok so no matter what I need multiple vmlinuz/initramfs because all the modules will fail.
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2024-05-11 23:21:14	MrElendig	assuming you ment the kenrel in ram
2024-05-11 23:22:04	ldiamond	Yes, the kernel actually running
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2024-05-11 23:28:07	ldiamond	I guess a good approach is a mkinitcpio build hook which replaces makes a rw snapshot based on a commandline param coming from the boot entry which I'd generate on pacman hooks.
2024-05-11 23:28:31	MrElendig	booting the fallback initrd may help
2024-05-11 23:28:42	ldiamond	even just a runtime hook
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2024-05-11 23:29:21	ldiamond	Still haven't read what the fallback preset does.
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2024-05-11 23:30:17	MrElendig	it just disables autodetect, so you get all the modules ever included
2024-05-11 23:31:06	chikuwasuka	you can set your own fallback options if you want it to do something different, though i haven't tried that
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2024-05-11 23:41:44	ldiamond	yea I need to keep kernels that match the target root fs so I'll keep different versions from mkinitcpio hooks, take snapshots on pacman -syu so I have easy to identify "pre-upgrade" snapshots and I'll add a runtime hook that checks a param to figure out which snapshot to use.
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2024-05-11 23:44:08	ldiamond	"Sets the required modules to enable Btrfs for using multiple devices with Btrfs. You need to have btrfs-progs installed to use this. This hook is not required for using Btrfs on a single device where the filesystems hook suffices." -- My root fs is btfs on 3 ssds and I didn't have the btrfs hook and it works.
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2024-05-12 00:15:54	Scimmia	ldiamond: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/btrfs-progs/-/blob/main/initcpio-install-btrfs?ref_type=heads#L12
2024-05-12 00:15:55	phrik	Title: initcpio-install-btrfs · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / btrfs-progs · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-12 00:31:12	lpv	Boys quick question. Is cinnamon fully compatible with arch? I wanted to try Mint but thought maybe I should skip a few steps and install cinnamon instead?
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2024-05-12 00:43:09	MrElendig	it has some pains
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2024-05-12 00:44:58	lpv	Pains, like?
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2024-05-12 00:47:16	MrElendig	it has had a bunch of issues due to being behind upstream gnome etc
2024-05-12 00:47:23	MrElendig	and doing some silly things
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2024-05-12 00:48:50	MrElendig	also some crashes with certain video drivers, though those are mostly fixed now
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2024-05-12 01:00:19	chikuwasuka	set my kernel loglevel to 8, which i'm hoping will give me some clue as to what's going on when my laptop doesn't shut down fully
2024-05-12 01:00:50	chikuwasuka	drawback is having to see several pages of messages on boot but i'll put up with that for now
2024-05-12 01:56:20	ldiamond	Scimmia: yea that's it, udev is in the hooks.
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2024-05-12 03:32:02	Gnana	mpv does not work as vlc. mpv laggy video then vlc why?
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2024-05-12 04:47:25	edu4rdshl	Different codecs, renderers, many things can be the cause
2024-05-12 04:54:11	Gnana	edu4rdshl: how to install all the codeces?
2024-05-12 04:55:19	kode54	they already include them all
2024-05-12 04:55:27	kode54	but mpv doesn't enable hardware codecs by default
2024-05-12 04:58:03	Gnana	kode54: how to enable?
2024-05-12 05:02:49	edu4rdshl	Read the documentation
2024-05-12 05:02:51	kode54	wtf, something overwrote my mpv.conf
2024-05-12 05:02:56	edu4rdshl	It isn't hard
2024-05-12 05:03:03	kode54	I had vo=gpu-next in there, and now it's gone
2024-05-12 05:03:03	edu4rdshl	It's even in the archwiki
2024-05-12 05:03:23	edu4rdshl	kode54, in your user's home?
2024-05-12 05:03:26	kode54	yes
2024-05-12 05:03:29	edu4rdshl	Uh
2024-05-12 05:04:04	kode54	it got replaced with a config file containing only "hwdec"
2024-05-12 05:05:47	kode54	maybe I reverted my changes
2024-05-12 05:05:53	kode54	but the file hasn't been changed for several months
2024-05-12 05:06:04	kode54	and somehow, the modification time for the file is identical to the directory
2024-05-12 05:06:20	kode54	oh, that's normal
2024-05-12 05:06:40	tirnanog	Gnana: hwdec=auto-safe but read https://mpv.io/manual/stable/#options-hwdec also.
2024-05-12 05:06:40	phrik	Title: mpv.io (at mpv.io)
2024-05-12 05:09:40	Gnana	[ffmpeg/video] hevc: Could not find ref with POC 198
2024-05-12 05:09:42	Gnana	[ffmpeg/video] hevc: Could not find ref with POC 199
2024-05-12 05:09:44	Gnana	[ffmpeg/video] hevc: Could not find ref with POC 198
2024-05-12 05:09:46	Gnana	[ffmpeg/video] hevc: Could not find ref with POC 199
2024-05-12 05:23:55	demonicmaniac1	that sounds like a generally broken encode or requiring fixes on the vd ladspa decoder level
2024-05-12 05:34:44	Gnana	pacman -S ladspa?
2024-05-12 05:35:16	demonicmaniac1	no
2024-05-12 05:35:40	demonicmaniac1	is this a stream or a local file you're trying to play? what hardware?
2024-05-12 05:36:06	Gnana	hwdec=auto-copy and hwdec-codecs=all
2024-05-12 05:37:10	Gnana	it is the mpv dev issue? vlc works out of box
2024-05-12 05:39:26	demonicmaniac1	needs more info about the file and hardware
2024-05-12 06:59:00	kode54	if I'm using aurutils, how am I supposed to run checks to see if any -git packages have gotten new commits?
2024-05-12 07:41:24	Numero	i have an arch linux desktop machine that started having apps go "not responding" last night. then it crashed completely and wouldn't reboot. both drives' filesystems (jfs) were corrupted. one drive, the one that had /home on it, had a successful fsck and i'm copying it off now. but for there to be *both* drives corrupted - does that suggest broken motherboard?
2024-05-12 07:56:33	Numero	fwiw memtest86 passed on the machine through test 4
2024-05-12 08:03:35	gehidore	Run it 24 to 48 hours if you're questioning RAM, sounds suspiciously like motherboard or PSU honestly in addition to jfs historically having weak resilience to power failures
2024-05-12 08:04:55	Numero	gehidore: machine has been on UPS that was known to work (it's brand new). but machine did have to have a hard reset once it completely locked up so there's that
2024-05-12 08:05:31	Numero	anyway, fsck worked and it's copying off now. i supposed i can let memtest86 run overnight
2024-05-12 08:31:07	zakros	what is the simplest way to setup encrypted dns on arch linux i have tried multiple different ways and they didnt work
2024-05-12 08:41:05	balrog_	zakros https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/systemd-resolved#DNS_over_TLS should work pretty "easy"
2024-05-12 08:41:05	phrik	Title: systemd-resolved - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-12 08:44:04	Halano	it works
2024-05-12 08:44:48	balrog_	however I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think this will slow down your dns requests
2024-05-12 08:49:11	balrog_	another approach with a similar outcome would be using a vpn for dns - of cause that's more complicated. Also could extend the default ttl, look for StaleRetentionSec in man resolved.conf
2024-05-12 08:49:45	Numero	but what would be the point unless you can VPN straight into a DNS server?
2024-05-12 08:54:02	balrog_	well, #1 the benefits of vpn's I guess for dns trafic in general - as long as other users use the same vpn. Correct me when I'm wrong. The upside here is having an established vpn tunnel and no need to do a tls handshake per dns request
2024-05-12 08:57:22	balrog_	of cause this depends on your/the servers hardware/connection and mainly the cipher suite strength mainly
2024-05-12 09:06:56	qontinuum	barlog_: having a VPN just to channel DNS requests is overkill, you could also use Tor to resolve your DNS requests which at least makes things actually anonymous, the cost of creating a TLS connection isn't that big
2024-05-12 09:08:08	qontinuum	zakros: what did you try?
2024-05-12 12:15:18	Metroid	Using a VPN for encrypted DNS is like using a school bus to take your one kid to school. 
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2024-05-12 13:08:14	MrElendig	DoT won't really impact performance that much, specially not when you use a local caching resolver like resolved
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2024-05-12 14:56:47	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-12 14:38:28	chovy	error: failed retrieving file 'python-cryptography-42.0.5-2-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst' from zxcvfdsa.com : The requested URL returned error: 404
2024-05-12 14:38:35	chovy	how do i install pip on arch?
2024-05-12 14:38:50	edu4rdshl	Why not sync your repos instead?
2024-05-12 14:38:52	chovy	pacman -S python-pip doesn't work
2024-05-12 14:38:59	edu4rdshl	pacman -Syu python-cryptography
2024-05-12 14:38:59	chovy	edu4rdshl: wdym?
2024-05-12 14:39:08	edu4rdshl	Do a -Syu first
2024-05-12 14:39:15	edu4rdshl	Then try to install the packages again
2024-05-12 14:46:43	chovy	ok
2024-05-12 14:53:56	Soni	can we rsync /bin, /etc, and some other stuff to a new partition, then set up bind mounts in fstab for /var and some other stuff?
2024-05-12 14:54:07	wy584z67	How do you guys backup your arch installation?  I understand there are multiple options.
2024-05-12 14:54:39	susi	I don't
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2024-05-12 15:01:28	wy584z67	susi: I understand.  I am not that conversant to do a arch install if something were to happen.  Went through enough pain to get the system to the current state, dread to redo it all over.  Hence looking at backup options.
2024-05-12 15:01:40	wy584z67	s/install/reinstall
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2024-05-12 15:02:30	teraflops	wy584z67: I do hourly backups of home folder with borg and one daily rsync of the whole machine
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2024-05-12 15:02:55	astralc	why sync /bin? just do `pacman -Qeq` for install list
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2024-05-12 15:04:49	Soni	can we boot an overlayfs?
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2024-05-12 15:05:27	⚡ 	wy584z67 thanks teraflops
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2024-05-12 15:07:05	teraflops	astralc: how can that help if you i.e cannot boot the system?
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2024-05-12 15:20:52	edu4rdshl	What's a backup
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2024-05-12 15:21:28	edu4rdshl	I just read, sounds like that
2024-05-12 15:21:41	edu4rdshl	Soni, looks like a XY problem. What are you trying to do?
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2024-05-12 15:21:49	edu4rdshl	But sure, you can boot it using systemd-nspawn
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2024-05-12 15:43:43	Foxboron	Soni: Yes, systemd supports this perfectly fine
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2024-05-12 16:45:09	edu4rdshl	Foxboron, o/
2024-05-12 16:51:07	txtsd	unifoundry.com's TLS cert has expired -_-
2024-05-12 16:58:41	MacGyver	Hmm.
2024-05-12 16:58:50	MacGyver	My desktop just decided to hard reboot.
2024-05-12 16:58:57	MacGyver	No kernel panic, just reboot.
2024-05-12 16:59:10	MacGyver	Might be a power issue; nothing in the logs.
2024-05-12 16:59:22	MacGyver	Regardless: is there something I should do to check the btrfs filesystem now?
2024-05-12 16:59:42	MacGyver	It mounts fine.
2024-05-12 17:13:56	kurtosis	MacGyver:  BTRFS-CHECK(8) may prove useful.  I normally boot from an archiso, cryptsetup open my encrypted partition, then check it
2024-05-12 17:19:01	Earnestly	MacGyver: This is the magical world of thinkpads
2024-05-12 17:19:48	MacGyver	Earnestly: It's not, this is a desktop.
2024-05-12 17:20:37	Earnestly	Yeah, you wrote, but it is part of the same world/universe
2024-05-12 17:20:38	MacGyver	The PSU *should* be beefy enough to handle it but it's getting old and today is a sunny day which might push grid voltage too high.
2024-05-12 17:21:05	Earnestly	There's no known explanation for the thinkpad issue, from keyboard connector to battery and everything inbetween
2024-05-12 17:21:13	MacGyver	I don't know enough about AC/DC power supplies to know exactly what influence that might have, but it would explain why it's only happening today.
2024-05-12 17:41:06	Jupelius	If it's a modern switching power supply the input voltage doesn't matter much
2024-05-12 17:45:09	tonitch	Hello, I'm a archlinux user for quite some time now and I spent the weekend to my parents house where I have installed manjaro. I made a small game of dota 2 there and I noticed that the game started way faster (I would say 5x faster than on my current pc). I wonder if there is a way to understand why this happen. My guess is that it might be the disk speed (it's installed on my hdd) but I would
2024-05-12 17:45:11	tonitch	like a way to confirm this hypothesis and also a way to find the problem wether it is the disk speed or not ^^ 
2024-05-12 17:47:05	BrainDamage	manjaro is not supported here
2024-05-12 17:47:24	BrainDamage	or do you mean that the slow disk is on arch?
2024-05-12 17:49:39	mpan	tonitch: with a program, which is both proprietary and as complex as a major video game, it’s notgoing to be possible to easily analyze that. But, to start with, make sure you are comparing apples to oranges. For example that at your parents’ game files weren’t already in file cache.
2024-05-12 17:50:02	tonitch	yes it is, I told about manjaro just for context but I'm currently on my arch machine witch is slower than the manjaro on my parent's house. the arch machine is the one to fix
2024-05-12 17:50:29	BrainDamage	one thing that can significantly slow down startup of games is if the wineserver has to be restarted
2024-05-12 17:51:02	mpan	Other than that, there are synthetic tests, which could compare *filesystem* read rate (this is going to be more relevant here than raw disk speeds). E.g. <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Benchmarking#fio>, though I can’t vet for quality/accuracy of results.
2024-05-12 17:51:03	phrik	Title: Benchmarking - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-12 17:51:26	tonitch	mpan: this is consistently slower here, most game I launch take ages. I'm just used to it so I don't really mind but I noticed that it was faster there. I'm just wondering how I can debug that (even if in the end there is no solution. I actually really dont mind
2024-05-12 17:51:30	BrainDamage	so if eg you have a wineserver for something running on the system and then you need to launch another for proton, that can take quite a lot of time
2024-05-12 17:51:58	BrainDamage	so check if you have a lingering wineserver on your machine, kill it, and see if startup time changes
2024-05-12 17:52:24	tonitch	BrainDamage: you mean if wineserv is already running it is slower or faster ? 
2024-05-12 17:52:40	BrainDamage	if the version matches it's faster, if it doesn't, it's way slower
2024-05-12 17:53:01	tonitch	that's interesting but I just remember that dota is native x)
2024-05-12 17:53:01	BrainDamage	because it'll have to close the running one, and start another
2024-05-12 17:54:31	lpv	Guys cinnamon vs plasma for simplicity over arch?
2024-05-12 17:55:16	tonitch	mpan: about game cache, I did start the game just after the machine start and I did that exact same thing here. I don't think the cache could be preload in this case. the conly thing is whenever I start the game, I get a vulkan cache preloading which I skip on both pc.
2024-05-12 17:55:34	mpan	tonitch: did you see the second message?
2024-05-12 17:55:47	mpan	The :51 one.
2024-05-12 17:56:10	tonitch	mpan: Yes, I'm sorry, I'm a slow reader so I respond to the message one by one. I'm checking the website right now! 
2024-05-12 17:56:22	mpan	tonitch: ok, no problem. I was just not sure, if you read it. :)
2024-05-12 17:57:39	tonitch	thanks for your reasponse anyway! I will dig into it ^^ 
2024-05-12 17:59:26	mpan	tonitch: I am careful with synthetic benchmarks (for many reasons), but seeing a notable difference between your and parents’ computer in such a benchmark would have some good indication of where the issue is.
2024-05-12 17:59:40	mpan	(not seeing a difference is inconclusive, though)
2024-05-12 18:01:37	kurtosis	tonitch:  maybe I missed; but I didn't read the parts about you ruling out your parents' faster loading time was due to their better CPU, their more and/or faster DRAM, or that they have a SSD vs your HDD
2024-05-12 18:05:51	tonitch	as I said, my guess is the fact that I'v installed the game on my slow hdd but the original question is *how* can I find the reason why the game start more slowly. I actually didn't say it wasn't any of this. in fact I made both the pc and my pc is 5 years older but has better equipement. I just don't remember what I put in it and now i'm not at my parents house anymore so I will check next
2024-05-12 18:05:53	tonitch	time.
2024-05-12 18:07:23	mpan	Yes, hence the suggestion to do a filesystem benchmark.
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2024-05-12 18:42:52	wy584z67	How frequently do you guys update your arch install with "pacman -Syu"?  I keep hearing "don't do it too frequently" yet "don't delay it for too long either".  So what's the sweet spot once a week/month/??
2024-05-12 18:43:39	mpan	wy584z67: based on my pacman logs, the average is daily.
2024-05-12 18:43:40	feral_hedgehog	wy584z67: Just did it while reading your message.
2024-05-12 18:44:02	mpan	wy584z67: I delay kernel update for minor version bumps, so that one is once 2 months.
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2024-05-12 18:48:37	chikuwasuka	i do it almost daily, but given the number of bugs i've run into recently i should probably do it less often.
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2024-05-12 18:50:02	teraflops	if you do it less often the bugs you already have won't get foxed by new versions of their packages ;)
2024-05-12 18:50:10	teraflops	fixed ^
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2024-05-12 19:05:38	ldiamond	I do it a couple times a month but I don't always reboot that often. Lately I've been getting more kernel bugs and that's annoying me enough to setup automatic snapshots so I can just boot into my previous root.
2024-05-12 19:05:57	ldiamond	Almost always amdgpu related though.
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2024-05-12 19:07:21	ldiamond	But honestly I might just start using grub: https://github.com/Antynea/grub-btrfs
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2024-05-12 19:12:28	wy584z67	Can we do these snapshots on ext4 or are these only possible on btrfs?
2024-05-12 19:13:06	wy584z67	snapshots sound tempting but if I have to convert all  my f/s from ext4 to btrfs, not sure if that's an effort I am willing to put in.
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2024-05-12 19:15:30	ana_briated	wy584z67: snapshots are a btrfs feature, something like borgbackup is an option
2024-05-12 19:15:52	ana_briated	*is an option for ext4 users
2024-05-12 19:17:30	ldiamond	Big difference if you're on ext4 though. BTRFS snapshots are nearly instant because it's a copy-on-write fs.
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2024-05-12 19:18:55	ldiamond	The conversion to btrfs was very much worth it for me (back in like 2012 or something). It really depends of whether you enjoy these kinds of things and if you have any time to invest in that.
2024-05-12 19:19:50	ana_briated	if you require frequent backups, it's worth the effort to switch, if you do not (like me), someething like borg is a decent alternative
2024-05-12 19:19:57	ldiamond	It shouldn't be too difficult though, just a bit of down-time depending on the available hardware you have.
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2024-05-12 19:20:59	ldiamond	I use btrbk to do hourly snapshots and daily backups, one to a local device and one to a remote device.
2024-05-12 19:21:37	ana_briated	I wouldn't say the cost is just downtime, btrfs is not a filesystem that can be set-and-forget, there's a few management things that need to be done that non-cow filesystems don't need
2024-05-12 19:22:18	ldiamond	I also use raid1. Neat thing also is that it will detect any corruption (and can fix it too).
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2024-05-12 19:22:27	ana_briated	specifically a few manuals to read and important decisions to make - I think that one is a much bigger hurdle for new users
2024-05-12 19:22:58	ldiamond	It doesn't add any maintenance to me. Enable the scrub systemd unit and you're good to go.
2024-05-12 19:24:10	ana_briated	that's fair enough, but it is one more step to understand and implement for new users versus zero configuration required for conventional filesystems
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2024-05-12 19:28:36	jerry_	if someone is willing, could you try to install the package lime3ds-git from the aur? I am trying to troubleshoot the pkgbuild. I'd like to see if it builds, and if not, what the problem could be
2024-05-12 19:30:02	MacGyver	Jupelius: Even if the input voltage might go up to 253V?
2024-05-12 19:30:36	MacGyver	Anyway, same ambient temperature, solar panels are not producing as much atm, and the reproducer no longer works.
2024-05-12 19:31:04	jerry_	or perhaps, someone knows why cmake acts differently when I try to build a program from the command line vs. when I try to build theh same program using the pkgbuild
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2024-05-12 19:38:58	teraflops	jerry_: PKGBUILD uses makepkg.conf settings
2024-05-12 19:39:00	astralc	jerry_: probably configuration in makepkg.conf , it is sourced for makepkg builds
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2024-05-12 19:42:22	MacGyver	I wish I had a way of checking what the actual grid voltage is during the day.
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2024-05-12 20:14:41	Jupelius	MacGyver: even if the voltage would go from 253Vac to 125Vdc directly
2024-05-12 20:15:01	Jupelius	Though I have no idea how shitty the standard computer PSU is
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2024-05-12 20:28:27	MacGyver	Jupelius: It's not shitty. But the input voltage is 13V higher than it's supposed to be.
2024-05-12 20:28:39	MacGyver	Jupelius: It does have 8.5 years of use on it.
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2024-05-12 20:32:02	chovy	how do i do password-less sudo on arch? i tried what works on ubuntu %wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL but that doesnt'w ork on arch
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2024-05-12 20:33:32	astralc	define doesn't work
2024-05-12 20:33:59	BrainDamage	that looks like it should work
2024-05-12 20:34:03	Gaboradon	Hello
2024-05-12 20:34:19	chovy	astralc: i still get prompted for a password
2024-05-12 20:34:31	Gaboradon	I'm following this guide for the badblocks alternative using cryptsetup and shred
2024-05-12 20:34:39	astralc	visudo have a commented out part for it, did you uncomment it?
2024-05-12 20:34:44	chovy	yes
2024-05-12 20:34:51	chovy	i'm in wheel and admin groups
2024-05-12 20:34:53	Gaboradon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/badblocks#Alternatives - It doesn't seem to me that shred is writing anything to the disk
2024-05-12 20:34:54	phrik	Title: badblocks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-12 20:34:59	BrainDamage	can you pastebin the sudoers file?
2024-05-12 20:35:00	chovy	i created an admin group for passwd less
2024-05-12 20:35:11	astralc	also, you don't have other thing %wheel maybe?
2024-05-12 20:35:24	astralc	why admin group?
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2024-05-12 20:35:37	astralc	it is not the name of the group you used
2024-05-12 20:35:39	Gaboradon	There's still old data in tail and head, I thought it might be writing from the first sector of the second platter - it's a WD43PURZ Purple 4TB HDD, so I tried in the middle of total sector count same thing.
2024-05-12 20:36:09	chovy	astralc: https://sprunge.us/CTQILv
2024-05-12 20:36:31	Gaboradon	sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 skip=1 count=1 | hexdump -Cv
2024-05-12 20:36:41	astralc	so you are in wheel or admin group?
2024-05-12 20:36:56	chovy	i'm in all three
2024-05-12 20:37:03	chovy	sudo, wheel, admin
2024-05-12 20:37:15	chovy	vboxusers ollama libvirt wheel ettinger docker nordvpn admin
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2024-05-12 20:37:16	chovy	nm
2024-05-12 20:37:16	BrainDamage	did you relogin after you added yourself to the group(s) ?
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2024-05-12 20:37:23	chovy	i opened a new shell
2024-05-12 20:37:27	chovy	do i have to reboot?
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2024-05-12 20:37:42	BrainDamage	no, just relogin
2024-05-12 20:37:43	astralc	logout, or use newgrp for temporary change
2024-05-12 20:37:55	chovy	yea i did that
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2024-05-12 21:02:36	chovy	does anyone know why password-less doesn't wrk?
2024-05-12 21:21:32	astralc	what the output of `groups`?
2024-05-12 21:22:51	chovy	vboxusers ollama libvirt wheel ettinger docker nordvpn admin
2024-05-12 21:22:54	chovy	astralc: 
2024-05-12 21:23:54	astralc	and the line in sudoers?
2024-05-12 21:25:05	astralc	if you didn't change sudoers from you previous paste - change %wheel to %admin, like the 'with password' line
2024-05-12 21:25:15	chovy	http://sprunge.us/HOy37t
2024-05-12 21:26:05	chovy	i don't know what you mean 'with password' line
2024-05-12 21:27:21	chovy	here's what it looks like now: http://sprunge.us/y9gDot
2024-05-12 21:27:36	chovy	i'm still being prompted in new window
2024-05-12 21:29:52	astralc	comment the line `%admin ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL` (make sure you are in root separate root shell before, just in case)
2024-05-12 21:30:00	astralc	wait
2024-05-12 21:30:16	astralc	you added NOPASSWD to admin
2024-05-12 21:33:55	astralc	do you have anything in /etc/sudoers.d?
2024-05-12 21:41:32	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-05-12 21:43:43	Jupelius	MacGyver: 13V difference is irrelevant, don't worry about it
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2024-05-12 21:54:45	chovy	astralc: that was it. there was an entry for my username in /etc/sudoers.d/00_ettinger
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2024-05-12 21:57:39	chovy	so i guess removing that file and having two groups of admin and wheel were conflicting.
2024-05-12 21:57:42	chovy	its working now
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2024-05-12 22:44:32	susi	you should be well aware off sudoers.d/00_ettinger file and its effects on the system
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2024-05-12 22:55:27	xecuter	hi, i have a small bug, since i had upgrade to plasma (kde) 6. in the login manager is mostly only u.s. layout available, but i never had problems. i just wanted to tell this.
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2024-05-12 22:57:28	Veryhappy	Hello. I'm a 36 year old man from Germany, into archlinux, ubuntu is too bloated. I already have set up archlinux successfully a few times. Now I'm depressed because I got myself an orange pi 5 plus and I can't get the chipset driver for wifi to work, furthermore I think I wasted my money because I got only limited possibilities on aarch64. Can someone please help me out? Thank you.
2024-05-12 22:57:57	Namarrgon	Try #archlinuxarm, you're in the wrong channel.
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2024-05-12 22:58:11	Veryhappy	Thank you 
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2024-05-12 23:00:09	demonicmaniac1	o.O
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2024-05-12 23:05:18	jenia2	Hello
2024-05-12 23:06:15	jenia2	I need to install wine and I think I need to enable multi-lib. If I insttall the packages there, it won't interfer with my other packages? Like I see things like lib32-alsa-lib, it wont break my regular alsa install you think?
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2024-05-12 23:08:31	kode54	jenia2: no
2024-05-12 23:08:36	kode54	it won't break it
2024-05-12 23:08:37	edu4rdshl	jenia2, they are lib32 versions...
2024-05-12 23:08:39	edu4rdshl	So no
2024-05-12 23:09:14	jenia2	alrght, thanks!
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2024-05-12 23:37:41	MacGyver	Jupelius: You can say I shouldn't worry about it, but grid conditions have had to be the cause here.
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2024-05-12 23:38:15	MacGyver	Jupelius: I'm not worried in the sense that it's gonna spontaneously combust; I'm merely wondering what exactly was causing the problem.
2024-05-12 23:38:49	MacGyver	I wish I had equipment to measure power quality from the wall.
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2024-05-12 23:44:41	aaii_	Hi guys, after installing arch I don't have any ping, I installed dhcpd in arch-chroot and still doesn't work
2024-05-12 23:44:53	aaii_	also my route table is empty
2024-05-12 23:45:25	Namarrgon	"dhcpd" is the server, you probably wanted to set up a dhcp client.
2024-05-12 23:45:53	Namarrgon	systemd-networkd already has one, otherwise install e.g. dhcpcd
2024-05-12 23:46:20	aaii_	I start system-networkd with systemctl too Namarrgon 
2024-05-12 23:46:45	Namarrgon	You have to write configs for it, it doesn't do much otherwise.
2024-05-12 23:47:28	aaii_	How ? :O config for what
2024-05-12 23:47:54	aaii_	in process of installation I had internet and ping but after that no
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2024-05-12 23:48:23	Namarrgon	You need to tell it that you want it to configure an interface via dhcp.
2024-05-12 23:48:39	aaii_	yes maybe
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2024-05-12 23:48:47	Namarrgon	The archiso comes preconfigured, you have to configure the new system yourself.
2024-05-12 23:49:10	Namarrgon	The systemd-networkd wikipage sould have examples for simple dhcp setups.
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2024-05-12 23:49:47	Namarrgon	As does 'man systemd.network', 
2024-05-12 23:49:50	Namarrgon	at the bottom.
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2024-05-12 23:53:15	aaii_	Namarrgon, I added config like wiki still doesn't work
2024-05-12 23:53:53	Namarrgon	What is in that config and where did you put it?
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2024-05-12 23:54:42	aaii_	Namarrgon, /etc/systemd/network/20-wired.network
2024-05-12 23:55:04	aaii_	[Match]Name=enp1s0 [Network]DHCP=yes
2024-05-12 23:56:16	Namarrgon	Does 'networkctl' show that the interface is configured?
2024-05-12 23:57:00	aaii_	Namarrgon, it says degraded
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2024-05-12 23:57:27	aaii_	also umnaged
2024-05-12 23:58:04	Namarrgon	'networkctl reconfigure enp1s0'
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2024-05-12 23:59:13	aaii_	Namarrgon, I did it now nothing changed
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2024-05-12 23:59:48	Namarrgon	Is the interface configured now?
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2024-05-13 00:00:17	aaii_	still same
2024-05-13 00:00:32	aaii_	degraded umnaged Namarrgon 
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2024-05-13 00:01:25	Namarrgon	'journalctl -u systemd-networkd' look for errors.
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2024-05-13 00:04:12	aaii_	no valid setting found in Match section
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2024-05-13 00:06:02	aaii_	it worked now. Namarrgon 
2024-05-13 00:06:10	aaii_	Namarrgon, thanks for your help
2024-05-13 00:06:18	Namarrgon	What was the problem?
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2024-05-13 00:06:45	Namarrgon	Can you ping the gateway now?
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2024-05-13 00:07:42	aaii_	Namarrgon, shit still same
2024-05-13 00:07:52	aaii_	I reboot the system still same error again
2024-05-13 00:08:04	aaii_	Namarrgon, one was I wrote MATCH instead of Match
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2024-05-13 00:08:18	aaii_	but now still face to same problem after reboot
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2024-05-13 00:08:36	Namarrgon	So the above snippet was copy-pasted from the wiki, not what was in the file?
2024-05-13 00:10:34	aaii_	Namarrgon, yeah actually one mistake from me "Match" also the problem now was I didn't enable the service systemd-networkd that's why after reboot I didn't have network again
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2024-05-13 00:11:35	ana_briated	aaii_: `systemctl enable systemd-networkd` - more information on enable vs start here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Help:Reading#Control_of_systemd_units
2024-05-13 00:11:37	phrik	Title: Help:Reading - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-13 00:12:19	aaii_	ana_briated, Thanks, yes I enabled that
2024-05-13 00:12:31	ana_briated	solid
2024-05-13 00:12:51	ana_briated	a second issue might be enp1s0 might not be the link name
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2024-05-13 00:13:06	ana_briated	networkctl will show you the names of the links you have available
2024-05-13 00:13:48	ana_briated	generally, links starting with `en` will be ethernet `wl` will be wifi, `br` is bluetooth
2024-05-13 00:14:02	ana_briated	*bl
2024-05-13 00:14:19	ana_briated	br is bridge, which is something else entirely
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2024-05-13 00:16:42	aaii_	hmm
2024-05-13 00:17:10	Namarrgon	aaii_: You still need to configure systemd-resolved, so that it handles /etc/resolv.conf for you.
2024-05-13 00:17:21	aaii_	I did
2024-05-13 00:17:39	aaii_	Now I'm in section Graphical interface
2024-05-13 00:17:42	aaii_	it's new for me :O
2024-05-13 00:18:35	aaii_	If I install a windows manager with pacman does it install all dependencies like Xorg and ..?
2024-05-13 00:19:05	Namarrgon	No
2024-05-13 00:19:22	aaii_	oh
2024-05-13 00:19:27	Namarrgon	You want to make sure that you install xorg-server and, probably, xorg-xinit.
2024-05-13 00:19:51	cloudowind	i just say xorg , and pacman installs the rest :)
2024-05-13 00:20:08	aaii_	:O
2024-05-13 00:20:11	aaii_	I installed i3
2024-05-13 00:20:20	aaii_	but without xorg , LoL
2024-05-13 00:20:28	ana_briated	turns out...
2024-05-13 00:20:40	cloudowind	yea which is cool tho , you can choose with x system you wanna use 
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2024-05-13 00:22:27	aaii_	I should manual configure it?
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2024-05-13 00:23:23	ana_briated	depends on your gpu
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2024-05-13 00:24:16	aaii_	why I don't have this dir /etc/x11 after installing xorg
2024-05-13 00:24:17	ana_briated	the default options usually work out of the box
2024-05-13 00:24:36	ana_briated	aaii_: is it /etc/X11?
2024-05-13 00:24:55	aaii_	yes
2024-05-13 00:24:58	ana_briated	if not, startx should at least generate it
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2024-05-13 00:25:00	aaii_	doesn't exist
2024-05-13 00:25:05	ana_briated	otherwise you can simple create one
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2024-05-13 00:25:20	aaii_	command not found startx :))
2024-05-13 00:25:23	ana_briated	ahh
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2024-05-13 00:25:39	ana_briated	I think I might be stuck in the past
2024-05-13 00:25:45	cloudowind	i start my xfce as startxfce4
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2024-05-13 00:26:13	ana_briated	I've been DE pilled for too long
2024-05-13 00:26:38	aaii_	hmm same I've been using same distro for 11 years
2024-05-13 00:26:56	cloudowind	maybe you type i3 or starti3 or something
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2024-05-13 00:27:46	teraflops	aaii_: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/xinit https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/xorg
2024-05-13 00:27:47	phrik	Title: xinit - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-13 00:27:57	ana_briated	so iirc (and I'm referencing as I go), the startup sequence is Display Manager/xinit --> window manager
2024-05-13 00:28:22	ana_briated	so you get to decide if you want to login via display manager or using tty
2024-05-13 00:29:06	ana_briated	as someone used to the luxury of GUIs, I recommend picking a display manager
2024-05-13 00:29:34	CodePoint	Those are nice.
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2024-05-13 00:29:37	ana_briated	but if you're fine with logging in via tty, you can just call xinit through bash or profile or something
2024-05-13 00:29:49	jenia2	I need to install windows into an emulator. I'm getting "unable to open /dev/net/tun, is tun module loaded?: no such device". Anyone knows how to install tun?
2024-05-13 00:29:56	jenia2	is it in openvpn package?
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2024-05-13 00:30:15	ana_briated	jenia2: do you perhaps mean VM?
2024-05-13 00:30:30	jenia2	yes
2024-05-13 00:30:35	ana_briated	ok just double checking
2024-05-13 00:30:37	CodePoint	I mean a VM is a type of emulator...
2024-05-13 00:30:49	ana_briated	okay technically correct
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2024-05-13 00:30:55	aaii_	ana_briated, I did it with xinit i3
2024-05-13 00:30:59	jenia2	ana_briated: yup
2024-05-13 00:31:00	CodePoint	"The BEST kind of correct"
2024-05-13 00:31:47	ana_briated	uhh, checklist -> a) do you have hardware virtualization settings turned on? b) are you using qemu/kvm c) do you use a gui
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2024-05-13 00:32:22	jenia2	I'm using a GUI. I don't think my hardware supports virtualization :( 
2024-05-13 00:32:38	ana_briated	aaii_: nice, now you get to pick if you want to add that to your login script (~/.profile I think) or use a display manager - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Display_manager
2024-05-13 00:32:40	phrik	Title: Display manager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-13 00:32:55	ana_briated	jenia2: intel? AMD?
2024-05-13 00:33:02	jenia2	intel
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2024-05-13 00:34:22	ana_briated	jenia2: you want to look through your motherboard/laptop's BIOS menu and find VT-x
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2024-05-13 00:35:02	jenia2	that's how I enable tun?
2024-05-13 00:35:22	ana_briated	no in order to enable tun you need to run qemu as root
2024-05-13 00:35:28	ana_briated	I have led you on a bit of a goose chase
2024-05-13 00:35:48	teraflops	how is install windows into an emulator and unable to open tun related?
2024-05-13 00:36:13	ana_briated	wait this is assuming you're using qemu
2024-05-13 00:36:41	teraflops	also what is an emulator?
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2024-05-13 00:36:53	jenia2	teraflops: I'm getting the error "unable to open /dev/net/tun, is tun module loaded"?
2024-05-13 00:36:59	jenia2	qemu
2024-05-13 00:37:04	teraflops	jenia2: where? qemu?
2024-05-13 00:37:14	jenia2	yes
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2024-05-13 00:38:14	ana_briated	jenia2: you can try setting your VM to use NAT or bridge
2024-05-13 00:38:41	ana_briated	also apparently there's some shenanigans with network persistence, so rebooting may actually fix
2024-05-13 00:39:01	teraflops	jenia2: how are you starting the vm, as normal user or as root?
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2024-05-13 00:39:28	teraflops	ok
2024-05-13 00:39:43	ana_briated	lol they immediated hit that reboot button
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2024-05-13 00:42:00	teraflops	either new kernel installed and they forgot to reboot or running the vm as normal user
2024-05-13 00:43:20	ana_briated	VMs are quite fussy to set up
2024-05-13 00:44:03	teraflops	if command is not ok you can use something like gnome boxes or virt-manager
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2024-05-13 00:45:28	ana_briated	even virt-manager took some tinkering
2024-05-13 00:45:40	ana_briated	but it was definitely easier than doing it via cli
2024-05-13 00:48:42	teraflops	aaii_: so you have to install xorg-server and xorg-xinit
2024-05-13 00:49:34	teraflops	if you do start create ~/.xinitrc as described here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/xinit
2024-05-13 00:49:36	phrik	Title: xinit - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-13 00:49:43	teraflops	startx^
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2024-05-13 00:55:12	aaii_	ana_briated, teraflops thanks for your help
2024-05-13 00:55:35	teraflops	np
2024-05-13 00:56:27	ana_briated	np
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2024-05-13 02:24:57	ectospasm	has anyone ever seen `touch /tmp/some_filename` not actually create the file?  I ran into that earlier today.  When I looked it up, I couldn't find anything meaningful, and when I tried again, it worked.
2024-05-13 02:26:17	ectospasm	so, on this system, a tmpfs is mounted on /tmp, and it has 32G of space (32G free/80M used).
2024-05-13 02:26:36	kode54	so you have 64G of RAM
2024-05-13 02:26:45	ectospasm	kode54: yes
2024-05-13 02:26:52	kode54	same
2024-05-13 02:27:13	kode54	weird that a file just didn't come into existence
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2024-05-13 02:27:26	kode54	unless you raced something wiping /tmp
2024-05-13 02:27:33	kode54	which would be odd
2024-05-13 02:27:45	kode54	nothing should be wiping even temp folders indescriminately
2024-05-13 02:27:47	ectospasm	Maybe it was a temporary blip?  I overcame it by `touch /run/user/${UID}/some_filename`, which is a better place to put this file.
2024-05-13 02:28:01	ectospasm	NetSysFire: yeah, when I tried reproducing it a few minutes later, I couldn't.
2024-05-13 02:28:10	ectospasm	So something weird, but temporary.
2024-05-13 02:28:48	ectospasm	Cosmic rays?  Maybe, but I wouldn't have expected that to be so consistent in the moment.
2024-05-13 02:29:42	ectospasm	The only thing I could think of, I have a script that formats my battery charge and charging status (represents charging with a Unicode lightning bolt), and my guess is it was still running when I noticed the problem.
2024-05-13 02:30:07	ectospasm	It's basically for dmenu, so I can quickly see my battery status near the top of the scren in XMonad.
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2024-05-13 02:30:47	ectospasm	NetSysFire: yes, when battery is low it created the file with this:  `touch /tmp/battery_low`
2024-05-13 02:31:29	ectospasm	Maybe there was a file descriptor open and when charge goes back above 5 percent (and it's charging), my script deletes the file.
2024-05-13 02:32:34	ectospasm	That's what it's doing, but this extra logic with the battery_low file is so I only send a dunst notice once.
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2024-05-13 02:33:57	ectospasm	And I'd had a bug in this for quite some time:  when I plug power, if the charge was exactly 5 percent the dunst notices kept coming (as seen by a counter in the dunst notice)
2024-05-13 02:34:38	ectospasm	NetSysFire: I haven't been able to reproduce it, I likely "fixed" the problem when I reloaded XMonad and it restarted my battery script.
2024-05-13 02:34:56	ectospasm	Also, I store the file in /run/user/${UID}/battery_low now.
2024-05-13 02:35:25	ectospasm	And earlier when I was below 5 percent I was able to test my fix.  No more dunst messages over and over.
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2024-05-13 02:36:30	ectospasm	Basically, I don't store it in an environment variable in case I restart the script/reload XMonad while I'm low on charge.
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2024-05-13 18:01:22	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-13 18:01:22	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1486 nicks (2 ops, 0 voiced, 1484 regular)
2024-05-13 09:36:20	predicament	JSignPDF looks like a pain.
2024-05-13 09:36:56	predicament	I would rather just adobe this dumb shit and not have to bother with whatever I'm seeing lol.
2024-05-13 09:37:33	glitsj16	consider using a VM if jsignpdf is too painful?
2024-05-13 09:37:45	predicament	i currently do that.
2024-05-13 09:37:58	predicament	i was trying to do it with wine this time beacuse somene got it to work
2024-05-13 09:38:10	predicament	nothing wrong with what I'm trying to do here
2024-05-13 09:38:20	predicament	so you need to get off my back
2024-05-13 09:39:05	predicament	i just dont know what that crap is on jsignpdf
2024-05-13 09:39:19	tribly	then why are you ranting here, if you don't want any feedback and/or suggestions?
2024-05-13 09:39:22	predicament	keystore and keystore type
2024-05-13 09:39:27	predicament	what the hell would i be doing
2024-05-13 09:39:46	predicament	is that extracted from the pdf?
2024-05-13 09:40:07	predicament	i didnt say THAT tribily
2024-05-13 09:40:15	predicament	*tribly
2024-05-13 09:40:40	predicament	what are you even talking about...
2024-05-13 09:41:40	predicament	yeah i am abrasive.  i came off a little assholeish there
2024-05-13 09:41:43	predicament	sorry
2024-05-13 09:42:08	predicament	i just dont know what some of tha stuff is, or well i kinda do but does it just like extract it from the pdf?
2024-05-13 09:42:53	tribly	what kind of signature are you trying to create?
2024-05-13 09:43:19	predicament	i'm trying to sign somethin to send back to fidelity
2024-05-13 09:43:35	predicament	as i understand the investment
2024-05-13 09:43:42	predicament	and i need to have the electronic signature
2024-05-13 09:43:45	predicament	i said this
2024-05-13 09:43:56	predicament	this is making me laugh lol
2024-05-13 09:44:33	tribly	so i'm guessing you're putting a 'written' signature on a pdf, and not signing via cert, right?
2024-05-13 09:44:45	predicament	right
2024-05-13 09:45:34	predicament	it's just considered 'written' but electronic.
2024-05-13 09:46:51	tribly	depending on where you live and electronic signature can mean two things.
2024-05-13 09:46:54	predicament	im just gonna stop talkng since no altneratives are beibg tossed out.  you're welcome guys.
2024-05-13 09:47:06	predicament	oh okay
2024-05-13 09:47:13	predicament	im saying
2024-05-13 09:47:25	predicament	staying*
2024-05-13 09:47:29	predicament	fucking thing
2024-05-13 09:47:47	predicament	so go ahead
2024-05-13 09:48:00	predicament	can neab twi tgubgs
2024-05-13 09:48:44	predicament	can read two things*
2024-05-13 09:49:03	predicament	can mean* there.. now im here if you're still talking.
2024-05-13 09:49:30	predicament	fucking edible is gonna knock me out hard
2024-05-13 09:49:52	predicament	so um anyone like tribly
2024-05-13 09:50:03	predicament	jelle eeven
2024-05-13 09:50:13	tribly	how about putting a png of your signature onto the pdf and call it a day?
2024-05-13 09:50:38	predicament	i can't ever make it look right
2024-05-13 09:50:55	predicament	i guess the only thing i have is a vm.
2024-05-13 09:50:57	predicament	thanks.
2024-05-13 09:51:11	tribly	you're welcome
2024-05-13 09:51:19	predicament	gonna shut up now, that was pointless.
2024-05-13 10:00:21	predicament	one silver lining.. on the new install on the laptop that has the RTX 4070 failed on him via graphics being broken i guess and by then i couldn't return in.
2024-05-13 10:00:56	predicament	but a good thing just happen.  that new  install works with protected mode it seems
2024-05-13 10:01:20	predicament	maybe it was random
2024-05-13 10:01:26	predicament	i'll keep trying them
2024-05-13 10:49:31	sinbad	I have too aur packages say, an old "foo" and a new one "bar". bar's PKGBUILD has the config field "replaces=(foo)" and also (conflicts=(foo)). My understanding of the related doc (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR_submission_guidelines) is that at the next update foo should be replaced by bar. But that does not happen. If I install bar explicitly bar successfully replaces foo after
2024-05-13 10:49:31	sinbad	confirmation. However, that does not help automat
2024-05-13 10:49:31	sinbad	ically informing my users about the change. What am I missing?
2024-05-13 10:55:31	wunit	sinbad: have you built the package and added it to some repo known to pacman?
2024-05-13 10:55:59	astralc	I think conflict/replace will only affect repo and installed packages & during install and when installing 'foreign'
2024-05-13 10:56:31	astralc	I don't remember if any aur helper prompt replace from AUR automatically
2024-05-13 10:57:29	wunit	I'd be surprised if anyone did, it would essentially need to check the entire AUR for potential replaces
2024-05-13 10:57:38	wunit	and if it did, it'd be a mess, given the Wild West the AUR is
2024-05-13 11:25:07	sinbad	wunit: of course both packages are online. otherwise how the manual install could work.
2024-05-13 11:26:00	sinbad	wunit: it is not so difficult, both are my own package.
2024-05-13 11:26:48	sinbad	anyway, the problem of informing my users are still there
2024-05-13 11:27:39	wunit	sinbad: please define "online" - are they built packages in a package repo, or are they just the PKGBUILDs on the AUR?
2024-05-13 11:28:42	gromit	sinbad: also why is replaces=(...) being used?
2024-05-13 11:28:45	demonicmaniac1	sinbad: the simple answer is there is no way automatically. what you can do is put something on the aur page for the old package mentioning "x is the replacement" or make the old package say "please move on to new package" via .install and bump it
2024-05-13 11:29:40	sinbad	wunit: Oh, I see your point, actually if could test package repo since I am running one.
2024-05-13 11:30:28	sinbad	demonicmaniac1:  yeah, I am doing that right now.
2024-05-13 11:33:15	sinbad	gromit: not sure what you mean, I think explained what I expect (maybe wrongly) from it.
2024-05-13 11:33:53	gromit	sinbad: no I wanted to understand why replaces is used at all, so why package foo should replace bar
2024-05-13 11:38:07	sinbad	gromit: foo (as an application ) is deprecated in favor of bar. I am the author of both programs.
2024-05-13 11:46:37	intelfx	is there any formal rule against ad-hoc dirty $srcdir cleanup code in PKGBUILDs?
2024-05-13 11:50:42	sinbad	Even now seeing my misinterpretation, this whole situation make me wonder about the shortcomings of aur nowdays. In particular and in the view of the common pkg repo went out of favor. There seem to be an increasing number of flatpak and appimage "aur" packages and individual user runned package repos. And of course, there are a huge number of *-bin aur packages.
2024-05-13 11:57:51	sinbad	An additional background, my apps are written in Haskell. Arch became a rather hostile environment for Haskell. Even disregarding this, to compile huge (rust, haskell) packages are not most users' cup of tee.
2024-05-13 11:58:25	intelfx	"Arch became a rather hostile environment for Haskell" - how so?
2024-05-13 11:58:31	demonicmaniac1	sinbad: the aur is unsupported. the only solution to what you want is to have an aur helper that fetches the whole aur to handle replaces
2024-05-13 11:59:38	demonicmaniac1	intelfx: dynamic linking which haskell "upstream" doesn't like
2024-05-13 12:00:18	intelfx	ah, well, tough luck
2024-05-13 12:00:48	demonicmaniac1	because haskell has no stable abi it requires recompilation on every update of haskell/libs
2024-05-13 12:01:03	sinbad	intelfx: nobody at their right mind uses the arch provided haskell packages, haskell development happens using user local and ghcup.
2024-05-13 12:01:32	kode54	how about nobody in their right mind uses an unstable language
2024-05-13 12:01:57	intelfx	dynamic linking was the norm all along, it's arguably the languages that are hostile to the way Linux environments have been operating all this time
2024-05-13 12:02:41	intelfx	also it's barely something unique, I've been hearing claims about "nobody in the right mind uses system-provided X packages to do X development" left and right for a pretty diverse set of X :>
2024-05-13 12:03:12	kode54	the g in the compiler name makes me think "garbage"
2024-05-13 12:03:36	intelfx	and it's invariably those "X"es whose authors think that the world is a docker container, or something like that
2024-05-13 12:03:45	sinbad	kode54: well, haskell is stable enough for me 
2024-05-13 12:03:59	kode54	shrug, I'll stick to what I know, Cish languages
2024-05-13 12:04:39	intelfx	sinbad: there are different notions of stability — we (people who administer Linux systems) care about the "binary" notion of it
2024-05-13 12:05:25	sinbad	my -bin apps are not strictly static just the haskell libs. although I provide fully statically linked execs too.
2024-05-13 12:06:52	sinbad	intelfx: I wearing both hats. ;-)
2024-05-13 12:11:19	intelfx	well with my user hat on I strongly prefer dynamically linked applications to rebuilding the world every time something changes
2024-05-13 12:11:22	sinbad	In my view, continuously  recompiling the milliard arch provided haskell packages nobody is using a huge waste of resources.
2024-05-13 12:11:48	intelfx	otoh I guess with Haskell you have to rebuild the world otherwise cause no stable abi
2024-05-13 12:17:28	sinbad	intelfx: sure, however you cannot really do that with languages using aggressive cross module optimization.
2024-05-13 12:19:38	sinbad	It is not really an abi question, for safety and performance you need to pay a price.
2024-05-13 12:27:13	solsTiCe	hi. I am trying to compile a kernel by using this time make localmodconfig with variable LSMOD pointing at a copy of ~/.config/modprobed.db But it asks me for a module GPIO_BT8XX and then seems to stall? any idea what cold be wrong?
2024-05-13 12:27:58	sinbad	intelfx: by the way, why we are developing in Haskell we do not have to rebuild all linked libraries just what changed (mostly be the developers). for distributing haskell aps I beleive my "mixed link" exec is  a more reasonable solution than arch's one.
2024-05-13 12:34:57	intelfx	sinbad, that's what I alluded to by "the world is a docker container"
2024-05-13 12:35:31	intelfx	if you develop an app on top of the ecosystem, that's a completely diferent situation than _playing nice with_ the ecosystem
2024-05-13 13:26:32	g105b	I'm working on a project for an engineering company, and they require me to connect to an old fashioned L2TP VPN, with username/password only. I'm struggling to connect. I'm trying to connect with nmcli, but I'm getting no connection. Any advice on how to track down logs, or if there's anything obvious I'm doing wrong? https://paste.sh/T9uD61r4#PTJMikY8XWV8nT2W0UQZhxOe
2024-05-13 13:26:32	phrik	Title: paste.sh · encrypted pastebin (at paste.sh)
2024-05-13 13:28:51	gromit	g105b: you could try to look at the whole log with journalctl -f and see if something pops up in another service or the kernel
2024-05-13 14:19:31	g105b	gromit: nice one. Yeah I can see more logs now regarding MS-CHAP authentication failed. Thanks
2024-05-13 14:38:31	Exa	the keyboard worked instantly on windows.  so I rebooted to arch and updated all packages.  I had some trouble reconnecting, but after resetting the pairing on both sides it connected again.  it still doesn't work though
2024-05-13 14:38:52	Exa	(updated and rebooted again)
2024-05-13 14:39:40	Exa	I'm going to try on another computer that also runs arch
2024-05-13 14:41:26	hseg	Just realized I made a typo in pkgname for an AUR package, what's the procedure?
2024-05-13 14:42:01	hseg	(was confused by the existence of both PyYAML and pyaml, and named the mypy typing stubs package for the former python-types-pyaml)
2024-05-13 14:43:25	gromit	hseg: I think the maintainer of a newly submitted AUR package can self-delete within 24hr's 
2024-05-13 14:43:35	gromit	So file a deletion request and it should be auto-accepted
2024-05-13 14:43:39	hseg	uploaded 2024-04-04
2024-05-13 14:43:55	hseg	just realized this now
2024-05-13 14:44:18	hseg	Actually, checking aur, the correct python-types-pyyaml already exists
2024-05-13 14:44:32	hseg	probably should just ask my package to be merged with it, right?
2024-05-13 14:44:49	gromit	hseg: then still file a deletion request :p Merge only transfers votes & comments, idk if thats worth it 
2024-05-13 14:45:37	hseg	ok
2024-05-13 14:46:37	hseg	thanks
2024-05-13 14:57:19	astralc	Exa: use bluetoothctl as written here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bluetooth_keyboard, maybe blueberry hide something
2024-05-13 14:57:45	astralc	also check dmesg/journalctl after connecting to see if it added as input device
2024-05-13 15:42:24	Exa	it worked on another device running arch, still no clue for this one.  I also tried to connect using the 2 other bluetooth "channels" the keyboard can use (each got their own MAC address).  I'm giving up, I can use the USB-A dongle instead of bluetooth
2024-05-13 15:57:58	hseg	namcap is complaining that a dependency is detected but not included, but then in its last "Dependencies as namcap sees them" line, it includes that very dependency. What gives?
2024-05-13 15:59:36	hseg	ah, wait, the dependencies it's confused by are makedeps
2024-05-13 16:00:29	hseg	so eg it's misunderstanding a dependency from sphinx_ext.py as a hard dep by the package, instead of a makedep
2024-05-13 16:06:29	astralc	the file is in the package after building it?
2024-05-13 16:09:26	hseg	huh, yes it is
2024-05-13 16:09:37	hseg	that's odd, wouldn't expect it to land there
2024-05-13 16:10:23	hseg	presumably, upstream wheel config includes unnecessary stuff?
2024-05-13 16:11:37	hseg	(not farfetched -- to my dismay, I need to generate the wheel twice to generate the docs)
2024-05-13 16:13:53	BoBeR182	If a broken package is in arch, and it's got a bug report for 3 months, when is it appropriate to request a downgrade (since volunteer effort cannot be demanded to make a patch)?
2024-05-13 16:14:57	BoBeR182	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/wpscan/-/issues/1
2024-05-13 16:14:59	phrik	Title: Application crashes at launch (#1) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / wpscan · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-13 16:21:19	ponies	now is appropriate BoBeR182 
2024-05-13 16:21:55	BoBeR182	is there a process to request this?
2024-05-13 16:21:58	BoBeR182	or is it a mailing list
2024-05-13 16:22:01	BoBeR182	I'm only on aur-dev
2024-05-13 16:22:16	BoBeR182	and recently joined arch testing to prevent these types of bugs in the future
2024-05-13 16:22:29	ponies	kpcyrd owns that package
2024-05-13 16:23:44	BoBeR182	they unassigned it from themselves tho
2024-05-13 16:25:00	ponies	oh its a wordpress tool
2024-05-13 16:26:06	BoBeR182	it's a security tool
2024-05-13 16:26:12	BoBeR182	that scans for wordpress bugs
2024-05-13 16:26:13	ponies	there is wpscan-git in the AUR
2024-05-13 16:26:30	ponies	so its a really old package, and the git seems outdated
2024-05-13 16:26:42	BoBeR182	that's also potential to be buggy since master isn't always in a working state
2024-05-13 16:27:03	BoBeR182	I need this at work, currently I just manually downgrade after updating my work machine
2024-05-13 16:27:10	ponies	ah ok the git is active still, its fine
2024-05-13 16:27:27	BoBeR182	yes, just some ruby-gem-json is broken
2024-05-13 16:27:31	BoBeR182	the actual tool works
2024-05-13 16:27:38	ponies	but i am assuming the one from the AUR is working
2024-05-13 16:28:54	BrainDamage	create a local package with a pkgrel with a decimal, this way it'll get prio over arch's at until arch's one gets bumped
2024-05-13 16:29:17	BrainDamage	so if eg arch has pkgrel 2, use 2.1
2024-05-13 16:29:35	ponies	he probably dropped the package because he doesn't use wordpress anymore
2024-05-13 16:30:06	BoBeR182	it's not a wordpress tool
2024-05-13 16:30:15	ponies	oh
2024-05-13 16:30:16	BoBeR182	it's a stand alone scanning tool written in python IIRC
2024-05-13 16:30:21	BoBeR182	it scans wordpress installs
2024-05-13 16:31:03	ponies	erm.. 
2024-05-13 16:31:25	ponies	who knows when the package will get bumped. i venture it's candidate for removal 
2024-05-13 16:33:46	BoBeR182	not removal, just downgrade to last working version
2024-05-13 16:33:54	BoBeR182	it's a good package and useful
2024-05-13 16:34:51	ponies	you could always ask somebody to adopt it
2024-05-13 16:35:27	BoBeR182	ponies: wanna adopt it?
2024-05-13 16:36:07	kpcyrd	ponies: (re: wpscan) I'm the last packager, but I disowned it because I don't know enough about ruby to do anything, anthraxx is the only remaining maintainer. If somebody sends a patch to https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/wpscan/-/merge_requests I would look into it (when pinged)
2024-05-13 16:36:08	phrik	Title: Merge requests · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / wpscan · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-13 16:36:23	ponies	if you feel it belongs. there was a time when wl-copy was assigned to AUR lol 
2024-05-13 16:37:13	ponies	i cant adopt it i am not a package maintainer BoBeR182 
2024-05-13 16:48:07	Numero	trying to do an install here and once in the chroot everything i try to pacman -S says error signature from "Christian Hesse..." is unknown trust
2024-05-13 16:49:15	gromit	!give Numero fixkeyring
2024-05-13 16:49:16	phrik	Numero: Your keyring issue would be probably fixed by: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
2024-05-13 16:50:34	Numero	gromit: problem in question keeps solution from working
2024-05-13 16:51:00	gromit	Numero: how old is your ISO? 
2024-05-13 16:52:15	Numero	gromit: this time i didn't use an iso - i did this instead https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Netboot#Boot_from_a_USB_flash_drive
2024-05-13 16:52:17	phrik	Title: Netboot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-13 16:53:13	gromit	Numero: hm, strange 🤔 
2024-05-13 16:53:20	gromit	!give Numero fixkeyring2
2024-05-13 16:53:21	phrik	Numero: If your keyring issue hasn't been fixed yet, try: rm -rf /etc/pacman.d/gnupg && pacman-key --init && pacman-key --populate && pacman-key --refresh-keys
2024-05-13 16:53:58	bswartz	gromit: Is there a fixkeyring3?
2024-05-13 16:54:26	bswartz	I'm scared to find out....
2024-05-13 16:54:30	gromit	bswartz: there is no fixkeyring1 which I fell for quite a few times now :p 
2024-05-13 16:54:57	gromit	bswartz: there is no fixkeyring3
2024-05-13 16:59:22	Scimmia	bswartz: that would be !panic
2024-05-13 17:01:33	Numero	normal for pacman-key --refresh-keys to take a while?
2024-05-13 17:01:47	bswartz	!panic
2024-05-13 17:01:48	phrik	https://eured.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/oh-noes-everybody-panic.gif
2024-05-13 17:02:07	bswartz	Seems about right
2024-05-13 17:02:53	Numero	worked perfectly - thanks gromit 
2024-05-13 17:02:58	gromit	Numero: great!
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2024-05-13 18:25:08	tusko	What is the difference between the jdk11-openjdk and jre11-openjdk packages? They're conflicting and I'm wondering if its preferable to keep one or the other.
2024-05-13 18:26:08	gromit	tusko: https://archlinux.org/news/incoming-changes-in-jdk-jre-21-packages-may-require-manual-intervention/
2024-05-13 18:26:09	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Incoming changes in JDK / JRE 21 packages may require manual intervention (at archlinux.org)
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2024-05-13 18:27:06	tusko	I read it earlier. It seemed to suggest keeping jdk which is what I did. Just trying to make sure I didn't gimp myself.
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2024-05-13 18:27:25	tusko	Sounds like jdk includes jre so thanks for the tip :)
2024-05-13 18:27:25	avu	tusko: if you only want to run Java apps, the JRE is enough, if you also want to build them, you need the JDK
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2024-05-13 19:34:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-13 19:34:30	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1491 nicks (2 ops, 0 voiced, 1489 regular)
2024-05-13 18:51:18	tusko	thanks avu :-*
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2024-05-13 19:52:52	greyltc	I've got this gpu: https://bpa.st/raw/ZKIQ (Radeon PRO W6400)
2024-05-13 19:53:33	greyltc	amdgpu is failing with it like this: https://bpa.st/raw/LG2Q
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2024-05-13 19:54:12	greyltc	Can anyone offer any advice on how to solve this?
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2024-05-13 20:19:03	Soni	what happens if you edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
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2024-05-13 20:19:43	mefistofeles	the universe implodes, don't do that~
2024-05-13 20:21:50	teraflops	that you read this https://paste.priet.us/screencast_2024-05-13-20-21-15.webm
2024-05-13 20:21:54	MacGyver	Soni: Grub runs with the edited config the next time you boot.
2024-05-13 20:22:08	teraflops	looops wrong file
2024-05-13 20:22:28	teraflops	https://paste.priet.us/screenshot_2024-05-13-20-22-17.png
2024-05-13 20:22:45	MacGyver	Soni: Grub config is usually auto-generated from templates, manually editing grub.cfg tends not to be what people actually want.
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2024-05-13 20:24:45	bswartz	Uninstall grub and replace it with systemd-boot. Your future self will thank you.
2024-05-13 20:25:09	⚡ 	mefistofeles is happy with grub, tbh
2024-05-13 20:25:20	⚡ 	teraflops is having a dejavu
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2024-05-13 20:32:05	predicament	grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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2024-05-13 20:32:59	MrDisguised	I installed the tor browser from their website but whenever I try to run start-tor-browser.desktop from nautilus file manager in gnome it opens my default text editor (gedit) idk why. Can anyone help?
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2024-05-13 20:33:30	predicament	isn;'t there a tor-browser in she repo?
2024-05-13 20:33:33	bswartz	.desktop files aren't meant to be run
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2024-05-13 20:33:47	predicament	mine run with cinnamon :P
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2024-05-13 20:34:13	predicament	in the*
2024-05-13 20:34:28	astralc	there is some setting somewhere to run desktop file as app
2024-05-13 20:34:51	astralc	dolphin do that (asking run or open in text editor)
2024-05-13 20:35:12	MrDisguised	bswartz, but ..... https://c-v.sh/caulinebackwoods.png
2024-05-13 20:35:35	bswartz	Did you do the +x chmod thing?
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2024-05-13 20:36:20	teraflops	MrDisguised: you are not following the instructions
2024-05-13 20:36:37	MrDisguised	https://paste.rs/4E7g2
2024-05-13 20:36:52	Soni	the problem with grub is that unless it's running in a chroot we can't just override stuff like the root filesystem
2024-05-13 20:37:03	MrDisguised	It already has rwx
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2024-05-13 20:37:09	teraflops	is says to run ./start...desktop not to open it from nautilus
2024-05-13 20:37:42	MrDisguised	./start-tor-browser when run from the command line doesn't open the tor browser
2024-05-13 20:37:53	teraflops	well, that is another issue 
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2024-05-13 20:38:11	ana_briated	odd, dekstop file should be runnable
2024-05-13 20:38:14	mefistofeles	!blame
2024-05-13 20:38:15	phrik	Allan.
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2024-05-13 20:39:14	teraflops	may be you should ask where you downloaded the software
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2024-05-13 20:39:46	astralc	do you get any message when running the desktop file in terminal?
2024-05-13 20:40:31	MrDisguised	@astralc, Launching './Browser/start-tor-browser --detach'...
2024-05-13 20:40:39	MrDisguised	then it doesn't launch
2024-05-13 20:40:45	astralc	so the desktop file work
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2024-05-13 20:41:20	MrDisguised	I cannot see any tor process running in my task manager. I am using btop
2024-05-13 20:41:38	astralc	is the directory in Exec correct?
2024-05-13 20:41:48	teraflops	why are you appending --detach to the command?
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2024-05-13 20:42:09	astralc	teraflops: it is what the tor browser from the site have
2024-05-13 20:42:44	teraflops	no
2024-05-13 20:43:22	MrDisguised	teraflops, I didn't run the --detach command ? I just ran "./start-tor-browser.desktop" and the terminal gave me the output "Launching './Browser/start-tor-browser --detach'..."
2024-05-13 20:43:35	teraflops	ah ok
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2024-05-13 20:45:50	teraflops	is there a ./Browser folder ?
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2024-05-13 20:46:17	teraflops	did you rad the .desktop file?
2024-05-13 20:46:28	teraflops	read^
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2024-05-13 20:47:18	teraflops	does it have an Exec= line?
2024-05-13 20:48:45	MrDisguised	teraflops, Yes I have all the files in /home/arch/Applications/Apps/tor-browser/Browser directory
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2024-05-13 20:49:28	MrDisguised	https://paste.rs/9nH4G
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2024-05-13 20:50:12	teraflops	did you modified that file?
2024-05-13 20:50:25	astralc	clearly the Exec pointing to other user folder
2024-05-13 20:51:04	teraflops	did you check that those paths exist?
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2024-05-13 20:51:28	ac_slater	anyone know of a simple gnu-style tool to print a scatter plot to console? (other than gnuplot)
2024-05-13 20:51:43	ac_slater	 ie - `./a.out > data; plot data`
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2024-05-13 20:53:09	MrDisguised	teraflops, Nah, thats my real name. I forgot to hide my real name with 'arch' when I was uploading the .desktop file to paste.rs
2024-05-13 20:53:23	teraflops	so you modified hat file?
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2024-05-13 20:53:27	teraflops	that^
2024-05-13 20:53:32	MrDisguised	cat start-tor-browser.desktop | sed 's/rounak/arch/g' | curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2024-05-13 20:53:33	phrik	Title: Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-05-13 20:53:40	MrDisguised	^
2024-05-13 20:53:43	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [-o jelle] by jelle
2024-05-13 20:54:22	MrDisguised	but I did this instead cat start-tor-browser.desktop | curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2024-05-13 20:54:23	phrik	Title: Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
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2024-05-13 20:57:06	MrDisguised	I didn't modify that file tbs. I forgot to use sed to hide my real user name as mentioned above.
2024-05-13 20:57:11	edu4rdshl	MrDisguised, why not just use extra/torbrowser-launcher
2024-05-13 20:57:15	edu4rdshl	...
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2024-05-13 20:57:55	MrDisguised	hmmmm sounds like a good idea.
2024-05-13 20:59:13	MrDisguised	Ok so torbrowser launcher works thanks a lot @edu4rdshl :)
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2024-05-13 20:59:41	edu4rdshl	:) always try to use repo packages as first option
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2024-05-13 22:07:42	docdrow	hey #archlinux....  I have a laptop that has batter life features in the BIOS... for example, I can configure it to not charge the battery until it drops down to a certain percentage, and not to charge over a certain percentage.
2024-05-13 22:08:18	docdrow	anyone know if there's a way to override this within linux?  perhaps something like an echo "start charging" >/sys/class/something/something/whatever?
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2024-05-13 22:10:31	MacGyver	docdrow: Yes.
2024-05-13 22:10:46	teraflops	docdrow: for asus rog laptops there is a kernel module that exposes such feature to the OS, perhaps there is a module for your brand/model
2024-05-13 22:10:49	MacGyver	docdrow: Usually /sys/class/power_supply/BATn where n is the numbered battery.
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2024-05-13 22:11:21	MacGyver	docdrow: Sometimes the kernel module you need for this is out-of-tree, like tpacpi-bat.
2024-05-13 22:11:43	MacGyver	docdrow: And sometimes you *have* to make an ACPI call rather than echo a number into a file in /sys.
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2024-05-13 22:12:18	teraflops	for asus it is named asus_nb_wmi
2024-05-13 22:12:29	docdrow	MacGyver: this is a tuxedo laptop and I have their dkms installed. 
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2024-05-13 22:12:44	docdrow	Apparenly this is controllable from tuxedo's control center on theri OS, but I haven't been able to get it to run on Arch yet
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2024-05-13 22:12:46	docdrow	thanks
2024-05-13 22:12:53	⚡ 	docdrow goes pokin' around in /sys
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2024-05-13 22:14:39	teraflops	docdrow: there is aur/tuxedo-control-center-bin
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2024-05-13 22:16:23	docdrow	teraflops: yea I have that installed but it doesnt like hyprland/wayland.. I'm tinkering with it now
2024-05-13 22:16:28	MacGyver	If tuxedo-control-center is a Linux thing, then it must certainly be doable through /sys, or acpi, or worst case some specific sysctl.
2024-05-13 22:16:30	MacGyver	Uh.
2024-05-13 22:16:33	MacGyver	Not sysctl.
2024-05-13 22:16:35	MacGyver	ioctl.
2024-05-13 22:17:15	MacGyver	You could run it in strace and see what it actually does when you change that control.
2024-05-13 22:18:52	teraflops	docdrow: there is tailord/tailor-cli is it the same as control center but cli?
2024-05-13 22:18:53	docdrow	tuxedo-control-center is meant for tuxedo-os... like, it handles your power consumption profiles, fan speeds, some lights and stuff
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2024-05-13 22:18:55	docdrow	backlight, etc
2024-05-13 22:19:21	docdrow	but I have native linux/arch/hyprland solutions for all fot hose things and I use tlpd, which "fights" with it.. so i have the tuxedo service disabled most of the time
2024-05-13 22:19:27	jelle	just first check /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_start_threshold
2024-05-13 22:19:34	docdrow	and it doesnt expose a way to start battery charging
2024-05-13 22:19:37	jelle	tuxedo does upstream things afaik
2024-05-13 22:19:46	docdrow	yeah tuxedo is awesome so far I love this new laptop.
2024-05-13 22:19:54	docdrow	Except they put the backslash key in the wrong spot on the US keyboard. :(
2024-05-13 22:19:58	docdrow	my only complaint
2024-05-13 22:20:21	jelle	did you not get US int?
2024-05-13 22:20:40	docdrow	jelle: I dont have that file :(
2024-05-13 22:20:50	jelle	docdrow: but you do have BAT0?
2024-05-13 22:21:02	docdrow	jelle: yeah I got the US International keyboard... I didnt realize when i ordered that I could've customized my keyboard too (at additional expense), I should've done that.
2024-05-13 22:21:13	docdrow	jelle: Yep... 
2024-05-13 22:21:37	jelle	aha, then yeah no beuno, reach out to their support
2024-05-13 22:21:38	docdrow	but I disabled the battery life stuff in bios so I can charge my battery up, let me flip it back on and see if I have additional files in /BAT0
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2024-05-13 22:22:01	MacGyver	docdrow: What files *are* present under BAT0?
2024-05-13 22:22:16	MacGyver	docdrow: And would there also happen to be a BAT1?
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2024-05-13 22:23:24	jelle	I don't see no mainline driver so I kinda doubt it
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2024-05-13 22:24:57	docdrow	hmm, yeah I just re-enabled bat life management, and still no "charge_start_threshold" file :~(
2024-05-13 22:25:07	docdrow	no BAT1...
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2024-05-13 22:25:31	docdrow	this is a Tuxedo Pulse 14 gen3.... had I have waited a month, I could've ordered a gen4 which just came out hehe :(
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2024-05-13 22:27:07	MacGyver	So run tuxedo-control-center with strace attached and see what it *does* do.
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2024-05-13 22:28:29	teraflops	my laptop has a file named /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/charge_control_end_threshold with the charge limit
2024-05-13 22:28:42	jelle	teraflops: is it a tuxedo?
2024-05-13 22:28:46	teraflops	asus
2024-05-13 22:28:53	jelle	:)
2024-05-13 22:28:57	MacGyver	docdrow: So what files *are* under BAT0?
2024-05-13 22:29:03	MacGyver	docdrow: You didn't answer that.
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2024-05-13 22:29:20	jelle	MacGyver: where did we uncover that the control cneter does support it?
2024-05-13 22:29:35	MacGyver	jelle: 22:12:44.
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2024-05-13 22:30:37	jelle	https://github.com/tuxedocomputers/tuxedo-control-center/blob/be9f8803ab8ff21d4bf0d66ce5a4418f7928320f/src/common/classes/PowerSupplyController.ts#L55C21-L55C48 yeaaaah
2024-05-13 22:31:02	MacGyver	Right, so downstream drivers.
2024-05-13 22:31:12	jelle	charge_control_start_available_thresholds tho
2024-05-13 22:31:14	docdrow	MacGyver: https://lame.org/images/shot1.png and https://lame.org/images/shot2.png
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2024-05-13 22:32:08	jelle	https://github.com/tuxedocomputers/tuxedo-drivers/blob/19667531c539975d0614d613d65e7e47bcc07f08/src/clevo_keyboard.h#L874 hmm this is weird
2024-05-13 22:32:22	docdrow	What is that good lookin' font you ask? Cascadia Code with ligs disabled ;-)
2024-05-13 22:33:29	jelle	forgot what model we are talking about here
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2024-05-13 22:33:30	jelle	clevo?
2024-05-13 22:33:51	docdrow	in my case, Tuxedo Pulse 14 Gen3
2024-05-13 22:34:10	docdrow	note that their support / wiki has plenty of screenshots of a control center that has buttons to manipulate this stuff
2024-05-13 22:34:24	docdrow	but they dont show up on mine... 
2024-05-13 22:34:34	jelle	nb05 doesn't support it
2024-05-13 22:34:42	docdrow	I kept the tuxedo OS install, but I never booted it once.. I wiped the HD and installed arch right out of the box, heh
2024-05-13 22:34:59	jelle	kernel driver is kernel driver
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2024-05-13 22:35:45	docdrow	yep, but I havent yet gone diggin' through their control center code to see how they're manipulating it on supported platforms...
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2024-05-13 22:37:26	Exa	Hello, sometimes I can't start dmenu, it prints this instead in the console:  "X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)"  then after some time it works again.  I'm using sway so it's probably an issue with xwayland.  This seems like a recent issue because I updated all packages today (after some weeks).  Any idea what may cause this?  Thanks
2024-05-13 22:39:06	teraflops	Exa: there are drop-in replacements that are wayland native
2024-05-13 22:39:31	Exa	teraflops: I had looked for something like this a few months ago, I didn't find a solution that was 100% exactly the same
2024-05-13 22:39:48	teraflops	bemenu? 
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2024-05-13 22:40:30	teraflops	it's been some time since I used it tho
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2024-05-13 22:42:16	rcf	I use bmenu on Wayland 
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2024-05-13 22:43:00	teraflops	it works ok here in hyprland
2024-05-13 22:43:07	teraflops	bemenu-run
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2024-05-13 22:46:42	Exa	teraflops: yeah it sounds like it works, just have to adapt my scripts since arguments are not the same :/
2024-05-13 22:47:13	Exa	but I wouldn't be surprised if my xwayland issue appear on other apps
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2024-05-13 22:53:58	kode54	I use wofi
2024-05-13 22:54:54	teraflops	I use rofi-lbonn-wayland-git
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2024-05-13 22:55:22	kode54	I just run it with wofi --show drun
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2024-05-13 22:58:51	docdrow	Check out Fuzzel .. I like it better than wofi and the others
2024-05-13 22:58:56	docdrow	native wayland support too
2024-05-13 22:59:51	docdrow	we need a better locker / screensaver
2024-05-13 22:59:57	docdrow	want someone to port glmatrix to Wayland ;-)
2024-05-13 23:00:11	arcturus	i use the rofi-lbonn thing too
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2024-05-13 23:00:27	arcturus	with the file browser
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2024-05-13 23:00:33	arcturus	it works good
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2024-05-13 23:00:57	Exa	with bemenu, left and right keys don't change highlights like dmenu :/  doesn't seem possible to change that
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2024-05-13 23:04:46	Exa	wofi doesn't seem to have the same display as dmenu, fuzzel either
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2024-05-13 23:06:04	Exa	I don't really have time to fork/recompile bemenu to get my own keybinding, so dmenu is still the program I want to use, I'm back with my random xwayland issue
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2024-05-13 23:09:47	kode54	what display?
2024-05-13 23:09:50	kode54	bar across the top?
2024-05-13 23:10:13	kode54	I prefer a centered popup, because I've got too much crap to organize into a horizontally scrolling list
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2024-05-13 23:14:21	docdrow	I'm not an expert on gtk but the C Api seems straight forward to me. HPC / AI is driving enormous amounts of new talent (college kids too) into the Linux ecosystem, you'd think someone would write a super bad-ass chooser/run-menu thingie that most preferred. I say the same thing about a wireplumber GUI too. Still using pavucontrol because there's nothing better.
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2024-05-13 23:20:55	Exa	kode54: I don't want to change my habits
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2024-05-13 23:21:21	kode54	my habits are just hitting the key and typing a search anyway
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2024-05-13 23:21:37	kode54	I'm also okay with a taskbar menu that has type to search and an open hotkey
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2024-05-14 00:02:53	edu4rdshl	Exa, if you're going to switch from Xorg to Wayland then you surely needs to change your habits
2024-05-14 00:03:07	edu4rdshl	Otherwise you'll just have issues and broken apps
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2024-05-14 00:21:09	lmat	I just plugged in a HDMI projector. I'm using XFCE. I don't see it in display options. journalctl shows "[drm] DisplayID checksum invalid, remainder is 20" seven times. Is that a EDID problem? How do I work around it?
2024-05-14 00:21:28	lmat	This same projector works on another XFCE-running archlinux laptop (just earlier today even).
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2024-05-14 00:22:19	lpv	guys I built a new pc with my old nvme, and my linux systemd bootloader is gone... any idea what's up with that? windows worked fine no problem at all
2024-05-14 00:22:40	lmat	lpv: I think you need to configure your BIOS to look for the EUFI device.
2024-05-14 00:23:04	au5I	can anyone recommend an rss reader that shows high quality youtube thumbnails in a grid/list format (e.g. same as Youtube subscriptions page)? the few i've come across only shows them one at a time for a selected video. should be FOSS, preferably with some integration with Android and/or is self-hostable, keyboard-driven, extensible
2024-05-14 00:23:08	lpv	lmat I think it already boots UEFI but I'll have to make sure
2024-05-14 00:23:10	lmat	lpv: Maybe boot into an archlinux USB and follow directions in the wiki to add the boot entry to your BIOS/UEFI firmware.
2024-05-14 00:23:31	lmat	lpv: But I don't think it will automatically discover your EFI partition...maybe?
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2024-05-14 00:24:21	gehidore	lpv it's only the boot entry that's gone, boot the install media, mount all the partitions and chroot and run the bootloader install again
2024-05-14 00:24:52	gehidore	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/systemd-boot#Installing_the_UEFI_boot_manager
2024-05-14 00:24:53	phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-14 00:25:11	lpv	right, right. I believe that will work.
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2024-05-14 00:25:20	lpv	You guys are golden!
2024-05-14 00:25:32	gehidore	lmat yes that looks like EDID error
2024-05-14 00:25:52	lmat	gehidore: What iz teh codez?
2024-05-14 00:25:59	lpv	many thanks! :D I forgot uefi entries are editable. and idk where they're stored but w/e
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2024-05-14 00:28:16	gehidore	lmat is this some hybrid graphics laptop?
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2024-05-14 00:42:26	lmat	gehidore: Yes, I believe so. It has an intel processor with I guess an integrated graphics card and a geforce rtx 3080 laptop gpu.
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2024-05-14 00:42:46	lmat	gehidore: Maybe it's handling HDMI on the wrong graphics card or something.
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2024-05-14 00:43:59	ckie	hey, on zen 4 i've noticed my cpu won't go under 62-63°c or so, i can "sudo cpupower frequency-set -u 1ghz -g powersave" all i want and it still stays there. i don't wanna play with fan curves again, how fix? fingers crossed this isnt offtopic for here
2024-05-14 00:44:04	lmat	lspci | \grep -i vga; says https://paste.rs/GqOFh
2024-05-14 00:45:44	lmat	ckie: #hardware might be a better place to ask. Is this a portable computer?
2024-05-14 00:45:54	ckie	no, desktop, but fans are annoying
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2024-05-14 20:02:19	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-14 20:02:19	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1482 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1481 regular)
2024-05-14 13:54:11	Cityjohn	is there a linux distro specifically meant for white labelling i.e having a custom start up screen and starting directy only one specific app like in a android/windows kiosk mode?
2024-05-14 13:55:28	grawity	that's just called "Linux"
2024-05-14 13:55:36	grawity	I mean
2024-05-14 13:55:59	susi	Arch with a kiosk wm 
2024-05-14 13:56:07	grawity	you can use Arch for that if you want, it doesn't come with any startup screen by itself, you install Plymouth and define a custom theme and there's your boot logo or whatever
2024-05-14 13:56:45	grawity	most of it is not a distro thing, except when you have to *remove* a preinstalled logo or something
2024-05-14 13:58:04	arseru	hi all, do you know of any CLI tool I can use to scrape price data from yahoo finance?
2024-05-14 13:58:12	arseru	(on Arch Linux)
2024-05-14 13:58:27	grawity	https://pypi.org/project/yfinance/
2024-05-14 13:58:28	phrik	Title: yfinance · PyPI (at pypi.org)
2024-05-14 13:59:01	Cityjohn	@grawity good point...
2024-05-14 14:00:10	arseru	grawity that's the one I knew about, but afaik it's not a CLI? or you mean using python -m "..." so that it becomes one
2024-05-14 14:00:36	grawity	honestly it's probably 3 lines of python to turn it into a cli
2024-05-14 14:03:13	predicament	i need to find adobe proin order to invest with fidelity! whoo!  hate this shit
2024-05-14 14:03:18	predicament	im gonna have to find that now
2024-05-14 14:03:33	predicament	I wish I was jokin'
2024-05-14 14:15:15	Cityjohn	@susi what is arch with a kiosk "wm"?
2024-05-14 14:17:22	susi	for example Cage, it's a wayland kiosk
2024-05-14 15:15:50	hrehf	hmm, I accidentally pushed a new aur package with my non-spam email. Can I delete the repo somehow? Force-pushing doesn't seem to work.
2024-05-14 15:17:42	Antiz	hrehf: Send me a DM if you want me to rewrite git history
2024-05-14 15:27:32	arseru	grawity: in the end I just created a script with periodic prints :3 thanks
2024-05-14 15:35:10	yardmax	when I try to run make menuconfig I get a strange error that I cant solve
2024-05-14 15:35:11	yardmax	https://bpa.st/RTFQ
2024-05-14 15:35:11	phrik	Title: View paste RTFQ (at bpa.st)
2024-05-14 15:35:37	Khorne	yardmax, wrong distribution
2024-05-14 15:35:42	yardmax	no no its archlinux
2024-05-14 15:35:42	Khorne	#gentoo is over there
2024-05-14 15:35:52	yardmax	wgetpaste calls emerge for some reason
2024-05-14 15:36:18	yardmax	heres my uname -a
2024-05-14 15:36:19	yardmax	https://bpa.st/25IQ
2024-05-14 15:36:19	phrik	Title: View paste 25IQ (at bpa.st)
2024-05-14 15:37:49	yardmax	I've installed both linux-zen and linux-zen headers
2024-05-14 15:37:55	yardmax	pacman -Qkk shows no discrepancies
2024-05-14 15:37:59	jelle	don't sudo make menuconfig
2024-05-14 15:38:13	yardmax	then how should I do it?
2024-05-14 15:38:19	heat	make menuconfig
2024-05-14 15:39:14	yardmax	my user isn't priviledged there so I cant
2024-05-14 15:39:31	yardmax	just run it as root?
2024-05-14 15:39:46	Namarrgon	No, build as a user, in a user-owned path.
2024-05-14 15:40:24	Namarrgon	Use the root account only when required.
2024-05-14 15:40:51	yardmax	hm ok
2024-05-14 15:41:06	yardmax	the last kernel I built by myself was 2.0.1
2024-05-14 15:42:32	jelle	anyway make sure you have bc installed
2024-05-14 15:44:10	yardmax	yes very useful indeed
2024-05-14 16:10:19	gog	you can but it's a very slow process
2024-05-14 16:11:19	gog	you add a new hot spare to the raid 5, then you grow to 4 devices and to level 6
2024-05-14 16:11:49	gog	it's almost certainly faster to backup and start from scratch, but that's going to depend on how much data you need to shuffle
2024-05-14 16:15:06	rawhide	the latest verson of libva that works with VLC is version 2.16.0 from 2022
2024-05-14 16:15:17	rawhide	none of the versions since that works with VLC
2024-05-14 16:15:56	rawhide	I'm tired of having to downgrade that file
2024-05-14 16:16:43	rawhide	is VLC to blame or who is?
2024-05-14 16:16:44	whoami	Soni: depends on the type of RAID you're using. what gog said is accurate for linux raid (mdadm) and btrfs. if you're using zfs, the situation is more complicated
2024-05-14 16:17:03	whoami	i tried checking backlog briefly but didn't see what you were using, so apologies if that's already been clarified
2024-05-14 16:19:21	gog	ah yeah i forgot we have fancy filesystems that reinvented the wheel
2024-05-14 16:22:22	bswartz	☸
2024-05-14 16:47:26	Ny4n	Hi, I am currently installing Arch on my laptop. I have one NVME SSD with a Fat32 partition mounted at /mnt/efi and a btrfs partition mounted at /mnt. I just ran pacstrap with the following packages: linux linux-firmware amd-ucode btrfs-progs networkmanager neovim man-db man-pages texinfo. I am getting the error "error: could not open file 
2024-05-14 16:47:31	Ny4n	/mnt/var/cache/pacman/pkg/wpa_supplicant-2:2.10-8-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst.part: Invalid argument", followed by "error: failed to setup a download payload for wpa_[same as above].zst" and then it gives up. I didn't find anything helpful already online, so do any of you have an idea?
2024-05-14 16:49:57	Scimmia	Ny4n: make absolutely sure things are mounted where you think they are
2024-05-14 16:50:40	Scimmia	the fact that it's failing on a file with a colon in the name points strongly to a filesystem that doesn't support that
2024-05-14 16:51:58	Ny4n	Scimmia: Hm, I mean btrfs should support it, but fat32 probably doesn't, yeah. I'll double check and get back to you on that in a minute
2024-05-14 16:55:01	Ny4n	Scimmia: You were right! I don't know how that happened, but I accidentally swapped the two partitions when mounting. Just to be sure, unmounting them using umount /dev/drive_name and then remounting them should fix that, or do I need to do some extra cleanup work after the botched attempt?
2024-05-14 16:55:42	Scimmia	Ny4n: you've now got a bunch of things on the fat32 partition that shouldn't be there, they will need cleaned up
2024-05-14 16:56:17	Ny4n	Scimmia: Alright. Should I just repartition the drive to clear it or is there a simpler way?
2024-05-14 16:56:40	Scimmia	Is there anything important on that partition? Windows bootloader or something?
2024-05-14 16:57:09	Ny4n	Nah, I'll probably install Windows later on a second drive if I really need it. For now it's all clean
2024-05-14 16:57:30	Scimmia	then just rm everything or reformat with mkfs
2024-05-14 16:58:42	Ny4n	Ah, mkfs! Good idea, no need to repartition again. Thanks! Will update on if it worked after I'm done
2024-05-14 17:09:02	Ny4n	Scimmia: Got a few errors about possibly missing firmware for stuff like "ast" or "xhci_pci" but it doesn't sound particularly problematic, so I think that's all good. Cool, thanks for the help! 
2024-05-14 17:09:38	Scimmia	Ny4n: yeah, some of those are normal, unfortunately. Glad it's working
2024-05-14 17:29:16	theta_decay	Ny4n:  `df -h` will show you what is mounted and where.  From an archiso, it's important to verify your mounts prior to 'pacstrap' and 'genfstab -U...', before you chroot.  If you plan to multi-OS boot with Win now (or later), it's imperative you mount your ESP correctly when installing Arch
2024-05-14 17:31:24	Ny4n	theta_decay: Mhm, gotcha! And thankss for the command, that is far more legible than just using `mount`
2024-05-14 17:31:44	theta_decay	:D
2024-05-14 17:34:35	Ny4n	Also, while I'm here, I am on step 3.5, setting up the network config. I installed NetworkManager as mentioned earlier and tried to start it with systemctl start NetworkManager.service, as indicated on its wiki page. Turns out it refuses to start it in chroot. Double checked if maybe it was already running somehow and `nmcli device wifi list` threw the error "Error: could not create NMClient
2024-05-14 17:34:35	Ny4n	object: Could 
2024-05-14 17:34:41	Ny4n	not connect: No such file or directory.". Should I just plug in an ethernet cable and handle that later? I can't seem to find any fix for that online,or at least none that seem like they'd make sense for my situation, just general complaints about systemd not allowing you to start processes in chroot
2024-05-14 17:35:12	ugga-the-caveman	anyone else having problems with  onboard (the onscreen keyboard program)    i did a full system upgrade and now onboard looks funny and crashes when i move the mouse onto the program window. i also get this error message: (onboard:36566): Gtk-WARNING **: 17:30:00.012: Theme parsing error: gtk-contained-dark.css:2871:228: Missing closing
2024-05-14 17:35:12	ugga-the-caveman	bracket for :not()
2024-05-14 17:35:13	ugga-the-caveman	17:30:00.379 WARNING Config: mousetweaks GSettings schema not found, mousetweaks integration disabled.
2024-05-14 17:35:13	ugga-the-caveman	Segmentation fault (core dumped)
2024-05-14 17:38:58	gromit	ugga-the-caveman: can reproduce the issue
2024-05-14 17:39:19	gromit	ugga-the-caveman: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/onboard/-/issues/2 
2024-05-14 17:39:21	phrik	Title: After the Python 3.12 update, Onboard now segfaults by simply hovering the mouse cursor over the app (#2) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / onboard · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-14 17:40:12	ugga-the-caveman	aah, thanks for the feedback, i did some research but apparently not enough. thx for letting me know that.
2024-05-14 17:44:22	Scimmia	Ny4n: you make the connection in the system before you chroot, starting NM inside the chroot makes no sense
2024-05-14 17:45:14	theta_decay	Ny4n:  if you're on a WiFi only laptop, it's important to establish a WiFi connection with a valid IP address as shown by `ip a` before you chroot.  If you don't have one, plug in an ethernet cable, or 'exit', then install iwd and launch 'iwctl'
2024-05-14 17:46:49	Ny4n	Ah, I did already go through the iwd stuff right at the start. I just assumed since the install guide said to configure networking stuff, now was the time. But I suppose in that case it's all good and I can just handle that later?
2024-05-14 17:47:29	Ny4n	The guide specifically said "enabling its systemd unit" so that's why I thought it was necessary
2024-05-14 17:49:01	ugga-the-caveman	enabling and starting a systemd unit are 2 related but different things
2024-05-14 17:49:59	Ny4n	Oh, I see. I never had to directly interact with systemdb before so I'm relatively unfamiliar on that subject. Sorry about that, I'll go read up on that!
2024-05-14 17:51:14	theta_decay	right^ - and note, if you enable iwd, it will cause huge conflicts with NetworkManager if you install and enable NM later
2024-05-14 17:51:50	theta_decay	start iwd (ONLY) when/if you need it
2024-05-14 17:52:05	Ny4n	theta_decay: I see. I was just gonna enable NW just now. Does iwd carry over from the live environment? Do I need to manually disable it?
2024-05-14 17:53:24	theta_decay	not sure about iwd the carry-over...check it after reboot
2024-05-14 17:54:00	theta_decay	or disable iwd before reboot
2024-05-14 17:54:50	Ny4n	Alright, got it. I'll just enable NM for now, skim through the rest of the systemd wiki page later, and if I notice network issues after the reboot, I'll just disable iwd and reboot again. 
2024-05-14 17:55:36	Scimmia	nothing carries over
2024-05-14 17:56:02	Ny4n	Oh, okay. I guess I don't need to worry about it then, cool
2024-05-14 17:56:27	theta_decay	keep iwd installed, just in the case you need it for iwctl
2024-05-14 17:56:49	Ny4n	You know, from the constant memes you'd think that this irc channel should be an elitist mess, but y'all are pretty nice :D
2024-05-14 17:56:55	ugga-the-caveman	i think you just need to do systemctl ENABLE networkmanager and thats all. this makes the networkmananaer automatically START at the next boot
2024-05-14 17:57:08	Ny4n	theta_decay: Alright, will do! Thanks
2024-05-14 17:57:09	ugga-the-caveman	it depends =)
2024-05-14 17:57:41	Ny4n	ugga-the-caveman: Mhm, got it. That's what I'll do for now. Thank you
2024-05-14 17:57:46	Scimmia	Ny4n: there are people that just want us to give them commands without putting in any effort. That doesn't go well, hence the mems
2024-05-14 17:57:47	Scimmia	memes
2024-05-14 17:58:50	Scimmia	we're always happy to point people in the right direction
2024-05-14 17:59:38	Ny4n	Ah, I see. Well, I hope that doesn't discourage you all too much
2024-05-14 18:01:18	Ny4n	Well, I'll keep this terminal window open in case I need some more help, but I hope from now on it's smooth sailing (or smooth enough for a quick web search and skimming through the wiki to solve it), so bye for now!
2024-05-14 18:02:06	ugga-the-caveman	happy archin Ny4n
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2024-05-14 18:05:09	cabalcrow	is there a program that allows you to set keybinds that work EVERYWHERE, like REISUB?
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2024-05-14 18:06:09	ugga-the-caveman	can you elaborate a bit what you mean cabalcrow?
2024-05-14 18:06:33	cabalcrow	I'm currently using awesomewm & its hotkeys are sometimes being eaten by certian programs
2024-05-14 18:06:37	ugga-the-caveman	there is xdotool to send keystrokes per scrips
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2024-05-14 18:06:52	cabalcrow	which can be quite an issue with stuff like a hotkey for closing the current application
2024-05-14 18:07:01	ugga-the-caveman	there is also .Xbindkeys that might help
2024-05-14 18:07:23	cabalcrow	I will look into those
2024-05-14 18:07:39	cabalcrow	I assume there isn't a way to do something on the kernel level for that
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2024-05-14 18:08:46	demonicmaniac1	cabalcrow: um the window manager gets inputs first before it passes it on to programs. sounds like something is broken on your end?
2024-05-14 18:09:08	cabalcrow	oh xdotool is not what I'm looking for - the keybind should be able to run a shell command
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2024-05-14 18:10:05	BrainDamage	want you want is global hotkeys
2024-05-14 18:10:11	cabalcrow	yeah
2024-05-14 18:10:22	BrainDamage	autokey-qt should work
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2024-05-14 18:11:24	ugga-the-caveman	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xbindkeys
2024-05-14 18:11:25	phrik	Title: Xbindkeys - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-14 18:12:23	cabalcrow	xbindkeys is probably what I need yeha
2024-05-14 18:12:28	cabalcrow	thanks, I will look into it
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2024-05-14 18:14:27	smirky	Anyone here using Konsole terminal emulator and experiencing coredump on hitting CTRL+C?
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2024-05-14 18:17:13	gromit	smirky: doesn't crash for me
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2024-05-14 18:19:30	cabalcrow	xbindkeys doesn't help
2024-05-14 18:19:41	cabalcrow	its keys are still getting eaten by programs
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2024-05-14 18:24:15	smirky	gromit: do you have  ~/.config/konsole.css ?
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2024-05-14 18:26:18	Ingar	there is weird stuff going on with keys in kde anyway
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2024-05-14 18:26:28	Ingar	e.g. TAB not working through krdc
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2024-05-14 18:33:00	gromit	smirky: no
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2024-05-14 18:40:07	edu4rdshl	gromit, o/
2024-05-14 18:40:16	gromit	edu4rdshl: heyhey :) 
2024-05-14 18:40:23	edu4rdshl	:)
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2024-05-14 18:47:56	Numero	ok, this desktop machine i'm setting up with arch and kde/plasma for the first time apparently went into hibernation after i went to bed - blinking power light. when i touched a key on the keyboard, i was presented with two monitors with wallpaper and date/time and no way to unlock
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2024-05-14 18:50:36	edu4rdshl	Just press another key?
2024-05-14 18:50:47	edu4rdshl	It should ask then for your password
2024-05-14 18:51:09	Numero	edu4rdshl: as i sit here, i'm not sure that i didn't. 
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2024-05-14 18:53:29	Numero	edu4rdshl: i'll come back to this. right now i'm trying to untar my home dir that came from the machine I was migrating (escaping?) from
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2024-05-14 18:53:56	Numero	the one that corrupted partitions on two drives, seemingly at the same time
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2024-05-14 18:56:26	Ny4n	Hi, sorry to say, but I'm back. For context: I am installing Arch for the first time right now. So, I ended up thinking I'm done, rebooted, and it turned out I forgot the bootloader... so I'm back in arch-chroot, everything's mounted, but when I tried installing sbctl for secure boot (which is giving me a headache right now anyways) it errored out with "Signing /boot/vmlinuz-linux /n couldn't
2024-05-14 18:56:26	Ny4n	access 
2024-05-14 18:56:32	Ny4n	/usr/share/secureboot/keys/db/db.pem: no such file or directory". I doubt I can just forego secureboot, especially since it's a laptop and I might need to install Windows later, so I'm curious on how to handle this?
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2024-05-14 18:57:50	edu4rdshl	There are several things... usually you install Windows first, then Linux. You can also use Linux without secureboot without problems after installed
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2024-05-14 18:58:53	edu4rdshl	If it's your first time installing Linux, I really don't recommend you to mness with secure boot. I have been using Linux for ~14 years and that's the only thing I really don't want to do if possible
2024-05-14 18:59:21	edu4rdshl	For installing Windows: enable secure boot for the installation process, and once installed disable it
2024-05-14 18:59:33	Numero	Ny4n: fwiw, i'm doing it for the 2nd time (have been working with linux in general for almost 30 years) but it's been a while and it's like the first day of school :)
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2024-05-14 19:00:02	edu4rdshl	But if you definitely wants to continue the secure boot path, just follow the ArchWiki
2024-05-14 19:00:18	edu4rdshl	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface/Secure_Boot
2024-05-14 19:00:19	phrik	Title: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface/Secure Boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-14 19:00:37	Ny4n	I am following said article, it's just... exhausting
2024-05-14 19:00:40	Ny4n	But alright, I'll ignore it
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2024-05-14 19:01:04	talukara	you can do it!
2024-05-14 19:01:07	Ny4n	And about the windows thing, I have two drives and Windows goes on the second one, so I'd assume there wouldn't be many issues? But maybe I'm wrong
2024-05-14 19:01:07	talukara	i believe in you!
2024-05-14 19:02:08	Ny4n	talukara: Thanks for the motivation, but if secureboot isn't really a requirement, I'd rather just skip that lol. At least for now, I can always deal with it later. 
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2024-05-14 19:03:49	Ny4n	Should I do any cleanup after the botched sbctl install? It already said something about signing /boot/vmlinuz-linux
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2024-05-14 19:40:52	rawhide	the latest version of libva that works with VLC is version 2.16.0 from 2022 will this ever be fixed or is VLC the problem?
2024-05-14 19:42:09	derSpasm	Secure Boot is not required, but comes with some inherent security protections.  It's not hard to set up, I was able to do it on my first try late last year.  I even drafted and published how I did it (CAVEAT LECTOR/Reader BEWARE, such instructions are eschewed by the community):  https://eldon.me/arch-linux-laptop-setup/
2024-05-14 19:42:12	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Laptop Setup (at eldon.me)
2024-05-14 19:43:21	derSpasm	But I did it with UKI and a TPM2.0, and it works great!  I've even updated this with some extras that I didn't have when I first tried it.
2024-05-14 19:44:11	derSpasm	Ny4n: ^
2024-05-14 19:44:53	derSpasm	I basically drafted my own procedure since you kinda have to piece together how you want to do it from a bunch of different Wiki articles.
2024-05-14 19:45:07	derSpasm	And this is just one way to do it.
2024-05-14 20:44:53	Ny4n	derSpasm: Thanks. Maybe if I ever decide to set this laptop up again I'll do that, but for now... well, I've been sitting at this for a solid 5 hours or so and I don't even have a GUI yet, so for now I just wanna get this done, even without tpm T.T
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2024-05-14 21:42:47	GuiToris	hello, what does this mean? ==> ERROR: Cannot find the debugedit binary required for including source files in debug packages.
2024-05-14 21:43:51	talukara	i think you need package “debugedit”. but i'm not sure.
2024-05-14 21:43:59	bookworm	that you are missing debugedit
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2024-05-14 21:44:53	mpan	GuiToris: do you have base-devel installed? It’s required to be present, if building packages.
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2024-05-14 21:44:58	bookworm	^ 
2024-05-14 21:45:31	bookworm	if you don't have that, quite a few other things will be broken as well
2024-05-14 21:46:12	GuiToris	apparently, I don't have that package
2024-05-14 21:46:25	GuiToris	I'll try to install another version
2024-05-14 21:46:37	bookworm	other version?
2024-05-14 21:46:40	mpan	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Makepkg#Usage
2024-05-14 21:46:41	phrik	Title: makepkg - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-14 21:46:42	bookworm	just install base-devel
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2024-05-14 21:46:59	GuiToris	I mean, will this be solved with a reinstall? 'ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'aqt''
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2024-05-14 21:47:15	GuiToris	I don't know what this is
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2024-05-14 21:47:39	Scimmia	GuiToris: python? Did you rebuild your AUR packages for the 3.12 update?
2024-05-14 21:47:53	GuiToris	I am trying to do that
2024-05-14 21:48:03	GuiToris	I may have picked the wrong version
2024-05-14 21:48:03	talukara	maybe try "pip install aqt"
2024-05-14 21:48:18	mefistofeles	that's not going to work for externally managed environments
2024-05-14 21:48:28	Scimmia	GuiToris: there are no versions to pick
2024-05-14 21:48:37	bookworm	and a poor idea even if it does talukara 
2024-05-14 21:48:40	Scimmia	unless you're talking pyenv?
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2024-05-14 21:49:06	mefistofeles	GuiToris: where are you getting that error again? 
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2024-05-14 21:49:15	mefistofeles	the missing `aqt` package error
2024-05-14 21:49:22	mefistofeles	s/package/module
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2024-05-14 21:50:30	GuiToris	mefistofeles, when I try to run the program
2024-05-14 21:50:32	GuiToris	it won't start
2024-05-14 21:51:19	GuiToris	I don't quite understand why I can't recompile a PKGBUILD now
2024-05-14 21:51:32	mpan	GuiToris: it’s hard to tell, without you not telling us what the error is.
2024-05-14 21:51:46	GuiToris	==> ERROR: Cannot find the debugedit binary required for including source files in debug packages.
2024-05-14 21:51:54	mpan	GuiToris: for this you already received the response.
2024-05-14 21:52:06	Scimmia	'the program'
2024-05-14 21:52:12	GuiToris	but I checked my log, and I never had base-devel
2024-05-14 21:52:19	mpan	That is impossible.
2024-05-14 21:52:26	mpan	… assuming you are using Arch, of course.
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2024-05-14 21:52:42	Scimmia	it's possible. I don't have base-devel installed, I build everything in a clean chroot
2024-05-14 21:52:53	mpan	Scimmia: ok, point taken. :>
2024-05-14 21:53:07	Scimmia	and it used to be a group, only switched to a metapackage recently
2024-05-14 21:53:30	Scimmia	well, for some versions of recent, I guess
2024-05-14 21:53:40	bookworm	just wanted to say that XD
2024-05-14 21:53:42	mpan	GuiToris: either way, it’s irrelevant. You have to install it and it has always been the case (if you built in clean chroot, it would be installed there).
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2024-05-14 21:54:00	mpan	GuiToris: and this is your answer. I see no point in asking more questions, before you do this.
2024-05-14 21:54:08	Scimmia	GuiToris: yes, debugedit is now required with the new version of pacman/makepkg
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2024-05-14 21:54:47	Scimmia	GuiToris: I'm guessing you missed this: https://archlinux.org/news/switch-to-the-base-devel-meta-package-requires-manual-intervention/
2024-05-14 21:54:49	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Switch to the base-devel meta package requires manual intervention (at archlinux.org)
2024-05-14 21:54:50	mpan	(technically one could also install all the packages manually, but I assume a person doing this would not have trouble dealing with this error)
2024-05-14 21:55:02	GuiToris	:'(
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2024-05-14 21:55:47	GuiToris	ok, I'll install it
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2024-05-14 21:56:18	bookworm	sounds like an amazing idea
2024-05-14 21:56:28	GuiToris	now 0.10 MiB is gone
2024-05-14 21:56:50	bookworm	if you are that space constraint, Arch is the wrong distro
2024-05-14 21:57:02	bookworm	it tends to build with all bells and whistles 
2024-05-14 21:57:53	mpan	bookworm: I don’t think GuiToris has trouble with using 100k of storage.
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2024-05-14 21:59:04	GuiToris	hooray, it started compiling
2024-05-14 21:59:05	GuiToris	thank you
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2024-05-14 21:59:25	GuiToris	I hope this will solve the python issue
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2024-05-14 22:04:49	bookworm	it won't 
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2024-05-14 22:05:28	bookworm	not if there's more that one aur package around at least ;)
2024-05-14 22:05:48	kode54	pacman -Qo /usr/lib/python3.11
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2024-05-15 07:49:11	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-15 07:49:11	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1435 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1434 regular)
2024-05-15 00:53:51	MiguelX413	bruh my clipboard just breaks sometimes
2024-05-15 01:07:49	chikuwasuka	clipboards on linux are a subject all right
2024-05-15 01:08:15	MiguelX413	lmao
2024-05-15 01:08:29	MiguelX413	it's only been broken the last few days ;-;
2024-05-15 02:10:50	slondr	hi. is there a way to find out why pacman wants to install a new dependency when I go to run an upgrade?
2024-05-15 02:11:07	slondr	like, which package being upgraded has added a new dependency 
2024-05-15 02:12:00	Scimmia	Afaik, only with --debug
2024-05-15 02:12:12	mpan	slondr: see `pactree` from pacman-contrib, with its `--sync` switch. If pacman already updated the sync database, pactree will use it.
2024-05-15 02:12:21	Scimmia	Or checking manually, of course
2024-05-15 02:12:37	mpan	Otherwise *I believe* you can do checkupdates and then use pactree on its databse.
2024-05-15 02:14:03	mpan	… though checkupdates will not show new deps. My mistake. So that works only for the earlier case, when pacman already updated its sync database.
2024-05-15 02:15:48	slondr	pacman -Syu --debug printed my answer as the first line, awesome!
2024-05-15 02:15:49	slondr	thanks
2024-05-15 03:03:20	kode54	wacky
2024-05-15 03:03:33	kode54	bluetooth devices are failing to connect with error 113 "no route to host"
2024-05-15 03:50:06	Strykar	facing some weirdness receving an IPv6 via SLAAC from a Mikrotik router that receives a /64 via PPPoE, the route metric is set way too high, what could cause this? default via fe80::7a9a:18ff:fe91:9c1c dev enp106s0f3u2 proto ra metric 20100 pref medium
2024-05-15 03:57:25	ana_briated	bananas
2024-05-15 06:14:05	⚡ 	brittluna have installed more Arch
2024-05-15 06:14:13	Gnana	blackarch?
2024-05-15 06:14:53	brittluna	Gnana: nah regular Arch with a archinstall server profile
2024-05-15 06:15:54	Gnana	omg
2024-05-15 06:16:48	brittluna	https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1089835639299657738/1240154507631919135/20240515_050945.jpg?ex=66458763&is=664435e3&hm=db2b4ede22b38d89874496c47f9fad32bec98640af79a25f0745652ccb50221b&
2024-05-15 06:17:15	Gnana	brittluna: where you got that aarchlinux sticker?
2024-05-15 06:17:20	Gnana	on your laptop
2024-05-15 06:18:35	brittluna	Gnana: https://www.stickermule.com/uk/products/unixstickers-pro-pack
2024-05-15 06:18:36	phrik	Title: Unixstickers | Pro pack | Free delivery | Sticker Mule UK (at www.stickermule.com)
2024-05-15 06:19:05	Gnana	:)
2024-05-15 06:24:56	talukara	https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/848349994082893884/1143532347501850725/image.png?ex=66455cbd&is=66440b3d&hm=27fb0d364635b2d5b65afb8e0df2c8f3de48c5fa92bdbb4c228db3de6f4df5eb&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=948&height=673
2024-05-15 06:25:08	talukara	brittluna, it used to be one of my fantasy to install arch :3
2024-05-15 06:25:11	Gnana	brittluna: thanks
2024-05-15 06:25:28	Gnana	i use hyprland
2024-05-15 06:25:33	talukara	me too
2024-05-15 06:25:37	Gnana	its really great
2024-05-15 06:25:40	Gnana	i love it
2024-05-15 06:25:43	talukara	absolutely!
2024-05-15 06:25:57	edu4rdshl	I use Windows
2024-05-15 06:26:04	talukara	Gnana, i'd like to see your desktop
2024-05-15 06:26:16	talukara	💀💀
2024-05-15 06:26:22	talukara	windows💀
2024-05-15 06:26:32	Gnana	talukara: wait.. let get screenshot
2024-05-15 06:26:35	Gnana	me*
2024-05-15 06:27:53	Gnana	here https://i.imgur.com/qAC00lO.png
2024-05-15 06:28:48	talukara	no bar?:c
2024-05-15 06:28:54	Gnana	yes waybar
2024-05-15 06:29:04	Gnana	top
2024-05-15 06:29:13	brittluna	using Niri and GNOME on the Arch boxes i have a WM/DE on
2024-05-15 06:29:18	talukara	camouflaged
2024-05-15 06:29:27	talukara	i couldn't see it at first glance
2024-05-15 06:29:29	talukara	it looks awesome
2024-05-15 06:29:38	Gnana	yes. it is
2024-05-15 06:29:41	Gnana	<3
2024-05-15 06:29:54	edu4rdshl	https://i.ibb.co/G9JgC6r/image.png
2024-05-15 06:29:56	edu4rdshl	:p
2024-05-15 06:30:44	Gnana	nice.
2024-05-15 06:31:55	demonicmaniac1	oh me too
2024-05-15 06:31:57	demonicmaniac1	https://paste.xinu.at/25nzQ/
2024-05-15 06:32:22	edu4rdshl	demonicmaniac1, 4k?
2024-05-15 06:32:38	demonicmaniac1	1080p
2024-05-15 06:32:47	Gnana	hmm interesting
2024-05-15 06:32:48	talukara	when i saw yours, i was ashamed to send mine away
2024-05-15 06:32:57	talukara	i'm an embarrassment
2024-05-15 06:33:18	demonicmaniac1	edu4rdshl: people generally just respond with eye cancer to mine since i use only bitmap fonts 6x10 :D
2024-05-15 06:33:37	demonicmaniac1	gotta make use of the limited space!
2024-05-15 06:33:39	edu4rdshl	demonicmaniac1, looks so sharp. Mine is 4k but the upload service make it look 720p :p
2024-05-15 06:34:09	edu4rdshl	Mine is a 32" ultrawide, and I can't get used to having 4x windows per workspace lol
2024-05-15 06:34:20	edu4rdshl	I just use one full-screen app per workspace
2024-05-15 06:34:22	demonicmaniac1	edu4rdshl: the upload service you use seems to resize to 1080p so that's probably why
2024-05-15 06:34:31	demonicmaniac1	at least i only get it as 1080p from the link
2024-05-15 06:35:05	demonicmaniac1	oh wait no 2560x1440
2024-05-15 06:35:17	talukara	https://i.imgur.com/t9FkNk8.png
2024-05-15 06:35:24	talukara	im an embarrassment.
2024-05-15 06:35:37	edu4rdshl	UwU
2024-05-15 06:35:39	virtualsid	that's the desktop, now where are the apps?
2024-05-15 06:35:46	demonicmaniac1	edu4rdshl: sharpness is probably due to being pixelfonts and no subpixel hinting. anything with subpixel rendering won't really show up in an image
2024-05-15 06:36:01	virtualsid	talukara: my background is blank/black. So that's probably worse?
2024-05-15 06:36:01	edu4rdshl	demonicmaniac1, makes sense
2024-05-15 06:36:37	virtualsid	I give up a whole screen for IRC in text mode irssi. one channel focus at a time. Not sure you can get more boring than that.
2024-05-15 06:36:42	demonicmaniac1	and i'm on a laptop so monitor is like 30cm from my face
2024-05-15 06:36:50	talukara	virtualsid, https://i.imgur.com/AXtKjAz.png
2024-05-15 06:37:14	virtualsid	full screen IRC, yay
2024-05-15 06:37:24	talukara	one complete workspace for IRC
2024-05-15 06:39:39	virtualsid	as we're sharing - this is how boring mine is, talukara ;) https://i.imgur.com/IXSWn3c.png
2024-05-15 06:41:09	talukara	virtualsid, it's not boring if you like it
2024-05-15 06:41:22	talukara	i like colorful things
2024-05-15 06:42:36	virtualsid	I do need to do some customising, but I mostly can't be bothered. I lost my i3status config by being an idiot, and I'm too lazy to go to a backup and get it again. It's not that important :P
2024-05-15 06:43:11	virtualsid	(And, no, it's not in git yet)
2024-05-15 06:43:45	virtualsid	slack
2024-05-15 06:43:47	virtualsid	bah
2024-05-15 06:46:08	demonicmaniac1	you're the only one looking at it all day long so make it be what you want and appeal to exactly what you want
2024-05-15 06:47:23	talukara	exactly
2024-05-15 06:50:52	Dworin	OTOH, if you feel you can't be bothered it probably means you don't need it as much as you think.
2024-05-15 06:53:53	virtualsid	heh. Yeah ;) Though it would be nicer to understand what those 'GiB' fields were in the bottom of my bar, without having to think too hard ;(
2024-05-15 06:54:06	virtualsid	;) even
2024-05-15 06:54:16	virtualsid	I should write off today, so many typos
2024-05-15 06:58:18	Halian	I have a supremely stupid question that is irritating me regardless. I'm trying to build obs-studio-amf from the AUR, but the build is failing because of a compiler flag (-Werror=deprecated-declarations) that I can't find anywhere in the PKGBUILD or CMake/Makefiles. How can I get rid of it?
2024-05-15 07:02:37	virtualsid	not sure how to help you, but that's not a stupid question. It's possible the log output might help someone else though.
2024-05-15 07:05:15	Scimmia	first thing I would try is adding -Wno-error=deprecated-declarations to CFLAGS
2024-05-15 07:10:44	Scimmia	IMO, any -Werror flags make no sense in a release tarball
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2024-05-15 16:56:22	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-15 17:24:40	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-15 17:52:47	ximp	hello. theres no ArcoLinux channel?
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2024-05-15 17:52:47	ximp	!paste
2024-05-15 17:52:47	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-05-15 17:53:03	mpan	ximp: hello. Apperently they don’t offer support channels other than the forum at <https://arcolinuxforum.com/>. Either case Arco-related questions (including “Arch” installed through/as Arco) are off-topic here.
2024-05-15 17:53:06	phrik	Title: ArcoLinuXL -XS -D -B Forum - Index page (at arcolinuxforum.com)
2024-05-15 17:54:14	mpan	ximp: you may try #linux for questions not related to Arch.
2024-05-15 17:54:21	mpan	(that is: questions on Arco)
2024-05-15 17:54:38	ximp	thanks. may i will still post this sofirem log and see if i can gain some insight. hope thats okay https://bpa.st/CCXA
2024-05-15 17:54:38	phrik	Title: View paste CCXA (at bpa.st)
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2024-05-15 17:55:55	ximp	oh my apologies mpan. i was getting confused reading phrik's messages at first lol
2024-05-15 17:56:27	Exa	ximp: apparently you use a distro that write dumb scripts, and it removed a lot of your important packages.  try to use a more sane distribution next time
2024-05-15 17:56:32	astralc	phrik is a bot
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2024-05-15 17:56:34	phrik	Doubtfully false!
2024-05-15 17:56:41	astralc	and evil one
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2024-05-15 18:04:37	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-15 18:06:32	ximp	@Exa well i am literally desperate for absolutely any sort of sensible advice or suggestions
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2024-05-15 18:13:00	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-15 18:07:43	edu4rdshl	Use Arch
2024-05-15 18:07:46	edu4rdshl	:p
2024-05-15 18:07:53	Namarrgon	Try it in #linux or the arco forums. In the mid-term you want to install a proper distro, not some fringe fork of another fringe distro.
2024-05-15 18:08:58	ximp	okay. i think i have an Arch installer ready to go here. sorry, im very new to linux, and it was mostly the Calameres installer and access to multiple desktops that i was liking
2024-05-15 18:09:28	edu4rdshl	The Arch installer is straighforward, thought, I don't recomment it for newbies
2024-05-15 18:09:38	Namarrgon	If you're new to linux then stick with one of the distros that have established, large, communities that can provide support.
2024-05-15 18:10:01	edu4rdshl	If you're new to Arch then just follow the installation guide, or use any other distro like Ubuntu
2024-05-15 18:10:06	ximp	like who? ubuntu? fedora? i might as well just install windows if i was going to do that
2024-05-15 18:10:08	sudosoldier	I couldnt wrap my head around arch, so i went with an arch-based distro
2024-05-15 18:10:11	Exa	Namarrgon: I'd recommend Ubuntu or Fedora if you are new to Linux
2024-05-15 18:10:13	Exa	oops
2024-05-15 18:10:16	edu4rdshl	Fedora is also a very good option
2024-05-15 18:10:16	Exa	ximp: ^
2024-05-15 18:10:17	ximp	lmao
2024-05-15 18:10:20	Namarrgon	ximp: Yes, like ubuntu or fedora.
2024-05-15 18:10:32	sudosoldier	I'm on Manjaro, it's so easy to use
2024-05-15 18:10:38	Exa	sudosoldier: please no
2024-05-15 18:10:42	edu4rdshl	sudosoldier, then you're in the wrong channel
2024-05-15 18:11:06	ximp	there is some weird looking shit on ibiblio. i think i'll torture myself some more
2024-05-15 18:11:16	mpan	ximp: a sensible advice can’t be given in situation, when literally anything can be working different than it does in Arch, in very convoluted and unobvious matter, and any advice we give may as well destroy your system. Please don’t take big blue A being present in Arco Linux logo as a suggestion that it is in any real way “like Arch”. :)
2024-05-15 18:11:24	bosma	yall have any of that nvidia 555
2024-05-15 18:11:32	edu4rdshl	What
2024-05-15 18:13:01	sudosoldier	don't hate on manjaro!
2024-05-15 18:13:04	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-05-15 18:13:13	mpan	sudosoldier: could you please stop?
2024-05-15 18:13:31	gromit	sudosoldier: its not hating, its just the way we form the social contract here
2024-05-15 18:13:34	sudosoldier	What am i doing that's so wrong?
2024-05-15 18:13:35	gromit	!give sudosoldier notarch
2024-05-15 18:13:36	phrik	sudosoldier: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2024-05-15 18:13:37	sudosoldier	fine
2024-05-15 18:14:09	gromit	Manjaro might be a great distro, but please use their resources to get support for it 
2024-05-15 18:14:22	avu	wasn't Manjaro the one with this giant fugly shellscript to "fix" various "issues" with vanilla Arch?
2024-05-15 18:14:22	ximp	phrik is it true what they say? are you a bot?
2024-05-15 18:14:24	phrik	Negatively so!
2024-05-15 18:14:43	ximp	oh thank the gods. you had done me a frighten
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2024-05-15 18:14:54	sudosoldier	I was just suggesting an arch-based distro if they cant wrap their heads around arch
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2024-05-15 18:15:13	edu4rdshl	Then suggest something sane, not something broken :p
2024-05-15 18:15:18	Namarrgon	sudosoldier: They already use an arch-based distro.
2024-05-15 18:15:24	ximp	what do you mean wrap our minds around arch? whats so abstract about arch?
2024-05-15 18:15:36	Ingar	it requires reading and thinking
2024-05-15 18:15:41	edu4rdshl	Honestly, if you're starting on linux I don't recommend Arch or Arch-based distros tho
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2024-05-15 18:15:59	edu4rdshl	There's Ubuntu and Fedora which does a very good job for new users
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2024-05-15 18:16:05	ximp	i simply dont understand what the issue is
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2024-05-15 18:16:13	teraflops	freidora y mugrubuntu
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2024-05-15 18:16:49	ximp	Windows NT is good place to start 
2024-05-15 18:16:50	astralc	uwubuntu vs fedowa
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2024-05-15 18:18:00	edu4rdshl	ximp, that you need to read, understand how the system works, etc. That's the point of Arch, basically. There are "easy to use" Arch-based distros, but most of them follow very bad practices to achieve that simply because that's not the nature of Arch so they're fighting again it
2024-05-15 18:18:34	edu4rdshl	I mean, if you don't have problem with reading and that, then go with Arch
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2024-05-15 18:19:13	ximp	cant i just get phrik to read it for me?
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2024-05-15 18:19:24	edu4rdshl	Uh?
2024-05-15 18:19:57	ximp	im more of an abstract learner. attention span too brief
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2024-05-15 18:20:40	sudosoldier	troll?
2024-05-15 18:21:15	teraflops	they are being sarcastic I guess
2024-05-15 18:21:32	ximp	what is a CTCP?
2024-05-15 18:21:45	edu4rdshl	The internet knows
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2024-05-15 18:23:29	ximp	okay, okay. i will stop bothering you guys then
2024-05-15 18:23:43	ximp	come on phrik, lets go
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2024-05-15 18:44:30	MacGyver	Oh for f...
2024-05-15 18:44:34	MacGyver	I *hate* editable PDFs.
2024-05-15 18:44:46	MacGyver	I now have a text field where I'm supposed to enter comments.
2024-05-15 18:44:52	MacGyver	The text field doesn't take newlines.
2024-05-15 18:45:09	MacGyver	And when opening the finished PDF in a normal viewer, *of course* the comment just runs off the page.
2024-05-15 18:45:51	astralc	I read it as "edible PDFs"... 
2024-05-15 18:46:00	MacGyver	Does anyone have *decent* software that runs in Arch that can handle this?
2024-05-15 18:46:14	MacGyver	My current attempts include firefox and pdf.js in qutebrowser.
2024-05-15 18:46:19	astralc	adobe reader?
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2024-05-15 18:46:40	astralc	last resort
2024-05-15 18:46:52	HuntsMan	MacGyver: okular
2024-05-15 18:46:53	noctux	the linux variant was officially discontinued some time ago I believe?
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2024-05-15 18:47:43	MacGyver	HuntsMan: Hmm, thanks for the suggestion, but KDE-software invariably pulls in half of the rest of KDE, so that's a nonstarter :(
2024-05-15 18:47:47	MacGyver	(I checked)
2024-05-15 18:48:25	ana_briated	there's also libreoffice draw
2024-05-15 18:48:30	ana_briated	but that one is.... weird
2024-05-15 18:48:46	HuntsMan	MacGyver: sure, but it works to fill PDF forms
2024-05-15 18:48:48	astralc	inkscape?
2024-05-15 18:48:52	ana_briated	the least cursed option is pdf.js without okular
2024-05-15 18:49:06	ana_briated	the least least cursed option is okular
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2024-05-15 18:49:30	nani	Firefox?
2024-05-15 18:49:31	Metroid	just use plasma the superior desktop
2024-05-15 18:49:31	MacGyver	Hmm, if pdf.js is supposed to be the least cursed, then it might just be the case that the people who built this form are incompetent monkeys.
2024-05-15 18:49:47	ana_briated	pdf is already a nightmare hellscape
2024-05-15 18:50:11	astralc	pdf forms are cursed from the start
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2024-05-15 18:50:50	nani	Who's bright idea was it to put JavaScript in the document? My understanding was that PDFs were supposed to by simpler than postscript.
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2024-05-15 18:51:58	noctux	MacGyver: chromiums integrated pdf solution is also okayish with pdf forms iirc
2024-05-15 18:52:29	ana_briated	nani: adobe in their hubris
2024-05-15 18:52:33	MacGyver	Hmm, might as well try.
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2024-05-15 18:53:05	nani	ana_briated: I suppose that's why they have 3D animations now too...
2024-05-15 18:53:26	MacGyver	Nope.
2024-05-15 18:53:38	HuntsMan	you can even embed videos on PDFs
2024-05-15 18:53:40	MacGyver	What I *think* might be going on here is a variation of https://community.adobe.com/t5/acrobat-reader-discussions/i-can-t-click-return-enter-on-a-fillable-pdf-form/td-p/9769479
2024-05-15 18:53:41	HuntsMan	and watch them on Okular :D
2024-05-15 18:53:43	phrik	Title: Solved: I can't click return/enter on a fillable PDF form - Adobe Community - 9769479 (at community.adobe.com)
2024-05-15 18:54:20	ana_briated	I think... it's time to destroy PDF
2024-05-15 18:54:22	MacGyver	All of this went awry the moment somebody thought of using a document format intended to retain the representation of a document and make it WYSIWYG editable.
2024-05-15 18:54:55	MacGyver	I'm just going to submit the form like this and if anyone complains I'll tell them I can read the text on my machine >.<
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2024-05-15 18:57:28	ximp	im back and im going to ask a question. is ALPM ArchLinux Package Manager or Aggressive Link Power Management? does the "Scriplet" part of ALPM-Scriptlet not imply RPM?
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2024-05-15 19:02:37	whoami	alpm is arch linux package manager. scriptlet does not imply rpm. you will need to post on the arcolinux forums for support.
2024-05-15 19:02:59	edu4rdshl	You're just trolling on all channels at this point, ximp. Asking pacman questions on systemd channel, etc
2024-05-15 19:03:21	edu4rdshl	And also you're asking in the wrong channel
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2024-05-15 19:05:52	ximp	@edu you are the one trolling. stalking me from channel to channel trying to harass me. so kindly stop that please
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2024-05-15 19:09:31	edu4rdshl	lol
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2024-05-15 19:21:20	sway	does anyone know how to make pressing backspace or delete in xterm backspace or delete? currently it prints ^H and similar garbage
2024-05-15 19:21:54	BrainDamage	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xterm?useskin=vector#Fix_the_backspace_key
2024-05-15 19:21:56	phrik	Title: xterm - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-15 19:25:10	ximp	@edu4rdshl honourless
2024-05-15 19:25:29	dumbledoor	My dmesg output is full of [24387.532714] rtw_8723de 0000:03:00.0: failed to get tx report from firmware. How do I diagnise this further?
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2024-05-15 19:26:34	dumbledoor	s/diagnise/diagnose/ or investigate
2024-05-15 19:27:48	sway	thanks BrainDamage. 
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2024-05-15 19:49:15	krumelmonster	Is it normal that pressing any of the arrow keys excecutes /etc/acpi/handler.sh ?
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2024-05-15 19:50:28	ana_briated	krumelmonster: just... anywhere?
2024-05-15 19:53:37	krumelmonster	anywhere on x at keast but given what acpi is I'd assume really anywhere
2024-05-15 19:53:54	krumelmonster	*anywhere on X.org
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2024-05-15 19:57:42	ana_briated	krumelmonster: something is fiddly
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2024-05-15 20:54:07	ian|	Hello. is there a way to query a package's version and description like with 'pacman -Qs libtool' but for exact matches a search
2024-05-15 20:54:27	ian|	i often use '-Qs' to get a "short -Qi"
2024-05-15 20:55:18	ian|	*but for exact matches instead of a search
2024-05-15 20:56:09	mpan	ian|: hello. `pacman -Qs` accepts regexes, so that will do: pacman -Qs '^NAME$'
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2024-05-15 20:57:21	ian|	thanks mpan, i did not know pacman supported regexes
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2024-05-15 21:01:31	susi	never looked into pacman man page?
2024-05-15 21:01:39	mpan	susi: did any of us? ;)
2024-05-15 21:01:59	susi	at least I have read it so many times for every possible flag and option
2024-05-15 21:02:03	mpan	I didn't know about that myself for ages and many regulars are equally surprised.
2024-05-15 21:03:31	ana_briated	man pages are kind of weird, it's easy to read for someone already mostly familiar with the tool, but real easy to get lost in if someone is new to the tool
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2024-05-15 21:04:13	mpan	!check if susi ever read `man gcc` in full
2024-05-15 21:04:14	phrik	Testing if susi ever read `man gcc` in full: [FAIL]
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2024-05-15 21:14:50	susi	I don't like reading man pages... mut that pacman's one is an exception, out of necessity I guess
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2024-05-15 21:17:25	dviola	susi: why don't you like it?
2024-05-15 21:20:40	susi	usually they are not that pleasant to read, especially when studying a tool or thing for the first time
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2024-05-15 21:22:30	Jarcode	hey, is the archlinux gitlab stuck for anyone else?
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2024-05-15 21:22:45	gromit	Jarcode: how is it stuck? 
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2024-05-15 21:23:27	Jarcode	gromit: https://i.imgur.com/s9LzOu9.png
2024-05-15 21:23:33	Jarcode	just loading forever
2024-05-15 21:24:31	jelle	loads here
2024-05-15 21:24:36	Jarcode	strange
2024-05-15 21:24:39	gromit	Jarcode: can not repro 🤔 could you try to hard reload? 
2024-05-15 21:24:48	gromit	i.e. via Ctrl + f5
2024-05-15 21:25:05	gromit	Jarcode: or see if there are any errors in the command line 
2024-05-15 21:25:28	Jarcode	reloading isn't doing anything
2024-05-15 21:25:38	Jarcode	I'll see if I can clone via cli
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2024-05-15 21:26:46	Jarcode	huh. It clones fine via git
2024-05-15 21:26:54	Jarcode	the web frontend is just extremely slow for me
2024-05-15 21:27:06	Jarcode	I think the web server might be throttling my IP or something?
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2024-05-15 21:31:58	edu4rdshl	Maybe, you using Tor, VPN or something?
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2024-05-15 21:38:10	Jarcode	edu4rdshl: nope
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2024-05-15 21:39:32	Jarcode	probably could get the data from the server faster via carrier pigeon
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2024-05-15 21:44:43	lmat	I am using virt-manager to run a QEMU virtual machine with  Microsoft Windows 10 guest. It doesn't have access to the internet. Running "ipconfig" shows "Ethernet adapter Ethernet Instance 0: Media State . . . . : Media disconnected". In "Connection Details" for virt-manager, I have a "default" network that is "State: Active". Do I need to do anything else?
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2024-05-15 21:55:55	gromit	Jarcode: do you see any errors in your browser console?
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2024-05-15 22:55:52	Numero	am trying to create a new VPN connection via System Settings/Wi-Fi & Networking - needs to be PAN Global Connect. I know the internet name that I am supposed to connect to for this VPN but what comes up in the New Connection dialog, i don't understand what to do with it
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2024-05-15 22:57:17	Numero	the one thing i'm *not* seeing is a place to enter where to connect to
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2024-05-15 22:58:32	Numero	oops, i meant "global protect" 
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2024-05-15 23:00:46	Numero	ok, i think i've figered it out - install "globalprotect-openconnect" and the dialog changes when you try to set it up the way i was doing
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2024-05-15 23:07:08	wereii	any1 else getting archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync errors for key 48C3B1F30DDD0FE... of keenerd@archlinux.org ? 
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2024-05-15 23:14:15	wereii	Namarrgon: alright, deleted and it's running alright again, ty
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2024-05-16 12:58:46	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-16 12:56:03	GuiToris	hello, can I do something about this? https://bpa.st/raw/O2MA
2024-05-16 12:56:20	astralc	define this
2024-05-16 12:56:55	Metroid	gtypist isnt in repo, so is this your own PKGBUILD ?
2024-05-16 12:57:38	GuiToris	Metroid, 
2024-05-16 12:57:40	GuiToris	no
2024-05-16 12:57:41	djugei	hi guys i am having trouble reproducing some of the recent packages: steps to reproduce: 1. download libnghttp2-1.62.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst from a mirror 2. run sha1sum on it: result is a53e2c5e403fc860c11c396f18ff1e67d168b47b
2024-05-16 12:57:50	GuiToris	Metroid, it's from AUR
2024-05-16 12:57:55	djugei	run zstdcat libnghttp2-1.62.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst | zstd -c -T0 --ultra -20 | sha1sum
2024-05-16 12:58:03	djugei	result is 7b7e899735790a7239ac4e1347c4e157584921a9
2024-05-16 12:58:13	GuiToris	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gtypist
2024-05-16 12:58:15	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - gtypist (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-05-16 12:58:19	djugei	this is only an issue with packages from about the last 4 days
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2024-05-16 12:59:54	djugei	for version 1.61.0 of libnghttp2 it works as expected (you can get it from the archlinux archive)
2024-05-16 13:00:07	gromit	djugei: how are you trying to reproduce the packages? 
2024-05-16 13:00:08	Namarrgon	djugei: Are you comparing the correct checksums?
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2024-05-16 13:00:41	djugei	i have checked the buildtools repos and checked the mailing lists and have not seen any changes related to compression that were rolled out even somewhat recently
2024-05-16 13:00:50	djugei	(last change was the switch to zstd)
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2024-05-16 13:01:10	Namarrgon	The compression doesn't matter, the checksum is taken from the compressed tarball
2024-05-16 13:01:29	Namarrgon	Or are we talking about reproducible builds?
2024-05-16 13:01:43	djugei	yes the signature is of the .tar.zst so if the compression changes the signature does not match anymore
2024-05-16 13:01:55	djugei	i am currently trying to reproduce the compression
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2024-05-16 19:55:25	jl2	Hi, what's the best way to make a idle inhibitor that can be stopped/turned off again?
2024-05-16 19:56:18	jl2	I know I can do systemd-inhibit [options] sleep 1000000 to make a (near) infinite inhibitor, but I can't stop it again except for killing it
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2024-05-16 20:01:05	jl2	Is there some kind of (simple) command that can exit on e.g. SIGUSR1 ?
2024-05-16 20:01:54	BrainDamage	trap 'do stuff' USR1
2024-05-16 20:01:58	BrainDamage	in a shell
2024-05-16 20:02:04	MacGyver	Uh... What's the difference between exiting it on SIGUSR1 and exiting it on SIGTERM?
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2024-05-16 20:03:33	jl2	Good point MacGyver
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2024-05-16 20:04:29	jl2	but then I'm searching for a better infinite "don't exit" command than sleep some_ridiculously_hgh_number
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2024-05-16 20:06:16	MacGyver	Well that's trivial.
2024-05-16 20:06:20	MacGyver	systemd-inhibit cat.
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2024-05-16 20:06:26	MacGyver	Send EOF into its input to exit.
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2024-05-16 20:07:06	BrainDamage	mkfifo stuff; cat stuff
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2024-05-16 20:08:24	jl2	yeah but cat listens on _something_, too
2024-05-16 20:08:33	MacGyver	So?
2024-05-16 20:08:36	jl2	isn't there a shell command that simply "exists"
2024-05-16 20:08:44	MacGyver	What does that matter?
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2024-05-16 20:08:55	jl2	cpu cycles?
2024-05-16 20:09:00	MacGyver	You can't get much better than being blocked on a read system call.
2024-05-16 20:09:11	MacGyver	If anything, a command that simply exists is *worse* than cat.
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2024-05-16 20:09:41	MacGyver	It'd have to periodically check if it still should be existing.
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2024-05-16 20:10:02	jl2	yeah no without that part
2024-05-16 20:10:13	MacGyver	Then how would you ever make it exit?
2024-05-16 20:10:19	jl2	pkill
2024-05-16 20:10:37	MacGyver	Unless you use the actual SIGKILL at that point, it wouldn't.
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2024-05-16 20:11:02	jl2	Yeah, but as you said, don't matter if SIGUSR1 or SIGKILL
2024-05-16 20:11:11	MacGyver	No, I said SIGUSR1 or SIG*TERM*.
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2024-05-16 20:11:22	MacGyver	SIGKILL should only ever be used in dire emergencies.
2024-05-16 20:12:00	MacGyver	Though in this case, the command being forcibly cleaned up probably doesn't hurt, but really.
2024-05-16 20:12:01	jl2	such as spotify instances randomly *existing*, but not able to open a gui
2024-05-16 20:12:23	MacGyver	There's no "overhead"-reason not to literally use systemd-inhibit cat.
2024-05-16 20:12:27	MacGyver	It doesn't take CPU cycles.
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2024-05-16 20:13:29	jl2	OH HELL chatgpt simply recommends a empty loop
2024-05-16 20:14:45	jl2	ok I'll just stay with cat
2024-05-16 20:14:53	rcf	If you cat a fifo, killing it is even easier
2024-05-16 20:15:05	MacGyver	jl2: I hope the "OH HELL" is you realizing how dumb of an idea that is?
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2024-05-16 20:15:25	MacGyver	And not an "Oh hell this is brilliant" :P
2024-05-16 20:15:28	jl2	YES IT IS
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2024-05-16 20:15:41	rcf	echo > /tmp/stop-idle-inhibit
2024-05-16 20:16:09	MacGyver	^
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2024-05-16 20:17:41	jl2	I mean it's a AI, it doesn't _care_ about resources, as it hogs a shitload simply to give such shit
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2024-05-16 20:18:40	BrainDamage	you're attributing agency to a statistical inference machine text generator
2024-05-16 20:18:52	rcf	I attribute agency to meat all the time 
2024-05-16 20:19:11	jl2	and I just reallized I don't have a keybind left for this - maybe it'll just go with the bind to turn the screen off
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2024-05-16 20:19:57	rcf	jl2: just add modifiers 
2024-05-16 20:19:58	jl2	so this discussion was for nothing, my bad, but should I ever need it, I'll just do systemd-inhibit while true;, do :; done
2024-05-16 20:20:25	jl2	rcf: I already have those modifiers to control a ghost spotify :D
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2024-05-16 20:21:20	MacGyver	jl2: Purely out of curiosity, why *do* you need it?
2024-05-16 20:22:21	jl2	So that my laptop/whatever doesn't suspend while compiling or doing something else that takes longer that 3 minutes (my suspend timeout)
2024-05-16 20:22:35	jl2	wait - I'm so stupid
2024-05-16 20:22:43	MacGyver	Don't you then just want alias gcc=systemd-inhibit gcc?
2024-05-16 20:22:44	BrainDamage	systemd-inhibit makepkg
2024-05-16 20:23:02	jl2	systemd-inhibit [build command] :splatintheface
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2024-05-16 20:23:35	jl2	Anyway, thanks guys, next problem
2024-05-16 20:23:39	BrainDamage	the only annoying part is that you have to remember it beforehand
2024-05-16 20:23:59	MacGyver	I mean I do find myself running `systemd-inhibit cat` sometimes, for when I wasn't anticipating a long run and have to *move*.
2024-05-16 20:24:22	MacGyver	But if your suspend timeout is 3 minutes, I imagine you want to run most compilation commands under systemd-inhibit by default.
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2024-05-16 20:24:45	rcf	That's rather aggressive I have to say 
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2024-05-16 20:25:39	jl2	I think it's *way* easier to just do systemd-inhibit swayidle -C.tmp timeout 1 "swaymsg output '*' power off" resume "swaymsg output '*' power on; pkill -f 'swayidle -C.tmp'"
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2024-05-16 20:26:04	jl2	after all, I only need it if I am not at the machine, then my screen doen't need to be on either
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2024-05-16 20:27:59	jl2	Oh and I forgot the --what=sleep otherwise it inhibits itself :D
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2024-05-16 20:30:04	jl2	Ok, next issue: anybody else having trouble building python-chex?
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2024-05-16 20:32:03	jl2	https://0x0.st/XPHk.txt
2024-05-16 20:32:33	jl2	and also 2x these errors on stderr: [05/16/24 20:31:47] ERROR    listing git files failed - pretending there aren't any
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2024-05-16 20:48:00	jl2	and Question #2: Can and should you set a high/critical temperature in sensors? is there any difference?
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2024-05-16 20:49:01	BrainDamage	the git thing is a warning, not an error, and it's in ~every python project
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2024-05-16 21:19:13	brutusmcforce	is there a way to show a log of windows opening in xorg? some window is opening and closing quickly for me sometimes and it's starting to get annoying
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2024-05-16 21:21:44	chikuwasuka	the brute force way to do it would be to just have wmctrl -l print to a file however many times a second is necessary to capture it. not recommended but it would work
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2024-05-16 21:33:27	jdarnley	I'm looking at an aur PKGBUILD and an `install` command in there...
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2024-05-16 21:34:04	jdarnley	Does --group take the group's name or number?
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2024-05-16 21:34:40	jdarnley	When trying to build the package I get "install: cannot change ownership of ..."
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2024-05-16 21:37:27	lambda	jdarnley: what group is it trying to use? does it exist in the base system?
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2024-05-16 21:37:48	jdarnley	50 which I belive is "games"
2024-05-16 21:38:26	lambda	does that make sense or were they trying to use an unassigned GID that has been assigned since?
2024-05-16 21:38:37	jdarnley	It does
2024-05-16 21:38:49	brutusmcforce	chikuwasuka: yeah, i'd like something more event based
2024-05-16 21:38:50	lambda	then it should be fine
2024-05-16 21:39:05	lambda	jdarnley: which package is this about?
2024-05-16 21:39:12	jdarnley	... sort of because I haven't worked out why it needs to be that grousp
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2024-05-16 21:39:22	Antiz	Given a systemd timer that has a "OnUnitActiveSec" parameter set, does anyone know if it possible to completely disable it via systemctl edit/an override.conf? Setting it to another value is quite straight forward but I can't find how to disable it (already tried to set it to blank value, which results in an error).
2024-05-16 21:39:31	jdarnley	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/proton-ge-custom-bin
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2024-05-16 21:39:58	jdarnley	If the group wasn't/isn't in the base set the PKGBUILD should be creating it before using it, right?
2024-05-16 21:40:06	Antiz	A workaround would be to use systemctl edit --full to override the whole unit but I'm curious to know if it can be done with a "regular" edit :)
2024-05-16 21:40:27	lambda	no, PKGBUILDs can't create groups, the group needs to be created on the machine where the package is *installed*, not where it's built
2024-05-16 21:40:28	chikuwasuka	brutusmcforce: that would not be in xorg logs but dependent on your window manager
2024-05-16 21:41:03	chikuwasuka	because there are several different ways windows can "close"
2024-05-16 21:41:05	lambda	jdarnley: anyway, setting it to a GID should always work, it's just a number that's passed to the filesystem 1:1
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2024-05-16 21:41:25	jdarnley	hm
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2024-05-16 21:42:09	jdarnley	I wonder what strace has to say
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2024-05-16 21:44:43	jdarnley	fchownat() returns EINVAL
2024-05-16 21:44:50	⚡ 	jdarnley blows raspberry
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2024-05-16 21:45:44	brutusmcforce	chikuwasuka: i see. i use i3, maybe there is some way to get the events
2024-05-16 21:46:17	teraflops	brutusmcforce: i3ipc
2024-05-16 21:46:38	lambda	jdarnley: you're not building on a weird filesystem or anything, right?
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2024-05-16 21:49:58	jdarnley	lambda: Possibly.  THis is a tmpfs mount.  Which makes me wonder if I can chgrp an arbitrary file on it
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2024-05-16 21:51:40	jdarnley	it appears I can chgrp to 50
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2024-05-17 17:32:07	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1475 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1475 regular)
2024-05-17 12:59:39	phrik	Title: View paste DQ2Q (at bpa.st)
2024-05-17 13:00:34	SysGhost	!0x0
2024-05-17 13:00:35	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-05-17 13:00:44	SysGhost	0u0
2024-05-17 13:03:14	BrainDamage	that looks ok
2024-05-17 13:05:25	SysGhost	https://0x0.st/XPZ4.txt <-- personal-arch-repo is what's using these keys
2024-05-17 13:06:00	SysGhost	works on one machine, but noth this one. Same repo server
2024-05-17 13:17:44	twaapo	how do I mark certain dependency as permanently fulfilled so pacman doesnt ever try to install that package?
2024-05-17 13:17:57	twaapo	i must install this using tarball, and deal with the consequences myself
2024-05-17 13:19:34	gromit	twaapo: why can you not install via package? 
2024-05-17 13:19:56	twaapo	https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/nodejs-lts-hydrogen/
2024-05-17 13:20:00	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - nodejs-lts-hydrogen 18.20.2-2 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2024-05-17 13:20:03	twaapo	seems to require avx to run
2024-05-17 13:20:53	twaapo	[1]    4521 illegal hardware instruction (core dumped)  node --help
2024-05-17 13:22:21	gromit	twaapo: I dont see a bug report for it in our bugtracker, maybe you want to open one 
2024-05-17 13:22:38	gromit	twaapo: there is --assume-install as cli arg, but I think you're looking for something more permanent
2024-05-17 13:22:46	twaapo	not sure its a bug though, and I dont want to wait?
2024-05-17 13:22:50	gromit	* --assume-installed
2024-05-17 13:22:56	twaapo	hmm
2024-05-17 13:23:05	SysGhost	erased everything related to gpg and pacmans own gpg databases and started over. Now it works.
2024-05-17 13:27:13	SysGhost	Can't tell what was wrong. but nuking it helped. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 
2024-05-17 13:27:21	SysGhost	!next
2024-05-17 13:27:22	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2024-05-17 14:08:24	virtualsid	So freaking weird, I use autorandr to switch to my HDMI display only. And switching workspaces in i3 becomes delayed. like, maybe 5 seconds, and then sometimes, it's instant, as if it's in the built in screen.
2024-05-17 14:10:19	Metroid	how do i set permissions for files in a folder without changing the folders permissions ?
2024-05-17 14:10:38	brutusmcforce	chmod xxx * ?
2024-05-17 14:10:53	brutusmcforce	it will never set permissions for the parent folder
2024-05-17 14:11:23	Metroid	ah forgot i could cd into the directory then set
2024-05-17 14:11:32	brutusmcforce	:)
2024-05-17 14:11:38	Metroid	was thinking of being outside of the folder
2024-05-17 14:11:39	brutusmcforce	or chmod xxx folder/*
2024-05-17 14:11:53	astralc	ls -A ?
2024-05-17 14:12:34	astralc	* will not change dot files
2024-05-17 14:13:08	GuiToris	hello, can you help me with chromium? it misbehaves and I don't know how I could figure out what went wrong
2024-05-17 14:13:20	GuiToris	I tried chromium --disable-extensions
2024-05-17 14:13:32	GuiToris	but the problems still persisted
2024-05-17 14:13:35	jumpArtifact	Metroid: you can use: find <folder_name> -type f -execdir chmod xxx '{}' ';'
2024-05-17 14:13:55	GuiToris	sometimes it doesn't load the pages, even though I could ping from the terminal
2024-05-17 14:14:01	jumpArtifact	Though the man page could clarify things about `find`
2024-05-17 14:14:12	GuiToris	but recently chatgpt has stopped working
2024-05-17 14:14:20	GuiToris	It won't respond
2024-05-17 14:14:35	GuiToris	I have javascript enabled
2024-05-17 14:14:36	jumpArtifact	GuiToris: What kind of problems? I don't think you can get help for something you haven't described.
2024-05-17 14:14:42	jumpArtifact	Just chatgpt not working?
2024-05-17 14:14:53	GuiToris	right now, this one is obvious
2024-05-17 14:15:21	GuiToris	I don't know what else I could do, it is just weird
2024-05-17 14:15:23	jumpArtifact	Are you sure it isn't your network?
2024-05-17 14:15:41	GuiToris	I use the same network on my phone and it works there
2024-05-17 14:16:04	GuiToris	I don't have other webbrowsers installed
2024-05-17 14:16:21	GuiToris	Chromium used to work great
2024-05-17 14:16:42	jumpArtifact	have you used Chromium for a long time? Maybe clearing cache could help, but this advice is more of a shot in the dark...
2024-05-17 14:17:02	GuiToris	i have been using it for nearly 10 years
2024-05-17 14:17:17	jumpArtifact	Maybe you have a lot of tabs open, causing some contention with ram?
2024-05-17 14:17:30	GuiToris	I rebooted and everything
2024-05-17 14:17:34	jumpArtifact	clearing cache could help then, if you've been using the same browser on the same system for a long time.
2024-05-17 14:17:46	GuiToris	I'll give it a try, thanks
2024-05-17 14:18:04	jumpArtifact	Don't thank me for that unless it works, but you're welcome anyways
2024-05-17 14:18:22	Metroid	thanks jumpArtifact , that did the trick then i did type -d for directories too
2024-05-17 14:18:35	jumpArtifact	Metroid: No problem
2024-05-17 14:19:10	jumpArtifact	Metroid: If you have symlinks, you may have to use "-type l" or some other letter (going from memory)
2024-05-17 14:19:23	Metroid	yeah
2024-05-17 14:21:03	jumpArtifact	You could use "find <dir> -type f,l ..."
2024-05-17 14:21:10	Metroid	i've no symlinks
2024-05-17 14:21:13	jumpArtifact	Ok
2024-05-17 14:21:19	GuiToris	third party cookies are blocked, is that fine?
2024-05-17 14:21:20	Metroid	it was just for some znc logs that had different permissions
2024-05-17 14:21:45	jumpArtifact	GuiToris: Might break some websites that depend on third party cookies. More privacy oriented to block them, but more sites work if they're allowed.
2024-05-17 14:21:59	jumpArtifact	GuiToris: No harm in trying both for whatever you need
2024-05-17 14:22:19	jumpArtifact	Unless you're paranoid about privacy
2024-05-17 14:23:20	GuiToris	I am, but if everything becomes unusable, it's not good either
2024-05-17 14:23:42	GuiToris	well, it didnt' solve the issue :/
2024-05-17 14:23:46	jumpArtifact	Darn.
2024-05-17 14:24:14	jumpArtifact	GuiToris: What is the behavior like? Does it just hang on input or something?
2024-05-17 14:24:20	GuiToris	to be honest, I thought cookies were set not to be kept
2024-05-17 14:24:26	GuiToris	I'll try to demonstrate it with a screenshot
2024-05-17 14:24:43	jumpArtifact	If you don't keep cookies, you'll need to log in every time, which can be a pain unless if you have a password manager or something.
2024-05-17 14:25:49	GuiToris	https://imgur.com/a/5QXpyCb
2024-05-17 14:25:49	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2024-05-17 14:25:52	GuiToris	the button is gray
2024-05-17 14:26:03	GuiToris	Yes, I didn't want to stay signed in
2024-05-17 14:27:00	GuiToris	oh and also ff2mpv works until I reboot my system
2024-05-17 14:27:12	GuiToris	I have too rerun the script if I want to use it again
2024-05-17 14:29:43	jumpArtifact	I asked ChatGPT myself: Free-tier Users: Free-tier users often face more stringent usage limits, which can include restrictions on the number of messages that can be sent per day or per hour, especially during peak usage times when server capacity is prioritized for paying users.
2024-05-17 14:30:02	jumpArtifact	If it works on your phone anyway, then this probably isn't it.
2024-05-17 14:30:34	GuiToris	archlinux.org isn't loading now
2024-05-17 14:30:46	GuiToris	all I can see is a white screen
2024-05-17 14:30:59	yassernasc	is loading here
2024-05-17 14:31:02	Flit	Loads for me
2024-05-17 14:31:06	GuiToris	I thought as much
2024-05-17 14:50:12	haggot	thorium is also another fork that doesn't disable certain functionality like ungoogled-chromium. But it lacks behind in security updates.
2024-05-17 14:50:22	GuiToris	I quite agree with you. I usually start everything will full privacy and restrictions and in the end I just realize that the thing is not functional anymore
2024-05-17 14:52:53	jelle	haggot: if you are using chromium you don't share with big brother
2024-05-17 14:52:56	GuiToris	firefox may be more secure. I just switched to Chromium because my hardware not the strongest (i3-2350M) and Firefox was slower
2024-05-17 14:53:57	GuiToris	jelle, do you have some kind of safe browsing enabled at chrome://settings/security ?
2024-05-17 14:56:17	colo	GuiToris: you use firefox with ublock origin, don't you?
2024-05-17 14:56:35	colo	because a working ad blocker is the most important and significant speed-up of anyone's browsing experience
2024-05-17 14:56:43	GuiToris	I haven't used firefox for over a decade
2024-05-17 14:56:59	GuiToris	but I have ublock origin installed in Chromium
2024-05-17 14:57:06	colo	then you missed all the Quantum improvements?
2024-05-17 14:57:19	colo	you should resonsider and try it again :)
2024-05-17 14:57:42	GuiToris	I may install firefox to have at least a backup browser
2024-05-17 14:58:01	haggot	jelle: could you elaborate? I honestly avoid most of googles products all together, is there something I'm missing here?
2024-05-17 14:58:05	GuiToris	I thought dolphin can surf the net, just like Konqueror did, but it cannot
2024-05-17 14:59:55	GuiToris	I had some attempts to use IceCat, but it lagged behind Firefox and I didn't find it secure enough, and everything that was more complex than stallman.org broke
2024-05-17 15:03:23	jumpArtifact	When I use IceCat, I end up disabling the extensions it comes with as that hampered usage of a lot of websites.
2024-05-17 15:04:00	jumpArtifact	I'm paranoid to the point where the only extension I use is ublock origin, most of the time.
2024-05-17 15:04:28	jumpArtifact	The more extensions you use, the more people you trust to not mess/observe with your browser.
2024-05-17 15:04:37	jumpArtifact	At least, that's how I feel about it.
2024-05-17 15:06:04	haggot	ublock origin and right click mpv B)
2024-05-17 15:06:16	GuiToris	do I need an extension if I don't want to keep any kind of cookies from websites like google?
2024-05-17 15:06:31	jumpArtifact	Browsers should have that kind of thing built in I think.
2024-05-17 15:07:34	haggot	Yeah no need for that sort of thing
2024-05-17 15:07:50	GuiToris	I can't find this option :/
2024-05-17 15:08:17	GuiToris	only third party cookies
2024-05-17 15:08:33	haggot	great thing about firefox to (not sure if chrome has a similar feature) but you can open up seperate "containers" in a single browser
2024-05-17 15:08:34	jumpArtifact	On Firefox, there's an option to delete cookies when the browser is closed, and you can set a whitelist of sites to not delete cookies for.
2024-05-17 15:08:44	jumpArtifact	Yeah, the "containers" thing is handy.
2024-05-17 15:08:55	jumpArtifact	Though I go further and use firejail "containers"
2024-05-17 15:09:37	GuiToris	yes, I would expect something similar here in Chromium
2024-05-17 15:10:17	GuiToris	I use more extension like, decentraleyes, privacy badger and ublock origin
2024-05-17 15:11:12	jumpArtifact	GuiToris: I think I found a similar solution for chromium. Go into settings and search for "on-device site data"
2024-05-17 15:11:19	tirnanog	GuiToris: the Cookie AutoDelete extension might be up your street. the only browser that has the ability to delete ephemeral storage immediately upon site 'closure' (as opposed to browser session termination) directly built-in is Brave. CAD is basically that.
2024-05-17 15:11:22	jumpArtifact	The setting is deep in the browser.
2024-05-17 15:11:48	jumpArtifact	It has a whitelist/blacklist for data which I presume includes cookies
2024-05-17 15:12:12	GuiToris	No search results found
2024-05-17 15:12:25	haggot	Brave is probably the best alternative if you want to stick with chromium based browsers
2024-05-17 15:12:27	jumpArtifact	really? It shows up for me...
2024-05-17 15:13:07	GuiToris	ahhh
2024-05-17 15:13:12	GuiToris	I was at a wrong place
2024-05-17 15:13:29	tirnanog	I don't see the point in faffing around with cookie whitelists because if you visit a site, you probably want it to work while you're there. there is a privacy benefit in jettisoning them (along with IndexedDB, DOM locaal storage etc) once done, though.
2024-05-17 15:14:16	GuiToris	tirnanog, I always forget to log off after using gmail, and I stay signed in
2024-05-17 15:14:29	tirnanog	GuiToris: do you close the tab when you're done with gmail?
2024-05-17 15:14:30	GuiToris	I don't want to be signed in while watching YT videos
2024-05-17 15:14:34	GuiToris	yes
2024-05-17 15:14:37	tirnanog	then CAD is what you want.
2024-05-17 15:15:48	GuiToris	maybe jumpArtifact was right and "on-device site data" is it
2024-05-17 15:15:59	GuiToris	they just stopped calling them cookies
2024-05-17 15:16:08	GuiToris	but if it doesn't work, I'll install CAD
2024-05-17 15:16:12	GuiToris	thank you for the hint
2024-05-17 15:16:32	tirnanog	you're not going to get very far blocking first-party cookies for sites you wilfully use. you'll find out soon enough.
2024-05-17 15:17:02	jumpArtifact	I think he probably will use the "delete data once the browser is closed" feature.
2024-05-17 15:17:14	GuiToris	yes
2024-05-17 15:17:16	tirnanog	that won't solve his problem.
2024-05-17 15:17:17	jumpArtifact	I just tried it myself, and imgur.com wouldn't open if you used the "nuclear option"
2024-05-17 15:17:46	tirnanog	unless "close the tab" becomes "close the entire browser", which is an option but not very convenient.
2024-05-17 15:18:09	jumpArtifact	Depends on the use case, yes.
2024-05-17 15:19:24	GuiToris	Shit... "Your browser has cookies disabled. Make sure your cookies are enabled and try again. Learn more"
2024-05-17 15:19:28	GuiToris	I can't even log in
2024-05-17 15:19:34	tirnanog	who'd have thunk it.
2024-05-17 15:20:18	jumpArtifact	There are 3 options. Allow all data (cookies), remove data on close, and never allow data. I think the last option is the cause for that problem.
2024-05-17 15:20:19	tirnanog	it's almost as though cookies are useful for keeping state for logins or something :D
2024-05-17 15:21:10	haggot	Think of cookies as like cache stored on your ram except it's stored in your browser (but unironically also your ram). They're needed for basic functionality.
2024-05-17 15:21:15	tirnanog	besides, cookies are only one type of local storage.
2024-05-17 15:21:23	jumpArtifact	Incidentally, I've created a WASM game that stores data not with cookies but some kind of browser db thing I didn't hear of until I tried.
2024-05-17 15:21:39	GuiToris	ok, take 2, I adjusted as per your suggestion
2024-05-17 15:21:40	jumpArtifact	Perhaps that's why chromium uses the umbrella term "data".
2024-05-17 15:22:31	GuiToris	thank you, I think this is perfect
2024-05-17 15:22:53	tirnanog	CAD works well enough and is quite powerful. its UI is a little on the complicated side, perhaps. I really wish more browsers had this kind of feature built-in.
2024-05-17 15:23:13	tirnanog	be sure to go over the defaults as they may not be aggressive enough for your tastes.
2024-05-17 15:24:43	jumpArtifact	Apparently its called "indexed db". Cookies are not the only option to save site data.
2024-05-17 15:25:44	tirnanog	and DOM storage.
2024-05-17 15:25:51	jumpArtifact	^
2024-05-17 15:26:08	GuiToris	Google will have to be content with reading my emails only
2024-05-17 15:26:31	tirnanog	jumpArtifact: at least caches aren't such a problem now. both chromium and gecko implement aggressive cache partitioning at this point.
2024-05-17 15:26:44	tirnanog	bink and gecko, even. or whatever mozilla is calling it now.
2024-05-17 15:26:47	jumpArtifact	tirnanog: that's good to hear
2024-05-17 15:29:50	haggot	tirnanog: Where do you personally install brave from? I just realised they have an official flatpak...
2024-05-17 15:30:33	tirnanog	haggot: I use AUR presently. I have observed its present maintainer over the years and found their judgement to be sound.
2024-05-17 15:30:47	tirnanog	(if that were not true, I probably would use flatpak)
2024-05-17 15:31:09	haggot	OK, thanks
2024-05-17 15:31:44	tirnanog	the auto-storage-deletion feature was only exposed to the masses fairly recently. for a while it needed a flag to be toggled on to expose it.
2024-05-17 15:31:50	tirnanog	it works very well indeed.
2024-05-17 15:32:06	haggot	o:
2024-05-17 15:32:13	tirnanog	you can opt in per site or just set it globally in "shields" and opt out per site, if needs be.
2024-05-17 15:32:59	haggot	OK, cool
2024-05-17 15:33:18	haggot	also, in refernce to braves browser shortcuts
2024-05-17 15:33:34	haggot	how the heck do you make a symlink to a desktop file? xd
2024-05-17 15:34:11	jumpArtifact	ln -s <desktop_file> <target_location_and_filename_for_symlink> ?
2024-05-17 15:34:26	jumpArtifact	might be best if <desktop_file> was an absolute path
2024-05-17 15:34:39	haggot	didn't work when i tried
2024-05-17 15:34:42	jumpArtifact	weird
2024-05-17 15:35:00	jumpArtifact	creating the link or accessing through the link?
2024-05-17 15:35:01	haggot	but then the desktop file itself is not linked to a specific program
2024-05-17 15:35:16	haggot	it merely runs some commands for brave
2024-05-17 15:35:28	haggot	accessing through the link
2024-05-17 15:35:41	stewi	Did you double check what you're linking to?
2024-05-17 15:35:48	tirnanog	what's the reason for making a symlink?
2024-05-17 15:35:48	haggot	yeah
2024-05-17 15:36:07	jumpArtifact	`ls -L` could be a quick test for the symlink
2024-05-17 15:36:20	tirnanog	that is, what would you do with it after.
2024-05-17 15:36:22	haggot	I'm on i3 and i wanted the brave shortcut to appear in dmenu more or less
2024-05-17 15:36:25	tirnanog	oh.
2024-05-17 15:36:41	haggot	it's creates the file in /usr/bin
2024-05-17 15:36:48	haggot	but it won't execute
2024-05-17 15:36:52	tirnanog	the desktop entry just launches "/usr/bin/brave". does that help?
2024-05-17 15:37:05	tirnanog	(which is a small shell script to launch brave proper)
2024-05-17 15:37:32	tirnanog	if you're trying to make the executable appear elsewhere, you could symlink brave. I don't know i3 so I might be getting the wrong end of the stick.
2024-05-17 15:37:36	haggot	sorry to clarify, the desktop shorcuts to certain webpages you can create with brave
2024-05-17 15:37:56	tirnanog	ah. I think I'm out of my depth then, as regards your desktop environment.
2024-05-17 15:38:03	haggot	no worries
2024-05-17 15:38:16	haggot	I'll go hassle another channel for an answer ;)
2024-05-17 15:38:28	jumpArtifact	Maybe it's a security thing because you're using a symlink in /usr/bin
2024-05-17 15:38:50	jumpArtifact	if it's not linking to another thing in  /usr/bin, then maybe.
2024-05-17 15:40:20	haggot	I shall give brave another go anyway :)
2024-05-17 15:42:06	haggot	And apologies if I'm making that sound all too confusing then it should be
2024-05-17 15:42:08	jelle	haggot: chromium is the opensource variant of chrome
2024-05-17 15:42:23	tirnanog	haggot: as a starting point, if you go to brave://settings/shields and set the ad block mode to aggressive and toggle on "forget me when I close this site", you'll get a content blocking experience on a par with uBlock0 and default ephemeral storage removal upon leaving a site.
2024-05-17 15:43:16	jelle	GuiToris: what about chrome://settings/security?
2024-05-17 15:43:51	GuiToris	jelle, do you have it enabled?
2024-05-17 15:44:04	jelle	GuiToris: I don't get it
2024-05-17 15:44:21	jelle	yes?
2024-05-17 15:44:43	tirnanog	jelle: it doesn't matter. there's no difference in how "standard protection" works just because it's named "chromium". the only way it could truly appease the privacy conscious is to consult a locally cached blacklist but it doesn't, so I understand why some people are more comfortable having it off.
2024-05-17 15:44:51	GuiToris	thank you
2024-05-17 15:45:13	tirnanog	supposedly it doesn't send the complete URL but it does still submit data, ultimately.
2024-05-17 15:46:43	jelle	for that you have GDPR :-)
2024-05-17 15:50:20	demonicmaniac1	man wait till he hears about cloudflare
2024-05-17 15:53:13	haggot	>The site is behind CloudFlare. Since CloudFlare is known to be a type of MITM attack, accessing this site maybe dangerous
2024-05-17 15:53:39	demonicmaniac1	goodbye 99% of the web
2024-05-17 15:53:58	haggot	X)
2024-05-17 16:03:43	glitsj16	twaapo: Sorry to bother you, but earlier I saw you mentioning having a problem with nodejs-lts-hydrogen, correct?
2024-05-17 16:05:00	jelle	glitsj16: do you get a sigill?
2024-05-17 16:05:43	twaapo	glitsj16: yes, i think i worked around it tho
2024-05-17 16:05:45	glitsj16	jelle: Illegal instruction (core dumped)
2024-05-17 16:06:16	glitsj16	jelle: I think it's due to the fortify note
2024-05-17 16:06:23	twaapo	pnpm from tarball to manage node itself
2024-05-17 16:06:43	jelle	or upgrade to nodejs-lts-iron
2024-05-17 16:07:08	glitsj16	twaapo: yes, I used the AUR bin package instead
2024-05-17 16:07:44	glitsj16	jelle: sure, i can upgrade to the iron, but bitwarden-cli depends on nodejs-lts-hydrogen
2024-05-17 16:08:54	gromit	glitsj16: what are you getting in the backtrace? 
2024-05-17 16:09:32	jelle	gromit: argggh
2024-05-17 16:09:44	gromit	jelle: ? huh
2024-05-17 16:09:54	jelle	wrong nick :D
2024-05-17 16:10:15	glitsj16	jelle: not 100% sure, but it looks like the nodejs-lts-hydrogen PKGBUILD is missing the swapping out of the fortify flags that are present in nodejs and nodejs-lts-iron
2024-05-17 16:10:25	jelle	glitsj16: aha
2024-05-17 16:10:30	jelle	could try to rebuild it later
2024-05-17 16:11:02	GhoulGoddess	Hello
2024-05-17 16:11:06	GhoulGoddess	I have a question 
2024-05-17 16:11:24	virtualsid	GhoulGoddess: just ask ;)
2024-05-17 16:11:39	glitsj16	jelle: the backtrace went missing when my machine crashed, hardware is a mess; do you want/need me to open a issue on it?
2024-05-17 16:11:48	GhoulGoddess	Oh hey virtualsid. I was gonna ask the same one I ask at #linux
2024-05-17 16:11:53	GhoulGoddess	*asked
2024-05-17 16:11:55	jelle	I can reproduce it on my nuc
2024-05-17 16:12:17	glitsj16	jelle: great, thanks for confirming
2024-05-17 16:14:51	glitsj16	jelle: FWIW, bitwarden-cli works fine with nodejs-lts-iron; not sure if the depends could get upped
2024-05-17 16:15:00	jelle	I hope so
2024-05-17 16:15:10	jelle	https://archlinux.org/todo/dropping-nodejs-lts-hydrogen/
2024-05-17 16:15:12	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Todo: Dropping nodejs-lts-hydrogen (at archlinux.org)
2024-05-17 16:15:15	glitsj16	same here
2024-05-17 16:15:19	glitsj16	thanks
2024-05-17 16:15:47	jelle	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/vaultwarden-web/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads#L16
2024-05-17 16:15:48	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / vaultwarden-web · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-17 16:15:49	jelle	so ye
2024-05-17 16:17:57	glitsj16	web-ext I've tested too and that runs fine with nodejs and nodejs-lts-iron; only noticed the packager keeps it on nodejs-lts-iron for now due to some broken tests
2024-05-17 16:19:19	jelle	web-ext should be dropped :D
2024-05-17 16:19:40	glitsj16	lol, I'll forward that to mozilla
2024-05-17 16:20:40	glitsj16	for signing web-extensions it's still a must-have if I'm not too much out-of-date with that
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2024-05-17 17:33:28	mefistofeles	people with sddm, do you have a file in /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/5120x2880.png ? No package seems to own that one
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2024-05-17 17:34:20	BrainDamage	I don't
2024-05-17 17:34:25	mefistofeles	hmm interesting
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2024-05-17 17:35:00	⚡ 	mefistofeles is removing that file
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2024-05-17 17:35:21	BrainDamage	pacman -F also doesn't find any
2024-05-17 17:36:08	BrainDamage	and judging from the folder's structure, doesn't looks like it belongs there either
2024-05-17 17:37:06	Namarrgon	It's got a rather exotic size. Did you have a screen with that aspect? Maybe you dropped it there manually.
2024-05-17 17:37:25	mefistofeles	Namarrgon: the size is "standard" for breeze/plasma themes I think
2024-05-17 17:37:37	mefistofeles	but now I'm getting a white/blank background on SDDM :/ haha
2024-05-17 17:39:09	mefistofeles	I see, I have another file in /usr/share/sddm/themes/breeze/theme.conf.user with no owner
2024-05-17 17:39:21	mefistofeles	that seems to be generated by the sddm-kcm (config UI) 
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2024-05-17 17:39:53	Namarrgon	You're right, it's still 16/9, they just overprovisioned it.
2024-05-17 17:40:10	⚡ 	Namarrgon cries in 16/10
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2024-05-17 17:42:24	mefistofeles	ok, I removed that file and it seems to be working as expected now 
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2024-05-17 21:49:25	LaserEyess	I want to request for flang (i.e. llvm-flang) to be built as part of arch's official llvm builds, but I don't think a feature request on the llvm package is necessarily the right place, since other components (e.g. clang) are built independently of llvm. So is llvm the right place to make such a feature request or is there something better?
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2024-05-17 21:59:35	rcf	LaserEyess: you'd need to find a maintainer willing to adopt it (and mlir) 
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2024-05-17 22:00:15	LaserEyess	is there a process for requesting that?
2024-05-17 22:00:39	rcf	Not really, as far as I know. 
2024-05-17 22:00:42	LaserEyess	I see
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2024-05-17 22:02:02	rcf	When it's ready for production usage per their own documentation I think it'd generate more interest 
2024-05-17 22:02:54	LaserEyess	the docs that say "not production ready" were written before the `-flang-experimental-exec` flag was removed
2024-05-17 22:03:16	LaserEyess	`flang-new main.f` now works without any extra flags
2024-05-17 22:04:26	LaserEyess	but still, I need to know if there's a place to even make that argument, because I assume 'pls package this' isn't something maintainers are particulary receptive to
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2024-05-17 22:11:13	edu4rdshl	LaserEyess, imo, a request on the mailing list would be a good starting point, but, is that flang component production-ready?
2024-05-17 22:11:36	edu4rdshl	s/request/proposal/
2024-05-17 22:12:27	LaserEyess	from what I've done with it, yes
2024-05-17 22:12:30	LaserEyess	in llvm 17, no
2024-05-17 22:12:36	LaserEyess	in 18, I think so
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2024-05-17 22:55:22	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-17 22:55:22	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1469 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1469 regular)
2024-05-17 22:47:16	mdt	something broke my crypt setup lately, i have a crypted root, unencrypted /boot, booting via grub. as far as i understand grub has a kernel var cryptdevice to let the initrd phase find the device. but the initrd doesnt anymore, drops me in a shell (where i can open the dev manually, mount and proceed without errors). what am i missing? i dont fully understand the wiki page about dm-crypt :/
2024-05-17 22:49:09	Namarrgon	Do you still get asked for the luks passphrase?
2024-05-17 22:49:22	mdt	no
2024-05-17 22:49:35	Namarrgon	What does cryptdevice= point at?
2024-05-17 22:49:54	Namarrgon	Have you merged all pacnews?
2024-05-17 22:50:43	mdt	i dont have any cryptdevice anymore and dont remember what i did to have it :/ and i dont understand the wiki about it
2024-05-17 22:51:02	mdt	what is "merge pacnews"? :D
2024-05-17 22:51:02	Namarrgon	Is this arch linux or some spin?
2024-05-17 22:52:13	mdt	no spin, native arch
2024-05-17 22:54:12	Namarrgon	!pacnew
2024-05-17 22:54:13	phrik	Take care of your .pacnew and .pacsave files! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Pacnew_and_Pacsave
2024-05-17 22:55:10	Namarrgon	hyprland has more deps than gnome now...
2024-05-17 22:55:26	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-05-17 23:00:34	aletheia	https://github.com/apeitheo/aletheia I created a cli media player with speed controls as a main focus if anyone is interested. I could use people to test it and see how things work and such before the upcoming release. Hope someone enjoys it. :)
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2024-05-17 23:00:48	mdt	ah, there is a /etc/mkinitcpio.conf.pacnew but that doesnt contain the encrypt lvm2 hooks. all others are identic..
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2024-05-17 23:01:09	Namarrgon	Do you have anything in /etc/mkinitcpio.conf.d?
2024-05-17 23:02:02	mdt	no
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2024-05-17 23:02:22	Namarrgon	Post your mkinitcpio.conf and grub.cfg to a paste service
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2024-05-17 23:10:18	bluetail	aletheia no demo?
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2024-05-17 23:11:57	mdt	https://mister-muffin.de/p/iinB.txt https://mister-muffin.de/p/2IK0.txt
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2024-05-17 23:13:19	chovy	another|: yes it is
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2024-05-17 23:14:44	aletheia	bluetail: Not yet. I need to figure out OBS studio. Wish GNOME screen recorder handled that.
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2024-05-17 23:15:08	bluetail	aletheia are you perhaps a unsighted user?
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2024-05-17 23:15:27	aletheia	bluetail: might be later in life, but not yet fortunately
2024-05-17 23:16:05	bluetail	But yes, OBS is the choice, although there are countless issues with the underlying things like v4l2 and v4l2loopback, but none of these matter
2024-05-17 23:16:22	Namarrgon	mdt: 'efibootmgr'
2024-05-17 23:16:42	bluetail	I also had more luck recording a X11 environment than Wayland. But this is due to architecture I think
2024-05-17 23:16:48	aletheia	I tried it a while ago but couldn't get it working just right and gave up for the time being. It would be nice because then people could see what I'm talking about in regards to the speed controls.
2024-05-17 23:17:20	bluetail	you should show keyboard inputs
2024-05-17 23:17:24	bluetail	I forgot how it was called
2024-05-17 23:17:28	bluetail	But you can definitely show them
2024-05-17 23:17:37	aletheia	I think I have Xorg installed as well, though I use Wayland. I'll have to keep that in mind. GNOME screen recorder records the screen perfectly. It seems like it shouldn't be hard to also record audio output, but not sure.
2024-05-17 23:17:49	bluetail	also isnt there asciicinema?
2024-05-17 23:18:08	bluetail	https://asciinema.org/
2024-05-17 23:18:08	phrik	Title: Record and share your terminal sessions, the simple way - asciinema.org (at asciinema.org)
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2024-05-17 23:20:31	aletheia	bluetail: ah
2024-05-17 23:20:34	aletheia	I wasn't aware of that tool
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2024-05-17 23:24:49	another|	chovy: overflow area -> config button
2024-05-17 23:24:51	mdt	Namarrgon: https://mister-muffin.de/p/4ZFH.txt
2024-05-17 23:25:09	Namarrgon	That's all the output?
2024-05-17 23:25:12	mdt	but it boots fine ;)
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2024-05-17 23:25:22	mdt	yes
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2024-05-17 23:26:09	edu4rdshl	13140 lines of bash script for that? aletheia lol
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2024-05-17 23:27:22	Namarrgon	mdt: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/System_configuration#cryptdevice
2024-05-17 23:27:23	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/System configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-17 23:27:39	Namarrgon	mdt: Add the option back in and regenerate grub.cfg
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2024-05-17 23:28:10	mdt	Namarrgon: thats the section i dont understand ;)
2024-05-17 23:28:28	Namarrgon	Which part?
2024-05-17 23:30:03	edu4rdshl	mdt, how you even managed to install ArchLinux? I mean, that part about cryptdevice is pretty easy to understand
2024-05-17 23:30:58	mdt	it starts with "Depending on the particular scenarios", how do i know which scenario i have or where i choose one?
2024-05-17 23:31:58	Namarrgon	1.2.3.1 does not contain these words.
2024-05-17 23:32:12	mdt	as i said above: i assume i need a cryptdevice= in grub.cfg. its not there. its a generated file. where does that setting come from? /etc/default/grub?
2024-05-17 23:32:20	Namarrgon	Yes
2024-05-17 23:32:25	mdt	no, these words are on top
2024-05-17 23:32:55	Namarrgon	So far the only missing thing is that option, that's why i sent you the link to that sub-section.
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2024-05-17 23:33:36	Namarrgon	The scenario, afaics, is an encrypted / and a plain /boot-fs.
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2024-05-17 23:37:22	mdt	yes, but in that section grub is not mentioned - anyway as edu4rdshl said i wonder where that setting went
2024-05-17 23:37:41	Namarrgon	In that scenario the used bootloader doens't matter
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2024-05-17 23:38:46	Namarrgon	You should make notes. You're using encryption, you forget too much and your data is gone forever.
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2024-05-17 23:39:01	aletheia	edu4rdshl: it works well for what it's worth
2024-05-17 23:39:16	aletheia	edu4rdshl: audacious has speed controls but they're primitive in comparison
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2024-05-17 23:41:19	mdt	no, i am currently using that very device
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2024-05-17 23:45:43	aletheia	need to put a setting in config to specify music path. It just uses ~/Music by default
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2024-05-17 23:47:52	mdt	Namarrgon: ok, that worked. i was confused cause the root= setting is generated. thank you for your help :)
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2024-05-17 23:55:15	CarloWood	I am running a local minidlna server - I can telnet to it's port and get a connection (so it is running);  but how to connect to it using my phone?  I opened VLC on my android phone, but it just says "Looking for network shares...".
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2024-05-18 00:00:41	BrainDamage	dlna uses upnp for advertisement, so your firewall rules might be insufficient
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2024-05-18 00:10:56	CarloWood	I don't get it... I had an AccessPoint on my PC (a wifi antenna) that my phone is connected to. The phone gets address 192.168.50.9 and it's gateway is 192.168.50.1.  There should be no firewall rules that apply.  My PC also has port 25 open.  
2024-05-18 00:11:11	CarloWood	I installed an app on my phone that can scan ports - and that sees that 25 is open.
2024-05-18 00:11:22	CarloWood	But it doesn't think port 8200 is open?!
2024-05-18 00:11:59	gaku	CarloWood: which firewall? can you make it log connection attempts? I usually do that with NFT when it's debugging/testing time
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2024-05-18 00:12:01	CarloWood	At the same time I can connect to  192.168.50.1 port 8200 just fine from the PC itself.
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2024-05-18 00:12:18	gaku	maybe that would shed some light as to what the phone is trying to do
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2024-05-18 00:13:03	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-18 00:13:03	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1449 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1449 regular)
2024-05-18 00:13:08	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-05-18 00:16:09	teraflops	in vlc dlna/upnp would show in local network/plug'n'play universal
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2024-05-18 00:18:59	teraflops	btw jellyfin dlna server is really good
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2024-05-18 00:26:54	jab416171	I have a weird one. on reboot my middle monitor is off, but simply reloading config (meta+shift+c) fixes it. I'm using sway.
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2024-05-18 00:31:54	dhiegov	there is a #sway channel which probably has more knowledgeable people
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2024-05-18 13:31:22	feye	In the past you need to set "Experiment = true" and "KernelExperiment = true" in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf for battery indicator for bluetooth device, now I disable (commented) the config and now works
2024-05-18 13:32:15	feye	I wonder when this change? In what bluez version?
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2024-05-18 13:47:41	docdrow	# /etc/systemd/system/irqbalance.service.d/override.conf
2024-05-18 13:47:43	docdrow	[Service]
2024-05-18 13:47:45	docdrow	oops sorry
2024-05-18 13:48:00	⚡ 	docdrow iconifies you!
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2024-05-18 13:51:52	teraflops	hmm, I do not think tiling WM are suited for big monitors, too much wasted space everywhere
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2024-05-18 13:52:47	Namarrgon	You need more splits.
2024-05-18 13:53:23	bookworm	if you waste space with a tiling VM I don't know what you are doing 
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2024-05-18 13:53:45	bookworm	the whole point is that the whole space is always occupied
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2024-05-18 13:54:27	BrainDamage	rather, tiling wm are best suited if most/all your programs are textual ones
2024-05-18 13:54:40	BrainDamage	because they'll scale well to fit arbitrary geometries and space
2024-05-18 13:54:43	teraflops	I explained myself bad then. what I mean is that there is too much space to be occupied 
2024-05-18 13:55:02	docdrow	teraflops: I have an enormous Samsung G9 :) 
2024-05-18 13:55:05	docdrow	With Hyprland
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2024-05-18 13:55:18	BrainDamage	start adding terminals with pointless widgets
2024-05-18 13:55:24	BrainDamage	like your current playlist, etc
2024-05-18 13:55:26	docdrow	although I still prefer AwesomeWM .. I have mostly made hyprland behave the same with some annoying exceptions
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2024-05-18 13:55:55	teraflops	this one is 32 16:9 and a single terminal with weechat looks just ridiculous 
2024-05-18 13:56:11	BrainDamage	and I would imagine that your wm also has tools to enforce max size
2024-05-18 13:56:43	teraflops	I'm on hyprland right now
2024-05-18 13:56:46	cloudowind	when i use macvlan , when i assign an interface to it and enabled it and when my container starts using it and gets a static ip , why my host cant be pinged or reached within network but my container does? is it normal? i can ping my container when macvlan acitaved , but cant ping the host , when i turn it off i can ping my host
2024-05-18 13:57:06	teraflops	yeah what I need is more splits as BrainDamage and Namarrgon suggested 
2024-05-18 13:57:09	BrainDamage	if you don't know what garbage to fill your monitor with, I'm sure reddit's unixporn has plenty of examples to pick from
2024-05-18 13:57:15	teraflops	hehe
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2024-05-18 13:57:57	Namarrgon	Open a third rss reader, pdf or irc window.
2024-05-18 13:58:14	Namarrgon	And htop, too.
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2024-05-18 13:58:58	Antiz	Don't forget the classic *fetch
2024-05-18 13:59:14	teraflops	oyeah I get the point
2024-05-18 13:59:17	BrainDamage	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15-hMt8VZ50 is always a good choice with empty screen estate
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2024-05-18 13:59:45	teraflops	:)
2024-05-18 14:00:34	cloudowind	there is no point of using macvlan if thats the case , how silly is that 
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2024-05-18 14:00:36	Namarrgon	https://github.com/GitSquared/edex-ui
2024-05-18 14:01:17	teraflops	I think 4 splits for each workspace is my number
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2024-05-18 14:01:50	Namarrgon	Can you "pin" windows to multiple workspaces in hyprland?
2024-05-18 14:02:00	teraflops	hmm IDK
2024-05-18 14:02:56	teraflops	yes you can
2024-05-18 14:03:10	teraflops	with dispatchers
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2024-05-18 14:04:35	Namarrgon	cloudowind: Have you considered a boring old bridge?
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2024-05-18 14:13:29	cloudowind	my wifi driver doesnt support bridge directly , i think there is another way that inlucdes a virtual ethernet veth pairs nad cotnainers network interface 
2024-05-18 14:14:13	cloudowind	i wont even have these conditions in real life , i will probably plug a second ethernet card to the server but for testing and learning
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2024-05-18 14:17:25	Namarrgon	https://blog.oddbit.com/post/2018-03-12-using-docker-macvlan-networks/#host-access
2024-05-18 14:17:27	phrik	Title: Using Docker macvlan networks :: blog.oddbit.com (at blog.oddbit.com)
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2024-05-18 14:18:13	cloudowind	using systemd-netpawn but what matters i am looking thank you:/
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2024-05-18 18:31:16	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-18 18:26:24	⚡ 	SysGhost hexcode the glyph in. A schlong suddenly plops out of the screen panel. Hits enter a few times and it moves up flopping around only to slip behind the screen buffer as it reaches the top. "Oh no... my scrollback buffer is f*cked!"
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2024-05-18 18:50:56	chikuwasuka	does anyone know of a way to slow down the messages on the tty (specifically on shutdown)? since scrollback was removed in 5.9 there doesn't seem to be any way to read the entire output of a SysRq command (aside from having a serial port which... I do not)
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2024-05-18 18:55:56	mpan	chikuwasuka: the messages, except possibly the absolutely last few, are written to the journal. So you can access them using `journalctl -b BOOT_ID` (where `BOOT_ID` may be negative, relative to current). Not a direct answer, but slowing it down directly — even if possible — may not be helpful, as that would only slow down output, not the sources. And the sources is what will eventually
2024-05-18 18:55:56	mpan	close the 
2024-05-18 18:56:02	mpan	system before you can even read the messages.
2024-05-18 18:56:57	chikuwasuka	mpan: this happens in late shutdown, after systemd's journal has already shut off. unless there's a way to tell it not to obey the SIGTERM?
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2024-05-18 18:57:28	mpan	Then I have no ideas other than using an actual serial console for messages.
2024-05-18 18:57:36	mpan	(perhaps others will have ideas)
2024-05-18 18:57:52	gromit	chikuwasuka: so you have a hang on shutdown? 
2024-05-18 18:58:02	mpan	Because conveying the messages over SSH would not be helpful either, for the same reason.
2024-05-18 18:58:06	chikuwasuka	not consistently, but yes
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2024-05-18 18:58:58	chikuwasuka	i can tell something is holding up part of the memory, but SysRq+D to determine what locks are active produces too much output for me to read the relevant parts of it.
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2024-05-18 19:02:23	rcf	chikuwasuka: if you have a phone or camera with moderately high speed video support, you can try the jankier approach of recording it and then looking at it frame by frame 
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2024-05-18 19:04:07	gromit	chikuwasuka: the fedora wiki has the following:
2024-05-18 19:04:09	gromit	> Slowing down the speed of text output with boot_delay=1000 (the number may need to be tweaked higher/lower to suit) may allow the user to take a digital camera photo of the last thing on screen.
2024-05-18 19:04:14	gromit	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_kernel_problems#Crashes/Hangs
2024-05-18 19:04:15	phrik	Title: Common kernel problems - Fedora Project Wiki (at fedoraproject.org)
2024-05-18 19:05:22	chikuwasuka	rcf: 30 fps, but i can try that anyway. it's certainly better than my reading speed
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2024-05-18 19:06:17	chikuwasuka	gromit: i'm guessing that kernel parameter just adds a delay at the end the boot process without affected shutdown, but might as well try it
2024-05-18 19:06:23	rcf	chikuwasuka: go for max shutter speed to reduce blur. 
2024-05-18 19:06:31	gromit	Ah but I'm not sure if boot_delay works on shutdown 🤔 I gues you'll need to try
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2024-05-18 19:08:05	gromit	chikuwasuka: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v6.9/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html?highlight=boot_delay
2024-05-18 19:08:06	phrik	Title: The kernel’s command-line parameters — The Linux Kernel documentation (at www.kernel.org)
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2024-05-18 19:22:00	arsaces	hi, what are the requirements for the pre-mounted partitioning for archinstall? i can't make it work by mounting the / in /mnt/archinstall and esp in /mnt/archinstall/boot. #archinstall is on vacation
2024-05-18 19:59:55	arsaces	ok found the problem. i need to manually also create /mnt/archinstall/etc/resolv.conf
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2024-05-18 21:09:39	ana_briated	sure
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2024-05-18 21:09:56	ana_briated	prepared for them to disappear after but there's no issue putting logs in there
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2024-05-18 21:18:22	wy584z67	kode54: I see that the conky bug (that I reported here and you created a bug fix request) has been fixed in the latest version.  Thanks!
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2024-05-18 22:04:16	chovy	installing php82 fails on arch
2024-05-18 22:04:21	chovy	any work arounds?
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2024-05-18 22:04:30	gromit	chovy: what fails? 
2024-05-18 22:04:55	chovy	it fails at imap-src or something
2024-05-18 22:05:04	chovy	doing yay -S php82
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2024-05-18 22:05:41	chovy	http://pastie.org/p/0decs2dSrsBO05OA1PmQU4
2024-05-18 22:05:42	phrik	Title: Pastie (at pastie.org)
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2024-05-18 22:06:16	gromit	chovy: if php 8.3 works for you you can also just use the repo package
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2024-05-18 22:06:48	gromit	chovy: I think we're missing the relevant part of the output
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2024-05-18 22:07:12	chovy	gromit: i need 82 for work
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2024-05-18 22:14:49	chovy	i guess its c-client that needs gcc12 to build. i'm on gcc 14 is there anyway to downgrade real quick?
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2024-05-18 22:14:49	ana_briated	whoa, pinned comment on php82 advises `pacman -Syy`
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2024-05-18 22:16:19	rcf	chovy: in these cases I genuinely think containers are the only sane solution 
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2024-05-18 22:16:37	ana_briated	containers or vm
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2024-05-18 22:17:50	Betal	I am getting weechat crashes on /exit, I wonder if it is related to python https://bpa.st/raw/447A
2024-05-18 22:18:33	ana_briated	re php82, took a quick glance, and there does not appear to be a php version manager on the level of nvm or pyenv, VM/container is likely the most ideal solution
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2024-05-18 22:19:41	teraflops	Betal: I had same issue, I started by disabling scripts till I found the guilty one then reinstalled it (iirc it was notify.py)
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2024-05-18 22:21:13	teraflops	nah I cant remember which one it was
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2024-05-18 22:22:50	chovy	ana_briated: what is Syy?
2024-05-18 22:23:32	chovy	this company is a joke. their code which i haven't seen yet is probably going to be a shit show. their UI is atrocious
2024-05-18 22:23:51	chovy	if their UI sucks so bad I can't imagine the code being any better
2024-05-18 22:24:09	chovy	even if i use a vm how would i install php82?
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2024-05-18 22:24:16	chovy	i'd still have same problem
2024-05-18 22:24:34	teraflops	chovy: dis you read the comments on its aur page?
2024-05-18 22:24:36	teraflops	did
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2024-05-18 22:25:41	teraflops	oh I see you commented out there
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2024-05-18 22:26:09	chovy	teraflops: it says to install gcc12 off aur
2024-05-18 22:26:12	chovy	i'm trying that first
2024-05-18 22:26:29	chovy	its c-client that is broken not php82
2024-05-18 22:26:35	chovy	which is a dependency i guess
2024-05-18 22:27:46	ana_briated	chovy: it forces a package database update without updating the system to match - see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_maintenance#Partial_upgrades_are_unsupported
2024-05-18 22:27:48	phrik	Title: System maintenance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-18 22:30:11	astralc	if you read the comments... you see the maintainer also have repo with it
2024-05-18 22:30:36	teraflops	yeah I was wondering about the repo
2024-05-18 22:30:49	teraflops	not sure whether it still exists
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2024-05-19 12:18:33	Earnestly	demonicm1niac1: https://theoverclockingpage.com/2024/05/13/tutorial-transforming-a-qlc-ssd-into-an-slc-ssd-dramatically-increasing-the-drives-endurance/?lang=en
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2024-05-19 12:18:55	Earnestly	demonicm1niac1: (Specifically BX500)
2024-05-19 12:19:42	demonicm1niac1	Earnestly: yeah read that when it was on techpowerup a week ago too
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2024-05-19 12:20:38	demonicm1niac1	so uneconomical pricewise
2024-05-19 12:20:54	Earnestly	Doesn't seem to have MLC options
2024-05-19 12:21:07	demonicm1niac1	most current qlc ssds use any free space as pslc cache pretty much anyways
2024-05-19 12:21:45	Earnestly	How much does a pure slc 120G cost?
2024-05-19 12:22:02	demonicm1niac1	that's not really a thing anymore for a long time
2024-05-19 12:22:03	Earnestly	It's not immediately easy to find any as they're all "slc cache"
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2024-05-19 12:22:28	demonicm1niac1	since they all use dynamic slc cache there's not really any point going "pure"
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2024-05-19 12:23:46	Earnestly	For anything that might see ridiculous writes but not much capacity requirement?
2024-05-19 12:24:01	Earnestly	Then again, cache should help with that I suppose
2024-05-19 12:24:06	demonicm1niac1	that would all run on the slc cache anyways
2024-05-19 12:24:07	demonicm1niac1	yup
2024-05-19 12:24:20	Earnestly	How large are slc caches these days?
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2024-05-19 12:28:57	balrog_	jelle: bug/outdated pkg: https://bpa.st/ORNQ python 3.12; expected behaviour: https://bpa.st/PKQQ python 3.11
2024-05-19 12:28:59	phrik	Title: View paste ORNQ (at bpa.st)
2024-05-19 12:29:28	jelle	balrog_: not a bug
2024-05-19 12:29:31	balrog_	could anyone try to reproduce it maybe(first paste command) - it's what I did
2024-05-19 12:29:43	jelle	you just lack setuptools
2024-05-19 12:29:46	balrog_	so you have the same issue?
2024-05-19 12:29:55	jelle	no
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2024-05-19 12:30:41	demonicm1niac1	Earnestly: ssd specific and obviously a factor of free space
2024-05-19 12:30:46	jelle	no as in, I did not try to reproduce this
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2024-05-19 12:31:23	demonicm1niac1	Earnestly: current cheapo qlc ssds it's between 10 to 50% of the drive possibly slc cache but controller/flash/etc specific and always limited by free space
2024-05-19 12:31:26	Earnestly	demonicm1niac1: It seems to vary, as a % of total capacity some provide more or less
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2024-05-19 12:32:12	Earnestly	demonicm1niac1: This BX500 240G is 24G (so 10%)
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2024-05-19 12:37:13	demonicm1niac1	Earnestly: https://tpucdn.com/review/crucial-t500-2-tb/images/cache-size.png
2024-05-19 12:37:19	demonicm1niac1	some data
2024-05-19 12:37:37	demonicm1niac1	tlc generally have smaller slc caches, qlc larger and the more current the ssd the larger the slc too
2024-05-19 12:38:17	teraflops	oh my laptop has that very same nvme
2024-05-19 12:39:10	Earnestly	That's not so bad for qlc then
2024-05-19 12:40:21	demonicm1niac1	the t500 is tlc tho which explains the nearly 1/3 slc cache
2024-05-19 12:40:50	demonicm1niac1	qlc have generally a higher percentage of the space available as slc cache but obviously that's at most 1/4 of the size vs 1/3 on tlc
2024-05-19 12:41:14	demonicm1niac1	but good tlc can reach like 1.2gb/s on just the tlc writes vs qlc between 300 and 500mb/s
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2024-05-19 12:46:14	demonicm1niac1	it's still fair to convert ancient already very worn out qlc/tlc to all slc for some minipc boot drive or something tho
2024-05-19 12:46:27	demonicm1niac1	where 100gb is more than enough and at least you get another 2 years out of it or so
2024-05-19 12:47:09	balrog_	jelly: you mean setuptools by pip in venv I assume? I do have setuptools installed, but this counts only for the system? https://bpa.st/3LLA
2024-05-19 12:47:10	phrik	Title: View paste 3LLA (at bpa.st)
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2024-05-19 12:48:39	jelle	balrog_: yes, it's a venv
2024-05-19 12:49:15	demonicm1niac1	personally i just try to keep ssds i write to frequently/a lot at most 50% full for wear leveling purposes and data ssds i usually write very little to after initial filling at 10% free
2024-05-19 12:50:06	balrog_	so I assume the command had the same output for you? .. that was exactly my question :(
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2024-05-19 12:50:19	balrog_	https://bpa.st/YM3A however is adjusted and works. Thanks
2024-05-19 12:50:20	phrik	Title: View paste YM3A (at bpa.st)
2024-05-19 12:53:14	teraflops	demonicm1niac1: sorry for the interruption, do you think the t500 2tb CT2000T500SSD8 is a good nvme? is the 1TB wd black any better? I just changed it for the crucial
2024-05-19 12:53:43	jelle	balrog_: I don't understand the question
2024-05-19 12:53:54	teraflops	the crucial gets way less hot than the wd balck
2024-05-19 12:54:10	jelle	you called "bin/pip install setuptools beautysh" now and it works
2024-05-19 12:54:37	jelle	meanwhile https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/beautysh
2024-05-19 12:54:38	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - beautysh (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-19 12:56:22	balrog_	jelle yea - however I provided the full failing command in my first paste and I got you wrong. For you it was likely obvious to add setuptools to the venv pip install, while I were checking my system setuptools
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2024-05-19 12:57:49	balrog_	didn't check the aur package, as I also need the package on two non-arch systems - good hint however. 
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2024-05-19 14:16:57	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-19 15:30:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-19 14:43:02	SanskritFritz_	!wiki
2024-05-19 14:43:02	phrik	SanskritFritz_: The answer is 42.
2024-05-19 14:43:09	SanskritFritz_	RIP then :D
2024-05-19 14:43:30	Edu4rdSHL	!aw
2024-05-19 14:43:31	phrik	Edu4rdSHL: Is that a question?
2024-05-19 14:44:02	SanskritFritz	wiki is down, right?
2024-05-19 14:44:21	Edu4rdSHL	Nope
2024-05-19 14:44:27	virtualsid	archwiki is working for me
2024-05-19 14:44:43	SanskritFritz	ah back for me too
2024-05-19 14:45:04	SanskritFritz	there was a slight disturbance only
2024-05-19 14:45:26	virtualsid	oh, good :)
2024-05-19 14:50:01	mpan	Packets got tired. Had to rest for a moment.
2024-05-19 14:59:02	MrElendig	SanskritFritz: https://status.archlinux.org
2024-05-19 14:59:03	phrik	Title: status.archlinux.org (at status.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-19 17:59:34	solsTiCe	Is there a way to run a pacman hook after `pacman -Fy`?
2024-05-19 18:02:04	glitsj16	solsTiCe: if there isn't such a thing I guess it wouldn't be that hard to use a wrapper
2024-05-19 18:03:33	solsTiCe	ok
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2024-05-19 18:03:41	glitsj16	just curious, what would you do in such a hook?
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2024-05-19 18:04:30	solsTiCe	decompress the repo.files, because that kills py rpi session when i do a look-up |pacman -F something`. I gues everything is done in RAM, and with limited RAM, that does not work well
2024-05-19 18:04:53	solsTiCe	speciffically, I run  `cd /var/lib/pacman/sync; perl-rename 's/files$/files.gz/' && gunzip *.gz`
2024-05-19 18:05:03	glitsj16	fair point
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2024-05-19 18:10:49	glitsj16	first time I've seen a reference to *.gz files for /var/lib/pacman/sync heh
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2024-05-19 18:31:18	glitsj16	solsTiCe: looking at `man alpm-hooks` I think you're out of luck for a hook; only references Install|Upgrade|Remove as valid entrees for the Operation fieldable)
2024-05-19 18:32:16	glitsj16	maybe open a forum thread, it's pretty quiet here on a sunday
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2024-05-19 20:45:16	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1449 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1449 regular)
2024-05-19 19:23:39	jab416171	does anyone know of a hamachi gui that runs under wayland?
2024-05-19 19:32:08	demure	anyone else use autorandr and have an issue where --detect returns nothing? I assume that is related to why I can't get autorandr to auto set my displays, and have to manually load profiles.
2024-05-19 19:47:39	drathir_tor	demure: just wonder does xrandr --listproviders blanks as well ?
2024-05-19 19:55:35	demure	while xrandr does see the other monitors when connected, `xrandr --listproviders` only seems to see the laptop screen
2024-05-19 19:56:27	demure	or at lest I assume it is the laptop screen, as the result doesn't change between running with or without the other monitors
2024-05-19 20:16:07	ian|	i know that it's a direct IPC between applicaitons
2024-05-19 20:18:10	ian|	does it also store configs?
2024-05-19 20:28:01	WhyNotHugo	What's codelens? I see some mentions of it in the 0.10 release notes, but can't find any documentation for it.
2024-05-19 20:39:21	arsaces	ian|: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus/
2024-05-19 20:39:22	phrik	Title: dbus (at www.freedesktop.org)
2024-05-19 20:40:47	arsaces	if anyone knows how to disable dbus services, msg me
2024-05-19 20:43:26	Edu4rdSHL	arsaces, do not
2024-05-19 20:44:19	arsaces	Edu4rdSHL: do not what?
2024-05-19 20:45:20	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-05-19 20:46:11	arsaces	always somebody trying to tell other people what to do with their computers
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2024-05-19 20:48:54	glitsj16	arsaces: true, and that's irritating; but i'm pretty sure Edu4rdSHL wants to save you from potential footguns
2024-05-19 20:49:30	arsaces	glitsj16: thanks, but i'm fine
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2024-05-19 20:50:27	glitsj16	arsaces: there are ways to disable just about anything, could you provide some context?
2024-05-19 20:51:00	WhyNotHugo	arsaces: if you're using a distribution with systemd, you can't disable the dbus service; systemd itself depends on it.
2024-05-19 20:51:01	glitsj16	any particular d-bus service nagging you?
2024-05-19 20:51:09	WhyNotHugo	on any other distirbution, just disable the service via your service manager.
2024-05-19 20:51:47	demonicm1niac1	maybe they mean dbus endpoint providers?
2024-05-19 20:51:49	arsaces	WhyNotHugo: well i didn't ask about that
2024-05-19 20:52:14	WhyNotHugo	It sounded like you did to me. Rephrase your question if you mean something else.
2024-05-19 20:52:23	demonicm1niac1	dbus doesn't provide "services" it provides endpoints for stuff to address. if you want it to "stop" you disable an endpoint by not having a provider
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2024-05-19 20:57:58	arsaces	oh you didn't know about these? /usr/share/dbus-1
2024-05-19 20:58:45	HuntsMan	those are services using dbus
2024-05-19 20:59:03	arsaces	yes?
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2024-05-19 21:04:22	rcf	demonicm1niac1: except it does, because it predates systemd and has its own activation mechanisms 
2024-05-19 21:04:37	rcf	Which is extremely annoying 
2024-05-19 21:05:46	rcf	dbus-broker makes it less annoying, though 
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2024-05-19 21:07:20	demonicm1niac1	rcf: hm my understanding was that all of those "services" are started by programs when launched and stopped when programs close. i can't recall anything but at-spi ever running
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2024-05-19 21:08:29	arsaces	i have a process "jackdbus auto" starting on my system. where can i see what starts it?
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2024-05-19 21:08:53	teraflops	that is the right question
2024-05-19 21:09:04	arsaces	.. so i can disable it
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2024-05-19 21:10:40	rcf	They’re socket activated, but that still counts as a service in my book. And I really, really dislike legacy service management when systemd is already mandatory. 
2024-05-19 21:11:02	Edu4rdSHL	arsaces, honestly, at this point I¿m pretty sure that you don't have idea about what you're doing
2024-05-19 21:11:08	Edu4rdSHL	:)
2024-05-19 21:11:21	Edu4rdSHL	"Let me break my system for free"
2024-05-19 21:11:32	rcf	They are not breaking their system 
2024-05-19 21:11:33	arsaces	Edu4rdSHL: wow you're ignorant
2024-05-19 21:11:48	glitsj16	arsaces: one way to find that info is by running a search in that /usr/share/dbus-1 dir
2024-05-19 21:11:49	teraflops	arsaces: do you have installed extra/jack2-dbus ?
2024-05-19 21:12:06	rcf	They are doing something everyone expects to work with systemd, but doesn’t because dbus is archaic 
2024-05-19 21:12:22	drathir_tor	demure: that could be some kind of powersave mode of outputs also xrandr --output X --auto could configure it but not sure if works with missing ones... output should tab complete when detected...
2024-05-19 21:12:46	glitsj16	arsaces: but there are other places they can be in, like /etc/dbus-1
2024-05-19 21:12:51	Edu4rdSHL	rcf, except that most things works using dbus 
2024-05-19 21:13:11	Edu4rdSHL	At least if you use systemd
2024-05-19 21:13:11	rcf	Edu4rdSHL: they want to disable a specific service, not the whole thing. 
2024-05-19 21:13:34	Edu4rdSHL	> if anyone knows how to disable dbus services, msg me
2024-05-19 21:13:37	arsaces	rms was right. does the program control you, or do you control the program
2024-05-19 21:13:40	rcf	The problem is that dbus has a parallel mechanism for services 
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2024-05-19 21:13:58	Edu4rdSHL	On no, a rms follower
2024-05-19 21:14:02	Edu4rdSHL	Expected
2024-05-19 21:14:14	arsaces	oh no a systemd fan boy
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2024-05-19 21:14:20	hackfoo_	both of you stop, ffs
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2024-05-19 21:14:45	rcf	So when the user tries systemctl to disable a socket, they end up with the thing still starting right up 
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2024-05-19 21:14:46	demonicm1niac1	jack-dbus integration is packaged seperately from jack2 anyways as optional dep?
2024-05-19 21:14:47	teraflops	rcf: could you stop being such pedantic and instead help them, you look interested or it looks like
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2024-05-19 21:15:04	teraflops	>arsaces: do you have installed extra/jack2-dbus ?
2024-05-19 21:15:16	demonicm1niac1	oh missed that
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2024-05-19 21:15:30	teraflops	yeah because so much noise
2024-05-19 21:15:32	arsaces	teraflops: no that was just an example of a dbus starting process on ubuntu
2024-05-19 21:15:34	rcf	teraflops: I will be pedantic when someone is ridiculing someone for wanting to do something totally normal and justified 
2024-05-19 21:15:49	Edu4rdSHL	"on ubuntu"
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2024-05-19 21:16:01	arsaces	Edu4rdSHL: please /ignore arsaces
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2024-05-19 21:16:24	arsaces	if you didn't know, ubuntu also uses dbus 
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2024-05-19 21:16:54	teraflops	arsaces: this is arch linux support channel, do you have an arch linux support question?
2024-05-19 21:16:55	demonicm1niac1	rcf: fair re still a service etc
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2024-05-19 21:17:09	arsaces	teraflops: yes how would i disable dbus services?
2024-05-19 21:17:23	teraflops	pfff
2024-05-19 21:17:26	Edu4rdSHL	lmao
2024-05-19 21:17:28	Edu4rdSHL	!bail
2024-05-19 21:17:29	phrik	Looks like Edu4rdSHL is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2024-05-19 21:17:37	arsaces	!next
2024-05-19 21:17:37	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2024-05-19 21:19:04	glitsj16	some of those D-Bus files are named foo.service, calling them "services" isn't that bizar (regardless of the technicalities)
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2024-05-19 21:21:56	rcf	arsaces: as for an actual solution, you override the service file and set exec to false. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/D-Bus#Override_dbus_service
2024-05-19 21:21:57	phrik	Title: D-Bus - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-19 21:22:46	arsaces	rcf: thanks. does that really work? i think i tested it some years ago
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2024-05-19 21:23:47	arsaces	ah "If the service is already launched, the override will not work."
2024-05-19 21:24:14	arsaces	that's not really convenient but it's something
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2024-05-19 21:26:27	glitsj16	arsaces: stopping something before disabling it is always assumed to be 'working knowledge'
2024-05-19 21:27:01	arsaces	glitsj16: i'd think dbus would start it back up if i killed it, no?
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2024-05-19 21:28:13	glitsj16	where did 'killing' come in? stop it :-)
2024-05-19 21:28:23	arsaces	glitsj16: how? :)
2024-05-19 21:28:59	arsaces	i think i stumbled on some secret lol
2024-05-19 21:29:06	glitsj16	if it's a user service --> systemctl --user stop <service>
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2024-05-19 21:29:27	rcf	glitsj16: it depends on whether it’s a systemd service or not
2024-05-19 21:29:29	arsaces	glitsj16: that works for dbus services?
2024-05-19 21:29:31	glitsj16	system services via 'sudo systemctl ...
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2024-05-19 21:30:06	rcf	glitsj16: that’s the irritating thing with dbus. It can use systemd properly in a service file, but it doesn’t have to. 
2024-05-19 21:30:27	glitsj16	rcf: yes i see the difference now
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2024-05-19 21:36:24	rcf	Amusingly I’m more of a systemd fanboy in this regard than the people accused of being systemd fanboys. 
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2024-05-19 21:43:21	rcf	broker does fix this to a large extent by using transient units instead of direct execution, however. So I think you can at least mask them. 
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2024-05-20 03:03:30	kode54	Rg0: that, or he forgot to push the changes to the source repo
2024-05-20 03:23:25	random-nick	esph: probably not the same issue, I have a navi card and have been experiencing this issue for definitely less than a year
2024-05-20 03:24:15	rcf	esph: someone in #aot has had issues with polaris 
2024-05-20 03:24:27	esph	random-nick: maybe, but I'm seeing the same symptoms and error messages
2024-05-20 03:24:38	esph	xorg crashing and all that
2024-05-20 03:25:01	esph	rcf: oh, did they figure it out?
2024-05-20 03:25:09	rcf	No, they've just run into more as time goes on 
2024-05-20 03:26:26	rcf	esph: out of curiosity, KDE? 
2024-05-20 03:26:35	esph	no DE
2024-05-20 03:27:50	cloudowind	not a big issue but the other day iwanted to test konsole and while doign so i said why not see how kde doing, i did download kde and did run it , but it didt run , gave me a blackscreen and stuck there and said no i dont have time for this and deleted
2024-05-20 03:28:31	cloudowind	xorg and intel graphic onboard 
2024-05-20 03:58:22	Numero	arch linux desktop. in Konsole, shelling into two other machines on the lan experiences frozen sessions after a few seconds. 100-packet pings go without any losses. 
2024-05-20 04:00:29	Numero	just tried shelling into one of the other machines and pinging from it back to me and it froze after 5 packets
2024-05-20 04:05:20	kode54	Whee
2024-05-20 04:05:47	kode54	a Chinese domain registrar has been asked by some business to mass register “kode54” as a bunch of business tlds
2024-05-20 04:09:35	Numero	it is happening every time i shell into either of these two machines - a few seconds, then session freezes
2024-05-20 04:10:01	Numero	if i wait a few minutes, shell session says "client_loop: send disconnect: Broken pipe"
2024-05-20 04:15:37	Numero	a local Konsole session does not freeze.
2024-05-20 04:19:54	Numero	trying to scp a ~500MiB file just says "- stalled -" over to the right
2024-05-20 04:20:06	Numero	nothing shows up in dmesg on either machine
2024-05-20 04:21:11	Numero	i'm going to go see what network hardware they have in common
2024-05-20 04:28:30	Hunker	I gona try to install arch with ecrypted grub/boot and /. On archwiki it says that /boot does not need to be on it's own partition. That is a bit strange to me. if it is on a disk that is using lvm, is it then inside the logical volume.. is that volume not on the whole partition and decrypted by the system in the boot image?
2024-05-20 04:29:06	Hunker	not disk nessesarily but partition
2024-05-20 04:30:21	virtualsid	Numero: are you sure it's not your network switch or something giving you grief?
2024-05-20 04:33:08	Scimmia	Hunker: it just has to be somewhere grub can access it
2024-05-20 04:33:47	Hunker	Is there maybe a step for step guide for this. Also do i need lvm? why cant I just make an partition for / and one for my user and encrypt them without any lvm and logical groups and that hell
2024-05-20 04:35:19	Hunker	Scimmia: So will grub core be able to sort out lvm and find the /boot in side ? This should merit a good long explanation video
2024-05-20 04:35:45	Numero	virtualsid: that's why i'm going to go check for common net hardware. this arch machine is on a switch located in the attic and it's the only machine on that switch but i need to see how the two machines in the basement are wired up
2024-05-20 04:55:04	virtualsid	YAY!!!
2024-05-20 04:55:22	Numero	i didn't have to do a single thing in software to get it working, either. 
2024-05-20 04:55:33	virtualsid	What was the broken GPU?
2024-05-20 04:56:09	Numero	virtualsid: some pretty old nvidia geforce. 
2024-05-20 04:57:14	virtualsid	heh.I had a 660Ti that started to give me similar experiences to what you had...
2024-05-20 04:58:20	Numero	and the machine is considerably quieter, too. it helped that i disconnected the upper rear fan as well
2024-05-20 04:58:47	Numero	oh and those geforces got *hot*. 
2024-05-20 05:02:55	Numero	i was hoping to get a fanless GPU but i didn't like the connector options of those and the choices were scarce - this one's got two fans and heatpipes but like i was saying before, i don't game so there's only so much stress it's going to be put under
2024-05-20 05:03:28	virtualsid	you... don't game?! this is... wrong
2024-05-20 05:10:51	ana_briated	it's wild to believe
2024-05-20 05:11:05	ana_briated	some folks prefer consoles
2024-05-20 05:11:10	ana_briated	or.... have hobbies
2024-05-20 05:20:56	kode54	bluetail: one video to a folder?
2024-05-20 05:30:46	bluetail	kode54 no
2024-05-20 05:31:13	bluetail	per folder one series for indication
2024-05-20 05:31:45	bluetail	thus, each folder has folder.jpg, and it will be processed to get a .ico at $HOME/ico 
2024-05-20 05:32:00	bluetail	because it is a remote directory, the ref needs to be local
2024-05-20 05:32:30	bluetail	since filemanagers do not take a remote resource as the folder thumbnail
2024-05-20 05:32:59	bluetail	it is super dumb. Like, practically, you should be able to just say: folder.jpg is my thumbnail per folder.
2024-05-20 06:08:08	Gnana	Hello hows the problem is coming
2024-05-20 06:08:48	mefistofeles	!give Gnana welcomerpg
2024-05-20 06:08:49	phrik	Gnana: Greetings, traveller of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get ravaged today?
2024-05-20 06:09:32	Gnana	👍
2024-05-20 06:42:21	cloudowind	for some reason ive achieved what i wanted to achieve with ipvlan , where i couldnt with macvlan nor with bridging 
2024-05-20 06:44:03	cloudowind	nice that those modules easly available in arch , ipvlan and macvlan can easly be probed and activated 
2024-05-20 08:20:20	tranzistor	Hello! I'd like to have two Wayland KDE Plasmas on two different VTs running at the same time as different users for privilege separation. I'd like to run some untrusted binary programs as some low privilege user that does not have access to my display session that has my mail client open etc.
2024-05-20 08:20:52	tranzistor	I'm using lightdm. Can I somehow start two lightdms or login to two display sessions from the same lightdm with two users?
2024-05-20 08:22:44	tranzistor	Figured it out, seems like I don't need lightdm at all, I can just use startplasma-way in agetty shell. Is this equivalent to what lightdm does?
2024-05-20 09:57:28	snoriman	Hi, I'm looking into a solution where I can ssh into a remote server, open `emacs -nw` then copy something into my local (client side) clipboard. Am I correct that I have to enabe X Forwarding for this?
2024-05-20 09:58:06	grawity	in most cases yes
2024-05-20 09:58:44	snoriman	thanks. I read that it's also (mostly?) used to run the graphics part of an app locally and forward it to a remote?
2024-05-20 09:58:47	grawity	your local terminal might support OSC 52 to let apps put something in clipboard, but I'm not sure emacs supports it, and I don't think there's a way to autodetect that support
2024-05-20 09:59:24	grawity	X11 doesn't *run* the graphics part of an app locally; it *renders* the graphics part locally, but the entire app still runs remotely
2024-05-20 09:59:38	snoriman	ah thanks
2024-05-20 09:59:56	grawity	it doesn't need to be a graphical app, for it to work – it can be a terminal app that just uses X11 for the clipboard
2024-05-20 10:02:24	grawity	for X11, use `ssh -Y` (the default -X enables "secure" mode that prevents clipboard access), the server needs to have xauth installed as minimum (plus whatever else emacs needs for clipboard support – I have no idea, maybe it just shells out to `xsel` or `xclip`)
2024-05-20 10:02:35	grawity	for OSC52, there's a terminal support table at https://github.com/ojroques/vim-oscyank#features
2024-05-20 10:03:57	snoriman	thanks, I'm using kitty which should have support for OSC52, but copy/paste doesn't work from Emacs 
2024-05-20 10:10:32	grawity	there's apparently a plugin for that in, of all places, the Chrome OS sources https://chromium.googlesource.com/apps/libapps/+/master/hterm/etc/osc52.el
2024-05-20 10:10:33	phrik	Title: hterm/etc/osc52.el - apps/libapps - Git at Google (at chromium.googlesource.com)
2024-05-20 10:10:45	rcf	You’d need to configure emacs to use it 
2024-05-20 10:10:46	grawity	paste needs to be done from the terminal side, though
2024-05-20 10:11:02	grawity	i.e. app usually can't pull text from clipboard via OSC52
2024-05-20 10:12:48	rcf	Bracketed paste makes that less irritating than it otherwise would be 
2024-05-20 10:13:18	snoriman	rcf: what's "Bracketed paste" ? 
2024-05-20 10:14:19	grawity	a terminal feature that sends additional sequences before/after pasted text, to tell the app "this is literally pasted so don't try to auto-indent it"
2024-05-20 10:14:34	virtualsid	well, TIL!
2024-05-20 10:14:55	grawity	or, in bash/zsh, "this is pasted so let the user take a look at it before running"
2024-05-20 10:15:05	tirnanog	further, "don't try to execute each line as a command if you're an undertanding shell"
2024-05-20 10:15:14	grawity	when you paste a command into bash and it's got a reverse background
2024-05-20 11:07:12	arojas	Rg0: right.
2024-05-20 11:24:21	kode54	or if something munged up your terminal, it pastes escape sequences into your command buffer
2024-05-20 11:24:41	kode54	which reminds you it's once again time to emit a `reset`
2024-05-20 11:42:43	papu	are the proprietary drivers recommended for amd raphael over amdgpu?
2024-05-20 11:54:55	demonicm1niac1	papu: in general - no. you only need the proprietary if you want to use amf - in most cases the open source is better and moving faster than the proprietary closed source one
2024-05-20 11:55:16	demonicm1niac1	amdvlk in general also performs worse than radv
2024-05-20 11:56:25	papu	I'm having it randomly stop displaying for some reason. Dmesg shows amdgpu 0000:0f:00.0: [drm] REG_WAIT timeout 1us * 100000 tries - optc31_disable_crtc line:136
2024-05-20 11:57:05	papu	someone on the forums said a vga kernel parameter was causing it for them but I don't have any other paramters except for loglevel and nvidia kms ones
2024-05-20 11:58:38	demonicm1niac1	so you're talking about a desktop ryzen 7000 and a nvidia dgpu
2024-05-20 11:58:41	rascasse	Hi, following the archlinux doc https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Btrfs#Swap_file to create a btrfs swapfile. I fail to understand the green Tip "Consider creating the subvol directly below the top lvl subvol". Isn't it what is showed just above? `btrfs sub create /swap`?
2024-05-20 11:58:43	phrik	Title: Btrfs - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-20 11:58:46	demonicm1niac1	are you even using the integrated amdgpu?
2024-05-20 11:59:05	papu	I am for a third display
2024-05-20 11:59:26	papu	I was forcing it on with xrandr after boot and that worked but it will randomly stop showing output
2024-05-20 12:05:57	demonicm1niac1	papu: hm weird. with both lts and current kernel? did it just appear at some point or always been the case?
2024-05-20 12:06:07	arsaces	rascasse: i'm not really sure what it means, but you can see the top level btrfs by mounting it with -o subvolid=0
2024-05-20 12:06:22	demonicm1niac1	i remember hearing stuff with 6.5 about flickering/black screen issues with mostly apus
2024-05-20 12:07:03	papu	demonicm1niac1: This is the first time I'm trying to use this APU on linux and I haven't tried another kernel yet
2024-05-20 12:07:18	rascasse	yea that "tip" is pretty confusing
2024-05-20 12:21:49	demonicm1niac1	papu: could you pastebin the whole dmesg/journal with preceeding errors?
2024-05-20 12:27:21	papu	demonicm1niac1: https://pastebin.com/E50A52vc
2024-05-20 12:27:22	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XPym.txt
2024-05-20 12:27:24	phrik	Title: dmesg - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-05-20 12:31:28	papu	demonicm1niac1: maybe amdgpu: 'RAS: optional ras ta ucode is not available' or 'amdgpu: RAP: optional rap ta ucode is not available' has something to do with the issue?
2024-05-20 12:39:23	demonicm1niac1	papu: hm no securedisplay is a red herring for some optional support thing. i don't think the 610m supports ras/rap ucode
2024-05-20 12:40:23	demonicm1niac1	can't see anything in that log i would recognize as a potential issue sorry. maybe somebody else will show up with more knowledge
2024-05-20 12:42:59	papu	demonicm1niac1: no problemo, thanks for looking over it
2024-05-20 13:49:31	tirnanog	rascasse: some choose not to mount the top-level subvolume (subvolid=5) as / but, rather, a subvolume thereof. I suppose the tip makes some sense in that context but it is a tad confusing.
2024-05-20 13:52:02	rawhide	I have a problem with rsync because I can't copy folders that have spaces in the foldernames so how do I make rsync understand how to copy a folder that has spaces in the foldername?
2024-05-20 13:52:46	rawhide	rsync works when I copy a folder without spaces in the foldername though
2024-05-20 13:52:58	Antiz	rawhide: You can escape the space with a backslash, like "My\ Folder"
2024-05-20 13:53:19	rawhide	with or without the "" ?
2024-05-20 13:53:34	Antiz	But generally speaking, you should avoid spaces in filenames and folder names :)
2024-05-20 13:53:44	Antiz	rawhide: Both should work AFAIK
2024-05-20 13:53:57	BrainDamage	my solution is to pass the filelist from stdin or a file
2024-05-20 13:54:02	BrainDamage	then it won't complain
2024-05-20 13:54:18	tirnanog	rawhide: do you have differing versions of rsync between sender and receiver?
2024-05-20 13:54:45	tirnanog	rawhide: I ask because modern versions of rsync have significant differences in their default behaviour, as regards this topic.
2024-05-20 13:55:23	rawhide	I'll check the versions
2024-05-20 13:55:47	espresso	rawhide: quotes around a string will escape all the spaces and make it a single argument
2024-05-20 13:56:35	tirnanog	it's not as simple as that because the rsync protocol can fall apart in the course of operating through a remote shell (using ssh), depending on versions, options etc.
2024-05-20 13:56:42	tirnanog	even if the operands were initially correctly quoted.
2024-05-20 13:57:16	rawhide	"foldername with spaces" didn't work but "folder\ name\ with\ spaces" did work but only when the "" were included
2024-05-20 13:57:33	jelle	what shell is this O_O
2024-05-20 13:57:41	rawhide	bash
2024-05-20 13:57:42	tirnanog	see above ... it's not that simple.
2024-05-20 13:57:52	tirnanog	it's not just "what shell am I invoking rsync in".
2024-05-20 13:58:11	tirnanog	again, that is why I'm trying to ascertain the versions involved between sender and receiver. it might be relevant.
2024-05-20 13:58:17	espresso	aye, I see
2024-05-20 13:59:00	tirnanog	actually ... I'm not sure the modern, safer, mode is even the default yet. checking.
2024-05-20 13:59:49	tirnanog	ah, right. so, things improved in 3.1.0. but you still have to specify -s ... or set RSYNC_PROTECT_ARGS to a non-zero value in your environment. and better be sure the remote has >=3.1.0 too in that case, I think.
2024-05-20 14:00:48	tirnanog	rawhide: in other words, try your original (failing) case again with -s. it'll probably work. and if it does, consider defining RSYNC_PROTECT_ARGS so that you don't have to remember to do it, as long as you use modern rsync everywhere.
2024-05-20 14:01:31	tirnanog	you'll still have to quote your operands correctly in the course of invoking sync, naturally (that's a distinct issue).
2024-05-20 14:06:25	tirnanog	they changed the mechanism again in 3.2.4, by the way. see https://download.samba.org/pub/rsync/NEWS.
2024-05-20 14:12:35	rawhide	tirnanog, source is rsync  version 3.2.7  protocol version 31 and the destination is rsync  version 3.1.2  protocol version 31
2024-05-20 14:13:05	rawhide	so perhaps the different versions is the issue
2024-05-20 14:13:21	tirnanog	please try -s.
2024-05-20 14:13:30	tirnanog	you still have to opt into it, it seems.
2024-05-20 14:13:56	rawhide	well I got it working so...
2024-05-20 14:13:59	tirnanog	they are probably fearful of breaking old scripts.
2024-05-20 14:14:16	tirnanog	yeah, but you had to use an absurd quoting strategy that makes no sense in isolation.
2024-05-20 14:14:34	tirnanog	it should work naturally with -s.
2024-05-20 14:15:09	rawhide	what does that stand for?
2024-05-20 14:15:54	tirnanog	--protect-args or --secluded-args, depending on version.
2024-05-20 14:20:26	tirnanog	I just did some tests. if transferring between >=3.2.4 and >=3.2.4, it works correctly with no options required. transferring to 3.1.2 is, indeed, the issue in this case.
2024-05-20 14:22:25	rawhide	that's good to know
2024-05-20 15:09:45	parakovsky	which version of virtualbox core packages one should install on realtime kernel?
2024-05-20 15:10:08	jelle	dkms likely
2024-05-20 15:10:34	grawity	parakovsky: the only package that varies by kernel is host-modules, and arch only provides prebuilt ones for generic kernel -- any other kernel needs the -dkms package
2024-05-20 15:11:55	parakovsky	thanks grawity and jelle 
2024-05-20 15:12:36	Scimmia	parakovsky: and make sure you know how dkms works
2024-05-20 15:12:43	grawity	tbh I'm kind of questioning the combination of virtualbox and realtime kernel
2024-05-20 15:13:33	parakovsky	yeah probably should switch back to a normal one
2024-05-20 15:13:53	grawity	what were you using rt for?
2024-05-20 15:13:54	parakovsky	I was doing some real time audio things, that's why
2024-05-20 15:14:03	parakovsky	I think supercollider or something
2024-05-20 15:14:24	grawity	I thought soft rt on the generic kernel usually suffices for that?
2024-05-20 15:15:03	grawity	anyway, it's fine either way but somehow I don't think you can get rt *and* VMs at the same time
2024-05-20 15:15:21	parakovsky	i try with a normal one having some problems running it anyway
2024-05-20 15:15:25	parakovsky	can't sign modules it seems
2024-05-20 15:16:06	grawity	only important if you run with strict secureboot
2024-05-20 15:16:26	parakovsky	not sure i've using secureboot
2024-05-20 15:18:29	jens_	hiii i've been ignoring this rather significant problem for a while (years).... whenever i unplug the charger from my laptop, it shuts down within seconds, ehehe
2024-05-20 15:18:32	jens_	i'm not sure where to start troubleshooting this
2024-05-20 15:18:49	grawity	your battery is dead?
2024-05-20 15:18:57	jens_	i'm not sure what that means
2024-05-20 15:19:16	grawity	lithium ion batteries hold less and less charge over time/use
2024-05-20 15:19:37	jens_	right right so like the battery capacity might be depleted
2024-05-20 15:19:58	Tom^	most certainly
2024-05-20 15:20:07	CarloWood	Can you boot it up again without plugging the charger back in?
2024-05-20 15:20:08	grawity	the `acpi` tool can usually show you the battery's own estimate
2024-05-20 15:20:16	grawity	(so can /sys, but running the tool is easier)
2024-05-20 15:20:19	jens_	CarloWood: no
2024-05-20 15:20:46	CarloWood	Sure looks like you have (almost) no battery then.
2024-05-20 15:21:18	jens_	see that being the problem sounds very convincing, but this has been a problem almost since this laptop was completely new
2024-05-20 15:21:39	grawity	investigate the possibility to rule it out regardless
2024-05-20 15:21:59	grawity	does it go through shutdown, or does it turn straight off?
2024-05-20 15:22:05	jens_	straight off
2024-05-20 15:22:14	grawity	what battery % does it report when you next turn it on?
2024-05-20 15:22:29	grawity	what "capacity" in mAh or whatever does it report?
2024-05-20 15:23:41	demonicm1niac1	cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT*/energy_{full,full_design,now} shouldn't be too hard either :)
2024-05-20 15:23:48	jens_	grawity: i'm not sure, will check in a moment
2024-05-20 15:25:32	jens_	demonicm1niac1: is full and full_design respectively current (depleted) and original battery capacity?
2024-05-20 15:25:47	grawity	demonicm1niac1: "No such file or directory" on this one
2024-05-20 15:25:53	jens_	either way i get 760000 / 3250000
2024-05-20 15:26:05	jens_	i assume they meant charge not energy
2024-05-20 15:26:08	demonicm1niac1	jens_: full is "last full", full_design is "what the battery should have held when it was new" and current is "how much it holds right now"
2024-05-20 15:26:18	grawity	jens_: energy_full is "current" in the sense of "last time it was charged up to what the battery considers to be 100% now"
2024-05-20 15:26:23	grawity	energy_full_design is when it was new
2024-05-20 15:26:27	jens_	right
2024-05-20 15:26:43	grawity	of course, that also doesn't show you the units...
2024-05-20 15:26:44	demonicm1niac1	grawity: huh til i guess i only ever own thinkpads and it's always energy there
2024-05-20 15:26:59	grawity	demonicm1niac1: I'm typing this on a 200x fujitsu lifebook >_>
2024-05-20 15:27:03	Tom^	demonicm1niac1: so 20% of design? and probably really dead anyways
2024-05-20 15:27:07	grawity	lemme check my "modern" hp though
2024-05-20 15:27:38	grawity	jens_: but yeah, if that's 760 mAh out of 3250 mAh, then it's very much in the "dying" range
2024-05-20 15:27:48	demonicm1niac1	yeah that's 32.5 ah and only 0.76 ah left
2024-05-20 15:27:55	demonicm1niac1	err
2024-05-20 15:27:58	demonicm1niac1	3.25ah
2024-05-20 15:28:08	jens_	i mean, what sort of percentage of original capacity would it have to be before it'd go from max charge to dead in literal seconds
2024-05-20 15:28:37	demonicm1niac1	grawity: wait no
2024-05-20 15:29:04	demonicm1niac1	oh right no
2024-05-20 15:29:16	MacGyver	If it's 760mAh out of 3250mAh I'd say you're long past the replacement point.
2024-05-20 15:29:39	grawity	jens_: it's always like that with lithium batteries, once they degrade to this point, they can't supply power even if the charge% isn't very low
2024-05-20 15:29:52	MacGyver	There's also the question of wether the battery can even supply the amps the system will ask for at that point.
2024-05-20 15:29:58	grawity	my older laptop started dying at 5%, then it started dying at 10%, then it started dying at 20% ...
2024-05-20 15:30:00	jens_	ok thank you very much all
2024-05-20 15:30:12	Tom^	unless ofc the internal charging logic is dead
2024-05-20 15:30:12	MacGyver	What grawity said.
2024-05-20 15:30:14	grawity	depends on temperature as well
2024-05-20 15:30:18	Tom^	so it just wont charge the battery :p
2024-05-20 15:30:21	demonicm1niac1	depending on the voltage which is usually like 10 to 12v there you're looking at like 8wh so it can only keep 8w for an hour and if you boot which first runs full bore like 50 or 60w and it reaches sub 10% charge bios/efi might just shut it down
2024-05-20 15:30:32	grawity	on the one hand, the battery will degrade faster if it is kept hot all the time
2024-05-20 15:30:43	grawity	on the other hand, it can't supply power as well if it's very cold
2024-05-20 15:30:46	CarloWood	replace. battery.
2024-05-20 15:30:55	demonicm1niac1	it could also be tho that the battery just can't hold the required voltage anymore at all and thus doesn't boot on battery
2024-05-20 15:31:06	jens_	ehehe i probably have thermal problems as well
2024-05-20 15:31:06	grawity	before I replaced my phone, it used to last a few hours indoors, but would die almost immediately once I got outside in the winter
2024-05-20 15:31:18	Tom^	grawity: iphone?
2024-05-20 15:31:27	Tom^	classical iphone behaviour lol
2024-05-20 15:31:28	grawity	Tom^: was a nexus5
2024-05-20 15:31:45	grawity	to be fair, nexus was like the iphone of android in some ways lol
2024-05-20 15:31:47	Tom^	but i guess -20C is a bit different then the winters you get down there heh
2024-05-20 15:32:13	Foxboron	grawity: Uhh was it Nexus 5 or Nexus 5X that got too hot and short circuitted itself after 2-3 years of use?
2024-05-20 15:32:36	demonicm1niac1	grawity: friend had the other issue where the phone shut off when they went to thailand could only use it indoors humidity/heat outside == instant shutoff heh
2024-05-20 15:32:39	espresso	well it was the Nexus 6 that mutinied, so maybe that makes sense
2024-05-20 15:32:42	grawity	it was a nexus5 that lasted six years and died literally the minute I answered the call from DPD to pick up my new pixel
2024-05-20 15:33:06	Foxboron	Yeah, it was the Nexus 5X that had the issue. It wouldn't have lasted 6 years
2024-05-20 15:33:20	jens_	upower reports battery voltage 17 V, isn't that a lot
2024-05-20 15:33:21	MacGyver	grawity: It knew it was being replaced and tried to spite you one last time.
2024-05-20 15:33:39	grawity	jens_: no, I think that's about normal? or low, even?
2024-05-20 15:33:49	jens_	oh ok
2024-05-20 15:34:14	MacGyver	Is that output voltage or input voltage?
2024-05-20 15:34:28	MacGyver	Because output voltages differ per platform, and input voltage is irrelevant.
2024-05-20 15:34:30	demonicm1niac1	10 to 15v is the standard usually
2024-05-20 15:34:47	grawity	ah, yeah, hold on
2024-05-20 15:34:51	jens_	MacGyver: i have no idea
2024-05-20 15:35:10	grawity	I guess that's high for a battery, but it probably varies between laptops
2024-05-20 15:35:25	grawity	what voltage_min_design and voltage_now do you have in /sys?
2024-05-20 15:35:38	grawity	it'll probably be inaccurate while it's charging, now that I think of it
2024-05-20 15:35:53	grawity	if the charger is.. what do modern laptops charge at?
2024-05-20 15:35:54	demonicm1niac1	 Maximal/minimal means values of voltages when battery considered "full"/"empty" at normal conditions.
2024-05-20 15:36:50	jens_	grawity: ratio is 1.14 (now higher than min_design)
2024-05-20 15:36:55	grawity	also I checked /sys on my main laptop out of curiosity, it only has charge_*, not energy_*
2024-05-20 15:37:29	grawity	so the latter is probably a thinkpad thing
2024-05-20 15:37:53	grawity	anyway, yeah, I think it's safe to conclude that your battery is dead
2024-05-20 15:40:07	jens_	i understand, thank you very much, either way if replacing the battery doesn't fix the problem i'll probably need that new battery at some points anyways
2024-05-20 15:40:55	grawity	if you keep it on AC all the time, look into whether the laptop supports charge limiting
2024-05-20 15:41:07	grawity	to keep the battery at around 70%-80% instead of 100% all the time
2024-05-20 15:41:31	grawity	won't fix the current battery but might help with the new one
2024-05-20 15:48:54	demonicm1niac1	tl;dr they essentially all use 3.6-3.7v 18600 cells, series/parallel mixes for 7.4/11/14.4v haven't ever seen anything doing more than 4 in series
2024-05-20 15:52:51	MacGyver	I charge mine to 89% max.
2024-05-20 15:53:05	MacGyver	The 70%-80% number gets thrown around a lot but...
2024-05-20 15:53:27	MacGyver	That's just cutting off too much of the usable capacity that it's not worth it for me.
2024-05-20 15:54:28	demonicm1niac1	depends on the age too. modern trickle chargers and hiding some capacity anyways from the os means 95% is usually fine just taking an hour from 90 to 95
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2024-05-20 21:05:04	siakc	I just installed Arch. I have a problem with GRUB. At boot it says symbol grub_is_shim_enabled no found.
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2024-05-20 21:05:41	wyre	hi guys, not sure how this has happened, I've got a VPS and I just can connect through VNC cause it cannot boot
2024-05-20 21:05:58	wyre	my provider offers me a rescue image (archiso)
2024-05-20 21:06:06	wyre	and ... I've trying to check what happened
2024-05-20 21:06:15	wyre	I can see the ext4 fs of my root partition is currupted
2024-05-20 21:06:17	wyre	https://i.imgur.com/BQx3YB4.png
2024-05-20 21:06:18	siakc	An interesting thing is that I can boot into newly installed OS from UEFI boot menu.
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2024-05-20 21:06:29	wyre	but ... not sure if I should just automate the fsck.ext4
2024-05-20 21:06:44	wyre	and clear all those inodes
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2024-05-20 21:06:53	wyre	what do you think? 
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2024-05-20 21:07:05	siakc	So if I didn't want to nake it dual boot with Windows I could forget about Grub.
2024-05-20 21:07:19	Namarrgon	siakc: Which bootloader did you install?
2024-05-20 21:07:19	wyre	I think the FS was actually modified already as fsck says
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2024-05-20 21:07:53	wyre	so ... not sure if I've lost some information 
2024-05-20 21:07:55	siakc	x86_64-efi
2024-05-20 21:08:11	teraflops	wyre: fsck.ext4 -fy it
2024-05-20 21:08:54	wyre	yes, that's what I was thinking
2024-05-20 21:09:05	wyre	but ... I feel like that is so aggressive
2024-05-20 21:09:06	Namarrgon	siakc: What was the full command?
2024-05-20 21:09:34	wyre	it's clearing a lot of inodes ... 
2024-05-20 21:09:56	teraflops	wyre: there was a issue in your provider?
2024-05-20 21:10:03	wyre	teraflops, probably
2024-05-20 21:10:04	teraflops	i'd open a ticket
2024-05-20 21:10:11	wyre	sure that's what I did
2024-05-20 21:10:17	wyre	its Contabo
2024-05-20 21:10:23	wyre	not sure if you know them
2024-05-20 21:10:32	teraflops	idk that one there are a lot of ps providers
2024-05-20 21:10:34	siakc	Namarrgon: grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/mnt --bootloader-id=ARCH  --disable-shim-lock
2024-05-20 21:10:41	teraflops	vps^
2024-05-20 21:11:01	siakc	First time I did not set --disable-shim-lock
2024-05-20 21:11:09	Namarrgon	siakc: That --efi-directory path is probably wrong, it is meant to point to the ESP mountpoint.
2024-05-20 21:11:14	wyre	I feel like they don't want to take the responsibility for that
2024-05-20 21:11:22	wyre	because they say they just provide hardware
2024-05-20 21:11:28	Namarrgon	siakc: Are you trying to set up secureboot?
2024-05-20 21:11:30	wyre	and I'm not paying for any backup service
2024-05-20 21:11:30	siakc	Yes I mounted efi partition to /mnt
2024-05-20 21:11:36	teraflops	faulty hardware
2024-05-20 21:11:42	wyre	but I'm pretty sure this happened after their last maintenance task
2024-05-20 21:11:45	siakc	No I don't want SB and it is disabled
2024-05-20 21:11:46	Namarrgon	siakc: Where was your /-fs mounted to then?
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2024-05-20 21:11:51	wyre	and now ... it's cleaning the whole fs
2024-05-20 21:12:07	wyre	because it still hasn't stopped it keeps clearing inodes 😥
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2024-05-20 21:12:37	siakc	First I mounted my partition to /mnt chrooted into it then mounted efi partition to the /mnt inside
2024-05-20 21:12:40	wyre	clearing/fixing 
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2024-05-20 21:12:55	teraflops	wyre: lets see how it goes
2024-05-20 21:12:58	Namarrgon	siakc: Which guide told you to do that?
2024-05-20 21:13:03	j0hannes	My machine just got rebooted and I don't know why. I can't see anything in the journal (for obvious reasons)
2024-05-20 21:13:32	wyre	it's connecting them to lost+found apparently teraflops 😢
2024-05-20 21:14:02	teraflops	j0hannes: journal should show the reboot
2024-05-20 21:14:04	siakc	I should note that before this I had MAnjaro and in my efi/EFI there was a directory named after it
2024-05-20 21:14:26	wyre	I feel like this is mangling the whole fs 😞
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2024-05-20 21:14:53	siakc	Which I removed
2024-05-20 21:15:29	j0hannes	teraflops: -b0 shows the current boot (at 21:06), -b-1 shows regular entries at the end
2024-05-20 21:15:47	teraflops	nothing in -1?
2024-05-20 21:16:05	siakc	Namarrgon: Do what exactly? I followed Arch wiki?
2024-05-20 21:16:40	Namarrgon	siakc: The archwiki tells you to mount the ESP before you run pacstrap, notafter you chroot.
2024-05-20 21:16:58	j0hannes	teraflops: I see "May 20 21:01:15 molly org_kde_powerdevil[1511]: org.kde.powerdevil: Lid action was suppressed because an external monitor is present
2024-05-20 21:17:13	j0hannes	but that shouldn't cause a reboot
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2024-05-20 21:17:19	teraflops	nope
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2024-05-20 21:17:52	teraflops	wyre: how is it going?
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2024-05-20 21:19:06	j0hannes	teraflops: it's mostly kde stuff, the only thing not kde related is the rtkit-daemon
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2024-05-20 21:19:44	teraflops	j0hannes: what where the computer doing when rebooted? pacman?
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2024-05-20 21:20:31	j0hannes	teraflops: watching a clip on linkedin ;)
2024-05-20 21:21:41	siakc	Namarrgon: I can't really see that in the wiki! Which paragraph?
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2024-05-20 21:22:13	Namarrgon	siakc: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide#Mount_the_file_systems
2024-05-20 21:22:14	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-20 21:22:20	Namarrgon	"Create any remaining mount points under /mnt (such as /mnt/boot for /boot) and mount the volumes in their corresponding hierarchical order."
2024-05-20 21:23:55	siakc	Namarrgon: Oh I missed it
2024-05-20 21:24:35	siakc	so lets delete the created files and remove grub and do it this way
2024-05-20 21:24:41	teraflops	siakc: you also have to fix esp, it cannot be /
2024-05-20 21:24:50	teraflops	as Namarrgon pointed out
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2024-05-20 21:26:14	wyre	teraflops, it hasn't finished yet
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2024-05-20 21:26:19	wyre	so ... it doesn't seem good
2024-05-20 21:26:20	teraflops	ouch
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2024-05-20 21:26:26	wyre	I think the whole FS is fucked up .. 
2024-05-20 21:26:29	siakc	I have to delete /boot?
2024-05-20 21:27:00	siakc	Oh what have I done
2024-05-20 21:27:13	siakc	Will delete boot
2024-05-20 21:27:41	Namarrgon	umount the ESP, make sure that /mnt/boot is empty and then mount the ESP there.
2024-05-20 21:29:34	chovy	does anyone know how to install php-mysql_xdevapi on arch?
2024-05-20 21:29:59	siakc	So --efi-directory would be /boot?
2024-05-20 21:30:11	Namarrgon	From inside the chroot, yes.
2024-05-20 21:30:30	Namarrgon	You also don't need --disable-shim-lock.
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2024-05-20 21:33:05	wyre	teraflops, I don't like at all those 29G for /lost+found 😥
2024-05-20 21:33:07	wyre	https://i.imgur.com/fCk6zP4.png
2024-05-20 21:33:11	siakc	Now to my second problem. How can I use os-prober to add Win partition?
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2024-05-20 21:33:25	Namarrgon	siakc: Does arch boot now?
2024-05-20 21:34:00	teraflops	wyre: at least it's there
2024-05-20 21:34:03	siakc	DIdn't test))) ok lets test it
2024-05-20 21:35:17	siakc	Failed: /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/normal.mod was not found
2024-05-20 21:48:10	teraflops	siakc: to me, it looks like you did not mount the esp to /mnt/boot
2024-05-20 21:53:37	ℹ 	irc: disconnected from server
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2024-05-20 21:54:07	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-20 21:54:07	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1460 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1460 regular)
2024-05-20 21:54:03	siakc	(it was updated as other entries were gone.)
2024-05-20 21:54:13	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-05-20 21:54:19	siakc	Namarrgon: My win and Arch usb
2024-05-20 21:54:37	siakc	Just like boot menu
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2024-05-20 21:55:40	teraflops	siakc: which command did you run to install grub?
2024-05-20 21:56:31	Namarrgon	Then boot the archiso again, mount your filesystems, chroot in and reinstall grub and regenerate grub.cfg
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2024-05-20 21:57:11	siakc	grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot --bootloader-id=ARCH
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2024-05-20 21:57:44	teraflops	did you run grub-mkconfig after that?
2024-05-20 21:58:09	siakc	Yes I did. I will run both commands again
2024-05-20 21:58:28	k0valski18891621	did you run efibootmgr to create a uefi boot entry after that ? 
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2024-05-20 21:58:45	teraflops	not necessary afaik
2024-05-20 21:58:57	k0valski18891621	very necessary
2024-05-20 21:59:11	teraflops	i have never did that
2024-05-20 21:59:15	Namarrgon	No, grub-install will already do that for you.
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2024-05-20 21:59:20	k0valski18891621	no it wont
2024-05-20 21:59:26	k0valski18891621	and if it works anyway its luck
2024-05-20 21:59:36	Namarrgon	It does for everyone else, you must be special.
2024-05-20 21:59:41	teraflops	:P
2024-05-20 22:00:38	siakc	I did so. efibootmgr showed a new entry but now that I rebooted, there is not ARCH in boot menu
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2024-05-20 22:01:22	siakc	By I did so I mean installed grub and made its conf
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2024-05-20 22:02:01	siakc	It was like nvram was not persistent
2024-05-20 22:02:12	k0valski18891621	it depends, if you place your efi boot files in a specific way (like /boot/EFI/boot/BOOTx64.efi) the bios can find them and boot them but it is not guarantied if windows is in the mix 
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2024-05-20 22:03:05	Namarrgon	siakc: Are you sure that secureboot is disabled?
2024-05-20 22:03:45	siakc	Theses days I am not sure of anything but today I checked.
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2024-05-20 22:06:20	Namarrgon	Did you create the ESP from scratch or did you reuse an old one?
2024-05-20 22:06:48	siakc	I deleted the directories inside it
2024-05-20 22:07:30	Namarrgon	Boot the archiso, mount all the new filesystems and post the "lsblk -f" output to a paste service.
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2024-05-20 22:13:56	siakc	Is there a way to send its output directly to a paste service?
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2024-05-20 22:14:44	gehidore	!paste
2024-05-20 22:14:45	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-05-20 22:14:56	gehidore	!0x0
2024-05-20 22:14:57	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
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2024-05-20 22:15:06	gehidore	siakc ↑
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2024-05-20 22:20:53	siakc	https://0x0.st/XPYK.out
2024-05-20 22:22:24	Namarrgon	And the 'efibootmgr' output, too.
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2024-05-20 22:23:22	ttoocs	Trying to run cinnamon-session inside of Xephyr, but it says: `Check that logind is properly installed and pam_systemd is getting used at login.` .. Which I'm.. not at all familiar or have any idea to understand what about pam is unhappy or how to continue tracking this down/debugging it?
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2024-05-20 22:24:25	siakc	https://0x0.st/XPYc.out
2024-05-20 22:24:36	gaku	ttoocs: on a default arch install, that should be default/already done
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2024-05-20 22:25:21	siakc	Please note right after I install Grub there is one more entry in efibootmgr output
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2024-05-20 22:29:56	susi	I think there will be unless you specify --no-nvram
2024-05-20 22:30:42	siakc	susi: The problem is that it disapears after a reboot
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2024-05-20 23:42:59	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1451 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1451 regular)
2024-05-20 23:09:20	Namarrgon	siakc: Can you rerun grub-install again and post the new efibootmgr and "lsblk -fo +partuuid" output?
2024-05-20 23:23:10	chovy	http://pastie.org/p/37UMenyDSAHQLVLW7OSLOg
2024-05-20 23:23:12	phrik	Title: Pastie (at pastie.org)
2024-05-20 23:23:16	chovy	php-intl is missing
2024-05-20 23:23:21	chovy	i installed it and enabled it
2024-05-20 23:25:25	heyther25	Hello everyone! I'm trying to find out what drive a specific boot entry is going to use to boot from. "efibootmgr" doesn't seem to support a method to find this out. Are there any alternative possibilities to achieve that?
2024-05-20 23:26:00	Namarrgon	efibootmgr lists the PARTUUID for all entries on the ESP
2024-05-20 23:26:06	Namarrgon	*ESPs
2024-05-20 23:26:52	heyther25	are the PARTUUID's the long numbers that come first in the ()? 
2024-05-20 23:27:17	heyther25	there are several numbers selerated by a comma. Is the PAETUUID the first long number?
2024-05-20 23:27:25	heyther25	separated*
2024-05-20 23:27:48	MacGyver	It's the one that looks like a UUID.
2024-05-20 23:27:58	MacGyver	Those numbers should have different formatting.
2024-05-20 23:28:08	Namarrgon	Boot0000* Windows Boot ManagerHD(2,GPT,2c9ab184-e0e0-4168-822d-3883afcc4673,0xfa000,0x32000)
2024-05-20 23:28:16	Namarrgon	It's the GUID that follows the "GPT" string.
2024-05-20 23:28:16	MacGyver	The PARTUUID is the one that has several dashes in it.
2024-05-20 23:32:37	heyther25	@Namarrgon Thanks for your help!
2024-05-20 23:32:49	heyther25	@MacGyver Thank you as well!:)
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2024-05-21 17:00:06	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1454 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1454 regular)
2024-05-21 10:22:40	manuels	people do not stop telling me that if I use (link against) GPL code in project A, a has to be open source too.
2024-05-21 10:22:43	SysGhost	...but... not knowing the details, I would guess albert launcher was dropped due to the license. Don't take my word for it though as I'm only guessing here.
2024-05-21 10:22:58	BrainDamage	bluetail: the only way is to go through a TU
2024-05-21 10:24:17	BrainDamage	probably because writing a 1-off package leaves it unmaintained for updates
2024-05-21 10:24:20	Khorne	bluetail, you can request whatever you want here or on a mailing list but generally TUs add packages at their own discretion
2024-05-21 10:24:23	Antiz	bluetail: There's no official way to do that. Package maintainers either move packages from the AUR to the official repos (if they are interested in and/or they are popular enough) usually. You can still try to approach a package maintainer and/or eventually look at becoming one yourself if you feel like it :)
2024-05-21 10:24:31	BrainDamage	so by going through a TU, they also accept to keep it maintained
2024-05-21 10:24:51	Khorne	Also, why not add to the AUR?
2024-05-21 10:24:56	Antiz	^ 
2024-05-21 10:25:08	manuels	SysGhost albertlauncher was dropped because there was no proper licensing at all. today every component (core, plugins) has its own license. 
2024-05-21 10:25:26	Antiz	s/either//
2024-05-21 10:25:40	rcf	Because then you have to maintain it yourself, which is less fun than an arch maintainer doing it 
2024-05-21 10:26:07	SysGhost	manuels: I see. I then suspect it would be kind of a nightmare maintaining such a package
2024-05-21 10:26:51	Khorne	rcf, well, shit excuse, !next
2024-05-21 10:29:15	manuels	SysGhost, its actually feasable. id not even make it a hassle. the ALL (albert launcher license) explicitly allows binary distiribution and the rest is mostly MIT or any compatible license. I dont merge any copyright(unlicensed) or copyleft plugins for the sake of distribution.
2024-05-21 10:29:56	manuels	the only thing i am unsure about is the copyleft dependecies. IANAL. 
2024-05-21 10:30:09	SysGhost	manuels: I would imagine that the package maintainer have to check each and every components license every time something is updated. Just to avoid legal trouble. That would be anything but fun
2024-05-21 10:31:02	manuels	yeah thats why I wanted to start a discussion with someone who really is keen on shipping it.
2024-05-21 10:31:07	manuels	just to get this kind of inpu
2024-05-21 10:31:46	manuels	id totally be fine with having several submodules dedicated to licenses
2024-05-21 10:32:39	manuels	e.g. such that there are only MIT plugins in one repo.
2024-05-21 10:34:12	manuels	the ALL plugins could actually be part of the core package (i just split them for separation of concerns)
2024-05-21 10:38:07	jelle	is it in the AUR
2024-05-21 10:38:11	manuels	but actually thats not necessary. there will be no ALL additions. and as said i wont merge anything that would hinder distribution. so basically the repo converges to MIT.
2024-05-21 10:41:29	jelle	ah, so you use a custom license
2024-05-21 10:44:26	manuels	jelle yes, i tried to achieve a source available, free to use and still distributable that is still proprieatory.
2024-05-21 10:44:58	jelle	which links to Qt?
2024-05-21 10:45:05	manuels	it is basically BSD-2 without the right to distribute source modification and binaries derived from that
2024-05-21 10:45:23	manuels	yes
2024-05-21 10:47:07	manuels	but only LGPL modules
2024-05-21 10:48:03	manuels	and ofc exceptions for most of the distros
2024-05-21 10:48:44	BrainDamage	with such weird licensing, I can imagine people wanting to avoid liabilities when packaging
2024-05-21 10:51:25	manuels	imho it's not that weird. its just a propriatory core but you're free to ship it unchanged. 
2024-05-21 10:52:01	wunit	the issue with "unchanged" is where to draw the line e.g. for downstream patching to make things work
2024-05-21 10:52:04	manuels	i.e. unless you upstream your changes you cant distribute your changes.
2024-05-21 10:52:24	manuels	im here to help. get it upstream.
2024-05-21 10:53:28	jelle	there are existing licenses which cover this
2024-05-21 10:53:41	jelle	and if you are afraid of forks (copyright)
2024-05-21 10:56:11	jelle	anyway, you are free to do what you want to do. I don't use albert so don't feel like packaging it in the repos
2024-05-21 10:58:29	SysGhost	I tried albert launcher out. Seems it does not play well with qt6
2024-05-21 10:58:36	wunit	I'd find it quite painful to have to go via upstream everytime I need to change a little thing to integrate a package into a distro, especially for security hotfixes (backporting, etc)
2024-05-21 10:58:51	SysGhost	i.e. the entire plugin tab is incorrectly drawn and thus nothing can be enabled
2024-05-21 10:59:34	astralc	so it is qt rofi?
2024-05-21 11:10:13	manuels	jelle which one?
2024-05-21 11:11:00	manuels	its not that i want to have a custom license. i just didnt know any better
2024-05-21 11:12:01	manuels	SysGhost its a qt6 app. why didnt it play well?
2024-05-21 11:12:28	wunit	ls
2024-05-21 11:12:37	wunit	urgh, sorry, wrong window
2024-05-21 11:12:40	wunit	!ls
2024-05-21 11:12:41	phrik	wunit: ls <an alias on #archlinux, 1 argument>
2024-05-21 11:13:27	bluetail	!ls *
2024-05-21 11:13:28	phrik	drwxrwxr-x 5 * * 51 2024-05-21 09:13 pr0n/
2024-05-21 11:14:26	manuels	security fixes should definitively go upstream. backporting… well I want to keep it recent software.Id even tend to support the latest qt lts only. but yeah most of the systems dont have it an flatpak is not an option
2024-05-21 11:14:45	manuels	its a system tool isolation it does not make sense
2024-05-21 11:15:10	Khorne	manuels, it's not displaying correctly on the plugins tab
2024-05-21 11:17:08	manuels	Khorne yes thats a current issue. currently my wd is enourmously dirty because of the i18n transistion and heavy api changes. i didnt expect it to take that much time. this issue should rather be a quick fix. 
2024-05-21 11:17:10	wunit	manuels: I agree everything should eventually end up upstream, but the way there is usually a little less straightforward---also some downstream changes probably don't make sense upstream (see e.g. the debian/ directory required for .deb packaging)
2024-05-21 11:17:28	hx030	!ls pr0n
2024-05-21 11:17:28	phrik	drwxrwxr-x 5 pr0n pr0n 51 2024-05-21 09:17 pr0n/
2024-05-21 11:17:31	hx030	!ls pr0n/*
2024-05-21 11:17:32	phrik	drwxrwxr-x 5 pr0n/* pr0n/* 51 2024-05-21 09:17 pr0n/
2024-05-21 11:17:39	hx030	lol wut
2024-05-21 11:17:43	wunit	and non-rolling-release distros will stick to one release and then backport bugfixes, that's just the way distro packaging works
2024-05-21 11:19:16	manuels	wunit the deb triplets are in the upstream package since almost the beginnig. 
2024-05-21 11:20:47	manuels	wunit the project has a 10y history. one blatant aspect of distribution is the lacking manpower. backporting and such is nice. the reality is nobody does it for a project of this size.
2024-05-21 11:22:41	manuels	especially given the complexity in distribution. its a launcher. not a nice selfcontained app. thats also the root cause for the problems shipping it using flatpak. it interfaces a lot of things. and it must stay open to any addiditons for future plugin use cases.
2024-05-21 11:23:05	wunit	manuels: I don't see any Debian packaging info in GitHub sources, but I may be looking at the wrong place then
2024-05-21 11:23:59	manuels	it is shipped using open build service. nobody wants aged software.
2024-05-21 11:24:14	manuels	https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:manuelschneid3r/albert
2024-05-21 11:24:15	phrik	Title: Show home:manuelschneid3r / albert - openSUSE Build Service (at build.opensuse.org)
2024-05-21 11:26:07	manuels	i wouldnt care that much about getting it into the community repo if i would get tons of user complaints about delivery. OBS is not a silver bullet and arch is not supported well at all there. (rebuilds of the same package due to dependency changes are not repackaged).
2024-05-21 11:26:24	manuels	sure thats an issue with OBS, but they are not interested in fixing that.
2024-05-21 11:28:04	wunit	ok... the way I see it, you actually don't want downstream to package your application, but because OBS/Pacman doesn't work well, there is this discussion?
2024-05-21 11:28:41	manuels	I do want downstream to package it. 
2024-05-21 11:28:51	manuels	but not like debian jessy
2024-05-21 11:29:20	wunit	yeah, well, all those distro projects have their own ideas about distributing software :-)
2024-05-21 11:29:21	manuels	arch is a rolling release and i am perfectly fine with it to ship albert because i know it will be the most recent version. 
2024-05-21 11:29:30	aesdef	Hello, using a thinkpad t14 gen 1, on a recent update, bluetooth stopped working within KDE. On further investigation, bluetooth.service is running. rmmod btusb followed by modprobe btusb and dmesg reveals: [  749.763181] bluetooth hci0: Direct firmware load for mediatek/BT_RAM_CODE_MT7961_1a_2_hdr.bin failed with error -2
2024-05-21 11:30:01	manuels	wunit if you are a software developer you will gain insights that change your mind
2024-05-21 11:30:24	manuels	there will be bug reports about 4 yo issues.
2024-05-21 11:30:37	wunit	manuels: I would refer those users to their distro channels
2024-05-21 11:30:53	manuels	there will be weird ppa that have not been updated for years, somebody will use it 
2024-05-21 11:31:03	manuels	and the reports will always end on my side
2024-05-21 11:32:38	wunit	I would close those reports pointing out that they should use a supported package -- but I admit that if this happens very frequently, I can see how that can be painful in the long run :-/
2024-05-21 11:32:44	manuels	so yes, since i am the one that has to deal with the consequences i am somehow interested in having control over the distribution.
2024-05-21 11:33:24	manuels	wuint, it is. some users dont even know that they are not using alfred (the macos one)
2024-05-21 11:34:18	wunit	how come they both have the same name but are not the same project, though?
2024-05-21 11:34:30	manuels	you see the point? :D
2024-05-21 11:34:39	manuels	its Albert not Alfred :D
2024-05-21 11:35:01	wunit	aaaargh, lol, yeah, you got me ^^
2024-05-21 11:36:01	manuels	but not to much contol. the only thing I want is: Users use recent software and my shortcomings are the cause of the problems they experience, such that i can fix it.
2024-05-21 11:36:22	manuels	I am not interested in playing mediator for whatever downstream nonsense.
2024-05-21 11:38:09	manuels	Thats why i see no problem in shipping it officially on arch. the distro is perfectly suited for it. and if we do so users have less problems and i have less problems.
2024-05-21 11:38:49	manuels	distributions (and giving support for receiving it) is like 80% of my efforts.
2024-05-21 11:39:01	manuels	I strive to reduce this fraction
2024-05-21 11:39:28	manuels	because I want to use my time to actually improve the app
2024-05-21 11:41:52	wunit	I still think you could reduce the amount of distro support if you handed over packaging to downstream, but I don't have any hard data to back that up, so ¯\(°_o)/¯
2024-05-21 11:43:15	manuels	that why i started this discussion :D
2024-05-21 11:43:39	manuels	since arch is perfectly suited to ship up to date software
2024-05-21 11:43:41	wunit	I mean, in general :-)
2024-05-21 11:44:32	wunit	at least in the context of LTS distros like Debian, where you will sometimes have to deal with libraries that are 4 years old---that's the kind of pain I'd want to leave to downstream
2024-05-21 11:45:30	manuels	in general nobody will ever backport fixes. the api is way to unstable. not that I want it like that. but experience shows theres always an addition (recently i18n) that enforces a lot of refactoring.
2024-05-21 11:46:16	manuels	if somebody has that level of experience i'd rather like to see him joining me upstream.
2024-05-21 11:57:08	felixonmars	hi, two points that i would like to provide: 1) the questions in https://github.com/albertlauncher/albert/issues/1343 is still relevant, and 2) i am generally more interested in packaging FOSS software unless there is a _very_ strong reason.
2024-05-21 12:00:59	wunit	also some of the issue history is gone...? the gentoo issue references a discussion that no longer exists
2024-05-21 12:08:08	tirnanog	wunit: which link are you referring to?
2024-05-21 12:08:48	tirnanog	treecleaner actions should always be in bugzilla, as a general rule e.g. https://bugs.gentoo.org/766129
2024-05-21 12:08:54	phrik	Title: 766129 – x11-misc/albert no longer licensed under GPL (at bugs.gentoo.org)
2024-05-21 12:09:18	tirnanog	oh, never mind. I think I see what you mean now.
2024-05-21 12:09:33	felixonmars	https://web.archive.org/web/20210225183856/https://github.com/albertlauncher/albert/issues/765 i guess he means this one
2024-05-21 12:09:35	phrik	Title: Please specify license · Issue #765 · albertlauncher/albert · GitHub (at web.archive.org)
2024-05-21 12:09:58	tirnanog	yeah.
2024-05-21 12:10:04	tirnanog	i just realised!
2024-05-21 12:30:51	enoq	looks like you broke node /s https://github.com/nodejs/docker-node/issues/1912#issuecomment-2121246625
2024-05-21 12:31:17	enoq	kernel 6.9.1 probably has an event loop bug?
2024-05-21 12:31:32	felixonmars	https://bugs.gentoo.org/931942 yeah probably
2024-05-21 12:31:37	phrik	Title: 931942 – sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-6.9.0 breaks sys-apps/yarn (at bugs.gentoo.org)
2024-05-21 12:31:49	felixonmars	it's also present in 6.9.0
2024-05-21 12:32:17	enoq	yeah, only yarn affected npm works fine
2024-05-21 12:44:56	SysGhost	!bugs
2024-05-21 12:44:57	phrik	Bugs?! Arch Linux has no bugs! Oh.. wait.. https://bugs.archlinux.org
2024-05-21 12:48:08	glitsj16	that URL might need updating in phrik now it's moved to gitlab
2024-05-21 12:53:00	heythere221	Hello I'm trying to copy 300gb from an internal drive to an external one. I wanted to use rsync for this but it gives me a bunch of errors like: rsync: failed to set permissions operation not permitted. 
2024-05-21 12:53:36	heythere221	I'm using the rsync -av option. I'm copying from an ext4 to an exFAT drive. I guess exFAT doesn't support some stuff ext4 does. 
2024-05-21 12:53:53	heythere221	Question is how can I ensure that every binary file has been copied appropriately?
2024-05-21 12:53:53	astralc	also, the link to gitlab can be https://gitlab.archlinux.org/groups/archlinux/packaging/packages/-/issues
2024-05-21 12:53:55	phrik	Title: Issues · Packages · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-21 12:54:21	heythere221	using cp -R gives me errors with symlinks. 
2024-05-21 12:54:41	astralc	exfat doesn't support lot of things
2024-05-21 12:54:45	heythere221	Guess exFAT doesn't support symlinks but that's okay. 
2024-05-21 12:54:56	heythere221	I just want to ensure that every binary file has been copied appropriately. 
2024-05-21 12:56:07	heythere221	@astralc Yeah that's what I realized. 
2024-05-21 12:56:14	astralc	small google search shows lot of "problem/solution with rsync to exfat"
2024-05-21 13:00:11	heythere221	@astralc Yeah sry I haven't worded my question correctly. I don't really care about persevering permissions etc. I just want to ensure every binary file has been copied "correctly" how do I do that? 
2024-05-21 13:00:22	heythere221	Doesn't matter if exfat or anything else. 
2024-05-21 13:03:52	astralc	is rsync/cp do that anyway? I don't remember it have text/binary mode setting
2024-05-21 13:05:13	heythere221	I have no clue. I just get errors about symlinks/ group permissions etc. But all I care is just copy the file. 
2024-05-21 13:05:31	astralc	can you try the `cp -RL`? - L is "always follow symbolic links in SOURCE"
2024-05-21 13:06:47	tirnanog	heythere221: here are two notable things that you cannot do 1) preserve file modes (such as the executable bit) 2) preserve symlinks.
2024-05-21 13:06:52	heythere221	Does exFAT preserve picture metadata?
2024-05-21 13:07:20	astralc	picture metadata (exif?) is part of the file
2024-05-21 13:07:38	heythere221	@astralc All right thx.
2024-05-21 13:08:27	heythere221	@tirnanog Yeah I really don't care about those at all. I just want to copy the all pictures on my drive, restore my system then copy those back. 
2024-05-21 13:08:41	heythere221	And I only have an exFAT drive 
2024-05-21 13:09:01	tirnanog	ok. for pictures, there should be no concerns unless you are using symlinks.
2024-05-21 13:09:20	tirnanog	those cannot be preserved. if that bothers you, why not just create a tarball.
2024-05-21 13:09:57	heythere221	tirnanog: is there a tutorial for that?
2024-05-21 13:11:02	tirnanog	e.g. tar -C ~/my/photos -cvf /mount/point/of/backup/photos.tar .
2024-05-21 13:11:07	heythere221	tar --preserve-permissions --preserve-order -jc /path/to/your/folder > /path/to/your/backup_file.tar.bz2
2024-05-21 13:11:10	heythere221	that?
2024-05-21 13:11:34	tirnanog	permissions are preserved anyway. wouldn't bother using (expensive) bzip2 for (already compressed) photos.
2024-05-21 13:11:53	tirnanog	if you can stat the files to begin with, you are privy to the file modes, and tar will incorporate them.
2024-05-21 13:12:23	heythere221	All right thanks!:)
2024-05-21 13:12:38	tirnanog	not that there was anything wrong it. just a bit over-laboured :)
2024-05-21 13:13:01	heythere221	Yeah I get it. 
2024-05-21 13:13:13	tirnanog	the . at the end is also important. that means to include the current working directory in the archive (which is the directory one is in after -C takes effect).
2024-05-21 13:13:38	heythere221	Ah I was trying to copy my whole home directory to the drive (it mostly contains pictures) but probably in all this hidden folders there are symlinks I don't need. 
2024-05-21 13:14:20	heythere221	Okay I see. I'll put a . at the end. 
2024-05-21 13:14:24	tirnanog	ok. well, symlinks won't add much overhead to a tar archive unless there's a staggering number of them.
2024-05-21 13:20:24	wunit	tirnanog: sorry, yes that link, thanks!
2024-05-21 13:20:38	wunit	(the GH issue 765)
2024-05-21 13:21:31	tirnanog	wunit: I should be the one apologising. didn't reaad it properly at first :D
2024-05-21 14:36:33	stewi	!paste
2024-05-21 14:36:34	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-05-21 14:36:52	phonemic	I am trying to screen record with OBS on KDE Plasma (Wayland). I can see the window content, but "Share" button is greyed out. I read the wiki page on OBS, but no luck.
2024-05-21 14:37:11	phonemic	I'm sure this is a common question
2024-05-21 14:39:39	astralc	phonemic: what kind of source do you use?
2024-05-21 14:40:03	astralc	(also, share? I don't remember OBS have share button)
2024-05-21 14:40:10	BrainDamage	does it work with a browser? eg if you click screen capture here https://mozilla.github.io/webrtc-landing/gum_test.html
2024-05-21 14:40:12	phrik	Title: gUM Test Page (at mozilla.github.io)
2024-05-21 14:40:24	phonemic	Window Capture. The KDE Portal screen pops up but I cannot click share.
2024-05-21 14:40:36	jelle	astralc: it supports portals 
2024-05-21 14:40:45	phonemic	BrainDamage: I tried that and same issue so it's something with the KDE Portal
2024-05-21 14:40:52	astralc	jelle: yes, with pipewire window source
2024-05-21 14:40:54	jelle	astralc: when I start OBS => I get a share dialog
2024-05-21 14:41:30	astralc	maybe it is new, I will check when I be near it
2024-05-21 14:43:15	jelle	yeah screen and window capture go through pipewire
2024-05-21 14:44:00	astralc	https://ideas.obsproject.com/posts/2318/do-not-open-screen-sharing-portals-on-startup > "In Linux (Wayland) if you have a Window Capture or Screen Capture source which is not configured to automatically restore in future sessions (or, for example, if the window capture source portal was previously chosen for a window that has now been closed) a
2024-05-21 14:44:00	astralc	Screen Sharing Portal dialog is automatically opened for each of the sources immediately when OBS is started."
2024-05-21 14:44:05	phrik	Title: Do not open screen sharing portals on startup · OBS Studio Ideas and Suggestions (at ideas.obsproject.com)
2024-05-21 14:44:15	astralc	this is why I didn't see it
2024-05-21 14:44:29	astralc	I already had window source
2024-05-21 14:47:04	phonemic	Sorry, if I missed the answer, but is this is known bug that the KDE Portal won't allow users to click "Share"?
2024-05-21 14:53:32	astralc	phonemic: what happen if you cancel and add the screen share source manually?
2024-05-21 14:53:54	phonemic	astralc: Describe adding manually?
2024-05-21 14:55:12	phonemic	The issue with WebRTC / KDE Portals is I get the popup, i can see the windows / screens, but I cannot click "Share"
2024-05-21 14:56:41	phonemic	The button is grey
2024-05-21 14:59:22	Khorne	 Not an issue here for me
2024-05-21 14:59:42	phonemic	Weird
2024-05-21 14:59:49	phonemic	How do I troubleshoot this?
2024-05-21 14:59:55	Khorne	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2024-05-21 15:07:16	phonemic	Khorne: What versions of plasma and frameworks are you on?
2024-05-21 15:08:20	phonemic	Portals works in nothing for me, web, obs, zoom. 
2024-05-21 15:14:32	Khorne	Which packages are you specifically interested in?
2024-05-21 15:15:43	gdamjan	phonemic: `journalctl -f --user` while opening the share thing
2024-05-21 15:18:05	phonemic	gdamjan: No errors there
2024-05-21 15:18:37	phonemic	gdamjan: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/jaredmo/b383be75ac1c831eb0c24c743db8c4f9/raw/87adafcd1a15afb94399e0385a16ed6bc1ba46bd/gistfile1.txt
2024-05-21 15:19:01	phonemic	The window launches but "Shared" is grey
2024-05-21 15:19:11	phonemic	*Share
2024-05-21 15:19:16	Khorne	phonemic, everything is 6.0.4
2024-05-21 15:19:22	Khorne	And I tried it just now in Teams in Edge
2024-05-21 15:22:14	phonemic	If I check and uncheck different windows at random eventually one of them works, then i can cycle back to the one I want to share. This is def a KDE bug...lol
2024-05-21 15:22:43	gdamjan	phonemic: record it with a phone
2024-05-21 15:39:40	kurtosis	phonemic:  lots of smart folks on #kde, perhaps someone has seen similar?
2024-05-21 15:57:45	citizen	ok so had power go out on me, then when i turned on my machine im stuck at initial ramdisk and nothig will load, edited the grub boot and removed quiet, but ot getting any out put of the problem. 
2024-05-21 15:58:44	BrainDamage	if you use /bin/sh as init, do you get a prompt?
2024-05-21 15:59:02	citizen	i can f2 and get the grub prompt
2024-05-21 15:59:28	citizen	but would habve to research what you mean as far as /bin/sh apology not that advanced
2024-05-21 15:59:42	Khorne	Set the kernel parameter init=/bin/sh
2024-05-21 15:59:43	BrainDamage	enter the grub prompt, and edit the kernel arguments
2024-05-21 16:00:21	citizen	u want me to getinto grub prompt and enter the following command init=/bin/sh
2024-05-21 16:00:52	Khorne	No
2024-05-21 16:00:58	Khorne	that's not what we suggested.
2024-05-21 16:01:17	Khorne	We suggested editing the grub boot entry for your arch installation to add the kernel parameter init=/bin/sh to it.
2024-05-21 16:02:52	citizen	i edited the brub boot and added init=/bin/sh to the last line and hit ctrl-x still stuck
2024-05-21 16:03:46	BrainDamage	take a picture with your phone because it's unclear what you did
2024-05-21 16:04:02	citizen	one sec
2024-05-21 16:13:57	citizen	https://imgur.com/a/3qPLDow
2024-05-21 16:13:57	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2024-05-21 16:14:10	citizen	i placed the comman at the end of the file
2024-05-21 16:14:23	BrainDamage	you put it in the wrong place
2024-05-21 16:14:32	citizen	ok, where do i place it?
2024-05-21 16:14:44	BrainDamage	it has to be in the same line as linux
2024-05-21 16:14:59	citizen	i tried that too, let me try that again
2024-05-21 16:15:03	BrainDamage	also, delete the quiet in that very same line
2024-05-21 16:15:29	BrainDamage	also, your hd is encrypted, that's going to be an extra headache
2024-05-21 16:16:10	citizen	ok give me a sec
2024-05-21 16:17:44	citizen	uhm computer shuts down when i try to run that
2024-05-21 16:18:23	citizen	maybe its heated up, let it cool for a moment
2024-05-21 16:22:02	citizen	getin no out put but the same - stuck at loading ramdisk
2024-05-21 16:23:16	citizen	sounds like the fan is overworking too
2024-05-21 16:23:31	BrainDamage	the fan overworking is normal
2024-05-21 16:23:35	citizen	k
2024-05-21 16:23:59	BrainDamage	there's no real control until the kernel is fully booted, and the most conservative option is the fan fully on and the clock at min
2024-05-21 16:24:44	citizen	ok so you are saying to just hold here for a moment, that the kernel may be trying to load?
2024-05-21 16:25:21	BrainDamage	no, I am saying that the fan blowing is not an indicative of overheating
2024-05-21 16:25:27	citizen	k
2024-05-21 16:25:35	citizen	no output yet
2024-05-21 16:25:37	Khorne	Is there even a full kernel to load..
2024-05-21 16:25:41	citizen	idk
2024-05-21 16:25:46	Khorne	Boot a live usb stick and check
2024-05-21 16:26:16	citizen	you want me to mnt the drive and check?
2024-05-21 16:26:32	BrainDamage	yes, that'd be a good idea
2024-05-21 16:26:34	citizen	apology still learning here
2024-05-21 16:26:53	BrainDamage	run pacman -Qk or even pacman -Qkk on the mounted drive
2024-05-21 16:26:58	citizen	ok
2024-05-21 16:27:34	BrainDamage	the first will only check if the files exist, the latter will also check if the files are not corrupted
2024-05-21 16:27:34	citizen	this will take a few to do. will be back with results, have to work now and ty all for the help
2024-05-21 16:28:06	citizen	Note: mnt drive and run pacman -Qk or even pacman -Qkk on the mounted drive
2024-05-21 16:29:15	Khorne	Not the drive, all partitions on the drive
2024-05-21 16:29:25	citizen	Not the drive, all partitions on the drive
2024-05-21 16:29:28	citizen	k
2024-05-21 16:32:00	tirnanog	kode54: fyi, this is the offending commit, vis-a-vis the io_uring issue: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/commit/?id=af5d68f
2024-05-21 16:32:01	phrik	Title: io_uring/sqpoll: manage task_work privately - kernel/git/stable/linux.git - Linux kernel stable tree (at git.kernel.org)
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2024-05-21 21:07:41	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1475 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1475 regular)
2024-05-21 21:02:53	matheusmoreira	I assume it went to sleep somehow... this is going to be problematic. anyone know how to turn off the sleep timout?
2024-05-21 21:03:38	kode54	tirnanog: prior to that commit, if you suspend two instances of nvim on the machine, it will hang the machine
2024-05-21 21:04:05	demonicm1niac1	Earnestly: h266 is a thing
2024-05-21 21:04:25	demonicm1niac1	you have h264 for legacy and vp9 for semi legacy and av1/h266 for modern
2024-05-21 21:04:40	Earnestly	demonicm1niac1: Yeah but is 266 royalty free and such?
2024-05-21 21:04:54	demonicm1niac1	ofc not
2024-05-21 21:05:09	drocan	firefox search/address bar started rendering halfway above the screen, couldn't find anything relevant on the usual places, any ideas?
2024-05-21 21:05:10	demonicm1niac1	i just mean h265 is pointless as h266 already exists
2024-05-21 21:05:22	espresso	matheusmoreira: I use hdparm in a UDEV rule to change some parameters
2024-05-21 21:05:40	demonicm1niac1	they'll keep x264 for legacy and once that's shut down there's vp9
2024-05-21 21:05:43	Earnestly	demonicm1niac1: The problem isn't existing but support in the wild. Much of the reason h264 persists is because everything supports it
2024-05-21 21:05:47	demonicm1niac1	and then there's h266/av1
2024-05-21 21:05:58	demonicm1niac1	Earnestly: definitely
2024-05-21 21:06:05	espresso	matheusmoreira: to wit, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Hdparm#Persistent_configuration_using_udev_rule
2024-05-21 21:06:06	phrik	Title: hdparm - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-21 21:06:14	matheusmoreira	espresso: can you show me that rule please
2024-05-21 21:06:20	Earnestly	And for the same reason, vp9 might as well not exist either
2024-05-21 21:06:30	matheusmoreira	espresso: oh thank you, I was looking at the ssd and power management wiki pages
2024-05-21 21:06:48	espresso	matheusmoreira: you were very close!
2024-05-21 21:06:59	matheusmoreira	yeah!
2024-05-21 21:07:15	Earnestly	demonicm1niac1: So unless there are issues around av1 pulling shenanigans or there being concerns about patents and such, seems a no-brainer to use that over whatever mpegla cough up
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2024-05-21 21:09:22	demonicm1niac1	Earnestly: thing is mpegla waived fees for "free" streaming sites using h264 a long time ago
2024-05-21 21:09:26	jdarnley	Video standard groups have a problem: h264 is just "good enough" so it will remain around like jpeg or mp3 despite newer technically better formats
2024-05-21 21:09:31	demonicm1niac1	that's why it's still used and around and will stay around
2024-05-21 21:09:54	demonicm1niac1	h265 was never "free" in any way shape or form and some companies left the mpegla so you need to license from 3 different consortiums
2024-05-21 21:10:03	matheusmoreira	espresso: do you use continuous discard? 
2024-05-21 21:10:08	Earnestly	demonicm1niac1: I think they'll stay around because there's so much hardware support for it, even if there were still fees
2024-05-21 21:10:13	demonicm1niac1	that's why it will never be used anymore forward when vp9 and h264 are around
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2024-05-21 21:10:53	demonicm1niac1	the small group of hw supporting h265 but not vp9 is so small that's there no point for any platform to move to it and retire h264
2024-05-21 21:11:18	Earnestly	Yes
2024-05-21 21:11:46	Earnestly	Rent seeking not paying off is a bit ironic
2024-05-21 21:12:13	espresso	matheusmoreira: I just use 'ssd'
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2024-05-21 21:12:54	tirnanog	kode54: io-uring appears to be the gift that keeps on giving, so to speak :(
2024-05-21 21:13:06	demonicm1niac1	supposedly h266/vve vs av1 is like h265 vs vp9
2024-05-21 21:13:25	demonicm1niac1	some bitrate savings but whether that's worth the hassle who knows depends on licensing cost and hw
2024-05-21 21:15:39	demonicm1niac1	if vve can provide 15% bitrate savings at the same quality over av1 for say 8k120fps video then that might be reason enough for say game streaming platforms or what not
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2024-05-21 21:26:22	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1474 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1474 regular)
2024-05-21 21:16:26	bonob	Dumb (because imprecise) question, I'm having lag on my terminals since last reboot or so, a few days. Nothing terrible, but something's wrong, and I have no idea how to attempt troubleshooting. Happens across terminals and users on this machine.
2024-05-21 21:19:01	espresso	matheusmoreira: I'm not even sure where I got my 'ssd' for / in fstab; maybe should just use defaults. But as for udev, I was using a rule to quiet APM on some SDs I got.
2024-05-21 21:21:36	matheusmoreira	espresso: do you know if these power management values are documented anywhere on the web? I don't want there to be any risk of screwing up the drive.
2024-05-21 21:22:15	matheusmoreira	just before this I was ddrescue-ing a failing seagate SMR HDD and tried to turn it off with hdparm -Y, and it didn't quite work
2024-05-21 21:23:40	espresso	matheusmoreira: ACTION=="add|change", KERNEL=="sd[a-z]", ATTRS{queue/rotational}=="1", RUN+="/usr/bin/hdparm -M 0 -S 60 -B 254 /dev/%k"  # M, S, B are just values explained in docs
2024-05-21 21:23:59	citizen	earlier i was here over a machine power outage and failed loading. so i was told to mnt and run Qkk, I did and lots of errors and permission problems
2024-05-21 21:24:02	citizen	https://privatebin.at/?9e3dc1e9abdff532#12WHDc2jrydwc5sMuGEEyuB6pKXfcDcFCG935f5XSgsk
2024-05-21 21:24:04	phrik	Title: PrivateBin (at privatebin.at)
2024-05-21 21:24:20	matheusmoreira	espresso: sure, it's just they seem to vary from drive to drive.
2024-05-21 21:24:22	citizen	i read i should reinstall base?
2024-05-21 21:24:37	matheusmoreira	I wonder if there's some kind of cmd I can use to query device capabilities?
2024-05-21 21:24:53	demonicm1niac1	bonob: all vte based terminals or not? defaulting to wayland vs xorg for de or w/e since upgrade? what was in the upgrade before the reboot?
2024-05-21 21:25:11	Namarrgon	citizen: Did you filter this list?
2024-05-21 21:25:13	matheusmoreira	I remember the SSD page talked about querying TRIM support for USB SSDs via some SCSI tools
2024-05-21 21:25:23	demonicm1niac1	bonob: if they are all vte based i'd try a non vte terminal. if that is also affected i'd try a simple window manager if you use a DE
2024-05-21 21:25:30	Namarrgon	citizen: Reinstalling base does almost nothing as it is a meta-package.
2024-05-21 21:25:31	demonicm1niac1	to find the culprit
2024-05-21 21:25:32	bonob	but there's next to no officially supported doc on power management by vendors, Seagate included. Just tread lightly, matheusmoreira 
2024-05-21 21:26:01	citizen	no i was told to run pacman Qk and then Okk
2024-05-21 21:26:14	citizen	how to filter for just list of errors?
2024-05-21 21:26:26	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-05-21 21:26:27	Namarrgon	citizen: Post the entire output, including stderr.
2024-05-21 21:26:35	espresso	matheusmoreira: hdparm seems to have a lot of query commands. Some settings are likely to work across drives, but yeah, others may be more mfg-dependent
2024-05-21 21:26:40	matheusmoreira	yeah found it, sg_readcap, sg_vpd
2024-05-21 21:26:47	another|	demonicm1niac1: vvc has a way worse ecosystem compared to av1
2024-05-21 21:26:57	matheusmoreira	let me see if I can figure this stuff out
2024-05-21 21:27:22	matheusmoreira	then I can configure my drive by UUID with confidence that everything is fully supported
2024-05-21 21:27:28	citizen	k 1 sec
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2024-05-21 21:27:31	tirnanog	kode54: here's the fix. https://lore.kernel.org/regressions/313824bc-799d-414f-96b7-e6de57c7e21d@gmail.com/T/#mf8e69bea13c9926e5fd49486bcbd6d8706c8d255
2024-05-21 21:27:33	phrik	Title: [REGRESSION] ETXTBSY when running Yarn (Node) since af5d68f (at lore.kernel.org)
2024-05-21 21:27:36	demonicm1niac1	matheusmoreira: espresso: whether usb hdds support hdparm/sdparm queries or not depends on whether it uses uasp or not and then whether the usb to sata controller supports smart stuff or not
2024-05-21 21:27:37	matheusmoreira	will return with feedback
2024-05-21 21:27:59	espresso	demonicm1niac1: Ah I see, interesting
2024-05-21 21:28:08	matheusmoreira	demonicm1niac1: yes. seems to be a very manufacturer/firmware dependent thing, so I'm not making any assumptions
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2024-05-21 21:28:29	demonicm1niac1	as for respecting -B hdparm settings - sadly also not universal, hdparm itself says as much
2024-05-21 21:28:50	demonicm1niac1	that is the amount of time to wait before spinning down on -B how the disk interprets it
2024-05-21 21:28:54	citizen	Namarrgon: https://privatebin.at/?880f3616b47a84d1#47VEyjkfyFkMDMoDH4HLWb8agZEoN5UA9jtWdLShsuC5
2024-05-21 21:28:55	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XPkC.txt
2024-05-21 21:28:56	phrik	Title: PrivateBin (at privatebin.at)
2024-05-21 21:29:06	matheusmoreira	indeed. I want the 255 value, completely off. not sll support it but most do, according to man
2024-05-21 21:29:08	demonicm1niac1	WD had their own tool for the green hdds to prevent them from spinning down every 5s since they just ignored the -B time values
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2024-05-21 21:30:00	demonicm1niac1	another|: honestly no idea but seems so yeah. i've seen a few rockchip socs with h266 hw decoder but aside from that not really anything or hw encoders
2024-05-21 21:30:16	gromit	tirnanog, kode54: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/linux/-/issues/55#note_186949 might also be interesting 
2024-05-21 21:30:17	phrik	Title: Kernel upgrade breaks yarn (#55) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / linux · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-21 21:30:20	Namarrgon	citizen: Some things need cleaning up but nothing that would cause it to get stuck during boot.
2024-05-21 21:30:27	Namarrgon	citizen: Have you tried to rebuild the initramfs images?
2024-05-21 21:30:32	demonicm1niac1	another|: just saying there might be cases where bandwidth reduction might warrant shilling out for it if it is indeed that much better than av1
2024-05-21 21:30:35	bonob	demonicm1niac1: I'm on Xorg, with bare openbox. The terminals that exhibit the lag are urxvt and alacritty. I'm just checking with kitty, and it seems indemn so far. I'm not sure which are VTEs or not.
2024-05-21 21:30:38	another|	demonicm1niac1: IIRC qualcomm has some chips as well
2024-05-21 21:30:44	tirnanog	gromit: thanks.
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2024-05-21 21:31:10	Namarrgon	I got fed up with the io_uring nonsense and just disabled it everywhere.
2024-05-21 21:31:12	demonicm1niac1	bonob: none of them are vte :) so that rules out some vte issue
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2024-05-21 21:31:21	demonicm1niac1	and some xwayland issue
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2024-05-21 21:31:40	citizen	Namarrgon: i will rebuild the initramfs
2024-05-21 21:31:41	demonicm1niac1	alacritty is directly using gles too
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2024-05-21 21:31:58	gromit	Namarrgon: no bugs -> no fun x) 
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2024-05-21 21:32:21	demonicm1niac1	bonob: is it input lag as in characters appearing x seconds after you typed or drawing lag as in scrolling slow etc
2024-05-21 21:32:22	Namarrgon	gromit: I generally agree but this this causes the unfun kind of bugs.
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2024-05-21 21:32:41	gromit	Didn't someone here say that IO_URING is the DNS equivalent of kernel bugs? :p
2024-05-21 21:33:06	MacGyver	Is it IO_URING? No? Check again until it turns out to be IO_URING.
2024-05-21 21:33:07	gehidore	if someoen didn't I can say it for you
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2024-05-21 21:33:23	bonob	demonicm1niac1: input lag, it feels like my keyboard is broken, except I know it's not..
2024-05-21 21:33:42	Namarrgon	gromit: It can't be as notorious as dns yet, we haven't built up a factoid collection.
2024-05-21 21:34:21	demonicm1niac1	bonob: is it some unify/lightspeed/bla keyboard?
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2024-05-21 23:58:58	phrik	MacGyver: 👍
2024-05-22 00:00:19	predicament	nice
2024-05-22 00:00:22	predicament	thank you
2024-05-22 00:00:31	predicament	i just needed the right version
2024-05-22 00:00:36	predicament	... why was it saying the wrong version
2024-05-22 00:00:44	predicament	im not sure i understand why
2024-05-22 00:00:57	predicament	not saying---giving
2024-05-22 00:01:24	predicament	i had to quickly sha512sum the file it downloaded
2024-05-22 00:01:31	predicament	but that's easy.
2024-05-22 00:05:15	astralc	you need pkgver and _subver to match the actual file name on the server. you just changed the pkgver before
2024-05-22 00:05:38	predicament	i got it
2024-05-22 00:05:49	cloudowind	goodays arch people
2024-05-22 00:05:57	predicament	i've had it since i said that eralier
2024-05-22 00:05:58	predicament	:P
2024-05-22 00:07:24	MacGyver	predicament: Zoom's handling of this is really weird.
2024-05-22 00:07:37	MacGyver	predicament: Like, why would you start 403'ing an old download.
2024-05-22 00:07:41	predicament	^ Agreed
2024-05-22 00:07:56	MacGyver	predicament: I kinda get it -- you don't want people to be running outdated, possibly incompatible versions.
2024-05-22 00:08:06	predicament	my dad needs it
2024-05-22 00:08:14	predicament	he asked me to come over
2024-05-22 00:08:18	MacGyver	predicament: But if I were to implement it I would make it a redirect to the newest version.
2024-05-22 00:08:26	predicament	yeah
2024-05-22 00:08:38	predicament	i didnt realize the latest version, unfortunately
2024-05-22 00:08:51	MacGyver	Not exactly desirable either, but probably a better way to achieve the same goal.
2024-05-22 00:09:03	predicament	agreed once again
2024-05-22 00:10:39	astralc	MacGyver: the 403 thing can be because the are internal, not world accessible versions?
2024-05-22 00:11:28	astralc	"you can't know there is nothing there"
2024-05-22 00:14:43	MacGyver	astralc: Looks to me more like they simply 403 their old versions.
2024-05-22 00:15:34	MacGyver	4680 is the old one in the out-of-date-flagged PKGBUILD.
2024-05-22 00:18:03	citizen	did not work Namarrgon. gonna reboot and re mount
2024-05-22 00:18:06	astralc	I assume there is something like 6.0.10.5324 build, but it is not released RC version,
2024-05-22 00:18:20	astralc	subver look like "build version"
2024-05-22 00:18:37	MacGyver	astralc: Sure, maybe, but surely the one *in the AUR PKGBUILD* used to work.
2024-05-22 00:18:49	MacGyver	astralc: At least *those* versions, you could redirect to the newest public.
2024-05-22 00:18:58	astralc	maybe it still working
2024-05-22 00:20:17	MacGyver	Oh, hmm, and then you'd want to selectively redirect based on login cookie or somesuch.
2024-05-22 00:20:22	MacGyver	I guess that's harder.
2024-05-22 00:22:39	Ashark	jelle Hi. Was you a maintainer of python-chai package?
2024-05-22 00:24:55	Ashark	@flyin1501 Can you shine on this probably?
2024-05-22 00:26:27	gromit	Ashark: they are not here
2024-05-22 00:27:03	Ashark	gromit Thanks
2024-05-22 00:40:14	predicament	hey astralc
2024-05-22 00:40:31	predicament	oh
2024-05-22 00:41:57	predicament	<astralc> I assume there is something like 6.0.10.5324 build, but it is not released RC version, 6.0.5325
2024-05-22 00:42:23	predicament	not 5324
2024-05-22 01:01:15	citizen	ok, rebooted and remounted
2024-05-22 01:02:09	citizen	https://privatebin.at/?79d5898881d75694#3151mz9t5b2DjDsipxzkgVa7cMTp2Pjd6mNb8oteRPsd
2024-05-22 01:02:10	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XPn6.txt
2024-05-22 01:02:10	phrik	Title: PrivateBin (at privatebin.at)
2024-05-22 01:07:53	edt	I am having problems with messages not appearing on the serial console.  For example Alt+sysrq H, does not output, but Alt+sysrq M does.  Ideas (sysctl -w kernel.printk="7 4 1 7" is set)
2024-05-22 01:08:43	edt	I am trying to debug random reboots with kernel 6.9.1 (netcon does not show any messages)
2024-05-22 01:10:49	Scimmia	citizen: 100M for /boot? Not a good idea
2024-05-22 01:10:58	citizen	would this be a correct command to use to generate the mkcpio file mkinitcpio --generate /home/citizen/boot/initramfs.img
2024-05-22 01:11:13	citizen	mkinitcpio --generate /home/citizen/boot/initramfs.img
2024-05-22 01:11:16	citizen	stop that
2024-05-22 01:11:24	citizen	mkinitcpio --generate /home/citizen/mnt/boot/initramfs.img
2024-05-22 01:11:50	citizen	i am in the chroot in the mnt at the moment and want to generate the mkcpio file and make sure it goes to the boot foler
2024-05-22 01:11:54	citizen	*folder
2024-05-22 01:12:33	citizen	not sure what is wrong with boot system after power failure
2024-05-22 01:29:00	Synthead	I upgraded mysql (from the AUR) to 8.4.0-1, and when I attempt to log in using root with no password (it's a dev machine), I get this error:
2024-05-22 01:29:05	Synthead	ERROR 1524 (HY000): Plugin 'mysql_native_password' is not loaded
2024-05-22 01:29:13	Synthead	how do I "fix" this?
2024-05-22 01:29:30	Synthead	I want it to just log in with no password when I do mysql -u root
2024-05-22 01:55:55	glitsj16	Synthead: I haven't been using mysql/mariadb for a while, but a quick search turned up this --> https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.4/en/mysql-nutshell.html#mysql-nutshell-additions
2024-05-22 01:56:45	glitsj16	apparently there were some changes in 8.4 that are relevant for your issue
2024-05-22 02:00:00	glitsj16	Synthead: on a side note, if you want to keep using the AUR mysql package, you could consider adding the `archlinuxcn` repo so you won't need to build it manually
2024-05-22 02:00:16	glitsj16	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unofficial_user_repositories#archlinuxcn
2024-05-22 02:00:18	phrik	Title: Unofficial user repositories - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-22 02:03:42	matheusmoreira	arch has utils-linux fdisk and also gpt fdisk packages. what about GNU fdisk?
2024-05-22 02:03:58	matheusmoreira	I can't seem to find it.
2024-05-22 02:04:23	matheusmoreira	ddrutility (AUR) requires the gfdisk binary.
2024-05-22 02:08:55	rcf	?wtf is gfdisk
2024-05-22 02:08:56	EMIYA	rcf: no results for 'gfdisk'
2024-05-22 02:10:13	matheusmoreira	totally weird that there are 3 fdisk utils all with the same names...
2024-05-22 02:11:35	rcf	matheusmoreira: if it's required, it should be considered a dependency. 
2024-05-22 02:11:48	rcf	And provided by the maintainer of ddrutility 
2024-05-22 02:12:09	demonicm1niac1	it's not. debian packages ddrutility and it depends on util-linux there
2024-05-22 02:12:26	rcf	Do they patch it to allow this? 
2024-05-22 02:12:47	demonicm1niac1	not that i can see
2024-05-22 02:17:51	matheusmoreira	it was complaining about not finding ifind (sleuthkit), ntfscluster (ntfs-3g) and gfdisk
2024-05-22 02:18:24	matheusmoreira	had to manually install sleuthkit and ntfs-3g, already posted that comment on the aur page
2024-05-22 02:18:52	matheusmoreira	weirdly, after installing sleuthkit it stopped complaining about gfdisk...
2024-05-22 02:19:17	citizen	ok am now got a grub> prompt
2024-05-22 02:19:40	citizen	cloer i think
2024-05-22 02:20:29	rcf	matheusmoreira: this package needs to have those as optional dependencies, to make it clearer to the user 
2024-05-22 02:20:53	matheusmoreira	indeed. hopefully the maintainer will add it
2024-05-22 02:21:22	demonicm1niac1	it's also unmaintained upstream for ages. debian has some downstream patches but not for gfdisk - but for spelling mistakes and ntfscluster also broken since like 2020 or so
2024-05-22 02:21:47	rcf	The official documentation says that without GNU fdisk it cannot use GPT, but I don't know if that's because because util-linux fdisk didn't support gpt the last time this got a release. 
2024-05-22 02:22:13	demonicm1niac1	i remember when gptfdisk was its own thing and gdisk
2024-05-22 02:22:40	rcf	Or because there's some meaningful syntax differences
2024-05-22 02:24:26	matheusmoreira	yeah its a pretty old software, there's notes on the source forge page saying the maintainer won't be adding features, only fixing bugs, maybe not even that since there's no update
2024-05-22 02:25:18	matheusmoreira	I just want to figure out how much data I managed to get out of my failed seagate SMR drive with ddrescue. I was gonna write my own tool but this thing already existed so I thought I'd try it
2024-05-22 02:25:24	matheusmoreira	will report back if it works
2024-05-22 02:28:39	MacGyver	It being a source forge page is the first clue I guess.
2024-05-22 02:29:29	demonicm1niac1	keep in mind gnu fdisk is even older and last i checked hasn't had a release in over a decade
2024-05-22 02:30:37	virtualsid	is that an 'if it works' situation? :P
2024-05-22 02:31:09	rcf	Also it itself needs to be patched to build on a modern system. 
2024-05-22 02:32:22	virtualsid	I guess no, to the 'if it works'
2024-05-22 02:35:48	rcf	ddrutility probably is fine. Mostly. 
2024-05-22 02:35:59	rcf	GNU fdisk is not worth the split package it wants me to make. 
2024-05-22 02:39:53	matheusmoreira	it seems to be working at least.
2024-05-22 02:40:03	matheusmoreira	ddru_findbad, specifically.
2024-05-22 02:40:21	rcf	That's what I'd suspect, given they say it should be fine with util-linux fdisk 
2024-05-22 02:40:27	rcf	(save for the features it didn't have at the time) 
2024-05-22 02:40:39	matheusmoreira	mounted the 70% recovered disk image to a loopback and am running ddru_findbad against it right now
2024-05-22 02:40:43	arsaces	rcf: does ddrutility destroy your privacy? :)
2024-05-22 02:41:03	rcf	It could be part of that. 
2024-05-22 02:42:24	MacGyver	arsaces: It recruits processes on your system to report on other processes.
2024-05-22 04:14:35	kode54	What in tarnation is up with magma-hip
2024-05-22 04:14:40	kode54	extra/magma-hip               2.8.0-1             2.8.0-2             1850.85 MiB      85.95 MiB
2024-05-22 04:15:01	kode54	how does an 85mb download expand to 1.8GB 
2024-05-22 04:19:29	mefistofeles	kode54: good question, A LOT of huge plain text files? I don
2024-05-22 04:19:33	mefistofeles	I don't know xD
2024-05-22 04:21:18	rcf	kode54: extreme low entropy can do that. 
2024-05-22 04:26:35	mefistofeles	kode54: you could also check which files are the largest
2024-05-22 04:26:44	rcf	It's just libmagma.so
2024-05-22 04:26:51	rcf	They also provide libmagma_sparse.so 
2024-05-22 04:53:04	chikuwasuka	is there an alternative to xbindkeys for running a command on a keypress? i don't want to overwrite the key's native function, but have a script run in addition to it.
2024-05-22 05:18:47	AumShivaya	Hi, I have downloaded an aur package that is an appimage...makepkg downloads the appimage but when it finishes downloading it says, "WARNINGS: There are data after the end of archive"
2024-05-22 05:18:58	AumShivaya	suffice to say, it doesn't really work
2024-05-22 05:19:18	AumShivaya	is this a problem with the AUR package I should report or something else?
2024-05-22 05:20:33	rcf	AumShivaya: which package? 
2024-05-22 05:23:43	rcf	If makepkg itself is trying to extract the appimage, you can fix that by adding it to a noextract array in the PKGBUILD. But I'd want to be sure that's the actual problem 
2024-05-22 05:34:21	Edu4rdSHL	I would love to see the current nvidia beta drivers on [testing] due to the implementation of explicit sync so that it gets as many feedback as possible, but I think it isn't a reasonable request tho
2024-05-22 05:34:41	Edu4rdSHL	s/feedback/testing/
2024-05-22 06:03:39	AumShivaya	rcf, Ankama launcher
2024-05-22 06:05:31	Edu4rdSHL	Uuh, what a PKGBUILD
2024-05-22 06:06:38	ana_briated	for the beta drivers?
2024-05-22 06:09:53	Edu4rdSHL	Nah, for that launcher
2024-05-22 06:11:17	ana_briated	zaaaaaaap
2024-05-22 06:12:49	rcf	AumShivaya: oh, those are warnings from the abuse of 7z to extract appimage files. It still builds, installs, and runs fine here. 
2024-05-22 06:16:23	AumShivaya	$ ankama-launcher
2024-05-22 06:16:23	AumShivaya	This doesn't look like a squashfs image.
2024-05-22 06:16:23	AumShivaya	 etc. etc. more of the message continues
2024-05-22 06:16:34	AumShivaya	so yeah, does not run for me :/
2024-05-22 06:18:31	rcf	Can you post the full makepkg output? 
2024-05-22 06:24:09	AumShivaya	rcf, one sec. What pastebin do we approve of these days?
2024-05-22 06:24:19	rcf	!paste
2024-05-22 06:24:20	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-05-22 06:24:23	AumShivaya	ty
2024-05-22 06:24:44	AumShivaya	https://paste.rs/DfBxq.txt
2024-05-22 06:24:45	phrik	Title: Source Code | DfBxq | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-05-22 06:25:57	Edu4rdSHL	The PKGBUILD is simply broken
2024-05-22 06:26:02	Edu4rdSHL	That's why it doesn't work
2024-05-22 06:26:09	Edu4rdSHL	There's no noextract()
2024-05-22 06:26:17	Edu4rdSHL	They copy the whole squashfs there
2024-05-22 06:26:22	Edu4rdSHL	Or try
2024-05-22 06:27:46	AumShivaya	I guess I shall just do it without the AUR helper
2024-05-22 06:29:18	AumShivaya	never used an appimage
2024-05-22 06:29:35	rcf	They're easy enough to use standalone 
2024-05-22 06:29:40	AumShivaya	yeah
2024-05-22 08:53:23	bookworm	on the plus side, we'll get the fix soon
2024-05-22 08:53:41	bookworm	means that Arch carries that security issue though
2024-05-22 08:53:55	bookworm	funny way to solve it from the node people 
2024-05-22 08:57:07	jelle	rip io_uring
2024-05-22 09:02:40	rcf	rip
2024-05-22 09:08:48	kode54	the security issue is that the uring can be created before the process lowers its privileges, and then the uring can be used to do privileged actions
2024-05-22 09:09:44	bookworm	yes
2024-05-22 09:09:55	bookworm	that is a security issue by definition;)
2024-05-22 09:10:16	kode54	oh, right, you're involved with The Lounge
2024-05-22 09:10:25	kode54	recognized the name
2024-05-22 09:10:47	bookworm	although I do wonder who thinks doing setuid /seteuid is sane to do within a node process
2024-05-22 09:11:32	kode54	indeed
2024-05-22 09:12:31	bookworm	patching an external dep for that seems off though... shouldn't they just push a config to libuv so that they can toggle this at setup time?
2024-05-22 09:12:37	glitsj16	I noticed https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/mplayer/-/issues/2 just got closed, which is fine
2024-05-22 09:12:38	phrik	Title: FTBFS after LDFLAGS changes from pacman 6.1 (#2) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / mplayer · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-22 09:12:43	glitsj16	; but there's newish trouble building it from latest SVN which I was able to fix doing ugly things to CFLAGS+
2024-05-22 09:13:30	glitsj16	can someone point me to a PKGBUILD that deals with gcc 14 'fixes' so I can propose a proper fix?
2024-05-22 09:14:24	glitsj16	someone reported this upstream with fedora: https://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/2024-May/089351.html
2024-05-22 09:14:25	phrik	Title: [MPlayer-users] mplayer.c:3541:41: error: passing argument 2 of 'stream_write_buffer' from incompatible pointer type (at lists.mplayerhq.hu)
2024-05-22 09:16:12	arojas	glitsj16: the PKGBUILD fixes consist of doing ugly things to CFLAGS+
2024-05-22 09:17:13	glitsj16	arojas: heh, okay
2024-05-22 09:18:03	ponies	glitsj16: check the WINE pkg in AUR. all they ever do is patch
2024-05-22 09:18:39	glitsj16	there have been 100+ commits lately in upstream mplayer, not sure if arch wants to update to those
2024-05-22 09:19:14	glitsj16	thanks arojas and ponies, I'll browse around
2024-05-22 09:19:22	jelle	I'm suprised we even package mplayer
2024-05-22 09:20:17	ponies	yeah, and it may be for good reason. probably an mplayer-git exists in the AUR anyway 
2024-05-22 09:20:27	glitsj16	jelle: why's that? it still gets active bug fixing
2024-05-22 09:20:42	jelle	glitsj16: I would assume everyone switched to mpv
2024-05-22 09:20:56	glitsj16	it's svn, but i get the reference ponies
2024-05-22 09:21:38	glitsj16	jelle: well, on older hardware mplayer still beats mpv performance-wise
2024-05-22 09:22:14	glitsj16	but I might be the only arch user with really old hardware :D
2024-05-22 09:51:33	siak	I installed Arch but there is no wheel group!
2024-05-22 09:52:13	SysGhost	I kinda have an odd thing going on with bluetooth. Using KDE plasma, I cannot pair bluetooth devices with its bluetooth gui/tool. When trying to pair, the things hangs in a busy mode forever. Have to relog to resolve it. But the cli tool bluetoothctl everything works flawlessly. A minor annoyance as it does work that way... but still. Do anyone else recognize this behavior?
2024-05-22 09:52:28	siak	There is a wheel group. My mistake.
2024-05-22 09:53:05	jelle	the wheel of arch go round and round
2024-05-22 09:54:09	SysGhost	phrik: is jelle's steering wheel not attached to anything?
2024-05-22 09:54:09	phrik	Maybe so.
2024-05-22 10:28:14	Strykar	jelle: should there be an #archlinux-mirrors so mirror admins can discuss things like https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/1cxsjq9/joint_declaration_by_mirror_administrators/ without SSO and requested credentials?
2024-05-22 10:28:48	jelle	Strykar: you can request an account
2024-05-22 10:29:32	Strykar	jelle: I can and have, but I use Arch, it would be unreasonable to expect all mirror admins to use arch and request creds?
2024-05-22 10:29:44	Strykar	what is they dont use arch
2024-05-22 10:29:47	jelle	Strykar: you don't need to use arch for an account
2024-05-22 10:30:28	Strykar	"Tier 1 requirements: Active monitoring of tagged GitLab issues (initial response within 1-2 days)" - This isn't possible without an account tho is it
2024-05-22 10:30:36	jelle	Strykar: this isn't accepted
2024-05-22 10:30:47	jelle	it's a request for comments
2024-05-22 10:32:30	Strykar	jelle: fair, so that's a no for #archlinux-mirrors I take it?
2024-05-22 10:32:56	jelle	Strykar: I am not saying that, but it is not up to me
2024-05-22 10:33:47	Khorne	please crete an rfc for the creation of a new irc channel
2024-05-22 10:34:04	Strykar	:D
2024-05-22 10:39:22	Strykar	Khorne: "Anyone can file an RFC. However, the following restriction exists for contributors, that are not part of the Arch Linux Developer or Package Maintainer teams: At least one Developer or Package Maintainer has to support the RFC and must be willing to work on it in a joint effort with the contributor."
2024-05-22 10:40:05	Foxboron	Strykar: lol, did the chineese mirrors band together?
2024-05-22 10:40:38	Strykar	Foxboron: lol, that was my first thought reading the signee list, but they make some fair points
2024-05-22 10:41:16	Foxboron	Strykar: ofc, I've been making them for a while
2024-05-22 10:41:40	Strykar	jelle: Which Arch developer do I send hookers and blow to, so they may support my RFC to create an #archlinux-mirrors channel?
2024-05-22 10:42:17	Strykar	Foxboron: wait, you signed that too?
2024-05-22 10:42:47	jelle	Strykar: you don't need a RFC for that, but if your goal is to have a direct channel with mirror admins they need to say they'll be there
2024-05-22 10:43:15	Foxboron	Strykar: Please read the RFC comments :)
2024-05-22 10:47:08	siak	I installed oh my zsh and it puts zsh files in /home/siavoshk/.oh-my-zsh
2024-05-22 10:47:18	Strykar	jelle: that seems odd, would Archlinux users need to say they would hang in #archlinux before the channel was created? Who even knows who all the admins are or their emails, but IRC etiquette would usually mean they would find their way there 
2024-05-22 10:47:34	Strykar	Foxboron: still working my way down, its a wall
2024-05-22 10:47:52	siak	When I install plugins with pacman they are put in /usr/share/zsh/plugins/zsh-autosuggestions
2024-05-22 10:48:02	siak	How to solve this?
2024-05-22 10:48:15	mpan	siak: hello. What is the issue to solve?
2024-05-22 10:49:18	siak	Now zsh does not see plugins installed by pacman
2024-05-22 10:54:30	astralc	siak: you need to load the plugin manually, it is not omz plugin
2024-05-22 10:55:27	siak	My kvirc crashes frequently recently
2024-05-22 10:55:55	siak	Anyways. A solution is to change ZSH_CUSTOM to /usr/share
2024-05-22 10:57:07	astralc	you just need to source the file
2024-05-22 10:58:07	astralc	source  /usr/share/zsh/plugins/zsh-autosuggestions/zsh-autosuggestions.plugin.zsh
2024-05-22 11:02:26	jelle	!ping
2024-05-22 11:02:27	phrik	pong
2024-05-22 11:29:10	phrik	loldongs
2024-05-22 11:31:21	tamwile`	Hello everyone, i just bought some headphones but it's undetected by pavucontrol. lsusb correctly list them. modinfo snd-usb-audio gives me a not found error. But when i do a make menuconfig i get the error: crypto/Kconfig:1486: can't open file "arch/arm/crypto/Kconfig".  This shouldn't matter, since i compile on x86_64.
2024-05-22 11:32:35	tamwile`	What should i do to enable snd-usb-audio kernel module ?
2024-05-22 11:33:57	MrElendig	test with the stock kernel
2024-05-22 11:34:11	jelle	modinfo does not shown anything for unloaded modules afaik
2024-05-22 11:34:31	jelle	ah it does hmm
2024-05-22 11:37:21	tamwile`	I haven't touched my kernel besides installing nvidia dkms module using AUR
2024-05-22 11:39:26	jelle	tamwile`: pacman -Q linux && uname -a
2024-05-22 11:39:52	tamwile`	linux 6.9.1.arch1-1
2024-05-22 11:39:52	tamwile`	Linux Aquajet 6.8.9-arch1-2 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue, 07 May 2024 21:35:54 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2024-05-22 11:40:08	MrElendig	tamwile`: then why are you talking about menuconfig?
2024-05-22 11:40:25	MrElendig	uname -r; pacman -Q linux
2024-05-22 11:40:34	MrElendig	urgh stupid lag
2024-05-22 11:40:35	tamwile`	because it seems snd-usb-audio is not enabled ? at least that's what modinfo seems to say
2024-05-22 11:40:40	MrElendig	tamwile`: reboot
2024-05-22 11:40:51	MrElendig	if they still don't match, fix that
2024-05-22 11:41:11	MrElendig	usually due to not having the correct thing mounted to /boot when you updated
2024-05-22 11:45:14	tamwile`	Ok, i will reboot later
2024-05-22 12:17:57	tamwile	Hello again, i have rebooted. pacman -Q linux && uname -r gives me : linux 6.9.1.arch1-1
2024-05-22 12:17:57	tamwile	6.9.1-arch1-1
2024-05-22 12:21:41	tamwile	Ok now modinfo doesn't give an error about snd-usb-audio.
2024-05-22 12:22:01	tamwile	It seems to be fixed. Thank for your help, MrElendig 
2024-05-22 12:24:34	tamwile	You said "usually due to not having the correct thing mounted to /boot when you updated". Do you have some examples ? What could be the reason in my case ? A usb stick ? External hard drive ? Is that possible.
2024-05-22 12:26:24	Khorne	Broken fstab
2024-05-22 12:28:43	gromit	tamwile: thats only the case if a reboot does not fix it 
2024-05-22 12:32:55	tamwile	In this case a reboot seemed to have fixed the issue. But just in case, here is my fstab: https://pastebin.com/SGjc2sxf
2024-05-22 12:32:55	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XPFj.txt
2024-05-22 12:32:56	phrik	Title: # Static information about the filesystems.# See fstab(5) for details.# <f - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-05-22 12:33:10	Khorne	tamwile, your fstab doesnt have a problem
2024-05-22 12:33:25	Khorne	you updated the kernel and skipped the required reboot when trying to load a previously unloaded module
2024-05-22 12:33:43	Khorne	because the module required for the *running* kernel wasn't found because the installed kernel was newer
2024-05-22 12:34:03	Khorne	Arch doesn't keep old modules around
2024-05-22 12:36:59	tamwile	Ok thank you. So next time i will try to reboot after each linux update first.
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2024-05-22 14:45:36	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1451 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1451 regular)
2024-05-22 13:12:10	madprops	Decided not to install an aur package in mid process. It wouldn't let me to ctrl+c, so I tried giving it the wrong password multiple times until it stopped running. Which never happened. So I killed the terminal instance
2024-05-22 13:12:17	madprops	But now my sudo password is not working
2024-05-22 13:12:24	madprops	I'm assuming it's some cooldown for security...
2024-05-22 13:12:39	birdnest	hey madprops yeah it should tell you there is usually a 10 minute block if you fail sudo too many times
2024-05-22 13:12:50	birdnest	i'd go grab a nice cold beverage and wait a bit :)
2024-05-22 13:13:11	mpan	madprops: faillock
2024-05-22 13:13:48	mpan	If this is your home computer, likely you may turn it off with no harm to security.
2024-05-22 13:14:06	mpan	Also, to cancel sudo, Ctrl+D.
2024-05-22 13:14:18	madprops	alright, thanks
2024-05-22 13:14:41	birdnest	i am using arch linux rn it is pretty good
2024-05-22 13:15:33	siak	Why there is no aur helper in  official repos?
2024-05-22 13:15:49	AlexC	why would there need to be one?
2024-05-22 13:16:43	siak	So yo don't need to pkgbuild one at the beginning
2024-05-22 13:16:56	AlexC	is that too much hassle or what
2024-05-22 13:17:06	mpan	siak: use of AUR helpers is unsupported, so why would you expect them to be in the official repos?
2024-05-22 13:18:13	siak	So if a program is in official repos ita usage muat be supported?
2024-05-22 13:18:32	mpan	siak: you can’t arbitrary negate words.
2024-05-22 13:18:46	mpan	*arbitrarily
2024-05-22 13:19:25	siak	I am not infering that. I am just asking.
2024-05-22 13:19:50	mpan	siak: you negated the words I used, but lost the meaning.
2024-05-22 13:20:00	mpan	Either way, if my answer isn’t good enough… NetSysFire already answered. :)
2024-05-22 13:22:20	mpan	Though having to build an AUR helper also has a benefit of at least forcing people to be exposed to building packages. How big that effect may be, perhaps that saved #archlinux at least a few questions.
2024-05-22 13:25:21	BrainDamage	unfortunately, many aur helpers feature copypaste build/install instructions
2024-05-22 13:29:33	glitsj16	the unofficial archlinuxcn repo offers several AUR helpers
2024-05-22 13:30:47	Earnestly	The no-spoon moment will come when arch tooling and packaging and the "aur" merge into one abstraction
2024-05-22 13:32:11	glitsj16	Aurch Linux?
2024-05-22 13:38:01	glitsj16	lol
2024-05-22 13:39:34	glitsj16	btw, NetSysFire, is your fj still going without those slowdowns?
2024-05-22 13:52:19	glitsj16	NetSysFire: glad to hear you've cracked that :)
2024-05-22 13:52:55	glitsj16	no need to rush, update it when you find the time
2024-05-22 13:54:33	glitsj16	indeed; i hope that kind of issue disappears forever
2024-05-22 13:56:23	Miroboru	Any recommendations for backup software? I have been using burp untill now, but my lil' backupserver broke and now I want to do it just using an external drive attached to the machine... Compression, encryption and incremental backups are a must.
2024-05-22 13:56:45	Miroboru	I have been looking at borg. Anyone familiar (and happy) with that?
2024-05-22 13:57:25	Khorne	Works for me
2024-05-22 13:59:27	gromit	Miroboru: I'm using borgmatic, works very well :) 
2024-05-22 13:59:41	brutusmcforce	i use borgmatic too, it's great
2024-05-22 14:00:31	brutusmcforce	in fact i had forgotten about it for a couple of months and just did a borgmatic list and saw that it has worked smoothly in the background, making backup to my two servers
2024-05-22 14:00:53	brutusmcforce	backups
2024-05-22 14:01:01	Earnestly	glitsj16: Arch would exist as a curated set of pre-built packages which pull from the same collection, one big pool of pkgbuilds. Any user could clone the repo and build whatever they wanted, all fully resolved, using the same architecture as is used to generate the curated set
2024-05-22 14:01:55	Miroboru	Never heard of borgmatic - looking it up now ...
2024-05-22 14:02:38	Earnestly	borg is good, anything CAS based
2024-05-22 14:03:06	Earnestly	(Because you can crytographically verify data integrity with potential for repair)
2024-05-22 14:03:24	Earnestly	Actually no, not repair, need redundant copies for that
2024-05-22 14:03:41	birdnest	i am more a restic man
2024-05-22 14:03:52	glitsj16	Earnestly: that sounds just wonderful; is that kind of plan actually on the roadmap?
2024-05-22 14:03:58	gromit	Miroboru: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Synchronization_and_backup_programs
2024-05-22 14:03:58	Earnestly	But because no one actually tests backups, having data integrity checks is a good alternative to nothing
2024-05-22 14:03:59	phrik	Title: Synchronization and backup programs - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-22 14:03:59	Miroboru	I see that borgmatic is build on top of borg. What does it bring to the party?
2024-05-22 14:04:05	Earnestly	glitsj16: Nah
2024-05-22 14:04:17	Earnestly	birdnest: restic is also CAS so it should be good too
2024-05-22 14:04:29	birdnest	yeah it's great, used it for years
2024-05-22 14:04:30	gromit	glitsj16: no this is not planned, also its just a descriptions of any of the pacman wrapper aur helpers x) 
2024-05-22 14:05:20	glitsj16	Earnestly: too bad, thanks for the dream-prospect though, i still like such a design
2024-05-22 14:05:31	gromit	Miroboru: it allows for a somewhat declarative config file https://torsion.org/borgmatic/#it's-your-data.-keep-it-that-way.
2024-05-22 14:05:32	phrik	Title: borgmatic (at torsion.org)
2024-05-22 14:05:44	Miroboru	gromit: I was reading that page, but there are many systems, and various states of maintenance, so that is why I asked here to filter the wheat from the chaff :) 
2024-05-22 14:05:49	glitsj16	gromit: heh, that fooled me allright
2024-05-22 14:05:56	Earnestly	Miroboru: Just stick with borg or restic
2024-05-22 14:07:01	Earnestly	I mean, I guess bup is fine too
2024-05-22 14:08:47	Miroboru	Seems like both borg and restic ticks all the boxes, and are being maintained as well... Thanks for all the input
2024-05-22 14:10:39	Earnestly	I thought this duplicacy was duplicity, but duplicacy looks nice too but has a crap license
2024-05-22 14:11:27	Earnestly	birdnest: Does restic have a filter file like rsync/borg where you can tag certain files or directory trees?
2024-05-22 14:11:49	Earnestly	birdnest: E.g. https://0x0.st/H1IQ.txt (this is a bit old now, maybe wrong)
2024-05-22 14:12:55	birdnest	Earnestly, i am not sure tbh
2024-05-22 14:15:22	Earnestly	Looks like there is a --files-from which accords to Go's filepath.Match and then --exclude-file
2024-05-22 14:16:48	glitsj16	systemd upgrades rolling in, time for a reboot; take care people
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2024-05-22 15:03:33	predicament	i just isntalled borgmatic but im not sure how it works lol
2024-05-22 15:03:52	predicament	figured i'd try it since you guys were talking about it.. timeshift didnt work out too well for me so i got rid of it
2024-05-22 15:04:57	predicament	checking wiki.
2024-05-22 15:08:26	predicament	welp, the config file isnt under ~/.config because there's no ~/.config/borgmatic after generating.  so lets see.. i'll just look at /etc/borgmatic.yaml and make the .config file myself maybe.  /etc is obviously system-wide
2024-05-22 15:09:40	Miroboru	I just noticed that the autofs package is located in AUR. Does this mean that there is a better way to do on demand mounting now?
2024-05-22 15:09:58	predicament	?
2024-05-22 15:10:24	michuumichuu	good alternative to autofs is udisks
2024-05-22 15:10:42	predicament	udisks
2024-05-22 15:11:10	michuumichuu	or even better sudo mount /dev/sdX
2024-05-22 15:12:21	Miroboru	Well, I want on demand as the drive may not always be present... Anyways, seems like systemd has some functionality now...
2024-05-22 15:12:50	michuumichuu	udisks is the way to go
2024-05-22 15:13:37	michuumichuu	most distros use it
2024-05-22 15:14:24	Miroboru	Thanks, I'll look into it 
2024-05-22 15:22:04	Auerhuhn	Miroboru: in case you need more control than udisks gives you, check out `man systemd.automount`
2024-05-22 15:29:05	predicament	michuumichuu i just mount it myself
2024-05-22 15:29:24	predicament	sudo mount /dev/whichever
2024-05-22 15:29:41	predicament	and of course a mount point
2024-05-22 15:29:51	michuumichuu	i sometimes like when my computer does some things by itself
2024-05-22 15:30:02	predicament	/mnt is what i use when i'm not chrooted
2024-05-22 15:30:18	predicament	sure i like that too
2024-05-22 15:30:32	predicament	thats why i run systemd
2024-05-22 15:30:33	predicament	:P
2024-05-22 15:30:54	predicament	my stuff automounts with gvfs
2024-05-22 15:31:11	michuumichuu	i was thinking about switching to gentoo but i worry about compilation times
2024-05-22 15:31:33	predicament	too long unless you have an nvme.  even thne.
2024-05-22 15:31:35	predicament	then*
2024-05-22 15:31:39	predicament	might as well do LFS
2024-05-22 15:31:45	michuumichuu	huh i thought gvfs is just for network shares etc
2024-05-22 15:31:59	predicament	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/File_manager_functionality
2024-05-22 15:32:00	phrik	Title: File manager functionality - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-22 15:32:33	michuumichuu	well it uses udisks for drives
2024-05-22 15:32:35	predicament	Mounting
2024-05-22 15:32:36	predicament	The Gnome virtual filesystem (gvfs) provides mounting and trash functionality. GVFS uses udisks2 for mounting functionality and is the recommended solution for most file managers.
2024-05-22 15:32:48	predicament	precisely., that's what i use.
2024-05-22 15:34:01	michuumichuu	i use my udisks with udiskie on niri, i don't really know how should i set up gvfs
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2024-05-22 15:34:05	predicament	you can do sftp and afp etc regarding networking.
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2024-05-22 15:34:16	predicament	not sure why you thought it was purely network-based
2024-05-22 15:34:59	predicament	network shares is usually NFS and samba
2024-05-22 15:35:00	michuumichuu	i know it spawned gvfs-(network protocol here) processes
2024-05-22 15:35:17	predicament	there's gvfs-somethingwithnetwokring im sure
2024-05-22 15:35:21	predicament	yeah
2024-05-22 15:35:26	teraflops	predicament: I migrated all my borg jobs to pika backup
2024-05-22 15:35:45	predicament	pika
2024-05-22 15:35:49	teraflops	it's a forntend for borg with lots of options
2024-05-22 15:35:55	predicament	ohhhh
2024-05-22 15:35:57	predicament	sweet
2024-05-22 15:36:04	predicament	but i do need to learn the CLI for it
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2024-05-22 15:36:13	predicament	because i didnt know timeshift's cli
2024-05-22 15:36:29	predicament	used the front end for that and it wouldn't have helped me in an actual backup situation
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2024-05-22 15:36:30	michuumichuu	pika is gui
2024-05-22 15:36:35	predicament	right, front end
2024-05-22 15:36:44	predicament	i understand what front end means sir
2024-05-22 15:36:48	teraflops	pika has an agent that run backups on calendar
2024-05-22 15:36:56	teraflops	runs^
2024-05-22 15:37:11	predicament	i'd rather have a hook like timeshift at least
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2024-05-22 15:37:26	predicament	to do it on every package install
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2024-05-22 15:38:20	michuumichuu	i though you wanted to learn cli for pika nvm lol
2024-05-22 15:38:30	predicament	no
2024-05-22 15:38:40	madprops	today i learned okular can open and render markdown files
2024-05-22 15:38:41	predicament	borgmatic.
2024-05-22 15:38:47	michuumichuu	i'm doing my german lessons so yeah my brain is half functioning rn
2024-05-22 15:38:52	predicament	it's fine
2024-05-22 15:38:53	edt	I start kde/plasma6 from sddm.  Where are the logs?? (they are NOT in ~/.local/share/sddm/wayland-session.log )
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2024-05-22 15:38:56	predicament	no big deal man
2024-05-22 15:39:21	michuumichuu	okie man
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2024-05-22 15:39:49	michuumichuu	edt: logs for sddm or kde?
2024-05-22 15:39:56	predicament	we need logs
2024-05-22 15:40:00	edt	kde
2024-05-22 15:40:04	predicament	but you cant find it.
2024-05-22 15:40:07	predicament	weird
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2024-05-22 15:40:24	predicament	im gonna see what others have to say for this one
2024-05-22 15:40:27	michuumichuu	journalctl --user -xe maybe?
2024-05-22 15:41:39	predicament	that doesn't return much
2024-05-22 15:41:42	edt	it has started miss detecting the size of DP-1 (after display wakes sometimes it says 640x480 @60 instead of 2560x1440 @165 ) 
2024-05-22 15:42:08	predicament	oh goodness
2024-05-22 15:42:12	predicament	that's a mess
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2024-05-22 15:42:28	madprops	anybody knows how can I  tell KDE applications to use kvantum for themes, if I don't use KDE Plasma myself?
2024-05-22 15:42:49	predicament	i dont do KDE
2024-05-22 15:42:56	predicament	i wish i knew how to help though
2024-05-22 15:43:05	predicament	im not sure what you mean anyway
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2024-05-22 15:43:19	Khorne	Good talk
2024-05-22 15:43:22	michuumichuu	QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=kvantum <app exec name>
2024-05-22 15:43:28	predicament	you're using KDE apps without a KDE environment?
2024-05-22 15:43:48	madprops	yes like okular
2024-05-22 15:43:52	Khorne	madprops, QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=kvantum
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2024-05-22 15:43:57	Khorne	as an environment variable
2024-05-22 15:44:08	Khorne	o, it was already said
2024-05-22 15:44:12	predicament	that's what i was thinking Khorne
2024-05-22 15:44:25	michuumichuu	predicament: prism launcher
2024-05-22 15:44:36	predicament	prism launcher?
2024-05-22 15:44:46	michuumichuu	i was using kde 2 years ago maybe? so thats how i know
2024-05-22 15:44:57	michuumichuu	prism launcher is minecraft launcher in qt5/6
2024-05-22 15:44:59	edt	michuumichuu that gives some output.  I'll if it shows what happens when unblanking displays.  Thanks
2024-05-22 15:45:19	predicament	i see.  i dont play minecraft
2024-05-22 15:45:24	predicament	i noticed its in the AUR
2024-05-22 15:45:36	michuumichuu	try using it without -x just -e or even without -e (-e drops you to the end of all logs)
2024-05-22 15:45:55	predicament	yes it does
2024-05-22 15:46:50	predicament	that returns it all the way back to march 25
2024-05-22 15:46:52	predicament	my god
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2024-05-22 15:47:02	predicament	in this case you might want to do | less maybe
2024-05-22 15:47:18	michuumichuu	wha- so it saves those logs
2024-05-22 15:47:27	michuumichuu	if i only knew
2024-05-22 15:47:29	Khorne	It's a journal..
2024-05-22 15:47:35	predicament	it journalctl
2024-05-22 15:47:38	predicament	it's*
2024-05-22 15:48:06	michuumichuu	riight i forgot about that functionality
2024-05-22 15:48:15	predicament	lol
2024-05-22 15:48:31	predicament	its even showing my python screwup
2024-05-22 15:48:35	predicament	from months ago
2024-05-22 15:49:09	michuumichuu	btw anyone knows where is fish shell history stored?
2024-05-22 15:52:08	Khorne	.fish_history?
2024-05-22 15:52:47	predicament	even i would have wiki'd that
2024-05-22 15:53:06	michuumichuu	i wish, fish is my favourite shell but has so many quirks i cannot stand
2024-05-22 15:53:32	predicament	i wonder if that would've gotten me banned lol.  I know I have to show effort of a problem I have before asking any questions :P  I used to not know how to identify the problem at all.
2024-05-22 15:54:25	predicament	and sometimes I don't, so people here are nice enough to help me out.
2024-05-22 15:55:48	michuumichuu	oh nvm i found it
2024-05-22 15:55:56	predicament	what is it?
2024-05-22 15:56:04	michuumichuu	.local/share/fish/fish_history
2024-05-22 15:56:12	predicament	i might attempt to start zsh
2024-05-22 15:56:18	michuumichuu	and it's not even a plain file like .bash_history
2024-05-22 15:56:18	_256	fishtory
2024-05-22 15:56:24	michuumichuu	there are timestamps and pwd
2024-05-22 15:56:37	predicament	i did that once and destroyed my installation.. had to recover with chroot
2024-05-22 15:56:58	michuumichuu	oh it's not pwd, it tells what paths were used in the command
2024-05-22 15:57:14	michuumichuu	how did you destroy an installation with zsh?
2024-05-22 15:57:31	predicament	i forgot to do some stuff to replace bash
2024-05-22 15:57:34	predicament	with zsh
2024-05-22 15:57:37	predicament	so they collided
2024-05-22 15:57:45	predicament	this was two years ago
2024-05-22 15:57:48	michuumichuu	chsh or editing /etc/passwd manually?
2024-05-22 15:58:06	predicament	no, i didn't have it added in EXPORT
2024-05-22 15:58:16	predicament	and had bash there
2024-05-22 15:58:33	predicament	so it immediately was like "wtf dude"
2024-05-22 15:59:18	michuumichuu	as a $SHELL?
2024-05-22 15:59:24	predicament	yes
2024-05-22 15:59:46	predicament	it was basically a simple screwup
2024-05-22 15:59:50	michuumichuu	oh i see, but why would you define that variable? isn't it provided by running shell?
2024-05-22 16:00:06	predicament	I honestly couldn't tell you off the top of my head
2024-05-22 16:00:19	predicament	and I defined it because i got mixed up
2024-05-22 16:00:22	predicament	that's why
2024-05-22 16:00:23	predicament	lol
2024-05-22 16:00:27	michuumichuu	lol
2024-05-22 16:01:35	michuumichuu	anyways you said sth about a python screwup
2024-05-22 16:01:46	predicament	yeah in march
2024-05-22 16:01:48	predicament	:P
2024-05-22 16:02:03	michuumichuu	nah it was a few minutes ago /s
2024-05-22 16:02:10	predicament	journalctl returned that with --user and no -xe
2024-05-22 16:02:37	predicament	im saying it had my python screwup in journalctl
2024-05-22 16:02:45	predicament	it showed up in march
2024-05-22 16:02:45	michuumichuu	yup
2024-05-22 16:02:49	predicament	that's what i was saying
2024-05-22 16:03:27	predicament	its since been fixed :P
2024-05-22 16:03:34	michuumichuu	thats good
2024-05-22 16:03:54	michuumichuu	anyways what de/wm are you using?
2024-05-22 16:04:10	predicament	you wont like it... de is cinnamon, wm is mutter
2024-05-22 16:04:41	predicament	a lot of people like KDE but i'm fine with simplicity
2024-05-22 16:04:59	predicament	i use xfce4 too
2024-05-22 16:05:16	predicament	on my other box
2024-05-22 16:05:52	predicament	it has both that and cinnamonm
2024-05-22 16:05:54	predicament	-m
2024-05-22 16:06:08	predicament	never bothered with this one because it's fast
2024-05-22 16:06:09	michuumichuu	oh, what a mix here. i was using GNOME like a month ago
2024-05-22 16:06:26	predicament	cinnamon's an interesting fork
2024-05-22 16:06:30	predicament	GTK mostly
2024-05-22 16:06:49	michuumichuu	but i found niri compositor and it felt nice since then especially because of systemd integration
2024-05-22 16:07:07	predicament	niri..
2024-05-22 16:07:11	predicament	never heard of that
2024-05-22 16:07:22	predicament	i don't need a different compositor though
2024-05-22 16:07:25	predicament	i dont even run one
2024-05-22 16:07:35	michuumichuu	https://github.com/YaLTeR/niri
2024-05-22 16:08:08	michuumichuu	it has those vertical workspaces but with infinite amount of windows
2024-05-22 16:08:10	predicament	i like it
2024-05-22 16:08:38	predicament	Monitor screencasting through xdg-desktop-portal-gnome
2024-05-22 16:08:38	predicament	You can block out sensitive windows from screencasts
2024-05-22 16:08:50	predicament	i have that installed anyway
2024-05-22 16:09:06	michuumichuu	it even has rounded corners *finally*
2024-05-22 16:09:12	michuumichuu	i waited for it for soo long
2024-05-22 16:09:17	predicament	mine already does
2024-05-22 16:09:22	predicament	heh
2024-05-22 16:09:27	michuumichuu	yeah it's mutter
2024-05-22 16:09:31	predicament	:P
2024-05-22 16:09:47	michuumichuu	i guess cinnamon uses different one by default?
2024-05-22 16:09:49	⚡ 	SysGhost prefer square and pointy corners.
2024-05-22 16:09:57	predicament	absolutely
2024-05-22 16:10:07	SysGhost	watch it. Those pixels are sharp.
2024-05-22 16:10:18	predicament	lol
2024-05-22 16:10:22	predicament	hahahaha
2024-05-22 16:11:18	michuumichuu	um ackshually: https://github.com/YaLTeR/niri/releases/tag/v0.1.6 they invented it like 4 days ago
2024-05-22 16:11:51	michuumichuu	but just the video in the readme is outdated
2024-05-22 16:11:54	michuumichuu	i guess
2024-05-22 16:14:02	michuumichuu	it even has different radiuses per corners if anyone is into it
2024-05-22 16:19:15	predicament	invented
2024-05-22 16:19:16	predicament	lmao
2024-05-22 16:23:12	michuumichuu	anyone here tried using intel gvt-g with qemu and uefi?
2024-05-22 17:06:36	michuumichuu	i switched to UKI for shorter boot time
2024-05-22 17:06:48	michuumichuu	uki with efistub ofc
2024-05-22 17:06:53	siak	kurtosis: Well faster bootup
2024-05-22 17:09:37	kurtosis	I run encrypted /boot, / and swap  with grub - unlocking time after passphrase entry is about 8-10 seconds, so are you hoping for a 1-2 second boot?
2024-05-22 17:11:19	michuumichuu	it reduced boot time by 2 or 3 seconds maybe
2024-05-22 17:11:28	michuumichuu	1-2*
2024-05-22 17:13:45	kurtosis	that's my point; only trivial boot time improvement - plus grub provides me with the ability of multi-OS boot
2024-05-22 17:14:27	michuumichuu	well if you think about it, uefi boot selection menu can replace GRUB
2024-05-22 17:14:27	kurtosis	*to multi-OS boot
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2024-05-22 17:15:05	Betal	my main problem in boot time is the time it takes the keyboard unlock for typing the luks password, for some reason it takes some seconds to be able to type
2024-05-22 17:15:10	siak	Is it possible to open a kwallet which was created on another system?
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2024-05-22 17:15:35	michuumichuu	kwallet is encrypted with user password i guess
2024-05-22 17:15:44	michuumichuu	the one you log in with
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2024-05-22 17:16:51	kurtosis	Betal:  laptop here, no k/b delay whatsoever
2024-05-22 17:16:53	michuumichuu	Betal: huh i've never had issues with keyboard being unable to write
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2024-05-22 17:17:05	Betal	kurtosis: I have an laptop that also have no k/b delay
2024-05-22 17:17:14	siak	I have one from another system which i can't opren
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2024-05-22 17:18:41	michuumichuu	siak: try log in password
2024-05-22 17:18:59	siak	michuumichuu: no use
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2024-05-22 17:19:25	kurtosis	Betal:  so the problem is isolated to a rig with some type of external k/b?
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2024-05-22 17:21:03	kurtosis	siak:  maybe the folks on #kde know if its possible
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2024-05-22 17:21:14	siak	I don't know when did I mess up during the installation and setup. I should have my old wallet loaded now as it was in my home. But it is gone.
2024-05-22 17:21:30	Betal	kurtosis: yes, I wonder looking the journal if it is the time it takes to indetify the usb keyboard, like 6 seconds, from "10:52:00 systemd-tty-ask-password-agent[433]: Starting password query on /dev/tty1." to "10:52:06 kernel: usb 3-3.3: Manufacturer: Corsair ..."
2024-05-22 17:22:10	michuumichuu	so a keyboard can initialize for 6 seconds huh
2024-05-22 17:22:21	Betal	not sure why, given grub had the keyboard working
2024-05-22 17:22:25	kurtosis	Betal:  wow that's a long time in CPU time!
2024-05-22 17:23:14	siak	Try another keyboard kurtosis
2024-05-22 17:23:20	Betal	actually using systemd boot now, remember having the same problem with grub, then tried to switch
2024-05-22 17:23:32	Betal	siak: maybe this was for me?
2024-05-22 17:23:49	kurtosis	Betal:  can you swap it out for another cheap USB k/b - and test it again?
2024-05-22 17:24:01	siak	Yes sorry
2024-05-22 17:24:11	Betal	kurtosis: ill try it later, can't shutdown now
2024-05-22 17:24:16	michuumichuu	cheaper ones might work better without the whole RGBs and all
2024-05-22 17:24:48	kurtosis	Betal:  np, follow up when convenient
2024-05-22 17:24:49	michuumichuu	this whole rgb thing*
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2024-05-22 17:31:10	kurtosis	Betal:  I also use systemd boot to unlock an Arch on ZFS encrypted / on a rig with an external k/b - but, again no k/b entry delay
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2024-05-22 17:34:32	siak	sysinfo
2024-05-22 17:34:38	siak	Drives:
2024-05-22 17:34:38	siak	  Local Storage total 1.04 TiB used 322.42 GiB (30.4%)
2024-05-22 17:34:38	siak	  ID-1 /dev/nvme0n1 vendor Samsung model MZVL2256HCHQ-00B00 size 238.47 GiB
2024-05-22 17:34:38	siak	  ID-2 /dev/sda vendor A-Data model SU650NS38 size 111.79 GiB
2024-05-22 17:34:38	siak	  ID-3 /dev/sdb vendor Transcend model TS512GSSD230S size 476.94 GiB
2024-05-22 17:34:39	siak	  ID-4 /dev/sdc vendor Samsung model SSD 850 EVO 250GB size 232.89 GiB
2024-05-22 17:34:41	siak	  Message No optical or floppy data found.
2024-05-22 17:35:29	Antiz	!give siak paste
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2024-05-22 18:04:59	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1469 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1469 regular)
2024-05-22 18:00:51	siak	Antiz: Sorry it was a quassel shortcut. Didn't think it will send it automatically.
2024-05-22 18:01:53	siak	I used to see my fan speeds in /sys/class/hwmon/ when I was on manjaro. Which I used to configure my speeds. But there is non now! Only temps.
2024-05-22 18:04:45	siak	These lines are detected by kernel. Maybe I lack a kernel module.
2024-05-22 18:05:03	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-05-22 18:06:09	siak	/usr/bin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed
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2024-05-22 18:06:21	MacGyver	siak: Presumably you've already found https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fan_speed_control ?
2024-05-22 18:06:22	phrik	Title: Fan speed control - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-22 18:06:53	ponies	siak: use the fancontrol daemon ^
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2024-05-22 18:21:41	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1470 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1470 regular)
2024-05-22 18:14:55	siak	I did sudo sensors-detect and it solved the problem somehow.
2024-05-22 18:15:25	Web_Anon	Quick, take a snapshot before it breaks again?
2024-05-22 18:15:58	siak	It detected Nuvoton NCT6797D Super IO Sensors. But what it did so the other apps can see them now?
2024-05-22 18:17:21	MacGyver	Well, it detected the sensors.
2024-05-22 18:20:32	siak	Setecting them is a passive act.
2024-05-22 18:21:10	MacGyver	No, it's not.
2024-05-22 18:21:16	MacGyver	Funny thing about hardware monitoring, that.
2024-05-22 18:21:43	MacGyver	sensors-detect basically probes available buses for hardware monitoring hardware.
2024-05-22 18:21:45	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-05-22 18:21:54	MacGyver	And when it finds something, it makes it available.
2024-05-22 18:22:22	siak	OK it puts them in /etc/conf.d/lm_sensors and loads their modules.
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2024-05-22 18:23:19	citizen	having some issues with an encrypt HD grub boot after a powerloss
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2024-05-22 18:24:12	ana_briated	uuuhh ooooohhh
2024-05-22 18:24:19	citizen	i decrypted and mounted drive to /mnt and mounted my efi to /boot/efi
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2024-05-22 18:26:11	citizen	i have ran the grub reinstall: grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdb
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2024-05-22 18:26:48	citizen	i have run grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2024-05-22 18:27:02	citizen	i have run mkinitcpio -P
2024-05-22 18:27:07	citizen	anything i missed?
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2024-05-22 18:28:23	citizen	ok lets reboot
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2024-05-22 18:28:25	ana_briated	does grub install
2024-05-22 18:28:31	Metroid	would you not need chroot into the install first ?
2024-05-22 18:28:35	citizen	yes, you have to run install
2024-05-22 18:28:44	Ena0	Hi I had to resize my efi partiton so I deleted it completly and moved the root partition “to the right”. I installed grub again with grub-install and made a new config with a live install medium. How do I “populate” the boot directory with vmlinuz images?
2024-05-22 18:28:45	ana_briated	accept /dev/ paths?
2024-05-22 18:28:55	citizen	no i was ablt to run install without chroot
2024-05-22 18:29:06	ana_briated	citizen: iirc grub-install needs to be pointed at a mounted location
2024-05-22 18:29:09	citizen	i have the disk mounted to this machine
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2024-05-22 18:29:21	citizen	it was pointed at the mount
2024-05-22 18:29:26	citizen	/boot/efi
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2024-05-22 18:29:35	ana_briated	ok solid, check /mnt/etc/fstab
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2024-05-22 18:29:40	ana_briated	see if the drives are correct
2024-05-22 18:29:40	citizen	sdb2 = boot/efi
2024-05-22 18:29:50	citizen	ok let me take a look
2024-05-22 18:30:26	ana_briated	citizen: the drive as seen by /dev != the drive as mounted to /boot/efi
2024-05-22 18:30:30	MacGyver	siak: Yeah, so you shouldn't need to run sensors-detect on subsequent boots, unless you change your hardware.
2024-05-22 18:30:43	MacGyver	siak: Manjaro quite possibly just runs sensors-detect during installation.
2024-05-22 18:31:07	citizen	i see the root, the boot and the swap listed
2024-05-22 18:31:27	ana_briated	citizen: are they pointing to the drives that you expect them to be
2024-05-22 18:31:36	ana_briated	drive + partition
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2024-05-22 18:32:38	Foxboron	grawity: lol, jshon won't work. Kyle has yoloed all his infra
2024-05-22 18:32:44	Foxboron	and I'm not taking over maintenance of an entire project :p
2024-05-22 18:32:46	citizen	https://privatebin.at/?61871a267dc48a1d#2xhWYMM8eK21hBW9v1ghoNkPUBgSzRfZQBjR1bHsgeUH
2024-05-22 18:32:47	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XZs0.txt
2024-05-22 18:32:47	phrik	Title: PrivateBin (at privatebin.at)
2024-05-22 18:33:00	citizen	they are, but should the UUID be the same?
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2024-05-22 18:33:38	citizen	i had to run an efi to boot and ecrypted drive
2024-05-22 18:33:48	citizen	*and/an
2024-05-22 18:33:49	ana_briated	citizen: the UUIDs should be different, each partition has its own uuid
2024-05-22 18:34:08	citizen	ok lets boot and see what happens, roll for Grub Rescue
2024-05-22 18:34:14	ana_briated	fingers crossed
2024-05-22 18:34:17	citizen	lol
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2024-05-22 18:36:29	citizen	umounted and closed encrypted disk. ready to boot - standby
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2024-05-22 18:38:18	citizen	grub is loading and pushing the wrong hd0gpt at me. hold for fuckery
2024-05-22 18:38:25	citizen	set
2024-05-22 18:38:32	Ena0	Guys can you hear me? Or is this a bug?
2024-05-22 18:38:43	MacGyver	Ena0: I would consider it a bug if I *could* hear you.
2024-05-22 18:38:44	ana_briated	this is better than the MCU
2024-05-22 18:38:58	MacGyver	Ena0: I have no screen reader installed.
2024-05-22 18:39:03	MacGyver	Ena0: But I can read you just fine.
2024-05-22 18:39:05	Ena0	Ah right sorry thought my irc client bugged out.
2024-05-22 18:39:05	ana_briated	Ena0: I cannot hear you, double check your stream settings
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2024-05-22 18:41:13	siak	I am using this to control my fans: https://github.com/amedeos/ControlFANs
2024-05-22 18:41:19	Ena0	Would you guys know any hints considering my problem?👀
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2024-05-22 18:46:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-22 18:46:06	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1472 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1472 regular)
2024-05-22 18:41:57	MacGyver	Ena0: Sorry, I missed the initial question.
2024-05-22 18:42:04	Ena0	Np lol
2024-05-22 18:42:10	MacGyver	Ena0: You did create a *new* EFI partition, right?
2024-05-22 18:42:15	Ena0	Yes
2024-05-22 18:42:22	MacGyver	Ena0: Is that EFI partition mounted as /boot?
2024-05-22 18:42:28	Ena0	Yes
2024-05-22 18:42:34	MacGyver	Ena0: Was that also the case for the old EFI partition?
2024-05-22 18:42:35	Ena0	I also regenerated fstab
2024-05-22 18:42:47	Ena0	Yes
2024-05-22 18:42:53	MacGyver	Ena0: Right. Mount it, then reinstall your kernel(s).
2024-05-22 18:42:59	MacGyver	Ena0: pacman -S linux
2024-05-22 18:43:06	MacGyver	Ena0: Or whatever other kernels you had installed.
2024-05-22 18:43:16	Ena0	I backed up the old one and restored with r sync but doesn’t help.
2024-05-22 18:43:23	Ena0	All right let
2024-05-22 18:43:32	Ena0	Let’s * see
2024-05-22 18:44:06	Ena0	Grub doesn’t find my windows install either. I have os-prober installed and enabled in the config.
2024-05-22 18:44:22	MacGyver	*That* I cannot help you with, I don't run grub.
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2024-05-22 18:51:43	siak	Ena0: Did you mount it before generatin config?
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2024-05-22 18:54:05	siak	I also noticed that I don't need Grub to dual boot my system. UEFI boot menu sees my Windows.
2024-05-22 18:54:29	◣	Ena0 (~Ena0@user/Ena0) has quit (Quit: Client closed)
2024-05-22 18:55:05	⚡ 	siak is going to play some Xonotic
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2024-05-22 18:55:34	ana_briated	siak: iirc uefi cannot see partitions, but can be used to dual boot from different disks
2024-05-22 18:55:37	Ena0	siak: I did.
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2024-05-22 18:56:37	Ena0	MacGyver: When I select Linux in grub upon boot it just stays at the /dev/Blabla files black screen
2024-05-22 18:56:52	Ena0	It won’t boot completely.
2024-05-22 18:57:06	astralc	uefi can see partitions, it just don't have support for anything except FAT usually
2024-05-22 18:57:15	Ena0	Oh now I have a “timed out waiting for device” “dependency failed for boot”
2024-05-22 18:57:16	MacGyver	Ena0: Well, reinstalling your kernels will have put the kernel and initcpio in your new ESP.
2024-05-22 18:57:27	MacGyver	Ena0: Anything beyond that, you didn't ask for.
2024-05-22 18:57:38	MacGyver	Ena0: Sounds like your fstab isn't quite correct yet.
2024-05-22 18:57:39	mpan	siak: is Xonotic still alive? Are vehicle mods still common?
2024-05-22 18:57:44	Ena0	MacGyver: what do you mean?
2024-05-22 18:58:06	Ena0	I did genfstab -U /mnt >> /mnt/etc/fstab
2024-05-22 18:58:14	Ena0	From the live install medium.
2024-05-22 18:58:29	Ena0	mpan
2024-05-22 18:58:32	MacGyver	Ena0: So basically you appended the new situation to the old situation.
2024-05-22 18:58:34	Ena0	just played it today.
2024-05-22 18:58:43	siak	mpan: The common thing is free running maps!
2024-05-22 18:58:55	Ena0	Right had to do > instead?
2024-05-22 18:59:17	MacGyver	Ena0: You'll need to go into the fstab and remove the entries that no longer exist, and make sure there's only one entry for the ones that remain.
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2024-05-22 18:59:59	mpan	siak: oh, thanks. I didn’t play it for a long time. I was wondering, how it is. :)
2024-05-22 19:00:03	MacGyver	Ena0: Maybe -- if you never edited the fstab after you initially generated it, then > would've been the right thing to do.
2024-05-22 19:00:17	MacGyver	Ena0: But at this point it's going to be a lot easier to just fix it by hand.
2024-05-22 19:00:28	siak	mpan: You are welcome to join again.
2024-05-22 19:00:29	MacGyver	Ena0: The right entries are in there, just remove the older ones.
2024-05-22 19:00:46	MacGyver	Ena0: Then regenerate the initcpio(s) by running `mkinitcpio -P`
2024-05-22 19:00:49	mpan	Thanks. :)
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2024-05-22 19:18:47	Ena0	MacGyver: Thx you’re the boss:) It’s working now.
2024-05-22 19:20:13	grawity	Foxboron: ah lol. well that doesn't leave you with many options between "fragile pure-bash parser" and "$(python)"
2024-05-22 19:22:06	Foxboron	grawity: Yep!
2024-05-22 19:22:17	Foxboron	grawity: but only need to deal with a subset
2024-05-22 19:22:48	grawity	unless you do a git and start with $(helper-written-in-golang) and gradually the helper subsumes the whole script
2024-05-22 19:24:11	Foxboron	grawity: Heh, I actually have a few good ideas and Go is surprisingly good at *this* considering Google boots their intire server fleet on bare bone initrds that fetches distro images to kexec
2024-05-22 19:24:18	Foxboron	entire*
2024-05-22 19:24:42	Foxboron	I would probably not rewrite mkinitcpio in Go, though
2024-05-22 19:28:30	ana_briated	that is a large number of yaks to shave
2024-05-22 19:28:35	grawity	well here's my last idea: since there are two json parser .so's in core, use https://github.com/taviso/ctypes.sh
2024-05-22 19:28:44	MacGyver	Ena0: Yw.
2024-05-22 19:28:47	Foxboron	grawity: uuufffff
2024-05-22 19:28:58	grawity	I'm only 90% joking
2024-05-22 19:29:12	Foxboron	grawity: I'm 10% considering it
2024-05-22 19:30:21	ana_briated	I'm... why does this exist
2024-05-22 19:30:33	Foxboron	ana_briated: Read the reviews
2024-05-22 19:30:52	ana_briated	sterling reviews such as - "that's disgusting"
2024-05-22 19:31:06	ana_briated	10/10
2024-05-22 19:31:21	demonicm1niac1	grawity: cool! two json parsers that will generate completely different results! no to choose which one will break more in your favour
2024-05-22 19:31:25	demonicm1niac1	*now
2024-05-22 19:31:47	ana_briated	you know... rust has a pretty standard json library
2024-05-22 19:38:56	demonicm1niac1	rust is fine but all the rust json implementations i've seen crashed on some cases. go i think is the only one i've seen without giving garbage when it should fail to parse and not crashing
2024-05-22 19:39:03	demonicm1niac1	and perl
2024-05-22 19:41:14	ana_briated	huh
2024-05-22 19:42:31	Edu4rdSHL	Lets do parsing in perl!
2024-05-22 19:42:33	Edu4rdSHL	It's fun!
2024-05-22 19:42:45	ana_briated	not for mkinitcpio, I don't think
2024-05-22 19:42:47	ana_briated	lol
2024-05-22 19:43:03	Edu4rdSHL	For the whole family!
2024-05-22 19:43:13	susi__	grawity: what doesn't leavy many options between bash/python, I assume you were speaking of mkinitcpio?
2024-05-22 19:46:18	ana_briated	it is kind of the problem with json that it uses keys as types and strcmp as typechecking
2024-05-22 19:47:10	ana_briated	but that's also its greatest strength
2024-05-22 19:53:08	Ena0	Are you guys using wayland or x11? Just asking. I'm on KDE and I'm using Wayland and it's pretty good.
2024-05-22 19:53:40	madprops	i use x11
2024-05-22 19:53:52	Ena0	Are there any caveats that come with using wayland?
2024-05-22 19:54:05	madprops	some things are not implemented
2024-05-22 19:54:20	grawity	some apps like screenshot tools or keybinding tools might not work, depending on which WM you're using them with
2024-05-22 19:54:36	grawity	wlroots-based WMs are more lenient
2024-05-22 19:54:59	Ena0	I see. I might switch when I encounter problems. But so far so good :D
2024-05-22 19:55:29	Ena0	Any ideas when the 'major' issues are going to be fixed? Can we expect this to happen in 2024?
2024-05-22 19:56:13	madprops	from what i've seen, wayland moves slowly
2024-05-22 19:56:40	Edu4rdSHL	Ena0, I have a blog post with some "things to do" when switching to wayland https://www.edu4rdshl.dev/posts/my-move-to-wayland-it-s-finally-ready/ 
2024-05-22 19:56:41	phrik	Title: My move to wayland: it's finally ready | Eduard's Blog (at www.edu4rdshl.dev)
2024-05-22 19:56:58	Edu4rdSHL	Though, it's very Gnome-focused but the overall recommendations apply for any DE
2024-05-22 19:57:23	Edu4rdSHL	Most of these things are in the ArchWiki, I just tried to put them in one-place
2024-05-22 19:57:34	Edu4rdSHL	And sorry if I'm not allowed to share that here 
2024-05-22 19:57:54	Ena0	Edu4rdSHL: Thank you! I'll check it out rn. I just installed arch and KDE so it basically came with the kde install. I have X11 and wayland whch I can choose in sddm.
2024-05-22 19:58:29	Ena0	Edu4rdSHL: Too late already clicked the link ;)
2024-05-22 19:59:03	ana_briated	I haven't had any major problems in KDE wayland
2024-05-22 19:59:32	grawity	from what I've heard, most of the 'major' issues were fixed long ago
2024-05-22 19:59:41	B-|	why default to jdk11-openjdk when jre11-openjdk is needed
2024-05-22 20:00:06	ana_briated	some quirks I've noticed - streaming to discord is a tad wonky, VMs don't have solid 2/3d acceleration paths
2024-05-22 20:02:51	Namarrgon	B-|: Do you mean when pacman asks which one to install?
2024-05-22 20:03:55	Corroddity	Hi. I am trying to install the mariadb connector for Python via pip, put am getting a "passing argument 2 of ‘PyBytes_AsStringAndSize’ from incompatible pointer type" error. My pip log is here: https://paste.patchyserver.xyz/b8f24e403dae4a438eedb15b38114f67
2024-05-22 20:05:10	grawity	does that do anything pymysql doesn't, for your needs?
2024-05-22 20:06:07	alad	Edu4rdSHL: if you use the perl version, it won't be fun, just slow
2024-05-22 20:06:21	alad	Thankfully some guy made a C FFI that you can call from perl
2024-05-22 20:06:47	Corroddity	Never tried pymysql, my database is MariaDB so I assumed I would need the mariadb connector
2024-05-22 20:07:24	Edu4rdSHL	grawity, yeah, my post is mostly about making apps running natively on wayland (the ones that doesn't do that by default) so that you can have a nice experience. Xwayland still has some pitfalls so it's better to avoid it
2024-05-22 20:07:36	Edu4rdSHL	alad, I was joking :p
2024-05-22 20:07:38	ana_briated	Corroddity: yeah that is what you would need
2024-05-22 20:08:10	citizen	having sever issues with grub set to wrong gpt and cant change it: errors left and right. how do i not have a linux command in grub?
2024-05-22 20:08:13	alad	>: O
2024-05-22 20:08:45	citizen	is systemd-boot a good alt to grub, i run an efi boot drive
2024-05-22 20:08:45	ana_briated	citizen: grub shell is like the most minimal basic thing in existence
2024-05-22 20:09:03	Corroddity	The project I am working on already uses the MariaDB connector so converting it is going to be a bit of a pain.
2024-05-22 20:09:03	Ena0	I don't understand paragraph 1.3.1.3 from NVIDIA on the arch wiki (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA). What does "Note: A custom pacman hook is only needed for packages that ship built kernel modules. *-dkms packages do not need it as their upgrades will automatically trigger a mkinitcpio run." Does this mean whenever I update my nvidia driver I have to execute that hook?
2024-05-22 20:09:04	citizen	how do i not have the linux command, i cant even run insmod
2024-05-22 20:09:06	Namarrgon	citizen: Is this still the same issue as yesterday?
2024-05-22 20:09:09	citizen	yes
2024-05-22 20:09:18	citizen	i finally was ablt to get to a grub login
2024-05-22 20:09:24	Corroddity	plus, it doesn't look like pymysql supports connection pools
2024-05-22 20:09:24	Namarrgon	grub isn't linux, it has its own commands
2024-05-22 20:09:30	citizen	but the login is displayi ng the wrong gpt
2024-05-22 20:09:36	arsaces	citizen: you can use efibootmgr to create a new uefi entry
2024-05-22 20:09:37	citizen	i try to set the new
2024-05-22 20:09:38	Ena0	How do I know if a package shipped built in modules?
2024-05-22 20:09:40	citizen	i try the root
2024-05-22 20:09:46	citizen	but no linux command to continue
2024-05-22 20:09:55	Namarrgon	Yes, your setup is a total mess and you don't understand any of it.
2024-05-22 20:10:08	Edu4rdSHL	Ena0, like nvidia, nvidia-lts
2024-05-22 20:10:09	Ena0	Should I just add this hook for 'just  in case' scenarios?
2024-05-22 20:10:16	Edu4rdSHL	They have pre-built modules
2024-05-22 20:10:20	citizen	i have followed the wiki, the people here, the vids, the neighbors
2024-05-22 20:10:50	ana_briated	Corroddity: are you using something like pyenv
2024-05-22 20:10:51	grawity	Ena0: it's a pacman post-install hook that triggers mkinitcpio, not a mkinitcpio hook
2024-05-22 20:10:58	citizen	i will go step by step again. i have no issue, just tired
2024-05-22 20:11:00	Ena0	Edu4rdSHL: Ok so basically everyone with an nvidia graphics card should add this?
2024-05-22 20:11:05	Edu4rdSHL	No
2024-05-22 20:11:07	grawity	Ena0: nvm I misunderstood
2024-05-22 20:11:16	Edu4rdSHL	People using packages with pre-built modules
2024-05-22 20:11:18	citizen	ty arsaces 
2024-05-22 20:11:37	Edu4rdSHL	People using nvidia-dkms for example, don't need to add it
2024-05-22 20:12:07	Ena0	ok but since I have no clue whenever I install such a package should I just add it? It will only execute when such a package is going to be installed not all the time right?
2024-05-22 20:12:14	Edu4rdSHL	Yes
2024-05-22 20:12:25	Ena0	Ok thx then I'll add it. I'm using nvidia
2024-05-22 20:12:30	Edu4rdSHL	Only if one of the Target= arches
2024-05-22 20:12:33	Edu4rdSHL	matches*
2024-05-22 20:12:40	Corroddity	ana_briated: I am using virtualenv
2024-05-22 20:12:48	Edu4rdSHL	In this case, that also imply the "linux" package
2024-05-22 20:12:58	Ena0	AAh right I should start rading the code as well not just copy pasting xd Edu4rdSHL 
2024-05-22 20:13:24	citizen	also have made atleast as far to a login lol
2024-05-22 20:13:26	Ena0	Edu4rdSHL: Thx
2024-05-22 20:13:32	citizen	ty Namarrgon 
2024-05-22 20:15:27	m15k	I'm a little bit confused about my ipv6 setup. I use systemd-networkd for ipv4, but it seems not to configure my ipv6 address: https://gist.github.com/asbachb/e93c53e425f2a48986461df2003c6e90
2024-05-22 20:15:48	MacGyver	m15k: What have you told it to use for IPv6?
2024-05-22 20:15:58	ikwyl6	is there a way to get pip to use a different interface to do operation/downloads?
2024-05-22 20:16:11	grawity	m15k: what's your .network file and what do you need for ipv6
2024-05-22 20:16:23	Ena0	Edu4rdSHL: I dont have a hook directory in pacman.d. Can I just create one?
2024-05-22 20:16:30	ikwyl6	or another program that wraps around it to use a different interface..
2024-05-22 20:16:38	ana_briated	Corroddity: that is a bizarre issue
2024-05-22 20:17:43	Corroddity	yep.
2024-05-22 20:17:46	m15k	grawity: I updated the gist: https://gist.github.com/asbachb/e93c53e425f2a48986461df2003c6e90
2024-05-22 20:18:35	ana_briated	Corroddity: I can't really find a good reason why you would be seeing tha issue
2024-05-22 20:19:12	ana_briated	sorry I'm not much help
2024-05-22 20:19:25	Corroddity	That's ok, thanks for trying :)
2024-05-22 20:19:46	citizen	GRUB Error: I am using current linux machine and have created a dir tree :mnt/boot/efi
2024-05-22 20:20:45	MacGyver	m15k: Is your network running a DHCPv6 server?
2024-05-22 20:22:19	MacGyver	Wait a second.
2024-05-22 20:22:20	m15k	MacGyver: My router provides a dhcpv6m but it should only config the dns, not the ip.
2024-05-22 20:22:44	MacGyver	m15k: Why are you concluding it's not getting an address?
2024-05-22 20:23:11	MacGyver	m15k: Because absence of logging does not imply absence of address configuration.
2024-05-22 20:23:12	citizen	GRUB Error: have mounted sdb part efi -> mnt/boot/efi encryptedpart -> mnt
2024-05-22 20:23:23	citizen	|-sdb2     8:18   0   100M  0 part  /mnt/boot/efi
2024-05-22 20:23:27	MacGyver	m15k: Have you checked with `ip address` which addresses are actually configured?
2024-05-22 20:23:31	m15k	MacGyver: Actually I'm getting an address, but it changed for some reason and now I want to understand how it's configured.
2024-05-22 20:23:37	citizen	| `-luks 254:0    0 925.4G  0 crypt /mnt
2024-05-22 20:23:38	MacGyver	Right, progress.
2024-05-22 20:23:56	MacGyver	m15k: "It" changed from what to what?
2024-05-22 20:24:22	MacGyver	m15k: IPv6 has multiple address configuration methods and multiple addresses on a single interface.
2024-05-22 20:24:23	citizen	arch-chroot /mnt
2024-05-22 20:24:26	grawity	m15k: probably SLAAC autoconfig? install and run rdisc6 enp2s0
2024-05-22 20:24:55	citizen	root
2024-05-22 20:25:15	citizen	grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2024-05-22 20:25:21	m15k	MacGyver: From one ipv6 of my ipv6 subnet to a different one.
2024-05-22 20:25:44	citizen	Adding boot menu entry for UEFI Firmware Settings ...
2024-05-22 20:25:44	citizen	done
2024-05-22 20:25:58	citizen	Adding boot menu entry for UEFI Firmware Settings ...
2024-05-22 20:25:58	citizen	done
2024-05-22 20:26:10	citizen	mkinitcpio -p linux-lts
2024-05-22 20:26:20	m15k	grawity: from my understanding slaac should give me the same ipv6 all the time as it's based of the mac address.
2024-05-22 20:26:26	MacGyver	m15k: What's it say after the actual address in the output of `ip address`? The part that looks like something along the lines of `scope global dynamic mngtmpaddr noprefixroute`
2024-05-22 20:26:47	glitsj16	Corroddity: have you tried adding `CFLAGS+=" -Wno-incompatible-pointer-types"` to the build function yet?
2024-05-22 20:26:49	grawity	m15k: yes and no
2024-05-22 20:27:03	citizen	==> Initcpio image generation successful
2024-05-22 20:27:13	citizen	i should be able to close it down and boot
2024-05-22 20:27:40	grawity	m15k: it advertises a prefix, your pc chooses a suffix either based on MAC address *or* based on hash(prefix+/etc/machine-id), plus optionally a temporary random-genreated address
2024-05-22 20:28:43	m15k	grawity: it = the kernel?
2024-05-22 20:28:56	citizen	efibootmgr ??? hold for boot
2024-05-22 20:29:24	citizen	you can use efibootmgr to create a new uefi entry
2024-05-22 20:29:26	citizen	you can use efibootmgr to create a new uefi entry
2024-05-22 20:30:47	MacGyver	m15k: No, the router.
2024-05-22 20:30:58	MacGyver	m15k: The router sends you a router advertisement with a certain prefix.
2024-05-22 20:31:00	citizen	warning: efibootmgr-18-3 is up to date -- reinstalling
2024-05-22 20:31:12	citizen	n
2024-05-22 20:31:19	MacGyver	m15k: But I'm not convinced the address you're looking at is expected to be stable.
2024-05-22 20:31:30	MacGyver	m15k: What's it say after the actual address in the output of `ip address`? The part that looks like something along the lines of `scope global dynamic mngtmpaddr noprefixroute`
2024-05-22 20:32:06	m15k	MacGyver: `global dynamic mngtmpaddr noprefixroute`
2024-05-22 20:32:55	arsaces	citizen: here's an example: efibootmgr -c -d  /dev/sda -p 1 -L "Fedora" -l '\EFI\fedora\grubx64.efi'
2024-05-22 20:33:08	grawity	m15k: either the kernel or systemd-networkd
2024-05-22 20:33:20	grawity	m15k: some network config tools rely on the kernel's SLAAC support, networkd and dhcpcd do it themselves
2024-05-22 20:33:34	MacGyver	grawity: "it" in your sentence was referring to the router.
2024-05-22 20:33:50	MacGyver	Just to avoid confusion here.
2024-05-22 20:34:01	MacGyver	And "the PC" would be the kernel or networkd.
2024-05-22 20:35:44	citizen	encryption locked and part umounted
2024-05-22 20:35:48	Corroddity	glitsj16: how do I do that for a pip install?
2024-05-22 20:35:51	citizen	|-sdb2   8:18   0   100M  0 part
2024-05-22 20:36:00	citizen	|-sdb3   8:19   0 925.4G  0 part 
2024-05-22 20:36:05	citizen	reboot
2024-05-22 20:36:30	glitsj16	Corroddity: aren't you using a PKGBUILD?
2024-05-22 20:36:44	MacGyver	m15k: Since you don't seem willing to share the actual addresses, can you check yourself whether the address is directly based on the MAC address? So the last 3 blocks are something like xxyy:zzff:femm:nnoo where the MAC address of the interface is yy-zz-mm-nn-oo (ignoring the first byte)
2024-05-22 20:37:13	Corroddity	glitsj16: no. I am pip installing the mariadb connector
2024-05-22 20:37:51	MacGyver	(Systemd didn't suddenly start defaulting to prefixstable, did it?)
2024-05-22 20:37:52	citizen	just saw this arsaces, let me remount and retry and run 
2024-05-22 20:38:15	citizen	arsaces: Fedora? can u sample with arch linux?
2024-05-22 20:39:11	citizen	Remove Ubuntu GRUB and use Fedora's one???
2024-05-22 20:39:45	citizen	i use arch, not sure compatible. also am stuck on trying to push through with grub atm
2024-05-22 20:39:49	glitsj16	Corroddity: in that case I'm not sure, try `export CFLAGS=" -Wno-incompatible-pointer-types"` (can't break it more than it already is)
2024-05-22 20:40:33	grawity	MacGyver: I'm in the middle of wow raid so I don't remember anything I said
2024-05-22 20:40:48	citizen	so this boot manager lets me pick the boot loader i want to use for part?
2024-05-22 20:40:49	m15k	MacGyver: Hold on a sec. I was updating the gist with ip addr and I think my provider just gave me another ipv6 prefix.
2024-05-22 20:40:58	citizen	arsaces: ^^
2024-05-22 20:41:38	citizen	good to know
2024-05-22 20:41:52	citizen	so back at grub atm
2024-05-22 20:41:56	citizen	reboot
2024-05-22 20:42:03	Corroddity	glitsj16: that worked, thank you so much :)
2024-05-22 20:42:10	citizen	.break
2024-05-22 20:42:34	citizen	i know its going to load the wrong hd and i wont be able to edit and change it
2024-05-22 20:43:39	citizen	*hd/part
2024-05-22 20:43:47	glitsj16	Corroddity: nice; welcome... I've seen that error several times with gcc 14, although it isn't something I fully understand yet
2024-05-22 20:45:24	m15k	MacGyver: grawity: thanks I guess that was the problem. I assumed my provider is giving me the same ipv6 subnet all the time.
2024-05-22 20:46:20	MacGyver	m15k: A not unreasonable assumption on stable long-lived connections...
2024-05-22 20:46:58	m15k	Acutally I was on holiday and shut down my router for two weeks. I guess that's the reason I got a new subnet.
2024-05-22 20:47:04	MacGyver	Ah, yeah, that'll do it.
2024-05-22 20:47:37	arsaces	citizen: do you know what an example means?
2024-05-22 20:47:39	m15k	Thanks helped a lot!
2024-05-22 20:47:56	MacGyver	For stable *internal* numbering you can maybe make the router advertise an additional unique local prefix; won't be usable to reach it from the outside but it'll work between you local devices.
2024-05-22 20:48:09	citizen	<- still learning
2024-05-22 20:48:29	citizen	and yes your example took a few moments to digest and comprehend
2024-05-22 20:48:50	citizen	inital statemtn is reactionary, second statemtn is uslayy thoght out
2024-05-22 20:49:06	arsaces	citizen: you can use other efibootmgr option to set which uefi boot entry you want to start first, i think it was -o
2024-05-22 20:49:31	citizen	noting
2024-05-22 20:50:12	arsaces	-o | --bootorder XXXX,YYYY,ZZZZ
2024-05-22 20:51:15	citizen	efibootmgr -o | --bootorder XXXX,YYYY,ZZZZ?
2024-05-22 20:51:29	chikuwasuka	just efibootmgr -o XXXX,YYYY,ZZZZ
2024-05-22 20:51:36	citizen	ty
2024-05-22 20:55:00	glitsj16	citizen: the translation goes something like 'either use the short form -o OR (|) the long form --bootorder'; you'll come across it in many man pages, tutorials, wiki's etcetera
2024-05-22 20:56:16	citizen	understood, confusion does occur pletny on my behalf lol
2024-05-22 20:56:23	jl2	Hi, Is there any way to show all the packages that are explicitely installed and are also dependencies?
2024-05-22 20:57:03	glitsj16	citizen: pretty regular if you're learning, we've all been there
2024-05-22 20:57:15	citizen	ty hahaha
2024-05-22 20:57:46	citizen	i always find i just dont have the commands they want
2024-05-22 20:57:48	citizen	lol
2024-05-22 20:59:40	glitsj16	haha, let's hope that all changes once you sort out your GRUB
2024-05-22 21:00:11	citizen	I would like to just make a suggestion: anyway to create arch certified videos and append to each major wiki page, such as Installing Linux? 
2024-05-22 21:00:31	gaku	citizen: a video would be outdated in months
2024-05-22 21:00:47	citizen	damn, lets go live then :)
2024-05-22 21:01:48	citizen	i dont know about months, but for major items such as an arch install, it would help plentiful
2024-05-22 21:02:16	astralc	arch install would be outdated in weeks
2024-05-22 21:02:29	citizen	basics are the same
2024-05-22 21:03:39	MacGyver	You'd have to create a choose-your-own-adventuresque fractal of videos covering all the basic choices made during an arch installation.
2024-05-22 21:03:42	astralc	which FS? with encryption? separate home? bootloader?
2024-05-22 21:04:23	glitsj16	yet you've been hitting roadblocks (which is unfortunate), because 'basics' is actually a very broad concept here
2024-05-22 21:04:55	citizen	https://www.facebook.com/archlinuxpage/
2024-05-22 21:04:56	astralc	arch install zork. you were eaten by keyring-grue
2024-05-22 21:04:58	citizen	ha
2024-05-22 21:05:07	citizen	something
2024-05-22 21:06:07	citizen	break.
2024-05-22 21:06:25	citizen	lets boot and try to work out grub
2024-05-22 21:27:04	citizen	sdb is the drive and parted into sdb2 = boot and sdb3 = root
2024-05-22 21:27:23	citizen	grub rescue> set prefix=(hd0,gpt2)/boot/grub
2024-05-22 21:27:32	citizen	grub rescue> insmod (hd0,gpt2)/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod
2024-05-22 21:27:42	citizen	>/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found
2024-05-22 21:28:00	citizen	well lets mount and look
2024-05-22 21:28:13	gehidore	gaku months?! sometimes days or even hours :P
2024-05-22 21:29:33	citizen	i think there is only grub, no boot/grub
2024-05-22 21:31:43	gehidore	citizen is this the same grub issue from days ago?
2024-05-22 21:32:44	citizen	yes
2024-05-22 21:32:59	citizen	laoding wrong part
2024-05-22 21:34:09	citizen	I have to wait a few atm, machine is heated up a bit, long few dys
2024-05-22 21:34:54	citizen	laptop, hate open and clean
2024-05-22 21:35:13	citizen	older on top of it
2024-05-22 21:38:52	citizen	i removed the /boot value and tested again, dif error
2024-05-22 21:39:21	citizen	grub_disk_native_sectors not found
2024-05-22 21:40:18	citizen	recant back to /boot mount and look for normal.mod
2024-05-22 21:40:53	citizen	. /boot, mount
2024-05-22 21:50:12	citizen	normal.mod does exit
2024-05-22 21:50:16	citizen	exist
2024-05-22 22:08:13	noex	how can one set the default audio sink with pipewire? having trouble
2024-05-22 22:19:04	pkkm	Hi, quick question. The Arch Wiki recommends periodic fstrim over continuous TRIM, as TRIM isn't queued on older SATA, and newer SATA isn't always supported well. Does something like this apply to NVMe drives as well, or should I just enable the discard option on all my filesystems if I'm running a recent NVMe SSD?
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2024-05-22 22:34:02	teraflops	noex: you can use pactl
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2024-05-23 19:02:23	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-23 19:02:23	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1473 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1473 regular)
2024-05-23 13:13:52	lolok	after playing with /sys/class/graphics/fb0/blank i got /sys/class/graphics/fb0/mode to act like fbset in that it will resize the console within the same sized screen leaving me with black boarders... unfortunately, i cant find good documentation for anything this deep in /sys
2024-05-23 13:42:36	demonicm1niac1	i wonder what the best way is to properly get people to "dox" their non archness before giving support. if they just add their own repos and have an installer it's hard to find out unless you make them post their pacman.conf i guess
2024-05-23 13:45:59	Khorne	As with regular archers, they'll tell you eventually
2024-05-23 13:46:05	Foxboron	demonicm1niac1: Don't? It's annoying to be doubted just because
2024-05-23 13:46:31	Foxboron	So just assume Arch until they give you a reason to not make that assumption
2024-05-23 13:47:02	demonicm1niac1	fair
2024-05-23 13:48:35	ponies	so many times their kernel just doesn't match, hey presto 
2024-05-23 13:58:52	lolok	is using the installer officially supported now?
2024-05-23 13:59:46	gromit	lolok: yes, archinstall is officially supported, but you're still expected to know your installation for support
2024-05-23 14:06:34	ponies	lolok it is not the recommended way of isntallation. the main reason it is 'not supported', as it were, is because nobody here wants to debug the crazy configurations of others 
2024-05-23 14:54:40	lolok	according to https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/fb/framebuffer.html there is some ioctl to change video mode; it also makes reference to fbset, but fbset has only 2 man pages and both are from the 1990s so im still pushing off that reboot to test it more but ill be running out of unxeplored options soon
2024-05-23 14:54:42	phrik	Title: The Frame Buffer Device — The Linux Kernel documentation (at www.kernel.org)
2024-05-23 14:57:04	lolok	still looking for an easy way to change video mode / display resolution from the console
2024-05-23 14:57:16	ponies	just increase the font? 
2024-05-23 14:57:38	ponies	do you mean the console aka with no DE/WM ? 
2024-05-23 14:57:45	lolok	yes
2024-05-23 14:58:07	lolok	changing the font wont remove the black borders
2024-05-23 14:58:08	ponies	there is a command 
2024-05-23 14:59:06	ponies	setfont
2024-05-23 15:00:28	cloudowind	can he not do with grub?
2024-05-23 15:00:40	cloudowind	he wants his tty resolution doesnt he
2024-05-23 15:00:45	ponies	you can do it on login, it doesn't matter 
2024-05-23 15:00:55	cloudowind	ok
2024-05-23 15:01:03	lolok	the font itself is fine; yes i can use a boot parameter to change it, but i want to be able to change it on the fly
2024-05-23 15:01:35	ponies	like i said, you can setfont ter51 or something like that
2024-05-23 15:01:46	lolok	the font is fine tho
2024-05-23 15:01:56	ponies	i mean, increase the size 
2024-05-23 15:02:05	ponies	which is what you want, right? 
2024-05-23 15:02:29	lolok	no, the size is not a problem here, the unused black borders are
2024-05-23 15:07:03	lolok	i was booting with forcing an edid in grub, but fallback edid files are no longer included in linux as of 6.9. i could just boot with video=... in the same way, since the mode i want actually is an option in the edid of my display, only problem is it isnt the default
2024-05-23 15:08:18	lolok	but i know there has to be some way to actually do what xorg is doing with kms / drm changing the display mode but without actually using xorg to do it
2024-05-23 15:09:12	MacGyver	lolok: Is this maybe a problem with using (early) modesetting?
2024-05-23 15:09:37	MacGyver	lolok: In the sense that, if you *don't* use it, the thing you were trying *does* work.
2024-05-23 15:11:34	lolok	i have been using early kms for years, i havent tried without anything without it. would it be very different?
2024-05-23 15:12:01	lolok	tried doing* anything
2024-05-23 15:12:13	cloudowind	what is kmscon  , could it help you
2024-05-23 15:13:17	lolok	i might look at its code if i wind up writing something myself
2024-05-23 15:19:55	MacGyver	lolok: Yeah and early kms is a *relatively* new-fangled thing (when compared to setting the resolution on a non-Xorg TTY) so maybe it's messing with that ability.
2024-05-23 15:20:58	lolok	ok added that to the list of things im gonna test on reboot
2024-05-23 15:21:19	ponies	lolok if you say it was working and now it isn't it raises the question as to whether the edid was written into the iniramfs
2024-05-23 15:21:28	lolok	that might explain why fbset is not working as expected
2024-05-23 15:22:34	lolok	it was just straight up removed from the kernel ponies https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/diff/tools/edid/1920x1080.S?id=v6.9.1&id2=v6.8.10
2024-05-23 15:22:34	phrik	Title: kernel/git/stable/linux.git - Linux kernel stable tree (at git.kernel.org)
2024-05-23 15:23:24	lolok	i can rebuilt it and make that work too but it was always a hack and i wanna know the real answer
2024-05-23 15:24:56	ponies	but then "you cant video= ... since it isnt the default" 
2024-05-23 15:25:49	lolok	i could* video=...
2024-05-23 15:26:35	lolok	thats probably the option ill take if i cant find out how to set it with some command
2024-05-23 15:27:08	lolok	since i dont really feel like spending a whole day writing a program just to call an ioctl
2024-05-23 15:28:53	lolok	and i suck at programming so when i say a whole day i mean a whole week
2024-05-23 15:30:41	ponies	i mean that or simply launch your DE and compute like normal 
2024-05-23 15:34:33	lolok	im doing that right now, which is why im waiting to reboot, but probably a good 25% of the time i dont need or want a gui
2024-05-23 15:35:39	ponies	typical ... 
2024-05-23 15:35:50	lolok	this *is* #archlinux...
2024-05-23 15:36:09	lolok	if i wanted the easy way out id be using debian
2024-05-23 15:37:00	ponies	or buy a new monitor i suppose 
2024-05-23 15:40:24	lolok	for damn sure i could use one, a fancy one with 120hz or better refresh rate, but i only got what i got for now
2024-05-23 15:43:05	lmat	I would like to be able to create "single-use" e-mail addresses that forward to my primary e-mail address until they start collecting junk mail, then I can send all their mail to /dev/null. Do I need to set up a mail server for myself?
2024-05-23 15:44:33	lolok	need is a strong word, considering proton mail and firefox have a service like that, tho im not sure it is free. i am sure that setting up an email server is hell, tho
2024-05-23 15:44:49	Khorne	If it only needs receiving it is not as hell
2024-05-23 15:44:57	Khorne	It'll be a mail server though
2024-05-23 15:45:07	lolok	true, its only the first layer of hell, if only receiving
2024-05-23 15:47:57	lolok	i think nullmailer might be useful for this, i looked at it briefly in the past, tho i never implemented anything
2024-05-23 15:51:41	lolok	theres also some important distinction between mta and mda that 'email server' obscures
2024-05-23 16:18:37	simark	foxxx0: you are the maintainer of the babeltrace2 package, if I'm not mistaken?
2024-05-23 16:34:23	gromit	simark: what is your question? 
2024-05-23 16:36:58	simark	gromit: I submitted a merge request for some enhancements to this package about a month ago, but the maintainer appears to have been inactive for ~2 years on gitlab, so I'm a bit worried that this will just fall through the cracks
2024-05-23 16:39:09	madprops	anybody has an idea of why steam is so buggy now? The interfaces freezes and i have to resize it a bit to restore it
2024-05-23 16:39:21	mefistofeles	madprops: wayland
2024-05-23 16:39:22	mefistofeles	?
2024-05-23 16:39:24	madprops	x11
2024-05-23 16:39:33	simark	Actually I see some more recent commits from them in other projects, not sure why gitlab doesn't show them in the Activity tab
2024-05-23 16:40:08	gromit	simark: I'll have a look
2024-05-23 16:40:27	gromit	simark: huh? In which projects? 
2024-05-23 16:41:27	simark	gromit: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/babeltrace2/
2024-05-23 16:41:28	phrik	Title: Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / babeltrace2 · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-23 16:41:53	simark	Oh you mean for the activity thing?
2024-05-23 16:42:02	gromit	simark: yeah the activity
2024-05-23 16:42:40	simark	Actually I think it's just that gitlab doesn't show commits as activity at all
2024-05-23 16:42:56	simark	Just commenting, opening issues, etc
2024-05-23 16:43:14	jelle	it is a setting afaik
2024-05-23 16:43:49	simark	Perhaps.  I think that Github shows them, that's why I thought Gitlab would.
2024-05-23 16:45:09	jelle	just look at https://archlinux.org/packages/?packager=foxxx0&sort=-last_update
2024-05-23 16:45:10	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2024-05-23 16:46:09	simark	ack
2024-05-23 16:46:36	simark	Anyway, I'd be happy to help with the maintenance of the babeltrace2 and lttng-ust packages if needed, I work on the upstream projects
2024-05-23 16:49:50	simark	gromit: thanks for the quick review
2024-05-23 16:51:29	simark	Once things are merged to the packaging repo, is the build / upload done automatically by some CI/CD machinery, or the maintainer has to do it by hand?
2024-05-23 16:52:49	gromit	simark: we build everything by hand, we have no automatic builds yet since the needed signing enclave is still being figured out 
2024-05-23 16:53:37	gromit	simark: are you using the testing repositories? 
2024-05-23 16:57:03	simark	gromit: no
2024-05-23 16:57:21	gromit	simark: I have just pushed the package to the testing repositories 
2024-05-23 16:57:58	simark	Ok, perhaps I can install just this package from testing, since it doesn't need any new dependency that's not in the stable repos
2024-05-23 16:58:14	gromit	simark: it has a small userbase, so I have moved it to stable, please report if you find bugs with it! 
2024-05-23 16:59:20	simark	Thanks, will do.  I'll follow up with some patches soon-ish to add --enable-python-bindings, since that's my end goal
2024-05-23 17:00:13	gromit	simark: noice, thanks for contributing! 
2024-05-23 17:00:23	simark	I guess it takes a few minutes for it to propagate to all repos :)
2024-05-23 17:01:00	gromit	simark: yeah, mirrors will need a bit of time to catch up
2024-05-23 17:01:52	simark	there we go
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2024-05-23 17:04:16	simark	I see a lot of version upgrades named "upgpkg: x.y.z".  Is that a tool that automates the process or something like that?
2024-05-23 17:04:24	simark	or just a naming convention
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2024-05-23 17:05:09	simark	I found this but it's rather old https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2010-November/017070.html
2024-05-23 17:05:10	phrik	Title: [arch-general] [PATCH] add upgpkg (at lists.archlinux.org)
2024-05-23 17:05:54	gromit	simark: we are using pkgctl from devtools to build & release packages and this is just the template when doing a "pkgctl release"
2024-05-23 17:06:21	gromit	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/devtools/-/blob/master/src/commitpkg.in?ref_type=heads#L205
2024-05-23 17:06:23	phrik	Title: src/commitpkg.in · master · Arch Linux / devtools · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-23 17:06:30	Khorne	aurpublish uses it as well
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2024-05-23 17:06:46	madprops	yeah steam freezes on arch if i change workspaces. i need to resize the window to restore funcitonality, on x11
2024-05-23 17:07:01	gromit	madprops: are you on nvidia by chance? 
2024-05-23 17:07:06	madprops	amd
2024-05-23 17:07:16	simark	gromit: ok, thanks
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2024-05-23 17:10:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-23 17:08:43	madprops	seems to be this: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/10459
2024-05-23 17:08:51	madprops	same symptoms
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2024-05-23 17:11:29	madprops	ok fixed
2024-05-23 17:11:32	madprops	the issue is gpu acceleration
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2024-05-23 17:20:47	lolok	where is your esp mounted?
2024-05-23 17:20:48	another|	removing the package does not uninstall it
2024-05-23 17:21:00	stewi	grub is stored in special places. mbr, efi whatever... gotta overwrite it with the new bootloader.
2024-05-23 17:21:10	stewi	what are you replacing it with
2024-05-23 17:21:21	stewi	ah I never installed it before
2024-05-23 17:21:42	lolok	what was wrong with grub?
2024-05-23 17:21:59	stewi	I use systemd-boot.
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2024-05-23 17:22:34	stewi	well, reefind might also be good
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2024-05-23 17:23:11	stewi	I just haven't used it. My anecdotal experience with luks and systemd is good. Someone else might be able to help better with reefind
2024-05-23 17:23:35	stewi	AFAIK reefind is pretty good.
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2024-05-23 17:25:34	stewi	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot you need to create a configuration file for every boot option.
2024-05-23 17:25:35	phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-23 17:25:46	lolok	that must have been an ugly crash
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2024-05-23 17:26:43	Namarrgon	You have a separate /boot fs, the initramfs is unlocking luks, not the bootloader.
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2024-05-23 17:31:01	Namarrgon	Switching out the bootloader is not going to fix that issue.
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2024-05-23 17:34:12	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Initramfs doesn't ask for LUKS password on boot / Installation / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-23 17:36:13	lolok	are you missing something from mkinitcpio.conf?
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2024-05-23 17:44:20	wunit	citizen: what commandline options are you passing to the kernel?
2024-05-23 17:44:47	wunit	ah wait, sorry, the issue is that it still boots grub?
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2024-05-23 17:45:06	wunit	have you installed any other bootloader now? what if you set the boot order with efibootmgr?
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2024-05-23 17:48:05	lolok	the issue is that he cant enter his luks password
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2024-05-23 18:02:32	MacGyver	lolok: Btw, if you *do* figure this one out, please highlight me if you explain your findings. I might have no practical use for it but I *would* like to know.
2024-05-23 18:02:46	MacGyver	lolok: (The tty-resolution-thing)
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2024-05-23 18:09:10	mefistofeles	citizen: that's worrysome, a crash shouldn't make your crypt setup fail :/
2024-05-23 18:09:38	mefistofeles	citizen: but yes, maybe you are missing some modules in your mkinitcpio conf
2024-05-23 18:09:52	mefistofeles	s/modules/hooks
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2024-05-23 18:47:35	madprops	all my associated file openeres in dolphin suddenly disappeared
2024-05-23 18:47:39	madprops	files don't know how to be opened
2024-05-23 18:47:57	madprops	and i open "open with" no program is listed :o
2024-05-23 18:48:14	madprops	dolphin or kde broke
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2024-05-23 18:49:17	madprops	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=295358
2024-05-23 18:49:18	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Dolphin no longer has "open with" context list after update / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-23 18:57:37	lmat	I'm trying to install pdf-crop-margins https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/pdfcropmargins. It requires python-pypdf2 also from AUR. When installing the latter, I get, "python-pypdf2: /usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/pypdf/xmp.py exists in filesystem (owned by python-pypdf)" and many more like it. It looks like python-pypdf is required by my printer driver (brother-mfc-j480dw). How should I
2024-05-23 18:57:37	lmat	continue trying 
2024-05-23 18:57:43	lmat	to install pdf-crop-margins?
2024-05-23 18:57:49	lmat	Alternatively, how can I auto-crop white space out of a PDF?
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2024-05-23 19:08:37	BrainDamage	lmat: that program looks like it's badly packaged, upstream doesn't list pypdf2 as a dependency: https://github.com/abarker/pdfCropMargins/blob/5e91adb9921a78576eb010cac81de97f93b1eeab/setup.py#L48
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2024-05-23 19:10:19	Edu4rdSHL	Maybe they don't list it as dependency because they are including that xmp.py file themselves? 
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2024-05-23 19:15:29	BrainDamage	no, the conflict is when they try to install pypdf2 and pypdf
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2024-05-23 19:15:56	BrainDamage	and pypdf2 is likely badly packaged too because it should conflict with normal pypdf
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2024-05-23 19:19:25	ana_briated	ahhhhh python packaging arch
2024-05-23 19:20:42	ana_briated	tbh python packaging in general is a big of a hot mess
2024-05-23 19:20:53	ana_briated	I think arch's solution isn't too bad
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2024-05-23 19:25:41	Edu4rdSHL	BrainDamage, ah, got it
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2024-05-23 19:31:49	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XZcG.txt
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2024-05-23 19:33:11	Namarrgon	citizen: How does the encrypt hook know which device you want it to unlock?
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2024-05-23 19:47:58	Namarrgon	Did you add that to /etc/fstab?
2024-05-23 19:49:16	Namarrgon	How is the initramfs hook going to access that before it could unlock the filesystem?
2024-05-23 19:49:47	Namarrgon	(ignoring that fact that a luks device is not a filesystem and doesn't get mounted)
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2024-05-23 19:54:04	stewi	citizen: fstab is inside the file system. Think about it. It can only be accessed *after* successful decryption.
2024-05-23 19:54:33	stewi	fstab has nothing to do with kernel flags, which is what you want.
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2024-05-23 19:54:49	stewi	you need to look to your bootloader to set kernel flags.
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2024-05-23 19:59:22	stewi	Hmm... Uh... I... think you need to sober up before continuing with this project.
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2024-05-23 20:00:08	Namarrgon	You haven't improved much in the last few years.
2024-05-23 20:00:52	Namarrgon	You learned how to mount filesystems yesterday, your own setup is overwhelming you.
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2024-05-23 20:01:19	Namarrgon	You should back up your stuff and move to a distro that suits your level of knowledge.
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2024-05-23 20:01:31	tirnanog	it would hardly be a useful implementation of encryption if you could mount the block device containing the ciphertext (indicating that its contents are no different from the plaintext).
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2024-05-23 20:04:36	tirnanog	if you were able to mount the sdc3, you'd have on your hands an encryption system that is doing precisely nothing (worse than ROT13 even).
2024-05-23 20:04:51	tirnanog	which is to say: no encryption at all. would kind of defeat the point.
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2024-05-23 20:05:23	tirnanog	the mapped device exposes the plaintext.
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2024-05-23 20:08:22	Namarrgon	bluetail: pacman -Q udisks2-lvm2
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2024-05-23 20:19:53	stewi	feels right
2024-05-23 20:20:32	stewi	My fstab is completely blank :D
2024-05-23 20:20:34	lmat	ana_briated: Is there a distribution that does a better job with python packaging?
2024-05-23 20:20:40	stewi	It's not so important
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2024-05-23 20:21:35	stewi	Doesn't mean you don't need fstab for your swap or boot...
2024-05-23 20:21:55	stewi	But it's just one method for defining mounts.
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2024-05-23 20:25:16	stewi	If you're on grub and it can't find boot AFAIK you wouldn't get anywhere near that far.
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2024-05-23 20:27:20	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-23 20:27:20	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1471 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1471 regular)
2024-05-23 20:25:49	stewi	So, I think partition 2 is fine.
2024-05-23 20:25:56	stewi	hmm
2024-05-23 20:27:25	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-05-23 20:27:38	Edu4rdSHL	citizen, as Namarrgon said to you: find out something that matches your knowledge level, learn there and then use something else if you want
2024-05-23 20:28:00	stewi	I'm not a fan of gatekeeping.
2024-05-23 20:28:16	Edu4rdSHL	Ofc that will help you
2024-05-23 20:28:40	Edu4rdSHL	You're in a point where you don't have idea of anything don't know the basics... you need to learn that first
2024-05-23 20:29:00	Edu4rdSHL	You're trying to go to the war without any previous training
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2024-05-23 20:29:14	Edu4rdSHL	It's normal that it says "unknown fs" for encrypted partitions
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2024-05-23 20:29:38	alad	stewi: we're dealing with an extreme case here
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2024-05-23 20:31:17	Tom^	Edu4rdSHL: what does one do when i cant find a hard enough distro
2024-05-23 20:31:57	alad	Tom^: write an UEFI implementation of emacs and boot that
2024-05-23 20:32:07	stewi	HA
2024-05-23 20:32:08	Tom^	alad: :D
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2024-05-23 20:32:14	Tom^	touche
2024-05-23 20:32:36	gehidore	 wut, there isn't a UEFI implementation of emacs already!?
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2024-05-23 20:32:50	stewi	get out
2024-05-23 20:32:56	alad	gehidore: there's https://github.com/codyd51/uefirc
2024-05-23 20:33:32	stewi	good lord some people have way too much free time on their hands.
2024-05-23 20:33:42	alad	>:O
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2024-05-23 20:34:16	Tom^	citizen: you sure that power outage didnt corrupt your FS ?
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2024-05-23 20:34:38	Namarrgon	Your /boot fs used to be ext4 a day ago and your ESP was not listed in fstab.
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2024-05-23 20:35:04	Namarrgon	Then you forgot to mount /boot when reinstalling the kernel and grub and now you don't know where up and down is.
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2024-05-23 20:46:34	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-23 20:46:34	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1467 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1467 regular)
2024-05-23 20:35:56	stewi	target?
2024-05-23 20:37:00	Edu4rdSHL	Where do you read that
2024-05-23 20:37:00	stewi	Are you using a 32-bit processor?
2024-05-23 20:37:48	Edu4rdSHL	Uh?
2024-05-23 20:38:02	Edu4rdSHL	That's the problem, you don't "just follow what you read"
2024-05-23 20:38:10	Edu4rdSHL	You **need** to understand it
2024-05-23 20:38:25	Edu4rdSHL	!bail
2024-05-23 20:38:26	phrik	Looks like Edu4rdSHL is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2024-05-23 20:38:32	stewi	I think the biggest issue you have is assuming that random stuff from different parts of the internet will solve your problem.
2024-05-23 20:39:28	stewi	You can follow one guide, and investigate issues you find with it, but you can't bounce between pages running stuff that seems relevent.
2024-05-23 20:40:04	alad	time to give up and do something better with your time, busy man
2024-05-23 20:40:26	alad	at least don't give up in private
2024-05-23 20:40:39	alad	you're spamming the channel for days with your quest
2024-05-23 20:40:42	stewi	That's fair, but you need to stop and investigate the *first* issue, and understand the solution to it.
2024-05-23 20:41:11	mefistofeles	you're fat~
2024-05-23 20:41:12	mefistofeles	!
2024-05-23 20:41:48	alad	man get the hint and take a break
2024-05-23 20:42:31	mefistofeles	citizen: yeah, we appreciat eyour passion, but this channel isn't really your personal journal to log everything that happens :P
2024-05-23 20:42:42	alad	mefistofeles: your mum so fat she don't fit inside a FAT32 partition
2024-05-23 20:43:08	stewi	alad: not saying much
2024-05-23 20:43:17	alad	stewi: >:O
2024-05-23 20:46:38	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-05-23 20:47:49	UndeadLeech	Is it me or is the URI bar broken on Firefox/X11 with 126.0?
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2024-05-23 20:50:47	Namarrgon	"broken"?
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2024-05-23 20:53:03	chikuwasuka	UndeadLeech: i have no idea if it's related, but i just noticed i can't drag tabs anymore on firefox
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2024-05-23 20:55:23	UndeadLeech	Grabbing tabs works. But this is what my URI bar looks like: https://xn--z7x.xn--6frz82g/tmp/f/kt.png
2024-05-23 20:55:33	UndeadLeech	Tried it with a profile without custom UI too, same results.
2024-05-23 20:56:00	UndeadLeech	They position is just completely wrong.
2024-05-23 20:56:16	UndeadLeech	Again, I tried it with an empty profile and get the same results.
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2024-05-23 20:56:38	UndeadLeech	That's what a new profile is.
2024-05-23 20:56:44	UndeadLeech	There's no "users".
2024-05-23 20:57:10	UndeadLeech	Which WM?
2024-05-23 20:57:21	UndeadLeech	lol
2024-05-23 20:58:36	UndeadLeech	Ah actually I re-created my empty profile and that seems non-buggy.
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2024-05-23 20:59:07	UndeadLeech	Yeah I have an empty profile for testing, but I had to create a new empty one.
2024-05-23 20:59:15	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2024-05-23 20:59:36	UndeadLeech	Doesn't tell me what is actually wrong though, doesn't make sense.
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2024-05-23 21:01:03	chikuwasuka	okay so the dragging bug seems to be a think on firefox 126 + x11, doesn't happen on wayland
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2024-05-23 21:01:17	chikuwasuka	should be fixed in 127
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2024-05-23 21:03:06	linux_dream	hi guys I'm "fucked".  I bought and installed a new SSD (internal, M.2. format) today, and used Clonezilla to copy old SSD to the new one (bigger capacity), however the new SSD is not recognized as UEFI by my BIOS, and I cannot boot from it.  lsblk shows these lines: https://bpa.st/WCJQ      so this line: ├─nvme0n1p1 259:1    0
2024-05-23 21:03:07	linux_dream	512M  0 part        should be mounted as /boot   ,  and └─nvme0n1p2 259:2    0 232.4G  0 part /    should not  have the /  part I guess
2024-05-23 21:03:07	phrik	Title: View paste WCJQ (at bpa.st)
2024-05-23 21:03:51	linux_dream	how can I remedy? I want to switch to the new disk only, and possibly wipe out old SSD and use as other disk
2024-05-23 21:04:36	Namarrgon	Did you clone the fs UUIDs, too?
2024-05-23 21:04:52	linux_dream	Namarrgon I guess so. Clonezilla is supposed to do this I guess
2024-05-23 21:05:16	linux_dream	I also saw a command in the end of Clonezilla's work that it tried to run grub but failed (I don't use grub but systemd-something)
2024-05-23 21:05:16	Namarrgon	Then either remove the old ssd or change the UUIDs on one disk.
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2024-05-23 21:05:42	linux_dream	uh, I can  safely modify the UUID of a disk??
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2024-05-23 21:06:10	linux_dream	damn it looks like it mounted /boot of the old disk (so I can indeed boot) but it uses / from the new disk???
2024-05-23 21:06:27	linux_dream	I am confused. this is what lsblk shows actually
2024-05-23 21:06:56	Namarrgon	Since you have duplicate UUIDs now it's luck which one comes up first and gets used.
2024-05-23 21:07:13	linux_dream	I see
2024-05-23 21:07:21	Namarrgon	Are the PARTUUIDs duplicated, too?
2024-05-23 21:07:49	linux_dream	I don't remember these stuff Namarrgon but if my other disk  (the new one) is not recognized as UEFI, there is somthing wrong
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2024-05-23 21:08:06	Namarrgon	ls -l /dev/disk/by-partuuid
2024-05-23 21:09:12	linux_dream	Namarrgon this yields total 0              lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 May 23 18:29 43cd0bdb-9e99-4cfd-a0b5-3ec25c951c8b -> ../../sda1                             lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 May 23 18:29 bd72da9c-34b3-4740-890d-7d21487429a5 -> ../../sda2
2024-05-23 21:09:25	linux_dream	so they differ it seems, to me
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2024-05-23 21:09:50	Namarrgon	Is the new disk not partitioned with gpt?
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2024-05-23 21:10:18	linux_dream	I guess it should be: I dont know how Clonezilla did its job
2024-05-23 21:10:24	Namarrgon	"fdisk -l"
2024-05-23 21:10:41	Namarrgon	Clonezilla was probably overkill for this job.
2024-05-23 21:11:08	linux_dream	here's the output Namarrgon : https://bpa.st/FN6A
2024-05-23 21:11:09	phrik	Title: View paste FN6A (at bpa.st)
2024-05-23 21:11:25	Namarrgon	lsblk -fo +partuuid
2024-05-23 21:12:17	linux_dream	here's the output Namarrgon : https://bpa.st/YNAA
2024-05-23 21:12:18	phrik	Title: View paste YNAA (at bpa.st)
2024-05-23 21:12:38	linux_dream	it should be citizen, Clonezilla should do this
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2024-05-23 21:13:05	Namarrgon	linux_dream: What do you intend to do with the old ssd? Will it stay in this box?
2024-05-23 21:13:06	linux_dream	I am c onfused, the partuuid are the same here? wtf
2024-05-23 21:13:20	linux_dream	yes Namarrgon , I want to use as extension for now
2024-05-23 21:13:27	Namarrgon	It's not named 'clonezilla' for nothing.
2024-05-23 21:13:31	linux_dream	I will wipe it out once I know the new one works fine
2024-05-23 21:13:55	Namarrgon	Do you have a working archiso?
2024-05-23 21:14:02	linux_dream	well if it had made a  copy, my new ssd would be tagged as UEFI disk by the BIOS but it isn't
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2024-05-23 21:14:17	linux_dream	no Namarrgon  but I do have the clonezilla usb stick.
2024-05-23 21:14:20	Namarrgon	What does "tagged as UEFI" mean?
2024-05-23 21:14:35	Namarrgon	As long as you can still chroot into the system that's fine.
2024-05-23 21:14:44	linux_dream	in the BIOS settings when I select the device to boot on, the new SSD doesn't appear as  UEFI device
2024-05-23 21:14:48	Namarrgon	umount the old /boot and mount the new /boot
2024-05-23 21:15:25	linux_dream	I'll get an archiso on that usb
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2024-05-24 15:24:59	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XZ_q.txt
2024-05-24 15:25:00	phrik	Title: PrivateBin (at privatebin.at)
2024-05-24 15:26:41	Namarrgon	Did you forget about cryptdevice= again?
2024-05-24 15:26:59	Namarrgon	Since your /boot is not encrypted you don't need the cryptodisk support of grub
2024-05-24 15:27:15	gromit	Also is this still the same recovery procedure or are having outages every other day? 
2024-05-24 15:27:20	Namarrgon	Unless you changed the setup and nuked our original /boot fs and now /boot is part of /.
2024-05-24 15:27:27	Namarrgon	s/our/your/
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2024-05-24 15:38:01	tirnanog	bluetail: smartctl can produce json to begin with.
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2024-05-24 15:38:51	tirnanog	but why? it's pretty slow and clunky.
2024-05-24 15:38:55	tirnanog	here's another take on it: https://paste.wooledge.org/32665
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2024-05-24 15:39:03	jelle	bluetail: I don't see how hddtemp with json output is too bad
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2024-05-24 15:44:25	tirnanog	bluetail: hmm. maybe the attributes are different on your drives. would be curious to see a smartctl -i -A --json dump for any one of them.
2024-05-24 15:45:03	demonicm1niac1	do you just want the temps? those are generally in /sys/class/hwmon as well
2024-05-24 15:45:12	ldiamond1	What's a good package for filling PDF forms?
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2024-05-24 15:45:25	ldiamond1	Trying mupdf but can't see how to fill forms with it.
2024-05-24 15:45:29	bluetail	demonicm1niac1 nah I need temps and serial
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2024-05-24 15:45:35	bluetail	tirnanog https://0x0.st/XZ_j.txt
2024-05-24 15:45:39	demonicm1niac1	fair enough
2024-05-24 15:45:53	bluetail	wait, I need to paste with sudo
2024-05-24 15:46:08	tirnanog	bluetail: you have to give the device name too. like: smartctl -i -A --json /dev/sdc
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2024-05-24 15:48:35	bluetail	tirnanog https://0x0.st/XZ_2.txt
2024-05-24 15:48:53	tirnanog	thanks. I just tried hddtemp. it's not that bad, actually.
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2024-05-24 15:50:51	tirnanog	ok. it's attribute 194 for you, as expected. probably your transport isn't reported as "sata" then. that's the only reason that devs would end up empty. the smartctl execution and parsing aspect is still fine.
2024-05-24 15:51:48	bluetail	tirnanog its a supermicro x11sch-f server motherboard that has a 9305-24i HBA in IT mode attached to it
2024-05-24 15:52:06	tirnanog	aha.
2024-05-24 15:52:21	bluetail	the backplane connects the disks directly to the HBA, is that the reason why this is happening?
2024-05-24 15:52:21	jelle	I see a serial 
2024-05-24 15:52:38	tirnanog	bluetail: maybe. you could run lsblk -o +tran in isolation to see.
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2024-05-24 15:52:55	tirnanog	for a 'normal' system, the transport is usually shown as "sata".
2024-05-24 15:53:01	bluetail	jelle yea, I know. I didn't redact it. 
2024-05-24 15:53:11	bluetail	should I care more?
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2024-05-24 15:53:12	jelle	bluetail: I mean that is what you wanted no?
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2024-05-24 15:53:35	bluetail	tirnanog they report as sas
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2024-05-24 15:53:48	bluetail	jelle I do not have a issue
2024-05-24 15:53:57	bluetail	tirnanog is trying to improve what solution I already have
2024-05-24 15:54:01	tirnanog	that explains it. my script matches on "sata" as the transport.
2024-05-24 15:54:03	bluetail	For whatever reason :D
2024-05-24 15:54:16	tirnanog	well, I thought hddtemp was bad but I was mixing it up with something else. it's ok.
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2024-05-24 15:54:46	tirnanog	regardless, I thought it would be interesting to see if that information was reported by smartctl as json to begin with. that's how it came about.
2024-05-24 15:55:02	lolok	ldiamond1 i dont work much with pdf but there seem to be many options https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PDF,_PS_and_DjVu
2024-05-24 15:55:03	phrik	Title: PDF, PS and DjVu - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-24 15:55:09	bluetail	smartctl reports the min and max temperature in that script, thats the diff, I guess
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2024-05-24 15:55:27	tirnanog	yeah.
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2024-05-24 15:56:03	bluetail	I got one disk that reached 57C. Jeez. But all others are well below 50. Max operating temp is 75C. But I wanna stay in safe ranges
2024-05-24 15:56:33	bluetail	( and thats the reason I am doing this )
2024-05-24 15:57:07	bluetail	Currently benchmarking my system in my somewhat warm room (25 celsius) at low fan speeds, keeping it at a safe range, so that I am not annoyed by it in the office
2024-05-24 15:57:48	demonicm1niac1	nvme?
2024-05-24 15:57:59	bluetail	sata
2024-05-24 15:58:04	demonicm1niac1	ssd or hdd i meant
2024-05-24 15:58:08	bluetail	HDD
2024-05-24 15:58:19	bluetail	its sata, but connected via sas
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2024-05-24 15:58:41	demonicm1niac1	dang. i don't think i've ever seen a hdd rated for more than 60C :o
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2024-05-24 15:58:49	bluetail	let me double check!
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2024-05-24 16:00:33	bluetail	demonicm1niac1 its 55C
2024-05-24 16:00:44	bluetail	thanks for telling me :D
2024-05-24 16:00:54	demonicm1niac1	:D
2024-05-24 16:01:17	bluetail	I add 2 new fans today. Hope it improves it further under load.
2024-05-24 16:01:34	bluetail	Or I could wrap my head around IPMI fan profiles
2024-05-24 16:01:44	bluetail	currently, fan speed is fixed.
2024-05-24 16:02:38	demonicm1niac1	consider are the disks heating up or do you get hot air from cpu/gpu stuck in the case around the hdds heating them up
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2024-05-24 16:03:18	demonicm1niac1	oftentimes creating underpressure in the case to suck out warm air and prevent hot air pockets can help more than directly blowing over something
2024-05-24 16:03:50	bluetail	it would be the first rather
2024-05-24 16:04:16	bluetail	the air flow direction is sucking all air OUT the case at the rear
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2024-05-24 16:05:20	bluetail	o [MOBO] | [ HDD ]
2024-05-24 16:05:43	bluetail	I got 6 fans all sucking it out
2024-05-24 16:06:20	MacGyver	bluetail: And how many fans pushing new air in?
2024-05-24 16:07:06	bluetail	MacGyver they are all exhaust
2024-05-24 16:07:20	MacGyver	bluetail: That's unlikely to help then.
2024-05-24 16:07:33	MacGyver	You already *have* underpressure.
2024-05-24 16:07:53	MacGyver	Take some measurements, then move those two new ones to intake at the front.
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2024-05-24 16:08:09	bluetail	Will do
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2024-05-24 16:18:57	BrainDamage	there's strong asymmetry between sucking vs blowing wrt fluid dynamics, try blowing on your hand vs sucking air in, see how far you can feel either
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2024-05-24 16:19:28	BrainDamage	most of the flow when ingoing will come from the proximity, while when outgoing it'll go much farther in comparison
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2024-05-24 16:20:51	Khorne	more succ, more good
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2024-05-24 16:36:51	zulc22	hello, i'm trying to set up a VPN client (OpenVPN) with NetworkManager on a non-X machine
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2024-05-24 16:37:37	zulc22	i can't seem to figure out why exactly *no traffic* ever seems to go through tun0. everything just goes straight to the ethernet
2024-05-24 16:38:28	zulc22	whether i'm running a browser with X-forwarding or just `curl ip.me` nothing is indicating a VPN connection at all; public IP stays the same.
2024-05-24 16:38:30	lolok	since you asked i wound up using video= on the kernel command line MacGyver all of the other things seemed to only change the size of the console within the display rather than telling the display to change resolution. i suspect i need some way to trigger that ioctl i was reading about, which i dont have the time to deal with when the hack is good enuf
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2024-05-24 16:41:11	tirnanog	zulc22: keep in mind that "a VPN connection" doesn't necessarily have to imply "route everything to the peer on the other side of the established tunnel for every possible destination address/network". that might be where you've gone wrong.
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2024-05-24 16:41:45	zulc22	in my case I want to be routing everything except my LAN addresses
2024-05-24 16:42:24	zulc22	which would be 192.168.12.*
2024-05-24 16:42:33	zulc22	i'm not sure how exactly i'd be routing them though
2024-05-24 16:43:20	tirnanog	if I remember correctly, NetworkManager exposes an option for this, which maps to OpenVPN's "--redirect-gateway def1" option or similar.
2024-05-24 16:43:50	MacGyver	lolok: So you didn't actually get dynamic switching working?
2024-05-24 16:44:01	MacGyver	lolok: Shame.
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2024-05-24 16:44:16	MacGyver	lolok: Come to think of it, I wonder whether the termsize script would help there.
2024-05-24 16:44:18	MacGyver	lolok: Sec.
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2024-05-24 16:44:35	MacGyver	lolok: This monstrosity: <https://github.com/akkana/scripts/blob/master/termsize>
2024-05-24 16:45:08	MacGyver	lolok: But I doubt it.
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2024-05-24 16:47:15	tirnanog	zulc22: I think it's "Use this connection only for resources on this network". turn that off, if you see such an option.
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2024-05-24 16:48:03	Khorne	Why?
2024-05-24 16:48:46	Earnestly	MacGyver: GNU stty has cols N and rows N to tell the kernel how many rows/cols the terminal has
2024-05-24 16:49:03	Khorne	citizen, SET? As opposed to set?
2024-05-24 16:49:05	zulc22	tirnanog: i see it in nm-connection-editor under IPv4 & IPv6 routes; they're both already off
2024-05-24 16:49:32	lolok	yea i think this would be a way to break something else to align with the other thing i could break lol
2024-05-24 16:49:51	Earnestly	MacGyver: (Calls ioctl(0, TIOCGWINSZ, ...) and ioctl(0, TIOCSWINSZ, ...) which should obviate the the entire script)
2024-05-24 16:50:36	lolok	yea the ioctl was on /dev/fb0 not the tty device
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2024-05-24 16:50:52	Khorne	citizen, you have a separate encrypted root partition no?
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2024-05-24 16:50:58	tirnanog	zulc22: perhaps the opvnpn server isn't pushing any routes to you either.
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2024-05-24 16:51:33	Khorne	ROOT
2024-05-24 16:51:42	Khorne	If your root partition is fat32 you have other problems brother
2024-05-24 16:52:04	Khorne	is it a luks partition.
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2024-05-24 16:52:19	zulc22	tirnanog: i would certainly hope a paid service would be sending me routes... 
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2024-05-24 16:52:31	Khorne	ext2
2024-05-24 16:52:34	Khorne	what fucking year is it
2024-05-24 16:52:46	Earnestly	lolok: gnu stty has -F/--file to specify /dev/tty
2024-05-24 16:53:01	Khorne	citizen, well you need to specify the cryptdevice to unlock the root partition
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2024-05-24 16:53:15	Khorne	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#Configuring_the_boot_loader
2024-05-24 16:53:17	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Encrypting an entire system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-24 16:53:39	Khorne	Fuck knows what grub does
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2024-05-24 16:54:03	Khorne	Kernel parameter cryptdevice=device:mappingname
2024-05-24 16:54:12	tirnanog	zulc22: I don't know why it is insufficient in your case but the openvpn config option you want is "redirect-gateway def1".
2024-05-24 16:54:15	lolok	the terminal device is fine as long as i dont play with anything Earnestly what i would like to do is trigger kms to change display mode from console
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2024-05-24 16:56:17	Khorne	citizen, who set this up for you?
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2024-05-24 17:00:57	zulc22	it is Difficult to find config options for NetworkManager
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2024-05-24 17:01:56	Khorne	No
2024-05-24 17:02:10	Khorne	Please read the link I pasted
2024-05-24 17:02:10	tirnanog	zulc22: this is why I don't like it. you have NM - along with a plugin - abstracting awawy the details of how openvpn is configured. unfortunately, I can't be any more specific than this at the present time.
2024-05-24 17:02:40	zulc22	yeah which is fine
2024-05-24 17:03:02	Khorne	citizen, it's a kernel commandline so you want linux kernel device specifiers, cryptdevice=UUID=<uuid of luks container>:somearbirtraryname root=/dev/mapper/somearbitraryname
2024-05-24 17:03:19	tirnanog	zulc22: it presumably stashes an .ovpn file somewhere, or generates one.
2024-05-24 17:03:19	Khorne	yes
2024-05-24 17:03:22	Khorne	For example
2024-05-24 17:03:37	zulc22	i have an .ovpn file which i imported
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2024-05-24 17:22:53	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XZLK.txt
2024-05-24 17:22:53	phrik	Title: PrivateBin (at privatebin.at)
2024-05-24 17:23:40	adherry	good afternoon arch people. I have a question because i did not see a solution in the wiki. My system ran a fsck on boot, and after it was done scrolled up too fast that I did not see the result. I dont see the result in journald -b nor in dmesg. How can i get that output from boot time (using systemd-boot)
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2024-05-24 17:24:10	Namarrgon	Are you using the systemd-based initramfs?
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2024-05-24 17:25:42	Namarrgon	citizen: That was for adherry 
2024-05-24 17:25:58	adherry	how can I check.
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2024-05-24 17:26:18	Namarrgon	adherry: Check whether you use the udev/base or systemd hooks in mkinitcpio.conf.
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2024-05-24 17:27:51	Namarrgon	citizen: cryptdevice= is a kernel parameter, grub wouldn't know what to do with it.
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2024-05-24 17:28:11	Namarrgon	citizen: Post your fstab again.
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2024-05-24 17:28:47	adherry	HOOKS=(base udev autodetect keyboard keymap modconf block encrypt filesystems fsck) 
2024-05-24 17:29:00	adherry	looks like udev is used according to /etc/mkinitcpio.conf
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2024-05-24 17:29:07	Namarrgon	adherry: Then the fsck output is lost.
2024-05-24 17:29:11	adherry	damn
2024-05-24 17:29:13	Khorne	citizen, and it needs to be on the same line as the linux line.. doesn't look like it is. It also needs to be cryptdevice=UUID=<uuidofthedevice>:name
2024-05-24 17:29:20	adherry	well from teh fact it booted i assume whatever was broken was fixed
2024-05-24 17:29:23	Khorne	I dont know why I say the things if you ignore half of the stuff I say
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2024-05-24 17:29:51	Namarrgon	adherry: The kernel keeps a small log that journald harvests after the switch_root but there's no other logging that early in the boot.
2024-05-24 17:30:24	adherry	question, if i dont auto boot into kde, would i be able to scroll up on the tty in such cases or will i get a "fresh" one upon boot without the boot messages
2024-05-24 17:30:38	Namarrgon	adherry: It might have been just a regularly scheduled fsck, not necessarily because something was broken.
2024-05-24 17:30:52	Namarrgon	adherry: the linux console has no scrollback.
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2024-05-24 17:31:17	adherry	i mean it said fs errors: invalid_bkladdr
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2024-05-24 17:32:06	Namarrgon	Are you sure?
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2024-05-24 17:32:46	Namarrgon	Which filesystem type is that?
2024-05-24 17:32:47	adherry	gimme a second to remember how to strip image metadata and i send you a "screenshot"
2024-05-24 17:32:51	adherry	f2fs
2024-05-24 17:32:56	Namarrgon	Oh boy.
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2024-05-24 17:35:04	Namarrgon	Post the fstab to a paste service before you break it.
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2024-05-24 17:35:27	adherry	Namarrgon: you mean me or citizen 
2024-05-24 17:35:35	Namarrgon	citizen: 
2024-05-24 17:35:38	adherry	https://0x0.st/XZLb.jpg
2024-05-24 17:35:43	phrik	Title: PrivateBin (at privatebin.at)
2024-05-24 17:35:44	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XZLc.txt
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2024-05-24 17:36:46	adherry	btw what is citizens problem?
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2024-05-24 17:36:51	Khorne	yes.
2024-05-24 17:36:52	Namarrgon	So you see, you do have separate /boot and ESP partitions. Yesterday you claimed that to not be the case.
2024-05-24 17:37:03	Khorne	citizen, run lsblk 
2024-05-24 17:37:15	Khorne	I assume you are booted into a live iso by now
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2024-05-24 17:37:37	Khorne	citizen, hold on one fucking second until you udnerstand what youre doing
2024-05-24 17:37:42	Khorne	Which you are not currently
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2024-05-24 17:38:26	adherry	i should add evaluate systemd based initramfs to my list of things to try
2024-05-24 17:38:42	phrik	Title: PrivateBin (at privatebin.at)
2024-05-24 17:38:44	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XZLT.txt
2024-05-24 17:39:20	Khorne	citizen, and blkid?
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2024-05-24 17:40:05	Namarrgon	adherry: If you run fsck on it again it doesn't report the same error?
2024-05-24 17:40:13	Namarrgon	The problem with f2fs is that it needs a fsck on every kernel update.
2024-05-24 17:40:18	adherry	its the boot partition
2024-05-24 17:40:30	adherry	so the only way to check it is to boot from usb in that sense
2024-05-24 17:40:40	Namarrgon	hm?
2024-05-24 17:40:47	adherry	interesting, because according to that output it didnt for like the whole 6.8 era
2024-05-24 17:41:01	adherry	imean you cannot fsck / while / is mounted
2024-05-24 17:41:08	Namarrgon	You can umount /boot and run fsck on it.
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2024-05-24 17:41:47	Namarrgon	Why does your /boot get mounted (and fscked) on boot, though?
2024-05-24 17:42:48	adherry	i mean /boot is vfat
2024-05-24 17:43:02	adherry	so i assume it fsckd /
2024-05-24 17:43:14	phrik	Title: PrivateBin (at privatebin.at)
2024-05-24 17:43:14	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XZLu.txt
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2024-05-24 17:44:17	adherry	also with a size of 1.9tb it really feels like its / not /boot here
2024-05-24 17:44:51	Namarrgon	Then you shouldn't call it "boot partition", it will cause confusion.
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2024-05-24 17:46:48	Khorne	citizen, good, use the cryptdevice=UUID=f477c60f-03f8-49c5-aa31-368fee23585c:root root=/dev/mapper/root then as your kernel cmdline in the grub.cfg
2024-05-24 17:46:59	Khorne	appended
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2024-05-24 17:47:25	Khorne	Is fine
2024-05-24 17:47:37	Khorne	fstab doesn't need changes as far as I can tell
2024-05-24 17:47:43	Khorne	Not sure why you think it would
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2024-05-24 18:22:22	mefistofeles	can't build apptainers keep getting https://bpa.st/SUUA any ideas?
2024-05-24 18:22:23	phrik	Title: View paste SUUA (at bpa.st)
2024-05-24 18:22:58	gromit	mefistofeles: does the version from the repos not work for you? 
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2024-05-24 18:23:27	mefistofeles	gromit: that's the one I'm using
2024-05-24 18:23:55	gromit	mefistofeles: did you already try if rebuilding the package helps? 
2024-05-24 18:24:39	mefistofeles	gromit: hmm I just installed it
2024-05-24 18:24:50	mefistofeles	but will check
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2024-05-24 18:25:07	gromit	mefistofeles: you can also just open a bugreport, then we can sort out the rest there 
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2024-05-24 18:26:04	mefistofeles	gromit: yeah, that's probably something I should do, but now I have a deadline for this... will use github actions to build the images :P
2024-05-24 18:26:07	mefistofeles	thanks
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2024-05-24 18:31:26	Scimmia	which they shouldn't be
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2024-05-24 18:33:43	Scimmia	what would ever make you think that 'cryptdevice' is valid in fstab?
2024-05-24 18:34:17	Web_Anon	Finally got wayland to detect my god damn external monitor . Finally
2024-05-24 18:34:29	mefistofeles	Web_Anon: what was the problem?
2024-05-24 18:34:29	gehidore	probably the same thing that has them still looking at fstab to mount / to begin with despite days of being told to stop messing with fstab
2024-05-24 18:34:34	gehidore	Scimmia ^ ;)
2024-05-24 18:34:42	Web_Anon	Feeling pretty proud of myself troubleshooting the sht out of those conflicts
2024-05-24 18:34:56	gehidore	phrik give Web_Anon cookie
2024-05-24 18:34:57	phrik	Web_Anon: gehidore wanted you to have this cookie. 🍪
2024-05-24 18:35:02	Web_Anon	`Fixed it accidentally `
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2024-05-24 18:35:57	Web_Anon	now I just need to figure out how to disable the 1st monitors and get all my pacman and yay installs to work from KDE to Hyprland
2024-05-24 18:36:03	Web_Anon	😂
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2024-05-24 18:38:19	Khorne	citizen, no
2024-05-24 18:38:42	Khorne	cryptdevice does not belong in the fstab
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2024-05-24 18:39:07	Khorne	In your paste it is
2024-05-24 18:39:22	Khorne	Where
2024-05-24 18:39:49	Khorne	You did not need to change anything in the fstab
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2024-05-24 18:39:58	Khorne	And at this rate I can only assume you're maliciously doing this
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2024-05-24 18:40:37	Khorne	You have all the information you need to fix this, verbatimly copypasteable too, good luck, Do not ping me anymore.
2024-05-24 18:40:39	phrik	Title: PrivateBin (at privatebin.at)
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2024-05-24 18:42:37	Namarrgon	Your faffing around wastes everyone's time, including your own. Back up, and reinstall a simple setup that you can comprehend.
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2024-05-24 18:47:04	Khorne	citizen, 17:47       Khorne │ fstab doesn't need changes as far as I can tell
2024-05-24 18:47:11	Khorne	citizen, TO THE KERNEL COMMANDLINE
2024-05-24 18:47:13	Khorne	NOT TO THE FSTAB
2024-05-24 18:47:16	Khorne	NEVER FSTAB
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2024-05-24 18:48:07	Khorne	Well. We both agree and you don't know that the fstab is not the kernel commandline.
2024-05-24 18:48:22	Khorne	Can someone remove them?
2024-05-24 18:48:25	Khorne	Thanks
2024-05-24 18:48:36	Namarrgon	Yes, your situation is entirely your fault.
2024-05-24 18:49:05	Edu4rdSHL	Oh no, we are still on it.
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2024-05-24 18:51:54	greyltc	Hey Edu4rdSHL, would you mind having a look at my strace here https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/31219#issuecomment-2128018789 and giving your opinion on if I've got a qemu issue or a systemd-nspawn one?
2024-05-24 18:52:35	greyltc	citizen: I generally get my stuff all mounted properly manually then run `genfstab`
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2024-05-24 18:53:32	greyltc	actually, I prefer `genfstab -t PARTUUID`
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2024-05-24 18:55:03	phrik	Title: PrivateBin (at privatebin.at)
2024-05-24 18:55:23	greyltc	if you're hand editing genfstab, you're doing it differently than I am
2024-05-24 18:55:31	Edu4rdSHL	citizen, seriously, stop wasting people's time with something that you don't have a minimal idea about what you're doing.
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2024-05-24 18:55:35	greyltc	s/genfstab/fstab
2024-05-24 18:55:42	Edu4rdSHL	You've been with this for like 3 days now
2024-05-24 18:55:53	Edu4rdSHL	Someone should mute this user, seriously.
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2024-05-24 18:56:12	Edu4rdSHL	It's just spamming the chat and not investigating and doing anything
2024-05-24 18:56:58	dumbledoor	realtek wifi driver keeps on sending "failed to get tx report from firmware"  warning level messages to dmesg. what do?
2024-05-24 18:57:22	Edu4rdSHL	Do they cause any harm?
2024-05-24 18:57:26	Edu4rdSHL	If not, ignore them
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2024-05-24 18:58:30	dumbledoor	Edu4rd: i don't notice anything wrong with the internet speeds, but these messages come 5 times every minute. can they be causing some problems i am unaware of?
2024-05-24 18:58:34	dumbledoor	what can i check?
2024-05-24 18:59:27	Edu4rdSHL	They don't case any problem, it's just an informational message
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2024-05-24 19:00:13	dumbledoor	Edu4rd: is this a common problem in realtek drivers or are you aware of other drivers also having this problem?
2024-05-24 19:00:24	Edu4rdSHL	dumbledoor, yes, it's common
2024-05-24 19:00:44	dumbledoor	do you get these?
2024-05-24 19:01:01	Edu4rdSHL	Search in google and you can see it's common
2024-05-24 19:01:21	Edu4rdSHL	Again, that's usually harmless, just ignore it
2024-05-24 19:01:33	Edu4rdSHL	It's some firmware bug
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2024-05-24 19:02:13	dumbledoor	firmware: is that a part of my laptop or my network hardware drive?
2024-05-24 19:02:49	Edu4rdSHL	It's part of the network chipset
2024-05-24 19:03:07	Edu4rdSHL	dumbledoor, are you using ArchLinux?
2024-05-24 19:03:12	snoriman	Hi! I'm trying to start an android emulator device (which I've done many times before) but sometimes it fails to start. I just noticed this message in the logs https://gist.github.com/samsnori/e34ed7cb8ca5fa1bd4a9921c1d99ac68 `ioctl(KVM_CREATE_VM) failed: 16 Device or resource busy` and curious if someone maybe knows how to fix this? When I reboot things work fine again, so I can do that but I
2024-05-24 19:03:13	dumbledoor	yes
2024-05-24 19:03:14	snoriman	would love to know how to fix this w/o rebooting. 
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2024-05-24 19:03:43	Edu4rdSHL	snoriman, shutting down the VM properly
2024-05-24 19:03:48	gehidore	^^^
2024-05-24 19:04:20	snoriman	Edu4rdSHL: :) so something shutdown the VM; now sure what tbh. 
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2024-05-24 19:05:05	snoriman	is there a way to restart it w/o the need to reboot?
2024-05-24 19:05:41	Edu4rdSHL	Is it using libvirtd, I assume?
2024-05-24 19:05:51	Edu4rdSHL	If so, check `virsh`
2024-05-24 19:06:06	MacGyver	Gonna depend on which device or resource is busy.
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2024-05-24 19:06:41	snoriman	ok, it's android studio that starts the emulator.
2024-05-24 19:06:41	MacGyver	I had a misbehaving PCIe USB controller for which it would suffice to kick it off and back onto the XHCI module.
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2024-05-24 19:07:00	MacGyver	But figuring that one out...
2024-05-24 19:07:04	snoriman	yeah 
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2024-05-24 19:07:11	snoriman	Ok, reboot it is for now 
2024-05-24 19:07:17	dumbledoor	thanks Edu4rdSHL
2024-05-24 19:07:20	snoriman	brb
2024-05-24 19:07:29	MacGyver	You probably need to look at the system journal, see what's different between runs after which you *can*, and *cannot* start it again.
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2024-05-24 19:18:09	snoriman	:( in all other cases a reboot did the trick; now I get "Unable to launch Pixel XL... - /dev/kvm not found" 
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2024-05-24 19:21:55	⚡ 	snoriman going to check the bios
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2024-05-24 19:26:15	low-key	using pipewire on arch and find the volume to be lower than it is on windows
2024-05-24 19:26:38	low-key	arch wiki said use alsamixer to ensure that the ALSA volumes are at 100% for the proper soundcard
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2024-05-24 19:27:40	low-key	i'm confused about which is the proper soundcard
2024-05-24 19:27:46	low-key	alsactl info returns
2024-05-24 19:28:10	snoriman	ok... so what I did: `modprobe kvm`, reboot open bios, disable KVM, boot: tada it works again. Can someone explain why?
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2024-05-24 19:28:52	low-key	https://paste.sr.ht/~low-key/54a3d299ffdb80d597ba8fe36c3d2abf89e2396b
2024-05-24 19:28:54	phrik	Title: alsactl — paste.sr.ht (at paste.sr.ht)
2024-05-24 19:29:12	citizen_	ty Khorne I think i know where i became confused: when you stated 10:57 < Khorne> the cryptdevice=UUID= parameter needs the UUID of the LUKS container
2024-05-24 19:29:25	low-key	am i right in interpreting that as there being only one sound card?
2024-05-24 19:29:25	citizen_	i was not sure if you were speaking of grub.cfg or the fstab
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2024-05-24 19:29:48	low-key	alsamixer shows HDA ATI HDMI and 2 HD-Audio Generics
2024-05-24 19:29:56	citizen_	thus whey i ran the same command inside fstab as grub
2024-05-24 19:30:02	citizen_	and thus why Scimmia pointed it out
2024-05-24 19:30:21	citizen_	took a moment to finally cath this, mind is not as quick as others here, but again ty
2024-05-24 19:30:29	low-key	but upon selecting HDA ATI HDMI, the screen doesn't let me set any volume to 100
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2024-05-24 19:32:01	citizen_	and Edu4rdSHL, I dont think it was necessary to jump on me about my lack of understanding. This is a place for help. maybe split the chat into begginers, advanced?
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2024-05-24 19:34:23	citizen_	Namidairo: love ya, but stop pushing people to other distros, if we wanted other distros we would go that route. I just dont like to be limited as am sure you dont either
2024-05-24 19:34:28	citizen_	Namarrgon: ^^
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2024-05-24 19:52:02	teraflops	citizen_: you have been spamming the channel for 3 days, honestly, I'm sick of reading walls of text after your name 
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2024-05-24 19:52:12	citizen_	GRUB_PRELOAD_MODULES="cryptodisk"
2024-05-24 19:52:14	citizen_	hmm
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2024-05-24 19:54:03	citizen_	you are right teraflops, lots of work been done over the last 3 days. more to continue. not sure would call it spam, that would be an insult, no?
2024-05-24 19:54:35	teraflops	please do not change your nick anymore that is evading my /ignore
2024-05-24 19:54:44	citizen_	gfy tera
2024-05-24 19:54:53	citizen_	thinks i did that on for him
2024-05-24 19:54:56	teraflops	you are so kind
2024-05-24 19:54:57	citizen_	the nerve of some people
2024-05-24 19:54:59	citizen_	ffs
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2024-05-24 19:57:25	naught	imaging taking irc seriously
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2024-05-24 19:58:36	lolok	we can only help with a system we understand; since you used someone elses configure script to install, you dont understand the system well enuf to explain it to us properly. we want to help you, we just cant
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2024-05-24 19:59:44	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [+o Namarrgon] by ChanServ
2024-05-24 19:59:46	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [+q $a:citazen] by Namarrgon
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2024-05-24 20:00:23	@Namarrgon	citizen_: Ping me when the brainfog has cleared, until then try to learn some basics.
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2024-05-24 20:01:44	lolok	whoever made arco
2024-05-24 20:02:17	MacGyver	lolok: There's a website that can answer that kind of question.
2024-05-24 20:02:55	lolok	lol its not my answer
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2024-05-24 20:05:16	MacGyver	lolok: Oh, that wasn't a question missing a question mark.
2024-05-24 20:05:21	MacGyver	lolok: Nvm :P
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2024-05-24 20:11:42	lolok	8D
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2024-05-24 20:22:11	greyltc	It would/will be cool to see a wsl port if/when arch linux ports becomes a thing!
2024-05-24 20:22:39	greyltc	I love the ports initiative a lot
2024-05-24 20:23:16	arsaces	greyltc: wsl port of what?
2024-05-24 20:23:32	lolok	https://github.com/yuk7/ArchWSL
2024-05-24 20:23:49	lolok	never used it just google first hit
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2024-05-24 20:24:28	arsaces	if you have an arch docker image, you can use this guide to convert it to a wsl 2 image: https://wsl.dev/mobyrhel8/
2024-05-24 20:24:29	phrik	Title: WSL2+RHEL8: The Whale with the Red Hat :: ~/wsl.dev — Get your Linux On (at wsl.dev)
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2024-05-24 20:25:57	arsaces	i did it for rocky linux 9
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2024-05-24 20:28:43	lolok	cant you make wsl mount an actual linux partition? i swear i did that once many years ago, but i have only vague memories of those times
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2024-05-24 20:29:24	teraflops	I've run arch linux in wls2, cannot recall the details tho, been some time 
2024-05-24 20:29:29	teraflops	wsl2
2024-05-24 20:29:40	arsaces	you can mount partitions/disks to wsl 2
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2024-05-24 20:51:47	jl2	Hi, sway will crash like 75% of the time when I enable bluetooth, the systemd service says it was killed because it didn't respont to sigterm
2024-05-24 20:52:23	jl2	also, some of my info-gathering scripts would sometimes coredump, but I don't think that's related
2024-05-24 20:52:50	jl2	But when I disable bluetooth, it doesn't crash anymore
2024-05-24 20:53:00	bluetail	jl2 what chipset
2024-05-24 20:53:16	bluetail	or rather what dongle if you use one
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2024-05-24 20:53:48	bluetail	I remember getting a wifi+bluetooth thingy and only one worked at a time, or would cause otherwise crashes
2024-05-24 20:53:51	bluetail	or other issues
2024-05-24 20:54:03	bluetail	does it not happen in any other window manager?
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2024-05-24 20:54:29	bluetail	wait, #sway wrong chan
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2024-05-24 20:55:09	rcf	bluetail: you can ask about sway here as long as it’s on arch 
2024-05-24 20:55:18	bluetail	ah ok
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2024-05-24 20:56:07	bluetail	might be a bit of a rant, but sway was my hope for wayland. On my amd system its simply unstable. On my other system its at least not losing its session ...
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2024-05-24 20:56:30	bluetail	I must do something that ticks it off :D
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2024-05-24 21:04:29	jl2	bluetail dunno but it's deffinatly wifi+bt on one chip, and I can remember that fiasco with those chips somewhere, but that was HW
2024-05-24 21:05:21	jl2	And it didn't happen until I like a week ago, but to be fair I didn't use BT for the last couple of months or so
2024-05-24 21:05:47	bluetail	maybe look at your sway folder
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2024-05-24 21:06:02	bluetail	do u keep track of what changed via git
2024-05-24 21:06:07	bluetail	and did u try to downgrade sway?
2024-05-24 21:06:20	bluetail	also for your config...
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2024-05-24 21:07:19	jl2	bluetail: I can try downgrading, but no, I don't keep track of my sway configs (yet, I'm in the process of setting it up)
2024-05-24 21:07:40	jl2	I should maybe try if it happens from the TTY too
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2024-05-24 21:09:27	jl2	I use rfkill toggle bluetooth to toggle it
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2024-05-24 21:09:53	bluetail	jl2 I had different types of issues with wayland implementations so far that were showstoppers for me... one was cause sway 'triggered' mesa to reset amdgpu or something, and the other was that regularly, my inputs were dropped ingame and the played back again. Similar to when I had a workspace open with a video, and as soon as I switched back to
2024-05-24 21:09:53	bluetail	it, it 'catched up'. 
2024-05-24 21:09:56	jl2	and hell no I think I somehow got rid of the source code for my gatherers, fuck
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2024-05-24 21:10:40	jl2	Well at least I don't have that problem
2024-05-24 21:10:43	bluetail	the lower prio ones were that older games didnt work in wine, and felt a bit more input lag just blackscreen, but I didnt dare to 'fix' it
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2024-05-24 21:11:28	bluetail	jl2 u could use borgbase or a hetzner storagebox for backups...
2024-05-24 21:11:42	bluetail	ofc also works locally [...] 
2024-05-24 21:12:39	jl2	bluetail: the reason I was setting up git, so I could just push the changes to gitlab, even though the main reason was to share my dotfiles for a unixporn post
2024-05-24 21:12:48	jl2	*git dotfiles
2024-05-24 21:13:41	jl2	Man I'm stupid I just reallized I haven't had any code in that folder, pheeeeew
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2024-05-24 21:15:16	bluetail	jl2 I suggest some rigorous training :D
2024-05-24 21:15:46	bluetail	have somebody format your disk on random days throughout the year
2024-05-24 21:15:54	bluetail	you will find out ways to restore your stuff, quickly
2024-05-24 21:15:59	⚡ 	rcf deletes bluetail fully intentionally, as a demonstration
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2024-05-24 21:16:20	bluetail	or just /boot
2024-05-24 21:16:36	bluetail	I mean, mkinitcpio was long broken in arch for my cpu, so it broke randomly and did the same thing for me :D
2024-05-24 21:16:43	bluetail	I should have read the error it spit out tho
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2024-05-24 21:17:15	jl2	Now you're getting somewhere, my windows partition decided to do a recovery screen again today, let's hope it's not too serious
2024-05-24 21:17:40	bluetail	jl2 I *had* a windows EFI entry
2024-05-24 21:17:43	jl2	unattended system upgrades HUH?
2024-05-24 21:17:48	bluetail	my bios tried to boot it with my windows disk unplugged
2024-05-24 21:17:58	bluetail	it immediately broke my /boot of my archlinux install
2024-05-24 21:18:27	bluetail	no more windows allowed here :D
2024-05-24 21:19:27	jl2	:D my bios will occassionally wipe the entries, and I always copy over the systemd-boot binary to the fallback, just in case windows did it again :)
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2024-05-24 21:19:52	jl2	and good choice on no windows :)
2024-05-24 21:22:35	kompowiec2	saytime package which speaks the current time through your sound card , has been written, I hope that tomorrow I will be able to understand how to post it to AUR. I also plan to write package for AI horde https://aihorde.net/ https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/GIKvVKe9/PKGBULID
2024-05-24 21:22:36	phrik	Title: AI Horde (at aihorde.net)
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2024-05-24 21:32:18	SparFuxXx	Hi! Is there an easy way to check which network managers do magic on my archlinux install in Gnome? NetworkManager isn't installed. But Gnome presents a menu on the upper right to choose wifi for example.
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2024-05-24 21:38:30	ℹ 	Topic set by phrik (~phrik@phrik.archlinux.org) on Sat, 10 Feb 2024 18:25:44
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2024-05-24 21:45:09	gehidore	does it actually work?
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2024-05-24 21:46:31	monr0e	sparfuxxx gnome's built-in tool is designed for NetworkManager iirc
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2024-05-24 21:47:05	monr0e	if you wanna check, try a basic nmcli command and see if it works
2024-05-24 21:47:09	monr0e	nmcli device wifi list
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2024-05-24 21:47:24	SparFuxXx	Ok, so using Gnome it's recommended to use NetworkManager?
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2024-05-24 21:48:11	monr0e	no idea, I don't use gnome. NetworkManager is indeed maintained by the Gnome project though
2024-05-24 21:48:16	SparFuxXx	Ah, yes. NetworkManager seems to be installed here.
2024-05-24 21:48:24	gehidore	-_-
2024-05-24 21:48:25	SparFuxXx	monr0e, Thanks!
2024-05-24 21:48:33	gehidore	what made you think it wasn't installed?
2024-05-24 21:48:39	gehidore	cause you literally just told us it wasn't
2024-05-24 21:49:02	monr0e	he was probably thinking of network-manager-applet
2024-05-24 21:49:09	gehidore	x.X
2024-05-24 21:49:10	SparFuxXx	gehidore, I tried "systemctl status NetworkManager" and it failed, I suppose it might be a typo. It now works. So.
2024-05-24 21:49:24	gehidore	fun times
2024-05-24 21:49:37	gehidore	fwiw systemctl doesn't tell you if it's installed, it tells you if it's loaded
2024-05-24 21:50:13	monr0e	if you really want to look at all the stuff that might be doing the do with your network, you can get a list of running services with systemctl --type=service
2024-05-24 21:50:15	SparFuxXx	I am afraid installing netowrk stuff may interfere with each other doing magic configuration.
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2024-05-24 21:51:00	monr0e	It can, but if you haven't done anything apart from follow the installation guide or use the python script, you have NetworkManager
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2024-05-24 21:52:11	SparFuxXx	monr0e, Ok, thanks.
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2024-05-24 22:13:29	jl2	Yay, my dotties repo, finally done! https://gitlab.com/jlo62/dotties
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2024-05-24 22:14:55	jl2	!gn
2024-05-24 22:14:56	phrik	Good night to all from jl2!
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2024-05-24 22:17:13	pulsar12	is there any disvantage to use "make -j 4" when building linux kernel?
2024-05-24 22:17:19	Edu4rdSHL	Yes
2024-05-24 22:17:25	Edu4rdSHL	Not using -j 32
2024-05-24 22:17:28	Edu4rdSHL	:p
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2024-05-24 22:17:33	pulsar12	that was fast xD
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2024-05-24 22:17:41	MacGyver	Not if you're using -j 4.
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2024-05-24 22:18:06	pulsar12	i ask because I see "linux-mainline-git" AUR package no using this option and wondered why not
2024-05-24 22:18:32	gaku	pulsar12: typically the -j$cores option is on makepkg.conf?
2024-05-24 22:18:56	gaku	I just put a -j$(nproc) and call it a day
2024-05-24 22:19:06	MacGyver	pulsar12: It would be a packaging issue if it set a -j value for anything other than build errors on higher values.
2024-05-24 22:19:15	@Namarrgon	PKGBUILDs shouldn't make that choice unless there is an issue with the build system and they have to limit to e.g. 1
2024-05-24 22:19:23	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [-o Namarrgon] by ChanServ
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2024-05-24 22:19:40	demonicm1niac1	i hate custom buildsystems upstream that just default to nproc
2024-05-24 22:19:57	demonicm1niac1	there's valid reasons to not want that say if you have < 32gb ram
2024-05-24 22:19:59	⚡ 	gehidore sets upstream to nproc + 5
2024-05-24 22:20:16	pulsar12	build() {
2024-05-24 22:20:17	pulsar12	  cd $_srcname
2024-05-24 22:20:19	pulsar12	  make all
2024-05-24 22:20:20	pulsar12	}
2024-05-24 22:20:23	MacGyver	pulsar12: It's up to you to set the right value in MAKEFLAGS in your makepkg.conf
2024-05-24 22:20:43	MacGyver	pulsar12: What constitutes the right value is system-dependent.
2024-05-24 22:20:53	MacGyver	pulsar12: Hence, the PKGBUILD *must not do it*.
2024-05-24 22:21:16	gaku	demonicm1niac1: tbf, building certain things on weak hardware/low ram is either a pain or plain impossible
2024-05-24 22:21:20	pulsar12	ok, so its kind of a environment variable that make will make use of?
2024-05-24 22:21:27	MacGyver	Not "kind of".
2024-05-24 22:21:30	MacGyver	Literally.
2024-05-24 22:21:32	gaku	reason why I setup my new daily driver with 48GiB of ram
2024-05-24 22:21:37	pulsar12	ok :D
2024-05-24 22:21:55	gaku	fricking aur/librewolf will eat all yer ram on the linker stage then OOM
2024-05-24 22:22:49	MacGyver	pulsar12: You can, of course, decide to override it in the PKGBUILD *yourself* to make an exception if, e.g., most of your AUR packages build with one makepkg.conf setting -j 32 but for one you have not enough RAM.
2024-05-24 22:23:06	MacGyver	pulsar12: But the PKGBUILD should not ship that way, because then it will override it on *all* systems, not just yours.
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2024-05-24 22:23:36	demonicm1niac1	gaku: that's not an excuse to default to nproc and not honor makeflags
2024-05-24 22:23:39	gaku	slightly unrelated, why I put [1]this override.conf on /etc/systemd/system.control/devtools.slice.d [1]https://0x0.st/XsVh.txt
2024-05-24 22:23:39	pulsar12	got it. i didn't know there was a  MAKEFLAGS to set this
2024-05-24 22:24:28	gaku	demonicm1niac1: not saying that's alright tho, overriding a buildsystem's makeflags is just asking for troubles
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2024-05-24 22:24:44	pulsar12	i see it is commented in makepkg.conf, so that means it will use -j1 by default?
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2024-05-24 22:42:21	Antiz	pulsar12: yup
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2024-05-25 11:45:16	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-25 11:45:16	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1434 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1434 regular)
2024-05-25 00:58:31	GuiToris	I see
2024-05-25 00:58:33	GuiToris	thank you
2024-05-25 00:58:58	oak3	you're welcome :)
2024-05-25 01:07:21	nigetilly	ok here i am
2024-05-25 01:07:44	rcf	!give nigetilly welcome 
2024-05-25 01:07:45	phrik	nigetilly: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2024-05-25 01:07:55	nigetilly	lol
2024-05-25 01:08:07	nigetilly	it started about 10 years ago
2024-05-25 01:08:26	nigetilly	i noticed this started fucking up in my life
2024-05-25 01:08:33	nigetilly	and from there it just got worse
2024-05-25 01:08:40	rcf	After the years lost to gas fumes but before your Wayland adventures, ideally 
2024-05-25 01:08:56	nigetilly	arhhh
2024-05-25 01:09:22	nigetilly	so when you do a update from arch doesnt it just update to wayland
2024-05-25 01:10:58	rcf	Arch updates will include Wayland functionality, but you’d need to be more specific. A DE might switch to a default Wayland session, but I’d need to know which one 
2024-05-25 01:11:25	nigetilly	how would one know
2024-05-25 01:12:03	rcf	Which one do you use?
2024-05-25 01:12:14	rcf	GNOME? KDE?
2024-05-25 01:12:29	nigetilly	i use kde
2024-05-25 01:12:37	nigetilly	kde plasma
2024-05-25 01:12:54	rcf	And what starts it?
2024-05-25 01:13:07	rcf	SDDM?
2024-05-25 01:13:16	nigetilly	i have no idea
2024-05-25 01:13:42	nigetilly	whats SDDM
2024-05-25 01:13:54	rcf	You installed it at some point
2024-05-25 01:13:59	nigetilly	yea 
2024-05-25 01:14:04	cloudowind	:)
2024-05-25 01:14:37	nigetilly	i just used the wiki
2024-05-25 01:14:42	rcf	In any case, you can pick the session type from the menu on the top right before you log in 
2024-05-25 01:14:44	nigetilly	and done what it told me
2024-05-25 01:14:52	nigetilly	oh
2024-05-25 01:15:19	nigetilly	well by default i pretty sure its wayload
2024-05-25 01:15:22	nigetilly	wayland
2024-05-25 01:15:28	rcf	For now they still nominally support X, if Wayland is too buggy.
2024-05-25 01:15:42	kode54	WhyNotHugo: do you use an Xorg session?
2024-05-25 01:15:50	nigetilly	arhhh
2024-05-25 01:15:58	nigetilly	now im understanding
2024-05-25 01:16:19	nigetilly	ok ok
2024-05-25 01:16:50	nigetilly	i didnt realise that was a option at login
2024-05-25 01:16:57	nigetilly	never noticed it
2024-05-25 01:17:32	nigetilly	we have made progress
2024-05-25 01:18:13	nigetilly	so your saying install the drivers under X
2024-05-25 01:18:16	nigetilly	not wayland
2024-05-25 01:19:54	rcf	Which drivers 
2024-05-25 01:20:19	nigetilly	GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 3GB
2024-05-25 01:24:10	rcf	I’d install the drivers as the wiki says to. If that’s old enough to require the ones that only work with X, you may have to do this 
2024-05-25 01:29:53	MrElendig	plain nvidia package is the correct one
2024-05-25 01:30:55	nigetilly	ko
2024-05-25 01:30:56	nigetilly	ok
2024-05-25 01:31:13	nigetilly	it def dont work on wayland
2024-05-25 01:31:27	MrElendig	it works, just somewhat badly
2024-05-25 01:31:48	MrElendig	or sub optimal, depending on the compositor
2024-05-25 01:34:27	nigetilly	well my whole screen
2024-05-25 01:34:40	nigetilly	goes into a state of not being able to use it
2024-05-25 01:35:05	nigetilly	or press on anything as the screen is so distorted 
2024-05-25 01:35:23	MrElendig	kde?
2024-05-25 01:36:40	nigetilly	kde
2024-05-25 01:37:05	MrElendig	yea that is a kde problem not a nvidia problem
2024-05-25 01:42:04	mcoffin	Wow... idk if I just had the weirdest boot I've ever had or what happened... but I've never seen this before to the point where I thought the functionality was guaranteed
2024-05-25 01:42:22	mcoffin	/sys/class/drm/card0 doesn't pair with renderD128
2024-05-25 01:42:38	mcoffin	card1<->renderD128 and card0<->renderD129
2024-05-25 01:43:28	mcoffin	is that supposed to be able to happen? I gues I'd just assumed not given past behavior, but maybe this is supposed to be allowable?
2024-05-25 01:46:15	mcoffin	for clarity - https://paste.sr.ht/~mcoffin/c5a0a1232a53fc0796d1112a1e3e8b61a6804666 - notice that card0 and renderD128 (usually a primary/render pair), belong to different devices, and the inverse for card1/renderD129
2024-05-25 01:46:16	phrik	Title: render mismatch — paste.sr.ht (at paste.sr.ht)
2024-05-25 02:32:46	krux02	is there a way to get libjpeg.so.62 on arch? I have an old software that requires it and I would like to get it running again
2024-05-25 02:35:29	krux02	all I found is this: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=160010
2024-05-25 02:35:30	phrik	Title: [Solved] Clonk-Rage - libjpeg.so.62 Missing / Multimedia and Games / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-05-25 02:35:35	krux02	but by now that link is broken
2024-05-25 02:43:10	Namarrgon	krux02: pacman -Ss jpeg6
2024-05-25 02:47:06	Namarrgon	It would be nice if the display outputs wouldn't randomly change names.
2024-05-25 02:48:47	⚡ 	rcf stops randomly changing Namarrgon's monitor firmware
2024-05-25 02:49:06	Namarrgon	please, stop wiggling the cables
2024-05-25 02:53:08	krux02	Namarrgon, thanks a lot, I found it and it does work now
2024-05-25 02:54:12	Namarrgon	If you know the filename you can also feed it into pacman -F.
2024-05-25 03:02:59	talismanick	when running `vdpauinfo` to try to troubleshoot a (possible) lack of HW acceleration, I got
2024-05-25 03:03:01	talismanick	Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2024-05-25 03:03:09	talismanick	even though I'm on an AMD laptop
2024-05-25 03:03:39	talismanick	running Sway, and not sure if this tool works on Wayland or not from what I've read so far
2024-05-25 03:05:18	talismanick	https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/VDPAU says the library is (or was, at the time of writing) hardcoded to NVidia
2024-05-25 03:05:20	phrik	Title: VDPAU - Gentoo Wiki (at wiki.gentoo.org)
2024-05-25 03:05:44	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Hardware_video_acceleration
2024-05-25 03:05:44	phrik	Title: Hardware video acceleration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-25 03:05:52	talismanick	and gives instructions on how to fix it by finding the driver you need to symlink to... for X
2024-05-25 03:06:08	Namarrgon	You don't need to symlink anything.
2024-05-25 03:06:14	talismanick	Namarrgon: unfortunately, no help there - it just says "run vdpau"
2024-05-25 03:06:24	talismanick	err, vdpauinfo
2024-05-25 03:06:32	talismanick	which, if you'll notice, hasn't worked out just yet
2024-05-25 03:06:33	Namarrgon	It also tells you what packages to install when you want to use vdpau on amd/ati
2024-05-25 03:06:45	talismanick	yes, I have them installed
2024-05-25 03:06:54	talismanick	that page was the first place I went
2024-05-25 03:11:14	Namarrgon	pacman -Ql mesa-vdpau, then set the VDPAU_DRIVER envvar to the driver supporting your gpu.
2024-05-25 03:14:55	talismanick	well, I'm not sure which one I should be/am using
2024-05-25 03:15:48	Namarrgon	Either r600 or radeonsi, since you use an amd gpu.
2024-05-25 03:16:16	talismanick	so radeonsi is the same as gallium, then?
2024-05-25 03:16:41	Namarrgon	No, gallium is something different.
2024-05-25 04:11:17	tb0n3	should I bother installing arch from an old install, or should I just use the boot media?
2024-05-25 04:11:44	tb0n3	It's getting a bit long in the tooth and things aren't quite right. Wanted to start fresh with a sane partition layout
2024-05-25 04:18:53	archdemon	fresh install it is
2024-05-25 04:19:02	archdemon	i think you answered your own question
2024-05-25 04:19:56	tb0n3	I wasn't sure where the install would pull from, whether it relied exclusively on pacman or used existing files from the installation media
2024-05-25 04:20:23	archdemon	well even if it did pull from the install you can just update it 
2024-05-25 04:20:29	archdemon	after you got it installed
2024-05-25 04:21:23	Namarrgon	With pacstrap you have to be careful not to copy over the host's pacman.conf, keyring and mirrorlist, everything else will be pulled from fresh packages.
2024-05-25 07:02:31	pushrad	!paste
2024-05-25 07:02:32	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-05-25 07:04:44	pushrad	why does my tor browser look so bad? https://paste.rs/pbFPg.png
2024-05-25 07:05:58	ana_briated	pushrad: probably defaulting to a serif font
2024-05-25 07:06:06	pushrad	how do i change that? ana_briated 
2024-05-25 07:06:31	ana_briated	there should be a search bar in the settings page, look up fonts
2024-05-25 07:06:59	ana_briated	if the default is already set to sans-serif or sans
2024-05-25 07:07:23	ana_briated	then it could be your operating system, but since you posted just browser, I'm inclined to guess it's browser specific
2024-05-25 07:09:14	glitsj16	it still is a firefox ESR so you can change stuff the usual way (which might not be something you'd want to do)
2024-05-25 07:09:19	BrainDamage	it's not a simple topic unfortunatelly
2024-05-25 07:09:55	pushrad	i fiddled with all the font settings i could find, still no dice though
2024-05-25 07:09:59	ana_briated	uh oh
2024-05-25 07:10:11	BrainDamage	several browser fingerprinting schemes involve rendering a piece of text, hashing, and sending it back to the source
2024-05-25 07:10:13	pushrad	it seems those settings are just for web pages not the browser itself
2024-05-25 07:10:45	BrainDamage	if you change font settings, there's a good chance you throw in the trash a great deal of anonimity that the tor browser would offer you
2024-05-25 07:10:48	ana_briated	pushrad: any text in the menus or toolbars are not part of rendered web pages
2024-05-25 07:11:15	pushrad	yeah i figured
2024-05-25 07:11:27	ana_briated	also true that font setting are very good fingerprinting data
2024-05-25 07:12:02	glitsj16	pushrad: oh, that would need a different GTK theme I guess
2024-05-25 07:12:36	BrainDamage	mmm, if it's the browser ui, then indeed it depends on the gtk theme
2024-05-25 07:12:51	BrainDamage	and shoud be ok to change, to the extent of my knowledge
2024-05-25 07:13:13	pushrad	https://paste.rs/kIHh7.png
2024-05-25 07:13:30	glitsj16	that's how I drr that too BrainDamage, anything internal I would recommend NOT touching
2024-05-25 07:13:49	glitsj16	s/drr/see/
2024-05-25 07:13:54	ana_briated	DDR
2024-05-25 07:14:03	pushrad	LPDDR4
2024-05-25 07:14:04	ana_briated	Dance Dance Revolution
2024-05-25 07:14:18	glitsj16	heh, stasifox!
2024-05-25 07:14:51	ana_briated	pushrad: nothing obviously wrong with your font settings there
2024-05-25 07:15:00	ana_briated	this is quite a myster
2024-05-25 07:15:01	ana_briated	y
2024-05-25 07:15:20	BrainDamage	pushrad: if you switch the theme in ff settings to "system theme", does it make a difference?
2024-05-25 07:15:46	BrainDamage	it's also entirely possible that tor browser also overrides the ui font for some edritch reason
2024-05-25 07:15:59	BrainDamage	as in, that looks like the default gtk theme
2024-05-25 07:16:19	pushrad	BrainDamage i don't see any theme setting, even when i search in the settings
2024-05-25 07:16:36	ana_briated	odd, my tor browser renders sans fonts
2024-05-25 07:17:00	ana_briated	also... specifying a serif font as default is actually quite rare I think
2024-05-25 07:17:22	BrainDamage	it's in the addons menu, not the nominal settings
2024-05-25 07:18:12	pushrad	BrainDamage it was already system theme auto
2024-05-25 07:18:21	pushrad	changing to a different theme didn't help
2024-05-25 07:20:11	BrainDamage	maybe something overrode the environment? check /proc/<pid>/environ of the tor browser and see how it compare to another gui program
2024-05-25 07:20:33	BrainDamage	but I'm grasping at straws here
2024-05-25 07:28:53	ana_briated	this is the weirdest
2024-05-25 07:29:07	ana_briated	what DE are you using?
2024-05-25 07:29:13	pushrad	lol i switched my theme to Chicago95 and it's sans-serif now
2024-05-25 07:29:18	pushrad	i'm using xfce4
2024-05-25 07:29:24	ana_briated	wild
2024-05-25 07:30:00	ana_briated	I'm... well it's fixed.
2024-05-25 07:31:16	pushrad	i might get tired of this theme though
2024-05-25 07:31:35	pushrad	using redmond theme on pleroma is one thing, but for my whole PC? dunno
2024-05-25 07:34:49	pushrad	yeah i need a better solution. i don't like Chicago95 that much
2024-05-25 07:35:21	ana_briated	it's unfixed
2024-05-25 07:35:32	ana_briated	does it make a difference if you change the default font?
2024-05-25 07:37:14	pushrad	yes, changing it to DejaVu Sans Book fixed it 
2024-05-25 07:37:15	pushrad	:D
2024-05-25 07:37:26	pushrad	thanks everyone
2024-05-25 07:52:11	ana_briated	net upgrade size: -5 MiB
2024-05-25 07:52:15	ana_briated	helll yeah
2024-05-25 07:56:33	BrainDamage	oneapi package changes the other day shaved off 2GB from my machine
2024-05-25 07:56:38	BrainDamage	that thing is a behemoth
2024-05-25 08:00:39	ana_briated	holy balls
2024-05-25 08:01:28	ana_briated	that's insane
2024-05-25 08:02:25	BrainDamage	fortunately I don't need basekit, that package is 15GB
2024-05-25 08:02:58	BrainDamage	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/intel-oneapi-mkl/-/commit/b98a34483e7f8b7b6920431ec0f5839fdc2bde87
2024-05-25 08:03:00	phrik	Title: upgpkg: 2024.1.0-1 (b98a3448) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / intel-oneapi-mkl · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-25 08:03:03	ana_briated	did they pack literally every single sdk in the sun in there?
2024-05-25 08:22:44	Xogium	*** Unable to find the ncurses libraries or the *** required header files.
2024-05-25 08:22:46	Xogium	*** Unable to find the ncurses libraries or the *** required header files.
2024-05-25 08:22:51	Xogium	what am I missing here ?
2024-05-25 08:23:21	Xogium	oops didn't mean to paste that twice
2024-05-25 08:23:33	jl2	Hi, is anybody here comfy with xkb_options? I can't rebind $ to <enter> with "enter:dollar" (or the other way around)
2024-05-25 08:23:49	Xogium	so I get this now with trying to run menuconfig in any kconfig based project...
2024-05-25 08:24:00	Xogium	I updated my system  laste evening
2024-05-25 08:25:12	Xogium	first time I see this, is it something I can fix on my own or is this an actual breakage in arch due to bleeding edge maybe ?
2024-05-25 08:26:24	jl2	Xogium: did you do a partial update?
2024-05-25 08:26:28	Xogium	no
2024-05-25 08:26:58	Xogium	I ran a full pacman -Syu with no ignored packages
2024-05-25 08:28:22	glitsj16	Xogium: what version of ncurses are you on now?
2024-05-25 08:28:24	Xogium	I know full well a partial update is a bad idea, no worries. Been using arch since late 2015, and it in fact never crossed my mind to even attempt a partial update ;)
2024-05-25 08:28:36	Xogium	lets see
2024-05-25 08:28:59	Xogium	6.5-1
2024-05-25 08:29:56	glitsj16	should be 6.5-2 according to https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/ncurses/
2024-05-25 08:30:05	Xogium	hmm
2024-05-25 08:30:09	glitsj16	maybe try another mirror?
2024-05-25 08:30:16	Xogium	looks like my mirror's lagging behind a bit ?
2024-05-25 08:30:25	Xogium	yeah leme see
2024-05-25 08:30:43	glitsj16	could be, only you can tell :)
2024-05-25 08:32:25	Xogium	damn I mustn't be lucky here
2024-05-25 08:32:37	Xogium	I've tried 8 different mirrors by now, none of them have it
2024-05-25 08:34:12	glitsj16	you could be missing other stuff too with outdated mirrors, but you know all that i suppose
2024-05-25 08:36:11	Xogium	yea
2024-05-25 08:36:36	Xogium	I just used reflector to regenerate another mirror list and none of them seem to have it
2024-05-25 08:37:44	glitsj16	have you tried checking https://archlinux.org/mirrors/status/#successful and (temporarily) using one manually?
2024-05-25 08:37:51	Xogium	do you have the -2 version installed ? Because I'm starting to think mirrors don't have it yet
2024-05-25 08:38:25	glitsj16	yes i have ncurses 6.5-2 according to pacman -Q
2024-05-25 08:38:48	Xogium	hmm time to grab a mirror from there, yeah
2024-05-25 08:38:49	glitsj16	that's why i asked about your version :)
2024-05-25 08:41:49	glitsj16	not that i'm sure that getting -2 will fix your issues, but at least you can report with a fully updated arch in case you have to
2024-05-25 08:43:30	glitsj16	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/ncurses/-/commit/3a69bc637a48dfaaf82e0b1e235f5d8f1524d33a only mentions a rebuild to replace wezterm-terminfo
2024-05-25 08:43:32	phrik	Title: upgpkg: 6.5-2 (3a69bc63) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / ncurses · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-25 08:43:58	Xogium	hm yes lets try
2024-05-25 08:46:02	Xogium	this table there on the arch website, can we agree that it shows by default the best servers first ?
2024-05-25 08:46:30	Xogium	I'm bad at that sort of thing, screen reader and web ui don't mix well
2024-05-25 08:47:11	glitsj16	not sure about that; the page mentions "All data on this page reflects the status of the mirrors within the last 24 hours. All listed times are UTC"
2024-05-25 08:47:30	glitsj16	for me that page always worked out to be reliable though
2024-05-25 08:47:38	glitsj16	i don't use reflector
2024-05-25 08:48:32	Xogium	I took the very first mirror from sweden and it also said nothing to do :D
2024-05-25 08:49:26	Xogium	finally ! Found one that has it
2024-05-25 08:49:35	Xogium	now time to try again
2024-05-25 08:50:15	glitsj16	:) good luck
2024-05-25 08:50:46	glitsj16	sweden isn't being putin-hacked i do hope
2024-05-25 08:51:40	Xogium	nah doubt that
2024-05-25 08:52:03	Xogium	mmh ok so
2024-05-25 08:52:21	glitsj16	my bad joke, been reading too much politico.eu
2024-05-25 08:56:57	Xogium	I can't get any of my kconfig based projects to open menuconfig, no matter if I do a make clean to get rid of everything. Maybe distclean is required
2024-05-25 08:58:12	Xogium	hm. Not even then
2024-05-25 09:00:04	Xogium	well I may have to downgrade my whole system to make this work in the meantime :/
2024-05-25 09:02:36	glitsj16	looks like it; not very nice but well, I don't see much else you could try
2024-05-25 09:04:19	Xogium	well the ultimate option I guess is that, the one just before that is to completely redownload a fresh copy of the code and try menuconfig again
2024-05-25 09:06:09	Xogium	nop
2024-05-25 09:06:25	Xogium	ugh
2024-05-25 09:11:29	Xogium	my guess is this project doesn't get to use the new lib because it does strict version checking. I tried with the kernel and even an old 6.1.28 build opens menuconfig just fine
2024-05-25 09:12:05	Xogium	so this issue is not arch being broken
2024-05-25 09:12:59	Xogium	maybe it is time I move one from buildroot
2024-05-25 09:13:03	Xogium	*on
2024-05-25 09:14:02	Xogium	glitsj16: thank you so much for helping with this :) I don't think there's anything we can do
2024-05-25 09:14:06	glitsj16	at least you're arch mirrors got sorted now; with the other stuff i'm unlikely to be able to help i'm afraid
2024-05-25 09:14:12	Xogium	yea
2024-05-25 09:14:22	glitsj16	Xogium: no problem, you're welcome
2024-05-25 09:14:38	Xogium	have a good day y'all
2024-05-25 09:14:49	glitsj16	likewise \o
2024-05-25 10:35:59	⚡ 	russell-- waves ... apparently something (pacman?) recently stomped on my /etc/iproute2/rt_tables file, somewhat rudely
2024-05-25 10:50:12	russell--	actually, it could have been a while ago, but sometime since late June 2023. the recent problem was exposed, i think, due to an extended power outage causing a reboot.
2024-05-25 10:51:22	russell--	what would move a custom /etc/iproute2/rt_tables file to /etc/iproute2/rt_tables.pacsave and leave nothing in its place?
2024-05-25 10:57:35	russell--	looking at a 2023-05-era backup, there are some other files in that directory, all gone now
2024-05-25 11:00:25	glitsj16	russell--: apparently the `backup` array disappeared from the iproute2 PKGBUILD in 6.5.0-1 (Sep 06, 2023)
2024-05-25 11:01:04	glitsj16	it was there in 6.4.0-1 according to https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/iproute2/-/blob/ea260f7ed891d740d807cefce4dd8b22ed91ff47/PKGBUILD#L26
2024-05-25 11:01:06	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · ea260f7ed891d740d807cefce4dd8b22ed91ff47 · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / iproute2 · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-25 11:02:25	glitsj16	russell--: that seems to coincide with the time-frame you're seeing i guess
2024-05-25 11:03:10	russell--	it seems the files are distributed in /usr/share/iproute2/ now, as samples
2024-05-25 11:03:16	russell--	or something
2024-05-25 11:03:18	glitsj16	correct
2024-05-25 11:03:35	russell--	but, i guess the transition nuked my customized file
2024-05-25 11:04:00	glitsj16	yep that's likely what happened
2024-05-25 11:04:16	russell--	not quite nuked, but moved into an inoperable location, which broke my network, lol
2024-05-25 11:04:29	russell--	took me an hour or so to figure out
2024-05-25 11:04:52	glitsj16	i can see how that's upsetting heh
2024-05-25 11:07:08	russell--	anyway, thanks for finding the guilty commit for me
2024-05-25 11:07:47	glitsj16	i'm not sure what motivated the backup array drop, nor if there's somekind of policy to adhere to when that happens... i'm not part of the official AL team
2024-05-25 11:08:28	russell--	keeps me on my toes
2024-05-25 11:08:53	glitsj16	some toes lol, going back to 2023 ;)
2024-05-25 11:09:03	jkotra	so is it just me or epiphany is broken? (its not showing anything when i go a website)
2024-05-25 11:10:56	jkotra	https://imgur.com/ex0P26P
2024-05-25 11:10:58	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
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2024-05-25 15:44:19	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-25 13:53:35	kompowiec2	hmm ok, i create my SSH key according to AUR submission guidelines and i add to my account but when i type git clone using command from guide - aur@aur.archlinux.org: Permission denied (publickey). I'm stuck
2024-05-25 13:54:56	kompowiec2	no to mention that yours gitlab have temporarily disable account registrations.
2024-05-25 13:59:15	another|	ssh -v aur.archlinux.org
2024-05-25 13:59:32	manuels	Are xdg portals always available? 
2024-05-25 14:02:02	kompowiec2	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/FISjTfif/log
2024-05-25 14:02:04	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2024-05-25 14:05:47	BrainDamage	manuels: what you mean "always"?
2024-05-25 14:06:42	BrainDamage	flatpaks assume they are availabe, a chunk of wayland functionality is tied to them, they'll likely be installed in many systems, but are in no way mandatory
2024-05-25 14:07:16	BrainDamage	you can have a fully jraphical DE installed, running on xorg, and have no portal installed
2024-05-25 14:18:23	another|	kompowiec2: So you did not set a ssh_config entry.
2024-05-25 14:39:13	cityzan	WE HAVE SERVER!!! https://imgur.com/a/2Vz74GQ
2024-05-25 14:39:15	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2024-05-25 14:41:29	cityzan	The problem i was facing with the ENCR HD partition, is that the fstab was set to /boot, but the partition has no /boot. it is the Boot, so i set the fstab for boot to just the / root and with the correct UUID's i place, everything just fell in to place
2024-05-25 14:42:03	cityzan	adding this command also helped with grub, "GRUB_PRELOAD_MODULES="cryptodisk"
2024-05-25 14:42:25	cityzan	a few mistakes in the rebuild, but in the end all worked out well
2024-05-25 14:44:05	cityzan	Namarrgon, please unlock my other account. and again ty and Khorne for all that you did, also Scimmia for pointing out the fstab error i kept make over and over
2024-05-25 14:44:23	dontdieych	https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Pacman/Tips_and_tricks&diff=next&oldid=809169
2024-05-25 14:44:26	phrik	Title: Pacman/Tips and tricks: Difference between revisions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-25 14:45:46	dontdieych	Am I some missing? ls /var/cache/pacman/pkg/*.xz | wc -l -> 1604
2024-05-25 14:47:16	gromit	dontdieych: arch used .xz compression before using zstd
2024-05-25 14:47:46	gromit	dontdieych: did you not merge the relevant .pacnew file or did you explicitly override the setting? 
2024-05-25 14:47:54	dontdieych	what the fxxk is 'pkg.tar.zst' things? is that real? 
2024-05-25 14:48:24	dontdieych	gromit: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Pacman/Tips_and_tricks&diff=next&oldid=809169
2024-05-25 14:48:26	phrik	Title: Pacman/Tips and tricks: Difference between revisions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-25 14:50:07	dontdieych	I think 
2024-05-25 14:50:09	another|	dontdieych: arch packages in tar in zstd
2024-05-25 14:50:17	gromit	dontdieych: all our packages since atleast 3 years are compressed with that, so yes :) 
2024-05-25 14:50:49	dontdieych	plese read that link? I'm not abusuing you
2024-05-25 14:51:05	gromit	dontdieych: are you using arch or is this some spin? I.e. ALARM still uses .xz 
2024-05-25 14:51:12	kompowiec2	gromit: i fixed, works, thanks :)
2024-05-25 14:51:40	gromit	dontdieych: I have read the link, did I miss anything? 
2024-05-25 14:51:54	gromit	kompowiec2: \o/
2024-05-25 14:52:42	gromit	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/pacman/-/commit/1fc31eb2693ac7057b4e412b8513fc84a63799f2#9817c069c08d6f08baeb3d014d2c1195bcfa2e2a_144_146
2024-05-25 14:52:43	phrik	Title: upstream update (1fc31eb2) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / pacman · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-25 14:53:18	dontdieych	OK. X86_64 arch links are different right?
2024-05-25 14:53:48	dontdieych	I'm at aarch64 so ....
2024-05-25 14:54:00	dontdieych	sorry about that
2024-05-25 14:54:04	another|	Archlinux is x8664 ONLY
2024-05-25 14:54:10	another|	*x86_64
2024-05-25 14:54:22	gromit	another|: so far 😏
2024-05-25 14:54:24	dontdieych	I'm ArchlinuxArm
2024-05-25 14:54:29	another|	gromit: yes. so far
2024-05-25 14:54:32	another|	!alarm
2024-05-25 14:54:32	phrik	#archlinuxarm
2024-05-25 14:54:35	another|	!notarch
2024-05-25 14:54:35	phrik	https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2024-05-25 14:54:53	dontdieych	Sorry about my rude ..../
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2024-05-25 15:52:50	IMTheNachoMan	I know this is not an Endeavor channel but I’m wondering folks feel Endeavor is a good Arxh distro for someone to start on (from Debian)? Stable enough but update enough? I’m looking for KDE Plasma 6.
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2024-05-25 15:55:30	Namarrgon	This kind of discussion often looks like trolling or baiting and usually doesn't end well.
2024-05-25 15:56:14	Namarrgon	Try it yourself to see if it works for you.
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2024-05-25 15:58:40	vasko	IMTheNachoMan Never heard of it but it's `archlinux` with an installer and a repo with some few AUR packages: https://github.com/endeavouros-team/PKGBUILDS
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2024-05-25 16:00:33	vasko	I kind of think at-least 15% of packages or something need to be different for something to be considered a "distribution".
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2024-05-25 16:00:48	cabalcrow	is there a template for packaging software?
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2024-05-25 16:01:16	cabalcrow	something that can be used to quickly just give it the bash build commands, names of dependencies & place to put the bin in?
2024-05-25 16:02:35	gromit	cabalcrow: yes, in /usr/share/pacman/PKGBUILD.proto
2024-05-25 16:02:51	cabalcrow	thanks
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2024-05-25 16:03:52	gromit	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Creating_packages
2024-05-25 16:03:53	phrik	Title: Creating packages - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-25 16:05:03	cabalcrow	yeah I saw the article, but currently I don't want to study how to make packages, eventually I would, but now I just need something quick and easy
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2024-05-25 16:05:50	gromit	cabalcrow: how much more quick and easy do you want it? you just add the dependency, build commands and where the thing should go
2024-05-25 16:06:08	cabalcrow	I mean I would use the PKBUILD.proto
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2024-05-25 16:07:47	gromit	cabalcrow: If you tell us a bit more we can also maybe give more specific tips, i.e. which project you want to build
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2024-05-25 16:08:29	cabalcrow	I want to build nushell, since it has been outdated for some time
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2024-05-25 16:09:15	cabalcrow	that being said I assume this is not going to actually be quick and easy - as to do it properly I would need to create a clean chroot
2024-05-25 16:09:17	jelle	cabalcrow: so grab the pkgbuild, bump pkgver and build?
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2024-05-25 16:10:12	gromit	cabalcrow: pkgctl repo clone --protcol=https nushell && pkgctl build -i all --pkgver=0.93.0 nushell
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2024-05-25 16:13:35	cabalcrow	should I edit the non-AUR one? Isn't it easier to get the package change on the aur instead?
2024-05-25 16:14:02	Namarrgon	The only one on the AUR is the -git one. Modifying that will take much more time.
2024-05-25 16:14:20	Namarrgon	Unless you want the latest commit instead of the stable release.
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2024-05-25 16:14:39	cabalcrow	I see
2024-05-25 16:15:42	gromit	cabalcrow: the commands I have sent above build and install the package at the specified version, but the change is ofc local to your machine
2024-05-25 16:15:51	cabalcrow	yeah I saw that
2024-05-25 16:16:03	cabalcrow	technically I just installed it from source on my machine
2024-05-25 16:18:40	vasko	You can use the `-git` package and set ver to contain `#0.93.0` right i you want the sable one too I guess right?
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2024-05-25 16:19:00	vasko	Assuming `source=('git+https://<repo-url>#[commit|tag|branch]=<ref>')`
2024-05-25 16:19:08	cabalcrow	I don't actually have pkgctl
2024-05-25 16:19:31	cabalcrow	the git should probably stay on lastest though no?
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2024-05-25 16:20:21	gromit	cabalcrow: you can install it via the "devtools" package from [extra]
2024-05-25 16:20:46	cabalcrow	thanks
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2024-05-25 16:21:19	hashworks	Got some problems with gamescope on wlroots/sway/mesa with a 7800 XT over here. Running "gamescope -W 2560 -H 1440 -- vkcube" simply does not open a window of vkcube and doesn't seem to output any errors https://fb.hash.works/vYsPEn/
2024-05-25 16:21:20	phrik	Title: stdin (at fb.hash.works)
2024-05-25 16:21:26	hashworks	Anyone got an idea how to debug this?
2024-05-25 16:21:27	vasko	> installed it from source on my machine
2024-05-25 16:21:27	vasko	Oh no, your system is now tainted :P
2024-05-25 16:21:40	cabalcrow	tainted?
2024-05-25 16:22:08	hashworks	Funny thing is, it's not totally broken. Helldivers starts just fine, but Civ6 has the same problem as vkcube
2024-05-25 16:22:17	hashworks	(Worked some time ago)
2024-05-25 16:22:24	vasko	I'm joking, but it's generally bad practice to install from source as file are untracked and it can break your system.
2024-05-25 16:22:32	vasko	You have the `-git` package just use it.
2024-05-25 16:22:59	cabalcrow	untracked in what sense?
2024-05-25 16:23:12	hashworks	pacman isn't tracking the files.
2024-05-25 16:23:15	cabalcrow	ah yeah
2024-05-25 16:23:21	hashworks	How do you remove random stuff you installed to /
2024-05-25 16:23:32	cabalcrow	I install it to my bin dir instead
2024-05-25 16:23:41	Namarrgon	hashworks: Does it work as expected without gamescope?
2024-05-25 16:23:42	cabalcrow	like home bin
2024-05-25 16:23:49	hashworks	Namarrgon: Yes.
2024-05-25 16:24:05	BrainDamage	hashworks: can you pastebin the console output?
2024-05-25 16:24:14	hashworks	Already did https://fb.hash.works/vYsPEn/
2024-05-25 16:24:15	phrik	Title: stdin (at fb.hash.works)
2024-05-25 16:24:26	BrainDamage	ah, sorry, missed that
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2024-05-25 16:26:13	BrainDamage	mmm, nothing different than what shows here
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2024-05-25 16:26:49	hashworks	Yup, really helpful :D Alyways fun to google "X does not work"
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2024-05-25 16:33:03	cabalcrow	gromit: I don't think it is actually as simple as changing the pkgver since there is also a sha256sum
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2024-05-25 16:36:23	Namarrgon	cabalcrow: You can use 'updpkgsums' to automatically update the checksums in the PKGBUILD.
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2024-05-25 16:36:32	glitsj16	cabalcrow: have a look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PKGBUILD#Integrity; it's explained there how to deal with that
2024-05-25 16:36:34	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-25 16:36:54	cabalcrow	thanks
2024-05-25 16:37:18	cabalcrow	hmmm: error: none of the selected packages contains these features: dataframe
2024-05-25 16:37:20	gromit	Namarrgon: --pkgver does that automatically
2024-05-25 16:37:57	cabalcrow	I remember getting that error when trynig to install the nushell-git
2024-05-25 16:38:07	cabalcrow	but when I installed from source I had no issues
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2024-05-25 16:40:21	hashworks	Okay, no change with latest {wlroots,sway,gamescope}-git. Oh well
2024-05-25 16:40:38	hashworks	Hm. Keeping gamescope running for a while gives "xdg_backend: Compositor released us but we were not acquired. Oh no."
2024-05-25 16:40:53	hashworks	Oh wait
2024-05-25 16:40:56	hashworks	Stuff is working now
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2024-05-25 16:40:57	hashworks	weird
2024-05-25 16:41:17	lod	^^
2024-05-25 16:43:23	hashworks	Civ6 works as well \o/
2024-05-25 16:43:51	lod	only the mesa update or did you change anything else?
2024-05-25 16:46:07	hashworks	I didn't touch mesa. I switched to {wlroots,sway,gamescope}-git
2024-05-25 16:46:13	hashworks	mesa is still the one in extra
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2024-05-25 16:47:03	IMTheNachoMan	Namarrgon: Really? I always appreciate discussions like that cause it gives people an opportunity to share their nuanced experiences and views. But I will respect the rules. I apologize!
2024-05-25 16:47:05	susi	so I have this Archbook 64 A-13 V12U , and I'm having issues
2024-05-25 16:48:55	demonicm1niac1	a...what?
2024-05-25 16:49:14	naught	IMTheNachoMan: if you want to use arch just use arch, why use some random spin
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2024-05-25 16:49:56	Namarrgon	demonicm1niac1: Every time you install arch on yet undiscovered hardware you get to name the hardware.
2024-05-25 16:50:45	demonicm1niac1	Namarrgon: noice!
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2024-05-25 16:51:43	IMTheNachoMan	vasko:
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2024-05-25 16:52:18	Namarrgon	IMTheNachoMan: This is the main support channel for arch, with other distros being explicitly unsupported, what kind of answer do you think you'll get here?
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2024-05-25 16:58:59	IMTheNachoMan	Fair enough. I figured folks may have experience across distros and have an opinion. Thanks all!
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2024-05-25 17:00:11	RealFloridaMan	its slow compared to native arch IMTheNachoMan
2024-05-25 17:00:31	BrainDamage	there's #linux, for generic linux support
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2024-05-25 17:00:53	IMTheNachoMan	Thanks. I’m gonna set up a Vm to see if I can brave the installation. If I can’t then I’ll know my answer.
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2024-05-25 17:26:15	wyre	hi guys, do you know some VPS service affordable with archlinux? 
2024-05-25 17:26:25	wyre	there are only those providers? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Arch_Linux_on_a_VPS&oldid=801844#Official_Arch_Linux_cloud_image 😢
2024-05-25 17:26:28	phrik	Title: Arch Linux on a VPS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-25 17:26:32	wyre	I find them so expensive 
2024-05-25 17:27:10	espresso	perhaps #networking might have ideas too, just a thought
2024-05-25 17:27:24	espresso	or #linux?
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2024-05-25 17:31:37	glitsj16	wyre: maybe the wiki only references VPS services that have official arch support; not all of them do
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2024-05-25 17:56:02	teraflops	wyre: anything that is KVM should work
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2024-05-25 18:03:45	another|	What do you consider expensive? There is a certain threshold below which it makes no financial sense to spec machines because of the overhead
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2024-05-25 18:04:39	hashworks	I can recommend Hetzner.
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2024-05-25 18:23:49	Ena0	Hey is there a way to view the 'actual size' of a folder in Dolphin? I suspect whenever I right click on the folder and go to properties it shows me the size on disk and not the actual size.
2024-05-25 18:24:07	Ena0	Or is there another method to view the 'actual' size of a folder?
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2024-05-25 18:30:11	mpan	Ena0: du --apparent-size  > https://man.archlinux.org/man/du.1
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2024-05-25 18:30:13	phrik	Title: du(1) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2024-05-25 18:30:54	mpan	(assuming by “actual” size you mean the number of data bytes)
2024-05-25 18:31:45	Ena0	mpan: In Dolphin I mean.
2024-05-25 18:32:17	Ena0	Like a setting or something to add this type of statistic.
2024-05-25 18:32:31	Ena0	To add this type of statistic into the properties menu.
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2024-05-25 18:34:50	mpan	Then dunno
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2024-05-25 18:35:34	mpan	But, given you already ask about something useful primarily when dealing with relatively low level stuff (and therefore not in GUIs), why would you avoid terminal in this case?
2024-05-25 18:35:44	another|	Ena0: cannot reproduce. It shows the actual size on my system
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2024-05-25 18:35:46	Ena0	mpan: But thx that's also helpful!:)
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2024-05-25 18:36:25	espresso	Ena0: the Properties dialog could be a KDE component separate from Dolphin. I have not seen such an option in the settings anyway, though maybe it could exist. And there could exist a replacement..
2024-05-25 18:36:30	Ena0	mpan: Cause when I'm in a GUI I don't want to use the terminal and vice versa. Just usability.
2024-05-25 18:36:37	mpan	(I mean the distinction is relevant for relatively low level stuff; not that this specific metric is)
2024-05-25 18:36:39	Ena0	mpan: WIndows shows both sizes in the properties.
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2024-05-25 18:37:06	Ena0	another|: --apparent-size shows same sizes while dolphin shows same sizes.
2024-05-25 18:37:23	Ena0	another|: This is probably because you have no difference in file systems. I do.
2024-05-25 18:37:31	Ena0	One file system is exfat and the other is ext4
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2024-05-25 18:37:43	Ena0	Therefore you don't seem to notice a difference in dolphin.
2024-05-25 18:38:10	Ena0	while dolphin shows different sizes**
2024-05-25 18:38:54	Ena0	another|: Try comparing files on two different file systems than you'll be able to reproduce ;)
2024-05-25 18:39:01	Ingar	Ena0: maybe GiB vs GB ?
2024-05-25 18:39:08	another|	wat?
2024-05-25 18:40:34	Ingar	(pls ignore, chat window confusion, my bad)
2024-05-25 18:40:43	another|	Properties in Dolphin shows a test folder with 2 files  as 12B which is clearly the actual size and not what's allocated in the fs
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2024-05-25 18:41:31	espresso	Dolphin downloadable services could have something; if not specifically, maybe one that can let you do custom things
2024-05-25 18:41:47	Ena0	Ingar: No.
2024-05-25 18:42:17	Ena0	another|: A folder 
2024-05-25 18:42:24	Ena0	Ah
2024-05-25 18:42:34	Ena0	another|: Well can't reproduce yours.
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2024-05-25 18:42:48	another|	it's the same with individual files
2024-05-25 18:43:08	Ena0	clearly I'm seeing two different sizes while --apparent-size shows the same size. Anyways I'll stick to du for that then
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2024-05-25 18:43:35	Ena0	I was using this to confirm that all files have been copied over successfully.
2024-05-25 18:44:20	another|	`rsync -c` ?
2024-05-25 18:44:33	Ena0	another|: cp -r
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2024-05-25 18:45:06	Ena0	I mean I used cp -r to copy 5 folders from my external exfat drive to my ext4 arch drive
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2024-05-25 18:48:14	another|	could use rsync with checksums instead
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2024-05-25 18:53:04	Ena0	another|: Ah I see. Yeah right that takes substantially longer tho.
2024-05-25 18:54:41	demonicm1niac1	doesn't windows just shows ntfs compression?
2024-05-25 18:54:58	demonicm1niac1	or rather the distinction between junctions it counts double in explorer vs files
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2024-05-25 19:03:02	Ena0	demonicm1niac1: No clue :D The properties windows has 'size' and 'size on disk' entries. 
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2024-05-25 19:03:25	Ena0	or 'actual size' cant remember now.
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2024-05-25 19:06:25	glitsj16	'size on disk' feels odd, suggesting there's a size of something _not_ on disk (to me at least)
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2024-05-25 19:07:53	demonicm1niac1	Explorer calculates "Size on Disk" in the exact same way – adding up all files' "sizes on disk"; the only difference from "Total Size" is that it accounts for compressed files, cluster sizes, etc. dir in Command Prompt would give a more direct answer.
2024-05-25 19:07:57	demonicm1niac1	Ena0: ^
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2024-05-25 19:08:14	demonicm1niac1	so yeah it's just windows native ntfs file compression and cluster size effects
2024-05-25 19:10:23	Ena0	demonicm1niac1: I see. Thx!
2024-05-25 19:11:05	Ena0	btw is cp -r folder1 folder2 the same as rsync -r folder1 folder2 ?
2024-05-25 19:11:21	Ena0	also cp file1 folder2 same as rsync file1 folder2 ?
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2024-05-25 19:11:53	demonicm1niac1	no
2024-05-25 19:12:02	demonicm1niac1	read all the switches for both
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2024-05-25 19:16:12	espresso	Ena0: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Rsync#Full_system_backup I found a good reference; I use that for backup (well, I add --delete for mirror)
2024-05-25 19:16:14	phrik	Title: rsync - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-25 19:18:15	espresso	Ena0: and don't miss rsync --dry-run (-n) for testing ;)
2024-05-25 19:19:24	Ena0	espresso: Yeah always using dry rin thx;) I did rsync --dry-run -rvc to check for the checksum. No output = all files there I guess.
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2024-05-25 19:20:30	Ena0	demonicm1niac1: Man says it's the same. What do you mean?
2024-05-25 19:20:52	Ena0	-r means recursive copy for both
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2024-05-25 19:23:48	Ena0	espresso: Wiki mentiones AHX works onlif "assuming that the target file system supports the feature."
2024-05-25 19:24:39	Ena0	nvm got it ;)
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2024-05-25 20:30:29	ian|	hello, does Wireplumber provide higher quality that pipewire-media-session? i've had pipewire-media-session installed for months
2024-05-25 20:35:06	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-05-25 20:36:03	teraflops	ian|: read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire 1.1
2024-05-25 20:36:05	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-25 20:36:43	ian|	yes, i read that and it said Wireplumber was recommended, but also that pipewire-media-session was made for simple desktop use
2024-05-25 20:36:57	ian|	plus Wireplumber relies on Lua
2024-05-25 20:37:04	teraflops	It was mostly implemented for testing and as an example for building new session managers.
2024-05-25 20:37:13	teraflops	then why do you ask?
2024-05-25 20:37:28	ian|	i'm wondering if it affects the quality
2024-05-25 20:37:39	grawity	I'm not sure why "relies on Lua" is a concern
2024-05-25 20:37:57	ian|	Lua is good don't get me wrong :)
2024-05-25 20:38:25	teraflops	ian|: the quality of what?
2024-05-25 20:38:46	ian|	audio quality
2024-05-25 20:38:58	teraflops	sample rates are sample rates
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2024-05-25 20:39:07	teraflops	no, it shouldnt
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2024-05-25 20:39:21	grawity	it's a session manager, it doesn't really touch audio
2024-05-25 20:39:37	ian|	okay
2024-05-25 20:39:38	grawity	it does decide what to plug where
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2024-05-25 20:41:40	Weirdbeardgame	I'm trying to boot the arch installer off an ISO. I've tried multiple sticks and copies of the ISO, I've even verified it.
2024-05-25 20:41:40	Weirdbeardgame	When I boot it throws me into a rootfs shell saying it can't find /boot/2024-05-01-17-04-31.uuid
2024-05-25 20:42:13	Weirdbeardgame	Is there a way to force mount the missing partition or file and continue booting?
2024-05-25 20:42:35	grawity	how do you think that would work
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2024-05-25 20:42:52	Weirdbeardgame	Same way as any other recovery shell?
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2024-05-25 20:43:58	teraflops	Weirdbeardgame: which command did you run to put the arch iso in the stick?
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2024-05-25 20:44:23	Weirdbeardgame	I've tried the dd command and the cat >
2024-05-25 20:44:30	teraflops	full command plelase
2024-05-25 20:44:35	teraflops	please
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2024-05-25 20:45:31	Weirdbeardgame	dd bs=4M if=path/to/archlinux-version-x86_64.iso of=/dev/disk/by-id/usb-My_flash_drive conv=fsync oflag=direct status=progress
2024-05-25 20:45:38	Weirdbeardgame	The one from the wiki
2024-05-25 20:45:43	Weirdbeardgame	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/USB_flash_installation_medium
2024-05-25 20:45:45	phrik	Title: USB flash installation medium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-25 20:45:54	teraflops	ok, did you disable secure boot?
2024-05-25 20:46:18	Weirdbeardgame	I believe so?
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2024-05-25 20:46:25	Weirdbeardgame	But I can always double check 
2024-05-25 20:46:27	teraflops	dude I do not know
2024-05-25 20:47:03	tribly	Weirdbeardgame: you also believe it should boot, but it doesn't, soooo :P
2024-05-25 20:47:55	Weirdbeardgame	Yeah but it's also not an issue on my current Arch install, since I know it generally hates that
2024-05-25 20:48:12	Weirdbeardgame	And in my bios most of the tpm stuff seems off
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2024-05-25 20:49:22	teraflops	Weirdbeardgame: are you using a usb hub or is the stick lugged directly in a usb port?
2024-05-25 20:49:28	teraflops	plugged
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2024-05-25 20:50:04	Weirdbeardgame	Yeah secure boot is off, and no I'm plugging it directly into my PC 
2024-05-25 20:50:16	teraflops	tried another port/another stick?
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2024-05-25 20:50:33	Weirdbeardgame	Yeah, but I'll try again, with the port  
2024-05-25 20:50:41	Weirdbeardgame	And yes I've switched sticks 
2024-05-25 20:50:46	teraflops	hmm
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2024-05-25 20:52:24	teraflops	I'd try with another iso
2024-05-25 20:52:41	Weirdbeardgame	Ah, it was the two ports I tried 
2024-05-25 20:52:42	teraflops	https://geo.mirror.pkgbuild.com/iso/2024.04.01/ that is the one released before the last one
2024-05-25 20:52:44	phrik	Title: Index of /iso/2024.04.01/ (at geo.mirror.pkgbuild.com)
2024-05-25 20:53:02	Weirdbeardgame	This time moving it to the back of my PC instead of the front worked ... Weird 
2024-05-25 20:53:14	Weirdbeardgame	Thanks all
2024-05-25 20:53:14	teraflops	np, glad it worked
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2024-05-26 12:35:43	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-26 12:35:43	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1440 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1440 regular)
2024-05-25 22:06:48	Web_Anon	I think it was a driver conflict.. when I tried launch epicgames using lutris it gave me something like.. `unable to use setpriority safely DRK kernel driver "nvidia-drm' in use. NVK requires nouveau
2024-05-25 22:07:04	Web_Anon	`unable to use setpriority safely DRK kernel driver "nvidia-drm' in use. NVK requires nouveau`
2024-05-25 22:08:34	SysGhost	I suspect you have an incomplete vulkan configuration that causes a mixup between the propretiary and the open source drivers of nvidia
2024-05-25 22:09:28	SysGhost	See: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Vulkan - nvidia-utils 
2024-05-25 22:09:30	phrik	Title: Vulkan - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-25 22:10:42	SysGhost	I would recommend going only with the propretiary drivers as those are much more performant.
2024-05-25 22:11:14	Web_Anon	i replaced it with lib32-vulkan-icd-loader and lib32-nvidia-utils
2024-05-25 22:12:13	SysGhost	what does vulkaninfo give you?
2024-05-25 22:15:26	Web_Anon	I'm not at home at the moment. Sorry. I'm just on phone
2024-05-25 22:17:01	Web_Anon	I'll read up on Vulkan in archwiki though. Tha ks
2024-05-25 22:17:06	Web_Anon	Thanks
2024-05-25 22:17:57	SysGhost	Well.. whatever it is, that lutris title tries to load up nouveau dependent drivers and since nouveau kernel module is blacklisted, it fails.
2024-05-25 22:18:22	Web_Anon	ugh... I'll most likely need to re-install lutris, steam and bottles..
2024-05-25 22:18:32	SysGhost	it's not on that end
2024-05-25 22:18:50	SysGhost	it's likely you have vulkan stuff that relies on nouveau still lingering.
2024-05-25 22:19:04	Web_Anon	it was from steam
2024-05-25 22:19:11	Web_Anon	I have 3 steam installed
2024-05-25 22:19:33	Web_Anon	Yay steam, pacman steam and flathub steam
2024-05-25 22:20:08	SysGhost	yes. steam and a lot of other stuff that want to use vulkan will fail when you have a mixup installation.
2024-05-25 22:20:38	Web_Anon	i think it was pacman steam that install vulkan-nouveau
2024-05-25 22:20:48	Web_Anon	So I'll need to purge that directory
2024-05-25 22:21:46	Web_Anon	I was trying to figure out which version of steam worked with ALVR
2024-05-25 22:22:00	SysGhost	lib32-vulkan-driver is what steam relies on. That one in turn will pull the one that's most suitable for the current configuration
2024-05-25 22:22:01	BrainDamage	why 3 installations?
2024-05-25 22:22:28	Web_Anon	havent gotten around to deleting yay steam and pacman steam
2024-05-25 22:22:38	SysGhost	lib32-nvidia-utils should satisfy that for steam.
2024-05-25 22:23:21	Web_Anon	I'll just use flathub steam since it' seems to be the most reliable
2024-05-25 22:23:28	SysGhost	if steam still "pulls" lib32-vulkan-nouveau, it's because your configuration is still partially or wholly set for nouveau
2024-05-25 22:23:52	BrainDamage	you're actually going to get more troubles with flatpak fwiw
2024-05-25 22:23:59	Web_Anon	how so?
2024-05-25 22:24:08	BrainDamage	it's more safe, but it requires considerably more configuration
2024-05-25 22:24:13	BrainDamage	due to the sandboxing
2024-05-25 22:24:17	Web_Anon	ah
2024-05-25 22:24:24	Web_Anon	well screw that then
2024-05-25 22:25:00	Web_Anon	I did -S linux-firmware during my arch installation process
2024-05-25 22:25:11	Web_Anon	which had nouveau
2024-05-25 22:25:29	SysGhost	yeah the kernel module itself is included as part of the kernel
2024-05-25 22:25:43	SysGhost	hence why you blacklist it from autoloading
2024-05-25 22:25:50	Web_Anon	yepp
2024-05-25 22:26:22	Web_Anon	And somebody told me if I install nvidia or nvidia-lts nouveau gets auot blacklist
2024-05-25 22:26:37	Web_Anon	Have nvidia-lts. Btw
2024-05-25 22:26:44	SysGhost	true
2024-05-25 22:27:01	Web_Anon	it didnt get auto-blacklisted
2024-05-25 22:27:06	Web_Anon	Had to do it manually
2024-05-25 22:27:11	Web_Anon	Like everything else
2024-05-25 22:27:16	Namarrgon	It does get blacklisted.
2024-05-25 22:27:35	SysGhost	^
2024-05-25 22:27:39	Web_Anon	hmm.. maybe it got re-enabled when I install pacman steam..
2024-05-25 22:27:42	Namarrgon	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/nvidia-utils/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads#L245
2024-05-25 22:27:43	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / nvidia-utils · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-25 22:27:55	Namarrgon	No, that's not how it works.
2024-05-25 22:28:16	SysGhost	Web_Anon: more likely itäs still blacklisted, but your vulkan setup is still set up for using nouveau despite.
2024-05-25 22:28:32	Web_Anon	it was
2024-05-25 22:28:50	BrainDamage	I would check vulkan config independently of steam
2024-05-25 22:28:50	Web_Anon	accidentally chose vulkan-nouveau for pacman steam
2024-05-25 22:28:53	BrainDamage	ie vulkaninfo, etc
2024-05-25 22:29:14	Web_Anon	right. That's on the check-list now
2024-05-25 22:29:22	Web_Anon	When I get home
2024-05-25 22:40:18	cityzan	hey all, thinking of working on a clone of my dev, is encrypt and wanted to get any suggest for service to use?
2024-05-25 22:41:37	cityzan	*service/package
2024-05-25 22:43:59	Namarrgon	cityzan: You have been asked not to participate here for a while. Creating a second account just to evade the +q is pretty bold.
2024-05-25 22:45:10	cityzan	not sure i why am asked to no participate, in asking for help in a help support room. btw ty server is running hope you got the message, a feww things was at fault, sent pm
2024-05-25 22:45:34	Namarrgon	cityzan: Because you have been annoying the hell out of this channel fro the last three days.
2024-05-25 22:47:11	cityzan	wel again, do apologize, and again ty. server is running, took some time and lots of help and patience. confusion was of not needed, but i did make it through. wrote a walk through for the next person, thank you
2024-05-25 22:47:36	SysGhost	How do I get rid of those extremely annoying "possible UCSI driver bug 2" messages that constantly spams all my TTY's? Quite annoying to get any work done. Just want the message gone. It's erroring out despite everything being fine.
2024-05-25 23:03:10	rarebird15	Hi all. I'm trying to add Microsoft OneDrive to my computer with Rclone. I've got it mounted temporarily but I have to keep a terminal window open. The article I found that showed me how to set up Rclone only mentioned how to get it mounted at startup on Debian-based systems  like Ubuntu. I have no idea how to do that here. Can anyone tell me how to do it  or point me toward an article that
2024-05-25 23:03:10	rarebird15	shows 
2024-05-25 23:03:16	rarebird15	how?
2024-05-25 23:03:46	aeris	rarebird15 > this is just a command to run?
2024-05-25 23:04:13	rcf	rarebird15: I use a user service to do it 
2024-05-25 23:04:28	aeris	a systemd unit or ever fstab would do the job yes
2024-05-25 23:06:07	rarebird15	Yes, there was a command I ran to mount OneDrive, but if I close the terminal it stops being mounted. I'll look into writing a systemd unit.
2024-05-25 23:07:00	aeris	you can start the command with nohup, so even closing the term will keep the command running
2024-05-25 23:07:29	aeris	or run it inside tmux or screen for more flexibility
2024-05-25 23:09:28	demonicm1niac1	how does rclone compare to onedriver for onedrive?
2024-05-25 23:12:20	rarebird15	I didn't know about Onedriver. I just knew Rclone lets you mount a lot of different cloud storages to a folder on your computer.
2024-05-25 23:16:24	rarebird15	Onedriver looks better. I think I'll get rid of Rclone and go with that.
2024-05-26 01:12:54	Numero	i am having trouble figuring out where xosview is defining what font to use. the wiki says the Xresources file should be under  ~/.config/X11 but I have no such.
2024-05-26 01:15:29	rcf	Numero: usually it's at ~/.Xresources 
2024-05-26 01:15:37	rcf	You may have to load it manually. 
2024-05-26 01:17:42	Numero	rcf: yeah, i don't have one. i am trying to figure out what i did a couple weeks ago to get xosview to run because its default font wasn't available ("7x13bold") and i want to recreate that on another machine i shell into and launch xosview and other apps on
2024-05-26 01:26:44	Numero	rcf: turned out that needed to go in ~/.Xdefaults
2024-05-26 01:49:50	kode54	thank you rarebird15 (who is not here to see this) for the mention of onedriver
2024-05-26 02:14:54	pushrad	sudo isn't accepting my correct password. i entered my password into mousepad, and i can paste it into passwd's "current password" prompt to change my password, but sudo just says "Sorry, try again."
2024-05-26 02:15:14	madprops	did you have recent password failures in a row?
2024-05-26 02:26:41	Numero	pushrad: are you in the sudoers group?
2024-05-26 02:27:00	Numero	or in a group that is in the sudoers group?
2024-05-26 02:27:40	wantyapps	pushrad: happened to me just now! I fixed it somehow by `su`ing into myself, exiting the su, then trying sudo again
2024-05-26 02:27:43	wantyapps	good luck.
2024-05-26 02:28:07	wantyapps	notice, `su` without sudo. The command should be `su <user>` or `su <user> -`
2024-05-26 02:32:56	pushrad	wantyapps thank you
2024-05-26 02:33:04	pushrad	that fixed it
2024-05-26 02:33:06	wantyapps	yeeehawww it worked
2024-05-26 02:33:15	wantyapps	dayum I thought my fix was spontaneous 
2024-05-26 02:33:29	pushrad	🤠
2024-05-26 02:33:50	wantyapps	lmao I am so proud of st for being able to display that emoji
2024-05-26 02:39:09	sos666	it's a very nice rectangle
2024-05-26 02:44:01	wantyapps	sos666: on your side!
2024-05-26 03:04:28	Juest	hey, any idea about Ike Devolder key signatures being newer than the public key?
2024-05-26 03:04:42	Juest	gpg: public key DB323392796CA067 is 3037 days newer than the signature
2024-05-26 03:08:35	Juest	i've ran --refresh-keys on the pacman database
2024-05-26 03:51:26	Edu4rdSHL	Is that even a key from AL repos
2024-05-26 03:52:27	Edu4rdSHL	Also check your system's date
2024-05-26 04:00:54	gehidore	Juest you've been told before and this is the last time I'll tell you without action: we do not support artix here.
2024-05-26 04:31:29	Juest	Edu4rdSHL: gehidore: that key is from arch linux, the signatures say arch linux master key
2024-05-26 04:32:45	Juest	I just verified its in archlinux.gpg
2024-05-26 04:33:27	Juest	the mentioned user id
2024-05-26 04:35:21	Juest	Edu4rdSHL: the system date is fine
2024-05-26 04:38:53	Juest	I am reporting a genuine issue with archlinux.gpg
2024-05-26 04:45:35	Juest	is that clear? i have verified this on an arch linux VM i just installed
2024-05-26 04:46:42	Numero	"Crystal."
2024-05-26 04:51:18	cloudowind	hmm there is artix linux exists too this is the second arch based distro ive learned here in this room arco and artix
2024-05-26 04:52:16	Juest	cloudowind: yeah, and so there are many other arch derivatives, artix is not one of them apparently. also all those are not supported in this channel.
2024-05-26 04:53:30	cloudowind	yea sometimes there rules for a reason brother i dont know i wish i could help you , but they do set the rules and we just try to be polite and kind lear as much as we can and help as much as we can around those rules , hope you will sort your issue 
2024-05-26 04:55:11	rcf	Juest: if it’s verified on actual arch it’s fine to ask 
2024-05-26 04:57:49	kode54	gee
2024-05-26 04:57:51	kode54	I only just noticed
2024-05-26 04:57:57	kode54	gnome-control-center now requires gnome-shell
2024-05-26 05:01:58	ana_ana	I'm not surprised
2024-05-26 05:09:07	Edu4rdSHL	Gnome world domination <3
2024-05-26 05:11:01	ana_ana	I'm not a huge advocate for a DE that (in their infinite wisdom) decided that application authors must be the ones to implement window decorations
2024-05-26 05:12:25	ana_ana	what I do like is their laser focus on their vision
2024-05-26 05:30:09	FishBone000	I was trying to build a AUR package with `makepkg`. There's a "keys" directory in the root dir of the package repo. Am I supposed to import the keys under that directory myself?
2024-05-26 05:34:10	Edu4rdSHL	FishBone000, which package
2024-05-26 05:36:49	FishBone000	alacritty
2024-05-26 05:37:14	FishBone000	oh wait it's not AUR
2024-05-26 05:38:02	FishBone000	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/alacritty
2024-05-26 05:38:03	phrik	Title: Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / alacritty · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-26 05:38:50	UndeadLeech	Does building it fail?
2024-05-26 05:38:50	FishBone000	Was asking this because I thought makepkg would use the keys under that directory to verify source integrity, but it doesn't seem to be the fact
2024-05-26 05:38:53	FishBone000	yeah
2024-05-26 05:39:05	Juest	gnome is too simplistic for my tastes
2024-05-26 05:39:31	FishBone000	Failed because of coudln't verify source integrity, unknown public key
2024-05-26 05:41:52	UndeadLeech	Well archlinux keys are from package maintainers, not the developers. These keys are the developer keys, which you probably don't trust.
2024-05-26 05:43:06	FishBone000	That is what I have guessed. So I should import them myself to build the package, right?
2024-05-26 05:44:26	UndeadLeech	I'm not sure if that is the best solution, but it should work and is probably what I would do. (other than just ignoring keys)
2024-05-26 05:44:31	UndeadLeech	Why are you building it yourself btw?
2024-05-26 05:44:52	FishBone000	Want to apply a custom modification
2024-05-26 05:45:22	FishBone000	By modifying the PKGBUILD to apply a patch when building
2024-05-26 05:45:34	FishBone000	patch is written by myself ofc
2024-05-26 05:46:00	UndeadLeech	Just out of curiosity, what is your patch doing? Are you just pulling something from master?
2024-05-26 05:47:47	FishBone000	Check this: https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/pull/7963
2024-05-26 05:48:28	UndeadLeech	Makes sense, precalculation wasn't an option for you?
2024-05-26 05:48:34	FishBone000	I wasn't comfortable with alacritty's visual bell effect. It flashes the screen if a bell character is received. So I added a strength setting to make the effect less intense
2024-05-26 05:48:48	FishBone000	Nope, I think adding this option is better for me
2024-05-26 05:48:57	UndeadLeech	Fair enough.
2024-05-26 06:53:16	Edu4rdSHL	FishBone000, those keys are for https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/alacritty/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads#L20
2024-05-26 06:53:17	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / alacritty · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-26 07:46:12	low-key	i'm planning on setting up arch on a surface go 2 which is presently on fedora
2024-05-26 07:47:24	low-key	how much of all the nice qol stuff (autorotate, osk) is gnome and how much might be fedora in the background?
2024-05-26 07:47:35	low-key	want to know if i'll need to do anything beyond just installing arch
2024-05-26 07:51:33	FishBone000	Edu4rdSHL, yeah I know, just I have always thought makepkg would read the keys dir for the validgpgkeys array
2024-05-26 08:17:54	dumbledoor	When I buy a laptop, is it hardcoded in it if I have to use UEFI or BIOS. Similary, is it hardcoded in it if MBR partitioning table is allowed or GPT?
2024-05-26 08:21:09	dumbledoor	also, whether or not it supports uefi is coded where? on the laptop's firmware? where is this firmware located? on the machine's cpu?
2024-05-26 08:22:59	dumbledoor	NetSysFire: and i couldn't modify the stuff on motherboard? why is that so?
2024-05-26 08:23:25	rcf	dumbledoor: you can modify the firmware, but it's a case of "if you have to ask, you shouldn't." 
2024-05-26 08:25:55	dumbledoor	do i get to decide if i can use MBR or GPT partitioning?
2024-05-26 08:26:10	rcf	Usually. 
2024-05-26 08:26:29	rcf	Unless you're dual-booting with Windows, in which case no. 
2024-05-26 08:26:55	rcf	Or the firmware is a particularly poor implementation. 
2024-05-26 08:29:57	rcf	dumbledoor: as a rule, ask why you would not want GPT at this point. I use it even on BIOS systems where possible. 
2024-05-26 08:31:16	nigetilly	hey all
2024-05-26 08:31:22	rcf	!welcome
2024-05-26 08:31:24	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2024-05-26 08:32:10	nigetilly	just a quicky i got a new ssd hard drive coming ...i want to install windows on it for the odd game. whats the best way to setup a dual boot
2024-05-26 08:33:07	rcf	Install Windows first, leave space for Linux. 
2024-05-26 08:33:35	nigetilly	i was going to have them on different HDD
2024-05-26 08:46:21	nigetilly	you about rcf
2024-05-26 08:47:33	rcf	Indeed.
2024-05-26 08:51:25	nigetilly	if i install windows on one ....this arch on the other
2024-05-26 08:51:42	nigetilly	i can just select the boot drive on startup in bios
2024-05-26 08:51:45	nigetilly	cant i?
2024-05-26 08:53:29	rcf	Most likely. 
2024-05-26 08:53:31	rcf	Maybe. 
2024-05-26 08:53:33	rcf	It depends. 
2024-05-26 08:53:46	rcf	Some firmware is more annoying than others 
2024-05-26 08:54:41	nigetilly	ok
2024-05-26 08:55:24	nigetilly	if i was just 2 install them seperate and plug them is there a boot option i can add ?
2024-05-26 08:57:07	rcf	Your bootloader can probably handle this fine. 
2024-05-26 08:58:50	nigetilly	as in the one of arch linux?
2024-05-26 08:59:18	rcf	Whichever one you choose 
2024-05-26 09:01:06	nigetilly	umm could you list a couple
2024-05-26 09:03:17	nigetilly	like im using the grub boot loader for arch
2024-05-26 09:03:29	nigetilly	if i install windows ....reckon it will pick it up
2024-05-26 09:04:16	rcf	That should work fine 
2024-05-26 09:04:24	rcf	You'll need to reconfigure it, of course. 
2024-05-26 09:59:16	Aardwolf	Hi, I installed archlinux with cinnamon on a new computer. I want to have all settings (panel settings, file manager settings, etc..) same as on an old computer. I copied homedir from old computer to this homedir including all cinnamon settings. But when starting cinnamon it still looks like a fresh install
2024-05-26 09:59:36	Aardwolf	What files must I copy/overwrite to copy the cinnamon settings from old computer to this one?
2024-05-26 10:03:34	cloudowind	have you copied your .config? they usually hidden
2024-05-26 10:03:44	Aardwolf	yes, I copied everything with rsync
2024-05-26 10:04:14	rcf	As long as all dotfiles were copied properly it should work. 
2024-05-26 10:04:32	rcf	If not, there might be some cinnamon-settings weirdness going onm
2024-05-26 10:04:39	Aardwolf	my guess is maybe it's .config/dconf and maybe, despite logging out (but still being in gdm), it somehow overwrote it again with the old dconf after I swapped the homedirs...
2024-05-26 10:05:05	rcf	Always do such copying when logged out of the relevant account on both systems 
2024-05-26 10:05:28	Aardwolf	is there some way to exit any graphical desktops / gdm / ... but still have a text mode root terminal open?
2024-05-26 10:05:43	rcf	Ctrl+Alt+F2
2024-05-26 10:05:47	rcf	Or F3 or whatever 
2024-05-26 10:05:48	Aardwolf	I mean, I know ctrl+alt+F3 opens one, but then gdm is still active
2024-05-26 10:06:00	rcf	gdm will still be active, but as long as you're not logged in it won't matter. 
2024-05-26 10:06:33	Aardwolf	hmm that's already what I did last time so that wasn't it then :/ but I'll try again to copy the dconf settings from the old computer that way anyway
2024-05-26 10:06:50	⚡ 	rcf shall defer to more experienced cinnamon users, then.
2024-05-26 10:09:28	mpan	If dconf schemas differed, will simple copying work? If not, perhaps you need to dump the entire tree and repopulate it in a new profile?
2024-05-26 10:10:34	Aardwolf	it worked this time, I copied ~/.config/dconf/user from the old machine to the new one, and did reboot from the terminal. Last time I did not do reboot but just logged in again with gdm and it must have overwritten the dconf again with the old one then despite being logged out at first
2024-05-26 10:10:43	⚡ 	mpan rethinks, realizes that dconf itself wouldn’t care about that part.
2024-05-26 10:10:46	Aardwolf	so yay, nice to see my familiar setup on the new compute :)
2024-05-26 10:10:48	rcf	\o/
2024-05-26 10:21:16	dumbledoor	i have installed arch on a live usb. when i reboot my laptop, it does not show up as an option to boot into. how do i get it to show up?
2024-05-26 10:21:56	mpan	dumbledoor: Hello. Which guide did you follow?
2024-05-26 10:22:12	mpan	dumbledoor: (also, which bootloader)
2024-05-26 10:22:19	rcf	dumbledoor: which bootloader 
2024-05-26 10:23:43	dumbledoor	this one: i followed just this much: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_from_existing_Linux#Create_a_new_Arch_installation
2024-05-26 10:23:44	phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux from existing Linux - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-26 10:23:47	mpan	dumbledoor: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_on_a_removable_medium
2024-05-26 10:23:48	phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux on a removable medium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-26 10:26:42	⚡ 	mpan needs to take a nap. mpan hopes rcf takes over. o/
2024-05-26 10:27:09	dumbledoor	can grub be installed on the arch that is already running on my laptop. will that be able to show the drive of the usb arch?
2024-05-26 10:27:28	rcf	dumbledoor: of course, you can switch bootloaders whenever you want. 
2024-05-26 10:28:38	dumbledoor	currently, when i boot into my laptop, i see three options. arch, arch (fallback) and go into firmware interface. does the lack of other options mean that a bootloader is not installed?
2024-05-26 10:28:56	rcf	Can you boot into arch? 
2024-05-26 10:29:05	rcf	Which bootloader did you install? 
2024-05-26 10:29:20	dumbledoor	yes, i am running arch right now?
2024-05-26 10:29:33	dumbledoor	is installing a bootloader even part of regular arch installation on desktop?
2024-05-26 10:29:37	rcf	Yes. 
2024-05-26 10:29:45	rcf	grub or systemd-boot are the common choices. 
2024-05-26 10:30:09	rcf	syslinux if you're on BIOS, perhaps. 
2024-05-26 10:30:12	dumbledoor	oh, is it done before or during running the archinstall script (if one decides to use it)?
2024-05-26 10:30:26	rcf	Oh, archinstall.. 
2024-05-26 10:30:32	rcf	It should help you do it. 
2024-05-26 10:30:41	rcf	I believe it defaults to systemd-boot. 
2024-05-26 10:32:01	dumbledoor	is there a way i check grub is installed or not?
2024-05-26 10:32:17	dumbledoor	apropos grub shows nothing btw
2024-05-26 10:32:53	rcf	dumbledoor: do you have /boot/EFI/systemd/systemd-bootx64.efi? 
2024-05-26 10:33:11	dumbledoor	yes
2024-05-26 10:33:27	rcf	You have systemd-boot, then. 
2024-05-26 10:35:00	dumbledoor	oh, is there i can do now to get systemd-boot to register my arch on the live usb?
2024-05-26 10:36:15	dumbledoor	s/is there/is there something/
2024-05-26 10:36:16	rcf	I'm not sure that's actually possible. 
2024-05-26 10:36:30	rcf	For a removable drive, it should have its own bootloader setup. 
2024-05-26 10:36:39	rcf	You'd want to use your firmware to select the removable media 
2024-05-26 10:37:29	dumbledoor	by having it's own bootloader setup do you mean that the removable drive should i have it's own bootloader installed?
2024-05-26 10:37:38	rcf	If you used archinstall there, yes. 
2024-05-26 10:41:59	dumbledoor	i have a host archlinux and now a live usb archlinux. the host, from which i am typing right now, was installed using archinstall and the live usb archlinux was installed using the host archlinux. currently the live usb only has base linux and linux-firmware packages i think. both host and live usb use the same mirrorlist. i hope this doesn't change anything.
2024-05-26 10:42:54	rcf	So you tried the USB install manually? 
2024-05-26 10:43:02	rcf	You'll need to install an actual bootloader there. 
2024-05-26 10:45:07	dumbledoor	should i follow this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_on_a_removable_medium#GRUB for that?
2024-05-26 10:45:08	phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux on a removable medium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-26 10:45:17	rcf	You certainly could. 
2024-05-26 10:46:41	dumbledoor	ok thanks, imma give it a try
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2024-05-26 12:59:01	tryh4rd	hi
2024-05-26 12:59:06	tryh4rd	i use arch btw
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2024-05-26 13:00:03	virtualsid	;)
2024-05-26 13:00:38	tryh4rd	;)
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2024-05-26 13:00:49	tryh4rd	i use gnome
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2024-05-26 13:01:04	tryh4rd	i want to switch to awesome, or lxde, but i'm too lazy
2024-05-26 13:01:31	virtualsid	I haven't even heard of 'awesome'...
2024-05-26 13:01:52	virtualsid	A friend suggested i3 just a few years ago (2020?), and I haven't looked back since.
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2024-05-26 13:17:39	naught	tryh4rd: i use xfce btw
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2024-05-26 13:18:32	naught	i used i3 for a few years but now i just using the tiling built into vim. You really only need tiling for terminals anyway, most gui programs are designed for floating wms
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2024-05-26 13:24:15	h0ud1n	xfce goes pretty hard
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2024-05-26 13:32:40	virtualsid	what do you mean by that, h0ud1n?
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2024-05-26 15:25:59	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-26 15:25:59	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1444 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1444 regular)
2024-05-26 14:27:04	alad	virtualsid: imagine making your kids use i3
2024-05-26 14:27:18	alad	should I call social services
2024-05-26 14:28:10	mefistofeles	yes
2024-05-26 14:28:31	virtualsid	bah :P
2024-05-26 14:45:55	another|	Error! alad NaN
2024-05-26 14:46:04	alad	NaN
2024-05-26 14:57:57	virtualsid	lol
2024-05-26 14:58:18	virtualsid	social services can step down, I didn't make them use i3 in the end, alright? :P
2024-05-26 14:58:26	virtualsid	I let them choose, and they chose xfce :P
2024-05-26 15:12:23	naught	virtualsid: truly wonderful the mind of a child
2024-05-26 15:13:00	virtualsid	they do whinge sometimes, but mostly because there's no Minecraft Education on Linux, and it's a pain to get it working (last I heard, it just doesn't work at the moment)
2024-05-26 15:23:14	phrik	virtualsid: Arch Sucks™
2024-05-26 15:24:31	virtualsid	hah
2024-05-26 15:24:45	virtualsid	we do play minecraft java edition, purely because it runs on linux too
2024-05-26 15:25:02	virtualsid	and also later the knowledge, that it has good server software.
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2024-05-26 15:34:21	MrElendig	java edition is arguably better than bedrock anyway
2024-05-26 15:34:29	MrElendig	from a gameplay perpective
2024-05-26 15:37:32	virtualsid	Heh, at the time, I wanted something that worked on a mac, as I was more mac than linux. So it worked out.
2024-05-26 15:41:11	Web_Anon	greetings
2024-05-26 15:44:45	Web_Anon	I'm not at home and can do vulkaninfo
2024-05-26 15:44:55	Web_Anon	though I don't know what you want me to share
2024-05-26 15:44:58	Web_Anon	cuz that's a ton
2024-05-26 15:45:04	phrik	Web_Anon: Greetings, observer of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get ruined today?
2024-05-26 15:45:38	phrik	Title: FGA: Please follow the standard litany when giving a problem report. (at www.co.kerr.tx.us)
2024-05-26 15:46:15	Namarrgon	You are _now_ at home?
2024-05-26 15:46:53	Web_Anon	yeh
2024-05-26 15:48:38	Web_Anon	the discussion with me was about vulkan and nouveau lutris was trying to use nouveau
2024-05-26 15:48:49	Web_Anon	and I went and purged it
2024-05-26 15:49:45	Namarrgon	oh, the -Rdd thing
2024-05-26 15:49:49	Web_Anon	yeh
2024-05-26 15:50:10	Web_Anon	I'm running EpicGames and even installing fortnite now
2024-05-26 15:50:19	Web_Anon	XD
2024-05-26 15:53:59	Web_Anon	currently trying to figure out how to downsize windows on hyprland
2024-05-26 16:03:29	dumbledoor	i want to install arch on a usb drive to use gparted on it to resize partitions on my host arch system (from which i'm typing this)
2024-05-26 16:03:32	BrainDamage	nouveau is part of the kernel, you cannot really delete it, unless you mean lutris
2024-05-26 16:03:40	dumbledoor	how can i run archinstall on it?
2024-05-26 16:04:25	dumbledoor	oh, i can just download it?!
2024-05-26 16:06:21	haggot	Install it on the USB as you would normally on a computer
2024-05-26 16:07:18	BrainDamage	the only care is that you absoutely cannot use partition letters, only labels or uuids
2024-05-26 16:08:08	haggot	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_on_a_removable_medium
2024-05-26 16:08:09	phrik	Title: Install Arch Linux on a removable medium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-26 16:11:20	Web_Anon	I'm using arch linux inside on an external SSD. it's pretty simple if you follow https://mags.zone/help/arch-usb.html
2024-05-26 16:11:21	phrik	Title: ArchLinux USB (at mags.zone)
2024-05-26 16:11:32	Web_Anon	you can just add whatever during the install process
2024-05-26 16:15:00	haggot	Alternatively you could just resize the partition with the install medium using the vanilla lvm2 program
2024-05-26 16:24:30	dumbledoor	i'm running archinstall while chrooted to the usb. inside disk configuration, there are three options. use a best-effort default partitionlayout, manual partitioning and pre-mounted configuration. which one should i choose?
2024-05-26 16:25:21	dumbledoor	i want the usb drive to be the single partition for everything
2024-05-26 16:30:58	Web_Anon	don't use make a /home partition then
2024-05-26 16:31:09	Web_Anon	just a good old linux filesystem
2024-05-26 16:35:09	Web_Anon	the EFI and linux filesystem
2024-05-26 16:35:14	Web_Anon	unless you want swap
2024-05-26 16:38:20	dumbledoor	i tried the first option (use a best effort default partition layout) and selected my usb drive in there (/dev/sdb). My config was this: https://paste.debian.net/1318157/. But I got this error: https://paste.debian.net/1318159/
2024-05-26 16:38:24	dumbledoor	Any idea what's wrong?
2024-05-26 17:06:27	espresso	furetto: the difference is that dkms modules will automatically rebuild during a kernel upgrade. This is not needed if you install a hook (as described in wiki) to rebuild nvidia with a kernel upgrade
2024-05-26 17:10:34	espresso	furetto: the guide may be fine. It seems to draw mostly from https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA and related, which you can double check with
2024-05-26 17:10:36	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-26 19:24:15	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-26 17:37:46	demonicm1niac1	furetto: espresso: not a fan of the guide it installs yay for no reason for systems that don't need aur ancient nvidia packages but work with current
2024-05-26 17:42:19	espresso	demonicm1niac1: ah yes. better to explain without yay
2024-05-26 17:44:02	demonicm1niac1	espresso: also i seem to recall that 6.7 or 6.8 deprecated legacy drm stuff so 340 and such don't work with nvidia.drm things
2024-05-26 17:44:29	demonicm1niac1	not 100% sure on that but a lot of the modules don't exist for ancient drivers they want to add for early kms
2024-05-26 17:57:26	flower_	meh netbook install, no internet via ethernet after reboot
2024-05-26 17:59:13	flower_	no wifi ok, I've been there, but no ethernet?
2024-05-26 17:59:50	⚡ 	flower_ is looking at how systemd can be blaimed for this
2024-05-26 17:59:52	demonicm1niac1	did you install anything for ethernet
2024-05-26 18:00:05	flower_	nope
2024-05-26 18:00:27	demonicm1niac1	then how would there be internet after install?
2024-05-26 18:00:38	flower_	I've installed networkmanager
2024-05-26 18:02:38	flower_	ah thx for asking :)
2024-05-26 18:02:51	flower_	ok works :)
2024-05-26 18:03:49	espresso	may the arch be with you
2024-05-26 18:04:16	Web_Anon	just went from kde to hyprland
2024-05-26 18:04:21	Web_Anon	loving it
2024-05-26 18:04:24	flower_	I blame systemd for having to active it
2024-05-26 18:04:32	Web_Anon	so smooth.. so fluent. fast as fk
2024-05-26 18:05:34	flower_	everything is smooth after kde
2024-05-26 18:05:35	chromas	but does it have cube?
2024-05-26 18:05:45	⚡ 	flower_ couldn't resist
2024-05-26 18:06:29	Web_Anon	it's too bad I can't use those kde-applications anymore tho
2024-05-26 18:06:39	espresso	flower_: installing then enabling services is pretty standard for arch. and kde is very smooth here.
2024-05-26 18:08:15	Web_Anon	now I just need to figure out how to find my flatpak installs
2024-05-26 18:08:15	espresso	I don't use a lot of cubes though ;)
2024-05-26 18:10:32	BrainDamage	Web_Anon: flatpak info --show-location name
2024-05-26 18:10:53	Web_Anon	need to make alias for all these
2024-05-26 18:11:51	espresso	still, perhaps I'd be impressed with speed of hyprland :) so much linux stuff to try
2024-05-26 18:12:55	Web_Anon	it's worth to try
2024-05-26 18:13:42	Web_Anon	maybe try it on VM 1st
2024-05-26 18:13:47	Web_Anon	before switching over
2024-05-26 18:16:20	Web_Anon	everytime i use alias <name>='value'..
2024-05-26 18:16:20	Web_Anon	it gets deleted after I log out
2024-05-26 18:16:50	Web_Anon	I've doing nano ~/fish/config.fish everytime I want to add more alias
2024-05-26 18:17:03	Web_Anon	this is how you're suppose to add these right?
2024-05-26 18:17:06	espresso	Web_Anon: correct
2024-05-26 18:17:26	Web_Anon	so the alias <name>='value' is on temporary?
2024-05-26 18:17:41	espresso	yes, like many things in shells
2024-05-26 18:17:53	Web_Anon	alright, just making sure
2024-05-26 18:17:54	Web_Anon	thanks
2024-05-26 18:21:44	espresso	Web_Anon: all for one, one for all!  Persistent aliases, now that's a fresh perspective!
2024-05-26 18:37:03	Brottweiler	Web_Anon: I don't know if using the config is wrong or not, but you can use alias -s to save it
2024-05-26 18:39:44	kompowiec2	hm ok, finally i get  * branch master -> FETCH_HEAD but I still don't see the package in my account. I understand that new AUR packages are somehow checked? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/n84xI6u5/submit
2024-05-26 18:39:45	phrik	Title: Snippet | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2024-05-26 18:40:41	espresso	Brottweiler: I was assuming fish aliases were defined in a config like other shells, but it could be any file. So if 'alias -s' knows where to save them, that's smart.
2024-05-26 18:41:17	kompowiec2	oh, I forgot to shorten it with an unnecessary pacman.
2024-05-26 18:41:26	Brottweiler	espresso: it saves them to ~/.config/fish/functions
2024-05-26 18:44:44	kompowiec2	apart from that it should be ok.
2024-05-26 18:45:01	Namarrgon	kompowiec2: Have you read the aur submission guidelines?
2024-05-26 18:46:55	kompowiec2	of course. I only made a mistake by sending it too early, so I tried to undo it somehow.
2024-05-26 18:47:21	kompowiec2	but in the end I think it succeeded in sending if I understand correctly.
2024-05-26 18:48:12	Namarrgon	'saytime'? I don't see that in the AUR.
2024-05-26 18:48:25	kompowiec2	yeah because i want add new package
2024-05-26 18:49:10	kompowiec2	i want add also ai horde or tabletop club
2024-05-26 18:49:13	Namarrgon	What did you mean by 'succeeded' then?
2024-05-26 18:49:34	kompowiec2	latest command i guess
2024-05-26 18:53:14	glitsj16	kompowiec2: FYI, https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/betterbird-bin already exists (not sure if that's yours)
2024-05-26 18:53:17	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - betterbird-bin (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-05-26 18:53:24	kompowiec2	ach, git pull  ! [rejected]        master -> master (non-fast-forward) error: failed to push some refs to 'ssh://aur.archlinux.org/pkgbase.git' hint: Updates were rejected because a pushed branch tip is behind its remote  
2024-05-26 18:53:48	kompowiec2	glitsj16: yes, I had to take something as an example when writing my own script ;p
2024-05-26 18:54:14	glitsj16	kompowiec2: git fu might need some dusting/practicing ;)
2024-05-26 19:01:59	Ena0	I have an nvidia optimus laptop. When I connect an external screen it's really laggy while on my laptop screen it's fluent. Any ideas how to fix that?
2024-05-26 19:02:11	kompowiec2	hmm ya, it's seems merge conflict :)
2024-05-26 19:03:48	Ena0	I can fix that on a xorg session by using xrandr to change resolution and then to change it back. On wayland xrandr obvioulsy doens't work so I have no clue how to make the lagg go away.
2024-05-26 19:04:39	Ena0	Also the lagg goes away whenever I open my laptop lid. When I close it it starts lagging again.
2024-05-26 19:09:10	teraflops	Ena0: check that you have set prime sync
2024-05-26 19:09:38	teraflops	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PRIME 2.3 PRIME synchronization
2024-05-26 19:09:40	phrik	Title: PRIME - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-26 19:12:03	Ena0	teraflops: I'm on wayland. There's no xrandr for that/
2024-05-26 19:12:54	Ena0	teraflops: I don't have this issue on x11
2024-05-26 19:13:00	Ena0	Is there a way to fix it on wayland?
2024-05-26 19:17:33	teraflops	hmm, idk
2024-05-26 19:18:21	teraflops	when I use usbc output tied to the dgpu with lid closed I have to lag
2024-05-26 19:18:34	teraflops	to/no
2024-05-26 19:22:18	teraflops	Ena0: which DE/WM are you using?
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2024-05-26 19:54:39	conr	is there any gotchas when using a usb archlinux live medium to `dd` one nvme ssd to another ssd on the same motherboard?
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2024-05-26 19:54:52	conr	does it matter that the disk has windows OS on it?
2024-05-26 19:55:35	conr	using `dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=64K conv=noerror,sync status=progress`
2024-05-26 19:57:01	heythere221	Hi I did a pacman -Syu but my system powered off during hooks. Idk when exactly. Now I cannot boot into it. I used a live medium and did pacman —overwrite “linux” cause it thrower a bunch of errors after trying to reinstall the kernel. Now it boots but all SDDM config etc are gone.
2024-05-26 19:57:24	heythere221	I still have the pacman .lck file. Can I do something with it?
2024-05-26 19:57:40	heythere221	Also timeshift isn’t working nothing is
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2024-05-26 19:58:32	heythere221	NetSysFire: ok let me boot up my live usb again and check.
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2024-05-26 19:59:02	heythere221	Was it ok to throw a —overwrite into pacman?
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2024-05-26 22:16:01	heythere221	topcat001: same error lmao it’s ridiculous
2024-05-26 22:16:33	heythere221	Need to wait for the hooks to finish and I’ll check if home is still there.
2024-05-26 22:16:54	heythere221	Btw why didn’t the pacman-static and all that other methods work?
2024-05-26 22:17:02	heythere221	Just wondering any ideas?
2024-05-26 22:18:29	heythere221	Btw cool Reddit post I’ll definitely do this.
2024-05-26 22:18:45	teraflops	heythere221: until I found out I had to use nvidia-open I had to restore from backup 3 times in a row, I was about to give up on arch linux
2024-05-26 22:18:48	heythere221	Pacstrap didn’t wipe my home
2024-05-26 22:19:25	heythere221	teraflops: yeah just thought about installing Manjaro or something xD but since it’s based on arch it might encounter the same problems.
2024-05-26 22:19:31	teraflops	I do keep a full system backup, I just have to rsync back
2024-05-26 22:19:33	Web_Anon	pacstrap just installs packages.. doesn't mean it's gonna wipe it
2024-05-26 22:19:36	heythere221	But I used Manjaro before and didn’t have this.
2024-05-26 22:20:06	heythere221	teraflops does power management work with your card?
2024-05-26 22:20:12	teraflops	yes
2024-05-26 22:20:16	heythere221	On NVIDIA Open.
2024-05-26 22:20:24	teraflops	yes
2024-05-26 22:20:26	heythere221	What gen do you have?
2024-05-26 22:20:52	teraflops	rtx 4070 maxq mobile
2024-05-26 22:22:14	heythere221	All right thx.
2024-05-26 22:22:51	heythere221	Web_Anonyeah thx we weren’t sure so I just tested out to confirm since I’m reinstalling again
2024-05-26 22:23:01	Web_Anon	is rtx 4070 mobile and 2060 mobile the same size?
2024-05-26 22:23:18	HuntsMan	Web_Anon: same size?
2024-05-26 22:23:19	heythere221	I have Rtx 2060 mobile
2024-05-26 22:23:33	Web_Anon	planning on upgrading what I have on laptop
2024-05-26 22:23:38	Web_Anon	wondering if it'll fit
2024-05-26 22:23:48	teraflops	mine is soldered
2024-05-26 22:23:49	heythere221	What kind of laptop do you have xD
2024-05-26 22:23:58	HuntsMan	laptop GPUs are generally not upgradable
2024-05-26 22:24:01	heythere221	Web_Anon
2024-05-26 22:24:17	mefistofeles	I'm pretty sure power management on my GPU is not working as well as it could
2024-05-26 22:24:17	heythere221	You could plug in an external one tho
2024-05-26 22:24:28	mefistofeles	built-in GPU, that is
2024-05-26 22:24:37	teraflops	mine says p3 on nvidia-smi
2024-05-26 22:25:02	Web_Anon	 CPU : Intel i7-9750H (12) @ 4.500GHz
2024-05-26 22:25:03	Web_Anon	 GPU : NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 Mobile
2024-05-26 22:25:03	Web_Anon	 GPU : Intel CoffeeLake-H GT2 [UHD Graphics 630]
2024-05-26 22:25:04	Web_Anon	  GPU Driver : ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1fee]
2024-05-26 22:25:04	Web_Anon	﬙ Memory : 6392MiB / 15845MiB
2024-05-26 22:25:10	teraflops	but most of the time is just suspended
2024-05-26 22:25:27	mefistofeles	teraflops: oh, what are the different P* again
2024-05-26 22:25:28	mefistofeles	?
2024-05-26 22:26:16	Web_Anon	running on hyprland right now, and I am just blown away on how smooth everything runs
2024-05-26 22:26:57	mefistofeles	Web_Anon: nice, what were you running before that?
2024-05-26 22:27:05	Web_Anon	KDE
2024-05-26 22:27:13	mefistofeles	Web_Anon: wayland or X?
2024-05-26 22:27:19	Web_Anon	X11
2024-05-26 22:27:20	teraflops	mefistofeles: ah it was active so that is why p3
2024-05-26 22:27:28	teraflops	The P-State of the gpu as shown by nvidia-smi ranges from P8 (idle) to P0 (max), maybe a higher one for boost.
2024-05-26 22:27:40	heythere221	Web_Anon yeah I want smooth too but it didn’t come out to be smooth
2024-05-26 22:27:43	mefistofeles	Web_Anon: ah right, that's probably one of the reasons, I've found wayland in general is smoother and snappier, regardless of the DE/WM
2024-05-26 22:27:49	Web_Anon	if I open too many apps at the same time, the damn thing just crashes
2024-05-26 22:28:04	Web_Anon	ah
2024-05-26 22:28:20	Web_Anon	ok, I'll need to hop onto Plasman - Wayland instead of X11 then
2024-05-26 22:28:23	heythere221	teraflopsi thought p state just applies for cpu not gpu?
2024-05-26 22:28:35	mefistofeles	teraflops: mine says P8, but I don't trust it :P 
2024-05-26 22:28:40	Web_Anon	I had some conflicting packages which was not letting me use wayland on my external monitor
2024-05-26 22:28:58	Web_Anon	HDMI-A-1 was not getting detected on wayland sessions
2024-05-26 22:29:15	Web_Anon	accidentally fixed it while setting up lutris
2024-05-26 22:29:20	mefistofeles	Web_Anon: I see, no idea about that
2024-05-26 22:29:28	mefistofeles	maybe some custom config that was getting in the way?
2024-05-26 22:29:32	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-05-26 22:29:43	Web_Anon	i think it was cuz of linux-firmware
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2024-05-26 22:30:09	teraflops	mefistofeles: https://paste.priet.us/screenshot_2024-05-26-22-30-00.png p8
2024-05-26 22:30:29	heythere221	teraflops I trust you that NVIDIA-open works ;)
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2024-05-26 22:30:49	mefistofeles	teraflops: here I have an Xorg running on it :/ all the time, but it's P8
2024-05-26 22:30:55	Web_Anon	nooooo, after all those hours waiting for the download
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2024-05-26 22:31:01	Web_Anon	Crashed
2024-05-26 22:31:18	teraflops	but here it's suspended
2024-05-26 22:31:25	teraflops	unless I use it
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2024-05-26 22:31:51	mefistofeles	teraflops: well, so it says here, I just don't trust it :P
2024-05-26 22:31:59	mefistofeles	also, not sure why I have an Xorg running all the time
2024-05-26 22:32:09	mefistofeles	on that GPU
2024-05-26 22:32:18	teraflops	hm I don't
2024-05-26 22:32:50	mefistofeles	it's been like that since the beginning of times with this machine, who knows
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2024-05-26 22:33:49	Juest	hey, would anyone be able to confirm that refreshing the archlinux pacman gpg keys either via pacman-key --refresh-keys or archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync leads to ike devolder key being years newer than the signatures in it?
2024-05-26 22:33:50	teraflops	this laptop isn't optimus, maybe that is why it behaves differently
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2024-05-26 22:35:41	mefistofeles	teraflops: yeah, maybe
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2024-05-26 22:38:03	heythere221	Who’s this Christian Hesse guy? Is he present on this channel?
2024-05-26 22:38:17	mefistofeles	hm?
2024-05-26 22:38:32	heythere221	mefistofeles https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/systemd/-/issues/26
2024-05-26 22:38:33	phrik	Title: Reconsider udevadm trigger in systemd-hook, continouous kernel panics are happening (#26) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / systemd · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-26 22:38:41	heythere221	The one who got this task assigned.
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2024-05-26 22:39:18	heythere221	Also I remember he fixed some systemd stuff with unable to umount some NVIDIA stuff back in the day during poweroff
2024-05-26 22:39:25	heythere221	Can’t remember the issue anymore.
2024-05-26 22:39:53	teraflops	the mux switch thing has 3 modes, integrated hybrid and dedicated gpu, when it is in integrated mode the gpu isn't even showing in lspci and when it is in dedicated it is not rendering through the integrated it is tied directly to the outputs
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2024-05-26 22:40:54	alad	I like how not a single person in that thread created /etc/systemd/do-not-udevadm-trigger-on-update
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2024-05-26 22:42:25	heythere221	alad this wouldn’t work anyways.
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2024-05-26 22:42:42	alad	that's what the other guys who didn't know how to create a file said as well
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2024-05-26 22:43:24	teraflops	as on person that is suffering the nvidia bug I can assure that https://paste.priet.us/screenshot_2024-05-26-22-30-00.png did not fix anything
2024-05-26 22:43:32	teraflops	one
2024-05-26 22:43:42	teraflops	oops pastefail
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2024-05-26 22:43:43	heythere221	alad the panic happens because of invalid kernel pointer in cgroupsfs. System ctl daemon would likely trigger this as well.
2024-05-26 22:43:52	teraflops	I meant /etc/systemd/do-not-udevadm-trigger-on-update
2024-05-26 22:43:57	Web_Anon	do I need to User=<username> with Session=Hyprland to change my autologin from KDE to hyprland?
2024-05-26 22:44:00	heythere221	According to one person here in the irc if you read the whole conversation.
2024-05-26 22:44:09	alad	then you're barking against the wrong tree
2024-05-26 22:44:18	Web_Anon	in /etc/sddm.conf
2024-05-26 22:44:29	heythere221	yhndnzj said this. Also I tried everything.
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2024-05-26 22:45:27	heythere221	Also pacman-static doesn’t help either.
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2024-05-26 23:11:05	teraflops	alad: remember !bettergifs? now there is extra/gifski
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2024-05-26 23:11:09	Web_Anon	I now have alot of hatred against X11
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2024-05-26 23:11:29	Web_Anon	`sudo pacman -Rdd xorg` should do the trick, yeah?
2024-05-26 23:11:51	alad	teraflops: the time is now.. of 100mb gifs?
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2024-05-26 23:12:16	alad	Web_Anon: only if you hate yourself as well
2024-05-26 23:12:27	teraflops	-rw-r--r--  1 teraflops teraflops 108010 may 21 18:16 out.gif
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2024-05-26 23:12:39	alad	hmm
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2024-05-26 23:13:48	teraflops	well that is from a 248K webm 
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2024-05-26 23:17:14	teraflops	I'm going to generate one
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2024-05-26 23:21:18	teraflops	https://paste.priet.us/out.gif 4,4 M
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2024-05-27 17:24:16	ℹ 	Topic set by phrik (~phrik@phrik.archlinux.org) on Sat, 10 Feb 2024 18:25:44
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2024-05-27 17:24:18	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-27 17:33:05	Web_Anon	I'm debating if I should just.... uninstall plasma all together
2024-05-27 17:33:12	Web_Anon	including sddm
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2024-05-27 17:34:12	espresso	Web_Anon: problems with it?
2024-05-27 17:34:36	Web_Anon	yeah. I'm stuck on X11
2024-05-27 17:34:43	Web_Anon	everytime it auto logins
2024-05-27 17:34:48	Web_Anon	it just switched to X11
2024-05-27 17:35:08	◥	agrmohit (~agrmohit@user/agrmohit) has joined #archlinux
2024-05-27 17:35:11	Web_Anon	and deleting kde wallet didn't fix it
2024-05-27 17:35:42	Namarrgon	Did you set up auto-login?
2024-05-27 17:35:42	Web_Anon	whenever I try to select a plasma wayland.... it just reverts to X11
2024-05-27 17:35:52	Web_Anon	yeah
2024-05-27 17:35:58	Namarrgon	How?
2024-05-27 17:36:12	Web_Anon	sddm login - behaviour
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2024-05-27 17:36:40	Web_Anon	I'm using hyprland at the moment
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2024-05-27 17:52:30	espresso	Web_Anon: I don't know if ~/.local/share/sddm/wayland-session.log might have some useful info. I assume you have plasma-wayland-session. There seem to be a few bugs (https://bugs.kde.org ) re. sddm, like applying login settings. ..but you left, so...
2024-05-27 17:52:35	phrik	Title: KDE Bugtracking System Main Page (at bugs.kde.org)
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2024-05-27 17:53:25	gehidore	!ops test
2024-05-27 17:53:27	phrik	gehidore: Say what?
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2024-05-27 17:53:31	Web_Anon	back
2024-05-27 17:53:35	phrik	NetSysFire: Eh?
2024-05-27 17:53:41	Web_Anon	and I just completely deleted plasma
2024-05-27 17:53:48	gehidore	demize !ops be broken
2024-05-27 17:54:15	espresso	Web_Anon: I don't know if ~/.local/share/sddm/wayland-session.log might have some useful info. I assume you have plasma-wayland-session. There seem to be a few bugs (https://bugs.kde.org ) re. sddm, like applying login settings. ..but you left, so...
2024-05-27 17:54:18	phrik	Title: KDE Bugtracking System Main Page (at bugs.kde.org)
2024-05-27 17:54:34	Web_Anon	all good, I'm just gonna use hyprland from now on
2024-05-27 17:55:36	xx	!ops a b c
2024-05-27 17:55:36	phrik	xx: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
2024-05-27 17:55:43	Web_Anon	I just pacman -R all of these
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2024-05-27 17:56:00	xx	funny bot, but broken
2024-05-27 17:56:10	BrainDamage	!phrik
2024-05-27 17:56:11	phrik	Forever broken, but I'm still not your butler.
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2024-05-27 17:56:21	Web_Anon	https://paste.linux.chat/?afeb6f6207c36200#5Aqj888uWVNLuvt6diBPdJKvmpTVFvPLurEeXE5ra3LY
2024-05-27 17:56:21	phrik	Title: Linux.Chat PrivateBin (at paste.linux.chat)
2024-05-27 17:56:22	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XZCj.txt
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2024-05-27 17:57:32	Web_Anon	wha
2024-05-27 17:57:45	Web_Anon	need to learn 0x0 then
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2024-05-27 17:58:30	BrainDamage	some users connect from console terminals only / have javascript disabled, so encrypted pastebins are unredable
2024-05-27 17:58:46	Web_Anon	like irssi?
2024-05-27 17:58:46	BrainDamage	moreover, I'd question the utility of an encrypted pastebin in a public channel
2024-05-27 17:59:04	phrik	Title: Create new paste (at bpa.st)
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2024-05-27 18:01:43	Web_Anon	how do you post and retrice links from 0x0.st?
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2024-05-27 18:03:27	BrainDamage	the 0x0.st page has examples to submit links
2024-05-27 18:03:37	BrainDamage	there's also !0x0 for a quick reminder
2024-05-27 18:03:39	BrainDamage	!0x0
2024-05-27 18:03:40	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
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2024-05-27 18:18:50	kaatayra	hello, I have a problem with using pamac-aur on arch, endeavourOS and cachyOS. on all of those i often get stuck at "Synchronizing package databases...". how do I fix this?
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2024-05-27 18:19:12	mefistofeles	kaatayra: sadly not an arch question, have you tried contacting the devs of the package?
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2024-05-27 18:20:43	kaatayra	oh, I will do that. can you point me to a channel/server?
2024-05-27 18:20:55	mefistofeles	kaatayra: https://gitlab.manjaro.org/applications/pamac
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2024-05-27 18:22:29	kaatayra	thank you
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2024-05-27 19:28:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-27 19:28:33	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1467 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1467 regular)
2024-05-27 18:42:29	plasma	hi
2024-05-27 18:42:40	Edu4rdSHL	!welcome
2024-05-27 18:42:41	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2024-05-27 18:42:42	mpan	plasma: hello.
2024-05-27 18:43:03	plasma	i wanted to update an orphaned package which i took care about on the AUR
2024-05-27 18:43:28	plasma	i have problems making the change using ssh, it doesnt seem to accept the ssh key
2024-05-27 18:43:54	Edu4rdSHL	Did you followed the ArchWiki steps and added your key, etc?
2024-05-27 18:44:12	plasma	i set git config --global user.name and git config --global user.email according to my data, and the correct ssh key is added
2024-05-27 18:44:29	Edu4rdSHL	Added to where?
2024-05-27 18:44:42	plasma	in the profile on AUR?
2024-05-27 18:45:18	Edu4rdSHL	You've done this? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR_submission_guidelines#Authentication
2024-05-27 18:45:19	phrik	Title: AUR submission guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-27 18:45:39	Edu4rdSHL	If so, please post the log of the issue that you're having
2024-05-27 18:45:52	plasma	ah i missed that
2024-05-27 18:57:35	plasma	Edu4rdSHL: successfully pushed
2024-05-27 18:57:41	plasma	thx for support!
2024-05-27 18:57:46	PowaBanga	hi everybody
2024-05-27 18:58:52	PowaBanga	I am on archlinux with cinnamon and optimus-manage-qt install, an i have un problem when i lauch application in full scree with prime-run
2024-05-27 18:59:55	PowaBanga	it's the desktop i like freezed on the last picture on my nvidia fullscreened app
2024-05-27 18:59:55	PowaBanga	but they are yet running...
2024-05-27 19:00:18	PowaBanga	it's like X11 do not come back in the front of the screen
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2024-05-27 22:49:08	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-27 22:49:08	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1475 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1475 regular)
2024-05-27 19:59:07	topcat001	PowaBanga: and it never recovers?
2024-05-27 20:02:54	PowaBanga	topcat001: no
2024-05-27 20:04:01	PowaBanga	 cmd: export DISPLAY=:0 cinnamon --replace ⇢ https://0x0.st/XNrL.txt
2024-05-27 20:04:51	topcat001	PowaBanga: The desktop is still working? As in new windows will open but not visible?
2024-05-27 20:05:12	topcat001	not even a few random pixels show?
2024-05-27 20:05:35	PowaBanga	i think, because my hexchat client is still connected to my znc boucner...
2024-05-27 20:06:10	topcat001	Did you follow the wiki exactly?
2024-05-27 20:06:16	PowaBanga	and i can ear it ring when i recieve some messages
2024-05-27 20:14:34	PowaBanga	 cmd: pacman -Qs nvidia ⇢ https://0x0.st/XNrW.txt
2024-05-27 20:14:55	PowaBanga	 cmd: cat /etc/modprobe.d/01_nividia_drm ⇢ https://0x0.st/XNr4.txt
2024-05-27 20:15:10	PowaBanga	 cmd: cat /etc/mkinitcpio.conf ⇢ https://0x0.st/XNrJ.txt
2024-05-27 20:16:04	PowaBanga	 cmd: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-optimus-manager.conf ⇢ https://0x0.st/XNrt.txt
2024-05-27 20:16:11	topcat001	PowaBanga: This will sound strange, sorry, but can you try running picom with glx backend and vsync on?
2024-05-27 20:16:27	topcat001	not with prime, just regular
2024-05-27 20:16:37	topcat001	then run the prime app
2024-05-27 20:19:06	PowaBanga	ho
2024-05-27 20:19:22	PowaBanga	should i lauchn picom in any TTY ?
2024-05-27 20:20:49	PowaBanga	 cmd: picom --backend glx --vsync ⇢ https://0x0.st/XNrw.txt
2024-05-27 20:26:35	PowaBanga	ok i will stop lightdm and retry
2024-05-27 20:29:34	PowaBanga	 cmd: picom --backend glx --vsync ⇢ https://0x0.st/XNrg.txt
2024-05-27 20:29:52	PowaBanga	 cmd: export DISPLAY=:0 picom --backend glx --vsync ⇢ https://0x0.st/XNrE.txt
2024-05-27 20:31:05	PowaBanga	 cmd: DISPLAY=:0 picom --backend glx --vsync ⇢ https://0x0.st/XNrI.txt
2024-05-27 20:37:22	PowaBanga	ok i tried on gnome just now, this issue seem is from cinnamon....
2024-05-27 20:37:33	PowaBanga	i do not have this issue on gnome
2024-05-27 20:37:34	gehidore	What fancy tool are you using to generate these colored command responses?
2024-05-27 20:39:32	topcat001	yes I think you need to run a (glx) compositor.
2024-05-27 20:39:40	PowaBanga	ha that's an alias that i did to send them to my bouncer gehidore . I just writte "sirc archlinux command" and it do the rest
2024-05-27 20:39:54	PowaBanga	cinnamon is not a glx compositor ?
2024-05-27 20:40:14	topcat001	I have had several similar issues with my optimus machines. I run i3 and need tearfree anyway so I run picom.
2024-05-27 20:40:28	topcat001	which incidentally also fixes all these issues.
2024-05-27 20:40:42	topcat001	I have no idea about cinnamon (or even gnome TBH)
2024-05-27 20:40:55	topcat001	However gnome def runs a compositor
2024-05-27 20:41:55	topcat001	To test with picom, you can run cinnamon but (somehow) disable its compositor and run picom from a terminal. Then do the prime test.
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2024-05-27 20:52:16	teraflops	for gnome there is switcheroo-control that integrates a context menu to run any program with the dedicated gpu
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2024-05-27 20:52:37	teraflops	I do not use xorg anymore but it works ok using wyland
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2024-05-27 20:53:20	teraflops	it has a command line tool as well
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2024-05-27 20:57:37	PowaBanga	hm thank you very much,  this will take some time to look
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2024-05-27 20:58:21	PowaBanga	is there a way to disable the virtual keyboard  on gnome ? this spam my sreen everytime i trie to writte
2024-05-27 20:58:36	demonicm1niac1	isn't cinnamon wayland backend still alpha?
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2024-05-27 21:00:41	teraflops	PowaBanga: in accessibility options?
2024-05-27 21:00:44	demonicm1niac1	have you confirmed yet that gnome/cinnamon both are either wayland or x11?
2024-05-27 21:00:54	demonicm1niac1	so it's not a wayland vs xorg issue
2024-05-27 21:01:03	PowaBanga	ha
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2024-05-27 21:01:21	PowaBanga	ho so demonicm1niac1  brb i will test that
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2024-05-27 21:07:08	PowaBanga	ok so, on cinnamon wayland, it work work without issue, not on cinnamon X11... On gnome, it work without issue on X11 and wayand
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2024-05-27 21:07:23	Edu4rdSHL	Gnome <3
2024-05-27 21:07:36	PowaBanga	so, that's seem to be from cinnamon X11 only
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2024-05-27 21:09:16	plasma	if anybody cares, i have fixed moksha-git, e_dbus, moksha-module-emprint-git, and moksha-modules-extra-git in AUR, so everbody can use and benefit from the (imo) wonderfull fork from enlightenment17 again (and the engage dock)
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2024-05-27 21:28:54	PowaBanga	gehidore, I just posted my alias on gitlab if you're interseted : https://gitlab.com/-/snippets/3713499
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2024-05-27 21:34:26	KillerWasp	hello. i'm build a installer for Archlinux (or any other distro if it's the way), and i have a problem for detect the type of DE or DM for make a properly automatic run app. How to do it?
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2024-05-27 21:34:50	Edu4rdSHL	YOh no, another "installer"
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2024-05-27 21:35:03	Edu4rdSHL	There's archinstall already
2024-05-27 21:35:21	KillerWasp	Edu4rdSHL: what?...
2024-05-27 21:35:33	Edu4rdSHL	That we already have archinstall :p
2024-05-27 21:35:44	Edu4rdSHL	And, your question makes little to no sense
2024-05-27 21:35:54	gaku	can't remember when I installed arch, I just move my arch from one drive to the next
2024-05-27 21:36:00	mefistofeles	KillerWasp: why is detecting a DE/DM relevant for an installer? I'm not following
2024-05-27 21:36:02	Edu4rdSHL	"for make a properly automatic run app"
2024-05-27 21:36:07	Edu4rdSHL	mefistofeles, same
2024-05-27 21:36:44	KillerWasp	lol, very late, i made all the sacript for the installer! xD
2024-05-27 21:37:11	KillerWasp	mefistofeles: if for run automatically where a graphic desktop is run.
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2024-05-27 21:37:41	mefistofeles	KillerWasp: sounds like an xy problem
2024-05-27 21:37:49	mefistofeles	KillerWasp: what is it that you want to really achieve?
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2024-05-27 21:38:20	KillerWasp	mefistofeles: nope. it's for run automaticaLLY A APP THAT IN GRAPHICS DESKTOP[
2024-05-27 21:39:00	mefistofeles	ok, why not just run it? why does it matter what DE/WM/DM is it using?
2024-05-27 21:39:12	KillerWasp	instead of run manually from term or something
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2024-05-27 21:39:13	Edu4rdSHL	Just put the .desktop file in $HOME/.config/autostart
2024-05-27 21:40:31	KillerWasp	mefistofeles: well, i get a mess in my mind with what say Edu4rdSHL and other files like .xinitrc or .xsession, which can run depend of DE or DM
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2024-05-27 21:41:08	mefistofeles	KillerWasp: yes, so that's what an xy problem is 
2024-05-27 21:41:09	mefistofeles	:)
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2024-05-27 21:41:20	KillerWasp	i dont know if all what i need is .config/autostart
2024-05-27 21:41:33	mefistofeles	what Edu4rdSHL suggests should work for many 
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2024-05-27 21:42:30	KillerWasp	ok, thanks. :) Later i see if exist other errors.
2024-05-27 21:42:43	Edu4rdSHL	KillerWasp, if it's a decent DE/WM then that should work
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2024-05-27 21:43:46	mefistofeles	KillerWasp: if you want to launch it on demand, then it might depend on the DE, but you can just force a launcher for your app and always use that
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2024-05-27 21:43:47	Edu4rdSHL	https://specifications.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html
2024-05-27 21:43:48	phrik	Title: Desktop Application Autostart Specification (at specifications.freedesktop.org)
2024-05-27 21:44:05	mefistofeles	in my opinion it doesn't make much sense to try to autodetect what's being run or what's installed on the system to do this
2024-05-27 21:44:28	Edu4rdSHL	++
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2024-05-27 21:50:10	snoriman	hey! this is a bit offtopic, but I think someone here probably knows more about this then I do ... I've been working on a project for which I need to manage quite a bit of settings. I'm curious if someone knows about a system that allows you to manage settings between many different projects? Currently I'm using json to store these settings they include things like urls, ids, etc. 
2024-05-27 21:50:55	Edu4rdSHL	Settings of what
2024-05-27 21:51:12	snoriman	mostly settings for services like APIs, but also apps
2024-05-27 21:51:48	Edu4rdSHL	Why not just save the config files
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2024-05-27 21:52:34	snoriman	I do save them in config files, though I currently have ~6 services running locally and on a couple of remotes; both for development, stating and production. 
2024-05-27 21:52:57	brummbaer	do you mean dotfile management? - there are a lot of tools out there https://dotfiles.github.io/utilities/
2024-05-27 21:52:58	phrik	Title: General-purpose dotfiles utilities - dotfiles.github.io (at dotfiles.github.io)
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2024-05-27 21:53:21	snoriman	brummbaer:  thanks! that's not really it; however it is related. 
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2024-05-27 21:54:24	glitsj16	snoriman: what's going wrong with json that makes you look for alternatives?
2024-05-27 21:55:16	snoriman	glitsj16: it's not the format, it's the amount of configs and that I can't quickly switch between environments. 
2024-05-27 21:55:37	snoriman	I'm not storing the configs in version control for examply because they contains API keys/secrets
2024-05-27 21:55:52	snoriman	so currently when I e.g. deploy a service I create the config on the server
2024-05-27 21:56:04	snoriman	however, sometimes I need/want to use those configs during development
2024-05-27 21:56:08	snoriman	(on another pc)
2024-05-27 21:56:10	brummbaer	maybe ansible could help 
2024-05-27 21:56:20	glitsj16	snoriman: ok, that part wasn(t clear to me from the start
2024-05-27 21:56:26	snoriman	thanks, I'll read up on that
2024-05-27 21:56:44	brummbaer	and you get vaults as a way to password protect files with passwords in them 
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2024-05-27 21:57:15	brummbaer	even more hacky would be gnupg and some bash magic :p 
2024-05-27 21:57:15	snoriman	glitsj16: sorry, I can understand it's a bit vague; partly due to the lack of me not knowing what solutions are out there
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2024-05-27 21:57:37	snoriman	nice! this is great info brummbaer 
2024-05-27 21:57:50	glitsj16	snoriman: that's allright, no worries
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2024-05-27 22:10:42	Edu4rdSHL	NetSysFire, just install what was going to be upgraded
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2024-05-27 22:11:33	BrainDamage	journal should prevent that
2024-05-27 22:11:45	Edu4rdSHL	Uuuh, that's really bad... I was about to suggest a `paclog --after "$(date -Iminutes --date '5 hours ago')" | grep -oE "upgraded (\S+)" |cut -d ' ' -f 2 | paru -S --overwrite='*' -`
2024-05-27 22:11:49	Edu4rdSHL	Or something like that
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2024-05-27 22:11:57	Edu4rdSHL	But if paclog is fucked up... damn
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2024-05-27 22:12:08	Edu4rdSHL	Nope
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2024-05-27 22:13:55	BrainDamage	you can also use -Qkk to check the file integrity, but in my experience, reintalling literally every package is faster than -Qkk
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2024-05-27 22:14:57	Edu4rdSHL	If the pacman log is still good, then the command I issued should work just fine (if you adjust the '5 hours ago' to whatever you want), and I used paru on purpose so that it works for AUR packages too, but pacman is just fine for the normal case
2024-05-27 22:15:19	Edu4rdSHL	BrainDamage, thing is: -Qkk does list a lot of things even if they aren't broken or something
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2024-05-27 22:15:47	Edu4rdSHL	Let's say: you touch a config file, the package will be listed there, even if it was not going to be upgraded
2024-05-27 22:16:52	phrik	Title: Source Code | polyL | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-05-27 22:17:19	Edu4rdSHL	NetSysFire, it will still work
2024-05-27 22:17:50	mefistofeles	nvidia, fuck you
2024-05-27 22:17:56	Edu4rdSHL	No, but paclog should be able to read it
2024-05-27 22:18:14	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL just bought a 4090 this weekend. Nividia <3
2024-05-27 22:18:22	Edu4rdSHL	NetSysFire, just one line, no?
2024-05-27 22:18:28	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: mr. money bags
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2024-05-27 22:18:54	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: what are you planning to do with that gpu?
2024-05-27 22:19:26	Edu4rdSHL	NetSysFire, ah, I see. I thought it was from the same transaction
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2024-05-27 22:19:32	Edu4rdSHL	mefistofeles, nothing really lol
2024-05-27 22:19:39	Edu4rdSHL	Maybe play some games
2024-05-27 22:19:54	BrainDamage	NetSysFire: was that running out of disk space?
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2024-05-27 22:20:57	mefistofeles	you'd have to kill it at exactly the right time, seems very hard to reproduce, imo
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2024-05-27 22:21:07	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: that gpu would fit wonderfully with my new monitor :P 
2024-05-27 22:21:15	Ena0	Sup guys ;)
2024-05-27 22:21:18	Edu4rdSHL	NetSysFire, sure I will do. Would be good if ALPM creates a "one line" or something with "packages being upgraded:" and not one each line
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2024-05-27 22:21:48	phrik	Title: Talk:Pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-27 22:21:56	Edu4rdSHL	Which confuses me is: if the update failed on a nvidia hook (which is a post transaction step) why paclog got affected so early ¿?
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2024-05-27 22:22:16	demonicm1niac1	what BrainDamage said. pacman -S comm -23 -Qqe -Qqm
2024-05-27 22:22:24	gaku	Edu4rdSHL: probably due to unsynced data
2024-05-27 22:22:27	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, eeeh
2024-05-27 22:22:28	demonicm1niac1	that's much faster than any checks and single package updates
2024-05-27 22:22:56	Ena0	I was about to install the nvidia-open package and pacman stated that a dependency cycle is detected. (eglexternalplatform will be installed before its nvidia-utils dependency) can I safely continue with this installation or do I have to watch out for something?
2024-05-27 22:23:04	Edu4rdSHL	gaku, but that looks like a bad config then, maybe the user delaying the sync or something
2024-05-27 22:23:14	Edu4rdSHL	Ena0, ignore it
2024-05-27 22:23:20	Ena0	Thx
2024-05-27 22:23:45	Edu4rdSHL	demonicm1niac1, reinstalling everything is not something advisable and not the proper solution to the problem
2024-05-27 22:24:00	Edu4rdSHL	If I was going to update 5 packages I don't need to install the whole 2000 packages
2024-05-27 22:24:06	gaku	Edu4rdSHL: eh, I have a manual post hook to sync at the very end, but i could see a kernel panic somehow nuking all the "dirty" data that was still in cache waiting for write
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2024-05-27 22:25:05	gaku	reinstalling everything is the nuclear option, and in cases like this, the only option it seems
2024-05-27 22:25:29	demonicm1niac1	there's so many issues like even if the files installed/upgraded what about all the hooks and postinstall
2024-05-27 22:25:52	demonicm1niac1	it might have died during one hook which means X amount of hooks might not have run
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2024-05-27 22:35:01	teraflops	I've had a similar issue and reinstalling all packages did not fix the system. I had to restore a full backup
2024-05-27 22:35:11	Edu4rdSHL	Assuming that the pacman database is still working, something like `find /var/lib/pacman/local/ -maxdepth 1 -type d -newermt "$DATE"` and play with this, NetSysFire 
2024-05-27 22:35:23	Edu4rdSHL	Needs some parsing but still doable tho
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2024-05-27 22:36:08	Edu4rdSHL	Maybe compare that output to pacman -Qq to get the matches of the pkgnames and that's it
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2024-05-27 22:43:48	Edu4rdSHL	NetSysFire, https://paste.rs/r80XB.sh
2024-05-27 22:43:49	phrik	Title: Source Code | r80XB | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-05-27 22:43:53	Edu4rdSHL	This works
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2024-05-27 22:58:41	sunyibo	I have a laptop with two hard drives. One drive Windows is installed. I'd like to install arch on the second one. So I just mount the existing windows EFI drive and let arch do it's magic?
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2024-05-27 23:00:16	jerry_	anybody know what's wrong with this line that the $pkgver is not being recognized? -  source=('https://github.com/sudachi-emu/sudachi/releases/download/v${pkgver}/v${pkgver}-linux.7z'
2024-05-27 23:00:38	jerry_	)
2024-05-27 23:00:42	Ena0	okay so I installed nvidia-open I also enabled kernel DRM mode setting now I have rootless xorg and it also benefits my wayland session I guess. cat /sys/module/nvidia_drm/parameters/modeset returns a Y now. The only problem is that power mamagement doesn't seem to work even afte rapplying all those settings in the arch wiki. I thought power management was added to nvidia-open?
2024-05-27 23:00:57	j0hannes	I've experienced sudden reboots for the second time in a row now; and I can't find any clue in the logs
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2024-05-27 23:02:15	j0hannes	the only kernel error I see is "kernel: iwlwifi 0000:00:14.3: WRT: Invalid buffer destination
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2024-05-27 23:04:18	glitsj16	jerry_: quoting? have you tried dropping the single quotes from the source array yet? or using double quotes?
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2024-05-27 23:07:49	jerry_	glitsj16, you're right; just figured out that in order to use these arrays you need to use double quotes instead of single quotes.
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2024-05-27 23:08:20	jerry_	i'm still learning all of this stuff, since i'm not a programmer. trying to get adept at pkgbuilds
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2024-05-27 23:10:31	demonicm1niac1	jerry_: pkgbuilds are pretty much just bash so all the bash rules for quoting and escaping apply
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2024-05-27 23:18:03	Ena0	I just checked nvidia.com and they say power management should be working on nvidia-open... Amy ideas what might be happening?
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2024-05-27 23:20:01	gaku	mingdao: the whole makepkg is bash
2024-05-27 23:20:16	glitsj16	Ena0: i remember there being a few people here questioning that statement; none of them got power-management working if memory serves
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2024-05-27 23:20:56	Ena0	glitsj16: Ok thank you:)
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2024-05-27 23:22:11	gromit	mingdao: its bash, but you shouldnt really program with it
2024-05-27 23:22:38	BrainDamage	pkgbuilds are sourced by makepkg
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2024-05-27 23:22:52	BrainDamage	it's still bash, just not a standalone program
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2024-05-27 23:23:43	BrainDamage	you can also write a bash program without a shebang and source it manually with bash myfile
2024-05-27 23:23:46	glitsj16	Ena0: maybe there's a thread on the forum on that particular topic; as I no longer have nvidia hw I kinda dosed off
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2024-05-27 23:24:06	Ena0	glitsj16: Someone here yesterday experieced issues with nvidia and some other person send a thread to an nvidia forum where it's being discussed. Any ideas if removing nvidia before every update with Rns and reinstalling it afterwards  would prevent a kernel panic ?
2024-05-27 23:25:06	Ena0	glitsj16: That's why I'm on nvidia-open in the first place.
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2024-05-27 23:26:24	glitsj16	Ena0: that ties in with NetSysFire's earlier request; in the end i don't think that can prevent what happened to heythere121
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2024-05-27 23:26:57	Ena0	What request? Also can I read the old convo somewhere?
2024-05-27 23:26:57	glitsj16	Ena0: that crash never got a clear analysis
2024-05-27 23:27:11	Ena0	I had my weechat open yesterday or 2 days ago and I read it afterwards
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2024-05-27 23:27:50	Ena0	I forgot what everyone said I just skimmed over it...
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2024-05-27 23:27:58	Edu4rdSHL	NetSysFire, I put it all together here: https://github.com/Edu4rdSHL/archlinux-pkgrecover
2024-05-27 23:28:00	Edu4rdSHL	:p
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2024-05-27 23:28:47	teraflops	Ena0: what do you mean by power management?
2024-05-27 23:28:51	glitsj16	NetSysFire: sorry for the trigger, I think Ena0 is referring to heythere121's unrecoverable crash
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2024-05-27 23:29:47	Ena0	teraflops: 2.2.1.2 https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PRIME#PRIME_render_offload
2024-05-27 23:29:48	phrik	Title: PRIME - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-27 23:29:57	demonicm1niac1	Edu4rdSHL: should note that it's imperative to set a time/date before the whole upgrade started - again because of hooks
2024-05-27 23:30:30	Ena0	switching the laptop GPU off when not in use. It worked for me no problem but now I'm scared and switched to nvidia-open and it's not working.
2024-05-27 23:30:45	Edu4rdSHL	demonicm1niac1, I mean, yu can safely tell it to use a date for 1 day ago or so and it should work
2024-05-27 23:30:54	Edu4rdSHL	No need for a very specific date
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2024-05-27 23:31:26	demonicm1niac1	Edu4rdSHL: yeah just clarifying since it's not mentioned in the script that you can't use the last timestamp just before it crashed/interrupted
2024-05-27 23:31:49	Edu4rdSHL	Yeah, I should add some aclarations in the README
2024-05-27 23:31:55	Edu4rdSHL	Thanks :)
2024-05-27 23:31:59	demonicm1niac1	:)
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2024-05-27 23:32:31	Ena0	teraflops: https://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/550.54.14/README/kernel_open.html here it says that it should be working.
2024-05-27 23:32:31	teraflops	Ena0: what, fully power off the nvidia gpu when not in use?
2024-05-27 23:32:31	phrik	Title: Chapter 44. Open Linux Kernel Modules (at us.download.nvidia.com)
2024-05-27 23:32:48	Ena0	teraflops: Idk if fully but it powered off
2024-05-27 23:33:06	Ena0	teraflops: It could be checked with: cat /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:00.0/power/runtime_status
2024-05-27 23:33:09	teraflops	how are you checking that?
2024-05-27 23:33:11	Ena0	according to the arch wiki
2024-05-27 23:33:19	Ena0	now it constantly on 'active'
2024-05-27 23:33:30	Edu4rdSHL	If using paclog I can even go a bit further and automatically try to detect the last upgrade attempt but checking pacman.log events but... that's overcomplicating it
2024-05-27 23:33:31	Ena0	and nvidia-smi
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2024-05-27 23:33:44	Ena0	teraflops: and this cat /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:00.0/power/runtime_suspended_time
2024-05-27 23:33:45	teraflops	here it says suspended
2024-05-27 23:33:50	Ena0	jsut what the arch wiki says....
2024-05-27 23:34:08	Ena0	But mine is active all the time and with nvidia it was suspended.
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2024-05-27 23:34:47	teraflops	which model? maybe your model is not supported by nvidia open
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2024-05-27 23:35:26	Ena0	teraflops: Turing 
2024-05-27 23:35:40	Ena0	according to nvidia it is if I understand it correctly.
2024-05-27 23:35:52	teraflops	then I have no idea why honestly
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2024-05-27 23:36:27	Ena0	okay is there a way to use 'nvidia' without this kernel panic? What was said yesterday?
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2024-05-27 23:36:35	Ena0	or 2 days ago idk anymroe
2024-05-27 23:36:53	teraflops	Ena0: is nvtop showing anything attached to nvidia gpu?
2024-05-27 23:37:25	Ena0	teraflops: I don't have nvtop
2024-05-27 23:37:41	teraflops	you can install it, it is free ;)
2024-05-27 23:37:47	Ena0	but nvidia-smi says yes and also al this cat /sys things as mentioned in the arch wiki indicate so.
2024-05-27 23:37:49	mefistofeles	it's bloated!
2024-05-27 23:37:50	mefistofeles	xD
2024-05-27 23:37:52	teraflops	lol
2024-05-27 23:38:10	Ena0	and I don't want any bloat on my system ;)
2024-05-27 23:38:14	mefistofeles	lol
2024-05-27 23:38:20	mefistofeles	nvtop is a good tool
2024-05-27 23:38:23	mefistofeles	but nvidia-smi works as well
2024-05-27 23:38:47	Ena0	So what was the solution?
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2024-05-27 23:39:39	Ena0	And why wouldn't a -Rns before a -Syu prevent that?
2024-05-27 23:39:47	Ena0	-Rns nvidia *
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2024-05-27 23:43:07	teraflops	Ena0: you can use AUR/nvidia-535xx 
2024-05-27 23:43:19	teraflops	that version is not hit by the bug
2024-05-27 23:43:41	Ena0	teraflops: Are you 100% certain about this?
2024-05-27 23:43:48	teraflops	101%
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2024-05-27 23:44:02	teraflops	been using it for a long time
2024-05-27 23:44:03	Ena0	teraflops: All right.
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2024-05-27 23:44:20	Ena0	How do I know when the bug gets fixed?
2024-05-27 23:44:28	teraflops	Ena0: also mentiones in the nvidia threads
2024-05-27 23:44:37	teraflops	Ena0: idk
2024-05-27 23:44:38	Ena0	Can you link me those?
2024-05-27 23:44:51	teraflops	https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/series-550-freezes-laptop/284772/95
2024-05-27 23:44:53	phrik	Title: Series 550 freezes laptop - #95 by demensdeum - Linux - NVIDIA Developer Forums (at forums.developer.nvidia.com)
2024-05-27 23:45:36	Ena0	teraflops: Thread mentions kernel version. Do I need to downgrade that as well?
2024-05-27 23:45:45	teraflops	nope
2024-05-27 23:45:56	Ena0	Okay I hope my laptop won't die :)
2024-05-27 23:46:04	mefistofeles	RIP
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2024-05-27 23:47:24	Ena0	teraflops: nvidia-535xx-dkms 535.179-1 this?
2024-05-27 23:47:27	teraflops	Ena0: I have used AUR/nvidia-535xx with nvidia mainline (6.9)
2024-05-27 23:47:46	Ena0	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nvidia-535xx-dkms
2024-05-27 23:47:47	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - nvidia-535xx-utils (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-05-27 23:47:48	Ena0	?
2024-05-27 23:47:58	teraflops	Ena0: yeah use dkms
2024-05-27 23:48:01	Ena0	what is nvidia mainline?
2024-05-27 23:48:08	teraflops	linux mainline
2024-05-27 23:48:15	teraflops	kernel
2024-05-27 23:48:40	Ena0	Ok yes I have just 'linux' installed.
2024-05-27 23:49:05	teraflops	Ena0: so you want all the stuff, nvidia-535xx-dkms nvidia-535xx-utils opencl-nvidia-535xx
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2024-05-27 23:51:45	Ena0	teraflops: I'll get also settings
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2024-05-27 23:52:38	teraflops	yeah and also the lib32 ones if you play games
2024-05-27 23:52:46	teraflops	steam
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2024-05-27 23:53:36	Ena0	teraflops: Why do I need  those? Thought they're only for 32 bit games>
2024-05-27 23:53:44	Ena0	On linux I only play xonotic.
2024-05-27 23:53:50	Ena0	For now :)
2024-05-27 23:53:53	teraflops	then do not install them
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2024-05-27 23:54:16	teraflops	do you have multilib repo enabled?
2024-05-27 23:54:27	Ena0	teraflops: No why?
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2024-05-27 23:55:11	teraflops	because is yes you sould check that you do not have lib32 nvidia stuff leftovers and install the 535xx ones
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2024-05-27 23:55:16	teraflops	is/if
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2024-05-27 23:55:46	Ena0	teraflops: No I do not have the multilib repo enabled
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2024-05-27 23:55:51	teraflops	ok
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2024-05-27 23:57:13	teraflops	also nvtop is not bloat :D
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2024-05-27 23:58:56	ana_briated	bloat underrated
2024-05-27 23:58:58	Ena0	git teraflops dkms utils and opencl are all included in 1 package I see
2024-05-27 23:59:08	Ena0	teraflops: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nvidia-535xx-utils
2024-05-27 23:59:09	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - nvidia-535xx-utils (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-05-27 23:59:18	Ena0	just 1 package for all of them.
2024-05-27 23:59:30	teraflops	Ena0: no, it download the nvidia driver for linux from nvidia and extract the stuff
2024-05-27 23:59:39	teraflops	just install all the packages
2024-05-27 23:59:46	teraflops	pkgbuilds
2024-05-27 23:59:56	Ena0	teraflops: I can't becasue git says a directory with that name exists already
2024-05-28 00:00:07	Ena0	and if you check those out on the AUR it's the exact same clone url
2024-05-28 00:00:11	leonic	hi, I'm trying to mount an ntfs disk with case folding enabled. addding "nocase" to the mountoptions doesn't work.
2024-05-28 00:00:22	teraflops	lol I thought I'd never said this, go use an aur helper
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2024-05-28 00:01:00	leonic	but when I add "nonocase" to the mount options, then it works and it becomes case insenstive.
2024-05-28 00:01:10	leonic	is this a bug or am I misunderstanding something?
2024-05-28 00:01:13	Ena0	teraflops: I don't want any bloat ;)
2024-05-28 00:01:19	teraflops	Ena0: then good luck
2024-05-28 00:01:25	Ena0	Haha but it's the same package right?
2024-05-28 00:01:35	Ena0	I mean all those 3 since it's the same git clone URL?
2024-05-28 00:02:13	Namarrgon	Look at the $pkgname in the PKGBUILD
2024-05-28 00:02:42	Ena0	Yeah it seems so since it installed all of thosel
2024-05-28 00:03:02	teraflops	it downloads the nvidia.run thing
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2024-05-28 00:03:03	Ena0	I don't use the AUR much so I don't need an AUR helper
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2024-05-28 00:03:05	Namarrgon	leonic: Which ntfs driver are you using?
2024-05-28 00:03:10	leonic	Namarrgon: ntfs3
2024-05-28 00:03:23	leonic	the option can be found here: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/v6.9/fs/ntfs3/ntfs_fs.h#L110
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2024-05-28 00:06:41	docdrow	leonic: that sounds fishy, look in /proc/mounts to see if 'nocase' or 'nonocase' is listed as an enabled option?
2024-05-28 00:06:51	leonic	it seems like a bug, because adding "nohidden" works as expected. i.e. `mount -t ntfs3 -o nohidden /dev/sda1 /mnt` returns `nohidden` in the mount options.
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2024-05-28 00:07:21	leonic	but for `nocase` to get added to the mount options, I need to run `mount -t ntfs3 -o nonocase /dev/sda1 /mnt`
2024-05-28 00:07:59	leonic	docdrow: that's what I did
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2024-05-28 00:10:07	leonic	https://i.imgur.com/fPAYNAp.png
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2024-05-28 00:12:21	leonic	also, when I mount with `-o nocase` I can create a folder `x` and `X` in the same directory with no issue.
2024-05-28 00:12:51	leonic	but when I mount with `-o nonocase` I can't create `X` if `x` already exists
2024-05-28 00:13:14	leonic	so `-o nonocase` works as expected, but `-o nocase` does nothing.
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2024-05-28 00:16:29	Ena0	Terbium: somehow the nouveau driver is still in use.
2024-05-28 00:16:43	Ena0	Whhops sry for the ping 
2024-05-28 00:16:54	Namarrgon	Are you using the kms hook?
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2024-05-28 00:17:11	Ena0	Namarrgon: No I removed it as stated in the wiki
2024-05-28 00:17:26	Namarrgon	Did you or pacman rebuild the initramfs after that?
2024-05-28 00:17:34	Ena0	I installed 535xx from the AUR
2024-05-28 00:17:51	Namarrgon	lsinitcpio /boot/initramfs-linux.img |grep nouveau
2024-05-28 00:17:54	Ena0	Namarrgon: I have a hook set up that does this automatically as the wiki mentioned.
2024-05-28 00:18:13	Namarrgon	"dkms status"
2024-05-28 00:18:19	Ena0	Namarrgon: grep returns nothing
2024-05-28 00:18:44	Ena0	Namarrgon: command not found dkms
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2024-05-28 00:19:10	Namarrgon	Did you install the dkms version of the kernel module package?
2024-05-28 00:19:11	Ena0	ah I miss the dkms package
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2024-05-28 00:19:20	Ena0	Namarrgon: Yes
2024-05-28 00:19:35	Namarrgon	Does it not depend on 'dkms'?
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2024-05-28 00:19:40	Ena0	Namarrgon: Got this: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nvidia-535xx-dkms
2024-05-28 00:19:42	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - nvidia-535xx-utils (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-05-28 00:19:47	teraflops	Ena0: do you have kernel headers installed?
2024-05-28 00:20:01	Edu4rdSHL	It does depends on dkms
2024-05-28 00:20:12	Edu4rdSHL	How is it not installed
2024-05-28 00:20:15	Ena0	teraflops: What do I need?
2024-05-28 00:20:21	teraflops	ah I see in Sii
2024-05-28 00:20:23	Ena0	It wasn't installed with the package
2024-05-28 00:20:38	Namarrgon	pacman -Q nvidia-535xx-dkms dkms
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2024-05-28 00:21:31	Ena0	Namarrgon: I have botrh
2024-05-28 00:21:34	Ena0	both*
2024-05-28 00:21:44	Namarrgon	pacman -Qkk dkms
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2024-05-28 00:22:03	Ena0	Namarrgon: dkms: 25 total files, 0 altered files
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2024-05-28 00:22:47	Namarrgon	Can you run /usr/bin/dkms ?
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2024-05-28 00:23:03	Ena0	Namarrgon: Yes
2024-05-28 00:23:14	Ena0	I just type : dkms in zsh
2024-05-28 00:23:16	Namarrgon	But 'dkms' isn't recognized by your shell?
2024-05-28 00:23:24	Ena0	It is 
2024-05-28 00:23:32	Ena0	ah it is
2024-05-28 00:23:38	Ena0	idk what happend before
2024-05-28 00:23:43	Ena0	But still nouveau in use
2024-05-28 00:23:49	Ena0	as lscpi -K says
2024-05-28 00:23:52	Namarrgon	So what does 'dkms status' return?
2024-05-28 00:24:05	Ena0	Namarrgon: Nothing
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2024-05-28 00:24:22	Namarrgon	Did you install the headers for the kernel you use?
2024-05-28 00:24:35	Ena0	Namarrgon: No. I'm using 'linux'
2024-05-28 00:24:51	Namarrgon	You need the headers to be able to build kernel modules.
2024-05-28 00:25:19	Namarrgon	Read the dkms page on the wiki, you're going to be friends for a while.
2024-05-28 00:25:29	Ena0	okay so just linux-dkms
2024-05-28 00:25:32	Ena0	?
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2024-05-28 00:27:05	Namarrgon	Not quite.
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2024-05-28 00:28:19	Ena0	I just installed it. Should I run this dkms install thing or is it automatically done?
2024-05-28 00:28:38	dosmaen	just distro hopped from debian back to arch, always end up back here
2024-05-28 00:28:39	Ena0	It actually did auto install during pacman -s
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2024-05-28 00:28:48	Ena0	I'll reboot and see :)
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2024-05-28 00:30:29	Ena0	Namarrgon: It's working :)
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2024-05-28 00:30:43	Ena0	Thx for walking me through it 
2024-05-28 00:30:58	Ena0	Namarrgon: And the power management is working as well
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2024-05-28 00:31:11	Ena0	nvidia-open clearly doesn't seem to support it for turing.
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2024-05-28 00:33:23	teraflops	Ena0: no thanks for me? :(
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2024-05-28 00:34:09	Ena0	teraflops: Yeah biggest thanks to you! I tried to ping you but it didn't auto complete so I thought you've left! I'm so sorry :0
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2024-05-28 00:34:29	Ena0	teraflops: Most thanks go to you haha
2024-05-28 00:34:30	teraflops	nah I was kidding
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2024-05-28 00:34:51	Ena0	I just realized I mistyped your name. I put 2 'r' and that's why it didn't auto complete.
2024-05-28 00:35:02	Ena0	teraflops: No you were right;)
2024-05-28 00:35:18	Ena0	Finally it's working
2024-05-28 00:36:00	teraflops	Ena0: my fault, I supposed you would know that for dkms you need headers
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2024-05-28 00:38:28	Ena0	teraflops: Haha nooo youre fine I just started out with Arch. I was on manjaro a couple months ago and also on windows so I'm kinda new 
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2024-05-28 18:13:11	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-05-28 18:13:11	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1482 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1481 regular)
2024-05-28 13:28:05	printfdebugging	Hi, is there any way to backup arch linux config, just by signing in to some account? Like for vscode, I just login with my github account, and all my settings are restored. Something like that for archlinux? where I signin once and then all the package information, keybindings, color/theme settings are saved?
2024-05-28 13:28:17	printfdebugging	I know of stow and .dotfiles, but I want something more automatic
2024-05-28 13:29:34	Namarrgon	No, there's nothing like that.
2024-05-28 13:30:29	avu	a complete and automated system backup is kinda sorta like that for some values of 'that'
2024-05-28 13:30:57	Namarrgon	But you have to set it up first, it's not automatic.
2024-05-28 13:38:20	printfdebugging	Namarrgon: I would call that automatic. It's one signin, and it starts backing up your preferences then on. 
2024-05-28 13:38:32	printfdebugging	Any changes are saved.
2024-05-28 13:42:17	BrainDamage	you can create automatic system snapshots with some software
2024-05-28 13:42:48	BrainDamage	generally, the more generic and automatic the tool, the more wasteful it'll be in space
2024-05-28 13:43:19	Foxboron	Providing a paid service like that would be a cool thing though
2024-05-28 13:44:33	astralc	something like borgbase?
2024-05-28 13:44:41	astralc	dotfilehub
2024-05-28 13:45:22	Foxboron	I think you need to stop thinking of this as terms of "backups" and more as "how do you save system state"?
2024-05-28 13:45:25	Foxboron	They are two different problems
2024-05-28 14:04:49	ianliu	!paste
2024-05-28 14:04:50	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-05-28 14:22:32	ianliu	Has anyone managed to use 8bitdo ultimate gamepad via bluetooth or 2.4G dongle in arch linux? My controller works with USB cable, but I couldn't make it work wirelessly. Here are some dmesg logs: https://paste.rs/pYVzE
2024-05-28 14:27:37	Namarrgon	Which kernel is that?
2024-05-28 14:27:59	Namarrgon	Do you have any userland drivers installed?
2024-05-28 14:28:09	Namarrgon	xpad, xpad-neo, etc?
2024-05-28 14:28:59	jelle	the xpad driver is not great 
2024-05-28 14:29:26	jelle	[  +0,016774] nintendo 0005:057E:2009.0009: using factory cal for left stick hmmm that looks curious
2024-05-28 14:31:10	demonicm1niac1	you can switch the controller between xinput and switch mode
2024-05-28 14:31:39	demonicm1niac1	you need to put it into xinput mode for linux to work - and bt is only switch mode as far as i know so only 2.4ghz works for xinput
2024-05-28 14:35:12	ianliu	Namarrgon: I'm using the "linux" package
2024-05-28 14:35:30	ianliu	Namarrgon: I've tried "modprobe xpad", but saw no difference
2024-05-28 14:36:39	ianliu	demonicm1niac1: in my controller there is a switch between 2.4G and BT on the back of the controller. I don't see any "switch mode" vs "xinput" option on the controller
2024-05-28 14:37:10	demonicm1niac1	hm yeah just checked the manual and it seems xinput mode is only auto via usb
2024-05-28 14:37:29	demonicm1niac1	the dongle also seems to only support win10 and their app
2024-05-28 14:37:57	demonicm1niac1	so it seems switch is bt, windows 10+ is usb dongle for 2.4g or usb wire, linux/steamos is only wire
2024-05-28 14:38:09	ianliu	:(
2024-05-28 14:42:01	ianliu	I guess I should have searched before buying :P
2024-05-28 14:43:00	demonicm1niac1	technically nintendo-hid is in the kernel which should support bluetooth for nintendo switch controllers
2024-05-28 14:45:25	demonicm1niac1	and the dongle pastebin message suggests it does try all the modes and ends up going into fallback mode which SHOULD work
2024-05-28 14:46:30	demonicm1niac1	ianliu: just to make sure - pacman -Qi linux and uname -r
2024-05-28 14:46:58	ianliu	uname -r : 6.9.1-arch1-2
2024-05-28 14:47:30	ianliu	pacman -Qi linux : Version -> 6.9.1.arch1-2   Name -> linux
2024-05-28 14:48:00	demonicm1niac1	right just checking that it's not unable to load modules due to not rebooting after updating kernel
2024-05-28 14:51:11	ianliu	when testing with the dongle, the controller keeps blinking like it wants to connect, but never does.
2024-05-28 14:51:33	demonicm1niac1	it does reset and switch modes according to your pastebin
2024-05-28 14:52:59	ianliu	is this driver related? Or could some userspace program "fix" this? For instance, in the bluetooth connection, it seems to register a HID device. Could a userspace program read inputs from it?
2024-05-28 14:53:17	jelle	if the game uses hidraw sure
2024-05-28 14:53:22	ianliu	maybe I could try to hack something
2024-05-28 14:57:23	demonicm1niac1	sdl technically has support for hidraw
2024-05-28 14:57:44	demonicm1niac1	but you need a rule/chmod hidraw to let users get access to it, hidraw by default is root only
2024-05-28 14:57:58	ianliu	I see
2024-05-28 14:58:05	jelle	demonicm1niac1: afaik steam uses it by default for PS/Xbox controllers
2024-05-28 14:58:18	demonicm1niac1	jelle: i mean steam is sdl :)
2024-05-28 14:59:15	demonicm1niac1	there's also SDL_JOYSTICK_HIDAPI_PS3=1 env var e.g. to make a ps3 controller work properly via hidraw with all the pressure sensitive buttons as axes instead of digital buttons
2024-05-28 14:59:36	demonicm1niac1	something you can actually use with pcsx2 to get pressure sensitive face buttons working
2024-05-28 15:00:59	demonicm1niac1	ianliu: might aalso just need some usb quirks to make it not do weird mode switching to some android fallback or w/e - there's some examples on the gamepad wiki but not for your specific case. could ask 8bitdo directly i guess
2024-05-28 15:06:06	Amm0n	Hi, i get i2c i2c-9: Invalid 7-bit I2C address 0xffff popping up during boot. I'm not sure if i can just ignore it.
2024-05-28 15:07:08	ianliu	demonicm1niac1: will do
2024-05-28 15:07:14	ianliu	thanks everyone for the support!
2024-05-28 15:07:18	ianliu	gota work now :P
2024-05-28 15:18:15	popsch	somehow gpg is failing for me. I already deleted the update database, but also decrypting my personally encrypted files is failing. Has anything changed in the last week?
2024-05-28 15:18:32	popsch	(meaning: I deleted the signature of the core and extras database)
2024-05-28 15:18:41	gromit	popsch: what exact error are you getting? 
2024-05-28 15:20:03	popsch	error: GPGME error: No data
2024-05-28 15:20:18	popsch	And my encrypted files fail, because apparently the password is incorrect.
2024-05-28 15:20:35	popsch	(which it is not, because I haven't changed the password for my encrypted private key)
2024-05-28 15:22:08	gromit	popsch: something like this maybe? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=268087
2024-05-28 15:22:09	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Error updating system (error: GPGME error: No data) / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-05-28 15:22:43	popsch	Yes, but what is concerning is that it also applies to my personally encrypted files.
2024-05-28 15:23:16	popsch	need to investigate this later. 
2024-05-28 15:25:13	gromit	popsch: this seems unrelated, but yeah maybe investigate it a bit more
2024-05-28 15:38:34	Ennea	i just realized the package search on the website does not find groups. it can display them just fine (https://archlinux.org/groups/x86_64/kde-utilities/ for example), but the search does not find them. is there a way to search through groups on the website?
2024-05-28 15:38:35	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - kde-utilities (x86_64) - Group Details (at archlinux.org)
2024-05-28 15:53:39	zayd	there's a ton of warnings on the wiki section for sbctl, anything i should be aware of before i attempt to enroll keys on my laptop?
2024-05-28 15:54:12	zayd	i did it successfully on a hp pavilion, i just don't want to risk potentially bricking my msi laptop
2024-05-28 16:24:27	post-factum	is it expected that initramfs is not being rebuilt automatically after systemd upgrade?
2024-05-28 16:24:50	post-factum	i think this is some recent change, previously the rebuild was triggered
2024-05-28 16:25:50	ronillon	Hello, please how do I set permissions on a folder to allow everyone absolutely everything? I need to transfer iles from virtual amchine into host and it says I do not have permissions
2024-05-28 16:32:43	gromit	post-factum: I think this could be related the hooks being imported to the mkinitcpio package
2024-05-28 16:34:05	post-factum	gromit: someone asked about this already https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=295716 but I don't understand if it is good or bad
2024-05-28 16:34:06	phrik	Title: systemd 255.6-1 does not trigger mkinitcpio hook / Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-05-28 16:34:16	post-factum	(I use ukify too fwiw)
2024-05-28 16:34:47	gromit	post-factum: I think when investigating https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/mkinitcpio/mkinitcpio/-/issues/270 this was also noticed
2024-05-28 16:34:49	phrik	Title: Running mkinitcpio with systemd 256(rc2) installed leads to an unbootable system (#270) · Issues · Arch Linux / Mkinitcpio / mkinitcpio · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-28 16:37:49	post-factum	gromit: still no idea if i should open a bugreport :)
2024-05-28 16:38:14	gromit	post-factum: I've asked the maintainers in #archlinux-projects, lets see :) 
2024-05-28 16:38:51	post-factum	ok
2024-05-28 17:51:04	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL still waiting for mesa 24.1.0 with explicit sync to drop to stable :(
2024-05-28 17:55:18	elrohir	alad, why did you ban akik did he type something?
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2024-05-28 18:55:29	pulsar12	!paste
2024-05-28 18:55:30	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-05-28 19:12:34	pulsar12	im trying to make archlinux ISO with a custom kernel. mkarchiso created the vmlinuz and initrd image on the /boot folder. I have modified the grub.cfg to match the kernel filename. but when launcing in the GRUB, got this error "ERROR: Device '2024-05-28-16-40-04-00' not found". If I modify the GRUB entry to point to the normal linux image and initrd it boots fine. Any other combination (normal
2024-05-28 19:12:34	pulsar12	kernel + custom initrd / or custom kernel + normal
2024-05-28 19:12:34	pulsar12	 initrd) gives the same error. https://bpa.st/QOPQ
2024-05-28 19:12:36	phrik	Title: View paste QOPQ (at bpa.st)
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2024-05-28 19:17:35	pulsar12	could be a missing module on the kernel? i built it with using localmodconfig
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2024-05-28 19:24:11	hashworks	Got some OVH servers here that insist on starting a refined over a network PXE. That refined then scans my efi partition and starts the arch-linux.efi UKI, but overrides the cmdline :/ Is there a way to disable any cmdline changes?
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2024-05-28 19:28:30	hashworks	Tried adding systemd-boot.efi, so that it can start the arch efi afterwards - but I'm not sure about the order refined uses files :( Not a clean solution either https://fb.hash.works/AKSVac/ https://fb.hash.works/O1lpKHqu/
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2024-05-28 21:46:17	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-28 21:35:01	wyre	system clock is up to date
2024-05-28 21:35:05	wyre	so that's not the problem either
2024-05-28 21:35:24	wyre	ntp is active
2024-05-28 21:36:03	mefistofeles	wyre: are you running arch linux?
2024-05-28 21:36:07	mefistofeles	jsut double checking
2024-05-28 21:36:09	mefistofeles	just*
2024-05-28 21:36:18	wyre	sure
2024-05-28 21:36:23	wyre	pure arch linux
2024-05-28 21:36:31	mefistofeles	I don't know what could be the issue then
2024-05-28 21:36:32	wyre	let's try what troubleshooting section says 🤔
2024-05-28 21:36:55	mefistofeles	I guess you can try resetting the keys
2024-05-28 21:40:37	wyre	that seems to work :-) 
2024-05-28 21:41:04	wyre	not sure why this happened suddenly ... but thank you very much mefistofeles 😋
2024-05-28 21:43:35	glitsj16	wyre: your paste shows 'community is up to date'; if I'm not hallucinating that got dropped no?
2024-05-28 21:43:57	wyre	glitsj16, community repo, you mean? 
2024-05-28 21:44:05	glitsj16	wyre: yes
2024-05-28 21:44:22	wyre	I didn't know about that 😢
2024-05-28 21:44:50	mefistofeles	right
2024-05-28 21:44:51	wyre	should I remove them from pacman? why it doesn't fail when I do pacman -Sy? 
2024-05-28 21:44:53	glitsj16	I'm not saying that has anything to do with your jeyring issues, just something I noticed
2024-05-28 21:44:57	mefistofeles	wyre: arch doesn't like to be neglected :P 
2024-05-28 21:45:20	glitsj16	s/jeyring/keyring/
2024-05-28 21:46:18	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-05-28 21:51:02	glitsj16	wyre: maybe you missed a .pacnew or something; not that I can explain why pacman didn't alert you on it...
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2024-05-28 21:53:37	BrainDamage	somehow the mirror they are using didn't delete the community repo
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2024-05-28 21:54:07	BrainDamage	which might explain why it was still being pulled and override the up to date package in the other ones
2024-05-28 21:55:04	glitsj16	that must have been quite a stale mirror; but that makes sense BrainDamage
2024-05-28 21:55:15	glitsj16	too bad they've left
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2024-05-28 22:21:06	Ena0	I have nvidia power saving enabled on my laptop. I noticed that whenever I'm on X11 and I connect my external display the power mode swithced to nvidia. Whenever I'm on wayland this doens't happen and therefor on wayland when I close my laptop lid the external screen feels lagggy. Is there a way to make wayland use nvidia graphics card whenever an external display is connected through HDMI?
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2024-05-28 22:22:36	jelle	BrainDamage: we never deleted the community repo
2024-05-28 22:22:39	jelle	we just emptied it out
2024-05-28 22:23:14	BrainDamage	ok, that explains why it didn't error then
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2024-05-28 22:25:52	jelle	the reason is, not getting 1 million support questions :)
2024-05-28 22:26:56	Ena0	Does this maybe have something to do with 'reverse prime'?
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2024-05-28 22:50:00	@alad	elrohir: it's part of an ongoing cartel conflict
2024-05-28 22:50:09	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [-o alad] by alad
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2024-05-28 22:51:39	mefistofeles	alad: what? did I miss something?
2024-05-28 22:51:43	LanDi	hey guys, can someone help me with this: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=292516
2024-05-28 22:51:44	phrik	Title: Bluetooth Gamepad connected(?) but not recognized by any application. / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-28 22:53:47	alad	mefistofeles: nothing to see here (and when there is, I'll post the video on darkweb)
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2024-05-28 23:02:02	Edu4rdSHL	LanDi, "I'm using Linux Zen(6.7.3-zen1-1-zen)", latest is 6.9.2
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2024-05-28 23:05:04	astralc	Edu4rdSHL, notice the date
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2024-05-28 23:05:40	Edu4rdSHL	Yeah, so it isn't the issue then
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2024-05-28 23:08:51	LanDi	Edu4rdSHL, it's an old post...I'm still with the same issue
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2024-05-28 23:09:49	lmat	I'm trying to install https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/waydroid. It requires https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/python-gbinder which in turn requires https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/libgbinder. To install AUR packages, I download the tar, unzip the PKGBUILD and run makepkg. Easy enough, but it's a bit of a hastle when there are multiple dependencies. How do people normally do this?
2024-05-28 23:09:55	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - python-gbinder (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-05-28 23:10:24	skaphle	Hi, I get an error "error: could not read db 'extra' (gzip decompression failed)" when I try any pacman command. The message is not helpful. I have no idea where to even start debugging this
2024-05-28 23:11:19	lmat	skaphle: Like this? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=291626
2024-05-28 23:11:21	phrik	Title: [Solved] Error when updating / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-05-28 23:11:49	lmat	skaphle: In short, does pacman -Syyu; work?
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2024-05-28 23:13:45	skaphle	yes like this, but there is no solution in that thread
2024-05-28 23:14:19	gaku	skaphle: `pacman -Syyu` read the thread, anyhow, yer databases are damaged mostlikely
2024-05-28 23:14:31	gaku	buuut, since when are they on gzip? afaik, arch moved to zstd
2024-05-28 23:15:03	skaphle	no, -Syyu doesn't work. I get "Synchronizing" core, extra, multilib, then "Starting full system upgrade..." and then infinite repetitions of the error message
2024-05-28 23:15:15	gaku	well I'll be dammed, they are still in gzip
2024-05-28 23:15:32	skaphle	how do I fix damaged databases?
2024-05-28 23:15:34	lmat	skaphle: Maybe delete the database files? (/var/lib/pacmkan/sync/...)
2024-05-28 23:15:52	lmat	gaku: I remember them changing that a year or so ago :shrug:
2024-05-28 23:15:55	gaku	skaphle: if it downloaded the new ones, can it still fails, what happens if you try catting extra to /dev/null?
2024-05-28 23:16:23	gaku	something like this `cat /var/lib/pacman/sync/extra.db >/dev/null`
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2024-05-28 23:16:44	gaku	I would also suggest checking your mirrors, in case the first one you have is derped or something
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2024-05-28 23:17:37	skaphle	I tried deleting the db, removed the whole /var/lib/pacman/sync away, it seems to just get new copies with the same problem 
2024-05-28 23:17:53	gaku	skaphle: >I would also suggest checking your mirrors, in case the first one you have is derped or something
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2024-05-28 23:19:41	skaphle	gaku: thanks, I commented the first mirror and now it seems to work
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2024-05-28 23:19:47	lmat	sweet!
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2024-05-28 23:20:08	skaphle	thanks for the quick help
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2024-05-28 23:20:13	gaku	no problem
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2024-05-29 16:33:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-29 16:30:28	Web_Anon	Sorry
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2024-05-29 19:07:37	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-29 19:08:43	teraflops	solsTiCe: I cannot replicate here, I just created a partition table in an external usb, then created a partition and no issues
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2024-05-29 19:36:39	susi	solsTiCe: try it with a new user 
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2024-05-29 19:42:12	teraflops	I have a dotnet aur package installed and its UI is too tiny I have no idea on how to make its UI bigger
2024-05-29 19:42:31	teraflops	tried GDK_SCALE/GDK_DPI_SCALE
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2024-05-29 19:43:42	demonicm1niac1	teraflops: does it use gtk-sharp?
2024-05-29 19:44:01	teraflops	let me check
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2024-05-29 19:45:11	teraflops	idk
2024-05-29 19:45:40	teraflops	depends=('dotnet-runtime' 'libxcrypt-compat') and makedepends=('dotnet-sdk')
2024-05-29 19:46:16	demonicm1niac1	yeah that's just the "new" dot net core that has no gui parts
2024-05-29 19:46:42	demonicm1niac1	might be using some direct gl or w/e
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2024-05-29 19:47:21	susi	were you the one using Adwaita-dark (a 3rd party thingie, different from Adwaita:dark)
2024-05-29 19:47:40	teraflops	susi: nope ;)
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2024-05-29 19:48:40	Edu4rdSHL	Aswaita-dark is not any 3rd part thingie lol
2024-05-29 19:48:44	Edu4rdSHL	Adwaita *
2024-05-29 19:48:51	Edu4rdSHL	It's literally from Gnome
2024-05-29 19:49:40	teraflops	https://paste.priet.us/paste this is what I get from command line when trying to pass it options
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2024-05-29 19:50:11	teraflops	uhg that paste
2024-05-29 19:50:42	teraflops	this one https://paste.priet.us/z1ee/
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2024-05-29 19:54:30	teraflops	I'm going to check in gnome
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2024-05-29 19:56:09	teraflops	same, I'm going to add a comment in the PKGBUILD page
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2024-05-29 19:59:00	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, which one is?
2024-05-29 19:59:06	Edu4rdSHL	To see if I can reproduce it
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2024-05-29 19:59:21	teraflops	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/stabilitymatrix
2024-05-29 19:59:22	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - stabilitymatrix (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-05-29 19:59:34	teraflops	thanks btw
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2024-05-29 20:00:13	teraflops	2880x1800@120.00000 in 14 monitor
2024-05-29 20:00:19	teraflops	laptop
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2024-05-29 20:01:19	teraflops	I did not test in 32 uhd monitor but I suspect it will be even worse
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2024-05-29 20:02:40	demonicm1niac1	teraflops: seems to use avalonia as some kind of cross platform wpf replacement ui thing
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2024-05-29 20:02:55	demonicm1niac1	teraflops: but looking around on their site i can't find ANYTHING about what they actually "use" as backends if any
2024-05-29 20:03:13	teraflops	yeah been dealing with this a couple of hours
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2024-05-29 20:03:28	teraflops	I'm going to check in  the external momitor
2024-05-29 20:03:52	demonicm1niac1	* Independent rendering: While Xamarin.Forms relies on the native controls of the target platform for rendering, Avalonia has its own rendering engine. This means that it doesn't use the native UI controls of the operating system but instead draws the entire UI itself. This provides a high degree of flexibility and customization.
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2024-05-29 20:04:08	demonicm1niac1	so i guess they actually use skia to render everything themselves as vector drawing ui thing
2024-05-29 20:04:20	demonicm1niac1	no native toolkits of any kind
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2024-05-29 20:06:50	teraflops	in the external monitor is a bit better because I scale it up a bit, 1.2 actually https://paste.priet.us/screenshot_2024-05-29-20-05-57.png
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2024-05-29 20:08:46	demonicm1niac1	teraflops: could always start another x server with one monitor and res set to half the monitor native i guess and launch it there :D
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2024-05-29 20:09:04	teraflops	;)
2024-05-29 20:09:32	teraflops	well, I can read it, but I have to force a bit
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2024-05-29 20:10:10	demonicm1niac1	i wonder is there something mesa builtin or compositor builtin to scale stuff?
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2024-05-29 20:10:35	teraflops	I only an option to render using opengl
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2024-05-29 20:11:38	demonicm1niac1	teraflops: hm can you like pass it dpi maybe?
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2024-05-29 20:11:53	demonicm1niac1	i know blender just uses dpi for example for its ui
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2024-05-29 20:12:29	teraflops	im going to cehck
2024-05-29 20:12:32	teraflops	check
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2024-05-29 20:13:16	demonicm1niac1	i explicitly set dpi to 96x96 because otherwise blender would be way too huge
2024-05-29 20:13:40	demonicm1niac1	took me a while to figure it out when i moved from modesetting giving 96 to xf86-video-amdgpu with 140 and suddenly blender was unusable :D
2024-05-29 20:14:14	teraflops	https://github.com/AvaloniaUI/Avalonia/issues/4826
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2024-05-29 20:14:21	teraflops	but I'm on wayland
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2024-05-29 20:15:51	teraflops	this does nothing AVALONIA_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTORS='XWAYLAND0=1.5' 
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2024-05-29 20:16:37	demonicm1niac1	welp
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2024-05-29 20:17:31	teraflops	I got it
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2024-05-29 20:17:54	teraflops	this works
2024-05-29 20:17:56	teraflops	AVALONIA_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTORS='eDP-1=1.5'  /opt/stabilitymatrix/StabilityMatrix.Avalonia
2024-05-29 20:18:11	teraflops	thanks guys
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2024-05-29 20:21:32	demonicm1niac1	teraflops: might be worth it to make some notes in the wiki since avalonia seems to be "common" across cross platform .net stuff
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2024-05-29 20:22:06	teraflops	ill do
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2024-05-29 20:22:14	teraflops	also thank you
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2024-05-29 20:22:42	susi	teraflops: np
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2024-05-29 20:23:57	Ena0	Hello I have a VPN question. So my VPN has a killswitch. I don't have nftables intalled and my iptables ruleset is empty. I also have no additional network interfaces and ip rules doens't show any special results. How is the killswitch working?
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2024-05-29 20:24:19	Ena0	I mean how else is it possible to control connectivity on linux besides a firewall?
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2024-05-29 20:38:27	another|	Ena0: Wdym, "no additional interfaces"? Is the VPN even up?
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2024-05-29 20:42:00	Ena0	another|: No But the killswitch is still working.
2024-05-29 20:42:16	Ena0	I'm wondering how it's working since no firewall rules are being set...
2024-05-29 20:43:04	another|	Wat? What makes you think there is a killswitch?
2024-05-29 20:43:17	Ena0	another|: Because I have no inernet connection?
2024-05-29 20:43:45	Ena0	another|: My question is what else is there on linux besides  a firewall that can prevent network access?
2024-05-29 20:43:50	gaku	Ena0: the "killswitch" usually is just a fancy firewall rule
2024-05-29 20:44:02	gaku	Ena0: what kind of VPN are we talking about? wireguard?
2024-05-29 20:44:13	Ena0	gaku: Yeah the thing is that I don't have nftables installed and my iptable ruleset is empty
2024-05-29 20:44:23	Ena0	gaku: So it's apparently not the firewall
2024-05-29 20:44:31	Ena0	gaku: Yes wireguard.
2024-05-29 20:44:42	another|	This sounds like an XY-problem
2024-05-29 20:44:50	gaku	Ena0: for all I know, yer whole internet may be down, or yer routing yer traffic tru a borked wireguard tunnel
2024-05-29 20:44:52	Ena0	another|: What's that?
2024-05-29 20:45:12	another|	!xy
2024-05-29 20:45:12	phrik	What exactly are you trying to do? http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=542341
2024-05-29 20:45:31	Ena0	what?
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2024-05-29 20:46:29	Ena0	gaku: How do i check if it's being routed thorugh a broken? wireguard tunnel?
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2024-05-29 20:46:57	another|	ip r g 8.8.8.8
2024-05-29 20:47:06	Ena0	another|: I'm trying to understand what else can be used to prevent me accessing the internet on linux except a firewall rule.
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2024-05-29 20:47:57	gaku	Ena0: a scissor, afaik
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2024-05-29 20:48:04	another|	broken routing, broken network config, ...
2024-05-29 20:48:06	gaku	or a hammer, if it's only WiFi and a router
2024-05-29 20:49:06	Ena0	any ideas how mullvad vpn might be doing it?
2024-05-29 20:49:09	gaku	Ena0: regardless, for wireguard there is `wg` and that should let you see if the tunnel did a proper handshake
2024-05-29 20:49:28	Ena0	ip r doesn't change 
2024-05-29 20:49:30	gaku	Ena0: are you using mullvad with the app or a wireguard config file
2024-05-29 20:49:36	Ena0	gaku: app
2024-05-29 20:49:42	Ena0	from the aur
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2024-05-29 20:50:01	Ena0	I'm trying to find out how the killswitch is workkng
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2024-05-29 20:51:11	another|	`ip a; ip r s t all; ip ru; ip -6 ru`
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2024-05-29 20:54:44	Ena0	another|: only difference is this line: valid_lft 854909sec preferred_lft 854909sec
2024-05-29 20:54:50	Ena0	whatever that means
2024-05-29 20:55:05	another|	difference to what?
2024-05-29 20:55:17	Ena0	killswitch off/ killwitch on
2024-05-29 20:55:44	another|	`iptables-save ; nft list ruleset`
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2024-05-29 20:56:06	Ena0	another|: As I said I don't have nftables installed and the iptables ruleset is always empty
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2024-05-29 20:56:40	another|	`iptables-save --version`
2024-05-29 20:57:11	Ena0	another|: iptables-save v1.8.10 (legacy)
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2024-05-29 20:58:12	another|	install `nftables` then to see the ruleset
2024-05-29 20:58:16	Ena0	iptables-save has no output since no rules
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2024-05-29 20:58:40	Ena0	another|: when I install nftables and enable the killswitch the rules of the killswitch will be there.
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2024-05-29 20:58:50	Ena0	Point is I don't have nftables installed. 
2024-05-29 20:59:01	Ena0	So how is it working without nftables?
2024-05-29 20:59:02	another|	so?
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2024-05-29 20:59:23	another|	through the API?
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2024-05-29 20:59:29	Ena0	What api?
2024-05-29 20:59:34	Ena0	the app?
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2024-05-29 20:59:48	another|	netfilter kernel API
2024-05-29 21:00:05	Ena0	another|: But can it be done without nftables being installed?
2024-05-29 21:00:18	another|	yes
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2024-05-29 21:00:27	Ena0	another|: Ah lol good to know
2024-05-29 21:00:37	another|	noteably, `mullvad-vpn-bin` depends on `libnftnl`
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2024-05-29 21:00:49	Ena0	I thought I need the program for it to be able to write to the kernel or whatever it's called
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2024-05-29 21:01:25	Ena0	so 'nftables' just let's me view the rules but nftables is not needed for rules to be written?
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2024-05-29 21:02:25	Warepire	nftables is just a program that enables you to set and view the netfilter configuration.
2024-05-29 21:02:27	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-05-29 21:02:51	Warepire	netfilter is part of the kernel
2024-05-29 21:02:51	Ena0	Warepire: But 'nftables' the program is not needed to write the netfliter configuration?
2024-05-29 21:03:38	Warepire	No, as I said, it enables you, you can also change it programmatically with a helper library such as libnftnl, or even using the raw kernel API
2024-05-29 21:03:56	Ena0	Warepire: I see. Thx!
2024-05-29 21:04:21	Warepire	Like 'ip' isn't the only way to view or net the network interface configurations
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2024-05-29 21:04:31	Warepire	*set
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2024-05-29 21:05:27	Ena0	Warepire: Yeah I get  it now. I thought it works like an 'antivirus' on windows or something. Meaning that it has to be installed to work but it's more like it's just a tool to communicate with some firewall integrated in the kernel.
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2024-05-29 21:50:00	wyre	hi guys, not sure why but my system is just using a single cpu
2024-05-29 21:50:03	wyre	I've 8!
2024-05-29 21:50:08	wyre	why is that? 
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2024-05-29 21:50:53	mefistofeles	wyre: many applications are single-threaded
2024-05-29 21:51:15	mefistofeles	but having extra cores (not cpus) mean you can run many of these in parallel
2024-05-29 21:51:15	wyre	no, but I feel like it was particularly slow
2024-05-29 21:51:36	BrainDamage	feelings aren't a good measure
2024-05-29 21:51:40	BrainDamage	run a benchmark
2024-05-29 21:51:55	BrainDamage	compare to someone else that run on the same hw
2024-05-29 21:51:57	demonicm1niac1	define what you were doing that was using only one core
2024-05-29 21:52:16	demonicm1niac1	if you mean building stuff then make defaults to 1 job unless you edit makepkg.conf
2024-05-29 21:52:20	wyre	not sure why, but my total percentage isn't getting up over 15%
2024-05-29 21:53:46	wyre	I've opened Chrome with a couple of tabs loaded, weechat and gnome-system-monitor
2024-05-29 21:54:09	wyre	and ... it's tooooo slow
2024-05-29 21:54:11	wyre	https://i.imgur.com/V1a2yGV.png
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2024-05-29 21:54:19	wyre	it's just using cpu7
2024-05-29 21:54:37	wyre	I usually can see there a rainbow
2024-05-29 21:54:50	wyre	between several cpus taking the control over others
2024-05-29 21:55:05	wyre	it's permanently using CPU7 ... but why?!
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2024-05-29 21:56:37	demonicm1niac1	what cpu is this. is this a heterogenous p/e core mix modern intel?
2024-05-29 21:56:41	wyre	it's like cpu governor/scaling is broken 🤔 
2024-05-29 21:56:56	wyre	demonicm1niac1, AMD FX-8300 (8) @ 3.300GHz
2024-05-29 21:57:12	demonicm1niac1	oh my
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2024-05-29 21:58:08	wyre	BrainDamage, some suggestion? 
2024-05-29 21:58:13	demonicm1niac1	ancient amd vishera 4 "modules" with 8 integer units and 4 fp units machine
2024-05-29 21:58:50	demonicm1niac1	wyre: pacman -S stress. stress -c 8. then check in system monitor
2024-05-29 21:59:37	Edu4rdSHL	wyre, I'm sure you don't have 8 cpus
2024-05-29 21:59:47	Edu4rdSHL	Maybe 8 threads, not even cores
2024-05-29 21:59:56	wyre	sure
2024-05-29 21:59:59	Edu4rdSHL	What does `nproc` prints?
2024-05-29 22:00:02	wyre	they are just 4 cpus, I think
2024-05-29 22:00:09	wyre	well, it's an old cpu that's right
2024-05-29 22:00:16	wyre	but it isn't working properly I think
2024-05-29 22:00:16	demonicm1niac1	it's 4 "modules". one module has 2 integer units and 1 fp unit
2024-05-29 22:00:22	demonicm1niac1	it's technically 8 threads - integer
2024-05-29 22:00:29	wyre	Edu4rdSHL, 8
2024-05-29 22:00:30	demonicm1niac1	but shared fpu per module
2024-05-29 22:00:36	wyre	but they aren't 8, sure
2024-05-29 22:00:38	wyre	I know it
2024-05-29 22:00:46	wyre	anyway ... I'm going to try the demonicm1niac1 suggestion
2024-05-29 22:01:05	Edu4rdSHL	> What does `nproc` prints?
2024-05-29 22:01:11	demonicm1niac1	that would just show you if 8 processes doing load would make all cores load show up in gnome system monitor
2024-05-29 22:01:25	mefistofeles	wyre: also, a browser/GUI appearing slow might not be related to CPU usage, but rather GPU or other things
2024-05-29 22:01:37	Edu4rdSHL	Also, I would expect the system to be very slow with that processor tbh
2024-05-29 22:01:50	mefistofeles	yeah, that's a slow/old processor
2024-05-29 22:01:52	wyre	Edu4rdSHL, it was working properly a few days ago
2024-05-29 22:02:01	demonicm1niac1	mefistofeles: Edu4rdSHL: the thing is looking at the graph it stays stuck on one core, usually you have at least some moving of threads between cores
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2024-05-29 22:02:31	mefistofeles	demonicm1niac1: that depends on the scheduler, but yeah, the "vanilla" default scheduler should move things around
2024-05-29 22:02:40	Edu4rdSHL	Ah, I see the issue now
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2024-05-29 22:02:53	wyre	https://i.imgur.com/gUn0FSz.png
2024-05-29 22:03:01	demonicm1niac1	i wonder if it's some powersaving stuff that keeps cores shut off
2024-05-29 22:03:03	wyre	that's not normal I say 😆
2024-05-29 22:03:08	demonicm1niac1	or prefers keeping stuff on one core to keep others clock gated
2024-05-29 22:03:13	Edu4rdSHL	Check htop, wyre 
2024-05-29 22:03:31	wyre	htop says the same thing
2024-05-29 22:03:33	Edu4rdSHL	I want to see which core is exactly being loaded
2024-05-29 22:03:43	mefistofeles	wyre: oh yeah, that's weird, is this a virtual machine by any chance? 
2024-05-29 22:03:45	Edu4rdSHL	Ah, CPU7
2024-05-29 22:04:08	demonicm1niac1	yeah that's fucked up running 8 jobs on just one core
2024-05-29 22:04:12	wyre	https://i.imgur.com/LYTHqO6.png
2024-05-29 22:04:32	wyre	mefistofeles, it's my desktop pc
2024-05-29 22:04:34	wyre	😆
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2024-05-29 22:04:38	demonicm1niac1	wyre: what's dmesg saying?
2024-05-29 22:04:38	Edu4rdSHL	Did you changed some BIOS, boot parameter settings or somehting?
2024-05-29 22:04:48	mefistofeles	reboot and try again :P
2024-05-29 22:04:55	wyre	I've rebooted several times
2024-05-29 22:05:04	wyre	upgraded and rebooted
2024-05-29 22:05:04	mefistofeles	hmm
2024-05-29 22:05:12	wyre	Edu4rdSHL, nope
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2024-05-29 22:05:20	wyre	didn't touch anything in firmware for months
2024-05-29 22:05:30	BrainDamage	are you using a nonstandard kernel?
2024-05-29 22:05:35	mefistofeles	well, this is not normal, boot an archiso and test there
2024-05-29 22:05:56	wyre	6.9.2-arch1-1
2024-05-29 22:06:08	wyre	let's try windows
2024-05-29 22:06:14	demonicm1niac1	:/
2024-05-29 22:06:16	demonicm1niac1	DMESG!
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2024-05-29 22:06:44	wyre	https://bpa.st/JB5A demonicm1niac1 
2024-05-29 22:06:45	phrik	Title: View paste JB5A (at bpa.st)
2024-05-29 22:07:03	wyre	I'm going to try windows, brb
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2024-05-29 22:08:01	demonicm1niac1	that's segfaults in task sched during boot
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2024-05-29 22:09:27	Edu4rdSHL	Let me guess: some windows hibernation thing messing up
2024-05-29 22:09:33	Edu4rdSHL	Or just a kernel bug
2024-05-29 22:09:56	demonicm1niac1	dunno but looks bad
2024-05-29 22:10:09	post-factum	https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/8734q1bsc4.ffs@tglx/
2024-05-29 22:10:11	phrik	Title: [PATCH Resend] x86/topology/amd: Evaluate SMT in CPUID leaf 0x8000001e only on family 0x17 and greater - Thomas Gleixner (at lore.kernel.org)
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2024-05-29 22:10:45	Edu4rdSHL	Ah
2024-05-29 22:10:46	demonicm1niac1	post-factum: ah nice so it's a regression
2024-05-29 22:10:50	post-factum	yes
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2024-05-29 22:11:16	demonicm1niac1	wyre: tl;dr regression in 6.9 use lts
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2024-05-29 22:12:16	wyre	windows is doing it well https://i.imgur.com/Dk7zmfB.png
2024-05-29 22:12:23	post-factum	i'd be glad to see arch backporting fixes more proactively because stable kernel doesn't care to do this in time, and distro just ships kernel that is broken in different ways
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2024-05-29 22:12:37	wyre	demonicm1niac1, ok, I'm going to try lts
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2024-05-29 22:13:16	Edu4rdSHL	Well, that's a kernel issue no?
2024-05-29 22:13:52	Edu4rdSHL	I mean, it was broken since 6.9.x, which implies rc testing, etc
2024-05-29 22:14:15	Edu4rdSHL	I don't think Arch has anything to do on it
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2024-05-29 22:14:42	post-factum	arch as a packaging machine probably not
2024-05-29 22:14:48	Edu4rdSHL	And me as someone who has worked with backporting things, it's just a big PITA
2024-05-29 22:14:59	post-factum	arch as a user-facing thing probably yes
2024-05-29 22:15:12	post-factum	(i don't care, i do backports on my own for myself)
2024-05-29 22:15:12	Phr33d0m	extra/nodejs 22.2.0-1 is installing a symlink " /usr/bin/yarn -> ../lib/node_modules/corepack/dist/yarn.js" which makes extra/yarn fail to install due to error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
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2024-05-29 22:15:51	Edu4rdSHL	Phr33d0m, so?
2024-05-29 22:16:23	Edu4rdSHL	I mean, you have something installed there that was installed manually or some broken package
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2024-05-29 22:16:58	Edu4rdSHL	usr/lib/node_modules/corepack/dist/yarn.js is literally... yarn
2024-05-29 22:17:09	wyre	can you repeat, demonicm1niac?
2024-05-29 22:17:25	Edu4rdSHL	wyre, stop disconnecting every time someone tell you something
2024-05-29 22:17:27	wyre	I've lost my bouncer and haven't logs :(
2024-05-29 22:17:32	Phr33d0m	I believe https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/nodejs/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads#L57 is installing this symlink (e.g. 'node's install script is installing the symlink')
2024-05-29 22:17:33	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / nodejs · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-29 22:17:35	demonicm1niac1	22:10 < post-factum> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/8734q1bsc4.ffs@tglx/
2024-05-29 22:17:37	Edu4rdSHL	Install linux-lts and use it
2024-05-29 22:17:38	wyre	Edu4rdSHL, sorry, I was rebooting and trying windows and lts
2024-05-29 22:17:38	demonicm1niac1	wyre: ^
2024-05-29 22:17:38	phrik	Title: [PATCH Resend] x86/topology/amd: Evaluate SMT in CPUID leaf 0x8000001e only on family 0x17 and greater - Thomas Gleixner (at lore.kernel.org)
2024-05-29 22:17:54	demonicm1niac1	so yeah lts should fix it for now till upstream fixes that bug
2024-05-29 22:18:09	wyre	I see
2024-05-29 22:18:14	wyre	thank you demonicm1niac1 😋
2024-05-29 22:18:27	wyre	now much better, hehe
2024-05-29 22:18:52	mefistofeles	yikes, kernel regressions are so common these days :/
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2024-05-29 22:19:15	Phr33d0m	╰─ yarn --help
2024-05-29 22:19:16	Phr33d0m	! Corepack is about to download https://registry.yarnpkg.com/yarn/-/yarn-1.22.19.tgz
2024-05-29 22:19:16	phrik	Phr33d0m: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
2024-05-29 22:19:30	Phr33d0m	Edu4rdSHL is this "literally yarn" beheaviour ^ ?
2024-05-29 22:19:43	mefistofeles	wtf is yarn? xD
2024-05-29 22:19:57	Phr33d0m	my nightmare
2024-05-29 22:20:09	mefistofeles	remove it
2024-05-29 22:22:08	Edu4rdSHL	Phr33d0m, because your yarn installation is broken
2024-05-29 22:22:17	Edu4rdSHL	You just pointed that out before
2024-05-29 22:22:55	Edu4rdSHL	You have a broken yarn installation from something else
2024-05-29 22:23:02	BrainDamage	mefistofeles: npm alternative, with it own set of problems
2024-05-29 22:23:49	post-factum	wyre: demonicm1niac1: gonna fix this in -pf3 in case you use pf-kernel https://codeberg.org/pf-kernel/linux/commit/7000cac62b07eac95955e8c02ab4a9cb5b480c0a
2024-05-29 22:23:55	phrik	Title: x86/topology/amd: Evaluate SMT in CPUID leaf 0x8000001e only on family 0x17 and greater · 7000cac62b - pf-kernel/linux - Codeberg.org (at codeberg.org)
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2024-05-29 22:24:09	BrainDamage	and one super ironic thing, is that once yarn failed me for the very same reason it was invented for
2024-05-29 22:25:02	mefistofeles	sounds like a package manager indeed
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2024-05-29 22:31:12	gromit	post-factum: just out of intrest, did you strip my name on purpose from your version of the patch? Or is this some script failing?  
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2024-05-29 22:36:01	post-factum	gromit: which patch? the topology one?
2024-05-29 22:36:33	post-factum	gromit: all i did was `git cherry-pick 76357cc192acd78b85d4c3380d07f139d906dfe8`
2024-05-29 22:36:42	post-factum	whatever was in that commit, no amendments
2024-05-29 22:36:52	post-factum	(except for conflict)
2024-05-29 22:37:51	post-factum	source: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tip/tip.git/commit/?id=76357cc192acd78b85d4c3380d07f139d906dfe8
2024-05-29 22:37:52	phrik	Title: x86/topology/amd: Evaluate SMT in CPUID leaf 0x8000001e only on family 0x17 and greater - kernel/git/tip/tip.git - Unnamed repository; edit this file 'description' to name the repository. (at git.kernel.org)
2024-05-29 22:39:33	post-factum	i think Thomas dropped your Bisected-by:?
2024-05-29 22:39:39	post-factum	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2024-05-29 22:56:57	xxlynx	So I've a new setup and having nothing but trouble with it. Using KDE Plasma 6 on a GTX1070 with nouveau drivers and can't get one of my monitors to output anything despite being both detected in the display configuration and with xrand --listactivemonitors. Anyone got any advice?
2024-05-29 22:57:15	wyre	post-factum, so you think it will be fixed in the next kernel update? 
2024-05-29 22:58:52	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-05-29 23:09:22	post-factum	wyre: probably. stable@ is in Cc:, so "stable" kernel maintainers should see this, but at this very moment this patch is not in the queue: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/stable-queue.git/tree/queue-6.9 probably because it hasn't hit upstream/master for 6.10 yet (?)
2024-05-29 23:09:23	phrik	Title: queue-6.9 - kernel/git/stable/stable-queue.git - Linux kernel stable patch queue (at git.kernel.org)
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2024-05-29 23:10:42	gromit	post-factum: ah interesting!
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2024-05-29 23:15:35	wyre	I see, tyvm guys! 😋
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2024-05-29 23:40:33	solsTiCe	susi: I got more or less the same problems with a new user.
2024-05-29 23:41:45	susi	what kind of setup youse got, some "third-party" compositor?
2024-05-29 23:42:08	susi	how did you test it with a new user
2024-05-29 23:43:02	solsTiCe	no nothing fancy. I did not try to make any change with gparted. just trying to resize one partition, and one can see the dialog is broken, because on can't change values in input entry for numbers
2024-05-29 23:44:58	solsTiCe	I think I am gonna make a brand new install. may be too mcuh cruft. this istnall s dates back from 2019
2024-05-29 23:45:35	solsTiCe	never mind
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2024-05-30 00:28:56	golam71	hi
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2024-05-30 00:29:41	mpan	golam71: welcome.
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2024-05-30 00:38:33	mpan	golam71: if you have any question, just state it. If anybody knows, they will respond. :)
2024-05-30 00:39:01	golam71	no just said hi
2024-05-30 00:39:24	golam71	am feeling lonely :)
2024-05-30 00:39:36	mpan	Try: pacman -S friend
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2024-05-30 13:48:13	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-05-30 14:01:39	⚡ 	alad tests demize
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2024-05-30 14:09:29	dagle	!demize
2024-05-30 14:09:30	phrik	loves dagle
2024-05-30 14:09:33	dagle	:3
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2024-05-30 14:11:36	alad	!dagle
2024-05-30 14:11:37	phrik	loves demize
2024-05-30 14:11:41	alad	>:O
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2024-05-30 14:18:41	j0hannes	For a couple of days now, I'm experiencing random reboots and I have no idea how to debug them
2024-05-30 14:19:00	BrainDamage	does the journal have anything?
2024-05-30 14:19:12	BrainDamage	you can use -b -numberofbootsago
2024-05-30 14:19:34	j0hannes	I always look at -b-1 but I don't see anything useful there
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2024-05-30 17:31:07	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1470 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1469 regular)
2024-05-30 14:23:29	j0hannes	for the last 5 minutes the only entries are by rtkit-daemon
2024-05-30 15:23:15	Paerox	Are there any Bitwig users here? I'm having trouble running the early access beta with KDE Plasma on Wayland with a RX580. I get a corrupted color palette, and the display no longer updates in this state.
2024-05-30 15:23:54	Paerox	I have verified that vulkan is working properly, with vkcube and Portal 2.
2024-05-30 15:23:55	BrainDamage	launch it in a console and see if there's useful messages
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2024-05-30 15:43:30	NeedHelllp	Hey, I need urgent help, because I am very dumb.
2024-05-30 15:43:31	NeedHelllp	I was cd into Downloads folder, and by mistake created a directory '~'. To remove it and all the contents in it, I by mistake rm -rf ~ , which is my user directory. Now I have systemctl suspended the pc. Can  somebody please help my? I am an idiot
2024-05-30 15:44:32	NeedHelllp	also, my drive is encrypted.
2024-05-30 15:44:48	NeedHelllp	I mean both my home and root partition
2024-05-30 15:45:03	glitsj16	restore from backup
2024-05-30 15:45:44	FishBone000	well
2024-05-30 15:45:51	FishBone000	mount your home as read only
2024-05-30 15:46:06	FishBone000	try recover your data with some tools (idk what they are, but they exist)
2024-05-30 15:46:28	NeedHelllp	Yeah, I know. I was hoping someone here with knowledge would help me
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2024-05-30 15:47:06	FishBone000	Ughk. Search Arch Wiki perhaps?
2024-05-30 15:47:59	NeedHelllp	yeah, I want to try on my own as the last resort. As I don't want to mess anything more. If someone here who knows about this can help me, please do
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2024-05-30 15:52:46	glitsj16	what filesystem is this? there is https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/File_recovery
2024-05-30 15:52:47	phrik	Title: File recovery - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-30 16:00:07	Paerox	BrainDamage: I launched bitwig-studio from Konsole. What I get is info about "About ot start the following process:", "Child process launched with PID", "Backing up log file "~./BitwigStudio/log/BitwigStudio.log"
2024-05-30 16:00:58	Paerox	Could it be something wrong with my vulkan setup?
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2024-05-30 16:08:18	Paerox	Last line of BitwigStudio.log is: [%timestamp skia error] vkAcquireNextImageKHR failed: Timeout
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2024-05-30 18:12:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-30 18:03:34	GreyXor	I hope gitlab.archlinux.org will also handle the aur packages. Because it's lot of suffering to managing package comments, not being able to have merge requests, etc.
2024-05-30 18:03:50	GreyXor	and issues tracking*
2024-05-30 18:12:32	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-05-30 21:05:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-30 18:36:50	jelle	it won't anytime soon (or hopefully ever)
2024-05-30 18:44:53	susi	why nose
2024-05-30 18:45:39	jelle	because the AUR is not a normal git repo
2024-05-30 21:05:45	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-05-30 19:22:37	bonob	Should I attempt to fix the following? warning: directory permissions differ on /var/games/nethack/save/  filesystem: 2775  package: 775
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2024-05-30 19:35:04	bonob	Maybe I should rather ask: is there a way for pacman to re-issue all permission discrepancies between packages and filesystem?
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2024-05-30 19:36:10	degantyll	im guessing you can reinstall nethack and that'd be fixed
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2024-05-30 20:09:51	cbus	cool that nethack has ncurses precompiled :)
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2024-05-30 20:25:17	bobby3605	The clang package is out of date, and I wanted to know if there's anything I can do to help update it to clang 18.
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2024-05-30 20:45:56	gromit	bobby3605: no the clang package is kept back until the projects that use it are compatible .. There has been discussion about adding packages for each major version but so far nothing fruitful
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2024-05-30 20:46:05	gromit	bobby3605: why do you need the latest version? 
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2024-05-30 21:11:59	old-arch-user	Welp, it finally happened.  I accidentally dd'd my boot drive.
2024-05-30 21:13:26	another|	did you use /dev/sd* ?
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2024-05-30 21:18:50	old-arch-user	welp, it finally happened.  I accidentally dd'd my OS drive
2024-05-30 21:19:12	Edu4rdSHL	That's where backups come to the rescue
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2024-05-30 21:20:02	MacGyver	old-arch-user: You'd think you be more careful in the 6 minutes after dd'ing your boot drive.
2024-05-30 21:20:03	old-arch-user	😅 that's where i'm at... the system still appears to be working fine but I guess it's not as simple as dd'ing another drive with the same info
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2024-05-30 21:20:37	old-arch-user	lol, i didn't think that first msg went through MacGyver... haven't used web based irc (or irc in general) in a loooong time
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2024-05-30 21:21:22	old-arch-user	well, to add a bit of a wrinkle, i'm using cryptroot and the system seems to be running just fine... i think when I reboot though i'm going to be in for a bad time
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2024-05-30 21:21:53	old-arch-user	!paste
2024-05-30 21:21:54	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-05-30 21:22:34	old-arch-user	this was the deadly output.  I realized when it ran in a millisecond```2640+0 records in
2024-05-30 21:22:34	old-arch-user	2640+0 records out
2024-05-30 21:22:35	old-arch-user	2768240640 bytes (2.8 GB, 2.6 GiB) copied, 0.816133 s, 3.4 GB/s```
2024-05-30 21:22:43	Ena0	Why doesn't pacman -Fl list all installed files by a package? I did pacman -Fl net-tools and "ss" is not inluded in the output.
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2024-05-30 21:23:45	Ena0	nvm it's included in a different package xD
2024-05-30 21:23:52	MacGyver	Ena0: That's because it's not *in* net-...
2024-05-30 21:24:00	old-arch-user	Does anyone have any advice on how to recover?  This will be my first time using cryptroot and I thought I could just dd the unencrypted partition but I don't know what dd'ing the raw drive would do to cryptroot
2024-05-30 21:24:00	another|	net-tools are deprecated
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2024-05-30 21:24:24	Ena0	another|: What should I be using instead? 
2024-05-30 21:24:30	Ena0	another|: iproute2?
2024-05-30 21:24:33	another|	iproute2
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2024-05-30 21:24:57	Ena0	another|: Yeah thanks! 
2024-05-30 21:25:02	Ena0	Just uninstalled net-tools
2024-05-30 21:25:18	Ena0	I was looking for netstat but ss is the new variant thx
2024-05-30 21:25:24	Ena0	replacement *
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2024-05-30 21:26:08	bobby3605	gromit: There's a minor bug in clang 17.0.1 with c++23. It's causing some errors for me with ccls, because I use clang for the backend. https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/issues/93734
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2024-05-30 21:36:23	old-arch-user	Fun, errors starting with `tar` as i'm trying to back up the system 😡
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2024-05-30 21:38:56	gromit	bobby3605: uh damn 🤔
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2024-05-30 22:12:37	randomusr	is there a tool/package or quick way to add search functionality to the html docs? Thinking of something pre-built as opposed to using things like fz, grep, sed, awk, etc
2024-05-30 22:12:58	randomusr	meant say the offline wiki package
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2024-05-30 22:15:00	Namarrgon	Doesn't one of the two packages already have a search tool?
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2024-05-30 22:16:48	randomusr	Perhaps. I'll need to look at the documentation further. 
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2024-05-30 22:25:10	Edu4rdSHL	randomusr, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Help:Browsing#Offline_viewing
2024-05-30 22:25:12	phrik	Title: Help:Browsing - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-30 22:25:52	Edu4rdSHL	arch-wiki-lite is very convenient
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2024-05-30 22:35:35	nullstring	isn't there a package in AUR or something that can convert from deb to pkgbuild? like autogen the pkgbuild file for me?
2024-05-30 22:35:42	nullstring	I swear there is but I can't find it
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2024-05-30 22:36:14	demonicm1niac1	no because names are different for packages and stuff
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2024-05-30 22:36:39	demonicm1niac1	you can make a .tar.gz out of the .deb stripping out the debian specifics but that doesn't generate a pkgbuild with valid depends/makedepnds/etc
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2024-05-30 22:37:03	MacGyver	nullstring: Automatic conversion: no. But several PKGBUILDs that repackage a .deb do exist.
2024-05-30 22:37:24	nullstring	demonicm1niac1: https://pypi.org/project/pypi2pkgbuild/ I mean they have this which does it from pyp and over comes the same exact issues
2024-05-30 22:37:25	phrik	Title: pypi2pkgbuild · PyPI (at pypi.org)
2024-05-30 22:37:36	nullstring	(and it works surprisingly well)
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2024-05-30 22:38:03	demonicm1niac1	it does not work for non python deps once you involve actual gtk bindings and stuff reuqiring c libs and packages
2024-05-30 22:38:11	demonicm1niac1	that only works if it's ONLY python depends
2024-05-30 22:38:17	nullstring	https://github.com/helixarch/debtap
2024-05-30 22:38:26	nullstring	here it is
2024-05-30 22:38:51	MacGyver	nullstring: E.g. https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=skype
2024-05-30 22:38:53	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-05-30 22:39:09	nullstring	yeah but I don't want to it manually :P
2024-05-30 22:39:26	demonicm1niac1	which also tells you that package names and differ and it probably won't work if there's many deps involved
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2024-05-30 22:39:31	demonicm1niac1	or let alone versioned deps
2024-05-30 22:39:46	nullstring	demonicm1niac1: right but, you can mitigate those issues, and it will work well for simple things
2024-05-30 22:39:53	MacGyver	nullstring: By all means use debtap to create an initial version, but you're still going to need to do some manual work.
2024-05-30 22:40:00	demonicm1niac1	it's a start to build off of if you have to
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2024-05-30 22:40:51	nullstring	MacGyver: my guess is it works 100% for this case :P
2024-05-30 22:40:55	nullstring	lets find out
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2024-05-30 22:45:31	Edu4rdSHL	nullstring, honestly packaging from .deb to pacman format is really very easy that I don't see a reason to use some tool
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2024-05-30 22:46:14	Edu4rdSHL	https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=signal-desktop-beta-bin
2024-05-30 22:46:15	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-05-30 22:46:17	Edu4rdSHL	i.e
2024-05-30 22:46:28	Edu4rdSHL	That's all you need for 99% of .deb to pacman format
2024-05-30 22:46:57	nullstring	because the tool does it in 10 seconds...
2024-05-30 22:47:07	MacGyver	I'm curious what debtap believes it does better than the naive conversion.
2024-05-30 22:47:16	nullstring	it does it faster?
2024-05-30 22:47:19	nullstring	its done already
2024-05-30 22:47:20	nullstring	and installed
2024-05-30 22:47:25	MacGyver	It claims it respects more metadata than a manual conversion.
2024-05-30 22:47:26	nullstring	weird you guys want to argue about this
2024-05-30 22:47:43	MacGyver	And I'm wondering what metadata that is.
2024-05-30 22:47:47	Edu4rdSHL	Same
2024-05-30 22:48:22	Edu4rdSHL	nullstring, it's as simple as that people ends up installing packages with a PKGBUILD that they don't have idea what it does
2024-05-30 22:48:35	Edu4rdSHL	Did you read the resulting PKGBUILD before installing and all?
2024-05-30 22:48:43	nullstring	of course
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2024-05-30 22:49:32	Edu4rdSHL	Plus, how does even debtap manage updates, etc. Like, what it uses in the sources=(), doesn't it needs a .deb file in place?
2024-05-30 22:49:48	◣	progandy (~progandy@user/progandy) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-05-30 22:49:58	MacGyver	Edu4rdSHL: Sure, but that applies to many AUR-published deb-converting PKGBUILDs.
2024-05-30 22:50:01	nullstring	Edu4rdSHL: correct.. you put the deb file URL in there..
2024-05-30 22:50:10	MacGyver	They just get flagged out of date and updated to a new versioned .deb.
2024-05-30 22:50:19	nullstring	also yes, you should be reading basically every PKGBUILD you install
2024-05-30 22:50:25	nullstring	unless you already trust it
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2024-05-30 22:50:47	Edu4rdSHL	But you can do that simply changing the pkgver, MacGyver. In this case you need to go, find out the new .deb, download it, run debtap
2024-05-30 22:50:54	Edu4rdSHL	I doubt it's an improvement :p
2024-05-30 22:51:08	nullstring	changing the pkgver?
2024-05-30 22:51:14	nullstring	doesn't someone need to find the new deb?
2024-05-30 22:51:28	nullstring	like you need to put the new hash in there anyway right?
2024-05-30 22:51:38	Edu4rdSHL	Hash?
2024-05-30 22:51:42	nullstring	sum
2024-05-30 22:51:50	Edu4rdSHL	`updpkgsum`
2024-05-30 22:51:57	nullstring	ah
2024-05-30 22:52:02	nullstring	I mean
2024-05-30 22:52:08	nullstring	it literally just builds the exact same thing you linked
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2024-05-30 22:52:15	nullstring	IDK why it matters if it's done manually or by debtap?
2024-05-30 22:52:58	Edu4rdSHL	Have you even read the debtap script? :p
2024-05-30 22:53:05	Edu4rdSHL	Or even take a small look to it
2024-05-30 22:53:09	nullstring	no why would I need to do that... I can see the result..
2024-05-30 22:53:37	Edu4rdSHL	Just that's the reason: people using things that don't have idea how they work
2024-05-30 22:53:39	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2024-05-30 22:53:42	nullstring	uhhh
2024-05-30 22:53:43	nullstring	I mean
2024-05-30 22:53:45	nullstring	again
2024-05-30 22:53:48	nullstring	ok so
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2024-05-30 22:53:53	nullstring	like you use.. bash.. did you read the source?
2024-05-30 22:53:55	nullstring	do you know how it works?
2024-05-30 22:54:00	Edu4rdSHL	Yes
2024-05-30 22:54:03	nullstring	uhhh
2024-05-30 22:54:03	Edu4rdSHL	It's ugly
2024-05-30 22:54:04	nullstring	ok
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2024-05-30 22:54:26	nullstring	ok well, then thats a problem I have everywhere :P
2024-05-30 22:54:29	nullstring	I don't read the source of anything I use
2024-05-30 22:54:36	nullstring	I apologize I am not a good linux user
2024-05-30 22:55:04	bookworm	you can't read all the code you use
2024-05-30 22:55:04	Edu4rdSHL	People is just giving you a good advice here
2024-05-30 22:55:21	nullstring	what good advice?
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2024-05-30 22:55:30	nullstring	the resulting PKGBUILD is what I want
2024-05-30 22:55:30	Edu4rdSHL	To do it manually?
2024-05-30 22:55:33	nullstring	uhh
2024-05-30 22:55:38	nullstring	or just understand what youre doing..
2024-05-30 22:55:50	nullstring	doing it manually when it's completely unnecessary is not good advice
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2024-05-30 22:56:00	Edu4rdSHL	Which you don't? Because you didn't even knew what debtap was
2024-05-30 22:56:06	nullstring	I did
2024-05-30 22:56:10	nullstring	I just forgot the name
2024-05-30 22:56:42	nullstring	nevermind. this seems like a pointless discussion. Next you'll be telling me I shouldn't use pyp2pkgbuild tool either :P
2024-05-30 22:57:01	Edu4rdSHL	Also: what's the advantage of going to download some file every time, move to some folder, run debtap, when you can just: change a pkgver, build
2024-05-30 22:57:23	nullstring	Edu4rdSHL: you don't do that..
2024-05-30 22:57:32	nullstring	you build a pkgbuild... exactly like the one you linked
2024-05-30 22:57:35	Edu4rdSHL	But yeah, it's a pointless discussion at this point
2024-05-30 22:57:36	nullstring	and you change the pkgver
2024-05-30 22:57:42	nullstring	why would you rerun debtap?
2024-05-30 22:57:54	Edu4rdSHL	Then why not just use `makepkg` ?
2024-05-30 22:58:10	nullstring	I did...
2024-05-30 22:58:14	nullstring	I built the PKGBUILD
2024-05-30 22:58:18	nullstring	read it
2024-05-30 22:58:22	nullstring	then did makepkg 
2024-05-30 22:58:34	demonicm1niac1	debtap is a starting point to generate a PKGBUILD it parses the .deb for dependencies and such and makes a guess on arch deps and writes a pkgbuild
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2024-05-30 22:58:42	nullstring	exactly
2024-05-30 22:58:49	nullstring	and sometimez, it will get you literall 100% of the way there
2024-05-30 22:58:54	nullstring	because your package is that simple
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2024-05-30 22:59:30	nullstring	I feel like you're the one... Edu4rdSHL who doesn't understand..
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2024-05-30 23:00:01	MacGyver	nullstring: Well, afaict debtap generates a .MTREE, .PKGINFO, and .INSTALL, and those might actually change when the upstream .deb gets updated.
2024-05-30 23:00:22	nullstring	MacGyver: in this case all I have is a PKGBUILD file..
2024-05-30 23:00:28	Edu4rdSHL	nullstring, using a ugly script to do something very simple is not a good advice, that's it
2024-05-30 23:00:31	MacGyver	That's also where the "more metadata" point may come from.
2024-05-30 23:00:33	Edu4rdSHL	Do whatever you want
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2024-05-30 23:00:57	nullstring	Edu4rdSHL: taking 5 minutes to do something that takes 10 seconds isn't good advice, that's it
2024-05-30 23:01:03	nullstring	IDK why you care how "ugly" it is
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2024-05-30 23:01:27	bookworm	you two are turning in circles....
2024-05-30 23:02:28	Edu4rdSHL	I think so. Someone refuses to understand that using a random script that he doesn't have idea what it does for a simple task is not good. Anyways,
2024-05-30 23:02:30	Edu4rdSHL	!bail
2024-05-30 23:02:31	phrik	Looks like Edu4rdSHL is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2024-05-30 23:02:51	nullstring	Edu4rdSHL: I mean, why isn't it good. other than to say It
2024-05-30 23:02:56	nullstring	it's "ugly"
2024-05-30 23:03:10	nullstring	you haven't given any arguement for why this is a bad for one off use cases
2024-05-30 23:03:11	demonicm1niac1	the biggest issue debtap is facing - and pyp2pkgbuild and all of them - is that they can't handle conflicts. and you won't necessarily notice that until months later pacman -Syu fails
2024-05-30 23:03:30	nullstring	you.. have to review the PKGBUILD for correctness
2024-05-30 23:03:34	demonicm1niac1	because files in the generated package conflict with an official arch package
2024-05-30 23:03:46	nullstring	it's not a silverbullet
2024-05-30 23:03:52	nullstring	it's just automating something that you have to already know how to do
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2024-05-30 23:04:13	demonicm1niac1	but that's the case for every pkgbuild really from the aur
2024-05-30 23:04:18	demonicm1niac1	re conflicts
2024-05-30 23:04:24	nullstring	also true
2024-05-30 23:04:44	bookworm	I think you are conflating the act of using something as a rough skeleton vs "too lazy to do it, take exactly as the tool gives it to me"
2024-05-30 23:04:59	bookworm	skeleton is fine, hurdur no work probably not
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2024-05-30 23:05:05	nullstring	yeah but like
2024-05-30 23:05:10	nullstring	I just knew in this specific case..
2024-05-30 23:05:14	nullstring	https://packages.debian.org/sid/bruteforce-salted-openssl
2024-05-30 23:05:19	nullstring	it was just going to work 100% no effort
2024-05-30 23:05:31	demonicm1niac1	things like gem2arch and pip2pkgbuild tho also generally fail on stuff that goes beyond rubygems/pure python packages as soon as c libs or distro packages get involved
2024-05-30 23:05:52	demonicm1niac1	since sometimes the pip/gem have locked old versions that would conflict with repo packages
2024-05-30 23:05:59	bookworm	sure but even then having a rough sketch helps
2024-05-30 23:06:08	demonicm1niac1	and pip/gem can't know about .so dependencies of dynamically loaded libs
2024-05-30 23:06:30	bookworm	again, you'd modify it manually, you do all the same inspections in the end
2024-05-30 23:06:43	nullstring	and maybe my rhetoric is bad actually. 
2024-05-30 23:06:49	demonicm1niac1	for sure i'm just pointing out limitations. starting point is fine for all of them
2024-05-30 23:07:02	nullstring	because bookworm is right. it's -just- a skeleton. sometimes that skeleton is actually the entire thing but thats probably very rare.
2024-05-30 23:07:33	bookworm	could be worse than a deterministic script, could be GPT
2024-05-30 23:07:47	nullstring	I mean, if GPT could do this I'd probably ask it to :P
2024-05-30 23:07:57	nullstring	I've been using GPT so much in my dvelopment lately
2024-05-30 23:08:00	nullstring	it's super useful
2024-05-30 23:08:03	bookworm	ehw
2024-05-30 23:08:08	demonicm1niac1	debtap also has some knowledge of debian vs arch structure of symlinks and placement of stuff so you don't get stuff into /usr/local
2024-05-30 23:08:13	bookworm	ok let's drop that discussion here ;P
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2024-05-30 23:08:40	nullstring	(I actually use gemini but same difference)
2024-05-30 23:08:44	Edu4rdSHL	Oh no, a GPT crap lover, that explains it
2024-05-30 23:08:46	Edu4rdSHL	:p
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2024-05-30 23:09:20	nullstring	it's actually a good comparison
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2024-05-30 23:09:45	nullstring	because gemini gives you anywhere from 0 to 100% of what you need. and you absolutely need to be to be able to tell where you are in that.
2024-05-30 23:10:01	nullstring	and of course it's not going to tell you , it think it's always right
2024-05-30 23:10:21	nullstring	and of course I haven't read the GPT source code, I'm sure it's also "Ugly"
2024-05-30 23:10:39	bookworm	the code is simple, the weights aren't 
2024-05-30 23:11:15	demonicm1niac1	"Our analysis shows that 52 percent of ChatGPT answers are incorrect and 77 percent are verbose," the team's paper concluded. "Nonetheless, ChatGPT answers are still preferred 39.34 percent of the time due to their comprehensiveness and well-articulated language style." Among the set of preferred ChatGPT answers, 77 percent were wrong.
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2024-05-30 23:11:30	demonicm1niac1	that was 512 programming questions
2024-05-30 23:11:34	demonicm1niac1	study
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2024-05-30 23:11:59	nullstring	I don't doubt that at all :P
2024-05-30 23:12:11	nullstring	thats just not a good determination of usefulness
2024-05-30 23:12:30	bookworm	it is if you look at how people use the damn thing
2024-05-30 23:12:36	bookworm	they blindly trust it
2024-05-30 23:12:50	nullstring	I mean
2024-05-30 23:12:57	bookworm	they think of the model not as a model but as a person with feelings and values
2024-05-30 23:13:03	nullstring	so you blame the hammer because people are hitting people with it?
2024-05-30 23:13:07	nullstring	or do you blame the person?
2024-05-30 23:13:14	bookworm	I blame stupidity 
2024-05-30 23:13:18	nullstring	sure
2024-05-30 23:13:20	nullstring	same
2024-05-30 23:13:36	nullstring	it's a useful tool if you use it correctly. dangerous if you don't
2024-05-30 23:13:50	nullstring	just like.... a fuckton of things
2024-05-30 23:14:07	bookworm	yes. Number of people using it correctly in my vicinity happens to be approaching 0
2024-05-30 23:14:24	bookworm	Hammer? At least a few :P
2024-05-30 23:14:56	nullstring	well, that is a problem but...... that doesn't really mean I shouldn't use it :P
2024-05-30 23:15:07	demonicm1niac1	you can use it if you understand the matter already and just want boilerplate written you can skim to make sure no glaring errors
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2024-05-30 23:15:24	demonicm1niac1	you just can't use it if you want answers to things you don't know because those are mostly incorrect and you don't know they're incorrect
2024-05-30 23:15:47	bookworm	but frankly that means you already have the boiler plate available from other projects, so just use those or the better abstractions
2024-05-30 23:16:20	bookworm	because if you don't already have it available you can't judge it either so...
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2024-05-31 06:06:05	virtualsid	Edu4rdSHL: was that a... humble brag? :P
2024-05-31 06:09:29	Edu4rdSHL	_xRichard__, let me test, I can see if it works here but I think we can't really compare the results
2024-05-31 06:09:32	Edu4rdSHL	Maybe the stability
2024-05-31 06:10:10	Edu4rdSHL	virtualsid, it was more about the "a 950gt will play most AAA titles at refresh rates, not necessarily at max" comment. I would say that it may run AAA titles at low settings as much :p
2024-05-31 06:10:21	virtualsid	heh
2024-05-31 06:11:35	espresso	Actually, I was about to correct to something similar. Details matter!
2024-05-31 06:12:35	musungo	Is this a place I can ask for help with maintaining a package?
2024-05-31 06:12:42	musungo	Or do I need to be in the aur channel
2024-05-31 06:13:11	Edu4rdSHL	musungo, here's okay
2024-05-31 06:13:25	espresso	and accuracy! Also, join in and help abolish and stamp out excessive redundancy..
2024-05-31 06:13:30	musungo	Soo, I'm maintaining the shaderc-non-semantic-debug package and I've come up against a brick wall
2024-05-31 06:13:43	musungo	I've been trying unsucessfully all day to fix the patch. I got past all the malformed errors
2024-05-31 06:13:52	musungo	But I ended up coming acrossed linker hell in an unholy scope
2024-05-31 06:14:03	musungo	So, my question is. If I were going to change install folder layout, what'd be the preferred structure?
2024-05-31 06:14:10	musungo	Also keep in mind making this an entire package basically makes it possible for pcsx2-git to be tame and not have like a billion patches in of itself
2024-05-31 06:14:20	_xRichard__	Edu4rdSHL: i cant find the comment/solution on db. i will pick default for audio. but it was it already not worked tho. should i change fullscreen and 1920x1080 ? any other run commands ?
2024-05-31 06:15:22	Edu4rdSHL	_xRichard__, there are several options, you have to try each one and/or combine them, and see
2024-05-31 06:15:27	Edu4rdSHL	There's not "a solution"
2024-05-31 06:16:21	_xRichard__	Edu4rdSHL: oh man :/ each command on the db ?
2024-05-31 06:17:39	pushrad	does rEFInd support changing the boot logo?
2024-05-31 06:18:29	musungo	Also, I'm sorry if that question doesn't make perfect sense
2024-05-31 06:18:33	musungo	Brain melted
2024-05-31 07:30:41	quarters	hello. I was wondering how I can find the base nvidia drivers per https://github.com/korvahannu/arch-nvidia-drivers-installation-guide . I don't see entries for the ada-lovelace gpus
2024-05-31 07:33:25	quarters	it looks like just installing nvidia will do it
2024-05-31 07:33:42	quarters	I'll try rebooting since nvidia-smi doesn't provide proper stats
2024-05-31 07:35:15	quarters	I'm still getting this error: NVIDIA-SMI has failed because it couldn't communicate with the NVIDIA driver. Make sure that the latest NVIDIA driver is installed and running.
2024-05-31 07:35:49	quarters	even though my options line is setup like so: "options nvidia-drm.modeset=1 root=UUID=blablahblahblah rw
2024-05-31 07:35:52	quarters	"
2024-05-31 07:41:01	Edu4rdSHL	quarters, which kernel have you installed
2024-05-31 07:42:28	quarters	Edu4rdSHL, how would I check for that?
2024-05-31 07:42:45	quarters	I think mine is vanilla?
2024-05-31 07:42:49	Edu4rdSHL	How do you installed ArchLinux?
2024-05-31 07:42:55	Edu4rdSHL	You should know which kernel you have
2024-05-31 07:44:38	quarters	I followed the install guide while on autopilot so I didn't know different kernel options were available
2024-05-31 07:44:52	quarters	the one it recommends is linux, so I have vanilla installed
2024-05-31 07:45:07	quarters	not sure if there's a tool for checking for this
2024-05-31 07:45:20	quarters	which would be nice, but that's for another time...
2024-05-31 07:46:16	Edu4rdSHL	uname -a
2024-05-31 07:47:27	quarters	I'm seeing "Linux linux-install 6.9.2-arch1-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Sun, 26 May 2024 01:30:29 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux"
2024-05-31 07:48:25	Edu4rdSHL	So yeah, it's the "linux" package. Post the output of `pacman -Qs nvidia`
2024-05-31 07:48:30	Edu4rdSHL	!rs
2024-05-31 07:48:31	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2024-05-31 07:50:47	quarters	https://paste.rs/ChAlb
2024-05-31 07:51:50	Edu4rdSHL	You have the right packages installed. Can you post the output of `journalctl -b` ?
2024-05-31 07:58:50	quarters	https://paste.rs/IHPPj
2024-05-31 07:59:02	red_man	hi all
2024-05-31 07:59:33	Gnana_	Hey red
2024-05-31 07:59:39	Gnana_	How are you
2024-05-31 07:59:53	quarters	hello red_man 
2024-05-31 07:59:54	red_man	cool
2024-05-31 08:00:05	red_man	chillin
2024-05-31 08:00:12	Gnana_	Cool
2024-05-31 08:00:16	Gnana_	😎
2024-05-31 08:00:16	red_man	writing code 
2024-05-31 08:00:29	Gnana_	What language?
2024-05-31 08:00:33	red_man	c
2024-05-31 08:00:40	Edu4rdSHL	quarters, that's incomplete
2024-05-31 08:00:54	Gnana_	Ah nice .. what writting redman
2024-05-31 08:01:07	Edu4rdSHL	quarters, journalctl -b |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs 
2024-05-31 08:01:08	phrik	Title: Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-05-31 08:01:10	Gnana_	You writing redmN
2024-05-31 08:01:11	red_man	arrays
2024-05-31 08:01:32	red_man	learning this at the age of 64 lol
2024-05-31 08:01:36	Gnana_	Nice just starting in c or your a expert?
2024-05-31 08:01:46	red_man	noob
2024-05-31 08:02:02	Gnana_	I see
2024-05-31 08:02:06	red_man	its cool though
2024-05-31 08:02:39	Gnana_	Linux kernel creater also loves C.
2024-05-31 08:03:02	red_man	ive spent the better half of the 21st century and before working with computers
2024-05-31 08:03:33	red_man	someday 
2024-05-31 08:03:52	Gnana_	Linux is just awesome .. I like terminal and code .. anyway what editor you using to write code?
2024-05-31 08:04:16	quarters	https://paste.rs/uYvHX
2024-05-31 08:04:45	Edu4rdSHL	Again, incomplete, quarters 
2024-05-31 08:04:49	Edu4rdSHL	Run it as root
2024-05-31 08:04:52	Edu4rdSHL	Or sudo
2024-05-31 08:04:59	Edu4rdSHL	The journalctl command
2024-05-31 08:23:12	quarters	Edu4rdSHL, sorry. some details slip my mind. it just occurred to me when I was reviewing the log and you pointed that part out
2024-05-31 08:23:18	quarters	thanks anyway
2024-05-31 09:37:29	buhtz	Good morning folks. I am not an Arch user but upstream maintainer investigating an issue. One simple question is if my observation is correct: Arch does install cron or cronie but do not activate it (e.g. via systemctl enable cronie). So users can edit there crontab via "crontab -e" but without any effect. Am I right so far?
2024-05-31 09:39:23	mpan	buhtz: hello. Not using cron, but per[1] it is not enabled by default. Quickly looking at files in packages suggests the same. [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Cronie#Activation_and_autostart
2024-05-31 09:39:26	phrik	Title: cron - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-31 09:39:35	Antiz	buhtz: Arch does not install cronie on its base install. Users are expected to install it themselves if needed (unless it was pulled as a dependency of another installed package). Regarding the systemd service, Arch does not auto start/enable services after packages installation, so here as well, users are expected to start/enable services
2024-05-31 09:39:36	Antiz	themseleves
2024-05-31 09:46:13	buhtz	But does users know it? They think cron is there and running when "crontab -e" is working.
2024-05-31 09:46:57	buhtz	And wouldn't be the Arch package maintainer responsible to activate cron when his package is installed and it depends on a running(!) cron?
2024-05-31 09:47:11	Antiz	buhtz: Well, they are expected to know it at least... This is how Arch works and it is not specific to cronie
2024-05-31 09:47:35	mpan	buhtz: the user is expected to know, what they do. And it’s also documented in the wiki.
2024-05-31 09:48:07	mpan	In particular Arch in general don’t change system configuration (though in rare situations some services are automatically started) behind user’s back.
2024-05-31 09:48:22	Antiz	buhtz: "And wouldn't be the Arch package maintainer responsible to activate cron [...]" <-- Nop, Arch being a user centric and DIY distro, users are expected to handle this themselves. Once again, this is not specific to cronie. 
2024-05-31 09:48:49	mpan	buhtz: what is the problem you’re facing, as a maintainer investigating an issue?
2024-05-31 09:49:07	buhtz	I really respect the idea behind Arch. But the reality is ab it different. If users don't know they take burden on upstream maintainers.
2024-05-31 09:50:08	Antiz	buhtz: Well... sorry about that. You can legitimately answer them that this is the intended behavior I guess 
2024-05-31 09:50:10	buhtz	I really try to find out how to treat situations like this as an upstream maintainer. Users tell me the schedule feature of "Back In Time" is not working. So I invest time in diagnosis and also telling the users how execute some diagnosis command etc pp.
2024-05-31 09:50:33	mpan	buhtz: what is the problem you want to solve *as a maintainer investigating an issue*? Because the talk rolls dangerously close to the territory of arguing about what you think things should be in your own distro.
2024-05-31 09:50:50	mpan	And that is not going to be productive.
2024-05-31 09:51:34	mpan	buhtz: is the feature dependent on a cron being present in the system?
2024-05-31 09:51:50	buhtz	"about what you think things should be in your own distro" can you rephrase this please. I dont understand. I really try to learn and don't want to troll. To be true I am also a bit pissed, yes. But I try to come over it and handle the situation seriously.
2024-05-31 09:51:59	buhtz	mpan: Yes. Cron need to be run.
2024-05-31 09:53:12	⚡ 	buhtz added a FeatureRequest about a if-cron-run-check (https://github.com/bit-team/backintime/issues/1741)
2024-05-31 09:54:25	Antiz	buhtz: Ok so... A few things here
2024-05-31 09:54:30	mpan	buhtz: cron is not even installed in Arch as a part of the base system install. And is used by about 1/3 of the users in total.
2024-05-31 09:54:46	jelle	buhtz: third party repositories aren't added by default on Arch, not sure where you got that idea
2024-05-31 09:54:52	jelle	(nor the AUR)
2024-05-31 09:55:04	mpan	In other words: it’s not even expected to see cron on Arch. If there is cron, it means the user want to have cron. And they should install *and configure it*. 
2024-05-31 09:55:39	Antiz	buhtz: Garuda isn't Arch (despite being Arch based). We cannot know what they do or not compared to vanilla Arch.
2024-05-31 09:55:54	Antiz	AUR packages are not officially supported
2024-05-31 09:56:17	mpan	Well, this may be another distro, but I assume a similar situation may happen at some point with Arch.
2024-05-31 09:56:25	Antiz	And, as said earlier, Arch do not start systemd service automatically after packages installation (on purpose, and this is not specific to Cronie).
2024-05-31 09:56:44	Antiz	IMO the user is to blame on that part. They should be aware of this 🤷
2024-05-31 09:57:14	buhtz	Antiz: I know this about AUR. That is the next problem (on my side). Users don't know it. They install applications from AUR which are often not good maintained. And in the end users coming to me as upstream and I have to figuring out.
2024-05-31 09:57:20	Antiz	buhtz: I get why you're pissed because of the time you spent on this, but with the context we have it's neither your fault nor Arch's fault ^^
2024-05-31 09:57:27	mpan	So simply send users back: it’s not your fault and not a problem with your software. You may of course make a nice gesture and test for some implementation of cron running, but this is not something they should demand from you.
2024-05-31 09:57:48	mpan	If they use Arch Linux, simply send them back to this channel or the Arch forum.
2024-05-31 09:58:09	mpan	(if another distro, including other “arch-based” distros, send them to that distro’s channel)
2024-05-31 09:58:10	Antiz	buhtz: Well, I get that. But once again, it's neither your fault nor Arch's. Not sure what we can do about this apart telling them to read documentation/wiki properly? ^^ 
2024-05-31 09:58:26	buhtz	"send users back": Where should I send them? There is not official Arch-package-maintainer for my application. On a Debian based distro I have one I can send them, too. He is "official" not matter that he is also lazy and unresponsive. ;)
2024-05-31 09:58:42	mpan	buhtz: to the support channels (the forum, this #archlinux channel).
2024-05-31 09:59:08	mpan	They need help with configuring their system. This is what support channels are for. It’s not responsibility to help them with using some distribution.
2024-05-31 09:59:09	buhtz	btw: How can I edit tha arch wiki? The Back In Time article is out-dated, buggy and could be improved.
2024-05-31 09:59:18	mpan	buhtz: register, edit.
2024-05-31 09:59:59	mpan	Just remember to test, if it actually works on Arch (on the Arch, not “arch-based” distro). Contributions from everybody are valued, but the wiki is meant to be useful on Arch.
2024-05-31 10:00:34	Antiz	buhtz: Well, there's a maintainer for the AUR package you can redirect someone to. But regardless, even if there was an official Arch package maintainer for your package, the "auto start cronie after install" request wouldn't be accepted. This is just not how Arch works.
2024-05-31 10:01:06	mpan	I don’t think AUR PKGBUILD maintainer is responsible for helping people configure their systems too. Though they may add a pinned note, that cron has to be enabled.
2024-05-31 10:01:20	buhtz	The wiki registration is limited to Arch users. I am not able to execute "LC_ALL=C pacman -V|sed -r "s#[0-9]+#$(date -u +%m)#g"|base32|head -1" and posting the output
2024-05-31 10:01:27	mpan	buhtz: a second
2024-05-31 10:01:37	mpan	buhtz: well, you need a working Arch system to test if it works.
2024-05-31 10:01:56	Edu4rdSHL	Then why do you want to edit the ArchWiki if you don't even have ArchLinux?
2024-05-31 10:02:04	mpan	Edu4rdSHL: being helpful? :)
2024-05-31 10:02:17	buhtz	because I can send my users (if they use arch or arch-based distro) to this page
2024-05-31 10:02:20	mpan	Edu4rdSHL: I already poted the obligatory note about using Arch, to be clear.
2024-05-31 10:02:28	buhtz	but currently the article is useless and wont help
2024-05-31 10:02:29	Edu4rdSHL	I mean... as you said, you can't even test that when you wrote works on Arch
2024-05-31 10:02:44	jelle	Edu4rdSHL: by being the authority?
2024-05-31 10:03:26	Edu4rdSHL	jelle, eeh
2024-05-31 10:04:05	Edu4rdSHL	Still, how can you make sure that what you're writing works on Arch if you can't even do a single test?
2024-05-31 10:04:26	Edu4rdSHL	Doesn't that misses completely the point of writing something on the ArchWiki?
2024-05-31 10:05:20	Antiz	I mean... Not every informations have to be arch specific. buhtz being upstream, I have no doubt they have some useful info to provide
2024-05-31 10:05:25	mpan	Edu4rdSHL: it has been said already.
2024-05-31 10:05:54	Antiz	If it's to provide general info about the software itself (or the way it works), I see no harm
2024-05-31 10:06:04	Antiz	And our great wiki admins are watching anyway :D
2024-05-31 10:06:10	Edu4rdSHL	Antiz, I'm not doubting that, pretty sure he knows that better than anyone else, but still
2024-05-31 10:06:30	mpan	But buhtz was already told that. Thre is no need to repeat it to them for 5th time.
2024-05-31 10:06:56	mpan	buhtz: what kind of information would you like to put in the wiki?
2024-05-31 10:09:05	jelle	guys this is not a trial or right of passage :)
2024-05-31 10:14:00	Earnestly	buhtz: (Fwiw, you can't rely on Arch anymore when it comes to not explicitly enabling services on install, and some distros do this as matter of policy, so design accordingly.)
2024-05-31 10:15:49	Earnestly	buhtz: You also can't really use ps/grep in a script reliably. If you must do that, pgrep will serve better. But ideally you should query the supervisor for what services are enabled
2024-05-31 10:16:52	buhtz	Thank you guys. I will inform you if the article is ready for review. I am not sure if I "knows that better than anyone else". Behing upstream maintainer doesn't mean being the founder. Back In Time is ~15 yerars old and I am maintainer in the 3rd generation. The code is very smelly, nearly untests (no real/stric unittests, but only integration and system tests), so I have to do a lot of
2024-05-31 10:16:52	buhtz	reasearch about foreign code.
2024-05-31 10:17:05	Earnestly	And it might also be worth using systemd timers for systems that use systemd which allow you to query these things explicitly
2024-05-31 10:18:12	Earnestly	buhtz: (As a joking, just change the README to: use borg instead (or restic))
2024-05-31 10:19:11	buhtz	Earnestly: What is the diff between "ps/grep" and "pgrep". The latter is not installed by default (on Debian) so it would add a new dependency. I am open to discuss this but it might be better use the Issue tracker for that.
2024-05-31 10:19:45	buhtz	Using systemd timers would add extra complexity to the code because I have to support two systems: with systemd and without systemd.
2024-05-31 10:20:06	Earnestly	buhtz: pgrep is part of procps-ng on linux, which also includes utilities like top. Very strange for Debian to not include them as they're available virtually everywhere from HP-UX to Solaris
2024-05-31 10:20:45	buhtz	available it is my dear friend but not installed by default
2024-05-31 10:21:05	Earnestly	buhtz: But as a rule you shouldn't rely on PIDs that aren't your immediate children in a programmatic context, this is why it's much better to ask a supervisor, which can reliably know this information
2024-05-31 10:21:14	buhtz	again: What would "pgrep" catch what "ps | grep" wont?
2024-05-31 10:21:30	buhtz	please define the term "supervisor" in this context
2024-05-31 10:21:41	Earnestly	buhtz: It doesn't need to encode output over a pipe as newline separated input to a program that knows nothing about processes
2024-05-31 10:22:22	Earnestly	buhtz: A supervisor like runsv, systemd, etc. A process that runs a service as its child which exposes some form of control IPC to manage the service's state
2024-05-31 10:22:28	buhtz	"ps -eo comm" just lists the names of running processes
2024-05-31 10:23:05	buhtz	supervisor: to complex I need to figuring out which supervisor runs. IMHO "ps | grep" is more general and works on nearly every system.
2024-05-31 10:25:01	BrainDamage	Earnestly: do you have an example wrt auto-enabling services on install on arch, or is that dbus activation?
2024-05-31 10:28:09	Earnestly	BrainDamage: Plenty will create the links manually in package(), some with justification, others you decide: find /usr/lib/systemd -path '*wants/*' -type l -exec pacman -Qo {} +
2024-05-31 10:29:23	BrainDamage	oh, the wants mechanism
2024-05-31 10:30:52	BrainDamage	that's a bit different from auto-activation tho, that's more like dependency dragging, you'd still need a service that tries to drag  that in to be activated
2024-05-31 10:30:56	Earnestly	BrainDamage: Yeah, the problem is explicit linking in package() rather than using systemd.preset
2024-05-31 10:31:04	Earnestly	imo
2024-05-31 10:32:11	BrainDamage	mmm, makes sense wrt using preset
2024-05-31 10:33:42	Earnestly	A bit like setting UID/GID via tmpfiles.d is better than hardcoding UID numbers in filesystem /etc/passwd and then installing files via package() with those UIDs hoping that they match up once installed
2024-05-31 10:33:51	Earnestly	Which is how it used to be
2024-05-31 10:34:29	Earnestly	If you remember there used to be scriptlets that would manage /etc/group and such using gpasswd to add groups
2024-05-31 10:43:44	Earnestly	BrainDamage: Anyway, the reason for installing presets to /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-preset so that maintainers can auto-enable services is that it provides a frictionless way for local admins to override via /etc
2024-05-31 10:44:14	Ghosthree3	is there a way to 'clean' dkms up so it stops trying to remove modules from kernels long, long gone
2024-05-31 10:44:34	Ghosthree3	just got 40 versions of `depmod: ERROR: could not open directory` when updating, benign, but silly
2024-05-31 10:45:38	Earnestly	Ghosthree3: dkms remove ?
2024-05-31 10:47:07	Earnestly	Hmm
2024-05-31 10:47:44	Earnestly	The alpm hook for dkms should deal with this
2024-05-31 10:54:48	Ghosthree3	Earnestly: i lost it in the terminal, but here from pacman.log, https://0x0.st/XN6c.txt
2024-05-31 10:54:54	Ghosthree3	this happens with all dkms packages, not just this one
2024-05-31 10:54:58	Ghosthree3	and has for years
2024-05-31 11:00:11	Earnestly	Ghosthree3: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/dkms/-/blob/main/hook.sh?ref_type=heads#L149 (and above)
2024-05-31 11:00:12	phrik	Title: hook.sh · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / dkms · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-31 11:00:31	Earnestly	Ghosthree3: Sorry https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/dkms/-/blob/main/hook.sh?ref_type=heads#L183
2024-05-31 11:00:32	phrik	Title: hook.sh · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / dkms · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-31 11:00:44	Earnestly	Well both
2024-05-31 11:01:23	Ghosthree3	yea i dont know why it's running for all those kernels that dont exist though, why is dkms leaving old installations around?
2024-05-31 11:02:27	Ghosthree3	like, `ls /var/lib/dkms/v4l2loopback | wc -l` | 168
2024-05-31 11:02:31	Earnestly	Ghosthree3: It's pulling that information from `dkms status -k ...'
2024-05-31 11:02:36	Ghosthree3	has symlinks going back to kernel 6.1
2024-05-31 11:02:45	Earnestly	Or without -k
2024-05-31 11:02:46	Ghosthree3	but why are they never cleaned
2024-05-31 11:02:50	Earnestly	Ghosthree3: Are they broken symlinks?
2024-05-31 11:02:54	Ghosthree3	nope
2024-05-31 11:03:03	Earnestly	Then what do they point to?
2024-05-31 11:04:09	Ghosthree3	Earnestly: https://0x0.st/XN6a.txt
2024-05-31 11:04:24	Ghosthree3	all valid links, idk why these old versions, of both the module and kernel, exist apparently
2024-05-31 11:04:40	Ghosthree3	its like dkms remove actually doesnt work
2024-05-31 11:06:05	Earnestly	Ghosthree3: Just to make sure, this returns true? [ -h kernel-6.6.21-1-lts-x86_64 ] && [ -e kernel-6.6.21-1-lts-x86_64 ]
2024-05-31 11:06:47	Earnestly	And does `dkms status' list all of these versions?
2024-05-31 11:07:24	Ghosthree3	uh, run from where, from inside /var/lib/dkms/v4l2loopback? if so, yes, it's true
2024-05-31 11:07:40	Ghosthree3	dkms status gives `Error! Could not locate dkms.conf file.`
2024-05-31 11:08:10	Earnestly	That might be why this is not working to clean things up
2024-05-31 11:08:28	Ghosthree3	well, i always assumed dkms worked out of the box. and as far as installing and using things, it does
2024-05-31 11:08:35	Earnestly	Hm
2024-05-31 11:08:43	Ghosthree3	do i actually need to configure a dkms.conf just so it cleans up its mess?
2024-05-31 11:08:57	Earnestly	Ghosthree3: What about `dkms status v4l2loopback' ?
2024-05-31 11:09:30	Ghosthree3	Error! Could not locate dkms.conf file.
2024-05-31 11:09:32	Ghosthree3	File: /var/lib/dkms/v4l2loopback/0.12.7/source/dkms.conf does not exist.
2024-05-31 11:11:13	Earnestly	Yeah, 0.12.7 is much older than the latest
2024-05-31 11:11:21	Komb0sIRC	hi all 
2024-05-31 11:11:49	Komb0sIRC	may i ask for a suggestion?
2024-05-31 11:11:59	Earnestly	Ghosthree3: Try removing the old version directories, leave the latest, and see what happens
2024-05-31 11:12:08	Komb0sIRC	I'm looking for a good wayland rdp client for arch+sway
2024-05-31 11:12:11	Ghosthree3	Earnestly: i think it just returns the first error and stops, when i ran dkms status with no args it showed a similar error for another module
2024-05-31 11:12:33	Ghosthree3	Earnestly: i believe i did that a couple of years ago and it's fine, but yea they build up again. would just like to know why they dont get removed tbh
2024-05-31 11:13:19	Earnestly	Ghosthree3: Well the main thing to find out is why dkms status is selecting the older version unless it's just lexicographically picking it from that directory and bailing
2024-05-31 11:13:24	Ghosthree3	yea the 0.12.7/source and 0.13.1/source links are broken, the one in 0.13.2 is still valid
2024-05-31 11:13:39	Ghosthree3	Earnestly: i believe so
2024-05-31 11:13:50	Earnestly	Hm, if they are broken you can at least use that as a sentinel for a cleanup script to prune things out as a temp bodge
2024-05-31 11:13:50	Ghosthree3	ill just remove all my dkms packages and nuke the entire directory then reinstall them tbh
2024-05-31 11:14:28	Ghosthree3	surely someone else experiences this though, this is just a normal installation, ive never touched dkms outside of installing -dkms packages
2024-05-31 11:14:31	Earnestly	I.e. for file ...; do if [ -h "$file" ] && ! [ -e "$file" ]; then rm -f -- "$file"; fi; done
2024-05-31 11:14:40	Earnestly	Yeah, that would be a bodge, this seems broken
2024-05-31 11:15:14	Earnestly	Ghosthree3: Use strace to see perhaps how dkms status is finding the old version
2024-05-31 11:15:26	Ghosthree3	yea uninstalling the v4l2 dkms package removed the 0.13.2 dir but not the older ones
2024-05-31 11:15:59	Ghosthree3	maybe because of the dead link, like it installs and moves the link destination before trying to remove them then the remove fails as a result
2024-05-31 11:16:29	Earnestly	Ghosthree3: It may also be that the script/hook was broken for awhile and didn't cleanup as it does now
2024-05-31 11:17:03	Ghosthree3	well, i uninstalled every dkms package, deleted everything inside /var/lib/dkms except the mok.* files, and am reinstalling. we'll see how it goes i guess, but i dont have high hopes
2024-05-31 11:17:26	Earnestly	I did find some info about there being a "typo" in the hook script for awhile in 2021
2024-05-31 11:20:35	buhtz	Read to review and thank sin advance: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Back_In_Time
2024-05-31 11:20:37	phrik	Title: Back In Time - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-31 11:21:16	Ghosthree3	well, dkms status returns actually useful information now, no error about dkms.conf at all
2024-05-31 11:21:22	Ghosthree3	maybe that will fix it
2024-05-31 11:22:15	Earnestly	buhtz: Don't worry about the wiki, just add what you want. It'll eventually get pruned and faffed with by others, maybe
2024-05-31 11:23:26	Ghosthree3	on that note, someone does need to upgrade the encryption wiki and point out that dracut now DOES need additional setup/modules now. rip all those bricked machines from 2 days ago
2024-05-31 11:23:41	jelle	buhtz: productive => production
2024-05-31 11:35:33	exposed	hello all :) i'm having some trouble installing arch with archinstall
2024-05-31 11:36:14	exposed	I get errors about missing firmware, and on reboot the motherboard's ethernet NICs dont have drivers it seems
2024-05-31 11:36:28	exposed	So i can't pacman anything to add them haha
2024-05-31 11:37:08	exposed	I also don't have network.services and a bunch of other "unit modules" whatever those are. The installer can see the network but on reboot it can't even see the hardware
2024-05-31 11:39:00	exposed	I'm willing to start from scratch, pastebin the install config text, whatever :)
2024-05-31 11:42:19	tryh4rd	hi
2024-05-31 11:42:40	gromit	!give tryh4rd welcomerpg
2024-05-31 11:42:41	phrik	tryh4rd: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2024-05-31 11:43:06	tryh4rd	uh i installed arch on my mac a couple months ago, just wouldn't boot, so i used the livecd. i can't get internet because it's a mac
2024-05-31 11:43:14	Gnana	https://i.imgur.com/oDjBsIS.png
2024-05-31 11:43:29	tryh4rd	the thing is, vmlinuz and initrd doesn't exist in /boot
2024-05-31 11:43:38	tryh4rd	i use grub
2024-05-31 11:43:46	tryh4rd	worked a week ago
2024-05-31 11:45:14	tryh4rd	it looked like this: https://tryhardpickles.github.io/cdn/creator-assets/desktop.png
2024-05-31 11:45:47	tryh4rd	i removed conkey though
2024-05-31 11:45:53	tryh4rd	it looked horrible
2024-05-31 11:46:31	tryh4rd	no ethernet cable so no internet
2024-05-31 11:46:41	tryh4rd	gotta wait until the new live cd comes out
2024-05-31 11:46:50	tryh4rd	then it might just work
2024-05-31 11:47:26	tryh4rd	oh well. i'll be waiting for any answers
2024-05-31 11:48:58	tryh4rd	kernel is 6.9.1 btw
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2024-05-31 12:39:41	glitsj16	tryh4rd: Wireless networking is preconfigured and enabled by default on the install image, but _not_ after; so you'll have to follow the wiki for that.
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2024-05-31 12:42:42	glitsj16	NetSysFire: Hello. No I haven't seen them anymore since.
2024-05-31 12:43:05	glitsj16	I still remember it though.
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2024-05-31 12:44:18	tryh4rd	hi uh i have a macbookpro so i need to use broadcom-wl, but i don't have it installed on the live cd, so it doesn't work. i need ethernet, but idk what to do! i lost the ethernet to thunderbolt dongle so i am screwed
2024-05-31 12:44:59	glitsj16	NetSysFire: Will check that out. Always relevant info, just in case it strikes...
2024-05-31 12:47:15	glitsj16	NetSysFire: yes I got parts of that discussion on the channel here
2024-05-31 12:47:46	glitsj16	interesting yet rather differing opinions on how to deal with it iirc
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2024-05-31 12:49:20	glitsj16	tryh4rd: catch-22, that's unfortunate
2024-05-31 12:49:30	tryh4rd	:/
2024-05-31 12:49:42	tryh4rd	i have wl on the main drive though
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2024-05-31 12:49:47	tryh4rd	so gotta wwait
2024-05-31 12:49:50	tryh4rd	until tomorrow
2024-05-31 12:49:55	tryh4rd	or until the new live cd
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2024-05-31 13:13:54	glitsj16	NetSysFire: about pacman-static... Edu4rdSHL mentioned something important if memory serves; had to do with installing the 'real' pacman via pacman-static before anything else, but I don't have access to that part of the local memory banks... you might have to ping them about those specifics if you deem it's relevant to add to the wiki
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2024-05-31 13:20:20	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-31 13:31:21	buhtz	My (simple) modifications of the wiki page "Back In Time" are undone pointing to the wiki rules. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Back_In_Time&diff=next&oldid=809791
2024-05-31 13:31:23	phrik	Title: Back In Time: Difference between revisions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-31 13:31:46	buhtz	They are IMHO not complex. And the admin better accept a wrong wiki page instead of a fixed one just because of "rules"?
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2024-05-31 13:32:06	gromit	buhtz: you can discuss with the wiki people in #archlinux-wiki
2024-05-31 13:32:35	mpan	buhtz: I would just turn it into smaller edits, separated by actual topics edited.
2024-05-31 13:32:51	mpan	I believe this is just a technicality, not an issue with contents.
2024-05-31 13:33:12	buhtz	The same for "Cron", without comments, where I added just one sentence. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Cron&diff=next&oldid=809787
2024-05-31 13:34:46	phrik	Title: Cron: Difference between revisions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-31 13:34:50	mpan	In the cron case it’s redundant. There is no need to repeat information on how to use systemctl on each page that deals with using systemd.
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2024-05-31 13:35:23	mpan	In particular a sentence earlier there is a link to that information.
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2024-05-31 13:39:28	buhtz	mpan: But the subject heading indicates content about "activation" but the paragraph misses it. A link is not an explanation.
2024-05-31 13:40:13	Antiz	buhtz: It's how the Arch wiki works, if something it's already explained in a specific page, than link to that page instead of re-explaining the thing.
2024-05-31 13:41:13	Antiz	Also, that's beyond the point but, systemctl enable cronie wouldn't **start** the service on it's own until you reboot the system ^^ You would need to actually start it as well or use `systemctl enable --now cronie` to both enable and start it immediatly.
2024-05-31 13:41:24	mpan	buhtz: the linked page has a table, that has “enable” section. And that is after that the user is expected to already know, how to use systemd or be able to find that out.
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2024-05-31 13:43:24	mpan	buhtz: that’s how Arch Wiki works. It doesn’t repeat everything everywhere, and there are assumptions about knowing the basics. These basics are also mostly explained in relevant pages.
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2024-05-31 13:46:09	Antiz	Yeah basically you should either split your edits in smaller bits or put your reworked page in the discussion tab instead first (so it can be properly discussed/reviewed before being "commited" to the actual page).
2024-05-31 13:46:14	buhtz	Antiz: As scientist I am a heavy ZEttelkasten user. So I know the principals you referring to. But in this example it does not work.
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2024-05-31 15:32:14	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-31 13:48:00	Antiz	buhtz: Sorry I did not catch what you mean (or what does not work in my example).
2024-05-31 13:52:33	Antiz	But anyway, my advice would either be to split edits in smaller bits or put the reworked page in the discussion tab first (so it can be reviewed/discussed first). As for the "systemctl enable" part, as mpan said, this is basic info users are either expected to know already or are expected to find in the related "systemd" wiki page. We don't repeat
2024-05-31 13:52:33	Antiz	that part in every wiki page of services that needs to be enabled/started.
2024-05-31 13:53:41	Antiz	s/needs/need
2024-05-31 14:30:20	cloudowind	as human i use archlinux alot , basically everyday 
2024-05-31 14:30:41	gromit	cloudowind: thats something a robot would say 🤖🤖
2024-05-31 14:31:01	BrainDamage	!alot
2024-05-31 14:31:01	phrik	http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
2024-05-31 14:31:48	Foxboron	Oh
2024-05-31 14:31:53	BrainDamage	I have somewhere an arch alot shopped
2024-05-31 14:31:56	Foxboron	I should get a tattoo of an alot
2024-05-31 14:32:03	Foxboron	then I can say I have a "alot of tattoos"
2024-05-31 14:32:26	cloudowind	ow i realised i havent rebooted to 6.9.2 yet , updated yesterday brb
2024-05-31 14:32:42	bswartz	I'm sorry, but as a large AI language model, I cannot get tattoos
2024-05-31 14:48:40	Ena0	Hey someone in here some time ago told me not to use ls together with grep or cat together with grep. Like: "cat file | grep stuff" What was the reason again?
2024-05-31 14:49:19	The-Compiler	Ena0: just do "grep stuff file"
2024-05-31 14:49:41	The-Compiler	good old https://porkmail.org/era/unix/award
2024-05-31 14:49:42	phrik	Title: Useless Use of Cat Award (at porkmail.org)
2024-05-31 14:49:58	Ena0	The-Compiler: Right good point xd
2024-05-31 14:50:08	The-Compiler	as for 'ls', that can actually turn out to be buggy if special chars in filenames are involved
2024-05-31 14:50:09	MacGyver	I want another category for dd.
2024-05-31 14:50:28	Ena0	The-Compiler: And what was the reason for not doing "ls dir | grep NameOfFile"?
2024-05-31 14:50:35	The-Compiler	for human consumption it's probably fine, but I'd argue never use ls in scripts at all
2024-05-31 14:51:06	The-Compiler	but eh, you might as well just do `ls *NameOfFile*`
2024-05-31 14:52:25	Ena0	The-Compiler: Right sry my bad :)
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2024-05-31 15:36:17	Alison40	Hi, I'm having a problem with KMS
2024-05-31 15:36:42	Alison40	I have added a default EDID file to my grub.cfg file
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2024-05-31 15:37:09	Alison40	and every time i have booted my system before today it has loaded correctly 
2024-05-31 15:37:47	Alison40	i did a large system update recently and it seems to not be loading now
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2024-05-31 15:38:48	Alison40	and the OS is (or at least seems to be) using the EDID data supplied by the monitor, which is incorrect
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2024-05-31 15:41:26	Alison40	the specific kernel setting i am using is drm.edid_firmware=edid/1920x1080.bin
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2024-05-31 15:42:04	Alison40	this agrees with the syntax given on the "kernel mode setting" page of arch wiki
2024-05-31 16:00:22	Namarrgon	Alison40: Does it still work with the lts kernel?
2024-05-31 16:00:23	jdarnley	Jeez.  The responsiveness of plasma's volume control just gets worse and worse.  I have no idea who's fault it is.
2024-05-31 16:00:52	Namarrgon	There was some change regarding EDID in one of the last major kernel updates but i wasn't paying attention to the topic...
2024-05-31 16:01:56	Alison40	i don't have a linux-lts install
2024-05-31 16:02:16	Alison40	I'll try downloading it
2024-05-31 16:02:43	Alison40	Namarrgon: they did change the syntax in 4.13 but I've already updated it for that
2024-05-31 16:03:31	Namarrgon	linux 4.13?
2024-05-31 16:04:11	Alison40	yes iirc
2024-05-31 16:04:15	Namarrgon	I meant "major" as in 6.9 or 6.8.
2024-05-31 16:05:11	Alison40	i see
2024-05-31 16:05:34	Namarrgon	For 4.13 you need to consult a paleontologist, not linux support.
2024-05-31 16:05:35	Alison40	oh not linux 4.13
2024-05-31 16:05:46	Alison40	it was recent
2024-05-31 16:06:08	Alison40	the wiki says "kernel 4.13"
2024-05-31 16:06:50	jelle	which wiki?
2024-05-31 16:07:01	Alison40	arch wiki
2024-05-31 16:07:10	Alison40	on the kms page
2024-05-31 16:07:45	Namarrgon	That part can probably be dropped now
2024-05-31 16:08:07	Alison40	i had to change it relatively recently 
2024-05-31 16:08:15	Alison40	to the newer syntax 
2024-05-31 16:08:30	MacGyver	Damn it I wanted to grab that.
2024-05-31 16:08:37	MacGyver	(The paleontologist comment)
2024-05-31 16:10:04	Namarrgon	https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=89ac522d4507126d353834973ddbbf7b6acfdeef
2024-05-31 16:10:05	phrik	Title: drm/edid/firmware: Remove built-in EDIDs - kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree (at git.kernel.org)
2024-05-31 16:10:16	Namarrgon	But that seems unrelated to your problem.
2024-05-31 16:10:31	Namarrgon	Though the wiki now needs to be corrected.
2024-05-31 16:11:03	Alison40	oh they're just gone 
2024-05-31 16:11:07	Alison40	?
2024-05-31 16:11:25	Alison40	though the files still should be there on my pc 
2024-05-31 16:11:39	Namarrgon	The built-in ones. If you supply your own then that change shouldn't impact you.
2024-05-31 16:12:49	Namarrgon	oh, wait, you were using the built-in one...
2024-05-31 16:12:50	Alison40	i was using a builtin
2024-05-31 16:13:03	Namarrgon	Yeah, then that totally did impact you.
2024-05-31 16:13:14	Alison40	i actually cannot find /usr/lib/firmware/edid
2024-05-31 16:13:21	Alison40	hm
2024-05-31 16:13:24	Namarrgon	They were built into the kernel
2024-05-31 16:13:28	Alison40	oh
2024-05-31 16:13:29	Alison40	i see
2024-05-31 16:13:45	Alison40	do you know if there's like
2024-05-31 16:14:04	Alison40	a place i can redownload 
2024-05-31 16:16:12	Namarrgon	The source is linked in the above diff
2024-05-31 16:16:36	Alison40	ok thanks
2024-05-31 16:17:03	Namarrgon	You can also extract the edid from your display and correct that instead.
2024-05-31 16:25:14	Alison40	I'll try that
2024-05-31 16:25:36	auditor	hello everyone
2024-05-31 16:28:23	auditor	I'm trying my best to learn how to create a PKGBUILD.  I am trying to build one that will automatically download the latest appimage from landrop.io, download the icon from the github repo, and create a desktop file for it and place it in the right location.    Internet searches and GPT have gotten me pretty far but I'm still getting errors.  anyone knowledgable able to take a look at a PKGBUILD
2024-05-31 16:28:23	auditor	and tell me what I'm doing wrong?
2024-05-31 16:30:48	wallun	auditor: go ahead
2024-05-31 16:30:53	auditor	!paste https://pastebin.com/rM2T8MKa
2024-05-31 16:30:54	phrik	auditor: No idea
2024-05-31 16:30:54	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XNlE.txt
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2024-05-31 16:31:35	auditor	the error i get states that the desktop file doesnt exist, but thats what I'm trying to create as part of this
2024-05-31 16:31:44	auditor	so its getting to line 39
2024-05-31 16:31:57	BrainDamage	you cannot echo multiline like that
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2024-05-31 16:32:35	gromit	auditor: also you'll need to create the target folder first 
2024-05-31 16:32:41	BrainDamage	either do one echo per line, use a heredoc, or just write it to a file and add it to the sources
2024-05-31 16:33:16	auditor	how do people maintain pkgbuilds for applicatoins that don't belong to them?  especially an appimage wrap?
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2024-05-31 16:33:44	auditor	If I end up maintaining this I don't want to host anything I want it to create what it needs through resources that exist if possible
2024-05-31 16:33:52	auditor	think thats possible?
2024-05-31 16:33:57	BrainDamage	you don't have to
2024-05-31 16:34:04	BrainDamage	add the file along the pkbuild
2024-05-31 16:34:16	BrainDamage	and then add the filename in the source array
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2024-05-31 16:34:52	auditor	ah ok I didn't realize that is possible ok ok...thanks let me explore these tips and see where I get
2024-05-31 16:34:56	auditor	thank you all!
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2024-05-31 16:38:50	Namarrgon	There's a lost "icon=app.png" line at the top and you don't seem install the icon.
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2024-05-31 16:39:23	Namarrgon	Is that license correct?
2024-05-31 16:39:41	auditor	probably not, this is just me testing right now..if i can get the thing to work I'll make it right
2024-05-31 16:40:20	auditor	good catch on the icon, didnt tell it to download it
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2024-05-31 16:40:54	auditor	this is just a template that gpt generated for me that i've been playing with so i'll fix licensing and clean it up when i get it actually working locally
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2024-05-31 16:41:53	BrainDamage	you're also incorrectly addressing the icon in the desktop file
2024-05-31 16:42:02	BrainDamage	it should be the dest path, not the source path
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2024-05-31 16:43:00	auditor	so {pkgdir} int his case right?
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2024-05-31 16:43:16	Alison40	I'm somewhat lost as to how to make a correct edid file/correct my monitor's existing edid file
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2024-05-31 16:44:33	BrainDamage	no, pkgdir should be only used as prefix when moving files to the destination
2024-05-31 16:45:05	BrainDamage	it should be an absolute path in the filesystem, without pkgdir, or, if the icon is installed in a conventional location, a bare name
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2024-05-31 16:47:09	Alison40	there are so many really old articles and stuff linked by arch wiki
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2024-05-31 16:50:09	Namarrgon	Alison40: wxedit works for my meager needs.
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2024-05-31 16:50:49	Alison40	I'll check it out 
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2024-05-31 16:52:36	phrik	Gnana: Is that a question?
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2024-05-31 17:12:31	Ena0	How do I make grep cut off the line and don't add a new line when line meets right terminal end?
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2024-05-31 17:22:05	yitz	Ena0: grep doesn't know about your terminal size. `less` might be able to do that. Or use `sed` and cut at $COLUMNS
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2024-05-31 17:24:01	Ena0	yitz: Does 'cut' do it as well? Or do I need to use sed?
2024-05-31 17:24:49	yitz	Ena0: cut takes a delimiter. I don't know if it supports -d '' or not
2024-05-31 17:24:51	Ena0	I just want to grep the output like 'ps' does. I just cuts off the command line whenever its too long so it's formatted nicely
2024-05-31 17:24:51	yitz	See man cut
2024-05-31 17:25:10	Ena0	when I use grep it adds a new line when the command line is too big
2024-05-31 17:25:17	yitz	I understand
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2024-05-31 17:29:03	Ena0	yitz: Thanks! I didn't know someting like $COLUMNS existed :D Very useful haha
2024-05-31 17:29:10	Ena0	something *
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2024-05-31 17:31:43	buhtz	re
2024-05-31 17:32:18	gromit	cut can for example do cut -c-20 which means everything after the 20th char cutoff
2024-05-31 17:32:26	gromit	buhtz: 👋
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2024-05-31 17:33:40	buhtz	I did research but couldn't find an answer. Where to locate a global flock file accessiable by multiple (all) users on an Arch-based system? /run/lock won't work because the permissions are "drwxr-xr-x" instead of "drwxrwxrwx" (which it would be on Debian)
2024-05-31 17:33:43	Ena0	gromit: Yes just read about it thx!!
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2024-05-31 17:34:13	Edu4rdSHL	buhtz,what's the use-case
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2024-05-31 17:34:19	Edu4rdSHL	Or what are you trying to do
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2024-05-31 17:35:52	buhtz	"Back In Time" is a backup application also able to run as root to backup root files. It can started automatic (via cron) and manuall by the user. In the end there is a high chance that multiple instances from severial users (including root) running at the same time. This is still implemented.
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2024-05-31 17:37:43	buhtz	In the past /tmp was used for that global-multi-user-flock. Some weeks ago I switched to /run/lock (seems to be recommended) which worked well on Debian. But now I have Arch-users telling me that it does not work o their system because of the permission problem. So I think there is another recommendation for such files on Arch-systems?
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2024-05-31 17:41:14	MacGyver	flock doesn't require write permissions on the encapsulating directory, does it, as long as you ensure that the file exists in the first place?
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2024-05-31 17:42:53	MacGyver	Or, ensure /run/bit exists and has the global write permissions.
2024-05-31 17:43:06	MacGyver	Making sure that exists could be made part of the boot process of the system.
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2024-05-31 17:46:34	buhtz	I do need write permissions to create the flock file on its first use. If the user (not root) is the first user then on Arch I got an error because user is allowed to read but not to write in that folder.
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2024-05-31 17:48:51	buhtz	MacGyver: It is not /run/bit but /run/lock/backintime.flock
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2024-05-31 17:50:35	MacGyver	buhtz: Then make sure /run/lock/bit/ exists where you set those permissions, or make sure the file itself exists.
2024-05-31 17:50:41	Alison40	Namarrgon: Everything is working properly now - thanks for the help!
2024-05-31 17:50:48	Alison40	!next
2024-05-31 17:50:48	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2024-05-31 17:53:06	auditor	well I got my PKGBUILD to download everything and put them into directories of a pkg folder it creates  but I can't figure out how to move the desktop file to the /usr/share/applications folder, the icon to /usr/share/icons/hicolor/apps folder and the actually appimage to the /opt/AppImages folder and link the desktop file to them. progress is being made though, it did not fail!
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2024-05-31 17:54:05	buhtz	MacGyver: To my research this seems impossible without being root.
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2024-05-31 17:54:50	MacGyver	buhtz: Yes, but you can make root do it during boot.
2024-05-31 17:55:17	MacGyver	buhtz: If you cannot guarantee root is the first one running it, you can guarantee root sets it up at system boot.
2024-05-31 17:55:35	buhtz	MacGyver: Is an AUR package maintainer able to add a modification like this to an AUR package?
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2024-05-31 18:14:15	BrainDamage	auditor: paste your work
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2024-05-31 18:17:05	auditor	@BrainDamage you know I'm a N00b right?  well it succeeded and created the tar.zst file.  makepkg is not the samething as installing the package lol
2024-05-31 18:17:28	auditor	I had it in my head that once I did makepkg that it should be installing it...im just dumb
2024-05-31 18:17:34	BrainDamage	we might be able to poinpount obvious error
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2024-05-31 18:18:00	auditor	it was just an PEBCAC error
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2024-05-31 18:18:03	auditor	admittedly
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2024-05-31 18:45:08	Scimmia	better to install as a separate step while you're learning
2024-05-31 18:45:20	Scimmia	don't want to install a bad package
2024-05-31 18:46:32	phrik	Title: Talk:Pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-31 18:47:20	Scimmia	mingdao: they're learning how to make a PKGBUILD, there are going to be bad packages created successfully
2024-05-31 18:48:18	Scimmia	NetSysFire: i helped some at the beginning, but I gave up a while ago. I can take a look, though
2024-05-31 18:59:26	travisghansen	I've got an ~10 year old install I'm looking to migrate to a new drive..it's been on xfs but trying to consider what's next..should I consider btrfs or a non-starter?
2024-05-31 19:00:12	Namarrgon	If you want any of the btrfs features, sure.
2024-05-31 19:01:01	Namarrgon	The only issues with btrfs are raid5/6 and scenarios where you might run out of disk space.
2024-05-31 19:01:41	killertofus	I am trying to install this pkgbuild, but it won't install https://mystb.in/14a4a2b3b8b9f0e1fa
2024-05-31 19:02:04	killertofus	`python: can't open file '/home/killertofus/t/python-discord-git/src/python-nextcord-git/setup.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory`
2024-05-31 19:03:07	Namarrgon	Does that file exist?
2024-05-31 19:03:32	travisghansen	Namarrgon: I don't particularly care for the features, but it seems like they could be handy at some point...it will be on a single nvme device so no plans for any raid-like setup
2024-05-31 19:04:02	killertofus	no it does not, what would I edit in the pkgbuild to make it work?
2024-05-31 19:04:17	Namarrgon	killertofus: Is that PKGBUILD from the AUR? Have you checked the comments?
2024-05-31 19:04:31	Antiz	killertofus: Apply Python packaging guidelines for pep517 standard
2024-05-31 19:05:03	killertofus	 I made the pkgbuild because I wanted the git version of nextcord https://github.com/nextcord/nextcord
2024-05-31 19:05:10	Antiz	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Python_package_guidelines#Standards_based_(PEP_517)
2024-05-31 19:05:11	phrik	Title: Python package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-31 19:05:31	Namarrgon	Then you have to adapt the packaging to whatever upstream supports now.
2024-05-31 19:06:05	Namarrgon	They have installation instructions in the README.
2024-05-31 19:06:17	killertofus	seems to be poetry https://github.com/nextcord/nextcord/commit/ce71ac968ae2ae413436a761ba84bb8debddc317
2024-05-31 19:06:22	demonicm1niac1	travisghansen: the raid features are filesystem level not device raid - that are still pretty "experimental" aka broken for btrfs. so you could have a raid5 between btrfs filesystems
2024-05-31 19:06:44	demonicm1niac1	btrfs on dmraid is fine
2024-05-31 19:07:10	Namarrgon	travisghansen: Then it's really up to you if you want to to play around with the features. In the worst case you tar the system back up and move to a different fs.
2024-05-31 19:07:14	Antiz	killertofus: poetry will likely be needed indeed, but the main issue here is that you're making use of a file that does not exists in your PKGBUILD
2024-05-31 19:09:21	Antiz	nextcord seems to use a pyproject.toml file (rather than a setup.py like you're trying to use). As such you should use the appropriate build and packaging instructions in your PKGBUILD, which are define in Arch's python packaging standard: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Python_package_guidelines#Standards_based_(PEP_517)
2024-05-31 19:09:22	phrik	Title: Python package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-31 19:10:37	killertofus	Antiz you linked that page already fyi
2024-05-31 19:11:07	Edu4rdSHL	killertofus, aur/python-nextcord
2024-05-31 19:11:16	Edu4rdSHL	Isn't that what you're trying to package?
2024-05-31 19:11:24	killertofus	no, the git version
2024-05-31 19:11:31	Edu4rdSHL	Ah
2024-05-31 19:11:36	Antiz	killertofus: Have you read it though? ^^
2024-05-31 19:11:45	killertofus	I am reading it
2024-05-31 19:11:51	Antiz	👍
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2024-05-31 19:19:42	travisghansen	 Namarragon worst case is data loss, seems like a few years ago things were tough on that front, if it’s generally considered as stable as xfs and ext4 then maybe I will give it a go
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2024-05-31 19:31:35	cityzan	I am installing linux-hardened. i removed lts. i ran grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg && mkinitcpio -p linux, but when i load 
2024-05-31 19:31:35	cityzan	                 grub pulls up lts. when i edit grub to -hardened it says file not found, but i see them in chroot
2024-05-31 19:31:49	cityzan	wow that dint paste right
2024-05-31 19:31:53	cityzan	apology
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2024-05-31 19:32:23	cityzan	-p linux-hardened
2024-05-31 19:32:43	Scimmia	do you have a /boot partition and was it mounted when you did all of this?
2024-05-31 19:32:55	cityzan	should grub keep pulling up the old kernel? even if is pacman -R it
2024-05-31 19:33:19	cityzan	yes i had it mounted and it shows /boot/ linux-harned 
2024-05-31 19:33:28	cityzan	all the files are there
2024-05-31 19:33:32	astralc	and lts is not there?
2024-05-31 19:33:38	cityzan	yes removed
2024-05-31 19:33:41	cityzan	pacman -R
2024-05-31 19:33:45	astralc	so what it loading?
2024-05-31 19:33:46	Scimmia	and if you unmount it, do you see the lts kernel and an old grub config?
2024-05-31 19:33:48	cityzan	lts
2024-05-31 19:33:51	astralc	not in /boot
2024-05-31 19:34:09	cityzan	wai have not check that Scimmia 
2024-05-31 19:34:29	cityzan	let me boot up in the system and check
2024-05-31 19:34:36	cityzan	it does bppt the lts
2024-05-31 19:34:39	cityzan	???
2024-05-31 19:34:41	cityzan	bbs
2024-05-31 19:37:05	Scimmia	then you're not actually using the partition you have mounted at /boot. You did that after setting up your bootloader
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2024-05-31 19:42:29	cityzan	when i boot the machine and log in and goto /boot i see all the files int-lnx-hrd-fallbk init-lnx-hrd.img vmlinuz-lnx-hrd
2024-05-31 19:42:35	cityzan	short hand ^^^
2024-05-31 19:42:51	cityzan	no lts
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2024-05-31 19:43:00	Scimmia	unmount /boot and you'll find it
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2024-05-31 19:43:50	cityzan	boot does not show mounted
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2024-05-31 19:44:14	cityzan	im logged into the machine and lsblk shows no mount points
2024-05-31 19:44:18	Scimmia	so that's your problem, then
2024-05-31 19:44:43	cityzan	well just 1 the root part is mount /
2024-05-31 19:44:53	cityzan	so i need to mount the sdb to /boot
2024-05-31 19:44:54	cityzan	?
2024-05-31 19:45:07	cityzan	ok
2024-05-31 19:45:40	Scimmia	you need whatever you set up as your boot partition. It won't be sdb, that's a disk, not a partition
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2024-05-31 19:46:08	cityzan	sdb2
2024-05-31 19:46:29	cityzan	failed to mount the vfat
2024-05-31 19:47:03	cityzan	unknown fs
2024-05-31 19:47:28	Scimmia	because you uninstall the modules for the kernel you're running
2024-05-31 19:47:32	Scimmia	uninstalled
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2024-05-31 19:48:12	cityzan	lsod sshows a good list
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2024-05-31 19:48:16	cityzan	lsmod
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2024-05-31 19:48:49	cityzan	let me go review and see what modules are needed thank you Scimmia 
2024-05-31 19:48:50	Scimmia	of ones that were in the initramfs
2024-05-31 19:49:22	cityzan	getting a bit higher level than i am understanindg. just learning about modules and such atm
2024-05-31 19:49:28	cityzan	maybe go back to lts for now lol
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2024-05-31 19:50:25	jadelclemens	Hey all, have a Pacman/alpm hook question. I'm writing an upgrade hook to patch an installed file after upgrade, is there any concept of patching the file "in the package archive" prior to its installation to the eventual install root? Or is it only possible to patch the file in-situ post-install?
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2024-05-31 19:51:04	jadelclemens	i.e. can I patch the file within the temporary package dir, then have pacman install the package, instead of running a PostTransaction to patch the file in-place on the system
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2024-05-31 19:54:03	Antiz	jadelclemens: That would technically be doable at the "packaging level" (e.g. with a .install script called in the PKGBUILD) but that's not possible at a pacman hook level
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2024-05-31 19:55:38	Antiz	Pacman hooks' Exec are triggered *after* the operation (Install/Upgrade/Remvoe)
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2024-05-31 19:56:22	jadelclemens	Eh? A PostTransaction hook sure. It did look like PreTransaction did in fact run _before_ the associated operation.
2024-05-31 19:56:49	Antiz	jadelclemens: Uh, forgive me...
2024-05-31 19:56:58	jadelclemens	Thank you btw. Is there a way to know the install root from the hook? I'm installing into / so it's no issue but I'm curious.
2024-05-31 19:57:05	Antiz	I forget PreTransaction was a thing x)
2024-05-31 19:57:16	jadelclemens	lol, no worries
2024-05-31 19:58:07	Antiz	Yet, AFAIK, that's no clean/proper way to execute stuff in $pkgdir via a hook
2024-05-31 19:58:24	Antiz	(Even in PreTransaction)
2024-05-31 19:59:42	Antiz	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PKGBUILD#install
2024-05-31 19:59:43	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-05-31 20:00:45	Antiz	👆Don't quote me on that, I might be wrong, but I have the fundamental difference between a .install script and a pacman hook is the fact that functions inside a .install script are chrooted inside the pacman install dir (which is not the case with a pacman hook)
2024-05-31 20:01:04	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [+o litharge] by ChanServ
2024-05-31 20:01:05	Antiz	but I think* (not "have")
2024-05-31 20:01:05	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [-qo $a:citazen litharge] by litharge
2024-05-31 20:01:28	greyltc	an arch logo has appeared
2024-05-31 20:01:32	greyltc	I like it!
2024-05-31 20:03:05	Antiz	jadelclemens: Hence why I think only a .install script will be able to execute stuff with the pacman install temporary dir of a package. But using that would imply using (and maintaining) your own PKGBUILD of course.
2024-05-31 20:03:19	Antiz	within* the pacman install temporary dir
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2024-05-31 20:09:27	jadelclemens	Antiz: Gotcha gotcha. Yeah, what I have is most definitely functional, I'm not operating on any guest roots or anything. Just a point of curiosity.
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2024-05-31 20:09:40	jadelclemens	The hook is definitely the path of least resistance ;)
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2024-05-31 20:13:54	ocra8	is it normal mirrorlist is empty ?
2024-05-31 20:14:11	gromit	greyltc: Where? 👀
2024-05-31 20:14:16	gromit	ocra8: no
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2024-05-31 20:14:25	ocra8	in /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist file is empty
2024-05-31 20:14:38	ocra8	it is a linode vps
2024-05-31 20:15:05	gromit	ocra8: the file should not be empty, is there maybe another mirrorlist preconfigured? 
2024-05-31 20:15:06	greyltc	gromit: i've updated just now and the arch logo appeared on my GDM welcome screen
2024-05-31 20:15:15	gromit	greyltc: oho
2024-05-31 20:15:56	ocra8	I must have overwritten it ?
2024-05-31 20:17:17	gromit	ocra8: you can get the default one here: curl https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/pacman-mirrorlist/-/raw/main/mirrorlist\?ref_type\=heads
2024-05-31 20:18:04	ocra8	not found 404
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2024-05-31 20:18:16	gromit	ocra8: what does "grep ^Include /etc/pacman.conf" turn up? 
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2024-05-31 20:18:43	gromit	ocra8: huh? did you copy the whole link? 
2024-05-31 20:18:53	ocra8	yes
2024-05-31 20:19:05	ocra8	grep ... /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
2024-05-31 20:19:16	ocra8	I added one line Server = https://mirror.rackspace.com/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch and update works now
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2024-05-31 20:30:02	greyltc	gromit: here's what did it https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/gdm/-/commit/1559a177e4e86eb18922c69eaf4a3b16ef488a37
2024-05-31 20:30:04	phrik	Title: 46.2-1 (1559a177) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / gdm · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-05-31 20:38:53	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [+b $a:cityzan] by alad
2024-05-31 20:39:00	@alad	cityzan: you're not allowed to use multiple accounts, especially not to evade your bans
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2024-05-31 20:39:40	teraflops	greyltc: uh, I do not see arch logo in gdm
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2024-05-31 20:58:07	Furai	gdm added archlinux logo
2024-05-31 20:58:09	Furai	?
2024-05-31 20:58:25	brittluna	yep
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2024-05-31 20:59:21	Furai	Looks nice.
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2024-05-31 21:08:13	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-05-31 21:08:48	teraflops	which version of GDM is shipping the arch logo? gdm 46.2-1?
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2024-05-31 21:10:48	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, yes
2024-05-31 21:11:03	Edu4rdSHL	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/gdm/-/commit/1559a177e4e86eb18922c69eaf4a3b16ef488a37
2024-05-31 21:11:04	phrik	Title: 46.2-1 (1559a177) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / gdm · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-05-31 21:11:30	teraflops	fuck, I've been playing with changing gdm background and now I cannot revert it to its defaults it seems
2024-05-31 21:11:45	teraflops	not even deleting gdm package
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2024-05-31 21:12:25	Edu4rdSHL	Check the default gdm config files/directories
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2024-05-31 21:12:43	teraflops	Ill make my own
2024-05-31 21:12:45	teraflops	:P
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2024-05-31 21:15:16	Furai	But that would be just the logo at the bottom. Wouldn't you want to change the whole css? (I think gdm uses css?)
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2024-05-31 21:21:07	teraflops	nah, I think is a combination of gsettings or whatever
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2024-05-31 21:28:16	Furai	teraflops: https://gdm-settings.github.io/ whaaat? Found this by an accident.
2024-05-31 21:28:17	phrik	Title: GDM Settings | Customize your login screen (at gdm-settings.github.io)
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2024-05-31 21:29:01	Furai	Still, I'd rather just tweak some config files myself. This seems like an overkill.
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2024-05-31 21:30:25	teraflops	hmm
2024-05-31 21:31:30	teraflops	https://paste.priet.us/IMG_0114.jpg \o/
2024-05-31 21:32:07	wyre	teraflops, my bouncer is back 😅
2024-05-31 21:32:15	teraflops	wyre: the vps?
2024-05-31 21:32:25	wyre	finally Contabo also supports arch ... but not officially
2024-05-31 21:32:29	wyre	teraflops, sure!
2024-05-31 21:32:33	teraflops	great ;)
2024-05-31 21:32:36	wyre	and my irc bouncer (znc)
2024-05-31 21:33:13	Furai	I just use ssh to connect to forever running instance of weechat in tmux on my server. 
2024-05-31 21:33:14	teraflops	I do weechat relay
2024-05-31 21:33:30	Furai	Relay thing didn't appeal to me TBH.
2024-05-31 21:34:10	Furai	SSH I have everywhere, relay makes me install weechat on "client machines".
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2024-05-31 21:40:04	hexagenic	For pcs, I use SSH. But it's nice to be able to access weechat on the phone also, without having a full terminal
2024-05-31 21:40:35	teraflops	the android client takes advantage of weechat relay
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2024-05-31 21:41:26	hexagenic	Yes, I'm currently testing one of the relay clients. Seems to work well
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2024-05-31 21:42:43	teraflops	I used a lot this one https://f-droid.org/packages/com.ubergeek42.WeechatAndroid/
2024-05-31 21:42:45	phrik	Title: Weechat-Android | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository (at f-droid.org)
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2024-06-01 13:05:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-06-01 13:05:01	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1426 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1425 regular)
2024-06-01 05:02:14	tirnanog	none of what you are saying makes any sense. the code is licensed under a bog-standard standard 3-clause BSD license, which is both OSI and FSF approved. the official icon is licensed under CC-BY-NC-ND-4.0.
2024-06-01 05:04:00	auditor	tiranog are you looking at the github or the website?  
2024-06-01 05:05:07	tirnanog	github.
2024-06-01 05:05:20	rcf	tirnanog: he's not getting it from there, but from the website. It's no longer open source. 
2024-06-01 05:05:52	auditor	right
2024-06-01 05:06:26	tirnanog	I see.
2024-06-01 05:06:42	auditor	I got it working the way I need to
2024-06-01 05:08:26	auditor	the license says it can be redistributed in binary form without modification  as long as I produce the copyright notice in full, and dont endorse or promote the product using the copyright holders name or its contributors
2024-06-01 05:08:49	auditor	so i think rcf is on to something here...just need to make sure I include a copy of the license with it
2024-06-01 05:10:36	auditor	looks like i just need to call it custom in the PKGBUILD
2024-06-01 06:36:48	virtualsid	I may have poor search-fu, but has anyone successfully mirrored/streamed a linux desktop screen to an Apple TV? Just mirroring, but extending could be fine...
2024-06-01 06:45:52	pushrad	how do i enable the new nano 8.0 keybinds?
2024-06-01 07:02:40	llua	ctrl+z emacs
2024-06-01 07:10:04	virtualsid	llua: While I found that amusing, I imagine some might think the opposite :P
2024-06-01 07:11:12	pushrad	i find it amusing and unhelpful
2024-06-01 07:11:17	pushrad	i like nano
2024-06-01 07:11:34	pushrad	but i'm trying to get the keybinds persistent amongst my machines
2024-06-01 07:13:03	virtualsid	what have you tried so far, pushrad?
2024-06-01 07:13:37	virtualsid	I assume you just use the same dotfiles, and share them between machines how you would normally do - does that not work?
2024-06-01 07:14:54	pushrad	virtualsid, i'm talking about the defaults. nano 8 changed the default keybinds; my machine doesn't use them for some reason; and systems i administer but don't want to install my dotfiles on, are using the new binds
2024-06-01 07:15:20	BrainDamage	maybe you have a lingering old /etc/nanorc '
2024-06-01 07:17:12	virtualsid	or ~/.config/nano/nanorc or ~/.nanorc, etc.
2024-06-01 07:23:27	pushrad	hm no
2024-06-01 07:23:39	pushrad	if i mv ~/.config/nano/nanorc{,~} i still have the same binds
2024-06-01 07:23:44	pushrad	and i didn't edit /etc/nanorc
2024-06-01 07:38:43	pushrad	brb
2024-06-01 07:40:45	pushrad	back
2024-06-01 08:35:02	pushrad	eh i will just ask on the nano mailing list
2024-06-01 08:35:07	pushrad	bye
2024-06-01 09:40:45	popebob	can someone please confirm i am not going insane? does https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#Encrypted_boot_partition_(GRUB) mention encrypting /boot in any way at all?
2024-06-01 09:40:46	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Encrypting an entire system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-01 09:41:16	popebob	afaict, nothing in that includes encrypting /boot ... and it's driving me bonkers.
2024-06-01 09:41:46	popebob	i generally consider archwiki high quality, but this is balls.
2024-06-01 09:42:49	arsaces	arch recommends mounting the esp in /boot. the esp is a fat32 fs. it won't be encrypted
2024-06-01 09:43:13	⚡ 	popebob blinks
2024-06-01 09:43:37	popebob	so you can't secure /boot from evil maid?
2024-06-01 09:44:00	arsaces	not with uefi boot
2024-06-01 09:45:12	popebob	ok. so... if i don't uefi boot? ... please note that archiwiki subtitle is "encrypted boot partition (GRUB)" ... since grub can handle luks1 disks natively.
2024-06-01 09:45:43	popebob	but... the wiki makes zero mention of encrypting the boot partition, in that article.
2024-06-01 09:45:58	popebob	uefi or not
2024-06-01 09:47:40	arsaces	in ubuntu and fedora the esp is not mounted in /boot, but /boot/efi
2024-06-01 09:48:34	popebob	arsaces: groovy. still doesn't answer my question, or seem to matter.
2024-06-01 09:49:36	arsaces	yes it's weird that the default mount point in arch for it is /boot
2024-06-01 09:50:12	popebob	anyone wondering why you might wanna encrypt your boot partitiion -- imagine someone has access to your device, removes the drive, puts it in another system, modifies your initrd and includes a keylogger.
2024-06-01 09:52:05	arsaces	if you want to see how it (not the esp) can be encrypted in ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
2024-06-01 09:54:59	popebob	gratzi. i imagine the same process would likely work for arch
2024-06-01 09:55:34	popebob	i would expect the archwiki article about disk encryption, subsection 'encrypted boot partition' would have the necessary details... but... hey... opensource is open.
2024-06-01 09:56:37	popebob	fort this install, i've been debating between arch and debian... this is kinda flummoxing me.
2024-06-01 09:57:44	popebob	'good documentation' is generally a point i look for when evaluating... lol... i find this instance so particularly strange... but i'm drunk enough to enjoy it.
2024-06-01 09:58:31	popebob	i mean, given what i know and have heard of arch, i kinda expected a quick 5 bullet point doc about fde...
2024-06-01 09:59:07	popebob	'do this, do that, do that other thing, do this. bingo bango, disks are encrypted!'
2024-06-01 10:02:54	mpan	popebob: the first paragraph of what you linked contains a link to encrypting “/boot” (if it’s not ESP). But that only answers your question, not your goal. And the latter is close to impossible.
2024-06-01 10:03:50	popebob	the goal? of having a fully encrypted disk?
2024-06-01 10:03:59	mpan	No. Avoiding evil maid attack.
2024-06-01 10:05:07	rcf	Hmmm
2024-06-01 10:05:10	mpan	Your are sweating to protect public information. Not to provide actual security against anything above a crafty and bored collegue.
2024-06-01 10:05:17	popebob	mpan: how does a fully encrypted disk not protect against an evil maid/
2024-06-01 10:06:01	popebob	mpan: you missed my comment, apparently, about an evil maid being able to inject code into my initramfs when /boot is not encrypted.
2024-06-01 10:06:19	kode54	ESP can't be encrypted, no firmware supports that
2024-06-01 10:06:38	rcf	Truths
2024-06-01 10:06:41	popebob	'protecting public information' isn't the goal... preventing malware from being injected into public code is the goal.
2024-06-01 10:06:44	kode54	but you can secureboot sign your UKI and notice that your boot has been intercepted
2024-06-01 10:06:55	mpan	popebob: first of all, you want to use software-level encryption, so it’s not true FDE to start with. Something has to be readable to boot. Second: even if it’s hardware FDE, the adversary having access to your computer can modify it so it will intercept your passphrase and/or modify code being run.
2024-06-01 10:07:18	kode54	determined evil maid can do anything
2024-06-01 10:07:29	mpan	popebob: and, finally, encryption may coincidently limit modification, but it’s not its goal. For that authentiation is needed.
2024-06-01 10:07:39	arsaces	kode54: was uki the thing that combines the kernel and the initramfs?
2024-06-01 10:07:45	popebob	mpan: so your point, which seems fair, is that someone could inject a keylogger in the bootloader?
2024-06-01 10:07:48	kode54	yes, and commandline
2024-06-01 10:07:57	mpan	popebob: or just at the USB port.
2024-06-01 10:08:14	kode54	popebob: someone could swap out your keyboard for one with a hardware keylogger
2024-06-01 10:08:19	popebob	mpan: usb port? with a password protected boot/bios?
2024-06-01 10:08:50	popebob	kode54: oof, nightmare fuel.
2024-06-01 10:08:50	mpan	popebob: and, as kode54 mentioned, firmware will still need at least something to be unencrypted. So even if encryption does protect against modification, the adversary can modify that.
2024-06-01 10:09:05	arsaces	popebob: put the boot loader stuff on the usb stick
2024-06-01 10:09:21	mpan	(which is BTW described in the Arch Wiki)
2024-06-01 10:09:48	popebob	mpan: none of this changes the fact that archwiki is fucking wrong on this subject.
2024-06-01 10:09:53	mpan	But again, this doesn’t protect against evil maid attack for the very same reasons as already given. 
2024-06-01 10:10:07	mpan	popebob: well… do you need any help?
2024-06-01 10:10:23	arsaces	mpan: even if all your boot loader stuff is on the usb stick?
2024-06-01 10:10:37	arsaces	lol what an ignorant comment
2024-06-01 10:10:38	popebob	mpan: with what? the steps necessary to have a single encrypted /dev/sda1 ? yes... that's why i went to the wiki to begin with.
2024-06-01 10:11:18	mpan	popebob: you were given information about this being described, where, and also why this is giving little benefit.
2024-06-01 10:11:29	mpan	popebob: if you came here for pointless ranting, this is a wrong place.
2024-06-01 10:11:44	arsaces	mpan: lay of the crack will you?
2024-06-01 10:11:48	popebob	mpan: groovy. doesn't change the fact that archwiki is still wrong af.
2024-06-01 10:11:55	arsaces	mpan: nothing he's said is pointless rant
2024-06-01 10:12:08	popebob	mpan: pointless ranting? lol... funny
2024-06-01 10:12:15	pulsar12	what is wrong in wiki?
2024-06-01 10:13:10	popebob	pulsar12: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#Encrypted_boot_partition_(GRUB) ...
2024-06-01 10:13:12	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Encrypting an entire system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-01 10:13:47	popebob	pulsar12: afaict, none of that discusses encrypting the boot partition, which it claims to do.
2024-06-01 10:14:24	arsaces	the esp mounted in /boot can't be encrypted
2024-06-01 10:14:32	arsaces	because it has a fat32 fs
2024-06-01 10:15:08	arsaces	is that info missing from the wiki?
2024-06-01 10:15:13	popebob	arsaces: so you have said. not my question. not my point. the point is the article specifically claims to tell us how to encrypt our boot partition, but mentions nothing about encrypting boot.
2024-06-01 10:15:59	pulsar12	popebob: I believe /boot is not a partition in this case, it's just part of the root /
2024-06-01 10:16:18	popebob	pulsar12: read the article.
2024-06-01 10:16:52	arsaces	the default in arch is to mount the esp in /boot
2024-06-01 10:17:08	astralc	there is no default in arch
2024-06-01 10:17:33	arsaces	well in /efi then
2024-06-01 10:17:34	pulsar12	ĩ read it, it could be also a volume created in LVM but is missing that creation step in the article
2024-06-01 10:17:55	arsaces	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFI_system_partition#Typical_mount_points
2024-06-01 10:17:57	phrik	Title: EFI system partition - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-01 10:20:53	popebob	let's try a different approach. does anyone feel that that article clearly explains to anyone how to encrypt their /boot partition?
2024-06-01 10:21:56	pulsar12	I think article should be renamed  "Encrypted boot partition (GRUB)" -> "Encrypted /boot (GRUB)"
2024-06-01 10:22:25	popebob	i mean, i'm just trying to make sure i'm not insane.
2024-06-01 10:22:59	popebob	the link to 'encrypted /boot (grub)' is also lackluster as far as what actually needs to be done by a user, afaik
2024-06-01 10:23:07	pulsar12	popebob: I agree it could be more clear. From the steps, it is clear to me they are referring to /boot as part of the encrypted / partition
2024-06-01 10:23:23	popebob	from what steps?
2024-06-01 10:23:48	pulsar12	the whole description of the article (8)
2024-06-01 10:23:50	popebob	accept that some fucking crackhead wrote this article and you do not need to defend it
2024-06-01 10:24:34	pulsar12	it is not mentioned anywhere the creation of boot partition separately. So it's implicit the /boot is part of the root volume, which is fine
2024-06-01 10:25:12	pulsar12	the "partition" keyword is what leads to confusion
2024-06-01 10:28:38	arsaces	i think they refer to the esp with that word
2024-06-01 10:29:19	popebob	the fact that it doesn't clearly explain, in any way, how someone might prepare a disk for full encryption, including /boot, which kinda deviates from its section heading, is frustrating.
2024-06-01 10:30:38	popebob	the realization, or recognition that someone could modify the bootloader, which is unencrypte no matter what, kinda minimizes the 'need' to encrypt /boot ... for what it is worth.
2024-06-01 10:31:07	glitsj16	maybe #archlinux-wiki is the better place to point out wiki topics
2024-06-01 10:31:45	popebob	i'd love to see the wiki updated to fix that, include steps to encrypt everything, but remind us paranoid fuckers that ... even if you do that, grub could still be compromise.
2024-06-01 10:32:09	popebob	glitsj16: is that an active channel? i'll gladly inform them...
2024-06-01 10:33:30	popebob	i'm just drunk and was looking forwrard to getting arch going in a more secure env than i'm used to.
2024-06-01 10:33:42	pulsar12	popebob: what is the advantage of encrypting /boot? i don't see much, and you will be limited to use LUKS1
2024-06-01 10:33:48	glitsj16	popebob: it's an official arch channel; even when you don't get immediate responses I'm pretty sure the people responsible are lurking 24/7
2024-06-01 10:34:23	glitsj16	popebob: so it will get picked up there
2024-06-01 10:34:30	popebob	pulsar12: the 'theory' is that with an unencrypted /boot, you have an unencrypte initramfs, and one can 'easily' inject a keylogger or other malicious payload in your initramfs
2024-06-01 10:34:52	popebob	glitsj16: thanks, i'll mention it there
2024-06-01 10:35:19	glitsj16	popebob: no need to thank me, welcome :)
2024-06-01 10:35:52	frostschutz	you could encrypt initramfs, without encrypting boot. but, there is no standard solution ;-) but grub is so damn slow unlocking luks, if you end up lowering iteration counts because of it, it kind of ends less secure than before
2024-06-01 10:36:40	popebob	pulsar12: the reality... i think... is if someone is capable of injecting a keylogger in my initramfs, they are also capable of injecting a keylogger in grub's / the bootloader's code.
2024-06-01 10:36:53	frostschutz	it won't help with (hardware) keyloggers either way
2024-06-01 10:37:07	popebob	frostschutz: truth
2024-06-01 10:37:08	pulsar12	yes popebob, i see your point and it makes it more complicated for the attacker
2024-06-01 10:38:37	popebob	frostschutz: not trying to go insane, but... if someone knows what model laptop you have, it's not really that hard to get a replacement keyboard ready/made with whatever malware you want loaded...
2024-06-01 10:40:57	popebob	pulsar12: that's the goal... yes, they could replace your keyboard, or implant something in your keyboard, or modify your grub... but those were all options before, anyhow... the idea is to remove options... modifying an initramfs isn't that difficult... easier than modifying grub, i suspect, anyhow.
2024-06-01 10:42:25	pulsar12	what about TPM as part of the unlock key? Like windows does
2024-06-01 10:42:30	popebob	and i'm pretty sure there are guides out there for a single /dev/sda1 that is encrypted and contains /boot for other distributions, which is why, when reading the article on archwiki, specifically about encrypting /boot, i was surprised to find zero information on encrypting /boot
2024-06-01 10:43:01	pulsar12	like windows does... in this case initramfs hash or something could be used as part of the key
2024-06-01 10:43:04	popebob	pulsar12: that is one of the sections of that same page, talks about using signing and secureboot... with /is/ an option, possibly.
2024-06-01 10:43:36	popebob	pulsar12: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#LUKS_on_a_partition_with_TPM2_and_Secure_Boot if you're interested
2024-06-01 10:43:37	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Encrypting an entire system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-01 10:44:26	popebob	i'm not entirely sure how to work with tpm as a user/admin of my laptop... something i could learn.
2024-06-01 10:45:50	popebob	i really wish i could coreboot this laptop just to minimize its uefi/bios... ugh... who needs a mouse in a fucking bios menu? ... or a menu for a bios password? sigh... kids these days.
2024-06-01 10:52:12	popebob	anyhow... call me weird, but i think the main article in the archwiki about encrypting your disk with the intention of encrypting your /boot partition should include clear steps in how to accomplish that.
2024-06-01 10:57:06	pulsar12	popebob: would you be ok with a minor adjustment? (modify it to be clear it's /boot as part of root /, a not separate volume)
2024-06-01 10:59:45	popebob	sure? if there needs to be more than 1 partition, and the other partition must be unencrypted, there should be a note as to why the entire disk cannot be encrypted and perhaps why it doesn't make sense to encrypt the entire disk.
2024-06-01 11:00:21	popebob	i'm trying to approach these things as a newb
2024-06-01 11:00:32	popebob	context helps everywhere.
2024-06-01 11:01:02	popebob	(i've been using linux for over 20 years, so i'm not really a newb, but i don't know everything)
2024-06-01 11:03:13	popebob	currently running slackware... but not sure if i want to move to slackware-current, from slackware-15, or if i want to use arch, or maybe go back to debian, though bookworm is a bit aged.
2024-06-01 11:05:12	popebob	main issue with slack15 is that i wanna try the more recent version of darktable to process some photos, but... that would require moving to slack-current, which ... ... i'm not a fan of 'testing' as a base... which... makes you wonder why i'd look at arch... and... i wonder that myself, but... before this particular instance, i had found archwiki very reliable for all sorts of issues on all
2024-06-01 11:05:12	popebob	sorts of 
2024-06-01 11:05:18	popebob	distros.
2024-06-01 11:06:24	popebob	and i am a fan of tools like pacman that just get shit installed and make it work, so you can play with it long enough to find out you needn't have bothered and can uninstall it cleanly.
2024-06-01 11:06:57	popebob	one of the main reasons i moved to debian from slack, way back when.
2024-06-01 11:07:20	popebob	(i'm drunk and reminiscing, fuck you.) :P <with love>
2024-06-01 11:19:45	dviola	pacman is the best, indeed
2024-06-01 11:23:51	popebob	i like the concept of the rolling release, but i was put-off by the idea that you need to browse the http news site, to see package changes that may introduce breakages(?) and that when you ran an update, locally, you aren;t(?) notified of any local file changes you might need to make?
2024-06-01 11:24:45	popebob	^ this is all just perception... if you install a new package and it requires some sort of change, outside of the package, does it notify you, locally, in the console, with the steps you need to take, to not break things?
2024-06-01 11:25:24	popebob	if i can phrase that clearer, let me know.. i'm trying to find the right words.
2024-06-01 11:26:13	popebob	like... when i update openbsd to a new release, it includes information about commands i need to run, or files i need to modify when they change 'enough' ... from like 7.3 to 7.4
2024-06-01 11:26:22	Ingar	finding the new files in essences comes down to find -name "*.pacnew"
2024-06-01 11:26:28	Ingar	and pacman does warn you
2024-06-01 11:26:35	popebob	ok, good to know
2024-06-01 11:26:39	Ingar	reading about aupdates, well you should do that for ANY update
2024-06-01 11:26:48	Ingar	see also: Windows Update
2024-06-01 11:26:54	bookworm	sometimes you'll also get other messages, but for normal mode of operations you won't 
2024-06-01 11:27:00	gromit	popebob: there also is a pacman hook ("informant") that notifies you about news etc on the CLI
2024-06-01 11:27:18	bookworm	you are expected to know that you need to restart services you just upgraded and such
2024-06-01 11:27:28	popebob	yeah? /every/ update? ... i dunno... i'm guilty of running yum update or apt dist-upgrade without paying attention to what's updating all the time... or even running automatic updates.
2024-06-01 11:27:40	Ingar	I always reboot after a system update
2024-06-01 11:27:48	Ingar	at least that way I know the machine comes back up
2024-06-01 11:27:54	popebob	gromit: awesome, thank you, i need to make note of that.
2024-06-01 11:28:08	bookworm	that's slightly excessive 
2024-06-01 11:28:24	Ingar	bookworm: but not really an issue on a fast desktop machine
2024-06-01 11:28:28	bookworm	you only really need to reboot for kernel updates
2024-06-01 11:28:48	Antiz	popebob: FWIW, I made a script that kinda automates all of that for you: https://github.com/Antiz96/arch-update
2024-06-01 11:29:05	Ingar	bookworm: true, but it is a good test to see if all your services work after the reboot
2024-06-01 11:29:18	Antiz	Warns you about new Arch news (and prints them), warns you about orphan packages, warns you about required reboot on kernel upgrade, etc...
2024-06-01 11:29:32	bookworm	how unstable do you think Arch is...
2024-06-01 11:30:21	Antiz	Obviously, this is a third party thing, not official supported (just to say)
2024-06-01 11:30:24	popebob	Antiz: excellent, thank you, noted. :D
2024-06-01 11:30:31	Ingar	bookworm: I've been long enough in ICT to know that what I think is irrelevant, whant anyone tells me is irrelevant, and what has actually been tested is ok.
2024-06-01 11:30:43	bookworm	fair enough 
2024-06-01 11:30:54	Antiz	But that's mostly a wrapper around other "official" tools (it's just using pacman and stuff under the hood).
2024-06-01 11:30:58	Antiz	popebob: No problem :)
2024-06-01 11:31:14	Ingar	bookworm: and it could be something silly like a made a mistake while fixing a pacnew
2024-06-01 11:31:42	bookworm	you could just restart the service to find out, but sure
2024-06-01 11:31:50	Ingar	yeah, but lazy
2024-06-01 11:31:50	bookworm	using the nuclear option works
2024-06-01 11:32:03	Antiz	It comes with a systray and an auto check/notification for new available updates. The idea is "start the systray and let it check for new updates. When there are, simply click the systray and let it do everything properly for you" :)
2024-06-01 11:32:53	popebob	Ingar: dunno if joking, but def not a bad idea to test updates with a reboot... the days of a long uptime are dead.
2024-06-01 11:33:44	Ingar	popebob: no, that is my actual update procedure for machines at home. uptime is more like, xxx days since last update! :)
2024-06-01 11:34:14	Ingar	I did the 2 year uptime thing, in the end, it is nothing special
2024-06-01 11:34:24	Ingar	it means your power is stable :)
2024-06-01 11:35:10	popebob	Ingar: yeah, i have several systems w/o ups, so ... i like to make sure they come back clean.
2024-06-01 11:35:10	bookworm	and that you are an idiot that doesn't apply security updates
2024-06-01 11:35:52	Ingar	bookworm: exactly
2024-06-01 11:36:18	popebob	i once carted a system from one dorm room to another building with a baggage cart from a hotel with a connected UPS to try to keep an uptime... lol... in the end, something happened and it got unplugged anyhow
2024-06-01 11:36:54	popebob	i forget the details... 20 years and all.
2024-06-01 11:37:18	popebob	shit, we're nearing 30 years of linux use...
2024-06-01 11:37:24	mpan	popebob: I assume you are sober now :). Don’t drink and Arch ;). For checking for pacnew files, there is `pacdiff` command from pacman-contrib package. Does searching, plays well with `sudoedit`. Reading news is obligatory, but they are not that often and you can rely on your RSS feed reader, if you use one. Many of us do.
2024-06-01 11:37:39	popebob	mpan: you assume poorly, lol
2024-06-01 11:37:41	Ingar	popebob: first install in '96 ;-)
2024-06-01 11:37:58	Gnana	!pastie
2024-06-01 11:37:58	phrik	Gnana: Say what?
2024-06-01 11:38:00	popebob	Ingar: same <3
2024-06-01 11:38:02	Gnana	!pate
2024-06-01 11:38:03	phrik	Gnana: Is that… Is that really a word?
2024-06-01 11:38:07	virtualsid	Ingar: me too! :-D
2024-06-01 11:38:09	Gnana	!paste
2024-06-01 11:38:09	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-06-01 11:38:16	Ingar	I still have the Slackware CD
2024-06-01 11:38:20	virtualsid	Redhat 3.0.3, kernel 1.2.13 for me :P
2024-06-01 11:38:32	popebob	virtualsid: woof... that's early
2024-06-01 11:38:46	Ingar	I think mine had 2.0.12 or around that
2024-06-01 11:38:51	virtualsid	the weird thing was, I'm sure we used 1.2.13 for aeons.
2024-06-01 11:38:55	virtualsid	and then 2.0.38
2024-06-01 11:39:00	popebob	yeah, i was 2.0 linux
2024-06-01 11:39:02	virtualsid	And now, we're at like 16million or something weird.
2024-06-01 11:39:08	mpan	popebob: as for attraction to rolling release distros: don get confused. Some do. This doesn’t mean all the freshest stuff. It just means there is no intentional delay in wait for a big release. So you are not surprised.
2024-06-01 11:39:12	Gnana	The connection to 0x0.st is not secure
2024-06-01 11:39:14	Gnana	??
2024-06-01 11:39:33	virtualsid	it means you shouldn't send passwords that way. :P
2024-06-01 11:39:35	Ingar	Gnana: it's a http not https
2024-06-01 11:39:38	mpan	Gnana: you can use HTTPS too, if you want. Non-HTTPS link is given, as not everybody can use HTTPS.
2024-06-01 11:39:49	Gnana	:D okay
2024-06-01 11:39:58	popebob	mpan: fair. i'm not gagging for freshsest, i prefer stable, for a base...
2024-06-01 11:40:28	Gnana	thanks
2024-06-01 11:40:38	mpan	popebob: sure, just clarifying. Many people make weird assumptions and then come, complaining a package is not in repos, but it was officially released 12 hours ago. ;)
2024-06-01 11:40:52	popebob	lol
2024-06-01 11:41:07	popebob	those nerds should be using source
2024-06-01 11:41:42	popebob	and probably in the irc channel for whatever project
2024-06-01 11:42:13	mpan	As for stability: never had a system more stable than Arch. But it all depend on how well *you* care about it. It’s as stable, as it’s unforgiving. As for uptimes, I normally reach 2 months. The limit is minor version bump in kernel.
2024-06-01 11:42:16	BrainDamage	our slaves^Wpackagers trudge daily in the bit mines to bring you the freshest quality stuff already, no need to pressure them more than necessary
2024-06-01 11:42:39	Antiz	👼
2024-06-01 11:43:00	mpan	I know many users reach longer uptimes, but they don’t update kernel regularly.
2024-06-01 11:43:19	popebob	yeah, i've heard good things about arch stability, and only infrequent package breakage... 
2024-06-01 11:43:39	Gnana_	Antiz: what emoji font you using?
2024-06-01 11:44:06	Gnana_	🙏
2024-06-01 11:44:21	Antiz	Gnana_: noto-fonts-emoji
2024-06-01 11:44:32	mpan	!check if mpan’s Arch installation will reach 18 years
2024-06-01 11:44:33	phrik	Testing if mpan’s Arch installation will reach 18 years: [FAIL]
2024-06-01 11:44:38	mpan	>:(
2024-06-01 11:45:21	Antiz	mpan: Check for 17, that would still be a great score :)
2024-06-01 11:45:31	mpan	But I want to have a mature Linux!
2024-06-01 11:45:32	Gnana_	🫂🐄🛕🗽
2024-06-01 11:45:43	Antiz	mpan: Haha, fair enough
2024-06-01 11:45:48	Gnana_	Ok ty
2024-06-01 11:45:50	SmirnoffBG	👋
2024-06-01 11:45:51	Gnana_	😊
2024-06-01 11:46:00	Gnana_	👋
2024-06-01 11:48:56	popebob	fuck, i need more beer.
2024-06-01 11:51:51	popebob	praise bacchus for hidden yuenglnig
2024-06-01 13:00:14	Strykar	!paste
2024-06-01 13:00:14	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-06-01 13:00:26	Strykar	!0x0
2024-06-01 13:00:27	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-06-01 13:02:29	Strykar	gromit: full dmesg - https://0x0.st/XN5l.txt  This would happen all the time to the point where I moved to USB ethernet, 6.9.x seemed to have fixed it and I started using it again and today I see it crash
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2024-06-01 14:01:17	virtualsid	wonder what's going on with i3status - not really an arch problem, but it seems it's under development, with bug fixes, etc, but no new releases for 3 years. Just hit a bug in the arch package, which is the latest release. Easier to just switch to py3status for now :/
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2024-06-01 14:02:52	glitsj16__	probably the AUR has a git package offering i3status
2024-06-01 14:03:54	glitsj16__	3 years without a release is exceptional though
2024-06-01 14:05:32	virtualsid	glitsj16__: it didn't seem to.
2024-06-01 14:06:03	virtualsid	and I'm blind, it does.
2024-06-01 14:06:13	virtualsid	how the hell did I miss that
2024-06-01 14:06:27	virtualsid	(I looked! but my eye totally skipped the line I needed to care about)
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2024-06-01 14:06:35	glitsj16__	virtualsid: a friendly reminder on the bug tracker or flagging it out of date perhaps? especially if it has bugs
2024-06-01 14:06:43	glitsj16__	heh, that happens
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2024-06-01 14:08:17	virtualsid	not reported a bug on arch yet, looking now. But not sure if it's just noise, considering the upstream hasn't made a relese.
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2024-06-01 14:09:11	glitsj16__	yes that's usually considered non-actionable afaik
2024-06-01 14:10:43	alad	virtualsid: i3blocks? >:O
2024-06-01 14:11:23	virtualsid	I think I'll go to upstream to ask if they're planning on a new release anytime soon :)
2024-06-01 14:11:52	virtualsid	alad: I switched to py3status for now. I just wanted to clean up my config, and at the same time, to add the wireless connection bitrate.
2024-06-01 14:12:39	virtualsid	got a new card that syncs at 2400Mb/s, while the old one maxed at 433Mb/s - old i3status had a 32bit signed int, which didn't work for anything over 2.1GHz :P
2024-06-01 14:12:46	virtualsid	er, 2.1Gbps
2024-06-01 14:14:59	jakal	anyone else having issue with xforce rfkill after update?
2024-06-01 14:17:30	jakal	do we use rfkill or systemd-rfkill now? a bit confused as i see both wikis are running
2024-06-01 14:18:11	mpan	arsaces: since we can discuss this now openly. A separate USB stick is a great solution to make encryption keys separate from data, when disk is unused. But that USB stick is going to be placed in a machine, which — in our scenario — is no longer trusted. And that machine, not the USB stick, will handle passwords, descrypting disks, running bootloader etc.
2024-06-01 14:19:19	grawity	jakal: rfkill is a kernel subsystem, `rfkill` is the CLI tool to twiddle it manually, systemd-rfkill is the service that twiddles it on startup/shutdown
2024-06-01 14:19:47	jakal	ok ty
2024-06-01 14:20:13	jakal	so to use rfkill i need to make sure the systemd-rfkill is enabled and running
2024-06-01 14:20:16	mpan	arsaces: while replacing initramfs is one of the possibilities for evil maid attacks, it’s *only* one of them. Certainly a few of the simpler ones, so a separate USB stick limits exposure. But the gain is easy to overestimate — and evil maid attack is already unlikely, unless performed by actors who can as well go way beyond initramfs.
2024-06-01 14:21:39	jakal	ty grawity im getting an rfkill block all at start up after update
2024-06-01 14:21:49	virtualsid	Today's the first day I heard this called an 'evil maid' attack. I love the term :)
2024-06-01 14:22:04	Namarrgon	jakal: what is 'xforce'?
2024-06-01 14:22:15	mpan	arsaces: if one can use that mode of security *easily*: sure, great. But putting a lot of effort to implement it… almost always a waste of time. And see the Arch Linux fuckup form, obligatory. :)
2024-06-01 14:22:16	jakal	xfce
2024-06-01 14:22:38	grawity	jakal: no, that's kinda not what I said
2024-06-01 14:23:30	jakal	ok, seperate items that work to do the same service
2024-06-01 14:23:38	jakal	one at start up, one for manual
2024-06-01 14:24:00	jakal	i hope that is what you meant
2024-06-01 14:24:30	grawity	yeah
2024-06-01 14:24:34	jakal	ok
2024-06-01 14:24:43	grawity	the only thing systemd-rfkill does is remember the last state across startup/shutdown
2024-06-01 14:26:53	jakal	Thank you grawity 
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2024-06-01 15:15:31	jakal	ok this is getting a bit out of hand. can not open /dev/rfkill no such device, modproe rfkill not found in directory /lib/moudules/6.6.2linux
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2024-06-01 15:16:25	jakal	i thought rfkill was part of the core? how is it missing, is there a way to just download that module?
2024-06-01 15:16:46	grawity	it's missing because you upgraded /lib/modules
2024-06-01 15:16:57	grawity	what kernel are you running, and what kernel do you have installed?
2024-06-01 15:17:06	jakal	yes this did occure after the upgrade
2024-06-01 15:17:24	jakal	i am running 6.6.31-lts
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2024-06-01 15:18:21	grawity	what kernel are you running, and what kernel do you have installed?
2024-06-01 15:18:24	teraflops	asusctl fan-curve -e true --mod-profile balanced
2024-06-01 15:18:30	teraflops	oops paste fail
2024-06-01 15:18:45	jakal	uname -r = 6.6.31-2-lts
2024-06-01 15:18:47	teraflops	core/linux-lts 6.6.32-1 is the actual one
2024-06-01 15:19:04	jakal	I think that is what you need?
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2024-06-01 15:19:24	grawity	what's the output of `pacman -Q linux-lts`
2024-06-01 15:19:47	grawity	and what's the output of `modprobe rfkill`
2024-06-01 15:19:56	jakal	linux-lts 6.6.32-1
2024-06-01 15:20:35	jakal	rfkill not found int /lib/moudeles/6.6.31-2-lts
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2024-06-01 15:21:50	Namarrgon	Did you reboot the system after the kernel update?
2024-06-01 15:21:53	jakal	i dont see it either when i do a lsmod
2024-06-01 15:22:08	Namarrgon	lsmod lists loaded modules.
2024-06-01 15:22:13	grawity	right so that happens because you no longer have /lib/modules/6.6.31-2-lts, you now have /lib/modules/6.6.32-1-lts
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2024-06-01 15:22:14	jakal	Namarrgon, yes after reboot is when the rfkill error showed up
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2024-06-01 15:23:30	jakal	interesting grawity, nice catch
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2024-06-01 15:25:06	grawity	you can install `kernel-modules-hook` to avoid that kind of problem in the future
2024-06-01 15:25:20	Namarrgon	Do you have a separate /boot fs?
2024-06-01 15:25:25	grawity	for now though you need to either a) reboot, or b) temporarily downgrade to .31-2, modprobe, upgrade again
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2024-06-01 15:29:18	arsaces	mpan: how is the computer untrusted if its storage is encrypted and it can't be booted in another way that using the usb stick?
2024-06-01 15:30:34	arsaces	mpan: i'm not sure what your comment "since we can discuss this now openly" means
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2024-06-01 15:44:50	jakal	ty, had to step away for the moment. 
2024-06-01 15:45:50	jakal	Namarrgon, yes i have a seperate boot part, 
2024-06-01 15:47:01	jakal	kernel-modules-hook
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2024-06-01 15:47:39	jakal	ty grawity looking into this now, not sure how this actually occured, but am glad you guys are here for the help
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2024-06-01 15:54:34	teraflops	if you did reboot the computer after kernel update maybe your boot partition wasn't mounted when you installed the new kernel
2024-06-01 15:55:49	jakal	ty tera, but if that was the case, would not the whole system not load. i do get to desktop. and the system was runnig live when i did the update
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2024-06-01 15:57:11	teraflops	is /boot mounted?
2024-06-01 15:57:56	jakal	the machine is loaded into an external HD, yes i run /mnt and /mnt/boot atm while im workig on it
2024-06-01 15:58:55	teraflops	sorry I do not understand
2024-06-01 15:59:02	Namarrgon	umount /mnt/boot and check what is in /mnt/boot
2024-06-01 15:59:10	jakal	sorry maybe it is me, let me retry
2024-06-01 15:59:34	jakal	ok let me check Namarrgon 
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2024-06-01 16:05:24	jakal	ok externally unmounted the /mnt/boot then went back into chroot and looked at boot, i see grub  initramfs-linux-lts-fallback.img  initramfs-linux-lts.img  vmlinuz-linux-lts
2024-06-01 16:05:33	jakal	not sure if this is what you were asking me to do
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2024-06-01 16:07:08	Namarrgon	is /boot listed in fstab?
2024-06-01 16:07:12	jakal	teraflops, I run an external HD with 2 part, boot and fs. i mount the HD to my current linux machine to work on
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2024-06-01 16:07:19	jakal	let me take a look
2024-06-01 16:07:32	Namarrgon	If you have a separate /boot-fs then the /boot directory on the /-fs should be empty.
2024-06-01 16:08:09	Namarrgon	The kernel and initramfs being in there indicates that the /boot-fs wasn't mounted during the last kernel update.
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2024-06-01 16:09:04	jakal	ok, thank you, there does seem to be /boot missing  for the /dev/sda2
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2024-06-01 16:10:08	jakal	UUID=abc-abc-abc /             vfat            rw,relatime,stripe=4    0 2
2024-06-01 16:10:17	jakal	i set it to /boot and saved.
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2024-06-01 16:11:00	Namarrgon	Was that the only entry in fstab?
2024-06-01 16:11:56	jakal	UUID=efg-efg-efg    /               ext4            rw,relatime     0 1
2024-06-01 16:12:06	jakal	and my swap
2024-06-01 16:12:13	jakal	set to swap
2024-06-01 16:12:15	Namarrgon	So you had two entries for /?
2024-06-01 16:12:23	jakal	yes it seems so
2024-06-01 16:12:25	Namarrgon	How did that happen?
2024-06-01 16:12:37	jakal	not sure, may have been an edit i made prior
2024-06-01 16:12:43	Namarrgon	When?
2024-06-01 16:13:05	jakal	well been some time since last update... maybe month ago
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2024-06-01 16:14:05	jakal	machine has been mostly shut down as i have this machine i work from now. 
2024-06-01 16:14:47	jakal	i think i was cleaning out old fstab entries and may have msitakenly removed /boot
2024-06-01 16:15:13	Namarrgon	Remove the kernel and initramfs images from the /boot directory
2024-06-01 16:16:33	jakal	bakup too?
2024-06-01 16:17:52	jakal	ls only shows grub now
2024-06-01 16:18:01	jakal	boot is not mounted also
2024-06-01 16:18:23	Namarrgon	"bakup"?
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2024-06-01 16:18:36	jakal	initramfs-linux-lts-fallback.img 
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2024-06-01 16:19:57	jakal	all files removed from boot. boot is not mounted. boot only shows grub folder now
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2024-06-01 16:20:54	Namarrgon	What is in there?
2024-06-01 16:21:02	jakal	grub
2024-06-01 16:21:10	Namarrgon	And in there?
2024-06-01 16:21:27	jakal	onts  grub.cfg  grubenv  i386-pc  locale  themes
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2024-06-01 16:22:03	Namarrgon	Do you have a hook set up that installs grub and/or regenerates grub.cfg?
2024-06-01 16:22:10	jakal	no
2024-06-01 16:22:31	Namarrgon	Does the actual /boot-fs also have a grub directory?
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2024-06-01 16:22:49	Namarrgon	Is the system booting via UEFI?
2024-06-01 16:23:11	jakal	when i archroot to /mnt, i cd boot and see 1 folder grub. i do not have boot mounted atm
2024-06-01 16:23:18	jakal	i think i am bios boot
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2024-06-01 16:24:18	Namarrgon	Mount the /boot fs somewhere and see what's on it.
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2024-06-01 16:25:42	jakal	externally have mounted /dev/sdc2 /mnt/boot
2024-06-01 16:26:07	Namarrgon	What is in /mnt/boot now?
2024-06-01 16:26:23	jakal	wtf?
2024-06-01 16:26:25	jakal	everything
2024-06-01 16:26:35	jakal	grub  initramfs-linux-lts-fallback.img  initramfs-linux-lts.img  vmlinuz-linux-lts
2024-06-01 16:26:41	jakal	its all back?
2024-06-01 16:27:30	Namarrgon	"file /mnt/boot/vmliniz-linux-lts"
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2024-06-01 16:28:20	jakal	. /mnt/boot/vmliniz-linux-lts: cannot open `/mnt/boot/vmliniz-linux-lts' (No such file or directory)
2024-06-01 16:28:38	arsaces	liniz?
2024-06-01 16:29:01	Namarrgon	*linuz
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2024-06-01 16:29:49	jakal	file vmlinuz-linux-lts
2024-06-01 16:29:50	jakal	vmlinuz-linux-lts: Linux kernel x86 boot executable bzImage, version 6.6.31-2-lts (linux-lts@archlinux) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Wed, 22 May 2024 13:47:12 +0000, RO-rootFS, swap_dev 0XC, Normal VGA
2024-06-01 16:29:53	jakal	???
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2024-06-01 16:31:01	Namarrgon	arch-chroot back in and reinstall the linux-lts package
2024-06-01 16:31:15	jakal	ok
2024-06-01 16:31:38	jakal	boot is mounted
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2024-06-01 16:34:41	jakal	Initcpio image generation successful
2024-06-01 16:35:15	Namarrgon	umount /boot, remove the grub directory and then see if "mount -a" will mount /boot properly.
2024-06-01 16:36:42	jakal	i am still chrooted in. i try from external windos: umount: /mnt/boot: target is busy.
2024-06-01 16:36:57	jakal	need to chroot out and back in to run that command. 
2024-06-01 16:37:34	Namarrgon	"external windos"?
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2024-06-01 16:38:14	jakal	externial terminal window: i hae 1 windoe for mounteing the external HD and 1 window for chroot
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2024-06-01 16:40:03	Namarrgon	Don't randomly switch between them, you can do all this from the chroot.
2024-06-01 16:40:05	jakal	mount: /boot: can't find UUID=65c6569b-c782-4cc8-8318-a8aac1b3576b
2024-06-01 16:40:36	Namarrgon	Is the UUID in fstab correct?
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2024-06-01 16:40:56	jakal	let me check, and did not know i could mount and unmount inside chroot
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2024-06-01 16:41:59	shoenot	hello
2024-06-01 16:42:06	brittluna	hi
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2024-06-01 16:42:57	jakal	lsblk -f shows a different UUID than the fstab
2024-06-01 16:43:06	jakal	let me change that out
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2024-06-01 16:43:39	arsaces	jakal: you mount first, then chroot, or is this some speciali thing you're making?
2024-06-01 16:43:40	jakal	I think this is what did me the first time, now that i am thinking it about it
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2024-06-01 16:44:56	jakal	arsaces, i have mounted the ext hd and then i chroot /mnt
2024-06-01 16:45:36	jakal	atm updating fstab with UUID i show for sbd2 /boot
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2024-06-01 16:49:22	jakal	well this is not good
2024-06-01 16:49:29	jakal	mount: /boot: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc2
2024-06-01 16:49:43	jakal	fs is vfat i think
2024-06-01 16:50:04	Namarrgon	"blkid" will tell you
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2024-06-01 16:52:30	jakal	. /dev/sdc2: UUID="813B-538A" BLOCK_SIZE="512" TYPE="vfat" PARTLABEL="EFI" PARTUUID="f0809750-fd1f-4119-903b-fedbd898912b"
2024-06-01 16:52:51	jakal	i set fstab to uuid=813b /boot
2024-06-01 16:54:02	jakal	UUID=813B-538A /boot        vfat            rw,relatime,stripe=4    0 2
2024-06-01 16:57:32	Namarrgon	What does "stripe" do on vfat?
2024-06-01 16:57:32	arsaces	it's not 813b
2024-06-01 16:58:10	Namarrgon	Why is there an ESP if the system boots in legacy mode?
2024-06-01 16:58:20	jakal	ok, i set fstab to uuid the partuuid and ran mount -a
2024-06-01 16:58:38	Namarrgon	Well, the UUID is 813B-538A.
2024-06-01 16:58:48	jakal	no error out
2024-06-01 16:58:54	Namarrgon	But you can use the PARTUUID in fstab if you really want to.
2024-06-01 16:59:11	jakal	its holding i think, how to chcek that mount -a workd?
2024-06-01 16:59:25	Namarrgon	Was the /boot fs mounted?
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2024-06-01 17:00:36	jakal	inside chroot i run lsblk and the only mount point i see is sdc3 to /
2024-06-01 17:00:49	jakal	so that did not work
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2024-06-01 17:01:43	Namarrgon	Does "mount /boot" print any errors to the terminal or the kernel log?
2024-06-01 17:02:40	jakal	mount: /boot: can't find in /etc/fstab.
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2024-06-01 17:02:57	jakal	let me reset back original UUID of dev and retry
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2024-06-01 17:05:13	jakal	set uuid back to 813B ran mount /boot
2024-06-01 17:05:15	jakal	mount: /boot: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc2, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.
2024-06-01 17:05:15	jakal	       dmesg(1) may have more information after failed mount system call.
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2024-06-01 17:05:58	Namarrgon	okay, leave that for later. Did you reinstall the kernel?
2024-06-01 17:06:17	jakal	i beleive we did that earlier, yes?
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2024-06-01 17:06:40	Namarrgon	Then umount everything, reboot and see if it boots into the installed kernel.
2024-06-01 17:07:11	jakal	ok
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2024-06-01 17:08:40	shoenot	is there a terminal utility for configuring fonts? like enabling antialiasing and changing system fonts etc. without having to manually edit conf files?
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2024-06-01 17:10:32	jakal	failed to mount /boot
2024-06-01 17:10:45	bookworm	if you use a DE you can probably use their settings thingy... gsettings for gnome
2024-06-01 17:10:54	Namarrgon	jakal: Does "uname -r" match "pacman -Q linux-lts" now?
2024-06-01 17:11:11	jakal	let me check
2024-06-01 17:12:02	shoenot	bookworm: I'm using hyprland
2024-06-01 17:12:12	jakal	interesting enough, yes. 6.6.32-1
2024-06-01 17:12:12	bookworm	that's a no then
2024-06-01 17:12:45	Namarrgon	jakal: Now fix the fstab entry and you should be good to go.
2024-06-01 17:13:00	jakal	im not sure how to do that
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2024-06-01 17:13:18	Namarrgon	Make sure that /boot gets mounted automatically on boot or on access, or you will run into this problem again.
2024-06-01 17:13:29	Namarrgon	"mount /boot" and check the errors
2024-06-01 17:13:52	teraflops	shoenot: what are you after specifically?
2024-06-01 17:14:03	jakal	mount: /boot: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc2, missing codepage or helper program, or other error
2024-06-01 17:14:34	jakal	i am booted into the system and was drooped into root
2024-06-01 17:14:35	shoenot	teraflops: mainly enabling antialiasing and changing the default fonts across my apps. this is a fresh arch install
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2024-06-01 17:15:36	Namarrgon	jakal: Recheck all the fields in fstab, at least on of them is wrong.
2024-06-01 17:15:53	teraflops	antialias is easy, the default font across apps could be tricky
2024-06-01 17:16:10	jakal	Namarrgon, i think i am confused. the machine never booted to desktop. i was ablto to get to terminal login for password, but get failed to mount error 
2024-06-01 17:16:27	Namarrgon	jakal: Yes, that is what happens when the system fails to mount a local fs.
2024-06-01 17:16:35	jakal	i have a password on my main fs
2024-06-01 17:17:24	Namarrgon	What do you mean?
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2024-06-01 17:18:40	jakal	I have a 2 partition system on this External HD, 1 part is encrypted, the boot is not. I am able to get to the point of enter password for part, but after that i get the error Faile to mount /boot and i am dropped into root shell
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2024-06-01 17:19:14	Namarrgon	Okay? Now fix your fstab.
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2024-06-01 17:21:21	jakal	ok fstab has the following line for boot
2024-06-01 17:22:11	jakal	UUID=813b-534 /boot vfat rw,relaime,stripe=4 0 2
2024-06-01 17:22:25	jakal	what needs to be corrected?
2024-06-01 17:22:33	Namarrgon	At least the UUID.
2024-06-01 17:22:37	Gnana_	Oh yeah
2024-06-01 17:22:39	jakal	that is the UUID
2024-06-01 17:22:43	Namarrgon	No, it's too short
2024-06-01 17:23:11	Gnana_	Damm man comon man dd man
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2024-06-01 17:23:22	jakal	 . /dev/sdc2: UUID="813B-538A" BLOCK_SIZE="512" TYPE="vfat" PARTLABEL="EFI" PARTUUID="f0809750-fd1f-4119-903b-fedbd898912b"
2024-06-01 17:23:35	Gnana_	👍
2024-06-01 17:23:52	Gnana_	Now it will change it to null
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2024-06-01 17:24:25	Gnana_	Now they are thinking
2024-06-01 17:24:32	Gnana_	Lol haha haha 
2024-06-01 17:24:43	Namarrgon	Gnana_: Do you need help with something?
2024-06-01 17:25:19	Gnana_	Sorry.. 😔
2024-06-01 17:25:31	Gnana_	Okay I'm going background
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2024-06-01 17:41:47	jakal	its working!
2024-06-01 17:42:13	jakal	that is the right UUID="813B-538A
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2024-06-01 17:42:32	jakal	dont ask me how it works tho, i set that UUID also to just /
2024-06-01 17:42:46	jakal	i dont have a /boot on that UUID
2024-06-01 17:43:56	jakal	the /boot is on the encrypeted root part, the only thing on the UUID8138 is grub and linux no boot folder
2024-06-01 17:44:14	Scimmia	then why do you have it in fstab to be mounted to /boot?
2024-06-01 17:44:18	jakal	symlinked somehow
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2024-06-01 17:44:35	jakal	im not sure scimia
2024-06-01 17:44:51	jakal	thought that was sop
2024-06-01 17:44:52	Scimmia	wait, you're looking for a /boot dir on that partition? That makes no sense
2024-06-01 17:44:58	jakal	yes
2024-06-01 17:45:12	Scimmia	so this is just confusion on how the *nix filesystem works
2024-06-01 17:45:24	jakal	yes
2024-06-01 17:45:43	jakal	my god man, YES! lol ty Namarrgon A lot!!!
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2024-06-01 17:47:11	jakal	also to teraflops and grawity TYVM ALL!
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2024-06-01 17:48:50	jakal	and thankkkkkkkkk you Scimmia lol
2024-06-01 17:50:09	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-06-01 18:14:34	spoutnik	Hello all, what is the procedure to remove the arch logo from GDM ? `gsettings set org.gnome.login-screen logo ''` fails when run as root for some reason
2024-06-01 18:14:55	spoutnik	Weird error too `Broken pipe`
2024-06-01 18:28:41	jakal	this is great, updating now again thank you all. 
2024-06-01 18:29:36	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-06-01 18:32:21	teraflops	spoutnik: use aur/gdm-settings
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2024-06-01 18:35:53	spoutnik	Just got disconnected but to whomever replied that did the trick thank you so much
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2024-06-01 18:36:06	teraflops	:)
2024-06-01 18:36:49	spoutnik	Just for knowledge, is it a user permission thing ? Why cannot root change the dconf values ?
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2024-06-01 18:38:09	teraflops	permissions
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2024-06-01 18:38:42	teraflops	you have to switch to gdm user
2024-06-01 18:38:47	teraflops	machinectl shell gdm@ /bin/bash
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2024-06-01 18:44:42	spoutnik	I tried this but got a `This account is currently not available.` error
2024-06-01 18:45:32	spoutnik	Ok I did not know about machinectl interesting
2024-06-01 18:45:49	spoutnik	Thank you for that I will go down the rabbit hole
2024-06-01 18:46:16	teraflops	check the wiki 
2024-06-01 18:46:18	teraflops	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GDM
2024-06-01 18:46:19	phrik	Title: GDM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-06-01 18:49:57	spoutnik	Yep read diagonally and missed that one, thanks guys
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2024-06-01 19:56:56	mpan	arsaces: the talk was in the context of an adversary having access to the computer and being able to modify it. This is the premise of the entire problem. It’s given it can be done.
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2024-06-01 19:58:04	mpan	arsaces: by talking openly I mean: it will not cause trouble to the channel (the person got banned and quit from here).
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2024-06-01 20:23:58	arsaces	lol 
2024-06-01 20:24:11	arsaces	that's a nice way to end the discussion
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2024-06-01 21:41:17	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-06-01 21:41:17	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1454 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1453 regular)
2024-06-01 21:18:43	shoenot	is there a (preferably vertical) status bar that works out of the box with hyprland? i don’t want fancy customization, just want something that shows me the time, date, workspaces and lets me adjust volume
2024-06-01 21:19:00	wantyapps	vertical?
2024-06-01 21:19:04	wantyapps	may I ask why?
2024-06-01 21:19:40	Betal	Iam getting a systemd service error after unlocking luks on boot https://bpa.st/raw/ICLQ , using systemd-boot and dracut, wonder if systemd is trying to unlock root partition two times, after booting I have one service degraded ( the systemd-cryptsetup@luks\x2dad2d7848\x...), some usefull outputs https://bpa.st/raw/FKIQ , any idea how to fix this?
2024-06-01 21:20:27	shoenot	wantyapps: i’m currently constrained to a 1080p screen again and the vertical space is already driving me nuts
2024-06-01 21:20:36	wantyapps	Ohh
2024-06-01 21:20:40	wantyapps	welp
2024-06-01 21:20:45	wantyapps	I think polybar has a vertical option
2024-06-01 21:20:47	shoenot	don’t want to lose 20 something pixels to a bar on the top
2024-06-01 21:20:48	wantyapps	don't quote me on that tho
2024-06-01 21:20:59	shoenot	polybar? i’ll look into that, thanks!
2024-06-01 21:21:03	wantyapps	shoenot: that's what I thought too, but a person's preferences is a person's preferences
2024-06-01 21:21:23	wantyapps	surprised that you don't already know about it.
2024-06-01 21:21:35	wantyapps	it's really quite nice
2024-06-01 21:22:14	wantyapps	it supports a whole lot of WMs but works the best with i3 and its relatives
2024-06-01 21:22:28	shoenot	oh no, yeah you can’t use it with hyprland wantyapps
2024-06-01 21:22:34	wantyapps	really??
2024-06-01 21:22:36	shoenot	i think that’s what i used with bspwm back in the day
2024-06-01 21:22:38	shoenot	wantyapps: yeah
2024-06-01 21:22:39	wantyapps	that's a bummer
2024-06-01 21:22:45	shoenot	it doesn’t support wayland
2024-06-01 21:22:51	wantyapps	ohhh
2024-06-01 21:22:54	wantyapps	right
2024-06-01 21:27:18	dorkmafia	is there a guide on how to increase the size of my root partition without a live cd?
2024-06-01 21:27:56	wantyapps	can't change the size of a partition you are currently using.
2024-06-01 21:29:25	dorkmafia	can't i boot into safe mode or something with grub?
2024-06-01 21:30:00	wantyapps	nope
2024-06-01 21:30:03	wantyapps	you new to linux? :)
2024-06-01 21:30:26	wantyapps	booting into safe mode would mean you using your already configured os... which is on the disk you are repartitioning
2024-06-01 21:30:53	Betal	wantyapps: he said 'increase' this usually is possible live, reduce that is a problem
2024-06-01 21:30:54	dorkmafia	i thought there was a reocvery 
2024-06-01 21:31:03	wantyapps	a grub shell. not a linux shell
2024-06-01 21:31:11	gromit	dorkmafia: why cant you use a live iso? 
2024-06-01 21:31:14	wantyapps	maybe you can partition a disk through grub, but I wouldn't recommend that too
2024-06-01 21:31:19	wantyapps	and grub also runs on your partitions :)
2024-06-01 21:31:27	Betal	dorkmafia: what partition is this? ext4, xfs, btrfs ?
2024-06-01 21:31:34	Betal	or it is the main partition
2024-06-01 21:31:41	Betal	filesystem*
2024-06-01 21:32:10	dorkmafia	i two parititions one for arch and one for my home dir
2024-06-01 21:32:19	dorkmafia	it's the arch one that needs to get a bit bigger
2024-06-01 21:32:39	dorkmafia	i should have done 64 instead of 32
2024-06-01 21:32:54	dorkmafia	am I able to resize that one live?
2024-06-01 21:32:55	quantum`	Anyone know forwarding?  server can reach either.  But LAN can not reach cameras on a different CIDR.  Forwarding is def enabled.
2024-06-01 21:33:04	gromit	quantum`: what? 
2024-06-01 21:33:14	quantum`	On the server I can curl 10.2.5.60, but not from the LAN.  Network & firewall details:  paste.ec/paste/Fd+r8qV9#LV3durYdpy97yqfv-PQEic4XAPYugaHPEnJOKOSwwkO
2024-06-01 21:33:35	Namarrgon	dorkmafia: Growing a partition isn't a big deal but moving the start of a partition is expensive.
2024-06-01 21:38:12	Namarrgon	dorkmafia: What is taking up all that space?
2024-06-01 21:39:09	imGhani	Hi, need help with i915 lspcon error when booting up. I am using laptop and there is no error with lts kernel version.
2024-06-01 21:39:28	imGhani	Thanks in advance
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2024-06-01 21:41:27	dorkmafia	Namarrgon: 10gb in usr and 10 gb in var
2024-06-01 21:42:15	dorkmafia	i cleared my cache and journal and freed up some space but still gonna run out again
2024-06-01 21:42:21	dorkmafia	at some point
2024-06-01 21:42:25	gromit	imGhani: could you share your full dmsg please? 
2024-06-01 21:42:44	gromit	!give imGhani rs
2024-06-01 21:42:45	phrik	imGhani: <command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2024-06-01 21:42:56	imGhani	gromit: this is actual message kernel: i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] *ERROR* Failed to probe lspcon
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2024-06-01 21:44:16	gromit	imGhani: which kernel version are you testing that does not work? (uname -a)
2024-06-01 21:44:50	dorkmafia	the cuda package is really big
2024-06-01 21:45:02	dorkmafia	like 4gb insatlled
2024-06-01 21:45:11	imGhani	gromit:  Linux version 6.9.3-arch1-1
2024-06-01 21:45:28	gromit	imGhani: did it work with linux 6.9.2? 
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2024-06-01 21:45:49	imGhani	gromit: no 
2024-06-01 21:46:24	dorkmafia	there is like 3gb in my systemd/coredump
2024-06-01 21:46:26	gromit	imGhani: could you try the latest mainline kernel? you can install it with pacman -U https://pkgbuild.com/~gromit/linux-bisection-kernels/linux-mainline-6.10rc1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
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2024-06-01 21:47:25	gromit	imGhani: also please share the full dmesg 
2024-06-01 21:47:42	imGhani	gromit: https://paste.rs/4xhjI
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2024-06-01 21:48:44	gromit	ah nvm, the nvidia drivers seem to be involved, no clue then
2024-06-01 21:49:01	gromit	Maybe someone else can help
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2024-06-01 21:53:53	teraflops	https://paste.priet.us/screenshot_2024-06-01-21-53-00.png ;)
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2024-06-01 21:54:09	teraflops	gdm is full of arch logos
2024-06-01 21:54:34	mefistofeles	lol
2024-06-01 21:54:38	mefistofeles	arch overload
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2024-06-01 21:56:34	xx	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:Project_Leader#Triggering_of_elections
2024-06-01 21:56:35	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:Project Leader - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-01 21:56:45	xx	does the sentence "The election of the Arch Linux Leader can triggered by any of the following conditions: " make sense?
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2024-06-01 21:57:07	mefistofeles	xx: no
2024-06-01 21:57:16	teraflops	are you planning a revolution? :P
2024-06-01 21:57:26	xx	hostile takeover ;)
2024-06-01 21:57:27	mefistofeles	kill the king
2024-06-01 21:57:39	xx	archlinuxx
2024-06-01 21:57:55	mefistofeles	lol
2024-06-01 21:58:08	teraflops	haha
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2024-06-01 22:08:51	imGhani	gromit: same error when booting up with linux 6.10 rc1
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2024-06-01 22:12:18	another|	Namarrgon: 
2024-06-01 22:12:24	another|	oops. sorry
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2024-06-01 22:20:09	demonicm1niac1	just curious, has there ever been more than one candidate willing and nominated? feels more like something you need to find at least 1 sap willing to take on the responsibility :D
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2024-06-01 22:24:30	gromit	demonicm1niac1: yes that has apparently been the case in anthraxx initial election 
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2024-06-01 22:24:51	Web_Anon	hello
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2024-06-01 22:25:10	gromit	!give Web_Anon welcomerpg
2024-06-01 22:25:11	phrik	Web_Anon: Greetings, observer of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get destroyed on this day?
2024-06-01 22:25:40	Web_Anon	I just came to say hi
2024-06-01 22:26:02	Web_Anon	do people just join #archlinux cuz something broke?
2024-06-01 22:26:19	demonicm1niac1	gromit: interesting!
2024-06-01 22:26:21	BrainDamage	considering this is a support channel, yes
2024-06-01 22:26:46	Web_Anon	ah
2024-06-01 22:26:56	Web_Anon	didn't know that
2024-06-01 22:27:04	cbus	web_anon, yes can you fix my machine? :P
2024-06-01 22:27:10	demonicm1niac1	or they lurk 24/7
2024-06-01 22:27:11	Web_Anon	pfffff
2024-06-01 22:27:27	another|	demonicm1niac1: never! :P
2024-06-01 22:27:54	Web_Anon	sure. if you can give me your IP/DNS and the port of your pc I'll remote access in and try 
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2024-06-01 22:28:02	gromit	xx: fixed the sentence :) 
2024-06-01 22:28:04	cbus	and credit card number!
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2024-06-01 22:28:56	xx	gromit: thanks
2024-06-01 22:29:12	Web_Anon	I do want to know something tho.. in all seriousness
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2024-06-01 22:29:52	Web_Anon	by using Arch Linux as a bootable from an external ssd... will it always go out of sync for rtc / clock
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2024-06-01 22:31:39	xx	no
2024-06-01 22:32:04	Web_Anon	I'm on a laptop with a broken battery
2024-06-01 22:32:31	Web_Anon	I usually fix it by booting back to windows 10 and syncing up the hardware clock
2024-06-01 22:33:03	demonicm1niac1	a broken laptop battery will not pose an issue for the rtc which is powered by the cmos clock
2024-06-01 22:33:28	xx	unless the rtc battery is dead too
2024-06-01 22:33:32	grawity	do laptops still have one?
2024-06-01 22:33:46	xx	mine does
2024-06-01 22:33:49	demonicm1niac1	yes
2024-06-01 22:34:01	xx	but my laptop also has a detachable battery
2024-06-01 22:34:09	Web_Anon	well.....
2024-06-01 22:34:22	Web_Anon	it doesn't turn on anymore if it's not plugged in
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2024-06-01 22:35:05	Web_Anon	when I was troubleshooting it said something about a dead rtc battery
2024-06-01 22:35:44	Web_Anon	sometimes it just randomly works
2024-06-01 22:35:49	Web_Anon	out of nowhere
2024-06-01 22:35:59	Web_Anon	and clock gets fix
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2024-06-01 22:45:18	BrainDamage	depending on how you configured your ntp client, some will refuse to sync if the gap is too large
2024-06-01 22:46:58	BrainDamage	you have 2 times, one is the rtc and the other is the system time, the latter is kept by the kernel, the first one is kept by the hw rtc
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2024-06-01 23:03:16	Web_Anon	I'd prefer it to just autosync when I go online
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2024-06-02 01:25:46	pushrad	that worked!
2024-06-02 01:26:25	pushrad	cheers
2024-06-02 01:26:36	MacGyver	pushrad: I should mention I *do not understand* the uaccess mechanism.
2024-06-02 01:26:59	MacGyver	pushrad: So I don't know if there's any unexpected side effects to this.
2024-06-02 01:27:08	MacGyver	https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/4288
2024-06-02 01:27:17	MacGyver	"Document the uaccess mechanism" -- open since 2016.
2024-06-02 01:29:40	demonicm1niac1	hrm. it's kind of frustrating that all browsers don't accept any file:/// for loads of things anymore :/ i don't wanna run a webserver to serve this shit
2024-06-02 01:31:37	⚡ 	pushrad nods
2024-06-02 01:34:35	shoenot	MacGyver: I just ended up doing it in cron
2024-06-02 01:34:55	shoenot	it works
2024-06-02 01:38:56	steve_	demonicm1niac: darkhttd is really simple to setup static webserver
2024-06-02 01:39:05	steve_	*darkhttpd
2024-06-02 01:49:19	demonicm1niac1	firefox at least lets you disable it still in about:config tho it's convoluted
2024-06-02 01:51:46	steve_	so firefox must have disabled that functionality not so long ago, last i checked was beginning of the year as i was doing some html/css stuff
2024-06-02 01:53:35	demonicm1niac1	it's mostly scripts that won't get loaded
2024-06-02 01:54:28	BrainDamage	which config is it? I don't remember changing it and file:/// works here, at least in the url bar
2024-06-02 01:55:18	demonicm1niac1	BrainDamage: yeah to clarify - loading html with <script> in it won't load the scripts. file:/// works and html/css works but js doesn't
2024-06-02 01:56:06	demonicm1niac1	BrainDamage: steve_: Modern browsers usually treat the origin of files loaded using the file:/// schema as opaque origins. What this means is that if a file includes other files from the same folder (say), they are not assumed to come from the same origin, and may trigger CORS errors.
2024-06-02 02:00:16	demonicm1niac1	disabled security.fileuri.strict_origin_policy and security.fileuri.same_origin
2024-06-02 02:01:41	parakovsky	any firefox hardware video acceleration specialists in the chat? it doesn't work for some of the websites for me (ufcfightpass) and it make my old t440p heating like a barbecue trough the summer. i used to be able to forward it to mpv with yt-dlp but now it seems it couldn't merge the codecs so it give me an exit code 234
2024-06-02 02:01:52	parakovsky	probably a wrong place to ask this tho, altough i am indeed on archlinux
2024-06-02 02:02:28	demonicm1niac1	yt-dlp -F on the url to list what codecs are available
2024-06-02 02:02:34	parakovsky	one sec
2024-06-02 02:02:43	demonicm1niac1	and then edit your mpv.conf accordingly for formats preferred/wanted
2024-06-02 02:03:52	parakovsky	demonicm1niac1: think any of those codecs can be stomached? https://paste.rs/cv5vS
2024-06-02 02:05:14	demonicm1niac1	sure all of them could. they are not dash split audio/video but one video containing audio
2024-06-02 02:05:21	parakovsky	hmmmmm.....
2024-06-02 02:05:26	demonicm1niac1	if you say "cant be merged" you seemingly have bestvideo+bestaudio or stuff in conf
2024-06-02 02:05:35	parakovsky	yeah that's it
2024-06-02 02:05:42	parakovsky	sorry what's the line to pipe it to mpv correctly
2024-06-02 02:05:48	parakovsky	seems i've been trying to save it all wrong
2024-06-02 02:05:48	demonicm1niac1	mpv --ytdl-format=hls-5 url
2024-06-02 02:05:56	parakovsky	ok one sec
2024-06-02 02:08:14	parakovsky	a bit confusing what brackets to use for auth part with mpv it used to be like this for yt-dlp url --username --password but mpv i think couldn't parse it this way
2024-06-02 02:09:44	parakovsky	https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/commit/633147c9596177d42d9651aaf101a426d754cb7c
2024-06-02 02:09:53	parakovsky	seems to be this, anyway thanks for your help appreciated
2024-06-02 02:10:22	demonicm1niac1	it's easier to export cookies
2024-06-02 02:10:33	parakovsky	oh yeah maybe, let me find how to do that
2024-06-02 02:10:35	demonicm1niac1	from your browser to be consumed by mpv
2024-06-02 02:12:04	demonicm1niac1	yt-dlp --cookies-from-browser yourbrowser
2024-06-02 02:12:56	parakovsky	seems not to work somehow
2024-06-02 02:13:54	demonicm1niac1	in what way doesn't work
2024-06-02 02:14:24	parakovsky	so... trying to add cookies from browser to mpv.conf with ytdl-raw-options whcih according to my research should work
2024-06-02 02:14:46	demonicm1niac1	yt-dlp --cookies-from-browser yourbrowser --cookies ~/.mycookies.txt and then in mpv.conf ytdl-raw-options=cookies=~/.mycookies.txt
2024-06-02 02:15:38	parakovsky	thank you for this
2024-06-02 02:15:40	parakovsky	let me try it once more
2024-06-02 02:17:21	parakovsky	ok export of cookies done as well as pointing to it in mpv file
2024-06-02 02:17:28	parakovsky	let's see if that thing actually gonna stream it now
2024-06-02 02:19:06	parakovsky	so if everything done right the simple mpv --ytdl-format=hls-5 https://ufcfightpass.com/live/264950 should work right? however it still asks for username password, maybe forgot some other flag
2024-06-02 02:19:07	phrik	Title: UFC 302: PRELIMS (at ufcfightpass.com)
2024-06-02 02:20:57	demonicm1niac1	dunno that's how it works for me for twitch and youtube at least yeah
2024-06-02 02:21:13	parakovsky	yeah it seems mpv somehow didn't catch that config line i think
2024-06-02 02:21:28	parakovsky	ytdl-raw-options=cookies=~/.mycookies.txt right? 
2024-06-02 02:21:37	demonicm1niac1	might have to be absolute and not ~/
2024-06-02 02:21:55	MacGyver	I'm not sure the ~ works in ytdl-raw-options.
2024-06-02 02:22:03	parakovsky	yeah my thought as well
2024-06-02 02:22:12	parakovsky	let's test it one more with absolute vodka path
2024-06-02 02:22:15	demonicm1niac1	mine is absolute but i didn't wanna confuse by putting /home/username/
2024-06-02 02:23:11	parakovsky	hmmm
2024-06-02 02:25:41	MacGyver	I'm also not sure which cookies it will pick if both cookies-from-browser and a cookies file is used.
2024-06-02 02:26:30	demonicm1niac1	oh i mean you run yt-dlp --cookies-from-browser chromium --cookies ~/.mycookies.txt to extract the cookies from browser once and put them in the cookie jar ~/.mycookies.txt
2024-06-02 02:26:49	parakovsky	yeah i think it will look for a file
2024-06-02 02:26:52	demonicm1niac1	in mpv.conf you just have the ytdl-raw-options=cookies=theextractedcookies
2024-06-02 02:27:27	MacGyver	But if --cookies-from-browser doesn't work, I have low hopes that dumping them to file and using that *will* work.
2024-06-02 02:27:35	demonicm1niac1	that's just convenience to not always have to parse the browser cookies anytime you start mpv
2024-06-02 02:27:58	parakovsky	ok for the sake of the argument guys what's the correct way to wrap arround --username --password options while using mpv with yt-dlp? it seems to be "ytdl-raw-options=--username bill@gates.com --passsword= marimba" no? 
2024-06-02 02:28:39	MacGyver	parakovsky: The syntax needs some work.
2024-06-02 02:28:47	parakovsky	yep.... think so
2024-06-02 02:28:58	MacGyver	parakovsky: You leave off the --.
2024-06-02 02:29:05	parakovsky	aha! 
2024-06-02 02:29:06	MacGyver	parakovsky: And you need to use comma-separation.
2024-06-02 02:29:13	parakovsky	okay
2024-06-02 02:29:16	parakovsky	one secundo
2024-06-02 02:29:25	MacGyver	parakovsky: So ytdl-raw-options=username=bill@gates.com,password=marimba"
2024-06-02 02:29:35	MacGyver	Uh, without that closing ".
2024-06-02 02:30:22	parakovsky	thank you let me test it once more
2024-06-02 02:30:40	parakovsky	there are some excellent fights i am missing but it is a bargain to finally be able to not overheat me poor equipment
2024-06-02 02:31:34	MacGyver	Think of it like this, you're currently wrestling your PC into doing what you want.
2024-06-02 02:31:39	MacGyver	You're *part* of the fights.
2024-06-02 02:31:43	Web_Anon	I'm back I just finished install arch and sway
2024-06-02 02:31:54	Web_Anon	what's the directory for adding shortcuts to sway?
2024-06-02 02:32:03	Web_Anon	was in /etc/sway/config?
2024-06-02 02:32:08	parakovsky	.config/sway
2024-06-02 02:32:12	parakovsky	~/.config/sway
2024-06-02 02:32:12	Web_Anon	thanks
2024-06-02 02:32:33	MacGyver	Web_Anon: Desktop shortcuts?
2024-06-02 02:32:38	MacGyver	Web_Anon: Or keys?
2024-06-02 02:32:39	Web_Anon	yep
2024-06-02 02:32:41	Web_Anon	keys
2024-06-02 02:33:00	MacGyver	Web_Anon: Ah, because otherwise you'd need .local/share/applications, probably.
2024-06-02 02:33:11	Web_Anon	gonna copy what they have on hyprland hyprdots to sway keys shortcut
2024-06-02 02:33:35	parakovsky	so you think something like this would work right? mpv --ytdl-format=hls-5 ytdl-raw-options=username=satoshi@mamamoto.jp,password=QUrWcKkS37R6Lbv https://ufcfightpass.com/live/264950 
2024-06-02 02:33:37	phrik	Title: UFC 302: PRELIMS (at ufcfightpass.com)
2024-06-02 02:34:06	parakovsky	unfortunatelly it seems to think the second argument is a file and returns cannot open file 'ytdl-raw-options=username=
2024-06-02 02:34:08	MacGyver	parakovsky: I hope that wasn't your actual password.
2024-06-02 02:34:17	⚡ 	parakovsky feels pretty stupid
2024-06-02 02:34:22	parakovsky	of course it was
2024-06-02 02:34:46	MacGyver	Good password.
2024-06-02 02:35:43	parakovsky	damn just can't parse it
2024-06-02 02:35:47	parakovsky	seems am loosing this fight
2024-06-02 02:36:06	MacGyver	The @ in the username may be tripping up bash?
2024-06-02 02:36:10	Web_Anon	/.config/sway is where I place all the shortcuts?
2024-06-02 02:36:18	parakovsky	Web_Anon: yes
2024-06-02 02:36:28	Web_Anon	thanks
2024-06-02 02:36:28	MacGyver	Web_Anon: ~/.config/sway
2024-06-02 02:36:36	Web_Anon	already there
2024-06-02 02:36:41	MacGyver	Web_Anon: Not /.config/sway
2024-06-02 02:36:41	parakovsky	MacGyver: seems to remember there must be some quotes somewhere in there to let it understand it.... 
2024-06-02 02:37:23	parakovsky	yeah the correct location is somethnig like /home/parakovsky/.config/sway/config actually
2024-06-02 02:38:04	Web_Anon	I'll take a look using ranger
2024-06-02 02:45:17	parakovsky	ok so going back to my original problem, ma first mistake was that one was assuming that downloading stuff behind the auth wall for a live streaming event and a normal videos will use the same procedure, was wrong, because yt-dlp seems to hook up alight with static videos and --username --password flags. 
2024-06-02 02:45:39	parakovsky	now the problem is to learn to integrate the live video and parse it to mpv with the right hooks, working on that gentelmans
2024-06-02 02:45:40	rarebird25	Hi all. I'm trying to install a package that will help me create custom keyboard shortcuts for things. I installed xbindkeys, but since I have a full-size keyboard and thought it would make things easier, I want a GUI option. I found an article in the Arch wiki that says to install xbindkeys_config-gtk2, but the build for that keeps failing. Does anyone have any suggestions on what to do here?
2024-06-02 02:47:50	Web_Anon	ah.. yeah i don't see it
2024-06-02 02:48:22	Web_Anon	https://0x0.st/Xqrk.png
2024-06-02 02:53:12	parakovsky	ok so the auth problem was solved to just add the -u -p flags to yt-dlp config file! 
2024-06-02 02:53:13	parakovsky	pretty neat
2024-06-02 02:54:14	parakovsky	however my ffmpeg seems to be not able to parse their audio track and decide to just stumble on a green screen sorta with those errors
2024-06-02 02:54:33	parakovsky	[ffmpeg/audio] aac: Number of bands (43) exceeds limit (42).
2024-06-02 02:54:34	parakovsky	Error decoding audio.
2024-06-02 02:54:57	parakovsky	but thank you guys, will eventually to work it out. maybe installing a git version of the latter will solve it
2024-06-02 03:00:22	s3g00	Hi, why the hell Compressing package stage with yay takes so friking long?
2024-06-02 03:00:44	s3g00	like, it takes 2 to 5 minutes for installing stuff like brave-bin
2024-06-02 03:01:15	JetpackJackson	i think you can disable it iirc (at least with paru you can (i think))
2024-06-02 03:01:28	espresso	JetpackJackson: correct. some apps allow configuring
2024-06-02 03:01:36	JetpackJackson	oh cool
2024-06-02 03:01:47	demonicm1niac1	parakovsky: you can try different hls or you can try streamlink instead for livestream
2024-06-02 03:02:38	JetpackJackson	ok now i remember i disabled it cause it was slow on my hardware lol
2024-06-02 03:02:46	parakovsky	demonicm1niac1 was thinking about it actually but the latter doesn't have fightpass plugin any more, trying to have ffmepeg-git thing installed instead the default first, it seems to be a bit more advanced than normal thing, but thank you  
2024-06-02 03:03:03	parakovsky	will try diff hls streams indeed, was not doing well with the 2 tested
2024-06-02 03:03:24	parakovsky	[ffmpeg/audio] aac: Number of bands (59) exceeds limit (42).
2024-06-02 03:03:26	parakovsky	hmmmmmm
2024-06-02 03:07:28	espresso	JetpackJackson: Not clear on what I was remembering.. Not seeing compression options in man pacman.conf/paru.conf, but there is a way to pass options to makepkg.
2024-06-02 03:17:27	MacGyver	s3g00: You set the compression in makepkg.conf
2024-06-02 03:18:09	s3g00	i dont think so, how do I do that?
2024-06-02 03:18:11	MacGyver	s3g00: E.g., I set my locally built packages' compression with COMPRESSZST=(zstd -c -z -q -T12 -15 -)
2024-06-02 03:18:54	s3g00	~/.config/yay/ is empty
2024-06-02 03:19:12	MacGyver	s3g00: The default is set in /etc/makepkg.conf, a per-user override is set in ~/.config/pacman/makepkg.conf
2024-06-02 03:19:14	espresso	 /etc/makepkg.conf - yeah, that's where I saw it.
2024-06-02 03:19:58	s3g00	should I edit the default or the user override? i dont want to fuck things up rn
2024-06-02 03:20:10	espresso	If you want system-wide, I would use a drop-in in /etc/makepkg.conf.d/
2024-06-02 03:20:41	s3g00	drop-in? wym?
2024-06-02 03:20:50	s3g00	english is not my main lang
2024-06-02 03:22:51	espresso	!give s3g00 aw drop-in
2024-06-02 03:22:52	phrik	s3g00: Drop-in file - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Drop-in_file
2024-06-02 03:24:08	s3g00	ok ty
2024-06-02 03:34:35	glitsj16	rarebird15: looks like that AUR package needs a fix to build with gcc 14
2024-06-02 03:51:35	JetpackJackson	espresso: yeah that was the one lol oops
2024-06-02 04:12:35	rarebird15	Okay, that sees it and that it's fully charged.
2024-06-02 04:12:57	rarebird15	I'll unplug the laptop and see what happens.
2024-06-02 04:14:09	rarebird15	Now I get the same two lines when I do acpi -b, except they both say discharging instead of one saying full and one saying discharging.
2024-06-02 04:14:52	rarebird15	Oh, I guess I have two batteries, or at least acpi thinks so.
2024-06-02 04:16:11	rarebird15	grep -r . /sys/class/power_supply/BAT*/ only sees one.
2024-06-02 04:16:57	rarebird15	Why is it saying rate information unavailable, and is there a way to get rid of the second battery?
2024-06-02 04:41:27	rarebird15	Okay, after soom web searches, I figured out that acpi -b is showing two batteries because it's picking up that I have a wireless keyboard with batteries connected. I  can ignore battery1. I didn't find a way to get it to show discharge rate for battery0 though.
2024-06-02 04:41:39	rarebird15	*some
2024-06-02 04:52:08	leo2	hi
2024-06-02 05:02:11	alad	ih
2024-06-02 06:30:05	Web_Anon	I tried using curl "F=whatever.png" https://0x0.st inside ranger
2024-06-02 06:30:12	Web_Anon	Via shell
2024-06-02 06:30:15	Web_Anon	And it crashed
2024-06-02 06:58:25	Web_Anon	is it not possible to send images to 0x0.st with ranger crashing?
2024-06-02 06:58:38	espresso	Web_Anon: oh, welcome back!
2024-06-02 06:59:13	Web_Anon	hey
2024-06-02 06:59:24	espresso	maybe try `0x0.sh <file>` ?
2024-06-02 06:59:34	espresso	oh, do you have the script?
2024-06-02 07:00:13	Web_Anon	i usually just do curl -F to 0x0
2024-06-02 07:00:26	Web_Anon	tried it with ranger for the 1st time earlier and it crashed XD
2024-06-02 07:00:35	espresso	<mingdao>   Web_Anon: Use my script for it:  https://techfix.me/files/0x0.sh.txt < LOL, I guess you could have the script
2024-06-02 07:00:38	Web_Anon	.png
2024-06-02 07:01:21	espresso	oh, so it's failing in a particular context
2024-06-02 07:01:29	Web_Anon	just ranger
2024-06-02 07:01:35	espresso	right
2024-06-02 07:01:50	Web_Anon	ranget :shell and curl -F = crash
2024-06-02 07:01:57	Web_Anon	ranger°
2024-06-02 07:02:29	archdemon	why are you using ranger for this?
2024-06-02 07:03:26	Web_Anon	just tinkerering.
2024-06-02 07:03:47	archdemon	well ranger is a file manager so im wondering
2024-06-02 07:05:19	espresso	I'm guessing it has a terminal
2024-06-02 07:05:43	espresso	If Ranger is in Python, maybe it put something to a log?
2024-06-02 07:49:52	kode54	whee
2024-06-02 07:49:57	kode54	looks like I need to set up kdump
2024-06-02 08:52:43	rarebird15	Hi all. Would anyone be willing to take a look at my .bashrc file if I upload it to a pastebin? I made some changes and now I'm getting an unexpected end of file. I'm  new to bash and can't tell what's wrong.
2024-06-02 08:54:07	bookworm	rarebird15: sure
2024-06-02 08:54:28	bookworm	but chances are you can just throw an editor at it and it will tell you where the problem is
2024-06-02 08:55:21	espresso	you may know of shellcheck (https://www.shellcheck.net ). ..
2024-06-02 08:55:26	phrik	Title: ShellCheck – shell script analysis tool (at www.shellcheck.net)
2024-06-02 08:56:01	bookworm	bash has an LSP server as well that has this built in
2024-06-02 08:58:54	rarebird15	Oh, I'll try that. Thanks.
2024-06-02 09:00:13	espresso	I just mentioned it as an option. am also fine if not interested in checking out startup scripts
2024-06-02 09:01:08	rarebird15	I tried to upload to a pastebin but the one I usually use, 0x0.st, seems to be down. That or I have my curl command wrong.
2024-06-02 09:01:17	bookworm	!rs
2024-06-02 09:01:18	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2024-06-02 09:10:39	espresso	https://0x0.st/XqiH.sh - copy of ming's 0x0.sh script you can also pipe to;  `<cmd> | 0x0.sh`
2024-06-02 09:11:26	BrainDamage	!0x0
2024-06-02 09:11:27	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-06-02 09:11:41	BrainDamage	for a quick reminder
2024-06-02 09:14:31	rarebird15	Okay, shellcheck worked. It told me what the problem was. Now I just have to figure out how to fix it.
2024-06-02 09:15:46	espresso	if in terminal, can probably $EDITOR ~/.bashrc
2024-06-02 09:16:56	rarebird15	Okay, I think I fixed it. Is there a way to reload bashrc?
2024-06-02 09:17:34	espresso	oh, nice.  can `source ~/.bashrc`
2024-06-02 09:17:48	espresso	(or . .bashrc, I keep forgetting)
2024-06-02 09:19:05	bookworm	both do the same thing
2024-06-02 09:19:10	bookworm	. is just a shorthand
2024-06-02 09:19:15	espresso	aye
2024-06-02 09:19:30	rarebird15	Nice. Came up with no problems. Now if I could just fix my clipboard issues...
2024-06-02 13:00:16	Th3Mafia	Anyone use vimb and can tell me if there is a way to ignore errors and render anyway? Locally saved attachments from mutt won't render because vimb finds errors with unclosed <meta> tags
2024-06-02 13:04:37	siak	I am having this problem for some time on many systems. When system is idle screen brightness is decreased by ddc commands. Problem is it won't get back to normal.
2024-06-02 13:04:43	siak	Screen remains dim
2024-06-02 14:00:28	ponies	:q
2024-06-02 14:20:13	oaken-source	this is probably a really stupid question, but somewhere over the last year /run/user/1000 changed permissions from 0755 to 0700. Is there any way to configure that to get 0755 back?
2024-06-02 14:24:38	BrainDamage	that doesn't sound like a great idea, is there a particular reason why you want to do so?
2024-06-02 14:26:09	oaken-source	yes
2024-06-02 14:26:22	oaken-source	I'd hardly ask otherwise :)
2024-06-02 14:27:04	oaken-source	jokes aside - I'm trying to access the dbus session of the main logged in user through an auxiliary user from a service, to send a notification
2024-06-02 14:27:32	oaken-source	that used to work
2024-06-02 14:28:10	mpan	But you do realize, that anybody in the system is goign to be able to access that dbus, and also everything created with assumption only you can access it?
2024-06-02 14:28:55	mpan	For the record, pam_systemd is responsible for creating the directory. Though not sure rn, if it allows customizing permissions.
2024-06-02 14:30:40	oaken-source	I'm open for alternatives, what would be the correct way to do that?
2024-06-02 14:32:27	oaken-source	I guess I could wire up a sudoers config that allows notify-send for the service user 
2024-06-02 14:33:01	mpan	Unfortunately everybody seems to be too lazy to implement the correct solution. It would be exposing a service, that would be on both system and user bus, conveying *specific* messages and passing them to notification daemon. You are not the first person seeking that, *including me* ;), and AFAIK so far nobody wrote that. Having a privileged command, that can access the directory and write to
2024-06-02 14:33:01	mpan	dbus, is one 
2024-06-02 14:33:07	mpan	option.
2024-06-02 14:33:25	mpan	Yeah, the sudoers solution is one of the options for the “have a privileged command”. Hacky, but should work.
2024-06-02 14:34:24	mpan	The “hacky” party is actually that user’s bus session name is unknown to any service beyond your user (even if “/run/user/1000” was 755). So you hardcode a value, which may change.
2024-06-02 14:35:03	BrainDamage	the socket path is in an environmental variable which is bound to change
2024-06-02 14:35:31	BrainDamage	you could in principe bind mount the socket dir
2024-06-02 14:36:02	BrainDamage	like, bind mount the socket dir to a path accessible to userB
2024-06-02 14:40:11	oaken-source	hacky is good enough for now, this is only my document scanner
2024-06-02 14:40:48	oaken-source	bind mount is also a good idea, but I went with a sudoers config, that should work at least until I update that system again in a few years :)
2024-06-02 14:48:45	Web_Anon	there's a voice channel?
2024-06-02 14:56:15	gromit	Web_Anon: say what? 
2024-06-02 15:01:28	Furai	Is there any extra software I need to install except for steam to play a game from my PC on another one over the network?
2024-06-02 15:01:36	Furai	Is this that steamlink AUR thing?
2024-06-02 15:01:48	jelle	no
2024-06-02 15:02:21	jelle	at least, it depends, you can do it with a regular steam client as well
2024-06-02 15:02:25	jelle	but note that you need to open some port
2024-06-02 15:02:27	jelle	*ports
2024-06-02 15:03:07	Furai	Ok, thanks, I guess I'll just give it a go and see for myself.
2024-06-02 15:03:39	jelle	Furai: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Steam#Steam_Remote_Play
2024-06-02 15:03:40	phrik	Title: Steam - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-02 15:03:45	Furai	Actually this explains it as well https://store.steampowered.com/remoteplay/
2024-06-02 15:03:46	phrik	Title: Steam Remote Play (at store.steampowered.com)
2024-06-02 15:04:08	BrainDamage	local screaming will work out of the box
2024-06-02 15:04:12	BrainDamage	public, won't
2024-06-02 15:04:23	Furai	I'm on my home network.
2024-06-02 15:05:03	BrainDamage	then just launch steam on both pcs and the list should be automagically populated on the other side
2024-06-02 15:05:18	BrainDamage	the play button will have a drop down selection for which pc to use
2024-06-02 15:09:52	Furai	Ok, thanks for the tips.
2024-06-02 15:11:04	jelle	local screaming :D
2024-06-02 15:19:30	badsektor	tom clancy rainbox six siege doesnt work on linux, i just bought it on steam seeing it is 60% off, thats 6 dollars wasted
2024-06-02 15:19:46	BrainDamage	you can probably refund it
2024-06-02 15:19:50	badsektor	ooh
2024-06-02 15:19:56	BrainDamage	also, there's winedb / protondb
2024-06-02 15:20:13	Warepire	Doesn't steam refund any purchase within 2 hours?
2024-06-02 15:20:13	badsektor	i forgot checking this time
2024-06-02 15:20:36	badsektor	thanks good idea
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2024-06-02 15:30:53	gromit	I have migrated one of my machines from the nvidia drivers to Nouveau 
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2024-06-02 15:31:10	gromit	But now I'm getting terrible input lags, any idea what could cause that? 
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2024-06-02 15:33:54	BrainDamage	check with nvtop if the gpu load is low or not
2024-06-02 15:34:16	BrainDamage	most nouveau drivers lack clock frequency scaling, so the performance is horrible
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2024-06-02 15:34:41	teraflops	checked eglinfo/glxinfo -B?
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2024-06-02 15:35:07	teraflops	maybe it's doing software rendering
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2024-06-02 15:41:44	gromit	teraflops: "Device: NV136 (0x1c03)" "Accelerated: yes" from glxinfo; looks like its using the hw renderer right? 
2024-06-02 15:42:19	gromit	eglinfo is pretty long, what am I looking for? 
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2024-06-02 15:48:54	teraflops	if glxinfo says direct rendering: yes and accelerated: yes you are ok
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2024-06-02 16:12:38	ianliu	I have xfce4 + pipewire, connected to my TV via HDMI. Whenever I turn my soundbar on, my xfce changes my display resolution and opens the Display settings window. Have you ever seen this behavior? My soundbar is connected to an eARC HDMI port, don't know if this matters...
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2024-06-02 16:16:37	gromit	teraflops,  Any idea what else I could check out? 
2024-06-02 16:16:54	gromit	BrainDamage: hm, nvtop tells me "No GPU to monitor"
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2024-06-02 16:48:30	demonicm1niac1	gromit: nouveau still can't do reclocking on anything halfway modern so it would be expected somewhat to be locked in the lowest powerstate
2024-06-02 16:48:33	demonicm1niac1	re lag
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2024-06-02 16:57:23	gromit	demonicm1niac1: how can I check the current power state? 
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2024-06-02 16:59:36	demonicm1niac1	gromit: cat /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/pstate
2024-06-02 17:00:38	demonicm1niac1	gromit: but there is NO reclocking/powermanagement support for nv130 series so you will be locked in lowest power state always
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2024-06-02 17:02:08	gromit	demonicm1niac1: lol, the file exists but errors out "cat: /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/pstate: No such device"
2024-06-02 17:02:17	gromit	demonicm1niac1: hm alrighty 
2024-06-02 17:03:34	demonicm1niac1	then not even that is implemented for nv130 yet - for some cards where nouveau has some support that's where you can find the info
2024-06-02 17:03:49	demonicm1niac1	probably hidden beyond the signed firmware that nvidia doesn't provide nouveau
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2024-06-02 17:22:13	Ghosthree3	image was built with dracut, im wondering if i just need to force add the amdgpu module
2024-06-02 17:22:45	Ghosthree3	(side note, i dont have access to the system rn but was hoping someone knew an immediate answer, if not ill play with it later)
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2024-06-02 17:24:58	glitsj16	Ghosthree3: besides the 'try it and see' classic I'm clueless about dracut
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2024-06-02 17:25:43	Ghosthree3	it's not really that different. im strongly considering switching back though because dracut's latest update semi broke decryption and i cbf
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2024-06-02 17:30:04	Ghosthree3	i imagine i either need to include the amdgpu module, OR some weird usb-c module, probably
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2024-06-02 18:44:19	SysGhost	Ghosthree3: it also depends on how "well" your laptop support screens over USB-C/Thunderbolt. Some laptops implement it so well it's basically just another screen port (hdmi/display-port) and thus supports it already at very early POST. Other laptops require docking station/screen replicator dongle drivers to be loaded before anything works.
2024-06-02 18:44:47	Ghosthree3	ah, that makes sense i guess
2024-06-02 18:45:08	Ghosthree3	i did see some note on some page somewhere saying docking stations may need the video driver (i915 example given) embedded to work so it may just be that
2024-06-02 18:45:16	SysGhost	Lenovo and HP I know usually support it transparently already at POST.
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2024-06-02 18:50:04	SysGhost	USB C 3.1 have display port tunneled over at a hardware level so no configuration is needed whatsoever. Although not all CPUs/GPUs support it.
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2024-06-02 18:56:56	phrik	Spooky times in here.
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2024-06-02 18:57:29	eson123	question, so i just bought a AC1300 - TPLink Archer T3U Plus wireless adapter and i think it uses the Realtek RTL8812BU which according to some sources, all linux distros with kernel vesion 6.2 >= will support by default ? but my current kernel is 6.7.8-arch1-1 and when i plug it in, i don't see any icon which allows me to pick a wifi network
2024-06-02 18:57:59	BrainDamage	plug it in and check dmesg or the journal
2024-06-02 18:58:09	BrainDamage	you might be missing firmware files
2024-06-02 18:58:17	Namarrgon	You're a few updates behind.
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2024-06-02 18:58:55	BrainDamage	also, reboot if you updated the kernel
2024-06-02 18:59:36	eson123	https://hatebin.com/cfirqpegoq this is my dmesg, which i guess it does work ? granted it does detect the firmware :/
2024-06-02 18:59:38	phrik	Title: hatebin (at hatebin.com)
2024-06-02 18:59:53	eson123	but still can't see the wifi icon, or that is not how i do on Arch ?
2024-06-02 19:00:08	Namarrgon	"ip link"
2024-06-02 19:00:24	Namarrgon	Is this arch linux or some spin?
2024-06-02 19:00:25	eson123	oh, it does show wlan0
2024-06-02 19:00:40	eson123	weird, guess Arch doesn't have the wifi icon like Debian
2024-06-02 19:01:04	BrainDamage	arch doesn't do anything special, it's up to you and the software you're using
2024-06-02 19:01:52	BrainDamage	if you didn't install a jraphical connection manager, you won't see any icon
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2024-06-02 19:03:07	eson123	ok, i will try that 
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2024-06-02 19:14:31	chikuwasuka	you can code your own wifi icon too :3
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2024-06-02 19:22:47	Syrian	hello, testing irc for the first time
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2024-06-02 19:23:51	alad	!welcomerpg
2024-06-02 19:23:52	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux - How can we assist you?
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2024-06-02 19:35:02	andril	hello all
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2024-06-02 19:39:22	andril	any kitty users?
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2024-06-02 19:39:46	mefistofeles	!give andril anyone
2024-06-02 19:39:47	phrik	andril: Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2024-06-02 19:39:49	alad	no
2024-06-02 19:39:53	alad	0 people on this world use kitty
2024-06-02 19:39:57	mefistofeles	lol
2024-06-02 19:40:10	alad	anyone using kitty must live in a parallel universe
2024-06-02 19:40:26	MortimerHoughton	foot master race here
2024-06-02 19:40:44	andril	i noticed that it does not go tiled to floating when i press ALT + T after recent updates - looking to fix
2024-06-02 19:40:46	alad	xterm slave here
2024-06-02 19:40:59	andril	MortimerHoughton: i saw foot usage
2024-06-02 19:41:01	BrainDamage	that sounds more like a kink declaration, MortimerHoughton
2024-06-02 19:41:11	MortimerHoughton	BrainDamage: and if it is!?!
2024-06-02 19:41:17	andril	lol
2024-06-02 19:41:28	MortimerHoughton	alad: respect for the xterm though
2024-06-02 19:41:33	BrainDamage	carry on, just wanted to be sure
2024-06-02 19:41:42	andril	respect to all terms
2024-06-02 19:41:51	alad	except urxvt
2024-06-02 19:41:56	MortimerHoughton	gasp
2024-06-02 19:42:02	BrainDamage	andril: isn't the responsibility of that, of your window manager?
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2024-06-02 19:42:11	mefistofeles	oh, does kitty have built-in titling? 
2024-06-02 19:42:20	mefistofeles	doesn't that depend on the WM?
2024-06-02 19:42:20	MortimerHoughton	BrainDamage: kitty has it's own multiplexer or something
2024-06-02 19:42:25	andril	BrainDamage: tiling in this case so i will investigate
2024-06-02 19:42:30	mefistofeles	MortimerHoughton: ah I see
2024-06-02 19:42:40	alad	kitty was good for displaying those colored bars without using 50% CPU
2024-06-02 19:43:11	Syrian	foot & st are OPs
2024-06-02 19:43:34	alad	pipes.sh, that was it
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2024-06-02 21:31:21	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-06-02 21:31:21	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1449 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1448 regular)
2024-06-02 20:53:32	eoli3n	Hi
2024-06-02 20:53:43	eoli3n	i'm searching for an app which let me display pictures to chromecast
2024-06-02 20:54:49	demonicm1niac1	chromium
2024-06-02 20:57:08	hexagenic	Also, the "screensaver" of a chromecast can be used to display random images from a folder on google photos.
2024-06-02 20:57:25	hexagenic	Configurable from the google home app
2024-06-02 20:58:37	eoli3n	how to make a diaporama with chromium
2024-06-02 21:31:21	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-06-02 21:42:56	teraflops	the experimental HDR mode for gnome is too experimental lol
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2024-06-02 21:51:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-06-02 21:51:30	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1449 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1448 regular)
2024-06-02 21:51:30	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-06-03 20:16:15	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1461 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1461 regular)
2024-06-03 18:22:05	gromit	jelle: srcdest on the buildserver has 328G right now
2024-06-03 18:22:55	demonicm1niac1	that was my question whether he meant upstream source of all repo packages or just arch specific stuff
2024-06-03 18:24:37	gromit	demonicm1niac1: all package source currently use like 2.6gb for me
2024-06-03 18:35:36	aljustiet	How can I keep the output of the less pager instead of getting rid of after quitting? In the archiso when I quit the less pager, it didn't clear the output. How can I keep it?
2024-06-03 18:39:56	christophergray	aljustiet: you could start less with --quit-if-one-screen
2024-06-03 19:15:06	dorkmafia	gromit: I wonder how much it would weigh though if you printed it out on double sided letter sized paper. He did after all ask how much it weighs
2024-06-03 19:15:38	gromit	dorkmafia: go do the math
2024-06-03 19:17:53	dorkmafia	gromit: sure 2.6gb?
2024-06-03 19:20:20	dorkmafia	or the 328GB?
2024-06-03 19:23:59	dorkmafia	Chat GPT is telling me roughly 1,500 kg for the 2.6GB which is roughly 3 polar bears
2024-06-03 19:24:23	dorkmafia	or two really large male polar bears
2024-06-03 19:31:55	shoenot	hi, i'm having some issues when connecting to my laptop over ssh. this doesnt happen when connecting from other devices
2024-06-03 19:32:41	Warepire	What is the version of the OpenSSH server running on the laptop?
2024-06-03 19:33:33	another|	what problems?
2024-06-03 19:34:03	shoenot	like for example i typed 'ls' on the top one and it worked, but it shows up wrong. same thing for the bottom command which was 'exit' https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/P6bMiSdu/image.png
2024-06-03 19:34:53	BrainDamage	it sounds like your terminal state machine is crippled
2024-06-03 19:35:00	BrainDamage	there's a command to reset it
2024-06-03 19:35:07	shoenot	Warepire: 9.4p1
2024-06-03 19:35:18	BrainDamage	are you somehow overriding TERM in your scripts?
2024-06-03 19:35:21	shoenot	BrainDamage: laptop or my arch machine?
2024-06-03 19:35:34	shoenot	BrainDamage: which scripts? 
2024-06-03 19:35:43	Warepire	shoenot: You have issues when you're connected, not when you're connecting.
2024-06-03 19:35:50	shoenot	yeah 
2024-06-03 19:35:57	shoenot	my bad
2024-06-03 19:36:09	BrainDamage	the terminal that gets screwed is in your laptop, the source of the screw is likely on the server, emphasis on likely, but not necessarily limited to
2024-06-03 19:37:15	shoenot	hmm. yeah i assumed so since i can access it from other clients without issues BrainDamage 
2024-06-03 19:37:33	BrainDamage	you could start comparing echo $TERM in a local shell and in the server
2024-06-03 19:37:58	BrainDamage	it should be the same value
2024-06-03 19:38:23	dcb	could it be related to terminfo?
2024-06-03 19:38:44	shoenot	BrainDamage: huh. yeah i dont have kitty installed on my laptop. that's weird https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/5zP5d2zg/image.png
2024-06-03 19:39:15	shoenot	and locally on my laptop i'm seeing the correct terminal set
2024-06-03 19:39:42	demonicm1niac1	dorkmafia: but what's the paper thickness and material and size and what's the font size and what's the formatting of a page in terms of linespacing/edges?
2024-06-03 19:39:50	demonicm1niac1	that's like a trillion assumptions!
2024-06-03 19:40:03	shoenot	(laptop is on macOS, if that makes any difference, though im pretty sure that doesn't matter)
2024-06-03 19:40:35	BrainDamage	basically, terminals have all sort of custom sequences, control codes, etc
2024-06-03 19:40:57	BrainDamage	if TERM is not set properly, then programs will output the wrong amount of garbage, which will confuse your terminal emulator
2024-06-03 19:41:12	shoenot	right 
2024-06-03 19:41:27	BrainDamage	by default, ssh passes TERM environment transparently, so you must be overwriting TERM somewhere with a wrong value
2024-06-03 19:41:40	BrainDamage	and in general, overwriting TERM is a bad idea
2024-06-03 19:42:10	shoenot	BrainDamage: so i should be seeing the same value for $TERM whether im connected to the server or not?
2024-06-03 19:42:15	BrainDamage	yes
2024-06-03 19:42:28	shoenot	so that's not the issue
2024-06-03 19:42:39	BrainDamage	mind you, there's an additional problem
2024-06-03 19:42:59	BrainDamage	the server needs the correct terminfo files, in order to output the right kind of garbage
2024-06-03 19:43:33	BrainDamage	so there should be a profile associated with that TERM in the server
2024-06-03 19:45:32	BrainDamage	looks like the arch wiki has a faq about this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kitty?useskin=vector#Terminal_issues_with_SSH
2024-06-03 19:45:34	phrik	Title: kitty - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-03 19:45:41	BrainDamage	because by default, you won't have that profile
2024-06-03 19:45:51	shoenot	cheers BrainDamage 
2024-06-03 19:45:56	shoenot	ill look into that
2024-06-03 19:48:36	dcb	I remember having similar issues when ssh'ing from `st` so I usually copy its terminfo into the remote machine
2024-06-03 19:49:37	shoenot	that worked perfectly, thank you so much BrainDamage 
2024-06-03 19:49:50	shoenot	i had no idea it was related to my terminal lol i was going crazy googling 
2024-06-03 19:50:10	shoenot	on another note.... kittens? really?
2024-06-03 19:50:24	dcb	it's often not a problem when you're using common terminals like xterm or urxvt
2024-06-03 19:58:01	shoenot	dcb: yeah i always used to use urxvt on arch before, but i switched to wayland so i'm using kitty 
2024-06-03 20:04:01	Catalytic	Hi all!  I run the linux-zen kernel with zfs modules from archzfs.  How do I upgrade the kernel and modules?  The versions never match, so I'm stuck with my original setup.
2024-06-03 20:04:26	Edu4rdSHL	Catalytic, welcome to zfs
2024-06-03 20:04:42	Edu4rdSHL	That's how it works
2024-06-03 20:04:52	Edu4rdSHL	Just use linux-lts, I think
2024-06-03 20:05:33	Catalytic	I see...
2024-06-03 20:05:39	Edu4rdSHL	Also, the modules are updated after X time to match the current kernel, not sure why you are "stuck with my original setup"
2024-06-03 20:06:43	Catalytic	For instance right now, zfs-linux-zen requires linux-zen=6.9.2.zen1-1, but current version is 6.9.3.zen1-1
2024-06-03 20:07:01	Edu4rdSHL	Well, that's just a minor version
2024-06-03 20:07:07	Edu4rdSHL	And that's expected
2024-06-03 20:07:41	Edu4rdSHL	So, what you can do is: hold the kernel update until zfs matches
2024-06-03 20:07:49	Edu4rdSHL	And then update it all together
2024-06-03 20:08:27	Catalytic	OK, so I get a warning by pacman / yay, should I ignore it and install anyway?  If only the minor version is different.
2024-06-03 20:09:02	Edu4rdSHL	If it requires a specific version, it will not let you install zfs-linux-zen
2024-06-03 20:09:40	Edu4rdSHL	What you do is just hold the kernel update (6.9.3 in this case) until zfs-linux-zen is compatible with 6.9.3
2024-06-03 20:09:47	Edu4rdSHL	And so on
2024-06-03 20:09:53	Catalytic	How can I hold the kernel update?
2024-06-03 20:10:29	Edu4rdSHL	See the pacman manpage
2024-06-03 20:11:35	Catalytic	Do you mean the HoldPkg option?
2024-06-03 20:12:58	gromit	Catalytic: I would rather just update the zfs modules locally or use the zfs-dkms package
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2024-06-03 20:43:23	colo	eh, default arch has no `hostname` these days?
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2024-06-03 20:44:37	Catalytic	gromit, Edu4rdSHL: I solved it by upgrading everything with -Sud, then downgrading the kernel to match the zfs module version :)
2024-06-03 20:45:30	gromit	colo: install inetutils
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2024-06-03 20:45:55	gaku	systemd has hostnamectl
2024-06-03 20:46:20	colo	yeah, I wasn't aware `hostname` wasn't part of something more... mandatory ;) like util-linux or systemd itself
2024-06-03 20:46:26	gaku	as for the busybox initramfs, the busybox build of arch doesn't have it
2024-06-03 20:47:37	gaku	colo: doesn't seem to be mandatory on the POSIX side of things? at least I'm not seeing anything for it
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2024-06-03 20:48:32	majors	zfs can be kind of a pain with anything rolling release for that reason, or just anything that stays relatively up-to-date with the latest kernel. I had a similar problem on Fedora Server, too. I finally just just resolved to stick to more "stable" (old) systems where I wanted zfs and use btrfs for my more up-to-date stuff
2024-06-03 20:48:38	colo	gaku: apparently. I always assumed it was.
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2024-06-03 20:49:43	gromit	Catalytic: as it was already said before, using the lts kernel branch is usually the best solution for systems using zfs as the zfs people dont always can keep up with all changes in linux 
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2024-06-03 20:51:00	SAL9000	Catalytic: I recommend using the DKMS version of ZFS, which will automatically compile against whichever kernel you install, so long as it's compatible -- it's still a good idea to use an LTS version.
2024-06-03 20:51:09	SAL9000	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ZFS#DKMS
2024-06-03 20:51:10	phrik	Title: ZFS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-06-03 20:53:14	majors	depending on how old of hardware you're running, building dkms modules can have a pretty big impact on how long package updates take. i'm not saying don't do it, but it's something to be aware of
2024-06-03 20:53:28	Catalytic	gromit, SAL9000: I see, I'll keep that in mind.
2024-06-03 20:54:12	gromit	SAL9000: I dont use the dkms as the box its running on takes forever to build the modules :p
2024-06-03 20:54:32	Catalytic	I have had good experience with the zen kernel, and then I like installing binary packages :)
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2024-06-03 20:55:16	SAL9000	gromit: understandable :) fwiw I use root-on-zfs on my fileserver... but I use gentoo on that, along with a hacked-together upgrade staging system (tl;dr I build my own binary packages in a chroot, leveraging zfs clones to make that cheap on storage)
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2024-06-03 20:56:18	Catalytic	Nice :)
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2024-06-03 21:01:19	mefistofeles	ugh, kernel panic (I think), these are getting more and more common hmm
2024-06-03 21:01:31	mefistofeles	I may need to run a memtest on this machine just to be sure
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2024-06-03 21:05:29	gromit	mefistofeles: what paniced? 
2024-06-03 21:06:03	mefistofeles	gromit: not sure, nothing in logs, but complete freeze and the caps lock LED blinking
2024-06-03 21:06:08	mefistofeles	been having those lately
2024-06-03 21:06:14	mefistofeles	at least once a week, maybe more
2024-06-03 21:06:59	BrainDamage	you might want to try the LTS kernel too, to have a different reference
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2024-06-03 21:08:01	mefistofeles	BrainDamage: I have that one, but can't remember if it happened using it, that's a good thing to try
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2024-06-03 21:11:28	SAL9000	mefistofeles: +1 to memtest, I've had quite a few "unexplained computer issues" which traced back to bad RAM :-(
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2024-06-03 21:19:56	mpan	As always, I remind about memtester. Can’t test the entire RAM (works in userspace), but you are not completely deprived of your machine for hours and still may discover issues, if RAM is particularly unsable.
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2024-06-03 21:45:03	Betal	mefistofeles: do you use nvidia?
2024-06-03 21:45:24	mefistofeles	Betal: somewhat, but I don't think that's related to the issue
2024-06-03 21:45:30	mefistofeles	I mostly use the intel gpu
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2024-06-03 21:48:15	Warepire	mefistofeles: You also have random system freezes with an intel GPU? I should update that machine and see if I get more frequent freezes as well...
2024-06-03 21:48:36	Betal	mefistofeles: I was just reading this https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/systemd/-/issues/26 , but maybe is not your case
2024-06-03 21:48:37	phrik	Title: Reconsider udevadm trigger in systemd-hook, continouous kernel panics are happening (#26) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / systemd · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-06-03 21:49:43	mefistofeles	Betal: I see, but how to reproduce that?
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2024-06-03 21:51:50	Betal	mefistofeles: most of this link are people trying to reproduce, to find if the problem is systemd side or nvidia side, if something related with the systemd hook, but having a hard time to reproduce, given usually the system ends in recovery state
2024-06-03 21:52:26	Betal	mefistofeles: the error in the link usually happens in system updates
2024-06-03 21:52:27	mefistofeles	Betal: yeah :/ hard to tell
2024-06-03 21:52:38	mefistofeles	Betal: I don't think I've had errors during updates
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2024-06-03 21:58:34	teraflops	Betal: since I switched the nvidia-open drivers I do not have that issue anymore
2024-06-03 21:59:22	teraflops	switched to^
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2024-06-03 22:42:47	dorkmafia	demonicm1niac1: I was just using rough estimates which is why you give a range and averages. Estimations are all about making assumptions with reasonable boundaries to acquire a boundary.
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2024-06-03 22:48:33	Betal	teraflops: it is sad that 1000 series don't works with nvidia-open drivers (maybe the relevant pieces were moved to hardware in 2000 series)
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2024-06-03 22:48:33	Betal	teraflops: it is sad that 1000 series don't works with nvidia-open drivers (maybe the relevant pieces were moved to hardware in 2000 series)
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2024-06-03 22:56:35	teraflops	idk why is that limitation either, it sounds a bit weird to me
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2024-06-03 23:04:55	demonicm1niac1	Betal: teraflops: it's hardware. turing and up have everything handled by a riscv cpu and the interface is available to nouveau and nvidia-open
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2024-06-03 23:06:27	demonicm1niac1	essentially they just moved power management and reclocking stuff control onto that gsp which requires a binary firmware and everything is hidden inside the firmware but they can have an "open" module because everything actually is done in the firmware blob
2024-06-03 23:06:45	demonicm1niac1	that's also why they can do hdmi 2.1 and amd can't because it's all hidden inside the firmware blob
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2024-06-03 23:09:22	teraflops	I see, at least for my gpu there is another issue, nvidia-powerd service is broken, so instead of the 90 watts the gpu is capable of, I only get 55 watts :(
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2024-06-04 00:07:26	kode54	is anyone here familiar with getting kdumpst working?
2024-06-04 00:07:35	kode54	I can't get it to load the correct initrd for the crash kernel
2024-06-04 00:07:51	kode54	it attempted to load my running system initrd and ran out of memory
2024-06-04 00:07:59	kode54	meanwhile, 6.9.3 is being bad on my system
2024-06-04 00:08:18	kode54	first it froze with no apparent activity to trigger the freeze
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2024-06-04 00:08:38	kode54	then about 20-30 minutes after rebooting to it again, my USB devices started randomly disconnecting
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2024-06-04 02:20:36	mefistofeles	good for fluxbox
2024-06-04 02:25:59	uniqNuuid	same to openbox: Date:   Wed Jul 1 17:14:56 2015 : commit 249020d6237bec9abfefc31953e934e83105c91c (tag: release-3.6.1)
2024-06-04 02:29:15	sarahzrf	oh shit i think openbox is what i meant to get instead of fluxbox lol
2024-06-04 02:29:32	sarahzrf	but the last commit on the fluxbox github is from 10 months ago, not 10 years
2024-06-04 02:30:48	uniqNuuid	sarahzrf: you got to check the tags which is STABLE release : https://github.com/fluxbox/fluxbox/tags
2024-06-04 02:32:26	uniqNuuid	if the version you are using is 1.3.7, then it is 10 years old.
2024-06-04 02:32:36	uniqNuuid	unless you build from the git source 
2024-06-04 02:32:59	jelly99	Edu4rdSHL sorry for late reply but it was running 200mhz higher than it should've, and I do use it to game
2024-06-04 02:33:32	jelly99	It was crashing unpredictably for me during gaming and media encoding and I was convinced it was hardware issues
2024-06-04 02:33:34	demonicm1niac1	uniqNuuid: that's not true. the arch fluxbox package uses commit ids same as mpv
2024-06-04 02:33:44	demonicm1niac1	uniqNuuid: unlike openbox which is truly dead with no commits
2024-06-04 02:36:38	demonicm1niac1	see https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/fluxbox/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads
2024-06-04 02:36:39	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / fluxbox · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-06-04 02:37:48	uniqNuuid	demonicm1niac1: oh, ok, that commit is Commits on Jul 31, 2022
2024-06-04 02:38:16	demonicm1niac1	openbox has 5 downstream patches from arch and debian going back 11 years even
2024-06-04 02:39:06	demonicm1niac1	honestly just use what you want and what works for you tho and what you intended to use :)
2024-06-04 02:39:17	demonicm1niac1	you can just use twm ^^
2024-06-04 02:47:44	rarebird15	Hi all. Is there anyone on who uses the XFCE desktop environment and Lightdm? I'm trying to set it up and everything seems to be working except I have no audio. At least, I'm guessing that's the problem since I can't hear the Orca screen reader.
2024-06-04 02:52:05	mefistofeles	rarebird15: hmmm, do you have a mixer application I would check the levels there, and maybe review https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire or the pulseaudio wiki site, depending which one you are using
2024-06-04 02:52:06	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-04 02:52:28	mefistofeles	rarebird15: I think I remember you are blind, so I don't know how easy/hard it is for you to review that, but happy to help as needed
2024-06-04 03:06:29	rarebird15	I'm not finding my problem in the pipewire wiki. I see this in my journalctl. pipewire[3330]: pw.conf: 0x56f6a3f1bc20: could not load mandatory module "libpipewire-module-protocol-native": Resource temporarily unavailable
2024-06-04 03:06:46	jelly99	Wow anyone else experience github dropping keys from SSO?
2024-06-04 03:07:01	jelly99	Spent my entire morning trying to work out why servers couldn't update
2024-06-04 03:08:50	mefistofeles	rarebird15: can you share the output of `pactl info`?
2024-06-04 03:11:04	demonicm1niac1	uniqNuuid: to be fair fluxbox was dead for quite some time in the 2010s with just towards mid/end picking up again with loads of forks eventually merged into main dev
2024-06-04 03:11:30	rarebird15	https://0x0.st/Xqeu.txt
2024-06-04 03:12:19	rarebird15	I'm doing all this from a tty since my console screen reader still works.
2024-06-04 03:12:25	jelly99	rarebird15: Does the service give any info in status?
2024-06-04 03:13:32	rarebird15	It can't find pipewire.service or pipewire-pulse.service, even though pipewire-pulse is installed.
2024-06-04 03:15:37	Namarrgon	They are --user services.
2024-06-04 03:15:51	Namarrgon	"systemctl --user status pipewire.service"
2024-06-04 03:17:51	rarebird15	Oh, just tried that. They look like they're running normally. I see a timestamped entry showing when they started and some other information. This is for pipewire and pipewire-pulse.
2024-06-04 03:19:32	rarebird15	This should show information from both: https://0x0.st/Xqee.txt
2024-06-04 03:25:01	greyltc	why does /etc/makepkg.conf tell me `# Makepkg defaults: OPTIONS=(!strip docs libtool staticlibs emptydirs !zipman !purge !debug !lto !autodeps)`
2024-06-04 03:25:05	greyltc	then, a few lines later, proceed to set (by default) `OPTIONS=(strip docs !libtool !staticlibs emptydirs zipman purge debug lto)`?
2024-06-04 03:27:38	demize	Because the former are makepkg's defaults, and the latter are Arch Linux's defaults.
2024-06-04 03:27:38	greyltc	is it that we have some compiled in defaults for makepkg, then the default makepkg.conf overwrites those?
2024-06-04 03:33:40	greyltc	maybe I'm confused because I thought makepkg is developed for Arch
2024-06-04 03:49:20	rcf	It isn’t. 
2024-06-04 03:51:09	rcf	Even though it is. 
2024-06-04 04:11:04	uniqNuuid	or say: the former are makepkg's default, the latter are user defined
2024-06-04 04:23:29	greyltc	ikd, the internal defaults battle seems weird. i must be missing a point of view
2024-06-04 04:25:18	Scimmia	there is no internal defaults battle
2024-06-04 04:25:46	rarebird15	Ugh, I've been having enough problems that I'm considering a fresh install. Not sure how to do that though when the usb I have has a version of Arch that's a bit out of date and I can't access a desktop session.
2024-06-04 04:27:34	rarebird15	Is it possible to remove all configuration files and things and all packages except the needed ones and maybe a few others?
2024-06-04 04:27:56	rcf	uniqNuuid: not quite; if you change them to makepkg’s defaults and run into issues here people will chide you for changing the defaults 
2024-06-04 04:29:02	Scimmia	rarebird15: there's a wiki entry for that, let me find it
2024-06-04 04:30:29	kode54	cool
2024-06-04 04:30:42	rarebird15	Probably about to have to go eat dinner. Be back in a few.
2024-06-04 04:30:51	kode54	I think I found a cause for my random issues and why they didn't affect KDDLB
2024-06-04 04:31:01	kode54	I turned off ASPM now
2024-06-04 04:31:19	kode54	he probably doesn't have it enabled at all, as per most manufacturer defaults for desktops
2024-06-04 04:31:32	Scimmia	rarebird15: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Removing_everything_but_essential_packages
2024-06-04 04:31:34	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-04 04:38:09	Scimmia	rarebird15: but really, tell us what's going on before taking drastic measures
2024-06-04 04:40:39	rcf	rarebird15: if it’s slightly out of date that doesn’t matter. You might need to -Sy the keyring. 
2024-06-04 04:43:17	parakovsky	can't figure out how to set default kernel in grub back to 'normal' linux instead of linux-rt which I did some time ago, please help
2024-06-04 04:43:23	parakovsky	here is the bios content 
2024-06-04 04:43:55	parakovsky	hmm... don't think it lists the kernels but it actually should
2024-06-04 04:45:26	parakovsky	yeah here it is in cfg file in boot 
2024-06-04 04:45:27	parakovsky	https://paste.rs/B8K6z
2024-06-04 04:48:29	Scimmia	parakovsky: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Setting_the_top-level_menu_entry
2024-06-04 04:48:30	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-04 04:48:45	parakovsky	Scimmia: thanks was looking there but saw nothing lol
2024-06-04 04:48:50	parakovsky	have a great day
2024-06-04 04:52:44	parakovsky	thanks it worked fine
2024-06-04 04:53:03	parakovsky	me laptop just freezed and almost overheat in that hot june night while operator was sleeping, woke up saw it super hot, logs show nothing, can't blame anything besides a kernel.... think few more hours of that super heat it might be totally kaput
2024-06-04 05:22:58	rarebird15	Back from dinner. Here's what's going on: Just installed xfce4 and xfce4-goodies and everything seems to be working except I have no audio. I'm blind and use a screen reader so audio is critical. I've also had issues with copy/paste not working. I don't know if switching to xfce4 will resolve that. I was experiencing it when using I3 as window manager and some scripts to make it act kind of like
2024-06-04 05:22:58	rarebird15	a 
2024-06-04 05:23:04	rarebird15	desktop called I38. I've looked at journalctl and I'm also seeing errors opening the credentials directory and accessing the keyring. So yeah, lots of problems. I'm using a tty since my console screen reader is still audible even though I have  no audio in a desktop session.
2024-06-04 05:25:21	Strykar	is this an fmt or ccache package issue "error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files) ccache: /usr/include/fmt/args.h exists in filesystem (owned by fmt)" - https://bpa.st/2VPQ
2024-06-04 05:25:22	phrik	Title: View paste 2VPQ (at bpa.st)
2024-06-04 05:26:54	mefistofeles	rarebird15: I'd say go back to the setup that worked for you, that would probably be the best way forward. 
2024-06-04 05:26:58	rcf	Strykar: my inclination is to blame ccache here. 
2024-06-04 05:27:44	Strykar	rcf: that was my first thought too
2024-06-04 05:27:48	parakovsky	rarebird15: i have a blind linux friend i ask him what he thinks about your input here and maybe we can solve this problem
2024-06-04 05:28:44	⚡ 	Strykar wonders why he needs ccache at all anymore
2024-06-04 05:29:57	rcf	Strykar: fixed as of five hours ago https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/ccache/-/commit/66beba28f0b87b61e09d1d9e4fdafbaa1e0b6c3d
2024-06-04 05:29:58	phrik	Title: Use system fmt (66beba28) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / ccache · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-06-04 05:30:16	rcf	Your mirror is behind 
2024-06-04 05:32:00	Strykar	god damn
2024-06-04 05:32:57	Strykar	sigh - syncrepo.sh[303046]: Last sync was Tue Jun  4 02:59:07 AM. 9 AM now
2024-06-04 05:34:13	Strykar	rcf: looks like its my tier 1 upstream that's out of date, thankss
2024-06-04 05:38:23	Strykar	yep fixed by choosing another. an #arch-mirrors channel could be useful :(
2024-06-04 05:40:42	rarebird15	Thing is that I've never had a fully working setup. When I used I3, my clipboard didn't work. I could copy things and they'd show up in xclip -o, but pasting with ctrl+v didn't work.
2024-06-04 05:41:30	rarebird15	I liked that setup other than that and wouldn't mind going back to it if that could be fixed.
2024-06-04 05:41:37	rcf	rarebird15: in that case it was because your clipboard manager was syncing everything to PRIMARY 
2024-06-04 05:41:56	espresso	Strykar: and https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Reflector
2024-06-04 05:41:58	phrik	Title: Reflector - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-04 05:42:33	rcf	rarebird15: the situation will not improve with xfce, assuming you continue to use it. 
2024-06-04 05:43:37	rarebird15	I was using a clipboard  manager called clipster, and it had a config key called default selection, which I set to clipboard, and another called sync selections, which was set to PRIMARY,CLIPBOARD. Is there something I need to change there?
2024-06-04 05:44:42	rcf	That should have been sufficient, though I’ve not used it myself. 
2024-06-04 05:45:40	rarebird15	Would you mind taking a look if I  upload my config to 0x0.st?
2024-06-04 05:45:50	rcf	Go for it 
2024-06-04 05:47:09	rarebird15	https://0x0.st/Xq26.ini
2024-06-04 05:48:40	Strykar	espresso: I run two arch mirrors, but thanks
2024-06-04 05:49:25	espresso	rarebird15: line 3, $HOMe should be $HOME
2024-06-04 05:49:40	espresso	Strykar: oh, misunderstanding :)
2024-06-04 05:51:42	rarebird15	<@espresso> Thanks. Fixed that.
2024-06-04 05:55:26	rcf	Aside from that, this should be doing what you’d want (putting everything in CLIPBOARD)
2024-06-04 05:55:40	rarebird15	Lol that file was a challenge to create. Clipster doesn't install with a built-in config file. You have to create it and copy and paste it from the dev's GitHub page. I managed to do that by copying it to my console screen reader's clipboard from the xsession, but when it copied over, all the line breaks had been replaced with spaces. So I had to try and fix that and check where new lines were 
2024-06-04 05:55:46	rarebird15	supposed to start.
2024-06-04 05:56:34	Strykar	espresso: ah nw, there's just no way to post live updates for anything mirror related. pitastrudl might wanna nudge the Rackspace folks that their (rsync) mirrors are out of sync
2024-06-04 05:58:18	rarebird15	I think Clipster requires xclip, which always sends copied things to primary. Do I need to change that somehow?
2024-06-04 06:01:35	espresso	Strykar: oh, certainly -- I had really missed the context
2024-06-04 06:02:01	Strykar	I cant even create an RFC to propose creating a channel, its limited to devs
2024-06-04 06:45:13	rarebird15	Okay, trying to get things back how I had them but with Lightdm as display manager since the old one I used, nodm-dgw, wasn't working well. I rebooted and got no sound, so something isn't working. Going through journalctl, the first error I see after reboot is: lightdm[556]: gkr-pam: no password is available for user. Does anyone know what this means?
2024-06-04 06:46:18	rarebird15	It's difficult to do web searches on these errors without being able to access a desktop session. That's what I'd normally do first.
2024-06-04 06:53:37	Strykar	rarebird15: why not use GNOME instead? doesn't GNOME have the most fleshed out accessibility options?
2024-06-04 06:54:23	rarebird15	I've considered it but was told it would be too much for this computer, which is an HP laptop with 4 gb ram and 64 gb storage.
2024-06-04 06:54:26	alad	you don't need an RFC to start a channel, you need permission from the group contact
2024-06-04 06:55:31	alad	but it's unclear what's the benefit over the existing ML
2024-06-04 06:56:04	alad	if anything announcements will go lost on IRC
2024-06-04 06:57:05	Edu4rdSHL	Are you ok, alad? :p
2024-06-04 06:57:40	alad	never been better
2024-06-04 06:58:18	rarebird15	Strykar: I don't know much about the different desktop environments though . If gnome would work on this computer, I'd like to try it.
2024-06-04 07:01:00	rarebird15	Found a forum post that looks like it describes the same problem I'm having with PAM but my IP address has been blocked from accessing the Arch Linux forums for some reason.
2024-06-04 07:10:58	mpan	My feeling is that user-reported problems don’t coincide with planned maintenance, so the value of the annoucements is in providing historical records for investigation. And ML seem to do this just right.
2024-06-04 07:49:11	Strykar	alad: the traffic on the ML is a good indicator of the amount of conversation going on there. I was told by jelle that I would have to find a dev willing to support creating an RFC to suggest creating a channel. Building the wheels of bureaucracy must be hard
2024-06-04 07:49:58	Strykar	rarebird15: I ran Gnome on a 14 year old desktop with a SATA2 SSD since the SATA controller was too old for SATA 3. You need an SSD, every thing will run fine
2024-06-04 07:50:09	Strykar	I ran Arch btw
2024-06-04 08:01:27	Strykar	mpan: I am suggesting we take down the ML, I am merely asking we enable a channel for IM on the subject. I am blown away by the resistance to this
2024-06-04 08:01:46	Strykar	I am NOT suggesting we take down the MK I mean :(
2024-06-04 08:02:40	grawity	you can run GNOME without an SSD, even
2024-06-04 08:03:12	grawity	opening the 'apps' list might be slow
2024-06-04 08:03:16	mpan	Strykar: I don’t see any resistance, none at all. alad even informed you, that you don’t even need an RCF for that.
2024-06-04 08:03:25	grawity	but other than that, it's tolerable
2024-06-04 08:04:16	BrainDamage	might be able to speed it up by caching the .destktop files in a ramdisk
2024-06-04 08:04:42	BrainDamage	with something like anything sync daemon
2024-06-04 08:05:41	grawity	I used to run my old laptop off an hdd until ... GNOME 3.20 or so
2024-06-04 08:05:54	mpan	Strykar: alad and me just commented on no benefit being seen in what you propose.
2024-06-04 08:05:55	grawity	it was nowhere near as bad as running windows off an hdd these days
2024-06-04 08:08:47	Strykar	mpan: so what alad is suggesting is just opena mirrors channel myself and roll with it?
2024-06-04 08:11:36	mpan	Strykar: no. He tells you, that you need permission from the Group Contact, if you want it to be run in #archlinux- namespace on Libera. A Group Contact is a person selected to represent the project before Libera.
2024-06-04 08:12:20	mpan	Strykar: also note that nobody can prevent you from creating ##archlinux-mirrors with a bot posting headers from ML.
2024-06-04 08:12:33	mpan	You don’t need anybody’s permission for a double-hash channel.
2024-06-04 08:13:14	rarebird15	Had to go get a shower. Strykar: I don't think this laptop has an SSD.  It has an MMC or something different like that that's not HDD or SSD.
2024-06-04 08:13:47	Strykar	rarebird15: can it fit an SSD?
2024-06-04 08:14:45	rarebird15	Strykar: No, I don't think so, and I wouldn't know how to modify it. It's a little 14-inch laptop.
2024-06-04 08:14:59	mpan	Strykar: relevant Libera’s document: https://libera.chat/policies/#channels
2024-06-04 08:15:01	phrik	Title: Network policies | Libera Chat (at libera.chat)
2024-06-04 08:15:07	Strykar	mpan: I know the rules mate
2024-06-04 08:15:10	Strykar	thanks
2024-06-04 08:15:48	⚡ 	Strykar wonders how many Arch devs / TUs run mirrors themselves
2024-06-04 08:16:17	mpan	Strykar: I am not lecturing you on rules. I’m trying to show you, that you don’t even need anybody’s permission if you use ##. :)
2024-06-04 08:17:01	rarebird15	Other desktop environments are perfectly usable with the Orca screen reader, including xfce. I just have no audio for some reason.
2024-06-04 08:18:14	mpan	I don’t know, who’s current GC for #archlinux-. Poke alad, as he is already a founder of one of the channels and was participating in the talk.
2024-06-04 08:18:25	⚡ 	mpan pokes alad in the eye.
2024-06-04 08:21:29	rarebird15	getting some systemd coredumps in journalctl. Is that normal?
2024-06-04 08:22:52	Edu4rdSHL	No
2024-06-04 08:24:13	BrainDamage	it's intended behaviour if there's a crash, but things crashing is not a good thing
2024-06-04 08:52:17	rarebird15	I just noticed these two lines in journalctl. Could they be related to my audio problems?
2024-06-04 08:52:20	rarebird15	Jun 04 01:47:12 HewieP wireplumber[708]: [0:00:14.917611254] [708] ERROR IPAModule ipa_module.cpp:172 Symbol ipaModuleInfo not found
2024-06-04 08:52:44	rarebird15	Jun 04 01:47:12 HewieP wireplumber[708]: [0:00:14.917649993] [708] ERROR IPAModule ipa_module.cpp:292 v4l2-compat.so: IPA module has no valid info
2024-06-04 08:56:12	Bebef	I'm installing Arch for the first time. Trying with systemd-boot. However, my EFI/loader/entries/ is empty and I can find no other reference to the kernel in EFI/*. When/what would populate this? Obviously I'm missing something, but I have no idea what or where...
2024-06-04 08:58:05	Foxboron	Bebef: what is your ESP?
2024-06-04 08:58:39	Bebef	Foxboron: /boot. I also just noticed. that /boot/EFI/Linux is empty as well.
2024-06-04 08:59:08	Foxboron	Bebef: Yes, all of this is expected
2024-06-04 08:59:25	Foxboron	you need to write your entries yourself, and EFI/Linux should only be populated once you install sd-boot
2024-06-04 08:59:34	Antiz	Bebef: You're supposed to create entries yourself: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot#Adding_loaders
2024-06-04 08:59:36	phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-04 09:00:33	Bebef	Allright, I was mislead by a buddies script which is supposed to do all that. Gonna check with him why/where that's missing.
2024-06-04 09:00:36	Bebef	Thanks :)
2024-06-04 09:00:47	Antiz	(As well as a loader configuration if you haven't done so yet: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot#Loader_configuration)
2024-06-04 09:00:49	phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-04 09:00:55	Foxboron	Bebef: don't trust scripts, obviously
2024-06-04 09:03:25	mrkiko	rarebird15: hello!!! :)
2024-06-04 09:04:47	mrkiko	rarebird15: I am a visually impaired user as well - a friend told me about you in here and so I joined :) ; you can tach me a lot, it's years sinceI tried the GUI world and so I am in tty always these times
2024-06-04 09:06:47	rarebird15	mrkiko Cool. Glad to have another visually impaired person in here. I doo as much as I can through the command line but haven't figured out things like web browsing and email, so I do those and a few other things in a desktop session.
2024-06-04 09:08:23	mrkiko	rarebird15: well, formail I do use mutt and alpine, and with some tweaks I get along acceptably even with html messages. Web browsing is another story and yes, definitely the GUI is useful here. Even tough I tend to use lynx, yt-dlp for specific places, edbrowse sometimes
2024-06-04 09:08:49	mrkiko	rarebird15: so you use firefox or something with orca?
2024-06-04 09:12:22	mrkiko	rareand what do you use for the command-line? I am curious. 
2024-06-04 09:12:48	mrkiko	rarewanted to get an hardware synth, could be very useful also for rescue situations, but didn't get around to get one 
2024-06-04 09:37:30	andrei_n	Hello.  I have installed gophernicus on a server and now I can see the default welcome page.  But I cannot find a way to add content.  What should I do?  Thank you.
2024-06-04 09:41:20	kode54	?
2024-06-04 09:41:31	kode54	create entries yourself?
2024-06-04 09:42:01	kode54	I just build uki blobs and a menu lists their names automatically
2024-06-04 09:45:18	kode54	Basically you need to edit the default /etc/mkinitcpio.d presets, comment out the image lines, uncomment the uki lines and edit them slightly to point to your efi partition
2024-06-04 09:45:50	kode54	and drop some kernel command line snippets for your system into /etc/cmdline.d
2024-06-04 09:46:10	kode54	wiki explains this too
2024-06-04 10:47:07	alwyn	After updating from lightdm 1.32.0-5 to 1.32.0-6, if a program opens a shell, it does not open in my TERMINAL configured terminal (set in ~/.profile). This works fine in -5, not in -6. I have no clue why this happens beyond that. The diff of this update doesn't seem related whatsoever.
2024-06-04 10:48:41	eson123	question, so i am not so sure if this relates to how i config Arch or my hardware, but i am currently dual booting Arch and Windows, but for some reasons when i boot into Win, it only takes a few seconds while Arch take longer. So is this normal ? or maybe i am doing something wrong because i think Windows has more services to load than most Linux distros out there :/
2024-06-04 10:48:48	eson123	or more likely, how can i diagnose this
2024-06-04 10:55:12	grawity	eson123: takes a few seconds to what/where/when? login screen? tty? desktop? it could be services, if you have some that specifically delay the login screen (as opposed to starting in background; yes Windows has a lot but most of them don't delay the process)
2024-06-04 10:55:36	grawity	it could be that you're shutting down Windows (as opposed to rebooting) which lets it basically hibernate/resume instead of doing a full boot
2024-06-04 10:55:56	grawity	it could be that you've got a GPU driver or something like that that is stuck on something for 30secs during boot
2024-06-04 10:56:08	grawity	go through dmesg, journalctl -b, systemd-analyze plot
2024-06-04 10:59:38	eson123	ok so "systemd-analyze" says "Startup finished in 8.794s (firmware) + 6.776s (loader) + 6.904s (kernel) + 49.000s (userspace) = 1min 11.476s" which i guess the main problem is userspace but not sure how normal the others is
2024-06-04 11:06:20	demonicm1niac1	seems a lot for loader and kernel
2024-06-04 11:06:44	demonicm1niac1	are you entering some password for unlocking or something?
2024-06-04 11:07:46	demonicm1niac1	eson123: you can also systemd-analyze blame btw
2024-06-04 11:08:58	eson123	yes i was about to paste the output of blame, and so far i don't see much https://hatebin.com/zhrvnljned because most of them looks like normal services, except for some i manually installed like ufw and those shared-C mount and shared-E mount
2024-06-04 11:09:00	phrik	Title: hatebin (at hatebin.com)
2024-06-04 11:09:19	eson123	demonicm1niac1: and i don't get it, what password you mean ?
2024-06-04 11:09:37	eson123	i simply boot up and it loads Arch linux 
2024-06-04 11:09:55	demonicm1niac1	if you ran an encrypted system to unlock 
2024-06-04 11:10:18	demonicm1niac1	the heck is that site doesn't show anything
2024-06-04 11:10:25	demonicm1niac1	!paste
2024-06-04 11:10:25	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-06-04 11:10:26	eson123	Hm, no i don't think i encrypted anything, i did put a password on my BIOS though but i don't think that will affect much 
2024-06-04 11:12:30	eson123	https://paste.rs/MEvcO ok here 
2024-06-04 11:13:30	rarebird15	Hi all. Still trying to figure out why I have no audio on my desktop session. I'm using pipewire and pipewire-pulse. This gives me audio in the TTY, so my donsole screen reader works. If I install pipewire-alsa, I lose audio in TTY but sound starts working in my desktop session. I need both. Any suggestions on what might cause this?
2024-06-04 11:14:34	rarebird15	*console, not donsole. Keyboard is misbehaving.
2024-06-04 11:15:10	demonicm1niac1	a lot of the crap is snapd related - the solution to that is to not use snaps :P as for why sda3 takes forever to flush the journal that looks like a bad shutdown to me or bad unmount of that filesystem/device
2024-06-04 11:16:21	demonicm1niac1	having stuff depend on network when it taks a long time via wlan to connect also ofc delays the boot. you can change/override which stuff is "wanted" by graphical login target as in required to have finished before or just get started without waiting for it to finish
2024-06-04 11:16:52	demonicm1niac1	you can have shared data mounts also done on demand via x-automount when they get first accessed
2024-06-04 11:17:36	demonicm1niac1	the thing with windows 10+ is it shows login screen before it even accepts input and reacts to input doing stuff behind the scenes still and then when entering login info it still takes seconds in the background not being usable while showing the desktop
2024-06-04 11:18:06	demonicm1niac1	you can do that on linux too by moving stuff not "mandatory" for login to not be waited on
2024-06-04 11:21:22	eson123	demonicm1niac1: ok thank but which part of that output indicates that there are stuffs that depends on the network ?
2024-06-04 11:23:00	demonicm1niac1	eson123: nothing you'd have to plot for that to see what waits on what
2024-06-04 11:27:45	eson123	ok either way, let's me just reboot to see if this still happens :P
2024-06-04 11:31:00	rarebird15	Repeating my question since several people have joined since I asked earlier. Trying to figure out why I have no audio in my xsession. I'm using pipewire and pipewire-pulse. I have audio in the TTY, so my console screen reader works. If I install pipewire-alsa, I lose audio in TTY but sound starts working in my  xsession. I need both. Any suggestions on what might cause this?
2024-06-04 11:33:00	rcf	rarebird15: it sounds like your screen reader wants exclusive control of the audio device via ALSA, which breaks any attempts to use a sound server started later on. 
2024-06-04 11:34:06	rcf	Which one are you using?
2024-06-04 11:34:53	rcf	(and yes Linux audio is still a dumpster fire, on a fundamental level) 
2024-06-04 11:35:31	rarebird15	I'm using I3 with some scripts to make it act like a desktop environment.. Here are a few lines from journalctl. Not sure if they're related.
2024-06-04 11:35:38	rarebird15	Jun 04 03:50:52 HewieP systemd[1]: alsa-restore.service: Deactivated successfully.
2024-06-04 11:35:41	rarebird15	Jun 04 03:51:22 HewieP systemd[1]: Manage Sound Card State (restore and store) was skipped because of an unmet condition check (ConditionPathExists=/etc/alsa/state-daemon.conf).
2024-06-04 11:35:44	rarebird15	Jun 04 04:16:16 HewieP pipewire[740]: spa.alsa: 'front:0': playback open failed: Device or resource busy
2024-06-04 11:35:53	rarebird15	Jun 04 04:30:58 HewieP wireplumber[741]: wplua: [string "alsa.lua"]:347: table index is nil [string "alsa.lua"]:347: in function <[string "alsa.lua"]:333>
2024-06-04 11:36:32	rcf	rarebird15: that is indeed what is happening. Which screen reader are you using? And how are you starting it?
2024-06-04 11:36:47	rcf	(For TTY)
2024-06-04 11:39:16	rarebird15	I use the Fenrir screen reader in TTY. I have it set to start with systemd. It has a daemon and a service you can enable.
2024-06-04 11:39:26	rarebird15	Fenrir-git.
2024-06-04 11:40:39	BrainDamage	make sure that the screen reader uses the virtual alsa card provided by pa/pipewire instead of the hw device
2024-06-04 11:41:02	rcf	rarebird15: https://github.com/chrys87/fenrir?tab=readme-ov-file#configure-pipewire
2024-06-04 11:42:07	rcf	rarebird15: The issue is that pipewire is strictly single-user at its core. You are never expected to use more than one tty, even. 
2024-06-04 11:42:12	rarebird15	The Fenrir screen reader is working. It's the desktop one I use, Orca, that's not. Are you thinking this will fix Orca?
2024-06-04 11:43:12	rarebird15	Oh wow, I didn't realize that. Here I am sometimes with 2 or 3 being used.
2024-06-04 11:43:18	rcf	rarebird15: The problem is that pipewire can’t start because Fenrir is hogging the audio device. Under the hood, the kernel does not allow more than one process to output audio. 
2024-06-04 11:44:36	rarebird15	Oh, okay, weird. They were working together in the past but I guess some of the stuff I've done lately must have messed that up. I'll go through those configuration steps with Fenrir again.
2024-06-04 11:46:23	eson123	hm ok so after getting rid of snapd and some mount points, it did redude boot time but /dev/sda3 still takes around 16 seconds and now there is a weird service called "flatpak-system-helper.service" that i am not sure what it does but it takes 42 seconds
2024-06-04 11:46:26	rcf	(Well, technically it can, but no audio device in a modern system is going to have a hardware mixer for that particular purpose, so in reality you can’t) 
2024-06-04 11:46:30	eson123	is it safe to get rid of that ? :/
2024-06-04 11:47:00	rcf	Are you using flatpak? 
2024-06-04 11:47:18	eson123	i did hear about it but no i am not so sure what it actually does and why it appears here
2024-06-04 11:48:58	rcf	Uninstall it in that case. It’s a competitor to snap. 
2024-06-04 11:49:10	eson123	ok then
2024-06-04 11:49:25	rcf	Does basically the same thing, but in a way that’s more palatable to many of us. 
2024-06-04 11:51:43	eson123	oh wait i think Gnome requires that to function :(
2024-06-04 11:55:55	Namarrgon	You probably don't need that part of gnome.
2024-06-04 11:56:54	whiteman809	is it a good thing to have secure boot enabled on arch linux?
2024-06-04 11:57:06	whiteman809	do you recommend enabling secure boot in uefi?
2024-06-04 11:58:07	Namarrgon	It won't hurt to use it but you have to set up arch to support it.
2024-06-04 11:58:29	rcf	whiteman809: it’s a good thing, but it requires work before it can be enabled, and will not work on all hardware. Arch doesn’t sign kernels.
2024-06-04 11:58:49	whiteman809	i use zfsbootmenu
2024-06-04 11:59:01	whiteman809	and have kernel with initrd on zfs root
2024-06-04 12:54:32	abhimanyu	is it possible to render systray on both monitors? (on polybar)
2024-06-04 12:58:56	astralc	you need to create another bar
2024-06-04 12:59:38	astralc	and start one for each monitor
2024-06-04 13:00:55	astralc	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Polybar#Multiple_monitors
2024-06-04 13:00:56	phrik	Title: Polybar - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-04 13:01:27	gromit	I dont know if that will actually duplicate the systray tho 🤔
2024-06-04 13:02:15	abhimanyu	https://github.com/polybar/polybar/issues/1796
2024-06-04 13:02:36	abhimanyu	`tray-position` is obsolete now
2024-06-04 13:02:52	abhimanyu	I fixed it by adding a `sleep 1` in the loop
2024-06-04 15:03:40	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-06-04 13:04:25	abhimanyu	astralc https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Polybar#Multiple_monitors is a nice solution
2024-06-04 13:04:26	phrik	Title: Polybar - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-04 13:04:39	abhimanyu	yeahh
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2024-06-04 13:33:51	alad	I never got to systray to work on even 1 monitor : D
2024-06-04 13:34:33	astralc	because gnome?
2024-06-04 13:34:52	alad	no it's i3
2024-06-04 13:34:59	alad	and polybar
2024-06-04 13:36:05	⚡ 	gromit puts alad in his systray
2024-06-04 13:36:11	alad	>: |
2024-06-04 13:36:23	Earnestly	I've tended to use workspaces as "systrays", that is instead of a dedicated icon, I just leave the program running like any normal one
2024-06-04 13:36:50	◣	sroso (~sroso@user/SrOso) has quit (Quit: Leaving :))
2024-06-04 13:37:24	Earnestly	(With "menu style" driven heirarchical keybinds. I.e. W-m places you in music bindings mode where individual keys can be used to operate on it)
2024-06-04 13:37:55	teraflops	alad: no sway? 
2024-06-04 13:38:03	alad	teraflops: I had sway for some time when I had monitors of different dpi
2024-06-04 13:38:06	alad	but wayland SUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS
2024-06-04 13:38:11	teraflops	heh
2024-06-04 13:38:37	Earnestly	I still have to try it
2024-06-04 13:38:48	alad	it's interesting to play around with either way
2024-06-04 13:38:50	teraflops	my solution to multi monitor setup is get rid of it by purchasing a 32" one
2024-06-04 13:38:55	alad	>: O
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2024-06-04 13:41:05	Earnestly	I sort of agree, one wide boi
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2024-06-04 13:42:21	Earnestly	Although I prefer dimentionally smaller, difficult to find 2K/4K between 21" and 24", needed to have a high enough pixel density for smooth aa/subpix
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2024-06-04 13:43:39	teraflops	I had one of those 34 curved 21:9 monitors, didn't convince me.
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2024-06-04 13:44:28	Earnestly	Yes, I'm also not a fan. Not that wide and not curved, without much of a bezel. Hard to find
2024-06-04 13:44:37	oldnigga	hello
2024-06-04 13:44:49	ponies	!ops
2024-06-04 13:44:50	phrik	alad, BrainDamage, gehidore/man, grawity, jelle, MrElendig/Mion, Namarrgon
2024-06-04 13:44:58	ponies	this is already bad i can tell 
2024-06-04 13:45:16	alad	what
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2024-06-04 13:45:27	alad	phrik: kick ponies
2024-06-04 13:45:28	phrik	alad: Error: I need to be at least halfopped to kick someone.
2024-06-04 13:45:35	alad	phrik: services op
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2024-06-04 13:45:36	ponies	oi!
2024-06-04 13:45:39	alad	TRY ME AGAIN PUNK
2024-06-04 13:45:53	Earnestly	teraflops: Ended up with P24h-20 wide, it's quite nice
2024-06-04 13:47:15	teraflops	that is a good one, mine is a 3rd gen qd oled one, I'm kind of worried about burn-in, let's see
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2024-06-04 13:49:20	Earnestly	It'll be interesting to see how much of an effect burn has in the long term, so far it seems to be a non-issue
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2024-06-04 13:50:22	Earnestly	(I just wish these monitors could reduce brightness much more than is offered through the controllers or ddc)
2024-06-04 13:50:42	teraflops	well msi grants 3 years warranty against burn-in, that helps 
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2024-06-04 14:27:10	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1445 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1444 regular)
2024-06-04 14:27:11	ariejan	It's /boot
2024-06-04 14:27:12	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-06-04 14:27:39	Scimmia	and you actually used that when you ran the command instead of 'esp' like you posted here?
2024-06-04 14:27:48	astralc	so you used --efi-directory=/boot in the grub-install?
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2024-06-04 14:29:45	ariejan	Yes, I just copied it from the wiki. 
2024-06-04 14:29:50	ariejan	astralc yes.
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2024-06-04 14:31:42	Scimmia	if you unmount /boot, is there anything in that dir?
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2024-06-04 14:32:10	gdamjan	is there a tool that can show me what instruction sets my cpu supports?
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2024-06-04 14:33:01	astralc	lscpu
2024-06-04 14:33:23	ariejan	Scimmia apparently there is.. Just the /grub directory. 
2024-06-04 14:33:52	ariejan	But. Those files are also on the /boot partition (and newer)
2024-06-04 14:33:54	Scimmia	yeah, so it wasn't mounted when you installed grub. Now grub is looking for the config on  your root partition instead of the /boot partition
2024-06-04 14:34:32	Scimmia	or, more likely, it was mounted somewhere else?
2024-06-04 14:34:38	ariejan	Let me reboot the installer usb and try again. 
2024-06-04 14:39:03	ariejan	Same thing. Cleaned out /boot. Ran the grub-install and grub-mkconfig commands again. 
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2024-06-04 14:39:19	ariejan	I did see an ERROR flash by before I'm dropped to the grub shell. 
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2024-06-04 14:39:47	astralc	secure boot?
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2024-06-04 14:40:32	ariejan	astralc: has been disabled in bios
2024-06-04 14:41:38	Foxboron	astralc: Grub doesn't drop you into a shell in secure boot mode, fwiw
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2024-06-04 14:42:48	astralc	right
2024-06-04 14:42:56	ariejan	Okay, this is going to be a facepalm moment if this work.s 
2024-06-04 14:43:15	ariejan	🤦‍♂️
2024-06-04 14:43:39	astralc	I don't remember is "grub>" command line mean "there is not config" compared to "grub rescue>"?
2024-06-04 14:44:00	astralc	*"there is no config"
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2024-06-04 14:44:27	ariejan	Aparently my bios was booting the wrong disk.... another one. Where grub was also installed. But that's now a data disk for windows. 
2024-06-04 14:44:57	ariejan	Set it to the correct hdd, and I now get to the grub boot menu. My /boot wipe remove vm_linuz and friends, so I'm going to restore those now. 
2024-06-04 14:44:57	astralc	as uefi fallback?
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2024-06-04 14:47:55	ariejan	Well, bios just offers "UEFI Hard Disk", and because I didn't get my windows bootloader, I assumed it was grabbing my Arch one. 
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2024-06-04 14:49:03	ariejan	It boots. 
2024-06-04 14:49:07	ariejan	Thanks for your help all. 
2024-06-04 14:49:18	ariejan	As usual the problem was behind the keyboard. 
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2024-06-04 15:47:30	jdarnley	Do I have to do anything special for unicode filenames in a package?
2024-06-04 15:47:37	jdarnley	makepkg is complaining
2024-06-04 15:49:13	jdarnley	During compressing
2024-06-04 15:49:23	jdarnley	: Can't translate pathname 'usr/share/games/rimworld/Data/Core/Languages/Catalan (Català).tar' to UTF-8
2024-06-04 15:49:30	jdarnley	and several more
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2024-06-04 15:54:39	gromit	jdarnley: which compression are you using?
2024-06-04 15:54:46	jdarnley	zstd
2024-06-04 15:55:34	jdarnley	Shouldn't the filenames be handled by tar anyway?  Granted I don't know it operates under the surface
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2024-06-04 15:58:56	BrainDamage	can you pastebin the output of "locale"?
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2024-06-04 15:59:44	jdarnley	oh shit is my bad attempt at forcing ISO dates going to be screwing this up?
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2024-06-04 16:00:13	mpan	Depends on the output of `locale`. Hence the request to share it.
2024-06-04 16:00:13	jdarnley	Everything except LC_ALL is "en_EN.UTF-8"
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2024-06-04 16:00:42	mpan	What is en_EN?
2024-06-04 16:01:02	jdarnley	My own locale.  en_US with sensible date formatting
2024-06-04 16:01:19	mpan	Try en_US.UTF-8 and see if that helps. Note that this only has to be set for your current shell, not the entire system.
2024-06-04 16:01:28	mpan	(of course en_US.UTF-8 must also be generated)
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2024-06-04 16:04:18	BrainDamage	you said LC_ALL is set differently
2024-06-04 16:04:35	BrainDamage	... what's the actual value of LC_ALL?
2024-06-04 16:04:41	BrainDamage	because that one overrides everything else
2024-06-04 16:04:55	jdarnley	blank
2024-06-04 16:05:09	jdarnley	LC_ALL=
2024-06-04 16:05:12	BrainDamage	next time, please do pastebin as requested
2024-06-04 16:05:29	BrainDamage	your interpretation only added unneeded confusion
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2024-06-04 16:05:57	mpan	Either way, generate en_US.UTF-8, set it for the current shell, retry.
2024-06-04 16:06:02	BrainDamage	^
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2024-06-04 16:06:08	mpan	As for a sane English locale, see: en_IE.UTF-8 ;). Not completely sane, but saner than en_US.UTF-8. But that’s is separate, after THIS issue is fixed.
2024-06-04 16:06:25	BrainDamage	iirc there's even a C.UTF-8 builtin nowdays
2024-06-04 16:07:34	jdarnley	EVen with https://0x0.st/-pkA.txt I still get the same error
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2024-06-04 16:08:24	BrainDamage	try running the same command inthe pkgbuild, and see if the output differs
2024-06-04 16:08:37	jdarnley	I don't knoww hat the command is
2024-06-04 16:08:49	jdarnley	It is under "  -> Compressing package..."
2024-06-04 16:08:56	BrainDamage	locale, the command
2024-06-04 16:09:03	jdarnley	oh sorry
2024-06-04 16:09:10	BrainDamage	to see if something in your setup overrides locale inside makepkg
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2024-06-04 16:10:58	jdarnley	No change to locale in the package() function
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2024-06-04 16:15:20	BrainDamage	this is a bit odd, the letter is represented correctly in the console, so I'd assume that it's using correctly utf-8
2024-06-04 16:15:38	BrainDamage	unless the output and the internal filename encoding somehow differ
2024-06-04 16:15:55	jdarnley	It appears to be corect in my terminal
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2024-06-04 16:16:03	jdarnley	Let me find a nonlatin one
2024-06-04 16:16:30	jdarnley	Can't translate pathname 'usr/share/games/rimworld/Data/Core/Languages/Japanese (日本語).tar' to UTF-8
2024-06-04 16:16:53	BrainDamage	yeah, that's proper utf-8 as well, no mojibake
2024-06-04 16:17:00	mpan	I tested in composed/decomposed forms, so not a matter of that. [fyi]
2024-06-04 16:17:12	mpan	jdarnley: what is the file system on which you are building this package?
2024-06-04 16:17:23	jdarnley	I've tried both ext4 and tmpfs
2024-06-04 16:18:06	BrainDamage	there was a command to try to guess the encoding, I think it was iconv?
2024-06-04 16:18:19	BrainDamage	you could try to run it on the files inside the package
2024-06-04 16:18:40	jdarnley	During extraction or when they are on the filesystem?
2024-06-04 16:19:01	BrainDamage	in the package function, right before it ends
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2024-06-04 16:20:29	mpan	Also, to exclude some weirdness: `pacman -Q tar glibc`.
2024-06-04 16:20:31	BrainDamage	ah, python chardet has a tool for guessing
2024-06-04 16:20:40	jdarnley	I can't see "guess" in the iconv manpage
2024-06-04 16:20:55	jdarnley	hm okay
2024-06-04 16:22:45	BrainDamage	something like find "${pkgdir}" -exec chardect {} +
2024-06-04 16:23:05	jdarnley	This program https://github.com/chardet/chardet ?
2024-06-04 16:23:11	BrainDamage	chardetect, sorry
2024-06-04 16:23:33	BrainDamage	it's packaged inside python-chardet
2024-06-04 16:23:34	mpan	python-chardet package
2024-06-04 16:23:49	jdarnley	gotcha
2024-06-04 16:25:16	mpan	While on invoking pacman, please provide the output of `pacman -Q tar glibc`.
2024-06-04 16:26:23	jdarnley	tar 1.35-2
2024-06-04 16:26:25	jdarnley	glibc 2.39+r52+gf8e4623421-1
2024-06-04 16:26:46	mpan	Thanks (we are on the same page then).
2024-06-04 16:26:47	jdarnley	a little out of date but less than a month old
2024-06-04 16:27:00	mpan	Perfectly up to date for those two packages.
2024-06-04 16:28:18	jdarnley	Doesn't chardetect detect the encoding of the contents of a file?
2024-06-04 16:29:22	mpan	It does. I didn’t verified what BrainDamage said.
2024-06-04 16:29:44	mpan	If you skip the filename, it will read from stdin, tho.
2024-06-04 16:30:25	jdarnley	Unsurpringly ls outputs utf-8
2024-06-04 16:30:27	BrainDamage	put the paths in a file, and run chardetect on that
2024-06-04 16:31:06	BrainDamage	( and yes, my mistake, I skimmed too fast the manual )
2024-06-04 16:31:24	jdarnley	its fine
2024-06-04 16:34:24	mpan	jdarnley: did you try tar-ing the files directly and see what happens?
2024-06-04 16:34:27	quitman	I'm running xorg and tried wayland. Now i want to remove wayland but if u use pacman -Rs it tells me it will break alot of packages i use. Can i safetly remove it? The dependencies are packages that work with X.
2024-06-04 16:34:40	ponies	dont remove wayland
2024-06-04 16:34:41	jdarnley	I haven't but I'll try
2024-06-04 16:34:56	quitman	ok
2024-06-04 16:35:18	ponies	you should just use wayland anyway 
2024-06-04 16:35:33	mpan	!^citation
2024-06-04 16:35:34	@phrik	⁽ᶜⁱᵗᵃᵗⁱᵒⁿ ⁿᵉᵉᵈᵉᵈ⁾
2024-06-04 16:35:39	quitman	ponies: Maybe, someday ;)
2024-06-04 16:36:08	mpan	quitman: having wayland (the package) installed is not causing Wayland use by anything.
2024-06-04 16:36:09	ponies	ok, Fedora, Ubuntu, Mint, Debian, blah blah 
2024-06-04 16:36:50	mpan	quitman: the package itself was, I suspect, installed as a dependency even before you tried to use Wayland.
2024-06-04 16:37:01	quitman	mpan: okay :)
2024-06-04 16:37:10	mpan	What you want to remove are packages you installed for your testing. See /var/log/pacman.log at that time for a hint.
2024-06-04 16:37:44	quitman	okay
2024-06-04 16:38:30	aVfH	 is there any risk to making /var/cache/pacman/pkg owned by  $USER:$USER instead of root for Syncthing to sync the packages? Would it be better in any way to instead make my own /var/cache/pacman/my-pkg owned by $USER:$USER and use that instead to not change permissions/ownership of system directories? 
2024-06-04 16:38:35	aVfH	Also, are there any reasons not to repo-remove an older version of a package that gets replaced by the newer version? I assume pacman does this automatically so I mean for custom repos like for packages built from the AUR (should I distinguish between packages from from the AUR and ones where I modified the PKGBUILD and built myself, i.e. have a repo for each or keep them together?)
2024-06-04 16:39:25	gromit	aVfH: why would you want to sync there? 
2024-06-04 16:39:32	mpan	quitman: Wayland is a protocol and wayland (the package) provides things allowing applications to communicate using Wayland (protocol). It does not contain any display logic itself: this is handled by something else you had installed.
2024-06-04 16:39:37	ponies	i suppose xwayland isn't needed as much anymore 
2024-06-04 16:39:54	gromit	aVfH: I dont understand the motivation for the ownership change
2024-06-04 16:40:11	aVfH	 Syncthing can't sync directories owned by root. i have multiple Arch machines on LAN
2024-06-04 16:40:13	quitman	mpan: alright :)
2024-06-04 16:40:50	rcf	BrainDamage, mpan: note that makepkg itself overrides current locale to C no matter what you do https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman/-/blame/master/scripts/makepkg.sh.in#L629
2024-06-04 16:40:55	@phrik	Title: Blame · scripts/makepkg.sh.in · master · Pacman / Pacman · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-06-04 16:41:26	rcf	And it’s bastard
2024-06-04 16:41:37	rcf	…bsdtar
2024-06-04 16:41:50	BrainDamage	appropriate typo
2024-06-04 16:42:15	jdarnley	No complaints from tar when I run tar in package()
2024-06-04 16:42:22	jdarnley	but maybe I need bsdtar
2024-06-04 16:42:36	rcf	LANG=C bsdtar 
2024-06-04 16:42:43	rcf	To match makepkg 
2024-06-04 16:43:33	gromit	aVfH: you could also export your packages locally via https and use something like the newly introduced CacheServer directive ^_^
2024-06-04 16:43:33	rcf	Note that if this is actually like bsd’s tar, this is not a fatal error. 
2024-06-04 16:43:55	mpan	rcf++
2024-06-04 16:44:14	rcf	However makepkg will treat it as one 
2024-06-04 16:44:25	mpan	I was testing it with tar tar myself. Let me retest.
2024-06-04 16:44:26	BrainDamage	I guess if the input is utf-8 and you treat the strings transparently the encoding will be preserved and will remain utf-8 correctly
2024-06-04 16:45:20	jdarnley	Ah ha!
2024-06-04 16:45:28	jdarnley	bsdtar on its own is fine
2024-06-04 16:45:35	mpan	Ok, can reproduce.
2024-06-04 16:45:40	jdarnley	LANG=C produces the messages
2024-06-04 16:45:44	rcf	BrainDamage: it comes down to POSIX’s brain dead decision to mandate UTF-8 for pax but refuse to touch the filesystem. 
2024-06-04 16:45:53	mpan	But works with C.UTF-8…
2024-06-04 16:45:56	mpan	rcf++
2024-06-04 16:46:18	mpan	Three brains are better than two (both damaged).
2024-06-04 16:46:32	rcf	You cannot have transparent binary in a “modern” tar file’s paths. 
2024-06-04 16:47:05	mpan	And I can reproduce it with a simple file named ‘ą’ in the current dir.
2024-06-04 16:48:48	rcf	Amusingly pacman refused to extract Unicode paths at some point in 2014; now makepkg cannot create them.
2024-06-04 16:49:08	mpan	There must be balance in nature.
2024-06-04 16:49:21	jdarnley	I'm going to check what ends up in the final package
2024-06-04 16:49:38	rcf	jdarnley: does the makepkg process complete?
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2024-06-04 16:50:42	jdarnley	rcf: yes but listing the files gives me several errors
2024-06-04 16:50:44	jdarnley	tar: Ignoring unknown extended header keyword 'hdrcharset
2024-06-04 16:51:00	rcf	jdarnley: you must use bsdtar
2024-06-04 16:51:34	jdarnley	both programs appear to list the path correctly
2024-06-04 16:52:06	rcf	jdarnley: oh, so it is smart enough to recognize the nonfatal nature of the error. 
2024-06-04 16:52:58	jdarnley	Yes it appears to be nonfatal but I will attempt installing with pacman
2024-06-04 16:53:27	mpan	Still I suppose that should be reported as a bug to be tracked (in makepkg).
2024-06-04 16:55:12	rcf	It’s really a defect to use C as a locale with bsdtar, yes. 
2024-06-04 16:56:19	jdarnley	No errors or warnings from pacman
2024-06-04 16:56:24	rcf	Unless you revert to an earlier format, or hdcharset can be set to C without violating the standard to get binary strings. In which case it’s a bug in bsdtar 
2024-06-04 16:57:06	jdarnley	BrainDamage, mpan, rcf: thanks for your input
2024-06-04 16:58:58	aljustiet	How can I keep output instead of clearing when quitting less pager?
2024-06-04 16:59:16	aljustiet	In the archiso, it didn't clear.
2024-06-04 16:59:38	rcf	Do we include tmux 
2024-06-04 16:59:55	rcf	Wait I totally misread that disregard 
2024-06-04 17:00:57	BrainDamage	you could try to inspect $LESS and which less on the arch iso
2024-06-04 17:01:29	BrainDamage	the manual is quite long, so it might be faster
2024-06-04 17:09:06	zipper	Hello, any of you guys got VTune working and doing CPU profiling?
2024-06-04 17:11:10	zipper	What are the chances that I could break my install doing this https://gist.github.com/urbanslug/ba9ecc14364400dca653504fec68124b#file-drivers-readme-L87
2024-06-04 17:13:28	Scimmia	zipper: just to build a module? Just install the headers package for your kernel
2024-06-04 17:14:09	zipper	I run the default one
2024-06-04 17:14:15	zipper	Okay let me find it I guess
2024-06-04 17:14:19	Scimmia	zipper: but if it hasn't been updated since 2011, there's little chance it'll work with current kernels
2024-06-04 17:14:44	zipper	they are installed
2024-06-04 17:14:54	zipper	Ah crap
2024-06-04 17:19:41	aljustiet	BrainDamage: Here what I have: https://lookimg.com/images/2024/06/04/QX6Lg3.png
2024-06-04 17:19:42	bt7274	I found an old archinstall usb drive that I want to use to install arch, but the manual way. Is this possible?
2024-06-04 17:19:59	Edu4rdSHL	bt7274, how old?
2024-06-04 17:20:48	bt7274	Edu4rdSHL: I think I grab the image earlier this year
2024-06-04 17:21:39	bt7274	I'll check
2024-06-04 17:21:50	Edu4rdSHL	It should work fine (make sure to update the keyring first)
2024-06-04 17:21:53	magesing	hi all, I'm trying to install `mesa-git` but apparently it's currently suffering from an [upstream bug](https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/11178) I've been trying to checkout older commits to get a version which builds... but no luck so far. Any advice on how to choose an appropriate commit of mesa-git to build would be appreciated.
2024-06-04 17:21:59	@phrik	Title: Sign in · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2024-06-04 17:22:19	Edu4rdSHL	magesing, use the repos version
2024-06-04 17:22:21	ponies	magesing: mesa is in the repos
2024-06-04 17:22:26	Edu4rdSHL	Why do you want to use -git?
2024-06-04 17:22:56	magesing	I've been having some issues with 3d-accelerated programs crashing, and wanted to try the AUR version to see if that would resolve it
2024-06-04 17:23:06	Edu4rdSHL	It will not
2024-06-04 17:23:18	Edu4rdSHL	But anyways, the patch is right there on the issue
2024-06-04 17:23:24	ponies	why are they crashing? 
2024-06-04 17:23:59	BrainDamage	aljustiet: check also lesskey, but that one is a bit annoying to find because there's so many paths
2024-06-04 17:24:03	magesing	ponies well, I thought it might be a driver-version issue, but it's hard to know for sure
2024-06-04 17:24:08	bt7274	Edu4rdSHL: says 11/2023
2024-06-04 17:24:27	bt7274	kinda sorta earlier this year
2024-06-04 17:25:10	Edu4rdSHL	bt7274, try updating the ISO keyring `pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring` and then just follow the process 
2024-06-04 17:25:14	bt7274	its the 6.5.9 kernel so not bad
2024-06-04 17:26:07	bt7274	Edu4rdSHL: alright, I haven't setup the iwctl yet.
2024-06-04 17:27:03	magesing	Having previously installed `mesa-git` how do I get it to install `mesa` without complaining about dependencies like [this](https://paste.rs/F38Fg.txt)
2024-06-04 17:28:08	Scimmia	magesing: you need to install those other things at the same time
2024-06-04 17:28:36	Scimmia	or remove the things that require them
2024-06-04 17:29:36	magesing	Scimmia thanks, installing them all with the same pacman command worked well
2024-06-04 17:30:42	magesing	now it's time to re-start and see if I still have the ability to output graphics to my screen :P
2024-06-04 17:33:48	bt7274	Edu4rdSHL: alrigh, should I be looking for anything after update the ISO keyring? It says proceed with installation.
2024-06-04 17:34:07	bt7274	no issues
2024-06-04 17:35:53	jdarnley	The suggestion to update the keyring separately is purely to avoid problems with new keys being used to sign packages when you install them
2024-06-04 17:36:11	bt7274	Edu4rdSHL: by follow the process, you mean the manual install?
2024-06-04 17:36:17	Edu4rdSHL	Yes
2024-06-04 17:36:23	Edu4rdSHL	It should just work
2024-06-04 17:36:28	bt7274	cool, thank you Edu4rdSHL  and jdarnley 
2024-06-04 17:36:59	bt7274	right, cause isn't the archinstall included in the default iso anyway?
2024-06-04 17:38:24	bt7274	or somehow ever it is
2024-06-04 17:41:31	Edu4rdSHL	bt7274, it's included since some time ago
2024-06-04 17:52:36	bt7274	oh goodness, which font is simlar to sans-serif ? I don't know the ones from /usr/share/kbd/consolefonts
2024-06-04 17:54:26	rcf	bt7274: https://adeverteuil.github.io/linux-console-fonts-screenshots/ for samples 
2024-06-04 17:54:28	@phrik	Title: Linux Console Fonts (at adeverteuil.github.io)
2024-06-04 17:55:03	bt7274	rcf: thank you. I was about to read the README files. :(
2024-06-04 18:08:57	stewi	It's been 3 years, it's time I fix my locale issues. LC_ALL is unset everywhere and most programs complain about falling back to 'C' locale.
2024-06-04 18:09:07	stewi	All other LC variables are correctly set
2024-06-04 18:10:03	Namarrgon	Are you using kde?
2024-06-04 18:10:14	stewi	yes
2024-06-04 18:10:29	Namarrgon	Look at the troubleshooting part of the locale wikipage.
2024-06-04 18:12:27	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-06-04 18:12:35	stewi	Ok, them my assumption that that's the reason programs complain and compilation of some programs fails was incorrect. I don't specifically need LC_ALL.
2024-06-04 18:13:00	Namarrgon	I don't mean that but yes, LC_ALL should not be set in locale.conf
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2024-06-04 18:13:42	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Locale#My_system_is_still_using_wrong_language
2024-06-04 18:13:43	@phrik	Title: Locale - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-04 18:14:10	stewi	!paste
2024-06-04 18:14:11	@phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-06-04 18:16:30	Root-Atlas	If aur pkg has red on the version does that mean it's malicious or buggy?
2024-06-04 18:16:49	Root-Atlas	Nvm
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2024-06-04 18:16:54	gromit	Root-Atlas: no this means that the package has been flagged out of date
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2024-06-04 18:16:56	Namarrgon	...
2024-06-04 18:16:57	stewi	http://0x0.st/Xqy8.txt
2024-06-04 18:16:57	gromit	Ah well
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2024-06-04 18:17:19	stewi	This is what I see for almost every program.
2024-06-04 18:17:22	Namarrgon	stewi: localedef --list-archive
2024-06-04 18:17:42	Namarrgon	Also post /etc/locale.conf
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2024-06-04 18:18:49	stewi	http://0x0.st/XqyZ.txt
2024-06-04 18:18:52	MacGyver	(I answered them in #linux, where there was some scaremongering about malicious code existing in the AUR)
2024-06-04 18:19:16	Namarrgon	stewi: Did you build the sv_SE.utf8 locale?
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2024-06-04 18:19:43	stewi	SHIT
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2024-06-04 18:20:15	Namarrgon	Also make sure that you have neither of the two files the wiki lists.
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2024-06-04 18:23:07	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-06-04 18:23:07	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1466 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1465 regular)
2024-06-04 18:22:24	stewi	ah, 3 years and it was that stupid thing. I've revisited this so many times and never found a solution...
2024-06-04 18:22:58	MacGyver	*3 years*?
2024-06-04 18:23:07	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-06-04 18:23:10	stewi	Since I installed this system.
2024-06-04 18:23:24	MacGyver	You've been having this problem all the way back since then?
2024-06-04 18:23:49	stewi	Yes, and I've been ignoring it, investigated a couple times.
2024-06-04 18:23:56	MacGyver	Ouch.
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2024-06-04 18:24:51	stewi	Needed a fresh set of eyes. Always missed the swedish time in LC_TIME.
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2024-06-04 18:39:47	bt7274	hm, so if I follow the wiki and try to install lvm2 I hit a dependency conflict for mkinitcpio
2024-06-04 18:40:36	bt7274	my thought is just use the lvm command
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2024-06-04 18:40:58	Betal	which wiki link?
2024-06-04 18:41:10	teraflops	bt7274: it conflicts with lvm  mkinitcpio<38-1
2024-06-04 18:41:42	teraflops	mkinitcpio is 39.2-2
2024-06-04 18:41:49	bt7274	teraflops: it says mkinitcpio-archiso
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2024-06-04 18:42:33	teraflops	you did not say so in the first place
2024-06-04 18:42:43	bt7274	teraflops: my bad
2024-06-04 18:43:44	bt7274	Betal: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/LVM#Installation
2024-06-04 18:43:45	@phrik	Title: LVM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-06-04 18:44:27	bt7274	I want to ask if this is because the iso is archinstall
2024-06-04 18:44:40	astralc	lvm work in archiso (outside the chroot) without installing more things
2024-06-04 18:44:59	bt7274	astralc: good to know, thanks.
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2024-06-04 19:20:42	h4k1m0u	Hi everyone, does `xxd` show the content of a binary file in little endian by default (and in big endian with -e option)? I know the manual says the opposite, but I'm observing the behavior as described in my question, which is weird (I'm on an x86 architecture)
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2024-06-04 19:47:28	rcf	h4k1m0u: the manpage behavior is correct. 
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2024-06-04 20:01:21	h4k1m0u	rcf, I guess so, I probably got it the other way around in my head. I didn't think reading the file in little-endian (xdd -e) would swap the bytes, which would eventually show the values saved (in the correct order)
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2024-06-04 20:23:48	flower_	meh grub problem after install, efi, I've a few boot options, previous install I had to choose GRUB, but now it drops into the grub shell
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2024-06-04 20:24:36	flower_	there is one old 24GB ssd in this hp laptop, the system tries to find the efi there I suppose
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2024-06-04 20:31:35	flower_	it's probably the weakest link of the installation guide
2024-06-04 20:32:06	Namarrgon	Where was the ESP mounted?
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2024-06-04 20:35:24	flower_	mounted at /boot
2024-06-04 20:35:38	Namarrgon	You mounted it before you ran pacstrap?
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2024-06-04 20:36:34	flower_	I followed the installation guide
2024-06-04 20:36:49	Namarrgon	How did you install and configure grub?
2024-06-04 20:37:36	Ingar	in the /boot of the installation image, or in /mnt/boot ?
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2024-06-04 20:37:50	flower_	grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=esp --bootloader-id=GRUB
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2024-06-04 20:38:01	flower_	where esp was 
2024-06-04 20:38:02	Namarrgon	what did you replace "esp" with?
2024-06-04 20:38:23	flower_	I think /mnt/boot
2024-06-04 20:38:34	Namarrgon	That would be wrong.
2024-06-04 20:39:09	flower_	hm
2024-06-04 20:39:37	flower_	yeah I see
2024-06-04 20:39:46	flower_	but I think I made that mistake
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2024-06-04 20:41:29	flower_	so what's next? Live iso? Or just try it again?
2024-06-04 20:41:52	Namarrgon	Well, if it doesn't boot you have no other choice but to boot back into the iso.
2024-06-04 20:42:23	flower_	I did a netboot :)
2024-06-04 20:42:33	flower_	so then I need to make a iso
2024-06-04 20:42:37	Namarrgon	Mount your filesystems again, scrape /mnt/mnt/boot out of there, if it exists, and then install grub properly.
2024-06-04 20:43:12	flower_	the live iso is without desktop right?
2024-06-04 20:43:16	flower_	without gui
2024-06-04 20:43:21	Namarrgon	Yes, it's just a terminal.
2024-06-04 20:43:29	flower_	ok 
2024-06-04 20:43:48	flower_	sounds doable thx
2024-06-04 20:44:05	⚡ 	flower_ makes some coffee
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2024-06-04 21:32:08	flower_	hm no I think I did install grub the right way actually
2024-06-04 21:32:26	flower_	if I chroot into the system, all is there in /boot
2024-06-04 21:32:34	flower_	while /mnt is empty
2024-06-04 21:33:02	Namarrgon	What is in (/mnt)/boot when (/mnt)/boot is not mounted?
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2024-06-04 21:35:07	flower_	Namarrgon: then it is empty
2024-06-04 21:35:41	Namarrgon	How did you configure grub?
2024-06-04 21:36:00	flower_	not
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2024-06-04 21:36:17	Namarrgon	Then it works as expected.
2024-06-04 21:36:38	Namarrgon	No grub.cfg, no menu.
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2024-06-04 21:38:50	flower_	it's tricky one. Easy to miss in the (install) docs
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2024-06-04 23:05:00	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-06-04 23:05:00	ℹ 	Topic set by phrik (~phrik@phrik.archlinux.org) on Sat, 10 Feb 2024 18:25:44
2024-06-04 23:05:00	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1463 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1462 regular)
2024-06-04 23:05:01	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-06-04 23:05:03	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-06-04 23:15:29	⚡ 	gromit just quickly wanted to debug a qtcreator crash
2024-06-04 23:15:40	⚡ 	gromit is still downloading debuginfo 10 min later
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2024-06-04 23:18:16	⚡ 	ridge finds themselves cursing long debug symbol downloads a lot as well.
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2024-06-04 23:54:24	gromit	ridge: well even if it takes long, the integration via debuginfod is amazing
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2024-06-04 23:54:47	ridge	100% wouldn't have it any other way despite the time it takes =)
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2024-06-05 00:01:29	Grehtn	hello I'm trying to understand the output of dool (fork of dstat) sudo dool --net --top-io-adv, it's saying systemd-j is sending and receiving bytes, so does that mean some program is using systemd-j to send to a server?
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2024-06-05 00:04:11	flower__	hm new ssd gives error messages when booting? https://paste.debian.net/1319211/
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2024-06-05 00:05:42	gromit	flower__: which kernel version are you on and whats your SSD model? 
2024-06-05 00:05:49	gromit	I think I know whats causing this 
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2024-06-05 00:06:20	flower__	inux archhost 6.6.32-1-lts #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Sat, 25 May 2024 20:20:51 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2024-06-05 00:06:49	flower__	mx500 crucial
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2024-06-05 00:08:04	gromit	https://lore.kernel.org/all/ZlY8SbGVMHho-dLz@ryzen.lan/
2024-06-05 00:08:05	@phrik	Title: Re: [REGRESSION][BISECTED] Scheduling errors with the AMD FX 8300 CPU - Niklas Cassel (at lore.kernel.org)
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2024-06-05 00:08:17	gromit	its not the issue mentioned in the title 
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2024-06-05 00:09:14	flower__	it's a (very) old hp elitebook 8770w
2024-06-05 00:09:50	flower__	Model=CT500MX500SSD1, FwRev=M3CR046, SerialNo=2350E888D8C9
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2024-06-05 00:10:34	gromit	flower__: hm there already should be a quirk for your device, I'll check if its already in stable 
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2024-06-05 00:11:56	flower__	I've the same ssd in a x220 thinkpad, without problems, same kernel afaik
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2024-06-05 00:12:56	flower__	I use periodic trim (fstrim.timer)
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2024-06-05 00:14:12	flower__	First few boots went without problems
2024-06-05 00:14:29	gromit	flower__: Hm, no it seems like there is no quirk for your device 
2024-06-05 00:14:36	flower__	hm
2024-06-05 00:14:49	gromit	only for "Crucial_CT512MX100*", "Crucial_CT512MX100*" and "Crucial_CT*MX100*"
2024-06-05 00:14:55	gromit	But I think its just missing for your device
2024-06-05 00:15:12	gromit	flower__: are you familiar with the kernel ML's? 
2024-06-05 00:15:31	flower__	gromit: ML as in mailinglist? nope
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2024-06-05 00:16:43	gromit	flower__: Yeah because I think the next thing to do is to report these issue's to the Upstream kernel ML 
2024-06-05 00:17:20	gromit	flower__: if you want you can open a ticket on the arch bugtracker and we can coordinate there and collect all info so I can submit an upstream bugreport for you 
2024-06-05 00:17:34	demonicm1niac1	as he mentioned it works in his x220 so it seems more like to be a dpm/pcie aspm problem
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2024-06-05 00:17:52	demonicm1niac1	as in acpi/chipset instead of the ssd
2024-06-05 00:18:03	flower__	gromit: you think it's a kernel issue? Not a faulty disk? It also failed to do mkfs.ext4 I think during install
2024-06-05 00:18:48	flower__	failed once, after reboot mkfs.ext4 worked fine (cmd could be contain a typo)
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2024-06-05 00:21:21	gromit	flower__: well it could ofc be a faulty drive, but its exactly the type of issue I have linked 
2024-06-05 00:21:48	gromit	flower__: in order to check you could try to use an older kernel and see if that also reproduces the issue for you i.e. from the 6.8 series
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2024-06-05 00:25:15	flower__	gromit: hm ok
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2024-06-05 00:27:13	flower__	gromit: a smartctl -t short /dev/sda didn't gave errors
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2024-06-05 00:27:36	flower__	how do I get that older kernel
2024-06-05 00:27:53	gromit	demonicm1niac1: also i have no idea what I'm talking about, so if you have any input go ahead!
2024-06-05 00:27:53	demonicm1niac1	flower__ mentioned they are on lts already and 6.6
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2024-06-05 00:28:44	flower__	right
2024-06-05 00:29:04	demonicm1niac1	flower__: try disabling link power management
2024-06-05 00:29:18	flower__	daemonspudguy: that's in the bios?
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2024-06-05 00:29:34	tirnanog	Grehtn: I presume you are referring to systemd-journald, in which case it depends on what you mean by "server". dool is probably accounting for the packets transmitted over the unix domain socket "/run/systemd/journal/socket".
2024-06-05 00:29:37	demonicm1niac1	echo maximum_performance > /sys/class/scsi_host/host*/link_power_management_policy   replacing the * with the relevant host
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2024-06-05 00:30:38	demonicm1niac1	that's not persistent like that would just for now disable it. then i'd honestly with it disabled try to actually reformat from the ground up that ssd at least if it crapped out for the mkfs.ext4 once after partitioning
2024-06-05 00:30:43	tirnanog	Grehtn: you should probably take a look at this also: man 7 unix
2024-06-05 00:30:45	gromit	demonicm1niac1: ah right, its the lts kernel hmm 🤔
2024-06-05 00:30:59	flower__	demonicm1niac1: I've host0 till host6, I don't what kind of host that is
2024-06-05 00:31:18	flower__	I've cpupower enabled
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2024-06-05 00:31:32	flower__	is that related? maximum_performance ....
2024-06-05 00:31:34	demonicm1niac1	flower__: disabling it for all technically doesn't hurt just means none of your drives will go into link power management 
2024-06-05 00:31:48	flower__	ok
2024-06-05 00:33:56	tirnanog	Grehtn: and this, also. https://systemd.io/JOURNAL_NATIVE_PROTOCOL/
2024-06-05 00:33:58	@phrik	Title: Native Journal Protocol (at systemd.io)
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2024-06-05 00:34:57	demonicm1niac1	sometimes switching port can help but that's not really possible for a laptop - sometimes forcing sata 1.5 or 3.0 can help - there's not really any guaranteed cure but in all cases i've seen where it wasn't a dead ssd it was the sata chipset/bios being fucky
2024-06-05 00:35:55	tirnanog	Grehtn: put more simply, there's more to networking than merely physically transmitting packets over ethernet/wi-fi to the intertubes.
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2024-06-05 00:36:48	flower__	bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument
2024-06-05 00:36:49	flower__	hm
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2024-06-05 00:38:08	tirnanog	it is, indeed, an invalid argument. perhaps you wanted "max_performance".
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2024-06-05 00:38:48	flower__	Permission problem?
2024-06-05 00:38:56	flower__	I'm root
2024-06-05 00:38:59	tirnanog	nope.
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2024-06-05 00:39:11	flower__	I can't copy the file either
2024-06-05 00:39:44	flower__	yes, max_performance worked
2024-06-05 00:39:48	tirnanog	well, why would you. it's not a real file. all of sysfs is a pseudo-filesystem.
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2024-06-05 00:40:18	tirnanog	if the kernel raises EINVAL for something you write, it means it, basically.
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2024-06-05 00:40:26	flower__	ah
2024-06-05 00:40:28	tirnanog	"the thing you are trying to write is wrong"
2024-06-05 00:40:33	tirnanog	or unacceptable.
2024-06-05 00:40:50	flower__	that's smart
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2024-06-05 00:41:20	flower__	ok now reboot?
2024-06-05 00:41:59	tirnanog	I wasn't following but if you reboot, that change will be reverted.
2024-06-05 00:42:30	flower__	demonicm1niac1: ^ ?
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2024-06-05 00:44:49	demonicm1niac1	what tirnanog said. since you had issues during formatting/partitioning the drive i would reformat after having set the flag. but if you reboot now that flag will not be active anymore after reset
2024-06-05 00:44:51	tirnanog	reading up, I think they want for you to see whether mkfs.ext4 no longer fails afterdoing that.
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2024-06-05 00:45:42	flower__	that was during install, but now it's already installed
2024-06-05 00:45:44	demonicm1niac1	the way i understood it partitioning seemed to work but mkfs.ext4 failed and you hard locked and had to reboot and then mkfs.ext4 ran through. that's why i'd suggest reformating now after having disabled link power management
2024-06-05 00:46:16	flower__	can I fiddle with something in the bios?
2024-06-05 00:46:23	demonicm1niac1	nop
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2024-06-05 00:46:54	flower__	The laptop can host a hdd1 and a hdd2, try to place it on hdd2?
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2024-06-05 00:47:48	flower__	Make sure it is mounted right? (I can't imagine that's the problem, it came into place smoothly)
2024-06-05 00:50:02	demonicm1niac1	you can disable it for the ahci module i think i forget what the actual parameter is tho
2024-06-05 00:50:07	demonicm1niac1	to boot with it disabled
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2024-06-05 00:54:04	flower__	let's see, thx
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2024-06-05 00:54:04	demonicm1niac1	i think it's ahci.mobile_lpm_policy but i don't have any ahci devices around me atm
2024-06-05 00:54:32	flower__	disable it in the bios or?
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2024-06-05 00:55:52	demonicm1niac1	ahci.mobile_lpm_policy=1 that should be the one. no, add it to your boot line
2024-06-05 00:56:08	demonicm1niac1	setting the ahci module parameter to disable link power mangement completely
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2024-06-05 01:00:39	flower__	demonicm1niac1: sorry, but where is my boot line ? :)
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2024-06-05 01:01:30	flower__	I use grub
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2024-06-05 01:04:15	demonicm1niac1	flower__: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_parameters#GRUB
2024-06-05 01:04:17	@phrik	Title: Kernel parameters - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-06-05 01:08:20	flower__	ok
2024-06-05 01:08:23	flower__	let's try
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2024-06-05 01:14:05	flower__	strange grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg takes ages
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2024-06-05 02:42:46	Edu4rdSHL	That looks horrible
2024-06-05 02:43:06	Edu4rdSHL	Just use sudo
2024-06-05 02:43:14	iqqdq	no
2024-06-05 02:43:35	Edu4rdSHL	Are you even using ArchLinux? What's the purpose of that?
2024-06-05 02:44:28	iqqdq	yea, the purpose is to not install sudo, it works perfectly just wanted do know where its from
2024-06-05 02:44:47	Edu4rdSHL	Install sudo then, if that's the only purpose
2024-06-05 02:44:50	Edu4rdSHL	!next
2024-06-05 02:44:51	@phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2024-06-05 02:45:02	Edu4rdSHL	You don't even understand what it's doing but doesn't want to install sudo
2024-06-05 02:45:58	virtualsid	iqqdq: would be curious to understand why you don't want to install sudo btw
2024-06-05 02:46:31	Edu4rdSHL	Let me guess, bloat! 
2024-06-05 02:46:50	virtualsid	Edu4rdSHL: :(
2024-06-05 02:47:09	iqqdq	because the snippet i posted does everything i would need from sudo (it you dont mind always entering the password)
2024-06-05 02:47:39	virtualsid	oh. I thought there was something bad about sudo :)
2024-06-05 02:47:57	iqqdq	its bloat
2024-06-05 02:48:06	Edu4rdSHL	lmao
2024-06-05 02:48:14	virtualsid	okay, Edu4rdSHL - I give you a point :)
2024-06-05 02:48:38	Edu4rdSHL	I smelled that from miles away! :p 
2024-06-05 02:48:39	virtualsid	my eyes are going fuzzy reading that snippet.
2024-06-05 02:48:58	ridge	it's ok if you don't want to use sudo. you can use doas
2024-06-05 02:49:12	iqqdq	no i dont want to use doas either
2024-06-05 02:49:15	ridge	:P
2024-06-05 02:49:35	virtualsid	ooh, ooh, systemd-run or whatever it's going to be? :)
2024-06-05 02:49:50	virtualsid	we all get that 'for free' when it comes in, right?
2024-06-05 02:49:51	Edu4rdSHL	"I want to use a ugly and hacky bash function that I don't understand because sudo is bloat!"
2024-06-05 02:49:59	virtualsid	(Considering Arch is systemd based)
2024-06-05 02:50:10	Edu4rdSHL	virtualsid, run0!
2024-06-05 02:50:14	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2024-06-05 02:50:24	virtualsid	I thought it was an alias to systemd-run? Now I have to look it up again
2024-06-05 02:50:54	ridge	youre right, it's a symlink
2024-06-05 02:51:16	virtualsid	ah, yes 'systemd-run except with privilege escalation'
2024-06-05 02:51:57	virtualsid	oh, no, systemd-run --shell does it already
2024-06-05 02:52:02	ridge	i'm not personally sold on "run0" but i've been wrong before, so..
2024-06-05 02:52:04	virtualsid	so, yes, purely an alias
2024-06-05 02:52:21	ridge	until i have a reason to switch i'll stick with sudo because It Werks™
2024-06-05 02:52:22	virtualsid	So, systemd already does this, just an alias. I see no big deal here.
2024-06-05 02:52:23	tirnanog	that code is atrocious; whoever wrote it does not understand shell quoting at all. it's not remotely safe and should be jettisoned without a second thought. if you absolutely must use su for some reason, simple commands may be conveyed safely in the fashion of: s() { su -s /bin/bash -c '"$@"' root bash "$@"; }
2024-06-05 02:54:23	tirnanog	don't even need to force bash really, so it can be reduced to: s() { su -c '"$@"' root _ "$@"; }
2024-06-05 02:55:38	iqqdq	doesn't work
2024-06-05 02:55:58	virtualsid	descriptive
2024-06-05 02:57:52	tirnanog	yes it does.
2024-06-05 02:58:56	iqqdq	im gettind `su: invalid option -- 'S'`
2024-06-05 02:59:09	iqqdq	for `s pacman -Syu`
2024-06-05 02:59:51	Edu4rdSHL	Use sudo
2024-06-05 02:59:52	tirnanog	try this then: s() { su -c '"$@"' root -- _ "$@"; }
2024-06-05 02:59:53	Edu4rdSHL	Easy
2024-06-05 03:00:01	tirnanog	signifies end-of-options to su at the appropriate place.
2024-06-05 03:00:06	⚡ 	virtualsid snorts
2024-06-05 03:00:34	virtualsid	tirnanog: what's the underscore doing?
2024-06-05 03:00:41	iqqdq	ok it worked nice
2024-06-05 03:01:03	tirnanog	virtualsid: it's the zeroeth argument to the newly spawned shell (what would be expandable as "$0").
2024-06-05 03:01:16	virtualsid	oooh
2024-06-05 03:01:17	tirnanog	virtualsid: so the first parameter of "$@" (if any) ends up being $1 where we need it, not $0.
2024-06-05 03:01:42	virtualsid	TIL. Thanks!
2024-06-05 03:01:50	tirnanog	this more commonly a pitfall where people try to do things with find -exec sh ...
2024-06-05 03:02:10	tirnanog	(and end up with the first path in each batch not being acted upon)
2024-06-05 03:02:13	virtualsid	only in a shell script, I presume? Or on the command line itself?
2024-06-05 03:02:28	tirnanog	doesn't matter.
2024-06-05 03:02:40	tirnanog	the same considerations apply, whether it's an interactive shell or not.
2024-06-05 03:02:46	virtualsid	oh, hmm. wonder how I haven't hit this before. Or maybe i did, and I just gave up.
2024-06-05 03:03:09	tirnanog	the grammar for sh -c 'shell code goes here' is such that the immediate following operand is always the value of $0
2024-06-05 03:03:10	virtualsid	Anyway, as this isn't Arch related in the slightest, I'll stop asking. Thanks for the education though :)
2024-06-05 03:03:14	tirnanog	then any operand following is $1, then $2 and so on.
2024-06-05 03:03:46	tirnanog	here's a fun way to see that in action: sh -c 'nonexistent-command' my-funny-shell-name
2024-06-05 03:04:08	tirnanog	(the diagnostic message incorporates $0)
2024-06-05 03:07:37	virtualsid	hmm, I think I see. Thanks
2024-06-05 03:08:43	tirnanog	perhaps more illustrative: set -- pacman -Syu; sh -c 'printf "<%s>" "$@"; echo' _ "$@"
2024-06-05 03:08:48	tirnanog	remove _ and see what happens.
2024-06-05 03:09:41	tirnanog	I chose _ just because, strictly speaking, I don't know what root's login shell is in advance, so it can be pretty much anything.
2024-06-05 03:09:44	virtualsid	ah yes. Got it.
2024-06-05 03:09:57	virtualsid	Thanks again :)
2024-06-05 03:10:21	tirnanog	at worst, you might issue a bad command and end up with a funny looking program name in a diagnostic.
2024-06-05 03:11:01	tirnanog	not the end of the world.
2024-06-05 03:11:10	virtualsid	:)
2024-06-05 03:45:24	rarebird15	Hi all. Using IRC on my iPhone because I'm in a bit of a mess. I decided to remove everything but needed packages and start over. Now Pipewire doesn't work. When I do pactl info, I get connection timed out. I can't find any other errors after reinstalling pipewire, pipewire-pulse, and wireplumber, but before I did that I was seeing  failed to lock file and resource temporarily unavailable. 
2024-06-05 03:45:24	rarebird15	Does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix this? 
2024-06-05 03:54:23	iqqdq	tirnanog: so the _ is overwritten by the login shell?
2024-06-05 03:58:29	tirnanog	iqqdq: in your case, the command executed by su internally - I use square brackets here to show where an argument begins and ends - is like: [ bash ] [ -c ] [ $@ ] [ _ ] [ pacman ] [ -Syu ]. it's not overwritten; it just isn't used.
2024-06-05 03:58:42	tirnanog	er, "$@" I mean.
2024-06-05 03:59:01	tirnanog	once inside the shell, "$@" expands $1, $2 ... etc. it doesn't include $0.
2024-06-05 03:59:09	iqqdq	why does $0 get ignored
2024-06-05 03:59:25	tirnanog	for the exact reason I just stated. "$@" does not include $0.
2024-06-05 03:59:31	tirnanog	only $1 onwards.
2024-06-05 03:59:53	iqqdq	oh gotcha
2024-06-05 04:00:01	tirnanog	it's there; we just don't use it.
2024-06-05 04:00:10	iqqdq	dang you're a wizard
2024-06-05 04:00:15	tirnanog	if I didn't put _something_ there, pacman would get swallowed.
2024-06-05 04:00:25	tirnanog	then you'd end up trying to execute a command named "-Syu" instead, which would fail.
2024-06-05 04:00:48	espresso	rarebird15: hmm.. systemctl --user status for those should be active running
2024-06-05 04:00:52	tirnanog	at least, it's pretty unlikely that you have an exectuable named -Syu somewhere in PATH, though it's technically possible :D
2024-06-05 04:02:18	iqqdq	thank you very much
2024-06-05 04:02:39	espresso	rarebird15: maybe also need package pipewire-alsa ?
2024-06-05 04:11:19	rarebird15	Pipewire, pipewire-pulse, and wireplumber are active and running. I'll try installing pipewire-alsa. 
2024-06-05 04:16:48	rarebird15	Still getting connection failure: timeout when running pactl info and no sound.
2024-06-05 04:17:16	snappy	I have a small emergency, pacman is broken, error loading shared libraries libicuuc.so.74, I didn't do a pacman -Syu but I did a pacman -Sy icu and a few other libs; I think I made a dumb mistake because i didn't do a -Syu (which I can't do because zfs-linux versions)
2024-06-05 04:17:47	pulec	pacman -Sy is fine
2024-06-05 04:18:17	tirnanog	it's not in conjunction with one or more package names, necessarily. partiaul upgrades and all that.
2024-06-05 04:18:17	pulec	that libicuuc.so.74 shows up whenever you run pacman?
2024-06-05 04:18:35	snappy	pulec: yes, pacman is broken
2024-06-05 04:19:18	pulec	never seen it
2024-06-05 04:19:21	pulec	google lead me here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Using_an_external_pacman
2024-06-05 04:19:22	@phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-05 04:19:24	tirnanog	anyway, you can use pacman with the --root option from install media to operate on your root filesystem.
2024-06-05 04:19:32	pulec	using archiso
2024-06-05 04:19:50	tirnanog	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_maintenance#Partial_upgrades_are_unsupported
2024-06-05 04:19:51	@phrik	Title: System maintenance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-05 04:20:16	snappy	oh nice, pacman-static, sounds like a lifesaver
2024-06-05 04:20:21	snappy	nice find pulec 
2024-06-05 04:22:13	pulec	anytime
2024-06-05 04:27:05	snappy	nice pacman fixed; did a -Syu but ignored the linux kernel packages and zfs-linux stuff and it looks like somehow things are a lot better now
2024-06-05 04:27:20	pulec	\o/
2024-06-05 04:27:48	tijko	\O/
2024-06-05 04:32:35	espresso	rarebird15: Searching about 'pactl timeout', you find things like: Caused by sddm, or caused by starting portals manually, or by mutilating XDG_RUNTIME_DIR.. Did sound ever work?
2024-06-05 05:00:01	rarebird15	No idea what's going on here. I have pipewire, pipewire-pulse, pipewire-alsa, and wireplumber installed but I get no sound and pactl info gives connection failed: timeout. I removed most packages and started my system over because of problems. I need to get sound going so I can run fenrir, the console screen reader I use since I'm blind. Fenrir is using Sox to output sound icons and speech-
2024-06-05 05:00:01	rarebird15	dispatcher for speech. Any suggestions on how to fix this? I'm lucky brltty is working or I would have no access without sighted help. 
2024-06-05 05:11:09	glitsj16	rarebird15: looking at fenrir's github page now
2024-06-05 05:11:35	glitsj16	rarebird15: did you do the configuration that's mentioned there?
2024-06-05 05:11:51	glitsj16	rarebird15: for both pulse and pipewire?
2024-06-05 05:12:27	glitsj16	rarebird15: https://github.com/chrys87/fenrir#configure-pulseaudio
2024-06-05 05:13:20	glitsj16	rarebird15: after that, move on to https://github.com/chrys87/fenrir#configure-pipewire
2024-06-05 06:08:24	ponies	rarebird15: pipewire and pipewire-pulse are '--user' services 
2024-06-05 06:50:28	kode547	nope
2024-06-05 06:50:37	kode547	loss of main SSD to OS, followed by freeze
2024-06-05 06:50:58	kode547	this time, precipitated by clicking the completion button on a virt-manager wizard, which should have proceeded to the configuration stage
2024-06-05 07:12:34	rcf	rip
2024-06-05 07:24:37	gehidore	Double rip
2024-06-05 07:56:13	kode54	it wasn't a death of the hardware
2024-06-05 07:56:37	kode54	but the system freeze always seems to be preceded by the root filesystem ceasing to accept changes for seconds before the lockup
2024-06-05 07:56:49	kode54	and it doesn't happen to linux-lts
2024-06-05 08:05:22	rarebird15	Hi all. Not sure if anyone who was trying to help me earlier is still on, but I have good news! I'm not sure what I did that fixed it, but I did systemctl enable fenrirscreenreader.service as my user and as root and systemctl enable speech-dispatcherd.service, and ran a script that makes a user for
2024-06-05 08:05:22	rarebird15	fenrir, and that fixed it. My screen reader is now working. I did a lot of that earlier so I'm not sure what I did differently this time, but it worked.
2024-06-05 08:07:52	gehidore	kode54 regression perhaps, does it respond to sysrq
2024-06-05 08:08:07	kode54	gehidore: my keyboard doesn't have a sysrq key :[
2024-06-05 08:08:14	kode54	also, it responded to ctrl-alt-del
2024-06-05 08:08:27	kode54	but then, I had a non-working crash kernel setup running
2024-06-05 08:08:47	kode54	I researched, apparently kdump hasn't worked properly since before 5.15 came out
2024-06-05 08:10:12	kode54	brb reboot
2024-06-05 08:12:50	glitsj16	rarebird15: thank you for returning with such good news :)
2024-06-05 08:16:36	gehidore	kode54 no prtscrn?
2024-06-05 08:19:55	arcturus	does anybody have discord working with wayland?
2024-06-05 08:23:16	BrainDamage	you need to check the flags to pass to electron to get wayland to work properly
2024-06-05 08:23:44	BrainDamage	however, I don't know what electron version they use, and it might be ancient, if it is, it won't work well
2024-06-05 08:24:31	BrainDamage	you could also use a regular browser, and the only functionality loss will be game status report ... which I would consider a benefit
2024-06-05 08:32:13	gehidore	Anything that means I don't have to touch discord is a win IMHO
2024-06-05 08:34:31	Bebef	hi everyone
2024-06-05 08:34:45	luna_	hi
2024-06-05 08:35:10	Bebef	You can install packages with pacstrap during install or just use pacman later. Is there a difference or a reason one should be preferred over the other?
2024-06-05 08:38:49	docvell	hi there all fellow ArchLinux users.  I am new to ArchLinux but not to Linux
2024-06-05 08:43:48	pkt	Bebef: no really, it depends on what you want to do after the first boot. i usually install my fav editor and openssh during install
2024-06-05 08:43:50	mnemon	Bebef: pacstrap is for bootstrapping the system initially, it uses pacman
2024-06-05 08:44:40	Bebef	Right, then I'll stay with my "leaner is better" approach for the initial install :)
2024-06-05 08:45:09	BrainDamage	just bear in mind that if you reboot, you need to have network configured and available
2024-06-05 08:45:25	BrainDamage	and it's a common pitfall to not install wireless networking tools that are needed later
2024-06-05 08:46:23	sweatiest	I'm trying to build ejabberd but erlang-unixodbc packages doesn't exist. What happened to it?
2024-06-05 08:46:31	Bebef	Speaking of pacman, how does uninstall work? There's only the install directive in PKGBUILD. So is that just being processed "backwards"?
2024-06-05 08:47:05	Bebef	BrainDamage: Not sure I want to do the (initial) install wirelessly, but I get your point.
2024-06-05 08:47:11	sweatiest	Bebef: Removes all files belonging to the packages besides the ones specified in the pkgbuild to keep
2024-06-05 08:47:30	Bebef	sweatiest: Yeah, but how does it know which files belong?
2024-06-05 08:47:47	sweatiest	The pacman db contains that information
2024-06-05 08:48:13	sweatiest	pacman -Ql pkgname
2024-06-05 08:48:27	Bebef	Ah, so on an AUR install, pacman would write that information from processing the PKGBUILD during install into the database?
2024-06-05 08:49:25	BrainDamage	no, pacman knows nothing of pkgbuilds, the package itself has the information committed to a file
2024-06-05 08:49:32	BrainDamage	and pacman parses that file
2024-06-05 08:50:07	BrainDamage	makepkg assembles the file and includes it in the package, and pacman will use the file list
2024-06-05 08:50:31	Bebef	I see. Thanks :)
2024-06-05 08:51:35	BrainDamage	in general pkgbuilds are considered dangerous to run since they are a sequence of commands, while information is just a bunch of static declarative data
2024-06-05 08:52:26	BrainDamage	so arch tooling avoids running pkgbuilds outside of makepkg, and will instead rely on declarative formats for the output
2024-06-05 08:52:32	BrainDamage	hence .SRCINFO and the like
2024-06-05 09:11:38	eson123	this is weird for me but whenever i try to suspend my computer, it turns off for a few seconds then always automatically turn on back no matter what i do or do not do, anyone facing the same problem ? i mean this didn't happen when i used to use Debian and here is my dmesg log https://termbin.com/m1jv
2024-06-05 09:28:42	dumbledoor	If I do not interact with anything outside a window but only do things on the window using mouse and keyboard, KDE dims the display according to the Dim automatically setting. Is this normal?
2024-06-05 09:30:22	dumbledoor	I've been constantly scrolling a pdf on Zathura, but KDE doesn't detect that as me being active and dims the screen every 20 minutes according to the Dim automatically setting.
2024-06-05 09:37:45	Cityjohn	What is the best way to start arch into a graphical GTK python program without a desktop environment showing in a type of kiosk mode on arch?
2024-06-05 09:38:29	Cityjohn	I've tried creating a service but it keeps showing undescript errors like Status=1/failure at startup while running perfectly fine after startup.
2024-06-05 09:38:39	Cityjohn	logs say no more...
2024-06-05 09:38:42	Cityjohn	or journal*
2024-06-05 09:41:55	BrainDamage	do I read correctly that if you start the service manually and not let it autostart, then it works?
2024-06-05 09:42:11	BrainDamage	because if yes, it could be an undeclared dep not waited for
2024-06-05 09:42:21	BrainDamage	a common one is the environment variables not populated
2024-06-05 09:42:22	zipper	Hello, have other people here tried using valgrind with cachgrind and failed to get cache information?]
2024-06-05 09:44:35	Cityjohn	@braindamage, yes, once arch is on and I start the service it works, the line of code that errors is "xhost +si:localuser:bcs"
2024-06-05 09:45:01	BrainDamage	!@
2024-06-05 09:45:02	@phrik	IRC is not Twitter – please do not use @name to address people. use name, or name: instead. Using @ also prevents you from tab-completing nicks in your IRC client.
2024-06-05 09:45:36	Cityjohn	check
2024-06-05 09:46:31	BrainDamage	you'll need to provide the service file and the log to be able to debug it further
2024-06-05 09:57:07	mpan	BrainDamage: KiwiIRC, which is the official web client of Libera, uses @. So do some other clients. While I find @ troublesome and prefer people to use :, both the message and how fast one invokes it may need an adjustement. :)
2024-06-05 09:57:49	ponies	Cityjohn: and tell us if you are installing the service file under $ systemctl --user, because iirc, graphical.target is not available to the user by default
2024-06-05 10:08:04	Cityjohn	ponies, BrainDamage: I have a pastebin of the service I tried to create including the log at the end with the undescrip error: https://pastebin.com/9Frka0pD
2024-06-05 10:08:05	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/Xq6q.txt
2024-06-05 10:08:05	@phrik	Title: bcs.service - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-06-05 10:09:00	ponies	graphical-target.target is not a real target 
2024-06-05 10:09:44	ponies	>>  graphical-session.target  << 
2024-06-05 10:19:05	Cityjohn	ponies, I tried both
2024-06-05 10:21:28	Cityjohn	I'm curious if this is the only way to achieve this, or if there is a simpler more straightforward way
2024-06-05 10:23:43	ponies	Cityjohn: where are you installing this unit? /etc or ~/.config? 
2024-06-05 10:24:38	Cityjohn	ponies: /etc
2024-06-05 10:25:13	Cityjohn	ponies: and without --user in the systemctl...
2024-06-05 10:26:30	ponies	then, i am still confused about what you want, but [Install] = default.target and the After= PartOf= should be graphical.target. 
2024-06-05 10:28:43	Cityjohn	ponies, I am new to this, what should it be the case that: WantedBy=default.target and After/Partof = graphical.target, and not graphical-target.target?
2024-06-05 10:28:52	Cityjohn	what=why*
2024-06-05 10:29:16	Cityjohn	I'm simply trying to get my python program to run without showing the desktop
2024-06-05 10:29:22	Cityjohn	right after the arch splash
2024-06-05 10:29:36	ponies	systemctl list-units --type=target , Cityjohn, you will find that there is no graphical-target.target 
2024-06-05 10:39:43	kode54	gehidore: I unfortunately settled on an Apple Wireless Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (connected via the Lightning port to USB)
2024-06-05 10:39:47	kode54	because I used to have a Mac in here
2024-06-05 10:39:57	kode54	I should probably get a normal keyboard with media keys
2024-06-05 10:40:14	kode54	recommendations welcome
2024-06-05 10:40:34	kode54	instead of printscreen and company, I have freaking F13-F19
2024-06-05 10:46:55	Cityjohn	ponies, when you say install should be default.target, which service do you mean? xhost or bcs?
2024-06-05 10:50:24	Cityjohn	ponies, also the xhost.secrive is under .config, the bcs.service is under /etc, is this right?
2024-06-05 10:54:36	rarebird15	Ugh still having clipboard issues. I have xclip and a clipboard manager called clipster installed and set to sync primary and clipboard, but copying and pasting still doesn't work.
2024-06-05 10:55:26	ponies	i suspected something like this... Cityjohn we need to go one unit at a time
2024-06-05 10:57:59	Cityjohn	Well there are only 2
2024-06-05 10:58:00	Cityjohn	:)
2024-06-05 11:04:50	ponies	if you are not upfront with me i just cant help. I told you @ 17:57 whether these are --user unit files, i asked you at 18:32 whether these are --user unit files. not it turns out at 18:46, oh yeah, one of them is a --user unit file 
2024-06-05 11:05:04	ponies	*now 
2024-06-05 11:10:52	flower_	So I've a problem with a ssd drive on my old hp laptop https://paste.debian.net/1319244/
2024-06-05 11:11:02	flower_	my old hdd works fine
2024-06-05 11:11:25	flower_	lts and linux kernel didn't work
2024-06-05 11:11:30	ponies	why is EMIYA not repasting that? 
2024-06-05 11:12:06	Cityjohn	Well ponies, I'm not intentionally holding back if that's what you're suggesting, I'm really new at this and unsure what you meant by --user
2024-06-05 11:12:26	flower_	changing ssd to hdd2 sata adapter didn't work either
2024-06-05 11:12:51	flower_	smartctl short test didn't gave errors
2024-06-05 11:13:43	flower_	the same model ssd works fine on my x220, arch linux
2024-06-05 11:13:55	ponies	Cityjohn: ok, i accept that. Would like to ask a very specific question: WHEN do you want these units to start? 
2024-06-05 11:14:15	Cityjohn	ponies, I would like these units to start as soon as the pc boots
2024-06-05 11:15:01	ponies	well WHY are we even using graphical.target then? just use default.target. that is all you should need. then remove the After= and PartOf= entirely. 
2024-06-05 11:15:45	Cityjohn	Because I thought since my python program uses GTK and thus needs graphics it would be necessary
2024-06-05 11:16:12	flower_	it is listed as compatible https://www.crucial.com/compatible-upgrade-for/hP-Compaq/elitebook-8770w-mobile-workstation-(dual-core-processors)
2024-06-05 11:16:13	@phrik	Title: HP - Compaq EliteBook 8770w Mobile Workstation (Dual Core Processors) | SSD Upgrades | Crucial.com (at www.crucial.com)
2024-06-05 11:18:16	flower_	try other brand ssd?
2024-06-05 11:20:16	Cityjohn	Ponies, again when I start the service after everything has booted it works fine but not during booting... can I force my service to start last
2024-06-05 11:20:18	Cityjohn	?
2024-06-05 11:20:19	ponies	so the GTK unit, if it's /etc then use graphical.target, if it is --user then we need to unmask graphical-session.target, and use that target Cityjohn 
2024-06-05 11:20:50	Cityjohn	ponies, what does unmask mean?
2024-06-05 11:21:35	ponies	Cityjohn: aka systemctl --user unmask graphical-session.target . it is not available by default
2024-06-05 11:22:08	Cityjohn	trying now
2024-06-05 11:24:40	ponies	potentially, the script you launch may also have to check whether your DE has actually loaded, too, else the unit could fail. I am unclear as to what systemd can do about that 
2024-06-05 11:26:53	Cityjohn	Ponies, the error I get for my service is that GtK failed to initialize... checking now if I can do a restart with a timeout
2024-06-05 11:30:18	ponies	Cityjohn: yes, if you put Restart=always and RestartSec=1, it will give it time to launch. Ideally some type of ExecStart or PreExecStart should wait for the DE. If there is a better way of doing it, i don't know it 
2024-06-05 11:30:50	Cityjohn	ponies I'm sorry but DE?
2024-06-05 11:31:11	ponies	Cityjohn: desktop environment. your kde/gnome/xfce whatever you use
2024-06-05 11:31:37	Cityjohn	ah k
2024-06-05 11:34:07	astralc	but it still won't get the DISPLAY (or wayland equiv) env var
2024-06-05 11:34:44	ponies	i did notice an Environment= line in one of the units. it will get the display
2024-06-05 11:41:00	Cityjohn	ponies, fixed it
2024-06-05 11:41:12	ponies	Cityjohn: really? :) 
2024-06-05 11:41:53	Cityjohn	Yes since the service was in user I didn't need the second unit
2024-06-05 11:43:17	Cityjohn	and then i changed the 1 remaining unit to starts the python program, and changed all lines to graphical-session.target
2024-06-05 11:43:37	ponies	that's great 
2024-06-05 11:43:37	Cityjohn	the problem now is that I still can see the desktop for a fraction of a second before the program starts
2024-06-05 11:43:52	Cityjohn	I wish I could fix that too
2024-06-05 11:43:55	ponies	yeah.. idk what to do about that 
2024-06-05 11:44:44	Cityjohn	no worries, thank you for the patience
2024-06-05 11:44:54	ponies	no worries. see you around
2024-06-05 11:45:19	Cityjohn	I wonder if I can delay the boot logo until the service has started
2024-06-05 11:46:06	ponies	i have NO IDEA about the boot logo 
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2024-06-05 17:24:42	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-06-05 17:24:42	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1460 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1459 regular)
2024-06-05 14:06:54	Cityjohn	is it possible to hide the cursor through a sh command?
2024-06-05 14:12:53	Khorne	Of course
2024-06-05 14:17:22	Cityjohn	Khorne, what would be the command?
2024-06-05 14:19:33	Khorne	xsetroot -cursor emptyCursor.xbm where emptyCursor.xbm is an empty cursor file
2024-06-05 14:43:24	phonemic	 /exit
2024-06-05 14:43:36	pagios	hello, do you guys recommend any windows vm that provides forensics tools like memory dumps for windows, linux , etc? looking for a vm like kali that provides all those stuff
2024-06-05 14:43:54	Cityjohn	Hmmm I get a "allow remote interaction" prompt after each startup while I'm running a python script to move my mouse off screen. How can I stop this prompt from showing after reboot?
2024-06-05 14:44:53	stewi	pagios: what do you mean 'vm like kali'?
2024-06-05 14:49:37	Khorne	Cityjohn, depends on your desktop
2024-06-05 14:49:54	Cityjohn	Khorne, I use Gnome
2024-06-05 14:49:58	Cityjohn	with polkit
2024-06-05 14:50:09	Khorne	COnsidering all the things I know about gnome
2024-06-05 14:50:15	Khorne	You probably can't because they know better
2024-06-05 14:51:19	Cityjohn	Good point
2024-06-05 14:51:56	cabalcrow	hey I'm trying to install a package that requires a local:// file
2024-06-05 14:52:07	cabalcrow	where should I put the file in order to install it?
2024-06-05 14:54:02	cabalcrow	figured it out - had to put it in the cache folder
2024-06-05 14:54:41	BrainDamage	Cityjohn: since iirc you want a kiosk-like experience you might have better luck to run it under are more bare bones window manager
2024-06-05 14:55:24	BrainDamage	something like cage, or gamescope
2024-06-05 17:24:42	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-06-05 17:02:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-06-05 17:02:33	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1458 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1457 regular)
2024-06-05 15:54:13	za3k	I'm trying to set a custom mailto: handler. I've started by making one that just logs all calls to a file
2024-06-05 15:54:32	za3k	If I run this, it gets called: xdg-open "mailto:someone@example.org"
2024-06-05 15:54:41	za3k	If I click a browser mailto: link, it doesn't
2024-06-05 15:55:12	za3k	I set it up with: xdg-mime default mailto-opener.desktop x-scheme-handler/mailto
2024-06-05 15:55:36	za3k	What gives, what should I be doing instead? Do I need to do something with xdg-email? How do I set that default?
2024-06-05 15:56:13	Cityjohn	BrainDamage, I can't step off gnome because I use gnome for my application...
2024-06-05 15:56:18	BrainDamage	first figure out if the browser is using xdg- stuff and not internal
2024-06-05 15:56:29	BrainDamage	they often have their own url handlers
2024-06-05 15:56:40	za3k	BrainDamage: Can you be specific as to how?
2024-06-05 15:56:47	Cityjohn	I can't seem to change my polkit rules so that I am not prompted before being able to move the mouse off screen after each startup.
2024-06-05 15:56:49	za3k	I'm testing using firefox and chromium
2024-06-05 15:57:47	BrainDamage	no, because it's been a long time since I messed with that, you'll have to search yourself
2024-06-05 15:58:07	za3k	ok, but broadly speaking you suggest "read browser docs"?
2024-06-05 15:58:32	BrainDamage	yes
2024-06-05 15:58:53	za3k	Okay, I can tell you right off that will work for firefox but not chromium
2024-06-05 15:59:00	za3k	Firefox I can confirm is using the right handler
2024-06-05 15:59:06	alad	firefox has its internal thing, chromium uses xdg
2024-06-05 15:59:26	za3k	Firefox defaults to using xdg also if you don't config anything
2024-06-05 16:01:52	za3k	OK. What's happening is that it's getting called, but being passed no arguments for some reason?
2024-06-05 16:02:54	za3k	apparently my logging logic wasn't quite complete enough, it didn't handle the no-argument case. my bad.
2024-06-05 16:03:57	za3k	Firefox is calling it with no arguments, chromium is actually not calling it
2024-06-05 16:04:33	za3k	https://germinate.za3k.com/pub/tmp/mailto-opener.desktop (was: /usr/local/share/applications/mailto-opener.desktop)
2024-06-05 16:04:38	alad	firefox still uses the things in .config/mimeapps.list in some way
2024-06-05 16:04:43	alad	but it doesn't use xdg-open
2024-06-05 16:04:57	za3k	okay, fair enough. i just saw it auto-detected my program
2024-06-05 16:04:58	alad	chromium uses xdg-open
2024-06-05 16:09:47	za3k	OK. I added %u to the end of the Exec= line, and now Firefox works
2024-06-05 16:09:54	za3k	Chromium still isn't even calling the program
2024-06-05 16:10:36	za3k	alad: are you sure it uses xdg-open and not xdg-email? How can I find the specific call, I don't know dtrace/strace stuff very well if you can suggest something
2024-06-05 16:10:56	alad	you can grep the source
2024-06-05 16:13:18	za3k	alad: actually i'm not sure I have the disk space to grab the soruce? and the github search is down
2024-06-05 16:13:22	za3k	but that's a good idea
2024-06-05 16:13:35	BrainDamage	you can do a shallow clone
2024-06-05 16:13:53	BrainDamage	that'll massivelly reduce the repo size and download requirements
2024-06-05 16:18:08	za3k	ok i restarted chromium to strace it, and now it works
2024-06-05 16:20:38	za3k	~ $ [pid 770237] execve("/usr/bin/xdg-mime", ["xdg-mime", "query", "default", "x-scheme-handler/mailto"], 0x61465d9020b0 /* 72 vars */) = 0
2024-06-05 16:20:46	za3k	I guess it just caches this is why I was running into issues
2024-06-05 16:26:01	za3k	ok well maybe of mild interest: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/za3k/short-programs/master/mailto-opener
2024-06-05 16:49:36	Cityjohn	Why can't I find themes or icons under appearance in archlinux gnome?
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2024-06-05 17:59:05	eson123	this is very very weird, so i am using GNOME and now whenever i open a Desktop icon or download something in Chrome and choose "View in folder". Instead of opening nautilus like it's supposed to, it opens Obsidian which i previously installed
2024-06-05 17:59:11	eson123	how can i diagnose this please ?
2024-06-05 17:59:16	eson123	never encountered that ever before
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2024-06-05 18:06:22	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-06-05 18:06:22	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1461 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1460 regular)
2024-06-05 18:05:21	eson123	wait hold on, when i right-click => open with, it says the default app of a folder is Obsidian ? idk how that happens but how do i change that 
2024-06-05 18:06:22	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-06-05 18:07:11	teraflops	which DE are you in?
2024-06-05 18:07:17	eson123	as i said, GNOEM
2024-06-05 18:07:19	eson123	GNOME*
2024-06-05 18:07:30	teraflops	sorry I just joined ho backlog
2024-06-05 18:07:47	teraflops	gnome has a default app list
2024-06-05 18:07:54	teraflops	in settings
2024-06-05 18:08:04	eson123	yea but none of that shows the default app of a folder 
2024-06-05 18:08:19	eson123	which is normal i guess ? because we all know folders will default to something other than a weird program
2024-06-05 18:08:24	eson123	but not this case
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2024-06-05 18:08:41	teraflops	what are you trying to accomplish?
2024-06-05 18:09:33	eson123	fixing this weird problem of mine, so any desktop icon/folder that i click will trigger Obsidian instead of nautilus, that also applies when i click "SHow in folder" whenever i download something in Chrome. So i felt weird and try to right-click => Open with to see what it is currently default to
2024-06-05 18:09:43	eson123	and weird enough, it says Obsidian but that doesn't make any sense 
2024-06-05 18:10:26	teraflops	tried just `xdg-mime default nautilus.desktop inode/directory`
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2024-06-05 18:11:05	teraflops	I also do not know what Obsidian is
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2024-06-05 18:11:27	eson123	it's just an app used for taking notes, which makes this situation really really random
2024-06-05 18:11:38	eson123	and no that command doesnm't seem to fix it 
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2024-06-05 18:12:24	teraflops	what's the output of xdg-mime query default inode/directory
2024-06-05 18:12:49	eson123	wow, vscode i guess, it says "code.desktop"
2024-06-05 18:13:17	teraflops	what a mess dude, did you mess with mimeapp list or desktop files?
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2024-06-05 18:14:50	teraflops	let's try with gio, whatis the output of `gio mime inode/directory` ?
2024-06-05 18:15:04	eson123	i don't think so, i didn't touch anything recently, all i did was switching from xfce to Gnome 
2024-06-05 18:15:31	eson123	i guess i did uninstall something called gnome-builder because it requires flatpak
2024-06-05 18:15:38	eson123	but not sure how that will affect this
2024-06-05 18:16:25	eson123	teraflops: https://termbin.com/r574, wow that's a lot of registered ones
2024-06-05 18:16:38	eson123	again i have no idea how they appear there
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2024-06-05 18:21:13	teraflops	eson123: let's try to change it using gio: gio mime inode/directory org.gnome.Nautilus.desktop
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2024-06-05 18:21:53	teraflops	then check again `gio mime inode/directory` 
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2024-06-05 18:24:58	eson123	teraflops: sorry my UI just crashed, mainly due to opening it twice. What i mean is the mimetype seems to go back to nautilus but that only applies for the first time i open the folder, if i close it and reopen it the second time, it uses Thunar then crash the UI
2024-06-05 18:25:05	dr_coconut	!paste
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2024-06-05 18:25:08	eson123	i feel like i should unregister a bunch of them or something :/
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2024-06-05 18:28:18	teraflops	eson123: let's try to change it using gio: gio mime inode/directory org.gnome.Nautilus.desktop
2024-06-05 18:28:21	teraflops	then check again `gio mime inode/directory` 
2024-06-05 18:28:44	eson123	no no i just tried that command and it did work
2024-06-05 18:28:57	eson123	but when i open, it does use nautilus but only for the first time 
2024-06-05 18:29:06	eson123	the second time i reopen it, it uses thunar instead then crash the UI
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2024-06-05 18:29:57	eson123	so i assume it's because i have a bunch of registered applications ? what if i get rid all of them and only keep nautilus 
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2024-06-05 18:34:14	eson123	wait hold on, so the desktop icons are using nautilus now, like always no matter how many times i reopen it
2024-06-05 18:34:21	eson123	but Chrome still fails on the second try
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2024-06-05 18:37:51	teraflops	check journal when trying this
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2024-06-05 18:42:57	teraflops	eson123: restart gnome session
2024-06-05 18:43:14	eson123	teraflops: journalctl can be crazy to look at though :/ it keeps adding new logs
2024-06-05 18:43:31	teraflops	journarctl -f
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2024-06-05 18:43:59	teraflops	then try to reproduce the issue, but I'd first restart gnome session
2024-06-05 18:44:10	eson123	ok gotcha
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2024-06-05 18:46:26	eson123	doesn't seem to be reproducable, every second attempt will crash the UI even before i have a chance to log back the output of journalctl
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2024-06-05 18:46:34	eson123	let's me see if this is specific to Chrome or all browserds 
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2024-06-05 18:53:32	eson123	nope also applies for firefox, actually firefox crashes the UI on first attempt :(
2024-06-05 18:54:25	teraflops	sorry but what are you tying to do with web browsers?
2024-06-05 18:54:51	teraflops	I thought that the issue was that default file browser whasnt the one you wanted
2024-06-05 18:54:57	teraflops	wasn't^
2024-06-05 18:56:23	eson123	well your command fixed the desktop icons, when i double click on the icons on the desktop it opens using nautilus now
2024-06-05 18:57:07	eson123	but for Chrome and firefox, when i view a downloaded item in folder, it sometime opens nautilus and sometime it uses thunar ( usually on second attempt ) and when it uses thunar, it crashes the entire UI and i have to relogin 
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2024-06-05 18:58:24	eson123	well maybe i will just uninstall thunar :P and see what happens 
2024-06-05 18:59:29	teraflops	eson123: which desktop portal implementations do you have installed?
2024-06-05 18:59:44	teraflops	pacman -Qs| grep xdg-desktop
2024-06-05 19:00:09	teraflops	well, pacman -Qs xdg-desktop
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2024-06-05 19:01:48	eson123	teraflops, https://termbin.com/rc0y here, three i guess
2024-06-05 19:02:03	eson123	also i did install quite a lot of different desktop environments so not sure if that affect anything
2024-06-05 19:02:06	eson123	might get rid some later 
2024-06-05 19:02:20	teraflops	that output is fine
2024-06-05 19:02:39	teraflops	idk what is going on there honestly
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2024-06-05 19:03:46	teraflops	xdg-mime default Nautilus.desktop inode/directory should fix it for chrome
2024-06-05 19:03:47	eson123	yea pretty confusing, i never encountered this before, but it happens when i switch from xfce to GNOME
2024-06-05 19:04:02	eson123	so i am thinking what if i uninstall other DE and get rid of thunar 
2024-06-05 19:04:07	teraflops	try that one the first N in caps
2024-06-05 19:04:54	eson123	sorry i don't follow
2024-06-05 19:04:57	eson123	what N in caps ?
2024-06-05 19:05:04	teraflops	xdg-mime default Nautilus.desktop inode/directory 
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2024-06-05 19:05:14	teraflops	Nautilus instead of nautilus
2024-06-05 19:05:47	eson123	ok gotcha
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2024-06-05 19:07:04	teraflops	but honestly, there is exo for xfce gio for gnome and then there is xdg-mime and it all is a clusterfuk
2024-06-05 19:08:32	eson123	nope, Nautilus.desktop with the N as cap change it back to code.desktop somehow
2024-06-05 19:08:49	eson123	"xdg-mime query default inode/directory" gives me code.desktop
2024-06-05 19:09:12	teraflops	then it is nautilus.desktop
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2024-06-05 19:09:46	eson123	tried that as well, still code.desktop
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2024-06-05 19:11:08	eson123	i think i should just uninstall thunar 
2024-06-05 19:11:24	teraflops	how did you install vscode?
2024-06-05 19:12:51	eson123	really long time ago so i am not so sure, but iirc, i installed from a AUR, maybe this one https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/visual-studio-code-bin
2024-06-05 19:12:57	@phrik	Title: AUR (en) - visual-studio-code-bin (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-06-05 19:13:00	teraflops	ok
2024-06-05 19:13:01	eson123	because Code - OSS sucks to me
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2024-06-05 19:13:51	teraflops	ahh wait
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2024-06-05 19:14:56	teraflops	maybe it is like this: xdg-mime default org.gnome.Nautilus.desktop inode/directory 
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2024-06-05 19:15:15	teraflops	same as for gio coomand
2024-06-05 19:15:21	teraflops	command^
2024-06-05 19:15:22	eson123	oh yes i tried that and it works again, but i have not yet tried with Chrome
2024-06-05 19:15:31	eson123	let's me try and see if it kicks me out 
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2024-06-05 19:16:39	eson123	bad luck, it still does :(
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2024-06-05 19:16:54	teraflops	I run out of ideas ;(
2024-06-05 19:17:26	eson123	i have some ideas though, like uninstalling unnecessary stuffs to see if it works
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2024-06-05 19:17:39	eson123	so far the reason i have thunar is because i used to use xfce, maybe if i get rid of that, it might do something :P
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2024-06-05 19:27:33	eson123	oh noice, uninstalling craps actually work :D
2024-06-05 19:28:05	Dnalsi	Does anyone know how to change the keychain password in Arch Deepin desktop
2024-06-05 19:28:21	eson123	the only downside is for some reasons the current UI of hexchat right now looks like ugly as heck
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2024-06-05 19:29:24	shoenot	what's a good gui app for managing themes? 
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2024-06-05 19:29:41	teraflops	Dnalsi: what's that, something like gnome-keyring? for gnome-keyring you can use seahorse
2024-06-05 19:29:42	shoenot	Qt specifically, though if theres something out there that can do both that would be sick
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2024-06-05 19:31:48	Dnalsi	teraflops:  My understanding is Deepin desktop uses its own keyring, but cannot find documentation on it.
2024-06-05 19:31:58	teraflops	tried seahorse?
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2024-06-05 19:32:20	Dnalsi	no so how would I install that? pacman ?
2024-06-05 19:32:24	teraflops	YEAH
2024-06-05 19:32:28	teraflops	oops
2024-06-05 19:32:34	teraflops	yes
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2024-06-05 19:34:01	gehidore	kode54 map a key to it then?
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2024-06-05 19:44:07	teraflops	eson123: I still believe that both gio and xdg commands should suffice
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2024-06-05 19:44:30	eson123	well yes it did help out though, but had to get rid of thunar for everything to function normally :P
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2024-06-05 19:47:15	lash	i used to disable my camera with rmmod uvcvideo but that now seems blocked by wireplumber. is there a way of disabling video using that?
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2024-06-05 19:50:31	teraflops	a sticker?
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2024-06-05 19:51:39	llua	blacklisting the mod?
2024-06-05 19:51:55	teraflops	I think they wat it at runtime
2024-06-05 19:51:57	teraflops	want
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2024-06-05 20:00:19	lash	teraflops: yes the sticker is there of couse
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2024-06-05 20:02:57	Edu4rdSHL	> but that now seems blocked by wireplumber
2024-06-05 20:03:05	Edu4rdSHL	What
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2024-06-05 20:05:16	lash	Edu4rdSHL: rmmod says uvcvideo busy, lsof /dev lists /dev/video* used by wireplumber
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2024-06-05 20:06:05	Edu4rdSHL	You can still -f it, if you aren't using that module
2024-06-05 20:06:52	lash	Edu4rdSHL: nice. thanks.
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2024-06-05 20:07:15	lash	feels wrong tho
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2024-06-05 20:15:32	teraflops	lash: sudo rmmod -f uvcvideo works for me
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2024-06-05 20:51:45	jl2	Hi, I'm trying to install chaotic-aur (https://aur.chaotic.cx/), but when I try to import the keys I get 'no route to host'
2024-06-05 20:51:59	Edu4rdSHL	jl2, not an ArchLinux question
2024-06-05 20:52:04	jl2	all other network applications work completely fine
2024-06-05 20:52:05	Edu4rdSHL	Ask the Chaotic AUR support
2024-06-05 20:52:55	jl2	Well I do get the error when using pacman-key, which is arch linux
2024-06-05 20:53:21	jl2	and I think it's more a general misconfiguration on my side, not theirs
2024-06-05 20:53:29	Edu4rdSHL	Have you even tried to do the basic thing like ping-ing keyserver.ubuntu.com ?
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2024-06-05 20:53:37	Edu4rdSHL	Because the page list that the key is there
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2024-06-05 20:55:01	jl2	well that is a good idea of which I have not thought of, I've had so many keyserver problems in the past that I've kinda lost hope
2024-06-05 20:55:16	jl2	and ofc your right, doesn't ping back
2024-06-05 20:55:39	Edu4rdSHL	Well, can you even resolve it?
2024-06-05 20:55:44	jl2	but it opens in firefox???
2024-06-05 20:56:06	Edu4rdSHL	Also, post the full output of the issue that you're having
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2024-06-05 20:56:29	Edu4rdSHL	With --verbose
2024-06-05 20:56:55	jl2	command:  sudo pacman-key --recv-key 3056513887B78AEB --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --verbose
2024-06-05 20:57:08	jl2	gpg: keyserver receive failed: No route to host
2024-06-05 20:57:08	jl2	==> ERROR: Remote key not fetched correctly from keyserver.
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2024-06-05 20:57:53	jl2	and yes, it resolves, I had that issue before and I solved it by adding 8.8.8.8 to /etc/resolve.conf
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2024-06-05 20:59:35	Edu4rdSHL	`host keyserver.ubuntu.com`
2024-06-05 20:59:48	jl2	where?
2024-06-05 20:59:55	Edu4rdSHL	On your computer?
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2024-06-05 21:00:43	jl2	no, where to use that. resolv.conf or dirmngr.conf
2024-06-05 21:01:15	Edu4rdSHL	On your terminal
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2024-06-05 21:02:03	another|	or `getent ahosts keyserver.ubuntu.com`
2024-06-05 21:02:11	another|	requires no extra packages
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2024-06-05 21:04:04	jl2	you can read minds, another|: http://0x0.st/XqRZ.txt
2024-06-05 21:04:39	Edu4rdSHL	jl2, sudo pacman-key --recv-key 3056513887B78AEB --keyserver 185.125.188.26 --verbose
2024-06-05 21:05:42	jl2	yup, that did it. thx :)
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2024-06-05 21:09:32	Edu4rdSHL	You have some weird networking configuration issue or some wrong gnupg config
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2024-06-05 21:11:41	teraflops	jl2: are you using systemd-resolved?
2024-06-05 21:12:20	teraflops	if yes, is /etc/resolv.conf a symlink?
2024-06-05 21:14:31	jl2	yes to systemd-resolved, and no to symlink
2024-06-05 21:14:42	teraflops	that is wrong
2024-06-05 21:15:05	demonicm1niac1	jl2: just beware that adding a custom repo will mean pacman can fail because of dependency issues with that repo and packages from that repo
2024-06-05 21:15:19	teraflops	jl2: and may cause issues like yours
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2024-06-05 21:16:58	jl2	demonicm1niac1: that would explain some issues I have had in the past. Usually waiting them out works quite decent
2024-06-05 21:18:24	teraflops	jl2: you should fix the symlink
2024-06-05 21:18:34	jl2	teraflops: symlink added, anything else?
2024-06-05 21:18:51	teraflops	check the pacman-key command I guess
2024-06-05 21:18:55	teraflops	it should work
2024-06-05 21:19:33	teraflops	did you create the symlink according to the wiki?
2024-06-05 21:20:57	jl2	doesn't work :(
2024-06-05 21:21:12	jl2	created according to wiki, and restarted systemd-resolved
2024-06-05 21:21:27	teraflops	hmm
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2024-06-05 21:23:25	jl2	resolvctl status: http://0x0.st/XqRe.txt
2024-06-05 21:24:10	teraflops	sudo pacman-key --recv-key 3056513887B78AEB --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --verbose works here 
2024-06-05 21:25:07	jl2	what DNS servers do you use?
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2024-06-05 21:26:20	teraflops	hmm, my ISP one
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2024-06-05 21:31:32	jlx__	Hello. Is it OK if I remove the kernel package of the kernel which I am currently using. I need this to solve a conflict with nvidia drivers.
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2024-06-05 21:32:36	jl2	As long as you don't intend to load any kernel modules and don't expect it to boot, yes
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2024-06-05 21:37:29	jl2	btw this is also how you update the kernel, it will move everything to a new directory and the kernel can't find any modules anymore
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2024-06-05 22:03:10	Edu4rdSHL	jlx__, context
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2024-06-05 22:25:16	rarebird15	Hi all. I heard neofetch was a good system information viewer so I installed it. It looks like it shows a lot of ascii art or something and that doesn't work well with my screen reader. Is there an alternative that doesn't do that or a way to turn off the ascii stuff?
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2024-06-05 22:25:54	DiNS	i wouldn't call it a system info viewer
2024-06-05 22:26:28	DiNS	it's something fancy looking with stats for screenshots
2024-06-05 22:26:41	DiNS	also it's discontinued
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2024-06-05 22:30:09	DiNS	how about lscpu, lspci, hwinfo, lsusb etc ?
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2024-06-05 22:31:17	DiNS	uname 
2024-06-05 22:31:30	DiNS	(-a)
2024-06-05 22:32:09	DiNS	lshw
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2024-06-05 22:32:22	chikuwasuka	there is a way to replace neofetch's image with one of your choice, yes
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2024-06-05 22:32:37	chikuwasuka	i've never done it. also as mentioned above probably use a newer program like fastfetch
2024-06-05 22:32:47	demonicm1niac1	but they don't want any it's useless for their screenreader
2024-06-05 22:32:54	DiNS	fastfetch is pretty good
2024-06-05 22:32:55	demonicm1niac1	rarebird15: consider inxi that has different verbosity levels
2024-06-05 22:33:24	demonicm1niac1	rarebird15: and is plaintext
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2024-06-05 22:34:40	DiNS	oh i never tried inxi, that's pretty nice
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2024-06-05 22:41:47	demonicm1niac1	inxi is really ancient heh :) quite a few distros want inxi -v 3 or so attached for bug reports in forums at least
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2024-06-05 22:56:40	rarebird15	I've got inxi working aand it's working well.
2024-06-05 22:56:48	rarebird15	*and
2024-06-05 22:57:24	rarebird15	Don't know what's with this wireless keyboard repeating letters. Causing me all kinds of trouble.
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2024-06-05 23:01:53	teraflops	ah inxi is that thing sometimes people pipe to the irc buffer?
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2024-06-05 23:02:15	teraflops	 /exec inxi I guess
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2024-06-05 23:03:47	Edu4rdSHL	Eeh
2024-06-05 23:04:01	Edu4rdSHL	Didn't knew about /exec
2024-06-05 23:04:06	Edu4rdSHL	know*
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2024-06-05 23:46:30	kode54	gehidore: mapping a key works outside of a compositor?
2024-06-05 23:46:48	kode54	terminal allegedly has a way to map the apple specific keys to sysrq
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2024-06-05 23:50:36	chikuwasuka	remapping firmware keys is either very hard or impossible
2024-06-05 23:50:42	chikuwasuka	depending on your PC
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2024-06-05 23:55:42	gehidore	kode54 it's a common subject for Mac machines
2024-06-05 23:55:49	gehidore	Can be done at different levels
2024-06-05 23:55:58	kode54	not firmware keys
2024-06-05 23:56:00	kode54	it's a PC
2024-06-05 23:56:04	kode54	I just have an external Mac keyboard
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2024-06-05 23:56:22	kode54	it needs to be scan code remapping at software level
2024-06-05 23:56:26	gehidore	Exactly
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2024-06-06 05:42:53	rarebird15	I went ahead and uninstalled things. This is what I have:
2024-06-06 05:42:55	rarebird15	total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
2024-06-06 05:42:55	rarebird15	Mem:           3.6Gi       2.5Gi       372Mi       586Mi       1.6Gi       1.1Gi
2024-06-06 05:42:59	rarebird15	Swap:          4.0Gi       1.4Gi       2.6Gi
2024-06-06 05:43:33	rarebird15	It looked about the same before I started the uninstall.
2024-06-06 05:44:03	demonicm1niac1	uninstalling won't really do much about already used memory, just about disk space. you're already 1.4Gi swap used which will be slow if stuff has to swap in and out
2024-06-06 05:45:02	rarebird15	Reboot, then?
2024-06-06 05:45:35	demonicm1niac1	won't help if you open firefox and email client etc again then which will use the memory again
2024-06-06 05:46:11	demonicm1niac1	i forget if frontzswap is automatically enabled with whatever install method you used
2024-06-06 05:47:49	rarebird15	Hmm, I'll look at firefox extensions, see what I can get rid of. I downloaded an arch iso, flashed it to a usb, and installed from that. I didn't use archinstall because I forgot about it, which made things a lot harder than they had to be.
2024-06-06 05:50:37	rarebird15	I also have 1Password, my password manager, and Discord, open. I'll close Discord. It's a shame if that slows things on this computer down though since I'm in a lot of groups that use it.
2024-06-06 05:51:25	rarebird15	That dropped swap to 1.3gi
2024-06-06 05:54:15	rarebird15	What's the best way to see what's taking up how much memory?
2024-06-06 05:54:19	demonicm1niac1	discord will definitely be the worst offender especially if you are in multiple large discords
2024-06-06 05:55:42	demonicm1niac1	ps_mem to see what process uses how much memory
2024-06-06 05:56:20	rarebird15	I don't know, I think betterbird is probably worse. I have 4 email accounts and I've known both betterbird and thunderbird to be ram hogs. I'd use something else if an accessible option existed. I like the web interface for gmail, my main account, but it doesn't make it easy to work with multiple accounts.
2024-06-06 05:56:29	demonicm1niac1	i would probably first make sure frontzswap is enabled and then reduce swappiness to really only swap when it's absolutely necessary
2024-06-06 05:56:47	demonicm1niac1	that should already help a lot
2024-06-06 05:57:34	demonicm1niac1	cat /sys/module/zswap/parameters/enabled
2024-06-06 05:59:05	rarebird15	It said Y, so I guess it's enabled.
2024-06-06 06:00:06	rarebird15	It says ps_mem isn't a command.
2024-06-06 06:00:18	rarebird15	Or command not found.
2024-06-06 06:00:32	demonicm1niac1	yeah you need to install ps_mem via yay
2024-06-06 06:00:53	rarebird15	yay -S ps_mem
2024-06-06 06:00:58	rarebird15	lol oops
2024-06-06 06:01:02	rarebird15	Wrong tty
2024-06-06 06:01:41	demonicm1niac1	and yeah if zswap is enabled you can query stats for it via sudo grep -R . /sys/kernel/debug/zswap   - the relevant parts are pool_limit_hit and pool_total_size
2024-06-06 06:03:50	rarebird15	Wow, Firefox: 484.2 MiB +  65.9 MiB = 550.1 MiB       firefox (10)
2024-06-06 06:04:30	rarebird15	That's with 2 tabs open.
2024-06-06 06:05:04	Scimmia	modern browsers are fat
2024-06-06 06:05:16	mefistofeles	ineed
2024-06-06 06:05:17	mefistofeles	indeed
2024-06-06 06:05:33	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL with chrome using 12GB of RAM
2024-06-06 06:05:45	rarebird15	Discord is still using some memory too, even though I closed it.
2024-06-06 06:06:03	Scimmia	Discord is Electron, which is Chrome
2024-06-06 06:06:17	Scimmia	it likes to hang around
2024-06-06 06:07:36	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: wow, that's a lot
2024-06-06 06:08:13	Edu4rdSHL	Well, I have 3 different profiles opened with a lot of tabs each one
2024-06-06 06:08:49	mefistofeles	fair, I think I've had over 1.2k tabs
2024-06-06 06:08:50	mefistofeles	xD
2024-06-06 06:09:01	mefistofeles	actually i remember the exact number 1247
2024-06-06 06:11:00	demonicm1niac1	for memory constrained systems it also doesn't help that systemd+journald+resolved+networkd+timesyncd+logind+userwork are a good 50mb already
2024-06-06 06:11:27	demonicm1niac1	add pipewire-pulse and pipewire and wireplumber on top and you're at over 100mb already
2024-06-06 06:13:23	demonicm1niac1	dirmngr, shell, polkit for another 50mb :/
2024-06-06 06:13:42	demonicm1niac1	i remember when after boot in X i was around 80mb, now it's closer to 200mb
2024-06-06 06:18:00	Edu4rdSHL	I'm happy with that, the times where "after boot in X" used 80mb, were a complete mess and pain for the desktop
2024-06-06 06:18:12	gehidore	^
2024-06-06 06:18:55	Edu4rdSHL	For memory-limited devices, there are plety options that doesn't include all these tools which are very much oriented to a good desktop experience
2024-06-06 06:24:07	rarebird15	Digging into Firefox about:memory right now to see which of my extensions take the most ram. Another thing is that as a blind person, I have to install accessibility tools that use memory and space. They don't use a lot, but every bit counts with this laptop.
2024-06-06 06:53:13	rarebird15	Anyone know of a good clipboard manager? The one I'm using, clipster, doesn't seem to be working so I think I might switch.
2024-06-06 06:55:52	baronarcanus	@rarebird15 parcellite?
2024-06-06 06:56:27	baronarcanus	I remember back in the 90s, back in those days of bash.org, these chatrooms were stuffed full with random blither, and were very lively. Now I see a room with 1400 people and you could hear a pin drop in here. What happened to my precious internet? Where did everyone go? O_O
2024-06-06 06:58:52	rarebird15	baronarcanus: I'll check it out. Just needs to reliably sync primary and clipboard so pasting with ctrl+v always works. I don't use shift+middle click. I don't have a mouse and rarely touch my laptop's touchpad since I'm blind.
2024-06-06 07:00:10	chikuwasuka	rarebird15: i use copyq, but i only use one function of it
2024-06-06 07:01:10	gehidore	baronarcanus tiktok and the grave 
2024-06-06 07:05:14	baronarcanus	@gehidore that's terrifying.
2024-06-06 07:08:19	lemmein	hey, everyone :)
2024-06-06 07:09:05	lemmein	i was trying to install the meta package on aur amdgpu-pro-installer can find it on aur via yay tho, no package exists but its intructed on arch wiki
2024-06-06 07:10:39	rarebird15	Trying copyq. I couldn't open the parcellite preferences because it relies on you right-clicking the tray icon. My window manager might have a tray but if so I don't know how to get to it with my screen reader.
2024-06-06 07:14:58	tribly	leming: you can download the snapshot manually, no idea why a helper can't find it
2024-06-06 07:15:05	tribly	eh, lemmein 
2024-06-06 07:16:11	lemmein	tribly: thanks for reply. am doing the packages manually right now. it weird that my repo are missing but the git is updated and working. i tired reefreshing via -Syy too
2024-06-06 07:16:34	baronarcanus	rarebird15: did you check the --help? you can run it with a hotkey too with parcellite -n then Ctrl-Alt-P for menu.
2024-06-06 07:17:53	⚡ 	lemmein leaving to reboot system and check drivers
2024-06-06 07:26:49	rarebird15	baronarcanus: I may go back and check that out again then. Copyq is a bit more than I need, and it's mostly accessible...until you go into the keyboard shortcuts tab. I got trapped there and had to escape out of the preferences dialog.
2024-06-06 07:29:18	baronarcanus	rarebird15: what desktop environment are you using?
2024-06-06 07:30:27	rarebird15	baronarcanus: I3 window manager with some scripts made by another blind Linux  user to make it behave more like a desktop.  It's called I38.
2024-06-06 07:31:13	rarebird15	Clipster is the clipboard manager he recommends installing with it but I could never get it to work.
2024-06-06 07:32:24	baronarcanus	rarebird15: enlightenment de is nice. it loads up in <50mb of memory. and its pretty.
2024-06-06 07:36:57	rarebird15	Okay I like Parcellite. I didn't see a systemctl service so I assume I need to start it on login somehow. I can get my window manager to do that.
2024-06-06 07:38:19	rarebird15	baronarcanus: I would try it, but the last time I tried to check out a different DE I ended up losing sound and having a bunch of problems. That was just two days ago. Not ready to try again just yet.
2024-06-06 07:39:06	rarebird15	I like I38 anyway. It's set up with sounds for certain events like opening apps, and there are keyboard shortcuts for opening frequently used apps.
2024-06-06 07:42:40	printfdebugging1	Hi, which language should I use to create  some command line tool, which has a lot to do with networking, git clonnig, package manager related things, scripts etc? Bash comes to mind, but any other that you might prefer?
2024-06-06 07:43:26	printfdebugging1	I find golang to be one contender, as it's multithreaded so can run multiple parallel jobs
2024-06-06 07:44:22	printfdebugging1	Lua is the next one, considering it's data description capabilities, but I don't know how much does it iteract with the os, or else I don't want to end up using something like os.execute("all my commands")
2024-06-06 07:47:05	rarebird15	Okay, not sure why, but I still can't paste into my terminal emulator. I copied some text and tried to past with ctrl+shift+v but it didn't work.
2024-06-06 07:47:30	tribly	rarebird15: try shift-insert
2024-06-06 07:47:54	rarebird15	Can't paste into firefox either. This is with parcellite running.
2024-06-06 07:48:37	rarebird15	tribly: shift+insert won't work. My screen reader uses the insert key so pressing that goes to it.
2024-06-06 07:49:12	grawity	does it use modifiers+insert or just insert alone?
2024-06-06 07:49:22	grawity	same key with different modifiers can go to different places
2024-06-06 07:50:07	rarebird15	You press insert combined with other keys to do different things.
2024-06-06 07:50:30	rarebird15	I've tried shift+insert before and nothing happened.
2024-06-06 07:50:35	grawity	that aside, shift+insert doesn't really paste from the clipboard in the first place
2024-06-06 07:50:41	grawity	that would be ctrl-shift-v
2024-06-06 07:51:04	rarebird15	That's what I tried.
2024-06-06 07:51:31	grawity	how did you copy the text?
2024-06-06 07:51:44	rarebird15	ctrl+c
2024-06-06 07:51:49	grawity	from terminal?
2024-06-06 07:52:49	rarebird15	Actually this I copied with my screen reader. It has a command to copy the text it's focused on, and there was a path I needed to copy.
2024-06-06 07:52:55	grawity	does the same ctrl-shift-v work without parcellite or other clipboard management stuff?
2024-06-06 07:53:31	grawity	and out of curiosity, is the insert key the screen reader's default setup or custom?
2024-06-06 07:54:22	rarebird15	No. That's why I needed a clipboard manager. None of this has worked, and I thought it was because primary and clipboard needed to be synced. Insert is the default. You can change it to caps lock though.
2024-06-06 07:55:22	rarebird15	The only thing that works reliably is xclip. Getting stuff from an xsession and working with it in a tty.
2024-06-06 07:56:16	rarebird15	And I can copy and paste in tty, I think because my console screen reader, fenrir, has its own clipboards.
2024-06-06 08:00:50	grawity	well, the thing is
2024-06-06 08:01:07	grawity	1) independently, both clipboard and primary should work by default, without any special software
2024-06-06 08:01:22	grawity	2) the fact that your screen reader claims Insert pretty much rules out primary
2024-06-06 08:01:40	grawity	since the only ways to paste from primary, normally, are mouse middle-click and Shift+Ins
2024-06-06 08:01:58	grawity	so that implies it must be using the ctrl-v clipboard
2024-06-06 08:02:38	rarebird15	Don't some apps copy to primary when you do ctrl+v? I thought I read that on the Arch wiki.
2024-06-06 08:02:49	rarebird15	ctrl+c I mean
2024-06-06 08:03:07	grawity	no, copying to primary happens when you select the text *before* you hit ctrl-c
2024-06-06 08:03:35	grawity	i.e. you select some text, now it's in primary; you hit ctrl-c, now it's in both primary and clipboard
2024-06-06 08:04:10	grawity	the point was about pasting though – if the screen reader intended you to paste from primary, it wouldn't have claimed shift+ins...
2024-06-06 08:04:24	grawity	anyway, since you have xclip, does *that* return the correct thing that the screen reader has copied?
2024-06-06 08:04:40	grawity	xclip -out -sel clipboard
2024-06-06 08:04:43	grawity	xclip -out -sel primary
2024-06-06 08:05:41	rarebird15	Yes, it does.
2024-06-06 08:05:51	grawity	both or just one of the two?
2024-06-06 08:07:51	rarebird15	Parcellite has decided to not work right now so right now just primary.
2024-06-06 08:08:37	rarebird15	Just reinstalled it. I can try again.
2024-06-06 08:10:03	rarebird15	Okay still just primary even though parcellite's working again.
2024-06-06 08:12:18	rarebird15	Weird, clipboard doesn't sound like it's functioning. When I do xclip -out -sel clipboard, I get Error: target STRING not available
2024-06-06 08:16:36	grawity	could be empty, could have non-text stuff; adding -target TARGETS would make it list what content types it does have
2024-06-06 08:17:01	grawity	generally though, it's one of those things that function by default /unless/ some program is running that breaks them
2024-06-06 08:22:09	rarebird15	It says utf8_string, so it should be text.
2024-06-06 08:24:11	rarebird15	I guess that could mean it's empty. I just don't understand why they won't sync no matter what I do.
2024-06-06 09:25:07	_xRichard__	hey i will disable windows fast boot after boot into it while inside of windows right ? im dual booting just to make sure
2024-06-06 09:26:32	mpan	_xRichard__: hello. I can’t understand the question. Do you ask, if fast boot is to be disabled from within Windows? Yes, if you want to disable it, you need to do it from Windows.
2024-06-06 09:27:48	_xRichard__	oh okay than, dont i have to ? wiki is warning there will be data lost. i asked i will disable from windows right not in/from linux ?
2024-06-06 09:28:12	mpan	_xRichard__: are you not a native English speaker? If not, please tell: it will make communication easier.
2024-06-06 09:28:31	mpan	(it’s not a bad thing; it just makes it easier for everybody)
2024-06-06 09:30:18	_xRichard__	sorry im not good with words :) im installing windows to my second SSD, do i have to disable now while im logged in linux or i will disable it while im on windows ?
2024-06-06 09:30:35	mpan	It’s not a problem. Just be clear about it, as this allows everybody adjust.
2024-06-06 09:30:47	mpan	Do you refer to this warning? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dual_boot_with_Windows#Fast_Startup_and_hibernation
2024-06-06 09:30:48	@phrik	Title: Dual boot with Windows - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-06 09:31:15	_xRichard__	yes
2024-06-06 09:31:57	mpan	Do both systems (Windows and Arch) share any file system? Or are you not planning to do so?
2024-06-06 09:32:32	_xRichard__	they dont share and no need to. Arch will be in SSD 1 and windows will be in SSD 2
2024-06-06 09:33:00	_xRichard__	im installing `windows to go` windows
2024-06-06 09:33:29	mpan	Then you don’t have to disable Fast Startup. It’s only needed, if you would like to access Windows’ files from Arch. Or otherwise share files between them, for example using a shared file system (“partition”, “disk”).
2024-06-06 09:34:01	mpan	But if you ever want to access anything Windows from Arch: yes, you will have to disable Fast Startup feature and then shutdown Windows.
2024-06-06 09:34:25	_xRichard__	hm than it will be data lost if not disabled am i correct ? im not on that case
2024-06-06 09:35:11	mpan	Data may be lost (or simply be not accessible) if you don’t disable Fast Startup on Windows and then try to use the files from Arch.
2024-06-06 09:54:35	tribly	windows has the habit of overwriting uefi stuff after an update. maybe your linux got kicked out.
2024-06-06 09:56:54	_xRichard__	tribly: how can i check ? i did not edit the fstab or such and its a `windows to go` setup, i burn iso image to /mnt/iso by using : `sudo mount -o loop /path/to/windows.iso /mnt/iso
2024-06-06 09:57:29	_xRichard__	sorry its just pasted and `sudo wimlib-imagex apply /mnt/iso/sources/install.wim 1 /dev/sda1`
2024-06-06 09:58:19	_xRichard__	and after i unmounted, it warned me tho, it will be read-only
2024-06-06 10:14:10	rarebird15	Lol I have absolutely no idea what's going on with my clipboard. Lol I swear I've read every relevant forum post I can find and still no clue why ctrl+c and ctrl+v don't work.
2024-06-06 10:16:21	ponies	rarebird15: what are you copying from? 
2024-06-06 10:17:20	ponies	also '-sel' does not appear to exist
2024-06-06 10:17:32	ponies	rarebird15: ^ use '-selection'
2024-06-06 10:18:05	rarebird15	I've tried firefox, text editors, the terminal, pretty much anything. I found the about:config option to turn off shift+middle click paste in firefox since I don't use that.
2024-06-06 10:18:08	ponies	also 
2024-06-06 10:20:31	rarebird15	Right now both primary and clipboard have the same thing in them but ctrl+v still doesn't work.
2024-06-06 10:21:35	ponies	alacritty by default is ctrl-shift-v, for example
2024-06-06 10:22:05	rarebird15	That doesn't work either.
2024-06-06 10:23:42	ponies	rarebird15: it depends where you are pasting. i dont think linux cares much about ctrl-v, some terminals its shift-insert, vim is "+P 
2024-06-06 10:24:53	BrainDamage	rarebird15: if you use a command line tool like xclip or the like, do you get the desired output?
2024-06-06 10:25:13	BrainDamage	as in, are you sure it's the keybinding and not the content that's broken?
2024-06-06 10:25:15	ponies	yeah what does $ xclip -o give you now? 
2024-06-06 10:25:31	rarebird15	All I know is whether I do ctrl+v, ctrl+shift+v, or select paste from the context menu in an app, it usually doesn't work. Yes, xclip gives me the right output.
2024-06-06 10:30:10	rarebird15	If I seem frustrated, it's because this has been a problem for days, and I copy and paste things a lot.
2024-06-06 10:31:34	ponies	rarebird15: even though this doesn't solve your problem, using Wayland would completely avoid this situation altogether 
2024-06-06 10:31:59	raccct	looking for xxd. searched in util-linux, not. found in extra/vim. since I use nvim, does it make sense to install the vim pkg or what is your way to `xxd` a good alternative?
2024-06-06 10:32:29	rarebird15	I don't think I can use wayland. It doesn't work well with accessibility tools.
2024-06-06 10:33:37	ponies	oh, i see 
2024-06-06 10:34:44	ponies	raccct $ sudo pacman -Fy shows it's inside tinyxxd 
2024-06-06 10:35:32	raccct	ponies: thx for the pointer! perfect
2024-06-06 10:35:42	ponies	nw
2024-06-06 10:51:26	_xRichard__	any ideas ?
2024-06-06 10:54:15	ponies	_xRichard__: im reading your last logs, but i can't figure out what you're doing anymore. Mind asking again?
2024-06-06 10:57:15	_xRichard__	ponies: sure thing, im trying to dual boot with windows but i dont have space so i plug second SSD im trying to install windows in second SSD
2024-06-06 10:58:39	ponies	yeah the thing about that is windows will create its own bootloader.
2024-06-06 10:59:34	ponies	ooo
2024-06-06 10:59:55	ponies	wait, the wiki says no :) 
2024-06-06 11:00:01	ponies	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dual_boot_with_Windows#Linux_before_Windows
2024-06-06 11:00:02	@phrik	Title: Dual boot with Windows - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-06 11:04:11	_xRichard__	oh man :( so only options in this case is use lvm or RAID huh ?
2024-06-06 11:04:44	Edu4rdSHL	What?
2024-06-06 11:05:23	Edu4rdSHL	Where did you read that?
2024-06-06 11:07:48	_xRichard__	i asked gpt, is this a lie too ? im seeking for a way to combine two 250GB SSD to make one 500GB SSD :)
2024-06-06 11:08:00	BrainDamage	if you have separate hard drives, the installation is actualy _much_ simper
2024-06-06 11:08:03	BrainDamage	that's a ... separate problem
2024-06-06 11:08:26	BrainDamage	combining hard drives and making them appear as one will involve lvm or raid
2024-06-06 11:09:00	Edu4rdSHL	Lmao, people asking about installing windows, then about making a raid...
2024-06-06 11:10:11	_xRichard__	same subject but might be separate problem. Edu4rdSHL: whatever fits me it will do the solution. what should i do ? im trying to dual boot.
2024-06-06 11:10:41	_xRichard__	wiki says cant seperated install i was trying to do that
2024-06-06 11:10:42	Edu4rdSHL	And the problem is?
2024-06-06 11:10:54	Edu4rdSHL	And wiki doesn't say that
2024-06-06 11:11:14	_xRichard__	not booting to second SSD | refering to ponies: sudo wimlib-imagex apply /mnt/iso/sources/install.wim 1 /dev/sda1
2024-06-06 11:11:26	_xRichard__	no :/ the link he sent
2024-06-06 11:11:58	Edu4rdSHL	I mean, just use a windows usb and install it there like everyone does?
2024-06-06 11:12:20	Edu4rdSHL	Then go back to linux, reconfigure your bootloader and that's it
2024-06-06 11:13:54	_xRichard__	what is the difference ? but i will try. it does not see my ssd. how should i reconfigure my bootloader ? i mean what will do with it because there will be 2 boot disks. maybe there is the problem
2024-06-06 11:14:20	Edu4rdSHL	What?
2024-06-06 11:14:37	Edu4rdSHL	Honestly I don't understand one word of what you're trying to say
2024-06-06 11:15:00	Edu4rdSHL	What does "not booting to second SSD" even means? Is that Linux, Windows?
2024-06-06 11:15:17	Edu4rdSHL	Like, please give specific description, not just throw some random words
2024-06-06 11:16:11	_xRichard__	well, i have 2 SSD. lets say SSD 1 its Arch and SSD 2 i will install windows on that one. i will choose from boot priority what OS will be launch
2024-06-06 11:16:40	_xRichard__	im on Arch now SSD 1 i want to install windows on SSD 2
2024-06-06 11:17:39	_xRichard__	i burnt iso image with wimlib to SSD 2 but in bios, the second ssd is not shown in priority, i choose it manually. but it still booted in Arch
2024-06-06 11:17:57	Edu4rdSHL	So, use a USB
2024-06-06 11:18:11	Edu4rdSHL	The difference is that it will get properly installed and will boot :)
2024-06-06 11:18:45	_xRichard__	gotcha :) thanks man wish me luck
2024-06-06 11:20:18	Edu4rdSHL	And once that's done and you can boot to whatever OS you want using the BIOS, the only step is configuring the linux bootloader to recognize the Windows installation in case that you don't want to enter the bios every time you want to boot a different OS
2024-06-06 11:23:36	_xRichard__	gpt sucks again, how can i reset the wmlib burn image iso from ssd ?
2024-06-06 11:28:58	tribly	just put windows on a usb stick and install it from there, like Edu4rdSHL said
2024-06-06 11:32:14	_xRichard__	yeap on it, just created fdisk partition for fresh, it was smt else. im gonna format to ntfs then ready to go
2024-06-06 11:45:15	dmr104	when installing whisper via pip I get "ERROR: Could not install packages due to an OSError: [Errno 28] No space left on device" 
2024-06-06 11:45:45	dmr104	does this mean my /tmp is filling up beyond the 2.7G maximum?
2024-06-06 11:47:05	jelle	dmr104: or just your disk?
2024-06-06 11:47:27	dmr104	dh -f shows only 17% of / is used
2024-06-06 11:47:44	jelle	and /home?
2024-06-06 11:47:55	dmr104	 I installed arch to /
2024-06-06 11:48:07	dmr104	no /home partition
2024-06-06 11:48:36	dmr104	should i create a swap file?  How do i link it to /tmp?
2024-06-06 11:49:21	jelle	you can see if /tmp is full
2024-06-06 11:50:02	rarebird15	Lol this clipboard issue is driving me nuts! I'm starting to think I need to wipe and reinstall my system, and I really don't want to do that.
2024-06-06 11:50:04	dmr104	it says only 3% but it is tmpfs
2024-06-06 11:51:42	dmr104	`ls /tmp` does not show the packages pip has downloaded
2024-06-06 11:54:44	dmr104	how can i tell if my swap partition is activated already?
2024-06-06 12:01:52	dmr104	can i have an active swap partition of 12GB and also a swap file?
2024-06-06 12:02:13	jelle	dmr104: how are you sure it is /tmp, how much ram do you have and what is the full backtrace?
2024-06-06 12:04:07	dmr104	6GB RAM.  how do i find out the backtrace?
2024-06-06 12:05:14	dmr104	it might be /dev/shm
2024-06-06 12:05:20	jelle	dmr104: pastebin what pip install shows
2024-06-06 12:07:51	dmr104	It shows "ERROR: Could not install packages due to an OSError: [Errno 28] No space left on device".  I used my terminal a lot since and pip may try to download 3GB if i try it again
2024-06-06 12:08:37	jelle	oh this is AI
2024-06-06 12:08:45	jelle	FYI https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/whisper-git
2024-06-06 12:08:47	@phrik	Title: AUR (en) - whisper-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-06-06 12:15:41	tribly	rarebird15: did you try merging your two buffers? autocutsel can do that. maybe it will help
2024-06-06 12:17:20	dmr104	jelle: I am now using the --cache-dir ~/.cache/myDir  option to pip3
2024-06-06 12:24:29	ponies	rarebird15: so if xsel -o is working, as you said, then which applications? can you paste from terminal a to terminal b? 
2024-06-06 12:25:32	ponies	or xclip rather, isn't it? 
2024-06-06 12:53:46	dmr104	jelle: well that didn't work.  now trying the --no-cache-dir option
2024-06-06 12:56:07	rcf	rarebird15: it wouldn’t help. You may wish to poke your clipboard manager’s support channels for this. 
2024-06-06 13:25:19	flower_	The EFI system partition (also called ESP) is an OS independent partition that acts as the storage place for the UEFI boot loaders,"
2024-06-06 13:54:13	Freneticks	is there a way to bridge wlan ?
2024-06-06 13:55:31	Freneticks	I'm used to create a lot of netns and put all in the same bridge, like a big virtual network, but you can only bridge eth, any idea ?
2024-06-06 14:21:36	demonicm1niac1	mingdao: that issue is likely due to a pacman hook moreso if also systemd and stuff was updated and the shell not reparsing stuff
2024-06-06 14:22:04	demonicm1niac1	the bash completion thing
2024-06-06 14:22:19	demonicm1niac1	it's not an urxvt issue anyway since just running bash in a term again also gets rid of it
2024-06-06 14:30:56	Earnestly	mingdao: No, $0 can be anything and isn't useful
2024-06-06 14:31:15	Earnestly	As I wrote, BASH_VERSION (or BASH in bash's case)
2024-06-06 14:58:49	n3m0256	hello, i cant boot up after the last update, any chance there might be a kernel panic in linux-zen
2024-06-06 15:00:03	Root-Atlas	Will there be any problems if I install linux-firmware and sof-firmware?
2024-06-06 15:00:18	gromit	n3m0256: is the issue also present with the linux package? 
2024-06-06 15:00:33	Namarrgon	Root-Atlas: because both have 'firmware' in the name?
2024-06-06 15:00:40	gromit	n3m0256: do you know your ways to fix the system? 
2024-06-06 15:01:06	Root-Atlas	Yes, Namarrgon
2024-06-06 15:01:22	Namarrgon	Root-Atlas: See if the packages have each other in the conflicts.
2024-06-06 15:02:06	Root-Atlas	Do people usually install sof-firmware?
2024-06-06 15:02:16	Namarrgon	Only if they need it.
2024-06-06 15:03:16	Root-Atlas	What' are the situations that needs sof-firmware?
2024-06-06 15:03:22	Root-Atlas	Like super old laptops?
2024-06-06 15:03:41	Namarrgon	New-ish sounds cards.
2024-06-06 15:04:00	Namarrgon	You will see the kernel module complain about the missing firmware in the kernel log.
2024-06-06 15:04:10	Root-Atlas	Oh
2024-06-06 15:04:40	Root-Atlas	I havent had any issues lately other than crashing cuz trying to open too many things at oce XD
2024-06-06 15:05:16	Root-Atlas	just terminate session gets booted back to sddm
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2024-06-06 17:18:48	linux_dream	hi guys I am fucked.  I just installed a GPU (Radeon 6400 rx).  When I plugged HDMI and booted, I can see that the GPU "works" in that the boot manager sees arch and starts booting
2024-06-06 17:19:03	linux_dream	but then it is emergency mode.  it is unable to mount /boot
2024-06-06 17:19:31	linux_dream	I removed the GPU and retried to boot as usual, same message, except that in this case the keyboard reacts, I can still login and startx (although the graphics are shit)
2024-06-06 17:19:44	ridge	But it worked before you installed the GPU? Did you unplug any drives and reconnect them in the process?
2024-06-06 17:19:53	linux_dream	I replugged the GPU, retried, but stuck at booting and I can't log in (keyboard won't respond)
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2024-06-06 17:20:00	ridge	Whaaat
2024-06-06 17:20:11	linux_dream	it did work ridge yes, before I installed the GPU
2024-06-06 17:20:32	astralc	does it work in archiso?
2024-06-06 17:20:38	ridge	Try archiso
2024-06-06 17:20:42	linux_dream	here I am now.   I am downloading archiso right now
2024-06-06 17:20:42	ridge	Yes, sorry, what astralc said =)
2024-06-06 17:20:51	mefistofeles	my guess is that the GPU gained conscience launching a ransomware attack on the rest of the machine
2024-06-06 17:20:54	linux_dream	what should I do once I boot into arch iso?
2024-06-06 17:21:01	astralc	also, like ridge said, check other cables that may become loose
2024-06-06 17:21:11	linux_dream	the rest seems fine to me
2024-06-06 17:21:26	ridge	How did you set up your fstab? Are you identifying drives by UUID? Doesn't explain the keyboard issue, but..
2024-06-06 17:21:28	Khorne	Should have bought nvidia
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2024-06-06 17:21:33	⚡ 	ridge gasps.
2024-06-06 17:21:33	astralc	did you try fallback initramfs?
2024-06-06 17:22:02	linux_dream	I can show you a picture taken with my phone. there are some stuff that aren't loaded well:   [DEPEND] Dependency failed for Local File System
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2024-06-06 17:22:20	linux_dream	yes UUID ridge
2024-06-06 17:22:22	Khorne	Just check if the archiso boots first
2024-06-06 17:22:23	astralc	check in the archiso that you can see the filesystem
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2024-06-06 17:22:29	linux_dream	ok
2024-06-06 17:22:40	linux_dream	99% downloaded
2024-06-06 17:23:17	ridge	If you can boot into archiso, I would try reinstalling your kernel and rebuilding the initramfs
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2024-06-06 17:23:29	Khorne	I would not try that
2024-06-06 17:23:40	Khorne	I would check if I can find out what the fuck is going on first
2024-06-06 17:23:47	mefistofeles	↑
2024-06-06 17:24:00	ridge	True, yes =)
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2024-06-06 17:25:18	Gnana	$var = str("hello world!")
2024-06-06 17:25:36	linux_dream	like I said, removing the GPU I could still navigate through my files and home folders
2024-06-06 17:25:47	linux_dream	I am about to flash the usb stick now
2024-06-06 17:25:50	linux_dream	with the dd command...
2024-06-06 17:25:54	Khorne	That's helpful in case you don't want to install the GPU
2024-06-06 17:26:02	Khorne	Otherwise it's completely meaningless
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2024-06-06 17:26:25	Namarrgon	Did you have no discrete gpu at all before this one?
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2024-06-06 17:32:42	linux_dream	I had integrated intel GPU
2024-06-06 17:33:13	linux_dream	I have a rather new SSD installed like 2 weeks ago.  the rest is from 2017
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2024-06-06 17:34:50	linux_dream	looks like it's booting fine from the usb stick
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2024-06-06 17:35:23	linux_dream	yep, I have reached ttl and can enter commands
2024-06-06 17:35:28	linux_dream	what should I do exactly?
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2024-06-06 17:36:57	linux_dream	lspci shows the radeon 6400 rx GPU
2024-06-06 17:37:07	linux_dream	the GPU seems to be correctly recognized
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2024-06-06 17:37:45	linux_dream	I guess I have to mount /boot and / ,  then mkinitcpio then reboot?
2024-06-06 17:37:58	linux_dream	or chroot... I forgot.  what shouild I do guys?
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2024-06-06 17:39:09	mefistofeles	linux_dream: what's in your mkinicpio modules?
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2024-06-06 17:39:21	mefistofeles	linux_dream: also, what driver are you using?
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2024-06-06 17:40:21	linux_dream	I haven't installed AMD drivers yet
2024-06-06 17:40:32	linux_dream	which log? journalctl?
2024-06-06 17:41:03	linux_dream	not sure about mkinitcpio modules.  I dont know how to check
2024-06-06 17:42:17	lmat	I'm trying to mount an ISO to a directory. I did   mkdir mydir && sudo mount -o loop ../somewhere/myfile.iso mydir;  I get "failed to setup loop device". I just restarted, so my kernel should be same on disk and memory. lsmod | grep loop shows   "loop    45056 0"
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2024-06-06 17:43:47	lmat	mingdao: That's basically the same except /mnt is owned by root. I'm mounting to a 1000:1000 directory, but that shouldn't matter?
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2024-06-06 17:44:14	lmat	I tried  sudo chown root:root mydir && sudo mount ...  but I get the same error.
2024-06-06 17:44:34	linux_dream	I jsut mounted /mnt and /boot, chrooted
2024-06-06 17:44:43	linux_dream	however mkinicpio -p linux fails
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2024-06-06 17:44:58	mefistofeles	!give linux_dream error
2024-06-06 17:44:58	@phrik	linux_dream: An error occured while attempting to display the error message.
2024-06-06 17:45:06	lmat	haha
2024-06-06 17:45:30	linux_dream	error specified kernel image does not exist: /boot/vmlinuz-linux   mefistofeles
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2024-06-06 17:46:31	gehidore	you didn't mount /boot either now or prior to installing linux
2024-06-06 17:47:03	gehidore	linux_dream ^
2024-06-06 17:47:28	linux_dream	I did the 2 commands:  mount /dev/nvme.... /mnt then mount /dev/nvm..... /boot
2024-06-06 17:47:36	linux_dream	damn I should have done /mnt/boot instead.
2024-06-06 17:47:45	mefistofeles	lol
2024-06-06 17:47:48	mefistofeles	yeah
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2024-06-06 17:48:19	lmat	mingdao: Ahh, I'll give an absolute path to the mount point instead of a relative path.
2024-06-06 17:49:48	lmat	sudo -i; will require me to change to the desired directory ^_^.  sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 ../myiso.iso /home/lmat/mydir/;  gives the same error.
2024-06-06 17:50:14	linux_dream	ok mkinitcpio command ran OK. rebooted, same problem
2024-06-06 17:50:23	linux_dream	I have to show you where it gets stuck
2024-06-06 17:50:32	lmat	mingdao: I tried   sudo mkdir /mnt/mydir;  then mounting the iso there, same error message /o\
2024-06-06 17:50:47	lmat	Maybe my ISO file is borked? I have no problem "mounting" it into a QEMU image...
2024-06-06 17:51:22	lmat	mingdao: When I   sudo mount -t iso<tab>  it doesn't complete to iso9660, but "isofs,". I wonder what that means.
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2024-06-06 17:52:41	lmat	"ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data"
2024-06-06 17:53:23	lmat	I tried mounting a different ISO (winxp-pro-sp3-x86.iso) and it works!  running `file winxp...iso` shows the same thing: "ISO 960 CD-ROM filesystem data"
2024-06-06 17:53:25	linux_dream	this is what I see mefistofeles : https://imgur.com/a/tcni0xF
2024-06-06 17:53:25	@phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2024-06-06 17:53:31	lmat	sure
2024-06-06 17:53:43	lmat	ahhhhhh!!! I think you've hit it!
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2024-06-06 17:53:59	lmat	I didn't try it, but I know what's going to happen. The ISO file is on a sshfs mount. Root doesn't have permission to read from that mount!
2024-06-06 17:54:50	lmat	mingdao: Thanks for helping me troubleshoot!! (That error message really sucks!) I'll look up fusermount iso images.
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2024-06-06 17:56:44	lmat	fuseiso ../wherever/myiso.iso mydir; worked \o/
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2024-06-06 17:57:13	linux_dream	I am out of ideas of why my computer cannot boot now
2024-06-06 17:57:35	iqqdq	is there any point in generating locales other than en_US? do they improve how other languages are displayed?
2024-06-06 17:57:35	linux_dream	any idea what I can do? I am in arch iso, mounted root and boot to /mnt and /mnt/boot
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2024-06-06 18:00:18	@phrik	Title: Locale - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-06-06 18:01:44	linux_dream	mingdao thx for your help : https://0x0.st/XbK-.txt
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2024-06-06 18:02:26	iqqdq	thing is, other languages are displayed without generating their locale. like french and spanish. but certain languages have problems like arabic.
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2024-06-06 18:03:54	linux_dream	so... any idea why my system fails to boot? :/
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2024-06-06 18:04:07	iqqdq	it just seems weird that it i wouldnt need to generate french or spanish, but arabic does need to be generated
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2024-06-06 18:04:43	Namarrgon	linux_dream: Post your fstab.
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2024-06-06 18:05:25	Namarrgon	iqqdq: The important bit is the encoding, which is ideally all utf8. The rest of the locale is just for formating data.
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2024-06-06 18:06:14	Namarrgon	arabic should work fine with just en_US.utf8, as long as you have a font that supports it.
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2024-06-06 18:06:24	Namarrgon	And possibly RTL support.
2024-06-06 18:07:13	iqqdq	any idea if generating an arabic locale would affect which fontconfig font is chosen to display it
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2024-06-06 18:07:21	linux_dream	Namarrgon :  2nd picture of https://imgur.com/a/tcni0xF
2024-06-06 18:07:21	@phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
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2024-06-06 18:08:12	Namarrgon	mount your /-fs to /mnt and check what is in /boot
2024-06-06 18:08:18	Namarrgon	*what is in /mnt/boot
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2024-06-06 18:08:44	linux_dream	I think I have done this already Namarrgon  . I did 2 commands to mount to /mnt and /mnt/boot.  ok I can check what is in there if you want
2024-06-06 18:08:58	Namarrgon	Then umount /mnt/boot first
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2024-06-06 18:10:55	linux_dream	ls /mnt/boot shows nothing
2024-06-06 18:11:04	linux_dream	I had to exist chroot. I umounted /mnt/boot first
2024-06-06 18:11:15	linux_dream	then I did ls /mnt/boot
2024-06-06 18:11:25	linux_dream	nothing is returned on the tty
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2024-06-06 18:12:03	_xRichard__	can anybody help me about this topic: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=296521
2024-06-06 18:12:03	@phrik	Title: Dual Boot from Separate SSD / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-06-06 18:12:22	Namarrgon	linux_dream: mount it again, chroot in and post the "lsinitcpio -a /boot/initramfs-linux-img" output
2024-06-06 18:13:13	Namarrgon	_xRichard__: tl;dr, what is the question?
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2024-06-06 18:15:22	linux_dream	this is what I get Namarrgon : https://imgur.com/a/oGWSBd2
2024-06-06 18:15:22	_xRichard__	Namarrgon: its complicated than i thought, a few hours earlier i asked in here but some stuff get mixed
2024-06-06 18:15:23	@phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2024-06-06 18:15:54	Namarrgon	linux_dream: please post text as text, not as picture.
2024-06-06 18:16:06	linux_dream	I am verry sorry how to do so?
2024-06-06 18:16:14	Namarrgon	!0x0
2024-06-06 18:16:16	@phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
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2024-06-06 18:16:22	linux_dream	ok
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2024-06-06 18:18:24	linux_dream	there you go Namarrgon https://0x0.st/XbKm.txt
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2024-06-06 18:18:55	itsme5n	Hello, anyone know how to setup protonvpn for arch linux ?
2024-06-06 18:18:57	Namarrgon	linux_dream: file /boot/vmlinuz-linux
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2024-06-06 18:19:28	linux_dream	i already posted the fstab. ok Namarrgon wait a min
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2024-06-06 18:19:53	stewi	lol
2024-06-06 18:20:01	itsme5n	I want to use vpn in arch linux please let me know
2024-06-06 18:20:06	gromit	!give itsme5n ProtonVPN
2024-06-06 18:20:07	@phrik	itsme5n: You might be able to bribe me for an answer…
2024-06-06 18:20:10	gromit	!give itsme5n aw ProtonVPN
2024-06-06 18:20:12	@phrik	itsme5n: ProtonVPN - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ProtonVPN
2024-06-06 18:20:49	linux_dream	here you go Namarrgon: https://0x0.st/XbKB.txt
2024-06-06 18:21:18	itsme5n	phrik, its not working for me ... I am getting authentication fail error via openvpn method
2024-06-06 18:21:18	@phrik	itsme5n: The answer is 42.
2024-06-06 18:21:25	Namarrgon	linux_dream: blkid
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2024-06-06 18:22:00	linux_dream	Namarrgon : https://0x0.st/XbKM.txt
2024-06-06 18:22:49	itsme5n	phrik, what is 42?
2024-06-06 18:22:49	@phrik	itsme5n: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
2024-06-06 18:23:06	Namarrgon	itsme5n: phrik is a bot
2024-06-06 18:23:51	itsme5n	I have user id and passwd of vpn account and i am able to login via website but not via openvpn method
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2024-06-06 18:24:36	itsme5n	do anyone use vpn here ?
2024-06-06 18:25:10	stewi	itsme5n: I run OpenVPN on my server and bridge it with my local network.
2024-06-06 18:25:33	linux_dream	is there something wrong with my blkid Namarrgon ?
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2024-06-06 18:26:58	Namarrgon	linux_dream: post your mkinitcpio.conf
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2024-06-06 18:28:05	linux_dream	Namarrgon :  https://0x0.st/XKsl.txt
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2024-06-06 18:28:41	linux_dream	I did "cat /etc/mkinitcpio.conf ......"  Namarrgon
2024-06-06 18:28:58	Namarrgon	Is that the correct URL?
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2024-06-06 18:29:19	gehidore	I'm going to guess No.
2024-06-06 18:29:36	gehidore	or that's the feistiest mkinitcpio.conf I've ever seen
2024-06-06 18:29:53	linux_dream	damn it doesnt look right
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2024-06-06 18:48:18	another|	itsme5n: are vpn creds the same as account creds?
2024-06-06 18:49:35	linux_dream	damn I am lost Namarrgon
2024-06-06 18:49:51	linux_dream	I have rebooted remember. mounted the nvme to /mnt  then chrooted
2024-06-06 18:50:03	linux_dream	then /boot is empty
2024-06-06 18:50:21	Namarrgon	Did you mount /mnt/boot?
2024-06-06 18:50:24	linux_dream	nope
2024-06-06 18:50:29	itsme5n	another|, obviously its login creds and are same. I better install gui version protonvpn from software app gnome
2024-06-06 18:51:02	linux_dream	gotya Namarrgon
2024-06-06 18:51:06	another|	itsme5n: are they? how is this obvious? some providers give you different creds per service
2024-06-06 18:51:07	Namarrgon	itsme5n: It's not obvious at all. The account creds are often different from the dial in creds.
2024-06-06 18:52:33	stewi	linux_dream, Namarrgon you don't need /boot in fstab if you're using systemd-boot.
2024-06-06 18:52:36	itsme5n	Namarrgon, i did not purchase any plans ok I just using free registered plan 
2024-06-06 18:53:17	Namarrgon	stewi: You should but that's not relevant when booting from the archiso.
2024-06-06 18:53:20	itsme5n	in that case no separate creds are given
2024-06-06 18:53:51	stewi	Namarrgon, is it the archiso that can't mount /boot?
2024-06-06 18:53:55	linux_dream	Namarrgon : https://0x0.st/XbKR.txt
2024-06-06 18:54:32	Namarrgon	linux_dream: Copy the existing entry and then modify the copy.
2024-06-06 18:54:34	linux_dream	do I add this line: /initramfs-linux-fallback.img  Namarrgon ?
2024-06-06 18:54:45	Namarrgon	No, you don't add it, you edit the existing line.
2024-06-06 18:54:48	linux_dream	make a double of the file yhou mean?
2024-06-06 18:54:53	Namarrgon	Yes
2024-06-06 18:55:04	linux_dream	like arch.conf.bak?
2024-06-06 18:55:12	Namarrgon	No, like a normal entry.
2024-06-06 18:55:12	linux_dream	then I edit this copy?
2024-06-06 18:55:24	linux_dream	uh, sorry I am confused
2024-06-06 18:55:33	Namarrgon	Entries end in .conf
2024-06-06 18:55:52	stewi	cp /boot/loader/entries/arch.conf /boot/loader/entries/arch-new.conf
2024-06-06 18:56:00	Namarrgon	You're not making a backup, you are creating a copy.
2024-06-06 18:56:13	linux_dream	oh I see. a file is an entry
2024-06-06 18:56:17	stewi	Yep
2024-06-06 18:56:40	linux_dream	got it.  ok so create a copy and I add the single line /initramfs-linux-fallback.img  ?
2024-06-06 18:56:57	stewi	What is the core issue you're trying to solve linux_dream? I don't seem to have chat history far back enough.
2024-06-06 18:57:38	Namarrgon	Is this a bad dream?
2024-06-06 18:58:04	Namarrgon	No, you don't add another line, you edit the existing line.
2024-06-06 18:58:12	linux_dream	Namarrgon : do I add /initramfs-linux-fallback.img    or do I need to modify the root UUID too ?
2024-06-06 18:58:17	linux_dream	ok yes
2024-06-06 18:58:18	Namarrgon	ffs, no, you don't
2024-06-06 18:59:11	linux_dream	I change those lines: initrd /intel-ucode.img     initrd /initramfs-linux.img    or just the 2nd line to initramfs-linux-fallback.img
2024-06-06 19:00:05	stewi	you modify the line so initramfs-linux.img -> initramfs-linux-fallback.img
2024-06-06 19:01:03	linux_dream	ok then I guess mkinitcpio and reboot
2024-06-06 19:01:09	linux_dream	i will try later tx a lot Namarrgon
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2024-06-06 21:07:44	linux_dream	sup so I am back, still stuck at booting, Namarrgon I have created a file in /boot something , I have used mkinitcpio -p linux, the command looked successfull but upon reboot I still had a single arch entry to boot from
2024-06-06 21:07:52	linux_dream	no fallback boot
2024-06-06 21:08:39	linux_dream	btw I have opened the PC to check if some cable was loose or something, I didn't notice anything special
2024-06-06 21:09:18	mefistofeles	linux_dream: what boot manager are you using?
2024-06-06 21:09:29	linux_dream	systemd-boot mefistofeles
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2024-06-06 21:12:56	mefistofeles	linux_dream: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot#Adding_loaders 
2024-06-06 21:12:57	@phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-06-06 21:13:41	linux_dream	I am on it mefistofeles
2024-06-06 21:14:13	linux_dream	this is what I've done, I added a new file (copy of the first I had), I modified a line adding fallback
2024-06-06 21:14:30	linux_dream	so I have 2 files in there.   I ran mkinitcpio -p linux
2024-06-06 21:14:40	linux_dream	thinking I would get 2 choices when booting, but nope
2024-06-06 21:15:16	linux_dream	the mkinitcpio command says it successfully generated a initramfs-linux-fallback image
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2024-06-06 21:15:32	linux_dream	what else do I need to do for it to appear when booting?
2024-06-06 21:16:10	mefistofeles	adding the files in the correct path should be enough
2024-06-06 21:16:15	mefistofeles	where do you have these files?
2024-06-06 21:16:45	linux_dream	in /boot/loader/entries
2024-06-06 21:17:01	linux_dream	I have arch.conf and arch_debug.conf in there, the latter being the new one I added
2024-06-06 21:17:16	linux_dream	stupid question but do I need to install amd drivers for the gpu right now?
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2024-06-06 21:19:23	mefistofeles	mesa drivers and the mkinitcpio modules, I suppose
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2024-06-06 21:20:45	linux_dream	mesa was already installed, i installed vulkan-radeon
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2024-06-06 21:23:26	linux_dream	rebooting.... only 1 arch entry
2024-06-06 21:23:37	linux_dream	same boot error unable to mount /boot
2024-06-06 21:23:43	Namarrgon	Did you change the titel of the new entry?
2024-06-06 21:23:59	linux_dream	hmm the file is called arch_debug.conf
2024-06-06 21:24:01	gehidore	did it get put in the right /boot -_-
2024-06-06 21:24:12	Namarrgon	"titel", not filename
2024-06-06 21:24:17	linux_dream	let me see Namarrgon  I guess not
2024-06-06 21:24:48	linux_dream	gonna take some time to reboot
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2024-06-06 21:28:04	gehidore	what on earth machine are you using?
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2024-06-06 21:28:37	mefistofeles	gehidore: rebooting!
2024-06-06 21:29:31	linux_dream	ok done I modified the title too
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2024-06-06 21:29:55	linux_dream	but the fact taht it didnt work is a bad sign already, it should have went using the fallback by default and it didnt work either
2024-06-06 21:30:42	linux_dream	damn.... still a single non working entry
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2024-06-06 21:31:00	linux_dream	....... I did reran mkinitcpio successfully too before rebooting
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2024-06-06 21:31:03	demonicm1niac1	have you MOUNTED the actual boot partition when editing the entries/copying the file
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2024-06-06 21:31:30	linux_dream	yes
2024-06-06 21:31:34	demonicm1niac1	or are you doing all your stuff on a shadow copy below / mount
2024-06-06 21:31:43	linux_dream	mount /dev/nvm..... /mnt/boot
2024-06-06 21:31:54	linux_dream	I did that command and checked with lsblk
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2024-06-06 21:32:18	linux_dream	I had root mounted at /mnt and boot mounted at /mnt/boot
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2024-06-06 21:32:39	linux_dream	when I reboot and chroot into my system I still see those files
2024-06-06 21:32:44	linux_dream	so they aren't ghosted
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2024-06-06 21:33:00	linux_dream	oh well, a lot have happened since then mingdao
2024-06-06 21:33:06	demonicm1niac1	for a lark change the title of the one "working" and see if it shows up changed then on rebooting. if not you are not working on the right files
2024-06-06 21:33:20	linux_dream	ok
2024-06-06 21:33:46	linux_dream	good idea demonicm1niac1  but is that all I should do, i.e. edit the files .conf  , run mkinitcpio -p linux ?
2024-06-06 21:33:52	linux_dream	nothing else required?
2024-06-06 21:34:19	demonicm1niac1	you don't need to run mkinitcpio if all you do is change the title in the entries/fallback.conf
2024-06-06 21:34:26	Namarrgon	You have a second ESP in that system, check that one for bootloaders.
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2024-06-06 21:34:44	demonicm1niac1	what Namarrgon said
2024-06-06 21:35:17	demonicm1niac1	it's obvious but if you need more assurance do the title changing. if a boot option does not appear you're not working on the right files. if something was wrong booting that option would fail but it would always appear
2024-06-06 21:35:59	Namarrgon	/dev/sda1: UUID="0111-1111" BLOCK_SIZE="512" TYPE="vfat" PARTLABEL="EFI System" PARTUUID="5792194c-ffd4-4c60-bc4d-ac63c6cacaf9"
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2024-06-06 21:37:02	linux_dream	it's my old disk (I added a new disk 2 weeks ago)
2024-06-06 21:37:23	linux_dream	I didnt wipe it out, I changed the uuid and partuuid so that it wont mess up with my system
2024-06-06 21:37:35	Namarrgon	You didn't wipe the loader off of it.
2024-06-06 21:37:38	linux_dream	i used clonezilla. didnt think this would cause problems again/
2024-06-06 21:37:45	stewi	linux_dream, at what point does the system actually fail at during boot? I never did understand what's going on.
2024-06-06 21:38:03	Namarrgon	It would also explain why the keyboard doesn't work and while the mounting of /boot fails.
2024-06-06 21:38:11	Namarrgon	s/while/why/
2024-06-06 21:38:11	linux_dream	Namarrgon so wait.... what should I modify exactly?
2024-06-06 21:38:35	Namarrgon	Mount the other ESP and put the entry config there.
2024-06-06 21:39:00	Namarrgon	Or fix this mess from the archiso if you're already there.
2024-06-06 21:39:18	Namarrgon	Was it you who broke everything by cloning the disk?
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2024-06-06 21:51:54	linux_dream	kind of.  not really.   i had to change the uuid and partuuid yes Namarrgon but I got it working eventually
2024-06-06 21:52:04	Namarrgon	This is the same mess, you are not done recovering from that incident.
2024-06-06 21:52:27	linux_dream	so here I am.  I mounted the /dev/sda1 into /mnt2  , I created a copy of arch.conf, modified it and indeed now when I boot I see this entry
2024-06-06 21:52:45	linux_dream	but the entry doesn't work, it fails to mount /boot
2024-06-06 21:52:54	linux_dream	damn.  how can this possibly be???
2024-06-06 21:53:14	linux_dream	can't I wipe /dev/sda1  ?
2024-06-06 21:53:21	Namarrgon	file /mnt2/vmlinuz-linux
2024-06-06 21:53:31	Namarrgon	You should have wiped it.
2024-06-06 21:53:48	linux_dream	is it too late?
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2024-06-06 21:54:42	linux_dream	I will try to delete it.  rerun mkinitcpio -p linux ....
2024-06-06 21:54:47	linux_dream	would this be ok?
2024-06-06 21:54:49	Namarrgon	post the output
2024-06-06 21:55:03	linux_dream	ok wait i am booting into archiso it takes time
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2024-06-06 21:59:22	stewi	Could it be failing to mount /boot because /boot is already mounted?
2024-06-06 21:59:44	linux_dream	https://0x0.st/XbNq.txt Namarrgon
2024-06-06 21:59:51	Namarrgon	They are probably booting the old kernel from the old ESP while the actual system has the new kernel.
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2024-06-06 22:00:14	Namarrgon	Post the file outout, rebuilding the initramfs is not going to fix anything.
2024-06-06 22:00:29	linux_dream	hmm which file output Namarrgon sorry
2024-06-06 22:00:35	Namarrgon	file /mnt2/vmlinuz-linux
2024-06-06 22:00:41	linux_dream	I deleted it
2024-06-06 22:00:49	Namarrgon	What did you delete?
2024-06-06 22:00:53	linux_dream	that file
2024-06-06 22:00:56	Namarrgon	why?
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2024-06-06 22:01:22	linux_dream	I just did it.  you wrote "You should have wiped it."     so I thought I had to do it
2024-06-06 22:01:47	Namarrgon	You should have wiped it back then, not now.
2024-06-06 22:01:56	linux_dream	ah damn....
2024-06-06 22:02:03	Namarrgon	You keep doing random shit that nobody told you to do.
2024-06-06 22:02:06	stewi	So, remove the old drive and see what happens?
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2024-06-06 22:02:26	linux_dream	i misunderstood Namarrgon
2024-06-06 22:02:35	stewi	Or better, keep it removed until the isue is fixed.
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2024-06-06 22:03:20	Namarrgon	Since you have a working archiso you can just remove the old ESP:
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2024-06-06 22:04:12	linux_dream	what is the ESP, is it the whole folder in /mnt2 ?
2024-06-06 22:04:20	linux_dream	or something else
2024-06-06 22:04:31	stewi	esp stands for EFI System Partition AFAIK
2024-06-06 22:04:56	stewi	You should be mounting it on /boot
2024-06-06 22:05:03	Namarrgon	Assuming that it is still /dev/sda2: "cfdisk /dev/sda"
2024-06-06 22:05:19	linux_dream	Namarrgon I don't want to wipe out the whole disk
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2024-06-06 22:05:34	Namarrgon	Just the ESP
2024-06-06 22:05:36	linux_dream	I still have the other big partition ext4 which I am too scared to delete, it contains my data
2024-06-06 22:05:54	linux_dream	ok
2024-06-06 22:06:08	linux_dream	i guess i dont have to mount /dev/sda2. i have to umount it
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2024-06-06 22:06:19	Namarrgon	right
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2024-06-06 22:07:45	linux_dream	ok done
2024-06-06 22:07:54	linux_dream	it's not an EFI partition anymore
2024-06-06 22:07:56	Namarrgon	blkid no longer lists it?
2024-06-06 22:08:06	linux_dream	it's just a linux filesystem partition now
2024-06-06 22:08:13	Namarrgon	...
2024-06-06 22:08:30	linux_dream	i still see it with blkid
2024-06-06 22:08:41	linux_dream	i used cdisk to delete it
2024-06-06 22:08:49	linux_dream	wait i will reetry
2024-06-06 22:09:39	linux_dream	done
2024-06-06 22:09:47	linux_dream	it's gone. lsblk doesn't list it either
2024-06-06 22:10:07	linux_dream	should i just reboot now or try mkinitcpio again ?
2024-06-06 22:10:31	Namarrgon	What does efibootmgr return?
2024-06-06 22:12:02	linux_dream	https://0x0/XbN.txt Namarrgon
2024-06-06 22:12:23	linux_dream	https://0x0/XbNM.txt Namarrgon
2024-06-06 22:12:44	Namarrgon	bash: efibootmgr: command not found
2024-06-06 22:12:46	gehidore	You're not giving complete urls there linux_dream
2024-06-06 22:13:26	linux_dream	hmm no that's not what I get Namarrgon
2024-06-06 22:13:49	linux_dream	I mean, ok yes when i chroot into /mnt OK
2024-06-06 22:13:50	Namarrgon	Then you gave us the wrong URL and it coincidentally fits the topic.
2024-06-06 22:14:01	stewi	I can't even open the link
2024-06-06 22:14:09	linux_dream	if I exit, I do the command and it returns several lines but I cannot paste
2024-06-06 22:14:22	Namarrgon	We didn't get to the chroot part yet.
2024-06-06 22:14:28	linux_dream	the url is OK, it's just that I ran it into the chroot instead of outside
2024-06-06 22:14:34	Namarrgon	stewi: https://0x0.st/XbNM.txt
2024-06-06 22:14:42	linux_dream	ok then I need a tool to paste outside the chroot
2024-06-06 22:14:45	stewi	Ah I'm blind
2024-06-06 22:15:01	Namarrgon	linux_dream: It's the same tool, curl, it works on both sides.
2024-06-06 22:15:38	Namarrgon	It's just that nobody said "chroot into the system now", you keep doing random stuff.
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2024-06-06 22:16:42	linux_dream	sorry youre right i had messed up
2024-06-06 22:16:48	linux_dream	giving you the link now Namarrgon
2024-06-06 22:17:16	linux_dream	https://0x0.st/XbN9.txt
2024-06-06 22:18:11	Namarrgon	Remove the 0005 entry, it still points to the old ESP.
2024-06-06 22:18:33	linux_dream	hmm how do I do that?
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2024-06-06 22:18:51	linux_dream	I forgot about efibootmgr
2024-06-06 22:19:23	Namarrgon	-B -b 0005
2024-06-06 22:20:00	linux_dream	efibootmgr -B -b 0005?
2024-06-06 22:20:06	Namarrgon	yes
2024-06-06 22:20:07	linux_dream	I just want to be 100% sure
2024-06-06 22:20:09	linux_dream	thx man
2024-06-06 22:20:38	linux_dream	ok done
2024-06-06 22:20:47	Namarrgon	Are / and /boot mounted?
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2024-06-06 22:20:59	linux_dream	yes
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2024-06-06 22:21:37	linux_dream	mounted:  /mnt and /mnt/boot
2024-06-06 22:21:42	Namarrgon	arch-chroot in and reinstall systemd-boot
2024-06-06 22:22:20	Namarrgon	to the ESP
2024-06-06 22:22:24	linux_dream	ah damn not as easy as pacman -S systemd-boot
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2024-06-06 22:22:34	stewi	linux_dream, bootctl install
2024-06-06 22:23:20	linux_dream	thx stewi
2024-06-06 22:23:25	linux_dream	done.  now what?
2024-06-06 22:23:41	Namarrgon	Did it create a new nvram entry?
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2024-06-06 22:24:03	linux_dream	i dont see anything about nvram
2024-06-06 22:24:08	linux_dream	only efi stuff
2024-06-06 22:24:16	Namarrgon	"efibootmgr"
2024-06-06 22:24:22	stewi	linux_dream, efibootmgr lists nvram entries
2024-06-06 22:24:33	Namarrgon	There should be a new entry that points to the new, and only, ESP.
2024-06-06 22:24:43	linux_dream	command not found.  do i exit the chroot to test the command?
2024-06-06 22:24:49	Namarrgon	sure
2024-06-06 22:24:57	Namarrgon	You could also install it.
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2024-06-06 22:25:51	linux_dream	Namarrgon I am not even sure myself:  https://0x0.st/XbNv.txt
2024-06-06 22:26:16	stewi	entry 0000 seems right
2024-06-06 22:26:33	linux_dream	phew I can breathe again.  does this mean I can finally reboot?
2024-06-06 22:26:40	Namarrgon	You can try.
2024-06-06 22:26:51	stewi	Didn't he wipe the ESP?
2024-06-06 22:26:58	Namarrgon	only the old one
2024-06-06 22:27:36	linux_dream	you made it Namarrgon
2024-06-06 22:27:46	Namarrgon	Does it boot?
2024-06-06 22:28:22	linux_dream	I applaude you.  I could not,in my own lifetime, could have done it alone. I own you like 3 or 4 beers now. (you saved my ass like 10 years ago with a hard to beat hardware)
2024-06-06 22:28:34	linux_dream	yes sir.   i have to test the GPU but it boots
2024-06-06 22:28:38	Namarrgon	Did /boot get mounted automatically?
2024-06-06 22:28:47	linux_dream	let me see. i guess so
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2024-06-06 22:28:58	linux_dream	yes
2024-06-06 22:29:14	Namarrgon	You should learn how the boot process works sooner than later, this wasn't enjoyable to watch.
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2024-06-06 22:29:24	linux_dream	I know...:(
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2024-06-06 22:29:33	linux_dream	it's harder than I thought
2024-06-06 22:30:24	linux_dream	so thanks a million, really.. you made my day/night and the weekend of my son who will enjoy the gpu i guess
2024-06-06 22:30:39	Namarrgon	You're welcome
2024-06-06 22:31:37	stewi	Happy ending
2024-06-06 22:33:04	linux_dream	thx to you too stewi
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2024-06-06 22:35:06	stewi	No I didn't really help. I never did get a grasp on exactly what your situation was.
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2024-06-06 22:38:32	teraflops	Namarrgon: is a privilege having you here, not only with your knowledge but with your attitude always being able to help
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2024-06-06 22:39:07	stewi	+1
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2024-06-06 22:45:05	Namarrgon	I only accept praise in the form of food.
2024-06-06 22:45:27	stewi	!give Namarrgon food
2024-06-06 22:45:27	⚡ 	phrik Namarrgon: noms on abouvier
2024-06-06 22:45:52	Namarrgon	people aren't food
2024-06-06 22:46:16	teraflops	phrik: 🍎
2024-06-06 22:46:17	@phrik	Nomnomnom
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2024-06-06 22:48:21	rcf	phrik: 🥒
2024-06-06 22:48:21	@phrik	rcf: Is that a question?
2024-06-06 22:49:02	stewi	Is there any documentation for this bot or do we just have to guess all the time?
2024-06-06 22:49:34	teraflops	iirc there's a wiki entry
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2024-06-06 22:50:04	teraflops	!aw phrik 
2024-06-06 22:50:05	@phrik	teraflops: Phrik - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Phrik
2024-06-06 22:51:21	@phrik	mingdao: alw Search the arch linux wiki with alw <search>
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2024-06-07 00:19:28	ridge	Wow, glad linux_dream got that PC working again. They were at it for a while.
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2024-06-07 00:20:38	ridge	Massive respect Namarrgon 
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2024-06-07 01:44:03	rarebird15	Hi all. I decided to do a complete reinstall because of my clipboard issues but I'm running into an issue I don't understand. I downloaded the imageisowriter package from the extra repository. I also just downloaded the latest arch iso via magnet link from archlinux.org as well as the pgp signature file. When I try to start the process of writing my iso to my usb, isoimagewriter says the
2024-06-07 01:44:03	rarebird15	signature 
2024-06-07 01:44:10	rarebird15	is wrong. How can that be when I just downloaded it and the iso from archlinux.org?
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2024-06-07 01:49:34	Namarrgon	rarebird15: You downloaded the pgp signature? Have you verified it manually with gpg --verify?
2024-06-07 01:50:07	Namarrgon	If that comes back positive then you can just 'cp' the image to usb, you don't need isoimagewriter for this.
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2024-06-07 01:53:32	rarebird15	Okay, just did that. It said good signature but then gave me a warning about there being no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
2024-06-07 01:53:52	Namarrgon	That's normal since you have not assigned any trust to the key.
2024-06-07 01:54:28	rarebird15	I need to wipe the usb drive since it has an old iso on it. What's the best way to do that?
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2024-06-07 01:54:43	Namarrgon	I guess you could use pacman-key --verify, since pacman has trust assigned to that key.
2024-06-07 01:54:57	Namarrgon	You don't need to wipe it, just write the new image to it.
2024-06-07 01:55:22	Namarrgon	cp /path/to/arch.iso /dev/sdX
2024-06-07 01:59:18	rarebird15	Weird: cp: cannot create regular file '/dev/sda': Permission denied
2024-06-07 01:59:31	rarebird15	That was without sudo though.
2024-06-07 02:00:09	Namarrgon	You need elevated privileges to write to a blockdevice.
2024-06-07 02:00:16	Namarrgon	Is /dev/sda the correct device?
2024-06-07 02:00:51	rarebird15	Yes. I checked fdisk and it says that's the name of my sandisk drive.
2024-06-07 02:01:01	rarebird15	Or path
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2024-06-07 02:03:17	rarebird15	Okay that worked with sudo. Now I'm going to use efibootmgr to change my boot order so it boots to the usb. Easiest way to do things so you don't need sighted help if you're blind.
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2024-06-07 02:05:53	rarebird15	Okay, here goes. I hope I can get speech enabled on the first try. That took me a few tries last time.
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2024-06-07 02:07:57	greyltc	til the arch iso has those types of accessibility features. cool!
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2024-06-07 12:02:09	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-06-07 04:47:32	greyltc	I *think* this will get you to the point where you can boot the existing linux in UEFI mode without hosing the windows install
2024-06-07 04:49:20	greyltc	actually, it almost gets you there. you've still got to manually add loader entries for linux and windows
2024-06-07 04:51:31	greyltc	anyway, that's the blueprint I'd go for, but there's plenty of opportunity to screw things up. at least in theory it gets you dual booting windows + arch while keeping your existing non-gpt disk install
2024-06-07 04:51:31	_xRichard__	well, its a tricky situation because i have BIOS instead UEFI ?
2024-06-07 04:53:00	ectospasm	Oh, that's totally different.  ESP won't matter then.
2024-06-07 04:53:06	ectospasm	GRUB is the way to go
2024-06-07 04:53:47	ectospasm	Can Win11 work on a BIOS system?  I bet it can, Microsoft is all about backwards compatibility
2024-06-07 04:54:29	greyltc	_xRichard__: your system doesn't support booting in UEFI mode at all? what is your computer?
2024-06-07 04:55:26	pushrad	i heard windows 11 doesn't support BIOS
2024-06-07 04:55:42	ectospasm	If it's a BIOS system, any EFI bootloader won't work
2024-06-07 04:55:43	pushrad	i remember there being a story about how much e-waste that decision would produce heh
2024-06-07 04:56:10	rcf	That was the point of it, yes. 
2024-06-07 04:56:23	gehidore	_xRichard__ what machine is this?
2024-06-07 04:56:41	pushrad	rcf, #archlinux-offtopic ?
2024-06-07 04:58:20	_xRichard__	H310M-K v2.0 motherboard
2024-06-07 04:59:22	rcf	_xRichard__: that supports UEFI fine. 
2024-06-07 04:59:41	ectospasm	So maybe it's in legacy mode
2024-06-07 05:00:06	_xRichard__	rcf: UEFI is always better right ? and some machines dont support UEFI ? i thought only old ones dont support it
2024-06-07 05:05:40	ectospasm	UEFI is a newer, more expansive standard.  "Better" is a matter of opinion, but I like to think it's better.
2024-06-07 05:05:57	ectospasm	GPT partition tables are definitely an improvement.
2024-06-07 05:06:05	ectospasm	(GPT is part of the UEFI standard)
2024-06-07 05:06:45	pushrad	<ectospasm> (GPT is part of the UEFI standard) < TIL
2024-06-07 05:08:01	greyltc	I dual boot arch + windows 11, keeping them on seperate drives (both GPT). I've not done it with an mbr drive for linux though
2024-06-07 05:08:36	_xRichard__	and support w10 w11 and most cases and suggested, i want to change to GPT than, cant i ?
2024-06-07 05:08:36	greyltc	But it's not immediately obvious to me why it shouldn't be possible
2024-06-07 05:10:40	rcf	_xRichard__: with Windows, you cannot change. If you booted the installer as BIOS, you must use MBR. If you booted UEFI, you must use GPT. Windows 11 doesn't support BIOS so you may only use GPT. 
2024-06-07 05:10:42	greyltc	_xRichard__: it seems possible to convert https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GPT_fdisk#Convert_between_MBR_and_GPT
2024-06-07 05:10:43	@phrik	Title: GPT fdisk - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-07 05:10:48	greyltc	I've never done it
2024-06-07 05:14:07	_xRichard__	rcf: windows not installed yet greyltc: tnx lemme look
2024-06-07 05:14:40	rcf	_xRichard__: if you plan to use Windows for more than a year, you'll need to be using UEFI. 
2024-06-07 05:14:48	rcf	Unless you like paying for LTSC 
2024-06-07 05:15:15	rcf	Maybe. Assuming you have proper TPM support and a recent-enough CPU. 
2024-06-07 05:15:51	rcf	It looks like it should be 11 compatible, at least. 
2024-06-07 05:17:52	ectospasm	This laptop came with Windows 11 Home.  I never booted it once, I just ran `nvme sanitize` and installed Arch.
2024-06-07 05:18:41	ectospasm	I have a laptop issued to me by one of my employer's customers.  I powered it on one day earlier last month to find they had upgraded it to Windows 11 without my knowledge or consent.  But it's their hardware, they can do what they wish with it.
2024-06-07 05:19:02	ectospasm	I use it solely to access their network
2024-06-07 05:19:35	ectospasm	Got a call from my team's on-call engineer, that customer had fucked up their SSO and they couldn't log into the application I support
2024-06-07 05:19:59	virtualsid	did you respond with 'too bad, so sad'?
2024-06-07 05:20:09	_xRichard__	Warning! Secondary partitino table overlaps the last partition by 33 blocks! You will need to delete this partition table or resize it in another utility
2024-06-07 05:20:17	ectospasm	It worked for me, at 03:45 AM, and right after I told them,"It's your SSO..."  they said it was fixed.
2024-06-07 05:20:21	virtualsid	oh, sorry, this wasn't offtopic channel
2024-06-07 05:20:48	_xRichard__	is this the warning of laptop data collapse ? is said use AHCI instead RAID if possible ? and why it cant be possible tho ?
2024-06-07 05:21:21	_xRichard__	i have 2 partitions only swap and /root
2024-06-07 05:21:40	virtualsid	_xRichard__: difficult to tell, has it been working fine for ages, and now it's not? I would also generally recommend 'not RAID'
2024-06-07 05:22:34	rcf	_xRichard__: the issue is that the RAID mode is always "requires separate drivers that may or may not actually work", so not using it by default is the safe choice. 
2024-06-07 05:24:53	_xRichard__	hm its for both driver situation i guess. and might be problematic when they connected each other gotcha. what about current problem ? what im gonna delete or resize ?
2024-06-07 05:27:29	rcf	_xRichard__: unfortunately I don't think you can convert easily in this case. 
2024-06-07 05:28:44	rcf	_xRichard__: what is the actual partition layout here? 
2024-06-07 05:30:02	rcf	If your last partition is your swap, then you just swapoff, delete it, convert, recreate it, mkswap, swapon. Possibly modify your fstab. 
2024-06-07 05:30:14	rcf	If your last partition is your root... it's complicated. 
2024-06-07 05:30:28	_xRichard__	/dev/sdb1 swap /dev/sdb2 /root i have sda for second ssd it has no partition, + sdc + sr0 they are usb
2024-06-07 05:30:50	_xRichard__	oh man :/
2024-06-07 05:31:15	ectospasm	Why does root's home directory have its own partition?
2024-06-07 05:31:23	_xRichard__	so suggested one is not to leave root partition to last partition huh ? noted
2024-06-07 05:31:52	ectospasm	It shouldn't make much of a difference, as long as your partitions don't overlap
2024-06-07 05:32:05	ectospasm	But it sounds like you've landed in a situation where they do
2024-06-07 05:32:13	rcf	ectospasm: the problem is that their root overlaps with where the secondary GPT would go. 
2024-06-07 05:32:30	ectospasm	Oh, OK.  What's the secondary GPT for?
2024-06-07 05:32:30	_xRichard__	ectospasm, i remember home seperated but i cant see it in here. i have changed that -as far as remember-
2024-06-07 05:32:44	_xRichard__	1. swap 2. root
2024-06-07 05:33:26	ectospasm	You can paste `fdisk -l /dev/sdb`
2024-06-07 05:33:32	rcf	!paste
2024-06-07 05:33:33	@phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-06-07 05:33:35	ectospasm	!give _xRichard__ paste
2024-06-07 05:33:35	@phrik	_xRichard__: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-06-07 05:33:48	ectospasm	Oh, too late, sorry for the duplicate
2024-06-07 05:34:33	rcf	ectospasm: GPT stores two for a bit of redundancy. 
2024-06-07 05:35:00	ectospasm	Oh, yeah, I always forget about that
2024-06-07 05:35:21	ectospasm	Kinda like having the superblock stored in multiple places in a filesystem
2024-06-07 05:36:05	_xRichard__	https://bpa.st/MCQA
2024-06-07 05:36:07	@phrik	Title: View paste MCQA (at bpa.st)
2024-06-07 05:36:09	ectospasm	I know ext4 does that, but I haven't gotten that deep into other filesystems to know if that remains true.  All the modern ones do stuff like that
2024-06-07 05:37:38	ectospasm	_xRichard__: I don't see anything out of the ordinary in that.  Where are you seeing the error?
2024-06-07 05:37:46	rcf	ectospasm: when trying to convert to GPT. 
2024-06-07 05:38:38	_xRichard__	sudo sgdisk -g /dev/sdb << that one 
2024-06-07 05:38:49	ectospasm	Ohhh, yeah. 
2024-06-07 05:39:33	ectospasm	Is there a reason you want to convert to GPT?  I'd rsync any data in your root partition to a backup system, and just reformat with a GPT table
2024-06-07 05:40:05	gehidore	Converting should be pretty painless these days
2024-06-07 05:40:16	ectospasm	Obviously not in this case
2024-06-07 05:40:19	rcf	Unless your last filesystem is your root and thus you need to resize.
2024-06-07 05:41:04	rcf	Also you'd need an ESP to boot. And Windows will want secure boot, so you'll need to set that up as well. 
2024-06-07 05:41:12	ectospasm	Oh, you can shrink the filesystem by as much as you need, and then shrink the partition.  When the disk partitioner says it finds a filesystem there, don't let it delete or overwite the filesystem
2024-06-07 05:41:25	ectospasm	I know fdisk does that
2024-06-07 05:41:30	ectospasm	parted too
2024-06-07 05:41:33	rcf	fdisk does not shrink the filesystem. 
2024-06-07 05:41:50	_xRichard__	rcf: u mean i need to create EFI partition on linux disk ?
2024-06-07 05:41:50	rcf	I don't think parted does either. gparted does. 
2024-06-07 05:41:50	ectospasm	rcf: no, but you can shrink it before you repartition, like I said.
2024-06-07 05:42:49	ectospasm	It's best to have backups, in case things go horribly wrong.
2024-06-07 05:46:28	rcf	_xRichard__: I suppose what I'd do here is leave Linux disk MBR. Install Windows on the second disk, under UEFI (being sure that the ESP it creates is sufficient). Then set up grub on the Windows ESP from the ISO. 
2024-06-07 05:47:12	ectospasm	I haven't dual-booted in over 20 years
2024-06-07 05:47:17	rcf	If it's 11, you'll need to enable secureboot for the installation, then disable to get back into the Arch ISO, then set up secureboot within Arch to allow you to dual-boot again. 
2024-06-07 05:47:23	ectospasm	So I'm not the best one to help in this.
2024-06-07 05:48:06	_xRichard__	rcf: it doesnt even boot, and make more stable and since we are on that track im converting it. even for w10, is it better and less prolematic ?
2024-06-07 05:48:55	rcf	_xRichard__: in your case more problematic, because resizing partitions is annoying, and you'd need an ESP and to reinstall the bootloader anyway. 
2024-06-07 05:49:47	_xRichard__	w11 will be less problematic ? ok and why in my case ? actually thats why im converting to GPT
2024-06-07 05:50:04	rcf	_xRichard__: well, 10 only has support until 2025. 
2024-06-07 05:50:25	rcf	So if you're going to be installing Windows now, you might as well bite the bullet unless you get LTSC. 
2024-06-07 05:51:11	virtualsid	so, 2025 is when I remove Windows from the machine in the house, got it.
2024-06-07 05:51:42	_xRichard__	well sorry but getting way complicated even the thread in the forum lol, people said it too. as far as i get it, w11 is less problematic and lets say better. also same with GPT. so yeah w11 + gpt
2024-06-07 05:51:56	rcf	Not the same with GPT on the Linux side. 
2024-06-07 05:51:56	_xRichard__	can you help me about GParted pls ?
2024-06-07 05:52:20	rcf	I'd genuinely leave it MBR. It will be much easier with your particular layout. 
2024-06-07 05:53:11	rcf	You wouldn't be able to boot it UEFI, but waiting to set that up until after Windows isn't any more complicated. 
2024-06-07 05:53:15	rcf	And would be less so here. 
2024-06-07 05:54:03	rcf	(personally I think 11 is a travesty, but I can't recommend operating systems that won't get security updates within the year)
2024-06-07 05:54:51	_xRichard__	i would like to conver to GPT
2024-06-07 05:56:27	_xRichard__	shrink 1GB in root will do the trick ?
2024-06-07 05:57:59	rcf	It could, but you'll have to do it from the ISO, along with creating an ESP and reinstalling bootloader. A good backup beforehand is a good idea, because resizing always risks data loss. 
2024-06-07 05:58:32	rcf	What filesystem type are you using for /? 
2024-06-07 05:59:14	_xRichard__	ext4 why from iso ? im on Arch now, iso not working now, on gparted im talking about linux disk, no partition in windows disk, no windows
2024-06-07 05:59:40	rcf	You can't resize root on the system that's running from it. 
2024-06-07 05:59:51	rcf	Any resizing must be done offline. 
2024-06-07 06:00:09	rcf	So you'll need to boot something else. 
2024-06-07 06:06:25	rcf	Some other filesystems might be more supportive of it, but ext* don't like it at all. 
2024-06-07 06:10:19	lain1001	 
2024-06-07 06:10:19	lain1001	/leave
2024-06-07 06:10:25	_xRichard__	ok gotcha, i can change the filesystem too ? https://bpa.st/IHWQ << im going underground getting prepared :) is all good ?
2024-06-07 06:10:27	@phrik	Title: View paste IHWQ (at bpa.st)
2024-06-07 06:12:12	rcf	_xRichard__: for not-GUI you'd need to use parted or gdisk or the like. And you need to run resize2fs first. See https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Parted#Shrinking_partitions
2024-06-07 06:12:13	@phrik	Title: Parted - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-07 06:14:09	rcf	_xRichard__: for parted, also mind the note: be sure it's using GiB. 
2024-06-07 06:16:47	rcf	And again I must warn you to backup before doing this if you have important data. 
2024-06-07 06:19:39	_xRichard__	damn there is no -1G in parted, would you pls help me with the commands ?
2024-06-07 06:23:48	rcf	What resize2fs command did you use? 
2024-06-07 06:24:18	_xRichard__	i only know the -1G stuff; is it better: https://bpa.st/566Q
2024-06-07 06:24:20	@phrik	Title: View paste 566Q (at bpa.st)
2024-06-07 06:31:41	hao_	hi, just done a system update, now tmux is not working, and error out: tmux: /usr/lib/libncursesw.so.6: version `NCURSES6_TINFO_6.4.current' not found (required by tmux)
2024-06-07 06:31:44	rcf	_xRichard__: it requires calculation of the values manually. 
2024-06-07 06:32:46	gehidore	hao_ how did you update?
2024-06-07 06:32:59	hao_	gehidore: pacman -Syu
2024-06-07 06:33:05	Edu4rdSHL	Also, `pacman -Qs tmux`
2024-06-07 06:33:51	hao_	my ncurse version is now 6.5-3, I also tried install the tmux-git in AUR, the same error. 
2024-06-07 06:34:26	Edu4rdSHL	6.5.3 is the correct version, please post the output of the command I gave to you
2024-06-07 06:34:32	Edu4rdSHL	6.5-3 *
2024-06-07 06:34:49	hao_	Edu4rdSHL: it output: local/tmux-git 10224_3.4.r56.gc07e856-1   (that's the tmux-git I installed later)
2024-06-07 06:35:22	Edu4rdSHL	Please install the package from the repo
2024-06-07 06:35:26	hao_	okay
2024-06-07 06:35:35	Edu4rdSHL	Then we can start investigating, if the issue persists
2024-06-07 06:36:09	rcf	_xRichard__: so, I'd use 478184831s as the size for the resize2fs operation. Set units to 's' in parted, and then you can resize to an end of 486000000
2024-06-07 06:36:47	hao_	now I installed tmux-3.4-8 from repo, the -Qs tmux output: local/tmux 3.4-8, and still the same error when trying to run `tmux`
2024-06-07 06:37:17	Edu4rdSHL	type -a tmux
2024-06-07 06:38:41	hao_	Edu4rdSHL: thank you! solved, I'm using the old ~/.local/bin/tmux
2024-06-07 06:39:32	_xRichard__	rcf: oh it needs bytes or smt ? really messed up :/ it will shrink 1GB ?
2024-06-07 06:39:50	rcf	_xRichard__: that's 512-byte blocks, the unit the drive itself is using. 
2024-06-07 06:41:14	rcf	That will bring you down to just over 228GB. 
2024-06-07 06:42:51	rcf	If that's too annoying you can use more standard units, being careful to calculate the end so that the total size of the partition is greater than what you resized it to. 
2024-06-07 06:43:31	rcf	Resized the filesystem to, rather. 
2024-06-07 06:44:41	rcf	Just do start + (slightly less than your resize2fs value) to get the end parameter required in parted.  
2024-06-07 06:45:41	rcf	Slightly less because these aren't on really nice boundaries for human units and I don't necessarily trust the rounding error. 
2024-06-07 06:46:15	_xRichard__	rcf: oh yeah super annoying and stressed, but no can do, i guess its done ? : https://bpa.st/OOXQ
2024-06-07 06:46:17	@phrik	Title: View paste OOXQ (at bpa.st)
2024-06-07 06:49:57	rcf	_xRichard__: you need to set units to s in parted, and you should create the ESP after the conversion. 
2024-06-07 06:52:07	rcf	Also don't chroot, that creates the same problem. 
2024-06-07 06:54:47	_xRichard__	rcf: im deeply sorry and frustrated, working for it 3 days. i hope im not being rude or such but i cant handle it. can i ask you to write commands i need in pastebin kindly ? thank you very much for your help sir
2024-06-07 07:04:28	rcf	I can appreciate that it's annoying and frustrating, but I think that's mostly an argument not to bother. Leaving it MBR and waiting until after Windows to deal with UEFI doesn't cost you anything, and saves you the risk of data loss in the mean time.
2024-06-07 07:08:28	rcf	That's usually my recommendation -- install Windows first and then worry about Arch -- but in your case, it would be install Windows first, and then worry about getting back into Arch. 
2024-06-07 07:08:41	rcf	Much less stressful and annoying. 
2024-06-07 07:10:57	_xRichard__	actually you are right. its smart. but what about EUFI part ? w11 will need it in case i install w10 it will end support(idk about that) in 1 year. so ? my head reall cozy now
2024-06-07 07:12:57	_xRichard__	i dont have important data tho, and for future changing GPT will usefull. and recommended thats why
2024-06-07 07:13:37	rcf	Recommendations don't always apply to every situation. Yours is different from the norm. 
2024-06-07 07:14:06	rcf	Normally, people want Windows and Linux on the same drive. That would require GPT for future-proofing. 
2024-06-07 07:15:10	rcf	But you're using a separate drive for Windows. It can be GPT, you can install with UEFI and secure boot, and then when you get back into Arch and configure these things it won't matter. You'll be booting off the Windows ESP, but that can include all your Linux boot files without issue. 
2024-06-07 07:16:51	rcf	Linux does not care in the slightest what kind of partition table you use for / and swap on a second drive in this situation. You'll still have the full functionality of the more modern boot process and support Windows going forward. You lose nothing.
2024-06-07 07:18:56	_xRichard__	oh wait! so are you saying i can convert to GPT after win setup ? because yes my disks are seperated but i want to buy new 1TB SSD and clone all them into it. Including that one make me want GPT. But if i can convert after windows it will be the smartest
2024-06-07 07:19:30	rcf	You don't have to convert to GPT for Linux at all.
2024-06-07 07:19:45	rcf	You can have separate disks with different types of patition table. It doesn't matter. 
2024-06-07 07:22:09	_xRichard__	alright than, going for install windows by unplugging Arch. thanks a lot man
2024-06-07 07:22:36	rcf	_xRichard__: you'll have to have a bit of fun setting up the bootloader, but you already know that. 
2024-06-07 07:23:14	_xRichard__	yeah enable secure boot and disable again and again right :)
2024-06-07 07:23:52	rcf	But that's normal for dual-boot setups. You never can boot straight into your old Linux install after installing Windows without a little configuration. 
2024-06-07 07:25:18	_xRichard__	another thing yeah. choosing w11, but will happen to w10 in next year ?
2024-06-07 07:25:33	rcf	It goes out of mainstream support, so you'd have to pay to get updates for it. 
2024-06-07 07:26:00	_xRichard__	hm and updates will be required right ? they will force people to pay
2024-06-07 07:26:47	rcf	They wouldn't be required, strictly speaking, but you generally want them. And software may start to drop support for it, as happened with older Windows versions. 
2024-06-07 07:27:38	rcf	You want vulnerabilities to be patched is the main thing. 
2024-06-07 07:29:42	rcf	My personal view is that 11 is awful, adoption is low for a reason, and 10 will be the next XP or 7 in terms of people running it even inadvisably. 
2024-06-07 07:31:07	lemmein	speaking of vulnerabilities, wdyt about linux issuing useless cve numbers and basically destroying the standard
2024-06-07 07:32:07	rcf	_xRichard__: but if you're installing Windows I assume you're going into that more mainstream ecosystem for a reason, so you can always boot back into Linux to be less annoyed. 
2024-06-07 07:32:52	rcf	lemmein: that's a rabbit hole that goes beyond anything Linux-related. 
2024-06-07 07:34:09	rcf	_xRichard__: ultimately I can't tell you what to do, I can just tell you what the upstream is going to support. 
2024-06-07 07:34:24	_xRichard__	i only installing for gaming, i played no games with a few months. some lol match and cs .. thats all of trouble :) about a bit configuration* is about adding windows efi part to fstab, is there anything else ?
2024-06-07 07:34:56	rcf	_xRichard__: you'll have to reinstall your bootloader. I'm assuming it's GRUB if you're BIOS. If it's syslinux... you'll have to become acquainted with GRUB or systemd-boot. 
2024-06-07 07:35:00	_xRichard__	i missed cod4 lately, steam problem occured, lol has vanguard thing, same with valore and it goes on
2024-06-07 07:35:24	rcf	systemd-boot requires a larger ESP than Windows might give you, so be aware that it should probably be 512MB. 
2024-06-07 07:36:06	_xRichard__	yeah its GRUB
2024-06-07 07:42:23	rcf	_xRichard__: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#UEFI_systems but that's for later. 
2024-06-07 07:42:24	@phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-07 08:54:56	_xRichard__	insert bootable device or usb error
2024-06-07 09:03:16	_xRichard__	my eufi name not windows either its weird now: CCCOMA_X64FRE_EN-US_DV9
2024-06-07 09:10:21	Edu4rdSHL	That's a very common name for bootable USB devices
2024-06-07 09:11:38	_xRichard__	oh okay before than this it was usually windows named. why it cant see it tho ?
2024-06-07 09:14:50	Edu4rdSHL	Can't see what?
2024-06-07 09:15:26	rcf	_xRichard__: is this trying to boot the Arch ISO? 
2024-06-07 09:16:27	_xRichard__	no like u said windows first. i unplugged arch ssd and windows(empty ssd) is plugged, its windows bootable live usb
2024-06-07 09:27:52	ponies	yesterday you were doing this the other way around 
2024-06-07 09:38:37	_xRichard__	yeah, it was not booting neither. now im not `dual` installing thats the difference but at least, its process :)
2024-06-07 09:39:44	rcf	ponies: I've succeeded in suggesting a less irritating approach. Or at least it should be. 
2024-06-07 09:46:52	_xRichard__	rcf: yes but what now ? it cant see the bootable usb
2024-06-07 09:47:05	rcf	How did you create it? 
2024-06-07 09:47:31	_xRichard__	kde's iso image writer
2024-06-07 09:48:11	_xRichard__	isoimagewriter << thats the package name 
2024-06-07 09:49:31	rcf	I'm not sure that's actually compatible with the Windows requirements 
2024-06-07 09:52:52	rcf	Something like woeusb or ventoy would be required. Or a complicated manual approach I've never used myself. 
2024-06-07 09:58:25	_xRichard__	will try them
2024-06-07 09:59:04	_xRichard__	am i so unlucky ? or new windows problems and/or such ?
2024-06-07 10:00:43	rcf	No, Windows has never worked like Linux in this regard. 
2024-06-07 10:00:53	rcf	The ISOs are not intended to be bootable when written directly to USB. 
2024-06-07 10:03:34	_xRichard__	btw i really thank you for make me avoid gpt stuff for now, i mean that way is the `easier` :)
2024-06-07 11:24:00	brethil	Did chromium recently change its flags for egl? I cannot seem to get gpu acceleration working anymore
2024-06-07 11:24:29	brethil	I've looked at the forum thread (https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=244031&p=42) but found no useful takes
2024-06-07 11:24:31	@phrik	Title: chromium: hardware video acceleration with VA-API / Applications & Desktop Environments / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-06-07 11:26:08	dmr104	I have vscode 1.89 installed from pacman.  I built the AUR 1.90 and did a pacman -U but the version which loads is still 1.89
2024-06-07 11:28:29	_xRichard__	`your system is not required min. system req.` secure boot is enabled (cant changed it tho), i tried `Other OS` and `UEFI Windows` in boot/secure boot side in BIOS settings
2024-06-07 11:29:17	BrainDamage	dmr104: pacman -Qs vscode
2024-06-07 11:29:44	dmr104	local/code 1.89.1-1
2024-06-07 11:31:08	BrainDamage	dmr104: that's the package you have installed, you either compiled the wrong version, or didn't install it
2024-06-07 11:31:28	BrainDamage	... or you overwrote the manually compiled one with the official repo's
2024-06-07 11:31:46	BrainDamage	pacman's log might inform you about what you did
2024-06-07 11:32:17	BrainDamage	but that'd be only kind of satisfying your curiosity, no matter what, you'll have to rebuild and/or reinstall the correct one you want
2024-06-07 11:36:29	dmr104	log is at https://termbin.com/x06q
2024-06-07 11:37:03	rcf	_xRichard__: for 11, what are you TPM settings? 
2024-06-07 11:38:28	dmr104	what if i `pacman -D code`, and then try to install the locally built one?
2024-06-07 11:39:30	rcf	dmr104: that only indicates you've installed the dbeug packages. 
2024-06-07 11:39:33	rcf	debug rather 
2024-06-07 11:40:50	dmr104	oh
2024-06-07 11:44:05	dmr104	am installing correct one now
2024-06-07 11:45:36	_xRichard__	rcf: im on h310m-k i cant see it in bios
2024-06-07 11:46:35	_xRichard__	last comment: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/how-to-enable-tpm-2-0-in-the-bios.3727507/
2024-06-07 11:46:36	@phrik	Title: [SOLVED] - How to enable TPM 2.0 in the BIOS? | Tom's Hardware Forum (at forums.tomshardware.com)
2024-06-07 11:47:12	rcf	_xRichard__: ah, apparently you'd need to buy a TPM module 
2024-06-07 11:47:56	_xRichard__	intel trust tech. disabled && ME Operation mode normal
2024-06-07 11:48:36	rcf	Enable intel trust tech. 
2024-06-07 11:49:53	rcf	That might allow you to get by without buying anything. 
2024-06-07 11:50:53	_xRichard__	i did, same error :(
2024-06-07 11:52:00	rcf	_xRichard__: then to get 11, you'd need to buy a TPM 2.0 module 
2024-06-07 11:52:07	rcf	They're not expensive. 
2024-06-07 11:52:22	rcf	$24 for the ASUS module. 
2024-06-07 11:52:30	rcf	For now, just go for 10. 
2024-06-07 11:54:03	rcf	You've got a year to upgrade so you're fine 
2024-06-07 11:54:12	rcf	Over a year, in fact. 
2024-06-07 11:54:42	_xRichard__	can u share me the link of 10 ? i found 24
2024-06-07 11:55:14	rcf	I mean go for Windows 10 now 
2024-06-07 11:55:39	rcf	Install with secure boot and UEFI and upgrading will be easy when it is required. 
2024-06-07 11:56:32	rcf	The $24 ASUS module can come between now and october of next year 
2024-06-07 11:57:03	_xRichard__	yeah smart until than maybe even my system will change
2024-06-07 11:57:22	_xRichard__	rcf: u mean the price will increase ?
2024-06-07 11:57:43	rcf	It won't. It's stayed fairly constant. 
2024-06-07 11:58:16	rcf	But even if it goes up, you can save up for it if it's too much now. 
2024-06-07 11:58:55	rcf	(this is part of why I hate the requirement, the fact that motherboards were shipped without the modules is disgusting) 
2024-06-07 11:59:37	_xRichard__	yeah, 3 days struggle after 3 days waiting and such. its trouible motherboard tho
2024-06-07 11:59:48	_xRichard__	what was the package name weo .. ? im on laptop now
2024-06-07 12:00:11	rcf	ASUS wants $24 for it, is that too much to fucking ask on the base price? But regardless, install 10 now if you need extra hardware for 11. 
2024-06-07 12:01:26	_xRichard__	sure that what im going to do, can u tell me the iso burner package name ? smt with weo..
2024-06-07 12:01:45	rcf	woeusb? 
2024-06-07 12:02:09	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-06-07 12:02:10	rcf	I assume it worked beforehand if you got to the installer enough for it to tell you to buy more crap 
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2024-06-07 12:04:16	_xRichard__	yes installing now
2024-06-07 12:04:27	_xRichard__	idk are we talking about the company or tech stuff ?
2024-06-07 12:05:47	rcf	A bit of both. 
2024-06-07 12:06:23	⚡ 	rcf looks down on asus for advertising "Windows 11 ready" while requiring an extra purchase
2024-06-07 12:06:32	_xRichard__	all i know is from (experience like this) this motherboard is a trouble. its micro tho 2800mhz support only
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2024-06-07 12:17:28	MrElendig	rcf: most boards with ftpm are officially supported by win11 though
2024-06-07 12:17:42	demonicm1niac1	rcf: it's not just tpm tho is it? wasn't it tpm 2.0 specifically and 1.2/1.4 not officially supported + anything pre intel 8th gen or ryzen 2000 also not officially supported for some cpu feature crap on top?
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2024-06-07 12:18:50	rcf	MrElendig: in theory, but enabling that seems not to have helped 
2024-06-07 12:19:04	demonicm1niac1	ah i see it's h310m so it is 8th gen
2024-06-07 12:19:04	rcf	demonicm1niac1: true
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2024-06-07 12:19:54	rcf	I did check the board's documentation for this. 
2024-06-07 12:19:56	demonicm1niac1	they throw out 8th and 9th gen dell optiplexes and thinkcentre minis for like 100$ here
2024-06-07 12:21:01	rcf	demonicm1niac1: they've done like they did with Vista Ready™, except slightly worse. 
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2024-06-07 12:21:51	rcf	demonicm1niac1: indeed, I've never bought anything but a surplus workstation with my own money. 
2024-06-07 12:21:53	BrainDamage	I find kinda funny that they require a tpm but allow a modular one, I wonder what's the actual use
2024-06-07 12:21:59	demonicm1niac1	rcf: indeed killing off anything more than 7 years old pretty much
2024-06-07 12:22:08	BrainDamage	surely not authenticating the machine, since it's removeable
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2024-06-07 12:22:20	rcf	BrainDamage: it's just cost-cutting. 
2024-06-07 12:22:39	rcf	The chip is not that expensive, obviously, or I wouldn't be able to so confidently recommend buying it. 
2024-06-07 12:22:49	rcf	But they want to sell motherboards for even cheaper. 
2024-06-07 12:23:00	demonicm1niac1	for the mobo yes but BrainDamage means why would win depend on a modular tpm that can be removed and isn't hardwired secure
2024-06-07 12:23:13	demonicm1niac1	like what does win gain from a modular tpm security wise
2024-06-07 12:23:35	rcf	demonicm1niac1: because physical access is still a death sentence security-wise. 
2024-06-07 12:24:32	⚡ 	Foxboron reads backlog
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2024-06-07 12:25:03	rcf	Foxboron: it's not about Linux, it's about how to get Windows to accept their setup. 
2024-06-07 12:25:12	Foxboron	Talk about offtopic
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2024-06-07 12:25:32	Foxboron	BrainDamage: It's about "authentication", as in making bitlocker and stuff universal instead of "maybe"
2024-06-07 12:25:38	rcf	^
2024-06-07 12:25:54	Foxboron	Apple is doing an amazing job on proper security features, Windows is lagging behind, Linux is.. well
2024-06-07 12:25:57	Foxboron	Worst in it's class
2024-06-07 12:26:27	rcf	The point is that if it's a hardware module... is it really worse than something soldered on? 
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2024-06-07 12:26:49	rcf	Not really. But from the software side, it's a massive improvement. 
2024-06-07 12:26:50	Foxboron	I can't tell
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2024-06-07 12:27:11	Foxboron	And then you need to consider things like this: https://mkukri.xyz/2024/06/01/tpm-gpio-fail.html
2024-06-07 12:27:13	@phrik	Title: TPM GPIO fail: How bad OEM firmware ruins TPM security (at mkukri.xyz)
2024-06-07 12:27:30	rcf	Foxboron: my only complaint in this channel is when it's not available by default. 
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2024-06-07 12:27:43	rcf	cheapskate OEM bastards 
2024-06-07 12:27:44	Foxboron	rcf: what isn't available by default?
2024-06-07 12:27:49	rcf	Foxboron: TPM 2.0 
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2024-06-07 12:28:20	rcf	This motherboard provides the header for it, and a shitty firmware implementation of <2.0, but not the Real Thing™ which is hardly expensive. 
2024-06-07 12:28:31	Foxboron	Ah
2024-06-07 12:28:41	demonicm1niac1	i was impressed when i saw the first benches of the win11 auto sandboxing feature when forcing install on < 8th gen unsupported hardware
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2024-06-07 12:28:53	demonicm1niac1	with like 40% less for anything running in the pseudo sandbox
2024-06-07 12:29:00	demonicm1niac1	at least 8th gen was only 20% less
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2024-06-07 12:31:17	rcf	Foxboron: I'm trying to reserve the personal attacks on the TPM as a concept to #aot nowadays. Here, I just want someone to be able to install a version of Windows that will be supported going forward, and then dual-boot with Arch using UEFI with secure boot. Which means eventually I'll be recommending your software. 
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2024-06-07 12:32:19	Foxboron	rcf: :)
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2024-06-07 13:19:00	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-06-07 13:19:00	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-06-07 13:42:31	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-06-07 13:30:31	_xRichard__	rcf: u rock man ! :) thank u thank u thank u
2024-06-07 13:32:59	rcf	_xRichard__: as long as your system works 
2024-06-07 13:42:32	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-06-07 13:43:54	_xRichard__	rcf: yeap im installing the steam and lol now. only i have to left is: `sudo pacman -S grub` for reinstalling right ? all set
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2024-06-07 13:46:23	rcf	_xRichard__: you will have to reinstall grub 
2024-06-07 13:47:13	_xRichard__	yeah; wont that command reinstall succesfully ?
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2024-06-07 13:48:54	rcf	_xRichard__: see the arch wiki page for more detail 
2024-06-07 13:49:12	_xRichard__	k man tnx a lot, god bless u. have a nice day. im out
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2024-06-07 14:45:31	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-06-07 14:33:34	_xRichard__	i get this warning after `grub-mkconfig` >> Warning: os-prober will not be executed to detect other bootable partitions.
2024-06-07 14:35:11	_xRichard__	did not try to boot after it tho, it might be working with dual now. tmp and secure both disabled (open for any OS logic ?) for detect both, all correct ?
2024-06-07 14:39:20	glitsj16	_xRichard__: the os-prober warning is intentional; see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Detecting_other_operating_systems
2024-06-07 14:39:21	@phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-07 14:40:39	cloudowind	os probing didnt really helped me in multiple instances i had to manually add to grub config that i shouldnt supposed to touch 
2024-06-07 14:41:14	cloudowind	macbooknot the config we are generating from where we supposed to do the changes but on the one that is generated that is in the boot folder:/
2024-06-07 14:41:35	glitsj16	_xRichard__: I haven't been following your thread, but for dual booting it seems a good thing to enable (as per that wiki page)
2024-06-07 14:42:37	_xRichard__	yeah lets try if i cant solve it u will see me again :)
2024-06-07 14:45:11	demonicm1niac1	Earnestly: since you did the find alternative to locate for speed - have you looked at plocate? looks frigging awesome
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2024-06-07 14:48:00	_xRichard__	yeap its only booting into Arch
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2024-06-07 14:48:57	Earnestly	demonicm1niac1: To be fair, I eventually got an SSD which is now "fast enough" to just brute force it. Although I have probably arranged things so I know more or less where things are; the slowest thing for me is running grep -Fr for which I might need a kind of search-engine style tool that indexes content
2024-06-07 14:49:15	glitsj16	_xRichard__: check that wiki page, seems like you do need the os-prober
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2024-06-07 14:50:25	_xRichard__	i commented out and its : false, let me restart again and check the bios
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2024-06-07 14:50:31	Earnestly	demonicm1niac1: I suppose a bit like baloo or so
2024-06-07 14:51:03	demonicm1niac1	Earnestly: https://plocate.sesse.net/
2024-06-07 14:51:04	@phrik	Title: plocate, a much faster locate (at plocate.sesse.net)
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2024-06-07 14:51:37	Earnestly	demonicm1niac1: Half the db size is a good improvement
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2024-06-07 14:51:47	Earnestly	> trigrams
2024-06-07 14:51:58	Earnestly	Yeah seems nice
2024-06-07 14:52:01	demonicm1niac1	and 1/200th the execution time
2024-06-07 14:52:44	demonicm1niac1	*1/2000th
2024-06-07 14:52:50	Earnestly	Yeah that's the trigram magic
2024-06-07 14:53:02	Earnestly	So the final search space is much smaller
2024-06-07 14:53:20	demonicm1niac1	was running find here only myself on just nvme even but on large subdirectories it gets kinda slow even on nvme
2024-06-07 14:53:44	Earnestly	demonicm1niac1: As usual, a good article by cox on this: https://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp4.html
2024-06-07 14:53:45	@phrik	Title: Regular Expression Matching with a Trigram Index (at swtch.com)
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2024-06-07 17:33:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-06-07 14:54:38	demonicm1niac1	neat
2024-06-07 14:57:06	demonicm1niac1	makes sense and the added benefit is that you can use the sub trigram "bucket" checks on multiple threads
2024-06-07 14:57:24	demonicm1niac1	almost a bit like a mergesort + bucketsort
2024-06-07 14:57:30	_xRichard__	first it try to dual boot or boot into Arch its black screen than i restart its booting into Arch i cant see win in grub menu
2024-06-07 14:58:56	glitsj16	_xRichard__: did you install the os-prober package and regenerate your grub cfg?
2024-06-07 14:59:14	Earnestly	demonicm1niac1: But I may need something more like: https://www.recoll.org/
2024-06-07 14:59:14	@phrik	Title: Recoll (at www.recoll.org)
2024-06-07 14:59:39	glitsj16	_xRichard__: instructions on the wiki page are pretty straightforward
2024-06-07 15:02:33	_xRichard__	oh yeah that one missing; now it detected tnx
2024-06-07 15:03:04	glitsj16	_xRichard__: welcome
2024-06-07 15:10:44	_xRichard__	strange but is black screen stil when both ssd are connected. but when i remove win ssd i see windows in grub menu. 
2024-06-07 15:10:56	_xRichard__	is it .. well, we forget to add the disk in fstab ??
2024-06-07 15:11:36	⚡ 	virtualsid mutters
2024-06-07 15:11:54	virtualsid	stupid wifi won't reconnect automagically on boot. Good reason to switch back to iwd from wpa_supplicant
2024-06-07 15:13:11	glitsj16	_xRichard__: could be, but that's probably something you discussed before I got in
2024-06-07 15:13:42	glitsj16	hi virtualsid, why did you go back to wpa_supplicant?
2024-06-07 15:14:36	virtualsid	glitsj16: this package 'miraclecast' needed it. But it doesn't work how I want, so no need for it anymore.
2024-06-07 15:14:36	_xRichard__	glitsj16: well its 2 seperated ssd in second ssd windows installed im in first one now Arch. its BIOS system. h310m-k motherboard.
2024-06-07 15:16:29	glitsj16	virtualsid: well, too bad that didn't work out, but being able to going back to iwd is a win
2024-06-07 15:17:24	glitsj16	_xRichard__: can you re-paste your fstab?
2024-06-07 15:19:20	_xRichard__	glitsj16: https://bpa.st/3ODA
2024-06-07 15:19:21	@phrik	Title: View paste 3ODA (at bpa.st)
2024-06-07 15:19:33	virtualsid	okay, turning iwd back on was easier than I expected. Had the web page up, and was running through the commands... while reading, I noticed my wifi had reconnected as soon as I re-enabled iwd.service ;)
2024-06-07 15:19:38	virtualsid	*restart
2024-06-07 15:21:17	_xRichard__	glitsj16: i have to reinstall the grup and i did with `pacman -S grub` and re-conf* the grub. maybe i did not launch `grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sdX` is that missing on re-install ?
2024-06-07 15:22:54	_xRichard__	also i did not launch this command either `sudo update-grub`
2024-06-07 15:23:44	glitsj16	_xRichard__: I'm afraid I'm very bad with Windows/Linux dual boot; better wait for someone who actually knows what you need/can do before I help you break things
2024-06-07 15:24:23	glitsj16	sorry about that
2024-06-07 15:24:44	_xRichard__	no worries at all
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2024-06-07 16:01:45	susi	update-grub and i386-pc target? is this even Arch...
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2024-06-07 16:21:39	teraflops	susi: it is for old BIOS MBR systems
2024-06-07 16:22:01	teraflops	and update-grub I think is something from the AUR
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2024-06-07 16:22:36	Scimmia	It's a Debianism
2024-06-07 16:22:45	teraflops	yes
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2024-06-07 19:53:36	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1458 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1457 regular)
2024-06-07 18:12:09	apocalyptech	Hey all -- kind of a Dear Lazyweb moment here, but I've been thinking I should really start playing with Wayland, but what's holding me back is I've been using icewm for like 20 years now and my desired window manager featureset has definitely become "works just like icewm"
2024-06-07 18:13:13	apocalyptech	Is there a Wayland compositor out there which closely models "traditional" functionality like that?  Specifically what I want is something that'll, like, let me set windows to "occupy all" virt desktops, assign layers ("on top") for windows, have a traditional taskbar+clock+launch-icons, etc
2024-06-07 18:13:57	apocalyptech	In addition to focus-follows-mouse and raise-on-focus, which I know are super unpopular use modes, but I sorely miss them whenever I have to use a system which doesn't support 'em
2024-06-07 18:18:35	jl2	Hi, when I build mission-center (writen in rust) I get a linker error: http://0x0.st/XbMK.txt
2024-06-07 18:19:37	jl2	I have already tried deleting the build dir, .cargo/registry, "-Clinker=clang" and "-Clink-arg=-fuse-ld=lld"
2024-06-07 18:21:12	jl2	anybody have other ideas?
2024-06-07 18:24:08	another|	rustup updated?
2024-06-07 18:24:35	Namarrgon	Anything relevant in the AUR comments?
2024-06-07 18:28:31	jl2	another|: it's as old as my install, a couple of days
2024-06-07 18:28:42	jl2	Namarrgon: it works for the other devs, so no
2024-06-07 18:28:54	Namarrgon	The other devs?
2024-06-07 18:31:30	jl2	Well I just looked, a aur comment suggests to use 'CFLAGS+=" -ffat-lto-objects"', but it doesn't help, also after wiping the build dir
2024-06-07 18:32:12	jl2	Namarrgon: the other people that work on the project
2024-06-07 18:32:35	Namarrgon	Are they using up-to-date vanilla arch and this -git PKGBUILD?
2024-06-07 18:33:17	jl2	nope, that's why I'm asking here
2024-06-07 18:33:38	Namarrgon	...
2024-06-07 18:34:00	jl2	ok, you're right, could've been comunicated better :/
2024-06-07 18:34:35	Scimmia	building fine with the added cflag
2024-06-07 18:34:51	Namarrgon	Are you building in a chroot?
2024-06-07 18:35:07	Scimmia	I am, they're obviously not if they're using rustup
2024-06-07 18:36:21	jl2	if you mean with makepkg, which builds in a chroot, yes
2024-06-07 18:36:37	Scimmia	jl2: no, it doesn't
2024-06-07 18:36:46	Scimmia	failure in package(), though
2024-06-07 18:37:06	Scimmia	Oh, the cflag needed there as well
2024-06-07 18:37:47	jl2	well my error is in build. do you get a similar error like me without the flag?
2024-06-07 18:37:51	Scimmia	yes
2024-06-07 18:40:21	jl2	fixed it, it didn't apply correctly by running "CFLAG=whatever makepkg"
2024-06-07 18:41:06	Scimmia	of course not, the script sets CFLAGS itself
2024-06-07 18:42:31	jl2	nice to know, there's no way to change this behavior? I'd like to have them as environment variables, so the variables also get applied when I run cargo
2024-06-07 18:43:56	another|	do you want to develop this application?
2024-06-07 18:45:13	topcat001	predicament: Ventoy has been updated for the latest arch iso.
2024-06-07 18:45:38	jl2	I already do, but I don't maintain the arch ports, I just do some ocassional MRs
2024-06-07 18:47:04	topcat001	(or at least the May iso. I should test the June one :))
2024-06-07 18:47:20	jl2	Thx anyway, Scimmia and Namarrgon
2024-06-07 19:33:37	printfdebugging1	Hi, I was compiling libreoffice, and my system suddenly crashed (all the running programs closed) where should I check the logs?? (note that xorg didn't crash, just all the programs)
2024-06-07 19:34:16	mpan	printfdebugging1: maybe OOM killer kicked in.  See the journal.
2024-06-07 19:34:37	Namarrgon	Why are you compiling libreoffice?
2024-06-07 19:35:25	printfdebugging1	Namarrgon: I am a Contributor!!! working on a GSoC project ;)
2024-06-07 19:37:20	Edu4rdSHL	!give printfdebugging1 journal
2024-06-07 19:37:21	@phrik	printfdebugging1: journalctl -b |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2024-06-07 19:37:24	Edu4rdSHL	Oh
2024-06-07 19:37:28	Edu4rdSHL	!aw journal
2024-06-07 19:37:29	@phrik	Edu4rdSHL: Journal - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Journal
2024-06-07 19:37:36	Edu4rdSHL	There are the logs
2024-06-07 19:37:40	printfdebugging1	Yes, it was oomkiller.
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2024-06-07 19:57:09	teraflops	printfdebugging1: how much ram do you have there in the build machine?
2024-06-07 19:57:38	printfdebugging1	teraflops: 32G, but with 7950x (16cores)
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2024-06-07 19:58:00	another|	Use less threads
2024-06-07 19:58:02	demonicm1niac1	so you built with -j32 i assume
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2024-06-07 20:00:03	printfdebugging1	But that would take hours then. I will add more ram.
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2024-06-07 20:00:19	printfdebugging1	That  way it will be once and for all. Plus I will try zram.
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2024-06-07 20:02:05	BrainDamage	if the buildsystem is sane, you'd only need to do a full build once
2024-06-07 20:02:11	BrainDamage	after it's just the incremental changes
2024-06-07 20:02:22	demonicm1niac1	are you building in /tmp/ perchance?
2024-06-07 20:02:50	printfdebugging1	It's a C++ database, and I work with color header files, all other files depend on those files. It's a BrainDamage without a fast computer like I have.
2024-06-07 20:03:04	printfdebugging1	s/database/codebase/g
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2024-06-07 20:29:34	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-06-07 20:29:34	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1459 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1458 regular)
2024-06-07 18:12:09	apocalyptech	Hey all -- kind of a Dear Lazyweb moment here, but I've been thinking I should really start playing with Wayland, but what's holding me back is I've been using icewm for like 20 years now and my desired window manager featureset has definitely become "works just like icewm"
2024-06-07 18:13:13	apocalyptech	Is there a Wayland compositor out there which closely models "traditional" functionality like that?  Specifically what I want is something that'll, like, let me set windows to "occupy all" virt desktops, assign layers ("on top") for windows, have a traditional taskbar+clock+launch-icons, etc
2024-06-07 18:13:57	apocalyptech	In addition to focus-follows-mouse and raise-on-focus, which I know are super unpopular use modes, but I sorely miss them whenever I have to use a system which doesn't support 'em
2024-06-07 18:18:35	jl2	Hi, when I build mission-center (writen in rust) I get a linker error: http://0x0.st/XbMK.txt
2024-06-07 18:19:37	jl2	I have already tried deleting the build dir, .cargo/registry, "-Clinker=clang" and "-Clink-arg=-fuse-ld=lld"
2024-06-07 18:21:12	jl2	anybody have other ideas?
2024-06-07 18:24:08	another|	rustup updated?
2024-06-07 18:24:35	Namarrgon	Anything relevant in the AUR comments?
2024-06-07 18:28:31	jl2	another|: it's as old as my install, a couple of days
2024-06-07 18:28:42	jl2	Namarrgon: it works for the other devs, so no
2024-06-07 18:28:54	Namarrgon	The other devs?
2024-06-07 18:31:30	jl2	Well I just looked, a aur comment suggests to use 'CFLAGS+=" -ffat-lto-objects"', but it doesn't help, also after wiping the build dir
2024-06-07 18:32:12	jl2	Namarrgon: the other people that work on the project
2024-06-07 18:32:35	Namarrgon	Are they using up-to-date vanilla arch and this -git PKGBUILD?
2024-06-07 18:33:17	jl2	nope, that's why I'm asking here
2024-06-07 18:33:38	Namarrgon	...
2024-06-07 18:34:00	jl2	ok, you're right, could've been comunicated better :/
2024-06-07 18:34:35	Scimmia	building fine with the added cflag
2024-06-07 18:34:51	Namarrgon	Are you building in a chroot?
2024-06-07 18:35:07	Scimmia	I am, they're obviously not if they're using rustup
2024-06-07 18:36:21	jl2	if you mean with makepkg, which builds in a chroot, yes
2024-06-07 18:36:37	Scimmia	jl2: no, it doesn't
2024-06-07 18:36:46	Scimmia	failure in package(), though
2024-06-07 18:37:06	Scimmia	Oh, the cflag needed there as well
2024-06-07 18:37:47	jl2	well my error is in build. do you get a similar error like me without the flag?
2024-06-07 18:37:51	Scimmia	yes
2024-06-07 18:40:21	jl2	fixed it, it didn't apply correctly by running "CFLAG=whatever makepkg"
2024-06-07 18:41:06	Scimmia	of course not, the script sets CFLAGS itself
2024-06-07 18:42:31	jl2	nice to know, there's no way to change this behavior? I'd like to have them as environment variables, so the variables also get applied when I run cargo
2024-06-07 18:43:56	another|	do you want to develop this application?
2024-06-07 18:45:13	topcat001	predicament: Ventoy has been updated for the latest arch iso.
2024-06-07 18:45:38	jl2	I already do, but I don't maintain the arch ports, I just do some ocassional MRs
2024-06-07 18:47:04	topcat001	(or at least the May iso. I should test the June one :))
2024-06-07 18:47:20	jl2	Thx anyway, Scimmia and Namarrgon
2024-06-07 19:33:37	printfdebugging1	Hi, I was compiling libreoffice, and my system suddenly crashed (all the running programs closed) where should I check the logs?? (note that xorg didn't crash, just all the programs)
2024-06-07 19:34:16	mpan	printfdebugging1: maybe OOM killer kicked in.  See the journal.
2024-06-07 19:34:37	Namarrgon	Why are you compiling libreoffice?
2024-06-07 19:35:25	printfdebugging1	Namarrgon: I am a Contributor!!! working on a GSoC project ;)
2024-06-07 19:37:20	Edu4rdSHL	!give printfdebugging1 journal
2024-06-07 19:37:21	@phrik	printfdebugging1: journalctl -b |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2024-06-07 19:37:24	Edu4rdSHL	Oh
2024-06-07 19:37:28	Edu4rdSHL	!aw journal
2024-06-07 19:37:29	@phrik	Edu4rdSHL: Journal - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Journal
2024-06-07 19:37:36	Edu4rdSHL	There are the logs
2024-06-07 19:37:40	printfdebugging1	Yes, it was oomkiller.
2024-06-07 19:57:09	teraflops	printfdebugging1: how much ram do you have there in the build machine?
2024-06-07 19:57:38	printfdebugging1	teraflops: 32G, but with 7950x (16cores)
2024-06-07 19:58:00	another|	Use less threads
2024-06-07 19:58:02	demonicm1niac1	so you built with -j32 i assume
2024-06-07 20:00:03	printfdebugging1	But that would take hours then. I will add more ram.
2024-06-07 20:00:19	printfdebugging1	That  way it will be once and for all. Plus I will try zram.
2024-06-07 20:02:05	BrainDamage	if the buildsystem is sane, you'd only need to do a full build once
2024-06-07 20:02:11	BrainDamage	after it's just the incremental changes
2024-06-07 20:02:22	demonicm1niac1	are you building in /tmp/ perchance?
2024-06-07 20:02:50	printfdebugging1	It's a C++ database, and I work with color header files, all other files depend on those files. It's a BrainDamage without a fast computer like I have.
2024-06-07 20:03:04	printfdebugging1	s/database/codebase/g
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2024-06-08 13:13:07	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-06-08 00:29:12	cek	`dnf install centos-release-ceph-quincy && dnf update`
2024-06-08 00:29:35	cek	^ anyone else having troubles with that?
2024-06-08 00:30:29	another|	you're using dnf on an Arch?
2024-06-08 00:30:41	Namarrgon	yeah, it seem to be broken: "command not found: dnf"
2024-06-08 00:31:23	another|	I mean you can. It's in extra. but....
2024-06-08 00:31:43	cek	wrong chan
2024-06-08 00:32:00	Metroid	fake Arch user found
2024-06-08 00:43:45	demonicm1niac1	it's just funny how they joined this specific channel to ask ^^ but i've had brainfarts like that too
2024-06-08 00:50:38	kode54	grr
2024-06-08 00:50:45	kode54	I hate bluetooth sound devices
2024-06-08 00:50:55	kode54	how do I permanently disable headset mode with pipewire?
2024-06-08 00:51:04	kode54	I just want output only
2024-06-08 00:59:38	intelfx	noticed that llvm is stuck on 17.x while upstream has 18.1.7 now and this seems to be breaking certain rust tests
2024-06-08 00:59:48	intelfx	wonder what's the holdup?
2024-06-08 01:07:45	demonicm1niac1	intelfx: sadly it has become very complex with llvm as it is the backbone for so many things, especially mesa/vulkan/opencl/blender/spirv/etcpp
2024-06-08 01:08:19	intelfx	is there something specific that's broken?
2024-06-08 01:15:13	demonicm1niac1	intelfx: i am not sure about llvm18 not an arch dev but i know llvm17 was in testing for a while and came late because of mesa issues with it
2024-06-08 01:15:21	demonicm1niac1	or rather some mesa components having issues with it
2024-06-08 01:19:43	intelfx	I wonder is there a good venue where I can poke a maintainer about that, less formally than a mail to arch-general@ or an issue against the relevant package?
2024-06-08 01:22:05	gromit	intelfx: not sure, you can ofc open an issue and offer your help 
2024-06-08 01:22:38	gromit	But I think the issue is more of structural nature that people need to create versioned packages etc. 
2024-06-08 01:23:01	intelfx	you mean just organization of a mass rebuild?
2024-06-08 01:23:31	gromit	intelfx: no right now we just have the clang/llvm package and not something like clang17 like i.e. electron does it 
2024-06-08 01:23:43	intelfx	ah
2024-06-08 01:23:49	intelfx	that implies there is a need for e.g. clang17
2024-06-08 01:23:57	intelfx	which is exactly what I was asking about
2024-06-08 01:24:27	gromit	intelfx: yeah as it was said above some projects need time to catch up
2024-06-08 01:25:43	intelfx	yeah right, it's just, to offer any help I'd like to know where it is needed :-)
2024-06-08 01:25:54	intelfx	so I'm assuming there is no list of such projects anywhere
2024-06-08 01:27:18	demonicm1niac1	there are public things for rebuilds for say ruby or python etc i remember which stuff is still blocking it etc and milestones to be reached but that's pre migration i don't know where stuff is now
2024-06-08 01:27:44	demonicm1niac1	intelfx: https://archlinux.org/todo/
2024-06-08 01:27:46	intelfx	I checked the (public) todo lists at https://archlinux.org/todo/, but there does not seem to be anything for llvm
2024-06-08 01:27:46	@phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Todo Lists (at archlinux.org)
2024-06-08 01:28:37	intelfx	so I can just run my rebuilder against the entire rev-dep chain of llvm &co -- was just wondering if anyone knows anything more specific than that
2024-06-08 01:29:43	demonicm1niac1	technically building might not be enough if the issue is in specific mesa features failing or spirv failing or such on one graphics architecture
2024-06-08 01:29:58	intelfx	yes I understand that
2024-06-08 01:30:00	demonicm1niac1	aside from todo there really is just arch dev as far as i know for those things
2024-06-08 01:30:18	intelfx	I meant that as in "see where exactly the problem(s) is/are"
2024-06-08 01:30:23	demonicm1niac1	yeah
2024-06-08 01:31:30	demonicm1niac1	mind it can also just be that there's no interest when nothing so far for maintainers failed on llvm17 and they have other things to do, after all arch is a very small volunteer team
2024-06-08 01:32:14	demonicm1niac1	since it's been marked out of date 3 months ago tho it's fair to ask for a reason directly
2024-06-08 01:32:36	intelfx	that's exactly what I was trying to do here, to see if I can help with anything :-)
2024-06-08 01:33:03	demonicm1niac1	yeah :) most maintainers don't hang around here often
2024-06-08 01:33:15	demonicm1niac1	ml definitely the place for that
2024-06-08 01:33:16	intelfx	apparently
2024-06-08 01:37:18	demonicm1niac1	intelfx: just one piece of advice i can think of - if you do want to retry building world with llvm18 to test make sure to do it in a container/vm enabling the staging repositories. so you don't go through all the work with core/testing only to find out something currently in staging fails and all for naught
2024-06-08 01:37:49	demonicm1niac1	also https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team
2024-06-08 01:37:50	@phrik	Title: Arch Testing Team - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-08 01:40:29	intelfx	you think there is going to be any sort of "spooky action at a distance" with unrelated deps influencing the results?
2024-06-08 01:40:38	intelfx	if I'm going to be rebuilding the entire rev-dep tree anyway
2024-06-08 01:43:24	arno_	Is there a way to point a domain name to 127.0.0.1 without root privileges (the equivalent of modifying /etc/hosts)?
2024-06-08 01:43:47	intelfx	LD_PRELOAD something intercepting gethostbyname and friends?
2024-06-08 01:45:05	intelfx	or rather getaddrinfo()
2024-06-08 01:46:53	arno_	Is there anything that doesn't require compiling? I'd like to stick with python or anything scripting.
2024-06-08 01:46:57	arno_	I have read about setting HOSTALIASES env to a custom host file, but I have not been able to make it work.
2024-06-08 01:47:11	MacGyver	arno_: https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/gethostbyname.3.html , search for "HOSTALIASES"
2024-06-08 01:47:12	@phrik	Title: gethostbyname(3) - Linux manual page (at man7.org)
2024-06-08 01:47:25	MacGyver	arno_: This may or may not work on your system.
2024-06-08 01:47:42	arno_	yes, this one. It doesn't work, indeed :-(
2024-06-08 01:48:25	intelfx	that's for _aliases_
2024-06-08 01:48:30	intelfx	and only for unqualified names
2024-06-08 01:48:59	intelfx	i.e. it's for mapping foo -> foo.bar
2024-06-08 01:49:21	demonicm1niac1	intelfx: i mean yeah i'd definitely rebuild world because revdep tree will still just catch direct and not say optional dependencies as such if you use pactree at least
2024-06-08 01:50:04	intelfx	I mean, I would definitely include optdepends when building the rev-dep tree :-)
2024-06-08 01:50:21	demonicm1niac1	fair then that should be enough :) i was just thinking pactree -r which only lists hard deps
2024-06-08 01:50:33	demonicm1niac1	not aware of any tooling that actually does do optdeps
2024-06-08 01:51:03	intelfx	I have my own tooling, actually
2024-06-08 01:51:37	demonicm1niac1	noice
2024-06-08 01:53:42	demonicm1niac1	oh actually nvm there is finddeps which does {make,opt}depends=()
2024-06-08 01:53:55	demonicm1niac1	in devtools
2024-06-08 02:49:27	tmoj	On https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE#Starting_Plasma it says "As of KDE Plasma 6, the Wayland session has matured enough to become the default and preferred one. The Xorg session is still supported, but will be removed in a future release." I've really enjoyed Wayland and would prefer to remove xorg right now. Is this possible to do yet? I see
2024-06-08 02:49:27	tmoj	xorg-xwayland is still required by plasma-workspace for plasma6. Also do we know when xorg will be removed?
2024-06-08 02:49:28	@phrik	Title: KDE - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-08 02:50:27	Namarrgon	Considering the amount of stuff still using X i won't disappear any time soon
2024-06-08 02:50:41	Namarrgon	*it won't
2024-06-08 02:59:47	⚡ 	gehidore vanishes Namarrgon
2024-06-08 04:32:39	cloudowind	apperently we can now run linux on m1 cpus now asashi seems succesfull , wouldnt take much for other distros be able to installed on macbook m1 arch. 
2024-06-08 04:32:44	CubeTheThird	Anyone know if there are known issues with input lag when using wine/proton?
2024-06-08 04:52:25	robloxxx	tmoj: you don't want to run x11 apps?
2024-06-08 05:44:46	h-erectus	why do i get this error when 'pacman -Syu'?  > :: installing expat (2.6.2-1) breaks dependency 'expat=2.5.0' required by lib32-expat 
2024-06-08 05:46:39	sheep	did you enable the multilib repo? the current version of lib32-expat in multilib is 2.6.2-1
2024-06-08 05:46:40	h-erectus	lib32-expat required by lib32-fontconfig required by lib32-cairo required by lib32-gtk2 required by lib32-libdbusmenu-gtk2 required by lib32-libappindicator-gtk2 required by None!
2024-06-08 05:46:50	h-erectus	what's going on?
2024-06-08 05:51:05	Scimmia	what's going on is that you're not removing old, orphaned packages
2024-06-08 05:51:18	Scimmia	in addition to the problem sheep mentioned
2024-06-08 05:51:39	h-erectus	sheep: i don't think i enabled multi-lib.
2024-06-08 05:51:57	Scimmia	those packages are all from multilib
2024-06-08 05:51:59	sheep	you need to either enable multilib or remove all of your lib32 packages
2024-06-08 05:52:11	h-erectus	how to remove them?
2024-06-08 05:52:30	Scimmia	you don't know how to uninstall a package?
2024-06-08 05:52:43	h-erectus	-Rs
2024-06-08 05:53:17	h-erectus	so, i guess, i go to the biggest daddy of the lib32s, and -Rs there
2024-06-08 05:53:32	sheep	try starting with lib32-libappindicator-gtk2
2024-06-08 05:54:01	h-erectus	yes.  but, first, how to know if i didn't enable multilib?
2024-06-08 05:54:11	sheep	check /etc/pacman.conf
2024-06-08 05:54:40	sheep	if it's enabled, there should be a line that is just [multilib]
2024-06-08 05:54:47	sheep	with no #
2024-06-08 05:54:49	h-erectus	not enabled.  commented out.
2024-06-08 05:55:02	Scimmia	but it *was* enabled at one time
2024-06-08 05:55:14	kode54	did someone accidentally replace their pacman.conf with the .pacnew file without editing it
2024-06-08 05:55:25	h-erectus	Scimmia: dunno.  i had steam installed once.
2024-06-08 05:58:33	rcf	That would have required multilib 
2024-06-08 06:00:49	demonicm1niac1	if you ever want to use proton without steam tho it's a smart idea to keep steam-native-runtime installed even if you don't use steam
2024-06-08 07:22:31	eson123	question right now i have 16G of RAM so should i make my swap partition 16G ? since iirc, when i suspend, my os will save all i have i have in my RAM to swap
2024-06-08 07:23:04	gehidore	No
2024-06-08 07:23:16	gehidore	Gods I wish that mindset would die already
2024-06-08 07:23:38	gehidore	eson123: no
2024-06-08 07:23:43	eson123	no idea why i am always disconnected :/
2024-06-08 07:25:00	gehidore	If you're hibernating the kernel is going to discard and compress the image with a 2/5 ram target size, so anything above that is probably extra but also not going to hurt you. 16G is a waste however.
2024-06-08 07:36:35	gehidore	well that was fun
2024-06-08 07:49:56	pkt	eheh
2024-06-08 07:56:02	demonicm1niac1	gehidore: to be fair noone can know how much swap they're already using before suspending to ram. while obviously it discards all caches and dentries etcpp it is possible (if they have a large enough swap) that their suspend image could be actual ram size. the guideline tho is stupid and should be "check your worst case/expected usage scenario"
2024-06-08 08:41:58	rarebird15	Hi all. I'm trying to set up screen, the terminal multiplexer I use, to start on every shell. I looked at the arch wiki page for screen: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNU_Screen, and section 3.5 shows instructions that are supposed to make this work, but when I try them, I end up with the same thing showing on every terminal I open, which is not what I want. Can anyone tell me how to make it
2024-06-08 08:41:58	rarebird15	work 
2024-06-08 08:42:04	rarebird15	so it just starts screen on every shell?
2024-06-08 08:46:46	gehidore	So we change the standard because of some extreme edge case where someone has managed to swap hard enough that it's not discardable and the system is still stable enough to hibernate? At that point the swap size becomes potentially limitless
2024-06-08 08:48:28	gehidore	I do get your point demonicm1niac1, the whole metric is potentially junk from many angles 
2024-06-08 09:00:04	robloxxx	rarebird15: you want to start e.g. 15 bash and 15 screen?
2024-06-08 09:02:20	rarebird15	robloxxx: not sure. When I open bash, whether through a TTY or terminal, I want it tto start screen.
2024-06-08 09:02:30	robloxxx	rarebird15: -x makes screen share the same session
2024-06-08 09:30:22	rcf	gehidore: it is potentially limitless, and it’s worse if you follow the modern advice on swap to maximize caching effectiveness. The proper solution that would set a hard boundary would be a separate hibernate file for RAM only, but Linux is allergic to good ideas. 
2024-06-08 09:32:14	rcf	Though it is a rebuttal to the “WELL ACKSHUALLY SWAP ISN’T JUST RAM REPLACEMENT” people because in the case of hibernation it literally is that. 
2024-06-08 09:54:42	BrainDamage	the real issue that hybernation shouldn't use swap space but aways a dedicated area
2024-06-08 10:02:29	robloxxx	swap partition is for hibernation
2024-06-08 10:53:37	noumenon	<noumenon> I just updated Arch, and now I'm getting: "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named" for some module
2024-06-08 10:53:37	noumenon	<noumenon> naturally I tried reinstalling it with pip, but then I got: "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'pip'"
2024-06-08 10:53:37	noumenon	<noumenon> there's probably some obvious reason for this; what is it?
2024-06-08 10:59:14	malcom	just created my first aur https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/img2irc
2024-06-08 10:59:18	@phrik	Title: AUR (en) - img2irc (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-06-08 10:59:31	MrElendig	noumenon: rebuild all your python packages from aur
2024-06-08 10:59:40	MrElendig	noumenon: and if you used pip directly: my condolances
2024-06-08 10:59:49	malcom	python3 -m ensurepip
2024-06-08 10:59:49	MrElendig	noumenon: also remake any venvs you might have
2024-06-08 11:00:09	MrElendig	no, just no
2024-06-08 11:00:25	malcom	sooner or later there will a python package that isnt in the aur
2024-06-08 11:00:41	malcom	and youll have to just use <= 3.11 anyway
2024-06-08 11:00:45	MrElendig	malcom: that is when you use a venv, or make a package
2024-06-08 11:01:00	MrElendig	and if you need older than 3.11, containers
2024-06-08 11:01:06	MrElendig	or pyenv, but containers are nicer
2024-06-08 11:01:24	malcom	nice way to fill up your disk !
2024-06-08 11:01:54	MrElendig	doesn't have much overhead when it comes to disk space
2024-06-08 11:02:20	MrElendig	50-500mib depending on the base image you use
2024-06-08 11:03:16	malcom	fair enough, always an issue on my vps with only 40gb disk though
2024-06-08 11:04:13	MrElendig	best solution is not not have >1 python version installed of course
2024-06-08 11:04:44	MrElendig	and just use the latest that arch ships
2024-06-08 11:35:27	noumenon	MrElendig: yeah, I just had to remake the venv
2024-06-08 12:07:09	m_m_	Hi. After last update my laptop does not recognize the integrated screen anymore. HDMI works well though
2024-06-08 12:09:27	m_m_	I am using the last nvidia driver, and am not using the switch between my intel and nvidia card
2024-06-08 12:10:26	noumenon	m_m_: just carry a monitor with you wherever you go
2024-06-08 12:11:12	m_m_	yes, and a power plan so I can have 220V everywhere
2024-06-08 12:11:55	m_m_	I shoud have precised, I have output on the laptop screen but not with X
2024-06-08 12:12:05	m_m_	I have access to my tty as usual
2024-06-08 12:13:30	m_m_	I think it's the nvidia driver that is buggy, but I don't know how to check..
2024-06-08 12:13:57	noumenon	soon we'll have nuclear reactors the size of a phone, just wait a decade or two
2024-06-08 12:14:28	noumenon	"the power of the sun...in the palm of my hand"
2024-06-08 12:14:54	MrElendig	physically impossible
2024-06-08 12:15:23	MrElendig	unless you are talking about the old briefcase phones
2024-06-08 12:15:30	noumenon	I believe that's been said about a lot of things, heh
2024-06-08 12:16:42	MrElendig	noumenon: can't get around the minimum mass needed for criticality
2024-06-08 12:17:40	noumenon	we'll use turbo encabulators with hydrocoptic marzlevanes to get around that
2024-06-08 12:18:01	noumenon	add some magnets, and voilà
2024-06-08 12:18:11	MrElendig	m_m_: what hardware is this?
2024-06-08 12:18:20	m_m_	strange error also when using pacman : https://bpa.st/JECA
2024-06-08 12:18:22	@phrik	Title: View paste JECA (at bpa.st)
2024-06-08 12:18:45	m_m_	MrElendig: NVIDIA Corporation GP106M [GeForce GTX 1060 Mobile] on an MSI gp63
2024-06-08 12:18:58	MrElendig	m_m_: that error is common when you murder pacman while it is updating/installing
2024-06-08 12:19:05	MrElendig	m_m_: or you run out of space
2024-06-08 12:19:14	MrElendig	reinstall the package that owns the files
2024-06-08 12:19:32	MrElendig	might want to -Qkk 1>/dev/null too
2024-06-08 12:19:52	m_m_	yes pacman crashed during the last update of this morning, but no critical package was implied, and I am running last kernel with last nvidia driver
2024-06-08 12:20:25	m_m_	-Qkk is clean
2024-06-08 12:20:48	MrElendig	reinstall all the packages that were being updated
2024-06-08 12:20:48	m_m_	except the error that I pointed in the paste... But that may not be a problem
2024-06-08 12:20:49	nullstring	"Arch Linux distribution support ONLY #
2024-06-08 12:20:51	nullstring	" 
2024-06-08 12:21:02	nullstring	do you guys support archlinuxarm in here?
2024-06-08 12:21:05	MrElendig	nullstring: no
2024-06-08 12:21:09	nullstring	their channel seems kinda dead :(
2024-06-08 12:21:11	nullstring	ok thanks
2024-06-08 12:21:16	MrElendig	nullstring: and neither does archlinux-arm, kinda
2024-06-08 12:21:34	nullstring	thats my whole point :X
2024-06-08 12:21:38	nullstring	maybe I need to stop using it
2024-06-08 12:21:49	MrElendig	their forum is slightly more active than irc
2024-06-08 12:21:59	nullstring	ok thx, I could try that
2024-06-08 12:22:09	MrElendig	but development is ..not great atm
2024-06-08 12:24:33	nullstring	MrElendig: any thoughts where I can get generic distrobox support?
2024-06-08 12:25:46	MrElendig	they are on telegram and matrix iirc
2024-06-08 12:26:13	MrElendig	don't know which is the most active though
2024-06-08 12:29:55	nullstring	really? where do you see that? I must've missed it
2024-06-08 12:30:43	MrElendig	pretty sure they have links on their homepage
2024-06-08 12:31:00	nullstring	ah duh
2024-06-08 12:31:01	nullstring	thx
2024-06-08 12:31:26	MrElendig	probably on the gh page too
2024-06-08 12:34:27	m_m_	https://bpa.st/5CXA may this "tainted kernel" be an error source? MrElendig I tried to check which package were involved in the upgrade but the pacman.log row has no informations about it (just binary data inserted avec the pacman -Syu invocation)
2024-06-08 12:34:28	@phrik	Title: View paste 5CXA (at bpa.st)
2024-06-08 12:34:56	MrElendig	check your xorg.log instead
2024-06-08 12:35:02	MrElendig	and kernel being tainted is normal
2024-06-08 12:35:56	MrElendig	e.g. loading a non-gpl2 module can mark it as tainted
2024-06-08 12:36:30	MrElendig	(like the nvidia driver...)
2024-06-08 12:37:08	m_m_	Yes I already checked Xorg.log, here are the EE lines https://bpa.st/BRKA . It complains about /usr/lib/libgbm.so.1 being empty, that seems suspicious. But I cannot find from which package this lib comes from
2024-06-08 12:37:10	@phrik	Title: View paste BRKA (at bpa.st)
2024-06-08 12:40:08	MrElendig	don't filter my EE, that hides the real error in many cases
2024-06-08 12:40:19	MrElendig	but as I already said: reinstall all the packages that were being updated
2024-06-08 12:40:46	MrElendig	usr/lib/libgbm.so.1 is owned by extra/mesa
2024-06-08 12:41:40	MrElendig	mesa being broken would explain the lvds not working, since it is most likely wired to the intel igp
2024-06-08 12:42:16	m_m_	how do you check this? "usr/lib/libgbm.so.1 is owned by extra/mesa". I used pacman -Qo but it says no package owns
2024-06-08 12:42:55	MrElendig	`man pacman`, see the -F flag
2024-06-08 12:43:18	MrElendig	you will probably end up with a bunch of "file already exists" errors, which you can solve by using --dbonly and then -S again
2024-06-08 12:43:42	m_m_	ok sorry, I should have rtfm :/ nice predicting for the "file already exists"
2024-06-08 12:44:21	m_m_	ok, let's reboot
2024-06-08 12:46:07	m_m_	Yes it was it! Thanks for the assistance MrElendig
2024-06-08 12:47:24	m_m_	Note to myself : lvcreate --snapshot vg0/rootfs before any pacman -S
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2024-06-08 17:22:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-06-08 17:22:13	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1446 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1445 regular)
2024-06-08 13:38:47	demonicm1niac1	rcf: i mean you can already do that tho. you can have a small swapfile for backing zswap and a larger swapfile to hibernate to and hibernation would enable the hibernation partition as a systemd-sleep hook say and resume hook would after waking up disable the swap device again
2024-06-08 13:40:47	malcom	anybody here into ansi/irc art? check out my project (and vote for it if you find it cool/useful :) https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/img2irc
2024-06-08 13:40:48	@phrik	Title: AUR (en) - img2irc (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-06-08 13:44:38	malcom	will do, but why do you say gui clients?
2024-06-08 13:48:51	Namarrgon	irc is just words, though
2024-06-08 13:49:40	malcom	well funnily enough, more colours are supported in terminal than gui clients
2024-06-08 13:50:03	malcom	theres xterm256color and 24bit in terminal, dont think many gui clients support that
2024-06-08 13:50:04	demonicm1niac1	mingdao: this is an ansi/irc art thing tho you can have it output an image to irc client as ascii art directly
2024-06-08 13:52:37	malcom	not ascii art, it uses halfblocks and quarterblocks + colours
2024-06-08 13:52:38	@phrik	Title: ASCII art - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2024-06-08 14:03:02	malcom	right
2024-06-08 14:37:03	kompowiec2	malcom: next step: voice chat https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/voirc-git ;)
2024-06-08 14:37:04	@phrik	Title: AUR (en) - voirc-git (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-06-08 14:43:25	malcom	lol i actually thought about the same thing, voice chat over ctcp
2024-06-08 14:47:54	kompowiec2	kvirc have own protocol which use DCC
2024-06-08 17:22:13	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-06-08 15:25:10	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-06-08 15:25:10	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-06-08 15:31:47	susi	kompowiec2: what is this avatar thing, some irccloud stuff?
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2024-06-08 15:32:38	SurfBlueCrab	I am using the system wide adblocker "hblock".  Does anyone knows what the best way to remove ads from youtube would be?  Would it be a plugin in google chrome or is there other ways?
2024-06-08 15:33:12	susi	to this day, I've been fine with uBlock Origin and its lists
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2024-06-08 15:38:50	espresso	^
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2024-06-08 15:41:15	Edu4rdSHL	THe best way is to pay for premium 
2024-06-08 15:41:17	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2024-06-08 15:42:16	susi	nah, you can have the good features by using Firefox on Android with uBO and splitting the windows, so that the browser stays on top
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2024-06-08 15:45:21	kompowiec2	susi: it's richard stallman, lol
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2024-06-08 15:45:49	susi	but is it a irccloud feature or what
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2024-06-08 15:46:06	susi	setting an avatar
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2024-06-08 15:56:35	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-06-08 15:56:35	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-06-08 16:02:04	SurfBlueCrab	Would it work to use the list of "uBlock Origin" with hblock?  I am concern about the security risk of having pluggin on chrome.
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2024-06-08 16:02:33	Namarrgon	How does hblock work? Is it just manipulating dns?
2024-06-08 16:03:02	demonicm1niac1	be aware that using a systemwide blocker you cannot easily disable per site/domain is a dangerous thing nowadays when many sites just check if you can connect/resolve a domain and fetch a 1 pixel image and if it fails they tell you "you can't do shit without disabling adblocker"
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2024-06-08 16:03:25	Murray7501	Namarrgon: what is hblock ? :)
2024-06-08 16:03:34	SurfBlueCrab	hblock put a list of server knows to host adds in your /etc/hosts file so it is totaly safe.
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2024-06-08 16:03:53	Namarrgon	yt serves the ads from the same servers as the content, you can't block the ads via dns.
2024-06-08 16:04:05	espresso	SurfBlueCrab: uBO uses a number of third-party lists which are often published elsewhere and have a range of objectives
2024-06-08 16:04:14	Murray7501	SurfBlueCrab: it just points them to 127.0.0.1 ? :)
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2024-06-08 16:04:28	SurfBlueCrab	yes point them to 127.
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2024-06-08 16:05:09	Murray7501	Namarrgon: usually people use ublock origin
2024-06-08 16:05:35	SurfBlueCrab	I like hblock, it is a linux package.  I made a script to enable/disable so it is easy to disable when I run into trouble.  There is a main list that you update + a personal allow/deny list.
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2024-06-08 16:05:47	Edu4rdSHL	Horrible
2024-06-08 16:05:50	Edu4rdSHL	Honestly
2024-06-08 16:05:59	SurfBlueCrab	Why horrible?
2024-06-08 16:06:01	Edu4rdSHL	Having a bunch of things in /etc/hosts seems ugly
2024-06-08 16:06:07	demonicm1niac1	SurfBlueCrab: sure but you have to disable the hosts entirely and not just for a subsite or even tab
2024-06-08 16:06:29	Murray7501	Edu4rdSHL: yeah I feel the same way, of course it is transparent what it blocks I guess :p
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2024-06-08 16:06:33	demonicm1niac1	you also cannot hover over elements and add/remove single domains for one url
2024-06-08 16:06:34	SurfBlueCrab	If you use hblock on a router, you can connect with a phone with no ads.
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2024-06-08 16:07:25	Murray7501	there was that anonymizing proxy I forget the name of
2024-06-08 16:07:33	ScribusP	tor?
2024-06-08 16:07:40	SurfBlueCrab	My only proble is like Namarrgon said youtube show its own ads.
2024-06-08 16:07:53	Edu4rdSHL	So, use Ublock Origin as mentioned
2024-06-08 16:07:54	Murray7501	ScribusP: tor is one idea but that is not what I was thinking
2024-06-08 16:08:26	SurfBlueCrab	is  Ublock Origin fully open source?  Is it safe?  I am always concern about security treats with pluggins.
2024-06-08 16:08:36	Edu4rdSHL	What if you search by yourself?
2024-06-08 16:08:40	Murray7501	ScribusP: privoxy ! :)
2024-06-08 16:08:43	Edu4rdSHL	But yes, it's opensource
2024-06-08 16:08:47	ScribusP	ah, yes
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2024-06-08 16:09:09	SurfBlueCrab	Is it hard to compile Ublock Origin yourself and install it under chrome?
2024-06-08 16:09:19	Edu4rdSHL	> What if you search by yourself?
2024-06-08 16:09:28	Murray7501	SurfBlueCrab: maybe its on aur even
2024-06-08 16:09:42	Edu4rdSHL	https://ublockorigin.com/
2024-06-08 16:09:43	@phrik	Title: uBlock Origin - Free, open-source ad content blocker. (at ublockorigin.com)
2024-06-08 16:09:59	Edu4rdSHL	There are links to the repo, build process and whatever you need
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2024-06-08 16:10:10	SurfBlueCrab	acutally there is a ublock-origin package in extra, anyone tried that?
2024-06-08 16:10:26	Edu4rdSHL	You didn't seems to read
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2024-06-08 16:10:42	Murray7501	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages?O=0&K=ublock
2024-06-08 16:10:43	@phrik	Title: AUR (en) - Packages (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-06-08 16:11:53	espresso	SurfBlueCrab: UBO has been around for years, would seem widely regarded as trustworthy, and I'm no exception there. fwiw.
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2024-06-08 16:13:34	Murray7501	espresso: yeah I use it myself
2024-06-08 16:13:38	SurfBlueCrab	I will try to investigate what the "ublock-origin" in extra is.  Not sure how it will install but I prefer something that has been compiled by the Arch Linux maintainer than to just install a precompiled package in chrome from there webstore.
2024-06-08 16:15:10	Murray7501	there is a current aur you can compile yourself, even look at the source first if you really want
2024-06-08 16:16:02	Murray7501	although I suppose you might not have the expertise to evaluate it yourself
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2024-06-08 16:17:37	espresso	SurfBlueCrab: 'pacman -Si ublock-origin' says it is a '(unpacked webextension)' and replaces 'chromium-ublock-origin'
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2024-06-08 16:23:16	SurfBlueCrab	I installed ublock-origin from extra.  I loaded it into chrome and seems to work.  Time will see if it disable youtube.
2024-06-08 16:23:26	SurfBlueCrab	Things seems to be working fine but there is an error warning:
2024-06-08 16:23:26	SurfBlueCrab	Manifest version 2 is deprecated, and support will be removed in 2024
2024-06-08 16:23:49	Murray7501	SurfBlueCrab: yeah I just tried it and got that too
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2024-06-08 16:24:25	Murray7501	SurfBlueCrab: I'm thinking the maintainer just needs to update it
2024-06-08 16:24:27	espresso	FYI, these also feature in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Browser_extensions#Content_blockers 
2024-06-08 16:24:28	@phrik	Title: Browser extensions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-08 16:24:34	demonicm1niac1	that's just google chrome - not sure if it will also affect chromium or if they find a way around it
2024-06-08 16:24:40	demonicm1niac1	Murray7501: no
2024-06-08 16:24:51	demonicm1niac1	Murray7501: that's google actively changing manifest disabling adblockers
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2024-06-08 16:25:09	SurfBlueCrab	:espresso oh thank I never saw that page
2024-06-08 16:25:21	Murray7501	demonicm1niac1: I get the same error in chromium though
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2024-06-08 16:26:16	demonicm1niac1	Murray7501: well yes it is just ungoogled chrome
2024-06-08 16:26:28	demonicm1niac1	still the same browser engine used for extensions overall
2024-06-08 16:27:42	SurfBlueCrab	I used to use chromium but I read an article some times ago where they say it would not sync with google services (like share bookmarks and setting with phone) so sadly I am now on chrome. it is the only non open source software on my system.
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2024-06-08 16:28:14	Murray7501	demonicm1niac1: and ublock origin still seem to work fine on youtube even though I got that error
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2024-06-08 16:29:13	demonicm1niac1	Murray7501: yes because it will be removed but isn't yet it's just a deprecated warning so far
2024-06-08 16:29:47	demonicm1niac1	Murray7501: only ublock origin lite works with manifest v3, ublock origin full won't because v3 limits what extensions can do
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2024-06-08 16:30:13	SurfBlueCrab	Beside the error, the ublock-origin package in extra seems like an nice option so far.
2024-06-08 16:30:31	Murray7501	demonicm1niac1: heh figures
2024-06-08 16:31:28	Murray7501	demonicm1niac1: though will ublock origin for firefox have that problem :)
2024-06-08 16:31:32	espresso	well there's still FF.. FOSS, with sync, ubo, and no manifest v3
2024-06-08 16:31:43	susi	SurfBlueCrab: you don't compile them browser addons, they are basically a package of javascript and json
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2024-06-08 16:31:54	demonicm1niac1	google is an AD company - they fought adblockers on youtube for a decade now getting ever stricter it's obvious they will at some point also use their position as biggest browser to simply prevent blocking ads
2024-06-08 16:32:00	Murray7501	espresso: that is what I was thinking
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2024-06-08 16:32:38	Murray7501	demonicm1niac1: I'm guessing they will make firefox more popular
2024-06-08 16:32:57	susi	https://old.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/1d49ud1/manifest_v2_phaseout_begins/
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2024-06-08 16:34:01	demonicm1niac1	ff implements v3 differently and has not yet committed to disabling v2 support anytime soon
2024-06-08 16:34:21	Murray7501	susi: so what is the tldr will ublock just stop blocking ads for some places or will it still work in firefox ?
2024-06-08 16:34:33	SurfBlueCrab	Thanks everyone for the tips :)
2024-06-08 16:34:46	demonicm1niac1	Murray7501: it will work the same in ff, it will lose features in chrome
2024-06-08 16:35:03	Murray7501	demonicm1niac1: good to know, thanks :)
2024-06-08 16:35:17	demonicm1niac1	and by extension in all webengine/bink based browsers
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2024-06-08 16:35:55	susi	Mozilla probably still gets about 80% of its money outta Google, so we'll see what happens...
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2024-06-08 16:36:54	demonicm1niac1	ff is at like 3% market share
2024-06-08 16:36:55	Murray7501	yeah what they really want is for people to pay for youtube without ads
2024-06-08 16:37:18	demonicm1niac1	would be nice if they get a boost from this but i don't foresee a large boost because many sites are essentially webengine only 
2024-06-08 16:37:36	demonicm1niac1	because we abolished following any standard a decade ago with every browser doing their own shit
2024-06-08 16:37:45	susi	and normies don't know a skit about this stuff
2024-06-08 16:37:49	demonicm1niac1	and you design/test/write for the largest share and ignore the small fry
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2024-06-08 16:40:09	Murray7501	I know I pay for max without ads, and I stay mostly away from regular tv cause of ads
2024-06-08 16:40:36	Murray7501	I dont feel like I use youtube enough to pay for ad free though
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2024-06-08 16:44:35	Murray7501	of course running several browsers is no big deal either
2024-06-08 16:44:51	susi	or just run Firefox
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2024-06-08 16:45:07	susi	I think there has been about 2 sites which I can't remember rn that have actually required a chromium browser
2024-06-08 16:45:13	Murray7501	susi: I use what works :)
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2024-06-08 16:45:18	susi	during my life-long firefoxing
2024-06-08 16:45:51	Murray7501	susi: funny enough there is a site I order meds from the only work in firefox :D
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2024-06-08 16:46:30	susi	those sites that claim to only work in <X> usually work anyways when you make em work
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2024-06-08 16:46:45	Murray7501	hmmm
2024-06-08 16:47:17	Murray7501	sounds like work to me :)
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2024-06-08 16:47:43	demonicm1niac1	susi: youtube was legitimately broken on youtube on and off for a long time - as was internet explorer before they moved to edge - but there's still ongoing discussion whether that was intentional or not, definitely went beyond faking useragent to fix though
2024-06-08 16:48:20	susi	I somewhat remember it, but I don't think it lasted for long?
2024-06-08 16:48:31	susi	for sure I didn't switch browsers back then, and I'm a daily youtuber
2024-06-08 16:48:49	Murray7501	for a really long time I only used Opera
2024-06-08 16:48:51	demonicm1niac1	i mean the site just became slow and cpu hogging and unresponsive it didn't flat out stop working
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2024-06-08 16:49:23	demonicm1niac1	dunno how long it lasted i don't visit websites in general when there's alternatives
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2024-06-08 16:49:38	Murray7501	they abandoned doing their own engine though
2024-06-08 16:50:35	demonicm1niac1	for me the www at least died with the formation of the whatwg and a "living standard" instead of versions and everybody implementing/rolling their own
2024-06-08 16:50:51	Murray7501	now I use chrome or chromium or firefox
2024-06-08 16:51:26	susi	if you use Firefox, why do you need others?
2024-06-08 16:51:57	Murray7501	I was told streaming only really worked in chrome, (netflix etc)
2024-06-08 16:52:24	demonicm1niac1	for a while firefox resisted a lot of the EME stuff so hires streaming only worked in chrome/ium indeed
2024-06-08 16:52:40	robloxxx	for me www died with excessive advertising and user tracking and their monetization
2024-06-08 16:53:49	demonicm1niac1	robloxxx: damn so in 1999 already huh
2024-06-08 16:54:03	robloxxx	demonicm1niac1: no
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2024-06-08 16:55:00	demonicm1niac1	tracking and dynamic ads is as old as the formal standardization of ecmascript6 as javascript
2024-06-08 16:56:04	robloxxx	google was cool in the 90s
2024-06-08 16:56:51	robloxxx	now they are just a privacy destroying advertising company
2024-06-08 16:57:28	robloxxx	google search engine is crap now
2024-06-08 16:57:35	Murray7501	yeah we sorely need a new search engine
2024-06-08 16:57:57	demonicm1niac1	you mean the 2 years google existed before they introduced adwords
2024-06-08 16:58:01	demonicm1niac1	1997 to 1999
2024-06-08 16:58:41	Murray7501	duckduckgo ? :)
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2024-06-08 17:04:25	demonicm1niac1	i miss webrings and yahoo directory of sites ordered by content type
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2024-06-08 17:04:57	robloxxx	ms copilot is cool in that way it shows the urls where it grabbed the info from (i hate myself)
2024-06-08 17:05:22	susi	Murray7501: that's not true
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2024-06-08 17:06:16	susi	streaming from Netflix etc works extremely fine on Firefox; there's this one thing, that Netflix - at least used to - offer better quality for Edge on Windows, Chrome on ChromeOS and Safari on MacOS
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2024-06-08 17:32:26	kompowiec2	15:46:05 <susi> setting an avatar
2024-06-08 17:32:26	kompowiec2	in irccloud you can set globally or locally
2024-06-08 17:32:43	kompowiec2	https://www.irccloud.com/faq#faq-avatars
2024-06-08 17:32:44	@phrik	Title: Frequently Answered Questions | IRCCloud (at www.irccloud.com)
2024-06-08 17:32:47	susi	okay, so it is an irccloud feature. that's what I asked
2024-06-08 17:32:52	susi	thanks
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2024-06-08 17:38:44	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL set its avatar on weechat
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2024-06-08 17:42:41	susi	Edu4rdSHL: nice circled E on purple background 👍
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2024-06-08 17:54:04	Edu4rdSHL	susi, :p
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2024-06-08 17:54:45	lmat	I am trying to install chessx on a new computer. It's installed on another computer, but on the new computer, `pacman -Syu chessx` says "target not found: chessx". It shows "Synchronizing package databases ...core... extra" but no community; is that a problem?
2024-06-08 17:55:36	lmat	Oh, it's AUR!! sorry!
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2024-06-08 22:22:27	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-06-08 22:22:27	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1464 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1463 regular)
2024-06-08 20:21:24	jl2	Hi, does anybody know how the scaling_governor and the energy_performance_preference depend/work together?
2024-06-08 20:21:53	jl2	with only scaling_governor it's quite simple, powersave = slow, performance = fast
2024-06-08 20:22:41	jl2	but how does this work with two values? Does one influence it more? why are there even two values in the first place?
2024-06-08 20:40:41	jl2	Ok, I think I got it: setting scaling_governor to performance (not powersave, the other (default) option) will not let me change the energy_perf_pref, even though from watching the freqs few changes
2024-06-08 20:42:17	jl2	So one can ignore the performance scaling_governor
2024-06-08 20:44:44	jl2	should this be noted should this be noted somewhere in the wiki?
2024-06-08 22:22:28	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-06-08 22:25:11	teraflops	I switched to power-profiles-daemon and it works fine
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2024-06-08 22:34:39	Edu4rdSHL	tuned is also good and compatible with apps that uses ppd
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2024-06-08 22:37:09	teraflops	yes
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2024-06-08 23:05:59	teraflops	the only downside here using tuned as drop-in replacement for ppd is that nvidia dgpu does not get suspended when not in use 
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2024-06-08 23:17:10	kode54	oh goody
2024-06-08 23:17:28	kode54	I found a bluez issue related to my Sony headphones failing to connect if I force wireplumber to A2DP-only
2024-06-08 23:17:30	kode54	https://github.com/bluez/bluez/issues/865
2024-06-08 23:17:41	kode54	only seems to affect 6.9 or 6.8
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2024-06-08 23:20:44	kode54	pulseaudio has even worse bluetooth support
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2024-06-08 23:20:57	kode54	it only supports SBR codec
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2024-06-08 23:21:17	kode54	all other codecs are dependent on gstreamer 1.26
2024-06-08 23:21:53	kode54	oops that isn't coming out any time soon
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2024-06-08 23:24:47	kode54	AAC support is dependent on this: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gstreamer/-/merge_requests/1172
2024-06-08 23:24:49	@phrik	Title: fdkaac: Add support for LATM/LOAS (!1172) · Merge requests · GStreamer / gstreamer · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
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2024-06-08 23:25:13	kode54	that's the latest version of a MR that was opened two years ago, but closed in favor of that one
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2024-06-08 23:25:50	teraflops	kode54: what do you mean by forcing wireplumber to a2dp only?
2024-06-08 23:26:06	kode54	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bluetooth_headset#Disable_PipeWire_HSP/HFP_profile
2024-06-08 23:26:08	@phrik	Title: Bluetooth headset - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-06-08 23:26:37	kode54	using that, it can't even find the A2DP profile
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2024-06-09 00:44:34	cloudowind	goodays/nights arch people 
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2024-06-09 00:52:00	Makarov	goood night bud !
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2024-06-09 01:11:15	shadowgod	hello are you all ? 
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2024-06-09 20:13:52	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-06-09 20:13:52	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1451 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1450 regular)
2024-06-09 03:35:42	tryh4rd	hi
2024-06-09 04:12:53	SurfBlueCrab	hi
2024-06-09 04:28:30	MortimerHoughton	hello
2024-06-09 04:28:46	MortimerHoughton	why are we saying hello in the support channel?
2024-06-09 04:39:55	zakros	on the AUR I know it's common practice to include a contact point but is using the comment section of the package page an acceptable point of contact
2024-06-09 04:41:58	zakros	!paste
2024-06-09 04:41:58	@phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-06-09 04:50:36	Scimmia	in general, yes, you should be able to use the comments section to contact the maintainer
2024-06-09 05:33:51	kode54	I tend to prefer comments over direct emails
2024-06-09 05:34:14	kode54	also, comments automatically go to subscribed users, which includes the maintainers
2024-06-09 06:17:33	rcf	Putting in a comment also makes it clear to other users what is going on. Reduces potential noise and might even offer them a solution if what you're sending is a patch or some other fix 
2024-06-09 06:22:10	cloudowind	indeed
2024-06-09 06:25:28	docvell	I have a question...I tried to format a 2TB SSD hard drive (external in a portable hard drive case), in the middle of it, it unmounts in the middle of it and then is not visible through 'disks" or 'gparted' the only way I make it visible again is if I unplug it and plug it in again.  Do I need to either put the drive in a case that has a power supply?
2024-06-09 06:26:04	rcf	docvell: what happens in the journal when it disappears? 
2024-06-09 06:26:28	docvell	how do I access the journal, I am new to Arch linux distros, (been using debian based before)
2024-06-09 06:27:03	rcf	Same way as there: journalctl 
2024-06-09 06:27:26	rcf	`journalctl -b` most likely, as you'd want the current boot if it just happened. 
2024-06-09 06:28:31	rcf	`journalctl -f` if you want to see it happen in real time. 
2024-06-09 06:29:24	docvell	want me to try that again now, or would my last instance still show up?
2024-06-09 06:29:31	docvell	it was last time I used my laptop
2024-06-09 06:29:35	docvell	not today
2024-06-09 06:30:01	rcf	You can go back through boots with a negative argument to -b
2024-06-09 06:30:19	rcf	`journalctl -b -1` for the previous, `journalctl -b -2` for the one before that, etc. 
2024-06-09 06:30:34	docvell	what should I be looking for?
2024-06-09 06:31:25	rcf	USB errors, or anything to do with that particular block device (/dev/sdb or sdc or whatever it was) 
2024-06-09 06:32:05	docvell	I just tried the -2 or even a -1 as it said there was no persistant journal was found
2024-06-09 06:32:19	cloudowind	does dmesg more suitable in this instance ? as because we are looking more kernel related issue?
2024-06-09 06:32:33	rcf	cloudowind: the journal includes dmesg and you don't even need to be root to use it 
2024-06-09 06:32:41	cloudowind	ok
2024-06-09 06:32:49	rcf	(it's also more complete) 
2024-06-09 06:32:56	cloudowind	got ya thanks rcf
2024-06-09 06:33:41	rcf	docvell: in that case, use -f, and try to use the drive again. 
2024-06-09 06:34:03	rcf	Of course assuming it really does disappear a proper power supply is a prudent choice. 
2024-06-09 06:36:04	rcf	Is this on the ISO or something? Not having a persistent journal is odd. 
2024-06-09 06:37:03	docvell	I think I will invest in a case with a power supply.  I installed my ArcoLinux with a DVD that I made from an .ISO image and did the upgrades when needed (pacman -Syu)
2024-06-09 06:37:45	rcf	That much is probably an issue with ArcoLinux in this case, which technically isn't supported it. 
2024-06-09 06:52:35	docvell	I decided to try another case that I had laying around and see if it could be the interface itself (SATA to USB)
2024-06-09 07:06:34	docvell	I tried to format it (through gnome-disks) it came up with this dialog box "Error creating filesyustem, 
2024-06-09 07:06:45	docvell	argh me start over
2024-06-09 07:09:45	docvell	it said "Error creating filesystem 'ext'" Process reported exit code 1: mke2fs 1.47.1 (20-May-2024)  mke2fs: Invalid argumemnt while trying to create jouirmna (udksks-error-quark,0)
2024-06-09 09:29:46	_xRichard__	hi, i want to fix some bugs in deepin DE if i can or i may help. what can i do ?
2024-06-09 09:30:54	MiraSkies	_xRichard__: are these arch specific bugs? 
2024-06-09 09:35:45	_xRichard__	DE spesific i guess, its on wiki. some sec vulns too. also im experiencing some graphical issues.
2024-06-09 09:36:11	_xRichard__	and is it safe to use ?
2024-06-09 09:40:51	_xRichard__	i have some sound problem as well. there is no sound
2024-06-09 09:46:34	_xRichard__	sorry did i miss smt ? i was logged out
2024-06-09 10:21:08	MrElendig	yes, Musk dropped by and gave us all a bunch of bitcoins
2024-06-09 11:04:26	Mathisen	so i always hear stories about people breaking there systems as they overuse AUR. so just curius how many AUR packages people are using in there daily system. 
2024-06-09 11:04:33	Mathisen	im only using 11 myself
2024-06-09 11:05:20	Mathisen	true true, 
2024-06-09 11:09:14	Mathisen	ok fair enough. i only had some issues with nich i3 packages that got orphaned and in turn broke some settings.
2024-06-09 11:15:34	astralc	some people used aur to replace libraries with *-git versions (that can be incompatible with repo software), and also not follow rebuilds
2024-06-09 11:17:30	Mathisen	i use vscode-bin one in aur instead of the repo one, had issues with extensions in the past if did not use offical bin. copilot beeing one 
2024-06-09 11:29:21	MrElendig	a classic one is using e.g. ffmpeg-git/full/whatever and then forgetting to rebuild it and then complain loudly that arch broke and everything sucksx
2024-06-09 11:29:39	MrElendig	or similar
2024-06-09 11:49:26	zbe	Is usesarchbtw.lol site in any way connected to official arch or ...?
2024-06-09 11:50:50	Mathisen	higly doubt that...
2024-06-09 11:50:51	Antiz	zbe: Definitely not ^^
2024-06-09 12:31:49	kompowiec2	11:04:25 <Mathisen> so i always hear stories about people breaking there systems as they overuse AUR. so just curius how many AUR packages people are using in there daily system. 
2024-06-09 12:31:54	kompowiec2	Just install zfs
2024-06-09 12:31:59	kompowiec2	Problem solved
2024-06-09 12:32:34	kompowiec2	for example midov.pl have script for zfs snapshots
2024-06-09 12:45:05	BrainDamage	s/problem solved/problem created/
2024-06-09 12:51:44	Mathisen	kompowiec2, im good. and i have my borg backup enough for me.
2024-06-09 12:52:07	rcf	ZFS on Arch is the last thing you will ever want to do 
2024-06-09 12:52:56	rcf	The kernel are giddy whenever they get the chance to break it. 
2024-06-09 12:53:04	robloxxx	rcf: what's the problem with it?
2024-06-09 12:53:53	⚡ 	Mathisen uses btrfs
2024-06-09 12:56:42	robloxxx	kernel updates too fast?
2024-06-09 12:57:30	rcf	robloxxx: it can only be a seamless experience with kernel updates kept in lockstep by a distribution that intends to support it. Arch wouldn't do that in a million years, so I can never recommend it. 
2024-06-09 12:57:58	gromit	rcf: the lts kernel is packaged in the repo, so thats not an issue
2024-06-09 12:58:26	BrainDamage	the problem is that the zfs driver usually lags behind the kernel, and arch won't hold back kernel updates for it
2024-06-09 12:59:26	robloxxx	gromit: so is it or is it not an issue ?
2024-06-09 12:59:28	BrainDamage	for lts, the problem is still present, but much more relaxed due to having more time for them to port it
2024-06-09 12:59:31	robloxxx	confused
2024-06-09 12:59:34	rcf	gromit: I've still been bitten there in the past; -lts still moves quickly relative to a stable distribution (and it's advanced past linux on several occassions) 
2024-06-09 12:59:48	BrainDamage	it is an issue, but it's less so with lts
2024-06-09 13:00:33	rcf	All out-of-tree modules inherently suck for stability, and the lkml are determined to keep it that way. 
2024-06-09 13:01:06	gromit	I'm using ZFS on my NAS for several years now without much of an issue
2024-06-09 13:01:43	gromit	rcf: yes of course, but thats not the case for long 
2024-06-09 13:02:14	gromit	I mean the worst thing that can happen IMO is that you cant upgrade the kernel for a few weeks, thats doable for most scenarios 
2024-06-09 13:03:21	rcf	(that's not to say I don't like ZFS; I wouldn't use anything else on a NAS. But Arch imposes a maintenance burden, and particularly in the context of trying to reduce potential breakage from something in the AUR it's a very bad recommendation) 
2024-06-09 13:04:07	_xRichard__	how can i add alt+tab in dde ?
2024-06-09 13:06:31	robloxxx	do you suggest using this for zfs? https://github.com/archzfs/archzfs
2024-06-09 13:08:31	gromit	robloxxx: I use their pkgbuilds (via the AUR) but not their packages, but its up to you to decide 🤷
2024-06-09 13:09:58	rcf	robloxxx: the kernel-specific AUR packages are maintained by them as well, so if you dislike building it yourself you won't see much of a difference. 
2024-06-09 13:16:31	rcf	_xRichard__: I thought it was already in there, unless they did something since I last tried using it 
2024-06-09 13:22:29	_xRichard__	!paste
2024-06-09 13:22:29	@phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-06-09 13:23:39	_xRichard__	cant install deepin-extra (some functions is not working as well) https://bpa.st/T4QA
2024-06-09 13:23:39	@phrik	Title: View paste T4QA (at bpa.st)
2024-06-09 13:33:16	_xRichard__	#join #archlinuxsecurity
2024-06-09 13:38:27	rcf	_xRichard__: create an issue for deepin-reader; it should be built with the system deepin-pdfium or marked as conflicting. 
2024-06-09 13:48:34	_xRichard__	rcf: it may cause keyboard shortcuts also ? i cant add alt + tab, its not saving it. and surfing workspaces shortcuts not working either
2024-06-09 13:48:47	rcf	No, this is just a packaging bug. 
2024-06-09 13:49:08	_xRichard__	hm bug-vuln problem ? about deepin ?
2024-06-09 13:49:27	rcf	No, merely how Arch is packaging it. 
2024-06-09 13:49:45	_xRichard__	hm can it be solved ?
2024-06-09 13:55:30	rcf	Looking upstream a bit, it would require some changes to the build system to stop hard-vendoring pdfium in reader, and maybe some changes to the codebase itself if it needs a specific weird version that's incompatible with everytying else.
2024-06-09 13:57:14	Strykar	What's the reason "CONFIG_RT_GROUP_SCHED" is not set?
2024-06-09 13:57:22	_xRichard__	dont need to create issue than ? like said in wiki there is security vulns and bugs already, `they dont respond` are they working on it or .. ? i want to get involve to that
2024-06-09 13:57:36	rcf	_xRichard__: creating an issue is how you'd get involved. 
2024-06-09 13:57:45	_xRichard__	rcf: what do u thinking about it:  https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=296610
2024-06-09 13:57:46	@phrik	Title: How to fix Deepin DE bug ? / Applications & Desktop Environments / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-06-09 13:58:12	_xRichard__	rcf: oh gotcha, can you share the link pls ? i cant find it where to create
2024-06-09 14:00:35	rcf	_xRichard__: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/deepin-reader/-/issues/new but you'd also want to read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bug_reporting_guidelines and need to create an account 
2024-06-09 14:00:35	@phrik	Title: Sign in · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-06-09 14:03:38	rcf	_xRichard__: any vulnerability of this sort would be something you probe upstream about, first and foremost. 
2024-06-09 14:12:38	glitsj16	Strykar: that's probably set in linux-rt{,-lts}
2024-06-09 14:13:25	glitsj16	Strykar: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Realtime_kernel_patchset
2024-06-09 14:13:27	@phrik	Title: Realtime kernel patchset - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-09 14:14:34	_xRichard__	rcf: okay for packaging but what about the dde security vuln ?
2024-06-09 14:25:39	rcf	_xRichard__: you might ask about that in the security channel, though you’d need to be able to readily reproduce this or reference an existing upstream vulnerability report to be most effective 
2024-06-09 14:27:41	phonemic	I am having the same issue described here. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=294876 During poweroff & reboot the network is going down before cifs unmounts. I don't understand the suggestion. Can someone help elaborate?
2024-06-09 14:27:41	@phrik	Title: unmount cifs on shutdown before network goes down / System Administration / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-06-09 15:02:22	glitsj16	phonemic: the suggestion is to ensure cifs/samba shares are unmounted before network goes down; there are several examples in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Samba#Automatic_mounting
2024-06-09 15:02:24	@phrik	Title: Samba - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-09 15:09:11	Namarrgon	Which tool manages the network connections?
2024-06-09 15:09:24	phonemic	Namarrgon: NetworkManager
2024-06-09 15:09:50	phonemic	I'm using `_netdev` is the systemd mount units
2024-06-09 15:09:53	phonemic	*in
2024-06-09 15:20:25	tonitch	Hi, I always do benchmarking using opengl on my pc and never had problems. today I discovered vkcube witch I suppose is just a vulkan cube test. and for some reason, it does spin quite well but when its in a window (I'm using bspwm so when in tiling mode) and I move the window around, my pc is getting really slow, I have two screen and I can see for instance videos freeze on my second screen
2024-06-09 15:20:27	tonitch	like there would be blocking operations. what could cause this ?
2024-06-09 15:22:14	tonitch	it seems to be better when picom is not running but it still lags 
2024-06-09 15:23:34	phonemic	Namarrgon: here's the relevant journalctl entries from the last reboot https://gist.githubusercontent.com/jaredmo/58486ac92ad717643f8a27f89fbc74a1/raw/0032c9d6f96887127d554f71907b67246ccd3b2e/cifs%2520shutdown%2520error
2024-06-09 15:29:32	phonemic	I figured it out. Needed to allow "All users to connect to this network" within Plasma. Not ticked by default, and I guess the root user couldn't unmount the share.
2024-06-09 15:29:33	tonitch	could it be caused by the fact that i'm using nvidia-utils instead of nouveau ? 
2024-06-09 15:39:55	malcom	so, ive been having an issue with google-chrome
2024-06-09 15:40:10	malcom	whenever chrome tries to open a file dialog, it freezes
2024-06-09 15:40:17	malcom	anybody else experience this before?
2024-06-09 15:42:24	arch-angel	malcom, I used to have such a problem, in my case it was xdg-desktop-portal acting up
2024-06-09 15:43:03	arch-angel	perhaps you would want to check systemctl --user for these processes to see if there's any errors?
2024-06-09 15:44:04	tonitch	malcom: I also had the problem and xdg-desktop-portal-gtk instead of xdg-dekstop-portal-gnome fixed the problem
2024-06-09 15:54:25	malcom	arch-angel: tonitch: yup that fixed it! (after logging in and out)
2024-06-09 15:54:29	malcom	thanks
2024-06-09 15:54:46	arch-angel	glad to hear that!
2024-06-09 16:03:42	tonitch	okay, seems like my vulkan problem is a general problem /:
2024-06-09 16:06:29	jenia2	Hello. I have a problem. My keyboard suddenly stopped working on my PC. It works in the login screen but then after I login, it just does not work
2024-06-09 16:06:30	jenia2	:(
2024-06-09 16:06:39	jenia2	anyone has any suggestions?
2024-06-09 16:06:53	jenia2	perhaps I can reinstall some driver?
2024-06-09 16:07:22	tonitch	can you do ctrl + alt + f2 ? 
2024-06-09 16:07:40	tonitch	if so, it's probably a bad xorg config
2024-06-09 16:09:06	jenia2	ummm what's it supposed to do? I pressed it but nothing happened
2024-06-09 16:09:09	MrElendig	check logs
2024-06-09 16:09:50	jenia2	oh it says "line out" or something on my screen when I press it
2024-06-09 16:10:20	jenia2	how do I reset the xorg config ?
2024-06-09 16:10:22	MrElendig	toggle the fn lock first
2024-06-09 16:11:28	jenia2	MrElendig: I do not have a lock key
2024-06-09 16:12:16	tonitch	you should have a fn key (usually at the bottom right or left of your keyboard) so in this case you probably have to do ctrl + alt + fn + f2
2024-06-09 16:13:45	jenia2	tonitch: I did that. it only says "Line out"
2024-06-09 16:15:17	tonitch	well then it's without the fn key ^^ Line out is sound related and there shouldn't be any sound related keybind unless its a function key. can you do ctrl + alt + f2 on the login screen when the keyboard is still working ? 
2024-06-09 16:15:36	jenia2	yes. one second please
2024-06-09 16:15:59	jenia2	oh yes. I'm in a tty
2024-06-09 16:16:00	jenia2	:)
2024-06-09 16:16:28	jenia2	they keyboard works so well in the tty :)
2024-06-09 16:17:04	tonitch	yes so it's probably xorg config. (unless you have wayland in this case I can't help you)
2024-06-09 16:18:49	jenia2	I think I mihgt have wayland. How do I find out exactly? I see that it's installed
2024-06-09 16:19:10	jenia2	xorg is installed too
2024-06-09 16:19:10	jenia2	:)
2024-06-09 16:19:33	tonitch	how did you install your system ? 
2024-06-09 16:20:12	jenia2	a long time ago, using the archwiki
2024-06-09 16:22:13	tonitch	well you can check xorg configs. tbh if this is a wayland problem I hope anyone will hop in the discussion as I don't know anything about it.
2024-06-09 16:22:24	tonitch	are you used to navigate in a console interface ? 
2024-06-09 16:23:18	tonitch	probably. you can go check in /etc/xorg/{xorg.conf,xorg.conf.d/*} and check if there is anything related to keyboard devices
2024-06-09 16:23:55	jenia2	tonitch: I'm confortable in the console interface. ok. Will try to do. thanks tonitch 
2024-06-09 16:32:35	jenia2	 I'm trying to see if I using lxde instead of gnome, will that work
2024-06-09 16:32:50	jenia2	but when I do exec startlxde, I simply get logged out
2024-06-09 16:32:58	jenia2	do you know how to start lxde from the terminal?
2024-06-09 16:33:56	tonitch	have you tried executing startx
2024-06-09 16:34:14	tonitch	or maybe xinit
2024-06-09 16:34:33	jenia2	ok. will try. I decided to update the system first. will do in 5 minutes
2024-06-09 16:34:36	jenia2	thanks kindly@
2024-06-09 16:34:37	jenia2	!
2024-06-09 16:42:44	jenia2	tonitch: by the way, I do not have /etc/xorg... do you know how to find out if I'm using xorg or wayland?
2024-06-09 16:44:21	jenia2	echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE 
2024-06-09 16:44:22	jenia2	:_
2024-06-09 16:44:24	jenia2	:)
2024-06-09 16:47:34	MrElendig	the path would be /etc/X11/xorg.conf*
2024-06-09 16:48:37	tonitch	jenia2: that was a shortcut, basicly in /etc/xorg there is xorg.conf and all the files in xorg.conf.d/
2024-06-09 16:52:01	MrElendig	tonitch: s/xorg/X11
2024-06-09 16:52:03	MrElendig	/g
2024-06-09 16:52:16	jenia2	:)
2024-06-09 16:52:35	tonitch	ho, my mistake :/
2024-06-09 16:53:04	jenia2	I think I know the exact moment this problem with the keyboard happened. I was using wine to play a game yesterday, there was a weird bug and the keyboard stopped working
2024-06-09 16:53:08	merazi	good morning!
2024-06-09 16:53:20	jenia2	good morning
2024-06-09 16:58:02	jenia2	I really fucked up. this is very bad. I have no keyboard and I don't know what to do
2024-06-09 16:58:16	tonitch	I think wine could possibly alter system config but it doesn't by itself. either it's a game with malware or a missconfigured wine I suppose. currently, I don't think wine is the "cause" of you not having keyboard. do you know what display manager you run? (lightdm, gdm, ..., where you would type your password at boot)
2024-06-09 16:58:27	Namarrgon	Is it limited to only that user account?
2024-06-09 16:59:28	jenia2	I'm not sure. I will create a new user and see
2024-06-09 17:01:27	jenia2	I think it's lightdm
2024-06-09 17:01:32	jenia2	tonitch: ^
2024-06-09 17:03:03	jenia2	Namarrgon: great success :) I tried another user and the keyboard works
2024-06-09 17:04:05	tonitch	was the game on steam / lutris or custom install ? 
2024-06-09 17:04:29	jenia2	tonitch: it was Civ5. I played it work many years and this did not happen before
2024-06-09 17:05:42	jenia2	for* not work*
2024-06-09 17:07:22	tonitch	that still bug me that this would be because of the game. you should probably check your home folder for .profile, .bashrc/.zshrc/... and follow what is happening at startup until you find something that could cause that ? 
2024-06-09 17:07:54	tonitch	it certainly something in your .config
2024-06-09 17:08:13	tonitch	btw what is your wm ?
2024-06-09 17:08:34	jenia2	gnome
2024-06-09 17:09:22	jenia2	or x11.
2024-06-09 17:09:49	jenia2	I'm confused about the whole visual interface stack. not 100% sure how all the pieces fit together
2024-06-09 17:10:06	tonitch	well I don't use gnome either but could really be some configuration in gnome.
2024-06-09 17:11:27	jenia2	ok.. do you htink it's a good idea to move my entire .config folder to .config.bak?
2024-06-09 17:11:43	Jupelius	What kind of motive would be behind that move?
2024-06-09 17:12:24	jenia2	Jupelius: well, my keybaord stopped working for the user jenia so if I reset the configs to default by moving the folder, maybe it'll remove the bug/
2024-06-09 17:12:24	jenia2	?
2024-06-09 17:12:38	jenia2	tha'ts my thinking
2024-06-09 17:12:43	jenia2	what do you think?
2024-06-09 17:13:22	tonitch	simple question. if your mouse still work when logged in. have you tried to check keyboard configuration in gnome settings ? 
2024-06-09 17:13:35	jenia2	yes
2024-06-09 17:13:58	jenia2	I don't see anything there that's useful
2024-06-09 17:14:22	jenia2	ok. i'm mv config config.bak
2024-06-09 17:14:32	jenia2	and rebootin
2024-06-09 17:15:53	jenia2	it worked. lol
2024-06-09 17:15:54	jenia2	:)
2024-06-09 17:16:30	jenia2	I got my keybaord back
2024-06-09 17:16:31	jenia2	:)
2024-06-09 17:17:37	tonitch	well congrats x) tbh, I don't know gnome enought to pinpoint the problem. you can maybe do a diff to narrow the problem if you still want to investigate. else have fun. civ5 is a great game and I lost many days in it ^^
2024-06-09 17:17:58	hnOsmium0001	that seems to suggest some issue with Xorg/xkb config?
2024-06-09 17:18:05	hnOsmium0001	or the wayland equivalent thereof
2024-06-09 17:18:11	Jupelius	afaik default xorg confs should be alright nowadays
2024-06-09 17:18:41	hnOsmium0001	not super familar with either of those things just thought I would throw that out
2024-06-09 17:22:29	hnOsmium0001	anyways: having a weird issue: it seems almost randomly, hitting journald (and sometimes wall msg) errors ranging from BUG Bad page map; BUG rcu_preempt detected stalls; get_swap_device: invalid swap file entry xxxx; to similar errors happening to random individual processes, causing them to freeze--other processes would still be fine
2024-06-09 17:22:57	Warepire	!give hnOsmium0001 paste
2024-06-09 17:22:58	@phrik	hnOsmium0001: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-06-09 17:23:08	jenia2	thank you all so very much. it was crazy. I really need my main pc to work!
2024-06-09 17:23:21	Warepire	If you share the entries, someone might be able to figure out what your problem is.
2024-06-09 17:23:38	hnOsmium0001	(for the BUG rcu_preempt specifically, when this happens the whole system would freeze including switching tty with e.g. ctrl+alt+f3, the light for "hardware failure" would blink)
2024-06-09 17:24:31	hnOsmium0001	these are the symptoms; I did investigations at this point, and seemed to suggest something wrong with memory
2024-06-09 17:25:25	hnOsmium0001	memtest86 didn't return any errors, disabling swapfile (the errors frequently mentioned swap) /seemed/ to decrease the rate of error but still is there
2024-06-09 17:25:45	hnOsmium0001	and lastly disabling zswap removed them altogether
2024-06-09 17:26:21	hnOsmium0001	and the weirdest part is the dualboot windows 11 install has absolutely no problem whatsoever
2024-06-09 17:28:52	hnOsmium0001	oh: and initially it's all BUG rcu_preempt stalls happening when I login to KDE, or sometimes later when starting chrome
2024-06-09 17:28:54	hnOsmium0001	after a little bit of toying I found that first logging into a tty and just run some commands delayed the freeze by a lot
2024-06-09 17:30:32	hnOsmium0001	I will dig out the errors in journalctl to pastebin in a moment for the curious -- no swap + no zswap seemed to fix it, but I have no idea why -- just thought I would share these symptoms for now
2024-06-09 17:31:20	hnOsmium0001	(hypothesis was something in the swapfile was corrupted, but disabling swap still caused errors is a contradiction)
2024-06-09 18:13:28	hnOsmium0001	http://0x0.st/Xbv9.txt
2024-06-09 18:13:50	hnOsmium0001	a selection of the error entries, plus some commentary
2024-06-09 20:13:52	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-06-09 18:14:10	hnOsmium0001	I apologize for the long essay that wasn't organized at all earlier
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2024-06-09 19:04:45	Furai	Is there any command that cleans pacman cache and leaves like 1-2 latest versions per package?
2024-06-09 19:05:33	Furai	Uh, ok wiki has answer.
2024-06-09 19:05:34	mpan	Furai: paccache from pacman-contrib. The command is `paccache -rk2` for the latest 2 versions.
2024-06-09 19:06:11	Furai	mpan: thanks
2024-06-09 19:07:09	◥	Feuermagier (~Feuermagi@user/feuermagier) has joined #archlinux
2024-06-09 19:07:14	Furai	Ok, just saved like 220 GB of disk space.
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2024-06-09 19:08:20	mpan	Note that “most recent” includes the currently installed version.
2024-06-09 19:08:43	mpan	So “2 latest” means the current and the previous. “1 latest” would be just the currently installed version.
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2024-06-09 19:12:44	Furai	Yeah, that makes sense, wouldn't really think it worked differently. Thanks
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2024-06-09 19:14:19	MrElendig	-Sc leaves 1
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2024-06-09 19:16:57	matjam	hey peeps
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2024-06-09 19:27:56	funkymonkey	is anyone running nextcloud on arch? i have been running for a while. no problem , but since 2 versions it is keeps comp;aining about a php module sodium not being innstalled but it is and the extension is also enabled in the php.ini was wondering if anyone else experienced the same?
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2024-06-09 19:28:34	MrElendig	-Q libsodium
2024-06-09 19:29:27	MrElendig	and -Q  php-legacy-sodium 
2024-06-09 19:29:42	MrElendig	(if you are running old php)
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2024-06-09 19:30:53	MrElendig	or non-legacy if you are not
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2024-06-09 19:30:58	ccube	hewo
2024-06-09 19:31:24	ccube	Is there anyone in here?
2024-06-09 19:31:47	Edu4rdSHL	https://dontasktoask.com
2024-06-09 19:31:48	@phrik	Title: Don't ask to ask, just ask (at dontasktoask.com)
2024-06-09 19:31:49	MrElendig	no, we are all a product of your imagination
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2024-06-09 19:32:07	ccube	I just want to make friends
2024-06-09 19:32:25	MrElendig	you want -offtopic or your local hike then
2024-06-09 19:32:39	MrElendig	or parkrun / friday ride / similar
2024-06-09 19:33:05	Edu4rdSHL	funkymonkey, always `pacman -Qi $package` to see the optional deps. e.g `pacman -Qi nextcloud`
2024-06-09 19:34:49	ccube	MrElendig is there a -dating channel for archlinux?
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2024-06-09 19:40:42	matjam	funkymonkey: I tend to run things like that inside a docker container
2024-06-09 19:41:34	matjam	makes my life much easier
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2024-06-09 19:49:05	funkymonkey	thanks everyone for the tips, libsodium 1.0.19-3 and php-legacy-sodium 8.2.20-1
2024-06-09 19:49:51	funkymonkey	yes i imagine docker would have been less hassle, but went a different way for now, i kinda also like fixing broken stuff :p
2024-06-09 19:50:12	Edu4rdSHL	This was just about installing a dependency, not fixing anything tho
2024-06-09 19:50:25	Edu4rdSHL	Or was it broken?
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2024-06-09 19:51:15	MrElendig	works without sodium too, just can't use argon2 hashing
2024-06-09 19:51:42	funkymonkey	true true Edu4rdSHL but pretty much every nextcloud update, s.th. brakes in my setup, needing to move some files, delete stuff etc.
2024-06-09 19:52:04	funkymonkey	yes yes is indeed working MrElendig lol just realize your nick, nice
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2024-06-09 20:52:04	teraflops	funkymonkey: using a docker image you do not have that problem
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2024-06-10 18:19:39	m2x07	i have a asus vivobook pro, and it has a webcam that used to work very well on windows. how can i make it work on linux?
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2024-06-10 18:19:55	mpan	m2x07: hello. Mind the warning I gave. :)
2024-06-10 18:20:18	teraflops	m2x07: it does now work ootb?
2024-06-10 18:20:19	m2x07	yes i am aware
2024-06-10 18:20:32	m2x07	and i am on arch so no worries
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2024-06-10 18:20:37	m2x07	teraflops: sorry?
2024-06-10 18:20:43	teraflops	out of the box
2024-06-10 18:20:43	mpan	out-of-the-box
2024-06-10 18:21:02	m2x07	it used to work very well and smooth on windows (which came preinstalled)
2024-06-10 18:21:14	m2x07	but it just doesn't work well on any linux distro
2024-06-10 18:21:26	m2x07	the video is very low res and extremely laggy and delayed
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2024-06-10 18:21:35	mpan	Any notes here point to anything interesting? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Laptop/ASUS#Vivobook
2024-06-10 18:21:36	@phrik	Title: Laptop/ASUS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-10 18:21:40	mpan	Oh, so it works?
2024-06-10 18:21:48	another|	How are you testing?
2024-06-10 18:21:53	m2x07	mpan: yes it works physically
2024-06-10 18:22:00	m2x07	another|: `ffplay -fast /dev/video0`
2024-06-10 18:22:15	mpan	m2x07: you need to set options, like resolution, fps, format etc.
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2024-06-10 18:22:51	teraflops	m2x07: use cheese or dimilar software
2024-06-10 18:22:57	teraflops	similar
2024-06-10 18:23:02	m2x07	that was funny
2024-06-10 18:23:15	m2x07	mpan: alright i'll take a look
2024-06-10 18:23:30	mpan	Test with something like guvcview or V4L2 utility from  v4l-utils.
2024-06-10 18:24:12	m2x07	okay
2024-06-10 18:24:15	teraflops	the ffmpeg command you gave does not work well here
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2024-06-10 18:24:32	teraflops	but e.g cheese works very well, no lag
2024-06-10 18:24:43	another|	for ffmpeg see https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Capture/Webcam#Linux
2024-06-10 18:24:44	@phrik	Title: Capture/Webcam – FFmpeg (at trac.ffmpeg.org)
2024-06-10 18:24:45	mpan	Then, if you want to use it directly with ffmpeg, you will need to use `-f v4l2 -framerate … -video_size … -input_format …  -i /dev/video0 … ` to get the right resolutio.
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2024-06-10 18:25:17	m2x07	thanks
2024-06-10 18:25:17	mpan	v4l2-ctl to get details, if you want to get them from a terminal.
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2024-06-10 18:26:12	mpan	Though I never managed to use H.264 from webcam. Only MJPEG or raw frames. :(
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2024-06-10 18:28:55	BrainDamage	usually mjpeg is chosen because it allowslow latency and a small/cheap encoder
2024-06-10 18:29:00	demonicmaniac1	did the new intel crap proprietary webcam stuff for their 13th/14th gen make it into 6.9 already or will it be 6.10?
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2024-06-10 18:32:47	demonicmaniac1	mpan: if you're fine with lower res most at leasy support yuv 4:2:2 or 4:2:0 at 30 fps albeit usually lower resolution
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2024-06-10 18:33:17	mpan	demonicmaniac1: the issue is frame quality with MJPEG, not resolution/framerate. :)
2024-06-10 18:34:04	mpan	I don’t have problems with bandwidth with MJPEG.
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2024-06-10 18:34:14	demonicmaniac1	absolutely agree just saying 640x480 yuv is a lot less than 1280x720 for common webcams :)
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2024-06-10 18:34:43	mpan	1280×720 30 fps works nice here, in MJPEG. Just… well… it’s JPEG. :)
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2024-06-10 18:35:03	mpan	JPEG is a poor choice for movie compression.
2024-06-10 18:35:08	demonicmaniac1	mine supports 640x480 yuv 30 or 1280x720 yuv 10 fps :D
2024-06-10 18:35:20	demonicmaniac1	or 1280x720 mjpeg 30
2024-06-10 18:35:21	mpan	Mine goes way above that, but at 5 FPS. :P
2024-06-10 18:35:26	demonicmaniac1	heh
2024-06-10 18:35:28	lanre	yikes
2024-06-10 18:38:53	teraflops	I still believe that mpv,vlc,ffmpeg, etc webcam image quality is very poor compared to e.g cheese
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2024-06-10 21:44:07	random-nickname	hi, I'm using xfce4 (with amdgpu, on a desktop computer) and have the power settings set to turn off the screen after a few minutes, but for some reason if the screen stays off for a while, and I move the mouse, the screen turns off, but there is no image displayed so it turns off again
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2024-06-10 21:45:57	random-nickname	does anybody have any idea why this is happening? it begun a few months ago I think, but lately it's gotten worse where I don't know how to get it to show up again (earlier I could just blindly open mpv or glxgears with the keyboard and it would fix the issue)
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2024-06-10 21:47:06	random-nickname	oh, and switching to a tty works and displays correctly (but switching back to the one where Xorg just makes the screen blank again)
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2024-06-10 21:58:25	herschel	!paste
2024-06-10 21:58:25	@phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-06-10 21:59:16	herschel	updated most of my packages and now I'm getting an error when I try to open (new) kitty windows: https://paste.rs/v1yJg.txt
2024-06-10 21:59:18	@phrik	Title: Source Code | v1yJg | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-06-10 21:59:33	herschel	I found some results googling that were relevant but unclear how they resolved?
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2024-06-10 22:01:48	random-nickname	mingdao: there is nothing interesting in the log, just a bunch of spam from switching ttys and from manually turning the monitor on and off
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2024-06-10 22:03:09	pmattern	random-nickname: Did you check systemd's journal, e. g. by running 'journalctl -b' *as root*?
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2024-06-10 22:03:56	glitsj16	herschel: you mention updating 'most' of your packages; tried updating some more (kitty deps)?
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2024-06-10 22:08:59	random-nickname	pmattern: there doesn't seem to be anything relevant from the time it froze up
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2024-06-10 22:09:54	herschel	ok it was 100% my fault, fixed now
2024-06-10 22:09:57	herschel	I have an unrelated question
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2024-06-10 22:10:48	herschel	I'm using wayland at 1.5x scaling, some apps render fine, other apps render *slightly* weird and blurry, but in a way I don't understand and that isn't because of xwayland
2024-06-10 22:11:00	herschel	as in, I can force them to run under xwayland and they behave differently
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2024-06-10 22:11:49	pmattern	random-nickname: Do you happen to have XScreenSaver installed?
2024-06-10 22:11:51	herschel	(and appear to render at 1x and just scale and are blurry)
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2024-06-10 22:12:22	herschel	all of the problematic ones are based on chromium, which, fine, and I wouldn't even complain except for the following:
2024-06-10 22:12:36	herschel	(so these are chromium itself and a few electron apps)
2024-06-10 22:12:46	herschel	if I run *pwas*, these render great
2024-06-10 22:13:06	herschel	but the exact same website running as a chromium tab looks weirdly blurry
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2024-06-10 22:13:18	random-nickname	pmattern: no
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2024-06-10 22:14:58	herschel	https://i.imgur.com/wGk5rkN.png
2024-06-10 22:15:14	herschel	this is relatively small and I can live with it but I'm confused how this is even possible
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2024-06-10 22:17:01	pmattern	mingdao: Well, actually -b0 doesn't really make sense. See section about -b in man journalctl.
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2024-06-10 22:18:36	pmattern	mingdao: In particular the meaning of "offset" in this context.
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2024-06-10 22:44:10	linux_dream	hi people, what's the most linuxer way to create a desktop file of a binary?  where do I place the binary?
2024-06-10 22:44:43	linux_dream	ultimate goal is to let j4-dmenu-desktop find the binary or program if I type a few letters
2024-06-10 22:45:01	tusko	linux_dream: symbolic link
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2024-06-10 22:46:10	demonicmaniac1	that's not a desktop file providing mimetype association or information for compatible mimetypes to open
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2024-06-10 22:48:08	demonicmaniac1	linux_dream: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Desktop_file
2024-06-10 22:48:12	@phrik	Title: Desktop entries - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-06-10 22:57:26	pmattern	mingdao: As for "-0=current" see "An empty offset is equivalent to specifying -0, except [...]". And by "+0 doesn't really make sense" I meant there's no such thing like a boot before the first one. But in practice that's not too relevant anyway I guess.
2024-06-10 22:58:10	linux_dream	thx demonicmaniac1
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2024-06-10 23:25:13	random-nickname	so another weird thing about my issue is that the programs in the Xorg session seem to be running much slower than they're usually do
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2024-06-10 23:30:45	random-nickname	I ran a weston instance in another tty and ran a firefox there and it has normal performance
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2024-06-10 23:33:09	chikuwasuka	journalctl -b is the same as journalctl -b 0, too
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2024-06-11 00:31:56	BeekeeperHoneyma	has anyone experienced the ASUS Linux Kernel G14 build, for ASUS ROG g15 laptops?
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2024-06-11 00:34:36	BeekeeperHoneyma	wonderful interacting with you all... lol
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2024-06-11 00:35:18	Mr_Troll	lol
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2024-06-11 01:05:20	malcom	how long does it take for the AUR page to reflect changes in the PKGBUILD?
2024-06-11 01:06:08	malcom	i changed the PKGBUILD a few days ago, but the pkgrel and makedepends havent updated yet
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2024-06-11 01:12:02	Namarrgon	Did you update the .SRCINFO, too? That's where aurweb gets the metadata from, not from the PKGBUILD.
2024-06-11 01:12:17	malcom	oh right, thank you
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2024-06-11 01:18:01	random-nickname	so I'm still having the no output
2024-06-11 01:18:07	predicament	cheese isnt working.
2024-06-11 01:18:10	random-nickname	issue with X11
2024-06-11 01:18:14	predicament	i see
2024-06-11 01:18:21	predicament	great!
2024-06-11 01:18:32	predicament	so what else could i use
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2024-06-11 11:30:53	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-06-11 01:26:55	Mr_Troll	what envoironment are you using?
2024-06-11 01:29:23	Mr_Troll	there is an issue with an update on xcfe, nothing to do with arch
2024-06-11 01:31:40	Mr_Troll	xfce4-settings update breaks the output
2024-06-11 01:39:29	random-nickname	Mr_Troll: is there a bug report somewhere? I can't find it
2024-06-11 01:42:00	Mr_Troll	no
2024-06-11 01:42:14	Mr_Troll	I found out yesterday after the update
2024-06-11 01:42:40	Mr_Troll	I have multiple computers connected to a switch
2024-06-11 01:43:11	Mr_Troll	and xcfe won't respong unless I kill the xserver
2024-06-11 01:43:27	Mr_Troll	it does not happen with other environments
2024-06-11 01:43:44	Mr_Troll	this was right after xfce4-settings update
2024-06-11 01:44:02	random-nickname	I just checked with a vnc server and the xfce4 display settings show my monitor as disabled
2024-06-11 01:44:10	Mr_Troll	yes
2024-06-11 01:44:35	Mr_Troll	a work around would be on display settings davenced
2024-06-11 01:44:42	Mr_Troll	enable the show dialog
2024-06-11 01:44:56	Mr_Troll	that will keep your monitor active
2024-06-11 01:45:39	Mr_Troll	display settings advanced*
2024-06-11 01:46:51	Mr_Troll	press control alt backspace to restart xorg
2024-06-11 01:47:05	Mr_Troll	then enable the setting on display settings
2024-06-11 01:47:35	Mr_Troll	that will keep the monitor active
2024-06-11 01:48:33	Mr_Troll	there is no bug report because the update aws released less than 24 hours ago
2024-06-11 01:55:30	random-nick	Mr_Troll: thanks, that worked
2024-06-11 01:55:40	Mr_Troll	no worries
2024-06-11 01:57:29	Mr_Troll	this is why I came in today, to make sure someone reports the issue
2024-06-11 02:07:37	demonicmaniac1	predicament: that's not really a helpful problem description. v4l2-ctl --all and pacman -Q linux && uname -a
2024-06-11 02:07:53	predicament	?
2024-06-11 02:08:05	predicament	i heard if was an x11 issue, and i use x11
2024-06-11 02:08:16	predicament	so i grabbed webcamoid
2024-06-11 02:08:35	demonicmaniac1	they were stating their own problem not replying to you
2024-06-11 02:08:50	predicament	ohhhh
2024-06-11 02:09:09	predicament	i didnt give a description or try to help though
2024-06-11 02:09:16	demonicmaniac1	but if webcamoid is a working workaround for you then that's fine
2024-06-11 02:09:38	predicament	it is, and what you told me to do just gave me a help menu
2024-06-11 02:10:02	predicament	i use the latest zen kernel.
2024-06-11 02:11:29	demonicmaniac1	it's about whether you did an -Syu and no reboot so your kernel installed and running match - because if you install a kernel and don't reboot the modules for the old kernel/currently running are wiped by default. so if webcam kernel modules weren't loaded they wouldn't be able to get loaded
2024-06-11 02:11:29	predicament	https://bpa.st/VJBQ
2024-06-11 02:11:29	@phrik	Title: View paste VJBQ (at bpa.st)
2024-06-11 02:11:34	Mr_Troll	a lot of issues are ususally caused by the environment or a display driver
2024-06-11 02:11:50	predicament	i rebooted just like 10 minutes ago
2024-06-11 02:12:03	predicament	and they're loaded cause they work in every app except cheese
2024-06-11 02:12:10	predicament	and webcamoid works.
2024-06-11 02:12:16	predicament	cheese does not launch.
2024-06-11 02:12:39	demonicmaniac1	ah so not a camera issue but a cheese program issue
2024-06-11 02:12:45	Mr_Troll	then that is very likely that cheese has a bug
2024-06-11 02:13:22	demonicmaniac1	what's the error message if you start it from terminal? since webcamoid is an aur thing having something repo can be nicer
2024-06-11 02:46:49	cloudowind	goodays/nights Archpeople
2024-06-11 02:47:48	predicament	i'll try to start it from terminal
2024-06-11 02:49:34	predicament	like i said demon, it's an app & x11 isssue
2024-06-11 02:50:09	predicament	cheese works if i start from terminal, what the fuck
2024-06-11 02:50:33	predicament	works with my normal shortcut
2024-06-11 02:50:52	predicament	it must have been a missing dependency or maybe i just needed to reboot, i don't know
2024-06-11 03:38:57	zayd	anyone else having issues with sudo not authenticating properly? i've tried at least 15 times and have tried copying directly from my password manager and it doesn't authenticate. sometimes it works, sometimes it'll stop authenticating at all
2024-06-11 03:39:42	zayd	when i do `su zayd` and paste the same password from my manager, it authenticates, so i know i'm not getting it wrong
2024-06-11 03:41:08	tirnanog	most probably because you you lock yourself out and exacerbate the fact by trying 14 more times at short intervals, perepetuating that state.
2024-06-11 03:42:37	tirnanog	for the same password to be used for sudo as for su makes sense if you've set the same password for your own account and the root account.
2024-06-11 03:42:48	tirnanog	otherwise, it wouldn't.
2024-06-11 03:44:00	zayd	tirnanog: i did set the same password, and i was trying to su as myself
2024-06-11 03:44:34	virtualsid	zayd: anything interesting in the logs?
2024-06-11 03:44:35	zayd	started working again after resetting with faillock
2024-06-11 03:44:45	virtualsid	ah, so probably was the locking
2024-06-11 03:44:52	tirnanog	ok. so it's probably that you tripped pam_faillock or that your sudoers policy doesn't permit you in particular to to acquire a root shell at present.
2024-06-11 03:45:45	zayd	i'm constantly tempted to set NOPASSWD, but i know it's a bad idea
2024-06-11 03:45:54	tirnanog	it certainly is.
2024-06-11 03:47:57	demonicmaniac1	don't we ship the systemd run0 or whatever it was called already as the sudo replacement?
2024-06-11 03:49:19	virtualsid	it's in unstable, I believe, demonicmaniac1
2024-06-11 03:49:33	zayd	i don't even really see the point in run0 tbh
2024-06-11 03:51:18	virtualsid	systemd-run already does this (mostly?) so it's just a small alias related change.
2024-06-11 03:51:23	virtualsid	symlink/whatever
2024-06-11 03:51:36	demonicmaniac1	then you never looked into all the hell that is the different environment preserving/not preserving stuff of sudo
2024-06-11 03:54:34	glitsj16	the more interesting aspect of run0 isn't the symlink though; not making use of setuid binaries or other privilege escalation methods sounds rather interesting
2024-06-11 03:54:51	glitsj16	on paper
2024-06-11 03:55:17	glitsj16	i don't think it's hit that stage yet
2024-06-11 03:56:24	virtualsid	just did an update, it's not in my systemd yet :P
2024-06-11 04:52:57	Trel	Is there a way to download a package using pacman as a zst that I can copy to a flash drive or something?
2024-06-11 04:54:09	Trel	Oh, -Sw did work, but the location doesn't look like it gets indexed by locate by default, I'm good
2024-06-11 04:55:54	mkoskar	Trel: or -Sp, it gives you url and you can download it yourself if it's not in cache already
2024-06-11 04:57:32	Trel	Cool, thanks.  Multiple ways > one way
2024-06-11 05:20:49	ElGatoPanzon	Hey all, I just updated my system and can't figure out why lightdm shows the login window then when I login it flashes to black, and just shows the login window again? I'm using i3wm
2024-06-11 05:28:25	ElGatoPanzon	NetSysFire: for lightdm,
2024-06-11 05:28:53	ElGatoPanzon	Basically nothing in journal, just login then instant logout
2024-06-11 05:33:58	Scimmia	that's usually because your WM crashes
2024-06-11 05:36:10	Scimmia	can you log into a tty?
2024-06-11 05:57:43	ElGatoPanzon	Scimmia: yea, everything works fine without lightdm, using startx
2024-06-11 05:57:54	ElGatoPanzon	So I guess it's no lightdm anymore lol
2024-06-11 06:31:10	Edu4rdSHL	Share the log
2024-06-11 06:46:52	ElGatoPanzon	Edu4rdSHL: pretty much this https://0x0.st/s/fFqIkHjVOoqMrdbtqy5fYg/XcrJ.txt
2024-06-11 06:47:16	ElGatoPanzon	Those were the attempts of logging in until I killed it
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2024-06-11 11:32:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-06-11 10:49:02	Luyin	hi, pacman -Suy gives me this error: ":: installing pcre2 (10.44-1) breaks dependency 'pcre2=10.43' required by lib32-pcre2" -> I can't remove pcre2 because it's a dep for too many packages I need. What should I do to fix this?
2024-06-11 10:49:20	Luyin	I haven't seen anything on the ML or the website about this
2024-06-11 10:50:34	mpan	Luyin: don’t you have [testing] enabled?
2024-06-11 10:50:46	Luyin	mpan: I do, yes
2024-06-11 10:51:17	Luyin	core-testing and extra-testing
2024-06-11 10:51:24	mpan	So here is your answer.
2024-06-11 10:51:55	mpan	NetSysFire: it’s in [testing].
2024-06-11 10:52:04	mpan	So it’s not a bug.
2024-06-11 10:52:58	mpan	...
2024-06-11 10:53:25	Luyin	I'll ask about it in #archlinux-testing first
2024-06-11 10:53:38	mpan	Luyin: also, you seem to not be having [multilib-testing] enabled.
2024-06-11 10:54:01	Luyin	oh that could be it!
2024-06-11 10:54:46	Luyin	yeah, that did it! must have overlooked that I still have multilib enabled and forgot to add that when started with testing. thanks!
2024-06-11 10:54:59	Luyin	enabling that did fix the issue, so no bug indeed :)
2024-06-11 10:55:02	mpan	Luyin: why do you have [testing] enabled in the first place?
2024-06-11 10:55:13	Luyin	mpan: because I'm with the AT team :D
2024-06-11 10:55:21	mpan	ok
2024-06-11 10:55:21	Luyin	newly
2024-06-11 10:56:11	mpan	Remember that packages in [testing] may be broken (obviously) and so may be the dependencies. It would only be a bug for a dependency, if it’s clear no work is being done on publishing the missing dependency.
2024-06-11 10:56:26	⚡ 	Luyin nods
2024-06-11 10:56:55	Luyin	yeah makes sense. I kind of always assume it's my own fault when something goes wrong first. :D
2024-06-11 10:58:24	mpan	Well, if that were the stable repos, that would be a clear issue and not anything wrong on your side. But in [testing] sometimes packages and their deps may be pushed not at the exactly same moment, which of course means downstream mirrors may pick up a view with a missing dependency.
2024-06-11 10:58:41	mpan	Also, thanks for testing! :)
2024-06-11 10:59:43	Luyin	yes, _and_ if it's me having the wrong number of repos enabled, it definitely is a PEBCAK :D but thanks! and you're welcome!
2024-06-11 11:11:22	ariejan	Hi. I have gnome running and I have an HP printer on my network. I've set it up fine, but an auto-discovered (non working) version of the printer keeps showing up under printers. I already edited cupsd.conf say Browsing No and BrowseLocalProtocols none. But, the printer still appears. All I find on the webs refer to cups-browsed, which I do not
2024-06-11 11:11:22	ariejan	have. I _do_ have avahi running, but I'm not sure if I need it for anything else than printing. 
2024-06-11 11:14:13	shirenn	Hey, i've filled multiple requests (one over a year ago and another one a few weeks ago) to terminate my bbs account but i'm yet to get anyone to get back at me. Do you know if there is a way to get in touch with any admin (apart from the gitlab tickets) ?
2024-06-11 11:17:51	ariejan	shirenn IIRC you can email forum@archlinux.org about it. 
2024-06-11 11:19:14	gromit	shirenn: you can DM me your mail or write another one to privacy@archlinux.org
2024-06-11 11:21:21	gromit	ariejan: I guess that has been done in the previous tries 
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2024-06-11 11:41:20	grawity	ariejan: most printer browsing indeed happens through mDNS (Avahi) -- not through cups-browsed (which mainly exists to handle old CUPS servers)
2024-06-11 11:41:55	grawity	ariejan: generally though, the discovered version *should* work, as long as you have mDNS hostname lookups working (nss_mdns or systemd-resolved); they do support "driverless" printing
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2024-06-11 15:40:26	shoenot	anyone here play video games? i’m currently dual booting with windows but i was wondering if it was worth it to move the video games over on linux so i could spend more time in it
2024-06-11 15:40:56	shoenot	main thing that worries me is that i have an nvidia GPU
2024-06-11 15:40:58	ponies	shoenot: games run better on linux
2024-06-11 15:41:12	BrainDamage	you'll get lots of hit or misses
2024-06-11 15:41:21	BrainDamage	and some fiddling may be required
2024-06-11 15:41:36	shoenot	ponies: are you serious
2024-06-11 15:41:42	BrainDamage	check winedb, protondb, and areweanticheat websites to save you some headaches
2024-06-11 15:41:46	ponies	its pretty damn good now you dont have to fiddle
2024-06-11 15:41:52	BrainDamage	and the arch wiki
2024-06-11 15:45:05	shoenot	ponies: how is it more performant when it doesn’t have directx
2024-06-11 15:46:24	ponies	shoenot: because instead of DirectX you have Vulkan
2024-06-11 15:47:58	shoenot	ponies: i thought only some games supported vulkan
2024-06-11 15:48:46	ponies	NOPE
2024-06-11 15:49:25	ponies	the only reason i can think of to stick with Windows is Microsoft Office. 
2024-06-11 15:51:14	shoenot	ponies: i still need windows for CAD and some obscure ass school shit
2024-06-11 15:52:33	ponies	yeah, so you dual boot or virtualize 
2024-06-11 16:56:59	Jonimus	shoenot, which CAD?
2024-06-11 16:57:22	shoenot	Jonimus: NX
2024-06-11 16:58:51	raster	shoenot: proton is a layer steam uses to run games on windows - it emulates all the windows api's like d3d/directx...
2024-06-11 16:59:28	Jonimus	Ahh, NX technically supports linux but I don't know how you'd go about getting the linux build when I was in Uni and asked they had no friggin clue and just gave me the Windows installer.
2024-06-11 17:00:53	raster	in SOME cases proton actually will allow games to run better on linux than on windows.
2024-06-11 17:02:03	shoenot	raster: does proton just emulate a directx like wrapper for vulkan?
2024-06-11 17:02:11	raster	yes
2024-06-11 17:02:13	cbus	it translates the calls
2024-06-11 17:02:16	raster	it layers d3d/dx on top of vk
2024-06-11 17:02:29	shoenot	Jonimus: similar experience lmfao. which was weird because we do all of our CFD on linux servers
2024-06-11 17:02:32	raster	as well as pretty much the entire windows api/dll set
2024-06-11 17:02:45	cbus	proton uses wine, WINE stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator"
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2024-06-11 17:03:03	cbus	but for me gaming using proton has been very nice
2024-06-11 17:03:06	raster	emulating is the best term people understand :)
2024-06-11 17:03:13	raster	it is an api call translator as such
2024-06-11 17:03:15	cbus	but I mostly play weird roguelikes
2024-06-11 17:03:36	raster	with enough of services and logic behind those calls implemented so it works. even bug compatibility
2024-06-11 17:03:44	cbus	also thank you for e17 :)
2024-06-11 17:03:48	cbus	I used to run it
2024-06-11 17:03:50	raster	and also for me proton has proven to be pretty seamless
2024-06-11 17:04:02	cbus	funnily enough some games work better when I run proton vs the native client
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2024-06-11 17:04:11	cbus	(seems to be games made with gamemaker)
2024-06-11 17:04:12	raster	with steam it's a brain-dead checkbox basically. it "just works"
2024-06-11 17:04:13	raster	cbus:  :)
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2024-06-11 17:04:23	raster	cbus: why "used to" run e?
2024-06-11 17:04:44	cbus	I ran it many years ago in x86 days on my uni laptop
2024-06-11 17:05:02	cbus	and then ran windows on my main machine until a couple years ago
2024-06-11 17:05:06	cbus	so didnt have the chance to use it :)
2024-06-11 17:05:15	raster	cbus: time to come back!
2024-06-11 17:05:19	raster	:)
2024-06-11 17:05:23	raster	latest releases are in arch
2024-06-11 17:05:31	cbus	ooh nice
2024-06-11 17:05:31	raster	-git also in AUR...
2024-06-11 17:05:39	cbus	I am on manjaro currently though but intend to switch "any day"
2024-06-11 17:05:49	cbus	have been slacking on the install for a week or so :D
2024-06-11 17:05:51	shoenot	how does this allow games to run better on Linux? doesn’t the extra layer of abstraction slow it down?
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2024-06-11 17:06:02	raster	cbus: installing arch is the biggest pain about it
2024-06-11 17:06:12	raster	tho the new installer should have helped.
2024-06-11 17:06:16	cbus	yeah
2024-06-11 17:06:18	raster	i havent used that actually since it came out
2024-06-11 17:06:24	cbus	last time was in pre-systemd days :P
2024-06-11 17:06:31	cbus	I think it was the e17laptop
2024-06-11 17:06:33	raster	my arch systems have all been stable and running along nicely
2024-06-11 17:06:38	raster	(all with e of course) :)
2024-06-11 17:06:54	raster	shoenot:  in some cases the layer actually optimizes better than windows
2024-06-11 17:06:57	cbus	not sure how many abstraction layer d3d is behind
2024-06-11 17:07:15	raster	and linux tends to be better about cpu scheduling and handling thus you tend to get more out of your cpu
2024-06-11 17:07:19	cbus	hard to compare abstraction layers behind drivers and everything
2024-06-11 17:07:22	raster	also disk i/o tends to be better on linux
2024-06-11 17:07:43	raster	if you have steam games...  just try it
2024-06-11 17:07:45	raster	simple
2024-06-11 17:07:56	cbus	yeah, just like raster sais, it is a couple of clicks
2024-06-11 17:08:00	raster	install steam client. download your fave win games on linux - enable proton compat and try.
2024-06-11 17:08:02	shoenot	cbus: arch comes with bare minimum out of the box so lowkey i would suggest you make a manifest of what you have installed on your current setup and figure out what packages you need on the new system. for me the biggest pain about switching to arch when i first did it back in 2014 ish was the amount of things i took for granted that i then realized i had to install a separate package for lol
2024-06-11 17:08:14	raster	you'll find out how well it works then. :)
2024-06-11 17:08:56	cbus	yeah, but everything already exists I think so should be a smooth switch
2024-06-11 17:09:13	raster	cbus: if it were me i'd just install a fresh minimal arch
2024-06-11 17:09:18	raster	and install things as you find you need them
2024-06-11 17:09:23	raster	its pretty painless
2024-06-11 17:09:25	teraflops	yeah
2024-06-11 17:09:27	cbus	yeah, thats what I p;lan
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2024-06-11 17:09:35	raster	one of these days i'm going to make a gui pacman front-end...
2024-06-11 17:09:38	demonicmaniac1	not just for games tho, look at blender as the prime example or gcc/clang - any throughput workloads usually are easily 10%+ faster on linux if not more
2024-06-11 17:09:40	cbus	and keep the manjaro install for dualboot if needed
2024-06-11 17:09:43	raster	... once i finish my filemanager rewrite
2024-06-11 17:09:50	raster	and about 28734 other things
2024-06-11 17:10:15	raster	cbus: bah - no need to dual boot arch+manjaro
2024-06-11 17:10:20	shoenot	raster: i just might tbh. i don’t know what game to try though lol, i’ve been using mostly xbox game pass for the last however many years. also i have an nvidia gpu and am on wayland so that ought to complicate some things
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2024-06-11 17:10:26	raster	pacman -Q > my-packages.txt
2024-06-11 17:10:27	demonicmaniac1	raster: i thought via packagekit and stuff you can already use existing gui stuff for pacman?
2024-06-11 17:10:35	raster	save that file - keep it as reference if u need something :)
2024-06-11 17:10:50	raster	demonicmaniac1: pkgkit seems to slowly bitrot :)
2024-06-11 17:10:59	shoenot	minimal install with what raster said is the way to go
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2024-06-11 17:11:06	shoenot	add as you need
2024-06-11 17:11:15	raster	demonicmaniac1: and i'm thinking more something like synaptic ... ie less simple :)
2024-06-11 17:11:17	shoenot	i only say to keep a list of packag
2024-06-11 17:11:29	shoenot	es so you’re not caught by surprise when something doesn’t open
2024-06-11 17:12:07	shoenot	does game pass work on linux?
2024-06-11 17:12:18	raster	shoenot: nvidia... my sympathies. :( they have done better and come to the table for wl, tho x works fine ... tho in general. not saying specifically for nv ...
2024-06-11 17:12:25	demonicmaniac1	fair enough
2024-06-11 17:12:33	raster	but i gave up on nvidia like 7 or so years ago... got tired of stuff breaking.
2024-06-11 17:12:37	cbus	how bad is nvidia in arch?
2024-06-11 17:12:53	raster	beware kernel updates
2024-06-11 17:12:55	teraflops	or how well ;)
2024-06-11 17:13:25	demonicmaniac1	it kind of boils down whether your stuff is new enough to work with the nvidia-open with most features
2024-06-11 17:13:28	cbus	currently on a 5700 xt so am good :D
2024-06-11 17:13:57	shoenot	raster: i will happily buy an AMD graphics card when they have something as good as what nvidia offers at my price points
2024-06-11 17:13:57	demonicmaniac1	then it's acceptablish compared to a year+ back
2024-06-11 17:14:29	raster	6800xt here... and it works just fine. i did get this card like 2-3y back in the middle of pandemic
2024-06-11 17:14:34	raster	so still going strong
2024-06-11 17:14:58	shoenot	i’m all for standing by my ideology but i’m already a hypocrite running windows for shitty EA/ubisoft games lol, nvidia just allows me to enjoy them for cheaper
2024-06-11 17:14:59	cbus	been thinking of a new gpu though because I recently got into DCS World (flight sim)
2024-06-11 17:15:28	demonicmaniac1	in all fairness if all you want to do is game amd pricepoint is fine for the features/perf - but their efficiency isn't as hot
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2024-06-11 17:15:40	raster	cbus: likely all the amd's will do just fine for that
2024-06-11 17:15:52	cbus	ppl do recommend nvidia for vr headsets though 
2024-06-11 17:15:52	demonicmaniac1	they're cheaper than nvidia for better raster less efficiency and no dlss3/etc
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2024-06-11 17:16:07	cbus	but will probably ignore it and go amd and no vr :)
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2024-06-11 17:16:13	raster	demonicmaniac1:  indeed i am better :)
2024-06-11 17:16:18	demonicmaniac1	otoh rocm is a clusterfuck but at least it seems amd is putting work into it in the last year
2024-06-11 17:16:43	demonicmaniac1	but if you wanna optix in blender or w/e then amd simply doesn't have anything yet, HIP in blender is still horrific :/
2024-06-11 17:16:48	raster	i just need gpu for compositing, web, games. so it works.
2024-06-11 17:16:53	shoenot	do yall think gaming is gonna switch over to ARM anytime in the next 10-15 years?
2024-06-11 17:16:55	demonicmaniac1	for compute you're actually better off with intel and oneapi
2024-06-11 17:17:09	raster	shoenot: YES!
2024-06-11 17:17:11	shoenot	i think everyone’s making a massive push for ARM so i can lowkey see it happening
2024-06-11 17:17:18	teraflops	shoenot: sure
2024-06-11 17:17:31	raster	shoenot: (but i'm biased ... i am required to say yes to keep my salary going) :)
2024-06-11 17:17:44	demonicmaniac1	why would it when arm is actually implementing all the proton like stuff in hardware?
2024-06-11 17:17:44	shoenot	raster: what do u do lol
2024-06-11 17:17:54	raster	shoenot: i'm a director at arm.
2024-06-11 17:17:59	demonicmaniac1	gaming dosn't need to anything, they have hw translation layers and software translation layers
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2024-06-11 17:18:00	shoenot	oh lmfao
2024-06-11 17:18:03	teraflops	there are already laptops running linux (linaro) on new qualcomm elite x chips 
2024-06-11 17:18:05	cbus	oh, cool
2024-06-11 17:18:25	shoenot	demonicmaniac1: yeah, and having used an M1 mac at work…. holy shit the performance is *insane*
2024-06-11 17:18:31	raster	i've been very much focusing on getting our open gpu driver story into shape (for mali gpus)
2024-06-11 17:18:37	cbus	I think ARM is the future
2024-06-11 17:18:38	shoenot	and that’s running on an emulator layer
2024-06-11 17:18:44	raster	beep pulling puppet strings for years on that so far
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2024-06-11 17:19:32	raster	at least geekbench numbers would say a laptop snapdragon x1 would outperform my desktop amd 5950x ...
2024-06-11 17:19:32	demonicmaniac1	just a friendly reminder that an ISA does not make anything better or worse - the ISA doesn't make a difference, it's an actual hw implementation and production node
2024-06-11 17:19:40	demonicmaniac1	raster: geekbench has never been of any use
2024-06-11 17:19:44	demonicmaniac1	for actual real world perf
2024-06-11 17:19:48	raster	i have to say that's impressive .. on paper at least
2024-06-11 17:19:56	teraflops	shoenot: imagine asahi bringing support for vulkan on silicon chips
2024-06-11 17:20:04	shoenot	demonicmaniac1: oh for sure, it’s mostly just industry inertia keeping us on windows (and x86 as a result)
2024-06-11 17:20:06	demonicmaniac1	microbenchmarks in cache and ondie memory running for 10ms
2024-06-11 17:20:07	raster	demonicmaniac1: cant comment on real qworld as all i have is those to go by so far :)
2024-06-11 17:20:15	raster	we'll find out real world  suage soon enough
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2024-06-11 17:20:22	demonicmaniac1	sure just saying geekbench overall has NEVER been representative
2024-06-11 17:20:32	raster	but having used some much older snapdragon 4xx's - they perform very very well
2024-06-11 17:20:34	raster	gpu too
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2024-06-11 17:20:36	demonicmaniac1	it's like looking at generic 3dmark and then the best 3dmark score gpus perform 40% worse in games
2024-06-11 17:20:40	raster	anmd the gpu works with the oss drivers...\
2024-06-11 17:20:49	raster	so i'm going to extrapolate...
2024-06-11 17:21:10	demonicmaniac1	7c was touted as the intel and amd killer a few years back if people remember
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2024-06-11 17:21:23	demonicmaniac1	and it didn't even compete with the then intel atom in perf or efficiency
2024-06-11 17:21:37	umaxtu	I'm not inherently opposed to moving to arm. if I can upgrade the RAM and install non windows operating systems
2024-06-11 17:21:39	demonicmaniac1	i don't trust anything without 3rd party independent benchmarks :)
2024-06-11 17:21:57	shoenot	i saw a youtube video the other day about the invention of ARM and how it ran on waste power lol, that stuff was fascinating
2024-06-11 17:22:11	umaxtu	lowspecgamer?
2024-06-11 17:22:12	shoenot	demonicmaniac1: well just have to wait and see for when the copilot laptops come out
2024-06-11 17:22:18	shoenot	umaxtu: i believe so
2024-06-11 17:22:22	shoenot	also holy shit max hi
2024-06-11 17:22:27	shoenot	i didn’t realize you were here
2024-06-11 17:22:32	shoenot	been forever
2024-06-11 17:22:40	teraflops	demonicmaniac1: I do agree about benchmarks
2024-06-11 17:22:40	umaxtu	it has been
2024-06-11 17:22:45	demonicmaniac1	i mean the intel 8088 also ran on 0.001w :)
2024-06-11 17:22:53	raster	shoenot: yeah. thats a true story. it's told again and again in the corridors of arm :)
2024-06-11 17:23:02	raster	ie - dont forget where you came from...
2024-06-11 17:23:22	shoenot	i hope risc-v also takes off
2024-06-11 17:23:33	raster	tho we've got some crazy srtuff in mordern designs now
2024-06-11 17:23:34	demonicmaniac1	i love arm myself, the cortex m0+ are the best things ever happening to get rid of the horrific arduino 8bit stuff for embedded :P
2024-06-11 17:23:40	shoenot	china seems to be doing good work with it, though i haven’t really paid attention
2024-06-11 17:23:43	raster	like SME .. like 2kb worth of registers for that puppy
2024-06-11 17:24:18	demonicmaniac1	and thumb2 was so cool for embedded too
2024-06-11 17:24:22	umaxtu	tenstorrent is using risc-v as well. With Jim Keller in charge
2024-06-11 17:24:45	demonicmaniac1	risc-v sadly is a massive clusterfuck because you have 1000 different baselines and extensions
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2024-06-11 17:25:09	demonicmaniac1	if you think arm is a mess with v6/7/8 neon1/2 vfsp sme then riscv is around 100x worse
2024-06-11 17:25:25	umaxtu	it definitely needs time to settle down
2024-06-11 17:25:26	demonicmaniac1	with 32bit int only int+fp 64bit int only +fp no simd at all, some simd, more simd, etcpp
2024-06-11 17:25:37	raster	mind you the clusterfuck has been tamed these days mostly
2024-06-11 17:25:44	raster	neon is a baseline minumum for v8+
2024-06-11 17:25:50	raster	v9 sets a new baseline minimum
2024-06-11 17:25:54	demonicmaniac1	on arm yes thankfully
2024-06-11 17:26:03	demonicmaniac1	also no 3 different simd/fp implementations
2024-06-11 17:26:15	raster	32bit is well on its way out the door. server arm impl dont even bother with it.
2024-06-11 17:26:30	demonicmaniac1	arm11 was kinda the worst time for that on arm heh
2024-06-11 17:26:37	raster	SVE takes neon and cranks it up to a max of 2048bits wide
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2024-06-11 17:26:54	raster	SVE2 and SME bump al of that up even more
2024-06-11 17:27:02	raster	but its built ion top of a very capable base
2024-06-11 17:27:09	demonicmaniac1	that's what fujitsu did right? for their supercomputer
2024-06-11 17:27:22	demonicmaniac1	which is pretty much a copy of the shinwei designs which are mips tho
2024-06-11 17:27:24	raster	they implemented a very small 512bit SVE
2024-06-11 17:27:32	demonicmaniac1	super simple basic cores + massive simd
2024-06-11 17:27:33	raster	SVE instructions are variable bit width for regs
2024-06-11 17:27:48	demonicmaniac1	just that the shinwei already were 2048 i believe
2024-06-11 17:27:53	raster	you query it at runtime with instructions and thus adapt accordingly in the code without much fuss
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2024-06-11 17:28:29	demonicmaniac1	hmhm so like whether you run an instruction as sse/avx/avx512 registers on intel
2024-06-11 17:28:31	raster	its meant to stop the churn like MMX->MMX2->SSE->...->AVX512
2024-06-11 17:28:35	demonicmaniac1	128/256/512
2024-06-11 17:28:48	raster	ie do it once and its auto-adapting
2024-06-11 17:28:59	raster	(with sve)
2024-06-11 17:29:25	demonicmaniac1	fair tho you do need to worry about things like aligning still
2024-06-11 17:29:43	demonicmaniac1	must be insanely complex under the hood
2024-06-11 17:29:56	raster	SME went silly and extended registerts to about 2kb worth of them for stuffing quite big matrices in there for multiplication
2024-06-11 17:30:55	raster	anyway... it's good to have competition to amd and intel.
2024-06-11 17:31:01	raster	keeps them on their toes.
2024-06-11 17:31:03	demonicmaniac1	absolutely
2024-06-11 17:31:10	raster	in the end users will benefit.
2024-06-11 17:31:27	demonicmaniac1	my main gripe is when people claim any isa is better, an isa and "overhead" decoding is nonexistent. it's hw implementation
2024-06-11 17:31:44	demonicmaniac1	like from a personal view i enjoy mips the most asm wise but it's not "better"
2024-06-11 17:31:45	raster	either x86 eventually dies and you have maybe 3 or 4 or 5 major arm chip vendors fighting it out for your wallet on laptops/desktops/servers - so competition within an arch
2024-06-11 17:32:06	raster	or it'll be arm vs x86 and each one-upping the other in either perf or perf per watt or something else.
2024-06-11 17:33:05	raster	and from isa .. cisc and risc are largely converging from different ends. arm has added some quite complex instructions just as reality of getting more perf and keeping up.
2024-06-11 17:33:21	raster	arm has to do complex instruction fusion like x86 has to
2024-06-11 17:33:27	raster	there is a decode step there to do that
2024-06-11 17:33:41	demonicmaniac1	ever since arm has gone OoO pretty much there's no disctinction and since 686 intel hasn't been cisc in any way
2024-06-11 17:33:46	raster	though arm does have the edge on decode complexity. it's simpler and that helps for power
2024-06-11 17:34:10	raster	but it comes at a cost of slightly less compact encoding in ram - thus less cache effectiveness of instruction caches
2024-06-11 17:34:14	demonicmaniac1	sure but that hasn't mattered since maybe 2012 when it was 0.01% of the die area of a complex chip
2024-06-11 17:34:20	raster	so it's give and take.
2024-06-11 17:34:34	demonicmaniac1	it mattered for cortex M and R sub 1w designs
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2024-06-11 17:35:16	demonicmaniac1	and that's what thumb2 was so great for for instruction size and simple decode ;)
2024-06-11 17:35:22	demonicmaniac1	i miss it
2024-06-11 17:35:24	raster	if you ever have to read asm to debug.. arm certainly is far saner ... but 99.99% of devs never have to :)
2024-06-11 17:35:47	demonicmaniac1	oh i fully agree intel syntax x86 asm is a nightmare
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2024-06-11 17:35:57	shoenot	sorry off topic a little bit but are most games these days made with native vulkan support? i recall seeing it thrown around a lot
2024-06-11 17:36:01	demonicmaniac1	and the new vex instruction being what, 512 to 1024 bits?
2024-06-11 17:36:06	raster	shoenot:  no.
2024-06-11 17:36:22	raster	well i qualif that
2024-06-11 17:36:27	raster	games for windows....
2024-06-11 17:36:30	raster	qualify that
2024-06-11 17:36:32	demonicmaniac1	at some point if x86 doesn't drop old shit new extensions will go into the 2048 bit instruction size hell
2024-06-11 17:36:44	shoenot	raster: wdym?
2024-06-11 17:36:48	raster	they will use vk on consoles ... :)
2024-06-11 17:36:54	demonicmaniac1	shoenot: middleware all has vulkan backends for a long time
2024-06-11 17:36:54	shoenot	games for windows hasn’t been a thing in forever
2024-06-11 17:37:03	shoenot	don’t they already use vulkan on consoles?
2024-06-11 17:37:07	raster	shoenot:  xbox and windows - same platform really
2024-06-11 17:37:11	demonicmaniac1	shoenot: games for xbox need to use dx
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2024-06-11 17:37:24	raster	xbox literally is x for directx...
2024-06-11 17:37:28	demonicmaniac1	it's a microsoft mandate since the xbox uses a weird subset of dx only and no vulkan drivers
2024-06-11 17:37:46	demonicmaniac1	anything uwp has to be dx too
2024-06-11 17:37:55	raster	so dx on xbox+win, other consoles will be vk (or gl)
2024-06-11 17:38:01	demonicmaniac1	no opengles either that's why they have angle as a wrapper around gles
2024-06-11 17:38:27	demonicmaniac1	ps5 also isn't vulkan directly but specific subset - sony always has been a bit weird
2024-06-11 17:38:34	raster	well yeah
2024-06-11 17:38:37	demonicmaniac1	they were "mostly" gl since ps3 but not really
2024-06-11 17:38:44	raster	but like xbox - its still a vk engine
2024-06-11 17:38:46	raster	and a dx engine
2024-06-11 17:38:51	raster	tyou deal with the quirky subset a bit
2024-06-11 17:38:54	demonicmaniac1	yeah the middleware does all the nitty gritty
2024-06-11 17:38:58	raster	yeah
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2024-06-11 17:39:31	shoenot	okay so help me understand this… do game devs not pick whether they do directx or vulkan? they pick something to build on top of and that middleware uses one of those?
2024-06-11 17:39:33	raster	but that means you primarily have 2 stacks - vk or dx.
2024-06-11 17:39:52	raster	so game engines support both generally - if they have to target consoles.
2024-06-11 17:40:24	raster	i'd argue a lot of game devs dont even do that. they use unreal or unity or some other pre-made game engine
2024-06-11 17:40:35	raster	yes - there are other in-house engines around and some others too
2024-06-11 17:40:41	demonicmaniac1	shoenot: middleware generally supports either. but middleware isn't perfect. since xbox mandates directx and oftentimes vulkan drivers on windows are worse than dx drivers due to legacy hell and ms not liking competition they only support dx on pc
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2024-06-11 17:40:59	demonicmaniac1	it's about whether you want to support a minimum or everything possible and ofc they choose the minimum 
2024-06-11 17:41:47	raster	but i think we reached an inflection point where a game engine is now so complex just for rendering that it is becoming increasingly harder/rarer to write one. re-use an existing one. if an existing one stops keeping up it'll be replaced by those that do.
2024-06-11 17:41:53	demonicmaniac1	it's the same logic as supporting linux native when you can just say use proton :P
2024-06-11 17:42:17	raster	proton almost obviates the need
2024-06-11 17:42:19	demonicmaniac1	everything on windows has a directx driver so just use directx - it's just easier for the devs
2024-06-11 17:42:33	raster	mind you if you use unity or unreal - they should take care of that for you in theory...
2024-06-11 17:42:42	raster	though unreal has been a bit laggy about that...
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2024-06-11 17:42:54	demonicmaniac1	IF you don't do platform specific shit
2024-06-11 17:43:10	demonicmaniac1	the issue is that a lot of things still required platform specific shit for perf/effects/we
2024-06-11 17:43:26	demonicmaniac1	things like dlss weren't supported on other platforms for the longest time or reflex or w/e
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2024-06-11 17:43:40	raster	tho that is solving itself over time :)
2024-06-11 17:43:46	demonicmaniac1	if you write something simple basic then yes - if you try to optimize for perf and platform specific features then no
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2024-06-11 17:44:28	demonicmaniac1	consoles are just beautiful because it's ONE hardware to software stack never changing always identical behaviour
2024-06-11 17:45:01	shoenot	demonicmaniac1: that’s why i fucking hate it when people recommend computers to people asking what console they should buy lol
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2024-06-11 17:45:13	shoenot	some people just want to plug it into their TV and play video gaem
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2024-06-11 17:45:13	shoenot	some people just want to plug it into their TV and play video gaem
2024-06-11 17:45:36	demonicmaniac1	shoenot: oh i meant from a dev perspective. for consumers there's other aspects like prices/sales limited storage for games nowadays
2024-06-11 17:46:04	demonicmaniac1	i firmly stick to my ps1 and ps2 and dreamcast and i refuse to get a console that requires me to update firmware and download patches :P
2024-06-11 17:46:13	demonicmaniac1	disc in and go
2024-06-11 17:46:31	shoenot	i say this as a PC gamer for the last 10 ish years. i’ve also owned a ps4 that i think i’ve turned on with the purpose of playing a video game probably less than 200 times since i bought it
2024-06-11 17:46:35	demonicmaniac1	modern consoles are still better than computers for gaming but for me the time of online ness has killed consoles
2024-06-11 17:46:45	shoenot	was mostly a glorified netflix machine
2024-06-11 17:47:36	demonicmaniac1	i'd say if you want to play BIG games consoles are better because you know what you get in visual/quality
2024-06-11 17:47:37	raster	shoenot: and for as whole you tv itself has been capable of being a netflix machine...
2024-06-11 17:47:38	espresso	with some friends I always preferred PCs, and VK would be my choice cross-platform backend for the immediate future. (https://github.com/google/filament offers that and GL)
2024-06-11 17:47:48	shoenot	demonicmaniac1: the online ness and the lack of exclusives. game development cycles have gotten ridiculously long (great for the devs, awful for consumers tbh)
2024-06-11 17:47:50	raster	you dont even need to plug anything into your tv for that :)
2024-06-11 17:47:54	raster	(except power) :)
2024-06-11 17:48:06	shoenot	raster: this one didn’t it was a 4k screen from like 2010
2024-06-11 17:48:10	shoenot	none of the smart stuff
2024-06-11 17:48:14	demonicmaniac1	OMG dumb tv i want one!!!
2024-06-11 17:48:21	demonicmaniac1	nothing worse than a tv booting for 2 minutes
2024-06-11 17:48:38	raster	shoenot: well you'll need to get a bit newere than that :)
2024-06-11 17:48:50	shoenot	the one in my bedroom is smart and it fucking sucks. so much lag even to change the volume. which makes sense because apparently everything is on electron
2024-06-11 17:49:05	espresso	console renderers are often gimped specifically for console
2024-06-11 17:49:33	demonicmaniac1	espresso: for sure they also almost all do things like checkerboard rendering
2024-06-11 17:49:39	shoenot	my least favorite thing about my smart TV is remote (like the remote controller that i use with my hands) needs fucking updates
2024-06-11 17:49:53	shoenot	swear to god the number of times my remote has updated pissed me right off the bat
2024-06-11 17:50:21	espresso	demonicmaniac1: but I guess they gain consistency :)
2024-06-11 17:50:33	espresso	and/or stability
2024-06-11 17:51:26	shoenot	but i digress. game dev cycles are what’s messing with console sales, tbh. back in the day you’d get 3-4 installments of a game per generation. these days you’ll be lucky to get 1
2024-06-11 17:52:22	shoenot	elder scrolls and grand theft auto straight up skipped the ps4/xbone
2024-06-11 17:52:48	shoenot	you had 3 mass effects for the ps3 and one for the ps4
2024-06-11 17:53:05	shoenot	there was just.. MORE to play
2024-06-11 17:53:21	shoenot	same-y sequels or not
2024-06-11 17:53:47	shoenot	ps3 is probably my favorite gaming experience ever tbh
2024-06-11 17:54:13	shoenot	especially once it started maturing post-2010
2024-06-11 17:54:53	raster	once people wrapped their heads around the cell spu's ... :)
2024-06-11 17:55:16	shoenot	raster: yeah, pre-2010 the 360 was a no brainer
2024-06-11 17:55:51	shoenot	i got my ps3 in 2008 and i remember crying that i didn’t have an xbox a year later lol. then the games all start coming out
2024-06-11 17:55:56	shoenot	2011 was a fantastic year
2024-06-11 17:56:11	shoenot	probably my favorite year in gaming
2024-06-11 17:58:13	alad	#archlinux-offtopic bruderherz
2024-06-11 17:59:07	shoenot	my bad lol i got carried away
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2024-06-11 19:11:29	Donatzsky	Just downloadee
2024-06-11 19:12:04	Donatzsky	d the install ISO to rescue a broken system, but it seems to be lacking all tools
2024-06-11 19:12:34	gromit	Donatzsky: what exactly are you missing? 
2024-06-11 19:12:36	Donatzsky	Pretty much no matter the command, I get "sh: command: not found"
2024-06-11 19:13:13	Donatzsky	gromit: Some I have tried so far: lsblk, fdisk, systemctl, arch-chroot
2024-06-11 19:13:34	Scimmia	then you didn't boot the ISO
2024-06-11 19:13:34	Donatzsky	Not very useful :/
2024-06-11 19:13:54	Donatzsky	Well, I'm at a rootfs prompt
2024-06-11 19:14:13	Scimmia	it should be an archiso prompt
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2024-06-11 19:14:34	Donatzsky	It did complain about not finding a disk by UUID
2024-06-11 19:14:46	Scimmia	kinda important detail there
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2024-06-11 19:14:52	Scimmia	so you're stuck in the initramfs
2024-06-11 19:15:00	Donatzsky	Ah, that explains it
2024-06-11 19:15:27	Donatzsky	Any command to get things working?
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2024-06-11 19:15:36	Scimmia	how did you write the ISO to USB?
2024-06-11 19:16:02	Donatzsky	Booted through Ventoy
2024-06-11 19:16:37	Scimmia	I *think* the latest ventoy has fixed compatibility, are you on that?
2024-06-11 19:16:49	Donatzsky	Probably not. been a while
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2024-06-11 19:16:58	Scimmia	older ventoy won't work with the last couple ISOs
2024-06-11 19:17:30	Donatzsky	Better get it updated then
2024-06-11 19:17:32	Donatzsky	thanks
2024-06-11 19:17:45	Scimmia	I think that was a different error, though, but start there
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2024-06-11 19:22:14	shoenot	is there a script that allows me to play/pause music regardless of app? 
2024-06-11 19:22:36	shoenot	like how the play/pause button on a keyboard works on any app on windows/macos
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2024-06-11 19:24:19	Donatzsky	Scimmia: That was it. Old Ventoy
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2024-06-11 19:25:07	shoenot	nevermind found it, playerctl play/playerctl pause works
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2024-06-11 19:28:04	codebecile	What're opinions on yay  VS paru?
2024-06-11 19:28:19	codebecile	Cannot decidebetween the two.
2024-06-11 19:28:32	hackfoo	Can you build AUR packages on your own proficiently?
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2024-06-11 19:29:38	codebecile	I can, but I'd rather use an AUR helper.
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2024-06-11 19:31:40	hackfoo	I only have experience with yay when I bothered to use one at all, so...
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2024-06-11 19:43:32	shoenot	how do i escape an ampersand character in a string that may or may not have an ampersand? 
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2024-06-11 19:44:11	shoenot	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/fQTPs99F/image.png
2024-06-11 19:44:23	shoenot	this song title has an ampersand in it which makes it not show up on my bar lol
2024-06-11 19:44:37	shoenot	it works with other songs though
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2024-06-11 19:53:19	demonicmaniac1	codebecile: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR_helper#Comparison_tables
2024-06-11 19:53:23	@phrik	Title: AUR helpers - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-06-11 19:53:47	demonicmaniac1	anything with yes everywhere is just preference 
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2024-06-11 21:15:22	wayne__	Hi All - Anyone familiar with setting up VPN connection with Meraki firewalls?
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2024-06-11 21:16:42	emptyarray	..
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2024-06-11 21:17:07	emptyarray	ok I got my name right haha..I'll ask again.  Anyone familiar with VPN setup with Meraki?
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2024-06-11 21:17:58	emptyarray	well...basic vpn setup I guess. Are the only things I need to configure: xl2tpd and strongswan?
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2024-06-11 21:18:53	another|	what kind of vpn?
2024-06-11 21:18:55	MrElendig	this isn't cisco support
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2024-06-11 21:19:18	emptyarray	It's IPSEC
2024-06-11 21:19:50	emptyarray	I'm not asking for cisco support.  I bet you're a dream in real life.
2024-06-11 21:20:55	emptyarray	I want to make sure I'm reading the right docs. xl2tpd and strongswan. If I read up and configure that, it should be enough for l2tp with IPSEC?
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2024-06-11 21:21:01	Edu4rdSHL	Yes
2024-06-11 21:21:07	Edu4rdSHL	That's enough
2024-06-11 21:21:28	emptyarray	ok, thank you.  I was going down a openswan rabbit hole and then realized that was dumb.
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2024-06-11 21:47:57	MrAureliusR	is there any benefit to using zfs with a single drive, over say btrfs or ext4?
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2024-06-11 21:50:18	gromit	MrAureliusR: I mean you get all the ZFS features, so that really depends on what you're looking for 
2024-06-11 21:51:04	gromit	but ofc the other file systems are not out of tree modules which already saves you some hassle 
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2024-06-11 21:51:42	g4400	pfff micro inspecting
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2024-06-11 21:53:12	MrAureliusR	hmm
2024-06-11 21:53:30	MrAureliusR	yeah I forgot that zfs is not in tree
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2024-06-11 21:53:47	MrAureliusR	that will probably never happen from what I've heard, right?
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2024-06-11 21:55:56	gromit	MrAureliusR: I dont think so, the start of the wiki article has some background info https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ZFS
2024-06-11 21:55:57	@phrik	Title: ZFS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-11 21:56:13	gromit	phrik: Why are you opped? 😏
2024-06-11 21:56:14	@phrik	gromit: The answer is 42.
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2024-06-12 11:26:28	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-06-12 11:59:06	dumbledoor	Is there a yay command to clean all the build dependencies that have accumulating with each aur package I have installed through yay?
2024-06-12 12:01:23	Segaja	hello, is there a known issue that with latest update on lenovo T14 laptops the touchpad doesn't accept movement with one finger? I have to use two fingers
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2024-06-12 12:13:20	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-06-12 12:03:13	MrElendig	no
2024-06-12 12:05:56	MrElendig	dumbledoor: however its somewhat known for them to break in that way independently of the operating system used
2024-06-12 12:06:02	MrElendig	er.. Segaja ^
2024-06-12 12:06:51	Segaja	MrElendig: interesting. and that is a hardware failure?
2024-06-12 12:07:44	Antiz	dumbledoor: If they were strictly "build" dependencies, they should be marked as orphan packages on your package. So cleaning orphan packages should be enough
2024-06-12 12:07:46	MrElendig	Segaja: try powering off for a while, some people have fixed it by removing/replacing the battery too
2024-06-12 12:07:59	MrElendig	but for some its just permanently borked
2024-06-12 12:08:13	Antiz	dumbledoor: See https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Removing_unused_packages_(orphans)
2024-06-12 12:08:14	phrik	Title: pacman/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-12 12:08:22	MrElendig	Segaja: I assume its one of the newer t14's btw
2024-06-12 12:08:47	MrElendig	gen 3 or whatever the latest version is
2024-06-12 12:08:53	Segaja	i think so yeah but i don't know where i get the gen
2024-06-12 12:09:13	MrElendig	iirc the issue started with gen 3
2024-06-12 12:09:28	Antiz	dumbledoor: they should be marked as orphan packages on your -package +system
2024-06-12 12:11:29	Ena0	Hello!!:) Do you guys know how to change the color of the 'mouse hilight'? The color of the highlight when you left click on desktop and drag.
2024-06-12 12:11:34	Ena0	I'm on KDE plasma 6
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2024-06-12 12:15:02	Segaja	MrElendig: could it be a missing driver? but i haven't needed one for the past year since i have the laptop
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2024-06-12 12:15:28	MrElendig	Segaja: just thinkpad "quality"
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2024-06-12 12:16:27	dumbledoor	thanks Antiz
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2024-06-12 12:17:24	Antiz	dumbledoor: np :)
2024-06-12 12:17:39	Segaja	MrElendig: hm ok, is there any way to see on the system if it is broken or not? other then just trying to use it?
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2024-06-12 12:18:50	MrElendig	Segaja: boot windows off an usb stick and see if there is a firmware update for the pad
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2024-06-12 12:20:16	Segaja	MrElendig: wasn't there also linux tooling for firmware handling?
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2024-06-12 12:21:32	Segaja	fwupdmgr says no update for ELAN0676:00 04F3:3195
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2024-06-12 12:22:49	teraflops	sometimes with updates the name of a libinput property changes, it worth checking it e.g using xinput list-props device
2024-06-12 12:23:07	teraflops	it's worth^
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2024-06-12 12:26:11	solsTiCe	since the update of archlinux-keyrin yesterday, I got an error when i want ot update. "No key db found or readable" When loooking at the log the install of archlinux-keyring did not happe the right way. but with errors
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2024-06-12 12:27:43	solsTiCe	https://bpa.st/X4MQ
2024-06-12 12:27:44	phrik	Title: View paste X4MQ (at bpa.st)
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2024-06-12 17:06:41	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-06-12 12:45:49	pmattern	part
2024-06-12 13:02:12	ponies	!give solsTiCe fixkeyring 
2024-06-12 13:02:12	phrik	solsTiCe: Your keyring issue would be probably fixed by: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su
2024-06-12 13:02:18	ponies	!give solsTiCe fixkeyring2
2024-06-12 13:02:18	phrik	solsTiCe: If your keyring issue hasn't been fixed yet, try: rm -rf /etc/pacman.d/gnupg && pacman-key --init && pacman-key --populate && pacman-key --refresh-keys
2024-06-12 13:03:17	ArgyroNet	Hello everybody, if anyone minds to give a hand: my arch refuses to connect to wifi anymore, it first declined wifi but accepted my phone as wifi relay, and now declines everything
2024-06-12 13:03:46	ArgyroNet	I'm a bit confused on where to start looking, what could it be ?
2024-06-12 13:04:18	ponies	ArgyroNet: what are you using to connect?
2024-06-12 13:05:11	ArgyroNet	The network manager applet, software wise, and a usb key, hardware wise, ponies
2024-06-12 13:08:27	ponies	well, you should probably be able to connect via iwd, regardless of what NetworkManager does. Afraid i dont know much about NM itself 
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2024-06-12 17:41:47	arjab	Without changing anything ufw started blocking internet access for my virtual maschines managed with virt-manager. Anybody any idea, what could've caused this?
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2024-06-12 17:45:52	teraflops	arjab: what kind of network is this?
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2024-06-12 17:48:36	arjab	teraflops What do you mean?
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2024-06-12 17:49:22	teraflops	nat, bridge, macvtap?
2024-06-12 17:49:42	arjab	NAT
2024-06-12 17:50:19	teraflops	so the VMs are reaching the internet through host ip address, right?
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2024-06-12 17:51:17	arjab	They should, yes.
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2024-06-12 17:57:09	arjab	The firewall logs show that virbr0 is making connections in UDP ports 53 and 123. I allowed both, but that doesn't help.
2024-06-12 17:57:54	teraflops	arjab: can you ping internet addresses as in ping 8.8.8.8 from the guest machines?
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2024-06-12 18:00:16	arjab	teraflops No, I get "ping: connect: Network is unreachable".
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2024-06-12 18:00:48	teraflops	what OS is the guest?
2024-06-12 18:01:25	arjab	I tried Arch, Windows and now the Arch ISO.
2024-06-12 18:01:43	teraflops	checked network? can guests at least ping the host?
2024-06-12 18:02:15	arjab	No, not even that. I get the same error.
2024-06-12 18:02:25	teraflops	then is not about not having internet
2024-06-12 18:02:33	teraflops	you do not have network
2024-06-12 18:03:19	teraflops	tried stopping the firewall?
2024-06-12 18:03:33	arjab	Okay, but why? :D And yes, wenn disabling ufw it does work.
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2024-06-12 18:04:09	teraflops	ok just cheking
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2024-06-12 18:04:17	arjab	Thanks!
2024-06-12 18:04:22	teraflops	idk what rules do you have set up
2024-06-12 18:04:43	Namarrgon	The host OS is arch?
2024-06-12 18:05:17	arjab	Host is Arch yes.
2024-06-12 18:05:36	arjab	!paste
2024-06-12 18:05:36	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-06-12 18:06:11	Namarrgon	Were any packages updated between it working and not working?
2024-06-12 18:06:31	arjab	teraflops ufw rules https://paste.rs/CY9vO.txt
2024-06-12 18:06:33	phrik	Title: Source Code | CY9vO | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
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2024-06-12 18:07:02	arjab	Namarrgon I guess, but I can't recall which. Let me check my logs.
2024-06-12 18:07:12	teraflops	arjab: what ip address have the guest?
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2024-06-12 18:07:21	teraflops	has^
2024-06-12 18:07:41	Namarrgon	"Without changing anything"
2024-06-12 18:08:02	arjab	teraflops When it's working, so when the firewall is disabled the guest's IP is 192.168.122.101.
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2024-06-12 18:08:50	arjab	Namarrgon C'mon I update daily and just realized the issue now. I haven't changed the VMs nor the firewall. No need to be sassy about it.
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2024-06-12 18:09:18	Namarrgon	Yes but saying that nothing has changed and it still stopped working is incorrect.
2024-06-12 18:09:19	teraflops	I cannot see that ip allowed in your rules
2024-06-12 18:10:06	arjab	teraflops I haven't had my VMs IPs explicitly allowed in the past either. But I try to allow it.
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2024-06-12 18:54:01	emptyarray	Hey All - I'm trying to build openswan from AUR with issues.  I've tried using yay as well as manually running makepkg -si. I've noticed in both instances I see lots of repeated "warning: "_FORTIFY_SOURCE" redefined" and then by the end it errors out with "error making: openswan-exit status 1
2024-06-12 18:54:01	emptyarray	 -> Failed to install the following packages. Manual intervention is required:
2024-06-12 18:54:01	emptyarray	openswan - exit status 1"  I also tried downloading the build from openswan.org..didn't see errors but when I run "ipsec verify" it errors out "print "\t[%s%s%s]"%(FAIL,rtext,ENDC)SyntaxError: Missing parentheses in call to 'print'. Did you mean print(...)?"
2024-06-12 18:54:40	grawity	why, first of all, are you trying to build openswan?
2024-06-12 18:54:46	emptyarray	I've looked around and don't see a _FORTIFY_SOURCE anywhere.  That last error almost makes me think it's that I have py3 instead of py2?
2024-06-12 18:54:54	grawity	instead of something that is actually maintained?
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2024-06-12 18:55:15	emptyarray	even better...you got an alternative for l2tp with ipsec?
2024-06-12 18:55:29	emptyarray	all I've seen is either networkmanager-l2tp or openswan, no?
2024-06-12 18:55:40	emptyarray	strongswan is for servers as far as I can tell
2024-06-12 18:55:42	grawity	for the ipsec part, any other IKEv1 implementation will do -- strongswan is fine, libreswan will also work
2024-06-12 18:55:58	grawity	ipsec does not really have "servers" as such, it's a bit like wireguard in that regard
2024-06-12 18:56:21	grawity	so all of them work as either client side or as server side
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2024-06-12 18:56:51	emptyarray	gotcha, thanks.  I'll check them out.  Guess I read it wrong.  I tried libreswan yesterday but had issues with that damn thing too
2024-06-12 18:56:54	grawity	then, for the l2tp part, probably xl2tpd
2024-06-12 18:56:55	emptyarray	I'll try again
2024-06-12 18:57:09	emptyarray	yea, I'm using xl2tpd for that
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2024-06-12 18:57:36	emptyarray	problem is I'm connecting to meraki and it's a pain in the...hahaha
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2024-06-12 19:03:21	Numero	is there anything in arch with kde/plasma that does anything to manipulate monitor brightness?
2024-06-12 19:03:36	solsTiCe	ponies: yes. I did the last command. But if you read the log I posted, you will see that it is archlinux-keyring pacakge that failed to install and caused the trouble. Well it's fixed so you can ignore tthis if you want
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2024-06-12 19:04:04	grawity	Numero: in general? dcc/ci tools are available, but haven't any idea about whether there are KDE integrations for that
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2024-06-12 19:06:13	Numero	grawity: i've just disabled ddc/ci support in this one of two monitors to see if that will help. brightness keeps changing without me changing it
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2024-06-12 19:08:32	nshp	Numero: yes, kde does have built in brightness control stuff, and yes it does strange things by default
2024-06-12 19:08:48	nshp	look in your kde settings, or you can add a brightness widget to your panel to control it
2024-06-12 19:10:08	nshp	settings > power management is where you can control the automatic-ness
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2024-06-12 19:12:23	Numero	nshp: there is no "power mgt" but there's "Energy Saving" with a slider under "display anbd brightness" labeled "change screen brightness" whose enable box is unchecked
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2024-06-12 19:13:13	nshp	then not sure, disabling that is what fixed it for me
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2024-06-12 19:38:32	hackfoo	Numero: This probably won't help, but sometimes the GUI's representation of what a setting currently is, and what the system thinks the setting currently is, don't match. Check the box, then uncheck it again.
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2024-06-12 19:42:00	Numero	hackfoo: i just checked it, move the slider, clicked apply, and nothing happened so i think i'm golden 
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2024-06-12 20:04:33	MiraSkies	can a PKGBUILD instruct pacman that a package cannot be installed with another certain package?
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2024-06-12 20:08:32	MiraSkies	teraflops: ah yeah
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2024-06-12 20:12:18	Antiz	gpanders: 👋 About your orphan request for neovim-git, since you're now a co-maintainer of the package, can I close it?
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2024-06-12 20:13:58	gpanders	Antiz: fine with me. Not sure how this usually works, but will the "primary" maintainer eventually be removed if they continue to be absent?
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2024-06-12 20:14:41	Antiz	gpanders: Well, are they still absent?
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2024-06-12 20:14:53	Antiz	gpanders: Who put you as a co-maintainer? Not them?
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2024-06-12 20:15:33	gpanders	as far as I know they are still absent. I have not heard anything from them. I do not know who made me co-maintainer, I received an email one day from notify@aur.archlinux.org.
2024-06-12 20:16:40	gpanders	is it only maintainers who can add co-maintainers? If so then I suppose it must have been them. But I'm not sure
2024-06-12 20:17:13	Antiz	gpanders: I can see they connected yesterday so they are not MIA (despite the absence of answers)... I assumed they put you as a co-maintainer but I can be wrong.
2024-06-12 20:17:35	Antiz	"is it only maintainers who can add co-maintainers?" <-- Only the primary maintainer or AUR staff
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2024-06-12 20:18:53	gpanders	Sounds good. Thanks for following up.
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2024-06-12 20:21:12	Antiz	gpanders: Hummm... So they connected yesterday but haven't posted any comment nor updated any package recently (despite one being flagged out of date). So 🤷
2024-06-12 20:21:44	Antiz	Let me ask on our side if someone added you as a co-maintainer. If that's the case, I'll promote you as the primary maintainer (if that's fine by you).
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2024-06-12 20:21:52	gpanders	yep, fine by me
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2024-06-12 20:22:24	Antiz	Alright, I'll come back to you. Can I PM you (so I don't "spam" #archlinux with that specific topic)?
2024-06-12 20:22:41	gpanders	yes
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2024-06-12 20:42:13	hwrd	I've got this issue where my audio stops working if I leave my computer idle for a while (not even sleep)... and it won't come back until I turn my monitor off, and then back on. I'm on pulse + pipewire... anyone see this issue before?
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2024-06-12 20:58:52	demure	hwrd: are you using any fancy powersaving tools like tlp, etc?
2024-06-12 20:59:42	hwrd	demure I had powertop installed, but I hadn't configured anything
2024-06-12 20:59:47	hwrd	s/had/have
2024-06-12 21:00:49	demure	might be worth checking what's in the default conf and if others have had similar audio issues with it. recall having seen similar issues with usb ports needing rules removed from powersave services to prevent headaches
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2024-06-12 21:10:59	hwrd	ah, thanks
2024-06-12 21:11:02	hwrd	will check that out
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2024-06-13 17:01:19	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-06-13 17:01:19	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1461 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1461 regular)
2024-06-13 04:12:46	shoenot	seems like it’s mostly unnecessary
2024-06-13 04:15:48	Scimmia	Generally I want to run things on Arch, not load a separate userspace OS to run things in
2024-06-13 04:23:26	virtualsid	it's just a fancy jail. I mean, I don't use flatpaks or snaps or whatever, but I'm not sure I see the big deal?
2024-06-13 04:24:11	virtualsid	choice is okay, being forced though, I'd have an issue with :)
2024-06-13 04:24:58	virtualsid	oh poo. I thought I was -offtopic. please don't let me bring this topic further off course. MY bad.
2024-06-13 04:26:15	Betal	or just use firejail, and enable for the software you want to sandbox
2024-06-13 09:00:09	uuidNuniq	what?
2024-06-13 09:00:51	uuidNuniq	silent for 4 hours?
2024-06-13 09:01:05	uuidNuniq	doesn't look like ARCH
2024-06-13 09:01:27	stewi	hey be quiet we're having a moment
2024-06-13 09:01:50	uuidNuniq	what moment
2024-06-13 09:01:58	stewi	quiet one
2024-06-13 09:02:26	stewi	meditation
2024-06-13 09:02:29	stewi	I joke
2024-06-13 09:02:38	stewi	it is unusual
2024-06-13 09:30:10	eoli3n	Hi
2024-06-13 09:30:14	eoli3n	new laptop, new install
2024-06-13 09:30:24	eoli3n	i can't get why battery is locked to 78%
2024-06-13 09:30:25	eoli3n	https://0x0.st/XcSh.txt
2024-06-13 09:30:51	eoli3n	laptop is docked to native hp dock
2024-06-13 09:31:38	BrainDamage	see if you have charge tresholds set somehow
2024-06-13 09:32:29	eoli3n	where could it be set ?
2024-06-13 09:33:43	eoli3n	nothing name "treshold" in /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/
2024-06-13 09:34:05	eoli3n	https://0x0.st/XcSC.txt
2024-06-13 09:34:33	eoli3n	and using sway
2024-06-13 09:34:44	eoli3n	(not gnome which seems to have that kind of feature)
2024-06-13 09:36:09	ponies	wow -- the upower man pages are UNHELPFUL, STUPID heh
2024-06-13 09:36:56	ponies	i suspicious of upower trying to throttle your charging. although i have no evidence eoli3n 
2024-06-13 09:40:08	ponies	eoli3n: try disabling the daemon? 
2024-06-13 09:41:04	ponies	we should fork away from freedesktop.org and create another bureaucracy which sucks less 
2024-06-13 09:41:42	eoli3n	stopped, disabled
2024-06-13 09:41:49	eoli3n	let's reboot to see if anything changes
2024-06-13 09:42:02	eoli3n	(for now, nothing)
2024-06-13 09:44:24	eoli3n	let's wait a bit, but seems to still be stucked at 78
2024-06-13 09:46:27	BrainDamage	try to let it charge with the OS off
2024-06-13 09:46:40	BrainDamage	as in, shut down your computer, let it charge, see if it goes further
2024-06-13 09:46:54	eoli3n	ok, how much time to be sure that it's relevant
2024-06-13 09:46:58	eoli3n	5 min is enough ?
2024-06-13 09:47:12	BrainDamage	give it a good 20-30 min
2024-06-13 09:47:23	eoli3n	so i will do it during lunch time
2024-06-13 09:48:09	BrainDamage	if it doesn't charge, then it's either a value that's saved in hw, or something's broken
2024-06-13 09:48:20	eoli3n	i'll check uefi 
2024-06-13 09:48:46	BrainDamage	iirc there's a command to dump the efi vars
2024-06-13 09:48:50	BrainDamage	you might want to check that
2024-06-13 09:49:02	eoli3n	let's check
2024-06-13 09:49:16	eoli3n	i'm also checking if firmware is up to date with fwupd
2024-06-13 09:50:01	BrainDamage	mind you, with "something's broken", I don't mean necessarily the battery itself
2024-06-13 09:50:08	BrainDamage	eg the charge measurement circuit can be off
2024-06-13 09:50:20	eoli3n	ok, laptop is out of the box
2024-06-13 09:50:25	BrainDamage	you should also try a cycle of charge/discharge
2024-06-13 09:50:38	eoli3n	good idea
2024-06-13 09:50:49	eoli3n	Upgrade UEFI dbx from 217 to 371?
2024-06-13 09:51:08	eoli3n	and Upgrade USB-C Dock G5 from 1.0.16.0 to 1.0.20.0?
2024-06-13 09:51:16	eoli3n	so, maybe those are a thing too
2024-06-13 09:51:31	BrainDamage	I don't have good insight on that, you might want to read the changelog on the firmware upgrade tho
2024-06-13 09:51:37	BrainDamage	if they mention power management changes
2024-06-13 09:59:59	eoli3n	fw updated, same pb, i'll check charging without os during 30min, and full discharge/charge
2024-06-13 10:07:48	stewi	eoli3n, how new is the laptop & os?
2024-06-13 10:08:06	eoli3n	os up to date, laptop is a hp elitebook 640G10
2024-06-13 10:08:12	eoli3n	640 G10
2024-06-13 10:08:16	stewi	Has it even gone through a single charge-discharge cycle yet?
2024-06-13 10:08:21	eoli3n	nop
2024-06-13 10:08:23	eoli3n	not yet
2024-06-13 10:08:50	stewi	Might just be getting weird numbers as it figures out exactly what 100% and 0% is.
2024-06-13 10:09:44	stewi	The problem of defining battery percentage is quite complex. Relies on historical data and I'd expect weird stuff on a new system.
2024-06-13 10:10:19	eoli3n	at lunch time, i'll put it on battery, and launch stress command to full discharge and shutdown
2024-06-13 10:11:43	cloudowind	on my system it shows actual % instead of potential , when it is %100 macsystem as because it has lost %9 already  , when i boot archlinux my system shows %91 even it is %100 
2024-06-13 10:12:58	stewi	A high discharge rate will create a voltage drop. AFAIK the higher voltage LiPos used in laptops have incredibly flat discharge curves.
2024-06-13 10:13:43	stewi	A slow discharge will give it clearer data on the battery.
2024-06-13 10:14:17	stewi	cloudowind, there is no such thing as actual %.
2024-06-13 10:14:28	ponies	file a bug report ++ 
2024-06-13 10:14:39	cloudowind	i meant factory design full potential , and the actual cells that is availabe 
2024-06-13 10:14:45	cloudowind	yes there is :/
2024-06-13 10:15:13	stewi	cloudowind, no, it's a number designed to be helpful to the user. Nothing intrinsic to the battery is reflected in it.
2024-06-13 10:15:31	cloudowind	hmm
2024-06-13 10:38:11	BrainDamage	stewi: voltage is not what the charge controller uses
2024-06-13 10:39:00	BrainDamage	the charge controller integrates the current that went in/out the battery, and it gets the charge from that
2024-06-13 10:39:11	BrainDamage	and that charge is independent on voltage or losses
2024-06-13 10:40:16	Tom^	hence the need for "calibration" sometimes to get somewhat less innaccurate readings
2024-06-13 10:40:46	BrainDamage	the capacity of the battery however, is a bit of an arbitrary value, based off voltage tresholds, those in turn the manifacturer sets based off how much they like to play dices in risk of fire
2024-06-13 10:41:34	BrainDamage	you can set higher voltage tresholds for fully charged, in exchange of a higher risk of ruining the battery, therefore getting more capacity out of it
2024-06-13 10:51:31	stewi	BrainDamage, not sure what I said disagrees with that. 100% agree with you.
2024-06-13 10:52:54	stewi	There's probably more to a modern system than just current over time since it's not exactly constant for a given charge or discharge cycle either.
2024-06-13 10:53:10	stewi	But it's likely the meat of it.
2024-06-13 10:53:26	BrainDamage	the "integrate" is the key part
2024-06-13 10:53:37	BrainDamage	the mathematical operator
2024-06-13 10:53:48	stewi	I prefer 'over time' since it's easier for the layman.
2024-06-13 10:54:25	stewi	But integrate's definitely more precice.
2024-06-13 10:55:51	BrainDamage	I am an electronic engineer, so I kinda have to be precise, or I end up confusing myself
2024-06-13 11:08:02	Gnana	my system panic sometimes when poweroff? what could be the fix?
2024-06-13 11:09:13	stewi	do you mean suspended? A powered off system cannot do anything because it is turned off.
2024-06-13 11:10:49	Gnana	when turn off my system it does kernel panic
2024-06-13 11:11:37	Gnana	im using linux original kernel. install zen kernenl right now. if that helps me
2024-06-13 11:11:41	stewi	Oh, during the shutdown?
2024-06-13 11:11:46	Gnana	yes
2024-06-13 11:12:45	stewi	It's a new arch install?
2024-06-13 11:12:50	Gnana	no
2024-06-13 11:13:22	Gnana	i have nvidia-dksm
2024-06-13 11:13:24	Gnana	dkms
2024-06-13 11:13:26	Gnana	and
2024-06-13 11:13:38	Gnana	GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="loglevel=3 splash nvidia-drm.modeset=1"
2024-06-13 11:13:47	Gnana	MODULES=(nvidia nvidia_modeset nvidia_uvm nvidia_drm)
2024-06-13 11:13:55	Gnana	does that can be the problem?
2024-06-13 11:14:00	Gnana	amd is iGpu 
2024-06-13 11:14:20	Gnana	okay i have installed linux-zen kernel .. reobooting brb
2024-06-13 11:15:18	Gnana	back
2024-06-13 11:15:40	Gnana	does that can be problem?
2024-06-13 11:15:41	stewi	I'll be honest with you, that kind of thing is a little outside my knowledge. But, have you made sure firmware is all updated?
2024-06-13 11:15:55	stewi	Seems fine to me
2024-06-13 11:15:57	Gnana	which firmwares's?
2024-06-13 11:16:11	stewi	fwupdmgr
2024-06-13 11:16:15	Gnana	oh ok 
2024-06-13 11:17:16	stewi	And I'd also check if your motherboard has a BIOS update in case fwupdmgr doesn't have it. It should list what it has and doesn't have firmware for though.
2024-06-13 11:18:30	Gnana	stewi:https://pastebin.com/9vDQqv8C
2024-06-13 11:18:31	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XcQV.txt
2024-06-13 11:18:31	phrik	Title: WARNING: UEFI ESP partition not detected or configuredSee https://github.com/f - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-06-13 11:18:37	Gnana	SHOULD SAY YES?
2024-06-13 11:18:40	Gnana	sorry for caps
2024-06-13 11:20:26	stewi	Well, it shouldn't matter much. AFAICT it's just an update to the list of trusted secure boot keys.
2024-06-13 11:21:15	stewi	Won't do anything unless you're using secure boot and a revoked secure boot key.
2024-06-13 11:21:34	Gnana	ah i need do add bios secure boot 
2024-06-13 11:21:40	stewi	no
2024-06-13 11:22:20	stewi	You might as well just do it.
2024-06-13 11:22:26	stewi	But it's unrelated to your problem.
2024-06-13 11:22:47	stewi	*do the update* not *use secure boot*
2024-06-13 11:23:24	stewi	words are hard
2024-06-13 11:24:04	stewi	Is it possible to post the panic log?
2024-06-13 11:24:25	Gnana	where are they?
2024-06-13 11:24:49	stewi	Panics aren't recorded, since their logs are generated after the kernel has already failed.
2024-06-13 11:25:03	Gnana	ok
2024-06-13 11:25:14	Gnana	let me zee if linux-zen kernel work
2024-06-13 11:25:16	Gnana	s
2024-06-13 11:25:18	stewi	Ok
2024-06-13 11:25:26	Gnana	ok 
2024-06-13 11:28:02	stewi	And the output of journalctl -b-1 after rebooting from a panic?
2024-06-13 11:29:24	stewi	!paste
2024-06-13 11:29:25	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-06-13 11:29:35	stewi	!0x0
2024-06-13 11:29:35	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-06-13 11:30:39	stewi	You can use 'journalctl -b-1 | curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st' to upload the complete journal for the last boot.
2024-06-13 11:32:33	machara	hello. I'm new to Arch (using CachyOS) and learning some ins-and-outs. I just installed yay to manage AUR packages. I have heared mentioned it is good to be cautious which packages to use from it. After installing yay and just exexuting it, it asks to update some apparently standard packages already offered by cachyos (glib2, libxml2, libxslt, lib32-libxml2). Should I avoid those?
2024-06-13 11:33:01	MrElendig	machara: wrong channel, we only support arch
2024-06-13 11:33:32	machara	ok. so no sub-distros of arch.
2024-06-13 11:33:40	machara	thanks
2024-06-13 11:33:58	stewi	machara, yay can manage normal packages in the same way the standard package manager.
2024-06-13 11:34:13	MrElendig	machara: they do things quite differently than arch so nope
2024-06-13 11:34:19	stewi	machara, e.g. yay -Syu updates normal and AUR packages.
2024-06-13 11:34:35	MrElendig	machara: cachyos got a forum and discord, so head over there
2024-06-13 11:36:14	machara	cool. i'll search it out. thank you for your help anyway. I understand some stuff is different for CachyOS.
2024-06-13 11:36:24	grawity	package management is like the one thing that differs the most between sub-distros
2024-06-13 11:36:50	machara	*chuckles*
2024-06-13 11:36:54	grawity	so if they e.g. provide a custom repo with their own packages on top of arch -- bit hard to support that from the outside
2024-06-13 11:37:36	machara	Well you are a helpful bunch, so if I have topics that are the same between arch and CachyOS I can still ask here?
2024-06-13 11:38:29	stewi	machara, it's almost like it's the best thing about using arch ;)
2024-06-13 11:38:33	grawity	to an extent, but most probably won't like it
2024-06-13 11:38:57	machara	ok. so I'll refrain from it. thanks anyway.
2024-06-13 11:39:13	grawity	since you're going to get answers based on the assumption on how things work in arch
2024-06-13 15:20:25	mrkiko	!paste
2024-06-13 15:20:26	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-06-13 15:20:59	mrkiko	!rs
2024-06-13 15:20:59	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2024-06-13 15:21:49	mrkiko	what does |& operatordo?
2024-06-13 15:22:09	grawity	redirects also stderr; shortcut for 2>&1 |
2024-06-13 15:24:53	mrkiko	grawity: uuuh! super useful! Thanks!
2024-06-13 15:46:37	LimeOn	Hello, is there some kind of command that allows me to 'load' into RAM? the listing of files of a directory? I have a few directories that i use frequently and they have a lot of files, so the loading is a bit slow. I discovered that if i keep the file manager open in that directory, the time is slower (i.e entering into a folder in that directory), but sometimes i close the directory folder by
2024-06-13 15:46:37	LimeOn	mistake. So i am wondering if there is a way to do this '
2024-06-13 15:46:37	LimeOn	persistent'(every boot) and to make it work when i close the file manager folder too
2024-06-13 15:46:54	LimeOn	allows me to load a folder/directory into ram*
2024-06-13 15:47:28	grawity	for file contents yes, but for metadata / directory contents? I'd say probably no
2024-06-13 15:47:28	snappy	LimeOn: surely block cache and directory cache handles this transparently?
2024-06-13 15:47:34	grawity	other than downloading more RAM
2024-06-13 15:48:05	grawity	i.e. it sounds like you're so tight on RAM that the directory listings get flushed out of the existing cache
2024-06-13 15:48:25	grawity	although, also, what kind of file manager?
2024-06-13 15:48:28	LimeOn	the file manager 'forgets' the list of files 
2024-06-13 15:48:30	LimeOn	pcmanfm-qt
2024-06-13 15:48:40	grawity	often it's not the list of files, as such, that is the problem
2024-06-13 15:48:44	rcf	LimeOn: it depends on the file manager. Normally the filesystem will cache this information. It's possible the file manager is doing a ton of extra processing. 
2024-06-13 15:48:47	grawity	but the way it's represented *in the file manager itself*
2024-06-13 15:48:54	LimeOn	i think it uses gvfs
2024-06-13 15:48:55	rcf	For example, trying to regenerate thumbnails and the like. 
2024-06-13 15:49:11	grawity	like, building a qt listbox with 50000000 items will take a certain amount of time
2024-06-13 15:49:19	grawity	even if it's being built out of data that is already cached
2024-06-13 15:49:27	grawity	you can't cache the GUI widgets
2024-06-13 15:49:33	LimeOn	i have 1000 or 2000 files i think
2024-06-13 15:49:43	LimeOn	most of them dont have 'preview' enabled
2024-06-13 15:49:50	LimeOn	so its the mime icon
2024-06-13 15:50:19	rcf	Even below that, they might have their own data structures that are populated, and then free()'d when no longer needed. 
2024-06-13 15:50:27	LimeOn	if i close the folder now, and i open it a few seconds later, its stored, so i think theres some kind of treeshold that makes it to be in ram
2024-06-13 15:51:10	LimeOn	so this is unlikely to be possible?
2024-06-13 15:51:20	LimeOn	besides having the file manager opened in that directory
2024-06-13 15:51:25	rcf	In that case, caching is actually a bit of a pain; you'd either need to invalidate using complicated monitoring schemes, or just on a timer. 
2024-06-13 15:51:30	grawity	is `ls -l` fast in that directory?
2024-06-13 15:51:44	LimeOn	yes grawity
2024-06-13 15:52:05	rcf	Then the filesystem is cached. The file manager is slowing things down. 
2024-06-13 15:52:13	LimeOn	even for other folders, 'ls -l' is fast
2024-06-13 15:52:27	LimeOn	but as i can recall this could be some kind of gvfs thing, which is what the file manager uses
2024-06-13 15:54:11	grawity	how about `gio list -l` then?
2024-06-13 15:54:32	grawity	...why do I have a directory named 'error: BUG: repo should have been canonicalized: --help/'
2024-06-13 15:54:47	rcf	Everyone does somewhere 
2024-06-13 15:56:31	LimeOn	seems fast too grawity
2024-06-13 15:56:39	LimeOn	so the problem is on the file-manager side?
2024-06-13 15:56:54	grawity	most likely yes
2024-06-13 15:56:59	LimeOn	i see
2024-06-13 15:57:08	grawity	I'd 1) try other file managers, e.g. Thunar is also gvfs-based
2024-06-13 15:57:21	grawity	2) maybe poke around using `fatrace` to see what it's trying to access
2024-06-13 15:57:23	LimeOn	I also noticed that using this file-manager in firefox(using portals) make it slower compared to the default one(some kind of gtk one?)
2024-06-13 15:57:49	grawity	the "open file" dialog boxes?
2024-06-13 15:58:01	LimeOn	save file
2024-06-13 15:58:03	novns	mc is the best file manager
2024-06-13 15:58:19	grawity	yeah, those are usually not quite part of the file manager
2024-06-13 15:58:39	grawity	the default one is part of gtk3, it mimics nautilus to an extent but is otherwise a separate thing
2024-06-13 16:02:19	LimeOn	ok i will try what happens with fatrace and with other file managers
2024-06-13 16:02:24	LimeOn	thank you very much for the help!
2024-06-13 16:15:27	shoenot	is there a way to list all the fonts and how exactly i can type them in config files?
2024-06-13 16:15:52	shoenot	Some fonts dont work no matter how I type them 
2024-06-13 16:16:05	grawity	depends on which program's config
2024-06-13 16:16:11	grawity	but mainly fc-list
2024-06-13 16:16:30	shoenot	grawity: dunst, which i think uses pango font description
2024-06-13 16:16:42	grawity	what's the font name, from fc-list?
2024-06-13 16:16:55	shoenot	grawity: looking at it now, i was using a gui font manager
2024-06-13 16:17:09	grawity	should be the same in the gui font manager too
2024-06-13 16:18:23	shoenot	grawity: Source Sans Pro
2024-06-13 16:19:26	grawity	shouldn't be anything special for that
2024-06-13 16:19:42	shoenot	grawity: huh. maybe i fucked up elsewhere in the config then
2024-06-13 16:19:57	shoenot	whats a good weird font to test with 
2024-06-13 16:20:17	grawity	export FC_DEBUG=all
2024-06-13 16:20:30	grawity	pango uses fontconfig to find fonts
2024-06-13 16:24:03	shoenot	grawity: uh i think I found the issue, i can't just do "Source Sans Pro ExtraLight"?
2024-06-13 16:24:12	chiselfuse	hello, why is this 404? https://debuginfod.archlinux.org/buildid/77f52ad608e4da84fdec610b4ef0d32eba09d29a/source/usr/src/debug/sed/sed-4.9/sed/sed.c
2024-06-13 16:24:23	shoenot	do i have to go :style=ExtraLight ?
2024-06-13 16:26:07	grawity	I thought that was more an xft or raw fontconfig thing, while pango wants the plain syntax, but to be honest I'm not 100% sure
2024-06-13 16:26:22	grawity	IIRC it expects a font size though
2024-06-13 16:26:39	grawity	pango-view --text="Hello" --font="Source Sans Pro ExtraLight 20"
2024-06-13 16:26:54	chiselfuse	https://debuginfod.archlinux.org/packages
2024-06-13 16:26:59	chiselfuse	there's sed-debug-4.9-3-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst here
2024-06-13 16:27:06	chiselfuse	but i can't find any sed-debug package for arch
2024-06-13 16:27:46	chiselfuse	also, i can get debuginfo for /bin/cat but i can't find it in that list
2024-06-13 16:27:54	chiselfuse	how does it work
2024-06-13 16:28:01	grawity	?pkgfile cat
2024-06-13 16:28:02	EMIYA	grawity: core/coreutils 9.5-1 (/usr/bin/cat), extra/9base, extra/gstreamer-docs, extra/irssi, extra/lua-socket, extra/lua51-socket, extra/lua52-socket, extra/lua53-socket, extra/opensearch-dashboards-maps-plugin, extra/plan9port
2024-06-13 16:28:13	grawity	there's no "cat" package, it's the "coreutils" package
2024-06-13 16:29:08	chiselfuse	right..
2024-06-13 16:29:22	grawity	with options=(debug strip), makepkg builds both the "sed" and "sed-debug" packages, one with the regular files and the other with just the stripped debug info
2024-06-13 16:29:29	shoenot	grawity: evermind, i tried with Comic Neue and it had no effect on the font 
2024-06-13 16:29:45	shoenot	so its not how im typing the fonts in i dont think
2024-06-13 16:29:51	grawity	arch doesn't publish the -debug packages in normal repos, only through debuginfod
2024-06-13 16:30:28	chiselfuse	grawity: ok then that means that i should be able to get debuginfo for sed but it's 404'ing
2024-06-13 16:30:39	grawity	do you have that exact version of sed?
2024-06-13 16:30:39	chiselfuse	i posted the buildid
2024-06-13 16:32:18	chiselfuse	pacman -Qi is just hanging for me atm..
2024-06-13 16:32:22	chiselfuse	one sec
2024-06-13 16:33:15	chiselfuse	grawity: Version         : 4.9-3
2024-06-13 16:33:26	chiselfuse	so yea it looks like it
2024-06-13 16:34:29	shoenot	grawity: logging out and logging back in fixed it. thats fucking stupid
2024-06-13 16:34:44	shoenot	i was doing a killall that i saw on the github
2024-06-13 16:36:42	chiselfuse	grawity: if you're on arch, do you mind checking the build id of your sed with `readelf -aW $(which sed)` please?
2024-06-13 16:36:53	chiselfuse	it's at the bottom
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2024-06-13 17:06:17	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-06-13 17:05:59	chiselfuse	can someone confirm that the example here doesn't work? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debuginfod#Manual_download
2024-06-13 17:06:00	phrik	Title: Debuginfod - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-13 17:06:14	chiselfuse	debuginfod-find debuginfo /usr/bin/zstd
2024-06-13 17:06:17	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-06-13 17:07:10	chiselfuse	looking at wireshark, the server replies with 404
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2024-06-13 17:07:38	chiselfuse	after sending a GET request to https://debuginfod.archlinux.org/buildid/685cb96ccfa8d65a141a72ebddcdc952cee674ca/debuginfo
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2024-06-13 17:14:10	Namarrgon	Works fine here.
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2024-06-13 17:14:34	Namarrgon	Though i get a different id for zstd
2024-06-13 17:15:07	Namarrgon	Is your system up to date?
2024-06-13 17:18:54	chiselfuse	Namarrgon: yea i just found out, though it doesn't work for /bin/cat. can you try?
2024-06-13 17:19:02	chiselfuse	and coreutils is up to date
2024-06-13 17:19:22	Namarrgon	Works fine, too
2024-06-13 17:19:48	chiselfuse	Namarrgon: really? can you give me the exact command you're issuing?
2024-06-13 17:20:59	Namarrgon	"debuginfod-find debuginfo /usr/bin/cat"
2024-06-13 17:21:29	chiselfuse	here i get `Server query failed: Invalid argument` lol
2024-06-13 17:21:42	chiselfuse	same if i try to give it the build id of cat
2024-06-13 17:21:56	Namarrgon	What is the buildid of /usr/bin/cat?
2024-06-13 17:22:35	chiselfuse	Namarrgon: 9165f3848a294fb8792125cf0696891ff84aba02
2024-06-13 17:22:56	Namarrgon	"ls -l / /usr"
2024-06-13 17:23:25	chiselfuse	Namarrgon: what now?
2024-06-13 17:23:42	Namarrgon	Post the output to a paste service.
2024-06-13 17:24:22	chiselfuse	Namarrgon: https://0x0.st/XceN.txt
2024-06-13 17:25:27	chiselfuse	does the build id match yours at least?
2024-06-13 17:26:12	Namarrgon	Yes, it matches mine.
2024-06-13 17:26:33	Namarrgon	Do you have any other $DEBUGINFOD* vars set?
2024-06-13 17:26:52	chiselfuse	it's weird, looking at wireshark and it's not even trying to query it, just giving me "Invalid argument"
2024-06-13 17:27:09	chiselfuse	Namarrgon: yep, to the default arch one, which works for other files
2024-06-13 17:28:36	chiselfuse	debuginfod-find (elfutils) 0.191
2024-06-13 17:30:21	Namarrgon	Looks like a job of gdb.
2024-06-13 17:31:58	chiselfuse	i'm stracing it and finding funny stuff already
2024-06-13 17:32:50	chiselfuse	looks like it's cached and
2024-06-13 17:32:54	chiselfuse	lsd: /home/terry/.cache/debuginfod_client/9165f3848a294fb8792125cf0696891ff84aba02: Permission denied (os error 13).
2024-06-13 17:33:16	Namarrgon	namei -l /home/terry/.cache/debuginfod_client/
2024-06-13 17:34:12	chiselfuse	finally
2024-06-13 17:34:31	chiselfuse	it was owned by root because i ran gdb once as root to attach to a running process
2024-06-13 17:35:07	chiselfuse	poor design of debuginfod imo
2024-06-13 17:35:23	chiselfuse	it's not "invalid" as it reports
2024-06-13 17:37:06	Namarrgon	You can submit a bugreport and/or patch.
2024-06-13 19:07:34	docmax	does anyone know a hood video/picture manager? like xnview?
2024-06-13 19:07:45	docmax	fast & lightweight
2024-06-13 19:07:51	docmax	*good
2024-06-13 19:16:43	andril	hello all
2024-06-13 19:24:06	edgy	Hi, This might be an off-topic but I will do my best to make it relevant. I love Arch Linux, so I searched for the meaning of Arch in wikitionary. I found this page https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Arch, on the left there a toolbar listing 5 languages. I edited the page and there is no reference to these languages, I wonder how are they added? ;)
2024-06-13 19:39:29	astralc	I think it just the same name for wikitionary (unlike wikipedia).. also https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/arch
2024-06-13 19:39:31	phrik	Title: arch - Wiktionary, the free dictionary (at en.wiktionary.org)
2024-06-13 19:40:45	astralc	and off-topic
2024-06-13 19:44:22	edgy	astralc: sorry I don't understand your answer
2024-06-13 19:44:57	astralc	there is entry under same exact name in the other languages, so it show link
2024-06-13 19:45:14	astralc	note for exact- capitalization matter
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2024-06-13 20:00:07	mpan	‘S’ in name Arch Linux stands for simplicity, according to GPT-3.5: <https://0x0.st/Xc2x.png>. ;)
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2024-06-13 20:01:26	rcf	It's just a pleasant name, really. 
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2024-06-13 20:01:53	rcf	Being from St. Louis, I'm desensitized to any special meaning. Everything calls itself Arch here, because there's a big fucking Arch by the river. 
2024-06-13 20:02:38	Edu4rdSHL	mpan, lmao
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2024-06-13 20:43:48	edgy	mingdao, mpan: I was trying to be funny but seems I was not clear enough, it was my fault. I was not asking about Arch meaning. I just want to know how the language list on the left in wikitionary pages are formed and don't know another place to ask
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2024-06-13 20:44:45	edgy	astralc: good point but the problem is there is entries which these languages are not connected automatically, I can give an example if you want
2024-06-13 20:45:12	astralc	different capitalization?
2024-06-13 20:45:59	edgy	mpan: so funny!
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2024-06-13 20:47:22	mpan	edgy: oh, I wasn’t even responding directly to you. I’m not sure, if I understand your question. :)
2024-06-13 20:47:29	mpan	I took it as something related to Arch.
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2024-06-13 20:48:13	edgy	mpan: ah! so it's just coincidence, but great pic. I like those funny gpt answers
2024-06-13 20:48:23	mpan	edgy: I believe they are formed automatically.
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2024-06-13 20:48:57	mpan	The ChatGPT is in this case just silly but in a manner that is double fun, because it can be interpreted sarcastically. :)
2024-06-13 20:49:00	edgy	astralc: I think you are right! If I find an example I will paste it here but till now I will accept your answer
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2024-06-13 20:49:43	mpan	edgy: note that the list on the left is interwiki, not in the same Wiktionary.
2024-06-13 20:50:24	mpan	edgy: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Help:Interwiki_linking#Entries
2024-06-13 20:50:25	phrik	Title: Help:Interwiki linking - Wiktionary, the free dictionary (at en.wiktionary.org)
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2024-06-13 20:51:06	edgy	mpan: you seems knowledgeable enough. yes, I got it now. Some entry confused me but I couldn't find it any more, so I think you are right. Thanks and sorry for the off-topic question
2024-06-13 20:51:20	edgy	It's just people here are helpful and knowledgeable
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2024-06-14 14:24:27	murzik	robloxxx, yes, it worked with grub uefi
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2024-06-14 14:25:08	murzik	robloxxx, with premounted ext4 and journalizing on.
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2024-06-14 14:29:41	cloudowind	i dont know why i am using efi despite having uefi and have to add manually other osses each time trying to chainboot multiple efis 
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2024-06-14 14:33:22	cloudowind	*chainload :/
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2024-06-14 15:31:02	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-06-14 14:56:22	georglassen	no, I dont think so everyone else's internet seems to be doing fine
2024-06-14 14:57:19	Namarrgon	georglassen: Are browsers affected, too? Have you tried to download something large?
2024-06-14 15:00:56	georglassen	I tried to fetch the arch iso, and yea the problem seems to appear there too for some weird reason. speedtest.net download speed was fine
2024-06-14 15:01:17	robloxxx	murzik: which config didn't work ?
2024-06-14 15:02:05	robloxxx	murzik: maybe tell #archinstall about it
2024-06-14 15:07:53	Earnestly	For those on libxml2 2.13.0-1 can you confirm that `xsltproc -' produces an IO Error attempting to open "-"?
2024-06-14 15:11:11	gromit	Earnestly: is this the same type of error as in https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openconnect/-/issues/1
2024-06-14 15:11:13	phrik	Title: libxslt and libxml2 update breaks openconnect (#1) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / openconnect · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-06-14 15:13:15	Earnestly	gromit: Seems like it, worth noting that the issue seems to be fixed in master (bisecting atm) so you can see if it works by LD_PRELOAD'ing a locally built libxml2 from git
2024-06-14 15:13:38	Earnestly	There were a couple of "io: ..." related commits after the 2.13 release which might be the fix
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2024-06-14 15:43:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-06-14 15:43:06	ℹ 	Topic set by phrik (~phrik@phrik.archlinux.org) on Sat, 10 Feb 2024 18:25:44
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2024-06-14 15:43:53	Earnestly	gromit: Or not, not sure how I got that working. bisecting isn't helping much, starting again
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2024-06-14 15:54:48	CarloWood	I used to be able to make a screenshot by pressing the PrtScn button on my keyboard - but that stopped having effect :/. Where can I see what pressing that key is doing?
2024-06-14 15:55:03	chovy	hello
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2024-06-14 15:59:02	CarloWood	Setting --> Keyboard --> Shortcuts, gives me "Failed to communicate with global shortcuts daemon"
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2024-06-14 16:02:00	Earnestly	gromit: lol, 0a658c0f0a0724ea1082e7e4d45d0b44c1292657 io: Don't use "-" to read from stdin
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2024-06-14 16:02:43	Earnestly	I think that's pretty self explanatory
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2024-06-14 16:04:14	nullstring	I want to install two conflicting packages. Is there an option I can pass in to do that?
2024-06-14 16:04:30	nullstring	I inspected them and they aren't really.. 'conflicting'.. they can both install just fine.
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2024-06-14 16:04:38	itsme5n	Hello
2024-06-14 16:05:09	itsme5n	nullstring, which package?
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2024-06-14 16:05:50	nullstring	itsme5n: it's an arch linux arm / pikvm thing. I'm not looking for support there, just looking for pacman assistance.
2024-06-14 16:06:07	nullstring	otherwise I might just need to manipulate the packages so they aren't conflicting anymore..
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2024-06-14 16:07:13	itsme5n	nullstring, yes usually pacman shows conflicting if similar packages already installed so that we can remove conflicting package to install new one is totally depends on us
2024-06-14 16:08:26	nullstring	itsme5n: sorry?
2024-06-14 16:08:41	nullstring	so the question is, how do I override that? Or am I forced to manipulate the packages?
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2024-06-14 16:11:08	itsme5n	nullstring, no pacman does not allow to install two different package which does same thing so its user responsibility to install those lib or packages .
2024-06-14 16:11:42	BrainDamage	if it's files conflicts, use --overwrite
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2024-06-14 16:12:03	itsme5n	nullstring, I dont think you can obverride it and even if you override than system gets crash when you try to open relating app
2024-06-14 16:12:03	BrainDamage	if it's a provides, then I don't know without consulting the manual
2024-06-14 16:12:25	Earnestly	gromit: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libxslt/-/issues/109
2024-06-14 16:12:28	phrik	Title: Reading from standard input (-) no longer works since libxml2 2.13.0 (#109) · Issues · GNOME / libxslt · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
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2024-06-14 16:12:34	nullstring	itsme5n: ok, I'll just manipulate the packages then
2024-06-14 16:12:45	nullstring	in this case they aren't -actually- conflicting
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2024-06-14 16:13:44	itsme5n	nullstring, i faced similar issue when installing one app which has so many conflicting files so I removed old files and installed those files which are required for my current required software to run
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2024-06-14 16:21:20	nullstring	I just rebuilt the packages with the 'conflict' thing removed. worked fine.
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2024-06-14 16:23:28	itsme5n	nullstring, did you use makepkg ? or you compiling from source ?
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2024-06-14 16:28:27	Scimmia	itsme5n: makepkg builds from source
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2024-06-14 16:29:38	nullstring	itsme5n: makepkg
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2024-06-14 16:30:18	itsme5n	Scimmia, yes , if we have PKGBUILD file , if it is not there means we can even build form normal configure , make , make install procedure
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2024-06-14 16:31:46	nullstring	itsme5n: yeah but thats bad practice
2024-06-14 16:31:54	nullstring	if you don't have a PKGBUILD file you should just create one
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2024-06-14 16:32:17	Scimmia	itsme5n: both build from source, but only one makes a package like they said they were doing
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2024-06-14 16:34:23	Scimmia	of course, being ARM, the entire thing is inappropriate for this channel
2024-06-14 16:34:38	nullstring	Scimmia: pacman support is inappropriate for this channel?
2024-06-14 16:34:42	Scimmia	yes
2024-06-14 16:34:58	nullstring	is there a rule that says that somewhere I can reference?
2024-06-14 16:35:18	Scimmia	!give nullstring notarch
2024-06-14 16:35:19	phrik	nullstring: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
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2024-06-14 16:35:35	nullstring	but I was asking about pacman.
2024-06-14 16:35:36	itsme5n	Scimmia, nullstring , finall what is required is binary file which is compatible with your system architecture so any method is ok I dont think any issue untill you know what you are doing :)
2024-06-14 16:35:51	nullstring	pacman is an x64 package
2024-06-14 16:36:01	Scimmia	nullstring: "Posting issues with, and requesting support for, derivative distributions or operating systems other than Arch Linux are prohibited."
2024-06-14 16:36:14	nullstring	I wasn't posting an issue or asking for support for arm 
2024-06-14 16:36:20	nullstring	I was asking for support for pacman
2024-06-14 16:36:26	Scimmia	for pacman on a different distro
2024-06-14 16:36:30	nullstring	nope
2024-06-14 16:36:35	nullstring	for your pacman
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2024-06-14 16:37:06	Scimmia	really, so where does ARM come into this?
2024-06-14 16:37:07	itsme5n	nullstring, yes actually arch linux is very good and basically designed for x86_64 machines i.e., 64 bit processors
2024-06-14 16:37:13	nullstring	Scimmia: it doesn't...
2024-06-14 16:37:29	Scimmia	<nullstring> itsme5n: it's an arch linux arm / pikvm thing. I'm not looking for support there, just looking for pacman assistance.
2024-06-14 16:37:45	Antiz	It's okay, let's move on :)
2024-06-14 16:37:53	nullstring	Scimmia: yeah I am looking for x86 pacman assistance, for which I will apply to a different sitaution :P
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2024-06-14 16:37:59	Scimmia	yeah, bullshit
2024-06-14 16:38:05	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [+o Namarrgon] by ChanServ
2024-06-14 16:38:10	virtualsid	come on, Scimmia 
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2024-06-14 16:38:46	CarloWood	I solved my problem.
2024-06-14 16:38:55	nullstring	you guys are dissapointing but ok fine
2024-06-14 16:38:55	@Namarrgon	nullstring: This is the arch support channel, not the pacman support channel.
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2024-06-14 16:39:08	nullstring	Namarrgon: is pacman not a arch project?
2024-06-14 16:39:11	@Namarrgon	no
2024-06-14 16:39:14	nullstring	oh
2024-06-14 16:39:14	itsme5n	nullstring, I guess can better ask your questions in concerned group for #archlinuxarm 
2024-06-14 16:39:27	nullstring	Namarrgon: TIL
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2024-06-14 16:40:09	nullstring	Namarrgon: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman are you sure?
2024-06-14 16:40:10	phrik	Title: Pacman / Pacman · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-06-14 16:40:17	Scimmia	nullstring: yes, they're sure
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2024-06-14 16:40:31	nullstring	why is a non-arch project hosted on archlinux.org?
2024-06-14 16:40:37	Scimmia	why not?
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2024-06-14 16:40:46	nullstring	so whose project is it?
2024-06-14 16:41:03	Scimmia	The pacman developers
2024-06-14 16:41:04	nullstring	"pacman-dev@lists.archlinux.org"
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2024-06-14 16:41:22	nullstring	Scimmia: which are not affiliated with arch linux then?
2024-06-14 16:41:28	@Namarrgon	Just because it is hosted on arch's infrastructure doesn't mean that we support your distro.
2024-06-14 16:41:35	Earnestly	It's a general package manager, made by the pacman devs. It's not intended to be Arch specific despite the overlap of developers
2024-06-14 16:41:49	Earnestly	Or it has become not arch specific over time
2024-06-14 16:42:00	Scimmia	nullstring: does it matter? The rules are extremely clear, you want to play bullshit word games to try to get around them. Stop
2024-06-14 16:42:22	Antiz	Earnestly: "Or it has become not arch specific over time" <-- It's still not actually :)
2024-06-14 16:42:25	nullstring	Scimmia: ok so I guess I'll email that list instead next time o.o
2024-06-14 16:42:29	itsme5n	nullstring, actually I have from from debian background so what i know is pacman is package manager thing in arch just like apt in ubuntu or debian. 
2024-06-14 16:42:45	nullstring	itsme5n: yeah but apt is absolutely a debian project..
2024-06-14 16:43:13	nullstring	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APT_(software)
2024-06-14 16:43:13	phrik	Title: APT (software) - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2024-06-14 16:43:18	nullstring	"The debian project"
2024-06-14 16:43:30	Earnestly	The 'ownership' doesn't matter, the issue is intended scope and purpose
2024-06-14 16:43:34	Antiz	Earnestly: Nevermind, I haven't seen the "not" in your sentence, forgive me :)
2024-06-14 16:44:22	nullstring	all you guys are doing is making someone like me hide the fact they are using arm. Since my question is generic and completely appropriate to normal archlinux.
2024-06-14 16:44:25	nullstring	but ok nvm
2024-06-14 16:44:27	nullstring	I'll stop before I get banned
2024-06-14 16:44:33	itsme5n	but I started getting used to arch linux because its too fast( both in boot time and other operations) compared to other distros .so I am happy using it
2024-06-14 16:44:45	teraflops	!debian5 
2024-06-14 16:44:46	phrik	Debian is installing itself in Florida. http://i.imgur.com/SPmZCRe.jpg
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2024-06-17 21:12:00	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-06-17 21:12:00	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1466 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1466 regular)
2024-06-17 05:49:24	Scimmia	yep, was just about to paste that
2024-06-17 05:50:01	ZLima12	Guess that's my sign to head to bed
2024-06-17 05:51:39	Scimmia	easy one to miss, honestly
2024-06-17 05:55:13	ZLima12	Yeah, I guess I had assumed that "required by" would mean a direct dependency on that package specifically
2024-06-17 07:00:47	tropnevad	hey, i am having an issue with nettle 3.10 breaking a dependancy
2024-06-17 07:01:21	tropnevad	when i run pacman -Syu i get "installing nettle (3.10-1) breaks dependency 'nettle=3.9.1' required by lib32-nettle
2024-06-17 07:01:21	tropnevad	"
2024-06-17 07:02:29	another|	3.10 is still in testing
2024-06-17 07:02:37	tropnevad	oh ok
2024-06-17 07:03:06	another|	if you run testing, breakages are to be expected I think
2024-06-17 07:03:17	tropnevad	ok
2024-06-17 07:03:24	tropnevad	i think ill just disable testing for now
2024-06-17 07:03:59	demonicmaniac1	technically we do have multilib-testing as well and stuff like that should get pushed to core-testing and multilib-testing at the same time >.>
2024-06-17 07:04:22	demonicmaniac1	testing packaging breakes aren't to be exptected, that's what the staging are for :P
2024-06-17 07:04:35	demonicmaniac1	just potential issues with software quality
2024-06-17 07:04:56	tropnevad	ok
2024-06-17 07:05:18	tropnevad	ill just disable multilib
2024-06-17 07:05:49	demonicmaniac1	tropnevad: nah i'd just wait unless you absolutely HAVE to -syu right now
2024-06-17 07:05:59	demonicmaniac1	might be just a package pushing/repos syncing issue
2024-06-17 07:06:07	tropnevad	ok
2024-06-17 07:06:19	tropnevad	watiting will work too
2024-06-17 07:08:25	madprops	I've been having to run `XDG_MENU_PREFIX=plasma- kbuildsycoca6` after using pacman since some dolphin stuff broke. Any idea on how to fix it for good?
2024-06-17 07:10:24	Scimmia	tropnevad: it's a bug that should be filed in the Arch gitlab
2024-06-17 07:17:17	madprops	hoping this fixes it: https://old.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1bd313p/dolphin_not_recognizing_file_associations/l1jinyf/
2024-06-17 09:08:01	Edu4rdSHL	lib32-nettle requires .10 on testing
2024-06-17 09:08:19	Edu4rdSHL	It was updated 7 min ago :p
2024-06-17 09:14:48	Antiz	tropnevad: Yup, should be fixed now ;) Seems like the lib32 package was omitted when upgrading nettle to v3.10. I jpushed the 3.10 lib32 variant to [multilib-testing] a few minutes ago so `pacman -Syu` should work again now :)
2024-06-17 09:47:35	snoriman	Hi! I've wondering how to set permissions/users correctly for nginx and not sure what's a good approach. I've got a directory /data/<something>/ which is owned by my own user though I still want to be able to severwebsites from this. I tried to change the "User" config in nginx.conf which resulted in a permission denied to `/var/log/nginx/access.log" which makes sense. What would be a good
2024-06-17 09:47:37	snoriman	approach here?
2024-06-17 09:54:39	colo	hmm, now bluetooth's gone flaky even on 6.6 :/
2024-06-17 09:54:42	alwyn	I added a CA with # trust anchor --store $myfile but when I do trust list I can't find it. What's up?
2024-06-17 10:00:45	noctux	snoriman: one option would be to change the group of /data/<something> to one that your nginx runs under and do a g+rX, or you could do things with posix ACLs, which are unfortunately a bit more fagile
2024-06-17 10:02:39	snoriman	noctux: ok thanks! I was thinking... as this is just on my develpoment laptop I can run nginx under my own user
2024-06-17 10:03:53	mkoskar	snoriman: how do you start it?
2024-06-17 10:04:07	snoriman	currently via systemd
2024-06-17 10:04:38	BrainDamage	where's that data dir located? under rootfs?
2024-06-17 10:06:02	snoriman	BrainDamage: it's directly under /data/<something> yes
2024-06-17 10:07:03	sheldor	I'm using qemu/kvm to virtualize since few days I don't have network access through vm dhcp does not provide IP addresses for all vm, network is start, dnsqmasq process runs => as you can see https://paste.debian.net/plainh/178f16d7
2024-06-17 10:07:27	BrainDamage	ok, so no issues to traverse up to that
2024-06-17 10:09:18	mkoskar	snoriman: if you start it as a system service the master nginx process runs as root:root, "user" directive controls how workers run, i.e., you shouldn't get error writing to /var/log/nginx even if you change "user", by default it's http:http ... but ye in general keep it default and make your document root accessible to http user
2024-06-17 10:10:35	snoriman	mkoskar: ok thanks, while searching I found a post which describes that you also get this error in relation with an incorrectly configured server that needs php
2024-06-17 10:13:45	⚡ 	snoriman facepalm
2024-06-17 10:13:50	snoriman	yep that was it :#
2024-06-17 10:44:18	enoq	has microk8s been removed from the repos? can't find it
2024-06-17 10:45:08	enoq	ah, nvm, I confused it with minikube
2024-06-17 11:19:44	wyre	there was once some packaged called cgroup_event_listener in AUR? 
2024-06-17 11:21:04	jelle	what is the question wyre?
2024-06-17 11:21:33	wyre	jelle, I can see I've a package called cgroup_event_listener installed
2024-06-17 11:21:55	wyre	apparently packaged by arojas, but now yay tells me there is no such package in AUR 🤔
2024-06-17 11:22:14	jelle	then it sounds like it was in the repos and removed
2024-06-17 11:22:36	wyre	and how might I figure out why it was removed? 
2024-06-17 11:24:36	jelle	what does the package even provide?
2024-06-17 11:25:02	jelle	all I can find is https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/samples/cgroup/cgroup_event_listener.c
2024-06-17 11:26:31	wyre	jelle, just that
2024-06-17 11:26:46	wyre	but don't know what's even for 🤔
2024-06-17 11:26:54	wyre	not sure why I installed it
2024-06-17 11:50:41	mpan	It indeed was: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/cgroup_event_listener/
2024-06-17 11:51:17	mpan	https://web.archive.org/web/20231013044121/https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/cgroup_event_listener/
2024-06-17 11:51:19	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - cgroup_event_listener 6.5-1 (x86_64) (at web.archive.org)
2024-06-17 11:52:27	jelle	ah that explains, a split package
2024-06-17 12:43:59	snoriman	oops, I think I did something wrong while upgrading my install... I ran `pacman -Syu` and tried to open emacs but getting: emacs: error while loading shared libraries: libicui18n.so.75: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2024-06-17 12:44:16	snoriman	Any ideas how to fix that?
2024-06-17 12:44:35	jelle	pacman -Q emacs ?
2024-06-17 12:44:49	snoriman	`emacs 29.3-3`
2024-06-17 12:44:57	snoriman	but strangely `uname -a` gives me 6.6.1 
2024-06-17 12:45:31	FikaMedHasse	6.6.1 is your kernel version no?
2024-06-17 12:45:34	jelle	are you on lts, or did you not yet reboot?
2024-06-17 12:46:07	snoriman	Hmm I might have experimented with lts but not sure ... is there a way to check?
2024-06-17 12:46:12	snoriman	I did reboot
2024-06-17 12:46:20	jelle	pacman -Q linux ?
2024-06-17 12:46:38	snoriman	linux 6.6.1.arch1-1
2024-06-17 12:46:56	jelle	are you really on arch?
2024-06-17 12:47:09	snoriman	yes
2024-06-17 12:47:24	jelle	what mirror do you use?
2024-06-17 12:47:51	astralc	are you ignoring linux updates in pacman.conf?
2024-06-17 12:48:04	snoriman	Server = https://geo.mirror.pkgbuild.com/$repo/os/$arch
2024-06-17 12:48:13	snoriman	astralc: I'll check
2024-06-17 12:48:49	snoriman	ah! there is a `Server = ` entry in pacman.conf
2024-06-17 12:49:08	astralc	for which repo?
2024-06-17 12:49:56	snoriman	I've removed them and doing a full upgrade now
2024-06-17 12:50:04	snoriman	I think this was the issue
2024-06-17 12:50:23	DodoGTA	How do the official Arch packages have a `keys/pgp` directory with all of the required public keys? Are those downloaded manually or is there some script I'm not aware of?
2024-06-17 12:51:29	jelle	DodoGTA: its part of devtools for arch (so the packaging tooling)
2024-06-17 12:51:32	astralc	for the packages? archlinux-keyring
2024-06-17 12:52:00	gromit	DodoGTA: export-pkgbuild-keys as part of devtools
2024-06-17 12:55:25	snoriman	astralc, jelle it's working now! I had some old server configured in pacman.conf
2024-06-17 12:56:58	astralc	I guess it was under "[core]", as both linux and icu are there
2024-06-17 13:55:58	dsacode	Hello! Is it possible to override "srcdir" for `makepkg` run without modifying PKGBUILD file?
2024-06-17 13:57:20	Gnea	dsacode: no, all compilation directives are defined in PKGBUILD
2024-06-17 13:57:41	Namarrgon	What are you trying to do?
2024-06-17 13:57:51	gromit	Yeah this sounds like an xy
2024-06-17 13:57:51	dsacode	Gnea, got it, thank you
2024-06-17 13:58:49	Antiz	dsacode: Not sure to understand what you actually want to do. But if you want to define where sources are downloaded, you can set the SRCDEST env var
2024-06-17 13:59:48	Antiz	dsacode: See https://man.archlinux.org/man/makepkg.8.en#ENVIRONMENT_VARIABLES
2024-06-17 13:59:50	phrik	Title: makepkg(8) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2024-06-17 14:05:05	Oddmonger	hello, i have an issue with opensmtpd package. I get a GID error when trying to use `smtpctl` : « smtpctl: this program must be setgid smtpq »
2024-06-17 14:05:42	Oddmonger	indeed, it has an issue: # ls -lh /usr/bin/smtpctl
2024-06-17 14:05:44	Oddmonger	-r-xr-sr-x 1 root audio 544K  1 mai   17:34 /usr/bin/smtpctl
2024-06-17 14:06:12	Oddmonger	how can i check the GID defined by the install script of opensmtpd package ?
2024-06-17 14:08:50	Namarrgon	Either find the package on gitlab.archlinux.org or clone the repo with pkgctl or "pacscripts opensmtpd"
2024-06-17 14:09:02	jelle	it is added by sysusers
2024-06-17 14:11:00	Oddmonger	i'd been suggested to tar tvf /var/cache/pacman/pkg/opensmtp… and indeed …
2024-06-17 14:11:17	jelle	Oddmonger: that makes no sense at all
2024-06-17 14:11:17	Oddmonger	-r-xr-sr-x root/92      556576 2024-05-01 17:34 usr/bin/smtpctl
2024-06-17 14:14:27	Namarrgon	Is this an old-ish system?
2024-06-17 14:14:29	Oddmonger	jelle: i have found opensmtpd.sysuser on gitlab, but it has only 2 lines
2024-06-17 14:14:58	Oddmonger	Namarrgon: the system is up to date, with a -Syu last week
2024-06-17 14:15:17	Namarrgon	92 is the statically assigned audio group, smtpd is 145; but i don't know if arch is still adhering to the old definitions.
2024-06-17 14:15:23	Oddmonger	but it has been installed for the first time dong ago
2024-06-17 14:15:28	Oddmonger	/dong/long
2024-06-17 14:16:41	Oddmonger	smtpd❌992: and smtpq❌994:
2024-06-17 14:17:56	Oddmonger	smtpd is running root/root
2024-06-17 14:19:37	Oddmonger	it may be a naïve question, but shouldn't the install package do the group assignation itself, instead of relying on hardcoded magic numbers ?
2024-06-17 14:20:26	Oddmonger	anyway, i will fix it by hand, and i will fix smtpd too (which is not good in the archive anyway)
2024-06-17 14:22:15	Namarrgon	Changing ownership of binaries post-install is always hacky since it desyncs it from what pacman knows about it.
2024-06-17 14:22:38	Namarrgon	But this binary should probably not have re-used 92/audio
2024-06-17 14:24:53	Oddmonger	what can i do ? Change 92 to smtpq ?
2024-06-17 14:27:06	Namarrgon	Ideally but you also need to generate a new audio group and fix any permissions existing files/users that use the old gid.
2024-06-17 14:31:00	Oddmonger	hopefully, only mpd is using this group
2024-06-17 14:32:21	Oddmonger	and it doesn't even use it now :')
2024-06-17 14:36:03	Namarrgon	video had to go away, too...
2024-06-17 14:37:06	Namarrgon	crw-rw----+ 1 root smtpq 116, 15 17. Jun 12:56 /dev/snd/controlC0
2024-06-17 14:37:08	Namarrgon	This will need a reboot
2024-06-17 14:37:45	BrainDamage	you could probably chown passing gid
2024-06-17 14:38:37	Oddmonger	for quick fix it, yes
2024-06-17 14:38:51	Namarrgon	I'm lazy
2024-06-17 14:38:53	Oddmonger	but next upgrade of opensmtpd will give the same issue
2024-06-17 14:39:29	Namarrgon	why?
2024-06-17 14:41:06	Oddmonger	may be i have not understood, but wasn't it a suggestion to assigning my smtpd and smtpq group to the installed binaries ?
2024-06-17 14:41:36	Namarrgon	The binary is using 92 and the sysusers.d config creates the group with gid 92
2024-06-17 14:46:33	Namarrgon	Back in the day when https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:UID_/_GID_Database was the law we had a fixed audio group with gid 92, but the uid 92 was assigned to smtpd. Now the audio group is dynamic and gid 92 was inherited by opensmtpd. 
2024-06-17 14:46:34	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:UID / GID Database - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-17 14:46:55	Namarrgon	They did not account for old system that already had the statically assigned audio group.
2024-06-17 14:47:17	Namarrgon	Same for video/91 and optical/93.
2024-06-17 14:47:29	Namarrgon	There's probably even more breakage nobody knows about.
2024-06-17 14:50:36	Oddmonger	sshd running as guest :')
2024-06-17 14:51:04	Namarrgon	They joys of immortal rolling release distros.
2024-06-17 14:53:57	gdamjan	do we even need those groups these days?
2024-06-17 14:54:04	gdamjan	audio, video, optical ?
2024-06-17 14:54:18	jelle	nope
2024-06-17 14:55:27	astralc	how it done now? polkit/logind/systemd magic?
2024-06-17 14:56:46	Namarrgon	logind does most of it now dynamically for interactive users via acl.
2024-06-17 14:57:08	Namarrgon	The groups are still useful for the rest of the cases.
2024-06-17 14:57:12	astralc	I remember I read something in the wiki or forum recently that video group still used in very specific situation
2024-06-17 14:58:13	jelle	well optical is handled different now right
2024-06-17 14:58:35	astralc	assuming you still have optical drive
2024-06-17 14:59:03	Namarrgon	Nothing 'optical' in my /dev but who knows.
2024-06-17 15:00:11	gdamjan	I wish services would use DynamicUser=true more
2024-06-17 15:01:46	brocellous	You don't need those groups for anything. If you see the wiki recommending it, it's a candidate for update/removal.
2024-06-17 15:02:25	brocellous	they are replaced by logind and tag:uaccess:
2024-06-17 15:17:47	phonemic	Namarrgon: even though arch really could be "immortal," it seems prudent to reinstall every so often. I can imagine after years and years the landmines pile up.
2024-06-17 15:19:27	Scimmia	only in your home dir
2024-06-17 15:19:38	Scimmia	if well managed, at least
2024-06-17 15:54:53	Oddmonger	the only time i had reinstalled was during the switch to systemd
2024-06-17 15:56:41	bswartz	Oddmonger: Do you still pine for the days of System V?
2024-06-17 15:58:34	Oddmonger	i cry VAX
2024-06-17 16:00:30	Oddmonger	bswartz: remember `mknod` by hand ?
2024-06-17 16:00:46	Oddmonger	remember Yggdrasil …
2024-06-17 16:00:55	⚡ 	espresso does not miss CMS, VMS, SysV...
2024-06-17 16:01:30	Oddmonger	during vax time i was already on iseries, anyway
2024-06-17 16:02:33	ldiamond1	Startup finished in 14.137s (firmware) + 3.552s (loader) + 9.836s (kernel) + 21.799s (userspace) = 49.324s. I suppose I could save time in userspace, any way to save time on firmware?
2024-06-17 16:03:54	jadelclemens	Hey all, I'm using tuigreet with greetd and seeing system log errors pop up over tuigreet (ex. bluetooth subsystem has "malformed MSFT vendor event") and mess up the TUI, is there any way to silence these messages at least on a specific tty?
2024-06-17 16:03:58	espresso	ldiamond1: bios fast boot comes to mind, but that's obvious. Hmm... AW to the rescue.. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Improving_performance
2024-06-17 16:03:59	phrik	Title: Improving performance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-17 16:04:16	ldiamond1	espresso: yea fastboot is already on.
2024-06-17 16:06:45	espresso	ldiamond1: I guess that article is more about runtime, but maybe the boot-related pages will offer more, and certainly there would be some forum posts.
2024-06-17 16:07:31	ldiamond1	Feels like this may be a mobo thing where this specific one is just slow. For comparison, what's your firmware time?
2024-06-17 16:07:32	gdamjan	9.836s (kernel) also seems a bit long, I have 640ms (kernel) + 3.445s (initrd)
2024-06-17 16:07:47	gdamjan	systemd initrd, I guess that's why it shows them separate
2024-06-17 16:11:23	espresso	ldiamond1: the Z270 K6 I'm using now had a long boot delay (like 20s) at one point, which either fast boot or another setting resolved, and now it's more like 10 or so?
2024-06-17 16:11:28	ldiamond1	Yea I'll try to swap base and dev for systemd.
2024-06-17 16:11:55	ldiamond1	Do you have many HDDs? Might be waiting for them to spin up too
2024-06-17 16:12:29	espresso	I have a couple rotationals but no big complaints
2024-06-17 16:13:01	Oddmonger	suspend can speed up things a lot, too
2024-06-17 16:13:16	ldiamond1	There's actually a section on this: Staggered spin-up
2024-06-17 16:13:38	ldiamond1	Yea I normally just sleep to ram.
2024-06-17 16:15:08	ldiamond1	`libahci.ignore_sss=1` might help too.
2024-06-17 16:18:18	espresso	ah, interesting. I usually poweroff but S3 could be useful.. I guess my misconfiguration was breaking it last year with nvidia
2024-06-17 16:53:40	eson123	so i have been facing this issue where i cannot suspend my computer, it always wake up after a few seconds every time i try to "systemctl suspend -i", and i think i found this page which may help me https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate#Troubleshooting but i am not that pro in Linux yet so maybe a little help please along the way ? currently they say remove the
2024-06-17 16:53:40	eson123	kms module then rebuild initramfs and i am not very sure 
2024-06-17 16:53:40	eson123	which command is it, iirc it is somnething like "sudo update-initramfs -u -k $(uname -r)" ? 
2024-06-17 16:53:40	phrik	Title: Power management/Suspend and hibernate - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-17 16:54:09	MrElendig	!give eson123 mkinitcpio
2024-06-17 16:54:10	phrik	eson123: The most misunderstood tool in Arch history https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mkinitcpio
2024-06-17 17:05:39	espresso	eson123: I think this might cover kms removal? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#DRM_kernel_mode_setting
2024-06-17 17:05:41	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-17 17:05:44	MrAureliusR	Is there a webpage anywhere explaining how packages are chosen to migrate from the AUR to repos, if merited?
2024-06-17 17:06:46	Namarrgon	No but the process is simple. Package Maintainers adopt whatever they want.
2024-06-17 17:10:25	Antiz	MrAureliusR: There are actually some rules for packages to be moved from the AUR to the repositories, listed here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Package_Maintainer_guidelines#Rules_for_packages_entering_the_extra_repository
2024-06-17 17:10:25	phrik	Title: Package Maintainer guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-17 17:12:57	Antiz	But in reality those rules are not enforced in practice (as said in the "accuracy" note). So in the end it's kinda up to Package Maintainers (as Namarrgon  said).
2024-06-17 17:13:36	Namarrgon	You can bribe PMs though, i heard, from a friend...
2024-06-17 17:13:58	Antiz	!tacos
2024-06-17 17:13:59	phrik	http://buttersafe.com/comics/2010-01-19-lifeonthedesertisland.jpg
2024-06-17 17:17:15	eson123	Hm so far if i get the wiki right, i simply need to "mkinitcpio -P" ?
2024-06-17 17:17:59	Namarrgon	That would rebuild all presets, yes.
2024-06-17 17:18:09	eson123	ok then
2024-06-17 17:18:40	Namarrgon	'update-initramfs' is a debian thing, arch comes with mkinitcpio by default.
2024-06-17 17:19:29	espresso	eson123: (and what might be obvious, you would first need to reverse the edits that enabled KMS ;)
2024-06-17 17:21:54	MrAureliusR	Antiz: thanks for the info :)
2024-06-17 17:22:16	MrAureliusR	I'm hoping that a package maintainer eventually takes over Flutter, it's a pretty popular framework and the AUR implementations have been a bit of a mess
2024-06-17 17:25:01	eson123	espresso: but wait, the MODULES array is empty inside /etc/mkinitcpio.conf, don't see any kms module there so i don't think i need to rebuild initramfs ?
2024-06-17 17:25:42	Namarrgon	It's a HOOK
2024-06-17 17:26:27	eson123	oh wait yes, sorry
2024-06-17 17:29:49	Scimmia	Although IMO, you're better off adding the specific modules you need to the MODULES array
2024-06-17 17:30:07	Scimmia	otherwise the fallback balloons needlessly
2024-06-17 17:31:45	espresso	https://killedbygoogle.com/ is enormous by now and personally, I thought I would stick with the already existing and more mature toolkits
2024-06-17 17:31:45	phrik	Title: Google Graveyard - Killed by Google (at killedbygoogle.com)
2024-06-17 17:33:20	espresso	eson123: oh okay, I guess not!
2024-06-17 17:47:39	noumenon	casually just cleared up 80 GB of pacman cache
2024-06-17 17:47:43	noumenon	noice
2024-06-17 17:48:12	espresso	on the other hand, I'm glad google returned to public one of the nicest photorealistic realtime renderers I've seen, even if project management feels a bit.. tainted. https://github.com/google/filament
2024-06-17 17:48:40	espresso	noumenon: you may know of paccache :) https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Cleaning_the_package_cache
2024-06-17 17:48:41	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-17 17:58:11	noumenon	espresso: cool, didn't know about that
2024-06-17 17:58:38	noumenon	just saw in an old thread that running pacman -Sc would make for some cache-clearing action, and I needed some space for downloading, heh
2024-06-17 17:59:04	espresso	ah yes :) (I only found that one recently)
2024-06-17 18:00:47	espresso	also pacman.conf's [options] CacheDir=/wherever/you/want :D
2024-06-17 18:01:54	noumenon	CacheDir=/dev/null ;D
2024-06-17 18:23:34	Ennea	what do purple usernames in htop mean? could not find any info searching various websites
2024-06-17 18:26:17	gog	https://github.com/htop-dev/htop/blob/3.3.0/htop.1.in#L457-L460
2024-06-17 18:26:24	espresso	Ennea: F1 should show you the key
2024-06-17 18:26:47	gog	in this case it doesn't
2024-06-17 18:27:16	gog	a highlighted username means the process is running with an elevated privilege
2024-06-17 18:27:21	espresso	strange.. when I use F1/h it shows the color key
2024-06-17 18:27:24	Earnestly	Ennea: https://0x0.st/XT-f.txt
2024-06-17 18:27:28	gog	it doesn't mean "shared"
2024-06-17 18:27:31	gog	it's a different meaning
2024-06-17 18:28:04	MrElendig	"On Linux the username is highlighted if the process has elevated privileges, i.e. if it has been started from binaries with file capabilities set or retained Linux capabilities, via the ambient set, after switching from the root user."
2024-06-17 18:28:46	Ennea	gog, Earnestly: thanks!
2024-06-17 18:28:52	Ennea	and you too MrElendig :D
2024-06-17 18:29:03	Ennea	is this relatively new? i swear i've not seen this in the past
2024-06-17 18:29:22	gog	6 months
2024-06-17 18:29:46	Ennea	must not have paid much attention lately :)
2024-06-17 18:29:50	espresso	genuinely curious how those were the correct answers, when the question was about purple usernames and they are designated as 'shared' memory process :P
2024-06-17 18:30:05	Ennea	and why on earth is one of discord's processes highlighted that way..
2024-06-17 18:30:21	MrElendig	https://github.com/htop-dev/htop/pull/1072
2024-06-17 18:30:38	Ennea	espresso, the F1 built-in help specifically only has purple for colors in the memory bar, not the username
2024-06-17 18:31:11	espresso	ah yes, I see my mistake!
2024-06-17 18:31:57	espresso	thanks MrElendig ^_^
2024-06-17 18:34:07	espresso	probably a longshot, but is anyone else experiencing SDL melting down in Wayland for the past month or so? 'BadMatch' is becoming a villain from nightmares
2024-06-17 18:35:38	espresso	even statically-built binaries are melting down
2024-06-17 18:38:04	Ennea	hm. capabilities are quite difficult to understand
2024-06-17 18:40:55	Ennea	cap_sys_admin does not seem like something one of discord's child processes should have..
2024-06-17 18:41:14	chiselfuse	hello, can someone on arch paste me the output of `ls -l /usr/lib/libgnutls*` on their system? i messed up something on mine and want to compare it with a system that's not messed up
2024-06-17 18:43:05	Namarrgon	"pacman -Qkk gnutls" does not help?
2024-06-17 18:43:18	MrElendig	chiselfuse: compare it against -Ql gnutls
2024-06-17 18:43:38	MrElendig	in case of extra random symlinks created to "fix" things
2024-06-17 18:45:38	chiselfuse	i already compared them to those. i want to make sure
2024-06-17 18:46:01	espresso	chiselfuse: in case it may help, https://paste.rs/Zymna (Linux 6.9.5-arch1-1 2024-06-16 19:06:37 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux)
2024-06-17 18:46:04	chiselfuse	these also don't show me which are symlinks and which are not
2024-06-17 18:46:44	chiselfuse	espresso: it did, thanks a lot
2024-06-17 18:52:57	ZLima12	chiselfuse: out of curiosity, is there a reason why you couldn't just reinstall the package?
2024-06-17 19:08:48	chiselfuse	ZLima12: i did, but not all the files seemed to get updated
2024-06-17 19:09:00	chiselfuse	i also wasn't sure whether i had added some or not
2024-06-17 19:10:05	ZLima12	chiselfuse: I see
2024-06-17 19:10:20	ZLima12	For checking if you added them, you could do `pacman -Qo /usr/lib/libgnutls*`
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2024-06-18 08:11:31	BrainDamage	yes, but then you'll have a config file edit, which means that it won't be automatically replaced by pacman, so you'll end up with pacnew and manual review
2024-06-18 08:11:42	espresso	true, just a small review
2024-06-18 08:11:51	predicament	you'd still have to to do it manually
2024-06-18 08:11:54	espresso	ok, so it's more useful on other .confs :P
2024-06-18 08:11:58	predicament	yeah what BrainDamage said.
2024-06-18 08:13:22	BrainDamage	you could create a hook that inserts the line on a pristine pacman.conf pacnew, but eehh, ideally pacman upstream should just add that as default
2024-06-18 08:17:37	predicament	could do a lot of things :P
2024-06-18 08:17:42	predicament	beyond hooks lol
2024-06-18 08:18:08	BrainDamage	yeah, it feels dirty as solution, even as a temporary one
2024-06-18 08:18:17	predicament	^
2024-06-18 08:18:20	predicament	yes sir.
2024-06-18 08:19:23	espresso	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Pacnew_and_Pacsave#pacdiff to the rescue
2024-06-18 08:19:25	phrik	Title: pacman/Pacnew and Pacsave - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-18 08:20:04	predicament	eh what rescue :P
2024-06-18 08:20:08	predicament	it built successfully
2024-06-18 08:20:44	predicament	btw, i've read that wiki page a thousand times
2024-06-18 08:21:32	predicament	I remember when all I did was do ubuntu..
2024-06-18 08:21:54	predicament	I hate it now, I love manual setups.  my first distro was arch 0.7 :P
2024-06-18 08:22:03	predicament	2005 or 2006 i think
2024-06-18 08:24:35	Edu4rdSHL	I love having my OS the exact way that I want, but if I can avoid manual configs I'm very happy. e.g: doing the first configuration manually and then doing some automation to get the same one if something happens
2024-06-18 08:24:47	BrainDamage	I hate manual steps, but rickety solutions aren't ones
2024-06-18 08:25:05	espresso	I found Arch around 2015(?), some time after Slackware, after uni Ultrix/VAX..
2024-06-18 08:25:16	predicament	I see
2024-06-18 08:26:07	predicament	Edu4rdSHL you and me both
2024-06-18 08:26:26	predicament	i dont mena like all manual
2024-06-18 08:26:40	predicament	i mean back in 05, linux was HARD to use compared to now
2024-06-18 08:26:45	predicament	now it's really easy to install.
2024-06-18 08:28:09	predicament	jelle, what do you think?
2024-06-18 08:29:37	espresso	arch seems to lend well to automated setups. though by now I'm familiar with the manual process and find installs stay so clean for so long...
2024-06-18 08:30:02	predicament	my intsall has messed up once and someone saved me
2024-06-18 08:30:05	predicament	i forget who
2024-06-18 08:30:27	predicament	but in one of my laptops it has a bug for arch.  an amd bug that freezes it sometimes randomly, completely locks it up
2024-06-18 08:30:42	predicament	had to use a long paclog command
2024-06-18 08:31:37	predicament	paclog --after "$(date -Iminutes --date '5 hours ago')" | grep -oE "upgraded (\S+)" |cut -d ' ' -f 2 | paru -S --overwrite='*' -`
2024-06-18 08:32:04	espresso	years ago, I was convinced I had bricked my EFI, but someone here brought me back from the brink like new, so yeah
2024-06-18 08:32:33	predicament	Yes.
2024-06-18 08:32:38	predicament	Understood.
2024-06-18 08:33:40	predicament	they always have like 50 ways to do it
2024-06-18 08:34:08	predicament	which is good, obviously... i mean its just linux at the end of the day.  my favorite distro, somehow :P
2024-06-18 08:34:18	espresso	in my case, it was just something re. bootloader
2024-06-18 08:34:30	predicament	grub?
2024-06-18 08:34:44	predicament	i mean yeah you said you thought you bricked EFI
2024-06-18 08:34:49	predicament	How did that occur?
2024-06-18 08:34:51	espresso	I was just switching to systemd-boot
2024-06-18 08:34:58	predicament	ohhh
2024-06-18 08:36:28	predicament	espresso, switching to systemd-boot from.. ?
2024-06-18 08:38:47	espresso	I was switching to systemd-boot from grub at the time. I had some detail wrong and the incredibly vague boot error had me thinking I broke the EFI with efibootmgr or something.
2024-06-18 08:43:23	⚡ 	raster hugs his grub
2024-06-18 08:43:40	raster	there there little grubby... i won't abandon you. :) 
2024-06-18 08:44:11	predicament	i still use it as well raster
2024-06-18 08:44:52	raster	predicament: your grub thanks you for your loyalty. :)
2024-06-18 08:44:59	predicament	kik
2024-06-18 08:45:04	predicament	lol*
2024-06-18 08:45:24	KDDLB	aww
2024-06-18 08:45:39	predicament	aww what.
2024-06-18 08:46:29	espresso	do like systemd-boot dead simplicity, but also like GrUB, still the undisputed Grandest :)
2024-06-18 08:48:25	predicament	Some people that don't know how to sign their distro... o0o.aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
2024-06-18 08:48:47	predicament	accident, sorry
2024-06-18 08:51:05	raster	i don't sign bootloader/kernel... i just disable secure boot and live in the past like i always have done :)
2024-06-18 08:52:42	espresso	predicament: these things happen. these days, and at high typematic rates. in IRC years ago I pasted a whole-page pr0n spam email instead of into an incident report, without even being floodkicked :(
2024-06-18 08:53:38	espresso	raster: in some circumstances, secure boot just seems a waste
2024-06-18 08:53:40	⚡ 	raster wonders what espresso was doing copying/selecting the spam pr0n ...
2024-06-18 08:53:45	predicament	so your goal was to be kicked
2024-06-18 08:53:54	predicament	that makes little sense
2024-06-18 08:53:54	raster	espresso: to be fair - it has a purpose. 
2024-06-18 08:54:04	espresso	oh absolutely
2024-06-18 08:54:19	raster	but for MY uses... i think it's likely pointless
2024-06-18 08:54:23	predicament	espresso, could you try to explain what you mean again
2024-06-18 08:54:57	raster	as i only run linux - no other os's. so the only attack vector is via that... and that limits my attack surface.
2024-06-18 08:55:32	Edu4rdSHL	Honestly, experienced users are almost "safe" no matter what OS they use
2024-06-18 08:55:35	raster	and running arch makes it less likely etc.
2024-06-18 08:55:49	espresso	predicament: I had meant to paste-quote the email in a different one reporting it to a spamhouse, but accidentally did in IRC
2024-06-18 08:56:01	Edu4rdSHL	They aren't going to download and run random things just because yes, etc, which is from most problems came from
2024-06-18 08:56:28	raster	the only attacker that is likely to get to me is a state actor very specifically targetting me and spenidng huged amounts of $ on specialists to do so... but i don't see that happening as i have nothing of value to those people :)
2024-06-18 08:57:50	raster	the kinds of attacks on linuxen are either going for servers and services ... or going to go for the most popular distros where one pre-canned attack/virus can easily get success as all those systems are identical ... so all in all i see checking signatures on boot just a hassle i don't want to deal with, with no real value add for security :)
2024-06-18 09:03:41	espresso	(oh - I meant I favor channel flood protection, not necessarily instant kicking.) Yes, those seem to be most common scenario.
2024-06-18 09:07:17	⚡ 	cloudowind tries to understand 
2024-06-18 09:08:54	⚡ 	raster has no clue
2024-06-18 09:11:07	espresso	cloudowind: Just saying that I once spammed in IRC and wished it would have stopped me after 5, 10, 20 lines. xD  And also stated my agreement with channel discussion. :)
2024-06-18 09:12:13	cloudowind	thanks for clarification ;)  was trying to understand how raster using his arch kernels unsigned as well 
2024-06-18 09:12:55	raster	yeah - just turned it off :)
2024-06-18 09:13:19	cloudowind	:) fair enough 
2024-06-18 09:17:09	espresso	cloudowind: yes, I think of it as *not* going through steps :) of enabling Secure Boot in BIOS and setup: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface/Secure_Boot
2024-06-18 09:17:10	phrik	Title: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface/Secure Boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-18 09:57:55	rick-prime	anyone use openbox? trying to get dmenu set up but everytime i run it, it doesn't read my programs in /usr/bin/ like i3 does
2024-06-18 10:04:21	virtualsid	if you run just 'dmenu' does that work...?
2024-06-18 10:04:45	virtualsid	in a terminal, I mean
2024-06-18 10:05:29	virtualsid	actually, ignore me. I seem to be totally misremembering how dmenu works
2024-06-18 10:10:01	funkymonkey	i'm trying to compile tvheadend from source, when i run configure i get "no c compiler found" how to fix?
2024-06-18 10:10:36	gromit	funkymonkey: did you install base-devel? 
2024-06-18 10:10:59	shynoob	is this alright? https://bpa.st/ZGZA
2024-06-18 10:10:59	phrik	Title: View paste ZGZA (at bpa.st)
2024-06-18 10:11:47	shynoob	I honestly cant make out what is causing the noise to come from my laptop
2024-06-18 10:12:00	funkymonkey	gromit: yes
2024-06-18 10:12:05	pulec	why isn't there #archlinux-steamdeck yet?
2024-06-18 10:12:10	pulec	#steamdeck is dead apparently
2024-06-18 10:13:11	pulec	shynoob: fan speeds seems a bit high but if it's not too loud it's fine, temps are also reasonable, but don't rely on sensors 100% feel your hand, I guess there is some load
2024-06-18 10:13:19	pulec	what kind of noise are you getting? in speakers?
2024-06-18 10:13:30	shynoob	nope 
2024-06-18 10:13:32	pulec	on power supply? or on battery too?
2024-06-18 10:13:44	shynoob	dont have battery
2024-06-18 10:13:47	shynoob	using direct AC
2024-06-18 10:13:49	pulec	I see
2024-06-18 10:13:57	pulec	so what kind of noise is it?
2024-06-18 10:14:07	shynoob	maybe its fan but not sure
2024-06-18 10:14:32	pulec	what is your load? you can see in uptime or htop
2024-06-18 10:14:34	shynoob	its just vibratory
2024-06-18 10:14:49	gromit	pulec: because the steamdeck does not run Arch Linux but steamos, which is only based on Arch
2024-06-18 10:14:53	pulec	is it old laptop? brand? model? it might be the bearings are wearing out
2024-06-18 10:14:59	shynoob	Load average 0.03 0.19 0.13
2024-06-18 10:15:05	shynoob	2016 laptop
2024-06-18 10:15:09	gromit	funkymonkey: hm, is there a detailed error? 
2024-06-18 10:15:09	pulec	gromit: well you can install arch on it
2024-06-18 10:15:09	shynoob	thinkpad l450
2024-06-18 10:15:22	shynoob	bought in 2017
2024-06-18 10:15:37	pulec	shynoob: have you cleaned it? compressed air would do
2024-06-18 10:15:41	shynoob	havent used it for the past 2 years
2024-06-18 10:15:48	shynoob	no, havent cleaned it
2024-06-18 10:16:01	shynoob	not easily available so bit expensive here
2024-06-18 10:16:04	pulec	thinkpads can be usually taken apart and cleaned opened
2024-06-18 10:16:15	shynoob	I'll find a screwdriver hen
2024-06-18 10:16:57	shynoob	also pulec, bit offtopic, would you know anything about glfw?
2024-06-18 10:17:18	shynoob	I've installed it on arch, but for some reason its saying not found
2024-06-18 10:17:42	pulec	nope, don't know anything about the opengl library
2024-06-18 10:18:10	shynoob	ah ok
2024-06-18 10:18:31	funkymonkey	gromit: not really, this is all i get:
2024-06-18 10:18:36	funkymonkey	./configure
2024-06-18 10:18:36	funkymonkey	Checking support/features
2024-06-18 10:18:36	funkymonkey	ERROR: No C compiler found
2024-06-18 10:18:55	shynoob	I dont mind the noise, so as long as its just the fan .. its alright .. and hope no other part of the hardware is affected, pulec
2024-06-18 10:18:56	shynoob	thanks
2024-06-18 10:19:26	pulec	but if you installed https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/glfw/ and tried code like https://www.glfw.org/documentation.html it should work, that's C though and I am not on archlinux PC right now I can't test
2024-06-18 10:19:28	gromit	funkymonkey: whats in configure.log
2024-06-18 10:19:30	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - glfw 3.4-2 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2024-06-18 10:19:32	gromit	!give funkymonkey rs
2024-06-18 10:19:33	phrik	funkymonkey: <command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2024-06-18 10:26:58	funkymonkey	gromit: where is the configure.log? i have none i think
2024-06-18 10:27:20	gromit	funkymonkey: I think it is usually generated next to the configure scripts
2024-06-18 10:29:37	funkymonkey	hm nothing here but a file called configure which is bash script for configure it seems 
2024-06-18 10:32:16	astralc	multipoint headphone are all good.... until your phone get notification, that change the buttons to control it instead the computer
2024-06-18 10:44:49	funkymonkey	hm let me update and reboot my system
2024-06-18 10:45:00	funkymonkey	i thin kthat is the isseu
2024-06-18 10:45:07	funkymonkey	thank you for your support gromit 
2024-06-18 11:06:11	cloudowind	espresso has gone missed him , such a nice spirit he is 
2024-06-18 11:16:34	tatsumaru	hello, is there an offical pre-configured arch image with a DE that I can install in a VM if I want to boot a quick environment to test something?
2024-06-18 11:17:01	Edu4rdSHL	tatsumaru, no
2024-06-18 11:17:04	grawity	official one? no, I don't think so
2024-06-18 11:17:11	Edu4rdSHL	Maybe one of the arch-based ones
2024-06-18 11:17:18	Edu4rdSHL	But as grawity said, official no
2024-06-18 11:17:33	tatsumaru	I see, thanks
2024-06-18 11:17:46	grawity	we don't have an official default DE in general, either
2024-06-18 11:37:00	novns	someone can implement some DE and call it "Official Default Desktop Environment"
2024-06-18 11:37:07	novns	ODDE
2024-06-18 12:03:34	jancoow	mhmh. I just updated a few packages and harfbuzz-icu , now I get pacman: error while loading shared libraries: libicuuc.so.74: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2024-06-18 12:03:40	jancoow	what would the best way to solve this issue
2024-06-18 12:04:54	gromit	jancoow: you will have to do a full upgrade, for example with https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/pacman-static
2024-06-18 12:04:56	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - pacman-static (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-06-18 12:05:13	jancoow	thnx
2024-06-18 12:05:15	gromit	You can find its binaries here: https://pkgbuild.com/~morganamilo/pacman-static/x86_64/bin/
2024-06-18 12:05:16	phrik	Title: Index of /~morganamilo/pacman-static/x86_64/bin/ (at pkgbuild.com)
2024-06-18 12:05:47	jancoow	i can still install with trizen
2024-06-18 12:06:00	jancoow	mhm nvm
2024-06-18 12:06:05	jancoow	gpg keys out of date..
2024-06-18 12:06:59	wunit	jancoow: after you've fixed it, this is a recommended read: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_maintenance#Partial_upgrades_are_unsupported
2024-06-18 12:07:00	phrik	Title: System maintenance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-18 12:12:32	gdamjan	ugh, someone moved jellyfin-ffmpeg to extra, but it depends on x265 from extra-testing (https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/jellyfin-ffmpeg/)
2024-06-18 12:17:30	demonicmaniac1	gdamjan: huh? so the provides is wrong in the x265 or the depends? because x265 in extra provides libx265.so=209-64 and jellyfin-ffmpeg depends on libx265.so=209-64
2024-06-18 12:18:13	astralc	which is in testing..
2024-06-18 12:18:18	gdamjan	x265 in extra provides libx265.so=199-64
2024-06-18 12:18:22	demonicmaniac1	gdamjan: oh nvm i'm stupid, testing provides libx265.so=209-64 extra provides 199-64
2024-06-18 12:18:28	demonicmaniac1	yeah just saw
2024-06-18 12:44:00	edgy	Hi, in KDE when I get any administrative/sudo/runas window, there is a "switch" option where I can choose a different user. I noticed my first/admin user is repeated twice, why is that?
2024-06-18 12:48:14	alwyn	How usable is iwd nowadays? Or should I still stick to wpa_supplicant
2024-06-18 13:07:37	gdamjan	I'm using it some 5 years now
2024-06-18 13:08:09	gdamjan	logs on this computer say since 0.22-2 (not sure if I had some older install)
2024-06-18 13:14:00	demonicmaniac1	alwyn: if you need more than iwd provides you can use wpa_supplicant but i'm using iwd myself for over a year now and works fine
2024-06-18 13:15:31	astralc	if you need WEP
2024-06-18 13:17:10	demonicmaniac1	or wext i guess i don't think iwd supports wext drivers right?
2024-06-18 13:17:18	demonicmaniac1	similar vintage tho
2024-06-18 14:06:27	gdamjan	gromit: \o/
2024-06-18 15:03:00	zayd	is the systemd-tmpfiles deleting /home with systemd 256 issue a thing on arch?
2024-06-18 15:03:54	xx	if you run the command, yes
2024-06-18 15:03:54	grawity	the one where it deletes /home if you run it with --purge?
2024-06-18 15:04:04	grawity	or the one where it deletes /home without being asked?
2024-06-18 15:04:19	xx	there's one where it does without asking???
2024-06-18 15:04:27	grawity	not that I know of, no
2024-06-18 15:04:41	zayd	grawity: https://mathstodon.xyz/@bremner/112615591101488528 this one
2024-06-18 15:04:42	phrik	Title: David Bremner: "systemd-tmpfiles, deleting /home" - Mathstodon (at mathstodon.xyz)
2024-06-18 15:04:50	xx	grawity: yeah don't scare me like that
2024-06-18 15:05:01	grawity	> running it with the option that asks it to purge things
2024-06-18 15:05:04	grawity	Don't Do It Then
2024-06-18 15:06:01	zayd	am i missing something or is there pretty much no reason why it should be touching all of /home
2024-06-18 15:06:17	grawity	it apparently has a config that auto-creates an empty /home (among other things)
2024-06-18 15:06:30	grawity	since a major use case of tmpfiles was "starting from an empty rootfs", after all
2024-06-18 15:07:24	grawity	so it looks like it just does what it was configured to do, and whoever added --purge forgot that
2024-06-18 15:19:50	jelle	I have no idea why people even find a reason to run systemd-tmpfiles --purge
2024-06-18 15:24:38	ponies	hmm other distros don't have the --purge option
2024-06-18 15:26:58	astralc	ponies: it is new in systemd 256
2024-06-18 15:26:59	Namarrgon	Other distros are still on systemd 13.
2024-06-18 15:28:03	ponies	aaah ok. this is fedora so redhat 
2024-06-18 15:30:22	astralc	!lennart
2024-06-18 15:30:22	phrik	http://i.imgur.com/OBCHAnL.jpg
2024-06-18 15:30:46	KDDLB	does Arch not run that on its own, right? ... right?
2024-06-18 15:31:12	jelle	KDDLB: why would it?
2024-06-18 15:31:17	KDDLB	ah good
2024-06-18 15:36:22	demonicmaniac1	grawity: still seems weird to me. wouldn't those usecases be handled by systemd-homed and user creation/deletion via homectl?
2024-06-18 15:36:30	grawity	the point was
2024-06-18 15:36:45	grawity	that systemd-tmpfiles doesn't consider it a specific use case
2024-06-18 15:36:56	grawity	it's told "create empty /home 0755 root:root"
2024-06-18 15:37:27	grawity	it doesn't handle individual user homedirs or anything like that
2024-06-18 15:41:31	demonicmaniac1	ah
2024-06-18 15:52:05	PowaBanga	 cmd: archlinux ⇢ https://0x0.st/XTAB.txt
2024-06-18 15:53:26	PowaBanga	 cmd: echo  powabanga °Â ~ °Â lsusb                                                                   ²Â 127 
2024-06-18 15:53:51	PowaBanga	 cmd: echo powabanga °Â ~ °Â lsusb                                                                   ²Â 127 
2024-06-18 15:54:01	Scimmia	PowaBanga: are you asking a question?
2024-06-18 15:54:04	astralc	PowaBanga: what?
2024-06-18 15:54:29	PowaBanga	ho shit sorry it's a fail
2024-06-18 15:54:30	ponies	'they' know what he meant 
2024-06-18 15:54:31	gromit	PowaBanga: also please try to give outputs in english as described here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bug_reporting_guidelines#Gather_useful_information
2024-06-18 15:54:32	phrik	Title: Bug reporting guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-18 15:54:43	PowaBanga	i just totaly fail sorry
2024-06-18 16:14:02	zipper	Hello, I am trying to run a bash script that needs append_path but getting that it is not found. My current default shell is zsh. I basically want to set up cuda https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GPGPU#CUDA
2024-06-18 16:14:04	phrik	Title: GPGPU - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-18 16:14:39	zipper	I can see it is defined here in /etc/profile
2024-06-18 16:14:47	zipper	by it I mean append_file
2024-06-18 16:16:28	ponies	but append_file is not append_path. 
2024-06-18 16:17:45	zipper	Sorry I meant append_path
2024-06-18 16:18:17	zipper	ponies:  https://paste.rs/UltZt
2024-06-18 16:18:59	ponies	well isnt it defined in /etc/profile.d/cuda.sh? 
2024-06-18 16:20:18	zipper	It is defined in /etc/profile 
2024-06-18 16:20:33	zipper	but I don't know how to tell bash to laod what is there
2024-06-18 16:21:08	gromit	zipper: "source /etc/profile.d/cuda.sh"
2024-06-18 16:21:34	ponies	you can 'source' it manually ofc. but begs the question why this seems broken. i dont know what is in cuda.sh
2024-06-18 16:25:33	ponies	just want to add seeing that you have mentioned '/etc/profile' twice: is that file meant to be sourced? 
2024-06-18 16:27:05	zipper	It's not working. Here's some more info including the contents of cuda.sh https://paste.rs/HIxky
2024-06-18 16:27:30	zipper	I don't see why sourcing cuda.sh would work though. It basically updates my PATH
2024-06-18 16:27:57	zipper	or should I copy cuda.sh to my user
2024-06-18 16:29:40	gromit	zipper: err, I think you need to source /etc/profile x) 
2024-06-18 16:29:53	gromit	Because that defines append_path
2024-06-18 16:30:23	wunit	zipper: /etc/profile unsets append_path after it's done sourcing the snippets, hence why it's not available in your interactive shell (and you can't source the snippets directly)
2024-06-18 16:31:36	zipper	gromit: I did try that
2024-06-18 16:31:42	zipper	It did not work
2024-06-18 16:31:59	gromit	zipper: please do it and send the output to a paste service again
2024-06-18 16:32:14	gromit	also check if you have a /etc/profile.pacnew
2024-06-18 16:32:19	zipper	In the earlier paste this one  https://paste.rs/HIxky it is the fource command 
2024-06-18 16:32:34	zipper	Let me check out this pacnew thing. I have seen people talk about it on google
2024-06-18 16:33:03	gromit	zipper: well but that worked without error, so whats the issue? 
2024-06-18 16:33:21	wunit	zipper: according to the output, you have sourced /etc/profile, so it should also have sourced your cuda.sh correctly---what's in your $PATH now?
2024-06-18 16:33:32	zipper	I don't have a /etc/profile.pacnew
2024-06-18 16:35:44	zipper	wunit: hmm you're right. Cuda seems to be in my $PATH. My assumption was I need to first source /etc/profile then run cuda.sh
2024-06-18 16:35:53	zipper	My PATH https://paste.rs/pzab1
2024-06-18 16:36:53	zipper	I can't see how that worked unless cuda installed my /etc/profile 
2024-06-18 16:37:35	Namarrgon	You're not meant to run that manually, it's meant to be sourced by /etc/profile
2024-06-18 16:37:38	wunit	zipper: cuda drops a profile snippet in /etc/profile.d, which is then sourced by /etc/profile, this is as expected :-)
2024-06-18 16:38:00	wunit	that being said... /sbin, /bin, /usr/sbin ---that $PATH looks *very* crowded
2024-06-18 16:38:59	wunit	either there's some old/stale profile snippet adding all those unnecessary paths, or you've got an awkward system setup with those directories not merged yet
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2024-06-18 17:25:20	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-06-18 17:25:20	ℹ 	Topic set by phrik (~phrik@phrik.archlinux.org) on Sat, 10 Feb 2024 18:25:44
2024-06-18 17:25:20	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1450 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1450 regular)
2024-06-18 17:25:21	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-06-18 17:25:27	ℹ 	Mode #archlinux [+Cnrt]
2024-06-18 17:25:27	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-06-18 17:42:54	enoq	I'm looking at a server where the mount command shows me that an NFS volume is mounted at a location TWICE
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2024-06-18 17:43:14	enoq	how does that even work?
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2024-06-18 17:51:49	espresso	enoq: maybe findmnt can offer a bit more info
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2024-06-18 17:57:31	enoq	espresso, that one only shows the mount once
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2024-06-18 17:58:14	enoq	ah nvm, my bad
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2024-06-18 17:59:16	enoq	https://dpaste.com/4YFF33PLR
2024-06-18 17:59:17	phrik	Title: dpaste: 4YFF33PLR (at dpaste.com)
2024-06-18 17:59:50	espresso	enoq: I think mount shows bind mounts as duplicate entries, whie findmnt can distinguish them..
2024-06-18 18:00:23	espresso	enoq: huh.
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2024-06-18 18:02:30	predicament	espreso hello :)
2024-06-18 18:02:38	predicament	espressso*  lol
2024-06-18 18:02:51	predicament	oh my lord forget it :P
2024-06-18 18:03:27	predicament	This keyboard is a little whacky, sorry.
2024-06-18 18:03:28	espresso	hello :)
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2024-06-18 18:04:06	predicament	so yeah im still kinda in shock it built after a day of doing nothing to it
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2024-06-18 18:05:29	predicament	what I noticed is this: This package requires a Rust 32 bit target, please run rustup target install i686-unknown-linux-gnu BEFORE posting any issues if you're using rustup.  -- I think something was wrong with rust and cmake maybe.. it's just speculation since meson is part of the building system.
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2024-06-18 18:06:32	predicament	Maybe a typo or a bug but after updating and having to reboot the machines.  Except this one lol.
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2024-06-18 18:06:53	predicament	I think I just built it later on here and it was fixed by then.
2024-06-18 18:07:00	predicament	That's my guess espresso. 
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2024-06-18 18:07:44	predicament	it's huge cause adobe reader sorta works
2024-06-18 18:07:58	predicament	Huge for me, anyway. lol.
2024-06-18 18:08:07	predicament	That thing is a pain in the butt
2024-06-18 18:08:09	espresso	yeah, these are fairly complex machines and occasionally there's a wrench :)
2024-06-18 18:08:27	predicament	Oh yeah absolutely
2024-06-18 18:08:44	predicament	I'm just glad it built lol
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2024-06-18 18:09:13	predicament	I mean I had to really read up on that wiki, my goodness
2024-06-18 18:09:35	predicament	the um.. blessing and curse of Arch
2024-06-18 18:09:37	predicament	:P
2024-06-18 18:10:38	espresso	:) it is pretty massive, and helps with Linux information base
2024-06-18 18:10:50	predicament	absolutely! yes!
2024-06-18 18:11:30	predicament	Sorry, just thankful for the documentation
2024-06-18 18:11:48	predicament	I've been able to slow down my reading and understanding.  You have no idea how annoying I used to be.
2024-06-18 18:12:04	predicament	... welll maybe you are getting that idea right now lol
2024-06-18 18:12:06	espresso	no worries! and yeah, the downside is handling all that info
2024-06-18 18:12:30	predicament	I am also trying not to curse too much
2024-06-18 18:12:45	predicament	that part is gonna be tough
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2024-06-18 18:13:29	predicament	I was really, really annoying.  I stil am, but it's not as bad or I'd be knocked out of here lmmediately.
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2024-06-18 18:15:03	predicament	I also try to just make sure it's on topic and since this is all part of the building system, the way we spoke about it.. it's technically on topic.  Nothing wrong with that espresso :)
2024-06-18 18:15:03	espresso	predicament: nah, we've seen problematic users (I moderated a dev forum) and that isn't it ;)
2024-06-18 18:15:14	predicament	Not now, no
2024-06-18 18:15:54	predicament	Trust me, I just did not read as much documentation as I should have with a lot of things and got lucky.  this command saved my butt:
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2024-06-18 18:17:01	predicament	paclog --after "$(date -Iminutes --date '5 hours ago')" | grep -oE "upgraded (\S+)" |cut -d ' ' -f 2 | paru -S --overwrite='*' -
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2024-06-18 18:17:29	predicament	I mentioned this last night, it was big because my system crashed (the one I want Adobe Reader to work so bad on)
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2024-06-18 18:18:58	predicament	There was a missing dbus file and the quickest way was chroot into it and just use the paclog command, cause I had done it less than 5 hours ago at that time.  The rest is not pacman, but rather paru because I had been using paru and the snapd package needed to be reinstalled as well.
2024-06-18 18:19:50	predicament	Edu4rdSHL saved my ass.
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2024-06-18 18:20:39	espresso	predicament: sure. Nice that this channel and ops are considerate. Language: yeah, it helps to think we probably get some younger users, and one can imagine a strict parent over their shoulder, etc. / And you sort of taught me the paclog command
2024-06-18 18:20:55	predicament	lmao
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2024-06-18 18:21:39	predicament	yes, Edu4rdSHL mostly taught it lol.  But I understand the syntax within it
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2024-06-18 18:23:33	predicament	however I did not think of paclog at the time, I don't even think I really knew about it.  It's a very helpful command, yes... it took all of the packages so... if your system freezes and you notice d-bus isn't working, then something went wrong.  I had updated it and completed the systemd updates, and when I typed reboot, it froze.
2024-06-18 18:25:30	predicament	So it caused the ssd it has to lose a file.  I used to think the bug that it has (the one where it can freeze randomly at anytime because it's an AMD Ryzen 5 2500U.  That specific processor has a bug that makes it freeze randomly and we still do not know why lol.
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2024-06-18 18:26:04	predicament	And I hate any other distro.  Arch is on 100% of my network espresso LOL.
2024-06-18 18:26:09	emptyarray	Where's the best place to look for bugs before I do a system update?  Archlinux.org homepage and it would be in the latest news?
2024-06-18 18:26:25	predicament	no you look in the logs
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2024-06-18 18:26:36	predicament	dmesg is how we caught it  I think
2024-06-18 18:27:00	gehidore	emptyarray yes.
2024-06-18 18:27:15	predicament	I also took a picture of what was happening and they noticed something during bootup that I didn't notice
2024-06-18 18:27:34	predicament	emptyarray I'm sorry, I saw espresso as your nickname
2024-06-18 18:28:06	predicament	I also didnt see "to look for bugs *BEFORE* a system update" so my apologies
2024-06-18 18:28:18	emptyarray	haha no problem. Thanks for info all
2024-06-18 18:28:30	espresso	https://bugzilla.kernel.org/ seems one place to check on CPU workarounds
2024-06-18 18:28:37	predicament	dmesg is after it happens
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2024-06-18 18:28:54	predicament	yeah espresso I looked on there and I haven't found one yet
2024-06-18 18:29:06	predicament	yet.  I'm workin on that :P
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2024-06-18 18:40:28	Edu4rdSHL	predicament, I made a script that does all that automagically https://github.com/Edu4rdSHL/archlinux-pkgrecover :p
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2024-06-19 13:25:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-06-19 13:25:01	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1438 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1438 regular)
2024-06-19 01:28:21	predicament	-k --dmesg                 Show kernel message log from the current boot
2024-06-19 01:28:30	Edu4rdSHL	predicament, see the manpage or even --help for journalctl
2024-06-19 01:28:45	predicament	I am looking at --help atm.
2024-06-19 01:30:08	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL alias sudo='run0'
2024-06-19 01:30:13	predicament	-b maybe?
2024-06-19 01:30:42	Edu4rdSHL	Yes
2024-06-19 01:32:18	predicament	whoa
2024-06-19 01:32:56	Namarrgon	bloomu.edu does serve a bad copy
2024-06-19 01:33:07	predicament	there we go
2024-06-19 01:34:03	predicament	lots of cinnamon entries Edu4rdSHL.
2024-06-19 01:34:15	predicament	looks liek there is an update coming btw.
2024-06-19 01:34:32	predicament	I think they noticed what I noticed.  It's been flagged out of date as of today.
2024-06-19 01:35:48	Namarrgon	https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon/blob/master/debian/changelog
2024-06-19 01:35:51	Namarrgon	They did not.
2024-06-19 01:36:01	predicament	well damn.
2024-06-19 01:36:25	predicament	ill paste what it says when i | grep cinnamon
2024-06-19 01:37:43	Edu4rdSHL	No
2024-06-19 01:37:46	Edu4rdSHL	Post the whole thing
2024-06-19 01:37:53	predicament	sure
2024-06-19 01:38:30	predicament	i'm gonna have to > it somehwere hang on.  a lot lol.
2024-06-19 01:39:20	Edu4rdSHL	!give predicament 0x0
2024-06-19 01:39:21	phrik	predicament: curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-06-19 01:39:28	sysanon_guest54	predicament just as a sanity check did you configure your journald to write to disk or is it only writing to memory?
2024-06-19 01:41:22	predicament	https://0x0.st/XTuQ.txt Edu4rdSHL
2024-06-19 01:41:43	predicament	usually I'm under a zen kernel
2024-06-19 01:42:15	predicament	but I've been trying things.
2024-06-19 01:43:53	predicament	and yes I connected it to ethernet for a few minutes to copy something via sftp quicker, wireless link is low in this spot.
2024-06-19 01:44:07	Edu4rdSHL	predicament, does "reboot" from terminal works? It seems an issue with Cinnamon directly
2024-06-19 01:44:15	predicament	oh absolutely it works.
2024-06-19 01:44:18	predicament	just the menu part
2024-06-19 01:44:19	Edu4rdSHL	https://paste.rs/kDuSF.txt
2024-06-19 01:44:20	phrik	Title: Source Code | kDuSF | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-06-19 01:44:32	predicament	its only when i do it from the menu.
2024-06-19 01:44:37	Edu4rdSHL	> Unable to start session: Lost name on bus: org.gnome.SessionManager
2024-06-19 01:45:12	predicament	I logged out a couple of times instead of rebooting when i was doing the copying.
2024-06-19 01:45:38	Edu4rdSHL	Is your system full up-to-date?
2024-06-19 01:45:42	predicament	i used the menu, pressed restart, but it just logged out. lol.  now i dont know why it says that but it does this on every cinnamon box i've been using
2024-06-19 01:45:44	predicament	yes sir.
2024-06-19 01:45:53	predicament	all of of them are as of two hours ago
2024-06-19 01:47:03	predicament	maybe three hours at most but yeah they're updated including the latest systemd
2024-06-19 01:47:20	predicament	which has this computer taking 90 seconds for that other issue that i've yet to figure out.
2024-06-19 01:47:33	predicament	90 seconds to boot. pardon me.*
2024-06-19 01:48:01	Edu4rdSHL	I see. It looks like that Cinnamon is not being able to comunicate via DBus properly, but as I have never used Cinnamon I can't help anymore
2024-06-19 01:48:40	predicament	Weird.  Alright, well, I guess I'll just deal with it.  Not a huge deal, just noticed it happening today.
2024-06-19 01:48:52	predicament	and the owner of this one.. well, they will have to deal with it
2024-06-19 01:49:02	predicament	but i will try reverting cinnamon maybe..
2024-06-19 01:50:52	predicament	gonna see what happens here
2024-06-19 01:51:31	sysanon_guest54	other than the restart/logout issue how is cinnamon on arch?
2024-06-19 01:51:40	sysanon_guest54	I havent used it since mint
2024-06-19 01:59:18	predicament	sysanon_guest54 and Edu4rdSHL: downgrading cinnamon and a few of its dependencies including muffin works.
2024-06-19 01:59:27	predicament	now it reboots like it should
2024-06-19 01:59:58	predicament	so it's definitely not me
2024-06-19 02:03:04	sysanon_guest54	before up grading again use pacman -Qe and spit that into a text file and again after you update and use diff to see what actually changing
2024-06-19 02:03:18	sysanon_guest54	that should narrow down your search
2024-06-19 02:05:11	predicament	well the thing is.. i'm not sure which package exactly is causing the problem since I did it along with a few dependencies.  What I'll do is just upgrade it all again and I guess I'll pacman -Qe cinnamon otherpackage etc > changes.txt -- something like that
2024-06-19 02:07:37	predicament	gonna have my USB ready in case i need to chroot.
2024-06-19 02:11:31	sysanon_guest54	at least you know that its a package from the recent update limits the amount of search you need to do
2024-06-19 02:11:50	sysanon_guest54	but maybe the next update will patch
2024-06-19 02:12:00	sysanon_guest54	but good on you for bring it up so it can get fixed
2024-06-19 02:12:13	predicament	its not, the changelog shows no changes for this
2024-06-19 02:13:48	predicament	https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon/blob/master/debian/changelog
2024-06-19 02:13:55	predicament	^ sysanon
2024-06-19 02:13:59	sysanon_guest54	my daily driver is arch but all my home servers are debian just to minimize the amount of headaches from things I jack up
2024-06-19 02:14:08	predicament	my server is arch.
2024-06-19 02:14:26	predicament	but htere's the changelog.  it didn't say anything abotu what I mentioned.  i thought maybe it would.
2024-06-19 02:17:22	sysanon_guest54	maybe something?  Michael Webster ]
2024-06-19 02:17:23	sysanon_guest54	  * spices update module: Add a way to check if a spice is currently enabled.
2024-06-19 02:17:23	sysanon_guest54	  * cinnamon-launcher: Don't call Gtk.main_quit() when showing the restart dialog.
2024-06-19 02:17:24	sysanon_guest54	  * cinnamon-launcher: prevent defunct metacity process when restarting via the dialog, fix 'cinnamon --replace --replace' after crashes.
2024-06-19 02:17:24	sysanon_guest54	  * main.js: Fix activateWindow so it will respect the workspace index if provided.
2024-06-19 02:17:25	sysanon_guest54	  * main.js: Be strict about the workspace argument in activateWindow.
2024-06-19 02:17:45	sysanon_guest54	im not a programmer
2024-06-19 02:17:49	predicament	neither am I.
2024-06-19 02:17:53	predicament	I'm no developer.
2024-06-19 02:18:16	predicament	but that looks possible that maybe it would fix it.  if it does, then great.
2024-06-19 02:22:13	predicament	sorry, the owner is very very... particular about everything,
2024-06-19 02:25:15	cloudowind	i want to install arch on an arm m1 pro , i dont know how am i going to do it  but i will , asahi documentation is not very helpful , i will start with installing asahi first then will try to replace it with arch 
2024-06-19 02:26:31	cloudowind	https://archlinuxarm.org/ nothin here 
2024-06-19 02:26:32	phrik	Title: Arch Linux ARM (at archlinuxarm.org)
2024-06-19 02:26:44	sysanon_guest54	we have an m1 sitting around and I was thinking about doing the same thing.
2024-06-19 02:26:51	hackfoo	alarm != arch
2024-06-19 02:26:53	Namarrgon	#archlinuxarm
2024-06-19 02:27:04	Namarrgon	Though i don't think they support apple hw either.
2024-06-19 02:27:28	cloudowind	hmm thank Namarrgon 
2024-06-19 02:28:01	gog	apple silicon support is still a work in progress on linux in general
2024-06-19 02:28:05	gog	it's gonna be awhile
2024-06-19 02:28:34	cloudowind	true
2024-06-19 02:29:12	rcf	Asahi is what you want there. 
2024-06-19 02:29:16	rcf	They're actually doing the work. 
2024-06-19 02:33:09	cloudowind	yes but i want arch not asahi
2024-06-19 02:33:39	Namarrgon	Arch does not support anything but x86_64.
2024-06-19 02:33:45	mefistofeles	!isup asahilinux.org
2024-06-19 02:33:46	phrik	mefistofeles: Say what?
2024-06-19 02:33:49	mefistofeles	!isitup asahilinux.org
2024-06-19 02:33:49	phrik	mefistofeles: Error: That URL raised <<urlopen error [Errno -5] No address associated with hostname>>
2024-06-19 02:33:54	mefistofeles	:/
2024-06-19 02:34:10	Namarrgon	asahi used archlinuxarm as the base but they are moving to fedora now.
2024-06-19 02:34:38	Namarrgon	mefistofeles: dns, not even phrik knows how it works
2024-06-19 02:39:46	mefistofeles	Namarrgon: it was my vpn apparently, thanks!
2024-06-19 02:39:55	mefistofeles	Namarrgon: yeah, flagship distro is now the fedora mix
2024-06-19 02:56:08	predicament	https://bpa.st/3YRA
2024-06-19 02:56:09	phrik	Title: View paste 3YRA (at bpa.st)
2024-06-19 02:56:37	predicament	Someone suggested that but it doesnt even exist.
2024-06-19 02:56:54	predicament	i'll try rebooting for the hell of it though, who knows.
2024-06-19 03:02:19	predicament	No luck.  Alright.. I'm not sure what else I'm gonna do here.  I gotta somehow find something to fix this.
2024-06-19 03:05:26	sysanon_guest54	you still having the restart/logout issue?
2024-06-19 03:05:55	sysanon_guest54	I though rolling back fixed it for the time being
2024-06-19 03:07:51	predicament	i just said that sysanon_guest54.
2024-06-19 03:08:00	predicament	im talking about something else.
2024-06-19 03:10:00	predicament	It's been me in here trying to fix it for the longest time, after upgrading systemd, for some reason, it waits a full 90 seconds to try and find some sort of device.. "Start job running for /dev/tpmr0 (30s / 1m 30s)"
2024-06-19 03:11:07	sysanon_guest54	Does your mobo even have a TPM on it?
2024-06-19 03:11:17	predicament	Yeah and it's the first time it's been saying it
2024-06-19 03:11:18	predicament	ever
2024-06-19 03:11:19	sysanon_guest54	is secure boot even enabled
2024-06-19 03:11:21	predicament	yes.
2024-06-19 03:11:56	predicament	I need to roll back systemd.  it's not a kernel thing, i've tried them all.
2024-06-19 03:12:16	predicament	too many dependencies, not sure how i'd do that.. not with downgrade.
2024-06-19 03:12:35	predicament	I feel so stupid.
2024-06-19 03:14:56	sysanon_guest54	dont worry man even of the people who built these systems not a single one knows everything about them
2024-06-19 03:15:22	predicament	trust me, they think i'm a fucking idiot.
2024-06-19 03:15:26	predicament	all of these guys.
2024-06-19 03:15:57	predicament	And I am conceding that I am.
2024-06-19 03:16:11	sysanon_guest54	dont worry they were fucking this shit up too when they were new
2024-06-19 03:16:21	predicament	I'm not new
2024-06-19 03:16:22	sysanon_guest54	if they tell you other wise they are lying
2024-06-19 03:16:30	predicament	I started on 0.7
2024-06-19 03:16:46	predicament	i mean that's a long time, just saying
2024-06-19 03:16:50	predicament	2005
2024-06-19 03:17:15	predicament	I just... don't think I'll be able to downgrade or roll back systemd because I'm a moron.
2024-06-19 03:17:32	predicament	or maybe there's something I'm just suddenly missing.
2024-06-19 03:18:53	sysanon_guest54	a lot of its just practice
2024-06-19 03:18:58	cloudowind	why you treating yourself bad ,be nice to yourself no one needs to be einstein  . https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/SW%3AAlternative-Distros these people apperently were able to boot and use other distros , why can i not , worth spending some time
2024-06-19 03:19:00	sysanon_guest54	taking one step at a time
2024-06-19 03:20:57	sysanon_guest54	predicament https://systemd-by-example.com/
2024-06-19 03:20:58	phrik	Title: systemd by example - the systemd playground (at systemd-by-example.com)
2024-06-19 03:21:07	predicament	ugh
2024-06-19 03:21:40	sysanon_guest54	its a great tool
2024-06-19 03:24:18	sysanon_guest54	its 2124 eastern time where im at
2024-06-19 03:25:05	sysanon_guest54	around this time maybe early on Friday ill be here and I can help you go through systemd-by-example
2024-06-19 03:26:25	predicament	okay so i noticed something that fixed it.
2024-06-19 03:26:35	sysanon_guest54	whats up
2024-06-19 03:26:39	predicament	no more waiting on boot.
2024-06-19 03:27:14	predicament	okay i noticed systemd, during install, said look in /usr/share/doc/systemd/NEWS for unexpected behavior.   So I opened that and left it open after searching for tpm2
2024-06-19 03:28:10	predicament	and what i found.. is it says: A new unit tpm2.target has been added to provide a synchronization point for units which expect the TPM hardware to be available. A new generator "systemd-tpm2-generator" has been added that will insert this target whenever it detects that the firmware has initialized a TPM, but Linux hasn't loaded a driver for it
2024-06-19 03:28:10	predicament	yet.
2024-06-19 03:28:24	predicament	so what I did was systemctl mask tpm2.target
2024-06-19 03:28:39	predicament	boom, boots up.
2024-06-19 03:29:44	sysanon_guest54	I never would have thought to check that
2024-06-19 03:29:53	predicament	i just decided to keep it in mind
2024-06-19 03:30:01	predicament	that's all, it's documentation
2024-06-19 03:30:02	sos666	had you searched the error at all? jw
2024-06-19 03:30:08	predicament	absolutely
2024-06-19 03:30:12	predicament	... the entire day
2024-06-19 03:30:25	predicament	I've been here the whole time, scroll if you'd like
2024-06-19 03:30:43	predicament	i had it open from earlier and i came back to it just for the hell of it
2024-06-19 03:32:00	sysanon_guest54	so that file has 17k lines in it.
2024-06-19 03:32:05	sysanon_guest54	how did you find that
2024-06-19 03:32:16	sysanon_guest54	just grep tpm
2024-06-19 03:32:18	sysanon_guest54	??
2024-06-19 03:33:54	predicament	02:31:41 PM
2024-06-19 03:33:54	predicament	<espresso> 
2024-06-19 03:33:54	predicament	predicament: at least one forum post mentions tpmrm0 taking a long time. no replies, but 'solved' own issue with 'systemctl mask tpm2'. Whether that works or wrecks something else, I do not know..
2024-06-19 03:34:02	predicament	that's seven hours ago.,
2024-06-19 03:34:09	predicament	have i searched lol
2024-06-19 03:34:41	predicament	Sorry abotu the paste, btw, I meant to put it as one line but pressed enter too quickly.
2024-06-19 03:35:51	predicament	sysanon_guest54, to answer your question, which I technically already did if you'd read it :P  answer is I just did a where is and typed in tpm
2024-06-19 03:35:53	glitsj16	sysanon_guest54: it's a large file indeed, but if you make a habit out of keeping up with systemd changes you can limit that by version
2024-06-19 03:35:54	predicament	and there it was
2024-06-19 03:36:20	predicament	its like the first thing you see actually when searching tpm
2024-06-19 03:36:41	predicament	and then I remembered what espresso said.
2024-06-19 03:37:10	predicament	He wasn't sure.  He thought it might mess it up and it might later on, I don't know
2024-06-19 03:37:24	predicament	that's why I was trying everything else.
2024-06-19 03:38:29	sysanon_guest54	very well
2024-06-19 03:38:36	predicament	the first time i thoguth it was .service and then i remembered i had searched "mask" so i knew to type mask
2024-06-19 03:38:38	sysanon_guest54	im glad its working smoothly for you now
2024-06-19 03:38:51	predicament	for now, and its for someone else
2024-06-19 03:39:01	predicament	and its just no more 90s looking for crap
2024-06-19 03:39:25	predicament	unexpected behavior is what i saw when installing in the terminal
2024-06-19 03:39:44	predicament	and to read the changes basically
2024-06-19 03:39:52	predicament	it was my only shot.
2024-06-19 04:29:41	gugah	hi all, I had a systemd.unified_cgroup_hierarchy=false which caused an error on boot with the last systemd update. I think I had that param because of docker+gpu, is it safe to get rid of that kernel param now?
2024-06-19 04:36:21	glitsj16	gugah: /usr/share/doc/systemd/NEWS (lines 10-16) has more details on that
2024-06-19 04:38:07	gugah	glitsj16: thanks. I'm trying to find the reason I set it up that way. I think it was related to docker somehow
2024-06-19 04:40:29	glitsj16	gugah: welcome; hope you find that, cgroup v1 is bound to go sooner rather than later i suppose
2024-06-19 04:43:08	gugah	Docker supports cgroup v2 since Docker 20.10
2024-06-19 04:43:19	gugah	found the reason
2024-06-19 04:43:51	gugah	I can safely remove systemd.unified_cgroup_hierarchy=false then
2024-06-19 04:44:19	gugah	turns out I put it a while ago and never removed it
2024-06-19 04:47:18	glitsj16	yeah that happens, not easy to keep such things documented when changes are speeding up
2024-06-19 04:51:47	gugah	I keep my bootloader entries with kernel params in a git repo. but the initial commit already had that cgroups param. Now I'm keeping track of my system changes :)
2024-06-19 04:58:44	glitsj16	I really should consider that instead of keeping flat text file notes
2024-06-19 05:23:29	kevr	i recently upgraded a not-upgraded-in-a-year arch machine without any issues, nice packaging folks
2024-06-19 05:26:01	rt	/stats p
2024-06-19 07:15:24	novns	one thing that hasn't survived switching to wayland is stellarium
2024-06-19 07:17:07	novns	it just segfaults whether you build it from aur, get the -bin version or use flatpak
2024-06-19 07:25:56	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL alias sudo='run0 '
2024-06-19 07:27:24	novns	Edu4rdSHL, you cannot, it doesn't support sudo's options
2024-06-19 07:28:19	grawity	what if you just don't use sudo's options
2024-06-19 07:29:20	novns	this would be meaningless
2024-06-19 07:30:22	Edu4rdSHL	novns, who uses sudo options
2024-06-19 07:30:24	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2024-06-19 07:30:42	novns	Edu4rdSHL, I do sometimes
2024-06-19 07:31:11	novns	and I use that sudoers file to allow some commands without asking for any password
2024-06-19 07:31:25	Edu4rdSHL	I was joking. The only thing that I will miss is `-E/--preserve-env` as that's the only thing I use from sudo, very rarely, tho
2024-06-19 07:31:42	Edu4rdSHL	novns, a polkit rule will allow you to do the same
2024-06-19 07:34:13	novns	I wonder why they chose this run0 name, but I'm lazy to check
2024-06-19 07:35:09	grawity	still not as bad as ukify
2024-06-19 07:37:00	novns	0 in the name looks like they allow to run things in the kernel mode
2024-06-19 07:37:13	novns	but this would be bad
2024-06-19 07:37:57	grawity	only a specific kind of nerd associates 0 with Intel ring 0 and not with Unix uid 0
2024-06-19 07:38:48	cloudowind	:)
2024-06-19 07:39:29	Edu4rdSHL	Eeh
2024-06-19 09:09:27	chiselfuse	kevr: that dnsmasq worked nicely thanks
2024-06-19 09:52:13	grawity	Edu4rdSHL: so run0 has a feature that tints the background with a certain color, right
2024-06-19 09:52:21	grawity	Edu4rdSHL: what happens if you do `run0 --background=5`?
2024-06-19 09:53:02	grawity	if you guessed "it uses color # 5", no
2024-06-19 09:54:12	Edu4rdSHL	grawity, that's correct
2024-06-19 09:54:24	Edu4rdSHL	I like the default one (red) 
2024-06-19 09:57:36	grawity	https://nullroute.lt/tmp/2024/2024-06-19.10-54-41.webm
2024-06-19 10:00:36	BrainDamage	ah, the good old <blink>, now available for terminalls
2024-06-19 10:01:33	grawity	I should've said https://nullroute.lt/tmp/2024/2024-06-19.10-54-41.webm for the irssi users
2024-06-19 10:02:54	Edu4rdSHL	grawity, I have the same here, interesting. It seems to be using something different to the 256 colors table, at least here. i.e. --background 40 doesn't matches the light green
2024-06-19 10:03:38	grawity	it uses raw ANSI SGR codes
2024-06-19 10:03:52	grawity	where you need to output 48:2:40 to access color 40 for example
2024-06-19 10:04:27	grawity	(or 48;2;40 for some terminals)
2024-06-19 10:05:24	Edu4rdSHL	Neither seems to work here (using gnome terminal)
2024-06-19 10:05:48	Dworin	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_escape_code#SGR_(Select_Graphic_Rendition)_parameters is what man run0 points to, yes
2024-06-19 10:05:48	phrik	Title: ANSI escape code - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2024-06-19 10:06:18	grawity	40-47 are your default 8 colors, 100-107 are bright versions, 48 is the extended escape for 256-color and truecolor modes
2024-06-19 10:06:57	grawity	...and values below 30 are non-color stuff, which leads to this.
2024-06-19 10:07:17	Edu4rdSHL	Dworin, thanks!
2024-06-19 10:07:30	Dworin	welcome
2024-06-19 10:20:59	post-factum	blinking should have been set by default
2024-06-19 10:22:16	grawity	Edu4rdSHL: I mixed up the 256-color format with truecolor
2024-06-19 10:22:32	grawity	48:5:40 is the one for 256color
2024-06-19 10:22:53	grawity	48:2::r:g:b would be truecolor
2024-06-19 10:23:03	grawity	https://nullroute.lt/tmp/2024/Screenshot%20from%202024-06-19%2011-12-33.png
2024-06-19 10:34:00	cloudowind	coold desktop and walpaper grawity , what de is that?idont see any icons or menus, os that Enlightenment or somethin lighter
2024-06-19 10:34:44	grawity	it's stock gnome
2024-06-19 10:35:01	Earnestly	Since systemd 256 I'm no longer seeing a login session (via loginctl), so no XDG_RUNTIME_DIR set and no ACLs seemingly applied
2024-06-19 10:35:44	Earnestly	Has something changed perhaps with pam? (Login via /bin/login)
2024-06-19 10:36:29	Earnestly	The only other aspect might be that I mask user@1000.service but I don't see why that should matter
2024-06-19 10:43:16	Earnestly	Could it be related to not using homed?
2024-06-19 10:47:57	raster	cloudowind: enlightenment would give you icons and menus and srtuff ootb. :)
2024-06-19 10:48:21	Earnestly	Fwiw it was masking user@1000.service. It seems like systemd now must run a systemd --user session to have a login session
2024-06-19 10:48:46	Earnestly	Got a bunch of new xdg-document-portal procs now too
2024-06-19 10:49:25	Earnestly	And it created a load of xdg directories in home lol, oh this will be fun
2024-06-19 10:51:33	cloudowind	how cool watching a fellow answering his own questions and fixing his own problem :) and raster thanks for the compliment 
2024-06-19 10:53:22	raster	cloudowind: :) :) :)
2024-06-19 10:58:14	snoriman	hey! a bit off topic, but maybe someone around has experience with this. I'm working on a couple of applications (mobile, web) and want to improve the way we do logging. Someone adviced me to simply use journald and collect all logs at a central location and use Loki/Grafana. I'm curious if someone has used this approach and maybe knows a better solution or if there are things I should consider
2024-06-19 10:58:16	snoriman	at this point?
2024-06-19 10:58:49	jelle	loki works if you have enough ram
2024-06-19 10:59:30	snoriman	ah, I assumed that Loki stored logs on disk; or do you mean it just needs a lot of RAM to work?
2024-06-19 11:32:42	grawity	https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/GrafanaLokiSimpleNotRecommended gives me the impression that it's not really a good solution
2024-06-19 11:32:43	phrik	Title: Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/GrafanaLokiSimpleNotRecommended (at utcc.utoronto.ca)
2024-06-19 11:37:47	snoriman	thanks grawity, curious to see what other solutions are used then
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2024-06-19 17:54:20	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-06-19 13:45:49	Psil0	heyhey
2024-06-19 13:47:05	mpan	Hello. How did you break your Arch? ;)
2024-06-19 13:58:31	Namarrgon	What do you want to break today?
2024-06-19 13:59:57	mpan	For the completness: what are you breaking right now?
2024-06-19 14:25:35	predicament	"What do you want to break today?"
2024-06-19 14:27:10	predicament	Who was that for Namarrgon?
2024-06-19 14:27:41	predicament	just curious lol.  I just tried some kernel params while researching this bug that ryzen 5 2500u processors have
2024-06-19 14:28:30	predicament	im glad systemctl has unmask
2024-06-19 14:28:50	predicament	so I don't have to redo the whole thing
2024-06-19 14:29:59	predicament	Hopefully these params will work.  idle=nomwait acpi_backlight=vendor -- did those two.
2024-06-19 14:31:23	predicament	the nomwait has still frozen after trying before, but not with acpi_backlight=vendor.  I was looking at the kernel workarounds that might be possible: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206487
2024-06-19 14:32:46	jelle	acpi_backlight=vendor is likely not what you ever want
2024-06-19 14:32:56	jelle	what is the real problem you have
2024-06-19 14:34:19	predicament	well i'm booted in it.  and the problem with this computer is it literally has a bug that makes it freeze randomly no matter what I'm doing.  I'm just trying different ones, i didn't think acpi_backlight=vendor would hurt it, seemed to boot fine but I'll remove it since you say that, but i know that the idle=nomwait doesn't work.  already tried
2024-06-19 14:34:19	predicament	that and it's frozen before.
2024-06-19 14:34:50	predicament	the processor, the Ryzen 5 2500U.  that's the real problem.  I pointed to bugzilla just now.
2024-06-19 14:36:09	predicament	I've done searches for years now about this.
2024-06-19 14:36:30	predicament	went through gentoo documentation a lot as well, not just arch's
2024-06-19 14:37:06	predicament	but my eyes can get tired and I have missed stuff before.  However I fixed the boot problem that had /dev/tpmrm0 start job.
2024-06-19 14:38:12	predicament	I used /usr/share/doc/systemd/NEWS and did a search for tpm and there it was, tpm2.target.
2024-06-19 14:39:45	predicament	systemctl mask tpm2.target solved it obviously.
2024-06-19 14:40:38	astralc	so the tpm cause freeze?
2024-06-19 14:40:48	predicament	it was just a delay on bootup
2024-06-19 14:41:03	predicament	and no, had nothing to do with the kernel bug.  it's still a bug today.
2024-06-19 14:41:48	predicament	tpm wasnt causing any freezing, it just didn't have the Linux Drivers for tpm2.target that it added.  so i masked it.
2024-06-19 14:42:00	predicament	at least NEWS said that.
2024-06-19 14:42:38	predicament	let me re-read, i don't want any bad information said
2024-06-19 14:43:41	predicament	* A new unit tpm2.target has been added to provide a synchronization point for units which expect the TPM hardware to be available. A new generator "systemd-tpm2-generator" has been added that will insert this target whenever it detects that the firmware has initialized a TPM, but Linux hasn't loaded a driver for it yet.
2024-06-19 14:44:33	predicament	oh it says it hasn't loaded a driver at that point, so i'm sure the driver is in the kernel
2024-06-19 14:45:25	predicament	either way, masking tpm2.target allowed it just boot right up with no 1 minute 30 second delay, astralc
2024-06-19 14:46:14	astralc	I wonder what waited to tpm2.target in your case
2024-06-19 14:46:19	predicament	I do too
2024-06-19 14:46:25	predicament	It never had done that before.
2024-06-19 14:47:06	predicament	it's an owner's laptop that is very OCD about things, so to speak.  I have issues, but this guy has major issues with it
2024-06-19 14:48:10	predicament	sometimes it takes it months to freeze though.  sometimes it happens twice within minutes.  it doesn't seem to matter what it's doing.. it's almost nondiscriminatory 
2024-06-19 14:51:09	jelle	and you ruled out that its a hardware issue?
2024-06-19 14:57:17	predicament	jelle: yes.  worls great on windows as well, sadly
2024-06-19 14:58:53	docdrow	hey #archlinux'ers... I'm having a hard time getting curl to build.. I need to enable it's experimental websockets which seems to be missing from arch's default build
2024-06-19 14:59:45	docdrow	https://lame.org/images/curlbuilderrors.png
2024-06-19 14:59:51	docdrow	Would appreciate a point in the right direction?
2024-06-19 15:00:24	predicament	can you put that in a log please?
2024-06-19 15:00:28	predicament	!paste
2024-06-19 15:00:29	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-06-19 15:00:53	predicament	We need to view something other than a picture for a build error.
2024-06-19 15:01:00	docdrow	yup
2024-06-19 15:01:15	docdrow	I'll log the entire build, but will take a bit on my old xeon.. coming up
2024-06-19 15:01:49	predicament	alright.  just saying because if you don't then nobody can help you.
2024-06-19 15:01:56	jelle	predicament: this is a lie :-)
2024-06-19 15:02:07	predicament	is it? lol
2024-06-19 15:02:19	predicament	you usually punch me in the face if i show a picture :P
2024-06-19 15:02:37	jelle	docdrow: the unit tests are failing, either something is missing or its broken on arch. you can choose to ignore it or run check() without your changes and then compare the failures
2024-06-19 15:03:00	jelle	predicament: no, your problem is either engaging in things you do not understand or holding long monologues going nowhere
2024-06-19 15:03:10	predicament	right.
2024-06-19 15:03:39	demonicmaniac1	text is preferred by many who just won't interact with a picture or because they want the full output not cut off by a picture - won't != can't
2024-06-19 15:03:56	predicament	yeah..
2024-06-19 15:04:03	predicament	fair enough
2024-06-19 15:04:54	predicament	I was just trying to help his possibility of being helped by others,  not just by you, jelle, despite *my* shortcomings lol
2024-06-19 15:05:15	Ennui	*grabs popcorn*
2024-06-19 15:06:35	predicament	eh im not here to argue so i'll stick to what i know, the kernel bug.  and i'll be researching that more.
2024-06-19 15:09:02	docdrow	jelle: yea  normally I just --skipstuff but since this is curl it has the potential to break all sorts of stuff that depends on it ... 
2024-06-19 15:09:19	docdrow	I figured I'd try to get to compile with just "makepkg" before I tinker
2024-06-19 15:09:44	docdrow	I think it was failing on libcurl-gnutls which I've now commented out, I dont need that version
2024-06-19 15:09:49	⚡ 	docdrow waits.
2024-06-19 15:10:19	docdrow	maybe next year second hand market for Genoa's will be affordable for home labs ;)
2024-06-19 15:14:34	docdrow	hmm.. ok no love still. https://lame.org/curl-build-log.txt
2024-06-19 15:16:03	gromit	docdrow: which changes to the PKGBUILD did you make? 
2024-06-19 15:16:46	docdrow	none yet
2024-06-19 15:17:03	docdrow	except I removed libcurl-compat and libcurl-gnutls from the list of packages to be built at the top
2024-06-19 15:17:23	docdrow	if I get this to build, I intend to add --enable-websockets to the configure section
2024-06-19 15:17:26	gromit	docdrow: ah so it fails unmodified? 🤔
2024-06-19 15:17:30	docdrow	correct
2024-06-19 15:17:39	docdrow	I noticed this
2024-06-19 15:17:40	jelle	docdrow: I'd recommend extra-x86_64-build or pkgctl build 
2024-06-19 15:17:45	gromit	docdrow: did you try building in a clean chroot 
2024-06-19 15:17:47	docdrow	configure: httpd/apache2 not in PATH, http tests disabled
2024-06-19 15:17:50	gromit	ah see jelle's comment
2024-06-19 15:17:56	docdrow	I installed apache, giving it another go
2024-06-19 15:18:14	docdrow	jelle: thanks I'll try that next
2024-06-19 15:20:00	low-key	i'm trying to create a calculator script that'll accept input from tofi and write it to a file that R can then read 
2024-06-19 15:20:23	low-key	arch wiki on dmenu pointed me to using /dev/null to use dmenu and family to accept input
2024-06-19 15:20:47	low-key	and that part works but then when running tofi this way, the input just remains and pressing enter doesn't do anything
2024-06-19 15:20:58	low-key	i'm using tofi < /dev/null > /tmp/question to store my question
2024-06-19 15:21:09	low-key	what am i missing?
2024-06-19 15:37:10	Ingar	using /dev/null as input is weird
2024-06-19 16:21:41	gromit	docdrow: do you have an example for me how I can use the websocket thingy? 
2024-06-19 16:40:22	Namarrgon	gromit: Check the examples directory of the curl repo.
2024-06-19 16:41:29	Foxboron	g33
2024-06-19 16:41:30	Foxboron	wops
2024-06-19 16:44:30	gromit	Namarrgon: yeah but that only contains libcurl stuff right? https://github.com/curl/curl/blob/master/docs/examples/websocket.c
2024-06-19 16:45:29	Namarrgon	Ah, i thought you were just looking for a test whether libcurl was built with websocket support.
2024-06-19 16:48:44	gromit	Namarrgon: no that can simply be done with curl --version | grep ws
2024-06-19 16:48:46	solsTiCe	hi. When I run mkinitcpio (while upgrading kernel with pacman), I got an error: "ERROR: module not found: 'crypto_lzo'" but there seem to be no crpyto_lzo available. What command looks for that?
2024-06-19 16:49:43	gdamjan	maybe you have some custom hook, check `grep crypto_lzo /usr/lib/initcpio/ -r`
2024-06-19 16:50:09	solsTiCe	ys. aldeary run that. found nothing
2024-06-19 16:50:37	Foxboron	g64
2024-06-19 16:50:40	gromit	gdamjan: which kernel are you running? 
2024-06-19 16:50:56	gromit	Foxboron: now you're a serial offender 🤣
2024-06-19 16:51:05	solsTiCe	linux-lts61
2024-06-19 16:51:25	Foxboron	gromit: ctrlkey is fucked and I need to swap it :p
2024-06-19 16:51:53	gromit	solsTiCe: seems like these modules are dependencies of the systemd and resume hooks 
2024-06-19 16:51:55	gromit	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/search?search=crypto_lzo&nav_source=navbar&project_id=20028&group_id=11352&search_code=true&repository_ref=master
2024-06-19 16:51:56	phrik	Title: crypto_lzo · Search · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-06-19 16:52:24	gromit	solsTiCe: also why are you running the old lts branch? 
2024-06-19 16:53:05	gdamjan	`modinfo crypto-lzo` says builtin, so it's fine
2024-06-19 16:53:10	Namarrgon	zgrep CRYPTO_LZO /proc/config.gz
2024-06-19 17:13:37	solsTiCe	I use that old kernel because recent ones fails to resume from suspend, pseudo randomly. on my desktop only
2024-06-19 17:41:44	ArgyroNet	Hello everybody
2024-06-19 17:42:43	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux - How can we assist you?
2024-06-19 17:43:15	ArgyroNet	I'm having a small issue right now: my computer connects to my phone wifi, but not to the local wifi (to which my smartphone has no problem connecting), where should I start looking ?...
2024-06-19 17:44:50	ArgyroNet	Network manager. Should I share the output of journalctl -b --grep=network ?
2024-06-19 17:49:04	shoenot	MacGyver: i added media controls https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OQYNyolL/image.png
2024-06-19 17:49:20	shoenot	realized i dont really ever use more than 4 workspaces at once 
2024-06-19 17:50:27	shoenot	(and if i do, i can always switch to them by scrolling or using the buttons on my bar)
2024-06-19 17:52:39	ArgyroNet	NetSysFire, is there a recommended way to look for a specific keyword/string in journalctl ?
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2024-06-19 17:54:52	Namarrgon	Which frontend do you use for NM?
2024-06-19 17:55:26	Namarrgon	And have you configured any other network tool in addition to NM?
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2024-06-19 18:05:18	causasui	`gitk` gives '/usr/bin/gitk: line 3: exec: wish: not found' on my system. anyone else? 'git' package owns this file: is a dependency missing?
2024-06-19 18:05:39	causasui	there's a weird comment in the script that says "tcl ignores the next line" but the shebang says bin/sh
2024-06-19 18:05:45	MrElendig	install wish?
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2024-06-19 18:06:41	Scimmia	causasui: see the optional deps
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2024-06-19 18:07:10	causasui	oh 'tk' is the optional dep that provides this
2024-06-19 18:07:21	causasui	gotcha, ty
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2024-06-19 18:13:54	ArgyroNet	I understand NetSysFire, it makes sense. Okay I've been looking a bit around journlactl -f, there is a lot going on, I'll sort things a bit. I also looked at today boot logs
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2024-06-19 18:23:37	ArgyroNet	It seems to go on a loop: https://pastebin.alolise.org/?7d3d1e9d0a4cb5a4#BwwV4AaUSqatXh7brUWyTpyPxJYxtmCejNupd78h3T7F
2024-06-19 18:23:43	phrik	Title: PrivateBin Alolise (at pastebin.alolise.org)
2024-06-19 18:23:59	ArgyroNet	And basically, on the journalctl -f logs, the reason is "authentication with 14:59:c0:9f:5c:ec timed out"
2024-06-19 18:24:41	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-06-19 18:26:03	Ennui	NetSysFire: might be a bit offtopic, but those paste sites re-use links after a certain period of time. Which isn't ideal.. I'm not sure you'd want to send a harmless paste one day, and a year from now have that link redirect to someone else's paste
2024-06-19 18:26:14	Ennui	seems risky
2024-06-19 18:26:57	Ennui	github, or codeberg gists, are probably the better option as links remain unique
2024-06-19 18:27:59	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XT_2.txt
2024-06-19 18:28:18	solsTiCe	oh my. AUR is slow or ...
2024-06-19 18:29:01	ArgyroNet	Thank you EMIYA !
2024-06-19 18:29:50	ArgyroNet	So here we go: https://0x0.st/XT_2.txt 
2024-06-19 18:31:58	ArgyroNet	with --dmesg. I'll share the other logs too then
2024-06-19 18:37:49	ArgyroNet	Here is the journalctl -f output: https://0x0.st/XT_W.txt
2024-06-19 18:38:06	ArgyroNet	please excuse my delay, it's the end of the day here and my brain is mellow
2024-06-19 18:39:25	ArgyroNet	Namarrgon, not for what I recall, and I usually just go through the network manager applet
2024-06-19 18:45:59	ArgyroNet	NetSysFire, after the last update I could do, a couple week ago
2024-06-19 18:46:08	ArgyroNet	2 weeks ago
2024-06-19 18:50:26	ArgyroNet	NetSysFire, noted. Also, updating the whole system is my last resort because my smartphone connection is not the best ever. That being said I might have found another error
2024-06-19 18:51:03	ArgyroNet	No ethernet actually
2024-06-19 18:51:58	ArgyroNet	There is always a way
2024-06-19 18:52:16	ArgyroNet	With systemctl list-units | grep -iE '(net|dhcp|wpa|conn|wicd)', I saw that "systemd-networkd-wait-online.service" failed to start, and "Wait for Network to be Configured", I'm looking a bit around that
2024-06-19 18:56:16	ArgyroNet	I do not own the router (nothing illegal, it's just my landlord who does !)
2024-06-19 19:01:02	ArgyroNet	:D I think we can manage that
2024-06-19 19:10:17	ackthet	i'm trying to debug high power usage on pipewire on my Framework 13 AMD. its using 1.77W, with no audio playback at all.
2024-06-19 19:11:38	chikuwasuka	ackthet: do you know for sure that it's pipewire, or are you just going by powertop's estimates? 'cause those are not very accurate
2024-06-19 19:12:38	ackthet	chikuwasuka: i'm sure its related to pipewire, the battery draw rate drops significantly if i stop pipewire. but yes, powertop.
2024-06-19 19:14:14	chikuwasuka	ackthet: try running pw-top?
2024-06-19 19:16:23	ackthet	chikuwasuka: i just rebooted, didn't even start firefox or anything, just terminal, sway, and waybar
2024-06-19 19:16:29	ackthet	and its at 1.3W
2024-06-19 19:16:37	ackthet	i wonder if waybar is doing it somehow...
2024-06-19 19:17:44	ackthet	i'll be damned
2024-06-19 19:18:42	ackthet	waybar you sumbitch
2024-06-19 19:19:52	ackthet	now the only thing using significant power is the nic, display, and tick_nohz_handler (which I assume I can't do anything about)
2024-06-19 19:20:00	rcf	ackthet: waybar is atrocious at times. 
2024-06-19 19:20:22	ackthet	it was more than just pipewire, the power usage dropped like 3W
2024-06-19 19:20:29	ackthet	when i killed waybar
2024-06-19 19:20:47	ackthet	um, well...
2024-06-19 19:20:55	ackthet	is it worth trying to save?
2024-06-19 19:22:08	gog	what's the underlying cause of the poewr draw? gpu or cpu pegging?
2024-06-19 19:22:51	gog	excessive redraws maybe
2024-06-19 19:23:31	ackthet	well, im guessing this was somehow caused by polling the volume?
2024-06-19 19:23:37	ackthet	or... something
2024-06-19 19:23:41	gog	ahaaa
2024-06-19 19:23:48	ackthet	that seems insane to me 
2024-06-19 19:24:04	JetpackJackson	am i allowed to make a software suggestion or is that against the rules
2024-06-19 19:24:10	ackthet	i'll play around. for now switching back to i3status got me sane power usage
2024-06-19 19:25:13	JetpackJackson	yambar is another good option imo
2024-06-19 19:25:31	ackthet	i'll take a look, ty
2024-06-19 19:25:37	JetpackJackson	np
2024-06-19 19:27:25	michelesr[m]	I remember some time I ago I was having lot of xruns, turned out it was my custom bash script for the sway bar (the built-in one) that was calling brightnessctl and on my laptop it was causing a CPU interrupt that would just destroy performance and cause lots of xruns... 
2024-06-19 19:29:13	rcf	ackthet: when this happens to me, it locks up and can't even change the volume. That's my signal to reboot. 
2024-06-19 19:29:26	rcf	Maxes out one of my cores at the same time. 
2024-06-19 19:29:26	espresso	bad shader compilations can stress the GPU, but they would seem rare in widget toollkits
2024-06-19 19:29:31	ackthet	it happened on a fresh boot up tho
2024-06-19 19:29:35	espresso	*shader executions
2024-06-19 19:29:41	rcf	Oh, there's no time before it messes up. 
2024-06-19 19:29:49	rcf	It's often random. 
2024-06-19 19:29:59	rcf	But when performance starts dragging, I check waybar first. 
2024-06-19 19:30:13	ackthet	now when i start ff, pw-top shows usage even though no audio is playing... time to find which tab it is lol
2024-06-19 19:32:41	gog	depends on the rendering pipeline afaik
2024-06-19 19:32:51	gog	or a threshold for frequency scaling
2024-06-19 19:33:09	ackthet	i haven't touched any settings
2024-06-19 19:33:42	gog	not having anythign to do with user configuration, but in a driver or a library
2024-06-19 19:33:50	ArgyroNet	NetSysFire, I think I solved it :) I'm happy
2024-06-19 19:33:55	gog	it could be many things, there's a lot of code between
2024-06-19 19:34:57	ArgyroNet	I guess that Namarrgon might have had a good idea. After checking the active network managers, I ran systemctl disable systemd-networkd-wait-online.service and systemctl disable --now systemd-networkd.socket
2024-06-19 19:35:17	ArgyroNet	which did nothing immediately, then restarted my computer, and here I am, connected to the wifi
2024-06-19 19:35:26	ArgyroNet	thanks a lot all of you
2024-06-19 19:38:04	ackthet	its discord :)
2024-06-19 19:38:11	espresso	ArgyroNet: I guess you might as well also disable systemd-networkd.service ? That is how I enable/disable that manager
2024-06-19 19:38:34	ackthet	(the tab generating audio usage)
2024-06-19 19:38:49	ackthet	this is veering off topic though, ty guys
2024-06-19 19:39:33	ackthet	wild that closing 1 tab buys me two hours of battery back
2024-06-19 19:40:27	ArgyroNet	Oh yeah espresso my bad, that's actually the first command I ran, but since the other services were still running, I also did them all.
2024-06-19 19:40:34	espresso	ackthet: not far offtopic, performance under linux :)
2024-06-19 19:40:35	ArgyroNet	*disabled
2024-06-19 19:40:47	espresso	ArgyroNet: glad to hear it's in gear!
2024-06-19 19:43:11	FrozenInferno	I have a btrfs setup using the suggested snapper layout and I need to restore my @home from an older snapshot. I tried to follow the wiki's advice about replacing root with a previous snapshot, replacing the "@" with "@home", but all it did was restore the old snapshot into a subfolder at "@home/snapshot". Anyone have any advice?
2024-06-19 19:45:09	ackthet	now if only I could get rid of tick_nohz_handler
2024-06-19 19:46:14	gehidore	FrozenInferno: mv @home @home-broken; mv @home-snapshot @home
2024-06-19 19:46:43	gehidore	Don't replace @ with something as that's likely your root "/"
2024-06-19 19:48:11	FrozenInferno	Sorry, I wasn't clear, I meant text replace, as in, the examples are using "@", so I instead used "@home" on my system.
2024-06-19 19:48:21	FrozenInferno	Let me try your suggestion.
2024-06-19 19:49:45	gehidore	Generally FrozenInferno @ is used for root and @home for home and the naming scheme continues
2024-06-19 19:50:01	gehidore	I haven't looked into snapper so maybe they went off script but I seriously doubt it
2024-06-19 19:50:54	FrozenInferno	Right, for sure, what I was saying was that the examples on the wiki only mention "@". There are no examples of replacing "@home". So I used the examples from the wiki, except I typed in "@home" anywhere the example said "@".
2024-06-19 19:51:32	gehidore	The important part of what I'm trying to express is that you do not want to delete the current home subvolume yet, and you want to be sure you're not replacing root with a home snapshot
2024-06-19 19:51:49	FrozenInferno	Understood.
2024-06-19 19:52:28	FrozenInferno	So moving "@home" worked, I now have a new "@home" that is from the snapshot I wanted.
2024-06-19 19:52:59	FrozenInferno	Now my question is, my snapshots are now located in "@home-broken/.snapshots". Is there a way to move them back to "@home"?
2024-06-19 19:53:40	gehidore	They shouldn't be nested in the original sub, that's silly to do
2024-06-19 19:54:13	gehidore	What does `btrfs sub list /path/to/fs` show?
2024-06-19 19:54:31	gehidore	Replacing path to fs obviously to the mounted fs
2024-06-19 19:54:45	gehidore	Best to throw it in a paste 
2024-06-19 19:54:51	gehidore	!paste
2024-06-19 19:54:52	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-06-19 19:55:09	FrozenInferno	!0x0
2024-06-19 19:55:09	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-06-19 19:57:36	FrozenInferno	https://0x0.st/XTLu.txt
2024-06-19 19:58:22	gehidore	Looks like you'll have to mv em
2024-06-19 19:58:31	gehidore	Did you configure it nested like that?
2024-06-19 19:58:41	gehidore	Or is this a default of snapper?
2024-06-19 19:59:42	FrozenInferno	I just ran `snapper -c home create-config /home` and then configured the snapshot intervals. I didn't really think about where the snapshots actually lived.
2024-06-19 20:01:15	gehidore	Weird that they'd default to within the sub they're snapping 
2024-06-19 20:02:28	⚡ 	rcf develops ouroboros backup to make this the norm.
2024-06-19 20:02:43	FrozenInferno	They do the same with root, the arch wiki has extra steps for setting the snapshot directory up correctly. I probably should have followed that advice for "@home", but I didn't think about it.
2024-06-19 20:03:12	FrozenInferno	There's a big NOTE section in the wiki about it and everything, lol.
2024-06-19 20:03:31	FrozenInferno	But I agree it's weird.
2024-06-19 20:03:34	gehidore	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/snapper#Restore_snapshot
2024-06-19 20:03:35	phrik	Title: Snapper - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-19 20:03:42	gehidore	There's a specific section about home in there
2024-06-19 20:04:09	FrozenInferno	I'm blind.
2024-06-19 20:04:12	FrozenInferno	Apparently.
2024-06-19 20:05:09	gehidore	Looks like they expect you to simply move it with mv
2024-06-19 20:05:48	gehidore	Still weird to me to nest them but I've had too many fuckups from things traversing all of home including dot files
2024-06-19 20:06:30	gehidore	Admittedly none in the past 20 years but I'm still scarred from it
2024-06-19 20:07:11	FrozenInferno	Yeah, after I reboot and verify everything's good, I may take some time and make a "@home-snapshots" and set it up like "@" and "@snapshots".
2024-06-19 20:07:22	FrozenInferno	I also don't like that they're nested.
2024-06-19 20:08:55	gehidore	That's what I would do
2024-06-19 20:13:27	FrozenInferno	gehidore Everything's great. So now I just `rm -rf @home-broken`?
2024-06-19 20:14:17	gehidore	Hang on to it for a while and if all is fine you can rm it or use btrfs sub del on it, which is what I prefer to do
2024-06-19 20:14:50	FrozenInferno	Good idea. Thanks for your help!
2024-06-19 20:14:51	gehidore	Avoid typos with rm that way ᕙ⁠(⁠⇀⁠‸⁠↼⁠‶⁠)⁠ᕗ
2024-06-19 20:14:57	gehidore	Cheers
2024-06-19 20:15:25	astralc	avoid variables with rm... like we learned from steam
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2024-06-26 21:37:08	Namarrgon	For what purpose?
2024-06-26 21:37:39	gaku	I can think of launching gamescope from the tty in drm mode to a specific output, but that's not probably it
2024-06-26 21:38:10	Namarrgon	You will often get different names from DRM and from xorg's ddx drivers.
2024-06-26 21:38:57	GodGinrai	Namarrgon: I am working on setting up a setup script that will generate a multihead xorg config that might have to run on different devices and have anywhere from 1 to 4 monitors plugged into them.
2024-06-26 21:42:53	GodGinrai	My script needs the friendly names used by xrandr so that it can populate the ZaphodHeads field in the xorg config.
2024-06-26 21:45:25	GodGinrai	If you've got a solution that doesn't involve spinning up X just to get these names, I'm more than happy to hear it.
2024-06-26 21:48:58	CodeAgain	Hello... What do I need in terms of binaries to get a fuse/virtiofs root filesystem mounted at an initrd generated by mkinitcpio? 
2024-06-26 21:50:18	GodGinrai	CarloWood: This sounds really messy.  So I'd basically have to use xinitrc to execute the second half of my script and exit X?
2024-06-26 21:50:18	Namarrgon	GodGinrai: Do GPUs do these systems have?
2024-06-26 21:50:24	Namarrgon	*What GPUs
2024-06-26 21:50:26	CodeAgain	I don't need any modules because I built them in the kernel image, but I guess there's something that needs to be performed at the initrd to be able to mount this root filesystem
2024-06-26 21:51:59	CarloWood	XINITRC=/usr/local/bin/myscript startx
2024-06-26 21:52:43	CarloWood	then put `xrandr {...args} > /tmp/output.txt` in /usr/local/bin/myscript
2024-06-26 21:52:50	GodGinrai	Namarrgon: Intel graphics for the current units.  Future units could be different.
2024-06-26 21:54:15	rcf	GodGinrai: /sys/class/drm/cardN-OUTPUTNAME
2024-06-26 21:55:43	CarloWood	Those are not the same names as xrandr uses though.
2024-06-26 21:55:54	GodGinrai	rcf: those names are not the ones used by xrandr and the ZaphodHeads field.
2024-06-26 21:56:04	Namarrgon	GodGinrai: Do you have the xf86-video-intel package installed?
2024-06-26 21:56:49	GodGinrai	I'm trying to not rely on hardware specific packages.  Why, is there a tool that can get me these names in there?
2024-06-26 21:57:13	Namarrgon	Is that a 'no'?
2024-06-26 21:58:33	GodGinrai	on this device, I don't.
2024-06-26 22:01:12	rcf	GodGinrai: on further examination, there's no way to do this without launching the X server.
2024-06-26 22:01:24	rcf	Even modesetting switches up the names. 
2024-06-26 22:02:23	CarloWood	The mapping is the same every time though; maybe there is logic behind it?
2024-06-26 22:03:07	GodGinrai	^ yea, this is exactly what I was thinking
2024-06-26 22:03:08	CarloWood	I think the numbers in /sys/class/drm/cardN-* just start at 1 for each card and each type.
2024-06-26 22:03:55	CarloWood	I have, for card1, DP-1, DP-2, DP-3 and HDMI-A-1
2024-06-26 22:04:25	CarloWood	but xrandr uses DP-0 and DP-4 :/... don't even know which is which :P
2024-06-26 22:05:05	CarloWood	Maybe that starts at 0 and skips existing names %-)
2024-06-26 22:07:46	GodGinrai	nah, on  my system it matches 1-4 with no 0
2024-06-26 22:09:14	GodGinrai	(HDMI-A-1 -> HDMI-1 and so on)
2024-06-26 22:11:48	rcf	It's driver-dependent, so you can't easily map. 
2024-06-26 22:13:47	rcf	xf86-video-amdgpu will preserve the A name, for example. 
2024-06-26 22:17:46	rcf	So spinning up X is the safe approach. 
2024-06-26 22:18:00	GodGinrai	So, I confirmed that if I put the commands into an .xinitrc, it works, but man that feels really bad.
2024-06-26 22:22:37	rcf	GodGinrai: it's the best you can realistically do if you really want this to work with any configuration. 
2024-06-26 22:23:20	GodGinrai	Yea, I think this will have to do for the time being, I guess.
2024-06-26 22:23:35	CarloWood	GodGinrai: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/692721/163895
2024-06-26 22:23:36	phrik	Title: multi monitor - How can I get stable video output names? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2024-06-26 22:25:01	CarloWood	xrandr --prop | grep -E 'connected|ConnectorNumber' | grep -A 1 ' connected'
2024-06-26 22:25:33	CarloWood	might give the current mapping - but not very useful: you'd need to have X running anyway, and it could change the next boot.
2024-06-26 22:25:58	rcf	Indeed. The first part is accurate. Each driver constructs the output names for X as it wishes. 
2024-06-26 22:27:22	CarloWood	I think xrandr collects all drm devices and applies some kind of sorting on them, using available data (maybe even EDID); and then hands out the names in the order. This means that if you remove a GPU then all names might change.
2024-06-26 22:27:39	CarloWood	that* order
2024-06-26 22:28:08	GodGinrai	thankfully, changing hardware is one issue I won't have to worry about
2024-06-26 22:28:36	GodGinrai	since if it changes, rerunning the script to generate the xorg config would just make sense
2024-06-26 22:29:10	GodGinrai	(and it's unlikely a particular device would change hardware while in this particular use)
2024-06-26 22:29:16	CarloWood	Pretty sure that the only way to get this info is to start up X.
2024-06-26 22:29:55	GodGinrai	Yea, I just would like to do it w/o having to dump part of the process into xinitrc.
2024-06-26 22:30:19	CarloWood	You don't have to... set that env var to point to another file.
2024-06-26 22:31:25	CarloWood	Then you just start up X, run your script that runs xrandr, and exits. The only thing that worries me is that errors might occur since you don't have a xorg.conf at that moment.
2024-06-26 22:31:27	GodGinrai	ah
2024-06-26 22:31:59	rcf	CarloWood: xrandr doesn't do it, the names are created in the DDX itself. 
2024-06-26 22:32:25	rcf	Usually in a drmmode_create_name() function, at least in the ones you encounter nowadays. 
2024-06-26 22:32:37	CarloWood	Yeah, that's what I meant - but xrandr can print all the info you need.
2024-06-26 22:33:17	GodGinrai	What's the difference between using startx and xinit in this process, btw?  Would one be better for using in a script?
2024-06-26 22:35:50	CarloWood	I'd use startx, why not? but I suppose you could just run 'xinit myscript.sh' -- "$server" $display $serverargs    if you know what those last three are.
2024-06-26 22:36:38	CarloWood	It sets up authentication though.. I'd use startx
2024-06-26 22:36:45	GodGinrai	gotcha
2024-06-26 22:54:24	BrainDamage	there's also sx as option, if you want to see what the bare minimum of tasks to start a x server
2024-06-26 22:54:34	BrainDamage	it's actually quite understandable
2024-06-26 23:37:10	alexandre9099	So managed to "solve" one problem, unsure if it could cause other problems, blacklisted intel-hid and now the body volume buttons work, brightness keys continue not working tho
2024-06-26 23:46:01	tomma365	hey, I've been having this issue on Manjaro (there isnt a manjaro channel i dont think, apologies if I cant post this here). Sometimes when I reboot I dont see the splash screen then boot into the system, my screen is just black, then I have to manually power cycle the pc, then it can happen again or just boot normally. I do dual boot windows but hardly use it. I'm not sure which info is
2024-06-26 23:46:01	tomma365	relevant to provide so please let me know and I'll provide. 
2024-06-26 23:46:01	tomma365	Thank you :)
2024-06-26 23:46:28	Namarrgon	Try the manjaro forums, we don't support other distros.
2024-06-26 23:47:04	tomma365	okay thank you :)
2024-06-27 00:05:05	gehidore	there is a manjaro channel...
2024-06-27 00:05:24	Namarrgon	Is anyone in there?
2024-06-27 00:05:31	Namarrgon	Apart from you :P
2024-06-27 00:05:31	gehidore	several
2024-06-27 00:05:49	gehidore	really shows the lack of effort though
2024-06-27 00:05:58	gehidore	"there isn't a channel I don't think" did you even try?
2024-06-27 00:06:45	gog	i'm there
2024-06-27 00:06:52	gog	i'm an operator there for some reason
2024-06-27 00:07:07	gog	i don't even use manjaro anymore
2024-06-27 00:20:06	ZLima12	I don't know how much of it is just a correlation based on the types of users to use it, but I've practically only heard about issues with Manjaro
2024-06-27 00:24:22	gog	honestly i never had issues with manjaro that i couldn't fix myself
2024-06-27 00:24:32	gog	but i'm also not really the target userbase
2024-06-27 00:24:52	gog	the main issue i had was delay of packages
2024-06-27 00:28:40	Namarrgon	People go to support channels to complain that something broke, not because everything is working fine and they want to praise the distro.
2024-06-27 00:30:03	gog	my arch install is working fine because it's competently adminstered by yours truly
2024-06-27 00:30:58	gog	with correctly packaged software from the arch  maintainers
2024-06-27 00:31:05	gog	praise all around
2024-06-27 00:32:31	grym	words of praise for fish food
2024-06-27 00:42:03	cloudowind	Namarrgon: some of us here to learn more :/ goodays/nights ArchPeople 
2024-06-27 01:19:17	sysanon_Guest	Who here runs Arch on their servers? whether it be self-hosted services, homelab, production or whatever.
2024-06-27 01:19:30	sysanon_Guest	Who here runs a pure Arch environment?
2024-06-27 01:19:42	gehidore	yes.
2024-06-27 01:19:44	gehidore	!poll
2024-06-27 01:19:45	phrik	Compensation for channel surveys is accepted in Dogecoins, Simoleons, and Kongbucks.
2024-06-27 01:20:01	sysanon_Guest	I daily drive Arch but not on any of my servers
2024-06-27 01:20:09	MacGyver	Does answering either question in the affirmative put me on the hook for follow-up questions which I have no interest in spending time on?
2024-06-27 01:20:14	bswartz	Dude, this is the arch channel
2024-06-27 01:20:18	bswartz	We all run arch
2024-06-27 01:21:23	bswartz	I would run arch on my phone if it was possible
2024-06-27 01:21:29	sysanon_Guest	Im trying to get a gauge of how common Arch servers/full Arch environments are
2024-06-27 01:22:24	MacGyver	Is it a "full arch environment" if I still run Windows in a VM to play certain games on?
2024-06-27 01:22:36	sysanon_Guest	Yes that counts
2024-06-27 01:22:40	bswartz	So arch is awesome for development and personal use, but no so good for production or running a business, where stability is more important than being awesome
2024-06-27 01:22:42	gehidore	what the hell is a full arch environment?
2024-06-27 01:22:57	MacGyver	Do the raspberry pis that I have to set up for my students with raspbian taint my environment?
2024-06-27 01:23:37	sysanon_Guest	yes
2024-06-27 01:23:43	MacGyver	Or the fact my Garmin watch certainly doesn't run arch?
2024-06-27 01:23:55	MacGyver	Oh, not to forget the Philips Hue lighting system.
2024-06-27 01:24:27	MacGyver	So I guess even though I run Arch on every system I use physically capable of running Arch, I guess I'm not running a full Arch environment.
2024-06-27 01:24:54	sysanon_Guest	Thats a good point
2024-06-27 01:25:13	bswartz	I would not use Arch in any situation where the thing breaking means I get woken up at night, or I lose money. It's not that stable
2024-06-27 01:25:31	bswartz	But I do all my development and daily use on Arch
2024-06-27 01:25:39	MacGyver	(I disagree with that, but that would be taking the question more serious than it deserves)
2024-06-27 01:25:56	MacGyver	(And on that note, back to grading these exams. 7 more to go.)
2024-06-27 01:26:54	sysanon_Guest	have fun
2024-06-27 03:20:59	cloudowind	sysanon_Guest: i do have samba domain contoller runnin on arch very well also another file server client for that dc also archlinux 
2024-06-27 03:22:34	cloudowind	and i find arch much more stable and safe than others ive been a linux user maybe for the last 25 years i would say 
2024-06-27 03:25:41	gaku	cloudowind: arch sucks, I was promised recurrent breakages after updates, but so far things just break when I do stupid stuff
2024-06-27 03:25:43	gaku	¡nograb
2024-06-27 03:29:52	sysanon_Guest	@Cloudowind  Ive been a Linux user for a little over a year and an Arch user for about 7 months.
2024-06-27 03:31:07	sysanon_Guest	I normally use Debian for all servers and Proxmox as my hypervisor with the single Alpine vm I have
2024-06-27 03:32:44	Edu4rdSHL	!ass
2024-06-27 03:32:45	phrik	Arch *Strategically* Sucks™
2024-06-27 03:34:48	cloudowind	sysanon_Guest: when i get a 4g wifi router/modem and ca use port forwarding , am plannin to run my own apache server on arch as well  so i ca host my own little page :/ ive used debian ll my life too its cool , redhat too but arch is different its got a different spirit anyway before gettingbosses angry i do stop here 
2024-06-27 03:35:54	sysanon_Guest	Be free cloudowind be free
2024-06-27 03:36:05	sysanon_Guest	thanks for the input tho
2024-06-27 03:39:33	gaku	one good thing of arch is that it tends to remain close to upstream, one bad thing of arch is that it tends to remain close to upstream
2024-06-27 03:39:41	gaku	if upstream makes dumb stuff, you get dumb stuff
2024-06-27 03:41:16	cloudowind	its respect more than freedom , i chose my freedom in that way because there is #archlinux-offtopic for these conversations :/ there quite nice topics being discussed too and more freedom there 
2024-06-27 03:44:59	littlepig453	!paste
2024-06-27 03:44:59	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-06-27 03:46:58	littlepig453	!rs
2024-06-27 03:46:59	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2024-06-27 03:47:07	littlepig453	!0x0
2024-06-27 03:47:07	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-06-27 03:48:39	grym	you can even pass more stuff there, set an expiration policy, get a deletion token 
2024-06-27 03:48:48	grym	0x0's quite nice when you don't need syntax highlighting 
2024-06-27 03:49:10	littlepig453	cool
2024-06-27 03:51:29	grym	(when you _do_, bpa.st/+name-of-lexer-here is great as well)
2024-06-27 04:05:51	tropnevad	when i installed arch and chose KDE i picked the plasma-meta instead of plasma-desktop for most convienence, but i noticed flatpak is installed by default, and removing flatpak then removes all the packages in discover, like they can only be installed with flatpak. ive never used flatpak before, and it seems they use a lot more space than using the normal packages (i might be wrong). im a little
2024-06-27 04:05:51	tropnevad	weary of using flatpak, and was wondering if there 
2024-06-27 04:05:51	tropnevad	was a way to get packages through discover without using flatpak
2024-06-27 04:06:30	tropnevad	is this something i need to configure with discover? or is flatpak the only way to get packages through discover with arch
2024-06-27 04:06:34	tropnevad	hope im making sense
2024-06-27 04:11:03	tropnevad	i figured it out by installing packagekit-qt6
2024-06-27 04:11:25	tropnevad	no more flatpak for mew
2024-06-27 04:11:26	tropnevad	ty
2024-06-27 04:54:14	slyc	.
2024-06-27 04:54:26	slyc	hi 
2024-06-27 07:13:58	eigar	So ... after last upgrade and reboot GNOME was completely reset. As in everything: keyboard-language, shortcuts, clock, wallpaper, resolution, monitor configuration and what not. I see there is a new directory in /home/user/ named $HOME, as literal '/home/user/$HOME' where there is one directory: .config, which in turn holds some directories like dconf, enchant, evolution, gnome-session and what
2024-06-27 07:14:00	eigar	not.
2024-06-27 07:14:24	eigar	From the looks of it GNOME uses that location instead of my $HOME ...
2024-06-27 07:15:53	eigar	I.e. the files in for example /home/user/.config/dconf has not been updated since before ugrade, the ones in /home/user/$HOME/.config are + from the looks of it looks vanilla.
2024-06-27 07:16:36	eigar	Any idea what can have happened here, and more important how to fix?
2024-06-27 07:17:07	BrainDamage	see if your XDG_* vars and/or HOME are being set to some odd value
2024-06-27 07:17:08	eigar	The $HOME shell variable is '/home/user'
2024-06-27 07:17:38	BrainDamage	but it sounds like some bad escaping somewhere
2024-06-27 07:18:00	BrainDamage	as temp fix, you could replace $HOME with a symlink to the real home
2024-06-27 07:19:45	eigar	Yeah. It looks like it. All XDG_* vars, HOME etc looks fine.
2024-06-27 07:20:50	BrainDamage	and if symlink doesn't do, a bind mount should be nearly transparent
2024-06-27 07:21:09	BrainDamage	you could try lsof'ing $HOME and see what reads it
2024-06-27 07:42:51	lighterowl	I'm looking for a more sophisticated fan control script than lm-sensors' fancontrol. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/fan_speed_control only mentions that and some solutions for laptops which don't apply to my hardware. basically, I want to say "set fan speed if CPU temp is over X _or_ HDD temp is over X" but fancontrol only has a single fan-to-temp relationship. 
2024-06-27 07:42:52	phrik	Title: Fan speed control - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-27 07:46:06	lighterowl	(or, rather, temp-to-fan)
2024-06-27 07:48:01	glitsj16	lighterowl: for Intel CPUs there's thermald
2024-06-27 07:48:23	eigar	It looks to be a mix. The '$HOME' files are opened by gnome-shell++ the "native" .config is open by firefox etc. Looking trough startup-scripts and what not.
2024-06-27 07:50:27	glitsj16	eigar: have you checked ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs yet?
2024-06-27 07:59:31	eigar	glitsj16: No, but it looks fine from what I can tell.
2024-06-27 08:05:03	lighterowl	glitsj16: thanks, but that's not really what I'm after. I can get the CPU and HDD temperatures via hwmon (coretemp and drivetemp respectively), I just need a piece of software to read them both instead of just one (which is what fancontrol does) and apply the pwm value accordingly.
2024-06-27 08:06:54	eigar	OK. Thanks. Have poked around a bit and doing a reboot. Hope it is fixed.
2024-06-27 10:51:07	megumin	>[drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* ring gfx_0.0.0 timeout, but soft recovered
2024-06-27 10:51:12	megumin	i can't play games
2024-06-27 11:06:06	kode54	megumin: damn, me too
2024-06-27 11:06:40	kode54	if I attempt to use ray tracing with Stray, it quickly times out
2024-06-27 11:07:06	alexandre9099	Hey, so I got the volume buttons to work, I would now edit the wiki to write my findings, but the already existing one is for a slightly different one (this laptop has different versions with optional hardware). What should I do? Just rewrite it (although on contributing it says I should write on talk and wait for reply)?
2024-06-27 11:07:42	kode54	except I don't have recovery enabled, so instead of my desktop logging me out, it hangs and I can't soft reboot
2024-06-27 11:08:01	kode54	capslock light still works
2024-06-27 11:08:18	kode54	but it won't switch me to a tty, or ctrl alt del
2024-06-27 11:08:59	kode54	sometimes it eventually drops to a tty showing what was on the text buffer before the compositor started
2024-06-27 11:14:20	Zta	Hi.  I want htpasswd.  But I don't want the entire Apache httpd installed.  Other dists have separate packages like httpd-utils, apache2-utils etc.  Does Arch have something similar that I've overlooked? 
2024-06-27 11:14:57	grawity	no
2024-06-27 11:15:40	grawity	in most cases it's not really worth it to split stuff into sub-packages
2024-06-27 11:16:10	kode54	megumin: are you willing to test something?
2024-06-27 11:17:47	Zta	I think case I think it is.  It appears that htpasswd is used not only for Apache httpd.
2024-06-27 11:21:10	grawity	if other httpds use the same format, they honestly ought to have their own tools
2024-06-27 11:21:20	grawity	but the point was, what would a separate package save you?
2024-06-27 11:24:58	megumin	kode54, what?
2024-06-27 11:27:46	SubWorx	hi, anyone proficient with qemu/libvirt? i can't start a domain because a mapped usb device changed bus/device and editing any xml to match it now doesn't do anything
2024-06-27 11:28:59	kode54	megumin: to see if downgrading linux-firmware to last month's release will fix the issue
2024-06-27 11:29:48	kode54	I would do it, but I'm not in the rebooting mood right now, maybe another time
2024-06-27 11:30:09	kode54	well, rebooting and potentially locking up my machine again
2024-06-27 11:30:43	kode54	for instance, the Navy Flounder firmware was updated on the 4th, and made it into the 20240610 release of linux-firmware
2024-06-27 11:35:02	megumin	20240312 is this version ok?
2024-06-27 11:36:26	kode54	oh? that long since you last updated?
2024-06-27 11:36:37	kode54	there was a release in May too
2024-06-27 11:36:45	kode54	you can test that 0312 one though
2024-06-27 11:37:06	kode54	hope it doesn't break having a current kernel
2024-06-27 11:37:08	megumin	I updated a couple of weeks ago
2024-06-27 11:37:18	kode54	oh
2024-06-27 11:37:29	kode54	so you didn't have the 20240610 version installed
2024-06-27 11:37:40	megumin	i have
2024-06-27 11:37:44	kode54	meh, guess it wasn't that simple
2024-06-27 11:39:53	megumin	why i can download 0510 version from archive
2024-06-27 11:45:22	plitter	I tried to install a package and it is saying (unable to lock database) which is weird since I haven't started pacman after reboot. When I check the log I see https://termbin.com/7n91, so there seems to be something that runs every hour to update my package list. I've tried to check timers, and cron. Any other suggestions?
2024-06-27 11:46:22	grawity	plitter: install forkstat or extrace-git, run it, wait until the command (and its parent) shows up in the trace
2024-06-27 11:53:30	plitter	grawity: thanks, installed forkstat hopefully I'll catch it :)
2024-06-27 12:06:30	SubWorx	fixed it, had to remove /var/lib/libvirt/qemu/save/<domain>.save
2024-06-27 12:23:48	cloudowind	its good that those who fixes their own problems giving a feedback so we are at least having an idea how :)
2024-06-27 12:39:47	crossliner	Hello
2024-06-27 12:41:50	CarloWood	cloudowind: plus, assuming this is archived somewhere, that the commercial A.I. can learn from it too.
2024-06-27 12:45:26	grym	irc is, thankfully, not regularly logged
2024-06-27 12:46:11	BrainDamage	I wouldn't be surprised if the major channels have users logging the content
2024-06-27 12:46:17	BrainDamage	they are public channels afterall
2024-06-27 12:46:35	BrainDamage	and I mean dedicated loggers, not simply clients that have logging on
2024-06-27 12:47:08	grym	lots of lurkers on permanent bouncers
2024-06-27 12:47:08	CarloWood	I thought/assumed this channel had an archive too. It would be a waste if it hadn't.
2024-06-27 12:48:04	BrainDamage	there are no official logs
2024-06-27 12:53:02	CarloWood	https://www.ircdriven.com/network/Libera.Chat/channel/archlinux/log/
2024-06-27 12:53:05	phrik	Title: Log - #archlinux / Libera.Chat - IRC Driven - Everything Driven By IRC (at www.ircdriven.com)
2024-06-27 12:53:14	CarloWood	Channel logging for #archlinux is not currently enabled
2024-06-27 12:53:16	CarloWood	too bad
2024-06-27 12:53:24	CarloWood	you can turn it on maybe? :)
2024-06-27 12:53:37	grym	there's a fairly strong community sense on irc that public logs are bad
2024-06-27 12:53:43	grym	(which i think is true, also)
2024-06-27 12:55:39	axq	i agree
2024-06-27 13:01:16	The-Compiler	https://libera.chat/policies/#public-logging has a bit on it too
2024-06-27 13:01:17	phrik	Title: Network policies | Libera Chat (at libera.chat)
2024-06-27 13:49:09	CarloWood	Thanks, but my contact at openAI stopped accepting my IRC logs.
2024-06-27 13:50:05	grym	good
2024-06-27 13:52:16	grym	the less they get to do the better
2024-06-27 14:01:13	rainbowtux	Hi all... I got following output on dmesg, https://pastebin.com/5KLc5unG - for me this looks like memory issues (probably hardware), i regularly have kernel panics when rebooting ro random lock up... checking here if you would agree with that assessment 
2024-06-27 14:01:14	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/Xm1F.txt
2024-06-27 14:01:14	phrik	Title: [Thu Jun 27 12:13:39 2024] BUG: unable to handle page fault for address: 0000000 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-06-27 14:03:13	rainbowtux	EMIYA: you prefer 0x0? :)
2024-06-27 14:04:23	grym	rainbowtux: pastebin is kind of bad
2024-06-27 14:04:28	grym	many better options exist 
2024-06-27 14:04:29	grym	!paste
2024-06-27 14:04:29	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-06-27 14:08:34	Namarrgon	Does it still happen with zswap disabled?
2024-06-27 14:08:56	Namarrgon	Have you tested the ram?
2024-06-27 14:10:29	rainbowtux	Namarrgon: zswap disabled does not cause lock ups when running the system but still issues when rebooting, and firefox randomly failed
2024-06-27 14:10:46	rainbowtux	Namarrgon: initial ram test does not show much but should still run a longer one tbh, been a few hectic weeks
2024-06-27 14:11:24	Namarrgon	Which external modules are you using? nvidia?
2024-06-27 14:16:07	rainbowtux	Namarrgon: nvidia yes but mostly running the intel gfx (occasional game, but less than 1/week, so also crash without the module being really active)
2024-06-27 15:06:45	ArrDee	can anyone help me with fixing my sound?
2024-06-27 15:08:42	parakovsky	is it pulseaudio or pipewire
2024-06-27 15:09:30	mpan	parakovsky: such assumptions! ;)
2024-06-27 15:09:38	parakovsky	alsa?
2024-06-27 15:09:39	mpan	ArrDee: don’t ask to ask. Just describe your problem.
2024-06-27 15:09:50	mpan	If anybody knows, they will answer.
2024-06-27 15:09:55	parakovsky	spill it out champ
2024-06-27 15:11:10	ArrDee	Sorry, someone came in the office
2024-06-27 15:11:13	ArrDee	Ill brb
2024-06-27 15:11:41	cloudowind	:)
2024-06-27 15:15:01	mpan	In the past you’d hide a game or 18+ sites, when somebody came in the office. In 2024 you hide Arch and your IRC window…
2024-06-27 15:23:42	astralc	mpan: you are using OSS4?
2024-06-27 15:26:38	mpan	astralc: I’m not, but some do use OSS. I use ALSA.
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2024-06-27 16:50:22	GodGinrai	Is there a tool out there that abstracts xorg.conf modifications?  I'm trying to generate an xorg.conf as part of a script, and I figured I'd start w/ the autogenerated conf file and modify it from there.
2024-06-27 16:50:52	Namarrgon	Don't generate a full xorg.conf, only stuff snippets into xorg.conf.d
2024-06-27 16:51:32	Namarrgon	The config "X -configure" spits out is 95% useless bloat.
2024-06-27 16:52:37	GodGinrai	Is there an easy way to get things like my busid for my devices without using the autogenerated config?
2024-06-27 16:52:41	Namarrgon	Do you really need a fixed monitor config? Have you considered some xrandr based script?
2024-06-27 16:52:53	Namarrgon	What do you need the busid for?
2024-06-27 16:53:13	GodGinrai	Isn't that used in the Device rule to identify the device?
2024-06-27 16:53:23	Namarrgon	What kind of device?
2024-06-27 16:53:29	GodGinrai	the gpu
2024-06-27 16:53:47	Namarrgon	You don't need to specify the gpu to configure the displays.
2024-06-27 16:54:00	GodGinrai	xrandr only sets configurations for one screen at a time.  I'm trying to set up a separate screen for each monitor.
2024-06-27 16:54:33	Phr33d0m	hi, is it possible to have `pacman -Syu` dry run? (just print, not upgrade)
2024-06-27 16:54:40	Namarrgon	Phr33d0m: no
2024-06-27 16:54:44	Phr33d0m	thanks
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2024-06-27 16:54:53	Skaarj	GodGinrai: you can use drop-in config files with x.org
2024-06-27 16:55:44	Skaarj	GodGinrai: https://www.x.org/releases/current/doc/man/man5/xorg.conf.5.xhtml
2024-06-27 16:55:47	phrik	Title: xorg.conf (at www.x.org)
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2024-06-27 16:56:33	Namarrgon	Phr33d0m: Are you looking for a list of package updates?
2024-06-27 16:57:07	GodGinrai	Skaarj: I'm aware, but that doesn't change what I'm doing.  Whether I have one config file or separate files, I still need the busid to identify my GPU.
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2024-06-27 16:58:19	wunit	doesn't xrandr merely configure the layout of the monitors, and then you need something like Xinerama (or rather: a Xinerama-capable WM) to set up the screens accordingly?
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2024-06-27 17:06:31	lighterowl	Phr33d0m: something like `echo no | pacman -Syu` is going to work for you, I think.
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2024-06-28 18:41:36	luca0N	lmat: no worries :-)
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2024-06-28 21:40:21	bosma	installed r8168-dkms (which blacklists r8169) and rebooted, the realtek device doesn't exist (no r816* in dmesg), but `modprobe r8168` succeeds. i still dont see the device. is there anything else you have to do after modprobing a network driver?
2024-06-28 21:41:50	bosma	o, figured it out, no there isnt, because modprobe r8169 works and internet is up
2024-06-28 21:42:22	bosma	getting like minute long disconnects with r8169
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2024-06-29 19:44:06	novns	what is not broken with the new nvidia driver is video playback, and this is suspicious
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2024-06-29 19:48:21	teraflops	my mirror is outdated now I want to test new nvidia drivers
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2024-06-29 19:51:17	novns	an old bronze mirror from Ancient Egypt?
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2024-06-29 19:51:37	teraflops	rate mirrors bin to the help
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2024-06-29 19:55:59	teraflops	lets see how it goes
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2024-06-29 20:01:29	novns	it's interesting the only gtk2 app I have here is hexchat
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2024-06-29 20:02:21	novns	I thought there are a lot of them
2024-06-29 20:03:05	sheep	gtk2 is a big reason why I don't use hexchat. gimp 2.x still uses gtk 2, but gimp 2.99, which will become gimp 3.0, uses gtk 3
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2024-06-29 20:03:48	novns	I don't like console IRC clients, xchat/hexchat are perfect
2024-06-29 20:06:29	MacGyver	CarloWood: You should be able to still just set the source in pavucontrol, and that should be remembered automagically.
2024-06-29 20:07:00	novns	but hexchat is abandoned now, someone should fork it and continue
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2024-06-29 20:07:51	MacGyver	We had someone in... here, #alot, or #linux the other day that claimed they were gonna do that and then only give source code access for lots of money.
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2024-06-29 20:07:58	CarloWood	MacGyver: where would that information be stored? All I can find, that seems customized, is ~/.local/state/wireplumber and that doesn't seem to contain anything related to automatically making connections :/.
2024-06-29 20:08:34	MacGyver	Aside from their general attitude signaling they did not have anywhere near the technical know-how to do that, the blatant license issues were a "fun" discussion point.
2024-06-29 20:08:50	MacGyver	Anyway, I wouldn't bet on anyone actually continuing hexchat.
2024-06-29 20:09:02	CarloWood	I'm using hexchat...
2024-06-29 20:09:14	MacGyver	A safer bet might be to find a Matrix client you like and run your own bridges :P
2024-06-29 20:09:17	novns	everyone is using hexchat
2024-06-29 20:09:28	MacGyver	Sure. But I wouldn't bet on anyone *continuing* the project.
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2024-06-29 20:09:54	MacGyver	Devs are usually users, but finding a good dev who *wants* to do it among the existing userbase...
2024-06-29 20:10:02	novns	there is some Polari with newer GTK
2024-06-29 20:10:04	MacGyver	Wouldn't they have stepped up by now?
2024-06-29 20:10:13	novns	but I don't like it for no reason
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2024-06-29 20:11:29	MacGyver	CarloWood: To answer your question, the information to remember what you set last time is stored in .local/state/wireplumber/restore-stream
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2024-06-29 20:12:07	MacGyver	CarloWood: That part works fine for me; I haven't looked into modifying what applications end up doing when launched "the first time".
2024-06-29 20:12:29	CarloWood	MacGyver: My X2u Adapter is already listed as Input in pavucontrol. And I see it in qpwgraph - as do I see the obs node when I start that, but it doesn't connect the two.
2024-06-29 20:13:10	CarloWood	I don't have restore-stream
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2024-06-29 20:16:05	MacGyver	Hmm. 
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2024-06-29 20:46:15	sheep	I think this looks right but maybe it needs to be __eza "$@"
2024-06-29 20:46:38	siak	Is it possible to enable nvidia ram sharing in Linux?
2024-06-29 20:47:12	MrAureliusR	I'll give that a try sheep :)
2024-06-29 20:47:49	MrAureliusR	now parse error near '"$@"'
2024-06-29 20:49:57	MrAureliusR	seems to be: [2024-06-27T12:18:08-0400] [ALPM] upgraded eza (0.18.19-1 -> 0.18.20-1)
2024-06-29 20:50:09	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-06-29 20:50:27	MrAureliusR	yup, already been reported apparently
2024-06-29 20:50:55	MrAureliusR	there's a temporary patch to fix
2024-06-29 20:51:32	MrAureliusR	aha, notice lines 36 and 37 in my paste
2024-06-29 20:51:37	MrAureliusR	they are missing \ at the end of the line
2024-06-29 20:52:02	MrAureliusR	yay, that fixed it. thanks so much for the help sheep and NetSysFire :)
2024-06-29 20:52:04	sheep	https://github.com/eza-community/eza/commit/99b2fc214e3783bc079c34826af6d63f4430cb4b broke it
2024-06-29 20:52:31	MrAureliusR	there's already a report
2024-06-29 20:52:46	sheep	two reports even
2024-06-29 20:52:56	MrAureliusR	yeah
2024-06-29 20:53:41	MrAureliusR	hopefully they do fast-track it into a point update
2024-06-29 20:53:48	CarloWood	Grr pipewire sucks a lot more than pulse :/.  There are pages and pages of documentation but no way to find how to make a simple connection. Wtf.
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2024-06-29 20:54:11	MrAureliusR	CarloWood: I've had the opposite experience with pipewire, it's been extremely solid
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2024-06-29 20:54:16	MrAureliusR	What issue are you having?
2024-06-29 20:54:19	CarloWood	If I ask chatgpt it wants me to write a lua script, but if I try that - it won't work, of course.
2024-06-29 20:55:43	MrAureliusR	in my experience chatgpt is less than useless at writing code
2024-06-29 20:56:00	MrAureliusR	I've never gotten a single working piece of code from it. It always makes stupid elementary mistakes
2024-06-29 20:56:09	CarloWood	MrAureliusR: I see an input device called "X2u Shure adapter", this is my microphone. I see it pavucontrol (and the vu meters where there, if I speak) as input device, and I see it in qpwgraph.
2024-06-29 20:56:26	CarloWood	If I open OBS then likewise an output device is created and appears.
2024-06-29 20:56:53	CarloWood	All I want is that it AUTOMATICALLY connects the two. If I connect it manually, by drawing two lines in qpwgraph - it works.
2024-06-29 20:57:03	CarloWood	but if then I restart OBS - it is again not connected.
2024-06-29 20:57:37	CarloWood	I see it in* pavucontrol...
2024-06-29 20:57:56	CarloWood	and the vu meters there* ...
2024-06-29 20:58:21	CarloWood	work* .. oh well.. too many typos, but you get it I suppose.
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2024-06-29 21:02:18	CarloWood	MrAureliusR: So how should this work? Do I have to write a lua script for a simple connection?
2024-06-29 21:06:36	MrAureliusR	Hmm, I've never had that exact situation before, so I'm not totally sure
2024-06-29 21:06:44	MrAureliusR	Let me check something real quick
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2024-06-29 21:07:57	CarloWood	I tried to read the documentation, but they talk about everything except "how to automate a connection".  What I understood is that if I manually connect it in qpwgraph and than Save, then it should be reconnect automatically the next time.
2024-06-29 21:07:59	MrAureliusR	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#PipeWire_patch_sets_for_command_line
2024-06-29 21:08:00	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-29 21:08:12	CarloWood	However, qpwgraph doesn't allow me to Save. Only Save As...
2024-06-29 21:08:16	MrAureliusR	There's the way to do it with a script file
2024-06-29 21:09:10	MrAureliusR	Those are scripts that should help you save current connections, and then load them automatically
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2024-06-29 21:09:39	MrAureliusR	There's also an excellent page with examples here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire/Examples
2024-06-29 21:09:40	phrik	Title: PipeWire/Examples - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-29 21:09:51	siak	I mean unified memory
2024-06-29 21:09:53	MrAureliusR	Not sure if that covers what you want or not, but useful nonetheless
2024-06-29 21:10:36	MrAureliusR	Also, because Pipewire replicates pulseaudio, I believe pulseaudio scripts should work as well
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2024-06-29 21:12:04	siak	Why there is nothing about nvidia open source driver on the wiki?
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2024-06-29 21:12:36	astralc	there is
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2024-06-29 21:16:51	CarloWood	MrAureliusR: That link, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#PipeWire_patch_sets_for_command_line  talks about "pw-cli dump short link"
2024-06-29 21:16:52	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-06-29 21:17:05	CarloWood	>pw-cli dump short link
2024-06-29 21:17:05	CarloWood	Error: "Command "dump" does not exist. Type 'help' for usage."
2024-06-29 21:17:17	CarloWood	So, outdated page.
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2024-06-29 21:19:49	kali__	hi 
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2024-07-02 09:02:10	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-07-02 09:12:18	printfdebugging	Hi, I installed archlinux in a partition of the windows drive, and now grub is not showing up
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2024-07-02 09:30:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-07-02 09:30:45	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1405 nicks (2 ops, 0 voiced, 1403 regular)
2024-07-02 09:12:18	printfdebugging	Hi, I installed archlinux in a partition of the windows drive, and now grub is not showing up
2024-07-02 09:12:35	printfdebugging	It just boots into windows
2024-07-02 09:15:39	Edu4rdSHL	printfdebugging, does the boot option exists on your BIOS?
2024-07-02 09:16:03	printfdebugging	I have msi motherboard, which visually shows the drives. It doesn't show grub anywhere.
2024-07-02 09:16:19	printfdebugging	for UEFI, it shows the nemv marked with windows boot manager
2024-07-02 09:16:32	printfdebugging	*nvme
2024-07-02 09:18:21	Edu4rdSHL	So, no more entries then? Is secure boot disabled?
2024-07-02 09:18:50	printfdebugging	Ok, it shows it. There was some burried menu in the bios. Let me try by putting grub on the top
2024-07-02 09:20:10	printfdebugging	Edu4rdSHL: but it shows the grub command line like "grub >"
2024-07-02 09:24:39	Edu4rdSHL	How do you installed Arch?
2024-07-02 09:24:45	Edu4rdSHL	Seems like that some step was missed
2024-07-02 09:25:46	ponies	check whether grub wrote a boot entry with efibootmgr or bootctl 
2024-07-02 09:26:37	ponies	if you typed the command correctly, it would have, hoewever, people often fudge these commands
2024-07-02 09:27:09	printfdebugging	I just ran grub-install... 
2024-07-02 09:27:20	printfdebugging	update-grub wasn't found
2024-07-02 09:27:24	ponies	printfdebugging: please show us what you typed.
2024-07-02 09:27:48	ponies	printfdebugging: use the archwiki only. do not use Ubuntu documentation. update-grub is an unbuntu wrapper 
2024-07-02 09:28:28	printfdebugging	grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=esp --bootloader-id=GRUB here instead of esp I placed /boot
2024-07-02 09:29:41	ponies	looks good to me. what is the output of efibootmgr or bootctl? 
2024-07-02 09:30:17	printfdebugging	let me use ssh to copy it over
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2024-07-02 09:31:01	ponies	you also have to generate the configuration. i expect you also continued with inputting the grub-mkconfig -o line
2024-07-02 09:31:21	printfdebugging	No I missed that
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2024-07-02 09:32:21	teraflops	hmm python-numpy 2 borked howdy
2024-07-02 09:33:12	printfdebugging	It shows up as expected. But windows boot loader entry doesn't show up there
2024-07-02 09:34:01	ponies	printfdebugging: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Detecting_other_operating_systems
2024-07-02 09:34:02	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-02 09:34:03	Erus_Iluvatar	printfdebugging: OS_PROBER is disabled by default
2024-07-02 09:34:16	Erus_Iluvatar	Heh, I've been too slow :D
2024-07-02 09:34:26	ponies	yeah, im onto this guy! 
2024-07-02 09:34:52	Erus_Iluvatar	and you're doing an awesome job :)
2024-07-02 09:35:03	ponies	oh baby! XD
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2024-07-02 09:43:10	printfdebugging	"For Windows installed in UEFI mode, make sure the EFI system partition containing the Windows Boot Manager (bootmgfw.efi) is mounted. Run os-prober as root to detect and generate an entry for it." I ran os-prober, but still the entry doesn't show up
2024-07-02 09:43:17	printfdebugging	for windows boot manager
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2024-07-02 11:03:46	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-07-02 10:46:47	MrElendig	but when your window weights nearly 3000kg you kind of need some mechanical leverage to move it :)
2024-07-02 10:48:49	MrElendig	speaking of cars: https://youtube.com/shorts/l6VhcPB3uzg
2024-07-02 10:48:51	phrik	Title: Good ‘Ol Crank Windows Never Let Me Down…Except In Fords #shorts - YouTube (at youtube.com)
2024-07-02 10:52:08	Erus_Iluvatar	I was half expecting the "i know what's wrong with it it ain't got no gas in it" meme at the end instead of his reaction
2024-07-02 10:52:34	astralc	😅😂😭
2024-07-02 10:53:08	MrElendig	one of my company cars was fun, if you cranked the window up too hard it would skip and fall down again
2024-07-02 10:53:09	printfdebugging	Works nicely once I installed ntfs-3g
2024-07-02 10:55:06	MrElendig	probably worked if you mounted the drive using ntfs3 too
2024-07-02 10:55:22	MrElendig	more a problem of drive not being mounted than not having ntfs-3g
2024-07-02 10:56:32	teraflops	iirc for os prober to detect windows installation, you have to mount the oartition where windows lies and enable os probe in /etc/default grub, then run grub-mkconfig...
2024-07-02 10:57:14	teraflops	ah if windows is encrypted, forget about that
2024-07-02 10:59:32	teraflops	bbecause in lsblk you will only see bitlocker blah blahblah
2024-07-02 10:59:52	astralc	teraflops: isn't it just for BIOS installations?
2024-07-02 11:00:03	teraflops	uefi here
2024-07-02 11:00:17	teraflops	idk about bios tbh
2024-07-02 11:01:13	teraflops	hhm let me boot the ñaptop
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2024-07-02 11:05:01	teraflops	https://paste.priet.us/61c0/
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2024-07-02 17:22:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-07-02 17:41:05	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-07-02 17:41:05	ℹ 	Topic set by BrainDamage on Mon, 01 Jul 2024 16:36:32
2024-07-02 17:41:05	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1448 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1447 regular)
2024-07-02 17:41:07	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-07-02 17:45:30	teraflops	I hate when they release a firmware update for the mobo and says: Important Information:
2024-07-02 17:45:30	teraflops	Optimize system performance
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2024-07-02 17:46:17	grym	reticulate splines, install backdoors, the usual 
2024-07-02 17:46:18	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, bug fixes and performance improvements!
2024-07-02 17:46:27	teraflops	yeah :(
2024-07-02 17:46:38	Edu4rdSHL	Which vendor?
2024-07-02 17:46:41	teraflops	asus
2024-07-02 17:46:48	Edu4rdSHL	Gigabyte tends to do a gret job
2024-07-02 17:46:50	Edu4rdSHL	Ooh
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2024-07-02 17:48:58	Erus_Iluvatar	IIRC they also make exploding PSUs ;)
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2024-07-02 17:50:20	Edu4rdSHL	That a plus, isn't it? Fireworks at home for the whole family!
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2024-07-02 20:12:50	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-07-02 18:04:55	astralc	it like release notes "Consult product documentation"
2024-07-02 18:28:45	Auerhuhn	Hi y’all, is tensorflow broken for everyone on Arch or just me? Would like a second opinion before I go on submitting an issue
2024-07-02 18:28:53	Auerhuhn	https://0x0.st/Xa9Q.log
2024-07-02 18:29:55	grym	tensorflow is just broken, usually :P
2024-07-02 18:31:18	grym	that one's an easy thing diagnose, however: that tensorflow version is limited to numpy <2.0
2024-07-02 18:31:33	Auerhuhn	I’m wondering because it was specifically rebuilt for numpy 2.0 last week: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/tensorflow/-/commit/f5565be200923893a2326789be59c3f7acb2a6eb
2024-07-02 18:31:34	phrik	Title: upgpkg: 2.16.1-9: numpy 2.0 rebuild (f5565be2) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / tensorflow · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-07-02 18:32:14	grym	apparently not, then 
2024-07-02 18:32:58	Auerhuhn	grym: fair enough. Going to file an issue then
2024-07-02 18:50:51	gromit	Auerhuhn: yeah it was built against numpy 2.0 (bsdtar xfO /var/cache/pacman/pkg/tensorflow-2.16.1-9-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst .BUILDINFO | grep numpy)
2024-07-02 18:50:58	gromit	Possibly this is a vendoring issue
2024-07-02 18:51:04	grym	perhaps it oughtn't have been :) 
2024-07-02 18:51:18	gromit	But yeah feel free to open a bug report 
2024-07-02 18:51:28	grym	as the error text says, tf 2.16.1-9 expects numpy 1.x
2024-07-02 18:52:08	gromit	grym: yeah but it should have been compiled with 2.x which apparently is backwards compatible
2024-07-02 18:52:16	gromit	just 1.x is not forward compatible
2024-07-02 18:52:48	Auerhuhn	gromit: turns out tensorflow upstream tip-of-the-tree doesn’t even have numpy 2 support yet:  https://github.com/tensorflow/tensorflow/issues/67291
2024-07-02 18:53:07	grym	https://github.com/tensorflow/tensorflow/blob/v2.16.1/requirements_lock_3_11.txt#L363  
2024-07-02 18:53:15	grym	gromit: it is not backwards compatible
2024-07-02 18:53:29	grym	numpy is very clear about this 
2024-07-02 18:53:53	grym	https://numpy.org/devdocs/numpy_2_0_migration_guide.html 
2024-07-02 18:53:53	phrik	Title: NumPy 2.0 migration guide — NumPy v2.1.dev0 Manual (at numpy.org)
2024-07-02 18:54:34	grym	Auerhuhn: deeply unsurprised
2024-07-02 18:54:35	Auerhuhn	So I figure python-numpy v2.0 should never have been upgpkg’ed, given that tensorflow isn’t ready for it
2024-07-02 18:54:49	grym	you can't have them work together, anyway 
2024-07-02 18:55:21	grym	imo doing this at a system/distro level is asking for exactly this diamond dependency hell for python in general and DL python in particular
2024-07-02 18:55:46	grym	exponentially more so if you have to use a specific tensorflow version; it's a bit of a vortex
2024-07-02 18:57:02	Auerhuhn	grym: I wouldn’t call it dependency hell. It’s perfectly normal for maintainers to defer upgpkg’ing a package if one of its dependencies aren’t ready yet. Not an issue per se
2024-07-02 18:57:36	grym	Auerhuhn: " i need numpy 2 and tensorflow 2.16 and i want to install both of them with pacman" is dependency hell, no? because you cannot do it
2024-07-02 18:57:54	grym	one will break the other 
2024-07-02 18:58:14	grym	(unless there's two numpy packages for arch now, which there might be, i'm not sure)
2024-07-02 18:58:25	Auerhuhn	grym: "I need numpy 2" is simply not something Arch can give you yet
2024-07-02 18:58:32	grym	well, it's right there :)
2024-07-02 18:58:45	Auerhuhn	grym: because everyone can make a mistake
2024-07-02 18:59:43	grym	sure
2024-07-02 18:59:54	Auerhuhn	I think the right thing to do is file an issue against `python-numpy` and ask whether it can be reverted from 2.0.0-1 to 2#:1.26.4-1
2024-07-02 19:00:01	grym	i would characterize being able to be in that situation as "being in dependency hell"
2024-07-02 19:00:04	Auerhuhn	s/#//
2024-07-02 19:00:06	bionade24	Is there a way to tell pacman to install all optdepends of a pkg? Can't find anything in the manpage
2024-07-02 19:00:45	Auerhuhn	grym: no, it’s an everyday situation. Just like python 12.x dropping many months after its upstream release
2024-07-02 19:01:03	Auerhuhn	s/12.x/3.12.x/
2024-07-02 19:01:12	Scimmia	bionade24: no
2024-07-02 19:01:22	grym	i remain very glad i'm not a distro package maintainer, i think :D 
2024-07-02 19:01:36	Scimmia	you'd have to script that
2024-07-02 19:03:37	bionade24	Scimmia: That's what I currently consider, but it's the 1st time I need this in 5y IIRC.  And I don't see how I can get the optdeps in a more easily parsable format to avoid awk
2024-07-02 19:05:46	Scimmia	bionade24: expac, maybe
2024-07-02 19:06:17	bionade24	Scimmia: Thx, didn't know about it!
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2024-07-03 09:35:16	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-07-03 01:14:45	dviola	Namarrgon: would it be possible to use qemu to start said effort? I don't have ARM hardware or I'd help
2024-07-03 01:16:20	Namarrgon	How much do you trust yourself, and qemu, to produce something that will work on actual hardware?
2024-07-03 01:17:55	dviola	I trust qemu
2024-07-03 01:18:06	demize	QEMU is fine for building, but not good enough for testing.
2024-07-03 01:19:51	demize	Emulators for other architectures are almost always much more lenient in what they accept compared to what real hardware would.
2024-07-03 01:20:30	demize	And they can get away with it because that's fine for emulation!  It's not meant to be a fully equivalent model, it's just supposed to be able to execute things that could be executed on "the real thing."
2024-07-03 01:22:39	dviola	makes sense
2024-07-03 01:23:04	mys_721tx	so I was updating my SSO details
2024-07-03 01:23:26	mys_721tx	and thought the ? * at the end was part of the captcha 
2024-07-03 01:25:49	mys_721tx	and that crashed my terminal emulator.
2024-07-03 01:27:52	demonicmaniac1	there's no upstream support and IF/WHEN you can actually use a laptop as such is unclear. 6.11 has some patches upstream but there's still like a 1000 things to do before you can even use battery/draw to screen etc and that's not even counting drm and gpu and what not
2024-07-03 01:27:59	demonicmaniac1	re snapdragon elite
2024-07-03 01:29:00	demonicmaniac1	before qualcomm actually upstreams everything to be able to boot a mainline linux on it and it working for most of the hw there's really no point even talking about it especially considering their previous "attempts"
2024-07-03 01:38:02	rcf	Also the relaxed secure boot requirements (in terms of allowing users to manage their own things) mean firmwware is going to be even more of a crapshoot than it already was. 
2024-07-03 01:51:16	demonicmaniac1	besides they're all actively cooled and loud as frick and draw 50w+ and cost twice a zen4 variant with pretty much equivalent efficiency and perf but fully working :P
2024-07-03 02:29:50	tropnevad	is there a way to use upate-grub with arch?
2024-07-03 02:30:07	Namarrgon	Do you understand why update-grub does?
2024-07-03 02:30:14	tropnevad	no
2024-07-03 02:30:15	Namarrgon	s/why/what/
2024-07-03 02:30:24	Namarrgon	It generates grub.cfg.
2024-07-03 02:30:28	tropnevad	right
2024-07-03 02:30:41	Namarrgon	How did you generate your grub.cfg?
2024-07-03 02:30:45	tropnevad	but instead of typing out hte whole grub-mkconfig can i just use update-grub?
2024-07-03 02:31:04	Namarrgon	How often do you need to regenerate grub.cfg?
2024-07-03 02:31:08	tropnevad	not very often
2024-07-03 02:31:23	Namarrgon	If you still want it then stuff that command into a shell script.
2024-07-03 02:31:29	tropnevad	ok ^^
2024-07-03 04:09:34	pushrad	how do i get a package included in core/extra? i'm tired of rebuilding clementine all the time
2024-07-03 04:10:32	mpan	pushrad: a package maintainer must be interested in maintaining it.
2024-07-03 04:10:37	pushrad	i am 
2024-07-03 04:11:23	topcat001	The newer intel cpus (and also possibly amd) can idle at very low power levels. Loaded power draw is high but I get very good battery life for light browsing+coding tasks.
2024-07-03 04:12:18	topcat001	especially running Arch (without unnecessary stuff)
2024-07-03 04:12:20	pushrad	mpan
2024-07-03 04:12:25	mpan	pushrad: you are a package maintainer? I don’t see you on the list. And… if you are tired of building it, why do you want to… have to rebuild it? Not sure if I understand that correctly.
2024-07-03 04:12:35	pushrad	no i meant i'm interested m
2024-07-03 04:12:40	rcf	pushrad: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Package_Maintainers for the process 
2024-07-03 04:12:41	phrik	Title: Package Maintainers - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-03 04:12:56	mpan	pushrad: a **package maintainer** must be interested in maintaining it.
2024-07-03 04:13:02	pushrad	oh
2024-07-03 04:13:14	mpan	Perhaps I should have capitalize that.
2024-07-03 04:13:53	pushrad	bummer it's harder than i thought
2024-07-03 04:14:59	mpan	It’s based on volunteer work. And they take packages in, when they’re interested in maintaining them.
2024-07-03 04:34:25	demonicmaniac1	topcat001: the asus vivobook with snapdragon draws 86w at the wall for the touted 1100 cb24 scores. that's a lot higher than any 7840u say
2024-07-03 04:46:45	topcat001	:-O
2024-07-03 04:48:00	gehidore	Ironically I've always had worse power consumption with Linux on mobile than the evil duo 
2024-07-03 04:48:22	topcat001	I have an M1 mac laptop (it's a distant secondary system; macos is too quirky for me to use full time) but the efficiency of the hardware is astounding.
2024-07-03 04:48:34	gehidore	That said I don't care if I've got 5 hours of battery use compared to 6 
2024-07-03 04:49:30	topcat001	On every computer I have (Dells almost exclusively from $work) Arch and even Ubuntu (properly tamed) is significantly more efficient for me.
2024-07-03 04:50:49	topcat001	I think even though Windows might have a more efficient driver in some cases, the platform is so wasteful that it cancels out. I am actually quite familiar with windows internals, BTW.
2024-07-03 04:51:17	mefistofeles	topcat001: yeah, the asahi team claims better efficiency under linux, though. I find that impressive, they are doing impressive work
2024-07-03 04:52:26	topcat001	However, I don't game (ever) so I don't know if the situation is different there. My use case is coding, lots of heavy simulations, and (lots of) movie watching :)
2024-07-03 04:52:42	mefistofeles	topcat001: cool, what kind of simulations?
2024-07-03 04:53:54	topcat001	mostly stochastic partial differential equations, using various techniques
2024-07-03 04:54:16	topcat001	My background is mostly physics and math
2024-07-03 04:54:22	mefistofeles	topcat001: method development for numerical integration?
2024-07-03 04:55:04	topcat001	yes much of it boils down to doing numerical integrals efficiently
2024-07-03 04:55:58	mefistofeles	ah cool, I did that a few years back
2024-07-03 04:56:23	topcat001	nice :)
2024-07-03 04:56:36	mefistofeles	though I wouldn't use a laptop for that :P or any personal computer
2024-07-03 04:57:34	topcat001	just development on work laptops but one gets a sense of the performance
2024-07-03 05:11:44	rikkss	guys, can one combine both init.vim and init.lua
2024-07-03 05:12:01	rikkss	Or will vim only run one of them
2024-07-03 05:16:16	tirnanog	rikkss: "Nvim supports using init.vim or init.lua as the configuration file, but not both at the same time."
2024-07-03 05:16:32	rikkss	a, lulz, me just not googling for 5 sec again
2024-07-03 05:16:41	rikkss	ty
2024-07-03 05:16:51	tirnanog	that's from ":h lua-guide-config", by the way.
2024-07-03 05:17:58	tirnanog	it does go on to point that lua code can be run from init.vim and vice versa though. not quite the same thing but still.
2024-07-03 05:21:03	rikkss	so its better just to do the whole thing in lua generally?
2024-07-03 05:23:25	tirnanog	I don't have a strong opinion about it but mixing inlined vimscript with lua probably isn't ideal from a maintenance perspective, yeah.
2024-07-03 05:24:20	tirnanog	my needs are pretty simple so it makes little difference whether I use either, though lua configs do seem to initialise a little faster.
2024-07-03 05:29:40	rikkss	I just mostly dont want to bother too much setting some plugins up by translating from lua into vim
2024-07-03 05:29:51	rikkss	as their setup guide only includes lua
2024-07-03 05:30:21	tirnanog	I see.
2024-07-03 06:17:47	Root-Atlas	testing
2024-07-03 06:18:28	Root-Atlas	hello?
2024-07-03 06:25:58	mpan	Root-Atlas: hello, how could we help you?
2024-07-03 06:46:09	Root-Atlas	back
2024-07-03 06:46:14	Root-Atlas	I'm on windows 10
2024-07-03 06:49:03	junyx	I'm not familiar with that linux distribution Root-Atlas
2024-07-03 07:07:54	MiraSkies	hey, how does this work? pacman -S java-runtime=8. There is nothing called java-runtime, how is a version being specified and such? :P
2024-07-03 07:08:52	MiraSkies	it seems to be a macro of a type but where is this defined?
2024-07-03 07:12:12	mpan	MiraSkies: hello. java-runtime is a virtual package. That’s a package, that doesn’t really exist, but some other packages provide it (by the means of `provides` array): <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Virtual_packages>.
2024-07-03 07:12:13	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-03 07:12:29	MiraSkies	oh ic, tysm
2024-07-03 07:24:06	MiraSkies	mpan: one more thing tho, i notice a package version is being specified there. is that an actual package version or is it just the name of the package disguising as if it was being specified by version 
2024-07-03 07:24:54	mpan	Actual version.
2024-07-03 07:27:16	mpan	MiraSkies: if you for example do `pacman -Si jre8-openjdk`, you will see that in its `provides` array it has `java-runtime=8`, compared to jre-openjdk, which has `java-runtime=22`.
2024-07-03 07:27:52	mpan	And if that is specified as a dependency, you will see that the dependent package demands e.g. `java-runtime>=8`.
2024-07-03 07:28:03	mpan	(matching both)
2024-07-03 07:28:09	MiraSkies	ic but the =8 bit, that appears to just be the name of the virtual but i may just be misunderstanding how pkgbuilds work as ive not touched on this area before :P
2024-07-03 07:30:34	MiraSkies	when i meant actual package version i meant if its actually looking up the version in the pkgbuild and not just the virtual name. i should have been clearer haha :)
2024-07-03 07:45:38	mpan	MiraSkies: the `provides` array always uses a specific, single version set. Dependencies may specify relational operators, like >=. In either case the comparison is done as if that was an actual version number. It’s not a package name. In fact it can’t be, as package name syntax disallows ‘=’.
2024-07-03 07:47:28	MiraSkies	mpan: oh, i didnt know that. where can i learn more about this? i didnt know relational operaters existed :P for example I cant pacman -S firefox:version
2024-07-03 07:49:07	ponies	unfortunately as soon as you sync your mirrors that prior package is unavailable, hence that wouldn't work 
2024-07-03 07:50:37	ponies	MiraSkies: you could install the previous version of that package if you have used it before and it still exists in your /var/cache/pacman/pkg/ folder with the pacman -U command
2024-07-03 07:50:48	MiraSkies	ponies: im talking about the current version in the mirrors tho  
2024-07-03 07:50:57	MiraSkies	why can i pacman -S firefox:[whatever current version is]
2024-07-03 07:51:01	MiraSkies	cant*
2024-07-03 07:51:13	rcf	There doesn't *have* to be a verson. 
2024-07-03 07:51:29	rcf	If you leave it out, it just assumes the latest is what you want. 
2024-07-03 07:52:17	rcf	The latest available, rather (which is why partial updates are bad)
2024-07-03 07:52:25	MiraSkies	oh wait I can specify a version with =, oops
2024-07-03 07:54:26	mpan	MiraSkies: Arch doesn’t support multiple version. You can only install the most recent version, as rcf said with normal pacman invocation.
2024-07-03 07:54:30	ponies	the purpose of pacman is to sync your packages with the ones provided on the mirror. Having a different version of a pkg will trigger an error, installation will stop 
2024-07-03 07:54:38	mpan	MiraSkies: as for more:
2024-07-03 07:54:41	mpan	!aw PKGBUILD
2024-07-03 07:54:42	phrik	mpan: PKGBUILD - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PKGBUILD
2024-07-03 07:55:30	mpan	MiraSkies: the purpose of relational operators is to specify dependencies and constrain installation, so it can’t continue until the dependencies are satisfied. Not to specify an arbitrary version to install.
2024-07-03 07:57:31	mpan	E.g. there are packages, which come in pairs (or larger groups) and must be in exactly the same version. They will have a otherpkg=version specified as a dep to prevent installation if — for whatever reasons (e.g. mirror not syncing atomically, partial upgrades) — they are not available at the same version.
2024-07-03 07:59:26	MiraSkies	ohhh ic, also is there mulitple versions of some packages? for example package-1.0 and package-1.1
2024-07-03 07:59:41	rcf	Multiple major versions, yes. 
2024-07-03 07:59:47	ponies	imagine if you could pacman -S linux=2.6 ... i mean you may as well throw your laptop out the window 
2024-07-03 07:59:48	rcf	See gtk and qt for the most common examples. 
2024-07-03 08:00:12	mpan	Yes, but then they are literally separate, independent packages, which just have version name in their name.
2024-07-03 08:00:13	ponies	MiraSkies: there is ONE and only ONE version of any package available at any one time
2024-07-03 08:00:18	rcf	Minor versions? No. 
2024-07-03 08:00:23	mpan	jdk* packages are a good example of that.
2024-07-03 08:00:50	mpan	lua is too, for some time also python was.
2024-07-03 08:01:02	mpan	openssl and openssl-1.1 also
2024-07-03 08:01:26	mpan	But note that each of them is completely independent package. Not “different version” in what pacman sees as versions.
2024-07-03 08:01:47	rcf	So your original assumption that they're just names pretending to be versions is valid there. 
2024-07-03 08:02:05	mpan	For when they are. Not for =.
2024-07-03 08:02:12	mpan	(the original was about =)
2024-07-03 08:03:05	rcf	Except they can provide separate versions of the same virtual package. Isn't software fun? 
2024-07-03 08:08:18	MiraSkies	haha ic, but with the java thing, java-runtime=8, with the jre8-openjdk pkgbuild, the pkgver isnt just 8, its combined with other stuff. but it was mentioned u can have = in a name. so how is this working?
2024-07-03 08:08:32	MiraSkies	s/can/cant
2024-07-03 08:08:39	mpan	MiraSkies: `provides` array specifies that, not package version.
2024-07-03 08:08:55	mpan	The package could be named anything and have any version.
2024-07-03 08:10:54	MiraSkies	`provides` array specifies what exactly?
2024-07-03 08:11:18	mpan	What the package provides. E.g. the virtual package.
2024-07-03 08:11:19	MiraSkies	im getting a lil confused by the wiki here as it says a version number should be included yet in this example that isnt a real version number
2024-07-03 08:11:19	ponies	 MiraSkies: you gotta read the wiki :) 
2024-07-03 08:11:35	ponies	it's very helpful. i check this page a bit too 
2024-07-03 08:13:14	ponies	MiraSkies: version number should be the same as the software version. Simply: whatever the developer says it is
2024-07-03 08:14:00	MiraSkies	the example it gives on the wiki is `provides=('qt=3.3.8')` here the version number is a real thing. but java-runtime=8, the 8 isnt a real version number since the real version number contains the major, minor and updatever combined together. this is the bit which is confused me :p
2024-07-03 08:14:30	mpan	MiraSkies: it’s as a real version number as any other version number.
2024-07-03 08:14:38	mpan	8 = 8.0 = 8.0.0 = 8.0.0.0 = …
2024-07-03 08:14:45	astralc	version numbers are not semver
2024-07-03 08:15:41	mpan	And since this is a virtual package, it doesn’t have to follow any particular versioning number. It’s meant to help satisfy dependencies. Dependencies need any JRE8. Period. 
2024-07-03 08:16:18	MiraSkies	ohhhh that makes more sense
2024-07-03 08:16:57	MiraSkies	i get it now, ty :)
2024-07-03 08:40:41	ecraven	I'm trying to package a tool that installs /bin/foo, but doesn't actually *create* /bin. If I create it myself in package(), it seems the directory /bin is added to the package, and then conflicts. How do I do this correctly?
2024-07-03 08:41:18	BrainDamage	install to /usr/bin, not /bin
2024-07-03 08:42:01	BrainDamage	/bin in arch is a symlink to /usr/bin
2024-07-03 08:42:08	ecraven	thanks :D
2024-07-03 08:42:38	BrainDamage	if you tried to create a dir in the package, it wouldn't know how to deal the conflict of one being a package and the other being a symlink
2024-07-03 08:42:55	BrainDamage	err, one being a dir*
2024-07-03 08:43:01	ecraven	should have been obvious, sorry for the noise :-/
2024-07-03 08:54:20	gromit	ecraven: also see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_package_guidelines#Directories
2024-07-03 08:54:21	phrik	Title: Arch package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-03 08:58:33	ecraven	how do I get obsolete packages removed from AUR entirely?
2024-07-03 09:04:29	dviola	question about: https://rfc.archlinux.page/0032-arch-linux-ports/ -- let's say someone works on a x86_64_v3 port and is able to pull it off, what is the plan for them to contribute back their work? do packages or PKGBUILD(s) have to be submitted somewhere and approved? if I understand correctly, archlinux still needs some infrastructure work for different ports, right?
2024-07-03 09:04:30	phrik	Title: 0032 Arch Linux Ports | Arch Linux RFCs (at rfc.archlinux.page)
2024-07-03 09:06:06	gromit	ecraven: you file a deletion request
2024-07-03 09:06:45	gromit	dviola: in order to start a port see the section in the RFC: https://rfc.archlinux.page/0032-arch-linux-ports/#introducing-a-new-port
2024-07-03 09:06:46	phrik	Title: 0032 Arch Linux Ports | Arch Linux RFCs (at rfc.archlinux.page)
2024-07-03 09:07:08	rcf	ecraven: you'd have to define 'obsolete' to be sure. 
2024-07-03 09:07:30	ecraven	rcf: it pulls from an old svn repo, not the new git one. I've created a foo-git pkgbuild to fix this ;)
2024-07-03 09:07:39	ecraven	(and it's called foo-svn, so it can't just be reused)
2024-07-03 09:07:45	gromit	It will be voted on and the infra work will need to be done once the first port is forming 
2024-07-03 09:07:52	rcf	ecraven: oh, so it's yours? 
2024-07-03 09:08:09	ecraven	the new one is, the old one isn't. it's better if the maintainers send that request? then I'll write them an email
2024-07-03 09:09:40	rcf	Contact the maintainer before filing a request. 
2024-07-03 09:09:54	dviola	gromit: I see, thanks
2024-07-03 09:10:15	ecraven	rcf: thanks, will do!
2024-07-03 09:10:16	gromit	dviola: are you interested in helping out with this? 😏
2024-07-03 09:10:59	dviola	gromit: pretty much, yes
2024-07-03 09:11:53	gromit	Cool! I figure a few people would be, so once the time comes somebody will send out a mail 
2024-07-03 09:12:06	rcf	ecraven: they might agree the new source should be used and the package should be deleted and renamed. They might have some good reason for using the svn somehow. Cooperation speeds things up substantially.  If they're MIA for two weeks or so, you file a request. 
2024-07-03 09:12:20	dviola	gromit: cool
2024-07-03 09:13:39	gromit	dviola: we recently have gotten someone to the team who knows their way with the x86_64_v* stuff, so maybe someone will start out soon
2024-07-03 09:13:48	rcf	\o/
2024-07-03 09:13:57	dviola	gromit: awesome
2024-07-03 09:15:23	rcf	If only substantial gains had been seen before i686 was discontinued....
2024-07-03 09:16:04	dviola	I still remember how to do LFS builds but I have no idea how to start with something like a port, I think it would be similar right? just using the arch toolset rather than doing manually
2024-07-03 09:20:24	dviola	it's been 20 years ago, not sure I even remember that
2024-07-03 09:23:31	rcf	dviola: it's nowhere near *that* bad, because you're not really targeting a different ABI so far as the more modern processor you're targeting is concerned. You're just doing things that would raise SIGILL on older systems. 
2024-07-03 09:25:49	dviola	makes sense
2024-07-03 09:27:28	rcf	So you don't need something like a cross-compiler to start with. You just tweak the compile flags so that each package optimizes with respect to the hardware you're targeting. You'll need manual tweaking only up until you can build a clean base-devel chroot, and then you're golden. 
2024-07-03 09:29:51	jmcantrell	I'm trying to repurpose a flash drive that was previously luks encrypted. I no longer want to use encryption. I created a new partition table and recreated the partition and formatted it, but when I try to mount it, udisks still sees it as crypto_LUKS. What am I doing wrong?
2024-07-03 09:30:05	dviola	rcf: sounds like some work, but not difficult
2024-07-03 09:31:10	rcf	jmcantrell: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Drive_preparation#Wipe_LUKS_header
2024-07-03 09:31:11	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Drive preparation - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-03 09:31:28	jmcantrell	rcf: thanks
2024-07-03 09:31:30	rcf	Obviously you're not preparing for more encryption, but that will wipe out any bits that might identify it as being encrypted. 
2024-07-03 09:34:31	jmcantrell	exactly what i needed
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2024-07-03 15:04:47	virtualsid	just a mild curiosity - is zfs not in the regular repos (it is in AUR) for a reason other than 'not popular enough' - if anyone here knows?
2024-07-03 15:05:46	Foxboron	virtualsid: zfs is not upstream
2024-07-03 15:05:50	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-07-03 15:06:17	virtualsid	Foxboron: sorry, I'm not sure I'm parsing that right
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2024-07-03 15:07:24	virtualsid	What do you mean by 'upstream'. Foxboron?
2024-07-03 15:07:31	Foxboron	virtualsid: It's not in the kernel tree
2024-07-03 15:07:33	BrainDamage	zfs is not part of the linux kernel, it's maintained by third parties, and it's a nightmare because it often lags behind the kernel itself
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2024-07-03 15:08:08	virtualsid	ohhh, kernel. I was thinking zfs's own source as 'upstream', hence my confusion :)
2024-07-03 15:08:10	BrainDamage	if arch would adopt it as official package, it'd have to be yet another kernel, or it'd have to hold back the official one
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2024-07-03 15:08:21	virtualsid	BrainDamage: got it - thanks.
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2024-07-03 15:08:37	Foxboron	BrainDamage: or zfs would just actively pin the supported kernel version preventing system upgrades from happening
2024-07-03 15:08:41	virtualsid	I'll give btrfs a go. been meaning to try it.
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2024-07-03 15:10:05	ishitatsuyuki	zfs is a pain in the ass but it's better than those btrfs corruption I've had before :3
2024-07-03 15:11:40	virtualsid	I've been using it for a few years as a very much non power user on a server, and I've been liking it.
2024-07-03 15:11:44	MacGyver	Couldn't it be a dkms module?
2024-07-03 15:11:47	virtualsid	(but that's a debian server)
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2024-07-03 15:12:12	MacGyver	I thought the reason it's in AUR was primarily licensing issues w.r.t. distribution.
2024-07-03 15:12:19	Foxboron	MacGyver: dkms will fail to build once the kernel updates to something unsupported
2024-07-03 15:12:41	Foxboron	and you really need to question your priorities if your root fs is a dkms module
2024-07-03 15:13:05	virtualsid	MacGyver: I /think/ that's a Debian thing? Does Arch do the same? I always forget the details around this
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2024-07-03 15:13:17	virtualsid	bloody licenses:P
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2024-07-03 15:13:59	Foxboron	MacGyver: it can be distributed as a dkms module without licensing issues. But you need to figure out how you will handle the kernel here
2024-07-03 15:14:07	Foxboron	This works on Debian because they have releases. Arch is rolling
2024-07-03 15:14:10	MacGyver	virtualsid: Arch adheres to upstream licensing.
2024-07-03 15:14:27	MacGyver	virtualsid: So yes, *if* that issue exists, it very much *is* an "arch thing".
2024-07-03 15:14:37	Foxboron	(Debian is more strict than Arch)
2024-07-03 15:14:44	MacGyver	virtualsid: But I may be misremembering about whether the issue exists for zfs.
2024-07-03 15:14:46	⚡ 	virtualsid mutters 'bloody licenses' again.
2024-07-03 15:14:49	grym	debian has some odd ideas
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2024-07-03 15:15:37	grym	see: gfdl
2024-07-03 15:15:48	virtualsid	okay, different topic. guess this isn't really arch specific, but seems to be related to the above topic :P for a NON boot disk, create a partition for btrfs, or just mkfs.btrfs /dev/myssd?
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2024-07-03 15:16:26	BrainDamage	create a partition
2024-07-03 15:16:36	BrainDamage	there's very little advantage to whole-disk btrfs
2024-07-03 15:16:46	virtualsid	not like zfs then, got it.
2024-07-03 15:17:23	BrainDamage	the penalty for a partition scheme is small, and if you change your mind, you cannot retroactively add it easily
2024-07-03 15:17:38	virtualsid	yikes - from the arch wiki: "The RAID 5 and RAID 6 modes of Btrfs are fatally flawed"
2024-07-03 15:18:32	virtualsid	lucky I'm not going to use RAID at all? :P
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2024-07-03 15:22:03	MacGyver	Indeed, you're not.
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2024-07-03 15:30:13	Betal	virtualsid: zfs control partition tables? why not creating partitions for zfs?
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2024-07-03 15:31:21	jelle	RAID 1 is fine
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2024-07-03 15:32:21	virtualsid	Betal: I'm no expert, but this is just how it is. It's designed to manage the entire disk.
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2024-07-03 15:35:28	BrainDamage	I think you're confusing can with should
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2024-07-03 15:37:00	virtualsid	Who said can to what?
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2024-07-03 15:38:23	BrainDamage	both btrfs and zfs have partition-like features, but neither should be used without partitions
2024-07-03 15:38:30	BrainDamage	even if they can
2024-07-03 15:38:42	virtualsid	BrainDamage: umm. where are you getting that, for zfs?
2024-07-03 15:40:48	BrainDamage	I'm not the one making outlandish claims here, why do you think zfs should be used partitionless? what do you gain except maybe few MB or so wasted?
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2024-07-03 15:42:00	virtualsid	It's a best practice with zfs. If you think the developers have it wrong, maybe argue with them?
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2024-07-03 15:42:24	virtualsid	weird argument though.
2024-07-03 15:42:54	virtualsid	I'm really not sure how I made an outlandish claim either.
2024-07-03 15:43:22	BrainDamage	do you have a link to that?
2024-07-03 15:43:45	virtualsid	I do, but it sounds to me like you've never used ZFS?
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2024-07-03 18:25:50	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-07-03 18:25:50	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1455 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1454 regular)
2024-07-03 18:15:25	⚡ 	CarloWood wonders what ZNC is.
2024-07-03 18:15:44	mefistofeles	CarloWood: it's an IRC bouncer 
2024-07-03 18:16:56	CarloWood	k - hope everyone who is using it read https://libera.chat/news/zncpsa
2024-07-03 18:16:57	phrik	Title: PSA: Critical vulnerability in ZNC’s modtcl | Libera Chat (at libera.chat)
2024-07-03 18:20:16	glitsj16	CarloWood: yup, current arch version is at 1.9.0-5, looks like work for the maintainer(s)
2024-07-03 18:25:52	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-07-03 18:26:56	gromit	glitsj16: I just released the update ^_^
2024-07-03 18:27:16	glitsj16	gromit: just saw it :)
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2024-07-03 20:02:39	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-07-03 20:01:45	MrElendig	Edu4rdSHL: version mismatch?
2024-07-03 20:02:39	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-07-03 20:03:17	taylor-series	version mismatch?
2024-07-03 20:03:25	taylor-series	wdym?
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2024-07-03 20:04:47	MrElendig	classic is having the driver in the initcpio but it for some reason not getting rebuilt
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2024-07-03 20:04:52	MrElendig	+a
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2024-07-03 20:05:38	teraflops	there's a hook for that
2024-07-03 20:06:39	taylor-series	@MrElendig: I mean where should I learn about all those things? (linux commands / how the core of a computer works / booting and such. I am not very knowledable in that regard. What did you do?
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2024-07-03 20:21:42	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-07-03 20:21:42	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1450 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1449 regular)
2024-07-03 20:09:23	MrElendig	just use the system
2024-07-03 20:09:34	taylor-series	I have been using arch for a while..
2024-07-03 20:10:31	chikuwasuka	break something about your setup. you'll learn all about the related commands very quickly
2024-07-03 20:10:47	taylor-series	like rm -rf /?
2024-07-03 20:11:40	MrElendig	play in a vm
2024-07-03 20:11:42	taylor-series	Should do that. I don't remember much about partitioning and such. So it's probably a good idea to reinstall arch on some machine.
2024-07-03 20:11:42	gog	can you elaborate on "how the core of a computer works" ?
2024-07-03 20:12:14	gog	like what specifically you're interested in
2024-07-03 20:12:46	MrElendig	gog: they don't, can't even do floating point division correctly!
2024-07-03 20:12:55	taylor-series	Yes sure. I don't know at all what files are important and what routines run in the booting process. What is initramfs, initrcpio or something. No idea. As such, I'm not very familiar with mouting devices either.
2024-07-03 20:13:25	MrElendig	you could read trough the lfs book, though it is a bit dated
2024-07-03 20:13:58	taylor-series	cool, bookmarked it!
2024-07-03 20:14:11	MrElendig	anyway, just using the system and reading up on things when you come across them works fine as a baseline
2024-07-03 20:14:22	gog	well one of those is straightorward: in a lot of linux distributions the kernel is split up into different parts, and some of those parts are necessary to get to a working system. the initramfs carries the parts that are missing and is loaded by the bootloader together with the kernel
2024-07-03 20:14:39	gog	the parts that are not integrated into the kernel*
2024-07-03 20:15:20	taylor-series	Yeah and what was BIOS again?
2024-07-03 20:15:41	espresso	taylor-series: https://linuxjourney.com/ covers a lot related to linux, and wikipedia of course has info and bibliography on how a lot of things work
2024-07-03 20:15:43	phrik	Title: Home | Linux Journey (at linuxjourney.com)
2024-07-03 20:16:02	gog	BIOS is the firmware, it's stored on the motherboard and does the low-level initialization
2024-07-03 20:16:43	taylor-series	@phrik thanks for this!
2024-07-03 20:17:22	taylor-series	right. And why does the FSF care about firmware-blobs? Are the "injected" by GPU manufacturers?
2024-07-03 20:17:28	taylor-series	Sorry.. can't spell the word
2024-07-03 20:17:57	MrElendig	taylor-series: https://0xax.gitbooks.io/linux-insides/content/
2024-07-03 20:17:58	phrik	Title: Introduction · Linux Inside (at 0xax.gitbooks.io)
2024-07-03 20:18:44	taylor-series	asking questions in the IRC seems to be a fruitful experience!
2024-07-03 20:19:39	taylor-series	Anyhow, I gotta go. Bye
2024-07-03 20:19:44	espresso	generally one can choose to use proprietary blobs. the main criticism might be that they are not FOSS with all its benefits (transparency, drive-by patching, etc)
2024-07-03 20:20:58	mefistofeles	MrElendig: oh that's a nice resource
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2024-07-03 20:35:18	jl2	Hi, I'm currently setting up full disk backup via rsync, and I'm wondering what the include/include-from flags do?
2024-07-03 20:35:48	jl2	because if I exclude /usr and include /usr/local, it doesn't do that
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2024-07-03 20:38:07	MrElendig	order matters
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2024-07-03 20:38:51	teraflops	jl2: that's what I do, gathered from the arch wiki https://paste.priet.us/u5t2/
2024-07-03 20:39:53	teraflops	that backup saved my ass a couple of times
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2024-07-03 20:42:14	jl2	teraflops: I'm doing the same, just with files
2024-07-03 20:42:23	jl2	(so include-from)
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2024-07-03 20:42:29	teraflops	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Rsync#As_a_backup_utility
2024-07-03 20:42:30	phrik	Title: rsync - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-07-03 20:43:56	jl2	MrElendig: sadly isn't the order :(
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2024-07-03 20:45:19	espresso	jl2:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Rsync#Full_system_backup is basically what I use, but I add --delete for a mirror
2024-07-03 20:45:20	phrik	Title: rsync - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-07-03 20:49:22	jl2	teraflops and espresso: you guessed where I got the idea from - I just didn't want to waste that much sorting out unneeded files
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2024-07-03 20:51:38	teraflops	from time to time a 30GB movie slips into the backup, no big deal, this is thunderbolt and I have --delete
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2024-07-03 20:53:24	jl2	Ok, found it - I needed to --import=/usr/local --exclude=/usr/* --import=/usr/local
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2024-07-03 20:55:27	flower_	==> ERROR: One or more PGP signatures could not be verified!
2024-07-03 20:55:33	jl2	and for subdirectorys was --import=/boot/efi/ --import=/boot/efi/loader --exclude=/boot/* --exclude=/boot/efi/* [and both the imports from the front]
2024-07-03 20:55:35	flower_	AUR package
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2024-07-03 20:56:12	flower_	 x2goclient-4.1.2.3.tar.gz ... FAILED (unknown public key F4A7678C9C6B0B2B)
2024-07-03 20:56:33	jl2	but I can just write it into files: --include-from=include --exclude-from=exclude --include-from=include
2024-07-03 20:56:35	MrElendig	flower_: wiki -> aur 
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2024-07-03 20:56:50	MrElendig	flower_: it explains why it happens and how to solve it
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2024-07-03 20:57:05	flower_	ok
2024-07-03 20:57:08	flower_	merci
2024-07-03 20:57:36	teraflops	jl2: why so much hassle, I just backup everything :P
2024-07-03 20:57:42	MrElendig	flower_: specifically section 2.3
2024-07-03 20:58:13	teraflops	flower_: pacman has a different keyring than aur packages
2024-07-03 20:58:30	jl2	teraflops: I want to backup everything but system packages and my windows partition which is mounted ro in ~/win
2024-07-03 20:58:42	teraflops	oh windows
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2024-07-03 20:58:51	Edu4rdSHL	"and my windows partition which is mounted"
2024-07-03 20:58:53	Edu4rdSHL	:p
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2024-07-03 20:59:55	jl2	Edu4rdSHL: It's a problem 'cause it's always mounted and has a capacity of 200Gs (90% used)
2024-07-03 20:59:56	teraflops	I only boot windows to play games and no backup
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2024-07-03 21:00:44	Edu4rdSHL	jl2, why do you mount it?
2024-07-03 21:01:03	Edu4rdSHL	It's highly recommended to NOT do it
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2024-07-03 21:01:18	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, I just play on Linux :p
2024-07-03 21:01:26	jl2	Edu4rdSHL: occassionally need to go fetch a file in the downloads folder
2024-07-03 21:01:41	flower_	damn I've no energy for key issues
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2024-07-03 21:02:12	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: when computer warranty ends Ill wipe windows partition
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2024-07-03 21:02:20	flower_	--skippgpcheck
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2024-07-03 21:02:53	teraflops	flower_: hheh, share the exact error
2024-07-03 21:03:03	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, do manufacturers stil do that shit? It has been a very long time since that I build my desktop PCs
2024-07-03 21:03:05	jl2	Edu4rdSHL: lucky you, everspace 2 either hates proton or egpu or whatever, and I actually get gpu-bottlenecked on a res windows can easily handle
2024-07-03 21:03:16	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: sadly, yes
2024-07-03 21:03:59	jl2	teraflops: well lenovo fixed my touchpad - to be fair though I do have dualboot
2024-07-03 21:04:14	teraflops	Ill never ever buy lenovo again
2024-07-03 21:04:14	jl2	(they didn't wipe it - yes!)
2024-07-03 21:04:36	teraflops	very low quality imo
2024-07-03 21:04:46	flower_	there is no key package which imports all keys needed or something?
2024-07-03 21:04:51	flower_	I want the lazy solution
2024-07-03 21:04:58	teraflops	flower_: share the exact error please
2024-07-03 21:05:01	flower_	"lazy" 
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2024-07-03 21:05:17	Edu4rdSHL	jl2, weird, not that I can check really (I dont get bottleneck on a 4090) but that sounds very rare, proton games usually run just as fine as on Windows
2024-07-03 21:05:43	Edu4rdSHL	The major problem that people encounter is because anti-cheats (which is mostly fixed for new games now)
2024-07-03 21:05:58	Edu4rdSHL	flower_, please read the wiki
2024-07-03 21:05:59	⚡ 	flower_ building in progress, won't interrupt
2024-07-03 21:05:59	jl2	flower_: lazy version is just --skippgpcheck :D I use that
2024-07-03 21:06:24	Edu4rdSHL	You don't need a package for keyring for AUR things, it's all about the source code verification
2024-07-03 21:06:29	flower_	jl2: I'm at that, but ideally I want to do things the right way.
2024-07-03 21:06:39	Edu4rdSHL	flower_, so read the wiki
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2024-07-03 21:06:53	flower_	Edu4rdSHL: no energy left
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2024-07-03 21:07:14	espresso	jl2: I understand, and rsync mirror with such an --exclude-from=file that can exclude things like caches or things backed up elsewhere
2024-07-03 21:07:23	teraflops	flower_: gpg --receive-keys thekey usually fixes the issue
2024-07-03 21:07:25	Edu4rdSHL	Then you don't "I want to do things the right way"
2024-07-03 21:07:31	flower_	'they' dragged me in a loophole of aur dependencies
2024-07-03 21:08:05	jl2	flower_: doing it the *right* way isn't the lazy way - you'd go verify that all the gpg keys are of a trustworthy origin and only then import them
2024-07-03 21:08:18	flower_	I know I know I know
2024-07-03 21:08:32	jl2	flower_: If you blindly trust gpg keys then you might as well just skip them
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2024-07-03 21:09:05	teraflops	some would say laziness is the mother of human progress 
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2024-07-03 21:09:54	flower_	https://paste.debian.net/1322224/
2024-07-03 21:09:58	phrik	Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)
2024-07-03 21:10:12	flower_	No lazy person would use arch linux
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2024-07-03 21:10:26	flower_	In fact, I don't believe lazy people exists at all. 
2024-07-03 21:10:31	Edu4rdSHL	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_User_Repository
2024-07-03 21:10:33	phrik	Title: Arch User Repository - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-03 21:10:38	Edu4rdSHL	There you get you answer
2024-07-03 21:10:41	bur	Hello! I've recently installed arch on the PC I have which has GMA 3600 and as far as I understand the only driver I can install is uvesafb. However, while trying to install uvesafb, I get this error: https://paste.debian.net/1322225/
2024-07-03 21:11:18	teraflops	man, that gpu is ancient
2024-07-03 21:11:33	Edu4rdSHL	bur, > Last Updated: 2021-01-02 19:22 
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2024-07-03 21:12:01	Edu4rdSHL	That thing is simply not compatible with new kernels
2024-07-03 21:12:11	flower_	ok fixed
2024-07-03 21:12:12	espresso	flower_, agree, hah
2024-07-03 21:12:16	flower_	the right way
2024-07-03 21:12:27	MrElendig	bur: modesetting should work out of the box
2024-07-03 21:12:47	MrElendig	performance will however be trash
2024-07-03 21:12:49	bur	Oh. Should I downgrade the kernel or is it a bad idea?
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2024-07-03 21:13:02	bur	MrElendig: I wanna try make it run youtube (at all)
2024-07-03 21:13:11	MrElendig	you can forget about that
2024-07-03 21:13:15	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2024-07-03 21:13:18	bur	Thanks :)
2024-07-03 21:13:19	teraflops	heheh
2024-07-03 21:13:37	bur	At least it runs Home Assistant
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2024-07-03 21:14:36	MrElendig	bur: 20 bucks on the used market will get you a box capable of at least 1080p youtube
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2024-07-03 21:15:03	MrElendig	intel 6th gen or similar
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2024-07-03 21:16:43	demonicmaniac1	tbf the issue is simply the gma600 not the age - it's the powervr crapples where intel doesn't have a driver for it
2024-07-03 21:16:46	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-07-03 21:16:47	demonicmaniac1	*3600
2024-07-03 21:17:16	bur	MrElendig: i have 5 gma 3600 boxes which i don't know what to do with lmao
2024-07-03 21:17:17	MrElendig	both, it doesn't have a usable hardware decoder and is too slow to do it in software
2024-07-03 21:17:38	MrElendig	unless you are fine with 480p/720p
2024-07-03 21:17:49	demonicmaniac1	the cpu is powerful enough to decode 1080p but then it will be at full bore
2024-07-03 21:17:55	bur	MrElendig: of course i am fine with 480/720
2024-07-03 21:17:55	demonicmaniac1	and probably only via mpv and not in browser
2024-07-03 21:18:11	bur	demonicmaniac1: i will look into mpv, thanks
2024-07-03 21:18:20	demonicmaniac1	if mpv still offers xv/x11 video output that is
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2024-07-03 21:18:32	MrElendig	I have an old laptop with a way more powerfull igp and it will framedrop 1080p@30
2024-07-03 21:18:37	MrElendig	h264
2024-07-03 21:18:47	MrElendig	cpu/igp
2024-07-03 21:19:31	demonicmaniac1	the main bottleneck is likely the displaying if it's not accelerated in any way and having to simply copy to x11 surface
2024-07-03 21:19:35	Edu4rdSHL	bur, can you lend me that PC to run some IA and rust builds there? :p
2024-07-03 21:19:46	MrElendig	fine for mostly static/simple scenes but there is a high detail/moving scene where the bitrate goes up reasonably, it starts to framedrop pretty badly
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2024-07-03 21:20:09	demonicmaniac1	my pentium M 900mhz still plays 480p fine in software heh
2024-07-03 21:20:26	demonicmaniac1	and my pentium M 2ghz does 720p30 reasonably ok in software
2024-07-03 21:20:32	demonicmaniac1	ass subtitles kill it tho
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2024-07-03 21:22:28	espresso	is anyone else's firefox[-esr] gmpopenh264 plugin crashing regularly? seems not...
2024-07-03 21:22:31	MrElendig	my 1.4ghz pentium m thinkpad struggles really badly with 720p youtube :p
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2024-07-03 21:23:48	demonicmaniac1	oh for sure. my t42p is a 2ghz pentium M that does make quite a difference heh :)
2024-07-03 21:24:03	tirnanog	tpowa: just letting you know that there's a fix for the bash C porting issue in your inbox.
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2024-07-03 21:24:24	tpowa	tirnanog, thx already working on it
2024-07-03 21:24:31	tirnanog	cool.
2024-07-03 21:24:50	tpowa	importing the gentoo patch series
2024-07-03 21:24:50	espresso	*nevermind, it was firejail
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2024-07-03 21:26:04	bur	Edu4rdSHL: sanctions D:
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2024-07-03 21:26:25	bur	I just tried mpv and same problem as on the website, it just freezes on frame 1
2024-07-03 21:27:10	bur	I'm not sure if I need to set some parametrs but just regular mpv youtube link doesnt work
2024-07-03 21:27:10	espresso	(it was my firejail config, rather)
2024-07-03 21:27:28	teraflops	talking about mpv what is the difference using vulkan instead of vaapi, eventualy hdr? https://paste.priet.us/screenshot_2024-07-03-21-26-22.png
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2024-07-03 21:27:57	bur	Thanks everyone for the help!
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2024-07-03 21:29:00	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, how do you get these stats in mpv? :D
2024-07-03 21:29:09	teraflops	press i
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2024-07-03 21:35:57	demonicmaniac1	teraflops: vulkan technically means you don't have to go an extra copy route
2024-07-03 21:36:26	teraflops	ah the -copy thing
2024-07-03 21:36:28	demonicmaniac1	teraflops: vaapi and vo vulkan has to copy the vaapi decoded picture into a vulkan texture to display - vulkan extensions for hwdecode basically cut out that step
2024-07-03 21:37:02	teraflops	very well explained as always demonicmaniac1 tyvm
2024-07-03 21:37:15	demonicmaniac1	o/
2024-07-03 21:37:35	demonicmaniac1	gotta remember to also set x11vk then for the displaying api thingie
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2024-07-03 21:38:04	demonicmaniac1	mpv configs have gotten way too confusing imho with all the abstractions for "gpu" or "gpu-next" and a billion other configs
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2024-07-03 21:39:07	teraflops	yeah https://paste.priet.us/exyo/
2024-07-03 21:40:49	tpowa	tirnanog, new bash is up in testing
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2024-07-03 21:58:11	tirnanog	tpowa: sorry, was away for a short while there. upon getting back, I've seen another message warning me that the "clang" patches are now also material to gcc 14 (they weren't when they were originally created) :( checking that now. it's likely that bash will be marking dup2 as "broken" when it's not.
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2024-07-03 22:11:40	Edu4rdSHL	demonicmaniac1, NVDEC does also avoid the extra copy route, right?
2024-07-03 22:17:02	tirnanog	tpowa: there is a very strange one. the bad news is that "bash-5.2_p15-configure-clang16.patch" is, ineed, just as applicable to gcc 14 now. the erronous test failure can clearly be seen in config.log otherwise. what's funny is that it assumes that dup2 is fine, even though the test fails!
2024-07-03 22:17:51	tirnanog	tpowa: my tentative conclusion is that, right now, the test improperly failing will have no effect but I would suggest applying the patch anyway. I know it sucks when you just bumped it already but it's probably better than not doing it and finding out it causes some UB further down the line.
2024-07-03 22:18:48	tpowa	tirnanog, no problem let's fix it
2024-07-03 22:18:48	tirnanog	tpowa: sorry for not pointing out that initially. I simply didn't know. glossed over it because it was talking about clang.
2024-07-03 22:19:22	tirnanog	tpowa: I really don't know why Chet can't just support the stable branch properly. he keeps putting fixes in devel and nowhere else.
2024-07-03 22:22:18	demonicmaniac1	Edu4rdSHL: i have no idea about nvidia
2024-07-03 22:23:28	tpowa	tirnanog, same thing for me, well I know horrible upstream dealing with grub too :D
2024-07-03 22:23:42	tirnanog	tpowa: ha. yes, so I've heard.
2024-07-03 22:31:57	tpowa	tirnanog, up in testing
2024-07-03 22:32:03	tirnanog	tpowa: excellent.
2024-07-03 22:32:23	tirnanog	will install and use.
2024-07-03 22:33:33	tpowa	tirnanog, thnks for your help
2024-07-03 22:34:15	tirnanog	np. it was someone else did the legwork there and I learned something from it too.
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2024-07-04 08:33:05	gehidore	because python is trash
2024-07-04 08:33:10	⚡ 	gehidore doesn't actually know
2024-07-04 08:33:51	gehidore	looks like jelle packaged it april 2024
2024-07-04 08:38:18	rcf	bloody jelle 
2024-07-04 09:11:01	the_dege	Hi, I'm trying to install this package: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/mp3splt-gtk/
2024-07-04 09:11:03	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - mp3splt-gtk 0.9.2-4 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2024-07-04 09:11:15	the_dege	but one of his dependencies is missing, what can I do?
2024-07-04 09:12:43	mpan	the_dege: which dependency is missing?
2024-07-04 09:13:07	the_dege	libmp3splt, the one marked as virtual
2024-07-04 09:13:52	Auerhuhn	the_dege: it’s still on GitLab, so I figure someone deleted it from Arch? https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/libmp3splt
2024-07-04 09:13:53	phrik	Title: Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / libmp3splt · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-07-04 09:14:22	mpan	the_dege: report this as a bug.
2024-07-04 09:16:02	mpan	Though note that this PKGBUILD was not changed for 3 years. I wouldn’t be surprised if the actual intention wasn’t a complete removal and somebody forgot to remove mp3split-gtk.
2024-07-04 09:18:42	the_dege	How can I report a missing package?
2024-07-04 09:18:48	mpan	the_dege: in the bug tracker.
2024-07-04 09:18:53	mpan	(for that package)
2024-07-04 09:18:59	Auerhuhn	mpan: ah, good call. Seems they only removed mp3splt but forgot mp3splt-gtk
2024-07-04 09:20:30	jelle	why does python-docs even exist :o
2024-07-04 09:20:49	mpan	jelle: dunno, ask the packager.
2024-07-04 09:39:26	rcf	mpan is evil 
2024-07-04 11:08:38	WallShadow	howdy
2024-07-04 11:08:50	phrik	Welcome to #archlinux - How can we assist you?
2024-07-04 11:09:08	WallShadow	just here to chill and see what people are chatting about phrik
2024-07-04 11:09:16	phrik	Definitely true!
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2024-07-04 18:27:26	teraflops	do anyone know how to get rid if the upper right notification every time ibus is loaded? https://paste.priet.us/screenshot_2024-07-04-18-21-12.png it wont even clear itself unless I click on it :(
2024-07-04 18:28:39	teraflops	som kde leftover maybe?
2024-07-04 18:28:47	teraflops	some^
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2024-07-04 19:06:11	TechHermit	Does nobody seed the arch torrents anymore? This month's iso has 0 seeders
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2024-07-04 19:06:58	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-07-04 19:07:17	teraflops	tried with another torrent client?
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2024-07-04 19:07:47	TechHermit	not yet, currently using ktorrent
2024-07-04 19:09:11	teraflops	it downloaded here yusing deluge in 1 minute
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2024-07-04 19:10:21	TechHermit	hmm, Transmision downloaded it instantly
2024-07-04 19:10:23	TechHermit	weird
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2024-07-04 20:13:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-07-04 20:20:00	TechHermit	ah, ty
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2024-07-04 21:10:52	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-07-04 21:01:56	mpan	brjl: I suppose you’d need to use a post transaction hook to record the changes.
2024-07-04 21:02:20	Antiz	brjl: That's there by default no?
2024-07-04 21:03:07	BrainDamage	it's not logged in pacman.log
2024-07-04 21:03:16	BrainDamage	only in stdout
2024-07-04 21:03:34	BrainDamage	if you wanted to save, you'd have to make a wrapper script that'd log  that separately
2024-07-04 21:04:03	Antiz	Oh, I omitted you were looking for that into some logs. My bad
2024-07-04 21:04:57	BrainDamage	and on the same line, verbosepkglist may help
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2024-07-04 21:16:12	brjl	Well. It's ok. It wasn't important
2024-07-04 21:16:14	brjl	Thanks everyone
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2024-07-05 15:16:24	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-07-05 13:12:35	Auerhuhn	l_: do you mean this package? https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/dante/
2024-07-05 13:12:37	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - dante 1.4.3-3 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
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2024-07-05 13:29:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-07-05 13:57:40	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-07-05 14:24:53	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-07-05 14:20:48	l_	iAuerhuhn: I'll try that and see if the utils are included. Thanks.
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2024-07-05 15:16:49	michelesr[m]	When I run "loginctl list-sessions" I now see a new session from my user, without a seat, and of class "manager", is it normal? I couldn't see that since recently?
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2024-07-05 20:15:03	imTyp0	Hello. I'm trying to install Spotify, but when I run the spotify-launcher command, I get an error saying "Exceeded number of retries for download" and some warning messages before that saying "Download has failed: Broken pipe (os error 32)"
2024-07-05 20:15:22	imTyp0	I googled around a bit, but I couldn't find why that happens
2024-07-05 20:16:02	mackilanu	Did you install spotifyd from the official repos or from the aur?
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2024-07-05 20:16:23	imTyp0	official repos I assume. I just did pacman -Syu spotify-launcher
2024-07-05 20:16:29	mackilanu	But it sounds like you might have to update your mirrorlist
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2024-07-05 20:17:14	imTyp0	I'll try that. Would I need to uninstall spotify-launcher, update mirrors, then reinstall?
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2024-07-05 20:18:05	mackilanu	It did not install though right?
2024-07-05 20:18:16	rcf	It did install. 
2024-07-05 20:18:23	imTyp0	well, I have access to the spotify-launcher command, but spotify itself doesn't launch
2024-07-05 20:18:30	rcf	Unless their mirrorlist is truly ancient, it's not the issue. 
2024-07-05 20:18:45	imTyp0	I updated it quite recently, I installed Arch 2 days ago
2024-07-05 20:18:47	rcf	You do have version 0.5.4-1, right? 
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2024-07-05 20:19:01	mackilanu	imTyp0: Then it's definetley not that
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2024-07-05 20:20:03	imTyp0	I don't know how to reply to a message, but rcf, yes that's the version of spotify-launcher I have
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2024-07-05 20:20:45	rcf	You just type someone's name. Most clients will let you tab-complete to make it easier. 
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2024-07-05 20:20:59	imTyp0	Ah I see, thanks.
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2024-07-05 20:21:54	imTyp0	Is the deb file even still available online btw? I've seen people saying that the url on spotify's site is dead
2024-07-05 20:23:12	mackilanu	imTyp0: I initially thought you got the error when trying to install lol, sorry. 
2024-07-05 20:23:23	mackilanu	Sounds possible
2024-07-05 20:23:25	imTyp0	oh all good. Maybe I didn't describe it correctly
2024-07-05 20:24:12	mackilanu	spotify-launcher seem to work for me atleast
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2024-07-05 20:24:30	imTyp0	I saw people online having issues regarding locales, but I don't get any warnings for that
2024-07-05 20:24:40	imTyp0	just that the launcher couldn't fetch the deb file
2024-07-05 20:25:06	rcf	If they're recent reports, it might actually be an upstream spotify issue here. 
2024-07-05 20:25:31	Nyx_Eris	what is your exact issue regarding locales?
2024-07-05 20:26:42	Nyx_Eris	also, spotify is known to be a little buggy on linux
2024-07-05 20:27:14	teraflops	that is why I heard music on the phone, spotify, tidal, apple music, all of them are either capped quality or buggy
2024-07-05 20:27:23	teraflops	heard/hear
2024-07-05 20:28:18	Warepire	imTyp0: Do you get more clues if you run the launcher from the commandline adding -v? (add more -v for even more info, up to 4 times)
2024-07-05 20:28:47	Nyx_Eris	yeah, it's annoying
2024-07-05 20:29:08	imTyp0	Nyx_Eris I don't get any warnings regarding locales when I run spotify-launcher, however when I `pacman -Syu spotify-launcher`, it tells me `warning setlocale: LC_AL cannot change locale (en_CA.UTF-8)`
2024-07-05 20:29:21	imTyp0	I can try adding verbose quickly to check
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2024-07-05 20:29:57	imTyp0	Lots of debug, trace and info messages, a few warn ones, where it says "download has failed"
2024-07-05 20:30:30	Warepire	There's also --print-deb-url apprently, to print the uri it'll try to download from
2024-07-05 20:31:07	imTyp0	oh neat
2024-07-05 20:31:11	imTyp0	when doing that I could download it manually
2024-07-05 20:31:18	imTyp0	and I think there's a switch to feed it a local deb
2024-07-05 20:31:48	imTyp0	Error: failed to read global header. Fun
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2024-07-05 20:32:59	Warepire	Could you paste the output of the verbose run?
2024-07-05 20:33:01	Warepire	!paste
2024-07-05 20:33:02	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-07-05 20:33:19	shoe	imTyp0: what’s the output when you do echo $LANG
2024-07-05 20:33:32	imTyp0	shoe en_CA.UTF-8
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2024-07-05 20:33:53	imTyp0	Warepire I could if you give me a second to get used to those new paste sites
2024-07-05 20:34:04	shoe	i found something on github, imTyp0
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2024-07-05 20:34:35	shoe	try “export LC_ALL=en_CA.UTF-8”
2024-07-05 20:34:42	shoe	and then try to run spotify-launcher
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2024-07-05 20:35:48	imTyp0	shoe still fails
2024-07-05 20:36:16	shoe	what’s the output of “cat /etc/locale.conf”? imTyp0
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2024-07-05 20:36:28	imTyp0	shoe LANG=en_CA.UTF-8
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2024-07-05 20:36:33	shoe	huh
2024-07-05 20:36:41	imTyp0	is something wrong
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2024-07-05 20:36:55	shoe	imTyp0: https://bpa.st/
2024-07-05 20:36:55	phrik	Title: Create new paste (at bpa.st)
2024-07-05 20:36:58	shoe	for pastes
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2024-07-05 20:37:15	imTyp0	Also Warepire I'm actively trying to get the output of the verbose command to a file but > isn't working and neither is tee. It's odd
2024-07-05 20:37:17	shoe	imTyp0: no seems to be configured fine. i assumed there was an issue with your locale
2024-07-05 20:38:01	Warepire	imTyp0: It might be printing to stderr, try 2>&1 | tee
2024-07-05 20:38:33	imTyp0	Well I did the brute force thing and just held down mouse 1 and scrolled all the way up lol. Here it is: https://paste.rs/k9V4u.txt
2024-07-05 20:38:34	phrik	Title: Source Code | k9V4u | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
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2024-07-05 20:39:39	shoe	imTyp0: one more thing, what’s the output of “locale -a”?
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2024-07-05 20:39:58	imTyp0	`````
2024-07-05 20:40:02	imTyp0	woops
2024-07-05 20:40:15	imTyp0	it's more than 3 lines so give me a second
2024-07-05 20:40:34	teraflops	well, wget http://repository.spotify.com/pool/non-free/s/spotify-client/spotify-client_1.2.40.599.g606b7f29_amd64.deb works here
2024-07-05 20:40:49	imTyp0	shoe https://paste.rs/SVsx2.txt
2024-07-05 20:40:50	phrik	Title: Source Code | SVsx2 | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
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2024-07-05 20:41:13	imTyp0	teraflops I did manage to manually download the deb file, but when I feed it to spotify-launcher using --deb it errors out
2024-07-05 20:41:39	shoe	imTyp0: did you run locale-gen after uncommenting en_CA.UTF-8 in /etc/locale.gen?
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2024-07-05 20:42:22	shoe	seems like i was right, your locale isn’t configured correctly
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2024-07-05 20:42:58	imTyp0	I regenerated them, and apparently en_CA wasn't uncommented for some reason
2024-07-05 20:43:11	shoe	try spotify now
2024-07-05 20:43:12	imTyp0	Aha
2024-07-05 20:43:17	imTyp0	so it was indeed a locale thing
2024-07-05 20:43:30	imTyp0	Much appreciated all :)
2024-07-05 20:43:55	shoe	imTyp0: have fun and stream 100 gecs
2024-07-05 20:44:15	imTyp0	stream 100 gecs?
2024-07-05 20:44:35	shoe	imTyp0: https://open.spotify.com/track/61bwFjzXGG1x2aZsANdLyl?si=Di489Z_ERKSxIzYUqtIf_A
2024-07-05 20:44:36	phrik	Title: money machine - song and lyrics by 100 gecs, Laura Les, Dylan Brady | Spotify (at open.spotify.com)
2024-07-05 20:44:38	shoe	kidding, mostly
2024-07-05 20:45:33	imTyp0	oh that song bahaha
2024-07-05 20:46:05	imTyp0	Not exactly my taste but at least now I can enjoy some tunes. Thanks again!
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2024-07-05 20:52:29	Warepire	shoe, had to look that up, and now I was reminded of Leslie Hall. Now I have that song stuck in my head again.
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2024-07-05 22:30:36	rcf	shoe: you son of a bitch 
2024-07-05 22:30:53	shoe	rcf: what 
2024-07-05 22:31:27	rcf	Well, piss-baby would be the better choice. 
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2024-07-05 22:31:27	rcf	shoe: you got that song stuck in my head. 
2024-07-05 22:31:27	shoe	you talk a lot of big game for someone with such a small truck rcf 
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2024-07-05 22:45:15	raeve_maeve	hey, can someone help me with installing arch?
2024-07-05 22:45:26	raeve_maeve	having an issue in mount
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2024-07-06 14:39:50	Guest1150	Hi! I'm bootend into the Arch ISO from a USB drive currently. I've installed Arch Linux + rEFInd on my system just now. When I try to boot, I get stuck at the boot screen after the vconsole is prepared with the following message "A start job is running for /dev/disk/by-uuid/<UUID-OF-ROOT-PARTITION> ...". I was not able to find a clear path to diagnose the issue and solve it on Google, and I hope
2024-07-06 14:39:50	Guest1150	to 
2024-07-06 14:39:56	Guest1150	get some help with the issue over here. I am using two NVME SSDs, with Windows installed on /dev/nvme1n1. The ESP is /dev/nvme1n1p1 (Windows created, 100MB), I have a separate /boot at /dev/nvme0n1p1 (BTRFS). My root is encrypted, and located at /dev/nvme0n1p2. I believe that I have set things up correctly as per the wiki and I have extensive notes. However, I must have made a mistake.
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2024-07-06 14:40:35	batbrat	Sorry about that. I had identified on nickserv, but forgot to identify. batbrat = Guest1150
2024-07-06 14:40:48	batbrat	*set my nick.
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2024-07-06 14:41:22	Namarrgon	Does the initramfs ask for the luks passphrase?
2024-07-06 14:41:59	batbrat	I'm using a UKI, and the luks passphrase is currently set to empty because I plan to use the TPM to unlock the device eventually.
2024-07-06 14:42:06	MacGyver	Considering that description, you most likely made a mistake in setting up the chain to unlock the root partition.
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2024-07-06 14:42:28	Namarrgon	Set a passphrase, even if it's a simple one.
2024-07-06 14:42:35	batbrat	@Namarrgon - More specifically, I don't get asked for the passphrase.
2024-07-06 14:42:50	Namarrgon	Did you add the required mkinitcpio hooks?
2024-07-06 14:43:01	batbrat	@MacGuyver, that sounds likely. I'll go over the chain once more and check it out.
2024-07-06 14:43:21	MacGyver	batbrat: Like Namarrgon says, you need the mkinitcpio hooks for it in the right place in the HOOKS array.
2024-07-06 14:43:40	MacGyver	But you also likely need to add it to the kernel commandline being generated.
2024-07-06 14:43:47	Namarrgon	Do you really have a separate /boot on /dev/nvme1n1p1 that is also btrfs?
2024-07-06 14:44:34	batbrat	No, my /boot is on /dev/nvme0n1p1, not on nvme1n1p1. ESP is on /dev/nvme1n1p1.
2024-07-06 14:44:47	Namarrgon	Why did you split out /boot?
2024-07-06 14:45:12	batbrat	Sorry for the delayed responses. I'm trying to cryptsetup open to check mkinitcpio.conf and the kernel parameters. Give me a moment, and I'll share my findings. 
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2024-07-06 14:45:47	batbrat	@Namarrgon, I don't want to expand the Windows created ESP. This allows me to store kernels and realted stuff   separately.
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2024-07-06 14:48:16	batbrat	mkinitcpio hooks - base systemd autodetect microcode modconf kms keyboard sd-vconsole block sd-encrypt filesystems
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2024-07-06 14:51:19	Namidairo	I think gparted chokes on trying to resize fat32 partitions <256mb anyway
2024-07-06 14:51:44	Namarrgon	batbrat: What about the kernel parameters?
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2024-07-06 14:52:38	batbrat	I also checked my files under /mnt/etc/cmdline.d. I've set up resume to be "resume=UUID=<UUID-OF-ROOT>" and "root=UUID=<UUID-OF-ROOT> rw" and "rd.luks.name=<UUID-OF-ROOT>=root" and "rd.luks.options=<UUID-OF-ROOT>=timeout=10s,password-ech=no,tries=1"
2024-07-06 14:53:00	batbrat	@Namidairo, thanks for telling me that - I didn't know. I'm glad I didn't try to resize it.
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2024-07-06 14:53:53	Namarrgon	batbrat: Run lsinitcpio -a on the UKI and post the output.
2024-07-06 14:53:57	Namidairo	you'd have had to shrink the adjacent partition anyway, which can be time consuming at the best of times
2024-07-06 14:54:59	batbrat	I've fixed the typo "password-ech=no" -> "password-echo=no" now. @Namarrgon I'll try lsinitcpio -a and come back here. Unfortunately, I don't know how to copy the output since I'm on the tty right now (v console 1 -> irssi, v console 2 -> commands). Could you point me in the right direction.
2024-07-06 14:55:16	Namarrgon	!0x0
2024-07-06 14:55:17	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-07-06 14:55:23	Namarrgon	pipe the output into curl
2024-07-06 14:55:27	batbrat	@Namidairo, yes, I didn't want to mess with shrinking the other partition at all.
2024-07-06 14:55:40	batbrat	Thanks for that command Namarrgon. I'll share the link. This is such a nifty service
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2024-07-06 14:57:29	batbrat	https://0x0.st/XBS1.txt
2024-07-06 14:58:22	Namarrgon	You userd the same UUID for all options.
2024-07-06 14:58:25	Namarrgon	*used
2024-07-06 14:58:29	batbrat	@Namarrgon, once you take a look at that file, I'll make any corrections you suggest. I've also made a change already, so I plan to run mkinitcpio -P after you confirm. Thanks
2024-07-06 14:59:05	Namarrgon	the luks options have to point at the UUID of the luks _container_, not at the root filesystem's UUID
2024-07-06 14:59:11	batbrat	@Namarrgon, yes, I used the same UUID for all options since I plan to use a swapfile on /root. Plus, the UUID for the options setting should match the one in rd.luks.name, iirc.
2024-07-06 14:59:49	Namarrgon	The /-fs is not available before you unlocked the luks container.
2024-07-06 15:00:03	batbrat	@Namarrgon, that might be the error! I was sure I took the UUID of the open mapper, but I must have made a mistake. Can you tell me how to get the filesystem UUID (I'll check my notes to see if I did the same thing)?
2024-07-06 15:00:21	Namarrgon	"blkid"
2024-07-06 15:00:38	batbrat	@Namarrgon, I think you've found it. My notes show that I have not run blkid. Let me check and get back to you in just a moment. 
2024-07-06 15:01:27	Namarrgon	Are they your notes or someone else's notes?
2024-07-06 15:01:35	batbrat	I found the problem from my notes. I did run blkid, but I used UUID instead of UUID_SUB from the command output. 
2024-07-06 15:01:56	batbrat	@Namarrgon, they are my notes. I noted down everything I did during the install + the reason, and some warnings.
2024-07-06 15:02:18	Namarrgon	What is UUID_SUB?
2024-07-06 15:02:36	batbrat	Please wait. I'll post another link with the blkid output
2024-07-06 15:03:04	batbrat	https://0x0.st/XBS2.txt
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2024-07-06 15:03:50	Namarrgon	There is no UUID_SUB for luks.
2024-07-06 15:03:53	batbrat	Can you take a look at this and let me know if I am on the right track? I'm really glad you found the root cause - really grateful! Hopefully now we'll be able to identify the UUID and fix it.
2024-07-06 15:04:43	batbrat	Also, my nvme0 and nvme1 have been swapped around compared to the messages I sent earlier. The windows is on nvme0 now, and the linux on nvme1. Sorry if that caused any confusion.
2024-07-06 15:05:35	batbrat	@Namarrgon, UUID_SUB is there for /dev/mapper/root, which is my luks partition formatted with BTRFS again. I'm pretty certain it is there in the blkid output. Did I make a mistake again?
2024-07-06 15:06:13	Namarrgon	That is not the LUKS container, that is the already mapped filesystem that is inside the LUKS container.
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2024-07-06 15:07:02	Namarrgon	UUID_SUB is the UUID of a particular subvolume, which does not apply to LUKS.
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2024-07-06 15:08:49	batbrat	Oh! Thanks for pointing that out. So my luks container must be /dev/nvme1n1p2 (formerly /dev/nvme0n1p2), correct?
2024-07-06 15:09:09	batbrat	And thanks for teaching me about the subvolume UUID as well. I really appreciate it. I'm putting that in my notes.
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2024-07-06 15:32:16	batbrat	@Namrrgon, I was looking at the Arch Wiki, and it tells me that root should be set to the UUID of the decrypted root filesystem. This means that I should use the UUID entry for /dev/mapper/root from the blkid file, correct? 
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2024-07-06 15:41:10	Namarrgon	batbrat: You need to set the root= option to the root-filesystem's UUID
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2024-07-06 15:41:31	batbrat	Thanks @Namarrgon
2024-07-06 15:41:40	mefistofeles	!twitter
2024-07-06 15:41:40	phrik	IRC is not Twitter – don't use "@name" to address people, use "name," or "name:" instead.
2024-07-06 15:41:41	Namarrgon	and the luks options have to be set to the LUKS container's UUID
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2024-07-06 15:42:07	⚡ 	mefistofeles being super helpful
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2024-07-06 15:52:07	madprops	a certain video game i run through proton (i think) turns off my second monitor, and the windows move to the other monitor, which is a mess. Is there some x11 workaroudn I could do to prevent that?
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2024-07-06 15:52:39	ieatdirt	are you using nvidia? i have a similar-ish problem on my other computer with an nvidia gpu
2024-07-06 15:52:42	batbrat	Namarrgon: Thank you for pointing that out. I've made the corrections now. Thank you MacGyver, Namidairo for your assitance. @mefistofeles, I'll keep it in mind from here on. I'll be back after trying a reboot. Thank you everyone
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2024-07-06 15:52:52	madprops	im using amd
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2024-07-06 15:53:11	ieatdirt	absolutely no idea then, and i never got my problem fixed on nvidia
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2024-07-06 15:54:44	madprops	something about that game is messed up since I see several issue complains about monitor stuff
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2024-07-06 15:55:37	Varro	The current nvidia version is 555.58.02-1, but how do I get it?
2024-07-06 15:56:18	Varro	`pacman -Q nvidia` says `nvidia 555.58-2`, is this the same?
2024-07-06 15:56:46	Varro	Because I've been trying to update since yesterday and it keeps not showing 555.58.02
2024-07-06 15:58:52	MrElendig	!give Varro mirrorstatus
2024-07-06 15:58:52	phrik	Varro: Check the status of the mirrors here: https://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/status/
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2024-07-06 16:00:06	MrElendig	yours is probably not updated
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2024-07-06 16:01:48	Varro	Thanks god - I have so many mirrors, but if I am reading it right, in that page, many of the mirrors at the top are delayed by 70-80 hours?!!
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2024-07-06 16:02:15	Varro	μ Delay (hh:mm) reads 72:29, 81:40 etc.
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2024-07-06 16:04:08	Varro	Here's what I see: https://imgur.com/a/hQHOsvb
2024-07-06 16:04:08	phrik	Title: pacman mirrors delayed by 70+ hours?? - Album on Imgur (at imgur.com)
2024-07-06 16:04:11	Varro	Is this normal?
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2024-07-06 16:06:13	gromit	Varro: are these the mirrors you are using? 
2024-07-06 16:06:46	Varro	God. I am checking one by one, they seem to be on that list with long delay
2024-07-06 16:07:15	Varro	gromit: No, those are the top (as in by order at the top) mirros in https://archlinux.org/mirrors/status/
2024-07-06 16:07:29	Varro	Ohh
2024-07-06 16:07:38	Varro	I'm dumb, those are Out of Sync Mirrors as labeled.
2024-07-06 16:07:43	Varro	Let me update my mirrorlist
2024-07-06 16:07:52	Varro	Because I found my top mirrors on the Out of Sync list
2024-07-06 16:07:53	Varro	thanks
2024-07-06 16:08:29	MrElendig	!mirrorlist
2024-07-06 16:08:30	phrik	Mirrorlist generator: http://www.archlinux.org/mirrorlist/
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2024-07-06 16:09:06	Varro	Wow, nice page
2024-07-06 16:09:07	teraflops	what I do: rate-mirrors --allow-root --protocol https arch | sudo tee /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
2024-07-06 16:09:24	Varro	I use the curl ... | rankmirrors script
2024-07-06 16:09:59	gromit	Varro: also there is https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Reflector
2024-07-06 16:10:00	phrik	Title: Reflector - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-06 16:10:02	ieatdirt	i just use reflector 
2024-07-06 16:10:28	gromit	I just use the default mirrorlist and choose from a local mirror and the geo mirror (+ an internal one)
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2024-07-06 16:11:47	Varro	that fixed it
2024-07-06 16:12:06	Varro	Never had my mirror list go out of sync by that much before
2024-07-06 16:12:11	MrElendig	remember, only the first mirror in your mirrorlist really matters
2024-07-06 16:12:21	Varro	Oh got it
2024-07-06 16:12:31	MrElendig	since that is where pacman will get the package list from, assuming it doesn't 404's or similar
2024-07-06 16:12:38	Varro	Hmm. Maybe I should set up a script to update the mirrorlist every week or every night
2024-07-06 16:12:57	MrElendig	I just pick 2-3 and then leave it alone until it breaks
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2024-07-06 16:12:59	gromit	Varro: no thats too often
2024-07-06 16:13:12	MrElendig	which typically happens once every 5 years or so
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2024-07-06 16:14:11	Varro	What's a recommended pastebin where I can paste a few lines?
2024-07-06 16:14:16	Varro	ix.io seems to be offline
2024-07-06 16:14:32	The-Compiler	!paste > Varro 
2024-07-06 16:14:33	phrik	The-Compiler: Is that… Is that really a word?
2024-07-06 16:14:34	grym	bpa.st/+language-here
2024-07-06 16:14:38	The-Compiler	huh
2024-07-06 16:14:39	The-Compiler	!paste
2024-07-06 16:14:39	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-07-06 16:14:41	BrainDamage	!0x0
2024-07-06 16:14:41	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
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2024-07-06 16:14:44	grym	e.g., bpa.st/+text
2024-07-06 16:15:18	grym	0x0 is great for photos and videos, bpa.st has nicer syntax highlighting and multiple file support and niceties
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2024-07-06 16:17:40	Varro	This is the mirrorlist script I manually run to get my entries - https://bpa.st/VVZQ
2024-07-06 16:17:40	phrik	Title: View paste VVZQ (at bpa.st)
2024-07-06 16:18:12	Varro	i.e. curl from archlinux.org/mirrorlist, then rankmirrors to get the lowest latency ones
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2024-07-06 16:19:20	Varro	I did it just a few months ago
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2024-07-06 16:20:39	Varro	may be the trick is to not run that everytime, but removing just the top entry which broke?
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2024-07-06 18:32:32	espresso	:( rebooted and sway is broken. log says $DISPLAY and $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP not set, and 'Unable to receive desktop appearance: GDBus.Error.org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: No such interface ~org.freedesktop.portal.Settings~ etc. nvidia prop worked just last night. Have been searching on forum...
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2024-07-06 18:35:07	teraflops	did you update anything before rebooting?
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2024-07-06 18:36:40	teraflops	espresso: how od you start sway?
2024-07-06 18:36:48	teraflops	do
2024-07-06 18:36:53	espresso	teraflops: thanks for turning me onto sway -- it's great, just like home. I may have updated something but looking at pacman.log, nothing stands out yet. I start sway from tty
2024-07-06 18:37:15	teraflops	how exactly?
2024-07-06 18:37:28	espresso	'sway --unsupported-gpu'
2024-07-06 18:38:35	espresso	I installed xdg-desktop-portal, xdg-desktop-portal-wlr .. (hard to believe I'm still unclear which are needed)
2024-07-06 18:38:37	teraflops	espresso: I's use a DM from tty use: if [ -z "$WAYLAND_DISPLAY" ] && [ "$XDG_VTNR" -eq 1 ]; then
2024-07-06 18:38:37	teraflops	  exec sway
2024-07-06 18:38:37	teraflops	fi 
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2024-07-06 18:38:49	espresso	echo $XDG_VTNR
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2024-07-06 18:38:53	espresso	woops :)
2024-07-06 18:39:06	teraflops	use e.g gdm 
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2024-07-06 18:40:36	NaiPbot	Hello, I was here yesterday getting help for setting up sbctl, I seem to be having an issue with setting up secure boot. Here is what I've tried:
2024-07-06 18:40:36	NaiPbot	https://pastebin.com/byJ3g0xA
2024-07-06 18:40:37	NaiPbot	after rebooting, I get a warning about "error: prohibited by secure boot policy". I'm using LUKS.
2024-07-06 18:40:37	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XBjO.txt
2024-07-06 18:40:37	phrik	Title: $ sbctl status Installed: ✓ sbctl is installedSetup Mode: ✗ EnabledSec - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-07-06 18:41:37	teraflops	if you ar going to use gdm with nvidia do not forget to run: ln -s /dev/null /etc/udev/rules.d/61-gdm.rules
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2024-07-06 18:44:33	espresso	teraflops: gdm? that pulls in stuff and not sure it would work, but I can try that
2024-07-06 18:44:37	NaiPbot	It's my understanding I've signed all the necessary efi files, as I used a find command to look for all of them
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2024-07-06 18:46:06	teraflops	espresso: it works ok with sway and e.g hyprland
2024-07-06 18:46:43	teraflops	a DM do more than provide a login screen, it sets up variables
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2024-07-06 18:53:49	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-07-06 18:49:11	espresso	NaiPbot: hello.  https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=282076 even mentions sbctl; relevant?
2024-07-06 18:49:11	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] prohibited by secure boot policy after grub update / System Administration / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-07-06 18:49:56	NaiPbot	espresso give me a sec, I'll check it out
2024-07-06 18:53:49	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-07-06 19:05:57	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-07-06 18:58:18	NaiPbot	That was a long post. I'm not sure why I didn't need to sign the fonts in my last arch install to boot it up... I find that rather odd espresso
2024-07-06 19:00:33	espresso	teraflops: sway config imports /etc/sway/config.d for the specific purpose of setting required variables (because upstream refuses to). I see it run systemd import and set XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP, DISPLAY, SWAYSOCK, and WAYLAND_DISPLAY, but then sway immediately barfs saying they're not. guess I'll check sway issues
2024-07-06 19:00:39	espresso	NaiPbot: apparently they changed policy?
2024-07-06 19:01:34	NaiPbot	espresso I can see that it's an early 2023 thing, but on my other laptop when I set it up it was late 2023... I'll still give it a shot, but if there's a less painful way I'd take it hahaha
2024-07-06 19:02:44	espresso	NaiPbot: systemd-boot bootloader is simple and stable, if not as Grand as GRUB. maybe it can do what you need?
2024-07-06 19:03:12	ieatdirt	what about limine? 
2024-07-06 19:03:29	ieatdirt	limine is like super simple but idk about stable
2024-07-06 19:03:34	NaiPbot	espresso Unfortunately I don't have experience with the systemd-boot bootloader. Is it able to boot to windows? I've never really seen it in use as GRUB is what I'm experienced with
2024-07-06 19:03:43	NaiPbot	Oh hi ieatdirt I was here yesterday :D
2024-07-06 19:05:30	espresso	NaiPbot: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot  seems able to dual boot
2024-07-06 19:05:32	phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-06 19:05:58	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-07-06 19:06:29	NaiPbot	Hmmm... I'll have a go thank you!
2024-07-06 19:07:15	teraflops	espresso: are you running sway from repos or some spin?
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2024-07-06 19:08:04	espresso	teraflops: from repos. maybe I did not fully install nvidia prop; that might do it?
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2024-07-06 19:09:41	espresso	I am still using nvidia_drm.modeset=1
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2024-07-06 19:11:27	espresso	teraflops: adding nvidia_drm.fbdev=1
2024-07-06 19:11:53	espresso	or is that not needed with newer drivers?
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2024-07-06 19:13:32	espresso	oops, could have something to do with losing my mkinitcpio preset. brb
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2024-07-06 19:15:17	madprops	anybody using awesomewm knows how to remove the airplane icon that appears left to the text when a client is fullscreen?
2024-07-06 19:15:29	madprops	i think this is causing the text to align to the top instead of center
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2024-07-06 19:21:35	modev	Good day. I am trying to make lwan and have an error: fatal error: mbedtls/ssl_internal.h: No such file or directory.
2024-07-06 19:21:35	modev	Does anyone know the reason?
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2024-07-06 19:22:00	espresso	teraflops: success! had lost my initcpio preset in the move :)
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2024-07-06 19:22:27	espresso	thanks :)
2024-07-06 19:22:32	sheep	is mbedtls installe?
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2024-07-06 19:22:37	sheep	*installed
2024-07-06 19:22:42	modev	yes
2024-07-06 19:22:47	archdemon	sheep: beat me to it haha
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2024-07-06 19:24:02	sheep	it looks like arch's packafe doesn't include the ssl_internal.h, but headers with "internal" in the name usually aren't meant to be used outside of their library
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2024-07-06 19:25:41	modev	The only mention https://siliconlabs.github.io/Gecko_SDK_Doc/mbedtls/html/ssl__internal_8h.html
2024-07-06 19:25:43	phrik	Title: mbed TLS v2.2.0: ssl_internal.h File Reference (at siliconlabs.github.io)
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2024-07-06 19:28:35	sheep	I'm also seeing this build error in a fresh docker container
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2024-07-06 19:30:18	sheep	interestingly, the gentoo package for mbedtls includes ssl_internal.h, but that's because it's mbedtls 2.28.7, while arch has 3.6.0
2024-07-06 19:30:19	⚡ 	MassiveAttack hi all
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2024-07-06 19:31:18	modev	can I set up a specific version of mbedtls?...
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2024-07-06 19:32:36	MacGyver	lwan in the AUR does not have mbedtls as a dep nor builddep.
2024-07-06 19:33:02	sheep	you should not downgrade the mbedtls package in the system. It doesn't look like there's an old mbedtls you can build from the AUR
2024-07-06 19:33:03	MacGyver	So why would it be bothered about anything mbedtls has at all?
2024-07-06 19:33:28	sheep	it probably has a broken check to see if mbedtls is installed, but doesn't check that it provides all of the requested headers
2024-07-06 19:33:52	sheep	also apparently -DENABLE_TLS=ON is the default
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2024-07-06 21:41:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-07-06 19:54:26	whitecat7255	OK, everything working now after full upgrade. Thanks, sorry for wasting your time with such a silly issue.
2024-07-06 19:55:36	Antiz	whitecat7255: No problem, glad you could solve your issue :)
2024-07-06 19:56:20	Antiz	whitecat7255: I'd advise giving this a read to avoid such issues in a future (if you haven't done yet) https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_maintenance#Partial_upgrades_are_unsupported
2024-07-06 19:56:20	phrik	Title: System maintenance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-06 20:13:15	ieatdirt	i cant believe the real florida man uses arch 
2024-07-06 20:13:22	ieatdirt	this is such an amazing surprise
2024-07-06 20:14:10	gehidore	what are you even talkinga bout?
2024-07-06 20:14:20	ieatdirt	someone named "RealFloridaMan" joined
2024-07-06 20:14:40	ieatdirt	and they just quit
2024-07-06 20:14:45	ieatdirt	so sad
2024-07-06 20:15:36	VoidKrypt	 :(
2024-07-06 20:17:54	gehidore	they joined again
2024-07-06 21:19:52	Trel	mpan: may have to wait on that assuming you open the bug via the gitlab page.  Looks like you need to send an email to make the account, which I need to reconfigure for (I use a receive only account, so I gotta modify it to send the email first)
2024-07-06 21:20:46	mpan	:)
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2024-07-06 22:55:04	teraflops	gromit: tyvm for managing my account that fast
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2024-07-06 22:56:22	gromit	teraflops: account registrations go brrr 🚀🚀🚀
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2024-07-06 23:18:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-07-07 00:46:41	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-07-07 00:46:41	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1398 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1397 regular)
2024-07-07 00:45:27	Pyczek	but im new to irc
2024-07-07 00:46:12	axq	Pyczek: weechat
2024-07-07 00:46:17	grym	i've used irssi for so long i can't really imagine using anything else
2024-07-07 00:46:41	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-07-07 00:46:41	axq	for plain irc irssi is fine but weechat can do anything including matrix
2024-07-07 00:47:36	Pyczek	are there any big public matrix channels or something?
2024-07-07 00:47:40	axq	but there is no "better", had been using irssi for years and still like it but switched to weechat some day
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2024-07-07 00:48:47	Eisenhans	some people use ircII epic scripts and are happy, in 2024
2024-07-07 00:48:49	axq	I'm in jellyfin 
2024-07-07 00:49:23	teraflops	there are many irc clients, GUI that can do inline images and things like that and tex-based ones for people thet likes minimal or like tiling wm
2024-07-07 00:49:38	teraflops	jellyfin <3
2024-07-07 00:50:12	Pyczek	im using dwm so im going with text-based
2024-07-07 00:50:46	Pyczek	and i also like software minimalism
2024-07-07 00:51:02	teraflops	best jellyfin client imo is infuse but it is for macos
2024-07-07 00:51:17	teraflops	Pyczek: suckless ;)
2024-07-07 00:51:43	Pyczek	teraflops: i love suckless software <3
2024-07-07 00:51:56	MrElendig	Pyczek: most of it is terrible though
2024-07-07 00:52:12	teraflops	they have a very simple irc client
2024-07-07 00:52:18	Pyczek	MrElendig: nah
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2024-07-07 00:52:46	teraflops	sic is an extremely simple IRC client. It consists of less than 250 lines of code. It is the little brother of irc it. :P
2024-07-07 00:52:55	MrElendig	like a st that both manages to be fairly resource intensive and have 0 freatures
2024-07-07 00:53:20	axq	teraflops: I'm fine with the jellyclient
2024-07-07 00:53:37	MrElendig	including scrollback
2024-07-07 00:53:46	kevr	!suckless
2024-07-07 00:53:47	phrik	worse is better^H^H^H^H^H^Hworse
2024-07-07 00:53:58	teraflops	axq: or activate dlna server in jellyfin and use e.g vlc
2024-07-07 00:55:00	Pyczek	MrElendig: if it's unpatched, then yea it has a small amout of features, but if you patch it, it can become a really great terminal 
2024-07-07 00:55:17	kevr	Pyczek: until you need to change something, then you just recompile it :)
2024-07-07 00:55:46	Pyczek	kevr: the compilation isn't that bad honestly
2024-07-07 00:56:22	teraflops	axq: https://paste.priet.us/screenshot_2024-07-07-00-56-01.png
2024-07-07 00:57:07	cloudowind	it is very simple to write an simple irc client with python these days thanks to irc libs 
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2024-07-07 00:58:09	axq	teraflops: i run jellyfin on a public server :)
2024-07-07 00:58:20	teraflops	ouch
2024-07-07 00:58:22	teraflops	:P
2024-07-07 00:58:27	axq	why ouch?
2024-07-07 00:58:36	teraflops	i run it behind my vpn
2024-07-07 00:58:54	teraflops	because dmca
2024-07-07 00:59:33	axq	well it's user/password protected
2024-07-07 01:00:10	rcf	Putting it on a VPN is cheating 
2024-07-07 01:01:38	teraflops	then I'm guilty ;)
2024-07-07 01:01:52	teraflops	I just use it to stream to my tv
2024-07-07 01:02:08	Pyczek	brb!
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2024-07-07 01:03:13	axq	first and foremost, it's a media management system. i see no reason to hide it :)
2024-07-07 01:03:46	teraflops	right
2024-07-07 01:03:50	axq	you want to share your private vacation videos with friends, don't you? :D
2024-07-07 01:04:44	axq	but as teraflops said: jelly <3 - software
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2024-07-07 01:13:27	pyczek	Hello!
2024-07-07 01:13:40	pyczek	im back
2024-07-07 01:13:42	pyczek	i think
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2024-07-07 01:15:08	teraflops	phrik: is pyczek back?
2024-07-07 01:15:10	phrik	Perhaps true...
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2024-07-07 01:15:19	pyczek	im back
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2024-07-07 01:15:33	pyczek	i just didn't knwo if i joined the right channel lol
2024-07-07 01:15:41	teraflops	;)
2024-07-07 01:15:41	pyczek	i finally got weechat working!
2024-07-07 01:16:28	pyczek	this looks so cool!
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2024-07-07 01:16:53	pyczek	and i can finally use dark theme
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2024-07-07 01:17:14	teraflops	mine has a bar with buffers up and users list right
2024-07-07 01:17:39	pyczek	hexchat or weechat?
2024-07-07 01:17:45	teraflops	weechat
2024-07-07 01:17:55	pyczek	oh
2024-07-07 01:18:01	pyczek	mines looks defaulse lmao
2024-07-07 01:18:24	pyczek	*default
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2024-07-07 01:18:55	teraflops	well, lets share it, https://paste.priet.us/screenshot_2024-07-07-01-18-48.png
2024-07-07 01:19:20	ieatdirt	i swear every time someone uses a temporary file storage website its always a different one
2024-07-07 01:20:03	ieatdirt	not a bad thing actually
2024-07-07 01:20:13	pyczek	teraflops: 1. your rice looks cool asf, 2. can you teach me how to send screenshot on here bc im new TwT
2024-07-07 01:20:15	teraflops	I selfhost that one actually
2024-07-07 01:20:28	ieatdirt	oh thats very cool
2024-07-07 01:21:18	pyczek	teraflops: like, that thing that you send images on?
2024-07-07 01:21:43	teraflops	pyczek: grab a screensht and uoload to whatever site that allows it, then paste the link
2024-07-07 01:22:12	pyczek	are there some sites you recommed?
2024-07-07 01:22:17	pyczek	*recommend
2024-07-07 01:22:28	ieatdirt	google drive link /s
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2024-07-07 01:24:47	teraflops	pyczek: that is how I do it https://gitlab.com/teraflops/dotfiles/-/blob/main/.local/bin/screenshot_hyprland.sh?ref_type=heads
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2024-07-07 01:25:32	pyczek	https://imgur.com/a/mnzZO8q here you go
2024-07-07 01:25:32	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2024-07-07 01:25:52	pyczek	its unfinished (rice)
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2024-07-07 01:26:32	teraflops	well, you are getting to it
2024-07-07 01:27:01	pyczek	thanks
2024-07-07 01:27:30	teraflops	the more I like is to pick a wm and rice it a bit
2024-07-07 01:27:52	pyczek	im using dwm rn
2024-07-07 01:27:56	pyczek	but its unriced
2024-07-07 01:28:05	ieatdirt	im using i3
2024-07-07 01:28:08	ieatdirt	dwm is very brave
2024-07-07 01:28:11	pyczek	well its riced
2024-07-07 01:28:19	pyczek	but no enough for me
2024-07-07 01:28:32	teraflops	i started with xmonad, then i3, then sway, and now hyorland
2024-07-07 01:28:42	teraflops	hyprland
2024-07-07 01:28:59	pyczek	ieatdirt: i like dwm because it's really smol
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2024-07-07 01:29:18	ieatdirt	my i3 is basically unriced, i've changed a few keybinds and made i3status suit me more
2024-07-07 01:29:37	teraflops	I loved i3pystatus
2024-07-07 01:29:57	pyczek	i use i3 when my dwm install breaks loll
2024-07-07 01:29:58	ieatdirt	python scripting for i3 status bar? that sounds very nice
2024-07-07 01:30:09	teraflops	yeah
2024-07-07 01:30:17	ieatdirt	yeah thats why dwm is brave, you have to recompile it every time you want to change a color lol
2024-07-07 01:30:36	pyczek	i like it this way :3
2024-07-07 01:30:41	ieatdirt	its super tiny though so i dont assume it would take very long to compile 
2024-07-07 01:30:43	axq	sway ftw
2024-07-07 01:31:54	pyczek	ieatdirt: takes less then a second for me
2024-07-07 01:32:27	pyczek	dwm is a bit tricky to configure
2024-07-07 01:32:32	ieatdirt	is updating dwm hard? seems like it would be very hard to update unless its split into many different files
2024-07-07 01:32:36	teraflops	last thing I added is windows hello thingy (howdy) to log in and unlock screen
2024-07-07 01:32:43	ieatdirt	only suckless thing i use is dmenu
2024-07-07 01:33:04	pyczek	i've never updated dwm lol
2024-07-07 01:33:17	ieatdirt	i doubt it gets updates very often, the whole thing is to be ultra light
2024-07-07 01:33:23	pyczek	yeah
2024-07-07 01:33:29	ieatdirt	if it aint broke dont fix it 
2024-07-07 01:33:41	pyczek	yeah
2024-07-07 01:33:49	pyczek	i really like suckless apps honestly
2024-07-07 01:34:02	pyczek	idk why really
2024-07-07 01:34:27	teraflops	I witched to anything wayland since it looks the way to go
2024-07-07 01:34:42	kevr	it is kinda neat that their code is so simple without patches that you can look at the code and actually see pretty easily how they created the program
2024-07-07 01:34:46	teraflops	at the very end all tiling wm can look almost the same
2024-07-07 01:34:54	kevr	but that's probably the most use i've gotten out of it, ever
2024-07-07 01:35:05	ieatdirt	ill wait for x12
2024-07-07 01:35:09	pyczek	teraflops: but not configure the same tho
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2024-07-07 01:35:19	ieatdirt	or for the time where xwayland becomes deprecated 
2024-07-07 01:35:37	pyczek	if dwl was still continued i will use wayland
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2024-07-07 01:35:47	pyczek	kevr: yeah
2024-07-07 01:37:57	ieatdirt	gcc is written in C++??? learn something new every day
2024-07-07 01:38:04	pyczek	WHAT
2024-07-07 01:38:06	pyczek	really?
2024-07-07 01:38:20	ieatdirt	according to https://suckless.org/sucks/
2024-07-07 01:38:20	phrik	Title: software that sucks less | suckless.org software that sucks less (at suckless.org)
2024-07-07 01:38:51	kevr	https://github.com/gcc-mirror/gcc/tree/master/gcc
2024-07-07 01:38:56	pyczek	oh yeah
2024-07-07 01:38:58	kevr	there are a ton of cpp sources in there
2024-07-07 01:39:22	pyczek	i was thinking of switch to a more bloat-less compiler
2024-07-07 01:39:48	pyczek	but i can't bc im used to gcc and i use clangd for lsp (TwT)
2024-07-07 01:42:20	Duckgirl	There's also the handmade network! https://handmade.network/
2024-07-07 01:42:48	ieatdirt	i use clang for my general things, but i'm not really a programmer at all
2024-07-07 01:43:10	ieatdirt	supposedly it has better error reporting :shrug:
2024-07-07 01:43:29	pyczek	im trying to program
2024-07-07 01:43:41	pyczek	but i just don't know what to program :sob:
2024-07-07 01:46:34	noumenon	write an OS
2024-07-07 01:46:46	Duckgirl	Is gcc bad?
2024-07-07 01:46:47	kevr	start with a bootloader, it's actually not that bad
2024-07-07 01:47:01	noumenon	and when you've written an OS, do it again, but using Brainfuck
2024-07-07 01:47:11	pyczek	i don't know assembly
2024-07-07 01:47:16	kevr	pyczek: learn it
2024-07-07 01:47:24	pyczek	bruh
2024-07-07 01:47:30	kevr	you don't need to learn that much to actually write a bootloader, it's quite simple
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2024-07-07 01:47:52	pyczek	still
2024-07-07 01:48:08	pyczek	don't wont to write and entire os
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2024-07-07 01:48:19	noumenon	first thing you'll need is the Brainfuck-to-assembly generator
2024-07-07 01:48:45	kevr	pyczek: write an arithmetic calculator
2024-07-07 01:48:51	Duckgirl	Make a video game!
2024-07-07 01:49:19	pyczek	Duckgirl: a game about what?
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2024-07-07 01:49:38	Duckgirl	make a video game where you shoot bad guys
2024-07-07 01:50:05	pyczek	kevr: bro im 14, i don't even know what that is TwT
2024-07-07 01:50:05	Duckgirl	but then it turns out they were good guys, and you were the bad guy all along
2024-07-07 01:50:15	kevr	pyczek: i've always wanted to make a game that basically lets you overview a program's flowchart as a solar system, and you can fly between the different planets that flow with one another
2024-07-07 01:50:19	kevr	do that!
2024-07-07 01:50:20	noumenon	freedom fighters vs. terrorists
2024-07-07 01:50:23	noumenon	a tale as old as time
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2024-07-07 01:50:41	pyczek	wait
2024-07-07 01:50:56	kevr	should probably take this to #archlinux-offtopic at this point though
2024-07-07 01:51:03	pyczek	yeah
2024-07-07 01:51:03	noumenon	:D
2024-07-07 01:51:17	⚡ 	MassiveAttack gn
2024-07-07 01:51:36	pyczek	gn!
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2024-07-07 06:16:25	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
2024-07-07 06:16:25	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1380 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1379 regular)
2024-07-07 03:07:38	sacodya	Hey guys! Yall know what happened to the systemd-boot option on archinstall? Now there's only Grub and Limine
2024-07-07 03:14:52	Namarrgon	sacodya: There's also #archinstall
2024-07-07 03:15:49	sacodya	Yes thank you, I'll ask there too
2024-07-07 03:57:39	RealFloridaMan	wtf
2024-07-07 04:13:17	⚡ 	topcat001 on i3 but the new fvwm3 (AUR) is really nice (and being used on friend and family computers, all of whom unknowingly/unwittingly but happily are running Arch often on "ancient" computers).
2024-07-07 04:13:47	topcat001	ignorance is bliss situation :D
2024-07-07 04:35:24	gehidore	As the world turns more and more to everything being a web app that gets easier to accomplish
2024-07-07 04:48:52	oatmealraisin	Anyone going to HOPE next week?
2024-07-07 05:06:59	topcat001	gehidore: very true. Once they launch FF/Chrome the OS ceases to exist for them.
2024-07-07 05:12:30	demonicmaniac1	topcat001: to be fair in those cases chromiumos is often a better choice than arch then 
2024-07-07 05:13:16	demonicmaniac1	unless you run a weekly syu on all the arch machines of friends and family
2024-07-07 06:16:27	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-07-07 07:06:16	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-07-07 07:06:18	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-07-07 07:57:27	bluetail	Hey. Is it possible to besides of the remote ssh unlock via dropbear add another hook which would back up the full disk to a borg repo ? I mean, I can continue to upload my borg snapshots onto my nas. But what if I want to restore the full disk, or its partition table? How should I go about it? Currently, I make a daily snapshot, and upload it.
2024-07-07 07:57:28	bluetail	It's pretty fast.
2024-07-07 07:58:00	bluetail	Or rather, what would be a smarter way to go about it. Perhaps I can backup the partition table separately.
2024-07-07 07:58:13	bluetail	the borg snapshot contains / readonly.
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2024-07-07 10:37:23	MrElendig	ansible!
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2024-07-07 10:41:29	kode54	gee
2024-07-07 10:41:37	kode54	I mentioned difficulties with GPG to a chat
2024-07-07 10:41:49	kode54	and their response was essentially "stop using GPG and use this better thing"
2024-07-07 10:42:56	MrElendig	sequoia?
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2024-07-07 10:43:12	kode54	one of them suggested using ssh signing
2024-07-07 10:43:12	MrElendig	if so, it's kind of warranted depending on the use case
2024-07-07 10:43:39	kode54	the other said "openpgp-card-ssh-agent + openpgp-card-oct-git + sq > gpg"
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2024-07-07 10:44:39	kode54	oh, I see
2024-07-07 10:44:48	kode54	that second one is for people who have tokens
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2024-07-07 10:45:16	BrainDamage	gpg _is_ contrieved, but the alternatives are quite new and not as well known/documented yet
2024-07-07 10:45:24	kode54	yeah
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2024-07-07 10:45:38	kode54	the only issue I was having was that kwallet doesn't store GPG tokens
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2024-07-07 10:46:10	kode54	so it came down to banging out my 52 character passphrase every time I upgrade my AUR packages
2024-07-07 10:47:02	kode54	yes, for some reason, I decided to sign my custom repo
2024-07-07 10:47:13	kode54	and lol @ this person named "repo"
2024-07-07 10:47:26	kode54	enjoy your highlights
2024-07-07 10:48:18	BrainDamage	nothing wrong with signing aur stuff, it helps ensuring that if/when the repo gets compromised, you cannot fake commits as easily
2024-07-07 10:48:30	kode54	true
2024-07-07 10:48:40	kode54	I also ssh sign my Git commits
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2024-07-07 11:57:53	⚡ 	MassiveAttack hi all
2024-07-07 11:58:10	gromit	!give MassiveAttack welcomerpg
2024-07-07 11:58:11	phrik	MassiveAttack: Welcome to #archlinux - How can we help you?
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2024-07-07 12:01:41	teraflops	uhm the aur bloke
2024-07-07 12:01:46	teraflops	broke
2024-07-07 12:02:17	mefistofeles	!panic
2024-07-07 12:02:17	phrik	https://eured.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/oh-noes-everybody-panic.gif
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2024-07-07 12:03:18	astralc	!status
2024-07-07 12:03:18	phrik	astralc: Eh?
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2024-07-07 12:04:54	teraflops	up again
2024-07-07 12:05:06	teraflops	it was giving me 502
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2024-07-07 12:05:59	mefistofeles	teraflops: yeah, it gave me 502 here as well
2024-07-07 12:06:18	mefistofeles	!blame
2024-07-07 12:06:19	phrik	Allan.
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2024-07-07 14:22:46	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su | Join the AT-Team, NOW! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team"
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2024-07-07 15:53:44	MichaelP	pipewire.conf audio.format S16LE change to S24LE audio.rate 48000 change to 96000 loose all sound.. put # back in place sould comes back..
2024-07-07 15:55:09	MacGyver	Make the changes one at a time.
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2024-07-07 15:57:00	MichaelP	I have still no sound...For awhile was doing samething in Fedora but now it in fedora it works. Still just here for me.
2024-07-07 15:57:42	MacGyver	Which change produces that effect?
2024-07-07 15:57:48	MacGyver	The format change or the rate change?
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2024-07-07 15:58:37	MichaelP	both
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2024-07-07 15:59:55	MacGyver	Then you'll need to explain what you're doing in more detail.
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2024-07-07 16:00:35	MacGyver	How are you testing, where and how in this process are you restarting pipewire, etc.
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2024-07-07 16:04:50	MichaelP	    systemctl --user restart pipewire-pulse.service        systemctl --user restart pipewire.service  .... when you have no volume control.. no sound on youtube video.. 
2024-07-07 16:05:23	MacGyver	Have you tried restarting the application playing the youtube video as well?
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2024-07-07 16:08:42	MichaelP	No.. Because i did not thing it had anything to do with youtube. Since my whole volume control disapears.
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2024-07-07 16:10:16	MacGyver	What happens when you do restart it?
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2024-07-07 16:11:19	MacGyver	It doesn't have anything to do "with youtube", it potentially has to do with how the application playing youtube configures itself and how it talks to the pipewire server.
2024-07-07 16:11:33	MichaelP	restart while video playing. loose sound.
2024-07-07 16:12:33	MacGyver	So if you set the configuration file, restart both services, then restart the application playing youtube, the *new* instance of the application cannot play audio?
2024-07-07 16:13:37	MichaelP	correct
2024-07-07 16:14:04	MacGyver	!paste
2024-07-07 16:14:04	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-07-07 16:14:08	MichaelP	even open system settings sound in kde. There is nothing in there
2024-07-07 16:14:10	MacGyver	!rs
2024-07-07 16:14:11	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2024-07-07 16:14:23	MacGyver	Pastebin the configuration files ^
2024-07-07 16:15:04	MichaelP	pipewire.conf ?
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2024-07-07 16:15:53	MacGyver	Everything you're changing. And also make sure to tell me exactly where those changed files live.
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2024-07-07 16:17:19	MacGyver	Also check whether the output of `pw-top -b -n2` contains any sensitive information (like application names you don't want anyone to know about) and if not, pastebin that as well.
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2024-07-07 16:20:38	MichaelP	https://paste.rs/UVa4h.txt     line 301 302
2024-07-07 16:20:39	phrik	Title: Source Code | UVa4h | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-07-07 16:21:53	MacGyver	Ah.
2024-07-07 16:22:07	MacGyver	You also need to uncomment the enclosing parts
2024-07-07 16:22:15	MacGyver	But ideally you don't directly edit this file.
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2024-07-07 16:22:45	MacGyver	And instead put an overriding file in /etc/pipewire/pipewire.conf.d as mentioned on line 8.
2024-07-07 16:23:14	MacGyver	In this particular case, you would need to uncomment lines 290, 291, 305 and 306 as well.
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2024-07-07 16:24:13	MichaelP	Never had to do that before
2024-07-07 16:24:43	MichaelP	Fedora i do it the same way as here
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2024-07-07 16:28:20	MacGyver	It'll work, but it's not ideal because managing overrides for specific sections is easier than redoing all your edits on a new file.
2024-07-07 16:28:33	MacGyver	Regardless, you uncommented some properties in a section without uncommenting the enclosing section.
2024-07-07 16:28:59	MichaelP	Just tried that. Still samething
2024-07-07 16:29:49	MacGyver	I imagine that might be because the device you're trying to set this for is, in fact, not the alsa device at hw:0.
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2024-07-07 16:31:20	MichaelP	My sound is going thru my hdmi
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2024-07-07 16:32:18	MacGyver	Can you pastebin pw-top -b -n2?
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2024-07-07 16:33:25	MacGyver	Soni: Not gonna happen if the upstream kernel doesn't do it.
2024-07-07 16:34:49	MacGyver	Is this one of your vague ideas or is there an actual standard being proposed?
2024-07-07 16:35:57	MacGyver	The ELF binary format and its behaviour is considered standard.
2024-07-07 16:36:17	MacGyver	Are *you* proposing this mechanism or is there a document to read somewhere.
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2024-07-07 16:37:50	MacGyver	You forget the part where the kernel and C library actually have to implement support for this proposed extension to the ELF format and do the juggling when a signal is being handled.
2024-07-07 16:38:01	MacGyver	So, no, not gonna happen unless you write a standard and get that upstreamed.
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2024-07-07 16:38:19	MichaelP	https://paste.rs/FQpoP.txt   pw-top -b -n
2024-07-07 16:38:20	phrik	Title: Source Code | FQpoP | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-07-07 16:38:41	MacGyver	MichaelP: -n2.
2024-07-07 16:38:49	MacGyver	MichaelP: The 2 is pretty essential as you'll notice :P
2024-07-07 16:39:00	MacGyver	Oh huh, wait, my mistake.
2024-07-07 16:39:05	MacGyver	That's interesting.
2024-07-07 16:39:27	MacGyver	MichaelP: Can you run it with higher values and see whether it actually starts listing something in the FORMAT colun?
2024-07-07 16:39:59	MacGyver	Soni: It's *your* idea, aren't you supposed to figure out how this would look?
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2024-07-07 16:42:29	MacGyver	DoSes.
2024-07-07 16:42:34	MacGyver	Obviously.
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2024-07-21 17:09:09	bluetail	Is it possible to get instant search results as you would with https://github.com/cboxdoerfer/fsearch but in thunar / dolphin / nemo - whatever?
2024-07-21 17:09:19	bluetail	as in indexing
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2024-07-21 17:24:37	gabriel1234sd	!paste
2024-07-21 17:24:38	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-07-21 17:25:10	gabriel1234sd	!0x0
2024-07-21 17:25:10	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
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2024-07-21 17:28:13	glitsj16	bluetail: thunar can use catfish for that https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Thunar#Search_for_files_and_folders
2024-07-21 17:28:14	phrik	Title: Thunar - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-07-21 17:30:16	gabriel1234sd	hello! - so an app that uses mpv is having issens detaing it how do i fix it?
2024-07-21 17:30:17	gabriel1234sd	log from the app:https://0x0.st/XpZd.txt
2024-07-21 17:30:17	gabriel1234sd	thanks!
2024-07-21 17:31:11	Scimmia	gabriel1234sd: fully update your system
2024-07-21 17:31:12	Namarrgon	Is your system up-to-date?
2024-07-21 17:31:39	gabriel1234sd	no
2024-07-21 17:31:56	Namarrgon	Partial updates are unsupported.
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2024-07-21 17:36:40	gabriel1234sd	i updated my system sill the same.
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2024-07-21 17:37:00	Namarrgon	Do you have any unofficial packages installed?
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2024-07-21 17:37:20	Scimmia	gabriel1234sd: pacman -Q mpv
2024-07-21 17:37:47	bluetail	glitsj16 does that include folder listings with thumbnails and all, or just the plain file?
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2024-07-21 17:38:18	bluetail	It's just that I got a filesystem that doesn't change anymore, and I'd like to not wait for things to load
2024-07-21 17:38:27	gabriel1234sd	mpv-git 0.38.0_514_g4ec060f946-1
2024-07-21 17:38:33	glitsj16	bluetail: that I don't know, I don't use those indexers myself
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2024-07-21 17:38:44	bluetail	thanks tho
2024-07-21 17:38:54	Scimmia	gabriel1234sd: it's up to you to rebuild AUR packages when they need it
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2024-07-21 17:39:43	ldiamond	gabriel1234sd: If you actually need mpv-git instead of the regular mpv package, you'll have to rebuild it with the aur tool you used.
2024-07-21 17:39:49	glitsj16	bluetail: if you already use fsearch, thunar supports custom actions, so perhaps you could hook into it
2024-07-21 17:39:51	ldiamond	Or uninstall it and install mpv instead.
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2024-07-21 17:41:17	gabriel1234sd	oh how to rebuild it with yay?
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2024-07-21 17:42:33	ldiamond	isn't that just `yay`?
2024-07-21 17:42:47	gabriel1234sd	thanks
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2024-07-21 17:43:58	gabriel1234sd	sill the same.
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2024-07-21 17:44:52	MrElendig	might have to explicitly tell it to rebuild if the version didn't change
2024-07-21 17:45:01	gabriel1234sd	ok
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2024-07-21 17:45:09	MrElendig	but pacman -Qs ffmpeg
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2024-07-21 17:46:10	MrElendig	rebuild ffmpeg too if you are using a variant from aur
2024-07-21 17:46:21	MrElendig	(do it before rebuilding mpv)
2024-07-21 17:46:45	gabriel1234sd	but i started mpv now
2024-07-21 17:47:21	BrainDamage	I would strongly suggest to not use ffmpeg from the aur, it's a dep that ends up nearly everywhere and you'll get a lot of breakage if you skip a rebuild
2024-07-21 17:48:04	gabriel1234sd	oh just realied that i have the one that isnt from the aur
2024-07-21 17:48:06	another|	gabriel1234sd: `yay -S --rebuild mpv-git`
2024-07-21 17:49:34	glitsj16	bluetail: ah, checked the thunar catfish situation; as thunar uses tumbler for thumbnailing I guess you can get everything you're looking for
2024-07-21 17:49:48	bluetail	great
2024-07-21 17:50:01	gabriel1234sd	finished it sill the same.
2024-07-21 17:50:28	Scimmia	did it actually install?
2024-07-21 17:50:50	gabriel1234sd	yes
2024-07-21 17:51:01	Scimmia	look at pacman -Qi mpv-git, was it just built?
2024-07-21 17:52:08	MrElendig	pacman -Qm
2024-07-21 17:52:09	glitsj16	bluetail: there's more on that in the tumbler section at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Thunar#Plugins_and_addons
2024-07-21 17:52:11	phrik	Title: Thunar - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-21 17:52:18	MrElendig	post the output of ^
2024-07-21 17:52:59	gabriel1234sd	for pacman -Qi mpv-git:https://0x0.st/XpNT.txt
2024-07-21 17:54:26	Scimmia	then you've got more that need rebuilt. Use lddtree from the pax-utils package, see what is trying to pull in the old library
2024-07-21 17:55:12	gabriel1234sd	its the new library 
2024-07-21 17:55:53	Scimmia	what is?
2024-07-21 17:56:08	gabriel1234sd	 libplacebo.so.349
2024-07-21 17:56:31	Scimmia	are you getting the same error as before or not?
2024-07-21 17:56:59	MrElendig	gabriel1234sd: post -Qm output already
2024-07-21 17:57:02	gabriel1234sd	the same with the new verson of  libplacebo.so.349
2024-07-21 17:58:09	Scimmia	that makes no sense
2024-07-21 17:58:20	Scimmia	what are you *actually* seeing right now
2024-07-21 17:58:56	gabriel1234sd	the new output?
2024-07-21 18:00:57	gabriel1234sd	this is the old one and the new one :https://0x0.st/XpN2.txt
2024-07-21 18:01:28	sewe2000	Hello. Can somebody help me with my problem?
2024-07-21 18:02:21	sewe2000	I get a kernel panic during the boot process, because apparently the kernel can't mount my btrfs root partition
2024-07-21 18:03:34	Scimmia	gabriel1234sd: does /usr/bin/mpv --version work?
2024-07-21 18:03:41	gabriel1234sd	no
2024-07-21 18:03:51	MrElendig	sewe2000: start by booting the fallback initcpio
2024-07-21 18:04:21	Scimmia	gabriel1234sd: pacman -Q libplacebo
2024-07-21 18:04:30	gabriel1234sd	 gabriel1234sd: pacman -Q libplacebo
2024-07-21 18:04:35	gabriel1234sd	opps
2024-07-21 18:05:09	sewe2000	MrElendig: Unfortunetaly I get the same result
2024-07-21 18:05:24	gabriel1234sd	here is it https://0x0.st/XpNW.txt
2024-07-21 18:05:25	MrElendig	sewe2000: take a pic of the exact error
2024-07-21 18:06:01	Scimmia	gabriel1234sd: -Qkk libplacebo
2024-07-21 18:07:04	m15k	Hi I made a update to a package (p2pool). Should I contribute it via gitlab? Do I need to have a archlinux-gitlab account for that?
2024-07-21 18:08:21	MrElendig	update as in change to how it's built or just versionbump?
2024-07-21 18:10:19	gabriel1234sd	Scimmia: https://0x0.st/XpNv.txt
2024-07-21 18:10:32	m15k	MrElendig the new version required git modules to be updated recursivly. So actually it's version bump + adding that flag to git submodule update
2024-07-21 18:10:52	Scimmia	reinstall that package
2024-07-21 18:11:59	sewe2000	MrElendig: https://cdn.imgpaste.net/2024/07/22/SF2Fww.jpg
2024-07-21 18:13:25	gabriel1234sd	fixed thanks.
2024-07-21 18:13:27	MrElendig	looks like a bad bootloader config maybe
2024-07-21 18:14:07	MrElendig	hmm, or bad initcpio
2024-07-21 18:14:49	MrElendig	boot install image, check that you can mount everything and try reinstalling the kernel package
2024-07-21 18:17:22	sewe2000	MrElendig: I've already tried it
2024-07-21 18:17:27	Scimmia	that almost looks like no initramfs is being used at all
2024-07-21 18:17:45	sewe2000	MrElendig: although...
2024-07-21 18:17:47	Scimmia	what's your bootloader config look like?
2024-07-21 18:17:56	MrElendig	yea it's suspisious
2024-07-21 18:18:18	sewe2000	Let me install a newer kernel 
2024-07-21 18:18:59	Scimmia	I'm almost positive there's no initramfs being loaded
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2024-07-21 18:25:59	m15k	MrElendig: https://gist.github.com/asbachb/0cfe4df6155b1caa9889dbc36333f952
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2024-07-21 18:27:12	Scimmia	m15k: if you're going to do it, you should just fix the submodule handling
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2024-07-21 18:28:00	m15k	Scimmia: could you be a little bit more specific?
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2024-07-21 18:28:26	Scimmia	m15k: kpcyrd: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VCS_package_guidelines#Git_submodules
2024-07-21 18:28:27	phrik	Title: VCS package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-07-21 18:30:12	m15k	Scimmia: I think it's not yet done as the project is using quite a lot of submodules.
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2024-07-21 18:31:10	Scimmia	the PKGBUILD is also calling make -j$(nproc), so quality is a problem overall
2024-07-21 18:32:18	sewe2000	Kernel update have done nothing
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2024-07-21 18:32:46	Scimmia	sewe2000: yeah, nobody expected it to
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2024-07-21 18:39:56	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1408 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1408 regular)
2024-07-21 18:38:21	MrElendig	post the bootloader config and tree of your esp
2024-07-21 18:38:25	MrElendig	esp/boot
2024-07-21 18:38:49	sewe2000	Because mkinitcpio was spitting warnings about fsck.btrfs not having access to /bin/sh
2024-07-21 18:38:59	sewe2000	MrElendig: ok
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2024-07-21 18:46:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-07-21 18:38:21	MrElendig	post the bootloader config and tree of your esp
2024-07-21 18:38:25	MrElendig	esp/boot
2024-07-21 18:38:49	sewe2000	Because mkinitcpio was spitting warnings about fsck.btrfs not having access to /bin/sh
2024-07-21 18:38:59	sewe2000	MrElendig: ok
2024-07-21 18:40:10	MrElendig	fsck.btrfs generally isn't something you actually want
2024-07-21 18:41:12	MrElendig	"raditional filesystems need to run their respective fsck utility in case the filesystem was not unmounted cleanly and the log needs to be replayed before mount. This is not needed for BTRFS. You should set fs_passno to 0."
2024-07-21 18:41:19	MrElendig	+ a T at the start
2024-07-21 18:41:42	sewe2000	Okay
2024-07-21 18:42:04	sewe2000	MrElendig: Here's the tree: https://0x0.st/XpNh.txt
2024-07-21 18:42:09	MrElendig	the way maintain btrfs is to scrub it once in a blue moon
2024-07-21 18:43:00	sewe2000	Hahah good to know
2024-07-21 18:43:44	sewe2000	MrElendig: and the config: https://0x0.st/XpNF.cfg
2024-07-21 18:44:31	MrElendig	and btrfs check if something more serious is going on
2024-07-21 18:44:37	MrElendig	(use with care)
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2024-07-21 19:03:14	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1416 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1416 regular)
2024-07-21 19:03:07	MrElendig	in grub, press e on the menu entry you are trying to boot and check that it's actually loading the initrd from the root path
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2024-07-21 19:22:07	bougyman	But now it won't hibernate and that's a different issue.
2024-07-21 19:22:08	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-07-21 19:22:22	bougyman	[319229.100288] PM: hibernation: Image allocation is 1270730 pages short
2024-07-21 19:22:32	bougyman	Using too much ram? That's weird, I thought I made swap > ram.
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2024-07-21 19:22:48	bougyman	Mem:        63587188    37130896    26437256      202028      847448    26456292
2024-07-21 19:22:50	bougyman	Swap:       67107836     6764288    60343548
2024-07-21 19:22:52	bougyman	I did...
2024-07-21 19:22:54	bougyman	Wo that gives?
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2024-07-21 19:23:07	bougyman	Maybe some swap is used so it can't use it for hibernation. Yep.
2024-07-21 19:23:09	bougyman	Well damn.
2024-07-21 19:23:25	bougyman	swapoff -a; swapon -a should fix that.
2024-07-21 19:23:44	bougyman	Here goes another shot
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2024-07-21 19:26:14	bougyman	Holy El Camino, it worked.
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2024-07-21 19:27:50	bougyman	Holy how it worked.
2024-07-21 19:28:03	bougyman	encrypted zfs root & zfsbootmenu + suspend & hibernation - :check:
2024-07-21 19:28:07	bougyman	now I can go to the beach.
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2024-07-21 23:14:28	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-07-21 23:14:28	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1402 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1402 regular)
2024-07-21 22:06:56	MrElendig	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Official_repositories_web_interface
2024-07-21 22:07:04	MrElendig	could do with some love though
2024-07-21 22:07:11	kpcyrd	Scimmia: there was a change in submodules in the latest p2pool release, I started applying the guidelines but never completed the update :/
2024-07-21 22:10:09	kpcyrd	I think the problem is the need for `--recursive` in submodules update, but idk how to apply the package guidelines in that case
2024-07-21 22:12:28	gromit	KDDLB: why are you asking tho? 
2024-07-21 22:18:41	⚡ 	MrElendig uses said interface regulary
2024-07-21 22:31:26	emmanuelux	hello a command to make dhcp reload dns conf in /etc/resolv.conf ?
2024-07-21 22:31:55	gromit	!give emmanuelux xy
2024-07-21 22:31:56	phrik	emmanuelux: What exactly are you trying to do? http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=542341
2024-07-21 22:51:13	KDDLB	gromit, making a client for it 
2024-07-21 22:51:37	susi	emmanuelux: you restart the whatever service reads and applies resolv.conf
2024-07-21 23:02:05	teraflops	unless you are caching DNS', changes in resolv.conf are applied instantly
2024-07-21 23:03:54	teraflops	and the fact that you are saying "changes in resolv.conf" implies you are not using systemd-resolved which iirc does DNS caching 
2024-07-21 23:04:53	teraflops	but it's hard to say and gromit had a point asking
2024-07-21 23:06:50	susi	me sets this DNS stuff per-connection in NM's connection profiles, and it then writes the resolv.conf with corresponding strings 
2024-07-21 23:08:38	susi	for some connections, I use local caching DNS service and certain extensions, and for some others not, or with different extensions or none at all
2024-07-21 23:08:57	susi	NM is nice for a mobile person with a laptop and always on the move
2024-07-21 23:10:50	susi	a lil more advertising... its dispatcher is kewl and a must!
2024-07-21 23:12:25	teraflops	dispatcher is handy, you can run bash scripts there 
2024-07-21 23:14:11	susi	yeah... one application for me is keeping track when I "work"
2024-07-21 23:14:28	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-07-21 23:15:16	topcat001	I also prefer NM on laptops which move a lot between wifi nets.
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2024-07-21 23:21:11	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-07-21 23:21:11	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-07-21 23:23:16	illuminated	I forgot what the package was that you should add to 'refresh' kernel modules basically after updates without having to reboot.  
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2024-07-21 23:24:52	gromit	illuminated: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/kernel-modules-hook/
2024-07-21 23:24:56	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - kernel-modules-hook 0.1.7-3 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2024-07-21 23:25:21	illuminated	great thanks
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2024-07-22 00:06:21	rcf	Which filesystem 
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2024-07-22 00:10:29	rcf	I assume this is using lvm, then. 
2024-07-22 00:10:56	rcf	In which case lvconvert can do it, but only for new data. It won't convert existing allocations. 
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2024-07-22 00:15:52	rcf	I think mdadm --grow --chunk=NEW_SIZE_IN_KILOBYTES /dev/your_device, but it will be very slow. 
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2024-07-22 09:25:29	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1392 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1392 regular)
2024-07-22 00:46:01	edt	anyone else finding core/libassuan 3.0.0-1 is breaking pacman?  with: pacman: error while loading shared libraries: libassuan.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2024-07-22 00:46:36	edt	using pacman-static and reverting to 2.5.7-2 fixes the issue
2024-07-22 00:57:41	johnarcher	hello
2024-07-22 00:57:53	johnarcher	this is my first time using irc
2024-07-22 00:58:04	throstur	greetings captain jonathan archer of the USS enterprise
2024-07-22 00:58:16	throstur	jk, welcome, don't be afraid to ask  -- we don't bite (much)
2024-07-22 00:58:58	johnarcher	thanks
2024-07-22 00:59:25	johnarcher	i am currently contacting you from a chromebook that is running arch
2024-07-22 00:59:51	thingfish	nice
2024-07-22 01:00:20	throstur	I recommend installing weechat, it's better than the web application by far :)
2024-07-22 01:00:30	archdemon	indeed
2024-07-22 01:00:34	johnarcher	weechat is what im using
2024-07-22 01:00:34	archdemon	weechat is a must
2024-07-22 01:00:44	archdemon	good stuff
2024-07-22 01:00:52	throstur	good, you're at least halfway to a full installation then
2024-07-22 01:02:35	archdemon	look what you did throstur 
2024-07-22 01:02:44	thingfish	lol
2024-07-22 01:03:04	throstur	what *I* did?
2024-07-22 01:03:15	rcf	You should both be deeply ashamed. 
2024-07-22 01:03:23	archdemon	yeah thingfish 
2024-07-22 01:03:43	throstur	he was just reconnecting with ipv6
2024-07-22 01:06:03	violetjewel	I have an onyx tablet .. an boox go 10.3 .. runs android 11. I can't find it. it doesn't show up in /dev or with lsblk obviously. I set my bf up on ubuntu. He's not tech savvy at all, but he plugged his boox go 10.3 in, and it just showed up (I would assume as a notification or in the file explorer). So, I'm confused. idk where to look
2024-07-22 01:06:24	violetjewel	and I did set up my bf on arch first, but it caused complications, so ubuntu it is - don't judge me
2024-07-22 01:07:18	throstur	probably an ARM device? I faintly recall there being another channel for Archlinux ARM that can probably help you if you want assistance with that
2024-07-22 01:35:29	Edu4rdSHL	violetjewel, if you're on Ubuntu then ask Ubuntu for support
2024-07-22 03:17:03	gehidore	from what I'm reading violetjewel is saying that it works on ubuntu to show up as a block device, but does not on arch
2024-07-22 03:17:49	gehidore	violetjewel does it show up in lsusb?
2024-07-22 03:30:52	violetjewel	gehidore: yes! it shows up as Qualcomm, Inc. {something} [Nokia 8]
2024-07-22 03:32:05	violetjewel	please hate me, but I got an iphone a long time ago (despite using linux only for years), so I don't know anything about android devices. I'll be trying to figure out how to mount it.
2024-07-22 03:33:05	Scimmia	It likely uses MTP, not UMS
2024-07-22 03:33:25	MacGyver	Hasn't directly mounting Android devices been impossible since, like, Android 6?
2024-07-22 03:33:41	violetjewel	Edu4rdSHL: I'm on archlinux, so I'm asking in #archlinux for archlinux support.
2024-07-22 03:33:48	MacGyver	I recall having to mess around with MTP-filesystem-stuff from the AUR.
2024-07-22 03:34:18	MacGyver	Nowadays I just use adb as a poor-man's FTP interface.
2024-07-22 03:34:56	violetjewel	aur/mtp-tools?
2024-07-22 03:35:52	Scimmia	IIRC, there's a wiki page about mtp
2024-07-22 03:35:59	Scimmia	it should give options
2024-07-22 03:36:00	violetjewel	extra/android-tools .. and I'll see what I can do with that.
2024-07-22 03:36:22	MacGyver	violetjewel: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Media_Transfer_Protocol
2024-07-22 03:36:23	phrik	Title: Media Transfer Protocol - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-22 03:36:42	MacGyver	It looks like there's a few things in the official repos as well nowadays.
2024-07-22 03:37:44	violetjewel	well, thank goodness I set my bf up with Ubuntu I hate to say it. I didn't know he had it made in the shade. Plug and go. :-)
2024-07-22 03:38:07	violetjewel	thanks for the help. I'm sure I will be able to get it from here. Y'all are da best
2024-07-22 03:38:53	virtualsid	I find the 'things don't work automagically' a feature of Arch - didn't realise that it worked that way until I started installing it, violetjewel :)
2024-07-22 03:38:56	Scimmia	Nothing wrong with using the correct tool for the job. Arch is not always that tool
2024-07-22 03:39:13	gehidore	^^
2024-07-22 03:39:18	MacGyver	Sometimes you just need a cantilever.
2024-07-22 03:39:45	gehidore	sometimes you need a rock or a hammer
2024-07-22 03:40:56	violetjewel	that's a great philosophy until you plug a device that's a month old into your computer and have to trawl the internet trying to understand everything about everything (or have a hivemind of smarter people who know how to integrate with said devices in ... oh idk a relayed chat on the internet *shrug*)
2024-07-22 03:40:59	mefistofeles	all you need is love
2024-07-22 03:41:47	virtualsid	s/love/the wiki/
2024-07-22 03:42:18	violetjewel	btw the boox go 10.3 is an excellent device for reading and note taking. I was so impressed I got one as a gift for the beefie ^_^
2024-07-22 03:42:47	violetjewel	it also weirds me out a tiny bit seeing "The Linux Foundation" in lsusb
2024-07-22 03:43:17	virtualsid	oh, this one is way more affordable than another one I looked at recently. Bookmarked :)
2024-07-22 03:44:07	violetjewel	I know it's because they own Linus at this point, but also idk if you all saw the recent "Linux Sucks" by Lunderduke or w/e his name is ... I really hope that smart people figure smart things out before the Linux Foundation adopts Linux maintenance ... I know it can be forked, but ... >n<
2024-07-22 03:44:51	virtualsid	who..?
2024-07-22 03:44:57	virtualsid	this chat might be better in #archlinux-offtopic btw :)
2024-07-22 03:45:27	violetjewel	Brian Lunduke ... sorry ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58mLZyShQjQ ... that's the extend of what I'll say.
2024-07-22 03:45:28	phrik	Title: - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
2024-07-22 03:46:12	virtualsid	ohhh, I only heard of this guy recently. That's also all I will say. ;)
2024-07-22 03:47:09	mefistofeles	he's been around for a wile, used to be a popular archlinux advocate
2024-07-22 03:49:03	violetjewel	aft-mtp-mount ~/mnt worked like a charm. I know it's a mess, but fuse is awesome ^_^ thanks again
2024-07-22 03:49:19	mefistofeles	nice
2024-07-22 03:49:35	mefistofeles	violetjewel: but wait, what did you have to install in the end?
2024-07-22 03:49:50	violetjewel	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Media_Transfer_Protocol#Android_File_Transfer
2024-07-22 03:49:50	phrik	Title: Media Transfer Protocol - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-22 03:49:57	mefistofeles	ah gotcha, ok
2024-07-22 03:50:00	virtualsid	good to know!
2024-07-22 03:50:56	violetjewel	extra/android-file-transfer .. I had also just installed extra/android-tools just before
2024-07-22 03:51:50	violetjewel	and sorry mtp is awesome .. not fuse
2024-07-22 03:57:58	Murray7501	I use thunar with my android phone
2024-07-22 03:58:36	mefistofeles	yea, I guess that uses gvfs or similar
2024-07-22 04:22:52	xgpt	hey! is linux-firmware available on the default arch linux .iso? also does archinstall install said linux-firmware package? I'm getting a framework laptop in the mail in a few days and I'm trying to get ready for the installation. I've been using Arch on my intel NUC for a few months...a year? quite a while now successfully. Looking to trial using
2024-07-22 04:22:52	xgpt	it as my main laptop OS for a while. Any recommendations?
2024-07-22 04:24:15	Scimmia	xgpt: yes, linux-firmware is installed on the ISO. No clue what archinstall does
2024-07-22 04:26:41	xgpt	Scimmia , how do I figure out what archinstall does and where do I get *friendly* advice on it's use?
2024-07-22 04:27:03	Scimmia	no idea
2024-07-22 04:27:42	Scimmia	but  really, why does it matter? If it didn't install it, you just install it yourself
2024-07-22 04:41:51	xgpt	oh, just lack of internet access during the installation
2024-07-22 04:42:34	xgpt	I've purchased the AMD version, which comes with a funky mediatek wifi adapter, I believe the drivers are in the mainline kernel, but I read something about needing linux-firmware. If that's not installed by default I can't download it separately 
2024-07-22 04:42:54	xgpt	no ethernet adapter on the unit. No usb-ethernet adapter in my house.
2024-07-22 04:43:03	xgpt	it'll probably work but...who knows?!
2024-07-22 04:43:28	thingfish	xgpt: don't know how active it is, but there are people in #archinstall
2024-07-22 04:44:53	Scimmia	If you don't have internet access, you can't do anything. There are no packages on the ISO, you MUST download them
2024-07-22 04:44:57	thingfish	yes
2024-07-22 04:45:57	virtualsid	xgpt: I just looked at my arch install log. linux-firmware seems to have been on the iso.
2024-07-22 04:46:11	Scimmia	virtualsid: no
2024-07-22 04:46:19	Scimmia	not the way they mean, at least
2024-07-22 04:48:59	Scimmia	well, I shouldn't say that, if your install is 15 years old or something, it's possible
2024-07-22 04:49:18	virtualsid	I didn't use archinstall, but my first line is: [2024-02-17T00:51:22+1100] [PACMAN] Running 'pacman -r /mnt -Sy --config=/etc/pacman.conf --cachedir=/mnt/var/cache/pacman/pkg --noconfirm base linux linux-firmware' - or was xgpt asking if the bootable iso itself loads the firmware.... hmm
2024-07-22 04:50:20	Scimmia	right, and it downloaded the packages to do that, as there are no packages on the ISO
2024-07-22 04:53:44	virtualsid	ugh, my bad, sorry. I clearly mis-remembered the install experience. Sorry for the noise folks.
2024-07-22 04:59:47	Scimmia	https://archlinux.org/news/install-media-20120715-released/ almost exactly 12 years ago "Media containing the [core] repository are no longer provided."
2024-07-22 04:59:48	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Install media 2012.07.15 released (at archlinux.org)
2024-07-22 05:00:07	virtualsid	Scimmia: heh :)
2024-07-22 05:06:51	xgpt	thanks thingfish!
2024-07-22 05:07:35	xgpt	virtualsid , i was indeed asking if the bootable iso would load the correct firmware for the amd framework laptop
2024-07-22 05:08:54	Scimmia	and it will, as I said, it's installed on the ISO, but the statment about "can't download it separately" is the issue
2024-07-22 05:09:13	Scimmia	there is no separately, *everything* is downloaded
2024-07-22 05:10:55	Scimmia	if you can install Arch, you can install whatever packages you want
2024-07-22 05:12:54	Betal	is there a way to prevent some services to spam the log and delete old logs? like using a diff journal file for given services?
2024-07-22 05:31:18	Betal	maybe I should try to setup namespaces
2024-07-22 05:42:09	glitsj16	Betal: Have you looked into StandardOutput/StandardError options yet?
2024-07-22 05:43:02	glitsj16	Betal: Those relate to the 'prevent' part of your question
2024-07-22 06:05:29	Betal	glitsj16: I think I can see what you mean, like StandardOutput=file:somewhere.log, so it don't spam the journal, (I really wanted to keep loggin to journal, but have a limit for given services/user services)
2024-07-22 06:11:30	glitsj16	Betal: There's indeed also journal namespaces. If you start a systemd-journald@foo.service and refer to that in the unit file via LogNamespace=foo, it'll be located in /var/log/journal/MACHINE_ID.foo
2024-07-22 06:14:00	glitsj16	I use the StandardOutput method on a service so I could control it's logging with the traditional logrotate options
2024-07-22 06:16:45	glitsj16	Took me some time to work it all out, but man systemd.exec and systemd-journald have all the details
2024-07-22 07:44:42	Root-Atlas	I need an opinion
2024-07-22 07:44:43	Root-Atlas	https://0x0.st/XpBT.txt
2024-07-22 07:44:45	Root-Atlas	for this
2024-07-22 07:49:54	nortega	Root-Atlas: what's this for?
2024-07-22 07:50:14	Root-Atlas	nortega, I'm planning on using 2 mounts to access archlinux
2024-07-22 07:50:41	Root-Atlas	1st disk for root and 2nd disk for home
2024-07-22 07:51:05	nortega	I'm confused. Am I supposed to be looking at the plan below?
2024-07-22 07:51:10	Root-Atlas	I'm thinking on how I should partition them
2024-07-22 07:51:14	Root-Atlas	yee
2024-07-22 07:51:33	nortega	Ah, ok.
2024-07-22 07:51:56	nortega	How much RAM does this computer have?
2024-07-22 07:52:01	Root-Atlas	16
2024-07-22 07:52:06	Root-Atlas	planning on getting more soon
2024-07-22 07:52:09	Root-Atlas	oh hold on..
2024-07-22 07:52:13	Root-Atlas	lemme just...
2024-07-22 07:53:33	Root-Atlas	https://0x0.st/XpBa.png
2024-07-22 07:53:40	nortega	If you have 16-32G of RAM I'd suggest at least 16G of swap.
2024-07-22 07:54:43	Root-Atlas	nani?!
2024-07-22 07:54:49	Root-Atlas	16Gb of Swap?
2024-07-22 07:55:04	Root-Atlas	ls
2024-07-22 07:55:21	nortega	You said you might be upgrading the RAM, and I'm guessing that means from 16 to 32G.
2024-07-22 07:55:31	Root-Atlas	yes
2024-07-22 07:55:36	nortega	If you're sticking with 16G then 8G should be enough for swap.
2024-07-22 07:55:43	Root-Atlas	definitely gonna get more RAM next month or 2
2024-07-22 07:55:52	nortega	Then yes, 16G swap.
2024-07-22 07:56:10	Root-Atlas	this is the 1st I have read of such shinanagans
2024-07-22 07:56:15	Root-Atlas	half of RAM for swap?
2024-07-22 07:56:27	nortega	Half your RAM is generally a good idea, especially if you plan on doing any hibernation.
2024-07-22 07:56:28	thingfish	yeah that seems excessive
2024-07-22 07:56:39	thingfish	hibernation makes a difference, yes
2024-07-22 07:56:51	Root-Atlas	I have a laptop..
2024-07-22 07:57:29	nortega	It all depends on your usage. If you're going to hibernate then absolutely yes, 16G.
2024-07-22 07:57:57	nortega	On my desktop computer I have 16G RAM and no swap because I don't hibernate and I'm usually using very little RAM anyways.
2024-07-22 07:58:06	Root-Atlas	I've been surviving with 4Gb of SWAP
2024-07-22 07:58:46	Root-Atlas	my 1st setup didn't have swap. but I got annoyed of having to reopen my browsers on firefox
2024-07-22 07:58:47	thingfish	my swap is similarly sized: 4.5 GB
2024-07-22 07:58:49	Root-Atlas	so swap it
2024-07-22 07:59:05	Root-Atlas	got sidetracked
2024-07-22 07:59:11	Root-Atlas	about the partitioning
2024-07-22 07:59:17	nortega	Oh well, do what you want with the swap, the rest seems perfectly fine.
2024-07-22 08:00:17	Root-Atlas	https://0x0.st/XpBT.txt this is fine?
2024-07-22 08:03:46	nortega	It's the exact same link.
2024-07-22 08:04:13	Root-Atlas	yeah
2024-07-22 08:04:34	Root-Atlas	I'm abit worried about the partition cuz I don't want my normal user on the root directory
2024-07-22 08:04:41	Root-Atlas	does it autoconnect when I sddm?
2024-07-22 08:04:57	Root-Atlas	it's my 1st time installing on 2 drives at the same time
2024-07-22 08:06:07	nortega	Root-Atlas: the drives should be automounted at startup because they'll be in your /etc/fstab
2024-07-22 08:07:04	Root-Atlas	oh ok, good
2024-07-22 08:07:27	nortega	Another option, if you're not too sure about the setup, is to use LVM which will allow you to more easily change partitions and partition sizes later on.
2024-07-22 08:08:12	Root-Atlas	I'm using external SSD to bootup archlinux
2024-07-22 08:08:40	nortega	External?
2024-07-22 08:08:51	Root-Atlas	/dev/sdb is external
2024-07-22 08:09:06	nortega	I see.
2024-07-22 08:10:50	Root-Atlas	for / filesystem, do I need to add anything special to it?
2024-07-22 08:11:22	nortega	What do you mean?
2024-07-22 08:12:00	Root-Atlas	https://0x0.st/XpBW.png
2024-07-22 08:12:02	Root-Atlas	this
2024-07-22 08:12:40	nortega	Yeah, I've seen it. What do you mean "anything special?
2024-07-22 08:12:42	nortega	"
2024-07-22 08:13:04	Root-Atlas	/mnt/root
2024-07-22 08:13:36	nortega	Okay, I'm going to say no. Nothing special is needed.
2024-07-22 08:13:48	Root-Atlas	just plain linux filesystem, huh?
2024-07-22 08:13:54	nortega	Yes.
2024-07-22 08:14:07	nortega	They could pretty much all be ext4.
2024-07-22 08:17:51	Root-Atlas	https://0x0.st/XpBv.txt
2024-07-22 08:17:55	Root-Atlas	like so, yeah?
2024-07-22 08:19:07	nortega	Looks good.
2024-07-22 08:19:41	Root-Atlas	even the linux home?
2024-07-22 08:20:00	nortega	Yeah. Nothing wrong with it.
2024-07-22 08:20:25	nortega	Just make sure to make the filesystem (i.e. `mkfs.ext4 <partition>`)
2024-07-22 08:21:31	Root-Atlas	yeah
2024-07-22 08:21:36	Root-Atlas	mkfs.ext4
2024-07-22 08:32:24	Root-Atlas	partitioning is done.
2024-07-22 08:32:28	Root-Atlas	now the mount...
2024-07-22 08:38:12	virtualsid	Not sure where to start looking here, but if someone has some pointers, I'd appreciate it. I use i3, Firefox, and Kitty. I'm on an nvidia card, usin the nvidia kernel module (the proprietary one, right?). Issue: when I plug in my 4K monitor to my laptop, when switching workspaces *to* firefox, there's a lag/delay - and sometimes this causes my session to freeze until I unplug the HDMI and
2024-07-22 08:38:12	virtualsid	reconnect. 
2024-07-22 08:38:18	virtualsid	If I'm just on the (1080p) laptop display, no such lag, no issues.
2024-07-22 08:38:28	virtualsid	I'm using autorandr to manually switch to the external monitor.
2024-07-22 08:39:04	virtualsid	Oh, no lag is seen when switching between workspaces with Kitty, steam, freecad. There's an ever so slight delay when switching to thunderbird though.
2024-07-22 08:39:18	virtualsid	of course, it's not consistent.
2024-07-22 08:40:39	mefistofeles	virtualsid: hmm does the resolution of the external display affects this lag?
2024-07-22 08:40:42	mefistofeles	affect*
2024-07-22 08:41:28	virtualsid	mefistofeles: unclear. the laptop copes with 4K 60hz fine in general - like I say, zero lag when switching to the other GUI apps
2024-07-22 08:42:10	virtualsid	also, right this minute, instant switching to Firefox too, but when I was writing the first line, I was switching around testing, and it was very laggy :P
2024-07-22 08:42:51	virtualsid	ps. also only using one screen at a time. The internal laptop display is currently not being used.
2024-07-22 08:43:14	Root-Atlas	about the genfstab part
2024-07-22 08:43:20	mefistofeles	virtualsid: oh ok, sounds like a non-issue or just a cache thing?
2024-07-22 08:43:57	virtualsid	mefistofeles: unsure. switching kitty <-> firefox multiple times, they were all slow until a few minutes ago. I imagine it'll get slow again a bit later :P
2024-07-22 08:43:58	Root-Atlas	genfstab -U /mnt/home > /mnt/etc/fstab ?? is this how it's supposed to go to the /home disk? 
2024-07-22 08:44:18	mefistofeles	virtualsid: hmm
2024-07-22 08:44:29	Root-Atlas	genfstab -U /mnt/home > /mnt/home/etc/fstab
2024-07-22 08:45:15	mefistofeles	Root-Atlas: are you installing arch?
2024-07-22 08:45:49	Root-Atlas	2 disk setup
2024-07-22 08:45:59	Root-Atlas	1st disk root and 2nd disk /home
2024-07-22 08:46:04	virtualsid	mefistofeles: okay, this is mad. I've never had it be this consistently good. It's almost like it's aware I'm asking questions about how to fix it, and now it's gaslighting me :P
2024-07-22 08:46:19	mefistofeles	virtualsid: my presence does that sometimes
2024-07-22 08:46:30	virtualsid	mefistofeles: hehe. I have that with friends! :-D
2024-07-22 08:47:25	mefistofeles	Root-Atlas: ok, well, there's no need to have etc/fstab on home, that should be on /
2024-07-22 08:47:39	mefistofeles	if that's what you are asking
2024-07-22 08:48:37	Root-Atlas	https://0x0.st/XpMP.txt
2024-07-22 08:48:39	Root-Atlas	here
2024-07-22 08:49:54	Root-Atlas	I have 2 disk inside my laptop
2024-07-22 08:50:04	mefistofeles	yeah, I can see that, what about it?
2024-07-22 08:50:37	Root-Atlas	do I need to fstab /home to be able to automount and login user on the 1TB drive?
2024-07-22 08:51:02	mefistofeles	no
2024-07-22 08:51:33	mefistofeles	fstab should go under etc dir, which is commonly on your root 
2024-07-22 08:52:20	virtualsid	you need to add /home to your /etc/fstab though, yes.
2024-07-22 08:52:41	mefistofeles	right, the entry
2024-07-22 08:53:50	virtualsid	so genfstab -U /mnt, based on your last paste should be what you need in your fstab. Check the output, if it looks okay, then just add '> /mnt/etc/fstab'
2024-07-22 08:54:09	virtualsid	sorry! >> not > - if I follow https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Genfstab
2024-07-22 08:54:10	phrik	Title: genfstab - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-22 08:54:45	Root-Atlas	ouf
2024-07-22 08:55:01	Root-Atlas	alright, thnx
2024-07-22 08:55:05	Root-Atlas	need to redo it
2024-07-22 08:56:13	virtualsid	g'luck
2024-07-22 09:03:09	patkoscsaba	Quick question. I have issues with the Nvidia 555 drivers, so I downgraded to 550 and added the nvidia packages to IgnorePKG in /etc/pacman.conf. However, now it seems like pacman is reporting no updates for my system. Is there a way to update the rest of the system while ignoring the nvidia drivers?
2024-07-22 09:12:28	novns	updated orc (0.4.38-1 -> 0.4.39-1) breaks mpv
2024-07-22 09:12:52	novns	I cannot login into gitlab, and I cannot repoert the issue properly
2024-07-22 09:12:58	novns	*report
2024-07-22 09:13:08	mpan	Updating rn, lemme confirm.
2024-07-22 09:13:33	novns	downgrading orc solves the issue, and the issue is some random segfaults
2024-07-22 09:14:32	mpan	Oh, if they are random, then it may be harder to confirm. Ok. I don’t see issues straight away.
2024-07-22 09:14:35	novns	mpan, mpv works for a while, then segfaults
2024-07-22 09:14:42	mpan	ok
2024-07-22 09:16:15	mpan	There is also #archlinux-bugs.
2024-07-22 09:17:28	novns	!paste
2024-07-22 09:17:29	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-07-22 09:17:37	mpan	novns: wait
2024-07-22 09:17:42	mpan	novns: mpv is not dependent on orc…
2024-07-22 09:18:09	novns	mpan, but downgrading orc solves this
2024-07-22 09:18:28	novns	so it could be gstreamer or something
2024-07-22 09:18:41	mpan	gstreamer is, but mpv doesn’t use gstreamer either.
2024-07-22 09:19:11	novns	https://0x0.st/XpM1.txt
2024-07-22 09:21:27	mpan	Maybe some interplay with another component, that uses orc?
2024-07-22 09:24:55	novns	pipewire?
2024-07-22 09:25:30	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-07-22 09:25:34	mpan	Possibly
2024-07-22 09:25:50	novns	mpan, I've wrote in #archlinux-bugs, the maintainer of orc is there
2024-07-22 09:25:55	mpan	I’m just noting that mpv itself is not expected to include orc directly.
2024-07-22 09:25:57	mpan	ok, I will move there too
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2024-07-22 10:01:27	MrElendig	patkoscsaba: will break the second you update the kernel
2024-07-22 10:01:45	MrElendig	unless you use dkms
2024-07-22 10:02:02	Edu4rdSHL	I would be more interested on the "issues"
2024-07-22 10:02:03	MrElendig	(if if you use dkms it will still break, but it will take slightly longer before doing so=
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2024-07-22 10:25:51	patkoscsaba	Edu4rdSHL: My issue is this: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=297760
2024-07-22 10:25:52	phrik	Title: Nvidia 555.58.2 + Secondary monitor on Thunderbolt not working / Laptop Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-07-22 10:26:39	Edu4rdSHL	patkoscsaba, I see, someone mentioned it days ago (not sure if it were you)
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2024-07-22 10:28:19	patkoscsaba	MrElendig: Thanks for the info. I am using nvidia-dkms. And I initially updated and got 555. Then I downgraded with pacman downgrade nvidia-... and then added the nvidia-... packages to the pacman igrone list. Since then pacman reports no updates for my system.
2024-07-22 10:28:47	patkoscsaba	Edu4rdSHL: It wasn't me. I haven't been here in the chat since last year in September or something like that.
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2024-07-22 10:30:14	patkoscsaba	So, just to make sure I understand it correctly. Right now I am stuck on nvidia 550 drivers and I can't update anything on my Arch until this is fixed? Except AUR packages of course.
2024-07-22 10:30:49	Edu4rdSHL	Technically if you hold all the nvidia-related packages you can continue updating normally
2024-07-22 10:31:08	patkoscsaba	Well pacman says I have no updates.
2024-07-22 10:31:19	Edu4rdSHL	Update your mirror
2024-07-22 10:31:27	MrElendig	until it breaks due to a too new kernel/glibc/similar
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2024-07-22 10:32:31	patkoscsaba	!paste
2024-07-22 10:32:31	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-07-22 11:44:36	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-07-22 11:32:07	gromit	NetSysFire: did you already set "-g --call-graph dwarf"? 
2024-07-22 11:32:09	gromit	https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10933408/how-can-i-get-perf-to-find-symbols-in-my-program
2024-07-22 11:32:10	phrik	Title: linux - How can I get perf to find symbols in my program - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
2024-07-22 11:39:19	phrik	Title: View paste YIDA (at bpa.st)
2024-07-22 11:42:47	gromit	NetSysFire: but don't you need the debug info for the dependencies instead of godot itself here? 
2024-07-22 11:42:59	gromit	except if this is some vendored stuff
2024-07-22 11:44:39	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-07-22 12:48:13	gromit	did you do a "perf buildid-list" and check that for all the build id's there is debug info? 
2024-07-22 12:48:20	gromit	http://blog.vmsplice.net/2021/12/how-to-add-debuginfo-to-perf1.html
2024-07-22 12:48:21	phrik	Title: Stefan Hajnoczi: How to add debuginfo to perf(1) (at blog.vmsplice.net)
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2024-07-22 13:30:57	ambos	hi, should kernel parameters be put into /etc/default/grub or in /etc/modprobe.d/ configuration files?
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2024-07-22 13:32:48	ambos	I currently have nvidia_drm.modeset=1 in my GRUB config but I don't know if I should use modprobe instead to load the Nvidia module
2024-07-22 13:33:10	astralc	module parameters or kernel command line?
2024-07-22 13:33:11	Namarrgon	That depends a bit on what you're trying to do but kernel module parameters can go in either place, pick which ever is more convenient.
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2024-07-22 13:34:21	astralc	the nvidia one have some caveats if you use modprobe.d, I use the kernel command line , didn't tried modprobe way yet
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2024-07-22 13:37:32	Namarrgon	The cmdline is often used for critical stuff like gpu drivers because you can edit it from the bootloader menu, e.g. removing an option when it causes a problem.
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2024-07-22 13:40:58	heat	nvidia_drm.modeset=1 != modprobe
2024-07-22 13:41:30	heat	it's not a replacement in any way, it's a kernel parameter, it's applied on modprobe or if the module was built in to the kernel (the nvidia module obviously isn't)
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2024-07-22 13:41:47	ambos	Namarrgon: that's what I was thinking about, I set the parameter once in my GRUB config and never touched it again
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2024-07-22 13:42:30	ambos	dunno if enabling DRM is considered critical though
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2024-07-22 13:43:48	astralc	if it breaks and you have no display, it is critical
2024-07-22 13:44:08	phrik	Title: View paste MQU64K5KVBEY2TV6E4AGQI5HV4 (at bpa.st)
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2024-07-22 13:46:47	batbrat	Hi everyone! Is anyone here using KeePassXC on Wayland? 
2024-07-22 13:46:56	Antiz	batbrat: Yup
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2024-07-22 13:47:33	ambos	heat: I wanted to create a config file inside /etc/modprobe.d/ with "options nvidia_drm modeset=1" inside it and thought it was another way to enable DRM
2024-07-22 13:47:37	batbrat	Awesome! Are there any major issues or gotchas to watch out for? I know some stuff like auto-type doesn't work.
2024-07-22 13:47:48	ambos	I know it's a different thing
2024-07-22 13:47:57	heat	yeah... i realized later on
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2024-07-22 13:48:54	ambos	np
2024-07-22 13:49:05	Antiz	batbrat: Not that I know of... You need the qt5-wayland wayland for it to work properly under wayland (as with any QT application) but, other than that, nothing to declare :P
2024-07-22 13:50:03	Antiz	qt5-wayland package*
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2024-07-22 13:52:52	batbrat	Antiz: Thanks. Is the autotype actually working for you then? That is super encouraging to hear
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2024-07-22 13:56:55	Antiz	batbrat: Well, I don't use autotype to be honest... I'm still copy pasting like a cave man :P (my apps are sandboxed so I'm afraid autotype won't work for me anyway)
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2024-07-22 13:57:40	batbrat	Thanks again. How do you ensure that your clipboard is cleared so that other apps cannot access it?
2024-07-22 13:57:41	astralc	not even browser extensions?
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2024-07-22 13:58:42	Antiz	batbrat: Keepassxc clears the clipboard automatically after a few seconds
2024-07-22 13:58:55	batbrat	I haven't considered sandboxing my apps, to be honest. I also intend to play games on Linux, and I don't think those will work within a sandbox anyway.
2024-07-22 13:59:05	batbrat	That is awesome. I'll keep that in mind Antiz.
2024-07-22 13:59:19	Antiz	batbrat: I play games with steam sandboxed without any issues :)
2024-07-22 13:59:36	Antiz	batbrat: I'm using firejail for sandboxing (in case you wanna take a look at it)
2024-07-22 14:00:12	Antiz	astralc: When, doesn't the extension need to communicate with the keepassxc instance running locally somehow? If not, I'm afraid it won't work with the sandboxing
2024-07-22 14:00:19	Antiz	s/When/Well
2024-07-22 14:00:52	Antiz	-if not +if it does
2024-07-22 14:01:30	batbrat	Antiz, thanks for the encouragement. I was planning to look at Firejail or Bubblewrap myself, but decided against it. I'll check it out. 
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2024-07-22 14:02:46	Antiz	batbrat: Up to you, I just was just giving you what I personally use ^^ No problem ;)
2024-07-22 14:02:55	batbrat	Honestly, there is so much to learn and configure that it's all a bit overwhelming sometimes. On the flip side, I am super happy because I'm taking the time to fill in gaps in my knowledge.
2024-07-22 14:03:35	⚡ 	batbrat gives a thumbs-up to Antiz
2024-07-22 14:04:00	Antiz	Sure, one step at the time! No need to burn your brain with too much information at once :D
2024-07-22 14:04:07	batbrat	LOL :) Amen to that
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2024-07-22 14:04:54	batbrat	Do you use KDE, or a compositor like Sway or Hyprland? I've tried Hyprland briefly before and I liked it. 
2024-07-22 14:04:55	⚡ 	Antiz is grateful :)
2024-07-22 14:05:05	Antiz	I'm using sway
2024-07-22 14:05:38	batbrat	Nice
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2024-07-22 15:13:49	batbrat	I accidentally killed a pacman install in the middle of installing my drivers. [(3/3) Install DKMS  Modules ==> dkms-install -no-depmod nvidia.555.58.2 -k 6.9.10-arch1-1 ==> depmod 6.9.10-arch1-1] I can't believe I was this stupid. I believe that uninstalling the nvidia-dkms pacakge, and re-installing it, will fix this because it will re-run mkinitcpio. Is there anything else I should be doing.
2024-07-22 15:13:49	batbrat	Sorry 
2024-07-22 15:13:55	batbrat	for the trouble.
2024-07-22 15:14:21	violetjewel	got it. enabled debug mode via app managemnet settings. pretty obvious. sorry. ty.
2024-07-22 15:15:08	Antiz	batbrat: So it is the mkinitcpio run that got killed?
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2024-07-22 15:15:35	Antiz	If so, you can just rerun manually: `mkinitcpio -P`
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2024-07-22 15:15:58	edt	how can i see what is causing pacman to timeout in Refreshing PackageKit...
2024-07-22 15:16:34	Antiz	batbrat: If you killed it while it was installing the driver, you should just be able to reinstall it with `pacman -S package`
2024-07-22 15:16:53	mpan	edt: what is the full message you get? Please post it here or in a sane paste service:
2024-07-22 15:16:56	mpan	!paste
2024-07-22 15:16:57	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-07-22 15:17:00	batbrat	Antiz, thank you. I'll try the re-installation.
2024-07-22 15:18:44	edt	:: Running post-transaction hooks...
2024-07-22 15:18:44	edt	(1/3) Arming ConditionNeedsUpdate...
2024-07-22 15:18:44	edt	(2/3) Refreshing PackageKit...
2024-07-22 15:18:44	edt	Error: Timeout was reached
2024-07-22 15:18:44	edt	error: command failed to execute correctly
2024-07-22 15:18:45	edt	(3/3) Checking which packages need to be rebuilt
2024-07-22 15:19:12	Namarrgon	batbrat: Does 'dkms status' report the modules as installed for all relevant kernels?
2024-07-22 15:19:18	mpan	edt: well “up to 3 lines”. Otherwise EMIYA the bot will kick you. :)
2024-07-22 15:19:45	Namarrgon	That is not pacman output, is it?
2024-07-22 15:20:04	edt	I have libassuan updated to 3.0.0 and pacman is working except for this timeout
2024-07-22 15:20:25	Namarrgon	Ah, nvm, packagekit was the other thing.
2024-07-22 15:21:02	mpan	edt: is packagekit service running?
2024-07-22 15:22:14	edt	mpan nope, Failed to load the backend: opening module alpm failed : libassuan.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2024-07-22 15:22:34	mpan	What’s the version reported by: pacman -Q packagekit
2024-07-22 15:22:49	edt	packagekit-1.2.8-8
2024-07-22 15:23:37	batbrat	Namarragon, I listed pacman output in my first message. As for dkms status, I did not check. I ended up re-installing the package, and it looks good now. I'll double check dkms status and report
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2024-07-22 15:24:04	mpan	edt: I would say you still have a partial upgrade or replaced some critical, official packages with your own and failed to rebuild them.
2024-07-22 15:24:32	batbrat	dkms status shows that the drivers are installed for the linux kernel, which is the only one I have for now. I intend to try out others in the future. 
2024-07-22 15:24:54	jelle	packagekit links to libalpm
2024-07-22 15:24:56	edt	mpan could be.  just trying to see what it could be
2024-07-22 15:25:08	mpan	edt: earlier I mentioned pactree from pacman-contrib.
2024-07-22 15:25:14	mpan	Did you try it?
2024-07-22 15:25:29	batbrat	Antiz, I was not entirely certain that the mkinitcpio process was the one stopped. It stopped right before the mkinitcpio process starts, but I wasn't sure that the installing DKMS modules part completed successfully. To be safe, I went with re-installation.
2024-07-22 15:25:48	Antiz	batbrat: Sure, before safe than sorry :)
2024-07-22 15:26:01	batbrat	Indeed, thank you again.
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2024-07-22 15:26:07	Antiz	You're welcome
2024-07-22 15:26:22	edt	reinstalled packagekit and restart the daemon, all seems good now.  thanks
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2024-07-22 15:26:26	Namarrgon	(3/3) implies that the dkms hook was the last one and mkinitcpio was not queued up.
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2024-07-22 15:31:46	Root-Atlas	Need an opinion for this
2024-07-22 15:31:48	Root-Atlas	https://0x0.st/XpQw.txt
2024-07-22 15:32:50	Root-Atlas	Will it workout if I genfstab another drive for /home user's environment?
2024-07-22 15:33:21	Namarrgon	I'm not sure i understand the last question.
2024-07-22 15:33:48	Namarrgon	The stuff in the paste will work, though.
2024-07-22 15:34:04	Namarrgon	How large are the nvme and sata disks?
2024-07-22 15:34:20	Root-Atlas	240Gb or sl
2024-07-22 15:34:23	Root-Atlas	Or so
2024-07-22 15:34:28	Root-Atlas	That's for root
2024-07-22 15:34:40	Namarrgon	No second OS?
2024-07-22 15:34:51	Root-Atlas	what you mean?
2024-07-22 15:34:56	Root-Atlas	I nuked windows
2024-07-22 15:35:12	Namarrgon	There will be only arch on that box?
2024-07-22 15:35:18	violetjewel	okay. I am very frustrated. I don't know wtf was happening. I ended up just using syncthing in the end after deleting the PDF, re-signing, and syncing again ... so frustrating ... the signature just wasn't attached to the pdf even though I could see it in the pdf on the tablet. it was like it was saved as a separate "doodle" and not on the pdf but for some reason trashing the whole pdf and using
2024-07-22 15:35:20	violetjewel	syncthing just worked.
2024-07-22 15:35:20	Root-Atlas	I already have archlinux setup on an external
2024-07-22 15:35:33	Root-Atlas	Namarrgon yes
2024-07-22 15:35:36	Root-Atlas	Just arch
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2024-07-22 15:36:00	batbrat	Namarrgon, thank you for pointing that out. I completely missed that it was 3/3 at the time I posted it.
2024-07-22 15:36:18	Namarrgon	Root-Atlas: I would then keep /home on the nvme disk, too, and use the sata disk only for bulk storage, mount to e.g. /home/Root-Atlas/pron
2024-07-22 15:36:44	Root-Atlas	I've been booting up from an external this whole time for the last 6 months. And I think it's finally time to convert my laptop to archlinux.  I plan on giving the 1st disk to root and 2nd disk to user
2024-07-22 15:36:56	Namarrgon	All your user's configs, caches, tmpfiles are in $HOME and will benefit from the nvme disk.
2024-07-22 15:36:59	Root-Atlas	they're both internal disks
2024-07-22 15:38:02	Namarrgon	And perhaps consider using a swap-file instead of a partition.
2024-07-22 15:38:06	Root-Atlas	I'm gonna turn my external into a snapshot disk
2024-07-22 15:38:35	Namarrgon	ext4 doesn't support "snapshots"
2024-07-22 15:38:48	Root-Atlas	ah
2024-07-22 15:38:57	Root-Atlas	I'll change that up to btrfs then
2024-07-22 15:38:59	Namarrgon	Unless you meant "backups"
2024-07-22 15:39:05	Root-Atlas	Yes. Backup
2024-07-22 15:39:26	Namarrgon	Maybe keep it simple and stick with ext4 then.
2024-07-22 15:39:35	Root-Atlas	right right
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2024-07-22 15:42:01	Root-Atlas	235Gb/nvme and 1Tb/SATA
2024-07-22 15:44:40	blscoe	Hi, why does helvum and wpctl status show less than GNOME Sound Input/Output?
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2024-07-22 15:45:47	blscoe	For example, I only see on device in wpctl status for hdmi controller but two monitors with buildin speakers in GNOME Sound Output.
2024-07-22 15:46:02	blscoe	one* device
2024-07-22 15:46:19	blscoe	built-in*
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2024-07-22 16:05:19	kelnoky	for a while now my PC won't wake up from suspend properly. The leds (on mouse/keyboard) turn back on, but the screen just stays black - I've tried switching to a different tty or killing X with a keyboard shortcut, but nothing works. I am at a loss as to how to troubleshoot this
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2024-07-22 16:06:41	Root-Atlas	How's this?  https://0x0.st/XpQh.txt
2024-07-22 16:07:27	Namarrgon	After the arch-chroot call the paths starting with /mnt are probably wrong.
2024-07-22 16:08:00	Namarrgon	When you change login shells make sure that they are listed in /etc/shells, or otherwise login will fail.
2024-07-22 16:08:22	Root-Atlas	🤔
2024-07-22 16:08:35	Namarrgon	Why are you changing the ownership of atlas' $HOME?
2024-07-22 16:08:57	Namarrgon	Are you reusing an old /home?
2024-07-22 16:09:04	Root-Atlas	oh no
2024-07-22 16:09:17	Root-Atlas	I guess ownership change isnt necessary
2024-07-22 16:09:23	Root-Atlas	Leaving that out
2024-07-22 16:09:24	Namarrgon	useradd -m will create the path with the correct owner.
2024-07-22 16:09:49	Namarrgon	You can still check this after calling useradd, it won't hurt.
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2024-07-22 16:11:04	Root-Atlas	I just want my application install and pkg that user install goes to the external
2024-07-22 16:11:14	Namarrgon	"-d /mnt/home/username" is probably not necessary either in this case
2024-07-22 16:11:14	Root-Atlas	And root has his own directory for the important stuff
2024-07-22 16:11:25	monkfish	more importantly, -d /mnt/home/username is ... unusual.
2024-07-22 16:11:26	Namarrgon	You mean root's $HOME?
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2024-07-22 16:11:52	Root-Atlas	I'll just "useradd -m -G wheel -s /bin/fish user"
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2024-07-22 16:12:07	Root-Atlas	yes, root's home
2024-07-22 16:12:52	Namarrgon	The root account and root's $HOME already exist, you don't have to worry about that. The root account has no password set, though.
2024-07-22 16:13:59	Root-Atlas	Oh I'll set that up for later
2024-07-22 16:14:04	Namarrgon	"cfdisk /dev/sda1" You want to partition the disk. not a partition
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2024-07-22 16:14:29	Root-Atlas	it's just partitioning. I use mkfs afterwards
2024-07-22 16:14:43	Namarrgon	Yes but if you run the above command you will end up with partitions inside of partitions.
2024-07-22 16:14:53	Root-Atlas	Ah
2024-07-22 16:15:35	Root-Atlas	Ah right
2024-07-22 16:15:43	Root-Atlas	Forgot to remove the 1
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2024-07-22 16:17:02	Root-Atlas	Just documenting my steps before proceeding
2024-07-22 16:17:10	Root-Atlas	Thanks for pointing thst out
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2024-07-22 16:19:44	llua	wait
2024-07-22 16:19:57	Namarrgon	mdraid?
2024-07-22 16:20:16	Namarrgon	That's normal.
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2024-07-22 16:22:24	llua	you can, if you happen to value data integrity less than using it
2024-07-22 16:24:08	Namarrgon	What type of raid are you rebuilding?
2024-07-22 16:24:24	Namarrgon	Three disk?
2024-07-22 16:24:26	llua	then it would
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2024-07-22 16:25:13	Namarrgon	It would still slow down the system while rebuilding on ssds, it would just be done sooner.
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2024-07-22 16:26:07	Namarrgon	You can limit the io load the rebuild causes but it then will take longer to complete.
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2024-07-22 16:27:36	Namarrgon	https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Resync
2024-07-22 16:27:37	phrik	Title: Resync - Linux Raid Wiki (at raid.wiki.kernel.org)
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2024-07-22 16:41:03	Vorpal	I'm a bit confused about ca-certificates vs ca-certificates-utils. I happened to be writing my own code traversing the dependency graph of installed packages and thought I had a bug in my code, but:
2024-07-22 16:41:04	Vorpal	ca-certificates is an empty package (depends on ca-certificates-mozilla), ca-certificate-utils provides ca-certificates (but not replaces)
2024-07-22 16:41:11	Vorpal	how is that supposed to work?
2024-07-22 16:41:47	Vorpal	I'm failing to see what that strange arrangement is supposed to accomplish
2024-07-22 16:41:48	MacGyver	Vorpal: ca-certificates can be provided by other packages.
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2024-07-22 16:42:34	Vorpal	hm can I list packages which provides it then? pacman -Ss doesn't seem to find any
2024-07-22 16:43:08	MacGyver	Vorpal: Currently only Mozilla's CA certificate store provides it in the official repos, but it leaves the option open for other providers.
2024-07-22 16:43:29	MacGyver	Or I'm bad at searching, that's another option.
2024-07-22 16:43:29	Vorpal	MacGyver: the -utils package has a provides for it though
2024-07-22 16:43:36	Vorpal	that is the plan I don't understand
2024-07-22 16:43:39	Vorpal	point*
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2024-07-22 16:44:49	MacGyver	Ah, my mistake, the -utils also provides it, you're right.
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2024-07-22 16:45:03	Vorpal	and that is the bit I do not understand
2024-07-22 16:45:14	Vorpal	(and why do I have both installed then??)
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2024-07-22 16:45:25	MacGyver	ca-certificates is not an empty package, though, is it?
2024-07-22 16:45:35	MacGyver	Sec.
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2024-07-22 16:45:43	Vorpal	-Ql doesn't lie
2024-07-22 16:45:54	MacGyver	Oh, it is indeed.
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2024-07-22 16:46:12	Vorpal	so why not make ca-certificates-mozilla provide ca-certificates and get rid of ca-certificates?
2024-07-22 16:46:14	MacGyver	Serves me right for checking on packages.al.org
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2024-07-22 16:47:45	Vorpal	also: pacman -Qtd apparently is conservative when multiple installed packages provide something. All providers are kept instead of noting that all but one of them could be uinstalled.
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2024-07-22 16:48:05	Vorpal	(that is how I found this, my code was not conservative in this case)
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2024-07-22 16:48:27	MacGyver	ca-certificates has an explicit conflict with ca-certificates-cacert of ten years ago.
2024-07-22 16:48:33	MacGyver	I'm guessing that's why.
2024-07-22 16:48:40	MacGyver	As in, why this came to be in the first place.
2024-07-22 16:48:48	Vorpal	ah, hm
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2024-07-22 16:49:09	MacGyver	See lines 87 and onwards of https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/ca-certificates/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads
2024-07-22 16:49:11	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / ca-certificates · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-07-22 16:51:28	Vorpal	this leads to a question: do I need both -mozilla and -utils installed? If both provides ca-certificates. Apparently I need -utils because of jdk (wish I didn't need JDK but that is another thing)
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2024-07-22 16:51:41	MacGyver	Good question.
2024-07-22 16:51:41	Vorpal	also mozilla depends on -utils?
2024-07-22 16:51:44	Vorpal	so uh
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2024-07-22 16:52:02	Vorpal	This is all a VERY confusing setup!
2024-07-22 16:52:05	megumin	how to run retroarch in xwayland?
2024-07-22 16:52:13	MacGyver	All the mozilla package actually puts in the system is usr/share/ca-certificates/trust-source/mozilla.trust.p11-kit
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2024-07-22 16:52:29	megumin	it uses 50% cpu in wayland
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2024-07-22 16:53:39	MacGyver	ca-certificates-utils *doesn't* ship anything in the trust-source directories though.
2024-07-22 16:53:47	jelle	megumin: when not emulating?
2024-07-22 16:53:51	Vorpal	I'm thinking that ca-certificate-utils providing ca-certificates is a bit fishy, the -utils package doesn't appear to come with a list of certificates? Just the tooling to manage it.
2024-07-22 16:54:12	MacGyver	Yeah I think they're *both* needed to actually have ca-certificates function as intended?
2024-07-22 16:54:44	MacGyver	So yeah... I wonder about the provides here too.
2024-07-22 16:55:01	megumin	when emulating too
2024-07-22 16:55:23	Vorpal	I'm still not entirely sure it isn't some piece of brilliant hack and I will get a snide comment if I report a bug about this
2024-07-22 16:56:18	MacGyver	It probably is, but it would be great if heftig could chime in on whether and where said brilliant hack is documented.
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2024-07-22 16:56:59	Vorpal	so you are saying that I should open a bug so you don't have to be the one to get a snide comment? ;)
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2024-07-22 16:58:35	batbrat	The Arch Wiki (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_module/Setting_module_optoins) says that I might need to include the names of conf files in /etc/modprobe.d in the FILES array of /etc/mkinitcpio.conf if I load kernel modules from initramfs. However, even though I have nvidia_drm in my MODULES array in /etc/mkinitcpio.conf (meaning it should be loaded early, from initramfs), I did not need
2024-07-22 16:58:35	batbrat	to add 
2024-07-22 16:58:41	batbrat	the /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf file to the FILES array. Am I missing something here? If my understanding is right, it might be worth suggesting and edit to the Arch Wiki.
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2024-07-22 16:59:08	MacGyver	Vorpal: The mailing list might be more appropriate.
2024-07-22 16:59:41	batbrat	s/optoins/options
2024-07-22 16:59:43	Namarrgon	batbrat: "[...]or use the modconf hook[...]"
2024-07-22 16:59:43	Vorpal	MacGyver: don't really use mail unless I can avoid it. And I'm not subscribed to it
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2024-07-22 17:00:28	Scimmia	batbrat: see the title of the section you linked
2024-07-22 17:00:29	batbrat	Namarragon, Ohhhh! I am indeed using that hook. D'Oh. Sorry for the bother.
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2024-07-22 17:01:11	Namarrgon	You still need to rebuild the images after adding modprobe.d/modules-load.d configs.
2024-07-22 17:01:49	Scimmia	batbrat: are you setting any non-default options for that module?
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2024-07-22 17:01:56	batbrat	Scimmia, the title is "4 Setting Module Options" > "4.2 Using files in /etc/modprobe.d/". I'm really sorry, but I am not able to catch what you are trying to point out
2024-07-22 17:02:20	batbrat	Namarragon I have rebuilt the images. Thank you so much
2024-07-22 17:02:58	batbrat	I have set non-default options, and I checked it by cat-ing the /sys/module/nvidia_drm/modeset and fbdev files.
2024-07-22 17:03:05	batbrat	Everything looks good.
2024-07-22 17:03:36	Scimmia	see, you didn't mention that, just that the module was getting loaded
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2024-07-22 17:04:30	monkfish	megumin: for the best performance, I recommend using vulkan if your system supports it. to answer the question though, WAYLAND_DISPLAY= retroarch should do it.
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2024-07-22 17:05:51	megumin	now it works fine thanks
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2024-07-22 17:06:13	batbrat	Understood. I'll do better at providing the information properly. 
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2024-07-22 17:07:21	MasterTJ123	Hey, guys, I'm very newbie at IRC... Is there a way to close the NickServ tab? 
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2024-07-22 17:07:47	another|	sure. consult your client docs
2024-07-22 17:07:50	Namarrgon	Which irc client are you using?
2024-07-22 17:08:05	MasterTJ123	irssi
2024-07-22 17:08:28	monkfish	 /wc
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2024-07-22 17:08:53	MasterTJ123	Nice, thanks
2024-07-22 17:08:58	Vorpal	MacGyver: well I went ahead and created an issue: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/ca-certificates/-/issues/3
2024-07-22 17:09:01	phrik	Title: Confusing provides in ca-certificate-utils / ca-certificates (#3) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / ca-certificates · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-07-22 17:37:23	throstur	I'm getting permission denied when trying to do stuff on a usb device mounted at /run/media/throstur/devicename, when I stat the dir I see (0555/dr-xr-xr-x)  Uid: ( 1000/throstur)   Gid: ( 1000/throstur), so what did I do wrong here?
2024-07-22 17:38:00	mpan	throstur: hello. 1) How did you mount it? 2) What filesystem type is on that device?
2024-07-22 17:38:23	throstur	mpan: it's an ntfs device and it was mounted via thunar by clicking on the name in the GUI, which I think uses ntfs-3g
2024-07-22 17:38:23	kupi	hi, anyone is using a thinkpad t40 or similar laptop on a modern linux distro?
2024-07-22 17:38:38	kupi	cpu freq does not go higher than 598 Mhz
2024-07-22 17:38:41	throstur	kupi: I have used thinkpad 480 with arch, and it worked great
2024-07-22 17:38:55	kupi	around 6 years ago the fix was installing speedstep-centrino from AUR
2024-07-22 17:38:56	gromit	kupi: are you using arch linux? 
2024-07-22 17:39:14	kupi	not right now but I have the same problem on all distros
2024-07-22 17:39:27	kupi	tried arch too
2024-07-22 17:39:31	mpan	throstur: if the device itself isn’t broken and in permanent read-only mode, I suspect something goes wrong with dmask/fmask while mounting. ntfs filesystems need to have uid/gid/permissions simulated by the driver, and it is simply set to a single uid/gid/permissions. 
2024-07-22 17:39:34	gromit	kupi: is the issue tied to a specific kernel version? 
2024-07-22 17:39:42	gromit	Also then you might wanny try #linux
2024-07-22 17:39:54	kupi	not a speicific one, all of them in the past 6 days
2024-07-22 17:39:57	kupi	*years
2024-07-22 17:40:02	throstur	mpan: ah, the problem is probably that I chowned something sometime, can I fix that somehow in terminal?
2024-07-22 17:40:17	throstur	I can sudo cp stuff to it, but I don't want to have to do that
2024-07-22 17:40:33	mpan	No, no. The uid/gid/permissions are completely emphemeral, simulated by the driver when you access the filesystem.
2024-07-22 17:41:16	mpan	Thunar uses udisks under the hood. Dunno, however, what are the defaults for ntfs. :/
2024-07-22 17:41:20	mpan	(not using ntfs)
2024-07-22 17:42:01	throstur	yeah I don't really like ntfs either, I only have ntfs on shared windows storages and this one USB device because the TVs at the prison only support ntfs and I haven't formatted it since then
2024-07-22 17:43:14	mpan	throstur: try manually and see if that help, to start with. Instructions: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NTFS-3G#Linux_compatible_permissions
2024-07-22 17:43:16	phrik	Title: NTFS-3G - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-22 17:43:30	throstur	by manually you mean a regular mount or sudo mount?
2024-07-22 17:43:58	wereii	throstur: you could use grep -i '/dev/<device>' /proc/mounts  to see what are the configured mount options for the ntfs driver (by udisks) 
2024-07-22 17:44:00	kupi	long time ago I fixed this by installing speedstep_centrino from AUR. debian has that module however it says no such device. I get the same message for acpi_cpufreq
2024-07-22 17:44:00	mpan	Yes. See the linked page.
2024-07-22 17:44:35	throstur	/dev/sdg1 /run/media/throstur/TOSHIBA\040EXT ntfs3 rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,iocharset=utf8 0 0
2024-07-22 17:44:52	mpan	yeah, fmask/dmask are missing.
2024-07-22 17:45:04	mpan	uid=1000,gid=1000 makes it simulate user 1000 (you)
2024-07-22 17:45:14	Erus_Iluvatar	kupi: what's the processor in that laptop? 
2024-07-22 17:45:23	kupi	intel pentium m
2024-07-22 17:45:36	throstur	okay, so manual mounting is going to work but thunar mounting won't, is that something I can fix easily?
2024-07-22 17:45:40	mpan	Also note that ntfs3, not ntfs-3g is being used in your case.
2024-07-22 17:45:55	mpan	throstur: we don’t know. First see if you can mount it manually with no issues.
2024-07-22 17:46:25	Erus_Iluvatar	kupi: this processor does not support x86_64, see in #linux if they can help you, you can't run Arch on it
2024-07-22 17:46:49	mpan	throstur: if that works, we can try finding the way to make udisks apply the right fmask/dmask. :)
2024-07-22 17:48:08	mpan	(before testing remember to unmount in Thunar, of course)
2024-07-22 17:48:52	throstur	strange, a shell somewhere is using the device, but I can't find it lol
2024-07-22 17:49:29	throstur	nvm, found it
2024-07-22 17:51:45	glitsj16	mpan: throstur: FYI /etc/udisks2/mount_options.conf.example has all the goods on how to change ntfs mount defaults
2024-07-22 17:51:46	throstur	/dev/sdg1 /run/media/throstur/usb fuseblk rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0 manual mount
2024-07-22 17:52:22	throstur	weird it uses fuseblk instead of ntfs3 though
2024-07-22 17:52:32	mpan	glitsj16: yep
2024-07-22 17:52:50	mpan	throstur: wait… this is what you got from `mount`?! What was the command you use?
2024-07-22 17:53:30	throstur	mpan: sudo mount /dev/sdg1 usb
2024-07-22 17:54:23	mpan	sudo mount /dev/sdg1 -o uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=133,dmask=022 usb
2024-07-22 17:54:29	mpan	(IIRC)
2024-07-22 17:54:40	throstur	but it works without any of those options
2024-07-22 17:55:07	mpan	But this is not going to be *sanely* mappable to udisks configuration. :P
2024-07-22 17:55:30	throstur	right, i'll do yours :)
2024-07-22 17:56:46	throstur	yep, looks fine
2024-07-22 17:56:55	throstur	/dev/sdg1 /run/media/throstur/usb fuseblk rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0
2024-07-22 17:57:09	mpan	...
2024-07-22 17:57:19	mpan	hmm
2024-07-22 17:57:49	mpan	Try: sudo mount -t ntfs3 -o uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=133,dmask=022 /dev/sdg1 usb
2024-07-22 17:57:54	mpan	Also I assume you did unmount the previous one.
2024-07-22 17:58:25	throstur	I did
2024-07-22 17:58:45	mpan	I did change the options, have you noticed? :)
2024-07-22 17:58:51	throstur	/dev/sdg1 /run/media/throstur/usb ntfs3 rw,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0022,fmask=0133,iocharset=utf8 0 0
2024-07-22 17:58:58	mpan	Ok, now it’s ok.
2024-07-22 17:59:04	throstur	except it's not, I can't create files or folders
2024-07-22 17:59:17	mpan	Oh
2024-07-22 17:59:43	mpan	Still r-xr-xr-x ?
2024-07-22 18:00:02	throstur	Access: (0555/dr-xr-xr-x)  Uid: ( 1000/throstur)   Gid: ( 1000/throstur)
2024-07-22 18:00:05	throstur	yep
2024-07-22 18:00:14	throstur	I mean it should be 644 innit
2024-07-22 18:00:27	throstur	you reckon changing it and unmount/remount persists it?
2024-07-22 18:00:52	mpan	No, because NTFS doesn’t support POSIX permissions.
2024-07-22 18:00:58	throstur	chmod 644 usb ; thunar usb -> now I can make folders
2024-07-22 18:01:20	throstur	Access: (0644/drw-r--r--)  Uid: ( 1000/throstur)   Gid: ( 1000/throstur)
2024-07-22 18:01:25	throstur	after unmount & mount
2024-07-22 18:01:37	throstur	man, I 'm so confused.
2024-07-22 18:01:54	mpan	...
2024-07-22 18:01:56	mpan	Hmm
2024-07-22 18:05:16	mpan	And I assume you are user throstur while testing, right?
2024-07-22 18:05:24	throstur	yes, but using sudo when mounting obviously
2024-07-22 18:05:35	mpan	Yes
2024-07-22 18:05:40	⚡ 	mpan scratches his head.
2024-07-22 18:06:12	mpan	Why on earth permissions are seen as 666.
2024-07-22 18:06:18	yhndnzj	mpan: But ntfs3 and ntfs-3g both support POSIX acl, and are enabled by default if uid/gid is not specified
2024-07-22 18:06:19	mpan	555 *
2024-07-22 18:06:36	throstur	I don't understand that, maybe something done by the TV that mounted it last
2024-07-22 18:06:39	mpan	yhndnzj: but we enabled it.
2024-07-22 18:06:48	mpan	throstur: unlikely.
2024-07-22 18:07:10	mpan	yhndnzj: or are you saying the chown changed ACLs? 
2024-07-22 18:07:38	mpan	chmod* damnit
2024-07-22 18:09:26	gehidore	clearly the beast was involved with those permissions of 666 mpan 
2024-07-22 18:10:45	mpan	Bug can we harness the beast? :P
2024-07-22 18:11:23	⚡ 	mpan tries setting up a test ntfs rn.
2024-07-22 18:13:00	mpan	Can’t reproduce. :/
2024-07-22 18:15:49	mpan	throstur: to give you the picture. Some filesystems don’t have native POSIX support. FAT and NTFS are examples. But, being mounted, thye must somehow provide POSIX permissions. So driver fakes them, pretending all files and directories belong to a single user and all having the same permissions. uid/gid/fmask/dmask are the mount options, that control that.
2024-07-22 18:16:18	mpan	With a note from yhndnzj — I was unaware ntfs3/-3g can handle that with ACL.
2024-07-22 18:16:53	mpan	Now… I don’t know why fmask/dmask are not applied during mounting. They should be and, when I try it myself, they are.
2024-07-22 18:17:13	mpan	I know why they are not applied by udisks. But not why that doesn’t work with manual `mount`.
2024-07-22 18:18:01	mpan	throstur: can you post your /etc/fstab? Just to be sure. Assuming nothing private there.
2024-07-22 18:18:04	mpan	!paste
2024-07-22 18:18:06	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-07-22 18:30:08	throstur	what happened to ix.io and sprunge >:(
2024-07-22 18:30:33	throstur	!0x0
2024-07-22 18:30:34	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-07-22 18:31:09	MacGyver	throstur: Victim of its own success, as they say.
2024-07-22 18:31:24	throstur	https://0x0.st/Xpjs.txt
2024-07-22 18:31:25	mpan	ix.io took a break. :)
2024-07-22 18:31:47	mpan	We don’t know primarily because nobody ever knew, who was behind ix.io.
2024-07-22 18:32:20	mpan	throstur: seems ok to me. Nothing suspicious there. I asked in case you did have something configured in fstab, that would affect the mount.
2024-07-22 18:32:22	sewe2000	MrElendig: there's an 'initrd' line in the Grub config 
2024-07-22 18:38:00	sewe2000	Is anyone there?
2024-07-22 18:38:34	Namarrgon	Only the rest.
2024-07-22 18:39:47	sewe2000	The context is that I have a kernel panic during boot, because the kernel cannot Mount the root partition
2024-07-22 18:40:17	sewe2000	https://cdn.imgpaste.net/2024/07/22/SF2Fww.jpg
2024-07-22 18:40:17	Namarrgon	Is this the one where you replaced the sh symlink with one to bash?
2024-07-22 18:41:02	sewe2000	Yes, but I haven't replaced /bin/sh because in initramfs there was nothing
2024-07-22 18:41:10	sewe2000	in that place 
2024-07-22 18:41:22	Namarrgon	Is that hack still in place?
2024-07-22 18:41:22	sewe2000	it was in /usr/bin/sh
2024-07-22 18:41:36	sewe2000	Namarrgon: no, it isn't
2024-07-22 19:02:17	Briar	yo 0/
2024-07-22 19:02:22	Edu4rdSHL	MasterTJ123, the first step is to check if it's getting recognized by the system
2024-07-22 19:05:36	sewe2000	yhndnzj: I wonder what is the reason for it
2024-07-22 19:07:10	MasterTJ123	I'm not sure if it is to be true. Like, I'm using kde and the icon of mic appears on the "sound widget". Maybe some wrong config? It's set to built-in audio analog stereo
2024-07-22 19:07:32	Namarrgon	sewe2000: What is in /mnt/boot without the ESP mounted?
2024-07-22 19:08:12	sewe2000	Namarrgon: Just an empty directory 
2024-07-22 19:08:42	Namarrgon	sewe2000: Are you using mkinitcpio for the initramfs? Post mkinitcpio.conf
2024-07-22 19:09:06	sewe2000	Yes, I am. Just a moment...
2024-07-22 19:11:27	sewe2000	https://0x0.st/Xpj1.conf
2024-07-22 19:12:04	Namarrgon	You have neither the base nor the systemd hook in the HOOKS
2024-07-22 19:12:17	sewe2000	aaaa
2024-07-22 19:12:31	sewe2000	Oh, jeez
2024-07-22 19:12:35	sewe2000	I'm so stupid
2024-07-22 19:12:44	sewe2000	Let's try it
2024-07-22 19:13:50	sewe2000	Yeaaaah
2024-07-22 19:13:55	sewe2000	It works now
2024-07-22 19:14:02	sewe2000	Thank you very much
2024-07-22 19:14:16	sewe2000	You're the real heroes
2024-07-22 19:15:00	sewe2000	Have a nice evening ( at least there's evening at my country)
2024-07-22 19:18:24	Briar	so what usally goes on in this channel?
2024-07-22 19:18:51	glitsj16	arch support :)
2024-07-22 19:19:54	Briar	ohh, i'm guessing it's also the community channel?
2024-07-22 19:21:04	Briar	I just recently switched to arch, wanted to hear a bit about what people do with it, appart from normal os stuff
2024-07-22 19:22:35	MasterTJ123	Hey, how to mark another user when sending a msg?
2024-07-22 19:23:28	Briar	MasterTJ123: like this?
2024-07-22 19:23:36	MasterTJ123	Yep
2024-07-22 19:23:47	glitsj16	Briar: welcome to arch; there are many channels, as per https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_IRC_channels
2024-07-22 19:23:49	phrik	Title: Arch IRC channels - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-22 19:24:39	Briar	MasterTJ123: depends on the client, you can just click on the name, or, i'd imagine you can just write the name followed by ":"
2024-07-22 19:25:07	Briar	glitsj16: thanks!
2024-07-22 19:25:19	MasterTJ123	Briar: test
2024-07-22 19:25:27	Briar	MasterTJ123: that works
2024-07-22 19:26:19	MasterTJ123	Briar: Really? I'm using irssi
2024-07-22 19:27:16	Briar	MasterTJ123: well it looks like it worked to me
2024-07-22 19:27:26	mpan	MasterTJ123: few first letters, press tab.
2024-07-22 19:32:25	MasterTJ123	Hum... strange, I checked my audio settings and under "recording devices" on "microphone" the port is set to "microphone", but isn't working. There's another one saying "internal microphone (unpluged)". Shouldn't it be just "internal microphone"?
2024-07-22 19:33:10	Briar	MasterTJ123: do you hae an internal microphone?
2024-07-22 19:34:10	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-07-22 19:34:24	MasterTJ123	Briar: I'm using a notebook, so yes. Some days ago I tried to talk using it on Discord, but my friend said it wasn't working, he couldn't hear me
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2024-07-22 19:35:17	glitsj16	MasterTJ123: perhaps it's muted? Have you checked that?
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2024-07-22 19:37:11	MasterTJ123	Briar: I did, it's not
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2024-07-22 19:38:00	Briar	MasterTJ123: do you have the right drivers? and what audio soft are you using?
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2024-07-22 19:39:59	MasterTJ123	Briar: I trully don't know, didn't have install any drivers, because I read on the wiki some of them comes by default on arch instalation? Gonna check on packman wich I have
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2024-07-22 19:42:57	Briar	MasterTJ123: paste "lspci -v" and check audio device
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2024-07-22 19:44:18	MasterTJ123	Briar: Here are my packages related to audio: https://pastebin.com/CBdvAQdM
2024-07-22 19:44:19	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/Xpjg.txt
2024-07-22 19:44:20	phrik	Title: local/a52dec 0.8.0-2 Library for decoding ATSC A/52 (AC-3) audio streamsl - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2024-07-22 19:46:51	MasterTJ123	Briar: Here are the lspci results related to audio: https://pastebin.com/TSiHXAkM
2024-07-22 19:46:52	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XpjI.txt
2024-07-22 19:46:52	phrik	Title: 00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Audio Controller (rev 09) - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-07-22 19:47:05	Edu4rdSHL	MasterTJ123, which processor does it have?
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2024-07-22 19:47:21	Edu4rdSHL	You may need soft-firmware
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2024-07-22 19:47:33	Edu4rdSHL	You may need sof-firmware *
2024-07-22 19:48:01	MasterTJ123	Edu4rdSHL: i7 5th generation power economy mode, something like that
2024-07-22 19:48:10	Edu4rdSHL	Ah, then no
2024-07-22 19:48:51	Edu4rdSHL	Do you have wireplumber installed?
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2024-07-22 19:49:17	Briar	yeah, have you tried just restarting pipewire?
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2024-07-22 19:49:54	Briar	Edu4rdSHL: i don't think they do
2024-07-22 19:50:00	MasterTJ123	Edu4rdSHL: Yes, I do
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2024-07-22 19:50:24	MasterTJ123	Briar: No, how do I do that?
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2024-07-22 19:55:48	Briar	MasterTJ123: first "sudo pacman -Syu pipewire pipewire-pulse wireplumber" update everything, and then "systemctl --user restart pipewire pipewire-pulse wireplumber"
2024-07-22 19:56:09	MasterTJ123	Ok, I just noticed some things... there's some device called a52 0,'hw0,3' on my audio configs and I don't have any idea where this came from. It's not related to the internal speakers neither my headphones
2024-07-22 19:56:23	Briar	XD
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2024-07-22 19:59:56	another|	Where does this appear?
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2024-07-22 20:00:23	another|	also, Broadwell might still need sof-firmware
2024-07-22 20:00:26	MasterTJ123	I did what you told me, Brian, but no changes
2024-07-22 20:00:49	MasterTJ123	another: on my audio configs on task bar
2024-07-22 20:01:04	MasterTJ123	Gonna try to screenshot and post on imgur
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2024-07-22 20:03:11	MasterTJ123	another: here's the screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/gx3aI52
2024-07-22 20:03:12	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2024-07-22 20:04:25	MasterTJ123	alc282 analog is the one being used both by my headphones and internal speakers, the other one I don't have any idea what is it lol
2024-07-22 20:07:00	another|	might be HDMI or something
2024-07-22 20:07:08	another|	do you have any sound?
2024-07-22 20:07:52	MasterTJ123	another: Only on alc282, not on a52
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2024-07-22 20:12:23	another|	maybe try installing sof-firmware and check profiles in e.g. pavucontrol
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2024-07-22 20:16:49	MasterTJ123	another: I did reinstall, but it looks like I don't have anything related to "pavucontrol"
2024-07-22 20:17:43	MasterTJ123	another: Btw, if I reboot and join #archlinux again, I'll come to this same chatroom?
2024-07-22 20:19:42	thingfish	um, yes.
2024-07-22 20:20:19	another|	can also change profiles in KDE system settings
2024-07-22 20:20:43	topcat001	MasterTJ123: If you didn't install pipewire-alsa yet, it hasn't overridden the alsa config yet. In that case, it might be easier to debug this using plain alsa tools.
2024-07-22 20:23:05	MasterTJ123	topcat001: I didn't install this package. So, what should I do? If I got this right, it should be appearing only my alc282 and my microphone on my sound configs, right?
2024-07-22 20:24:57	topcat001	MasterTJ123: stop all the pipewire services, and use alsamixer, arecord, and aplay. Once/if it works, you can go back to pipewire.
2024-07-22 20:25:41	topcat001	In alsamixer you can check the record settings and make sure CAPTURE is enabled on the right devices.
2024-07-22 20:25:42	MasterTJ123	This is what shows on my configurations from the system settings, not the toolbar: https://imgur.com/a/qP53sd0
2024-07-22 20:25:42	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2024-07-22 20:26:30	topcat001	once again, those don't mean much if you cannot get alsa itself to work
2024-07-22 20:26:52	MasterTJ123	topcat001: But how do I check this? Sorry, I trully don't know how to do this
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2024-07-22 20:28:23	another|	What other profiles are there besides "Analog Stereo Duplex"?
2024-07-22 20:28:25	another|	fm
2024-07-22 20:28:25	topcat001	I would close all graphical apps, stop (don't have to disable) pipewire, pipewire-pulse, and wireplumber. Then install alsa-utils to get alsamixer arecord and aplay
2024-07-22 20:28:48	topcat001	use the terminal only during testing
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2024-07-22 20:29:39	MasterTJ123	another: analog stereo input, analog stereo output and pro audio, for each one of the "devices"
2024-07-22 20:29:44	topcat001	probably better to not run a fancy DE also; those just get in the way with their background stuff
2024-07-22 20:29:59	topcat001	I mean during debugging at least
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2024-07-22 20:31:22	MasterTJ123	I think I'm gonna reboot and logon Cinnamon or Xfce. There will be better to try this, I guess
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2024-07-22 20:37:24	topcat001	I also have an asoundrc which switches the defaults back to hw (from the pipewire device) which is very handy for debugging audio hardware/driver issues without the sound server getting in the way.
2024-07-22 20:37:50	topcat001	(Not used normally of course)
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2024-07-22 20:42:35	MasterTJ123	Ok, I'm back, this time on Cinnamon
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2024-07-22 20:43:18	topcat001	I would close all graphical apps, stop (don't have to disable) pipewire, pipewire-pulse, and wireplumber. Then install alsa-utils to get alsamixer arecord and aplay
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2024-07-22 20:44:01	topcat001	also please paste `cat /proc/asound/cards` after disconnecting any accessories.
2024-07-22 20:44:07	another|	In that case "Analog Stereo Duplex" seem what you want
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2024-07-22 20:48:48	lmat	I'm using tcpdump -6vvvttt enp0 icmp6; and it's showing me some good stuff. A lot of it is link-local packets (fe80::/10). How do I filter that stuff out?
2024-07-22 20:49:14	lmat	I tried    ...icmp6 and 'ip6[0] != 0xff';  but I still see the undesired packets.
2024-07-22 20:49:26	lmat	err  0xff -> 0xfe of course
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2024-07-22 20:52:36	another|	>tcpdump: invalid option -- '6'
2024-07-22 20:53:19	lmat	another|: doh. I just realized this host isn't using archlinux, so it's probably using an old version of tcpdump
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2024-07-22 20:54:10	lmat	Just got it xD  ...icmp6 and 'not net fe80::/10'
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2024-07-22 20:55:43	lmat	another|: Oh, I'm not sure where I got that -6...I'm not actually using that and it doesn't work on this pfsense (FreeBSD) system either :-|
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2024-07-22 20:57:43	another|	so clearly not the correct command line
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2024-07-22 21:18:09	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
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2024-07-22 21:20:53	blscoe	Hi, how can I list the two HDMI devices shown in GNOME Sound Output in wireplumber rather than the one HDMI controller it currently shows?
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2024-07-22 22:07:36	gdamjan	blscoe: are those 2 devices? or just two outputs
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2024-07-22 22:32:34	blscoe	~gdamjan Two devices: two monitors with built-in speakers.
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2024-07-22 22:33:23	galegovski	502 Bad Gateway on Arch Linux website
2024-07-22 22:33:41	Namarrgon	galegovski: It's a known issue.
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2024-07-22 22:34:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-07-22 22:34:11	galegovski	okay
2024-07-22 22:34:45	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-07-22 22:34:45	blscoe	gdamjan: No, two outputs on a graphics card.
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2024-07-22 22:35:03	galegovski	It's always a good idea to let people know.
2024-07-22 22:35:21	gdamjan	blscoe: but afaik that's a single sink
2024-07-22 22:36:23	blscoe	gdamjan: So, why does GNOME Sound Output show them seperately?
2024-07-22 22:36:48	blscoe	GNOME Sound Output and Wire Plumber as not the same, why?
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2024-07-22 22:44:09	Edu4rdSHL	Pretty sure the wireplumber/pipewire devs know more about that than the Gnome ones, sounds an issue with Gnome, unless they have a specific reason to do that
2024-07-22 22:44:48	Edu4rdSHL	How are the two devices under "GNOME Sound Output" described?
2024-07-22 22:45:51	Edu4rdSHL	But, if they are two separated devices as I just read, it does makes sense to see them separately. How are you listing the devices with wireplumber?
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2024-07-22 22:47:20	blscoe	In Gnome, I need to be able to select which of my dual monitors to output sound to, so it makes sense.
2024-07-22 22:47:37	blscoe	In wireplumber, I use wpctl status and see only one hdmi controlleer
2024-07-22 22:47:45	blscoe	the gpu?
2024-07-22 22:48:05	blscoe	the gpu both monitors are plugged into or a chip on it?
2024-07-22 22:49:00	blscoe	How can I list them seperately in wireplumber too?
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2024-07-22 22:52:56	Edu4rdSHL	> How are you listing the devices with wireplumber? 
2024-07-22 22:53:03	Edu4rdSHL	Which command, and send the output
2024-07-22 22:53:05	Edu4rdSHL	Please
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2024-07-22 22:54:06	blscoe	As I said, `pactl status`
2024-07-22 22:54:12	blscoe	I mean `wpctl status`
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2024-07-22 22:54:37	blscoe	Oh, the output...
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2024-07-22 22:55:46	blscoe	Audio, Devices: 51. Navi 21/23 HDMI/DP Audio Controller [alsa]
2024-07-22 22:56:11	blscoe	That's the only relevant part.
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2024-07-22 22:57:47	lucenera	Is there something similar to Solaris' beadm for Arch Linux? What about something similar to zfs-auto-snapshot?
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2024-07-22 22:58:35	Edu4rdSHL	blscoe, post everything
2024-07-22 22:59:08	blscoe	https://pastebin.com/raw/N9C0SGiA
2024-07-22 22:59:08	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/Xp2y.txt
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2024-07-22 23:04:20	heat_	lucenera, zfs-auto-snapshot is arch's zfs-auto-snapshot :P
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2024-07-22 23:04:39	heat_	frankly i don't know if arch packages it in any kind, but it does seem to exist, for linux (https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs-auto-snapshot)
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2024-07-22 23:07:51	lucenera	I saw it as standing still five years ago. Too bad that a matter of principle excludes the best disk/filesystem manager tout court from the best operating system.
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2024-07-22 23:09:11	Namarrgon	It's not a matter of principle, it's a matter of licensing.
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2024-07-22 23:11:10	Foxboron	and maintenace.
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2024-07-22 23:12:33	lucenera	I actually understand both points. But it is still sad. Sun Microsystems has created many wonderful things.
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2024-07-22 23:14:54	lucenera	Fortunately, you can still use it on Linux, and I do, even though it lacks certain useful conveniences.
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2024-07-22 23:28:25	tropnevad	something going on with arch? getting "no more mirrors available"/"download failed" when trying to install gimp from discover
2024-07-22 23:29:34	tropnevad	updating in terminal is working fine
2024-07-22 23:29:49	Namarrgon	Does pacman still work?
2024-07-22 23:29:57	tropnevad	its working now after updating
2024-07-22 23:29:59	MacGyver	Yes.
2024-07-22 23:30:00	jelle	why is discover trying to reach archlinux.org..
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2024-07-22 23:30:13	tropnevad	i installed the packagekit cause i dont want flatpaks
2024-07-22 23:30:33	Edu4rdSHL	tropnevad, your databases were not synchronized, that's why you got it
2024-07-22 23:30:34	jelle	https://github.com/PackageKit/PackageKit/blob/4577b0a6ac01b120246dc4f34a5f97be28c9e804/backends/alpm/pk-alpm-update.c#L73 uhhh
2024-07-22 23:31:02	tropnevad	ok ty ^^
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2024-07-22 23:31:26	tropnevad	should discover not use archlinux for packages?
2024-07-22 23:31:26	jelle	unused tho
2024-07-22 23:32:52	Edu4rdSHL	jelle, to get metadata, it seems
2024-07-22 23:33:03	jelle	Edu4rdSHL: where? I don't see that called
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2024-07-22 23:33:54	Edu4rdSHL	https://github.com/PackageKit/PackageKit/blob/4577b0a6ac01b120246dc4f34a5f97be28c9e804/backends/alpm/pk-alpm-update.c#L173
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2024-07-23 14:22:11	grawity	which "and others"?
2024-07-23 14:22:34	virtualsid	MrElendig: nvidia yes, but i3
2024-07-23 14:22:37	grawity	is that supposed to be an AD domain name, an NT domain name, a DNS domain name, or what?
2024-07-23 14:25:14	MrElendig	virtualsid: test sway instead
2024-07-23 14:25:18	consus	AD user name
2024-07-23 14:25:23	consus	sorry
2024-07-23 14:25:27	consus	domain name sounds confusing
2024-07-23 14:26:05	virtualsid	MrElendig: no, that's OK. I'm not swapping out x11 for wayland just for this minor issue.
2024-07-23 14:26:07	MrElendig	usual way is to use ad as the source for your local logins too
2024-07-23 14:26:08	grawity	and what things are currently using the local user name?
2024-07-23 14:26:17	consus	all of it
2024-07-23 14:26:27	consus	I just need smb to access a remote printer
2024-07-23 14:26:29	consus	or a file share
2024-07-23 14:26:41	grawity	okay, but that is not *automatically* using the local user name, is it?
2024-07-23 14:26:52	grawity	it usually prompts you what username specifically to use
2024-07-23 14:26:54	consus	Yeah
2024-07-23 14:27:00	consus	I don't want to change it every time
2024-07-23 14:27:05	consus	I want my AD name there
2024-07-23 14:27:14	grawity	enter it once, check [x] Remember
2024-07-23 14:27:23	consus	there is no remember
2024-07-23 14:27:32	consus	And not every program can do that
2024-07-23 14:29:12	consus	Given that I can set my workgroup in smb.conf I was wondering maybe some form of idmap also exists
2024-07-23 14:29:54	grawity	the concept of idmap doesn't quite apply here
2024-07-23 14:30:15	grawity	since it's not really using your local identity as such, it's only getting the defaults for input
2024-07-23 14:30:22	consus	Yeah
2024-07-23 14:30:28	consus	It's possible to set those for smbnetfs
2024-07-23 14:30:36	grawity	for regular SMB i'd probably suggest setting up Kerberos – do a `kinit user@AD.EXAMPLE.COM` and Samba should automatically use that
2024-07-23 14:31:12	consus	Eh, if there no easy solution then I won't bother
2024-07-23 14:31:17	grawity	no idea if CUPS will understand it – hopefully it would, since it needs to use libsmbclient anyway, but different users etc
2024-07-23 14:37:34	virtualsid	damn you, MrElendig - now my i3/x11 lagged enough to freeze, and I needed to disconnect and reconnect my monitor. FINE. MAYBE I WILL GO TO SWAY THEN.
2024-07-23 14:37:40	⚡ 	virtualsid stomps off
2024-07-23 14:37:54	virtualsid	(... to the arch wiki)
2024-07-23 14:41:19	MrElendig	if you are running picom you could try without it too
2024-07-23 14:43:54	virtualsid	MrElendig: me? not heard of picom...
2024-07-23 14:44:34	virtualsid	oh, maybe it was to me. I've got what I presume is a fairly basic x/i3 config.
2024-07-23 14:45:03	virtualsid	autorandr to switch displays feels like the most complicated thing so far.
2024-07-23 14:45:45	MrElendig	virtualsid: picom was for you
2024-07-23 14:46:00	MrElendig	if you are not using picom, test with
2024-07-23 14:46:56	MrElendig	also, using plain i3 or -gaps?
2024-07-23 14:47:33	virtualsid	plain
2024-07-23 14:47:37	virtualsid	why waste space on gaps ;)
2024-07-23 14:48:04	MrElendig	because all the youtubers use it to make it look prettier of course
2024-07-23 14:48:12	MrElendig	and that is the only reason to use i3 :p
2024-07-23 14:48:23	ponies	gaps is in i3 
2024-07-23 14:48:28	virtualsid	it is? heathens
2024-07-23 14:48:39	ponies	its like the one thing they conceded to
2024-07-23 14:48:52	Antiz	i3-gaps isn't a thing anymore ^^
2024-07-23 14:49:00	MrElendig	ponies: but lots of people are using the old i3-gaps fork still because they never noticed it was deprecated
2024-07-23 14:49:06	virtualsid	lol
2024-07-23 14:49:07	Antiz	gaps have been merged into i3 long time ago
2024-07-23 14:49:12	MrElendig	Antiz: ^
2024-07-23 14:49:14	ponies	yeah long time 
2024-07-23 14:49:19	virtualsid	anyway, I don't see the point of gaps :P
2024-07-23 14:49:35	Antiz	MrElendig: Well, on Arch they should have been migrated to i3 automatically
2024-07-23 14:49:36	ponies	i like them for a vertical split
2024-07-23 14:49:38	MrElendig	and quite a few issues with i3 comes from using the old fork 
2024-07-23 14:50:02	Antiz	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/i3-wm/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads#L27
2024-07-23 14:50:03	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / i3-wm · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-07-23 14:50:05	MrElendig	Antiz: just last week there was one on arch with issues due to still running it
2024-07-23 14:50:12	Antiz	MrElendig: Uh?!
2024-07-23 14:50:12	MrElendig	so yea
2024-07-23 14:50:15	virtualsid	/o\
2024-07-23 14:50:36	Antiz	MrElendig: If someone on Arch is still using i3-gaps, that means they did not update their system for like 1.5 years basically x)
2024-07-23 14:50:52	Antiz	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/i3-wm/-/commit/0ebb0a2e9c1bdedce743ef2d77bc380435191ec4
2024-07-23 14:50:53	phrik	Title: add provides/replaces on i3-gaps (0ebb0a2e) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / i3-wm · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-07-23 14:51:18	Antiz	Don't have the exact date of that commit, but it was at least 1 year ago according to gitlab.
2024-07-23 14:52:19	Antiz	(Or people were not using the i3-gaps arch package but a custom-build or something; and thus have not been migrated ^^)
2024-07-23 14:52:36	ponies	some people want rounded windows lol imagine
2024-07-23 14:54:33	Antiz	Unless I'm missing something, if someone is still using i3-gaps on Arch, that either means they did not update their system for like **at least** a year or they use a custom build of it somehow. In both cases, this is not supported :P
2024-07-23 14:54:33	Namarrgon	I want triangle-shaped windows, like we used to have back in the day.
2024-07-23 14:54:44	MrElendig	that burns up when you close them!
2024-07-23 14:55:07	Antiz	Jelly windows
2024-07-23 14:55:24	Antiz	MrElendig: "that burns up when you close them!" <-- Aha, the good old compiz days :P
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2024-07-23 15:00:42	ponies	'wouldn't it be cool if' < --- its never cool. 
2024-07-23 15:01:32	ponies	and then we can containerize everything, and give it a web interface to run yet more containers 
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2024-07-23 15:21:13	virtualsid	well, stuff this, sway: "Jul 23 23:16:28 loco ly-dm[827]: 00:00:00.002 [ERROR] [sway/main.c:65] Proprietary Nvidia drivers are NOT supported. Use Nouveau. To launch sway anyway, launch with --unsupported-gpu and DO NOT report issues."
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2024-07-23 15:24:30	virtualsid	maybe I should also avoid using a DM (I use Ly). hrrm.
2024-07-23 15:25:23	Antiz	virtualsid: Sway just does not support the proprietary nvidia driver
2024-07-23 15:26:30	virtualsid	I think I'll live with the sometimes lag on X11/i3 for the time being. Not keen on messing around further with my config just for this right now
2024-07-23 15:26:45	Antiz	You can still launch it anyway with the `--unsupported-gpu` option though (as said in the error message)
2024-07-23 15:26:48	alad	sway--
2024-07-23 15:26:49	virtualsid	or look at another compositor like i3 on wayland :P
2024-07-23 15:27:05	alad	virtualsid: what sometimes lag
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2024-07-23 15:27:39	virtualsid	when I switch workspace in i3. Usually when switching *to* Firefox.
2024-07-23 15:27:50	virtualsid	I should look up what picom does, as MrElendig suggested it earlier.
2024-07-23 15:28:04	alad	oh ye
2024-07-23 15:28:06	alad	picom tends to make it worse
2024-07-23 15:29:43	virtualsid	okay, first he said don't use it, then said 'if you are not using picom, test with'. I'm reading it, and going 'huh' "picom is a standalone compositor for Xorg, suitable for use with window managers that do not provide compositing." - so I guess i3 is not a compositor, because it lets X do all that?
2024-07-23 15:30:57	Namarrgon	i3 is a window manager. X does not do compositing directly.
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2024-07-23 15:32:28	virtualsid	one of these days, this'll make sense in my head.
2024-07-23 15:33:18	virtualsid	how is i3 doing anything, if it's not a compositor? and sway /is/ a compositor AND a wm, right?
2024-07-23 15:34:11	Namarrgon	i3 just managed windows positions and sizes in while  coordinating this with the applications and X.
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2024-07-23 15:35:23	Namarrgon	Based on i3's "commands" X tells the applications which ones need to draw their content where.
2024-07-23 15:36:28	Namarrgon	A compositor sits in between and takes what the applications draw into their window/buffer and creates a composited image that gets painted to the screen.
2024-07-23 15:37:05	virtualsid	ahh, yes. thank you. I do find it interesting how this is quite different. I don't do GUI programming either, so I'm not sure what the difference is between the two, for applications.
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2024-07-23 15:37:32	Namarrgon	The compositing part is usually transparent to the application.
2024-07-23 15:38:04	Namarrgon	i3/X/compositor will message the application when it needs to redraw/resize its windows.
2024-07-23 15:38:54	Namarrgon	X has wild jungle of interfaces and extensions for all of this.
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2024-07-23 15:41:08	virtualsid	ahhh, the GTK and Qt libraries are the 'for applications' part of things.
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2024-07-23 15:42:20	virtualsid	anyone want to offer a suggestion of a WM to use, other than Sway, for a person who likes i3's barebones-ness? I just have a status bar on the bottom, and that's basically it.
2024-07-23 15:42:51	Namarrgon	Try sway firs then.
2024-07-23 15:43:05	virtualsid	'other than Sway' :P
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2024-07-23 15:43:54	Namarrgon	i3 does quite a lot compared to actually barebones WMs.
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2024-07-23 15:44:24	virtualsid	okay. i don't (knowingly) use much of it :)
2024-07-23 15:44:36	alad	the only feature i3 still needs is being a good window manager
2024-07-23 15:44:46	⚡ 	virtualsid punches alad on the nose
2024-07-23 15:45:23	alad	wow rude
2024-07-23 15:45:33	⚡ 	alad punches virtualsid on the chin
2024-07-23 15:45:33	virtualsid	alad: lol
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2024-07-23 15:47:17	thingfish	fisticuffs in the channel.  What is the world coming to.
2024-07-23 15:47:23	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Window_manager#List_of_window_managers
2024-07-23 15:47:24	phrik	Title: Window manager - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-23 15:47:40	espresso	virtualsid: you rule out the wm I would recommend. :P but I hear there's also 'wayfire'
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2024-07-23 15:49:35	virtualsid	espresso: sway? I just don't want to have to faff around with a working nvidia setup just for this...
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2024-07-23 15:50:32	espresso	virtualsid: I'm not sure sway needs any particular GPU-related configuration
2024-07-23 15:51:32	virtualsid	well, it makes a big fuss about not supporting the proprietary nvidia driver.
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2024-07-23 15:52:14	Namarrgon	But have you tried it?
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2024-07-23 15:52:47	espresso	virtualsid: oh don't let that bug you; I just do like alias sway='{ [ -e "/run/user/$UID/sway.log" ] && rm /run/user/$UID/sway.log }; command sway --unsupported-gpu -V 2>&1 | tee /run/user/$UID/sway.log'
2024-07-23 15:53:01	virtualsid	fine, fine. I'll try it then :P
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2024-07-23 15:53:34	virtualsid	If my house burns down, I'm coming for you both
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2024-07-23 15:55:14	thingfish	great group!
2024-07-23 15:55:31	pagundu	Sway is a window manager _and_ a compositor to add more confusion to you virtualsid, unlike i3
2024-07-23 15:55:33	thingfish	ah lol
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2024-07-23 15:56:18	virtualsid	well, holy moly, I have a pretty spectacular looking screen right now. And this isn't a good thing. Also, Sway, by default, used both my screens, whereas on X, I had to use that autorandr thing to cycle displays (I only actually want to use one at a time)
2024-07-23 15:56:46	virtualsid	got constant screen corruption  on my 4K monitor, when I opened kitty
2024-07-23 15:56:47	pagundu	And you have no screen tearing! can you imagine that by default no screen tear
2024-07-23 15:57:19	virtualsid	I have something much more fun than screen tearing right now. Let me upload a quick video somewhere.
2024-07-23 15:57:37	pagundu	does your CPU have an iGPU?
2024-07-23 15:58:13	virtualsid	it does indeed. I imagine it's using it. Would this be a bad thing?
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2024-07-23 15:58:51	pagundu	hmm, nah I was thinking the screen corruption might be because of not having any GPU.
2024-07-23 15:59:00	pagundu	but you do have an iGPU
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2024-07-23 15:59:46	pagundu	This is what their wiki says about nVidia https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki#nvidia-users
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2024-07-23 16:01:08	virtualsid	it's just gone midnight here, so I'm going to stop now. But this is the funk I see right now. https://i.imgur.com/jbkkk8J.mp4
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2024-07-23 16:01:24	virtualsid	the second screen you can see is my laptop display.
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2024-07-23 16:01:47	espresso	I liked KDE mostly for kwin, but since last month have not looked back from  Sway with Waybar (and Wofi and Swaylock)
2024-07-23 16:02:24	virtualsid	I've been using almost default i3 for years now.
2024-07-23 16:02:33	pagundu	I still use i3blocks with sway
2024-07-23 16:03:02	virtualsid	right. shutting this mess off for now, and will live with the occasional lag on the 4K display :P
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2024-07-23 16:04:26	umaxtu	kde has been my go to for when I need something ready to go out of the box. 
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2024-07-23 16:05:58	pagundu	Huh, I was still figuring out why mu URLs weren't opening up in firefox when I use `ctrl+shift+o` on the foot terminal. The xdg-utils package which has the xdg-open was not present.
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2024-07-23 16:06:06	pagundu	s/mu/my
2024-07-23 16:06:06	espresso	I miss dolphin a bit but could install the deps, but am getting used to PCManFM (and qt6 dark themes should be arriving...)
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2024-07-23 16:07:02	pagundu	virtualsid: Oh god, would be fun to work with that setup.
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2024-07-23 16:07:27	espresso	pagundu: hah! I just sorted out xdg-opening URLs with alacritty last night :)
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2024-07-23 16:08:19	pagundu	minimalism, we don't need it till we use it
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2024-07-23 16:57:18	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-07-23 16:57:18	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1415 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1415 regular)
2024-07-23 16:43:12	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL there is nothing to do
2024-07-23 16:46:57	thingfish	don't worry, it probably won't last.
2024-07-23 16:47:31	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2024-07-23 16:54:25	printfdebugging	Hi, I came earlier today asking where to put xset r rate 300 50 and setxkbmap stuff, and got suggested xinitrc for that. But that didn't work as well. The effect wore off pretty quickly and I had to put it back to .zshrc and spawn then kill a terminal to restore it. Any solutions ? i use dwm
2024-07-23 16:54:59	pagundu	printfdebugging: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg/Keyboard_configuration#Using_AutoRepeat_configuration_option
2024-07-23 16:55:00	phrik	Title: Xorg/Keyboard configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-23 16:55:46	pagundu	for xkbmap, the wiki has it. TLDR Option "XkbOptions" "caps:escape" as an example in the config file.
2024-07-23 16:56:16	throstur	a highly recommended keyboard mod, who needs cruise control for capital letters aNYWAY
2024-07-23 16:57:18	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-07-23 17:03:18	kelnoky	can anyone help with this: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2185700#p2185700 getting a black screen when I wake up from suspend
2024-07-23 17:03:19	phrik	Title: black screen after wake up from suspend / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2024-07-23 17:04:01	printfdebugging	pagundu: that doesn't seem to be working
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2024-07-23 17:04:52	pagundu	did you kill your x session and re start it?
2024-07-23 17:05:11	printfdebugging	i killed xorg, logged out of tty, then logged in again
2024-07-23 17:06:07	pagundu	what's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/**-keyboard.conf
2024-07-23 17:06:26	Namarrgon	kelnoky: suspend as in "suspend to ram"?
2024-07-23 17:06:42	kelnoky	Namarrgon: I juse use systemctl suspend - that's to ram, I guess?
2024-07-23 17:07:23	printfdebugging	pagundu: https://termbin.com/f15v
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2024-07-23 17:10:03	pagundu	1. AutoRepeat instead of AutoRepeate and append the "caps:escape" to the existing XkbOptions by placing a comma to separate them
2024-07-23 17:10:38	pagundu	And in your case the AutoRepeat values will be 300 20, check the wiki for the math.
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2024-07-23 17:11:18	pagundu	the second value is not the rate its interval which is in milliseconds
2024-07-23 17:11:38	printfdebugging	i use xset r rate 300 50
2024-07-23 17:11:48	pagundu	that one uses delay and rate
2024-07-23 17:11:58	pagundu	Xorg.conf file uses delay and interval
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2024-07-23 17:13:56	gdamjan	Soni: `man iptables` :)
2024-07-23 17:14:07	gdamjan	IIRC `-o +enx` doesn't look correct
2024-07-23 17:14:44	printfdebugging1	pagundu: It works! I also use `# setxkbmap -option ctrl:swap_ralt_rctl`, is there any option, or should I just append <smth>:<smth> text to that as well?
2024-07-23 17:14:52	espresso	Soni: I find nftables (successor to iptables) easier and it can use/convert iptables rules, but nothing particularly wrong with iptables :)
2024-07-23 17:15:15	pagundu	it's like "caps:escape,ctrl:swap_ralt_rctl"
2024-07-23 17:15:25	pagundu	notice the `,`
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2024-07-23 17:18:45	printfdebugging	yes that worked as well :)
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2024-07-23 17:19:08	pagundu	cool, enjoy your persistent configs
2024-07-23 17:19:57	printfdebugging	yeah, it's under ansible :) https://github.com/printfdebugging/dotfiles
2024-07-23 17:20:06	andersjorg	pagundu is back
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2024-07-23 17:21:52	pagundu	Nice, I use gnu stow to manage the dotfiles right now, maybe I'll look into ansible
2024-07-23 17:21:59	pagundu	Hi andersjorg I am back
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2024-07-23 23:36:56	espresso	topcat001: yes, and also linux thing. :) https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/next/driver-api/wmi.html
2024-07-23 23:36:58	phrik	Title: WMI Driver API — The Linux Kernel documentation (at www.kernel.org)
2024-07-23 23:37:19	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-07-23 23:37:30	topcat001	indeed thanks
2024-07-23 23:37:42	topcat001	knew I was missing something :)
2024-07-23 23:38:37	teraflops	topcat001: https://paste.priet.us/ow6o/
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2024-07-23 23:41:29	teraflops	that asus driver exposes lot of hardware features so you can e.g change bios settings set battery cut power level etc
2024-07-23 23:41:44	topcat001	Right thanks just read up on it. So, this is nice for hardware support. KDE seems to have implemented some stuff to heed WMI generated events, cool.
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2024-07-23 23:43:45	topcat001	It makes sense because in windows, wmi is not just a wdm (windows driver model) extension but also has a hardware component
2024-07-23 23:44:10	topcat001	I didn't realise that Linux had started supporting it
2024-07-23 23:45:41	topcat001	Actually I just forgot haha. My Dells have always had this.
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2024-07-23 23:45:51	teraflops	asus and tuxedo iirc for sure, some more most likely
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2024-07-23 23:46:12	topcat001	y it's all coming back now :)
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2024-07-23 23:48:15	teraflops	this (asus rog) laptop has a set of tools that makes life easier on linux, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ASUS_Linux
2024-07-23 23:48:17	phrik	Title: ASUS Linux - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-23 23:48:21	Juest	hi, is systemd the only supported init?
2024-07-23 23:48:39	teraflops	officially supported, yes
2024-07-23 23:49:22	topcat001	rog is a good system for linux now it seems; popular too
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2024-07-23 23:49:29	Juest	i see, and unofficially?
2024-07-23 23:49:48	MacGyver	Also yes.
2024-07-23 23:50:03	topcat001	unofficially one can do their own thing in private :)
2024-07-23 23:50:49	Juest	i mean, are there arch linux systems running openrc successfully?
2024-07-23 23:51:15	Juest	*arch* not [insert distro here]
2024-07-23 23:51:22	MacGyver	No.
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2024-07-23 23:51:34	MacGyver	Arch is systemd-based. Derivatives that avoid systemd exist, but they're not Arch.
2024-07-23 23:51:57	Juest	that's what i thought, so anything not running the officially sanctioned init is not arch then?
2024-07-23 23:52:08	MacGyver	You can brew something at home yourself but you're effectively rolling your own derivative at that point.
2024-07-23 23:52:21	Juest	okay thank you
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2024-07-24 00:03:23	JL2210	is there any way to make udev or libinput (not sure which) ignore inputs from a specific event device?
2024-07-24 00:03:55	JL2210	disabling the event device might work, but it might make my battery not work
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2024-07-24 00:04:21	MacGyver	Sounds like you want to disable automatic suspend on low battery alert?
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2024-07-24 00:04:56	JL2210	no, sorry, I want it to stop sending key_mute from my keyboard and only send it from wmi/vice versa
2024-07-24 00:04:59	gwentpl	Juest: you can use Artix if you wish to stay away from systemd, but yeah, any changes not officially supported shouldn't be considered Arch by then
2024-07-24 00:05:07	JL2210	i just noticed the wmi handler does battery stuff too
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2024-07-24 00:05:24	JL2210	as of now it just mutes and immediately unmutes my speakers
2024-07-24 00:06:09	MacGyver	Did you figure out which keypress it's sending?
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2024-07-24 00:06:33	JL2210	113 KEY_MUTE
2024-07-24 00:07:10	JL2210	it might be a kernel regression tbh, looks like it was changed for dell in 6.2
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2024-07-24 00:30:22	ownerdoom	hi
2024-07-24 00:31:06	ownerdoom	I want to adopt this xrestop package, but I can't!
2024-07-24 00:31:15	ownerdoom	adopt: permission denied
2024-07-24 00:31:24	ownerdoom	i use: ssh aur@aur.archlinux.org adopt xrestop
2024-07-24 00:31:52	Namarrgon	This one still has a maintainer
2024-07-24 00:32:04	Namarrgon	Or are you 'slackjeff'?
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2024-07-24 00:33:54	ownerdoom	Namarrgon: yes i slackjeff
2024-07-24 00:34:17	ownerdoom	sorry it's my first package :P
2024-07-24 00:34:46	Antiz	You are already the maintainer for it then ;)
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2024-07-24 00:35:04	Antiz	See https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/xrestop
2024-07-24 00:35:08	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - xrestop (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-07-24 00:35:18	ownerdoom	thks 
2024-07-24 00:36:33	ownerdoom	I'm reading some documentation about maintainer... Is there anything that talks about send  via git?
2024-07-24 00:39:10	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR_submission_guidelines#Publishing_new_package_content
2024-07-24 00:39:12	phrik	Title: AUR submission guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-24 00:39:37	Namarrgon	Assuming you meant 'push via git'
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2024-07-24 00:45:22	ownerdoom	ty!
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2024-07-24 01:19:41	ℹ 	Topic set by phrik (~phrik@phrik.archlinux.org) on Sat, 13 Jul 2024 16:47:58
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2024-07-24 01:46:51	topcat001	JL2210: Can you configure KDE/Kmix to ignore WMI events?
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2024-07-24 01:47:28	topcat001	In other words, what in KDE causes the issue but not in sway?
2024-07-24 01:47:46	Juest	is it possible to bring up the package selection when attempting to install a "provided" virtual package that is ambiguous?
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2024-07-24 01:48:49	Namarrgon	Only if you don't have any of the providers installed already.
2024-07-24 01:49:38	Juest	oh i see, and if i do have any of the providers already installed?
2024-07-24 01:49:57	Namarrgon	Do you want to switch providers?
2024-07-24 01:49:58	Juest	could i suggest that feature since its not possible then?
2024-07-24 01:50:11	Juest	i want to install more software that provides the same thing
2024-07-24 01:50:22	Juest	eg: multiple DAWs
2024-07-24 01:50:32	Namarrgon	Then install the other provider.
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2024-07-24 01:50:46	Namarrgon	As long as they don't conflict.
2024-07-24 01:51:16	Juest	well, i can only get a list of providers by doing pacman -Ss <virtual provider>?
2024-07-24 01:51:30	Namarrgon	Yes
2024-07-24 01:51:47	Juest	would've hoped that i could do that with the info command
2024-07-24 01:51:53	Juest	can i suggest that as a feature?
2024-07-24 01:51:59	Namarrgon	You can suggest it on the pacman bugtracker.
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2024-07-24 01:52:09	Juest	i see, thank you
2024-07-24 01:52:23	espresso	hi slim! that's my part-Siamese cat's name too. :D
2024-07-24 01:52:45	Juest	i tend to be vague at explaining features or bugs, should it be fine for this?
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2024-07-24 01:53:48	Namarrgon	Sure
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2024-07-24 01:54:31	Juest	would it be fine to also include a request to list package groups?
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2024-07-24 01:54:43	Namarrgon	You can already list package groups.
2024-07-24 01:54:53	Juest	not package groups' info
2024-07-24 01:55:19	Namarrgon	groups are just tags, there is no "group info"
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2024-07-24 01:56:01	Juest	ah i see, confusingly searching with pacman seems to also find occurences in tags, provides, etc which might be misleading for some users
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2024-07-24 01:57:57	slim	espresso: hello, 's a good name, pats and/or treats are in order!
2024-07-24 01:59:09	Juest	okay thanks Namarrgon, i'll look into putting the suggestions for consideration, i hope it helps other users as well
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2024-07-24 02:13:01	Juest	ummm, would it be feasible to implement glob/regex in pacman operations? i mean like using the asterisk to select multiple packages when doing install/remove operations
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2024-07-24 02:15:23	Namarrgon	You can already pipe package names into pacman
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2024-07-24 11:55:44	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-07-24 11:42:53	alwyn	teraflops: I really don't, but if it gives too many issues...
2024-07-24 11:43:10	alwyn	Very specifically it's the ASUS ROG Zephyrus M16 GU603ZW-K8062W
2024-07-24 11:43:36	alwyn	Or simply GU603ZW
2024-07-24 11:55:45	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-07-24 11:56:22	teraflops	alwyn: right now Im using nvidia mux with hyperland just fine
2024-07-24 11:56:29	teraflops	rog zephyrus g14 2024
2024-07-24 11:57:06	teraflops	i only do that or playing games on steam, the main status is hybryd or even only igpu mode
2024-07-24 11:57:40	teraflops	or/for
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2024-07-24 12:03:36	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-07-24 12:01:05	alwyn	idk what I'm doing wrong then. Like mentioned, I get frequent crashes with nouveau and flickering of my screen on both xorg and wayland with proprietary
2024-07-24 12:03:37	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-07-24 12:03:50	teraflops	hmm
2024-07-24 12:04:27	teraflops	alwyn: not sure what is going on there but since I switched to nvidia open all my issues with nvidia vanished
2024-07-24 12:05:32	alwyn	I haven't tried nvidia open yet, how stable is it?
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2024-07-24 12:05:45	teraflops	here, wornderfully stable
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2024-07-24 12:08:06	teraflops	for nvidia w/ hyprland I followed this https://wiki.hyprland.org/Nvidia/
2024-07-24 12:08:08	phrik	Title: NVidia – Hyprland Wiki (at wiki.hyprland.org)
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2024-07-24 12:39:51	Erus_Iluvatar	alwyn: NVIDIA now recommends it over the proprietary module with their latest beta :)
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2024-07-24 13:25:53	alwyn	teraflops: I followed all of those instructions (but without hyprland) with no result
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2024-07-24 13:28:52	teraflops	;(
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2024-07-24 14:20:26	CarloWood	Hi, I'm using fluxbox and have this entry in ~/.fluxbox/apps for `[app] (name=attach_gdb) (class=konsole)` with `[Head] {1}`. Likewise it has an entry `[app] (name=konsole) (class=konsole)` also with `[Head] {1}`. 
2024-07-24 14:20:42	CarloWood	If I just run `konsole` from the command line, it opens on Head 1.
2024-07-24 14:21:07	CarloWood	If I run `konsole --name "attach_gdb"` it opens on Head 3 however :/.
2024-07-24 14:22:00	CarloWood	I can't figure out why... I searched for `attach_gdb` in ~/.config and looks in the System Settings, but can't find anything.
2024-07-24 14:22:10	ponies	its not really an arch question 
2024-07-24 14:22:11	CarloWood	Anyone who has an idea where to look next?
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2024-07-24 14:22:29	ponies	!give CarloWood aw fluxbox
2024-07-24 14:22:30	phrik	CarloWood: Fluxbox - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fluxbox
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2024-07-24 14:23:19	CarloWood	The configuration of fluxbox is correct. I'm asking what else could be interfering.
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2024-07-24 14:24:10	ponies	nothing that i can think of and i dont know about fluxbox 
2024-07-24 14:24:26	astralc	is it really the "name" for the window?
2024-07-24 14:24:40	astralc	according to xprops (or whatever shows it)
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2024-07-24 14:25:07	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-07-24 14:25:07	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1404 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1404 regular)
2024-07-24 14:24:53	ponies	only the class is attached to head 1 it seems 
2024-07-24 14:24:55	CarloWood	astralc: yes - all other configuration in that block are applied. For example the Workspace.
2024-07-24 14:25:07	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-07-24 14:28:10	CarloWood	astralc: yes - all other configuration in that block are applied. For example the [Workspace], [Maximized], [Jump], [Layer] and [Close] from that [app] block are all honored.
2024-07-24 14:28:12	ponies	in order for the terminal there is some rc stuff to do 
2024-07-24 14:28:18	CarloWood	sorry for the repeat
2024-07-24 14:28:38	ponies	sorry i mean to say, for the termianl to take title name of whatever, you need stuff in bashrc 
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2024-07-24 14:31:38	CarloWood	I could use maybe devilspie to see what WM messages are being sent to the window... or is there a better tool for that?
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2024-07-24 14:32:52	ponies	CarloWood: https://github.com/MrElendig/dotfiles-alice/blob/master/.zshrc right here you see? 
2024-07-24 14:33:08	ponies	lmao MrElendig came up on google 
2024-07-24 14:33:26	ponies	aw wait no no.. i was archwiki :)
2024-07-24 14:36:22	astralc	CarloWood: according to man page "name" match "WM_CLASS" not "WM_NAME"
2024-07-24 14:36:47	CarloWood	Ok - then it makes sense that it works.
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2024-07-24 14:38:59	CarloWood	The only thing I can remember to have used to place windows however is devilspie, which I'm not running anymore - the session manager of plasma, where I can't find attach_gdb back, and fluxbox... I DO remember that at some point I wanted this to open on Head 3, I think... 
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2024-07-24 14:50:48	CarloWood	I figured it out... seems some kind of bug. I have "Save on close" on and that for some reason had added the line:
2024-07-24 14:50:51	CarloWood	  [Position]    (UPPERLEFT)     {600% 0%}
2024-07-24 14:51:25	CarloWood	And it turns out that this 600% causes it to put it on the far right monitor instead of on Head 1, which is in the middle.
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2024-07-24 14:57:11	CarloWood	Yep, definitely a bug. You can't have [Head] [Position] and [Close] {Yes} in there at the same time. It saves/changes the Position in a way that the change in Head is undone.
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2024-07-24 16:53:33	shoe	hey so can i move from nvidia-beta from the aur to nvidia-open?
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2024-07-24 16:53:59	teraflops	just install nvidia-open
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2024-07-24 16:54:49	shoe	yeah but i was wondering if that's the same as nvidia-beta
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2024-07-24 16:55:12	teraflops	idk check version numbers
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2024-07-24 16:57:05	Scimmia	560 is still in beta, so it's not in nvidia/nvidia-open yet
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2024-07-24 16:58:43	Scimmia	the equivilant would be nvidia-open-beta
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2024-07-24 17:13:32	shoe	hmm
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2024-07-24 17:14:03	CarloWood	How well does nvidia-open support 3D / cuda / ray-tracing / etc?
2024-07-24 17:14:18	grym	CarloWood: afaik, "not at all" wrt cuda
2024-07-24 17:15:29	CarloWood	I never gave "open" (reverse engineered) drivers a thought since last time I checked (decades ago) they always only supported the 2D desktop, but not 3D.
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2024-07-24 17:15:51	Erus_Iluvatar	CarloWood: don't confuse nvidia-open and nouveau
2024-07-24 17:15:52	Scimmia	grym: you'll have to back that up, as nvidia are transitioning completey to the open driver and say it supports everything
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2024-07-24 17:16:40	CarloWood	Ah, so nvidia-open is developed by nvidia?
2024-07-24 17:16:43	Erus_Iluvatar	yep
2024-07-24 17:16:44	Scimmia	yes
2024-07-24 17:16:53	CarloWood	cool
2024-07-24 17:16:58	Erus_Iluvatar	CarloWood: https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-transitions-fully-towards-open-source-gpu-kernel-modules/
2024-07-24 17:16:59	novns	CarloWood, beginning with the CUDA 12.6 nvidia-open is supported
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2024-07-24 17:17:57	novns	they make a lot of effort to replace old closed nvidia with nvidia-open
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2024-07-24 17:18:38	grym	Scimmia: "are transitioning" very easily means "maybe one day but surely not now", and i don't trust nvidia to do anything sanely 
2024-07-24 17:18:41	shoe	how open is the 'open' driver? 
2024-07-24 17:18:49	shoe	as it is currently 
2024-07-24 17:19:04	grym	nvidia-open is new to me, though; i was thinking of nouveau 
2024-07-24 17:19:11	Scimmia	grym: see the blog post Erus_Iluvatar just gave, everything after Ada Lovelace won't be supported by the closed driver at all
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2024-07-24 17:19:37	novns	shoe, firmwares are closed, the driver itself is open
2024-07-24 17:19:46	novns	https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules
2024-07-24 17:20:01	grym	interesting
2024-07-24 17:20:06	Scimmia	the userspace is still propriatary, though
2024-07-24 17:20:22	grym	i'm still on 555.x, so i guess when 560 is stable enough i'll learn about it 
2024-07-24 17:20:24	novns	they cannot open everything at once
2024-07-24 17:20:34	shoe	novns: is that about the same as AMD, then? or more closed off
2024-07-24 17:20:36	grym	with an A4000
2024-07-24 17:20:36	Erus_Iluvatar	yep, and the firmware is big enough that people have complained much of it could/should have been in the kernel module but 🤷
2024-07-24 17:20:45	novns	because of a lot of legal issues
2024-07-24 17:20:48	shoe	IIRC amd open stuff still had proprietary blobs?
2024-07-24 17:21:22	Scimmia	yeah, but that's true for a lot of hardware
2024-07-24 17:22:02	grym	https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-transitions-fully-towards-open-source-gpu-kernel-modules/#using_package_managers_with_the_cuda_metapackage  so maybe if i'm lucky it'll just happen one day 
2024-07-24 17:22:40	Namarrgon	Though, the issues with out-of-tree modules still remain, even with the open driver.
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2024-07-24 17:24:55	novns	even our human DNA firmware is proprietary and closed, we can only try to decompile it with a little success
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2024-07-24 17:25:36	shoe	novns: idk if i would call it proprietary 
2024-07-24 17:25:44	shoe	lots of forks of it 
2024-07-24 17:25:57	BrainDamage	it's not compiled from an original language
2024-07-24 17:26:11	BrainDamage	so decompile doesn't have much sense here
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2024-07-24 17:26:52	novns	we can invent some domain specific language for this
2024-07-24 17:28:25	shoe	novns: i mean it exists 
2024-07-24 17:28:31	shoe	ATGC 
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2024-07-24 17:28:53	shoe	we can read DNA sequences we just dont know what everything does 
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2024-07-24 17:30:28	novns	shoe, ATGC is low-level and full of GOTOs, it's not structured properly
2024-07-24 17:31:15	shoe	novns: sure, but its more like someone wrote all that machine code manually, rather than it being compiled from a higher level language
2024-07-24 17:31:16	novns	we need a declarative functional language
2024-07-24 17:32:01	shoe	novns: i disagree. we need a memory safe, blazingly fast language with fearless concurrency and strict borrow checking
2024-07-24 17:32:06	bswartz	Offtopic?
2024-07-24 17:32:08	novns	like PGL - "Proteins Generation Language"
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2024-07-24 17:34:32	grym	and oversimplified
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2024-07-24 17:40:41	chikuwasuka	i am still on 535. it seems as though nvidia will never fix the kernel panic bug with laptops, so i can only hope nvidia-open actually has true feature parity and doesn't cause suspend problems
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2024-07-24 17:42:32	grym	535 doesn't work with newer cudas, so ... ancient history 
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2024-07-24 17:54:23	Earnestly	BrainDamage: assam and ceylon, good suggestion, works well
2024-07-24 17:55:37	demonicmaniac1	the nvidia open is not comparable to amd in any way shape or form - nvidia simply added a microcontroller that talks to the actual gpu and the open kernel module only allows walking to the microcontroller which is also why it only supports newer cards with the gsp
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2024-07-24 17:57:55	MacGyver	Earnestly: Mixing teas? Isn't that a sin against some Leviticus verse in the Anglican bible?
2024-07-24 17:58:00	demonicmaniac1	there is no intention to make anything open on the nvidia side regardless of legality - it's simply a move to make the gsp do all the work
2024-07-24 17:59:06	shoe	demonicmaniac1: is it going to make development for nvidia gpus easier, at least?
2024-07-24 17:59:23	demonicmaniac1	shoe: in what way?
2024-07-24 18:00:06	demonicmaniac1	nouveau can talk to the gsp and doesn't need their own signed firmware anymore which still prevents reclocking and stuff on older cards pre gsp
2024-07-24 18:00:07	shoe	demonicmaniac1: with regards to wl-roots, they don't support nvidia cards because nvidia is hard to develop for, iirc
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2024-07-24 18:01:04	demonicmaniac1	it has no bearing on that in any way
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2024-07-24 18:03:22	chikuwasuka	i can only hope that by the time i buy my next laptop, amd/intel actually are making laptop gpus again
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2024-07-24 18:03:39	Earnestly	MacGyver: Whenever you read 'body' it's assam, 'bright' is ceylon and 'strong' is kenyan. Twinings English Breakfast is specifically 1:1 assam and ceylon, most others are just whatever gets swept up off the floor
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2024-07-24 18:04:05	demonicmaniac1	dgpus in laptops are silly and egpus with usb4 which is tb3 compatible are a thing - besides igps get ever more powerful
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2024-07-24 18:04:36	MacGyver	Earnestly: I knew about the sweepings, I know f*-all about black teas beyond that really.
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2024-07-24 18:04:56	Earnestly	igpus are ridiculously capable, nevermind normal needs, being able to handle the metro games is "more than enough"
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2024-07-24 18:05:35	demonicmaniac1	ofc ddr5 bandwidth helps immensely
2024-07-24 18:05:43	MacGyver	Earnestly: I'm afraid you'd have a bit of trouble getting Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition running on one.
2024-07-24 18:05:44	chikuwasuka	my laptop's igpu is seven times less powerful than its lower-end dgpu, never mind something like a 7900m/4080
2024-07-24 18:05:53	Earnestly	This sandybridge gpu can even do torchlight 2 at 40ish fps with medium settings, that was the last game I tried though
2024-07-24 18:06:35	Earnestly	MacGyver: Right it's only the very latest, but for most things they're seriously usable
2024-07-24 18:06:37	MacGyver	But then Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition is also rather meh, graphically.
2024-07-24 18:06:42	teraflops	the radeon 780M (16) of this laptop is a very good igpu
2024-07-24 18:07:22	demonicmaniac1	the 780m is about 1/2 to 1/3 of a nividia 4050 mobile depending on the tdp of the 4050
2024-07-24 18:07:24	chikuwasuka	my old laptop could do valheim at minimum settings, mostly, with the igpu. any "aaa" game would have been hopeless
2024-07-24 18:07:45	bluetail	teraflops my 6950XT is too slow for couple of displays and capturecard
2024-07-24 18:07:58	bluetail	The moment I open ffplay through the cams stuff becomes too slow
2024-07-24 18:08:07	teraflops	need more power
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2024-07-24 18:09:40	Earnestly	protip; don't buy a fancy gpu if you're doing CAD, because CAD does not use it much
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2024-07-24 18:11:05	teraflops	you do not need ray tracing for rendering things in autocad?
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2024-07-24 18:11:50	Earnestly	Basically no
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2024-07-24 18:12:20	demonicmaniac1	Earnestly: you do need a pro gpu tho which doesn't take any shortcuts and properly adheres to the opengl spec :D that's literally 95% of what a pro gpu does over a consumer gpu - make the driver be compliant
2024-07-24 18:12:51	demonicmaniac1	plus some lower clocks usually for stability
2024-07-24 18:13:07	Earnestly	It may be the case that some of the CFD stuff might make use of the gpu to display simulations
2024-07-24 18:13:19	Earnestly	But otherwise very light on the requirements
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2024-07-24 18:13:49	Earnestly	teraflops: (You can check more modern stuff like creo which does use gpu for sim)
2024-07-24 18:14:10	Earnestly	Otherwise it's as demonicmaniac1 notes, basic opengl, nothing fancy
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2024-07-24 18:15:06	demonicmaniac1	you can do stuff via compute shaders but hardly anything i know does that because compute shader working reliably across gpus/vendors is still a nightmare
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2024-07-24 18:15:27	demonicmaniac1	and nothing uses opencl sadly :/
2024-07-24 18:15:41	teraflops	things that I do is scanning with iphone's lidar and open it in blender
2024-07-24 18:15:47	demonicmaniac1	technically with clvk and opencl on vulkan via spirv it should be available to everything and compliant with opencl 3.0 even
2024-07-24 18:15:49	Earnestly	creo uses cuda, to butress point about nothing using opencl
2024-07-24 18:17:31	demonicmaniac1	speaking of blender - i sure hope they get working on improving 4.2 rendering soon, the hit from 4.1 to 4.2 and eevee-next is pretty much insane
2024-07-24 18:17:37	demonicmaniac1	not noticed it looking better in any way for shadows/lighting in shaded preview but boy the fps is easily halved
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2024-07-24 18:18:24	demonicmaniac1	a shame the old renderer isn't available as an extension to switch back to for lower end hardware
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2024-07-24 18:47:37	zxfx	yo
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2024-07-24 18:49:13	gehidore	phrik give zxfx welcomerpg
2024-07-24 18:49:14	phrik	zxfx: Greetings, traveller of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get borked today?
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2024-07-24 18:58:22	System_o_Packets	Im having an issue in which as soon as I login to sddm the screen goes black and then just goes back to the sddm login prompt, plasma isn't opening
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2024-07-24 19:01:10	espresso	System_o_Packets: while I don't recall the specific problem, one of the posts surely does.. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%253Abbs.archlinux.org+SDDM+black+screen
2024-07-24 19:01:10	phrik	Title: site%3Abbs.archlinux.org SDDM black screen at DuckDuckGo (at duckduckgo.com)
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2024-07-24 19:26:00	System_o_Packets	I've tried a few things and im still having issues, ive recorded it here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1etJVjn597Se0lXSMGATODVUxFdpl9Cym/view?usp=drive_link
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2024-07-24 19:41:07	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-07-24 19:42:03	bluetail	nice bum
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2024-07-24 19:43:14	bluetail	assert link is safe
2024-07-24 19:43:20	bluetail	? when
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2024-07-24 19:44:07	System_o_Packets	what?
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2024-07-24 19:45:02	bluetail	Assume threat. Assert link is safe when?
2024-07-24 19:45:12	System_o_Packets	oh
2024-07-24 19:45:52	System_o_Packets	yeah its just a webm file
2024-07-24 19:48:49	astralc	I can't access it without "requesting access". I assume it bad
2024-07-24 19:50:56	System_o_Packets	ok i fixed acces permissions: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1etJVjn597Se0lXSMGATODVUxFdpl9Cym/view?usp=sharing
2024-07-24 19:50:57	phrik	Title: Arch-screen0.webm - Google Drive (at drive.google.com)
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2024-07-24 19:51:51	astralc	also, text is better, I can't mind read your computer (so plasma crash on login) - give more info about configs, hardware, aur packages you installed
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2024-07-24 19:51:55	astralc	it is VM?
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2024-07-24 19:52:48	astralc	+ is plasma xorg working?
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2024-07-24 19:53:10	System_o_Packets	yes it is a vm and i have the necessary aware drivers installed, for sddm and plasma configs its using the unedited defaults
2024-07-24 19:53:37	System_o_Packets	xorg version returns same result
2024-07-24 19:54:22	astralc	check journalctl
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2024-07-24 19:58:55	astralc	can you login to other session type, or in tty?
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2024-07-24 19:59:52	System_o_Packets	no i cant, however im currently checking journalctl through chroot
2024-07-24 20:00:07	System_o_Packets	so i do have chroot
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2024-07-24 20:02:37	astralc	you can't even log in as root in tty?
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2024-07-24 20:04:00	System_o_Packets	the standard key bind ctrl+alt+f2 doesn't work apparently
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2024-07-24 20:04:55	System_o_Packets	and i installed sudo gave my own account sudo and left root without password
2024-07-24 20:04:57	astralc	reboot into tty (add target=multi-user.target to the kernel command line during boot)
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2024-07-24 20:08:42	System_o_Packets	I added that to my grub config and it still brought me to sddm
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2024-07-24 20:13:20	astralc	sorry, it is "systemd.unit=..." instead "target=..."
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2024-07-24 20:15:27	System_o_Packets	ok im in
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2024-07-24 20:17:44	astralc	you can try starting plasma, and check journal
2024-07-24 20:17:46	astralc	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE#From_the_console
2024-07-24 20:17:47	phrik	Title: KDE - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-07-24 20:23:59	System_o_Packets	ok i think i found it i forgot to create my home directory during setup
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2024-07-24 20:26:36	System_o_Packets	yep that was the issue
2024-07-24 20:27:20	Earnestly	Aw, my old arch usb is just under 1G so I can't stick the new iso on it
2024-07-24 20:28:05	astralc	forgetting the -m in useradd can cause problems ;)
2024-07-24 20:28:47	System_o_Packets	thank you for your help.
2024-07-24 20:29:06	astralc	!next
2024-07-24 20:29:07	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2024-07-24 20:59:14	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-07-24 20:59:15	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-07-24 21:49:35	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-07-24 21:49:35	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1412 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1412 regular)
2024-07-24 21:48:38	jelle	bro
2024-07-24 21:48:51	jelle	forum thread is not an issue
2024-07-24 21:49:38	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-07-24 21:49:52	espresso	oh, of course, first one might check issues in the appropriate repo
2024-07-24 21:50:06	⚡ 	jelle facepalms
2024-07-24 21:50:09	jelle	jonathankeller: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/releng report it here
2024-07-24 21:50:10	phrik	Title: Arch Linux / releng · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-07-24 21:50:27	jelle	or bug nl6720 somewhere :-)
2024-07-24 21:51:00	jonathankeller	thank you!
2024-07-24 21:51:26	jelle	jonathankeller: likely #archlinux-projects is a good start :)
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2024-07-24 22:00:03	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-07-24 21:48:38	jelle	bro
2024-07-24 21:48:51	jelle	forum thread is not an issue
2024-07-24 21:49:52	espresso	oh, of course, first one might check issues in the appropriate repo
2024-07-24 21:50:06	⚡ 	jelle facepalms
2024-07-24 21:50:09	jelle	jonathankeller: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/releng report it here
2024-07-24 21:50:10	phrik	Title: Arch Linux / releng · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-07-24 21:50:27	jelle	or bug nl6720 somewhere :-)
2024-07-24 21:51:00	jonathankeller	thank you!
2024-07-24 21:51:26	jelle	jonathankeller: likely #archlinux-projects is a good start :)
2024-07-24 21:55:38	espresso	a bit caught off-guard to see an issue actually narrowed down to a specific package :P
2024-07-24 21:56:27	jelle	its not a package
2024-07-24 21:57:50	espresso	jelle: 'release engineering'? Why's everyone using the forum then?
2024-07-24 21:58:11	jelle	espresso: wdym?
2024-07-24 21:58:51	jelle	what makes you think everyone uses the forum?
2024-07-24 22:00:06	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-07-24 22:02:13	espresso	jelle: Sorry, I didn't mean 'everyone' categorically, but 'everyone using the forum to post issues'. I can't recall seeing much reference to gitlab unless the issue is known with a specific package.
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2024-07-25 01:58:17	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-07-24 23:29:20	comrumino	eufi direct boot uki vs eufit boot loader, any particular reason for one over the other
2024-07-24 23:29:38	tusko	mostly a matter of political preference
2024-07-24 23:29:39	Edu4rdSHL	Personal preference
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2024-07-25 00:06:40	cloudowind	goodays Archpeople
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2024-07-25 00:33:44	uniquenickname5	I'm trying to install from a USB flashdrive into a virtual machine. Everything seems to work well up to the point of having a usable ethernet connection, which doesn't work. "#ip addr" shows i have enX0 which doesn't have an ip address assigned, even after running "#dhclient enX0". in other VMs, networking works just fine. i've tried also manually adding a nameserver entry in /etc/resolv.conf,
2024-07-25 00:33:44	uniquenickname5	which hasn't helped. any suggestions on how to 
2024-07-25 00:33:44	uniquenickname5	get basic networking working so i can install?
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2024-07-25 00:38:37	uniquenickname5	I've been following the generic install guide and https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide#Verify_the_boot_mode shows I have no fw_platform_size file (/sys/firmware contains only acpi, dmi, and memmap).
2024-07-25 00:38:39	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-07-25 00:38:48	espresso	uniquenickname5: I thought the live installer should have dhcpcd running...
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2024-07-25 00:42:21	espresso	uniquenickname5: I could be mistaken, and needed to install and run dhcpcd, but was always able to use that during installation.
2024-07-25 00:46:02	espresso	uniquenickname5: as the wiki suggests, missing fw_platform_size could mean you are booted in BIOS/CSM mode, and might want to check manual if you are intending to use UEFI as most probably are
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2024-07-25 00:50:46	uniquenickname5	does it matter? pretty sure my system as a whole boots uefi (everything new/recent). if it does matter, is the manual stating i need to boot the vm into a different mode or the bare metal computer?
2024-07-25 00:50:48	espresso	uniquenickname5: and I think the install media probably comes with dhcpcd (active with `systemctl enable --now dhcpcd`) as it provides connectivity (but you can try manual setup, NetworkManager, systemd-networkd, etc if you have them)
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2024-07-25 00:51:49	espresso	the wiki explains some differences and limitations of BIOS, but people do still use it. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface
2024-07-25 00:51:50	phrik	Title: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-25 00:52:38	espresso	Oh-- vm should be able to do UEFI and that's probably preferable
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2024-07-25 00:53:36	uniquenickname5	`systemctl enable --now dhcpcd' fails. "See 'systemctl status reflector.service' for details."
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2024-07-25 00:54:48	uniquenickname5	i'm guessing Reflector is a program i'm supposed to download.
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2024-07-25 00:59:20	espresso	uniquenickname5: reflector ranks and updates mirrors in /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist, and I'm not sure why that popped up exactly. The wiki mentions there are sometimes issues when enabling dhcpcd for all the interfaces, so instead one can enable dhcpcd@<specific_interface>
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2024-07-25 01:01:54	uniquenickname5	needed to fuss over uploading the screenshot. any suggestion on where i can upload an image?
2024-07-25 01:02:12	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-07-25 01:02:27	phrik	uniquenickname5: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-07-25 01:09:13	shalok	Silly question, but what does `setterm --foreground green` do? I tried running it my linux console but it didn't change the foreground text color like I was expecting...
2024-07-25 01:10:11	espresso	uniquenickname5: It seems reflector service is just retrying, which I have not seen exactly, but should be solved with connectivity
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2024-07-25 01:11:11	monkfish	shalok: perhaps you have a fancy shell prompt that undoes it.
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2024-07-25 01:12:17	shalok	monkfish: I already tried unsetting PROMPT_COMMAND and my traps.
2024-07-25 01:12:27	uniquenickname5	espresso: chicken and egg scenario?
2024-07-25 01:12:41	monkfish	shalok: PS1 also matters. anyway, you can try "tput setaf 2" also.
2024-07-25 01:12:54	monkfish	either should work, really.
2024-07-25 01:13:11	shalok	Yeah I cleared PS1 as well.
2024-07-25 01:13:18	topcat001	uniquenickname5: can you post `ip a`?
2024-07-25 01:13:26	espresso	uniquenickname5: reflector is not needed for connectivity, just ranking mirrors. You might try 'systemctl enable --now dhcpcd@<your_interface>.service'
2024-07-25 01:14:55	shalok	monkfish: Oops, I mistyped resetting my PS1. =/
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2024-07-25 01:15:21	monkfish	shalok: it doesn't mean green per se. it means color 2 (on a scale of 0-7), which is commonly green, but not necessarily, depending on the effective palette. in a virtual console, it should be green unless you've gone out of your way to adjust the palette.
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2024-07-25 01:16:00	shalok	monkfish: btw, why is the default TERM linux instead of linux-16color?
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2024-07-25 01:16:34	monkfish	shalok: I don't know.
2024-07-25 01:16:54	vqueiroz	Why was Infinality packages removed from AUR?
2024-07-25 01:17:15	monkfish	shalok: that's a good question, since I would expect it to support bold colours in all cases, even without a framebuffer.
2024-07-25 01:17:39	shalok	monkfish: Who is responsible for deciding the value of the TERM variable?
2024-07-25 01:17:40	shalok	getty?
2024-07-25 01:18:52	monkfish	shalok: should be agetty in this case, yes.
2024-07-25 01:19:42	uniquenickname5	https://0x0.st/XplB.png
2024-07-25 01:20:05	monkfish	it's the terminal emulator's reponsibility in general, unsurprisingly.
2024-07-25 01:20:38	espresso	uniquenickname5: so if you were to try dhcpcd, it might look like 'systemctl enable --now dhcpcd@ehX0.service'
2024-07-25 01:20:50	espresso	*enX0
2024-07-25 01:23:11	monkfish	shalok: anyway, coming full circle, setterm just emits the ECMA-48 CSI sequence like printf '\033[32m' would.
2024-07-25 01:23:44	monkfish	shalok: er, SGR, not CSI. console_codes(4) is a convenient reference.
2024-07-25 01:24:38	shalok	monkfish: Yeah. I was originally looking for something that actually changes the default color (color 0).
2024-07-25 01:24:52	shalok	monkfish: setterm --foreground is not very useful since I can already do that with tput.
2024-07-25 01:25:03	monkfish	or by just printing the ECMA-48 sequence directly, yes.
2024-07-25 01:26:34	uniquenickname5	https://0x0.st/XplS.png
2024-07-25 01:27:22	monkfish	shalok: if you're interested in changing the palette of the linux console specifically, look up "ESC ] P" in console_codes(4).
2024-07-25 01:28:05	monkfish	shalok: you can reprogram any of the logical colours (0-15) that way. probably only works for a framebuffer console though, which shouldn't be a problem.
2024-07-25 01:28:23	lmat	I have a computer on which I run vncserver :0; and VNC to it to run a web browser and other things. Later in the day, I'm close to the computer and would like to run startx; and run other applications on the computer. If I try to run startx while vncserver :0 is running, it fails. I guess I can only run on X-org server at a time?
2024-07-25 01:28:44	shalok	monkfish: I don't know what a framebuffer console is. Is that the default?
2024-07-25 01:29:00	topcat001	uniquenickname5: the archiso should get dhcp networking automatically if your vm's network is working
2024-07-25 01:29:15	monkfish	shalok: a console that requires a framebuffer rather than, say, using the special text modes of IBM VGA, as all PC-AT compatibles once did.
2024-07-25 01:29:32	monkfish	shalok: if you don't know, you're almost certainly using a frambuffer comsole (cat /proc/fbinfo)
2024-07-25 01:29:51	monkfish	this is entirely unrelated to terminal emulators that you run in X11/wayland, by the way.
2024-07-25 01:30:09	espresso	uniquenickname5: yeah, maybe safe to undo my step with 'disable'. I'm not sure if you might have another network manager running..
2024-07-25 01:30:39	shalok	Interesting, so pre-framebuffer linux actually wrote ascii characters to the graphics card and the graphic card rendered the text?
2024-07-25 01:30:51	monkfish	shalok: roughly speaking, yes.
2024-07-25 01:31:00	monkfish	shalok: rendering performance was excellent, as you might imagine.
2024-07-25 01:31:15	uniquenickname5	arch's networking goes through the system's firewall VM, exactly the same as this VM i'm using to chat with. the problem isn't with networking outside of the arch VM, best as I can tell.
2024-07-25 01:31:37	shalok	monkfish: I would expect so since it was done in hardware. You're not being sarcastic are you?
2024-07-25 01:31:47	monkfish	shalok: I am not.
2024-07-25 01:32:17	monkfish	shalok: none of that is usable on UEFI now. you either get a UEFI GOP based framebuffer or one based on a kernel DRM driver.
2024-07-25 01:32:51	monkfish	unless it's emulating a BIOS (UEFI-CSM)
2024-07-25 01:33:51	monkfish	but it does also mean that the console can do more. in principle.
2024-07-25 01:34:34	uniquenickname5	"# ps aux | grep anager" gives "/usr/bin/ModemManager" and "dhcpcd: [manager] [ip4] [ip6]"
2024-07-25 01:38:03	monkfish	lmat: that shouldn't be the case. you can specify a distinct display number to startx, and even a given virtual console.
2024-07-25 01:40:02	monkfish	what you definitely can't do is have two instances trying to claim :0
2024-07-25 01:40:21	espresso	uniquenickname5: could NetworkManager still be running somehow? Since we should only use one manager, if you want to use dhcpcd, then 'systemctl disable --now NetworkManager'
2024-07-25 01:41:06	uniquenickname5	"Failed to disable unit: Unit NetworkManager.service does not exist"
2024-07-25 01:41:14	topcat001	uniquenickname5: I mean, for the VM you are having an issue with, booting with the iso (instead of the virtual disk) leads to a functional network? That would confirm that the problem is indeed with the install.
2024-07-25 01:41:48	topcat001	I am fairly sure it's the latter, since your other VMs work
2024-07-25 01:42:01	uniquenickname5	i'm booting the VM directly from attached USB stick with verified good ISO on it.
2024-07-25 01:42:15	topcat001	ok and network works?
2024-07-25 01:42:36	topcat001	note that the iso uses systemd-netwrkd
2024-07-25 01:42:43	uniquenickname5	network downstream of the VM i'm trying to install to works.
2024-07-25 01:42:58	espresso	topcat001: thanks for that important bit of information I forgot! ;)
2024-07-25 01:43:19	topcat001	ok so you have booted the vm from the iso, and have no netwrk from the iso shell
2024-07-25 01:43:31	uniquenickname5	correct.
2024-07-25 01:44:31	topcat001	thanks. Ok now your network setup ootb is: systemd-networkd for the ip part, and systemd-resolved for dns, unless you changed something
2024-07-25 01:44:42	topcat001	with dhcp configured ootb
2024-07-25 01:45:14	topcat001	are these services running? (remove your customisations or just reboot)
2024-07-25 01:45:26	topcat001	also forget about reflector for the time being
2024-07-25 01:45:56	topcat001	espresso: np
2024-07-25 01:50:11	uniquenickname5	rebooted. both networkd and resolved are running
2024-07-25 01:51:41	topcat001	can you please paste `systemctl status systemd-networkd.service`? We can ignore resolved/DNS for now.
2024-07-25 01:53:02	topcat001	since it did not get an ip, that means no dhcp server could be reached from the VM's network interface, otherwise it would be working already (automatic)
2024-07-25 01:54:34	uniquenickname5	https://0x0.st/XplJ.png
2024-07-25 01:55:36	topcat001	ty, and if you look at the .network file in that output, you'll see that dhcp is enabled
2024-07-25 01:56:14	topcat001	so, this is a problem with your vm's networking, not with the iso.
2024-07-25 01:57:28	topcat001	it has carrier, so the interface is connected. Just that nothing is responding to dhcp requests
2024-07-25 01:57:54	espresso	all seems logical
2024-07-25 01:59:19	topcat001	now if the issue is only with this vm (and since I have no idea what is the vm setup) and other vms work, perhaps you can try creating a new one from your template and boot that with the iso?
2024-07-25 02:00:25	topcat001	my point is attempting to solve this from within the iso/changing dhcp clients is perhaps not fruitful
2024-07-25 02:01:07	uniquenickname5	all i did was create a new blank vm with normal networking (no proxies, etc) and told it to boot straight from the external ISO. sounds like you want me to repeat all that, or is there something different i should do?
2024-07-25 02:02:00	espresso	as I recall,there are a few ways to setup networking in vm, like bridged, etc.
2024-07-25 02:02:06	topcat001	have you booted a vm with the iso before and had working network? Who provides dhcp for the vms, or do you use static networking?
2024-07-25 02:02:55	topcat001	espresso: exactly. Many pieces.
2024-07-25 02:03:10	uniquenickname5	first time installation. a different vm provides dhcp.
2024-07-25 02:03:55	topcat001	what is the hypervisor setup? qemu/libvirt cmdline/virt-manager gui?
2024-07-25 02:04:25	uniquenickname5	qubes. pretty vanilla setup.
2024-07-25 02:04:38	topcat001	you might temporarily try "host networking" to install, then later change to something else
2024-07-25 02:05:51	topcat001	I'm guessing the new VM is not on the same network as the dhcp vm so the latter cannot see/respond to dhcp requests
2024-07-25 02:06:21	uniquenickname5	same network
2024-07-25 02:07:21	topcat001	you can run tcpdump etc. on the dhcp server to check if it receives requests
2024-07-25 02:11:43	topcat001	btw networkd says gained ipv6 but your ip a did not have an ipv6 address. Is this correct?
2024-07-25 02:12:02	lmat	monkfish: That sounds great, I'll try to figure out how to do that, thank you! 
2024-07-25 02:12:39	topcat001	(doesn't matter much since it's LL; but curious)
2024-07-25 02:14:33	uniquenickname5	enX0 has "inet6" followed by some dark blue characters i can't read, then ending in /64" which i *think* represents ipv6 address. i historically avoid ipv6....
2024-07-25 02:16:57	topcat001	probably just LL; ignore for now
2024-07-25 02:17:36	topcat001	Unfortunately I don't know qubes so you will have to figure out how to enable dhcp for your arch qube. That is the issue.
2024-07-25 02:19:15	⚡ 	topcat001 reading https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/networking/
2024-07-25 02:19:56	uniquenickname5	the firewall vm isn't seeing dhclient requests from the arch vm, according to tcpdump.
2024-07-25 02:21:09	topcat001	can you paste the contents of the 20-xxx.network file in the last paste, just to be sure?
2024-07-25 02:21:42	topcat001	20-ethernet.network
2024-07-25 02:21:49	espresso	could it be in conflict with systemd-networkd?
2024-07-25 02:22:20	topcat001	what would be in conflict?
2024-07-25 02:23:05	espresso	topcat001: dhcpcd. Anyway, should be easy to disable as test
2024-07-25 02:23:11	topcat001	"The IP address of eth0 interface in AppVM, as well as two IP addresses to be used as nameservers (DNS1 and DNS2), are passed via QubesDB to AppVM during its boot (thus, there is no need for DHCP daemon in the network driver domain). " - hmmmmmm
2024-07-25 02:23:33	topcat001	dhcpcd should not be running automatically on a fresh iso boot
2024-07-25 02:24:09	espresso	topcat001: I instructed to try to enable it earlier, so was not sure
2024-07-25 02:24:28	topcat001	oh i see, but that should be wiped by the reboot
2024-07-25 02:24:38	espresso	yes!
2024-07-25 02:25:01	uniquenickname5	https://0x0.st/Xpl3.png
2024-07-25 02:25:03	topcat001	it's is definitely a qubes setup issue
2024-07-25 02:25:37	topcat001	ty yes that shows networkd is using dhcp
2024-07-25 02:26:34	uniquenickname5	i'm using a standalone vm, for what it's worth.
2024-07-25 02:27:03	topcat001	uniquenickname5: you have to figure out (sorry) why the dhcp requests are not getting through
2024-07-25 02:27:16	topcat001	but it's not the iso
2024-07-25 02:27:20	uniquenickname5	alright. thanks.
2024-07-25 02:27:41	topcat001	please let us know; I'm curious what the issue is
2024-07-25 02:28:57	topcat001	is a "standalone VM" different from an AppVM?
2024-07-25 02:30:01	topcat001	I only use kvm+qmu cmdline for my stuff (and should learn libvirt for compatibility with others :))
2024-07-25 02:30:05	uniquenickname5	a standalone is what one might consider a normal vm where it's installed and runs independently. an appvm has all its programs reloaded from a template on each boot, keeping vm-specific user files.
2024-07-25 02:30:34	topcat001	I see, thanks. It might be some security issue blocking the broadcasts
2024-07-25 02:31:33	topcat001	note that the iso has no firewall rules active OOTB
2024-07-25 02:31:38	espresso	testing the ISO in another configuration should provide some assurance it's working
2024-07-25 02:32:04	topcat001	yeah like qemu :D or just boot on metal
2024-07-25 02:32:47	topcat001	pretty sure iso is fine otherwise there would have been noise
2024-07-25 03:23:26	MrAureliusR	oh man, mIRC is a blast from the past
2024-07-25 03:45:33	tusko	people dont use mIRC anymore?
2024-07-25 04:06:50	⚡ 	bswartz slaps MrAureliusR around a bit with a large trout
2024-07-25 04:27:18	uniquenickname5	I think that according to https://www.reddit.com/r/Qubes/comments/dss532/standalonevm_installs_have_no_internet_connection/ I need to somehow copy over certain unspecified files into the vm so that networking functions.
2024-07-25 04:34:38	MacGyver	It sounds like qubes is not actually using DHCP for this.
2024-07-25 04:35:03	MacGyver	But rather some bespoke communication protocol to assign a static address.
2024-07-25 04:35:20	espresso	https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/networking/ seems to be directly implying that (although for some reason, not in large flashing text :))
2024-07-25 04:35:22	phrik	Title: Networking | Qubes OS (at www.qubes-os.org)
2024-07-25 04:43:31	MacGyver	So the good news is, manual IP assignment is trivial, just do `ip address add ...` with the address and prefix you configure in qubes, and `ip route add default via ...` with the address of the qubes networking VM (I guess that's how that works?)
2024-07-25 04:44:06	MacGyver	The bad news is that altering the arch iso to ship with this qubes tooling is probably a lot more trouble than it's worth.
2024-07-25 04:44:30	MacGyver	Oh and you'll also have to configure a DNS server in /etc/resolv.conf
2024-07-25 05:16:19	MacGyver	Hrrm. After an upgrade my gpg-agent's confirmation dialog and pinentry have become all "pretty", with no indication which button will be activated when you press enter.
2024-07-25 05:16:48	MacGyver	If that sounds familiar to anyone, please tell me why that is; if not, I'll troubleshoot it later.
2024-07-25 05:16:53	MacGyver	(Bed now)
2024-07-25 05:23:20	Juest	any private key should not be in pacman keyring for any reason, correct?
2024-07-25 05:28:50	rcf	Juest: you shouldn't be putting anything in there, no. 
2024-07-25 05:31:06	Juest	ah i see, i had the strange thought that maybe something within pacman required your own private key
2024-07-25 05:33:12	rcf	Juest: you might be thinking of makepkg verifying signatures, which will use your own keyring. 
2024-07-25 05:33:37	Juest	yep
2024-07-25 05:50:03	uniquenickname5	taking guidance from https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/standalones-and-hvms/#Setting_up_networking_for_HVMs, looks like manual setup could work. i got ip networking to function, no name resolution yet.
2024-07-25 05:50:04	phrik	Title: Standalones and HVMs | Qubes OS (at www.qubes-os.org)
2024-07-25 05:57:59	tusko	Juest did you make the switch?
2024-07-25 05:59:01	tusko	uniquenickname5: there is no other wiki than the archwiki
2024-07-25 06:04:24	Scimmia	Juest: you have a local master key that has a private key already
2024-07-25 06:04:42	Scimmia	it's generated when you initialize the keyring
2024-07-25 06:05:21	Juest	Scimmia: right, i was asking about the need to perform signing operations with other private keys in the pacman keyring but seems like its not needed
2024-07-25 06:05:42	Scimmia	only signing other keys to trust them
2024-07-25 06:12:16	Juest	i suppose you could bring your key in the pacman keyring to sign a higher trust for the developers you've met up with for example
2024-07-25 06:12:50	rcf	The appropriate way to do that would be to add them to your own keyring. But then the web of trust is broken anyway so it doesn't really matter. 
2024-07-25 06:14:20	Juest	rcf: sure but what if you want to locally trust them in the pacman keyring specifically? and dont want to bloat your keyring with randoms
2024-07-25 06:14:35	rcf	There wouldn't be much point in it. 
2024-07-25 06:14:44	Juest	okay i understand, thanks
2024-07-25 06:14:48	rcf	What do you do with those you don't trust fully? 
2024-07-25 06:15:16	rcf	They still have root on your system, after all. 
2024-07-25 06:15:25	Juest	you dont locally sign them, just those you want to trust because for example you met them
2024-07-25 06:15:38	Juest	its possible to deny trust with gpg, no?
2024-07-25 06:15:44	tusko	for pacman packages?
2024-07-25 06:15:50	rcf	If you deny trust, you either don't upgrade, or you end up with partial upgrades. 
2024-07-25 06:15:54	tusko	you're usually verifying a signature
2024-07-25 06:16:21	rcf	This often happens by accident, and causes problems. 
2024-07-25 06:17:18	Juest	just a really hypothetical example: say someone compromised a developer and pushed out packages that break the system, a effective way of blocking that once you're aware would be through the signature if its all of their load of packages.
2024-07-25 06:17:41	tusko	especially if you're doing foolish stuff like pacman -Syyu
2024-07-25 06:17:47	Juest	yes you would end up with a partial upgrade but you would react to the incomplete upgrade by retrying with ignored packages
2024-07-25 06:18:29	Juest	its actually better practice to do a sync and a update separately, similar to how you do first a fetch then a rebase in git
2024-07-25 06:18:34	Juest	imo
2024-07-25 06:18:46	Scimmia	it's really not
2024-07-25 06:18:54	Juest	..just to avoid the infamous merge commit from bloating history
2024-07-25 06:18:59	Juest	okay i stand corrected
2024-07-25 06:19:23	Scimmia	it's exactly the same, except it opens the potential for a partial update be between
2024-07-25 06:19:28	rcf	In theory it can work fine. In practice, it leads to the increased likelihood of "oh, I should install that," trying pacman -S whatever_new_package, and bam. Partial update. 
2024-07-25 06:19:49	tusko	pacman --needed
2024-07-25 06:21:17	Scimmia	as for an issue with a specific packager, you can disable keys in the pacman keyring
2024-07-25 06:22:00	tusko	fallback to the honor system
2024-07-25 06:22:02	rcf	Juest: regarding a compromised packager, that would be handled by revoking their credentials and pushing an update to the keyring, alongside rebuilding anything they'd possibly touched. A news item would obviously go out with any necessary steps. 
2024-07-25 06:23:04	Juest	rcf: well, im talking about the case of letting it slip for a while because it goes unnoticed for a long time
2024-07-25 06:23:14	Juest	and it got neutralized when its too late
2024-07-25 06:23:55	Scimmia	they key would just get disabled by the package, which you can do manually. Hell, I've got a current key disabled right now, it works
2024-07-25 06:23:58	Juest	something along the lines that the dev gets defended
2024-07-25 06:24:05	Juest	oh i see, interesting
2024-07-25 06:25:49	rcf	If the dev gets defended, the entire distribution is compromised. I have some degree of faith in the arch security people to take any credible reports seriously. 
2024-07-25 06:28:45	Juest	oh thanks, that's how it should be indeed :)
2024-07-25 06:43:38	switchnode	i've broken the right-click button on my touchpad. the libinput wiki page says that you can set TappingButtonMap to configure 1/2/3-finger taps as left/right/middle ("lrm") or left/middle/right ("lmr")... but is there a way to get nothing/right/middle?
2024-07-25 06:45:23	rcf	switchnode: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Libinput#Manual_button_re-mapping for Xorg, anyway 
2024-07-25 06:45:24	phrik	Title: libinput - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-25 06:46:42	rcf	You can disable by setting to 0. 
2024-07-25 06:52:24	switchnode	rcf: `xinput get-button-map` reports that the touchpad has seven buttons, but when i try enabling tapping, `xev` reports both left-click and single-tap as button 1, and multiple-taps incredibly inconsistently :/
2024-07-25 06:53:10	rcf	I suppose there isn't a more granular approach, then. 
2024-07-25 06:55:08	switchnode	perhaps i'd be better off mapping a keyboard shortcut to xdotool...
2024-07-25 07:13:41	switchnode	no, that seems not to be working. `xdotool click 3` does as i expect, but mapping it in my ~/.xbindkeysrc (to a key identified with `xbindkeys --key`) and then reloading with `killall -HUP xbindkeys` doesn't cause the mapped key to trigger it, even though my other key bindings still work.
2024-07-25 07:21:25	switchnode	i, uh, killed the old xbindkeys process and started a new one and now everything works. confusing, but i'll take it
2024-07-25 07:22:25	rcf	Nice that it works I suppose. 
2024-07-25 07:22:42	rcf	I can't say why, but if it does....
2024-07-25 08:35:33	MasterTJ123	Hi, anyone online?
2024-07-25 08:36:15	raster	nope
2024-07-25 08:36:19	raster	:)
2024-07-25 08:36:32	MasterTJ123	I'm having problems to use my xbox series elite controler on arch. Just downloaded xone package and rebooted, but nothing. What should I do?
2024-07-25 08:38:43	archdemon	MasterTJ123: did you read the wiki article?
2024-07-25 08:39:18	MasterTJ123	archdemon: yeah, trying to follow it, but I guess I'm doing something wrong
2024-07-25 08:39:37	archdemon	are you trying wired? or wireless
2024-07-25 08:40:13	archdemon	MasterTJ123: also how are you checking to see if its working
2024-07-25 08:40:19	MasterTJ123	archdemon: wirelles, with a dongle, guess that's what they called it...
2024-07-25 08:41:23	MasterTJ123	archdemon: I've installed the xone-dkms and xone-dongle-firmware packages. Then I rebooted the system and tried to connect the dongle, but it doesn't work
2024-07-25 08:41:45	archdemon	how are you testing it?
2024-07-25 08:42:24	archdemon	did you pair the controller and dongle?
2024-07-25 08:42:55	MasterTJ123	That's what I'm trying to do, but no lucky. The dongle light won't turn on and the controller won't pair
2024-07-25 08:43:36	archdemon	different usb port?
2024-07-25 08:45:33	MasterTJ123	archdemon: Nothing either
2024-07-25 08:46:22	MasterTJ123	Looks like the dongle is recognized, the system makes a noise to alert a device has been connected, but it won't work properly
2024-07-25 08:49:19	archdemon	all i can say is to make sure you are doing the pairing process right
2024-07-25 08:49:26	archdemon	i dont have one so im no help
2024-07-25 08:54:09	MasterTJ123	archdemon: oh, boy... I've downloaded xone-dkms instead of xone-dkms-git... looks like there's something on the git package that makes it work... well then, nevermind, it's working now, thanks for the help
2024-07-25 08:54:27	archdemon	MasterTJ123: well thats great
2024-07-25 08:54:30	archdemon	glad its working
2024-07-25 09:19:38	kelnoky	does anyone have any idea about this stuff: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2185700#p2185700
2024-07-25 09:19:39	phrik	Title: black screen after wake up from suspend / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-07-25 09:22:14	ponies	i reckon it a bug 
2024-07-25 09:23:57	ponies	you've edited those logs though 
2024-07-25 09:25:34	ponies	i mean your system time just jumps backwards 1.5 hours 
2024-07-25 09:26:43	Icedream	heyup, for a few updates now I see to have an issue with setting up an archlinux host as a wireguard node that masquerades to another VPN
2024-07-25 09:27:07	Icedream	as in I want wireguard peers connecting to this archlinux machine to be able to access stuff that's on an OpenVPN interface and it all should go via the VPN IP of the archlinux machine
2024-07-25 09:27:35	Icedream	network traffic from the archlinux machine to the VPN works fine, however wireguard peers can only go to the archlinux machine and won't get forwarded their traffic to the VPN
2024-07-25 09:27:51	Icedream	on wireshark i see that there's not even a single packet going through to the VPN interface whatsoever
2024-07-25 09:54:24	kelnoky	ponies: I assume you mean me? Yeah, I only took the part of journalctl of the last boot - the current boot didn't have a suspend
2024-07-25 10:01:51	smp	hi hi! yesterday i've updated my system to latest and now my fireface 800 (Firewire Audio Interface) is unusable due heavyli overgained sound. If i set the volume to 1% everything is unbelievable loud and distorted. I am not sure which component introduced that bug and today i will try to downgrade my kernel first. Does anyone had a similiar sound issues? I guess i havent updated for the 
2024-07-25 10:01:51	smp	past 3-4 weeks.
2024-07-25 10:05:59	Edu4rdSHL	smp, did you rebooted since the update?
2024-07-25 10:13:19	smp	Edu4rdSHL yes :) The interface still works flawless with Windows. I will later test it with a live disc in Ubuntu :)
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2024-07-25 12:09:36	shoe	anyone else’s firefox acting up after the recent update? 
2024-07-25 12:11:03	shoe	huh. chrome isn’t even opening, either 
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2024-07-25 12:19:44	shoe	nevermind, it’s my GPU drivers 
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2024-07-25 12:50:17	shoe	i need to run mkinitcpio after rolling back to a snapshot right? 
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2024-07-25 12:50:48	shoe	i don’t have snapshots of /boot sadly 
2024-07-25 12:52:17	Strykar	6.10 broke I225-V (rev 03) via igc, and here I thought 6.9 made progress
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2024-07-25 14:07:35	shoe	yeah
2024-07-25 14:07:45	shoe	snapshots are fantastic, can't believe i didn't use them before
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2024-07-25 14:16:59	MrElendig	shoe: what card/driver?
2024-07-25 14:18:05	shoe	MrElendig: nvidia, im on the beta drivers and i updated to 560 last night
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2024-07-25 14:18:11	shoe	but that broke a bunch of stuff for some reason
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2024-07-25 14:18:26	MrElendig	sure your runtime and kernel module matches?
2024-07-25 14:18:37	shoe	MrElendig: wdym?
2024-07-25 14:18:47	MrElendig	the version
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2024-07-25 14:18:57	shoe	its dkms so it auto rebuilds 
2024-07-25 14:19:04	MrElendig	having them not match is a really common issue
2024-07-25 14:19:32	MrElendig	shoe: maybe, if it didn't fail, and if you use early kms you would have to make sure the initramfs also got updated etc
2024-07-25 14:19:38	shoe	either ways im back to 555 now, i think ill be switching from nvidia-beta to nvidia-open
2024-07-25 14:19:57	MacGyver	I think the question is not whether the kernel module rebuilds, but whether its version matches the userspace components.
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2024-07-25 14:21:22	shoe	MacGyver: MrElendig would it not match if i just have the latest kernel version?
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2024-07-25 14:21:40	shoe	never really had to look too deep into it sorry 
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2024-07-25 14:24:11	Scimmia	shoe: no. The *loaded* version of the driver needs to match the userspace components
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2024-07-25 14:27:23	formerlinuxpower	my archlinux system upgrade broke for some reason. It was going through fine and then it stopped at one of the depmod steps (computer froze), this was the last message from pacman.log "[2024-07-24T01:38:15+0200] [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] ==> dkms install --no-depmod nvidia/555.58.02 -k 6.10.0-arch1-2". After reboot the grub couldn't boot complaining about corrupt vmlinuz image file. Fallback init 
2024-07-25 14:27:23	formerlinuxpower	in grub was also not working
2024-07-25 14:27:25	formerlinuxpower	Today I started doing the rescue, went in with live iso, arch-chrooted into the system, ran pacman -Syu again (had to remove db.lck), and it finished "successfully", even though it didn't really perform the initramfs generation nor any depmod stuff. Still I went in for a restart, now the vmlinuz seems fine but the initramfs loading afterwards gets stuck
2024-07-25 14:28:07	formerlinuxpower	I rechrooted and tried to run the mkinitcpio -p linux manually but says the preset file is empty so it won't regenerate the initrafms files...
2024-07-25 14:28:26	MrElendig	check if your esp is full
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2024-07-25 14:29:06	formerlinuxpower	MrElendig ok brb
2024-07-25 14:29:14	MrElendig	or whatever you have mounted to /boot
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2024-07-25 14:33:15	stewi	formerlinuxpower, you probably want "mkinitcpio -P". '-P' does all presets. I guess you supplied an empty one to '-p'.
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2024-07-25 14:34:07	xx0a_q	yes with '-p' you specify a preset, '-P' does all
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2024-07-25 15:14:27	formerlinuxpower	MrElendig: seems I have space: https://i.imgur.com/dAKMAFz.png
2024-07-25 15:14:50	formerlinuxpower	and I don't have separate boot partition
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2024-07-25 15:16:58	formerlinuxpower	stewi: I did specify -p linux the first time, still tried -P but I get same error. The picture I just posted ^ shows error at the end
2024-07-25 15:17:03	Namarrgon	'ls -l /etc/mkinitcpio.d/'
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2024-07-25 15:18:21	formerlinuxpower	Namarrgon: only the linux.preset file and it's empty
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2024-07-25 15:18:31	Namarrgon	Remove it and reinstall the linux package.
2024-07-25 15:18:49	formerlinuxpower	ok
2024-07-25 15:20:27	stewi	Any idea why the file would magically loose its contents? Seems somewhat concerning.
2024-07-25 15:20:42	formerlinuxpower	Namarrgon: it worked: https://i.imgur.com/iELdvSN.png
2024-07-25 15:21:07	gromit	stewi: what file was it? what filesystem are you on? did you check the SMART data for the drive?
2024-07-25 15:21:12	MacGyver	stewi: System freeze before fsync, probably.
2024-07-25 15:21:37	stewi	gromit, talking about formerlinuxpower's linux.preset file.
2024-07-25 15:22:33	stewi	formerlinuxpower, might be worth just taking a look at the output from 'sudo pacman -Qqkk' and confirming that other modifications make sense.
2024-07-25 15:22:40	astralc	buy the preset file shouldn't change if it already exist
2024-07-25 15:23:41	MacGyver	astralc: If you didn't make changes, doesn't pacman just overwrite the old one with the new one?
2024-07-25 15:24:03	Scimmia	no, if it exists, it isn't touched at all
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2024-07-25 15:24:22	astralc	it is not "backup file", it something in the pacman hook that create it
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2024-07-25 15:25:56	Scimmia	!give formerlinuxpower pacnew
2024-07-25 15:25:57	phrik	formerlinuxpower: Take care of your .pacnew and .pacsave files! https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Pacnew_and_Pacsave
2024-07-25 15:26:07	Scimmia	unrelated, but still important
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2024-07-25 16:24:38	ldiamond	I've been getting these sleep/restore problems for literally years now with amdgpu (on and off depending on the kernel). The latest one is very tricky because I don't have deterministic repro steps. I actually tried bisecting twice between two kernel versions known to be good and bad but on a fresh boot, the issue doesn't trigger. The second time around I tried starting `steam` to reproduce (I
2024-07-25 16:24:40	ldiamond	noticed, although could be wrong due to the apparent non-determinism of the issue, that sleep/restore worked when first closing steam) and while the repro worked on the first time on a known bad kernel, it didn't work on any of the tested commits and found no change causing the issue. Does anyone here know enough about GPUs and how they handle suspend to provide some pointer on how to find
2024-07-25 16:24:42	ldiamond	deterministic repro steps? Or, does anyone here have enough knowledge of the kernel and Arch's build system to tell me if building my kernel straight from the linux-stable repo may be why I can't repro during bisects?
2024-07-25 16:25:28	Namarrgon	"linux-stable" repo?
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2024-07-25 16:26:11	ldiamond	https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git
2024-07-25 16:26:13	phrik	Title: kernel/git/stable/linux.git - Linux kernel stable tree (at git.kernel.org)
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2024-07-25 16:26:45	Namarrgon	Arch's kernel does have any patches the would meaningfully change the suspend/resume behaviour. As long as you make sure to use the same kernel config, it should behave almost identically to the vanilla kernel.
2024-07-25 16:26:59	Namarrgon	*doesn't have any patches that would
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2024-07-25 16:27:44	ldiamond	Yea I seeded the config from my system: `zcat /proc/config.gz > .config`
2024-07-25 16:28:14	Sout_	https://github.com/archlinux/linux from https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/linux
2024-07-25 16:28:14	phrik	Title: Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / linux · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-07-25 16:58:53	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-07-25 19:42:46	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-07-25 20:52:40	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-07-25 22:48:04	m15k	Is there some tooling to sync git submodules with PKGBUILD? (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VCS_package_guidelines#Git_submodules)
2024-07-25 22:48:05	phrik	Title: VCS package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-07-25 22:48:50	gromit	m15k: parse-submodules from devtools
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2024-07-25 22:53:35	m15k	gromit: Guess you're talking about `archlinux-contrib` ?!
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2024-07-25 22:55:13	gromit	m15k: ah right
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2024-07-25 22:59:39	m15k	gromit: I wonder if it's the right approach to list all submodules in PKGBUILD when the application has a lot of direct and indirect submodule dependencies....
2024-07-25 22:59:52	m15k	In my case 10 direct, and 40 indirect.
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2024-07-25 23:16:32	gromit	m15k: you can also keep a practical approach here :p
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2024-07-25 23:16:51	phrik	Title: upgpkg: 4.0-1 (!1) · Merge requests · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / p2pool · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-07-26 00:38:33	espresso	the list of unanswered posts really does go on, no? The forum does offer guidelines, but maybe it would help a little to have a large red checklist including 'check upstream issues'..
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2024-07-26 01:18:29	domino14	i can't tolerate this anymore. Every time I unlock my computer after it's been some time it takes a minute or more for the password box to show up. It's just sitting there on the wallpaper. The computer isn't slow. I use KDE
2024-07-26 01:18:41	domino14	it's a fast computer, but i don't know what makes it take 1-2 minutes before it lets me in
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2024-07-26 01:24:48	mpan	domino14: hello. Did it start happening after a specific update? 
2024-07-26 01:26:22	domino14	mpan it's been happening after a few weeks. I can't remember exactly when. I always keep the system up to date with pacman -Syu
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2024-07-26 01:27:02	mpan	If you could pinpoint a particular update, you could roll it back and see if that helps. Probably too late for that now, though.
2024-07-26 01:27:13	mpan	The next thing to check: `systemd-analyze critical-chain`
2024-07-26 01:27:29	Namarrgon	Check the journal and see what the system is doing when it is not doing anything.
2024-07-26 01:27:38	mpan	This may hint, which service blocks startup (but may also give no useful information).
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2024-07-26 01:28:22	mpan	If checking journal, see if there is no mention of any kind of “timeout”. 60s delay is a common symptom of attempting connection, failing, and timing out.
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2024-07-26 11:16:02	MrElendig	if you enabled iwd, it likes to mess with interface names
2024-07-26 11:16:26	MrElendig	also network-manager and NetworkManager are different things, though some distroes insists on renaming the later to the former
2024-07-26 11:17:01	MrElendig	Porkepix: ^
2024-07-26 11:19:18	ponies	MrElendig: wtf is with dnsmasq if i point my router to it, shouldn't all that be just 'on the network' tada
2024-07-26 11:20:06	MrElendig	wat
2024-07-26 11:20:48	ponies	like surely i shouldnt' have to configure other devices 
2024-07-26 11:22:22	MrElendig	depends on just how you set it up and if there are other dns/dhcp services on the network
2024-07-26 11:22:34	MrElendig	and don't forget about slaac
2024-07-26 11:24:03	MrElendig	sidenote: pretty damn stupid that some devices only does dhcpv6 while others only does slaac
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2024-07-26 11:35:04	ponies	MrElendig: like its working: https://0x0.st/XfA-.txt
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2024-07-26 11:36:02	Isofruitus	Hello everybody ! Question into the round - The newest arch linux kernel (6.10.1 arch 1-1) appears to break booting the system. On my system (using systemd-boot) when I try to boot I get a black-screen after selecting the kernel.
2024-07-26 11:36:03	Isofruitus	Only booting from the LTS kernel (6.6) allows booting.
2024-07-26 11:36:03	Isofruitus	Where should I go with this information/what should I do with this?
2024-07-26 11:36:32	Isofruitus	Sorry, not break booting the system. **my** system specifically, a frame.work laptop 13 inch using an AMD motherboard
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2024-07-26 11:37:32	gromit	Isofruitus: If you're willing to debug the issue it would be good to bisect it down to the commit that broke the boot for you 
2024-07-26 11:37:33	Isofruitus	I informed the frame.work folks already, just thought that maybe this information should also be forwarded to arch-people.
2024-07-26 11:37:34	Isofruitus	I updated to the newest kernel around an hour ago so that's the point where the issues began
2024-07-26 11:38:02	arcturus	is anybody else seeing a conflict between wlroots and wlroots0.17?
2024-07-26 11:38:07	MrElendig	Isofruitus: nvidia?
2024-07-26 11:38:15	MrElendig	Isofruitus: also, ssh in and check logs
2024-07-26 11:38:22	Isofruitus	Nah, I've got an nvidia eGPU but that is not connected
2024-07-26 11:38:28	gromit	Isofruitus: you could open a ticket in our bugtracker and then either do it yourself or test kernel image provided for you
2024-07-26 11:38:28	Isofruitus	The system is a laptop
2024-07-26 11:39:04	gromit	Isofruitus: also is there any information regarding the boot failure? 
2024-07-26 11:39:19	Isofruitus	I'll potentially look into bisecting - I've neither done kernel compiling nor bisecting before and though I've got brain-fog (currently on covid), maybe I'm still capable of at least that
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2024-07-26 11:40:19	MrElendig	as said, start by checking the logs
2024-07-26 11:40:40	MrElendig	I do assume that it actually boots, just that the monitor doesn't come up
2024-07-26 11:41:31	gromit	arcturus: this is expected, can you comment on here please? https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/wlroots0.17/-/issues/1#note_199525
2024-07-26 11:41:32	phrik	Title: Should conflict with `wlroots`? (#1) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / wlroots0.17 · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-07-26 11:41:35	Isofruitus	Check, so it should be in syslog or sth
2024-07-26 11:41:57	MrElendig	journald on arch, unless you explicitly set up syslog
2024-07-26 11:42:42	Isofruitus	I did not, fairly unchanged installation via archinstall script
2024-07-26 11:42:48	MrElendig	ssh'ing in and poking at the live system would be ideal
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2024-07-26 11:44:21	Isofruitus	I mean, right now I am on the system, just on an LTS kernel since systemd-boot gives you backup kernels
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2024-07-26 11:44:55	Isofruitus	And I don't have a ton of devices that I could just boot this one and ssh into it from another one (whiled logged out?)
2024-07-26 11:45:04	MrElendig	then use -b as apropiate, but ssh into the "broken" boot could still be easier
2024-07-26 11:45:07	Isofruitus	Anyway, poking at journalctrl for now
2024-07-26 11:46:37	arcturus	gromit: i removed wlroots (0.18) as prompted by pacman, and it seems to have worked
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2024-07-26 11:46:55	arcturus	idk why wlroots 0.18 was installed if its not required for sway 
2024-07-26 11:47:27	Isofruitus	What is -b in this context? Kernel Parameter? Flag for journalctl?
2024-07-26 11:47:28	gromit	arcturus: so if it just works even better ^_^
2024-07-26 11:47:49	MrElendig	man journalctl
2024-07-26 11:47:52	gromit	Isofruitus: parameter for journalctl which you can set in order i.e. to just look at a certain boot
2024-07-26 11:48:04	stewi	Isofruitus, shows logs from a specific boot. -b 0 shows current boot, -b -1 shows previous boot IIRC
2024-07-26 11:48:28	gromit	Isofruitus: you can get a overview of the available ones with "journalctl --list-boots"
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2024-07-26 11:56:02	Isofruit	Alright, did a double check just now and a couple reboots:
2024-07-26 11:56:03	Isofruit	The "broken" boots after selecting a kernel in the systemd-boot menu do not show up in journalctl --list-boots
2024-07-26 11:56:57	Isofruit	So when I boot using 6.10.1 arch 1-1 then no boot log shows up in journalctl --list-boots, when I boot using LTS then a boot log entry is made in journalctl --list-boots
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2024-07-26 11:57:20	gromit	Isofruit: is there any output on the screen? 
2024-07-26 11:57:27	Isofruit	No, completely black
2024-07-26 11:57:36	Isofruit	When I boot with 6.10.1 I mean
2024-07-26 11:57:44	gromit	Isofruit: did you set "quiet" as kernel param? 
2024-07-26 11:58:08	gromit	Isofruit: is this also an issue with 6.10 or just with 6.10.1?
2024-07-26 11:58:08	ponies	make sure you are using sude 
2024-07-26 11:58:12	ponies	*sudo 
2024-07-26 11:58:23	Isofruit	Sorry, definitely very specifically 6.10.1 arch 1-1
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2024-07-26 11:58:44	Isofruit	It started happening an hour ago when the newest kernel package was made available
2024-07-26 11:58:49	Isofruit	*and I installed it
2024-07-26 11:58:58	ponies	Isofruit: have you tried reinstalling it? 
2024-07-26 11:59:37	ponies	aka pacman -S linux linux-headers
2024-07-26 11:59:48	Isofruit	I have not (and I'm not that fast, still googling for how to list all used kernel parameters, its one of those things I do once every blue moon so I keep forgetting it)
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2024-07-26 12:00:26	ponies	just to exclude the possibility that something happened during the generation of ramdisk
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2024-07-26 12:00:50	gromit	Isofruit: "cat /proc/cmdline"
2024-07-26 12:00:51	Isofruit	Alright, so, definitely no quiet kernel parameter:
2024-07-26 12:00:52	Isofruit	~ % sudo sysctl -a | grep quiet
2024-07-26 12:00:52	Isofruit	~ %
2024-07-26 12:01:07	Isofruit	Now for reinstalling the package
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2024-07-26 12:02:44	Isofruit	Okay so something kicked me out somehow (?)
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2024-07-26 12:02:59	Isofruit	Thus I missed everything you write in between me mentioning reinstalling the package and this message
2024-07-26 12:03:02	Isofruit	*wrote
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2024-07-26 12:03:50	Isofruit	Okay, reinstalled everything, doing a reboot, see you later
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2024-07-26 12:04:34	Isofruit	By reinstalled I meant I reinstalled the linux and linux-headers packages, it pulled in pahole as an optional dependency I didn't have before though, which is odd
2024-07-26 12:04:40	Isofruit	Either way, back in a minute
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2024-07-26 12:06:50	printfdebugging	HI, there are many linux kernels, which one is the best. many means the one used by debian, then the arch one, the redhat one etc
2024-07-26 12:06:56	printfdebugging	or is the question wrong
2024-07-26 12:06:58	Isofruit	Alright, I'm back
2024-07-26 12:07:11	ponies	the default one is the best printfdebugging 
2024-07-26 12:07:29	Isofruit	so ponies had the right idea, apparently the reinstall (and pulling in that new dependency? No clue what that is, might read up on it later) solved the issue?
2024-07-26 12:07:34	gromit	printfdebugging: yeah the question is pretty odd .. It's hard to quantify "best" when there are no criteria set
2024-07-26 12:07:47	printfdebugging	let me ask then how are they different
2024-07-26 12:07:49	Isofruit	As in, right now this is booted on the new kernel, so appears to have been an installation issue somehow
2024-07-26 12:08:09	gromit	Isofruit: Did you previous update run through fully?
2024-07-26 12:08:40	jelle	printfdebugging: debian and redhat kernels are not for arch consumption
2024-07-26 12:08:50	ponies	Isofruit: i feel it was more that when you last updated the kernel something failed 
2024-07-26 12:08:58	Isofruit	I swear it did, but you're asking somebody that's currently infected with covid and the brainfog is harsh, so maybe it didn't
2024-07-26 12:10:30	ponies	printfdebugging like if on arch, why would you use some other stupid variant of the rolling release one? you would need a reason imo
2024-07-26 12:10:50	printfdebugging	ponies: I am thinking of making my own
2024-07-26 12:11:07	ponies	your own what? 
2024-07-26 12:11:20	ponies	building the kernel? 
2024-07-26 12:11:25	printfdebugging	own distribution with standard stuff.
2024-07-26 12:11:47	printfdebugging	I used mac in a vm and am blown away by the consistant UI and the ease of use
2024-07-26 12:12:14	printfdebugging	Now I want to make a window manager x compositor x environment thing
2024-07-26 12:12:25	ponies	gnome kind of looks like mac 
2024-07-26 12:12:45	Isofruit	Either way, thank you very, very much everyone for the help. I'll write myself some docs to remember what I learned today in the future !
2024-07-26 12:12:57	printfdebugging	But it has rough edges like the fixed toolbars
2024-07-26 12:13:25	ponies	printfdebugging: nothing is using x anymore. you should look at Gnome and KDE
2024-07-26 12:13:53	printfdebugging	Yes I am going for wayland (x was used as a connector) :)
2024-07-26 12:14:04	Porkepix	ponies: I've already been through the wiki. I'm not new to arch, and I come from a working setup. Just that something messed up with interfaces at some points and I want to try to redetect them like it does at boot time without rebooting
2024-07-26 12:14:18	printfdebugging	ls
2024-07-26 12:14:28	printfdebugging	Sorry, wrong window was on focus :)
2024-07-26 12:15:11	ponies	go to /r/unixporn printfdebugging 
2024-07-26 12:15:23	Porkepix	MrElendig: Uh, what difference do you do between them? For example it looks to me like arch only offers extra/networkmanager and all its additions
2024-07-26 12:16:14	printfdebugging	Yes, but it's not just about the UI, having a nice store which just works, some way of managing profiles like mac does, and a lot of other things
2024-07-26 12:18:12	ponies	printfdebugging: there is only AUR as a 'store', it is large however 
2024-07-26 12:19:37	ponies	printfdebugging: basically you want a DE. there are two choices and that's the above. Else buy a mac because you want the ecosystem 
2024-07-26 12:20:02	printfdebugging	It's not apple store like however. I don't know if I am in my right mind or not, but the fact that I installed mac and I was ready to work doesn't exist in linux yet, Yes I have my dotfiles under ansible and one command sets everything up, but that's not every newbees thing to do
2024-07-26 12:20:07	ponies	because are is basically the opposite of that. nothing is attached and you build it yourself 
2024-07-26 12:20:18	ponies	*because Archlinux is basicallly... 
2024-07-26 13:57:13	Porkepix	So, anybody got an idea on how to manually trigger the addition of network interfaces happenning at boot time without rebooting?
2024-07-26 13:57:39	Namarrgon	What's the use-case?
2024-07-26 14:10:22	ponies	Porkepix: NetworkManager does # sudo nmcli dev wifi list; sudo nmcli dev wifi con 'ESSID' -p 'KEY'
2024-07-26 14:20:18	lmat	I'm running Xvfb to create an X.org session for VNC that doesn't interfere with a local X.org session. It's working, and when I VNC to it, I see a black screen with a thick black X (outlined in white). How do I get it to run my desktop environment (xfce4)? I'm surprised it didn't consult ~/.xinitrc
2024-07-26 14:21:24	lmat	Oh wow...  DISPLAY=:1 slack&  sort of worked...no window decorations
2024-07-26 14:22:09	Porkepix	ponies: No it doesn't because my interface is gone (only lo listed)
2024-07-26 14:22:28	Porkepix	Which is why I want to retrigger the acquisition of interfaces happening at boot time
2024-07-26 14:22:32	ponies	is it blacklisted?
2024-07-26 14:22:40	piie	lmat: I usually just start a vncserver using:   vncserver :1
2024-07-26 14:23:15	piie	lmat: this will then start a new xsession with startup script in ~/.vnc/xstartup
2024-07-26 14:23:19	lmat	piie: It doesn't work for me. It says "X server already running in display :1".
2024-07-26 14:23:24	ponies	exactly lmat the vnc has specify the display 
2024-07-26 14:23:25	piie	then do vncserver :2 ;)
2024-07-26 14:23:27	Porkepix	NopoNo it's not, and lspci -k list the correct module in use
2024-07-26 14:23:50	Porkepix	ponies* ^
2024-07-26 14:24:32	lmat	"X server already running on display :2" I just did  for i in {3..9}; do vncserver :"$i"; sleep 2; done;  and it said the same thing for all of them!
2024-07-26 14:25:11	lmat	(I'm not running that many X.orgs! I'm only running one "interactive")
2024-07-26 14:25:54	lmat	piie: I've noted the inverse problem: when I log out "interactively" (or kill xinit, etc.), then run vncserver :1& it works fine, but when I get back to the computer and try startx; interactively, it fails with the same types of errors.
2024-07-26 14:26:44	piie	what does your ~/.vnc/xstartup look like?
2024-07-26 14:26:45	ponies	Porkepix: what is the output of  $ sudo journalctl -feu networkmanager.service ( i assume you are using this?) 
2024-07-26 14:26:51	lmat	piie: none.
2024-07-26 14:26:59	ponies	u dont need sudo 
2024-07-26 14:27:11	piie	lmat: create one ;)
2024-07-26 14:27:16	lmat	ok
2024-07-26 14:27:41	piie	lmat: and set a vnc password using vncpasswd
2024-07-26 14:28:11	piie	lmat: minimalistic xstartup to start fluxbox:   #!/bin/bash\nfluxbox &
2024-07-26 14:28:24	ponies	Porkepix: and the output of $ ip addr 
2024-07-26 14:30:41	Porkepix	ponies: As I told, ip a or ip l return only lo; wifi interface is gone (this seemed to have happened after an iwd install, while I was usually using NM). Logs for NetworkManager (case sensitive) return nothing relevant considering the interface isn't listed: issue isn't NM, issue is that the interface disappeared
2024-07-26 14:30:44	lmat	piie: cat ~/.vnc/xstartup; says "exec startxfce4;" now. I have a ~/.vnc/passwd already.
2024-07-26 14:31:55	piie	lmat: and chmod +x?
2024-07-26 14:32:10	ponies	and also $ sudo journalctl -k 
2024-07-26 14:32:12	lmat	piie: I still get errors from vncserver. I tried   Xvfb :1 & x0vncserver -display :1 -rfbport 5901 -passwordfile ~/.vnc/passwd;  and I was able to connect, but it's an empty X session.
2024-07-26 14:32:22	lmat	piie: Oh, okay chmod! (This stuff should be in the wiki)
2024-07-26 14:32:42	millenium	Aloha! Arch (via archinstall) on thinkpad t1 gen 1. BTRFS with LUKS Disk Encryption. After timeshift restore I lost my swap file and I cannot recreate it. Initially I followed the arch wiki instructions (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Btrfs#Swap_file). More context on my problem - https://termbin.com/5enn I'll appreciate any help.
2024-07-26 14:32:43	phrik	Title: Btrfs - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-26 14:32:53	piie	lmat:  vncserver :1 is supposed to take care of all the X startup.  so no need with Xvfb whatsoever
2024-07-26 14:33:13	lmat	piie: aye!
2024-07-26 14:33:29	piie	lmat: maybe due to your trials with Xvfb you have created already many X sessions and they're still hanging around?
2024-07-26 14:33:35	piie	lmat: check your process list
2024-07-26 14:34:10	lmat	piie: I don't think so... no xvfbs running; I always kill it (kill %2; or whatever). I'm happy to restart and give it another go.
2024-07-26 14:34:51	Namarrgon	millenium: How were you activating the swap file?
2024-07-26 14:35:15	piie	lmat: which vncserver are you using?  tightvnc package, right?
2024-07-26 14:35:57	lmat	pacman -Qo vncserver; says tigervnc 1.13.1-5
2024-07-26 14:36:37	millenium	Namarrgon via systemd https://termbin.com/bzj7
2024-07-26 14:37:18	Namarrgon	millenium: Do you have a dedicated subvolume for the swapfile?
2024-07-26 14:38:24	Namarrgon	"ID 345 gen 41012 top level 256 path timeshift-btrfs/snapshots/2024-07-08_12-38-08/@/swap"
2024-07-26 14:38:33	Namarrgon	But there is no fstab entry for it
2024-07-26 14:39:29	Porkepix	ponies: Also nothing relevant, excepted for the fact iwd messed with the predictable interface names by renaming the wifi interface. Again, interface is gone and not listed by either ip l or in /sys/class/net/ so I'm looking for a way to reproduce what system does at boot time to find, list, and add interfaces
2024-07-26 14:41:23	millenium	Namarrgon: I'm not sure how to handle this. I created initially the subvolume via "sudo btrfs subvolume create /swap", but timeshift messed it up and not sure what I should do now.
2024-07-26 14:42:41	piie	lmat: try with tightvnc, maybe tigervnc is b0rken
2024-07-26 14:43:05	lmat	piie: Coming right up
2024-07-26 14:43:33	Namarrgon	millenium: Did timeshift restore /etc/fstab from a time before you added the swap-subvolume to fstab?
2024-07-26 14:43:59	ponies	Porkepix: so in which reality does a kernel log have 'nothing relevent' 
2024-07-26 14:44:08	ponies	Porkepix: considering your interface is down
2024-07-26 14:44:09	piie	lmat: just tried tigervnc. it's working for me, but it does ignore .vnc/xstartup and obviously uses .xinitrc
2024-07-26 14:44:12	Namarrgon	Porkepix: Post the kernel log to a paste service.
2024-07-26 14:44:26	Namarrgon	iwd only forces a different name, it doesn't delete the interface.
2024-07-26 14:44:58	Porkepix	ponies: In mine, it seems
2024-07-26 14:45:20	lmat	piie: Are you using xfce4?
2024-07-26 14:45:32	ponies	Porkepix: will it should have reference so some interface being named or renamed and if it doesn't, report back 
2024-07-26 14:45:58	lmat	piie: I get build errors for tightvnc: https://paste.rs/JvUFH
2024-07-26 14:46:19	piie	lmat: nope, but in vncserver should be able to start at least the x session, regardless of tigervnc or tightvnc and which desktop env
2024-07-26 14:46:22	Porkepix	Namarrgon: That would be kinda annoying to do right now, considering that computer have no network; from what I could find after it seems reinstalling temporarily iwd relist wlan0 (instead of wlp0s20f3) while it's here. But as soon as I remove iwd again, interface is gone again
2024-07-26 14:46:36	piie	lmat: sorry, need to leave now, good luck mate
2024-07-26 14:47:10	Porkepix	ponies: It does have reference to them… from before the inertace was gone and it was working. Absolutely nothing past that
2024-07-26 14:47:13	Namarrgon	Porkepix: What is in /etc/systemd/network ?
2024-07-26 14:47:22	millenium	Namarrgon: yes, but there were some problems with the subvol id with the /home and I remove it from the fstab. I did not touched the swapfile in fstab
2024-07-26 14:47:32	Porkepix	Namarrgon: Empty
2024-07-26 14:48:08	Namarrgon	millenium: 'swapon -s'
2024-07-26 14:49:52	millenium	Namarrgon: swapon -s -> https://termbin.com/gemo6  (zram only there, before swapfile was as a second layer)
2024-07-26 14:50:11	lmat	piie: Thank you! Catch you later!
2024-07-26 14:52:04	Namarrgon	millenium: ls -l /swap/
2024-07-26 14:52:27	ponies	you must have iwd, its that or wpa_supplicant do not use that 
2024-07-26 14:52:53	ponies	so uninstalling it is counterproductive 
2024-07-26 14:54:41	millenium	Namarrgon millenium: Did timeshift restore /etc/fstab from a time before you added the swap-subvolume to fstab? -> to clarify swap-subvolume was added before the timeshift restore (few months earlyer and it was operational).
2024-07-26 14:54:44	millenium	 ls -l /swap/  => total 0
2024-07-26 14:55:06	Namarrgon	millenium: Well it is missing from the current fstab.
2024-07-26 14:55:32	Namarrgon	So either you removed it or some tool did or some tool restored an old version.
2024-07-26 14:56:53	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-07-26 14:57:17	Namarrgon	Mount the most recent snapshot somewhere and check what is in its fstab.
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2024-07-26 14:58:13	Namarrgon	I guess you can just look inside of /.snapshots.
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2024-07-26 15:00:04	lmat	Maybe vnc isn't the right tool for me anyway... I'll use ssh -Y and see how that goes.
2024-07-26 15:01:20	ponies	vnc is the right tool 
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2024-07-26 15:03:18	lmat	ponies: Between these two computers is a 1gb switch. I only need to run chromium and slack I think, and with ssh X forwarding, I can do screenshots and send them in E-mails, etc all locally without having to transfer the screenshots to the remote machine (scp).
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2024-07-26 15:06:45	BrainDamage	ssh -Y will have horrible performance even in lan
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2024-07-26 15:06:54	ponies	this sounds really weird
2024-07-26 15:07:03	BrainDamage	( or -X )
2024-07-26 15:07:35	BrainDamage	opengl may cause problems with some remote desktop programs
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2024-07-26 15:08:00	Ingar	I use xrdp for remote X11 dsktop, runs quite well. disadvantage is it is not trivial to "share" the local desktop
2024-07-26 15:08:42	ponies	i mean just run it locally and foward the port badabig you have vnc 
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2024-07-26 15:12:54	lmat	BrainDamage: Really, it's about as good as VNC for the workload I'm using.
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2024-07-26 15:13:39	lmat	ponies: What port and how do I use it once forwarded?
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2024-07-26 15:15:10	ponies	so you want to use the remote internet? is that what 'run chromiun' means? 
2024-07-26 15:15:39	millenium	Namarrgon: timeshift --list https://termbin.com/9b4w  fstab diff before the restore and today's one https://termbin.com/rfew
2024-07-26 15:16:24	millenium	I can't confirm with 100% that because of the restore I lost the swapfile, I just noticed it recently.
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2024-07-26 15:18:27	ponies	i like to do this lmat https://0x0.st/XfmY.txt
2024-07-26 15:19:12	Namarrgon	millenium: Are you sure this ever worked?
2024-07-26 15:20:54	Namarrgon	millenium: The swap file itself cannot be part of a snapshot so you need that dedicated swap subvolume that should be excluded from timeshift's snapshot routine.
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2024-07-26 15:26:25	millenium	Namarrgon: yes, I found a screenshot that I shred with a arch buddy :P https://ibb.co/9wpbzMS
2024-07-26 15:26:26	phrik	Title: F073-YB7-K875-image hosted at ImgBB — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
2024-07-26 15:27:02	Namarrgon	millenium: Did you mount the subvolume manually for that?
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2024-07-26 15:28:02	Namarrgon	Can you post the 'findmnt' output?
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2024-07-26 15:33:21	millenium	Namarrgon: findmnt -> https://termbin.com/adc4n
2024-07-26 15:33:54	lmat	ponies: That's not the point. I want to use "autofill" data and the various chromium profiles on that other machine.
2024-07-26 15:34:00	minus	is there a place that hosts precompiled AUR packages, or a daemon that builds AUR packages and throws them into a repo?
2024-07-26 15:34:12	millenium	Something to add is that I setted up the timeshift backup settings BEFORE I added the swapfile, it's possibel that it was added automaticly to the list and after the restore it messed up.
2024-07-26 15:34:19	ponies	im sorry i cant see how vnc is not an option here 
2024-07-26 15:34:21	lmat	ponies: dayjob stuff is on that other machine. I have one profile per client (so like 15 profiles) with history and autofill stuff that's very useful.
2024-07-26 15:34:45	Antiz	minus: That exists yeah, not sure I would recommend it to be honest but you can look at "chaotic AUR"
2024-07-26 15:35:12	lmat	ponies: VNC is an option, and that's what I've been using for a year or so. The problem is that when I run  vncserver :1&  then use the computer during the day over VNC, after that I go to the computer and try to startx; interactively and it won't start because there's already X running.
2024-07-26 15:35:36	lmat	ponies: Likewise, if an interactive X is running, when I do vncserver :1 & (or any other desktop), it says "X server already running".
2024-07-26 15:36:04	lmat	ponies: I would like to run a VNC session and an interactive X session at the same time (but not sharing the interactive session because the monitor setup is ... not great for VNC).
2024-07-26 15:36:31	Ingar	an issue I don't have with xrdp :D
2024-07-26 15:36:54	lmat	Ingar: It's an issue most don't have with vnc. I'm not sure what it is about my setup that is causing this problem.
2024-07-26 15:37:07	minus	Antiz: oh neat, thanks. why are you not sure you'd recommend it? seems barely any more yolo than installing stuff from AUR directly
2024-07-26 15:37:18	Ingar	lmat: maybe something like both X servers trying to bind to the same virutal console
2024-07-26 15:37:30	minus	though i would prefer to run the builds myself on some server
2024-07-26 15:37:31	Namarrgon	millenium: In that cse it would make sense that the subvolume mount is missing from fstb, if you reverted to a version that predates that change, but the entry for the swap itself is in fstab.
2024-07-26 15:37:51	Ingar	(althoug I'd assume the Xvnc doesn't need one)
2024-07-26 15:37:59	ponies	lmat: you should run a virtual machine 100%
2024-07-26 15:38:02	Namarrgon	millenium: So i assume that you never actually added the subvolume mount for /swap
2024-07-26 15:38:53	lmat	Ingar: That's worth thinking about... I think my interactive sessions are always on tty1...I'll try using a different tty. Then again, this SSH X forwarding is working pretty swimmingly.
2024-07-26 15:39:05	lmat	ponies: u funny
2024-07-26 15:39:14	Namarrgon	millenium: But i also can spot anything that resembles the actual swap subvolume in the 'subvolume list /' output.
2024-07-26 15:39:18	Namarrgon	*can't
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2024-07-26 15:39:52	Namarrgon	millenium: Check the snapshots for the missing /swap/swapfile, you might have created it on the wrong subvolume.
2024-07-26 15:40:36	Antiz	minus: AUR PKGBUILDs are community produced content. They are not officially supported and not reviewed with best effort only. Basically they should be used at your own risk. Now, the good part is that you can read the PKGBUILD and compile it yourself from that PKGBUILD (so you're sure about what you're compiling/installing).
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2024-07-26 15:41:40	Antiz	minus: This is way more blurry when it comes to chaotic AUR (or any repo that provides precompiled binaries from AUR pkgbuilds). Basically you kinda have to trust the providers that they use the PKGBUILD from the AUR (and not a modified version of it, potentially modified in a malicious way).
2024-07-26 15:43:08	Antiz	Not saying that the chaotic AUR repo is malicious or whatever, but still; the concern about security/transparency with such repos are a long time debate.
2024-07-26 15:44:05	Namarrgon	The chaotic repo is automated, they wouldn't spot a malicious update to an AUR PKGBUILD as long as it doesn't break the build.
2024-07-26 15:44:30	Antiz	Yup
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2024-07-26 15:45:36	Antiz	That as well indeed. The lack of transparency and upfront verification (regarding the fact it is automated), good point.
2024-07-26 15:46:27	millenium	Namarrgon: when I run btrfs subvolume create /swap I get ERROR: target path already exists: /swap but I can't remove the /swap with rm -rf /swap
2024-07-26 15:46:50	millenium	Can I clean it up and start again with the swapfile?
2024-07-26 15:47:30	Namarrgon	Is the swap-swapfile.swap unit still loaded?
2024-07-26 15:47:37	Namarrgon	Disable it and try again.
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2024-07-26 15:48:10	Foxboron	Antiz: and lets not start about them redistributing software at the behest of the license
2024-07-26 15:48:23	Foxboron	which open them up for criminal liability if the company bothers...
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2024-07-26 15:48:52	Antiz	Foxboron: Oh yeah, that too... x)
2024-07-26 15:49:01	minus	you mean for packages with dubious licenses, right?
2024-07-26 15:49:06	Foxboron	minus: dubious?
2024-07-26 15:49:07	Antiz	Nah
2024-07-26 15:49:21	minus	well, those that don't allow redistributing
2024-07-26 15:49:23	Foxboron	minus: If the ToS clearly states the binary can't be redistributed that isn't a "dubious license"
2024-07-26 15:49:29	Antiz	minus: Yes, this.
2024-07-26 15:49:44	minus	that's a dubious license in my book ;)
2024-07-26 15:49:49	Antiz	minus: The AUR doesn't redistribute anything actually. It only contains the PKGBUILD (namely the "recipe")
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2024-07-26 15:49:58	minus	yeah i understand
2024-07-26 15:50:16	Foxboron	minus: it's legally enforceable, while most software licenses haven't seen a day in court
2024-07-26 15:51:00	Namarrgon	millenium: By 'disable it' i actually meant 'stop it'.
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2024-07-26 15:51:11	minus	anyway, thanks for your comments, now i have a good idea of what i'd need to do if i wanted to publicly host such a repo
2024-07-26 15:52:02	millenium	Namarrgon: I remmoved the folder, created the volume again, added the swapfile and enabled it, now it's working - https://termbin.com/up1r I'm rebooting to check will it activate. brb
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2024-07-26 15:52:39	minus	essentially: pick a selected subset of software only, make sure the licenses are okay, and review updates to the PKGBUILDs (and ideally the source code, but who does that)
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2024-07-26 16:00:51	millenium	Namarrgon: now it's activated (systemctl status swap-swapfile.swap is active) and working (swapon -s shows the two swaps zram and swapfile). And there is a subvol (https://termbin.com/p56h). I guess I just had to stop the systmd unit and remove the folder... and start over again :-)
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2024-07-26 16:01:47	sol6_vi	Anyone have a second to help troubleshoot a php issue with apache on arch? Or a suggestion on a better place to ask I'd take as well. This is a newbie issue but whenever I try to access my webroot directory the browser simply downloads the php file instead of loading it. Most online forum threads refer specifically to ubuntu so I'm struggling a bit. I've followed the arch linux docs to a T on
2024-07-26 16:01:47	sol6_vi	installing and preparing both apache and php. I decided 
2024-07-26 16:01:49	sol6_vi	to go with the fcgid approach. I'm not expecting a ton of traffic but my entire family will be accessing the server I'm setting up at various times so the docs made it sound like this was the way to go. Symlink is in, conf files created, httpd.conf has all the edits called for in the docs. I've confirmed that fcgid_module is running in the httpd dump.
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2024-07-26 16:02:19	Namarrgon	millenium: Did you add the subvolume to fstab?
2024-07-26 16:02:40	sol6_vi	This is the first I'm hearing about it. Sorry I'm a complete novice.
2024-07-26 16:02:59	Namarrgon	millenium: Otherwise this setup will break again when you restore an old snapshot that doesn't have a swap fstab entry.
2024-07-26 16:03:24	sol6_vi	oh not me lmao my bad
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2024-07-26 16:05:19	millenium	Namarrgon: No. Based on archwiki guide I should not - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Btrfs#Swap_file this is my current fstab - https://termbin.com/9n7n and this is my current btrfs subvolume list / : https://termbin.com/ws5i 
2024-07-26 16:05:21	phrik	Title: Btrfs - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-07-26 16:08:53	millenium	Namarrgon: how I should add the voulme to the fstab properly?
2024-07-26 16:08:57	Namarrgon	"Then, make sure the subvolume is mounted to /swap (or any other accessible location)."
2024-07-26 16:09:46	millenium	Oppsi :-]
2024-07-26 16:09:56	Namarrgon	Create a new entry for the subovlume, like the others you already have fpr e.g. @home
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2024-07-26 16:10:32	Namarrgon	You still have to be careful when you restore a snapshot that predates these current changes to fstab.
2024-07-26 16:13:23	millenium	Namarrgon: thank you for your guidance. I ♥️ arch community btw! :]
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2024-07-26 16:59:13	mobal	hello
2024-07-26 16:59:33	mobal	it took me 30 minutes to start using polari
2024-07-26 16:59:54	mobal	I think this app downloads a lot of stuff in the background, and only using one thread
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2024-07-26 17:11:46	teraflops	mobal: so now polari uses sasl?
2024-07-26 17:12:28	mobal	I don't really know
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2024-07-26 18:08:03	aaaalz	Hello, I've been having issues with suspend on my computer. I use Sway as my WM and have an AMD gpu & cpu. First issue is that I always need to wake the computer twice when it was suspended; the first time, it will suspend itself again after 3-5 seconds. This may be because of my usb switcher. Second issue is newer since I added a 4k monitor, the screen will keep turning black for a few seconds
2024-07-26 18:08:05	aaaalz	after waking up from suspend until I "manually" reset the monitor setup through nwg-displays.
2024-07-26 18:08:29	aaaalz	Turning down the frequency to 50ghz seems to help.
2024-07-26 18:09:26	aaaalz	I've been finding this may be due to a power supply issue, but I wanted to see if anyone had advice, and especially, does anyone think those issues might be linked?
2024-07-26 18:09:55	aaaalz	When I say "suspend", I mean "systemctl suspend" btw.
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2024-07-26 18:15:51	mobal	does it work without X?
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2024-07-26 18:17:27	aaaalz	I'm using Wayland
2024-07-26 18:17:43	aaaalz	I never tried with X tbh
2024-07-26 18:17:43	mobal	does it work without wayland? :)
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2024-07-26 18:17:50	mobal	dmesg?
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2024-07-26 18:18:13	aaaalz	Can you be a bit more specific with the dmesg advice?
2024-07-26 18:18:32	aaaalz	I'm not 100% a noob but hehe
2024-07-26 18:18:38	aaaalz	I mean, I'll google it
2024-07-26 18:19:21	mobal	okay no worries
2024-07-26 18:19:26	mobal	check for kernel errors using dmesg
2024-07-26 18:19:39	mobal	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/General_troubleshooting
2024-07-26 18:19:41	phrik	Title: General troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-26 18:19:50	mobal	check for any error which can cause your strange issue
2024-07-26 18:20:40	mobal	and you could try other wm, for example gnome. if that works the problem is around your sway config imho
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2024-07-26 18:20:48	aaaalz	what's strange is there's no issue upon reboot either
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2024-07-26 18:21:21	aaaalz	Yes it may well be my fault! I've been messing around with something to help me switch between scalings since 4k is too small for normal use for me
2024-07-26 18:21:34	aaaalz	Thanks for the advice
2024-07-26 18:21:53	aaaalz	I might try KDE since I already have a bunch of their apps installed
2024-07-26 18:23:01	mobal	okay
2024-07-26 18:23:10	mobal	let us know the results! :)
2024-07-26 18:23:19	aaaalz	Thanks!
2024-07-26 18:24:02	mobal	Welcome! :)
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2024-07-26 18:28:42	aaaalz	lol sorry
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2024-07-26 19:38:18	a5Lt	can someone suggest an efficient cli-based timer app that is script-friendly where you can specify both relative and absolute time? something like this: https://github.com/oxzi/et (sadly I don't know how to write a PKGBUILD for it). currently i use a `sleep`-based dmenu script which can't handle specifying absolute time and not sure if there are lower-level calls that may be more efficient than
2024-07-26 19:38:20	a5Lt	the shell's `sleep`
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2024-07-26 19:54:15	topcat001	I would say this is an ideal opportunity to learn arch package building.
2024-07-26 19:54:36	topcat001	It looks relatively simple to package.
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2024-07-26 20:20:37	astralc	so something like "at"?
2024-07-26 20:21:00	astralc	or you need it 'blocking' the script?
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2024-07-26 20:28:11	CalimeroTeknik	when I use "XferCommand = /usr/bin/curl -m 60 -L -C - -f -o %o %u" pacman segfaults, is this a bug or PEBCAK?
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2024-07-26 20:35:00	astralc	I tried that config and I didn't got segfault... are you up to date, including possible aur packages rebuilds?
2024-07-26 20:35:05	gromit	CalimeroTeknik: what makes it segfault? 
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2024-07-26 20:36:08	CalimeroTeknik	gromit, see if you can tell https://0x0.st/XfME.txt
2024-07-26 20:36:46	CalimeroTeknik	I can give you my entire pacman config if that didn't suffice, as well
2024-07-26 20:38:06	CalimeroTeknik	I'm up to date of… early yesterday?
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2024-07-26 20:38:45	CalimeroTeknik	hopefully AUR package rebuilds don't have an effect on pacman on curl not segfaulting
2024-07-26 20:38:56	CalimeroTeknik	that would be gnarly
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2024-07-26 20:40:48	CalimeroTeknik	segfault with some strlen shenanigans, I haven't looked into details, but… smells bad
2024-07-26 20:41:19	CalimeroTeknik	magic numbers as well?
2024-07-26 20:41:21	Antiz	CalimeroTeknik: Not if you have curl/pacman dependencies installed from the AUR ^^
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2024-07-26 20:41:46	CalimeroTeknik	um, this curl command works okay on its own
2024-07-26 20:41:51	Antiz	We had someone complaining from a broken pacman recently, turns out they had gpgme-git installed from the AUR and not properly rebuilt.
2024-07-26 20:42:02	CalimeroTeknik	it's pacman that segfaults in libalpm, as far as I can see
2024-07-26 20:43:07	Antiz	s/complaining from/complaining about
2024-07-26 20:43:50	Antiz	Not saying that's the case for you though, just that AUR packages rebuilds can have an effect on everything depending which one we are talking about ^^
2024-07-26 20:46:18	Warepire	CalimeroTeknik: Check the contents of s and payload at that segfault. If one of them are NULL you'll get a segfault
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2024-07-26 20:47:08	CalimeroTeknik	time to rebuild pacman without optimizations…
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2024-07-26 20:47:46	Warepire	-O2 is fairly debugable, I doubt you need to re-compile.
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2024-07-26 20:50:38	CalimeroTeknik	Warepire, (gdb) print(payloads) $1 = <optimized out>
2024-07-26 20:50:49	CalimeroTeknik	Warepire, but, (gdb) print(s) $2 = (alpm_list_t *) 0x0
2024-07-26 20:51:09	CalimeroTeknik	woops?
2024-07-26 20:51:30	astralc	if you do pacman -Sup, and try url from there, it download correctly?
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2024-07-26 20:54:38	Antiz	CalimeroTeknik: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman/-/issues/116 <-- Looks related no?
2024-07-26 20:54:40	phrik	Title: pacman 6.1 regression: XferCommand= causing segfaults (#116) · Issues · Pacman / Pacman · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-07-26 20:55:13	Warepire	If payload->servers or payload->cache_servers are empty or all attempts to download something fails, s will be NULL, and thus you crash at the point in your backtrace.
2024-07-26 20:55:52	Antiz	CalimeroTeknik: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/pacman/-/issues/24 
2024-07-26 20:55:54	phrik	Title: Segfault at libalpm/dload.c:1045 when using XferCommand= since pacman 6.1 (#24) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / pacman · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-07-26 20:56:05	Warepire	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman/-/blob/master/lib/libalpm/dload.c?ref_type=heads#L1238 There should probably be a NULL check here?
2024-07-26 20:56:07	phrik	Title: lib/libalpm/dload.c · master · Pacman / Pacman · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-07-26 20:56:40	Antiz	So yeah seems related to your issue. At least your debug traces indicates the same segfault
2024-07-26 20:58:13	Antiz	Fixed upstream but not yet backported into the Arch package
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2024-07-26 21:15:59	jl2	Hi, I just updated and mkinitcpio is hanging - even after killing it and restarting
2024-07-26 21:16:13	jl2	It hangs at Running build hook: [/usr/lib/initcpio/install/autodetect]
2024-07-26 21:17:07	Edu4rdSHL	jl2, is /boot full or something?
2024-07-26 21:17:26	Edu4rdSHL	Also, how much time have you wait since that it "hangs"
2024-07-26 21:17:36	jl2	I'm updating from 6.9.7 to 6.9.9, I'm using the ck-generic-v3 from graysky
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2024-07-26 21:18:21	jl2	nope, 450M free, and try no. 3 is now running for 3 mins
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2024-07-26 21:19:41	WhyNotHugo	jl2: try running it with strace and see what are the last things it does before freezing
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2024-07-26 21:20:59	jl2	looks like this is it, it's hanging at a sort http://0x0.st/Xfur.png
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2024-07-26 21:21:16	jl2	also cpu is 0%, making it fishy
2024-07-26 21:21:25	jl2	how do I run a strace?
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2024-07-26 21:28:10	susi	how your whole HOOKS array looks like
2024-07-26 21:28:43	jl2	HOOKS=(base systemd autodetect modconf kms keyboard keymap block fsck)
2024-07-26 21:29:22	jl2	And it may be relevant - My laptop motherboard got replaced since I last updated, in case this may be related
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2024-07-26 21:29:52	Namarrgon	Is it still stuck?
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2024-07-26 21:30:00	jl2	yes
2024-07-26 21:30:21	astralc	can you remove autodetect and run it again? it will be like the fallback one
2024-07-26 21:30:31	Namarrgon	Does anything in the kernel log match the moment it got stuck?
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2024-07-26 21:30:57	Namarrgon	Did it get stuck on the first initramfs?
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2024-07-26 21:32:00	jl2	astralc: that worked, should've tried that sooner :)
2024-07-26 21:32:04	aaaalz	Hey mobal, I worked on the issue of my computer suspending by itself first. I figured it out: it was due to networkd-resolved for some reason. I switched to using NetworkManager and that fixed it. I haven't been able to reproduce the monitor bug yet.
2024-07-26 21:32:20	astralc	it still mean autodetect have issue in you case
2024-07-26 21:32:32	jl2	Namarrgon: nope and yes
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2024-07-26 21:32:58	jl2	astralc: yup - now I can safely reboot though. lets look if this helps
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2024-07-26 21:35:02	jl2	Yeah reboot helped, works flawlessely again. guess it somehow doesn't like the new motherboard. but anyway, thx
2024-07-26 21:35:23	astralc	you readded autodetect?
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2024-07-26 22:00:50	sarastro	Hi, I'm having a problem with waking up from sleep (no, not personally). I'm using kde plasma and sddm. The system goes to sleep, but when I move the mouse or hit a key, the lights (on the cooler and the video card) light back up, but the monitor just goes from black to very dark gray. If I shake the mouse, the mouse cursor appears, but that's all. Also, the mouse cursor "trails".
2024-07-26 22:01:25	sarastro	Oh, also, it only happens on the one userid I normally use, not on another.
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2024-07-26 22:05:46	sarastro7	I have to Ctrl-Alt-F3, login, and restart the system
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2024-07-26 22:07:08	sarastro7	whoami
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2024-07-26 22:08:08	sarastro7	help
2024-07-26 22:08:13	sarastro7	#help
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2024-07-26 22:08:53	dandels	help im stuck in someone's tty
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2024-07-26 22:10:14	astralc	!give dandels quitvim
2024-07-26 22:10:14	phrik	dandels: https://github.com/hakluke/how-to-exit-vim/blob/master/README.md
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2024-07-26 22:16:52	dandels	science has gone too far
2024-07-26 22:17:48	dandels	i enjoyed this one but am trolled by it needing a tempfile https://github.com/hakluke/how-to-exit-vim/blob/master/README.md#the-c-way
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2024-07-26 22:18:36	dandels	i wonder if you could make gcc emit the file to stdout then execute it directly from there
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2024-07-26 22:28:45	CalimeroTeknik	Antiz, well if it's fixed in pacman-git, all good! it'll make its way to me
2024-07-26 22:29:48	Antiz	CalimeroTeknik: Should be yeah ^^ Worth a try I guess!
2024-07-26 22:29:52	CalimeroTeknik	maybe I should test pacman-git.
2024-07-26 22:30:08	CalimeroTeknik	(that's what you meant?)
2024-07-26 22:30:16	Antiz	Ah yeah, that's what I understood ^^
2024-07-26 22:30:28	Antiz	I thought you said you'll try pacman-git yeah
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2024-07-26 22:30:36	CalimeroTeknik	actually I meant it'll come in a release eventually, but why not accelerate things
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2024-07-26 22:31:02	CalimeroTeknik	getting the -git version would be me making my way to it / helping myself to it, no?
2024-07-26 22:32:01	Antiz	Well, the -git version should have the fix already yeah. You could give it a try to check that it indeed fixes your issue.
2024-07-26 22:32:33	Antiz	Or, I guess a "bump" in the issue I linked could be reasonable, given it's been a few months already.
2024-07-26 22:32:44	Antiz	(The issue to backport the fix in the Arch package that is)
2024-07-26 22:32:49	CalimeroTeknik	so a release of pacman would be made for this reason if nothing else?
2024-07-26 22:33:04	CalimeroTeknik	ah, a patch in a release upkg?
2024-07-26 22:33:22	Antiz	Yeah, backport the fix as a patch in the current pacman Arch package.
2024-07-26 22:33:33	Antiz	This is what the issue is about
2024-07-26 22:33:47	Antiz	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/pacman/-/issues/24
2024-07-26 22:33:48	phrik	Title: Segfault at libalpm/dload.c:1045 when using XferCommand= since pacman 6.1 (#24) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / pacman · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-07-26 22:33:49	Antiz	This one
2024-07-26 22:34:59	CalimeroTeknik	weird, pacman tests output EXPECTEDFAIL and FAIL but actually all FAILs were expected?
2024-07-26 22:35:04	Antiz	Though, as far as I know, current efforts are going towards updating the Arch pacman package to the latest upstream version (v7)
2024-07-26 22:35:21	CalimeroTeknik	https://0x0.st/Xfux.txt
2024-07-26 22:35:37	Antiz	And v7 contains the said fix
2024-07-26 22:36:20	Antiz	(Don't know about the tests)
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2024-07-26 22:37:28	CalimeroTeknik	um, no --assume-notinstalled option I guess. arch-audit prevents pacman 7 from installing
2024-07-26 22:37:36	CalimeroTeknik	I could remove it… or use -d
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2024-07-26 22:38:17	Antiz	Hummm... Up to you I guess x)
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2024-07-26 22:39:17	Antiz	To be honest, I think chances are that patching this fix into the current pacman 6.1.0 Arch package will most likely not be considered (given that maintainers for the said are more looking into updating it to v7 currently as far as I know).
2024-07-26 22:39:19	CalimeroTeknik	no time for dependencies, must move fast and break things. -dd!
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2024-07-26 22:39:47	Antiz	for the said package*
2024-07-26 22:39:59	CalimeroTeknik	and it erased my pacman.conf. great.
2024-07-26 22:40:12	CalimeroTeknik	ah, pacsave
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2024-07-26 22:40:53	CalimeroTeknik	and it _does_ fix the bug
2024-07-26 22:40:55	Antiz	Cool!
2024-07-26 22:41:20	Antiz	So now you know it'll be fixed with pacman v7.0.0 once it's release on Arch side :)
2024-07-26 22:41:38	Antiz	I know people have been talking about it recently, but can't give you an ETA though
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2024-07-26 22:42:25	CalimeroTeknik	no worries, it's largely sufficient to know that the fix is on its way
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2024-07-26 22:42:45	Antiz	AFAIK, there's are still some incompatibilities with pacman 7 and other Arch components (don't have details though). So unsure how long it'll take but yeah, as you said, it's on its way :D
2024-07-26 22:42:47	CalimeroTeknik	it seemed serious enough to have XferCommand outright broken
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2024-07-26 22:44:06	CalimeroTeknik	I use it in slightly unconventional ways… to torrent arch packages between my machines. Why do we even use mirrors for packages? Okay for package list DBs…
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2024-07-26 22:46:43	peteski	Does anyone know how to get the correct keyboard layout/mapping with Arch for a Dell XPS 13 (UK/GB)? I've been through all the layouts previewing each, but they seem to have keys missing like the # near the return key. :/ Google lead me to some forums where folks just had a UK/US mix-up, but I don't think it's that. Thanks in advance, from an Arch n00b
2024-07-26 22:47:22	CalimeroTeknik	eep, maybe there isn't a layout for it yet
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2024-07-26 22:48:37	peteski	:( sad times. I've had it since 2016 or something, but this is the first time I've ever installed and ran Arch. 
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2024-07-26 22:49:29	peteski	I suspect it's a bit too 'nixy for me as a Windows/Mac user and rare linux (mainly Ubuntu or Debian) user. :/ 
2024-07-26 22:49:48	CalimeroTeknik	do you want the correct mapping in the TTYs, or in a graphical environment (X.org/wayland)?
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2024-07-26 22:50:04	CalimeroTeknik	wait, does it work on ubuntu?
2024-07-26 22:50:09	CalimeroTeknik	or debian
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2024-07-26 22:50:19	peteski	I'm in wayland using KDE plasma, so that would be sweet. 
2024-07-26 22:50:44	CalimeroTeknik	if it works in ubuntu or debian, then you merely have to figure out the name of the layout you were using back then
2024-07-26 22:50:45	peteski	Yeah it always 'just worked' in Ubuntu (that last thing I had on it, but took it off as it ruined the battery in sleep)
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2024-07-26 22:52:36	CalimeroTeknik	honestly to me what's printed on the keys is of null importance
2024-07-26 22:52:41	peteski	Arch runs like a dream though performance wise, Windows 11 was diabolical on the same hardware. 
2024-07-26 22:52:46	CalimeroTeknik	I just use the layout I'm used to, everywhere
2024-07-26 22:53:15	peteski	oh hang on...
2024-07-26 22:53:23	peteski	I've .. somehow .. fixed it..
2024-07-26 22:53:26	dandels	:D?
2024-07-26 22:53:32	CalimeroTeknik	by choosing the right keymap?
2024-07-26 22:53:43	CalimeroTeknik	"us-unix" seems to be it.
2024-07-26 22:53:48	peteski	lol
2024-07-26 22:54:12	peteski	I dunno, does it take a while or restarting apps to get them to take effect?
2024-07-26 22:54:26	peteski	luser error ?
2024-07-26 22:54:30	dandels	what does localectl say?
2024-07-26 22:54:40	dandels	i guess that's the way to check the active keymaps
2024-07-26 22:55:26	CalimeroTeknik	does localectl work for whatever your wayland compositor, Xorg config (or live config) has?
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2024-07-26 22:55:59	dandels	it did output a field for both VC keymap and X11 layout
2024-07-26 22:56:08	peteski	System locale: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, VC keymap (unset) x11 keymap (unset)... wuttt
2024-07-26 22:56:23	⚡ 	peteski blinks and squints
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2024-07-26 22:56:31	dandels	could be the tool just doesn't show them
2024-07-26 22:56:38	peteski	it was doing \ instead of # .. but now .. it's not.
2024-07-26 22:56:44	dandels	or that not setting the keymap works correctly :D
2024-07-26 22:56:45	peteski	Sorry for the noise 
2024-07-26 22:57:09	peteski	Thanks for the help
2024-07-26 22:57:18	peteski	I'm going to sleep now that the problem is magically solved.
2024-07-26 22:57:33	dandels	it's solved when it survives a reboot
2024-07-26 22:57:42	peteski	hehhehe
2024-07-26 22:57:48	dandels	but if you're not staying to find out, good night
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2024-07-26 22:57:58	peteski	the next challenge it getting the keys to repeat properly, like backspace.
2024-07-26 22:58:08	dandels	the repeat rate you mean?
2024-07-26 22:58:15	dandels	that's easy, luckily
2024-07-26 22:58:27	dandels	would help if we knew whether you're on x or wayland
2024-07-26 22:58:27	peteski	jinxed it
2024-07-26 22:58:35	peteski	wayland
2024-07-26 22:58:46	dandels	then it depends on your desktop afaik
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2024-07-26 22:58:56	peteski	in the keyboard settings UI it says:when a key is held: repeat..(rate 25)
2024-07-26 22:59:02	peteski	but it doesn't do that in the test area
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2024-07-26 22:59:17	peteski	It's the KDE Plasma desktop.
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2024-07-26 22:59:35	dandels	is it the rate itself you want to configure or the delay before repeating?
2024-07-26 22:59:44	dandels	the default delay is too long for me but the rate itself is fine
2024-07-26 23:00:00	peteski	I want to hold backspace and watch it keep deleting, but when I hold it .. it deletes a single char then stops (despite the settings I mentioend)
2024-07-26 23:00:08	dandels	that's cursed
2024-07-26 23:00:26	⚡ 	peteski deposits laptop in the bin
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2024-07-26 23:01:52	peteski	btw in those same settings, I noticed the Keyboard Model is set at 'Generic | Winbook model XP5' which might be what fixed the # thing?
2024-07-26 23:02:30	⚡ 	dandels shrugs
2024-07-26 23:02:34	dandels	i should go to sleep too
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2024-07-26 23:03:27	peteski	hehe night night. I'll try a quick reboot then sleep
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2024-07-26 23:07:04	peteski	keys are still working yey, so the repeat thing can wait til tomorrow. I should have written every problem down with a solution so I could do this from scratch 
2024-07-26 23:07:06	peteski	ciao all
2024-07-26 23:07:08	monkfish	peteski: this has been reported to be an issue when using ibus, along with plasma in a wayland session: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=295595.
2024-07-26 23:07:09	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Plasma keyboard key repeatation is not working / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-07-26 23:07:32	peteski	Oh, thanks monkfish I'll take a look
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2024-07-26 23:14:35	peteski	I'm not 100% sure I understand what IBus is.. I don't seem to have any virtual keyboards configured. Is it just a component used by the display server?
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2024-07-27 00:57:11	kode54	what the hell
2024-07-27 00:57:18	kode54	the archiso doesn't autoconfigure with iwctl
2024-07-27 00:57:23	kode54	I have to manually dhcp
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2024-07-27 01:04:01	topcat001	autoconfigure with iwctl? You mean you are associated correctly?
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2024-07-27 01:05:01	topcat001	I don't have the latest ISO but I have never had that happen, hmmm.
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2024-07-27 01:07:02	Betal	Iam trying to change hdd logical sector size, but hdparm give an error, what is the problem? https://bpa.st/raw/KFVA
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2024-07-27 01:13:08	monkfish	Betal: the sense data indicates that it's an unaligned write. somewhat ironic, given what you're trying to do. I'm not sure what to do about it, though.
2024-07-27 01:15:04	monkfish	it may fare no better, but you could try aur/seagate-seachest. that also has the feature to alter the logical sector size.
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2024-07-27 01:27:41	kode54	is there some magic for installing arch on a pre-T2 macbook?
2024-07-27 01:27:57	kode54	I'm finding the sata ssd is hanging during pacstrap
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2024-07-27 01:59:41	monkfish	kode54: I'm not sure it will help but perhaps issue a blkdiscard and let it sit for a bit for garbage collection to take place. assuming you're fine with losing all its data, that is. a secure erase is more efficient still, if the drive can be coaxed out of a "frozen" security state (simply suspending and resuming can work).
2024-07-27 02:00:35	kode54	it seems to be a bcachefs bug with the july 2024 iso
2024-07-27 02:00:39	monkfish	oh my, you're using bcachefs? you are a brave man.
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2024-07-27 02:35:20	topcat001	I just switched to btrfs for new installs and was feeling rather pleased with myself.
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2024-07-27 02:47:42	Betal	topcat001: it make many things easier, this is true, had to switch too from lvm thin pools
2024-07-27 02:48:04	espresso	topcat001: happy with btrfs for years now. now if you get corrupt files, it was you. :P
2024-07-27 02:48:28	Betal	hard to get corrupt file in btrfs if you use raid1 or some variant
2024-07-27 02:48:50	Betal	need a serious ram issue
2024-07-27 02:49:12	topcat001	y for me it was mostly inertia
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2024-07-27 03:31:15	kode54	whee
2024-07-27 03:31:25	kode54	turns out I needed a newer kernel than is in the july iso
2024-07-27 03:31:31	kode54	needs 6.10.1
2024-07-27 03:33:47	shalok	a5Lt: You've probably figured something out but fyi, date can easily convert absolute times into relative times (for sleep).
2024-07-27 03:34:00	shalok	a5Lt: echo $(($(date +%s -d "2025-01-01") - $(date +%s -d now)))
2024-07-27 03:34:37	shalok	date can also take fuzzy times like "next tuesday" which might be useful
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2024-07-27 03:40:58	monkfish	- EPOCHSECONDS (in bash)
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2024-07-27 03:57:32	ponies	you want epoch its date +%s, however unfortunately date is not posix 
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2024-07-27 04:01:46	Root-Atlas	how come EDITOR=nano visudo doesnt work after using arch-chroot?
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2024-07-27 04:02:22	Root-Atlas	I'm on an existing archlinux with xfce and kitty terminal
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2024-07-27 04:03:18	Root-Atlas	does it need to be sudoedit?
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2024-07-27 04:05:03	ponies	Root-Atlas: no, visudo is part of the sudo package
2024-07-27 04:05:19	ponies	Root-Atlas: $which visudo 
2024-07-27 04:06:22	Root-Atlas	oh ok.
2024-07-27 04:06:30	Root-Atlas	So just visudo works?
2024-07-27 04:06:39	Root-Atlas	aslong as root?
2024-07-27 04:07:29	Root-Atlas	thanx i'll try that out later
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2024-07-27 04:22:52	dongdigua	hello. after a update on ~7.06, each time I boot, I must toggle mute twice to get sound
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2024-07-27 04:23:52	dongdigua	I tried to disable auto-mute, but don't work
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2024-07-27 04:25:14	dongdigua	if I run `doas alsactl restore`, it works. but `alsa-restore.service` is enabled and ran on boot
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2024-07-27 04:29:56	hay207	Here
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2024-07-27 04:36:13	tusko	Zen kernel is only really relevant for those on the path to enlightenment anyway
2024-07-27 04:37:18	Strykar	Motorcycle maintenance this way --> 
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2024-07-27 06:05:25	Forty-Bot	how does https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/riscv32-elf-newlib/ get built?
2024-07-27 06:05:26	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - riscv32-elf-newlib 3.3.0-2 (any) (at archlinux.org)
2024-07-27 06:05:55	Forty-Bot	it has a make depend on riscv32-elf-gcc, but that doesn't exist
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2024-07-27 06:10:10	Scimmia	well it was last built over 4 years ago, so...
2024-07-27 06:10:57	Forty-Bot	what does "last updated" mean then?
2024-07-27 06:11:15	Scimmia	last time anything was done to it, likely moving between repos or something
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2024-07-27 06:35:57	rcf	Forty-Bot: if it's impossible to build with repo packages, that would be a packaging bug. Also it's out of date by some measure at this point. 
2024-07-27 06:36:20	Forty-Bot	well, it looks like there was a riscv32-elf-gcc the last time this was built https://archive.archlinux.org/packages/r/riscv32-elf-gcc/
2024-07-27 06:36:21	phrik	Title: Index of /packages/r/riscv32-elf-gcc/ (at archive.archlinux.org)
2024-07-27 06:36:41	rcf	If there isn't, and it's needed for this, it should probably be dropped as well. 
2024-07-27 06:36:52	Forty-Bot	idk why that got removed but not newlib (which is not p[articularly useful without a compiler)
2024-07-27 06:37:30	Forty-Bot	otoh, riscv64-elf-gcc claims to support riscv32, but I can't figure out the incantation to make it use the riscv32 newlib
2024-07-27 06:37:57	Forty-Bot	so really I would rather the newlib package be updated to build as an example for the rest of us :)
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2024-07-27 06:39:34	rcf	Forty-Bot: oh, already reported https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/riscv32-elf-newlib/-/issues/1 though it's old. 
2024-07-27 06:39:37	phrik	Title: Missing makedepends riscv32-elf-gcc (#1) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / riscv32-elf-newlib · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-07-27 06:40:14	Forty-Bot	s/days/years/ :)
2024-07-27 06:40:29	rcf	And with https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/riscv32-elf-newlib/-/issues/2 you probably shouldn't be using it in the first place. 
2024-07-27 06:40:30	phrik	Title: [Security] arbitrary code execution (CVE-2021-3420) (#2) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / riscv32-elf-newlib · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-07-27 06:40:58	Forty-Bot	that's only if you use malloc
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2024-07-27 07:13:54	thurstylark	I'm getting "Failed to enable unit: Cannot alias tl-weemux@thurstylark.service as weechat.service" when trying to enable this unit: https://git.thurstylark.com/thurstylark/tl-weemux/src/branch/master/tl-weemux@.service
2024-07-27 07:13:56	phrik	Title: tl-weemux/tl-weemux@.service at master - tl-weemux - Gitea (at git.thurstylark.com)
2024-07-27 07:14:01	thurstylark	What am I doing wrong here?
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2024-07-27 07:26:19	rcf	thurstylark: from my understanding of systemd.unit(5), templates must only be aliased by other templates. 
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2024-07-27 07:30:00	⚡ 	Strykar is glad he's left tmux behind
2024-07-27 07:33:02	thurstylark	Ahh, so if I changed it to `Alias=weechat@%I.service` that should do the thing like I expect?
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2024-07-27 07:33:32	rcf	Possibly. I'd be inclined to avoid the alias; it's not fully documented. 
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2024-07-27 07:37:13	thurstylark	Heh, nope. systemd isn't happy with that. I'll just drop the alias, then
2024-07-27 07:37:44	thurstylark	It's weird because this worked fine on another system not too long ago
2024-07-27 07:37:58	thurstylark	(as in a couple months, so who knows)
2024-07-27 07:38:00	thurstylark	!shurg
2024-07-27 07:38:01	phrik	乁║ ˙ 益 ˙ ║ㄏ
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2024-07-27 07:42:38	thurstylark	oh... it did indeed enable the service, though...
2024-07-27 07:43:29	thurstylark	I would think that a big red error that says "Failed to enable unit" means that it *didn't* do that...
2024-07-27 07:43:40	rcf	hmm
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2024-07-27 07:44:17	rcf	Perhaps you found a bug!
2024-07-27 07:45:10	thurstylark	maybe I'm just misunderstanding, though. I'm basing that assumption on the fact that after I fixed the service file and tried to enable it again, it said that it removed an existing symlink in the process...
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2024-07-27 07:46:23	rcf	Did it create a real, valid symlink, or is it dangling? 
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2024-07-27 07:46:59	thurstylark	Not sure. Didn't know it was there, so didn't look at it when it existed :P
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2024-07-27 11:00:52	SergeantSeal	!paste
2024-07-27 11:00:52	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-07-27 11:01:14	SergeantSeal	!0x0
2024-07-27 11:01:14	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-07-27 11:01:28	SergeantSeal	!rs
2024-07-27 11:01:28	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
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2024-07-27 14:44:18	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-07-27 14:44:18	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1386 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1386 regular)
2024-07-27 12:14:00	phrik	Title: - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
2024-07-27 12:14:00	zava	dandels: so youd host the git repository on your computer?
2024-07-27 12:14:31	zava	at least it says youtube
2024-07-27 14:00:53	jl2	Hi, I don't know where else to ask, but I have a egpu and it's kinda broken half the time. But 
2024-07-27 14:01:28	mpan	… I think your line is broken half of the time too. ;) 
2024-07-27 14:01:29	jl2	I can fix it if I turn the tb3 cable upside down, switch the ends etc until it works
2024-07-27 14:02:00	jl2	mpan: yeah, I dunno why they make that enter key so big :D
2024-07-27 14:02:05	MacGyver	Have you tried a different cable?
2024-07-27 14:02:26	mpan	On a serious note: well, MacGyver was faster.
2024-07-27 14:03:28	jl2	So, now to my actual question: I don't have a other cable, and the problem exists since yesterday (when I coincidentally got back my laptop, they switched the motherboard). Is it more likely cable or port?
2024-07-27 14:04:33	mpan	Equally likely.
2024-07-27 14:05:31	mpan	Seems like an interminnent issues physical in nature.
2024-07-27 14:05:49	jl2	It's just fishy cause plugging the cable the other way around (which should have absolutely no effect with usbc) fixes/breaks it
2024-07-27 14:08:03	BrainDamage	it's not strictly true, usbc cables have chips in them
2024-07-27 14:08:11	BrainDamage	so not all sides are equal
2024-07-27 14:08:58	jl2	It's just the question if I send back my laptop again, or buy a cable, or send back the egpu box
2024-07-27 14:10:38	jl2	I think I'll spend $30 on a new (longer) cable and check if it works with that one.
2024-07-27 14:14:03	mpan	Uh, wanted to tell them to just take a cable from a friend…
2024-07-27 14:14:29	BrainDamage	might not be the the best assumption on the arch channel
2024-07-27 14:14:32	mpan	BrainDamage: yeah, and ports have chips behind them too, and power circuits. So that makes it equal. :)
2024-07-27 14:15:01	BrainDamage	no, it's not equal because there is propagation delay between one end and the other
2024-07-27 14:15:07	mpan	But it really sounds like an electrical connection or signal integrity issue.
2024-07-27 14:15:26	mpan	!check if there are some friendless people in #archlinux
2024-07-27 14:15:27	phrik	Testing if there are some friendless people in #archlinux: [PANIC]
2024-07-27 14:15:40	BrainDamage	and only sockets implement lane switching circuits
2024-07-27 14:16:28	BrainDamage	so you can end up with a configuration where it violates signal integrity specs because the repeater is too close to the source
2024-07-27 14:16:34	MacGyver	BrainDamage: The assumption that people have friends?
2024-07-27 14:16:42	BrainDamage	MacGyver: yes
2024-07-27 14:17:30	mpan	BrainDamage: most people have neighbours.
2024-07-27 14:17:34	mpan	(if they lack friends)
2024-07-27 14:17:50	MacGyver	From borrowing a cup of sugar to borrowing a cable.
2024-07-27 14:17:58	mpan	21st century
2024-07-27 14:18:07	mpan	Either way, since `pacman -S friends` is not working, I suppose we should really move this to #aot. :)
2024-07-27 14:37:02	Scimmia	that is 'a' way, there is no 'the correct way'
2024-07-27 14:37:30	thingfish	mingdao: don't you want to specify a country?
2024-07-27 14:38:28	Scimmia	country doesn't matter IMO
2024-07-27 14:38:39	thingfish	oh
2024-07-27 14:40:05	Namarrgon	Packets are slowed down when they have to go through customs -> lag.
2024-07-27 14:44:18	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-07-27 14:52:33	sweatiest	mingdao: What's the error? Can you copy a mirrorlist from one of your arch hosts that has fast downloads?
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2024-07-27 14:57:21	Scimmia	I don't see an error
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2024-07-27 14:58:05	sweatiest	I see warnings about mirrors timing out. Did you mv mirrorlist.new mirrorlist?
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2024-07-27 15:05:24	sooterson	launch headache into the trashcan
2024-07-27 15:06:08	sooterson	it appears to be shit doe
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2024-07-27 15:07:08	sweatiest	I'd start troubleshooting at the physical layer. Can you run iperf3 between those two machines? Did a cat chew through your CAT cable?
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2024-07-27 19:55:46	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-07-27 20:09:51	glitsj16	andreasg: Anything useful in `dmesg -T | grep Freez -A4`? Or in `journalctl -u systemd-suspend` / `journalctl -u systemd-suspend-then-hibernate`?
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2024-07-27 20:14:03	andreasg	glitsj16, thanks for the hints. nothing in dmesg, nothing in "journalctl -u systemd-suspend-then-hibernate". output of "journalctl -u systemd-suspend" looks fine
2024-07-27 20:15:08	andreasg	i am really running out of ideas how to debug it. at the moment i try to find out how lightdm is loading xfce that with lightdm the error doesnt appear
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2024-07-27 20:15:27	glitsj16	andreasg: these things are always difficult to debug, hoped for something useful damn
2024-07-27 20:15:49	andreasg	i am glad for any hint! so thanks for that
2024-07-27 20:16:40	glitsj16	no worries, found those in my notes
2024-07-27 20:17:17	andreasg	:)
2024-07-27 20:18:07	andreasg	so it has to be something that lightdm loads and xorg needs to suspend. something that gets loaded with lightdm and which is missing if i start xfce by hand or with greetd
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2024-07-27 21:25:28	CarloWood	If I hover with my mouse over a color name (e.g. magenta, or violet) in konsole, it shows a pop-up rectangle with that color. Does anyone know where konsole finds the mapping between colors and their names?
2024-07-27 21:26:33	mpan	CarloWood: no (and me reading the source will not be more helpful than you doing the same), but in general named colors are just points in 3D space and the problem boils down to finding the closest point to the one given.
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2024-07-27 21:27:12	mpan	(which is a problem more suitable for ##programming or #algorithsm than for #archlinux)
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2024-07-27 21:35:37	monkfish	it's not that complicated. all it would require is a dictionary of words to colour values e.g. https://www.w3.org/TR/css-color-3/#svg-color
2024-07-27 21:35:38	phrik	Title: CSS Color Module Level 3 (at www.w3.org)
2024-07-27 21:36:56	CarloWood	konsole is probably using a list that comes with Qt.
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2024-07-27 21:46:09	dcb	hello, how can I fix gpg complaining about "invalid option" on the "pinentry-program" line of my `gpg.conf`?
2024-07-27 21:46:42	bookworm	remove the invalid option (duh)
2024-07-27 21:48:47	dcb	well, now gpg signing on git commits fail with "gpg: signing failed: No pinentry"
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2024-07-27 21:51:20	MrElendig	install a pinentry implementation of choice
2024-07-27 21:51:51	MrElendig	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GnuPG#pinentry
2024-07-27 21:51:52	phrik	Title: GnuPG - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-07-27 21:57:55	dcb	I tried a bunch of the `pinentry-*` under `/usr/bin` but gpg always complains about "invalid option" on the pinentry-program line
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2024-07-27 22:02:40	glitsj16	dcb: not sure, but if memory serves the `pinentry-program foo` goes into `gpg-agent.conf`, not in `gpg.conf`
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2024-07-27 22:09:26	dcb	glitsj16: lol thanks, that was the problem here. I was writing to the wrong file :(
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2024-07-27 22:48:24	af	Hi there, after last -Syu, it seems dbus is not starting on its own. All systemctl invocations fail with "medium not found" and my environment has no dbus variables. pgrep dbus shows nothing. Any ideas what might be the problem?
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2024-07-27 22:50:01	sheep	are the packages dbus-broker and dbus-broker-units installed?
2024-07-27 22:50:15	sheep	if not, are dbus-daemon and dbus-daemon-units installed?
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2024-07-27 22:51:55	af	dbus-broker{,-units} are installed
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2024-07-27 22:52:18	af	the dbus.service and dbus.socket files are present in /usr/lib/systemd/{system,user}
2024-07-27 22:54:04	sheep	that's strange. Has anyone else here seen this before?
2024-07-27 22:54:40	af	let me try manually invoking dbus-broker-launch
2024-07-27 22:54:59	af	uh, "No listener socket inherited"
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2024-07-27 22:55:37	sheep	ahave you rebooted since the update?
2024-07-27 22:55:41	af	yeah
2024-07-27 22:55:55	af	everything was working fine before reboot
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2024-07-27 22:56:08	af	I decided to reboot for not much reason, did a final -Syu and rebooted, now this.
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2024-07-27 22:56:33	af	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1592818
2024-07-27 22:56:35	phrik	Title: 1592818 – Ocasionally fails to start with "dbus-broker-launch[xxx]: No listener socket inherited"" (at bugzilla.redhat.com)
2024-07-27 22:56:37	af	not sure if related
2024-07-27 22:57:07	sheep	you shouldn't need to enable the dbus.socket unit manually, but have you tried that? You may need to reboot after
2024-07-27 22:57:28	af	how do I do that? all systemctl invocations fail. symlink it somewhere?
2024-07-27 22:57:43	sheep	systemctl enable should still set up the symlink even if it can't use dbus
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2024-07-27 22:58:32	af	"systemctl enable dbus.socket" returns the same error, "failed to connect to bus: connection refused"
2024-07-27 22:58:52	af	running it as root gives a big bad looking omen, let me paste it somewhere
2024-07-27 22:59:24	af	https://w.awalgarg.me/d/1ESR0-AYA
2024-07-27 22:59:32	sheep	what do you get from 'find -name dbus.socket /etc/systemd'?
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2024-07-27 23:00:08	af	nothing (I assume you mean find /etc/systemd -name dbus.socket)
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2024-07-27 23:01:30	sheep	weird. I was wondering if maybe there's a broken symlink to the old dbus.socket or something. Maybe i would be under /usr/lib/systemd
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2024-07-27 23:02:25	af	https://w.awalgarg.me/d/7YtLa7Ct_
2024-07-27 23:02:37	af	maybe I just need to restart again, let's see
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2024-07-27 23:04:15	sheep	is /usr/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/dbus.socket a valid symlink?
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2024-07-27 23:06:46	af	yeah it points to dbus.socket
2024-07-27 23:06:56	af	actually on this restart I noticed systemd complaining about dbus not launching
2024-07-27 23:07:54	af	wait let me paste the journal log it has the errors
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2024-07-27 23:08:17	af	https://w.awalgarg.me/d/TuKX2tdnh
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2024-07-27 23:09:03	af	ohh fuck it's this https://github.com/freeipa/freeipa-openshift-container/issues/3
2024-07-27 23:09:05	af	LOL
2024-07-27 23:09:23	af	I mean not container related
2024-07-27 23:09:29	af	but yea I recently fucked with machine-id
2024-07-27 23:10:08	sheep	that sounds plausible
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2024-07-28 12:36:29	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-07-28 12:36:29	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1384 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1384 regular)
2024-07-28 01:25:45	bswartz	slackjeff: I mirror Archlinux and it's 96GB
2024-07-28 01:26:13	bswartz	The great thing about Arch is that it's not stupidly large like other distros
2024-07-28 01:26:28	⚡ 	bswartz bows down to the greatness of zstd
2024-07-28 01:44:49	demonicmaniac1	i remember when arch mirrors were 20gb
2024-07-28 01:46:22	demonicmaniac1	my first arch installs were i686 on 6.4gb hdd :D
2024-07-28 01:50:43	virtualsid	inb4 someone says "I remember when Arch mirrors fit on a single floppy"
2024-07-28 02:14:15	sway	bloatware ftw
2024-07-28 02:16:08	bluetail	sway yea who doesnt like some flatulence
2024-07-28 02:25:28	DeepDayze	Lol
2024-07-28 02:25:44	DeepDayze	No wonder why it stinks :P
2024-07-28 02:36:08	sway	lol
2024-07-28 02:42:47	kode54	!grab bluetail
2024-07-28 02:42:47	phrik	kode54: Tada!
2024-07-28 02:59:57	Root-Atlas	I switched from wayland to x11
2024-07-28 03:00:07	Root-Atlas	And there's a massive noticable latency
2024-07-28 03:00:24	Root-Atlas	1 second delay for each keyboard input or mouse click
2024-07-28 03:00:37	Root-Atlas	The mouse has no delay when moving around tho
2024-07-28 03:01:17	Root-Atlas	I noticed "Keyboard Delay" enabled but I cant find where it's located
2024-07-28 03:01:18	Root-Atlas	I'm using xfce4
2024-07-28 03:01:43	Root-Atlas	Or is laptop just better off with wayland?
2024-07-28 03:03:55	topcat001	Root-Atlas: do you have the intel DDX driver? That can cause this.
2024-07-28 03:05:24	topcat001	xf86-video-intel. If installed, it takes precedence over modesetting (assuming you have an Intel igpu).
2024-07-28 03:27:28	DeepDayze	I find the modesetting DDX works quite well on my HP Probook.
2024-07-28 03:55:28	topcat001	indeed, and it is recommended
2024-07-28 04:00:46	DeepDayze	The old intel driver is buggy no doubt
2024-07-28 04:01:44	DeepDayze	Wish nouveau was just as smooth for the nvidia cards
2024-07-28 04:02:59	DeepDayze	Considering swapping out my aging GTX 1060 for an AMD RX580 (which is about par with the 1060 in performance).
2024-07-28 04:06:25	topcat001	if that's a desktop then the -open drivers seem to be more stable these days
2024-07-28 04:13:50	DeepDayze	Yes my desktop has the nvidia
2024-07-28 07:53:46	kode54	what would cause kswapd0 to endlessly peg a core, even if iotop shows no i/o activity?
2024-07-28 09:27:58	tkna	Hi, For example, we have a downgraded package like this that cannot be started because the dependencies on the downgraded package are too old. What do you think the best solution would be - can docker or some other tool manage the old dependencies, including libraries, etc.? Is there a more lightweight way to do this? https://paste.rs/Ryf7z
2024-07-28 09:37:55	BrainDamage	one solution would be rebuilding the old package against the new libs
2024-07-28 09:39:21	gromit	tkna: why are you downgrading audacity? 
2024-07-28 09:39:56	BrainDamage	3.1.3 is a pretty ancient version of audacity, why are you using that specifically?
2024-07-28 09:41:12	BrainDamage	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/audacity/-/commits/1-3.1.3-3?ref_type=tags 1 year old
2024-07-28 09:41:14	phrik	Title: Commits · 1-3.1.3-3 · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / audacity · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-07-28 09:44:06	tkna	BrainDamage, gromit: This version does not have this bug. This means that you can use files recorded by multiple recorders with different crystals to achieve multi-track recording. https://github.com/audacity/audacity/issues/3688
2024-07-28 09:46:31	tkna	The working procedure is to gather the recorder and clap at the end of the start of the recording, and to use this function to change the speed and match the length of each file that is cut out accordingly.
2024-07-28 09:47:15	BrainDamage	tkna: pacman -S base-devel git; git clone https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/audacity.git; git checkout 1-3.1.3-3; makepkg -si
2024-07-28 09:47:48	BrainDamage	there's no guarantee that it'll compile because libraries and compilers change over time, but it's worth a shot
2024-07-28 09:48:09	BrainDamage	oh, I forgot a cd audacity between git clone and git checkout
2024-07-28 09:49:06	BrainDamage	you'll be responsible to run again makepkg when the software breaks due to system lib changes
2024-07-28 09:49:07	gromit	BrainDamage: also "pkgctl repo clone audacity && pkgctl build -i auto audacity" would do the trick :D
2024-07-28 09:49:33	gromit	BrainDamage: * also "pkgctl repo clone --switch='1-3.1.3-3' audacity && pkgctl build -i auto audacity" would do the trick :D
2024-07-28 09:49:47	gromit	BrainDamage: * also "pkgctl repo clone --switch='1:3.1.3-3' audacity && pkgctl build -i auto audacity" would do the trick :D
2024-07-28 09:53:05	tkna	BrainDamage, gromit: That seems like an ideal solution. So you can build according to the current environment without having to prepare a virtual environment?
2024-07-28 09:53:22	BrainDamage	correct
2024-07-28 10:12:46	BrainDamage	tkna: I've tried to compile and it fails, there's another solution, the devs offer an appimage version you could try: https://github.com/audacity/audacity/releases/download/Audacity-3.1.3/audacity-linux-3.1.3-x86_64.AppImage
2024-07-28 10:14:39	tkna	BrainDamage: Yeah, I've tried that, but there are some things that don't work. Do I need to have an option to ignore validation or something? https://paste.rs/8qJjI
2024-07-28 10:14:41	tkna	It looks like it could be used simultaneously with the latest version. Very nice.
2024-07-28 10:15:05	snappy	is this a place i can ask about arch on arm (rasp pi)?
2024-07-28 10:15:19	BrainDamage	phrik: give snappy alarm
2024-07-28 10:15:20	phrik	snappy: #archlinuxarm
2024-07-28 10:15:40	snappy	ack
2024-07-28 10:15:59	BrainDamage	tkna: run updpkgsums in the directory
2024-07-28 10:16:58	BrainDamage	but there's a separate compilation error that happens later, compilers got more strict in their checking and the code fails
2024-07-28 10:17:33	BrainDamage	it can probably be made more lax by passing permissive to cflags
2024-07-28 10:20:40	tkna	BrainDamage: I made it to the build, but it seems to fail. I think you are probably talking about here. https://paste.rs/tOMLH
2024-07-28 10:20:59	BrainDamage	yup, that's it
2024-07-28 10:28:49	BrainDamage	unfortunately, it's far off from the only error
2024-07-28 10:33:00	BrainDamage	even if you fix it, there's plenty more
2024-07-28 10:33:22	BrainDamage	CFLAGS+=' -fpermissive' and   CXXFLAGS+=' -fpermissive' before cmake
2024-07-28 10:34:47	bdt	make a symlink from the newest libportmidi .so to libportmidi.so.1 ? maybe worth a try
2024-07-28 10:46:20	tkna	AppImage appears to be unable to start as well; is there a dependency on AppImage as well? https://paste.rs/fPIAv
2024-07-28 10:59:15	tkna	bdt: I did this and was able to activate it! Thanks! https://paste.rs/ei0GD   screencast: https://0x0.st/Xf4o.mp4
2024-07-28 11:13:05	bdt	tkna: nice. hope it works out for you
2024-07-28 11:30:51	tkna	BrainDamage, gromit, bdt: I have discovered that using `tenacity 1.3.3-4` seems to be a better solution. I'm sure many people will be pleased with this. In any case, thanks! screencast: https://0x0.st/Xf4B.mp4
2024-07-28 12:30:07	andreasg	hey guys, i am still struggeling with my suspend problem on my laptop if lid gets closed, since some updates of the last months
2024-07-28 12:32:05	andreasg	in the terminal i can suspend normal with "systemctl suspend", every wayland compositor let me suspend normal, but if i start any xsession like fluxbox or xfce in terminal notebook freezes while lid get closed
2024-07-28 12:34:08	andreasg	if i start fluxbox or xfce with loginmanager like sddm or lightdm suspend works normal
2024-07-28 12:36:30	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-07-28 12:36:44	dzhi	I'm loving my arch seedbox.
2024-07-28 12:36:46	andreasg	so looks like something importent is missing to get loaded while starting xfce from terminal
2024-07-28 12:37:55	andreasg	anyone any idea what could be missing that cause the freezes on suspend?
2024-07-28 12:38:10	andreasg	loginctl looks fine
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2024-07-28 12:39:33	andreasg	starting xfce with "exec dbus-launch --exit-with-session startxfce4" doesnt make any difference neither
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2024-07-28 13:14:37	andreasg	i compared the running user processes of a fluxbox session started by terminal (there suspending isnt working) with the fluxbox user processes started by sddm (there suspending is working)
2024-07-28 13:15:29	andreasg	i found out that the only difference are dbus-launch vs dbus-broker-launch
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2024-07-28 13:17:07	andreasg	now i remember that during the update i was asked if i would like to use dbus-broker as default provider for dbus-units and i used the default option "1) dbus-broker-units"
2024-07-28 13:17:43	andreasg	could this problem with suspending be related to the new dbus-broker provider?
2024-07-28 13:17:58	andreasg	i am not that experienced in debugging dbus problems
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2024-07-28 13:50:33	andreasg	how can i remigrate to dbus instead of dbus-broker?
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2024-07-28 13:54:54	Namarrgon	Install the other one.
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2024-07-28 13:59:08	andreasg	systemd needs dbus-units and this needs dbus-boker-units 
2024-07-28 13:59:14	andreasg	https://nopaste.net/GP1eQQ6NSz
2024-07-28 13:59:38	andreasg	do i have to use "--force"?
2024-07-28 14:00:12	andreasg	i am not that experienced pacman user to solve this kind of issues and its a bit dangerous to brik systemd ;D
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2024-07-28 14:11:35	MrElendig	systemd works with either
2024-07-28 14:12:19	MrElendig	and --force doesn't override dependency conflicts
2024-07-28 14:12:20	andreasg	yeah, i know, but i have to uninstall systemd to uninstall dbus to switch from dbus-broker-units to dbus-units
2024-07-28 14:12:48	MrElendig	no, you just pacman -S dbus-units and say yes to the replace
2024-07-28 14:12:52	andreasg	howto force override dependencys to let pacman force to switch back ;)
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2024-07-28 14:13:35	MrElendig	and never use -Sy
2024-07-28 14:13:37	andreasg	i have dbus-units installed, but i cant get rid of dbus-broker-units
2024-07-28 14:13:48	andreasg	oh, thanks! good to know ;)
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2024-07-28 14:14:18	MrElendig	-S dbus-daemon-units
2024-07-28 14:14:24	MrElendig	and say yes to the replace
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2024-07-28 14:15:00	andreasg	https://nopaste.net/IwpSrZLZeW
2024-07-28 14:15:06	andreasg	still not working
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2024-07-28 14:15:13	MrElendig	LANG=C
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2024-07-28 14:15:30	MrElendig	haven't done german since '45
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2024-07-28 14:15:59	andreasg	 <MrElendig> haven't done german since '45 <<-- evil statement for me as a left minded ;)
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2024-07-28 14:16:58	andreasg	sorry for german! here in english: https://nopaste.net/Vtwwfmzhl9
2024-07-28 14:17:38	MrElendig	hmm should have gotten a replace
2024-07-28 14:18:33	andreasg	so looks like a circle dependencies problem :>
2024-07-28 14:18:38	MrElendig	back in a bit, dinner
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2024-07-28 14:18:46	andreasg	enjoy your meal
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2024-07-28 14:18:59	andreasg	i have to leave in a few minutes but i will be back in a few hours
2024-07-28 14:19:09	MrElendig	dbus-daemon-units provides dbus-units which is what systemd actually depends on
2024-07-28 14:19:12	andreasg	so hightlight me if you have any idea ;)
2024-07-28 14:19:27	andreasg	exactly
2024-07-28 14:19:38	MrElendig	probably missing a replaces in the pkgbuild
2024-07-28 14:20:03	andreasg	but looks like dbus-units depends on dbus-broker-units as well
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2024-07-28 14:20:36	andreasg	i think while i made my choice to switch to dbus-broker some config is edited that force dbus-broker now
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2024-07-28 14:21:05	andreasg	well mate, enjoy your meal first! 
2024-07-28 14:21:12	andreasg	we talk later on the day ;)
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2024-07-28 14:57:41	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-07-28 14:57:42	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1397 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1397 regular)
2024-07-28 14:29:12	Namarrgon	pacman -Qi dbus-units
2024-07-28 14:57:42	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-07-28 14:58:45	andreasg	Namarrgon, hi! thanks for the hint. dbus-units depends on dbus-broker-units. https://nopaste.net/upI0Vy9qGB
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2024-07-28 15:36:13	alad	you're looking for dbus-daemon-units
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2024-07-28 15:36:37	alad	which was already mentioned
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2024-07-28 16:21:01	lmat	I'm using yt-dlp to download a vimeo video. I see that "Chrome-99     Android-12" is an impersonate target (using --list-impersonate-targets), so I pass --impersonate "Chrome-99:Android-12" (and -v) and in the output, I see, "Got HTTP Error 429 when using impersonate target "chrome-110:windows-10"."   I also tried "chrome:android" and several other variants, but it appears always to be using the
2024-07-28 16:21:07	lmat	windows-10 target.
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2024-07-28 16:28:32	novns	lmat, update yt-lvm just in case, sometimes they release updates daily
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2024-07-28 17:03:34	P1ro	Hi, im on kde-wayland, with a old 42` TV current issue is "overscan" this tv dont have an option for overscan or fit screen, right now setting "Overscan 72%" on display settings are pretty close to FIT screen in TV but still need a bit more, if i try to set 73% it does nothing when apply or reboot, is there a way to get more that 72% overscan or antoher way to get that? thanks.
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2024-07-28 17:23:06	NubiaMeow	Hi folks, I'm having some trouble getting llmnr working with resolved and NetworkManager. I've set connection.llmnr in NetworkManager.conf and through nmcli to no avail. LLMNR=yes is set in resolved.conf. 
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2024-07-28 17:24:18	grawity	do you need LLMNR specifically as opposed to mDNS, and in either case does your firewall let it through?
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2024-07-28 17:27:20	NubiaMeow	mDNS is working fine, for example I can ping my Raspberry Pi at raspberrypi.local. If I try to do the same for my samba server at samba.local, it will not resolve. Pinging samba.local from a Windows machine resolves fine. The local firewall is disabled.
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2024-07-28 17:28:33	NubiaMeow	I'm trying to replicate the behaviour of the Windows machine on Arch
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2024-07-28 17:34:00	bluetail	NubiaMeow don't wonder if Windows shit doesn't work on Linux
2024-07-28 17:34:07	bluetail	it's shit to start with, and proprietary
2024-07-28 17:34:15	bluetail	Similar to NTFS.
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2024-07-28 17:37:54	NubiaMeow	bluetail: I'm very aware Windows sucks but I have to cater for both OSes, otherwise I'd just have an NFS server...
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2024-07-28 17:38:49	bluetail	You think you can't use NFS on Windows?
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2024-07-28 17:39:30	bluetail	in any case, this could have many causes
2024-07-28 17:39:35	bluetail	such of one is using a VPN
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2024-07-28 17:41:11	NubiaMeow	*I* can  use NFS on a Windows machine - other folks on my network don't want to mess about - I'm not using a VPN on either
2024-07-28 17:42:29	bluetail	thats not a you problem then
2024-07-28 17:42:36	bluetail	unless this is for work
2024-07-28 17:42:43	bluetail	in which case your request is unreasonable
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2024-07-28 17:43:20	bluetail	You may require to have dedicated resources for dedicated tasks. 
2024-07-28 17:43:35	bluetail	If this is your own family, let them learn
2024-07-28 17:44:35	NubiaMeow	I'm not forcing my family to learn just for the sake of having somewhere to put holiday photos
2024-07-28 17:45:16	bluetail	Then self-host a gallery with upload function or plain nextcloud
2024-07-28 17:45:23	teraflops	bluetail: dude chill and let people do what they want to do, it's not your business 
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2024-07-28 17:45:32	bluetail	Alright. 
2024-07-28 17:46:52	NubiaMeow	LLMNR functionality is advertised as something that should *just work* on the wiki - I'm just trying to figure out where I went wrong lol
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2024-07-28 17:49:00	bluetail	Well did you setup via NetworkManager?
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2024-07-28 17:51:39	tween	how much is the longest uptime with arch
2024-07-28 17:52:00	NubiaMeow	bluetail: Here's the command I used: sudo nmcli connection modify Wired\ connection\ 1 connection.mdns yes
2024-07-28 17:52:10	Antiz	tween: What do you mean? ^^
2024-07-28 17:52:19	pagundu	tween: 1 second.
2024-07-28 17:52:36	NubiaMeow	I then did sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager.service
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2024-07-28 17:53:26	pagundu	Although you would be curious about uptime of a server, rather than a user machine.
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2024-07-28 17:53:38	NubiaMeow	Oops, not connection.mdns, connection.llmnr
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2024-07-28 17:54:44	NubiaMeow	tween: this might interest you: https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/69of9r/my_personal_uptime_record/
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2024-07-28 17:55:13	tween	459 days! thanks!
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2024-07-28 17:57:04	NubiaMeow	I definitely wouldn't recommend it though (and neither does the person who made that post)
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2024-07-28 18:06:28	dzhi	just played with aconfmgr a bit, it's nice. Do anyone use that or some alternative to quickly provision new box?
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2024-07-28 18:09:26	ZLima12	I'm pretty sure I've gone over a year of uptime on Arch Linux ARM
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2024-07-28 18:14:05	susi	I have had about a year with Arch
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2024-07-28 19:34:07	rarest1	im having problems running kitty terminal on arch linux hyprland virtualbox
2024-07-28 19:34:19	rarest1	can anyone help?
2024-07-28 19:34:53	rarest1	super+Q wont work
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2024-07-28 22:53:48	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-07-29 03:12:01	fedora	!paste
2024-07-29 03:12:01	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-07-29 03:16:04	fedora	Hi, I am looking for a command which allow to cat stdin to a raw online pastebin. May someone provide it?
2024-07-29 03:16:21	supra	Please* :)
2024-07-29 03:23:49	⚡ 	supra solved
2024-07-29 03:28:43	zhme	Hey people, haven't been on Linux box for a couple of years, having trouble getting my connection going on my toaster that i'm installing on
2024-07-29 03:29:36	zhme	!paste
2024-07-29 03:29:37	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-07-29 03:29:59	zhme	Can I just post my forum link in here?
2024-07-29 03:31:45	DeepDayze	Don't post any links to malicious sites
2024-07-29 03:32:01	zhme	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=298130
2024-07-29 03:32:02	phrik	Title: Belkin wifi dongle - iwd shows no devices,adapters,etc. / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-07-29 03:32:35	DeepDayze	Belkins are pretty junk for me
2024-07-29 03:32:45	zhme	Same for me, but I am broke
2024-07-29 03:32:58	zhme	Car just went to the junkyard this week, rod knock
2024-07-29 03:33:06	DeepDayze	Oh no
2024-07-29 03:33:35	archdemon	zhme: oh that sucks
2024-07-29 03:33:55	zhme	Yeah, but it was all me. I ignored issues because other bills were more important
2024-07-29 03:34:00	zhme	awesome hindsight
2024-07-29 03:34:05	archdemon	zhme: happens all the time sadly
2024-07-29 03:34:25	MacGyver	zhme: Do you have a phone?
2024-07-29 03:34:30	zhme	of course
2024-07-29 03:34:37	MacGyver	zhme: Does the phone connect to WiFi?
2024-07-29 03:34:41	zhme	Yup
2024-07-29 03:34:49	MacGyver	zhme: Then use USB tethering.
2024-07-29 03:35:17	zhme	The Belkin dongle works, just not connecting on my arch install media
2024-07-29 03:35:31	zhme	I took it from a windows box that it worked perfectly on
2024-07-29 03:35:41	MacGyver	Yeah, and rather than fix that only on the arch install media, ignore it and do the install with a tethered phone.
2024-07-29 03:35:57	MacGyver	Once installed, it's worth troubleshooting if it still doesn't work then.
2024-07-29 03:36:09	MacGyver	But fixing these kind of issues *on* the install media is a pain in the rear.
2024-07-29 03:36:21	MacGyver	And just not worth it.
2024-07-29 03:36:22	DeepDayze	Indeed
2024-07-29 03:36:38	zhme	I can give that a try, I figured it was an issue with drivers/install media config bc the device doesn't even come up with 'iw dev'
2024-07-29 03:36:48	DeepDayze	Ethernet connections usually are the best bet but there's times all you got are wifi only
2024-07-29 03:37:06	zhme	wife aggro, brb
2024-07-29 03:37:21	DeepDayze	Most of these dongles need a driver or firmware loaded for the device for it to work
2024-07-29 03:37:22	MacGyver	It probably *is* an issue with drivers, but it's just not worth troubleshooting on the installer.
2024-07-29 03:37:29	archdemon	yeah i bought my own ethernet cable and had the electrician wire the house for ethernet because i didnt want to deal with wifi struggling
2024-07-29 03:37:59	archdemon	as in enough to run through the house 
2024-07-29 03:38:14	DeepDayze	Agreed...troubleshooting wifi devices in the installer are a pita
2024-07-29 03:38:47	MacGyver	Oh I should've checked -- is it an *android* phone?
2024-07-29 03:38:56	MacGyver	Because iPhone tethering is *also* a pain in the rear.
2024-07-29 03:39:34	MacGyver	Though maybe the installer ships with libimobiledevice and usbmuxd?
2024-07-29 03:39:54	MacGyver	Anyway, I'm heading to bed.
2024-07-29 03:40:00	archdemon	MacGyver: have a good one
2024-07-29 03:40:38	MacGyver	First need to mv /house/cat /outside
2024-07-29 03:59:25	zhme	ngl, this phone tethering business makes me feel pretty stupid
2024-07-29 03:59:55	zhme	so many hours of wifi troubleshooting... I never thought to plug in the phone directly to the device with a USB directly...
2024-07-29 04:00:07	zhme	its in the name of the option and I thought it just didnt work
2024-07-29 04:00:29	archdemon	zhme: it happens
2024-07-29 04:17:10	zhme	Well, that was an attempt, but it still doesn't connect
2024-07-29 04:29:02	zhme	iwctl should be listing devices methinks..
2024-07-29 04:37:42	Scimmia	iwctl...for android tethering? Or are you talking about the dongle?
2024-07-29 05:50:46	Medic2016	Has anyone been able to install Wazuh using this command "curl -sO https://packages.wazuh.com/4.8/wazuh-install.sh && sudo bash ./wazuh-install.sh -a"?
2024-07-29 06:08:44	Edu4rdSHL	Uh, a 4.5k bash script on a curl | bash command
2024-07-29 06:09:02	Edu4rdSHL	Medic2016, any reason to not use the AUR packages?
2024-07-29 06:09:15	Edu4rdSHL	Also, you're not giving any error or anything
2024-07-29 06:09:21	Edu4rdSHL	!give Medic2016 anyone
2024-07-29 06:09:21	phrik	Medic2016: Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2024-07-29 06:12:03	Medic2016	I honestly didn't know there were packages in the AUR. I tried using the curl command, and it errored out, saying it can't identify the OS
2024-07-29 06:12:50	Edu4rdSHL	Always check the AUR :)
2024-07-29 06:51:32	xx0a_q	yeah Medic2016, Edu4rdSHL you should also probably check if maintainers of these AUR packages are affiliated with the project. you know check if this is the same thing, not modified or something
2024-07-29 06:51:40	Medic2016	Edu4rdSHL: true lol
2024-07-29 06:52:09	Medic2016	xx0a_q:  that makes sense. Thank you. 
2024-07-29 07:55:46	eqw	why gnome-shell eats 40% CPU?
2024-07-29 07:55:52	eqw	wrong window
2024-07-29 10:03:39	ablon0	When I connect a thunderbolt dock, all usb ports stay off and only the displayport works. If I run a pci rescan it then turns all the usb ports on and I can connect devices in those ports. is there a way to run this automatically? shouldn't it be doing that automatically?
2024-07-29 10:04:45	ablon0	I tried putting the rescan command into a udev rule.. it did the rescan but I think it was too early and all the devices went down again... I'm pretty sure that's a bad solution...
2024-07-29 10:05:03	ablon0	even if I set some timer for the rescan in the udev rule
2024-07-29 10:50:20	ablon0	When I connect a thunderbolt, all usb ports are off. I then have to run a pci rescan to enable the ports. This happens 100% of the times I try to use any thunderbolt dock. Is that expected? Can I have the rescan ran automatically? if so, how? sorry for asking this again. I got disconnected and I don't know if I got any answer.
2024-07-29 10:50:50	BrainDamage	there was no answer
2024-07-29 10:51:29	BrainDamage	it's possible that your hw is quirky/nonconormant and the devs never noticed problems with windows
2024-07-29 10:52:04	BrainDamage	a udev rule should let you trigger a rescan on plug
2024-07-29 10:52:07	ablon0	it is a wd22tb4 from dell.
2024-07-29 10:52:30	sheep	a udev rule should work if you can identify some USB or PCI device that becomes active when you plug in the dock
2024-07-29 10:59:11	ablon0	I was able to make it run the rescan automatically with this rule...
2024-07-29 10:59:22	ablon0	ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="thunderbolt", RUN+="/usr/local/bin/rescan-pci.sh"
2024-07-29 10:59:46	sheep	nice
2024-07-29 11:00:11	ablon0	It feels wrong though to have to run a "manual" rescan every time I connect a thunderbolt dock
2024-07-29 11:00:14	sheep	it might make sense to report a bug somewhere about this. Maybe there's some quirk with this device where it should automatically rescan things but doesn't
2024-07-29 11:00:37	sheep	I'm not sure if that should go to the linux kernel itself or one of its subsystem bug trackers
2024-07-29 11:01:29	ablon0	thanks. I'll try to report the issue.
2024-07-29 11:01:46	sheep	if you know the vendor ID and product ID, make sure to include those
2024-07-29 11:02:19	BrainDamage	it would be useful to test with different thunderbolt docks and see if it's the laptop itself or the dock
2024-07-29 11:02:41	sheep	https://bugzilla.kernel.org/ recommends reporting this to Arch first, assuming that you're using one of Arch's official kernel packages
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2024-07-29 14:04:41	solenshiner	Hello. Im out of space on my /boot. Any tips? I dont want to bother enlarging it, its just an appliance and not worth the time. For example, whats the uncompressed Image doing on there?
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2024-07-29 14:05:24	solenshiner	its the unofficial arch linux arm port btw
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2024-07-29 14:05:37	phrik	#archlinuxarm
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2024-07-29 14:05:47	solenshiner	Oh! Thanks!
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2024-07-29 14:07:47	ponies	solenshiner: your /boot and be anywhere you just reinstall whatever and make a boot entry as such 
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2024-07-29 14:13:06	solenshiner	Yeah i dont want to bother reinstalling
2024-07-29 14:15:49	ponies	solenshiner: no you just install the boot manager 
2024-07-29 14:16:01	lsrtl	hi, got a package installed (qtox), though can't find anywhere anymore. Could it be removed ?
2024-07-29 14:16:14	Scimmia	ponies: most ARM systems don't have that
2024-07-29 14:16:47	ponies	solenshiner: what im saying is partition space (EFI) anywhere on your hdd, however big you want, and install the boot manager there 
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2024-07-29 14:17:01	Antiz	lsrtl: qtox is unmaintained and thus has been removed from the repository. See https://github.com/qTox/qTox/blob/master/README.md
2024-07-29 14:17:14	solenshiner	yeah i dont think i can do that good idea though
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2024-07-29 14:17:32	Scimmia	!give ponies notarch
2024-07-29 14:17:33	phrik	ponies: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2024-07-29 14:17:35	ponies	you cant do that on arm? wat?
2024-07-29 14:17:45	lsrtl	Antiz, ic
2024-07-29 14:17:54	BrainDamage	99% of arm systems don't boot off efi
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2024-07-29 14:20:28	solenshiner	ponies: i think its using uboot and not efi? im not really knowdledgable on the deep dark details of booting arm systems tho. phrik: Sorry for bringing an unofficial port here, i duckduckgo search arch linux arm irc | discord and saw no immediate hits so i figured someone here might be able to help
2024-07-29 14:20:40	solenshiner	mb
2024-07-29 14:21:24	BrainDamage	phrik: give solenshiner bot
2024-07-29 14:21:25	phrik	solenshiner: I'm a bot! ~does the binary solo~ 00001 000011 0000111
2024-07-29 14:21:37	solenshiner	haha
2024-07-29 14:21:44	solenshiner	alrite
2024-07-29 14:22:16	furrykef	Those aren't even bytes :|
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2024-07-29 14:42:08	lmat	novns: (regarding yt-dlp impersonate targets) I installed it another computer (which amounts to an update) and it works! Thank you!
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2024-07-29 14:59:33	noclaf	man it's been a while since i've installed arch. actually had to follow the guide. that step 4 "reboot" is a doozy when you haven't gotten to the part where the bootloader is actually configured.
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2024-07-29 15:04:24	Scimmia	the bootloader is 3.8
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2024-07-29 15:05:46	noclaf	Yeah, in hindsight I realize I missed that. Also forgot to create a new user, start ssh, configure the network... I was a little too excited to unearth my desktop after 4 years of not really having access to it.
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2024-07-29 15:06:55	noclaf	Most of my hacking outside of work has been home automation on a raspberry pi. satisfying, but not like arch was.
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2024-07-29 15:19:21	virtualsid	hey, at least you can just carry on the install where you left off, generally :)
2024-07-29 15:22:52	noclaf	oh, sure. was easy enough to recover.
2024-07-29 15:24:10	virtualsid	That was one of the bits I liked about installing Arch - I was able to go back and do little tweaks if I got something wrong (actually, it was when something corrupted my bootloader - I blame Windows).
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2024-07-29 15:35:27	j0hannes	Hello, I found that an AUR package I was maintaining disappeared - how can I find out the reason?
2024-07-29 15:35:48	gromit	j0hannes: which package was it? generally just look at aur-request
2024-07-29 15:35:58	Namarrgon	Check the official repos, too
2024-07-29 15:36:00	gromit	* aur requests
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2024-07-29 15:36:16	j0hannes	it used to be here: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/jabref-latest
2024-07-29 15:36:55	Namarrgon	Which branch was -latest following?
2024-07-29 15:37:04	gromit	j0hannes: https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/aur-requests@lists.archlinux.org/thread/6ODV2Q6OL2XPXD4I26CNYIXQ2BMKL7A2/#6ODV2Q6OL2XPXD4I26CNYIXQ2BMKL7A2
2024-07-29 15:37:05	phrik	Title: [PRQ#61451] Deletion Request for jabref-latest - Aur-requests - lists.archlinux.org (at lists.archlinux.org)
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2024-07-29 15:37:30	j0hannes	I must have missed that one
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2024-07-29 15:38:11	j0hannes	Namarrgon: it was using the latest stable version
2024-07-29 15:38:48	j0hannes	that is, the latest development release, not the official releases
2024-07-29 15:40:10	j0hannes	usually one minor version ahead of the official release
2024-07-29 15:40:38	j0hannes	so it's actually not a duplicate of jabref-bin
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2024-07-29 15:50:31	Scimmia	j0hannes: so a badly named package with a bad pkgver. 
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2024-07-29 15:51:42	Scimmia	easy to see how people were confused
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2024-07-29 15:53:44	j0hannes	Scimmia: why that?
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2024-07-29 15:55:41	j0hannes	the pkgver is updated when the package is built - I've copied that from other packages
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2024-07-29 15:57:22	jelle	j0hannes: why is it called -latest?
2024-07-29 15:58:29	j0hannes	because it's the most recent version available in binary format
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2024-07-29 16:01:10	Namarrgon	'jabref' is implicitly "-latest", your PKGBUILD was something like -devel.
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2024-07-29 16:02:51	FreeFull	Does anyone know how to make pipewire run as a global service, instead of just user-local? I don't want audio from one user to cut out while I'm switched to another user in a second tty
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2024-07-29 16:03:29	jelle	Namarrgon: or is this nightly?
2024-07-29 16:03:40	jelle	cause that is what it seems like
2024-07-29 16:04:03	chazy	I'm looking at the PCI passthrough via OVMF page of the wiki and I see no section for passing through a GPU on a single GPU system, that is, leaving the host headless when starting the VM and reattaching the GPU to the host once the VM is shutdown, is there any reason why this has not been documented?
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2024-07-29 16:04:26	Namarrgon	If they update it somewhat regularly then -nightly would fit better, yes, but i have no idea about their schedule.
2024-07-29 16:05:01	Namarrgon	https://builds.jabref.org/main/ There is a version with today's date, so.
2024-07-29 16:05:02	phrik	Title: index - powered by h5ai v0.30.0 (https://larsjung.de/h5ai/) (at builds.jabref.org)
2024-07-29 16:05:34	Namarrgon	-nightly-bin!
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2024-07-29 16:09:33	FreeFull	The pipewire package Arch ships doesn't include the system-wide unit files, and I don't see an AUR package for that either
2024-07-29 16:10:02	jelle	FreeFull: why would it need to be system wide?
2024-07-29 16:10:12	Namarrgon	I don't think upstream provides an system-wide units.
2024-07-29 16:10:17	Namarrgon	*any
2024-07-29 16:11:46	FreeFull	jelle: So multiple users can play audio at the same time
2024-07-29 16:11:54	FreeFull	Although having just one user be able to play audio would be ok too
2024-07-29 16:12:31	jelle	what's the use case?
2024-07-29 16:12:34	FreeFull	Namarrgon: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/blob/master/src/daemon/systemd/system/pipewire.service.in
2024-07-29 16:12:35	phrik	Title: src/daemon/systemd/system/pipewire.service.in · master · PipeWire / pipewire · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
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2024-07-29 16:13:25	Namarrgon	I stand corrected.
2024-07-29 16:13:45	FreeFull	jelle: I am logged in as one user in tty1, and another user in tty2, and want to play audio as the first user, and don't want the audio to cut out when I switch to tty2
2024-07-29 16:16:56	Namarrgon	You can just pop the units into /etc or rebuild the whole package and file a feature request against the arch package.
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2024-07-29 16:50:46	demaio	FreeFull: afaik logind/udev changes the acl of the /dev/snd/* files when switching ttys, so that your first users pipewire does not have permission to the sound devices anymore
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2024-07-29 17:35:34	FreeFull	demaio: I added my user to the audio group, and the user:group on the /dev/snd/* files is root:audio (with rw permissions for both user and group), and it still happens, so there must be something more going on t oo
2024-07-29 17:35:38	FreeFull	too*
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2024-07-29 17:46:28	demaio	FreeFull: did you double-check that your user1 is really logged out (no processes of that user running) after adding it to the audio group and then re-login? Do you use a display manager?
2024-07-29 17:47:11	FreeFull	I don't use a display manager. I also explicitly killed pipewire's processes and wireplumber, to get fresh instances
2024-07-29 17:47:21	FreeFull	I can try rebooting though to get a fully clean environment, though
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2024-07-29 17:50:14	FreeFull	Ok, rebooting did it
2024-07-29 17:50:19	jelle	or use mpd? :)
2024-07-29 17:50:21	FreeFull	Now the first user keeps control of audio
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2024-07-29 17:56:13	demaio	jelle: sure, for playing music this would be sufficient. I sometimes do video-conferences and need to switch to another tty (with another user logged in) and for me the audio/video group membership was one way to stay connected with the audio/video stream
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2024-07-29 20:40:05	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-07-29 20:40:05	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1403 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1403 regular)
2024-07-29 20:02:41	teJECSke	$ qtcreator
2024-07-29 20:02:43	teJECSke	qtcreator: symbol lookup error: /usr/bin/../lib/qtcreator/libUtils.so.14: undefined symbol: _ZN19QAbstractFileEngine12endEntryListEv, version Qt_6_PRIVATE_API
2024-07-29 20:04:20	wantyapps	something weird with the installation. Have you tried purging the files and trying a different version? @ Tea 
2024-07-29 20:04:22	wantyapps	oopsss
2024-07-29 20:04:29	wantyapps	oh teJECSke left
2024-07-29 20:04:35	wantyapps	sorry Tea for the mentio
2024-07-29 20:04:40	Tea	Happens all the time :P
2024-07-29 20:32:39	MrElendig	most likely a partial update
2024-07-29 20:32:43	MrElendig	+and
2024-07-29 20:33:48	Namarrgon	or DNS
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2024-07-29 20:55:54	gaku	anyone here has a clue on why would resolved give access denied with an ipv6 ULA as the DNS server? do note, it is pingable, the routing works, and drill @$ULA_address $domain works too
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2024-07-29 20:57:25	noobaroo	gaku i dont know the answer to your question but im wondering if you know the answer to mine since you seem smart about resolved and dns stuff. 
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2024-07-29 20:57:38	gaku	noobaroo: go ahead
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2024-07-29 20:58:46	noobaroo	I tried to use arti (tor rust) from arch and it runs a proxy on localhost:8080 but it keeps failing to start because its using ::1 and I have ipv6 disabled everywhere (kernel settings and router)
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2024-07-29 20:59:23	arti	why would you disable ipv6
2024-07-29 20:59:46	gaku	noobaroo: ya, that's a ye borked it scenario, especially if ye borked ipv6 on the loopback
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2024-07-29 21:00:36	gaku	noobaroo: does it let you set the proxy address?
2024-07-29 21:01:11	noobaroo	seems weird that they force ipv6? especially since so many proxy/VPN services recommend disabling ipv6
2024-07-29 21:01:32	gaku	and also, check if resolving localhost AAAA gives something, can't go and disable ipv6 on the loopback without taking care of the local resolution
2024-07-29 21:01:34	noobaroo	Nope, it says how to change proxy port and says `Note: arti always runs on localhost`
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2024-07-29 21:01:59	gaku	noobaroo: ipv6 for outbound, which is trivial
2024-07-29 21:02:09	gaku	nuking ipv6 on loopback is rather pointless
2024-07-29 21:02:12	noobaroo	gaku i tried to set an entry in /etc/hosts 
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2024-07-29 21:03:20	noobaroo	well, if you use sysctl to disable, it's not interface-specific 
2024-07-29 21:03:40	gaku	noobaroo: that ain't gonna cut it if something in the order of nsswitch handles it first, and ignores localhost in /etc/hosts
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2024-07-29 21:04:09	noobaroo	resolvectl query only shows one IP for localhost, 127.0.0.1
2024-07-29 21:04:36	noobaroo	well thanks anyway, im kind of busy with more important stuff right now, i was just wondering if there was a simple fix
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2024-07-29 21:04:46	gaku	my guess is that it has the ::1 hardcoded somewhere
2024-07-29 21:05:01	gaku	you can go and move the ipv6 nuke from sysctl to whatever networkmanaged you use
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2024-07-29 21:05:20	gaku	just don't accept RouterAdvertisement and keep the DHCPv6 logic disabled, if any
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2024-07-29 21:05:49	gaku	either that or patch the thing itself
2024-07-29 21:05:59	⚡ 	MrElendig has dhcpv6 on his lan, but set up as assisted
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2024-07-29 21:15:41	shalok	Why doesn't `beep` produce any sound?
2024-07-29 21:15:45	shalok	It used to so I know the hardware supports it.
2024-07-29 21:15:48	shalok	I have pcspkr loaded and I'm a member of the group that owns the audio device.
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2024-07-29 21:16:49	shalok	I don't see anything obviously wrong in the kernel log.
2024-07-29 21:16:55	shalok	What else could be the problem?
2024-07-29 21:17:16	pcspkr	shalok: beep
2024-07-29 21:17:21	shalok	`beep` is returning 0, so it thinks its successful.
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2024-07-29 21:30:48	shalok	Per alsamixer the 'Speaker' is unmuted. I don't see any other playback channels related to beeping.
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2024-07-29 21:43:30	crazybit	Is there a sensible way to isolate a process to a specific wireguard network while having the rest of the system be on the network without being connected to wireguard? I'm running NetworkManger. I've read the WG docs, NM docs and even firejail, but it seems like NM is not compatible with namespaces?
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2024-07-29 21:52:48	another|	Netns, cgroups
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2024-07-29 21:56:15	another|	NM integration is subpar though
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2024-07-29 22:02:12	gdamjan	are binary packages with NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules planned for Arch?
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2024-07-29 22:03:49	mefistofeles	gdamjan: yes, those are already in `extra/nvidia-open`
2024-07-29 22:04:11	mefistofeles	have been there for a while
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2024-07-29 22:05:07	gdamjan	ahh, I saw 555.58.02-10 and disregarded them (didn't know they follow the binary driver versioning scheme)
2024-07-29 22:05:14	gdamjan	thanks
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2024-07-29 22:31:03	Catalytic	Hi everyone!  I am running Arch with ZFS 2.2.4.  I turned on bclone / reflink as described in the Wiki.  Cloning appears to be enabled according to zpool get all <pool>.  But whenever I try to cp --reflink=always, I still get an error.  Any thoughts?
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2024-07-29 22:33:23	Namarrgon	Does =auto work?
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2024-07-29 22:38:03	Catalytic	Namarrgon: Yes.
2024-07-29 22:38:18	Namarrgon	What error were you getting wit 'always'?
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2024-07-29 22:39:37	Catalytic	sh-5.2$ echo foo > foo.txt
2024-07-29 22:39:37	Catalytic	sh-5.2$ cp --reflink=always foo.txt foo1.txt
2024-07-29 22:39:38	Catalytic	cp: failed to clone 'foo1.txt' from 'foo.txt': Operation not supported
2024-07-29 22:39:46	Namarrgon	add --debug
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2024-07-29 22:40:03	Catalytic	sh-5.2$ cp --reflink=always --debug foo.txt foo1.txt
2024-07-29 22:40:03	Catalytic	'foo.txt' -> 'foo1.txt'
2024-07-29 22:40:04	Catalytic	cp: failed to clone 'foo1.txt' from 'foo.txt': Operation not supported
2024-07-29 22:40:04	Catalytic	copy offload: unknown, reflink: unsupported, sparse detection: unknown
2024-07-29 22:40:13	Namarrgon	and for =auto?
2024-07-29 22:40:27	Catalytic	sh-5.2$ cp --reflink=auto --debug foo.txt foo1.txt
2024-07-29 22:40:28	Catalytic	'foo.txt' -> 'foo1.txt'
2024-07-29 22:40:28	Catalytic	copy offload: yes, reflink: unsupported, sparse detection: no
2024-07-29 22:40:33	Namarrgon	hm
2024-07-29 22:41:30	Catalytic	sh-5.2$ zpool get all zgupta21 | grep clon
2024-07-29 22:41:30	Catalytic	zgupta21  bcloneused                     451K                           -
2024-07-29 22:41:31	Catalytic	zgupta21  bclonesaved                    457K                           -
2024-07-29 22:41:31	Catalytic	zgupta21  bcloneratio                    2.01x                          -
2024-07-29 22:41:32	Catalytic	zgupta21  feature@block_cloning          active                         local
2024-07-29 22:41:43	Catalytic	zgupta21 is the name of the pool, and I have a dataset for the home directory.
2024-07-29 22:42:01	Catalytic	sh-5.2$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/zfs.conf
2024-07-29 22:42:01	Catalytic	# See https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ZFS#Enabling_bclone_support_(cp_--reflink)
2024-07-29 22:42:02	Catalytic	options zfs_bclone_enabled=1
2024-07-29 22:42:02	phrik	Title: ZFS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-07-29 22:43:24	phrik	Catalytic: curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-07-29 22:43:37	phrik	Catalytic: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-07-29 22:44:13	Catalytic	mingdao: I see, sorry for that :)
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2024-07-29 22:47:25	Catalytic	I ran some commands and pasted the results here, please have a look: https://0x0.st/Xfdz.txt
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2024-07-29 22:47:41	monkfish	does /sys/module/zfs/parameters/zfs_bclone_enabled indicate that it is enabled?
2024-07-29 22:48:33	Catalytic	Hmmm, it's a 0, so it's not enabled!
2024-07-29 22:48:40	Catalytic	How to enable it then?
2024-07-29 22:48:49	monkfish	see if lets you echo 1 to the file.
2024-07-29 22:49:12	monkfish	echo 1 > /sys/module/zfs/parameters/zfs_bclone_enabled
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2024-07-29 22:49:32	Namarrgon	"uname -r"
2024-07-29 22:50:03	Catalytic	Yes, I could echo 1 and now cp --reflink=always works!
2024-07-29 22:50:19	monkfish	might be better off with tempfiles.d then. but perhaps Namarrgon has some other idea.
2024-07-29 22:50:23	Catalytic	uname -r ==> 6.8.9-zen1-1-zen
2024-07-29 22:51:44	Catalytic	Perhaps /etc/modprobe.d/zfs.conf doesn't get copied into the initramfs?  Do I have to add it to mkinitcpio's file list manually?
2024-07-29 22:52:01	monkfish	actually.
2024-07-29 22:52:24	monkfish	zfs.zfs_bclone_enabled=1 should work as a kernel cmdline parameter, in theory.
2024-07-29 22:52:26	Namarrgon	your config is lacking the module name
2024-07-29 22:52:45	Namarrgon	Is there no error in the journal for this?
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2024-07-29 22:53:13	monkfish	it is indeed. duh.
2024-07-29 22:53:47	Catalytic	I see....  It should be 'options zfs zfs_bclone_enabled=1' then?
2024-07-29 22:54:23	monkfish	yes.
2024-07-29 22:55:08	Catalytic	The wiki says 'options zfs_bclone_enabled=1', so that's probably a typo then.
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2024-07-29 22:57:32	Catalytic	Thanks for the help everyone!  I have updated the wiki as well :)
2024-07-29 22:57:33	susi	it does not, at least not anymore
2024-07-29 22:58:02	susi	nice :)
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2024-07-30 12:30:49	xx	jelle: that's bagder not badger
2024-07-30 14:31:02	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-07-30 12:31:25	jelle	xx: your point being?
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2024-07-30 12:31:44	xx	no point I guess
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2024-07-30 16:39:58	mpan	jelle: I mentioned -devops, because as IRC goes, it’s most likely the relevant people will see it there. :)
2024-07-30 16:40:21	mpan	With “relevant people” TBH being you… ;)
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2024-07-30 17:47:34	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-07-30 18:32:42	zhme	heyo
2024-07-30 18:32:45	◥	naomi-lgbt (~naomi-lgb@user/naomi-lgbt) has joined #archlinux
2024-07-30 18:32:51	zhme	I am still working on that network connection issue
2024-07-30 18:33:00	zhme	I was suggested to use netctl, but it doesnt come on live media
2024-07-30 18:33:07	zhme	so I am trying to install with usb
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2024-07-30 18:33:25	zhme	I have netctl and systemd-resolvconf packages on the dead box now, but IDK how to install them
2024-07-30 18:33:36	zhme	offline, I mean
2024-07-30 18:35:07	Scimmia	someone recommened netctl in 2024?
2024-07-30 18:35:08	zhme	I have the zst and the zst.sig files, but am getting errors with pacman -U
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2024-07-30 18:35:36	zhme	Yeah, I have a belkin wifi dongle that wont use iw or iwd
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2024-07-30 18:35:48	Scimmia	netctl won't help
2024-07-30 18:35:56	zhme	wpa_supplicant throws errors and they suggested wifi-menu
2024-07-30 18:36:56	Scimmia	they have no idea what they're talking about wifi-menu uses wpa_supplicant
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2024-07-30 18:37:14	Scimmia	do you have a working driver yet?
2024-07-30 18:37:52	zhme	I have a post on Archlinux forums with all the output in Newbiecorner atm, but the driver on wpa_supplicant appears to work with wext
2024-07-30 18:38:09	zhme	it just hangs on some timer business in EAPOL
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2024-07-30 18:39:06	Scimmia	wait, SETH recommended wifi-menu?!? WTF
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2024-07-30 18:39:24	Scimmia	he knows better than that
2024-07-30 18:39:28	zhme	Idk... I haven't been on Arch for awhile and just want to get this working lol
2024-07-30 18:40:03	zhme	I didn't get a response for almost two days and DM'd a random with many, many posts and it happened to be a mod. I have smooth brain
2024-07-30 18:40:23	bougyman	I don't understand why anyone needs anything other than wpa_cli
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2024-07-30 18:40:35	bougyman	or nmcli, if using Network Mangler.
2024-07-30 18:40:44	zhme	Ive always used wpa_supp and cli but this supplicant wont work properly
2024-07-30 18:40:57	zhme	iwconfig recognizes my home AP, too - so I know it is *working?*
2024-07-30 18:41:12	bougyman	show me the output of wpa_cli list_networks.
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2024-07-30 18:41:19	zhme	one sec
2024-07-30 18:42:20	zhme	Failed to connect to non-global ctrl_ifname: (nil) error: No such file or directory
2024-07-30 18:42:35	bougyman	so wpa_supplicant isn't running?
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2024-07-30 18:42:49	bougyman	or your conf is screwy.
2024-07-30 18:43:01	zhme	whoops, one sec
2024-07-30 18:43:03	zhme	rebooted
2024-07-30 18:43:09	zhme	need to make conf file and set up
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2024-07-30 18:44:53	zhme	same output
2024-07-30 18:45:03	zhme	and no wpa_supplicant hangs
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2024-07-30 18:45:28	zhme	it is stuck at 'EAPOL: disable timer tick' every time I run it
2024-07-30 18:45:53	zhme	"wpa_supplicant -d -iwlan0 -c/conffile -Dwext"
2024-07-30 18:46:21	zhme	then I ^C it away for the rest. Should I run it background and try again?
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2024-07-30 18:51:31	bougyman	I have no idea.
2024-07-30 18:51:41	zhme	yeah this is a real bugger for me
2024-07-30 18:51:50	bougyman	wpa_supplicant -M -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -s
2024-07-30 18:51:55	zhme	I only have a dongle to use, otherwise I need like 50+ feel of ethernet cord
2024-07-30 18:51:59	bougyman	I run wpa_supplicant supervised (under runit) with that.
2024-07-30 18:52:25	zhme	I've always just used wpa_supp and dhcpcd in an alias on startup so nobody can use my computer
2024-07-30 18:52:26	bougyman	And my wpa_supplicant.conf only has ctrl_interface=/run/wpa_supplicant
2024-07-30 18:52:28	bougyman	ctrl_interface_group=wheel
2024-07-30 18:52:30	bougyman	update_config=1
2024-07-30 18:52:46	zhme	same minus the wheel
2024-07-30 18:53:15	zhme	the strangest thing is that iwlist scan shows my AP - iwconfig seems to have successful commands, but it just doesn't want to work
2024-07-30 18:53:30	Namarrgon	Which chipset is that?
2024-07-30 18:53:48	zhme	I believe it's Realtek? I'd have to check the forum post again.. one sec
2024-07-30 18:54:01	Namarrgon	iw/iwd need nl80211 supprt from the driver, they don't support wext
2024-07-30 18:54:22	zhme	Realtek RTL8192SU
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2024-07-30 18:56:27	Namarrgon	What is the model name of the belkin dongle?
2024-07-30 18:56:52	zhme	Belkin 300N F7D2101
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2024-07-30 18:59:22	zhme	when I tried to use 'Dnl80211' it gave me a very quick output that didn't hang
2024-07-30 18:59:39	zhme	nl80211: Driver does not support auth/association or connect commands
2024-07-30 19:00:13	Namarrgon	Can you post the kernel log?
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2024-07-30 19:02:36	zhme	pardon my ignorance, but is there a good command to give concise output for that?
2024-07-30 19:02:45	Namarrgon	'dmesg'
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2024-07-30 19:03:22	zhme	I already have 'dmesg -W' for when I hotplug the dongle, but i'll get the rest
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2024-07-30 19:04:33	zhme	can I trim this down? 'dmesg' output has the looped "reflector" unit output
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2024-07-30 19:05:57	Namarrgon	Why is there reflector stuff in the kernel log?
2024-07-30 19:06:08	Namarrgon	"dmesg |grep -i firmware"
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2024-07-30 19:07:00	zhme	shows nothing
2024-07-30 19:07:34	Namarrgon	Do you have a link to the -W output?
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2024-07-30 19:07:47	zhme	It's in my forum post on Archforums, one sec
2024-07-30 19:09:52	zhme	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=298130
2024-07-30 19:09:53	phrik	Title: Belkin wifi dongle - iwd shows no devices,adapters,etc. / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2024-07-30 19:12:19	zhme	I killed the iwd service to avoid conflicts, can't find reflector in 'systemctl status', so I have no idea what that dmesg output is that is looping... 
2024-07-30 19:12:22	zhme	I am bewildered
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2024-07-30 19:14:12	zhme	Is it possible that timer unit is running in systemd that keeps trying to pull reflector and that it is interfering with connection?
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2024-07-30 19:16:43	zhme	nope, but I just discovered timers - which is useful
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2024-07-30 19:18:27	zhme	okay... wait a minute.
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2024-07-30 19:19:17	zhme	I have the list-units open on systemctl and there are some units that I definitely think are causing problems
2024-07-30 19:20:27	zhme	I don't want to just randomly kill these, but I have relector.service "activating auto-restart" and I have networkd-wait-online.service failed failed"
2024-07-30 19:20:47	zhme	the latter shows up in my wpa_supplicant errors, and the former shows up in my dmesg loop
2024-07-30 19:20:54	zhme	i'll stop the reflector at least..
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2024-07-30 19:22:06	zhme	Is it a good idea to stop the second one?
2024-07-30 19:23:04	◣	shaarad87769 (~shaarad@120.138.122.252) has quit (Client Quit)
2024-07-30 19:23:36	zhme	nvm..
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2024-07-30 19:26:46	Namarrgon	You can stop the reflector unit/timer/whatever on the archiso, it isn't important.
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2024-07-30 19:27:03	zhme	I stopped that one, and the other failed, so I tried to stop it for no reason
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2024-07-30 19:29:16	moaker	I think linux just got pwned by android
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2024-07-30 19:31:38	moaker	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/jWxLN4tB/1000184701.jpg
2024-07-30 19:31:57	moaker	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/SIXeA15n/1000184702.jpg
2024-07-30 19:32:15	Namarrgon	moaker: #archlinux-offtopic is next door
2024-07-30 19:32:29	moaker	Kk ty
2024-07-30 19:34:17	zhme	I was able to run wpa_cli with wpa_supplicant running with errors in the background. With that wpa_cli I was able to find myi AP's SSID successfully
2024-07-30 19:34:33	zhme	I had oodles of errors, and I went through all of the steps to add_network etc.
2024-07-30 19:34:56	zhme	No dice. I tried to cat the config file and it didn't update on save_config
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2024-07-30 19:35:52	zhme	then I got an error message from background process "wlan0: BSS: Remove id 0 BSSID longmac SSID "goofyASCII" due to wpa_bsa_flush_by_age'
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2024-07-30 19:41:19	Edu4rdSHL	zhme, any reason to not use iwd?
2024-07-30 19:41:57	zhme	I've been told that iwd doesn't support wext
2024-07-30 19:42:24	zhme	iwd wasn't showing any output for adapters and devices initially
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2024-07-30 19:50:02	zhme	I need an energy drink... back in 20
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2024-07-30 19:55:54	blscoe	Hi, can I add push-to-talk to any app with pipewire?
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2024-07-30 20:05:17	zhme	so... how do I install a package that I downloaded onto usb ?
2024-07-30 20:05:41	zhme	I have the zst and the zst.sig files, but I can't install them on this live media with -U bc the repo's aren't in there O.o
2024-07-30 20:06:15	zhme	or the keyring
2024-07-30 20:07:29	xecuter	hiho
2024-07-30 20:08:42	xecuter	is there a new unfixxed bug in firefox? if i watch a live stream via youtube, then the video end after 5secs: "Ein Fehler ist aufgetreten. Aktualisiere die Seite oder versuche es später noch einmal. Weitere Informationen"
2024-07-30 20:10:43	xecuter	i wanted take a look, if i start firefox via terminal and check the entries, but there i only get the hint "ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment.", but hmmm nothing more.
2024-07-30 20:11:51	xecuter	additional problems = no
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2024-07-30 21:54:22	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-07-30 21:54:22	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1411 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1411 regular)
2024-07-30 20:14:18	rcf	xecuter: you might try checking the browser console itself (ctrl+shift+k) 
2024-07-30 20:14:30	rcf	But this sounds like it's probably an issue with the website itself. 
2024-07-30 20:25:38	xecuter	rcf, i am not 100% if other website too. i mostly just use yt. but normal videos and shorts working fine.
2024-07-30 20:25:54	xecuter	is: WebGL warning: getParameter: Bad `pname`: 0x9246 <-- a problem?
2024-07-30 20:26:41	xecuter	and how critical is: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/CORS/Errors/CORSDidNotSucceed?utm_source=devtools&utm_medium=firefox-cors-errors&utm_campaign=default 
2024-07-30 20:26:43	phrik	Title: Reason: CORS request did not succeed - HTTP | MDN (at developer.mozilla.org)
2024-07-30 20:28:16	rcf	Those are fine, I get those and it still works 
2024-07-30 20:30:18	xecuter	i have starting firefox --safe-mode, there is the stream works fine. the only output is just "origin-when-cross-origin"...
2024-07-30 20:34:35	xecuter	hm thann i will starting firefox in normal mode and deactivation 1+n of my extensions, if it is working normally
2024-07-30 20:35:48	rcf	The WebGL message might be relevant. But yes, try that. And look through any settings you may have changed in the past 
2024-07-30 20:44:48	xecuter	i have deactivate .... the addons... now as i disable "umatrix" the stream works fine > 2mins
2024-07-30 20:50:46	xecuter	if i let playing the stream, activate umatrix, open new tab and play this stream there too.... after some secs, the stream is aborting, in the first tab, the stream is playing.
2024-07-30 20:52:22	xecuter	i try allowing:  jnn-pa.googleapis.com and refresh tab#2. in tab#1 this is not listed.
2024-07-30 20:55:15	rcf	So YouTube really does not like your umatrix configuration then. At least not for livestreams 
2024-07-30 20:57:35	xecuter	yes, now as i have allowed "pnn-pa.googleapis.com"... until now no probs. now last check, restarting firefox and play it again
2024-07-30 21:00:27	xecuter	hmmm now it is works good :)
2024-07-30 21:01:13	rcf	\o/
2024-07-30 21:02:04	xecuter	:-P
2024-07-30 21:28:23	zhme	what does it mean when my arch media can boot into the menu to load but goes to black screen
2024-07-30 21:28:42	zhme	It allegedly has a radeon gpu, and i've tried nomodeset, amdgpu, etc.
2024-07-30 21:29:33	chikuwasuka	what do you mean by "menu"
2024-07-30 21:30:14	zhme	the menu that loads with arch, memtest, load firmware and whatnot
2024-07-30 21:31:22	zhme	oh holy sh!t, nvm it just took forever and loaded...
2024-07-30 21:31:45	zhme	can someone tell me a command to check my very last kernel settings that I added with e at that menu?
2024-07-30 21:33:01	glitsj16	cat /proc/cmdline
2024-07-30 21:33:30	zhme	nice, ty
2024-07-30 21:33:49	zhme	reboot
2024-07-30 21:33:50	glitsj16	zhme: it might have been running fsck
2024-07-30 21:33:51	zhme	oops
2024-07-30 21:34:17	zhme	oh I see
2024-07-30 21:34:45	zhme	....ffs - this belkin dongle is a menace, I thought maybe that PC was just bad, but the dongle works poorly with any linux it seems
2024-07-30 21:45:02	glitsj16	maybe it needs extra firmware, not sure... you could go over https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration/Wireless#Device_driver and check
2024-07-30 21:45:04	phrik	Title: Network configuration/Wireless - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-30 21:54:22	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-07-30 21:55:42	zhme	well.. wpa_cli appears to be working, does iwd.service conflict with running wpa_supplicant?
2024-07-30 21:56:45	gdamjan	yes
2024-07-30 21:57:15	zhme	What about ModemManager and networkd?
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2024-07-30 22:01:54	Hawson	...you said ModemManager and I immediately thought of getting ppp running on an old dialup.  
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2024-07-30 22:20:07	zhme	I miss the AOL dialup
2024-07-30 22:20:07	gdamjan	zhme: they don't touch the wifi part of the interface
2024-07-30 22:20:14	zhme	okay
2024-07-30 22:20:23	gdamjan	networkd can configure ipv4 on the wifi, but not the rest
2024-07-30 22:20:39	zhme	is disabling it frowned upon?
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2024-07-30 22:22:14	zhme	ffs... I don't know what happened but I disabled iwd.service and now wlan0 disappeard from iw dev and ip link
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2024-07-30 22:23:52	zhme	hey if this PC allegedly has a radeon gpu,  should I use amdgpu or radeon as a kernel option?
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2024-07-30 22:24:35	gaku	zhme: yeah...that's something I personally dislike (and disable) of iwd, by default it manages the interface, taking it down with itself even
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2024-07-30 22:25:08	zhme	how do I disable iwd's management of the interface? 
2024-07-30 22:25:22	zhme	I prefer just using wpa_supplicant and dhcpcd
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2024-07-30 22:27:29	chovy	anyone know why this package won't install? http://pastie.org/p/0h8Ivy99GRFdxiBBuFSEcB
2024-07-30 22:27:30	phrik	Title: Pastie (at pastie.org)
2024-07-30 22:27:43	zhme	what did it do?
2024-07-30 22:28:03	mpan	chovy: when did you -Syu last?
2024-07-30 22:28:34	teraflops	yay does not so -Syu
2024-07-30 22:28:40	teraflops	so/do
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2024-07-30 22:29:09	chovy	few days
2024-07-30 22:29:27	mpan	chovy: time to -Syu then.
2024-07-30 22:29:55	mpan	Your sync database is outdated.
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2024-07-30 22:30:38	gaku	zhme: `man iwd.config`, create a file on /etc/iwd/main.conf, then on a [General] category (INI style), UseDefaultInterface=true (by default it's false)
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2024-07-30 22:30:57	teraflops	also calibre is extra why using yay as it was pacman?
2024-07-30 22:31:26	gaku	you can also symlink 80-iwd.link -> /dev/null on /etc/systemd/network if you want the interface to use the traditional predictable names, rather than wlan$number
2024-07-30 22:31:37	chovy	yay forwards to pacman so i just use yay for everything
2024-07-30 22:31:40	gaku	!w IWD
2024-07-30 22:31:41	phrik	gaku: International Women's Day - Wikipedia - Complementarianism; Literature. Children's literature; Discrimination against transgender women; Diversity (politics) Diversity, equity, and inclusion <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Women%27s_Day>, Individual wheel drive - Wikipedia - Concept (top view): In a vehicle, motors M1 through M4 drive respective wheels independently,
2024-07-30 22:31:41	phrik	possibly through respective gear  (3 more messages)
2024-07-30 22:31:45	gaku	whops
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2024-07-30 22:31:50	gaku	!aw IWD
2024-07-30 22:31:51	phrik	gaku: IWD - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/IWD
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2024-07-30 22:32:39	zhme	ty
2024-07-30 22:32:51	socksinspace	close :D
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2024-07-30 22:33:36	noobaroo	hi, i asked in #kde but seems no luck
2024-07-30 22:34:00	zhme	iwd is close to a woman, demands so much of me and doesn't give me any response when I ask a direct question
2024-07-30 22:34:02	noobaroo	ive been trying out other WMs lately like sway, river, and labwc, and im coming back to KDE Plasma and CPU usage is maxing out 
2024-07-30 22:34:39	noobaroo	journalctl -xe https://0x0.st/XOi0.txt  its spammed about a videofile on a drive that is not even mounted, so the path doesnt even exist
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2024-07-30 22:43:30	noobaroo	please help guys
2024-07-30 22:43:47	zhme	how old is this Arch install?
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2024-07-30 22:44:42	noobaroo	me? just installed 2 months ago, did pacman -Syu like a week ago
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2024-07-30 22:45:44	lutherann	login to a tty and see if you can take it out of plasma's config?
2024-07-30 22:45:45	zhme	From my personal experience (of doing horrible damage to my OS with haphazard installations and removals) I just erase the disk and start fresh....
2024-07-30 22:45:49	zhme	but i'm going to take a look
2024-07-30 22:46:39	zhme	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=277442
2024-07-30 22:46:40	phrik	Title: KDE 5.25: kf.coreaddons: "Could not load plugin from kcm_kscreen / Applications & Desktop Environments / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-07-30 22:46:43	zhme	is this useful?
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2024-07-30 22:47:50	mpan	Soni: there is no API, other than it being executed with the filename?
2024-07-30 22:47:53	mpan	Soni: why do you ask?
2024-07-30 22:49:00	zhme	like a default editor for sudo? or your wm/de?
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2024-07-30 22:49:50	demonicmaniac1	then you just set $EDITOR to the binary name, but just like $BROWSER it's not even any proper standard and just some stuff reading the env var
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2024-07-30 22:51:49	mpan	Soni: typically application just assumed it opens the file with: "$EDITOR" "$filename"
2024-07-30 22:51:56	mpan	*assumes
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2024-07-30 22:52:08	mpan	There is no common convention beyond that.
2024-07-30 22:52:27	mpan	But as demonicmaniac1 said, it’s your application’s decision how it uses $EDITOR. It should document it. 
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2024-07-30 22:58:12	zhme	okay i'm losing patience with this wifi dongle lmao
2024-07-30 22:58:18	zhme	how do I install a package offline?
2024-07-30 22:58:31	zhme	I have .zst and .zst.sig files from pacman -Sw
2024-07-30 22:58:41	Betal	pacman -U
2024-07-30 22:58:54	zhme	still not even on the first step of installation so I can't -U with no repos
2024-07-30 22:59:37	Namarrgon	What are you trying to install
2024-07-30 22:59:39	zhme	...wait, do the zst and sig files need to be in the pkg directory?
2024-07-30 22:59:44	zhme	netctl and resolvconf
2024-07-30 22:59:51	zhme	to use wifi-menui
2024-07-30 22:59:57	zhme	wifi-menu*
2024-07-30 22:59:59	Namarrgon	You don't need either of these. They will not help you.
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2024-07-30 23:00:28	zhme	i'm trying to do what seth advised on the forums, just to narrow down the culprit
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2024-07-30 23:00:35	Namarrgon	wifi-menu is using wpa_supplicant, which you already failed with.
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2024-07-30 23:01:17	zhme	wpa_supp and wpa_cli are like borderline(?) working.. so idk
2024-07-30 23:01:21	Namarrgon	As you please. The two files don't need to be in the cache directory, you can install them from anywhere.
2024-07-30 23:01:40	zhme	they aren't succesful by any means, but they are doing 'something' lol
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2024-07-30 23:02:38	Namarrgon	Get something more modern and tether via phone until then.
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2024-07-30 23:02:53	noobaroo	Namarrgon can you help me? 
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2024-07-30 23:03:19	Namarrgon	noobaroo: try a new user account.
2024-07-30 23:03:33	noobaroo	my systemd log is being spammed about a path to a videofile that doesnt exist anymore
2024-07-30 23:03:43	Namarrgon	Did you disable baloo?
2024-07-30 23:03:50	noobaroo	im using sway with no issues right now
2024-07-30 23:04:00	noobaroo	yes I did disable baloo, is that why?
2024-07-30 23:04:12	Namarrgon	Is it actually disabled?
2024-07-30 23:04:34	noobaroo	i dont know, how can i check? https://0x0.st/XOi0.txt
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2024-07-30 23:04:44	noobaroo	cpu usage is maxed out on plasma
2024-07-30 23:04:58	Namarrgon	Go through .local and remove all the kde garbage you no longer need.
2024-07-30 23:05:11	noobaroo	okay thanks
2024-07-30 23:05:18	Namarrgon	If that doesn't fix the issue start moving the kde configs away until it fixes the problem.
2024-07-30 23:05:25	noobaroo	you are awesome Namarrgon thanks for all you do here
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2024-07-30 23:06:08	noobaroo	yeah, its ironic that in #kde the channel message contains: `Don't delete ~/.kde,~/.kde4,~/.local or ~/.config/` 
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2024-07-30 23:06:09	zhme	Hey bro, I made a suggestion too, albeit not very useful
2024-07-30 23:06:31	noobaroo	Meaning people are needing to delete garbage config files from KDE a lot
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2024-07-30 23:07:26	Namarrgon	Their channels cater to users from many distros and experience levels, "DON'T DELETE RANDOM STUFF" is a good default.
2024-07-30 23:07:54	moabeat	noobaroo: There is obiously also the option to start with an empty session. Seen on: https://discuss.kde.org/t/kde-plasma-shell-tries-to-open-thousands-of-files-on-startup-and-crashes/14577
2024-07-30 23:07:55	phrik	Title: KDE Plasma Shell Tries to open thousands of files on startup and crashes - Help - KDE Discuss (at discuss.kde.org)
2024-07-30 23:08:20	moabeat	The error looks similar to yours.
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2024-07-30 23:10:23	noobaroo	zhme you did? i stopped a dbus service that made me force a restart so i lost chat history
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2024-07-30 23:13:22	zhme	youre good lol, I only suggested a fresh install. I have haphazardly installed and removed many things and ruined my install numerous times.  If you have no important files it doesn't really mean much to wipe it and install again.
2024-07-30 23:13:27	zhme	I like a fresh install sometimes
2024-07-30 23:14:24	zhme	as far as wm/de errors, I usually open a new tty and killall on the process until I can rectify the config problems
2024-07-30 23:14:52	Namarrgon	If a fresh account doesn't have that issue then a reinstall is probably overkill.
2024-07-30 23:15:19	zhme	--- on a side note, does tethering need to be done in a specific way? Should I go for iwctl again?
2024-07-30 23:16:26	Namarrgon	usb-tethering?
2024-07-30 23:16:36	Namarrgon	That usually emulates a wired connection.
2024-07-30 23:16:43	zhme	yeah for my installation - nvm btw tho
2024-07-30 23:17:05	Namarrgon	You don't need iwd/wpa_supplicant for that, you can just run a dhcp client on the "wired" interface
2024-07-30 23:17:08	zhme	I just tried dhcpcd enp#A#A#A (kinda a goofy string) and it just loaded. and pinged successfully to archlinux.org
2024-07-30 23:17:13	zhme	mind is blown.
2024-07-30 23:17:20	zhme	lol
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2024-07-30 23:17:54	zhme	after this install, can you suggest a few packages to preemptively install that may make this dongle work w/o me having to live media repair/install anything?
2024-07-30 23:18:02	zhme	aside from sudo/vim, of course
2024-07-30 23:18:06	zhme	(that should be in base imo)
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2024-07-30 23:21:12	dandels_	Hrm, installing arch on a new laptop and systemd-boot has trouble finding the esp. I wiped the disk label and want a unified esp/boot in /boot, with the rest in an lvm encrypted container with xfs
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2024-07-30 23:22:21	Namarrgon	"finding the esp"?
2024-07-30 23:22:22	dandels_	I'm probably misunderstanding what bootctl wants me to do. Since it's a fresh /boot partition I want it to recreate everything in there
2024-07-30 23:22:36	Namarrgon	Is it mounted?
2024-07-30 23:23:00	dandels_	Yes, I redid the mounts to double check
2024-07-30 23:23:12	dandels_	and also reformatted it as fat32
2024-07-30 23:23:22	Namarrgon	What does it return if you run "bootctl install"?
2024-07-30 23:23:28	dandels_	!paste
2024-07-30 23:23:28	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-07-30 23:24:20	dandels_	https://paste.rs/EzFPt#
2024-07-30 23:24:34	dandels_	give me a secont to get the lsblk
2024-07-30 23:24:40	dandels_	i'm not in irc on that computer
2024-07-30 23:25:00	Namarrgon	Does that partition have the correct partition type set?
2024-07-30 23:25:50	dandels_	lsblk and lsblk -f: https://paste.rs/OFWfv and https://paste.rs/4tH6y
2024-07-30 23:26:06	dandels_	it's enough for it to be FAT32 iirc
2024-07-30 23:26:22	Namarrgon	Is it not set to EF00/EFI System?
2024-07-30 23:26:44	dandels_	No. I don't remember that being something I need to do.
2024-07-30 23:27:06	Namarrgon	The firmware will not detect it either if it has some random type set.
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2024-07-31 02:17:11	glitsj16	but the transmission-cli package contains files that `u transmission 169 "Transmission BitTorrent Daemon" /var/lib/transmission` and `d /var/lib/transmission 0750 transmission transmission` ... so it doesn't look that simple to change the perms/groups
2024-07-31 02:19:52	glitsj16	and the wiki does state that when using the dedicated user sudo is needed for configuration, operation, and access to downloads
2024-07-31 02:20:06	glitsj16	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Transmission#Choosing_a_user
2024-07-31 02:20:08	phrik	Title: Transmission - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-31 02:20:37	glitsj16	I'm not even sure if the override example is correct
2024-07-31 02:24:14	glitsj16	noclaf: my point is that at some point you'd want to play the downloaded torrent content right? and that seems a bit awkward when files are owned by the dedicated transmission user...
2024-07-31 02:25:58	absinthium	Yes, that's the issue at hand.
2024-07-31 02:26:19	absinthium	So does changing the user do nothing as far as the permissions goes?
2024-07-31 02:26:45	zhme	hey my time is not synced.. systemd-timesyncd was supposed to fix it on connection no?
2024-07-31 02:27:53	noclaf	absinthium: you have other options than to change the user. what's the permissions on the download directory?
2024-07-31 02:27:54	glitsj16	absinthium: sure, if you change User= in the service file to your regular user I think your fine
2024-07-31 02:29:26	glitsj16	absinthium: but I wonder if you need an empty User= line before User=absinthium in such an override
2024-07-31 02:30:01	glitsj16	not sure though, what have you tried?
2024-07-31 02:31:32	absinthium	noclaf: 755, but ~/.config/transmission also needs to be accessed since that's where my config is located. I tried allowing permissions to that directory alone, but transmission wasn
2024-07-31 02:31:54	absinthium	wasn't able to access the config unless I allowed permissions to the parent directories which I don't feel comfortable doing.
2024-07-31 02:32:05	noclaf	~/.config/transmission as in your human user's $HOME?
2024-07-31 02:32:23	absinthium	Correct.
2024-07-31 02:32:36	noclaf	...why wouldn't it be under /var/lib/transmission/.config/transmission ?
2024-07-31 02:32:45	noclaf	or somewhere that's actually readable by transmission
2024-07-31 02:33:08	noclaf	sorry, i'm not entirely familiar with transmission, but your setup sounds like a weird mix of things
2024-07-31 02:34:07	absinthium	It is normally, but I want to be able to edit it without having to sudo and store it with the rest of my custom configurations (i.e. ~/.config).
2024-07-31 02:34:58	absinthium	Because I run scheduled backups on my home directory which makes having my configurations (mostly) in ~/.config much easier to manage.
2024-07-31 02:35:50	glitsj16	If running Transmission under your own username, the configuration file will be located at ~/.config/transmission-daemon/settings.json. (again, this is info from the wiki)
2024-07-31 02:36:40	glitsj16	absinthium: so not ~/.config/transmission
2024-07-31 02:39:24	noclaf	last stupid idea, because i'm running out of them -- can you bind mount the file from your $HOME into transmission's filesystem view in the systemd unit?
2024-07-31 02:40:27	noclaf	i'm not sure system actually has the ability to have a destination that differs from the source for the various Bind* options...
2024-07-31 02:40:30	noclaf	systemd*
2024-07-31 02:41:53	absinthium	Would it break everything to create a service file in /home/absinthium/.config/systemd/user?
2024-07-31 02:44:07	noclaf	running it under your user daemon sounds marginally better than running it as a human user via the system daemon, but i'd still be hesistant
2024-07-31 02:48:43	glitsj16	yeah, sounds like a decision needs to be made between security and convenience... now I wonder if adding your user to the transmission group could be a workaround for having to use sudo to get to your torrents
2024-07-31 02:50:19	absinthium	Editing the User=transmission seems to have set everything the way I need it to be. As far as security goes, what are the implications of running as a human user under system daemon?
2024-07-31 02:50:41	absinthium	User=absinthium *
2024-07-31 02:53:18	glitsj16	I don't see ProtectHome in the service file, so I guess the daemon can still access your $HOME without restrictions
2024-07-31 02:54:09	glitsj16	difficult choice
2024-07-31 02:56:05	absinthium	In my case, it could not and I have not explicity changed the permissions of my home directory nor what transmission had access to (except for when I did try giving it permission to ~/Downloads and ~/.config/transmission-daemon/ --- which I reverted).
2024-07-31 02:57:52	glitsj16	absinthium: well that's a plus
2024-07-31 03:11:49	shalok	Is there any way to create host-specific polkit actions e.g. somewhere under /etc?
2024-07-31 03:31:20	shalok	Strangely it's possible to define local rules in /etc/polkit-1/rules.d but there's no corresponding /etc/polkit-1/actions.d for defining local actions.
2024-07-31 03:31:26	shalok	I guess sudo ftw...
2024-07-31 03:48:33	Dworin	Is there anything potentially privacy sensitive if I do journalctl -b -1 > log ? If so, is there a flag to add to replace stuff with ***?
2024-07-31 03:49:31	mpan	Dworin: yes. No.
2024-07-31 03:50:23	Dworin	mpan: then how to share my log safely??
2024-07-31 03:50:33	espresso	one should still be able to chain unixy tools to filter, etc..
2024-07-31 03:50:59	mpan	If you believe it contains something sensitive, skim over it and censor the parts you don’t want to show. Be clear what is censored. Note that usually nothing has to be.
2024-07-31 03:51:15	espresso	yeah, that
2024-07-31 03:51:22	Dworin	ah, ok. Thought there might be password info etc.
2024-07-31 03:51:46	mpan	No sane software will leak cryptographic secrets to the log. If it does, it would be a serious bug.
2024-07-31 03:51:56	glitsj16	shalok: Interesting question. Obviously it's easy to create files in /etc/polkit-1/actions.d with sudo, but do they get registered by polkit at all if you do?
2024-07-31 03:52:35	mpan	But things like usernames, addresses, domain names, organization etc. may be in the log. On servers also access logs, possibly also email addresses.
2024-07-31 03:53:37	Dworin	Thanks. So, I found my pc unresponsive this morning. log has tons and tons of broken pipe errors for pipewire and then tons of memory pressure warnings. In case there's a problem with my setup, I uploaded the log here: https://0x0.st/XO8o.txt
2024-07-31 03:54:05	Dworin	yeah, you'll know my machine name now. No big deal
2024-07-31 03:57:45	mpan	There is no sign of OOM killer, so you didn’t run out of memory. Whatever it was, probably cleaned up after itself. Does the issue repeat?
2024-07-31 03:59:46	Dworin	not yet and it didn't exactly clean up since the system was unresponsive. But if there's no clear signs I'll wait it out first, thanks.
2024-07-31 04:01:03	mpan	It might have been temporarily unresponsive due to heavy I/O.
2024-07-31 04:01:19	mpan	For the record, there is clean shutdown.
2024-07-31 04:02:51	mpan	If that doesn’t repeat, I wouldn’t be worried.
2024-07-31 04:03:40	Dworin	the clean shutdown was me doing the magic key things. So at least no kernel panic
2024-07-31 04:04:31	mpan	If it does repeat, it would be best to catch the culprit redhanded. Becuase the log isn’t pointing to any suspect (but let other eyes look at it too). pipewire is breaking, but it may be the result, not the cause.
2024-07-31 04:05:26	heat	do you have an oomd active? systemd-oomd?
2024-07-31 04:05:44	heat	i don't know if those write to the logs, but it would explain the broken pipes
2024-07-31 04:07:58	Dworin	systemd-oomd services are disabled
2024-07-31 04:18:48	mpan	Dworin: one correction regarding private info in logs: stacktraces may appear in the log. They may include vluaes of the CPU registers. Those hypothetically may contain parts of private information. Practical risk is marginal, though.
2024-07-31 04:19:19	Dworin	thanks mpan.
2024-07-31 04:19:34	mpan	The practical risk is e.g. that cron script reporting some URL. :)
2024-07-31 04:21:10	Dworin	ah, my favourite radio station. Busted
2024-07-31 04:24:50	erbertrich	Hi everyone! How do I request/candidate to be the maintainer of an AUR package ? (the package already exist but is 'abandoned' by the current maintainer)
2024-07-31 04:25:34	mpan	:)
2024-07-31 04:25:48	mpan	erbertrich: hello. Did you try to contact the current maintainer first?
2024-07-31 04:26:36	⚡ 	espresso autoredacts while reading. In practice, this has always been possible, but in theory there could be some massive 'cannot unsee' :)
2024-07-31 04:27:10	erbertrich	mpan: noNot yet. But let's assume that he doesn't respond or that he responds by giving up on keeping the package, what is done in that case?
2024-07-31 04:29:13	mpan	erbertrich: if there is no answer from the current maintainer for 2 weeks, file an orphan request. It’s under “Submit Request” link for the given package.
2024-07-31 04:30:45	mpan	erbertrich: after the package is orphaned, you can adopt it (there will be a link for that available).
2024-07-31 04:34:09	erbertrich	mpan: thank you for the information. Where the link for 'adoption' appears?
2024-07-31 04:35:01	mpan	erbertrich: where “Submit Request” is.
2024-07-31 04:39:04	erbertrich	mpan: thanks
2024-07-31 04:40:45	mpan	All those operations require an AUR account, of course, but I assume you have one if you want to maintain the package. :)
2024-07-31 04:42:11	erbertrich	mpan: yes I have :)
2024-07-31 04:54:38	erbertrich	mpan: ...and if the maintainer has his email address hidden, how do I contact he?
2024-07-31 05:06:34	mpan	erbertrich: it is in the PKGBUILD.
2024-07-31 05:06:42	mpan	(at the top)
2024-07-31 05:10:23	mpan	erbertrich: if you still can’t find the address, just post a request in comments. Or ask for advice in #archlinux-aur.
2024-07-31 05:12:58	rcf	erbertrich: leaving a comment will email them as well 
2024-07-31 05:20:04	erbertrich	mpan: found in the PKGBUILD! thanks again. I've already posted a comment in the package's page some weeks ago, but the maintainer don't answered. Now I will try via email.
2024-07-31 05:20:24	erbertrich	rcf: ok!
2024-07-31 05:21:19	mpan	Oh, if you already requested it over comments, I believe it’s ok to just go straight to an orphan request. But of course you may still try over email.
2024-07-31 05:23:25	mpan	Not responding in comments indicates pretty reliably the person isn’t actively involved in maintaining. Assuming the comment wasn’t somehow unworthy of responding (e.g. being offensive, entitled in tone, not appropiate etc. — AUR seen a few such events in past year).
2024-07-31 05:27:28	erbertrich	good to know.
2024-07-31 05:31:59	phrik	Title: Twitch (at www.twitch.tv)
2024-07-31 05:34:35	lmat	I'm using pipewire to make a link: pw-link 'VLC media player (LibVLC 3.0.21):output_FR' alsa_output.usb-0d8c_USB_Sound_Device-00.analog-surround-51:playback_FC;  Running this command makes the link very fast (as far as I can tell in qpwgraph), but the command hangs.
2024-07-31 05:34:58	lmat	If I do ^c, the command exits and the link persists, but why do I have to send a signal to the command to get it to return?
2024-07-31 05:35:52	erbertrich	@mpan, @rcf, I'm leaving. Thanks for the nice conversation. Bye.
2024-07-31 05:46:50	iurirs	Hi, Iâ'm having a problemconnecting with Wi-Fi. I can connect with wpa_supplicant version 2:2.10-8, but I can't with versions 2:2.11-1 and 2:2.11-2.
2024-07-31 05:47:04	iurirs	What channel should I use to report this?
2024-07-31 05:54:10	espresso	iurirs: Hi! This channel can often help with problems. Official places to report would be the gitlab https://gitlab.archlinux.org/explore/projects in question, or sometimes forum if unsure
2024-07-31 05:54:12	phrik	Title: Explore projects · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-07-31 05:56:33	noobaroo	iurirs you are connecting directly with wpa_supplicant? i dont think many people use that directly
2024-07-31 05:56:55	noobaroo	have you tried with iwd or networkmanager? 
2024-07-31 05:57:52	iurirs	Thank you, I will check out once I figure out how to login to gitlab
2024-07-31 05:58:12	noobaroo	hi espresso, if you have some time, could you shed some light on my problem? Ive been trying out other WMs this past week, using sway, river, and labwc, and now when I go back to KDE Plasma my clipboard is half-functional
2024-07-31 05:59:19	iurirs	noobaroo I'm not connecting directly via wpa_supplicant, it's the dependency that makes my Wi-Fi not work when I upgrade the package (downgrading it makes it work again)
2024-07-31 06:01:50	noobaroo	thats very weird. I wouldn't expect an issue with wpa_supplicant to only be observed by 1 person. it's the kernel and linux-firmware package that handle drivers
2024-07-31 06:02:15	Scimmia	There's a forum thread about it
2024-07-31 06:02:19	espresso	noobaroo: hi noobaroo! so that would be 'klipper' I guess? Hm.. I have trouble thinking of what might conflict..
2024-07-31 06:04:07	noobaroo	espresso yeah, i guess. There's a package `klipper` which I never used, and after having these problems I did try to install it, but I couldn't figure out where the binary got installed. the package installed a bunch of python scripts to /opt
2024-07-31 06:04:41	noobaroo	I think plasma comes built in with klipper so I think it is klipper, its just not the Arch package `klipper`
2024-07-31 06:04:42	espresso	noobaroo: oh, i was thinking klipper was kde, and pulled in by plasma.
2024-07-31 06:04:46	espresso	ah
2024-07-31 06:05:41	noobaroo	yeah, well anyway, nothing saves in the clipboard. but if i right click and clear history, then the next thing I copy will save and then thats it
2024-07-31 06:06:45	Scimmia	iurirs: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=298025
2024-07-31 06:06:46	phrik	Title: WiFi fails to connect after wpa_supplicant update / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-07-31 06:06:46	espresso	noobaroo: anything in clipboard configuration that might affect it?
2024-07-31 06:07:51	noobaroo	Well to get a sway clipboard manager I did install wl-clipboard and clipman. But I checked and neither were running. I uninstalled them both and rebooted and still same thing
2024-07-31 06:07:51	espresso	noobaroo: I guess that is not expected behavior anyway.. Possibly there could be a report on klipper at https://bugs.kde.org
2024-07-31 06:07:51	phrik	Title: KDE Bugtracking System Main Page (at bugs.kde.org)
2024-07-31 06:08:13	noobaroo	yeah good idea
2024-07-31 06:08:48	noobaroo	well anyway, just wanted to check and see if you had any ideas offhand 
2024-07-31 06:09:07	iurirs	Scimmia thanks!
2024-07-31 06:13:26	espresso	noobaroo: then there is the usual test of moving relevant config files in .local and/or .config (or test with a different user), which might be annoying but perhaps less than alternatives :)
2024-07-31 06:19:34	Murray7501	just something that is bothering me still maybe cause noone has reported it : conky -q -d started from .xprofile always segfault when I log in via lxdm I can then start it fine from a terminal without segfaults anyone else have this problem ?
2024-07-31 06:20:06	Murray7501	oh and I use fluxbox
2024-07-31 06:25:42	noobaroo	espresso i deleted a bunch of kde-related config files already, no luck, and all my fonts and stuff are reset, pretty annoying
2024-07-31 06:26:19	noobaroo	I assume it would work with a different user. But that doesn't really help me fix mine, unless i just switch to a new user
2024-07-31 06:29:00	noobaroo	Murray7501 Um, just a comment here, not really a solution. I've never even heard of .xprofile. If i have, then it was probably like 10 years ago and I never personally used it. Does fluxbox not have its own autostart capability? Lots of WMs will start all desktop entries inside of ~/.config/autostart
2024-07-31 06:29:11	espresso	noobaroo: Hm.. if true, I guess that would imply something weird in $HOME, which is I hope at least some help in troubleshooting
2024-07-31 06:29:36	espresso	perhaps removing the widget and re-adding could fix some cache issue?
2024-07-31 06:30:27	noobaroo	espresso, im like 99% certain its a $HOME problem, but i guess it doesnt hurt to get that up to 100% 
2024-07-31 06:31:11	noobaroo	can I start a plasma-wayland session for another user on tty2 without quitting my sway session?
2024-07-31 06:31:21	noobaroo	i think i can
2024-07-31 06:38:31	espresso	noobaroo: I think basically all traces of a temporary user can be erased. [.profile] export QML_DISABLE_DISK_CACHE=1  might help if it's some QML cache issue. Not sure it would be a klipper config (seems too simple?). Maybe compile klipper yourself from AUR? Otherwise my usual approach would probably systematically move out configs..
2024-07-31 06:39:39	espresso	..if I didn't find a matching bug report of course
2024-07-31 06:42:13	noobaroo	ill brb
2024-07-31 06:58:07	noobaroo	espresso i found out the problem, if not for you, i probably wouldnt have figured it out for another few days
2024-07-31 06:58:38	espresso	noobaroo: oh, what was it?
2024-07-31 06:59:15	noobaroo	it was not in $HOME after all, it was env variable QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland-egl in /etc/environment. was able to reproduce and break the plasma clipboard over and over again lol.
2024-07-31 06:59:45	espresso	noobaroo: 'grats!  oh wow.. that could have taken me days too :)
2024-07-31 07:00:19	noobaroo	And you know, I thought i remembered having lots of problems with wayland-egl like 2 years ago, and people in #kde told me that wayland is the same thing as wayland-egl and not to use wayland-egl 
2024-07-31 07:00:41	noobaroo	But the sway wiki recommended wayland-egl, so i thought maybe things are different after 2 years
2024-07-31 07:02:11	noobaroo	i was so sure it was in $HOME somewhere
2024-07-31 07:03:04	espresso	good intuition; it could have been in user profile file
2024-07-31 07:06:03	noobaroo	espresso do you use plasma? im curious if you set the variable if it breaks your clipboard too
2024-07-31 07:11:11	espresso	noobaroo: I was using Plasma for years, but last month went with Sway. I would not be surprised if that's the diagnosis..
2024-07-31 07:18:23	noobaroo	espresso you know about the sway scratchpad right? i just found out about it yesterday and wish someone had told me about it sooner
2024-07-31 07:18:35	noobaroo	its sway's version of minimizing windows
2024-07-31 07:18:39	noobaroo	ill brb
2024-07-31 07:28:38	bougyman	holy hell this frame.work 16" is pulling 128W
2024-07-31 07:28:42	bougyman	<3 frame.work
2024-07-31 07:28:58	bougyman	got down to 18% battery but it's rising at a ridiculous rate.
2024-07-31 07:33:03	espresso	noobaroo: ah, yes, Sway scratchpad is handy, and I like the overall workflow if still getting used to some things
2024-07-31 07:44:44	noobaroo	the archwiki KDE page links https://community.kde.org/Distributions/Packaging_Recommendations and it recommends decreasing systemd timeout, but it doesnt explain how
2024-07-31 07:44:46	phrik	Title: Distributions/Packaging Recommendations - KDE Community Wiki (at community.kde.org)
2024-07-31 07:45:00	noobaroo	and i tried and all my settings are ignored
2024-07-31 07:46:53	noobaroo	has anyone done this successfully? i agree with kde.org, 2 minutes is way too long, and in my experience when this timeout thing does happen, I remember distinctly after it reached 2 minutes it just increased the timer to 4 minutes (or something else, might not have been 4)
2024-07-31 07:48:25	noobaroo	 i set TimeoutStopSec=5s DefaultTimeoutStopSec=5s in /etc/systemd/system.conf but my settings are ignored
2024-07-31 08:03:30	glitsj16	noobaroo: the proper way is using drop-in files (for both system.conf and user.conf)
2024-07-31 08:05:12	glitsj16	noobaroo: and you probably also want DefaultDeviceTimeoutSec
2024-07-31 08:05:13	espresso	noobaroo: you might also add DefaultTimeoutStopSec to /etc/systemd/user.conf.d/early-timeout.conf (if you want untouched user.conf)
2024-07-31 08:08:59	glitsj16	5s might be cutting it thin, there's https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/77186 for example suggesting 15s ... do some trial runs perhaps
2024-07-31 08:09:00	phrik	Title: FS#77186 : [systemd] Reduce default systemd service timeout to 15s (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2024-07-31 08:14:08	noobaroo	glitsj16 I also think 5 seconds is quite short, but kde.org recommends 5 seconds __or less__  LOL
2024-07-31 08:15:08	glitsj16	now I remember why I don't use KDE ;)
2024-07-31 08:15:38	glitsj16	but it could work, yolo
2024-07-31 08:16:02	noobaroo	I hope not Gnome? They are basically the reason we have this problem in the first place
2024-07-31 08:16:04	espresso	I remember adding one or more of those, at 30s at least, but then I think whatever stopped hanging
2024-07-31 08:21:16	glitsj16	noobaroo: no, I couldn't deal with gnome-shell extensions breaking every 6 months, so I assembled some DE pieces left & right instead
2024-07-31 08:23:31	noobaroo	glitsj16 but im confused, DefaultDeviceTimeoutSec seems kind of unrelated and I already have DefaultTimeoutStopSec
2024-07-31 08:24:00	noobaroo	do i need it in /etc/systemd/user.conf.d/early-timeout.conf even though i already have it in /etc/systemd/system.conf ?
2024-07-31 08:24:42	espresso	noobaroo: ..or maybe I used 20s, but anyway. No, you don't; that was just an example drop-in filename I might have used
2024-07-31 08:24:44	glitsj16	noobaroo: well, you'd want those shorter timeouts for both user and system services I guess
2024-07-31 08:25:18	glitsj16	and if you never saw timeouts with devices, you can leave that one out
2024-07-31 08:25:34	espresso	+1
2024-07-31 08:28:13	noobaroo	i forgot exactly how i created this, the path name seems kind of weird, i dont think i created it 100% manually, but i made /etc/systemd/system/user@1000.service.d/override.conf containing `[Unit]\nTimeoutStopSec=5s`
2024-07-31 08:28:29	noobaroo	in addition to the settings in /etc/systemd/system.conf i already said
2024-07-31 08:30:05	noobaroo	And stop job for user@1000 or whatever still happened when i shutdown after failing to kill a pv pipe that was directly to /dev/sdc 
2024-07-31 08:30:21	noobaroo	the pv command got stuck and couldnt be killed 
2024-07-31 08:30:32	noobaroo	so i shut down and all my timeout settings are ignored
2024-07-31 08:33:26	noobaroo	Oh maybe that is DefaultDeviceTimeoutSec !!
2024-07-31 08:33:52	glitsj16	place your override for /etc/systemd/user.conf under /etc/systemd/user.conf.d/
2024-07-31 08:33:58	noobaroo	espresso is that why my settings are ignored? DefaultDeviceTimeoutSec wasnt set?
2024-07-31 08:34:12	glitsj16	did you reload the systemd daemon after changing the timeouts?
2024-07-31 08:34:47	glitsj16	I think you need to do that for systemd to pick up the new values
2024-07-31 08:34:59	noobaroo	i dont have a /etc/systemd/user.conf
2024-07-31 08:35:38	noobaroo	And i didnt, but it was several boot cycles later that i noticed my settings were ignored
2024-07-31 08:35:43	glitsj16	huh? that's very odd
2024-07-31 08:35:55	noobaroo	Im pretty sure rebooting is the same thing as daemon-reload
2024-07-31 08:36:05	glitsj16	i mean not having /etc/systemd/user.conf
2024-07-31 08:36:20	noobaroo	Oh nevermind I do
2024-07-31 08:36:25	glitsj16	noobaroo: yes, a reboot would have the same effect
2024-07-31 08:37:04	glitsj16	ah :) no worries
2024-07-31 08:37:08	noobaroo	In my google searches i only saw people suggesting changing the values in /etc/systemd/system.conf 
2024-07-31 08:37:16	espresso	not sure about the /etc/systemd/system/user@1000.service.d/override.conf ..
2024-07-31 08:37:20	noobaroo	I didnt know there was a /etc/systemd/user.conf ? 
2024-07-31 08:37:41	noobaroo	I need these values in both?
2024-07-31 08:37:50	glitsj16	systemd is very much a split deal, user and system
2024-07-31 08:38:30	noobaroo	espresso yeah, its specifically for the `stop job is running for user@1000.slice` thing. Only that 1 stop job 
2024-07-31 08:38:31	espresso	noobaroo: wiki page mentioned it, if I could find reference
2024-07-31 08:38:43	espresso	noobaroo: ah, ok
2024-07-31 08:39:28	noobaroo	This stuff is making me want to switch back to Void
2024-07-31 08:40:11	noobaroo	but Linux is already 1% of the desktop userbase and then Ubuntu is like over 50% of that and then Void is probably like 0.00001%
2024-07-31 08:40:22	espresso	I gathered you could put the same timeout setting there too for user-processes? A drop-in for /etc/systemd/user.conf would be /etc/systemd/user.conf.d/whatever.conf
2024-07-31 08:40:32	noobaroo	but I guess most of the software is exactly the same upstream
2024-07-31 08:40:40	espresso	*could
2024-07-31 08:40:54	glitsj16	correct
2024-07-31 08:42:01	noobaroo	thanks, hopefully it works
2024-07-31 08:42:15	glitsj16	placing it there affects all user services, instead of only user@1000, try undoing that one
2024-07-31 08:42:15	noobaroo	I would hate to have to set a timeout override for every service individually
2024-07-31 08:42:17	espresso	v1del suggested in forum that Aurorae theme engine for Plasma can hang shutdown.. dunno what else..
2024-07-31 08:42:38	noobaroo	I dont use that, AFAIK
2024-07-31 08:42:59	noobaroo	is v1del on IRC? i remember seeing her name in the forum a lot
2024-07-31 08:43:27	espresso	I suppose those settings are global, but could be overridden if a specific service sets its own timeout?
2024-07-31 08:44:23	espresso	*the 'default' timeout ones could be overridden
2024-07-31 08:44:32	glitsj16	yes indeed
2024-07-31 09:44:41	sakutonosai	Hey anyone here particularly articulate with Paru online right now?
2024-07-31 09:45:02	sakutonosai	I gots questions
2024-07-31 09:45:33	espresso	sakutonosai: an intermediate? what is up?
2024-07-31 09:49:13	espresso	#paru has a few users, and most of what I know of paru is from pacman, with addition of configuration and some particulars
2024-07-31 09:54:02	sakutonosai	Well, that might work actually. I have a self made obstacle to cross. So for reasons we don't need to get into I've moved the collective bits of my retroarch to a shared directory on this machine; In doing so I have been moving my libretro cores from the installation point to the retroarch directories I set up by hand. Only a couple times, but I see two solutions. Either get Paru/Pacman to
2024-07-31 09:54:02	sakutonosai	install the packages to this directory (which I assume i
2024-07-31 09:55:10	sakutonosai	s possible) or write a script.
2024-07-31 09:55:47	sakutonosai	Suggestions? I'll leave the chat up
2024-07-31 09:58:36	BrainDamage	sharing the cores is not a great solution
2024-07-31 09:59:09	BrainDamage	roms, savestates, saves, etc is fine
2024-07-31 10:37:02	onla	suddenly connecting with sftp I get bad key types ... 1 bad configuration options
2024-07-31 10:37:37	onla	or not suddennly.. been some updates before  I previsouly used sftp
2024-07-31 10:37:59	jelle	still using DSA keys?
2024-07-31 10:39:31	onla	HostKeyAlgorithms ssh-ed25519,ssh-ed25519-cert-v01@openssh.com,ssh-rsa,ssh-dss,ecdsa-sha2-nistp256,ecdsa-sha2-nistp384,ecdsa-sha2-nistp521,ssh-rsa-cert-v01@openssh.com,ssh-dss-cert-v01@openssh.com,ecdsa-sha2-nistp256-cert-v01@openssh.com,ecdsa-sha2-nistp384-cert-v01@openssh.com,ecdsa-sha2-nistp521-cert-v01@openssh.com
2024-07-31 10:39:50	jelle	well what is the error? :)
2024-07-31 10:39:56	jelle	or does normal ssh work?
2024-07-31 10:40:26	onla	bad key types and then it lists all these
2024-07-31 10:41:04	gromit	onla: which key does the server offer? As jelle hinted DSA support got disabled by default by openssh upstream
2024-07-31 10:42:28	onla	let me find a pastebin site
2024-07-31 10:42:35	jelle	!paste
2024-07-31 10:42:35	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-07-31 10:43:14	onla	https://paste.rs/u4LvT.txt
2024-07-31 10:43:15	phrik	Title: Source Code | u4LvT | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-07-31 10:43:56	onla	there are 'dsa' in some of the, particularly 'ecdsa'. Should I remove them?
2024-07-31 10:44:17	onla	that is the output when I enter `ssh user@domain.com`
2024-07-31 10:44:32	onla	i mean `sftp user@domain`
2024-07-31 10:45:54	jelle	onla: oooo this is in your .ssh/config
2024-07-31 10:47:29	onla	yeah, contents of .ssh/config https://paste.rs/4XEDH.txt
2024-07-31 10:47:31	phrik	Title: Source Code | 4XEDH | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-07-31 10:47:32	jelle	onla: does ssh -vv help?
2024-07-31 10:49:52	onla	I don't have an ssh access to the server but `sftp -vv user@domain` gives 2 new lines to the output. debug1: Reading configuration data /home/onla/.ssh/config  and  debug1: /home/onla/.ssh/config line 3: Applying options for *   ..before the `terminating, ` line
2024-07-31 10:50:43	jelle	I can't see anything wrong with those host keys :(
2024-07-31 10:51:16	onla	I removed everything except the first 2 from .ssh/config and now it allows me to connect
2024-07-31 10:51:44	onla	so I guess one that is after those two has a problem. I guess I could try find it one by one
2024-07-31 10:52:02	onla	thanks for helping
2024-07-31 10:55:34	obb	Does anyone else have problems with sound after the recent kernel updates? Whenever I plug my headphones in, ALSA seems to mute a channel and set the volume to zero. I have to manually unmute the channel every time. Any ideas how I can fix this?
2024-07-31 11:13:16	onla	Yeah removing ssh-dss and ssh-dss-cert-v01@openssh.com from ~/.ssh/config's HostKeyAlgorithms fixed the problem. I guess dss has something to do with the removed DSA support. Just one letter difference 
2024-07-31 11:36:59	intelfx	onla: not something, everything — that's exactly how the DSA algorithm is (was) known in ssh
2024-07-31 11:48:19	sakutonosai	BrainDamage: I appreciate your advice, but that is not what I'm asking, on  my setup retroarch is running just fine; it's the extra foot work of moving file. I'm asking about the function of Package installation; is there a way to inform an installer of a specified destination directory? If not, that is cool.
2024-07-31 11:49:26	BrainDamage	you can tell pacman to use a different root, but that's the extent of it
2024-07-31 11:49:43	BrainDamage	you could bind mount the dir to another path to make it show elsewhere
2024-07-31 11:50:00	BrainDamage	but there's so many gotchas that makes me question the wisdom in your idea
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2024-07-31 12:12:21	rcf	hmm
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2024-07-31 13:06:25	PMunch	So, I'm trying to get hybrid graphics working on this Thinkpad laptop
2024-07-31 13:08:06	PMunch	Everything runs fine if I have the BIOS set to discrete graphics, but once I disconnect from power it's draining battery like crazy. So I want to set the BIOS to hybrid graphics and then have the laptop either A - switch to on-board graphics when on battery, or B - run the internal display with on-board graphics and external screens on the discrete GPU.
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2024-07-31 13:09:13	PMunch	But hybrid graphics doesn't seem to work all that well. When I run startx it shows my two external monitors, but the built-in monitor just shows the TTY (not sure if it's updating or just a static image), and whenever I shut the machine down I get a kernel panic.
2024-07-31 13:09:32	PMunch	I'm running the proprietary Nvidia drivers by the way
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2024-07-31 13:10:08	PMunch	Here's lspci: https://pasty.ee/UTKHPlTf
2024-07-31 13:10:20	PMunch	Anyone knows what I'm missing?
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2024-07-31 13:15:58	Tom^	PMunch: got an xorg.conf setup for nvidia if so probably need to remove that when you now are running on the igpu
2024-07-31 13:16:54	PMunch	Hmm, so just move it somewhere it won't load?
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2024-07-31 13:18:13	PMunch	Okay, I'll give the machine a reboot and see where this gets me
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2024-07-31 13:25:14	PMunch	That seems to have helped indeed!
2024-07-31 13:25:32	PMunch	Now all three screens are shown by xrandr and I'm able to configure them all
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2024-07-31 13:27:00	PMunch	For some reason though HexChat now has some really messed up text rendering, but only in the main window..
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2024-07-31 13:28:27	Tom^	PMunch: what wm/de do you use?
2024-07-31 13:28:45	PMunch	i3
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2024-07-31 13:28:51	Tom^	if kwin you might aswell use wayland, makes dual gpus less of an hazzle imo
2024-07-31 13:28:53	Tom^	oh well
2024-07-31 13:29:25	PMunch	HexChat seems to be the only program which misbehaves so far though
2024-07-31 13:29:33	PMunch	And I guess it's technically EoL
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2024-07-31 13:44:55	PMunch	Lost internet for a short second there. So yeah the discrete GPU is still drawing power and draining battery life
2024-07-31 13:45:42	PMunch	glxinfo says its using the intel driver unless I run it with `prime-run`, so not sure why the graphics card is running..
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2024-07-31 13:46:59	PMunch	GPU utilization in the `nvidia-settings` program also shows about 20%
2024-07-31 13:47:00	jelle	because optimus is a trainwreck
2024-07-31 13:47:24	PMunch	So 20% of this 3050Ti is super busy doing *something*
2024-07-31 13:47:47	jelle	if nvtop works with nvidia, try it
2024-07-31 13:48:07	teraflops	it does work
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2024-07-31 13:49:16	PMunch	Right, so according to nvtop /usr/lib/Xorg seems to be the culprit
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2024-07-31 13:50:06	PMunch	Or wait
2024-07-31 13:50:21	PMunch	There are two graphs, one for the internal and one for the external GPU I'm guessing?
2024-07-31 13:50:26	PMunch	One is just flat though
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2024-07-31 13:51:33	smp	hi! i've upgrade my kernel from 6.9.8.arch1-1 to 6.10.arch1-2. Now my sound is completly overdriven and distorted, even on 1%. I am using a firewire interface, an RME 800 with FFADO. Does anyone else have recently problems with his sound on kernel 6.10? I've downgraded my kernel back to 6.9.8 for the meantime.
2024-07-31 13:51:37	PMunch	Interesting, so just running glxgears in my terminal has the second graph doing something
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2024-07-31 13:51:59	PMunch	While `prime-run glxgears` has the first graph doing things
2024-07-31 13:52:04	teraflops	2 graphs and down you see processes attached to each gpu (1 or 2)
2024-07-31 13:52:20	PMunch	So apparently everything is running on the integrated GPU unless I run it from my terminal?
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2024-07-31 13:53:56	gromit	smp: yes there has been a recent report 
2024-07-31 13:54:09	gromit	https://lore.kernel.org/all/rrufondjeynlkx2lniot26ablsltnynfaq2gnqvbiso7ds32il@qk4r6xps7jh2/
2024-07-31 13:54:10	phrik	Title: [REGRESSION] ALSA: firewire-lib: heavy digital distortion with Fireface 800 - edmund.raile (at lore.kernel.org)
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2024-07-31 13:54:40	gromit	smp: Apparently this series fixes the issue: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240730195318.869840-1-edmund.raile@protonmail.com/#t
2024-07-31 13:54:41	phrik	Title: [PATCH v4 0/2] ALSA: firewire-lib: restore process context workqueue to prevent deadlock - Edmund Raile (at lore.kernel.org)
2024-07-31 13:56:27	smp	gromit, wonderful! thank you very much! I will add myself to the topic :)
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2024-07-31 13:57:42	gromit	smp: I'll have a look on whether this is already included for the next stable .. Did you try 6.10.2 already? 
2024-07-31 13:58:02	PMunch	Oh wait, looking at the nvtop output I have a DEV column telling me which device things run on
2024-07-31 13:58:08	teraflops	I do agree with Tom^, using wayland on dual GPU machines is more straightforward
2024-07-31 13:58:16	PMunch	And it's only /usr/lib/Xorg which runs on the internal GPU
2024-07-31 13:58:52	smp	gromit: i've tested 6.10.2 without success today :-/
2024-07-31 13:58:57	PMunch	Unfortunately I've written many of my own X11 programs that I use on a day to day basis.. So switching to Wayland will be painful
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2024-07-31 13:59:14	teraflops	PMunch: not working under xwayland?
2024-07-31 13:59:30	PMunch	My X11 programs?
2024-07-31 13:59:34	teraflops	yes
2024-07-31 13:59:47	PMunch	Haven't tried honestly, should they?
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2024-07-31 14:00:08	teraflops	I guess so, it's worth a try
2024-07-31 14:00:22	PMunch	I'm also contributing to an X11 WM, sooo
2024-07-31 14:00:47	teraflops	just a kind suggestion
2024-07-31 14:01:04	PMunch	Yeah, if everything else fails it's not a bad idea
2024-07-31 14:01:31	PMunch	Hmm, so I appear to have two Xorg processes, one running on the internal GPU and one running on the discrete
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2024-07-31 14:01:45	PMunch	Or maybe it's the same, but running on both?
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2024-07-31 14:02:07	teraflops	PMunch: do you have anything attached to external display?
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2024-07-31 14:02:24	gromit	smp: I don't think it's included so far and also it does not seems to be in the queue: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/stable-queue.git/tree/queue-6.10
2024-07-31 14:02:25	phrik	Title: queue-6.10 - kernel/git/stable/stable-queue.git - Linux kernel stable patch queue (at git.kernel.org)
2024-07-31 14:02:26	PMunch	Yes I have two external displays connected
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2024-07-31 14:02:42	Tom^	PMunch: well as far as i recall i think thats gonna be the case or you make a convulated udev rule/xorg conf that explicitly disables hdmi/usb-c/dp out on the nvidia dgpu at the cost of not having hotpluggable ports
2024-07-31 14:02:45	PMunch	But when I disconnected them the discrete GPU was still running
2024-07-31 14:02:46	teraflops	well, maybe one of the external displays are attached to the dgpu
2024-07-31 14:02:53	Tom^	PMunch: i gave up years ago and just went with wayland
2024-07-31 14:02:56	teraflops	it happens here too in my laptop
2024-07-31 14:03:10	PMunch	Well that would be fine
2024-07-31 14:03:33	PMunch	I can live with the discrete GPU being required to run these monitors, as that only happens when I'm at my desk
2024-07-31 14:03:52	PMunch	The problem is when I bring the laptop with me and it eats through the battery in an hour not doing anything
2024-07-31 14:04:06	teraflops	that's another matter
2024-07-31 14:04:14	Tom^	PMunch: https://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/555.42.02/README/dynamicpowermanagement.html , the problem is you are gonna have to revert the udev rule/xorg conf or whatever when you plan on using it
2024-07-31 14:04:36	Tom^	but yeah idk, maybe things changed in the past years. wayland deals with it better :p
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2024-07-31 14:05:31	teraflops	at least here I can detach the dgpu to the point that is not even listed in lspci output
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2024-07-31 14:05:45	smp	gromit: As far as i understand from the first mailing list post they try to fix it via DEFINE_RAW_FLEX, which would be included in this patch: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/stable-queue.git/tree/queue-6.10/alsa-firewire-lib-fix-wrong-value-as-length-of-header-for-cip_no_header-case.patch
2024-07-31 14:05:46	phrik	Title: alsa-firewire-lib-fix-wrong-value-as-length-of-header-for-cip_no_header-case.patch « queue-6.10 - kernel/git/stable/stable-queue.git - Linux kernel stable patch queue (at git.kernel.org)
2024-07-31 14:06:23	smp	gromit: https://lore.kernel.org/all/dabb394e-6c85-45a0-bc06-7a45262a9a8c@embeddedor.com/
2024-07-31 14:06:25	phrik	Title: Re: [REGRESSION] ALSA: firewire-lib: heavy digital distortion with Fireface 800 - Gustavo A. R. Silva (at lore.kernel.org)
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2024-07-31 14:08:36	gromit	smp: wanna test the release candidate for the new stable kernel? https://pkgbuild.com/~gromit/linux-bisection-kernels/linux-6.10.3rc1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
2024-07-31 14:08:55	gromit	It includes the patch mentioned by you 
2024-07-31 14:09:16	smp	gromit: sure :) i will checkout the wiki how to use a rc :)
2024-07-31 14:09:29	teraflops	they did it for you!
2024-07-31 14:10:01	gromit	smp: you can just feed the link I have posted above to "sudo pacman -U" and it will install the thing as regular "linux" image for you :) 
2024-07-31 14:10:44	smp	gromit, wonderful, it works as you said. installing and rebooting :) will report back in some minutes
2024-07-31 14:10:44	gromit	in the meantime there also is a 6.10.3-rc3 but the changes are unrelated to this issue 
2024-07-31 14:10:51	gromit	smp: ^_^
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2024-07-31 14:14:05	smp	gromit: it works :) wondeful :)
2024-07-31 14:14:18	gromit	smp: great! 
2024-07-31 14:14:40	smp	i really thought that would be the final straw of my audio interface after 18 years of service :D 
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2024-07-31 14:16:44	smp	gromit, i guess if a new stable kernel is released pacman will upgrade to the newest kernel?
2024-07-31 14:18:11	gromit	smp: yeah with the new stable kernel (3-5 days) the one you have currently installed with just be overwritten
2024-07-31 14:18:26	smp	gromit: wonderful, thank you very much for the support <3
2024-07-31 14:18:39	teraflops	gromit++
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2024-07-31 14:19:58	gromit	smp: no problem! For future reference, checking the regressions list, the bugzilla and also the regzbot overview (https://linux-regtracking.leemhuis.info/regzbot/mainline/) is a good start for upstream issues and downstream most issues are collected on the "linux" package https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/linux/-/issues or on the forums 
2024-07-31 14:20:00	phrik	Title: Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / linux · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-07-31 14:20:19	gromit	smp: but you can ofc just always ask here :p
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2024-07-31 14:21:04	smp	gromit, i've added both to my bookmarks :)
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2024-07-31 14:23:50	Hunker	Hi, I tried to install gnome-do from AUR and there was a bunch of dependencies of which many did not compile well.. I now want to reverse to the state before I tried to install gnome-do. Is there any commad I could use that would reverse/un-install all packages that was installed after I fist tried to install gnome-do?
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2024-07-31 14:24:34	Hunker	Trying for orphans just show a few of 50-60 packages
2024-07-31 14:24:46	noclaf	Hunker: you might filter through /var/log/pacman.log and identify packages based on timestamps
2024-07-31 14:24:59	Hunker	ok
2024-07-31 14:25:22	Hunker	I'll try that
2024-07-31 14:25:26	Hunker	Thanx
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2024-07-31 14:51:29	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-07-31 14:51:30	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1393 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1393 regular)
2024-07-31 14:40:11	PMunch	Grabbed nvidia-prime-rtd3pm and enabled nvidia-persistenced, everything seems to be working now
2024-07-31 14:41:10	PMunch	Leaving it unplugged for a while and the battery system reported 8 hours until flat, and the GPU was suspended
2024-07-31 14:41:21	PMunch	Connected my monitors and everything came up
2024-07-31 14:41:28	PMunch	Haven't tried disconnecting again though..
2024-07-31 14:43:31	Tom^	PMunch: some things might bring it up here and there too, worth keeping in mind. like nvidia-smi first launch of certain vulkan apps iterating over gpus etc etc
2024-07-31 14:43:40	Tom^	PMunch: its not 100% flawless but its better then nothing :p
2024-07-31 14:43:46	PMunch_	Oh sure
2024-07-31 14:44:11	PMunch_	I just want to be able to bring my laptop to meetings lasting more than one hour to take notes
2024-07-31 14:44:19	Tom^	yeh
2024-07-31 14:45:02	PMunch_	Okay, so it seems like using xrandr to disable the external monitors is required to disable the integrated GPU
2024-07-31 14:45:13	PMunch_	otherwise it probably still renders them just doesn't show them anywhere
2024-07-31 14:49:56	PMunch__	Are there any good xrandr GUIs around by the way?
2024-07-31 14:51:30	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-07-31 14:52:24	teraflops	arandr iirc
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2024-07-31 14:56:24	PMunch	Hmm, last updated on GitHub 11 years ago, and I immediately ran into an issue..
2024-07-31 14:56:49	PMunch	I've got a 4K monitor on this laptop so I ran it with --scale 0.5 to make text legible
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2024-07-31 15:02:27	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-07-31 15:03:01	PMunch	noclaf, unfortunately I have written many small X11 programs that I use on a daily basis. And I'm contributing to an X11 WM.
2024-07-31 15:03:13	PMunch	But I might look at switching at some point
2024-07-31 15:03:37	noclaf	understandable. it was a brainless decision for me to do the jump from i3 to sway.
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2024-07-31 15:03:59	PMunch	Yeah that's a similar jump to what I would do
2024-07-31 15:04:00	noclaf	i deal with a thunderbolt dock for my work laptop and it's been so much more pleasant under wayland.
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2024-07-31 15:04:56	PMunch	I also have a thunderbolt dock, and it seems to behave fairly well under X11
2024-07-31 15:05:17	noclaf	i had the hardest time getting it to reliably switch on the displayport monitor when i plugged in the dock.
2024-07-31 15:05:25	noclaf	did the unplug/plug dance a half dozen times to get it to work.
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2024-07-31 15:05:42	PMunch	Huh, that "just works" for me
2024-07-31 15:05:44	noclaf	it's like 99% reliable under wayland.
2024-07-31 15:06:01	PMunch	I mean I connect it and everything is detected, xrandr the monitors on and on they turn
2024-07-31 15:06:16	PMunch	I might set up a udev rule at some point to automate that though
2024-07-31 15:06:29	noclaf	well, i never explicitly turned on the monitors, i just expected them to work.
2024-07-31 15:06:58	noclaf	and that's how it goes with wayland. input detected, monitor turns on, sway moves tabs around to the right monitor
2024-07-31 15:08:03	PMunch	I kinda wish there was a barebones OS (like Arch) but which had all of these things pre-installed (or at least in ready-made packages)
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2024-07-31 15:08:32	PMunch	I like the part of Arch where I install my own DE/WM stack and choose the programs I want. But the configuring drivers and fiddling with config files to make basic stuff work I could certainly be without
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2024-07-31 15:11:10	noclaf	isn't that manjaro? (sorry, ops plz don't ban me)
2024-07-31 15:11:41	PMunch	Haha, I actually switched from Manjaro to Arch because it had too much pre-installed stuff
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2024-07-31 15:11:49	PMunch	But in a way, yes
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2024-07-31 15:14:29	noclaf	I'd probably just switch to debian if Arch ceased to exist, but i haaaaaate their package tooling
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2024-07-31 15:28:30	Tom^	noclaf: gentoo :p
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2024-07-31 15:28:57	Tom^	also hi there old man
2024-07-31 15:28:59	jelle	uwuntu
2024-07-31 15:29:13	noclaf	hello!
2024-07-31 15:29:20	noclaf	yes, i'm old
2024-07-31 15:29:48	Tom^	the number one aur helper breaker himself
2024-07-31 15:29:51	Tom^	pepperidge farm remembers
2024-07-31 15:29:56	⚡ 	noclaf flexes
2024-07-31 15:30:34	noclaf	48 hours back on arch and i've already tagged a new pkgfile release. caveat fucking emptor.
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2024-07-31 15:30:58	Tom^	heh
2024-07-31 15:31:50	PMunch	Oh yeah, which AUR helper is common nowadays?
2024-07-31 15:32:10	jelle	noclaf: pkgfile,.. bloat!
2024-07-31 15:32:20	noclaf	jelle: always has been
2024-07-31 15:32:34	jelle	actually pacman -F is more inefficient :-)
2024-07-31 15:33:25	jelle	as it loads the whole db in ram
2024-07-31 15:33:44	noclaf	yeah, at least pkgfile drops everything it doesn't need. still does a full load, though.
2024-07-31 15:33:54	grawity	jelle: and is still somehow slow to scan through it
2024-07-31 15:34:13	jelle	grawity: ye, would be nice to speed up
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2024-07-31 15:35:08	noclaf	speaking of bloat software, i'm stoked that you killed off asp. deth to SVN.
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2024-07-31 15:35:47	jelle	^_^
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2024-07-31 15:36:00	Namarrgon	I miss the PKGBUILD tarball..
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2024-07-31 15:36:35	gromit	Namarrgon: what do you mean? 
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2024-07-31 15:37:19	Namarrgon	gromit: There used to be a tarball that contained all the PKGBUILDs. It was nice and simple. No magical tooling needed, just curl it!.
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2024-07-31 15:37:56	noclaf	what's the git setup? 1 pkgbase = 1 repo?
2024-07-31 15:38:03	jelle	noclaf: yes
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2024-07-31 15:38:48	noclaf	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages ooooh
2024-07-31 15:38:50	phrik	Title: Packages · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-07-31 15:38:52	gromit	Namarrgon: I mean we can provide that ... :P But what's the usecase of getting all PKGBUILD's where this would be a benefit? 
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2024-07-31 15:40:36	Tom^	Namarrgon: instead of curl now you just git clone
2024-07-31 15:40:54	PMunch	Hmm, all of a sudden Trash is gone from pcmanfm..
2024-07-31 15:40:59	chovy	anyone tried using this for webmail yet? https://git.sr.ht/~migadu/alps
2024-07-31 15:41:00	phrik	Title: ~migadu/alps - Alps Webmail - sourcehut git (at git.sr.ht)
2024-07-31 15:41:07	PMunch	It still exists in .local/share/Trash though
2024-07-31 15:41:19	gromit	Tom^: you can still curl it, just one PKGBUILD at a time 
2024-07-31 15:41:30	Namarrgon	gromit: So i can fork arch easier!
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2024-07-31 15:41:50	PMunch	Ah `sudo pacman -S gvfs` was all that was needed
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2024-07-31 15:42:16	gromit	Namarrgon: hah, just add an installer + theme and call it a distribution, no need to actually do packaging 😎
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2024-07-31 15:42:20	noclaf	`expac -Ss %e | sort -u` is your package list. loop over that with git clone and wait for the door knock
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2024-07-31 15:43:04	gromit	noclaf: we also have pkgctl repo clone --universe :p We can ofc also add a switch to only clone the installed pkbases 
2024-07-31 15:43:07	Namarrgon	I think we just barely made it out of the last DOS.
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2024-07-31 15:44:10	lmat	How are computers on my home network supposed to get public IPv6 addresses matching the prefix given by my ISP? It's not happening, and I'm not sure how it should be happening, so I don't know where to look.
2024-07-31 15:44:30	noclaf	gromit: oh, nice. playing with pkgctl is on my todo list
2024-07-31 15:44:39	noclaf	only installed devtools this morning
2024-07-31 15:45:00	noclaf	lmat: usually done through router advertisements
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2024-07-31 15:45:33	lmat	What I've read so far about Neighbor discovery (for instance) talks about auto-configuration and hosts picking IP addresses after de-duplication, etc. but it doesn't talk about "receiving" a prefix.
2024-07-31 15:45:36	lmat	noclaf: I'll read more about RA.
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2024-07-31 15:45:51	lmat	noclaf: Looks like that should be in here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4861
2024-07-31 15:45:54	noclaf	used to be that you needed a daemon like radvd to receive them, but systemd-networkd handles them nowadays
2024-07-31 15:45:54	phrik	Title: RFC 4861 - Neighbor Discovery for IP version 6 (IPv6) (at datatracker.ietf.org)
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2024-07-31 15:47:44	noclaf	i think you can also just get the kernel to consume them, see /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/$iface/accept_ra
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2024-07-31 15:48:01	lmat	noclaf: By the way, radvd is referred to as "router advertisement daemon", but what do the letters in radvd mean? (it's not "rad")
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2024-07-31 15:48:19	noclaf	Router ADVertisement Daemon ?
2024-07-31 15:48:26	lmat	noclaf: Oh, duh, thank you
2024-07-31 15:48:42	lmat	noclaf: What would the kernel do with them? The kernel isn't in the business of configuring NICs?
2024-07-31 15:48:57	noclaf	oh, but it is
2024-07-31 15:49:07	lmat	noclaf: Okay!
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2024-07-31 16:30:10	teraflops	lmat: I do this way at home https://paste.priet.us/fht5/
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2024-07-31 21:28:45	lmat	I ran xfwm4 --replace -b glx; and the window decorations were gone. I restarted the computer, logged in, and the problem persistse. How do I undo that?
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2024-07-31 21:31:16	lmat	I ran xfwm4& and it seems like things are working better now!
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2024-07-31 21:45:35	shalok	On my laptop, if I unplug the mains, the screen very slowly over 10 seconds or so dims. When I plug the mains back in, the brightness jump back up to the original level. What is causing this?
2024-07-31 21:46:30	Edu4rdSHL	What does "the mains" means?
2024-07-31 21:46:37	shalok	The power supply cable.
2024-07-31 21:47:01	Edu4rdSHL	And the problem is? I mean, it's a normal behavior on laptops due to powersaving features
2024-07-31 21:47:40	shalok	Where is this implemented? How do I disable it?
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2024-07-31 21:48:21	shalok	I would be annoyed if it was working exactly the way I described, but to make it worse the brightness jumps happen somewhat randomly.
2024-07-31 21:48:47	shalok	Sometimes the jumps happen on plugging in, sometimes plugging out, sometimes apparently for now reason at all.
2024-07-31 21:48:56	shalok	Has nothing to do with idle, because I'm typing the whole time.
2024-07-31 21:49:00	Namarrgon	Which model is this?
2024-07-31 21:49:01	susi	I have not experienced such behavior so could it be your DE
2024-07-31 21:49:06	shalok	ThinkPad P16s
2024-07-31 21:49:13	shalok	KDE
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2024-07-31 21:50:50	rcf	Assuming sysfs reports constant values 
2024-07-31 21:51:29	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-07-31 21:52:10	shalok	rcf: I already disabled all power savings features in the UEFI setup.
2024-07-31 21:52:45	shalok	Edu4rdSHL: There's nothing really relevant in battery settings. There's a flag to dim the display but it's configured for 15 minutes of idle.
2024-07-31 21:52:58	shalok	I turned it off anyway just in case, but not surprisingly it didn't help.
2024-07-31 21:54:10	Namarrgon	Have you tested some simple WM instead of kde?
2024-07-31 21:55:40	shalok	Namarrgon: I'll try killing SDM altogether.
2024-07-31 21:55:41	shalok	brb
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2024-07-31 22:07:15	susi	could just test in a vc without running display server / compositor
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2024-07-31 22:24:38	shalok	Namarrgon: Once the problem starts happening, even logging completely out and stopping the display manager does not fix the machine. If I subsequently log into a console I can still reproduce it.
2024-07-31 22:25:11	shalok	But if I disable the display manager service and reboot and then log into the console only, the problem does not appear.
2024-07-31 22:25:31	shalok	Moreover I re-enabled the display manager and logged into lxqt and was also not able to reproduce it.
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2024-07-31 22:26:22	shalok	So it's probably something started by KDE which doesn't get killed even when subsequently logged out.
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2024-07-31 22:27:00	Namarrgon	Logging out doesn't kill all running processes of that user.
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2024-07-31 22:28:22	shalok	Namarrgon: I think systemd is configured to kill everything in the control group for that user as soon as the user's last session exits.
2024-07-31 22:28:51	Namarrgon	No, that's not enabled by default.
2024-07-31 22:29:20	shalok	Well I can check easily enough. I'll drop to console now, brb.
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2024-07-31 22:29:48	Namarrgon	grep KillUserProcesses /etc/systemd/logind.conf
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2024-07-31 22:40:26	shalok	Namarrgon: Yup, I logged out of my user and logged in as root and verified that no user processes were still running.
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2024-07-31 22:41:51	shalok	But I also noticed that the wall socket I'm using seems to be broken and doesn't work reliably, so I'm no longer confident in my earlier test results. argh
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2024-07-31 22:55:28	gehidore	trying to build auracle-git and I get this: https://0x0.st/XOTs.txt machine is fully updated 2 hours ago, tried again on my server which is also updated as of 30 minutes ago and it builds fine. what am I not seeing?
2024-07-31 22:55:30	Dex2x	Hi all, does avahi-resolve need the avahi daemon to be running? 
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2024-07-31 22:55:44	Dex2x	I thought you only need the daemon on one device in the network ?
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2024-07-31 22:58:49	rcf	Dex2x: that command does rely on a local daemon 
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2024-07-31 22:59:20	xgpt	trying tostart a chroot as an unprivileged user following the arch wiki. getting an error that i'm not root?
2024-07-31 22:59:32	xgpt	I'm new to this
2024-07-31 22:59:46	rcf	chroot requires root 
2024-07-31 23:00:06	Dex2x	rcf, oh.. well that kinda sucks, because even though I have an avahi-daemon running, I still cannot do a ping hostname.local , it just fails. only thing that is working is the avahi-resolve 
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2024-07-31 23:01:01	xgpt	rcf https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Chroot#Without_root_privileges
2024-07-31 23:01:02	phrik	Title: chroot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-07-31 23:01:22	rcf	xgpt: indeed, you need something else to pretend to chroot.
2024-07-31 23:01:40	xgpt	i was trying the unshare method
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2024-07-31 23:05:38	rcf	gehidore: do the upstream commits match? That's my only guess 
2024-07-31 23:06:23	gehidore	yup and the same exact pkgbuild works fine on another machine
2024-07-31 23:06:42	rcf	...the hell
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2024-07-31 23:07:34	gehidore	I've rebooted, I've updated, I haven't tried not using bash however both machines use bash
2024-07-31 23:07:47	gehidore	grasping at straws but I'm out of ideas
2024-07-31 23:08:08	gehidore	ran it through namcap with no errors just a warning
2024-07-31 23:08:26	gehidore	oh no warning, that was a different pkgbuild sorry
2024-07-31 23:08:44	rcf	Well, for whatever reason it's not cloning the upstream properly. 
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2024-07-31 23:09:01	gehidore	hrm...
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2024-07-31 23:09:21	demonicmaniac1	gehidore: do you have local git configs on the machine differing maybe?
2024-07-31 23:10:07	rcf	Dex2x: did you configure your nsswitch to actually use it for standard resolution 
2024-07-31 23:10:35	demonicmaniac1	gehidore: git config --list on all the machines?
2024-07-31 23:10:40	Dex2x	rcf, I can do 'files mymachines mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] mdns6_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] resolve [!UNAVAIL=return] dns myhostname'
2024-07-31 23:11:18	gehidore	oh wtf
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2024-07-31 23:13:46	gehidore	this is even more bizarre to me now... I updated now 3 hours ago according to pacman log and git was updated to 2.45.2-1 for giggles I compared it to the machien that works which has 2.56.0-1 so I did another Syu and git updates to the same 2.46.0-1 and this magically works now
2024-07-31 23:13:55	gehidore	-_- thanks rcf and demonicmaniac1 
2024-07-31 23:14:14	gehidore	next one I'll complain about is this gpu hang again
2024-07-31 23:14:32	brocellous	Dex2x: you can use the MulticastDNS=yes support in systemd-resolved if you just want .local to work
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2024-07-31 23:14:57	Dex2x	brocellous, but that needs to be enabled on all machines? 
2024-07-31 23:15:06	Dex2x	I want to be able to use it from windows as well 
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2024-07-31 23:15:32	brocellous	You need a resolver and responder. sd-resolved can be a resolver or both.
2024-07-31 23:15:43	brocellous	windows will obviously have its own implementation
2024-07-31 23:16:12	Dex2x	I thought that it what avahi or mdsnd is supposed to do 
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2024-07-31 23:17:21	xgpt	yeah, i'm getting all sorts of permission denied errors even run running as root
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2024-07-31 23:18:29	rcf	hmm
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2024-07-31 23:19:18	rcf	brocellous: windows historically used llmnr, which is an advantage of resolved
2024-07-31 23:19:23	rcf	As it can do that. 
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2024-07-31 23:20:51	brocellous	windows is transitioning away from llmnr now though
2024-07-31 23:20:58	brocellous	in favor of mdns
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2024-07-31 23:21:36	rcf	Thankfully. 
2024-07-31 23:21:36	Dex2x	well this isn't being really useful :D 
2024-07-31 23:22:06	Dex2x	at least windows can ping. 
2024-07-31 23:22:14	Dex2x	Still not having any luck in my arch setup 
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2024-07-31 23:23:40	Dex2x	I mean for ipv6, you kinda need something like this in your local network if you want to use ipv6 locally but geez 
2024-07-31 23:23:50	Earnestly	gehidore: old script sometimes useful: https://0x0.st/HoXO.sh => -1 -2 -n refers to n prior transaction
2024-07-31 23:24:23	Dex2x	brocellous, isn't windows using zeroconf ? which isn't compatible with mdns 
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2024-07-31 23:25:24	rcf	They've used LLMNR, which is not compatible. They're moving to mdns. 
2024-07-31 23:25:57	Earnestly	gehidore: (iow, 1 is first txn, -1 is last txn, -2 is second to last txn, and so on)
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2024-07-31 23:34:23	shalok	So the problem with my screen dimming turned out to be power-profiles-daemon. Still not sure why it only had problems in KDE and not lxqt, but I uninstalled it and replaced it with tuned and the screen dimming problems are gone.
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2024-08-01 02:23:11	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-01 02:23:11	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1383 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1383 regular)
2024-08-01 00:05:30	padv	!paste
2024-08-01 00:05:31	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-08-01 02:23:12	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-01 11:14:59	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-01 11:14:59	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1383 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1383 regular)
2024-08-01 05:13:01	sway	how do i get xterm to acknowledge the fact that i have a bunch of fonts installed? like awesomefont/nerdfonts/etc?
2024-08-01 05:13:24	sway	echoing various unicode synbols results in generic unicode error square thing
2024-08-01 05:37:06	vvn	since bash -c takes a string, bash -c "$@" is useless and bash -c "$*" would be preferred, right? 
2024-08-01 05:48:39	Jarcode	hey, anyone affected by the amd (zen1/2) errata 1109 find a surefire fix?
2024-08-01 05:49:06	Jarcode	I'm rocking an old 1700x (no segfault issue afaik) with some serious stability issues on recent kernels
2024-08-01 05:49:29	Jarcode	granted, with qemu guests running. I'm not sure how virtualization interacts with c6 states.
2024-08-01 07:52:51	BrainDamage	vvn: you're mixing things up, $@ vs $* refer to how to handle the arguments after the script itsef
2024-08-01 08:40:33	PMunch	Has anyone else got issues with xrandr throwing issues, but just running the commands over and over it will at some point work?
2024-08-01 08:44:20	PMunch	Errors like this by the way: https://pasty.ee/tBFrGMxi
2024-08-01 09:14:13	Denial8522	hi
2024-08-01 09:25:23	rcf	!give Denial8522 welcomerpg
2024-08-01 09:25:24	phrik	Denial8522: Welcome to #archlinux - How can we help you?
2024-08-01 09:30:57	Denial8522	Hi I'm first time in archlinux can i know how to install the deb package in archlinux?
2024-08-01 09:32:39	BrainDamage	you cannot install .debs in arch
2024-08-01 09:32:42	Antiz	Denial8522: Deb packages are made for Debian (and debian based distro), they can't be installed on Arch
2024-08-01 09:32:47	Antiz	At least, not as is
2024-08-01 09:33:06	BrainDamage	what package do you need to install? there's a chance arch will have a native equivalent
2024-08-01 09:34:32	Denial8522	I'm try to install msedge because I wanna use pwa office.
2024-08-01 09:34:57	Antiz	It is available from the AUR: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/microsoft-edge-stable-bin
2024-08-01 09:37:21	Denial8522	oh its work. thanks a lot.
2024-08-01 09:37:46	Antiz	You're welcome :)
2024-08-01 09:39:37	PMunch	Just for completeness sake if you can't find the package in AUR then you can use something like `debtap` to convert the package to an Arch package
2024-08-01 09:40:29	PMunch	I've used it to install .deb packages that where specifically built for me by an automated system (and thus couldn't be put in AUR)
2024-08-01 09:44:20	Denial8522	debtap seems like a good tool, I'll try it. thanks man.
2024-08-01 09:46:28	jelle	I'd go flatpak over debtap
2024-08-01 09:47:52	PMunch	Denial8522, don't try it just to try it. It's very rarely needed, kind of a last resort thing
2024-08-01 09:47:53	Denial8522	flatpak I used that before in guix. It is hard for me. TT
2024-08-01 09:48:07	PMunch	99% of the time you'll find what you're looking for in the AUR
2024-08-01 09:48:46	BrainDamage	debtap is not a good tool, it's a rickety pile of garbage: https://github.com/helixarch/debtap/blob/99991fa9c93323525179eb8922ff0626b577a6f7/debtap#L698-L2651
2024-08-01 09:51:02	PMunch	Holy shit, never actually looked at the source before but that looks like hell to maintain
2024-08-01 09:51:37	PMunch	However, it did work for me the one time I needed it
2024-08-01 09:53:01	Denial8522	Ya, that is crazy if else for loop script. :o
2024-08-01 10:25:14	mrkiko	Hello all! Seeing key verification failures with libgme - is this a known issue?
2024-08-01 10:39:51	Denial8522	try this "gpg --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 0BAF0C9C7B6AE9F2" ref: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/lib32-libgme. 
2024-08-01 10:48:47	mrkiko	Denial8522: thanks! But the package comes from pacman and I also triggedred the archlinux-keyring sync process
2024-08-01 10:49:35	mrkiko	but OK... thanks for the help Denial8522 :)
2024-08-01 11:07:49	Denial8522	you're welcome. ;)
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2024-08-01 11:22:44	l_	he mu package does not install the mu4e executable file. It does install a bunch of .el files including mu4e.el.
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2024-08-01 11:23:58	rcf	l_: isn’t that intended to run from emacs
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2024-08-01 11:38:54	l_	rcf: Yes. But it doen't.  I set the load path.  The document I read said (or at least seens to say) that it should run from the terminal also.
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2024-08-01 12:29:16	ramblebamble	Heya! I was wondering is there a way to unpublish/delete packages from aur?
2024-08-01 12:29:39	grawity	file a request using the link in the right-side panel
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2024-08-01 13:10:05	snoriman	hi! is there a way to see which usb devices maps to which /dev/tty? I can reconnect it while looking at `dmesg -w`, but I'm curious if there is maybe a nice util for this.
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2024-08-01 13:22:10	snoriman	Ah, chatgpt was able to help me! 
2024-08-01 13:22:21	PMunch	What did you end up with?
2024-08-01 13:22:56	snoriman	I created a matching attribute using `ATTRS{iSerial}='<the-serial>`, however it should be `ATTR{serial}=<the-serial>`, so I had to remove the "i" 
2024-08-01 13:24:32	snoriman	lol, it even has a (very) eleborate answer why I should use `serial` instead of `iSerial`. 
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2024-08-01 13:28:59	fspkwon	dumdedum https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/dxvk-mingw
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2024-08-01 13:29:12	fspkwon	i posted a working git repo https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/xnine-git#comment-984642
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2024-08-01 13:30:22	fspkwon	heeeeeereeeezego https://github.com/axeldavy/Xnine I see the AUR uses its own GIT Server <- is why
2024-08-01 13:32:50	noclaf	is there a way to report obvious garbage users on the AUR? registered email is "archisgay@mailinator.com"
2024-08-01 13:33:10	fspkwon	that emails been there for..................................................................
2024-08-01 13:33:16	fspkwon	since 2011?
2024-08-01 13:33:30	noclaf	Registration date:2024-07-31 (EDT)
2024-08-01 13:33:38	noclaf	it's mailinator, so it's all temporal email addresses
2024-08-01 13:33:44	noclaf	not a serious email service.
2024-08-01 13:34:04	noclaf	signed up to the AUR just to post a comment admitting that he didn't read the pinned comment.
2024-08-01 13:34:07	fspkwon	arch is a schitzoeffective bead collector she cant possibly be
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2024-08-01 13:36:25	Antiz	noclaf: I'll take a look, thanks. To answer the question, you can report such stuff in the AUR general mailing list.
2024-08-01 13:36:33	jelle	noclaf: "a bit gay is okay"
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2024-08-01 13:36:49	noclaf	everyone's a little bit gay.
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2024-08-01 15:14:46	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-01 15:14:46	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1402 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1402 regular)
2024-08-01 13:47:08	fspkwon	:() nowoo i archlwrinux PROWOKEMON!
2024-08-01 13:47:08	Namarrgon	rarebird15: Yeah, virtualbox should work better for linux.
2024-08-01 13:47:10	jelle	Namarrgon: all pokemon fans use arch, duh
2024-08-01 13:47:49	Namarrgon	arch is not a canonical pokemon, only fanfic
2024-08-01 13:48:21	fspkwon	i saw the archlogo in the missingno elite4 <- ?!?..... people actually believe that
2024-08-01 13:55:12	rarebird15	I've got virtualbox but have no idea how much memory or processors to put. I've got a computer with 32 gb ram. Any suggestions?
2024-08-01 13:55:35	Namarrgon	Depends on what you want to do with it. 8gb won't hurt.
2024-08-01 13:56:57	Namarrgon	You need about 1gb for the archiso to boot comfortably.
2024-08-01 14:34:37	noclaf	oh my god, why is std::chrono such a tire fire
2024-08-01 14:35:20	noclaf	i get it. arbitrary precision, arbitrary clock references... it doesn't have to be so hard :|
2024-08-01 14:42:11	ponies	timedate is always bs 
2024-08-01 14:43:10	ponies	infact, as we speak time-rs is broken
2024-08-01 14:43:42	noclaf	absl::Time is doing just fine.
2024-08-01 14:43:51	noclaf	praise google
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2024-08-01 15:47:41	fspkwon	i cant seem to abstract here what building just 64bit or both 64/32 using make and pkgbuild for xnine-git and a updated git repo has to be updated because aur compike is failing
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2024-08-01 16:07:59	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-01 16:07:59	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1399 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1399 regular)
2024-08-01 16:08:02	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-01 16:10:01	Betal	noclaf: did you try #C++ ?
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2024-08-01 16:20:02	noclaf	oh, please no. this was just an experiment to see how auracle might work with std::chrono. i'm already linking to abseil, so i'll stick with absl::Time, tyvm.
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2024-08-01 18:25:21	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-01 18:25:21	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1409 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1409 regular)
2024-08-01 18:25:03	maritosu	i feel like this is discord but literally on terminal
2024-08-01 18:25:17	Ingar	maritosu: the other way around
2024-08-01 18:25:21	MrElendig	maritosu: too little emoji/sticker spam for that
2024-08-01 18:25:22	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-08-01 18:25:25	Ingar	discord is like IRC, but with a GUI
2024-08-01 18:25:26	maritosu	oh god does irc exposes your ip adress i saw abovw????:skull:
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2024-08-01 18:25:52	maritosu	theres even bots in irc thats cool dude
2024-08-01 18:26:06	teraflops	it only exposes your ip it¡f you do not have/want a cloack 
2024-08-01 18:26:12	teraflops	if^
2024-08-01 18:26:17	maritosu	anyways i use arch btw and may arch be the bes tlinux distro
2024-08-01 18:26:26	thumbs	All new accounts are now automatically cloaked.
2024-08-01 18:26:41	maritosu	cant i reply in irc? im first time using it
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2024-08-01 18:26:56	Ingar	maritosu: nope, once a message is sent, it stays like that
2024-08-01 18:27:02	teraflops	there is nick(tab) completion
2024-08-01 18:27:02	MrElendig	type the first couple of letters and press tab, unless your client is trash
2024-08-01 18:27:57	deadscrews	I can't get OpenSSL to trust my certificates inside Flatpak
2024-08-01 18:28:01	MrElendig	most clients will treat "nick:" as a reply/highlight, but it's purely client side, it's not a part of the irc protocol itself
2024-08-01 18:28:18	maritosu	been using archlinux for like 1 months had no problems the package manager such as yay works like a fine wine and doesnt actually break my system i use arch on my main laptop personally and im not even going back to windows atp
2024-08-01 18:28:21	deadscrews	GnuTLS works file
2024-08-01 18:28:46	maritosu	seems like it uses an server which is kind of an apartment?
2024-08-01 18:29:01	deadscrews	OpenSSL should too, it's loading the PKCS#11 engine
2024-08-01 18:29:17	deadscrews	anyone run into this before?
2024-08-01 18:29:22	alad	yay has nothing to do with arch, some guy wrote it in his basement
2024-08-01 18:30:02	maritosu	i mean arch is an rolling release distro so thats not a huge deal of some packages needing to be builded
2024-08-01 18:30:09	MrElendig	deadscrews: self signed or public CA? and what distro is in the container?
2024-08-01 18:30:43	MrElendig	oh misread flatpak as container
2024-08-01 18:30:43	deadscrews	MrElendig: self-signed. the standard org.freedesktop.Platform
2024-08-01 18:30:45	maritosu	but the gentoo package rep... the goddamn painful time compiling all of that and making your pc or idk laptop fans go like crazy!
2024-08-01 18:31:09	alad	gentoo has binary packages now
2024-08-01 18:31:16	maritosu	good
2024-08-01 18:31:24	noclaf	maritosu: those two things do not go together. debian testing is rolling but rarely do you need to build things yourself.
2024-08-01 18:31:31	MrElendig	deadscrews: https://github.com/flatpak/flatpak/issues/2721
2024-08-01 18:31:33	maritosu	im kind of person with overreaction and adhd
2024-08-01 18:31:34	MrElendig	enjoy, it's a mess
2024-08-01 18:31:35	maritosu	xd
2024-08-01 18:32:04	deadscrews	MrElendig: yeah, I've read it multiple times
2024-08-01 18:32:30	alad	flatschpack
2024-08-01 18:33:05	MrElendig	deadscrews: if the flatpak in question doesn't do p11kit then there is basically nothing you can do
2024-08-01 18:33:18	MrElendig	deadscrews: well, except get a publicly trusted cert of course
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2024-08-01 18:33:23	maritosu	well i dont use flatpak its too bloated its my problem
2024-08-01 18:33:27	MrElendig	which can be a nice thing to have anyway
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2024-08-01 18:38:50	maritosu	@sadale what are you talking about?
2024-08-01 18:38:58	maritosu	your name has spaces dude
2024-08-01 18:39:05	maritosu	the client thinks its multiple names!
2024-08-01 18:39:14	MrElendig	deadscrews: 5€ domain and LE :)
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2024-08-01 18:42:20	maritosu	i like the server logger lol
2024-08-01 18:42:32	maritosu	i mean the one if user joins or leaves
2024-08-01 18:43:47	maritosu	
2024-08-01 18:43:51	maritosu	wow
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2024-08-01 18:48:42	rcf	22hmm
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2024-08-01 18:55:39	maritosu	NO MY IP DUDE or is it visible only for me?
2024-08-01 18:55:49	maritosu	idk if i used clak i swear
2024-08-01 18:56:25	maritosu	https://media.tenor.com/Qsc0YiF-TJIAAAAM/black-black-guy.gif
2024-08-01 18:56:38	maritosu	sorry for offtopic
2024-08-01 18:57:25	maritosu	guys how i cloak
2024-08-01 18:57:26	maritosu	?
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2024-08-01 18:58:30	Warepire	maritosu: You are cloaked according to my client
2024-08-01 18:58:51	maritosu	oh thank god
2024-08-01 18:58:59	maritosu	in russian its hiding masking cause english isnt my native
2024-08-01 18:59:15	astralc	libera automatically cloak all (new) registered users
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2024-08-01 19:04:12	MrElendig	note: cloaks are not foolproof
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2024-08-01 19:05:09	maritosu	im so worried
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2024-08-01 19:06:34	luca0N	I don't know much about the technicalities of IRC, but I think you should be fine if you have a cloak and disable CTCP/DCC
2024-08-01 19:06:55	mister_ripley	if I run virsh snapshot-list somedomain should 3 out of 4 shapshots be running? I expected only the current one to be running.
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2024-08-01 19:09:53	imachine	hello!
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2024-08-01 19:10:15	imachine	is it true arch supports nvidia 340 drivers on newest 5.15 kernel ?
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2024-08-01 19:10:40	MrElendig	imachine: whatever nvidia supports in the 340 driver
2024-08-01 19:10:45	imachine	ubuntu no longer does... I have not found yet a method to install them from a repository to make work w/ 5.15
2024-08-01 19:10:50	MrElendig	you are probably better off with nouveau though
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2024-08-01 19:10:54	imachine	MrElendig, nvidia does not support them for long time
2024-08-01 19:11:12	MrElendig	or spending 100 bucks on a newer card
2024-08-01 19:11:14	imachine	oh? nouveau on 5.15 seems... iffy. rendering issues w/ firefox & chromium
2024-08-01 19:11:17	imachine	it's a laptop - t61
2024-08-01 19:11:24	imachine	otherwise I'm happy w/ the performance
2024-08-01 19:11:28	MrElendig	100 bucks on a newer laptop then :p
2024-08-01 19:11:33	MrElendig	or just use nouveau
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2024-08-01 19:11:59	imachine	yeah is it so good now? I mean the rendering issues put me off a bit... I have yet to see 3d performance. I play quake2 sometimes and savage-sxr
2024-08-01 19:12:06	mister_ripley	I finally gave up on Nvidia and Linux. AMD Cards for me now
2024-08-01 19:12:12	MrElendig	technically arch doesn't support nvidia 340 at all
2024-08-01 19:12:24	imachine	technically or? what do you mean
2024-08-01 19:12:26	MrElendig	it's unsupported trough aur
2024-08-01 19:12:39	imachine	I've seen patches on aur...
2024-08-01 19:12:39	imachine	for 5.15 kernel...
2024-08-01 19:12:40	MrElendig	aur is not supported
2024-08-01 19:12:52	imachine	oh ok
2024-08-01 19:13:05	MrElendig	you are on your own when using it
2024-08-01 19:13:08	imachine	yeah so it's not "official arch"
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2024-08-01 19:13:11	bdt	 
2024-08-01 19:13:23	imachine	but it still "fits" w/ the arch setup
2024-08-01 19:13:28	jelle	if you own a t61 you'd use novueau imo
2024-08-01 19:13:37	imachine	yeah but 3d performance...
2024-08-01 19:13:56	jelle	should be okish?
2024-08-01 19:13:58	imachine	let me try and run quake2 and see if it goes. also the rendering issue w/ firefox. it's slower than it was w/ nvidia driver 340
2024-08-01 19:14:27	imachine	like scrolling a webpage is hacky w/ nouveau
2024-08-01 19:14:28	imachine	but was smooth w/ nvidia-340
2024-08-01 19:14:56	imachine	also got a situation when absolute slowdown happened and essentially hard reboot. that's what got me to investigate and see that all of sudden -340 is no longer supported on ubuntu 22.04 (which i upgraded to today, from 20.04)
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2024-08-01 19:15:17	imachine	I found some repo/ppa (kind of like aur but on ubuntu) but it failed 
2024-08-01 19:15:20	imachine	:/
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2024-08-01 19:16:27	jelle	I mean
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2024-08-01 19:17:31	jelle	340xx is just going to stop working at some point
2024-08-01 19:17:31	imachine	ok q2 works fine
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2024-08-01 19:17:41	imachine	yeah but ;) the hardware is fine etc.
2024-08-01 19:17:53	imachine	it's just a matter of question what's less energy consuming
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2024-08-01 19:18:02	imachine	using the 340 meaning reinstall to arch
2024-08-01 19:18:09	imachine	or using nouvaau w/ ubuntu 
2024-08-01 19:18:17	imachine	so far so good in 3d quake2 works fine
2024-08-01 19:18:26	imachine	just the 2d performance is... so so
2024-08-01 19:18:36	imachine	really bad so to say in comparison w/ original nvidia
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2024-08-01 19:18:48	jelle	time to work on mesa!
2024-08-01 19:18:53	imachine	as long as it won't hang on browsing webpages
2024-08-01 19:18:57	imachine	like it did
2024-08-01 19:19:05	imachine	then it's cool, that's also stability issue
2024-08-01 19:19:21	imachine	wonder how it is w/ energy consveration too on the gpu how well nouveau supports that on this old chip
2024-08-01 19:19:30	imachine	old, new, whatever
2024-08-01 19:19:32	imachine	it works right
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2024-08-01 19:19:54	imachine	like you see I used 20.04 so far so like 4 year old distro, updated reasonably
2024-08-01 19:20:05	imachine	nevermind
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2024-08-01 19:22:30	imachine	nah, performance is way worse on this nouveau
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2024-08-01 19:23:10	MrElendig	linux-firmware installed?
2024-08-01 19:24:04	MrElendig	might have to manually set the power state too
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2024-08-01 19:25:41	imachine	how to do that?
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2024-08-01 19:26:46	maritosu_	o
2024-08-01 19:26:49	maritosu_	213
2024-08-01 19:27:03	maritosu_	sorry i was testing if my home internet was working
2024-08-01 19:27:52	maritosu_	dead chat
2024-08-01 19:28:02	phrik	maritosu_: Dunno what you did, but it's wrong.
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2024-08-01 19:30:08	mister_ripley	irc command for "Break 19 for a radio check "
2024-08-01 19:30:19	maritosu_	whois
2024-08-01 19:30:20	maritosu_	oops
2024-08-01 19:30:26	maritosu_	i didnt mean by that
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2024-08-01 19:30:34	maritosu_	aw man this chat is kinda boring and dead
2024-08-01 19:30:39	jelle	maritosu_: this is an support channel 
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2024-08-01 19:32:20	maritosu_	is there an english general channel by any way cause i cant find it according to the arch wiki?
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2024-08-01 19:33:26	maritosu_	i think im going to the #archlinux-aur channel at this point..
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2024-08-01 19:34:12	rcf	!give maritosu_ offtopic
2024-08-01 19:34:13	phrik	maritosu_: Take it to #archlinux-offtopic
2024-08-01 19:34:17	imachine	there, it just hanged again :x
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2024-08-01 19:34:48	rcf	maritosu_: that's where the 'normal' conversation happens 
2024-08-01 19:35:17	imachine	MrElendig, I think the nvidia nouvau is even worse maintained than original driver so if nvidia drop support for this chip why nouveau would develop and fix issues
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2024-08-01 19:35:25	imachine	it doesn't make sense...
2024-08-01 19:35:54	imachine	I will try downgrade w/ ubuntu back to 20.04
2024-08-01 19:35:57	imachine	maybe that will work...
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2024-08-01 19:36:50	imachine	meanwhile maybe I can "fix" nouveau to not change power state?
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2024-08-01 19:39:03	imachine	MrElendig, can I force nouveau to stick to one power state ?
2024-08-01 19:39:10	imachine	I can see there's options in /sys/debug/
2024-08-01 19:39:33	imachine	\/sys/debug/ /sys/kernel/debug
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2024-08-01 20:13:06	johnathan	I am trying to make a PKGBUILD, but it is needing to pull a package that has a script inside of it. Would anybody happen to know of a resource on how to do this?
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2024-08-01 20:14:47	Edu4rdSHL	What are you trying to package?
2024-08-01 20:14:53	Edu4rdSHL	I don't get your question tho
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2024-08-01 20:16:43	johnathan	I am trying to package an installation script.  My error is as follows 'Validating source files with sha256sums...
2024-08-01 20:16:43	johnathan	    uranusinstaller-0.1.0-x86_64.pkg.tar.gz ... Skipped
2024-08-01 20:16:43	johnathan	==> Extracting sources...
2024-08-01 20:16:43	johnathan	==> Removing existing $pkgdir/ directory...
2024-08-01 20:16:43	johnathan	==> Starting build()...
2024-08-01 20:16:44	johnathan	bsdtar: Error opening archive: Unrecognized archive format
2024-08-01 20:16:48	johnathan	==> ERROR: A failure occurred in build().
2024-08-01 20:16:50	johnathan	    Aborting...' We have tried using different compression utilities, like BSDTAR and TAR to get it to extract in the pkbuild. But it is leaving this error.
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2024-08-01 20:17:32	Edu4rdSHL	Can you show the PKGBUILD?
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2024-08-01 20:27:06	johnathan	https://bpa.st/N7QQ
2024-08-01 20:27:08	phrik	Title: View paste N7QQ (at bpa.st)
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2024-08-01 20:27:48	johnathan	Edu: https://bpa.st/N7QQ
2024-08-01 20:27:50	phrik	Title: View paste N7QQ (at bpa.st)
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2024-08-01 20:32:49	Edu4rdSHL	johnathan, you don't need the extract
2024-08-01 20:32:54	Edu4rdSHL	It's done automatically
2024-08-01 20:33:15	Edu4rdSHL	Just continue to package()
2024-08-01 20:33:39	johnathan	Thank you! I really appreciate it! I will give that a shot!
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2024-08-01 20:34:40	astralc	the archive is bad?
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2024-08-01 20:35:36	astralc	it download html document
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2024-08-01 20:36:45	Edu4rdSHL	The real URL should be https://github.com/sprunglesongithub/UranusOS_REPO/raw/main/x86_64/uranusinstaller-0.1.0-x86_64.pkg.tar.gz
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2024-08-01 20:47:14	Namarrgon	Isn't that already a pacman package?
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2024-08-01 21:10:57	absinthium	For some reason, today, I'm having trouble mounting my external SSD. It has two partitions and I can mount the unencrypted partition fine, but the encrypted partition gives me this error:
2024-08-01 21:11:00	absinthium	sudo mount /dev/mapper/Remote\x20Backups /mnt/Remote\Backups\x20Backups
2024-08-01 21:11:01	absinthium	mount: /mnt/RemoteBackupsx20Backups: fsconfig system call failed: /dev/mapper/Remotex20Backups: Can't lookup blockdev.
2024-08-01 21:12:03	absinthium	I did see that there was a recent update to `cryptsetup` but I don't know if that's relevant.
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2024-08-01 21:13:29	BrainDamage	I'll be really disappointed if there's no installation message that says "preparing Uranos OS"
2024-08-01 21:14:26	Namarrgon	absinthium: uname -r && pacman -Q linux
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2024-08-01 21:15:01	Namarrgon	eww, paths with spaces
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2024-08-01 21:20:03	Earnestly	absinthium: \ in the shell is a quote, \x is the same as 'x' which is the same as x
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2024-08-01 21:25:09	absinthium	Namarrgon: 6.10.2-arch1-1
2024-08-01 21:25:10	absinthium	              linux 6.10.2.arch1-1
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2024-08-01 21:25:25	Namarrgon	"ls -l /dev/mapper"
2024-08-01 21:25:34	Namarrgon	you probably messed up the name
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2024-08-01 21:26:30	absinthium	lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 08-01-2024 14:03 Remote\x20Backups -> ../dm-1
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2024-08-01 21:27:15	Namarrgon	quote the path or use the dm-1 link directly or use one of the /dev/disk/ links
2024-08-01 21:27:42	Namarrgon	maybe change the label
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2024-08-01 21:32:39	absinthium	Using the /dev/disk link didn't work, but using /dev/dm-1 did. The label never posed an issue before. I wonder what happened.
2024-08-01 21:33:06	Namarrgon	/dev/disk is a directory
2024-08-01 21:33:20	luca0N	Earnestly: wouldn't \x20 resolve to 0x20 which is a space character?
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2024-08-01 21:33:48	luca0N	the space character byte, that is
2024-08-01 21:33:55	absinthium	Yes.
2024-08-01 21:34:13	absinthium	Eshell does that automatically when I auto-complete. I did try without it though and quoting the path as well.
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2024-08-01 21:40:12	Earnestly	luca0N: No, by the time any command sees the command-line it'll already be gone during quote removal
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2024-08-01 21:41:03	luca0N	yes, the shell resolves the character escape before passing it to the kernel
2024-08-01 21:41:11	Earnestly	luca0N: fstab(5) itself specifically supports octal notation with a leading \ but that's not the same as the shell
2024-08-01 21:41:14	luca0N	unless you're wrapping it with single quotes
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2024-08-01 21:42:43	Earnestly	It's not really related to the kernel, the shell will construct a command-line (argv) when passing it to execve. It removes quotes during this process. https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html#tag_18_06_07
2024-08-01 21:42:45	phrik	Title: Shell Command Language (at pubs.opengroup.org)
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2024-08-01 21:43:10	Earnestly	And yes, literal quotes preserve the literal meaning of everything between them without any way to escape it
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2024-08-01 21:44:00	Earnestly	(But mount doesn't interpret \x in its arguments either)
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2024-08-01 21:45:50	absinthium	To be clear, when quoting the path I did remove any \ and x20.
2024-08-01 21:45:58	Earnestly	So if the string is 'Remote\x20Backups' then absinthium's eshell needs to either resolve that as 'Remote\x20Backups' or Remote\\x20Backups
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2024-08-01 21:46:29	Earnestly	(Assuming eshell follows posix quoting rules)
2024-08-01 21:47:44	absinthium	Ah, yes, the double backslash seemed to work.
2024-08-01 21:48:01	absinthium	For use when not quoting.
2024-08-01 21:48:10	Earnestly	It is quoting, \ is a quote
2024-08-01 21:48:23	Earnestly	\\ quotes \ which is the same as '\' which is the same as \
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2024-08-01 21:51:37	monkfish	Earnestly: the 2024 edition is up, by the way. I wonder whether shellhaters.org will be updated.
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2024-08-02 03:36:28	zayd	what's the package for whatever the command is that lets you encode to .ape? do i just use extra/audio-convert?
2024-08-02 03:38:01	zayd	or does ffmpeg allow that now that ape is open source?
2024-08-02 03:58:47	zayd	ok i believe it should be extra/mac
2024-08-02 05:25:10	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-02 06:20:47	chikuwasuka	hello all, after doing my usual monthly maintenance tasks my wm is suddenly having problems. .xinitrc still exists, but it does not execute - only the bare wm opens. 
2024-08-02 06:21:54	chikuwasuka	none of the updates were anything core to the display, wm, or xorg. i rebooted because half my windows crashed with an obscure error message (i think it said something about a javascript exception).
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2024-08-02 06:24:54	lolok	got any unaddressed .pacnew files?
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2024-08-02 06:26:53	chikuwasuka	lolok - that's the same thought i had, but i'm not knowledgeable enough to know why. i had five to merge and did so. iirc - bluez, sudoers (edited with visudo rather than merging), locale, mirrorlist, bashrc. the last one feels the most suspicious.
2024-08-02 06:27:09	chikuwasuka	i already tried restoring the old bashrc from a backup and it didn't fix the issue.
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2024-08-02 06:30:52	lolok	you can do something like `find /etc -mtime -1` to list all the files that were changed in /etc [if the update was in the least day] that may give you some more places to look at least
2024-08-02 06:31:00	lolok	last*
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2024-08-02 06:34:42	chikuwasuka	huh, thank you. i see nothing unexpected (the five new config files, plus some stuff from packages that updated today) but i will try a few other things. i'll be back in ~10 minutes or so.
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2024-08-02 06:40:34	chikuwasuka	so it was the sudoers file at fault. i can't say i understand how it had anything to do with startx being nonfunctional, but commenting out one of the new defaults it added fixed the problem.
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2024-08-02 06:40:53	lolok	also maybe something in your xorg log worth reading
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2024-08-02 06:43:40	chikuwasuka	i did read it, and didn't find much, but i think i'm going to go do a lot of reading about how startx works :P
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2024-08-02 07:24:59	noobaroo	why is wayfire not in official repos?
2024-08-02 07:25:32	noobaroo	its been around for a long time, its definitely more mature than hyprland which is in official repos
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2024-08-02 07:30:10	Edu4rdSHL	noobaroo, because no one wants to maintain it?
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2024-08-02 07:30:32	Edu4rdSHL	That's usually the reason
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2024-08-02 07:43:45	noobaroo	Edu4rdSHL that's basically like you just answered "because"
2024-08-02 07:45:28	noobaroo	I guess I will rephrase. why do Arch maintainers choose to package hyprland but not wayfire?
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2024-08-02 07:50:10	Edu4rdSHL	Because they want
2024-08-02 07:50:39	Edu4rdSHL	They decide what to adopt and what not, based on personal decisions of the maintainer
2024-08-02 07:51:10	Edu4rdSHL	So, basically: one maintainer wanted to maintain hyprland because he used it or for $resons, but nobody wants to maintain wayfire
2024-08-02 07:51:15	Edu4rdSHL	That's it
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2024-08-02 08:06:33	noobaroo	Edu4rdSHL So there's no technical reason like wayfire is too buggy or incompatible libraries, etc? Just personal preference?
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2024-08-02 08:19:42	noobaroo	Edu4rdSHL if you don't know, its okay to say you dont know
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2024-08-02 08:43:46	archdemon	noobaroo: he told you why
2024-08-02 08:44:59	lolok	hes saying there doesnt have to be a technical reason to explain why its not there. that doesnt imply that theres no reason, but youd otherwise be waiting forever for an answer if so
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2024-08-02 08:58:20	noobaroo	archdemon He did mention personal decisions, but I asked for clarification afterward.
2024-08-02 08:59:07	noobaroo	lolok yeah... seems that there is no technical reason, just personal decisions
2024-08-02 08:59:27	sweatiest	You are welcome to become an arch maintainer
2024-08-02 09:01:59	noobaroo	sweatiest i have trouble compiling stuff for my own use, i have spent days trying to compile something before.
2024-08-02 09:02:26	noobaroo	But even if I was smarter, I don't think it's that easy to become an Arch maintainer. We are not talking about the AUR here
2024-08-02 09:03:29	noobaroo	On top of all that I still haven't figured out how to use `install` command on directories. Seems like the only want that it works is on files
2024-08-02 09:03:59	Edu4rdSHL	-t ?
2024-08-02 09:04:49	noobaroo	Doesn't work for me
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2024-08-02 09:06:09	lolok	i dont think anyone made the choice to not include it, rather it just isnt popular among maintainers, so they didnt think to include it
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2024-08-02 09:18:18	madprops	how do I fix: `gpg: keyserver receive failed: Server indicated a failure`    ?
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2024-08-02 09:22:31	Edu4rdSHL	madprops, depends.
2024-08-02 09:22:35	Edu4rdSHL	What are you trying to do?
2024-08-02 09:22:40	Edu4rdSHL	Namarrgon, you're using it wrong then
2024-08-02 09:22:47	madprops	install something from the aur, Edu4rdSHL 
2024-08-02 09:22:52	Edu4rdSHL	Oops, wrong tab
2024-08-02 09:23:00	Edu4rdSHL	Was for noobaroo
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2024-08-02 09:23:05	madprops	ah
2024-08-02 09:23:08	Edu4rdSHL	madprops, what
2024-08-02 09:23:12	Edu4rdSHL	Exactly
2024-08-02 09:23:37	madprops	chatgpt suggests to add it manually: gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys <key-id>
2024-08-02 09:23:41	madprops	but why ubuntu server?
2024-08-02 09:25:35	grawity	because it's one of the few keyservers that don't run SKS
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2024-08-02 09:25:52	grawity	I think it runs Hockeypuck
2024-08-02 09:26:10	grawity	and also it's not hosted in someone's basement (in terms of uptime/stability)
2024-08-02 09:26:45	grawity	which used to matter less when there was a dynamic pool of keyservers, but when you have to suggest a specific one, might as well suggest one with decent uptime
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2024-08-02 09:27:02	grawity	so all that leads to it being a *very* commonly suggested keyserver in forum posts etc.
2024-08-02 09:27:11	madprops	well it doesn't seem to have that particular key
2024-08-02 09:27:22	grawity	whose key?
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2024-08-02 09:28:12	madprops	librewolf-bin
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2024-08-02 09:29:05	grawity	definitely exists on the ubuntu keyserver
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2024-08-02 09:29:13	madprops	hmm
2024-08-02 09:29:17	grawity	└ gpg --recv-key 662E3CDD6FE329002D0CA5BB40339DD82B12EF16
2024-08-02 09:29:19	grawity	gpg: key 40339DD82B12EF16: public key "LibreWolf Maintainers <gpg@librewolf.net>" imported
2024-08-02 09:29:22	grawity	https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?search=662E3CDD6FE329002D0CA5BB40339DD82B12EF16&fingerprint=on&op=index
2024-08-02 09:29:23	phrik	Title: Search results for '0x662E3CDD6FE329002D0CA5BB40339DD82B12EF16' (at keyserver.ubuntu.com)
2024-08-02 09:29:42	grawity	I copypasted from the pkgbuild's validpgpkeys=
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2024-08-02 09:30:26	madprops	https://bpa.st/5GKQ
2024-08-02 09:30:27	phrik	Title: View paste 5GKQ (at bpa.st)
2024-08-02 09:30:34	madprops	could this be a firewall issue?
2024-08-02 09:30:46	grawity	yes if you have a HTTPS-inspecting firewall
2024-08-02 09:31:06	grawity	actually
2024-08-02 09:31:23	grawity	no, it's a more general HTTPS issue
2024-08-02 09:31:29	grawity	either with gpg/dirmngr or with the keyserver
2024-08-02 09:31:50	grawity	oh, d'oh
2024-08-02 09:32:07	grawity	I think it wants hkps:// instead of https://
2024-08-02 09:32:21	grawity	plain https:// makes it just fetch the URL and expect the key to be there, like with --fetch-key
2024-08-02 09:32:41	grawity	while hkp:// or hkps:// (or none) actually causes it to do the correct query
2024-08-02 09:32:42	madprops	if i use that protocol it says " Server indicated a failure"
2024-08-02 09:33:07	grawity	add a '--debug ipc' to see what kind of response you get
2024-08-02 09:34:06	madprops	https://bpa.st/STFA
2024-08-02 09:34:08	phrik	Title: View paste STFA (at bpa.st)
2024-08-02 09:34:25	madprops	this is with: gpg --keyserver "hkps://keyserver.ubuntu.com" --debug ipc --recv-keys "662E3CDD6FE329002D0CA5BB40339DD82B12EF16"
2024-08-02 09:34:26	grawity	curl -v 'https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?op=get&options=mr&search=0x662E3CDD6FE329002D0CA5BB40339DD82B12EF16' > librewolf.pgp
2024-08-02 09:34:33	grawity	what do you get from that
2024-08-02 09:35:05	madprops	i get lots of output
2024-08-02 09:35:15	madprops	< HTTP/1.1 200 OK
2024-08-02 09:35:54	madprops	is the command im using correct?
2024-08-02 09:35:56	grawity	if it looks like it worked, 1) I have no idea why gpg refuses to work, probably some dirmngr dumbassery, but 2) you can now `gpg --import librewolf.pgp` and continue with the package
2024-08-02 09:35:58	madprops	could it be me having ufw rules?
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2024-08-02 09:36:10	grawity	for hkp maybe but not for hkps
2024-08-02 09:36:17	grawity	since hkps uses the same https port
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2024-08-02 09:37:31	madprops	what the hell
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2024-08-02 09:37:45	madprops	even with ufw disabled it happens
2024-08-02 09:38:07	grawity	I'd say "kill dirmngr and restart it in debug mode"
2024-08-02 09:38:15	grawity	since dirmngr is what handles the keyserver comms in modern gpg
2024-08-02 09:38:22	madprops	what else does it do?
2024-08-02 09:38:29	grawity	literally only that
2024-08-02 09:38:35	madprops	that's a strange name
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2024-08-02 09:38:59	grawity	"directory manager" because originally it handled key retrieval from LDAP-style directories
2024-08-02 09:39:12	madprops	ok i'll try
2024-08-02 09:40:01	glitsj16	madprops: for the record, and unrelated to this issue, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unofficial_user_repositories#archlinuxcn offers librewolf
2024-08-02 09:40:05	phrik	Title: Unofficial user repositories - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-08-02 09:40:52	madprops	dirmngr[3961794.5]: command 'KS_GET' failed: Server indicated a failure <Unspecified source>
2024-08-02 09:40:52	madprops	dirmngr[3961794.5]: DBG: chan_5 -> ERR 219 Server indicated a failure <Unspecified source>
2024-08-02 09:40:52	madprops	dirmngr[3961794.5]: DBG: chan_5 <- BYE
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2024-08-02 09:41:27	madprops	glitsj16, what is archlinuxcn ?
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2024-08-02 09:42:57	glitsj16	madprops: it's one of several repo's that offers binary packages
2024-08-02 09:42:57	madprops	oh chinese repo
2024-08-02 09:43:44	grawity	there should be some lines above that, regarding the failure
2024-08-02 09:44:05	madprops	full: https://bpa.st/QSIA
2024-08-02 09:44:06	phrik	Title: View paste QSIA (at bpa.st)
2024-08-02 09:44:50	glitsj16	not limited to china though, offers a very wide selection of AUR packages so you can integrate it in pacman instead of building manually
2024-08-02 09:46:36	grawity	idk, try --debug-level expert
2024-08-02 09:46:39	grawity	or --debug-level guru
2024-08-02 09:46:58	grawity	does it do the same with plaintext hkp:// ?
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2024-08-02 10:05:37	madprops	grawity, im using guru, and same with hkp
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2024-08-02 10:08:12	Edu4rdSHL	madprops, `ping keyserver.ubuntu.com`, which IP do you get?
2024-08-02 10:08:40	madprops	PING keyserver.ubuntu.com (185.125.188.27) 56(84) bytes of data.
2024-08-02 10:08:55	madprops	only one message though
2024-08-02 10:09:03	madprops	it usually spits out multiple i think?
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2024-08-02 10:09:20	Edu4rdSHL	It's fine, they dont allow ping
2024-08-02 10:09:27	Edu4rdSHL	But you're resolving to the right IP
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2024-08-02 10:10:28	susi	heh, I typoed com -> co... there's something there
2024-08-02 10:12:28	grawity	madprops: well, did the earlier curl command at least download the key into librewolf.pgp?
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2024-08-02 10:13:03	madprops	yes
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2024-08-02 10:15:14	madprops	but i'll try to get to the bottom of this
2024-08-02 10:15:20	madprops	because it's a worrysome symptom
2024-08-02 10:15:25	grawity	right
2024-08-02 10:15:44	grawity	that's probably the point where I fire up strace and/or wireshark
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2024-08-02 10:19:05	madprops	i fixed thanks to TheAmigo :)   https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=276969
2024-08-02 10:19:07	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] gpg importing keys error: Server indicated a failure / AUR Issues, Discussion & PKGBUILD Requests / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2024-08-02 10:19:50	madprops	i just made that symlink
2024-08-02 10:19:56	Edu4rdSHL	So, you did not configured your system properly
2024-08-02 10:20:03	madprops	i guess :(
2024-08-02 10:20:06	Edu4rdSHL	Because that symlink is expected to exist
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2024-08-02 10:20:29	Edu4rdSHL	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-resolved#DNS
2024-08-02 10:20:30	phrik	Title: systemd-resolved - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-08-02 10:22:02	Edu4rdSHL	Anyways, interesting find, I have seen that issue here some times before
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2024-08-02 10:44:45	stewi	Is it possible that wayland magically installs itself and replaces X11?
2024-08-02 10:44:54	stewi	With plasma
2024-08-02 10:45:05	grawity	no
2024-08-02 10:45:19	stewi	If not then I need to see a psychologist.
2024-08-02 10:46:19	stewi	I'm on wayland, but I was certain I was using x
2024-08-02 10:46:25	Dworin	your question might be: Is it possible that plasma silently installs wayland. Installing always needs a password, so that's not possible. If wayland is already installed plasma may silently change backend, who knows?
2024-08-02 10:46:40	grawity	if you imagine a package having supernatural powers to just show up unannounced...
2024-08-02 10:47:08	stewi	I never intended to switch to wayland.
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2024-08-02 10:47:31	stewi	I'm incredibly confused.
2024-08-02 10:47:45	stewi	The system is over 3 years old.
2024-08-02 10:47:48	grawity	plasma, on the other hand, did intend to switch to wayland
2024-08-02 10:48:11	stewi	Ok, so plasma has pulled the rug from under me.
2024-08-02 10:48:12	grawity	though in the end it depends on your Display Manager as to which mode it chooses
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2024-08-02 10:49:42	gromit	stewi: I think plasma made the default session wayland with the latest major, but you ofc need to have everything installed in order for that to work
2024-08-02 10:50:42	stewi	Ok, good to know.
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2024-08-02 11:07:43	raster	Dworin: "wayland" never gets installed. there is no "wayland" to go install.
2024-08-02 11:08:05	raster	plasma may choose to uses its own wayland implementation ...
2024-08-02 11:08:13	raster	that might be more accurate
2024-08-02 11:08:33	Dworin	right, thanks for that raster
2024-08-02 11:08:33	raster	that all depends on how it may be launched (login manager - something else?)
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2024-08-02 11:10:25	Dworin	there is https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/wayland/ though but you can hardly have a graphical install without it, I guess.
2024-08-02 11:10:28	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - wayland 1.23.0-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
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2024-08-02 11:10:47	raster	so plasma may have its wayland implementation/support enabled in the arch packages now (i don't know - i didnt check) and may install xsession and./or wayland session desktop files appropriately to offer both or only wayland (check) .. this assumes you have some login manager launching plasma at graphical login and using the wayland session instead of the x11 one (thus it runs no xserver, no
2024-08-02 11:10:47	raster	DISPLAY env var etc. 
2024-08-02 11:10:48	raster	etc. and plasma knows it should run as a wayland compositor in kms/drm mode)
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2024-08-02 11:11:39	stewi	raster, my display variable is actually set. Part of what threw me for a loop.
2024-08-02 11:12:09	raster	Dworin:  those are libraries ... libraries dont rubn - thery are just extra binary pre-comopiled code linked in at runtime and are like any other libs.
2024-08-02 11:12:20	stewi	I was trying to call Xlib's XGetImage, which of course doesn't work on wayland.
2024-08-02 11:12:24	raster	stewi: its probably set by plasma for xwayland compat
2024-08-02 11:12:29	Dworin	the question was about install, not about run
2024-08-02 11:12:32	raster	ie plasma is your display server
2024-08-02 11:12:46	raster	it owns/controls the screen, input devices etc.
2024-08-02 11:13:00	raster	it will launch a child process xwayland "rootless xserver"
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2024-08-02 11:13:53	raster	xwayland has no visible root window (in std usage) and is used to allow x processes to talk to it and create x windows as normal then xwayland talks to the wayland compositor (plasma) to create native wayland surfaces matching each x11 toplevel window created etc. etc.
2024-08-02 11:14:15	raster	Dworin: the question was based on "i'm running in wayland"
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2024-08-02 11:15:14	raster	so the question is premised on a runtime environment, not library dependencies.
2024-08-02 11:15:45	Dworin	raster: not going to argue about non-issues, thank you
2024-08-02 11:15:58	raster	Dworin: it's an issue.
2024-08-02 11:16:31	Dworin	16:44 <stewi> Is it possible that wayland magically installs itself and replaces X11?
2024-08-02 11:16:49	stewi	TBH I could have worded that a bit better.
2024-08-02 11:16:51	Dworin	there is no run in there, only install. have a nice day.
2024-08-02 11:17:02	raster	people have no clue how wayland works as a general basis. they think its like a 1:! drtop-in for x .. and its not. its very different. they get confused about it and make all sorts of assumptions that are not valid as a result.
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2024-08-02 11:18:12	Ingar	the latest plasma incarnations are mighty unstable
2024-08-02 11:18:39	stewi	What confuses me, is that plasma's spectacle seems to use the same API that doesn't work at all for me to take screenshots. https://github.com/KDE/spectacle/blob/e35f15df5bbe37319bebe3b9610c5fd16b7c4a1d/src/Platforms/ImagePlatformXcb.cpp#L422
2024-08-02 11:18:41	raster	Dworin:  if you want to think wayland vs x112 =-= "remove all x11 libraries and only now install wayland libraries" then it's a fundamentally flawed view. it's all based on what is run at runtime and in what way/mode etc.
2024-08-02 11:18:56	Ingar	I've locked up my desktop a few times with drag'n'drop operations
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2024-08-02 11:20:01	stewi	Oh nevermind, it also has a KWin api.
2024-08-02 11:20:42	raster	yeah - it couldnt use x11 protocol to do a screenshot of a kms wl compositor - it'd need an alternate method.
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2024-08-02 11:36:07	Accelerator	hi , i've a question for Arch users, on a virtual machine, wich is the most lighter, arch or Mint  ?
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2024-08-02 11:38:44	gromit	Accelerator: that is a question which cannot really be answered, as there is no default arch install in the sense as there is with mint
2024-08-02 11:39:01	gromit	Accelerator: also lighter on what? RAM, disk ...? 
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2024-08-02 23:00:21	lutherann	anyone here use kitty as their terminal emulator and can help me out with something?
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2024-08-02 23:01:25	socksinspace	just ask your question, it will only take longer if you wait to ask until someone says yes
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2024-08-02 23:01:46	lutherann	https://pastebin.com/Yx2DXVpB
2024-08-02 23:01:46	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XO3X.txt
2024-08-02 23:01:47	phrik	Title: new_tabcd ~new_tabcd ~launch weechat - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2024-08-02 23:02:11	lutherann	shouldn't this open two tabs, one with a terminal sitting at ~ and the other tab with weechat open?
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2024-08-03 00:11:05	LanDi	can someone help me with this: "zenity: error while loading shared libraries: libappstream.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
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2024-08-03 00:13:38	mpan	LanDi: hello. Please provide the output of: `pacman -Q zenity appstream`.
2024-08-03 00:15:02	LanDi	mpan: zenity 4.0.2-1
2024-08-03 00:15:02	LanDi	appstream 1.0.3-1
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2024-08-03 00:16:38	mpan	LanDi: and pacman -Q libadwaita    ?
2024-08-03 00:17:22	LanDi	mpan: libadwaita-git 1.4.beta+25+g8daf4ccb-1
2024-08-03 00:18:12	mpan	LanDi: you have a 3rd party package that needs to be rebuilt, because its dependencies have changed.
2024-08-03 00:18:49	LanDi	mpan: hmm
2024-08-03 00:19:22	LanDi	mpan: can I reinstall all yay packages with one command?
2024-08-03 00:19:49	mpan	Not using yay, so I can’t help with that.
2024-08-03 00:19:59	LanDi	ok, thanks anyway
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2024-08-03 00:30:07	javashin	hello 
2024-08-03 00:30:42	mpan	javashin: hello
2024-08-03 00:30:58	javashin	i have a question any reason or bad config can cause that vulkan to be slower than opengl ?
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2024-08-03 00:31:41	⚡ 	mpan doesn’t know. Perhaps somebody else will, tho.
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2024-08-03 01:37:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-03 01:37:06	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1383 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1382 regular)
2024-08-03 00:51:01	i_am_wololo	hello guys
2024-08-03 00:51:04	i_am_wololo	any regulars here?
2024-08-03 00:51:34	i_am_wololo	oh wait
2024-08-03 00:51:39	i_am_wololo	no ones online apparently
2024-08-03 00:52:55	LanDi	i_am_wololo: what is the issue?
2024-08-03 00:55:14	i_am_wololo	nvm LanDi, i was just wondering why no one had a "voice" here
2024-08-03 00:55:33	i_am_wololo	like the + thing that shows next to a username
2024-08-03 01:37:06	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-08-03 01:37:08	lmat	I use VOIP for my home telephone. I have an Analog Telephone Adapter for my home phone, but I just moved my computer into a room without a telephone jack.
2024-08-03 01:37:17	lmat	What is a good soft phone to use with my VOIP service?
2024-08-03 01:37:48	lmat	I don't care so much about bells and whistles; I just need to be able to place and make calls, and I would like something pretty light-weight. I use irssi, rtorrent, and vim.
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2024-08-03 11:46:58	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-03 01:48:27	thingy	lmat: is a soft phone the same thing as a SIP client? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications/Internet#SIP_clients
2024-08-03 01:48:28	phrik	Title: List of applications/Internet - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-08-03 03:48:27	lmat	aur's blink-bin is not the "binary" version of aur's blink. Is that allowed?
2024-08-03 04:04:33	Namarrgon	That is almost never the case.
2024-08-03 04:04:54	Namarrgon	It's also unmaintained.
2024-08-03 04:35:02	khionu	Hi, I'm having an issue with boot-time decryption of my LUKS drive. The crypttab-generated unit times out, and because the device being decrypted is the root, the logs don't get saved and the emergency shell is inaccessible. I'm not sure what more I can do before digging out my USB serial cable. These are all the things I could think to grab from
2024-08-03 04:35:03	khionu	my system (I can manually attach/chroot from archiso), please let me know if there's anything more to get. Thanks in advance. https://gist.github.com/khionu/1f2d5483a4f65a92b8d0915acc5fa918
2024-08-03 04:39:35	Namarrgon	Do you get prompted for the luks passphrase?
2024-08-03 04:40:09	khionu	No, no prompt of any kind
2024-08-03 04:40:18	khionu	Though for the record, I'm using FIDO2
2024-08-03 04:40:48	Namarrgon	Switch to the manual passphrase until you get that working.
2024-08-03 04:41:24	khionu	Switch?
2024-08-03 04:42:27	Namarrgon	You don't have a fallback slot with a passphrase?
2024-08-03 04:42:50	khionu	I do, but there's a way to specify which slot?
2024-08-03 04:43:01	Namarrgon	Remove the fido2 setup
2024-08-03 04:43:31	Namarrgon	from crypttab
2024-08-03 04:43:52	khionu	Alrighty, one sec
2024-08-03 04:47:35	khionu	Just need to rerun mkinitcpio, right? Still not prompting
2024-08-03 04:47:50	Namarrgon	What about the fallback initramfs?
2024-08-03 04:48:21	khionu	I don't have a boot entry for that, what would it do for me in this situation?
2024-08-03 04:48:33	Namarrgon	It would skip the autodetect hook.
2024-08-03 04:48:53	khionu	Huh, alrighty. Will try
2024-08-03 04:51:27	Gnana	nmaskram, what book you recommend if i want to learn more about linux? 
2024-08-03 04:51:53	Gnana	i want to do more practical 
2024-08-03 04:55:00	khionu	Same behaviour
2024-08-03 05:04:33	khionu	any other ideas Namarrgon?
2024-08-03 05:05:06	Namarrgon	khionu: Did you change the mkinitcpio presets?
2024-08-03 05:05:15	khionu	Nope
2024-08-03 05:09:21	Namarrgon	Can you post the "lsinitcpio /boot/initramfs-linux-lts.img" output?
2024-08-03 05:09:43	khionu	Sure, one min
2024-08-03 05:12:26	khionu	At the bottom, updating the same gist https://gist.github.com/khionu/1f2d5483a4f65a92b8d0915acc5fa918
2024-08-03 05:14:00	Namarrgon	When you umount /boot, is /boot empty?
2024-08-03 05:15:35	khionu	Yup
2024-08-03 05:16:17	Namarrgon	Try using the kernel parameters instead of the crypttab
2024-08-03 05:16:19	khionu	Actually had another issue related to that earlier, not boot but another mount
2024-08-03 05:16:35	khionu	Will try
2024-08-03 05:25:38	khionu	Same behavior
2024-08-03 05:27:09	Namarrgon	What did you add?
2024-08-03 05:27:20	Namarrgon	And did you remove the crypttab.initramfs?
2024-08-03 05:28:16	khionu	rd.luks.name=<UUID>=luksRoot, and I tried with and without rd.luks.options=<UUID>=fido2-device=auto. And yes, I removed it, then reran mkinitcpio
2024-08-03 05:28:31	Namarrgon	What happens when you boot?
2024-08-03 05:29:12	khionu	Same behaviour, I get to the autogenerated unit and gpt-auto-detect-something, and they timeout. No prompts
2024-08-03 05:29:33	khionu	Did forget to mention there was another unit pending, but I figure the second was blocked on the first?
2024-08-03 05:29:57	Namarrgon	which unit?
2024-08-03 05:30:18	khionu	Let me rerun it, was switching back to archiso
2024-08-03 05:30:45	khionu	It's one of the ones that autodetects filesystems for gpt tables
2024-08-03 05:31:42	khionu	"A start job is running for /dev/gpt-auto-root" and "A start job is running for /dev/disk/by-uuid/<UUID>"
2024-08-03 05:31:54	khionu	And the root is on that partition
2024-08-03 05:32:18	Namarrgon	That doesn't make much sense since your root fs is not on a gpt partition
2024-08-03 05:32:48	Namarrgon	Do the zfs hooks add fstab entries?
2024-08-03 05:33:14	Namarrgon	Remove all the zfs hooks from mkinitcpio.conf and rebuild the images.
2024-08-03 05:34:00	khionu	I'm a bit confused. This is definitely pre-fstab territory, since it hasn't even decrypted my drive, right?
2024-08-03 05:34:43	Namarrgon	The initramfs has an fstab, usually empty.
2024-08-03 05:34:52	Namarrgon	Yours might not be.
2024-08-03 05:35:16	khionu	Huh. Maybe I should extract the image instead of rebuilding with different hooks?
2024-08-03 05:35:53	Namarrgon	Get rid of the hooks first, i have no idea what they do.
2024-08-03 05:36:39	Namarrgon	Did you follow the zfs page on the wiki to set this up?
2024-08-03 05:37:02	khionu	I had to bounce around quite a bit, came into this install with an existing ZFS on LUKS setup
2024-08-03 05:37:13	khionu	But yes, I referred to the Arch wiki the entire time
2024-08-03 05:37:27	Namarrgon	Where did you move the setup from?
2024-08-03 05:37:48	khionu	NixOS, but I purged everything but /home
2024-08-03 05:40:24	khionu	And I do mean everything, all datasets destroyed, boot partition reformatted
2024-08-03 05:40:37	Namarrgon	boot partition?
2024-08-03 05:40:48	Namarrgon	The ESP?
2024-08-03 05:41:42	khionu	 /boot is on a separate partition from the LUKS partition. ESP is in /boot/ESP
2024-08-03 05:41:54	Namarrgon	wat
2024-08-03 05:42:17	Namarrgon	How do you copy the kernel and initramfs to the ESP?
2024-08-03 05:42:44	khionu	bootctl figured it out?
2024-08-03 05:43:13	khionu	This is how I've done boot partitions for Arch since I tried it in.... 2018?
2024-08-03 05:43:19	Namarrgon	Arch and mkinitcpio keep the kernel and initramfs in /boot unless you do something about it.
2024-08-03 05:43:43	Namarrgon	Which fs type is mounted to /boot?
2024-08-03 05:43:56	khionu	Sorry, I'm tired
2024-08-03 05:44:05	khionu	 /boot is my ESP
2024-08-03 05:44:19	khionu	I was confused by the EFI directory
2024-08-03 05:44:23	Namarrgon	... okay, get rid of the zfs hooks.
2024-08-03 05:44:34	khionu	Working on it
2024-08-03 05:48:50	khionu	Same behaviour. I removed the ZFS module and sd-zfs. Everything else was not zfs-specific
2024-08-03 05:50:22	khionu	Just fyi, it takes me a minute to switch from testing to arch-chroot. Have to load in eoli3n's ZFS stuff, then decrypt, import the zpool, mount, then chroot
2024-08-03 05:52:57	Namarrgon	Can you post the "lsblk -fo +parttype" output from outside the chroot, after you mounted everything?
2024-08-03 05:54:29	khionu	Sure, one sec
2024-08-03 05:58:48	khionu	Same gist again, at the bottom https://gist.github.com/khionu/1f2d5483a4f65a92b8d0915acc5fa918
2024-08-03 06:00:57	khionu	Weird, just noticed it doesn't show the zfs mounts, but they are there
2024-08-03 06:03:01	Hawson	'evening
2024-08-03 06:03:11	khionu	o/
2024-08-03 06:03:35	Hawson	Looks like I'm not the only one with EFI boot issues tonight. :-(
2024-08-03 06:03:47	Hawson	<hugs>
2024-08-03 06:04:14	khionu	Well, I'd call this more a init issue
2024-08-03 06:04:35	khionu	Which doubly sucks for me, because I've been working on a custom init at work for the last.... 3 months
2024-08-03 06:04:46	Hawson	Trade you? :)
2024-08-03 06:05:19	khionu	Issues? Sure, lol. Jobs? No, I love my team, first time I've been able to say that earnestly
2024-08-03 06:05:31	khionu	Oops, sorry there
2024-08-03 06:05:55	Hawson	actually, <scrolls back> looks like our problems are similar.  EFI+LUKS
2024-08-03 06:06:30	Hawson	nah, we can keep our jobs. :)
2024-08-03 06:08:14	khionu	Namarrgon, did you get a chance to see the output?
2024-08-03 06:09:10	Namarrgon	Are arch.conf and mkinitcpio.conf up to date?
2024-08-03 06:09:42	khionu	No, let me update those, sorry
2024-08-03 06:11:53	khionu	Now it is
2024-08-03 06:12:58	jab416171	chromium isn't very responsive when I use wayland + sway, anyone else have this issue? any ideas how to fix it?
2024-08-03 06:13:36	Edu4rdSHL	jab416171, did you set the required flags for it to run natively on wayland?
2024-08-03 06:14:10	jab416171	I was just looking at the wiki for that Edu4rdSHL, I assume those should help? :)
2024-08-03 06:14:31	Edu4rdSHL	Without them you aren't running chrome on wayland, so yes
2024-08-03 06:14:50	Namarrgon	khionu: According to the lsblk output you use the wrong uuid for luks
2024-08-03 06:15:51	jab416171	I suppose I should start with --ozone-platform-hint=auto
2024-08-03 06:16:25	Edu4rdSHL	Yes
2024-08-03 06:17:20	khionu	That does appear to be it. No idea how I missed that four times, but I'll fix and let you know how it goes
2024-08-03 06:17:20	jab416171	xwininfo doesn't detect it now, I suppose that's a good sign
2024-08-03 06:18:06	Hawson	khionu: I've had that problem. :-(
2024-08-03 06:19:33	Edu4rdSHL	jab416171, it should be a lot more responsive now
2024-08-03 06:19:41	jab416171	yeah this is way better, cheers
2024-08-03 06:19:52	jab416171	only thing now is when I maximize with super+f I can't see tabs anymore :/
2024-08-03 06:20:35	Edu4rdSHL	You may need to add --enable-features=UseOzonePlatform,WaylandWindowDecorations to the list of flags
2024-08-03 06:21:09	jab416171	hm, I was searching for a way to maximize without full screen with sway
2024-08-03 06:25:01	jab416171	hm that change didn't seem to do anything
2024-08-03 06:29:14	khionu	It prompted for my pin and seems to have successfully fixed it, but I'm having some other issue now. I think I can work on this on my own for a bit, but thank you very much Namarrgon
2024-08-03 06:37:45	Hawson	Have a different one now.  Or maybe the same...?   Laptop.  Uses EFI.  Worked until earlier today when I ran `pacman -Syu`.  The / partition is LUKS encrypted.  There is an /efi partion.  I *used* to have a /boot partition, but it isn't used (or even mounted) anymore.
2024-08-03 06:38:00	Hawson	I'll pastein specifics in a moment.
2024-08-03 06:38:30	Hawson	I'm not set on GRUB, and that can/should be replaced, I'm fine with that.
2024-08-03 06:40:26	Hawson	https://termbin.com/ckbl
2024-08-03 06:43:45	Hawson	fstab is at https://termbin.com/015c
2024-08-03 06:49:33	noobaroo	does anyone know how to format keycodes in linux console .map files?
2024-08-03 06:50:38	noobaroo	i tried to do string F107 = then used ctrl+v and hit shift+ctrl+left, then put quotes around the sequence 
2024-08-03 07:25:01	Brazhh	i can’t have librewolf with audio on archlinux with pipewire, what can i do?
2024-08-03 07:31:51	dandels	i'm pretty sure that worked fine when i tested librewolf a few days ago
2024-08-03 07:33:38	noobaroo	i did it
2024-08-03 07:34:29	⚡ 	Hawson may never use grub again.
2024-08-03 07:34:32	socksinspace	🎉
2024-08-03 07:35:15	noobaroo	Hawson why not?
2024-08-03 07:35:37	socksinspace	Hawson: didbit break or did you find efistub?
2024-08-03 07:35:39	noobaroo	anyone here ever tried using a Unified Kernel Image ?
2024-08-03 07:35:51	noobaroo	Or is it called efistub?
2024-08-03 07:36:35	socksinspace	not sure if those are the same thing
2024-08-03 07:37:56	socksinspace	but it should work for efi+luks either way, since luks gets handled by the initramfs
2024-08-03 07:40:33	Gnana	eww bar not compliing
2024-08-03 07:40:58	arcturus	yes, i use a UKI
2024-08-03 07:41:39	Gnana	check this out http://pastie.org/p/53iVbFfQMVcgUdqr5dHyFo
2024-08-03 07:41:41	phrik	Title: Pastie (at pastie.org)
2024-08-03 07:41:53	Gnana	folowing this https://elkowar.github.io/eww/
2024-08-03 07:41:53	phrik	Title: Eww - Widgets for everyone! - eww documentation (at elkowar.github.io)
2024-08-03 07:42:23	noobaroo	arcturus  do you recommend it? 
2024-08-03 07:42:49	arcturus	it is claimed that there are security benefits
2024-08-03 07:43:01	arcturus	user experience wise, i dont see a significant different
2024-08-03 07:43:10	arcturus	difference*
2024-08-03 07:43:29	noobaroo	I tried setting grub timeout to 0, thinking I could hold down the shift key to get the boot menu if I wanted (like in Ubuntu). Apparently that needs special configuration
2024-08-03 07:44:12	noobaroo	UKI is kernel+initramfs in one file?
2024-08-03 09:44:00	skdsk	are there tools for failsafe partial updates?
2024-08-03 09:44:38	rcf	Not really, no. 
2024-08-03 09:45:09	rcf	You can examine dependencies yourself and decide to go for it regardless, of course. 
2024-08-03 11:11:43	skdsk	so tedious -- just updated pacman and broke 3 packages
2024-08-03 11:12:19	skdsk	if wget had been broken too, I were royally screwed
2024-08-03 11:27:56	snappy	skdsk: i've had pacman itself break, had to get a pacman-static to restore things
2024-08-03 11:28:34	snappy	ah well, i agreed to this wild ride
2024-08-03 11:32:03	Earnestly	I've never had pacman break
2024-08-03 11:32:53	sshine	I booted up my gamer laptop after more than half a year, and packages were all broken. decided to wipe the system because it had been collecting dust anyways. turns out it runs hot because it really has been gathering dust.
2024-08-03 11:33:41	Ingar	how can packages be all broken on a system you didn't touch ?
2024-08-03 11:34:33	sshine	what I meant was, running pacman -Syu failed, presumably because the binary cache is outdated.
2024-08-03 11:35:15	sshine	there were package maintainer signature problems. seems like I would have to reinstall pacman.
2024-08-03 11:35:26	sshine	the packages themselves were fine, but I was unable to update.
2024-08-03 11:35:36	Ingar	of you haven't update in ages, the first thing you update is the keyring
2024-08-03 11:35:58	sshine	that makes sense. I didn't know. :)
2024-08-03 11:36:04	Ingar	it usually fixes 99% of the issues in such cases
2024-08-03 11:36:28	Ingar	sshine: yeah I learned that the hard way ;)
2024-08-03 11:37:01	sshine	I did a backup and wiped the system. I've been in the mood of experimenting with installing systems anyways, since I got a job where that's part of it.
2024-08-03 11:37:40	Ingar	installing a new arch system is fun anyway!
2024-08-03 11:38:14	sshine	I've been experimenting with NixOS lately. but the common denominator is disk partitioning, FDE and remote unlocking.
2024-08-03 11:41:41	sshine	I've seen some examples of how you can put an sshd in your initrd for the unlocking.
2024-08-03 11:43:14	sshine	but my friend and local zfs ambassador says LUKS has other modes than password-based.
2024-08-03 11:45:39	sshine	er. why would my zfs friend recommend LUKS-based encryption when zfs has native encryption... well.
2024-08-03 11:46:48	sshine	ah, FDE.
2024-08-03 11:46:58	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-03 11:48:17	sshine	maybe I should install arch on this thing again. it was surprisingly painless compared to NixOS, hahaha.
2024-08-03 11:49:07	Ingar	atm I'm mostly playing around with arch ARM, so my use case is a bit different ;-)
2024-08-03 11:49:19	sshine	when I did the backup, I noticed filenames scrolling by, e.g. minecraft mods. I realized: on this computer, I just did things. I didn't start off by asking, "I wonder how this program in particular is installed". I just put things on the computer and ran them.
2024-08-03 11:49:50	sshine	ok. I'm actually playing around with Raspberry Pi disk images, too, so cross-compiling things to aarch64. have been doing that for two years because of an embedded job.
2024-08-03 11:50:00	Ingar	miecraft is already an exception as it just has all its files in a directory
2024-08-03 11:50:19	sshine	yep, it was just "dump these here, run minecraft, play."
2024-08-03 11:50:34	sshine	with NixOS it feels a little bit like a project doing anything.
2024-08-03 11:50:45	Ingar	Microsoft wanted me to transfer my Mojang account
2024-08-03 11:50:50	Ingar	and then locked my MS account
2024-08-03 11:50:52	Ingar	so screw them
2024-08-03 11:51:03	sshine	I guess it was like that with Arch in the beginning too. it's just... "the beginning" of running a no-nonsense Linux is... decades ago.
2024-08-03 11:51:39	sshine	I objected because of the MS account thing for a while. then I transferred. now I'm getting these "someone wants to access your MS account" scam login attempts once a day in my junk inbox.
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2024-08-03 11:52:25	sshine	I guess avoiding Microsoft authentication to play the latest Minecraft shouldn't be too difficult.
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2024-08-03 11:52:58	Ingar	oth, quitting minecraft will free up a lot of spare time to do something useful
2024-08-03 11:53:44	sshine	sure, it can get addictive.
2024-08-03 11:53:58	sshine	I was playing Compact Claustrophobia.
2024-08-03 11:54:24	Ingar	I went into astrophotography :p
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2024-08-03 11:55:22	sshine	haha, cool
2024-08-03 11:55:28	sshine	didn't know it existed
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2024-08-03 14:59:51	glitsj16	mingdao: if you haven't found it yet... that screenshot reminded me of https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/galculator/
2024-08-03 14:59:53	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - galculator 2.1.4-9 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
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2024-08-03 15:06:38	phrik	Title: galculator - a GTK 2 / GTK 3 algebraic and RPN calculator (at galculator.mnim.org)
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2024-08-03 15:16:39	glitsj16	mingdao: Welcome :) Without window decorations its harder indeed. For what it's worth, the menu structure and labeling seems to fit.
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2024-08-03 21:48:25	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-03 21:45:33	Warepire	lufalas: The debian configuration is broken as pointed out in the comments, the Arch configuration is on paper correct. I don't think it's the same bug, just something showing a similar symptom.
2024-08-03 21:46:53	Warepire	What I wanted to see was if the command line requirements have changed, invoking gdb with the same command line as drkonqi uses will determine that.
2024-08-03 21:48:26	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-03 21:54:37	lufalas	Warepire: I don't know what command drkonqi uses. When there is a bug, a popup appears with the option to send the report or view the information. When you click on the latter, you see the crash report and that's where the debuginfo text appears.
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2024-08-03 21:56:10	Warepire	You can find the gdb process with 'ps aux | grep gdb', then note the pid (second column), then 'cat /proc/<pid>/cmdline'. Then try to invoke that cmdline yourself.
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2024-08-03 21:56:51	Warepire	(while the gdb process is running)
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2024-08-03 22:05:10	lufalas	Warepire: I get the pid but there's no file in /proc/<pid>. The crash information happens too fast. I can only get the pid. 'no such file or directory' for the next command.
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2024-08-03 22:06:34	Warepire	Ah. In the meantime I was looking around for other ways to determine the command line. I found the config file for the gdb backend. https://github.com/KDE/drkonqi/blob/master/src/data/debuggers/internal/gdbrc
2024-08-03 22:09:31	Warepire	If you run "gdb --nw --nx --batch --init-eval-command='set debuginfod enabled on' --command=bt -p <pid of something you don't mind attaching to>", does it use debuginfod? 
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2024-08-03 22:10:47	Namarrgon	Juest: Which packages?
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2024-08-03 22:15:36	lufalas	Warepire: I got "ptrace: Operation not permitted." and "warning: bt: No such file or directory". I dont know if I'm doing it correctly.
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2024-08-03 22:20:44	lufalas	Warepire: I attached to Firefox. I got a lot of "Downloading separate debug info for /usr/lib/firefox/firefox..." There's no mention about debuginfo.
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2024-08-03 22:21:30	Warepire	And if you do the same thing without the --init-eval-command part?
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2024-08-03 22:22:50	MrElendig	Juest: post actual output
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2024-08-03 22:24:03	Juest	:: installing pipewire-pulse (1:1.2.2-1) breaks dependency 'pulseaudio' required by paprefs
2024-08-03 22:24:03	Juest	:: installing pipewire-pulse (1:1.2.2-1) breaks dependency 'pulseaudio' required by pulseaudio-module-xrdp
2024-08-03 22:24:03	Juest	:: installing pipewire-pulse (1:1.2.2-1) breaks dependency 'pulseaudio' required by rustdesk
2024-08-03 22:24:06	lufalas	Warepire: The same debuginfo input that shows drkonqi. "Enable debuginfod for this session? (y or [n]) [answered N; input not from terminal] Debuginfod has been disabled."
2024-08-03 22:24:44	Warepire	lufalas: Interesting, so it determines that it doesn't support symbol downloading...
2024-08-03 22:25:19	MrElendig	!give Juest mirrorstatus
2024-08-03 22:25:20	phrik	Juest: Check the status of the mirrors here: https://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/status/
2024-08-03 22:25:27	MrElendig	Juest: and update that aur package
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2024-08-03 22:25:57	MrElendig	and you are doing -Syu and not -Sy foobar right?
2024-08-03 22:26:38	Juest	yes i am doing -Syu
2024-08-03 22:27:17	MrElendig	can probably get rid of pulseaudio-module-xrdp
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2024-08-03 22:27:54	Juest	that's for getting pulseaudio compatible streams working on xrdp, even with pipewire
2024-08-03 22:28:40	MrElendig	Juest: there is a similar plugin for pipewire
2024-08-03 22:28:41	Juest	everything is up to date and im using a known good arch mirror
2024-08-03 22:29:00	Juest	yeah i have that installed as well, does the pipewire plugin cover pipewire-pulse stuff?
2024-08-03 22:29:17	MrElendig	Juest: paprefs depends on pulse-native-provider which pipewire-pulse provides
2024-08-03 22:29:31	MrElendig	as for the rest, update them
2024-08-03 22:29:59	MrElendig	and if they aren't fixed in aur, leave a comment about that and optionally fix them yourself locally while you wait for the maintainer to ignore you
2024-08-03 22:30:01	Juest	okay thanks
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2024-08-03 22:33:05	Warepire	lufalas: Make sure you have enabled Download Symbols in the configuration for drkonqi, it's a recent addition and it's defaulting to false.
2024-08-03 22:33:22	Warepire	(despite the commit message saying they default to on....)
2024-08-03 22:33:57	Warepire	*runtime configuration
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2024-08-03 22:40:07	lufalas	Warepire: 'Automatically download debug symbols to enhance crash reports', right?
2024-08-03 22:40:25	Warepire	Probably.
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2024-08-03 22:41:44	Warepire	https://github.com/KDE/drkonqi/commit/7dc886f463fe0a9e4cb82644a4838547d48bf631 It was new in 6.1.3
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2024-08-03 22:49:19	lufalas	Warepire: Dont work. I check the checkbox and hit the reload button but same result. I tried to put 'set debuginfod enabled on' in the .gdbinit file but same result.
2024-08-03 22:50:16	Warepire	--nx means to ignore all .gdbinit files
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2024-08-03 22:51:52	lufalas	Warepire: I didn't know. I'm not familiar with gdb.
2024-08-03 22:52:29	Warepire	I'm decently familiar with gdb, but not with drkonqi.
2024-08-03 22:54:59	Warepire	There are only 3 checks to determine to download symbols. 1st is WITH_GDB12 being defined, 2nd is that this config key exists in their gdbrc file: ExecWithSymbolResolution, and 3rd is that you enabled symbol downloading.
2024-08-03 22:55:18	Warepire	Arch configuration takes care of the first one.
2024-08-03 22:55:39	Warepire	Arch also doesn't do any modification to the shipped gdbrc file.
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2024-08-03 23:08:36	lufalas	Warepire: Is it possible that the option is TRUE instead of ON? In the CMakeLists.txt file it defaults to false so it should be true, right? https://invent.kde.org/plasma/drkonqi/-/blob/master/CMakeLists.txt
2024-08-03 23:08:38	phrik	Title: CMakeLists.txt · master · Plasma / DrKonqi · GitLab (at invent.kde.org)
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2024-08-03 23:41:58	lufalas	Warepire: Having the checkbox in a new crash popup, it doesn't ask anymore. I assume it is using debuginfod.
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2024-08-04 15:00:46	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-04 14:36:49	af	Hi, has anyone tried compiling https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc-stage2 locally? It's currently failing for me with reference failures to functions in libiberty (https://w.awalgarg.me/d/1Cjz8TV3P).
2024-08-04 14:37:35	af	more generally, is there is a good and trusted way to procure pre-compiled gcc cross compilation toolchains on arch?
2024-08-04 14:39:48	BrainDamage	aarch64-linux-gnu-gcc in the main repos for aarch64
2024-08-04 14:40:17	af	Ah nice. In this case I need arm 32bit :(
2024-08-04 14:46:01	bluetail	!alarm
2024-08-04 14:46:01	phrik	#archlinuxarm
2024-08-04 14:46:08	bluetail	you are in the wrong place.
2024-08-04 14:46:18	Namarrgon	you didn't read the question
2024-08-04 14:46:41	bluetail	my bad, was too spread apart
2024-08-04 14:47:42	another|	have you cansidered clang?
2024-08-04 14:49:56	af	I tried but it doesn't seem to be working for compiling ffmpeg. I am in deep waters here and just trying everything. Not very experienced with cross-compiling for arm.
2024-08-04 14:59:59	socksinspace	bootlin has prebuilt targeting toolchains most things that can run linux, or you can fairly easily build your own with their tooling which is just buildroot
2024-08-04 15:00:29	socksinspace	might have screwed up my word order a little bit there, but you can see what i want to say
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2024-08-04 15:47:42	wuzado	question that I've been pondering on for a while: why does Arch Linux use mkinitcpio instead of dracut?
2024-08-04 15:48:21	Foxboron	wuzado: mkinitcpio predates dracut as a project
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2024-08-04 15:50:19	wuzado	Foxboron: makes sense. not like Arch didn't change primary technologies in the past, though
2024-08-04 15:50:56	Foxboron	wuzado: Sure, but for what reason? The main dracut project died after the maintiners left the project in limbo, and how now recently been forked as dracut-ng
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2024-08-04 15:51:38	wuzado	Foxboron: no reason, just pondering.
2024-08-04 15:51:38	Foxboron	The structure of dracut doesn't allow it to be used in a similar fashion as mkinitcpio, which means you would need a wholesale move from the current libalpm hooks to the kernel-install setup that most other distros uses
2024-08-04 15:51:58	Foxboron	At that point the initrd generator would be completely pluggable
2024-08-04 15:52:12	Foxboron	s/how/have/
2024-08-04 15:52:34	Foxboron	The code quality of dracut is also trash
2024-08-04 15:52:47	Foxboron	mkinitcpio is a more maintainable codebase, even with less test coverage
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2024-08-04 15:54:31	wuzado	that makes sense, and are all valid reasons to stay with mkinitcpio - not like I'm really suggesting a move to dracut at all
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2024-08-04 15:56:40	wuzado	realistically, the question doesn't go much further than dealing with dracut at RHEL-based work and wondering why Arch uses a different mechanism for initrd creation
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2024-08-04 15:57:21	Foxboron	History
2024-08-04 15:57:21	wuzado	well, initramfs, technically
2024-08-04 15:57:44	Foxboron	mkinitcpio is a project written by Arch for Arch. dracut was an attempt by Fedora to create an initrd generator with buy-in from other distros
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2024-08-04 17:41:15	Wheezy	!paste
2024-08-04 17:41:15	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-08-04 17:43:55	Wheezy	!0x0
2024-08-04 17:43:56	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
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2024-08-04 18:01:47	printfdebugging	HI!, how can I increase the mouse's scrolling resolution?
2024-08-04 18:02:06	printfdebugging	It scrolls a chunk in one tick of the scrollwheel's rotation
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2024-08-04 18:05:57	astralc	search "scrolling speed" where you can configure mouse (aka - it depend on wm/de/compositor) - unless you have something like logitech mouse, where some of the mice have this configuration in solaar
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2024-08-04 18:09:08	astralc	s/is//
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2024-08-04 19:13:13	reactormonk	I'm reinstalling Arch onto an old laptop of mine, the boot menu still has "grub" and "Arch Linux" entries, so I suspect it should be EFI, but when booting via USB, ls /sys/firmware doesn't show any efi, is there something I can do to coax which way it leans? I installed it via MBR boot, with a 1MB gap at the beginning (GPT), set the partition type / flag according to the installation
2024-08-04 19:13:13	reactormonk	instructions, but the system doesn't wanna load grub at all. I'd 
2024-08-04 19:13:15	reactormonk	prefer to get the EFI stuff set up, but I'll settle for BIOS, so I can have something boot.
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2024-08-04 19:14:21	Namarrgon	If you wanted efi then you shouldn't have installed into the mbr.
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2024-08-04 19:14:55	reactormonk	Namarrgon: Currently on the live system, no efi in /sys/firmware, so I guess there's no EFI?
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2024-08-04 19:18:41	Namarrgon	Either boot the iso in UEFI mode or install grub to the default loader path on the ESP.
2024-08-04 19:19:06	Namarrgon	Look up whether the laptop supports UEFI.
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2024-08-04 19:36:32	reactormonk	Looks like it should, as someone got macos running on it (thinkpad x260)
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2024-08-04 19:38:37	reactormonk	Oh, disabled in bios, duh
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2024-08-04 20:54:21	dumpster	why isn't LibreWolf in the repo?
2024-08-04 20:54:53	reactormonk	Does bootctl have an option to write itself into the EFI boot selection? Doesn't show up there.
2024-08-04 20:55:18	reactormonk	Somehow bootctl install doesn't seem to do that
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2024-08-04 20:56:55	astralc	reactormonk: install does do that > "The boot loader is then added to the top of the firmware's boot loader list."
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2024-08-04 20:59:10	reactormonk	astralc: doesn't seem to be able to set ESP information
2024-08-04 20:59:25	Namarrgon	dumpster: There are two reasons why packages aren't in the repos, for legal reasons or because nobody wants to maintain them.
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2024-08-04 21:00:22	rcf	reactormonk: you can do it manually per https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot#Manual_entry_using_efibootmgr
2024-08-04 21:00:23	phrik	Title: systemd-boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-08-04 21:00:29	astralc	so add it manually with efibootmgrmanually 
2024-08-04 21:00:47	reactormonk	The entry seems to exist
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2024-08-04 21:02:10	astralc	"Linux Boot Manager"?
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2024-08-04 21:02:32	reactormonk	Yeah, exactly. cleaned up some other ones as well.
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2024-08-04 21:03:45	reactormonk	huh wtf, I deleted the old entries, ut somehow they still show up in the boot menu ?!?
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2024-08-04 21:04:50	astralc	some entries are auto generated (e.g. for disks)
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2024-08-04 21:05:16	reactormonk	Nah, some old Arch Linux and grub entries
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2024-08-04 21:06:18	hazeyez	hey i downloaded arch's "slim" .box virtualbox image, decompressed it and loaded up the virtualbox vm. it's prompting me for a user/pass that i cannot find. sorry to be a newb, i know i have a lot of reading to do and someone suggested i use arch install, i'm seeing i might need to "chroot" after mounting the image? i didn't get that option. if i can just get a little direction on this i'll 
2024-08-04 21:06:18	hazeyez	be good mostly to figure out the rest
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2024-08-04 21:06:45	heat	does "root" work?
2024-08-04 21:07:03	hazeyez	root:root, root:<no_pass> does not work
2024-08-04 21:07:13	hazeyez	arch:<no_pass> does not work
2024-08-04 21:07:17	astralc	arch:arch
2024-08-04 21:07:19	astralc	?
2024-08-04 21:07:29	heat	wait, what image are you talking about?
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2024-08-04 21:08:04	hazeyez	arch:arch == no. etc, whatever i find on google
2024-08-04 21:08:05	hazeyez	Arch-Linux-x86_64-virtualbox-20240801.250900.box
2024-08-04 21:08:27	heat	one of these: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/arch-boxes ?
2024-08-04 21:08:28	phrik	Title: Arch Linux / arch-boxes · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-08-04 21:08:56	hazeyez	yes, the slim virtual box .box image
2024-08-04 21:09:15	hazeyez	decompressed with `tar -xzvf xxx.box` and loaded it into virtualbox
2024-08-04 21:09:47	reactormonk	astralc: rebooted into live, removed old entries via efibootmgr, added new one with bootctl install, let's see if it sticks this time
2024-08-04 21:10:16	arztareef	is bootctl a greater alternative though
2024-08-04 21:10:30	arztareef	you couldve changed the bootorder using efibootmgr though
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2024-08-04 21:10:43	reactormonk	it's got exactly one entry now
2024-08-04 21:11:20	reactormonk	boot order looks good to
2024-08-04 21:12:08	reactormonk	Nope, EFI var changes are ignored
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2024-08-04 21:12:29	Dweezahr	hazeyez: vagrant
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2024-08-04 21:12:48	hazeyez	Dweezahr: yeah i wanted to avoid that, i guess i shouldnt have eh?
2024-08-04 21:12:52	hazeyez	lol
2024-08-04 21:13:02	heat	you could also just install it manually :)
2024-08-04 21:13:20	hazeyez	heat: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VirtualBox/Install_Arch_Linux_as_a_guest
2024-08-04 21:13:21	hazeyez	?
2024-08-04 21:13:21	phrik	Title: VirtualBox/Install Arch Linux as a guest - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-08-04 21:13:34	hazeyez	i guess that'd be it
2024-08-04 21:13:51	heat	uhh, just follow the normal installation guide
2024-08-04 21:14:16	heat	then later install virtualbox-guest-utils and it should be a-ok
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2024-08-04 21:14:58	hazeyez	hmm, okay - so all the way from "Beginning" ? - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide#
2024-08-04 21:14:59	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-08-04 21:15:10	heat	yes
2024-08-04 21:15:25	heat	grab the .iso
2024-08-04 21:15:26	hazeyez	gotcha thanks i'll see how big of a hole i can dig myself into here
2024-08-04 21:15:59	hazeyez	okay so that'd involve the iso not .box, makes sense. 
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2024-08-04 21:16:09	hazeyez	thanks gents
2024-08-04 21:16:33	Dweezahr	hazeyez, the pwd is vagrant
2024-08-04 21:16:33	heat	cheers
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2024-08-04 21:17:19	hazeyez	Dweezahr: `vagrant:vagrant` worked.. i'm in! perfect thank you
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2024-08-04 21:20:32	iwalkalone	greetings can someone help me out please. I cannot see my tty terminals. it's just a black screen no fonts.
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2024-08-05 02:04:55	hazeyez	i guess im officially an arch linux user
2024-08-05 02:04:59	⚡ 	hazeyez cries
2024-08-05 02:05:07	hazeyez	that only took ALL DAY! lol
2024-08-05 02:05:27	mpan	Welcome to the Arch side.
2024-08-05 02:05:56	virtualsid	hazeyez: you did better than me. I started one evening, realised this was not a simple install, and ended up finishing it two days later :P
2024-08-05 02:08:28	Caleb|	hazeyez: at least you got it done
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2024-08-05 02:09:12	hazeyez	well, i guess i shouldnt count my chickens before they hatch... i made it to the desktop....
2024-08-05 02:09:15	hazeyez	;D
2024-08-05 02:09:36	hazeyez	now its just a matter of packages and customization
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2024-08-05 02:11:51	Caleb|	ohh the desktop is what you want it means you did something right
2024-08-05 02:12:08	virtualsid	^^ this - that was my marker too ;)
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2024-08-05 02:14:14	Caleb|	hazeyez: now the fun starts
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2024-08-05 17:27:40	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-05 17:49:35	wrycode	Anyone have recommendations for a library that helps split or iterate unicode text by character (including grapheme clusters)? Been looking around a lot , still looking, there are a ton of different libraries but a lot seem to bury this functionality deep in the library if it's there at all
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2024-08-05 17:51:27	sshine	wrycode, not sure... many mature programming languages just let you sequence Unicode strings by characters. not sure I've seen chunking by clusters as an explicit feature, but I think it's something you could somewhat easily compose.
2024-08-05 17:51:54	wrycode	oh dang I asked in the wrong channel. Yeah totally, it's a non-issue in many languages
2024-08-05 17:51:58	sshine	wrycode, e.g. Haskell's Data.Text, or Rust's String, they should be fairly Unicode-friendly at this point.
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2024-08-05 17:52:10	wrycode	I'm using C++ :(
2024-08-05 17:52:12	sshine	ha ok
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2024-08-05 18:32:35	demonicmaniac1	sshine: grapheme and combined chars are still an issue pretty much everywhere tho
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2024-08-05 18:34:14	demonicmaniac1	grapheme clusters are clusters of unicode code points that make up one actual character
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2024-08-05 18:35:10	demonicmaniac1	so if you want to go by character you have to consider grapheme cluster boundary rules which neither rust string nor haskell data.text provide - they just treat text as unicode code points but that - again - does not contain grapheme clusters :)
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2024-08-05 19:33:22	thingy	Am I correct in thinking that it is safe to install packages via "pacman -S pkgname" AFTER doing a "pacman -Syu" ? The wording on the wiki page (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_maintenance#Partial_upgrades_are_unsupported) seems to prohibit "pacman -Sy pkgname" which to me looks like a "apt-get update;apt-get install pkgname" which I considered to be safe unless I'm missing something
2024-08-05 19:33:22	thingy	about what -S actually does.
2024-08-05 19:33:23	phrik	Title: System maintenance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-08-05 19:33:48	Warepire	thingy: Yes, it's safe.
2024-08-05 19:34:20	Warepire	The dangerous part is doing "-Sy <pkg>" when no mirror carries the package version you asked for anymore.
2024-08-05 19:34:34	Warepire	Then you should -Syu first.
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2024-08-05 19:35:52	thingy	Warepire: ok, thanks for the confirmation
2024-08-05 19:36:03	gehidore	thingy -S until mirrors fail and -Syu as long as you pay attention to the output and news works fine for me for literal years on multiple machines
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2024-08-05 19:37:21	thingy	gehidore: ok
2024-08-05 19:37:41	⚡ 	Warepire uses a similar approach, and also tries to get a -Syu in about once a month.
2024-08-05 19:37:48	gehidore	there's that too
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2024-08-05 19:38:22	gehidore	also wise to be paying attention to anything you installed from aur any time you send out a -Syu
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2024-08-05 19:38:46	Warepire	Right, this too ^
2024-08-05 19:39:15	thingy	gehidore: I intend to avoid AUR. Everything I need are on the core and extra repos.
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2024-08-05 19:39:27	gehidore	I used to believe that too :P
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2024-08-05 19:39:47	gehidore	I've kept it to 13 packages though
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2024-08-05 19:56:15	chikuwasuka	i have a pleasant 28 packages from the AUR, will be less once nvidia fixes their driver
2024-08-05 19:56:38	chikuwasuka	if it goes much higher i might actually consider an AUR helper, but i like updating manually
2024-08-05 19:58:12	demonicmaniac1	so just read about the bsod on winders with nvidia 56x driver since they dropped no popcnt cpu support - i assume that affects the linux side as well?
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2024-08-05 23:44:52	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-05 23:44:52	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1404 nicks (1 op, 0 voiced, 1403 regular)
2024-08-05 21:03:37	snappy	made a huge changeup today, switched my vps server from ubuntu lts to arch, main reason was just sick of dealing with snap crap
2024-08-05 21:05:26	snappy	wish i could have the vps run on btrfs or bcachefs though, would be real handy to have compression
2024-08-05 21:12:16	gromit	snappy: why don't you make it run on btrfs or bcachefs? :)
2024-08-05 21:13:24	thingy	and yet you chose the name snappy
2024-08-05 21:16:37	snappy	hm my vps provider does have some instructions to do it, ah well i've kind of got things working now, i'll look into it if i run out of space again
2024-08-05 21:27:28	hazeyez	anyone run mullvad browser on arch?
2024-08-05 22:11:45	user9600	hi
2024-08-05 22:13:36	MaZED_UP	Is it possible to craete two partitions in one luks container: btrfs + ntfs (the latter for windows 10 kvm)
2024-08-05 22:18:20	demure	MaZED_UP: I would assume you could have lvm's under a luks, with different filesystems. I haven't tried though
2024-08-05 22:42:58	susi	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#LVM_on_LUKS
2024-08-05 22:42:59	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Encrypting an entire system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-08-05 22:44:42	Betal	MaZED_UP: given this ntfs will be only read by VM Windows, you can use LVM like demure said, if some real Windows need to read this NTFS, it would need to understand LUKS->LVM->NTFS
2024-08-05 22:45:16	grawity	if it's to be read by a VM, do you even need a separate partition?
2024-08-05 22:45:22	grawity	as opposed to a disk image file
2024-08-05 22:45:52	Betal	VM image in btrfs is not that good, and if using raid, +C can cause caos
2024-08-05 22:50:17	Edu4rdSHL	Which "caos"?
2024-08-05 22:50:21	Edu4rdSHL	It works just fine here
2024-08-05 22:51:54	Betal	Edu4rdSHL: enable +C, corrupt one of the disks in the raid, btrfs will respond from (random device), we don't know if it comes from corrupt or the correct, given +C disable the checksum
2024-08-05 22:53:05	grawity	isn't it the same with regular non-btrfs raid
2024-08-05 22:54:33	MaZED_UP	Can I use parted instead?
2024-08-05 22:54:45	grawity	instead of what?
2024-08-05 22:55:12	Betal	grawity: without raid we only have one copy (the answer is always the same, corrupt or not), with raid we can have two different copies if one becomes corrupt
2024-08-05 22:55:32	grawity	Betal: yeah, and isn't it the same with regular non-btrfs raid?
2024-08-05 22:57:12	Betal	grawity: ah, you mean like mdadm, I did read non-raid btrfs
2024-08-05 22:57:47	MaZED_UP	grawity: .. instead of lvcreate
2024-08-05 23:01:27	Betal	MaZED_UP: you want parted to create the Windows partitions inside this "ntfs LV"?
2024-08-05 23:03:44	Betal	MaZED_UP: you need lvcreate to create the LV and use it as a block device, else you can't use the LVM at all
2024-08-05 23:04:31	MaZED_UP	I see
2024-08-05 23:06:38	MaZED_UP	Maybe I should let Windows installer handle formatting the LV. I mean I shouldn't format it manually as ntfs using mkfs.
2024-08-05 23:09:56	Betal	MaZED_UP: depends what you want to do, do you want files to be in host too? maybe mkfs and share with samba (or something)?
2024-08-05 23:13:51	MaZED_UP	No I want to keep it simple: btrfs volume for linux and ntfs volume for windows VM.
2024-08-05 23:13:51	MaZED_UP	But regarding the second volume, I'll keep it unformatted and see if virt-manager/libvirt can detect it. If not I'll format it later.
2024-08-05 23:17:16	MaZED_UP	Alright guys thanks for your help
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2024-08-06 02:53:32	lachesis	hey just reporting back from a few days ago - i replaced my nvidia geforce 1070 ti with a 3090 & repeated my upgrade to nvidia 555.58.2 and linux 6.10.3. everything seems to work now
2024-08-06 02:53:51	lachesis	so i bet there was an actual bug somewhere in the new driver & kernel's support for the older generation of cards
2024-08-06 04:04:34	BrandonArnold	Hey all. Has anyone gotten a DisplayLink dock working on Wayland? I have a Plugable USB C 3.0 one with dual DisplayPort out. Followed all the instructions (mainly installed displaylink and evdi-git, rebooted, and made sure the displaylink service was running)
2024-08-06 04:05:18	BrandonArnold	But sway isn't outputting to the external monitors. It works if I plug them directly in via USB C HDMI adapters
2024-08-06 04:05:46	BrandonArnold	I can see in `dmesg` that evdi loaded and references card0 and card3 which seems promising.
2024-08-06 04:05:59	BrandonArnold	But there's no xrandr / arandr angle here in Wayland, I think, so that's all I've got to go on.
2024-08-06 04:06:44	BrandonArnold	All the other USB stuff plugged into the dock works, just not the DisplayPort outputs
2024-08-06 04:13:34	espresso	BrandonArnold: Hi! so you may have checked at issues there (https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues?q=is%3Aissue+DisplayLink )..
2024-08-06 04:14:38	espresso	BrandonArnold: `swaymsg -t get_outputs` according to Sway wiki
2024-08-06 04:23:01	BrandonArnold	espresso: Thanks for sharing that. Looks like they just send everyone to `wlroots` or `amd`.
2024-08-06 04:49:39	Strykar	lachesis: what was the issue? My 1080s have zero problems, I don't have 1070s anymore tho
2024-08-06 05:25:08	sweatiest	lachesis: That's interesting. What was the problem?
2024-08-06 06:52:21	lachesis	my previous report: i'm having a heck of a time with crashes on nvidia 555 / linux 6.10. i'm using X11 not wayland, on a geforce 1070. firefox, alacritty, wezterm, and mpv all crash. oddly everything works fine for about 3 seconds after the desktop env starts up - any process i launch in that time works. after that, all crash.
2024-08-06 06:52:43	lachesis	error from logs: segfault at 2 ip 00007e166d4a4d85 sp 00007ffccd4fd110 error 4 in libnvidia-glcore.so.555.58.02
2024-08-06 06:52:51	lachesis	this post seems relevant: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=29742
2024-08-06 06:52:52	phrik	Title: ogmrip doesn't rip / Multimedia and Games / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-08-06 06:53:26	lachesis	linux 6.9.3 with nvidia 550.90.07-1 worked great with the 1070
2024-08-06 06:53:35	lachesis	sorry wrong link above, lost the trailing 7:  https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=297427
2024-08-06 06:53:37	phrik	Title: Nvidia issues after updating driver to version 555 / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-08-06 06:53:44	kode54	why are you still running 6.9.3?
2024-08-06 06:53:50	lachesis	literally just explained that?
2024-08-06 06:53:55	kode54	no
2024-08-06 06:53:58	kode54	I just joined in
2024-08-06 06:54:16	kode54	let me read the backlog
2024-08-06 06:54:54	lachesis	i'm on 6.10.3 now but i had to upgrade to a nvidia geforce 3090 to make that work. my 1070 had issues with 6.10 and nvidia 555.
2024-08-06 06:55:03	kode54	heh
2024-08-06 08:11:55	Bebef	Hi everyone o/
2024-08-06 08:13:12	Bebef	I'm using plymouth with bgrt and have two issues that I couldn't find an answer to. First, I don't get the BIOS logo when I see the disk decryption passphrase prompt. Second, the font (when hitting ESC) is proportional rather than monospace, which looks very odd.
2024-08-06 08:40:02	raghavgururajan	Hello Folks! What would be right way to securely wipe a SD card? I read (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Securely_wipe_disk) but it covers HDD and SDD, not SD. 
2024-08-06 09:00:17	phrik	Title: Securely wipe disk - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-08-06 09:14:21	raghavgururajan	mingdao: Ah! Okay, that section lists the issues with Flash Memory but doesn't say which tool to be used for SD Cards. If I consider https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Solid_state_drive/Memory_cell_clearing, I guess hdparm and nvme doesn't apply to SD. That leaves me with blkdiscard.
2024-08-06 09:15:48	raghavgururajan	Unless, section 6 applies to any storage?
2024-08-06 09:20:09	raghavgururajan	`BLKSECDISCARD ioctl failed: Operation not supported`. I guess blkdiscard doesn't work for SD cards.
2024-08-06 09:21:51	raghavgururajan	I could use `dd` or `shred`. My concern is about its use on Flash Memory. Wouldn't the rounds of write operations affect the endurance of flash memory?
2024-08-06 09:23:31	ponies	im not a data scientist but in general a simple reformat would wipe the card sufficiently that no data can be recovered
2024-08-06 09:24:33	raghavgururajan	I see. I;m selling my SD card. That's why I'm being cautious.
2024-08-06 09:24:43	ponies	And i say this because about a decade or more ago there was an reward offered to scientists who could recover data from hdds. Well, they couldn't do that, because they coudldn't identify any residue on the platter after format 
2024-08-06 09:29:31	mkoskar	raghavgururajan: you don't need rounds, just one round
2024-08-06 09:30:25	BrainDamage	with electric memory it's a bit different because blocks can be remapped
2024-08-06 09:30:25	mkoskar	and no simple reformat isn't sufficient ofc
2024-08-06 09:31:44	BrainDamage	sdcards don't use neither sata nor nvme, so you cannot use those specific protocols there
2024-08-06 09:36:30	ponies	well essentially, and to reiterate my point: modern electronics are so sensitive that overwriting that data makes it impossible to discern what was on their before. Ghost bits are a thing of the past 
2024-08-06 09:37:06	ponies	5:36 woooo 
2024-08-06 09:37:11	gehidore	ponies that's so far from true
2024-08-06 09:37:28	ponies	well you probably know something i dont
2024-08-06 09:37:47	gehidore	I regularly recover stuff from sd cards, ssds, and hdd's that aren't visible to any regular file manager 
2024-08-06 09:38:02	BrainDamage	gehidore: those aren't overwritten bits
2024-08-06 09:38:25	gehidore	I'm not talking about simply deleted files
2024-08-06 09:38:45	BrainDamage	the problem is not that overwritten data, the problem is that modern electric memory handling has multiple layers of indirection which remaps data over different sectors
2024-08-06 09:38:54	ponies	if you can shred them, and find them again, i think you get a blank cheque
2024-08-06 09:39:05	gehidore	throw a shred or /dev/random file creation and yeah they're generally not going to get anything
2024-08-06 09:39:06	susi__	if one wants to securely erase an SD flash card, is it even doable since the controller may do their mapping magics?
2024-08-06 09:39:10	BrainDamage	which means that data isn't necessarily overwritten even when you shred
2024-08-06 09:39:39	gehidore	but I've done both and recovered files which one wouldn't want recovered in testing
2024-08-06 09:39:49	mkoskar	ponies: tbf, reformat as you called it generally doesn't mean overwrite
2024-08-06 09:40:06	mkoskar	or rather "simple reformat"
2024-08-06 09:40:08	BrainDamage	susi_: no, for the reason I mentioned
2024-08-06 09:40:11	gehidore	that said I misread what ponies was saying as well
2024-08-06 09:40:25	gehidore	well partially
2024-08-06 09:40:46	ponies	yeah when i said simple format, i didn't mean 'quick format' i meant: one simply write 0 to every bit. 
2024-08-06 09:40:59	ponies	whether or not that is possible, i no longer am certain 
2024-08-06 09:42:24	alwyn	How can I add a wifi driver to the arch installer? And: how do I figure out which driver I need exactly? 😅
2024-08-06 09:43:16	gromit	alwyn: what do you mean? Is your wifi chip not working with the default configuration? 
2024-08-06 09:43:28	gromit	alwyn: or is this about how you would connect to a wifi network?
2024-08-06 09:43:52	alwyn	gromit: no wifi adapter shows up in the arch installer
2024-08-06 09:44:09	alwyn	laptop without ethernet
2024-08-06 09:44:35	gehidore	most recently I was provided a samsung class 10 micro sd card which had been formatted in windows and then had a terabyte of data written to it making it effectively 100% full. I was still able to carve out 9.4G of photos and 1 video of what the owner said was about 200G of mixed documents pictures and video, and those are just the complete files. there was another 60G+ of partials that had
2024-08-06 09:44:37	gehidore	enough intact elements to show degraded photo/video/document etc
2024-08-06 09:45:55	gehidore	for giggles after I threw one pass of dd from /dev/random at it and there was maybe 50 intact images left, 3 passes in total and I couldn't get anything 
2024-08-06 09:46:28	susi	what was the procedure to extract and identify these leftovers?
2024-08-06 09:46:39	gehidore	a fucking headache is what
2024-08-06 09:46:54	alwyn	gromit: so in short, no, my wifi chip doesn't appear to be working with the default configuration :)
2024-08-06 09:46:59	gehidore	actually photorec got most the pictures that were complete
2024-08-06 09:47:10	BrainDamage	gehidore: again, that doesn't mean much, controllers remap blocks
2024-08-06 09:47:29	BrainDamage	there's even spare blocks that are used that are not accounted in the memory
2024-08-06 09:47:59	BrainDamage	it only further demonstrates that when you shred data, the data isn't necessarily overwritten in electric memories
2024-08-06 09:48:22	BrainDamage	but it doesn't demonstrate that once a block has written over, that the original data is still readable
2024-08-06 09:48:24	raghavgururajan	mkoskar: I see. Thanks!
2024-08-06 09:51:40	BrainDamage	you could even write 10x the nominal capacity, and there's no guarantee to know that every block has been overwritten without having the full code of the controller firmware to confirm that
2024-08-06 09:53:16	BrainDamage	data extraction competitions usually employ special firmwares that don't do any remapping
2024-08-06 09:53:30	BrainDamage	this way you can ensure that you can read and write the same blocks deterministically
2024-08-06 09:55:16	BrainDamage	and the universal consensus is that once a block has been overwritten, the data is lost, but you have no guarantees that you can be able to do so on a regular drive
2024-08-06 10:00:51	gehidore	we're talking about regular devices here
2024-08-06 10:01:02	gehidore	and your points are all valid indeed
2024-08-06 10:01:04	BrainDamage	yes, regular devices remap blocks
2024-08-06 12:21:20	haroon49	!paste
2024-08-06 12:21:20	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-08-06 12:26:46	haroon49	hello everyone, I'm having trouble synchronizing the system clock. I consulted the wiki, but I couldn't find a solution I think the issue may be with systemd-timesyncd, but I'm not sure. Can someone educate me. https://bpa.st/raw/X4SQ
2024-08-06 12:41:54	demonicmaniac1	haroon49: if the discrepancy is too large it won't sync immediately but gradually over time
2024-08-06 12:43:08	haroon49	i've been waiting for 3hrs today and 5hrs yday.
2024-08-06 12:43:44	astralc	set the clock to the right time and then check?
2024-08-06 12:46:06	astralc	btw: remember the default for the system clock (RTC) in linux is UTC, the time you have the look like local time
2024-08-06 12:47:57	haroon49	I also tried to disable ntp set the time to my localtime and active ntp again, didn't help it changed the clock back to the wrong time
2024-08-06 12:50:02	haroon49	https://bpa.st/raw/7JPA
2024-08-06 12:52:41	haroon49	might the issue be related to the notebook dual booting linux/windows? i noticed, that I had the wrong time in windows and the hwclock is also wrong now in linux.
2024-08-06 12:52:42	haroon49	sudo hwclock --show
2024-08-06 12:52:42	haroon49	2024-08-06 20:50:29.782264+05:00
2024-08-06 12:52:53	BrainDamage	can you pastebin the output of timedatectl show-timesync
2024-08-06 12:54:21	mkoskar	also $ timedatectl timesync-status
2024-08-06 12:54:45	BrainDamage	if you dual boot with windows, windows will try to set the rtc to localtime by defaut
2024-08-06 12:54:48	Warepire	haroon49: For dual booting, reading section 4.1 here is useful: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_time Windows and Linux handles the RTC differently.
2024-08-06 12:54:50	phrik	Title: System time - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-08-06 12:54:55	haroon49	https://paste.rs/pMmyB
2024-08-06 12:56:18	astralc	for time in windows dualboot read this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dual_boot_with_Windows#Time_standard
2024-08-06 12:56:19	phrik	Title: Dual boot with Windows - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-08-06 12:56:44	haroon49	thanks, ill do that in windows
2024-08-06 12:57:11	BrainDamage	mmm, that system ntp line is different from here, can you pastebin /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf ?
2024-08-06 12:59:01	haroon49	I'm using /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf.d/local.conf but I pasted both  https://paste.rs/ibT74
2024-08-06 13:02:21	BrainDamage	can you please try to move away your config file?
2024-08-06 13:03:04	BrainDamage	I only have the default with everything commented out, and default sets fallbacks, and it works properly here: https://0x0.st/XVad.conf
2024-08-06 13:03:33	BrainDamage	you might want to also write the rtc when you set system time
2024-08-06 13:05:07	rcf	userctl start rclone@sdfnc
2024-08-06 13:05:09	rcf	dammit
2024-08-06 13:05:29	BrainDamage	zsh: command not found: userctl
2024-08-06 13:05:49	rcf	I refuse to type systemctl --user every time, so an alias it is. 
2024-08-06 13:09:42	haroon49	BrainDamage: I deleted the file and restarted the service, but it didn't change the time I'll try the windows method and report back in a bit
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2024-08-06 13:45:33	ponies	best alias is y for systemctl, j for journalctl 
2024-08-06 13:45:47	ponies	^ MWA *italian hands* 
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2024-08-06 13:48:11	ian|	is there an easy way to sync X.org session settings with SDDM login settings? there may be more, but I think for me the screen timeout and mouse sensitivity aren't synced
2024-08-06 13:49:06	Namarrgon	Nothing is synced. How would that work for multiple user accounts with different preferences?
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2024-08-06 13:50:17	ian|	okay. i use LXQt primarily and I don't even see OffTime in xorg.conf.d
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2024-08-06 13:50:24	astralc	there is something in sddm kcm module for one shot syncing several things (I think like lanugages).
2024-08-06 13:50:38	ian|	i think OffTime is screen idle time
2024-08-06 13:53:28	ponies	would we be expecting anything to write in xorg.conf.d to begin with? 
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2024-08-06 13:55:18	ian|	it looks like LXQt rolls its own idleness watcher and then calls a one-off function to perform various DPMS functions
2024-08-06 13:55:48	ian|	so if i copy the value into xorg.conf's OffTime would SDDM follow it?
2024-08-06 13:56:05	Khorne	!tias
2024-08-06 13:56:06	phrik	Try It And See™
2024-08-06 13:56:19	ian|	actually that would likely interfere with the session
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2024-08-06 14:03:22	astralc	you can set it also in sddm startup files (with xset)
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2024-08-06 14:19:40	alwyn	Is there a linux-zen-lts?
2024-08-06 14:20:52	Antiz	alwyn: Nop
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2024-08-08 15:36:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-08 17:53:14	MapleStory	Hey guys I am wondering, is it possible to make the makedepends section in a PKGBUILD search/use the archlinux archive for lower versions? There's an aur package I'm using but it requires clang-17 from the aur but there's already a clang-17 in archive.archlinux.org so I'd rather try get it there
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2024-08-08 17:53:15	BrainDamage	not directly
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2024-08-08 17:53:15	BrainDamage	if you add it as a repo somehow, then yes, it can be used
2024-08-08 17:53:15	MapleStory	What would be the best way of going about this?
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2024-08-08 17:55:48	BrainDamage	however, it's unlikely to work as-is
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2024-08-08 18:13:57	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-08 18:14:31	edgy	Hi is arch wiki down?
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2024-08-08 18:18:47	teraflops	edgy: it loads here
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2024-08-08 18:19:11	edgy	teraflops: It's not here. Thanks
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2024-08-08 18:19:28	edgy	teraflops: can you please try searching on it?
2024-08-08 18:19:33	Edu4rdSHL	Down here too, getting 504
2024-08-08 18:20:50	teraflops	edgy: search does not work
2024-08-08 18:21:00	teraflops	but kind of ...
2024-08-08 18:21:58	edgy	teraflops: so it seems there is a problem. I also had occasionally pages open
2024-08-08 18:22:00	@jelle	wiki is indeed under quite some load
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2024-08-08 18:22:14	edgy	Ok glad it's not only me
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2024-08-08 18:23:40	teraflops	https://paste.priet.us/screencast_2024-08-08-18-21-27.webm
2024-08-08 18:23:44	teraflops	ah nvm
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2024-08-08 19:36:29	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-08 19:36:36	demonicmaniac1	honestly as long as you don't blatantly break any licensing rules i don't see anything wrong with any pkgbuild and whoever disagrees can push their own
2024-08-08 19:36:44	demonicmaniac1	if they cba to edit yours on update
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2024-08-08 19:37:55	hseg	there's a reason I maintain a 'Packaging disagreements' commit on my own checkouts of some AUR packages -- they're too trivial to bug the maintainer about or maintain myself, but they bug me
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2024-08-08 19:39:09	hseg	(most significant of which is using git+$url.git#tag=$pkgver over $url/archive/.../$pkgver -- I like having the version history available, it has put me off continuing to use packages whose sources had shady handovers (eg zapzap))
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2024-08-08 20:42:14	kevku	github release archives are problematic anyway so they should be avoided
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2024-08-08 20:44:36	mpan	kevku: only for PKGBUILD and it is a mild issue, given it only affects integrity tests (which unzipping will handle itself). Unless I don’t know about something.
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2024-08-08 20:46:42	mpan	kevku: the story is basically that package maintainers (not only Arch) assumed that automatic archives on GitHub are always bit-to-bit identical for the same content. Which was never expected and GH never gave such a promise either.
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2024-08-09 16:05:58	alwyn	TIL if ~/.cache is not user writeable KDE effectively breaks
2024-08-09 16:06:51	Edu4rdSHL	There's no reason for ~/.cache to not be user writeable, so it's expected
2024-08-09 16:07:00	Edu4rdSHL	And probably not only KDE breaks but many other apps
2024-08-09 16:07:27	Scimmia	pretty much everything in ~, really
2024-08-09 16:07:39	mrbcmorris	yeah Scimmia at least core directory wise
2024-08-09 16:08:20	alwyn	Edu4rdSHL: yeah my bad. Because I use btrfs snapshots I wanted to exclude ~/.cache from those snapshots, so I created a separate subvolume for it, but forgot to chown :P
2024-08-09 16:08:37	mpan	Caches are in general expected to be optional, so alwyn’s surprise isn’t that weird. And making things in “~/.cache” write-only is even a common technique to avoid generating caches.
2024-08-09 16:09:11	mpan	Also people may (and I do) put some caches on separate volumes (including tmpfs-es) and failing to mount them shouldn’t cause everything to break.
2024-08-09 16:09:11	Earnestly	It shouldn't "break", it should exit violently with errors
2024-08-09 16:09:23	Edu4rdSHL	alwyn, ah :p
2024-08-09 16:09:31	mrbcmorris	Fair enough mpan.
2024-08-09 16:09:51	Edu4rdSHL	mpan, except that they do
2024-08-09 16:09:59	Earnestly	But loose language means that "break" could be "errors", could be "segfault", could be "work in broken state and fail for some other reason", etc.
2024-08-09 16:10:12	xapdbac	I think KDE is known for many things except robust error handling
2024-08-09 16:10:19	xapdbac	even a faulty icon theme can bring the whole thing down
2024-08-09 16:10:23	mrbcmorris	lol.
2024-08-09 16:10:39	Edu4rdSHL	That does apply for every DE, really. The theme thing.
2024-08-09 16:11:00	Earnestly	(But ultimately mpan is correct, caches are just there to speed up subsequent operations, shouldn't be necessary)
2024-08-09 16:11:00	xapdbac	it applies to gnome and kde 
2024-08-09 16:11:11	Edu4rdSHL	And for XFCE and whatever else :p
2024-08-09 16:11:16	xapdbac	No, it doesn't
2024-08-09 16:11:26	Edu4rdSHL	Yes, it does, I used KDE for like, 10 years
2024-08-09 16:11:28	Edu4rdSHL	And it does
2024-08-09 16:11:38	xapdbac	I've never seen a report where an icon theme makes XFCE segfault or crash in any way
2024-08-09 16:12:06	Edu4rdSHL	"Iv'e never seen" doesn't mean that it doesn't exist
2024-08-09 16:12:08	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2024-08-09 16:12:20	mpan	I can’t blame KDE devs for such an ommission, because they are not paid and most of that is C or C-flavored C++. What I mean is that alwyn’s expectation this should work with at most a warning is not that weird.
2024-08-09 16:12:22	xapdbac	If I didn't see it, it's not common anyway
2024-08-09 16:12:49	mpan	This is the same as a program shouldn’t fail if it can’t find something in caches.
2024-08-09 16:14:21	xapdbac	mpan: besides the unpaid part, also all the politics that are involved that prevent things from getting fixed
2024-08-09 16:14:27	xapdbac	But that's not exclusive to KDE for sure
2024-08-09 16:14:52	mrbcmorris	governance is hard
2024-08-09 16:14:59	Edu4rdSHL	I wouldn't care less that an app doesn't work because ~/.cache is non-writeable, just let it be there, like normal people
2024-08-09 16:15:30	Edu4rdSHL	Plus, caches are good
2024-08-09 16:16:02	mpan	Edu4rdSHL: not always and not always desired. But that’s really besides the point, as nobody opposed caches here.
2024-08-09 16:16:03	mrbcmorris	Edu4rdSHL: not un-equivically
2024-08-09 16:16:12	mrbcmorris	agreed
2024-08-09 16:16:55	mpan	To provide some half-full and half-empty glasses for the background, this isn’t that bad. My new phone loses background image settings if I mount it over USB. Apparently because it can’t access the wallpaper from memory, if the memory is USB-mounted. 🤦
2024-08-09 16:17:03	xapdbac	lol
2024-08-09 16:17:39	Edu4rdSHL	mpan, which phone is it? lol
2024-08-09 16:19:55	mpan	HMD TA-1316 (market name HMD “Nokia 225 4G”). One of the few remaining S30 platform phones on the market, though this is just a shadow of the former S30’s glory.
2024-08-09 16:20:27	mpan	(at least on the European market; but I have no reliable access to Japanese phones)
2024-08-09 16:20:31	xapdbac	a dumbphone : O
2024-08-09 16:20:35	Edu4rdSHL	mpan, ah!
2024-08-09 16:20:47	xapdbac	I wanted to buy one
2024-08-09 16:20:54	mpan	Yes. And this is a proper dumphone. Not Android smartphone with bad screen and underpowered CPU. :)
2024-08-09 16:21:08	xapdbac	mpan: how is the phone otherwise, apart from weird background issues
2024-08-09 16:21:16	Edu4rdSHL	I got used to Samsung flagships that it's hard to use something else now :p
2024-08-09 16:21:22	Edu4rdSHL	Currently with the S24U
2024-08-09 16:21:24	mpan	So how horrible it is, compared to many other pseudo-dumbphones it’s still not a tragedy. At least it doesn’t need 500 ms to react to each key press.
2024-08-09 16:22:35	xapdbac	I read that the T9 dictionary is cleared on every restart
2024-08-09 16:22:38	mpan	xapdbac: compared to old dumphones: pretty dumb. Cut down to bare minimum, multiple quirks, can’t type Polish characters in SMS until I set UI interface to Polish (but I can do other Unicode 🤦), already hanged like 2  times and required a hard reset.
2024-08-09 16:22:46	xapdbac	rip
2024-08-09 16:23:32	mpan	Nearly zero features you would get in old dumbphones, but pre-loaded if game demos. Yes… *demos*. You have to pay ~3€ to get access to full version of something that wouldn’t really pass threshold of being interesting in 1980s.
2024-08-09 16:23:44	mpan	And Opera Mini and Facebook! ;)
2024-08-09 16:23:56	xapdbac	The same reviewer said he left the phone in the laundry machine and it still worked after drying the electronics
2024-08-09 16:24:14	Edu4rdSHL	I loved the snake game
2024-08-09 16:24:18	Edu4rdSHL	On the nokias
2024-08-09 16:24:30	mpan	Camera is what you would get in early 2000s. Don’t expect more, including poor median-based noise reduction that actually does more harm than good.
2024-08-09 16:24:33	xapdbac	mpan: I hate those demo games, it's like those predatory android games aimed at kids using their parents' credit card
2024-08-09 16:24:40	mpan	Edu4rdSHL: yes, snake is available and is free! ;)
2024-08-09 16:25:02	mpan	xapdbac: yes, except in this no kid… not even my grandma would be interested in playing them. xD
2024-08-09 16:25:20	xapdbac	:D
2024-08-09 16:28:31	mpan	Battery capacity is not too good, but also lasts more than in smartphones. Actually I didn’t do a separate “charging phase” for weeks. Occassional USB charging (not even 3.0) once a few days is more tha nenough.
2024-08-09 16:28:57	mpan	And I suppose it would last 2 weeks while idle.
2024-08-09 16:30:03	mpan	“Separate charging phase” as in being pressed to charge the phone, worried it would otherwise run out of juice. Nope, I didn’t really had that feeling yet.
2024-08-09 16:30:09	mpan	Either way, I must go now. cu
2024-08-09 16:30:15	xapdbac	bye mpan
2024-08-09 16:30:23	xapdbac	thx for the honest review >:)
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2024-08-09 16:54:35	demonicmaniac1	mpan: there's been some nice development on easier accessible emulation for most not just s60 phones now \o/
2024-08-09 16:54:44	demonicmaniac1	complete dumps have existed for a while
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2024-08-09 17:31:51	rarebird15	Hi all. I'm currently using Arch in WSL on Linux. Tried to have my mom help me get started installing Arch with speech on this Windows 11 computer but ran into a couple problems. First off, I had no sound. Espeakup, the console screen reader available when installing arch, was started but I couldn't hear it, so my mom was having to read everything to me. Then, when I tried to reinstall espeakup,
2024-08-09 17:31:51	rarebird15	I 
2024-08-09 17:31:57	rarebird15	was getting something saying no space left on device. Archinstall wouldn't even work. I know there are directions for dual booting Arch and Windows but didn't follow those since I'm not planning on dual booting. I just want Arch. Should I have done anything special before booting from the USB to get things working here? I can resize my partitions on Windows but wasn't sure if it was necessary
2024-08-09 17:31:57	rarebird15	since 
2024-08-09 17:32:03	rarebird15	I'm not dual booting.
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2024-08-09 17:36:56	b2ag	rarebird15: I'm not using windows, but I guess you have to do more work to get GUIs and sound running. After a short search I've found https://github.com/microsoft/wslg . Maybe check that out.
2024-08-09 17:36:57	phrik	Title: GitHub - microsoft/wslg: Enabling the Windows Subsystem for Linux to include support for Wayland and X server related scenarios (at github.com)
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2024-08-09 17:38:19	rarebird15	Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. I'm wanting to switch fully to Arch, not keep using WSL. The problems I had were when booting from a USB.
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2024-08-09 17:39:06	xapdbac	You'll probably need to disable Secure Boot
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2024-08-09 17:39:58	rarebird15	Okay, I need to figure out how then. My mom didn't see any references to it anywhere when we were in the advanced boot options.
2024-08-09 17:40:21	b2ag	it sometimes hides under the boot section
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2024-08-10 15:17:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-10 15:17:45	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1398 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1398 regular)
2024-08-10 15:17:40	mrbcmorris	I just use `obs-studio` rather than `obs-studio-git`.  Comes as a binary.
2024-08-10 15:17:46	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-10 15:18:14	mrbcmorris	in the extra repo
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2024-08-10 15:58:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-10 17:36:27	throstur	So.. I tried to open an mp4 from qbittorrent and it tried to open it in Skype. I opened thunar to check what the default application to open that mp4 would be from the file explorer, and it's VLC. What can cause this kind of discrepancy?
2024-08-10 17:37:34	throstur	as far as I can tell, *some* mp4s open in VLC and others in Skype (also, why skype lol?), but like 99% of the time it's correct
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2024-08-10 17:39:29	throstur	Another thing I noticed is that running `file <file>` on the mp4 shows "data" instead of the expected * Media * kind of thing
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2024-08-10 17:40:04	norineko	if you open it in thunar, does it use vlc?
2024-08-10 17:40:15	throstur	it does
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2024-08-10 17:40:41	norineko	also, is your skype in wine? I've had some problems with wine randomly trying to open files.
2024-08-10 17:40:56	throstur	it's skypeforlinux
2024-08-10 17:41:01	throstur	(so not wine as far as I know)
2024-08-10 17:42:33	norineko	can you check .config/mimeapps.list for anything that opens with skype?
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2024-08-10 17:42:58	throstur	nothing at all!
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2024-08-10 17:43:42	norineko	what about your browser - does that have anything that would "open this using skype" or similar?
2024-08-10 17:44:34	norineko	also does `xdg-open <file>` use vlc or skype?
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2024-08-10 17:45:05	throstur	xdg-open opens with skype, browser doesn't have anything set
2024-08-10 17:45:08	throstur	weird
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2024-08-10 17:47:26	throstur	but why does xdg-open not open it with vlc? I don't get it
2024-08-10 17:49:33	throstur	shows Known properties: default-url-scheme-handler and default-web-browser, that's it
2024-08-10 17:50:00	throstur	but strangely, file --mime-type is showing the mp4 file as an application/octet-stream instead of a video/mp4
2024-08-10 17:50:53	throstur	but that doesn't answer why of all things it tries to use skype?
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2024-08-10 19:59:26	UselessPrincess	so, Dash aka Ash is predating Bash, i remember someone saying here its new project or something
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2024-08-10 20:08:17	llua	ash predates bash, not dash
2024-08-10 20:08:45	UselessPrincess	dash is ash basically
2024-08-10 20:08:51	llua	its a fork
2024-08-10 20:08:56	llua	one of many
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2024-08-10 20:09:11	UselessPrincess	yeah, debian uses it as default shell too
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2024-08-10 20:14:12	UselessPrincess	p sure if debian uses it its battle tested
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2024-08-10 20:15:27	llua	their name checks out
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2024-08-13 13:10:56	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-13 13:10:57	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-13 13:13:30	flower_	hm it's my firewire audio device (pcie adapter)
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2024-08-14 14:49:47	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-14 14:16:19	ramblebamble	Heya, just out of curiosity since I am looking for a pipeline(only have superficially looked into it): I think airflow is a bit heavy weight  and fluvio is quiet nice, was wondering if anyone has any experience, should be lightweight, packagable(I like the WASM aspect of it, but not the  way they want me to install it)
2024-08-14 14:21:09	falconindy	come again?
2024-08-14 14:23:56	Namarrgon	the hardware store is next door
2024-08-14 14:25:40	falconindy	oh, makes sense. you definitely need bigger ducts for air conditioning than forced air heating.
2024-08-14 14:26:30	ramblebamble	Sorry,  I was refering to data-processing/workflow pipelines. https://www.fluvio.io/  https://airflow.apache.org/
2024-08-14 14:26:32	phrik	Title: Fluvio Community Documentation | Fluvio (at www.fluvio.io)
2024-08-14 14:29:36	ramblebamble	not arch-linux, but we have talked about other stuff here occasionally as well 
2024-08-14 14:31:07	socksinspace	that seems very much like domain specific knowledge that might be better found elsewhere
2024-08-14 14:34:01	ramblebamble	feared as much, just wouldn't know where to look, not really embedded in those communities. Thanks anyways. Will keep on looking.
2024-08-14 14:39:59	falconindy	Beam is pretty well regarded
2024-08-14 14:42:15	falconindy	guess it depends on what it is you're actually trying to accomplish...
2024-08-14 14:42:37	Freneticks	were can we see that "graphical-session.target" corresponds in ARCH
2024-08-14 14:43:23	zaharo	ramblebamble: there is a Libera chat airflow channel. I think we can talk about it there
2024-08-14 14:43:49	ramblebamble	Thx zaharo
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2024-08-14 14:50:49	Earnestly	When using gpg-agent to remember passwords used during symmetric decryption of a file, is it possible make gpg-agent forget that specific password without killing the entire session?
2024-08-14 14:55:00	falconindy	specific password? probably not. there's only SIGHUP to forget *all* passwords
2024-08-14 14:55:24	falconindy	you could do something trashy like start and scope-in a separate gpg-agent for that particular operation and then kill it
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2024-08-14 14:57:27	Earnestly	I did see if invoking gpg -d with --no-symkey-cache might "drop it" by invalidating the entry but seems not, even with invalid passphrases
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2024-08-14 14:59:33	mkoskar	I would look through gpg-connect-agent commands
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2024-08-14 14:59:40	ramblebamble	Earnestly, I have yet to look more deeply into it, but might the --scdaemon-program  parameter and identified program provide what you are looking for?
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2024-08-14 15:00:10	ramblebamble	my _naive_ understanding is that the card needs to be present for GPG to function.
2024-08-14 15:00:46	mkoskar	Earnestly: possibly, CLEAR_PASSPHRASE [--mode=normal] <cache_id> ... $ gpg-connect-agent, then type > help
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2024-08-14 15:01:45	Earnestly	Hmm
2024-08-14 15:02:34	mkoskar	I actually use preset in one of the scripts $ gpg-connect-agent <<<"PRESET_PASSPHRASE $keygrip -1 $pass"
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2024-08-14 15:03:38	Earnestly	Yeah, but these are symmatric passphrases, so listing keygrips and such is no good. But there must be a cache id for these things
2024-08-14 15:04:11	Earnestly	> https://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manuals/gnupg/Agent-GET_005fPASSPHRASE.html seems helpful
2024-08-14 15:04:12	phrik	Title: Agent GET_PASSPHRASE (Using the GNU Privacy Guard) (at www.gnupg.org)
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2024-08-14 15:05:18	Earnestly	Iow, there must be some mapping between file <-> passphrase
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2024-08-14 15:11:41	mkoskar	ah hmm
2024-08-14 15:11:49	Earnestly	mkoskar: Some value discussion about this being possibly added eventually, but that was in 2005. So it may be that there is just no way to list cached ids
2024-08-14 15:12:00	Earnestly	https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-devel/2005-August/022318.html
2024-08-14 15:12:01	phrik	Title: Listing credentials ids in gpg-agent (at lists.gnupg.org)
2024-08-14 15:14:06	falconindy	huh... "the cacheid is the 8-octet hex-encoded s2k salt randomly chosen on encryption, prefixed with the letter "S""
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2024-08-14 15:15:33	falconindy	but it looks like you could use /usr/lib/gnupg/gpg-preset-passphrase to set an arbitrary cache_id
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2024-08-14 15:21:19	Earnestly	Yeah remember using that to preload a signing key for package signing, so it may be that this can work only if you set the cache id yourself
2024-08-14 15:21:55	Earnestly	It would be funny if they cache the password by using the same hex style encoding on the filepath
2024-08-14 15:23:43	mkoskar	huh ye, this is new to me that symmetric passphrases are cached too, interesting
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2024-08-14 15:26:12	Earnestly	https://superuser.com/questions/1427517/how-can-i-cache-a-passphrase-for-use-in-a-script-that-uses-gpg2-symmetric-with/1485486#1485486
2024-08-14 15:26:13	phrik	Title: linux - How can I cache a passphrase for use in a script that uses gpg2 --symmetric with STDIN? - Super User (at superuser.com)
2024-08-14 15:26:14	Earnestly	Hm
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2024-08-14 15:29:48	Earnestly	It works
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2024-08-14 15:30:43	Earnestly	So, you can determine the cache id from the file by using --list-packets which is the salt. Take the salt and prefix with 'S', then you can use 'clear_passphrase cache_id' via gpg-connect-agent
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2024-08-14 15:33:43	mkoskar	Earnestly: aha yes, can confirm, nice! if only getting that cacheid would be more straightforward
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2024-08-14 15:37:21	mkoskar	Earnestly: there's always also more crude way of $ gpg-connect-agent reloadagent /bye
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2024-08-14 15:37:58	Earnestly	That's what I will use if I wanted to clear all cached passwords
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2024-08-14 15:38:34	mkoskar	indeed
2024-08-14 15:38:42	predicament	did anyone see my issue about pihole with everything else working?
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2024-08-14 15:40:17	Earnestly	mkoskar: It's a bit of a bodge but I'll leave it around for my notes: awk '$1 == ":symkey" && index($0, " s2k ") {s = 1} s && $1 == "salt" {print "S" substr($2, 1, length($2)-1)}'
2024-08-14 15:40:35	Earnestly	Trying to be a little more proactive about extracting the salt than just looking for "salt"
2024-08-14 15:40:56	predicament	shit.
2024-08-14 15:41:01	predicament	this is bad
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2024-08-14 15:41:22	predicament	NFS works and um.. the internet, the connection to the network, everything
2024-08-14 15:41:40	predicament	I'll try rebooting the router and if that doesnt work i'll try the LTS kernel
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2024-08-14 15:41:55	predicament	(It suddenly stopped working after a reboot)
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2024-08-14 15:42:59	predicament	and it's active and it should be working but it isn't.  it's very weird.  People all over seem to have this problem.  I just am not sure what I can do here to eliminate this issue.
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2024-08-14 15:47:00	Earnestly	mkoskar: Ends up being gpg --list-packets | awkwhatever generate assuan protocol | gpg-connect-agent -u
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2024-08-14 15:55:16	mkoskar	Earnestly: ye nice, I guess in reality you can avoid it by not forgetting to --no-symkey-cache
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2024-08-14 16:07:43	predicament	i mean without help i'd just uninstall the tools i used to install it, like lighthttpd which works, NFS works, networking in general works, but Pi-Hole is an issue suddenly and randomly and there were no changes beyond using the zen kernel
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2024-08-14 16:10:07	predicament	i might go in #linux and see what they have to say
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2024-08-14 16:14:42	Earnestly	mkoskar: But I want to store it, the goal was just to prematurely forget a specific one
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2024-08-14 16:17:48	Earnestly	mkoskar: (I also wish gpg-agent would allow me to cache passwords for the duration of the agent's lifetime rather than just setting very large ttl's)
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2024-08-14 16:22:06	mkoskar	Earnestly: ye ok, I guess I can imagine usage in a script where you encrypt (query for password) and then decrypt again etc etc ye ... oh wrt TTL are you using PRESET_PASSPHRASE? iirc preset passhprases doesn't have TTL
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2024-08-14 18:27:16	noobaroo	later I enabled on 1 or 2 folders in my home and thats it, Documents and Notes, the crash happened again, then I got spooked and took this as an excuse to switch to ZFS 
2024-08-14 18:27:16	Namarrgon	Are you keeping /home on dumb flash or why did you pick f2fs?
2024-08-14 18:27:45	noobaroo	You can only put +c on directories in f2fs
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2024-08-14 18:28:38	noobaroo	Idk, im stupid i guess, i know opensuse doesnt even support f2fs for a long time, they actually blacklist it completely , and i know it never caught on with the mainstream 
2024-08-14 18:28:58	Namarrgon	If not then it was a bad choice.
2024-08-14 18:29:21	Namarrgon	You get all the weirdness for zero benefit on a regular ssd/hdd.
2024-08-14 18:29:50	noobaroo	But i used it for a long time and never had problems until recently, although not sure exactly how/when +c flags got disabled, because I used to have them and only noticed recently they werent there so I enabled again which triggered all this 
2024-08-14 18:30:03	Namarrgon	Can you reproduce this on a current kernel?
2024-08-14 18:30:07	noobaroo	My thinking was preserving my SSD lifespan
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2024-08-14 18:30:57	Namarrgon	You don't need to worry about it on a modern ssd.
2024-08-14 18:31:02	noobaroo	I already formatted everything and switched to ZFS after this happened 3x in a row
2024-08-14 18:31:15	Namarrgon	So you no longer have that fs?
2024-08-14 18:31:22	noobaroo	correct
2024-08-14 18:31:38	noobaroo	but i could format a thumbdrive and try to put +c flag on it and see what happens 
2024-08-14 18:31:50	Namarrgon	Then there's not much point in filing bugreports if can can no longer provide feedback.
2024-08-14 18:32:16	noobaroo	Hmm well okay
2024-08-14 18:32:51	Namarrgon	If you want to go ahead and reproduce it then okay but keep the evidence around.
2024-08-14 18:33:05	noobaroo	Whats your opinion on ZFS on SSD ? will it kill it faster ?
2024-08-14 18:33:29	Namarrgon	Probably not but i personally wouldn't use zfs on arch anyway.
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2024-08-14 18:34:40	noobaroo	Oh okay. Well for compression there's only 3 choices (unless you know of something else), zfs, btrfs, and bcachefs 
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2024-08-14 18:34:51	noobaroo	and zfs is supposed to be the most stable option of these 3 
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2024-08-14 18:35:55	Namarrgon	My gripe would be that it is maintained out-of-tree so you have to talk to two separate parties when you run into issues
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2024-08-14 18:37:21	Edu4rdSHL	btrfs is damn good, tbh. Not sure about the state of RAID5/6 right now but for "normal" usage it's solid as a rock
2024-08-14 18:37:33	norineko	btrfs is very stable without raid5/6
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2024-08-14 18:37:56	Edu4rdSHL	I have it on a RAID0 and works flawlessly 
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2024-08-14 18:39:40	norineko	plus, you can raid10 if you want 4 drives and up to 2 failures, with caveats/tradeoffs.
2024-08-14 18:41:12	noobaroo	Another question I have is why KDE takes forever to start on spinning disks. I asked #kde several times over past week and never got a response. I used Arch on F2FS/NVME for the longest, but i was playing around with Void Linux on some old HDDs, Void-Musl, Void-Glibc, and also BTRFS and ZFS, this is the first time I ever played around with BTRFS on root, and KDE was taking forever to start and I
2024-08-14 18:41:12	noobaroo	blamed Void... I actually should let #voidlinux
2024-08-14 18:41:12	noobaroo	 know that it was unrelated with the distro 
2024-08-14 18:41:59	noobaroo	But recently I installed ZFS on Arch on a hdd first, within the past 24 hrs actually, before I formatted my F2FS i wanted to make sure I knew the install process beforehand 
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2024-08-14 18:43:05	noobaroo	Now this was one of my slower drives (also one of the newer ones, though) it was a 1TB spinning drive and a was getting speeds of 30-35 MB/s
2024-08-14 18:43:32	Namarrgon	btrfs has rather high latencies but SSDs mask that to a degree
2024-08-14 18:43:40	norineko	check if you're iowait when starting kde
2024-08-14 18:43:41	noobaroo	KDE Plasma took over 60secs to start each time... Arch on ZFS on this spinning HDD with 30-35 MB/s speed 
2024-08-14 18:44:16	noobaroo	Now I installed on my NVME, I rsynced the very same HDD install that took over 60secs, and KDE Plasma starts in less than 5 seconds 
2024-08-14 18:44:31	norineko	it could be that you are missing something like xf86 drivers or entropy that causes it to slow way down.
2024-08-14 18:45:05	noobaroo	I havent heard of iowait, that seems like it would be super useful here
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2024-08-14 18:45:33	noobaroo	and i dont use xf86 stuff except libinput, AFAIK the xf86 drivers should not be used these days because we have KMS now 
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2024-08-14 18:46:39	noobaroo	This whole time I was blaming Void Linux and it turns out KDE Plasma is taking forever to start on every drive i have, except my NVME SSD which starts in less than 5 seconds 
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2024-08-14 18:47:00	noobaroo	Namarrgon do you know anything about this?
2024-08-14 18:47:41	norineko	is it the exact same setup? same packages?
2024-08-14 18:47:44	noobaroo	I have tried on many drives, testing out btrfs and zfs, i had 2 different drives that were exactly the same other than 1 had btrfs and 1 had zfs 
2024-08-14 18:47:53	noobaroo	yes and across many drives
2024-08-14 18:48:11	Namarrgon	Nothing is optimized for HDDs anymore.
2024-08-14 18:48:51	Namarrgon	You get to face all the raw downsides of spinning disks.
2024-08-14 18:49:00	noobaroo	And the speeds I described were the slowest drive speed I had, which also had the slowest Plasma startup time. The other drives were 70+ MB/s and were somewhat quicker starting KDE Plasma but still way too long ... 
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2024-08-14 18:49:03	Edu4rdSHL	Talking about latencies, is there any "sensible" difference between "normal SSD" and NVMe on that?
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2024-08-14 18:49:28	norineko	noobaroo: you are talking sequential speeds. what's the random io speed/iops
2024-08-14 18:50:30	noobaroo	norineko I'm not sure, but i doubt 3 or 4 different drives were all failing?
2024-08-14 18:50:49	noobaroo	Unless like Namarrgon said, a normal HDD just isn't sufficient these days ... ??
2024-08-14 18:51:10	norineko	no, that's not what I am saying. hard disks have ok sequential speeds, but bad random speeds and low iops
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2024-08-14 18:51:27	norineko	you are benchmarking the wrong thing.
2024-08-14 18:51:29	mefistofeles	interesting, I still have a machine with HDD that loads plasma just fine
2024-08-14 18:51:46	noobaroo	I know what you're saying, and i answered 
2024-08-14 18:52:16	Namarrgon	"Back in the day" we had to pay attention to how we partitioned HDDs, to make sure that the important bits got on the outer side of the platter.
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2024-08-14 18:52:42	Namarrgon	But kids nowadays don't know good they have it!
2024-08-14 18:52:45	noobaroo	mefistofeles Thats good to know, seriously, i would hate for the standards these days to be this inflated, already cold boot mem usage is like +500MB and it used to be 120MB in 2012 
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2024-08-14 18:53:13	noobaroo	How long does it take to start for you on this HDD?
2024-08-14 18:53:25	noobaroo	Also is it running Arch+Plasma6? 
2024-08-14 18:53:52	mefistofeles	yes to the latter, and it takes around 10 s I guess, I don't boot it as often
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2024-08-14 19:04:12	noobaroo	I did run some fio tests, although not many, im very queasy about causing needless wear&tear, and i believe the drives with 70+ MB/s were at least double this I/O according to fio , and the slow drive that was getting 30-35 MB/s was in the 200s for I/O 
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2024-08-14 19:04:27	noobaroo	I didn't run fio at all on nvme 
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2024-08-14 19:05:26	noobaroo	These hdds are not anything special, im surprised here that it says typical is 200 ?
2024-08-14 19:06:15	noobaroo	sudo fio --filename=/ddbench.img --direct=1 --rw=randwrite --bs=16k --ioengine=libaio --iodepth=256 --runtime=10 --numjobs=4 --time_based --group_reporting --name=job_name --eta-newline=1 --filesize=200m
2024-08-14 19:06:40	Namarrgon	The maximum read rate is for sequential data on the outside of the platter. Random reads kill performance.
2024-08-14 19:06:51	noobaroo	This is the command I used ^ maybe a different ioengine would show less or something 
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2024-08-14 19:07:46	noobaroo	mefistofeles what I/O scheduler do you use? i want what you have
2024-08-14 19:07:52	teraflops	gnome-disks has a benchmark tool 
2024-08-14 19:08:02	teraflops	a little bit hidden
2024-08-14 19:08:08	norineko	use --rw=randrw maybe? 
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2024-08-14 19:08:47	norineko	you may also be operating entirely within the cache of the disk. not sure.
2024-08-14 19:08:50	mefistofeles	noobaroo: whatever is the default, I haven't changed that
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2024-08-14 19:09:59	noobaroo	But again unless all these drives are failing, i would hope that KDE Plasma should start in less than 15secs on a plain old average HDD 
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2024-08-14 19:11:56	noobaroo	mefistofeles what kernel? and completely up-to-date system right? 
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2024-08-14 19:12:47	mefistofeles	noobaroo: yes
2024-08-14 19:12:55	mefistofeles	arch kernel
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2024-08-14 19:13:38	noobaroo	Just plain linux package? no linux-zen or linux-lts ?
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2024-08-14 19:14:27	noobaroo	Do you have like... A super good HDD or just a stock one ?
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2024-08-15 16:13:24	batbrat	dkms status nvidia outputs nvidia/555.58.02, 6.10.4-arch2-1, x86_64: installed
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2024-08-15 16:13:49	batbrat	Scimmia, Namarrgon - that looks correct to me - the module is built against the right kernel.
2024-08-15 16:14:17	Scimmia	that's not 6.9.10
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2024-08-15 16:16:19	batbrat	Oh! That's right. But how did this happen? I checked for my booted Kernel with uname -r
2024-08-15 16:16:42	Scimmia	you updated the kernel but haven't booted it
2024-08-15 16:16:58	batbrat	Thanks. That makes sense. I'll drop of irssi, reboot, and then try again.
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2024-08-15 16:29:36	tent4051	!paste
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2024-08-15 16:46:53	noobaroo	How can I convert modules.alias to modules.alias.bin ?
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2024-08-15 16:47:50	noobaroo	inside /lib/modules 
2024-08-15 16:49:23	Namarrgon	depmod should generate it
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2024-08-15 16:58:19	noobaroo	Namarrgon thanks, that helps a lot
2024-08-15 16:58:52	noobaroo	Currently trying to figure out how to generate for a different version than the running kernel but I should be able to figure this out
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2024-08-15 17:40:10	edgy	Hi, I couldn't understand "epoch", according to https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PKGBUILD with epoch the version would be 1:5.13-2, How would this ONE to the left would help? Example please
2024-08-15 17:40:11	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-08-15 17:44:02	Namarrgon	1:5.13-2 > 10.2-6
2024-08-15 17:44:35	MacGyver	Because, crucially, 10.2-6 is actually sorted as 0:10.2-6
2024-08-15 17:46:38	MacGyver	Version numbers are sorted left-to-right, with the *first* inequality determining order.
2024-08-15 17:47:01	MacGyver	So if you raise the epoch, that's the first inequality, and whatever comes next no longer matters.
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2024-08-15 17:50:05	edgy	Thanks but 5.13 is already before 10.2 because 5<10
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2024-08-15 17:50:39	edgy	or you mean someone upgraded 10.2 to 5.13?
2024-08-15 17:51:15	edgy	Namarrgon, MacGyver: ^
2024-08-15 17:51:18	Namarrgon	If you need 5.13 to be more recent than 10.2 you increase its epoch
2024-08-15 17:52:16	MacGyver	You hardly ever see an epoch change unless upstream changes its versioning scheme.
2024-08-15 17:52:40	edgy	Namarrgon: ok now let's talk practical kholidays 1:6.5.0-1 doesn't change versioning scheme upstream, why the epoch?
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2024-08-15 17:52:44	MacGyver	Where their old versioning scheme's first number is higher than the new versioning scheme's first number.
2024-08-15 17:52:58	edgy	MacGyver: but not the case in kholidays, no?
2024-08-15 17:52:59	MacGyver	I assume it changed at some point in the past.
2024-08-15 17:53:06	MacGyver	You can't lower the epoch, ever.
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2024-08-15 17:54:05	Namarrgon	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/kholidays/-/commit/173bcf6004a7aa6ac85dfdbd5588342b63e0acb8
2024-08-15 17:54:06	phrik	Title: upgpkg: 1:5.240.0.20231001-1: Initial KF6 packages (173bcf60) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / kholidays · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-08-15 17:54:13	Namarrgon	The upstream versioning changed.
2024-08-15 17:54:18	MacGyver	KDE used to be on 15.something.
2024-08-15 17:54:30	MacGyver	Oh 17.something even.
2024-08-15 17:54:52	MacGyver	Here's where the epoch changed for kholidays: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/kholidays/-/commit/388479f671657fe2fe34940b08f7901874b59093
2024-08-15 17:54:54	phrik	Title: KDE Frameworks 5.43 (388479f6) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / kholidays · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-08-15 17:55:16	Namarrgon	ah, i pasted the wrong link
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2024-08-15 17:56:07	MacGyver	edgy: Consider: once you're on epoch 1:5.0.0, it doesn't matter if KDE then releases 6.0.0, you can't roll back the epoch because under the rules I just explianed, 0:6.0.0 sorts as *older* than 1:5.0.0.
2024-08-15 17:56:49	MacGyver	edgy: This is *why* "epoch should only be used when absolutely required to do so."
2024-08-15 17:57:51	edgy	MacGyver: yes, now I understand why you can't go back but this is ugly. Still one thing confusing, why singling kholidays and not the other KDE packages?
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2024-08-15 17:58:20	edgy	MacGyver: how did you find the the commit quickly? ;)
2024-08-15 17:59:01	MacGyver	edgy: Find kholidays @ archweb, click "View changes" in the top right, scroll through the commit log looking for the version change I expected to be there.
2024-08-15 17:59:47	edgy	MacGyver: ok, will try to check another package e.g. ..
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2024-08-15 18:01:40	MacGyver	edgy: And it's probably not singling out kholidays, but all the software that moved from "KDE Applications" to "KDE Frameworks".
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2024-08-15 18:03:10	edgy	MacGyver: aha! I got it now. Thanks a lot
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2024-08-15 18:03:53	MacGyver	edgy: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/kcontacts/
2024-08-15 18:03:54	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - kcontacts 1:6.5.0-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2024-08-15 18:03:57	MacGyver	edgy: Is another example.
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2024-08-15 18:04:28	MacGyver	edgy: That one move from Applications to Frameworks an entire major version later.
2024-08-15 18:04:36	MacGyver	edgy: And that decision is made at KDE upstream.
2024-08-15 18:05:02	MacGyver	edgy: See https://invent.kde.org/frameworks for a list of candidates.
2024-08-15 18:05:04	phrik	Title: Frameworks · GitLab (at invent.kde.org)
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2024-08-15 18:05:37	MacGyver	edgy: Basically anything in there that looks like it has an actual user interface was likely in Applications at some point.
2024-08-15 18:05:39	edgy	MacGyver: yes i got it now, but couldn't there be a better solution that keeps the version number in sync with upstream and still guarantees updates?
2024-08-15 18:05:50	MacGyver	edgy: *Could* there be? Maybe.
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2024-08-15 18:06:01	MacGyver	edgy: But I don't see anything wrong with this solution.
2024-08-15 18:06:28	mister_ripley	If I install arch and use a previous "/var" will that get overwritten? I know I've done the same with "/home" before.
2024-08-15 18:06:55	Namarrgon	Installation of packages will fail with a dirty /var.
2024-08-15 18:07:15	Namarrgon	Install arch cleanly and then move over what you need from the old one.
2024-08-15 18:07:53	mister_ripley	Ah. Hadn't thought of that. I'll double check my backups and proceed accordingly
2024-08-15 18:08:11	mister_ripley	Mostly just need my virtual machines
2024-08-15 18:09:35	edgy	MacGyver: yes, I won't say it's wrong but a bit odd ;)
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2024-08-15 18:10:47	Edu4rdSHL	I wouldn't care less of a number on a package version :p
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2024-08-15 18:15:05	edgy	MacGyver: Again it's clear now and justfied but just out of curiosity I checked gentoo package to see how they handle it at  https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/kde-frameworks/kholidays, they still use 6.5.0, any idea how they managed to live with that?
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2024-08-15 18:16:00	Edu4rdSHL	Ask Gentoo devs?
2024-08-15 18:21:18	edgy	MacGyver: thanks for your info and patience
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2024-08-16 00:56:25	noobaroo	Oh okay.
2024-08-16 00:56:35	shalok	iirc "physical" is also a valid thing to set it to.
2024-08-16 00:57:33	noobaroo	I don't know. I never really thought about people with extremely abnormal DPI screens. I kind of assumed the value was always somewhere close to 96 but you could choose to force to the exact DPI of your screen
2024-08-16 00:59:28	noobaroo	ill brb, im going to see if i can see a difference
2024-08-16 02:10:11	noobaroo	If im going to use a hard disk drive for storage only, does anyone know if there's any theoretical benefit of formatting the /dev/sdb device directly instead of creating partitions on it? In ZFS there are supposed to be performance benefits of doing it this way but not sure about normal filesystems 
2024-08-16 02:15:36	virtualsid	noobaroo: it's not performance, for ZFS, as I understand it, it's more about 'it managing it for you'.
2024-08-16 02:16:06	virtualsid	also, you /can/ put, say ext4 directly onto a drive, but I think there are benefits with 'alignment' and whatnot, if you partition instead.
2024-08-16 02:16:32	virtualsid	there is no performance overhead/limiting from my understanding.
2024-08-16 02:30:25	noobaroo	virtualsid thanks
2024-08-16 02:31:34	noobaroo	With ZFS though, it being able to manage the whole drive, is why there are supposed to be performance benefits, so i hear 
2024-08-16 02:31:52	noobaroo	Although I also hear the performance benefits are exaggerated and its not actually that big of a deal
2024-08-16 02:32:27	noobaroo	It detects if it has the whole drive or not and flips extra switches if it does
2024-08-16 02:32:31	bougyman	noobaroo: but it can't manage the "whole drive"
2024-08-16 02:32:37	bougyman	I mean, not if you only have one.
2024-08-16 02:32:45	bougyman	you have to have an efs partition, at the least.
2024-08-16 02:33:22	bougyman	I guess it can if it's just a storage drive. Wow I really missed that context, sorry.
2024-08-16 02:33:25	Murray7501	I remember when I use reiserfs
2024-08-16 02:33:35	Murray7501	used*
2024-08-16 02:35:15	noobaroo	EFS? Do you mean efi?
2024-08-16 02:35:35	Murray7501	yeah EFI
2024-08-16 02:37:03	noobaroo	Does anyone use fio? Im confused here, i would pastebin my own, but this page is already uploaded and easy to paste here https://github.com/axboe/fio/issues/719#issue-384318020
2024-08-16 02:37:04	phrik	Title: Completely wrong (very high) IOPS reported · Issue #719 · axboe/fio · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-08-16 02:37:31	noobaroo	There are 2 completely different IOPS values and im not sure which one I should be looking at?
2024-08-16 02:37:39	noobaroo	THere is the line "read: IOPS=82.8k, BW=324MiB/s (339MB/s)(19.0GiB/60144msec)"
2024-08-16 02:37:41	virtualsid	noobaroo: not to my understanding - are you sure about ZFS performance increases? https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/94 - ZFS (openzfs?) creates a GPT partition behind the scenes, if you pass it a whole disk
2024-08-16 02:37:43	phrik	Title: ZFS option to add raw disks without creating GPT partitions · Issue #94 · openzfs/zfs · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-08-16 02:37:58	noobaroo	And then the line "iops        : min=14713, max=24863, avg=20825.56, stdev=1576.35, samples=480"
2024-08-16 02:40:36	noobaroo	virtualsid No, im not at all sure, I've just read a bunch of hearsay on reddit of people talking about it, mostly. And I do know it creates a GPT partition table automatically. I'm not sure if there's a particular comment in that issue page you want me to see, I didn't read every comment
2024-08-16 02:41:51	noobaroo	Anyway so whats the real IOPS value here? 82.8k or avg=20825.56 ? 
2024-08-16 02:41:54	virtualsid	okay, basically, the only performance thing you might gain is if zfs creates a partition because it thinks it has a full disk, but it's actually a remote LUN
2024-08-16 02:43:17	virtualsid	btw, #openzfs has some smarter people than me in it, they might be able to confirm/deny better :)
2024-08-16 02:44:32	noobaroo	I thought the channel was #zfs but I really don't care about zfs right now, im struggling to understand fio
2024-08-16 02:53:54	virtualsid	did you read that issue you linked? It seems to explain it quite well, I thought? first number appears to be caching, basically.
2024-08-16 02:55:45	virtualsid	just in case you were using test files with all zeroes, this might be relevant: "At any rate the general warning is: make sure you have fully and entirely written (ideally with random enough data) the regions you later go on to read back from or you might see artificially fast results. Shortcuts can be taken by filesystems, block devices, disks etc. and unfortunately a lot of us are tripped up
2024-08-16 02:55:45	virtualsid	by 
2024-08-16 02:55:51	virtualsid	this."
2024-08-16 02:56:42	virtualsid	noobaroo: ^^
2024-08-16 03:00:26	chikuwasuka	for what it's worth, i found that while using all zeroes with fio is not ideal, it's also not a good idea to have fio generate new random data on each run.
2024-08-16 03:01:04	chikuwasuka	it produces a lot of overhead, both on linux and windows (worse on linux, at least for my drives)
2024-08-16 03:01:45	chikuwasuka	i can only assume windows is faster at generating random numbers.
2024-08-16 03:02:11	⚡ 	virtualsid shrugs
2024-08-16 03:08:40	noobaroo	virtualsid That doesn't make sense because for me the first number is lower than the second number
2024-08-16 03:09:02	virtualsid	82800 is lower than 20825?
2024-08-16 03:09:29	noobaroo	chikuwasuka I'm doing readonly so AFAIK not generating anything
2024-08-16 03:10:15	chikuwasuka	noobaroo: yeah, what i said is irrelevant for read benchmarks. 
2024-08-16 03:10:35	noobaroo	On my drive, values are "  read: IOPS=171, BW=2738KiB/s (2804kB/s)(54.4MiB/20350msec) "
2024-08-16 03:10:47	noobaroo	"iops        : min=   40, max=  492, avg=240.04, stdev=50.93, samples=58"
2024-08-16 03:11:42	⚡ 	virtualsid sighs
2024-08-16 03:11:48	noobaroo	I dont get it, is the overall value IOPS=171 or is it iops ... avg=240.04?
2024-08-16 03:17:53	noobaroo	chikuwasuka on the topic of /dev/urandom, i wasnt aware it was a bottleneck for this type of thing. Fastest HDD speed ive ever gotten was like 100MB/s sequential write (with dd if=/dev/urandom of=/test/path) and for SSD its like 500 MB/s with zfs lz4 compression on, didnt test direct speed
2024-08-16 03:18:38	noobaroo	I assumed /dev/urandom must be much higher than my disk speeds
2024-08-16 03:26:46	MacGyver	It's not, using it directly for a disk fill is terrible.
2024-08-16 03:28:35	MacGyver	Even with spinning rust and contemporary hardware back then, you'd be hard pressed to exceed disk speed with the urandom RNG.
2024-08-16 03:29:04	MacGyver	Nowadays it's something like two orders of magnitude better but disks have gotten more orders of magnitude faster.
2024-08-16 03:38:25	noobaroo	So what is the speed rate approximately then? I know its higher than 500MB/s
2024-08-16 03:39:55	noobaroo	I think having a /dev/random and then the pseudorandom /dev/urandom was a good idea. They could have improved them both instead of improving random and then ditching urandom.
2024-08-16 03:41:25	MacGyver	noobaroo: Except your mental model of how that worked is totally wrong.
2024-08-16 03:41:36	MacGyver	noobaroo: /dev/random and /dev/urandom were internally equivalent.
2024-08-16 03:41:44	MacGyver	noobaroo: The only difference was the bullshit entropy estimation.
2024-08-16 03:42:08	MacGyver	noobaroo: The numbers we crunched back in 2016 were ... depressing: https://web.archive.org/web/20230130051257/https://pthree.org/2016/03/08/linux-kernel-csprng-performance/
2024-08-16 03:42:10	phrik	Title: Aaron Toponce : Linux Kernel CSPRNG Performance (at web.archive.org)
2024-08-16 03:42:15	MacGyver	Let me run that now.
2024-08-16 03:42:48	MacGyver	Actually let me just run pv instead of dd because who cares.
2024-08-16 03:43:18	MacGyver	473MiB/s.
2024-08-16 03:43:25	noobaroo	Maybe the OS internally requires genuinely random data often, not really sure, but for me personally i never need genuine random. Itd be nice to have a pseudorandom that has 100x the performance even if its not cryptographically, true random 
2024-08-16 03:44:19	MacGyver	noobaroo: For that purpose, every programming language has a load of non-CS-PRNGs available.
2024-08-16 03:44:29	MacGyver	And yes, they tend to be tremendously fast.
2024-08-16 03:44:44	mpan	noobaroo: there is no genuine random in “/dev/random”. It uses, and *was using*, the same pseudorandom generator as “/dev/urandom”.
2024-08-16 03:45:18	MacGyver	But, crucially.
2024-08-16 03:45:20	mpan	It was slow because it was intentionally blocking, in misguided attempt to “acquire entropy”.
2024-08-16 03:45:37	MacGyver	If you just *seed* the openssl csprng with some bytes from urandom and then run that, it's *also* tremendously fast.
2024-08-16 03:46:15	mpan	MacGyver: just for comparison, 212 MiB/s on an old (10yr+) Intel E5300. :)
2024-08-16 03:46:16	MacGyver	I've never really *had* to look into it, but I imagine most of the speed issue of the kernel CSPRNG is actually in context switching.
2024-08-16 03:46:16	noobaroo	IIRC aes-ctr is single threaded when encoding
2024-08-16 03:46:53	MacGyver	noobaroo: You do not recall correctly, CTR mode is infinitely parallelizable.
2024-08-16 03:47:01	noobaroo	I was under the impression that /dev/random was genuine and urandom was not, and with kernel 5.17+ both are random now
2024-08-16 03:47:13	MacGyver	No block depends on the other blocks, you just need to make sure the counter is correct.
2024-08-16 03:47:14	noobaroo	When decoding, not when encoding 
2024-08-16 03:47:22	MacGyver	Also when encoding. There's no chain.
2024-08-16 03:47:25	mpan	noobaroo: yes, that was a common myth.
2024-08-16 03:47:31	noobaroo	Ohh I meant cbc
2024-08-16 03:47:35	noobaroo	My bad, i misread
2024-08-16 03:48:58	MacGyver	mpan: We also have to take into account that the algorithm was hugely reworked since 2016.
2024-08-16 03:49:09	MacGyver	mpan: It's not just that I'm running a faster CPU now.
2024-08-16 03:49:47	mpan	MacGyver: not arguing, just giving you estimates from a different machine. And yes, I’m aware they changed the generator too.
2024-08-16 03:50:35	MacGyver	For a truly fair comparison I'd have to dust off the machine I was running back then and do a then-and-now kernel boot.
2024-08-16 03:50:48	MacGyver	But eh, I think the point is made.
2024-08-16 03:50:58	MacGyver	noobaroo: Re: internal workings of the RNGs, you should read https://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom/
2024-08-16 03:51:00	phrik	Title: Myths about /dev/urandom (at www.2uo.de)
2024-08-16 03:53:39	mpan	noobaroo: the misconception was basically that people somehow assumed that entropy is “used up”. Which is not true. So “/dev/random” was seen as “more secure”, because it was fed fresh random data for reseeding. But, other than purely theoretical discussions, this was never true. On top of that some people assumed “/dev/random” was a completely separate algorithm, which also
2024-08-16 03:53:39	mpan	isn’t true.
2024-08-16 03:54:05	MacGyver	noobaroo: Note that article was written 10 years ago and you're correct in that there no longer is any meaningful distinction, but the main point is that the internal structure *always* was that the csprng is involved, no matter whether you're using random or urandom.
2024-08-16 03:55:03	MacGyver	noobaroo: They didn't "improve random and do away with urandom"; they did two separate things: 1. improve the algorithm (which both random and urandom benefited from), and 2. fix the API to do away with the distinction, which they could've done without improving the algorithm.
2024-08-16 03:56:15	MacGyver	mpan: Even worse, people just assumed /dev/random was giving you unadulterated random bits that it "collected" from the system somehow.
2024-08-16 03:56:33	MacGyver	mpan: Which is of course not how anything works on a computer[1]
2024-08-16 03:57:25	mpan	From mathematical perspective there is difference between seeding once and reseeding. But not only exploiting this is impractical, but if it was, it would also imply most cryptography not working in the first place.
2024-08-16 03:57:29	MacGyver	[1] Except when you're, you know, actually building something to measure cosmic rays or shit and EVEN THEN you probably want to be running a Von Neumann extractor.
2024-08-16 04:09:03	⚡ 	topcat001 reads...
2024-08-16 04:25:35	topcat001	fascinating article
2024-08-16 04:26:03	topcat001	I heard bits and pieces of this from elsewhere, but this is nice
2024-08-16 05:11:16	skdsk	what size does arch usually have? my pretty barebones system takes up ca 10 Gb which is rather high
2024-08-16 05:12:11	mpan	skdsk: Gigabit? I’m used to people using all small letters and writing mb or gb, but you used uppercase for giga. :D
2024-08-16 05:12:46	mpan	skdsk: depends on the system too, and whether you mean installed software only or things in general (like pacman cache, some databses etc.)
2024-08-16 05:12:53	alad	skdsk: 3
2024-08-16 05:13:34	skdsk	there are some weird things like 150 MB of kernel headers
2024-08-16 05:14:01	skdsk	but I need them for dkms unfortunately, and arch is useless without compiling
2024-08-16 05:14:19	mpan	skdsk: do you have ncdu installed?
2024-08-16 05:14:36	skdsk	I have baobab which is much better
2024-08-16 05:15:15	mpan	I don’t know baobab, so can’t comment. :)
2024-08-16 05:15:28	skdsk	formerly gnome-disk-usage
2024-08-16 05:15:38	mpan	My “/usr” takes 17 GB.
2024-08-16 05:15:43	mpan	(not knowing)
2024-08-16 05:15:58	skdsk	also something requires gtk2 which is pretty ridiculous
2024-08-16 05:16:11	mpan	And 1.5 GB on VPS.
2024-08-16 05:17:18	mpan	With major things responsible being Python, LibreOffice, and KiCad. KiCad alone 6.1 GB.
2024-08-16 05:18:20	skdsk	I don't even have office yet and only one browser
2024-08-16 05:18:35	Scimmia	skdsk: 10GB with or without pacman's cache?
2024-08-16 05:19:14	skdsk	I cleared the package cache before measuring, but there are databases downloaded
2024-08-16 05:19:23	Scimmia	databases are small
2024-08-16 05:20:03	Scimmia	but...GNOME?
2024-08-16 05:20:04	mpan	Nah, no need to clear. Just use “/usr” alone for estimation, unless you have something in “/opt”. Assuming you mean things installed.
2024-08-16 05:20:25	skdsk	I have xfce with bits of gnome and kde
2024-08-16 05:20:45	Scimmia	bits of gnome and kde can pull in most of the DE
2024-08-16 05:22:03	mpan	skdsk: how many packages do you have installed?
2024-08-16 05:22:33	mpan	Because, if you only counted “/usr” (and possibly “/opt”) 10 GB sounds pretty big for what you describe.
2024-08-16 05:34:41	chikuwasuka	i have roughly 10 GB in /usr, 10 in /var, and 1 in /opt. the other directories (except of course /home) are negligible in size.
2024-08-16 05:40:16	skdsk	some under 1,000
2024-08-16 05:40:39	mpan	Hmm
2024-08-16 05:41:03	mpan	1120 here
2024-08-16 05:41:03	skdsk	it's basic, just chromium, vbox, wine etc.
2024-08-16 05:41:18	skdsk	nvidia driver
2024-08-16 05:41:46	skdsk	bluetooth but no wifi, no network manager, no ppp
2024-08-16 05:41:53	mpan	Oh, you said that it’s just barebones + browser. :D
2024-08-16 05:42:19	mpan	wine is probably to blame, as it will also pull [multilib].
2024-08-16 05:42:24	gehidore	wine is gross
2024-08-16 05:42:30	gehidore	but so useful
2024-08-16 05:45:15	chikuwasuka	the nvidia driver is also really big 
2024-08-16 05:46:31	skdsk	btw is `pacman -Qt` supposed to show the manually installed packages?
2024-08-16 05:47:08	mpan	manually = explicitly? Yes
2024-08-16 05:54:01	noobaroo	why is gtk2 even still in the repos?
2024-08-16 05:54:30	mpan	Because 94 packages require it.
2024-08-16 05:56:29	noobaroo	Seems like if they have a hard requirement on gtk2 then they probably should not be in the repos themselves
2024-08-16 05:56:43	mpan	I don’t see a reason for such a statement.
2024-08-16 05:56:51	mpan	What’s your problem with gtk2?
2024-08-16 05:59:01	noobaroo	I don't know, I haven't actually checked but I assumed that it's vulnerable to all sorts of possible security bugs since it is not maintained at all
2024-08-16 05:59:14	virtualsid	so, no problem?
2024-08-16 05:59:56	mpan	What is vulnerable? A GUI toolkit?
2024-08-16 06:01:16	mpan	Nobody forces you to install GTK2 bsaed software, if you don’t want it.
2024-08-16 06:17:16	Edu4rdSHL	That guy complaining about nonsense as usual, lol
2024-08-16 06:18:09	mpan	Edu4rdSHL: yeah. Fortunately I was reminded where I recognize the nick from. :)
2024-08-16 06:18:19	mpan	(in another channel one $person told me)
2024-08-16 06:18:29	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2024-08-16 06:29:36	gehidore	they've been assaulting the network for months now
2024-08-16 06:30:21	mpan	gehidore: but there was some break and I stopped recognizing the nick. I also think they migh’ve used n1ck w17H n00mb3rs or smth earlier.
2024-08-16 06:30:39	mpan	Or perhaps I simply wasn’t looking at the time they were talking.
2024-08-16 06:30:52	virtualsid	^^ this for me :)
2024-08-16 06:39:24	gehidore	all of that, and they were banned from many places for a spell
2024-08-16 06:39:28	gehidore	or at least quieted
2024-08-16 06:41:35	gehidore	oh fun screen tearing is back with i915
2024-08-16 06:46:40	Dworin	gehidore: not seeing it or will I only see it after restart?
2024-08-16 06:49:18	gehidore	Dworin wut
2024-08-16 06:49:28	Dworin	screen tearing
2024-08-16 06:50:35	gehidore	I dunno, I've been having various issues for a while on this gpu
2024-08-16 06:51:08	Edu4rdSHL	gehidore, which one? :D
2024-08-16 06:51:27	gehidore	oh look another mesa update
2024-08-16 06:51:51	Dworin	gehidore: ah, ok. I thought you were referring to a specific kernel/mesa update that reintroduced tearing
2024-08-16 06:51:59	gehidore	Intel Corporation HD Graphics 5500 (rev 09)
2024-08-16 06:53:14	gehidore	sure, the one before this :P
2024-08-16 06:54:16	gehidore	1:24.1.5-2 now I've got 1:24.1.6-1
2024-08-16 06:55:19	gehidore	trying real hard just now couldn't introduce the tear I was seeing
2024-08-16 06:59:49	gehidore	steam still blows it up though
2024-08-16 07:00:00	gehidore	at least I figured out why greetd wasn't restarting as I expected
2024-08-16 07:07:37	humanbob	ls
2024-08-16 07:19:02	gehidore	!ls
2024-08-16 07:19:03	phrik	gehidore: ls <an alias on #archlinux, 1 argument>
2024-08-16 07:19:08	gehidore	I hate you phrik 
2024-08-16 07:22:37	gehidore	Aug 15 21:58:31 l450 kernel: i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] sway[572] context reset due to GPU hang - down to one message now when it locks up
2024-08-16 07:22:44	gehidore	and it's no longer bright red
2024-08-16 07:22:56	Edu4rdSHL	!ls /
2024-08-16 07:22:57	phrik	drwxrwxr-x 5 / / 51 2024-08-16 05:22 pr0n/
2024-08-16 07:23:00	Edu4rdSHL	lol
2024-08-16 07:23:20	Edu4rdSHL	!ls /pr0n
2024-08-16 07:23:20	phrik	drwxrwxr-x 5 /pr0n /pr0n 51 2024-08-16 05:23 pr0n/
2024-08-16 07:23:26	Edu4rdSHL	Dumb bot
2024-08-16 07:25:23	gehidore	dumb bot is dumb
2024-08-16 07:42:33	skdsk	I could cut down on some usual arch junk like /doc, /man and licenses, but I doubt it will free more than 500 MB or so
2024-08-16 07:44:21	mpan	skdsk: are those really taking gigabytes on your system?
2024-08-16 07:44:45	mpan	skdsk: as mentioned earlier, I’d blame wine. Specifically: it pulls in [multilib].
2024-08-16 07:44:54	gehidore	what on earth system are we trying to recover this kind of space to begin with
2024-08-16 07:45:04	gehidore	wine is the devil as we discussed earlier for sure
2024-08-16 07:45:28	skdsk	removing all the .a files is also an option, but it cannot be done automatically as llvm uses some .a files during the normal compilation
2024-08-16 07:45:43	mpan	?!
2024-08-16 07:45:58	skdsk	it is an ssd, I cannot afford waste
2024-08-16 07:45:58	mpan	skdsk: do not remove random files. You will damage packages.
2024-08-16 07:46:49	skdsk	.a files in packages are static libraries and are completely useless; every other distro removes them, slackware included
2024-08-16 07:46:53	mpan	SSD for which 10 GB is a problem? I mean… you can’t even get flash disks that small anymore.
2024-08-16 07:47:36	⚡ 	Edu4rdSHL with his 2 4TB Nvmes
2024-08-16 07:47:36	mpan	skdsk: it doesn’t matter. Thos are a part of the package. If you don’t like having them in a package, perhaps you need another distro, not Arch. But I will repeat once more: I doubt this is any real problem.
2024-08-16 07:47:47	mpan	And you ignored what was already said twice about wine. Why did you ignore it?
2024-08-16 07:48:05	virtualsid	I'm also curious about virtualbox, considering kvm is built in
2024-08-16 07:49:06	skdsk	there's nothing I can do about it?
2024-08-16 07:49:42	skdsk	I thought vbox supports kvm?
2024-08-16 07:50:05	mpan	skdsk: if you intentionally damage your system, and note that those files will be reinstalled anyway upon one of the next updates anyway, you will be basically be denied any support here.
2024-08-16 07:50:19	mpan	Nobody can prohibit you from doing so, but…
2024-08-16 07:50:49	virtualsid	skdsk: how much space do you actually have, it's hard to understand how 10GB is expected to be unreasonable with all the things you have installed.
2024-08-16 07:51:06	mpan	You can also build your own packages without some files too. But if you replace official packages this way… again, you are on your own.
2024-08-16 07:51:16	skdsk	I don't even have any productivity software installed yet
2024-08-16 07:51:31	mpan	skdsk: how big is the SSD?
2024-08-16 07:52:04	skdsk	128G
2024-08-16 07:52:16	mpan	Then even if you go up to 20 GB, how is that a problem?
2024-08-16 07:52:41	skdsk	I have other stuff there you know
2024-08-16 07:52:55	virtualsid	do we?
2024-08-16 07:53:46	tusko	anyone notice how much better arch is than ubuntu?
2024-08-16 07:54:07	Edu4rdSHL	nope
2024-08-16 07:54:09	virtualsid	tusko: weird comment.
2024-08-16 07:54:21	tusko	virtualsid: you're weird
2024-08-16 07:54:44	virtualsid	yes, but that's offtopic :)
2024-08-16 07:54:57	rv1sr	Neither is "better" than the other (said as someone who'd not touch ubuntu with a pole). it's a matter of requirements
2024-08-16 07:55:29	Edu4rdSHL	Nah
2024-08-16 07:55:36	Edu4rdSHL	Ubuntu is better
2024-08-16 07:55:38	Edu4rdSHL	!as
2024-08-16 07:55:39	phrik	Arch Sucks™
2024-08-16 07:55:40	tusko	idk, when I run pacman -S <package> in arch I don't get some (possibly broken) snap. I get the actual package.
2024-08-16 07:55:44	virtualsid	skdsk: what is your end goal here, the tiniest system possible to run... what? e.g. why do you have wine, and vbox? you realise that vbox will need disk images, etc?
2024-08-16 07:56:11	skdsk	I have disk images on other disks
2024-08-16 07:56:14	mpan	skdsk: it’s really hard to advice anything, if we don’t know all your constraints. We can point to wine being likely responsible for a large portion of the space usage rn. 
2024-08-16 07:56:37	mpan	skdsk: we can tell, what will either not work or will give you trouble.
2024-08-16 07:57:59	skdsk	it is hard to compare arch to ubuntu i think
2024-08-16 07:58:22	skdsk	ubuntu is more lean and much more easy to use
2024-08-16 07:58:24	mpan	It’s not needed either.
2024-08-16 07:58:38	mpan	May we return to your problem? :)
2024-08-16 07:58:52	tusko	I will disagree all day about ubuntu being easier to use than arch. arch just works
2024-08-16 08:00:19	Edu4rdSHL	!rant
2024-08-16 08:00:20	phrik	Edu4rdSHL: Eh?
2024-08-16 08:00:25	Edu4rdSHL	Eeh
2024-08-16 08:03:05	tusko	i see the autists are out in full effect tonight
2024-08-16 08:04:48	skdsk	gst-plugins-* are kind of packages that pacman cannot handle
2024-08-16 08:05:13	tusko	xfce has some weird bug with its panel
2024-08-16 08:05:14	Edu4rdSHL	skdsk, ?
2024-08-16 08:05:45	skdsk	they contain a lot of dynamically loaded libraries, but pacman sees their dependencies and adds them as mandatory dependencies to the entire package
2024-08-16 08:05:54	Edu4rdSHL	Thanks, BrainDamage <3
2024-08-16 08:06:39	Edu4rdSHL	skdsk, uh?
2024-08-16 08:06:59	skdsk	for example https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/gst-plugins-bad/
2024-08-16 08:07:19	Edu4rdSHL	What the problem is?
2024-08-16 08:08:12	mpan	BrainDamage: thanks. :3
2024-08-16 08:08:35	mpan	BrainDamage++
2024-08-16 08:08:46	skdsk	all usr/lib/gstreamer-1.0/libgst*.so files are loaded dynamically but their dependencies are the manatory dependencies of the entire package
2024-08-16 08:08:51	mpan	skdsk: I was insisting on returning to the topic, because tusko is a recurring troll. :)
2024-08-16 08:09:59	Edu4rdSHL	skdsk, I don't get the issue tho
2024-08-16 08:11:19	mpan	skdsk: but gst-plugins-bad are optional for pretty much everything. Only a few exceptions of software that must have them.
2024-08-16 08:11:32	skdsk	the problem is if I need a single format from that package I need to install all the rest, like DVD and MIDI playback (I don't even remember when I saw a video dvd last time, and i don't listen to midi, mod, or other similar stuff)
2024-08-16 08:12:00	mpan	skdsk: yes. Because this is how upstream decides to package them.
2024-08-16 08:12:15	mpan	Arch generally follows upstream’s choices.
2024-08-16 08:12:39	Edu4rdSHL	Also, Arch try to just bundle everything as much as possible and not split packages too much
2024-08-16 08:12:44	Edu4rdSHL	It's a design choice
2024-08-16 08:15:45	skdsk	the decision to use the upstream grouping is ok, the question is the optional components have mandatory dependencies - which is a package choice and probably the deficiency of pacman which scans the files for *.so files and adds their imports to the manual dependency list
2024-08-16 08:16:11	mpan	This is how it’s being done here.
2024-08-16 08:16:21	Edu4rdSHL	It's done by the developer, no by pacman
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2024-08-17 17:06:13	medic2016	I found that pacman has the ability for syntax highlighting, but you have to use sudo pacman <command> --color (always, never, or auto). Is there a way to make this happen all the time without typing all this in?
2024-08-17 17:06:36	Foxboron	medic2016: man pacman.conf
2024-08-17 17:08:12	medic2016	Foxboron: Thank you! That was stupid easy lol
2024-08-17 17:08:35	Foxboron	medic2016: :) You could also just have looked at pacman.conf and "Color" would have been there as well
2024-08-17 17:08:44	Foxboron	the file itself, that is
2024-08-17 17:09:28	medic2016	Foxboron: Right. The same for yay?
2024-08-17 17:09:39	Foxboron	I have no clue how yay works
2024-08-17 17:10:56	medic2016	Foxboron: All good, thank you for your help with pacman
2024-08-17 17:11:00	susi	remember to add ILoveCandy  to your pacman.confs, if it's still supported
2024-08-17 17:11:49	demonicmaniac1	VerbosePkgLists is nice as well
2024-08-17 17:12:04	susi	yes, that too
2024-08-17 17:12:16	medic2016	I'm stupid, what does that do?
2024-08-17 17:12:43	susi	but is VerbosePkgLists anymore a thing?
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2024-08-17 17:15:31	demonicmaniac1	yes
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2024-08-17 17:20:43	MacGyver	In 11 days my Xorg resident memory footprint has grown from 350MiB to 1GiB.
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2024-08-17 17:24:39	chowbok	ILoveCandy is still supported.
2024-08-17 17:25:57	susi	it's mentioned nowhere, and it really should be the default
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2024-08-17 17:30:44	medic2016	where is the yay config file? I have .config/yay but there is nothing in the directory
2024-08-17 17:33:16	MacGyver	The manpage implies it will be there.
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2024-08-17 17:33:27	MacGyver	If there is no file, I assume it's just running with defaults.
2024-08-17 17:33:51	MacGyver	The manpage also says you're not supposed to edit that file by hand anyway, and go through yay itself to configure it.
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2024-08-17 18:07:48	falconindy	nothing i love more than discovering that a 5 year old bug is something i had already fixed 6 years ago.
2024-08-17 18:08:08	MacGyver	falconindy: Are you running Debian again?
2024-08-17 18:08:22	falconindy	i've been running Debian at work for years
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2024-08-17 18:08:40	falconindy	but no, this is my own code.
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2024-08-17 18:09:37	MacGyver	So you fixed it 6 years ago, then reintroduced the bug 5 years ago... but you're not a contributor to openssh are you?
2024-08-17 18:09:48	falconindy	lol no
2024-08-17 18:10:49	MacGyver	Unrelated: do we have memoserv or similar functionality?
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2024-08-17 18:11:52	falconindy	Yeah, Libera seems to have a memoserv
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2024-08-17 18:16:51	phrik	mingdao: Eh?
2024-08-17 18:17:03	phrik	mingdao: Say what?
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2024-08-17 18:20:56	phrik	mingdao: Tada!
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2024-08-19 19:40:19	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-19 19:40:19	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1435 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1435 regular)
2024-08-19 19:37:58	jclsn	Ah the gen_compile_commands.py script from the kernel repo actually works a treat!
2024-08-19 19:40:19	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-19 20:13:34	falconindy	jelle: lolok, got a python server running off of the metadata tarball. anything the tarball can't handle just gets forwarded to the real AUR.
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2024-08-22 13:52:29	jl2	Hello, steam (and steam-native) doesn not work after updating
2024-08-22 13:52:44	jl2	steam just returns and steam-native says:
2024-08-22 13:52:56	jl2	 /usr/bin/steam-native: line 9: /usr/lib/steam/steam: Success
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2024-08-22 13:56:54	Namarrgon	Does the non-native runtime work?
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2024-08-22 13:57:43	jl2	normal steam? yes
2024-08-22 13:57:53	jl2	sorry no it doesn't
2024-08-22 13:58:00	Namarrgon	'steam-runtime'
2024-08-22 13:58:10	jl2	nope
2024-08-22 13:58:17	Namarrgon	what is the output?
2024-08-22 13:58:32	jl2	nothing
2024-08-22 13:58:39	jl2	and exit is 0
2024-08-22 13:58:41	Namarrgon	Is steam already running?
2024-08-22 13:58:52	jl2	no
2024-08-22 13:59:06	Namarrgon	how did you check?
2024-08-22 13:59:12	jl2	pgrep steam
2024-08-22 13:59:18	Namarrgon	pacman -Qkk steam
2024-08-22 13:59:49	jl2	error: error while reading file /var/lib/pacman/local/steam-1.0.0.81-2/mtree: Unrecognized archive format
2024-08-22 14:00:18	jl2	steam: no mtree file
2024-08-22 14:00:24	Namarrgon	Reinstall steam then check the rest of "-Qkk" for other issues.
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2024-08-22 14:01:23	jl2	says some files exist in the filesystem
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2024-08-22 14:02:22	jl2	right, it was oerwrite not force
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2024-08-22 14:02:38	Namarrgon	Files that are supposedly owned by the steam package?
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2024-08-22 14:03:42	jl2	works now, thank you
2024-08-22 14:04:06	jl2	my egpu cable just lost connection somehow
2024-08-22 14:04:54	Namarrgon	Check the rest of -Qkk.
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2024-08-22 14:05:37	jl2	steam: 56 total files, 0 altered files
2024-08-22 14:06:10	Namarrgon	"pacman -Qkk"
2024-08-22 14:06:11	jl2	So I'm good now, thank you
2024-08-22 14:06:16	Namarrgon	No, you're not good now.
2024-08-22 14:06:33	jl2	That was pacman -Qkk steam
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2024-08-22 14:06:49	jl2	It was the only package that needed updating
2024-08-22 14:07:26	jl2	And apparently I crashed the update because of my fkin egpu
2024-08-22 14:07:40	Namarrgon	How do you know it was limited to a single package?
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2024-08-22 14:08:22	jl2	I remember that it was the only package when I hit enter to confirm updating
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2024-08-22 14:10:57	jl2	Anyway, thank you for leading me on the right lead Namarrgon
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2024-08-22 15:14:15	Ena0	Hey guys any camera app I install like deepin-camera or booth just opens and quickly closes. Any ideas what might be happening? I'm on KDE everyting is max updated. 
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2024-08-22 15:15:21	Antiz	Ena0: You can try running the said app from the terminal to see if it outputs any error message or something.
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2024-08-22 15:16:47	Ena0	Antiz: Oh all right thanks for the hint! I'm getting many errors haha
2024-08-22 15:17:36	Antiz	Ena0: You're welcome! That should fortunately help to identify the cause :)
2024-08-22 15:17:45	Antiz	s/fortunately/hopefully
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2024-08-22 15:18:07	Ena0	Antiz: Yeah I'm on it rn ;)
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2024-08-22 15:21:54	Ena0	Antiz: Thanks again see ya!!
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2024-08-22 15:27:06	sibyla	why is my networkmanager setting google dns in resolvconf, i dont remember what i did but how do i change it
2024-08-22 15:27:26	◣	intelfx (~intelfx@109.172.181.47) has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2024-08-22 15:27:59	MrElendig	because you told  it to at some point
2024-08-22 15:28:07	MrElendig	(also why resolvconf?)
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2024-08-22 15:28:43	MrElendig	start by checking the connection profile
2024-08-22 15:29:30	MrElendig	and if getting dns from dhcp, check the setting in your dhcp server
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2024-08-22 15:35:56	sibyla	thanks
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2024-08-22 16:56:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-22 18:08:47	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-22 18:56:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-22 20:16:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-22 21:00:47	susi	__builtin: hi
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2024-08-22 21:06:11	teraflops	is this playing at 96khz or 48khz? https://paste.priet.us/screenshot_2024-08-22-21-04-00.png
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2024-08-22 21:16:43	BrainDamage	yes
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2024-08-22 21:24:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-22 21:24:01	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1414 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1414 regular)
2024-08-22 21:17:51	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, the bluetooth device is at 48khz
2024-08-22 21:18:05	Edu4rdSHL	That's what matter for you, I think?
2024-08-22 21:24:02	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-08-22 21:24:15	teraflops	yeah
2024-08-22 21:24:28	teraflops	trying to upsample to 96
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2024-08-22 23:31:58	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-22 23:31:58	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1399 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1399 regular)
2024-08-22 21:45:23	red_man	hey all
2024-08-22 21:59:57	Edu4rdSHL	404 not found
2024-08-22 22:07:48	astralc	this prove Erus_Iluvatar is a wiki bot that got conscious robot
2024-08-22 22:08:03	astralc	s/robot$//
2024-08-22 22:13:02	Erus_Iluvatar	!bot
2024-08-22 22:13:03	phrik	I'm a bot! ~does the binary solo~ 00001 000011 0000111
2024-08-22 22:20:47	red_man	hey all whats new
2024-08-22 22:21:11	CarloWood	The "whats new" part is new.
2024-08-22 22:21:30	red_man	yeah splendid
2024-08-22 22:37:07	intelfx	Hey. Quick question to Firefox users, should any be here: how do you change the font of the Reader Mode in uptodate Firefox?
2024-08-22 22:37:50	intelfx	(meaning "change the font to a specific family", not just some hardcoded serif/sans-serif/monospace)
2024-08-22 22:42:35	gaku	intelfx: about:config for reader.font_type
2024-08-22 22:43:13	astralc	there is button in reader mode
2024-08-22 22:43:15	gaku	I personally let fontconfig handle everything and have everything use either of the 3 aliases
2024-08-22 22:43:38	astralc	ah it only for "serif/sans"
2024-08-22 22:43:40	gaku	astralc: that too, I just thought they wanted a way to do it via user.js
2024-08-22 22:44:12	intelfx	_any_ way to do it will do
2024-08-22 22:45:00	intelfx	I'd be moderately happy to use just "serif" or "sans-serif" and then deal with it with fontconfig, but from what I can see in the devtools, if I choose "serif" then the font gets hardcoded to Georgia
2024-08-22 22:45:18	intelfx	"moderately" because general preferences != reading preferences
2024-08-22 22:46:07	intelfx	what should I put into reader.font_type?
2024-08-22 22:52:21	intelfx	Oh. It seems I can put custom font families into `reader.font_config_values` and they will appear beside/instead of the default "Serif" / "Sans-serif" / "Monospace" entries
2024-08-22 22:53:00	intelfx	and the three default entries get transparently converted into some browser-hardcoded fonts instead of being resolved via fontconfig
2024-08-22 22:53:04	intelfx	WTF, Mozilla...
2024-08-22 23:01:29	gaku	intelfx: do they?
2024-08-22 23:01:31	gaku	lemme see
2024-08-22 23:01:39	intelfx	they do for me
2024-08-22 23:02:47	intelfx	I have serif, sans-serif and monospace aliased to Noto Serif / Noto Sans / Iosevka via fontconfig, and yet I get Georgia, Nimbus Sans and goddamn Courier New respectively
2024-08-22 23:24:31	brjl	Um... I just lost all ability to use the keyboard on X or Wayland...
2024-08-22 23:24:56	brjl	But it works fine on the pure terminal...
2024-08-22 23:30:42	brjl	... nvm unplugging it and plugging it back in got it working again...
2024-08-22 23:30:53	brjl	After many reboots, that is
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2024-08-23 15:35:16	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-23 15:36:22	teraflops	weeee finally I got hi-res over bt
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2024-08-23 16:10:47	javashin	good day , i need to block a simple pkg from a single repo ignore to not be installed 
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2024-08-23 16:12:01	Betal	teraflops: some pipewire update? :O
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2024-08-23 16:13:47	teraflops	Betal: nope I had to create an override at ~/.config/pipewire/pipewire.conf.d/pwrate.conf
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2024-08-23 16:16:43	astralc	Betal: this sound like major xyproblem... also, do you want to have specific dependency not installed?
2024-08-23 16:17:02	Betal	teraflops: was this with usb device (that does magic bt without linux see), or bt dongle -> device?
2024-08-23 16:17:13	teraflops	Betal: bluetooth
2024-08-23 16:17:13	astralc	sorry javashin 
2024-08-23 16:17:22	teraflops	for dac I have no problem
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2024-08-23 16:19:01	mpan	javashin: hello. That is a statement. What is the question?
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2024-08-23 16:19:40	teraflops	Betal: https://paste.priet.us/nrc2/ the key is the second array so the system changes automatically depending on the source w/o doing transcoding
2024-08-23 16:19:42	mpan	javashin: also, what’s the reason? Please keep in mind that partial upgrades are unsupported and likely to damage your system. So this is usually a bad idea, unless done only for debugging or to *temporarily* circumvent other issues.
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2024-08-23 16:23:02	teraflops	Betal: https://paste.priet.us/screenshot_2024-08-23-16-22-31.png
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2024-08-23 16:46:50	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-23 16:48:16	Scimmia	you can always specify the repo on the command line
2024-08-23 16:48:25	Scimmia	but you can't just totally ignore one
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2024-08-23 22:20:34	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: idk if you remember that yesterday I asked about bluetooth bitrate and it wasn't working as expected. now it does 96khz over ldac ;) https://paste.priet.us/screenshot_2024-08-23-22-17-27.png
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2024-08-23 22:40:48	Trel	When you have multiple versions of QT and as such Qmake, how do you specify which qmake to call when using cmake to build? It's picking up the Qt5 one but needs to pick up the qt6 one
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2024-08-23 22:41:28	Trel	I recall there being some envar or option to pass, but I'm not finding it by searching
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2024-08-23 22:48:53	tyfon	you can try cmake -DQT_QMAKE_EXECUTABLE=/usr/bin/qmake6
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2024-08-23 22:50:30	Trel	Still getting "-- Using Qt 5.15.14 (/usr/bin/qmake)"
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2024-08-23 22:52:30	Trel	sadly no luck
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2024-08-23 23:01:35	teraflops	Trel: cmake -DCMAKE_PREFIX_PATH=... ?
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2024-08-23 23:05:29	Trel	It doesn't appear to help assuming I'm using it right
2024-08-23 23:05:39	Trel	What should I be setting it to /usr/lib/qt6?
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2024-08-23 23:06:53	teraflops	yes
2024-08-23 23:07:14	Trel	I get the same line in the cmake output: -- Using Qt 5.15.14 (/usr/bin/qmake)
2024-08-23 23:07:25	teraflops	I mean cmake -DCMAKE_PREFIX_PATH=/path/to/qt5/lib/cmake
2024-08-23 23:07:30	teraflops	or 6
2024-08-23 23:07:46	Trel	And the same error CMake Error at /usr/lib/cmake/Qt6Qml/Qt6QmlMacros.cmake:2850 (message):
2024-08-23 23:07:48	Trel	  qt_generate_foreign_qml_types() is only available in Qt 6.
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2024-08-23 23:08:40	teraflops	Trel: do you have a  CMakeLists.txt?
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2024-08-23 23:09:48	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, share the config :p
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2024-08-23 23:10:18	Edu4rdSHL	I have the Sony WH-1000XM5 over LDAC too
2024-08-23 23:10:23	teraflops	Trel: as last resort, export PATH=/path/to/qt5/bin:$PATH cmake ;)
2024-08-23 23:10:30	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: omw
2024-08-23 23:10:34	Edu4rdSHL	And grats for getting it done
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2024-08-23 23:12:52	Trel	That was next, but apparently an RC version builds normally.  I'm trying that, but also of note is that I need to try a clean build because I'm not sure it will build as is
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2024-08-23 23:13:01	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: ~/.config/wireplumber/bluetooth.lua.d/50-bluez.config.lua https://paste.priet.us/vb8m/ and ~/.config/pipewire/pipewire.conf.d/pwrate.conf https://paste.priet.us/3659/
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2024-08-23 23:13:23	Edu4rdSHL	Direct to obsidian, tysm
2024-08-23 23:13:28	Trel	Unless the mere presence of 6 breaks the build
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2024-08-23 23:14:18	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: the pwrate.conf looks weird but it's ok as it does not resample anything beyond 96khz which is the max of ldac in hq mode
2024-08-23 23:14:20	mrbcmorris	Hey folks, just put together my first AUR package.  Anyone willing to give me a review on the PKGBUILD?  Trying to make sure I understand the idioms of how to build a good one.
2024-08-23 23:14:53	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, just was about to ask about the default rate
2024-08-23 23:14:58	Edu4rdSHL	Ty for clraifying
2024-08-23 23:15:02	Edu4rdSHL	clarifying *
2024-08-23 23:15:07	mrbcmorris	pkg here: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ttf-unifontex-mono
2024-08-23 23:15:08	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - ttf-unifontex-mono (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-08-23 23:15:09	teraflops	it picks the right one depending on the source
2024-08-23 23:17:42	Namarrgon	mrbcmorris: Is the license you install the gpl or the ofl text?
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2024-08-23 23:18:13	Namarrgon	gpl2 is already covered by the 'licenses' package but i don't spot 'ofl' in there.
2024-08-23 23:19:57	Trel	teraflops: is that a likely scenario that having qt5 and qt6 breaks the build?
2024-08-23 23:20:37	teraflops	if you append it to the cmake command itself i dont think so
2024-08-23 23:21:01	teraflops	PATH=/path/to/qt5/bin:$PATH cmake 
2024-08-23 23:21:07	teraflops	PATH=/path/to/qt6/bin:$PATH cmake 
2024-08-23 23:21:20	teraflops	but I did not test just a guess
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2024-08-23 23:22:46	Trel	teraflops: it fails on cleanbuild too
2024-08-23 23:22:51	teraflops	;(
2024-08-23 23:23:39	Trel	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/nextcloud-client
2024-08-23 23:23:40	phrik	Title: Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / nextcloud-client · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-08-23 23:23:58	Trel	I tried from that with `makepkg -s --skippgpcheck -c`
2024-08-23 23:24:24	Trel	Same error I pasted
2024-08-23 23:25:00	Trel	That should be capitalized
2024-08-23 23:25:03	Trel	(the C)
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2024-08-23 23:27:57	Trel	(that was a typo here, not when I ran it)
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2024-08-23 23:29:44	teraflops	Trel: I can build the package here I guess
2024-08-23 23:29:53	teraflops	i mean and send it to you
2024-08-23 23:30:05	Trel	Does a clean build include installed system packages
2024-08-23 23:30:24	teraflops	https://paste.priet.us/nextcloud-client-2:3.13.2-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst https://paste.priet.us/nextcloud-client-2:3.13.2-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst.sig
2024-08-23 23:30:30	Trel	I can build a newer version
2024-08-23 23:30:40	Trel	3.14.0-RC1 builds fine
2024-08-23 23:30:59	Trel	But 3.13.3 which is what's in the Repos and what the pkgbuild tries to make fails to build
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2024-08-23 23:33:04	Trel	I'm curious though does installing qt6-declarative break the clean build for you?
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2024-08-23 23:33:37	teraflops	I just did yay -S nextcloud-client
2024-08-23 23:33:49	mrbcmorris	Namarrgon: Good question-- I just saw that they had a specific LICENSE in the GitHub repo (I'm just repacking someone elses work)
2024-08-23 23:33:50	teraflops	let me check
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2024-08-23 23:34:17	mrbcmorris	Going to diff it to a standard gpl2
2024-08-23 23:34:47	mrbcmorris	also thank you for looking at the pkg, I appreciate it!
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2024-08-23 23:36:46	teraflops	Trel: wait, 3.12.3 is in the repos, I thought it was in the AUR why are you trying to build it?
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2024-08-23 23:38:06	Trel	I use different configuration, and a system update broke my current one so was re-compiling
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2024-08-23 23:38:19	Trel	And ran into the issue
2024-08-23 23:38:28	Trel	But what I'm saying is the clean build of Arch's package fails
2024-08-23 23:39:07	Trel	(Repos have 3.13.3)
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2024-08-23 23:43:54	Trel	if it works, try with qt6-base and qt6-declarative installed
2024-08-23 23:44:00	Trel	To your overall system
2024-08-23 23:44:15	Trel	The file that reports the error comes from the latter package
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2024-08-23 23:44:45	Namarrgon	Are these packages required in the "clean" environment?
2024-08-23 23:45:30	teraflops	Trel: it built here
2024-08-23 23:45:49	Trel	Namarrgon: no, I have them installed system, I didn't specify anything to install them in the clean environment
2024-08-23 23:46:04	Trel	teraflops: with/without those packages installed
2024-08-23 23:46:25	Namarrgon	What does "system" mean here? The clean build environment or the environment you install them into later
2024-08-23 23:46:56	teraflops	with qt6-base and qt6-declarative
2024-08-23 23:46:56	Namarrgon	If you pollute the environment with unnecessary packages then it is no longer "clean"
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2024-08-23 23:47:11	Trel	Namarrgon: installed to my local system
2024-08-23 23:47:35	Namarrgon	That's no longer "clean" then.
2024-08-23 23:47:37	mrbcmorris	One more question...  I found the license I should update my AUR package to here: https://unifoundry.com/LICENSE.txt.  I'm not sure the durability of this hyperlink-- would it be advised to link to the source regardless or include the LICENSE in the git repository itself?
2024-08-23 23:47:47	Trel	Namarrgon: so then the -C switch to makepkg does nothing?
2024-08-23 23:48:14	Namarrgon	Trel: No, that's not for cleaning the environment.
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2024-08-23 23:48:31	Namarrgon	mrbcmorris: If it is a modified gplv2 text then you have to install that.
2024-08-23 23:48:37	teraflops	I just did, makepkg -sri
2024-08-23 23:49:04	Trel	Namarrgon: how do you clean build with makepkg?
2024-08-23 23:49:10	mrbcmorris	It is modified a bit, I just wasn't sure if the right thing to do would be commit the LICENSE to the AUR repo itself or link out to download it when building the package
2024-08-23 23:49:36	Namarrgon	Trel: You can't do it with just makepkg. The devtools package contains 'pkgctl' and a bunch of helper scripts that will build packages in a clean chroot.
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2024-08-23 23:49:55	Namarrgon	Trel: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:Building_in_a_clean_chroot
2024-08-23 23:49:56	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:Building in a clean chroot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-08-23 23:50:30	Namarrgon	mrbcmorris: You can add it to source= just fine, you don't have to (and shouldn't) re-host it in the AUR.
2024-08-23 23:51:13	Namarrgon	mrbcmorris: It's not wrong but a bit overkill to add the $pkgrel to the source names.
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2024-08-23 23:51:37	Namarrgon	It's a pity upstream doesn't have a sane versioning scheme.
2024-08-23 23:51:37	Trel	Perhaps the name of that option on makepkg could be changed then
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2024-08-23 23:51:56	Namarrgon	Trel: No, it does exactly what the manual and help-text says.
2024-08-23 23:51:58	mrbcmorris	gotcha.  I'll make these updates.  I appreciate your time and help today.
2024-08-23 23:52:17	Trel	the phrase "cleanbuild" is being used for two separate things, no?
2024-08-23 23:52:21	Namarrgon	Trel: It cleans up the build directory
2024-08-23 23:52:57	Namarrgon	That doesn't clean the environment, nor does it make the systemd-wide installed packages go away.
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2024-08-23 23:53:12	Trel	I mean maybe 'cleanupbuild' or 'cleanbuildenv'
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2024-08-23 23:53:25	Trel	So "cleanbuild" isn't used for two separate meanings
2024-08-23 23:53:34	Namarrgon	You shouldn't guess what options do, there is a manual that explains it.
2024-08-23 23:54:00	Namarrgon	If you feel that strongly about it then you're free to file a bugreport upstream.
2024-08-23 23:54:02	Trel	I didn't guess so much as I grepped the --help option to see if there was a built in cleanbuild option
2024-08-23 23:54:04	Trel	and I found one
2024-08-23 23:54:09	Trel	It just meant something else
2024-08-23 23:54:23	Namarrgon	"Remove $srcdir/ dir before building the package"
2024-08-23 23:54:33	Trel	Yes, I see that now that I'm not grepping for it
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2024-08-23 23:54:37	Trel	and am reading it outright
2024-08-23 23:54:57	Namarrgon	That would have popped up when you grepped it.
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2024-08-23 23:57:45	Trel	I checked if a cleanbuild switch existed, that was all, my custom shell prompt shows me the return code of the previous command
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2024-08-23 23:58:28	Trel	That bit is irrelvant though, I was just saying the separate meanings within somewhat closely related systems can be confusing
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2024-08-23 23:59:10	Namarrgon	Either way, take a look at the devtools tools.
2024-08-24 00:00:07	Trel	I'm reading that now, but a quick yes/no, does the buildroot there stay clean between builds or that a process each time?
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2024-08-24 00:03:52	Namarrgon	It will be rebuild every time unless you explicitly tell it not to rebuild it.
2024-08-24 00:03:56	Namarrgon	*rebuilt
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2024-08-24 00:10:20	Trel	It looks like it's working to build that way.  Though that does definitely seem to confirm that there's some issue having both versions of qt present.
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2024-08-24 00:12:50	Namarrgon	That has always been a painful experience.
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2024-08-24 15:19:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-24 15:54:56	rkta	Hi, I'm looking for the maintainer of w3m. I can't find an email address on the packages site. How should I contact them?
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2024-08-24 15:55:33	Namarrgon	Have you checked the PKGBUILD?
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2024-08-24 15:58:03	rkta	Namarrgon: Where would I find that as a non-arch user?
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2024-08-24 15:58:06	Namarrgon	https://archlinux.org/people/package-maintainers/#lfleischer
2024-08-24 15:58:07	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Maintainers (at archlinux.org)
2024-08-24 15:58:27	rkta	ah, thanks
2024-08-24 15:58:31	Namarrgon	Find the package in the package search, click the "Source Files" link
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2024-08-24 15:58:52	lmat	I have a SSH connection to another machine. That SSH connection has been alive at least a day now. I left it overnight and now the maximum speed over the link is about 100 mbps. Yesterday it was 1000 mbps. I checked `ip addr` on the server and client and both say "...state UP group default qlen 1000" Why would the maximum speed go down and how do I get it back up?
2024-08-24 15:58:53	Namarrgon	But i see now that they're not listed as the maintainer for some reason.
2024-08-24 15:59:01	Scimmia	I'm not sure they're still active, though
2024-08-24 15:59:06	HaMsTeRs	Guys, please excuse that I'm a noob.  I found there are some freece disks for one of my VM (single node setup).  My question is: are they safe to remove? (PVE)
2024-08-24 15:59:37	Namarrgon	"freece disks"?
2024-08-24 16:00:14	lmat	"free disks" maybe? But still, what is a free disk?
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2024-08-24 16:00:40	HaMsTeRs	Namarrgon: ya
2024-08-24 16:00:59	Namarrgon	Can you rephrase your question, i don't think it makes any sense.
2024-08-24 16:01:21	Namarrgon	What do you see and where?
2024-08-24 16:01:47	HaMsTeRs	freece disks.   eg. lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root    8 Aug 22 23:44 vm-102-fleece-0 -> ../dm-13, lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root    8 Aug 22 23:44 vm-102-fleece-1 -> ../dm-14
2024-08-24 16:02:04	HaMsTeRs	-> /dev/pve/
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2024-08-24 16:02:49	Namarrgon	So this is a proxmox vm?
2024-08-24 16:03:50	HaMsTeRs	that's correct
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2024-08-24 16:05:17	glitsj16	rkta: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/w3m/ shows T.J. Townsend as last packager - you should be able to find contact details on the gitlab i guess
2024-08-24 16:05:18	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - w3m 0.5.3.git20230713_1-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
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2024-08-24 16:06:56	rkta	glitsj16: thanks, I'll to contact them.
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2024-08-24 16:08:47	lmat	HaMsTeRs: You'll probably get better help at #proxmox. They might even have known that "freece" actually means "fleece".
2024-08-24 16:09:12	Namarrgon	HaMsTeRs: https://pve.proxmox.com/pve-docs/chapter-vzdump.html#_vm_backup_fleecing
2024-08-24 16:09:13	phrik	Title: Backup and Restore (at pve.proxmox.com)
2024-08-24 16:09:20	Namarrgon	Which distro are you running in that vm?
2024-08-24 16:09:39	HaMsTeRs	Thank you.  Yep, I'm already there.  a guy name buZz seem got high off 420
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2024-08-24 16:17:44	HaMsTeRs	Thanks all.  Looks like I got the answer after googled around.   For anyone who encounter similar issue in the future, those fleece disks are junk created from faulty backup jobs.  https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/orphaned-fleecing-files.148151/  ,  and it should be safe to remove.
2024-08-24 16:17:45	phrik	Title: Orphaned Fleecing Files | Proxmox Support Forum (at forum.proxmox.com)
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2024-08-24 16:46:36	DodoGTA	What's the package with the largest pkgrel that ever existed in the official Arch repos? As of today it's this package: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/haskell-js-jquery/
2024-08-24 16:46:37	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - haskell-js-jquery 3.3.1-1005 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2024-08-24 16:47:11	jelle	it's not a competition :-)
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2024-08-24 16:56:15	mkoskar	DodoGTA: confirmed! :)
2024-08-24 16:56:40	mpan	DodoGTA: look across Haskell-dependent packages.
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2024-08-24 17:02:12	mkoskar	https://mkoskar.com/p/WPGM.txt frequencies
2024-08-24 17:05:22	mkoskar	mpan: -173 is strangely popular :)
2024-08-24 17:12:03	mpan	My guess would be those are packages with just a few haskell deps where only one chain, the same one, gets updated.
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2024-08-24 17:13:50	mkoskar	yep they are haskell-
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2024-08-24 17:34:44	gehidore	well that's unfortunate, appears I'm successfully using hybrid-sleep on lid close and yet the battery died last night and on reboot the log shows it found a hibernation image and even successfully resumed but here I am on what appears to be a cold boot
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2024-08-24 17:40:04	Sving1024	Hi.
2024-08-24 17:41:04	Sving1024	I'm writing a pkgbuild for a python module. I found following lines in pyprojects.toml
2024-08-24 17:41:24	Sving1024	[project.optional-dependencies]
2024-08-24 17:41:24	Sving1024	doh = ["dnspython[doh]"]
2024-08-24 17:41:24	Sving1024	doq = ["dnspython[doq]"]
2024-08-24 17:43:14	Sving1024	in the pyprojects.toml of dnspython
2024-08-24 17:43:24	Sving1024	[project.optional-dependencies]
2024-08-24 17:43:24	Sving1024	doh = ["httpcore>=1.0.0", "httpx>=0.26.0", "h2>=4.1.0"]
2024-08-24 17:43:25	Sving1024	doq = ["aioquic>=1.0.0"]
2024-08-24 17:43:47	Sving1024	Should i add python-httpcode etc, to the optdepends array?
2024-08-24 17:43:49	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-24 17:46:28	mansuetus	phrik: second best after haskel... is extra/haskell-fdo-notify 0.3.1-742
2024-08-24 17:46:28	phrik	mansuetus: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
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2024-08-24 17:47:13	mansuetus	DodoGTA: second best after haskel... is extra/haskell-fdo-notify 0.3.1-742 (and the highest non haskell is extra/bbswitch 0.8-693)
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2024-08-24 18:19:04	gehidore	oh no it didn't userspace decided to reset without any sort of entry into log about it
2024-08-24 18:19:14	gehidore	weeeird
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2024-08-24 20:20:17	bigshot	i am trying to update freshrss but it says HTTP server must have write access
2024-08-24 20:20:31	bigshot	how to provide write access i am using podman
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2024-08-24 20:38:25	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-24 20:38:25	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1378 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1378 regular)
2024-08-24 20:31:23	Namarrgon	Are you still on ubuntu?
2024-08-24 20:38:26	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-24 20:45:11	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-24 20:45:12	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1379 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1379 regular)
2024-08-24 20:43:09	bigshot	Namarrgon, pardon me but how do you make money?
2024-08-24 20:43:53	bigshot	do you do some job or work from home?
2024-08-24 20:44:20	bigshot00	hurry before i go
2024-08-24 20:45:12	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-08-24 20:45:17	Namarrgon	A bit of both. Why is that important?
2024-08-24 20:45:30	bigshot00	cause you are always on irc
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2024-08-24 20:46:05	bigshot00	anyways later
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2024-08-24 20:46:25	Namarrgon	What about my question? :(
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2024-08-24 20:51:47	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-24 20:51:47	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1375 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1375 regular)
2024-08-24 20:49:57	edgy	Hi, isn't kde-applications-meta out of date? someone flagged it and someone removed the flag, why?
2024-08-24 20:50:27	astralc	why meta package be out of date?
2024-08-24 20:51:28	susi	it's a meta package depending on other meta packages
2024-08-24 20:51:48	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-25 15:02:02	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-25 15:02:02	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1387 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1387 regular)
2024-08-25 03:30:57	gehidore	https://0x0.st/Xy05.txt gpu hangs are the best
2024-08-25 05:19:39	digital_mystik	hello.. did archlinuxDOTorg start blocking mullvad IPs? noticed today that I'm unable to fetch the news feed or the AUR, so I tried in the browser as well and no dice.. same deal on my mobile so it's not just my comp
2024-08-25 05:21:37	kode54	that's no good, since I have a vm that lives exclusve
2024-08-25 05:21:59	kode54	*exclusively behind a vpn with tailscale for direct access
2024-08-25 05:22:14	digital_mystik	looks like it was just one server for me.. messed around on my phone so it's probably just a non-issue
2024-08-25 05:49:34	rcf	I presume they use cloudflare like everything else 
2024-08-25 05:51:05	Scimmia	primarly hetzner, I believe
2024-08-25 05:52:34	rcf	That makes sense, seeing as how I can't seem to get blocked on any mullvad server I try 
2024-08-25 06:20:22	bluetail	Scimmia hetzner mirror for ubuntu broken today
2024-08-25 06:20:35	bluetail	I assume mirror affected packages - cannot update / install packages.
2024-08-25 06:20:51	bluetail	Cannot resolve IP. Assume DNS not OK or target server down for mirror
2024-08-25 07:18:24	noobaroo	has anyone had GPT partition UUIDs stop showing up?
2024-08-25 07:24:12	espresso	noobaroo: I have not, but the forum seems to have some posts like 'UUID disappeared', referring variously to grub or kernel..
2024-08-25 07:27:01	raggi	noobaroo: not w/ arch, but years ago i was integrating gpt on various systems and did see some uefi implementations that would "restore" unchecked backup gpt's on a check error of the master gpt which could result in similar behaviors if the system isn't keeping stuff properly, i'd probably look at both ends of the disk and see if one actualyl has the data you want
2024-08-25 07:32:15	espresso	seems a bit ambiguous to me.. Is it just UUID missing but partition is fine? Is it ALL UUIDs?
2024-08-25 08:00:08	Ten-Thousand-Bee	Haii :3
2024-08-25 08:01:56	mpan	Hello the person made of many bee.
2024-08-25 08:02:48	Ten-Thousand-Bee	:3
2024-08-25 08:04:41	Ten-Thousand-Bee	Soup
2024-08-25 08:05:36	mpan	This restaurant only serves answers to questions, no soups. Sorry!
2024-08-25 08:15:35	raggi	sometimes /etc and /var soups are leftovers though
2024-08-25 08:16:47	gehidore	well that was short lived
2024-08-25 09:24:16	savion	Hi
2024-08-25 09:24:28	mpan	savion: hello. You quit #libera pretty quickly. :)
2024-08-25 09:25:03	savion	the channel?
2024-08-25 09:25:58	mpan	Yes
2024-08-25 09:26:33	savion	im still learning how to use this
2024-08-25 09:37:50	espresso	savion: hello :)
2024-08-25 09:38:24	savion	espresso: hey
2024-08-25 09:52:51	noobaroo	raggi Im having this problem https://superuser.com/questions/1689517/fix-for-blanked-out-uuid-on-luks-encrypted-drive
2024-08-25 09:52:52	phrik	Title: linux - Fix For Blanked Out UUID On Luks Encrypted Drive? - Super User (at superuser.com)
2024-08-25 09:54:27	noobaroo	It happened before with a XFS drive and I couldnt find a fix and it was just an old 250gb drive I was playing around with distrohopping on, so i ended up just copying the data off and reformatting it, which finally fixed it
2024-08-25 09:55:24	noobaroo	But now it happened on my root drive which is ZFS inside luks container... my zfs is not using legacy mountpoint or mounting by uuid path so it doesnt seem to cause me any problems (so far) but it is worrisome to me
2024-08-25 09:57:11	noobaroo	espresso its just my unlocked /dev/mapper ZFS partition, the path is /dev/mapper/onetouch 
2024-08-25 09:57:38	noobaroo	lsblk shows it but no UUID info and blkid shows nothing and exits with return code 2
2024-08-25 09:58:40	noobaroo	The parent LUKS container partition at /dev/sda2 still has a UUID and no errors that i can find
2024-08-25 10:05:36	printfdebugging	Hi, I am using awesomewm, and for some reason, it's using both gtk2 and gtk3. Is there any way to just use either one?
2024-08-25 10:05:56	printfdebugging	https://termbin.com/tzob
2024-08-25 10:06:25	printfdebugging	I am trying to go for a all black mac like theme for it
2024-08-25 10:07:23	printfdebugging	And due to this gtk-2 and gtk-3 thing, there are multiple config folders for gtk. in .config there are gtk-3.0 and gtk-4.0 along with gtkrc (for gtk 2.0 I g uess)
2024-08-25 10:07:35	printfdebugging	Along with that there's a .gtkrc in the ~/ 
2024-08-25 10:13:10	noobaroo	printfdebugging do you have an old pc you can sell for cheap? 
2024-08-25 10:13:24	noobaroo	32 core wow
2024-08-25 10:14:17	noobaroo	Um, you will always have GTK3 and GTK4 files, you can use pactree on gtk3 or gtk4 package and see which of your apps are using them
2024-08-25 10:15:04	noobaroo	Arch Linux is still even shipping some apps that use gtk2, although there are not many. 
2024-08-25 10:16:03	MrElendig	mostly gimp, steam and hexchat
2024-08-25 10:16:57	noobaroo	The best thing you can do is make sure your theme supports both gtk3 and gtk4 and both are using the same theme, and it looks like yours is the same according to neofetch at least
2024-08-25 10:17:35	noobaroo	GIMP and steam use gtk2?
2024-08-25 10:27:43	MrElendig	yes
2024-08-25 10:27:53	MrElendig	"uses" in teh case of steam
2024-08-25 10:41:40	BrainDamage	it's part of the steam runtime, not steam client
2024-08-25 10:48:25	aasami_	^8 Alles tot hier?
2024-08-25 10:50:10	⚡ 	aasami_ Alles tot hier.
2024-08-25 10:54:47	MrElendig	KRANKENWAGEN
2024-08-25 11:00:19	aasami_	MrElendig:  Leichensack
2024-08-25 11:02:06	aasami_	 Bugs reportieren?
2024-08-25 11:03:58	aasami_	2 Beim Dirk?
2024-08-25 11:13:13	aasami_	NetSysFire: Raisi ja, heute ist Gebetstag
2024-08-25 11:17:17	aasami_	Where to send a disgusting bug .... and I don's ask NetSysFire because of wanting to be ***********
2024-08-25 11:49:46	solsTiCe	I am trying to clone a repo with pkgctl with https protocol, and this asks me for a username/password ?
2024-08-25 11:50:09	MrElendig	url?
2024-08-25 11:53:12	solsTiCe	libcurl
2024-08-25 11:53:31	solsTiCe	oh no. non existant pacakge. 
2024-08-25 11:53:36	solsTiCe	may be that shouldbe a bug
2024-08-25 11:57:16	MrElendig	"Pull request: Fix; Patch users to not try to clone non-existing packages"
2024-08-25 12:36:31	Ennea	does libinput happen to have anything configurable for debouncing mouse wheel events? :(
2024-08-25 12:36:57	Ennea	i'm assuming no, since i can only find the whole quirks thing. and that's not supposed to be used for "configuring" anything, and doesn't have anything mouse wheel anyway
2024-08-25 12:37:35	Ennea	why are rotary encoders such garbage anyway. how am i forced to get a new mouse _again_, this one's not even two years old. and i'd rather not have to deal with opening this shit up and soldering in a new rotary encoder... man
2024-08-25 12:39:53	Earnestly	Ennea: Have you tried to clean it?
2024-08-25 12:42:00	Ennea	Earnestly, that would be my next step, but sadly also involves opening this piece of junk up
2024-08-25 12:42:22	Ennea	compressed air so far has done nothing, so i suppose i'll need to go to down on the encoder with some IPA at the very least
2024-08-25 12:42:54	Ennea	disassembling mice, unfortunately, is a royal pain in the fucking ass because it is impossible to detach the pads in such a way that they can be re-used, at least in my experience..
2024-08-25 12:43:18	Earnestly	Opportunity to upgrade them to an even lower energy plastic
2024-08-25 12:43:56	Ennea	mouse came with ptfe feet pre-installed
2024-08-25 12:44:26	Ingar	Ennea: what mouse is it ?
2024-08-25 12:44:54	Earnestly	Would have thought that might wear away quite quickly compared to something almost as good but much more durable, e.g. uhmwpe
2024-08-25 12:45:45	Ennea	Ingar, endgame gear xm1r
2024-08-25 12:46:06	Ingar	Ennea: never heard of it :)
2024-08-25 12:46:09	Ennea	Earnestly, hm, no, pretty normal wear levels
2024-08-25 12:46:38	Ennea	Ingar, endgame gear is relatively "new" on the mouse market, but makes pretty solid mice in my opinion. i really like the form factor of the body. they're all very light
2024-08-25 12:47:06	Ennea	i might use this "opportunity" to just buy an exact replacement and hack away on the old one to try and realize my "perfect mouse", now that i'm thinking about it
2024-08-25 12:47:17	Ennea	specifically, i'd love to decouple the middle click from the wheel and just move it someplace else
2024-08-25 12:47:32	Ingar	Ennea: (googled it) I can see the appeal, I'm into the same style of mice, light and barebones
2024-08-25 12:47:55	Ingar	but even the more expensive razor or logitech dies after a few years
2024-08-25 12:48:02	Ingar	usually the microswitches from the buttons
2024-08-25 12:48:18	Ennea	endgame gear's xm2we has optical switches. for lmb and rmb at the very least, not sure about the others
2024-08-25 12:48:29	Ennea	that certainly removes a lot of the potential wear from the equation
2024-08-25 12:48:33	mpan	Ennea: note that rotary encoder is not reported as a button, but as an axis. So any software side debouncing, even assuming it was effective, is not applying.
2024-08-25 12:49:05	Ingar	afai kscroolwheel is mbutton4 and 5
2024-08-25 12:49:09	Ennea	mpan, one _could_ debounce a wheel in theory, though, right?
2024-08-25 12:49:19	Ingar	it's not really an encoder, it jsut detects the 'clicks'
2024-08-25 12:49:51	Ingar	disc-wit-holes and an optical sensor
2024-08-25 12:49:54	mpan	Quadrature rotary encoders shouldn’t suffer from bouncing either, unless this is some extreme case. A single signal requires transition between two states, and bouncing-like behavior would require transition through 6 states.
2024-08-25 12:50:11	mpan	Ingar: those do not suffer from bouncing… :)
2024-08-25 12:50:18	mpan	I assume it’s mechanical then.
2024-08-25 12:50:33	Ennea	yea, i have no experience with the different types, and god knows which one is actually in this mouse
2024-08-25 12:50:38	Ingar	all the mice I have opened so far had a scrollwheel that looked like that
2024-08-25 12:50:44	Earnestly	Hence cleaning, I'm not familiar with non-mechanical faults for that sort of thing
2024-08-25 12:50:49	Ennea	all i can say is that on some of my "scroll up" events, there's a "scroll down" immediately before
2024-08-25 12:50:56	mpan	Yeah, I would go with cleaning too.
2024-08-25 12:51:15	Ennea	i'll try to disassemble this beast with as little damage to the feet as possible i suppose..
2024-08-25 12:51:20	Ingar	Ennea: there might be some small dustball loged in there
2024-08-25 12:51:23	Ennea	maybe use my hair dryer to warm 'em up to get the glue flowing? hm
2024-08-25 12:51:25	Earnestly	Sometimes ipa can also temporarily "disable" the glue as it's exposed
2024-08-25 12:51:29	Ingar	*lodged
2024-08-25 12:51:48	Ennea	Ingar, heh, dust... it's probably cat hair ~_~
2024-08-25 12:51:58	Earnestly	(Once it evaporates the glue recovers, not that I've tested strength)
2024-08-25 12:52:07	Ennea	Earnestly, hm, interesting
2024-08-25 12:52:14	Ennea	... to bad my IPA's all empty :)
2024-08-25 12:52:27	Ennea	well, this isn't super urgent
2024-08-25 12:54:57	Ennea	while we have the opportunity, let's turn it into a generic rant about mice anyway: what is it with wear and tear effectively making mice worthless at some point. you cannot expect consumers to solder in new microswitches. i've done that once and it was a pain in the ass
2024-08-25 12:55:20	mpan	Ennea: is the wheel having that feel of wheel going over bumps while turning?
2024-08-25 12:55:22	Ennea	there's lots of keyboards nowadays that have flashable firmwares, typically QMK or QMK based. or at least tunable parameters. i wish mice could go the same route
2024-08-25 12:55:36	Ennea	i really wish we could have open source mice firmwares, too..
2024-08-25 12:55:38	Ennea	mpan, yup
2024-08-25 12:56:48	mpan	Ennea: perhaps they are worn out? If the wheel doesn’t make it all the way through the bump, but is pushed enough to climb it, it would would slide back after that. And that would be recorded as sudden move in opposite direction by one “click”.
2024-08-25 12:56:48	BrainDamage	in my experience, most of the dirt ends up in the lateral gaps between the wheel and the plastic case
2024-08-25 12:57:00	mpan	If that would be the case, I know of no method of fixing this.
2024-08-25 12:58:06	Ennea	i think dirt/dust/hair is more likely, considering that the behavior appears to sometimes change/go away
2024-08-25 13:12:05	mpan	Ingar: also, you are right regarding the buttons for wheel. I thought this is no longer true, seeing libinput events. But in fact this is still true.
2024-08-25 13:13:14	mpan	Ennea: for clarification ↑
2024-08-25 13:19:12	Ennea	:o
2024-08-25 13:25:00	Ingar	mpan: when coding e.g. with SDL, the scrollwheel comes in as button events
2024-08-25 13:25:50	mpan	Ingar: and it always has been, historically. But I wasn’t sure it didn’t change at some point (at low level protocol end that is) and what libinput reports suggests it’s an axis. But it is not: libinput just maps events to an axis.
2024-08-25 13:26:03	Ingar	sneaky :D
2024-08-25 14:11:11	irets	I need to write two simple .service files for applications I've compiled from a source on a SystemD system. I'm ever only written OpenRC init scripts. Which resources would you suggest?
2024-08-25 14:15:12	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd#Writing_unit_files
2024-08-25 14:15:13	phrik	Title: systemd - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-08-25 14:16:04	Namarrgon	'man systemd.directives' is your best friend
2024-08-25 14:16:52	Namarrgon	'man systemd.service' has a few simple examples to get started.
2024-08-25 14:19:06	irets	The whole thing looks quite complicated from a quick glance. I assume using /etc/init.d/ is deprecated on systemd?
2024-08-25 14:19:14	irets	The wiki resource does not mention the directory.
2024-08-25 14:19:26	Namarrgon	It doesn't plays no role.
2024-08-25 14:19:34	Namarrgon	s/doesn't//
2024-08-25 14:19:56	Namarrgon	There's https://systemd.io/ too but i don't know how up to date the individual pages are.
2024-08-25 14:19:57	phrik	Title: System and Service Manager (at systemd.io)
2024-08-25 14:22:38	irets	Is there a plugin to create a skeletal structure of a .service file with Vim?
2024-08-25 14:23:05	Namarrgon	I don't know of any but it's hardly needed since a basic .service unit is five short lines.
2024-08-25 14:23:27	Namarrgon	https://man.archlinux.org/man/systemd.service.5.en#EXAMPLES
2024-08-25 14:23:28	phrik	Title: systemd.service(5) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2024-08-25 14:25:32	irets	Is /etc/systemd/system the correct place to place .service files which run as a user other than root? Some sources mention placing the .service files inside $HOME of the target user. The services I'm writing will be started on system boot.
2024-08-25 14:26:33	Namarrgon	Yes, that's the correct path for admin-provided system daemons
2024-08-25 14:27:36	irets	I'll start figuring this thing out. Worst case scenario I will have trailing processes or the thing just doesn't work. Thanks!
2024-08-25 14:28:26	Namarrgon	np
2024-08-25 14:31:14	KitsuWhooa	I'm trying to install pandoc, which brings in haskell-lua but fails to verify. I have the latest archlinux-keyring (and I also tried reinstalling it for good measure).
2024-08-25 14:31:17	KitsuWhooa	Any idea what might be up?
2024-08-25 14:31:43	Namarrgon	What's the error?
2024-08-25 14:31:49	KitsuWhooa	error: haskell-lua: signature from "Felix Yan <felixonmars@archlinux.org>" is invalid
2024-08-25 14:31:51	KitsuWhooa	:: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/haskell-lua-2.3.2-6-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)).
2024-08-25 14:32:28	KitsuWhooa	....oh
2024-08-25 14:32:37	KitsuWhooa	of course I figured it out after I ask
2024-08-25 14:32:49	KitsuWhooa	the actual package has html inside of it
2024-08-25 14:33:23	Namarrgon	If you redownload it and it is still HTML then you should switch to a different mirror.
2024-08-25 14:35:44	KitsuWhooa	yeah, redowloading fixed it. Thanks and sorry :p
2024-08-25 14:36:00	KitsuWhooa	on the upside, there is some really nice ascii art in the html https://tasossah.com/mirror_error.html
2024-08-25 14:36:01	phrik	Title: [It works!] Enjoy a lovely view. Soon more to come! (at tasossah.com)
2024-08-25 14:39:18	KitsuWhooa	Found the mirror http://mirrors.myaegean.gr/linux/archlinux/
2024-08-25 14:39:19	phrik	Title: [It works!] Enjoy a lovely view. Soon more to come! (at mirrors.myaegean.gr)
2024-08-25 14:40:38	Namarrgon	It's in the "out of sync" category of the mirror status page.
2024-08-25 14:41:15	KitsuWhooa	makes sense
2024-08-25 15:00:07	irets	My .service immediately outputs "murmur.service: Deactivated successfully." Am I missing something obvious? Here's the .service file ---> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/3b45e3fb/
2024-08-25 15:00:25	irets	I tried changing Excec=simple to Exec=exec but it had no effect, unfortunately.
2024-08-25 15:01:51	Namarrgon	"journalctl -u murmur.service"
2024-08-25 15:01:55	astralc	is it auto daemonize?
2024-08-25 15:02:02	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-25 15:03:28	irets	It is enabled, yes. I'm attempting to invoke it with "systemctl start murmur.service."
2024-08-25 15:04:02	Namarrgon	The questions is whether it forks on start or "runs in the foreground"
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2024-08-25 15:04:38	irets	It should not run in the foreground, as I did not pass it the "--fg" flag.
2024-08-25 15:04:57	irets	That's how my OpenRC init script also handles the program.
2024-08-25 15:05:11	Namarrgon	Tell it not to fork or use Type=forking
2024-08-25 15:06:22	irets	Type=forking worked when manually invoking! I'll reboot this system and see if systemd is able to bring it up online on boot.
2024-08-25 15:08:18	irets	It works perfectly.
2024-08-25 15:08:23	irets	Namarrgon: Thank you again!
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2024-08-25 19:14:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-25 19:09:35	katia	ok
2024-08-25 19:09:43	redstoner_420	Oops lol
2024-08-25 19:14:30	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-25 19:49:38	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: I left pwrate.conf like this, https://paste.priet.us/sde8/ now it does not upscale downscale using cpu
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2024-08-25 20:18:21	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-25 20:18:01	stef204	guys, I lost my archlinux gitlab 2FA token this morning through a snafu on my phone, Thought I had a backup but it was dated PRIOR to getting the token.... So likely can't log in gitlab archlinux,  What now> anyone here I can DM to fix this somehow? 
2024-08-25 20:18:12	stef204	or Apply for new account and have old one disabled?
2024-08-25 20:18:22	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-08-25 20:18:52	astralc	no backup codes?
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2024-08-25 20:21:51	stef204	not sure, the only thing I see is a password
2024-08-25 20:22:14	stef204	so don't seem to have backup for this https://gitlab.archlinux.org/
2024-08-25 20:22:15	phrik	Title: Explore groups · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-08-25 20:24:02	GenKs	Hi there, It has been long time since I installed the last time Arch Linux, I'm encountering some issue with "Secure boot" and "UEFI", I'm not sure about the procedure that I have to follow. Someone can link me instructions? It seems that the installation guide is not enough, or I'm not looking to it in the correct way :)
2024-08-25 20:24:19	stef204	astralc:so no backup code, it seems
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2024-08-25 20:25:16	bmoraga	The wiki is prety clear: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface/Secure_Boot
2024-08-25 20:25:17	phrik	Title: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface/Secure Boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-08-25 20:25:29	bmoraga	I recommend using sbctl
2024-08-25 20:25:49	bmoraga	(the easy way)
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2024-08-25 20:26:28	Lokel	q/
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2024-08-25 20:32:42	GenKs	Mmm... okok, probably I need to spend more time in reading the wiki :) Thanks!
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2024-08-25 20:41:46	stef204	anything on thie 2FA matter? anyone here I can contact via DM to try to fix it?
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2024-08-25 20:42:17	Namarrgon	Try it in -devops
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2024-08-25 20:45:18	stef204	Namarrgon:ok, thanks
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2024-08-25 20:46:09	gabbiel	Whenever I do "pacman -Syu" I don't see any updates (and have not for weeks now). Is this normal? I thought Arch Linux was a rolling release distribution
2024-08-25 20:47:45	Namarrgon	gabbiel: What is the topmost mirror in the mirrorlist?
2024-08-25 20:48:38	gabbiel	Namarrgon:  `Server = https://mirror.lty.me/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch`
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2024-08-25 20:49:02	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-25 20:49:02	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-08-25 20:49:09	Namarrgon	gabbiel: Check it against the mirror-status page on the website
2024-08-25 20:49:39	Namarrgon	"Last Sync    2024-07-02 15:12"
2024-08-25 20:49:57	Namarrgon	Comment it out and try the next mirror.
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2024-08-25 20:54:29	gabbiel	Yeah that was the issue, thanks
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2024-08-25 21:22:07	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-25 21:22:42	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, thx
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2024-08-25 22:01:27	Thorne	Hi. I am running from external SSD. I keep getting "Failed to stat resume device `/dev/disk/by-uuid/f21d1b92-0f1d-41d7-be6e-745018d18f33': No such file or directory" on startup. Then Waiting 10 seconds for device .... and it boots fine anyway. I made sure the correct swap UUID is updated in grub cfg/fstab etc and swap is on too. Can anyone help me with this please?
2024-08-25 22:03:18	Thorne	Forgive me for not systembdboot
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2024-08-25 22:08:30	ElGatoPanzon	Can anyone recommend a guide or some pointers to setup arch linux so it's more or less like a steam deck experience? I'd prefer not to use distros like chimera, and want to build it up myself with a plain arch install
2024-08-25 22:09:16	Thorne	I need to find out what a steam deck experience is
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2024-08-25 22:13:14	ElGatoPanzon	Couple things I've read about so far: gamepadui, gamescope, are parts of it
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2024-08-25 22:20:41	BrainDamage	90% of steam deck ui is a custom ui by valve
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2024-08-25 22:21:13	BrainDamage	gamescope is just a thin window manager to launch steam in big picture mode
2024-08-25 22:21:45	BrainDamage	do you want steam in big picture mode as your single window?
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2024-08-25 22:22:38	ElGatoPanzon	I'm still wondering if I can use another launcher for it
2024-08-25 22:22:50	ElGatoPanzon	But it would simplify everything
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2024-08-25 22:25:00	ElGatoPanzon	I'm moving from windows to give gaming on linux a try (with a sneaky but ignored windows dual boot for fallback), and I only really have experience with my development workstation
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2024-08-25 22:25:11	ElGatoPanzon	Which uses i3wm, so, not really game friendly lol
2024-08-25 22:25:56	MrElendig	just start steam in big picture mode, done
2024-08-25 22:26:08	ElGatoPanzon	Is that really all it is?
2024-08-25 22:26:30	MrElendig	pretty much
2024-08-25 22:26:40	ElGatoPanzon	I heard about stuff like, the menu bar on the right side to change resolution and scaling settings, system wide FSR, and other stuff
2024-08-25 22:27:11	MrElendig	you won't get that (yet)
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2024-08-25 22:27:52	MrElendig	with the public  release of steamos that might be ported over with time
2024-08-25 22:28:01	ElGatoPanzon	Hmm, wonder if there's anything equivilant then
2024-08-25 22:28:13	MrElendig	fsr is pretty broken so nope
2024-08-25 22:28:41	ElGatoPanzon	Also wondering what the most TV friendly desktop environment might be
2024-08-25 22:28:57	MrElendig	imo gnome
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2024-08-25 22:29:03	ElGatoPanzon	My tiny 5mm polybar is a no
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2024-08-25 22:32:01	MrElendig	the activities overview etc works reasonably well
2024-08-25 22:32:23	MrElendig	and it doesn't have too many tiny ui elements etc
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2024-08-25 22:34:47	BrainDamage	ElGatoPanzon: you cannot change the resolution on the right menu bar
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2024-08-25 22:35:00	BrainDamage	in fact, ... I never use the right menu bar
2024-08-25 22:35:10	BrainDamage	it's stuff like wifi, volume, etc
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2024-08-25 22:35:28	BrainDamage	except for volume, you never touch any of that, and for volume there's hardware buttons
2024-08-25 22:35:41	ElGatoPanzon	Ah I see
2024-08-25 22:36:06	BrainDamage	there's third party plugins for the right menu bar, that lets you control more things, but it's third party
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2024-08-25 22:46:18	Thorne	What's the expected behaviour when you don't get an answer, when the channel was inactive maybe, but channel gets active again you might wanna try your luck.. I don't wanna be a spammer, tbh!
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2024-08-25 22:47:32	BrainDamage	if there's enough chat that the question was disappeared more than a page ago and some time has passed, just ask again
2024-08-25 22:47:49	Thorne	cool
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2024-08-25 22:52:19	ElGatoPanzon	Thorne: can you post your grub line the one with "resume=" ?
2024-08-25 22:53:05	Thorne	here GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="resume=UUID=f21d1b92-0f1d-41d7-be6e-745018d18f33  loglevel=3 nowatchdog nvme_load=YES"
2024-08-25 22:53:53	Thorne	btw "/dev/sda4: UUID="f21d1b92-0f1d-41d7-be6e-745018d18f33" TYPE="swap" PARTUUID="ed90d4a3-2504-4bc9-9fa2-de76a95ca305"
2024-08-25 22:54:06	ElGatoPanzon	Ok, now post the /etc/mkinitcpio.conf in a pastebin
2024-08-25 22:54:12	Thorne	oki
2024-08-25 22:56:30	Thorne	https://dpaste.org/818Cn
2024-08-25 22:56:31	phrik	Title: dpaste/818Cn (Python) (at dpaste.org)
2024-08-25 22:56:31	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XyC6.txt
2024-08-25 22:56:56	ElGatoPanzon	Ok it's what I thought it was, the hooks order is incorrect
2024-08-25 22:57:16	ElGatoPanzon	You have to run the filesystems hook BEFORE resume, otherwise it doesn't know about the swap partition
2024-08-25 22:58:00	Thorne	just right before resume right?
2024-08-25 22:58:23	Thorne	Thank you let me try this and reboot.
2024-08-25 22:58:36	ElGatoPanzon	Yep: ... block filesystems resume ...
2024-08-25 23:02:48	Thorne	I was almost sure I had fixed it. No.. The same issue . 
2024-08-25 23:02:54	Thorne	FTR I did sudo mkinitcpio -P
2024-08-25 23:03:53	Thorne	Happened in order too -> Running build hook: [filesystems]-----then  -> Running build hook: [resume]
2024-08-25 23:04:25	ElGatoPanzon	Hmm, that really should have resolved it
2024-08-25 23:05:30	ElGatoPanzon	Well, one last check. Is that an active swap partition in fstab?
2024-08-25 23:06:10	Thorne	"UUID=f21d1b92-0f1d-41d7-be6e-745018d18f33 none swap sw 0 0"
2024-08-25 23:07:17	ElGatoPanzon	I'm out of ideas then, but, you said it works ok it just throws an error?
2024-08-25 23:07:54	Thorne	Yep, like I said somewhere else I probably spent more time than the seconds I lost seeing that error message during boot, to find   out why it's happening xD
2024-08-25 23:08:04	Thorne	Just stalls for a few seconds. Thats it
2024-08-25 23:08:07	Thorne	Maybe I should give up
2024-08-25 23:08:27	ElGatoPanzon	If its external then that might be normal behaviour, I use it only with internal drives
2024-08-25 23:09:42	Thorne	Issue is that main laptop is damned and this replacement I have is from 2012 or so for the time being. It doesn't support NVME internally
2024-08-26 02:51:11	ajhalili2006	!paste
2024-08-26 02:51:11	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-08-26 02:51:38	ajhalili2006	!rs
2024-08-26 02:51:38	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2024-08-26 06:29:59	brian|lfs	hmm fresh install on archlinux and I can't play videos in any web browser and videos don't play they just spin 
2024-08-26 06:30:21	brian|lfs	and I hear no audio all
2024-08-26 06:30:28	brian|lfs	and my volume is turned up
2024-08-26 06:57:20	brian|lfs	I eventually figured it out I needed pipewire-pulse
2024-08-26 06:57:43	brian|lfs	instead of pulseaudio very odd
2024-08-26 06:58:00	espresso	brian|lfs: good to hear! I was thinking that over and was at 'pavucontrol' ^_^
2024-08-26 06:58:38	espresso	I guess pipewire-pulse is for pulse clients when pipewire is your main
2024-08-26 06:58:50	brian|lfs	it must be a recent change someone post on the archlinux form yesterday same issue. 
2024-08-26 06:59:03	brian|lfs	with the same problem 
2024-08-26 06:59:49	espresso	oh you had NO audio.. I see
2024-08-26 07:01:23	brian|lfs	ya it was causing videos to not even load on youtube
2024-08-26 07:01:58	espresso	AND video, now I recall. that was weird
2024-08-26 07:03:24	brian|lfs	its good to see compiz works still along with emerald-theme-manager
2024-08-26 07:03:41	brian|lfs	said that it is a dead project I'm sure it will die in time
2024-08-26 07:05:00	brian|lfs	"sad"
2024-08-26 08:21:38	The_Loko	Hi, tried to configure pipewire-pulse to automatically switch to new devices as described here (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#Sound_does_not_automatically_switch_when_connecting_a_new_device) but I'm getting this error: default: can't run command load-module module-always-sink: File exists. Any idea?
2024-08-26 08:21:39	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-08-26 08:40:21	susi	and you did what was described there, added a drop-in under ~/.config/pipewire/pipewire-pulse.conf.d/ with the contents describedd there?
2024-08-26 08:42:27	susi	what does `pactl load-module module-always-sink' say?
2024-08-26 10:11:12	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-08-26 10:13:13	teraflops	The_Loko: it is already loaded? check with pactl list modules
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2024-08-26 10:20:29	The_Loko	teraflops yes, it seems so, will try removing it from config file and load only module-switch-on-connect, thanks!
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2024-08-26 12:24:30	ecraven	what is modern mkisofs or genisoimage now called? how do I make an iso image from a directory?
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2024-08-26 13:38:46	mirsobhan	hello again 
2024-08-26 13:40:12	mirsobhan	it says "authentication reqierd the password you use to log in to your computer no longer matches that of your login keyring"
2024-08-26 13:41:33	mirsobhan	audit: type=1131 audit(1724671948.466:160): pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 msg='unit=systemd-timedated comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd" hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=success'
2024-08-26 13:41:44	mirsobhan	and i have this in journal 
2024-08-26 13:43:11	mirsobhan	Namarrgon: .
2024-08-26 13:43:20	astralc	(not knowing the previous context) so change the keyring password?
2024-08-26 13:43:23	mirsobhan	wunit: 
2024-08-26 13:44:04	mirsobhan	astralc: misano is me i have some network dellima 
2024-08-26 13:45:05	astralc	so I guess... wifi pass is in keyring (aka only for your user), you need to unlock keyring to use it?
2024-08-26 13:46:00	mirsobhan	no it doesn't popup when i conntect to wifi. it just happens in starting some apps 
2024-08-26 13:47:19	mirsobhan	or some commands. for instancse when i try to install halloy for irc it happens a lot
2024-08-26 13:47:33	Namarrgon	Do you have gnome-keyring installed?
2024-08-26 13:48:27	Namarrgon	Or something else that supports the dbus secrets interface.
2024-08-26 13:48:41	mirsobhan	Namarrgon: Yes I do 
2024-08-26 13:48:48	mirsobhan	I have gnome-keyring
2024-08-26 13:49:00	Namarrgon	Are you using it to store secrets?
2024-08-26 13:49:09	mirsobhan	No
2024-08-26 13:49:26	Namarrgon	Are you using anything else to store secrets?
2024-08-26 13:49:57	mirsobhan	no i never use anything for store somthing 
2024-08-26 13:50:16	astralc	some things automatically store secrets there even if you don't know
2024-08-26 13:50:31	astralc	like nerworkmanager inside gnome
2024-08-26 13:50:36	astralc	and vscode
2024-08-26 13:51:09	mirsobhan	ahhhmm
2024-08-26 13:51:54	mirsobhan	what should i do now for nock it off ?
2024-08-26 13:52:20	astralc	open gnome-keyring and change the password (passphrase) to login keyring.
2024-08-26 13:52:57	astralc	or remove the password entirely (but then the secrets are not encrypted)
2024-08-26 13:53:12	astralc	if you change, change it to your current user password
2024-08-26 13:53:38	mirsobhan	how open it. it doesn't have gui 
2024-08-26 13:54:14	astralc	I think seahorse is the gui
2024-08-26 13:54:50	mirsobhan	not installed. any way for do it in command line ?
2024-08-26 13:54:53	astralc	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNOME/Keyring
2024-08-26 13:54:54	phrik	Title: GNOME/Keyring - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-08-26 13:56:33	mirsobhan	is that just becuase of gnome ? i had that problem also in KDE
2024-08-26 13:56:54	astralc	kde use kwallet instead
2024-08-26 13:57:07	astralc	but the keyrings not shared
2024-08-26 13:57:27	mirsobhan	there was same problem in popup 
2024-08-26 13:57:32	astralc	did you change you password (or fiddled with pam) when it started asking for keyring pass?
2024-08-26 13:58:46	mirsobhan	i dont remember it exactly but i just did change my defualt shell in passwd file 
2024-08-26 13:59:54	mirsobhan	and also yeah 
2024-08-26 14:00:19	mirsobhan	after i installed arch i change it at that moment
2024-08-26 14:07:23	mirsobhan	  Namarrgon astralc i installes seahorse and for now i want to unlock it doesn't accsept any password. what should i do now ?
2024-08-26 14:08:06	mirsobhan	should i reinstall the gnome-keyring ?
2024-08-26 14:08:25	Namarrgon	Does it accept the old password?
2024-08-26 14:08:41	Namarrgon	https://help.gnome.org/users/seahorse/stable/keyring-update-password.html
2024-08-26 14:08:42	phrik	Title: Update the keyring password (at help.gnome.org)
2024-08-26 14:08:56	mirsobhan	i cant remember old password 
2024-08-26 14:09:06	Namarrgon	Then all you can do is to reset it.
2024-08-26 14:09:16	mirsobhan	how
2024-08-26 14:10:14	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNOME/Keyring#Resetting_the_keyring
2024-08-26 14:10:15	phrik	Title: GNOME/Keyring - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-08-26 14:11:30	Namarrgon	If you don't need the keyring then perhaps disable the service or remove the package itself.
2024-08-26 14:13:14	mirsobhan	thank you 
2024-08-26 14:13:45	mirsobhan	now it is working correctly 
2024-08-26 14:13:58	mirsobhan	it was gonna kill me 
2024-08-26 14:14:31	mirsobhan	i had 100 popup sometimes 
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2024-08-26 15:47:34	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-26 17:09:04	printfdebugging	I an a libreoffice contributor, I implement features, fix bugs etc. as a part of that I have to install different different desktop envs on my computer. as a consequence when i switch back to awesomewm (my riced tiling window manager https://i.imgur.com/UjpurYI.png https://i.imgur.com/EQBSlPx.png), I find it hard to work. the file dialog boxes don't open, the browser is messed up because of
2024-08-26 17:09:04	printfdebugging	extensions etc etc. is there any way to keep my
2024-08-26 17:09:10	printfdebugging	work with all the DEs?
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2024-08-26 17:09:49	NoImNotNineVolt	printfdebugging: thanks for libreoffice!
2024-08-26 17:10:10	printfdebugging	:D
2024-08-26 17:10:18	printfdebugging	\:\D
2024-08-26 17:10:34	printfdebugging	this emoji conversion is scary
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2024-08-26 17:13:24	monkfish	printfdebugging: I suppose either use different user accounts or look into something like systed-nspawn, with its support for ephemeral environments.
2024-08-26 17:13:41	monkfish	systemd-nspawn, even
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2024-08-26 17:13:53	printfdebugging	monkfish: can I chown one directory b/w 2 users?
2024-08-26 17:13:56	printfdebugging	the source code
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2024-08-26 17:14:47	monkfish	if both are members of the same group.
2024-08-26 17:16:33	printfdebugging	I created 2 new users, one being 'gnomeuser', and other being 'plasmauser'. these two are part of my orignal user's group. let's see how it goes
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2024-08-26 17:17:34	monkfish	you may also be interested to note that, if the setgid bit is set on a directory, any inodes created beneath will inherit the assigned group. that can be particularly useful if you also change your umask to, say, 0002 (rather than 0022).
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2024-08-26 17:18:32	monkfish	i.e. chown :commongroup dir-of-interest, chmod g+s dir-of-interest then read up on pam_umask.
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2024-08-26 17:19:13	monkfish	that's basically a posix-y way of maintaining a directory tree that can be managed by more than one user.
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2024-08-26 17:19:46	monkfish	at least, if the goal is just to make sure things can be edited across the board.
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2024-08-26 17:21:03	printfdebugging	I think keeping it separate would make more sense(the configurations). Maybe I should move the codebase to a separate drive, and mount it on /mnt, and then follow your chmod suggestion
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2024-08-26 17:21:37	printfdebugging	still here by printfdebugging1 (moving to gnome)
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2024-08-26 18:45:00	aranam	whoami: root; pwd: /mnt; ls: "Directory" "rio2.rar"; rm -rf "rio2.rar": nothing; But the file is still there.
2024-08-26 18:45:28	aranam	Here is how I mount it: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt -t auto
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2024-08-26 18:47:46	auditor3d	gonna sound dumb but when this kinda stuff happens I'd reboot and rerun the command.  seems to me that should work
2024-08-26 18:48:11	MrElendig	don't need the -t there
2024-08-26 18:49:20	MrElendig	other than that, what devices is this and waht does dmesg say?
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2024-08-26 18:52:56	monkfish	also, don't cargo-cult -f. should the filename not precisely be as it appears to the eye, that would obscure a useful diagnostic.
2024-08-26 18:53:35	another|	aranam: `rm rio2.rar`
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2024-08-26 19:00:03	aranam	I tried that another| 
2024-08-26 19:00:15	aranam	Also tried sudo shred -u /mnt/rio2.rar
2024-08-26 19:00:19	aranam	shred: /mnt/rio2.rar: failed to open for writing: No such file or directory
2024-08-26 19:01:02	monkfish	LC_ALL=C QUOTING_STYLE=c ls
2024-08-26 19:01:23	monkfish	note that the respective case of C and c is important there. how does that print the filename?
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2024-08-26 19:02:11	aranam	I noticed a problem. When I do rm "/mnt/ri and then press tab it autocompletes untill "/mnt/rio2.rar but doesn't put the " at the end.
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2024-08-26 19:03:05	aranam	another point is ls -la /mnt gives -?????????  ? ?    ?        ?            ?    for all files except for the one that is mine (The rest that I am tryin to delete were created by a winodws virus on this ntfs device that I am now mounting on linux)
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2024-08-26 19:03:33	MrElendig	time to checkdisk it
2024-08-26 19:04:02	MrElendig	which you need windows for
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2024-08-26 19:06:24	aranam	Obviously fsck gave no output, SMART gave 7 errors. ntfsfix didn't give errors either: Checking the alternate boot sector... OK
2024-08-26 19:06:50	MrElendig	fsck/ntfsfix are useless
2024-08-26 19:06:56	MrElendig	as I said, you need windows
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2024-08-26 19:07:25	aranam	So I can't fix this device with linux because its NTFS?
2024-08-26 19:07:42	MrElendig	if your trouble stems from fs corruption, yes
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2024-08-26 19:08:48	MrElendig	might want to do a full block level backup if this has data you care about
2024-08-26 19:09:06	aranam	Does formatting my devices with exfat or fat32 etc meaningfully reduce the chaance of such issues in the future?
2024-08-26 19:09:56	MrElendig	no
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2024-08-26 19:10:15	MrElendig	what actual hardware is this, and are you intending to use it to share files with windows?
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2024-08-26 19:10:36	aranam	So windows viruses are as effective on other FSes right?
2024-08-26 19:11:32	gehidore	aranam depends on what we're calling "viruses"
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2024-08-26 19:12:28	gehidore	and if you're seeing ?????? files with smart errors there's a good chance it's hardware related.
2024-08-26 19:12:33	aranam	MrElendig: /dev/sdb1: LABEL="EXTERNAL_USB" BLOCK_SIZE="512" UUID="6A6A5F376A5EFEEF" TYPE="ntfs" PARTUUID="5eae5f1b-01"
2024-08-26 19:12:59	MrElendig	that doesn't say what hardware this is
2024-08-26 19:13:04	MrElendig	some random usb stick?
2024-08-26 19:13:54	aranam	Its an external 1TB Toshiba Hard
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2024-08-26 19:16:38	aranam	gehidore: SMART data shows it's generally healthy with no critical issues. There are a few recorded errors related to data transfer, but they are not severe. The drive has been in use for a significant amount of time (1003 hours) and has no bad sectors or pending errors. 
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2024-08-26 19:17:22	gehidore	then we're back to needing windows to fix it
2024-08-26 19:17:40	aranam	MrElendig: Model: Toshiba MQ04UBD200; Capacity: 2.00 TB; Firmware Version: JT0B0U
2024-08-26 19:17:53	gehidore	ntfsfix is a few mm short of useful most of the time. it can fix things maybe 5% of the time.
2024-08-26 19:18:05	aranam	I plugged it in to windows and these files do not appear on it as hidden or anything at all.
2024-08-26 19:18:13	MrElendig	basically only fix some faults from unclean shutdowns or the like
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2024-08-26 19:18:54	MrElendig	or more like: mark it as "everything is fine" even when it isn't :p
2024-08-26 19:18:59	gehidore	^
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2024-08-26 19:35:28	aranam	gehidore: MrElendig  Now running chkdsk /f /r  on windows 
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2024-08-26 19:35:49	gehidore	good luck
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2024-08-26 19:51:19	ElGatoPanzon	I haven't tried this but I'm reading that gamescope has issues with nvidia. Is that still the case? I unfortunately have an nvidia gpu, so if that's the case I don't see much point trying to build a linux gaming rig with it
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2024-08-26 19:52:07	aranam	gehidore: It is taking a lot of time. I have to go now. You two are amazing you have been extremely helpful in this channel throughout the last many years. I have received your help so many times! Thank you so much. You are awesome.
2024-08-26 19:52:35	auditor3d	archwiki seems to indicate its perfectly possible
2024-08-26 19:52:41	aranam	MrElendig: ^
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2024-08-26 19:53:02	auditor3d	theres a note there about installing it with flatpak if using Nvidia but doesnt say there is any real limitation
2024-08-26 19:53:10	aranam	:qa
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2024-08-26 19:53:46	auditor3d	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Gamescope
2024-08-26 19:53:47	phrik	Title: Gamescope - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-08-26 19:54:17	ElGatoPanzon	Yea, that looks ok, I see people saying games crash after some time on reddit, latest post being from around 3 months back
2024-08-26 19:54:56	mefistofeles	ElGatoPanzon: what kind if problems more specifically?
2024-08-26 19:55:05	mefistofeles	ElGatoPanzon: the wiki has some guidelines, that may help
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2024-08-26 19:55:15	ElGatoPanzon	mefistofeles: something to do with vsync
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2024-08-26 19:58:39	mefistofeles	ElGatoPanzon: now, imo, if you really want to game, I'd suggest using windows
2024-08-26 19:58:49	mefistofeles	if you really want to do it on linux, then probably getting a steam deck
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2024-08-26 20:00:03	auditor3d	true this...gaming MOSTLY works onon arch from my experience, until you start getting into multiplayer stuff
2024-08-26 20:00:31	auditor3d	a lot of those anti-cheat tools freak out on linux and you'll spend a bunch of time troubleshooting and less time actually playing
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2024-08-26 20:06:16	mykeylynx	Hi, I was installing via pacman 6.6.47-1-lts and broke the install. I m now trying to fix via a usb I have no internet. how to repair offline? Thank you
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2024-08-26 20:08:33	teraflops	mykeylynx: at which point did it break?
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2024-08-26 20:09:02	teraflops	how is your system right now?
2024-08-26 20:09:35	mykeylynx	while downloading I didnt see anything happening in the terminal. I waited then rm the pacman db.lock
2024-08-26 20:09:45	mykeylynx	after reboot grub
2024-08-26 20:09:59	teraflops	:S
2024-08-26 20:10:24	teraflops	boot the arch iso, arch.chroot and reinstall latest linux package from pacman cache
2024-08-26 20:11:44	teraflops	check that mkinicpio is run, then regenerate grub.cfg and eboot
2024-08-26 20:11:48	ElGatoPanzon	mefistofeles: true
2024-08-26 20:12:05	teraflops	reboot^
2024-08-26 20:12:17	mykeylynx	any link I can follow?
2024-08-26 20:12:30	teraflops	for what?
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2024-08-26 20:13:52	mykeylynx	the steps
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2024-08-26 20:16:27	teraflops	boot the arch iso, mount your partitions, arch-chroot, pacman -U latest linux package from /var/cache/pacman/pkg, then run mkinicpio -P and finally run sudo grub-mkconfig config -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg 
2024-08-26 20:16:42	teraflops	and reboot
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2024-08-26 20:19:38	auditor3d	just a tip, if you have an android phone you can use the tethering option to give yourself internet
2024-08-26 20:19:42	auditor3d	has drivers for that built in
2024-08-26 20:19:49	teraflops	ios too
2024-08-26 20:19:56	auditor3d	it does now? used to not
2024-08-26 20:20:16	teraflops	my iphone does tethering out of the box in the arch iso
2024-08-26 20:20:22	auditor3d	cool!
2024-08-26 20:20:55	mefistofeles	apple uses won't stop talking about their apple products, the question was clearly about android
2024-08-26 20:20:59	⚡ 	mefistofeles stares at teraflops 
2024-08-26 20:21:00	mefistofeles	:P
2024-08-26 20:21:05	teraflops	hehe
2024-08-26 20:21:10	astralc	teraflops: wifi tethering with USB?
2024-08-26 20:21:14	auditor3d	yes
2024-08-26 20:21:14	teraflops	like vegans or archers
2024-08-26 20:21:29	auditor3d	they have drivers built in that will use it like a wired connection
2024-08-26 20:21:32	teraflops	not wifi, via usb cable
2024-08-26 20:21:41	auditor3d	right. USB tethering
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2024-08-26 20:22:09	auditor3d	just plug it in and enable the tethering feature and you should have an instant connection to update stuff
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2024-08-26 20:22:19	ElGatoPanzon	Watching some vids of people who switched from windows to linux for gaming and they talk about all the downsides like no gamepass, anticheat not working so you're locked out of multiple games, and then their kicker is "I just don't care about those things so it's fine"
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2024-08-26 20:22:46	astralc	"no gamepass" should be upside
2024-08-26 20:23:00	ElGatoPanzon	Yea I don't use gamepass or anything like it, either
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2024-08-26 20:23:24	mefistofeles	the fact being that the gaming experience in Linux is subpar, either way
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2024-08-26 20:23:32	ElGatoPanzon	I should have got an AMD gpu
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2024-08-26 20:23:53	bluetail	I think my client is broken. Somehow I am in Archlinux channel and we talk about gamepass :D
2024-08-26 20:23:53	mefistofeles	there are issues with AMD and gamescope as well, fwiw
2024-08-26 20:23:59	mefistofeles	bluetail: :P
2024-08-26 20:24:04	mefistofeles	gamers gonna game
2024-08-26 20:24:27	bluetail	mefistofeles I am on sway right now and in many games I cannot reach the bottom in the games
2024-08-26 20:24:39	bluetail	gotta ping people in #sway again what I can do to solve it. Already tried gamescope
2024-08-26 20:25:08	gaku	is there a new bug I wasn't aware of?
2024-08-26 20:25:36	teraflops	there are many
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2024-08-26 20:26:04	teraflops	you could bea bit more specific tho
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2024-08-26 20:27:00	gaku	teraflops: I joined late on the discussion, so idk what's the gamescope and sway on about
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2024-08-26 20:27:41	teraflops	ah, no nothing broke
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2024-08-26 20:30:02	mykeylynx	PACMAN -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/*  I get error warning
2024-08-26 20:30:14	teraflops	mykeylynx: why the *
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2024-08-26 20:30:33	teraflops	just install the linux package
2024-08-26 20:30:34	MrElendig	mykeylynx: that is going to fail horrible when you have multiple versions in the cache
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2024-08-26 20:31:11	mykeylynx	so how do I fix this think
2024-08-26 20:31:15	ElGatoPanzon	Well I did run windows LTSC for a bit, it's better but still crap
2024-08-26 20:31:24	MrElendig	follow the instructions given
2024-08-26 20:31:34	teraflops	mykeylynx: e.g  pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/linux-6.10.2.arch1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst  
2024-08-26 20:31:45	mykeylynx	awesome thank you
2024-08-26 20:31:49	teraflops	but latest kernel in  there
2024-08-26 20:31:57	teraflops	use tab completion
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2024-08-26 20:32:52	ElGatoPanzon	mefistofeles: steam deck is an amazing feat though
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2024-08-26 20:33:16	mykeylynx	should I use headers
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2024-08-26 20:35:02	mykeylynx	error cammand failed to execute correctly
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2024-08-26 20:36:45	mykeylynx	6.6.47 maybe didnt finish downloading?
2024-08-26 20:37:35	teraflops	is there an older one?
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2024-08-26 20:37:44	mykeylynx	46
2024-08-26 20:37:46	Namarrgon	What is the full error message?
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2024-08-26 20:38:45	teraflops	!paste
2024-08-26 20:38:46	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-08-26 20:39:23	teraflops	!pastepacman
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2024-08-26 20:39:24	phrik	LC_ALL=C pacman --debug <your pacman options> |& tee >(curl -F 'file=@-' 0x0.st)
2024-08-26 20:39:41	teraflops	I do not think --debug is needed here
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2024-08-26 20:43:40	mykeylynx	wield librea had network issues
2024-08-26 20:44:02	gehidore	I don't think it did
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2024-08-26 20:49:45	madprops	qbittorrent is not exiting on alt+f4
2024-08-26 20:49:52	madprops	i had to kill the pid manually
2024-08-26 20:49:57	madprops	im not using gnome
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2024-08-26 20:52:52	mykeylynx	I rebooted regardless of the errors downgraded to 6.6.46 lts and its working Thank you!!
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2024-08-26 20:54:12	astralc	madprops: alt+f4 is close window in you wm?
2024-08-26 20:54:26	astralc	also - ctrl+q
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2024-08-26 20:59:18	lavendar	Hello! I am new to arch. Everything is working fine currently. However, I just made an "paru -Syu" and get the following error message: ":: installing tree-sitter (0.23.0-1) breaks dependency 'libtree-sitter.so=0-64' required by emacs" What should I do? Thank you!
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2024-08-26 21:01:27	Namarrgon	Which of these is an unofficial package?
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2024-08-26 21:02:35	madprops	astralc, both work. i guess they're different. still qbit shouldn't do that if it's not showing up on the tray
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2024-08-26 21:04:16	Namarrgon	lavendar: Someone forgot to rebuild emacs against the new .so
2024-08-26 21:04:39	Namarrgon	dmc: ^
2024-08-26 21:04:56	lavendar	Namarrgon: thanks for the answer! so... what should I do now...
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2024-08-26 21:05:08	Namarrgon	Wait or rebuild emacs yourself
2024-08-26 21:05:24	lavendar	i can just wait and the problem will resolve itself?
2024-08-26 21:05:41	Namarrgon	If the maintainer notices the ping, yes but otherwise you should file a bugreport.
2024-08-26 21:06:03	lavendar	thank you! how hard is it to rebuild something like emacs?
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2024-08-26 21:07:36	Namarrgon	Shouldn't be too complicated.
2024-08-26 21:08:16	lavendar	well on second thought, I will probably stick to the waiting option for now... don't want to break it this early
2024-08-26 21:08:47	lavendar	again, thanks for the helpful and reassuring answer:)
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2024-08-26 21:09:05	Namarrgon	but running an aur-helper is fine?
2024-08-26 21:09:35	another|	hmm.. why would updating tree-sitter require an emacs rebuild in this case?
2024-08-26 21:09:47	another|	lib version seems the same
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2024-08-26 21:13:07	lmat	I have a ~/.local/share/systemd/user/service.{timer,service}. I did systemctl --user start service.timer; and got no output (return code 0). I can't tell that my service got started, though. The job that the service starts logs, but I don't see any logging. The service's "systemctl status" has no logging. journalctl -u service.service; is empty, etc.
2024-08-26 21:13:43	Namarrgon	"libtree-sitter.so=0.23-64" looks a bit funny
2024-08-26 21:13:59	Warepire	and the PKGBUILD did not change in that department ... 
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2024-08-26 21:16:43	astralc	how the version for .so provides is set?
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2024-08-26 21:18:15	gehidore	lmat systemctl --user list-timers -a
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2024-08-26 21:18:44	gehidore	isn't paru default for endeavouros?
2024-08-26 21:19:22	gehidore	oh yeah I see them there now...
2024-08-26 21:19:56	lmat	gehidore: I see my service's timer, but it says "-" for LAST and PASSED. It says "ACTIVATES" the correct service. What else should I be looking for?
2024-08-26 21:20:24	gehidore	systemd-analyze verify your.timer
2024-08-26 21:21:06	gehidore	and what did you use in [Timer] ?
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2024-08-26 21:21:41	lmat	gehidore: systemd-analyze verify <timer>; shows "Unit ... not found". systemd-analyze --user verify <timer>; returns nothing.
2024-08-26 21:21:56	gehidore	I think it needs the full path
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2024-08-26 21:22:27	gehidore	s/I think it/It/
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2024-08-26 21:22:35	lmat	gehidore: [Timer] says OnCalendar=*-*-* 08:45 America/New_York
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2024-08-26 21:23:05	lmat	gehidore: systemd-analyze verify <full path timer>; gives two lines:  "/usr/lib/systemd/system/update-motd.service:40: Invalid CPU quota '25', ignoring." and "/usr/lib/systemd/system/acpid.socket:6: ListenStream= references a path below legacy directory /var/run/, updating /var/run/acpid.socket → /run/acpid.socket; please update the unit file accordingly."
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2024-08-26 21:23:30	teraflops	lmat: if there ara no logs try to speify in the service file StandardOutput=journal
2024-08-26 21:23:30	teraflops	StandardError=journal
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2024-08-26 21:23:44	lmat	okay
2024-08-26 21:23:49	gehidore	did you start the timer or just enable it?
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2024-08-26 21:24:23	lmat	gehidore: both   systemctl --user enable --now <timer>
2024-08-26 21:24:33	gehidore	interesting
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2024-08-26 21:25:31	lmat	teraflops: Where should I put those journal directives? I don't see them in man systemd.unit, nor man systemd.timer, nor systemd.service.
2024-08-26 21:25:48	teraflops	under [Service]
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2024-08-26 21:27:39	lmat	teraflops: Added those two directives to the related service file (same name, but ending in .service), started the timer, and list-timers -a  still shows "-" for "LAST" and "PASSED".
2024-08-26 21:28:36	teraflops	but that is for print logs into the journal
2024-08-26 21:29:06	lmat	journalctl -u <service>.service and journalctl -u <service>.timer both show "-- No entries --"
2024-08-26 21:29:18	teraflops	hmm
2024-08-26 21:29:31	teraflops	did you daemon-reload?
2024-08-26 21:29:53	lmat	yes
2024-08-26 21:30:03	lmat	systemctl --user daemon-reload
2024-08-26 21:30:23	teraflops	lmat: your journalctl must use --user as well
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2024-08-26 21:31:24	lmat	journalctl --user -u <service>.service no entries  journalctl --user -u <service>.timer has one line!! ... from 30 minutes ago :shrugging:
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2024-08-26 21:32:03	lmat	It says "Started <service>.timer - <description>". I think that's when I started/enabled it?
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2024-08-26 21:38:38	lmat	Do I need to "enable" the service?
2024-08-26 21:39:33	lmat	The service file doesn't have a [Install] section
2024-08-26 21:42:00	gehidore	you don't enable the service no
2024-08-26 21:42:11	gehidore	can you start the service to test it works though?
2024-08-26 21:42:43	lmat	gehidore: I just started it for the first time. it went...
2024-08-26 21:43:11	gehidore	did what it was supposed to ?
2024-08-26 21:43:15	lmat	yes.
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2024-08-26 21:43:50	gehidore	does list-timers still show - - ?
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2024-08-26 21:45:46	lmat	yup. The timer wasn't used to start the service, so that makes sense.
2024-08-26 21:46:11	teraflops	lmat: I think the path where you put the service and the timer is wrong
2024-08-26 21:46:39	teraflops	it is not ~/.local/share/systemd
2024-08-26 21:46:53	lmat	~/.local/share/systemd/user
2024-08-26 21:47:06	teraflops	nope
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2024-08-26 21:47:22	teraflops	it is ~/.config/systemd/user
2024-08-26 21:47:29	lmat	Sure, I'll try that.
2024-08-26 21:47:39	teraflops	for both
2024-08-26 21:48:27	gehidore	oh shit you're right teraflops .local/share is for packages installed to user home
2024-08-26 21:48:53	gehidore	user services/timers are supposed to be in .config/systemd/user 
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2024-08-26 21:50:49	lmat	I removed them from ~/.local/share and put them in ~/.config . daemon-reload, tried  systemctl --user start <service>.timer; no joy. I'll create a minimum example and share all the file contents.
2024-08-26 21:51:01	teraflops	lmat: re-enable the timer once put in the right location
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2024-08-26 21:52:05	lmat	teraflops: Okay, re-enabled and it says "... is added a a dependency to a non-existent unit multi-user.target" :-o
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2024-08-26 21:52:36	lmat	[Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target    Should I be using   WantedBy=default.target  ?
2024-08-26 21:52:56	teraflops	lmat: for timers it is timers.target
2024-08-26 21:53:03	lmat	okay
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2024-08-26 21:53:29	lmat	I'm thinking I should  rm -r multi-user.target.wants   in ~/.config/... ?
2024-08-26 21:53:53	teraflops	is there a symlink already?
2024-08-26 21:53:59	teraflops	of the timer i mean
2024-08-26 21:54:07	lmat	Oh crap, I see symbolic links to my timer in three places : default.target.wants, multi-user.target.wants, timers.target.wants...I guess I thought it would "clean up" or something.
2024-08-26 21:54:21	teraflops	delete all the wrong ones
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2024-08-26 21:54:29	lmat	ok
2024-08-26 21:54:46	teraflops	harmless tho I guess but it pollutes
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2024-08-26 22:00:30	lmat	Minimum example? https://paste.rs/IgaHC
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2024-08-26 22:14:50	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-26 22:14:50	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1423 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1423 regular)
2024-08-26 22:07:32	gehidore	looks like your minimal test was successful
2024-08-26 22:09:10	lmat	Do you mean you did it and it worked for you? In my paste.rs, it says "-" for "LAST" and "PASSED".
2024-08-26 22:09:27	gehidore	I mean I looked at yours and it says it's suppposed to run in 16 hours
2024-08-26 22:09:35	lmat	sure, but I want it to run now :-D
2024-08-26 22:09:44	gehidore	so you need to add a new entry to the timer
2024-08-26 22:09:51	gehidore	OnBootSec or similar
2024-08-26 22:09:51	lmat	There's no way to get it to run now?
2024-08-26 22:11:50	gehidore	you can run the service now but the timer is going to continue with what you told it to do
2024-08-26 22:12:51	lmat	gehidore: Thank you for that clarification. I thought "start <timer>" would make the timer tick. But actually it just does what I told it to do (OnCalendar= directive). Okay.
2024-08-26 22:13:58	gehidore	if it's a machine that sees downtime the Persist option may be of value
2024-08-26 22:14:33	gehidore	stupid phone: `Persistent=true`
2024-08-26 22:14:48	lmat	gehidore: I considered that and decided against it. If we miss a run, it's acceptable that it won't execute when the machine starts back up.
2024-08-26 22:14:50	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-08-26 22:14:51	gehidore	alrighty
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2024-08-26 23:03:34	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-26 23:03:34	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1419 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1419 regular)
2024-08-26 22:55:02	madprops	why is pipewire so not-good
2024-08-26 22:55:21	madprops	now it's randomly failing to play music. i have to switch devices 
2024-08-26 22:55:45	madprops	like just changing a song causes it
2024-08-26 22:55:49	mefistofeles	oh no, the linux desktop experience :P it's working here, though
2024-08-26 22:55:57	madprops	i mean it mostly works here too
2024-08-26 22:56:02	madprops	i should reboot
2024-08-26 22:58:56	b337r007	hi guys, recomend me a CLI app for TouchTyping learning.. 
2024-08-26 22:59:36	bluetail	Oh boy, it's really still some time till all edge-cases work on wayland sway. Not to bash. I just wrote this mess of an issue: https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/8316
2024-08-26 22:59:37	phrik	Title: If sway has no screen is positioned at offset (0,0), then Everspace via Steam Proton will be misaligned and cursor position is invalid. · Issue #8316 · swaywm/sway · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-08-26 23:00:36	bluetail	maybe we should had sway earlier adopted, but :>
2024-08-26 23:03:34	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-26 23:18:49	teraflops	madprops: that is weird
2024-08-26 23:19:19	teraflops	anything special in your setup?
2024-08-26 23:19:23	madprops	teraflops, yes. reboot didn't help. I have to play with devices here https://i.imgur.com/rFFUVXo.jpeg
2024-08-26 23:19:38	madprops	if i switch one of those it starts working for a while
2024-08-26 23:19:41	madprops	but then it will suddenly stop
2024-08-26 23:19:46	madprops	bluetooth headphones
2024-08-26 23:19:56	mefistofeles	madprops: not sure if it would help, but for me using wireplumber helped with managing devices
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2024-08-26 23:20:13	mefistofeles	in case you are not using it and instead are using pipeaudio media session or something like that
2024-08-26 23:20:17	madprops	wireplumber is running
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2024-08-26 23:20:20	mefistofeles	ok
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2024-08-26 23:20:40	mefistofeles	pipeaudio haha, I meant pulseaudio :P 
2024-08-26 23:20:52	mefistofeles	pipeaudio when?!
2024-08-26 23:20:56	teraflops	what is the matisse thing? a dac? why are you using proaidio?
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2024-08-26 23:22:16	teraflops	also which player are you using?
2024-08-26 23:27:29	madprops	audacious
2024-08-26 23:27:42	madprops	problem started after i had to calibrate devices when they didn't work on doom eternal
2024-08-26 23:27:53	madprops	right now i think i might have re-found the good combo
2024-08-26 23:27:56	madprops	sound hasn't stopped
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2024-08-26 23:47:32	gehidore	I had an issue with the version before current where the primary outputs were muted always or didn't exist at all
2024-08-26 23:47:40	gehidore	have you tried updating madprops ?
2024-08-26 23:47:52	madprops	i updated recently
2024-08-26 23:47:58	madprops	i'll try again if problem returns
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2024-08-26 23:49:59	tatsumaru	is it possible to change screen rotation in gnome/wayland using CLI
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2024-08-27 00:27:21	rcf	tatsumaru: there are some third-party utilities to do it over dbus 
2024-08-27 00:34:44	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-27 00:41:11	tatsumaru	rcf: thanks
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2024-08-27 04:43:34	kode54	though, I require much less now
2024-08-27 04:43:56	kode54	apparently some fixes that made it into 6.11-rc4 or rc5 fixed the memory issues with fsck
2024-08-27 04:44:19	kode54	issues where it wanted to read the entire btree into RAM at once
2024-08-27 04:44:29	espresso	demonicmaniac1: nice; that's about 300% more affordable than the n100s I was seeing months ago but I'm not a practiced hw shopper
2024-08-27 04:44:41	kode54	now does an n100 compare to an n5105?
2024-08-27 04:44:43	noobaroo	rcf ive been trying to diagnose this and been rebooting several times for the past 6 hours so im not asking right now but if you are familiar with ZFS could you help me identify why Im seeing iostats in the range of 180MB reads and 2.2GB of writes on my root fs drive?
2024-08-27 04:45:10	demonicmaniac1	kode54: effectively 2 generations newer
2024-08-27 04:45:10	noobaroo	Later could you help? i need a break right now though.
2024-08-27 04:45:17	kode54	demonicmaniac1: oh
2024-08-27 04:45:19	demonicmaniac1	mostly generational uplift and support for 32gb sodimms
2024-08-27 04:45:42	demonicmaniac1	still a 6w quadcore, the n305 is an 8 core
2024-08-27 04:46:26	espresso	and let me guess, the frontside cache puts arm to shame? (only half kidding)
2024-08-27 04:46:52	kode54	can't run opnsense on arm for instance
2024-08-27 04:47:39	demonicmaniac1	i mean compared to small a55 or so cores the n100 is way ahead - it's effectively the 12th gen e-cores
2024-08-27 04:47:57	kode54	> Today a follow-up for the FreeBSD security advisory for pf/ICMP ships that addresses the undesired traceroute behaviour.
2024-08-27 04:47:58	demonicmaniac1	compared to something using arm x1 cores probably not that much difference
2024-08-27 04:47:58	kode54	oh damn
2024-08-27 04:48:46	demonicmaniac1	i'd prefer something using an r2xxx or r3xxx amd ryzen embedded but nobody is making those for consumers sadly
2024-08-27 04:49:11	demonicmaniac1	aoostar is about to release a 4 bay 5825u based system tho
2024-08-27 04:49:19	espresso	(I know, I give arm a hard time) I can appreciate that it's cool that this Pi4 can run basically the same (archlinuxarm) and bunch of packages.. the magic of compilers..
2024-08-27 04:50:28	demonicmaniac1	arm does suck hard and will never be an option beyond toys until they get their shit sorted for not requiring a seperate bsp and boot dst config per board on shit
2024-08-27 04:51:00	demonicmaniac1	was just talking about core perf and efficiency, n100 is a bit faster than a pi4 yes
2024-08-27 04:51:23	rcf	It sucks less on the flagship systems. 
2024-08-27 04:51:37	rcf	Though that's a tiny, tiny portion of what alarm supports, for example. 
2024-08-27 04:51:40	demonicmaniac1	and has proper io with 8 pcie lanes from the SoC to devices so the 6x2.5gbe all get their full pcie lane 
2024-08-27 04:52:18	demonicmaniac1	good luck finding anything arm that actually has more than 1 or 2 pcie lanes if that at all and then weird custom buses for device attachments
2024-08-27 04:53:16	demonicmaniac1	good old raspberry shite with their ethernet and stuff behind usb2.0 bridge or usb3.0 bridge
2024-08-27 04:53:26	demonicmaniac1	and their 400mbps limited GbE
2024-08-27 04:53:29	mefistofeles	qualcomm snapdragon?
2024-08-27 04:54:05	demonicmaniac1	mefistofeles: the new elites don't work, every device and every single soc needs their own dst provided, there is no standardized boot or device attachment or bringup
2024-08-27 04:54:26	demonicmaniac1	that's why every one of the manufs has to work on supporting the laptop above and beyond the qualcomm basic soc support for the kernel
2024-08-27 04:54:40	demonicmaniac1	it all just sucks the fat ass
2024-08-27 04:58:20	demonicmaniac1	rcf: i mean you still need to set all config and boot and device tree options per board even for flagships, none of them have something equivalent to a proper bios or efi or a shell that properly initializes everything discovered and lets you set options in the bios/shell
2024-08-27 04:59:03	demonicmaniac1	you want any output configured or enabled? gotta drop a config.txt in the root filesystem with all options, can't pass anything via any bootloader
2024-08-27 04:59:09	rcf	I believe there are ARM systems with UEFI now. 
2024-08-27 04:59:28	demonicmaniac1	i've only seen that on the graviton datacenter machines
2024-08-27 04:59:37	demonicmaniac1	where it's more of a whole remoting ipmi style thing
2024-08-27 05:00:01	demonicmaniac1	but those things also take like 2 to 3 minutes to boot
2024-08-27 05:01:02	demonicmaniac1	definitely happy if arm ever gets its shit together tho
2024-08-27 05:01:37	mefistofeles	demonicmaniac1: so is this something that intel/amd do better?
2024-08-27 05:01:58	mefistofeles	or they did it also badly, but it's now so long ago that's "fine"
2024-08-27 05:02:33	demonicmaniac1	mefistofeles: i mean you've seen a bios? which has been around since the original ibm pc?
2024-08-27 05:02:53	mefistofeles	demonicmaniac1: what about it? (So I guess "no" to your question or what you mean by it)
2024-08-27 05:03:06	demonicmaniac1	i mean x86 has it, arm does not
2024-08-27 05:03:11	demonicmaniac1	there's also no booting standard
2024-08-27 05:03:18	mefistofeles	ah! I see
2024-08-27 05:03:20	demonicmaniac1	every board has its own way of booting things, there's no bootloader you can install
2024-08-27 05:03:44	mefistofeles	ah, the ole' divide and conquer
2024-08-27 05:03:44	demonicmaniac1	there's no way to install a system other than extracting a root file system premade with everything onto emmc/sdcard
2024-08-27 05:03:45	mefistofeles	:P
2024-08-27 05:03:45	rcf	mefistofeles: he's talking about the fact that with most ARM boards, you can't just "download and boot the ISO" to install, say, alarm. 
2024-08-27 05:04:36	demonicmaniac1	yeah you can't take any generic image including all drivers and slap that onto any board either because it won't have the device tree enablement
2024-08-27 05:05:30	rcf	There are some standards, as it were. 
2024-08-27 05:05:42	rcf	It's just the xkcd comic about standards. 
2024-08-27 05:05:46	rcf	So it's not actually any more fun. 
2024-08-27 05:05:57	demonicmaniac1	that's mostly due to the fact that arm mostly was entirely purpose built embedded and everybody licensed arm core ip and then made their own custom board to order for a specific use case. there never was a "need" to standardize anything. nobody ever installed anything on it 
2024-08-27 05:06:11	rcf	It's the embedded mindset. 
2024-08-27 05:06:25	rcf	The end user won't need to do this. Your developers know what they're doing. 
2024-08-27 05:06:29	demonicmaniac1	yup
2024-08-27 05:06:46	anima	Hello
2024-08-27 05:07:01	rcf	Hello
2024-08-27 05:07:30	demonicmaniac1	it's definitely gotten better but there's still the issue that arm arch licensees just ignore all the arm standards for busses like eamba and what not to implement their own for performance/eficiency/proprietariness reasons
2024-08-27 05:07:53	rcf	!give anima welcomerpg
2024-08-27 05:07:54	phrik	anima: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how many .pacnew files you ignored.
2024-08-27 05:07:55	demonicmaniac1	so while standards do exist from the arm side nowadays arch licensees all roll their own anyways pretty much since they only have the architecture license and no ip block licenses
2024-08-27 05:09:14	espresso	Hello anima! don't mind phrik. (but do mind the .pacnews)
2024-08-27 05:10:41	demonicmaniac1	mefistofeles: so in all fairness amd/intel didn't do it better, ibm enforced it back in the day for the very first ibm pc and "ibm compatibles" before they went nuts with MCA and effectively created the IBM pc compatible industry without ibm being a part of it anymore with eisa heh
2024-08-27 05:11:47	mefistofeles	demonicmaniac1: I see, thanks for the info
2024-08-27 05:13:32	demonicmaniac1	essentially your current 2024 x86 system is still ibm pc compatible to the machines from 1984 running the same code. somebody even recently installed ms-dos 6.5 or something on a current 12th gen intel system natively without vm/emulation
2024-08-27 05:13:57	demonicmaniac1	arm isn't even isa backwards compatible 
2024-08-27 05:15:55	demonicmaniac1	slightly simplified in that a lot of the isa is compatible but not everything is, 64bit only arm isas exist, extensions come and go all the time unlike x86 where mmx is still supported on anything current
2024-08-27 05:17:02	anima	I am having a problem installing to a 2019 mac pro, it should only have intel graphics(iris). And upon getting to the login screen it says "applesmc applesmc.768 probe with driver applesmc failed with error -5" and typing doesn't work. This is from the latest install media.
2024-08-27 05:18:18	rcf	demonicmaniac1: in general, anyone who was around for the introduction ACPI (and the necessity of blacklisting early ACPI implementations in the kernel) will have a lot to say about how the x86 world did it. 
2024-08-27 05:21:40	espresso	anima: generally useful might be https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Mac/Troubleshooting  but looking specifically into that one..
2024-08-27 05:21:41	phrik	Title: Mac/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-08-27 05:22:46	demonicmaniac1	rcf: oh for sure. i remember acpi on the 600e pentium 2 thinkpad - that at first didn't even work at all not even under windows
2024-08-27 05:23:44	demonicmaniac1	good old APM
2024-08-27 05:25:19	espresso	anima: Judging by wiki and some posts, is it the backlight? https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Abbs.archlinux.org+mac+pro+applesmc.768
2024-08-27 05:25:20	phrik	Title: site:bbs.archlinux.org mac pro applesmc.768 at DuckDuckGo (at duckduckgo.com)
2024-08-27 05:26:21	espresso	ah, SMC = power-related
2024-08-27 05:27:17	anima	I have already looked at that article, but it doesn't help with boot issues, when I cannot get into any terminal, currently checking if linux mint boots
2024-08-27 05:32:38	anima	I am going to log off for now, LM loads, but no keyboard or mouse, I tried plugging in a keyboard through a hub, but I have to buy another adapter to plug it in directly to the computer. Thank you for trying to help good night
2024-08-27 05:47:04	kode54	anima: please see https://t2linux.org/ for some info that will hopefully help you
2024-08-27 05:47:05	phrik	Title: t2linux.org (at t2linux.org)
2024-08-27 05:47:17	kode54	basically, these T1 and T2 Macs are special beasts
2024-08-27 05:47:40	kode54	oh, they left
2024-08-27 05:48:02	kode54	anyone feel like giving that link to them if they show up again?
2024-08-27 05:48:10	espresso	kode54: well we can pass that along if/when we see them return
2024-08-27 05:48:13	rcf	If I see them again, yes. 
2024-08-27 05:48:13	espresso	hah
2024-08-27 05:48:13	kode54	yeah
2024-08-27 05:48:34	kode54	it's relevant since T2 support is still bleeding edge stuff
2024-08-27 05:48:41	kode54	similar to Asahi
2024-08-27 05:48:46	kode54	minus the archictecture
2024-08-27 05:48:56	kode54	*architecture
2024-08-27 05:48:57	rcf	bloody proprietary crap 
2024-08-27 05:49:06	kode54	it's an ARM controller chip
2024-08-27 05:49:33	kode54	handles all the SMC related stuff in the newer Intel Macs
2024-08-27 05:49:48	kode54	as well as other things
2024-08-27 05:49:54	rcf	Indeed. 
2024-08-27 06:04:26	kode54	oh yeah!
2024-08-27 06:04:28	kode54	there's this!
2024-08-27 06:04:30	kode54	https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/3142#note_2508014
2024-08-27 06:04:33	phrik	Title: Kernel panic during amdgpu IRQ (#3142) · Issues · drm / amd · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2024-08-27 06:04:43	kode54	I have to apply that to my kernel to prevent a KP from occurring during an IRQ
2024-08-27 06:05:04	kode54	it happens due to a null pointer dereference that happens during an IRQ
2024-08-27 06:05:14	kode54	and because it happens during an IRQ, you don't get a KP logged to disk
2024-08-27 06:05:53	kode54	I had to set up netconsole logging to my router
2024-08-27 06:06:09	kode54	so now every single error message that passes dmesg here is logged remotely over UDP packets
2024-08-27 06:07:38	kode54	also
2024-08-27 06:07:40	kode54	thanks Logitech
2024-08-27 06:07:54	kode54	[mjpeg @ 0x5ff28b1b8900] unable to decode APP fields: Invalid data found when processing input
2024-08-27 06:08:06	kode54	my journal gets flooded with that every frame grabbed by OBS
2024-08-27 06:08:26	kode54	because logitech packs some H.264 data into the MJPEG stream
2024-08-27 06:08:37	kode54	and nobody in Linux knows how to process it
2024-08-27 06:09:11	kode54	I assume ffmpeg would need to know what to do with it
2024-08-27 06:09:15	mefistofeles	all the people in the kernel don't know how to do it
2024-08-27 06:09:20	kode54	no
2024-08-27 06:09:23	mefistofeles	people and/or goblins
2024-08-27 06:09:35	kode54	just nobody has bothered because it's probably not worth fighting for without motivation
2024-08-27 06:09:48	kode54	I don't have that motivation, so I'm no help either
2024-08-27 06:10:05	mefistofeles	yeah, that's the linux desktop experience
2024-08-27 06:10:13	kode54	it has to be personal to somebody
2024-08-27 06:10:20	kode54	and that somebody has to want it bad enough
2024-08-27 06:10:39	mefistofeles	doubtfully so, but maybe, the system is somewhat ergodic... if you wait long enough you have better chances
2024-08-27 06:10:43	kode54	but at least it's better in that regard than Windows, where it's next to impossible if the vendor doesn't already support it
2024-08-27 06:11:04	kode54	but in this case, Vendor being Logitech, they ship binary drivers for it
2024-08-27 06:11:16	kode54	drivers that I've had cause bluescreens :D
2024-08-27 06:13:41	rcf	kode54: I've actually had to do the MJPEG packing thing with a horrible ARM codec before. But I'm assuming this isn't the case here. 
2024-08-27 06:14:06	kode54	rcf: it's a webcam, so it's probably an SoC of some sort internally
2024-08-27 06:14:15	rcf	Oh, so a USB codec 
2024-08-27 06:14:23	kode54	yeah, over UVC
2024-08-27 06:14:24	rcf	Doing weird hardware shit
2024-08-27 06:14:35	rcf	So yeah, they just have a weird IC and the kernel has to work around it. 
2024-08-27 06:14:38	kode54	the UVC exposes extremely low frame rate raw RGB, and MJPEG
2024-08-27 06:14:57	kode54	I don't know how to get the H.264 out of the MJPEG
2024-08-27 06:15:20	kode54	or whatever it is
2024-08-27 06:15:29	rcf	Honestly, reencode in userspace if it can't do hardware encoding on its own. 
2024-08-27 06:15:37	rcf	Not ideal, but lots of things support mjpeg 
2024-08-27 06:15:50	kode54	it's doing hardware JPEG encoding
2024-08-27 06:15:55	kode54	and whatever the heck is in those APP frames
2024-08-27 06:16:01	rcf	Indeed, so the quality will be reduced. 
2024-08-27 06:16:06	rcf	But it's a webcam, so... 
2024-08-27 06:16:18	kode54	I get journalctl spam from OBS whenever I'm capturing it
2024-08-27 06:16:47	rcf	As long as it works, I'd just take it. 
2024-08-27 06:17:09	rcf	Perhaps prod someone on the lkml.
2024-08-27 06:17:32	kode54	I may do that
2024-08-27 06:17:46	kode54	but the last time I was subbed to the main lkml, I was getting >1000 messages a day
2024-08-27 06:18:27	espresso	kode54: some stack post goes into what could be the same APP markers and how byte-deleting them relieved ffmpeg of the hiccups
2024-08-27 06:21:01	kode54	espresso: thanks for digging
2024-08-27 06:21:19	rcf	kode54: using a separate email helps. 
2024-08-27 06:21:31	rcf	Lord knows mailing lists are awful in 2024. 
2024-08-27 06:21:38	kode54	I mean, my two primary email addresses already get inundated with mail
2024-08-27 06:21:56	kode54	gmail gets 100-200 aur-requests messages a day
2024-08-27 06:22:13	kode54	migadu gets 100-200 from its lists
2024-08-27 06:25:23	espresso	kode54: and if I read correctly, someone switched webcam driver to slightly different model probably for the same purpose.heh
2024-08-27 06:25:40	kode54	espresso: link?
2024-08-27 06:25:54	espresso	woops, that did it. *looks*
2024-08-27 06:27:55	espresso	https://stackoverflow.com/questions/55439184/getting-unable-to-decode-app-fields-while-playing-usb-webcam-stream-through-ff
2024-08-27 06:27:56	phrik	Title: ffmpeg - Getting "unable to decode APP fields" while playing USB webcam stream through ffplay - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
2024-08-27 06:30:17	espresso	Possibly does not hit the nail.. Running on a couple hours of sleep :)
2024-08-27 06:39:28	espresso	Wondering how Sway knows to highlight a tab that contains a terminal running WeeChat that just displayed a highlight/mention.  O_o  Notifications are actually partially working..? curious
2024-08-27 06:39:48	ElGatoPanzon	espresso: bell
2024-08-27 06:40:02	ElGatoPanzon	I get the same with i3wm and workspaces
2024-08-27 06:40:32	espresso	lol! I disabled pcspk...r (not trying to wake up the user)
2024-08-27 06:41:24	rcf	pcspkr: you suck
2024-08-27 06:41:29	rcf	There we go. 
2024-08-27 06:41:42	rcf	espresso: you don't name yourself after a kernel module and expect peace. 
2024-08-27 06:43:50	chikuwasuka	time for me to rename myself "processor_thermal_wt_hint"
2024-08-27 06:43:52	espresso	I would not ask someone to do what I would not. so I chose a common drink *nod*
2024-08-27 06:44:42	ElGatoPanzon	There used to be a guy named eth0
2024-08-27 06:46:33	chikuwasuka	there is a very common word that is someone's name, but i forgot who
2024-08-27 06:47:06	chikuwasuka	oh yeah, bin
2024-08-27 12:34:24	GaivsIvlivs	Does 'tuned' conflict with or use cpupower, ananicy, amdfand, fancontrol, hddtemp, healthd, irqbalance, lm_sensors, pci-latency, or thermald?
2024-08-27 14:04:42	cent	How do I make swtpm create the /dev/tmp1? /dev/tmp0 is being used my first VM.
2024-08-27 14:05:23	grawity	I thought qemu would talk to swtpm via Unix socket?
2024-08-27 14:05:25	grawity	not via fake /dev/tpm
2024-08-27 14:11:28	cent	grawity, Yes. I'm just wondering if sharing of /dev/tmp0 will be OK as my Win VM is using it.
2024-08-27 14:12:36	MacGyver	Probably not, the TPM doesn't like that.
2024-08-27 14:13:54	grawity	I don't think you *can* share a TPM device 'raw' anyway? the guest OS will fail to 'start' the TPM when it's already started, PCRs will look /weird/, etc
2024-08-27 14:14:05	MacGyver	^ Yep.
2024-08-27 14:14:12	cent	That is why an idea occurred to me to somehow create the /dev/tpm1 or /dev/mytpm0 or so. So that I could tell my VM to use /dev/tpm1
2024-08-27 14:14:27	MacGyver	In fact, you'll likely not be able to reboot the windows VM if /dev/tpm0 is a hardware TPM.
2024-08-27 14:14:46	grawity	like I said before, that's not how you tell a VM to use swtpm 
2024-08-27 14:14:58	cent	I am using swtpm for the Win VM
2024-08-27 14:15:09	MacGyver	cent: And that swtpm is /dev/tpm0?
2024-08-27 14:15:17	grawity	are you specifying it as /dev/tpm0 or as id=tpm0 ?
2024-08-27 14:15:46	cent	<tpm model="tpm-crb">
2024-08-27 14:15:47	cent	  <backend type="emulator" version="2.0"/>
2024-08-27 14:15:47	cent	  <alias name="tpm0"/>
2024-08-27 14:15:47	cent	</tpm>
2024-08-27 14:15:53	grawity	pretty sure that has nothing to do with /dev/tpm0
2024-08-27 14:16:01	grawity	it's an internal qemu name
2024-08-27 14:16:13	grawity	like how you specify some disk as 'sda' but it's not really the host's /dev/sda
2024-08-27 14:16:55	grawity	it seems that libvirt itself starts the swtpm process?
2024-08-27 14:17:08	grawity	so that means you should be able to copypaste that, and it'll start a 2nd swtpm for the 2nd VM
2024-08-27 14:17:55	grawity	tpm passthrough seems to be a thing but I don't know how that's even supposed to work
2024-08-27 14:18:00	cent	Could be so. Understandable. Now I wonder how to tell qemu to create "tpm1" so I do not ruin my Win machine.
2024-08-27 14:18:02	MacGyver	I'm not even certain that alias is a valid element there.
2024-08-27 14:18:23	grawity	>"understandable" >ignores everything that was said
2024-08-27 14:18:33	MacGyver	But alias seems mostly undocumented, so maybe.
2024-08-27 14:18:37	cent	Too late posted :)
2024-08-27 14:19:07	MacGyver	Ah wait.
2024-08-27 14:19:23	MacGyver	"To help users identifying devices they care about, every device can have direct child alias element which then has name attribute where users can store identifier for the device. The identifier has to have "ua-" prefix and must be unique within the domain. Additionally, the identifier must consist only of the following characters: [a-zA-Z0-9_-]. Since 3.9.0"
2024-08-27 14:19:41	MacGyver	So.. that's a lie or the alias is not working.
2024-08-27 14:19:43	MacGyver	Either way.
2024-08-27 14:19:53	MacGyver	Ignore the alias.
2024-08-27 14:20:01	MacGyver	Read https://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html#tpm-device
2024-08-27 14:20:02	phrik	Title: libvirt: Domain XML format (at libvirt.org)
2024-08-27 14:20:13	grawity	either way, it looks like "create a tpm1" doesn't really make sense since the name is internal to the vm, *not* a global name
2024-08-27 14:20:21	grawity	i.e. each vm would have its own "tpm0"
2024-08-27 14:20:28	MacGyver	I'm *pretty* confident swtpm just figures its shit out.
2024-08-27 14:20:39	MacGyver	"Libvirt will automatically start an independent TPM emulator for each QEMU guest requesting access to it."
2024-08-27 14:20:47	jelle	yup
2024-08-27 14:22:44	jelle	also.. afaik virt-install should do it out of the box now for windows 11. Although not sure if that landed
2024-08-27 14:23:17	jelle	https://gitlab.com/libosinfo/osinfo-db/-/merge_requests/362
2024-08-27 14:23:18	phrik	Title: Add Windows 11 to the database (!362) · Merge requests · libosinfo / osinfo-db · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2024-08-27 14:23:43	jelle	so if you use virt-manager and select windows 11 as OS, likely it already adds a tpm
2024-08-27 14:26:14	cent	jelle, Since I cannot fiddle around with Win VM (Win10) I am just concerned about my new Debian VM which will need a TPM to connect to (no passthrought).
2024-08-27 14:26:35	jelle	cent: concerned?
2024-08-27 14:27:03	jelle	cent: what libvirt frontend do you use if any?
2024-08-27 14:27:10	cent	Yes. Win MUST remains untouched
2024-08-27 14:27:33	cent	Virtual Machine Manager.
2024-08-27 14:27:50	cent	4.1.0
2024-08-27 14:28:33	jelle	cent: sooo open VM => add hardware => tpm ???? done
2024-08-27 14:29:06	cent	jelle + EFI + some secboot files ...
2024-08-27 14:29:36	MacGyver	"Libvirt will automatically start an independent TPM emulator for each QEMU guest requesting access to it."
2024-08-27 14:29:42	MacGyver	I can repeat that as often as you like.
2024-08-27 14:29:46	jelle	I give up
2024-08-27 14:30:00	MacGyver	But I'd rather you just read the domain format documentation I linked.
2024-08-27 14:30:09	markboston_	i get no spam i have my own spam filter i wrote way back as a yoot
2024-08-27 14:30:12	cent	MacGyver, you do not have to. I understand :)
2024-08-27 14:30:45	MacGyver	If in doubt, figure out where it keeps its state files (knowing libvirt, it's in /var/lib somewhere) and make a backup.
2024-08-27 14:30:52	MacGyver	It is *sw*tpm, after all.
2024-08-27 14:31:05	cent	Yes, that is what I am missing.
2024-08-27 14:31:17	cent	Thanks for the first push.
2024-08-27 14:33:16	cent	Eg.: /run/libvirt/qemu/swtpm/5-win10-swtpm.sock
2024-08-27 14:33:57	MacGyver	That's the socket, not the state.
2024-08-27 14:34:12	jelle	I thought we where doing debian ._.
2024-08-27 14:34:38	cent	jelle, we were doing an overall work to end with Debian :)
2024-08-27 14:35:26	cent	Enabling the emulated tpm with my Win VM I did it a LONG time ago according to instructions from XYZ.
2024-08-27 14:35:32	MacGyver	When the win10 VM is running, if you then look in your process table for `swtpm` it'll likely have commandline flags showing what --tpmstate points to.
2024-08-27 14:35:55	MacGyver	And then make a backup *when the win10 VM is stopped*.
2024-08-27 14:36:06	cent	jelle, Now I want to repeat for a Debian box. This time myself.
2024-08-27 14:36:20	jelle	good luck, I cannot follow your reasoning
2024-08-27 14:36:20	MacGyver	But I've got a nickel saying it's in /var/lib/libvirt/swtpm
2024-08-27 14:36:46	cent	MacGyver, /run/libvirt/qemu/swtpm/5-win10-swtpm.sock
2024-08-27 14:36:54	MacGyver	cent: That's the socket, not the state.
2024-08-27 14:36:56	cent	Sorry, wrong buffer
2024-08-27 14:37:01	cent	--tpmstate dir=/var/lib/libvirt/swtpm/1d2eea94-e339-4a50-bbbc-8310e6bc2822/tpm2,mode=0600
2024-08-27 14:37:06	MacGyver	Well now you know.
2024-08-27 14:37:11	cent	:)
2024-08-27 14:37:19	MacGyver	And I get to keep my nickel.
2024-08-27 14:37:49	cent	Neck El?
2024-08-27 14:37:54	cent	Nick El?
2024-08-27 14:38:03	cent	...
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2024-08-27 16:04:52	expunged101	so i have a home headless server running archlinux it has been running for years i am scared to run pacman -Syu
2024-08-27 16:05:20	Metroid	do a backup first
2024-08-27 16:05:21	MacGyver	Yes. Don't.
2024-08-27 16:05:34	MacGyver	If it's been "years" you'll need to upgrade through the arch linux archive.
2024-08-27 16:05:53	MacGyver	Look at https://archlinux.org/news/ and figure out the breakage points.
2024-08-27 16:05:54	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News (at archlinux.org)
2024-08-27 16:06:51	MacGyver	Then do what it says https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux_Archive#How_to_restore_all_packages_to_a_specific_date under "by replacing your /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist with the following content:" and work in half-yearly increments or such.
2024-08-27 16:06:52	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Archive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-08-27 16:07:14	MacGyver	I know it says "restore to a specific date" but it also works for "upgrading to the state on a specific date".
2024-08-27 16:07:26	MacGyver	Just maybe lose one of the y's in -Syyu, so just normal -Syus.
2024-08-27 16:07:32	MacGyver	As in, normal -Syu
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2024-08-27 16:45:19	jelle	Soni: what's the use-case?
2024-08-27 16:45:51	jelle	sounds more like a PAM thing
2024-08-27 16:46:28	jelle	Soni: no, a login manager uses PAM to auth
2024-08-27 16:46:58	jelle	no?
2024-08-27 16:47:15	MrElendig	Soni: lightdm has multiple electron based greeters
2024-08-27 16:47:23	MrElendig	most of them are dead though
2024-08-27 16:47:26	Namarrgon	Are you sure you don't want to skip the DM and boot straight into a electron-base kiosk?
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2024-08-27 16:47:36	Namarrgon	*based
2024-08-27 16:49:23	Namarrgon	I see, count me out!
2024-08-27 16:49:46	jelle	Soni: how do you login with mastadon?
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2024-08-27 16:51:36	socksinspace	mastodon uses oauth2 to connect clients iirc?
2024-08-27 16:51:54	Darthix	where can I read about Thunderbird 128 progress?
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2024-08-27 16:52:01	jelle	https://github.com/CyberDem0n/pam-oauth2
2024-08-27 16:52:02	phrik	Title: GitHub - CyberDem0n/pam-oauth2: OAuth2 pam module (at github.com)
2024-08-27 16:52:05	jelle	for example
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2024-08-27 16:53:11	jelle	Soni: what do you mean that is not it?
2024-08-27 16:53:17	gromit	Darthix: there is nothing to read about, I guess the packagers just didn't get to it yet
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2024-08-27 16:53:29	jelle	Soni: why does it matter?
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2024-08-27 16:53:56	jelle	because otherwise people don't believe you?
2024-08-27 16:53:57	MrElendig	Darthix: upstream doesn't want distroes to ship 128
2024-08-27 16:54:15	jelle	I can't
2024-08-27 16:54:20	Darthix	MrElendig: ok, interesting.
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2024-08-27 16:54:52	MrElendig	Darthix: they pretty much always does this, they hold it back for distroes until they have had a few pointreleases
2024-08-27 16:55:03	jelle	yes you can with PAM :-)
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2024-08-27 17:00:12	gromit	Darthix: yeah I also had a look and it seems like https://product-details.mozilla.org/1.0/thunderbird_versions.json advertises 115.14.0 as latest
2024-08-27 17:00:17	MrElendig	Darthix: usually it's been the .3 point release iirc
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2024-08-27 17:03:22	MrElendig	you can grab it from flatpak if you want it though
2024-08-27 17:03:35	Darthix	gromit: ah, I understand now.
2024-08-27 17:03:37	Darthix	thanks
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2024-08-27 17:04:19	Darthix	they are being cautious with our e-mail, I suppose :)
2024-08-27 17:04:50	MrElendig	and tb does about 1 point release a month, so will be a little while yet for .3 to come out
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2024-08-27 18:53:24	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-27 18:53:24	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1403 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1403 regular)
2024-08-27 17:52:17	ayilmaz	hi
2024-08-27 18:12:26	MacGyver	MrElendig: Do you know *why* upstream does that?
2024-08-27 18:12:54	MrElendig	MacGyver: "stability" supposedly
2024-08-27 18:13:27	MacGyver	MrElendig: Or maybe the question I have is more "who *does* shake out the bugs that they're holding it back for"?
2024-08-27 18:13:55	MacGyver	Do they allow testing repos to ship it?
2024-08-27 18:14:08	MrElendig	.0 releases often doesn't support upgrade at all, that usually comes in the .1
2024-08-27 18:17:55	Darthix	.1 is now out and AFAIK there is an option to manually upgrade by clicking the upgrade button in the help menu or something like that
2024-08-27 18:18:16	MrElendig	yep
2024-08-27 18:18:20	Darthix	But the app itself is not yet offering the upgrade to users of v115
2024-08-27 18:18:28	Darthix	I mean not automatically
2024-08-27 18:19:18	Darthix	flathub version is on v128, though, so if you are flatpak enjoyer then I suppose you have already been upgraded
2024-08-27 18:20:14	Darthix	snap is also on v128
2024-08-27 18:21:42	Darthix	I get it now. I did not know how Thunderbird ORG functions regarding updates. Arch will pull v128 into extras-testing as soon as that json file changes the "current" version to "128"
2024-08-27 18:25:39	Darthix	MacGyver: after reading about this topic for the past hour I don't believe that Thunderbird ORG is holding anyone back. I think they are merely suggesting to hold on to v115 until they announce that the v128 is now "current" version, officially. Debian Sid, for example, is already on v128.1
2024-08-27 18:29:09	astralc	I looked at the what's new for 128... basically "now even more look like outlook!!! also rust"
2024-08-27 18:29:39	Ingar	astralc: bad enough to dump TB ?
2024-08-27 18:30:06	astralc	Ingar: I don't know, didn't tried it yet
2024-08-27 18:30:49	Ingar	for now I still hold the Thunderbird ORG in higher regard than Mozilla, but that might chance quickly
2024-08-27 18:31:54	MacGyver	You can still make it look like classic Thunderbird.
2024-08-27 18:32:02	MacGyver	Realistically, what are you going to switch to.
2024-08-27 18:32:20	Darthix	Microsoft is abandoning their desktop Outlook app. Not sure how rapid, but in the end-user Office 365 package Outlook is already gone. Naturally, Thunderbird wants to cash-in on that and version 128.x will offer native (no paid plugins) Microsoft Exchange (EWS) support.
2024-08-27 18:32:21	astralc	kmail?
2024-08-27 18:32:30	MacGyver	And pull in half of KDE? No thanks.
2024-08-27 18:32:56	astralc	just move to the plasma master race!
2024-08-27 18:33:03	glitsj16	claws-mail perhaps?
2024-08-27 18:33:46	MacGyver	As long as I can make the interface look like an actual e-mail client and not whatever shit outlook is nowadays I'm happy.
2024-08-27 18:33:57	Warepire	New thunderbird is going to have proper EWS support? Finally.
2024-08-27 18:34:03	MacGyver	"Proper"? No.
2024-08-27 18:34:13	MacGyver	I mean, eventually, probably.
2024-08-27 18:34:16	Ingar	MacGyver: I still have alpine up and running :)
2024-08-27 18:34:19	MacGyver	But starting out I understand they don't do calendars.
2024-08-27 18:34:35	MacGyver	And that's the primary reason for me to pay the developer of OWL, so *shrug*.
2024-08-27 18:35:10	MacGyver	It's ten bucks a year, that's more than worth it to not have to deal with Outlook's web interface too much.
2024-08-27 18:35:55	astralc	what about evolution?
2024-08-27 18:36:49	MacGyver	Probably what I would switch to if TB becomes unusable but I haven't figured out whether I can integrate that with Outlook and Outlook calendars yet.
2024-08-27 18:37:15	MacGyver	(The calendars part is *really* important to me, if you haven't noticed yet :P)
2024-08-27 18:37:20	Warepire	MacGyver: I have a fun mix of davmail + tbsync + teams currently to mail and calendar.
2024-08-27 18:37:29	Darthix	I have been on a certain trajectory of abandoning apps and services that are not necesary in my life. Not sure how better to express myself, but I guess and I have a sort of digital minimalism on my roadmap. I currently use Thunderbird, but I have been considering switching my e-mail to Emacs. Calendar has been a huge issue in my life for the past years. I never managed to sync it to perfection
2024-08-27 18:37:31	Darthix	between all my devices, so recently I just said fuck it and switched my calendar completely to Moleskine notebook.
2024-08-27 18:38:06	Darthix	huh. did not know I have a char limit :)
2024-08-27 18:38:11	astralc	calendar in teams...? thats even worse
2024-08-27 18:38:15	MacGyver	Darthix: My colleagues can't see my free/busy times in a Moleskine notebook and I can't send meeting invites from a Moleskine notebook.
2024-08-27 18:38:43	Darthix	MacGyver: ah, that's work. for work you need to be compliant
2024-08-27 18:38:47	MacGyver	Exactly.
2024-08-27 18:38:56	MacGyver	And TB + OWL gets me to be compliant enough.
2024-08-27 18:39:20	Darthix	I use Evolution at work.
2024-08-27 18:39:25	gehidore	honestly outlook in the browser seemed the best option for me and I rely on the calendar aspect heavily
2024-08-27 18:39:56	gehidore	but it's also awful if you have anything less than 2180 resolution available
2024-08-27 18:40:07	Darthix	haha
2024-08-27 18:40:37	gehidore	but I gave up on alternatives as well and suffer
2024-08-27 18:41:29	gehidore	as much as I hate teams I have to admit it does screen share better via the web interface as well than the other options my company is willing to use... and that was in sway so I was really surprised it worked
2024-08-27 18:41:53	gehidore	and I'm in the wrong channel entirely for this dialogue -_-
2024-08-27 18:42:31	MacGyver	We're not trampling a support conversation and we got into this topically, so... eh.
2024-08-27 18:43:10	Darthix	if someone drops in with a genuine Arch support question we should switch attention to that person :)
2024-08-27 18:43:34	Warepire	Microsoft throwing out their Linux official client was annoying. The unofficial wrap is fine, but it does have its issues.
2024-08-27 18:43:50	Darthix	client for .. Teams?
2024-08-27 18:43:58	Warepire	Yup
2024-08-27 18:44:21	Darthix	they still support Skype so I don't know what's up with Teams
2024-08-27 18:44:35	MacGyver	Do they really?
2024-08-27 18:44:37	Warepire	"Electron bad because not invented here"
2024-08-27 18:45:07	Darthix	yeah Microsoft dropped deb Skype in January 2024 in favor of Snap only now
2024-08-27 18:46:12	Darthix	if they are friends with Canonical I guess they could do Teams as well, but I don't have a Teams account so I don't think of it much. I only accept other companies Teams invites via browser
2024-08-27 18:47:07	Darthix	I am somewhat amazed how Electron took-over the apps world
2024-08-27 18:47:09	MacGyver	I mean they're still bringing out new client versions but I'm kind of expecting them to fully retire Skype in favour of Teams.
2024-08-27 18:47:55	MacGyver	And I'm sort of surprised that hasn't happened yet because my brain is Mandela-effecting me that they already *did* make that statement.
2024-08-27 18:48:20	Darthix	Mandella or NAdella?
2024-08-27 18:48:21	Warepire	Skype *for Business* was discontinued around 2019
2024-08-27 18:48:25	MacGyver	Ah!
2024-08-27 18:48:28	MacGyver	That must be it.
2024-08-27 18:49:05	Warepire	Easy to forget they were completely different things.
2024-08-27 18:49:21	Darthix	I remember my first Ubuntu install shipped with Mandella video explaining what the word Ubuntu means
2024-08-27 18:49:34	Darthix	*Mandela
2024-08-27 18:49:38	_ngn	what does it mean
2024-08-27 18:50:01	Darthix	something like community. sharing. compassion. that sort of thing
2024-08-27 18:50:16	Darthix	African word
2024-08-27 18:50:50	Darthix	Mandela understood the ties that bind the human spirit. There is a word in South Africa – Ubuntu – that describes his greatest gift: his recognition that we are all bound together in ways that can be invisible to the eye; that there is a oneness to humanity; that we achieve ourselves by sharing ourselves with others, and caring for those around us.
2024-08-27 18:51:04	Darthix	that was a copy paste from a website
2024-08-27 18:53:15	_ngn	damn, arch should consider this idea, the next iso should ship with a video explaining why its named "arch"
2024-08-27 18:53:25	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-08-27 18:53:29	Darthix	Ubuntu has not done this for a long time. the video used to be in user's Video folder
2024-08-27 18:53:43	Darthix	also Arch prides itself as minimal install :P
2024-08-27 18:53:57	MacGyver	!ubuntu
2024-08-27 18:53:57	phrik	In Ubuntu Linux, Ubuntu manages YOU!
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2024-08-27 18:54:10	MacGyver	I distinctly recall a different meaning of the word.
2024-08-27 18:54:15	Darthix	good use of bot, thanks for the idea
2024-08-27 18:54:50	Darthix	well, the actual South African word Ubuntu is A LOT older than Canonical...
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2024-08-27 18:55:07	MacGyver	I think it may have been a quote on bash.org
2024-08-27 18:55:16	Darthix	what has Canonical turned the word into is, well, a for profit company I guess.
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2024-08-27 18:55:31	MacGyver	Something along the lines of "Ubuntu is an ancient African word that means `unable to configure Debian'".
2024-08-27 18:55:44	Darthix	hahaha
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2024-08-27 18:56:17	Darthix	well, TBF Debian *was* difficult to configure at the time when Ubuntu was born
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2024-08-27 18:56:55	topcat001	I remember that video. We had a south african post-doctoral fellow at my Uni and he introduced us to Ubuntu.
2024-08-27 18:57:04	Darthix	I have a bit of years on me. My first Debian install was from the time when Linux did not feature modules
2024-08-27 18:57:17	Darthix	so it was normal that you need to recompile the kernel if you want drivers
2024-08-27 18:57:22	topcat001	We were running Redhat at the time.
2024-08-27 18:57:27	Edu4rdSHL	!test
2024-08-27 18:57:28	phrik	[PASS]
2024-08-27 18:57:33	Darthix	!test
2024-08-27 18:57:33	phrik	[PASS]
2024-08-27 18:58:01	Darthix	I've had a school classmate who ran RedHat at that time
2024-08-27 18:58:43	Ingar	Red Hat 5 and 6 were quite awesome
2024-08-27 18:59:00	Darthix	I don't even remember all the shit I tried during my younger years. I used Debian, Ubuntu, and many other deb offsprings. Mandrake was the first Linux distro that I tried that configured itself
2024-08-27 18:59:10	Darthix	Gentoo for a while until I got sick of waiting
2024-08-27 18:59:33	Darthix	I actually switched to Arch for the first time now, like a month or two ago
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2024-08-27 19:00:06	Darthix	my debian friends are mad at me now
2024-08-27 19:00:14	⚡ 	Warepire sitting here having only ever really used Arch, except a brief stint with Ubuntu in 2014/2015 due to $work policies.
2024-08-27 19:00:45	Ingar	after LinuxFromScratch, I tried gentoo
2024-08-27 19:00:52	Ingar	two days later I installed arch and stayed there since
2024-08-27 19:01:15	Ingar	I have forgotten how many decades ago that was :D
2024-08-27 19:01:31	demonicmaniac1	at most 2 since arch is pretty much 20
2024-08-27 19:01:43	⚡ 	Darthix is happy
2024-08-27 19:01:48	demonicmaniac1	if you include the time of pre 1.0 versioned releases
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2024-08-27 19:02:41	Darthix	so who remembers BitchX ?
2024-08-27 19:02:50	Ingar	Darthix: yes
2024-08-27 19:02:54	Ingar	BitchX-Baby
2024-08-27 19:03:03	◣	Brainium (~brainium@user/brainium) has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2024-08-27 19:03:16	⚡ 	Darthix nods.
2024-08-27 19:03:24	⚡ 	Ingar was an IRC warrior
2024-08-27 19:03:42	Ingar	but that was even more decades ago
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2024-08-27 19:04:07	Darthix	life is good.
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2024-08-27 19:04:28	Darthix	we get to use technology which modern kids are not capable of understanding. well, most of them :D
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2024-08-27 19:06:09	Darthix	I would love to ask something on-topic, but I don't have any problems with Arch so unfortunately I have nothing to ask.
2024-08-27 19:06:16	Darthix	appologies for that.
2024-08-27 19:08:55	Ingar	Darthix: if you give me root access I can quickly create some
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2024-08-27 19:10:45	Warepire	Or buy an Nvidia GPU and desire to game on your Arch system =)
2024-08-27 19:10:50	madprops	my bluetooth headphones get interrupted when a wine program does audio
2024-08-27 19:10:57	madprops	as if a device switches
2024-08-27 19:11:46	Ingar	does wine go through pulse or does it speak alsa directly?
2024-08-27 19:11:51	Darthix	Warepire: I sold my 3080 because it wasn't as good experience on Linux as Radeon is so I kinda solved that issue already
2024-08-27 19:12:48	Ingar	Warepire: I'm actually on my second Radeon after being on nvidia since the gforce mx2. Should have done it a lot sooner.
2024-08-27 19:12:50	MacGyver	Ingar: (or pipewire)
2024-08-27 19:12:52	Darthix	Ingar: let's skip that and grab a beer instead :D
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2024-08-27 19:13:37	Ingar	MacGyver: does pipewire have its own API or is it a pule replacement ?
2024-08-27 19:13:41	Ingar	*pulse
2024-08-27 19:13:43	Darthix	the only issue with Radeon that I have, which I did not expect because Nvidia did not have such issue, is ... no HDMI 2.1
2024-08-27 19:13:47	MacGyver	Ingar: Yes.
2024-08-27 19:13:51	MacGyver	Ingar: (It does both)
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2024-08-27 19:14:05	madprops	im using pipewire with wireplumber
2024-08-27 19:14:12	Ingar	I'm not even sure what I'm using
2024-08-27 19:14:15	Ingar	I know it sucks :D
2024-08-27 19:14:21	Darthix	pipewire does pulse, alsa and jack all together
2024-08-27 19:14:21	Ingar	(probabely still pulse then)
2024-08-27 19:14:30	MacGyver	Darthix: Boycott HDMI, use DisplayPort.
2024-08-27 19:14:55	MacGyver	madprops: What does the interrupt sound like exactly?
2024-08-27 19:14:58	Darthix	MacGyver: I agree but my main screen is 4K120 with HDMI input only
2024-08-27 19:15:10	MacGyver	madprops: Like, is it a multi-second dropout of all audio, a single pop, or what?
2024-08-27 19:15:14	madprops	MacGyver, it pauses for a split second
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2024-08-27 19:16:32	madprops	in a steam/wine game it can change the audio sound
2024-08-27 19:16:42	madprops	i have to play with devices to make it sound normal again
2024-08-27 19:16:50	madprops	kind of a mess
2024-08-27 19:17:14	MacGyver	You could try starting the programs with a pipewire debug level to figure out what's going on; also look at the quant numbers in pw-top to figure out what's different in the before and after.
2024-08-27 19:17:33	MacGyver	Not sure how to debug bluetooth devices in particular.
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2024-08-27 19:17:54	MacGyver	But you might want to try reproducing on normal speakers to see if you can eliminate that as a potential cause entirely.
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2024-08-27 19:48:19	kby	Does anyone else use Beets? For some reason, `beets --version` returns 1.6.1 for me despite the Arch Linux package respository reporting 2.0.0 as the version
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2024-08-27 19:50:45	Darthix	kby: I will test for you
2024-08-27 19:51:26	teraflops	kby: did you pip install --user it at some point?
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2024-08-27 19:51:50	Darthix	it says 1.6.1 for me too
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2024-08-27 19:53:00	kby	no, I just tried installing over pipx and now I get 2.0.0
2024-08-27 19:53:06	kby	I have pip --user disabled
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2024-08-27 19:54:51	Edu4rdSHL	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/beets/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads#L81
2024-08-27 19:54:52	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / beets · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-08-27 19:55:41	Warepire	kby: They tagged 2.0.0 to the commit before setting the version number. https://github.com/beetbox/beets/commits/master/?after=b2360461d0c089111e0db4b8211092af13d82d6a+209 https://github.com/beetbox/beets/releases/tag/v2.0.0 (click the hash to see the commit they tagged)
2024-08-27 19:55:42	phrik	Title: Commits · beetbox/beets · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-08-27 19:56:36	Darthix	and nobody notices for two months?
2024-08-27 19:56:44	Warepire	Apparently...
2024-08-27 19:56:45	kby	oh... so beets retroactively released 2.0.0
2024-08-27 19:56:57	Warepire	More like released it a tad too quickly.
2024-08-27 19:56:59	kby	after the maintainers bumped to the respective commit
2024-08-27 19:57:02	kby	I see
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2024-08-27 19:59:57	Edu4rdSHL	Darthix, probably nobody cares about the version number if the features are there, which is the case
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2024-08-27 20:00:47	SparFuxXx	Hi! I have a Thinkpad X200 with UltraBase docking station. When booting the docked laptop, the secondary display is detected ok. When booting undocked and then dock, it isn't. I am using Gnome. How can I make it detect the secondary display on docking?
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2024-08-27 20:01:26	Edu4rdSHL	SparFuxXx, does udev detect the dock connection?
2024-08-27 20:02:02	Edu4rdSHL	Also, have you already check https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X200 ?
2024-08-27 20:02:03	phrik	Title: Lenovo ThinkPad X200 - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-08-27 20:02:40	SparFuxXx	Edu4rdSHL, I think so. USB-deviced connected to the docking station are detected, too.
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2024-08-27 20:03:17	Edu4rdSHL	Does it appear in Gnome's displays settings?
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2024-08-27 20:05:29	SparFuxXx	Edu4rdSHL, no, not when docking after bootup.
2024-08-27 20:05:36	SparFuxXx	Edu4rdSHL, only when booting while docked.
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2024-08-28 11:18:26	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-28 11:18:26	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1376 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1376 regular)
2024-08-28 10:13:00	drc	Redmine does support custom forms to open issues, e.g.
2024-08-28 10:13:31	drc	https://www.redmine.org/plugins/redmine_web_forms
2024-08-28 10:13:33	phrik	Title: Redmine Web Forms - Plugins - Redmine (at www.redmine.org)
2024-08-28 11:18:26	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-28 15:18:25	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-28 15:16:48	Namarrgon	Can't you force it with LD_PRELOAD without downgrading the package?
2024-08-28 15:16:50	another|	consider using a container?
2024-08-28 15:18:13	Namarrgon	LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/old/libasan.so.5 ./cataclysm-tiles
2024-08-28 15:18:26	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-08-28 15:19:22	_ngn	you can compile it from source
2024-08-28 15:19:22	Namarrgon	If it isn't ancient and has dropped off the archive, sure.
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2024-08-28 15:20:30	Namarrgon	was it part of the gcc9 release?
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2024-08-28 15:21:05	Namarrgon	https://archive.archlinux.org/packages/g/gcc/ still has some gcc9 artifacts.
2024-08-28 15:21:06	phrik	Title: Index of /packages/g/gcc/ (at archive.archlinux.org)
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2024-08-28 15:24:10	Namarrgon	https://archive.archlinux.org/packages/g/gcc-libs/gcc-libs-9.3.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst has the .so.5
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2024-08-28 15:34:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-28 15:24:41	Namarrgon	I don't have ldd here but you probably have to clean up some other dependencies as well.
2024-08-28 15:26:27	Namarrgon	Because it's tax season and anything than filing your taxes is more fun?
2024-08-28 15:31:26	falconindy	can i have them all?
2024-08-28 15:31:39	falconindy	i need more
2024-08-28 15:32:32	falconindy	http://0x0.st/XtIl.jpg
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2024-08-28 15:35:59	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-28 15:36:20	susi	well, i can see from the pixels..
2024-08-28 15:36:35	susi	it's sad anyways, kitten prisoners behind bars
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2024-08-28 15:38:50	susi	i have always wanted a cat, but unable to have on... no trust in my capacity to care well enough
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2024-08-28 15:38:59	susi	no trust from myself
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2024-08-28 15:41:19	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-28 15:41:19	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1401 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1401 regular)
2024-08-28 15:40:20	susi	and i have very mixed feelings about keeping a cat inside an apartment without letting it out ever
2024-08-28 15:40:37	susi	not even mixed, i just don't condone it
2024-08-28 15:40:47	susi	yet it's rarely possible to actually safely let em out
2024-08-28 15:41:20	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-28 15:41:35	susi	oh shite, this is on-topic :D
2024-08-28 15:41:37	susi	sorry
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2024-08-28 15:42:38	susi	i blame you for posting kittens -here-
2024-08-28 15:42:51	susi	:)
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2024-08-28 15:45:22	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-28 15:45:22	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-28 15:52:58	Ingar	if there's an archlinux logo in the kitten picture, does that count as on-topic ?
2024-08-28 15:54:03	drc	obviously
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2024-08-28 16:09:56	pounce	should i still put `root=/dev/mapper/root` in the kernel cmdline if `/dev/mapper/root` is a btrfs FS with multiple subvolumes, only one of which is the root filesystem?
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2024-08-28 16:10:06	pounce	unhinged question, i know
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2024-08-28 16:11:08	Scimmia	yes
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2024-08-28 16:11:47	pounce	how does the kernel figure out how to mount the root fs then?
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2024-08-28 16:12:08	Scimmia	If you're not using the default subvol, you have to specify that as well
2024-08-28 16:12:36	pounce	how do i specify?
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2024-08-28 16:12:47	pounce	i did mark the root subvol as default, though
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2024-08-28 16:13:25	Scimmia	I don't remember the command line option off the top of my head, there's a way to pass mount options
2024-08-28 16:14:42	pounce	does `root` have to come before `rw`?
2024-08-28 16:14:58	Scimmia	shouldn't matter
2024-08-28 16:15:04	pounce	hm
2024-08-28 16:15:41	Scimmia	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Btrfs#Mounting_subvolume_as_root
2024-08-28 16:15:42	pounce	why no boot
2024-08-28 16:15:42	phrik	Title: Btrfs - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-08-28 16:16:04	Scimmia	it's rootflags I coudln't remember
2024-08-28 16:16:12	pounce	oh also does anybody know how to clear old EFI entries? i still see `fedora` from the last install (which was fedora)
2024-08-28 16:16:38	Scimmia	efibootmgr will do it
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2024-08-28 16:20:12	pounce	ok, well first things first: my keyboard isn't working in the emergency shell
2024-08-28 16:20:19	pounce	it's USB not bt
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2024-08-28 16:20:40	pounce	the fact that all ports are usb3 might be an issue, but i don't have any non-usb3 ports
2024-08-28 16:21:26	jelle	usb == usb, 3 or 2 should not really matter
2024-08-28 16:22:36	pounce	could this be related to the "missing firmware for xhci_pci" message in mkinitcpio?
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2024-08-28 16:24:40	Namarrgon	unlikely
2024-08-28 16:24:56	Namarrgon	Does the keyboard work in the fallback initramfs?
2024-08-28 16:25:03	pounce	lemme try
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2024-08-28 16:28:38	pounce	hrm, the entries for my fallback initramfs seem to be wrong
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2024-08-28 16:30:18	pounce	Namarrgon: this is a new install though, so both should be identical?
2024-08-28 16:31:01	Namarrgon	Age has nothing to do with them being the identical or not.
2024-08-28 16:31:09	Namarrgon	s/the//
2024-08-28 16:31:46	Namarrgon	The fallback preset skips the autodetect hook, which may remove kernel modules that you actually want to use.
2024-08-28 16:31:55	pounce	i c
2024-08-28 16:32:17	Namarrgon	The fallback image is not some old kernel release, it's just a fatter initramfs for the same kernel.
2024-08-28 16:33:06	pounce	well let me get that working then :p
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2024-08-28 16:35:44	pounce	for some reason the initramfs is \initramfs-linux.img but the fallback is boot\initramfs--falback.img
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2024-08-28 16:35:53	pounce	ah, %v gets turned into nothing, for some reason by refind
2024-08-28 16:36:36	Namarrgon	refind's autodetection is too silly to handle arch's "versioning"
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2024-08-28 16:43:12	susi	most won't ever need the fallback image, and those who do, usually know what it's about
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2024-08-28 16:43:33	pounce	Scimmia: ty removed it with efibootmgr
2024-08-28 16:44:55	pounce	hrm refind seems to be associating linux-lts with the linux initramfs
2024-08-28 16:45:24	pounce	maybe i should use systemd-boot
2024-08-28 16:45:49	pounce	Namarrgon: yes, keyboard doesn't work with fallback initramfs
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2024-08-28 16:46:20	pounce	but the primary issue seems to be LTS kernel with mainline initramfs
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2024-08-28 16:47:21	Namarrgon	Like i said, refind's autogenerated entries tend to be made up bullshit
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2024-08-28 16:47:31	Namarrgon	and 'linux' isn't mainline, it's a stable release
2024-08-28 16:47:46	pounce	ah yeah, my b
2024-08-28 16:48:11	Namarrgon	Write the entry manually or use some other loader.
2024-08-28 16:48:46	pounce	if i write it in /efi/EFI/refind/refind.conf it'll show up? there are already some demo examples in there that don't automatically show up
2024-08-28 16:50:09	Namarrgon	"For rEFInd to support the naming scheme of Arch Linux kernels and thus allow matching them with their respective initramfs images, you must uncomment and edit extra_kernel_version_strings option in refind.conf. E.g.:"
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2024-08-28 16:51:17	Namarrgon	Yes, manual entries in $esp/EFI/refind/refind.conf should show up automatically.
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2024-08-28 17:00:25	pounce	it boots after changing extra_kernel_version_strings :D
2024-08-28 17:00:35	pounce	still into LTS, but i'll figure out the manual entry later
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2024-08-28 17:08:45	pounce	oh... `disabled` disables the entry
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2024-08-28 17:08:54	pounce	should have known 😜
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2024-08-28 17:19:17	pounce	i can't figure out how to write a custom entry when the kernel doesn't live in the ESP
2024-08-28 17:19:43	pounce	refind can autodetect that the kernel lives in a different partition, so autodetect works, but not manual
2024-08-28 17:20:13	pounce	here i'm following the 'wiki recommended' approach of /efi and /boot as two separate partitions
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2024-08-28 17:24:27	pounce	ah, the wiki seems to say that 'volume' needs to change
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2024-08-28 19:14:08	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-28 19:14:08	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1408 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1408 regular)
2024-08-28 17:44:50	astralc	[sudo] password for papagod:
2024-08-28 17:45:49	papagod	astralc: youtube.com
2024-08-28 17:47:57	abhimanyu	LMAO
2024-08-28 17:48:53	giovanni	yay
2024-08-28 17:49:04	giovanni	xD
2024-08-28 17:50:27	papagod	iwctl 
2024-08-28 18:05:09	Earnestly	Remember that pacman -Syuu is often better than just plain -Syu as downgrades (such as ell) do sometimes happen, along with mirror state differing between each other
2024-08-28 18:10:27	astralc	Earnestly: pacman will notify you if anything need downgrade
2024-08-28 18:11:31	Earnestly	It will inform you about a differing version yes
2024-08-28 18:12:05	Earnestly	But not many people know about the many flags pacman has which gain new meaning when doubled
2024-08-28 18:24:52	Edu4rdSHL	`man pacman` *read the whole manpage don't be lazy*
2024-08-28 18:24:54	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2024-08-28 18:25:05	falconindy	RTWFM
2024-08-28 18:25:22	Edu4rdSHL	What's that W for
2024-08-28 18:25:28	falconindy	read the whole fine manual.
2024-08-28 18:25:48	Edu4rdSHL	That's a w
2024-08-28 18:26:12	falconindy	you're a w
2024-08-28 18:26:41	Betal	don't we have some !syuu that say -Syu is ok ?
2024-08-28 18:27:14	Edu4rdSHL	syuu is invalid
2024-08-28 18:27:16	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2024-08-28 18:27:20	Betal	maybe it was some kind of !Sy
2024-08-28 18:27:38	astralc	!-Syuu
2024-08-28 18:27:39	phrik	astralc: No idea
2024-08-28 18:27:45	Edu4rdSHL	!Sy
2024-08-28 18:27:46	phrik	You are having this problem because you use `pacman -Sy` to do things. Stop doing that (see !sos) and do a full system upgrade.
2024-08-28 18:28:01	Betal	!Syuu
2024-08-28 18:28:01	phrik	Betal: The answer is 42.
2024-08-28 18:28:57	Gnana	!yus
2024-08-28 18:28:57	phrik	Gnana: Is that… Is that really a word?
2024-08-28 18:29:02	Gnana	ok
2024-08-28 18:31:22	Betal	ah it was Syyu
2024-08-28 18:31:27	Betal	!Syyu
2024-08-28 18:31:27	phrik	The double yy in `pacman -Syyu` is almost never needed. If you're switching to a mirror that uses an older copy of the repos, see !Syyuu instead. Unless your repo databases are completely corrupted, force-downloading already-up-to-date ones accomplishes nothing other than to waste bandwidth and server load. Do your part in conserving the internet, and avoid Syyu!
2024-08-28 18:32:30	noobaroo	I highly doubt the servers are considered about load. i am with my measly internet though.
2024-08-28 18:33:22	noobaroo	it would be very nice if only differences could be -Sy updated instead of redownloading the entire 10MB if its only 1KB out of date
2024-08-28 18:33:42	noobaroo	s/considered/concerned/
2024-08-28 18:36:33	gehidore	If 10M is a concern rolling release probably isn't for you
2024-08-28 18:36:41	gehidore	Food for thought 
2024-08-28 18:38:01	astralc	noobaroo: problem is that people did -yy multiple times per hour, with some automatic script
2024-08-28 18:38:19	astralc	also, not all mirrors are equal
2024-08-28 18:42:08	Edu4rdSHL	I dont use automated scripts, but dont you all ran -Syu every 5 mins?
2024-08-28 18:42:13	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2024-08-28 18:43:31	mefistofeles	every month
2024-08-28 18:43:32	mefistofeles	:P
2024-08-28 18:43:33	mefistofeles	or so
2024-08-28 18:44:38	Edu4rdSHL	That's not what I expected from an Arch user, I'm sad
2024-08-28 18:48:51	Betal	Edu4rdSHL: checkupdates :P
2024-08-28 18:48:57	noobaroo	gehidore its a concern when 10M needs to be downloaded everytime 1 byte is different
2024-08-28 18:49:42	Edu4rdSHL	Betal, there's a tool that kpcyrd created that give you notifications when updates are pending
2024-08-28 18:49:47	Edu4rdSHL	I forgot the name tho
2024-08-28 18:49:57	Betal	arch-audit-gtk ?
2024-08-28 18:50:03	jelle	nope
2024-08-28 18:50:08	jelle	checkupdates still downloads the whole db
2024-08-28 18:50:22	jelle	only fix for this is to implement some kind of delta algo
2024-08-28 18:50:41	BrainDamage	isn't the db compressed?
2024-08-28 18:50:47	Betal	even checksum dont help?
2024-08-28 18:50:52	BrainDamage	the delta would have to be after extraction
2024-08-28 18:51:11	Edu4rdSHL	Does checkupdates downloads the whole dbs every time you run it or is the behavior the same as -Sy ?
2024-08-28 18:51:14	BrainDamage	pacman already skips downloads if the archive is unchanged
2024-08-28 18:51:14	jelle	BrainDamage: the db is indeed compressed
2024-08-28 18:51:35	BrainDamage	that's too bad, otherwise zsync might've worked out of the box
2024-08-28 18:51:53	jelle	yeah, that was what I was thinking about :)
2024-08-28 18:52:51	gehidore	I only update when things finally break with -S ;)
2024-08-28 18:52:57	Betal	in this case, can't just serve the db uncompressed and use zsync ?
2024-08-28 18:53:27	noobaroo	gehidore I cant help that I have slow internet, its not fun and I wish it was faster. I tried Debian and came across issues, if i wanted the software features that i know and love then I would have had to recompile too many things
2024-08-28 18:53:46	Erus_Iluvatar	Edu4rdSHL: IIRC it behaves the same as pacman, i.e. it will only download the new db if there has been a change
2024-08-28 18:53:59	jelle	noobaroo: even then the db ain't an issue
2024-08-28 18:54:04	jelle	just downloading packages i an issue
2024-08-28 18:55:31	Erus_Iluvatar	noobaroo: tbh, if you have such a slow connection just update less frequently and you'll be fine. The 10MB from the db will only be a rounding error in the end.
2024-08-28 18:57:31	noobaroo	yeah, its not an actual issue to wait an extra 2 minutes. I just find it annoying. With how advanced and extremely complex software is nowadays that a "delta" method or whatever is not implemented
2024-08-28 18:57:58	gehidore	noobaroo I've been an arch user for a *long* time and most of that time was on dialup or garbage tier ADSL, I can't say I ever looked into it to the level of oh noes 10M! I lived with knowing my Internet was garbage and updated less often
2024-08-28 18:58:07	espresso	I update maybe every day or few, but in solidarity certainly agree with a more efficient algo when possible (I remember running wget -c for solid days, before broadband)
2024-08-28 18:58:15	gehidore	Literally only this year that I've had access to cable speeds 
2024-08-28 18:58:18	noobaroo	Like really, for 1 new package that i probably dont even use, i have to redownload the whole db?
2024-08-28 18:58:34	jelle	noobaroo: there is no delta support as there is no secure delta algorithm
2024-08-28 18:58:37	phrik	_Never_ -Sy when installing! https://gist.github.com/vodik/5660494
2024-08-28 18:58:50	jelle	!give noobaroo toofishes
2024-08-28 18:58:51	phrik	noobaroo: patches welcome
2024-08-28 19:00:42	Erus_Iluvatar	noobaroo: to expand on the delta stuff, see http://allanmcrae.com/2019/10/pacman-5-2-release/
2024-08-28 19:00:44	noobaroo	jelle oh okay... That's weird that there is no secure delta algorithm, ill have to look up and try to understand why that is sometime later
2024-08-28 19:00:52	jelle	well implementation
2024-08-28 19:00:59	jelle	also no one used the delta support
2024-08-28 19:01:04	espresso	good info
2024-08-28 19:01:43	Erus_Iluvatar	I don't remember many mirrors providing delta packages, too
2024-08-28 19:02:03	Erus_Iluvatar	honestly, if updating once a week is too much, just update once a month and you'll still be fine
2024-08-28 19:02:05	jelle	there was 1
2024-08-28 19:02:26	noobaroo	im going to sleep, bye, thanks for the reading material 
2024-08-28 19:07:03	Betal	so delta was not a problem " if a certain Linux distro signed their package databases"
2024-08-28 19:08:49	BrainDamage	there's organizational issues with signing the db
2024-08-28 19:08:49	gehidore	Oy it's killing me, make it stop
2024-08-28 19:09:04	BrainDamage	many packages in arch are still manually built in the devs' machines
2024-08-28 19:09:15	Edu4rdSHL	The good devs
2024-08-28 19:09:20	BrainDamage	you could claim arch is artisanally crafted
2024-08-28 19:10:05	mpan	The computer is patted regularly to ensure its good mood.
2024-08-28 19:10:14	Betal	so nobody want to sign the database if all packages are not in reproducible builds
2024-08-28 19:10:29	Betal	this makes sense
2024-08-28 19:11:24	Edu4rdSHL	I agree
2024-08-28 19:11:45	astralc	BrainDamage: the astringency of this package is superb
2024-08-28 19:11:45	Edu4rdSHL	https://reproducible.archlinux.org/ the stats appart from 
2024-08-28 19:11:46	jelle	Betal: that's untrue
2024-08-28 19:11:46	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Reproducible Status (at reproducible.archlinux.org)
2024-08-28 19:11:56	Edu4rdSHL	[extra-testing] aren't bad
2024-08-28 19:12:04	Edu4rdSHL	Uh, why it sent two messages
2024-08-28 19:14:11	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-28 19:14:50	Betal	jelle: what I mean to say is "if we don't have 100% of packages reproducibles, we don't sign the database", because if they are 100% reproducible, even the ci/cd could sign the database
2024-08-28 19:15:15	jelle	Betal: I don't understand the logic
2024-08-28 19:15:37	jelle	the repository database is likely reproducible
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2024-08-28 19:16:08	jelle	(don't think anyone tested that)
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2024-08-28 19:16:35	Betal	jelle: BrainDamage said it is more an organizational issue, that some packages are built in dev machines, if packages are reproducibles they can be built in arch servers
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2024-08-28 19:17:02	jelle	that's not an issue
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2024-08-28 19:17:15	jelle	the issue is making said infrastructure
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2024-08-28 19:18:12	Betal	isn't reproducible.archlinux.org building packages 2 times every update?
2024-08-28 19:18:17	jelle	no
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2024-08-28 19:18:27	jelle	it reproduces repository packages
2024-08-28 19:20:27	jelle	also https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Drop_Delta_RPMs
2024-08-28 19:20:29	phrik	Title: Changes/Drop Delta RPMs - Fedora Project Wiki (at fedoraproject.org)
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2024-08-28 19:25:14	Edu4rdSHL	Interesting read
2024-08-28 19:25:37	Edu4rdSHL	> Due to the way they are generated during the compose process, it is not possible to produce Delta RPMs for all packages that are involved in an upgrade (since only one previous version is considered for delta generation). This can lead to upgrades that involve hundreds of packages, but only a tiny fraction of them (or none at all) also have appropriate Delta RPMs available in the repository.
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2024-08-28 20:07:17	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-08-28 20:07:17	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1413 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1413 regular)
2024-08-28 19:59:18	Namarrgon	You haven't given us much to work with.
2024-08-28 20:04:33	Namarrgon	'locale'
2024-08-28 20:04:51	Namarrgon	Yes, post the output to a paste service.
2024-08-28 20:07:18	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-28 20:07:46	Namarrgon	!0x0
2024-08-28 20:07:47	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
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2024-08-28 20:13:30	Namarrgon	You need to redirect stderr, too: |&
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2024-08-28 21:08:47	pounce	is there any way to figure out what package firmware is currently coming from?
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2024-08-28 21:09:01	pounce	XY issue is that my ethernet port works on the iso but not on my install
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2024-08-28 21:11:11	teraflops	pounce: which nic is this?
2024-08-28 21:11:39	pounce	the one on my motherboard
2024-08-28 21:11:43	pounce	lemme look at the dell website
2024-08-28 21:11:45	teraflops	model
2024-08-28 21:12:04	teraflops	is it whown in lspci -k?
2024-08-28 21:12:09	teraflops	shown
2024-08-28 21:12:28	MrElendig	and define "doesn't work"
2024-08-28 21:12:37	pounce	i219 and i210
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2024-08-28 21:13:03	gehidore	pounce is it not listed under `ip a` or something?
2024-08-28 21:13:25	MrElendig	ip -br a; cat /etc/resolv.conf
2024-08-28 21:14:03	pounce	hol on it takes awhile to boot
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2024-08-28 21:18:16	pounce	ok well i have 4 entries in ip a: a loopback, wifi and two ethernet which sounds about right
2024-08-28 21:18:20	pounce	but not getting an address on either
2024-08-28 21:19:01	pounce	and it shows up in lspci -k
2024-08-28 21:19:05	pounce	so i guess i messed up dhcp?
2024-08-28 21:19:27	pounce	/etc/resolve.conf is empty
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2024-08-28 21:20:49	pounce	ah i forgot to set up /etc/hosts, if that matters
2024-08-28 21:20:54	pounce	i have a hostname though
2024-08-28 21:21:59	Namarrgon	How did you configure dhcp?
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2024-08-28 21:24:17	pounce	i might not be doing that
2024-08-28 21:24:29	pounce	is that part of the install guide
2024-08-28 21:24:55	Namarrgon	That was step 3.5
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2024-08-28 21:25:00	pounce	ok i started NetworkManager.service and now it works
2024-08-28 21:25:31	pounce	sorry abt that u?Ÿ™ƒ
2024-08-28 21:25:34	pounce	that*
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2024-08-28 21:26:13	Namarrgon	What do you mean?
2024-08-28 21:26:30	pounce	Namarrgon: i mean i started NetworkManager.service because i want it to manage DHCP and wifi and such
2024-08-28 21:26:32	pounce	and now everything works
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2024-08-28 21:45:17	bluetail	I want to install wlroots-git with a patch. However, when I compile it, it installs right in the wrong folder. I got the AUR https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=wlroots-git and the patch 4823 is right here https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots/-/merge_requests/4823
2024-08-28 21:45:18	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-08-28 21:45:38	bluetail	I also tried to manually git clone the repo and use patch, which worked, but then it was in the wrong dir installed
2024-08-28 21:45:46	bluetail	and I don't know how to do that
2024-08-28 21:46:19	bluetail	I initially did https://0x0.st/XtDc.sh
2024-08-28 21:46:25	bluetail	but that installed wrong on arch
2024-08-28 21:46:35	bluetail	can somebody help? I already used google and chatgpt xD
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2024-08-28 21:50:23	Edu4rdSHL	"it installs right in the wrong folder"
2024-08-28 21:50:27	Edu4rdSHL	What does that mean
2024-08-28 21:50:49	bluetail	wlroots-git is supposed to be somewhere at /usr/
2024-08-28 21:50:52	Edu4rdSHL	Also, chatgpt crap is useless usually
2024-08-28 21:50:57	bluetail	but where exactly I cannot see from the AUR even
2024-08-28 21:51:06	bluetail	it uses something like arch-meson which idk what the heck that is
2024-08-28 21:51:11	Edu4rdSHL	Then how do you know that "it installs right in the wrong folder"
2024-08-28 21:51:14	bluetail	like if u look at https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=wlroots-git
2024-08-28 21:51:16	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-08-28 21:51:19	bluetail	Edu4rdSHL cause I was told so
2024-08-28 21:51:22	Edu4rdSHL	I know what it does
2024-08-28 21:51:24	Edu4rdSHL	You don't
2024-08-28 21:51:35	Edu4rdSHL	bluetail, again, you're being unhelpful, give details
2024-08-28 21:51:39	Edu4rdSHL	What's the error?
2024-08-28 21:51:54	bluetail	that sway would not load it if it is right in the same folder where the git folder was
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2024-08-28 21:52:04	Edu4rdSHL	What
2024-08-28 21:52:07	bluetail	eg if I git clone to ~/poop it would be at ~/poop/binary or whatever
2024-08-28 21:52:13	Edu4rdSHL	...
2024-08-28 21:52:13	bluetail	the installed file
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2024-08-28 21:52:25	Edu4rdSHL	Do you even know how PKGBUILDs work?
2024-08-28 21:52:32	bluetail	yea I maintain some
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2024-08-28 21:52:52	pounce	yeah wlroots-git has some issues i think
2024-08-28 21:53:01	Edu4rdSHL	Then it should be easy for you to understand that what you're saying doesn't make sense
2024-08-28 21:53:11	Edu4rdSHL	Again, what's the error?
2024-08-28 21:53:16	bluetail	There is no error
2024-08-28 21:53:30	Edu4rdSHL	So it works
2024-08-28 21:53:34	bluetail	I want to install a patch and sway isn't picking it up because the binary of wlroots-git is at the wrong location
2024-08-28 21:53:44	bluetail	my initial idea was
2024-08-28 21:53:47	astralc	so there is no patch problem, no build problem. even from original repo...
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2024-08-28 21:54:01	bluetail	to just install wlroots-git and then edit the git cloned src and just edit the file 
2024-08-28 21:54:05	bluetail	or git patch
2024-08-28 21:54:07	astralc	what is the binary of wlr?
2024-08-28 21:54:09	bluetail	neither of worked
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2024-08-28 21:54:31	bluetail	https://0x0.st/Xtkv.txt
2024-08-28 21:54:40	Edu4rdSHL	bluetail, you dont need to edit anything
2024-08-28 21:54:44	Edu4rdSHL	Just apply the patch?
2024-08-28 21:55:00	bluetail	I tried to apply patch but it said it cant find the file
2024-08-28 21:55:04	bluetail	it works if I dont use aur'
2024-08-28 21:55:07	bluetail	then I can apply patch
2024-08-28 21:55:15	bluetail	but then it doesnt install in the locations I just supplied
2024-08-28 21:55:18	Edu4rdSHL	Then you dont know how to use patchs inside a PKGBUILD
2024-08-28 21:55:25	astralc	wlroots is a library
2024-08-28 21:55:26	bluetail	then you please explain me lol
2024-08-28 21:55:29	Edu4rdSHL	You need to add https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots/-/merge_requests/4823.patch to the sources
2024-08-28 21:55:32	astralc	not a executable
2024-08-28 21:55:38	Edu4rdSHL	Or download it and add to the sources
2024-08-28 21:55:44	bluetail	lol thats all
2024-08-28 21:55:44	Edu4rdSHL	And then apply the patch in a prepare()
2024-08-28 21:55:48	bluetail	just space and https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots/-/merge_requests/4823.patch
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2024-08-28 21:55:58	bluetail	wait, in prepare ... ok two steps
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2024-08-28 21:57:46	bluetail	Edu4rdSHL like so? https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots/-/merge_requests/4823.patch
2024-08-28 21:57:49	bluetail	wait
2024-08-28 21:57:51	bluetail	wrong link
2024-08-28 21:57:54	bluetail	https://0x0.st/Xtkx.txt
2024-08-28 21:58:38	Edu4rdSHL	No
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2024-08-28 21:59:06	Edu4rdSHL	1) the patch is not in source= as I said before
2024-08-28 21:59:29	Edu4rdSHL	2) _meson_setup "${_builddir_pkgver}" doesn't make sense in that prepare(), just do a normal cd
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2024-08-28 22:00:38	bluetail	u didnt instruct me to change that
2024-08-28 22:00:39	Edu4rdSHL	3) something like patch -Np1 -i "../4823.patch" is what you want
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2024-08-28 22:00:44	Edu4rdSHL	I did
2024-08-28 22:00:55	Edu4rdSHL	> You need to add https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots/-/merge_requests/4823.patch to the sources
2024-08-28 22:01:10	bluetail	yes thats what you said
2024-08-28 22:01:26	bluetail	sources instead of source?
2024-08-28 22:01:31	bluetail	of PKGBUILD
2024-08-28 22:01:36	Edu4rdSHL	... 
2024-08-28 22:01:51	astralc	🤦
2024-08-28 22:01:52	Edu4rdSHL	We were talking about PKGBUILDs, don't act like a child
2024-08-28 22:01:55	bluetail	by the way the .patch did download
2024-08-28 22:02:07	alad	children
2024-08-28 22:02:09	alad	it's time for bed
2024-08-28 22:02:18	bluetail	maybe I can just try apply patch
2024-08-28 22:02:25	mefistofeles	alad: ok daddy
2024-08-28 22:02:30	astralc	alad: but daaad, it not midnight yet
2024-08-28 22:02:31	alad	:O
2024-08-28 22:02:38	Edu4rdSHL	Whatever that apply the patch should work
2024-08-28 22:02:44	Edu4rdSHL	alad, alaaaaaaaaddddd
2024-08-28 22:02:49	alad	>:|
2024-08-28 22:03:10	astralc	aldad
2024-08-28 22:03:12	Edu4rdSHL	Allah
2024-08-28 22:03:12	mefistofeles	alad: got weird really quick :/ haha
2024-08-28 22:03:17	mefistofeles	is doing
2024-08-28 22:03:20	mefistofeles	alad is doing
2024-08-28 22:03:21	topcat001	I have kind of switched back to NetworkManager after having firmware crashes with iwd on some devices. Sad
2024-08-28 22:03:37	topcat001	on laptop/wifi setups
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2024-08-28 22:06:16	bluetail	ok this looks better https://0x0.st/Xtk0.txt
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2024-08-28 22:06:37	Edu4rdSHL	What
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2024-08-28 22:07:14	MrElendig	topcat001: using testing?
2024-08-28 22:07:25	bluetail	hmm but still no fix...
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2024-08-28 22:07:56	Edu4rdSHL	Your prepare() doesn't make sense
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2024-08-28 22:08:09	Edu4rdSHL	Please take a read to the ArchWiki
2024-08-28 22:08:15	astralc	cd /home.... should be in PKGBUILD... EVER
2024-08-28 22:08:16	Edu4rdSHL	!aw PKGBUILD
2024-08-28 22:08:17	phrik	Edu4rdSHL: PKGBUILD - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PKGBUILD
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2024-08-28 22:08:40	topcat001	MrElendig: no just usual repos.
2024-08-28 22:08:56	bluetail	Edu4rdSHL I left the prepare default as it was for ages
2024-08-28 22:09:01	bluetail	and then I added stuff
2024-08-28 22:09:07	bluetail	like the cd and the patch
2024-08-28 22:09:14	bluetail	if it doesn't make sense, please talk to the maintainer
2024-08-28 22:09:33	bluetail	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/wlroots-git
2024-08-28 22:09:34	topcat001	I should mention that both devices have Qualcomm QCA series chips.
2024-08-28 22:09:36	Edu4rdSHL	No, the problem is that you don't have a clue of what you're doing
2024-08-28 22:09:42	astralc	s/should/shouldn't/
2024-08-28 22:09:45	Edu4rdSHL	The maintainer having nothing to do
2024-08-28 22:09:49	Edu4rdSHL	And honestly
2024-08-28 22:09:51	Edu4rdSHL	!bail
2024-08-28 22:09:52	phrik	Looks like Edu4rdSHL is bailing out on this one - good luck!
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2024-08-28 22:10:59	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: bueno pero no te enojes!
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2024-08-28 22:13:30	Edu4rdSHL	mefistofeles, xD
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2024-08-28 22:17:10	bluetail	Edu4rdSHL chatgpt did it for me :D https://0x0.st/XtkC.txt
2024-08-28 22:17:16	bluetail	it works now
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2024-08-28 22:17:49	bluetail	absolutely not sure what changed tho
2024-08-28 22:18:17	bluetail	would have to vimdiff
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2024-08-28 22:22:30	astralc	each day that pass, I bacome more pro that arch CoC/rules should add chatgpt as not-supported
2024-08-28 22:23:15	mefistofeles	no way to tell, seems like it would create more tension and conflict, than solve anything in practice
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2024-08-28 22:24:51	Edu4rdSHL	astralc, ++
2024-08-28 22:25:09	mefistofeles	ChatGPT agrees btw
2024-08-28 22:25:11	Edu4rdSHL	Some channels like #networking, #postgresql, already do that
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2024-08-28 22:27:03	bluetail	astralc that would be discriminatory for people like me with cognitive disability
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2024-08-28 22:27:42	bluetail	like, I can't even understand whats written on that linked manual page the same way others can, it needs to be worked through and formatted / written differently
2024-08-28 22:27:45	bluetail	thats quite some effort
2024-08-28 22:28:03	bluetail	I am not dumb, it's just people who don't understand 
2024-08-28 22:28:24	bluetail	for the most part the archlinux wiki is great
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2024-08-28 22:28:40	bluetail	but it really lacks when it comes to ease of understanding
2024-08-28 22:28:41	teraflops	bluetail: https://paste.priet.us/PKGBUILD something like that
2024-08-28 22:28:44	astralc	it don't change the fact that chatgpt give you wrong/incomplete/dangerous answers
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2024-08-28 22:28:56	Edu4rdSHL	ChatGPT just throw nonsense, like it did with your PKGBUILD
2024-08-28 22:28:57	bluetail	teraflops thanks will look into it
2024-08-28 22:29:02	Edu4rdSHL	That confirms it
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2024-08-28 22:30:12	bluetail	instead of saying it's bad, give us alternatives to learn this stuff
2024-08-28 22:30:32	bluetail	it's not that we can't learn, we want, but its kind of tough on our brains the way its communicated / written down
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2024-08-28 22:34:08	bluetail	teraflops I barely see a difference? But yours is prettier yes, with the bash expansion https://0x0.st/Xtde.html
2024-08-28 22:34:09	phrik	Title: diff (at 0x0.st)
2024-08-28 22:34:44	bluetail	thanks tho
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2024-08-28 22:35:15	astralc	the cd and patch part? it is clear in the diff
2024-08-28 22:35:24	astralc	(and lot of tabs/space difference)
2024-08-28 22:35:45	teraflops	bluetail: it builds here
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2024-08-28 22:35:54	bluetail	yep
2024-08-28 22:35:57	bluetail	both versions do
2024-08-28 22:36:14	teraflops	and patch the file what else do you need?
2024-08-28 22:36:21	astralc	move the folder with pkgbuild to other location, now it won't
2024-08-28 22:36:31	bluetail	yea, teraflops's is cooler
2024-08-28 22:37:17	teraflops	I literally added 2 lines to the original pkgbuild :D
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2024-08-28 22:38:19	bluetail	yea but initially I didnt get it either
2024-08-28 22:38:29	bluetail	chatgpt helped but in a non-complete way and people raged
2024-08-28 22:38:45	bluetail	I had first something like
2024-08-28 22:38:47	bluetail	git patch *
2024-08-28 22:38:52	bluetail	instead of patch ... blah
2024-08-28 22:38:56	bluetail	and no cd
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2024-08-28 22:41:04	teraflops	bluetail: honestly asking vhatgpt fir such things is useless
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2024-08-28 22:42:13	Edu4rdSHL	vhatgpt
2024-08-28 22:42:13	bluetail	teraflops what would you think about when companies start to use chatgpt to automate their processes?
2024-08-28 22:42:30	teraflops	it wont happen
2024-08-28 22:42:32	⚡ 	topcat001 uses #archlinuxGPT
2024-08-28 22:42:58	bluetail	teraflops hopefully not... but I know some already try to
2024-08-28 22:43:16	bluetail	the potential to fail it is high I guess
2024-08-28 22:43:28	topcat001	better context/state retention than botGPTs :)
2024-08-28 22:43:37	teraflops	sorry typo :D
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2024-08-28 22:47:16	teraflops	there is a new IA powered code editor named cursor, I should compare it with copilot
2024-08-28 22:47:49	teraflops	IA/AI
2024-08-28 22:47:56	Edu4rdSHL	Ayayay
2024-08-28 22:48:00	teraflops	heheh
2024-08-28 22:48:38	astralc	Edu4rdSHL: you imitating alpha 5?
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2024-08-29 13:39:55	demonicmaniac1	Earnestly: t14 g5 amd just released comes with zen4 still - 8845hs and such but matte screens and dimm slots again - ddr5 5600 sodimm
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2024-08-29 13:42:40	demonicmaniac1	Earnestly: or the p14s amd g5 with 8840hs and 14" 2.8K (2880 x 1800) 120 Hz OLED Anti-glare
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2024-08-29 15:38:30	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-29 15:50:47	demonicmaniac1	mingdao: no, 8840hs is still zen4+, there are no "pro" zen5 mobile chips yet so no thinkpads yet, the 370 hx are so far only in consumer laptops
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2024-08-29 15:55:05	teraflops	demonicmaniac1: this is an 8945HS and afaik is zen4 
2024-08-29 15:55:11	mtry	just a general question, has anybody been having issues with realtek network cards? (in particular rtw88 and friends)
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2024-08-29 16:00:24	demonicmaniac1	teraflops: sort of, 7940hs was the actual zen4, the 8xxx have the added npu and stuff
2024-08-29 16:07:07	Strykar	is creating /etc/udev/rules.d/99-hide-kioxia.rules with "SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="30de", ATTRS{idProduct}=="6544", ATTRS{serial}=="0022CFF6BD70C5919321E568", ENV{UDISKS_IGNORE}="1"" not enough to stop udisks mucking with a pen drive? What else is needed?
2024-08-29 16:08:48	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-08-29 16:09:17	teraflops	ah yes the npu thingy
2024-08-29 16:09:33	mpan	Strykar: you want to ignore filesystem, not the stick, I think.
2024-08-29 16:09:53	mpan	SUBSYSTEMS=="block", ENV{ID_FS_UUID}=="83072596-415a-4f6d-bb34-8558cc5d099b", ENV{UDISKS_IGNORE}="1"
2024-08-29 16:09:57	mpan	(an example I use)
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2024-08-29 16:10:14	jelle	I wouldn't be suprised if udisks can ignore devices too
2024-08-29 16:10:35	mtry	yes udisks can hide/ignore devices
2024-08-29 16:11:03	mtry	wiki explicitly lists it as a troubleshooting step but no in depth listing of such a config rule
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2024-08-29 16:12:34	mtry	if you want to just block a kernel name, you want to do something like "KERNEL=="sda1", ENV{UDISKS_IGNORE}="1"" in your udev rules file
2024-08-29 16:13:10	mtry	Strykar: tell me more about what ur trying to do
2024-08-29 16:13:26	Strykar	mtry: scripting
2024-08-29 16:13:29	Strykar	voops
2024-08-29 16:13:35	Strykar	brb, reboot
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2024-08-29 16:15:04	mtry	been having issues with the rtw8822ce driver, saying it cant wake my realtek network card from lps state (power saving mode, the host is a laptop) and im just wondering if i should give up hope
2024-08-29 16:15:16	mtry	internet says "maybe"
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2024-08-29 16:17:27	mtry	anyone have a realtek card? whats ur experience with it
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2024-08-29 16:25:22	teraflops	mtry:  RTL8125 2.5GbE here no issues so far
2024-08-29 16:25:48	Warepire	teraflops: Theirs is a wireless chip
2024-08-29 16:26:00	teraflops	ah
2024-08-29 16:26:06	Strykar	so I rebooted after disabling the udisks2 service, and it still appears to muck with the pen drive, and something is auto mounting it "Error mounting /dev/sdc1: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Error.AlreadyMounted: Device /dev/sdc1 is already mounted at `/run/media/root/bootldr'"
2024-08-29 16:26:22	Strykar	and I just learnt udisks2 cannot be uninstalled :(
2024-08-29 16:26:51	jelle	why disable when you can write a working udev rule :)
2024-08-29 16:26:53	mtry	Strykar: how are you matching the device in the ignoring rule?
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2024-08-29 16:27:05	mpan	Strykar: udisks2 would not automount anything.
2024-08-29 16:27:10	Strykar	jelle: trying PARTUUID now
2024-08-29 16:27:19	jelle	are you trigger udevadm trigger?
2024-08-29 16:27:21	mpan	So I’d blame some other software.
2024-08-29 16:27:48	mtry	yea ur probably gonna find it in logs
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2024-08-29 16:31:26	mpan	Strykar: also see `ENV{UDISKS_AUTO}="0"` if something is automounting the drive. But this is only a hint for that something set by udisks.
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2024-08-29 16:32:59	mtry	Strykar: low hanging fruit guess, it could be in your fstab?
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2024-08-29 16:36:51	Strykar	It is udisks2, is gnome calling it?: Aug 29 19:59:32 r912 udisksd[4127]: Mounted /dev/sdc1 at /run/media/root/bootldr on behalf of uid 0
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2024-08-29 16:37:37	mpan	DEs commonly use udisks API to mount things, so possible.
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2024-08-29 16:37:57	mpan	But UDISKS_IGNORE and UDISKS_AUTO work?
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2024-08-29 16:52:03	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-29 16:38:21	mtry	Strykar: check your DEs disk utility GUI program thing. they often have options for enabling/disabling automount
2024-08-29 16:38:39	mtry	Strykar: also to reiterate, you did check fstab?
2024-08-29 16:39:50	mpan	This part is confusing, though: “on behalf of uid 0”.
2024-08-29 16:39:57	Strykar	its not my fstab, I have been reloading udevadm. I disabled gnome-automount, gonna try rebooting again
2024-08-29 16:39:58	mpan	The DE would mount on behalf of your user, nto root.
2024-08-29 16:40:33	mtry	mpan: yea i figured, still worth checking
2024-08-29 16:41:09	mpan	Sure. Just noting a detail that doesn’t fit.
2024-08-29 16:43:00	mtry	i recently switched from gnome but back when i~ had it it would never misbehave like that. maybe its some remaining auto-re-mount from a previous session that udisks saved?
2024-08-29 16:43:30	mtry	squiggly line snuck in by accident lol
2024-08-29 16:45:41	mtry	strykar: worst case ur gonna have to manually umount it
2024-08-29 16:47:05	Strykar	Unbelievable, even after disabling gnome-automount - "sh[8179]: Error mounting /dev/sdc1: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Error.AlreadyMounted: Device /dev/sdc1 is already mounted at `/run/media/root/bootldr'." And udisks2 does not care that its disabled - https://bpa.st/XPUQ
2024-08-29 16:47:09	phrik	Title: View paste XPUQ (at bpa.st)
2024-08-29 16:48:05	ice_penguin	hi, does anyone know how to delete a file in lf file manager
2024-08-29 16:48:10	ice_penguin	using bspwm
2024-08-29 16:48:11	ice_penguin	??
2024-08-29 16:48:19	mtry	Strykar: did you previously manually unmount it? is it maybe trying to automatically "remember" previous mounts, akin to fstab in a way?
2024-08-29 16:50:31	mtry	ice_penguin: did you check the reference sheet? 
2024-08-29 16:51:20	ice_penguin	mtry, yes i did but to be honest i didnt understand the manual
2024-08-29 16:52:04	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-08-29 16:52:24	mtry	ice_penguin: try using the map command to map the command `delete` to something you like
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2024-08-29 16:52:44	astralc	quick look in manual... maybe ctrl+d?
2024-08-29 16:53:02	astralc	and 'delete' key
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2024-08-29 16:53:22	astralc	ah.. I read the wrong section
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2024-08-29 16:54:00	ice_penguin	mtry, that is exactly what i dont understand what really is or which one is the map command in my keyboard
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2024-08-29 16:54:15	ice_penguin	sorry im a rooki
2024-08-29 16:54:18	ice_penguin	:)
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2024-08-29 16:54:43	astralc	:delete
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2024-08-29 16:55:30	mtry	ice_penguin: the config files are /etc/lf/lfrc and ~/.config/lf/lfrc, for system wide and user config respectively. insert the command there, something like `map d delete %f%`?
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2024-08-29 16:56:23	ice_penguin	mtry, ok let me see
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2024-08-29 16:56:25	mtry	ice_penguin: be aware i generally discourage using a keybind to delete things... one small mishap and ur down a file
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2024-08-29 16:57:05	mtry	ice_penguin: also what astralc said. :delete is probably what ur looking for ;)
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2024-08-29 16:58:30	ice_penguin	mtry, i really dont need a key combination to delete a single file i just want to be able to delete files from lf file manager
2024-08-29 16:58:52	mtry	ice_penguin: then use :delete
2024-08-29 16:58:53	ice_penguin	i know with y then p im able to paste content
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2024-08-29 17:02:09	ice_penguin	mtry, yes dude :delete doo the trick
2024-08-29 17:02:11	ice_penguin	awesome
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2024-08-29 17:03:05	ice_penguin	another questions it is possible to create folder or file in lf file manager
2024-08-29 17:03:06	ice_penguin	??
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2024-08-29 17:05:59	mtry	ice_penguin: i think you should familiarise yourself with the manual a bit more. `$mkdir` does the trick
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2024-08-29 17:07:20	mtry	ice_penguin: mkdir also appears to be builtin.
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2024-08-29 17:12:01	ice_penguin	mtry, yes i will when i getting confused is in the key command
2024-08-29 17:12:13	ice_penguin	i dont know what command to use
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2024-08-29 17:14:29	mtry	ice_penguin: just keep using it and you will have it down soon enough! a youtube tutorial or two will certainly help
2024-08-29 17:14:40	mtry	good luck on ur learning journey, im logging off
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2024-08-29 17:17:13	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-29 16:38:21	mtry	Strykar: check your DEs disk utility GUI program thing. they often have options for enabling/disabling automount
2024-08-29 16:38:39	mtry	Strykar: also to reiterate, you did check fstab?
2024-08-29 16:39:50	mpan	This part is confusing, though: “on behalf of uid 0”.
2024-08-29 16:39:57	Strykar	its not my fstab, I have been reloading udevadm. I disabled gnome-automount, gonna try rebooting again
2024-08-29 16:39:58	mpan	The DE would mount on behalf of your user, nto root.
2024-08-29 16:40:33	mtry	mpan: yea i figured, still worth checking
2024-08-29 16:41:09	mpan	Sure. Just noting a detail that doesn’t fit.
2024-08-29 16:43:00	mtry	i recently switched from gnome but back when i~ had it it would never misbehave like that. maybe its some remaining auto-re-mount from a previous session that udisks saved?
2024-08-29 16:43:30	mtry	squiggly line snuck in by accident lol
2024-08-29 16:45:41	mtry	strykar: worst case ur gonna have to manually umount it
2024-08-29 16:47:05	Strykar	Unbelievable, even after disabling gnome-automount - "sh[8179]: Error mounting /dev/sdc1: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Error.AlreadyMounted: Device /dev/sdc1 is already mounted at `/run/media/root/bootldr'." And udisks2 does not care that its disabled - https://bpa.st/XPUQ
2024-08-29 16:47:09	phrik	Title: View paste XPUQ (at bpa.st)
2024-08-29 16:48:05	ice_penguin	hi, does anyone know how to delete a file in lf file manager
2024-08-29 16:48:10	ice_penguin	using bspwm
2024-08-29 16:48:11	ice_penguin	??
2024-08-29 16:48:19	mtry	Strykar: did you previously manually unmount it? is it maybe trying to automatically "remember" previous mounts, akin to fstab in a way?
2024-08-29 16:50:31	mtry	ice_penguin: did you check the reference sheet? 
2024-08-29 16:51:20	ice_penguin	mtry, yes i did but to be honest i didnt understand the manual
2024-08-29 16:52:32	mtry	ice_penguin: try using the map command to map the command `delete` to something you like
2024-08-29 16:52:52	astralc	quick look in manual... maybe ctrl+d?
2024-08-29 16:53:10	astralc	and 'delete' key
2024-08-29 16:53:30	astralc	ah.. I read the wrong section
2024-08-29 16:54:08	ice_penguin	mtry, that is exactly what i dont understand what really is or which one is the map command in my keyboard
2024-08-29 16:54:23	ice_penguin	sorry im a rooki
2024-08-29 16:54:26	ice_penguin	:)
2024-08-29 16:54:51	astralc	:delete
2024-08-29 16:55:38	mtry	ice_penguin: the config files are /etc/lf/lfrc and ~/.config/lf/lfrc, for system wide and user config respectively. insert the command there, something like `map d delete %f%`?
2024-08-29 16:56:31	ice_penguin	mtry, ok let me see
2024-08-29 16:56:33	mtry	ice_penguin: be aware i generally discourage using a keybind to delete things... one small mishap and ur down a file
2024-08-29 16:57:13	mtry	ice_penguin: also what astralc said. :delete is probably what ur looking for ;)
2024-08-29 16:58:38	ice_penguin	mtry, i really dont need a key combination to delete a single file i just want to be able to delete files from lf file manager
2024-08-29 16:59:00	mtry	ice_penguin: then use :delete
2024-08-29 16:59:01	ice_penguin	i know with y then p im able to paste content
2024-08-29 17:02:17	ice_penguin	mtry, yes dude :delete doo the trick
2024-08-29 17:02:19	ice_penguin	awesome
2024-08-29 17:03:13	ice_penguin	another questions it is possible to create folder or file in lf file manager
2024-08-29 17:03:14	ice_penguin	??
2024-08-29 17:06:07	mtry	ice_penguin: i think you should familiarise yourself with the manual a bit more. `$mkdir` does the trick
2024-08-29 17:07:28	mtry	ice_penguin: mkdir also appears to be builtin.
2024-08-29 17:12:09	ice_penguin	mtry, yes i will when i getting confused is in the key command
2024-08-29 17:12:21	ice_penguin	i dont know what command to use
2024-08-29 17:14:37	mtry	ice_penguin: just keep using it and you will have it down soon enough! a youtube tutorial or two will certainly help
2024-08-29 17:14:48	mtry	good luck on ur learning journey, im logging off
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2024-08-29 17:56:54	Freneticks	by default fstrim.service doesn't trim btrfs disk ?
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2024-08-29 18:10:12	Freneticks	also since live trim doesn't work on sata3 their seems to be never trimed
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2024-08-29 18:23:03	Strykar	How do I configure a custom archiso kernel to output to all displays? "sed -i 's|append|append video=DP-1:2560x1440@144e video=HDMI-1:1920x1080@74.972e|g' "$WORK_DIR/syslinux/archiso_sys.cfg"" works for my primary but not secondary, I've tried without refresh rates too
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2024-08-29 18:24:41	Strykar	with the stock ISO, nouveau outputs only to my secondary display
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2024-08-29 18:25:25	Namarrgon	Did you install the proprietary nvidia drivers on the custom archiso?
2024-08-29 18:25:48	Namarrgon	Freneticks: What output do you get when you manually run fstrim on the btrfs volume?
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2024-08-29 18:27:12	Strykar	Namarrgon: I did, and tried the above, which enables only my primary display
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2024-08-29 18:32:33	Strykar	still think I should ping the nouveau maintainer? :)
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2024-08-29 18:50:35	MacGyver	Strykar: In my experience, this is also partly UEFI fuckery.
2024-08-29 18:50:52	MacGyver	Strykar: If you figure this one out, please ping me.
2024-08-29 18:51:05	MacGyver	(Don't run Nvidia myself but I have a similar problem on AMD)
2024-08-29 18:51:43	MacGyver	Strykar: Basically, if I enable the CSM in my UEFI, the GPU(s) initialize with all outputs active and mirrored.
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2024-08-29 18:52:09	MacGyver	Strykar: If I don't, I only get a single active output until I run xrandr.
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2024-08-29 19:01:23	Strykar	MacGyver: sure, but this issue (stock kernel) does not occur with GTX 10xx or RTX 30xx GPUs I tested
2024-08-29 19:01:51	Strykar	both my displays are off one GPU tho
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2024-08-29 19:02:35	raggi	i've never seen a system come up mirorred, that sounds sort of useful, but my guess is a bios vendor hack does that for you
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2024-08-29 19:03:01	raggi	i guess that's not quite true, i've seen that on a bunch of server boxes, but i don't think i've ever seen it on a home board
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2024-08-29 19:04:52	Strykar	there's lots of fuckery about to point fingers without more info. Older Nvidia GPU BIOS would always make the DVI display primary, even over DP, but at least the kernel could send video signals to both
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2024-08-29 19:17:10	raggi	huh, the nvidia dcb docs claim that prior to g80 there was a mirror mode accessible from vga, for a max of two outputs, and after g80 that was removed
2024-08-29 19:17:18	andreas808	Hi folks! I am trying to install zfs-dkms via AUR (or, aurutils). However, when I run "dkms install --no-depmod zfs/2.2.5 -k 6.6.47-1-lts", I get "Error! The directory /var/lib/dkms/zfs/2.2.5/source does not appear to have module source located within it.", even though that directory gas source files in it. Any ideas?
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2024-08-29 19:21:35	Edu4rdSHL	Damn, the Xwayland memory leak on Nvidia 560 is a PITA when you play AAA games.
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2024-08-29 19:23:05	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: you probably have better results with something like gamescope, I think
2024-08-29 19:23:15	mefistofeles	haven't tested it myself, I don't really play games
2024-08-29 19:24:17	Edu4rdSHL	mefistofeles, the issue is directly related to anything that uses Xwayland, so gamescope won't change it. You can even make something like Xterm eat 2GB vram just resizing it a few times :)
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2024-08-29 19:25:49	Edu4rdSHL	https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/560-release-feedback-discussion/300830/165
2024-08-29 19:25:51	phrik	Title: 560 release feedback & discussion - #165 by nicneme123 - Linux - NVIDIA Developer Forums (at forums.developer.nvidia.com)
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2024-08-29 19:27:36	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: ah well, that's different, but I do suggest playing games using gamescope
2024-08-29 19:28:07	mefistofeles	and avoiding xwayland, fortunately that's not hard these days
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2024-08-29 19:29:18	Edu4rdSHL	You can't play any games that aren't native (which is 99%) and even native games require special implementations to work without Xwayland, that's it
2024-08-29 19:29:43	teraflops	today I got rid of windows now that nvidia powerd works again on my laptop and I can get all the juice from the rtx 4070
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2024-08-29 19:30:31	Edu4rdSHL	I dont use any Xwayland app outside of Steam and games, and the leak still occurs there if you tab in/out so much on your game D:
2024-08-29 19:31:10	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: some people reported it as solved, but not sure what exactly, since they talk about many issues in that thread xD
2024-08-29 19:31:23	Edu4rdSHL	k, I just tested on a native wayland app and the leak occurs even there
2024-08-29 19:31:31	Edu4rdSHL	If you resize it several times
2024-08-29 19:32:06	Edu4rdSHL	mefistofeles, the leak is not, at least in the thread. Some issue which was KDE-specific was solved (the one requiring to disable GSP) but the leak isn't
2024-08-29 19:32:26	Edu4rdSHL	And there aren't workarounds for it atm
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2024-08-29 19:43:50	chikuwasuka	anyone know how to diagnose what process is keeping a user session from exiting? suppose you have access to the tty and can enter commands before, during, and after the hang.
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2024-08-29 19:47:08	mpan	chikuwasuka: assuming the process actually stays there, just htop should show it.
2024-08-29 19:47:20	mpan	Also journal may provide some insights, if any errors are printed to there.
2024-08-29 19:48:07	chikuwasuka	mpan: you mean like htop's "S" column? when i just checked ps aux, there were too many processes to look through.
2024-08-29 19:48:21	mpan	chikuwasuka: tree view (F5) should show what processes are below your session.
2024-08-29 19:48:30	chikuwasuka	ah yeah, got it.
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2024-08-29 19:53:58	vk8a8	Cant enable timidity with $ systemctl enable timidity.service , it just returns with "Failed to enable unit: Unit timidity.service does not exist". I can't find any solution for this online?
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2024-08-29 19:54:27	Namarrgon	Is it a system- or user-unit?
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2024-08-29 19:54:59	vk8a8	im not sure... the wiki just says to enable it?
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2024-08-29 19:55:15	Namarrgon	pacman -Ql <pkg> |grep systemd
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2024-08-29 19:55:43	vk8a8	timidity++ /usr/lib/systemd/
2024-08-29 19:55:45	vk8a8	timidity++ /usr/lib/systemd/user/
2024-08-29 19:55:47	vk8a8	timidity++ /usr/lib/systemd/user/timidity.service
2024-08-29 19:56:12	gromit	vk8a8: yeah you need to pass the --user flag in this case :) 
2024-08-29 19:56:56	vk8a8	ohh... now it says "Failed to connect to bus: No medium found"
2024-08-29 19:57:19	Namarrgon	Don't run systemctl as root.
2024-08-29 19:57:45	Namarrgon	The user session is running in the context of your user account.
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2024-08-29 19:58:09	vk8a8	oops! thank you. i didnt know about this
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2024-08-29 20:22:33	japhir	hey I have a general question: I'm running a complex Bayesian simulation from my laptop, and it runs fine if I run it for a 1000 samples. But now that I've tried to run it in parallel on 4 cores, each with 1000 samples it takes extremely long. If I'm interpreting htop output correctly, it's because the memory required to hold the current state is larger than my RAM, so it is swapping heavily. 
2024-08-29 20:23:13	japhir	Now I don't know if it will finish at all, or if there is a way to dump results to disk somehow so that the afternoon of computation wasn't all for naught
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2024-08-29 20:25:26	japhir	(details for those interested: I'm running a Turing.jl model in Julia)
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2024-08-29 20:26:12	Namarrgon	You can STOP some of them so that they can remain swapped out while the others are running, hopefully, completely in ram.
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2024-08-29 20:29:28	chikuwasuka	my shutdown issues don't happen every time, so i still don't know the problem, but i'm guessing i wrote my .bash_profile incorrectly.
2024-08-29 20:29:40	chikuwasuka	bash did update just now so... maybe fixed? lol
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2024-08-29 20:33:02	japhir	Namarrgon: so throw away one chain in the hopes that the three others will be able to finish in RAM? Not sure if Julia can handle one of the subprocesses failing
2024-08-29 20:33:21	Namarrgon	Don't kill them, only pause them.
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2024-08-29 20:35:10	japhir	whoops, too late, sent it a sigterm and the whole process is gone now o.O That's defnitely on me. For future reference, how would you stop it?
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2024-08-29 20:36:30	japhir	I should also figure out how to make it write interim results to disk, because this is a stupid hassle...
2024-08-29 20:36:32	Namarrgon	Send the process  SIGSTOP instead
2024-08-29 20:37:44	japhir	OK I'll try it next time I run into the issue. For now I think this was a good diagnosis because it was pretty fast on one core/few samples so it should have been waay faster
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2024-08-29 20:38:24	japhir	So in the future I could try running longer chains or on fewer cores or... get some high performance compute ;-)
2024-08-29 20:39:07	Namarrgon	and download more ram
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2024-08-29 20:40:34	japhir	;-)
2024-08-29 20:40:49	japhir	Thanks for the suggestions!
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2024-08-29 20:41:08	madprops	how do i remove all packages that start with a string
2024-08-29 20:41:13	madprops	like pacman -R something-*
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2024-08-29 20:41:55	Edu4rdSHL	madprops, there's no direct pacman option for that 
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2024-08-29 20:42:31	Edu4rdSHL	Maybe `pacman -Qq |grep ^something- | pacman -Rns -`
2024-08-29 20:42:49	Edu4rdSHL	Maybe `pacman -Qq |grep ^something- | pacman -R -` *
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2024-08-29 20:47:00	chikuwasuka	well, let's see if trapping the login shell with EXIT causes fewer problems than waiting on SIGHUP.
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2024-08-29 21:08:06	gpiccoli	Folks, does Arch have linux kernel debug symbols? 
2024-08-29 21:08:12	gpiccoli	I couldn't find using debuginfod
2024-08-29 21:08:25	gpiccoli	tried this: "debuginfod-find -v debuginfo /usr/lib/modules/6.10.6-arch1-1/vmlinuz"
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2024-08-29 21:10:05	gromit	gpiccoli: I don't think so, why are you asking? https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/linux/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads#L29
2024-08-29 21:10:06	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / linux · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-08-29 21:11:07	gpiccoli	\o gromit, in order to help an Arch user using kdumpst, to debug the kernel vmcore
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2024-08-29 21:12:55	gpiccoli	tnx for pointing that entry in the package BTW, the !debug thing
2024-08-29 21:13:33	ElGatoPanzon	I've plugged in my audio to the 3.5m jack, however I can hear some intermitent crackles and pops. I tested with the "speaker-test" command and can also hear it popping there with the noise sound it outputs. What can I do to fix it? I believe I'm using pipewire and pipewire-pulse
2024-08-29 21:13:56	gromit	gpiccoli: aha, there is an outstanding request for the package to include this: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/linux/-/merge_requests/3
2024-08-29 21:13:57	phrik	Title: Make creating real debug packages for Linux kernel (!3) · Merge requests · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / linux · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-08-29 21:14:47	gpiccoli	wow, cool gromit
2024-08-29 21:15:29	gpiccoli	so soon (hopefully) it'll build with debug info! Awesome
2024-08-29 21:15:32	gpiccoli	+1 on that MR heh
2024-08-29 21:16:34	gromit	gpiccoli: yeah also the maintainer also opted to include this after the next pacman update
2024-08-29 21:16:42	gromit	gpiccoli: the upgrade is already in progress https://archlinux.org/todo/pacman-700-rebuild/
2024-08-29 21:16:43	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Todo: pacman 7.0.0 rebuild (at archlinux.org)
2024-08-29 21:17:00	gpiccoli	really good news gromit , much appreciated!
2024-08-29 21:17:19	gpiccoli	For now, I'll suggest to the user debug using the dmesg or install a kernel with debug info (maybe building himself)
2024-08-29 21:17:32	gpiccoli	it's easy in general =]
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2024-08-29 21:22:40	astralc	how many aur helpers will break from pacman version upgrade?
2024-08-29 21:23:09	gpiccoli	!paste
2024-08-29 21:23:09	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-08-29 21:30:30	gromit	astralc: what do you mean? 
2024-08-29 21:31:07	astralc	libalpm upgrade will break some helpers... 
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2024-08-29 21:35:51	gromit	astralc: well yes
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2024-08-29 21:40:03	gromit	I guess most will just need a rebuild tho
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2024-08-30 13:38:04	rubin55	jelle: not directly I think, it's gsd-upower -> libupower-glib:
2024-08-30 13:38:06	rubin55	gsd-power[2102]: segfault at 8 ip 00007000d6baa3b2 sp 00007ffc02b40a70 error 4 in libupower-glib.so.3.1.0[e3b2,7000d6ba4000+f000] likely on CPU 0 (core 0, socket 0)
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2024-08-30 13:38:42	jelle	that sounds like gnome settings
2024-08-30 13:38:57	jelle	but a new upower should not break on that
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2024-08-30 13:39:25	jelle	rubin55: if you can get a debug backtrace that would be great
2024-08-30 13:39:59	rubin55	jelle: it happened after the upgrade of upower I think yesterday
2024-08-30 13:40:19	jelle	technically the upower ABI changed
2024-08-30 13:40:25	rubin55	Today gnome is limping along
2024-08-30 13:40:55	rubin55	How can I create a backtrace? Let me see if coredumpctl has something
2024-08-30 13:42:14	rubin55	I have two coredumps; are those helpful?
2024-08-30 13:42:28	jelle	yup, if you get debug symbols when opening them
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2024-08-30 13:45:35	rubin55	jelle: https://pastebin.com/w1y7UvQ3
2024-08-30 13:45:36	EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/Xvjv.txt
2024-08-30 13:45:37	phrik	Title: $ coredumpctl dump gsd-power > core PID: 4606 (gsd-power) - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2024-08-30 13:51:55	jelle	I wonder if you are alone here
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2024-08-30 14:08:17	rubin55	jelle: colleague with same arch install has same issue fwiw
2024-08-30 14:08:36	jelle	rubin55: right, it might depend on the laptop
2024-08-30 14:08:45	rubin55	framework 13
2024-08-30 14:08:50	rubin55	(intel)
2024-08-30 14:08:57	rubin55	(raptor-lake)
2024-08-30 15:22:45	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-30 15:29:46	mtry	I couldve sworn there was more than 1 package for obsidian in the package db. Am i hallucinating?
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2024-08-30 15:30:13	mtry	Im pretty sure there was obsidian-bin, obsidian-bin-git, obsidian-cli and obsidian-cli-git
2024-08-30 15:30:31	Namarrgon	The AUR is not a package repo.
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2024-08-30 15:31:05	mtry	Namarrgon: ?
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2024-08-30 15:31:22	Namarrgon	You won't find a -git package in the official repos.
2024-08-30 15:31:29	Namarrgon	nor a -bin package
2024-08-30 15:31:43	mpan	mtry: there are PKGBUILDs named like that in AUR.
2024-08-30 15:31:49	Namarrgon	You seem to be mixing up arch's binary repos with the AUR:
2024-08-30 15:31:52	mpan	But not in pacman repos.
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2024-08-30 15:32:10	mtry	thats a puzzle
2024-08-30 15:32:12	Namarrgon	The dangers of aur-helper abuse...
2024-08-30 15:32:18	Namarrgon	or misuse
2024-08-30 15:32:20	mtry	whats aur helper
2024-08-30 15:32:28	mpan	How do you build your AUR packages?
2024-08-30 15:32:37	mtry	with makepkg?
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2024-08-30 15:32:52	mtry	i thought that was the only way
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2024-08-30 15:33:29	Namarrgon	But you don't see the difference between doing that and a "pacman -S $pkg"?
2024-08-30 15:33:31	mpan	No, but it’s the recommended way (at least until one does what one is doing). And your confusion seemed so far typical for many people, who don’t follow this advice. Hence suspicion you use an AUR helper.
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2024-08-30 15:34:12	mpan	So, to be clear, as Namarrgon said no such packages could be in official pacman repos. There are, and were, PKGBUILDs named like that iN AUR.
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2024-08-30 15:34:47	mtry	what i was confused about was that i just looked it up (exact query: "arch linux obsidian cli") and my search engine of choice did not find the aur entries 
2024-08-30 15:34:58	mtry	but i did remember seeing it before
2024-08-30 15:35:13	mtry	so i figured it mightve been cut from the package db
2024-08-30 15:35:33	mpan	Perhasp the search engine seen it in AUR earlier. Keep in mind that search engine results are not constant and highly dependent on what the algorithm decides you should see, based on what it knows about you.
2024-08-30 15:35:33	mtry	but now i found it
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2024-08-30 15:37:00	mtry	oh well
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2024-08-30 15:38:09	mtry	i just repeatedly typed in tmux into dmenu, getting increasingly confused and upset that it did not launch what i expected (xterm)
2024-08-30 15:38:27	mpan	:D
2024-08-30 15:38:32	mtry	the consequences of 0 hours sleep and 4 cups of coffee
2024-08-30 15:38:36	mtry	:D
2024-08-30 15:38:47	mpan	mtry: if you use DuckDuckGo as your search engine, note that it has !aur bang for searching in AUR quickly.
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2024-08-30 15:39:04	mtry	mpan: wait really?? i didnt know that, thats awesome
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2024-08-30 15:39:50	mpan	And !apck or !pkg for packages.
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2024-08-30 15:41:11	mtry	do you ever find yourself frustrated by the fact that youre very proud of your (mostly) neatly managed linux setup but you are unable to show it off because so few people would understand why and how it is impressive
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2024-08-30 15:42:15	mpan	I’m not really proud of setting it up, except for one (no longer existing) setup I did while in hospital. I don’t find Arch to be challanging to install in general.
2024-08-30 15:42:35	auditor3d	its really not anymore. especially with the installer
2024-08-30 15:43:03	mpan	However, the same kind of lack of understanding is what I get in another scenario: making people understand, why I want to keep it as I wish it to be.
2024-08-30 15:43:19	Warepire	I am just really happy that I have a setup that works well for me. I don't care a whole lot what others think of my install in terms of neatness or config.
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2024-08-30 15:44:05	mtry	mpan: to be fair i think it is reasonably easy to set up an arch install,, at least for somewhat technically literate people, but rather i mean th extent to which you have customized it beyond the basic installation
2024-08-30 15:44:34	mtry	my setup is a mess
2024-08-30 15:45:26	mtry	there is probably a 3 digit number amount of orphaned configuration files and packages on my system, but regardless im happy with it
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2024-08-30 15:48:58	⚡ 	mpan adds things to mtry’s TODO list.
2024-08-30 15:49:10	⚡ 	mpan shames mtry for having orphaned configuration files.
2024-08-30 15:49:13	mpan	;)
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2024-08-30 16:07:42	mtry	mpan: i was just gone to get yet another big mug of coffee
2024-08-30 16:08:12	mpan	A suitable fuel for fixing orphaned configs! ;)
2024-08-30 16:09:26	mtry	lets see whats in my .config
2024-08-30 16:09:50	mpan	Oh, I thought system-wide configs.
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2024-08-30 16:10:40	mtry	epiphany, nautilus, gnome-session, ...stardew valley ??, unity3d, rclone
2024-08-30 16:10:50	mtry	"yelp" ??
2024-08-30 16:10:59	mtry	most puzzling
2024-08-30 16:11:55	mtry	oh
2024-08-30 16:11:59	mtry	thats probably because of gnome
2024-08-30 16:12:19	mtry	former gnome user btw
2024-08-30 16:12:30	Ingar	good riddance
2024-08-30 16:12:41	mtry	it looks nice but thats about it
2024-08-30 16:12:49	mtry	no configurability 
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2024-08-30 16:13:16	mtry	im on i3wm now
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2024-08-30 16:16:46	astralc	mpan: is there good way to find orphaned configuration files? not all configuration is from packages
2024-08-30 16:17:22	mpan	astralc: system-wide: just finding unowned files.
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2024-08-30 16:20:11	Murray7501	pavucontrol does a : Segmentation fault (core dumped) if I try to adjust system volume
2024-08-30 16:21:44	astralc	check journalctl to see if there is error/stack trace
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2024-08-30 16:25:14	Murray7501	astralc: there is a red movie of a stack trace for it
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2024-08-30 16:25:55	astralc	share the it & last few lines before it in paste service
2024-08-30 16:26:01	astralc	!give Murray7501 paste
2024-08-30 16:26:02	phrik	Murray7501: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-08-30 16:26:25	astralc	do you use pulseaudio or pipewire?
2024-08-30 16:26:39	Murray7501	astralc: pipewire
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2024-08-30 16:33:06	Murray7501	astralc: https://bpa.st/GBYQ
2024-08-30 16:33:10	phrik	Title: View paste GBYQ (at bpa.st)
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2024-08-30 16:37:45	astralc	pacman -Q gtkmm-4.0 glibmm-2.68 pavucontrol
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2024-08-30 16:39:17	Murray7501	astralc: gtkmm-4.0 4.14.0-1 glibmm-2.68 2.80.1-1 pavucontrol 1:6.1-1
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2024-08-30 16:40:26	ℹ 	novns is now known as wrong
2024-08-30 16:41:29	Murray7501	astralc: also its just when I click the volume bar of 'system sounds'
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2024-08-30 16:45:22	codebecile	Hey! I'm interested in hosting my own tier-two mirror- I've completed all the config for http/rsync and set up a sync chron and everything- is there anything I need to know? What would you all say is the best way to test it?
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2024-08-30 16:46:20	Murray7501	O_o
2024-08-30 16:47:52	mpan	codebecile: hello. You just need to follow <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:NewMirrors#Create_a_feature-request>.
2024-08-30 16:47:53	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:NewMirrors - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-08-30 16:48:08	mpan	If there are any doubts, people there will guide you.
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2024-08-30 16:48:51	codebecile	You don't think I need to test it prior? Well, I have sorta tested it- I've set it as my primary mirror on my home machines and it functions- but you don't think it needs any heavier stress-testing?
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2024-08-30 16:51:58	mpan	codebecile: except the space needed, what else could be tested?
2024-08-30 16:52:22	mpan	Bandwidth available and the number of connections you can handle will be naturally limited.
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2024-08-30 16:52:55	codebecile	I suppose that's all fair. Alright. 
2024-08-30 16:53:04	astralc	Murray7501: I don't find any similar crash in google search. is there anything suspicious in journalctl other than the stack trace?
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2024-08-30 16:53:49	astralc	also, the "tech support question" - did you tried to update and restart the computer?
2024-08-30 16:53:59	astralc	* did you try
2024-08-30 16:54:39	Murray7501	astralc: oh yeah first thing I did was pacman -Syu and reboot
2024-08-30 16:54:52	mtry	why is pastebin banned?
2024-08-30 16:54:59	mtry	just curious
2024-08-30 16:55:05	astralc	!pastebin
2024-08-30 16:55:05	phrik	Pastebin.com is swamped with advertisements, random captchas, mangles the input and is blocked for some users. Please, use something sane like https://gist.github.com https://bpaste.net https://0x0.st and see !0x0 for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-08-30 16:55:14	mtry	ohhh
2024-08-30 16:55:15	mtry	i see
2024-08-30 16:55:22	simark	!0x0
2024-08-30 16:55:23	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
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2024-08-30 17:05:11	Murray7501	astralc: I guess I will just live with it and not touch that volume control 
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2024-08-30 17:06:05	astralc	is "pactl set-sink-volume 0 50%" (or any other amount) change the volume?
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2024-08-30 17:06:16	mtry	Murray7501: try reinstalling the package? idk
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2024-08-30 17:06:33	astralc	try pulseaudio-qt
2024-08-30 17:06:58	astralc	*pavucontrol-qt
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2024-08-30 17:07:40	Murray7501	astralc: ok :D
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2024-08-30 17:11:59	Murray7501	astralc: heh that is interesting pavucontrol-qt doesnt show 'system sounds' at all X)
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2024-08-30 17:12:33	Murray7501	astralc: maybe there is a config I can delete for the gtk version ?
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2024-08-30 17:13:00	Murray7501	astralc: anyway thanks :)
2024-08-30 17:14:33	astralc	I see systems sound in both version (on plasma, with pipewire)
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2024-08-30 17:15:17	astralc	~/.config/pavucontrol.ini is the config file for the gtk UI
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2024-08-30 17:16:49	Murray7501	astralc: I just use fluxbox, I have an adi-2 dac if that matters
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2024-08-30 17:17:32	astralc	is other bars config work without crash? device volume/app volume?
2024-08-30 17:17:42	Murray7501	astralc: yes
2024-08-30 17:18:34	Murray7501	well I deleted the config but the gtk still segfaults if I try to adjust the system sounds volume
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2024-08-30 18:42:38	mtry	unfortunately i have no time to resolve this now
2024-08-30 18:42:58	mtry	will be back some other time
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2024-08-30 20:09:32	lmat	Earnestly: Thanks for the xdotool tip!
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2024-08-30 20:12:00	gehidore	xdotool is cheating!
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2024-08-30 20:17:49	lmat	gehidore: Yes, it is.
2024-08-30 20:17:57	gehidore	:)
2024-08-30 20:18:22	lmat	gehidore: I have a lot of status updates that I need to post for work. It's way easier if I write a script that reads from my timesheets then posts everything I did yesterday to all the different slack channels using xdotool
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2024-08-30 20:18:59	gehidore	OHHHHHHHHhhhHH that really is cheating^Wscripting for efficiency
2024-08-30 20:19:03	gehidore	I like it
2024-08-30 20:19:21	lmat	gehidore: But I cheat way worse than that... I have reverse-engineered the Slack API protocol (without using a slack-approved "app" which would require administrator permissions for our slack installation which I don't have) to read through all the slack messages and "react" appropriately so my boss doesn't send me private messages, "Did you see xx message!?"
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2024-08-30 20:20:35	lmat	gehidore: It's working so far. I haven't received any superfluous messages from him since I started this. I don't think anyone has gotten suspicious that I react any time, night or day, and sometimes don't respond even to obvious questions for several hours.
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2024-08-30 20:21:18	gehidore	heh
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2024-08-30 20:21:22	gehidore	living on the edge
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2024-08-30 20:21:30	lmat	YOu know it
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2024-08-30 20:24:00	hunter2k	hey, I have a question that's been bothering me for years now. Is there any way to choose all the defaults and only confirm the whole plan at the end in pacman? --noconfirm is a little bit too much, and everything else is not really enough (when I have to rerun the command couple of times it gets really tiring fast)
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2024-08-30 20:31:40	lairnc	why does this happen when upgrading the system:  Replace ruby-abbrev with extra/ruby? [Y/n] y
2024-08-30 20:32:00	lairnc	i mean, why does it ask you that, what has changed?
2024-08-30 20:32:25	lairnc	also, how do i know if i should replace or not?
2024-08-30 20:33:29	Edu4rdSHL	lairnc, that was announced in the mailing list a long time ago
2024-08-30 20:34:10	Edu4rdSHL	hunter2k, I don't get your question. --noconfirm just does that: choose all the defaults
2024-08-30 20:34:36	gehidore	Edu4rdSHL i think they want to see all the changes at the end and enter one y/N prompt
2024-08-30 20:34:56	gehidore	which defeats the purpose imho
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2024-08-30 20:35:03	Edu4rdSHL	Right
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2024-08-30 20:35:43	gehidore	suppose one could write a pre hook
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2024-08-30 20:35:56	Edu4rdSHL	I don't see how tho
2024-08-30 20:35:57	gehidore	and use --no-confirm
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2024-08-30 20:36:24	gehidore	it'd be an ugly mess and again defeat the whole purpose of the prompts to begin with
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2024-08-30 20:39:24	lairnc	Edu4rdSHL, how should i procede?
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2024-08-30 20:39:34	Edu4rdSHL	Confirming them
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2024-08-30 20:41:09	Edu4rdSHL	https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/arch-dev-public@lists.archlinux.org/thread/QOVJDWPRQQ6S4X6ZXAC2WJC7WZJKALFP/
2024-08-30 20:41:10	phrik	Title: Ruby 3.2.4 - Arch-dev-public - lists.archlinux.org (at lists.archlinux.org)
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2024-08-30 20:42:05	lairnc	ty! Edu4rdSHL 
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2024-08-30 20:57:48	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-30 20:54:21	hunter2k	gehidore: what are prehooks? I've only seen so far the post-install hooks, like rebuilding initrd
2024-08-30 20:55:51	chikuwasuka	an example would be informant, which checks the arch homepage for news before updating anything
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2024-08-30 21:08:07	teraflops	for the rog zephyrus g14 2024 model and the microsdcard reader not doing anything, creating /etc/modprobe.d/rtsx_pci.conf with https://paste.priet.us/kn4a/ fixes the issue
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2024-08-30 21:13:21	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-30 21:13:32	ian|	could someone share their /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/shadow.conf contents? i think mine is corrupted: it is "z /usr/bin/groupmems 2750 root groups - -" and i'm getting errors
2024-08-30 21:13:21	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-08-30 21:13:32	ian|	it doesn't help that i accidentally deleted /etc/group{,-} so i have to repair my installation
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2024-08-30 21:14:32	BrainDamage	https://0x0.st/Xvp7.conf
2024-08-30 21:14:48	gehidore	oh they left
2024-08-30 21:14:51	gehidore	was going to link https://man.archlinux.org/man/alpm-hooks.5
2024-08-30 21:14:52	phrik	Title: alpm-hooks(5) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2024-08-30 21:15:03	ian|	thanks BrainDamage, so my file is fine
2024-08-30 21:15:06	BrainDamage	pacman -S package should be able to repair the files that aren't the /etc
2024-08-30 21:15:29	gehidore	should be able to check the integrity of it as well with pacman
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2024-08-30 21:15:57	ian|	/etc/groups is a dynamic file, but i can -S filesystem to see if anything is missing
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2024-08-30 21:16:59	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-30 21:17:18	ian|	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/filesystem/-/blob/main/group?ref_type=heads
2024-08-30 21:17:19	phrik	Title: group · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / filesystem · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-08-30 21:17:00	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-30 21:24:58	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-30 22:06:30	randomusr	running into a small problem. I've got an install that I haven't updated in a bit. The download is about 1.3 gb. The speed seems to slow to around a few KiB/s and chokes on a random package, with Operation too slow. any suggestions to work around this?
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2024-08-30 22:08:18	rcf	randomusr: update mirror list 
2024-08-30 22:08:30	randomusr	roger
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2024-08-30 22:10:51	lmat	I have three systemd services that I want to run on a timer. I would like the services to run one after another after the timer expires. If one of them fails, I would still like them to run one after another. I have configured the timer to start one of them, and the others are configured to be After= the first and the second respectively. Does this work?
2024-08-30 22:10:58	lmat	Specifically, I'm concerned that if one of them fails, the next one might not start?
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2024-08-30 22:11:27	randomusr	Also, curious; does pacman use curl to download packages?
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2024-08-30 22:16:57	rubin55	jelle: downgrading to upower 1.90.4 resolved the segfault in gsd-power
2024-08-30 22:17:22	rubin55	jelle: created issue with coredump uploaded here: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/upower/-/issues/1
2024-08-30 22:17:24	phrik	Title: Upower 1.90.5 causes segfault in gsd-power (#1) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / upower · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-08-30 22:19:35	monkfish	randomusr: libcurl, as opposed to curl(1).
2024-08-30 22:19:57	randomusr	thanks
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2024-08-30 22:21:41	Warepire	rubin55: I don't remember exactly, but I do not think systemd has implemented debuginfod integration yet https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/14711 You might need to exact the coredump and run gdb on it manually to get a backtrace with symbols
2024-08-30 22:21:42	phrik	Title: coredumpd: improve backtraces by downloading debuginfo on the fly via elfutils/debuginfod · Issue #14711 · systemd/systemd · GitHub (at github.com)
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2024-08-30 22:55:06	boombatz	I want to download a package without installing using pacman -Sw packetname but how do I select the download location of my chosing?
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2024-08-30 22:55:43	boombatz	*choosing
2024-08-30 22:57:09	boombatz	say for example that I want the package to be downloaded to ~/Desktop
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2024-08-30 22:59:10	teraflops	boombatz: e.g sudo pacman -Sw tree --cachedir .
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2024-08-30 23:00:17	boombatz	I don't understand
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2024-08-30 23:01:44	teraflops	what is not clear?
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2024-08-30 23:02:19	boombatz	my guess is that you mean sudo pacman -Sw packetname --cachedir ~/Desktop
2024-08-30 23:02:34	teraflops	. is actual dir use whatever
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2024-08-30 23:10:00	boombatz	that --cachedir option isn't properly explained in the wiki imo
2024-08-30 23:10:05	boombatz	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman
2024-08-30 23:10:07	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-08-30 23:10:25	boombatz	that's why I asked here
2024-08-30 23:10:34	boombatz	thanks for helping me
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2024-08-30 23:12:19	teraflops	np
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2024-08-31 12:01:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-31 12:01:46	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-31 12:03:33	siak	KWalletManager package sets DBusActivatable but it is not DBus activatable. Can it be a bug in the bundle?
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2024-08-31 12:08:22	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-31 12:08:23	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-08-31 12:08:34	siak	I say this bucause I could not find an entry for kwalletmanager in QDbus>Viewer
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2024-08-31 12:24:49	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-31 12:11:29	siak	And I get The name is not activatble when I click on the icon of course
2024-08-31 12:24:50	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-31 13:10:25	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-31 12:55:27	pulec	archiso boot issues, sha256sum is fine, secure boot is off, using ventoy and other isos boot fine (fedora 39, parted magic, etc) https://0x0.st/Xvvs.png, doesn't see the 2024-08-01.. device and
2024-08-31 12:58:56	vedranm	pulec: missing kernel module for storage device?
2024-08-31 12:59:35	astralc	ventoy is updated?
2024-08-31 12:59:59	pulec	how would I fix kernel module?
2024-08-31 13:00:05	pulec	astralc: good point
2024-08-31 13:02:54	pulec	Update Ventoy  1.0.72 ===> 1.0.88 
2024-08-31 13:02:56	pulec	let's see
2024-08-31 13:03:35	vedranm	pulec: yes, that's probably the issue
2024-08-31 13:07:08	AmR	I looking for itunes equivalentfor Linux any body can help me ?
2024-08-31 13:07:35	pulec	is it? vedranm how would I even 'add kernel module for storage device'? make my own archiso
2024-08-31 13:07:43	pulec	astralc: was right, updated ventoy, booted in grub2 mode and it's fine
2024-08-31 13:08:58	AmR	I'm looking for itunes equivalent in Linux any body can help me ?
2024-08-31 13:09:40	pulec	AmR: https://alternativeto.net/software/itunes/?platform=linux check this
2024-08-31 13:10:09	pulec	and compare with https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications/Multimedia#Audio_players to see what is in repos or in aur
2024-08-31 13:10:10	phrik	Title: List of applications/Multimedia - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-08-31 13:10:26	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-08-31 13:11:33	teraflops	AmR: which functionality are you looking for? only music music player for google music?
2024-08-31 13:12:07	teraflops	google/apple
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2024-08-31 13:13:07	teraflops	cider is what you are looking for apple music
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2024-08-31 13:23:55	m_ben	I'm trying to transfer data between an iphone and my computer. the arch wiki says I need to run "ifuse mountpoint", but what is mountpoint? "idevicepair validate" says that it successfully validated with the device
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2024-08-31 13:27:49	teraflops	m_ben: use something like shellfish (sftp) it will save you for a lot of headaches 
2024-08-31 13:28:27	Edu4rdSHL	m_ben, localsend is very good 
2024-08-31 13:28:46	Edu4rdSHL	https://localsend.org/
2024-08-31 13:28:47	phrik	Title: LocalSend: Share files to nearby devices (at localsend.org)
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2024-08-31 13:29:17	m_ben	there's no way to mount the iphone like an external disk?
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2024-08-31 13:32:24	teraflops	m_ben: ifuse works for me
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2024-08-31 13:32:37	teraflops	what errors are you facing?
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2024-08-31 13:33:27	teraflops	mkdir ~/iphone && ifuse ~/iphone thats's all
2024-08-31 13:34:52	m_ben	teraflops: thanks that worked. I didn't know I could specify _any_ directory. I thought there was a specific mointpoint I needed to specify
2024-08-31 13:35:07	teraflops	np glad you got it working
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2024-08-31 13:37:28	teraflops	if you use tailscale you can share files airdrop-like with any tailscaled devices
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2024-08-31 13:37:35	teraflops	including inux
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2024-08-31 13:47:11	teraflops	inux lol sorry linux
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2024-08-31 15:01:56	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-31 14:43:15	Antiz	(On the host that is. It improves the security of the containers themselves though)
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2024-08-31 15:13:34	Furai	Ok, thanks!
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2024-08-31 15:17:58	Freneticks	Edu4rdSHL: "Before SATA 3.1 all TRIM commands were non-queued, so continuous trimming would produce frequent system freezes" It's weird to put it by default if not supported by recent hardware
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2024-08-31 15:18:24	Freneticks	arch don't want to go on x86-v2 but let's go on sata3.1
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2024-08-31 15:20:03	Freneticks	avx2 is very old but not sata3.1
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2024-08-31 15:23:31	Edu4rdSHL	Freneticks, recent hardware supports it
2024-08-31 15:24:23	Edu4rdSHL	SATA 3.1 is from 13 years ago :)
2024-08-31 15:24:35	Edu4rdSHL	So, "before SATA 3.1"...
2024-08-31 15:25:36	jelle	Freneticks: going v2 offers nothing
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2024-08-31 15:30:30	astralc	avx2 is -v3, not -v2
2024-08-31 15:31:01	jelle	well they said x86-v2 :)
2024-08-31 15:31:52	Freneticks	Don't be stupid please
2024-08-31 15:32:32	Freneticks	I have ryzen 3 and hdparm say : "Transport SATA Rev 3.0"
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2024-08-31 15:33:22	Freneticks	I know in my langage most people have gen3 ~ gen 6 intel
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2024-08-31 15:34:12	astralc	where it say that?
2024-08-31 15:34:43	Freneticks	astralc: ❯ sudo hdparm -I /dev/sdd | grep Transport    
2024-08-31 15:35:17	Freneticks	it seems coherent because if I activate discard=async it got seem big random freeze
2024-08-31 15:35:37	Freneticks	I have some big freeze*
2024-08-31 15:35:41	astralc	is the drive support it?
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2024-08-31 15:37:14	Freneticks	not sure but it's 2 crucial ssd bought from 1 years ago
2024-08-31 15:38:04	Scimmia	Freneticks: I turn that 'don't be stupid' back on you. https://sata-io.org/sites/default/files/documents/SATA-IORevision31_PRfinal.pdf
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2024-08-31 15:40:22	Scimmia	if you have hardware that isn't compliant with a spec updated 13 years ago, sucks to be you, but don't call others stupid for it
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2024-08-31 15:42:07	Freneticks	So why arch don't support avx2 ? I don't understand your position, it seems your brain got melted
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2024-08-31 15:42:37	Scimmia	since they're completely unreleated, who cares?
2024-08-31 15:42:47	Freneticks	it's 13 years ago technology
2024-08-31 15:43:05	Freneticks	jesus christ man ...
2024-08-31 15:43:11	Scimmia	so what?
2024-08-31 15:43:28	Freneticks	I cannot help you more
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2024-08-31 15:43:42	Scimmia	you cannot help anyone, ever
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2024-08-31 15:44:20	teraflops	sudo smartctl -x /dev/sdd | grep SATA
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2024-08-31 15:44:56	jelle	Freneticks: plenty of cpus still being made with avx2
2024-08-31 15:45:14	jelle	famously nucs
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2024-08-31 15:46:04	Freneticks	jelle: yeah but arch choice is support old hardware at least for now
2024-08-31 15:46:26	jelle	Freneticks: you are doing all kinds of assumptions here
2024-08-31 15:46:57	jelle	combined with your attitude, it ain't helping
2024-08-31 15:47:51	jelle	Freneticks: you are kinda assuming Arch intentionally breaks your machine by an upstream change
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2024-08-31 15:49:20	Freneticks	by "an *incoherente* upstream change" yeah
2024-08-31 15:49:30	Tblue	what's the context here btw? what is it that is only supporting sata v3.1?
2024-08-31 15:49:44	jelle	Freneticks: why incoherent?
2024-08-31 15:49:52	noobaroo	Freneticks wait, what do you mean by arch not supporting avx2?
2024-08-31 15:50:12	Freneticks	I'm just forwarding the information, maybe I'm wrong, I try to understand.
2024-08-31 15:51:09	Tblue	when i check /proc/cpuinfo, it does say it supports avx2
2024-08-31 15:51:29	Freneticks	No I mean package is not build with the avx2 flag
2024-08-31 15:51:45	Tblue	ah
2024-08-31 15:52:19	jelle	which usually isn't a problem as programs detect this on the fly
2024-08-31 15:52:47	Freneticks	programs ?
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2024-08-31 15:53:11	Freneticks	if you build without the correct flag it will not be used except some very specific things like blender
2024-08-31 15:54:12	jelle	the impact is really not that big
2024-08-31 15:54:16	Freneticks	but who care, i was just speaking about the default "options"
2024-08-31 15:54:24	jelle	look up fedora' evaluation of x86_64-v2
2024-08-31 15:54:58	Freneticks	default "options" vs required hardware
2024-08-31 15:55:05	teraflops	unless there are different things the output of sudo smartctl -x /dev/sdd | grep SATA differs from the output of sudo hdparm -I /dev/sdd | grep Transport
2024-08-31 15:55:11	teraflops	they^
2024-08-31 15:55:30	teraflops	one says 3.0 the other ones says 3.3 here
2024-08-31 15:56:21	Freneticks	teraflops: good find same for me, but I have freeze with discard so
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2024-08-31 15:56:52	teraflops	i do not use btrfs no that machine tho so I cannot corroborate
2024-08-31 15:57:04	teraflops	no/on
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2024-08-31 15:58:15	Freneticks	will try a memtest maybe bad ram
2024-08-31 15:59:20	Freneticks	Tblue: continuous trim https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Solid_state_drive#Continuous_TRIM
2024-08-31 15:59:22	phrik	Title: Solid state drive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-08-31 15:59:58	Tblue	Freneticks: I see. I mean, some drives are iffy and cause problems with continuous trim.
2024-08-31 16:00:14	Freneticks	and btw the default fstrim.service doesn't trim my btrfs by default so there is definitly a "default" problem
2024-08-31 16:00:18	Tblue	Freneticks: Maybe try a regular fstrim every week or so?
2024-08-31 16:00:39	Tblue	Freneticks: Does btrfs support TRIM?
2024-08-31 16:00:58	Freneticks	it is, but the fstrim.service bypass them, i should enforce it
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2024-08-31 16:01:04	Tblue	Google says it does
2024-08-31 16:01:07	Freneticks	(i don't know why)
2024-08-31 16:01:09	Tblue	Weird.
2024-08-31 16:01:26	Tblue	If you run it manually, does it trim the btrfs?
2024-08-31 16:01:30	Freneticks	yes
2024-08-31 16:01:37	Tblue	Eh
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2024-08-31 16:01:42	Freneticks	><'
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2024-08-31 16:02:17	Freneticks	maybe just edit the service and add a custom execstart= hacky shit :D
2024-08-31 16:03:31	Tblue	And you used the exact cmd as in the unit file?
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2024-08-31 16:04:46	Freneticks	no without the --listed-in /etc/fstab, I enforce on the disk
2024-08-31 16:04:49	Tblue	i.e.: /usr/bin/fstrim --listed-in /etc/fstab:/proc/self/mountinfo --verbose
2024-08-31 16:05:00	Tblue	wwell, maybe that's the issue?
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2024-08-31 16:05:12	Tblue	maybe it's not in /etc/fstab or mountinfo?
2024-08-31 16:05:15	Tblue	for some reason
2024-08-31 16:05:16	Freneticks	it is
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2024-08-31 16:05:27	Tblue	then I'm all out of ideas
2024-08-31 16:05:29	Freneticks	i will look depeer
2024-08-31 16:06:06	Tblue	but yeah, just adding another explicit fstrim should work, even if it's a bit of a hack
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2024-08-31 16:34:18	Ena0	Hey I'm on KDE and I have wayland + X sinstalled since that's the basic install I got. Thing X11 works great but on wayland I get a balck screen and a blinking bar after typing in my login pass. Any ideas how to fix that?
2024-08-31 16:34:47	Ena0	Ot used to work like 4 months ago? Now I had to switch to X11 since I can't actually log in.
2024-08-31 16:36:29	Ena0	Whenever I press control alt f2 for example after this black screen I'm logged in but after some time it just kicks me out
2024-08-31 16:36:36	Ena0	This is only happening on wayland
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2024-08-31 16:41:10	astralc	1. try starting from tty 2. check if KMS configured correctly (esp. if you changed something related to mkinitcpio)
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2024-08-31 16:45:52	Scimmia	Ena0: what does the journal say?
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2024-08-31 17:02:06	Ena0	Scimmia: Right good idea I'll check that but for that I need to log out and log back in. Brb :)
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2024-08-31 17:14:17	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-08-31 17:14:19	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-08-31 17:18:39	Ena0	Scimmia: All right got some logs by tty login and then journalctl -f > logs then going back to sddm and logging in. Thing is those logs are not colorful. Is there any way to view those created logs with journalctl so it's easier to spot some errors?
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2024-08-31 17:21:42	Edu4rdSHL	Just post them
2024-08-31 17:21:50	Edu4rdSHL	Filtering logs is usually a bad idea
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2024-08-31 17:24:31	gehidore	^^ I still have to tell myself that every time I'm trying to find an issue :P
2024-08-31 17:27:44	Ena0	All right I just looked at the timestamp in those ">" logs and the viewed those times with journalctl silly me lol. Anyways no real red errors there just about 4? and many yellow which seems to be a warning.
2024-08-31 17:28:24	Ena0	I'll get those logs again and post them here need to get a 'clean' file so you don't have to look through a bunch of crap xd
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2024-08-31 17:42:17	Ena0	!paste
2024-08-31 17:42:17	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-08-31 17:44:31	Ena0	https://paste.rs/UXtpQ.txt
2024-08-31 17:44:32	phrik	Title: Source Code | UXtpQ | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-08-31 17:44:54	Ena0	Here are the logs from my last Wayland login
2024-08-31 17:45:27	Ena0	Edu4rdSHL: 
2024-08-31 17:46:11	gehidore	that's clipped right at the end of a backtrace?
2024-08-31 17:47:16	Ena0	gehidore: Right after that I restarted
2024-08-31 17:50:05	gehidore	try the whole log from `journalctl -xb-1 --no-pager` where -1 is the last boot -2 is the one before that etc
2024-08-31 17:50:48	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-08-31 17:50:58	gehidore	whichever matches the time you had this issue or cause it to happen now and ommit the -1
2024-08-31 17:52:28	Scimmia	Ena0: nvidia. did you enable drm kernel modesetting? Assuming you're on a current driver?
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2024-08-31 17:56:10	Ena0	Scimmia: Yes I did. cat /sys/module/nvidia_drm/parameters/modeset returns a Y
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2024-08-31 17:56:25	Ena0	gehidore: All right I'll post a longer log.
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2024-08-31 18:05:53	Ena0	Log seems too big. Where can I upload a txt file? xd
2024-08-31 18:06:21	Ena0	its 500kib
2024-08-31 18:06:59	Ena0	!paste
2024-08-31 18:07:00	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-08-31 18:10:17	Ena0	Can't post that 0,5 MB text file seems too large for any of those paste sites listed here
2024-08-31 18:10:32	Edu4rdSHL	No for github gist for sure
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2024-08-31 18:17:54	Ena0	https://0x0.st/Xv3R.txt
2024-08-31 18:17:54	gehidore	0x0.st can handle that fine
2024-08-31 18:17:59	Ena0	https://0x0.st/Xv37.txt
2024-08-31 18:18:17	Ena0	one log is 'normal' the other is with -xb
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2024-08-31 18:20:19	Ena0	gehidore: Yeah just realized that thx;)
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2024-08-31 18:21:57	edgy	Hi, for the first time in my life my laptop started rebooting randomly in the middle of my precious work! the log is full of CTRL-EVENT-SIGNAL-CHANGE above=1 signal=-50 noise=9999 txrate=78000 so I replaced wpa_supliant with iwd and for two days now no reboots, any one encountered such a thing?!
2024-08-31 18:22:38	markboston	yup wpa_supplicant sucks
2024-08-31 18:22:42	markboston	:P
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2024-08-31 18:23:01	markboston	i hate it with a passion
2024-08-31 18:23:02	edgy	iwd works great except that in KDE I cannot tell which network I am connected to. It shows all connected!
2024-08-31 18:23:18	markboston	thats weird
2024-08-31 18:23:28	edgy	markboston: if it has so serious problems why it's not replaced from being default?
2024-08-31 18:23:29	⚡ 	gehidore <3 wpa_supplicant
2024-08-31 18:23:41	gehidore	though I've been pretty happy with the switch to iwd
2024-08-31 18:24:23	markboston	i know lots of people like wpa_supplicant. ive never had luck with it but if it works for you great
2024-08-31 18:24:29	markboston	i won't be using it
2024-08-31 18:24:50	edgy	markboston: do you use KDE?
2024-08-31 18:24:57	markboston	no
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2024-08-31 18:25:04	markboston	i3 or hyprland
2024-08-31 18:25:09	Warepire	edgy: wpa_supplicant shouldn't cause reboots directly. Something else caused it. wpa_supplicant is still necessary for some hardware.
2024-08-31 18:25:26	edgy	Warepire: something else like what?
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2024-08-31 18:25:50	Warepire	Depends on your configuration.
2024-08-31 18:25:57	edgy	actually nothing should cause a reboot unless it's a bug
2024-08-31 18:26:09	Warepire	If you enable reboot on panic.
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2024-08-31 18:29:25	edgy	Warepire: I don't even know what's that mean
2024-08-31 18:29:40	edgy	so I didn't enable anything that causes reboots
2024-08-31 18:30:14	edgy	if there is anyway I can troubleshoot this let me know
2024-08-31 18:30:42	Warepire	Was there anything in the journal for that boot indicating why it would reboot?
2024-08-31 18:31:14	edgy	Warepire: couldn't see anything strange except thousands of those CTRL messages
2024-08-31 18:31:35	edgy	and every time it happens these are the last messages in the journal
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2024-08-31 18:32:02	Warepire	https://docs.kernel.org/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html See panic= for reboot on panic behavior. Default is 0 (no reboot)
2024-08-31 18:32:04	phrik	Title: The kernel’s command-line parameters — The Linux Kernel documentation (at docs.kernel.org)
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2024-08-31 18:34:16	Warepire	Could you post the journal (or last 1000 lines if it's really long) of a boot that ended in reboot?
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2024-08-31 18:34:46	edgy	Warepire: sure, let me figure out which one it is ...
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2024-08-31 18:45:50	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-08-31 18:48:18	edgy	Warepire: https://termbin.com/w2ct
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2024-08-31 18:54:33	Warepire	edgy: Something is requesting a reboot via systemd, I cannot see that particular event in the log though.
2024-08-31 18:54:53	Warepire	If you find that event, you can probably work backwards to find the cause of the reboot
2024-08-31 18:58:58	edgy	Warepire: can you please explain what to look for? I also might be wrong with the many reboots that happen may be this is not the random reboot, so what to look for?
2024-08-31 18:59:16	edgy	I can go back and review them all one by one if this would help
2024-08-31 18:59:54	Warepire	I would start by grep:ing for systemd.*eboot through the log for the specific boot
2024-08-31 19:01:27	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-08-31 19:01:37	Warepire	If the reboot is not triggered by systemd, your log will just abruptly end.
2024-08-31 19:02:42	edgy	Warepire: good advice ...
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2024-08-31 19:26:17	edgy	Warepire: If the log doesn't show a reboot at all, what does this mean?
2024-08-31 19:26:44	edgy	Warepire: is this what you mean by abruptly?
2024-08-31 19:26:57	Warepire	Could you post the last line?
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2024-08-31 19:28:04	edgy	Warepire: > journalctl -b -19 |tail -n1
2024-08-31 19:28:06	edgy	Aug 30 04:10:19 lenovo wpa_supplicant[917]: wlp4s0: CTRL-EVENT-SIGNAL-CHANGE above=1 signal=-50 noise=9999 txrate=52000
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2024-08-31 19:28:35	Warepire	Yes, that's what I mean with a log ending abruptly.
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2024-08-31 19:31:05	edgy	Warepire: then this is the correct log. journalctl -b -19 |rg CTRL-EVENT-SIGNAL |wc -l
2024-08-31 19:31:07	edgy	1212
2024-08-31 19:31:57	susi	don't count those CTRL-EVENT-SIGNAL thingies, they are harmless signal change infos from wpa_supplicant
2024-08-31 19:32:06	susi	you can control that behavior from wpa_cli
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2024-08-31 19:32:59	Warepire	edgy: Could you post the journal of that boot?
2024-08-31 19:33:46	edgy	Warepire: that journal is interesting, it has some plasma crashes in the middle
2024-08-31 19:33:50	Ena0	Has the 'nvidia driver kernel panic issue' been solved already?
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2024-08-31 19:34:19	susi	something like >wpa_cli log_level warning
2024-08-31 19:35:37	Warepire	susi: The problem we're looking for is why their computer rebooted out of nowhere, it's not necessarily tied to that log line
2024-08-31 19:35:58	susi	yes, but they are counting those CTRL-EVENT-SIGNAL-CHANGE messages
2024-08-31 19:36:00	Edu4rdSHL	Ena0, yes, and it was only present on a specific scenario
2024-08-31 19:36:46	edgy	Warepire: sure, ...
2024-08-31 19:37:04	Ena0	Edu4rdSHL: What do you mean by specific scenario? And could you link a statement that confirms that? Where do I look for it?
2024-08-31 19:37:18	Ena0	I had to reinstall twice cause of that lol
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2024-08-31 19:37:41	Edu4rdSHL	Ena0, read the bug reports. It was only present if you use fbdev=1 as kernel parameter
2024-08-31 19:37:59	Ena0	Edu4rdSHL: Where do I find those? 
2024-08-31 19:38:36	Ena0	Just found this: https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/series-550-freezes-laptop/284772?page=2
2024-08-31 19:38:37	phrik	Title: Series 550 freezes laptop - Page 2 - Linux - NVIDIA Developer Forums (at forums.developer.nvidia.com)
2024-08-31 19:39:19	Edu4rdSHL	Anyways, that's irrelevant, we ar on 560 now
2024-08-31 19:39:55	Edu4rdSHL	https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/545-29-06-18-1-flip-event-timeout-error-on-startup-shutdown-and-sometimes-suspend-wayland-unusable/274788/5
2024-08-31 19:39:56	phrik	Title: [545.29.06-18.1]Flip event timeout error on startup, shutdown and sometimes suspend. Wayland unusable - #5 by generix - Linux - NVIDIA Developer Forums (at forums.developer.nvidia.com)
2024-08-31 19:39:58	Ena0	All right but where does it say the issue is fixed? Like how do I know that?
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2024-08-31 19:40:22	Edu4rdSHL	Ena0, it's... fixed, trust me or read the release notes of the drivers :)
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2024-08-31 19:40:56	Ena0	Is there an arch bug report site? I had a link to some arch website it wasn't the forum but a different discussion... unfortunately I lost the link lol
2024-08-31 19:41:36	Ena0	Edu4rdSHL: xd okay let's see if I won't regret trusting strangers on the internet ;)
2024-08-31 19:41:49	Edu4rdSHL	> or read the release notes of the drivers
2024-08-31 19:41:54	Edu4rdSHL	You dont have to
2024-08-31 19:42:07	Edu4rdSHL	Also, the bug reports for packages are now on Gitlab
2024-08-31 19:42:21	Ena0	Ok
2024-08-31 19:42:43	Ena0	Maybe an older driver I'm using rn is causing this wayland issue...
2024-08-31 19:42:46	Ena0	Im on 535
2024-08-31 19:43:13	Edu4rdSHL	Uh, why are you on that
2024-08-31 19:43:56	Ena0	Cause of the aforementioned problem. Updating arch while the newest driver was in use just nuked my whole laptop
2024-08-31 19:43:58	Ena0	twice
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2024-08-31 19:44:05	Ena0	that was like some months ago
2024-08-31 19:45:00	Ena0	literally nuked. Everyting was corrupted. Anyways I'm going to try the new driver
2024-08-31 19:45:37	Edu4rdSHL	Are you using Arch or some Arch-based? Arch by default doesn't set fbdev=1 :)
2024-08-31 19:45:51	Edu4rdSHL	And you said that you reinstalled and the problem persisted...
2024-08-31 19:45:54	Ena0	Edu4rdSHL: I'm on arch
2024-08-31 19:46:19	Ena0	If you check out the link I provided you can see there are mostly arch people 
2024-08-31 19:46:31	Ena0	https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/series-550-freezes-laptop/284772/29?page=2
2024-08-31 19:46:33	phrik	Title: Series 550 freezes laptop - #29 by bakabo8 - Linux - NVIDIA Developer Forums (at forums.developer.nvidia.com)
2024-08-31 19:46:34	Ena0	this one
2024-08-31 19:46:52	Ena0	And the problem was well known in here I chatted with some other guys who tried to help out
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2024-08-31 19:47:51	Edu4rdSHL	Latest comments says that it's fixed
2024-08-31 19:48:29	edgy	Warepire: https://termbin.com/ghiy
2024-08-31 19:49:09	Ena0	Do you know this other arch site that tracked the issue by any chance? It wasn't the forum but some other developer space
2024-08-31 19:49:21	Ena0	It was some arch website
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2024-08-31 19:54:15	Ena0	Edu4rdSHL: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=297517
2024-08-31 19:54:16	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] Kernel panic and session freeze while resuming from suspend / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-08-31 19:54:24	Ena0	This user Seth even recommended 535
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2024-08-31 19:59:29	chikuwasuka	Ena0: that's the arch forum. i should know, because i was the one who posted the original thread about the 550 bug.
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2024-08-31 20:01:21	chikuwasuka	and 560 has been fine for me. the sleep bug is separate 
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2024-08-31 20:02:10	edgy	Warepire: did you figure out any thing?
2024-08-31 20:03:42	Ena0	chikuwasuka: Thx for the info. Yeah no I'm going to stay on 535 for the time being...
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2024-08-31 20:03:51	Ena0	https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/560-release-feedback-discussion/300830/371
2024-08-31 20:03:53	phrik	Title: 560 release feedback & discussion - #371 by abchauhan - Linux - NVIDIA Developer Forums (at forums.developer.nvidia.com)
2024-08-31 20:03:57	Ena0	Seems to be bugged as well
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2024-08-31 20:04:23	Ena0	apparently nvidia-open works tho
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2024-08-31 20:16:08	Warepire	edgy: Sorry, made dinner. Will have a look now
2024-08-31 20:21:20	Warepire	edgy: Not really, what is interesting to me is that the last user@1000 session ends 6 minutes before the logs stop.
2024-08-31 20:21:44	Warepire	The session seems to end cleanly.
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2024-08-31 20:25:13	Warepire	Then a session for user 969 starts, and ends, and then the logs stop
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2024-08-31 20:40:07	edgy	Warepire: my laptop went into sleep so I missed some of your messages
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2024-08-31 20:40:34	Warepire	20:16 < Warepire> edgy: Sorry, made dinner. Will have a look now
2024-08-31 20:40:34	Warepire	20:21 < Warepire> edgy: Not really, what is interesting to me is that the last user@1000 session ends 6 minutes before the logs stop.
2024-08-31 20:40:37	Warepire	20:21 < Warepire> The session seems to end cleanly.
2024-08-31 20:40:40	Warepire	20:25 < Warepire> Then a session for user 969 starts, and ends, and then the logs stop
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2024-08-31 20:42:45	edgy	Warepire: uid 969 is sddm not a real user
2024-08-31 20:43:02	Warepire	I figured.
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2024-08-31 20:44:08	edgy	Warepire: I have a couple of users in the system for testing so I think I switched from one user to the other to see whether the problem persist and it was in both of them
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2024-08-31 20:47:08	edgy	Warepire: seems I am also having problems with iwd, it disconnects me, but no rebooting at least
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2024-08-31 20:49:20	edgy	according to the wiki iwd backend is still experimental
2024-08-31 20:53:08	another|	you mean for NetworkManager? yeah
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2024-08-31 20:53:58	edgy	another|: yes
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2024-08-31 20:54:47	edgy	another|: I cannot even disconnect and connect manually since it shows all networks connected, by all I mean the networks of my neighbors
2024-08-31 20:54:50	another|	it is. so much so, that I went back to wpa_supplicant
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2024-08-31 20:55:19	edgy	another|: if I figured out how to make wpa_supplicant not cause my laptop to reboot, I will
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2024-08-31 20:55:55	another|	Well, basic operation used to work fine for me. But the more advanced features are no implemented well
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2024-08-31 20:56:24	Warepire	edgy: One thing I just remembered can also cause random reboots. Do you have a watchdog enabled?
2024-08-31 20:56:39	Warepire	If the system fully freezes, that will reboot it.
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2024-08-31 20:58:06	edgy	Warepire: watchdog? I need to google it ...
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2024-08-31 20:58:50	Warepire	I haven't configured a watchdog with systemd since at least 2016, so I don't remember how to check if it's enabled.
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2024-08-31 20:59:57	edgy	Warepire: I don't even know what is it, but my logs shows lenovo boltd[767]: watchdog: enabled [pulse: 90s]
2024-08-31 21:00:31	Warepire	That could be specific to thunderbolt and not a system-wide one.
2024-08-31 21:02:03	edgy	Warepire: > systemctl list-unit-files |rg watchdog
2024-08-31 21:02:05	edgy	bmc-watchdog.service                         disabled        disabled
2024-08-31 21:02:43	edgy	Warepire: I didn't configure or enbled this watchdog unless it's something that's enabled by default
2024-08-31 21:03:20	edgy	Warepire: but let's say there something that rebooted my machine, shouldn't it shows in the log?
2024-08-31 21:03:24	Warepire	Do you have any /dev/watchdog files?
2024-08-31 21:03:57	edgy	crw------- 1 root root  10, 130 Aug 31 21:45 /dev/watchdog
2024-08-31 21:03:59	edgy	crw------- 1 root root 247,   0 Aug 31 21:45 /dev/watchdog0
2024-08-31 21:04:06	edgy	Warepire: yes, a couple of them ^
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2024-08-31 21:05:18	Warepire	Check your /etc/systemd/system.conf if WatchdogRuntimeSec is enabled (any value that isn't =0 or =off)
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2024-08-31 21:07:25	edgy	Warepire: https://termbin.com/4fbv
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2024-08-31 21:07:43	Warepire	Ok, so the watchdog isn't used.
2024-08-31 21:07:44	edgy	Warepire: but wdctl shows https://termbin.com/nfmr
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2024-08-31 21:12:18	Warepire	edgy: If I understand that util correctly (they didn't document how to read the output ...) STATUS needs to be 1 for it to be active/needed
2024-08-31 21:12:43	Warepire	Meaning that the watchdog has that configuration, but it's not enabled.
2024-08-31 21:13:35	edgy	Warepire: good to know
2024-08-31 21:13:47	edgy	Warepire: this is very weird
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2024-08-31 21:14:18	Warepire	Yeah, I unfortunately can't think of anything at the moment that could clue us into why the system just rebooted.
2024-08-31 21:14:39	edgy	Warepire: ok, thanks a lot for your care and patience
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2024-08-31 21:15:06	Warepire	No problem, hopefully someone else gets some ideas that could help further.
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2024-08-31 21:15:53	edgy	hopefully, I will come tomorrow may be, thanks again
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2024-08-31 22:10:17	chikuwasuka	i think the rtd3 thing not working with open is just turing.
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2024-08-31 22:11:48	teraflops	m nvidia dgpu offloads just fine but mine is a mux switch powered laptop, that said I have to load nvidia module with NVreg_DynamicPowerManagement=0x02
2024-08-31 22:11:56	teraflops	m/my
2024-08-31 22:12:12	teraflops	and I'm using open
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2024-09-01 15:07:31	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-01 15:13:12	batbrat	Hi! I ran a find on / after a pacman -Syu to find pacnew and pacsave files. Surprisingly, it outupt "/run/user/1000/doc: Permission denied" 
2024-09-01 15:13:40	batbrat	I looked at it with ls -l, and all I can tell is that doc is a directory. Everythign else just displays as a ?
2024-09-01 15:14:10	batbrat	On the Arch forums, it suggested looking at /usr/share/libalpm/hooks to see if there is a bad hook basedo n the description, but i couldn't find such a hook
2024-09-01 15:14:36	susi	no need to look for pacnews other than under /etc
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2024-09-01 15:15:05	batbrat	susi: Thanks, that makes sense. However, in this case, I'm glad I did. I found a surprising result which never turned up on other runs.
2024-09-01 15:15:12	mpan	hx030: hello. pacman never touches user directories, so there can’t be any pacnew/pacsave files in that location. Also, consider installing pacman-contrib: it has pacdiff utility for exactly that purpose.
2024-09-01 15:15:23	chowbok	I use etc-update
2024-09-01 15:15:46	mpan	Ergh
2024-09-01 15:15:49	mpan	batbrat: hello. pacman never touches user directories, so there can’t be any pacnew/pacsave files in that location. Also, consider installing pacman-contrib: it has pacdiff utility for exactly that purpose.
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2024-09-01 15:15:54	mpan	hx030: sry for an accidental ping. :)
2024-09-01 15:16:15	batbrat	mpan: I do have pacman-contrib. I'll try and learn how to use pacdiff for this.
2024-09-01 15:16:48	batbrat	mpan: That said, it is really weird that there is a file whose permissions other than "d" are all question marks, and that I can find no information about it.
2024-09-01 15:17:00	mpan	Just `pacdiff`.
2024-09-01 15:17:38	batbrat	mpan: Right, pacdiff shows that there are no pacnew/pacsave files. Thanks. I'm still interested in what /run/user/1000/doc is because it is so weird
2024-09-01 15:17:55	mpan	`pacdiff -s` if you have sudoedit configured in a way that will allow merging files. Note that “merge” option is not what you want, it’s “view” in `pacdiff -s`.
2024-09-01 15:19:19	mpan	batbrat: the question marks may be because you ahve insufficient permissions to actually read the directory.
2024-09-01 15:19:42	mpan	Keep in mind you need to be able to list the directory (x permission) for that to be displayed.
2024-09-01 15:20:05	batbrat	I haven't looked at sudoedit at all. Let me go look that up. It sounds useful. Thanks for calling out view vs. merge as well
2024-09-01 15:20:25	batbrat	I tried looking at the directory as root. I was logged in as root directly
2024-09-01 15:20:27	astralc	sudoedit (or sudo -e) annoy me, because I must close the editor to validate the changes
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2024-09-01 15:21:06	batbrat	It is strange to me that there is a folder that root doesn't have permissions for.
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2024-09-01 15:22:04	batbrat	astralc: Do you use some alternative to it?
2024-09-01 15:22:27	astralc	sudo pacdiff
2024-09-01 15:22:39	astralc	or sudo vim
2024-09-01 15:22:59	⚡ 	batbrat nods
2024-09-01 15:23:02	batbrat	That makes sense
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2024-09-01 15:26:59	mpan	batbrat: root doesn’t have absolute access. If that’s a network mount, or +i attribute is set, or in a few other circumstances, the root may not have full access. Just examples, not saying this happens in this case.
2024-09-01 15:28:14	astralc	"Can root make file that root can't change?"-> +i
2024-09-01 15:28:16	batbrat	mpan: Oh! Thanks! That helps me understand when root may not have access to something. I'd expect that it is unusual for root to not have acces, isn't it?
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2024-09-01 15:28:36	mpan	It’s rare. And not saying any of the examples applies to your case.
2024-09-01 15:28:43	astralc	for pacdiff, with default switches, yes
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2024-09-01 15:28:50	batbrat	I really must look at the +i option. Imma look that up
2024-09-01 15:29:01	mpan	keywords: chattr +i
2024-09-01 15:29:13	⚡ 	batbrat runs man chattr
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2024-09-01 15:31:13	astralc	from what I get the default pacdiff behaviour is pacmandb, I assume it use the "backup files" list
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2024-09-01 15:32:36	batbrat	astralc: But the issue I had seems independent of pacdiff. I hit the issue on running find on /
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2024-09-01 15:34:45	astralc	some special "mounts" may also give you weird permissions
2024-09-01 15:34:58	demonicmaniac1	batbrat: /run is a tmpfs and /run/user/1000 is a tmpfs created for your user for temporary data in memory only
2024-09-01 15:35:00	astralc	which / have 
2024-09-01 15:35:21	demonicmaniac1	so whatever created /run/user/1000/doc for you is probably even just a dbus endpoint or something and not even an actual file at all
2024-09-01 15:35:40	sunyibo	funkymonkey: I suggest weasis-bin from the aur
2024-09-01 15:36:17	demonicmaniac1	tl;dr anything under /run is a tmpfs and anything under /run/user/ID where 1000 is usually the default user id is spawned by a process/service for that user under that id and only in memory/virtual
2024-09-01 15:36:26	batbrat	astralc, demonicmaniac1 thanks for explaining that. It seems to me that it is safe to ignore this message given what you are saying.
2024-09-01 15:36:36	⚡ 	batbrat nods to demonicmaniac1 
2024-09-01 15:37:02	batbrat	Thanks! I really need to study up on all of this. Thanks for helping me out
2024-09-01 15:37:05	demonicmaniac1	batbrat: you can also just df to see all the funky stuff systemd mounts
2024-09-01 15:37:16	demonicmaniac1	which are all just effectively sockets
2024-09-01 15:37:33	astralc	depending if you need to search on the "/" devices only, adding -xdev may help
2024-09-01 15:37:45	astralc	s/devices/device/
2024-09-01 15:38:14	batbrat	Unix sockets that can be mounted? That's pretty crazy. Colour me interested. :) Also, devices? I'm going to try that option just to see what turns up.
2024-09-01 15:38:22	astralc	actually s/device/filesystem/
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2024-09-01 15:38:57	batbrat	astralc: Oh! That makes sense. The output was basically identical for me.
2024-09-01 15:39:22	demonicmaniac1	you can also find -not -fstype nodev 
2024-09-01 15:39:33	demonicmaniac1	that effectively just excludes any "virtual" filesystem
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2024-09-01 15:40:27	batbrat	Very cool. I've put that in my notes demonicmaniac1. Really useful
2024-09-01 15:40:53	batbrat	I really ought to finish reading the man page for find soon. There's so many useful options.
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2024-09-01 15:42:37	astralc	> portal on /run/user/1000/doc type fuse.portal
2024-09-01 15:43:06	astralc	"mount" command without argument will show all the 'mounted' stuff
2024-09-01 15:44:06	batbrat	astralc: I don't understand what fuse.portal is? Could you please elaborate?
2024-09-01 15:44:19	⚡ 	batbrat runs mount without args
2024-09-01 15:44:46	astralc	I also don't know exactly , searching the web show me it related to portals and flatpak stuff
2024-09-01 15:45:19	batbrat	Okay! I'll take a look too. Thanks for looking it up for mew.
2024-09-01 15:45:21	batbrat	*me
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2024-09-01 15:47:07	demonicmaniac1	portals are indeed portals for sandboxed stuff to talk to the system for specific apis and fuse is filesystem in userspace
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2024-09-01 15:56:34	zarac	i can't install python-mamba because it requires python-expects and i cannot install python-expects because it requires python-mamba .. any ideas how to get around this circular dependency? (using yay)
2024-09-01 15:57:20	mkoskar	zarac: you need to install them in single pacman transaction
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2024-09-01 15:58:12	zarac	mkoskar: ok.. that's initially what i tried, i think.. using just yay -Syu .. but i'll try again.
2024-09-01 15:58:43	mpan	sudo pacman -U pkg1.tar.zstd pkg2.tar.zstd
2024-09-01 15:58:57	zarac	nope, doesn't help :( .. `yay --sudo su -S python-mamba python-expects`
2024-09-01 15:59:08	mpan	zarac: don’t use AUR helpers.
2024-09-01 15:59:17	mpan	I gave you the command above.
2024-09-01 15:59:18	zarac	oh.. i'll try with pacman. thanks
2024-09-01 15:59:37	mpan	(.zst also… mea culpa :P)
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2024-09-01 16:00:35	Scimmia	you'll have to skip the check, and remove the checkdepends, that is causing the circular dep
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2024-09-01 16:02:03	zarac	Scimmia: i'm thinking i'll mess up the dependency registered then, though. Right? (i.e. pacman -Qi X won't show correct dependency)
2024-09-01 16:02:29	astralc	hmm.. I don't see python-mamba depend on python-expects
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2024-09-01 16:04:40	zarac	meh.. i can't even build either of them because they require each other ; / (using just makepkg)
2024-09-01 16:05:02	astralc	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/python-mamba#comment-985214
2024-09-01 16:05:05	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - python-mamba (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-01 16:05:30	zarac	astralc: sorry, python-doublex-expects is also involved in the mess.. : )
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2024-09-01 16:16:03	Scimmia	zarac: no, it's checkdepends
2024-09-01 16:17:55	zarac	meh. i uninstalled it.. i bet i don't need it anyway.. ;)
2024-09-01 16:18:14	zarac	python2 was involved there somewhere, too. Eeek!
2024-09-01 16:18:32	zarac	thx =Pp
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2024-09-01 16:20:18	printfdebugging	I have been coming here every now and then asking for why my system is crashing. I thouth it was the compositor, but it was the widnow manager creating zombie processes https://imgur.com/gallery/awesome-zombie-children-UApuki7
2024-09-01 16:20:20	phrik	Title: awesome zombie children - Album on Imgur (at imgur.com)
2024-09-01 16:20:52	printfdebugging	I might have messed up somehow picking up some piece of the dotfiles from one repo, some from other.
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2024-09-01 16:23:01	printfdebugging	To test this, I tried the vanilla configuration, and it didn't crash (although the time for which I tested wasn't that long, but I am pretty sure it's my configuration messing up somewhere. But why then does it happen in kde?
2024-09-01 16:23:21	printfdebugging	And I noticed that this happens mostly when I am interacting with the browsers (brave and firefox)
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2024-09-01 16:30:07	susi	did you also carry your ~/.cache with you
2024-09-01 16:30:52	printfdebugging	susi: No, I just carry the .configs, and yes the .configs for the browser as well.
2024-09-01 16:30:58	printfdebugging	Might that be an issue?
2024-09-01 16:31:38	printfdebugging	I have the .configs for thunderbird and browser in private repos (which I pull down using ansible, which has my encrypted ssh keys)
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2024-09-01 15:13:33	batbrat	Hi! I ran a find on / after a pacman -Syu to find pacnew and pacsave files. Surprisingly, it outupt "/run/user/1000/doc: Permission denied" 
2024-09-01 15:14:01	batbrat	I looked at it with ls -l, and all I can tell is that doc is a directory. Everythign else just displays as a ?
2024-09-01 15:14:31	batbrat	On the Arch forums, it suggested looking at /usr/share/libalpm/hooks to see if there is a bad hook basedo n the description, but i couldn't find such a hook
2024-09-01 15:14:56	susi	no need to look for pacnews other than under /etc
2024-09-01 15:15:26	batbrat	susi: Thanks, that makes sense. However, in this case, I'm glad I did. I found a surprising result which never turned up on other runs.
2024-09-01 15:15:33	mpan	hx030: hello. pacman never touches user directories, so there can’t be any pacnew/pacsave files in that location. Also, consider installing pacman-contrib: it has pacdiff utility for exactly that purpose.
2024-09-01 15:15:43	chowbok	I use etc-update
2024-09-01 15:16:07	mpan	Ergh
2024-09-01 15:16:10	mpan	batbrat: hello. pacman never touches user directories, so there can’t be any pacnew/pacsave files in that location. Also, consider installing pacman-contrib: it has pacdiff utility for exactly that purpose.
2024-09-01 15:16:15	mpan	hx030: sry for an accidental ping. :)
2024-09-01 15:16:36	batbrat	mpan: I do have pacman-contrib. I'll try and learn how to use pacdiff for this.
2024-09-01 15:17:09	batbrat	mpan: That said, it is really weird that there is a file whose permissions other than "d" are all question marks, and that I can find no information about it.
2024-09-01 15:17:21	mpan	Just `pacdiff`.
2024-09-01 15:17:59	batbrat	mpan: Right, pacdiff shows that there are no pacnew/pacsave files. Thanks. I'm still interested in what /run/user/1000/doc is because it is so weird
2024-09-01 15:18:16	mpan	`pacdiff -s` if you have sudoedit configured in a way that will allow merging files. Note that “merge” option is not what you want, it’s “view” in `pacdiff -s`.
2024-09-01 15:19:39	mpan	batbrat: the question marks may be because you ahve insufficient permissions to actually read the directory.
2024-09-01 15:20:03	mpan	Keep in mind you need to be able to list the directory (x permission) for that to be displayed.
2024-09-01 15:20:26	batbrat	I haven't looked at sudoedit at all. Let me go look that up. It sounds useful. Thanks for calling out view vs. merge as well
2024-09-01 15:20:46	batbrat	I tried looking at the directory as root. I was logged in as root directly
2024-09-01 15:20:47	astralc	sudoedit (or sudo -e) annoy me, because I must close the editor to validate the changes
2024-09-01 15:21:26	batbrat	It is strange to me that there is a folder that root doesn't have permissions for.
2024-09-01 15:22:25	batbrat	astralc: Do you use some alternative to it?
2024-09-01 15:22:47	astralc	sudo pacdiff
2024-09-01 15:23:00	astralc	or sudo vim
2024-09-01 15:23:20	⚡ 	batbrat nods
2024-09-01 15:23:22	batbrat	That makes sense
2024-09-01 15:27:20	mpan	batbrat: root doesn’t have absolute access. If that’s a network mount, or +i attribute is set, or in a few other circumstances, the root may not have full access. Just examples, not saying this happens in this case.
2024-09-01 15:28:35	astralc	"Can root make file that root can't change?"-> +i
2024-09-01 15:28:37	batbrat	mpan: Oh! Thanks! That helps me understand when root may not have access to something. I'd expect that it is unusual for root to not have acces, isn't it?
2024-09-01 15:28:56	mpan	It’s rare. And not saying any of the examples applies to your case.
2024-09-01 15:29:04	astralc	for pacdiff, with default switches, yes
2024-09-01 15:29:11	batbrat	I really must look at the +i option. Imma look that up
2024-09-01 15:29:22	mpan	keywords: chattr +i
2024-09-01 15:29:34	⚡ 	batbrat runs man chattr
2024-09-01 15:31:33	astralc	from what I get the default pacdiff behaviour is pacmandb, I assume it use the "backup files" list
2024-09-01 15:32:57	batbrat	astralc: But the issue I had seems independent of pacdiff. I hit the issue on running find on /
2024-09-01 15:35:06	astralc	some special "mounts" may also give you weird permissions
2024-09-01 15:35:19	demonicmaniac1	batbrat: /run is a tmpfs and /run/user/1000 is a tmpfs created for your user for temporary data in memory only
2024-09-01 15:35:20	astralc	which / have 
2024-09-01 15:35:42	demonicmaniac1	so whatever created /run/user/1000/doc for you is probably even just a dbus endpoint or something and not even an actual file at all
2024-09-01 15:36:01	sunyibo	funkymonkey: I suggest weasis-bin from the aur
2024-09-01 15:36:38	demonicmaniac1	tl;dr anything under /run is a tmpfs and anything under /run/user/ID where 1000 is usually the default user id is spawned by a process/service for that user under that id and only in memory/virtual
2024-09-01 15:36:46	batbrat	astralc, demonicmaniac1 thanks for explaining that. It seems to me that it is safe to ignore this message given what you are saying.
2024-09-01 15:36:57	⚡ 	batbrat nods to demonicmaniac1 
2024-09-01 15:37:23	batbrat	Thanks! I really need to study up on all of this. Thanks for helping me out
2024-09-01 15:37:26	demonicmaniac1	batbrat: you can also just df to see all the funky stuff systemd mounts
2024-09-01 15:37:37	demonicmaniac1	which are all just effectively sockets
2024-09-01 15:37:53	astralc	depending if you need to search on the "/" devices only, adding -xdev may help
2024-09-01 15:38:06	astralc	s/devices/device/
2024-09-01 15:38:35	batbrat	Unix sockets that can be mounted? That's pretty crazy. Colour me interested. :) Also, devices? I'm going to try that option just to see what turns up.
2024-09-01 15:38:42	astralc	actually s/device/filesystem/
2024-09-01 15:39:17	batbrat	astralc: Oh! That makes sense. The output was basically identical for me.
2024-09-01 15:39:43	demonicmaniac1	you can also find -not -fstype nodev 
2024-09-01 15:39:54	demonicmaniac1	that effectively just excludes any "virtual" filesystem
2024-09-01 15:40:48	batbrat	Very cool. I've put that in my notes demonicmaniac1. Really useful
2024-09-01 15:41:14	batbrat	I really ought to finish reading the man page for find soon. There's so many useful options.
2024-09-01 15:42:57	astralc	> portal on /run/user/1000/doc type fuse.portal
2024-09-01 15:43:26	astralc	"mount" command without argument will show all the 'mounted' stuff
2024-09-01 15:44:27	batbrat	astralc: I don't understand what fuse.portal is? Could you please elaborate?
2024-09-01 15:44:40	⚡ 	batbrat runs mount without args
2024-09-01 15:45:07	astralc	I also don't know exactly , searching the web show me it related to portals and flatpak stuff
2024-09-01 15:45:40	batbrat	Okay! I'll take a look too. Thanks for looking it up for mew.
2024-09-01 15:45:42	batbrat	*me
2024-09-01 15:47:28	demonicmaniac1	portals are indeed portals for sandboxed stuff to talk to the system for specific apis and fuse is filesystem in userspace
2024-09-01 15:56:54	zarac	i can't install python-mamba because it requires python-expects and i cannot install python-expects because it requires python-mamba .. any ideas how to get around this circular dependency? (using yay)
2024-09-01 15:57:41	mkoskar	zarac: you need to install them in single pacman transaction
2024-09-01 15:58:33	zarac	mkoskar: ok.. that's initially what i tried, i think.. using just yay -Syu .. but i'll try again.
2024-09-01 15:59:04	mpan	sudo pacman -U pkg1.tar.zstd pkg2.tar.zstd
2024-09-01 15:59:17	zarac	nope, doesn't help :( .. `yay --sudo su -S python-mamba python-expects`
2024-09-01 15:59:29	mpan	zarac: don’t use AUR helpers.
2024-09-01 15:59:38	mpan	I gave you the command above.
2024-09-01 15:59:39	zarac	oh.. i'll try with pacman. thanks
2024-09-01 15:59:58	mpan	(.zst also… mea culpa :P)
2024-09-01 16:00:56	Scimmia	you'll have to skip the check, and remove the checkdepends, that is causing the circular dep
2024-09-01 16:02:24	zarac	Scimmia: i'm thinking i'll mess up the dependency registered then, though. Right? (i.e. pacman -Qi X won't show correct dependency)
2024-09-01 16:02:50	astralc	hmm.. I don't see python-mamba depend on python-expects
2024-09-01 16:05:01	zarac	meh.. i can't even build either of them because they require each other ; / (using just makepkg)
2024-09-01 16:05:23	astralc	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/python-mamba#comment-985214
2024-09-01 16:05:26	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - python-mamba (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-09-01 16:05:51	zarac	astralc: sorry, python-doublex-expects is also involved in the mess.. : )
2024-09-01 16:16:23	Scimmia	zarac: no, it's checkdepends
2024-09-01 16:18:16	zarac	meh. i uninstalled it.. i bet i don't need it anyway.. ;)
2024-09-01 16:18:34	zarac	python2 was involved there somewhere, too. Eeek!
2024-09-01 16:18:53	zarac	thx =Pp
2024-09-01 16:20:39	printfdebugging	I have been coming here every now and then asking for why my system is crashing. I thouth it was the compositor, but it was the widnow manager creating zombie processes https://imgur.com/gallery/awesome-zombie-children-UApuki7
2024-09-01 16:20:40	phrik	Title: awesome zombie children - Album on Imgur (at imgur.com)
2024-09-01 16:21:13	printfdebugging	I might have messed up somehow picking up some piece of the dotfiles from one repo, some from other.
2024-09-01 16:23:21	printfdebugging	To test this, I tried the vanilla configuration, and it didn't crash (although the time for which I tested wasn't that long, but I am pretty sure it's my configuration messing up somewhere. But why then does it happen in kde?
2024-09-01 16:23:42	printfdebugging	And I noticed that this happens mostly when I am interacting with the browsers (brave and firefox)
2024-09-01 16:30:27	susi	did you also carry your ~/.cache with you
2024-09-01 16:31:13	printfdebugging	susi: No, I just carry the .configs, and yes the .configs for the browser as well.
2024-09-01 16:31:19	printfdebugging	Might that be an issue?
2024-09-01 16:31:59	printfdebugging	I have the .configs for thunderbird and browser in private repos (which I pull down using ansible, which has my encrypted ssh keys)
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2024-09-01 17:36:36	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/3R23W os-prober doesn't seem to see my windows efi. how can I fix that?
2024-09-01 17:36:41	phrik	Title: View paste 3R23W (at bpa.st)
2024-09-01 17:38:01	susi	sunyibo: have you installed os-prober?
2024-09-01 17:40:29	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/CU56E yes
2024-09-01 17:40:34	phrik	Title: View paste CU56E (at bpa.st)
2024-09-01 17:40:48	teraflops	sunyibo: is /dev/sdb1 mounted?
2024-09-01 17:42:01	teraflops	iirc the wiki says the windows disk/partition has to be mounted in order os-prober can detect it
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2024-09-01 17:43:32	teraflops	sunyibo: did you read grub wiki?
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2024-09-01 18:13:41	mefistofeles	"Did you mean `ls`?"
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2024-09-01 18:14:13	yann-kaelig	Hello
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2024-09-01 18:15:10	another|	no, i just mistyped
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2024-09-01 18:17:23	yann-kaelig	There is something I do not understand about dependencies in PKGBUILD. For example some PKGBUILD has as depends seatd libseat.so, other only seatd and during my test I can only set libseat.so and the dep is found. Which one is correct and should be used ?
2024-09-01 18:18:24	yann-kaelig	If you have only explanation about that it's fine.
2024-09-01 18:18:29	yann-kaelig	only/online
2024-09-01 18:19:15	monkfish	yann-kaelig: they do different things. see the definition of depends in PKGBUILD(5).
2024-09-01 18:19:45	mefistofeles	yann-kaelig: it should be the package, so that's seatd, as far as I know
2024-09-01 18:22:28	monkfish	basically, include libseat.so if you're worried your package may depend on a major version of the library that can no longer be sastified by Arch at some juncture, and you don't trust yourself to recognise the fact during quality control, nor wish to specify a version constraint directly.
2024-09-01 18:22:37	yann-kaelig	Ok, so I have read the man PKGBUILD but there is no explanation, unless I missed something about when I should use libseatd.so and when I should use seatd and why in some pqckages both are used. 
2024-09-01 18:22:44	monkfish	there is an explanation.
2024-09-01 18:23:04	monkfish	why isn't the explanation of its function sufficient?
2024-09-01 18:24:12	monkfish	"If the dependency name appears to be a library (ends with .so), makepkg will try to find a binary that depends on the library in the built package and append the version needed by the binary"
2024-09-01 18:25:06	monkfish	in other words, it inspects the ELF binaries contained by the package and tries to infer an automatic version constraint for the package pertianing to the library in question.
2024-09-01 18:26:15	yann-kaelig	ok, fine, but now why should I use libseatd.so instead of seatd and why for example aquamarine use both ?
2024-09-01 18:26:33	monkfish	I don't know what I can say that hasn't already been said. libraries change over time.
2024-09-01 18:26:48	monkfish	for example, run ldd /bin/bash.
2024-09-01 18:27:22	monkfish	that links to libreadline.so.8, which is provided by readline. ok.
2024-09-01 18:27:37	monkfish	what if there is a hypothetical release of readline-9.0 in the future?
2024-09-01 18:27:51	monkfish	it's all but guaranteed that bash-5.2 can't be compiled against it.
2024-09-01 18:28:33	monkfish	at that point, you might think "perhaps it's a good idea to express the fact that readline 8 is required in depends".
2024-09-01 18:29:31	monkfish	writing libreadline.so in depends would have it try to inver the required major version automatically.
2024-09-01 18:29:50	monkfish	it's really more of a quality control thing. I wouldn't consider it to be a substitute for manual quality control.
2024-09-01 18:29:58	monkfish	infer*
2024-09-01 18:30:02	printfdebugging	Awesomewm is not for me :_) Moved back to DWM, and it feels good
2024-09-01 18:31:05	yann-kaelig	Mmm ok so in fact it will look at libseatd.so.version 
2024-09-01 18:33:00	ayekat	maybe implicitly mentioned somewhere I missed, but seatd also provides libseatd.so={version}, so other packages may depend on that---same for other packages that provide .so library files
2024-09-01 18:33:02	pulec	anyone using DaVinci Resolve? I am trying to add media path and it crashes every time I select one
2024-09-01 18:34:39	yann-kaelig	so when I write in depends=('libseatd.so') it will be linked to libseatd.so.1 
2024-09-01 18:35:22	yann-kaelig	but now what's the purpose in this case to add seatd too in the depends list
2024-09-01 18:35:24	monkfish	no. that's not how linking works.
2024-09-01 18:35:58	yann-kaelig	ha!...
2024-09-01 18:37:12	monkfish	the libraries to be linked to are governed primarily by the package's build system. makepkg can't just wave a magic wand and order a given makefile (or whatever) to link an ELF to something in particular.
2024-09-01 18:37:41	monkfish	still, it is the package manger's responsibility to ensure that the prequisites are satisfied, both build-time and runtime.
2024-09-01 18:39:06	pulec	hm it's borked on 19 and on 18, this is some mess!
2024-09-01 18:39:28	sunyibo	teraflops. I have. The EFI is on nvme0n1 and not sdb1
2024-09-01 18:40:37	monkfish	yann-kaelig: I can it this being particularly useful for packages that ship pre-compiled binaries. those can be very challenging to maintain, particularly in a fast moving rolling distro such as Arch.
2024-09-01 18:41:18	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/IGD4M how can I make it detect my EFI?
2024-09-01 18:41:21	phrik	Title: View paste IGD4M (at bpa.st)
2024-09-01 18:41:44	monkfish	for makepkg to be able to walk the ELFs and automatically compose version constraints for libraries known to be ABI-incompatible at regular intervals would definitely ease the pain there.
2024-09-01 18:45:19	sunyibo	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Windows_installed_in_UEFI/GPT_mode when I follow this, I get that https://bpa.st/ZYTQU
2024-09-01 18:45:20	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-01 18:45:52	pulec	solved! had missing opencl-nvidia
2024-09-01 18:55:05	pulec	but bah davinci is completely useless, can't handle any h264/h265 in free version and converting even a small file results in crazy big file, that's just bs
2024-09-01 18:55:08	pulec	kdenlive it is
2024-09-01 18:55:29	gehidore	kdenlive <$
2024-09-01 19:04:27	sunyibo	how can I fix this https://bpa.st/YT53Y
2024-09-01 19:04:31	phrik	Title: View paste YT53Y (at bpa.st)
2024-09-01 19:04:38	sunyibo	I'm trying to dual boot windows and arch
2024-09-01 19:05:49	mefistofeles	sunyibo: fix what exactly?
2024-09-01 19:06:22	sunyibo	make os-prober add an entry for my windows boot partition$
2024-09-01 19:07:44	mefistofeles	sunyibo: are you using the same EFI/boot partition for both systems?
2024-09-01 19:07:59	sunyibo	yes
2024-09-01 19:08:14	mefistofeles	oh yes, I can see that now hmm
2024-09-01 19:09:49	sunyibo	somehow it's looking for sdb1, but I have it on nvme0n1p1
2024-09-01 19:11:14	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/C5NFE
2024-09-01 19:11:17	phrik	Title: View paste C5NFE (at bpa.st)
2024-09-01 19:11:24	astralc	your --efi-directory is wrong
2024-09-01 19:11:30	astralc	it is /boot in your case
2024-09-01 19:12:32	sunyibo	yes, I've tried to add /EFI/ out of shere desperation
2024-09-01 19:13:24	mefistofeles	sunyibo: what are the contents of /boot then? 
2024-09-01 19:13:36	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/QNYSO
2024-09-01 19:13:39	phrik	Title: View paste QNYSO (at bpa.st)
2024-09-01 19:14:27	sunyibo	mefistofeles: https://bpa.st/RXDFI here you go
2024-09-01 19:14:32	phrik	Title: View paste RXDFI (at bpa.st)
2024-09-01 19:14:51	yann-kaelig	what are the rules when I'm writting the depends list. For example a software need at runtime libdrm, gl, egl, glesv2 . On arch linux mesa install wil also install libdrm and libglvnd. In this case is it enough to add mesa in the depends list or should I also add libdrm and libglvnd, and why.
2024-09-01 19:15:30	BrainDamage	do not use transitive dependencies
2024-09-01 19:15:39	BrainDamage	if the software needs all of them, list all of them
2024-09-01 19:15:46	yann-kaelig	ok, thx
2024-09-01 19:16:01	mefistofeles	sunyibo: what about inside EFI? You can use tree
2024-09-01 19:17:18	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/7ABJA
2024-09-01 19:17:21	phrik	Title: View paste 7ABJA (at bpa.st)
2024-09-01 19:18:23	astralc	I think the error on sdb is because the first partition missing type (also, it have 2 partitions with less size of the full disk)
2024-09-01 19:19:22	yann-kaelig	BrainDamage: So it comes another question in this case if the software do not list mesa but libdrm and libglvnd provide what the software need and also mesa as dep. should I add mesa in the depends list ?
2024-09-01 19:19:44	yann-kaelig	mesa as dep from archlinux
2024-09-01 19:20:01	sunyibo	astralc: sdb is just the arch install usb. the EFI is on nvme0n1p1
2024-09-01 19:24:02	yann-kaelig	nevermind, I found the answer
2024-09-01 19:29:55	ridjack	Am trying to overclock my AMD r7 360 with CoreCtrl. Kernel parameter has been set, verified with dmesg and cat, but CoreCtrl's adbanced mode still does not show the options it's supposed. Am out of ideas.
2024-09-01 19:37:22	lod	try it manually 
2024-09-01 19:37:33	BrainDamage	yann-kaelig: it's extremely rare that a software needs mesa explicitly, they usually require a opengl provider
2024-09-01 19:56:06	yann-kaelig	That interesting : If I do not list mesa in the depends list but only libglvnd I get this output from pacman : "
2024-09-01 19:56:08	yann-kaelig	resolving dependencies... looking for conflicting packages... warning: dependency cycle detected: warning: mesa will be installed before its libglvnd dependency. So my idea was to add mesa first in the depends list but now I get  : warning: dependency cycle detected: 
2024-09-01 19:56:10	yann-kaelig	warning: libglvnd will be installed before its mesa dependency
2024-09-01 19:56:52	yann-kaelig	it's pacman  joke :D
2024-09-01 20:04:55	BrainDamage	again, usually a software don't need mesa explicitly
2024-09-01 20:05:03	BrainDamage	what software is it?
2024-09-01 20:08:49	yann-kaelig	louvre a c++ library for wayland
2024-09-01 20:09:30	yann-kaelig	but you right mesa it not listed only opengl things
2024-09-01 20:10:24	yann-kaelig	I'm only asking for pkgbuild if mesa should be listed or not
2024-09-01 20:15:10	yann-kaelig	so there is no need to add mesa in the depends list and libdrm, libglvnd are enough and will provide mesa as dep
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2024-09-01 18:17:23	yann-kaelig	There is something I do not understand about dependencies in PKGBUILD. For example some PKGBUILD has as depends seatd libseat.so, other only seatd and during my test I can only set libseat.so and the dep is found. Which one is correct and should be used ?
2024-09-01 18:18:24	yann-kaelig	If you have only explanation about that it's fine.
2024-09-01 18:18:29	yann-kaelig	only/online
2024-09-01 18:19:15	monkfish	yann-kaelig: they do different things. see the definition of depends in PKGBUILD(5).
2024-09-01 18:19:45	mefistofeles	yann-kaelig: it should be the package, so that's seatd, as far as I know
2024-09-01 18:22:28	monkfish	basically, include libseat.so if you're worried your package may depend on a major version of the library that can no longer be sastified by Arch at some juncture, and you don't trust yourself to recognise the fact during quality control, nor wish to specify a version constraint directly.
2024-09-01 18:22:37	yann-kaelig	Ok, so I have read the man PKGBUILD but there is no explanation, unless I missed something about when I should use libseatd.so and when I should use seatd and why in some pqckages both are used. 
2024-09-01 18:22:44	monkfish	there is an explanation.
2024-09-01 18:23:04	monkfish	why isn't the explanation of its function sufficient?
2024-09-01 18:24:12	monkfish	"If the dependency name appears to be a library (ends with .so), makepkg will try to find a binary that depends on the library in the built package and append the version needed by the binary"
2024-09-01 18:25:06	monkfish	in other words, it inspects the ELF binaries contained by the package and tries to infer an automatic version constraint for the package pertianing to the library in question.
2024-09-01 18:26:15	yann-kaelig	ok, fine, but now why should I use libseatd.so instead of seatd and why for example aquamarine use both ?
2024-09-01 18:26:33	monkfish	I don't know what I can say that hasn't already been said. libraries change over time.
2024-09-01 18:26:48	monkfish	for example, run ldd /bin/bash.
2024-09-01 18:27:22	monkfish	that links to libreadline.so.8, which is provided by readline. ok.
2024-09-01 18:27:37	monkfish	what if there is a hypothetical release of readline-9.0 in the future?
2024-09-01 18:27:51	monkfish	it's all but guaranteed that bash-5.2 can't be compiled against it.
2024-09-01 18:28:33	monkfish	at that point, you might think "perhaps it's a good idea to express the fact that readline 8 is required in depends".
2024-09-01 18:29:31	monkfish	writing libreadline.so in depends would have it try to inver the required major version automatically.
2024-09-01 18:29:50	monkfish	it's really more of a quality control thing. I wouldn't consider it to be a substitute for manual quality control.
2024-09-01 18:29:58	monkfish	infer*
2024-09-01 18:30:02	printfdebugging	Awesomewm is not for me :_) Moved back to DWM, and it feels good
2024-09-01 18:31:05	yann-kaelig	Mmm ok so in fact it will look at libseatd.so.version 
2024-09-01 18:33:00	ayekat	maybe implicitly mentioned somewhere I missed, but seatd also provides libseatd.so={version}, so other packages may depend on that---same for other packages that provide .so library files
2024-09-01 18:33:02	pulec	anyone using DaVinci Resolve? I am trying to add media path and it crashes every time I select one
2024-09-01 18:34:39	yann-kaelig	so when I write in depends=('libseatd.so') it will be linked to libseatd.so.1 
2024-09-01 18:35:22	yann-kaelig	but now what's the purpose in this case to add seatd too in the depends list
2024-09-01 18:35:24	monkfish	no. that's not how linking works.
2024-09-01 18:35:58	yann-kaelig	ha!...
2024-09-01 18:37:12	monkfish	the libraries to be linked to are governed primarily by the package's build system. makepkg can't just wave a magic wand and order a given makefile (or whatever) to link an ELF to something in particular.
2024-09-01 18:37:41	monkfish	still, it is the package manger's responsibility to ensure that the prequisites are satisfied, both build-time and runtime.
2024-09-01 18:39:06	pulec	hm it's borked on 19 and on 18, this is some mess!
2024-09-01 18:39:28	sunyibo	teraflops. I have. The EFI is on nvme0n1 and not sdb1
2024-09-01 18:40:37	monkfish	yann-kaelig: I can it this being particularly useful for packages that ship pre-compiled binaries. those can be very challenging to maintain, particularly in a fast moving rolling distro such as Arch.
2024-09-01 18:41:18	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/IGD4M how can I make it detect my EFI?
2024-09-01 18:41:21	phrik	Title: View paste IGD4M (at bpa.st)
2024-09-01 18:41:44	monkfish	for makepkg to be able to walk the ELFs and automatically compose version constraints for libraries known to be ABI-incompatible at regular intervals would definitely ease the pain there.
2024-09-01 18:45:19	sunyibo	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Windows_installed_in_UEFI/GPT_mode when I follow this, I get that https://bpa.st/ZYTQU
2024-09-01 18:45:20	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-01 18:45:52	pulec	solved! had missing opencl-nvidia
2024-09-01 18:55:05	pulec	but bah davinci is completely useless, can't handle any h264/h265 in free version and converting even a small file results in crazy big file, that's just bs
2024-09-01 18:55:08	pulec	kdenlive it is
2024-09-01 18:55:29	gehidore	kdenlive <$
2024-09-01 19:04:27	sunyibo	how can I fix this https://bpa.st/YT53Y
2024-09-01 19:04:31	phrik	Title: View paste YT53Y (at bpa.st)
2024-09-01 19:04:38	sunyibo	I'm trying to dual boot windows and arch
2024-09-01 19:05:49	mefistofeles	sunyibo: fix what exactly?
2024-09-01 19:06:22	sunyibo	make os-prober add an entry for my windows boot partition$
2024-09-01 19:07:44	mefistofeles	sunyibo: are you using the same EFI/boot partition for both systems?
2024-09-01 19:07:59	sunyibo	yes
2024-09-01 19:08:14	mefistofeles	oh yes, I can see that now hmm
2024-09-01 19:09:49	sunyibo	somehow it's looking for sdb1, but I have it on nvme0n1p1
2024-09-01 19:11:14	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/C5NFE
2024-09-01 19:11:17	phrik	Title: View paste C5NFE (at bpa.st)
2024-09-01 19:11:24	astralc	your --efi-directory is wrong
2024-09-01 19:11:30	astralc	it is /boot in your case
2024-09-01 19:12:32	sunyibo	yes, I've tried to add /EFI/ out of shere desperation
2024-09-01 19:13:24	mefistofeles	sunyibo: what are the contents of /boot then? 
2024-09-01 19:13:36	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/QNYSO
2024-09-01 19:13:39	phrik	Title: View paste QNYSO (at bpa.st)
2024-09-01 19:14:27	sunyibo	mefistofeles: https://bpa.st/RXDFI here you go
2024-09-01 19:14:32	phrik	Title: View paste RXDFI (at bpa.st)
2024-09-01 19:14:51	yann-kaelig	what are the rules when I'm writting the depends list. For example a software need at runtime libdrm, gl, egl, glesv2 . On arch linux mesa install wil also install libdrm and libglvnd. In this case is it enough to add mesa in the depends list or should I also add libdrm and libglvnd, and why.
2024-09-01 19:15:30	BrainDamage	do not use transitive dependencies
2024-09-01 19:15:39	BrainDamage	if the software needs all of them, list all of them
2024-09-01 19:15:46	yann-kaelig	ok, thx
2024-09-01 19:16:01	mefistofeles	sunyibo: what about inside EFI? You can use tree
2024-09-01 19:17:18	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/7ABJA
2024-09-01 19:17:21	phrik	Title: View paste 7ABJA (at bpa.st)
2024-09-01 19:18:23	astralc	I think the error on sdb is because the first partition missing type (also, it have 2 partitions with less size of the full disk)
2024-09-01 19:19:22	yann-kaelig	BrainDamage: So it comes another question in this case if the software do not list mesa but libdrm and libglvnd provide what the software need and also mesa as dep. should I add mesa in the depends list ?
2024-09-01 19:19:44	yann-kaelig	mesa as dep from archlinux
2024-09-01 19:20:01	sunyibo	astralc: sdb is just the arch install usb. the EFI is on nvme0n1p1
2024-09-01 19:24:02	yann-kaelig	nevermind, I found the answer
2024-09-01 19:29:55	ridjack	Am trying to overclock my AMD r7 360 with CoreCtrl. Kernel parameter has been set, verified with dmesg and cat, but CoreCtrl's adbanced mode still does not show the options it's supposed. Am out of ideas.
2024-09-01 19:37:22	lod	try it manually 
2024-09-01 19:37:33	BrainDamage	yann-kaelig: it's extremely rare that a software needs mesa explicitly, they usually require a opengl provider
2024-09-01 19:56:06	yann-kaelig	That interesting : If I do not list mesa in the depends list but only libglvnd I get this output from pacman : "
2024-09-01 19:56:08	yann-kaelig	resolving dependencies... looking for conflicting packages... warning: dependency cycle detected: warning: mesa will be installed before its libglvnd dependency. So my idea was to add mesa first in the depends list but now I get  : warning: dependency cycle detected: 
2024-09-01 19:56:10	yann-kaelig	warning: libglvnd will be installed before its mesa dependency
2024-09-01 19:56:52	yann-kaelig	it's pacman  joke :D
2024-09-01 20:04:55	BrainDamage	again, usually a software don't need mesa explicitly
2024-09-01 20:05:03	BrainDamage	what software is it?
2024-09-01 20:08:49	yann-kaelig	louvre a c++ library for wayland
2024-09-01 20:09:30	yann-kaelig	but you right mesa it not listed only opengl things
2024-09-01 20:10:24	yann-kaelig	I'm only asking for pkgbuild if mesa should be listed or not
2024-09-01 20:15:10	yann-kaelig	so there is no need to add mesa in the depends list and libdrm, libglvnd are enough and will provide mesa as dep
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2024-09-01 18:17:23	yann-kaelig	There is something I do not understand about dependencies in PKGBUILD. For example some PKGBUILD has as depends seatd libseat.so, other only seatd and during my test I can only set libseat.so and the dep is found. Which one is correct and should be used ?
2024-09-01 18:18:24	yann-kaelig	If you have only explanation about that it's fine.
2024-09-01 18:18:29	yann-kaelig	only/online
2024-09-01 18:19:15	monkfish	yann-kaelig: they do different things. see the definition of depends in PKGBUILD(5).
2024-09-01 18:19:45	mefistofeles	yann-kaelig: it should be the package, so that's seatd, as far as I know
2024-09-01 18:22:28	monkfish	basically, include libseat.so if you're worried your package may depend on a major version of the library that can no longer be sastified by Arch at some juncture, and you don't trust yourself to recognise the fact during quality control, nor wish to specify a version constraint directly.
2024-09-01 18:22:37	yann-kaelig	Ok, so I have read the man PKGBUILD but there is no explanation, unless I missed something about when I should use libseatd.so and when I should use seatd and why in some pqckages both are used. 
2024-09-01 18:22:44	monkfish	there is an explanation.
2024-09-01 18:23:04	monkfish	why isn't the explanation of its function sufficient?
2024-09-01 18:24:12	monkfish	"If the dependency name appears to be a library (ends with .so), makepkg will try to find a binary that depends on the library in the built package and append the version needed by the binary"
2024-09-01 18:25:06	monkfish	in other words, it inspects the ELF binaries contained by the package and tries to infer an automatic version constraint for the package pertianing to the library in question.
2024-09-01 18:26:15	yann-kaelig	ok, fine, but now why should I use libseatd.so instead of seatd and why for example aquamarine use both ?
2024-09-01 18:26:33	monkfish	I don't know what I can say that hasn't already been said. libraries change over time.
2024-09-01 18:26:48	monkfish	for example, run ldd /bin/bash.
2024-09-01 18:27:22	monkfish	that links to libreadline.so.8, which is provided by readline. ok.
2024-09-01 18:27:37	monkfish	what if there is a hypothetical release of readline-9.0 in the future?
2024-09-01 18:27:51	monkfish	it's all but guaranteed that bash-5.2 can't be compiled against it.
2024-09-01 18:28:33	monkfish	at that point, you might think "perhaps it's a good idea to express the fact that readline 8 is required in depends".
2024-09-01 18:29:31	monkfish	writing libreadline.so in depends would have it try to inver the required major version automatically.
2024-09-01 18:29:50	monkfish	it's really more of a quality control thing. I wouldn't consider it to be a substitute for manual quality control.
2024-09-01 18:29:58	monkfish	infer*
2024-09-01 18:30:02	printfdebugging	Awesomewm is not for me :_) Moved back to DWM, and it feels good
2024-09-01 18:31:05	yann-kaelig	Mmm ok so in fact it will look at libseatd.so.version 
2024-09-01 18:33:00	ayekat	maybe implicitly mentioned somewhere I missed, but seatd also provides libseatd.so={version}, so other packages may depend on that---same for other packages that provide .so library files
2024-09-01 18:33:02	pulec	anyone using DaVinci Resolve? I am trying to add media path and it crashes every time I select one
2024-09-01 18:34:39	yann-kaelig	so when I write in depends=('libseatd.so') it will be linked to libseatd.so.1 
2024-09-01 18:35:22	yann-kaelig	but now what's the purpose in this case to add seatd too in the depends list
2024-09-01 18:35:24	monkfish	no. that's not how linking works.
2024-09-01 18:35:58	yann-kaelig	ha!...
2024-09-01 18:37:12	monkfish	the libraries to be linked to are governed primarily by the package's build system. makepkg can't just wave a magic wand and order a given makefile (or whatever) to link an ELF to something in particular.
2024-09-01 18:37:41	monkfish	still, it is the package manger's responsibility to ensure that the prequisites are satisfied, both build-time and runtime.
2024-09-01 18:39:06	pulec	hm it's borked on 19 and on 18, this is some mess!
2024-09-01 18:39:28	sunyibo	teraflops. I have. The EFI is on nvme0n1 and not sdb1
2024-09-01 18:40:37	monkfish	yann-kaelig: I can it this being particularly useful for packages that ship pre-compiled binaries. those can be very challenging to maintain, particularly in a fast moving rolling distro such as Arch.
2024-09-01 18:41:18	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/IGD4M how can I make it detect my EFI?
2024-09-01 18:41:21	phrik	Title: View paste IGD4M (at bpa.st)
2024-09-01 18:41:44	monkfish	for makepkg to be able to walk the ELFs and automatically compose version constraints for libraries known to be ABI-incompatible at regular intervals would definitely ease the pain there.
2024-09-01 18:45:19	sunyibo	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Windows_installed_in_UEFI/GPT_mode when I follow this, I get that https://bpa.st/ZYTQU
2024-09-01 18:45:20	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-01 18:45:52	pulec	solved! had missing opencl-nvidia
2024-09-01 18:55:05	pulec	but bah davinci is completely useless, can't handle any h264/h265 in free version and converting even a small file results in crazy big file, that's just bs
2024-09-01 18:55:08	pulec	kdenlive it is
2024-09-01 18:55:29	gehidore	kdenlive <$
2024-09-01 19:04:27	sunyibo	how can I fix this https://bpa.st/YT53Y
2024-09-01 19:04:31	phrik	Title: View paste YT53Y (at bpa.st)
2024-09-01 19:04:38	sunyibo	I'm trying to dual boot windows and arch
2024-09-01 19:05:49	mefistofeles	sunyibo: fix what exactly?
2024-09-01 19:06:22	sunyibo	make os-prober add an entry for my windows boot partition$
2024-09-01 19:07:44	mefistofeles	sunyibo: are you using the same EFI/boot partition for both systems?
2024-09-01 19:07:59	sunyibo	yes
2024-09-01 19:08:14	mefistofeles	oh yes, I can see that now hmm
2024-09-01 19:09:49	sunyibo	somehow it's looking for sdb1, but I have it on nvme0n1p1
2024-09-01 19:11:14	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/C5NFE
2024-09-01 19:11:17	phrik	Title: View paste C5NFE (at bpa.st)
2024-09-01 19:11:24	astralc	your --efi-directory is wrong
2024-09-01 19:11:30	astralc	it is /boot in your case
2024-09-01 19:12:32	sunyibo	yes, I've tried to add /EFI/ out of shere desperation
2024-09-01 19:13:24	mefistofeles	sunyibo: what are the contents of /boot then? 
2024-09-01 19:13:36	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/QNYSO
2024-09-01 19:13:39	phrik	Title: View paste QNYSO (at bpa.st)
2024-09-01 19:14:27	sunyibo	mefistofeles: https://bpa.st/RXDFI here you go
2024-09-01 19:14:32	phrik	Title: View paste RXDFI (at bpa.st)
2024-09-01 19:14:51	yann-kaelig	what are the rules when I'm writting the depends list. For example a software need at runtime libdrm, gl, egl, glesv2 . On arch linux mesa install wil also install libdrm and libglvnd. In this case is it enough to add mesa in the depends list or should I also add libdrm and libglvnd, and why.
2024-09-01 19:15:30	BrainDamage	do not use transitive dependencies
2024-09-01 19:15:39	BrainDamage	if the software needs all of them, list all of them
2024-09-01 19:15:46	yann-kaelig	ok, thx
2024-09-01 19:16:01	mefistofeles	sunyibo: what about inside EFI? You can use tree
2024-09-01 19:17:18	sunyibo	https://bpa.st/7ABJA
2024-09-01 19:17:21	phrik	Title: View paste 7ABJA (at bpa.st)
2024-09-01 19:18:23	astralc	I think the error on sdb is because the first partition missing type (also, it have 2 partitions with less size of the full disk)
2024-09-01 19:19:22	yann-kaelig	BrainDamage: So it comes another question in this case if the software do not list mesa but libdrm and libglvnd provide what the software need and also mesa as dep. should I add mesa in the depends list ?
2024-09-01 19:19:44	yann-kaelig	mesa as dep from archlinux
2024-09-01 19:20:01	sunyibo	astralc: sdb is just the arch install usb. the EFI is on nvme0n1p1
2024-09-01 19:24:02	yann-kaelig	nevermind, I found the answer
2024-09-01 19:29:55	ridjack	Am trying to overclock my AMD r7 360 with CoreCtrl. Kernel parameter has been set, verified with dmesg and cat, but CoreCtrl's adbanced mode still does not show the options it's supposed. Am out of ideas.
2024-09-01 19:37:22	lod	try it manually 
2024-09-01 19:37:33	BrainDamage	yann-kaelig: it's extremely rare that a software needs mesa explicitly, they usually require a opengl provider
2024-09-01 19:56:06	yann-kaelig	That interesting : If I do not list mesa in the depends list but only libglvnd I get this output from pacman : "
2024-09-01 19:56:08	yann-kaelig	resolving dependencies... looking for conflicting packages... warning: dependency cycle detected: warning: mesa will be installed before its libglvnd dependency. So my idea was to add mesa first in the depends list but now I get  : warning: dependency cycle detected: 
2024-09-01 19:56:10	yann-kaelig	warning: libglvnd will be installed before its mesa dependency
2024-09-01 19:56:52	yann-kaelig	it's pacman  joke :D
2024-09-01 20:04:55	BrainDamage	again, usually a software don't need mesa explicitly
2024-09-01 20:05:03	BrainDamage	what software is it?
2024-09-01 20:08:49	yann-kaelig	louvre a c++ library for wayland
2024-09-01 20:09:30	yann-kaelig	but you right mesa it not listed only opengl things
2024-09-01 20:10:24	yann-kaelig	I'm only asking for pkgbuild if mesa should be listed or not
2024-09-01 20:15:10	yann-kaelig	so there is no need to add mesa in the depends list and libdrm, libglvnd are enough and will provide mesa as dep
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2024-09-01 20:44:36	BrainDamage	you don't want to request for mesa, mesa is a SPECIFIC opengl/vulkan implementation
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2024-09-01 20:45:17	BrainDamage	mesa can provide ( pkgbuild mechanism ) the libgl implementation
2024-09-01 20:45:27	BrainDamage	the user will pick a valid libgl, but that's up to the user, not you
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2024-09-01 20:56:21	yann-kaelig	yhx.
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2024-09-02 01:48:38	vk8a8	running/enabling clamav-freshclam.service returns no errors, but does not actually start, because it DOES have errors. output of running '$ systemctl status clamav-freshclam.service' : https://0x0.st/Xwrb.txt
2024-09-02 01:52:13	mefistofeles	bluetail: oh yeah, I meant in wayland
2024-09-02 01:52:14	Strykar	vk8a8: searching for the first line of that error log brings you to - https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=292252  Seems you need to create the empty log and chown it to the clamav user
2024-09-02 01:52:15	phrik	Title: [Solved]clamav-freshclam.service failed to start / Applications & Desktop Environments / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-09-02 01:56:35	vk8a8	Strykar: so i would run "chown clamav /var/log/clamav/freshclam.log"? just making sure
2024-09-02 01:57:06	Strykar	vk8a8: the last post has the solution, you need to create the file, touch works
2024-09-02 01:57:21	renerthr	Hi. Section number 2 of this page says that you're supposed to put some stuff in your /usr/local directory. Is that an OK thing to do? The /usr/ directory is supposed to be for system-wide installations, no?  
2024-09-02 01:57:24	renerthr	https://lift.cs.princeton.edu/java/linux/
2024-09-02 01:57:29	phrik	Title: Hello World in Java (Linux) (at lift.cs.princeton.edu)
2024-09-02 01:59:01	vk8a8	Strykar: ah, thank you.
2024-09-02 01:59:49	Strykar	vk8a8: np, you can confirm the clamav user by inspecting the service: systemctl cat clamav-freshclam
2024-09-02 02:01:03	vk8a8	where would the user be listed? i dont see it written anywhere?
2024-09-02 02:01:17	Strykar	pastebin the output
2024-09-02 02:01:57	vk8a8	http://0x0.st/Xwr2.txt
2024-09-02 02:03:13	Strykar	renerthr: man 7 file-hierarchy
2024-09-02 02:03:55	Strykar	vk8a8: what about: systemctl cat clamav
2024-09-02 02:04:27	renerthr	Strykar: I'm reading the manpage now. But what's the rationale of the author behind telling the user "here, put this stuff into your /usr/local/ directory. And btw, don't forget to use sudo" ?
2024-09-02 02:05:06	Strykar	renerthr: because both are correct instructions
2024-09-02 02:05:14	vk8a8	Strykar: returns "No files found for clamav.service."
2024-09-02 02:06:00	vk8a8	should i try rebooting?
2024-09-02 02:06:48	Strykar	vk8a8: pacman -Ql|service should show you the services it has installed may be called something else, been a long time since I used clamav
2024-09-02 02:06:59	Strykar	pacman -Ql
2024-09-02 02:07:00	renerthr	Strykar: if they are correct instructions, why is it the first time I see them? usually the correct instructions are "use pacman, or the package manager of your distro"
2024-09-02 02:07:14	Strykar	ffs: pacman -Ql | grep service
2024-09-02 02:08:22	Strykar	renerthr: if you can package the software for Arch, by all means do it
2024-09-02 02:08:52	Strykar	if not, copying the binaries to /usr/local/bin is a good choice for your own binaries
2024-09-02 02:09:36	renerthr	Strykar: why not copying the binaries to `$HOME/.local/bin` instead? Why is `/usr/local/` supposed to be better?
2024-09-02 02:10:09	Strykar	because it saves the step of teaching newbies how to add a dir to $PATH
2024-09-02 02:10:29	Strykar	I use ~/.bin myself
2024-09-02 02:10:50	vk8a8	Strykar: clamav-freshclam.service clamav-freshclam-once.service clamav-daemon.service and clamav-clamonacc.service are all that show up under clamav.i think i got all the instructions right as from the wiki,maybe i should reboot or reinstall clamav.
2024-09-02 02:11:19	renerthr	Strykar: that was the answer I was looking for! 
2024-09-02 02:11:49	Strykar	vk8a8: "systemctl cat clamav-daemon.service" if not, cat the other services for user=clamav or something
2024-09-02 02:12:31	renerthr	Strykar: thank you! I should put it in $HOME/.bin then, right? (I already know how to add stuff to my $PATH) Why is that better than /usr/local/ ?
2024-09-02 02:14:22	Strykar	renerthr: neither is objectively better, folks prefer a PATH under ~ because it doesnt require sudo to copy the binary over
2024-09-02 02:14:30	vk8a8	returns a similar,. i think the user doesn't list. im not really that familliar with using things like systemctl as i just got into arch recently.. should it have something said like User=clamav:clamav ?
2024-09-02 02:15:11	renerthr	Strykar: sounds good. I avoid sudo whenever I can  
2024-09-02 02:16:10	renerthr	Strykar: the manpage you sent me, it says "OS using systemd have this hierarchy [...]". So that means OpenRC doesn't have the same hierarchy? What are the major differences? 
2024-09-02 02:17:11	Strykar	vk8a8: grep clam /etc/passwd
2024-09-02 02:17:40	vk8a8	clamav❌64:64:Clam AntiVirus:/:/usr/bin/nologin
2024-09-02 02:18:12	renerthr	and why is it that the file hierarchy depends on the init system? I thought it depended on the kernel version, not on the init system  
2024-09-02 02:19:17	Strykar	vk8a8: grep User /etc/clam*.conf should show it - https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/clamav/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads#L71
2024-09-02 02:19:18	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / clamav · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-09-02 02:20:05	vk8a8	grep: /etc/clam*.conf: No such file or directory     bash doesnt like the wildcard?
2024-09-02 02:21:38	monkfish	it means that the glob didn't match anything, simply expanding as itself.
2024-09-02 02:21:50	Strykar	renerthr: While the kernel and init system play roles in how the system functions and where certain files might be placed, the overarching file hierarchy is dictated by standards like the FHS, ensuring a consistent structure across different Linux distributions. The FHS defines directories such as /bin, /sbin, /etc, /usr and /var but not /etc/systemd/system/ or /run/systemd/ for example
2024-09-02 02:22:11	Strykar	vk8a8: pls take a minute to find the file, "ls /etc/clam*" then grep it for User
2024-09-02 02:25:13	Namarrgon	Check the .service unit, that is often what dictates which user the service is being run as or which further restricts what the service may do.
2024-09-02 02:27:21	vk8a8	Strykar: three files in /etc/clamav which are clamav-milter.conf, clamd.conf, and freshclam.conf. grepping clamav-milter.conf and clamd.conf for User returns "User clamav" (without quotes) for both, and grepping freshclam.conf returns a bunch of comments and nothing else.
2024-09-02 02:28:01	Strykar	so your clamav user is indeed called clamav, the last post on the arch forum at the start of our conversation will work
2024-09-02 02:29:22	vk8a8	Strykar: yes, now it does return with chown: changing ownership of '/var/log/clamav/freshclam.log': Operation not permitted
2024-09-02 02:29:41	vk8a8	oops, i forgot sudo. sorry
2024-09-02 02:31:09	vk8a8	Strykar: so, it should work thank you. i don't know why it didnt work the first time, sorry for spending your time.
2024-09-02 02:31:42	Strykar	vk8a8: yw, you show those viruses good
2024-09-02 02:40:05	renerthr	Strykar: you said you create a `.bin` directory inside $HOME? How did you choose that name? I mean, the dot before `bin`. Normally it's $HOME/bin , without the dot. I tried googling it, but found no results talking about adding a dot before `bin`  
2024-09-02 02:41:22	Strykar	renerthr: , its not canon, you can name it anything you like, folks prefer something they can recall, so ~/.sexyexecutables may not be as easy to remember 6 months after you stuffed some bash scripts in there
2024-09-02 02:49:05	renerthr	Strykar: cool, thanks
2024-09-02 02:56:49	gehidore	Lot of folks do .local/bin 
2024-09-02 02:57:46	chikuwasuka	.local/bin is supposed to mirror /usr/bin the way .local/share mirrors /usr/share.
2024-09-02 02:57:58	Strykar	I just never got the point of .local inside ~
2024-09-02 02:58:15	Strykar	as opposed to what ~/.sbin?
2024-09-02 02:58:51	renerthr	Strykar: what's the meaning of the letter "s" before bin? 
2024-09-02 02:59:35	Strykar	superuser
2024-09-02 03:00:34	mrbcmorris	was that meant for binaries that only root runs or things that are shared across all users
2024-09-02 03:00:48	Strykar	chikuwasuka: where did you hear that?
2024-09-02 03:01:58	Strykar	mrbcmorris: Historically, the distinction between /bin and /sbin was made to separate user-level commands from system-level commands back when disk space was measured in precious MBs
2024-09-02 03:02:40	chikuwasuka	Strykar: i know people who are picky enough that they have their .cache renamed to .local/var :P
2024-09-02 03:02:56	Strykar	that doesnt mean its right or even suggested 
2024-09-02 03:03:09	renerthr	Strykar: so the letter "s" in sbin stands for "system", and not "superuser", right? 
2024-09-02 03:05:05	Strykar	they are interchangeable
2024-09-02 03:15:41	ElderFut1ark	Where is the PGP signature file for the latest ISO release (2024.09.01)? The current link on the downloads page returns a 404 error.
2024-09-02 03:17:31	Strykar	ElderFut1ark: in the same directory as the ISO, it exists, your mirror is prolly out of sync
2024-09-02 03:21:11	ElderFut1ark	I've checked multiple mirrors as well as the main link on the Arch Linux site https://archlinux.org/iso/2024.09.01/archlinux-2024.09.01-x86_64.iso.sig. It's not there.
2024-09-02 03:24:57	shreven	Yeah I'm getting 404 as well on all the mirrors I've tried
2024-09-02 03:26:30	demure	I'd say try again tomorrow then, as presumably the issue would be resolved by then.
2024-09-02 03:31:37	Strykar	hmm, its not synced here too, odd. demure: is it common to ship the sig a day after the iso release? I've never noticed but never ran into this issue myself
2024-09-02 03:32:35	demure	*shrug* oops' happen in life. and things time some time to be corrected once found.
2024-09-02 04:33:21	mefistofeles	first update without crashes in a while :P 
2024-09-02 04:45:47	Zepplin	Heyo
2024-09-02 04:46:22	Zepplin	Anyone have any expirence dealing with mouse lag/general off feeling when using Wayland? Doesn't happen with X11. Latest nvidia propertary drivers for a 5080
2024-09-02 04:46:41	Zepplin	4080*
2024-09-02 04:48:18	Strykar	nope, I have an issue with the mouse speed being too fast in the UEFI and pre GDM login
2024-09-02 05:52:15	faqqotretard	!paste
2024-09-02 05:52:15	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-09-02 05:52:51	faqqotretard	!0x0
2024-09-02 05:52:51	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-09-02 05:53:45	faqqotretard	don't wanna have my laptop without a login when waking from suspend 
2024-09-02 05:54:42	faqqotretard	using x11 dwm, any pointer to where i should look setting up a login screen before anyone is promted into the desktop on wake
2024-09-02 06:09:25	dcb	something like `xscreensaver`?
2024-09-02 06:16:36	chikuwasuka	xss-lock will do that for you depending on what screen locker you use. well, that's on a single user system anyway.
2024-09-02 06:17:06	novns	Zepplin, I have a possible solution for your problem, but you asked a question and left
2024-09-02 06:17:32	faqqotretard	zen_desu: nig
2024-09-02 06:18:18	renerthr	Hi. Is CursorEditor in the AUR? If I search "cursor", I get hundreds of unrelated results.  
2024-09-02 06:18:20	renerthr	https://www.cursor.com/
2024-09-02 06:18:21	phrik	Title: Cursor (at www.cursor.com)
2024-09-02 06:20:30	chikuwasuka	renerthr: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/cursor-bin
2024-09-02 06:20:32	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - cursor-bin (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-09-02 06:21:03	renerthr	chikuwasuka: thank you!
2024-09-02 06:21:46	renerthr	chikuwasuka: what command did you use to find it? 
2024-09-02 06:22:13	chikuwasuka	renerthr: just typed !aur cursor in duckduckgo, it's the 5th most recently updated
2024-09-02 06:22:29	chikuwasuka	searching the aur directly is the same
2024-09-02 06:24:14	renerthr	chikuwasuka: what does it mean for an AUR package to be one of the most recently updated? Is it good that it gets updated often? Or does it mean that it's too experimental? Or something else? 
2024-09-02 06:26:23	chikuwasuka	it just means that the build process changed. some packages don't "update" for years despite being actively developed, because the PKGBUILD mainly just pulls from a git repo with a fixed address. 
2024-09-02 06:26:55	chikuwasuka	cursor is a proprietary binary so i assumed it'd likely be updated more recently.
2024-09-02 06:28:46	dumbledoor	I am using a separate user postgres to access psql the postgresql cli. For this I have to login as postgres on a new terminal. Which command is more suitable for this `su postgres` or `su --login postgres`?
2024-09-02 06:29:08	bluetail	why su at all
2024-09-02 06:29:17	bluetail	why is it not running rootless
2024-09-02 06:29:54	dumbledoor	by not running rootless do you mean from a regular user?
2024-09-02 06:30:58	bluetail	idk I am confused
2024-09-02 06:31:10	bluetail	su allows commands to be run with a substitute user and group ID.
2024-09-02 06:31:17	bluetail	but no clue where you are using any of it
2024-09-02 06:31:33	bluetail	When called with no user specified, su defaults to running an interactive shell as root
2024-09-02 06:31:37	renerthr	chikuwasuka: so proprietary binaries need to be updated more often in the AUR?  
2024-09-02 06:31:38	bluetail	so stop running as root lol
2024-09-02 06:33:02	zen_desu	faqqotretard: ?
2024-09-02 06:35:26	dumbledoor	bluetail: i saw somewhere in postgres documentation that it's better to run psql from the postgres user. i can't find it right now. since i am passing postgres as argument to su it will run the interactive shell as postgres
2024-09-02 06:35:51	dumbledoor	but i dunno if i should use the --login flag or not. is the flag overkill
2024-09-02 06:36:09	faqqotretard	man it
2024-09-02 06:36:52	bluetail	dumbledoor I am a bit confused by it. That's all. idk, can somebody else inspect it?
2024-09-02 06:37:16	Strykar	dumbledoor: you do not want to run anything as root, least of all a db. the arch package should create the systemd unit with the appropriate user/group and elevated permissions
2024-09-02 06:38:28	dumbledoor	i am not running postgres as root but as the postgres user. is what i am doing considered as running postgres as root in some other way?
2024-09-02 06:38:39	chikuwasuka	renerthr: not my area of expertise. if you're concerned about security issues then just stay on top of any news about the program, since you won't be able to track issues. i usually update aur packages once a month myself.
2024-09-02 06:39:15	novns	bluetail, postgresql can be configured to use peer auth method, so it looks for your system user name
2024-09-02 06:39:56	novns	bluetail, then you have to use su or sudo to connect
2024-09-02 06:40:04	bluetail	I see
2024-09-02 06:41:33	faqqotretard	what am I doing wrong?
2024-09-02 06:41:34	novns	the proper solution is to create a postgresql user with the same name as your system login
2024-09-02 06:41:47	novns	and give it some permissions
2024-09-02 06:43:00	dumbledoor	wdym by system login? the regular i login from day to day
2024-09-02 06:43:10	novns	yes
2024-09-02 06:43:21	novns	but in Arch postgresql uses the trust method, it just accepts any connection from any user
2024-09-02 06:43:30	Strykar	sure the postgres arch wiki page has all the details
2024-09-02 06:44:01	novns	(uses by default)
2024-09-02 06:45:47	dumbledoor	novns: can i connect to the psql cli tool from any user too?
2024-09-02 06:48:11	novns	dumbledoor, you don't connect to psql tool, you run psql and it does connect
2024-09-02 06:48:43	dumbledoor	but i will have to do from the postgres user specifically or not?
2024-09-02 06:50:30	novns	dumbledoor, you have to specify the correct --username
2024-09-02 06:51:52	novns	so you can use `psql --username postgres` if you use "trust" method
2024-09-02 06:53:14	dumbledoor	ohh i see, i was talking about users in terms of system users not postgresql database users. that's why su is not needed after creating a new postgres database user
2024-09-02 06:54:19	dumbledoor	thanks
2024-09-02 07:03:27	TheDcoder	Help! My X stopped booting suddenly without any changes: https://paste.rs/XZBSj.log
2024-09-02 07:04:54	Edu4rdSHL	Report that to Elon Musk
2024-09-02 07:05:01	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2024-09-02 07:05:06	TheDcoder	lol
2024-09-02 07:05:15	⚡ 	virtualsid facepalms
2024-09-02 07:06:04	TheDcoder	The segmentfault backtrace contains some nvidia functions
2024-09-02 07:06:26	TheDcoder	but I did not update any packages since it last worked yesterday
2024-09-02 07:08:06	virtualsid	gonna ask the most annoying question - did you reboot in between? If not, can you?
2024-09-02 07:09:30	TheDcoder	yes, did that multiple times, even did pacman -Syu just in case
2024-09-02 07:10:52	virtualsid	I don't know how to debug that file, but I'd start with with investigating the EE or WW lines at the very least...
2024-09-02 07:11:07	noobaroo	Is CachyOS supported by this channel?
2024-09-02 07:11:41	virtualsid	do you normally have acpid running, TheDcoder?
2024-09-02 07:11:51	TheDcoder	Okay, it's the cachyos kernel which is being funny, the Zen kernel works fine
2024-09-02 07:12:00	TheDcoder	noobaroo: nope
2024-09-02 07:12:11	virtualsid	noobaroo: oh, I didn't notice it was cachyos
2024-09-02 07:15:10	noobaroo	CachyOS and Hyprland are two recent linux hypes/drama/popular discussion that I keep hearing but haven't tried myself. Maybe i will try out their liveISO if they have one. How long have you been using CachyOS? 
2024-09-02 07:15:40	TheDcoder	I'm just using the kernel
2024-09-02 07:16:12	TheDcoder	I guess I'll stick to Zen again
2024-09-02 07:16:23	TheDcoder	had my phase of using custom kernels, lol
2024-09-02 07:16:51	TheDcoder	virtualsid: regarding your acpid question, no, but what is it?
2024-09-02 07:19:29	noobaroo	TheDcoder you're using the kernel for ZFS modules?
2024-09-02 07:21:43	TheDcoder	nope, performance
2024-09-02 07:22:58	MidorinOcha	yo Pot pourri, nice name
2024-09-02 07:23:31	MidorinOcha	also, what's up nerds
2024-09-02 07:34:42	virtualsid	TheDcoder: power management stuff, but I only ask because it was the first error or warning.
2024-09-02 08:42:39	ChiefMooMoo	I've been having trouble with firefox and google docs lately. The cursor seems to randomly jump around when I'm trying to type. The issue doesn't seem to exist in Chromium. Any ideas about what might be causing the problem?
2024-09-02 08:45:06	axq	could be an extension, maybe setting gfx.canvas.accelerated might help too
2024-09-02 08:45:21	axq	or try to adjust the zoom level a bit 
2024-09-02 10:10:24	Furai	It there any command to delete gnome tracker cache?
2024-09-02 10:10:40	Furai	Or is it ok just to delete the `.cache/tracker3` folder?
2024-09-02 10:34:10	bluetail	ChiefMooMoo check if its running on xwayland or wayland
2024-09-02 10:36:53	MrElendig	Furai: tracker3-reset
2024-09-02 10:37:11	MrElendig	Furai: you can also drop specific paths using tracker3-index
2024-09-02 10:48:01	Furai	MrElendig: thanks!
2024-09-02 10:51:01	bluetail	specifying the bus in ddcutil really helped speed it up. Can it even be made faster? Or does it now only depend on the display? ddcutil setvcp 60 0x11 --bus 9 --sleep-multiplier 0.5 &
2024-09-02 10:51:30	bluetail	I mean sleep modifier can be put to 0.01 to
2024-09-02 10:52:00	bluetail	well I gotta read man page
2024-09-02 10:54:19	bluetail	 --disable-dynamic-sleep is actually slower than multiplier put to 0.01
2024-09-02 10:57:45	bluetail	maybe I should look into using udevadm instead of lsusb for my checks
2024-09-02 11:12:02	bluetail	well maybe its not something I should care lol. time -p lsusb  0.00s user 0.00s system 72% cpu 0.001 total
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2024-09-02 11:53:59	dumbledoor	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KRunner#Search_by_titles_without_full_windows_list mentions a Custom Shortcuts menu. I don't see any in my System Settings: https://imgbb.com/. Is the linked page out of date or my system settings broken?
2024-09-02 11:54:00	phrik	Title: KRunner - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-02 11:54:18	dumbledoor	https://ibb.co/PhY3nF0
2024-09-02 11:54:20	phrik	Title: image hosted at ImgBB — ImgBB (at ibb.co)
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2024-09-02 12:06:05	abhimanyu	do y'all use shfmt to format your shell files?
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2024-09-02 12:09:09	mpan	No. My keyboard came with the Tab key, between ~ and CapsLock, just by Q.
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2024-09-02 12:14:24	susi	abhimanyu: absolutely not
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2024-09-02 12:18:44	Ingar	never heard about shfmt. Just tested it on a shell script I'm writing. Comes out exactly is I wrote it
2024-09-02 12:20:00	Ingar	also, it seems to actually change stuff
2024-09-02 12:20:26	Ingar	adds unwanted spaces, replaces `` with $()
2024-09-02 12:35:02	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-02 12:36:27	Earnestly	Wonder if it handles `cmd \`cmd\` ...` nested escaping
2024-09-02 12:36:50	Earnestly	Also wonder if it works with `# comment`
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2024-09-02 12:40:33	teraflops	hmm, there is a file I cannot delete, I tried every thing, I fscke'd the disk, tried to remove even from the arch iso, I cannot change permissions either
2024-09-02 12:41:04	teraflops	it's not immutable
2024-09-02 12:41:56	demonicmaniac1	filesystem type, filename, weird special characters, special device file... gonna need a lot more info
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2024-09-02 12:42:21	teraflops	it's called just test.txt
2024-09-02 12:42:49	teraflops	no spaces at the beginning or end 
2024-09-02 12:43:06	bluetail	teraflops boot into a live stick and be done with
2024-09-02 12:43:15	bluetail	mount your disk and done
2024-09-02 12:43:18	teraflops	already tried it
2024-09-02 12:43:20	bluetail	otherwise u may lose lots of time
2024-09-02 12:43:26	bluetail	you what?
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2024-09-02 12:43:44	teraflops	I said above
2024-09-02 12:43:46	bluetail	ok, maybe defective disk incoming? end of knowledge. Maybe theres a way.
2024-09-02 12:43:50	teraflops	already tried ftom the arch iso
2024-09-02 12:43:58	bluetail	usually just open thunar and delete it
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2024-09-02 12:44:47	mpan	teraflops: what is the error, to start with? Does the journal print any errors during the operation? What file system?
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2024-09-02 12:45:20	teraflops	ext4 no error at all in journal
2024-09-02 12:45:34	mpan	What is the error in the command line?
2024-09-02 12:45:35	teraflops	not appearing i lsof but
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2024-09-02 12:46:22	teraflops	rm: cannot remove 'test.txt': Operation not permitted
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2024-09-02 12:47:31	teraflops	I also tried to remove by inode same result
2024-09-02 12:48:27	bluetail	teraflops who owns the file
2024-09-02 12:48:30	mpan	teraflops: what’s directory’s permissions?
2024-09-02 12:48:32	bluetail	is it 1001?
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2024-09-02 12:48:58	teraflops	-rw-r--r-- 1 teraflops teraflops 0 jul 22 16:47 test.txt
2024-09-02 12:49:16	mpan	> 0 jul
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2024-09-02 12:49:28	mpan	Oh, wait, this is size. Me stupid. :D
2024-09-02 12:49:41	teraflops	it's empty yeah
2024-09-02 12:49:44	yann-kaelig	Hello
2024-09-02 12:49:51	mpan	No, what I mean is that my brain initially took that as a date.
2024-09-02 12:50:08	teraflops	I'm about to order a new nvme and fir at this one I guess
2024-09-02 12:50:23	bluetail	output of id -u teraflops
2024-09-02 12:50:23	teraflops	I'm about to order a new nvme and format at this one I guess
2024-09-02 12:50:36	teraflops	1000
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2024-09-02 12:52:34	teraflops	mpan: a week ago I deleted windows and extended linux partition, it could be that that file got botked somehow?
2024-09-02 12:52:46	teraflops	borked^
2024-09-02 12:53:25	bluetail	afaik windows only overwrites the EFI
2024-09-02 12:53:39	mpan	teraflops: I doubt that.
2024-09-02 12:53:41	bluetail	What specific SSD do you have?
2024-09-02 12:53:48	bluetail	I known of sudden read-only states
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2024-09-02 12:54:14	bluetail	but if you can write somewhere else, that indicates you could possibly have parts of the ssd that are already having surface defects
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2024-09-02 12:54:33	bluetail	OR it can be that the extent of the file is physically not present, only as a ref
2024-09-02 12:54:53	mpan	teraflops: can you post the full output of `lsattr test.text` and `lsattr -d directory_with_that_file` ?
2024-09-02 12:54:55	bluetail	so you would see the file as metadata, but you could never delete it
2024-09-02 12:55:01	bluetail	mpan thats a good idea
2024-09-02 12:55:05	teraflops	omw
2024-09-02 12:56:19	yann-kaelig	So, I'm reading the DEPENDS chapter from https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PKGBUILD and I have to say that foo bar baz doesn't help at all to understand the thing and the undesired behavior. Can someone take a real use case in the list of arch packages to explain this undesired behavior. Thx
2024-09-02 12:56:20	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-02 12:56:33	teraflops	https://paste.priet.us/6i26/
2024-09-02 12:56:40	teraflops	what is that "a"?
2024-09-02 12:56:53	mpan	teraflops: also, by “unlikely” I don’t mean it’s impossible, but it’s not my first thought that resizing would cause that very peculiar error and only on that specific file.
2024-09-02 12:57:04	mpan	teraflops: append-only
2024-09-02 12:57:14	mpan	(IIRC, lemme check)
2024-09-02 12:57:50	mpan	teraflops: `sudo chattr -a test.txt`
2024-09-02 12:57:58	teraflops	yeah ;)
2024-09-02 12:58:07	Namarrgon	yann-kaelig: Which part do you need help with?
2024-09-02 12:58:08	teraflops	yes!!!!
2024-09-02 12:58:11	mpan	Also, the name of the file suggests somebody (>_>) was testing something. ;)
2024-09-02 12:58:14	teraflops	mpan: tyvm!!!!!
2024-09-02 12:58:30	bluetail	lol
2024-09-02 12:58:45	bluetail	fun way to mess around on somebodies pc
2024-09-02 12:58:49	teraflops	hehe
2024-09-02 12:58:51	bluetail	make a append only file
2024-09-02 12:59:03	teraflops	I still do not know how that file ended like that
2024-09-02 12:59:22	yann-kaelig	Namarrgon: Hello, The DEPENDS part,. I need an example with arch packages instead of unreal foo bar baz as explained in the wiki
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2024-09-02 13:00:24	Namarrgon	yann-kaelig: All packages in the arch repos use depends=
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2024-09-02 13:03:12	yann-kaelig	I mean I would like an example with real packages insead of foo bar baz to be able to reproduce the undesirable behavior in my computer
2024-09-02 13:03:25	Namarrgon	What undesirable behaviour?
2024-09-02 13:04:22	yann-kaelig	This is exactly what I'm trying to understand and foo bar baz doesn't help
2024-09-02 13:04:52	Namarrgon	Open any official PKGBUILD and you will get an example for depends=
2024-09-02 13:06:10	Antiz	mingdao: That just means you have to declare every first level dependency to avoid such "undesired behavior" (cc yann-kaelig)
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2024-09-02 13:06:37	yann-kaelig	I have some issue with english so it's a little more difficult to understand that why I need a real use case that I could test in my computer with real packges to understand the undesirable behavior
2024-09-02 13:06:53	Namarrgon	So we're talking about transitive dependencies?
2024-09-02 13:06:55	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-02 13:06:56	yann-kaelig	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PKGBUILD#depends
2024-09-02 13:06:56	Namarrgon	mingdao: Is this the continuation of some older thread or how did you get that out of yann-kaelig's message?
2024-09-02 13:06:58	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-02 13:07:33	Antiz	yann-kaelig: But what "undesirable behavior" are you referring to? The "depends=" array is just a list additional packages your package depends on (to build and run properly). There's not much more to it.
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2024-09-02 13:08:51	Antiz	If it's about the part mingdao mentions, then it just means that you have to declare *every* dependencies your package needs (and not omit certain dependencies on purpose just because they are already pulled by another one).
2024-09-02 13:08:53	yann-kaelig	I don't know what to say more than on the wiki..  DEPENDS : "The depends array should list all direct first level dependencies even when some are already declared transitively. For instance, if a package foo depends on both bar and baz, and the bar package depends in turn on baz too, it will ultimately lead to UNDESIRABLE BEHAVIOR if bar stops pulling in baz. "
2024-09-02 13:09:07	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-02 13:09:15	Antiz	yann-kaelig: Yeah then, that's what I explains above.
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2024-09-02 13:10:01	yann-kaelig	I know htat but I'm asking for a real use case taken from the arch packages list to understand it.
2024-09-02 13:10:09	Antiz	yann-kaelig: This is pretty much self explanatory and looking at "a real use case" won't help.
2024-09-02 13:10:15	Antiz	Because this is pretty implicit...
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2024-09-02 13:11:39	Antiz	yann-kaelig: I can try to explain it to you, but I'll pretty much repeat what's in the wiki already?.
2024-09-02 13:11:50	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-02 13:11:54	yann-kaelig	I just want an example taken from a arch packages.
2024-09-02 13:12:03	Antiz	yann-kaelig: There are no such example...
2024-09-02 13:12:14	Antiz	Or rather, you won't see that it's an example
2024-09-02 13:12:28	Antiz	This is not something really explicit in PKGBUILDs
2024-09-02 13:12:57	BrainDamage	you won't see an example because it's a bad thing and arch packages don't do it
2024-09-02 13:13:18	BrainDamage	so only artificial examples have that
2024-09-02 13:13:24	mpan	yann-kaelig: grab a piece of paper and [ball]pen and draw the situation.
2024-09-02 13:13:43	yann-kaelig	So, explain the bas thing with a real packages I can understand and compar ewith the good thing to understand it, 'cause foo bar baz doesn't help
2024-09-02 13:13:49	yann-kaelig	das/bad
2024-09-02 13:13:57	mpan	There is no “real world example”, because this is exactly what should never appear in real world.
2024-09-02 13:14:15	Antiz	yann-kaelig: Just replace foo bar baz by "package 1", "package 2" and "package 3" if that helps.
2024-09-02 13:14:37	Antiz	yann-kaelig: So you build "package 1" that depends on "package 2" and "package 
2024-09-02 13:14:40	mpan	So please get a piece of paper and something to write, and draw the situation as a graph.
2024-09-02 13:14:52	Antiz	(woops, didn't meant to send that unfinished message)
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2024-09-02 13:15:32	BrainDamage	example: your package depends on gstreamer and phonon, you only add phonon thinking it's sufficient; phonon used to depend on gstreamer, now it depends on vlc instead, your package is broken now after updating phonon
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2024-09-02 13:17:11	Antiz	yann-kaelig: So you build "package 1" that depends on "package 2" and "package 3". "Package 2" itself also depends on "package 3". As such, you would be tempted to only declare "package 2" as a dependency (since it already depends on "package 3" itself and will thus pull it already); but that's wrong. Because the "package 3" dependency might be
2024-09-02 13:17:12	Antiz	dropped from "package 2" at some point (for whatever reason), leading to your "package 1" being broken (since the "package 3" dependency is not pulled by "package 2" anymore).
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2024-09-02 13:18:16	yann-kaelig	BrainDamage: Hello Thank you. That a beginning that can help me. 
2024-09-02 13:18:38	Antiz	yann-kaelig: In other words, you should generally declare *every* dependencies needed by your package and don't count on some dependencies to pull the rest of them (to avoid the above situation). Hope it's clearer :)
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2024-09-02 13:21:01	yann-kaelig	BrainDamage: You helped me yesterday and I read you last answer about mesa, that why today I start to investigate but I'm sorry there is still something I do not understand. You said "you don't want to request for mesa, mesa is a SPECIFIC opengl/vulkan implementation" Ther is a big chance that  Idid not understand. I was looking at some packages , for example hyprland, but mesa is listed in the
2024-09-02 13:21:01	yann-kaelig	depends list. 
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2024-09-02 13:30:01	yann-kaelig	In my case the dependenciies list provided by the software developer is EGL GLES DRM, so in my depends list I add libglvnd libdrm and also mesa. So lets say I do not add mesa in the depends list, what would be the issue that could happen. 
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2024-09-02 13:38:06	Namarrgon	hyprland is not a good example for this as it depends on mesa _and_ opengl-driver. Which is either a mistake or it really depends on mesa and won't build/run with alternatives.
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2024-09-02 13:44:01	yann-kaelig	Namarrgon: Ok, I see. My bad then I took a bad example. So lets focus on my case with the dev list of dependencies. I'm sorry if I have some issue to understand the thing, because there is the point of view of the dev and the packages provided from arch. If I look at the dev only I would add only libglvnd and libdrm in the depens list, but is it right at the arch pkgbuild point of view. Also is
2024-09-02 13:44:01	yann-kaelig	mesa the "The depends array 
2024-09-02 13:44:03	yann-kaelig	should list all direct first level dependencies" as explained in the wiki ?
2024-09-02 13:46:32	yann-kaelig	What is a direct first level dep. libglvnd and libdrm from the dev point of view ? Is it mesa from arch packages point of view ?
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2024-09-02 13:49:13	Namarrgon	Due to history~ the opengl stack is a mess, don't use it to learn about best practices for packaging.
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2024-09-02 13:49:44	Namarrgon	At one point you had to decide whether you wanted to have mesa as the opengl implementation or whether you wanted nvidia.
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2024-09-02 13:50:29	Namarrgon	The rise of multi-gpu systems such as optimus required the implementations to be installable in parallel and the opengl vendor be selectable at runtime.
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2024-09-02 13:51:07	Namarrgon	That's where the tangled mess of opengl-driver/libglvnd/mesa and all the other virtual dependencies is coming from.
2024-09-02 13:51:33	Betal	if a dep is _only needed_ to build the package, it will be in makedepends array, not in depends, example: libglvnd is in mesa makedepends
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2024-09-02 13:55:08	Namarrgon	You need opengl at runtime? depend on libglvnd( it depends on opengl-driver and pacman will do that right thing pulling in the right driver), if you need opengl headers at build-time then pull in mesa as a makedepend.
2024-09-02 13:55:56	Namarrgon	The target system will end up with mesa getting installed either way but that's not your problem.
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2024-09-02 15:08:39	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-02 14:54:06	ElderFuthark	I wanted to follow up on an issue from yesterday. Every mirror I've tried (including the archlinux.org downloads page) is returning a 404 error for the ISO PGP signature file.
2024-09-02 14:54:27	Foxboron	ElderFuthark: Known issue, a signature will be uploaded later today
2024-09-02 15:08:40	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-02 15:33:38	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-02 16:36:51	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-02 16:56:52	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-02 17:19:11	violetjewel	command line .. want to send email (actually from neovim but same difference). Should I use exim? What's a good way to do that?
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2024-09-02 17:35:05	violetjewel	net split net split net split
2024-09-02 17:55:17	bookworm	violetjewel: any null mailer... msmtp is probably the easiest to setup
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2024-09-02 20:03:52	violetjewel	bookworm: gmail is a pita. they disabled smtp pretty much, but you can use app password. maybe I'll try protonmail and see if that works
2024-09-02 20:04:25	bluetail	violetjewel all e-mail is to be treated as open book
2024-09-02 20:04:56	bluetail	unfortunately, many people still share confidential info over it
2024-09-02 20:05:07	topcat001	oauth2 works fine with gmail - I use it from mutt
2024-09-02 20:05:24	bluetail	topcat001 that still doesn't solve the classical mail issues
2024-09-02 20:05:43	bluetail	mail providers are forced to comply to gov etc
2024-09-02 20:06:11	bluetail	so they'd share your mails to them, and the key point is that the encryption suddenly wouldn't matter anymore
2024-09-02 20:06:47	topcat001	Absolutely! For confidential stuff I encrypt at my end (transparently with mutt+gpg).
2024-09-02 20:09:10	bluetail	topcat001 no uhm
2024-09-02 20:09:17	bluetail	Thats not what I meant
2024-09-02 20:09:40	bluetail	your mail is most likely all the time unencrypted if anybody of importance requests it
2024-09-02 20:09:54	bluetail	its just that until that happens, it is secure
2024-09-02 20:10:09	bluetail	so realistically, treat it like a open book
2024-09-02 20:10:29	bluetail	If its incorrect, please explain
2024-09-02 20:10:43	topcat001	even if it's encrypted by me and the provider only has a binary blob? :)
2024-09-02 20:11:10	bluetail	as far as I learned from reading, Email is broken no matter what
2024-09-02 20:11:23	bluetail	I mean, unless all of the mail lives outside of the mail?
2024-09-02 20:12:03	bluetail	eg one-time link with ref to encrypted content
2024-09-02 20:16:47	jelle	citation needed
2024-09-02 20:23:14	bookworm	violetjewel: gmail does oauth just fine
2024-09-02 20:38:39	MrElendig	it's pretty much the only thing it does now
2024-09-02 20:46:45	topcat001	I used pine (and elm) in my uni days, and now I use mutt. That's the extent of my email journey :)
2024-09-02 21:01:14	Erus_Iluvatar	bluetail: afaict e-mail is just equivalent to sending a raw text file to someone
2024-09-02 21:01:27	Erus_Iluvatar	so if you encrypt the content on your end, it's not "broken"
2024-09-02 21:01:40	violetjewel	topcat001: I just want to send a quick email from a program not run a client
2024-09-02 21:01:55	Erus_Iluvatar	unless someone other then your recipent has a way to decrypt the content
2024-09-02 21:02:10	violetjewel	if someone sees my todo list, the internet might break tbh
2024-09-02 21:02:40	violetjewel	"get milk", "return home", "don't leave my daughter motherless" ... imagine if that leaked onto the internet
2024-09-02 21:03:07	violetjewel	oops .. I mean .. pretend like I didn't write anything. this isn't the internet. you didn't see anything.
2024-09-02 21:04:16	topcat001	violetjewel: mutt can send mail through a cmdline invocation; useful for scripts
2024-09-02 21:05:29	topcat001	otherwise you can system() it. It takes care of negotiating with the provider
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2024-09-02 21:19:57	violetjewel	hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
2024-09-02 21:20:00	violetjewel	fine >:|
2024-09-02 21:20:09	violetjewel	angy angy angy
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2024-09-02 21:37:05	VioletJewel	topcat001: can neomutt do the same thing
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2024-09-02 21:37:38	VioletJewel	it's really hard to search for these things because "command line" doesn't do anything because it is a cli: command lin interface..
2024-09-02 21:38:59	topcat001	Should be possible. AIUI neomutt's features form a superset of mutt's.
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2024-09-02 21:39:32	VioletJewel	topcat001: okay sorry for pings. do you know how to send an email with mutt without opening the cli but rather from a script
2024-09-02 21:39:41	topcat001	I don't use neomutt myself.
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2024-09-02 21:41:20	teraflops	VioletJewel: smth like this: echo 'cat /home/grochmal/body | mutt -s "mail" john.doe@example.com'
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2024-09-02 21:41:55	VioletJewel	ty.
2024-09-02 21:42:13	Warepire	Both the mutt and neomutt manuals explain very clearly how to send e-mails without opening the tui.
2024-09-02 21:42:27	VioletJewel	I'll be a good girl and start with mutt so I can get my bearings
2024-09-02 21:42:29	topcat001	Once gmail oauth (for example, or whichever provider) works interactively, take a look at this answer: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/64813656/send-mail-with-mutt-in-shell-script-file
2024-09-02 21:42:30	phrik	Title: Send mail with mutt in shell script file - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
2024-09-02 21:42:45	topcat001	however, verify with the man
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2024-09-02 21:43:27	teraflops	aren't application passwords for those use cases?
2024-09-02 21:43:55	topcat001	I think if the token is valid it makes no difference
2024-09-02 21:44:07	teraflops	ok
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2024-09-02 21:45:11	topcat001	since (at least with outlook and gmail) oauth works so well, there is no reason to use app passwords
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2024-09-02 21:45:43	teraflops	I have to use app passwords for live.com (outlook iirc)
2024-09-02 21:46:10	topcat001	I use oauth with both my personal (consumer) and work outlook with mutt
2024-09-02 21:47:10	topcat001	it's fine, but good to have an alternative in case app passwords are phased out
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2024-09-02 21:47:40	teraflops	hmm maybe is because I do 2fa?
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2024-09-02 21:47:54	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1390 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1390 regular)
2024-09-02 20:03:52	VioletJewel	bookworm: gmail is a pita. they disabled smtp pretty much, but you can use app password. maybe I'll try protonmail and see if that works
2024-09-02 20:04:25	bluetail	violetjewel all e-mail is to be treated as open book
2024-09-02 20:04:56	bluetail	unfortunately, many people still share confidential info over it
2024-09-02 20:05:07	topcat001	oauth2 works fine with gmail - I use it from mutt
2024-09-02 20:05:24	bluetail	topcat001 that still doesn't solve the classical mail issues
2024-09-02 20:05:43	bluetail	mail providers are forced to comply to gov etc
2024-09-02 20:06:11	bluetail	so they'd share your mails to them, and the key point is that the encryption suddenly wouldn't matter anymore
2024-09-02 20:06:47	topcat001	Absolutely! For confidential stuff I encrypt at my end (transparently with mutt+gpg).
2024-09-02 20:09:10	bluetail	topcat001 no uhm
2024-09-02 20:09:17	bluetail	Thats not what I meant
2024-09-02 20:09:40	bluetail	your mail is most likely all the time unencrypted if anybody of importance requests it
2024-09-02 20:09:54	bluetail	its just that until that happens, it is secure
2024-09-02 20:10:09	bluetail	so realistically, treat it like a open book
2024-09-02 20:10:29	bluetail	If its incorrect, please explain
2024-09-02 20:10:43	topcat001	even if it's encrypted by me and the provider only has a binary blob? :)
2024-09-02 20:11:10	bluetail	as far as I learned from reading, Email is broken no matter what
2024-09-02 20:11:23	bluetail	I mean, unless all of the mail lives outside of the mail?
2024-09-02 20:12:03	bluetail	eg one-time link with ref to encrypted content
2024-09-02 20:16:47	jelle	citation needed
2024-09-02 20:23:14	bookworm	violetjewel: gmail does oauth just fine
2024-09-02 20:38:39	MrElendig	it's pretty much the only thing it does now
2024-09-02 20:46:45	topcat001	I used pine (and elm) in my uni days, and now I use mutt. That's the extent of my email journey :)
2024-09-02 21:01:14	Erus_Iluvatar	bluetail: afaict e-mail is just equivalent to sending a raw text file to someone
2024-09-02 21:01:27	Erus_Iluvatar	so if you encrypt the content on your end, it's not "broken"
2024-09-02 21:01:40	VioletJewel	topcat001: I just want to send a quick email from a program not run a client
2024-09-02 21:01:55	Erus_Iluvatar	unless someone other then your recipent has a way to decrypt the content
2024-09-02 21:02:10	VioletJewel	if someone sees my todo list, the internet might break tbh
2024-09-02 21:02:40	VioletJewel	"get milk", "return home", "don't leave my daughter motherless" ... imagine if that leaked onto the internet
2024-09-02 21:03:07	VioletJewel	oops .. I mean .. pretend like I didn't write anything. this isn't the internet. you didn't see anything.
2024-09-02 21:04:16	topcat001	violetjewel: mutt can send mail through a cmdline invocation; useful for scripts
2024-09-02 21:05:29	topcat001	otherwise you can system() it. It takes care of negotiating with the provider
2024-09-02 21:20:15	VioletJewel	hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
2024-09-02 21:20:19	VioletJewel	fine >:|
2024-09-02 21:20:28	VioletJewel	angy angy angy
2024-09-02 21:37:24	VioletJewel	topcat001: can neomutt do the same thing
2024-09-02 21:37:57	VioletJewel	it's really hard to search for these things because "command line" doesn't do anything because it is a cli: command lin interface..
2024-09-02 21:39:18	topcat001	Should be possible. AIUI neomutt's features form a superset of mutt's.
2024-09-02 21:39:50	VioletJewel	topcat001: okay sorry for pings. do you know how to send an email with mutt without opening the cli but rather from a script
2024-09-02 21:40:00	topcat001	I don't use neomutt myself.
2024-09-02 21:41:39	teraflops	VioletJewel: smth like this: echo 'cat /home/grochmal/body | mutt -s "mail" john.doe@example.com'
2024-09-02 21:42:14	VioletJewel	ty.
2024-09-02 21:42:31	Warepire	Both the mutt and neomutt manuals explain very clearly how to send e-mails without opening the tui.
2024-09-02 21:42:45	VioletJewel	I'll be a good girl and start with mutt so I can get my bearings
2024-09-02 21:42:48	topcat001	Once gmail oauth (for example, or whichever provider) works interactively, take a look at this answer: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/64813656/send-mail-with-mutt-in-shell-script-file
2024-09-02 21:42:49	phrik	Title: Send mail with mutt in shell script file - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
2024-09-02 21:43:04	topcat001	however, verify with the man
2024-09-02 21:43:46	teraflops	aren't application passwords for those use cases?
2024-09-02 21:44:14	topcat001	I think if the token is valid it makes no difference
2024-09-02 21:44:26	teraflops	ok
2024-09-02 21:45:29	topcat001	since (at least with outlook and gmail) oauth works so well, there is no reason to use app passwords
2024-09-02 21:46:02	teraflops	I have to use app passwords for live.com (outlook iirc)
2024-09-02 21:46:29	topcat001	I use oauth with both my personal (consumer) and work outlook with mutt
2024-09-02 21:47:28	topcat001	it's fine, but good to have an alternative in case app passwords are phased out
2024-09-02 21:47:58	teraflops	hmm maybe is because I do 2fa?
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2024-09-02 21:48:20	topcat001	so do I; shouldn't matter
2024-09-02 21:48:12	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-02 21:48:16	teraflops	do I have to blame my isp or netsplit?
2024-09-02 21:48:47	topcat001	if you follow the procedure in mutt_oauth_readme it works
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2024-09-02 21:48:54	teraflops	I see
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2024-09-02 21:49:12	ryan182309	hi all
2024-09-02 21:49:28	teraflops	on linux I use evolution
2024-09-02 21:49:48	topcat001	at least for gmail/outlook. Note though that a work account can disable app registrations which can be a problem.
2024-09-02 21:50:01	topcat001	evolution can use oauth as well
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2024-09-02 21:51:47	teraflops	I setup emails accounts time ago maybe I'm misremembering 
2024-09-02 21:51:58	teraflops	email^
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2024-09-02 21:57:03	ryan182309	history
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2024-09-02 22:07:56	ryan182309	!paste
2024-09-02 22:07:56	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-09-02 22:39:20	yasar	I installed cmake and extra-cmake-modules but I am getting include could not find requested file "checkTypeSize" error. Am I missing a step here? Same cmake file works on Windows.
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2024-09-02 22:40:29	Warepire	yasar: Needs a capital C, CheckTypeSize
2024-09-02 22:41:35	yasar	Warepire: Thanks. Weird that it works on Windows then. It looks like it doesn't care about case there.
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2024-09-02 22:41:38	Warepire	I guess this works on Windows because filenames are case-insensitive by default there
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2024-09-02 22:47:00	vorteckz	yo
2024-09-02 22:47:11	vorteckz	wrong window
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2024-09-03 00:02:59	feh	hi, I have a dumb issue, I fudged my boot when I installed rocky linux alongside arch. They are in different partitions but both use the same /boot partition, I'm using efi btw
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2024-09-03 00:04:03	feh	basicaly rocky is using /dev/sdb4 as /boot/efi while arch is using /dev/sdb4 as /boot
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2024-09-03 00:04:33	ZLima12	feh: what boot loader are you using on both distros
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2024-09-03 00:04:39	feh	any ideas what could be causing things to be weird? oh I'm also using grub on both of them
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2024-09-03 00:05:55	feh	no error messages like "couldn't find vmlinuz" appear when I try to boot to arch
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2024-09-03 00:06:18	ZLima12	feh: what does happen then?
2024-09-03 00:06:31	feh	black screen and nothing
2024-09-03 00:06:52	feh	ctrl+alt+del does nothing, pressing the power button does nothing
2024-09-03 00:07:12	feh	the fans also don't ramp up like they do during boot
2024-09-03 00:07:25	ZLima12	And this happens when you try to load Arch's GRUB install?
2024-09-03 00:07:30	ZLima12	From the firmware?
2024-09-03 00:07:52	feh	I'm using rocky grub to try and launch arch
2024-09-03 00:07:55	feh	hmm
2024-09-03 00:08:08	feh	I'll try using arch's grub
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2024-09-03 00:16:16	feh	ok so arch grub still works
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2024-09-03 00:16:25	feh	but it doesn't boot to arch all the way
2024-09-03 00:16:33	feh	it counts the inodes and then hangs
2024-09-03 00:16:45	feh	but I can reboot with ctrl+alt+del
2024-09-03 00:17:46	feh	I guess I can display the boot messages right?
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2024-09-03 00:26:26	simbioz	so why are there 2 wlroots version in extra? wlroots (0.18) and wlroots0.17, also, sway seems to be linked to wlroots 0.17 not 0.18, is there a reason for this?
2024-09-03 00:26:56	gaku	simbioz: pending update, so old one hangs around until upstream does their thing
2024-09-03 00:27:14	gaku	iirc wlroots did some breaking changes
2024-09-03 00:27:37	simbioz	got it, thx
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2024-09-03 15:03:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-03 15:03:06	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1388 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1388 regular)
2024-09-03 14:22:20	mpan	Somebody once again forgot to upload the sig for ISO. It 404 again. For over 24 h now.
2024-09-03 14:23:10	angerctl	The one linked from the /download page?
2024-09-03 14:23:22	mpan	Yes
2024-09-03 14:23:32	angerctl	Downloads fine here.
2024-09-03 14:23:50	angerctl	It was missing yesterday but that was fixed later in the day.
2024-09-03 14:24:03	mpan	Oh, indeed it now is.
2024-09-03 14:24:12	mpan	Nice, nvm then.
2024-09-03 14:24:45	mpan	(not all mirrors picked it up yet)
2024-09-03 14:25:32	Erus_Iluvatar	mpan: fyi, the uploading script will now check if the sig is present on the server now
2024-09-03 14:26:12	mpan	Thanks, as that was repeating for a few releases already. I was waiting with reporting, knowing that earlier it was also a problem of distribution across mirrors.
2024-09-03 14:29:29	Strykar	was it really a distribution issue? I thought so at first too, but did not see the sig
2024-09-03 14:31:37	mpan	When I asked about that with previous releases, picking up by mirrors was mentioned.
2024-09-03 14:31:43	mpan	I don’t know what was it this time.
2024-09-03 14:32:28	Erus_Iluvatar	🤷
2024-09-03 14:32:29	mpan	Certainly not distribution, given that: > gpg: Signature made Mon 02 Sep 2024 16:31:41 CEST
2024-09-03 14:34:54	jelle	Strykar: it was missing initially
2024-09-03 14:37:06	notnetwork	Hey all
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2024-09-03 15:28:57	causasui	are there any file managers, graphical or otherwise, that make use of xattrs? I feel like xattrs should be used for tagging and categorizing media files but I don't want to write my own hack if there's already something doing this
2024-09-03 15:30:10	RealFloridaMan	thunar, dolphin
2024-09-03 15:30:29	RealFloridaMan	nautilus
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2024-09-03 15:37:01	causasui	so all of the basic ones? nice
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2024-09-03 15:38:45	teraflops	causasui: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Extended_attributes
2024-09-03 15:38:47	phrik	Title: Extended attributes - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-03 15:38:51	teraflops	look at the table
2024-09-03 15:39:25	teraflops	I never heard of using extended file attrs to tag multimedia files tho
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2024-09-03 15:42:47	mefistofeles	RealFloridaMan: only dolphin from those, last time I checked
2024-09-03 15:42:53	mefistofeles	oh, what teraflops said
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2024-09-03 15:53:08	causasui	teraflops: yeah me either, but why not?
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2024-09-03 15:53:35	teraflops	I said i didn't hear about it
2024-09-03 15:53:40	causasui	I know
2024-09-03 15:53:45	causasui	I was there :)
2024-09-03 15:53:46	teraflops	not saying you cannot
2024-09-03 15:53:59	causasui	I know that too... maybe my question came across as argumentative
2024-09-03 15:54:19	causasui	it was not intended to be rhetorical. is there some reason I don't know about? just thinking
2024-09-03 15:54:39	causasui	do they not get preserved when the files are copied around? I assume if you copy them to a filesystem that doesn't support xattrs you lose them
2024-09-03 15:54:50	causasui	but maybe not?
2024-09-03 15:54:56	teraflops	no idea honestly, but idk how metadata is stored into media files
2024-09-03 15:55:12	teraflops	maybe it depends on the container
2024-09-03 15:55:21	causasui	e.g. mp3 files have competing tagging schemas for metadata, that's part of the file "type"
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2024-09-03 15:59:51	teraflops	yeah I'm seeing it in a flac file
2024-09-03 15:59:55	astralc	how you will store tags on text file? there no place for "metadata" bits in it
2024-09-03 16:00:33	astralc	I think most multimedia containers have metadata fields in the file
2024-09-03 16:00:46	teraflops	https://paste.priet.us/gk39/
2024-09-03 16:01:20	Ingar	afaik mp3 tags are reasonably standardised these days
2024-09-03 16:01:22	teraflops	that is a flac file
2024-09-03 16:01:31	Scimmia	causasui: why not? Because you want that information as part of the file, not as part of the filesystem
2024-09-03 16:01:46	Scimmia	that way it stays with the file no matter what
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2024-09-03 16:02:22	astralc	if you change track name for example, you will change the file, making it not same file
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2024-09-03 16:05:01	causasui	astralc: xattrs
2024-09-03 16:05:38	causasui	Scimmia: if the data and metadata travel together, I'm okay with that. but it's a big "if"
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2024-09-03 16:10:56	Strykar	causasui: what are you trying to achieve? xattrs is the wrong tool for managing multimedia, it is clueless about media metadata
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2024-09-03 16:11:36	teraflops	^
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2024-09-03 16:11:49	teraflops	use a 'tagger'
2024-09-03 16:13:06	mpan	Extended attributes may be used in the same manner as sidecar files for formats that don’t support some attributs, or if you want to preserve file contents. Of course you’re then responsible for managing that and only you can understand the data.
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2024-09-03 16:16:28	Exa	causasui: most programs will not copy extended attributes by default, so this is the wrong way to store file metadata that is not directly related to the filesystem or the operating system imho
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2024-09-03 16:58:21	causasui	Strykar: for files that don't support tags inside their own format (like mp3 or flac), there are a lot of apps that create their own tagging databases. I don't like this because then I'm married to that app
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2024-09-03 16:58:52	causasui	so I got a wild idea to look for stuff in the os that I could use for this purpose, but maybe it's a bad one :D just thinking it through so I appreciate the push-back
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2024-09-03 16:59:17	causasui	sidecar files is another option
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2024-09-03 17:15:29	eletrotupi	bleh, i dunno why the fuck my bt earplugs keeps disconnecting and reconnecting whenever my audio stops playing for like, one or two seconds
2024-09-03 17:15:38	eletrotupi	and it's exclusively on this arch box
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2024-09-03 17:31:46	teraflops	eletrotupi: something in the journal?
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2024-09-03 17:59:55	kocsi	I've been trying to install firefox ESR from https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/firefox-esr. Tried both yay and also via cloning the got and using makepkg -si, but it seems to be running into the same issue every time. What am I doing wrong? Logs here: https://0x0.st/Xwma.log
2024-09-03 18:00:54	kocsi	git*
2024-09-03 18:01:24	kocsi	I mean cloning the repo via git ffs
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2024-09-03 18:11:19	eletrotupi	teraflops: nops, it just disconnects
2024-09-03 18:11:23	eletrotupi	and then it shows up again
2024-09-03 18:11:31	eletrotupi	Sep 03 13:11:28 gaia kernel: input: Baseus Encok W2i (AVRCP) as /devices/virtual/input/input48
2024-09-03 18:11:49	eletrotupi	^ prolly when the device sends a "i'm available"
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2024-09-03 18:11:59	eletrotupi	and then it keeps on this loop forever
2024-09-03 18:12:00	teraflops	eletrotupi: are you using network manager?
2024-09-03 18:12:06	eletrotupi	no
2024-09-03 18:12:13	eletrotupi	as far as I know, no
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2024-09-03 18:12:58	eletrotupi	if i'm not mistaken it's using the systemd thingie
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2024-09-03 18:26:16	teraflops	eletrotupi: try setting IdleTimeout=0 in (which is the default anyways) /etc/bluetooth/input.conf and restart bluetooth service
2024-09-03 18:26:39	teraflops	I've read people complaining about not picking such defaut
2024-09-03 18:26:43	teraflops	dafault
2024-09-03 18:26:54	teraflops	default that is
2024-09-03 18:29:54	Edu4rdSHL	IdleTimeout is commented by default leaving the default value there
2024-09-03 18:29:55	eletrotupi	well, that seems to have fixed
2024-09-03 18:30:01	eletrotupi	but there was no file there
2024-09-03 18:30:09	eletrotupi	but adding it kind fixed, apparently
2024-09-03 18:30:24	Edu4rdSHL	So, you don't have bluez installed?
2024-09-03 18:30:32	eletrotupi	I have bluez
2024-09-03 18:30:36	eletrotupi	but it only has a main.cfg
2024-09-03 18:30:42	Edu4rdSHL	That file is owned by bluez
2024-09-03 18:30:45	eletrotupi	which also don't have any sort of InputTimeout
2024-09-03 18:30:47	Edu4rdSHL	Is that arch?
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2024-09-03 18:30:52	eletrotupi	yes, it is arch
2024-09-03 18:31:18	Edu4rdSHL	What's the output of `pacman -Qkk bluez`
2024-09-03 18:31:24	Edu4rdSHL	?wtf /etc/bluetooth/input.conf
2024-09-03 18:31:26	EMIYA	Edu4rdSHL: extra/bluez 5.77-1 (/etc/bluetooth/input.conf)
2024-09-03 18:31:49	eletrotupi	https://canto.eletrotupi.com/nC7dm.png
2024-09-03 18:32:02	eletrotupi	warning: bluez: /etc/bluetooth (Permissions mismatch)
2024-09-03 18:32:02	eletrotupi	bluez: 60 total files, 1 altered file
2024-09-03 18:32:31	Edu4rdSHL	Well
2024-09-03 18:32:41	Edu4rdSHL	You deleted it at some point then
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2024-09-03 18:32:52	eletrotupi	might just be outdated
2024-09-03 18:32:52	Edu4rdSHL	And changed the permissions :p
2024-09-03 18:32:58	eletrotupi	this is an old box
2024-09-03 18:33:05	Edu4rdSHL	Aaah, makes sense
2024-09-03 18:33:11	eletrotupi	i mean, not old, but haven't done some proper maintenance
2024-09-03 18:33:17	eletrotupi	due to life 
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2024-09-03 18:34:32	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: not the first time I see that defualt not being picked, why? idk
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2024-09-03 18:34:39	teraflops	dafault
2024-09-03 18:34:48	Edu4rdSHL	Mmm
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2024-09-03 18:35:57	teraflops	I have a problem spelling default it seems:P
2024-09-03 18:36:06	eletrotupi	you do ahaha
2024-09-03 18:36:10	eletrotupi	but that's fine
2024-09-03 18:36:29	eletrotupi	well, at least here, it just wasn't set so it makes sense
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2024-09-03 18:37:59	mefistofeles	kocsi: btw, it looks like it needs a patch fix... check for example in: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/firefox/-/commit/f5580e563ac0dc7f0095af92bc59d849f0f45849#8e7eaa4290280247934b32ba3e259e8f94ff94d8 
2024-09-03 18:38:00	phrik	Title: 129.0.1-1 (f5580e56) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / firefox · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-09-03 18:38:56	mefistofeles	teraflops: it's spelled dafault by default for you
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2024-09-03 18:42:52	teraflops	myfault ;)
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2024-09-03 18:47:29	eletrotupi	teraflops, thanks for the help :)
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2024-09-03 18:53:04	Edu4rdSHL	mefistofeles, o/
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2024-09-03 18:54:06	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: o/
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2024-09-03 19:02:21	Oddmonger	hello, i'd like to activate bluetooth on my laptop. `rfkill` shows an entry « bluetooth », so it's here. But `bluetoothctl scan on` doesn't show anything
2024-09-03 19:02:57	Oddmonger	all the bt* modules (btusb,btrtl,btintel…) are loaded
2024-09-03 19:03:18	Oddmonger	bluetooth service is running
2024-09-03 19:03:28	Oddmonger	what can i do , now ?
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2024-09-03 19:04:27	Edu4rdSHL	What's the exact rfkill output
2024-09-03 19:05:58	kocsi	mefistofeles: uh, this is above my paygrade
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2024-09-03 19:08:42	Oddmonger	Edu4rdSHL: https://x0.at/EDTJ.txt
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2024-09-03 19:09:26	Edu4rdSHL	Well, it's unblocked
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2024-09-03 19:09:46	topcat001	Oddmonger: do you dual boot Windows?
2024-09-03 19:09:54	Oddmonger	no, only linux
2024-09-03 19:10:08	Edu4rdSHL	Oddmonger, did you run `power on` before `scan on`?
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2024-09-03 19:10:14	Oddmonger	no
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2024-09-03 19:10:42	Oddmonger	it says « no default controller available »
2024-09-03 19:10:54	mefistofeles	kocsi: you can comment about it in the AUR page for the package, maybe that helps
2024-09-03 19:11:17	Edu4rdSHL	Oddmonger, which bluetooth device is it?
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2024-09-03 19:11:36	Oddmonger	Edu4rdSHL, how can i know ?
2024-09-03 19:12:04	Edu4rdSHL	lspci or lsusb, depending if it's a dongle or not
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2024-09-03 19:13:17	Oddmonger	i've tried both (piped to `grep -i blue`) but nothing
2024-09-03 19:13:36	Oddmonger	with dmesg, i see « Bluetooth: Core ver 2.22 »
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2024-09-03 19:14:41	Oddmonger	maybe bluetooth is blocked in uefi setup ? But i shouldn't see it « unblocked » in `rfkill` should i ?
2024-09-03 19:15:02	Edu4rdSHL	Post the output of `lspci -nnv`
2024-09-03 19:15:15	Edu4rdSHL	Is it a dongle or what?
2024-09-03 19:15:34	Oddmonger	it's on the motherboard of the laptob
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2024-09-03 19:15:56	Edu4rdSHL	Post the output of the previous command
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2024-09-03 19:16:12	Oddmonger	https://x0.at/vLxN.txt
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2024-09-03 19:18:22	Edu4rdSHL	May I know which laptop model is it?
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2024-09-03 19:19:24	Oddmonger	of course it's dell latitude 5430
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2024-09-03 19:21:51	Edu4rdSHL	According to https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dell_Latitude_E5430 it should just work if bluez is installed
2024-09-03 19:21:52	phrik	Title: Dell Latitude E5430 - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-03 19:22:08	Edu4rdSHL	Did you tried rebooting after installing bluez?
2024-09-03 19:22:21	Oddmonger	yes, i had installed bluez and reboot after
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2024-09-03 19:22:40	Oddmonger	bluez , bluez-libs and bluez-utils
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2024-09-03 19:23:42	Edu4rdSHL	Are you using pipewire or pulseaudio?
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2024-09-03 19:23:51	Oddmonger	pulseaudio
2024-09-03 19:24:20	Edu4rdSHL	Is pulseaudio-bluetooth installed?
2024-09-03 19:24:54	Oddmonger	no, should i ?
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2024-09-03 19:26:14	Edu4rdSHL	Probably, I'm not sure as I have always installed that (when I used pulseaudio) 
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2024-09-03 19:27:30	Oddmonger	then reboot, i suppose, as it doesn't do much after installation
2024-09-03 19:27:36	Edu4rdSHL	Right
2024-09-03 19:27:50	Ena0	quit
2024-09-03 19:27:57	Ena0	sry :D
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2024-09-03 19:28:33	Oddmonger	ok i will reboot tomorrow then, too much things opened. I will take opportunity of this for checking if everything is ok in the bios
2024-09-03 19:28:48	Oddmonger	thank you for helping me, Edu4rdSHL 
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2024-09-03 19:31:19	topcat001	Oddmonger: I don't have any ideas - Edu4rdSHL covered everything - but try a full/cold poweroff, wait for a minute, then boot. Occasionally I have encountered temporary failures like this (esp after reboots/updates).
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2024-09-03 19:32:49	Oddmonger	that's noted, i will « shutdown -P now » tomorrow (bless be tmux-resurrect !)
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2024-09-03 20:02:55	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-03 20:03:44	RealFloridaMan	mefistofeles with nautilus you need  eiciel 
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2024-09-03 20:04:02	RealFloridaMan	but I was sure thunar has it
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2024-09-03 20:05:15	mefistofeles	RealFloridaMan: fair, maybe that wiki table is outdated
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2024-09-03 20:31:03	Ena0	Whenever I close my lapop lid the external display connected starts lagging a bit. Any ideas how to fix  that?
2024-09-03 20:31:09	Ena0	Doesn't happen on x11
2024-09-03 20:31:14	Ena0	I'm on KDE wayland
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2024-09-03 20:46:58	mefistofeles	Ena0: not sure if related, but there are bugs with Qt 6.7.2(3?) and multiple displays on wayland
2024-09-03 20:47:13	mefistofeles	I commonly get crashes of the plasma shell, though
2024-09-03 20:47:14	Ena0	teraflops: Yes with RTD3 power management
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2024-09-03 20:47:30	Ena0	mefistofeles: Ah I see. Thx for the info.
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2024-09-03 20:48:06	teraflops	Ena0: do you have drm enabled for nvidia?
2024-09-03 20:48:12	mefistofeles	Ena0: those are expected to be fixed in the next release, which should happen somewhere this month
2024-09-03 20:48:31	Ingar	mefistofeles: I hope so, it's getting annoying
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2024-09-03 20:49:57	mefistofeles	Ingar: indeed
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2024-09-03 20:50:10	mefistofeles	https://wiki.qt.io/Qt_6.7_Release#Qt_6.7_release_plan
2024-09-03 20:50:11	phrik	Title: Qt 6.7 Release - Qt Wiki (at wiki.qt.io)
2024-09-03 20:50:33	mefistofeles	but I can't find the issue now, but I read about it getting fixed somewhere :P
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2024-09-03 20:50:44	mefistofeles	for the 6.7.3 release
2024-09-03 20:50:58	Ingar	there's enough to fix
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2024-09-03 20:51:08	Ingar	drag'n'drop operations seem particulary dangerous
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2024-09-03 20:53:15	Ena0	Btw the archwiki NVIDIA article for hybrid laptop setups should be edited since nvidia-open is recommended over there but not all features work with it like the linked power management article which is really misleading.
2024-09-03 20:53:54	Ena0	teraflops: I think so :D
2024-09-03 20:54:13	Ena0	Seems only Turing mobile is affected**
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2024-09-03 20:55:19	Ena0	mefistofeles: Btw since those are expected to be fixed the issue is known? So what's the reason this is happening?
2024-09-03 20:56:06	mefistofeles	Ena0: yeah, that's what I cannot find right now, tracking Qt releases and changes is not easy (for reasons)
2024-09-03 20:56:34	Ena0	mefistofeles: I see
2024-09-03 20:57:01	Ena0	https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules/issues/640
2024-09-03 20:57:02	phrik	Title: [555.42.02] D3cold on Turing Mobile not working with kernel 6.9.2. Works with closed driver. · Issue #640 · NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules · GitHub (at github.com)
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2024-09-03 20:57:25	Ena0	Just btw if someone wants to edit the wiki lol
2024-09-03 20:57:51	teraflops	Ena0: current kernel is 6.10.6
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2024-09-03 20:59:37	Ena0	teraflops: Seems it's not working at all on Turing no matter kernel version (even tho it's in the title). According to this nvidia dev? It's just not implemented in the driver code.
2024-09-03 21:00:31	Ena0	Someone mentions it in the discussion.
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2024-09-03 21:02:31	Ena0	I'm on 6.10 and it's not working ;)
2024-09-03 21:03:11	Ena0	I mean it immediately starts working with nvidia isntead of nvidia-open.
2024-09-03 21:03:57	Ena0	Anyways thx for the infos I'll just wait for those wayland-fixing updates.
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2024-09-03 21:05:38	Ena0	Btw isn't current 6.10.7? xd At least that's what i'm on rn and i have just linux installed
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2024-09-03 21:06:29	teraflops	my mirror might be lagging
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2024-09-03 21:08:40	Ena0	teraflops: Yes it apparently is ;)
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2024-09-03 21:32:40	phrik	Title: NVIDIA Optimus - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-03 22:18:45	nuvan	just installed w/ pipewire for audio, but aside from headphones plugged into the front jack, I don't have any sound. instead, all I get is static-sounding pops from speakers occasionally. AFAIK, my motherboard has multi-purpose jacks that can be configured for input or output depending on what's plugged in, so I suspect that is the cause. Does
2024-09-03 22:18:45	nuvan	anyone know how to re-configure the jacks to all be set to sound output?
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2024-09-03 22:31:03	envy	Good afternoon, I have issues with vulkan and looking over the wiki and forums I can't find a solution. Is it bad manners to ask for help here?
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2024-09-03 22:31:43	teraflops	nuvan22: checked in alsamixer nothing is muted?
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2024-09-03 22:36:12	nuvan	nothing seems to be
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2024-09-03 22:37:31	nuvan	I turned everything up to full, and re-did the test, still heard nothing. Can't remember if I said, but headphones in the front jack work.
2024-09-03 22:38:06	teraflops	how did you setup this in pulseaudio?
2024-09-03 22:38:18	nuvan	I didn't select pulse, I picked pipewire
2024-09-03 22:38:39	teraflops	so you just installed archlinux
2024-09-03 22:38:41	teraflops	?
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2024-09-03 22:39:30	nuvan	yeah. I've tried a few times, never managed to get audio working, and it's always worked fairly well before on older computers, so I've never really had to do deep-dives into the audio systems
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2024-09-03 22:39:51	teraflops	which card is it?
2024-09-03 22:40:04	envy	graphics card?
2024-09-03 22:40:10	envy	or audio
2024-09-03 22:40:14	teraflops	sound card
2024-09-03 22:40:19	envy	(got it, my bad)
2024-09-03 22:40:39	nuvan	Realtek ALC897 is what alsamixer's showing
2024-09-03 22:40:40	kocsi	I'm using Spectacle with KDE to do screen capturing, but unlike in Mint (no idea what it used) or Windows + Greenshot, Spectacle doesn't seem to freeze the screen at the moment the capture hotkey is pressed. This causes context menus in browsers to close. Is there a way to make it faster or freeze the screens while I do a selection with Spectacle? Or another app that does this better?
2024-09-03 22:41:09	teraflops	nuvan: lspci -k
2024-09-03 22:42:05	nuvan	relevant one is probably "AMD Family 17h/19h HD Audio Controller"
2024-09-03 22:42:35	nuvan	also have "Rembrandt Radeon High Definition Audio Controller" and "NVIDIA Corporation AD102 High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1)", but I believe those are HDMI outputs, which I'm not using
2024-09-03 22:43:32	teraflops	nuvan: is this s laptop?
2024-09-03 22:43:48	teraflops	s/a
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2024-09-03 22:44:47	nuvan	desktop, mobo is Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX, not certain on revision though
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2024-09-03 22:47:50	teraflops	nuvan: maybe you need additional firmware
2024-09-03 22:48:24	Edu4rdSHL	nuvan, is sof-firmware installed?
2024-09-03 22:48:26	teraflops	did you install sof-firmware
2024-09-03 22:48:52	nuvan	not heard of that one before, so probably not :). Lemme check
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2024-09-03 22:48:56	Edu4rdSHL	Also, what's the output of `pacman -Qsq pipewire`
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2024-09-03 22:50:28	nuvan	Edu4rdSHL: gst-plugin-pipewire, kpipewire, libpipewire, libwireplumber,pipewire, pipewire-alsa, pipewire-audio, pipewire-jack, pipewire-pulse, wireplumber
2024-09-03 22:51:00	Edu4rdSHL	Well, install sof-firmware if not already installed, reboot and see
2024-09-03 22:51:37	nuvan	I noticed the mkinitcpio run during install, so a-rebooting I shall go!
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2024-09-03 22:53:04	teraflops	kocsi: I cannot believe spectacle lacks of a delayed screenshot button
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2024-09-03 22:55:19	nuvan	and back. No joy with sof-firmware, still just getting static pops on the speakers
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2024-09-03 22:55:36	Edu4rdSHL	Did you assembled the PC?
2024-09-03 22:55:46	nuvan	yep
2024-09-03 22:56:01	Edu4rdSHL	Are you sure that the connectors are well connected phisically?
2024-09-03 22:56:12	Edu4rdSHL	I would try with some live USB
2024-09-03 22:56:24	Edu4rdSHL	Or at least you know that it works on another OS?
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2024-09-03 22:57:15	nuvan	linux is the only OS with problems - windows handles it fine
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2024-09-03 22:57:51	Edu4rdSHL	Ah, it's a dual boot D:
2024-09-03 22:58:14	Edu4rdSHL	Have you disabled fast startup and all that on windows?
2024-09-03 22:58:31	teraflops	hmm, try disabling fast boot and reboot from windows?
2024-09-03 22:58:37	teraflops	lol
2024-09-03 22:58:41	teraflops	yeah that
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2024-09-03 22:59:56	nuvan	Not sure if they're disabled. Can that actually cause audio issues? Oh well, guess it's time to fix windows boot
2024-09-03 23:00:10	Edu4rdSHL	Yes, they can
2024-09-03 23:00:17	Edu4rdSHL	And bluetooth and wireless issues
2024-09-03 23:00:20	Edu4rdSHL	And...
2024-09-03 23:00:32	nuvan	and since I'm not using either of those, if there's problems there I wouldn't notice
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2024-09-03 23:07:17	envy	got my vulkaninfo to only have 2 errors instead of three now
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2024-09-03 23:13:59	gehidore	envy progress!
2024-09-03 23:14:18	envy	Slowly, going to restart rq
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2024-09-03 23:16:18	kocsi	teraflops: I am looking for no-delay though. Unless you mean I press the capture button and THEN perform the action for the screenshot to be captured? I haven't thought of that...
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2024-09-03 23:19:27	nuvan	I think need to take my computer out behind the barn, and have a little... discussion with it about audio
2024-09-03 23:20:32	nuvan	after disabling fast boot, still wasn't working. Unplugged the front-panel headphones (which note - only played anything when headphones were selected as audio output), and now I can at least get front left+right channel output
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2024-09-03 23:23:22	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2024-09-03 23:23:43	nuvan	now I just need to figure out how to convince it that the jacks labelled line-in and mic-in are actually outputs
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2024-09-04 12:02:17	Oddmonger	Edu4rdSHL: i've rebooted my PC and throw an outlook in the bios: the bluetooth was disactivated. Now it's activated, it works perfectly ! Thank you for your help yesterday (it made me think that the only left possibility was a disactivated device in the bios)
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2024-09-04 13:40:10	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-04 13:51:52	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-04 14:17:23	wunit	dumbledoor: the context matters - a newline within a file has a specific purpose, but that may not apply to all other contexts (e.g. web browser address bar)
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2024-09-04 14:18:13	wunit	within a text file (on Unix), it traditionally means "end of line" (even if the consequence is the same: everything after it starts on a new line)
2024-09-04 14:19:24	wunit	but that only makes sense in the context of text-based/line-based environments (e.g. terminals)
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2024-09-04 14:55:41	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-04 15:06:25	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-04 17:14:40	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-04 17:14:40	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1384 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1384 regular)
2024-09-04 16:35:55	fxuan070	Hi,guys
2024-09-04 16:49:17	lordabgrund	hey
2024-09-04 16:49:23	mpan	o/
2024-09-04 16:49:43	fxuan070	omg
2024-09-04 16:50:41	fxuan070	Finally someone spoke
2024-09-04 16:50:55	lordabgrund	yeah
2024-09-04 16:51:12	lordabgrund	my first time in an irc
2024-09-04 16:51:25	fxuan070	Me too
2024-09-04 16:51:38	mpan	On-topic support channels are usually silent, unless somebody has a problem. :)
2024-09-04 16:52:08	lordabgrund	Do you by any chance know how to turn off the amd gpu fan 0rpm mode?
2024-09-04 16:52:34	mpan	#archlinux-offtopic is more active and offtopic, but also less Arch Linux…
2024-09-04 16:52:55	mpan	(just to be clear: I don’t know)
2024-09-04 16:53:02	lordabgrund	okay
2024-09-04 16:53:17	lordabgrund	because I sadly didnt find any solution to it
2024-09-04 16:54:26	fxuan070	I was looking forward to using irc,Until I found it was very quiet here
2024-09-04 16:54:33	lordabgrund	what irc client are you guys using?
2024-09-04 16:55:10	fxuan070	Libera.Chat
2024-09-04 16:55:33	fxuan070	and u?
2024-09-04 16:56:07	lordabgrund	using hexchat, but it runs really badly
2024-09-04 16:56:17	fxuan070	lol
2024-09-04 16:56:49	fxuan070	Why is it badly?
2024-09-04 16:56:55	lordabgrund	idk
2024-09-04 16:57:14	fxuan070	Very slow?
2024-09-04 16:57:20	mpan	lordabgrund: judging by the output from search, this is PITA on all systems. But also apparently controllable on Linux <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fan_speed_control#AMDGPU_sysfs_fan_control>.
2024-09-04 16:57:21	phrik	Title: Fan speed control - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-04 16:57:49	mpan	This will not work before system is fully booted, but I assume this is better than nothing.
2024-09-04 16:58:11	lordabgrund	I tried the fancontrol command, but it doesnt work
2024-09-04 16:58:22	mpan	No other ideas then.
2024-09-04 16:58:37	lordabgrund	yeah
2024-09-04 16:59:01	lordabgrund	It said like failed to start or apply pwm and then my gpu hwmon
2024-09-04 16:59:05	mpan	Did you try general help on #linux? 
2024-09-04 16:59:16	mpan	Maybe somebody there will know (also many people use AL there).
2024-09-04 16:59:28	dTal	fxuan070: Libera.Chat is not an IRC client
2024-09-04 16:59:38	Segaja	lordabgrund: are you by chance using a linux-hardened kernel? many of such control tools don't work on that one
2024-09-04 16:59:50	lordabgrund	just the base arch kernel
2024-09-04 17:00:05	mpan	dTal: likely they mean the web interface (web.libera.chat, that is KiwiIRC)
2024-09-04 17:01:32	fxuan070	oh sorry,I use lrssi
2024-09-04 17:01:42	mpan	fxuan070: if you meant web.libera.chat, this is KiwiIRC web client. Which TBH is only meant as a last resort access method for those, who are not yet willing to set up a “proper” client (or can’t).
2024-09-04 17:01:46	mpan	oh
2024-09-04 17:02:07	lordabgrund	what irc client would you recommend?
2024-09-04 17:02:43	mpan	The one that you tested and suited you best. There is no objective best. :)
2024-09-04 17:02:51	mpan	(though there may be objective bad)
2024-09-04 17:02:51	wunit	!best
2024-09-04 17:02:51	phrik	Use whatever suits _you_ best.
2024-09-04 17:03:54	wunit	though ideally pick one that still has active/responsive maintainers
2024-09-04 17:04:20	dTal	I use quassel, it's a little janky occasionally but it's a proper gui and the client-server thing is nice
2024-09-04 17:04:41	mpan	I use irrsi. It has proper terminal UI.
2024-09-04 17:05:01	Segaja	i'm on weechat
2024-09-04 17:05:32	dTal	mpan: I'm afraid I will be accused of flaming if I voice my true opinions on the phrase "proper terminal UI" :p
2024-09-04 17:05:53	mpan	A proper flame war on #archlinux! \o/
2024-09-04 17:06:09	mpan	lordabgrund: as you can see, people have strong opinions and that depends on what one wants.
2024-09-04 17:06:14	dTal	your GUI is not better because it runs on a terminal emulator lol
2024-09-04 17:06:34	wunit	not better for everyone
2024-09-04 17:06:38	wunit	again, !best
2024-09-04 17:07:01	BrainDamage	phrik: give dTal furbest
2024-09-04 17:07:01	phrik	dTal: Use whatever fursuits _you_ best.
2024-09-04 17:08:13	lordabgrund	mpan I just want one that doesnt lag constantly
2024-09-04 17:09:25	Namarrgon	What does "lag" mean here?
2024-09-04 17:09:58	lordabgrund	The settings menu takes like 5sec to open and it hangs constantly
2024-09-04 17:10:32	Namarrgon	Is this on bare hardware?
2024-09-04 17:10:33	BrainDamage	does it do that even before connecting?
2024-09-04 17:11:00	lordabgrund	Braindamage didnt test that
2024-09-04 17:11:08	mpan	That is weird.
2024-09-04 17:12:11	mpan	Sure, irssi may take a few seconds to connect if connectivity to Libera is bad. And syncing channels takes a moment, if you autojoin many. But beyond that or if you only just started and have one channel?
2024-09-04 17:12:45	mpan	Oh, it’s fxuan070 not you, who used irssi. Ignore my rambling.
2024-09-04 17:13:03	lordabgrund	It also reloads every message when scrolling
2024-09-04 17:14:41	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-04 17:15:56	fxuan070	what happen
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2024-09-04 17:19:45	fxuan070	I'm trying to translate to get up to speed.
2024-09-04 17:20:19	fxuan070	It seems that I need to change the translation, this one is not easy to use
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2024-09-04 17:20:41	fxuan070	:p
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2024-09-04 17:21:49	lordabgrund	well I am gonna go have a good day
2024-09-04 17:23:37	fxuan070	ok byebye
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2024-09-04 17:24:39	mpan	o/
2024-09-04 17:24:55	txtsd	Edu4rdSHL: Fixed it: https://ihavea.quest/posts/2024-09-04-digital-ocean-arch-dns/
2024-09-04 17:24:56	phrik	Title: Fixing DNS issues on the Arch cloud image on Digital Ocean — I have a quest! (at ihavea.quest)
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2024-09-04 17:26:40	Edu4rdSHL	txtsd, nice
2024-09-04 17:27:43	Edu4rdSHL	Just to add: DNSSEC is not really that relevant, especially on servers, plus, it cost some additional latency
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2024-09-04 17:34:50	txtsd	Good to know! Thanks!
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2024-09-04 19:51:28	andreas808	Hi folks! Just a short question. If I want to run linux-lts and zfs-dkms along with it, is it sufficient to (from AUR) install zfs-dkms and zfs-utils, and (from the official Arch repo), linux-lts headers? Or, do I need to install zfs-linux-lets-headers as well? The reason why I'm asking is that when I run "dkms build zfs/2.2.5 -k 6.6.48-1-lts", I get "Error! The directory
2024-09-04 19:51:29	andreas808	/var/lib/dkms/zfs/2.2.5/source does not appear to have module source located within it.", even though that directory contains source for the module.
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2024-09-04 20:00:17	Namarrgon	You shouldn't need extra headers, whatever they do.
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2024-09-04 20:02:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-04 20:02:30	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1387 nicks (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1387 regular)
2024-09-04 20:00:53	Namarrgon	Did you look through the AUr comments of zfs-dkms?
2024-09-04 20:01:19	gehidore	Edu4rdSHL 
2024-09-04 20:01:27	gehidore	silly keybaord
2024-09-04 20:02:30	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-04 20:16:07	noobaroo	My monitor has builtin speakers that sound absolutely horrible when im unlucky enough that sound switches to it. Which doesn't happen often. 
2024-09-04 20:17:02	noobaroo	I'd kind of like to blacklist the kernel module or otherwise prevent the device from ever showing up... Like at the lowest level possible
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2024-09-04 20:17:51	noobaroo	Maybe there is some way within pipewire config I can blacklist that output but since I never use it I would rather get rid of the device entirely, has anyone done anything like this?
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2024-09-04 20:18:45	mefistofeles	noobaroo: you can use profiles for that, wireplumber should hlep you with those
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2024-09-04 20:22:50	astralc	you can change profile to "off" with pulseaudio GUI (also work with pipewire-pulse)
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2024-09-04 20:27:23	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: https://paste.priet.us/swappy-20240904_202614.png :D
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2024-09-04 20:34:55	Edu4rdSHL	gehidore, stamp it on the ground! :p
2024-09-04 20:35:12	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, damn :D
2024-09-04 20:35:18	Edu4rdSHL	Btw, very neat playlist
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2024-09-04 21:32:48	Ena0	I wanted to change from sddm to greetd. Problem is theres not much documentation on the wiki about that. I added /usr/lib/plasma-dbus-run-session-if-needed /usr/bin/startplasma-wayland as the command to the greetd config file but on boot kde applications just throw me a bunch of errors. Any way to fix this or tutorials on how to do it properly? :D
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2024-09-04 21:43:26	Edu4rdSHL	What's the need for the change?
2024-09-04 21:43:30	Edu4rdSHL	sddm is very good
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2024-09-04 21:44:03	Edu4rdSHL	If it works, don't touch it rule
2024-09-04 21:44:05	Edu4rdSHL	:p
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2024-09-04 21:46:04	chikuwasuka	i tend to follow the rule of, "if it works, spend hours on a hacky way to make it 10% better, then regret everything"
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2024-09-04 21:46:59	Edu4rdSHL	Valid rule, too
2024-09-04 21:47:01	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2024-09-04 21:48:18	gehidore	!grab chikuwasuka 
2024-09-04 21:48:18	phrik	gehidore: Tada!
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2024-09-04 21:48:21	gehidore	this is the way chikuwasuka
2024-09-04 21:48:28	gehidore	admittedly I like greetd
2024-09-04 21:48:55	gehidore	it'd be nice if they stuck around so we could actually get information from them
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2024-09-04 21:57:16	noobaroo	I don't really see the benefit of a display manager
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2024-09-04 21:59:31	Edu4rdSHL	It's useful if you have several WM/DEs
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2024-09-04 22:00:10	noobaroo	but how... ?
2024-09-04 22:00:46	noobaroo	i just alias the command to "startw" and i type startw
2024-09-04 22:02:04	noobaroo	Actually my bad, its startkde.sh . i wanted to make it work on all shells and all users so i put a one liner /bin/sh script in /usr/local/bin 
2024-09-04 22:02:22	noobaroo	then i have alias startkde='exec startkde.sh' 
2024-09-04 22:02:42	noobaroo	but how hard is it to type "sway" ?
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2024-09-04 22:03:09	teraflops	I do not type anything I do use howdy :P
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2024-09-04 22:05:01	noobaroo	If its a big deal though and you like to set up different env variables for each WM then you can make a small case statement and put it in /usr/local/bin ... i will say that Gnome makes things difficult and you have to jump through a bunch of hoops to make a session started from TTY work properly. I guess I can only see using a display manager if you use Gnome.
2024-09-04 22:05:51	Edu4rdSHL	Imagine not having to setup variables and scripts and just click and change to whatever you want and login?
2024-09-04 22:06:00	Edu4rdSHL	Very useful and convenient :p
2024-09-04 22:06:06	teraflops	!give noobaroo goat
2024-09-04 22:06:06	phrik	noobaroo: https://i.imgur.com/263enxT.jpg
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2024-09-04 22:07:24	noobaroo	Edu4rdSHL Having to?
2024-09-04 22:07:49	noobaroo	Who said you have to?
2024-09-04 22:08:08	Edu4rdSHL	> If its a big deal though and you like to set up different env variables for each WM then you can make a small case statement and put it in /usr/local/bin
2024-09-04 22:08:10	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2024-09-04 22:08:20	noobaroo	I like being able to. You don't get that choice with a display manager. 
2024-09-04 22:08:56	noobaroo	It's just extra choices, not requirements, to set variables 
2024-09-04 22:08:58	teraflops	noobaroo: most recent display managers source ~/.xprofile
2024-09-04 22:09:10	teraflops	you can put there whatever you want
2024-09-04 22:09:33	noobaroo	I thought that's obsolete for years now
2024-09-04 22:09:57	chikuwasuka	i just have aliases to use startx with different .xinitrc 
2024-09-04 22:10:09	chikuwasuka	but that doesn't allow changing env vars 
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2024-09-04 22:11:42	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-04 22:11:01	chikuwasuka	well, maybe. but not in a sane way
2024-09-04 22:11:43	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-04 22:13:15	teraflops	chikuwasuka: yeah I have checked right now and gdm waynald does not source it
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2024-09-04 22:14:50	Edu4rdSHL	The x on .xinitrc is for... X
2024-09-04 22:14:53	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2024-09-04 22:15:50	noobaroo	Maybe I will try out a display manager again. I haven't in a long time
2024-09-04 22:15:43	ℹ 	Channel created on Wed, 19 May 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-04 22:15:48	noobaroo	Anyone, any recommendations?
2024-09-04 22:15:57	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: hehe
2024-09-04 22:16:38	teraflops	but there are other files sourced as in .pam_environment or .config/environment.d/
2024-09-04 22:17:23	teraflops	noobaroo: I do GDM for gnome sway hyprland and niri
2024-09-04 22:17:35	noobaroo	Oh thats the one that is obsolete .pam_environment 
2024-09-04 22:17:39	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, /etc/profile, YOLO
2024-09-04 22:17:42	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2024-09-04 22:18:04	teraflops	~/.config/environment.d works for sure
2024-09-04 22:18:12	noobaroo	Maybe .xprofile still works. Im not sure. I never used it personally
2024-09-04 22:18:22	teraflops	noobaroo: nah not for wayland
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2024-09-04 22:18:31	gehidore	I don't type anything and I use greetd
2024-09-04 22:18:33	noobaroo	Yeah I think ~/.config/environment.d is what everyone was urged to move to
2024-09-04 22:18:53	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, but environment.d variables are only available for systemd user services
2024-09-04 22:19:03	Edu4rdSHL	No?
2024-09-04 22:19:05	teraflops	huh?
2024-09-04 22:19:11	noobaroo	and /etc/profile is not sourced by display managers as far as i know 
2024-09-04 22:19:15	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: nope
2024-09-04 22:19:44	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, man environment.d says: Configuration files in the environment.d/ directories contain lists of environment variable assignments passed to services started by the systemd user instance.  systemd-environment-d-generator(8) parses them and updates the environment exported by the systemd user instance. See below for an discussion of which processes inherit those variables.
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2024-09-04 22:20:18	noobaroo	I really don't know. The easiest fail-safe way is to use /etc/environment . but it kind of is unfortunate because that requires root and applies to all users
2024-09-04 22:20:26	teraflops	https://paste.priet.us/00gh/ ~/.config/environment.d/envvars.conf
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2024-09-04 22:21:14	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, I just read, makes sense because: For example in the GNOME environment, the graphical terminal emulator runs as the gnome-terminal-server.service user unit, which in turn runs the user shell, so that shell will inherit environment variables exported by the user manager.
2024-09-04 22:21:26	Edu4rdSHL	So, it isn't a global solution tho
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2024-09-04 22:22:21	teraflops	if I run foot terminal all these variables are set
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2024-09-04 22:23:58	Edu4rdSHL	I see
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2024-09-04 22:26:26	Strykar	perl updates look like fun: installing perl (5.40.0-1) breaks dependency 'perl<5.39' required by perl-b-hooks-op-check
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2024-09-04 22:27:04	Edu4rdSHL	That's an AUR package
2024-09-04 22:27:22	alad	perl is a cool guy
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2024-09-04 22:29:15	Strykar	Edu4rdSHL: I know, but it runs deep - https://bpa.st/3AVC2
2024-09-04 22:29:18	phrik	Title: View paste 3AVC2 (at bpa.st)
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2024-09-04 22:39:06	Namarrgon	-R has a recursive option but be careful before confirming it
2024-09-04 22:39:20	Edu4rdSHL	Strykar, you can -Sdd perl and then rebuild the AUR packages
2024-09-04 22:39:43	Edu4rdSHL	pacman -Syudd should work
2024-09-04 22:40:13	Namarrgon	-dd might break more than just perl here
2024-09-04 22:41:13	GenKs	Hello everyone, I have installed recently Arch Linux and GNOME (Wayland) as DE. I'm having difficulties in configuring the "pinch to zoom" for my laptop's touchpad. I don't know exactly why, someone can help me to get the correct configuration? 
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2024-09-04 22:41:57	Strykar	so do I just manually delete the orphaned files found by "LC_ALL=C find "/usr/lib/perl5/5.38" -type f -exec pacman -Qqo {} + |& sed -n 's/^error: No package owns \(.*\)$/\1/p'"?
2024-09-04 22:43:27	gehidore	GenKs is it everywhere or just in browsers?
2024-09-04 22:43:58	Namarrgon	Does -Qo /usr/lib/perl5/5.38 return anything after the update to 5.40?
2024-09-04 22:44:03	GenKs	everywhere, I have searched for solutions on Google and who have experiences issues had problem with firefox mainly
2024-09-04 22:44:19	printfdebugging	My window manager kept on crashing. I thought it's the window manager's problem, then tried to blame the compositor, .. still had this issue. Turns out that it was the iGPU. I bought a dp to hdmi converter, and things have been running smoothly ever since.
2024-09-04 22:44:40	GenKs	I can't do the "pinch to zoom" in every application, also in a PDF viewer for example
2024-09-04 22:44:58	kocsi	I'm running KDE Plasma w/ X11 on an older system. Tried it with Wayland as well, but it was 1 frame / 5 sec likely due to very old nvidia driver needed for my card. KDE Plasma itself doesn't seem to be very snappy though and I seem to be getting random crashes. Any recommendations on what would make a better DE? 
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2024-09-04 22:46:06	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1391 apodos (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1391 regular)
2024-09-04 22:46:06	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-04 22:47:53	Strykar	Namarrgon: three hits: /usr/lib/perl5/5.38/ is owned by perl-influxdb-http 0.04-1, /usr/lib/perl5/5.38/ is owned by perl-net-xwhois 0.90-1 and /usr/lib/perl5/5.38/ is owned by perl-object-result 0.03-1
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2024-09-04 22:48:39	Namarrgon	Do you still need any of these? If not then uninstall them and see if the 5.38 directory is still there
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2024-09-04 22:50:56	Strykar	done, thanks!
2024-09-04 22:50:57	monkfish	kocsi: cinnamon and xfce are worth trying, if you haven't.
2024-09-04 22:52:01	gehidore	xfce is pretty stellar on old machines when you want a "DE"
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2024-09-04 22:53:12	GenKs	the event of "gesture_pinch_update" is recognized by libinput debug-events
2024-09-04 22:53:40	GenKs	so probably I have to only map the event to the zoom-in and zoom-out actions
2024-09-04 22:54:54	kocsi	thanks. I'll give xfce a whirl as soon as my system recovers
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2024-09-04 22:56:26	zarac	Is it possible to get account support here? I'd like to report a bug, but don't seem to have my account anymore, nor that e-mail set up to send to accountsupport@archlinux.org . (bug: sway-contrib incorrect file permission for sway-session.target).
2024-09-04 22:56:43	GenKs	I'm following this instructions https://github.com/bulletmark/libinput-gestures
2024-09-04 22:56:44	phrik	Title: GitHub - bulletmark/libinput-gestures: Actions gestures on your touchpad using libinput (at github.com)
2024-09-04 22:56:59	GenKs	*these
2024-09-04 22:57:21	zarac	(...or, maybe someone to verify and report the bug)
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2024-09-04 23:06:17	kocsi	how can my system be oom with 16GB RAM? https://paste.rs/J3ThN
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2024-09-04 23:07:05	kocsi	oops, wrong paste -> https://paste.rs/IgYU4
2024-09-04 23:08:07	nshp	because something used ~16GB RAM?
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2024-09-04 23:09:36	nshp	too much scrollback in your konsole?
2024-09-04 23:09:41	kocsi	firefox is using 12.4GB, but it's virtual
2024-09-04 23:09:58	kocsi	I was running yay -S firefox-esr in konsole
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2024-09-04 23:10:56	astralc	so you know what took all the memory!
2024-09-04 23:11:00	astralc	building firefox!
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2024-09-04 23:14:07	kocsi	firefox != firefox-esr
2024-09-04 23:14:25	kocsi	do I need to add a memory management addon to firefox that unloads tabs?
2024-09-04 23:14:33	kocsi	I don't think I ever went above 8GB under win10
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2024-09-04 23:15:49	kocsi	weird, about:processes does not actually list any high memory usage
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2024-09-04 23:29:41	nshp	kocsi: no, your "yay" is probably what used all the memory, that's what they were saying
2024-09-04 23:30:00	nshp	you recognize that that is compiling firefox from source?
2024-09-04 23:30:23	nshp	that's going to use a decent chunk of RAM unless you really try to tune it down
2024-09-04 23:37:34	astralc	firefox-esr === firefox. it just lts version.
2024-09-04 23:51:13	user1_	I got blackscreen after boot. dmesg | grep amdgpu - nothing
2024-09-04 23:51:35	user1_	RX560 gpu and 4K HDMI display
2024-09-04 23:57:06	lmat	I have some .services that I want to run one after another. I set B.service to "After=A.service" then I ran A.service, but B.service didn't run. Maybe I need to remove the After= and add "Before=B.service" to A.service so that running A will spawn B automatically?
2024-09-04 23:58:08	oscurochu	i want to dual boot ubuntu and archlinux. My ideal solution is one which I don't think is possible... which is to have 2 seperate boot partitions, and lets call it "ubuntu grub" will load the "archlinux grub." the solution i have ran into in the past, which is to have all the kernels in the same /boot partition gets really messy.
2024-09-04 23:58:17	baltazar	lmat: After= is just ordering I think, you also need Wants=
2024-09-04 23:58:35	lmat	baltazar: My services are oneshot; does that matter?
2024-09-04 23:59:00	rcf	It applies to any unit. 
2024-09-04 23:59:45	lmat	Do I need After= or Before=, or can I remove those and just do Wants=?
2024-09-05 00:00:16	oscurochu	i haven't figured out how to make a way for a grub-mkconfig to correctly create a grub.cfg when there is more than one OS on the system when there are two or more linux systems
2024-09-05 00:00:20	baltazar	lmat: https://man.archlinux.org/man/systemd.unit.5#:~:text=Note%20that%20those,with%20these%20options.
2024-09-05 00:00:22	phrik	Title: systemd.unit(5) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2024-09-05 00:00:29	rcf	lmat: you need After or Before to ensure ordering. 
2024-09-05 00:00:48	lmat	Oh, I need B.service to run even if A.service fails.
2024-09-05 00:01:34	rcf	That is the default behavior for Wants 
2024-09-05 00:01:38	baltazar	I guess that would be the difference between Wants= and Requires= so you should be fine
2024-09-05 00:02:53	lmat	okay, I'll give it a go!
2024-09-05 00:03:03	baltazar	yep: https://man.archlinux.org/man/systemd.unit.5#:~:text=Units%20listed%20in,of%20another%20unit.
2024-09-05 00:03:04	phrik	Title: systemd.unit(5) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2024-09-05 00:03:40	lmat	So I'll need Wants=A.service in b.service, then to spawn them one after another, I'll start B.service ?
2024-09-05 00:05:37	baltazar	if you want A to start before B then you need both Wants=A and After=A in B
2024-09-05 00:06:20	lmat	Got it.
2024-09-05 00:08:08	mefistofeles	has the `zoom` package been remove from the extra repos?
2024-09-05 00:08:11	mefistofeles	removed*
2024-09-05 00:10:33	lmat	mefistofeles: I've always installed zoom from AUR.
2024-09-05 00:11:03	mefistofeles	lmat: hmm, maybe I was remembering this incorrectly, one sec
2024-09-05 00:11:21	lmat	mefistofeles: I don't remember it being in official in the last ... ten years?
2024-09-05 00:11:41	mefistofeles	oh yeah, my bad :) 
2024-09-05 00:11:43	mefistofeles	nvm then
2024-09-05 00:15:28	user1_	I got blackscreen after boot. dmesg | grep amdgpu - nothing. RX560 hdmi 4K
2024-09-05 00:18:10	mefistofeles	user1_: what about journalctl? 
2024-09-05 00:39:38	user1_	mefistofeles, I found than it fails to work properly under ms windows too. may be the gpu is fauilty. will check on that later
2024-09-05 00:42:37	lash	i just installed on a lenovo ideapad gaming 3 laptop, there is no audio device, but i can i/o audio if i connect to bluetooth with pipewire-pulseaudio. cabled headset doesnt work either. any ideas where to start looking?
2024-09-05 00:43:16	mefistofeles	lmat: interesting, what does your mixer look like? maybe with pavucontrol
2024-09-05 00:43:22	mefistofeles	err
2024-09-05 00:43:23	mefistofeles	lash: 
2024-09-05 00:43:25	mefistofeles	!tabfail 
2024-09-05 00:43:25	phrik	 0  days since the last tab failure. Completion safety is our union goal!
2024-09-05 00:44:36	lash	@mefistoles just dummy output (when no bluetooth there)
2024-09-05 00:48:34	lash	mefistoles: it says High Definition (HD) Audio, Realtek® ALC3287 codec
2024-09-05 00:48:44	lash	the spec i mean
2024-09-05 00:48:58	lash	https://psref.lenovo.com/WDProduct/ideapad/ideapad_gaming_3_15ihu6?tab=spec
2024-09-05 00:50:00	Namarrgon	Did you install the sof firmware?
2024-09-05 00:51:38	Namarrgon	oscurochu: It would be simpler to create a static grub config for ubuntu's grub and not bother with a separate /boot and grub for arch
2024-09-05 00:53:28	lash	Namarrgon: nope, never even heard of it. It should theoretically work after that?
2024-09-05 00:53:59	Namarrgon	If the hardware requires it then you should see related massages in the kernel log.
2024-09-05 00:54:22	oscurochu	the annoying part, and maybe im doing something wrong, but when ubuntu does its updates and reconfigures grub, it creates a bunch of menu entries for the new kernel, the old kernel, and ALL other kernels, including arch kernel. i wish this could be easier
2024-09-05 00:54:58	Namarrgon	grub is heavily patched on ubuntu, you'd have to ask their support how to prevent it from doing that for the arch kernel.
2024-09-05 00:54:59	lash	@Namarrgon: there is actually. 
2024-09-05 00:55:07	lash	I'll try it thanks
2024-09-05 00:55:50	Namarrgon	arch doesn't version the kernel so the grub config snippet would be maintenance free.
2024-09-05 00:55:56	Namarrgon	Until you change something.
2024-09-05 00:56:20	oscurochu	you have a valid point
2024-09-05 00:56:55	oscurochu	I'm reading somewhere i can create a custom.cfg and put it in /boot/grub/ and itll load both grub.cfg and custom.cfg
2024-09-05 00:57:42	oscurochu	i also wish i could keep my ubuntu kernels seperate from arch kernels. this also just seems like a dream. lol
2024-09-05 00:58:26	Namarrgon	if you don't split out arch's /boot directory then they will remain separate
2024-09-05 00:58:54	Namarrgon	But even if you mount ubuntu's /boot-fs to arch's /boot they won't conflict.
2024-09-05 00:59:30	oscurochu	hm...  i never knew that i could keep them seperate. i've created a lot of problems for myself in the past because of that
2024-09-05 01:00:39	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#GNU/Linux
2024-09-05 01:00:40	phrik	Title: GRUB - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-05 01:01:46	oscurochu	could i just do grub-mkconfig > /boot/grub/custom.cfg or would that have consequences?
2024-09-05 01:01:56	oscurochu	im trying to find the laziest way to do this
2024-09-05 01:02:10	Betal	oscurochu: -o instead of >
2024-09-05 01:02:30	Namarrgon	I'm not sure why you would want to do that.
2024-09-05 01:03:16	oscurochu	because if something goes wrong with a kernel update, i can stil fallback to an old one because itll be in the arch grub.cfg
2024-09-05 01:03:41	Betal	oscurochu: then you install linux and linux-lts
2024-09-05 01:03:42	Namarrgon	When something goes wrong with an ubuntu kernel update?
2024-09-05 01:03:56	oscurochu	i've had issues with arch also
2024-09-05 01:04:13	Namarrgon	Arch doesn't keep an old kernel, that custom.cfg won't help you.
2024-09-05 01:04:46	oscurochu	so the only sane thing to do is just create a static menu for arch, maybe edit 40_custom?
2024-09-05 01:04:59	Namarrgon	That's the laziest way, imho.
2024-09-05 01:05:23	oscurochu	can i steal the menu entries from the grub.cfg i get from arch?
2024-09-05 01:05:25	Betal	oscurochu: archlinux don't keep 280 kernels to cleanup, just install linux and linux-lts, grub-mkconfig should find them, and update grub when there is a version update
2024-09-05 01:06:07	Namarrgon	That wiki page has an example.
2024-09-05 01:06:24	Namarrgon	Since you won't install grub on arch there's no grub.cfg that you could steal it from.
2024-09-05 01:06:55	oscurochu	yes i do
2024-09-05 01:08:39	oscurochu	ill be back
2024-09-05 01:12:46	Betal	Namarrgon: for this use case, would it be easier to setup arch's grub as the main bootloader and create an entry for Ubuntu's grub? or the problem will still be there
2024-09-05 01:13:47	Betal	Namarrgon: ^ trying to understand if this is what you mean with "It would be simpler to create a static grub config..."
2024-09-05 01:13:59	Namarrgon	You could do that but now you have two grubs.
2024-09-05 01:14:21	Namarrgon	By "static grub config" i meant a short snippet to load arch's kernel from ubuntu's grub.
2024-09-05 01:14:33	Betal	oh, so not installing grub in arch
2024-09-05 01:14:36	Namarrgon	Instead of relying on ubuntu-grub's auto-detection.
2024-09-05 01:14:52	Namarrgon	Yeah, i wouldn't install a second grub at all on arch.
2024-09-05 02:02:27	sevu	For what it's worth, I dont use grub in Arch at all
2024-09-05 02:04:32	sevu	I kind of have a problem of that I can't google my problem directly, because firefox / chromium crash on start … I think there was some KDE-based browser, forgot the name. Seems to affect gtk programs only
2024-09-05 02:04:40	oscurochu	when i try to boot, my system tries to mount my encrypted /home partition but doesnt prompt me for a password. it mounts / just fine, so im able to mount it manually... but it hangs for a few minutes first
2024-09-05 02:05:27	sevu	most promising piece of the error message seems to be: ASSERTION: g_log_set_writer_func() called multiple times: 'glib assertion'
2024-09-05 02:05:40	sevu	so … something about glib …
2024-09-05 02:06:18	sevu	Not sure where to dig
2024-09-05 02:19:46	gehidore	I only use grub via systemd-boot chainload to boot from iso
2024-09-05 02:20:09	gehidore	I've boycott grub since they moved to incomprehensible drop ins
2024-09-05 02:36:58	Edu4rdSHL	sevu, glib assertions are usually harmless, looks like another issue
2024-09-05 02:37:04	Edu4rdSHL	Is your system fully up to date?
2024-09-05 02:43:36	sevu	I updated an few years old backup drive, something went wrong during update (terminal with pacman crashed). Later reinstalled all currently installed packages, which added a few more files previously missing. Fully up to date now. 
2024-09-05 02:43:53	sevu	This are the messages I get in a terminal: https://bpa.st/BVMOK
2024-09-05 02:43:57	phrik	Title: View paste BVMOK (at bpa.st)
2024-09-05 02:49:57	sevu	Kind of weird that it crashed with SIGTRAP
2024-09-05 03:23:13	Edu4rdSHL	Looks like an incomplete upgrade
2024-09-05 03:24:17	Edu4rdSHL	Do you use some custom theme by chance?
2024-09-05 03:24:25	Edu4rdSHL	Also, check out pacnew/pacsave files
2024-09-05 03:24:37	Edu4rdSHL	Check pacman -Qkkq
2024-09-05 03:43:00	zayd	where are the sddm config files stored? i want to completely wipe them
2024-09-05 04:30:56	kocsi	nshp: I understand now. Thanks.
2024-09-05 04:31:21	kocsi	is there a way to limit how much RAM yay can eat, and let it swap instead?
2024-09-05 04:35:08	Mount_64	what is the amount of rAM?
2024-09-05 04:35:18	kocsi	16GB
2024-09-05 04:35:29	kocsi	my Konsole crashed three times so far with oom
2024-09-05 04:37:43	Mount_64	cache buffer research
2024-09-05 04:38:03	Mount_64	I will search
2024-09-05 04:52:45	sevu	I could sort out several things witht he pacman command and pacnew / pacsave files. But no clude what to do with some apps crashing with sigtrap from apparently glib
2024-09-05 09:48:32	MrElendig	sevu: I would do a clean install
2024-09-05 09:49:06	MrElendig	other than that, take a look at the coredump
2024-09-05 09:49:19	MrElendig	also pacman -Qm
2024-09-05 10:38:40	dav1d	How do package updates work for arch packages? I am maintaining a lib which is also packaged by arch, I found the source repo and it seems people bump the version manually, is that something I can help with?
2024-09-05 10:39:12	Namarrgon	Not really, unless you become a package maintainer yourself.
2024-09-05 10:40:37	dav1d	Namarrgon, aight, thanks!
2024-09-05 10:42:11	Namarrgon	Bumping $pkgver is the simple part and i don't think it's worth the becoming-PM hassle. The more involved part is ensuring that the package keeps working in its eco-system throughout rebuilds and updates.
2024-09-05 10:42:23	Foxboron	yes
2024-09-05 10:42:31	Foxboron	updating a number is easy, maintaing an ecosystem is hard
2024-09-05 10:42:42	dav1d	I was wondering if I should submit a PR or if that's not really useful
2024-09-05 10:42:54	gromit	dav1d: just out of curiosity, which lib? 
2024-09-05 10:42:56	Foxboron	dav1d: It's not super usefull unless you find other issues
2024-09-05 10:43:04	dav1d	gromit, it's glad
2024-09-05 10:43:41	dav1d	Foxboron, nah would have just been a small bump and could've integrated it into my release process to also submit a pr to the arch package 
2024-09-05 10:44:15	Foxboron	dav1d: You should check with anthraxx, but generally processing an MR takes more effort then bumping the package :)
2024-09-05 10:44:42	Foxboron	If you are the upstream maintainer also testing it on Arch, then I suspect it would be a useful signal
2024-09-05 10:44:53	Foxboron	compared to a random person bumping something with no context
2024-09-05 10:46:14	dav1d	I push the packages to pypi from arch :) - but yeah I get that often easier just to make changes yourself, especially small ones. Thanks everyone <3 
2024-09-05 10:47:08	Foxboron	dav1d: but if there are changes that needs to be done from upstream, contributing that to the package is very valueable :)
2024-09-05 10:47:28	Foxboron	and also helping out with issues and bugreports etcetc
2024-09-05 10:47:36	Foxboron	thats usually where the majority of the work actually is
2024-09-05 10:49:36	haroon_	Hello, I just update arch linux and it seems, that knote is no longer supported. I had a unsaved knote though and need the information of it. I would assume it is saved in a file somewhere, but I can't seem to locate it. Can someone help me out please.
2024-09-05 10:51:07	haroon_	I tried to import notes with marknote, but that doesnt seem to work for me.
2024-09-05 10:52:27	Namarrgon	An "unsaved" knote that is stored in a file?
2024-09-05 10:52:59	haroon_	I had the knote widget, which I used. I don't know if that counts as unsaved.
2024-09-05 10:53:40	haroon_	My entries in that where persistent though boots tho, so I would assume, that they should be saved somewhere.
2024-09-05 10:54:31	Namarrgon	Does ~/.local/share/plasma_notes exist?
2024-09-05 10:54:50	Namarrgon	kde documentation is useless
2024-09-05 10:55:40	gromit	dav1d: yeah for that you can watch the repo on gitlab to be notified of new issues etc. if you're interested
2024-09-05 10:56:06	Namarrgon	dav1d: There's an ongoing push for nvchecker integration, soon you'll be able to annoy maintainers in their sleep by pushing updates.
2024-09-05 10:56:54	haroon_	Namarrgon: Yes, the file exists, but it doesn't contain the notes I had made.
2024-09-05 10:57:23	Namarrgon	haroon_: You can try your luck in the kde channels but if it's not in that directory you're probably out of luck.
2024-09-05 10:59:07	haroon_	Thanks I'll try there.
2024-09-05 11:04:10	Namarrgon	I guess it could be in the akonadi db, too.
2024-09-05 11:14:17	haroon_	I check akonadi, also, but there is nothing there...
2024-09-05 11:18:12	haroon_	I guess I'm out of luck, serves me right to trust a app instead of creating a proper file...
2024-09-05 11:31:25	madprops	anybody else with broken pipewire recently?
2024-09-05 11:31:36	madprops	or broken wireplumber idk
2024-09-05 11:35:36	madprops	or maybe audacious
2024-09-05 11:35:55	madprops	changing songs causes the sound device to fail sometimes
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2024-09-05 11:47:36	dr_lepper	I had a problem with no sound, got fixed by turning the DAC off and back on
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2024-09-05 11:47:54	dr_lepper	dunno what was wrong, pipewire showed all wires connected properly
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2024-09-05 12:22:27	fxuan070	Can IRC be used to log in to the same account on different devices?
2024-09-05 12:23:47	teraflops	fxuan070: you cannot use same nickname
2024-09-05 12:24:22	teraflops	using a relay or similar solves that issue
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2024-09-05 13:05:42	Tigzee	I am getting "/usr/lib/samba/libreplace-private-samba.so: invalid ELF header" when using dolphin.  I have reinstalled samba with pacman but the error still persists.
2024-09-05 13:06:48	teraflops	Tigzee: run pacman -Qo /usr/lib/samba/libreplace-private-samba.so
2024-09-05 13:07:46	teraflops	what's the output?
2024-09-05 13:08:04	Tigzee	error: No package owns libreplace-private-samba.so
2024-09-05 13:08:24	teraflops	so reinstalling samba wont fix it
2024-09-05 13:08:42	grawity	could you `find /var/lib/pacman -type f -size 0`
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2024-09-05 13:09:13	grawity	and maybe `find /usr/lib -name '*.so*' -size 0` out of curiosity
2024-09-05 13:09:21	grawity	normally that file is owned by the smbclient package
2024-09-05 13:09:41	grawity	but it sounds like half your pacman db went poof during some power outage
2024-09-05 13:10:12	Tigzee	grawity: permission denied: /var/lib/pacman/local/base-3-2/files
2024-09-05 13:10:32	Tigzee	that was as root
2024-09-05 13:11:05	grawity	why did you type it with the backticks though
2024-09-05 13:12:20	Tigzee	"/var/lib/pacman/local/base-3-2/files  /var/lib/pacman/local/ca-certificates-20240618-1/files  /var/lib/pacman/local/smbclient-4.20.4-1/desc  /var/lib/pacman/local/smbclient-4.20.4-1/files  /var/lib/pacman/local/lsp-plugins-1.2.17-1/files  /var/lib/pacman/db.lck.deleteme"
2024-09-05 13:12:55	grawity	good, it's just smbclient then
2024-09-05 13:13:00	Tigzee	the other command has no output
2024-09-05 13:13:01	grawity	reinstall it with --overwrite="*"
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2024-09-05 13:16:35	Tigzee	that did it.  It is now also being seen as owned by smbclient
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2024-09-05 13:21:29	Aryan	Hi y'all :D
2024-09-05 13:22:06	Aryan	i'm trying to install a project in arch with pip3 venv, i get this err: https://paste.rs/uh9Md.txt
2024-09-05 13:22:07	phrik	Title: Source Code | uh9Md | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
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2024-09-05 13:24:46	jelle	Aryan:       aiohttp/_websocket.c:3042:53: error: ‘PyLongObject’ {aka ‘struct _longobject’} has no member named ‘ob_digit’
2024-09-05 13:24:54	jelle	this aiohttp version just does not work with 3.12
2024-09-05 13:25:23	Aryan	Ah
2024-09-05 13:25:49	jclsn	How do I use the linux-docs package? 
2024-09-05 13:26:05	jelle	Aryan: we used 3.9.x during the python 3.12 rebuild so try updating it
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2024-09-05 13:37:42	jclsn	Found it already nevermind
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2024-09-05 13:41:53	Aryan	jelle, yeah I just find another project :P
2024-09-05 13:41:56	Aryan	thanks
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2024-09-05 14:57:55	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-05 13:49:20	astralc	Aryan: if needed, you can use pyenv to get older version of python
2024-09-05 13:55:01	Hunts	Aryan: https://github.com/aio-libs/aiohttp/issues/7229
2024-09-05 13:55:04	phrik	Title: Python 3.12: ‘PyLongObject’ {aka ‘struct _longobject’} has no member named ‘ob_digit’ · Issue #7229 · aio-libs/aiohttp · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-09-05 14:08:01	jelle	Aryan: bumping the requirement is like a 1 minute job
2024-09-05 14:42:17	drathir_tor	felixonmars: just in case not sure if already mentioned perl-test-simple have collide files with perl-test2-suite 
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2024-09-05 15:56:14	wyre	lol ... why is apt in extra? 😆
2024-09-05 15:56:29	wyre	I'd say it should be in AUR, shouldn't it? 
2024-09-05 15:56:41	jelle	wyre: we also have dnf
2024-09-05 15:57:09	mpan	Because somebody wanted to maintain it. Period. :)
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2024-09-05 15:57:47	jelle	mpan: it's easy to figure out if you read the reverse dependencies
2024-09-05 15:58:04	_ngn	its in extra so people can easily break their system by trying to install debian packages 
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2024-09-05 15:58:55	mpan	Arch is to ostable. [extra] contains some tools providing entertainment by breaking your ARch.
2024-09-05 15:59:13	wyre	xddd
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2024-09-05 16:02:17	_ngn	mpan: exactly - thats why we need a package that will just break your system as soon as you install it
2024-09-05 16:02:48	teraflops	wyre: I use arch iso with debian tools for debootstraping debian
2024-09-05 16:02:52	_ngn	some mainter should do that it would be funny
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2024-09-05 16:05:27	andreas808	Namarrgon: (an answers to yesterday's comment of yours) Do you mean that I need neither linux-lts-headers or zfs-linux-lts-headers? I browsed through some of the most recent pages of the AUR comments for zfs-dkms, but couldn't find anyone with a similar problem. There were 61 pages in the zfs-dkms-thread and I couldn't find any functionality so search through the AUR comments, so I thought that
2024-09-05 16:05:29	andreas808	I would consults irc while continuing to wade through the comments... :-/
2024-09-05 16:06:39	andreas808	s/so search/to search/g
2024-09-05 16:07:26	Namarrgon	andreas808: You shouldn't need them and i have no idea what these aur packages are supposed to do.
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2024-09-05 16:08:31	Namarrgon	You do need the headers for the actually installed kernels, but you need those to be able to build modules any kernel modules.
2024-09-05 16:08:47	Namarrgon	*to be able to build any kernel modules
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2024-09-05 16:11:02	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-05 15:56:44	wyre	lol ... why is apt in extra? 😆
2024-09-05 15:56:58	wyre	I'd say it should be in AUR, shouldn't it? 
2024-09-05 15:57:10	jelle	wyre: we also have dnf
2024-09-05 15:57:38	mpan	Because somebody wanted to maintain it. Period. :)
2024-09-05 15:58:17	jelle	mpan: it's easy to figure out if you read the reverse dependencies
2024-09-05 15:58:33	_ngn	its in extra so people can easily break their system by trying to install debian packages 
2024-09-05 15:59:24	mpan	Arch is to ostable. [extra] contains some tools providing entertainment by breaking your ARch.
2024-09-05 15:59:42	wyre	xddd
2024-09-05 16:02:47	_ngn	mpan: exactly - thats why we need a package that will just break your system as soon as you install it
2024-09-05 16:03:17	teraflops	wyre: I use arch iso with debian tools for debootstraping debian
2024-09-05 16:03:21	_ngn	some mainter should do that it would be funny
2024-09-05 16:05:56	andreas808	Namarrgon: (an answers to yesterday's comment of yours) Do you mean that I need neither linux-lts-headers or zfs-linux-lts-headers? I browsed through some of the most recent pages of the AUR comments for zfs-dkms, but couldn't find anyone with a similar problem. There were 61 pages in the zfs-dkms-thread and I couldn't find any functionality so search through the AUR comments, so I thought that
2024-09-05 16:05:58	andreas808	I would consults irc while continuing to wade through the comments... :-/
2024-09-05 16:07:08	andreas808	s/so search/to search/g
2024-09-05 16:07:55	Namarrgon	andreas808: You shouldn't need them and i have no idea what these aur packages are supposed to do.
2024-09-05 16:09:00	Namarrgon	You do need the headers for the actually installed kernels, but you need those to be able to build modules any kernel modules.
2024-09-05 16:09:17	Namarrgon	*to be able to build any kernel modules
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2024-09-05 16:17:13	gromit	wyre: because it's a dependency for mkosi
2024-09-05 16:17:32	gromit	It's used to build debian images with it 
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2024-09-05 16:31:22	ℹ 	Anaphaxeton es conocido ahora como Anaphaxaway
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2024-09-05 16:40:00	alwyn	How should I start troubleshooting a connection issue where I can connect on one machine but not another, even though both don't have an active firewall?
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2024-09-05 16:40:56	alwyn	Very concretely, on laptop A I cannot connect to libera on any port whatsoever. On laptop B on the same network it works without issues. Both A and B use identical configuration (literal rsync -a)
2024-09-05 16:41:08	alwyn	I am connected now through web.libera.chat :(
2024-09-05 16:41:30	mpan	alwyn: what error are you receiving?
2024-09-05 16:41:43	alwyn	mpan: just a connection timeout
2024-09-05 16:41:46	◣	feriman (~feriman@user/feriman) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2024-09-05 16:41:58	alwyn	telnet irc.libera.chat <insert port> also times out
2024-09-05 16:42:13	alwyn	plain, tls, doesn't matter
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2024-09-05 16:42:25	mpan	alwyn: does irc.libera.chat resovle to the same IP address on both?
2024-09-05 16:42:34	mpan	Is DNS configured properly on both?
2024-09-05 16:43:54	◥	alwyn72 (~alwyn@user/alwyn) has joined #archlinux
2024-09-05 16:43:59	alwyn72	oops
2024-09-05 16:44:09	mpan	72th copy of alwyn spotted!
2024-09-05 16:44:14	alwyn72	mpan: yes I get the same results from a dns query
2024-09-05 16:44:47	◣	alwyn (~alwyn@user/alwyn) ha salido (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by alwyn72)))
2024-09-05 16:44:50	ℹ 	alwyn72 es conocido ahora como alwyn
2024-09-05 16:44:57	alwyn	better :P
2024-09-05 16:45:08	◣	s8321414 (~jeff@user/s8321414) ha salido (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2024-09-05 16:45:26	alwyn	I tried to connect sufficient times that I cycled through all IPv4 servers
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2024-09-05 16:46:53	mpan	I assume you can connect other things from the same computer?
2024-09-05 16:47:09	alwyn	Yes no problem.
2024-09-05 16:48:00	◣	cloudowind (~cloudowin@user/cloudowind) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2024-09-05 16:48:24	mpan	You said IPv4 and that they are on the same network. Are they both behind NAT? Because I doubt you would receive 2 separate IPv4 addresses.
2024-09-05 16:48:48	alwyn	Yeah I mean not simultaneously :P
2024-09-05 16:49:01	◣	nortega (~nortega@user/nortega) ha salido (Quit: God bless you!)
2024-09-05 16:49:04	alwyn	I ensure I am disconnected from one when I try to connect from the other
2024-09-05 16:49:12	◥	cloudowind (~cloudowin@user/cloudowind) has joined #archlinux
2024-09-05 16:49:17	alwyn	But good to check
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2024-09-05 16:52:46	mpan	Hmm
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2024-09-05 16:53:19	mpan	Then we can eliminate anything on Libera end.
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2024-09-05 16:58:07	mpan	No idea. :/
2024-09-05 16:58:27	susi	how it fails? any textual output?
2024-09-05 16:58:33	◣	cloudowind (~cloudowin@user/cloudowind) ha salido (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2024-09-05 16:58:43	mpan	susi: a timeout, even on telnet attempt.
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2024-09-05 16:58:55	susi	I meant, madprops sound
2024-09-05 16:59:00	◣	\\Mr_C\\ (mrc@user/Mr-C/x-4182445) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2024-09-05 16:59:05	mpan	oh
2024-09-05 16:59:31	mpan	alwyn: no firejail etc?
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2024-09-05 16:59:57	alwyn	mpan: I only have ufw installed but it's inactive
2024-09-05 16:59:57	teraflops	alwyn: tried changing mac address of the affected machine?
2024-09-05 17:00:07	alwyn	teraflops: I have not
2024-09-05 17:00:11	madprops	susi, i haven't seen any output. im trying changing the audio interface of audacity to pulseaudio and see if it happens again
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2024-09-05 17:01:33	susi	madprops: you should look for the output in dmesg/journal, and in journalctl (--user) -u pipewire{,-pulse, ...} and for wireplumber
2024-09-05 17:02:09	susi	there's surely something, and it's probably telling... depends on what 'failing' means
2024-09-05 17:02:12	alwyn	brb let me try
2024-09-05 17:02:42	madprops	susi, failing means the sound stops. and to restore it i have to switch the output device on pavucontrol
2024-09-05 17:03:21	madprops	but next time i'll try to read the error if any
2024-09-05 17:03:41	madprops	also it happens when switching songs
2024-09-05 17:03:43	madprops	not in the middle of them
2024-09-05 17:04:46	susi	yeah, then there's for sure meaningful output
2024-09-05 17:05:06	◣	kts (~kts@103.73.237.20) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2024-09-05 17:05:07	susi	means it's likely not a device issue
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2024-09-05 17:07:02	alwyn1	mind=blown
2024-09-05 17:07:04	◣	cloudowind (~cloudowin@user/cloudowind) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-09-05 17:07:10	alwyn1	Why would a different mac address work?
2024-09-05 17:07:17	teraflops	ban? :P
2024-09-05 17:07:34	mpan	alwyn1: NAT/router configuration?
2024-09-05 17:07:45	ℹ 	alwyn1 es conocido ahora como alwyn
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2024-09-05 17:07:57	alwyn	mpan: nah I tried it on different networks
2024-09-05 17:08:06	alwyn	At home, at work, with a VPN, without
2024-09-05 17:08:22	alwyn	Even govroam
2024-09-05 17:08:24	teraflops	that mac is likely banned on libera
2024-09-05 17:08:33	mpan	teraflops: …
2024-09-05 17:08:33	◣	Anaphaxaway (~blakmetal@user/georgios) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2024-09-05 17:08:41	alwyn	So I should ask in #libera?
2024-09-05 17:08:44	mpan	No
2024-09-05 17:08:49	alwyn	does that make any sense?
2024-09-05 17:08:51	mpan	No
2024-09-05 17:08:58	alwyn	:D
2024-09-05 17:09:11	mpan	teraflops: add ‘;)’ after jokes. 
2024-09-05 17:09:15	hadronized	anyone using wezterm here?
2024-09-05 17:09:25	alwyn	So beyond spoofing my mac address, what can I try/do/look into?
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2024-09-05 17:11:47	alwyn	!give hadronized anyone
2024-09-05 17:11:48	phrik	hadronized: Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2024-09-05 17:12:07	mpan	teraflops: wait, you mean that seriously? :|
2024-09-05 17:12:30	teraflops	yeah I wanted to know
2024-09-05 17:12:42	teraflops	what is wrong with it?
2024-09-05 17:13:49	mpan	Ask #networking what’s wrong with that question.
2024-09-05 17:14:01	◣	cloudowind (~cloudowin@user/cloudowind) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2024-09-05 17:14:05	teraflops	Ialready had my answer thanks
2024-09-05 17:14:22	mpan	From the user as random as I am. :)
2024-09-05 17:14:51	mpan	teraflops: Libera doesn’t know your computer’s MAC.
2024-09-05 17:15:28	◥	levitating__ (~levitatin@user/levitating) has joined #archlinux
2024-09-05 17:15:33	mpan	Nothing knows outside of your LAN.
2024-09-05 17:15:48	teraflops	hmm, makes sense now that I think on it a bit more
2024-09-05 17:16:24	◣	Dj_Dexter (~Dark_X@186.189.96.149) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-09-05 17:16:28	alwyn	So how can it be a solution to my problem?
2024-09-05 17:16:37	MrElendig	unless you use v6 without privacy extension
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2024-09-05 17:17:13	teraflops	I thought on ipv6 but that's a bit tricky because it's not the mac itself but an ip address
2024-09-05 17:17:15	mpan	MrElendig: but Libera can’t know that too. It’s just an IPv6 address to them, and treated as such.
2024-09-05 17:17:41	teraflops	mpan: I asked because libera is the only site that cannot reach the machine unkess they change their mac
2024-09-05 17:17:51	mpan	Existence of correlation between IPv6 address and MAC doesn’t mean it’s taken into account. Many IPv4 addresses also have such correlation.
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2024-09-05 17:18:13	mpan	alwyn: if that was only on a single network, I would say the router is somehow misconfigured. But since it happens on multiple LANs… no idea.
2024-09-05 17:18:35	hadronized	phrik: I know it’s an Archlinux channel so I don’t want to bother too much, we can switch to PM, but I’m having issues spawning a window that doesn’t attach to an already existing GUI, so it’s impossible to have two workspaces open at the same time
2024-09-05 17:18:35	phrik	hadronized: The answer is 42.
2024-09-05 17:18:46	hadronized	ah that’s a bot, nice
2024-09-05 17:18:52	mpan	!bot
2024-09-05 17:18:53	phrik	I'm a bot! ~does the binary solo~ 00001 000011 0000111
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2024-09-05 17:20:32	hadronized	yeah it always feels good to speak to a bot :>
2024-09-05 17:21:02	mpan	hadronized: it basically meant that you should ask a specific question.
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2024-09-05 17:31:04	ℹ 	SubWorx es conocido ahora como Sub|gone
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2024-09-05 18:01:45	varjack	!image
2024-09-05 18:01:45	phrik	varjack: The answer is 42.
2024-09-05 18:01:53	varjack	whats a good image host for the forums
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2024-09-05 18:02:09	varjack	!paste
2024-09-05 18:02:09	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-09-05 18:02:15	Namarrgon	Text is not an option?
2024-09-05 18:02:28	varjack	its a badly rotated monitor that hasnt been fixed in over a year
2024-09-05 18:02:47	varjack	i cant even take a screenshot because the screenshot follows the half-rotate orientation and misses the part of the monitor thats glitched
2024-09-05 18:05:01	Namarrgon	If an explanation doesn't work then try imgur.
2024-09-05 18:06:13	varjack	tada https://imgur.com/a/73zRcnX
2024-09-05 18:06:14	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
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2024-09-05 18:07:21	Namarrgon	Does it work if you rotate in the other direction?
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2024-09-05 18:07:25	varjack	no
2024-09-05 18:07:46	Namarrgon	Which wm is that?
2024-09-05 18:07:52	varjack	its i3
2024-09-05 18:08:05	Namarrgon	The cursor looks good. Have you tested any other wm?
2024-09-05 18:08:28	varjack	i3, xrandr, nvidia gpu with nvidia drivers, though i'm using prime and running integrated unless calling for it
2024-09-05 18:08:33	teraflops	I have that very same monitor
2024-09-05 18:08:45	varjack	intel cpu
2024-09-05 18:09:05	Namarrgon	Is that display connected to the integrated or the nvidia gpu?
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2024-09-05 18:09:15	varjack	its connected to a dock 
2024-09-05 18:09:25	Namarrgon	usb?
2024-09-05 18:09:33	varjack	yeah but connecting it directly doesnt fix it either
2024-09-05 18:09:35	varjack	i'm on a laptop
2024-09-05 18:09:48	varjack	thinkpad p15
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2024-09-05 18:10:19	Namarrgon	Have you tested nouveau?
2024-09-05 18:10:19	varjack	which log has the nvidia mode setting lines? i thought it was dmesg but i cant seem to find it today
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2024-09-05 18:10:40	varjack	no but i did try running dedicated but that caused more problems than it was worth
2024-09-05 18:10:43	Namarrgon	the kernel parameter?
2024-09-05 18:11:15	Namarrgon	modesetting stuff is in the kernel and xorg logs
2024-09-05 18:11:54	Namarrgon	i3 will print to stdout/-err if you didn't set up redirection to a file
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2024-09-05 18:12:33	Namarrgon	teraflops: Don't all dell monitors look the same?
2024-09-05 18:12:34	varjack	last time i looked into this i'm pretty sure its a miscommunication between xrandr and nvidia, because xrandr is telling itself its rotated but nvidia is not doing the rotation
2024-09-05 18:12:43	varjack	you can clearly see it in one of the logs but i'm having trouble finding it today
2024-09-05 18:13:09	teraflops	Namarrgon: I dont think so
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2024-09-05 18:27:48	teraflops	Namarrgon: https://paste.priet.us/IMG_0274.jpg
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2024-09-05 19:08:23	teraflops	varjack: neither a solution nor a recommendation, but have you consider witching to wayland? sway handles monitors pretty well these days
2024-09-05 19:08:43	teraflops	considered^
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2024-09-05 19:15:44	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, are you a wayland endorser? :p
2024-09-05 19:16:12	teraflops	you have to click on my referral
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2024-09-05 19:16:57	teraflops	nah I just don't see the point on staying on xorg these days
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2024-09-05 19:20:28	mefistofeles	teraflops: well, there are still rough edges in wayland, some of those are critical for some use cases
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2024-09-05 19:20:43	mefistofeles	for example, not being able to share your screen in video calls 
2024-09-05 19:21:04	Edu4rdSHL	I was a big anti-wayland user, but since ~1 year ago I have been using day-to-day and it works flawlessly 
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2024-09-05 19:21:18	Edu4rdSHL	mefistofeles, where aren't you able to do that? :p
2024-09-05 19:21:19	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: I've been using it for a while now as well, but it's not flawless
2024-09-05 19:21:31	Edu4rdSHL	I do daily meetings on Slack, meet, teams, etc
2024-09-05 19:21:35	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: zoom, I also can't record my desktop with some apps
2024-09-05 19:21:36	Edu4rdSHL	And have never had that issue
2024-09-05 19:21:39	mefistofeles	Slack is a hit or miss
2024-09-05 19:21:56	mefistofeles	in slack it's wonky
2024-09-05 19:22:04	Edu4rdSHL	mefistofeles, well, I use the Gnome built-in recorder when I need it
2024-09-05 19:22:13	Edu4rdSHL	mefistofeles, never have had issues with that
2024-09-05 19:22:19	Edu4rdSHL	Also works fine on discord
2024-09-05 19:22:26	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: cool, good that works for you, but that's anecdotical :P 
2024-09-05 19:22:54	Edu4rdSHL	mefistofeles, the issue probably is that you aren't running the apps natively on wayland  but on xwayland
2024-09-05 19:22:58	jelle	no problems here
2024-09-05 19:23:17	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: I've tried both, also some apps don't have the option
2024-09-05 19:24:08	mefistofeles	there are also some annoying issues with Qt on wayland
2024-09-05 19:24:32	mefistofeles	namely with how Qt handle multiple screens
2024-09-05 19:24:33	Edu4rdSHL	By default, X clients cant see wayland clients for screensharing
2024-09-05 19:24:41	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: it'
2024-09-05 19:24:44	Edu4rdSHL	But even with that, there's xwaylandvideobridge
2024-09-05 19:24:45	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: it's not that
2024-09-05 19:25:06	lmat	mefistofeles: Sorry for the delay. Here's what pavucontrol looks like with Zoom running: https://imgur.com/a/Y932RWL
2024-09-05 19:25:07	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
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2024-09-05 19:25:19	mefistofeles	lmat: lol
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2024-09-05 19:25:42	mefistofeles	lmat: I can't tell if you are joking, but just in case, that was a tab fail, wasn't for you :) 
2024-09-05 19:27:01	Edu4rdSHL	mefistofeles, well, I have never had these issues so, and I'm even on nvidia :p
2024-09-05 19:27:11	Edu4rdSHL	It can be different wayland implementations
2024-09-05 19:27:17	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: good for you :) are you using gnome?
2024-09-05 19:27:19	Edu4rdSHL	can be due to*
2024-09-05 19:27:22	Edu4rdSHL	mefistofeles, yes
2024-09-05 19:27:27	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: that's part of the reason
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2024-09-05 19:29:25	mefistofeles	non-gnome DEs/WMs have been somewhat second class citizens in the wayland world, but that's definitely getting better. It just takes time.
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2024-09-05 19:30:03	mefistofeles	but that's the thing, sometimes that's critical for users. Not for me, I've been using wayland for a while now, maybe years... but I wouldn't call it flawless
2024-09-05 19:30:10	Edu4rdSHL	You on KDE I assume?
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2024-09-05 19:30:18	mefistofeles	plasma, yes
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2024-09-05 19:35:07	mefistofeles	lol, I just saw this one looking for something unrelated, funny https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d1f2277 
2024-09-05 19:35:10	phrik	Title: Think twice about Wayland. It breaks everything! · GitHub (at gist.github.com)
2024-09-05 19:35:23	mefistofeles	seems more like a rant than anything, but just thought the coincidence was funny
2024-09-05 19:35:48	lmat	mefistofeles: ummm
2024-09-05 19:36:00	lmat	18:43 < mefistofeles> lmat: interesting, what does your mixer look like? maybe with pavucontrol
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2024-09-05 19:36:20	lmat	mefistofeles: Did I misunderstand
2024-09-05 19:37:19	Edu4rdSHL	mefistofeles, yeah, old one. Tbh, the issues mentioned there were almost true at some point, but right now it's mostly fluf
2024-09-05 19:38:14	Edu4rdSHL	I wrote a couple months ago https://www.edu4rdshl.dev/posts/my-move-to-wayland-it-s-finally-ready/
2024-09-05 19:38:15	phrik	Title: My move to wayland: it's finally ready | Eduard's Blog (at www.edu4rdshl.dev)
2024-09-05 19:38:16	mefistofeles	lmat: yes, sorry,that message was intended for another user, their username was also starting with "l"
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2024-09-05 19:38:27	mefistofeles	lmat: they were having problem with audio
2024-09-05 19:38:33	Antiz	dav1d: Hey 👋 Are you still around?
2024-09-05 19:38:52	dav1d	Antiz, hi
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2024-09-05 19:39:10	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: that gist seems to be updated on a frequent basis, 3 days ago last update it seems
2024-09-05 19:39:20	mefistofeles	some of the issues has been marked as solved or so
2024-09-05 19:39:34	Antiz	dav1d: I'm trying to build/update latest glad in [extra] but  I'm having some tests failing. Mind if I PM you?
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2024-09-05 19:39:46	Antiz	I can also just open an upstream issue on GitHub if you prefer.
2024-09-05 19:39:52	dav1d	Sure go for it, they passed on github :(
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2024-09-05 19:41:06	lmat	mefistofeles: :-D
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2024-09-05 19:41:57	lmat	mefistofeles: It made sense to me (sort of) if you were having audio issues with Zoom and wanted help debugging ^_^
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2024-09-05 19:42:54	Edu4rdSHL	mefistofeles, most issues are app-specific ones where devs simply doesn't want to add wayland support. And, from that list I only recognize like 3 apps :p
2024-09-05 19:42:57	Edu4rdSHL	But well
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2024-09-05 19:43:19	Edu4rdSHL	I prefer to be based on my personal experience, anyways
2024-09-05 19:43:27	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: right, but I think the main pain point is a valid one
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2024-09-05 19:43:59	mefistofeles	Edu4rdSHL: if users depend on devs to decide their wayland experience, that's not great
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2024-09-05 19:44:13	mefistofeles	no real standard (especially outside gnome)
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2024-09-05 19:46:07	Edu4rdSHL	I agree
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2024-09-05 19:46:22	mefistofeles	now, it's complicated, since X11 is just unmaintainable... and having something that can support all the use cases that X11 supported is also unrealistic. I think wayland is doing a good job in general to cover for that, but I don't know how sustainable that is in the future, if it expects every app dev to be aware of the changes and wayland being "just a protocol" 
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2024-09-05 19:46:36	Edu4rdSHL	Every experience varying on every DE/WM implementation is definitely not good for users
2024-09-05 19:47:05	mefistofeles	I think the real concern of wayland potentially splintering an already tiny and divided market is valid
2024-09-05 19:47:06	plasma	mefistofeles: no
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2024-09-05 20:17:56	knghtbrd	Did I do it rite? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNOME/Tips_and_tricks#Dconf_(gsettings)_database_stored_as_a_text-based_file
2024-09-05 20:17:57	phrik	Title: GNOME/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-05 20:18:57	knghtbrd	first wiki contribution 😛
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2024-09-05 20:23:43	fierycloud	Hello. Just started using arch this week and I've been loving it. One weird thing I noticed. I only installed xorg packages as per the docs and then installed "gnome". Today I saw that Xwayland is running, which I found odd. I don't see wayland as part of the installed packages, but I don't see any evidence of xorg running. Does the gnome metapackage sets up wayland anyway?
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2024-09-05 20:24:12	topcat001	knghtbrd - cool
2024-09-05 20:25:11	knghtbrd	topcat001: It's still obnoxious to have one file that changes constantly if you sneeze, but you can see how it changed and keep it in git
2024-09-05 20:26:12	Namarrgon	fierycloud: Most gui stuff pulls in wayland via their toolkits and gnome defaults to wayland anyway.
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2024-09-05 20:28:37	knghtbrd	topcat001: I am still wondering if/how to xref from anything not gnome-specific since I don't/won't use gnome and I'd never have found that it it had been there before I started looking for a way to do it.
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2024-09-05 20:30:18	knghtbrd	The only GTK-based desktop I'm sure doesn't use it is XFCE. LXDE might not either if that's even still maintained at this point.
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2024-09-05 20:31:37	fierycloud	Namarrgon: hm, so I might as well just remove all the xorg packages? What makes me most confused is that I don't have xorg-xwayland installed (which is the package they tell you to install in the wayland wiki). Is it just included in some other package?
2024-09-05 20:32:42	Namarrgon	Where did you see xwayland running?
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2024-09-05 20:34:16	fierycloud	when I ps aux I see this line, which makes me think it's definitely there: "rafael      5750  0.0  0.9 616984 152560 ?       Sl   18:41   0:01 /usr/bin/Xwayland :0 -rootless -noreset -accessx -core -auth /run/user/1001/.mutter-Xwaylandauth.DIHBT2 -listenfd 4 -listenfd 5 -displayfd 6 -initfd 7 -byteswappedclients -enable-ei-portal"
2024-09-05 20:34:25	fierycloud	but if I run "pacman -Qqe | grep -i wayland" I get nothing
2024-09-05 20:34:39	Namarrgon	pacman -Qs xwayland
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2024-09-05 20:34:53	Namarrgon	-e is for explicitly installed packages
2024-09-05 20:35:02	fierycloud	ah, it does show up then
2024-09-05 20:35:10	fierycloud	It makes sense now
2024-09-05 20:35:28	fierycloud	yeah, I presume it just got pulled in by gnome then. Thanks :)
2024-09-05 20:35:40	Namarrgon	pactree -r xorg-xwayland
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2024-09-05 20:37:08	fierycloud	ah, it's actually pulled by gdm. That makes sense given the things I read online as well
2024-09-05 20:37:47	teraflops	fierycloud: gnome defaults to wayland unless you are using nvidia (requires an additional command for gdm to use wayland)
2024-09-05 20:37:54	Edu4rdSHL	Also, you can't just "remove all xorg" packages, some are still required by gnome
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2024-09-05 20:38:37	fierycloud	I may as well just give wayland another shot. I was using it in ubuntu and I was blaming it for some stuff that maybe it didn't deserve the blame for 
2024-09-05 20:38:59	topyli	There are many apps which aren't yet wayland-ready.
2024-09-05 20:39:24	topyli	So have xwaydand there.
2024-09-05 20:39:57	fierycloud	These transitions are always painful :(
2024-09-05 20:40:13	Edu4rdSHL	fierycloud, some tips, especially for the best experience on Gnome + Wayland: https://www.edu4rdshl.dev/posts/my-move-to-wayland-it-s-finally-ready/ - basically a recopilation on how run apps natively on wayland, as many doesn't default to it
2024-09-05 20:40:14	phrik	Title: My move to wayland: it's finally ready | Eduard's Blog (at www.edu4rdshl.dev)
2024-09-05 20:40:40	fierycloud	Thanks :)
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2024-09-05 20:42:55	lash	thanks for the help re audio on ideapad 3 gaming, works with that module. 
2024-09-05 20:43:55	lash	have another question regarding usbc displayport not detecting screen, switches to billboard. i am not sure which driver i should be using, it's nvidia 3d controller with intel vga adapter (lshw says), is it intel driver then?
2024-09-05 20:44:03	lash	ive tried with nvidia driver too, doesnt change anything.
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2024-09-05 20:49:29	fierycloud	https://buymeacoffee.com/edu4rdshl gives me a 404
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2024-09-05 20:50:43	Edu4rdSHL	fierycloud, eeeh, good catch. They are kinda idiot. I have a project called "Findomain" which is a recon/vulnerability discovery framework and they relate it to something called "Financial Domination" and keeps suspending my account...
2024-09-05 20:51:23	Edu4rdSHL	> We regret to inform you that our moderation team has suspended your account due to concerns regarding adult content. Unfortunately, we cannot continue to maintain your account as a result.
2024-09-05 20:51:25	Edu4rdSHL	Lmao
2024-09-05 20:51:28	teraflops	selfhost!
2024-09-05 20:51:36	fierycloud	ouch
2024-09-05 20:52:18	astralc	tell them it is about fish farms
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2024-09-05 20:52:52	fierycloud	I learnt so many things today :P
2024-09-05 20:52:56	teraflops	heh
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2024-09-05 21:03:08	kocsi	I've managed to replace KDE Plasma with Xfce for better performance. How do I make the apps on the panel grow horizontally instead of vertically when using a multirow panel with labels on?
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2024-09-05 21:04:39	kocsi	I've been trying shenanigans like /panels/panel-1/row-0/layout-mode in xfconf-query without luck
2024-09-05 21:05:09	MrElendig	spoiler: plasma actually has better performance at most tasks than xfce
2024-09-05 21:05:15	DeepDayze	Agreed
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2024-09-05 21:05:25	DeepDayze	Plasma is actually more stable
2024-09-05 21:05:44	Edu4rdSHL	Let me doubt about stability
2024-09-05 21:05:44	DeepDayze	Gnome, not so much
2024-09-05 21:05:47	MrElendig	that it's not
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2024-09-05 21:05:58	MrElendig	plasma is way more crashy/buggy than xfce
2024-09-05 21:06:04	DeepDayze	The wayland plasma is buggier
2024-09-05 21:06:07	Edu4rdSHL	xfce is probably the most stable DE
2024-09-05 21:06:08	kocsi	when I've tried plasma with wayland, it was like 1 fps / 5 sec, likely due to the old nvidia driver that I had to use with my gtx670
2024-09-05 21:06:25	kocsi	plasma with x11 kept doing artifacts on occasion as well, besides the performance issues
2024-09-05 21:06:33	kocsi	so far xfce seems actually snappy
2024-09-05 21:06:33	astralc	you install gnome. it activate tracker. now your ram is 100% used
2024-09-05 21:06:42	DeepDayze	Wayland itself isn't too stable
2024-09-05 21:06:44	DeepDayze	yet
2024-09-05 21:06:52	MrElendig	astralc: not common, unlike with the kde one
2024-09-05 21:06:52	astralc	plasma wayland?
2024-09-05 21:06:59	DeepDayze	yeah
2024-09-05 21:07:05	MrElendig	though it can happen with tracker too
2024-09-05 21:07:05	astralc	I had problem with tracker
2024-09-05 21:07:10	astralc	never with baloo
2024-09-05 21:07:18	DeepDayze	baloo I disable first
2024-09-05 21:07:31	MrElendig	baloo is infamous for it, it's so bad that the kde devs tried to rewrite it twice
2024-09-05 21:07:33	kocsi	I'm glad I kicked the debate off, but anyway, regarding horizontal growth on apps instead of vertical?
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2024-09-05 21:07:37	DeepDayze	baloo is just as bad as Gnome tracker
2024-09-05 21:07:38	MrElendig	but never got around to finish it
2024-09-05 21:08:25	Edu4rdSHL	gnome tracker issues are rare tbh
2024-09-05 21:08:27	MrElendig	ironically some kde devs argued that they should adopt tracker
2024-09-05 21:09:42	gog	yeah i typically disable desktop search too
2024-09-05 21:09:46	gog	in all my years of using kde
2024-09-05 21:09:53	MrElendig	what will hopefully happen is that they add another layer so that you can pick your backend
2024-09-05 21:10:28	MrElendig	idealy it would be a standarised freedesktop api, but since it's kde that won't happen
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2024-09-05 21:12:09	Edu4rdSHL	kocsi, after changing these options, did you logout/in or at least restarted the panel?
2024-09-05 21:12:28	MrElendig	specially if you had long legs
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2024-09-05 21:12:45	MrElendig	bha wrong channel
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2024-09-05 21:12:49	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2024-09-05 21:13:39	MrElendig	xfce panel really doesn't do multirow at all
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2024-09-05 21:15:10	MrElendig	https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/-/issues/721 etc
2024-09-05 21:15:13	kocsi	Edu4rdSHL, did xfce4-panel -r
2024-09-05 21:15:14	phrik	Title: Enhancement: Add toggle option to switch between column or row-first order placement of entries in task list (#721) · Issues · Xfce / xfce4-panel · GitLab (at gitlab.xfce.org)
2024-09-05 21:15:30	Edu4rdSHL	Well, what MrElendig linked
2024-09-05 21:15:33	kocsi	MrElendig, good one
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2024-09-05 21:16:38	kocsi	time to get used to it then
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2024-09-05 21:17:57	kocsi	btw, setting up Super L for opening the whisker menu (instead of xfce application menu) resulted in super+arrows being completely unresponsive for tiling 
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2024-09-05 21:19:27	MrElendig	kocsi: yes, that is another long standing "feature" of xfce, it doesn't support "naked" modifiers
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2024-09-05 21:20:13	MrElendig	if you bind just super then it will break every super-* combo, same if you bind just alt or whatever
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2024-09-05 21:26:28	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: I noticed I had the page opened, https://paste.priet.us/Mymovetowayland_itsfinallyready_EduardsBlog.pdf
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2024-09-05 21:28:55	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, :D
2024-09-05 21:29:20	teraflops	I suppose you have a copy but just in case
2024-09-05 21:29:42	Edu4rdSHL	I recently published one about "fixing" Steam (things like download speeds, shaders compilation time, and other things)
2024-09-05 21:30:02	teraflops	interesting
2024-09-05 21:30:14	teraflops	is 404 too?
2024-09-05 21:30:24	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, it's hosted on GitHub pages so basically the "copy" is on a repo 
2024-09-05 21:30:28	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, eh?
2024-09-05 21:30:33	Edu4rdSHL	It isn't 404?
2024-09-05 21:30:49	Edu4rdSHL	It works fine here
2024-09-05 21:30:49	teraflops	can you link it?
2024-09-05 21:31:00	Edu4rdSHL	https://www.edu4rdshl.dev/posts/steam-on-linux-fixing-it/
2024-09-05 21:31:01	phrik	Title: Steam on Linux: fixing it! | Eduard's Blog (at www.edu4rdshl.dev)
2024-09-05 21:31:04	teraflops	thanks ;)
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2024-09-05 21:45:31	toys	Edu4rdSHL: are you creating $HOME/.steam/steam/steam_dev.cfg if it doesn't exist (can't find it myself)?
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2024-09-05 21:53:14	Edu4rdSHL	toys, yep
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2024-09-05 21:53:34	chiselfuse	polkit-agent-helper-1: error response to PolicyKit daemon: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: No session for cookie
2024-09-05 21:53:40	chiselfuse	how do i fix?
2024-09-05 21:54:47	chiselfuse	https://superuser.com/questions/1804149/are-you-supposed-to-run-vmware-with-root-or-is-there-a-way-around-it
2024-09-05 21:54:49	phrik	Title: arch linux - Are you supposed to run vmware with root, or is there a way around it? - Super User (at superuser.com)
2024-09-05 21:55:05	jelle	not supposed to run it at all
2024-09-05 21:55:57	chiselfuse	jelle: what are you talking about? not supposed to run vmware or what exactly?
2024-09-05 21:56:25	jelle	if the virtualisation methods its the least supported I'd say
2024-09-05 21:56:53	chiselfuse	i can't read this sentence either
2024-09-05 21:57:16	jelle	*of the virtualization software on linux its the most annoying one I'd say
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2024-09-05 21:57:49	chiselfuse	jelle: well someone sent me an *.ova file and it doesn't work in virtualbox and instructed me to use vmware instead
2024-09-05 21:57:51	chiselfuse	so
2024-09-05 21:57:53	chiselfuse	i just have to
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2024-09-05 22:03:33	chiselfuse	garbage
2024-09-05 22:03:45	chiselfuse	have to run it as root i guess
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2024-09-05 22:04:50	Namarrgon	How did you install vmware?
2024-09-05 22:05:15	chiselfuse	yay -S vmware-workstation
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2024-09-05 22:06:00	Namarrgon	Did you read through the aur comments?
2024-09-05 22:06:06	toys	Edu4rdSHL: thank you
2024-09-05 22:08:25	chiselfuse	Namarrgon: i just did, which one do you think would solve my problem?
2024-09-05 22:09:07	Namarrgon	I don't know, but someone else might have had the same issue as you.
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2024-09-05 22:09:27	chiselfuse	apparently no
2024-09-05 22:09:33	chiselfuse	well they did
2024-09-05 22:09:38	chiselfuse	and there's a forum post
2024-09-05 22:09:47	chiselfuse	which just instructs you to install polkit, which i already have
2024-09-05 22:10:03	chiselfuse	closest is the superuser post i posted but i tried it and it still persists
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2024-09-05 22:10:16	Namarrgon	Are all the vmware modules built and loaded?
2024-09-05 22:10:31	chiselfuse	i did reboot
2024-09-05 22:10:46	chiselfuse	i think there's an issue with polkit
2024-09-05 22:10:47	jelle	you can try to unzip the ova
2024-09-05 22:11:05	chiselfuse	and?
2024-09-05 22:11:16	Namarrgon	qemu-image also might be able to convert it
2024-09-05 22:11:36	jelle	chiselfuse: well it probably contains a vmdk
2024-09-05 22:12:05	chiselfuse	oh come on you really think virtualbox does something less sophisticated than `unzip $file`
2024-09-05 22:13:01	jelle	what do you mean?
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2024-09-05 22:13:39	jelle	https://linuxconfig.org/converting-virtualbox-ova-to-qcow2-for-qemu-kvm-deployment
2024-09-05 22:13:40	phrik	Title: Converting VirtualBox OVA to QCOW2 for QEMU/KVM Deployment - Linux Tutorials - Learn Linux Configuration (at linuxconfig.org)
2024-09-05 22:14:13	chiselfuse	jelle: i just mean that i don't think i can beat virtualbox at trying to run the ova
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2024-09-05 22:16:00	jelle	chiselfuse: well one way to find out :)
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2024-09-05 22:18:40	teraflops	chiselfuse: yo can import ova files to vbox
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2024-09-05 22:19:40	teraflops	oh I came late to the party sorry
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2024-09-05 22:59:04	ℹ 	verbotron_ es conocido ahora como verbotron
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2024-09-05 23:02:31	ℹ 	FLHerne es conocido ahora como blaaaaah
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2024-09-05 23:04:32	ℹ 	blaaaaah es conocido ahora como blahh
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2024-09-05 23:04:55	ℹ 	aziz1 es conocido ahora como aziz
2024-09-05 23:05:12	ℹ 	blahh es conocido ahora como FLHerne
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2024-09-06 12:05:57	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-06 12:05:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-06 12:19:16	alwyn	BrainDamage: sorry for the delay. I want one that can play remote media streamed over DLNA.
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2024-09-06 12:25:52	ℹ 	Anaphaxeton es conocido ahora como Anaphaxaway
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2024-09-06 12:47:35	ℹ 	Copy_of_nrg es conocido ahora como nrg
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2024-09-06 13:00:39	teraflops	I miss djmount but sadly it does not build anymore
2024-09-06 13:01:41	HaMsTeRs	I'd blocked all UPnP + all multicasts stuffs in my network
2024-09-06 13:01:58	HaMsTeRs	But still, no idea why all my Apple devices keeps on trying
2024-09-06 13:03:14	HaMsTeRs	I'd already configure NXDOMAIN for it's DOH or QUIP DNS service
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2024-09-06 13:12:17	jclsn	Cross-compiling on Arch is really painful. The ARM GCC versions are in the AUR, but they are failing to build. Why not add them to the Arch repos?
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2024-09-06 13:13:02	BrainDamage	aarch64-linux-gnu-gcc
2024-09-06 13:13:12	jclsn	I need armhf
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2024-09-06 13:13:42	jclsn	For Pi Zero
2024-09-06 13:13:58	BrainDamage	ever since arch dropped the 32 bit x86, there's a bit of prejudice against it, despite it being still widely used in arm world
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2024-09-06 13:15:23	demonicmaniac1	jclsn: because nobody cares to maintain it
2024-09-06 13:15:44	demonicmaniac1	anything not in repos that's not license blocked is just no volunteer has time and nerve to maintain it
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2024-09-06 13:17:59	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-06 13:17:59	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1376 apodos (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1376 regular)
2024-09-06 13:17:59	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-06 13:35:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-06 13:35:35	Betal	I didn't test it yet, but seems like zig can cross compile to arm
2024-09-06 13:35:18	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-06 13:54:20	Exa	Hello, I need to format a USB key to use for "MSI flash bios" which allows to flash the UEFI firmware without having a CPU.  MSI doesn't say how should the USB be formatted but I believe it should use MBR (and a FAT32 partition) instead of GPT.  How can I format my USB key so that it uses MBR?  (Usually I use gdisk but it's for GPT)  Thanks
2024-09-06 13:55:20	Exa	maybe I could install gparted, iirc it had an option for this
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2024-09-06 14:01:22	teraflops	Exa: gparted has that option
2024-09-06 14:01:53	Scimmia	pretty sure gdisk does too. If not, fdisk
2024-09-06 14:01:54	Betal	gdisk x > r > g ?
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2024-09-06 14:03:06	Exa	well, gparted doesn't start on wayland, weird (Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key) though another X11 app works
2024-09-06 14:03:22	Exa	I'll check with gdisk, I thought it only did GPT
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2024-09-06 14:04:59	Exa	I know that gdisk does "protective MBR GPT" but I have no idea if it is supported by MBR-only things
2024-09-06 14:05:12	teraflops	fdisk can with o option
2024-09-06 14:05:26	teraflops	according to its manual
2024-09-06 14:05:46	Exa	(and I don't want to brick my new motherboard so I want to be extra careful)
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2024-09-06 14:56:19	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-06 14:56:19	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1385 apodos (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1385 regular)
2024-09-06 14:56:22	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-06 14:59:53	teraflops	I think it needs to becompiled against a very old libupnp version
2024-09-06 14:59:53	alwyn	teraflops: works for me? :D
2024-09-06 15:00:08	teraflops	alwyn: when did you build it?
2024-09-06 15:00:12	alwyn	just now
2024-09-06 15:00:15	alwyn	AUR package
2024-09-06 15:00:24	teraflops	read the aur comments?
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2024-09-06 15:00:32	alwyn	:D I did not
2024-09-06 15:00:35	alwyn	allow me to do so
2024-09-06 15:01:02	teraflops	what, it built here too
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2024-09-06 15:01:07	alwyn	haha
2024-09-06 15:01:10	alwyn	I didn't change anything
2024-09-06 15:01:15	teraflops	lmao sorry for the misleading info
2024-09-06 15:01:22	alwyn	it just works
2024-09-06 15:01:26	teraflops	alwyn: I think it is the best client for upnp
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2024-09-06 15:02:01	alwyn	I see
2024-09-06 15:02:13	alwyn	What player do you combine it with?
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2024-09-06 15:06:14	snoriman	hey! sorry if this is a silly question; but it's my first time doing this specifically ... I've got a VPS and the provider has an option they called "Block Storage" which I can enable to add a HDD to my VPS instance. I've bought it and `lsblk` indeed shows my new 2TB drive. Before I can use this they tell me to use `parted` first to create a partition. In the past I have used `fdisk` and `gdisk`
2024-09-06 15:06:16	snoriman	but not `parted`; I guess all these tools can be used? Is there maybe a wiki page about this?
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2024-09-06 15:10:10	Namarrgon	If it's just a regular blockdevice you can use whatever partitioning tool you want.
2024-09-06 15:10:21	Namarrgon	Or not partition it at all if you want to.
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2024-09-06 15:11:12	snoriman	Namarrgon: I see, thanks; as I want to use it as a "storage" for media, I guess just creating one big partition would be ok? Or do I need to consider something here (?)
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2024-09-06 15:12:50	Namarrgon	You could "thin-provision" it and not use the entire space if you don't need it right away, in case you come up with some new idea tomorrow. Otherwise one large partition it is.
2024-09-06 15:13:16	Namarrgon	lvm/btrfs is also an option
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2024-09-06 15:13:31	Namarrgon	Or encrypt it.
2024-09-06 15:13:53	snoriman	ok thanks! 
2024-09-06 15:14:19	teraflops	alwyn: `djmount -o playlists mountpoint` to mount media as .m3u files
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2024-09-06 15:18:11	snoriman	ok nice, that's working :) 
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2024-09-06 15:19:06	snoriman	Now I want to move my current storage path that minio uses (/srv/minio) to this newly mounted disk. Does someone has an idea how one can do that? Currently I'm using the default minio install
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2024-09-06 15:20:07	Namarrgon	I don't know what minio is but either mount the new fs to /srv/ or /srv/minio ?
2024-09-06 15:20:50	snoriman	yeah I thought about that, though /srv/minio has some data already and I'm not sure if I can simply move/copy that to this new disk
2024-09-06 15:21:20	Namarrgon	make sure that nothing is using /srv/minio, then move it to the new fs and mount the new fs in place of the old directory.
2024-09-06 15:21:25	snoriman	This tells me I can indeed simply copy the files: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/71175590/minio-data-transfer 
2024-09-06 15:21:27	phrik	Title: Minio data transfer - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
2024-09-06 15:21:34	snoriman	yeah 
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2024-09-06 15:22:59	alwyn	MinIO... shudders
2024-09-06 15:23:36	snoriman	alwyn: why?
2024-09-06 15:24:12	alwyn	It's probably fine with a single node deployment but I am using MinIO professionally in a highly available distributed environment and we have a sizeable amount of issues with it
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2024-09-06 15:24:37	snoriman	alwyn: ah! good to know
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2024-09-06 15:24:55	alwyn	Should be fine for homelab and the like though
2024-09-06 15:25:06	alwyn	Interesting alternative to look at might be seaweedfs
2024-09-06 15:25:28	snoriman	alwyn: do you then maybe know if changing the path where data is stored is simply a matter of moving the files from the current location, updating the config and restarting? (for a single instance)
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2024-09-06 15:25:49	⚡ 	snoriman googles seaweedfs
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2024-09-06 15:28:51	alwyn	Honestly that usecase is outside of my expertise. To be on the safe side I would start a second minio instance and run mcli mirror or use batch replication, assuming you don't have tens or hundreds of buckets
2024-09-06 15:29:55	snoriman	ok thanks, yeah that might be another option too; but I can also simply test :) there is not much data in it atm.
2024-09-06 15:30:50	snoriman	though, the default systemd service for minio uses /srv/minio .... I would like to use /mnt/bigstorage/minio .. what is the correct way to make sure that minio uses that path via systemd? 
2024-09-06 15:31:47	snoriman	or can I just edit the service file directly maybe?
2024-09-06 15:31:58	minus	nah minio is definitely not fine in single node mode. and its site-to-site replication is completely unreliable
2024-09-06 15:32:08	alwyn	!aw minio
2024-09-06 15:32:09	phrik	alwyn: MinIO - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/MinIO
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2024-09-06 15:32:47	⚡ 	snoriman facepalms, sorry I should have googled
2024-09-06 15:32:49	alwyn	minus: nice. I see so many people raving about it in homelab communities, so I kind of assumed
2024-09-06 15:33:46	teraflops	snoriman: can't you just rsync to the new disk and then mount it in /srv/minio?
2024-09-06 15:34:02	minus	running it ontop of a vsan and its performance is beyond terrible still. replacing it with zfs + a simple http get/put server
2024-09-06 15:34:05	snoriman	teraflops: yeah I'm going to do something like that
2024-09-06 15:35:42	alwyn	we wanted to migrate away from it but the vendor we picked ended up discontinuing the version of the product we wanted lol
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2024-09-06 15:36:41	alwyn	anyhow, distributed storage is complicated as fuck
2024-09-06 15:36:54	minus	agreed
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2024-09-06 15:38:59	snoriman	moving/copying the data did work 
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2024-09-06 15:41:24	rwhoops	What's the best procedure for bisecting the kernel these days? My plan now is to adjust the source=() of the regular linux package to pull from the kernel's git repo. That seems better than starting from linux-git from the AUR, as this seems to pull Linus's own config 
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2024-09-06 15:43:22	Namarrgon	Last time i looked at linux-git it was pulling linus' tree, not gkh's stable branch.
2024-09-06 15:44:21	rwhoops	Namarrgon: right! good catch 
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2024-09-06 16:41:31	tippfehlr	What’s the proper way to package with a specific java version? do I need to set PATH?
2024-09-06 16:41:57	jelle	use archlinux-java
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2024-09-06 16:45:59	BrainDamage	that sets it system wide
2024-09-06 16:46:48	jelle	tippfehlr: then the answer is java-enviroment==X
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2024-09-06 16:47:59	tippfehlr	ok, but that only insures it is installed, right?
2024-09-06 16:48:01	jelle	ie. https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/freeplane/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads#L14
2024-09-06 16:48:03	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / freeplane · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-09-06 16:48:14	BrainDamage	if you need to run a java command with a specific version without changing the system one, you'll have to replicate part of archlinux-java functionality by setting PATH, if there' a way to do it otherwise, I don't know
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2024-09-06 16:48:51	BrainDamage	there's a handy aur script to do it on the fly for child processes, but nothing in the official tooling to my knowledge
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2024-09-06 18:38:18	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-06 18:38:18	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-06 19:00:01	teraflops	every time I open a terminal or just press ctrl + c in a trminal in the journal appears:sep 06 18:58:07 zeph sudo[4703]: teraflops : a password is required ; TTY=pts/1 ; PWD=/home/teraflops ; USER=root ; COMMAND=validate did anyone notice it in their systems?
2024-09-06 19:00:36	jl2	Hi, I have a egpu that will not wake up from suspend
2024-09-06 19:01:28	jl2	The journal does say it enters suspension successfully, but doesn't say it resumes
2024-09-06 19:01:31	BrainDamage	teraflops: some script sourced in your profile/shellrc?
2024-09-06 19:01:39	teraflops	hmm
2024-09-06 19:01:45	teraflops	let me check, thanks
2024-09-06 19:01:52	jl2	Whenever I try to resume, it will simply hang up and do nothing, forcing me to force-reboot
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2024-09-06 19:03:15	jl2	it will end with these lines:
2024-09-06 19:03:17	jl2	Sep 06 18:58:03 yoga systemd-sleep[6109]: Performing sleep operation 'suspend'...
2024-09-06 19:03:17	jl2	Sep 06 18:58:03 yoga kernel: PM: suspend entry (s2idle)
2024-09-06 19:03:17	jl2	Sep 06 18:58:03 yoga kernel: Filesystems sync: 0.027 seconds
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2024-09-06 19:07:54	hashyk	I wonder what is a perspective of a long-term ArchLinux user? Was it worth the effort? Didn't you switch to other distros along the way?
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2024-09-06 19:09:36	teraflops	BrainDamage: [[ $- = *i* ]] && source $HOME/git/liquidprompt/liquidprompt :(
2024-09-06 19:09:36	llua	sure, no.
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2024-09-06 19:10:12	Namarrgon	I switched from other distros to arch and it's still one of the best desktop distros for users that don't mind to get their hands dirty sometimes.
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2024-09-06 19:11:59	jl2	Is there at least a way to prevent the system from suspending if the gpu is present?
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2024-09-06 19:12:29	hashyk	Thx @llua @Namarrgon
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2024-09-06 19:19:13	mental_pad	hashyk: used manjaro for 2 years, and now I'm planning to switch to arch on main computer. Btw, my desktop PC is already on arch - and everything wents fine.
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2024-09-06 19:19:53	topyli	So, I'm installing pidgin and it looks ugly, I don't remember what I need to install to support pretty gtk3. Help.
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2024-09-06 19:20:26	topyli	Or is it even gtk2, who knows how ancient it is.
2024-09-06 19:20:48	mefistofeles	hashyk: it's more of a question of new linux users vs not. I think arch is good for experienced linux users that already went through the "distro hopping" phase and want somthing that's rolling release and don't mind having to configure things themselves sometimes
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2024-09-06 19:21:19	mefistofeles	hashyk: so in that sense, it's probably not common for a "happy arch user" to hop onto other distros
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2024-09-06 19:22:16	mental_pad	topyli: if pidgin requires some gtk version - shouldn't it be in its dependency list?
2024-09-06 19:22:47	topcat001	I can't imagine using any other distro now. It's very unlikely I will switch to another distro for my Linux needs.
2024-09-06 19:22:48	topyli	Certainly should, but apparently isn't.
2024-09-06 19:23:01	mental_pad	topyli: all I can say - I tried pidgin a couple of days ago and it was ugly too :)
2024-09-06 19:23:07	topyli	Got the flatpak, problem solved :-)
2024-09-06 19:23:22	topcat001	Although my work machine runs Ubuntu because of IT requirements
2024-09-06 19:23:32	mental_pad	topyli: wow, thanks. I'll try too
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2024-09-06 19:24:19	topcat001	I used Manjaro very briefly and then slapped myself, finally installing Arch
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2024-09-06 19:24:47	topcat001	I do love Gentoo though, and now they even have bin packages :)
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2024-09-06 19:26:04	topcat001	One more thing - the Arch PKGBUILD based build system is great
2024-09-06 19:26:10	Ingar	+1
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2024-09-06 19:27:02	mefistofeles	!as
2024-09-06 19:27:02	phrik	Arch Sucks™
2024-09-06 19:27:12	topcat001	!assss
2024-09-06 19:27:13	phrik	Most problems can be created by installing Arch
2024-09-06 19:27:16	topcat001	hehe
2024-09-06 19:27:53	ℹ 	m5zs7k_ es conocido ahora como m5zs7k
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2024-09-06 19:31:09	topyli	I suddenly remember why I stopped using Pidgin years ago. I don't need a fancy multi-protocol thing.
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2024-09-06 19:31:59	topyli	I'm just using XMPP and the IRC transport.
2024-09-06 19:32:23	mefistofeles	!best
2024-09-06 19:32:24	phrik	Use whatever suits _you_ best.
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2024-09-06 19:52:46	aljustiet	topyli: How?
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2024-09-06 19:53:54	rav	what is most up to day way to find package by file/program name?
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2024-09-06 19:57:49	dcb	something like `pacman -Fy <name-of-the-file>`?
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2024-09-06 20:05:20	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-06 19:58:38	monkfish	rav: -Qo if installed, -F if not.j
2024-09-06 20:05:20	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-06 20:05:22	epestr	I have an issue with backlight in arch, and it seems everyone running victus in arch has this problem, so the backlight is either set to 0 to 1 always based on kernel parameters (acpi_backlight), so anyone has any idea on whats going on?
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2024-09-06 20:15:37	gehidore	have you tried messing with acpi_osi stuff?
2024-09-06 20:17:23	espresso	or hopefully revealing, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%253Abbs.archlinux.org+acpi_backlight
2024-09-06 20:17:24	phrik	Title: site%3Abbs.archlinux.org acpi_backlight at DuckDuckGo (at duckduckgo.com)
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2024-09-06 20:22:30	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-06 20:23:19	demonicmaniac1	epestr: as in hp victus laptop with dual amd gpu? igp + discrete radeon?
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2024-09-06 20:28:10	kocsi	what would be a good linux alternative to greenshot using x11 and xfce? greenshot under windows was very snappy
2024-09-06 20:28:25	kocsi	spectacle under kde plasma was slow
2024-09-06 20:28:25	Edu4rdSHL	flameshot
2024-09-06 20:28:27	kocsi	thanks
2024-09-06 20:28:10	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-06 20:28:11	kocsi	was going to say xfce4-screenshot is pretty barebones
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2024-09-06 20:29:11	kocsi	can flameshot also retrieve images from clipboard? like say I do copy on an image in the browser or an app and then instruct flameshot to open from clipboard?
2024-09-06 20:29:24	ℹ 	intelfx_ es conocido ahora como intelfx
2024-09-06 20:29:31	Edu4rdSHL	Uh no, why a screenshooting tool should do it
2024-09-06 20:29:48	Edu4rdSHL	They are for... screenshoting
2024-09-06 20:30:04	Edu4rdSHL	If you need a image edition program, there are many
2024-09-06 20:30:12	espresso	some screenshotters do mixed-multimedia
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2024-09-06 20:30:26	grawity	some screenshotting tools are better at image editing than many image editing apps
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2024-09-06 20:31:43	ℹ 	psil0cybin es conocido ahora como Psil0Cybin
2024-09-06 20:31:48	kocsi	okay, so maybe flameshot is not for me
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2024-09-06 20:32:34	epestr	demonicmaniac1: discrete nvidia
2024-09-06 20:32:45	epestr	+ igpu amd
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2024-09-06 20:34:55	kocsi	maybe I need a tool then that docks in the notification area and I can right click and select retrieve image from clipboard and then it opens it in a basic image editor where I can annotate it for documentation
2024-09-06 20:35:00	kocsi	o _o
2024-09-06 20:35:06	Edu4rdSHL	Doesn't exists
2024-09-06 20:35:14	kocsi	it does on windows!
2024-09-06 20:35:20	Edu4rdSHL	Use windows then
2024-09-06 20:35:34	kocsi	I knew switching to arch was a grave mistake
2024-09-06 20:35:51	Edu4rdSHL	Sure, if you think that what you have on windows is the same here, you're wrong
2024-09-06 20:35:53	kocsi	KDE Plasma actually had something like this hovering in the notification area
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2024-09-06 20:36:19	kocsi	it was showing a history of clipboard content
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2024-09-06 20:37:22	kocsi	Klipper!
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2024-09-06 20:38:47	kocsi	looks like I need Parcellite
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2024-09-06 20:41:57	kocsi	oh hey, looks like I already have clipman
2024-09-06 20:42:03	kocsi	thanks for your help, Edu4rdSHL 
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2024-09-06 20:42:47	kocsi	guess greenshot under windows is a really powerful multi-tool for how small it is
2024-09-06 20:42:53	epestr	gehidore: yes, I've also read the page for archwiki and tried it all
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2024-09-06 20:49:41	espresso	kocsi: I think you are probably closer than you think, because perhaps most clipboard managers have a history, tray and/or keyboard interface; and any image editor should already have access to the clipboard, so that part is done.
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2024-09-06 20:52:07	ℹ 	d_garbage_ es conocido ahora como d_garbage
2024-09-06 20:52:33	ℹ 	Sub|gone es conocido ahora como SubWorx
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2024-09-06 21:08:32	edgy	Hi all, any font guru here knows how can I use fc-list or any linux command to list fonts with specific feature like smallcaps e.g?
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2024-09-06 21:15:57	Edu4rdSHL	fc-list -v ?
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2024-09-06 21:19:25	edgy	Edu4rdSHL: fc-list -v only shows if small caps is in the name of the font
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2024-09-06 21:20:59	edgy	man fonts-conf shows a property called fontfeatures but not sure how to use it correctly
2024-09-06 21:22:24	edgy	Edu4rdSHL: Noto Serif e.g has this feature, how can i get it listed
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2024-09-06 21:23:03	mkoskar	edgy: fontfeatures in context of fontconfig are features that are actually set, what the font supports can be dumped with otfinfo
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2024-09-06 21:24:27	edgy	mkoskar: I know I can use otfinfo or ttx to dump the info of each font and grep manually but I want to use fc-list to list all fonts that have a specific feature, I guess this is possible
2024-09-06 21:24:52	edgy	mkoskar: like when we use fc-list :lang=kr to list fonts that supports korean
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2024-09-06 21:30:17	mkoskar	edgy: I doubt that's possible
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2024-09-06 21:31:33	edgy	mkoskar: strange. Ok can you please explain what this fontfeatures is used for with an example?
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2024-09-06 21:32:34	mkoskar	I suppose it could be made available in fc-list, it would have to read them, but as you can see in -v output it doesn't
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2024-09-06 21:35:28	teraflops	edgy: you can iterate over fc-list and pipe it to otfinfo -whatever then grep for anything
2024-09-06 21:35:28	ℹ 	ana_ana es conocido ahora como ana_briated
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2024-09-06 21:37:33	mkoskar	edgy: e.g., https://mkoskar.com/p/5XXf.txt ... tl;dr you can use fontconfig to set them, then if you have application that reads them from fontconfig and it uses text shaping library like harfbuzz they get used
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2024-09-06 21:38:53	teraflops	this is a bit rusty otfinfo -s $(fc-list | awk '{gsub(/:$/, "", $1); print $1}') | grep -i arabic
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2024-09-06 21:41:45	mkoskar	oh right otfinfo can take more files
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2024-09-06 21:42:30	mkoskar	teraflops: or you can $ otfinfo -f $(fc-list -f '%{file} ')
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2024-09-06 21:43:02	teraflops	yeah more elegant
2024-09-06 21:43:27	mkoskar	prob better to employ xarg for splitting it into multiple calls too
2024-09-06 21:43:32	mkoskar	*xargs
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2024-09-06 22:13:51	edgy	teraflops, mkoskar: sorry I got disconnected. Thanks for the help. ok I can live with with those commands if there is no way directly with fc-list as I thought possible. Thanks again
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2024-09-06 22:32:10	Strykar	ooh, didn't realize Arch Linux was in its "Gitlab era" since May 2023
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2024-09-07 14:33:46	kokaito	Hello arch!
2024-09-07 14:35:32	Namarrgon	good morning
2024-09-07 14:36:29	kokaito	good morning
2024-09-07 14:37:57	kokaito	I'm a new arch user, I have been living in arch last three months
2024-09-07 14:38:50	kokaito	I learned yesterday to install arch without using archinstall, I'm now on a arch vm running on my arch
2024-09-07 14:39:34	kokaito	I have a doubt about https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture
2024-09-07 14:39:35	phrik	Title: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-07 14:40:01	kokaito	Is this the correct place to ask about it?
2024-09-07 14:40:21	Namarrgon	Sure
2024-09-07 14:41:22	kokaito	I want to use the alsa-state.service so I have to make a /etc/alsa/state-daemon.conf but I can't find by myself an example file of it
2024-09-07 14:43:03	kokaito	Should I make just an empty file in /etc/alsa/state-daemon.conf and that's all?
2024-09-07 14:44:58	Namarrgon	You have to decide which one of the two methods you want to use.
2024-09-07 14:45:18	kokaito	I want to use the alsa-state.service
2024-09-07 14:45:21	Namarrgon	If you want to use -state then you simply touch that file.
2024-09-07 14:45:30	Namarrgon	Now, most people will ignore alsa and either use pipewire or pulseaudio instead.
2024-09-07 14:46:16	kokaito	Oh
2024-09-07 14:47:02	kokaito	I'm using pulseaudio too, so I don't need to use the alsa-state.service to save my settings continously?
2024-09-07 14:47:17	Namarrgon	No, pa will save state by default.
2024-09-07 14:47:51	kokaito	Oh then I'm done with audio configuration! Thanks you so much Namarrgon!
2024-09-07 14:47:57	Namarrgon	np
2024-09-07 14:50:54	printfdebugging	Hi, I bought a dp to hdmi adpater to solve the "xorg crashing on igpu monitor" issue for 7950x, but I was getting washed off colors. so I gave it another try.
2024-09-07 14:51:39	printfdebugging	I found that I hadn't installed xf86-video-amdgpu and xf86-video-ati packages. do they help somehow? When I installed those, all the ports were renamed in xrandr -q (output)
2024-09-07 14:51:53	printfdebugging	testing whether it works or not
2024-09-07 14:57:38	Namarrgon	You don't need either of them.
2024-09-07 14:57:44	Namarrgon	The 7950x has an igpu?
2024-09-07 14:58:26	printfdebugging	Yes, but that is crashing the server for some reason (has been since long time). I manually set 8gb vram for it as well, but that didn't work
2024-09-07 14:59:28	printfdebugging	https://community.amd.com/t5/processors/solution-for-integrated-graphics-crashing-on-amd-ryzen-9-7950x/m-p/686669 I found this related to the issue, but then I couldn't find anything on my motherboard's bios to set the frequency manually
2024-09-07 14:59:30	phrik	Title: Re: Solution for Integrated Graphics crashing on A... - AMD Community (at community.amd.com)
2024-09-07 15:14:37	Edu4rdSHL	You don't
2024-09-07 15:14:58	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2024-09-07 15:16:26	Edu4rdSHL	> You don't
2024-09-07 15:16:31	Edu4rdSHL	Use one or another
2024-09-07 15:16:43	Edu4rdSHL	Using both will only cause you a lot of issues
2024-09-07 15:18:18	Edu4rdSHL	wg-quick is not a network manager
2024-09-07 15:18:24	Edu4rdSHL	netctl is
2024-09-07 15:18:48	Edu4rdSHL	> Profile based systemd network management
2024-09-07 15:19:10	Edu4rdSHL	Also, netctl is kinda ewww
2024-09-07 15:26:57	pintert3	exit
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2024-09-07 15:44:09	tippfehlr	in aurweb with git+ (or any other vcs) urls, they are invalid links at the moment. Is there already an issue to exclude it from href?
2024-09-07 15:44:23	tippfehlr	I’ve searched but didn’t find anything
2024-09-07 15:44:58	Edu4rdSHL	Well, the wiki is also down on some places
2024-09-07 15:45:05	Edu4rdSHL	Maybe there's something happening 
2024-09-07 15:48:11	mpan	AW search is down too.
2024-09-07 15:49:43	⚡ 	docdrow is annoyed that qemu-hw-display-qxl requires wayland to be installed :(
2024-09-07 15:50:53	Edu4rdSHL	wayland ftw <3
2024-09-07 15:51:42	docdrow	I like wayland dont get em wrong, but I shouldn't have to have it installed on a headless minimal server that runs a couple of VMs
2024-09-07 15:51:50	docdrow	ya need the qxl driver to do the initial install of winblowz
2024-09-07 15:52:02	docdrow	you can of course switch once you get a driver installed for something else such as virtio-gpu or whatever
2024-09-07 15:54:50	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-07 16:33:00	mpan	alad: please don’t reduce Arch’s community ability to do floating paw catculations. :(
2024-09-07 16:42:28	alad	:(
2024-09-07 16:53:05	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-07 17:40:14	teraflops	!give alad relaxedpikachu
2024-09-07 17:40:16	phrik	alad: https://paste.priet.us/relaxedpikachu.jpg
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2024-09-07 17:40:41	teraflops	:(
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2024-09-07 17:46:53	ℹ 	minus_ es conocido ahora como minus
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2024-09-07 17:50:57	teraflops	!give alad relaxedpikachu
2024-09-07 17:50:58	phrik	alad: https://paste.priet.us/relaxedpikachu.png
2024-09-07 17:51:06	teraflops	 ;)
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2024-09-07 17:52:54	toys	aww yiss
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2024-09-07 17:56:43	alad	PINA COLADA
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2024-09-07 19:23:35	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-07 19:26:15	koalamaci	how can I solve the display layouts and settings resetting after every screen wake-up? I've had the same problem on both KDE plasma and xfce now with x11
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2024-09-07 19:32:18	koalamaci	every time the displays turn on again, it resets one display and messes up the position of the others
2024-09-07 19:32:21	koalamaci	https://0x0.st/XwED.png
2024-09-07 19:33:00	lash	I still cannot get the lenovo ideapad gaming 3 15ihu6 to show usbc->displayport. now i have a display with a minidp input. syslog shows its recognized as "displayport alt mode" but still no image.
2024-09-07 19:33:11	lash	I've made an issue here too with more details - any input appreciated: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/783174/no-displayport-over-usbc-with-lenovo-ideapad-gaming-3-15ihu6
2024-09-07 19:33:12	phrik	Title: usb - No displayport over USBC with lenovo ideapad gaming 3 (15IHU6) - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
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2024-09-07 19:36:09	koalamaci	ideally this is how I want to keep it at all times https://0x0.st/XwEF.png
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2024-09-07 19:37:07	koalamaci	maybe a script that would auto-run a couple seconds after the screens turn on again to re-read the configuration?
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2024-09-07 19:50:59	another|	NetSysFire: there's also nmap’s ncat
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2024-09-07 20:16:17	koalamaci	teraflops, thanks! autorandr + udev monitoring seems to have done the trick (so far)
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2024-09-07 20:59:26	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-07 20:50:40	lash	sync
2024-09-07 20:59:27	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-07 21:11:51	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-07 21:18:59	ℹ 	printfdebugging2 es conocido ahora como printfdebugging
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2024-09-07 21:37:48	kocsi	I broke lightdm and my screens never recovered after lock + sleep. Had to roll back the changes.
2024-09-07 21:38:30	Edu4rdSHL	If it works, don't touch it :tm:
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2024-09-07 21:47:11	ℹ 	SubWorx es conocido ahora como Sub|gone
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2024-09-07 21:49:34	kocsi	I can live with the login prompt presenting itself on the last focused display I guess
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2024-09-07 21:53:23	manuels	are there any alternatives to flatpak and snaps
2024-09-07 21:53:30	manuels	are snaps that bad at all?
2024-09-07 21:53:35	BrainDamage	appimages
2024-09-07 21:53:44	manuels	the dont distribute
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2024-09-07 21:54:09	manuels	i mean the "the future of software distribution" alternative
2024-09-07 21:54:15	manuels	not just a bundle
2024-09-07 21:54:33	manuels	although it may not be that bad if they are able to update themselves
2024-09-07 21:55:03	manuels	why are guys at flatpak such assholes?
2024-09-07 21:55:30	manuels	i complained about the sandbox and hot basically told to piss off
2024-09-07 21:55:48	manuels	i read regularly similar discussions on the web
2024-09-07 21:56:03	manuels	 "the future of software distribution" they said
2024-09-07 21:56:59	Edu4rdSHL	manuels, what the problem with flatpak is?
2024-09-07 21:57:09	manuels	mandatory sandbox
2024-09-07 21:57:15	Edu4rdSHL	That's the purpose
2024-09-07 21:57:34	manuels	no. painless software distribution was the puropose first
2024-09-07 21:57:35	Edu4rdSHL	Like, that's the whole point
2024-09-07 21:57:43	manuels	then security people came
2024-09-07 21:57:47	Edu4rdSHL	manuels, and it's
2024-09-07 21:57:50	Edu4rdSHL	Plus, security
2024-09-07 21:57:58	Edu4rdSHL	What's the problem there?
2024-09-07 21:58:16	manuels	whats the point of having secure software if you are not able to receive software
2024-09-07 21:58:36	Edu4rdSHL	What?
2024-09-07 21:58:42	manuels	loads of apps need system access
2024-09-07 21:59:11	manuels	and people at flatpak yell ssh into localhost or use flatpak-spawn
2024-09-07 21:59:18	manuels	such a shitshow
2024-09-07 21:59:36	Edu4rdSHL	If a random app needs system access, sound like a bad design
2024-09-07 21:59:53	Edu4rdSHL	What app are you specifically talking about?
2024-09-07 22:00:02	manuels	application launchers temrinals system tools are… bad design?
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2024-09-07 22:00:17	Edu4rdSHL	They work just fine
2024-09-07 22:00:25	Antiz	manuels: If you don't like the sandbox's side of flatpak/snap/whatever, you could stick to "regular" packages?
2024-09-07 22:00:26	Edu4rdSHL	You can give host access to apps
2024-09-07 22:01:13	Antiz	manuels: With the AUR included, Arch should ™️ have pretty much everything you might need?
2024-09-07 22:01:52	manuels	if they depend on PATH? if they want to read /usr/bin? if they want to read env variables?
2024-09-07 22:02:14	manuels	Antiz from the delvelopmemt point of view. not user.
2024-09-07 22:03:01	manuels	the thing is that I we need a stupid simple software distribution architecture
2024-09-07 22:03:09	manuels	for UX
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2024-09-07 22:03:24	manuels	that includes coverage of availalbe apps
2024-09-07 22:03:52	Edu4rdSHL	Develop one
2024-09-07 22:04:08	Edu4rdSHL	It isn't that easy
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2024-09-07 22:04:39	manuels	no I just want to rant about flatpak, because their decision to make sandboxing mandatory is crap
2024-09-07 22:04:47	Edu4rdSHL	It isn't
2024-09-07 22:05:11	Edu4rdSHL	In fact, we needed that on linux desktop since a lot of time before
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2024-09-07 22:05:31	Edu4rdSHL	Also, that's offtopic for this channel anyways, since that there are only pointless accusations 
2024-09-07 22:05:37	Edu4rdSHL	!bail
2024-09-07 22:05:38	phrik	Looks like Edu4rdSHL is bailing out on this one - good luck!
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2024-09-07 22:06:08	manuels	i did not say that we should not have sandboxing at all. it should be optional.
2024-09-07 22:06:27	manuels	okay :D
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2024-09-07 22:13:02	fierycloud	hello, is there some data of number of package updates over time?
2024-09-07 22:13:52	ℹ 	katia es conocido ahora como Katia
2024-09-07 22:13:59	Edu4rdSHL	No
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2024-09-07 22:18:59	blinux	Is there any way to know if an AUR package is too out of date so that it could break the system?
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2024-09-07 22:19:31	Namarrgon	Not in general.
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2024-09-07 22:20:33	BrainDamage	you can find missing sonames and python mismatch with checkrebuild, but it's not an exaustive checklist
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2024-09-07 22:20:47	BrainDamage	I think the package name is rebuild-detector
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2024-09-07 22:21:07	BrainDamage	but as rule of thumb, don't replace key functionality with the aur, you'll be sorry
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2024-09-07 22:21:39	BrainDamage	ffmpeg is usually the main culprit, with many things indirectly linking it, and breaking on an abi change
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2024-09-07 22:24:56	bluetail	Namarrgon is there some kind of filter in AUR? e.g if it's a fork bomb or simply deleting system files?
2024-09-07 22:25:41	Namarrgon	Tags like "this is a virus, don't install"?
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2024-09-07 22:26:17	Antiz	👀
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2024-09-07 22:27:01	BrainDamage	report the package
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2024-09-07 22:27:27	bluetail	I meant more like automatic scans
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2024-09-07 22:28:01	Namarrgon	No
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2024-09-07 22:28:37	Antiz	bluetail: No there's no such thing. You're expected to read the PKGBUILD to judge and acknowledge what you are about to install on your machine basically. 
2024-09-07 22:29:08	Antiz	bluetail: The AUR is moderated but at a "best effort" level (if that makes sense)
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2024-09-07 22:29:55	BrainDamage	there's been a few third party audits of the aur, mostly to satisfy the author's personal curiosity, but the aur moderation doesn't rely on any sort of automation neither first nor third party that isn't in the form of package reporting
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2024-09-07 22:32:04	Antiz	In other words, don't expect the moderation to be aware of (and act upon) every potential problematic PKGBUILDs that lays in the AUR. As said the in the related Arch wiki page: "Any use of the provided files (in the AUR) is at your own risk."
2024-09-07 22:33:15	Antiz	Now, popular AUR PKGBUILDs should most likely be safe though. This does not rule out control, however :)
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2024-09-07 22:36:16	bluetail	Antiz do you read through every line from AUR and the dependencies etc? I usually trust it and hope nothing bad happens.
2024-09-07 22:37:35	Antiz	bluetail: There are certains points of attention you most likely wanna look for.
2024-09-07 22:38:10	Antiz	For instance, verify that the source of the package is the expected one (e.g. the upstream repo and not a forked/altered source)
2024-09-07 22:38:47	◣	Fhraze (~Fhraze@user/Fhraze) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2024-09-07 22:39:04	Antiz	Verify that the files are not patched in a unexpected way (e.g. in the prepare() function)
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2024-09-07 22:39:31	Antiz	Verify that the files installed to the system in package() are not containing any extra/unexpected file.
2024-09-07 22:39:33	Antiz	etc...
2024-09-07 22:39:38	Edu4rdSHL	And verify that the tree sources (especially these .sh ones) aren't hamrful
2024-09-07 22:39:38	Antiz	Those are just examples.
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2024-09-07 22:40:58	bluetail	I mean I remember that not too long ago mkinitcpio was broken, I reported it, nobody believed me and the issue was that despite of all this, I did NOT read the logs of it. And the punishment was that I kept reinstalling archlinux because it was non bootable. So I ended up having lots of kernels, so that one would work. But then the fix came and all
2024-09-07 22:40:59	bluetail	was good. But really, I should read more stuff so that I don't accidentally break again
2024-09-07 22:41:08	Antiz	bluetail: As for the dependencies, I would eventually look over the ones coming from the AUR (if there are).
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2024-09-07 22:41:34	Namarrgon	Some packages use .install scriptlets that are executed at install/remove/update time.
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2024-09-07 23:37:54	popsch	Edu4rdSHL, tree output: https://0x0.st/XwU8.txt
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2024-09-07 23:38:04	blinux	If you did "pacman -Sy" that would get new indexes from the repository. Would that not be a "version" of Arch?
2024-09-07 23:38:31	blinux	That index is system integration of packages meant to work together, correct?
2024-09-07 23:38:34	Edu4rdSHL	blinux, no...
2024-09-07 23:38:39	Warepire	blinux: Don't ever do that except in very special cases (which you will be told about when you need)
2024-09-07 23:39:01	Edu4rdSHL	popsch, how are you starting KDE?
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2024-09-07 23:39:12	blinux	I know you shouldn't do that. Let's just say you did "pacman -Syu" because it doesn't change the question.
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2024-09-07 23:39:29	Antiz	blinux: Everything is just constantly updated.
2024-09-07 23:39:36	popsch	popsch, I'm not starting KDE, I'm using bspwm
2024-09-07 23:39:37	blinux	You have gotten the latest index and upgraded the packages, so avoid mixing packages from a previous index and new index.
2024-09-07 23:39:43	Edu4rdSHL	blinux, TLDR: there aren't Arch versions
2024-09-07 23:39:45	blinux	So, each index would be a version of Arch.
2024-09-07 23:39:46	Edu4rdSHL	That's it
2024-09-07 23:40:03	Warepire	blinux:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release
2024-09-07 23:40:04	phrik	Title: Rolling release - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2024-09-07 23:40:19	blinux	I know it isn't called version. But, there has to be some name I can refer to it for an index that is integrated.
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2024-09-07 23:40:21	Edu4rdSHL	popsch, well, how are you starting it
2024-09-07 23:40:31	Edu4rdSHL	blinux, what's the point?
2024-09-07 23:40:48	blinux	I'm trying to understand how that system integration is possible and how often that index changes.
2024-09-07 23:41:00	Antiz	blinux: If you're wondering how the system is kept coherent: when a new version of lib is out (for instance), mass rebuilds will be done in a separate repo (staging).
2024-09-07 23:41:08	popsch	Edu4rdSHL, lightdm
2024-09-07 23:41:13	Antiz	And then everything is moved as once to testing/stable
2024-09-07 23:41:25	Edu4rdSHL	popsch, does it changes if you use only one monitor?
2024-09-07 23:41:34	Antiz	So we keep the system in a working state when delivering upgrades.
2024-09-07 23:41:47	blinux	There must be an system integration of packages, no, so that a new index is only rolled out that will work with all packages in that index. The index is not simply updated in the repos when a new package is submitted, right?
2024-09-07 23:41:48	popsch	Edu4rdSHL, let me check, need to get offline and best will restart with only one monitor.
2024-09-07 23:42:02	popsch	Edu4rdSHL, but I know that it is ok when I use exactly the same config on a laptop with an intel card.
2024-09-07 23:42:09	Edu4rdSHL	popsch, it would be also good to know how are you "connecting" to the monitors
2024-09-07 23:42:10	Antiz	blinux: The integration is done in a separate repo (as I told you)
2024-09-07 23:42:18	Antiz	blinux: Not the one you would be using as a user.
2024-09-07 23:42:23	Edu4rdSHL	On bspwm you have to do that manually, iirc
2024-09-07 23:42:24	popsch	Edu4rdSHL, HDMI cable
2024-09-07 23:42:32	teraflops	popsch: do you have enabled Kernel mode setting?
2024-09-07 23:42:33	Edu4rdSHL	popsch, from the WM side, I mean
2024-09-07 23:42:41	Antiz	blinux: And then whole rebuilt stack is moved as once to users. To keep the system coherent.
2024-09-07 23:42:50	popsch	teraflops, not that I know. what's that?
2024-09-07 23:42:56	Antiz	blinux: But this is (supposed to be) transparent to users basically.
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2024-09-07 23:43:47	Antiz	blinux: See https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Official_repositories#Staging_repositories
2024-09-07 23:43:49	phrik	Title: Official repositories - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-07 23:44:00	teraflops	popsch: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#DRM_kernel_mode_setting
2024-09-07 23:44:01	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-07 23:44:26	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, that should be required/useful only for wayland, no?
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2024-09-07 23:45:00	cedb	when query aur's rpc for info, is there a way to know if the *depends are aur or binary? 
2024-09-07 23:45:04	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: in theory but Ive seen bad performance on multimonitor setup on xorg due to not having kms
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2024-09-07 23:45:36	Edu4rdSHL	cedb, wdym by "aur or binary"
2024-09-07 23:45:41	Edu4rdSHL	AUR can contain binaries
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2024-09-07 23:45:50	cedb	sorry, meant official
2024-09-07 23:46:15	demonicmaniac1	repo vs aur
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2024-09-07 23:46:31	cedb	say i  wanna fullfill a dep tree, when possible install official package with pacman otherwise fetch and build yk 
2024-09-07 23:46:56	popsch	teraflops, KMS is *not* enabled.
2024-09-07 23:47:04	blinux	OK, so staging is wher integration happens for a coherent set of packages, and when that is complete and I guess it somehow verifies they all worktogether then that index is pushed to the repositories at https://archlinux.org/packages, not sure about "testing" though. 
2024-09-07 23:47:09	popsch	Edu4rdSHL, using only 1 monitor doesn't make a difference.
2024-09-07 23:47:19	teraflops	popsch: so you do not have nvidia modles in mkinitcpio.conf?
2024-09-07 23:47:25	teraflops	modules^
2024-09-07 23:47:40	blinux	Then I would think each version of the repository index would have some versin.
2024-09-07 23:47:43	popsch	teraflops, I have nvidia_drm loaded (lsmod) 
2024-09-07 23:47:53	Antiz	blinux: That's it. Testing is simply a testing repo that act as a buffer for the stable one.
2024-09-07 23:48:03	cedb	so would i need to query pacman for everyone of those *depends and assume the others are aur? cause on the web interface theres a little aur icon that indicates that but i dont see that info in the json
2024-09-07 23:48:09	teraflops	popsch: in mkinitcpio.conf?
2024-09-07 23:48:11	Antiz	blinux: So things may enter testing before going to stable if relevant
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2024-09-07 23:48:22	demonicmaniac1	i think you are mistaken in assuming "everything" is in staging tho when something is rebuilt triggering other rebuilds
2024-09-07 23:48:30	popsch	teraflops, no
2024-09-07 23:48:33	teraflops	ok
2024-09-07 23:48:38	blinux	Antiz, So, installing packages from both testing and core would be like a partial upgrade?
2024-09-07 23:48:40	demonicmaniac1	only things with direct dependencies are rebuilt in staging and pushed as one
2024-09-07 23:49:29	popsch	teraflops, should I add them? (nvidia nvidia_drm nvidia_modeset)
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2024-09-07 23:49:42	Antiz	blinux: Hummm, more precisely, you need to have all testing repos enabled (both [extra-testing] and [core-testing]), alonsigde their non testing counterpart ([extra] and [core])
2024-09-07 23:49:45	blinux	And, I guess once a new index version has been pushed to core, then the old packeges are deleted, so you couldn't use a previous index version to upgrade even if you wanted to?
2024-09-07 23:49:49	Edu4rdSHL	That wouldn't make any difference, popsch 
2024-09-07 23:49:58	Antiz	blinux: Installing only a few packages from testing is indeed considered partial upgrade
2024-09-07 23:50:19	Antiz	blinux: Again, there's no "version", but yeah.
2024-09-07 23:50:21	teraflops	it won't harm, but take into cnosideration adding nvidia hook (it is in the nvidia article) to rebuild initramfs ech time nvidia package gets update
2024-09-07 23:50:21	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, have you tested Gnome 47? :p
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2024-09-07 23:50:32	teraflops	not yet!
2024-09-07 23:50:34	popsch	Ok. Will try to reboot with nvidia_drm.modeset=1 set for the kernel
2024-09-07 23:50:41	Edu4rdSHL	Better
2024-09-07 23:50:42	teraflops	I was playing woth cosmic lately
2024-09-07 23:50:44	blinux	Antiz, well pacman must have a way of knowing if it has the current repository index or a newer version is available.
2024-09-07 23:50:48	Antiz	blinux: https://archive.archlinux.org/ keeps tracks of older version, but the repo index only contains the last one available.
2024-09-07 23:50:48	Edu4rdSHL	I see
2024-09-07 23:50:49	phrik	Title: Index of / (at archive.archlinux.org)
2024-09-07 23:51:01	demonicmaniac1	blinux: it will 404 because the filename contains the epoch and version
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2024-09-07 23:51:19	Antiz	blinux: No, it's up to you to update it
2024-09-07 23:51:21	demonicmaniac1	blinux: it will try to fetch a file that doesn't exist and give you a 404 - then YOU have to fetch a new uptodate index
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2024-09-07 23:52:10	Antiz	☝️
2024-09-07 23:52:14	blinux	If pacman detects it has the latest repo version it won't download the index again I mean. It must have some way to identify if the current index matches. Maybe it is some arbitrary hash like MD5 or SHAH instead of a version number, so there is no concept of progression, or newer.
2024-09-07 23:52:31	demonicmaniac1	timestamp
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2024-09-07 23:53:17	Antiz	blinux: I mean, yeah. But if you try to install a package without an up to date index, it won't stop you.
2024-09-07 23:53:23	Antiz	blinux: That's up to you to update it
2024-09-07 23:53:27	blinux	Ah, so there is a repository timestamp. That repository timestamp is essentially what I mean by version of Arch.
2024-09-07 23:53:39	Antiz	Basically the purpose of `y` in -Syu
2024-09-07 23:53:55	blinux	But, even if there was no time, that version would be the repository index unique identifier.
2024-09-07 23:54:00	demonicmaniac1	there is a timestamp of the .db files when they were "created"
2024-09-07 23:54:03	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: installing it ;P
2024-09-07 23:54:16	popsch	Ok. I think I know the culprit: When I open spotify (flatpak), my GPU performance really really drops.
2024-09-07 23:54:18	demonicmaniac1	that is the closest you can get to a unique "version" of some kind
2024-09-07 23:54:35	Antiz	blinux: I mean... New packages are uploaded all the time and constantly. The notion of version is irrelevant here.
2024-09-07 23:54:55	popsch	even though it doesn't heavily utilize the GPU
2024-09-07 23:54:56	Antiz	blinux: For instance, there's a little to no chance that any of us here have the exact same index state right now.
2024-09-07 23:54:57	demonicmaniac1	sure just look at it as a state identifier tho
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2024-09-07 23:56:06	Antiz	blinux: We would need to all refresh it at the exact same time. Even a few minutes after you would get a new index.
2024-09-07 23:56:47	Antiz	blinux: That's the idea behind a rolling release. Trying to introduce a concept of version in it doesn't make much sense.
2024-09-07 23:56:51	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, I don't remember, do we need to enable all the -testing repos in order to use the gnome-unstable one, right?
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2024-09-07 23:56:48	blinux	Antiz: I don't see why perhaps an alias wouldn't be created to "pacman -Syu" so that the command cannot be run without the "u".
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2024-09-07 23:57:01	teraflops	nope, you add the gnome unstable one at top of all the repos
2024-09-07 23:57:16	Antiz	blinux: Because running `-Sy` could lead to partial upgrade.
2024-09-07 23:57:24	Antiz	blinux: (without the -u that is)
2024-09-07 23:57:50	Tblue	Antiz: I think that's what blinux means, preventing partial upgrades
2024-09-07 23:57:51	Namarrgon	teraflops: Edu4rdSHL: if you use the kde or gnome repos you have to enable testing as well, it's assumed.
2024-09-07 23:57:58	blinux	Antiz, Yes, that is what I'm saying. I guess it would be a type to only type it, but I was thinking why not just use another command with an alias perhaps.
2024-09-07 23:58:06	blinux	"typo to"
2024-09-07 23:58:08	Edu4rdSHL	Namarrgon, thanks!
2024-09-07 23:58:17	Namarrgon	blinux: Do it!
2024-09-07 23:58:17	Antiz	blinux: Ah sorry, I misunderstood your point.
2024-09-07 23:58:29	teraflops	Namarrgon: ah good to know, thanks
2024-09-07 23:58:32	Erus_Iluvatar	blinux: look at the topic for a rare case where it's OK to use it
2024-09-07 23:58:43	Antiz	blinux: Well, there are specific/rare cases where you would want to run `-Sy` actually
2024-09-07 23:58:45	Tblue	blinux: AUR helpers like paru allow upgrading by just typing their command name w/o args, and they will pacman -Syu and do an AUR upgrade
2024-09-07 23:58:55	Antiz	blinux: But it should be followed by a `-u` soon after though.
2024-09-07 23:59:13	Antiz	bluetail: e.g. just take a look at the topic of this channel :P
2024-09-07 23:59:19	Erus_Iluvatar	!tabfail
2024-09-07 23:59:20	phrik	 0  days since the last tab failure. Completion safety is our union goal!
2024-09-07 23:59:23	Antiz	"Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-07 23:59:27	Tblue	Antiz: blinux: I guess if one would design pacman now, the "no sync" step should be explicit, and sync should be the default
2024-09-07 23:59:30	Namarrgon	blinux: Your shell probably supports aliases and if not you can use a wrapper script.
2024-09-07 23:59:42	popsch	Anyone has a clue why spotify (flatpak) works ok on an intel integrated graphics card, but causes sluggish behavior in xorg on an nvidia card?
2024-09-08 00:00:01	Namarrgon	popsch: Have you tried the "native" package?
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2024-09-08 00:00:26	popsch	Namarrgon, no, because I would prefer to isolate it from the rest of the file system with all the things it installs.
2024-09-08 00:00:29	blinux	I mean it is sort of like if you wanted to delete a folder called "u" in your root. You would type "rm -r /u", but what if you hit enter without the "u"
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2024-09-08 00:00:55	Antiz	blinux: Humm... Not really the same
2024-09-08 00:01:04	Namarrgon	-Sy is not going to instantly kill your system, poor analogy
2024-09-08 00:01:10	Tblue	blinux: both are typos :shrug:
2024-09-08 00:01:18	Antiz	blinux: The correct illustration would be if missing the u in your command would only delete half of the folder.
2024-09-08 00:01:24	blinux	Ok, yeah, you can still do upgrade if you accidentally did "-Sy".
2024-09-08 00:01:24	popsch	Namarrgon, I think the challenge is: how to tell flatpak to use org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.nvidia-560-35-03 on some system, but org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default on others.
2024-09-08 00:01:43	Antiz	blinux: As in "-Sy" gives you half of the complete step, namely the new index but not the actual upgrades
2024-09-08 00:01:51	Tblue	blinux: Maybe pacman should warn you if you do a partial upgrade -- but it doesn't at the moment
2024-09-08 00:02:14	Antiz	Which is the dangerous part. You usually wouldn't want to do one without the other (to avoid the partial upgrade)
2024-09-08 00:02:19	Tblue	But an alias should help you avoid doing it by accident
2024-09-08 00:02:27	Tblue	Antiz: yeah
2024-09-08 00:02:44	Antiz	Tblue: There's no way for pacman to know that you did a partial upgrade.
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2024-09-08 00:04:16	Tblue	Antiz: In theory it could check if there are any upgrades available when you install a new package (i.e. you did "pacman -Sy" at some point before w/o "-u"), and warn you
2024-09-08 00:05:02	Tblue	Because usually, the expectation is that when you do "pacman -S" there are no upgrades available since they were all done by the last "pacman -Syu"
2024-09-08 00:05:07	Tblue	Unless I'm missing something
2024-09-08 00:05:18	Antiz	Tblue: Or you could simply avoid running -Sy at all :P (unless you're instructed to do so)
2024-09-08 00:05:28	Antiz	Tblue: Well, pacman -S doesn't perform any upgrade.
2024-09-08 00:05:34	Tblue	Antiz: The entire point is that people do it by accident
2024-09-08 00:05:36	blinux	If you knew the timestamp of your repo definitions and did an -Sy and then did a -U on local package from archive.archlinux.org or somehow added that repository, then that would not be a partial upgrade.
2024-09-08 00:06:12	Antiz	Tblue: Well, just banish the usage of `Sy`. Either use `S` or `Syu` and problem solved :P
2024-09-08 00:06:18	blinux	So, your repo index timestamp should have a matching timestamp on the package from archive.archlinux.org
2024-09-08 00:06:28	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: it is soooo smooth
2024-09-08 00:06:33	Tblue	Antiz: Yeah, but... people evidently still do it :P
2024-09-08 00:06:53	Antiz	blinux: That's sound hypothetical and unecessarilly complicated :P
2024-09-08 00:07:08	Tblue	blinux: You mean, I do an "pacman -Sy", then I install all packages that would be upgraded manually?
2024-09-08 00:07:16	Tblue	blinux: Sounds like an edge case
2024-09-08 00:07:22	Antiz	blinux: To put it simpler: A supported Arch system is an up to date system (generally speaking).
2024-09-08 00:07:43	◣	eirik_ (~eirik@45.88.221.229) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2024-09-08 00:07:44	Antiz	blinux: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_maintenance#Upgrading_the_system
2024-09-08 00:07:45	phrik	Title: System maintenance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-08 00:07:56	blinux	Pacman keeps a lot of cache, is that not old indexes, or what is that?
2024-09-08 00:07:59	Tblue	Anyway, doing "pacman -Sy" is not the end of the world. Things will not break necessarily, they *can* break if you then install a new package.
2024-09-08 00:08:02	Antiz	blinux: From this link "When requesting support from the community, it will usually be assumed that the system is up to date."
2024-09-08 00:08:13	Tblue	Just do a "pacman -Syu" next and things will be fine.
2024-09-08 00:08:14	blinux	Maybe you could even revert to the old index after doing -Sy if you didn't want to use it.
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2024-09-08 00:08:35	Antiz	blinux: pacman doesn't keep old index in cache, only previous version of packages
2024-09-08 00:08:50	Antiz	blinux: The index is overwritten at each refresh
2024-09-08 00:08:50	blinux	Antiz, Ah, that is what that is. I've seen that cache grow out of control.
2024-09-08 00:08:55	Tblue	blinux: pacman keeps two caches IIRC: Package lists (and lists of files *in* packages, if you want), and downloaded packages.
2024-09-08 00:09:13	blinux	And archive.archlinux.org doesn't have old indexes, or you would have to backup your index?
2024-09-08 00:09:18	Antiz	blinux: Yep, they are in /var/cache/pacman/pkg
2024-09-08 00:09:25	Antiz	blinux: Why would you backup your index?
2024-09-08 00:09:39	Tblue	blinux: I don't think old indexes are available from anywhere as such.
2024-09-08 00:09:41	Antiz	I mean, what would be the point?
2024-09-08 00:09:50	Edu4rdSHL	Tblue, upgrading :D
2024-09-08 00:09:53	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, *
2024-09-08 00:10:00	teraflops	;)
2024-09-08 00:10:06	teraflops	look at display menu
2024-09-08 00:10:09	Tblue	blinux: If you did "pacman -Sy", you can't really discard the new index.
2024-09-08 00:10:14	Namarrgon	You're overcomplicating this, the only way is forward.
2024-09-08 00:10:22	Antiz	☝️
2024-09-08 00:10:25	Tblue	You can only go ahead and... go forward, as Namarrgon says
2024-09-08 00:10:45	Tblue	But as I said, it's not the end of the world, it's mildly inconvenient at best
2024-09-08 00:10:49	blinux	Yeah, a lot of these questions were to understand how the system works more so than to know how to upgrade.
2024-09-08 00:11:03	Tblue	:)
2024-09-08 00:11:30	teraflops	now it shows the range if you do variable refresh rate
2024-09-08 00:11:55	Tblue	I mean, when you look at Debian/RHEL, I suppsoe the equivalent is doing a sysupgrade, and then only installing some of the new packages
2024-09-08 00:11:58	blinux	So, when you get a build from AUR, it can't go through that staging process?
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2024-09-08 00:12:17	Antiz	blinux: Basically run `-Syu` from time to time, don't ever use `-Sy` (unless you're instructed to do so by e.g. an official news). Should be enough :)
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2024-09-08 00:12:27	Tblue	blinux: Since you build AUR packages yourself, there's no staging process.
2024-09-08 00:12:39	Antiz	blinux: There's no notion of repo with the AUR.
2024-09-08 00:13:09	blinux	In the staging there must be a way to determine how it will work with other packages. Could one not do the same thing to make sure a package built from source would integrate with the current system?
2024-09-08 00:13:13	Erus_Iluvatar	and you're expected to rebuild them yourself when needed, e.g. python AUR packages when there's a new python version
2024-09-08 00:13:28	Tblue	blinux: The closest you'd get to that is somebody approving PKGBUILDs, but that's not done, PKGBUILDs from the AUR are published immediately when changed.
2024-09-08 00:13:38	Antiz	blinux: Nop, with the AUR, such a maintainance is at your charge
2024-09-08 00:13:50	Tblue	blinux: That's up to you, and to the PKGBUILD maintainer
2024-09-08 00:14:04	blinux	The staging process must be automated somehow. That automated process ensures all the packages in an index will work together.
2024-09-08 00:14:12	Tblue	blinux: Nope
2024-09-08 00:14:18	Antiz	blinux: It is not ^^
2024-09-08 00:14:23	Erus_Iluvatar	staging has no guardrails, just packager experience making things go right
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2024-09-08 00:14:36	Tblue	blinux: There's a staging repo, though. But that's only for packages in the official repos (not AUR)
2024-09-08 00:14:53	blinux	It is not automated, it is done manually be reviewers you are saying?
2024-09-08 00:15:10	Antiz	blinux: By package maintainer yes
2024-09-08 00:15:15	◣	hollowman (~hollowman@openSUSE/member/hollowman) ha salido (Client Quit)
2024-09-08 00:15:15	Erus_Iluvatar	yep, every package in arch is built by a package maintainer
2024-09-08 00:15:20	Tblue	blinux: Kind of? Some people use the staging repos. If things break, they are reported to the maintainer
2024-09-08 00:15:24	Tblue	I think.
2024-09-08 00:15:33	Erus_Iluvatar	Tblue: don't mix staging and testing
2024-09-08 00:15:41	Tblue	Erus_Iluvatar: Whoops
2024-09-08 00:15:43	Erus_Iluvatar	staging should never be used on a real system
2024-09-08 00:15:54	blinux	Staging is not the same as testing?
2024-09-08 00:15:58	◣	necercis (necercis@user/necercis) ha salido (Quit: Lost terminal)
2024-09-08 00:15:59	Antiz	blinux: So we push everything to staging, make sure everything was built correctly, then it goes into testing so package maintainers and testers can approve it all works correctly, then it's move to stable
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2024-09-08 00:16:07	Tblue	I'll just shut up since I'm really not familiar with how official packages are tested
2024-09-08 00:16:08	◣	hollowman (~hollowman@openSUSE/member/hollowman) ha salido (Client Quit)
2024-09-08 00:16:15	Erus_Iluvatar	testing is where packages go to make sure no one missed anything before they reach the official repositories
2024-09-08 00:16:29	Erus_Iluvatar	Tblue: don't worry, you had mostly the right ideas :)
2024-09-08 00:16:35	blinux	Antiz, And how long does this staging and testing process typically take for a new index to be pushed to production / core?
2024-09-08 00:16:49	Antiz	blinux: It all depends on the case.
2024-09-08 00:16:54	Tblue	Erus_Iluvatar: Thanks, but I should've checked anyway before typing :)
2024-09-08 00:16:58	Erus_Iluvatar	depends on the package, if it has no impact on anything else it might jump straight to extra
2024-09-08 00:17:06	Antiz	blinux: python rebuilds can take months.
2024-09-08 00:17:07	Erus_Iluvatar	all packages from core must go through testing
2024-09-08 00:17:20	Antiz	blinux: Other simpler rebuilds are done within an hour.
2024-09-08 00:17:29	Antiz	blinux: Really all depends on the case.
2024-09-08 00:17:51	Erus_Iluvatar	and the guidelines for a package to leave testing is to be acked by two person
2024-09-08 00:18:01	blinux	So, somebody builds a new package, it does effect core packages, they can just say, OK, it works and a new index is created for core?
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2024-09-08 00:18:50	Antiz	blinux: Yes, we have testers that has the possibility to "sign off" packages from the testing repo
2024-09-08 00:18:54	Erus_Iluvatar	for core packages they _must_ go through testing girst
2024-09-08 00:18:57	Erus_Iluvatar	*first
2024-09-08 00:19:04	Antiz	Basically stating that they tested the package and that it works properly
2024-09-08 00:19:10	Antiz	This is described here :
2024-09-08 00:19:18	Antiz	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team
2024-09-08 00:19:20	phrik	Title: Arch Testing Team - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-08 00:19:28	Tblue	How recent is the whole staging process btw? I remember a time (10+ years ago?) where it felt like there were more packaging issues than there are today
2024-09-08 00:19:21	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-08 00:19:27	blinux	But, how do they certify that it works properly if the index is a moving target. By the time they approve the index has already changed to a newer timestamp with other packages from other people that have approved theirs.
2024-09-08 00:19:29	Antiz	blinux: When a package gets enough sign off in the testing repo it can be moves to stable.
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2024-09-08 00:19:57	Antiz	blinux: Because, to get the version that just lands in testing they would need to upgrade their whole system
2024-09-08 00:20:07	Antiz	And thus will move on the to the newest index (at the time)
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2024-09-08 00:20:23	Antiz	Remember, you either upgrade all or nothing with Arch (and rolling releases in general)
2024-09-08 00:20:48	blinux	Yeah, it is just that if these index upgrades could be happen how often multiple times in one day even?
2024-09-08 00:21:12	Antiz	blinux: Probably too many to count x)
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2024-09-08 00:21:18	Erus_Iluvatar	multiple times an hour is not uncommon
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2024-09-08 00:21:35	Antiz	blinux: But it's not like each packages have a link together.
2024-09-08 00:21:43	blinux	OK, so that is why I'm saying there has to be some automation to determine if the package will integrate or not.
2024-09-08 00:21:44	Erus_Iluvatar	you don't need to go through each "index update" to keep a working system
2024-09-08 00:21:53	Erus_Iluvatar	maybe there should be one
2024-09-08 00:21:57	Erus_Iluvatar	but presently there is none
2024-09-08 00:21:59	Antiz	blinux: No there is not x)
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2024-09-08 00:22:03	Namarrgon	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/state/-/commits/main/
2024-09-08 00:22:04	phrik	Title: Commits · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / State · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-09-08 00:22:59	Namarrgon	Sometimes, when the americas and europe are asleep, there's more than an hour between updates!
2024-09-08 00:23:01	◣	rv1sr (~rv1sr@user/rv1sr) ha salido
2024-09-08 00:23:15	Antiz	blinux: But your presenting this as if each time a package is push, it could break the consistent of a system. A lot of packages actually do not depend on anything that is prone to API/ABI changes and a new lib would only affect the packages that depend on it.
2024-09-08 00:23:27	blinux	So, if you are a package maintainer, you get the latest testing index, install that on your system, determine it works, then you push the package to that index. But, perhaps by the time you do that there is already another new index out, then what happens?
2024-09-08 00:23:43	Antiz	blinux: See my message
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2024-09-08 00:24:11	Antiz	blinux: The new index includes a new version of curl (random example)
2024-09-08 00:24:13	Antiz	So what?
2024-09-08 00:24:14	blinux	Oh, OK, so some very specific dependencies.
2024-09-08 00:24:19	Antiz	I'm testing fastfetch
2024-09-08 00:24:28	Antiz	I don't care about curl ^^
2024-09-08 00:24:40	Antiz	You get the point?
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2024-09-08 00:25:06	Antiz	If a stack needs to be moved altogether to guaranty the coherence of the system, it will be done this way.
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2024-09-08 00:25:36	Antiz	(That's why the staging repo exists)
2024-09-08 00:26:05	blinux	OK, so if you build something from source or get from AUR, you should be able to do the same analysis that a package maintainer would do when approving a package to be added to the index. And, I guess you would have to do that for every package built from source every time you upgrade your system.
2024-09-08 00:26:26	Antiz	But if your package is not prone to ABI/API changes or soname bump (which would require a mass rebuild) you can just push it and create a new index. That will not have any effect or other packages.
2024-09-08 00:26:48	Antiz	blinux: Yup, that's it.
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2024-09-08 00:27:07	Erus_Iluvatar	Also, small nitpick, technically packagers build inside a chroot, with tooling that ensures all the packages in the chroot are up to date 
2024-09-08 00:27:32	Erus_Iluvatar	So it's a little less manual and cumbersome than described 
2024-09-08 00:27:49	Antiz	Yes, obviously we have a tooling that ensure clean builds/clean env to avoid any undesired surprise ^^
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2024-09-08 00:28:41	blinux	OK, that tooling, is that available to users to download, so they could determine if a package built from source, or say the AUR, would work with their system?
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2024-09-08 00:29:12	Erus_Iluvatar	The tooling does not check for that
2024-09-08 00:29:23	Antiz	blinux: But the idea is there. If you install a python lib from the AUR, and at some point you upgrade your system and get a new version of python (the incoming 3.13 for instance), you would have to rebuild that python lib for the AUR yourself (basically what package maintainers do in the staging repo).
2024-09-08 00:29:59	Erus_Iluvatar	It just automates the building steps, not the "working with the system"
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2024-09-08 00:30:11	Antiz	blinux: The tooling can be downloaded and used by users yeah (it's the `pkgctl` command from the `devtools` package). But as Erus_Iluvatar said, it does not check for that.
2024-09-08 00:30:24	Antiz	blinux: There's no official way to check for that actually.
2024-09-08 00:30:44	blinux	And most applications just depend on core libraries, they don't include them and thus would not be modifying which library the index was using.
2024-09-08 00:30:49	Antiz	blinux: However, there's a third party script for that : https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/rebuild-detector/
2024-09-08 00:30:50	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - rebuild-detector 4.4.3-3 (any) (at archlinux.org)
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2024-09-08 00:31:59	Antiz	blinux: Don't know how accurate that is, but just so you know it exists ^^
2024-09-08 00:32:51	blinux	These libraries that lots of packages depend on must change slower and be maintained by people more skilled to make these determinations, otherwise the index could break the system.
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2024-09-08 00:33:39	Namarrgon	Not the index will break it, the new package will.
2024-09-08 00:34:18	blinux	Well, I mean by the index breaking the system, users will be provided with an index that will cause the system to break if the index specifies a core library which is not appropriate.
2024-09-08 00:34:24	Antiz	blinux: Also, not every libraries are prone to ABI changes/soname bump or backward incompatibility (more generally speaking)
2024-09-08 00:34:25	Namarrgon	People that maintain libraries are usually experienced enough to gauge which additional changes an update requires.
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2024-09-08 00:34:47	Antiz	(At least not at each version)
2024-09-08 00:34:52	Tblue	Antiz: Thanks for the link to the rebuild-detector, sounds useful
2024-09-08 00:35:07	Antiz	It's not like we have to perform mass rebuild in staging every day or so ^^
2024-09-08 00:35:10	Antiz	Tblue: You're welcome :)
2024-09-08 00:35:38	dsimic	Antiz: thanks :)
2024-09-08 00:36:12	blinux	You could just make the package from source and see if it runs and don't install it.
2024-09-08 00:36:27	Antiz	dsimic: Not sure what I did, but you're welcome :D
2024-09-08 00:36:32	blinux	That is what people do on other distros all the time.
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2024-09-08 00:36:48	blinux	I mean keep the binary and use that, but don't install the package.
2024-09-08 00:36:49	Antiz	blinux: How would you check it if runs without installing it though? :P
2024-09-08 00:36:55	dsimic	Antiz: you sent the link to the rebuild detector :)
2024-09-08 00:36:55	Antiz	Ahh
2024-09-08 00:37:06	Namarrgon	You also need to test all the reverse-dependencies, too.
2024-09-08 00:37:18	blinux	Or, I mean can you build the binary with the AUR, rather than a package and install it?
2024-09-08 00:37:20	Antiz	dsimic: Ah, no problem :)
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2024-09-08 00:37:47	Antiz	blinux: No you can't. I mean not really.
2024-09-08 00:37:59	blinux	Because that would never break the system.
2024-09-08 00:38:18	Antiz	The AUR provides PKGBUILD, which are meant to be executed with makepkg which is meant to well... make a package (thus the name :P)
2024-09-08 00:38:21	Antiz	However...
2024-09-08 00:38:38	Antiz	With `pkgctl`, you could run something like : `pkgctl build --inspect always`
2024-09-08 00:39:25	Antiz	That would build the package into a clean chroot (pkgctl build) and then spawn you a shell to that chroot (--inspect always)
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2024-09-08 00:39:41	Tblue	Neato, the rebuild-detector depends on pacutils, which contains a very useful script: paclog. Among others, it can "display errors, warnings, and notes" from a pacman log file, which is cool. I've always wondered why pacman doesn't just display all of those at the end of a transaction.
2024-09-08 00:39:46	Antiz	From there, you could try the built binary without actually installing it on your system.
2024-09-08 00:40:16	Antiz	But... well... Seems pretty involved and inconvinient 
2024-09-08 00:40:20	Antiz	if you ask me :p
2024-09-08 00:40:56	Antiz	(Compare to simply testing the package in a container for instance ^^)
2024-09-08 00:41:03	Antiz	s/Compare/Compared
2024-09-08 00:41:19	hrehf	I'm maintaining https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=whisper.cpp-model-tiny.en-q5_1 The only source file, source=("$_download_script_url") was updated. But for some reason, makepkg doesn't redownload the file when it already exists, thus failing (because it has the old checksum). Why does it not redownload?
2024-09-08 00:41:21	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-08 00:42:53	Tblue	hrehf: The trick here is probably to either include the pkgver in the (local) file name, or to download the file yourself in e.g. prepare() and use pkgver() to set a new pkgver based on e.g. the file's remote timestamp.
2024-09-08 00:43:29	Tblue	hrehf: I suppose the built-in downloading mechanism really is intended for files that don't just change remotely.
2024-09-08 00:43:43	Antiz	hrehf: makepkg first looks if the file exists locally before downloading it if necessary.
2024-09-08 00:43:56	Antiz	hrehf: So just delete it first.
2024-09-08 00:44:15	Tblue	hrehf: Oh, and in your case, you *could* maybe leverage makepkg's VCS/Git support.
2024-09-08 00:44:22	Antiz	hrehf: You would also need to udpate the checksum (updpkgsums from the pacman-contrib package does that for you)
2024-09-08 00:44:50	Antiz	hrehf: BTW, this PKGBUILD has a lot of issues... 🫤
2024-09-08 00:44:53	Tblue	hrehf: See https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VCS_package_guidelines#The_pkgver()_function
2024-09-08 00:44:54	phrik	Title: VCS package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-08 00:45:35	Tblue	hrehf: Or rather, see the entire article. makepkg can automatically figure out if there were changes to the repo.
2024-09-08 00:46:28	Antiz	hrehf: You should definitely have a correlation between your source and your pkgver. That would have prevented your issue BTW (because the source would change at each pkgver bump).
2024-09-08 00:46:52	hrehf	Antiz: yes, issues due to auto generation https://github.com/hrehfeld/archlinux-whisper.cpp-model
2024-09-08 00:46:53	phrik	Title: GitHub - hrehfeld/archlinux-whisper.cpp-model: PKGBUILD generation for whisper.cpp models (at github.com)
2024-09-08 00:46:53	Antiz	Downloading a raw file like that without any notion of versioning is not standard
2024-09-08 00:47:09	blinux	Antiz, When I was on debian I would build binaries from source when a package was not available and would never create a package to install it.
2024-09-08 00:47:20	Tblue	Yes, I was going to say, another way would be to tag your releases on Git, and use the pkgver in the download URL accordingly.
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2024-09-08 00:47:47	Antiz	blinux: Well you could do the same on Arch. But the PKGBUILDs provided in the AUR are meant to create a package though.
2024-09-08 00:48:03	hrehf	Well, I only need that one file, not the whole repo :( I guess there's no way for a sensible pkgver() with that?
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2024-09-08 00:49:28	blinux	I guess that is what the make file was for though, so if the maintainer provides that then you use that.
2024-09-08 00:50:37	blinux	A script to install the arch specific dependencies and using the make file would probably have a lot of the benefit of the AUR without the downside. The script could even copy a script to run the binary and put it in your path.
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2024-09-08 00:51:47	Tblue	hrehf: I see that https://github.com/ggerganov/whisper.cpp/tree/master does have releases/tags, so one thing you could do is: pkgver=v1.6.2; _download_script_url="https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ggerganov/whisper.cpp/${pkgver?}/models/download-ggml-model.sh"
2024-09-08 00:51:48	phrik	Title: GitHub - ggerganov/whisper.cpp: Port of OpenAI's Whisper model in C/C++ (at github.com)
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2024-09-08 00:52:10	Tblue	hrehf: That way, the file will not change randomly without you bumping the pkgver manually
2024-09-08 00:52:14	blinux	When you install a package I think you must be copying dependency libraries that make that package work, to ensure it works, but if those conflict with system libraries then you have a problem. But, if you just build the binary and it relies on system packages you don't have and don't exist, then the binary doesn't work.
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2024-09-08 00:52:42	blinux	I think I'd rather have the binary not work than my system.
2024-09-08 00:53:03	Tblue	hrehf: Actually, you probably want this, too: source=("download-ggml-model-${pkgver?}.sh::${_download_script_url?}")
2024-09-08 00:53:30	Tblue	hrehf: That will ensure the local file includes the pkgver. Now, if you change it, makepkg will see that file is missing, and download it.
2024-09-08 00:53:48	Antiz	blinux: Packages depends on system libraries (most of the time)
2024-09-08 00:54:04	blinux	Antiz, So, what is it about a package that breaks a system when you install it?
2024-09-08 00:54:05	Antiz	blinux: The ones that bundles their own are rare cases
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2024-09-08 00:54:31	Antiz	blinux: Most likely a package maintainer mistake
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2024-09-08 00:54:52	Antiz	blinux: e.g. that moved only a part of a stack of rebuild
2024-09-08 00:55:15	blinux	Antiz, What kind of mistake? If it is just copying a binary to a location, how does that effect your system libraries not working?
2024-09-08 00:55:15	Antiz	Or that did not detect that such a new lib required a rebuild, or something.
2024-09-08 00:55:49	Antiz	blinux: Well, imagine a new lib drops. I put it in staging, then rebuild packages that depend on it 
2024-09-08 00:55:57	blinux	Antiz, In which case that outside package would break, right, not your system, meaning not the packages from the official repos.
2024-09-08 00:56:11	Antiz	And then I only move the rebuilt binary to stable but not the new library
2024-09-08 00:56:39	Antiz	You would end up with a package in stable that expects a library version that's not (yet) in there (still in staging).
2024-09-08 00:56:44	Antiz	Basically a partial ugprade case
2024-09-08 00:56:58	Antiz	But that time caused by a package maintainer mistake
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2024-09-08 00:57:05	blinux	I'm talking about packages you get from the AUR. How could that break the system?
2024-09-08 00:57:13	Antiz	Ahhh
2024-09-08 00:57:41	Antiz	Well, PKGBUILDs from the AUR are user produced content
2024-09-08 00:57:49	Antiz	They can contain everything you can image.
2024-09-08 00:57:56	Antiz	They can be as poorly written as possible
2024-09-08 00:58:05	Antiz	Even malicious (e.g. shipping malware or something).
2024-09-08 00:58:17	Antiz	I'm not saying that's the case, but that's a possibility.
2024-09-08 00:58:28	Antiz	So there are a lot of way a package could break/damage your system.
2024-09-08 00:58:40	Antiz	an AUR* package
2024-09-08 00:59:04	blinux	But, that sound like the executable is breaking the system by modifying the system. I'm talking about just installing a package built from there.
2024-09-08 00:59:19	Tblue	hrehf: Sadly, makepkg doesn't seem to support shallow/sparse clones; I was going to suggest that if you don't need the whole repo. So, I think using a fixed pkgver in the script URL is the only solution I'm afraid. Or downloading the file yourself outside of the "sources" functionality, e.g. in prepare(). But that's kind of ugly.
2024-09-08 00:59:20	blinux	(modifying the system due to execution of the binary)
2024-09-08 00:59:44	Antiz	blinux: The installation of the package itself can modify the system
2024-09-08 00:59:51	Antiz	Thanks to .install script.
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2024-09-08 01:00:08	Tblue	hrehf: Ooooor... Cloning the repo in shallow/sparse mode yourself and using a fitting pkgver() function.
2024-09-08 01:00:19	Antiz	Those are script that are executed on install, removal and or upgrade of the related package.
2024-09-08 01:00:22	blinux	If you install a package from there, it will copy a binary to some path location. That alone would not break other software, only if it installs libraries to the system that the package depends on that are not from the official repos.
2024-09-08 01:00:35	Antiz	And those script can basically do whatever they want on your system
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2024-09-08 01:00:51	hrehf	Tblue thanks for all your suggestions! filename works great i think, and i'm trying pkgver() {   git ls-remote "https://github.com/ggerganov/whisper.cpp" master | cut -f 1 | sed 's/\([^-]*-g\)/r\1/;s/-/./g' }
2024-09-08 01:01:16	Antiz	So you definitely want to check those beforehand
2024-09-08 01:01:18	blinux	Yeah, I get they could do whatever as a script. If the script were to only download dependencies from the official library and run the make file and copy the binary to somewhere in your path, then that could not break your system.
2024-09-08 01:02:07	Antiz	blinux: I mean, yeah.. sure
2024-09-08 01:02:08	blinux	It must have to download libraries from non-official repos and put them in system directories.
2024-09-08 01:02:15	Tblue	hrehf: You're welcome! You just need to make sure the pkgver() function yields a pkgver as described in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/VCS_package_guidelines#Versioning
2024-09-08 01:02:16	phrik	Title: VCS package guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-08 01:02:24	blinux	In order to potentially break the system.
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2024-09-08 01:02:48	Antiz	blinux: Yes, that's a possibility
2024-09-08 01:02:49	gromit	blinux: breaking the system and doing malicous stuff are not the same thing though
2024-09-08 01:03:09	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, dang, so smoooth!
2024-09-08 01:03:15	gromit	an aur package can break your system just by not being updated in the staging lock-step manner that antiz described above 
2024-09-08 01:03:20	Antiz	blinux: AUR packages can depend on other AUR packages. And external libs can be bundled in different ways (e.g. git submodules)
2024-09-08 01:03:26	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: yesss
2024-09-08 01:04:01	Tblue	hrehf: But note that I *think* makepkg runs pkgver() after downloading the sources, so you if you use $pkgver in the sources array, you will get an old version.
2024-09-08 01:04:13	Antiz	blinux: But yeah, I got confused as I'm not sure if you're talking about breaking the coherence of the system or breaking the system as in "maliciously modify it" (as gromit said)
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2024-09-08 01:04:28	blinux	So, could an AUR package only break itself or other AUR packages, but not things official part of the Arch distribution, provided the sript is just installing official packages/libraries and copying the binary to your path?
2024-09-08 01:04:57	gromit	blinux: no
2024-09-08 01:05:26	Antiz	gromit: yes? ^^
2024-09-08 01:05:32	Antiz	If I understood the question correctly.
2024-09-08 01:05:48	Antiz	e.g. you install a python-lib from the AUR
2024-09-08 01:05:50	blinux	I think the question is not clear.
2024-09-08 01:05:56	Antiz	A new version of python drops
2024-09-08 01:06:08	Antiz	This python-lib from the AUR will be broken until you rebuild it
2024-09-08 01:06:24	blinux	These AUR build packages they are running a make file and installing dependencies. Where are the dependencies coming from?
2024-09-08 01:06:25	Antiz	Yet the official packages in your system will be fine.
2024-09-08 01:06:38	gromit	Antiz: I meant "No it will also possibly break more stuff than just itself"
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2024-09-08 01:06:39	Antiz	blinux: Either from the official repos or the AUR itself
2024-09-08 01:06:51	Antiz	gromit: AHhhhhh okay, yeah
2024-09-08 01:07:17	blinux	From the AUR itself means the AUR could have some outside libraries.
2024-09-08 01:07:39	Antiz	It means an package from the AUR could depend on another pckage from the AUR
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2024-09-08 01:07:54	Antiz	e.g. lib1 is in the repo, lib2 is only in the AUR
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2024-09-08 01:08:17	Antiz	If you have a package depending on lib1 and lib2, it will pull lib1 from the repo and lib2 from the AUR
2024-09-08 01:08:29	blinux	System libraries could be posted to the AUR and then when you install the package they could conflict with official libraries.
2024-09-08 01:08:37	Antiz	No
2024-09-08 01:08:53	Antiz	It is forbidden to post a package in the AUR that is already in the repo.
2024-09-08 01:08:57	Tblue	Well, pacman will fail to install the AUR package because of file conflicts.
2024-09-08 01:09:07	Tblue	(If it's already installed.)
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2024-09-08 01:09:14	Antiz	For specific cases that actually conflict with another package, there's a mechanism for that
2024-09-08 01:09:27	blinux	But, you could include an older or newer version of a library perhaps and then other software would use it by accident, or would the software not know which version to use?
2024-09-08 01:09:28	Tblue	And I'd hope that your AUR helper of choice prefers repo packages to AUR packages.
2024-09-08 01:10:12	Antiz	blinux: First of all, installing an older version of a lib would be a partial upgrade which is not supported
2024-09-08 01:10:28	blinux	But, if an AUR built package required an older library
2024-09-08 01:10:45	Antiz	blinux: Secondly, if you were to upload an older/newer version of a lib in the AUR it would need to have a different name than the official one.
2024-09-08 01:10:58	Antiz	e.g. ffmpeg4.4 as opposed to ffmepg for instance
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2024-09-08 01:11:33	blinux	The library file names have the version in the file name.
2024-09-08 01:11:43	Antiz	blinux: "But, if an AUR built package required an older library" <-- Then it will be removed
2024-09-08 01:12:03	Antiz	Or patched if possible
2024-09-08 01:12:14	blinux	Oh, but if the AUR built package required a newer library than what the official repos use it would be allowed?
2024-09-08 01:12:43	Antiz	blinux: You would need to wait for the official repo to get that newer library before updating it then.
2024-09-08 01:13:15	Antiz	blinux: If you upload this newer library yourself in the AUR, it would be removed because it would be a duplicate package
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2024-09-08 01:13:00	blinux	It sounds like the AUR just uses the libraries from the official repos.
2024-09-08 01:13:07	Antiz	blinux: See https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR_submission_guidelines#Rules_of_submission
2024-09-08 01:13:08	phrik	Title: AUR submission guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-08 01:13:25	blinux	So, it is hard to see how that would break the system.
2024-09-08 01:13:26	Antiz	blinux: Mostly, but not exclusively. Some libraries are only present in the AUR
2024-09-08 01:13:28	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: lots of mutter improvements
2024-09-08 01:13:38	hrehf	Tblue correct, but I THINK $(pkgver) might just call the pkgver function?
2024-09-08 01:14:01	Tblue	hrehf: Uhhh, yeah. True. That could work.
2024-09-08 01:14:04	blinux	Ah, OK, and I guess that could break the system, though I would think they would only break other AUR packages.
2024-09-08 01:14:31	Antiz	blinux: Well, no. Because there are one expection
2024-09-08 01:14:36	Antiz	The -git/vcs packages
2024-09-08 01:15:07	blinux	Oh, I've seen the ones that end in -git
2024-09-08 01:15:12	Antiz	Yup
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2024-09-08 01:15:40	Antiz	Those are packages that always provides an up to date version of the related package according to the latest usptream commit available at the time you build it
2024-09-08 01:15:53	Antiz	So basically self updating PKGBUILDs, constantly up to date.
2024-09-08 01:16:06	Antiz	Those ones are authorised and not counted as duplicated packages
2024-09-08 01:16:12	blinux	OK, so it could pull libraries from there, but I don't see how that could break anything in official distribution, unless it was some pure functional interplay from a user standpoint, not actual libraries communication with each other.
2024-09-08 01:16:22	blinux	I don't think that is the technical correct term.
2024-09-08 01:16:24	Antiz	They are actually quite handy for debug purpose and git bisecting.
2024-09-08 01:16:48	Antiz	blinux: That could break something in the official distribution as you would get newer (even unreleased) version of some libs
2024-09-08 01:17:11	blinux	OK, so if you avoided the AUR packages that ended in -git?
2024-09-08 01:17:25	blinux	I don't know what vcs is.
2024-09-08 01:17:55	Antiz	blinux: Generally speaking, I'd say yes.
2024-09-08 01:17:55	Antiz	THey are useful for a lot of stuff
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2024-09-08 01:17:59	Antiz	But could be prone to issues too (including with official packages)
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2024-09-08 01:18:14	Antiz	As you would get newer version of libs than what the official packages are expecting at the time.
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2024-09-08 01:19:46	Antiz	So, the said -git package is "self sufficient" (as in, not required by anything else on your system), I would usually avoid -git packages (unless you know what you are doing).
2024-09-08 01:19:57	Antiz	unless* the said [...]
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2024-09-08 01:22:17	blinux	Even non -git packages I don't think they could break the official distribution, since they are relying on official repos, and I don't think they could even break other AUR packages. At most an indivdidual AUR package would stop working after an upgrade because it depends on a library or package no longer available.
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2024-09-08 01:23:06	blinux	This is all assuming the script doesn't do something more than properly copy files to the path, run a make file etc.
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2024-09-08 01:23:45	Antiz	blinux: No they can
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2024-09-08 01:24:08	blinux	Antiz, OK, but how then?
2024-09-08 01:24:24	blinux	It is just installing packages from the official repos.
2024-09-08 01:24:34	Antiz	blinux: I don't have any example coming to my head right now, but I assure you we have a lot of bug reports where an AUR package ends up being the cause.
2024-09-08 01:25:31	blinux	When you do a pacman -Syu, does it delete the old library version or keep them, and don't new library versions always have a different file name?
2024-09-08 01:25:50	Antiz	blinux: "It is just installing packages from the official repos." <-- Plus the AUR package itself, which is unofficial, eventually not properly maintained, possibly outdated, even having wrongly declared dependencies....
2024-09-08 01:26:06	Antiz	blinux: It deletes the old one
2024-09-08 01:26:12	Namarrgon	"new" libraries may or may not provide a different ABI, it depends.
2024-09-08 01:26:26	Antiz	Yeah, well. It actually depends indeed.
2024-09-08 01:26:28	blinux	Antiz, But, if it has wrongly declared dependies that means it would stop working, not anything part of the distribution I would think.
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2024-09-08 01:27:24	blinux	Or, you do a pacman -Syu and it deletes the old library the AUR package would stop working, not the distribution.
2024-09-08 01:27:47	Antiz	blinux: 🤷 Again I don't have any example coming to my head right now.
2024-09-08 01:27:54	Antiz	But well
2024-09-08 01:28:19	Namarrgon	if that AUR package provides an old ABI while the -Syu pulls in packages that depend on a more recent ABI then it will break these packages.
2024-09-08 01:28:33	Antiz	While you were over-complicating the index/version thing earlier, you are probably over-simplifying this part :P
2024-09-08 01:28:55	Antiz	There is a lot of way a poorly maintained package can break other packages, regardless if it comes from the AUR or not.
2024-09-08 01:29:10	Antiz	There are a lot of ways*
2024-09-08 01:29:59	Antiz	And, well, AUR packages are more prone to be poorly maintained (or even not maintained at all) than repo packages generally speaking.
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2024-09-08 01:30:37	Antiz	blinux: Important remark I guess, a pacman -Syu does not update AUR packages.
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2024-09-08 01:31:51	MacGyver	I just rebuild all my AUR packages when I -Syu.
2024-09-08 01:31:57	blinux	Antiz, Right, so AUR packages could break with pacman -Syu. There is things like yay which call pacman to upgrade the distro and also upgrade the AUR packages I believe.
2024-09-08 01:32:05	MacGyver	If I have too many AUR packages to do that, I need to reconsider my life choices.
2024-09-08 01:32:06	Antiz	MacGyver: Sounds like a sane routine ^^
2024-09-08 01:32:30	Namarrgon	yay does not know when packages need a rebuild, it only acts on version bumps.
2024-09-08 01:33:04	Antiz	Also, worth to say that yay (and any other pacman wrapper/AUR helpers) are not officially supported.
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2024-09-08 01:33:25	Antiz	(Just like AUR PKGBUILDs themselves actually)
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2024-09-08 01:44:10	blinux	If you just do pacman -Su without the y, I'm confused what that would do.
2024-09-08 01:44:38	blinux	It is supposed to do a system upgrade, but not telling it to get latest database.
2024-09-08 01:44:44	Antiz	That would upgrade you system on the current index
2024-09-08 01:44:58	Antiz	which would probably do nothing (unless you have done `-Sy` before hand)
2024-09-08 01:45:08	blinux	But, there should be nothing to upgrade unless you did a a pacman -Sy without the U.
2024-09-08 01:45:13	Antiz	Exactly
2024-09-08 01:45:18	blinux	Oh, ok.
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2024-09-08 01:47:24	MacGyver	(Or interrupted an earlier -S(y)u)
2024-09-08 01:48:01	MacGyver	See the Keyring problems command in the topic for a practical application.
2024-09-08 01:48:14	MacGyver	Technically you *can* have the second one be -Syu but there's really no need for it.
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2024-09-08 07:28:47	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-08 07:28:47	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1365 apodos (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1365 regular)
2024-09-08 05:50:43	zayd	where are the user config files for qtcreator? can't find them in the usual spots
2024-09-08 07:14:11	dubiago	So, my laptop has an intel sound chip that's not currently detected. It *looks* like I need a kernel > 6.7 for audio, but I'm currently on 6.6.49-1-lts for nvidia compatibility. Anyone know if there's a way I can get audio working or do I have to wait until LTS gets 6.7 and nvidia supports it?
2024-09-08 07:15:04	Edu4rdSHL	dubiago, what do you mean by "for nvidia compatibility"?
2024-09-08 07:15:13	Edu4rdSHL	Which driver are you using?
2024-09-08 07:15:32	dubiago	560.35.03-3
2024-09-08 07:15:48	Edu4rdSHL	And... why do you need that kernel?
2024-09-08 07:16:08	Edu4rdSHL	That driver version does support the latest kernel since it was released
2024-09-08 07:16:44	dubiago	I was on 6.10 initially. When I installed the nvidia drivers, I was downgraded to LTS. I had presumed for compatibility.
2024-09-08 07:17:20	Edu4rdSHL	Uh? How was you "downgraded"?
2024-09-08 07:17:33	Edu4rdSHL	Is that ArchLinux or some Arch-based distro?
2024-09-08 07:17:39	dubiago	Arch
2024-09-08 07:17:59	dubiago	I installed via pacman
2024-09-08 07:18:24	Gnana	Edu4rdSHL: :D
2024-09-08 07:18:34	Gnana	what is happing 
2024-09-08 07:18:46	Edu4rdSHL	dubiago, well, you can use the latest driver with the latest kernel
2024-09-08 07:18:51	Edu4rdSHL	Gnana, o/
2024-09-08 07:19:09	dubiago	Ok, I'll give it a try--I know the latest kernel has been installed, just not running it ATM
2024-09-08 07:20:22	Edu4rdSHL	pacman -S --needed linux nvidia # then boot on that kernel and that's all
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2024-09-08 07:37:50	dubiago	k. All seems well. That was weird, that I was moved from 6.10.
2024-09-08 07:38:10	gehidore	suspicious at best
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2024-09-08 07:42:39	gehidore	archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[230262]: gpg: error retrieving 'wild@archlinux.org' via WKD: Server indicated a failure fun times
2024-09-08 07:44:06	dubiago	Hmmm...I run glmark2, and I get GL_RENDERER:    Mesa Intel(R) Graphics (RPL-P)
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2024-09-08 07:45:51	gehidore	looks like you've got descrete graphics?
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2024-09-08 07:48:19	dubiago	intel integrated, and a 4070
2024-09-08 07:48:36	teraflops	dubiago: which DE/WM?
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2024-09-08 07:48:47	dubiago	KDE/Wayland
2024-09-08 07:49:44	Gnana	hyrland is best 
2024-09-08 07:49:53	Gnana	not matter what other people says about it
2024-09-08 07:49:54	dubiago	actually, switched back to LTS and it's still running on intel
2024-09-08 07:50:36	teraflops	dubiago: run the program like this https://paste.priet.us/50vv/
2024-09-08 07:51:03	teraflops	change "$@" for the executable
2024-09-08 07:51:41	teraflops	e.g __NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia glxmark2 or whatever
2024-09-08 07:51:53	dubiago	yeh...now it's using the 4070
2024-09-08 07:52:04	monkfish	leve "$@" there and have the executable be the preceding word.
2024-09-08 07:52:25	teraflops	dubiago: switcherooctl does that automatically
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2024-09-08 07:57:14	dubiago	i don't have nvidia-prime installed :|
2024-09-08 07:57:22	teraflops	not needed
2024-09-08 07:57:28	teraflops	install switcherooctl
2024-09-08 07:57:59	dubiago	can't see it via pacman or yay
2024-09-08 07:58:38	teraflops	extra/switcheroo-control 
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2024-09-08 08:04:34	teraflops	dubiago: it works like this, first launch switcherooctl w/o args to see card indexes then to run anything just do e.g switcherooctl -g 1 mpv 
2024-09-08 08:04:59	teraflops	https://paste.priet.us/screenshot_2024-09-08-08-02-36.png
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2024-09-08 08:26:17	ℹ 	pks_ es conocido ahora como pks
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2024-09-08 08:40:40	Edu4rdSHL	switcherooctl is a kinda long command
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2024-09-08 08:52:46	teraflops	it is integrated in gnome, many desktop files have an entry specifying the gpu to use so the system picks it automatically
2024-09-08 08:53:22	ℹ 	panos es conocido ahora como panosl1
2024-09-08 08:54:22	ℹ 	panosl1 es conocido ahora como rameau
2024-09-08 08:54:53	⚡ 	Gnana flips flops with poga
2024-09-08 08:54:54	◥	printfdebugging (~Thunderbi@user/printfdebugging) has joined #archlinux
2024-09-08 08:55:22	ℹ 	rameau es conocido ahora como couperin
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2024-09-08 08:56:09	teraflops	xD
2024-09-08 08:56:12	teraflops	PrefersNonDefaultGPU=true
2024-09-08 08:56:22	ℹ 	couperin es conocido ahora como panos
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2024-09-08 09:06:24	Murray7501	Every day is exactly the same ~ There is no love here and there is no pain
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2024-09-08 09:07:24	Murray7501	\o/
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2024-09-08 09:21:49	dsimic	it may seem that procmail has some unfixed security issues, at least according to the official retirement announcement linked below
2024-09-08 09:21:52	dsimic	https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=141634350915839&w=2
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2024-09-08 09:21:55	dsimic	though, people say that procmail has seen some bugfixes recently: https://serverfault.com/questions/876336/is-it-safe-to-use-procmail-in-2017
2024-09-08 09:21:55	phrik	Title: 'please remove the procmail port' - MARC (at marc.info)
2024-09-08 09:21:56	phrik	Title: email - Is it safe to use procmail in 2017? - Server Fault (at serverfault.com)
2024-09-08 09:21:58	dsimic	while Arch Linux wiki says that isn't true: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Procmail ("last update 2001")
2024-09-08 09:21:59	phrik	Title: Procmail - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-08 09:22:01	dsimic	having a quick look at the procmail's Git repository confirms that it was updated in 2022 indeed: https://github.com/BuGlessRB/procmail
2024-09-08 09:22:03	phrik	Title: GitHub - BuGlessRB/procmail: The mail sorting program (at github.com)
2024-09-08 09:22:04	dsimic	version 3.24 of procmail was released in 2022: https://github.com/BuGlessRB/procmail/commit/07e769f07102767242edf835e995db6646bba373
2024-09-08 09:22:05	phrik	Title: Release v3.24 · BuGlessRB/procmail@07e769f · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-09-08 09:22:07	dsimic	shall we update the procmail wiki page not to include a warning box at the top?
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2024-09-08 09:37:57	dsimic	though, https://github.com/BuGlessRB/procmail/blob/master/HISTORY#L652 simply doesn't feel right
2024-09-08 09:37:58	phrik	Title: procmail/HISTORY at master · BuGlessRB/procmail · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-09-08 09:37:38	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-08 09:37:39	dsimic	if someone wanted to take over some project, they should've continued the way that project was led in the past, which means that the above-linked v3.24 history entry should've included the list of changes and bugfixes
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2024-09-08 09:42:48	dsimic	after having a look at the Git repository history, it seems like Stephen R. van den Berg indeed authored a lot of original procmail code, and it seems he simply changed his mind when it comes to the v3.24 release notes in the HISTORY file
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2024-09-08 09:59:16	ecraven	is there anything like xapian for javascript? something in the browser that I can throw objects at, it'll index them, and then I can write complex text queries that that library will parse and execute against the stored object data?
2024-09-08 10:00:27	Gnana	yeah
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2024-09-08 10:35:24	Erus_Iluvatar	dsimic: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Procmail&diff=prev&oldid=816081 looks good?
2024-09-08 10:35:25	phrik	Title: Procmail: Difference between revisions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-08 10:36:17	◣	shalok (~shalok@user/shalok) ha salido (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2024-09-08 10:36:45	dsimic	looking much better, thanks!
2024-09-08 10:37:08	dsimic	though, it's still debatable who's the actual author of procmail
2024-09-08 10:38:02	Erus_Iluvatar	Just s/the author/one of its authors/ ?
2024-09-08 10:38:15	dsimic	the references email message may actually not be from who's considered the real author, and the GitHub repository that contains the latest 2022 release comes from the person who seemingly wrote the majority of the procmail code
2024-09-08 10:38:33	dsimic	I think "one of its authors" would fit better
2024-09-08 10:38:52	dsimic	s/references/referenced/
2024-09-08 10:39:44	dsimic	it may also be good to include the following email message as a reference
2024-09-08 10:39:46	dsimic	https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1006633#24
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2024-09-08 10:41:25	Erus_Iluvatar	dsimic: what does the debian link bring?
2024-09-08 10:41:50	◥	Izurai (~Thunderbi@user/Izurai) has joined #archlinux
2024-09-08 10:41:56	dsimic	it describes how procmail has become kind-of maintained again
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2024-09-08 10:43:12	Erus_Iluvatar	IMO the link to the GitHub is enough for that
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2024-09-08 10:43:32	dsimic	makes sense
2024-09-08 10:43:59	Erus_Iluvatar	I've updated to "one of its authors"
2024-09-08 10:44:34	Erus_Iluvatar	next time you see a page out of date in the wiki, create an account if you don't already have one and update it ;)
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2024-09-08 10:45:36	dsimic	sure... :)  as a note, I'm an experienced Wikipedia editor with over 40k edits :)
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2024-09-08 10:45:59	dsimic	see also https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/en.wikipedia/Dsimic
2024-09-08 10:46:00	phrik	Title: Dsimic - Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org) - Edit Counter - XTools (at xtools.wmcloud.org)
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2024-09-08 10:49:23	Erus_Iluvatar	neat :)
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2024-09-08 10:51:06	Erus_Iluvatar	I'm always trying to remind people we're open to contributions :P
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2024-09-08 10:53:28	dsimic	I'll make sure to contribute :)
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2024-09-08 11:03:13	dsimic	Erus_Iluvatar: new wiki account created :)
2024-09-08 11:04:41	Erus_Iluvatar	since you already have experience with wikipedia, I'll just note we don't have the exact same style rules as them
2024-09-08 11:04:53	Erus_Iluvatar	e.g. we voluntarily have categories at the top of pages
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2024-09-08 11:10:08	dsimic	thanks for the notice...  virtually all wikis are a bit different
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2024-09-08 11:12:30	dsimic	see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dsimic#Articles_I've_created
2024-09-08 11:12:31	phrik	Title: User:Dsimic - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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2024-09-08 11:12:46	dsimic	you may find some familiar Wikipedia articles there :)
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2024-09-08 12:38:40	Gnana	anyone having same problem waybar clock not showing the correct time.. i do not know what got updated..why its showing UTC time
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2024-09-08 12:46:49	mkoskar	Gnana: is it only waybar doing that?
2024-09-08 12:57:34	MrElendig	Gnana: `timedatectl`
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2024-09-08 13:04:25	teraflops	Gnana: I have that very same issue
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2024-09-08 13:05:29	teraflops	is not miss configuration of date time 
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2024-09-08 13:06:20	teraflops	only waybar, in e.g gdm before log in I see correct time, system shows correct time too
2024-09-08 13:07:10	teraflops	I tried hardcoding timezone in bar config but it does not take effect
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2024-09-08 13:09:20	mkoskar	teraflops: maybe setting TZ as a workaround?
2024-09-08 13:09:29	teraflops	hmm
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2024-09-08 13:09:55	teraflops	looking at pacman's log right now, but I try setting TZ
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2024-09-08 13:13:37	teraflops	I set TZ=Europe/Paris but the issue perssist
2024-09-08 13:15:10	teraflops	last packages I installed are not related (llvm and mesa git)
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2024-09-08 13:23:34	mkoskar	teraflops: I just tried waybar (with default config) and the time is fine (CET), updating I see tzdata is being upgraded ... and tried again I get UTC, downgrading tzdata to 2024a-2 "fixes it"
2024-09-08 13:24:16	astralc	https://github.com/Alexays/Waybar/issues/3575
2024-09-08 13:24:18	phrik	Title: Everywhere in system date is correct, but waybar shows UTC time · Issue #3575 · Alexays/Waybar · GitHub (at github.com)
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2024-09-08 13:27:27	mkoskar	uhu, "cannot locate zone: ..." it has some troubles
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2024-09-08 13:28:01	klf	":: jdk-openjdk and jre-openjdk are in conflict"
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2024-09-08 13:28:49	klf	and this conflict is preventing me from a system upgrade (pacman -Syu)
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2024-09-08 13:28:32	klf	How should I go about resolving this?
2024-09-08 13:29:21	teraflops	mkoskar: yeah thanks, all I see on that topic is downgrade tzdata package
2024-09-08 13:29:23	mkoskar	klf: https://archlinux.org/news/incoming-changes-in-jdk-jre-21-packages-may-require-manual-intervention/ you're rather late with updates
2024-09-08 13:29:24	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News: Incoming changes in JDK / JRE 21 packages may require manual intervention (at archlinux.org)
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2024-09-08 13:31:22	klf	mkoskar: you are absolutely right.  I thought this would go unnoticed, but you picked up on it ::embarassed::
2024-09-08 13:32:22	klf	[confession]  I haven't updated my archlinux in almost two years, since nvidia dropped support for older gpus
2024-09-08 13:34:13	klf	mkoskar: may I ask, how were you able to quickly identify the issue?  Is there a webpage that tracks these types of issues, where in this case, you look up "jdk-openjdk" ?
2024-09-08 13:34:36	mkoskar	:) it's fine, didn't mean to embarrass, it happens, but I guess prepare for some manual poking required, a lot of .pacnew files and such, it's always good to go through arch news
2024-09-08 13:36:07	mkoskar	klf: there's just https://archlinux.org/news/ ... which is always good to look at when you encounter smt odd, but as for this case I just remembered it
2024-09-08 13:36:08	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - News (at archlinux.org)
2024-09-08 13:38:18	klf	mksokar, thank you.
2024-09-08 13:39:15	klf	I gave up on updating my arch installation when nvidia dropped linux support for older cards.
2024-09-08 13:39:46	klf	now that I got myself a 3070 I am ready to upgrade.
2024-09-08 13:40:16	bluetail	klf if another nvidia, 4070 ti as max. Above is major fire hazard
2024-09-08 13:40:43	bluetail	Nvidia does silently upgrade the female power socket, but there is no way to tell before buying
2024-09-08 13:40:58	bluetail	and still, maybe > 5080 be safer if nvidia is a hard requirement
2024-09-08 13:43:35	klf	bluetail: well, I was using a GTX760 for over 11 years before I am forced to upgrade to 3070, so unless nvidia decides to drop support for 3070 in the next 3 years I have nothing to worry about :-)
2024-09-08 13:43:42	demonicmaniac1	6.10 had a lot of issues apparently, nothing on the arch news but seemingly 555 or something caused a lot of issues with folks
2024-09-08 13:44:02	Katia	had or has?
2024-09-08 13:44:09	klf	and regarding 5080: "Nvidia RTX 5090 and 5080 GPUs rumored to reach up to 600W power consumption
2024-09-08 13:44:12	klf	"
2024-09-08 13:44:31	demonicmaniac1	i only saw some reports a week ago i haven't kept up with it
2024-09-08 13:50:12	Gnana	mkoskar: MrElendig teraflops https://termbin.com/jojh its showing my universal time
2024-09-08 13:53:31	mkoskar	Gnana: as astralc linked, watch this issue https://github.com/Alexays/Waybar/issues/3575
2024-09-08 13:53:32	phrik	Title: Everywhere in system date is correct, but waybar shows UTC time · Issue #3575 · Alexays/Waybar · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-09-08 13:58:47	dsimic	klf: can't you use Nouveau with your good, old GTX760?  it should be well supported, see below
2024-09-08 13:58:51	dsimic	https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html
2024-09-08 13:58:53	phrik	Title: FeatureMatrix · freedesktop.org (at nouveau.freedesktop.org)
2024-09-08 13:58:56	dsimic	https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/CodeNames.html#NVE0
2024-09-08 13:58:57	phrik	Title: CodeNames · freedesktop.org (at nouveau.freedesktop.org)
2024-09-08 14:01:51	klf	in my years of using Linux, I've always thought nouveau is for amd (ati).  They say if it ain't broke, don't change/fix it.  I guess I should've tried nouveau out when it was broken.  but now that I've got this 3070, I'll stick to factory drivers.
2024-09-08 14:07:13	dsimic	yeah, but binary drivers may be considered broken by default, so they may need fixing with open-source drivers :)
2024-09-08 14:07:27	gaku	boo nvidia boo
2024-09-08 14:07:57	Gnana	i did not found lower version tzdata to downgrade so i removed its working now.
2024-09-08 14:08:39	gaku	Gnana: wait what? O_o what'cha doin' nuking tzdata for?
2024-09-08 14:08:44	dsimic	gaku: boo indeed, making older hardware unusable only shows why binary drivers inevitably and eventually become broken
2024-09-08 14:08:50	Gnana	waybar clock problem
2024-09-08 14:09:04	gaku	Gnana: just set the timezone in waybar bruh
2024-09-08 14:09:10	Gnana	https://github.com/Alexays/Waybar/issues/3575
2024-09-08 14:09:11	phrik	Title: Everywhere in system date is correct, but waybar shows UTC time · Issue #3575 · Alexays/Waybar · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-09-08 14:09:20	Gnana	gaku: its stuck on utc
2024-09-08 14:09:49	gaku	Gnana: set timezone
2024-09-08 14:10:09	gaku	on the clock module set timezone, it's working for me, and I c no update for waybar pending
2024-09-08 14:11:03	gaku	oh, i c, and update on tzdata
2024-09-08 14:11:15	novns	Gnana, you can use some big round clock on a wall
2024-09-08 14:11:20	gaku	what in the world?
2024-09-08 14:11:30	gaku	welp, no updoots for me I guess
2024-09-08 14:12:08	Gnana	novns: :D
2024-09-08 14:12:22	Gnana	i have downloaded tzdb-2024a.tar.lz
2024-09-08 14:12:30	mkoskar	Gnana: for downgrading get yourself aur/downgrade
2024-09-08 14:12:55	Gnana	oh great mkoskar 
2024-09-08 14:12:57	Gnana	thanks
2024-09-08 14:13:08	gaku	this is giving me flashbacks, waybar devs need to get their sheit together with timedate
2024-09-08 14:14:58	Gnana	thank you. mkoskar 
2024-09-08 14:41:54	ArgyroNet	Hi there
2024-09-08 14:45:29	astralc	!give ArgyroNet welcomerpg
2024-09-08 14:45:30	phrik	ArgyroNet: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you fucked up.
2024-09-08 14:46:26	ArgyroNet	lol actually I literally just came by to say hi
2024-09-08 15:18:05	dubiago	teraflops: Apparently, my games were running on the nvidia all all along, according to nvidia-smi \o/
2024-09-08 15:29:17	skdjs	maintaining arch is so tedious
2024-09-08 15:29:40	skdjs	lost 20 minutes today troubleshooting X crashing
2024-09-08 15:31:05	astralc	skdjs: most of the time, you search who to blame of your arch braking... then look at a mirror, and find the culprit
2024-09-08 15:32:32	skdjs	obviously the maintainers are to blame, as they fail to package stuff properly to avoid breaking; earlier I thought pacman is just too primitive, but it turned out the packaging policy is to blame
2024-09-08 15:34:38	Antiz	skdjs: "obviously the maintainers are to blame, as they fail to package stuff properly to avoid breaking" <-- You can open a bug report 
2024-09-08 15:35:45	jelle	skdjs: you are not making any friends here :)
2024-09-08 15:36:38	skdjs	turning the machine off not knowing if you can turn it on again is NOT fun
2024-09-08 15:37:04	Antiz	skdjs: Since you're there, I assume you found the culprit and the solution?
2024-09-08 15:37:45	Antiz	skdjs: You also implied it was a packaging issue.
2024-09-08 15:37:56	Antiz	skdjs: Then please report it properly so it can be fixed permanently :) 
2024-09-08 15:38:08	Antiz	skdjs: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bug_reporting_guidelines
2024-09-08 15:38:10	phrik	Title: Bug reporting guidelines - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-08 15:38:39	demonicmaniac1	everybody is dying to know what the issue was
2024-09-08 15:38:50	skdjs	the culptir was https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/mesa/
2024-09-08 15:38:53	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - mesa 1:24.2.2-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2024-09-08 15:39:56	Antiz	skdjs: Ok, so what was the actual problem/how did you fixed it?
2024-09-08 15:42:58	skdjs	the problem was the dependencies were too inprecise to update the package properly so I have to update it manually
2024-09-08 15:43:52	Antiz	skdjs: What do you mean "imprecise"? And what do you mean by "update manually"? 
2024-09-08 15:44:08	Antiz	skdjs: Again, if you feel this is a packaging issue, please report it there https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/mesa/-/issues
2024-09-08 15:44:09	phrik	Title: Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / mesa · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-09-08 15:44:20	skdjs	there was no versioning provided
2024-09-08 15:44:41	Antiz	versioning for what?
2024-09-08 15:44:52	Antiz	No versioning should be needed
2024-09-08 15:46:31	skdjs	why? the libraries' abi changes from version to version and the version that provides all the symbols required by a package should be specified to trigger tthe update
2024-09-08 15:47:03	Namarrgon	This is not an issue unless you performa partial upgrades.
2024-09-08 15:47:12	Antiz	skdjs: Nop, it sounds like you did a partial upgrade
2024-09-08 15:47:16	Antiz	which is not supported
2024-09-08 15:48:11	Antiz	See https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_maintenance#Partial_upgrades_are_unsupported
2024-09-08 15:48:13	phrik	Title: System maintenance - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-08 16:10:47	Erus_Iluvatar	and https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Frequently_asked_questions#Why_is_there_only_a_single_version_of_each_shared_library_in_the_official_repositories?
2024-09-08 16:10:48	phrik	Title: Frequently asked questions - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-08 16:15:19	docdrow	anyone using waybar?  A recent update broke it's ability to recognize my timezone it seems
2024-09-08 16:15:55	phrik	Title: Everywhere in system date is correct, but waybar shows UTC time · Issue #3575 · Alexays/Waybar · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-09-08 16:17:20	docdrow	ah, tzdata.. thanks gents
2024-09-08 16:17:22	docdrow	!next
2024-09-08 16:17:22	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2024-09-08 16:29:01	dubiago	Interesting..I seem to be getting better framerates on 6.6.49-1-lts than 6.10.8.arch1-1
2024-09-08 16:32:25	MacGyver	Is it still the case that we build our LTS kernels with a different CONFIG_HZ than the plain kernels?
2024-09-08 16:32:41	MacGyver	And does it still matter?
2024-09-08 16:35:07	Warepire	MacGyver: CONFIG_HZ is 300 in both linux-lts and linux packages
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2024-09-08 16:36:32	Warepire	It was changed in lts when lts moved to 6.1 kernel.
2024-09-08 16:37:03	MacGyver	And what's the NO_HZ settings in LTS?
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2024-09-08 16:37:21	MacGyver	I'm wondering whether this is the reason for the difference dubiago is observing, rather than any actual version differences.
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2024-09-08 16:37:51	Warepire	NO_HZ=y NO_HZ_FULL=y
2024-09-08 16:37:57	MacGyver	The plain kernel is compiled with NO_HZ_FULL, NO_HZ_COMMON, and NO_HZ.
2024-09-08 16:38:15	Warepire	NO_HZ_COMMON=y is also set for lts
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2024-09-08 16:38:22	MacGyver	Then there's no difference.
2024-09-08 16:38:29	MacGyver	Thanks.
2024-09-08 16:38:33	Warepire	No problems.
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2024-09-08 17:08:01	dubiago	Well, I'll keep poking and see if I can change that. But, I have a feeling nvidia forms their drivers to LTS?
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2024-09-08 18:41:40	srg	Hi. About a week ago, I updated all my packages, rebooted, and all my audio devices disappeared. The speakers and 1/8" audio jack devices stopped working. USB-C headset works fine. I'm using a Dell XPS 17 with alsa, pulseaudio, and sof-firmware. Here's my alsainfo: https://alsa-project.org/db/?f=bd4f8838f5193076cf33c18ca4941cf8ae581eb2
2024-09-08 18:42:23	srg	I see some errors in the dmesg (included in the alsa-info) that I suspect might be the issue. Anyone have ideas? I've done some troubleshooting and googling around to no avail.
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2024-09-08 18:43:30	srg	I'm not sure if this is a regression caused by a package update or a hardware failure or what
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2024-09-08 18:46:34	teraflops	srg: tried lts kernel?
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2024-09-08 18:49:17	srg	I have not. Good idea, I'll give it a shot
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2024-09-08 18:56:33	dsimic	srg: can you send the entire output of dmesg, e.g. using termbin?
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2024-09-08 19:00:53	srg	dsimic: https://termbin.com/3m0u
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2024-09-08 19:07:50	dsimic	srg: thanks, here are the interesting lines:
2024-09-08 19:07:52	dsimic	[   20.323906] sof-audio-pci-intel-tgl 0000:00:1f.3: unknown sof_ext_man header type 3 size 0x30
2024-09-08 19:08:00	dsimic	[   20.454941] sof_sdw sof_sdw: ASoC: Parent card not yet available, widget card binding deferred
2024-09-08 19:10:09	dsimic	there are even oopses that seem to be caused by the proprietary Nvidia GPU driver
2024-09-08 19:10:42	dsimic	I'd suggest that you try updating the Nvidia driver first, to try to get rid of those oopses
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2024-09-08 19:11:34	dsimic	then you should bisect the kernel, to find the commit that caused the audio-related issues
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2024-09-08 19:14:56	dsimic	you may also want to try running latest -rc kernel, to see does it include fixes for the audio issue
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2024-09-08 19:27:22	srg	Hmm well now I broke the whole system lmao
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2024-09-08 20:28:54	hrehf	when packaging python packages, how do you add packages that don't have a pkgbuild yet?
2024-09-08 20:29:06	hrehf	*dependency packages
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2024-09-08 20:31:35	bookworm	you don't, you start writing the dependency pkgbuild ;P
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2024-09-08 21:01:05	Tharre	There still isn't an 'official' buildbot type thing for arch, right?
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2024-09-08 21:41:27	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-08 23:17:32	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-08 23:17:32	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-09 00:50:23	horzion	had to revert these packages so xmonad doesnt boot me back to sddm: xmonad-contrib-0.18.0-16-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst vulkan-icd-loader-1.3.285-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst vulkan-headers-1\:1.3.285-1-any.pkg.tar.zst lib32-vulkan-icd-loader-1.3.279-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
2024-09-09 00:50:57	horzion	i am not sure which package specifically, but one of them
2024-09-09 03:22:17	shalok	Is there any way to invert the driver for the microphone mute led?
2024-09-09 03:22:31	shalok	By default the led lights up if the microphone is muted.
2024-09-09 03:22:47	shalok	I want it to do the exact opposite, i.e. only light up if the microphone is not muted.
2024-09-09 03:27:53	Edu4rdSHL	shalok, you might have to manually play with the leds on /sys/class/leds
2024-09-09 03:29:22	Edu4rdSHL	I think that some udev trigger should do the trick
2024-09-09 03:30:12	Edu4rdSHL	shalok, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Lenovo_ThinkPad_T14_(AMD)_Gen_3#Mute_Mic_LED_always_on it may work for some Thinkpad models
2024-09-09 03:30:13	phrik	Title: Lenovo ThinkPad T14 (AMD) Gen 3 - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-09 03:30:57	Edu4rdSHL	nvm, that seems to be for some led fix
2024-09-09 03:33:25	shalok	Edu4rdSHL: Looks like I can switch it on/off using /sys/class/leds/platform::micmute/brightness
2024-09-09 03:33:56	shalok	Edu4rdSHL: Is there a 'trigger' that fires when the mic is (un)muted that I use to execute a `echo 0 > ...`?
2024-09-09 03:37:53	Edu4rdSHL	shalok, what do you have into `/sys/class/leds/platform::micmute/trigger`
2024-09-09 03:39:27	shalok	Edu4rdSHL: I think the default is audio-micmute, but it gets set to none if I manually write brightness.
2024-09-09 03:40:31	shalok	Clearly the kernel knows when the mic mute changes, does it export this info somehow to userspace processes?
2024-09-09 03:40:45	rcf	shalok: are you using pulse/pipewire 
2024-09-09 03:40:47	another|	shalok: `echo follow-route > /sys/class/sound/ctl-led/mic/mode`
2024-09-09 03:42:41	another|	sound server is not relevant
2024-09-09 03:43:03	shalok	another|: I think that worked!
2024-09-09 03:43:31	another|	shalok: yes. I had that for months
2024-09-09 03:43:47	Edu4rdSHL	You might have to create a service to set it on boot
2024-09-09 03:44:59	another|	I'm using tmpfiles.d. It's not perfect but works good enough
2024-09-09 03:45:59	shalok	another|: Do you happen to remember where the docs are for /sys/class/sound/ctl-led/mic/mode ?
2024-09-09 03:49:24	shalok	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/71768#comment201634
2024-09-09 03:49:25	phrik	Title: FS#71768 : X220 Mic Mute Button LED won't turn off since kernel 5.13 (at bugs.archlinux.org)
2024-09-09 03:50:10	another|	shalok: no, sorry. I was piecing it together from various bug reports
2024-09-09 03:52:01	shalok	brb, rebooting to make sure it sticks
2024-09-09 03:52:31	espresso	another|: I really like tmpfiles.d.. dead-easy directives already replaced a few scripts I had written
2024-09-09 04:00:27	rcf	another|++
2024-09-09 04:03:03	another|	espresso: yeah, the only annoying thing is that on package upgrade it tries to write them again and fails in specific cases
2024-09-09 04:04:53	espresso	another|: ah I see.. was curious
2024-09-09 04:09:30	shalok	Is it normal for audio playback to be muted after rebooting?
2024-09-09 04:09:55	shalok	I always have to manually unmute it after I log in.
2024-09-09 04:11:14	shalok	And on a related note, why does the KDE volume control think that the playback is not muted after logging in, even though it is?
2024-09-09 04:12:19	mefistofeles	shalok: I don't think that's the default behavior, what do you do to unmute it?
2024-09-09 04:13:02	shalok	mefistofeles: Just press the mute button twice in succession.
2024-09-09 04:14:17	mefistofeles	shalok: so a mixer would show it just fine but no playback audio whatsoever?
2024-09-09 04:15:33	shalok	shalok: the volume widget shows varying volume bars, but I can't hear anything.
2024-09-09 04:16:18	shalok	mefistofeles^
2024-09-09 04:18:57	shalok	I assume KDE audio blindly assumes that the audio is enabled upon logging in instead of actually checking.
2024-09-09 04:19:38	shalok	But maybe if I can figure out how to unmute the audio on login I wont have to worry about the visual bug.
2024-09-09 04:19:41	mefistofeles	shalok: well, it shouldn't be muted, that's the surprising part, I guess
2024-09-09 04:19:46	shalok	yeah
2024-09-09 04:19:47	mefistofeles	shalok: are you using pipewire?
2024-09-09 04:19:51	shalok	I think so
2024-09-09 04:20:31	shalok	Yeah, I'm running a pipewire.service.
2024-09-09 04:20:55	shalok	It also has pipewire-pulse.service which I assume is a compatibility shim.
2024-09-09 04:24:31	mefistofeles	shalok: is this a dual boot system? Does it happen after booting into the other system first or so?
2024-09-09 04:24:37	shalok	mefistofeles: Which layer is responsible for re-enabling the audio, alsa or pipewire?
2024-09-09 04:25:19	shalok	mefistofeles: I dunno, I broke my windows install a while ago, so right now I've only got Linux.
2024-09-09 04:25:29	mefistofeles	shalok: oh ok, so it's probably not that
2024-09-09 04:27:39	bmc77	Does anyone here have experience with syslinux and timeshift?
2024-09-09 04:28:14	mefistofeles	shalok: you could probably script it with `pactl set-sink-mute 0 toggle` as in https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=282417  
2024-09-09 04:28:16	phrik	Title: [Solved] Sound Muted at each startup / Laptop Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-09-09 04:28:22	mefistofeles	shalok: but I still think it shouldn't happen
2024-09-09 04:52:35	shalok	Looks like both alsa and pipewire (indirectly through the pulse emulation) can mute the sound.
2024-09-09 04:53:02	shalok	It looks like there are scripts to save/restore alsa config and they work ok.
2024-09-09 04:53:13	shalok	Might be an issue with pw
2024-09-09 04:53:22	shalok	gonna reboot again and check pw config
2024-09-09 05:30:29	klf	"Replace pkg_a with pkg_b? [Y/n]"
2024-09-09 05:31:04	rcf	Usually you want to say yes. But for specifics, we'd need to know the exact packages in question. 
2024-09-09 05:31:08	klf	is there an option/flag that I can use to implicitly choose 'Y'?
2024-09-09 05:31:27	klf	there's over 40 of them
2024-09-09 05:32:45	rcf	klf: if you insist on not answering anything, --noconfirm. I'd advise against it, though. 
2024-09-09 05:34:06	klf	ok
2024-09-09 06:35:46	zulc22	hello, I set up a WireGuard connection with NetworkManager and I can't seem to get the IP routes for the internet to not go through it. I need 10.66.66.0/32 to route through WireGuard and everything else to route through ethernet. The internet is completely inaccessible.
2024-09-09 06:47:01	espresso	zulc22: hello, I have no experience with WG, but might I throw out there that you have probably seen https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/WireGuard  and maybe some of  https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%253Abbs.archlinux.org+wireguard+route
2024-09-09 06:47:02	phrik	Title: WireGuard - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-09 06:53:39	zulc22	allowed IPs is set to the subnet that it needs to be (10.66.66.0/24), I don't understand why stuff is still being routed to wg0 when it shouldn't be
2024-09-09 06:57:47	espresso	zulc22: #linux may be a good place to ask and is active
2024-09-09 06:59:06	espresso	and I am curious and there too
2024-09-09 07:08:53	grawity	zulc22: nmcli con modify foo ipv4.never-default yes
2024-09-09 07:13:57	Gnea	I'm trying to setup a backup routine for a variety of disks, some of which run ZFS due to being FreeBSD based. I can get zpool to mount them, but when I go to look at the directory, there's no data there. I feel like I'm missing a step... I'm following https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ZFS
2024-09-09 07:13:58	phrik	Title: ZFS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-09 07:37:28	espresso	Gnea: #linux is active and may be helpful there. (no data in zpool mounts for ZFS)
2024-09-09 07:45:22	Gnea	espresso: thanks
2024-09-09 09:21:59	alwyn	Apologies, was my last message received or no? I think I disconnected right as I sent it
2024-09-09 09:22:46	mpan	alwyn: it was not.
2024-09-09 09:23:18	alwyn	Cheers
2024-09-09 09:23:26	alwyn	I initially installed my laptop with ly as login manager. Now I'm running KDE Plasma, which recommends sddm. I tried installing & enabling sddm, and while I can login, it seems my PATH is different or something? In any case, when logging into Plasma with sddm instead of ly, it cannot locate my gpg keyring, while this is no issue in ly
2024-09-09 09:27:14	samuelbernardo	Hello :)
2024-09-09 09:27:45	mkoskar	o/
2024-09-09 09:28:20	samuelbernardo	When launching docker:dind or docker:dind-rootless it fails because of apparmor
2024-09-09 09:28:38	samuelbernardo	s/When/when/
2024-09-09 09:29:56	alwyn	samuelbernardo: is that a question?
2024-09-09 09:30:11	Edu4rdSHL	alwyn, context. What does "cannot locate my gpg keyring" means. You can have many GPG keyrings on your system, so
2024-09-09 09:30:44	alwyn	Edu4rdSHL: kwalletd cannot load my user's default keyring
2024-09-09 09:30:44	samuelbernardo	alwyn: is dind still possible to use with current docker release?
2024-09-09 09:31:06	Edu4rdSHL	alwyn, what's the error message
2024-09-09 09:33:48	alwyn	Edu4rdSHL: I can't find it in the logs, I'll have to relogin to check that. I'll get back...
2024-09-09 09:34:22	alwyn	samuelbernardo: I don't know that unfortunately, but it would help if you could elaborate on "because of apparmor". Do you have an error message, logs, etc.?
2024-09-09 09:41:45	Begasus	Hello, I'm not a ArchLinux user myself, but one of the package maintainers for haikuports (Haiku), I tend to spend some time looking up on you recipes on packaging ports (as they are quite simular to ours)
2024-09-09 09:43:04	BrainDamage	hello, welcome, you're free to hang by, it's only when people ask about supporting other distros that people get upset
2024-09-09 09:43:06	Begasus	I'm looking into kaccounts_integration atm, having some errors trying to build it for KF5, and when checking repology I see you still use an older version there (23.04.2 instead of the latest there 23.08.5), is there any reason behind this choice?
2024-09-09 09:44:12	Begasus	no questions on supporting other distros, only interested in buildprocesses for Arch packages :)
2024-09-09 09:44:17	grawity	the repology data sounds out-of-date, we have kaccounts-integration 24.08.0
2024-09-09 09:44:40	Begasus	yeah, that's mentioned, but that is the KF6 version currently
2024-09-09 09:45:10	Edu4rdSHL	That's because we don't have a "KF5" version
2024-09-09 09:45:21	Edu4rdSHL	We only have kaccounts-integration, which is always the latest
2024-09-09 09:45:41	grawity	yeah - the git repo shows we did have 23.08.5 at one point, but that was replaced by 24.x in like a week
2024-09-09 09:45:54	Begasus	https://www.archlinux32.org/packages/i686/extra/kaccounts-integration/
2024-09-09 09:45:56	phrik	Title: Arch Linux 32 - kaccounts-integration 23.04.2-1.0 (i686) (at www.archlinux32.org)
2024-09-09 09:46:04	Edu4rdSHL	So, repology is probably using the data from when it got replaced by the kf6 version
2024-09-09 09:46:06	Begasus	still mentioned there
2024-09-09 09:46:07	grawity	archlinux32 does their own thing (or doesn't)
2024-09-09 09:46:19	grawity	they're more or less a separate downstream project
2024-09-09 09:47:01	Begasus	ah, good to know, thought it was a combined effort (already knew the AUR setup)
2024-09-09 09:47:21	socksinspace	they are in #archlinux32 :)
2024-09-09 09:47:34	grawity	there's a 23.08.5-1 in https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/kaccounts-integration/-/commits/main but I guess they didn't pick it up due to being short-lived or something?
2024-09-09 09:47:35	phrik	Title: Commits · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / kaccounts-integration · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-09-09 09:48:46	BrainDamage	the arm port is also a downstream project, to make things clear
2024-09-09 09:50:02	Begasus	figured that now that I know archlinux32 is one also :)
2024-09-09 09:50:08	Begasus	found it thanks!
2024-09-09 10:17:57	klf	I need to move my current archlinux installation to a bigger partition. Will `sudo cp -rf -a /mnt/myArch /mnt/newHome` do the job?
2024-09-09 10:21:18	BrainDamage	yes, you might need to edit fstab and/or the bootloader
2024-09-09 10:23:09	BrainDamage	in fact, copying that way will lead to the fs rearranging things to fit better the drive rather than a bitwise copy, so you'll get slightly better performance too
2024-09-09 10:24:18	astralc	is there difference in performance/permissions between cp and rsync for this case?
2024-09-09 10:24:40	klf_1	BrainDamage: yep.  I will get the UUID of the new fs via 'blkid /dev/sda2' :-)
2024-09-09 10:25:02	klf_1	and update fstab accordingly
2024-09-09 10:25:55	klf_1	and grub.cfg too, like a G would :-)
2024-09-09 10:34:30	susi	a true G wouldn't need to update the bootloader config at all
2024-09-09 10:34:54	rcf	:O
2024-09-09 10:34:58	rcf	Lies
2024-09-09 10:36:13	klf_1	you took the bait. (I knew someone would take a bite)
2024-09-09 10:40:44	klf	susi, but since you did, I guess I'll instead just change the UUID of the fs.
2024-09-09 10:40:53	susi	I mean, Ise got all self-written grub.d configs, that do the job for me when I construct the config with grub-mkconfig
2024-09-09 10:41:21	susi	with the help of some grub helper functions
2024-09-09 10:42:12	klf	Now, that's a top G rigt thurr.
2024-09-09 10:43:44	klf	I hope this system upgrade will go smoothly... first update in almost two years
2024-09-09 10:43:46	Dworin	G?
2024-09-09 10:45:00	susi	klf: then it most likely won't be smooth... if you don't do it carefully in steps through ALA
2024-09-09 10:45:13	susi	and even when you do, it likely ain't gonna be smooth
2024-09-09 10:45:30	rcf	It may be smooth regardless 
2024-09-09 12:31:10	The-Compiler	I'm trying to set up my new laptop, and want to use LXDM again, but for some reason it refuses to let me log in. I tried LightDM before and my session starts with that, but with LXDM, I'm just back into the login screen after a quick flash. I can find nothing useful in journalctl -f (just an immediate "Started session" and "session closed"). There is also nothing of relevance in
2024-09-09 12:31:12	The-Compiler	/var/log/lxdm.log or Xorg.0.log, neither in ~/.xsession-errors.
2024-09-09 12:31:19	The-Compiler	Any idea how I could debug this? I'm out of ideas...
2024-09-09 12:31:45	The-Compiler	From what I can gather, my WM (herbstluftwm) isn't getting started at all, and I did select that as session
2024-09-09 12:38:17	Ingar	is there an easy way to send desktop notifications from within a shell script?
2024-09-09 12:38:26	alad	notify-send
2024-09-09 12:38:35	Ingar	alad: thanks, I will look into that
2024-09-09 12:39:21	Ingar	nice, that does exactly what I need
2024-09-09 12:45:39	Warepire	The-Compiler: From basic googling I gathered that LXDM does not implement XDMCP, and herbsluftwm depends on XDMCP
2024-09-09 12:46:46	The-Compiler	hm, found the culprit, the /etc/lxdm/Xsession sourced ~/.profile which sourced a ~/.profile-private and that didn't exist yet. Not sure why that interrupted the entire script since I can't see -e set anywhere for sh, but nothing did run after it...
2024-09-09 12:47:05	The-Compiler	Warepire: "depends on XDMCP"? From what I could gather that is a way to start X sessions remotely?
2024-09-09 12:48:06	The-Compiler	Maybe I should be using something less ancient though? I mostly want autologin with something that plays nice with all the systemd/logind/XDG stuff...
2024-09-09 12:48:40	⚡ 	Warepire did not think about actually googling xdmcp, just googled what lxdm can't do and checked what herbsluftwm needs to compile
2024-09-09 12:56:58	The-Compiler	wtf, my laptop screen panel has rounded corners?!
2024-09-09 13:10:32	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-09 15:10:46	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-09 15:10:46	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1397 apodos (0 ops, 0 voiced, 1397 regular)
2024-09-09 13:39:03	astralc	good, nvidia_drm.fbdev now works without early kms
2024-09-09 14:16:17	alwyn	Potential potato KDE Plasma question: how do I get my menu bar in for example keepassxcd back? I don't see Database/Entries/Groups/Tools etc. at the top
2024-09-09 14:17:03	alwyn	Like this: https://keepassxc.org/docs/KeePassXC_UserGuide#_toolbar
2024-09-09 14:17:04	phrik	Title: KeePassXC: User Guide (at keepassxc.org)
2024-09-09 14:17:07	alwyn	That toolbar is just not there :P
2024-09-09 14:17:41	astralc	right click on toolbar area?
2024-09-09 14:18:47	alwyn	!paste
2024-09-09 14:18:48	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-09-09 14:18:52	alwyn	!rs
2024-09-09 14:18:53	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2024-09-09 14:18:57	astralc	or just press <alt>
2024-09-09 14:19:22	astralc	and select it in view menu
2024-09-09 14:20:07	alwyn	astralc: neither work
2024-09-09 14:20:27	astralc	alt, without other keys doesn't work?
2024-09-09 14:20:29	alwyn	alt/altgr does nothing, and neither does right clicking 
2024-09-09 14:20:31	alwyn	correct
2024-09-09 14:20:50	alwyn	!0x0
2024-09-09 14:20:51	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-09-09 14:21:25	alwyn	For reference, this is what it looks like for me: https://0x0.st/Xxoi.png
2024-09-09 14:23:13	astralc	close keepassxc, and change ~/.config/keepassxc/keepassxc.ini
2024-09-09 14:23:50	astralc	HideMenubar under [GUI]
2024-09-09 14:25:44	alwyn	Where did you get this setting from if I may ask?
2024-09-09 14:26:18	alwyn	Is it HideMenubar or HideMenuBar? Doesn't seem to have an effect though :(
2024-09-09 14:26:51	astralc	Maybe I wrote in wrong capitalization
2024-09-09 14:27:04	astralc	and I checked the config after I changed the setting
2024-09-09 14:27:32	astralc	you need to set it to false
2024-09-09 14:28:06	astralc	HideMenubar, I checked again
2024-09-09 14:28:47	alwyn	Doesn't work :/
2024-09-09 14:29:36	astralc	do you have special errors in terminal if you start it there?
2024-09-09 14:31:09	alwyn	qt.qpa.wayland: Wayland does not support QWindow::requestActivate()
2024-09-09 14:31:14	alwyn	2 times
2024-09-09 14:32:40	monkfish	changing HideMenubar to false does work but it's still lousy UX.
2024-09-09 14:33:54	alwyn	It doesn't for me :(
2024-09-09 14:34:02	monkfish	exit the application first.
2024-09-09 14:34:13	alwyn	I closed it a dozen times by now
2024-09-09 14:34:17	monkfish	how?
2024-09-09 14:34:42	monkfish	I ask because simply closing the window won't necessarily count.
2024-09-09 14:34:54	alwyn	ctrl+q
2024-09-09 14:35:10	monkfish	that should be sufficient. strange.
2024-09-09 14:35:45	monkfish	and you made the edit efter Ctrl+Q, right?
2024-09-09 14:35:49	monkfish	after*
2024-09-09 14:36:23	alwyn	I did see a keepassxc-proxy process running after closing, killed it, but still no change
2024-09-09 14:36:25	alwyn	correct
2024-09-09 14:37:30	monkfish	for the sake of experimentation, how about if keepassxc.ini is temporarily renamed? perhaps it's choking somewhere during parsing (as unlikely as it may be).
2024-09-09 14:38:15	alwyn	No toolbar even with a blank keepassxc.ini
2024-09-09 14:38:22	alwyn	I'm thinking this is something plasma does?
2024-09-09 14:38:23	monkfish	incredible.
2024-09-09 14:39:14	monkfish	you can have "window rules" in plasma. can they have such an effect? I don't think so but perhaps.
2024-09-09 14:39:35	grawity	IIRC older qt did have a feature where it'd cooperate with plasma to implement a "global menu bar", macOS style
2024-09-09 14:43:22	alwyn	I don't have any window rules at all
2024-09-09 14:43:49	alwyn	I did previously install krohnkite but never enabled it
2024-09-09 14:43:59	alwyn	but that's a kwin script, not a window rule
2024-09-09 14:44:15	samuelbernardo	https://bpa.st/MMXOM
2024-09-09 14:44:19	phrik	Title: View paste MMXOM (at bpa.st)
2024-09-09 14:44:39	samuelbernardo	The issue with docker when running dind: https://bpa.st/MMXOM
2024-09-09 14:44:43	phrik	Title: View paste MMXOM (at bpa.st)
2024-09-09 14:44:49	samuelbernardo	Any hint how to solve this?
2024-09-09 14:45:23	Namarrgon	samuelbernardo: uname -r && pacman -Q linux
2024-09-09 14:46:34	samuelbernardo	Namarrgon, https://bpa.st/UUFHE
2024-09-09 14:46:38	phrik	Title: View paste UUFHE (at bpa.st)
2024-09-09 14:52:57	samuelbernardo	Another important point, apparmor is disabled: https://bpa.st/4KC2G
2024-09-09 14:53:01	phrik	Title: View paste 4KC2G (at bpa.st)
2024-09-09 14:54:56	samuelbernardo	but module apparmor is configured and loaded in kernel: /sys/module/apparmor
2024-09-09 14:55:05	samuelbernardo	https://bpa.st/5GCJI
2024-09-09 14:55:09	phrik	Title: View paste 5GCJI (at bpa.st)
2024-09-09 14:56:00	monkfish	alwyn: is QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME defined in your environment?
2024-09-09 14:56:17	samuelbernardo	so, it seems archlinux kernel is compiled with apparmor configured as default and I can't override it with kernel parameters: apparmor=0 security=""
2024-09-09 14:56:35	alwyn	monkfish: nope
2024-09-09 14:56:47	samuelbernardo	don't know how to bypass this issue with docker
2024-09-09 14:57:07	samuelbernardo	maybe not related to apparmor... completely lost here
2024-09-09 14:58:42	samuelbernardo	already tried all workarounds: https://github.com/moby/moby/issues/44970#issuecomment-1475926048
2024-09-09 14:58:44	phrik	Title: Incorrect detection of lack of Apparmor installed · Issue #44970 · moby/moby · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-09-09 14:59:18	samuelbernardo	this an outdated issue, don't know if it continues to apply
2024-09-09 15:04:36	samuelbernardo	podman gives exactly the same output
2024-09-09 15:06:06	gromit	Is there a way for me to reset a certain usb device? After my yubikey was only half plugin and disconnected/connected a lot of time it seems my controller is stuck
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2024-09-09 15:14:26	Namarrgon	Have you tried the poorly documented usbreset tool?
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2024-09-09 15:18:58	gromit	Namarrgon: yes but without success
2024-09-09 15:20:34	gromit	Namarrgon: It seems like usbreset only works against devices and not controllers 🤔
2024-09-09 15:20:55	MacGyver	gromit: Reload the kernel module driving that controller.
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2024-09-09 15:21:06	MacGyver	gromit: Usually xhci_hcd nowadays, in my experience.
2024-09-09 15:21:18	MacGyver	gromit: Actually, wait.
2024-09-09 15:21:36	MacGyver	gromit: Don't reload the module, that's my last resort -- *reattach the device to the module* first.
2024-09-09 15:21:40	Namarrgon	iS the device plugged into a root hub directly?
2024-09-09 15:21:54	MacGyver	gromit: So through the unbind / bind sysfs files.
2024-09-09 15:22:00	gromit	MacGyver: will do! 
2024-09-09 15:22:13	gromit	Namarrgon: it's in one of my usb ports in the laptop
2024-09-09 15:22:43	MacGyver	gromit: And be mindful that you do this on a single bash line that will attempt the reattach even if everything before it fails, if your keyboard runs through that same USB controller :P
2024-09-09 15:23:19	gromit	MacGyver: if all goes wrong I can just SSH from my desktop, but will keep it in mind ;) 
2024-09-09 15:23:53	gromit	Normally I would just reboot my machine, but currently building a few packages (for arch heh) that take long
2024-09-09 15:24:06	MacGyver	Worst case you end up still needing to reboot eventually.
2024-09-09 15:24:21	MacGyver	But I've usually been able to recover a misbehaving USB3.1 controller this way.
2024-09-09 15:24:51	MacGyver	Sometimes with a suspend thrown in the mix.
2024-09-09 15:26:55	gromit	MacGyver: That did it, thanks! 
2024-09-09 15:26:57	gromit	printf '%s' "0000:04:00.3" > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/xhci_hcd/unbind ; sleep 2 ; printf '%s' "0000:04:00.3" > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/xhci_hcd/bind
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2024-09-09 15:27:33	MacGyver	I had this scripted as fixusb.sh that would run on VM shutdown when it passed back a certain USB controller to the host.
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2024-09-09 15:28:20	MacGyver	I no longer use that USB controller, never figured out why it was needed.
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2024-09-09 15:43:29	klf	Sucessfually updated my arch installation, but of course it broke a few things.  Plymouth (Display manager/login manager) rofi, just to name a few
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2024-09-09 15:44:26	klf	Does anyone have a cool Rofi config file they'd like can share? (I need to start my day)
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2024-09-09 15:45:38	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-09 15:45:13	klf	(for the time being, I am not even going to bother fixing Plymouth)
2024-09-09 15:45:38	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-09 15:47:12	klf	https://imgur.com/a/rYZJwGd
2024-09-09 15:47:13	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
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2024-09-09 15:51:19	klf	I am also open to rofi alternatives if someone would like to suggest
2024-09-09 15:53:56	gromit	klf: I think "cool" would be an overstatement but here is mine: https://github.com/christian-heusel/dotfiles/blob/main/roles/i3-configuration/templates/rofi.conf
2024-09-09 15:53:57	phrik	Title: dotfiles/roles/i3-configuration/templates/rofi.conf at main · christian-heusel/dotfiles · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-09-09 15:53:48	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-09 15:53:59	MacGyver	I just use dmenu and j4-dmenu-desktop.
2024-09-09 15:54:04	MacGyver	That's the role rofi takes, right?
2024-09-09 15:54:37	gromit	MacGyver: yes
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2024-09-09 15:56:29	klf	also broke Gazebo robot simulator ::facepalm::  
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2024-09-09 15:56:48	klf	gromit: thanks mate.  I'll try it out :-)
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2024-09-09 15:57:50	teraflops	klf: xorg?
2024-09-09 15:58:03	klf	yes sir
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2024-09-09 16:06:18	klf	gromit: do I just dump your 'rofi.conf' in ~/config/rofi/?
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2024-09-09 16:10:46	klf	gromit: nvm, I just had to rename your file as (and replace the existing) `config.rasi`
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2024-09-09 16:14:37	klf	does anyone happen to set the rofi search box to a fixed width?
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2024-09-09 16:26:22	teraflops	klf: https://gitlab.com/teraflops/dotfiles/-/blob/main/.config/rofi/launchers/type-2/style-1.rasi?ref_type=heads window/width
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2024-09-09 16:27:07	klf	manpage: " In newer rofi releases, all the theming options have been moved into the new theme format. They are no longer normal
2024-09-09 16:27:10	klf	         rofi options that can be passed directly on the command line (there are too many)."
2024-09-09 16:27:34	klf	teraflops: awesome!
2024-09-09 16:27:44	teraflops	klf: if yo do not have e theme file I guess smth link this -theme-str 'window {width: 80%; height: 60%;}'
2024-09-09 16:27:56	teraflops	e/a
2024-09-09 16:28:34	teraflops	note the I do not use rofi but a drop-in replacement for wayland
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2024-09-09 16:30:57	klf	teraflops: did you design/write that from scratch?
2024-09-09 16:31:18	teraflops	the rofi theme? nopes
2024-09-09 16:31:23	teraflops	ope
2024-09-09 16:31:59	teraflops	I picke one that I liked from internet and change a bit to my liking
2024-09-09 16:33:20	klf	teraflops: archcraft.io is a beautiful website.
2024-09-09 16:34:04	teraflops	in the header of the file there is the guy who wrote it
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2024-09-09 16:36:29	klf	do you mind if I send you a pm?  I'd like to learn how you created that beautiful background for your project site
2024-09-09 16:36:58	klf	(I won't bother you too much, I just want the gist of it and the tools and techniques used)
2024-09-09 16:37:06	klf	teraflops: ^
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2024-09-09 16:38:40	teraflops	go ahead
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2024-09-09 16:47:01	lavendar	Hello! I tried installing the aur package "airshipper" with paru and ran into an issue other people reported as well. Now the maintainer updated the package and the installation completes successfully on a vm but I still get the same error on my host machine. What should I do? Thank you!
2024-09-09 16:48:37	Warepire	Try installing it manually and check where it fails, and what the error output says.
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2024-09-09 16:49:29	lavendar	Warepire: alright, thank you, will try...
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2024-09-09 16:51:18	lavendar	is there a way to force paru to update its pkgbuild files? Because I think that paru doesn't detect the changes the maintainer made...
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2024-09-09 16:54:56	teraflops	--rebuild?
2024-09-09 16:56:14	lavendar	teraflops: thank you!
2024-09-09 16:56:16	teraflops	https://paste.priet.us/image.png
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2024-09-09 16:58:04	teraflops	lavendar: remember that flag because is normal to have to rebuild aur packages at some point
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2024-09-09 17:00:03	lavendar	teraflops: thank you, though the "--redownload" flag helped me out in the end, again thank you very much:))
2024-09-09 17:00:16	teraflops	ah, nice
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2024-09-09 21:21:51	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-09 21:27:46	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-09 22:11:55	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-09 22:17:49	ℹ 	chikuwasuka1 es conocido ahora como chikuwasuka
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2024-09-09 22:51:26	Namarrgon	yay, new pacman
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2024-09-09 23:00:08	alad	\:D/
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2024-09-09 23:02:15	Namarrgon	A missing 'files' file in the locala db is now a fatal error.
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2024-09-09 23:07:35	alad	wtf
2024-09-09 23:08:38	Namarrgon	Inconvenient but not so bad, you can still do the --dbonly dance or --overwrite
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2024-09-10 13:35:23	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-10 13:35:23	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1390 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1389 regular)
2024-09-10 12:53:28	satgeek	What a mess, sorry, I trusted the mirror
2024-09-10 12:53:33	satgeek	Yes, that's what happened
2024-09-10 12:53:40	satgeek	I wonder if that mirror should be supported
2024-09-10 12:53:52	satgeek	All null bytes is not a good sign for a TLS package...
2024-09-10 12:54:04	Foxboron	That doesn't matter, really
2024-09-10 12:54:20	Foxboron	we've had btrfs issues with the tier 0 mirror so I wonder if this is still a thing
2024-09-10 12:55:10	satgeek	It kinda does -- people will switch their "verification" to null and just force-install to "power through". Security is very much about usability. Make it hard to do something securely, and people will do the insecure thing eventually...
2024-09-10 12:55:38	satgeek	Anyway, a HUGE thanks to all of you!
2024-09-10 12:55:47	satgeek	Been struggling with this for too much time :(
2024-09-10 12:56:09	satgeek	(also, I fixed the evmone lib issue, sorry about that)
2024-09-10 12:56:43	Foxboron	Eh, anyone can set it to null. It doesn't matter if it's a TLS package, any compromised package leads to the same issue
2024-09-10 12:58:41	Namarrgon	Does archweb no longer show the upstream mirrors for each mirror anymore?
2024-09-10 12:58:48	Namarrgon	Or was that just a fever dream?
2024-09-10 12:59:07	Foxboron	Namarrgon: I thought it also did that once upon a time
2024-09-10 12:59:42	Namarrgon	It doesn't even list the tier of a mirror.
2024-09-10 13:00:18	Foxboron	Namarrgon: it does?
2024-09-10 13:02:40	Namarrgon	There's no mention of it on the individual mirror pages.
2024-09-10 13:02:51	Namarrgon	Maybe i'm not privileged enough to see it.
2024-09-10 13:25:36	frappe000	i use arch btw
2024-09-10 13:25:47	Katia	haha, never heard that one
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2024-09-10 13:51:03	carpenter	I choose the mirrors closes to my location
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2024-09-10 14:54:53	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-10 14:07:29	MrElendig	I choose mirrors that are actually up to date and somewhat close
2024-09-10 14:07:44	MrElendig	and those two things are not always the same :p
2024-09-10 14:08:00	MacGyver	I just remove the comment # in front of the entire country in which the machine lives.
2024-09-10 14:08:11	MacGyver	And cross my fingers.
2024-09-10 14:08:18	MrElendig	MacGyver: if I do that then I get a utterly broken mirror most of the time
2024-09-10 14:08:45	MacGyver	MrElendig: Move to Germany or the Netherlands then.
2024-09-10 14:08:49	alwyn	I created a simple systemd user unit that has an ExecStart without an absolute path. The script is in my PATH, including as shown by 'systemctl --user show-environment | grep PATH'. Yet trying to run it still gives 'Unable to locate executable'. Should I just use absolute paths?
2024-09-10 14:10:41	MacGyver	alwyn: You shouldn't need to, but be mindful that the user unit does not run in the user session environmental context.
2024-09-10 14:10:51	MacGyver	alwyn: So you need to set the PATH some other way.
2024-09-10 14:11:11	MacGyver	alwyn: See the note @ https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd/User#How_it_works
2024-09-10 14:11:13	phrik	Title: systemd/User - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-10 14:11:46	MacGyver	alwyn: So "just use absolute paths" may be the way to go.
2024-09-10 14:25:05	alwyn	Got it :)
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2024-09-10 16:56:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-10 16:23:02	jclsn	How to set SDDM resolution on Wayland?
2024-09-10 16:34:11	lairnc	qemu-common-9.1.0-2 and qemu-system-nios2-9.0.2-1 are in conflict. Remove qemu-system-nios2?
2024-09-10 16:34:23	lairnc	where can i see about what to do?
2024-09-10 16:34:41	lairnc	shouldnt they have tell something in mail list?
2024-09-10 16:35:20	lairnc	im at Arch-announce" mailing list. Should i be in more?
2024-09-10 16:38:06	lairnc	?
2024-09-10 16:40:39	gromit	lairnc: qemu-system-nios2-9.0.2-1 was removed upstream, so you can safely remove it 
2024-09-10 16:40:57	lairnc	great
2024-09-10 16:41:23	lairnc	about mailing lists, which ones should i subscribe to?
2024-09-10 16:42:25	lairnc	i would like to get more into arch linux community
2024-09-10 16:42:32	gromit	lairnc: this was not announced anywhere, but generally arch-announce and arch-dev-public 
2024-09-10 16:42:40	gromit	optionally also aur-general and arch-general
2024-09-10 16:42:43	lairnc	but i dont really know what do people do
2024-09-10 16:42:56	lairnc	oh
2024-09-10 16:42:57	lairnc	okay
2024-09-10 16:43:28	lairnc	if i were to contribute to arch, where would be a good place to start?
2024-09-10 16:43:43	gromit	lairnc: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Testing_Team
2024-09-10 16:43:45	phrik	Title: Arch Testing Team - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-10 16:43:51	gromit	lairnc: https://whatcanidofor.archlinux.org/
2024-09-10 16:43:52	phrik	Title: What can I do for Arch Linux? (at whatcanidofor.archlinux.org)
2024-09-10 16:44:01	gromit	lairnc: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Getting_involved
2024-09-10 16:44:02	phrik	Title: Getting involved - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-10 16:51:03	lairnc	phrik, ty!
2024-09-10 16:51:03	phrik	lairnc thanks you!
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2024-09-10 17:18:47	masoudd	Hello. What was the program that could give -Ql list of file but for non installed packages?
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2024-09-10 17:21:02	mpan	masoudd: pacman -Fl
2024-09-10 17:21:37	mpan	Keep in mind that file databases are updated separately from the sync databases.
2024-09-10 17:22:17	masoudd	Ah Thank you
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2024-09-10 18:44:01	susi	and what mpan said, means - you should do -Fy at times, if you are gonna make use of -F 
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2024-09-10 18:48:29	masoudd	Understood
2024-09-10 18:49:20	masoudd	Thanks
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2024-09-10 19:21:05	llua	when did pacman get -F?
2024-09-10 19:21:26	susi	some 10 years ago, or so
2024-09-10 19:22:14	susi	nvm, I don't really know. sorry
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2024-09-10 19:27:13	llua	sed q /var/log/pacman.log => [2010-10-30 18:45] installed filesystem (2010.02-4)
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2024-09-10 19:36:03	ℹ 	Katia es conocido ahora como katia
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2024-09-10 19:37:45	gehidore	good guess susi 
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2024-09-10 20:03:15	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-10 20:03:15	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1414 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1413 regular)
2024-09-10 20:03:16	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-10 20:04:52	kocsi	during mkinitcpio -P there's a couple warnings regarding missing firmware for various modules which I do not have anyway
2024-09-10 20:05:08	gehidore	safe to ignore
2024-09-10 20:05:10	kocsi	MODULES=(btrfs !aic94xx !bfa !qed !qla1280 !qla2xxx !wd719x !ast)   <- I thought this would work to stop displaying the warnings, but apparently not, now it's a bunch of errors
2024-09-10 20:05:14	gehidore	no less obnoxious
2024-09-10 20:05:36	kocsi	d'accord
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2024-09-10 20:25:35	ℹ 	Anaphaxeton es conocido ahora como Anaphaxaway
2024-09-10 20:26:05	Foxboron	kocsi: uhh, i don't think we support the ! syntax
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2024-09-10 20:47:29	siak	https://forum.arduino.cc/t/cant-save-nothing-on-arduinos-ide/1290854/2
2024-09-10 20:47:29	siak	Take a look at this please I have the same problem.
2024-09-10 20:47:29	phrik	Title: Can't save nothing on Arduino's IDE - #2 by ptillisch - IDE 2.x - Arduino Forum (at forum.arduino.cc)
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2024-09-10 20:50:12	siak	And I have another problem. I have to empty terminals open. When I shutdown and restart the reopen.
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2024-09-10 21:01:08	ℹ 	tomaw_ es conocido ahora como tomaw
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2024-09-10 21:34:56	chowbok	siak: Did you try the solution offered on that web page?
2024-09-10 21:35:44	chowbok	I have no idea what your second sentence means.
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2024-09-10 21:42:38	Brottweiler	siak: is it the default xterm windows that open in .xinitrc?
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2024-09-10 21:45:15	siak	chowbok: No. The app from official repo should work correctly.
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2024-09-10 21:45:45	siak	It is not just terminal windows. It restores the last session.
2024-09-10 21:46:00	siak	But the last session is not what it is supposed to be
2024-09-10 21:46:34	chowbok	I would try the AUR one anyway, and then if it works you can look at the PKGBUILDs and see what's different.
2024-09-10 21:46:50	siak	chowbok: THat is a valid suggestion.
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2024-09-10 21:47:15	dzhi	!paste
2024-09-10 21:47:15	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-09-10 21:48:09	Brottweiler	siak: what DE is this?
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2024-09-10 21:48:26	dzhi	I started seeing this boot message on my VPS, any idea why it happens and how to get rid of it? https://i.imgur.com/dWC1E9s.png
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2024-09-11 11:51:30	tatsumaru	is there a way to run both X and Wayland either simultaneously or in two parallel sessions in order to test how an app behaves in both?
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2024-09-11 12:18:57	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-11 12:18:57	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1376 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1375 regular)
2024-09-11 11:52:36	tatsumaru	What's the correct way to think about this problem
2024-09-11 11:54:58	Hunts	tatsumaru: a virtual machine possibly
2024-09-11 12:04:02	MrElendig	tatsumaru: what is the actual problem?
2024-09-11 12:04:59	tatsumaru	some apps occasionally not running very well under wayland and I want to test them in X without stopping everything else I do, on the same PC
2024-09-11 12:05:56	MrElendig	xwayland is a thing
2024-09-11 12:06:19	tatsumaru	is it reliable?
2024-09-11 12:06:32	MrElendig	pretty much
2024-09-11 12:06:45	jelle	reliable enough for games
2024-09-11 12:06:47	MrElendig	this assumes the apps you are trying to use actually run on wayland by default
2024-09-11 12:06:48	choucavalier	xwayland is exactly what you're looking for tatsumaru 
2024-09-11 12:06:48	jelle	and firefox :p
2024-09-11 12:07:06	choucavalier	it's a compatibility layer between wayland and X
2024-09-11 12:07:14	MrElendig	and are not using xwayland already
2024-09-11 12:07:14	choucavalier	to make a X11 app run under wayland
2024-09-11 12:07:55	MrElendig	what apps are these and how are they "not running well"?
2024-09-11 12:08:10	astralc	some apps work better under xwayland than on native wayland...
2024-09-11 12:09:12	rcf	And sometimes they're already running under Xwayland, which is actually the problem. 
2024-09-11 12:10:42	tatsumaru	hmm, from what I gather this is something installed by default and attempts to run any X11 apps by default. so if any app doesn't run well it's already failed under xwayland?
2024-09-11 12:11:12	jelle	tatsumaru: what app is having issues?
2024-09-11 12:11:16	tatsumaru	Matlab
2024-09-11 12:11:30	choucavalier	tatsumaru: xwayland is not installed by default
2024-09-11 12:11:45	choucavalier	but often it's installed
2024-09-11 12:11:51	astralc	lot of stuff pull it
2024-09-11 12:12:07	choucavalier	yup
2024-09-11 12:12:19	tatsumaru	jelle: matlab starts and some menus work but for some reason I can't enter my email, it just allows me to enter one letter. plus the wiki says it doesn't support wayland.
2024-09-11 12:12:28	jelle	is it java?
2024-09-11 12:12:55	tatsumaru	I think it's based on java yes
2024-09-11 12:13:03	tatsumaru	at least the UI
2024-09-11 12:13:04	choucavalier	matlab is c / c++ / matlab
2024-09-11 12:13:51	tatsumaru	google search says "the MATLAB desktop/UI, plotting UIs, and the GUIDE package are mostly written in Java"
2024-09-11 12:14:30	choucavalier	ah right some parts are in java
2024-09-11 12:14:34	rcf	Java does not play well with Wayland. 
2024-09-11 12:14:39	choucavalier	java is shit with wayland
2024-09-11 12:14:52	choucavalier	it's always a pain to open a java gui app
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2024-09-11 15:11:00	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-11 15:11:00	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1392 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1391 regular)
2024-09-11 14:11:00	ian|	Hello.  Is there a Steam package available (on the main repos, or AUR) that doesn't require me to pull in the [multilib] repository?
2024-09-11 14:11:52	BrainDamage	the flatpak package might work, but that still has 32 bit libs, just builtin
2024-09-11 14:13:29	ian|	Oh, great. I was thinking I wanted Steam to simply be installed in, say, /opt, so it was completely separate
2024-09-11 14:14:00	BrainDamage	bear in mind that flatpak sandboxing will show up in quite a few annoying ways
2024-09-11 14:14:05	BrainDamage	make sure to read the wiki
2024-09-11 14:15:15	astralc	what's wrong with multilib?
2024-09-11 14:15:35	ian|	do you know if there's no package for the Steam flatpak, but instead you have to use Flathub?
2024-09-11 14:16:13	grawity	flatpaks by definition don't come in pacman packages
2024-09-11 14:17:15	ian|	i really just wish there was a -bin that installed in /opt
2024-09-11 14:17:36	BrainDamage	why are you so hell-bent on a separate installation path?
2024-09-11 14:17:59	grawity	you can get that from the steam website I'm sure
2024-09-11 14:18:24	demonicmaniac1	you're aware that the steam package itself also just downloads/unpacks actual steam client stuff from valve and slaps it into ~ right?
2024-09-11 14:18:25	gromit	ian|: again, why dont just use multilib? 
2024-09-11 14:18:42	demonicmaniac1	it's gonna actually reside in ~ regardless
2024-09-11 14:19:01	grawity	why is steam in multilib anyway, is it a 32-bit program in itself?
2024-09-11 14:19:27	demonicmaniac1	it comes with 32bit runtimes depending on 32bit libs
2024-09-11 14:19:39	grawity	ah so the "steam runtime" isn't a *full* runtime?
2024-09-11 14:19:45	demonicmaniac1	correct
2024-09-11 14:19:56	grawity	I'd have thought all the 32-bit deps would be part of the runtime it downloads (or the native-runtime pacakge)
2024-09-11 14:20:00	demonicmaniac1	and as i said - it's only a bootstrap anyways the steam package
2024-09-11 14:20:12	demonicmaniac1	the actual "steam" and proton stuff is being pulled from valve on first launch
2024-09-11 14:20:23	astralc	it still depend on some system libraries
2024-09-11 14:20:31	demonicmaniac1	the package just bootstraps fetching shit from valve
2024-09-11 14:20:53	demonicmaniac1	it comes with a minimal runtime which has some 32bit libs in it depending on system 32bit libs
2024-09-11 14:21:11	ian|	odd that the Steam Deck runs a modified Arch Linux but steampowered.com provides a .deb for the client
2024-09-11 14:21:25	ian|	i'll figure it out later, thanks for the information
2024-09-11 14:21:30	BrainDamage	the steam runtime is ubuntu based
2024-09-11 14:21:40	BrainDamage	this dates back to when steamos was ubuntu based
2024-09-11 14:22:03	astralc	isn't it before steamos?
2024-09-11 14:22:44	astralc	general steam for linux
2024-09-11 14:22:44	astralc	?
2024-09-11 14:22:47	BrainDamage	I might be misremembering
2024-09-11 14:22:48	astralc	or the illusive "steam console"
2024-09-11 14:23:56	⚡ 	Strykar is sad his steam deck has not arrived :(
2024-09-11 14:28:40	ian|	does adding [multilib] with what 'steam' pulls in, allow for a clean uninstall of those lib32-* packages (no left over cruft)
2024-09-11 14:29:08	jelle	ian|: no, because you need them to run games
2024-09-11 14:29:19	ian|	i mean after you uninstall Steam
2024-09-11 14:39:09	jdarnley	Does anyone know if mosh supports auth-via-ssh over a vpn but then the udp connection is direct to the public IP?
2024-09-11 14:42:17	Strykar	jdarnley: that would depend on your VPN routing rules, also try #mosh
2024-09-11 14:44:19	jdarnley	 I didn't notice they had a channel thanks
2024-09-11 15:04:16	koalamaccer	after doing pacman -Syu and rebooting, lightdm won't log me into an xfce4 session. I've tried startx, with and without sudo, but it keeps going back to terminal after some errors https://0x0.st/Xxjy.txt
2024-09-11 15:07:01	astralc	I don't see any errors in that log
2024-09-11 15:07:09	gromit	yeah was about to say the same 
2024-09-11 15:08:31	koalamaccer	well no (EE), but there's this at the beginning xf86EnableIO: failed to enable I/O ports 0000-03ff (Operation not permitted)
2024-09-11 15:08:40	koalamaccer	where else could I look?
2024-09-11 15:09:15	gromit	koalamaccer: which packages did get updated in the last transaction? 
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2024-09-11 15:12:49	koalamaccer	https://0x0.st/Xxjx.txt
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2024-09-11 15:26:30	koalamaccer	here's the pacman log too https://0x0.st/Xxjl.txt . I originally wanted to update firefox only but then I just rolled with it
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2024-09-11 15:30:57	koalamaccer	could this be related to arandr? I have set up a profile that I am forcing to auto-load upon log-in
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2024-09-11 15:31:28	koalamaccer	but then, the screens should still initialize, even if the profile is not quite there
2024-09-11 15:31:41	koalamaccer	and I thought lightdm uses the profile already as well
2024-09-11 15:32:04	koalamaccer	lightdm seems to display with the correct screen resolutions already
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2024-09-11 16:05:07	harwiltz	Hi all. I've been running hyprland for a while, and while I mostly enjoy it, there have been a few bugs that have been driving me crazy. Can't tell if hyprland or wayland are to blame. I'm wondering if anyone here has had a similar experience.
2024-09-11 16:05:41	◣	derSpasm (~derSpasm@user/ectospasm) ha salido (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2024-09-11 16:05:52	harwiltz	Firstly, screenshare is a nightmare. I followed the guide in the wiki and in the hyprland docs, but screenshare rarely works for me in zoom or google meet. Sometimes I have to manually restart xdg-desktop-portal-hyprland, and even then that only works like 20% of the time
2024-09-11 16:06:45	harwiltz	And by "not working", I mean that I press 'share screen' in zoom / meet, and they think I'm sharing my screen, but participants see nothing.
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2024-09-11 16:07:39	harwiltz	Also, I find many daemons in the hyprland/wayland ecosystem often crash. Most frequently it's the swww daemon. Not really a huge deal, but it's annoying.
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2024-09-11 16:08:35	harwiltz	So basically, when I'm using hyprland, I find that I often have to keep restarting daemons and stuff just to keep things working, and I never have these issues in my xorg des / wms.
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2024-09-11 16:15:06	teraflops	harwiltz: do you have xwaylandvideobridge installed?
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2024-09-11 16:17:09	harwiltz	teraflops: no... I didn't know about that package. Silly question, but are firefox/chrome X applications?
2024-09-11 16:17:13	teraflops	https://wiki.hyprland.org/Useful-Utilities/Screen-Sharing/
2024-09-11 16:17:15	phrik	Title: Screen sharing – Hyprland Wiki (at wiki.hyprland.org)
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2024-09-11 16:18:08	teraflops	I think both can run native in wayland
2024-09-11 16:18:45	harwiltz	I only ever use zoom / meet through the browser though, so would xwaylandvideobridge be useful in this case?
2024-09-11 16:19:31	teraflops	idk, but it's worth trying
2024-09-11 16:20:05	harwiltz	Fair enough, I'll try. Thanks!
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2024-09-11 16:25:10	koalamaccer	I've created a testuser and managed to log in with it via lightdm just fine. xfce4 loaded. so it must be something with my regular user
2024-09-11 16:25:16	BrainDamage	by default they won't run native in wayland tho
2024-09-11 16:25:26	BrainDamage	so can and do is quite distinct here
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2024-09-11 16:26:09	harwiltz	BrainDamage: do you know of any way to check?
2024-09-11 16:26:22	teraflops	for ff you have to MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 and for chromium --ozone-platform-hint=auto
2024-09-11 16:26:41	harwiltz	Oh right, I think I did check that a while ago
2024-09-11 16:26:51	harwiltz	And I do have MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1
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2024-09-11 16:54:50	Ennea	teraflops, MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND should not be required anymore. firefox properly defaults to that on wayland when it detects it
2024-09-11 16:54:56	Ennea	has been doing that for a few versions now
2024-09-11 16:55:12	teraflops	good to know
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2024-09-11 16:55:33	Hunts	yes, firefox works fine on Wayland without any setup
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2024-09-11 17:39:28	Werdom	 hii- does anyone have problems connecting to the archlinux.org site?
2024-09-11 17:39:38	rcf	!isitup archlinux.org
2024-09-11 17:39:39	phrik	rcf: Error: That URL raised <<urlopen error [Errno -5] No address associated with hostname>>
2024-09-11 17:40:07	rcf	Well the bot does, but I don't. 
2024-09-11 17:40:10	jelle	loldns on phrik 
2024-09-11 17:40:28	Werdom	i cant connect to any, pings are successful, wget gets stuck after sending on "sent http request"
2024-09-11 17:40:51	Werdom	rcf so the site IS down?
2024-09-11 17:40:56	jelle	Werdom: it is not
2024-09-11 17:41:06	Werdom	weird
2024-09-11 17:41:19	jelle	Werdom: you can't ping it either right?
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2024-09-11 17:41:22	jelle	oh you can hmm
2024-09-11 17:41:28	Werdom	as i said it pings
2024-09-11 17:41:35	Werdom	yeah
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2024-09-11 17:41:41	jelle	Werdom: do you have any sort of automated mirror checker or rss checker running? :)
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2024-09-11 17:42:21	Werdom	dont think so
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2024-09-11 17:42:33	Werdom	i just got a fresh install on my laptop
2024-09-11 17:42:38	Werdom	Connecting to archlinux.org (archlinux.org)|95.217.163.246|:80... connected.
2024-09-11 17:42:38	Werdom	HTTP request sent, awaiting response...
2024-09-11 17:42:42	Werdom	this is wget btw
2024-09-11 17:42:56	jelle	ah that ain't an ip ban then or hmm
2024-09-11 17:43:25	BrainDamage	have you tried other sites?
2024-09-11 17:43:37	Werdom	all of them im pretty sure
2024-09-11 17:43:59	Werdom	well the wiki works
2024-09-11 17:44:29	Werdom	only makes it weirder
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2024-09-11 17:45:13	thetitanium	hello
2024-09-11 17:45:31	Werdom	hi
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2024-09-11 17:47:29	jelle	Werdom: and now?
2024-09-11 17:48:14	Werdom	let me see
2024-09-11 17:48:34	thetitanium	sound not working, here's my asound.conf https://bpa.st/LQHFM
2024-09-11 17:48:37	phrik	Title: View paste LQHFM (at bpa.st)
2024-09-11 17:49:27	Werdom	jelle: still cant
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2024-09-11 17:49:33	rcf	hmm
2024-09-11 17:49:48	jelle	if you want to share your ip I can check if your banned (in a dm ofcourse)
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2024-09-11 17:50:44	thetitanium	thetitanium: speaker-test doesn't output any error, and the sound is actually there, but only on the front panel of my pc, not the rear one which i usually use
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2024-09-11 17:51:23	Werdom	jelle: ig but i have barely interacted with archlinux ever so idk if thats likely xd
2024-09-11 17:51:23	teraflops	thetitanium: checked alsamixer? anything muted there?
2024-09-11 17:51:29	rcf	thetitanium: there might be a switch in alsamier somewhere.
2024-09-11 17:51:42	thetitanium	no, nothing in alsamixer
2024-09-11 17:51:58	thetitanium	unless i missed something
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2024-09-11 17:52:58	rcf	Is it controlling the physical device itself? Check with F6
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2024-09-11 17:53:31	rcf	I forget if dmix makes a separate one or not
2024-09-11 17:53:50	thetitanium	rcf: it uses physical one, yes
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2024-09-11 17:57:19	gromit	thetitanium: which laptop is this on an which kernel are you using? 
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2024-09-11 17:59:03	thetitanium	gromit: mobo is msi-z390 gaming plus, kernel is regular i guess
2024-09-11 17:59:33	gromit	thetitanium: yeah but which kernel version are you using? (output of uname -r)
2024-09-11 17:59:49	thetitanium	6.10.9-arch1-1
2024-09-11 18:00:36	gromit	Hmm .. I was asking because there was a bug with 6.10.8: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/linux/-/issues/76
2024-09-11 18:00:37	phrik	Title: [6.10.8] No audio after upgrading kernel from 6.10.7 to 6.10.8 (#76) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / linux · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-09-11 18:00:40	thetitanium	also the issue appeared seamingly out of nowhere, everything was working fine until it doesn't
2024-09-11 18:01:00	gromit	thetitanium: Did you double (triple) check the hardware? 
2024-09-11 18:01:11	thetitanium	wait a sec
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2024-09-11 18:03:12	thetitanium	gromit: yeah, absolutely
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2024-09-11 18:05:57	thetitanium	okay, i am going to upgrade the kernel to "linux-6.10.9.arch1-2", wish me luck
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2024-09-11 18:09:00	thetitanium	aight reboot
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2024-09-11 18:11:31	thetitanium	that didn't help unfortunately
2024-09-11 18:11:59	Namarrgon	Do you have the lts kernel installed?
2024-09-11 18:12:08	thetitanium	no?
2024-09-11 18:12:33	thetitanium	how to check?
2024-09-11 18:12:43	Namarrgon	pacman -Q linux-lts
2024-09-11 18:12:57	thetitanium	no
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2024-09-11 18:16:28	ℹ 	SubWorx es conocido ahora como Sub|gone
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2024-09-11 18:17:32	thetitanium	so i ran "alsactl clean", "alsactl init" bacause why not, and it magically solved my problem
2024-09-11 18:17:50	thetitanium	i <3 arch linux
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2024-09-11 18:54:12	ana_briated	something like a https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/sync/struct.OnceLock.html
2024-09-11 18:54:14	phrik	Title: OnceLock in std::sync - Rust (at doc.rust-lang.org)
2024-09-11 18:54:21	ana_briated	this is in fact absoultely the wrong channel
2024-09-11 18:54:35	ℹ 	hashwork- es conocido ahora como hashworks
2024-09-11 18:54:52	ℹ 	hashworks es conocido ahora como hashwork-_
2024-09-11 18:55:33	ℹ 	hashwork-_ es conocido ahora como hashworks
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2024-09-11 19:03:51	CalimeroTeknik	is there a way that I can --really-ignore a package with pacman?
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2024-09-11 19:05:19	CalimeroTeknik	example use case: I have `IgnorePkg = sudo`, and I really want to BREAK the dependency tree HARD, I know what I'm doing, even if base-devel is pulling it, I don't want pacman to ask questions about it
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2024-09-11 19:05:54	Namarrgon	Create a dummy package that provides sudo.
2024-09-11 19:06:06	CalimeroTeknik	why not indeed, thanks
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2024-09-11 20:11:33	ℹ 	chikuwasuka1 es conocido ahora como chikuwasuka
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2024-09-11 22:30:57	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-11 22:30:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-12 15:06:02	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1395 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1394 regular)
2024-09-12 12:47:18	MrElendig	hope you enjoy not being able to scan if you are out of ink ^_^
2024-09-12 12:47:38	MrElendig	anyway hp-scan should work
2024-09-12 12:48:39	siak	It does not.
2024-09-12 12:48:48	siak	No app detects scanner
2024-09-12 12:49:27	siak	error: Failed to get the source from device.
2024-09-12 12:49:27	siak	From hp-scan
2024-09-12 12:49:32	MrElendig	network or usb?
2024-09-12 12:49:36	siak	USB
2024-09-12 12:51:56	MrElendig	uname -r; pacman -Q linux
2024-09-12 12:55:03	Ena0	Hello, how do I replace sddm with greetd? I installed it and also the 'gtkgreet' theme but upon logging in I get a bunch of KDE errors. I set this as the command in the greetd config: /usr/lib/plasma-dbus-run-session-if-needed /usr/bin/startplasma-wayland
2024-09-12 12:55:10	siak	6.10.9-arch1-1
2024-09-12 12:55:10	siak	linux 6.10.9.arch1-1
2024-09-12 12:55:28	MrElendig	hplio installed and hpaio listed in sane?
2024-09-12 12:55:34	MrElendig	hplip*
2024-09-12 12:55:40	MrElendig	also, memeber of the scanner group?
2024-09-12 12:56:56	Ena0	And obviously I've enabled the service since it wouldn't even show up on boot in the first place. What am I missing?
2024-09-12 12:57:00	Ena0	I have all updates installed
2024-09-12 12:57:26	MrElendig	!errors
2024-09-12 12:57:27	phrik	Don't just say it doesn't work. Give the exact error. If there is more information than a line or two, see !paste
2024-09-12 12:57:54	MrElendig	sidenote: I find gdm to be the only actually reliable dm
2024-09-12 12:58:05	Ena0	MrElendig: All KDE applications throw errors (error box appears) but the background is all black
2024-09-12 12:58:11	siak	Where should it be listed?
2024-09-12 12:58:30	Ena0	I've probably made some mistake in setting this up?
2024-09-12 12:59:32	carpenter	MrElendig, Elendig means miserable in german right?
2024-09-12 12:59:41	MrElendig	scanimage -A iirc
2024-09-12 12:59:51	MrElendig	also, what does -L say about the scanner?
2024-09-12 13:00:01	Ena0	I think it's related to this line /usr/lib/plasma-dbus-run-session-if-needed /usr/bin/startplasma-wayland. This starts my wayland session but even when i disable sddm on boot and manually type that in on reboot my wifi won't connect unless I type in the root password into KDE wallet.
2024-09-12 13:00:50	MrElendig	Ena0: networkmanager? if so make sure the profile is set to be available for all users
2024-09-12 13:00:54	Ena0	(the kde wallet message box pops up prompting me for a password) this doens't happen when I type in my password into sddm
2024-09-12 13:01:36	Ena0	MrElendig: I also set my username in the greetd config file the default is 'guest' but changed it to my username.
2024-09-12 13:01:55	MrElendig	siak: you could try SANE_USB_WORKAROUND=1 too
2024-09-12 13:02:17	siak	❯ scanimage -L
2024-09-12 13:02:17	siak	device `v4l:/dev/video0' is a Noname Cam Mouse: Cam Mouse virtual device
2024-09-12 13:02:18	MrElendig	some old scanners are picky about the usb port too
2024-09-12 13:02:31	MrElendig	e.g. will only work with usb 2.0
2024-09-12 13:02:36	Ena0	MrElendig: But this message box pops up after I log in with my username and execute /usr/lib/plasma-dbus-run-session-if-needed /usr/bin/startplasma-wayland. SO why would networkmanager use a differnt username than the one I'm logged in?
2024-09-12 13:03:16	siak	Does not detect scanner. 
2024-09-12 13:03:40	MrElendig	you could try connecting over network instead of usb too if it supports it
2024-09-12 13:04:37	siak	Does not. Have to boot to Windows.
2024-09-12 13:05:28	MrElendig	and have you run hp-setup?
2024-09-12 13:06:07	⚡ 	MrElendig goes for a run
2024-09-12 15:06:03	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-12 15:26:37	siak	So I had to do the scan in Windows
2024-09-12 15:26:39	siak	One of my startup apps is run twice it seems
2024-09-12 15:26:41	siak	Two instances of it open
2024-09-12 15:27:22	Betal	so Windows can scan archlinux startup now?
2024-09-12 15:27:43	siak	Two different matters
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2024-09-12 15:28:26	amazo	hi
2024-09-12 15:28:33	siak	My scanner was not detected in Linux so I had to boot into Windows unfortunately.
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2024-09-12 16:22:39	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-12 16:22:39	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1403 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1402 regular)
2024-09-12 16:23:07	kocsi	if I have non-latin language characters show up as unicode blocks in firefox, do I need to just edit /etc/locale.gen to uncomment the relevant locale and then run locale-gen?
2024-09-12 16:22:39	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-12 16:23:42	teraflops	kocsi: most likely you are missing fonts to render such chars
2024-09-12 16:23:48	teraflops	!alltheunicodes
2024-09-12 16:23:50	phrik	adobe-source-* otf-fira-{mono,sans} ttf-{dejavu,droid,indic-otf,liberation,symbola} otf-ipafont noto-fonts (more or less.)
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2024-09-12 16:26:49	MrElendig	kocsi: any utf8 locale will work (unless the website is from 1995)
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2024-09-12 16:35:09	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-12 16:36:29	kocsi	it's gmail (corporate) in firefox. how can I tell what it's missing?
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2024-09-12 16:37:22	teraflops	install a set of fonts that cover more or less all the unicodes
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2024-09-12 16:37:54	Pikk3wyn	kocsi: you can view the values of the missing chars
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2024-09-12 16:38:36	Pikk3wyn	then convert to unicode standard U+E12345 whatever
2024-09-12 16:39:07	Pikk3wyn	and find a font that includes that in the char range 
2024-09-12 16:39:33	teraflops	kocsi: I gave you the fonts above
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2024-09-12 16:44:38	kocsi	thanks folks
2024-09-12 16:44:46	kocsi	got all of them except for adobe-source-*
2024-09-12 16:45:03	teraflops	do they render ok now?
2024-09-12 16:45:07	kocsi	yep!
2024-09-12 16:45:11	teraflops	;)
2024-09-12 16:45:15	kocsi	didn't even have to restart the browser
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2024-09-12 17:02:03	gehidore	Edu4rdSHL can I ping you by message?
2024-09-12 17:02:21	dav1d	Need a quick sanity check, if I wanna update my nftables rules I just need to edit /etc/nftables.conf right?
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2024-09-12 17:04:04	dav1d	Maybe I just don't change it, don't feel like messing it up if my only way to get on that box is via network
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2024-09-12 17:11:51	Pikk3wyn	dav1d: something like firewalld can be useful
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2024-09-12 17:18:30	gehidore	Edu4rdSHL actually I'll take it to the comment section
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2024-09-12 17:23:19	alwyn	Is it a good idea to have the stock kernel and lts installed besides zen or overkill?
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2024-09-12 17:28:37	alwyn	eh worries for later
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2024-09-12 17:32:17	Pikk3wyn	might as well have
2024-09-12 17:32:30	Pikk3wyn	then if one  or zen+normal reak u got lts
2024-09-12 17:32:38	Pikk3wyn	break*
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2024-09-12 17:38:44	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-12 17:38:47	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-12 18:03:34	ℹ 	mxz_ es conocido ahora como mxz
2024-09-12 18:03:34	ℹ 	jb3_ es conocido ahora como jb3
2024-09-12 18:03:34	ℹ 	Samus es conocido ahora como Metroid
2024-09-12 18:03:34	ℹ 	epic_ es conocido ahora como epic
2024-09-12 18:03:34	ℹ 	SurfBlueCrab_ es conocido ahora como SurfBlueCrab
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2024-09-12 18:03:35	ℹ 	baltazaar es conocido ahora como baltazar
2024-09-12 18:03:35	ℹ 	ptr13378 es conocido ahora como ptr1337
2024-09-12 18:03:35	ℹ 	MogDog es conocido ahora como Mog
2024-09-12 18:03:36	ℹ 	ynakao_ es conocido ahora como ynakao
2024-09-12 18:03:37	ℹ 	retr0id3 es conocido ahora como retr0id
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2024-09-12 18:17:10	ℹ 	acn es conocido ahora como AntiComposite
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2024-09-12 18:56:45	kocsi	I haven't had this much fun just sitting at my computer since the time I have discovered the internet in the mid 90s
2024-09-12 18:56:47	kocsi	that I recall
2024-09-12 18:56:50	kocsi	thanks archobama
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2024-09-12 19:06:26	gehidore	wut
2024-09-12 19:06:48	gehidore	teraflops I'm updating my quit message just for you
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2024-09-12 19:07:07	teraflops	haha why?
2024-09-12 19:07:15	gehidore	* teraflops hates when people close the irc client instead doing /quit
2024-09-12 19:07:20	teraflops	ah
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2024-09-12 19:07:39	teraflops	lol
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2024-09-12 19:11:46	xulfer	I just /quit and came back
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2024-09-12 19:28:14	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-12 19:28:14	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1401 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1400 regular)
2024-09-12 19:28:16	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-12 19:35:38	printfdebugging	Hi, I have been complaining about display server crashing because of the iGPU on my 7950x crashing. I updated the bios, and turns out that the last bios was about an year and half old. No crashes so far (6 hours)
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2024-09-12 19:39:33	ℹ 	heat_ es conocido ahora como heat
2024-09-12 19:39:37	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2024-09-12 19:40:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-12 19:40:12	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1400 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1399 regular)
2024-09-12 19:40:12	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-12 19:44:39	bluetail	as in xorg or wayland?
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2024-09-12 19:47:22	printfdebugging	xorg
2024-09-12 19:47:31	printfdebugging	awesomewm, dwm kde (all were crashing before)
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2024-09-12 19:49:53	bluetail	it's an interesting case as I did barely use iGPU at all
2024-09-12 19:50:56	bluetail	printfdebugging I think AM5 has/had some instabilities ...
2024-09-12 19:51:53	teraflops	huh I have to use mesa-git for the radeon 780m to behave properly
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2024-09-12 19:54:43	printfdebugging	I use it because I have 2 hdmi monitors (1080p 24 in), and I run one from the cpu one from GPU
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2024-09-12 19:55:31	printfdebugging	But It seems to be fixed now. When I started using the iGPU for the first time after bios update, it did freeze once or twice, but it never crashed, it took a second or 2 and then restored to normal functioning.
2024-09-12 19:55:36	ℹ 	andyrtr_ es conocido ahora como andyrtr
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2024-09-12 19:59:21	⚡ 	Erus_Iluvatar bets on something to do with the memory controller, since the iGPU uses RAM as video memory
2024-09-12 20:01:13	printfdebugging	Yeah, I also set it to manual (8gb)
2024-09-12 20:01:25	printfdebugging	but doing so before the bios update didn't improve things
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2024-09-12 20:05:10	lmat	I have two oneshot systemd services. How do I make it so that when I execute service A, service B executes afterward? I tried changing a.service by adding Before=B.service and WantedBy=B.service, but B still doesn't run after A automatically.
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2024-09-12 20:18:36	teraflops	lmat: did you try this? https://paste.priet.us/j9ga/
2024-09-12 20:18:58	lmat	teraflops: Thank you, I'll give it a go!
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2024-09-12 20:19:16	teraflops	if it does not work you can always: ExecStartPost=/bin/systemctl start service2.service
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2024-09-12 20:25:54	lmat	teraflops: That appears to run both services at the same time. (My services are running a bash script that does sleep 2; for testing.)
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2024-09-12 20:28:47	teraflops	if you sleep 2 on service 1 and then start service 2 it might give the impression both services start at the same time
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2024-09-12 20:29:40	lmat	teraflops: Yeah. I have   echo "starting A" >> a.log; sleep 2; echo "finished A" >> a.log;  (and similar in b). Then I   tail -f *.log; (and systemd --user --follow;) and systemd is not waiting for A to finish before starting B.
2024-09-12 20:30:08	teraflops	you are telling when to start not when to finish
2024-09-12 20:30:30	lmat	teraflops: In the manual, it doesn't say "delay until foo.service has finished" but rather "delay until foo.service as started".
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2024-09-12 20:31:15	lmat	teraflops: Yes. These are resource-intensive processes. Can I get them to run one after another?
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2024-09-12 20:32:27	teraflops	lmat: after, After=first.service
2024-09-12 20:32:47	lmat	teraflops: I think that only gets them to START one after another. I need the first one to finish before starting the second.
2024-09-12 20:33:19	HawkinsTheWizard	after the .target?
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2024-09-12 20:36:22	lmat	HawkinsTheWizard: Sorry, which ".target"?
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2024-09-12 20:37:40	teraflops	lmat: maybe you do not want 2 services that launch 2 scripts but 1 service that launch one script that implements both
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2024-09-12 20:38:22	HawkinsTheWizard	sorry I jumped into chat in the middle. but as I see the systemd Before/After there is also for some services .target the I think means its done
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2024-09-12 20:43:44	teraflops	lmat: or (idk) ExecStart= foo && bar
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2024-09-12 20:45:09	Warepire	If the service is oneshot type, you can use "unlimited" ExecStart lines in the service file.
2024-09-12 20:45:54	lmat	teraflops: I definitely want the second one to start even if the first fails.
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2024-09-12 20:46:08	lmat	Warepire: So multiple ExecStart lines? And they'll run at the same time?
2024-09-12 20:46:23	teraflops	yes
2024-09-12 20:46:28	Warepire	One after the other, you can prefix your command with - to say "I don't care if it fails"
2024-09-12 20:46:39	Warepire	ExecStart=-<my command here>
2024-09-12 20:47:00	lmat	Warepire: Okay, I'll give it a go!
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2024-09-12 20:47:34	Warepire	See here for details: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd.service.html
2024-09-12 20:47:35	phrik	Title: systemd.service (at www.freedesktop.org)
2024-09-12 20:48:02	teraflops	but it won't wait service 1 to end before starting service 2
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2024-09-12 20:49:34	lmat	teraflops: Ah, so the same as After=? Systemd only waits for service A to start (not finish) before running service B?
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2024-09-12 20:49:51	teraflops	the only way I see is &&
2024-09-12 20:50:09	lmat	teraflops: But I want the second one to run even if the first fails ;-)
2024-09-12 20:50:11	ElGatoPanzon	I'm trying to figure out why my hibernation isn't working out. I'm using the LTS kernel, and the system does not successfully hibernate. It shows the black screen with the flashing "_", then the system turns the screens off, but then the PC doesn't turn off, and then the USB devices get turned on again and it stays there indefinetly. When I force power off, it does not resume. I have
2024-09-12 20:50:13	ElGatoPanzon	"resume=UUID=a86593a0-f22e-46e9-869e-ee47fea09514" in my boot entry
2024-09-12 20:51:20	_Zeta	ElGatoPanzon: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management_(Espa%C3%B1ol)/Suspend_and_hibernate_(Espa%C3%B1ol)
2024-09-12 20:51:21	phrik	Title: Power management (Español)/Suspend and hibernate (Español) - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-12 20:51:39	teraflops	int resume_offset what you want?
2024-09-12 20:51:43	teraflops	isnt
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2024-09-12 20:52:04	teraflops	that is at least what I have in my cmdlie
2024-09-12 20:52:07	teraflops	cmdlline
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2024-09-12 20:52:41	teraflops	I have this: resume=/dev/nvme0n1p5 resume_offset=35536896
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2024-09-12 20:55:17	Erus_Iluvatar	ElGatoPanzon: are you using a swap partition or a swap file? 
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2024-09-12 20:57:32	teraflops	lmat: I wonder if (command1; command2) would work (note the parenthesis)
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2024-09-12 21:04:05	ElGatoPanzon	Erus_Iluvatar: swap partition
2024-09-12 21:04:25	teraflops	ElGatoPanzon: did you add resume to mkinicpio.conf?
2024-09-12 21:04:37	ElGatoPanzon	teraflops: resume_offset is for a swap file I think
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2024-09-12 21:04:45	teraflops	yeah
2024-09-12 21:04:49	ElGatoPanzon	And yes I did, and rebuilt the initramfs after
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2024-09-12 21:05:21	teraflops	how big is the swap partition?
2024-09-12 21:05:28	ElGatoPanzon	50gb
2024-09-12 21:05:38	ElGatoPanzon	And I have 2 on 2 different disks
2024-09-12 21:06:19	Erus_Iluvatar	can you paste us the journal for a boot where hibernation failed? 
2024-09-12 21:06:21	Erus_Iluvatar	!paste
2024-09-12 21:06:21	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-09-12 21:08:26	ElGatoPanzon	Erus_Iluvatar: yea, https://0x0.st/s/qf-FUb98m2TRzX1LYIRTZg/XxyF.txt
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2024-09-12 21:09:51	bmc77	does anyone here have timeshift running on a non-GRUB bootloader?
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2024-09-12 21:16:39	Erus_Iluvatar	ElGatoPanzon: I guess that's the boot after a failed attempt at hibernation, can you paste the journal for the boot previous to that, where the hibernation was attempted? 
2024-09-12 21:21:09	ElGatoPanzon	Erus_Iluvatar: seems like I don't have persistent journal enabled. Though I just a test, removed the resume line. According to the docs, that leavs it up to the system and puts it in an EFI var which is picked up next boot. And sure enough, even though the PC didn't turn off, forcing it off and on had it resume from hibernation this time around. So I may have fixed it. Just need to figure out
2024-09-12 21:21:11	ElGatoPanzon	why it won't turn itself off
2024-09-12 21:21:16	ElGatoPanzon	Maybe it's a BIOS setting
2024-09-12 21:23:16	Erus_Iluvatar	ElGatoPanzon: neat, have a look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate#System_does_not_power_off_when_hibernating for that last issue
2024-09-12 21:23:18	phrik	Title: Power management/Suspend and hibernate - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-12 21:23:48	ElGatoPanzon	Erus_Iluvatar: I actually tried that, but didn't seem to do it. Let me double check I did that right
2024-09-12 21:24:07	ElGatoPanzon	That means if hibernate works now I might see an error in dmesg about shutdown failure
2024-09-12 21:24:36	Erus_Iluvatar	that, or just nvidia being a pain, I've had the issue on the lts kernel recently while the regular one worked
2024-09-12 21:24:53	ElGatoPanzon	Oh, nvidia. I did read something about that
2024-09-12 21:25:37	Erus_Iluvatar	I was stumped at first, since I had finally gotten hibernation to work on this laptop that I knew was flaky from the begining, and managed to isolate it to an nvidia update and running the lts kernel
2024-09-12 21:26:47	ElGatoPanzon	I can see in the journal now sleep hook working: Sep 12 13:17:04 cerberus systemd-sleep[4037]: Restarting OpenVPN...
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2024-09-12 21:30:45	lmat	teraflops: It looks like the scheduling mechanism worked as I wanted: one ran after another if I set it up like this: https://paste.rs/U9rEV
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2024-09-12 21:31:59	lmat	teraflops: I think this is what you had, but I added Type=oneshot 
2024-09-12 21:32:16	teraflops	glad you got it working
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2024-09-12 21:40:26	ElGatoPanzon	Erus_Iluvatar: fixed! Now it turns off after a successful hibernation. Thanks a ton
2024-09-12 21:40:57	Erus_Iluvatar	glad I could help :)
2024-09-12 21:41:12	gehidore	am I right in that one can't create a user target via service file tied to system target that invokes `systemctl 00machine=%i@ start --wait usertarget.target` and then with user units add "WantedBy=usertarget.target" you've got to edit usertarget.target and add Wants=servicename.service or am I missing something stupid obvious? https://garajau.com.br/2022/08/systemd-suspend-user-level << trying
2024-09-12 21:41:13	phrik	Title: Using systemd user units to react to sleep/suspend | Daniel Garajau (at garajau.com.br)
2024-09-12 21:41:14	gehidore	to do this essentially
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2024-09-12 21:41:24	gehidore	my search engine foo has been exhausted
2024-09-12 21:41:31	ElGatoPanzon	My UPS can only hold my PC while sleeping for 55 mins, and lately there's big outages up to 5-6 hours since one of the sub stations exploded
2024-09-12 21:41:38	gehidore	it works right now, I'm annoyed I have to edit the target and can't edit the user service
2024-09-12 21:41:43	ElGatoPanzon	Now it can hibernate and sleep forever
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2024-09-12 21:47:00	gehidore	ElGatoPanzon time to setup `nut` and monitor the power and hibernate at the last possible second
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2024-09-12 22:37:34	ElGatoPanzon	gehidore: I assume that needs my UPS connected by usb?
2024-09-12 22:37:43	gehidore	yeah
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2024-09-12 22:49:39	ignucio	Hi everyone! I'm having an issue with sftp on openssh. If I specify Subsystem sftp /path/to/sftp-server it works fine. But if I try to use Subsystem sftp internal-sftp it doesn't work. I am mantaining multiple distros through ansible, and it only seems to fail on Archlinux servers, which have stfp-server on /lib/openssh rather than /usr/lib/openssh, that's why I want to use internal-sftp, to
2024-09-12 22:49:39	ignucio	mantain a single sshd_config which I copy to all the servers. 
2024-09-12 22:49:39	ignucio	How could I debug why internal-sftp refuses to work on arch systems?
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2024-09-12 22:56:16	Namarrgon	ignucio: Arch's 'sftp-server' is in /usr/lib/ssh/sftp-server.
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2024-09-12 22:57:48	Namarrgon	What errors do you get when you set 'internal-sftp'?
2024-09-12 22:58:28	ignucio	My bad, I was looking for 'openssh' rather than 'ssh', although now internal-sftp seems to work now. I was getting 'subsystem request for sftp by user nacho failed, subsystem not found', but after enabling DEBUG3 on openssh and restarting now it works, maybe I had a bad config loaded before restarting sshd, not sure.
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2024-09-12 23:05:39	Namarrgon	"openssh /var/empty/" Is that a new feature?
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2024-09-12 23:06:12	Namarrgon	ah, no, just the "default" chroot path
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2024-09-12 23:42:09	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-12 23:56:38	topcat001	ElGatoPanzon I use nut and it's great. I have a raspberry zero acting as the nut server with multiple clients
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2024-09-13 11:23:31	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-13 00:17:58	ElGatoPanzon	topcat001: ah do all the clients shut down then when the server says so? 
2024-09-13 01:53:18	topcat001	ElGatoPanzon: yes, and the pi consumes very little power.
2024-09-13 02:26:04	gehidore	I need to reconfigure nut on this server, the USB cable got damaged so I had deleted everything to get rid of the log spam 
2024-09-13 02:26:14	gehidore	The pi zero makes sense
2024-09-13 02:29:05	gehidore	I found out I had setup one as an amtterm console on the network where my server is and misplaced those files in my brain for everything from where it was located to IP to the password apparently having not configured ssh keys yet 
2024-09-13 03:54:36	humanbob	hyprland-gt showing wallaper but not the hyprland package?
2024-09-13 07:50:25	tatsumaru	hello, sometimes when I interrupt a terminal operation with Ctrl + C, and then try to repeat it with `up arrow` the up key generates these instead of commands `^[[A^[[A^[[B^[[B`. Any idea what am I doing wrong?
2024-09-13 07:55:38	mkoskar	tatsumaru: repeat what?
2024-09-13 07:55:53	tatsumaru	mkoskar: the previous command
2024-09-13 07:56:47	mkoskar	and have the previous terminated with ^C? do you get new prompt?
2024-09-13 07:57:59	tatsumaru	not sure what you mean. just imagine I run `npm run` then stop it with ctrl + c, then try to get it instead of typing it again with `up arrow` and instead of `npm run` i get the escape symbols
2024-09-13 07:59:16	mkoskar	I mean if your shell prompt appears again, sometimes ^C won't stop process immediately ... seems like problem with your shell tho
2024-09-13 07:59:32	mkoskar	(have to run/drive)
2024-09-13 08:11:05	topcat001	type `reset`
2024-09-13 08:14:00	tatsumaru	hmm, interesting thanks. any clue what's causing the issue?
2024-09-13 09:05:42	Dieterbe	i'm trying to figure out why i need pipewire-pulse if i have pipewire installed and working. it seems many apps are 'somehow' able to talk to pipewire and integrate with it. E.g. youtube-music-desktop which is an electron app, shows up in pwvucontrol, i can change output device to whatever device i want, and it works
2024-09-13 09:06:51	Dieterbe	however, when i use google meet inside firefox, i'm not able to choose input or output device. it just says 'jack' input, and  'system default speakers' for output (which is always my laptop speakers, even when i'm wearing my bluetooth headset which is connected, that's annoying)
2024-09-13 09:07:43	Dieterbe	i'm trying to avoid pipewire-pulse because i've had audio corruption issues, they were very frustrating, and it stopped when i removed pipewire-pulse
2024-09-13 09:08:43	Dieterbe	so if i can just use google meet (and other meeting apps) in my browser and the audio gets routed correctly, i'll be happy. i don't understand why that requires pulse for firefox and not for electron
2024-09-13 09:16:56	rcf	Dieterbe: it’s the applications themselves that use the pulse interface instead of native pipewire. 
2024-09-13 09:17:24	rcf	They’d need to be updated to support it.
2024-09-13 09:32:40	Dieterbe	rcf: thank you. so what does firefox use then? maybe jack or alsa?
2024-09-13 09:33:28	rcf	It is supposed to use pulse. They might also support Jack. ALSA is deprecated.
2024-09-13 09:34:13	Dieterbe	since firefox called the input 'jack' it looks like it supports jack, and therefore i should be able to route it however i like (with pure pipewire, since it implements jack). or perhaps this is just poor naming and it's just an alsa interface called 'jack' or something
2024-09-13 09:38:37	rcf	It should be Jack 
2024-09-13 09:54:48	Dieterbe	so in that case, i should be able to use all of pipewire's routing capabilities, no ? when i launch google meet in firefox, it doens't show the playback and recording streams in pwvucontrol
2024-09-13 09:55:43	Dieterbe	it does show up in helvum however, but rewiring the streams (e.g. rerouting the firefox output to my bluetooth headphones) doesn't actually change anything, sound still comes through the speakers
2024-09-13 10:02:48	ponies	so there are two things? 1. your bluetooth 2. no ff in pavucontrol?
2024-09-13 10:03:02	Dieterbe	also strange is that when i launch a meeting in firefox, in helvum it shows lines from both my onboard mic as well as my headset mic to firefox meet (which has like 8 different nodes)
2024-09-13 10:03:18	Dieterbe	note: i use pwvucontrol, not pavucontrol. the latter only works with pipewire-pulse, i believe
2024-09-13 10:03:53	ponies	right missed that
2024-09-13 10:05:34	ponies	i suppose you can do this all with pw-link 
2024-09-13 10:06:08	ponies	sorry i dont use hellvum 
2024-09-13 10:06:40	randomusr	if I need a shared ap/hotspot , is it advised to use gui tools, such as network manager. or the nmcli?  and should I move the adapter to unmanaged?
2024-09-13 10:07:21	ponies	ofc pipewire is meant to be run as a user service it may be worthwile posting whatever logs 
2024-09-13 10:09:02	Dieterbe	ponies: pipewire logs -> https://bpa.st/5AUHU
2024-09-13 10:09:04	ponies	nmcli is networkmanager jsyk 
2024-09-13 10:09:06	phrik	Title: View paste 5AUHU (at bpa.st)
2024-09-13 10:09:43	ponies	!give randomusr aw hotspot 
2024-09-13 10:09:45	phrik	randomusr: Hotspot - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Hotspot
2024-09-13 10:13:44	randomusr	is it required to use hostapd and iw when setting up a hostspot? Those are the tools shown in the article for software access point.
2024-09-13 10:18:16	ponies	network manager can use wpa_supplicant. but that is legacy 
2024-09-13 10:18:37	ponies	iwd is a optional dependecy
2024-09-13 10:18:51	Warepire	iwd != iw
2024-09-13 10:19:09	ponies	yeah but i think he meant iwd 
2024-09-13 10:25:57	Dieterbe	ponies, rcf i found another program, qpwgraph which confirms that indeed FF uses jack. but then i use qjackctl, which is a known program for managing jack connections, and it doesn't show my firefox meeting at all :'[ - i will try to use pw-link although i suppose it'll have the same issue as helvum
2024-09-13 10:28:46	zarac	o/
2024-09-13 10:30:20	zarac	Dieterbe: my fav is Helvum : ) .. sometimes a restart of browser is needed after first load (maybe it's when i'm quick after system is started)
2024-09-13 10:30:31	zarac	Dieterbe: you use pipewire ?
2024-09-13 10:32:11	Erus_Iluvatar	Dieterbe: firefox depends on libpulse, afaik they don't support pipewire directly
2024-09-13 10:33:35	ponies	tada! install pipewire-pulse
2024-09-13 10:34:26	Erus_Iluvatar	our PKGBUILD enables support for raw alsa and jack (https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/firefox/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads#L144), but that's probably less tested than their official suggestion (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/fix-common-audio-and-video-issues#w_you-may-need-to-install-the-required-pulseaudio-software
2024-09-13 10:34:27	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / firefox · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-09-13 10:35:46	Erus_Iluvatar	you may want to try with pipewire-alsa if the jack emulation of pipewire does not handle what you want it to do
2024-09-13 10:42:40	kode54	when did this become a problem?
2024-09-13 10:42:47	kode54	just for my own curiosity
2024-09-13 10:56:06	Erus_Iluvatar	kode54: from what I understand of their initial question, they willingly removed pipewire-pulse because they had audio corruption issues on firefox with it
2024-09-13 10:56:16	kode54	oh
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2024-09-13 12:12:32	teraflops	regarding hotspot there is aur/linux-wifi-hotspot which ships with a very convenient GUI
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2024-09-13 13:16:38	Dieterbe	Erus_Iluvatar: kode54: yeah, the audio curruption issues wasn't just firefox. it was with everything. it was unbearable. there's a discussion thread about it here https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=289621
2024-09-13 13:16:39	phrik	Title: extreme stuttering/brokenness with pipewire and pipewire-pulse / Multimedia and Games / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-13 13:19:48	Erus_Iluvatar	alternatively, ditch pipewire and just use pulseaudio :P
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2024-09-13 14:38:30	MacGyver	Let alone used it long enough to see it cause problematic memory leaks in Xorg.
2024-09-13 14:39:36	MacGyver	I'd suggest using chromium for a day (specifically chromium to get as far away from *fox, just in case it's a problem in firefox as well) and see whether you still see the same Xorg memory use.
2024-09-13 14:40:15	arch-angel	hmm sure
2024-09-13 14:42:14	MacGyver	Similarly, use zathura instead of okular for a day; use urxvt or termite's fork or alacritty instead of st for a day; don't listen to music for a day; and the most painful one, use vim instead of emacs for a day.
2024-09-13 14:43:37	MacGyver	If none of those fix it, then it's either a different application or a problem in Xorg proper.
2024-09-13 14:52:12	wunit	arch-angel: which WM are you using? I would expect something long-running that can keep Xorg resources bound over a longer time
2024-09-13 14:52:20	arch-angel	wunit, i3-wm
2024-09-13 14:53:25	wunit	also, restarting an application should free up any Xorg-related resources (AFAIK they are bound to the client connection), but not sure if you've already tried that
2024-09-13 14:54:59	wunit	(any Xorg-related resources for that application)
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2024-09-13 15:03:41	arch-angel	well I kill every single process other than Xorg and the memory does not get freed up
2024-09-13 15:03:47	arch-angel	that's what makes it weirder
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2024-09-13 15:22:03	phrik	rascasse: Welcome to #archlinux, tell us how you deleted your precious data today.
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2024-09-13 15:43:15	arch-angel	yeah I think I've pinpointed the problem, it's with waterfox
2024-09-13 15:43:39	arch-angel	using chromium gives me no problem
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2024-09-13 15:44:50	gregbert	I just rebooted, and my zfs pool is not mounting and zfs doesnt seem to remember that I ever had a pool (no datasets available). All the drives appear to be fine with smartd. Does anybody have anything I should try?
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2024-09-13 15:45:13	jelle	gregbert: did you rebuild the out of tree zfs module?
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2024-09-13 15:46:11	gregbert	jelle: i have not rebuilt anything. i may have done a pacman -Syu since then, but my kernel is on stable, and i did not update zfs
2024-09-13 15:46:24	jelle	gregbert: and the zfs module is dkms?
2024-09-13 15:46:40	jelle	kernel being on stable doesn't matter, zfs is unstable :)
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2024-09-13 15:47:37	gregbert	i could try updating zfs, but i didnt want to introduce a new factor into the equation.
2024-09-13 15:47:53	jelle	gregbert: what zfs package do you use, can you load the module?
2024-09-13 15:47:53	gregbert	currently 2.2.4-1
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2024-09-13 15:48:57	gregbert	zpool list and zfs list say no datasets / pools
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2024-09-13 15:49:29	jelle	I mean lsmod | grep zfs
2024-09-13 15:49:30	gregbert	joruanctl: Import ZFS pools by cache file was skipped because of an unmet condition check (ConditionPathIsDirectory=/sys/module/zfs)
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2024-09-13 15:49:39	jelle	yes so it can't be loaded
2024-09-13 15:49:45	jelle	how did you run zfs succesfully before
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2024-09-13 15:50:23	gregbert	systemd modules.. nothing changed.  so lsmod | grep zfs lists zfs and spl lines
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2024-09-13 17:13:51	kocsi	X is eating my CPU for some reason. How can I check how and why? https://0x0.st/Xxg7.png
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2024-09-13 17:16:11	jelle	hmm X still running as root :o
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2024-09-13 17:18:05	kocsi	didn't even notice. why would it do that?
2024-09-13 17:18:12	mkoskar	kocsi: I would probably be closing apps one by one looking at when it drops
2024-09-13 17:18:58	jelle	it's probably zoom
2024-09-13 17:18:59	mkoskar	ye, most ppl run xorg as the user and not root, but for some gpus (nvidia still?) running as root is required iirc
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2024-09-13 17:19:11	jelle	it should not imo
2024-09-13 17:19:18	jelle	kocsi: depends on what DM you use and how you start X
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2024-09-13 17:21:49	kocsi	I've closed zoom, but it's still pretty high cpu usage, popping back and forth between 30-70% instead of maxing it out though
2024-09-13 17:22:27	kocsi	ok, looks like it was slack
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2024-09-13 17:27:26	sunyibo	I'm installing on a laptop, it's connected to a repeater. "ip r" shows nothing. ping connects to internet. how can I give it an ip, so I can do the install from another machine?
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2024-09-13 17:29:14	jelle	ip r shows routes not your interface's ip address
2024-09-13 17:29:46	mpan	kocsi: for a wider picture: Xorg may have bugs, but more often it’s a different situation. Xorg is a server mostly acting on behalf of other programs. So usually it’s other programs causing the load. But then, again, you should not blindly assume the program is the direct culprit. Sometimes it may be the GUI toolkit or other library they use.
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2024-09-13 17:30:50	kocsi	well, it's hard to trust slack either way
2024-09-13 17:31:13	mpan	Sure, but just making that note if you spot a similar issue in other circumstances. A future guide to how track down the culprits. :)
2024-09-13 17:31:50	kocsi	would xrestop have helped?
2024-09-13 17:32:24	mkoskar	sometimes compositors like picom can cause havoc when misconfigured or with combination with some app
2024-09-13 17:32:56	mpan	This is also an explanation of why people pointed to your Xorg being run as root.
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2024-09-13 17:33:19	kocsi	how do I get away from running it as root? I'm not sure why it's running as root tbh
2024-09-13 17:33:29	jelle	kocsi: how do you start X
2024-09-13 17:33:56	kocsi	it.. uhh.. autostarts upon boot and then I get the lightdm login prompt?
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2024-09-13 17:33:58	mpan	kocsi: never used xrestop for that, but it’s one more way to peek into what’s happening. So it may help with debugging. As much as stracing/ltracing a suspect process may.
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2024-09-13 17:34:33	mkoskar	oh ye xrestop, I was searching for it, it never really helped me too much, dropped to aur
2024-09-13 17:36:03	mkoskar	kocsi: what is your DE/WM, do you run picom? or other transparency/visual effects thingy?
2024-09-13 17:36:28	kocsi	I use xfce4, no fancy stuff
2024-09-13 17:36:54	jelle	kocsi: do you have /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config ?
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2024-09-13 17:37:31	jelle	oh god https://github.com/canonical/lightdm/issues/18
2024-09-13 17:37:33	phrik	Title: Support non-root X · Issue #18 · canonical/lightdm · GitHub (at github.com)
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2024-09-13 17:39:36	Sapphirus	That's in large part why I abandoned lightdm for greetd.
2024-09-13 17:40:03	teraflops	kocsi: try giving a try to gdm or maybe sddm
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2024-09-13 17:40:43	kocsi	I've actually switched from sddm to lightdm, because I thought it was the culprit in some performance issues I was experiencing. but turns out may not have been related
2024-09-13 17:41:18	teraflops	what about gdm?
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2024-09-13 17:43:59	kocsi	I will try sddm again
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2024-09-13 17:45:07	kocsi	that doesn't sound evil
2024-09-13 17:47:00	mkoskar	kocsi: do you have this on or off? https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/wmtweaks#compositor
2024-09-13 17:47:01	phrik	Title: xfce:xfwm4:wmtweaks [Xfce Docs] (at docs.xfce.org)
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2024-09-13 17:48:41	kocsi	mkoskar, on, all set to opaque though
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2024-09-13 17:49:47	mkoskar	kocsi: try disabling it altogether and see if it helps with when you run slack
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2024-09-13 17:50:20	kocsi	mkoskar, will do. although slack has been running fine most of the time
2024-09-13 17:50:31	kocsi	I wanna tackle getting rid of lightdm next and switching to sddm
2024-09-13 17:50:36	kocsi	again
2024-09-13 17:51:18	mkoskar	ah ok, is it was one-off high cpu situation? oh well, then ignore it, unless it keeps happening often
2024-09-13 17:51:24	mkoskar	*so it
2024-09-13 17:51:49	mkoskar	*often enough to be annoying
2024-09-13 17:51:57	kocsi	yeah, it was one off. kinda. I had similar happen before, but then it turned out I ran out of RAM with zram and no actual swap lol
2024-09-13 17:52:40	teraflops	kocsi: you can always disable xfce's compositor and run anther one
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2024-09-13 18:01:04	jangho	hashworks: Hi, I want to let you know that the recent package bump of "minikube" seems incomplete. (_minikube_comnmit in PKGBUILD should be updated as well). 
2024-09-13 18:01:09	jangho	(I am not 100% sure this channel is the right place for reporting, but wanted to give a quick heads-up. Thanks.)
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2024-09-13 19:01:29	kocsi	okay, switched to sddm, but Xorg is still running as root
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2024-09-13 19:50:15	aljustiet	Is there any software for finding out the color gamut and screen brightness of the laptop's screen?
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2024-09-13 19:50:56	Edu4rdSHL	What is a gamut
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2024-09-13 19:51:32	aljustiet	Edu4rdSHL: range
2024-09-13 19:51:35	BrainDamage	you need hardware, not software
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2024-09-13 19:52:10	aljustiet	BrainDamage: Do you mean that it's not possible to measure the color gamut of the screen software solutions?
2024-09-13 19:52:13	BrainDamage	colord can manage the profiles, but unless yours is a well known device, you'll need to create a profie manualy
2024-09-13 19:52:16	aljustiet	using software solutions*
2024-09-13 19:52:17	BrainDamage	correct
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2024-09-13 19:52:55	gehidore	Edu4rdSHL that package was tested and working on native arm machine fwiw, left a comment on the package page
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2024-09-13 19:53:19	aljustiet	I can't not to agree with it :)
2024-09-13 19:54:12	aljustiet	BrainDamage: You're right my thinkpad's screen and external monitor's screen aren't recognized, when I run the colormgr get-divecs
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2024-09-13 19:54:17	aljustiet	get-devices*
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2024-09-13 19:55:13	Edu4rdSHL	gehidore, no idea why I didn't got the comment notification on my mail. So, it worked just fine? I mean, it will use the system's fpm if building on aarch64
2024-09-13 19:55:19	Edu4rdSHL	And thanks!
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2024-09-13 19:59:48	gehidore	works just fine with whatever fpm electron bundles
2024-09-13 20:00:01	gehidore	apparently with 6.2 and older it didn't but now it does
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2024-09-13 20:00:12	gehidore	oh shit here I'll pm you, sorry I thought I already had
2024-09-13 20:01:59	Edu4rdSHL	Np, all g
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2024-09-13 20:03:29	aljustiet	Is there an ICC profile reader?
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2024-09-13 20:14:40	BrainDamage	cd-iccdump ... in colord
2024-09-13 20:15:03	BrainDamage	which is 0 documented
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2024-09-13 20:33:03	ℹ 	Juesto es conocido ahora como Juest
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2024-09-13 20:37:41	teraflops	aljustiet: if the device is recognized on windows you can get the profile from there, assuming you do dual boot, details are in the wiki
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2024-09-13 20:39:46	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-13 20:39:46	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-13 20:42:25	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-13 23:10:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-13 23:14:29	kocsi	so to launch X not as root via sddm, I need to create a conf file and add what is mentioned here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/SDDM#Rootless
2024-09-13 23:14:31	phrik	Title: SDDM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-13 23:14:40	kocsi	but does this actually need me to create a user named x11-user?
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2024-09-13 23:19:21	kocsi	oh, it will run under my user
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2024-09-13 23:24:55	ℹ 	koalamaccer es conocido ahora como kocsi
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2024-09-13 23:25:56	kocsi	yeah, this did not work. X still ran as root and after I logged in with sddm, my screens just kept switching modes constantly
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2024-09-13 23:38:12	leonic	hi, I'm trying to get rid of all the extraneous languages in the font Noto by using white/blacklisting: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Font_configuration#Whitelisting_and_blacklisting_fonts
2024-09-13 23:38:13	phrik	Title: Font configuration - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-13 23:39:09	leonic	I'm using the combination of <selectfont>, <rejectfont>, and <acceptfont>, but it just gets rid of all the Noto font variants and whitelisting doesn't seem to work.
2024-09-13 23:39:54	leonic	I'm using the exact same config as in the arch wiki, except replacing the <glob> with /usr/share/fonts/noto/* and the <string> with Noto Sans
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2024-09-13 23:40:55	leonic	what am I doing wrong? https://i.imgur.com/XQSHjTl.png
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2024-09-14 00:37:59	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-14 14:14:16	agowa	Hi everyone. By change someone here that could help debug some display issues? For some reason a display that should be disabled is still being used by the system. Initially I thought it to be a kwin issue but it more and more looks like some kind of kernel issue. For reference: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=491556
2024-09-14 14:14:20	phrik	Title: 491556 – display configuration not working after update (at bugs.kde.org)
2024-09-14 14:14:49	rcf	agowa: the big question is, does it work under other DEs? Also, X or Wayland? 
2024-09-14 14:16:08	agowa	rcf: Wayland, Haven't tried other desktop managers, but the devs in the ticket appear to be quite certain that it's a kernel issue (as tools like wayland-info and kscreen-doctor both show the affected [the kvm] display being disabled despite it being used by the system as a 2nd screen)
2024-09-14 14:20:00	agowa	rcf: In parts that suspicion is probably also caused by it not just being "a 2nd screen" but also showing up as a 2nd /dev/dri/card? device - I think. Used drivers/modules are ast (for the on-board KVM) and nouveau (the GPU where my screen is attached to).
2024-09-14 14:20:25	rcf	Oh, it's one of those Optimus systems? 
2024-09-14 14:20:47	agowa	rcf: A SuperMicro server where I put a Nvidia 4060 into to use as my desktop.
2024-09-14 14:20:52	rcf	Ah. 
2024-09-14 14:21:01	⚡ 	rcf does not use nvidia, so cannot say much.
2024-09-14 14:21:18	rcf	But others might. 
2024-09-14 14:21:27	rcf	So be sure to wait and see. 
2024-09-14 14:22:07	agowa	the issue appears to be the ast module though. As that's the KVMs screen that even though it shows up as being turned off is getting used to extend the system. My current workaround is to deconfigure/remove the entire device...
2024-09-14 14:22:34	agowa	e.g. `echo 0000:42:00.0 > /sys/module/ast/drivers/pci:ast/unbind`
2024-09-14 14:24:50	agowa	(some more background) The main issue why I cannot just "make this workaround permanent" is that my goal is to run two dedicated seats/desktop-environments in parallel, one for the KVM and one for the attached host. So that the KVM is independent of the main system.
2024-09-14 14:36:30	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-14 15:36:31	Strykar	so the only new thing added to pacman.conf is "DownloadUser = alpm"?
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2024-09-14 15:38:54	agowa	Strykar: Depends on what you're comparing it to. Run `diff /etc/pacman.conf.pacnew /etc/pacman.conf`. For me for example it also contains `#DisableSandbox`.
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2024-09-14 15:43:30	batbrat	I want to try out a manual tiler, so I was thinking of running sway in addition to hyprland. One worry I have is that I might end up with a bunch of packages and not know which ones to uninstall when I remove one of them. I know that we can track direct dependencies easily, but what about utilities targeted towards on or the other that I might forget? I don't know if this is really a legitimate
2024-09-14 15:43:30	batbrat	worry. 
2024-09-14 15:43:36	batbrat	Maybe pen and paper will be enough. What do you all think? Have you done somethign like this, or something more complex like running multiple DEs and WMs?
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2024-09-14 15:49:46	teraflops	batbrat: apart from waybar (whether you use it), hyprland has a tool for almost anything you need so it is easy to track because all the packages start by hypr
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2024-09-14 15:50:52	teraflops	https://paste.priet.us/4yn4/
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2024-09-14 15:53:30	batbrat	teraflops: Good point. Thanks. I'll look at the link too
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2024-09-14 15:57:44	agowa	For Unified Kernel Images the wiki currently says: `mkinitcpio will use systemd-ukify for UKI generation if it is installed, if not, mkinitcpio will create UKIs itself.`, but Is there a particular reason why I'd actually want that? What's the difference between having systemd-ukify installed and not?
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2024-09-14 15:59:10	agowa	I'm using systemd-boot through the systemd hook within my uki currently but I do not have systemd-ukify installed. So I'm unsure what the difference at the end may be.
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2024-09-14 16:04:56	Foxboron	agowa: mkinitcpio is not going to support all the same features ukify is going to support
2024-09-14 16:05:09	◣	feriman (~feriman@user/feriman) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-09-14 16:05:30	Foxboron	the point of systemd implementing a common wrapper was to unify the implementation between initrd generators
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2024-09-14 16:06:03	agowa	Foxboron: That is clear, but there must be a reason why mkinitcpio would "DEFAULT" to using ukify. Assume I'd right now just install the package systemd-ukify and not change anything else. Why would I benefit form mkinitcpio using it?
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2024-09-14 16:06:21	Foxboron	More features
2024-09-14 16:06:32	agowa	But wouldn't I just use ukify directly then?
2024-09-14 16:06:53	agowa	The thing confusing me is why I'd want ukify getting used when I'm trying to use mkinitcpio.
2024-09-14 16:07:07	astralc	ukify doesn't generate initramfs
2024-09-14 16:07:33	agowa	astralc: The wiki page lists it as an alternative to using mkinitcpio right now. Is that wrong then?
2024-09-14 16:07:41	agowa	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_kernel_image#ukify
2024-09-14 16:07:42	phrik	Title: Unified kernel image - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-14 16:07:58	Foxboron	agowa: For UKIs, not initramfs
2024-09-14 16:08:08	Foxboron	they are not the same thing. initramfs is one component to the UKI
2024-09-14 16:08:39	agowa	Now see the mkinitcpio section of the same page. That's where it says that systemd-ukify is going to be used when trying to use mkinitcpio. And that's what is confusing me.
2024-09-14 16:09:01	Foxboron	You are reading about UKIs
2024-09-14 16:09:01	agowa	I fail to understand why that would be desirable.
2024-09-14 16:09:30	agowa	Foxboron: Exactly.
2024-09-14 16:10:37	agowa	#1 of that page says "you only need to perform one of the subsections". #1.1 is mkinitcpio, it says "mkinitcpio will use systemd-ukify for UKI generation if it is installed" and #1.4 is ukify.
2024-09-14 16:11:17	agowa	What I don't understand is in what case I'd be using mkinitcpio *and* desiring it to use ukify. This doesn't add up for me right now.
2024-09-14 16:11:27	astralc	you can configure UKI generation in mkinitcpio, which will _also_ create UKI after generating initramfs
2024-09-14 16:11:45	agowa	exactly that's what I mean.
2024-09-14 16:11:59	astralc	and it will use ukify (if it installed), or objcopy (if not)
2024-09-14 16:12:45	agowa	ok, but what's the difference? Is there a use case for mkinitcpio+ukify that isn't covered by just using ukify directly in regards to UKIs?
2024-09-14 16:13:30	astralc	it will do it little smarter, because mkinitcpio know what it generated
2024-09-14 16:13:52	Foxboron	You either have to wire it up yourself, or use kernel_install hooks.
2024-09-14 16:13:59	Foxboron	because nothing of this is standardized on Arch
2024-09-14 16:14:38	agowa	Foxboron: What do you mean? The wiki page literally says mkinitcpio will use ukify once it is installed. Is that wrong?
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2024-09-14 16:16:32	agowa	Foxboron: So would just installing systemd-ukify break mkinitcpio because the plumbing (including kernel_install hoook) is not present on archlinux then?
2024-09-14 16:16:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-14 16:16:13	Foxboron	agowa: ... what
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2024-09-14 16:16:49	Foxboron	Stop making assuming the answer when it's clear you don't get it. I don't have time to explain why you are wrong *and* explain how this works.
2024-09-14 16:17:24	agowa	Foxboron: As I understood it: 1) mkinitcpio defaults to ukify when systemd-ukify is installed (the wiki page in #1.1) and 2) you said ukify is not working out of the box on archlinux because one has to manually wire it up and kernel_install hook being missing.
2024-09-14 16:18:02	agowa	So 1+2 installing systemd-ukify **without** doing anything else would cause mkinitcpio to break because of the missing configuration for ukify?
2024-09-14 16:18:10	Foxboron	... no
2024-09-14 16:18:30	Foxboron	you can enable UKIs with mkinitcpio and it will use ukify if installed.
2024-09-14 16:18:43	Foxboron	*or* you don't enable UKIs in mkinitcpio and you wire up ukify manually
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2024-09-14 16:19:04	Foxboron	*or* you swap to using kernel_install and the ukify hook as the interface is standardized
2024-09-14 16:19:32	agowa	Ok so mkinitcpio will not literally *default* to ukify just because it is installed as that wiki page currently reads.
2024-09-14 16:19:54	Foxboron	The page is *assuming* you want UKIs enabld
2024-09-14 16:19:56	Foxboron	enabled*
2024-09-14 16:19:59	Foxboron	why is that hard to understand?
2024-09-14 16:20:19	astralc	> for UKI generation
2024-09-14 16:20:36	astralc	so if you don't generate UKI there, it won't use that
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2024-09-14 16:21:09	Foxboron	The entire introduction line at the top of the 1 section is just misplaced
2024-09-14 16:21:17	Foxboron	it should be a note at 1.1.5
2024-09-14 16:21:31	agowa	Mainly because it's the mkinitcpio and not the ukify section. And I can have UKIs without ukify, so...
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2024-09-14 16:22:37	batbrat	I've never used flatpaks before. Do they really provide a secure execution enivronment, or are they broken like https://flatkill.org/ says? I'm thinking of getting pwvucontrol through flatpak instead of AUR
2024-09-14 16:22:38	phrik	Title: Flatpak - a security nightmare (at flatkill.org)
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2024-09-14 16:23:38	Foxboron	batbrat: that entire page is 4 years old
2024-09-14 16:23:42	agowa	I'd suggest just changing "if it is installed" to "can be used if enabled", as it should be clear that it has to be installed for that and you just said that mkinitcpio wouldn't use it without actively enabling it anyway.
2024-09-14 16:23:46	Foxboron	or well, 6 yars old. the update is 4 years old
2024-09-14 16:23:59	Foxboron	agowa: that's implied by the page...
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2024-09-14 16:24:44	agowa	Foxboron: I want to have UKI. Until now I built them with just mkinitcpio. My confusion is just about "why mkinitcpio wouldn't do it's job the same if systemd-ukify is **also** installed.
2024-09-14 16:24:50	batbrat	Foxboron: True enough. I expect things are a lot better now.
2024-09-14 16:26:09	batbrat	That said, are these concerns addressed? Especially the one with delayed updates (security fixes) on flathub?
2024-09-14 16:27:17	agowa	batbat: Yes they do however most flatpak packages have way to broad permissions so the only thing you get is annoying issues with files not being found/accessible in the real world...
2024-09-14 16:28:14	agowa	batbrat: flatpak is basically docker for gui applications...
2024-09-14 16:28:25	batbrat	Foxboron, agowa: Thank you so much. I appreciate the help
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2024-09-14 16:32:41	batbrat	LOL!! Flathub lists pwvucontrol as potentiall unsafe since it can access screen contents and use the microphone without permission. Looks like flathub is a very interesting place now.
2024-09-14 16:34:52	agowa	I just avoid flathub these days as much as possible and use packages from the repos as they have way less bugs and generally work better with the system. (Also I don't see any security benefit as their isolation is generally not hardened anyway)
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2024-09-14 16:37:19	batbrat	agowa: Well, what do you do when you have to choose between flathub and the AUR?
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2024-09-14 16:37:37	batbrat	In that case, flatpak could potentially have some advantages, if it is packaged well.
2024-09-14 16:38:22	agowa	batbrat: AUR, at least I know what is included then. There is no difference between starting an unverified flatpak application to running an unverified AUR one...
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2024-09-14 16:39:02	agowa	batbrat: The application says what kind of isolation it wants and what it can access. So if you do not actively look at and change them then just use AUR...
2024-09-14 16:39:26	batbrat	True enough. I think the better question for me to ask (personally) is how to verify applications, say, from the AUR
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2024-09-14 16:43:14	agowa	batbrat: Look at the PKGBUILD script would be a good start. If it says "source shaydsite.invalid" instead of "source official github/website" then that's a good start for suspicions. Most PKGBUILD scripts are quire simple and can be quickly audited.
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2024-09-14 16:44:58	batbrat	agowa: Thanks
2024-09-14 16:45:16	batbrat	Foxboron: Do you also recommend avoiding flatpaks?
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2024-09-14 16:47:58	agowa	Foxboron: Sorry for annoying you further, but are you sure ukify being present doesn't cause issues with mkinitcpio's own UKI generation without the mentioned hooks? There is a comment on that wiki post talking about this and the changelog of mkinitcpio in fact says "UKIs will now be created with `ukify` if it is available. So ukify installed but not configured would be an issue then? (It looks
2024-09-14 16:47:58	agowa	like ukify is *not* just an opt-in 
2024-09-14 16:47:58	agowa	but an opt-out for UKIs generated with mkinitcpio once installed). Just wanting to make sure I didn't just write wrong information into the wiki.
2024-09-14 16:49:25	agowa	Anyway, it's probably faster to just try and see if it bails out...
2024-09-14 16:49:40	batbrat	agowa: That's an interesting question. I use a UKI as well, but I don't know the answer.
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2024-09-14 16:57:39	batbrat	agowa: By the way, is it easy to sandbox an app on my own? I can look into that as an alternative. I recall reading about bubblewrap in the Arch Wiki
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2024-09-14 16:58:40	agowa	batbrat: Well, what answer do you want. The "in theory" or the "in practice" one?
2024-09-14 16:59:20	agowa	Tl;Dr: It's the same story as with selinux, apparmor, ...
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2024-09-14 17:14:36	agowa	Foxboron: looks like mkinitcpio will in fact use ukify for the UKI but the configuration being missing is not an issue for mkinitcpio. Probably just needed when trying to use ukify natively then?
2024-09-14 17:16:04	astralc	agowa: reading the man page and the wiki, ukify don't have default config, and can use everything from command line
2024-09-14 17:17:08	batbrat	agowa: Thanks. 
2024-09-14 17:17:31	agowa	astralc: I also saw that. However the mkinitcpio didn't elaborate how exactly it is handling ukify besides "being the default if installed"...
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2024-09-14 17:50:43	solsTiCe	running `pacman -Fy` with v7 I got "error: restricting filesystem access failed because the landlock rule for the temporary download directory could not be added!" what is that supposed to mean?
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2024-09-14 17:51:30	astralc	Merge pacnew and try again?
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2024-09-14 17:53:12	solsTiCe	I have done it
2024-09-14 17:54:48	mpan	What are those new alpm user and group?
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2024-09-14 17:59:51	mpan	Please ignore my stupidity.
2024-09-14 18:00:09	mpan	!next
2024-09-14 18:00:10	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2024-09-14 18:00:23	astralc	Dammit i wanted to grab that
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2024-09-14 18:02:53	mpan	Ignoring my stupidity includes not grabbing evidence or confessions of it!
2024-09-14 18:02:55	mpan	¡nograb
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2024-09-14 18:28:32	bluetail	mpan if you think you are stupid, you are probably smart. But if you think you are smart, you may be stupid :D
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2024-09-14 18:38:32	badsektor	can you help me with the dmesg error message? -> hub 8-0:1.0: config failed, hub doesn't have any ports! (err -19)
2024-09-14 18:39:37	MrElendig	external usb hub?
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2024-09-14 18:40:45	badsektor	MrElendig: no
2024-09-14 18:42:08	MrElendig	can probably just ignore it then unless it's causing some actual problems
2024-09-14 18:42:19	badsektor	heh ok
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2024-09-14 19:28:31	post-factum	anyone using pensuse build service for building arch packages? can you check if it fails for you after pacman 7 upgrade? i get this: https://paste.rs/qZgc5 i want to report this but i'd like to get a confirmation i'm not alone
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2024-09-14 19:55:06	siak	Has anyone used Vivaldi?
2024-09-14 19:55:14	SlideShowGames	nah
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2024-09-14 19:55:19	SlideShowGames	I use firefox
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2024-09-14 19:55:47	SlideShowGames	I don't really like chromium based browsers
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2024-09-14 19:58:29	siak	What does vscode has to do with a browser?
2024-09-14 19:58:34	drsusanmd	Electron.
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2024-09-14 19:59:15	drsusanmd	i.e. it's built to be a native Chromium app
2024-09-14 20:01:52	obb	both are bloated af
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2024-09-14 20:03:42	drsusanmd	100% that's why I only redirect echo to files
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2024-09-14 20:09:34	capyyy	ill sloppy french kiss any AUR contributors
2024-09-14 20:09:46	capyyy	holy shit is it good
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2024-09-14 20:26:47	siak	I wanted to use another browsers beside Firefox. It is Chrome now. But wanted to change it to Cromite or Vivaldi.
2024-09-14 20:27:27	drsusanmd	there's always Lynx
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2024-09-14 20:38:54	boombatz	SlideShowGames, +1 Firefox rules!
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2024-09-14 20:40:54	SlideShowGames	I am excited for ladybug and Zen though
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2024-09-14 20:43:08	intelfx	semi-offtopic for Unix aficionados: anyone knows a column(1) equivalent ("column -t" specifically) that understands quoting?
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2024-09-14 20:51:20	gromit	intelfx: not really sure here, but did you try git column?
2024-09-14 20:53:50	intelfx	hmm, from my reading of the man it is a replacement for "column" or "column -x", but not for "column -t"
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2024-09-14 20:58:22	mkoskar	intelfx: you mean smt akin to shell quoting? so e.g., "this here" to be single table cell?
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2024-09-14 20:58:37	intelfx	yup
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2024-09-14 21:01:47	mkoskar	hmm ye idk anything like that specifically, I would just use unique enough separator e.g., \t
2024-09-14 21:02:51	intelfx	that's what I'd do if it was me choosing the format :-)
2024-09-14 21:03:33	mkoskar	depending on what the output should be you could hack it with xargs, or parallel
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2024-09-14 21:08:20	intelfx	ah! I can probably repurpose some sort of a CSV processor tool to treat spaces as delimiters and transform them into a different/unique whitespace character, and then apply column -t
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2024-09-14 21:19:43	hseg	Going through the latest .pacnews, am surprised /etc/makepkg.conf.d/rust.conf dropped -Copt-level=3 from RUSTFLAGS -- manual suggests the default level is 0, i.e. no optimizations are run
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2024-09-14 21:19:58	hseg	does this make sense?
2024-09-14 21:21:56	mkoskar	intelfx: got a bit carried away but came up with this silly thing :) https://mkoskar.com/p/V27q.png it utilizes the fact that xargs understands shell-like quoting of arguments
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2024-09-14 21:24:18	hseg	... I misread -- my original config had it commented out
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2024-09-14 21:25:11	hseg	Though I don't see how I ended up with opt-level=3 on my system
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2024-09-14 21:25:38	hseg	the git log shows it as being previously at opt-level=2 https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/pacman/-/commit/90bf367e61b4f77f8351d0412be3d0c4ddadb85a
2024-09-14 21:25:40	phrik	Title: Use devtools x86_64.conf as /etc/makepkg.conf (90bf367e) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / pacman · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-14 21:26:48	Ratchel	1. Hello, kinda need help urgently. I have a data loss incident where a part of my Documents directory got deleted (in my ext4 Home partition). I immediatly shut down the pc and booted from live usb. 
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2024-09-14 21:26:51	Ratchel	2. After that, I tried recovering files using ext4magic (sadly did not make journal dump before shuting down), extundelete, testdisk and photorec. The only lead I have is that photorec managed to download about 180GB worth of files, however, it is difficult to recover specific files from that. Is there any other way I haven't tried to for recovering files?
2024-09-14 21:27:02	Ratchel	3. Sorry if this is not the appropriate place to ask. I'd really appreciate any help i can get. Thanks
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2024-09-14 21:41:17	hseg	ok, it seems this choice is based on the fact that *cargo* has different defaults from *rustc*
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2024-09-14 21:50:58	gehidore	Ratchel for starters make sure you've got it mounted read only for anything you're doing
2024-09-14 21:51:10	gehidore	At this point scalpel would probably help you the most
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2024-09-14 21:52:46	gehidore	Ratchel there's also ext4undelete
2024-09-14 21:53:04	Ratchel	gehidre it is unmounted. I am about to mount it so i thought I'd ask as a final hail mary before doing that
2024-09-14 21:53:18	Ratchel	Is it different than extundelete?
2024-09-14 21:53:32	Ratchel	cause extundelete does not return anything for me
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2024-09-14 21:55:28	gehidore	It's the same I misread what you said, mount read only and grab scalpel and try thar
2024-09-14 21:55:30	gehidore	That#
2024-09-14 21:55:34	gehidore	Stupid phone
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2024-09-14 21:55:45	Ratchel	ok ty
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2024-09-14 21:57:27	gehidore	It's old but it still works if you've had minimal writes  since the deleting
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2024-09-14 22:07:04	gehidore	Mounting ro is important
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2024-09-14 22:07:04	Ratchel	almost no writes, but i ran think some of my files got corrupted for sure. Currently running foremost but characters are broken
2024-09-14 22:07:04	Ratchel	that get printed
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2024-09-14 22:07:04	gehidore	Good luck
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2024-09-14 22:08:41	Ratchel	ty. Never trying mouse and keyboard automation in wayland for a while after this, thats for sure. This happend because I made a buggy python scipt for automation and ydotool froze with ctrl pressed (when terminating the script with ctrl-c). I than tried deleting the ydotool_socket to stop it and instead deleted half my documents directory...
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2024-09-15 15:24:28	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-15 15:25:31	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-15 15:29:41	ℹ 	jack_ es conocido ahora como jacklapinza
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2024-09-15 15:48:43	ℹ 	lucenera1 es conocido ahora como lucenera
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2024-09-15 15:56:54	kocsi	I have a problem with this screen presenting itself after screen-wakeup, which implies that it couldn't find the same screens again: https://0x0.st/X3s2.png
2024-09-15 15:57:05	kocsi	The apps from my middle screen are gone, but the screens do re-initialize themselves properly (ancor - lg - benq) but the lg in the middle is probably a bit slower to wake up
2024-09-15 15:57:26	kocsi	so this prompt presenting itself is likely a timing issue, not a power saving issue
2024-09-15 15:58:17	kocsi	how can I add some sort of delay to the wakeup sequence? likely a second or two would already be enough to eliminate the issue
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2024-09-15 16:11:37	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-15 16:11:58	sweatiest	kocsi: Which GPU?
2024-09-15 16:11:38	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-15 16:28:05	ℹ 	resonanttoe4 es conocido ahora como resonanttoe
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2024-09-15 16:37:05	kocsi	sweatiest, gtx 670
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2024-09-15 16:42:24	sweatiest	Try https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA/Tips_and_tricks#Preserve_video_memory_after_suspend
2024-09-15 16:42:26	phrik	Title: NVIDIA/Tips and tricks - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-15 16:45:16	kocsi	I'm not sure that's it
2024-09-15 16:45:43	kocsi	but now I feel like, again, a lot of my video related problems would go away if I just upgraded my 12yo card finally
2024-09-15 16:45:50	ℹ 	javabean_ es conocido ahora como JavaBean
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2024-09-15 16:49:46	teraflops	sweatiest's suggestion won't hurt since you are running nvidia
2024-09-15 16:50:27	teraflops	you just have to create a file e.g /etc/modprobe.d/preservevideomemory.conf with https://bepasty.priet.us/2edFH3eh/+inline on it
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2024-09-15 16:54:58	leonic	hi, my edid firmware stopped working (after a kernel update I think?)
2024-09-15 16:55:27	leonic	dmesg says `Direct firmware load for /usr/lib/firmware/edid/monitor.bin failed with error -2`
2024-09-15 16:55:51	leonic	but when I load the edid manually after booting, it works fine.
2024-09-15 16:56:10	leonic	e.g. `cat /usr/lib/firmware/edid/monitor.bin | sudo tee /sys/kernel/debug/dri/1/DP-1/edid_override`
2024-09-15 16:56:18	leonic	and `echo 1 | sudo tee /sys/kernel/debug/dri/1/DP-1/trigger_hotplug`
2024-09-15 16:57:15	leonic	the option in my kernel boot line is `drm.edid_firmware=/usr/lib/firmware/edid/monitor.bin`
2024-09-15 16:57:27	Warepire	-2 = File or directory not found
2024-09-15 16:57:38	Warepire	Is the filesystem mounted when the loading happens?
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2024-09-15 17:32:10	dviola	teraflops: weird, must be something here then
2024-09-15 17:32:25	teraflops	I just tested it right now
2024-09-15 17:33:03	teraflops	`sudo pacstrap / tree` that's what I did
2024-09-15 17:33:16	dviola	let me check
2024-09-15 17:34:20	Namarrgon	leonic: Did you include that file and/or the gpu driver in the initramfs?
2024-09-15 17:35:30	leonic	no
2024-09-15 17:35:43	Namarrgon	Do you use the kms hook?
2024-09-15 17:35:44	leonic	but I don't think I'm using early KMS
2024-09-15 17:36:10	Namarrgon	Which gpu do you have?
2024-09-15 17:36:17	leonic	amdgpu
2024-09-15 17:36:40	leonic	if `kms` is in HOOKS in mkinitcpio.conf, does that mean I'm using kms hook?
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2024-09-15 17:37:01	Namarrgon	yes
2024-09-15 17:37:23	Namarrgon	lsinitramfs /boot/initramfs-linux.img | grep -i amdgpu
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2024-09-15 17:39:01	leonic	lsinitramfs doesn't exist on my system
2024-09-15 17:39:09	dviola	teraflops: https://0x0.st/X3ze.txt
2024-09-15 17:39:15	Namarrgon	*lsinitcpio
2024-09-15 17:39:21	leonic	but I'll try removing kms from my HOOKS
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2024-09-15 17:40:07	Namarrgon	You should probably instead add the edid to the initramfs.
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2024-09-15 17:40:46	Namarrgon	(I would replace the kms hook with amdgpu in the MODULES line, though, to avoid a bloated fallback initramfs)
2024-09-15 17:40:48	leonic	I initially didn't want to do that, because I changed the edid often
2024-09-15 17:41:49	leonic	okay, so I should put amdgpu in MODULES, leave kms in HOOKS, and add my edid in FILES ?
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2024-09-15 17:42:22	Namarrgon	add amdgpu in MODULE _or_ leave the kms in HOOKS, then add the edid in FILES
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2024-09-15 17:43:12	leonic	hmm, apparently kms is in HOOKS by default: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/mkinitcpio/mkinitcpio/-/merge_requests/126/diffs#57ac3bb5162944ca1d6c5fa29ff4d7cc886e04bb_53_52
2024-09-15 17:43:13	phrik	Title: Update mkinitcpio.conf (!126) · Merge requests · Arch Linux / Mkinitcpio / mkinitcpio · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-09-15 17:43:30	Namarrgon	Yes, it is.
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2024-09-15 19:06:53	leonic	Namarrgon: thanks, it was indeed a kms issue. adding the edid.bin to FILES in mkinitcpio.conf solved the issue.
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2024-09-15 19:07:46	leonic	and putting amdgpu in my MODULES and removing kms from my HOOKS decreased by initramfs-fallback from 110 MB to 60 MB.
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2024-09-15 19:23:08	kocsi	thanks sweatiest, teraflops. I'll give it a try. timeshifted. rebooting, here goes nothing
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2024-09-15 19:46:04	kocsi	tbh I had the same problem unuder windozer as well, which is what was among the reasons for finally getting rid of it
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2024-09-15 19:48:54	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1411 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1410 regular)
2024-09-15 19:48:56	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-15 19:50:29	teraflops	kocsi: you said you use 3 monitors, right?
2024-09-15 19:51:14	teraflops	different brands iirc, that is complicated
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2024-09-15 19:52:12	teraflops	I just use one 27 in portrait mode for slack and a big 32 one for every thing else
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2024-09-15 19:54:43	kocsi	since my card is fairly old, and I am mixing 1 HDMI, 1 DVI and 1 DP as well, the LG using the DP is the one that recovers from sleep the slowest
2024-09-15 19:55:29	kocsi	the card has 2 DVI, 1 HDNI and 1 DP port
2024-09-15 19:55:35	kocsi	DisplayPort port
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2024-09-15 19:57:08	kocsi	theoretically I could get rid of the monitor that connects on DVI. I rarely ever use apps in full screen on the 32". the +1 monitor does come in handy though
2024-09-15 19:57:18	kocsi	on windows I just blanked the screens
2024-09-15 19:57:41	kocsi	if I could selectively maybe just blank the 32" instead of putting it to sleep like the other two, maybe that could help
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2024-09-15 20:09:29	kocsi	and "xrandr --output DP-1 --off" actually just turns it off instead of blanking
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2024-09-15 20:27:10	post-factum	dviola: tried disabling unprivileged downloading?
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2024-09-15 20:30:22	dviola	post-factum: I haven't tried that yet, let me check
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2024-09-15 20:33:35	dviola	post-factum: yep, that did it, commenting the DownloadUser = alpm "fixes it"
2024-09-15 20:33:50	post-factum	nice
2024-09-15 20:34:11	dviola	thanks
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2024-09-16 15:09:37	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-16 15:09:37	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1407 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1406 regular)
2024-09-16 15:08:34	HawkinsTheWizard	               total        used        free      shared     buffers       cache   available
2024-09-16 15:08:34	HawkinsTheWizard	Mem:            30Gi        11Gi        16Gi       958Mi       4.8Mi       3.1Gi        18Gi
2024-09-16 15:08:34	HawkinsTheWizard	Swap:          4.0Gi          0B       4.0Gi
2024-09-16 15:09:58	astralc	alwyn: maybe you need to rebuild it
2024-09-16 15:10:04	demonicmaniac1	HawkinsTheWizard: have you run a memtest? what's the system? sounds a lot like some of the stuff intel people have seen on 13/14th gen K cpus
2024-09-16 15:10:08	alwyn	My YubiKey is the 5 NFC so it should work
2024-09-16 15:09:37	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-16 15:09:45	astralc	wait, it is not aur
2024-09-16 15:09:50	alwyn	astralc: I was about to say :P
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2024-09-16 15:10:00	alwyn	I'll try rebuilding
2024-09-16 15:10:21	astralc	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/yubioath-desktop/-/issues/1
2024-09-16 15:10:24	phrik	Title: no longer work with latest yubikey-manager version (#1) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / yubioath-desktop · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-16 15:10:30	HawkinsTheWizard	@demonicmaniac1, yeah. let it run half a day. no problems  
2024-09-16 15:10:32	HawkinsTheWizard	AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 8-Core Processor
2024-09-16 15:11:11	demonicmaniac1	are you running expo? have you tried just running base jedec if so?
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2024-09-16 15:11:54	HawkinsTheWizard	I do not remember expo and jedec. 
2024-09-16 15:14:15	alwyn	astralc: building fails nice
2024-09-16 15:14:24	HawkinsTheWizard	oh. the XMP memory profile stuff in the BIOS,  tried before but now running it standard base frequency
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2024-09-16 15:17:30	demonicmaniac1	alright just ruling out any memory defects, no clue then
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2024-09-16 15:18:21	demonicmaniac1	i'd probably suggest running a live system for a day or so depending on how often it happens if it also happens on another distro/other kernel live system
2024-09-16 15:18:47	Namarrgon	Are you using anything else that could use large amounts of ram? qemu/vbox or containers?
2024-09-16 15:19:46	teraflops	alwyn: as a workaround there is AUR/yubico-authenticator-bin
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2024-09-16 15:23:29	alwyn	teraflops: I'll try that
2024-09-16 15:23:48	teraflops	it works ok, it's what I use
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2024-09-16 15:28:49	MrElendig	HawkinsTheWizard: fire up netdata and record what is eating all the ram
2024-09-16 15:29:02	MrElendig	or some other time series logging solution
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2024-09-16 15:30:41	MrElendig	alwyn: rebuild yubikey-manager
2024-09-16 15:31:07	MrElendig	or update anyway
2024-09-16 15:31:17	MrElendig	also check your python env
2024-09-16 15:32:04	HawkinsTheWizard	Tried netdata as well
2024-09-16 15:32:42	HawkinsTheWizard	actually just today trying a different version of netdata to compare
2024-09-16 15:32:42	teraflops	MrElendig: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/yubioath-desktop/-/issues/1
2024-09-16 15:32:44	phrik	Title: no longer work with latest yubikey-manager version (#1) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / yubioath-desktop · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-16 15:51:52	HawkinsTheWizard	[Sep16 11:46] systemd-journald[425]: Under memory pressure, flushing caches.
2024-09-16 15:53:16	alwyn	Progress but no dice yet. It detects my yubikey but pcscd doesn't. Same error as https://github.com/drduh/YubiKey-Guide/issues/277 but 
2024-09-16 15:53:17	phrik	Title: pcscd: Error Reader Exclusive · Issue #277 · drduh/YubiKey-Guide · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-09-16 15:54:14	HawkinsTheWizard	what does this do ? /etc/systemd/system/sysinit.target.wants/dm-event.service:OOMScoreAdjust=-1000
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2024-09-16 15:56:44	HawkinsTheWizard	cat /proc/pressure/memory
2024-09-16 15:56:45	HawkinsTheWizard	some avg10=0.00 avg60=0.00 avg300=0.02 total=892078270
2024-09-16 15:56:45	HawkinsTheWizard	full avg10=0.00 avg60=0.00 avg300=0.02 total=844615628
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2024-09-16 15:58:20	Namarrgon	It lowers, or in this case disables, the scoring that is used by the oom killer to decide what to kill.
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2024-09-16 16:02:33	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1408 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1407 regular)
2024-09-16 16:02:33	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-16 16:48:46	trebuh	Hey! I am using Archlinux on WSL.
2024-09-16 16:48:46	trebuh	I am currently struggling with udev. My use case is this: using usbipd, I managed to have my USB key connected to WSL.
2024-09-16 16:48:47	trebuh	I followed https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Udev#Allowing_regular_users_to_use_devices The udev rule is
2024-09-16 16:48:47	trebuh	SUBSYSTEM=="usb", MODE="0660", TAG+="uaccess"
2024-09-16 16:48:48	phrik	Title: udev - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-16 16:48:48	trebuh	KERNEL=="hidraw*", SUBSYSTEM=="hidraw", MODE="0660", TAG+="uaccess"
2024-09-16 16:48:48	trebuh	but my regular user could not use the USB key unless I run  chmod a+rw /dev/hidraw1. How can I debug that?
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2024-09-16 17:02:38	mkoskar	trebuh: have you triggered udev reload?
2024-09-16 17:02:48	Namarrgon	trebuh: "ps 1"
2024-09-16 17:04:06	mkoskar	oh right, wsl is prob not running systemd?
2024-09-16 17:04:52	mkoskar	I guess you could just change the group of the device to smt like "input"
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2024-09-16 17:05:03	mkoskar	in the udev rule ┐(ツ)┌
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2024-09-16 17:05:57	Namarrgon	I think they support it now but you probably need to opt in for older setups.
2024-09-16 17:06:11	Namarrgon	It's not really supported anyway.
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2024-09-16 17:09:26	trebuh	mkoskar yes, I reloaded the rules, ps 1 yields /sbin/init which is a symlink to  /lib/systemd/systemd. Also, systemd-logind is running
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2024-09-16 17:10:05	trebuh	I'd like not to use group since the whole interest of the uaccess tag is to avoid using groups if I understood correctly
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2024-09-16 17:10:37	mkoskar	post the output of $ udevadm info --name /dev/hidraw*
2024-09-16 17:11:05	mkoskar	i.e., does it report the tag set
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2024-09-16 17:11:44	trebuh	it does if I recall correctly, give me a sec, will get the key and paste the output
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2024-09-16 17:14:32	phrik	pong
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2024-09-16 17:16:19	trebuh	!paste
2024-09-16 17:16:19	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-09-16 17:17:46	trebuh	here it is mkoskar https://bpa.st/VVWDA It seems the tag is OK
2024-09-16 17:17:50	phrik	Title: View paste VVWDA (at bpa.st)
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2024-09-16 17:20:48	phrik	loginctl show-session $XDG_SESSION_ID -p Active -p Remote
2024-09-16 17:24:19	trebuh	Namarrgon is this command intended for me? If so, the $XDG_SESSION_ID var is not set. If not, sorry for the mixup
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2024-09-16 17:25:23	Namarrgon	It should be set, if not then something is up with the login process.
2024-09-16 17:26:23	trebuh	I'll dig into that, the issue might then be with the login process and not udev
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2024-09-17 14:40:25	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-17 14:40:26	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-17 14:52:48	Betal	BrainDamage: for curiosity, do you have any numbers about this footprint increase? like 8MB to 128MB?
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2024-09-17 14:54:34	BrainDamage	you need to store the 3 bytes RGB channels for each grid element, while normally utf-8 encoded ascii text is just 1 byte ( excluding non-latin text families ), so 3x ram increase of scrollback buffer
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2024-09-17 14:55:54	BrainDamage	that being said, even if you had scrollback of 100 chars per line and 10k scrollback lines, that's ~1MByte normally and 4 in this case
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2024-09-17 15:02:33	ecraven	is there a way to run a command (to renew a client ssh cert) before ssh tries to connect to a host?
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2024-09-17 15:03:59	BrainDamage	there's ssh-copy-id to copy a new cert to a host you've already got access to
2024-09-17 15:04:19	ecraven	that only copies a key, I'm talking about certificates
2024-09-17 15:04:54	ecraven	I want ssh to call a local script that takes care of potentially renewing an ssh certificate, if needed
2024-09-17 15:05:11	BrainDamage	oh right, sorry, I forgot ssh now supports certs, my bad
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2024-09-17 15:06:38	ecraven	I think it has supported them for a long time ;) and I really like them, they solve so many problems!
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2024-09-17 15:11:53	bluetail	#bash
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2024-09-17 15:12:09	bluetail	not sure if its on-topic
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2024-09-17 15:42:22	toys	where would you suggest is the "appropriate" place to have it?
2024-09-17 15:42:27	toys	sorry, wrong #
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2024-09-17 16:09:50	Betal	ecraven: what problem do you solve with certs, that keys don't solve?
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2024-09-17 16:10:32	ecraven	no need to distribute them.
2024-09-17 16:10:55	ecraven	short-lived certs for users, long ones for servers (no need to educate anyone to verify the server fingerprint)
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2024-09-17 16:11:47	Root-Atlas	Does enabling GPU passthrough for Qemu. Make game freeze when playing on none VM? Or is it just a driver issue
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2024-09-17 16:14:37	Root-Atlas	I'm on wayland and using nvidia-dkms
2024-09-17 16:14:54	Root-Atlas	My laptop is not compatible with X11
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2024-09-17 16:36:42	rio6	hello, if I want to request adding a patch to pass-otp, where can I do that?
2024-09-17 16:37:11	rio6	upstream hasn't updated in 2 years and https://github.com/tadfisher/pass-otp/pull/172 is required for it to work on newer bash version
2024-09-17 16:37:12	phrik	Title: Fix HOTP counter increases by jorti · Pull Request #172 · tadfisher/pass-otp · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-09-17 16:37:22	Antiz	rio6: You could open an issue and/or a merge request on the gitlab repo for the package
2024-09-17 16:37:42	Antiz	rio6: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/pass-otp
2024-09-17 16:37:43	phrik	Title: Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / pass-otp · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-17 16:38:19	Antiz	If you don't have an account, you can request one by sending a mail to accountsupport@archlinux.org
2024-09-17 16:38:26	rio6	ok thanks, yeah I'll need to make an account first
2024-09-17 16:38:48	Antiz	You're welcome :)
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2024-09-17 17:26:47	koalamaccer	I stepped away from PC, displays went to sleep, came back and they are not waking up again. I ssh-d in and Xorg is eating 100% CPU. Any way to restore my session? I don't see any (EE) in Xorg.0.log
2024-09-17 17:26:50	ℹ 	jaawerth_ es conocido ahora como jaawerth
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2024-09-17 17:34:58	Namarrgon	Did it suspend to ram or to disk?
2024-09-17 17:44:01	koalamaccer	I did something, yes. teraflops recommended me something yesterday, but now I can't find exactly what it was.
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2024-09-17 17:45:00	teraflops	options nvidia NVreg_PreserveVideoMemoryAllocations=1
2024-09-17 17:45:05	koalamaccer	that, yes
2024-09-17 17:45:27	koalamaccer	I also timeshifted right before, but for some reason timeshift doesn't find the snapshot when I try to recall it
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2024-09-17 17:52:14	koalamaccer	ah, different snapshot-device
2024-09-17 17:54:11	koalamaccer	managed to restore timeshift and did reboot, but... it's not actually rebooting. can't even ssh in again
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2024-09-18 12:36:37	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-18 12:38:52	ℹ 	aziz1 es conocido ahora como aziz
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2024-09-18 12:45:29	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-18 12:41:12	bluetail	uhm... rapha? 
2024-09-18 12:41:36	bluetail	Putting plaintext passwords in there... I mean, maybe if your main disk is encrypted that does this
2024-09-18 12:41:41	bluetail	But still, I would be concerned
2024-09-18 12:41:56	rapha	bluetail: what plaintext passwords?
2024-09-18 12:42:30	bluetail	rapha pass a keyfile like so:
2024-09-18 12:42:30	bluetail	`n  UUID=75f7d4a2-16f5-4c0c-9149-dec0c6b10fb0  /root/nvme1np1-keyfile  luks,noauto` 
2024-09-18 12:43:30	bluetail	u can just generate one
2024-09-18 12:43:31	rapha	bluetail: "none" is not a plaintext password. it means you have to enter the password yourself.
2024-09-18 12:43:39	bluetail	`dd if=/dev/urandom of=/root/nvme1np1-keyfile bs=512 count=4; chmod 600 /root/nvme1np1-keyfile`
2024-09-18 12:43:45	bluetail	ooh
2024-09-18 12:43:47	bluetail	I see
2024-09-18 12:45:30	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-18 12:49:42	ChrisTX	generally, if you're considering keyfiles, have a look at TPM, which can optionally be PIN protected as well
2024-09-18 12:49:47	ChrisTX	it does a bloody good job
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2024-09-18 12:51:55	rapha	i'm happy with a passphrase but thank you all :)
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2024-09-18 13:28:47	ℹ 	SubWorx es conocido ahora como Sub|gone
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2024-09-18 14:01:00	tryh4rd	hallo
2024-09-18 14:01:03	tryh4rd	nihao
2024-09-18 14:01:05	tryh4rd	i gtg
2024-09-18 14:01:06	tryh4rd	now
2024-09-18 14:01:08	tryh4rd	bye
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2024-09-18 14:25:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-18 14:25:35	dwi	hrm.. upgrading curl has resulted in ostree issues, time to investigate and make sure it wasn't me doing something goofy. Anyone else have that after the recent curl version bump?
2024-09-18 14:25:30	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-18 14:26:17	Namarrgon	"ostree issues"?
2024-09-18 14:26:42	dwi	sorry, let me paste the single line: OSTree:ERROR:src/libostree/ostree-fetcher-curl.c:534:sock_cb: code should not be reached
2024-09-18 14:27:21	Namarrgon	https://github.com/ostreedev/ostree/issues/3299
2024-09-18 14:27:22	phrik	Title: `flatpak update` produces ostree error with curl 8.10.0 (+ patch) · Issue #3299 · ostreedev/ostree · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-09-18 14:27:23	dwi	it surfaced using flatpak, downgrading from 8.10.1-1 to 8.10.0-1 fixed it. 
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2024-09-18 15:03:40	ℹ 	Sub|gone es conocido ahora como SubWorx
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2024-09-18 15:12:31	switchnode	i accidentally pressed fn+f12 and suspended my system. now i can't resume it. i'm shelled in, my user session's alive, but the screen is unlit and pressing the suspend button again, pressing the power button, pressing other keyboard/mouse buttons, and closing/reopening the lid all do nothing.
2024-09-18 15:12:39	switchnode	is there any way to just resume from the command line? (the wiki and forums seem to be focused on getting suspend/resume working, but i don't ever use it--i just want to resume this once.)
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2024-09-18 15:44:27	elagost	hey, flatpak updates are probably broken in arch right now because of curl 8.10.1. Issue is documented here in ostree: https://github.com/ostreedev/ostree/issues/3299 
2024-09-18 15:44:29	phrik	Title: `flatpak update` produces ostree error with curl 8.10.0 (+ patch) · Issue #3299 · ostreedev/ostree · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-09-18 15:46:11	elagost	I don't have an arch system to test on but I assume the workaround that applies to alpine would be similar; just build ostree without curl, (maybe temporarily? It'll use libsoup for networking instead which is the default, I believe.
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2024-09-18 15:50:04	astralc	I don't see the error
2024-09-18 15:50:19	astralc	are you sure it is also in arch?
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2024-09-18 15:53:15	dwi	astralc: it is, I hit it during my morning update everything routine. 
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2024-09-18 15:54:28	elagost	there was a report in the github issue I linked with a few thumbs-up, so maybe.
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2024-09-18 15:54:49	elagost	Again I just figured I'd chime in here in case it was relevant and someone could fix it early.
2024-09-18 15:54:55	astralc	maybe I will see it after restart or something like that
2024-09-18 15:55:03	Antiz	elagost: Thanks for the report, the issue is known and being investigated 
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2024-09-18 16:17:07	Antiz	elagost: I just pushed a new release of the ostree package (2024.7-3) built without curl support to [extra], which should fix the issue.
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2024-09-18 16:18:50	demonicm1niac1	curious, is anything else affected? from what i skimmed it seems to just be a nullpointer check in curl and not any api change
2024-09-18 16:18:54	Scimmia	Antiz: people are impatient https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ostree-nocurl
2024-09-18 16:18:58	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - ostree-nocurl (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-09-18 16:19:19	Antiz	Scimmia: Yeah saw that, OMW to remove it ;)
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2024-09-18 16:37:04	ℹ 	heat__ es conocido ahora como heat
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2024-09-18 16:39:58	astralc	now I encountered it, it not the update check, it is the download
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2024-09-18 16:40:17	elagost	Antiz: cool, quick work! Alpine's still deliberating on the issue but it's not technically rolling.
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2024-09-18 17:54:33	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-18 17:54:33	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1419 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1418 regular)
2024-09-18 17:13:05	switchnode	since i cannot find any answers about resuming my system, i thought that since my user session was still live i could at least vnc in and save my data.
2024-09-18 17:13:19	switchnode	but i can't--trying to connect to either x11vnc or tigervnc's x0vncserver (with either the default macos vnc client or tigervnc viewer for mac) results in a refused connection. nothing is logged on the server side and when i inspect netstat i can see that neither actually listen on any port. wtf?
2024-09-18 17:15:19	gehidore	switchnode are you sure you invoked suspend or did you switch vt's?
2024-09-18 17:15:48	switchnode	gehidore: i'm sure i invoked suspend; i can see it in the journal.
2024-09-18 17:16:10	gehidore	then you also resumed and something failed on the way up, cause a successful suspend isn't going to leave you access to logs
2024-09-18 17:16:42	gehidore	what's the full log since suspend was triggered out to a pastebin?
2024-09-18 17:16:45	gehidore	!paste
2024-09-18 17:16:46	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-09-18 17:17:04	gehidore	0x0 or paste.rs probably work great
2024-09-18 17:20:12	switchnode	gehidore: i don't think i resumed; /sys/power/mem_sleep is "s2idle [deep]", and /sys/power/state is 'freeze mem disk'. there _was_ a message in the journal about not freezing user sessions despite suspending, which i'm assuming is why ssh and everything still work.
2024-09-18 17:20:53	Scimmia	switchnode: if you can ssh in, it resumed. If it didn't, everything is dead
2024-09-18 17:21:12	gehidore	switchnode this is why I ask for complete log from suspend until now
2024-09-18 17:21:14	Scimmia	or it never suspeneded
2024-09-18 17:21:16	switchnode	hmmm
2024-09-18 17:22:24	switchnode	gehidore: was about to add, log will be a min (awkward situation / need to clip key junk from installing those vnc servers)
2024-09-18 17:23:02	gehidore	Alrighty then
2024-09-18 17:40:22	switchnode	gehidore, Scimmia: log: https://0x0.st/X39s.txt
2024-09-18 17:43:18	switchnode	(i'm now very confused by the ordering/state here: i started suspending, resumed, finished suspending, and suspended again...? also i have no idea what the oom killer hit)
2024-09-18 17:46:17	gehidore	Sep 18 07:44:48 <host> kernel: nvidia-modeset: ERROR: GPU:0: Failed to bind display engine notify surface descriptor: 0x1a (Ran out of a critical resource, other than memory [NV_ERR_INSUFFICIENT_RESOURCES])
2024-09-18 17:46:19	gehidore	Sep 18 07:44:48 <host> kernel: nvidia-modeset: ERROR: GPU:0: Failed to allocate display engine core DMA push buffer
2024-09-18 17:46:21	gehidore	Sep 18 07:44:48 <host> kernel: nvidia-modeset: ERROR: GPU:0: Failed to bind display engine notify surface descriptor: 0x1a (Ran out of a critical resource, other than memory [NV_ERR_INSUFFICIENT_RESOURCES])
2024-09-18 17:46:23	gehidore	Sep 18 07:44:48 <host> kernel: nvidia-modeset: ERROR: GPU:0: Failed to allocate display engine core DMA push buffer
2024-09-18 17:47:09	mefistofeles	gehidore: ugh, nasty
2024-09-18 17:47:26	gehidore	so glad I have refused to deal with nvidia for this long
2024-09-18 17:47:32	mefistofeles	lol
2024-09-18 17:47:36	gehidore	switchnode I don't know that there's anything to do but reboot
2024-09-18 17:47:43	switchnode	argh, i should have known
2024-09-18 17:47:49	gehidore	looks like, unless someone sees something I'm not, your graphical session was destroyed
2024-09-18 17:47:53	mefistofeles	in my experience this is just the Linux desktop experience regardless of GPU manufacturer :P 
2024-09-18 17:48:04	⚡ 	gehidore sits on his intel high horse
2024-09-18 17:48:26	gehidore	worst thing I've seen in 20 years was screan tearing and steam crashing wlroots :P
2024-09-18 17:48:26	mefistofeles	gehidore: intel is great for web surfing... and not much else
2024-09-18 17:48:26	mefistofeles	:P 
2024-09-18 17:48:32	gehidore	I play games!
2024-09-18 17:48:38	gehidore	they aren't anything special but I play them!
2024-09-18 17:48:41	mefistofeles	it cannot even do 4k videos
2024-09-18 17:48:45	gehidore	I can't play the faux 4k video my phone makes
2024-09-18 17:48:51	gehidore	well without chop :P
2024-09-18 17:49:03	gehidore	fine fine... you win
2024-09-18 17:49:30	gehidore	admittedly when I stopped being serious about gaming life got better, though my next machine will be ryzen this has already been determined
2024-09-18 17:49:40	gehidore	with some not nvidia graphics
2024-09-18 17:50:10	gehidore	is there any recovery for switchnode at this point do you think mefistofeles or is it reboot time?
2024-09-18 17:51:11	switchnode	(weird that the vnc servers don't work. i guess they don't complain because i still have an x session, but not having a display makes something fail in a way they don't expect?)
2024-09-18 17:52:08	switchnode	at this point i would be very happy if i could just save all files currently open in evince somewhere permanent
2024-09-18 17:53:33	gehidore	I'm not sure you're going to have that kind of luck
2024-09-18 17:54:44	gehidore	nvidia-modeset fires off early right? before userspace? I wonder if that's one of those rare situations you can recover with hibernation since it's a fresh kernel until the userspace handover?
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2024-09-18 17:13:05	switchnode	since i cannot find any answers about resuming my system, i thought that since my user session was still live i could at least vnc in and save my data.
2024-09-18 17:13:19	switchnode	but i can't--trying to connect to either x11vnc or tigervnc's x0vncserver (with either the default macos vnc client or tigervnc viewer for mac) results in a refused connection. nothing is logged on the server side and when i inspect netstat i can see that neither actually listen on any port. wtf?
2024-09-18 17:15:19	gehidore	switchnode are you sure you invoked suspend or did you switch vt's?
2024-09-18 17:15:48	switchnode	gehidore: i'm sure i invoked suspend; i can see it in the journal.
2024-09-18 17:16:10	gehidore	then you also resumed and something failed on the way up, cause a successful suspend isn't going to leave you access to logs
2024-09-18 17:16:42	gehidore	what's the full log since suspend was triggered out to a pastebin?
2024-09-18 17:16:45	gehidore	!paste
2024-09-18 17:16:46	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-09-18 17:17:04	gehidore	0x0 or paste.rs probably work great
2024-09-18 17:20:12	switchnode	gehidore: i don't think i resumed; /sys/power/mem_sleep is "s2idle [deep]", and /sys/power/state is 'freeze mem disk'. there _was_ a message in the journal about not freezing user sessions despite suspending, which i'm assuming is why ssh and everything still work.
2024-09-18 17:20:53	Scimmia	switchnode: if you can ssh in, it resumed. If it didn't, everything is dead
2024-09-18 17:21:12	gehidore	switchnode this is why I ask for complete log from suspend until now
2024-09-18 17:21:14	Scimmia	or it never suspeneded
2024-09-18 17:21:16	switchnode	hmmm
2024-09-18 17:22:24	switchnode	gehidore: was about to add, log will be a min (awkward situation / need to clip key junk from installing those vnc servers)
2024-09-18 17:23:02	gehidore	Alrighty then
2024-09-18 17:40:22	switchnode	gehidore, Scimmia: log: https://0x0.st/X39s.txt
2024-09-18 17:43:18	switchnode	(i'm now very confused by the ordering/state here: i started suspending, resumed, finished suspending, and suspended again...? also i have no idea what the oom killer hit)
2024-09-18 17:46:17	gehidore	Sep 18 07:44:48 <host> kernel: nvidia-modeset: ERROR: GPU:0: Failed to bind display engine notify surface descriptor: 0x1a (Ran out of a critical resource, other than memory [NV_ERR_INSUFFICIENT_RESOURCES])
2024-09-18 17:46:19	gehidore	Sep 18 07:44:48 <host> kernel: nvidia-modeset: ERROR: GPU:0: Failed to allocate display engine core DMA push buffer
2024-09-18 17:46:21	gehidore	Sep 18 07:44:48 <host> kernel: nvidia-modeset: ERROR: GPU:0: Failed to bind display engine notify surface descriptor: 0x1a (Ran out of a critical resource, other than memory [NV_ERR_INSUFFICIENT_RESOURCES])
2024-09-18 17:46:23	gehidore	Sep 18 07:44:48 <host> kernel: nvidia-modeset: ERROR: GPU:0: Failed to allocate display engine core DMA push buffer
2024-09-18 17:47:09	mefistofeles	gehidore: ugh, nasty
2024-09-18 17:47:26	gehidore	so glad I have refused to deal with nvidia for this long
2024-09-18 17:47:32	mefistofeles	lol
2024-09-18 17:47:36	gehidore	switchnode I don't know that there's anything to do but reboot
2024-09-18 17:47:43	switchnode	argh, i should have known
2024-09-18 17:47:49	gehidore	looks like, unless someone sees something I'm not, your graphical session was destroyed
2024-09-18 17:47:53	mefistofeles	in my experience this is just the Linux desktop experience regardless of GPU manufacturer :P 
2024-09-18 17:48:04	⚡ 	gehidore sits on his intel high horse
2024-09-18 17:48:26	gehidore	worst thing I've seen in 20 years was screan tearing and steam crashing wlroots :P
2024-09-18 17:48:26	mefistofeles	gehidore: intel is great for web surfing... and not much else
2024-09-18 17:48:26	mefistofeles	:P 
2024-09-18 17:48:32	gehidore	I play games!
2024-09-18 17:48:38	gehidore	they aren't anything special but I play them!
2024-09-18 17:48:41	mefistofeles	it cannot even do 4k videos
2024-09-18 17:48:45	gehidore	I can't play the faux 4k video my phone makes
2024-09-18 17:48:51	gehidore	well without chop :P
2024-09-18 17:49:03	gehidore	fine fine... you win
2024-09-18 17:49:30	gehidore	admittedly when I stopped being serious about gaming life got better, though my next machine will be ryzen this has already been determined
2024-09-18 17:49:40	gehidore	with some not nvidia graphics
2024-09-18 17:50:10	gehidore	is there any recovery for switchnode at this point do you think mefistofeles or is it reboot time?
2024-09-18 17:51:11	switchnode	(weird that the vnc servers don't work. i guess they don't complain because i still have an x session, but not having a display makes something fail in a way they don't expect?)
2024-09-18 17:52:08	switchnode	at this point i would be very happy if i could just save all files currently open in evince somewhere permanent
2024-09-18 17:53:33	gehidore	I'm not sure you're going to have that kind of luck
2024-09-18 17:54:44	gehidore	nvidia-modeset fires off early right? before userspace? I wonder if that's one of those rare situations you can recover with hibernation since it's a fresh kernel until the userspace handover?
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2024-09-18 17:56:22	gehidore	probably a long shot I realize
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2024-09-18 19:08:31	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-18 18:55:48	DeepDayze	Nvidia seems to be more problem these days lol
2024-09-18 18:56:10	MrElendig	nvidia is mostly fine really
2024-09-18 18:56:39	Edu4rdSHL	Since a very long time ago
2024-09-18 18:56:54	MrElendig	unlike e.g. amd with fsr 3.0 on rdna1 :p
2024-09-18 18:57:47	Edu4rdSHL	I've had nvidia for the past 10 years and have never had these problems, tbh. I only remember 1 real breakage where they released a driver that failed to load due to licensing 
2024-09-18 18:58:14	Edu4rdSHL	Right now I'm on Nvidia on Gnome + Wayland and everything is smooth
2024-09-18 18:59:14	mefistofeles	gehidore: oh sorry, I was having lunch, but no, no idea what to do at that point...
2024-09-18 19:00:40	Edu4rdSHL	gehidore, check nvtop and see how the resource usage is therew
2024-09-18 19:00:45	Edu4rdSHL	gehidore, check nvtop and see how the resource usage is there *
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2024-09-18 19:10:15	teraflops	Im having a blank screen on steam while launching games, I suspect of curl, lets see
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2024-09-18 19:22:14	teraflops	with faltpak version I can play games but on steam-runtime and steam-native games fail
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2024-09-18 19:35:33	docdrow	any systemd ninjas here? I'm attempting to execute a script when a specific network device (eth0 in this example) becomes available (which means, it has a carrier and an ip address).  My google-fu and Chatgpt-fu have struck out. Some would say to do this via udev, others say to use a dispatcher, but I believe it's possible with basic systemd and networkd, just curious if anyone can point me in
2024-09-18 19:35:35	docdrow	the right direction?
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2024-09-18 19:37:33	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, mmmm, weird
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2024-09-18 19:37:45	Edu4rdSHL	I dont have any issue here, as we have a very similar setup, iirc
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2024-09-18 19:38:51	Edu4rdSHL	docdrow, https://github.com/bpetlert/networkd-broker
2024-09-18 19:38:52	phrik	Title: GitHub - bpetlert/networkd-broker: An event broker daemon for systemd-networkd (at github.com)
2024-09-18 19:39:03	Edu4rdSHL	That's just what you want
2024-09-18 19:39:25	docdrow	Edu4rdSHL: yeah, saw that. I'm just astounded by the complexity of systemd and yet theres no way to do what I seek without a broker?
2024-09-18 19:39:27	Edu4rdSHL	It's even on the AUR
2024-09-18 19:39:29	docdrow	hard for me to believe.
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2024-09-18 19:39:46	gehidore	Edu4rdSHL it's switchnode not my machine
2024-09-18 19:39:58	docdrow	BindsTo=sys-subsystem-net-devices-eth0.device does not work :-)
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2024-09-18 19:41:57	Edu4rdSHL	udev will also work as you mentioned
2024-09-18 19:42:00	dav1d	What is the goto mtp implementation people are using? The wiki has quite a few different tools/impls listed
2024-09-18 19:42:04	Edu4rdSHL	That's the "systemd-way"
2024-09-18 19:42:29	docdrow	It's hard for me to believe I can't make native systemd (what with all of it's rediculous lines of code) execute a script with a network device becomes available. 
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2024-09-18 19:42:32	Edu4rdSHL	gvfs works fine
2024-09-18 19:42:38	Edu4rdSHL	dav1d, ^
2024-09-18 19:42:41	⚡ 	docdrow grumbles.
2024-09-18 19:42:56	Edu4rdSHL	docdrow, you can, use a udev rule
2024-09-18 19:43:10	dav1d	Edu4rdSHL, does that make sense if I have KDE installed?
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2024-09-18 19:44:00	Edu4rdSHL	dav1d, sure, it doesn't depends on the Gnome DE
2024-09-18 19:44:06	docdrow	imma just make a script and bind it to a key hyprland and call it day. set a reminder to check systemd a year from now to see if it still sucks in this regard. I'm not adding yet another package, and yet another set of configuration files (/etc/networkd)...
2024-09-18 19:44:36	Edu4rdSHL	I already gave you solutions and you're stuck on nonsense at this point
2024-09-18 19:44:41	dav1d	Edu4rdSHL, oh nice it has quite a slim dependency list
2024-09-18 19:44:45	dav1d	tyty
2024-09-18 19:45:04	switchnode	lmao, speaking of gvfs...
2024-09-18 19:45:22	Edu4rdSHL	gehidore, ah
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2024-09-18 19:46:45	switchnode	most of the docs open in evince i wanted to save are unaltered, so i figured it would be good enough to get the urls they were downloaded from. and evince stores that info in gvfs-metadata!
2024-09-18 19:47:58	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: you are on testing repos right?
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2024-09-18 19:48:03	linsux	come on archi, fix those bugs
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2024-09-18 19:48:03	linsux	it's been tooooo long
2024-09-18 19:48:03	Edu4rdSHL	linsux, what are you talking about
2024-09-18 19:48:03	linsux	arch bugs
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2024-09-18 19:48:03	ℹ 	docmax es conocido ahora como Guest5058
2024-09-18 19:48:03	ℹ 	docmax_ es conocido ahora como docmax
2024-09-18 19:48:03	Edu4rdSHL	?
2024-09-18 19:48:07	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, yep
2024-09-18 19:48:30	Edu4rdSHL	Just disabled gnome-unstable since that packages are now on "normal" testing repos
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2024-09-18 19:49:19	switchnode	but it's in a binary format, and the tool that reads it, 'gio info', also reads off a bunch of filesystem information. it won't work if the file has been deleted, _even though there's still metadata in the gvfs meta files_.
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2024-09-18 19:50:02	docdrow	Edu4rdSHL: you should've re-read my original ask. I acknowledged in that statement that I'm aware that there are ways to achieve this with udev and a network broker, but I was looking for a way to do this with systemd itself. Nonetheless, thanks for your help.
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2024-09-18 19:50:38	Edu4rdSHL	udev is literally systemd itself
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2024-09-18 19:51:11	linsux	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/75642
2024-09-18 19:51:12	phrik	Title: FS#75642 : [networkmanager-strongswan] build with gtk4 (at bugs.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-18 19:51:26	switchnode	i spent like an hour fixing segfaults in some godawful academic code that's supposed to dump it, but now that i have it running it doesn't really work. i can see stuff out of `strings` that's not in the dump.
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2024-09-18 19:52:23	docdrow	Edu4rdSHL: you presume I'm using systemd-udev and not some other udev. regardless, the intention was clear in my ask that I wanted to learn how to do this with systemd unit/services, not udev, not a broker. 
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2024-09-18 19:52:39	linsux	there are bugs in remmina too
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2024-09-18 19:52:46	Edu4rdSHL	docdrow, then you aren't using Arch?
2024-09-18 19:52:59	Edu4rdSHL	I mean, udev is bundled on the systemd package on Arch
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2024-09-18 19:53:37	Edu4rdSHL	And, as I said, that's the systemd way to do it, why add complexity to unit services when there's something especifically designed for that like udev?
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2024-09-18 19:54:59	Edu4rdSHL	The sole purpose of udev is to detect events of device changes, physical or state changes, why add that complexity to units
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2024-09-18 19:58:42	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-18 19:57:14	Edu4rdSHL	So, you want to achieve it on a way that doesn't exists because there are better options
2024-09-18 19:57:15	docdrow	(fwiw I still believe there's a way to do this with regular unit/services wants but.... I lack the time and tylenol to read more man files ;)
2024-09-18 19:57:16	Edu4rdSHL	Gotcha
2024-09-18 19:57:20	Edu4rdSHL	!bail
2024-09-18 19:57:21	phrik	Looks like Edu4rdSHL is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2024-09-18 19:57:29	⚡ 	docdrow waves
2024-09-18 19:58:43	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-18 20:08:30	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: on testing everything steam related works as expected :D
2024-09-18 20:09:41	teraflops	and nautilus does not segfault
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2024-09-18 20:18:42	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, nautilus was fixed a couple days ago when I reported it
2024-09-18 20:19:07	teraflops	ah, thanks for reporting it
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2024-09-18 20:23:53	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-18 20:23:53	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1417 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1416 regular)
2024-09-18 19:57:14	Edu4rdSHL	So, you want to achieve it on a way that doesn't exists because there are better options
2024-09-18 19:57:15	docdrow	(fwiw I still believe there's a way to do this with regular unit/services wants but.... I lack the time and tylenol to read more man files ;)
2024-09-18 19:57:16	Edu4rdSHL	Gotcha
2024-09-18 19:57:20	Edu4rdSHL	!bail
2024-09-18 19:57:21	phrik	Looks like Edu4rdSHL is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2024-09-18 19:57:29	⚡ 	docdrow waves
2024-09-18 20:09:02	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: on testing everything steam related works as expected :D
2024-09-18 20:10:12	teraflops	and nautilus does not segfault
2024-09-18 20:19:13	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, nautilus was fixed a couple days ago when I reported it
2024-09-18 20:19:39	teraflops	ah, thanks for reporting it
2024-09-18 20:23:56	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-18 20:41:07	Varro	hi - paru is not working still. i think i am going to switch to yay
2024-09-18 20:42:00	Varro	does anyone know if i can just move the .cache/paru to some new directory so yay does not redownload things
2024-09-18 20:42:07	ian|	downgrade your pacman from 7.0.0
2024-09-18 20:42:16	ian|	the new libalpm breaks both paru and yay
2024-09-18 20:42:46	Varro	paru-git is working on new pacman
2024-09-18 20:43:59	astralc	use paru-git until it update
2024-09-18 20:43:59	Varro	i thought it's paru team not making a release which is the problem. does yay also have the same issue?
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2024-09-18 20:43:59	jelle	ian|: no, don't advice downgrading pacman, that is not a solution
2024-09-18 20:43:59	Varro	because i am okaay with -git stuff only for experimental things, not for system critical things like package mgmt
2024-09-18 20:44:04	neoweb	Is there a way, besides creating a repo to have pacman download and install a aur package
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2024-09-18 20:44:30	Erus_Iluvatar	ian|: no, yay works fine
2024-09-18 20:44:31	astralc	makepkg -i?
2024-09-18 20:44:40	astralc	^ neoweb 
2024-09-18 20:44:49	astralc	+ git
2024-09-18 20:45:02	smallville7123	how come archlinux kernel needs > 1 GB mem to boot yet i can build a kernel that can "boot" with 100 mb ?
2024-09-18 20:45:03	neoweb	I need to use Ansible to install packages.
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2024-09-18 20:45:22	neoweb	So I was going to script the install of yay first
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2024-09-18 20:45:34	neoweb	Then yay etcd package
2024-09-18 20:45:40	Varro	yeah yay has commits that keep coming
2024-09-18 20:45:49	Varro	honestly i am very disappointed with paru now
2024-09-18 20:45:55	jelle	neoweb: if it is ansible, then you want a proper repository
2024-09-18 20:46:08	neoweb	Or do it all with makepkg or do it all with a custom repo
2024-09-18 20:46:19	Varro	does anyone know if paru cache can be re-used by yay? i am going to switch to yay
2024-09-18 20:46:32	Varro	looks like paru is a dead project to me
2024-09-18 20:46:48	neoweb	I am trying to minimize so I was thinking NFS filestore and pacman at this point.
2024-09-18 20:46:56	Erus_Iluvatar	smallville7123: Arch does not need 1GB of RAM to boot
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2024-09-18 20:47:22	neoweb	Build the package, and then install.
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2024-09-18 20:47:32	smallville7123	well it definitely cannot boot with 256 MB :)
2024-09-18 20:47:37	Varro	yeah, do both together with `makepkg -si`
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2024-09-18 20:48:01	astralc	Varro: aurutils won't break on pacman .so upgrade, if that matter to you
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2024-09-18 20:48:18	smallville7123	does archlinux use an unmodified kernel ?
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2024-09-18 20:48:38	Erus_Iluvatar	the Arch Linux installation medium needs even more than that since it loads a bunch of stuff in memory
2024-09-18 20:49:21	Varro	astralc: looks like yay should also work? this issue is fixed, https://github.com/Jguer/yay/issues/2502
2024-09-18 20:49:23	phrik	Title: yay: error while loading shared libraries: libalpm.so.14: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory · Issue #2502 · Jguer/yay · GitHub (at github.com)
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2024-09-18 20:49:33	Erus_Iluvatar	but an minimal installation should be just fine with ~ 512 MB though
2024-09-18 20:49:45	astralc	paru is also fixed in master
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2024-09-18 20:49:51	smallville7123	im trying to get an extremely minimal linux running on riscv and arch iso is way too big
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2024-09-18 20:50:11	jelle	smallville7123: the archiso isn't even risc-v
2024-09-18 20:50:13	astralc	but arch is x86_64
2024-09-18 20:50:38	Varro	if i am reading that right, then it makes sense to switch to yay. i learnt my lesson with paru about switching to the second most popular AUR helper
2024-09-18 20:50:41	jelle	more likely you just want the rootfs https://archriscv.felixc.at/
2024-09-18 20:50:53	HuntsMan	smallville7123: what happens when you boot with 256MB?
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2024-09-18 20:51:12	smallville7123	Hunt
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2024-09-18 20:51:37	Varro	last commit on paru was on Aug 29, which had workflow failures: https://github.com/Morganamilo/paru/commits/master/
2024-09-18 20:51:39	phrik	Title: Commits · Morganamilo/paru · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-09-18 20:51:41	smallville7123	HuntsMan: last time i tried i got not enough memory to map or something like that
2024-09-18 20:51:52	Varro	looks like an abandoned project
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2024-09-18 20:52:02	Erus_Iluvatar	smallville7123: see https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/linux and https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/linux-lts : depending on the kernel we have some patches
2024-09-18 20:52:04	phrik	Title: Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / linux · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-18 20:52:25	Varro	this is absolutely horrible
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2024-09-18 20:52:39	jelle	Varro: please be a bit more respectful
2024-09-18 20:53:01	jelle	Varro: because the project you complain about also maintains the pacman rust binding which is in fact up to date
2024-09-18 20:53:04	Varro	i am assuming yay and paru both do makepkg -si, or something similar. i will try switching to yay and just moving the paru cache directory to yay
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2024-09-18 20:53:53	jelle	smallville7123: please explain booting the archiso on risc-v, that makes no sense at all
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2024-09-18 20:54:47	smallville7123	jelle: last time i tried in qemu x86 64
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2024-09-18 20:55:02	jelle	smallville7123: yes, that needs 512MB or so which Erus_Iluvatar explained...
2024-09-18 20:55:09	smallville7123	with archiso and 256 mb
2024-09-18 20:55:39	Erus_Iluvatar	smallville7123: see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide "Arch Linux should run on any x86_64-compatible machine with a minimum of 512 MiB RAM, though more memory is needed to boot the live system for installation."
2024-09-18 20:55:41	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-18 20:56:01	smallville7123	alright
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2024-09-18 20:56:41	Varro	you are right looks like there is a commit 7 hours ago to the alpm.rs. does that mean paru is still maintained?
2024-09-18 20:56:44	smallville7123	how can i boot archriscv via uboot ?
2024-09-18 20:57:07	jelle	Varro: alpm.rs is separate from paru
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2024-09-18 20:57:19	Erus_Iluvatar	Varro: give the author some slack, 15 days without a commits does not mean a project is abandonned
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2024-09-18 20:58:43	mgariepy	hello, i use Incus on arch and there is a commit that would need to be applied to the package (from upstream incus repo).
2024-09-18 20:59:43	mgariepy	can i just open an issue in gitlab pointing to the info or should i open the issue somewhere else?
2024-09-18 21:00:34	jelle	mgariepy: opening on gitlab is preferred
2024-09-18 21:00:47	jelle	(And much appreciated)
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2024-09-18 21:02:05	sibyla	Varro they are almost the same program
2024-09-18 21:02:07	mgariepy	ok thanks jelle i will do.
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2024-09-19 14:07:01	upl1nk	Hi, anyone upgraded to gnome 47? Did it break anything? :D
2024-09-19 14:07:46	upl1nk	breack*
2024-09-19 14:08:01	kode54	upl1nk: one person above upgraded and their mirror didn't have the glib2 update it needed
2024-09-19 14:08:04	alwyn	another|: derp. If a package depends on java-runtime, it explicitly depends on that, and it java-runtime-headless cannot replace it?
2024-09-19 14:12:10	upl1nk	Thanks kode54, I've found the discussion above
2024-09-19 14:18:50	another|	alwyn: well, it's all virtual packages. what's your actual problem?
2024-09-19 14:19:21	kode54	another|: maybe they want to install a java version that has no GUI dependencies
2024-09-19 14:19:44	alwyn	basically yes
2024-09-19 14:19:59	alwyn	Although it is very possible I misunderstand how that works
2024-09-19 14:20:15	alwyn	I do want to run a GUI application with Java, but that uses Qt
2024-09-19 14:21:39	another|	so.... install a headless jdk?
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2024-09-19 14:42:23	alwyn	another|: explicit example I am handling now: prismlauncher depends on java-runtime. Even if I install java-runtime-headless first, and then try to install prismlauncher, it still wants to install non-headless jre/jdk
2024-09-19 14:42:36	alwyn	maybe the application actually does require non-headless jre/jdk?
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2024-09-19 14:43:06	kode54	alwyn: the minecraft it installs requires a GUI capable java runtime
2024-09-19 14:43:27	alwyn	ahhh okay
2024-09-19 14:43:30	kode54	the launcher itself isn't java-based
2024-09-19 14:43:37	alwyn	aye that's what I was thinking
2024-09-19 14:43:48	kode54	also different versions of minecraft require different major releases of java runtime
2024-09-19 14:43:58	alwyn	ofc the launcher the launcher launches needs it
2024-09-19 14:44:00	alwyn	herp derp
2024-09-19 14:44:27	kode54	you can pick any openjdk jre you need
2024-09-19 14:44:29	kode54	let me see
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2024-09-19 14:44:35	kode54	which minecraft would you like to install?
2024-09-19 14:44:38	kode54	latest?
2024-09-19 14:44:38	alwyn	aye jre 21 should work fine
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2024-09-19 14:44:47	kode54	yeah, jre 21 for latest
2024-09-19 14:44:59	alwyn	I tried 22 with 1.21 which is not yet supported though seems to work fine
2024-09-19 14:45:03	kode54	some old crap required 16 or even 8
2024-09-19 14:45:15	alwyn	yeahhhhhhh haha
2024-09-19 14:45:33	kode54	it lets you pick the runtime to use per instance you install
2024-09-19 14:45:35	alwyn	There's another game I play(ed) that up until quite recently still shipped with jre 7(!)
2024-09-19 14:45:37	kode54	also
2024-09-19 14:45:43	kode54	if you're on a wayland session
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2024-09-19 14:46:22	kode54	there's two different glfw forks on the AUR
2024-09-19 14:46:34	kode54	for wayland
2024-09-19 14:46:53	kode54	you can install one and instruct prismlauncher to use glfw from the system instead of the bundled one
2024-09-19 14:48:32	alwyn	kode54: I am, is there a notable difference between them? I did install the glfw package
2024-09-19 14:48:39	another|	well, jre-openjdk-headless does not provide java-runtime. If your package requires that, you'll need to install a full jre
2024-09-19 14:48:49	another|	or maybe build your own
2024-09-19 14:49:02	kode54	another|: they weren't aware how java interacted with a Qt app
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2024-09-19 14:49:19	kode54	in this case, the Qt app doesn't require it, except to launch minecraft instances
2024-09-19 14:49:30	kode54	so it needs a full runtime
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2024-09-19 15:49:23	pulec	what is the ideal setting/option in /etc/fstab to not check if drive is mounted? just remove 'nofail'?
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2024-09-19 15:49:51	pulec	oh wait I had nofail removed and it halted on it, not it
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2024-09-19 15:53:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-19 15:53:01	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1409 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1408 regular)
2024-09-19 14:07:01	upl1nk	Hi, anyone upgraded to gnome 47? Did it break anything? :D
2024-09-19 14:07:46	upl1nk	breack*
2024-09-19 14:08:01	kode54	upl1nk: one person above upgraded and their mirror didn't have the glib2 update it needed
2024-09-19 14:08:04	alwyn	another|: derp. If a package depends on java-runtime, it explicitly depends on that, and it java-runtime-headless cannot replace it?
2024-09-19 14:12:10	upl1nk	Thanks kode54, I've found the discussion above
2024-09-19 14:18:50	another|	alwyn: well, it's all virtual packages. what's your actual problem?
2024-09-19 14:19:21	kode54	another|: maybe they want to install a java version that has no GUI dependencies
2024-09-19 14:19:44	alwyn	basically yes
2024-09-19 14:19:59	alwyn	Although it is very possible I misunderstand how that works
2024-09-19 14:20:15	alwyn	I do want to run a GUI application with Java, but that uses Qt
2024-09-19 14:21:39	another|	so.... install a headless jdk?
2024-09-19 14:42:54	alwyn	another|: explicit example I am handling now: prismlauncher depends on java-runtime. Even if I install java-runtime-headless first, and then try to install prismlauncher, it still wants to install non-headless jre/jdk
2024-09-19 14:43:06	alwyn	maybe the application actually does require non-headless jre/jdk?
2024-09-19 14:43:37	kode54	alwyn: the minecraft it installs requires a GUI capable java runtime
2024-09-19 14:43:57	alwyn	ahhh okay
2024-09-19 14:44:00	kode54	the launcher itself isn't java-based
2024-09-19 14:44:07	alwyn	aye that's what I was thinking
2024-09-19 14:44:18	kode54	also different versions of minecraft require different major releases of java runtime
2024-09-19 14:44:28	alwyn	ofc the launcher the launcher launches needs it
2024-09-19 14:44:30	alwyn	herp derp
2024-09-19 14:44:57	kode54	you can pick any openjdk jre you need
2024-09-19 14:44:59	kode54	let me see
2024-09-19 14:45:05	kode54	which minecraft would you like to install?
2024-09-19 14:45:08	kode54	latest?
2024-09-19 14:45:09	alwyn	aye jre 21 should work fine
2024-09-19 14:45:17	kode54	yeah, jre 21 for latest
2024-09-19 14:45:29	alwyn	I tried 22 with 1.21 which is not yet supported though seems to work fine
2024-09-19 14:45:33	kode54	some old crap required 16 or even 8
2024-09-19 14:45:45	alwyn	yeahhhhhhh haha
2024-09-19 14:46:03	kode54	it lets you pick the runtime to use per instance you install
2024-09-19 14:46:05	alwyn	There's another game I play(ed) that up until quite recently still shipped with jre 7(!)
2024-09-19 14:46:07	kode54	also
2024-09-19 14:46:14	kode54	if you're on a wayland session
2024-09-19 14:46:53	kode54	there's two different glfw forks on the AUR
2024-09-19 14:47:04	kode54	for wayland
2024-09-19 14:47:23	kode54	you can install one and instruct prismlauncher to use glfw from the system instead of the bundled one
2024-09-19 14:49:02	alwyn	kode54: I am, is there a notable difference between them? I did install the glfw package
2024-09-19 14:49:10	another|	well, jre-openjdk-headless does not provide java-runtime. If your package requires that, you'll need to install a full jre
2024-09-19 14:49:19	another|	or maybe build your own
2024-09-19 14:49:32	kode54	another|: they weren't aware how java interacted with a Qt app
2024-09-19 14:49:50	kode54	in this case, the Qt app doesn't require it, except to launch minecraft instances
2024-09-19 14:50:00	kode54	so it needs a full runtime
2024-09-19 14:50:06	another|	that's one possible conclusion
2024-09-19 15:49:53	pulec	what is the ideal setting/option in /etc/fstab to not check if drive is mounted? just remove 'nofail'?
2024-09-19 15:50:21	pulec	oh wait I had nofail removed and it halted on it, not it
2024-09-19 15:53:03	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-19 16:16:10	astralc	maybe something with noauto and x-systemd.. stuff?
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2024-09-19 17:13:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-19 17:14:56	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-19 18:02:45	shalok	Is there some kind of trick to making Firefox use a specific application by default to open a particular scheme?
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2024-09-19 18:04:15	gehidore	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_MIME_Applications
2024-09-19 18:04:16	phrik	Title: XDG MIME Applications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-19 18:04:17	shalok	Every time it opens a tel: URL I tell it to use Google Voice and check the "Always use this application to open tel links" but nevertheless the next time it always asks me again.
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2024-09-19 18:17:27	novns	another big GNOME update
2024-09-19 18:17:49	jelle	another?
2024-09-19 18:17:55	novns	there were befire
2024-09-19 18:17:58	novns	*before
2024-09-19 18:18:03	novns	let's see what gets broken now 
2024-09-19 18:18:12	teraflops	yeah 47 comes after 46
2024-09-19 18:18:20	jelle	not really, gnome is released every 6 months
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2024-09-19 18:21:28	teraflops	novns: honestly not so many changes at least visually
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2024-09-19 18:21:56	teraflops	ofc 3rd party extensions won't work
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2024-09-19 18:26:52	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-19 18:26:52	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1420 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1419 regular)
2024-09-19 18:26:52	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-19 18:28:44	novns	teraflops, some gtk2 apps have lost their theme
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2024-09-19 18:29:09	novns	but all extensions work, nothing is broken
2024-09-19 18:29:17	teraflops	freon broke here
2024-09-19 18:29:24	teraflops	Ill wait for an update
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2024-09-19 18:30:04	teraflops	I do not have any gtk2 apps to test
2024-09-19 18:30:27	novns	the only gtk2 app is hexchat here
2024-09-19 18:30:32	teraflops	novns: which terminal client do you use?
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2024-09-19 18:31:17	novns	good old gnome-terminal, and guake, they are both VTE
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2024-09-19 18:32:12	shalok	gehidore: I think the problem is that firefox ignores the "Always open" flag for urls specified on the command line. That flag only affects URLs opened from within firefox.
2024-09-19 18:32:13	teraflops	this one is very good: Ptyxis
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2024-09-19 18:33:04	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-19 18:33:04	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1421 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1420 regular)
2024-09-19 18:33:04	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-19 18:34:06	shalok	And even then the flag doesn't actually make firefox immediately open using the selected application, it merely changes the confirmation prompt to use the selected application.
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2024-09-19 18:36:22	shalok	As best as I can tell, firefox doesn't provide a mechanism to immediately open a URL with an external application.
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2024-09-19 18:40:22	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-19 18:40:23	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-19 18:46:27	Fingel	Beware anyone updating to GNOME 47, there appears to be a bug in the vulkan rendering implementation in some GTK apps
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2024-09-19 18:57:55	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-19 18:57:55	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1420 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1419 regular)
2024-09-19 18:56:22	_ngn	pulec: nofail means "do not report errors for this device if it does not exist" (man fstab)
2024-09-19 18:56:44	pulec	that's what I need then
2024-09-19 18:56:50	pulec	too lazy today
2024-09-19 18:56:53	pulec	thanks
2024-09-19 18:58:03	_ngn	if you are using systemd i think you also need the x-systemd.device-timeout=0 too
2024-09-19 18:57:55	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-19 18:58:14	_ngn	or systemd will wait for a certain amount of time for the device to show up, until it gives up
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2024-09-19 19:00:23	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-19 19:03:08	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-19 19:09:59	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-19 19:48:24	ℹ 	docmax_ es conocido ahora como docmax
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2024-09-19 20:23:55	Vorpal	It seems there is a new /etc/makepkg.conf.d with e.g. rust.conf in it. How does this interact with using makepkg --config some-non-default.conf? I use this to build AUR packages for different x86-64 feature levels, including rust packages
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2024-09-19 20:24:05	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-19 20:24:25	Vorpal	It seems there is a new /etc/makepkg.conf.d with e.g. rust.conf in it. How does this interact with using makepkg --config some-non-default.conf? I use this to build AUR packages for different x86-64 feature levels, including rust packages
2024-09-19 20:24:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-19 20:27:24	sibyla	how to find out optional deps of a package after installing?
2024-09-19 20:28:21	thingfish	hello folks, new/fresh install here, seeing what is I think a memory leak, probably in gnome-shell.
2024-09-19 20:28:34	espresso	sibyla: pacman -Qi package ?
2024-09-19 20:28:39	gehidore	sibyla pacman -Qi... espresso 
2024-09-19 20:28:42	espresso	hehe
2024-09-19 20:28:44	gehidore	:)
2024-09-19 20:28:46	thingfish	I'm watching my RAM fill up as we speak.
2024-09-19 20:28:58	◣	Alqiwa (~Alqiwa@user/Alqiwa) ha salido (Quit: Alqiwa)
2024-09-19 20:29:00	gehidore	thingfish filling up with what?
2024-09-19 20:29:17	thingfish	gehidore: I don't know, I'm looking at gnome-system-monitor
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2024-09-19 20:29:19	thingfish	and top
2024-09-19 20:29:37	gehidore	both of those I believe can tell you what's using the memory, is it actual mem use or caches?
2024-09-19 20:29:50	gehidore	I haven't touched gnome in a very very long time so i've no idea what the base consumption should look like
2024-09-19 20:30:36	sibyla	damn somehow lxmusic package doesnt have it in -Qi
2024-09-19 20:30:59	thingfish	says 'Memory 7.0 GB (42.3%) of 16.7 GB -- Cache 7.4 GB'.  The cache stays the same, the other part is already up to 7.5 GB.
2024-09-19 20:31:02	gehidore	if it's not causing issues thingfish 
2024-09-19 20:31:08	gehidore	sibyla there are no optdeps for that
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2024-09-19 20:31:26	gehidore	it was probably an optdep of gtk3, libnotify, or xmms2 
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2024-09-19 20:31:35	gehidore	whatever it is that you're looking for
2024-09-19 20:31:39	gehidore	oy xmms is still a thing?
2024-09-19 20:31:40	sibyla	oh oh ok
2024-09-19 20:31:57	gehidore	thingfish are you hitting oom or having slow downs?
2024-09-19 20:32:10	gehidore	ram use isn't a bad thing until you start having those things imho
2024-09-19 20:32:16	gehidore	you've got the stuff... use it :)
2024-09-19 20:32:47	thingfish	gehidore: no, not so far.
2024-09-19 20:32:58	thingfish	this is not normal behavior.
2024-09-19 20:33:16	gehidore	I've heard there was a new gnome release so it's entirely possible it had issues
2024-09-19 20:33:21	thingfish	yes
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2024-09-19 20:33:27	gehidore	too many people saying it didn't which doesn't track historically with gnome releases :P
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2024-09-19 20:39:15	novns	I'm kind of happy with 47.  didn't find anything bad after hours of usage
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2024-09-19 21:02:13	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-19 21:02:13	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1418 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1417 regular)
2024-09-19 21:02:13	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-19 21:25:09	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-19 21:15:30	thingfish	at this point, I think the RAM devouring issue I'm seeing is actually misbehaving gnome-system-monitor.
2024-09-19 21:16:02	thingfish	closing it, reopening it seems to "reset" the RAM usage.
2024-09-19 21:24:04	sibyla	worst thing about arch is if you dont have swap and run out of memory system locks up
2024-09-19 21:25:10	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-19 21:26:07	sibyla	my mom uses gnome too
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2024-09-19 21:31:04	nerdistmonk	So today's upgrades hosed my system
2024-09-19 21:31:45	jelle	in what way
2024-09-19 21:32:16	nerdistmonk	as in pacman no longer exists, and I am stuck with a non-booting system with an incomplete upgrade
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2024-09-19 21:33:08	jelle	live cd time
2024-09-19 21:33:15	nerdistmonk	yeah that accomplished nothing
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2024-09-19 21:33:39	ℹ 	dontdieych2_ es conocido ahora como dontdieych2
2024-09-19 21:33:50	Namarrgon	What accomplished nothing?
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2024-09-19 21:34:09	nerdistmonk	pacstrap can't reinstall pacman, arch-chroot is worthless because there is no pacman
2024-09-19 21:34:24	Namarrgon	What errors do you get from pacstrap?
2024-09-19 21:34:26	◣	topcat001 (~topcat001@user/topcat001) ha salido (Quit: Client closed)
2024-09-19 21:34:39	Namarrgon	debugging 101... and stuff...
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2024-09-19 21:35:56	nerdistmonk	could not open file /mnt/var/lib/pacman/local/pacman-7.0.0.r3.g7736133-1/desc: NO such file or directory
2024-09-19 21:36:17	Namarrgon	Did the system crash during the update?
2024-09-19 21:36:40	nerdistmonk	the upgrade failed, i guess because pacman magically vanished
2024-09-19 21:36:52	◣	sibyla (~sibyl@91.93.173.55) ha salido (Quit: WeeChat 4.4.2)
2024-09-19 21:36:52	Namarrgon	Is your cachedir symlinked?
2024-09-19 21:37:09	Namarrgon	Touch the desc file, try again.
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2024-09-19 21:37:38	mechap	hey I am having problems with discord and pipewire
2024-09-19 21:37:54	mechap	I can't share my audio or screen
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2024-09-19 21:45:01	◥	teraflops (~teraflops@weechat.al.andal.us) has joined #archlinux
2024-09-19 21:45:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-19 21:45:01	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1421 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1420 regular)
2024-09-19 21:43:11	nerdistmonk	Live! live! come on little fella! It LIVES!
2024-09-19 21:43:58	nerdistmonk	Namarrgon thankyou so very much, it lives.
2024-09-19 21:44:07	nerdistmonk	had to touch desc and "files"
2024-09-19 21:44:14	Namarrgon	Is your cachedir symlinked?
2024-09-19 21:44:25	nerdistmonk	you mean /var/cache?
2024-09-19 21:44:38	nerdistmonk	no it's not
2024-09-19 21:44:41	Namarrgon	Anything in the path of /var/cache/pacman/pkg
2024-09-19 21:45:28	nerdistmonk	pkg and sync are linked to another disk
2024-09-19 21:45:29	toys	alad: the conf I used was /usr/share/devtools/pacman.conf.d/extra.conf, and it was me who tried updating it with DownloadUser thinking that it's required
2024-09-19 21:45:01	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-19 21:45:03	toys	wrong #
2024-09-19 21:45:27	espresso	mechap: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Discord documents some things, alternatives, etc.. Also reading of a 'discord-screenaudio' package
2024-09-19 21:45:28	phrik	Title: Discord - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-19 21:45:31	Namarrgon	nerdistmonk: What is "sync"?
2024-09-19 21:45:54	nerdistmonk	var/lib/pacman/sync = repository updates (the yy part of the pacman command)
2024-09-19 21:46:00	Namarrgon	nerdistmonk: Do not symlink the pacman cache, either edit the path in pacman.conf or use a bind-mount.
2024-09-19 21:46:02	mechap	espresso: also tried that fork
2024-09-19 21:46:07	mechap	but it didn't work
2024-09-19 21:46:12	mechap	the issue is not limited to discord
2024-09-19 21:46:17	mechap	obs also can't capture my audio
2024-09-19 21:46:22	nerdistmonk	why was it a problem just now though? it worked fine for months
2024-09-19 21:46:27	Namarrgon	nerdistmonk: In general, do not symlink any pacman managed directories.
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2024-09-19 21:46:37	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-19 21:46:38	Namarrgon	nerdistmonk: Because now you had to update pacman.
2024-09-19 21:46:39	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-19 21:46:51	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-19 21:46:51	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1421 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1420 regular)
2024-09-19 21:47:08	Namarrgon	nerdistmonk: Because now you had to update pacman.
2024-09-19 21:46:53	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-19 21:47:00	nerdistmonk	(adds this stuff to his admin book)
2024-09-19 21:47:00	Namarrgon	pacman uninstalled the pacman package, removed the symlink, and then couldn't find the new package.
2024-09-19 21:47:13	nerdistmonk	but the symlinks were still there in the rescue disk
2024-09-19 21:47:15	nerdistmonk	it didn't
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2024-09-19 21:47:27	Namarrgon	Then it will fail in the future.
2024-09-19 21:47:34	nerdistmonk	I had to manually remove them myself so the rescue disk could recreate sync
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2024-09-19 21:47:42	espresso	mechap: ahh, ok.. Hm, maybe this is helpful? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2196212#p2196212
2024-09-19 21:47:43	phrik	Title: Having trouble Screensharing in Hyprland / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-09-19 21:48:25	◣	multi8 (~dark@user/multi8) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-09-19 21:48:47	mechap	the issue seems to also occur on x11 :/
2024-09-19 21:48:59	mechap	and yes I tried with xdg-desktop-portal-hyprland
2024-09-19 21:49:02	mechap	(on hyprland)
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2024-09-19 21:51:45	mechap	alr it seems to work with vesktop for whatever reason
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2024-09-20 11:21:01	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-20 14:58:27	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-20 14:00:42	The-Compiler	huh, I'm confused... I thought I sent a mail to accountsupport@archlinux.org for a GitLab account, but my mail client shows nothing
2024-09-20 14:01:06	The-Compiler	I'm assuming those are answered within a few days at most? If so, I suppose that mail never was actually sent for whatever reason
2024-09-20 14:02:16	jelle	it goes through gitlab servicedesk so lemme check
2024-09-20 14:02:59	The-Compiler	should be from me@the-compiler.org
2024-09-20 14:04:00	jelle	I see nothing from the-compiler, can you retry sendnig hmm
2024-09-20 14:04:30	The-Compiler	probably my fault, I use a very WIP mail client (https://github.com/akissinger/dodo/)
2024-09-20 14:05:25	The-Compiler	jelle: sent again now
2024-09-20 14:05:27	jelle	ofcourse it uses pyqt :-)
2024-09-20 14:05:30	The-Compiler	hehe
2024-09-20 14:05:37	The-Compiler	it's the qutebrowser of mail clients for me
2024-09-20 14:05:48	jelle	The-Compiler: received 
2024-09-20 14:06:33	jelle	I don't have the time to create the account and will be busy the coming days so it might take a few days
2024-09-20 14:06:37	The-Compiler	no worries
2024-09-20 14:07:03	The-Compiler	I found a packaging bug, but nothing urgent (just a missing dep)
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2024-09-20 15:51:35	aGa5	during an update, my pacman cache got wiped. i also don't have access to pacman. on reboot, i lost initrd. right now i'm arch-chroot /mnt 'd, what should i do now, pacstrap, pacman --root, --sysroot, etc.? i need a working system before i can figure out what's wrong (i only have a pacman hook running paccache on uninstalled packages)
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2024-09-20 15:52:06	Scimmia	aGa5: let me guess, you replaced /var/cache/pacman with a symlink?
2024-09-20 15:52:06	aGa5	(pacman command not found)
2024-09-20 15:52:59	Scimmia	Anyway, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman#Manually_reinstalling_pacman
2024-09-20 15:53:00	phrik	Title: pacman - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-20 16:05:47	ℹ 	laniakea7 es conocido ahora como laniakea
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2024-09-20 16:11:57	nwildner	Last time I've had one of those dead end scenarios I ended up doing a:  pacman -S --root=/mnt base libxml2 --overwrite 
2024-09-20 16:11:57	ℹ 	felixonmars_ es conocido ahora como felixonmars
2024-09-20 16:12:10	nwildner	--overwrite '*' 
2024-09-20 16:13:38	nwildner	had to do that because nvidia panicked during installs on 550 and 555..... Did that from the liveusb befure the arch-chroot. If you have something already installed, pacstrap will complain and not overwrite(and I found no flags for that on pacstrap) 
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2024-09-20 16:25:44	aGa5	 i don't have /mnt/var/lib/pacman: `pacman-static --root=/mnt /base linux`: "failed to initialize alpm library: (root: /mnt, dbpath: /mnt/var/lib/pacman/)" 
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2024-09-20 16:30:20	nwildner	you have to do that outside of the arch-chroot, directly with pacman provided at the live usb
2024-09-20 16:30:33	nwildner	after mounting/mapping your disks(luks, lvm, etc) 
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2024-09-20 16:34:10	astralc	so where it pacman sync db disappear into?
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2024-09-20 16:34:53	gehidore	Canada
2024-09-20 16:35:05	teraflops	it vanished as /var/lib/pacman was a symlink?
2024-09-20 16:36:01	Scimmia	more likely they're getting confused on where they're running things. pacman-static *and* --root=/mnt?
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2024-09-20 16:42:16	aGa5	sorry for late replies. i just realized yes, i had mv'd /var/cache/pacman and /var/lib/docker to ~/data about a year ago because i kept running out of space. what caused my breakge in this update though? do i simply move the cache back, do an update on the full system, then reboot?
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2024-09-20 16:42:44	aGa5	symlinked them 
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2024-09-20 18:38:56	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-20 18:38:47	popsch	I even get a core dump with /usr/lib/seahorse/ssh-askpass
2024-09-20 18:38:56	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-20 18:39:38	⚡ 	Warepire still uses lightdm
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2024-09-20 18:39:59	Warepire	Which dms are the recommended ones for Xorg these days?
2024-09-20 18:40:10	teraflops	I have same version a nothing segfaults popsch 
2024-09-20 18:40:18	popsch	very strange
2024-09-20 18:40:31	teraflops	local/adwaita-icon-theme-legacy 46.2-3
2024-09-20 18:40:50	popsch	This is the error I get: https://0bin.net/paste/05xzAKT8#RzRvuGFRUs7Pz7EYkq+ykCiKHCcy6L6s1-+HEzYMtyF
2024-09-20 18:40:52	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/X3Db.txt
2024-09-20 18:40:52	phrik	Title: 0bin - encrypted pastebin (at 0bin.net)
2024-09-20 18:41:15	◣	lacrymology (~lacrymolo@37.223.75.164) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2024-09-20 18:42:24	popsch	Ok. Reinstalling librsvg-2:2.59.0-1 fixed it.
2024-09-20 18:42:30	popsch	This is really strange.
2024-09-20 18:42:51	teraflops	well, at least you found the culprit
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2024-09-20 18:43:36	demonicmaniac1	popsch: sounds like you had an issue rebuilding gtk icon cache and reinstalling librsvg simply caused the hook to run
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2024-09-20 18:44:27	teraflops	that is a good theory
2024-09-20 18:44:47	popsch	Ok. let me logout and see whether things are working. Is this channel logged somewhere so  I can see messages in between?
2024-09-20 18:44:58	teraflops	nope
2024-09-20 18:44:59	popsch	(meaning messages while I'm offline?
2024-09-20 18:45:03	popsch	ok
2024-09-20 18:45:05	popsch	gone
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2024-09-20 18:48:13	popsch	ok. things are working, and I'm now using gdm. So whatever.
2024-09-20 18:48:54	⚡ 	teraflops uses gdm too
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2024-09-20 18:56:53	Amnesia	question, once my laptop resumes from suspend mode; my keyboard stops working
2024-09-20 18:57:25	Amnesia	I'm using tlp / seatd / sway; is there anyone who's familiar with this behaviour? or at least has any idea what could be the root cause of it?
2024-09-20 18:58:15	Namarrgon	And if you leave out seatd?
2024-09-20 18:58:32	Weirdbeardgame	Hey, hey how's it going guys 
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2024-09-20 18:59:35	Amnesia	Namarrgon: never knew that was an option :D
2024-09-20 18:59:49	Amnesia	(when sway is used)
2024-09-20 18:59:51	Weirdbeardgame	Who do I message if I have a pending Request on an AUR package?
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2024-09-20 19:00:00	popsch	Amnesia, I had similar problems: you have to exclude USB in TLP
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2024-09-20 19:00:29	Amnesia	popsch: with || without seatd?
2024-09-20 19:00:34	Amnesia	cause when I was using Xorg; all was fine
2024-09-20 19:00:37	popsch	I haven't used seatd
2024-09-20 19:00:44	Amnesia	ack
2024-09-20 19:00:45	Namarrgon	Amnesia: Since you brought up seatd i assumed that you did something out of the usual with it.
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2024-09-20 19:01:13	popsch	I had some problem where I thought my system froze, but in fact it was only the keyboard getting put into a weird powersavings mode from which it didn't recover.
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2024-09-20 19:03:57	Amnesia	gonna give those two things a shot
2024-09-20 19:04:00	Amnesia	thanks a million guys <3
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2024-09-20 19:08:10	teraflops	huh tlp conflicts with power profiles daemon
2024-09-20 19:08:43	gehidore	don't they both manage at least some of the same things?
2024-09-20 19:09:17	teraflops	not sure enough
2024-09-20 19:10:27	Amnesia	teraflops: I'm not using the power profiles daemon afaik
2024-09-20 19:11:50	teraflops	but if you usde tuned/tuned-ppd you can install tlp
2024-09-20 19:11:56	teraflops	use^
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2024-09-20 19:13:40	demonicmaniac1	it's always a recipe for disaster if you have multiple power management things installed constantly messing with each other
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2024-09-20 19:14:01	teraflops	yeah I wonder if it's just a package mistake
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2024-09-20 19:14:27	teraflops	because tuned-ppd is a drop-in replacement of ppd afaik
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2024-09-20 19:30:01	MisterEsse	I am manually compiling a new version of the linux-libre kernel. I cannot generate a initramfs. I have compiled the kernel with everything embbeded. I need help to generate a initramfs. Here is my errors: https://0x0.st/X3D2.txt .
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2024-09-20 19:30:06	Namarrgon	Is this on arch? Where is that PKGBUILD from?
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2024-09-20 19:30:39	MisterEsse	Namarrgon: I am on arch, and there is no PKGBUILD for linux-libre.
2024-09-20 19:31:06	Scimmia	of course there is
2024-09-20 19:31:08	Namarrgon	So you're manually building the kernel?
2024-09-20 19:31:11	MisterEsse	I can give you a PKGBUILD from other free distros.
2024-09-20 19:31:22	Scimmia	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/linux-libre
2024-09-20 19:31:25	MisterEsse	Namarrgon: yes. With all modules embbeded.
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2024-09-20 19:31:57	MisterEsse	thanks Scimmia. Will look at it afterwards.
2024-09-20 19:32:20	Namarrgon	Did you install the rest of the modules into the system?
2024-09-20 19:32:34	MisterEsse	I think the problem is that I have embbeded all modules. And mkinitcpio -p linux-libre-vanilla-lts is giving me that error.
2024-09-20 19:32:54	◣	l4yer (~l4yer@user/l4yer) ha salido (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2024-09-20 19:32:58	MisterEsse	I am not sure.
2024-09-20 19:33:15	Scimmia	do you need an initramfs?
2024-09-20 19:33:19	MisterEsse	I have done `make` and `make install` on linux=libre.
2024-09-20 19:33:27	astralc	what happen if you make module_install?
2024-09-20 19:33:27	Namarrgon	Your mkinitcpio.conf probably tells mkinitcpio to add a bunch of modules to the initramfs.
2024-09-20 19:33:42	MisterEsse	Scimmia: that is the doubt that I have. Do I need an initramfs?
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2024-09-20 19:34:09	Namarrgon	If your /-fs is on a plain fs then you probably don't need one.
2024-09-20 19:34:15	Scimmia	If you need lvm/luks/etc, then yes. Otherwise probably not
2024-09-20 19:34:36	MisterEsse	Namarrgon: will look at it.
2024-09-20 19:34:50	Namarrgon	What happens with "--kernel none"?
2024-09-20 19:34:54	MisterEsse	Scimmia: I don't have those. Just a "plain" system.
2024-09-20 19:35:07	MisterEsse	Namarrgon: will try now.
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2024-09-21 15:37:28	LimeOn	jelle: seems to perform better than the xephyr approach because the mouse works, but still no fullscreen xD
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2024-09-21 15:39:16	jelle	LimeOn: gamescope?
2024-09-21 15:39:25	jelle	LimeOn: what DE/WM?
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2024-09-21 15:47:53	LimeOn	oh, i solved it jelle
2024-09-21 15:48:04	LimeOn	thanks a lot for the suggestion, working now 😄
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2024-09-21 16:53:48	birdnest	hey everyone, there's a serious issue with the gdk-pixbuf lib after a recent update, i have put information about it here https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=299605
2024-09-21 16:53:50	phrik	Title: xfce4 panel is acting weird, please help. / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-09-21 16:53:53	birdnest	it includes a fix also
2024-09-21 16:54:00	birdnest	The file /usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-svg.so does not exist as that name. It does however exist as /usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader_svg.so. The difference is _ and -.
2024-09-21 16:54:06	birdnest	So it seems lightdm or anything that depends on this library, I assume most gdk things will be completely broken until it can find the correct libpixbufloader_svg.so
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2024-09-21 17:00:59	ℹ 	Tema establecido por phrik (~phrik@phrik.archlinux.org) el sáb, 13 jul 2024 16:47:58
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2024-09-21 17:01:01	ℹ 	Modo #archlinux [+Cnrt]
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2024-09-21 17:05:17	birdnest	sad that thread is under attack by trolls
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2024-09-21 17:08:00	eyeoh	nsfw, goatse I see
2024-09-21 17:08:40	eyeoh	and sorted
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2024-09-21 17:09:09	Scimmia	birdnest: saw that earlier with someone else, they had a corrupt librsvg
2024-09-21 17:09:16	teraflops	yep
2024-09-21 17:09:22	mefistofeles	ugh, yeah... I wonder why they haven't removed it if the user seems to be banned now
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2024-09-21 17:09:31	teraflops	birdnest: reinstall it
2024-09-21 17:09:42	birdnest	teraflops, i just did a symlink and it is fine
2024-09-21 17:09:51	birdnest	the file itself seems fine, just the name has changed
2024-09-21 17:09:58	birdnest	so anything that depends on it, it cannot find it
2024-09-21 17:10:00	teraflops	dont do that
2024-09-21 17:10:03	birdnest	i udpated the thread with more info on that
2024-09-21 17:10:16	birdnest	so if i update again now it will be fixed?
2024-09-21 17:10:37	birdnest	i could have renamed the actual file but i wasn't sure why it had changed or if anything new would depend on it
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2024-09-21 17:11:12	teraflops	birdnest: reinstall extra/librsvg
2024-09-21 17:12:06	teraflops	I dont think simlinking libraries is a good fix 
2024-09-21 17:12:14	birdnest	teraflops, sorry same issue. it still has the incorrect filename libpixbufloader_svg.so
2024-09-21 17:12:17	birdnest	yes i totally agree teraflops 
2024-09-21 17:12:29	birdnest	i had done this after wasting 3 hours and just happy it is working for now
2024-09-21 17:12:46	birdnest	https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/librsvg/-/issues/1075 this is related
2024-09-21 17:12:48	phrik	Title: 2.58.90: -/_ switch in the name of the pixbuf loader? (#1075) · Issues · GNOME / librsvg · GitLab (at gitlab.gnome.org)
2024-09-21 17:13:03	birdnest	i don't think the library itself is corrupted, it just has a different filename
2024-09-21 17:14:32	birdnest	i could revert back a version and it will have the correct filename
2024-09-21 17:14:56	Scimmia	and according to that link, the filename makes no difference
2024-09-21 17:15:02	birdnest	it was pretty intense, it somehow broke my system update, lightdm would not start so i rebooted and all the kernels are gone
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2024-09-21 17:15:33	birdnest	Scimmia, for xfce4 half it would not start as it could not find libpixbufloader-svg.so
2024-09-21 17:15:48	birdnest	because it was changed to libpixbufloader_svg.so
2024-09-21 17:15:52	birdnest	it also affected lightdm
2024-09-21 17:15:58	Scimmia	just run gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders
2024-09-21 17:16:20	Scimmia	a hook likely does that and that's why reinstalling librsvg fixed it for someone earlier
2024-09-21 17:16:29	birdnest	ahh
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2024-09-21 17:16:41	birdnest	i know for certain my system update for some reason died half way through, hence no kernels or anything
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2024-09-21 17:17:22	birdnest	Scimmia, i can see the output of the file, is it supposed to go somewhere? it just output to std
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2024-09-21 17:17:32	birdnest	sorry output of gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders
2024-09-21 17:17:43	Scimmia	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/gdk-pixbuf2/-/blob/main/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders.hook?ref_type=heads
2024-09-21 17:17:44	phrik	Title: gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders.hook · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / gdk-pixbuf2 · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-09-21 17:17:45	birdnest	i will remove the symlink now and see what happens
2024-09-21 17:18:07	Scimmia	there's the hook that didn't get run on your system because of the crash, and the command you'd want to run yourself
2024-09-21 17:18:23	birdnest	great
2024-09-21 17:18:42	birdnest	i will update the thread after this
2024-09-21 17:19:12	Scimmia	on crashed updates, always reinstall all packages that were part of that update
2024-09-21 17:19:26	birdnest	yes i've done that a couple of times, it was the first thing i did
2024-09-21 17:19:34	birdnest	oh wait sorry
2024-09-21 17:19:36	birdnest	i get you now
2024-09-21 17:19:59	birdnest	is ther an easy way to get a list of packages?
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2024-09-21 17:20:16	teraflops	pacman log
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2024-09-21 17:25:43	birdnest	thanks i got a list of packages
2024-09-21 17:26:17	Scimmia	If the list is too large, it's sometimes easier to just reinstall all packages
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2024-09-21 17:27:09	birdnest	the interesting thing is that lightdm had broke during the update
2024-09-21 17:27:15	birdnest	which is what made me reboot
2024-09-21 17:27:29	birdnest	i have the sym link removed i'll reboot
2024-09-21 17:28:11	Scimmia	you updated the loader cache *after* removing the symlink, right?
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2024-09-21 17:30:43	birdnest	Scimmia, yes and also upgraded all packages
2024-09-21 17:30:47	birdnest	happy to say it is all good now
2024-09-21 17:30:49	birdnest	thank you for the support
2024-09-21 17:30:56	birdnest	i will update the thread incase anyone else has the same issue
2024-09-21 17:31:01	Scimmia	glad to hear that's all it was
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2024-09-21 17:36:45	birdnest	ok the post is updated, thanks again
2024-09-21 17:36:59	birdnest	i think that problem might get a few people
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2024-09-21 17:45:22	birdnest	ahh
2024-09-21 17:45:27	birdnest	now one of my nvme drives is
2024-09-21 17:45:29	birdnest	.. gone
2024-09-21 17:45:29	birdnest	lol
2024-09-21 17:45:40	birdnest	nothing was lost though
2024-09-21 17:45:45	birdnest	weird
2024-09-21 17:49:16	eyeoh	gone in what way?
2024-09-21 17:53:01	birdnest	eyeoh, it is okay now, it just wasn't in /dev/ at all and it couldn't be seen, but i checked the bios and it was there and booted in and it's okay now
2024-09-21 17:53:20	birdnest	hopefully that's it for this year and computer fixing lol
2024-09-21 17:55:16	eyeoh	I just finished migrating from ext4 to btrfs so am about 100x more familiar with drives than I was last month
2024-09-21 17:55:31	eyeoh	was it an error on your part or,?
2024-09-21 17:55:56	birdnest	eyeoh, i have no idea why or how it had happened to be honest
2024-09-21 17:56:23	eyeoh	if it's encrypted, it'll likely appear in /dev/mapper after unlocking. but before that, it appears in /dev
2024-09-21 17:56:49	eyeoh	that tends to be 90% of my confusion with 'missing drive' stuff
2024-09-21 17:56:50	birdnest	yes, it wasn't even in dev to unlock
2024-09-21 17:57:04	birdnest	it appeared after a reboot so that works for me
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2024-09-22 16:12:47	lolok	totally worth it
2024-09-22 16:12:56	BrainDamage	jack was invented to solve 2 problems: route audio from one program to the other without distinction between hw or sw which is your problem, and the other problem it tries to solve is that it works under deterministic latency which actually makes it rather complicated to use and setup
2024-09-22 16:13:23	lolok	yea i looked at jack and flinched
2024-09-22 16:13:30	BrainDamage	pipewire offers the first, and does a good-effort at the 2nd
2024-09-22 16:13:40	BrainDamage	which is a tolerable compromise for most
2024-09-22 16:13:48	lolok	is this possible in pw?
2024-09-22 16:14:03	BrainDamage	yes, pipewire offers both a jack and pulse and alsa interface
2024-09-22 16:14:26	BrainDamage	and in the jack interface you can route audio from one program to another
2024-09-22 16:14:42	lolok	specifically tho hook a module load on stream creation
2024-09-22 16:14:58	lolok	is that possible?
2024-09-22 16:15:39	lolok	having each stream go to its own maximizer vs having them all go to one is very a different sound
2024-09-22 16:20:24	BrainDamage	at least with jack, I can tell you how to patchwork is together with scripting
2024-09-22 16:20:41	BrainDamage	but it won't be triviall
2024-09-22 16:21:27	eyeoh	ah yes, jack
2024-09-22 16:21:38	BrainDamage	you can use jack_evmon to monitor for clients being created, and then spawn ladspa host for each you need
2024-09-22 16:21:55	lolok	so, jack it is, i always knew that it would end like this...
2024-09-22 16:21:57	BrainDamage	and you'll need to use jack_connect to plumb them into eachother
2024-09-22 16:22:38	BrainDamage	well, the jack api of pipewire should suffice
2024-09-22 16:22:44	BrainDamage	you don't need jack the daemon
2024-09-22 16:23:23	BrainDamage	... assuming that pipewire's jack implementation is feature complete
2024-09-22 16:23:47	eyeoh	"feature complete" sounds like a bad word :p
2024-09-22 16:23:55	lolok	assuming im on pw too, lol, im not im on pa
2024-09-22 16:24:44	eyeoh	so yeah I remembered pipewire but forgot that one of its reasons for existence was being able to do some of the things jack can, but for normies
2024-09-22 16:25:00	eyeoh	(relatively speaking)
2024-09-22 16:25:34	eyeoh	do not do this. https://i.imgur.com/EImUjLN.png there's no point. (move partition left by 1MB)
2024-09-22 16:26:34	lolok	i guess i finally gotta dump pa either way; been a few years since i treid pw, so hopefully the issue i had with it is resolved
2024-09-22 16:26:55	lolok	tho i have half a mind to go full jack since i gotta suffer anyway
2024-09-22 16:27:23	BrainDamage	pulse alongside/on top of jack is extra complexity, even more than jack alone
2024-09-22 16:27:35	BrainDamage	as if jack by itself was not hard enough
2024-09-22 16:27:42	BrainDamage	and I know because I have that setup
2024-09-22 16:28:04	eyeoh	I still say check out what the dedicated distros are doing and see whether what they've implemented is smart
2024-09-22 16:28:15	eyeoh	and then work from there
2024-09-22 16:28:16	lolok	is pw+jack just as bad?
2024-09-22 16:28:37	BrainDamage	pw offers a jack api, you don't need jack the daemon with pw
2024-09-22 16:29:12	lolok	which is easier to configure?
2024-09-22 16:29:36	lolok	jack vs jack+pw?
2024-09-22 16:30:28	lolok	[where jack+pw is jack api in pw]
2024-09-22 16:30:53	lolok	actually better question...
2024-09-22 16:31:21	lolok	does jack have a pw/pa api?
2024-09-22 16:32:06	lolok	since if i gotta run pw anyway then ill chose that pw with jack api
2024-09-22 16:33:46	BrainDamage	call the daemon jackd, to avoid confusion
2024-09-22 16:33:55	BrainDamage	jackd does not offer any api other than jack
2024-09-22 16:34:39	lolok	ah i see the confusion now lol 'jack' *is* the api
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2024-09-22 16:35:02	lolok	that makes sense, ok, since i need pa api than i need pa or pw but if i use pw than i dont also need jack so pw is the answer
2024-09-22 16:35:18	lolok	jackd*
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2024-09-22 16:37:18	lolok	ok lemme run thru pw setup and see of i dont break anything i have already
2024-09-22 16:39:02	eyeoh	narrator: stuff will break
2024-09-22 16:39:45	lolok	if my sound drivers are still borked im gonna throw something its been like 2 or 3 years
2024-09-22 16:44:11	eyeoh	you'll be fine so long as you start with low expectations and know how to roll back changes
2024-09-22 16:44:30	eyeoh	and then figure out a way to go a step at a time
2024-09-22 16:44:55	lolok	pulsemixer dont work with pw?
2024-09-22 16:45:02	lolok	or is it just broken
2024-09-22 16:45:12	BrainDamage	it should work
2024-09-22 16:45:20	BrainDamage	just not see all the features
2024-09-22 16:45:37	lolok	Failed to connect to pulseaudio: Connection refused
2024-09-22 16:46:00	lolok	maybe i need to relogin?
2024-09-22 16:46:08	mefistofeles	lolok: do you have pipewire-pulse installed?
2024-09-22 16:47:28	lolok	ah i knew i was forgetting something when pw installed without removing pa
2024-09-22 16:51:03	lolok	ok got that to run but now only dummy output...
2024-09-22 16:51:36	BrainDamage	you need to kill pa first or it'll keep hold of the hw
2024-09-22 16:54:55	lolok	done, and restarted pw. now says 'no data' in pulsemixer
2024-09-22 16:56:55	lolok	yea i think i need to relogin
2024-09-22 16:56:58	lolok	brb
2024-09-22 17:00:43	lolok	lol somehow i had wireplumber service masked
2024-09-22 17:01:05	lolok	ok got sound!
2024-09-22 17:01:23	lolok	my defualt.pa didnt exec tho
2024-09-22 17:08:18	lolok	does pw not import pa configs automagically? idk why but, i thought it did that...
2024-09-22 17:15:23	eyeoh	2024-09-21 22:00:19 <Murray7501> eyeoh: the fear of suddent death is a bit spooky
2024-09-22 17:15:30	eyeoh	also covered by https://btrfs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Hardware.html#solid-state-drives-ssd "The observations of failing SSDs show that the whole electronic fails at once or affects a lot of data (e.g. stored on one chip)."
2024-09-22 17:15:31	phrik	Title: Hardware considerations — BTRFS documentation (at btrfs.readthedocs.io)
2024-09-22 17:15:50	eyeoh	oops, murray gone
2024-09-22 17:16:12	eyeoh	maybe I'll be an old man when my 850 EVO finally carks it
2024-09-22 17:16:16	eyeoh	that would be something
2024-09-22 17:17:52	eyeoh	I'm almost tempted to see what used SSDs from ebay are like
2024-09-22 17:18:23	eyeoh	like what if they're just MS Word/Excel SSDs?
2024-09-22 17:18:29	eyeoh	can't imagine too many TBWs
2024-09-22 17:19:08	eyeoh	except the prices I'm seeing on used are so bad
2024-09-22 17:20:27	lolok	actually, i dont need the old conf anyway i guess... the whole point of this is to do something it couldnt
2024-09-22 17:20:48	eyeoh	old confs are only useful to read off and copy from
2024-09-22 17:21:09	eyeoh	unless the new system you're setting up is predictably the same
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2024-09-22 17:22:47	demonicmaniac1	controller death is far more likely especially on older ssds where the controller didn't actually throttle itself and they ran at 100+C overclocked
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2024-09-22 17:23:14	demonicmaniac1	sandforce were notorious for having their controllers overheat and die and you can buy like 1000 packs of broken sandforce 2 ssds on ebay
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2024-09-22 17:27:23	eyeoh	mine sits at about 38°C
2024-09-22 17:28:08	eyeoh	hmm another internet outage
2024-09-22 17:28:09	demonicmaniac1	all modern ssds throttle hard unless they have huge heatsinks and airflow over them
2024-09-22 17:28:21	demonicmaniac1	usually around the 80c mark
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2024-09-22 17:32:45	gehidore	I'd rather see throttling than data loss
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2024-09-22 17:35:31	demonicmaniac1	for sure
2024-09-22 17:37:04	lolok	did you have an example for jack config in pw BrainDamage? it seems to be a totally different beast than it was a few years ago and i never even touched the jack side of things... just glad i havent had any crackling sounds yet
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2024-09-22 17:41:19	eyeoh	yay my internet is back
2024-09-22 17:41:29	eyeoh	unplanned maintenance; but at least they had a status page update
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2024-09-22 18:44:41	eyeoh	Soni: I think it's just /etc/systemd/system.conf https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/227017/how-to-change-systemd-service-timeout-value
2024-09-22 18:44:43	phrik	Title: centos - How to change systemd service timeout value? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2024-09-22 18:45:01	eyeoh	if you're referring to that 1m 30s wait during boot if stuff breaks
2024-09-22 18:45:10	eyeoh	o
2024-09-22 18:45:30	eyeoh	ah
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2024-09-22 19:08:26	tomma365	hey I'm having issues with gamescope on arch, regardless of what game i play my fps drops to around 15 after 20 ish minutes of playing with gamescope. I'm on plasma using wayland with nvidia
2024-09-22 19:09:06	gehidore	have you checked things like temps and mem usage?
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2024-09-22 19:11:23	tomma365	yeah, temps seem to remain around the same and memory usage also doesnt increase a drastic amount
2024-09-22 19:13:13	another|	isn't netctl deprecated?
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2024-09-22 19:18:06	eyeoh	tomma365: wayland + nvidia sounds like a bad recipe...
2024-09-22 19:18:17	eyeoh	worth trying X11?
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2024-09-22 19:19:15	eyeoh	although the full benefits aren't realised unless you use the binaries too; which come with their own risk in terms of breaking during uninstall/install
2024-09-22 19:19:58	eyeoh	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Gamescope#Requirements "Requirements: NVIDIA: proprietary drivers"
2024-09-22 19:19:59	phrik	Title: Gamescope - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-22 19:21:10	eyeoh	hmm there's this https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GDM#Wayland_and_the_proprietary_NVIDIA_driver
2024-09-22 19:21:11	phrik	Title: GDM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-22 19:21:27	eyeoh	maybe that's a better path
2024-09-22 19:21:53	tomma365	I'm using nvidia-open-dkms right now, and i think i need to use wayland so i can screenshare with audio using a custom discord fork
2024-09-22 19:21:59	eyeoh	I'm honestly not prepared to touch wayland at all just yet
2024-09-22 19:22:15	eyeoh	I thought wayland is harder to share stuff with?
2024-09-22 19:22:38	eyeoh	it's X11 that doesn't care about how you share stuff around
2024-09-22 19:23:30	eyeoh	nvidia-open-dkms doesn't sound like it fits gamescope's requirements
2024-09-22 19:23:56	eyeoh	which card is it?
2024-09-22 19:23:58	tomma365	my understanding was nvidia was moving to the open drivers or something like that?
2024-09-22 19:23:58	espresso	there are Wayland screensharing solutions, though I'm unfamiliar with them. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Screen_capture#Screencasting
2024-09-22 19:23:59	phrik	Title: Screen capture - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-22 19:24:03	tomma365	1660 super
2024-09-22 19:25:03	eyeoh	yes, it's possible to share screens on wayland, but it's more an exception rather than norm
2024-09-22 19:25:12	eyeoh	on xorg, the security is more lax and you can basically do anything
2024-09-22 19:25:28	espresso	well maybe it's a possibility in your case?  the Wayland paths I'm familiar with seemed rather smooth. nvidia prop driver. KDE 6 and now Sway
2024-09-22 19:25:38	eyeoh	but with wayland it's more restrictive. and that also applies to nvidia's performance if you don't use the binary drivers in most cases
2024-09-22 19:26:01	eyeoh	sorry let me backtrack a bit to check what the main issue is
2024-09-22 19:26:09	eyeoh	17:08:26 <tomma365> hey I'm having issues with gamescope on arch, regardless of what game i play my fps drops to around 15 after 20 ish minutes of playing with gamescope. I'm on plasma using wayland with nvidia
2024-09-22 19:26:13	eyeoh	low fps is the issue, yeah?
2024-09-22 19:26:17	espresso	ah thanks
2024-09-22 19:26:20	eyeoh	not the screen sharing stuff
2024-09-22 19:27:33	eyeoh	my suggestion (not without risk) is to see how you go with the nvidia binaries for gaming
2024-09-22 19:27:45	eyeoh	and I'm fairly sure the discord fork should work in xorg too? or no?
2024-09-22 19:28:49	espresso	discord should work with X/xwayland. that fps issue sounds a little like one I had with Vulkan on Wayland and nvidia prop.
2024-09-22 19:28:56	eyeoh	yeah
2024-09-22 19:29:29	eyeoh	how to troubleshoot it neatly..
2024-09-22 19:30:16	eyeoh	https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/zto7c6/what_is_the_effective_difference_between_nvidia/
2024-09-22 19:30:23	espresso	(but Vulkan support in this app is new, so likely the app) in my case, I could switch to GL that did not have the issue.
2024-09-22 19:30:51	eyeoh	the common wisdom is that if you use nvidia for gaming, you best rely on the binaries via your distro (*not* via nvidia's website - avoid that)
2024-09-22 19:31:08	eyeoh	if you don't game; then whatever goes.
2024-09-22 19:31:08	tomma365	i just use pacman for everything
2024-09-22 19:31:24	tomma365	so switch to normal nvidia and see if that fixes it?
2024-09-22 19:31:44	eyeoh	and be prepared to recover from a failed boot
2024-09-22 19:31:58	eyeoh	can never be sure with nvidia
2024-09-22 19:32:16	lolok	nomodeset maybe your best friend
2024-09-22 19:32:17	espresso	nvidia prop seem about as well-behaved as ever, at least here..
2024-09-22 19:32:26	eyeoh	generally if you follow the uninstall and install steps correctly, and everything builds properly before you reboot, it should be fine
2024-09-22 19:32:44	eyeoh	most of my issues in the past have been from /boot being too small
2024-09-22 19:33:05	eyeoh	which necessitated removing an older kernel thing first
2024-09-22 19:33:10	tomma365	yeah I've been having to go into a tty to update drivers, otherwise my terminal crashes mid build and makes me go into an arch usb
2024-09-22 19:33:42	eyeoh	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA/Troubleshooting
2024-09-22 19:33:43	phrik	Title: NVIDIA/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-22 19:33:52	lolok	if you use grub you dont need to put your kernels on the esp
2024-09-22 19:34:14	eyeoh	my /boot used to be 250MB and /boot/efi was 512MB
2024-09-22 19:34:25	eyeoh	250MB hardly fit 3 kernels
2024-09-22 19:34:32	eyeoh	until I used zstd compression
2024-09-22 19:34:49	eyeoh	I was on gzip for a while since I installed this (Debian) in 2020
2024-09-22 19:35:00	tomma365	I'll give the normal nvidia drivers a try and hope for the best 
2024-09-22 19:35:03	tomma365	thank you :)
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2024-09-22 19:34:40	eyeoh	and if /boot runs out of space during a kernel upgrade, nvidia won't build properly
2024-09-22 19:34:42	lolok	gl
2024-09-22 19:35:08	eyeoh	nearly every nvidia issue is a common issue that's fixable; but it's tricky if you're new to it
2024-09-22 19:35:16	eyeoh	so just stating that caveat
2024-09-22 19:35:50	eyeoh	but fast forward to now, my /boot is now 512MB after rejigging my partitions and filesystems :)
2024-09-22 19:36:04	eyeoh	oh the luxury of having 3 kernels installed
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2024-09-22 19:39:12	lolok	you have /boot /boot/efi and / all as different partitions? is there some advantage to that? why not have /boot on the / partition if your setup doesnt require it in the esp?
2024-09-22 19:39:35	eyeoh	I can answer this, I think
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2024-09-22 19:39:42	⚡ 	eyeoh thinks
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2024-09-22 19:40:13	eyeoh	ok so as far as my ThinkPad goes, that one dual boots Windows, and a separate large EFI is important
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2024-09-22 19:41:09	eyeoh	on desktop; that one has never had windows. but interestingly, EFI is also there - because Debian defaults to creating it if you select "use whole disk"
2024-09-22 19:41:54	lolok	i get the purpose of the esp but why is a seperate /boot important?
2024-09-22 19:41:56	eyeoh	I don't really question it
2024-09-22 19:42:02	eyeoh	oh right
2024-09-22 19:42:44	eyeoh	separate boot is simpler to deal with as far as the installer goes. and on dual boots, it's also needed for grub to savedefault properly since that won't work with btrfs
2024-09-22 19:43:01	eyeoh	and either way I like to keep my setups similar
2024-09-22 19:43:19	eyeoh	but my desktop already happened to have both a separate EFI and boot, so I kept it that way too
2024-09-22 19:43:31	lolok	ah btrfs thats why bc i dont think it would matter if it was ext3
2024-09-22 19:45:31	eyeoh	well either way, the debian installer nudges you towards a separate /boot and efi
2024-09-22 19:45:32	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-22 19:45:38	eyeoh	it's a bit confusing at times
2024-09-22 19:45:43	eyeoh	I understand it a lot better now though
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2024-09-22 19:47:23	lolok	lol tbh when i install debian, the first thing i do is exec a shell and make the partitions manually, then start the installer and chose manual to mount them myself
2024-09-22 19:47:43	eyeoh	yeah the advanced install is much easier, actually
2024-09-22 19:47:52	eyeoh	but takes more time to read; heh
2024-09-22 19:48:09	lolok	debian installer is quite nice in general but nothing gonna make exactly what i want automatically
2024-09-22 19:48:14	◣	Juest (~Juest@user/Juest) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-09-22 19:48:15	eyeoh	the only thing the default install is good for is for clean drives, "single partition"
2024-09-22 19:48:29	eyeoh	nah it's honestly bad. ubuntu's is a lot more logical
2024-09-22 19:48:37	eyeoh	and fedora's is okay
2024-09-22 19:49:08	ℹ 	Juesto es conocido ahora como Juest
2024-09-22 19:49:12	eyeoh	but that's all water under the bridge; I'm a lot more familiar with it now after the past several months
2024-09-22 19:50:46	eyeoh	the funniest one is wifi setup is attempted /before/ binary drivers are installed
2024-09-22 19:50:47	eyeoh	and skipping that part is unintuitive
2024-09-22 19:50:47	lolok	hard disagree there, the only advantage of ubuntu is out can do OEM style install easy, any other way debian takes me half the time, and that only works if i can pawn the final setup on someone else, which is rare
2024-09-22 19:50:47	eyeoh	and then there's also the "insert CD" dialog for additional stuff, which should be answered no to
2024-09-22 19:50:47	lolok	is it* can do
2024-09-22 19:50:47	Strykar	firefox on amdgpu crashing system so hard it resets with "amdgpu: GCVM_L2_PROTECTION_FAULT_STATUS:0x00501430" - https://bpa.st/GPQRK
2024-09-22 19:50:47	eyeoh	I'm not comparing ubuntu's installer to debian's advanced one.
2024-09-22 19:50:47	phrik	Title: View paste GPQRK (at bpa.st)
2024-09-22 19:50:47	eyeoh	I'm comparing it to the not advanced debian installer
2024-09-22 19:51:17	lolok	ive only ever used debian text mode installer tbh the graphical one confuses me
2024-09-22 19:51:21	Namarrgon	Strykar: igpu?
2024-09-22 19:51:27	Strykar	Namarrgon: yes
2024-09-22 19:52:04	eyeoh	lolok: I'm precisely talking about the graphical installer
2024-09-22 19:52:20	eyeoh	it's worse than ubuntu's graphical one by a lot
2024-09-22 19:52:32	eyeoh	doesn't really matter though; it's all about skill issue
2024-09-22 19:52:41	eyeoh	I can drive either one now
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2024-09-22 19:53:54	eyeoh	Strykar: is this the first time that's happened?
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2024-09-22 19:54:32	eyeoh	my first thought is if it's hardware or software
2024-09-22 19:55:05	eyeoh	and if it's just that version of firefox
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2024-09-22 19:55:41	Thorne	Hey guys. So I have this NVME SSD inside a USB enclosure I've been using to boot from an old laptop. I got a new laptop and I try to boot from it I get this. https://paste.rs/ZPenq.txt ..  Now I guess it's probably because the new laptop assigned UUIDs differently maybe.  But how do I keep using this same SSD to boot from different laptops in this case?
2024-09-22 19:55:43	phrik	Title: Source Code | ZPenq | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-09-22 19:56:21	Strykar	nah, third time I think, having tons of FF tabs triggers it, can't reproduce at will
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2024-09-22 19:57:11	gehidore	UUID is attached to the disk not based on where the disk is plugged in
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2024-09-22 19:57:30	Thorne	Oh. How come I'm getting this in only the new laptop
2024-09-22 19:58:17	gehidore	in that emergency shell do you see hte nvme device?
2024-09-22 19:58:39	Thorne	Yes I did
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2024-09-22 19:59:41	eyeoh	does blkid work from the shell?
2024-09-22 19:59:49	mefistofeles	Thorne: you can also double check the UUID using a live OS or something like that
2024-09-22 19:59:54	gehidore	was wondering the same if it's even available to whatever emergency shell is
2024-09-22 19:59:55	lolok	this is why i use labels over uuids wherever i can
2024-09-22 19:59:58	Thorne	blkid did yes
2024-09-22 19:59:59	gehidore	^
2024-09-22 20:00:24	eyeoh	is "/dev/disk/by-uuid/f2" the correct format? I don't know arch
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2024-09-22 20:00:41	Thorne	gehidore,  Shouldn't it detect anyway because the Arch is in the SSD
2024-09-22 20:01:05	Thorne	The new laptop doesn't have any Linux installed in the internal disk
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2024-09-22 20:01:15	gehidore	UUID's should *not* change, however, PARTUUID's and LABEL's have shown to be more reliable in my experience
2024-09-22 20:01:46	Thorne	mefistofeles, check for?
2024-09-22 20:01:50	gehidore	firmware seeing enough of a disk to get you loading an initramfs doesn't mean the initramfs has the correct drivers to see the disk after handover
2024-09-22 20:02:02	mefistofeles	Thorne: that the UUIDs match (they shold, but just saying if you want to double check)
2024-09-22 20:02:06	mefistofeles	should*
2024-09-22 20:02:13	gehidore	I am curious if they match
2024-09-22 20:02:23	lolok	this ^ did you make a fallback initramfs
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2024-09-22 20:02:39	lolok	if you did try booting with that it includes more drivers
2024-09-22 20:02:39	Thorne	I am actually logged in from that disk right now. From the old laptop
2024-09-22 20:02:54	gehidore	woops
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2024-09-22 20:03:22	gehidore	make a fallback image if you don't have one already, try it in the new machine with the fallback and if you get dropped to recovery again pull the uuid from blkid
2024-09-22 20:03:34	eyeoh	wait that paste says resume device... resume from - hibernation?
2024-09-22 20:03:52	◣	dontdieych2 (~a@user/dontdieych2) ha salido (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2024-09-22 20:04:36	lolok	yes tho afaik you still get that message when not resuming
2024-09-22 20:05:12	gehidore	yeah the resume hook complaining, but that shouldn't be fatal, the next unable to mount new_root was the death of it
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2024-09-22 20:05:58	Thorne	My fstab if any help
2024-09-22 20:05:59	Thorne	https://paste.rs/F8E5E.txt
2024-09-22 20:06:00	phrik	Title: Source Code | F8E5E | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-09-22 20:06:19	◣	knidos (~knidos@212.252.119.74) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-09-22 20:07:18	gehidore	not really
2024-09-22 20:07:24	gehidore	since fstab isn't even related to what's going on
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2024-09-22 20:07:44	lolok	yea make a fallback or boot one if you already have that should include all the drivers
2024-09-22 20:07:49	gehidore	kernel cmdline is but you still need to test fallback image and pull blkid from rescue shell if possible
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2024-09-22 20:09:55	Thorne	Let me try that guys. Thanks for the assist
2024-09-22 20:10:08	Thorne	I got something else to take care of now. Be back in a bit
2024-09-22 20:10:10	lolok	actually... do you intend to use this drive on both machines regularly? because you should just change your default initramfs settings to do what fallback does anyway in that case
2024-09-22 20:10:51	eyeoh	any encryption on this and is there any chance that /etc/crypttab is playing a role?
2024-09-22 20:11:09	Namarrgon	Strykar: There was a thread on the bbs about the recent streak of issues with amd igpus but i can't find it again.
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2024-09-22 20:13:01	Strykar	Namarrgon: aw? I'll look for it, cheers
2024-09-22 20:13:06	lolok	well if its bringing the system down you know its at the kernel level and those things happen especially the heisenbugs but eventually theyll get ironed out i would guess he has a relatively modern system
2024-09-22 20:13:27	lolok	amd gpu team is good for that
2024-09-22 20:13:35	eyeoh	Strykar: is it okay for me to suggest OneTab
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2024-09-22 20:16:25	◣	th3r00t (~th3r00t@user/th3r00t) ha salido (Quit: Lost terminal)
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2024-09-22 20:16:39	Thorne	Back
2024-09-22 20:16:41	Thorne	You guys were right. Selecting fallback worked.
2024-09-22 20:16:43	◣	|AhIoRoS| (~|AhIoRoS|@190.140.130.52) ha salido (Quit: |AhIoRoS|)
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2024-09-22 20:16:59	Thorne	What can I do now to make it normal behaviour?
2024-09-22 20:17:29	lolok	what tool created your inirtamfs?
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2024-09-22 20:18:48	Strykar	eyeoh: no :(
2024-09-22 20:18:56	Thorne	mkintcpio?
2024-09-22 20:19:04	eyeoh	Strykar: are you at the 1000+ tabs level?
2024-09-22 20:19:14	lolok	mkinitcpio and dracut are popular, whichever you use, the answer will be in its conf
2024-09-22 20:19:43	Thorne	it is the same
2024-09-22 20:19:53	Thorne	mkinitcpio
2024-09-22 20:19:58	Thorne	oki
2024-09-22 20:20:31	Strykar	eyeoh: lol no, 30-40 on avg. 80-100 on bad days
2024-09-22 20:20:44	lolok	i think you remove the autodetect hook
2024-09-22 20:20:53	lolok	double check that
2024-09-22 20:21:15	lolok	or just yolo it lol
2024-09-22 20:21:07	eyeoh	Strykar: hmm, that's not really that many tabs - a bit unlucky it should give you crashes
2024-09-22 20:21:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-22 20:21:17	Strykar	exactly
2024-09-22 20:21:22	eyeoh	which firefox?
2024-09-22 20:22:02	Strykar	extra/firefox
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2024-09-22 20:22:50	lolok	`pacman -Q firefox`
2024-09-22 20:23:20	◣	dontdieych2 (~quassel@user/dontdieych2) ha salido (Client Quit)
2024-09-22 20:23:36	eyeoh	I would expect 130.0.1-1 to be stable enough but who knows these days with browsers... they're practically operating systems
2024-09-22 20:24:35	lolok	lol im gonna close some tabs if he says 130.0.1-1
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2024-09-22 20:25:31	eyeoh	tabs of research?
2024-09-22 20:25:32	eyeoh	lol
2024-09-22 20:25:49	lolok	yea im still not configured pw properly
2024-09-22 20:26:43	lolok	hows your 1mb left shift?
2024-09-22 20:26:47	eyeoh	lmao
2024-09-22 20:26:51	eyeoh	omg please don't
2024-09-22 20:27:09	lolok	im fuckin dyin
2024-09-22 20:27:13	eyeoh	5h 44m remaining; 866GB copied
2024-09-22 20:27:14	eyeoh	lol
2024-09-22 20:27:18	eyeoh	this is the worst idea ever
2024-09-22 20:27:41	eyeoh	but you haven't heard the kicker:
2024-09-22 20:27:55	eyeoh	the 1MB shift... still leaves 1MB unused to the left of that
2024-09-22 20:28:04	eyeoh	cause it was 2MB unallocated.
2024-09-22 20:28:08	eyeoh	but I can only move it 1MB left
2024-09-22 20:28:27	lolok	give it to the esp
2024-09-22 20:28:29	eyeoh	I'll confirm when it's done if there's still a gap
2024-09-22 20:28:30	eyeoh	lol
2024-09-22 20:29:17	lolok	that *should* be your leftmost partition anyway
2024-09-22 20:29:19	eyeoh	I started the operationo without a second thought and then realised it wasn't kidding about it taking a long time
2024-09-22 20:29:35	lolok	oh if you mean the 1mb gap you still cant really write there in esp afaik
2024-09-22 20:29:36	eyeoh	no efi on this one :p - it's just an aux drive, in my PC
2024-09-22 20:29:51	lolok	than yea thats the mbr gap i think
2024-09-22 20:30:00	eyeoh	D;
2024-09-22 20:30:40	eyeoh	Strykar: I do wonder if firefox-esr would give you the same troubles
2024-09-22 20:30:49	eyeoh	depending on how frequent these crashes are... could be worth testing
2024-09-22 20:31:02	eyeoh	esr is at version 128; not far behind
2024-09-22 20:31:22	lolok	do they conflict?
2024-09-22 20:31:41	eyeoh	not on debian nor macos
2024-09-22 20:32:21	eyeoh	the program name is firefox-esr and not firefox
2024-09-22 20:32:42	eyeoh	I know some other combinations can conflict
2024-09-22 20:32:55	Thorne	All fixed now. Thanks again people.
2024-09-22 20:33:35	eyeoh	I only play chess on firefox-esr because a) I have fewer tabs opened there and b) I trust it to be more stable
2024-09-22 20:34:13	eyeoh	speaking of stability, oof: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/33626
2024-09-22 20:34:15	phrik	Title: Since 256, suspend fails over 50% of the time: Freezing user space processes failed · Issue #33626 · systemd/systemd · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-09-22 20:35:59	lolok	idk i love firefox but its bloated enuf i only need one copy lol
2024-09-22 20:36:29	eyeoh	I have multiple browsers mainly so I can offload when needed lol
2024-09-22 20:36:47	eyeoh	so Edge (yes) for youtube and media; meaning I can restart other browsers without interruption
2024-09-22 20:37:15	eyeoh	and Firefox main for browsing and Firefox ESR for more some dedicated tasks (including troubleshooting that requires frequent reboots)
2024-09-22 20:37:20	lolok	you can play youtube directly in mpv or vlc
2024-09-22 20:37:25	eyeoh	yeah nah
2024-09-22 20:37:26	lolok	most media streams
2024-09-22 20:37:30	eyeoh	I know I can; but don't.
2024-09-22 20:39:05	lolok	what did you agree to their terms of service or something?
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2024-09-22 20:46:23	lolok	lol i know mpv can be a bit obtuse but vlc is very usable tbh
2024-09-22 20:46:23	eyeoh	what's your 'workflow' with youtube and mpv? you browse youtube, then copy the link?
2024-09-22 20:46:23	◥	pi3ce (~quassel@113.161.33.68) has joined #archlinux
2024-09-22 20:46:23	eyeoh	no, mpv is better than vlc
2024-09-22 20:46:27	eyeoh	I very much do use it; but not for youtube
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2024-09-22 20:46:55	eyeoh	what problems am I solving by using mpv to watch youtube?
2024-09-22 20:47:05	lolok	mostly i use yd-dlp to do the searching, you can get it to output json, which you can pars easly with jq
2024-09-22 20:47:17	lolok	saving half your ram
2024-09-22 20:47:17	eyeoh	that doesn't sound appealing to me
2024-09-22 20:47:24	eyeoh	RAM is fine
2024-09-22 20:47:33	lolok	i mean its quite a bit faster on my system
2024-09-22 20:47:51	eyeoh	which bit is faster?
2024-09-22 20:48:02	lolok	especially if my browser isnt open
2024-09-22 20:48:22	lolok	i can listen to music and restart my desktop
2024-09-22 20:48:35	eyeoh	my "youtube browser" is quick to load cause there's not much else it has open
2024-09-22 20:48:40	lolok	and it keeps playing while x dies and is reborn
2024-09-22 20:49:07	eyeoh	I use i3
2024-09-22 20:49:30	lolok	i dont always start a graphical session
2024-09-22 20:49:36	eyeoh	I do
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2024-09-22 20:51:54	lolok	ok i got one for you anyway. do you like music? what genre?
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2024-09-22 20:55:37	⚡ 	mefistofeles suggests avoiding the offtopic channel :P 
2024-09-22 20:55:59	lolok	i mean its a script i was just gonna put his genra in the line
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2024-09-22 20:56:10	mefistofeles	lolok: yeah, but it is offtopic either way
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2024-09-22 20:56:48	lolok	he asked what advantage mpv has, thats perfectly on topic, ill show it can do something useful that cant be done in browser
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2024-09-23 10:58:06	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1399 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1398 regular)
2024-09-23 10:58:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-23 11:11:03	nigetilly	has does one .....do this
2024-09-23 11:11:07	nigetilly	To enable it, set the modeset=1 kernel module parameter for the nvidia_drm module. 
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2024-09-23 11:11:51	Erus_Iluvatar	nigetilly: either in /etc/modprobe.d/ or with the kernel command line (through your boot loader)
2024-09-23 11:12:29	nigetilly	so i open the modprobe.d file ...and change it to 1
2024-09-23 11:13:40	teraflops	nigetilly: which file? you usually have to create it
2024-09-23 11:13:46	nigetilly	i have a modprobe.d folder
2024-09-23 11:13:53	teraflops	yeah
2024-09-23 11:13:57	◣	levitating (~levitatin@user/levitating) ha salido (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2024-09-23 11:13:58	nigetilly	and i create a file 
2024-09-23 11:14:02	teraflops	ok
2024-09-23 11:14:13	nigetilly	what is the file name
2024-09-23 11:14:20	Erus_Iluvatar	nigetilly: nvidia_drm.modeset=1 nvidia_drm.fbdev=1 in the file
2024-09-23 11:14:26	teraflops	whatever you want
2024-09-23 11:14:31	nigetilly	ok
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2024-09-23 11:14:42	teraflops	pro tip: make the name descriptive
2024-09-23 11:14:56	nigetilly	modeset?
2024-09-23 11:14:58	◥	arcturus (~arcturus@user/arcturus) has joined #archlinux
2024-09-23 11:15:38	nigetilly	just one other quick thing..
2024-09-23 11:15:42	teraflops	nvidia.conf or similar
2024-09-23 11:15:50	⚡ 	Erus_Iluvatar would use nvidia-drm.conf
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2024-09-23 11:16:01	nigetilly	the folder is lock should i access it through terminal
2024-09-23 11:16:30	Erus_Iluvatar	yeah, that folder is owned by root
2024-09-23 11:16:58	nigetilly	so i have to be root user?
2024-09-23 11:17:38	sweatiest	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_module#Setting_module_options
2024-09-23 11:17:39	phrik	Title: Kernel module - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-23 11:19:09	nigetilly	ok getting there lol
2024-09-23 11:19:17	nigetilly	sorry still learning
2024-09-23 11:19:38	teraflops	or use sudo
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2024-09-23 11:23:21	⚡ 	Erus_Iluvatar hints to sudoedit
2024-09-23 11:24:10	teraflops	doesnt sudoedit only work if you have $EDITOR set?
2024-09-23 11:25:35	nigetilly	ok
2024-09-23 11:25:45	nigetilly	i done this 
2024-09-23 11:25:47	nigetilly	nvidia_drm.modeset=1 nvidia_drm.fbdev=1
2024-09-23 11:25:52	nigetilly	to the file
2024-09-23 11:26:02	teraflops	ah it defaults to vi when no EDITOR is set
2024-09-23 11:26:24	nigetilly	i used nano
2024-09-23 11:26:28	Erus_Iluvatar	nano is fine
2024-09-23 11:26:46	nigetilly	so if i update the driver i should be ok now ?
2024-09-23 11:27:03	Erus_Iluvatar	you also have to follow https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Mkinitcpio#BINARIES_and_FILES
2024-09-23 11:27:04	phrik	Title: mkinitcpio - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-23 11:27:16	Erus_Iluvatar	the kernel module will not pick up the options early enough otherwise
2024-09-23 11:27:38	nigetilly	ok going there now
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2024-09-23 11:28:31	Erus_Iluvatar	once you have added your .conf file in the FILES section of your mkinitcpio.conf, rebuild your initramfs (with `mkinitcpio -P` as root)
2024-09-23 11:29:27	teraflops	nigetilly: and last step https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#pacman_hook
2024-09-23 11:29:29	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-23 11:29:42	Erus_Iluvatar	ty teraflops, almost missed that
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2024-09-23 11:30:14	teraflops	;)
2024-09-23 11:31:09	nigetilly	so i need to add...
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2024-09-23 11:31:51	nigetilly	nvidia-drm.conf to the mkinitcpio.conf file by writing ..
2024-09-23 11:32:12	◣	eirik__ (~eirik@84.208.214.155) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2024-09-23 11:32:17	teraflops	nope
2024-09-23 11:32:32	nigetilly	oh
2024-09-23 11:33:00	Erus_Iluvatar	the whole path is needed
2024-09-23 11:33:17	teraflops	nigetilly: https://bepasty.priet.us/ovRcjtif/+inline
2024-09-23 11:33:31	Erus_Iluvatar	and, just to make sure while we're in mkinitcpio.conf, you have " nvidia nvidia_modeset nvidia_uvm nvidia_drm " in the MODULES array
2024-09-23 11:33:37	teraflops	except amdgpu that is for my machine
2024-09-23 11:34:02	nigetilly	FILES=(/etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-drm.conf)
2024-09-23 11:34:11	nigetilly	..FILES=(/etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-drm.conf)
2024-09-23 11:34:12	Erus_Iluvatar	teraflops: both are needed, the conf file is required if he's not passing the module options through his boot loader
2024-09-23 11:34:18	nigetilly	opps sorry
2024-09-23 11:34:20	◣	noone (~six@user/six) ha salido (Quit: nyaa~)
2024-09-23 11:34:31	Erus_Iluvatar	nigetilly: yes, then the MODULES as teraflops beat me to :P
2024-09-23 11:34:32	teraflops	Erus_Iluvatar: in FILES?
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2024-09-23 11:34:55	Erus_Iluvatar	teraflops: yes, the conf file tells mkinitcpio to add the modprobe file in the initramfs files
2024-09-23 11:35:13	teraflops	ah ok
2024-09-23 11:35:26	nigetilly	ok ill add that line
2024-09-23 11:35:27	nigetilly	brb
2024-09-23 11:35:32	Erus_Iluvatar	it's either that or editing your boot loader options to have the .modeset=1 etc...
2024-09-23 11:36:12	teraflops	aaah that is why i do not have the file, I do the bootloader option
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2024-09-23 11:37:58	Erus_Iluvatar	teraflops: at some point in ended with "options root=UUID=de31e697-14e5-4533-acc1-eb5eac77833b resume=UUID=de31e697-14e5-4533-acc1-eb5eac77833b resume_offset=48478208 ro quiet udev.log_level=3 module_blacklist=radeon,amdgpu nvidia_drm.modeset=1 nvidia_drm.fbdev=1 nvidia.NVreg_PreserveVideoMemoryAllocations=1 nvidia.NVreg_TemporaryFilePath=/var/tmp ec_sys.write_support=1" and I was like NOPE
2024-09-23 11:37:59	nigetilly	im adding that line to mkiniticpio.d
2024-09-23 11:38:13	nigetilly	is that right?
2024-09-23 11:38:39	Erus_Iluvatar	mkinitcpio.conf
2024-09-23 11:38:46	Erus_Iluvatar	not conf.d/something
2024-09-23 11:38:46	nigetilly	arhh ok
2024-09-23 11:38:51	◣	Fhraze (~Fhraze@user/Fhraze) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2024-09-23 11:38:55	nigetilly	thank you
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2024-09-23 11:40:34	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1401 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1400 regular)
2024-09-23 11:40:44	nigetilly	do i need to remove t he hashtag on "files"
2024-09-23 11:41:46	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-23 11:41:46	jclsn	Is it possible that the current PAN GlobalProtect plugin for NetworkManager is broken?
2024-09-23 11:41:46	◥	monRAAARGH (~monr0e@mail.vixen.international) has joined #archlinux
2024-09-23 11:42:09	teraflops	nigetilly: is files line commented out?
2024-09-23 11:42:19	nigetilly	https://i.imgur.com/W1uSrUU.png
2024-09-23 11:42:22	jclsn	Ah I guess the plugin is for openconnect
2024-09-23 11:42:31	◣	arcturus (~arcturus@user/arcturus) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-09-23 11:42:56	teraflops	remove the empty one
2024-09-23 11:43:01	nigetilly	ok
2024-09-23 11:43:11	teraflops	only one FILES line can be there
2024-09-23 11:43:17	nigetilly	ok
2024-09-23 11:43:21	◣	Santzes (~Santzes@2403:6200:8000:51:4d53:46cb:a572:7555) ha salido (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2024-09-23 11:43:25	grawity	jclsn: broken in what sense?
2024-09-23 11:44:07	nigetilly	oh have to start again
2024-09-23 11:44:09	nigetilly	lol
2024-09-23 11:44:12	nigetilly	fotgot to sudo in
2024-09-23 11:44:57	Erus_Iluvatar	and MODULES=(nvidia nvidia_modeset nvidia_uvm nvidia_drm) too
2024-09-23 11:45:10	teraflops	nigetilly: before running mkinitcpio -P paste your mkinicpio.conf 
2024-09-23 11:46:16	jclsn	grawity: When trying to connect, I am getting 
2024-09-23 11:46:24	jclsn	Failed to parse XML server response
2024-09-23 11:46:26	jclsn	Failed to complete authentication
2024-09-23 11:46:28	jclsn	Y
2024-09-23 11:46:41	jclsn	With the GUI client I can login though
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2024-09-23 11:47:32	grawity	is it one of those VPNs that use web auth?
2024-09-23 11:47:39	grawity	https://gitlab.com/openconnect/openconnect/-/merge_requests?scope=all&state=all&label_name[]=protocol%3A%3AGlobalProtect
2024-09-23 11:47:41	phrik	Title: Merge requests · OpenConnect VPN projects / OpenConnect · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
2024-09-23 11:47:47	◣	aziz (~Thunderbi@176.55.28.174) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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2024-09-23 11:47:50	grawity	implies that portal auth is not supported yet
2024-09-23 11:47:57	Erus_Iluvatar	nigetilly: also, please avoif pictures of text, send the file through https://bpa.st/
2024-09-23 11:48:00	phrik	Title: Create new paste (at bpa.st)
2024-09-23 11:48:05	nigetilly	https://i.imgur.com/mPtvEX2.png
2024-09-23 11:48:08	◥	Fhraze (~Fhraze@user/Fhraze) has joined #archlinux
2024-09-23 11:48:10	Erus_Iluvatar	:D
2024-09-23 11:48:13	teraflops	hehe
2024-09-23 11:48:15	nigetilly	oh shit
2024-09-23 11:48:18	nigetilly	sorry
2024-09-23 11:48:21	teraflops	!paste
2024-09-23 11:48:23	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-09-23 11:48:30	Erus_Iluvatar	no worries, for the next time :P
2024-09-23 11:48:35	Erus_Iluvatar	this looks good to me
2024-09-23 11:49:00	nigetilly	ok saving
2024-09-23 11:49:15	nigetilly	done :)
2024-09-23 11:49:21	Erus_Iluvatar	now you can run `mkinitcpio -P` as root
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2024-09-23 11:49:52	nigetilly	..sudo run mkinitcpio -P
2024-09-23 11:50:03	nigetilly	i need to run that now?
2024-09-23 11:50:05	Erus_Iluvatar	without the run :P
2024-09-23 11:50:10	◥	arcturus (~arcturus@user/arcturus) has joined #archlinux
2024-09-23 11:50:13	Erus_Iluvatar	and yes, now is the time
2024-09-23 11:50:19	nigetilly	ok
2024-09-23 11:50:20	teraflops	and last step is the pacman hook
2024-09-23 11:50:22	nigetilly	hehehe
2024-09-23 11:50:48	Erus_Iluvatar	just to make sure, you have the linux kernel, not linux-lts, and the nvidia package installed
2024-09-23 11:51:19	nigetilly	i did get this alone the way..
2024-09-23 11:51:41	nigetilly	https://bpa.st/EALSA
2024-09-23 11:51:45	phrik	Title: View paste EALSA (at bpa.st)
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2024-09-23 11:53:10	jclsn	grawity: There is a MFA from Microsoft between there. It also shows the output SAML REDIRECT authentication is required via https://login.microsoftonline.com/......
2024-09-23 11:53:18	teraflops	nigetilly:  what is the output of: pacman -Qsq nvidia ?
2024-09-23 11:53:43	jclsn	but then it fails and doesn't open a browser popup or anything
2024-09-23 11:53:49	nigetilly	libvdpau
2024-09-23 11:53:57	◣	raym (~ray@user/raym) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2024-09-23 11:53:58	teraflops	just that?
2024-09-23 11:54:02	nigetilly	correct
2024-09-23 11:54:02	Erus_Iluvatar	huh, so you need to install the nvidia package first then
2024-09-23 11:54:06	teraflops	heh
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2024-09-23 11:54:45	nigetilly	if i try to install the package first ...it goes kapoot
2024-09-23 11:54:56	nigetilly	im guessing it may work now?
2024-09-23 11:54:58	Erus_Iluvatar	hmm, what exactly happens
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2024-09-23 11:55:33	nigetilly	super super large screen size cursor as 400% larger
2024-09-23 11:55:48	nigetilly	screeen so large you cant even see a icon
2024-09-23 11:56:22	teraflops	nigetilly: do you have an xorg.conf file?
2024-09-23 11:56:38	nigetilly	ill check
2024-09-23 11:57:09	teraflops	also which card is it?
2024-09-23 11:57:21	Erus_Iluvatar	teraflops: he said a 1060 in aot
2024-09-23 11:57:24	◣	alwyn (~alwyn@user/alwyn) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2024-09-23 11:57:25	teraflops	ah
2024-09-23 11:57:29	nigetilly	NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 3GB
2024-09-23 11:57:37	Erus_Iluvatar	so nvidia-open is not an option
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2024-09-23 11:57:43	teraflops	nope
2024-09-23 11:58:16	nigetilly	no file in /etc
2024-09-23 11:58:20	Erus_Iluvatar	gah, gotta afk and feed my daughter, be back in ~30 minutes
2024-09-23 11:58:30	nigetilly	ok :)
2024-09-23 11:58:30	◣	youthlic (~Thunderbi@user/youthlic) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2024-09-23 11:58:55	teraflops	nigetilly: try installing nvidia nvidia-utils and reboot
2024-09-23 11:59:12	nigetilly	if i dont come back ....you know what happened :)
2024-09-23 11:59:28	teraflops	you revert what you did
2024-09-23 11:59:28	◣	cloudowind (~cloudowin@user/cloudowind) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2024-09-23 11:59:49	nigetilly	how does one do that ....
2024-09-23 11:59:51	Erus_Iluvatar	maybe sudo pacman -S nvidia && sudo mkinitcpio -P && reboot
2024-09-23 11:59:53	◣	mkoskar (~mkoskar@user/mkoskar) ha salido (Quit: mkoskar)
2024-09-23 12:00:09	Erus_Iluvatar	that way you know everything got done even if you cant see anymore
2024-09-23 12:00:27	teraflops	nigetilly: also since yo did not create the pacman.hook verytime nvidia gets updated you have to run mkinitcipio -P
2024-09-23 12:00:29	nigetilly	ok fingers X
2024-09-23 12:00:49	nigetilly	here goes
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2024-09-23 12:02:41	teraflops	🤞
2024-09-23 12:03:45	◥	nigetilly (~nigetilly@user/nigetilly) has joined #archlinux
2024-09-23 12:03:58	nigetilly	im still alive
2024-09-23 12:04:00	nigetilly	lol
2024-09-23 12:04:02	teraflops	xD
2024-09-23 12:04:13	nigetilly	it said about those errors again
2024-09-23 12:04:21	nigetilly	the ones i pasted 
2024-09-23 12:04:35	teraflops	did you install nvidia package?
2024-09-23 12:04:36	nigetilly	but we still have normal screen
2024-09-23 12:04:45	nigetilly	as far as i know
2024-09-23 12:04:51	◣	ddxtanx (~ddxtanx@user/ddxtanx) ha salido (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2024-09-23 12:05:01	teraflops	please open a terminal and type glxinfo -B
2024-09-23 12:06:11	nigetilly	https://bpa.st/AXFCW
2024-09-23 12:06:14	phrik	Title: View paste AXFCW (at bpa.st)
2024-09-23 12:06:32	teraflops	all good ;)
2024-09-23 12:06:39	nigetilly	woohooo
2024-09-23 12:06:51	⚡ 	nigetilly stops shaking
2024-09-23 12:07:03	teraflops	good job
2024-09-23 12:07:08	teraflops	still one thing missing
2024-09-23 12:07:16	nigetilly	ok
2024-09-23 12:07:56	nigetilly	the opengl thingy
2024-09-23 12:08:03	teraflops	create this file https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#pacman_hook
2024-09-23 12:08:05	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-23 12:08:32	teraflops	that file makes pacman run mkdinitcpio -P each time nvidia driver gets updated
2024-09-23 12:08:46	nigetilly	oh cool
2024-09-23 12:09:30	nigetilly	doing it now
2024-09-23 12:09:32	nigetilly	brb
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2024-09-23 14:21:57	violetjewel	#linux
2024-09-23 14:22:03	violetjewel	oof
2024-09-23 14:48:25	eyeoh	holy moly I broke and fixed my computer *again*
2024-09-23 14:48:48	eyeoh	/boot/efi is 512MB, but df -h said it was only about 69MB or so
2024-09-23 14:49:14	eyeoh	wiped it and restored it and then had to do the grub install/update dance; and I also forgot the UUID changed
2024-09-23 14:49:31	eyeoh	I think it was from an impatient reboot earlier today which corrupted things
2024-09-23 14:49:53	eyeoh	this one is the laptop that dual boots win11; not the desktop with half a gig efi
2024-09-23 14:50:52	eyeoh	I'm getting to practise this is lot
2024-09-23 14:53:16	eyeoh	hmm this microcode firmware update is sloow
2024-09-23 15:07:56	Moody	hi guys,  i just run a pacman -Syu  and with that, VBox got upgraded to 7.1.0.  Unfortunatly, starting VMs doesn't work anylonger - it failes with a 0x80004005 (Signal 11, segfault).  Where would you start to troubleshoot?
2024-09-23 15:09:10	Scimmia	Moody: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=299392
2024-09-23 15:09:11	phrik	Title: segfault since upgrade to VirtualBox 7.1 / Applications & Desktop Environments / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-09-23 15:10:22	Scimmia	jelle: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/python-future/-/issues/1 is filed against the wrong package
2024-09-23 15:10:23	phrik	Title: No longer depends on python future (#1) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / python-future · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-09-23 15:10:52	Moody	Scimmia, that one i missed. Thanks for the pointer.  Hope they got to a soution...
2024-09-23 15:12:26	pinch	I’m trying to rescue my system but dhcpcd is not working in the live environment: I’m getting "dropped protocol specifier .dhcp from 'enp58s0u1u4.dhcp'. Using enp58s0u1u4 (ifindex=3)." This had previously worked on my system. Any ideas?
2024-09-23 15:18:05	grawity	that doesn't sound like a "not working" kind of message
2024-09-23 15:21:14	parakovsky	ok i might be stupid because i hasn't done it in a very long time, but if i try to make a live usb with cat or any other method, it tells me usb stick "no medium found" it is unmounted and the full path to the thing is /dev/disk/by-id/usb-_USB_DISK_2.0_0701882F34099B59-0:0 it returns bash: /dev/disk/by-id/usb-_USB_DISK_2.0_0701882F34099B59-0:0: No medium found even tho with ls -l
2024-09-23 15:21:14	parakovsky	/dev/disk/by-id/usb-* it shows this very disk, what the
2024-09-23 15:21:14	parakovsky	heck am i doing wrong guys? 
2024-09-23 15:27:27	parakovsky	oh wait 
2024-09-23 15:27:35	parakovsky	my archlinux is file is zero bytes long lol
2024-09-23 15:30:26	jclsn	I have problems starting my VM
2024-09-23 15:30:28	jclsn	VBoxManage: error: Details: code NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005), component MachineWrap, interface IMachine
2024-09-23 15:30:39	jclsn	Seems similar to this https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=91736
2024-09-23 15:30:41	phrik	Title: [Resolved] Details: code NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005), component MachineWrap, interface IMachine - virtualbox.org (at forums.virtualbox.org)
2024-09-23 15:31:42	jclsn	I have already tried running mkinitcpio, using the default kernel instead of linux-zen and downgrading virtualbox. Any ideas what could be wrong?
2024-09-23 15:32:18	HawkinsTheWizard	I'm also not getting nvidia on wayland, but x11 is working
2024-09-23 15:34:50	Moody	My "brute force" solution for now was to remove VirtualBox 7.1 completely and reinstall it as version 7.0.20 from cache. That made my VMs starting again.
2024-09-23 15:36:12	eyeoh	virtualbox can often not play nice with new kernels
2024-09-23 15:36:19	eyeoh	until they update
2024-09-23 15:36:50	jclsn	eyeoh: So downgrade the kernel?
2024-09-23 15:37:41	Moody	eyeoh, it looks currently the other way round.  The new VBox has issues, the old ones seem to run fine even on new (6.10.10) kernel
2024-09-23 15:39:17	Moody	jclsn, you already have downgrded vbox?  That was what helped me out (for now).
2024-09-23 15:42:30	jclsn	Moody: Tried that already
2024-09-23 15:44:49	Moody	i assume u have rebooted (to remove the knl mods and load the right ones again)
2024-09-23 15:50:22	eyeoh	either way, vbox is fickle with kernels
2024-09-23 15:52:26	jclsn	Moody: Sure
2024-09-23 15:52:56	jclsn	Which vbox version are you on? I would also have to downgrade the host modules I suppose?
2024-09-23 15:54:01	Moody	its now 7.0.20 here - yes, all four packages (virtualbox, guest-utils, ext-vns, hostmods-dkms) are downgraded to 7.0.20
2024-09-23 15:54:25	jclsn	So you are using the zen kernel?
2024-09-23 15:55:00	jclsn	Moving to the default one now, else I will have to reboot everytime are building the dkms in
2024-09-23 15:55:51	Moody	not that i'm aware of, its just "linux"
2024-09-23 15:56:06	Moody	(6.10.10)
2024-09-23 16:12:36	Moody	eyeoh, thats true. VB is always good for a surprise
2024-09-23 16:13:42	jclsn	Running now
2024-09-23 16:13:44	jclsn	Thx
2024-09-23 16:14:30	Moody	jclsn, cool, what made it running again for you?
2024-09-23 16:16:28	jclsn	Moody: Switching to linux and installing the versions you proposed
2024-09-23 16:16:36	jclsn	With linux-zen it did not work for some reason
2024-09-23 16:41:18	siak	Is there a way to run CS without Steam?
2024-09-23 16:42:31	mefistofeles	siak: probably not
2024-09-23 17:02:48	tomma365	hello, I was here yesterday with gamescope issues, I am still having them and not really sure what to do at this point
2024-09-23 17:04:29	Edu4rdSHL	Context
2024-09-23 17:05:11	lolok	ah we never did get the pastebin sorted out did we lol also have you found a way to measure performance empirically yet?
2024-09-23 17:10:03	tomma365	sorry for context, i was here yesterday with issues with gamescope on arch, after 15/20 minutes the fps drops to 20/30 ( i will install mangohud for exact numbers), it isnt thermal throttling, as temps are fine at all timess, and i am not running out of resources as everything sits around 50% usage, and it does not matter what game I play, i have tried using nvidia-open-dkms and nvidia-dkms on
2024-09-23 17:10:03	tomma365	wayland and x11 with same results 
2024-09-23 17:12:16	lolok	i recall the suspect was thrashing is there was some nonzero value in /proc/pressure/memory but pastbin was a fail
2024-09-23 17:19:12	tomma365	I dont think that was the issue? could be wrong though but i thought we ruled that out 
2024-09-23 17:22:40	lolok	hard to be sure without the pastebin since it has a strange format but you said there were numbers there right?
2024-09-23 17:22:53	lolok	thats not good
2024-09-23 17:23:26	lolok	except maybe a few under totals they should be all 0 if there is no problem
2024-09-23 17:23:32	tomma365	if i recall the memory ones were 0 but the others had numbers yeah 
2024-09-23 17:23:44	Edu4rdSHL	{{´
2024-09-23 17:25:22	lolok	grep '' /proc/pressure/*  |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2024-09-23 17:25:24	phrik	Title: Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-09-23 17:25:34	lolok	at least i remembered the other pastebin finally
2024-09-23 17:26:00	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-23 17:26:47	tomma365	https://paste.rs/KKJBW
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2024-09-23 17:33:13	Edu4rdSHL	tomma365, have you checked the VRAM usage after that time? Also, what game is it?
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2024-09-23 17:34:07	Edu4rdSHL	There's a known VRAM leak on 660
2024-09-23 17:34:21	Edu4rdSHL	560*
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2024-09-23 17:43:20	lolok	gotta be something with memory, thats the only thing makes sense to me as would take 20mins to happen, assuming thermals have been conclusively determined not problematic
2024-09-23 17:44:58	lolok	those memory and io numbers... is this with swap off?
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2024-09-23 17:48:23	lolok	this part here 'io:full avg10=3.10' if im reading it right that means your pc was so starved for io that it could do nothing else until your drive gave it more to work with for almost a third of the last 10 seconds
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2024-09-23 17:56:39	lolok	can htop measure io rate?
2024-09-23 17:57:24	teraflops	I guess so
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2024-09-23 18:00:41	Erus_Iluvatar	NetSysFire: the only thing I've seen recently is GTK's switch to a vulkan renderer creating visual issues with people using amdvlk instead of vulkan-radeon
2024-09-23 18:00:49	Erus_Iluvatar	but it should not negatively impact performance
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2024-09-23 18:02:15	Erus_Iluvatar	there's a GSK_RENDERER=gl environment variable to get back to the gl renderer
2024-09-23 18:02:33	Erus_Iluvatar	s/gl/ngl/ to test the "new gl" renderer
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2024-09-23 18:02:54	Erus_Iluvatar	although now that I re-read it should only hit GTK4
2024-09-23 18:03:09	Erus_Iluvatar	NetSysFire: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GTK#GTK_4_applications_are_slow
2024-09-23 18:03:10	phrik	Title: GTK - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-23 18:03:12	Erus_Iluvatar	and the next one
2024-09-23 18:03:50	Erus_Iluvatar	very much a shot in the dark
2024-09-23 18:04:02	tomma365	hello sorry I'm back, vram and ram usage is at about 20-50% and that remains the same all throughout, mangohud still reports a high fps but the issue seems to be something steam related, as when i open the overlay the fps decreases dramatically in that as well as the game,(i have tried it without the overlay and makes no difference)
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2024-09-23 18:07:36	tomma365	however, the graph at the bottomn of mangohud (which i guess is frametime?) is consistently spiking then going back down and repeating 
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2024-09-23 18:16:48	lolok	enable io_read io_write and swap counters in in mangohud tomma365, if possible take a screenshot, you probably can pastebin that too with curl --data-binary @/path/to/screenshot.jpg https://paste.rs
2024-09-23 18:16:50	phrik	Title: Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
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2024-09-23 18:19:24	lolok	i have joins and parts filtered out in my irc client so idk if you left after my last message explaining your pressure
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2024-09-23 18:23:53	tomma365	rerunning game with those settings, will update soon
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2024-09-23 18:27:26	lolok	would also be nice to see a few more of those pressure stats, spaced out a few mins, since they change over time
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2024-09-23 18:29:25	lolok	i really hope that the 'io:full avg10=3.10' was a fluke
2024-09-23 18:29:59	lolok	or maybe not actually since that would explain it....
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2024-09-23 19:30:15	tomma365	hello, thanks to the extra info i got from doing this i was able to look more into the issue, tldr adding  LD_PRELOAD="" to the beginning of the launch commands fixes it, I''m not sure exactly what it does but I've been playing for over an hour with no drops, thank you all for your help :)
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2024-09-23 19:33:34	birdnest	that's okay tomma365 thank you for using arch linux
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2024-09-23 19:36:05	tomma365	thank you for your help everyone :)
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2024-09-23 19:36:33	tomma365	i hope you all have a good day :)
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2024-09-23 19:40:33	wyre	hi guys, my GDM cannot start ... but can't see the error ... https://bpa.st/OXG22
2024-09-23 19:40:38	phrik	Title: View paste OXG22 (at bpa.st)
2024-09-23 19:40:47	wyre	however I can start my xserver with startx
2024-09-23 19:40:53	wyre	so ... not sure what's happening 😢
2024-09-23 19:42:00	birdnest	hey wyre 
2024-09-23 19:42:14	birdnest	what happens if you try start gdm from inside x
2024-09-23 19:42:21	birdnest	if you see an error related to pixbuff
2024-09-23 19:42:25	birdnest	i had that same issue just a few days ago
2024-09-23 19:43:38	wyre	hmmm, starting gdm from inside x? 🤔
2024-09-23 19:43:45	birdnest	more to see what it errors
2024-09-23 19:43:51	wyre	sure, but how? 
2024-09-23 19:43:57	wyre	by starting the service? 
2024-09-23 19:43:59	birdnest	get in xterm and type gdm
2024-09-23 19:44:28	birdnest	https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=299605 this was my problem, i am not sure if it's related but it was very similar to what i had
2024-09-23 19:44:29	phrik	Title: xfce4 panel is acting weird, please help. / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-09-23 19:44:39	birdnest	simplewm kept restarting over and over
2024-09-23 19:44:43	birdnest	no errors in logs
2024-09-23 19:45:23	birdnest	i had run xfce4-manager in xterm and was finally able to see the error
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2024-09-23 19:49:23	wyre	birdnest, it doesn't start either, but can't see any output in the terminal
2024-09-23 19:50:13	wyre	but I've installed lightdm and it doesn't start either ... 🤔
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2024-09-23 19:50:30	birdnest	wyre, yeah it seems related
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2024-09-23 19:50:59	birdnest	for me this issue broke everything gdk
2024-09-23 19:50:59	ℹ 	LanDi1 es conocido ahora como LanDi
2024-09-23 19:51:12	birdnest	wyre, you can try to install gdk-pixbuf again
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2024-09-23 19:51:19	birdnest	or run the cache command in the forum i linked
2024-09-23 19:51:20	birdnest	it might help
2024-09-23 19:51:45	birdnest	there is a hook that pacman is supposed to run, for some reason it may not have fired
2024-09-23 19:52:03	birdnest	the newest pixbuf has a filename change so that is what broke it for me, it could not find the new file as the hook did not run
2024-09-23 19:52:28	Namarrgon	wyre: If you had the OSK enabled, that currently makes gnome-shell segfault.
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2024-09-23 19:53:34	wyre	Namarrgon, how may I disable that? 
2024-09-23 19:53:44	wyre	I'd say I have no OSK enabled by default
2024-09-23 19:53:48	Namarrgon	gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.a11y.applications screen-keyboard-enabled
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2024-09-23 19:54:23	wyre	Namarrgon, it's false
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2024-09-23 19:54:46	Namarrgon	Did you run that as the gdm user?
2024-09-23 19:54:47	wyre	birdnest, I have no gdk-pixbuf installed
2024-09-23 19:55:01	wyre	Namarrgon, ... nope
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2024-09-23 19:55:26	wyre	I ran it as my user
2024-09-23 19:55:37	Namarrgon	Then su to the gdm user first
2024-09-23 19:56:02	Namarrgon	There's also the vulkan renderer issue but i don't know if it affects all of gnome or just some applications.
2024-09-23 19:56:13	wyre	hmmm that's true for the gdm user 
2024-09-23 19:56:27	Namarrgon	set it to false and try again.
2024-09-23 19:56:42	wyre	Namarrgon, su asks me for a password 🤔
2024-09-23 19:56:52	teraflops	machinectl shell gdm@ /bin/bash
2024-09-23 19:56:56	wyre	but the user has no password (I can see it in the /etc/shadow file)
2024-09-23 19:57:08	Namarrgon	su is asking for the root password
2024-09-23 19:57:16	Namarrgon	unless you're running it as root
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2024-09-23 19:58:06	wyre	Namarrgon, nope, I'm running it as my user, but it doesn't authenticate with the root password
2024-09-23 19:58:13	teraflops	wyre: machinectl shell gdm@ /bin/bash
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2024-09-23 19:58:23	wyre	I mean ... if I do su - gdm and provide the root pass, it doesn't authenticate 
2024-09-23 19:58:47	wyre	however I can auth if I do su - root and provide my root password
2024-09-23 19:58:55	◣	superkret (~felix@user/superkret) ha salido (Quit: superkret)
2024-09-23 19:58:56	wyre	so I assume I'm providing the corret pw :-) 
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2024-09-23 19:59:35	wyre	teraflops, suggestion did work
2024-09-23 19:59:41	wyre	however I was doing it by sudo -u 😊
2024-09-23 20:00:44	wyre	Namarrgon, it was the OSK thing 😆
2024-09-23 20:00:55	jclsn	For some reason YouTube's scrolling behavior is really bad on Firefox
2024-09-23 20:01:04	jclsn	Just tried Chromium and it is much better
2024-09-23 20:01:52	wyre	but I'm wondering ... why lightdm didn't start either? 🤔 Namarrgon 
2024-09-23 20:02:11	Namarrgon	Does it start now?
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2024-09-23 20:07:39	wyre	Namarrgon, sure, ... I prolly forgot to install the greeter 😆
2024-09-23 20:11:23	wyre	Namarrgon, how did you know about this issue? 
2024-09-23 20:11:33	wyre	I find gdm particularly difficult to debug 😿
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2024-09-23 20:24:07	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-23 20:24:07	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1430 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1429 regular)
2024-09-23 20:24:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-23 20:24:43	teraflops	Namarrgon: GSK_RENDERER=ngl fixes artifacts in gtk4 apps here
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2024-09-23 20:27:46	Namarrgon	wyre: I had to fix it earlier myself.
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2024-09-23 20:28:05	Erus_Iluvatar	teraflops: maybe chime in upstream if you're having issues, for now all the reports I've seen are on amdvlk
2024-09-23 20:28:23	Erus_Iluvatar	(unless I missunderstood and you're not on nvidia)
2024-09-23 20:28:38	wyre	Namarrgon, and how did you debug this? 😆
2024-09-23 20:29:04	teraflops	Erus_Iluvatar: amdgpu
2024-09-23 20:29:10	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, what's that for?
2024-09-23 20:29:18	Namarrgon	wyre: I looked at the logs, found nothing and then looked at the gnome bugtracker.
2024-09-23 20:29:18	Edu4rdSHL	I dont have any artifacts lol
2024-09-23 20:29:23	Erus_Iluvatar	teraflops: ack, nevermind me then /o\
2024-09-23 20:29:48	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: I had in Ptyxis
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2024-09-23 20:31:51	wyre	I see, well, ty once Namarrgon 😊
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2024-09-23 21:28:43	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-23 21:28:43	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1435 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1434 regular)
2024-09-23 21:29:05	wyre	and teraflops, of course ... I'm still curious on why root pw doesn't auth when I used su - gdm 🤔
2024-09-23 21:28:43	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-23 21:29:14	teraflops	idk it's an special account
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2024-09-23 21:32:54	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-23 21:29:05	wyre	and teraflops, of course ... I'm still curious on why root pw doesn't auth when I used su - gdm 🤔
2024-09-23 21:29:38	teraflops	idk it's an special account
2024-09-23 21:30:22	teraflops	'This account is currently not available.'
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2024-09-24 17:54:11	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-24 17:53:43	jl2	3.7.3-2.1
2024-09-24 17:53:53	Namarrgon	You're not using arch?
2024-09-24 17:54:02	Namarrgon	Ask your distro's support for help then.
2024-09-24 17:54:11	jl2	ofc I'm using arch
2024-09-24 17:54:19	Namarrgon	That package is not from arch.
2024-09-24 17:54:11	jl2	tracker3?
2024-09-24 17:54:11	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-24 17:54:12	Namarrgon	arch don't have fractional $pkgrels
2024-09-24 17:54:15	Namarrgon	yes
2024-09-24 17:54:23	Namarrgon	*doesn't
2024-09-24 17:54:40	jl2	Might be some hackaround for ALPM or so
2024-09-24 17:54:52	Namarrgon	uh huh
2024-09-24 17:55:02	jl2	no no not alpm
2024-09-24 17:55:16	jl2	those v3 optimized repos, forgot the name
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2024-09-24 17:55:39	Namarrgon	Either ask them for help or don't use stuff you are not prepared to handle.
2024-09-24 17:56:10	jl2	ok nvm I'll just read the docs on how to use --overwrite or whatever that flag was
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2024-09-24 17:56:19	Namarrgon	That's the wrong hack.
2024-09-24 17:56:29	◣	Fhraze (~Fhraze@user/Fhraze) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2024-09-24 17:56:47	Namarrgon	I'm not sure why tinysparql needed that overly specific replaces but you need to do that either way.
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2024-09-24 17:57:22	Namarrgon	Get rid of that repo and sidegrade back to the official packages.
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2024-09-24 17:57:50	jl2	Why? I like the optimizations, what's wrong with overwriting files that should be replaced?
2024-09-24 17:58:05	◣	nuvw (~nuvw@user/nuvw) ha salido (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2024-09-24 17:58:15	another|	because tinysparql replaces tracker3
2024-09-24 17:58:17	Namarrgon	YOu need to replace tracker3 with tinysparql, not overwrite any files.
2024-09-24 17:58:42	another|	alternatively, remove tracker3 and install tinysparql manually
2024-09-24 17:59:18	jl2	already tried removing, I'd have to remove half the system
2024-09-24 17:59:32	Namarrgon	Report that issue to the repo maintainers.
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2024-09-24 17:59:54	Edu4rdSHL	Also, the "optimizations" gives you a 0.1 performance gain
2024-09-24 17:59:56	Edu4rdSHL	:p
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2024-09-24 18:01:11	Namarrgon	I'm not sure you get even that out of the optimized tracker3 package.
2024-09-24 18:01:12	jl2	Well it has lto optimizations too
2024-09-24 18:01:13	another|	you could remove while ignoring dependecies
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2024-09-24 18:02:47	jl2	It exists, I don't have to compile them, so I take the (as I found out, almost) free benefits. even if they are that little
2024-09-24 18:02:49	Scimmia	If you can't deal with breakage like this, overriding Arch packages with 3rd party repos is a terrible idea
2024-09-24 18:03:05	Scimmia	this is not an Arch issue in any way
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2024-09-24 18:03:21	jl2	But for compiling manually I disable lto, O3 etc
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2024-09-24 18:03:23	Namarrgon	You spent more time on this problem than you gain from any optimization.
2024-09-24 18:03:40	Namarrgon	Then there are all the other hidden surprised you haven't found yet.
2024-09-24 18:03:47	Namarrgon	*surprises
2024-09-24 18:03:49	jl2	True. even if I had directly looked up --overwrite
2024-09-24 18:04:07	Namarrgon	see, you don't even understand the problem if you're trying to solve it with --overwrite.
2024-09-24 18:04:35	Scimmia	--overwrite would be the worst possible thing to do here
2024-09-24 18:05:12	jl2	Why not? I'm solving that a package, which is deprecated, has a lock on files that a new package will replace. so overwriting can't do a difference.
2024-09-24 18:05:41	Scimmia	but you're not replacing it. You're leaving files owned by two different packages
2024-09-24 18:05:47	Scimmia	which WILL break
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2024-09-24 18:06:11	another|	you're just postponing the problem
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2024-09-24 18:06:51	Scimmia	If you don't know what to do here, complain to whoever maintains your distro. Make no mistake, you're NOT on Arch at this point
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2024-09-24 18:07:16	Scimmia	You've replaced too many Arch packages with no knowlege of how or why to call this Arch
2024-09-24 18:07:26	jl2	Scimmia: THANK YOU for explaining why not to use it.
2024-09-24 18:07:47	jl2	And I have fixed it by now removing tracker and reinstalling tinysqlwhatever
2024-09-24 18:08:17	another|	Scimmia: well, I'm not sure I would go this far. I'd say it's still an Arch
2024-09-24 18:08:42	Scimmia	another|: how so? If you remove all Arch packages and replace them with a 3rd party repo, is it still Arch?
2024-09-24 18:09:07	another|	Does it? Remove all packages that is
2024-09-24 18:09:19	Scimmia	No, but I'm making the point
2024-09-24 18:09:30	jl2	Scimmia: but geeze, what's your problem with custom repos? they break from time to time, but by far I do not spend nearly as much time compiling thanks to caotic-aur and repo-ck
2024-09-24 18:09:55	Namarrgon	:|
2024-09-24 18:10:08	another|	to be clear, I don't know how many packages it replaces. I was under the assumption that it's just a few
2024-09-24 18:10:10	Scimmia	jl2: and yet you expect us to help you unbreak your 3rd party shit
2024-09-24 18:10:11	jl2	Namarrgon: I didn't mean alhp with this post
2024-09-24 18:10:25	jl2	Scimmia: I didn't break anything yet
2024-09-24 18:10:35	Edu4rdSHL	jl2, except that you dont need to compile anything because there are the official repos
2024-09-24 18:10:44	Edu4rdSHL	You're just throwing problems that you caused here
2024-09-24 18:10:51	jl2	another|: nah it replaces quite alot. I suspect like 60-70%
2024-09-24 18:10:55	Edu4rdSHL	By using third party repos
2024-09-24 18:11:09	Edu4rdSHL	So, yes, you're not on Arch at this point
2024-09-24 18:11:25	Antiz	jl2: This is not about the custom repo itself, this about asking for help about issues caused by third party/unofficial stuff. Basically: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2024-09-24 18:11:26	phrik	Title: Code of Conduct | Arch Linux Terms (at terms.archlinux.org)
2024-09-24 18:11:26	jl2	Edu4rdSHL: repo-ck and chaotic-aur are NOT in the repos
2024-09-24 18:11:42	another|	jl2: alright. Then I'm with Scimmia on this
2024-09-24 18:11:44	Edu4rdSHL	They are repos... ofc they aren't in repos...
2024-09-24 18:12:05	◣	syndelis (~Thunderbi@177.132.180.24) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-09-24 18:12:07	jl2	Edu4rdSHL: :D oops. you know what I meant
2024-09-24 18:12:15	Edu4rdSHL	Anyways, you were told that your installation is unsupported here, so
2024-09-24 18:12:41	Antiz	jl2: If you're facing issues caused by repo-ck or chaotic-aur or whatever else third-party/unofficial stuff, you should ask help from them basically. (Again: https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only)
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2024-09-24 18:12:42	phrik	Title: Code of Conduct | Arch Linux Terms (at terms.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-24 18:13:31	jl2	yeah. anyway thanks for explaining why not to use overwrite, scimmia. and somehow I'm getting the same thing _again_.
2024-09-24 18:13:33	jl2	!gd
2024-09-24 18:13:34	phrik	G'Day to all from jl2!
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2024-09-24 18:14:02	another|	oh well
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2024-09-24 18:15:09	furrykef	At https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Pacnew_and_Pacsave#Locating_.pac*_files ...
2024-09-24 18:15:11	phrik	Title: pacman/Pacnew and Pacsave - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-24 18:15:19	furrykef	The wiki suggests using the command `locate --existing '*.pacnew' '*.pacsave'`
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2024-09-24 18:15:42	furrykef	Isn't this incorrect? plocate will search for files that match both *.pacnew and *.pacsave, so it will never find anything
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2024-09-24 18:16:48	Antiz	furrykef: The switch to plocate is recent, the wiki probably hasn't been updated accordingly indeed
2024-09-24 18:16:49	Edu4rdSHL	furrykef, just use pacdiff
2024-09-24 18:16:57	Edu4rdSHL	?wtf pacdiff
2024-09-24 18:16:59	@EMIYA	Edu4rdSHL: community/pacman-contrib 1.9.0-1 (/usr/bin/pacdiff), extra/pacman-contrib
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2024-09-24 18:17:56	furrykef	Thanks
2024-09-24 18:18:05	Antiz	(IDK if it used to work with mlocate 🤷)
2024-09-24 18:18:16	Antiz	But indeed, that command is wrong or outdated
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2024-09-24 18:55:22	Roselie	Hi, folks!
2024-09-24 18:57:32	gehidore	phrik give Roselie welcomerpg
2024-09-24 18:57:33	phrik	Roselie: Welcome to #archlinux - How can we assist you?
2024-09-24 18:57:42	gehidore	man I never get the good ones
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2024-09-24 18:59:00	Roselie	Pfft. I wanted to ask some questions-- I'm hosting a tier-2 arch-linux mirror, but I'm noticing that my RSYNC performance isn't the greatest. Is there a channel I can go to in order to discuss arch-linux mirrors and any tips for mirror hosters?
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2024-09-24 19:28:43	gromit	Roselie: there is a mailing list for all the mirror hosters, maybe that one? 
2024-09-24 19:28:45	gromit	https://lists.archlinux.org/mailman3/lists/arch-mirrors.lists.archlinux.org/
2024-09-24 19:28:47	phrik	Title: Info | arch-mirrors@lists.archlinux.org - lists.archlinux.org (at lists.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-24 19:30:48	solsTiCe	hi. since yesterday, or may be 2 days (?), when I shutdown my pc, I am seeing the messages on the console scrolling instead of the archlinux logo, as previously; the same logo, I am seeing when booting with a UKI. Is it because of thenew gdm version? Did you get that?
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2024-09-24 19:44:33	teraflops	solsTiCe: do you  use plymouth?
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2024-09-24 19:46:44	solsTiCe	no. 
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2024-09-24 19:47:12	teraflops	then from where did that logo come from in the first place?
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2024-09-24 19:47:52	solsTiCe	when booting, it is embeded in the UKI, and displayed by bootctl/systemd-boot or wahtever I think
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2024-09-24 19:50:23	simark1	gromit: a while ago you helped me by reviewing and merging a change to the babeltrace2 package, I might need some help with a subsequent MR (https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/babeltrace2/-/merge_requests/2)
2024-09-24 19:50:24	phrik	Title: Sign in · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-24 19:55:49	gromit	simark1: I can have a look at it in a bit if the maintainer does not take care of it :) 
2024-09-24 19:56:44	gromit	simark1: feel free to tag me again in a week
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2024-09-24 20:02:32	simark1	gromit: it's been 3 weeks and no response
2024-09-24 20:04:04	simark1	I don't know what the process is, but I'd be happy to help maintain the package
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2024-09-24 20:10:36	Antiz	simark1: You would need to become an Arch package maintainer basically (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Package_Maintainers)
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2024-09-24 20:12:40	Antiz	simark1: Indeed seems like the babeltrace2 package needs some love though. I can test and merge your MR I guess
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2024-09-24 20:13:25	simark1	Antiz: hmm yeah that seems quite involved
2024-09-24 20:13:42	simark1	perhaps the package just needs to be assigned to some one else then
2024-09-24 20:13:56	simark1	It's quite low maintenance
2024-09-24 20:14:38	Antiz	Either that, or be dropped in the AUR eventually (so you can adopt it there)
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2024-09-24 20:18:19	Antiz	gromit: Any thoughts? The current maintainer is not active, the package isn't required by anything and it doesn't seem to attract much interest from other people on our side. Maybe it's a good candidate to be dropped to the AUR (specifically if simark1 would be up to adopt it there)?
2024-09-24 20:18:31	Antiz	simark1: I'll review your changes in the mean time though ;)
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2024-09-24 22:12:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-24 22:12:45	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1435 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1434 regular)
2024-09-24 22:12:21	nrg	Downgrading package mpv (1:0.39.0-1 => 1:0.38.0-8) worked, it plays videos just fine now. Hm.
2024-09-24 22:12:21	nrg	Rose, what can I say, I landed in phrik's quotes twice, on separate occasions, for deleting my home directory.
2024-09-24 22:13:05	mpan	!rq nrg
2024-09-24 22:13:05	phrik	mpan: <nrg> You know, ants can lift multiples of their own weight. I could probably lift multiple ants.
2024-09-24 22:12:45	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-24 22:13:15	nrg	Namarrgon, a few from AUR. But not ffmpeg-full, anymore, which occasionally would break and require recompilation. Though, mpv would then complain about mismatching librarys and not segfault.
2024-09-24 22:13:30	nrg	mpan, it was back on Freenode.
2024-09-24 22:13:33	nrg	!rq n000g
2024-09-24 22:13:34	phrik	nrg: <n000g> I just deleted my home folder again.
2024-09-24 22:13:37	nrg	That's me.
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2024-09-24 22:14:11	mpan	nrg: phrik is the same.
2024-09-24 22:16:10	nrg	But I wasn't. I knew my big break would finally come when we all switched to libera. I would finally be able to grab my "original" nickname on a service with more than 50 people on.
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2024-09-24 22:16:50	nrg	You have no idea how many 15 year olds came up with "NRG" as their handle…
2024-09-24 22:17:07	teraflops	hmm mpv works here with either nvidia or amdgpu
2024-09-24 22:17:37	nrg	I can upgrade on my laptop and see if it makes a difference on an old Intel.
2024-09-24 22:17:39	nrg	Hold on.
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2024-09-24 22:20:38	nrg	It works just fine on my Intel laptop.
2024-09-24 22:20:44	nrg	After the update, I mean.
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2024-09-24 22:21:38	Rose	How do you delete your home directory?
2024-09-24 22:21:46	nrg	Namarrgon, you mean strace?
2024-09-24 22:21:54	teraflops	do you use some lua script on the machine where it fails?
2024-09-24 22:21:59	Rose	So be fair I did `sudo rm -rf /dev` instead of `sudo rm -rf ./dev` :sob:
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2024-09-24 22:22:33	Namarrgon	nrg: no, a stacktrace from e.g. gdb.
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2024-09-24 22:23:35	Namarrgon	coredumpctl probably kept a coredump, you can tell it to open it in gdb and get the trace from there.
2024-09-24 22:23:56	nrg	Rose, I only remember one. I was playing around with Wine and it had a linkfarm or something, and I was like "I don't need that" and poof. I think the other time was just rm -r * in the wrong tmux pane or something like that. I do have tons of backups, though. BTRFS snapshots on my machines themselves, as well as bi-hourly borgbackup on the NAS.
2024-09-24 22:24:01	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2024-09-24 22:24:50	nrg	teraflops, on both machines. For the screensaver to not come on. As per the wiki.
2024-09-24 22:26:03	nrg	Namarrgon, oh, this is new territory for me. Hold on.
2024-09-24 22:27:02	eyeoh	I usually rely on fish autocompletion when doing rm commands. it's much better than bash's "autocompletion"
2024-09-24 22:27:18	eyeoh	and I move to the relevant directory to be in close touch
2024-09-24 22:28:26	nrg	* is pretty close. :-D
2024-09-24 22:28:45	nrg	Namarrgon, I have it open. You need the whole thing?
2024-09-24 22:29:11	nrg	!paste
2024-09-24 22:29:11	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-09-24 22:29:57	Namarrgon	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Debugging/Getting_traces
2024-09-24 22:29:58	phrik	Title: Debugging/Getting traces - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-24 22:34:10	Norois	hello there!
2024-09-24 22:34:46	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-24 22:36:04	nrg	(Working on the gdb thing).
2024-09-24 22:36:12	◣	names_niki (~niki@user/names-niki:83227) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2024-09-24 22:36:25	Namarrgon	Try to not delete $HOME this time.
2024-09-24 22:36:43	Tea	# Scary!
2024-09-24 22:36:45	Norois	Don't you love it when you'r system randomly breaks?
2024-09-24 22:36:56	Norois	i think i said your wrong lol
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2024-09-24 22:37:22	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1432 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1431 regular)
2024-09-24 22:37:22	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-24 22:37:59	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1431 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1430 regular)
2024-09-24 22:37:59	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-24 22:38:02	Namarrgon	It's never random.
2024-09-24 22:38:07	Namarrgon	!rong
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2024-09-24 22:38:08	phrik	URDOINITRONG
2024-09-24 22:38:47	Norois	it was like, one time when i went to turn on my laptop it said there is no bootable device
2024-09-24 22:39:10	nrg	Wow, it busted up my i3 window. I can still switch to the others, but my Firefox and Alacritty are… invisible? Including polybar on that window. Weird.
2024-09-24 22:39:18	Norois	i got into the system with archiso and reinstalled grub, it then booted normally into grub but there was no archlinux entry in it
2024-09-24 22:39:19	nrg	Luckily, I can ssh from my Laptop.
2024-09-24 22:39:34	◣	fetzenfisch (~fetzenfis@user/fetzenfisch) ha salido (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2024-09-24 22:39:44	nrg	Hope my home directory is still there. :-(
2024-09-24 22:41:49	nrg	It's back!
2024-09-24 22:41:53	nrg	Weird.
2024-09-24 22:43:22	nrg	Namarrgon, does this help? Did I do it correctly? https://0x0.st/XYWd.txt
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2024-09-24 22:47:18	Namarrgon	nrg: do you have an mpv config?
2024-09-24 22:47:27	nrg	I do.
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2024-09-24 22:49:22	nrg	!0x0
2024-09-24 22:49:22	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
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2024-09-24 22:50:39	nrg	There you go. I removed the comments. https://0x0.st/XYW5.conf
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2024-09-24 22:51:07	Namarrgon	Does it still crash without the config?
2024-09-24 22:51:08	nrg	I can reccommend that one. Runs pretty fast or pretty pretty. Does not delete home directories.
2024-09-24 22:53:13	nrg	Ah!
2024-09-24 22:53:33	teraflops	that config is weird
2024-09-24 22:53:35	nrg	Good call. It's gpu-api=vulkan that makes it crash.
2024-09-24 22:53:55	Namarrgon	Is the nvidia gpu the only gpu in that box?
2024-09-24 22:54:02	nrg	Yeah.
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2024-09-24 22:54:13	Namarrgon	Check the nvidia forums then.
2024-09-24 22:54:25	nrg	The internal GPU is/should be disabled in the UEFI setup.
2024-09-24 22:54:30	Namarrgon	I didn't spot anything related on the mpv bugtracker.
2024-09-24 22:55:12	Namarrgon	It could be a regression in mpv but i haven't looked at the changelog.
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2024-09-24 22:58:57	nrg	Hmm. Well, at least it's working on auto now.
2024-09-24 22:59:05	nrg	Thank you for your help, Namarrgon!
2024-09-24 22:59:34	nrg	teraflops, other than my weird taste in colors, what's so weird about it? :-D
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2024-09-24 23:00:24	teraflops	nvdec and  vaapi at the same time
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2024-09-24 23:01:30	nrg	Ah, the config (as well as most of my dotfiles) are synched between my machines. NVDec on my Desktop, and VAAPI on my little laptop.
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2024-09-24 23:03:02	nrg	VAAPI doesn't work on the desktop, and NVDec not on the laptop.
2024-09-24 23:03:19	nrg	Though there's probably a way to make VAAPI work.
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2024-09-24 23:03:36	nrg	[vaapi] libva: vaGetDriverNames() failed with unknown libva error.
2024-09-24 23:04:45	teraflops	this config works here w/ vulkan https://bepasty.priet.us/Cb34FNm2/+inline
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2024-09-24 23:07:50	nrg	I have X11. :-o
2024-09-24 23:07:57	nrg	But I'll keep it open and play around with it later. I am overdue on my workout and dinner. D-:
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2024-09-24 23:45:35	wyre	how mkinitcpio ends in the machine after running pacstrap?
2024-09-24 23:45:45	wyre	it asks you? I can't remember 🤔
2024-09-24 23:46:45	Exa	wyre: when you install the linux package it runs it in a pacman hook
2024-09-24 23:47:32	wyre	Exa, yes, but how it's installed? 
2024-09-24 23:47:43	wyre	instead of dracut, for example? 
2024-09-24 23:48:15	wyre	the linux package dependency shows initramfs (mkinitcpio,dracut,...)
2024-09-24 23:50:34	bluetail	always read mkinitcpio output
2024-09-24 23:50:45	Exa	wyre: iirc if you add the -i option to pacstrap it will ask you what packages to install when there are multiple options
2024-09-24 23:50:46	bluetail	sometimes it can fail, and if you don't see it, and reboot, you might be unable to boot
2024-09-24 23:51:53	wyre	sure, I know one of the key steps in the install process is to build the kernel images, but .. can't see now why I always have used mkinitcpio 😆
2024-09-24 23:53:44	wyre	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide#Initramfs hmm, I can see what you said now Exa, the pacman hook is run automatically 
2024-09-24 23:53:45	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-24 23:53:50	pulsar12	wyre: its by default i think. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dracut
2024-09-24 23:53:51	phrik	Title: dracut - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-24 23:54:12	pulsar12	"Arch uses mkinitcpio by default. "
2024-09-24 23:54:35	wyre	pulsar12, sure, but there https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/linux/ I can see a clear dependency of mkinitcpio
2024-09-24 23:54:38	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - linux 6.10.10.arch1-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2024-09-24 23:58:40	edgy	Hi, Any one know how to display the last command output in a less pager in wezterm, In kitty I use the equivalent of ctrl+shift+g
2024-09-24 23:59:01	edgy	s/the equivalent//
2024-09-25 00:04:10	masoudd	Hello. I'm trying to change a python package (gpodder) away from the old setup.py madness. I need python-pip installed as build-dep for making the package. And pip is not in base-devel. Does that mean I need to add python-pip as a make dep?
2024-09-25 00:04:49	masoudd	looking at other python-* packages, they instead need python-wheel, python-build, python-installer
2024-09-25 00:05:11	mefistofeles	masoudd: why do you need pip?
2024-09-25 00:05:16	mefistofeles	for building
2024-09-25 00:05:21	masoudd	to make and installing the wheel
2024-09-25 00:05:48	mefistofeles	you don't really require pip for that, but it's an option
2024-09-25 00:06:01	mefistofeles	maybe that's why the pythonpackages use these other ones
2024-09-25 00:07:35	masoudd	How should I go from a source distribution to the installed wheel state? Yes I think arch has standardized to those instead. I need to think about other distros. The project has a makefile with rules like `install` That I think other distros as well as arch are calling instead.
2024-09-25 00:08:36	demonicmaniac1	wyre: linux depends on initramfs which has multiple providers as listed in brackets - mkinitcpio,dracut,booster. if you pacman -S noquiet initramfs it will ask you which provider you want from 1-3 in order
2024-09-25 00:08:54	demonicmaniac1	wyre: if you silent/quiet install it will automatically pull the first one which is mkinitcpio in this case
2024-09-25 00:09:12	masoudd	I came up with `python -m pip install --root=$(DESTDIR) --prefix=$(PREFIX) --compile .` instead of the setup.py install
2024-09-25 00:10:23	masoudd	I was kinda hoping I'd just change it in the makefile and packagers of all the distro's would not need to change anything. But that is seeming more like a pipe dream by the minute
2024-09-25 00:14:00	demonicmaniac1	why do you need python-pip for it? does it fetch stuff from pip in the build process? that's a terrible idea
2024-09-25 00:14:45	masoudd	omg yes. terrible
2024-09-25 00:16:01	demonicmaniac1	you'd want to resolve makedeps yourself and add them to the pkgbuild as arch makedeps instead of using pip for any requirements.txt or w/e
2024-09-25 00:16:53	masoudd	Didn't even occur to me pip installing other things in the packaging process. What a headache :(
2024-09-25 00:17:36	demonicmaniac1	welcome to python
2024-09-25 00:20:12	mefistofeles	masoudd: you can just use the build module 
2024-09-25 00:21:40	mefistofeles	masoudd: you can also use pip with --no-dependencies
2024-09-25 00:21:54	masoudd	mefistofeles, Yes. build can build the wheel but not install it (https://build.pypa.io/en/stable/index.html). So I'll look at python-installer
2024-09-25 00:22:14	mefistofeles	masoudd: you can install with pip with --no-dependencies if that helps
2024-09-25 00:23:21	masoudd	Doesn't matter at this point. I'll have to add either python-installer or python-pip to the makedeps. I'll look into both and see which one is better. Other python-* packages all seem to go with python-installer it seems
2024-09-25 00:23:56	mefistofeles	masoudd: ok
2024-09-25 00:43:00	edgy	No one here using wezterm? ;)
2024-09-25 00:43:13	mefistofeles	!anyone
2024-09-25 00:43:14	phrik	Quite possibly. Why do you ask?
2024-09-25 00:44:07	edgy	mefistofeles: I asked about how can I open the history in less or a pager before
2024-09-25 00:44:51	edgy	I know in kitty I use ctrl-shift-g
2024-09-25 00:44:56	edgy	or -h
2024-09-25 00:52:29	phrik	edgy: Is that… Is that really a word?
2024-09-25 00:52:32	phrik	edgy: Compensation for channel surveys is accepted in Dogecoins, Simoleons, and Kongbucks.
2024-09-25 00:53:32	edgy	mingdao: being a non-native speaker, I understand nothing :(
2024-09-25 00:55:08	edgy	mingdao: how is your reply relevant to my question!
2024-09-25 03:43:00	bswartz	Does the linux-firmware package included non-free firmware, or do I need to install additional packages to get all the firmware?
2024-09-25 03:48:56	mpan	bswartz: linux-firmware does contain non-free firmware, but it doesn’t contain *all* possible firmware.
2024-09-25 03:49:04	bswartz	Argh, nevermind. My problem seems to be that the kernel driver is broken, and the fix is not upstream yet
2024-09-25 03:49:07	mpan	(non-free in sense non-FOSS)
2024-09-25 03:49:14	bswartz	Thanks mpan
2024-09-25 03:50:14	bswartz	I have a r8125 and Linux is using the r8169 driver. It kind of sort of works but I suspect things will get better when the r8125 driver goes upstream
2024-09-25 03:50:59	mpan	linux-firmware-whence contains a WHENCE file with the licensing details, but there are also other linux-firmware-* packages, plus 3rd party vendors may provide their own independently of what Linux provides.
2024-09-25 03:51:36	mpan	what linux firmware provides*
2024-09-25 04:03:51	feinedsquirrel	I'm running into the same problem as in this mailing list thread: https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/arch-general@lists.archlinux.org/thread/7QORMSC7F2LSZOA3Y5JOZLZMEFREM75K/ Lone_Wolf says disabling the user and sandbox will make pacman behave like pacman 6. Did pacman 6 not have a sandbox at all? "act exactly the same as" doesn't necessarily mean "be" pacman 6. I'm assuming it would not
2024-09-25 04:03:53	phrik	Title: mkarchroot and Manual intervention for pacman 7.0.0 and local repositories required - Arch-general - lists.archlinux.org (at lists.archlinux.org)
2024-09-25 04:03:57	feinedsquirrel	be any less secure than it has been up until pacman 7?
2024-09-25 04:06:29	Scimmia	feinedsquirrel: are you doing this in your homedir too?
2024-09-25 04:06:46	feinedsquirrel	yeah
2024-09-25 04:06:53	Scimmia	that's the problem
2024-09-25 04:07:21	Scimmia	don't do it where the alpm user has no permisisons and you should be fine
2024-09-25 04:08:21	feinedsquirrel	oh. Then should I update the wiki page? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DeveloperWiki:Building_in_a_clean_chroot#Setting_up_a_chroot
2024-09-25 04:08:22	phrik	Title: DeveloperWiki:Building in a clean chroot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-25 04:08:48	Scimmia	probably
2024-09-25 04:09:12	Scimmia	try it to be sure, though, but everything I've seen with this problem is people trying to do things in home
2024-09-25 04:10:12	feinedsquirrel	Ok. Just to clarify then, if I make a /chroots dir at the base of my file system, I think the group owner of that dir, with a g+s, should be alpm?
2024-09-25 04:10:34	feinedsquirrel	trying it now, anyway
2024-09-25 04:13:07	Scimmia	I haven't had any problem building in /var/archbuild with the convienence scripts.
2024-09-25 04:13:29	Scimmia	 /var/lib/archbuild
2024-09-25 04:14:02	Scimmia	the issue, I believe, is the 700 default in /home
2024-09-25 04:16:22	Scimmia	or, as you said, disable the download sandbox and download everything as root as previous versions did
2024-09-25 04:16:24	feinedsquirrel	Oh, yep, no need to make the dir group owned by alpm. I just tried both. Doesn't harm anything, but isn't necessary either. Makes sense it can't get past /home/$user
2024-09-25 04:17:35	feinedsquirrel	Nah, with it explained, I'm heppy to keep the unaldultered config if I can put it that way. better to understand and properly use the new behavior than forever seek to force the old
2024-09-25 04:17:54	feinedsquirrel	thanks for the pointers. I'll submit some changes to the wiki page in a little bit.
2024-09-25 05:15:57	derSpasm	So, I let the battery drain on my laptop the other night, and didn't plug it in for a day or two.  When I came back, I couldn't sign in to my systemd-homed account, it was refusing to let me sign in.
2024-09-25 05:16:32	derSpasm	After some investigation, I saw that my homed volume was in a dirty state.  Panicking, I furiously searched for a solution.
2024-09-25 05:16:54	derSpasm	Turns out I had a couple of NFS user shares mounted in my home directory
2024-09-25 05:17:01	derSpasm	...when the battery died
2024-09-25 05:17:43	derSpasm	Those mount points weren't mounted anymore, but they existed in my homed volume mountpoint still, and that's why I couldn't log in.  Deleting those two directories fixed it.
2024-09-25 05:18:06	zayd	recently started using my corsair HS80s on my desktop, is there any way to stop the random beeping? like every time i'm listening to something once every few minutes there's just a boop from the headset and it's extremely annoying
2024-09-25 05:18:46	derSpasm	zayd:  I'm not familiar with the Corsair HS80s, are they Bluetooth?
2024-09-25 05:19:07	zayd	derSpasm: they use their own wireless usb adapter
2024-09-25 05:19:18	derSpasm	That doesn't mean they're not Bluetooth
2024-09-25 05:19:26	zayd	this only seems to happen in wireless mode, i haven't seen this when they're plugged in
2024-09-25 05:19:34	derSpasm	I know I had an old pair of Sennheisers that required their dongle for it to be reliable.
2024-09-25 05:19:49	zayd	derSpasm: i'm pretty sure they're not bluetooth, there's no way to pair it without the adapter afaik
2024-09-25 05:19:49	mefistofeles	zayd: what does the beeping mean?
2024-09-25 05:20:06	zayd	mefistofeles: every couple minutes there's like a 'badoop' sound from the headset
2024-09-25 05:20:12	zayd	if i had any way of recording this i would
2024-09-25 05:20:15	mefistofeles	zayd: maybe it's getting reconnected?
2024-09-25 05:20:38	mefistofeles	I've been having real issues with wireless headsets in EM noisy environments
2024-09-25 05:20:39	zayd	mefistofeles: 90% of the time when it does it the audio doesn't stop, but i'll check that the usb is in correctly
2024-09-25 05:20:45	mefistofeles	getting lag and reconnected all the time
2024-09-25 05:20:49	zayd	EM noisy?
2024-09-25 05:20:55	mefistofeles	"electromagnetic" 
2024-09-25 05:21:12	derSpasm	zayd: they're probably Bluetooth, it doesn't make sense to reinvent the wheel.  It may be they need special firmware settings or something, or can ensure their headphones work without having to deal with dodgy Bluetooth controllers or bad drivers (like on Linux)
2024-09-25 05:21:52	zayd	oh also the noise it makes is different from the noise when it connects
2024-09-25 05:21:59	mefistofeles	derSpasm: they could be 2.4ghz (wifi)
2024-09-25 05:22:30	zayd	yeah i'm pretty sure they're 2.4ghz
2024-09-25 05:22:40	zayd	it doesn't have the audio lag i've seen on every other bt device
2024-09-25 05:22:46	mefistofeles	zayd: hmm ok, that might be something in their configuration
2024-09-25 05:22:51	derSpasm	True.  Either way, whichever wireless protocol they're using they hide it behind the drivers of the dongle
2024-09-25 05:22:53	mefistofeles	zayd: do you have another OS to test them?
2024-09-25 05:23:14	zayd	mefistofeles: i do not but i can try redirecting the dongle to a windows vm to see what happens
2024-09-25 05:23:15	derSpasm	I'd review the manual for these, see if it describes the 'badoop' sound.
2024-09-25 05:23:27	mefistofeles	zayd: that could be something to test, yes
2024-09-25 05:23:30	derSpasm	zayd: you have eliminated all other programs which could be generating sound, right?
2024-09-25 05:23:45	zayd	hold on let me try that
2024-09-25 05:23:45	derSpasm	'badoop' sounds like its in response to some event.
2024-09-25 05:24:13	zayd	stopped mpd, spotify, freetube, and mpv
2024-09-25 05:24:23	zayd	the only noise that could really be made now is terminal beeps from weechat
2024-09-25 05:24:30	derSpasm	You're not using a DE that has its own sounds, are you?
2024-09-25 05:24:57	zayd	derSpasm: i'm using kde, which does have system sounds, but the noise it's making sounds much more in line with the corsair noises than the kde noises
2024-09-25 05:25:07	zayd	i'll try disabling the kde sounds though
2024-09-25 05:25:11	mefistofeles	zayd: you can also mute the system sounds to double check that
2024-09-25 05:26:08	derSpasm	Yeah, if you really think they're Corsair sounds, I'd review the manual, or their website to see if they can playback samples.
2024-09-25 05:26:46	zayd	heard the noise again after closing all media apps and disabling system sounds
2024-09-25 05:26:58	mefistofeles	yeah, so it's a corsair thing
2024-09-25 05:26:59	zayd	i'll dig through corsair's docs
2024-09-25 05:27:05	derSpasm	My new (~6 months old) speak English to me:  "Power On," "Pairing," "Power Off"
2024-09-25 05:27:18	derSpasm	I meant to say Sennheisers in there.
2024-09-25 05:27:21	mefistofeles	zayd: try the windows VM thing, there is probably some software to tweak that from corsair as well
2024-09-25 05:27:40	derSpasm	My Sennheisers us a mobile app for it.
2024-09-25 05:27:48	zayd	i think i should have a win11 iso on hand
2024-09-25 05:27:55	mefistofeles	derSpasm: that's because they are bluetooth
2024-09-25 05:27:58	mefistofeles	but these aren
2024-09-25 05:27:58	derSpasm	If you don't want to scrounge around with a Win VM
2024-09-25 05:28:01	mefistofeles	aren't*
2024-09-25 05:28:14	mefistofeles	again, these need the dongle
2024-09-25 05:28:21	derSpasm	Oh, yeah, I forgot.
2024-09-25 05:28:31	derSpasm	It's late, and I've been busy with a two-year-old!
2024-09-25 05:28:38	mefistofeles	derSpasm: haha no problem :)
2024-09-25 05:32:09	zayd	ok apparently win11 doesn't like libvirt's default machines
2024-09-25 05:32:11	zayd	i'll try win10
2024-09-25 05:32:29	mefistofeles	lol
2024-09-25 05:32:59	mefistofeles	zayd: you could also check the manual, it would be very bad if corsair needs a windows to configure that
2024-09-25 05:33:10	mefistofeles	but also, it's corsair, so I wouldn't expect much better
2024-09-25 05:33:42	zayd	computer accessory companies (especially gamer focused ones) rarely care about anything other than latest windows if even that
2024-09-25 05:34:12	zayd	learned this the hard way when i was new and wanted to configure my steelseries stuff
2024-09-25 05:37:07	mefistofeles	zayd: yeah
2024-09-25 05:37:48	zayd	not seeing anything in the manual
2024-09-25 05:49:55	demonicmaniac1	zayd: do you have usb autosuspend on maybe on the port the dongle is in?
2024-09-25 05:50:03	demonicmaniac1	it could be like a wakeup/suspend thing
2024-09-25 05:50:22	demonicmaniac1	i assume wired goes over 3.5mm and not usb
2024-09-25 05:51:30	demonicmaniac1	or it is indeed some sort of integrated power thing for the battery notification of the headphones
2024-09-25 05:51:42	demonicmaniac1	sometimes those applications also work fine via proton though
2024-09-25 05:53:04	zayd	demonicmaniac1: i don't think it has autosuspend
2024-09-25 05:53:08	zayd	wired goes over usb-c
2024-09-25 05:55:28	demonicmaniac1	fair enough
2024-09-25 05:59:29	zayd	can't get it to pair the way it's telling me to in iCUE
2024-09-25 05:59:35	zayd	ig i'll try again tomrorrow
2024-09-25 06:34:12	Gnana	my wezterm lagss on compling anythng on system what i can do about it?
2024-09-25 06:39:36	Edu4rdSHL	Use a better processor and more ram
2024-09-25 07:53:36	gehidore	download more ram!
2024-09-25 08:38:46	snappy	using 6.6.46-1-lts kernel, can't seem to load tun module even though /lib/modules/6.6.46-1-lts/kernel/net/tun.ko exists; modprobe tun gives error modprobe: FATAL: Module tun not found in directory /lib/modules/6.6.46-1-lts
2024-09-25 08:46:32	Edu4rdSHL	!give snappy kernelcheck
2024-09-25 08:46:33	phrik	snappy: compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2024-09-25 13:19:18	susi	and mind that you're using linux-lts, not linux
2024-09-25 13:45:16	gloomy	Hey, something weird happened - aur.archlinux.org is unreachable from... some... parts of my system? 
2024-09-25 13:46:06	gloomy	I can reach it from my browser, but `git clone https://aur.archlinux.org/yay-bin.git` gives me a "Failed to connect to aur.archlinux.org port 80 after 44 ms: Could not connect to server"
2024-09-25 13:47:05	gloomy	wget to the same address also fails ("network is unreachable")
2024-09-25 13:47:22	gloomy	but I can ping it
2024-09-25 13:47:48	gloomy	everything else seems to work...
2024-09-25 13:51:03	aljustiet	Has someone answered?
2024-09-25 13:51:24	Namarrgon	Answered what?
2024-09-25 13:51:45	Namarrgon	gloomy: Are you using a proxy?
2024-09-25 13:51:55	gromit	Namarrgon: talk to the hand! :D 
2024-09-25 13:52:30	astralc	gloomy: maybe something in your git configuration/proxy/env vars
2024-09-25 13:53:05	gloomy	but wget also fails...
2024-09-25 13:53:08	astralc	also, port 80? it should be 443
2024-09-25 13:53:16	astralc	https
2024-09-25 13:53:20	gloomy	oh good catch, wtf
2024-09-25 13:54:22	aljustiet	Namarrgon: I lost connection, there's why I thought maybe someone answered.
2024-09-25 13:54:47	Scimmia	aljustiet: you haven't asked a question to be answered
2024-09-25 13:56:26	aljustiet	Scimmia: Isn't "Why doesn't usb modem work on Always On usb port of ThinkPad T14s Gen 3?" question?
2024-09-25 13:56:40	Scimmia	that never came through
2024-09-25 13:58:10	gromit	gloomy: does it work now? 
2024-09-25 13:59:29	aljustiet	Scimmia: Maybe it wasn't sent due to connection problems.
2024-09-25 14:03:02	eyeoh	probably. I didn't see you ask that earlier.
2024-09-25 14:03:45	gloomy	no. https/443 is unrelated, I just used wget aur.archlinux.org instead of wget https://aur.archlinux.org
2024-09-25 14:03:46	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - Home (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-09-25 14:03:50	gloomy	but it still fails
2024-09-25 14:04:11	eyeoh	aljustiet: I'm guessing the always on port on ThinkPads might be more to do for supplying power to devices to charge. Might not be related how a USB modem is handled
2024-09-25 14:04:25	eyeoh	how are you using it?
2024-09-25 14:04:49	eyeoh	aljustiet: for example, are you closing the lid and expecting the modem to keep working?
2024-09-25 14:05:02	eyeoh	or are you sitting there watching the screen and you lose connection?
2024-09-25 14:05:13	gloomy	https://gist.github.com/ldorigo/38c9d179fb369bbf76c35588aad44098 traceroute seems fine...
2024-09-25 14:05:14	phrik	Title: gist:38c9d179fb369bbf76c35588aad44098 · GitHub (at gist.github.com)
2024-09-25 14:05:28	gromit	gloomy: could you share your public IP via PN? I guess you got banned 
2024-09-25 14:05:38	gloomy	PN?
2024-09-25 14:05:41	gloomy	Oh, PM
2024-09-25 14:05:52	gromit	gloomy: sorry, PN is german, I mean PM 
2024-09-25 14:06:17	gloomy	ooh, that might make sense
2024-09-25 14:06:49	gromit	gloomy: yeah you indeed exceeded some rate limit and therefore got banned
2024-09-25 14:06:50	gloomy	I did a search with yay and accidentally did `^19` instead of `19` to install a package, which made it try to install a million packages at once
2024-09-25 14:07:12	gloomy	I quickly ctrl-C'ed but probably it caused the ban
2024-09-25 14:07:15	eyeoh	oof
2024-09-25 14:07:37	gloomy	Can you unban me? :-) or do I need to contact someone?
2024-09-25 14:07:58	gromit	gloomy: unbanned you, please retest
2024-09-25 14:08:19	gloomy	Works thanks ! Sorry about that!
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2024-09-25 17:06:39	ℹ 	MrElendig es conocido ahora como pantsu
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2024-09-25 17:36:45	ℹ 	pantsu es conocido ahora como evilop
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2024-09-25 18:19:02	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-25 18:24:41	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-25 18:27:35	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-25 18:34:55	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-25 18:38:05	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-25 18:54:05	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-25 19:14:37	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-25 19:37:42	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-25 20:31:43	insidesources	hi, i'm trying to get keyboard shortcuts to work with Spotify, i am using qtile to set the commands up, i was looking here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/MPRIS#Control_utilities and i can't seem to get my system to recognize the playerctld service when creating it manually or insttalling the playerctld-systemd-unit AUR package, any ideas?
2024-09-25 20:31:45	phrik	Title: MPRIS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-25 20:36:26	bonob	What does the systemd unit report upon starting?
2024-09-25 20:36:33	sibyla	you dont need to run the daemon for it to work
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2024-09-25 20:39:35	insidesources	bonob: it says it cant find the service when running systemctl status playerctld.service
2024-09-25 20:39:43	insidesources	sibyla: alright, thank you
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2024-09-25 20:40:22	teraflops	insidesources: is the service meant to be run as --user?
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2024-09-25 20:40:41	insidesources	i'm trying to set up XF86AudioPlay, prev and next for spotify
2024-09-25 20:41:30	bonob	it should be a user service according to the wiki indeed, so you should check with systemctl --user status playerctld
2024-09-25 20:41:34	insidesources	when i run playerctl --player=spotify,%any play-pause manually in my terminal it works
2024-09-25 20:41:52	insidesources	ok thank you
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2024-09-25 21:13:28	insidesources	i'm a dummy, i figured it out
2024-09-25 21:14:12	insidesources	i didnt realize XF86AudioPlay was the actual media key on the keyboard so i was doing double keybinds in my keyboard shortcuts
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2024-09-26 00:55:49	gehidore	Artix exists... watching their struggle to purge systemd from upstream packages... naw.. the problem isn't *here* it's upstream if you hate systemd this much
2024-09-26 00:55:56	gehidore	anywho... this all rather offtopic
2024-09-26 00:56:02	bougyman	Archlinux still has a great community for all-things-linux. One of the most complete wikis, a wide variety of up-to-date packages and kernels.
2024-09-26 00:56:05	raijin	the problem isn't here and I am not blaming
2024-09-26 00:56:23	raijin	bougyman: exactly, other than the useless gatekeeping
2024-09-26 00:56:29	bougyman	Are you saying I shouldn't be here because I choose to use a sane distribution which didn't fall into the systemd trap?
2024-09-26 00:56:59	gehidore	I'm saying this whole conversation is offtopic for this channel and you're welcome to carry on elsewhere
2024-09-26 00:57:06	raijin	dinstro intersectionality never hurt anyone
2024-09-26 00:57:10	connstruct	I happen to quite like systemd. More than the alternatives.
2024-09-26 00:57:39	bougyman	connstruct: how much time did you spend with s6? runit? launchd?
2024-09-26 00:57:43	raijin	gehidore: I mean, there wasn't anything happening so I wanted to discuss systemd vs others
2024-09-26 00:58:34	gehidore	raijin so take it to the appropriate channel such as -offtopic
2024-09-26 00:58:55	raijin	roger that! o7
2024-09-26 00:59:35	connstruct	bougyman: A lot. We'll leave it at that.
2024-09-26 01:00:33	raijin	I suppose it's a question of the right tool for the right jerb.  I still have my fully functional Arch install mothership
2024-09-26 01:32:07	trench	 j
2024-09-26 01:32:09	trench	doh
2024-09-26 01:32:15	trench	https://securityonline.info/severe-unauthenticated-rce-flaw-cvss-9-9-in-gnu-linux-systems-awaiting-full-disclosure/
2024-09-26 01:32:16	phrik	Title: The Severity of the Linux Vulnerability: CVSS Score of 9.9 (at securityonline.info)
2024-09-26 01:33:02	Metroid	clickbait link with no info of worth
2024-09-26 01:33:15	Namarrgon	You're a few days late, too.
2024-09-26 02:08:09	spenat	 
2024-09-26 03:19:50	jenia2	Hello peepz
2024-09-26 03:22:06	mefistofeles	!give welcomerpg jenia2 
2024-09-26 03:22:07	phrik	welcomerpg: Is that a question?
2024-09-26 03:22:11	mefistofeles	fail
2024-09-26 03:22:13	mefistofeles	failing at fail
2024-09-26 03:27:23	Scimmia	LUL
2024-09-26 03:27:36	qkall	fail upwards muh folk
2024-09-26 05:00:25	aljustiet	Where is the trackpoint device located in /sys/devices/platform path on newer ThinkPads like T14s?
2024-09-26 05:09:07	demonicmaniac1	aljustiet: saying t14s isn't very helpful since there's at least 5 generations of t14s now both intel and amd with very different hardware
2024-09-26 05:10:11	demonicmaniac1	aljustiet: at least for gen 1 and 2 it's still under /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/ but if you're looking for sensitivity or speed - that's not a thing anymore that also depends on newer pads having elan which don't offer all the settings of the older synaptics via sysfs
2024-09-26 05:38:46	mefistofeles	discord needing updates all the time is kind of annoying :/ haha
2024-09-26 05:45:49	Natris1979	mefistofeles: there's an easy solution to that but you're not gonna like it :p
2024-09-26 05:47:38	mefistofeles	Natris1979: I know, sadly not using discord is not an option, as much as I don't like it
2024-09-26 05:48:22	Natris1979	mefistofeles: yeah. Thus is the fate of many of us
2024-09-26 05:48:52	Natris1979	*This
2024-09-26 05:49:09	Daanct12	imo discord is still way better than matrix.org when it comes to spam control
2024-09-26 05:50:01	Daanct12	last time i checked you can pretty much register to matrix.org without doing much
2024-09-26 05:52:58	Natris1979	Daanct12: yeah, totally agree there. Discord is pretty good software. You're just at the mercy of whatever they decide to change and I've been burned by companies too many times now. But it's not bad currently 
2024-09-26 05:54:15	demonicmaniac1	it bans third party clients, everything goes through discord central, there is no privacy, they can terminate any discord server with all its contents on a whim
2024-09-26 05:54:15	demonicmaniac1	you can NOT compare matrix and discord in any way
2024-09-26 05:54:34	demonicmaniac1	it's also not federated in the sense that you can like freenode lose connection to other instances but still be up - if discord is down in a region it is down full stop and not accessible
2024-09-26 05:54:58	Natris1979	demonicmaniac1: I mean you can compare them, but any comparisson is rather surface level. But I hear you
2024-09-26 05:55:26	demonicmaniac1	fair enough i'd call it disingenous then comparing them
2024-09-26 05:55:40	Natris1979	also fair
2024-09-26 05:56:09	connstruct	given that the common usage of "compare" tends to include "contrast" by sentiment, I don't see an issue "comparing" them.
2024-09-26 05:56:17	connstruct	Given that you just did. ;)
2024-09-26 05:57:16	Natris1979	you can still say "I perefer the tradeoffs of this one tool to the tradeoffs off the other very different tool, both of which allow for communication". 
2024-09-26 05:57:47	demonicmaniac1	fair enough as well
2024-09-26 05:58:19	demonicmaniac1	treat them as equal or being made to solve the same problems
2024-09-26 05:58:25	demonicmaniac1	that's maybe better than compare
2024-09-26 05:59:30	connstruct	Asynchronous text chat medium divided into channels.
2024-09-26 06:01:03	connstruct	There's nothing wrong with comparing and contrasting different platforms that attempt to fulfill the same very basic use case. Saying that that comparison is disingenuous solely because you vehemently dislike one of the options is a bit... I'll be nice and say 'flawed.'
2024-09-26 06:01:30	connstruct	Are there a HUGE number of privacy and security drawbacks to Discord? *Absolutely.*
2024-09-26 06:02:32	connstruct	But there's nothing disingenuous about the comparison.
2024-09-26 06:02:34	demonicmaniac1	i'd have argued it differently in the sense that limiting discord to what matrix does is terrible and that discord serves a different purpose which matrix can't fullfill so comparing things on that level is kind of bad. but i see your point with asynchronous text divided into channels
2024-09-26 06:02:53	demonicmaniac1	encompassing forums then as well
2024-09-26 06:04:04	demonicmaniac1	i stand corrected
2024-09-26 06:04:09	connstruct	Technically correct, yes, that would include forums.
2024-09-26 06:07:13	Daanct12	Natris1979: totally agree, they shifted from being simplistic to giant bloat
2024-09-26 06:07:23	demonicmaniac1	my disingenious comment was really just meant as a made by their devs and marketed towards serving different purposes really - my privacy issues with discord were something completely separate from that statement
2024-09-26 06:07:46	Natris1979	Daanct12: it's what happens to commerical products. Constant presure to "grow" does that
2024-09-26 06:07:56	Daanct12	true
2024-09-26 06:08:53	Daanct12	i remember back then discord was a nice voip service, just chat and voip, that's it
2024-09-26 06:10:06	Daanct12	demonicmaniac1: also agree, matrix is designed to be private as much as possible
2024-09-26 06:11:32	Daanct12	while the other is designed to be simple to use for normies
2024-09-26 06:15:02	demonicmaniac1	i mean discord was born for gaming essentially as supplanting previous attempts with mumble and what not but also extending it pretty much from the getgo with having storage for all kinds of data to send and save via that without requiring dcc transfers or whatever as well as streaming through it and sharing via it and having the low latency and bandwidth due to having regional datacenters and 
2024-09-26 06:15:08	demonicmaniac1	interconnect
2024-09-26 06:18:26	demonicmaniac1	it didn't really occur to me to call it "simple for normies" moreso than just aggregating multiple previously split things like forum + teamspeak/mumble into one centralized thing for communities
2024-09-26 06:20:06	illuminated	is there something wrong with the update servers?  The last few days my speed has been terrible from them
2024-09-26 06:20:16	illuminated	and I'm trying to figure it out
2024-09-26 06:21:35	illuminated	I just switched internet providers.. my speed tests are fine, and I'm pulling good speeds downloading like the ubuntu iso off the internet.. but my updates from arch is super slow..  i was getting good speeds off them initially...  but now they're super slow.  idk if it's something to do with my new internet or the update servers
2024-09-26 06:21:41	Natris1979	illuminated: pretty snappy for me
2024-09-26 06:21:56	sheep	did you try a different mirror?
2024-09-26 06:22:04	Natris1979	I know that's subjective and probably not useful
2024-09-26 06:22:17	illuminated	no, how do I try to a different mirror
2024-09-26 06:22:46	illuminated	whatever update servers I'm using is whatever came pre-established with the distro.  I haven't changed them
2024-09-26 06:22:50	Daanct12	edit /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
2024-09-26 06:22:52	sheep	either manually change what server is uncommented in /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist or use one of the mirror ranking tools to choose one
2024-09-26 06:23:03	aljustiet	demonicmaniac1: It's t14s gen 3
2024-09-26 06:23:13	illuminated	ok let me check that file and see
2024-09-26 06:23:13	Daanct12	arch linux also have a nice mirror generator if you want to change that
2024-09-26 06:23:22	demonicmaniac1	!give illuminated aw reflector
2024-09-26 06:23:23	phrik	illuminated: Reflector - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Reflector
2024-09-26 06:23:34	aljustiet	I want to enable "natural" scrolling for TrackPoint too, since I have this enabled on touchpad and mouse.
2024-09-26 06:24:05	demonicmaniac1	aljustiet: that's not something you can change via sysfs or could ever via sysfs that is something you change via libinput/xinput
2024-09-26 06:24:42	aljustiet	Understood
2024-09-26 06:25:08	aljustiet	What DE do you use btw?
2024-09-26 06:25:08	demonicmaniac1	the property is libinput Natural Scrolling Enabled Default
2024-09-26 06:25:19	demonicmaniac1	errrr minus the default
2024-09-26 06:25:24	demonicmaniac1	i don't use any DE
2024-09-26 06:26:08	aljustiet	I meant WM or WC too
2024-09-26 06:26:39	aljustiet	I could've enabled the natural scrolling via natural_scroll in hyprland input config section
2024-09-26 06:27:00	demonicmaniac1	fluxbox on xorg
2024-09-26 06:27:22	demonicmaniac1	on xorg you can set stuff via xinput but on wayland i suppose you either have a DE thing for it or you use libinput directly
2024-09-26 06:36:06	illuminated	i think my problem is my internet
2024-09-26 06:38:03	aljustiet	demonicmaniac1: In wayland, the compositor handles everything. And when you wanna start compositor, you just run it as any other binary, without necessity to use startx for example
2024-09-26 06:48:13	illuminated	hmm.. well reflector picked some good mirrors.  I'm getting full speed from them
2024-09-26 06:48:30	illuminated	most of the mirrors timed out after 5 seconds.  idk why
2024-09-26 06:50:22	illuminated	i got good speed from the mirrors it selected
2024-09-26 06:50:22	illuminated	but a lot of the mirrors timed out
2024-09-26 06:50:24	illuminated	must be somethin to do with my internet but idk what
2024-09-26 07:47:55	chovy	does anyone know what the binary zzxordir is from?
2024-09-26 07:48:08	chovy	i think i might be compromised
2024-09-26 07:50:55	kode54	zziplib
2024-09-26 07:51:21	quaff	https://zziplib.sourceforge.net
2024-09-26 07:51:23	phrik	Title: zziplib - the library (at zziplib.sourceforge.net)
2024-09-26 07:51:27	quaff	I think you're good chovy
2024-09-26 07:51:44	dcb	you can try `pacman -Qo <filename>` to check for ownership
2024-09-26 07:52:50	kode54	and in my case, since it wasn't installed, I used `sudo pacman -Fy` to update the files database, then queried it with `pacman -F /usr/bin/zzxordir`
2024-09-26 07:53:20	kode54	but yeah, Qo is helpful for things you have installed
2024-09-26 07:54:07	kode54	zzip does support obfuscating ZIPs with XOR
2024-09-26 07:54:19	kode54	not sure why someone would be using that on Linux
2024-09-26 07:54:38	kode54	other than making game demos where you don't want to leak details to casual passersby
2024-09-26 08:21:12	gehidore	doh
2024-09-26 08:48:20	chovy	aerror: No package owns zziplib
2024-09-26 08:49:00	chovy	i don't know how it got on here
2024-09-26 08:49:07	chovy	pacman -Qo says no package owns it
2024-09-26 08:49:12	chovy	zziplib is not installed
2024-09-26 08:49:42	kode54	chovy: pacman -Q zziplib
2024-09-26 08:49:52	kode54	or -Qo zzxordir
2024-09-26 08:49:55	chovy	it showed up on my sysemt 8/10
2024-09-26 08:50:10	kode54	check your pacman.log?
2024-09-26 08:50:21	chovy	/usr/bin/zzxordir is owned by zziplib 0.13.78-1
2024-09-26 08:50:34	gehidore	[gehidore@l450 ~]$ pkgfile zzxordir
2024-09-26 08:50:36	gehidore	extra/zziplib
2024-09-26 08:50:51	kode54	that's what I said over an hour ago
2024-09-26 08:51:06	gehidore	I'm repeating it since it seems that was not being believed for a hot second
2024-09-26 08:51:12	chovy	how do i tell if its installed or not?
2024-09-26 08:51:23	kode54	-Qo only lists files for installed packages
2024-09-26 08:51:24	chovy	no i was just busy not doubting
2024-09-26 08:51:35	chovy	oh
2024-09-26 08:51:38	gehidore	"kode54 chovy: pacman -Q zziplib"
2024-09-26 08:51:45	kode54	you can try removing it
2024-09-26 08:51:55	kode54	something probably brought it as a dependency
2024-09-26 08:51:56	gehidore	untracked file scenario?
2024-09-26 08:52:05	chovy	well now i need to so how do i tell which package owns zziplib?
2024-09-26 08:52:14	kode54	zziplib is the package name
2024-09-26 08:52:21	chovy	on maybe ffmpeg or something. i built a few packages recently
2024-09-26 08:52:42	chovy	kode54: i mean how can i tell what package brought in zziplib?
2024-09-26 08:53:00	kode54	desmume, milkytracker, mpd, ogre-next, texlive-bin
2024-09-26 08:53:10	kode54	those are the indexed packages which require it
2024-09-26 08:53:25	chovy	oh i installed textlive-bin the other day
2024-09-26 08:53:33	kode54	and that would have pulled it in
2024-09-26 08:53:37	chovy	i think it was for some ai thing. i forgot
2024-09-26 08:53:45	kode54	texlive is document processing
2024-09-26 08:54:03	chovy	honestly i'm getting too old for this shit. i can't remember anything anymroe
2024-09-26 08:54:11	kode54	check /var/log/pacman.log
2024-09-26 08:54:14	⚡ 	gehidore feels like dmde-{cli,linux} is compromised...
2024-09-26 08:54:18	kode54	that log should go back as far as when you installed Arch
2024-09-26 08:54:39	gehidore	it prompts for root password then instantly clears the terminal buffer and exits
2024-09-26 08:54:56	gehidore	but this is why we try these things in jails riiight?
2024-09-26 08:55:21	kode54	what is dmde
2024-09-26 08:55:21	gehidore	I'm probably wrong - it seems weird is all
2024-09-26 08:55:35	gehidore	file carver dealy
2024-09-26 08:56:28	kode54	chovy: I can't remember shit without my logs
2024-09-26 08:56:31	kode54	meanwhile
2024-09-26 08:56:41	kode54	I'm bugging the uwsm developer (their package is also in the AUR)
2024-09-26 08:57:02	kode54	I use it to set up login and environment for my wlroots based compositors
2024-09-26 08:57:09	kode54	but it also has an annoying habit
2024-09-26 08:57:18	kode54	it launches all apps as systemd user services
2024-09-26 08:57:27	kode54	it also makes them all log their stdout and stderr to the journal
2024-09-26 08:58:08	kode54	thus, the Chromium bug where my webcam capture makes it flood some gbm/wayland format error every frame, gets logged to systemd journal
2024-09-26 08:58:17	gehidore	that's painful
2024-09-26 08:59:22	chovy	so zziplib can be used in malware huh?
2024-09-26 08:59:30	kode54	no idea
2024-09-26 08:59:34	chovy	i don't have it on my server (ubuntu) just arch (desktop)
2024-09-26 08:59:42	kode54	it's mostly used for zip archive support
2024-09-26 08:59:52	chovy	yeah does the file browser use that at all?
2024-09-26 09:00:01	chovy	or the archiver thing
2024-09-26 09:00:14	chovy	Ark
2024-09-26 09:00:22	kode54	those probably use something else
2024-09-26 09:00:27	kode54	not sure where you got the idea it was malware
2024-09-26 09:00:28	gehidore	what's the focus on malware here?
2024-09-26 09:00:51	kode54	I listed the arch-packaged software that uses it
2024-09-26 09:03:02	gehidore	there's some old cve for it from eons ago but I don't see the malware focus here
2024-09-26 09:06:14	kode54	CVE is probably from the infamous "archiver processes relative paths inside the archive and walks outside the extraction target folder"
2024-09-26 09:07:01	kode54	that seems to happen whenever someone reinvents an archive extractor
2024-09-26 09:14:27	chovy	oh i just saw it logged on my terminal 
2024-09-26 09:14:34	chovy	i didn't type it. thought something else did
2024-09-26 09:14:48	chovy	thought it might be malware
2024-09-26 09:15:05	chovy	as its used in that sometimes apparently, from what i searched
2024-09-26 09:19:26	demonicmaniac1	gehidore: as i gather he was just curious about a weird binary he didn't know as part of zziplib which xors zips for obfuscations - this was about that feature can be used for malware not that it is malware
2024-09-26 09:23:34	chovy	yes
2024-09-26 11:05:28	tonitch	Hi, I want to clone my laptop screen on my desktop screen using Xephyr. I tried to do `Xephyr -query 192.168.1.19 :0` but then I get a : Server is already active for display :0 (it works for :1 but it obv create a new display) Is it possible to clone a display instead of trying to create a new one ? If possible I would like to avoid VNC.
2024-09-26 11:09:19	raster	tonitch: no - xephyr wont do that
2024-09-26 11:09:27	raster	it *IS* an xserver
2024-09-26 11:09:40	raster	it will thus run a new x session with its own display/screen
2024-09-26 11:09:53	tonitch	isn't xephyr a client ?
2024-09-26 11:10:02	raster	if you want to clone  you either use xrandr and outputs (ie clone one output to another) which uses the hardware...
2024-09-26 11:10:12	tonitch	I wondered if I could use a virtual monitor to that ^^ 
2024-09-26 11:10:13	raster	or you use something like vnc
2024-09-26 11:10:34	raster	it is also an x client ONLY because its "hardware output" is a window in the host x display
2024-09-26 11:11:35	tonitch	okay. 
2024-09-26 11:14:34	tonitch	and is there anyway to display a program on two DISPLAY ? like :0 and :1 (I would asume no but worth a try)
2024-09-26 11:15:37	raster	no
2024-09-26 11:15:48	tonitch	okay, thanks for your help !
2024-09-26 11:16:14	raster	(simple version - not without using something like vnc)
2024-09-26 11:38:25	MaZED_UP	Hi. Is it possible to configure archinstall script to setup 2 LVM logical groups (inside LUKS container) such that one of them has a specified size?
2024-09-26 11:48:46	raster	dunno... but even basic stuff i found archinstall to be pretty broken :( it python dumped repeastedly on me tryin to just manually partition and set up a swap partition (which it seemingly couldnt do)
2024-09-26 11:48:55	raster	i gave up and instlled arch ye olde way :)
2024-09-26 11:51:07	MaZED_UP	I tried to install it with one logical group and it worked fine but I don't about doing it with two.
2024-09-26 11:51:50	MaZED_UP	It will be awesome if it (or any other helper script) did that 😃
2024-09-26 11:52:10	raster	as above. it barfed on such simple stuff with python backtraces multiple times... i wouldn't trust it. :(
2024-09-26 11:52:35	Erus_Iluvatar	!toofishes
2024-09-26 11:52:35	phrik	patches welcome
2024-09-26 11:53:33	raster	i'm now done with my arch install... that machine wont need another for many years. :) so need to go poke with archinstall
2024-09-26 11:54:23	toys	why not make a script out of the commands you've used during the install, and you can keep updating it as the system updates change things?
2024-09-26 11:54:59	Erus_Iluvatar	most people manage not to need to reinstall their systems, and might have evolving needs for new ones
2024-09-26 11:55:28	toys	thanks for the "most people" average answer
2024-09-26 11:55:37	toys	most people don't use arch at all, so 
2024-09-26 11:56:07	Erus_Iluvatar	just speaking from watching the forums and this channel but ymmv
2024-09-26 11:57:20	raster	toys:  most people who even use arch...
2024-09-26 11:57:39	raster	people having to re-install things often is a small set of people generally.
2024-09-26 11:58:15	toys	!bail
2024-09-26 11:58:15	phrik	Looks like toys is bailing out on this one - good luck!
2024-09-26 12:01:56	MaZED_UP	I think I will follow this guide instead
2024-09-26 12:01:57	MaZED_UP	https://github.com/joelmathewthomas/archinstall-luks2-lvm2-secureboot-tpm2/blob/main/README.md
2024-09-26 12:01:59	phrik	Title: archinstall-luks2-lvm2-secureboot-tpm2/README.md at main · joelmathewthomas/archinstall-luks2-lvm2-secureboot-tpm2 · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-09-26 12:49:52	MaZED_UP	Is it more secure to install efi in /efi or in /boot/EFI?
2024-09-26 12:49:53	MaZED_UP	I think /efi is accessible by other systems like windows so evil maid attacks can be done. So having it in /boot/efi (especially in encrypted partition) is more secure.
2024-09-26 12:50:07	MaZED_UP	What do you think?
2024-09-26 12:50:59	Erus_Iluvatar	/boot/efi is crap and should die
2024-09-26 12:51:40	Erus_Iluvatar	the efi system partition is, by it's very definition, accessible to other operating systems
2024-09-26 12:51:45	Erus_Iluvatar	where you mount it won't change that
2024-09-26 12:51:46	BrainDamage	MaZED_UP: ... I don't understand why you think that /efi iss accessible by other systemss
2024-09-26 12:51:55	BrainDamage	while /boot/efi wouldn't
2024-09-26 12:53:36	MaZED_UP	I see. Thanks for the clarification.
2024-09-26 13:48:29	ove	I might be very late to the party but what happened to the CVE-tracker at security.archlinux.org?, it seems the latest CVE there is CVE-2023-25012 for linux-lts but hasn't it already been twice the number of CVEs in 2024 than 2023?
2024-09-26 13:52:00	BrainDamage	probably the page hasn't been updated since the migration from gitlab
2024-09-26 13:52:21	BrainDamage	s/from/to/
2024-09-26 13:55:39	ove	oh, is it something that is autogenerated from a script?
2024-09-26 13:57:11	ove	or manually?
2024-09-26 13:58:08	phrik	Title: Arch IRC channels - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-26 14:04:18	ove	BrainDamage: NetSysFire: Ok, thanks! I will check with them
2024-09-26 15:50:01	Giygas	I use arch btw
2024-09-26 15:52:24	eyeoh	I use i3wm, btw; and my quality of life has improved so much since setting the default mode to tabbed
2024-09-26 15:52:26	madprops	how is the tui installer nowdays?
2024-09-26 15:52:49	madprops	i use floating and manually tile stuff when needed
2024-09-26 15:53:43	Giygas	Dear lord, I had the hardest time installing Arch on this garbage Chromebook
2024-09-26 15:53:52	Giygas	It's all I have for a personal computer
2024-09-26 15:55:30	eyeoh	Giygas: do you know if another distro works on it? you could use that as a 'reference'
2024-09-26 15:57:50	Giygas	eyeoh: I did use Nobara for a bit, Debian installed, but had no touch screen support on whatever DE/WM it has by default
2024-09-26 15:58:11	Giygas	Do people still see my hostname?
2024-09-26 15:58:23	eyeoh	nup
2024-09-26 15:58:37	eyeoh	13:57:59 [Libera] -!- Giygas [~giygas@user/Giygas]
2024-09-26 15:59:17	Giygas	Perfect!
2024-09-26 15:59:23	pounce	Giygas: i ran arch on a chromebook for years
2024-09-26 15:59:25	pounce	it was nice
2024-09-26 16:00:26	Giygas	Look up the Acer Chromebook 514, model number CB514-1HT-C6EV
2024-09-26 16:01:04	Giygas	2018 Chromebook with a 2016 Intel Celeron processor at 1.1 Ghz
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2024-09-26 17:18:11	susi	Giygas: you ditched the chromeos? or crostini-arch?
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2024-09-26 17:31:55	Giygas	susi: I completely ditched ChromeOS, because Crostini sucks
2024-09-26 17:32:46	Giygas	I couldn't even use my webcam on Linux programs running under Crostini
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2024-09-26 17:40:23	ℹ 	xapdbac es conocido ahora como alad
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2024-09-26 17:42:07	susi	me on Chromebook now, this one has Celeron N4000 and the other one Ise have is ARM
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2024-09-26 17:42:43	susi	it's been very smooth, just 4Gi of RAM and this N4000 yet this is my media server, web browser and developing station... media server and developing happens in crostini
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2024-09-26 17:43:17	ℹ 	filipe es conocido ahora como Guest2472
2024-09-26 17:43:59	ℹ 	Guest2472 es conocido ahora como arondknight
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2024-09-26 17:51:38	susi	or crostini'd debian, I mean
2024-09-26 17:51:51	susi	had Arch on the other even older Chromebook, but no more
2024-09-26 17:51:59	susi	(crostini'd Arch)
2024-09-26 17:52:09	susi	it's kinda surprising how the memory management works in these things
2024-09-26 17:52:47	susi	I've been using Arch with 4 Gi for years and it takes some doing to make it smooth with web browsing
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2024-09-26 17:55:29	alad	when people accuse mac of being luxury kindergarden they really mean chromeos
2024-09-26 17:56:44	alad	https://www.amazon.de/Fisher-Price-HGX00-elektronisches-Lernspielzeug-Smart-Stages-Lerninhalten/dp/B09BZB2KTG/ref=sr_1_2
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2024-09-26 17:58:06	eyeoh	I have views but will refrain
2024-09-26 17:58:44	alad	:-)
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2024-09-26 17:59:18	alad	I got a chromebox and you can't even use smartcards with it
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2024-09-26 18:07:24	ℹ 	mven970 es conocido ahora como mven97
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2024-09-26 18:09:22	Giygas	Don't get me wrong, I liked the ChromeOS aspect of it when I could use Android apps on it
2024-09-26 18:09:43	Giygas	My Chromebook's support ended for that and it basically crippled my use for it.
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2024-09-26 18:19:46	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-26 18:19:46	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1446 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1445 regular)
2024-09-26 18:19:46	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-26 18:24:19	gehidore	https://0x0.st/s/CvsBxRyhdiL_vsd-4cC3Ag/XYdm.txt this every 1-3 minutes is wonderful when you've got both bt keyboard and mouse -_-
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2024-09-26 18:26:11	rassawyer	trying to set up a network printer, and for some reason the device URI has "(" and ")" in it, which lpadmin doesn't like.
2024-09-26 18:26:28	rassawyer	ipps://Xerox%20VersaLink%20C500%20(8a%3Aef%3A78)._ipps._tcp.local/
2024-09-26 18:26:39	connstruct	Might need to URL encode the parentheses.
2024-09-26 18:26:53	rassawyer	dnssd://Xerox%20VersaLink%20C500%20(8a%3Aef%3A78)._pdl-datastream._tcp.local/?uuid=90235944-1dd2-11b2-947b-9c934e8aef78
2024-09-26 18:27:05	rassawyer	ok, I'll try that. thanks!
2024-09-26 18:27:16	connstruct	( = %28 and ) = %29
2024-09-26 18:27:53	gromit	gehidore: what makes it crash? Can you try to obtain a bactrace with debug symbols? 
2024-09-26 18:27:55	rassawyer	it's weird, because the output already encoded most of the string, but seems to have skipped those two characters.
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2024-09-26 18:41:22	gehidore	gromit no idea what makes it crash- usually attempting to use the thing :P or letting it have idled for I guess enough time for the device to try some sort of super aggressive power saving mode? 
2024-09-26 18:41:39	gehidore	in this case I was scrolling a page in firefox selecting images to delete from a gallery thingy
2024-09-26 18:41:49	avu	fds
2024-09-26 18:41:59	gehidore	sure I can see if I can get a backtrace with debug symbols
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2024-09-26 18:44:34	gromit	gehidore: should be as easy as doing a "coredumpctl gdb -1" and saying yes to debuginfod
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2024-09-26 18:51:47	randomusr	is KDE user content usable? I tried to install some wallpapers and it crashed my system. Bash/konsole giving io errors for programs and such. had to hard reboot as the shutdown binary failed. and now status bars spin forever. Just me?  To be sure, I'll be going through logs, but I'm also considering a different DE at point
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2024-09-26 18:54:06	eyeoh	something doesn't sound right there
2024-09-26 18:54:42	eyeoh	hardware issue?
2024-09-26 18:54:44	gehidore	https://0x0.st/XYdW.txt gromit am I missing a step?
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2024-09-26 18:55:53	Mathisen	hello! im trying to install patoll from aur but getting an error anyone else using this that has this issue with the version bumb from to 2x to 3x ?  https://bpa.st/EBNCI
2024-09-26 18:55:53	randomusr	eyeoh: brand new usb, working for a while without issues. I've had no other problems, til now.
2024-09-26 18:55:56	phrik	Title: View paste EBNCI (at bpa.st)
2024-09-26 18:56:07	Mathisen	patool*
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2024-09-26 18:59:49	Mathisen	nevermind just installing "installer" with pip helped
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2024-09-26 19:03:55	wunit	Mathisen: why are you building packages with a pyenv, though?
2024-09-26 19:04:30	wunit	/home/mathisen/.pyenv/versions/3.10.6/bin/python: No module named installer
2024-09-26 19:05:10	gromit	gehidore: "bt" or "bt full"
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2024-09-26 19:05:59	wunit	Mathisen: first thing that comes to mind is the mere fact that it will be built with Python 3.10 - and likely other things in that package will also be broken
2024-09-26 19:06:26	mefistofeles	Mathisen: yeah, it seems like you should double check that you are using the environment that you expect to be using, I'd presume than when somebody installs something from AUR they want it in the system environment, not in some local env generated by pyenv
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2024-09-26 19:09:33	Mathisen	yeah i know. i have been lazy as i export the pyenv in my zshrc file. so im in it all the time. yes yes i know not that good of a plan for all the tihngs.
2024-09-26 19:10:31	Mathisen	i should make some alias to activate venv instead
2024-09-26 19:10:38	Mathisen	for whatever X project im doing
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2024-09-26 19:12:20	mefistofeles	Mathisen: yeah, I mean, as long as you know where things are, but it does seem that it would cause confusion in the longer term
2024-09-26 19:12:50	Mathisen	yep like right now 5 min ago i totaly forgot i had it
2024-09-26 19:12:53	Mathisen	si point taken
2024-09-26 19:12:55	Mathisen	so*
2024-09-26 19:14:04	gehidore	https://0x0.st/XYdg.txt gromit 
2024-09-26 19:15:28	eyeoh	rassawyer: what do you mean by brand new usb? as in you're running arch on a usb flash drive?
2024-09-26 19:16:05	eyeoh	sorry not rassawyer; I meant randomusr who is.. gone
2024-09-26 19:16:40	eyeoh	it turns out that dim_nicks.pl doesn't work if the last message has highlighted me
2024-09-26 19:17:50	gromit	gehidore: did you say yes when being asked about debuginfo? 
2024-09-26 19:18:01	gromit	gehidore: the trace is missing debug symbols 
2024-09-26 19:18:10	gehidore	it never asked
2024-09-26 19:18:17	gehidore	that's why I asked if I missed a step
2024-09-26 19:18:45	gehidore	it's been 15 years since I touched gdb -_- so I'm a little out of my element
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2024-09-26 19:20:21	Mathisen	speaking of that i told my self to clean up my system for months. maybe i should just do it now. i want to re-install everything actually. if i wanted to a bit lazy again and just use the archinstall does that suport raid (mdadm) now? i have memory it did not last time i tried 
2024-09-26 19:20:33	phrik	Title: Debugging/Getting traces - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-26 19:20:48	gromit	gehidore: does "cat /dev/null "/etc/debuginfod"/*.urls" yield anything for you? 
2024-09-26 19:21:28	gehidore	https://debuginfod.archlinux.org
2024-09-26 19:21:29	phrik	Title: Debuginfod service - Arch Linux (at debuginfod.archlinux.org)
2024-09-26 19:21:50	gromit	gehidore: and is that also exported in DEBUGINFOD_URLS in the env? 
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2024-09-26 19:21:53	ℹ 	resonanttoe8 es conocido ahora como resonanttoe
2024-09-26 19:22:38	gromit	gehidore: see /etc/profile.d/debuginfod.sh which should do that
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2024-09-26 19:24:07	gehidore	sure looks to be
2024-09-26 19:24:35	gehidore	they're all merged NetSysFire 
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2024-09-26 19:29:31	gehidore	I can't say I've ever ran gdb on this machine 
2024-09-26 19:29:40	gehidore	but sure, why not
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2024-09-26 19:46:10	Giygas	I can't seem to get my audio to route through my 3.5mm headphone jack
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2024-09-26 19:47:05	teraflops	what do you see in pavucontrol?
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2024-09-26 19:47:44	Giygas	Oh, I don't have that installed
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2024-09-26 19:51:29	obb	Giygas: I also have trouble with headphones. For me it was unmuting a channel in Alsa
2024-09-26 19:51:53	obb	it gets muted automatically whenever I disconnect my headphones
2024-09-26 19:53:44	Giygas	alsamixer doesn't seem to be a package in AUR
2024-09-26 19:54:04	Giygas	I don't even know what to unmute in alsa, even if I did have it
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2024-09-26 19:54:10	teraflops	sudo pacman -Fy alsamixer
2024-09-26 19:54:12	Giygas	It's all like a foreign language to me
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2024-09-26 20:01:24	ana_briated	no matter the OS, audio is forever a mess
2024-09-26 20:02:32	gehidore	gromit I'm going to have to mess with this later today, it happens all the bloody time- at least twice per hour, when it hit every 1-3 minutes I figured I'd complain here but now I'm cutting into work time
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2024-09-26 20:06:33	teraflops	Giygas: how is that going? ;D
2024-09-26 20:06:56	another|	Giygas: what audio server are you even using?
2024-09-26 20:08:09	aljustiet	How can I fix the USB port being bad on ThinkPad T14s gen 3? Like if I move it a little bit, the devices are disconnected. Is this a problem with the kernel module or some sort of that?
2024-09-26 20:08:16	aljustiet	it's usb4 port
2024-09-26 20:08:48	mefistofeles	aljustiet: oh, that sounds like a damaged port/connector
2024-09-26 20:09:09	teraflops	I dont think is sw related
2024-09-26 20:09:16	aljustiet	mefistofeles: Is it fixable?
2024-09-26 20:09:35	◣	feriman (~feriman@user/feriman) ha salido (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2024-09-26 20:09:51	mefistofeles	aljustiet: I don't know for sure, I'd presume it is... but I don't know
2024-09-26 20:09:56	parakovsky	aljustiet: you probably need an actual port replacement. 
2024-09-26 20:09:57	teraflops	aljustiet: is it always the same cable?
2024-09-26 20:11:21	⚡ 	parakovsky didn't even know there is a usb4 around 
2024-09-26 20:11:47	eyeoh	2022 thinkpad; that's not old
2024-09-26 20:12:12	parakovsky	point is you probably can damage the port even if the machine is not old by just exercising too much force on it
2024-09-26 20:12:33	mefistofeles	that said, thinkpads are not what they used to be
2024-09-26 20:12:34	aljustiet	teraflops: Yes, I used to use the cable for the external monitor, but since it's disconnected with little move, I changed it to usb3 port. I use usb hub on usb4 port
2024-09-26 20:12:50	eyeoh	what's usb4
2024-09-26 20:13:03	teraflops	aljustiet: try changing the cable maybe it's just that cable
2024-09-26 20:13:04	eyeoh	USB-C?
2024-09-26 20:13:04	aljustiet	eyeoh: I have two usb-c ports
2024-09-26 20:13:18	mefistofeles	eyeoh: usb-c is the type of conector, usb4 is the protocol version
2024-09-26 20:13:19	parakovsky	wait... this isn't usb 4, give me my money back guys
2024-09-26 20:13:36	aljustiet	mefistofeles: Yeh, 😿
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2024-09-26 20:13:38	mefistofeles	it can get confusing :P 
2024-09-26 20:14:06	parakovsky	ah, do you use it to charge your laptop as well? then the idea of it accidentally kaput is slightly more probable
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2024-09-26 20:14:55	aljustiet	parakovsky: No, I changed it to more stable usb3 port.
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2024-09-26 20:15:11	aljustiet	I have no clue what how to replace the usb port btw
2024-09-26 20:15:18	aljustiet	-what*
2024-09-26 20:15:20	teraflops	don't be ungenerous spending money in cables at least that is what I've learn
2024-09-26 20:15:20	parakovsky	aljustiet: wait... sorry i don't pay attention much. when you say usb4 you mean type-c? 
2024-09-26 20:15:37	mefistofeles	aljustiet: probably somethign to look up in youtube or so
2024-09-26 20:15:41	aljustiet	parakovsky: Right
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2024-09-26 20:15:57	aljustiet	Like I have two usb-c ports, first one is usb4, and second usb3
2024-09-26 20:15:59	parakovsky	probably a bad idea to try to replace a port after watching youtube video, you will need to replace the whole machine after that
2024-09-26 20:16:04	eyeoh	this was a different issue: https://www.tomsguide.com/news/nearly-all-thinkpads-have-defective-usb-c-ports-what-to-do-now
2024-09-26 20:16:05	phrik	Title: Nearly all ThinkPads have defective USB-C ports: What to do now | Tom's Guide (at www.tomsguide.com)
2024-09-26 20:16:08	parakovsky	just find somebody who can do that for you
2024-09-26 20:16:50	eyeoh	parakovsky: wikipedia seems to suggest that thinkpad has one type-a usb4 port and one usb-c something
2024-09-26 20:17:23	eyeoh	let me find the actual manual
2024-09-26 20:17:31	parakovsky	too many port and i am not enough drunk to be a sailor guys
2024-09-26 20:17:58	teraflops	xD
2024-09-26 20:18:00	mefistofeles	https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_T14_Gen_3_Intel/ThinkPad_T14_Gen_3_Intel_Spec.pdf 
2024-09-26 20:18:03	aljustiet	teraflops: Well, Lenove should learn that too 🫠
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2024-09-26 20:18:37	teraflops	imo thinkpad quality has decreased over time
2024-09-26 20:18:48	eyeoh	I don't enjoy navigating lenovo's site
2024-09-26 20:18:57	aljustiet	paravoksky: https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_T14s_Gen_3_AMD/ThinkPad_T14s_Gen_3_AMD_Spec.pdf
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2024-09-26 20:19:10	aljustiet	This's mine
2024-09-26 20:19:12	mefistofeles	aljustiet: I have a p14s, which is basically the same as the t14 with some differences, I haven't had any issues with my usb ports in 3 years. I think you were unlucky or just forced it, accidents happen
2024-09-26 20:19:28	parakovsky	aha, so usb4 is where you plug in the charger 
2024-09-26 20:19:34	◣	toby_ (~mavrix@user/tinwasp) ha salido (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2024-09-26 20:19:49	eyeoh	charger goes into usb-c
2024-09-26 20:19:49	parakovsky	if you plug in to usb-c 3.2 gen 2 would it charge the battery as well? my guess is no
2024-09-26 20:19:59	parakovsky	hm.... ok
2024-09-26 20:20:13	eyeoh	"always on" means it supplies power out all the time
2024-09-26 20:20:16	eyeoh	or can do so
2024-09-26 20:20:27	eyeoh	e.g. when suspended or off
2024-09-26 20:20:36	aljustiet	teraflops: Are there any alternative laptops to ThinkPad having the TrackPoint?
2024-09-26 20:20:39	eyeoh	but yeah this sounds like a hardware fault
2024-09-26 20:20:43	parakovsky	right, sorry i really didn't follow news lately so it is big surprise there is a usb 4 around
2024-09-26 20:20:43	eyeoh	can't hope that software will fix it
2024-09-26 20:20:55	eyeoh	parakovsky: ditto
2024-09-26 20:21:05	teraflops	some dells still ship trackpoints
2024-09-26 20:21:18	noOwner	I have an E570 and so far very happy with it
2024-09-26 20:21:26	eyeoh	wait that one says usb 3.2; and thunderbolt 4
2024-09-26 20:21:28	aljustiet	parakovsky: Both usb-c ports charge.
2024-09-26 20:21:44	eyeoh	anyway I guess the details don't matter. hardware fault imo
2024-09-26 20:21:59	eyeoh	replacement shouldn't be as hard as with macbooks
2024-09-26 20:22:38	eyeoh	example: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004200386021.html (example only - do your homework)
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2024-09-26 20:23:25	aljustiet	ditto
2024-09-26 20:23:32	eyeoh	but the USB-A listing; not that one
2024-09-26 20:23:49	eyeoh	+ youtube
2024-09-26 20:24:16	aljustiet	To open the back side of the MacBook, you should have some special screwdriver.
2024-09-26 20:25:15	aljustiet	teraflops: But they're even worse than newer ThinkPads.
2024-09-26 20:25:20	eyeoh	step 2: replace half of the entire thing
2024-09-26 20:25:42	teraflops	I think dell makes solid laptops
2024-09-26 20:25:49	parakovsky	slightly offtopic but do they now deactivate phones that services with non official parts or something
2024-09-26 20:25:52	parakovsky	apple i mean
2024-09-26 20:26:01	teraflops	yep
2024-09-26 20:26:12	aljustiet	I'm not surprised
2024-09-26 20:26:13	Giygas	I'm going to fucking rip the speakers out of my Chromebook and throw them
2024-09-26 20:26:53	obb	Giygas: relax. did you install alsa?
2024-09-26 20:27:07	teraflops	Giygas: did you install pavucontrol?
2024-09-26 20:27:16	teraflops	also alsamixer
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2024-09-26 20:27:56	obb	yay -S alsa-utils
2024-09-26 20:27:58	susi	I never had neither, alsamixer nor pavucontrol
2024-09-26 20:28:06	susi	I rather do pavucontrol stuff with pactl
2024-09-26 20:28:10	obb	afterwards you should be able to execute alsamixer
2024-09-26 20:28:30	susi	(and alsamixer stuff too)
2024-09-26 20:28:32	obb	susi: sometimes sound problems go deeper than pulse
2024-09-26 20:28:34	eyeoh	aljustiet: any idea how the port was damaged, so I can hopefully avoid the same fate?
2024-09-26 20:28:47	eyeoh	(I have a 2020 X1 Carbon)
2024-09-26 20:29:01	susi	obb: they never are something only pavucontrol can solve
2024-09-26 20:29:16	susi	ain't it like graphical ui for pactl
2024-09-26 20:29:36	susi	I never needed it anyways, and have had multitude of issues 
2024-09-26 20:29:45	teraflops	lucky you
2024-09-26 20:30:17	teraflops	we are trying to help someone that has little experience with arch
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2024-09-26 20:31:47	aljustiet	eyeoh: When I move the cable of usb hub a little bit, everything on it reconnects. If I had something copying, it would fail.
2024-09-26 20:32:30	Giygas	obb: teraflops I have both
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2024-09-26 20:32:59	Giygas	I unmuted something, just everything, and my audio completely died
2024-09-26 20:33:20	eyeoh	aljustiet: yes but do you know how it got to this state?
2024-09-26 20:33:52	eyeoh	now I'm a bit scared of the usb-c port I use to charge.. I might disconnect via the outlet rather than the port every time I hibernate/suspend
2024-09-26 20:34:05	parakovsky	it is basic physics if you ask me you might just unplug it forcefully with a slight angle and that will be enough 
2024-09-26 20:34:08	eyeoh	better yet, I should use a powerboard with switches
2024-09-26 20:34:30	eyeoh	parakovsky: well what I'm trying to allude to is asking if aljustiet "abused" it
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2024-09-26 20:34:35	eyeoh	cause I try to take care of my stuff
2024-09-26 20:34:43	eyeoh	but I don't know if that's enough these days
2024-09-26 20:34:58	parakovsky	you'll be alright =)
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2024-09-26 20:35:05	eyeoh	scared
2024-09-26 20:35:17	eyeoh	hang on, I'm pretty sure I have a switchable powerboard I'm not using
2024-09-26 20:35:17	teraflops	Giygas: in pavucontrol when you plug headphones what do you see in output devices?
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2024-09-26 20:35:32	eyeoh	I heard some AC arcing yesterday on this board when I nudged the plug
2024-09-26 20:36:23	aljustiet	eyeoh: No, I haven't; I bought it used from Banker. I didn't do anything crazy on USB port. It was broken when I bought ig.
2024-09-26 20:37:28	eyeoh	ok good to know
2024-09-26 20:37:36	eyeoh	they probably didn't treat it well
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2024-09-26 20:37:45	eyeoh	the previous owner*
2024-09-26 20:38:29	eyeoh	I think I'm still going to switch to handling power at the board end; because power boards are cheaper to replace.
2024-09-26 20:39:04	eyeoh	I mostly have no other reason to disconnect the usb-c power cable; it's just for fire safety
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2024-09-26 20:40:14	aljustiet	Do you mean power board for laptop?
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2024-09-26 20:40:24	teraflops	Giygas: https://bepasty.priet.us/NkCECphW/+inline
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2024-09-26 20:40:36	aljustiet	maybe dock?
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2024-09-26 20:41:34	teraflops	Giygas: play some music, while playing music open alsamixer and start playing with the outputs (mute unmute)
2024-09-26 20:42:16	obb	teraflops: what bar are you using?
2024-09-26 20:42:23	teraflops	waybar
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2024-09-26 20:43:39	obb	too bloated :(
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2024-09-26 20:44:53	aljustiet	teraflops: Why not pulsemixer?
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2024-09-26 20:45:24	teraflops	I think pavucontrol is more friendly
2024-09-26 20:46:15	aljustiet	I dislike pavucontrol because when I scroll it changes the volume.
2024-09-26 20:46:32	aljustiet	Which is very annoying for me.
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2024-09-26 20:47:23	aljustiet	obb: I use it too, because I couldn't set up the eww
2024-09-26 20:47:25	Giygas	teraflops: https://i.imgur.com/BhahWM5.png Something like this
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2024-09-26 20:47:59	eyeoh	18:40:14 <aljustiet> Do you mean power board for laptop?
2024-09-26 20:48:03	eyeoh	sorry no, I meant a power outlet extension board thing; that I plug my laptop charger into
2024-09-26 20:48:46	teraflops	Giygas: hmm, why are there 3 devices with the same name?
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2024-09-26 20:49:27	eyeoh	found a couple of spares, including one where I've taped off a dodgy socket...
2024-09-26 20:49:27	eyeoh	which actually is probably better than the current one (no switches) I'm using, which is getting loose
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2024-09-26 20:49:29	Giygas	I don't fucking know, lol
2024-09-26 20:49:36	Giygas	It's a lot more than that
2024-09-26 20:49:40	Giygas	It says it's a cluster
2024-09-26 20:49:51	Giygas	Two microphones with the same name, too
2024-09-26 20:49:55	teraflops	Giygas: maybe you unmuted wy too much in alsamixer
2024-09-26 20:50:00	teraflops	way
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2024-09-26 20:50:40	Giygas	Yeah, no matter what combo I did for unmuting, nothing changed, so I unmuted all and lost my audio
2024-09-26 20:51:09	Giygas	And then, even funnier, when I unplug my headset, my volume goes up, if I plug it, my audio volume goes down
2024-09-26 20:51:18	Giygas	But only on my speakers
2024-09-26 20:51:32	Giygas	Nothing but a crisp air-ish sound coming from my headset
2024-09-26 20:51:48	aljustiet	I have this constant error repeating every 2s in dmesg: `[48900.237843] usb usb10-port1: Cannot enable. Maybe the USB cable is bad?`
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2024-09-26 20:54:40	aljustiet	Is it because of hardware?
2024-09-26 20:57:00	teraflops	Giygas: at least try to revert the issue to at least have sound. then from there look on how to get headsets working
2024-09-26 20:57:14	eyeoh	aljustiet: try and bend your USB cable's plug
2024-09-26 20:57:31	Strykar	aljustiet: I got that recently with an old USB2 hub, it is most likely a cable as the log suggests
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2024-09-26 20:57:50	eyeoh	maybe see how a USB flash drive fares
2024-09-26 20:57:57	eyeoh	will data transfer, etc
2024-09-26 20:58:12	eyeoh	anyway; I've sorted out and improved my power situation here so thanks for the prompt
2024-09-26 20:59:09	Giygas	Also, I always use Rick Astley to test my audio, no matter what computer, OS, device, or otherwise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPYZpwSpKmA
2024-09-26 20:59:11	phrik	Title: - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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2024-09-26 20:59:16	Giygas	This music is a fucking jam
2024-09-26 20:59:35	eyeoh	we'll just ignore my cable management. We don't talk about that.
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2024-09-26 21:01:24	aljustiet	eyeoh: data transfers
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2024-09-26 21:05:50	eyeoh	aljustiet: so what doesn't actually work so well? the cable for - ?
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2024-09-26 21:10:05	Giygas	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jgrCKhxE1s
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2024-09-26 21:18:48	eyeoh	ian|: hmm, this might be relevant: https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/jzn9rp/how_are_man_pages_better_on_freebsd/
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2024-09-26 21:19:20	ℹ 	pure400 es conocido ahora como pure40
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2024-09-26 21:19:33	ℹ 	dongcarl3 es conocido ahora como dongcarl
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2024-09-26 21:20:16	just_me	they declared independance
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2024-09-26 21:20:37	eyeoh	If I'm understanding correctly, man-db is more the linux default, whereas mandoc is more freebsd, but some might argue is better?
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2024-09-26 21:22:11	teraflops	debian and most linux distros except void recommend mandb
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2024-09-26 21:22:48	eyeoh	yeah I'm only familiar with mandb
2024-09-26 21:22:48	teraflops	arch as always lets you pick the one you want
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2024-09-26 21:23:00	eyeoh	and I think since we have web browsers and search, mandb is fine
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2024-09-26 21:23:15	teraflops	I found this https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/archmanweb/-/issues/42
2024-09-26 21:23:16	phrik	Title: mandoc v.s. man-db? (#42) · Issues · Arch Linux / archmanweb · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-09-26 21:23:29	eyeoh	https://www.mankier.com/?q=man
2024-09-26 21:23:30	phrik	Title: Man Pages | ManKier (at www.mankier.com)
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2024-09-26 21:26:45	aljustiet	eyeoh: The cable for usb hub, monitor cable, ... . It's just bad
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2024-09-26 21:27:24	eyeoh	aljustiet: hmm hopefully everything is fixed if you replace just that?
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2024-09-26 21:27:38	eyeoh	I'd try bending it a bit
2024-09-26 21:27:55	eyeoh	first in one direction; then the other if one way doesn't work
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2024-09-26 21:28:41	eyeoh	It's so common for USB hubs to be dodgy. probably cheaply made for profit
2024-09-26 21:29:05	Trel	Anyone have an issue with the onboard keyboard segfaulting?
2024-09-26 21:29:18	Trel	(particuarly if you use Plasma on x11)
2024-09-26 21:29:35	eyeoh	graphics driver issue?
2024-09-26 21:29:54	Trel	Doesn't look like it from the segfault, looks python related to be honest
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2024-09-26 21:30:27	Trel	though not sure what python library or whatnot
2024-09-26 21:30:36	Trel	I'm gonna pastebin the segfault
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2024-09-26 21:34:06	Trel	https://termbin.com/z7ul
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2024-09-26 21:37:20	randomusr	so about that Cups rce.... Just uninstall it or lock it down behind a vlan?
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2024-09-26 21:40:57	Giygas	HOLY SHIT
2024-09-26 21:41:08	Giygas	OH MY GOD, SAVED BY SOME RANDOM GITHUB
2024-09-26 21:42:41	Giygas	This actually fixed my audio! https://github.com/WeirdTreeThing/chromebook-linux-audio/tree/main
2024-09-26 21:42:42	phrik	Title: GitHub - WeirdTreeThing/chromebook-linux-audio: Script to enable audio support on many Chrome devices (at github.com)
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2024-09-26 21:45:03	eyeoh	good ol' random github
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2024-09-26 21:46:40	obb	Giygas: ahaha nice one
2024-09-26 21:47:54	mefistofeles	Giygas: buy them a coffee!!
2024-09-26 21:48:23	mefistofeles	"If you want the best experience, don't use Ubuntu. If you run into any issues, you are on your own."
2024-09-26 21:48:27	mefistofeles	LOL
2024-09-26 21:48:35	randomusr	hahaha
2024-09-26 21:49:02	obb	Linux audio is a bloody mess
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2024-09-26 21:49:26	mefistofeles	obb: it kinda is, modern audio is somewhat complex in general
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2024-09-26 21:50:02	obb	retvrn to monke
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2024-09-26 21:50:24	just_me	Giygas, youre lucky..I still have to use an external usb audio for one of my chromebooks
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2024-09-26 21:51:19	randomusr	I remember this one time when I installed arch and my audio wasn't working. Then I turned up the volume and it was crazy smooth.....
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2024-09-26 21:55:38	Giygas	just_me: Ew, what happened?
2024-09-26 21:57:30	Giygas	Oh, now, how do I make it auto switch when my 3.5mm is plugged/unplugged?
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2024-09-27 10:20:14	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-26 22:09:34	ian|	is it necessary to have "pipewire-alsa" installed? does "pipewire-pulse" suffice?
2024-09-26 22:10:50	rcf	ian|: it's probably a good idea. 
2024-09-26 22:11:00	ian|	alright. thanks.
2024-09-26 22:11:22	rcf	ian|: it covers things using plain ALSA. The pipewire-pulse is just for applications using the pulseaudio API. 
2024-09-26 22:13:15	obb	pipewire-pulse should be enough
2024-09-26 22:38:02	Giygas	Would a USB headset be easier to get working on Linux?
2024-09-26 22:38:29	rcf	Easier than what? 
2024-09-26 22:38:34	rcf	Regardless, I never had issues with using one. 
2024-09-26 22:42:36	Giygas	rcf: than a 3.5mm headset
2024-09-26 22:44:43	rcf	Giygas: it depends on the inputs your computer has. 
2024-09-26 22:46:48	obb	I wrote a script setting the necessary sound settings with amixer so that I can use my headphones...
2024-09-27 00:00:44	guns	I'd like to conditionally set the new DownloadUser option in pacman 7 from a command line. Does pacman support arbitrary option overrides from the command line, or will I have to construct an alternate pacman.conf and use the --config option?
2024-09-27 00:09:57	gromit	guns: what's your usecase?
2024-09-27 00:11:12	guns	alpm user can't read files installed with -U file://
2024-09-27 00:11:16	guns	like this guy https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman/-/issues/188
2024-09-27 00:11:17	phrik	Title: Pacman v7 cannot access a repo from local (file:///path/to/repo) (#188) · Issues · Pacman / Pacman · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-09-27 00:13:40	guns	This is not a feature request; it's not difficult to work around, but just want to make sure this isn't already a pacman feature
2024-09-27 00:19:43	gromit	guns: you can just pass --disable-sandbox for the times that you don't want to use it :) 
2024-09-27 00:24:09	guns	gromit: That's a nice tip, but unfortunately read permissions of the file and parent directories can still cause it to fail
2024-09-27 00:48:55	Giygas	How can I fix an issue in a full-screen game running on my Shadow PC (a cloud streaming service), where the mouse doesn't seem to be locked into the game window? The mouse cursor stops at the edges of the screen, both horizontally and vertically, instead of staying within the game.
2024-09-27 00:49:41	Giygas	Arch is obviously unsupported, so they won't accept any tickets regarding the issue.
2024-09-27 00:50:14	MacGyver	"It stops at the edges of the screen" sounds like staying within the game to me, so can you be a bit more specific about the issue?
2024-09-27 00:50:54	Giygas	So like, I can't 360 noscope people, it maybe goes 270 and stops
2024-09-27 00:51:07	Giygas	I can't turn any further that direction
2024-09-27 00:51:24	Giygas	I can't look down fully or up fully
2024-09-27 00:54:36	eyeoh	cloud streaming service hmm
2024-09-27 00:55:46	eyeoh	oh is that a bit like what google stadia was meant to be?
2024-09-27 00:56:11	obb	skill issue
2024-09-27 00:56:41	Giygas	Basically, Stadia
2024-09-27 00:57:26	Giygas	https://shadow.tech/
2024-09-27 00:57:27	phrik	Title: Shadow PC Gaming - Ultimate Cloud Gaming Platform | Shadow.tech (at shadow.tech)
2024-09-27 00:58:11	Namarrgon	Does it run through a browser?
2024-09-27 00:58:28	greenstalk	/
2024-09-27 00:58:36	Namarrgon	\
2024-09-27 00:58:36	Giygas	It's an AppImage
2024-09-27 00:59:10	eyeoh	do you have more info; this sounds obscure
2024-09-27 00:59:13	Giygas	There is a web version, but it's in Alpha stage, not a fully fledged thing
2024-09-27 00:59:34	eyeoh	I can't even find where to download it
2024-09-27 00:59:47	Giygas	I've had this issue on every distro of Linux I've tried it on, it's a subscription thing
2024-09-27 00:59:58	Giygas	I gotta pay $30 monthly for this
2024-09-27 01:00:14	eyeoh	what about ubuntu?
2024-09-27 01:00:14	Namarrgon	Which distro do they support?
2024-09-27 01:00:19	eyeoh	https://shadow.tech/download
2024-09-27 01:00:22	phrik	Title: Download Shadow PC and Drive for Windows, macOS, iOS, and Android. (at shadow.tech)
2024-09-27 01:00:32	eyeoh	like, does it even work on ubuntu?
2024-09-27 01:00:33	Giygas	They support Debian, lol
2024-09-27 01:00:45	Namarrgon	Does it work on debian?
2024-09-27 01:01:01	Giygas	It works on Debian but has that same issue that I've experienced
2024-09-27 01:01:08	eyeoh	so... it doesn't work at all
2024-09-27 01:01:21	Giygas	It works, but I've had issues specifically
2024-09-27 01:01:29	Giygas	It's best on Windows
2024-09-27 01:01:37	Namarrgon	You just said that it doesn't work on debian either.
2024-09-27 01:01:40	eyeoh	um, does it work properly on windows?
2024-09-27 01:01:47	eyeoh	I have a feeling the whole thing is flawed and broken
2024-09-27 01:01:49	Giygas	It works 100% on Windows
2024-09-27 01:02:07	Namarrgon	If it doesn't work on their supported platforms then report it to them.
2024-09-27 01:02:39	eyeoh	if their official app is for ubuntu and debian and it doesn't even work properly on those platforms, I can't see how it can be fixed
2024-09-27 01:02:52	Giygas	I did, but because I mentioned I was using Fedora at the time, they must have been confused and closed my ticket as "We don't support your distro"
2024-09-27 01:03:21	Giygas	What should I use instead of Shadow PC?
2024-09-27 01:03:28	Giygas	I'm open to suggestions
2024-09-27 01:03:29	eyeoh	play chess I guess
2024-09-27 01:03:39	eyeoh	I focus on chess and speedcubing as far as indoor hobbies go
2024-09-27 01:03:45	eyeoh	or rather, sports
2024-09-27 01:04:03	eyeoh	the thing is, shadow pc for linux sounds like it's closed source software
2024-09-27 01:04:16	eyeoh	there's no way to help them fix the issues if you don't deal with them directly
2024-09-27 01:04:24	Giygas	Whelp Plasma KDE comes with Chess
2024-09-27 01:04:38	eyeoh	nah, google lichess
2024-09-27 01:04:43	eyeoh	it's free and open source
2024-09-27 01:04:47	Namarrgon	Did you try it on both wayland and x11?
2024-09-27 01:05:14	Giygas	Fuck, why did I try right clicking a message to react with a thumbs up?
2024-09-27 01:05:19	Giygas	Discord has me so spoiled
2024-09-27 01:05:55	Giygas	I've tried both x11 and Wayland
2024-09-27 01:06:12	Giygas	I'll have to try Wayland again to see if that's the issue, I'm currently in x11
2024-09-27 01:06:13	Namarrgon	Have you tried gamescope and its bind-cursor to window option?
2024-09-27 01:06:57	eyeoh	what video card do you have?
2024-09-27 01:07:18	eyeoh	also I'm curious to know what the lag is
2024-09-27 01:07:23	Giygas	It's an Intel Inetgrated graphics card in my Chromebook
2024-09-27 01:08:55	Giygas	eyeoh: Look at the specs in the popup menu: https://i.imgur.com/ltmJ0eq.png https://i.imgur.com/ltmJ0eq.png
2024-09-27 01:09:04	Giygas	The lag is like, nothing
2024-09-27 01:09:32	eyeoh	I'm both impressed and horrified
2024-09-27 01:09:39	eyeoh	horrified that this is how resources are used these days
2024-09-27 01:09:39	Giygas	I'm in Pennsylvania, the Shadow is hosted in Washington DC
2024-09-27 01:09:56	Giygas	So, like, right next door to us
2024-09-27 01:10:49	eyeoh	alright so this is what I'm thinking right now
2024-09-27 01:11:10	eyeoh	even though they say they support "Ubuntu" and "Debian", the problem is that there are so many possible configurations of hardware
2024-09-27 01:11:26	eyeoh	and it's extraordinarily difficult to make sure it runs properly on everything, even if it's Ubuntu
2024-09-27 01:11:44	eyeoh	chromebook itself might be a curveball
2024-09-27 01:12:19	eyeoh	it's doubly difficult when this service is so unknown; meaning not many people use it and can report back and share issues and ideas
2024-09-27 01:12:22	Giygas	Probably, it didn't run properly in Crostini
2024-09-27 01:12:23	eyeoh	compared to say, Steam
2024-09-27 01:13:05	eyeoh	I don't even know what crostini is
2024-09-27 01:13:21	Giygas	ChromeOS running the Shadow PC had the issue of the task bar, even in mouse locked in mode, the task bar would pop over the full screen program
2024-09-27 01:13:23	eyeoh	ah; a steam proton thing
2024-09-27 01:13:30	Giygas	Crostini is like
2024-09-27 01:13:39	Giygas	Linux terminal inside ChromeOS
2024-09-27 01:13:39	eyeoh	I am so behind on all this stuff
2024-09-27 01:15:36	eyeoh	I really don't know what you can do; my chess suggestion was actually serious
2024-09-27 01:15:41	eyeoh	it's really deep and fulfilling
2024-09-27 01:16:08	Giygas	Yeahhh, haven't played Chess since I was a kid
2024-09-27 01:16:24	Giygas	I can play SOME Steam games natively on Linux
2024-09-27 01:16:39	Giygas	I just don't have the most harddrive space ever
2024-09-27 01:17:16	eyeoh	the only reason Steam is even as good as it is on Linux is because Valve wanted to diversify and not be dependent on other platforms
2024-09-27 01:17:43	eyeoh	and Steam being as popular as it is; still isn't complete on Linux; so I can't imagine Shadow PC being a fraction as supported
2024-09-27 01:18:33	Giygas	I tried using the NVIDIA Shield thing, but I got angry because it has a limit on playtime, even if you pay for the shit
2024-09-27 01:35:27	Giygas	These are the issues with Shadow when using Wayland, for whoever asked: https://pastebin.com/MwGNRFS4
2024-09-27 01:35:28	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XYRU.txt
2024-09-27 01:35:29	phrik	Title: Using Wayland, there's no QuickMenuUsing Wayland, mouse pointer is quirky even - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-09-27 01:35:57	Giygas	https://shadow-codex.com/shadow-linux-known-issues/
2024-09-27 01:35:59	phrik	Title: Shadow Linux Known Issues & Workarounds (at shadow-codex.com)
2024-09-27 03:24:31	Giygas	What's with all the Plasma KDE themes for literally everything having garbage ratings?
2024-09-27 03:29:01	xinming	When I try to compile paru, I got error 'this version of alpm.rs does not support libalpm v15.0.0 only v14.x.x is supported', How do I fix this?
2024-09-27 03:30:10	demonicmaniac1	you can't until paru does support pacman 7.0 with libalpm v15
2024-09-27 03:30:29	gehidore	wow it still doesn't and it's been how many weeks since the upgrade?
2024-09-27 03:30:41	gehidore	and the upgrade was in the works for how much longer? that's kind of upsetting
2024-09-27 03:31:09	demonicmaniac1	maybe paru git head does i dunno
2024-09-27 03:32:32	gehidore	I dunno either, I've never messed with those things
2024-09-27 03:32:37	demonicmaniac1	https://github.com/Morganamilo/paru/releases this would claim there is a main release supporting pacman 7 for some time
2024-09-27 03:32:41	phrik	Title: Releases · Morganamilo/paru · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-09-27 03:33:18	demonicmaniac1	xinming: clean build i suppose making sure aur is 2.0.4 and removing maybe old stale src/pkg
2024-09-27 03:34:15	gehidore	uhhh the one listed on aur says it supports 7 so my comment was too soon
2024-09-27 03:34:23	gehidore	oh damn I'm scrolled up again
2024-09-27 03:47:15	xinming	I use git clone way of aur repo, I did a clean build, still doesn't work
2024-09-27 03:47:30	xinming	Is git repo of aur repo dead?
2024-09-27 03:54:28	mags	xinming: nope
2024-09-27 04:30:40	xinming	mags: But when I try to update google-chrome in aur, It's still at 126
2024-09-27 05:11:42	ana_ana	xinming: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/google-chrome looks like 129 to me
2024-09-27 05:14:28	eyeoh	xinming: did you originally install chrome using some other method?
2024-09-27 05:39:43	eyeoh	jclsn: virtualbox mentioned here https://youtu.be/T6QnpdHowEo?t=212
2024-09-27 05:40:04	eyeoh	> Do Linux Kernel Updates Really Matter? (December 2022)
2024-09-27 06:09:20	xinming	eyeoh: Nope, it's just when I try to do git-fetch on the aur git repo, The google-chrome branch is still 126, I'll do a new checkout.
2024-09-27 06:14:47	gehidore	gromit lurking?
2024-09-27 07:35:09	mlerp	Hello, I haven't booted up blender for a while, but when i tried to yesterday, it just opened a blank windows for about 3 seconds, then closed. running from cmd with --debug-all option throws errors that look like this "Received X11 Error: error code 167, request code 152, minor code: 0, error text: GLXBadFBConfig. I've tried everything, but it all seems fine to me: everything is up to date,
2024-09-27 07:35:09	mlerp	including drivers, and every other applications works as intended
2024-09-27 07:44:26	norineko	rebooted recently?
2024-09-27 09:05:34	mlerp	norineko: have, many times
2024-09-27 09:07:13	gehidore	Tried a fresh profile?
2024-09-27 09:10:14	mlerp	you mean, in blender?
2024-09-27 09:47:57	mlerp	!paste
2024-09-27 09:47:58	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-09-27 10:14:51	gromit	gehidore: 👋
2024-09-27 10:16:56	low-key	i'm trying to setup appflowy on arch. grabbed the app from aur, and used github for signing in.
2024-09-27 10:17:52	low-key	authorized it on the browser, at which point it's supposed to pass the url to the app but firefox simply says The address wasn't understood
2024-09-27 10:18:07	mkoskar	mlerp: smt smt GLX, try running `glxgears`, maybe turning off compositor like picom if you use that
2024-09-27 10:18:07	low-key	And "You might need to install other software to open this address"
2024-09-27 10:18:27	low-key	is there anything missing in my setup preventing firefox can communicate with appflowy?
2024-09-27 10:18:33	low-key	*from communicating
2024-09-27 10:20:15	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-27 10:24:26	mkoskar	low-key: did it work before? it might be a bug, idk that software
2024-09-27 10:24:36	low-key	this is my first time trying
2024-09-27 10:24:36	ponies	low-key: i blame them
2024-09-27 10:24:46	ponies	917 issues 
2024-09-27 10:24:52	low-key	ponies: appflowy folk?
2024-09-27 10:24:58	ponies	yes
2024-09-27 10:25:39	mkoskar	low-key: so it opens as a desktop app you click sing-in with github and then what? does it open browser immediately?
2024-09-27 10:25:53	low-key	yup, browser opens, and i authenticated
2024-09-27 10:26:03	ponies	seems like his oauth just fails 
2024-09-27 10:26:04	low-key	at which point it's supposed to send me back to the app and that's what it's failing to
2024-09-27 10:26:13	low-key	for instance, the exact same process on Android works just fine
2024-09-27 10:26:44	low-key	launch app, select github to login, launches browser, authenticate, returns me to app where i'm now signed in
2024-09-27 10:26:53	ponies	there is both -git and -bin in the AUR 
2024-09-27 10:27:08	low-key	i'm wondering if it's a browser issue
2024-09-27 10:27:11	low-key	i'm using -bin
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2024-09-27 10:30:54	low-key	it was the browser!
2024-09-27 10:30:59	low-key	switched to chromium and it worked!
2024-09-27 10:31:05	low-key	thanks people! :D
2024-09-27 10:32:24	◣	Ruuchan (~Ruuchan@user/ruuchan) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-09-27 10:34:22	eyeoh	so that app just doesn't support Firefox eh?
2024-09-27 10:35:30	eyeoh	or the setup is not quite right
2024-09-27 10:35:51	eyeoh	oh well, doesn't matter if it's a one-off
2024-09-27 10:38:04	mkoskar	I've never looked in how oauth works with native apps (or oauth in general) but if the app involves external browser I kinda doubt there is any browser -> app "communication" happening
2024-09-27 10:38:17	mkoskar	s/in/into
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2024-09-27 10:40:04	eyeoh	I suppose the key here would be why Firefox didn't understand the url - what kind of url was it
2024-09-27 10:41:50	ponies	firefox doesn't forward the authentication token? that my 2nd guess
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2024-09-27 10:46:02	BrainDamage	low-key: can you paste the filelist of the package?
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2024-09-27 10:46:30	low-key	filelist?
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2024-09-27 10:46:38	BrainDamage	pacman -Ql package
2024-09-27 10:46:59	BrainDamage	normally there's no app-app direct comm for this, you just pass a unique token to a site, and that unique token is used to authenticate the app
2024-09-27 10:48:37	BrainDamage	but that one might be weird and have a native interface to the browser for direct comm
2024-09-27 10:48:37	low-key	https://paste.sr.ht/~low-key/12148e7f082830de710ac3d9a70dd924c466af6b
2024-09-27 10:48:37	phrik	Title: appflowy filelist — paste.sr.ht (at paste.sr.ht)
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2024-09-27 10:48:37	low-key	when i used chromium, i got a popup in the browser asking if i wanted to open the link in appflowy and i said yes
2024-09-27 10:48:37	BrainDamage	and the answer is no, it doesn't
2024-09-27 10:48:37	low-key	returned to the app and i was logged in
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2024-09-27 10:48:37	BrainDamage	mmm, maybe it didn't handle the url?
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2024-09-27 10:48:39	BrainDamage	check /usr/share/applications/AppFlowy.desktop if it register a url handler
2024-09-27 10:48:52	low-key	mimetype?
2024-09-27 10:49:09	low-key	x-scheme-handler/appflowy-flutter;
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2024-09-27 10:49:19	BrainDamage	yes, that one
2024-09-27 10:49:24	low-key	chromium did do what was supposed to happen so i think the issue doesn't lie with appflowy?
2024-09-27 10:49:58	BrainDamage	but wait, they registered it as a file type? not url? that's weird
2024-09-27 10:50:01	eyeoh	I'm just curious about what happened
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2024-09-27 10:50:10	BrainDamage	iirc firefox has its own mime handler, doesn't rely on the os by default
2024-09-27 10:50:22	BrainDamage	which might explain why it fails
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2024-09-27 10:50:47	eyeoh	interesting
2024-09-27 10:51:12	eyeoh	that makes sense and is good to know
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2024-09-27 10:55:13	ponies	this MUST be known
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2024-09-27 10:56:28	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1415 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1414 regular)
2024-09-27 10:56:10	ponies	all these ff guys are authenticating in chrome i bet.. 
2024-09-27 10:56:29	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-27 10:56:35	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2024-09-27 10:56:10	ponies	all these ff guys are authenticating in chrome i bet.. 
2024-09-27 10:56:48	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-27 10:57:24	BrainDamage	low-key: other programs work differently to setup third party auth, they normally work like this: the program generates a random unique token; A generates a login url containing the token as param, and asks you to open it in a browser, you login in the url authorizing the token using any browser, now the program can use the token to login to the site as api key, so there's no direct back comm
2024-09-27 10:57:24	BrainDamage	necessary between browser and program
2024-09-27 10:57:51	low-key	ooh, thanks for helping me understand what was going on
2024-09-27 10:58:16	low-key	and that approach you described sounds much better
2024-09-27 10:58:44	low-key	so theoretically, i just needed to add this mimetype to firefox manually to have gotten this working?
2024-09-27 10:59:20	BrainDamage	this is likely the variation where it's not the program that generates the token, but the site instead, and you need to back-communicate the token to the program
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2024-09-27 10:59:40	BrainDamage	yes
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2024-09-27 11:01:05	wunit	there's also the variant where the program itself also opens a listening socket (on localhost) to which the browser is supposed to make a request after the interaction with the service
2024-09-27 11:01:06	eyeoh	I vaguely recall emcounting this issue but I can't remember with what. Hopefully I'll be ready next time
2024-09-27 11:01:21	eyeoh	encountering*
2024-09-27 11:01:35	wunit	e.g. OpenBao/Vault
2024-09-27 11:01:52	◣	poscat (~poscat@user/poscat) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2024-09-27 11:02:17	low-key	wouldn't an embedded web view simplify things?
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2024-09-27 11:02:39	BrainDamage	"yes", but now you have the burden of a whole web browser
2024-09-27 11:02:51	BrainDamage	with all the security, deps, and crap that entails
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2024-09-27 11:04:24	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1418 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1417 regular)
2024-09-27 11:04:29	ponies	he said it was git. they have their little digit thingi. however, aside from that its just an athenication flow. he will get an auth token in the browser, and the problem begins here -->> 
2024-09-27 11:04:25	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-27 11:04:26	BrainDamage	some programs that are based off web tech sometimes offer that, opening a tab to do the auth
2024-09-27 11:04:50	BrainDamage	and having used a few, the internal tab management often has quite some edge cases
2024-09-27 11:05:24	BrainDamage	the external url tends to have different types of failure modes, so some programs offer both
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2024-09-27 11:05:59	ponies	wonder if: deeplink. do they exist anymore?
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2024-09-27 11:20:41	mlerp	mkoskar: done that, to no avail. glxgears starts with no problem, with expected fps, and killing picom does nothing
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2024-09-27 11:22:06	Namarrgon	How old is that gpu? blender tends chop off support for old opengl versions about every release?
2024-09-27 11:22:26	mlerp	could be that, as its the intel 3rd gen igpu
2024-09-27 11:22:33	mlerp	oh well
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2024-09-27 12:38:28	eyeoh	mfw I'm doing remote support for my mum https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/27/on_call/ "OS/2 expert channeled a higher power to dispel digital doom vortex"
2024-09-27 12:38:30	phrik	Title: OS/2 expert channeled a higher power to dispel doom loop • The Register (at www.theregister.com)
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2024-09-27 12:49:37	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-27 12:44:34	krumelmonster	Hey, can someone tell me how to get debug symbols for the official arch kernels? I need them to perf annotate kernel functions, I believe
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2024-09-27 13:02:12	gromit	krumelmonster: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/linux/-/merge_requests/3
2024-09-27 13:02:12	Namarrgon	You have to rebuild the package yourself, with "debug" enabled.
2024-09-27 13:02:14	phrik	Title: Create real debug package (!3) · Merge requests · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / linux · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-09-27 13:02:25	gromit	krumelmonster: https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/arch-dev-public@lists.archlinux.org/thread/RFHROTGAY7Y2HR265WBX4ZUQVIYQSHKQ/
2024-09-27 13:02:26	phrik	Title: Enabling split debug for kernels? - Arch-dev-public - lists.archlinux.org (at lists.archlinux.org)
2024-09-27 13:02:45	gromit	krumelmonster: It's not a solved problem (yet)
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2024-09-27 13:41:30	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-27 13:40:45	jdarnley	Is there an archive of the debug packages somewhere?
2024-09-27 13:41:30	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-27 13:42:15	gromit	jdarnley: I don't think so, we don't seem to archive those ..
2024-09-27 13:42:17	jelle	jdarnley: no, we don't archve them
2024-09-27 13:42:20	gromit	Why are you asking? 
2024-09-27 13:42:39	jdarnley	I have an outdated packge I want the symbols for
2024-09-27 13:44:08	jdarnley	Fortunately the file is still in my cache
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2024-09-27 13:44:59	jdarnley	Thanks anyway
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2024-09-27 13:48:44	Sync03	If you need help with anything else just ask
2024-09-27 13:49:29	jdarnley	Thanks but I don't think I can ask you to debug own program for me
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2024-09-27 13:58:20	Sync03	I don't think i would want to 
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2024-09-27 14:06:51	krumelmonster	gromit, Namarrgon: Thanks I think I can do without then :)
2024-09-27 14:07:23	◣	dzhi (~dzhi@user/dzhi) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2024-09-27 14:07:35	gromit	krumelmonster: if you want I can also build you a package ^_^
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2024-09-27 14:14:45	mkoskar	mlerp: hmm, I haven't used blender in a while myself, wanted to try it now, installed and it's crashing with SIGSEGV :o
2024-09-27 14:15:09	gromit	mkoskar: are you on AMD by chance?
2024-09-27 14:15:44	mlerp	according to their official website, minimum required hardware for intel integrated graphics is Broadwell, which is 5th gen :/
2024-09-27 14:16:01	mkoskar	gromit: no, rather old intel-gpu laptop
2024-09-27 14:16:35	mlerp	I've decided to delve into the archlinux archives to find some older version that might work, though my batter is running low, so that mighthave to wait
2024-09-27 14:17:05	mkoskar	mlerp: oh ok that might be problem in my case
2024-09-27 14:18:16	mlerp	welp there goes my battery
2024-09-27 14:18:52	mlerp	ive wanted to send you the link to the package of the version that might still work, but i guess i cant anymore :/
2024-09-27 14:19:14	mlerp	*in case youre using arch linux that is
2024-09-27 14:19:53	mkoskar	mlerp: what was the version you had in mind?
2024-09-27 14:19:42	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-27 14:19:52	mlerp	something like 3.4., i think it was
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2024-09-27 14:21:05	mlerp	mkoskar: https://www.blender.org/download/requirements/
2024-09-27 14:21:06	phrik	Title: Requirements & Compatibility — blender.org (at www.blender.org)
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2024-09-27 14:22:58	teraflops	gromit: here on amdgpu 780m blender crashes, if I use the dedicated rtx 4070 it works
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2024-09-27 14:23:33	red_man	hi all 
2024-09-27 14:24:35	red_man	so can anyone tell me if idle or tcl/tk is available for arch
2024-09-27 14:24:51	Namarrgon	sure
2024-09-27 14:25:13	red_man	i searched pacman 0000
2024-09-27 14:25:25	Namarrgon	pacman -Si python -> opt-deps
2024-09-27 14:25:36	red_man	oh 
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2024-09-27 14:33:50	red_man	pacman error specified without input
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2024-09-27 14:34:09	Namarrgon	What was the command?
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2024-09-27 14:35:04	red_man	pacman -Si python -> opt-deps
2024-09-27 14:35:19	Namarrgon	"pacman -Si python" then look at the opt-deps
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2024-09-27 14:36:01	red_man	ok im not sure what you mean isnt opt a dir
2024-09-27 14:36:15	Namarrgon	optional dependencies
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2024-09-27 14:36:51	red_man	ok so pacman optional dep
2024-09-27 14:36:57	red_man	ok
2024-09-27 14:37:03	Namarrgon	python's optional dependencies
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2024-09-27 14:37:11	gromit	teraflops: yeah I was just asking because the ROCM version is known to cause issues that are apparently fixed in the to-be-packaged new release
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2024-09-27 14:37:54	teraflops	if it hit testing Ill check, thanks for the info
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2024-09-27 14:41:10	krumelmonster	gromit: thank you so much for the offer but eventually I'm going to profile a non-arch system anyways. I thought I'd test it on my laptop first because I thought it'be easier
2024-09-27 14:41:31	gromit	krumelmonster: alright! 👍
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2024-09-27 14:42:08	red_man	I found it thanks
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2024-09-27 15:14:43	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-27 14:54:22	MrElendig	like nostromo
2024-09-27 14:55:17	Sync03	red_man: tcl/tk is definitely available for arch but i don't know the specific package. that probably doesn't help much
2024-09-27 15:14:43	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-27 15:20:32	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-27 15:20:32	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-27 15:30:52	cousin_luigi	ll
2024-09-27 15:30:55	cousin_luigi	Greetings.
2024-09-27 15:30:59	H4ppy	12
2024-09-27 15:31:00	H4ppy	Whats up
2024-09-27 15:31:11	plasma	13
2024-09-27 15:31:13	plasma	hey
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2024-09-27 15:32:49	dzhi	lately I'm seeing a lot of these kernel messages before my server hungs:
2024-09-27 15:32:50	dzhi	kernel BUG at net/ipv4/tcp_input.c:5480!
2024-09-27 15:32:50	dzhi	Anyone has idea what exactly is the cause?
2024-09-27 15:33:43	H4ppy	Ill have a look
2024-09-27 15:33:57	plasma	check line 5480 in given sourcefile
2024-09-27 15:34:18	H4ppy	!paste
2024-09-27 15:34:18	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-09-27 15:35:07	H4ppy	The function looks like this https://paste.rs/Um82i.c
2024-09-27 15:35:08	phrik	Title: Source Code | Um82i | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
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2024-09-27 15:36:06	H4ppy	Crap i was checkout out on 6.11-rc6 1 sec
2024-09-27 15:36:31	dzhi	I run Zen kernel, 6.10.10
2024-09-27 15:37:22	H4ppy	Ok heres the entire function: https://paste.rs/ZuLzv.c (as of lastest release)
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2024-09-27 15:37:25	phrik	Title: Source Code | ZuLzv | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
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2024-09-27 15:38:05	H4ppy	The specific line is 112 in the link i pasted
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2024-09-27 15:38:46	dzhi	It happened with vanila and zen kernel so far, I didn't try the LTS yet, I'm nopt optimistic
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2024-09-27 15:38:57	dzhi	thanks H4ppy !
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2024-09-27 15:39:20	H4ppy	np i dont have zen kernel cloned but its definietely that function
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2024-09-27 15:40:22	teraflops	dzhi: give a try to the lts one
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2024-09-27 15:41:40	H4ppy	Unfortunately in the header file theres literally 0 documentation for tcb_rbtree_insert so only the gurus can answer that one
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2024-09-27 15:44:22	H4ppy	dzhi 
2024-09-27 15:44:27	H4ppy	is your server out of storage by any chance
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2024-09-27 15:49:19	H4ppy	Also is that the only information that it gave you was that kernel bug line
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2024-09-27 15:50:27	H4ppy	because if you enable CONFIG_DEBUG_SLAB that would help a lot since it looks like a memory issue when attempting to copy data?
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2024-09-27 15:51:36	dzhi	i booted the LTS so i'll guess I'll find out if i'm changing distro I love ;(
2024-09-27 15:51:51	H4ppy	I'm not very experienced, but if you send this over to the relevant mailing list they'll be able to pinpoint it for you assuming that there's enough info
2024-09-27 15:52:17	dzhi	I guess that'd be the next step, I'm alergic to ubuntus and debians
2024-09-27 15:52:32	H4ppy	we all have our icks
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2024-09-27 15:55:01	H4ppy	Im gonna head off. I'll keep the chat open so tell me if you solve the issue and gl
2024-09-27 15:55:08	dzhi	thanks mate
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2024-09-27 16:41:45	amr	Hello
2024-09-27 16:41:48	amr	I  need some help, with Linux permissions, what man command for it, and what all char's used in it ?
2024-09-27 16:42:38	Antiz	amr: For basic Linux permissions, you should take a look at `chmod` and `chown` documentation
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2024-09-27 16:43:43	Antiz	amr: This might be a good starting point: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/File_permissions_and_attributes
2024-09-27 16:43:45	phrik	Title: File permissions and attributes - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-27 16:45:17	amr	Antiz: Thx
2024-09-27 16:45:25	Antiz	You're welcome :)
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2024-09-27 18:18:03	gehidore	gromit mind a pm?
2024-09-27 18:21:11	oneforall2	just though I'd let you know  lib32-lz4  isn't adding LIBDIR=/usr/lib3 to the pc  file its hard coded to lib
2024-09-27 18:21:30	oneforall2	lib3/lib32
2024-09-27 18:24:21	Amoz	Since gnome 47 introduced the new vulkan renderer by default, i noticed that some of my apps can't show on screen even after setting GSK_RENDERER=ngl in /etc/environment. It looks like it only applies for certain cases like opening the app through terminal, the gnome-shell launcher etc. If i want to open mpv through nautilus it does not seem to have any effect, and the window doesnt get
2024-09-27 18:24:21	Amoz	rendered. How can I deal with this? I just want all 
2024-09-27 18:24:22	Amoz	my apps to work as they did before :)
2024-09-27 18:39:12	gromit	gehidore: feel free! 
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2024-09-27 18:45:35	teraflops	Amador: which gpu? I cannot replicate your issue here
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2024-09-27 18:46:00	teraflops	oops I meant Amoz 
2024-09-27 18:47:23	Amoz	teraflops, https://pastebin.com/8qsPz1aa
2024-09-27 18:47:24	phrik	Title: echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE waylandvulkaninfo | grep -i intelGPU id : 0 (In - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-09-27 18:47:24	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XgzU.txt
2024-09-27 18:48:21	teraflops	hmm here I have an amd one, 780m
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2024-09-27 18:49:20	Amoz	teraflops, and you're on wayland?
2024-09-27 18:49:44	teraflops	sure
2024-09-27 18:49:56	teraflops	what's the output of echo $GSK_RENDERER there?
2024-09-27 18:50:27	Amoz	"there" ?
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2024-09-27 18:50:44	teraflops	on your computer
2024-09-27 18:51:26	Amoz	all the shells obviously have ngl set, that's why it works when launching from shell, the gnome launcher etc. But i suspect nautilus doesnt respect the /etc/environment , hence no rendered window in that scenario
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2024-09-27 18:52:29	teraflops	Amoz: set it up in ~/.config/environment.d/envvars.conf
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2024-09-27 18:53:16	Amoz	hmm good suggestion, let me try
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2024-09-27 18:57:39	Amoz	teraflops, awesome, looks like that works
2024-09-27 18:57:41	Amoz	thanks a lot
2024-09-27 18:57:51	teraflops	glad it worked
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2024-09-27 19:18:31	xecuter	hi, why this is not working https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-workspaces-switch.html.en  with kde plasma 6 arch linux ? change virtual workspace with keyboard. as like as "ctrl + alt + page down" 
2024-09-27 19:18:32	phrik	Title: Switch between workspaces (at help.ubuntu.com)
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2024-09-27 19:20:04	arojas	xecuter: why should instructions for gnome work on Plasma?
2024-09-27 19:21:08	xecuter	@arojas: hmm ok, than ctrl + F*  ;)
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2024-09-27 19:43:35	shalok	How can I map the rightalt key to the compose key?
2024-09-27 19:43:48	shalok	The wiki describes how to do this for X only.
2024-09-27 19:43:58	shalok	I want something that also works on the console and in wayland.
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2024-09-27 19:46:29	shalok	I already tried adding KEYBOARD_KEY_b8=... to my hwdb.
2024-09-27 19:47:22	shalok	This remaps the rightalt key and seems to work everywhere, but I'm not sure what ... should be for the compose key.
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2024-09-27 19:48:06	susi	there's keyd which might be of interest
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2024-09-27 19:50:04	shalok	susi: That looks like it might work. Seems a bit overkill just to remap a key though.
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2024-09-27 19:53:15	shalok	According to evtest, `KEYBOARD_KEY_b8=compose` does in fact map altright to the compose key.
2024-09-27 19:53:37	shalok	Nevertheless composing doesn't actually seem to work.
2024-09-27 19:54:31	shalok	i.e. if I press my new compose key, follow by " and o, I just get those two characters instead of a ö.
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2024-09-27 19:55:15	shalok	Assuming I have a compose key, is there something else I need to do to actually enable composing?
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2024-09-27 20:00:59	MrElendig	wayland?
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2024-09-27 20:02:22	susi	https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/65497
2024-09-27 20:02:23	phrik	Title: console - How to define a Compose Key in terminal (no desktop environment)? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
2024-09-27 20:03:32	shalok	Apparently the set of available multi-keys depends on the locale.
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2024-09-27 20:04:11	shalok	My locale is currently C.UTF-8 so maybe that's the issue.
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2024-09-27 20:05:04	susi	as that's 10+ years old answer, dunno if things have changed in this regard...
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2024-09-27 20:10:16	shalok	That answer describes creating new multi keys for the console.
2024-09-27 20:10:28	shalok	But according to dumpkeys I already have a bunch of multi keys defined.
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2024-09-27 20:10:30	ℹ 	signaryk_ es conocido ahora como signaryk
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2024-09-27 20:10:30	ℹ 	alexdavid_ es conocido ahora como alexdavid
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2024-09-27 20:10:34	ℹ 	Menzador_ es conocido ahora como Menzador
2024-09-27 20:10:34	ℹ 	dorkbutt_ es conocido ahora como dorkbutt
2024-09-27 20:10:34	ℹ 	rubin55_ es conocido ahora como rubin55
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2024-09-27 20:10:35	ℹ 	ymherklotz_ es conocido ahora como ymherklotz
2024-09-27 20:10:36	ℹ 	sm2n_ es conocido ahora como sm2n
2024-09-27 20:10:36	ℹ 	Freneticks_ es conocido ahora como Freneticks
2024-09-27 20:10:39	ℹ 	ursa-major_ es conocido ahora como ursa-major
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2024-09-27 20:13:47	shalok	One of the further answers up for debian describes configuring the compose key itself. Maybe I need something like that.
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2024-09-27 20:21:48	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-27 20:30:09	ℹ 	Juesto es conocido ahora como Juest
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2024-09-27 20:45:55	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-27 20:46:38	susi	also in comments stated, that the limitation is no more since 5.4
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2024-09-27 21:11:47	furrykef	Hmm. Not clear on why I had a mkinitcpio.pacnew file
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2024-09-27 21:12:05	furrykef	.conf.pacnew, rather
2024-09-27 21:12:25	furrykef	I couldn't find any changes I'd made to mkinitcpio.conf, so I just backed it up and copied the .pacnew over the original
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2024-09-27 21:13:29	susi	but did you diff the two?
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2024-09-27 21:16:56	furrykef	Yes
2024-09-27 21:17:20	furrykef	All the differences were comments except for the HOOKS line, and the only differences in the HOOKS line are things I don't remember changing
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2024-09-27 21:30:50	Edu4rdSHL	99% of the times you'll have a modified mkinitcpio.conf
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2024-09-27 21:33:46	furrykef	Why?
2024-09-27 21:36:47	gehidore	there was a change from quotes to parentheses at some point
2024-09-27 21:36:49	astralc	because you modified it? unless you using the only the default hooks, and didn't add any modules or files
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2024-09-27 21:39:03	Edu4rdSHL	furrykef, because you need to modify it
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2024-09-27 21:40:39	astralc	Edu4rdSHL: technically you don't need if you don't use 'special' stuff, like encryption.
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2024-09-27 21:44:02	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-27 21:42:16	Edu4rdSHL	The default HOOKS doesn't include some basic stuff, iirc
2024-09-27 21:42:53	furrykef	Well like I said... I didn't see any difference between my HOOKS and the .pacnew HOOKS except for stuff the .pacnew added
2024-09-27 21:42:55	furrykef	It didn't subtract any
2024-09-27 21:43:08	furrykef	Maybe the .pacnew added something that I had also added
2024-09-27 21:43:31	astralc	furrykef: the pacnew exist if there is _any_ change from the original file. it not merged automatically
2024-09-27 21:44:03	astralc	comments included
2024-09-27 21:44:02	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-27 21:46:18	⚡ 	Erus_Iluvatar has HOOKS=(systemd)
2024-09-27 21:46:27	ℹ 	SubWorx es conocido ahora como Sub|gone
2024-09-27 21:46:53	astralc	just (systemd)?
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2024-09-27 21:47:33	astralc	hard coded modules instead?
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2024-09-27 21:49:34	furrykef	astralc: yes, I understand that
2024-09-27 21:49:48	furrykef	But I couldn't work out what that change was is the thing.
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2024-09-27 21:53:37	Erus_Iluvatar	astralc: yes
2024-09-27 21:54:18	Erus_Iluvatar	ahci, sd_mod and ext4 in MODULES, fsck and fsck.ext4 in BINARIES
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2024-09-27 21:56:46	gehidore	furrykef you said there were comment changes?
2024-09-27 21:57:41	furrykef	Yes
2024-09-27 21:57:59	furrykef	I wouldn't have any reason to change comments
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2024-09-27 22:03:28	obb	has someone here secured his system against cold boot?
2024-09-27 22:05:15	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-27 22:06:34	ℹ 	Anaphaxeton es conocido ahora como Anaphaxaway
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2024-09-27 22:13:58	gehidore	aside from some extreme measures such as storing keys in l1cpu cache is there really any known to be solid method of cold boot attack prevention aside from wrapping the machine a proximity sensor attached to a claymore?
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2024-09-27 22:15:52	gehidore	also seems more likely you'd find a response you like from #security
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2024-09-27 22:17:26	levitating_	is anybody else unable to access netflix
2024-09-27 22:17:36	gehidore	I was just on it via firefux
2024-09-27 22:17:38	levitating_	on firefox I get an "update required"
2024-09-27 22:17:38	gehidore	err fox
2024-09-27 22:17:45	levitating_	weird
2024-09-27 22:17:46	gehidore	update firefox?
2024-09-27 22:17:51	gehidore	update all the things
2024-09-27 22:17:59	levitating_	just did
2024-09-27 22:18:02	levitating_	firefox 130
2024-09-27 22:18:07	gehidore	let me double check again, i closed it ~5 minutes ago
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2024-09-27 22:19:05	gehidore	https://0x0.st/XgoX.png
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2024-09-27 22:19:08	gehidore	looks like it's working still
2024-09-27 22:19:12	levitating_	well if it worked for you just now I am sure that it's either an issue on my side or a CI thing
2024-09-27 22:19:54	levitating_	https://0x0.st/Xgo8.png
2024-09-27 22:20:03	levitating_	really weird
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2024-09-27 22:21:45	gehidore	hrm... I wonder what your useragent string is?
2024-09-27 22:21:57	gehidore	any chance you had something like kernel update that needs reboot?
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2024-09-27 22:24:41	levitating_	good call
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2024-09-27 22:24:58	levitating_	good call
2024-09-27 22:24:59	levitating_	lemme reboot
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2024-09-27 22:31:18	levitating	I rebooted then forgot why I rebooted
2024-09-27 22:31:26	levitating	but yes the update required message is still present
2024-09-27 22:31:57	mkoskar	levitating: try fresh profile, might be some of your extensions
2024-09-27 22:32:18	susi	for that reason I have specific profile for Netflix
2024-09-27 22:32:27	susi	it seems so picky about browser settings and stuff
2024-09-27 22:33:02	levitating	huh incognito works, it is an extension
2024-09-27 22:33:29	levitating	disabling fx_cast did it
2024-09-27 22:36:31	sazawal	Hi all, I have just installed nvidia and optimus-manager on my system. It seems to have worked, I could see that the graphics in use is Nvidia. But I cannot seem to opem the optimus-manager gui. I have installed optimus-manager-qt as well as gdm-prime as the display manager. Help!
2024-09-27 22:38:49	gehidore	good call mkoskar susi 
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2024-09-27 22:39:11	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-27 22:39:11	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1456 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1455 regular)
2024-09-27 22:39:19	gehidore	is that one of those ones wher eyou have to be part of a special group to open it?
2024-09-27 22:39:12	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-27 22:44:52	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-27 22:44:24	amr	What is difference between uppercase S and lowercase s in permissions, And is there any other uppercase char in permissions?
2024-09-27 22:44:53	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-27 22:47:11	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-27 22:47:10	mpan	amr: see the table in this section: <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/File_permissions_and_attributes#Viewing_permissions>.
2024-09-27 22:47:11	phrik	Title: File permissions and attributes - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-27 22:47:11	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-27 22:48:52	amr	mpan: then all char's permissions are " -rwxSstT " only or there others ?
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2024-09-27 22:51:55	mpan	amr: for those bits, yes. Currently. Why do you ask about how the set is limited?
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2024-09-27 22:53:08	mkoskar	amr: imo that representation is confusing, S and s are the same bit, it's best to think of it as bits: three groups of rwx, and 4th group of setuid,setgid,sticky
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2024-09-27 22:56:55	sazawal	Alright, my tray icons were not showing. I can see the optimus-manager settings now.
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2024-09-27 22:58:09	Furai	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/xscreensaver/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads#L52 Does anyone know what's the reason for hiding xscreensaver-settings in Gnome/KDE?
2024-09-27 22:58:10	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / xscreensaver · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-27 23:32:42	ghostbusters2	can i ask questions about endeavouros or will an angry mob with pitchforks come
2024-09-27 23:33:26	HuntsMan	ghostbusters2: only archlinux here
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2024-09-27 23:33:47	ghostbusters2	i am using pacman to install the archlinux kernel
2024-09-27 23:34:17	HuntsMan	on a non-archlinux OS
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2024-09-27 23:37:43	archdemon	go ask in their channel
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2024-09-27 23:39:50	ghostbusters2	ugh
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2024-09-27 23:40:20	ghostbusters2	the elitism is why i switched away from arch before
2024-09-27 23:40:30	ghostbusters2	that and being too lazy to hand-roll luks every time
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2024-09-27 23:41:22	dTal	This is a church, silence is preferable to talk of other gods
2024-09-27 23:41:49	gehidore	"hand roll luks" wut
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2024-09-27 23:42:11	gehidore	>other gods
2024-09-27 23:42:14	gehidore	cute
2024-09-27 23:42:18	ghostbusters2	dTal: 100%
2024-09-27 23:43:23	ghostbusters2	gehidore: i've used arch for many years, the only reason i wanted to try endeavour is because they have an installer than automagically creates a luks container and puts the uuid in the right place in systemd-boot and all that nonsense
2024-09-27 23:44:01	gehidore	it's like 5 steps that you do how many times? I wonder if archinstall supports luks
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2024-09-27 23:45:25	ghostbusters2	last time i managed to get it down only 3-4 failed reboots but it's very tedious to do the whole livecd->cryptsetup->mount->chroot dance each time you make a typo in the poorly-documented dracut config
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2024-09-27 23:48:45	ghostbusters2	what's the least painful way install a new system with an encrypted rootfs and secure boot enabled
2024-09-27 23:48:57	obb	yes the initial setup is tedious
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2024-09-27 23:49:29	obb	ghostbusters2: probably picking another distribution
2024-09-27 23:49:58	mpan	ghostbusters2: Windows 11
2024-09-27 23:50:00	ghostbusters2	too bad there's no distro that's basically arch with a sane install process :P
2024-09-27 23:50:09	obb	Manjaro?
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2024-09-27 23:51:51	ghostbusters2	i remember when arch deleted the "install guide" page from the wiki because it was making it too easy for people to use arch
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2024-09-27 23:52:24	◣	rv1sr (~rv1sr@user/rv1sr) ha salido
2024-09-27 23:52:58	bookworm	there's a reason manjaro has like 4 or 5 bot factoids, none of them very positive ;P
2024-09-27 23:53:15	mpan	You underestimate the number by much! ;)
2024-09-27 23:53:16	ghostbusters2	what is a bot factoid
2024-09-27 23:53:27	bookworm	!manjaro3
2024-09-27 23:53:27	phrik	http://web.archive.org/web/20150409040851/https://manjaro.github.io/expired_SSL_certificate/ and again in 2016: https://manjaro.github.io/SSL-Certificate-Expired/
2024-09-27 23:53:47	bookworm	just turn back the cloaks and all
2024-09-27 23:53:50	mpan	Oh, somebody merged two factoids into manjaro3? Shame! How can we count that now? ;)
2024-09-27 23:53:52	bookworm	clocks*
2024-09-27 23:54:09	obb	https://alci.online/
2024-09-27 23:54:30	obb	is this what you are looking for?
2024-09-27 23:54:41	ghostbusters2	because arch is a bastion of security eh
2024-09-27 23:55:06	◥	eirik__ (~eirik@84.208.214.155) has joined #archlinux
2024-09-27 23:55:36	bookworm	no, but there's well they tried and the idiot who can't close the door at all kinda failure 
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2024-09-27 23:56:13	bookworm	you don't want to see the latter, not once, certainly not three times
2024-09-27 23:58:07	chiselfuse	urxvt: error while loading shared libraries: libperl.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2024-09-27 23:58:11	chiselfuse	what's wrong with my install
2024-09-27 23:58:20	chiselfuse	libperl.so => None
2024-09-27 23:58:35	chiselfuse	yay: error while loading shared libraries: libalpm.so.14: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2024-09-27 23:58:35	bonob	what was the question about endeavour, ghostbusters2 ?
2024-09-27 23:58:39	bookworm	what did you do to it?
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2024-09-27 23:59:10	bookworm	update yay with a version that can cope with the new pacman
2024-09-27 23:59:19	mpan	chiselfuse: sounds like a partial update?
2024-09-27 23:59:36	obb	chiselfuse: I had the same problem
2024-09-27 23:59:47	ghostbusters2	bonob: why did upgrading the kernel to 6.10 make my wifi card disappear
2024-09-27 23:59:49	◣	frodo (~sethkush@2602:ffb6:4:bc3a:f816:3eff:fe94:75bc) ha salido (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2024-09-27 23:59:54	mpan	Oh, urxvt is from an AUR PKGBUILD too. So bookworm is right.
2024-09-28 00:00:02	obb	had to go to the yay folder, do a git pull and install it manually if I remember correctly
2024-09-28 00:00:36	bonob	ghostbusters2: is there some clue in dmesg?
2024-09-28 00:00:57	ghostbusters2	i don't see any errors, and i can't remember what driver my card uses
2024-09-28 00:01:33	◣	Fingel (~Fingel@user/fingel) ha salido (Quit: Fingel)
2024-09-28 00:01:33	ghostbusters2	ah wait now i see an error
2024-09-28 00:01:34	obb	chiselfuse: .cache/yay/yay-bin
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2024-09-28 00:02:01	ghostbusters2	ath12k_pci failed to fetch board data, and failed to fetch board.bin, qmi failed to load bdf
2024-09-28 00:02:27	bonob	can you rollback the kernel update?
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2024-09-28 00:03:10	obb	f*@%$ kernel updates -_-
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2024-09-28 00:03:25	chiselfuse	obb: that file doesn't exist on my system
2024-09-28 00:03:33	ghostbusters2	pacman -Syu seems to have removed the old kernel from /efi
2024-09-28 00:03:44	bookworm	you sure you want to be on that side of the stable divide?
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2024-09-28 00:04:15	Furai	chiselfuse: it's most likely without `-bin`
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2024-09-28 00:05:16	bonob	ghostbusters2: I'm afraid I can't give much good advice, but if some piece of hardware stopped to work with a kernel upgrade, I guess that's the first place to try..
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2024-09-28 00:07:29	Murray7501	bonob: if I have to I usually roll back arch to a certain date
2024-09-28 00:07:41	chiselfuse	Furai: there's nothing there
2024-09-28 00:07:53	chiselfuse	besides, why is other stuff broken like urxvt
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2024-09-28 13:34:02	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-28 13:34:02	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1431 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1430 regular)
2024-09-28 00:08:44	bookworm	because you need a rebuild also for other things that changed
2024-09-28 00:09:22	Murray7501	ghostbusters2: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux_Archive#How_to_restore_all_my_packages_at_a_specific_date
2024-09-28 00:09:23	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Archive - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-28 00:12:19	Furai	chiselfuse: just reinstall/recompile yay. You got issue cause the previous one was compiled against older libalpm which was upgraded. This will fix your yay issue. For the other thing I have no idea but probably whatever other people were suggesting like partial upgrade and so one. 
2024-09-28 00:12:39	Furai	on*
2024-09-28 00:13:05	chiselfuse	yea i only upgraded the official packages on my system
2024-09-28 00:14:01	Furai	So uxvrt dependency might have broken in the process.
2024-09-28 00:14:38	bonob	chiselfuse: your urxvt is from the official repo? In that case, failure shouldn't be related to yay..
2024-09-28 00:15:33	chiselfuse	bonob: idk i have vague memory of it being some fork off the aur
2024-09-28 00:15:53	just_me	yay has a habit of frequently breaking after updates...
2024-09-28 00:16:29	bonob	what says `pacman -Qi urxvt-unicode`?
2024-09-28 00:16:40	bonob	what says `pacman -Qi rxvt-unicode`?
2024-09-28 00:21:51	bookworm	just_me: everything breaks if you bump a lib but don't rebuild... the issue is that this wasn't done at the same time
2024-09-28 00:24:09	just_me	That's usually the cause with yay. People update through pacman -syu and forget about yay.
2024-09-28 00:24:56	just_me	usually...yay will have an update of its own. Usually...
2024-09-28 00:25:04	amr	mkoskar: I made app, And I work with stat.h, I asked to be more clear.
2024-09-28 00:27:50	mpan	amr: it should not blindly assume the set of possible options will forever be the same. It may be extended at some point.
2024-09-28 00:29:21	amr	mpan: Yes, Bit I write for what is there, And When It's extended I will extend my work too.
2024-09-28 00:29:33	mpan	amr: the currently supported values are in `man 7 inode`: <https://man.archlinux.org/man/core/man-pages/inode.7.en>, see “The following mask values are defined for the file mode component…” fragment.
2024-09-28 00:29:34	phrik	Title: inode(7) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2024-09-28 00:32:05	mpan	Note that there is no s or S, or t or T. Those are how some tools present `S_ISUID`, `S_ISGID`, and `S_ISVTX`. To avoid widening the classical rwxrwxrwx notation.
2024-09-28 00:33:15	amr	mpan: OK, Very goo note
2024-09-28 00:33:22	amr	mpan: OK, Very good note*
2024-09-28 00:34:54	amr	The Linux is the best and Linux people are the coolest, But why the holograph way in man pages ?
2024-09-28 00:36:44	amr	mpan: ^
2024-09-28 00:36:53	amr	mpan: Thanks
2024-09-28 00:37:16	amr	Is there offline way to search man pages ?
2024-09-28 00:42:41	mpan	amr: man 7 inode
2024-09-28 00:42:50	mpan	I mean… it’s a HTML copy of the manual. :)
2024-09-28 00:43:59	mpan	You need man-db and man-pages packages installed.
2024-09-28 00:44:42	amr	Yes, I have them
2024-09-28 00:45:38	mpan	Making a note, as they’re not installed by default.
2024-09-28 00:46:24	amr	Yea
2024-09-28 00:48:37	amr	There is man pages for cooking, lol
2024-09-28 00:52:38	H4ppy	chiselfuse: That's an issue with an upgraded library you can either a: symlink yay to an older version of libalpm.so or b: git install yay from source along with the new library
2024-09-28 01:19:37	jacklapinza	exit
2024-09-28 01:22:07	alad	exit
2024-09-28 01:23:00	solsTiCe	https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/arch-dev-public@lists.archlinux.org/thread/RIZSKIBDSLY4S5J2E2STNP5DH4XZGJMR/
2024-09-28 01:23:02	phrik	Title: Arch Linux and Valve Collaboration - Arch-dev-public - lists.archlinux.org (at lists.archlinux.org)
2024-09-28 02:11:02	toys	holy amazing moly, congratulations to everybody!
2024-09-28 02:25:37	ghostbusters2	can someone explain the advantage of this luks/tpm setup? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#LUKS_on_a_partition_with_TPM2_and_Secure_Boot
2024-09-28 02:25:38	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Encrypting an entire system - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-28 02:25:52	ghostbusters2	is the idea that if someone steals the drive from the laptop it will be encrypted?
2024-09-28 02:26:31	ghostbusters2	because if you lost the whole laptop intact, then (if i understand correctly) they could simply boot it with no password and the tpm would happily decrypt your files
2024-09-28 02:28:42	ana_briated	probably for a stationary setup
2024-09-28 02:29:01	ana_briated	something like an encrypted NAS
2024-09-28 02:29:09	ana_briated	that will see many drives
2024-09-28 02:29:27	ana_briated	that way they can just take out the drive and send it off to recycling without worryt
2024-09-28 02:30:25	ghostbusters2	if i don't mind typing a luks passphrase at boot, is there any advantage to involving the tpm?
2024-09-28 02:30:34	ghostbusters2	is it required to enable secure boot?
2024-09-28 02:33:37	ana_briated	iirc yes
2024-09-28 02:34:17	ana_briated	ghostbusters2: it depends on your threat model
2024-09-28 02:35:01	ana_briated	this is a pretty good reference - https://ctrl-c.club/~helenah/articles/the_importance_of_a_threat_model.html
2024-09-28 02:35:02	phrik	Title: helenah@ctrl-c.club (at ctrl-c.club)
2024-09-28 02:35:09	ghostbusters2	ana_briated: thanks i'm familiar with threat modeling
2024-09-28 02:35:36	ghostbusters2	i think "i left my laptop in my backback unattended and someone ran off with it and i need my files to be inaccessible" is part of my threat model
2024-09-28 02:35:58	ana_briated	then there's no real need to deal with the tpm
2024-09-28 02:36:35	ana_briated	since with or without it, luks won't unlock unless you have the passphrase
2024-09-28 02:42:54	ghostbusters2	i guess the pcr measurement stuff would still be nice if i also wanted to prevent some types of evil maid attacks
2024-09-28 02:43:08	ana_briated	I've double checked, and TPM is used in the UEFI boot process to verify binaries to run, so unless you have a fear of someone injecting a carefully crafted bootable worm into your boot partition... it's not that useful
2024-09-28 02:44:12	ghostbusters2	could the kernel command line arguments be changed by editing a file in the efi partition?
2024-09-28 02:44:31	ana_briated	yes
2024-09-28 02:45:56	demonicmaniac1	keep in mind that most secure boot implementations are horrifically broken though 
2024-09-28 02:46:08	ana_briated	that I didn't know
2024-09-28 02:46:18	ana_briated	but that checks out
2024-09-28 02:47:07	demonicmaniac1	the most recent pkfail affects hundreds of devices
2024-09-28 02:47:32	demonicmaniac1	unpatched original secure boots were pretty much all broken because the intel reference secure boot efi had bugs in it which everybody just copied
2024-09-28 02:48:01	demonicmaniac1	there's usually around 1 to 3 major secure boot fails a year and obviously many devices never see a patch
2024-09-28 02:48:27	demonicmaniac1	that doesn't make it "less" secure mind you and ofc you still need some chops to abuse it based on threat model
2024-09-28 02:48:43	demonicmaniac1	less as in less vs not using secure boot. just that it isn't reliable
2024-09-28 02:49:25	ana_briated	plus, the same vectors can probably be mitigated elsewhere, in less cursed ways
2024-09-28 03:01:06	ghostbusters2	was pkfail the one where the oem signing keys were leaked?
2024-09-28 03:01:58	ghostbusters2	i think maybe an ideal tpm setup would be able to boot with a yubikey or passphrase as fallback
2024-09-28 03:08:09	Strykar	What is a secure signing enclave?
2024-09-28 03:11:52	ghostbusters2	"secure enclave" is what apple calls their hardware root of trust
2024-09-28 03:14:55	Strykar	I meant in relation to Valve sponsoring Arch
2024-09-28 03:15:11	ghostbusters2	oh sorry i was still thinking about tpm stuff.. i have no idea
2024-09-28 03:15:32	ghostbusters2	anyone used these instructions before? they look relatively sane to me http://jpetazzo.github.io/2024/02/23/archlinux-luks-tpm-secureboot-install/
2024-09-28 03:15:33	phrik	Title: Installing Archlinux with LUKS, SecureBoot, TPM (at jpetazzo.github.io)
2024-09-28 03:20:24	randomusr	what are the icons called on the right hand side of panels in kde? Is it possible to change/customize these icons?
2024-09-28 03:20:59	randomusr	specifically, those that indicate networking, sound, and usb devices etc
2024-09-28 03:22:17	just_me	randomusr, do you mean the tray icons?
2024-09-28 03:23:18	randomusr	Not sure what to call it.... 
2024-09-28 03:23:58	randomusr	the time is shown by default, and there's a but of status indicators etc.... I don't know the appropriate name
2024-09-28 03:24:17	ghostbusters2	applets?
2024-09-28 03:24:18	just_me	bottom right had side would be the tray
2024-09-28 03:24:28	just_me	and they should change if you change your icon theme
2024-09-28 03:25:19	randomusr	it might be a me thing, in which case I need to find some drastically different icons to install and verify whether they've changed. 
2024-09-28 03:26:20	just_me	randomusr, yeah try a couple of different icon themses
2024-09-28 03:26:31	randomusr	10-4
2024-09-28 03:38:55	boombatz	where is the mirror from where I can download individual packages?
2024-09-28 03:43:19	just_me	boombatz, /etc/pacman.d/mirrolist  ?
2024-09-28 03:44:00	just_me	 /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist   
2024-09-28 03:44:17	boombatz	I want to download packages with my browser is that possible?
2024-09-28 03:44:43	demonicmaniac1	yes you can use any of the urls in the mirrorlist to access them via browser as well
2024-09-28 03:45:35	just_me	boombatz,  http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/archlinux/        for example.
2024-09-28 03:45:37	phrik	Title: AARNet Mirror (at mirror.aarnet.edu.au)
2024-09-28 03:47:04	boombatz	where can I find a list of other mirrors?
2024-09-28 03:47:13	ronron	boombatz: to complete just_me's answer, search a package at https://archlinux.org/packages/, then click on Download from mirror in "Package Actions"
2024-09-28 03:47:16	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2024-09-28 03:48:10	ronron	boombatz: https://archlinux.org/mirrorlist/
2024-09-28 03:48:11	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Pacman Mirrorlist Generator (at archlinux.org)
2024-09-28 03:50:57	boombatz	it sucks that the list have to be generated
2024-09-28 03:54:06	ronron	boombatz: it's a form with get parameter, so you can write a script
2024-09-28 03:54:40	ronron	boombatz: but I don't know what is your project :p
2024-09-28 04:12:28	Strykar	boombatz: use reflector to generate an appropriate list
2024-09-28 04:12:39	ronron	I have a question of my own. Having transitioned from Windows to Linux recently, I've come to the realization that everything seems harder now. I use EndeavourOS, and, for example, following a recent update, I have to invoke systemctl to activate my bluetooth, my cloud gaming software no longer works properly, etc... My question is: do you have to understand everything from A to Z to use a
2024-09-28 04:12:39	ronron	stable and 
2024-09-28 04:12:45	ronron	reliable Linux system?
2024-09-28 04:13:07	Strykar	this isn't #endeavoros
2024-09-28 04:13:41	ronron	my question is generic and applicable to arch
2024-09-28 04:14:01	ronron	especially as I plan to transition to arch
2024-09-28 04:14:19	ronron	but I'm limited by this question
2024-09-28 04:14:35	just_me	ronron, mostly it depends the kind of user you are and your needs. Most people dont need to know anything. 
2024-09-28 04:17:50	ronron	I am the type of user who want a clean operating system. Minimal and efficient. I am an electronics and industrial computing engineer (not to brag but to specify I have certain knowledge), yet I find very overwhelming the Linux experience...
2024-09-28 04:18:19	ronron	forgive my English, it's not my mother tongue
2024-09-28 04:20:40	just_me	ronron, there will be a learning curve.
2024-09-28 04:24:10	ronron	It's not a problem, I am happy to learn. So in a way, once I've finished learning, I'll have control over my system ? How long do you think it will take ? I am an average person :p
2024-09-28 04:27:08	just_me	ronron, i have no idea how to estimate that. It takes somewhere between a few days to a lifetime  :)
2024-09-28 04:29:11	ronron	just_me: hopefully I plan to grow old :p thank you for your response
2024-09-28 04:31:50	just_me	ronron, good luck :)
2024-09-28 04:58:57	ponies	having trouble with password reset in gitlab
2024-09-28 05:01:45	ponies	im not getting a 'one time code'
2024-09-28 05:04:46	zayd	how would i go about looking into what's going on with display bugs in plasma? they aren't causing full crashes, so coredumpctl wouldn't be of use. is journalctl good enough for logging for a potential bug report?
2024-09-28 05:06:50	ponies	the troubleshooting inthe wiki 
2024-09-28 05:07:25	zayd	oh right i should probably test defaults
2024-09-28 05:07:38	zayd	i guess i'll do all this tomorrow, it's pretty late right now
2024-09-28 05:10:34	Root-Atlas	hi
2024-09-28 05:11:02	Root-Atlas	can anyone recommend an emulator I can use on KVM? I wanna play some android games on linux
2024-09-28 05:15:18	zayd	Root-Atlas: i've never set it up fully but i think waydroid is the most popular solution for this currently
2024-09-28 05:15:32	zayd	requires wayland and i've heard it's a pain to set up if you're not using linux-zen
2024-09-28 05:24:46	⚡ 	Strykar could not get waydroid running even on wayland, they have telegramn support thos
2024-09-28 05:28:05	Edu4rdSHL	Genymotion just works
2024-09-28 05:28:05	Edu4rdSHL	Not sure if it uses KVM
2024-09-28 05:44:48	torresjrjr	hi all. has anyone implemented "anti-phishing prompts" in their boot process in the context of full disk encryption?
2024-09-28 05:46:56	torresjrjr	something like two passwords. 1st generates the anti-phishing code words or ASCII image, also a tamper-evident step. 
2024-09-28 05:47:26	torresjrjr	user w9uld confirm, and proceed to the 2nd, normal LUKS decryption password
2024-09-28 05:49:10	mpan	And what prevents the adversary from obtaining both passphrases?
2024-09-28 05:51:41	gehidore	what's the actual threat model there?
2024-09-28 05:57:14	shalok	susi: I finally figured out my key mapping issue. It turns out that all of the X11 keymaps map the compose keycode to the menu keysym.
2024-09-28 05:58:07	shalok	So even though I was correctly configuring the kernel keyboard module to map rightalt to compose, X11 just remapped compose to menu.
2024-09-28 05:59:14	shalok	Weird thing X already maps menu to menu, so by also mapping compose to menu, I wound up with two menu buttons and still no compose button.
2024-09-28 06:15:43	Edu4rdSHL	https://github.com/NVIDIA/egl-wayland/issues/126#issuecomment-2379945259 to fix the VRAM leak on Nvidia + Wayland
2024-09-28 06:15:44	phrik	Title: Xwayland VRAM usage is still excessive when resizing X11 apps under wayland. · Issue #126 · NVIDIA/egl-wayland · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-09-28 09:13:05	chiselfuse	does anyone here use matlab? can i use the free trial by installing the `matlab` package on aur?
2024-09-28 09:15:30	kode54	chiselfuse: the aur package doesn't supply the binaries or even download them
2024-09-28 09:15:48	chiselfuse	what is it then
2024-09-28 09:16:03	kode54	it just packages it for you
2024-09-28 09:16:27	chiselfuse	what does that mean
2024-09-28 09:16:52	chiselfuse	oh you mean i have to pull the PKGFILE and pull the binaries manually then makepkg myself?
2024-09-28 09:17:00	kode54	yes
2024-09-28 09:17:18	chiselfuse	do you know whether there's free forever version?
2024-09-28 09:17:26	chiselfuse	or is best i can do the 30-day trial
2024-09-28 09:17:31	chiselfuse	i'm a student
2024-09-28 09:17:37	kode54	I do not know
2024-09-28 09:35:42	eyeoh	ghostbusters2: I think I can answer your TPM and SB question in my own words if you're still interested in the topic
2024-09-28 09:36:39	eyeoh	your threat model of backpack theft likely means luks alone is fine. however, both TPM and secure boot are different things
2024-09-28 09:37:13	eyeoh	TPM doesn't require secure boot. afaik it's more a hardware thing that provides solid fingerprint and face authentication
2024-09-28 09:37:59	eyeoh	TPM is good. secure boot on the other hand is very meh, but probably necessary for compliance in some corporations
2024-09-28 09:38:42	eyeoh	SB I suspect exists because MS is trying to atone for XP and Vista
2024-09-28 09:39:19	eyeoh	they've been brainstorming a lot with security and have had some successes, but not yet with SB
2024-09-28 09:41:05	eyeoh	if a thief steals your laptop, they can just wipe your drive and use the hardware. with luks+TPM+secure boot, that becomes more difficult and it's more likely they'll consider it a brick and throw it on the ground
2024-09-28 09:41:46	eyeoh	my mum had her ipad stolen from a break & enter once, and I suspect that ipad ended up smashed. I prefer this to crooks profiting and being encouraged to steal more
2024-09-28 09:42:15	BrainDamage	thiefs will likely resell the hardware to a third party, and it's up to them to manage it
2024-09-28 09:42:33	eyeoh	such sales look more suspicious
2024-09-28 09:42:43	eyeoh	compared to a clean working drive
2024-09-28 09:42:57	eyeoh	it's about layers of difficulty
2024-09-28 09:43:14	eyeoh	and you get to increase their own attack surface
2024-09-28 09:43:28	eyeoh	I like to think of encryption as more than privacy
2024-09-28 09:43:46	eyeoh	it's more than just privacy and security, but also a tool to troll with
2024-09-28 09:44:48	BrainDamage	also, TPM does not provide neither fingerprint not face auth
2024-09-28 09:44:57	eyeoh	I would much rather a crook try to resell my stolen phone for parts than as working
2024-09-28 09:45:05	BrainDamage	it's a secret storage device, and encryption engine
2024-09-28 09:45:15	eyeoh	ok that's what I meant
2024-09-28 09:45:34	eyeoh	it's good for fingerprints and stuff, right?
2024-09-28 09:45:41	BrainDamage	no, it's not
2024-09-28 09:45:53	BrainDamage	it has nothing to do with fingerprints
2024-09-28 09:46:39	eyeoh	hmm then nothing I've read so far explains what it does
2024-09-28 09:47:18	eyeoh	I know it doesn't make Linux installs any more difficult (unlike SB)
2024-09-28 09:48:06	eyeoh	for the record, I have SB available, but disabled. I don't want to risk breaking my own boot
2024-09-28 09:48:50	eyeoh	bios/uefi has a password/fingerprint on it, I'm not sure how solid it is
2024-09-28 09:49:23	eyeoh	(it's a 2020 thinkpad X1C)
2024-09-28 09:50:20	eyeoh	for the dumb thief who hypothetically steals it, this would be an extra layer of frustration for them to deal with and look suspicious over
2024-09-28 09:55:36	haggot	Again like was already mention theives will typically sell to a third party
2024-09-28 09:55:47	haggot	sell/trade
2024-09-28 09:57:06	eyeoh	I still prefer this than them selling to a third party a fully working decide
2024-09-28 09:57:11	eyeoh	device*
2024-09-28 09:57:27	eyeoh	I know the chain
2024-09-28 09:58:01	eyeoh	it's about the psychology of risk vs profit
2024-09-28 09:58:37	eyeoh	there's a reason why supermarkets in some places lock up toiletries but not more expensive things
2024-09-28 09:59:15	eyeoh	and no it's not about sniffing, although that can be one factor too, but not exclusively
2024-09-28 10:00:54	haggot	They will typically sell it for under it's value just to get rid of it and make a quick transaction before moving on. Unless you're being targeted specifically by someone. Opportunistic theives care very little about the security on your device.
2024-09-28 10:07:34	eyeoh	you're correct
2024-09-28 12:02:43	obb	can I jump between pages within man?
2024-09-28 12:04:03	Erus_Iluvatar	what do you mean, jump between pages?
2024-09-28 12:04:43	demonicmaniac1	probably hyperlinks info style
2024-09-28 12:04:58	demonicmaniac1	that would be a pager thing not a man thing per se. the default man pager cannot
2024-09-28 12:05:24	Erus_Iluvatar	the web version on https://man.archlinux.org/ has it too
2024-09-28 12:05:26	phrik	Title: Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2024-09-28 12:06:49	demonicmaniac1	you can use nvim as a manpager i believe that handles jumping between referenced other manpages
2024-09-28 12:13:47	eyeoh	obb: there are philosophical differences at play her
2024-09-28 12:13:51	eyeoh	here*
2024-09-28 12:14:24	obb	in what sense?
2024-09-28 12:14:35	eyeoh	man pages are supposed to be a quick reference and info pages are more comprehensive. except the web has largely supplanted info pages
2024-09-28 12:15:15	eyeoh	if a man page isn't enough in their current format and usability, stuff like mankier is nicer
2024-09-28 12:15:31	obb	I don't want to rely on the web
2024-09-28 12:15:44	eyeoh	then you probably want to use info pages
2024-09-28 12:16:22	eyeoh	which are an entirely separate kettle of fish you'll need to install separately
2024-09-28 12:16:47	eyeoh	it'll also depend on the program author choosing how to document their stuff
2024-09-28 12:17:23	eyeoh	that's what I mean by philosophical differences. what you seem to want are info pages
2024-09-28 12:18:01	eyeoh	but I dare say most of us use a combination of man + search (I'll use !mankier via ddg too) 
2024-09-28 12:18:18	demonicmaniac1	obb: qman in aur or neovim default with some options
2024-09-28 12:18:47	susi	less needs at least some color tuning to make man pages readable
2024-09-28 12:19:11	eyeoh	hmm I should do that
2024-09-28 12:20:35	obb	qman looks good
2024-09-28 12:20:38	obb	thanks
2024-09-28 13:12:21	Strykar	some might fancy https://cht.sh over man pages
2024-09-28 13:19:45	siak	I like to make lightdm bring up Hyprland instead of XFCE.
2024-09-28 13:19:57	siak	But can't see a relevant config except user-seesion which I chnaged with no effect.
2024-09-28 13:23:10	eyeoh	the [heading] entries for lightdm.conf matter.
2024-09-28 13:23:21	eyeoh	you can't omit lines containing [these]
2024-09-28 13:24:20	eyeoh	usually the easier way to default to a different session is to log out to the dm, then click a new one, log in, log out again and it should remember
2024-09-28 13:24:27	eyeoh	(the last log out is just to confirm)
2024-09-28 13:25:11	eyeoh	siak: you've found this so far, right? https://askubuntu.com/questions/62833/how-do-i-change-the-default-session-for-when-using-auto-logins
2024-09-28 13:25:12	phrik	Title: unity - How do I change the default session for when using auto-logins? - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
2024-09-28 13:25:54	eyeoh	but this really shouldn't require config editing (see above)
2024-09-28 13:26:55	siak	eyeoh: Guess not. Did not change Session in conf. Will try.
2024-09-28 13:29:02	eyeoh	also https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/LightDM
2024-09-28 13:29:04	phrik	Title: LightDM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-28 13:30:36	eyeoh	siak: did you try this?: 11:24:04 <eyeoh> usually the easier way to default to a different session is to log out to the dm, then click a new one, log in, log out again and it should remember
2024-09-28 13:30:45	eyeoh	it's not clear to me what you've tried
2024-09-28 13:31:43	siak	eyeoh: Actually I don't remember if that system gave me an option to select Hyprland. Will check when I had access.
2024-09-28 13:32:05	eyeoh	yeah, going to need more info of what's going on
2024-09-28 13:32:13	siak	I just changed user-session in lightdm config frm xfce to Hyprland.
2024-09-28 13:32:24	eyeoh	I really wouldn't touch the config first
2024-09-28 13:32:29	eyeoh	if the easier method works
2024-09-28 13:32:34	eyeoh	lightdm is... weird
2024-09-28 13:32:41	eyeoh	not as bad as gdm, but still
2024-09-28 13:33:06	eyeoh	at this point I'd have to ask if hyprland is actually installed
2024-09-28 13:33:18	eyeoh	because if it is, it should show up in lightdm automatically
2024-09-28 13:33:20	siak	Don't know why didn't check the login page first. Maybe the option was not there. It is more a psycological thing now
2024-09-28 13:33:32	eyeoh	in fact, DEs that you remove will have this habit of not disappearing
2024-09-28 13:33:40	eyeoh	there's a way to fix that up too but I digress
2024-09-28 13:33:47	eyeoh	the option is in the corner, hidden
2024-09-28 13:33:57	eyeoh	you have to click a tiny icon after you select your username or something
2024-09-28 13:34:09	eyeoh	it's the same with gdm
2024-09-28 13:34:03	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-28 13:34:06	eyeoh	it's the icon that's not the language/keyboard one
2024-09-28 13:34:15	eyeoh	(usually the DE's logo)
2024-09-28 13:35:04	susi	I must still remind y'all that lightdm is obsolete, and does not support rootless Xorg
2024-09-28 13:35:08	siak	Aha now I know why I didn't check. SDDM asks if you want a Wayland or X11 session. So I did not think there might be an option for which DE there.
2024-09-28 13:35:12	susi	it simply should not be used
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2024-09-28 13:35:41	siak	Hmmm, maybe I can change that too
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2024-09-28 13:35:56	siak	To sddm maybe
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2024-09-28 13:37:30	susi	maybe with wayland sessions you may use it
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2024-09-28 13:42:32	siak	THanks
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2024-09-28 13:53:18	eyeoh	I didn't realise lightdm is obsolete - I have it + lxde on a Dell Inspiron 8600 from 2004
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2024-09-28 13:53:48	eyeoh	I suppose that laptop is obsolete though. 32 bit etc
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2024-09-28 13:55:14	eyeoh	but yeah definitely try sddm instead unless there's a compelling good reason not to
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2024-09-28 14:42:01	eyeoh	I was last presented with the option of lilo vs grub back in 2000 with Red Hat 6.2
2024-09-28 14:42:14	eyeoh	on a Gateway (not 2000) PC
2024-09-28 14:42:27	eyeoh	so after they renamed from Gateway 2000 to Gateway
2024-09-28 14:47:21	gateway2000	Thanks for the feedback. I can find online is maybe using --force param for grub install to get on partition instead of drive but this time looks like might be easier to try and remember how to Arch from lilo instead
2024-09-28 14:51:41	bionade24_	What is this secure signing enclave written about on the mailing list? Is this some new way packages will be signed?
2024-09-28 14:52:08	just_me	getting to grub from lilo will be painful...if even possible.
2024-09-28 14:57:28	eyeoh	bionade24_: maybe it's a bit like immutable something or other?
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2024-09-28 14:57:34	bionade24_	eyeoh: WTF are you trying to say?
2024-09-28 14:57:47	eyeoh	never mind
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2024-09-28 15:01:35	Namarrgon	bionade24_: Yes, it signs packages that are fed into.
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2024-09-28 15:03:14	BrainDamage	currently packages are hand signed by devs
2024-09-28 15:03:37	bionade24_	Namarrgon:  Is there any link showing what it is & how it works ?  I curious because I face the same problem with my user repo. I know more transparency was promised for the future, but maybe the info's already available.
2024-09-28 15:03:56	BrainDamage	well, not really hand signed, rather, human is part of the loop
2024-09-28 15:04:16	bionade24_	BrainDamage: I know the current behaviour. 
2024-09-28 15:05:03	BrainDamage	the rfc isn't public yet, to my knowledge, it will be once it's formalized a bit more
2024-09-28 15:05:04	Namarrgon	I don't think there is "actionable" design yet.
2024-09-28 15:05:22	BrainDamage	that was more of a statement of intents, rather than a progression update message
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2024-09-28 15:05:45	Namarrgon	There are only ideas floating around so far.
2024-09-28 15:06:19	bionade24_	Ok, thx for the insights
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2024-09-28 15:06:50	BrainDamage	it should show up https://rfc.archlinux.page/ once it's been discussed further
2024-09-28 15:06:51	phrik	Title: | Arch Linux RFCs (at rfc.archlinux.page)
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2024-09-28 15:37:41	obb	Total Download Size: 67,77 MiB, Total Installed Size: 488,86 MiB
2024-09-28 15:37:56	obb	why not just package as binary when you are developing with haskell
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2024-09-28 15:41:39	demonicmaniac1	obb: what do you mean? the download vs installed is simply because of maximum compression on the packaging side plus manpages and stuff
2024-09-28 15:43:04	demonicmaniac1	arch does generally not split doc/dev/etc into separate packages. that's an arch packaging guideline
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2024-09-28 15:43:04	demonicmaniac1	if you mean why not package as static that's also an arch guideline to always use dynamic linking when possible
2024-09-28 15:43:04	obb	no I was looking at a package in the aur
2024-09-28 15:43:04	obb	with absurd build dependencies
2024-09-28 15:43:05	demonicmaniac1	because the aur only hosts build instructions
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2024-09-28 15:43:48	demonicmaniac1	if a -bin exists somewhere that can also be in the aur as build instructions to fetch that bin from somewhere
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2024-09-28 15:44:08	ℹ 	printfdebugging2 es conocido ahora como printfdebugging
2024-09-28 15:44:08	demonicmaniac1	if that binary works as is in an arch system without specific versioned deps
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2024-09-28 15:49:00	ℹ 	printfdebugging2 es conocido ahora como printfdebugging
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2024-09-28 16:17:45	parakovsky	good wayland clipboard thing that will paste the screenshot to some website and url the output back to clipboard, anyone? 
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2024-09-28 16:23:08	teraflops	people usually make their own thing
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2024-09-28 16:50:49	parakovsky	teraflops: sharing is caring 
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2024-09-28 16:51:41	teraflops	;) I do myown thing but it will not be useful for you as I selfhost my own pastebin site
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2024-09-28 16:52:22	teraflops	I can share the script id you want
2024-09-28 16:52:26	teraflops	is/if
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2024-09-28 16:53:36	parakovsky	yes pls send i have a couple of servers maybe actually self hosting is a good idea
2024-09-28 16:53:44	parakovsky	and thank you even if it not gonna work i still curious
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2024-09-28 16:55:44	teraflops	https://bepasty.priet.us/mCfRUPi4/+inline
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2024-09-28 16:59:00	parakovsky	ok looks good thank you for giving me ideas and have a great day
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2024-09-28 16:59:14	parakovsky	actually self host is a very good idea!
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2024-09-28 16:59:54	teraflops	bepasty does both data and text/code
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2024-09-28 17:01:34	parakovsky	nice
2024-09-28 17:01:37	parakovsky	i'm on it thanks
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2024-09-28 17:04:32	teraflops	parakovsky: which DE/WM are you using?
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2024-09-28 17:06:56	teraflops	I do use that script on hyprland
2024-09-28 17:07:11	parakovsky	nice
2024-09-28 17:07:17	parakovsky	i have hyprland but not using it much out here
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2024-09-28 17:10:12	fisae	hey, can i boot kernel itself and not anything else on a raspberry pi using u-boot?
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2024-09-28 17:10:36	teraflops	parakovsky: I have an old version that works with just a web server, https://bepasty.priet.us/pdx3dHWd/+inline
2024-09-28 17:11:04	teraflops	phrik: give fisae alarm
2024-09-28 17:11:06	phrik	fisae: #archlinuxarm
2024-09-28 17:11:18	teraflops	different distros
2024-09-28 17:11:24	parakovsky	thanks teraflops again
2024-09-28 17:11:41	fisae	thanks teraflops
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2024-09-28 17:22:01	obb	how do you back up your dotfiles?
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2024-09-28 17:26:14	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-28 17:28:01	eyeoh	a few different ways
2024-09-28 17:28:09	eyeoh	github is one way.
2024-09-28 17:28:20	obb	keep talking :)
2024-09-28 17:28:27	eyeoh	I also use btrfs now, and also use btrfs-send
2024-09-28 17:28:46	eyeoh	as well as multiple devices which also have my ~/.git/dotfiles directory
2024-09-28 17:29:20	eyeoh	so I have at least 5 copies of my dotfiles, or even hundreds if we include my snapshots
2024-09-28 17:29:30	teraflops	I do have a remote repository for borg backup (borgbase)
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2024-09-28 17:29:32	eyeoh	what's your current process?
2024-09-28 17:29:34	obb	so you have set up a git repository in your home?/root? and a big ignore file?
2024-09-28 17:29:47	eyeoh	we're talking dotfiles right?
2024-09-28 17:29:50	wyclif	obb: I just recently found chezmoi and have been using it for this, and it's awesome
2024-09-28 17:30:10	eyeoh	I have a ~/.git just for each home on my 3 computers
2024-09-28 17:30:23	eyeoh	and the contents may differ, but all have ~/.git/dotfiles
2024-09-28 17:30:29	wyclif	I wrote it up here for anyone interested: https://stoddart.github.io/2024/09/08/managing-dotfiles-with-chezmoi.html
2024-09-28 17:30:31	phrik	Title: Managing dotfiles with chezmoi | Daniel Stoddart (at stoddart.github.io)
2024-09-28 17:30:42	eyeoh	I was about to mention the config method which hn talked about
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2024-09-28 17:30:57	eyeoh	I used to do this too: https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorials/dotfiles
2024-09-28 17:30:58	phrik	Title: How to Store Dotfiles - A Bare Git Repository | Atlassian Git Tutorial (at www.atlassian.com)
2024-09-28 17:31:05	eyeoh	no real need anymore now that I use btrfs :)
2024-09-28 17:31:42	wyclif	I wouldn't recommend using a bare Git repo now in 2024, although that's what I used to do not so long ago. 
2024-09-28 17:31:44	eyeoh	I think your method sounds similar to the one mentioned in my link?
2024-09-28 17:31:50	eyeoh	I see
2024-09-28 17:31:54	eyeoh	why not
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2024-09-28 17:32:05	wyclif	It's a lot more maintenance intensive
2024-09-28 17:32:10	wyclif	see the post above
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2024-09-28 17:32:26	wyclif	I also used Git stow for a while, but that was unsatisfactory for the reasons I talk about there
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2024-09-28 17:33:14	eyeoh	"and solves the problems inherent in solutions that revolve around using bare Git repos or symlinking"
2024-09-28 17:33:17	eyeoh	can you expand on that?
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2024-09-28 17:34:47	eyeoh	but yeah for what I do, I think btrfs snapshots and backing up send snapshots via btrfs send covers enough
2024-09-28 17:34:47	wyclif	Bare Git repos are relatively high maintance to manage across different machines, it's "high touch" compared to chezmoi
2024-09-28 17:34:47	wyclif	Though OK if you're only managing dotfiles on a single machine
2024-09-28 17:34:47	eyeoh	yeah
2024-09-28 17:34:47	eyeoh	I started with one machine but gave up one the 2nd
2024-09-28 17:34:47	eyeoh	and kind of just relied on github
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2024-09-28 17:34:47	eyeoh	and also the fact I had a second machine as 'backup' itself
2024-09-28 17:34:51	eyeoh	but now, btrfs everything :)
2024-09-28 17:35:06	eyeoh	(and I still do git commit/push and pull regularly)
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2024-09-28 17:35:23	wyclif	Check it out. Really good people maintaining the project that understand Git workflow on a deep level: https://www.chezmoi.io/
2024-09-28 17:35:24	phrik	Title: chezmoi - chezmoi (at www.chezmoi.io)
2024-09-28 17:35:25	eyeoh	obb: what filesystem do you use?
2024-09-28 17:35:28	eyeoh	or filesystems
2024-09-28 17:35:57	eyeoh	yeah I don't think it's needed for my use case, but probably obb is best served by it
2024-09-28 17:36:07	obb	ext
2024-09-28 17:36:28	wyclif	I had it up and running in under 10 minutes and after test driving it for a day there's no way I'm going back 
2024-09-28 17:36:35	eyeoh	if you're interested in backups, might I introduce you to the idea of CoW filesystems that support snapshots
2024-09-28 17:36:38	eyeoh	they're magic
2024-09-28 17:36:54	eyeoh	wyclif: yeah I really don't tweak configs / git that often
2024-09-28 17:37:02	eyeoh	not even on 3 computers now
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2024-09-28 17:37:35	obb	what about sensitive information? I don't want to share my feed with Microsoft or leak passwords
2024-09-28 17:37:50	eyeoh	I use keepassxc and bitwarden
2024-09-28 17:38:11	eyeoh	keepassxc synced via dropbox, and bitwarden via them
2024-09-28 17:38:24	obb	no I mean when managing your dotfiles with git
2024-09-28 17:38:26	eyeoh	what di you mean by "feed"
2024-09-28 17:38:33	obb	rss feed
2024-09-28 17:38:35	eyeoh	I curate what goes to git
2024-09-28 17:38:36	obb	yes they still exist
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2024-09-28 17:39:01	eyeoh	other dotfiles just get backed up via btrfs snapshots and send
2024-09-28 17:39:25	wyclif	obb: great question. Chezmoi is smart. It encrypts secrets by default and things like RSA keys
2024-09-28 17:39:31	teraflops	obb if you have sensitive information in your dotfiles such as api keys passwords or similar you are doing it wrong
2024-09-28 17:39:58	eyeoh	^
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2024-09-28 17:40:06	obb	teraflops: some programs require it
2024-09-28 17:40:20	teraflops	there are ways to not use such data directly
2024-09-28 17:40:28	teraflops	use variables or whatever
2024-09-28 17:40:41	obb	not possible with every program
2024-09-28 17:40:51	wyclif	It makes your ~/.ssh/config private and encrypted by default
2024-09-28 17:40:54	teraflops	I have to disagree
2024-09-28 17:41:12	obb	lol
2024-09-28 17:41:52	wyclif	While it's still included in your Github repo backup
2024-09-28 17:42:24	obb	what about git hooks encrypting my stuff on push/pull
2024-09-28 17:43:03	wyclif	You should at least look at it. It's a much more flexible tool for the job than something like Git stow 
2024-09-28 17:43:19	obb	will do
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2024-09-28 17:44:06	obb	ok this seems to be pretty straight forward
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2024-09-28 17:44:24	obb	I will bookmark this
2024-09-28 17:44:33	wyclif	Chezmoi also has templating features that allows users to choose to symlink select files (or all dotfiles, if desired).
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2024-09-28 17:47:40	eyeoh	welcome to the religion of CoW filesystems and snapshots: https://i.imgur.com/hcGFEjC.png - each of these will contain a ~/.git/dotfiles/ as well as ~/.config/
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2024-09-28 17:48:05	eyeoh	I recommend anything but ext4, if you're prepared to put in the reading work and work
2024-09-28 17:48:10	eyeoh	(it's not for everyone)
2024-09-28 17:48:19	eyeoh	but since you asked about backups, you might be interested in this
2024-09-28 17:48:39	teraflops	I send remote backups to borgbase as well as at home nas
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2024-09-28 17:49:14	eyeoh	also good
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2024-09-28 17:50:09	teraflops	on the headless servers I use borgtui which is nice
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2024-09-28 17:51:25	obb	too bad my system is already running on ext4
2024-09-28 17:51:52	eyeoh	as was mine a few weeks ago
2024-09-28 17:52:03	eyeoh	as were mine* (two systems)
2024-09-28 17:52:15	eyeoh	it is a mission though; I won't understate that
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2024-09-28 17:52:28	eyeoh	but just keep it in the back of your mind; especially should you set up a new system down the track
2024-09-28 17:52:41	eyeoh	it'll be easier to start clean with zfs or btrfs
2024-09-28 17:52:56	eyeoh	(I use btrfs on both root and home, but I also understand why zfs has its proponents)
2024-09-28 17:53:29	eyeoh	openSUSE has defaulted to btrfs for about a decade already, and fedora since 2020
2024-09-28 17:53:38	eyeoh	meanwhile freebsd uses zfs
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2024-09-28 17:53:57	eyeoh	on ext4, there's an lvm snapshots option; but it's apparently quite meh
2024-09-28 17:54:03	eyeoh	but probably better than nothing
2024-09-28 17:55:57	eyeoh	I see chezmoi listed at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dotfiles#Tools
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2024-09-28 17:55:59	phrik	Title: dotfiles - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-28 17:56:22	eyeoh	there are so many ways to back things up; that's probably what overwhelms most people... the options
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2024-09-28 17:56:30	eyeoh	and many end up with analysis paralysis and end up doing nothing
2024-09-28 17:56:58	eyeoh	but I think snapshots + an external drive as a minimum is essential
2024-09-28 17:57:10	eyeoh	and by snapshots, I mean automatic - so it happens without thought
2024-09-28 17:57:35	eyeoh	because in order for a backup to be effective, you need to actually do it. And a snapshot is the first step to making the process easier
2024-09-28 17:58:34	eyeoh	in general, backing up a snapshot is easier than backing up a live state. because the snapshot captures and 'freezes' a state, so it's clearer what it is you're backing up
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2024-09-28 17:58:51	eyeoh	whereas if you've used rsync on a running system, it can get confusing when files changes
2024-09-28 17:59:03	teraflops	the downside of btrf-send/receive is that the destination has to be btrfs too
2024-09-28 17:59:07	obb	Don't be a simp; Symlinks in your home folder are the ultimate way to organize your dotfiles.
2024-09-28 17:59:07	eyeoh	as well as being unsure what the destination has
2024-09-28 17:59:23	obb	I guess I have to use yas-bdsm now
2024-09-28 17:59:37	eyeoh	teraflops: btrfs (or zfs) all the things!
2024-09-28 17:59:43	eyeoh	*broomstick meme*
2024-09-28 18:00:05	eyeoh	symlinks ah yes
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2024-09-28 18:00:48	obb	how do incremental backups with snapshots work?
2024-09-28 18:01:27	eyeoh	lol
2024-09-28 18:01:31	eyeoh	"it's complicated"
2024-09-28 18:01:34	eyeoh	(yes there's a learning curve)
2024-09-28 18:01:41	Namarrgon	teraflops: technically you can keep the snapshots as files
2024-09-28 18:01:44	obb	I mean if you store it on another hdd you would initially end up with a snapshot having the size of all files in your file system at least
2024-09-28 18:01:51	Namarrgon	on a non-btrfs filesystem
2024-09-28 18:01:57	eyeoh	you start with a parent snapshot
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2024-09-28 18:02:21	eyeoh	and just like on the main system, how additional snapshots cost nothing extra, it's the same on the backup drive
2024-09-28 18:02:25	eyeoh	that's the gist of it
2024-09-28 18:02:47	obb	so you just need a btrfs backup drive?
2024-09-28 18:02:50	◣	Moprius (~Thunderbi@user/Moprius) ha salido (Quit: bye)
2024-09-28 18:02:52	eyeoh	and yeah you can access snapshots "manually" just like any other directory
2024-09-28 18:03:00	eyeoh	well do you have a backup drive right now?
2024-09-28 18:03:05	eyeoh	I reformatted mine to btrfs
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2024-09-28 18:03:06	obb	hell no
2024-09-28 18:03:21	eyeoh	or rather, I converted it in place
2024-09-28 18:03:33	obb	I rely only on god
2024-09-28 18:03:37	eyeoh	that's one benefit btrfs has over zfs - you can convert
2024-09-28 18:03:43	randomusr	looking for suggestions/resources for learning how user built themes work on KDE, as well as how to review any code. What would suggest?
2024-09-28 18:04:18	eyeoh	16:03:33 <obb> I rely only on god <-- actually how many users live with tech day by day heh
2024-09-28 18:04:31	obb	I was not joking...
2024-09-28 18:04:46	eyeoh	what's the cheapest spare storage you own?
2024-09-28 18:04:52	eyeoh	even microSD cards are better than nothing
2024-09-28 18:05:43	obb	thumb drives but they are not big enough and I am too lazy to buy a separate drive and set up backups
2024-09-28 18:05:44	eyeoh	I have a 4TB HDD and various bits and pieces (including a 250G external M.2 SSD); but mainly the HDD.
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2024-09-28 18:06:19	eyeoh	stress levels go right down once you have a 'proper' backup system in place
2024-09-28 18:06:24	eyeoh	eventually you'll need it
2024-09-28 18:06:30	eyeoh	all drives fail
2024-09-28 18:06:30	obb	eyeoh: let's say I have a server formatted with btrfs, could I store the snapshots of my laptop on the server filesystem and do incremental backups?
2024-09-28 18:06:40	eyeoh	yep
2024-09-28 18:06:59	eyeoh	the first backup will take the most time
2024-09-28 18:07:08	eyeoh	but after that, it works better than rsync
2024-09-28 18:07:13	eyeoh	rsync is dog slow with small files
2024-09-28 18:07:54	◣	Senzzy (~seb@user/Senzzy) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2024-09-28 18:08:25	eyeoh	randomusr: how about /msg alis list kde
2024-09-28 18:08:34	eyeoh	there are a bunch of kde channels on this network - they might know more?
2024-09-28 18:09:12	randomusr	fair enough. They're don't seem quite as helpful as this channel has been, but I'll give it a shot. thanks
2024-09-28 18:09:30	eyeoh	obb: off-site backups "in the cloud" are a great idea really. I don't do it myself though due to cost; so I rely more on my external drive(s)
2024-09-28 18:09:46	eyeoh	randomusr: I just don't know how popular kde is here
2024-09-28 18:09:58	eyeoh	like, kde is less popular than gnome, and gnome is not really popular
2024-09-28 18:10:05	eyeoh	it's common, but not popular/favoured
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2024-09-28 18:10:45	randomusr	well sure. I'm a big fan except for user submitted themes.... bleh
2024-09-28 18:11:11	eyeoh	I mean there's this - do you know this like the back of your hand? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE#Personalization
2024-09-28 18:11:12	phrik	Title: KDE - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-28 18:11:24	eyeoh	I tend to avoid user submitted themes for *anything*
2024-09-28 18:11:26	eyeoh	even for browsers
2024-09-28 18:11:38	eyeoh	my past experience with them is that they just feel yuck
2024-09-28 18:11:47	eyeoh	unprofessional and subject to ageing
2024-09-28 18:11:57	eyeoh	but my bias is against ricing
2024-09-28 18:12:10	eyeoh	like i3-gaps and all those things on r/unixporn - yeah no thanks
2024-09-28 18:12:17	eyeoh	actually; maybe you can ask in that sub
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2024-09-28 18:12:24	eyeoh	they enjoy that stuff
2024-09-28 18:12:50	eyeoh	https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/search?q=kde&restrict_sr=on
2024-09-28 18:12:58	randomusr	So, I like to find some setup that my eyes and brain can live with. I don't have a need to put random things on my setup. I just want my computer to be usable. In my case that involves a DE with a Theme that I can easily digest
2024-09-28 18:13:09	obb	lol I just spent hours ricing
2024-09-28 18:13:19	obb	the only thing keeping me alive
2024-09-28 18:14:39	randomusr	Problem I have with user themes on KDE is that it's a supply chain nightmare and anyone could put any code they want in them.... 
2024-09-28 18:15:04	randomusr	If you have recommendation for officially supported themes from KDE devs, that would be awesome.
2024-09-28 18:17:00	◣	derSpasm (~derSpasm@user/ectospasm) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2024-09-28 18:17:03	wyclif	obb: I got so burned out on ricing Neovim; I was glad to stop doing it 
2024-09-28 18:17:48	eyeoh	I can't rice because I spend enough time putting out fires and trying to keep the tinder down
2024-09-28 18:18:19	eyeoh	so instead I use i3wm and btrfs in a fairly basic fashion
2024-09-28 18:18:29	eyeoh	that fulfils me sufficiently
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2024-09-28 18:19:59	eyeoh	obb: re: filesystems - I want to be impartial and suggest you read about both zfs and btrfs to see what might suit you better down the track (you *must* have a backup first though; so don't even think about trying any of it outside a VM if you don't have one)
2024-09-28 18:20:25	eyeoh	obb: to me, it seems like many use cases for zfs rely around servers and not desktops; but I'm sure it runs well on desktops too. in the end, I went with btrfs for reasons
2024-09-28 18:20:44	eyeoh	one of those reasons being to follow Fedora's 2020 lead
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2024-09-28 18:20:51	eyeoh	and also openSUSE
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2024-09-28 18:21:20	eyeoh	I started reading too much syntax and felt more comfortable with it too than zfs
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2024-09-28 18:21:56	eyeoh	meanwhile there's also bcachefs to keep an eye out for in the future
2024-09-28 18:22:23	eyeoh	if you're interested in arch, and asked about backups; you're probably not disinterested in finding out more about filesystems that are better than ext4
2024-09-28 18:22:50	eyeoh	I suppose xfs deserves a mention too
2024-09-28 18:22:56	obb	I am ricing as we speak
2024-09-28 18:23:07	eyeoh	and. cephfs too
2024-09-28 18:23:33	Tharre	bcachefs for the very brave
2024-09-28 18:23:39	eyeoh	the scariest thing about ext4 is bitrot that you won't know about until way too late
2024-09-28 18:23:47	eyeoh	Tharre: but it's in the kernel now! :D
2024-09-28 18:23:49	eyeoh	haha
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2024-09-28 18:24:47	eyeoh	in my migration process, I discovered suspected bitrot in *one* old screen recording I did in 2021. I don't think it was a bad sector because there are no other issues with the drive. And the backup was fine to
2024-09-28 18:24:56	eyeoh	was fine too*. So, very suspicious
2024-09-28 18:25:53	eyeoh	apparently for ext4 the only way to mitigate against that (that is, check for bitrot before you overwrite your backups) is to md5sum *everything*
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2024-09-28 18:26:42	eyeoh	NetSysFire: what kind of media playback? browser? mpv?
2024-09-28 18:27:02	eyeoh	video, audio?
2024-09-28 18:27:53	eyeoh	does glxgears work
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2024-09-28 18:28:36	andril	hello all
2024-09-28 18:29:17	eyeoh	linux 6.11 is in core-testing and apparently has amd improvements
2024-09-28 18:30:44	eyeoh	maybe just try that one first?
2024-09-28 18:30:44	eyeoh	no idea if it's relevant to your case https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-6.11-Benchmarks-Early
2024-09-28 18:30:44	eyeoh	and https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-6.11-Feature-Recap
2024-09-28 18:30:49	Erus_Iluvatar	NetSysFire: anecdotal, but our baned french regular has had less issues on 6.11
2024-09-28 18:30:54	dviola	eyeoh: I think btrfs in general is fine but performance leaves a lot to be desired sometimes
2024-09-28 18:31:13	eyeoh	dviola: yeah probably; but so far it doesn't seem to affect me
2024-09-28 18:31:37	dviola	I've been thinking to move away from it, maybe back to ext4
2024-09-28 18:31:46	eyeoh	what's your setup?
2024-09-28 18:31:56	eyeoh	and what about zfs?
2024-09-28 18:32:04	eyeoh	or xfs
2024-09-28 18:32:36	dviola	ext4 always worked for me, and it's fast enough for my needs, zfs is out of tree so that's something I'd rather not get into
2024-09-28 18:32:58	eyeoh	yeah those are fair points. and XFS?
2024-09-28 18:33:04	dviola	my setup is old ryzen zen1 CPU with 16GB RAM
2024-09-28 18:33:21	eyeoh	my desktop is an i3 Haswell 4th gen from 2014 or something
2024-09-28 18:33:28	eyeoh	16G DDR3
2024-09-28 18:33:41	obb	eyeoh: based
2024-09-28 18:33:46	eyeoh	it's fast with i3
2024-09-28 18:33:53	dviola	I'm sure XFS could also work for me
2024-09-28 18:33:55	eyeoh	I can keyboard warrior on it faster than most people
2024-09-28 18:34:12	Erus_Iluvatar	NetSysFire: that promises fun times to narrow out different issues then :/
2024-09-28 18:34:26	eyeoh	I reckon I can't ever go back to ext4 again knowing what I know now. But if btrfs were to go bad, I'd at least consider XFS since that also has CoW and snapshots
2024-09-28 18:34:27	dviola	I mean, it's not that btrfs doesn't work for me, I've just been sort of spoiled with ext4 performance :P
2024-09-28 18:34:36	eyeoh	XFS is the fastest
2024-09-28 18:34:54	dviola	it's easy to get spoiled with btrfs features too
2024-09-28 18:34:54	eyeoh	(in general)
2024-09-28 18:35:29	eyeoh	https://www.phoronix.com/review/linux-611-filesystems/3
2024-09-28 18:35:41	eyeoh	look at XFS scream, even with CoW
2024-09-28 18:36:56	dviola	nice
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2024-09-28 18:37:46	obb	but it does ot have snapshots eyeoh 
2024-09-28 18:37:47	eyeoh	RHEL defaults to it, I think
2024-09-28 18:37:54	eyeoh	obb: pretty sure it does
2024-09-28 18:38:03	eyeoh	wait
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2024-09-28 18:38:14	eyeoh	not directly; but there's a way
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2024-09-28 18:39:49	eyeoh	looks like https://thelinuxcode.com/xfs-snapshot/
2024-09-28 18:39:50	phrik	Title: Demystifying XFS Snapshots: A Complete Guide for Linux Users – TheLinuxCode (at thelinuxcode.com)
2024-09-28 18:41:01	eyeoh	I think this section might be outdated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS#Snapshots
2024-09-28 18:41:02	phrik	Title: XFS - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2024-09-28 18:41:18	eyeoh	https://www.reddit.com/search?q=xfs%20snapshots
2024-09-28 18:41:21	dviola	losing subvolumes kind of sucks when moving away from btrfs, checksumming too
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2024-09-28 18:43:57	eyeoh	I just created a couple of new subvolumes today, one for linux ISOs and another for videos I don't need to back up
2024-09-28 18:44:02	ghostbusters2	eyeoh: guessing you're in an opposite time zone since you're still up, but thanks for replying
2024-09-28 18:44:07	damarusama	trying to compile a tui tool and I get a /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lncursesw  
2024-09-28 18:44:07	eyeoh	as a quick and dirty way for snapshots to not include those subvolumes
2024-09-28 18:44:23	damarusama	I read that you need ncurses-dev but in arch you don't need the extra package,
2024-09-28 18:44:37	eyeoh	ghostbusters2: I'm in, a time zone; yes heh
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2024-09-28 18:45:26	ghostbusters2	i think you're right btw, basic economics says that even if thieves can sell your bricked ipad for a few hits of drugs, eventually word will spread from the fences back to the street which devices are preferable
2024-09-28 18:45:40	eyeoh	ghostbusters2: yep exactly my point
2024-09-28 18:45:51	teraflops	damarusama: core/ncurses isn't enough?
2024-09-28 18:45:55	eyeoh	and besides, I think it's not that difficult to try to improve security
2024-09-28 18:46:01	eyeoh	I didn't reach this stage overnight
2024-09-28 18:46:16	damarusama	teraflops, it doesn't seems like, I have ncurses installed
2024-09-28 18:46:26	eyeoh	just a gradual process of improving things and minimising the attack surface is good
2024-09-28 18:46:36	ghostbusters2	i think luks is designed to address "random backpack theft" and tpm/secure boot each address much more sophisticated, however still valid, threat models
2024-09-28 18:46:49	eyeoh	yeah I stop short of using secure boot
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2024-09-28 18:47:01	eyeoh	but maybe one day; who knows
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2024-09-28 18:47:24	ghostbusters2	i managed to set it up in a basic config pretty painlessly but i think i cheated by using the microsoft keys
2024-09-28 18:47:49	teraflops	damarusama: is it a lib32 package?
2024-09-28 18:47:51	ghostbusters2	i need to get a handle on how it actually works though
2024-09-28 18:48:09	eyeoh	yeah I'm still scared of it, especially after the July windows update stories of secure boot stopping linux dual boots
2024-09-28 18:48:17	eyeoh	along with the history of secure boot fails
2024-09-28 18:48:21	damarusama	not that I am aware of
2024-09-28 18:48:28	damarusama	teraflops^
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2024-09-28 18:49:24	eyeoh	ghostbusters2: regarding LUKS (or bitlocker) itself: in the old days, troubleshooting a windows machine would involve booting a linux CD/DVD/USB and just fetching the files from C:\ just like that.
2024-09-28 18:49:29	eyeoh	no security
2024-09-28 18:49:30	teraflops	damarusama: which software is this?
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2024-09-28 18:49:41	damarusama	lagrange, 
2024-09-28 18:49:53	damarusama	https://github.com/skyjake/lagrange
2024-09-28 18:49:55	phrik	Title: GitHub - skyjake/lagrange: A Beautiful Gemini Client (at github.com)
2024-09-28 18:50:04	teraflops	damarusama: it is in the AUR
2024-09-28 18:50:14	eyeoh	ghostbusters2: the other concern that one might have with unencrypted drives is - now I don't know how realistic or plausible or likely the scenario is - but um, being framed.
2024-09-28 18:50:21	damarusama	but without the TUI, hence my trying to compile with the tui
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2024-09-28 18:51:05	ghostbusters2	eyeoh: i think it's important for security researchers to worry about threats that are implausible or impractical today because they might not be in 5 years
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2024-09-28 18:52:03	eyeoh	yeah for sure
2024-09-28 18:52:12	teraflops	damarusama: it says that you need a library called SEALCurses 
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2024-09-28 18:52:34	damarusama	I though the sealcurse was included in the source... 
2024-09-28 18:52:48	damarusama	ok I'll try to compile the sealcurse
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2024-09-28 18:57:01	ghostbusters2	i don't even understand where the uefi keys live if they're not in a tpm
2024-09-28 18:57:03	damarusama	yeah the SEALCurses compiles at the same time
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2024-09-28 18:59:00	damarusama	etting the ENABLE_TUI option to YES will replace the SDL dependency with a library called SEALCurses 
2024-09-28 18:59:33	damarusama	so yeah it does that automatically... the requirements should be only ncurses... I'm sent a request to the author
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2024-09-28 19:17:44	Tharre	ghostbusters2: in NVRAM, same as everything else in uefi like default boot target and such
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2024-09-28 19:21:39	connyosis	Hi all. I installed cosmic to just try it out, but gdm won't show me an option to select it. Is there some extra step I have to do to have cosmic-session show up in GDM?
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2024-09-28 19:22:15	teraflops	connyosis: nvidia?
2024-09-28 19:22:20	connyosis	yup
2024-09-28 19:23:06	teraflops	wiki is down?
2024-09-28 19:23:33	teraflops	nope
2024-09-28 19:23:52	teraflops	connyosis: exec sudo ln -s /dev/null /etc/udev/rules.d/61-gdm.rules
2024-09-28 19:23:57	teraflops	and restart gdm
2024-09-28 19:24:17	ghostbusters2	Tharre: ty
2024-09-28 19:25:09	ghostbusters2	do you happen to know if booting with secure boot is required for key enrolment to work correctly or is it enough to boot in setup mode? my lenovo bios allows booting in setup mode but with secure boot disabled
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2024-09-28 19:27:11	connyosis	teraflops: thanks. Cosmic wiki page is pretty barebones so it doesn't really go into troubleshooting
2024-09-28 19:27:30	teraflops	it's about gdm and nvidia 
2024-09-28 19:27:53	Edu4rdSHL	Have you tried cosmic, teraflops?
2024-09-28 19:27:59	teraflops	yep
2024-09-28 19:28:00	Tharre	ghostbusters2: that should be fine
2024-09-28 19:28:24	Edu4rdSHL	Any oppinions? Tharre 
2024-09-28 19:28:27	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: I do not like how it looks
2024-09-28 19:28:27	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, ^
2024-09-28 19:28:33	eyeoh	oh you're really diving into SB eh; scary.
2024-09-28 19:28:40	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, eeh
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2024-09-28 19:28:48	teraflops	I mean it's pretty usable but visually I do not like it
2024-09-28 19:29:15	teraflops	sorry I prefer gnome :P
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2024-09-28 19:30:56	jelle	gnome is the official sanctioned arch DE
2024-09-28 19:32:04	Metroid	no
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2024-09-28 19:32:53	gehidore	WUUUUT
2024-09-28 19:33:17	eyeoh	lol
2024-09-28 19:33:20	eyeoh	nice troll
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2024-09-28 19:33:41	jelle	was gonna argue arch has more gnome devs then kde but that ain't true :
2024-09-28 19:33:43	jelle	:(
2024-09-28 19:33:46	eyeoh	rip
2024-09-28 19:33:50	teraflops	hehe
2024-09-28 19:34:11	dviola	that's because arch is just another fedora /troll
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2024-09-28 19:35:07	dviola	what? nobody is arguing with me?
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2024-09-28 19:36:04	Metroid	dnf is in the extra repo, confirmed !
2024-09-28 19:36:27	gehidore	does arch have more redhat devs than not?
2024-09-28 19:36:56	jelle	:p
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2024-09-28 19:37:52	⚡ 	eyeoh cries in debian stable
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2024-09-28 19:38:54	BrainDamage	you mean redhat has arch devs
2024-09-28 19:40:28	ghostbusters2	Tharre: i did a fresh install and tried to enroll keys but got an error saying something along the lines of no option roms found
2024-09-28 19:40:28	ghostbusters2	the options were to pass --microsoft or --this-may-brick-your-machine
2024-09-28 19:40:28	ghostbusters2	so i opted for microsoft, rebooted with sb enabled, and it worked
2024-09-28 19:40:28	ghostbusters2	but i'm not sure why it works
2024-09-28 19:40:28	ghostbusters2	did i sign my kernel with microsoft keys?
2024-09-28 19:41:53	gehidore	BrainDamage touche
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2024-09-28 19:42:09	Tharre	ghostbusters2: you can't sign your kernel with microsoft keys, only microsoft has access to them :D
2024-09-28 19:42:27	eyeoh	ghostbusters2: lol you're living on the edge here but I'm glad you went with the no-brick opeion
2024-09-28 19:42:40	eyeoh	option*
2024-09-28 19:43:00	Tharre	Adding the --microsoft option just means that anything signed by those keys is also accepted
2024-09-28 19:43:21	ghostbusters2	i have some experience with crypto, firmware, etc.
2024-09-28 19:43:29	ghostbusters2	just not in this context
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2024-09-28 19:44:16	ghostbusters2	when i put the bios in setup mode it said "this will erase platform keys"
2024-09-28 19:44:33	ghostbusters2	but i assumed i could just do the "restore factory keys" option
2024-09-28 19:45:15	ghostbusters2	then i read that some vendors sign their gpu option roms with the factory keys, or some such harebrained thing, lol
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2024-09-28 19:47:36	ℹ 	heat_ es conocido ahora como heat
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2024-09-28 19:48:40	Tharre	ghostbusters2: factory keys usually live on some eeprom chip, so usually you can restore them
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2024-09-28 19:49:11	Tharre	But yeah, apparently some vendors have done really really dumb thing
2024-09-28 19:49:18	Tharre	*+s
2024-09-28 19:50:36	ghostbusters2	okay so sbctl create-keys generates 3 keys (are these actually pub/priv key pairs?
2024-09-28 19:50:54	ghostbusters2	platform key, key exchange key, and signature database key
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2024-09-28 19:51:36	ghostbusters2	sbctl enroll-keys does what, exactly? gives the public key to the uefi and says "anything signed by this can be trusted"
2024-09-28 19:52:12	ghostbusters2	oh it was the tpm eventlog that was not found
2024-09-28 19:52:24	ghostbusters2	and i have a feeling it might be because i'm not mounting esp at /efi
2024-09-28 19:52:48	Tharre	ghostbusters2: yes, exactly they are asymmetric signing keys
2024-09-28 19:53:20	ghostbusters2	i assume platform keys are the ones we usually talk about but what of the other two pairs?
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2024-09-28 19:57:42	Tharre	IIRC the platform key signs the key exchange key(s) which sign the database keys
2024-09-28 19:58:52	Tharre	It's a bit convoluted, but also means it's quite flexible in what keys you trust and what not
2024-09-28 19:59:56	ghostbusters2	reading up on that stuff now
2024-09-28 20:00:14	ghostbusters2	still don't quite grasp what --microsoft is doing
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2024-09-28 20:05:59	Tharre	Just adds the microsoft key exchange and db keys, in addition to your custom keys
2024-09-28 20:08:27	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-28 20:10:57	astralc	it not adding key pairs, only the public part of the key
2024-09-28 20:11:27	astralc	(and I think also sign it with one of the generated keys)
2024-09-28 20:11:55	Tharre	Yeah the platform key signs the KEK
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2024-09-28 20:13:59	ghostbusters2	the private key needs to sit on disk so it can sign blobs i assume
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2024-09-28 20:14:27	ghostbusters2	anyone know what the 'missing tpm eventlog' error is about?
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2024-09-28 20:16:35	greyltc_	Valve + Arch = <3
2024-09-28 20:16:52	greyltc_	this is really, really cool news to hear!
2024-09-28 20:16:53	ghostbusters2	now that question about 'secure signing enclave' makes more sense
2024-09-28 20:17:00	ghostbusters2	although i still don't know exactly what it is
2024-09-28 20:17:25	ghostbusters2	i guess they want some sort of HSM to store master signing keys for arch keyring
2024-09-28 20:18:55	greyltc_	https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/arch-dev-public@lists.archlinux.org/thread/RIZSKIBDSLY4S5J2E2STNP5DH4XZGJMR/
2024-09-28 20:18:57	phrik	Title: Arch Linux and Valve Collaboration - Arch-dev-public - lists.archlinux.org (at lists.archlinux.org)
2024-09-28 20:19:06	◣	derSpasm (~derSpasm@user/ectospasm) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2024-09-28 20:20:13	ghostbusters2	yeah it doesn't really clarify what a secure signing enclave is
2024-09-28 20:20:15	◣	bla9kdog (~x@user/bla9kdog) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2024-09-28 20:20:32	Tharre	Neat
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2024-09-28 20:21:01	Tharre	A secure signing enclave is just something that you can give things to sign without being able to get the crypto keys out
2024-09-28 20:22:37	ghostbusters2	without being able to get them out trivially you mean :-P
2024-09-28 20:22:37	Tharre	Usually a HSM or something similar
2024-09-28 20:22:37	Tharre	Yeah, well
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2024-09-28 20:22:37	ℹ 	Roy_Mustang es conocido ahora como A_Dragon
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2024-09-28 20:23:42	ghostbusters2	yubico hsm is $650 USD
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2024-09-28 20:25:49	ghostbusters2	trying to find the youtube talk where the guy got ahold of some fancier ones with physical hardening / tamper evident stuff
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2024-09-28 20:28:30	Tharre	Yeah, and the yubico one is supposed to be one of the cheaper ones :D
2024-09-28 20:28:38	Tharre	Stuff's expensive
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2024-09-28 20:29:34	Tharre	Regard the tpm eventlog, it's supposed to be visible via /sys/kernel/security/tpm0/binary_bios_measurements
2024-09-28 20:30:15	Tharre	But no idea why that would be missing
2024-09-28 20:30:28	ghostbusters2	why was sbctl even looking for it if i didn't pass -t to enroll-keys
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2024-09-28 20:31:26	ghostbusters2	hmm that file exists now.. maybe it's because i booted with secure boot disabled when i turned on setup mode ...?
2024-09-28 20:31:43	ghostbusters2	i cat'd it to my terminal and they werent' kidding about the 'binary' 
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2024-09-28 20:34:50	Tharre	Good question
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2024-09-28 20:39:14	ghostbusters2	okay let's roll the dice again, gonna try to re-enroll
2024-09-28 20:41:58	ghostbusters2	there are a lot of security options in a modern firmware
2024-09-28 20:42:08	ghostbusters2	what the heck is Absolute Persistence (R) Module
2024-09-28 20:42:34	ghostbusters2	ThinkShield Passwordless Power-On Authentication
2024-09-28 20:42:53	ghostbusters2	Certificate-based BIOS Authentication
2024-09-28 20:43:09	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-28 20:45:37	ghostbusters2	okay i was wrong - here's the error
2024-09-28 20:45:52	ghostbusters2	Found OptionROM in the bootchain.
2024-09-28 20:46:49	◣	youthlic (~Thunderbi@user/youthlic) ha salido (Quit: youthlic)
2024-09-28 20:46:52	ghostbusters2	links me to this https://github.com/Foxboron/sbctl/wiki/FAQ#option-rom
2024-09-28 20:46:53	phrik	Title: FAQ · Foxboron/sbctl Wiki · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-09-28 20:47:41	ghostbusters2	neat
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2024-09-28 20:50:20	eyeoh	18:16:35 <greyltc_> Valve + Arch = <3
2024-09-28 20:50:21	eyeoh	year of linux on desktop soon!
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2024-09-28 20:53:28	gehidore	Haha
2024-09-28 20:54:27	eyeoh	nah it's nice to hear that gaming on linux isn't dying, even though I only play chess
2024-09-28 20:54:39	eyeoh	the phoronix numbers of <2% were concerning for a while
2024-09-28 20:54:43	eyeoh	I thought valve would give up
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2024-09-28 20:55:07	eyeoh	but with win10 reaching EOL soon, this could be an opportunity
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2024-09-28 21:00:27	siak	Do you think it is a good idea to replace lightdm with sddm or leave it as is?
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2024-09-28 21:02:35	ana_ana	siak: are you using gnome or kde?
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2024-09-28 21:04:41	siak	Currently on xfce but am switching to Hyprland
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2024-09-28 21:09:44	bonob	Why did Valve choose Arch as their basis for SteamOS?
2024-09-28 21:10:45	Tharre	Up-to-date packages, sane package management, there are many good reasons
2024-09-28 21:10:52	Tharre	But only valve knows for sure I guess
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2024-09-28 21:12:57	astralc	no ibm or canonical
2024-09-28 21:13:00	bonob	wer supporting 
2024-09-28 21:13:02	bonob	work on a freelance basis for these topics
2024-09-28 21:13:13	bonob	sorry, bad paste
2024-09-28 21:14:19	bonob	"By supporting work on a freelance basis for these topics", that means they're going to pay some Arch developers, right?
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2024-09-28 21:16:40	dcb	maybe they checked the first few based on alphabetical order
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2024-09-28 21:18:48	Antiz	bonob: "that means they're going to pay some Arch developers, right?" <-- Basically, yeah
2024-09-28 21:18:48	◣	kris7t (~kris7t@marussy.com) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2024-09-28 21:18:48	Antiz	Some Arch dev will be payed by Valve via freelance contract to work on the two topics concerned by this "sponsoring" (build infra / signing enclave)
2024-09-28 21:19:11	Ximo	this happens all over all of the time
2024-09-28 21:19:30	Ximo	as usual, people are foaming at the mouth over something they obviously don't understand
2024-09-28 21:19:54	Antiz	Ximo: Who'se foaming though?
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2024-09-28 21:24:38	bonob	from Erus_Iluvatar on #archlinux-fr: https://www.pcgamer.com/this-is-why-valve-is-switching-from-debian-to-arch-for-steam-decks-linux-os/
2024-09-28 21:24:39	phrik	Title: This is why Valve is switching from Debian to Arch for Steam Deck's Linux OS | PC Gamer (at www.pcgamer.com)
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2024-09-28 21:26:02	Erus_Iluvatar	Antiz: there's been people fearing a corporate turn on a certain website I don't want to link here
2024-09-28 21:26:10	◥	npc (~TbtSVDWng@user/spareproject) has joined #archlinux
2024-09-28 21:26:30	Antiz	Erus_Iluvatar: Ah well... Predictable (sadly)
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2024-09-28 21:26:54	Erus_Iluvatar	said people seem to have missed the last paragraphs of our announcement 🤷
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2024-09-28 21:27:29	Antiz	Most likely
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2024-09-28 21:28:18	bonob	well, I'm sure we can trust Arch core team to not let that happen. I've been wishing that Microsoft would play fair when negotiating official Arch support for WSL..
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2024-09-28 21:29:09	astralc	Erus_Iluvatar: the P website?
2024-09-28 21:29:15	◥	|3ean (~3ean@user/3ean/x-1246637) has joined #archlinux
2024-09-28 21:29:31	Erus_Iluvatar	astralc: 4 website
2024-09-28 21:29:34	Antiz	Really, we're just gonna stick to the plan we initially had (the build infra and the signing enclave was already in the pipe way before that Valve collaboration was discussed). We'll just be able to start the effort sooner thanks to this. That's just it, nothing more.
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2024-09-28 21:32:25	bonob	I'm personnally convinced that corporate funding is a boon to larger open-source projects, but it is the first such sponsorship for Arch, if I'm not mistaken?
2024-09-28 21:33:19	Tharre	Build infra for arch will be great \o/
2024-09-28 21:33:27	Antiz	bonob: Of that type, yes
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2024-09-28 21:33:42	Antiz	But it's not the first sponsorship per say
2024-09-28 21:34:01	Antiz	https://archlinux.org/donate/
2024-09-28 21:34:03	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Donate (at archlinux.org)
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2024-09-28 21:34:21	Antiz	See the "Commercial sponsors and contributions" chapter 👆
2024-09-28 21:34:54	Erus_Iluvatar	also, the timing is funny given that Valve has shown interest about ARM stuff
2024-09-28 21:34:58	◥	rexbinary (~rexbinary@fsf/member/rexbinary) has joined #archlinux
2024-09-28 21:35:32	Erus_Iluvatar	since having non x86_64 support is widely easier once we have a good build infra :)
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2024-09-28 21:37:14	bonob	Does that mean that Arch Linux ARM could eventually "merge" with Arch Linux?
2024-09-28 21:37:25	◣	mohammad5305 (~mohammad@104.28.154.99) ha salido (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2024-09-28 21:38:54	another|	If someone were to do the work
2024-09-28 21:39:08	Antiz	bonob: If an ARM effort is launched it would start from scratch.
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2024-09-28 21:39:21	teraflops	for every single arm SBC? I do not think so
2024-09-28 21:39:39	astralc	with the new snapdragon laptops, I'm not surprised they have interest in arm (maybe other qualcomm stuff)
2024-09-28 21:40:07	Antiz	I mean, we'll most likely won't merge Arch Linux ARM (Alarm). The way it is build doesn't fit our workflow.
2024-09-28 21:40:12	Antiz	And tooling.
2024-09-28 21:40:42	Antiz	So if an ARM effort starts, it would start from the ground up
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2024-09-28 21:41:31	Antiz	Merging Alarm would basically mean re-working it entirely ^^
2024-09-28 21:41:39	bonob	Just being curious here, what's not fitting with the existing Alarm project in terms of workflow and tooling?
2024-09-28 21:43:38	Antiz	The packaging workflow for instance
2024-09-28 21:44:02	ℹ 	SubWorx es conocido ahora como Sub|gone
2024-09-28 21:44:03	Antiz	Alarm doesn't use pkgctl for instance
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2024-09-28 21:56:43	dzhi	Whats alarm?
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2024-09-28 21:57:53	bonob	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_Linux_ARM
2024-09-28 21:57:54	phrik	Title: Arch Linux ARM - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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2024-09-28 22:52:31	eyeoh	oooh til there's a fork of barrier: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Input_Leap
2024-09-28 22:52:32	phrik	Title: Input Leap - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-28 23:41:49	arador	Hello 
2024-09-28 23:43:59	gehidore	phrik give arador welcomerpg
2024-09-28 23:44:00	phrik	arador: Greetings, observer of the unseen realm. May thy stay in #archlinux be pleasant. How did thy system get borked today?
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2024-09-28 23:46:49	ℹ 	newt2 es conocido ahora como wyrmling
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2024-09-28 23:49:02	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-28 23:50:11	gehidore	good talk
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2024-09-28 23:51:17	dumpster	the other major distros have ARM builds available so why can't Arch Linux do the same?
2024-09-28 23:51:59	Namarrgon	The tooling isn't there.
2024-09-28 23:52:18	Namarrgon	And doing it manually is a lot of work.
2024-09-28 23:53:03	dumpster	well if Qualcomm buys Intel and starts making desktop ARM chips maybe it'll be inevitable
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2024-09-28 23:54:08	Namarrgon	Even if that were to happen it wouldn't mean that x86_64 would go away.
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2024-09-29 00:14:52	ℹ 	wereii_ es conocido ahora como wereii
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2024-09-29 00:18:15	wereii	has anyone here tried compiling firefox with custom feature flags? trying out --enable-jxl but it does not seem to work (extending ABS pkgbuild) 
2024-09-29 00:19:21	gromit	wereii: where does it fail exactly? 
2024-09-29 00:19:30	wereii	*does not seem to stick, the resulting about:buildconfig is missing anything extra
2024-09-29 00:19:46	wereii	oh
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2024-09-29 00:22:03	gromit	wereii: ? 
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2024-09-29 00:22:34	wereii	disregard the oh, I did verify through sha sum that the installed firefox is the built one, thought for a second that I might have not actually installed the built package 
2024-09-29 00:22:36	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-29 00:22:52	wereii	I am trying clean build again to see if it wasn't some kind of caching issue
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2024-09-29 00:23:14	wereii	(no sccache though)
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2024-09-29 00:41:22	wereii	oh, dammit specifically the --enable-jxl is also blocked behind building for nightly
2024-09-29 00:44:08	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-29 00:57:44	Root-Atlas	ok... so if I have gpu passthrough... if I have a VM on I wont be able to play steam games since gpu acceleration is being used for the VM?
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2024-09-29 00:58:19	Namarrgon	If you pass the gpu into the vm then the host won't have a gpu to use.
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2024-09-29 00:58:49	Root-Atlas	awesome so GPU passthrough is proplery installed
2024-09-29 00:59:09	Root-Atlas	what about the "Virtio" model? how do I get that working?
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2024-09-29 01:00:36	Root-Atlas	I'm using QXL atm
2024-09-29 01:01:00	Namarrgon	virtio provides only a fake gpu, which is either a software rendere or using opengl via virgl
2024-09-29 01:02:25	Root-Atlas	not needed?
2024-09-29 01:02:25	Root-Atlas	what would you recommend for Video Model?
2024-09-29 01:02:25	Namarrgon	for what?
2024-09-29 01:02:25	ℹ 	Sub|gone es conocido ahora como SubWorx
2024-09-29 01:02:25	Root-Atlas	for 3D acceleration
2024-09-29 01:02:25	Namarrgon	No virtio backend is fast enough to play games.
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2024-09-29 01:02:58	Namarrgon	virgl might be good enough for simpler stuff but don't expect native performance or compatibility.
2024-09-29 01:03:09	Root-Atlas	it's just for VRChat
2024-09-29 01:03:11	Root-Atlas	nothing too heavy
2024-09-29 01:03:27	Root-Atlas	I can play Zenless Zone Zero and heavy duty games just fine on linux
2024-09-29 01:03:47	Namarrgon	vrchat doesn't work in wine?
2024-09-29 01:03:59	bonob	What's your question, Root-Atlas ?
2024-09-29 01:04:19	Root-Atlas	it does.. but it's a pain to get it working with oculus
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2024-09-29 01:05:21	Root-Atlas	my wife wants to use an SD Card reader for a cannon camera but arch doesn't read SD cards
2024-09-29 01:05:46	teraflops	huh?
2024-09-29 01:06:10	Root-Atlas	main reason why I'm installing win10 on VM
2024-09-29 01:06:15	Root-Atlas	for SD card reading
2024-09-29 01:06:17	eyeoh	arch does read sd cards
2024-09-29 01:06:23	Root-Atlas	it does?
2024-09-29 01:06:29	teraflops	it does here Root-Atlas 
2024-09-29 01:06:32	eyeoh	what have you tried so far?
2024-09-29 01:06:43	eyeoh	there's probably a way to do it that you're not aware of
2024-09-29 01:07:04	Root-Atlas	ohhhh
2024-09-29 01:07:18	eyeoh	arch and most/all linux distros can just about read any filesystem
2024-09-29 01:07:24	Root-Atlas	but SD Card isn't reading
2024-09-29 01:07:32	eyeoh	can you explain the steps you've tried?
2024-09-29 01:07:33	teraflops	...there
2024-09-29 01:07:54	Namarrgon	threaten it with violence, that usually works
2024-09-29 01:08:04	Root-Atlas	I'm using a card reader called "Hytac" and inserted an SD card from a Canon Camera
2024-09-29 01:08:10	bonob	on a laptop with integrated SD card reader, or desktop with a USB SD card reader?
2024-09-29 01:08:23	teraflops	the latter it seems
2024-09-29 01:08:24	eyeoh	and this card reader works in windows/macos?
2024-09-29 01:08:31	Root-Atlas	yes
2024-09-29 01:08:45	eyeoh	ok good, then it should also work in arch - but ok, what else do you do after this?
2024-09-29 01:09:07	eyeoh	you plug it all in and:
2024-09-29 01:09:09	Root-Atlas	checked lsblk if mountable
2024-09-29 01:09:17	Root-Atlas	not even showing in that
2024-09-29 01:09:34	teraflops	Root-Atlas: did you install a nre kernel and forgot to reboot?
2024-09-29 01:09:34	eyeoh	what about in dmesg? any change with dmesg?
2024-09-29 01:09:42	teraflops	new^
2024-09-29 01:09:50	Root-Atlas	I need to reboot to get this to read?
2024-09-29 01:09:55	bonob	systemd journal and dmesg report something on plugging in the SD card reader?
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2024-09-29 01:10:26	teraflops	phrik: give Root-Atlas kernelcheck
2024-09-29 01:10:27	phrik	Root-Atlas: compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2024-09-29 01:10:27	eyeoh	well turning it off and on again is always a useful step to eliminate/narrow down the issue
2024-09-29 01:10:30	Root-Atlas	I have linux-zen
2024-09-29 01:11:26	Root-Atlas	npthong shows on 'pacman -Q linux'
2024-09-29 01:11:40	Root-Atlas	6.10.10-zen1-1-zen on uname -r
2024-09-29 01:11:45	teraflops	becuase is linuz-zen
2024-09-29 01:11:53	Root-Atlas	wutt
2024-09-29 01:12:04	Root-Atlas	zen doesn't read sd cards?
2024-09-29 01:12:05	bonob	teraflops: why you think Root-Atlas is using a USB card reader rather than a laptop integrated one?
2024-09-29 01:12:16	teraflops	pacman -Q limux-zen
2024-09-29 01:12:29	Root-Atlas	oh
2024-09-29 01:12:31	Root-Atlas	XD
2024-09-29 01:12:32	Root-Atlas	thanks
2024-09-29 01:12:39	Root-Atlas	linux-zen 6.10.10.zen1-1
2024-09-29 01:13:08	teraflops	ok you are ok in that regard
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2024-09-29 01:13:32	Root-Atlas	think it might be the adpter?
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2024-09-29 01:13:57	teraflops	look at dmesg while plugging it
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2024-09-29 01:14:22	bonob	and journalctl
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2024-09-29 01:15:17	ℹ 	furrykef es conocido ahora como furrykefus
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2024-09-29 01:17:35	teraflops	Root-Atlas: e.g run in a terminal dufo dmesg -W then plug the card reader
2024-09-29 01:17:40	teraflops	sudo^
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2024-09-29 01:21:49	Root-Atlas	https://0x0.st/XgTB.txt
2024-09-29 01:21:52	Root-Atlas	yeah it's the usb
2024-09-29 01:21:54	Root-Atlas	bad cable
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2024-09-29 01:22:22	teraflops	probably
2024-09-29 01:22:27	Namarrgon	Is that a laptop?
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2024-09-29 01:23:55	Root-Atlas	yes
2024-09-29 01:24:08	Namarrgon	Is the battery removable?
2024-09-29 01:24:38	Root-Atlas	yes
2024-09-29 01:24:52	Root-Atlas	battery at 95%
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2024-09-29 01:25:13	Root-Atlas	I'm using port adapter for my keyboard and mouse
2024-09-29 01:25:28	Namarrgon	shut it down, remove the battery, keep the power button pressed for a few seconds and then put the battery back in.
2024-09-29 01:25:32	ℹ 	furrykefus es conocido ahora como furrykef
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2024-09-29 01:25:56	Root-Atlas	I'll try using the usb multi port and see if it works
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2024-09-29 01:28:12	cloudowind	good and peaceful sundays arch people
2024-09-29 01:28:26	Root-Atlas	it's not my battery
2024-09-29 01:28:38	Root-Atlas	I use an external keyboard and mouse to operate
2024-09-29 01:28:53	teraflops	the log suggests a power cycle
2024-09-29 01:28:53	Root-Atlas	it's the USB cable of the card reader
2024-09-29 01:29:08	Namarrgon	No, it's not the battery but -71 is often caused by subpar grounding of the usb ports.
2024-09-29 01:29:47	Root-Atlas	ah
2024-09-29 01:29:50	Root-Atlas	I'll do that then
2024-09-29 01:29:58	Root-Atlas	after I finish installing win10 on vm
2024-09-29 01:30:28	Namarrgon	It could be a bad usb port, if that's what you meant by "usb multi port"
2024-09-29 01:30:42	Namarrgon	s/usb port/usb hub/
2024-09-29 01:30:53	Root-Atlas	I used the port with and without the multi port adapter
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2024-09-29 01:32:14	cloudowind	ive got into an issue about my battery management , ive tried t2 arch kernel and normal arch they both sturggling to manage battery , ive lost few cycles while plugged in , when a power demending operation starts like compiling soemthing long it starts using from battery , then starts chargin back , i do boot to macos it shows battery %100 but when i get back to arch it shows %95 and chargin..
2024-09-29 01:32:14	cloudowind	it 
2024-09-29 01:32:20	cloudowind	charges 10-20 mins then stops ...
2024-09-29 01:33:16	cloudowind	machine is much more cooler when arch is on qemu , the only thing i just cant get a interface bridging with arch while on macos via qemu 
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2024-09-29 01:34:40	ℹ 	weeb es conocido ahora como vimicito
2024-09-29 01:35:45	cloudowind	t2 macs not really good for linux , they gonna be history soon anyway ,and i am gone too you guys have a lovely one 
2024-09-29 01:37:01	Namarrgon	You don't have to leave, it's okay to be an apple user.
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2024-09-29 01:46:04	Tharre	Is it normal that the initcpio filesystem has '/' with 1777 permissions? ssh does not seem to like that
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2024-09-29 04:08:25	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-09-29 04:08:39	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-29 04:08:40	eyeoh	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/TLP
2024-09-29 04:08:41	phrik	Title: TLP - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-29 04:34:53	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-29 04:50:53	amr_	How I can install systemd service ?
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2024-09-29 05:01:34	gehidore	amr_ can you elaborate?
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2024-09-29 05:20:48	Root-Atl1s	I'n back
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2024-09-29 05:46:52	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-29 05:51:38	Numero	am trying to do an install. the pacstrap -K step goes like normal until after "checking package integrity" - then I get saveral instances of "error: <foo>: signature from "<bar>" is unknown trust" / ":: File <blah> is corrupted(invalid or corupted package (PGP signature))." ultimately it then says "ERROR: failed to install packages to new root." subsequently, arch-chroot /mnt fails for lack of
2024-09-29 05:51:38	Numero	/bin/bash.
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2024-09-29 06:00:37	Numero	does not seem to matter what mirror i use
2024-09-29 06:03:27	gehidore	Numero reinitialize the keychain
2024-09-29 06:03:34	gehidore	And check your clock
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2024-09-29 06:04:17	gehidore	Is this a fresh download of the live ISO or something else?
2024-09-29 06:05:32	Numero	gehidore: it's not a fresh download but yeah, live ISO
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2024-09-29 06:09:59	Numero	gehidore: "date" outputs 4:09 AM UTC sep 29 which i think is correct
2024-09-29 06:10:26	Numero	yeah, that's correct
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2024-09-29 06:24:46	cloudowind	eyeoh: thank you , ive trieds tlp some reason tlp cant govern t2 bmu 
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2024-09-29 06:29:37	cloudowind	in these models those managements governed by t2 chip these doesnt have traditional bioses , there are t2 drivers but as i am lookin at t2 wiki page battery management not available anyway but thank you for your attention 
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2024-09-29 15:34:02	phonemic	Learning question. Nothing is broken.
2024-09-29 15:34:02	phonemic	vulkan-radeon drivers are showing up in lsmod. How are they being used if they aren't present there?
2024-09-29 15:34:09	phonemic	*aren't
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2024-09-29 15:34:48	kode54	vulkan-radeon uses the amdgpu kernel driver
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2024-09-29 15:35:58	phonemic	I'm trying to understand where these files live and how they are pulled in by udev. I see `linux` owns /usr/lib/modules/6.10.10-arch1-1/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu.ko.zst
2024-09-29 15:35:58	andril	hello all
2024-09-29 15:36:22	phonemic	and that is loaded. but where and how is the vulkan module loaded?
2024-09-29 15:36:26	Namarrgon	What exactly do you see in the lsmod output? It can't be 'vulkan-radeon'.
2024-09-29 15:37:29	phonemic	Namarrgon: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/jaredmo/70728b0ce53d5853ca3a81420ddcbcbc/raw/15de1f1de3548a98aa736f042e20a4e2f72898cc/gistfile1.txt
2024-09-29 15:37:50	phonemic	output of `lsmod | grep amdgpu`
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2024-09-29 15:38:03	Namarrgon	No vulkan there, as expected.
2024-09-29 15:38:54	phonemic	yeah so when is this module being loaded /usr/lib/libvulkan_radeon.so
2024-09-29 15:39:03	MacGyver	phonemic: It's not a kernel module.
2024-09-29 15:39:07	Namarrgon	That is not a kernel module, only a user-space library.
2024-09-29 15:39:40	phonemic	Oh I see
2024-09-29 15:40:39	phonemic	.ko = kernel module
2024-09-29 15:40:39	phonemic	.so = library
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2024-09-29 15:41:52	phonemic	and mesa files are all user-space libraries are well
2024-09-29 15:41:53	Namarrgon	Generally, you shouldn't judge a file type by the filename but in this case it's a good enough indicator.
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2024-09-29 15:42:02	phonemic	Namarrgon: yeah for sure
2024-09-29 15:42:38	phonemic	And udev from systemd detect the hardware and dynamically loads amdgpu?
2024-09-29 15:43:30	Namarrgon	The kernel detects the hardware and asks udev to load a driver.
2024-09-29 15:43:54	Namarrgon	In this case, at least, when the driver isn'T built into the kernel.
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2024-09-29 15:45:49	phonemic	is amdgpu decompressed everytime it's loaded? I noticed it's using zst
2024-09-29 15:46:20	Namarrgon	Yes, the code cannot be executed in the compressed form.
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2024-09-29 15:46:36	phonemic	thanks, just poking around and figure out how all this works
2024-09-29 15:46:40	phonemic	*figuring
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2024-09-29 15:53:33	demonicmaniac1	phonemic: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Linux_AMD_graphics_stack.svg
2024-09-29 15:53:45	phonemic	How does a program know what shared libraries are available?
2024-09-29 15:54:08	phonemic	is that through /usr/bin/ld.so ?
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2024-09-29 15:55:44	demonicmaniac1	it doesn't "know" it has been linked against a library which it asks to load. ld.so is responsible for loading the library requested
2024-09-29 15:55:57	demonicmaniac1	*linked at build time
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2024-09-29 15:58:04	phonemic	Thanks
2024-09-29 15:58:09	demonicmaniac1	more specifically ld.so parses a binary for the linked libraries it was built against and then loads and runs them with the program
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2024-09-29 15:59:18	phonemic	So distributions put these .so libraries in the same path?
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2024-09-29 16:00:50	phonemic	Otherwise a program would try to find it and fail if it exist somewhere else?
2024-09-29 16:00:51	demonicmaniac1	ld.so parses configuration files which list the paths and order to look for 
2024-09-29 16:00:53	phonemic	*existed
2024-09-29 16:01:10	demonicmaniac1	so distributions are free to adjust those
2024-09-29 16:01:15	phonemic	I see
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2024-09-29 16:03:53	demonicmaniac1	the important distinction is that a dynamically linked binary requires ld.so to run always. you can view it as that you are not running a binary - when you "execute" a binary you effecitively execute ld.so with the program binary as an argument which it parses, loads required shared objects, and then finally runs
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2024-09-29 16:06:43	demonicmaniac1	most of this you can easily read up on yourself. install man-pages and apropos and you can apropos keywords giving you manpages covering functions/topics and then reading the manpages
2024-09-29 16:07:22	phonemic	That makes sense now why glibc is required by base
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2024-09-29 18:52:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-29 18:52:45	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1450 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1449 regular)
2024-09-29 18:09:58	insidesources	just a general question, has anyone noticed their keyboards typing double characters recently
2024-09-29 18:10:29	mefistofeles	insidesources: I've had issues with BT in somewhat "noisy" environments, but that's not exclusive to the BT keyboard but also a headset
2024-09-29 18:10:42	mefistofeles	other than that, no
2024-09-29 18:52:45	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-29 18:56:22	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-29 18:56:22	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1449 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1448 regular)
2024-09-29 18:56:22	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-29 19:13:39	FloatD	I tried connecting to wifi with iwd after installing, but network is unreachable when I try to ping. I've tried stuff like rfkill unblock wifi and editing /etc/iwd/main.conf
2024-09-29 19:14:20	teraflops	FloatD: are you connected? do you have an IP address?
2024-09-29 19:14:37	teraflops	iwd does not do dhcp by default irrc
2024-09-29 19:15:19	teraflops	iirc^ 
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2024-09-29 19:15:37	FloatD	Yea, but I think I enabled dhcp by adding the line "EnableNetworkConfiguration=true" but I could be wrong
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2024-09-29 19:15:51	teraflops	ip a
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2024-09-29 19:16:42	FloatD	wlan0 up, and I see a couple ipv6 I think
2024-09-29 19:16:53	teraflops	mabe you have an ip but your dns is faulty
2024-09-29 19:17:06	teraflops	try pinging an ip address of the internet
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2024-09-29 19:18:31	FloatD	[Network]
2024-09-29 19:18:31	FloatD	NameResolvingService=systemd
2024-09-29 19:18:32	FloatD	Copied this from arch wiki and put into main.conf
2024-09-29 19:18:38	FloatD	Can't ping my desktop
2024-09-29 19:18:58	FloatD	Sharing wifi from my iphone, but shouldn't cause the issue
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2024-09-29 19:19:29	teraflops	e.g ping -6 2001:4860:4860::8888
2024-09-29 19:20:11	FloatD	Name or service not known
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2024-09-29 19:20:54	teraflops	you are using the phone as hotspot? which ip address is giving to you?
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2024-09-29 19:24:24	FloatD	I dunno my local ip adress
2024-09-29 19:24:55	teraflops	you ssaid you saw a couple of ip addresses
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2024-09-29 19:25:55	teraflops	ip addr show dev wlan0
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2024-09-29 19:28:33	ℹ 	Juesto es conocido ahora como Juest
2024-09-29 19:29:05	FloatD	inet6 2001:999:231:41d:764c:a1ff:fed3:13e7/64
2024-09-29 19:29:10	FloatD	That's my lan ip?
2024-09-29 19:29:31	teraflops	it looks like so
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2024-09-29 19:30:02	teraflops	I cann ping you
2024-09-29 19:30:47	teraflops	with ipv6 sometimes lan and wan are so diffuse 
2024-09-29 19:31:15	FloatD	I got two of those inet6
2024-09-29 19:31:19	FloatD	but hmm
2024-09-29 19:31:30	FloatD	I just did systemctl start systemd-resolve
2024-09-29 19:31:35	FloatD	but that didn't seem to do anything
2024-09-29 19:31:35	teraflops	I can ping the one above from here 2a0c:b642:a06:d950::2
2024-09-29 19:32:25	FloatD	I can also ping that last ip you sent
2024-09-29 19:32:32	teraflops	so you have internet
2024-09-29 19:32:39	teraflops	lets see DNS
2024-09-29 19:32:46	teraflops	ping -6 google.com
2024-09-29 19:32:55	FloatD	But why dont ping 8.8.8.8 work?
2024-09-29 19:33:08	teraflops	you do not have dual stack it looks like
2024-09-29 19:33:28	FloatD	hmm now google.com works
2024-09-29 19:33:36	FloatD	I'm really confused what I did
2024-09-29 19:33:40	teraflops	heh
2024-09-29 19:34:14	FloatD	Maybe it took a bit for systemd-resolved to start doing it's thing?
2024-09-29 19:34:24	teraflops	maybe, did you restart it?
2024-09-29 19:34:31	FloatD	not since I enabled it
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2024-09-29 19:34:48	teraflops	no idea then, maybe the key is -6
2024-09-29 19:35:04	FloatD	what that do, choose ipv6?
2024-09-29 19:35:16	FloatD	8.8.8.8 still dont work
2024-09-29 19:35:26	teraflops	try ping google.com w/o -6
2024-09-29 19:35:36	teraflops	or try ping 8.8.8.8
2024-09-29 19:35:36	FloatD	google works
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2024-09-29 19:35:44	FloatD	8.8.8.8 no
2024-09-29 19:35:49	Warepire	FloatD: 8.8.8.8 is an IPv4 address, if you do not have an IPv4 address configured it won't work.
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2024-09-29 19:36:04	teraflops	as I said it looks like you do not have dual stack
2024-09-29 19:36:19	FloatD	oh ok, I didn't think it'd swap the default by just typing -6
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2024-09-29 19:36:49	Warepire	-6 usually means "force IPv6" with tools that take that flag.
2024-09-29 19:37:05	FloatD	How do I setup IPv4?
2024-09-29 19:37:05	Warepire	*network tools
2024-09-29 19:37:38	Warepire	Depends on your network, if you want to obtain the address via DHCP, make sure to ask for a IPv4 address, and make sure the other end can supply them.
2024-09-29 19:38:02	Warepire	(you can ask for one alongside IPv6 if you still want to have that available)
2024-09-29 19:38:14	FloatD	Worked on the install media, so I guess it gotta work on the installation as well
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2024-09-29 19:41:57	FloatD	ipv6 should be disabled by default, why do I only have an ipv6?
2024-09-29 19:42:38	teraflops	it's your phone afaik
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2024-09-29 19:48:09	FloatD	Has to somehow work, my windows machine has ipv4
2024-09-29 19:48:19	Tharre	Anyone have any idea why the initramfs is mounted as 1777 or where to change that?
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2024-09-29 19:49:23	Tharre	As in '/' has 1777 permissions (mkinitcpio)
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2024-09-29 19:53:43	teraflops	FloatD: try `dhcpcd -4` and see what happens
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2024-09-30 16:14:46	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-30 16:14:46	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1442 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1441 regular)
2024-09-30 14:34:46	demonicmaniac1	Foxboron: post-factum: the other big problem ofc is that you need one build instance per user per their exact microsecond state of system for deps
2024-09-30 14:35:24	Foxboron	demonicmaniac1: ... what?
2024-09-30 14:36:44	post-factum	demonicmaniac1: …what?
2024-09-30 14:39:28	demonicmaniac1	Foxboron: post-factum: sorry if i misunderstood. i read the user obs like thing which would require frequent rebuilding and every user rebuilding frequently for any possible dep changes. worded badly. simply in the magnitude sense if end users could rebuild on public instances for their systems
2024-09-30 14:40:08	Foxboron	demonicmaniac1: Why would it?
2024-09-30 14:40:13	post-factum	well, i'd only welcome autorebuilds with pkgrel bumps, but in case it's really necessary, like boost updates
2024-09-30 14:40:27	post-factum	iow, for versioned solibs
2024-09-30 14:40:36	Foxboron	You would only need this for library rebuilds, and that doesn't happen with "exact microsecond state of a system"
2024-09-30 14:41:58	demonicmaniac1	fair enough, that was wildly exagerated
2024-09-30 14:43:47	Foxboron	demonicmaniac1: sure, but that isn't helpful
2024-09-30 14:44:34	demonicmaniac1	i guess i was thinking of allowing to build there based on system packages state and not based on current repo state 
2024-09-30 14:45:11	Foxboron	That is not how Arch works
2024-09-30 14:46:43	post-factum	every build would be done in a clean environment that is temporarily freshly built from a current repo state (as a container, probably, or a vm like in obs)
2024-09-30 14:46:50	demonicmaniac1	sure i was just being very confused as to how that would supplant the aur in that way since it's very possible to build aur stuff using your current system state
2024-09-30 14:47:00	Foxboron	demonicmaniac1: then you can ask that question
2024-09-30 14:47:29	demonicmaniac1	indeed i need to sort my brain first, sorry
2024-09-30 14:47:31	post-factum	this would have nothing to do with aur itself imo
2024-09-30 14:47:36	Foxboron	demonicmaniac1: No worries
2024-09-30 14:58:52	parakovsky	guys i have this wonderful script that displays basic diagnostic data of an audio stream using ffmpeg, it is very coold but it only displays what feeds into mpv player, my question is do you think I can make all of my system audio as a sort of stream that i can then plug into this thing and it will display and overall information? sorta like easyeffects i guess...
2024-09-30 14:58:52	parakovsky	https://github.com/Warblefly/audiometer
2024-09-30 14:58:53	phrik	Title: GitHub - Warblefly/audiometer: Meters many parameters of stereo audio file. (at github.com)
2024-09-30 15:11:54	Namarrgon	Looking at how the audiometer script works, you can't really do that "system-wide".
2024-09-30 15:13:09	Namarrgon	Short of piping everything through an ffmpeg sink before you sink it to the hw...
2024-09-30 15:21:02	parakovsky	maybe i can easyeffect the same set of metrics somehow, but last time i looked up i ether didn't find nothing or really badly formulated the search query
2024-09-30 15:44:17	tippfehlr	packagers: I’m curious, how does gitignore and styling work for official packages? I see no packages have a .gitignore or an .editorconfig
2024-09-30 15:44:56	Earnestly	Why would they?
2024-09-30 15:45:46	tippfehlr	to ignore src and pkg, and for colab to set the indent style and size?
2024-09-30 15:46:56	Earnestly	An official package, and generally as an ideal, will not build with src and pkg in the same directory as the pkgbuild but in a chroot. I know I relocate SRCDEST to reuse repos
2024-09-30 15:47:34	Antiz	tippfehlr: This is handled by our packaging tooling (pkgctl from the devtools package)
2024-09-30 15:47:44	Earnestly	Not sure if the aur rejects .editorconfig, but it likely doesn't. In theory that can exist but it seems a bit pointless for such simple things
2024-09-30 15:49:42	Earnestly	tippfehlr: Some maintainers would leave vim style edit line comments in the pkgbuilds
2024-09-30 15:50:42	tippfehlr	Antiz: pkgctl release does it all, I see ^^
2024-09-30 15:51:11	Antiz	tippfehlr: To be more precise `src` and `pkg` are located inside the clean chroots used to build our packages (and not in `$PWD`). Only the logs and the end result (the built packages) are copied to $PWD afterwards. So `src` and `pkg` are not concerned at all.
2024-09-30 15:51:47	Antiz	As for the rest (logs, built packages, etc...) `pkgctl release` indeed automatically ignores those.
2024-09-30 15:53:05	tippfehlr	Earnestly: yeah but those are vim only (do other editors support them?)
2024-09-30 15:53:54	tippfehlr	Antiz: so you always use pkgctl build?
2024-09-30 15:56:04	Earnestly	tippfehlr: No idea if editors support each other's modelines/file variables, seems like they could agree on a subset of each, but not aware of any
2024-09-30 15:56:15	Earnestly	Probably why editorconfig exists
2024-09-30 15:56:27	luigibu	hi, i just did a fresh arch install and i can install packages whit pacman.. no issues.. but after 24hs there are no updates.. what looks extrange to me. maybe i forgot something?
2024-09-30 15:56:43	tippfehlr	yeah that’s why editorconfig exists :)
2024-09-30 15:57:32	tippfehlr	luigibu: you did pacman -Syu?
2024-09-30 15:58:18	luigibu	exact
2024-09-30 15:58:38	wunit	luigibu: check the mirrorlist page to see if the mirror you use is reasonably up to date
2024-09-30 15:58:54	luigibu	i just run reflector.. should be
2024-09-30 15:59:41	Namarrgon	Which is the first mirror in the list?
2024-09-30 16:00:24	luigibu	ubrco.de
2024-09-30 16:00:25	Namarrgon	Depending on what you have installed it's possible that there were just no updates for these packages in the last 24h, even with arch.
2024-09-30 16:00:36	Antiz	tippfehlr: Yes, we do. Using `pkgctl` is mandatory for official Arch packages
2024-09-30 16:02:01	Namarrgon	luigibu: it has gtk4 1:4.16.2-2, which was just pushed an hour ago.
2024-09-30 16:02:41	tippfehlr	Antiz: ok thanks. I guess I should stop using makepkg directly, it only introduces errors
2024-09-30 16:07:29	luigibu	right.. may be is just cos is a brand new install with no many installs on it
2024-09-30 16:07:35	luigibu	thnaks Namarrgon 
2024-09-30 16:14:46	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-30 16:19:00	fenugrec	About the recent change to pacman.conf "DownloadUser = alpm" : I'm using a shared cache dir (SMB mount), so I added alpm to the shared users group , now I can "sudo -u alpm touch $shared_dir/test" no problem, but pacman still complains about Permission Denied when installing stuff. What am I missing ?
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2024-09-30 16:21:06	fenugrec	I don't think I need to reboot to have the group change take effect ? (I have a bunch of terminals open and running 'groups alpm' confirms it's part of the shared group too)
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2024-09-30 16:26:21	fenugrec	Or is this because pacman tries to do the file access with UID=alpm, GID=alpm
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2024-09-30 16:30:26	gromit	fenugrec: maybe similar to https://gitlab.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman/-/issues/194 ? 
2024-09-30 16:30:27	phrik	Title: CacheDir on an NFS share no longer works since Pacman 7 (#194) · Issues · Pacman / Pacman · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-30 16:34:35	Giygas	Whelp, I tried to switch from KDE Plasma to i3wm, and then from that to xfce and everything is kinda broken
2024-09-30 16:34:49	fenugrec	gromit hmm good find, it's probably related - in my case though, commenting out the DownloadUser config line 'fixes' it
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2024-09-30 16:37:40	Betal	Giygas: does it works if you start xfce with a new user? if yes, then it is old user config files
2024-09-30 16:38:30	Giygas	I got past the LightDM login screen to a black screen
2024-09-30 16:38:46	Giygas	No mouse, no icons, no wallpaper
2024-09-30 16:38:57	Giygas	Oh, and starting up, it says it failed to start the service
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2024-09-30 16:41:25	ℹ 	_phrik_ es conocido ahora como phrik
2024-09-30 16:41:31	Namarrgon	Stop and disable the DM for now and set up an ~/.xinitrc to launch xfce. Once that works you can worry about the DM.
2024-09-30 16:41:59	Namarrgon	Also get used to posing proper logs, "it failed to start the service" isn't very useful.
2024-09-30 16:42:14	Giygas	My goal is to get i3wm as the tiling window manager, and xfce4 as the DE
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2024-09-30 16:42:25	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1442 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1441 regular)
2024-09-30 16:42:26	Namarrgon	Pick one or the other.
2024-09-30 16:42:27	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-30 16:42:38	Giygas	Which do you suggest?
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2024-09-30 16:42:49	Namarrgon	That is up to you.
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2024-09-30 16:43:18	Namarrgon	Are you logged into irc as root?
2024-09-30 16:43:19	ℹ 	yhndnzj_ es conocido ahora como yhndnzj
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2024-09-30 16:43:48	feinedsquirrel	I ran into an issue and after trying several different mitigations nothing worked. I am trying to narrow down the cause by downgrading to a date before my issue arose (last week). I've changed my mirror list to have only the line "Server=https://archive.archlinux.org/repos/2024/09/20/$repo/os/$arch" and after running pacman -Syyuu I get a whole bunch of "<file> exists in filesystem (owned by 
2024-09-30 16:43:48	Giygas	I just ran konversation as my normal user from commandline in i3wm
2024-09-30 16:43:54	feinedsquirrel	<pkg>)" majority are from libvlc, two are from egl-gbm. Do I need to revert my mirrorlist, run "pacman -Qnq | pacman -S -" and try to downgrade from scratch
2024-09-30 16:44:10	Giygas	I'd never ever run an IRC client as root, that'd be absolutely dangerous
2024-09-30 16:45:13	Namarrgon	feinedsquirrel: Downgrades are not supported, so these kinds of issues are to be expected.
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2024-09-30 16:45:53	Namarrgon	Sometimes packages are split and files move to other packages, which makes unwinding upgrades a bit more complicated.
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2024-09-30 16:46:01	fenugrec	heh a distro-wide 'pacman bisect' would be nice sometimes, but never going to happen : )
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2024-09-30 16:46:28	Namarrgon	feinedsquirrel: What is the original issue?
2024-09-30 16:46:35	Giygas	Is xfce4 resource heavier than i3wm?
2024-09-30 16:46:39	eyeoh	yes
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2024-09-30 16:46:54	Giygas	I think that's my deciding factor, then, i3wm it is
2024-09-30 16:47:15	◣	levitating__ (~levitatin@user/levitating) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-09-30 16:48:00	eyeoh	https://www.gilesorr.com/wm/memory64.html
2024-09-30 16:48:01	phrik	Title: Window Managers 64-bit Memory Usage (at www.gilesorr.com)
2024-09-30 16:48:08	eyeoh	well they're very different in terms of usability
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2024-09-30 16:48:24	Erus_Iluvatar	gigamo: how much memory are you working with?
2024-09-30 16:48:30	eyeoh	I'm not quite keeping track of where your issue is or why i3 should interfere with xfce
2024-09-30 16:48:32	Erus_Iluvatar	*Giygas
2024-09-30 16:48:39	eyeoh	and which issue you're trying to fix first
2024-09-30 16:48:55	feinedsquirrel	Namarrgon: yeah, I figured. I've successfully done it in the past a couple of times to solve other problems. I guess my luck ran out. Nvidia is failing during suspend. When I open my bag when I get home, the machine feels like it is hotter than the sun, and battery drained to 0. I think it happened after the nvidia-utils upgrade (which was a couple days after the nvidia package upgrade), but 
2024-09-30 16:49:01	feinedsquirrel	unsure.
2024-09-30 16:49:06	eyeoh	Giygas: did you actually uninstall kde plasma?
2024-09-30 16:49:25	Giygas	Erus_Iluvatar: 4 GB
2024-09-30 16:49:31	Giygas	eyeoh: Yep, completely
2024-09-30 16:49:34	eyeoh	oh dear
2024-09-30 16:49:42	eyeoh	uninstalling a DE is always a recipe...
2024-09-30 16:49:57	Erus_Iluvatar	even KDE can fit in there
2024-09-30 16:50:02	eyeoh	you generally don't need to uninstall anything to try out another DE/WM
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2024-09-30 16:50:28	eyeoh	I would suspect this is the root cause of your issues right now
2024-09-30 16:50:40	Giygas	Lol, I fucked up?
2024-09-30 16:50:41	Betal	feinedsquirrel: you could try downgrade only nvidia packages with related kernels
2024-09-30 16:50:52	eyeoh	Giygas: yeah, but I'm not sure which path you want to fix it with
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2024-09-30 16:51:07	eyeoh	you mentioned plasma, i3, and xfce in a short span of time
2024-09-30 16:51:10	eyeoh	that's a lot to focus on at once
2024-09-30 16:51:45	alad	use icewm with the windows xp theme
2024-09-30 16:52:02	eyeoh	generally speaking, i3 benefits from keeping your previous DE installed; because then you get to use that DE's programs
2024-09-30 16:52:37	eyeoh	so I guess if you're convinced i3 is for you as it is for me, then you can either focus on getting i3 working right; or install and get a DE working again and then setting i3 up
2024-09-30 16:53:24	teraflops	I think i3/sway are more friendly to gtk than QT
2024-09-30 16:53:38	Betal	Giygas: did you test some DE in a new user?
2024-09-30 16:53:41	eyeoh	I only know it alongside gnome
2024-09-30 16:54:05	eyeoh	I absolutely loathe gnome but I'm not uninstalling it now
2024-09-30 16:54:10	Giygas	I ran into the issue of running out of RAM with Plasma KDE, no matter what I did
2024-09-30 16:54:23	eyeoh	how much RAM?
2024-09-30 16:54:33	mefistofeles	teraflops: why would i3 be more friendly to gtk than Qt?
2024-09-30 16:54:42	Giygas	4 GB, but something was making it so I only had 2 GB
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2024-09-30 16:54:47	eyeoh	ok 4G is tight yeah
2024-09-30 16:54:53	teraflops	idk but that is what I read in the documentation
2024-09-30 16:55:00	mefistofeles	teraflops: ah ok
2024-09-30 16:55:07	Giygas	I even tried zram of 4 GB on top of that
2024-09-30 16:55:09	feinedsquirrel	Betal: yeah, that is what I'll try now. Still not sure it will work since nvidia-utils had three of the "file exists" error through egl-gbm. I'll see what I can work out. Going back to a specific date just removes ambiguity (and has been easy in my past experience, set a date in mirrorlist, -Syyuu, done). Thanks all
2024-09-30 16:55:21	eyeoh	Giygas: anyway, how well does i3 work right now?
2024-09-30 16:55:58	Giygas	i3 works, it's just a learning curve
2024-09-30 16:56:12	Giygas	I don't know what I'm doing with some of the key bindings, lol
2024-09-30 16:56:35	eyeoh	mod+enter for a terminal
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2024-09-30 16:56:48	eyeoh	and I strongly recommend rebinding jkl; to hjkl
2024-09-30 16:57:00	eyeoh	just swap mod+h for mod+;
2024-09-30 16:57:22	eyeoh	the i3wm user guide online is very good
2024-09-30 16:57:47	eyeoh	build up your config gradually; don't go copy pasting others' entire configs
2024-09-30 16:58:18	eyeoh	you can also get config inspiratoins from one of the various distros that offer i3, and look at those configs in a live usb
2024-09-30 16:58:27	teraflops	if you get used to tiling it's hard to go back
2024-09-30 16:58:43	eyeoh	yeah i3 made my mac experience so poor
2024-09-30 16:58:51	Giygas	The funniest shit was I was using my chromebook at the car dealership while we were waiting for the guy to get back to us about the car, and everyone that worked there seemed amazed by Linux
2024-09-30 16:58:51	teraflops	heh same here
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2024-09-30 16:59:18	Giygas	People seemed to treat me like I'm a super hacker or something?
2024-09-30 16:59:24	eyeoh	I mean, car dealership; what more can I say
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2024-09-30 16:59:46	eyeoh	also it's their job to make you feel good :p
2024-09-30 16:59:55	Giygas	True
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2024-09-30 17:00:38	Giygas	On top of tiling, is it possible to do floating windows, like a normal DE?
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2024-09-30 17:01:55	MacGyver	Yes, but you're not likely to use that a lot.
2024-09-30 17:02:07	eyeoh	Giygas: oh this was the link I was looking for just a moment ago re: memory usage https://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/a-memory-comparison-of-light-linux-desktops/
2024-09-30 17:02:08	phrik	Title: A Memory Comparison of Light Linux Desktops | l3net – a layer 3 networking blog (at l3net.wordpress.com)
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2024-09-30 17:02:16	MacGyver	It's definitely a secondary citizen and tiling works well for 99.9% of applications.
2024-09-30 17:02:32	eyeoh	Giygas: small windows will float automatically; other windows can be manually floated or set to float automatically but yeah, I don't do this often
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2024-09-30 17:02:47	eyeoh	I recently set the default mode to tabbed (mod+w)
2024-09-30 17:02:50	teraflops	nobody does that often
2024-09-30 17:03:01	eyeoh	because most of my workspaces use tabbed mode; bar the terminals which I can set mod+e manually
2024-09-30 17:03:20	Giygas	Oh shit, tab+w is pretty cool
2024-09-30 17:03:23	eyeoh	this means when I start a browser session with all the saved windows/tabs, it doesn't tile crazily
2024-09-30 17:03:30	eyeoh	mod+w mod+e mod+s
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2024-09-30 17:03:56	Giygas	oop, I mean mod
2024-09-30 17:03:58	Giygas	I have to get used to it
2024-09-30 17:03:59	eyeoh	there's an old i3 video on youtube which I think is linked from i3's website; it's good
2024-09-30 17:04:10	eyeoh	explaining the structure. it'll save you time
2024-09-30 17:04:40	Giygas	Oh god, does that MEMORY < 0.0 B mean I'm using all of my memory?
2024-09-30 17:04:40	eyeoh	for my terminals workspace, my favourite layout is tiled [ ][ ] and then for each 'column', mod+v mod+s
2024-09-30 17:04:47	Giygas	Everything is laggy
2024-09-30 17:04:55	eyeoh	where are you seeing mem usage?
2024-09-30 17:05:00	eyeoh	type `free -h`
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2024-09-30 17:05:15	Giygas	bottom bar
2024-09-30 17:05:22	eyeoh	don't trust that
2024-09-30 17:05:33	eyeoh	wait why are you already getting a mem usage thing in the status bar; how?
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2024-09-30 17:05:57	eyeoh	that stuff requires setup
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2024-09-30 17:06:26	eyeoh	after a fresh boot, my mem usage with i3 is about 1GB
2024-09-30 17:06:42	Giygas	              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
2024-09-30 17:06:43	Giygas	Mem:           3.7Gi       3.4Gi       382Mi       266Mi       399Mi       265Mi
2024-09-30 17:06:59	eyeoh	what is going on there
2024-09-30 17:07:06	eyeoh	what else do you have running?
2024-09-30 17:07:19	eyeoh	are you using zfs or something
2024-09-30 17:07:41	Giygas	zfs?
2024-09-30 17:07:47	eyeoh	nevermind; that was a half joke
2024-09-30 17:07:58	eyeoh	but what else are you running? web browsers?
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2024-09-30 17:08:35	Giygas	Hold up, let me run top
2024-09-30 17:08:40	Giygas	I'mma kill some shit
2024-09-30 17:08:50	teraflops	Giygas: AUR/ps_mem is a good tool
2024-09-30 17:08:51	eyeoh	...
2024-09-30 17:08:52	◣	eirik__ (~eirik@84.208.214.155) ha salido (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2024-09-30 17:09:17	eyeoh	I just closed all my browsers, and still have a qemu vm running; memory usage: 3.6G, 1.6G swap
2024-09-30 17:09:21	◣	Darius10467 (getting@user/Darius10467) ha salido (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2024-09-30 17:09:34	eyeoh	that swap is actually zram
2024-09-30 17:10:14	Giygas	Would 8 GB zram be overkill?
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2024-09-30 17:10:26	MacGyver	You can't run that.
2024-09-30 17:10:31	teraflops	ouch
2024-09-30 17:10:38	MacGyver	Like, literally, you can't.
2024-09-30 17:10:46	Giygas	?
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2024-09-30 17:10:57	MacGyver	You understand how zram works, right?
2024-09-30 17:11:10	eyeoh	ok and now I've closed most things bar 3 terminals; and 2G mem usage, 621M zram
2024-09-30 17:11:16	eyeoh	you should be able to match that with i3
2024-09-30 17:12:11	MacGyver	There's no magic additional RAM. It takes space in the 4GiB you have. 8 GiB of zram would fill up most of your 4 GiB.
2024-09-30 17:12:39	MacGyver	You'll probably have a system that performs *worse*, not better, at that point.
2024-09-30 17:12:42	Giygas	MacGyver:  I kinda just set up zram following the instructions, hoping it'd be a magical fix-all for my RAM issues, I set it to 4 GB when setting it up
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2024-09-30 17:12:59	eyeoh	do you have any swap?
2024-09-30 17:13:13	eyeoh	with a system that tight, I think swap would still help
2024-09-30 17:13:28	Giygas	It's saying there's none, even though I had that set up with archinstall
2024-09-30 17:13:46	eyeoh	what type of swap did you set up?
2024-09-30 17:14:00	MacGyver	Has anyone asked and/or answered the question whether it's feasible to just shell out a few tens of bucks for an 8 - or even 16 GiB RAM stick?
2024-09-30 17:14:13	eyeoh	if a system has 4G, I imagine it's not happening
2024-09-30 17:14:19	eyeoh	because else it would have already happened
2024-09-30 17:14:28	eyeoh	and I bet it's something like DDR2 or even earlier
2024-09-30 17:14:37	eyeoh	which; I suppose maybe you can find secondhand
2024-09-30 17:14:42	eyeoh	still a good question though
2024-09-30 17:15:01	◣	drathir_tor (~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-09-30 17:15:42	MacGyver	There's certainly something to be said for running optimized systems but anything under 8 is just not worth the trouble nowadays.
2024-09-30 17:15:50	eyeoh	depends on the use case
2024-09-30 17:15:51	teraflops	that is a google thingi i can't recall the name
2024-09-30 17:15:59	teraflops	chromebook?
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2024-09-30 17:16:13	Giygas	Yeah, it's a shitty Chromebook, lol
2024-09-30 17:16:29	MacGyver	But is it a shitty chromebook in which you can put more RAM?
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2024-09-30 17:16:56	eyeoh	I've never heard of such a thing; they exist?
2024-09-30 17:16:57	Giygas	That I'd have to figure out by taking apart the whole Chromebook and figuring out if is soldered MacGyver
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2024-09-30 17:17:08	eyeoh	or look up the model number?
2024-09-30 17:17:11	MacGyver	^
2024-09-30 17:17:27	Giygas	True
2024-09-30 17:17:28	teraflops	4GB is just a nightmare
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2024-09-30 17:18:04	Giygas	Also, please be patient, I'm learning by Googling shit. I've spent 13-14 years with only a base knowledge of Linux, using Debian CLI to run Source, GoldSrc, and Minecraft servers
2024-09-30 17:18:10	MacGyver	4GiB of RAM *can* be made to work, but it's on the wrong end of the "time + frustration / money" break-even graph.
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2024-09-30 17:18:17	eyeoh	it's workable if you don't do any real web browsing
2024-09-30 17:18:29	Giygas	I've never even used Linux on a personal level, no DE, no WM, nothing
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2024-09-30 17:18:54	eyeoh	what did you mean by base knowledge
2024-09-30 17:19:11	eyeoh	vs personal level
2024-09-30 17:19:32	MacGyver	Giygas: No worries. Just be aware that Linux is not a magical silver bullet against all resource use in modern software.
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2024-09-30 17:19:57	Namarrgon	There are distros that cater to low-spec systems, arch is not one of them.
2024-09-30 17:20:02	MacGyver	Giygas: If you want to run common desktop applications, you'll find you need as much memory for them as you would under other operating systems.
2024-09-30 17:20:03	Giygas	eyeoh: Just normal file stuff, editing text files, running shell files, tmux/screen, and stuff
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2024-09-30 17:20:53	eyeoh	alright so you mean some linux server knowledge but not when it comes to linux on desktop
2024-09-30 17:20:56	eyeoh	gotcha
2024-09-30 17:20:58	Giygas	Yeah
2024-09-30 17:21:15	Giygas	I've also hosted websites on a linux VPS and dedicated server before
2024-09-30 17:21:16	eyeoh	well you're in luck for it will soon be the year of linux on desktop™
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2024-09-30 17:21:48	Giygas	What's the lowest-spec-catering distro available?
2024-09-30 17:21:59	teraflops	alpine maybe
2024-09-30 17:22:11	Giygas	Also, the cool thing is I can now say I installed Arch before
2024-09-30 17:22:23	Giygas	I've been through hell, I've got my battle wounds
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2024-09-30 17:24:08	eyeoh	I don't know if this list is any good https://itsfoss.com/lightweight-linux-beginners/
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2024-09-30 17:25:25	eyeoh	hmm maybe Tiny Core might leave some RAM behind for firefox
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2024-09-30 17:26:36	eyeoh	but knowing the details of your system now; I wouldn't even bother with xfce
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2024-09-30 17:26:56	eyeoh	maybe lxde at most for DEs
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2024-09-30 17:31:24	Giygas	Also, I was told SWAP can have long term effects on the hard drive?
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2024-09-30 17:32:52	eyeoh	depends
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2024-09-30 17:33:48	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-30 17:33:48	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1448 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1447 regular)
2024-09-30 17:33:20	eyeoh	does that chromebook have a hard drive?
2024-09-30 17:33:45	eyeoh	if RAM is so full that stuff needs to keep being kicked out of it, that might not be so good either
2024-09-30 17:33:49	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-30 17:34:36	thumbs	Swapping to a SD card isn't good, generally.
2024-09-30 17:34:45	Giygas	It has an eMMC flash storage block
2024-09-30 17:35:19	eyeoh	https://www.howtogeek.com/449691/what-is-swapiness-on-linux-and-how-to-change-it/#what-should-swapiness-be-set-to " Trying to "disable swap" by setting the Linux swappiness value to zero simply shifts the swap-associated hard drive activity to file-associated hard drive activity."
2024-09-30 17:35:46	eyeoh	do you really have a choice though?
2024-09-30 17:35:51	eyeoh	you're dealing with 4GB RAM remember
2024-09-30 17:35:58	eyeoh	so like, you can either not use it at all or...
2024-09-30 17:35:58	Namarrgon	What does that even mean?
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2024-09-30 17:36:16	Giygas	I wish I could just fucking junk this thing
2024-09-30 17:36:25	eyeoh	is this your main computer?
2024-09-30 17:36:26	Giygas	God, this thing is a headache
2024-09-30 17:36:28	Giygas	Yeah
2024-09-30 17:36:54	Giygas	My mom died in 2021, and this was her computer
2024-09-30 17:36:55	eyeoh	I'm betting that performance will be no worse if you enable swap
2024-09-30 17:37:24	eyeoh	I think the theory goes that not everything needs to be in RAM
2024-09-30 17:37:36	eyeoh	and you're better off with the less important things in swap, so RAM can be used for more important things
2024-09-30 17:38:09	Giygas	Will Linux decide in a sane way what goes to Swap and what doesn't?
2024-09-30 17:38:27	eyeoh	that's what my link above suggests
2024-09-30 17:38:32	eyeoh	and linux is smarter than I am
2024-09-30 17:38:35	◣	alwyn (~alwyn@user/alwyn) ha salido (Quit: rawr)
2024-09-30 17:38:44	eyeoh	anecdote: my swap usage went up after I gave my systems more swap
2024-09-30 17:38:55	eyeoh	I changed nothing else (ok, well; apart from adding zram)
2024-09-30 17:39:20	teraflops	I have 32GB of swap and I this machine never ever swap a bit
2024-09-30 17:39:31	eyeoh	I have 16G RAM and 16G swap
2024-09-30 17:39:47	eyeoh	on both laptop and desktop; and both of them increased swap usage from close to zero to a bit more
2024-09-30 17:40:01	eyeoh	RAM usage isn't 100%
2024-09-30 17:41:06	eyeoh	right now with too many firefox tabs/windows to count, archbang install (qemu) and these terminal windows; 7.7G/15.4G RAM, 2G zram, 10M swap
2024-09-30 17:41:35	eyeoh	that 10M used to look like 0.5M at most when I had 4G swap
2024-09-30 17:42:05	eyeoh	if I browse a bit more, it'll climb and memory usage still won't hit 100%; I suspect because linux is smarter than me
2024-09-30 17:42:11	just_me	I have a 4gb chromebook with emmc drive. I can browse quite normally. But I do have to be a little careful.
2024-09-30 17:42:30	eyeoh	just_me: so, mostly one browser window/tab at a time?
2024-09-30 17:42:49	just_me	eyeoh, no, upto 5 or 6 tabs
2024-09-30 17:42:57	Giygas	Can you believe there's an Android app for making bootable flash drives using an iso file, but you either have to watch ads or buy credits to use it?
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2024-09-30 17:43:23	eyeoh	where is this app being served?
2024-09-30 17:43:30	just_me	Giygas, have you tried the one from f-droid?
2024-09-30 17:43:33	Giygas	Google Play Store
2024-09-30 17:43:40	eyeoh	oh you mean the app itself has ads
2024-09-30 17:43:45	eyeoh	there's much sketchy stuff there
2024-09-30 17:43:59	just_me	iirc f-droid has one such app
2024-09-30 17:44:00	Giygas	Yeah eyeoh, you have to watch the ad to earn credits to burn an iso
2024-09-30 17:44:23	Giygas	I'll try the one for f-droid if I don't have to subject myself to brainrot ads
2024-09-30 17:44:35	Namarrgon	Why are you doing this on android?
2024-09-30 17:44:46	eyeoh	I have a Dell Inspiron 8600 with 1GB RAM that I basically intend to give away and that thing would be capable of burning ISOs
2024-09-30 17:44:56	◣	Alqiwa (~Alqiwa@user/Alqiwa) ha salido (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2024-09-30 17:45:10	eyeoh	no ads
2024-09-30 17:45:53	Giygas	I had to at one point because my shit was fucked Namarrgon
2024-09-30 17:46:01	hseg	Hi. For some reason, a package is failing to pass check() when building in a clean chroot, but passes fine on my system. Any ideas in re perms/network differences that might be relevant?
2024-09-30 17:46:34	Giygas	Also, it's SLOW through a usb-c to USB-A adapter
2024-09-30 17:46:53	just_me	hseg, you can look into the pkgbuild and see what the check() function is doing.
2024-09-30 17:47:03	hseg	just running pytest
2024-09-30 17:47:38	Namarrgon	It could be missing a dependency needed for the test.
2024-09-30 17:47:56	Namarrgon	But you would have to look at thebuild log to be sure...
2024-09-30 17:48:15	hseg	nope -- it's giving FileNotFound errors. This seems to be the relevant function https://0x0.st/XgfK.txt
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2024-09-30 17:49:18	hseg	possibly it's getting a different directory structure than it was expecting
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2024-09-30 17:52:56	hseg	btw, I'm getting sudo: unable to find terminal name for device 136, 12 in trying to build in the clean chroot
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2024-09-30 17:54:20	Namarrgon	Don't you think it would be helpful to post the build log or at least tell us what project you're trying to build?
2024-09-30 17:54:43	randomusr	please recommend an article for configuring google otp with ssh? 
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2024-09-30 17:56:33	connstruct	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Google_Authenticator
2024-09-30 17:56:34	phrik	Title: Google Authenticator - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-30 18:00:15	randomusr	Danke
2024-09-30 18:00:23	hseg	Namarrgon: true, sorry. I'm trying to build https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/python-flake8-pyproject
2024-09-30 18:00:27	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - python-flake8-pyproject (at aur.archlinux.org)
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2024-09-30 18:01:38	hseg	(note: it needs python-pycodestyle 2.12.1 to build -- flake8 7.0 was packaged despite that version of python-pycodestyle not being packaged)
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2024-09-30 18:02:49	ℹ 	Roselie es conocido ahora como codebecile
2024-09-30 18:03:01	hseg	I'm regenerating the build log, a moment
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2024-09-30 18:03:55	hseg	https://0x0.st/XgfB.bin
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2024-09-30 18:05:37	hseg	note all the failures are due to attempts to run flake8 against files it can't find
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2024-09-30 18:09:58	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-09-30 18:09:58	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1448 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1447 regular)
2024-09-30 17:33:20	eyeoh	does that chromebook have a hard drive?
2024-09-30 17:33:45	eyeoh	if RAM is so full that stuff needs to keep being kicked out of it, that might not be so good either
2024-09-30 17:34:48	thumbs	Swapping to a SD card isn't good, generally.
2024-09-30 17:34:57	Giygas	It has an eMMC flash storage block
2024-09-30 17:35:31	eyeoh	https://www.howtogeek.com/449691/what-is-swapiness-on-linux-and-how-to-change-it/#what-should-swapiness-be-set-to " Trying to "disable swap" by setting the Linux swappiness value to zero simply shifts the swap-associated hard drive activity to file-associated hard drive activity."
2024-09-30 17:35:58	eyeoh	do you really have a choice though?
2024-09-30 17:36:03	eyeoh	you're dealing with 4GB RAM remember
2024-09-30 17:36:10	eyeoh	so like, you can either not use it at all or...
2024-09-30 17:36:10	Namarrgon	What does that even mean?
2024-09-30 17:36:28	Giygas	I wish I could just fucking junk this thing
2024-09-30 17:36:37	eyeoh	is this your main computer?
2024-09-30 17:36:37	Giygas	God, this thing is a headache
2024-09-30 17:36:40	Giygas	Yeah
2024-09-30 17:37:06	Giygas	My mom died in 2021, and this was her computer
2024-09-30 17:37:07	eyeoh	I'm betting that performance will be no worse if you enable swap
2024-09-30 17:37:36	eyeoh	I think the theory goes that not everything needs to be in RAM
2024-09-30 17:37:48	eyeoh	and you're better off with the less important things in swap, so RAM can be used for more important things
2024-09-30 17:38:21	Giygas	Will Linux decide in a sane way what goes to Swap and what doesn't?
2024-09-30 17:38:38	eyeoh	that's what my link above suggests
2024-09-30 17:38:44	eyeoh	and linux is smarter than I am
2024-09-30 17:38:56	eyeoh	anecdote: my swap usage went up after I gave my systems more swap
2024-09-30 17:39:07	eyeoh	I changed nothing else (ok, well; apart from adding zram)
2024-09-30 17:39:32	teraflops	I have 32GB of swap and I this machine never ever swap a bit
2024-09-30 17:39:43	eyeoh	I have 16G RAM and 16G swap
2024-09-30 17:39:59	eyeoh	on both laptop and desktop; and both of them increased swap usage from close to zero to a bit more
2024-09-30 17:40:13	eyeoh	RAM usage isn't 100%
2024-09-30 17:41:18	eyeoh	right now with too many firefox tabs/windows to count, archbang install (qemu) and these terminal windows; 7.7G/15.4G RAM, 2G zram, 10M swap
2024-09-30 17:41:47	eyeoh	that 10M used to look like 0.5M at most when I had 4G swap
2024-09-30 17:42:17	eyeoh	if I browse a bit more, it'll climb and memory usage still won't hit 100%; I suspect because linux is smarter than me
2024-09-30 17:42:23	just_me	I have a 4gb chromebook with emmc drive. I can browse quite normally. But I do have to be a little careful.
2024-09-30 17:42:42	eyeoh	just_me: so, mostly one browser window/tab at a time?
2024-09-30 17:43:01	just_me	eyeoh, no, upto 5 or 6 tabs
2024-09-30 17:43:09	Giygas	Can you believe there's an Android app for making bootable flash drives using an iso file, but you either have to watch ads or buy credits to use it?
2024-09-30 17:43:35	eyeoh	where is this app being served?
2024-09-30 17:43:42	just_me	Giygas, have you tried the one from f-droid?
2024-09-30 17:43:45	Giygas	Google Play Store
2024-09-30 17:43:52	eyeoh	oh you mean the app itself has ads
2024-09-30 17:43:57	eyeoh	there's much sketchy stuff there
2024-09-30 17:44:11	just_me	iirc f-droid has one such app
2024-09-30 17:44:12	Giygas	Yeah eyeoh, you have to watch the ad to earn credits to burn an iso
2024-09-30 17:44:35	Giygas	I'll try the one for f-droid if I don't have to subject myself to brainrot ads
2024-09-30 17:44:47	Namarrgon	Why are you doing this on android?
2024-09-30 17:44:58	eyeoh	I have a Dell Inspiron 8600 with 1GB RAM that I basically intend to give away and that thing would be capable of burning ISOs
2024-09-30 17:45:22	eyeoh	no ads
2024-09-30 17:46:05	Giygas	I had to at one point because my shit was fucked Namarrgon
2024-09-30 17:46:13	hseg	Hi. For some reason, a package is failing to pass check() when building in a clean chroot, but passes fine on my system. Any ideas in re perms/network differences that might be relevant?
2024-09-30 17:46:46	Giygas	Also, it's SLOW through a usb-c to USB-A adapter
2024-09-30 17:47:04	just_me	hseg, you can look into the pkgbuild and see what the check() function is doing.
2024-09-30 17:47:15	hseg	just running pytest
2024-09-30 17:47:50	Namarrgon	It could be missing a dependency needed for the test.
2024-09-30 17:48:08	Namarrgon	But you would have to look at thebuild log to be sure...
2024-09-30 17:48:27	hseg	nope -- it's giving FileNotFound errors. This seems to be the relevant function https://0x0.st/XgfK.txt
2024-09-30 17:49:30	hseg	possibly it's getting a different directory structure than it was expecting
2024-09-30 17:53:08	hseg	btw, I'm getting sudo: unable to find terminal name for device 136, 12 in trying to build in the clean chroot
2024-09-30 17:54:32	Namarrgon	Don't you think it would be helpful to post the build log or at least tell us what project you're trying to build?
2024-09-30 17:54:55	randomusr	please recommend an article for configuring google otp with ssh? 
2024-09-30 17:56:45	connstruct	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Google_Authenticator
2024-09-30 17:56:46	phrik	Title: Google Authenticator - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-30 18:00:27	randomusr	Danke
2024-09-30 18:00:35	hseg	Namarrgon: true, sorry. I'm trying to build https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/python-flake8-pyproject
2024-09-30 18:00:38	phrik	Title: AUR (en) - python-flake8-pyproject (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-09-30 18:01:50	hseg	(note: it needs python-pycodestyle 2.12.1 to build -- flake8 7.0 was packaged despite that version of python-pycodestyle not being packaged)
2024-09-30 18:03:13	hseg	I'm regenerating the build log, a moment
2024-09-30 18:04:07	hseg	https://0x0.st/XgfB.bin
2024-09-30 18:05:49	hseg	note all the failures are due to attempts to run flake8 against files it can't find
2024-09-30 18:10:00	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-09-30 18:10:48	Namarrgon	That's a funny "fork".
2024-09-30 18:11:16	silentnoodle	if i get the error `Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (6.7.2) with this library (6.7.3)` what package(s) should i rebuild?
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2024-09-30 18:11:42	Namarrgon	Probably one of your foreign packages.
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2024-09-30 18:16:23	hseg	Namarrgon: wdym, "fork"?
2024-09-30 18:17:03	hseg	All I did was -I the updated python-pycodestyle package I'd built
2024-09-30 18:17:21	Namarrgon	How did you build the chroot?
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2024-09-30 18:20:21	hseg	pkgctl build --inspect always -I python-pycodestyle-....pkg.tar
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2024-09-30 18:20:46	hseg	(I have some tooling to generate that command line, but double-checking, that is what it ends up running)
2024-09-30 18:21:00	hseg	(or to be specific, env -C /home/gesh/aur/9+deps/papis-git/python-flake8-pyproject pkgctl build --inspect always -I /home/gesh/.local/var/cache/pacman/packages/python-pycodestyle-2.12.1-1-any.pkg.tar)
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2024-09-30 18:21:57	just_me	silentnoodle, which ever version more of your packages need? or the one you absolutely need
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2024-09-30 18:23:22	just_me	hseg, did you do the usual mount bind for the rest of the mount points before chrooting in?
2024-09-30 18:23:55	hseg	what? no, just used pkgctl
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2024-09-30 18:24:09	hseg	it should've taken care of all of that itself, no?
2024-09-30 18:24:46	hseg	other than one other package that's been giving me trouble (spotdl), it works fine for all other AUR packages I've tried it on
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2024-09-30 18:27:44	just_me	hseg, ive forgotten most things...But aren't you supposed to do stuff like   mount -o bind /run run/
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2024-09-30 18:28:12	just_me	and  sudo mount -o bind /dev/pts/ /mnt/arch/dev/pts/ & 
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2024-09-30 18:28:51	Namarrgon	If you wanted to set the chroot up manually, sure, but here the tooling already does that.
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2024-09-30 18:29:31	silentnoodle	ok i found it by looking trough my foreign packages, it was gt6gtk2
2024-09-30 18:29:31	rcf	just_me: pkgctl build handles the chroot bit. 
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2024-09-30 18:30:50	just_me	hmm...Then why would the package be behaving different compared to choot?
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2024-09-30 18:31:51	Namarrgon	hseg: It builds fine here
2024-09-30 18:31:58	just_me	could it be the shm thing? python stuff fails because something something shm?
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2024-09-30 18:37:28	hseg	brb
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2024-09-30 18:42:29	hseg	Nope, it still fails to build in a clean chroot here
2024-09-30 18:42:40	hseg	(note! a plain makepkg does work)
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2024-09-30 18:43:21	Giygas_	Dear god
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2024-09-30 18:43:50	hseg	what's also weird is that pkgctl aborts on a failed check here despite being passed --inspect always
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2024-09-30 18:45:35	hseg	also, weirdly am getting sudo: unable to find terminal name for device 136, 7
2024-09-30 18:45:47	just_me	hseg, that's the pts thing
2024-09-30 18:46:06	just_me	something like sudo mount -o bind /dev/pts/ /mnt/arch/dev/pts/  should fix that
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2024-09-30 18:46:55	just_me	You might try doing a manual chroot with all the required steps.
2024-09-30 18:47:11	eyeoh	dev dev/pts proc sys
2024-09-30 18:47:21	eyeoh	and maybe some others too eh; run etc
2024-09-30 18:47:57	just_me	also check out  https://falstaff.agner.ch/2013/10/29/setting-up-schroot-for-python-multiprocessing/
2024-09-30 18:48:04	phrik	Title: Setting up schroot for Python multiprocessing | falstaff - yet another tech blog (at falstaff.agner.ch)
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2024-09-30 18:54:25	hseg	ok, I'll check if I didn't need to set some stuff up myself
2024-09-30 18:54:30	hseg	gtg, thanks!
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2024-09-30 19:17:07	aljustiet	What does different colors of the process name in the htop mean?
2024-09-30 19:17:30	aljustiet	For example the IRC client halloy is in red, firefox is in yellow, and telegram-desktop app is in white.
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2024-09-30 19:21:27	eyeoh	mine appear to be the same colours; is your config a default?
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2024-09-30 19:22:17	teraflops	yeah all green here
2024-09-30 19:22:55	avu	red means the executable used to run the process has been replaced or deleted on disk since the process has started
2024-09-30 19:23:53	arojas	aljustiet: https://man.archlinux.org/man/htop.1#EXE
2024-09-30 19:23:54	phrik	Title: htop(1) — Arch manual pages (at man.archlinux.org)
2024-09-30 19:23:55	avu	I'll refrain from also basically copypasting the description of what yellow means from the htop manpage and leave that as an exercise for the reader :)
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2024-09-30 19:28:14	eyeoh	oo htop 3.3.0 I see now
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2024-09-30 19:36:10	susi	systemd used to be yellow for me
2024-09-30 19:36:18	susi	does it mean I'm haxored :(
2024-09-30 19:36:26	eyeoh	also I had H enabled (hide userland threads)
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2024-09-30 19:36:45	eyeoh	susi: what colour is it now? mine is green?
2024-09-30 19:36:49	susi	that doesn't affect this red/yellow thingie
2024-09-30 19:36:59	eyeoh	are you talking about systemctl status
2024-09-30 19:36:59	susi	I'm not on Arch atm
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2024-09-30 19:37:16	susi	my only working Arch installation is from 2006 :/
2024-09-30 19:37:31	susi	no, I'm talking about systemd in htop
2024-09-30 19:37:49	susi	used to be yellow when I was still an Archer
2024-09-30 19:38:02	mefistofeles	susi: what do you use now? Out of curiosity
2024-09-30 19:38:04	eyeoh	oh the user
2024-09-30 19:38:05	aljustiet	How can I change zram's zstd compression level? For example I can set the btrfs's zstd's compression level. Can I do that the same but for zram?
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2024-09-30 19:39:06	eyeoh	well zramctl man seems to suggest no settings for compression; just algo
2024-09-30 19:39:20	eyeoh	I really don't think it'd make much difference whether you use 1 or 3 or 10 anyway?
2024-09-30 19:39:40	eyeoh	so I tend to think; don't bother?
2024-09-30 19:40:16	susi	mefistofeles: I'm on a Chromebook now, but it's temporary... been almost a year now.... but soon, when I happen to have the resources and energies to build an Arch system again
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2024-09-30 19:40:41	mefistofeles	susi: ah ok, cool, yeah. 
2024-09-30 19:40:51	eyeoh	from searching; not even gentoo people seem to care about compression level for zram https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Zram
2024-09-30 19:40:53	phrik	Title: zram - Gentoo Wiki (at wiki.gentoo.org)
2024-09-30 19:40:58	susi	actually the ultrasuperior battery 'life' (what's the term?) with this Chromebook has kept me with it this long, as I'm very mobile person
2024-09-30 19:41:19	mefistofeles	susi: yeah, is that an ARM one?
2024-09-30 19:41:23	susi	nope
2024-09-30 19:41:33	susi	Celeron N400
2024-09-30 19:41:33	aljustiet	arojes: Thanks for the link. By the way, does that mean that if the executable is replaced, it'll be red, and if the library is replaced, then y
2024-09-30 19:41:35	susi	N4000*
2024-09-30 19:41:44	aljustiet	then yellow?*
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2024-09-30 19:42:27	eyeoh	btw since htop was mentioned; I might as well mention that glances is pretty cool too
2024-09-30 19:42:47	eyeoh	I use all three of top, htop and glances depending on the situation
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2024-09-30 19:45:40	susi	if you grep top's output or similar, there's probably better alternatives... like ps
2024-09-30 19:45:44	aljustiet	Is it okay that it's written python? eyeoh:
2024-09-30 19:45:50	aljustiet	in python*
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2024-09-30 19:46:00	eyeoh	aljustiet: I don't understand your question?
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2024-09-30 19:47:27	eyeoh	there are several ways to set zram up - what have you done so far? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Zram
2024-09-30 19:47:28	phrik	Title: zram - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-09-30 19:48:11	aljustiet	eyeoh: Like htop/top are written in C, and glances is written in Python? And I have the question why not just C?
2024-09-30 19:48:14	aljustiet	eyeoh: Like htop/top are written in C, and glances is written in Python? And I have the question why not just C
2024-09-30 19:48:26	eyeoh	no idea / out of my depth of knowledge there
2024-09-30 19:48:38	eyeoh	does it matter?
2024-09-30 19:48:57	aljustiet	eyeoh: Yeh, because python is slow
2024-09-30 19:49:12	aljustiet	compared to compiled code 
2024-09-30 19:49:19	eyeoh	you don't have to use it if you don't want
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2024-09-30 19:49:30	eyeoh	it's not my tool; but I find it handy at times
2024-09-30 19:49:36	eyeoh	a quick way to show disk I/O for instance
2024-09-30 19:50:15	eyeoh	I mean look at that panel https://nicolargo.github.io/glances/public/images/screenshot-wide.png
2024-09-30 19:50:17	aljustiet	What's the difference between btop and glances?
2024-09-30 19:51:04	eyeoh	btop's lines are fancier
2024-09-30 19:51:18	aljustiet	Have you heard of btop? I found htop/nethogs to be sufficient for my needs thus far.
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2024-09-30 19:51:36	aljustiet	eyeoh: Why then, not just use btop?
2024-09-30 19:51:43	eyeoh	too ugly imo
2024-09-30 19:52:14	eyeoh	I don't like the DOOM style logo either
2024-09-30 19:52:14	aljustiet	You can theme it
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2024-09-30 19:53:11	aljustiet	Like [this](https://i.ibb.co/ZYtVhc6/image.png)
2024-09-30 19:53:31	susi	on my 4G system, I replaced 2,5 G of swap with 1024 M zram and tuned some sysctls... things were even smoother and never noticed a scenario where the previous disk-backed swap thingie would enable me to do something, or would've been smoother than with the new zram-as-swap scenario
2024-09-30 19:53:42	susi	but I think the sysctl tuning was essential there
2024-09-30 19:54:03	eyeoh	nice
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2024-09-30 19:54:28	eyeoh	again though I wonder how you'd do with zram as well as normal swap (not zram swap)
2024-09-30 19:54:48	eyeoh	aljustiet: yeah I still don't like theming
2024-09-30 19:54:50	eyeoh	too much
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2024-09-30 19:55:10	eyeoh	but fine, I'll install it and see
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2024-09-30 19:55:28	eyeoh	maybe I'll end up using top, htop, glances, btop. or not
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2024-09-30 19:56:44	eyeoh	first impressions: I still don't like it but eh it can stay; I have the storage.
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2024-09-30 20:01:52	just_me	btm AKA Bottom is also an option
2024-09-30 20:03:05	eyeoh	lol
2024-09-30 20:03:20	eyeoh	not in the debian repo so no go fo rme
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2024-09-30 20:04:55	eyeoh	alright; archbang test ext4 to btrfs conversion and boot success; time to test on endeavouros
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2024-09-30 20:26:14	topcat001	After a recent update, I have started getting a few benign warnings from wireplumber about "attempting to index a nil value" in a couple of lua scripts. Everything still works fine.
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2024-09-30 20:26:54	topcat001	I haven't changed or added any lua scripts. Unfortunately I'm away from my Arch system rn but can post logs later.
2024-09-30 20:27:23	topcat001	I suspect the config which ships with WP needs to be updated.
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2024-09-30 20:36:45	NGC	Well, id like to thank everyone for yesterday helping me sort out my wifi issues. I greatly appreciate it. Since then there have been only a few random disconnects and that's been minor. Again i really appreciate it
2024-09-30 20:36:49	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
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2024-09-30 20:51:39	topcat001	I find that wpa_supplicant + NetworkManager is sometimes more stable than iwd, especially for older chipsets. I first try iwd, but if I get disconnects/fw crashes, then I switch to NM+wpas and this usually fixes all issues.
2024-09-30 20:52:46	Warepire	They have already left.
2024-09-30 20:53:21	⚡ 	topcat001 slaps themselves
2024-09-30 21:16:38	susi	topcat001: why do you even use iwd backend then?
2024-09-30 21:16:47	susi	in the first place, if you may have to switch it mid-race
2024-09-30 21:17:45	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-09-30 21:18:43	teraflops	iwd NM support is experimental according to the wiki
2024-09-30 21:19:02	teraflops	and they link to a page with lot of issues
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2024-09-30 21:19:56	topcat001	no particular reason really. It's basically a curiosity for me.
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2024-09-30 21:21:27	susi	yeah... me tried it too, can't remember what was the issue but back to the wpa supplicant mese went
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2024-09-30 21:40:33	topcat001	especially for roaming a lot between networks NM works particularly well
2024-09-30 21:41:24	topcat001	although this has nothing to do with wpas
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2024-09-30 22:17:36	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: with the new configuration language for wireplumber the bluetooth file changed of location and from lua to action-json here is the new version in case you are interested https://bepasty.priet.us/kLNrLGfA/+inline
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2024-09-30 22:32:44	bluetail	kode54 thanks
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2024-10-01 00:04:26	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-01 00:03:56	Edu4rdSHL	https://paste.rs/rueCV
2024-10-01 00:04:03	Edu4rdSHL	Im not missing anything no?
2024-10-01 00:04:27	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-01 00:10:44	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, it were the comments :p
2024-10-01 00:11:10	Edu4rdSHL	But now I'm getting: Sep 30 17:10:02 SecHackLabs wireplumber[187091]: pw.conf: unknown match key 'apply_properties'
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2024-10-01 00:13:05	Edu4rdSHL	That part needs to be updated
2024-10-01 00:13:09	Edu4rdSHL	https://pipewire.pages.freedesktop.org/wireplumber/daemon/configuration/migration.html
2024-10-01 00:13:11	phrik	Title: Migrating configuration from 0.4 — WirePlumber 0.5.6 documentation (at pipewire.pages.freedesktop.org)
2024-10-01 00:13:12	teraflops	dafuck I tested it several times, now I get same error, let me fox it
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2024-10-01 00:15:33	Edu4rdSHL	https://paste.rs/tQkB8
2024-10-01 00:15:36	Edu4rdSHL	It works
2024-10-01 00:16:33	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: yeah!
2024-10-01 00:16:37	teraflops	<3
2024-10-01 00:17:18	teraflops	that is mainly for ldac to use hq among other minor things
2024-10-01 00:17:34	Edu4rdSHL	Yep, any app that does stream at 96k?
2024-10-01 00:17:42	Edu4rdSHL	I mean, Chrome only does 48k
2024-10-01 00:17:44	Edu4rdSHL	XD
2024-10-01 00:17:50	Edu4rdSHL	And I have all music services on PWAs
2024-10-01 00:18:02	teraflops	I do flac or dsd
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2024-10-01 00:18:14	teraflops	dsd/dsf
2024-10-01 00:18:47	⚡ 	teraflops uses roon ot mpd
2024-10-01 00:18:52	teraflops	or
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2024-10-01 00:20:43	ToneyFox	Can someone help me figure out what's wrong with Plasma? VLC crashes when I open a video, Kvantum's Dolphin hack doesn't work, trying to open "Application Style" in system settings crashes that and PolyMC doesn't work, instead I need to use the Qt5 version. My installed version of plasma-desktop is 6.1.5-1
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2024-10-01 00:20:52	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: https://bepasty.priet.us/MYtzUzsM/+inline :P
2024-10-01 00:21:24	Edu4rdSHL	Cool
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2024-10-01 17:07:23	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1452 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1451 regular)
2024-10-01 13:47:26	susi	I thought it was your cat
2024-10-01 13:56:52	alad	teraflops: 
2024-10-01 14:05:44	antonispgs	antonispgs
2024-10-01 14:35:03	xx_ns	it looks like imv is no longer being compiled with freeimage support: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/imv/-/commit/5ab84ed7a0a4ec982e0c276e69768a56a7c3de98
2024-10-01 14:35:04	phrik	Title: upgpkg: 4.5.0-4: drop freeimage support (5ab84ed7) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / imv · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-10-01 14:35:19	xx_ns	but i can't seem to find any discussion or reference to why this choice was made
2024-10-01 14:35:32	xx_ns	can someone clue me in? i was wondering why imv is suddenly unable to open ppm files
2024-10-01 14:39:45	Scimmia	xx_ns: https://archlinux.org/todo/drop-freeimage/
2024-10-01 14:39:46	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Todo: Drop freeimage due to lack of maintenance and security problems (at archlinux.org)
2024-10-01 14:39:51	xx_ns	thanks!
2024-10-01 14:41:00	xx_ns	what a shame - i guess i'll compile my own version with freeimage enabled
2024-10-01 14:41:39	xx_ns	my workflow with imv consists only of opening ppm files created by myself, so security isn't an issue for me, but it's understandable why this decision was made
2024-10-01 15:56:37	feinedsquirrel	The other day I received some help here clarifying the process of creating on using a clean chroot after the pacman 7 update. I mentioned I would update the wiki to reflect that creating it in your home directory won't work unless you specifically give the alpm user access. I'm circling back to make that change, but I just found out I don't have edit rights for the "developerwiki" namespace. 
2024-10-01 15:56:43	feinedsquirrel	I'll have to leave it to someone who has edit permissions.
2024-10-01 15:58:56	Erus_Iluvatar	feinedsquirrel: maybe add a topic in the discussion page? it should be open to everyone
2024-10-01 16:07:57	docdrow	Any recommendations for a lightweight Wayland-native image viewer?
2024-10-01 16:10:01	eyeoh	eog?
2024-10-01 16:10:12	dagle	imv if you don't mind gtk
2024-10-01 16:10:29	gromit	feinedsquirrel: is this still the case after https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/arch-install-scripts/-/commit/66f37ab07520d8c11a1a695fedd30d60d32ead3f ? 
2024-10-01 16:10:30	phrik	Title: pacstrap: disable sandbox (66f37ab0) · Commits · Arch Linux / arch-install-scripts · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-10-01 16:10:50	eyeoh	catimg works in cli :p
2024-10-01 16:12:06	susi	i might use swayimg
2024-10-01 16:19:41	ian|	anyone here have any opinions on Quassel (IRC) vs Konversation?
2024-10-01 16:20:35	Erus_Iluvatar	ian|: I don't have opinions _vs_ Konversation, but I've been using Quassel for a few years with minimal complaints
2024-10-01 16:22:07	ian|	i just switched to Konversation because it's Qt6, and I already have Kwin (for KDE deps)
2024-10-01 16:31:31	arseru	hi, my Lenovo T480 seems to be experiencing battery power issues these last couple days (at least that's what it looks like)... I believe once it gets to certain load level, the battery can't handle it and powers off. More things I can say: I have `/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu[0-9]*/cpufreq/scaling_governor` set to `performance`, and it started
2024-10-01 16:31:32	arseru	happening 2 days ago when I had 16GB of RAM, while yesterday I upgraded to 32GB, and is still happening. How can I try to debug what is going on when it suddenly powers off?
2024-10-01 16:31:47	arseru	test
2024-10-01 16:32:04	Erus_Iluvatar	arseru: nothing interesting in the journal?
2024-10-01 16:32:13	glennec13	good evening :)
2024-10-01 16:32:20	Erus_Iluvatar	it's only happening without being plugged in?
2024-10-01 16:34:23	glennec13	anyone faced problems with vagrant when working with virtualbox?
2024-10-01 16:35:28	arseru	Erus_Iluvatar https://bpa.st/4QRRE and indeed, only happening when it's not plugged in; I used to be able to work on it for 3-4h, now 30min-1h the most
2024-10-01 16:35:31	phrik	Title: View paste 4QRRE (at bpa.st)
2024-10-01 16:36:17	Erus_Iluvatar	yeah, the journal just stops abrubtly :/
2024-10-01 16:36:27	HuntsMan	arseru: sounds like the battery just runs out, have you tried powertop to see power usage? Also performance mode is not meant to be used on battery
2024-10-01 16:38:31	arseru	HuntsMan that do you suggest I change it to? I've read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/CPU_frequency_scaling#Scaling_governors before, but I don't know why I had written down that my only 2 available options were powersave and performance
2024-10-01 16:38:32	phrik	Title: CPU frequency scaling - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-01 16:38:42	arseru	I haven't tried powertop, I'll do it now
2024-10-01 16:38:48	Erus_Iluvatar	arseru: what does `upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1` spit?
2024-10-01 16:39:12	Erus_Iluvatar	replace BAT1 if needed according to the output of `upower -e`
2024-10-01 16:39:45	arseru	Erus_Iluvatar https://bpa.st/GMIF4
2024-10-01 16:39:49	phrik	Title: View paste GMIF4 (at bpa.st)
2024-10-01 16:40:31	HuntsMan	arseru: powersave is for battery use
2024-10-01 16:40:46	Erus_Iluvatar	Hmm, 70% of life left, should not be dying so quick :/
2024-10-01 16:41:21	HuntsMan	well its using 23 W, very high, no wonder battery runs out quickly
2024-10-01 16:42:22	HuntsMan	basically, you are using too much energy
2024-10-01 16:43:01	Erus_Iluvatar	fixing consumption will help, but there should not be an abrubt shutdown with a healthy battery
2024-10-01 16:43:11	jelle	aaah you set a charge threshold
2024-10-01 16:43:26	HuntsMan	Erus_Iluvatar: from the previous log, seems the battery runs out
2024-10-01 16:43:54	Erus_Iluvatar	HuntsMan: duh, you're right
2024-10-01 16:44:18	Erus_Iluvatar	5 seconds between low and critical is still abnormal though
2024-10-01 16:44:29	glennec13	https://github.com/hashicorp/vagrant/issues/13501 just found out this if someone is having a bad time trying to use vagrant with vbox :)
2024-10-01 16:44:32	phrik	Title: Recent version of Virtualbox 7.1.0 is not supported by vagrant 2.4.1 · Issue #13501 · hashicorp/vagrant · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-10-01 16:44:32	arseru	HuntsMan that's what I first thought when I increased the RAM, but as it was happening also before, I'm wondering what triggered it and why hasn't it happened before
2024-10-01 16:44:45	HuntsMan	arseru: probably changed the governor to performance
2024-10-01 16:44:55	HuntsMan	from powersave
2024-10-01 16:45:20	arseru	I changed that myself when I got the laptop because I couldn't handle google meets without that setting, so it's been like this for more than a year
2024-10-01 16:45:35	demonicmaniac1	that's not true. performance/powersave/ondemand on modern intel hardware do not disable powersaving or core parking
2024-10-01 16:45:52	demonicmaniac1	those governor settings with hwp especially are not in any way similar to windows energy policies
2024-10-01 16:45:52	HuntsMan	maybe other component is using more energy than before
2024-10-01 16:46:12	HuntsMan	demonicmaniac1: sure, depends on the laptop and generation, I talk generally here
2024-10-01 16:46:35	arseru	jelle I like what you saw, what does charge-start-threshold and  charge-end-threshold mean?
2024-10-01 16:46:53	jelle	arseru: you only charge till 80% and start charging when it goes under 75%
2024-10-01 16:47:01	demonicmaniac1	arseru: under what battery charge level it starts charging when on battery up to which point it will charge
2024-10-01 16:47:50	arseru	I don't remember doing any of that, could that be set automatically?
2024-10-01 16:48:05	jelle	nope
2024-10-01 16:48:17	jelle	well in theory in bios but eh
2024-10-01 16:48:25	demonicmaniac1	if it suddenly dies it and goes critical and drops from like 30 to 5% that sounds to me more like a potential issue with the internal battery
2024-10-01 16:48:47	demonicmaniac1	t480 can have internal + external battery, might be either of them is effed or handover from one to the other is effed
2024-10-01 16:49:25	demonicmaniac1	battery info on last full and cycles might be interesting
2024-10-01 16:49:54	arseru	that also reminds me of another thing that might help with this: when reading yesterday https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Lenovo+ThinkPad+T480+RAM+Replacement/139943 (Step 6), I realized I didn't have a battery there, just a piece of plastic filled with metal, and no battery socket connector whatsoever
2024-10-01 16:49:55	phrik	Title: Lenovo ThinkPad T480 RAM Replacement - iFixit Repair Guide (at www.ifixit.com)
2024-10-01 16:50:02	Erus_Iluvatar	Hmm, a calibration issue if the battery has not seen a full discharge is also possible
2024-10-01 16:50:21	jelle	is this a thinkpad?
2024-10-01 16:50:22	demonicmaniac1	arseru: it was optional
2024-10-01 16:50:30	jelle	you can re-calibrate it on linux :-)
2024-10-01 16:50:33	Erus_Iluvatar	jelle: yes, he said T480
2024-10-01 16:50:34	demonicmaniac1	so you just have an sku that didn'g have it from the factory
2024-10-01 16:51:00	Erus_Iluvatar	IIRC we have a page about battery charge limits on the wiki somewhere
2024-10-01 16:51:03	demonicmaniac1	that rules out the internal problem then at least. you can force discharge it from linux
2024-10-01 16:51:15	arseru	jelle is that on the AW?
2024-10-01 16:52:32	demonicmaniac1	arseru: pastebin /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/energy*
2024-10-01 16:52:55	dzhi	anyone ever ran Arch on a Macbook Pro?
2024-10-01 16:53:11	arseru	demonicmaniac1 https://bpa.st/KNLN4
2024-10-01 16:53:14	phrik	Title: View paste KNLN4 (at bpa.st)
2024-10-01 16:53:15	arseru	dzhi me
2024-10-01 16:53:29	dzhi	arseru, do tell the experience please..
2024-10-01 16:53:50	arseru	dzhi it's a MacBook Pro, 13-inch, Late 2011, still works very smoothly
2024-10-01 16:54:06	dzhi	arseru, what's the wifi/graphics situation?
2024-10-01 16:54:25	arseru	dzhi all good for the usage I give it
2024-10-01 16:54:40	dzhi	arseru, is there a way to revert back to MacOS?
2024-10-01 16:54:55	Erus_Iluvatar	arseru: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Tp_smapi#3rd_option,_in_kernel I knew it was documented somewhere
2024-10-01 16:54:56	phrik	Title: tp_smapi - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-01 16:55:29	arseru	dzhi I have dual boot with http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind
2024-10-01 16:55:31	phrik	Title: The rEFInd Boot Manager (at www.rodsbooks.com)
2024-10-01 16:55:48	demonicmaniac1	arseru: that means your last full load was 70% of the design capacity and currently you're on about 25% charge level
2024-10-01 16:55:56	demonicmaniac1	arseru: is that also what's reported now by capacity?
2024-10-01 16:56:04	arseru	Erus_Iluvatar thanks!
2024-10-01 16:56:26	jelle	Erus_Iluvatar: pls just use the kernel :P
2024-10-01 16:56:30	dzhi	arseru, may I PM perhaps?
2024-10-01 16:56:37	arseru	demonicmaniac1 percentage is now at 43%, capacity is 70.6737%
2024-10-01 16:56:38	jelle	not tcapi-bat
2024-10-01 16:56:44	jelle	ah linked kernel script :)
2024-10-01 16:56:49	Erus_Iluvatar	jelle: the linked section uses the kernel ;)
2024-10-01 16:57:01	Erus_Iluvatar	the page needs to be reshaped /o<_
2024-10-01 16:57:02	arseru	dzhi go ahead
2024-10-01 16:57:05	Erus_Iluvatar	*/o\
2024-10-01 16:57:41	demonicmaniac1	arseru: ah i guess the percentage they already calculate based on capacity remaining of design, 13x being 40%ish of 33x was calculating with the 47x
2024-10-01 16:58:23	demonicmaniac1	anywho old batteries when they already lost a lot of capacity it's not unheard of that they can't maintain voltage under sudden load spikes
2024-10-01 16:58:56	arseru	so maybe that's all a coincidence and it's just the battery that's dying at the same time I upgraded RAM
2024-10-01 16:59:07	demonicmaniac1	force discharge it and charge it to 100%, see if it goes above 30
2024-10-01 16:59:11	jelle	you can also try to drop the limits
2024-10-01 16:59:31	jelle	you can force discharge with 'full-discharge' to /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_behaviour
2024-10-01 16:59:34	demonicmaniac1	thinkpads also have a selftest in efi
2024-10-01 17:00:01	demonicmaniac1	if you interrupt normal startup you can select to go into self test and run extended long selftest that does test battery as well as memory etcpp
2024-10-01 17:00:41	arseru	okay I'll write everything down in order of stuff to try, and you can help me decide if the order is right :) 
2024-10-01 17:00:56	jelle	best order is a new order
2024-10-01 17:01:18	demonicmaniac1	i mean if it only happens on battery and you've run it on ac for a while without issues it's definitely the battery
2024-10-01 17:01:30	demonicmaniac1	you've not mentioned yet if you ran it extensively on ac without issues
2024-10-01 17:02:14	arseru	yes it runs fine with ac, never shutting down
2024-10-01 17:02:16	arseru	never surrender
2024-10-01 17:03:06	arseru	so maybe item number 1 and most efficient would be "buy new battery, you cheap ol' bastard"?
2024-10-01 17:03:12	demonicmaniac1	was it one ram stick before of 16gb and you added a second or from 2x8 to 2x16?
2024-10-01 17:03:55	arseru	2x16 from a previous state of 1x16
2024-10-01 17:04:44	demonicmaniac1	hmhm. that makes some sense then in terms of dual channel causing more load on the battery especially because multithreaded/igpu gets more bandwidth and isn't throttled
2024-10-01 17:05:04	demonicmaniac1	so effectively anything using igp and multicore will boost higher since it isn't memory bandwidth starved
2024-10-01 17:05:31	HuntsMan	arseru: did you see the numbers in powertop?
2024-10-01 17:05:42	arseru	but it started suddenly shutting down also before upgrading ram
2024-10-01 17:06:15	demonicmaniac1	ah well then battery was probably on its way out already and it's just exacerbating the problem
2024-10-01 17:06:22	arseru	HuntsMan I did open a terminal with sudo powertop, but no idea what to look for yet
2024-10-01 17:07:24	demonicmaniac1	does cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_stop_threshold show anything? and charge_start_threshold
2024-10-01 17:07:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-10-01 17:07:41	arseru	you all keep saying BAT0 but I only have BAT1, I hope that's fine D:
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2024-10-01 17:07:55	demonicmaniac1	yeah that's due to the optional internal 
2024-10-01 17:07:59	demonicmaniac1	it's fine
2024-10-01 17:08:06	demonicmaniac1	i just tab complete so i get bat0 :P
2024-10-01 17:08:11	arseru	demonicmaniac1 start shows 0, stop shows 100
2024-10-01 17:08:20	HuntsMan	arseru: in the first tab it should show power usage in watts, but only if you run it under battery, you should report that number here
2024-10-01 17:08:20	demonicmaniac1	jelle: no limits set heh
2024-10-01 17:08:24	HuntsMan	arseru: under normal usage
2024-10-01 17:08:40	jelle	demonicmaniac1: hmmm my code broken? nowai :o
2024-10-01 17:08:58	jelle	oh hmmm
2024-10-01 17:09:33	jelle	right
2024-10-01 17:09:47	demonicmaniac1	arseru: 99% sure the battery is just on its way out. there's a slight chance it might be just a connector being dirty and not reading correctly but yeah don't be cheap buy new battery :)
2024-10-01 17:10:20	HuntsMan	I think its just using too much power
2024-10-01 17:10:30	HuntsMan	an 8th gen Intel CPU is not power efficient
2024-10-01 17:10:35	arseru	I just unplugged it for a little bit, worked on it, and outputted this https://bpa.st/QJYRM
2024-10-01 17:10:39	phrik	Title: View paste QJYRM (at bpa.st)
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2024-10-01 17:11:25	HuntsMan	arseru: its using 15W of power, so around 1 hr of battery life left
2024-10-01 17:11:37	arseru	indeed
2024-10-01 17:11:52	HuntsMan	15W / 17.57 Wh ~ 1.2 hrs
2024-10-01 17:11:52	arseru	but then it's not actually an hour, it's more like 10min from previous experiences
2024-10-01 17:12:16	HuntsMan	arseru: you should monitor the battery usage, in % and Wh
2024-10-01 17:12:37	HuntsMan	and how much power is being used (the energy-rate field)
2024-10-01 17:12:41	arseru	is there a way to monitor it automatically while I work?
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2024-10-01 17:12:59	HuntsMan	your DE should have some icon on the system tray that shows battery %
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2024-10-01 17:17:11	demonicmaniac1	arseru: arseru: watch -t -n 30 "(cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/capacity) | tee -a energylog" for example to log every 30s to terminal and to a logfile appended
2024-10-01 17:17:22	demonicmaniac1	oops double highlight brainfart
2024-10-01 17:17:33	arseru	I feel special now
2024-10-01 17:17:50	arseru	thanks for the one-liner demonicmaniac1 !
2024-10-01 17:17:51	HuntsMan	arseru: /var/lib/upower/history-charge + battery name will have some history data
2024-10-01 17:17:59	HuntsMan	its a text file
2024-10-01 17:17:16	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-01 17:17:28	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-01 17:18:28	arseru	it's soooo weird, I had the battery at 52% just 8min ago, and now it's showing 100%
2024-10-01 17:19:05	HuntsMan	arseru: show the upower log
2024-10-01 17:19:30	Edu4rdSHL	Uh, can anyone else confirm if using `mtr -c 10 -r archlinux.org (or any other host)` gives you a coredump?
2024-10-01 17:19:41	arseru	Erus_Iluvatar & jelle you mentioned before that it might be a calibration issue and to force a full discharge on it - would you care to elaborate what are the steps to follow here?
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2024-10-01 17:21:09	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: https://bepasty.priet.us/N3qGMzLi/+inline
2024-10-01 17:21:20	Erus_Iluvatar	arseru: keep laptop on until it dies, then recharge it up to 100%
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2024-10-01 17:21:29	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, D:
2024-10-01 17:22:01	Erus_Iluvatar	you may need to keep it turned on in the UEFI if it's being stubborn and shuts off early
2024-10-01 17:22:15	ℹ 	vulpine es conocido ahora como ghoulpine
2024-10-01 17:23:35	arseru	Erus_Iluvatar but I have no way to check when it reaches 100% if it's turned off, but I guess you mean just leaving it there for a while
2024-10-01 17:24:00	HuntsMan	arseru: it does not have indicator lights for charging?
2024-10-01 17:24:12	Erus_Iluvatar	the painful part is being sure it's fully drained, having it charging at 100% at staying there is not an issue
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2024-10-01 17:28:43	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: we are on testing, let me check on a non-testing arch box
2024-10-01 17:28:50	Edu4rdSHL	arseru, full discharging is as easy as leaving it until it powers off for a first time, then power it on, let the logo appear (if it does), power off on boot selection or something when nothing has started, repeat until it doesnt do anything when trying to power on. You can even leave it rest a while and repeat the same steps in case it gains some battery in the meantime (but that usually means
2024-10-01 17:28:52	Edu4rdSHL	a broken battery)
2024-10-01 17:29:05	feinedsquirrel	gromit: (sorry for the delay) I'm not sure, I hadn't tried disabling the sandbox. On the lts kernel I was getting a warning the sandbox was not supported, but it would create the chroot when not in the home directory. On both linux and linux-lts, attempting to create a chroot in the homne directory without making the chroot dir owned by alpm would fail.
2024-10-01 17:29:08	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, I'm not on testing since Gnome 47 hit stable :p
2024-10-01 17:29:16	teraflops	ohhh
2024-10-01 17:29:36	Edu4rdSHL	I'm all Gnome unstable + testing or just stable 
2024-10-01 17:29:38	Edu4rdSHL	XD
2024-10-01 17:29:43	teraflops	hehe
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2024-10-01 17:30:02	teraflops	I'm still on testing
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2024-10-01 17:30:54	glennec13	somebody knows if its possible to get the output of my headset (usb stick mode connection) battery throught any command on arch?
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2024-10-01 17:31:11	glennec13	its a logitech g435
2024-10-01 17:31:19	feinedsquirrel	Erus_Iluvatar: good idea, should I add to the bottom or the top? seems people have done both, and there isn't a flow by date top to bottom, in the discussion page
2024-10-01 17:31:43	Erus_Iluvatar	feinedsquirrel: bottom
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2024-10-01 17:32:21	arseru	HuntsMan ah indeed, I guess the orange/white light will be enough to know when it's at a 100% charge
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2024-10-01 17:32:43	teraflops	glennec13: what do you mean by usb stick mode? no bluetooth?
2024-10-01 17:33:10	glennec13	teraflops: no bluetooth yes
2024-10-01 17:33:52	glennec13	so when i do a "upower -d" says 0% battery cause i guess is taking the usb stick instead of the headset battery lmao
2024-10-01 17:34:08	feinedsquirrel	Erus_Iluvatar: ah, yep, I'm reading the talk page guidelines now. Will finish reading that before asking more dumb questions
2024-10-01 17:34:09	teraflops	and the usb stick is kind of a wireless keyboard one?
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2024-10-01 17:34:35	glennec13	teraflops: yes like that
2024-10-01 17:34:38	Erus_Iluvatar	feinedsquirrel: np :)
2024-10-01 17:34:58	arseru	Edu4rdSHL thanks for the tips :)
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2024-10-01 17:36:37	teraflops	glennec13: give a try to aur/headsetkontrol
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2024-10-01 17:37:34	teraflops	if not try upower --dump and inspect the output
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2024-10-01 17:38:45	glennec13	teraflops: ty i'll take a look buddy :p
2024-10-01 17:39:48	teraflops	glennec13: sorry typo: aur/headsetcontrol with c not k
2024-10-01 17:40:15	teraflops	Sidetone and Battery status for Logitech G930, G533, G633, G933 SteelSeries Arctis 7/PRO 2019 and Corsair VOID (Pro) in Linux and MacOSX
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2024-10-01 17:41:04	glennec13	teraflops: i was so close to start installing the "k" one hahah
2024-10-01 17:41:13	teraflops	sorry mate
2024-10-01 17:42:16	teraflops	once installed exec 
2024-10-01 17:42:18	teraflops	headsetcontrol -b
2024-10-01 17:42:26	teraflops	sorry for the 2 lines
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2024-10-01 17:43:07	demonicmaniac1	arseru: HuntsMan: Erus_Iluvatar: was mentioned by jelle before - force-discharge to /sys/class/power_supply/BAT?/charge_behaviour
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2024-10-01 17:43:10	vevais	Oy
2024-10-01 17:43:17	demonicmaniac1	that will drain the battery to 0 even if it is connected to ac
2024-10-01 17:43:21	jelle	yup
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2024-10-01 17:44:04	demonicmaniac1	really nice that it's all in kernel now and no more tpacpi-bat
2024-10-01 17:44:43	jelle	yup, just needs a frontend
2024-10-01 17:45:47	demonicmaniac1	all the laptops that do have /sys/devices/platform/smapi are not supported by arch anymore heh :D
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2024-10-01 17:46:12	demonicmaniac1	i think the t61 is my only thinkpad still supported by archlinux and having /proc/acpi/ibm/battery
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2024-10-01 17:46:50	Erus_Iluvatar	neat
2024-10-01 17:47:00	feinedsquirrel	Erus_Iluvatar: ok, done, if inclined, let me know how it looks/comes across.
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2024-10-01 17:48:24	Erus_Iluvatar	reads OK to me :)
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2024-10-01 17:56:46	HuntsMan	arseru: btw it might be obvious, but modern laptops are much more power efficient, specially AMD ones, I have a Lenovo Yoga that easily reaches 8-10 hrs of battery life, processor idles at 2 watts
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2024-10-01 18:08:26	stewi	Does anyone have mnemonics/ideas to help remember pacman usage. I.e. right now I find myself on my bi-monthly search for the 'list files in local package' command.
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2024-10-01 18:09:20	Jupelius	pacman -h
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2024-10-01 18:12:17	Edu4rdSHL	stewi, in case you're familiar with other package managers there's https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Rosetta
2024-10-01 18:12:18	phrik	Title: pacman/Rosetta - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-10-01 18:34:05	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-01 18:34:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-01 18:47:08	feinedsquirrel	Erus_Iluvatar: cool, thanks for the guidance on that
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2024-10-01 18:49:30	Erus_Iluvatar	always a pleasure to be able to help :)
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2024-10-01 18:54:53	arseru	demonicmaniac1 I think jelle mentioned full-discharge, not force-discharge? I already have the latter in /sys/class/power_supply/BAT?/charge_behaviour
2024-10-01 18:56:29	arseru	but anyways, did you mean running echo full-discharge > /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/charge_behaviour?
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2024-10-01 18:58:24	demonicmaniac1	arseru: if you cat it it just lists all that exists. for me it is force-discharge on my l14 and yes echoing it in there
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2024-10-01 18:59:35	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-01 18:59:48	jelle	o.o
2024-10-01 19:00:12	arseru	thanks, I've written down all that you mentioned today for me to try, I'll be back in a few hours/days once I have tried everything, thank you all :D
2024-10-01 18:59:36	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-01 18:59:48	jelle	o.o
2024-10-01 19:00:12	arseru	thanks, I've written down all that you mentioned today for me to try, I'll be back in a few hours/days once I have tried everything, thank you all :D
2024-10-01 18:59:52	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-10-01 19:00:08	arseru	ah, it's force-discharge for me as well then :)
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2024-10-01 19:26:22	ℹ 	comruminoAlt es conocido ahora como comrumino
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2024-10-01 19:36:07	shalok	How to do scale up keepass2 on hi-dpi displays? For mono applications, the wiki suggests GDK_SCALE and Xft.dpi but I already tried these to no avail.
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2024-10-01 19:57:07	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-01 19:57:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-01 20:06:17	susi	shalok: well, it should work... so what have you tried exactly
2024-10-01 20:06:26	susi	and how it shows 
2024-10-01 20:06:40	susi	displays*
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2024-10-01 20:10:39	Edu4rdSHL	He doesn't use ArchLinux (some Arch-based, stated several times), so maybe some distro setting
2024-10-01 20:12:11	ℹ 	nmy es conocido ahora como nomasteryoda
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2024-10-01 20:13:04	nomasteryoda	speaking of displays ... My HP Spectre x360 2019 model - finally supports my HP DisplayLink USB-C here in ArchLinux!! So happy!
2024-10-01 20:13:19	susi	Arch Linux*
2024-10-01 20:13:20	nomasteryoda	2011 arch installation
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2024-10-01 20:32:46	randomusr	Feeling a bit lost. Running arch as a guest inside a VirtualBox VM on Kernel 6.6.52 with Kwin and wayland. My system stops responding a few minutes after login. The VB client is on 7.1 and the Host machine has Vbix extensions installed and the Arch guest has guest addtions installed. 
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2024-10-01 20:33:10	randomusr	Checking over the logs now, but having a time trying to identify the root cause.
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2024-10-01 20:43:34	nomasteryoda	try running virtualbox via terminal - see if something appears there
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2024-10-01 21:03:33	dirty	my Arch system became unusable just recently on a system update. I try to install the linux image using my normal dracut hooks and I ran into "Can't load key from file '/usr/share/secureboot/keys/db/db.key'" the forums aren't yielding anything useful
2024-10-01 21:03:52	dirty	has anyone else ran into this?
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2024-10-01 21:05:08	dirty	dracut[F]: *** Creating signed UEFI image file '/boot/efi/EFI/BOOT/bootx64.efi' failed ***
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2024-10-01 21:14:27	Furai	Are any people reporting any issues with latest nvidia update on gnome? I'm seeing extra display in gnome settings.
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2024-10-01 21:16:39	astralc	dirty: are you using sbctl?
2024-10-01 21:16:12	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-10-01 21:16:14	dirty	astralc: thanks for replying. Yes
2024-10-01 21:17:01	gromit	Furai: which kernel are you using?
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2024-10-01 21:19:31	gromit	Furai: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/linux/-/issues/80
2024-10-01 21:19:33	phrik	Title: Nvidia driver and linux 6.11 phantom monitor (#80) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / linux · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-10-01 21:19:37	astralc	there was change in where the keys are stored, now in /var/lib/sbctl/keys (there is migrate message if you still had it in old location)
2024-10-01 21:19:42	ptr1337	Furai This is likely coming from the 6.11 Kernel, patch is porposed but not merged yet in -next
2024-10-01 21:19:52	astralc	so maybe your config/script need adjust
2024-10-01 21:19:58	ptr1337	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/linux/-/issues/83
2024-10-01 21:20:00	phrik	Title: Backport fix for 6.11/6.10 regression. Phantom simple-framebuffer card on i915 (#83) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / linux · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-10-01 21:23:06	dirty	astralc: I don't see where the previous keys would have been called in my existing scripts, I'm looking
2024-10-01 21:23:52	susi	don't you at least set the location in dracut conf?
2024-10-01 21:24:19	Foxboron	dirty: did you run sbctl setup --migrate?
2024-10-01 21:28:01	dirty	Foxboron: I appreciate your comment. Output is "sbctl has already been migrated!"
2024-10-01 21:28:13	Foxboron	dirty: then you ran it, and didn't change your dracut config
2024-10-01 21:28:54	dirty	Foxboron: again, I don't see where my keys would have been called in my dracut config, I'm still looking
2024-10-01 21:29:49	Foxboron	dirty: kernel_install?
2024-10-01 21:30:51	porta	Hey guys, you think im able to get some quick help here? I Thought this was the best place to ask, i've just tried upgrading my System (pacman -Syu) and the core/linux updates to 6.11.1.arch1-1 from 6.10.10.arch1-1 and no it runs like 80 times slower. Rolling back to 6.10.10 using pacman -U with the cache file seems to fix it, any advice?
2024-10-01 21:31:06	dirty	kernel_cmdline="rd.luks.uuid=luks-YOUR_UUID rd.lvm.lv=vg/root root=/dev/mapper/vg-root rootfstype=ext4 rootflags=rw,relatime"
2024-10-01 21:31:26	dirty	Foxboron: that's the closest I've got in my script
2024-10-01 21:31:34	Foxboron	dirty: I don't know what "my script" means
2024-10-01 21:31:47	Foxboron	Please post the complete output of whatever is calling dracut
2024-10-01 21:31:52	Foxboron	!paste
2024-10-01 21:31:52	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-10-01 21:32:20	dirty	Foxboron: /etc/dracut.conf.d/cmdline.conf
2024-10-01 21:34:46	gromit	porta: what hardware are you on? 
2024-10-01 21:36:12	porta	gromit: RTX 2060, this is basically a minimal system with hyprdots, it was working fine before, hell i could play helldivers 2 just fine at 60 fps. After my syu, i noticed 4 packages standing out: nvidia-dkms, nvidia-utils, core/linux, core/linux-headers. I Tested them all one by one, and i can only narrow it down to linux or linux-headers.
2024-10-01 21:38:51	astralc	dirty: do you have "uefi_secureboot_cert" anywhere in your config?
2024-10-01 21:41:44	porta	gromit: I Should add before i forget, theres a LOT Of screen tearing now, like, really bad screentearing, just trying to open a terminal looks like im trying to record in 4 pixels.
2024-10-01 21:42:22	dirty	astralc and Foxboron: I want to thank you both for helping me sniff this out. My problem was under /etc/dracut.conf.d/secureboot.conf . I replaced the path from /usr/share/secureboot/keys/db/db.pem and /usr/share/secureboot/keys/db/db.key with /var/lib/sbctl/keys/db/db.pem and /var/lib/sbctl/keys/db/db.key respectively
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2024-10-01 21:47:26	gromit	porta: hmm thats weird, do you have any intersting in "cat /proc/cmdline" ? 
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2024-10-01 21:48:50	porta	gromit: I've since downgraded to 6.10.10 since, 6.11 is almost unuseable at like, 5 fps, but here: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-linux root=UUID=7f583528-51d3-47ec-a991-a2bc0c815c8d rw zswap.enabled=0 rootfstype=ext4 loglevel=3 quiet nvidia_drm.modeset=1
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2024-10-01 21:49:29	gromit	porta: did you try without modesetting? 
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2024-10-01 21:50:32	porta	gromit: Not really, i could barely open a terminal, keyboard inputs were super delayed
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2024-10-01 21:53:18	porta	gromit: Plus, i dont think it's the nvidia-dkms package, i updated that one to the latest version and it still runs fine on 6.10.10
2024-10-01 21:53:49	ptr1337	porta Do you get this blackscreen with the underscore?
2024-10-01 21:54:33	ptr1337	Yeah, its unlikely the nvidia-dkms package. My guess is due simplefb, which was in the past normally skipped with https://github.com/archlinux/linux/commit/c35760e16edd023d84d3407e5bfc6e78a9411924 , but this patch has been removed since the 6.11 cycle
2024-10-01 21:54:35	phrik	Title: drivers/firmware: skip simpledrm if nvidia-drm.modeset=1 is set · archlinux/linux@c35760e · GitHub (at github.com)
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2024-10-01 21:55:15	porta	phrik: If i disable the modeset though, wont i lose out my nvidia support?
2024-10-01 21:55:16	phrik	porta: Eh?
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2024-10-01 21:55:32	porta	ptr1337: ALso what do you mean blackscreen with the underscore?
2024-10-01 21:55:47	ptr1337	Like, when you login to kde/gnome
2024-10-01 21:56:17	ptr1337	Anyways, im compiling right now a kernel with above mentioned patchset, would be cool if you can test it together with the latest nvidia-dkms pkg
2024-10-01 21:56:25	porta	Oh well, i'm using hyprland, my perspective is: GRUB -> Boots to SDDM, logs in fine, but then just, super slow to input
2024-10-01 21:56:39	porta	ptr1337: Yeah when your done i can test it out if you want, i got time
2024-10-01 21:56:40	ptr1337	Is this a laptop?
2024-10-01 21:56:49	porta	Gaming PC
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2024-10-01 21:57:09	ptr1337	I see, if tested it on my 4070 Super and dont see issues. Currently booted in
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2024-10-01 22:01:14	porta	im tired as hell though, its 6 am, haven't slept in ages
2024-10-01 22:01:14	ptr1337	Compilation is done in 2-3 mins. Currently generating  docs :)
2024-10-01 22:01:14	porta	wheres some monster when you need some
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2024-10-01 22:06:11	ptr1337	porta sudo pacman -U https://pkgbuild.com/~ptr1337/kernel-testing/simplefb-skip/linux-6.11.1.arch1-2-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst https://pkgbuild.com/~ptr1337/kernel-testing/simplefb-skip/linux-headers-6.11.1.arch1-2-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
2024-10-01 22:06:29	ptr1337	PKGBUILD and used patch is too in that directory, in case
2024-10-01 22:07:29	porta	Downloading now
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2024-10-01 22:07:57	porta	And installing
2024-10-01 22:08:13	porta	why does dkms take so long to install xd
2024-10-01 22:08:22	ptr1337	:D 
2024-10-01 22:08:31	ptr1337	You need better cpu seems like :P
2024-10-01 22:08:44	porta	i got a pretty beefy cpu....how do i check again
2024-10-01 22:09:41	porta	alr command finished
2024-10-01 22:09:45	ptr1337	Alright, good luck
2024-10-01 22:09:50	porta	time to reboot, wish me luck.
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2024-10-01 22:12:23	porta	It works!
2024-10-01 22:12:27	ptr1337	🥳
2024-10-01 22:12:41	porta	No stuttering, works just as before.
2024-10-01 22:13:28	porta	Thanks for the help man, i was worried i wouldn't be able to update.
2024-10-01 22:16:07	porta	I'm going to try to get some sleep now, tired as hell. See ya all later, and again thanks for the help.
2024-10-01 22:16:52	ptr1337	Thank for testing and providing info :)
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2024-10-01 22:37:32	wyre	hi guys, I don't have this default network in libvirt 🤔 https://jamielinux.com/docs/libvirt-networking-handbook/nat-based-network.html#configure-the-default-network
2024-10-01 22:37:33	phrik	Title: NAT-based network — libvirt Networking Handbook — Jamie Nguyen (at jamielinux.com)
2024-10-01 22:37:38	wyre	why is this? 🤔
2024-10-01 22:38:20	wyre	oh, I can see I should create it 😆
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2024-10-01 22:39:38	teraflops	wyre: tried `sudo virsh net-start default` ?
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2024-10-01 22:42:05	wyre	teraflops, when I use virsh with sudo it doesn't work ... https://bpa.st/UYA7I
2024-10-01 22:42:28	wyre	https://bpa.st/5NSCQ
2024-10-01 22:42:32	phrik	Title: View paste 5NSCQ (at bpa.st)
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2024-10-01 22:49:35	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-01 23:03:01	gehidore	wyre are you trying to start user or system networking?
2024-10-01 23:03:24	gehidore	and is libvirtd running?
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2024-10-01 23:03:37	wyre	gehidore, hmm, apparently virsh has a default network defined but for root
2024-10-01 23:03:50	wyre	it's like in my user space there is no defined networks
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2024-10-01 23:04:09	gehidore	do you really want to use a userspace machine?
2024-10-01 23:04:09	wyre	and I cannot start them ... because it requires privilege elevation 🤔
2024-10-01 23:04:28	wyre	gehidore, I'd say gnome-boxes creates them in the user space
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2024-10-01 23:20:02	toys	am wondering what virtualbox does that allows you to create a bridge without it showing up in ip a or requiring sudo
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2024-10-01 23:31:23	gehidore	I use it in the system scope so Im' not sure, probably group related permissions
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2024-10-01 23:36:28	wyre	gehidore, that's what I though but I added my user to libvirt group and I can see it in groups output 
2024-10-01 23:36:42	wyre	but still I'm not able to start the network in the user scope 🤔
2024-10-01 23:36:50	gehidore	did you create the network in the user scope?
2024-10-01 23:36:57	gehidore	or are you able to do such a thing I wonder?
2024-10-01 23:36:57	wyre	gehidore, sure
2024-10-01 23:37:15	gehidore	see now you've got me curious
2024-10-01 23:37:18	wyre	well, to define it at least
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2024-10-01 23:37:25	wyre	but not to start it
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2024-10-01 23:45:44	wyre	gehidore, do you use virsh as sudo? 🤔
2024-10-01 23:47:11	teraflops	wyre the wiki says to add your user to wheel group too and to reboot the machine so polkit can work properly
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2024-10-01 23:47:41	wyre	my user was already in the wheel group 🤔
2024-10-01 23:47:47	gehidore	wyre no I use it with uri of qemu://system
2024-10-01 23:48:13	wyre	teraflops, and polkit does work properly for other uses
2024-10-01 23:48:22	gehidore	I can't seem to find *anything* indicating that libvirt supports user level network configuration
2024-10-01 23:48:30	teraflops	 A system reboot may be required before authenticating with polkit works correctly.
2024-10-01 23:49:54	teraflops	wyre are yo following the wiki'
2024-10-01 23:49:57	teraflops	?
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2024-10-01 23:50:39	teraflops	do you have /etc/polkit-1/rules.d/50-libvirt.rules ?
2024-10-01 23:52:26	teraflops	or if you followed the adding yourself to libvirt group, did you start a new shell?
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2024-10-01 23:57:25	ℹ 	weeb es conocido ahora como vimicito
2024-10-01 23:57:31	violetjewel	pacman -S luakit && luakit # error? just me?
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2024-10-01 23:58:35	violetjewel	impressively aur/luakit-git = same ... very strange error, too
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2024-10-01 23:59:18	Namarrgon	What is the error?
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2024-10-02 00:01:07	wyre	teraflops, nope
2024-10-02 00:01:12	wyre	I don't have it
2024-10-02 00:01:31	wyre	but I don't apparently need it if I'm in wheel group, do I?
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2024-10-02 00:02:13	wyre	(hope you are fine mate, btw 😉)
2024-10-02 00:02:26	violetjewel	Namarrgon: E [core/common/lualib]: Lua error: invalid pattern capture
2024-10-02 00:03:05	violetjewel	traceback ..blabla..  (7) /etc/xdg/luakit/rc.lua:215             in main chunk
2024-10-02 00:03:31	violetjewel	 (2) /usr/share/luakit/lib/lousy/uri.lua:80 in function is_uri
2024-10-02 00:03:52	Namarrgon	pacman -Qii luakit
2024-10-02 00:04:04	Namarrgon	Is the system up-to-date?
2024-10-02 00:04:44	Namarrgon	It starts and runs fine here.
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2024-10-02 00:05:13	teraflops	wyre: https://bepasty.priet.us/2gviqGmb/+inline
2024-10-02 00:05:29	violetjewel	yes. LANG=C pacman -Qii luakit => Name            : luakit-git ; Backup Files    : /etc/xdg/luakit/rc.lua [unmodified] /etc/xdg/luakit/theme.lua [unmodified]
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2024-10-02 00:08:23	violetjewel	I think it might have to do with my /etc/hosts file
2024-10-02 00:09:03	violetjewel	I use hosts-gen to compile /etc/hosts.d/* into /etc/hosts, and it does add localhost section
2024-10-02 00:10:15	Namarrgon	What is the whole localhost line?
2024-10-02 00:11:52	violetjewel	I have 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost; 127.0.0.1 localhost; 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain; 255.255.255.255 broadcasthost; ::1 localhost 127.0.0.1 local; ::1 ip6localhost ip6-loopback; etc (without ;s obvi)
2024-10-02 00:12:39	violetjewel	grrr. I had two 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomains ... I removed the first one. Why did hosts-gen put that first one there >:(
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2024-10-02 14:05:44	demonicmaniac1	odd i don't have an *80, in my L390 it does test the battery. i wonder if it's because of the optional dual battery it would only test the internal
2024-10-02 14:31:10	arseru	that would make sense
2024-10-02 15:39:03	susi	arseru: what kind of stuff can you set in the ME setup?
2024-10-02 15:39:11	susi	management engine setup screen that is
2024-10-02 15:44:08	eyeoh	this is cool btw https://download.lenovo.com/bsco/index.html#/ Lenovo BIOS Simulator Center
2024-10-02 15:44:10	phrik	Title: Lenovo BIOS Simulator Center (at download.lenovo.com)
2024-10-02 15:44:29	eyeoh	so, T480
2024-10-02 15:48:27	Jupelius	Cool
2024-10-02 15:48:34	eyeoh	oh; the test part is in a different area hey
2024-10-02 15:53:01	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-02 16:17:23	alwyn	How can I properly disable my touchpad while typing? Using KDE Plasma on wayland. The touchpad system settings has "Disable while typing" enabled. The wiki suggests it is disabled by default, and can be enabled for X11: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Libinput#Enable_the_touchpad_while_typing - but what about wayland then?
2024-10-02 16:17:24	phrik	Title: libinput - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-10-02 16:24:42	arseru	susi I have no idea what ME is, I didn't try it
2024-10-02 16:25:40	arseru	eyeoh you mean the test part found by hitting F10?
2024-10-02 16:25:46	eyeoh	yep
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2024-10-02 16:25:59	eyeoh	at first I thought the simulator would have it but then I realised it's not in there
2024-10-02 16:26:27	eyeoh	alwyn: off the top of my head; something something udev rules?
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2024-10-02 16:26:57	eyeoh	alwyn: so maybe try searching for the udev equivalent to those xorg libinput confs; I don't know though
2024-10-02 16:27:56	ℹ 	hotaruN_ es conocido ahora como hotaruN
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2024-10-02 16:32:34	jensen1	i have 2 services that start keepassxc and udiskie firejail'd and they occassionally fail on startup (i assume it's a race condition of some sort). Fails with: "Access error: uid 1000, last mount name:/ dir:/run/user/1000/gvfs type:fuse.gvfsd-fuse - invalid read-only mount". Any ideas? Tried asking on firejail. I have so far: `After=graphical-session.target gvfs-daemon.service
2024-10-02 16:32:36	jensen1	gvfs-metatdata.service
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2024-10-02 16:33:32	alwyn	huh, disabling and re-enabling that option seems to somewhat work. Now I can't move my mouse while typing but accidentally clicking still does stuff
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2024-10-02 16:36:13	eyeoh	compared to macOS, libinput's palm rejection is still notriously bad. I don't know if it can be fixed
2024-10-02 16:36:25	eyeoh	many ThinkPad users apparently just completely disable their touchpads..
2024-10-02 16:36:42	jelle	do they?
2024-10-02 16:36:55	eyeoh	ThinkPad users? Sure, many do
2024-10-02 16:37:01	eyeoh	not all; not me
2024-10-02 16:37:01	jelle	first time I hear this :)
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2024-10-02 16:38:50	jelle	you also can't compare to what libinput does versus macOS
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2024-10-02 16:42:28	teraflops	I have a macbook and I do not even know where that option is
2024-10-02 16:43:25	eyeoh	why can't I compare?
2024-10-02 16:43:27	eyeoh	I just did
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2024-10-02 16:43:58	eyeoh	teraflops: the libinput option or macOS's option?
2024-10-02 16:44:02	teraflops	macos
2024-10-02 16:44:11	eyeoh	Tim Cook says you don't need options
2024-10-02 16:44:14	eyeoh	because it's perfect already
2024-10-02 16:44:20	eyeoh	like GNOME ;)
2024-10-02 16:44:27	eyeoh	there is tap to click though vs press
2024-10-02 16:45:11	eyeoh	but ok, think about this: macbooks - huge trackpads. no misclicks
2024-10-02 16:45:24	eyeoh	other laptops with smaller touchpads and libinput: misclicks galore
2024-10-02 16:45:33	eyeoh	how
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2024-10-02 16:46:15	eyeoh	also, apparently libpinput is an improvement over synaptics with palm rejection, but I don't have first hand experience there
2024-10-02 16:46:39	teraflops	there no disable touchpad while typing in macos
2024-10-02 16:46:46	eyeoh	wait; what if macbooks have a secondary mechanism such as using the hall effect...
2024-10-02 16:46:56	eyeoh	teraflops: because there's genuinely no need for that
2024-10-02 16:47:00	eyeoh	it works by default?
2024-10-02 16:47:04	teraflops	Im looking at that right now
2024-10-02 16:47:24	sa02irc	eyeoh: Macs compensate for that by making you go crazy in all other features though
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2024-10-02 16:47:29	eyeoh	sa02irc: yes
2024-10-02 16:47:41	Sevenhill	Hello everyone
2024-10-02 16:47:44	sa02irc	hi
2024-10-02 16:48:37	Sevenhill	It might be a bit newbie question , ( i hope you dont get me wrong ) , which package is containing qmlls ?
2024-10-02 16:48:52	jelle	!wtf is qmlls
2024-10-02 16:48:55	phrik	jelle: extra/qt6-declarative
2024-10-02 16:49:46	Sevenhill	phrik jelle : i have already have it installed but still dont have qmlls executive/binary , is it a bug ?
2024-10-02 16:49:46	phrik	Sevenhill: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
2024-10-02 16:50:27	Namarrgon	pacman -Ql <pkg> | grep /bin/
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2024-10-02 16:51:10	sa02irc	Sevenhill: take a look at this thread: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=90635
2024-10-02 16:51:12	phrik	Title: [SOLVED] How to find which package holds a file? / Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-10-02 16:51:20	sa02irc	It explains how to find which package a file belongs to
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2024-10-02 16:52:02	alwyn	I actually don't think my laptop has a hardware (Fn) key for disabling the touchpad. But honestly that's a pretty decent idea. I guess it's possible to make a udev rule to disable the touchpad when I have my bluetooth mouse connected?
2024-10-02 16:52:13	Sevenhill	no i mean it should be under qt-declarative package but eventhough it is already installed it doesnt have qmlls
2024-10-02 16:52:39	eyeoh	alwyn: yeah disabling the touchpad would be software, not via Fn keys (never heard of this one)
2024-10-02 16:52:41	Scimmia	Sevenhill: yes, it does
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2024-10-02 16:52:53	eyeoh	alwyn: I think it's relatively easy to do once you find out where
2024-10-02 16:52:57	Scimmia	you just aren't bothering to see where it is
2024-10-02 16:53:01	Namarrgon	Since we have qt6- and qt5-delarative in the repos the binaries can't have the same name.
2024-10-02 16:53:04	sa02irc	Sevenhill: You can always reinstall qt-declarative
2024-10-02 16:53:15	sa02irc	Sevenhill: pacman -S qt-declarative and confirm overwriting
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2024-10-02 16:53:31	Sevenhill	sa02irc : i already did twice
2024-10-02 16:53:52	Sevenhill	both  qt6-declarative and  qt5-declarative
2024-10-02 16:54:09	Scimmia	Sevenhill: you're assuming you don't have it, why?
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2024-10-02 16:54:46	Namarrgon	Sevenhill: pacman -Ql qt6-declarative | grep /bin/
2024-10-02 16:54:55	Sevenhill	ok  i think i found the problem
2024-10-02 16:55:02	Sevenhill	the bin is named qmlls6
2024-10-02 16:55:07	sa02irc	Can you check in "/usr/lib/qt6/bin/qmlls" ?
2024-10-02 16:55:27	sa02irc	the package qt6-declarative includes that
2024-10-02 16:55:29	eyeoh	alwyn: I guess you've now probably found this already - https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/1.11.3/udev_config.html
2024-10-02 16:55:31	phrik	Title: libinput: Static device configuration via udev (at wayland.freedesktop.org)
2024-10-02 16:55:52	sa02irc	and also make sure when you install qt5-declarative that it does not remove qt6-declarative! Sometimes this happens if they are incompatible
2024-10-02 16:56:11	Scimmia	Sevenhill: except it's not
2024-10-02 16:56:15	sa02irc	If you go to https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/qt6-declarative/ and click on "Package Contents" the file is found there.
2024-10-02 16:56:18	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - qt6-declarative 6.7.3-2 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
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2024-10-02 16:57:17	Scimmia	sa02irc: Namarrgon has told them more than once how to find it already, they don't seem to want to bother to understand anything
2024-10-02 16:57:26	sa02irc	What is the output of "pacman -Q | grep qt6-declarative" ? and also "ls -l /usr/lib/qt6/bin/qmlls"
2024-10-02 16:57:49	sa02irc	Scimmia: copy that
2024-10-02 16:57:49	alwyn	eyeoh: I'll have to dive into it I suppose :P
2024-10-02 16:57:59	Sevenhill	[usta@sakura bin]$ find /usr/bin  -name "*qmlls*"
2024-10-02 16:58:05	alwyn	But I think I can begin to at least configure an unused Fn-key to disable it
2024-10-02 16:58:14	Sevenhill	and output is : /usr/bin/qmlls6
2024-10-02 16:58:37	sa02irc	What about "ls -l /usr/lib/qt6/bin/qmlls"
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2024-10-02 16:59:32	Sevenhill	-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2779088 Sep 28 15:25 /usr/lib/qt6/bin/qmlls
2024-10-02 16:59:38	sa02irc	There you go
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2024-10-02 16:59:49	Sevenhill	but why it doesnt in path ?
2024-10-02 16:59:59	sa02irc	I don't understand your question?
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2024-10-02 17:00:09	sa02irc	What is your real goal?
2024-10-02 17:00:11	Sevenhill	shouldnt it be in PATH variable ?
2024-10-02 17:00:11	Namarrgon	The symlink is in /usr/bin and thus in $PATH.
2024-10-02 17:00:21	sa02irc	Well that's up to you
2024-10-02 17:00:26	sa02irc	do you need it in your PATH?
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2024-10-02 17:00:40	sa02irc	just modify your profile to include whatever you need in PATH
2024-10-02 17:00:55	Namarrgon	You can't have qt5's and qt6's qmlls in $PATH with the same name.
2024-10-02 17:01:03	Sevenhill	i'm asking because i'm using kate and it is giving error while trying to edit any .qml file that it couldnt find qmlls
2024-10-02 17:01:05	sa02irc	for example, in ~/.bashrc if you use BASH
2024-10-02 17:01:14	sa02irc	aha, ok
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2024-10-02 17:01:23	sa02irc	so kate runs in Plasma I guess
2024-10-02 17:02:08	sa02irc	Here you can read how to set your PATH for Plasma: https://userbase.kde.org/Session_Environment_Variables
2024-10-02 17:02:09	phrik	Title: Session Environment Variables - KDE UserBase Wiki (at userbase.kde.org)
2024-10-02 17:02:18	Sevenhill	yes , and i think the kate have hardcodded 'qmlls' instead of 'qmlls6' so it is giving me this error
2024-10-02 17:02:30	sa02irc	simply create a file named $HOME/.config/plasma-workspace/env/path.sh with a contents similar to this:
2024-10-02 17:02:46	sa02irc	export PATH=/usr/lib/qt6/bin:$PATH
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2024-10-02 17:03:01	sa02irc	then restart your Plasma session, of course
2024-10-02 17:03:03	Namarrgon	Don't export it, only run kate with it
2024-10-02 17:03:19	eyeoh	wow
2024-10-02 17:03:19	Namarrgon	If you export it and run anything qt5 it will explode instead.
2024-10-02 17:03:25	sa02irc	Namarrgon: Even better, I like that
2024-10-02 17:03:38	sa02irc	Namarrgon is right!
2024-10-02 17:03:49	Namarrgon	If that fixes the problem then file a bugreport against the kate package.
2024-10-02 17:04:10	Sevenhill	isnt that workarounds fix problems ? how about a small patch to kate instead of using qmlls-> qmlls6
2024-10-02 17:04:18	sa02irc	So on your kate shortcut you can right-click and Edit properties, then set environment for Kate only
2024-10-02 17:04:25	sa02irc	you can add the /usr/lib/qt6/bin to the PATH there
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2024-10-02 17:04:51	sa02irc	Sevenhill: What would you patch in Kate?
2024-10-02 17:05:04	sa02irc	It cannot possibly consider all kinds of environments it could be used in
2024-10-02 17:05:35	sa02irc	on your distro that binary is there, but in other distros (or even OS-es like FreeBSD for example) it could be somewhere completely different
2024-10-02 17:05:44	sa02irc	that's why you have PATH in the first place
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2024-10-02 17:06:20	sa02irc	Maybe Arch could take a look in the Kate package and add this path to the Shortcut when installing, is that what you meant?
2024-10-02 17:06:57	sa02irc	Weird, I haven't had your issue with my kate
2024-10-02 17:07:07	sa02irc	I don't know what is different on your system
2024-10-02 17:07:38	Sevenhill	sa02irc just  enable languageserver plugin on your kate , then try to open a .qml file you will observe it
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2024-10-02 17:11:07	sa02irc	Nope, it works perfectly
2024-10-02 17:11:12	sa02irc	there is no error message
2024-10-02 17:11:42	sa02irc	And I only have qmlls6 in the path
2024-10-02 17:11:46	sa02irc	qmlls is not there
2024-10-02 17:11:58	sa02irc	so there is something else wrong in your environment
2024-10-02 17:12:35	Sevenhill	i'm here to not to argue  , ( english is not my native language ) , i'm just trying to find a solution for everyone ( all distros ) so  this qmlls is linked as qmlls6 just in arch or is it still qmlls on some other distros ? ( i'm asking that because if all distros using qmlls6 then i will change the related command's name on kde's repo )
2024-10-02 17:13:15	Namarrgon	Are you doing his on arch linux or not?
2024-10-02 17:13:16	sa02irc	I don't think the problem is in qmlls6 or qt6-declarative though
2024-10-02 17:13:22	sa02irc	I think something is wrong with your Kate
2024-10-02 17:13:27	sa02irc	but I don't know what
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2024-10-02 17:14:07	Sevenhill	i'm using arch ,  and in kate's source it is trying to use qmlls ( which on archlinux named as qmlls6 ( on /usr/bin ) )
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2024-10-02 17:15:40	Sevenhill	there is the related hardcoding on Kate's side : https://invent.kde.org/utilities/kate/-/blob/master/addons/lspclient/settings.json?ref_type=heads#L203
2024-10-02 17:15:42	phrik	Title: addons/lspclient/settings.json · master · Utilities / Kate · GitLab (at invent.kde.org)
2024-10-02 17:16:43	Sevenhill	if all other distros start to use it as qmlls6 , then i will push a commit to make it like that so everyone will be happy
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2024-10-02 17:17:10	sa02irc	Sure :)
2024-10-02 17:17:24	sa02irc	if you have commit rights, just modify it there.
2024-10-02 17:17:47	Sevenhill	yeah i have but i dont want to break other distros :D
2024-10-02 17:17:54	sa02irc	maybe it is a recent change and the binary was named qmlls before
2024-10-02 17:18:13	sa02irc	That's a good point
2024-10-02 17:18:33	sa02irc	maybe then make it distro dependent, or provide a fallback?
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2024-10-02 17:18:46	sa02irc	if possible, I don't know kate
2024-10-02 17:19:10	sa02irc	I would try to use qmlls6, if not found, qmlls
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2024-10-02 17:19:44	sa02irc	Putting version numbers in filenames sucks mightily, though.
2024-10-02 17:19:50	sa02irc	just for the record..
2024-10-02 17:20:07	Sevenhill	i think it is better when there is a major change
2024-10-02 17:20:08	sa02irc	I think Java does this right.
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2024-10-02 17:20:53	Sevenhill	java done worst things :P
2024-10-02 17:21:32	ana_briated	I'm looking through arch's repos, and I'm not sure I see qmlls as a binary
2024-10-02 17:21:38	ana_briated	*package
2024-10-02 17:21:43	ana_briated	was it bundled with something?
2024-10-02 17:21:55	jelle	it exists for sure, usr/lib/qt6/bin/qmlls
2024-10-02 17:22:16	Sevenhill	ana_briated it is named as qmlls6 which is pointing to /usr/lib/qt6/bin/qmlls
2024-10-02 17:22:42	jelle	it isn't
2024-10-02 17:22:57	jelle	right
2024-10-02 17:22:59	Namarrgon	file a bug against the arch package, this might not apply to other distro that don't have other qt versions than qt6 in the repos, those can just keep the original 'qmlls' name in $PATH.
2024-10-02 17:23:12	Sevenhill	jelle yes it is on my system
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2024-10-02 19:44:52	jelle	answer me senpai gehidore 
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2024-10-02 19:46:08	eyeoh	odd; the very previous active channel in my list also mentioned senpai
2024-10-02 19:46:20	gehidore	the answer is 5
2024-10-02 19:46:22	gehidore	or 42
2024-10-02 19:46:24	gehidore	or 47?
2024-10-02 19:46:27	gehidore	OH NOES!
2024-10-02 19:46:48	gehidore	eyeoh we senpai are everywhere and nowhere at the same time
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2024-10-02 19:51:51	eyeoh	lol
2024-10-02 19:52:46	hdh	OwO
2024-10-02 19:52:51	dcb	do you get bonus points from using the `senpai` irc client?
2024-10-02 19:53:10	eyeoh	I think those must be the rules
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2024-10-02 21:14:23	wyre	hi guys, I'm trying to connect to a local vm with tigervnc viewer but it says no route to host
2024-10-02 21:14:44	wyre	ssh, ping and mtr reaches it
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2024-10-02 21:15:14	wyre	I've also tried netcat -l at the vm and netcat in the host and netcat also says no route to host 🤔
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2024-10-02 21:15:35	wyre	why do you think is that? 
2024-10-02 21:15:38	jelle	magic
2024-10-02 21:15:55	jelle	wyre: using libvirt? what networking?
2024-10-02 21:16:17	wyre	jelle, I'd say nat
2024-10-02 21:16:22	wyre	the default one
2024-10-02 21:16:29	jelle	so you use portforwarding
2024-10-02 21:16:31	◣	Juest (~Juest@user/Juest) ha salido (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2024-10-02 21:17:00	wyre	hmm, I guess, but ... why 22 it's already forwareded? 😆
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2024-10-02 21:17:26	jelle	I have no idea what you have setup
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2024-10-02 21:21:58	Namarrgon	bridging ftw
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2024-10-02 21:24:54	wyre	jelle, nothing special
2024-10-02 21:25:05	jelle	wyre: yeah, I can't help you here
2024-10-02 21:25:11	jelle	virtualbox, vmware, libvirt.. etc
2024-10-02 21:25:35	wyre	I mean ... I've noticed if I do local forwarding through ssh I'm able to connect 
2024-10-02 21:25:46	wyre	so I guess I'd need to forward the 5900
2024-10-02 21:26:02	wyre	though I didn't do anything to have forwarded the port 22 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2024-10-02 21:26:16	wyre	just sudo virsh net-start default
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2024-10-02 21:26:43	wyre	and well, adding the <interface> section in my VM config file
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2024-10-02 21:30:06	jelle	interesting, well you can virsh dumpxml $domain
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2024-10-02 21:32:21	eyeoh	wyre: does it work if you don't use vnc?
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2024-10-02 21:32:49	wyre	eyeoh, what do you mean? the tiger vncviewer? 
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2024-10-02 21:33:11	eyeoh	yep
2024-10-02 21:33:26	wyre	netcat either works 
2024-10-02 21:33:26	eyeoh	like your vm is definitely working, right?
2024-10-02 21:33:34	wyre	sure
2024-10-02 21:33:36	wyre	it's working
2024-10-02 21:34:01	wyre	I can connect through ssh with it
2024-10-02 21:34:05	wyre	so it's properly working
2024-10-02 21:34:05	eyeoh	had to check; cause I had seen something that reminded me of that, but without vnc being relevant
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2024-10-02 21:36:12	wyre	jelle, https://bpa.st/RLHEE
2024-10-02 21:36:16	phrik	Title: View paste RLHEE (at bpa.st)
2024-10-02 21:38:53	Namarrgon	ssh works in the direction in which vnc fails?
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2024-10-02 21:49:18	wyre	Namarrgon, exactly
2024-10-02 21:49:30	wyre	I'm connecting to the guest from the host with ssh and vnc
2024-10-02 21:49:35	wyre	ssh works and vnc doesn't
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2024-10-02 21:58:30	eyeoh	did anything change with the WM/DE
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2024-10-02 21:59:22	wyre	eyeoh, well, I'm using gnome sharing feature
2024-10-02 21:59:49	wyre	to connect through ssh too (apparently as if I disable that I cannot connect through ssh either 🤔)
2024-10-02 22:00:04	eyeoh	hmm that part is a bit odd
2024-10-02 22:00:18	eyeoh	I guess gnome manages the keys there
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2024-10-02 22:00:45	wyre	I can see also in `ss -tunlp` in guest that 22 is opened by users:(("gnome-remote-de",pid=9067,fd=9))
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2024-10-02 22:01:01	eyeoh	is that rhel on both ends
2024-10-02 22:01:31	wyre	nope
2024-10-02 22:01:34	wyre	host is Arch
2024-10-02 22:01:47	eyeoh	oh of course
2024-10-02 22:01:59	eyeoh	I think I've been up too long today
2024-10-02 22:02:11	wyre	hmmm, I've just checked the rhel firewall but netfilter is disabled
2024-10-02 22:03:27	eyeoh	is there another firewall at the host control panel level?
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2024-10-02 22:05:01	eyeoh	when I was initially trying to get mosh to work with gcloud (udp ports 6000-6100), disabling the firewall within my instance didn't affect the one on the console end
2024-10-02 22:05:44	eyeoh	and I think the same applies for all the big providers.
2024-10-02 22:06:09	eyeoh	and ssh is the only thing they allow open by default
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2024-10-02 22:24:20	engys	hi everyone 
2024-10-02 22:24:36	teraflops	yo
2024-10-02 22:25:10	engys	I am using nvidia-open and I am wondering why xrandr come up with "can't open display"
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2024-10-02 22:27:59	engys	I guess this is also the reason that I am not able to switch between X11 sessions anymore
2024-10-02 22:28:15	Namarrgon	Are you running xrandr inside of X?
2024-10-02 22:28:26	engys	no just on tty
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2024-10-02 22:28:39	Namarrgon	You have to run it inside of X.
2024-10-02 22:28:56	Namarrgon	Or at least point it to the $DISPLAY of a running X
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2024-10-02 22:30:47	engys	that make sense
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2024-10-02 22:31:39	engys	the problem arise in the moment I try to startplasma-x11 it also say it can not find any $DISPLAY
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2024-10-02 22:32:28	engys	that was the reason that I thought xrandr --auto would hint me to what the display actually could be
2024-10-02 22:32:31	Namarrgon	You added startplasma-x11 to ~/.xinitrc?
2024-10-02 22:32:45	Namarrgon	'xrandr' is just an interface to xorg's xrandr extension, on its own it cannot do anything.
2024-10-02 22:33:31	engys	no I just use startplasma-x11 from the console 
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2024-10-02 22:33:53	Namarrgon	Then i assume that that binary doesn't start X for you.
2024-10-02 22:34:02	Namarrgon	s/binary/executable/
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2024-10-02 22:34:40	Namarrgon	Copy the stock xinitrc over to ~/.xinitrc, replace the twm/xterm lines at the end with that executable and then run startx.
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2024-10-02 22:44:09	engys	Namarrgon: thank you that works but the problem I am doing all this remains
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2024-10-02 22:44:35	Namarrgon	Which is?
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2024-10-02 22:46:06	engys	I did this because while using startplasma-wayland the icons on the panel disappear while hovering over them
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2024-10-02 22:46:46	engys	that happens only on this specific user
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2024-10-02 22:47:00	engys	maybe I just delete .config
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2024-10-02 23:11:36	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-10-02 23:11:36	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1443 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1442 regular)
2024-10-02 22:48:16	Namarrgon	Start by renaming the kde stuff in ~/.config, one thing at a time.
2024-10-02 22:56:00	just_me	delete stuff in .cache as well... engys 
2024-10-02 22:56:36	engys	just_me: I did this before asking anything
2024-10-02 22:57:08	engys	what happens already to others
2024-10-02 22:57:18	engys	icons on the panel get put to the far left of the screen when hovering over them
2024-10-02 22:57:42	engys	that arise while using xfce4 in between
2024-10-02 23:02:15	just_me	engys, did plasma have a "lock icons at position" ? Or am I just thinking of something else?
2024-10-02 23:05:03	engys	I can see that kcmshell6 qtquicksettings has some influence while switching the render mode it push the icons back into position only to make them moving far left with the next hovering
2024-10-02 23:06:14	engys	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=482957
2024-10-02 23:09:57	engys	I am pretty sure it will be fixed after moving ~/.config even that was a lot of work to configure 
2024-10-02 23:10:27	wyre	eyeoh, they who? 🤔
2024-10-02 23:12:21	engys	yep it works =)
2024-10-02 23:11:37	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-10-02 23:11:49	just_me	moved .config to where engys ?
2024-10-02 23:12:18	engys	just_me: to .config-back
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2024-10-02 23:14:34	wyre	eyeoh, and nope, there is no firewall panel I can see in gnome-boxes
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2024-10-02 23:15:55	wyre	I guess ... there is no way to forward other ports if you don't create a custom NAT and use the host firewall to forward packets
2024-10-02 23:16:00	wyre	https://jamielinux.com/docs/libvirt-networking-handbook/custom-nat-based-network.html
2024-10-02 23:16:01	phrik	Title: Custom NAT-based network — libvirt Networking Handbook — Jamie Nguyen (at jamielinux.com)
2024-10-02 23:16:08	just_me	engys, so something was messed up in the original .config?
2024-10-02 23:16:17	wyre	but ... not sure how is then the 22 port opened by the default network 🤔
2024-10-02 23:16:30	wyre	s/opened/forwarded/
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2024-10-02 23:21:43	engys	just_me: yes, anyway now it works and I need to tweak a little bit
2024-10-02 23:22:37	engys	thanks Namarrgon for putting me back onto the right path
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2024-10-02 23:32:24	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-02 23:32:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-02 23:35:31	engys	it happens actually to more than one account xP
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2024-10-02 23:42:01	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-03 00:13:00	engys	one of my .config directories has 38607 files, I am instantly happy that I moved them =)
2024-10-03 00:15:59	engys	stuff like this should not happen .. kde we need to talk
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2024-10-03 00:41:58	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-03 14:41:48	tellylaw	hello
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2024-10-03 15:11:01	ℹ 	Juesto es conocido ahora como Juest
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2024-10-03 15:16:36	tellylaw	what yall up to
2024-10-03 15:17:23	qkall	at the grind and be grindin
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2024-10-03 15:24:45	codegirl	Hello! I am using a "virtual machine" for kernel development testing, my kernel is configured with everything I need to boot the system and in fact I can do so with `init=/bin/bash`. However, if I pass `init=/sbin/init` I get all sorts of systemd errors like "[!!!!!!] Failed to mount cgroup v1 hierarchy."
2024-10-03 15:25:04	codegirl	Some of them I could solve by providing stuff systemd relied on to boot 
2024-10-03 15:25:24	codegirl	But systemd messages don't help much
2024-10-03 15:25:39	jelle	cgroup v1 is dead
2024-10-03 15:25:44	jelle	so that is strange
2024-10-03 15:25:59	jelle	codegirl: do you have cgroupsv2 enabled?
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2024-10-03 15:27:16	codegirl	I might have forgotten, let me check 
2024-10-03 15:27:29	Namarrgon	https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/main/README#L55
2024-10-03 15:27:30	phrik	Title: systemd/README at main · systemd/systemd · GitHub (at github.com)
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2024-10-03 15:29:13	codegirl	Indeed it's disabled, kernel config says "If unsure, say N" LOL
2024-10-03 15:29:22	codegirl	I'm recompiling now
2024-10-03 15:30:28	codegirl	Kernel doesn't specify version, so I assume it's v2 -- am I wrong?
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2024-10-03 15:37:10	codegirl	Is there any way to make systemd not rely on cgroups at all? I mean, I'm trying to run everything with a very minimalist kernel lol
2024-10-03 15:37:27	grawity	no
2024-10-03 15:37:39	grawity	it's kinda the most core part of the systemd design there is
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2024-10-03 15:39:31	codegirl	I hate you, systemd LOL
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2024-10-03 15:40:13	grawity	are you sure you need to be running systemd at all, then?
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2024-10-03 15:42:09	codegirl	grawity, actually "need" is a strong word hahahaha... I mean, `init=/bin/bash` does fine, but then I have to do some stuff manually, like mounting /proc, /sys, /dev, and when I stop qemu console with the escape keys instead of shutdown it messes my console LOL
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2024-10-03 15:44:33	codegirl	I would totally prefer a BSD-style init for that purpose, like Slackware, but pacman makes my life so easy in terms of package update LOL and Slackware is based on stable packages only
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2024-10-03 16:25:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-03 16:19:28	Strykar	till you compare reboot times
2024-10-03 16:25:55	ville	the buggy screen dimming i was referring to earlier may be result of acpi_backlight=vendor. removed it and haven't had an issue today. so far. no idea what's changed, but according to my comments i've had that since 2020-10-30
2024-10-03 16:25:13	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-03 16:27:50	jelle	ville: acpi_backlight=vendor was a cargo culted workaround which is now properly fixed in the kernel
2024-10-03 16:27:59	jelle	!duck search acpi_backlight hans de goede
2024-10-03 16:28:01	phrik	jelle: Kernel 6.1-rc# might break backlight control on old/weird laptops ... - I have landed a large(ish) refactor of the ACPI/x86 backlight detection code in the kernel for 6.1. I have been very careful to try and not break things but there is a special group of laptops where the ability to control the backlight brightness may disappear because of this. ... Hans de Goede (hansdegoede) wrote,
2024-10-03 16:28:01	phrik	2022-10-27 12:33:00. Hans de ...  (4 more messages)
2024-10-03 16:28:53	ville	jelle: right. yeah various posts i saw with screen related issues seemed to suggest it's no longer in vogue
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2024-10-03 16:31:43	ville	don't think this is a particularly old-and-weird laptop. came out 2020 if i recall. it's a thinkpad t14s gen2 amd. anyhoo fingers crossed
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2024-10-03 16:32:23	eyeoh	09:48:51 <furrykef> Makes me wonder if there's something wrong with the SSD or the mobo
2024-10-03 16:32:26	eyeoh	yeah, could be anything from bad RAM to non-ECC RAM to bitrot. It's one of the major reasons why Copy on Write filesystem fans are so keen about their filesystems
2024-10-03 16:32:45	eyeoh	any time you force a reset ("power loss"), there's a risk
2024-10-03 16:33:00	eyeoh	basically how I messed up an EFI partition recently
2024-10-03 16:33:26	pulec	the amount of open terminals I am allowed to have is damn too low!
2024-10-03 16:33:40	pulec	always after just 40 alacrittys
2024-10-03 16:33:55	pulec	now even 30!
2024-10-03 16:34:18	Namarrgon	what happens then?
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2024-10-03 16:35:16	stutz	morning, I am trying to understand where to set no_read_workqueue when sd-encrypt is used w/ /etc/crypttab.initramfs. systemd encrypts/mounts the disk and I don't actively use crypttab
2024-10-03 16:35:19	pulec	things refuse to work Namarrgon 
2024-10-03 16:35:28	pulec	Max Client Reached I see sometimes
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2024-10-03 16:36:38	Namarrgon	stutz: If you don't use crypttab.initramfs then you have to set the setting either in the kernel parameters or, where possible, make them permanent in the luks headers.
2024-10-03 16:36:43	pulec	wa https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=268034
2024-10-03 16:36:44	phrik	Title: Xorg "Maximum amount of clients reached" after some time / Applications & Desktop Environments / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-10-03 16:37:14	stutz	Namarrgon:I do use the cryptatb.initramfs, but when I set the values in there and check the luksDump in the booted system it says Flags are empty
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2024-10-03 16:37:55	Namarrgon	luksdump dumps the header, not the currently used parameters.
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2024-10-03 16:38:44	stutz	so https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2154817 the first comment is misleading? 
2024-10-03 16:38:45	phrik	Title: 2154817 – Set no_read_workqueue and no_write_workqueue options for dm-crypt on SSD (at bugzilla.redhat.com)
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2024-10-03 16:39:43	Namarrgon	yes, that's wrong.
2024-10-03 16:39:49	◣	dsimic (~dsimic@user/dsimic) ha salido (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2024-10-03 16:39:56	stutz	good, so how do I see the actual used parameters?
2024-10-03 16:40:13	stutz	maybe everything just works and I was checking the wrong values :D
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2024-10-03 16:40:42	mkoskar	pulec: https://mkoskar.com/p/4ulj.txt you can increase it, 256 is prob default, not sure
2024-10-03 16:41:10	mkoskar	but it's most likely sign of some leak imo
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2024-10-03 16:42:37	eyeoh	big outage https://www.stackstatus.net/
2024-10-03 16:42:38	phrik	Title: Status (at www.stackstatus.net)
2024-10-03 16:43:19	jelle	archlinux.org is fine
2024-10-03 16:43:48	MacGyver	Fortunately nowadays Stack Exchange is backed up in ChatGPT.
2024-10-03 16:43:50	◣	hwspeedy (~hwspeedy@user/hwspeedy) ha salido (Quit: hwspeedy)
2024-10-03 16:44:19	eyeoh	lol yep
2024-10-03 16:44:28	eyeoh	that's what I ended up using; well, GPT-4o mini via DDG
2024-10-03 16:44:32	eyeoh	good enough
2024-10-03 16:44:38	MacGyver	:'(
2024-10-03 16:44:43	MacGyver	Worst timeline.
2024-10-03 16:44:48	eyeoh	I mean the opinions are no less legit compared to those sites
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2024-10-03 16:45:14	eyeoh	even ubuntu uses that stack, it seems
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2024-10-03 16:46:42	eyeoh	wow 23GB recommended minimum system requirement https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide#Example_layouts
2024-10-03 16:46:43	phrik	Title: Installation guide - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-03 16:46:52	eyeoh	and here I was trying to get away with 5GB in a VM
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2024-10-03 16:47:57	eyeoh	cute, GPT-4o mini thinks 512MB RAM and 2GB disk space is enough
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2024-10-03 16:48:23	jelle	I mean it depends
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2024-10-03 16:48:38	eyeoh	how is it mining this
2024-10-03 16:49:17	eyeoh	ironically, Claude 3 Haiku is the most accurate; 512MB RAM / 2 GB recommended; and 5GB disk
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2024-10-03 16:50:54	stutz	Namarrgon: cryptsetup status $dev prints the currently used flags and that includes the one set in initramfs. thanks for pointing out the fact that luksDump does not show what I was looking for!
2024-10-03 16:51:09	Namarrgon	you're welcom
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2024-10-03 16:52:43	Namarrgon	+e
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2024-10-03 17:03:36	teraflops	I have a couple of udev rules like this https://bepasty.priet.us/ffmdZWkW/+inline the trigger works but the script fails according to the journal, the odd thing is if I run the very same command as root on a terminal it works
2024-10-03 17:04:44	teraflops	this is the script https://bepasty.priet.us/Gyeg7yc4/+inline
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2024-10-03 17:06:12	teraflops	and the journal https://bepasty.priet.us/GnrVAM4w/+inline
2024-10-03 17:06:23	teraflops	I'm about to give up on this
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2024-10-03 17:10:11	monkfish	set -x; exec 2>>"$HOME/hypr-monitor-switch.err"
2024-10-03 17:11:05	teraflops	let me try thanks
2024-10-03 17:12:14	monkfish	you might also want to follow that with declare -p signature >&2
2024-10-03 17:12:46	monkfish	well, shouldn't be necessary. the trace should show the expansion of signature clearly enough.
2024-10-03 17:14:15	eyeoh	furrykef: not necessarily the cause of your issue - but, https://www.zdnet.com/article/data-corruption-is-worse-than-you-know/
2024-10-03 17:14:17	phrik	Title: Data corruption is worse than you know | ZDNET (at www.zdnet.com)
2024-10-03 17:14:50	eyeoh	although it's hard to argue that you didn't just experience it
2024-10-03 17:15:02	eyeoh	the tricky thing being all the possible causes
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2024-10-03 17:15:07	pulec	mkoskar: any way how ot ask xorg how many clients is set now?
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2024-10-03 17:16:33	demonicmaniac1	pulec: xlsclients you mean?
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2024-10-03 17:17:07	monkfish	teraflops: my mistake. I forgot that udevd does not actually define HOME in its operating environment. you can spell out the fully qualified path to the log file instead.
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2024-10-03 17:18:20	monkfish	as it stands, it would write to the / directory. I suppose there are worse things that can happen.
2024-10-03 17:18:28	sazawal	Hi all. I have just installed nvidia graphics and it is working fine on Xorg, but I can't make it work on Wayland. Strangely enough, glxinfo shows that the renderer is NVIDIA graphics, but Settings>System>About shows it is Intel Integrated Graphics. When I run optimus-manager it shows `ERROR: a GPU setup was initiated but Xorg post-start hook did not run.`. So then I run `prime-offload` and then
2024-10-03 17:18:28	sazawal	`optimus-manager --status` and 
2024-10-03 17:18:29	sazawal	it says `ERROR: the active card is "integrated" but it should be "nvidia".`
2024-10-03 17:19:10	eyeoh	sazawal: which nvidia drivers did you use?
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2024-10-03 17:19:45	sazawal	eyeoh, The stable ones which came through the official nvidia package on arch
2024-10-03 17:20:43	sazawal	It works fine on Xorg, so I don't think there is an issue with the drivers. It is the optimus-manager which is causing the issue, that's what I guess.
2024-10-03 17:21:51	teraflops	monkfish: yeah thanks to that I noticed I had to add env vars to the script, https://bepasty.priet.us/NpU6FiFu/+inline now it works ;)
2024-10-03 17:21:51	pulec	ah demonicmaniac1 thanks, nearly there, I meant the max value compared to setting https://mkoskar.com/p/4ulj.tx
2024-10-03 17:22:43	eyeoh	sazawal: um, official is a bit vague - which one? https://archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&q=nvidia&maintainer=&flagged=
2024-10-03 17:22:46	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Package Search (at archlinux.org)
2024-10-03 17:23:45	eyeoh	it's vague because it depends on whose point of view
2024-10-03 17:24:10	eyeoh	afaik, Wayland would probably consider nouveau to be the most 'correct'
2024-10-03 17:24:25	sazawal	eyeoh, It is NVRM version: NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module  560.35.03
2024-10-03 17:24:27	eyeoh	but Nvidia would probably favour their binaries + XOrg, and no Wayland.
2024-10-03 17:24:52	eyeoh	sazawal: right; so I'm not sure if you're aware of Nvidia's history with Linux...
2024-10-03 17:25:01	sazawal	I think it is Xwayland I am running. That is what I see in the list of processes.
2024-10-03 17:25:04	eyeoh	it's an uphill battle to use those binaries with wayland, iirc
2024-10-03 17:25:13	eyeoh	ah xwayland
2024-10-03 17:25:14	demonicmaniac1	pulec: oh no idea
2024-10-03 17:25:19	eyeoh	yeah, an extra complication imo
2024-10-03 17:26:38	sazawal	eyeoh, Can you help me troubleshooting it, please?
2024-10-03 17:26:44	eyeoh	I'm trying my best
2024-10-03 17:26:48	eyeoh	I have to think
2024-10-03 17:26:53	sazawal	:)
2024-10-03 17:27:07	eyeoh	it sounds to me like the integrated graphics is confusing things
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2024-10-03 17:27:22	eyeoh	maybe blacklisting it is an option... probably risky though
2024-10-03 17:27:38	eyeoh	I'd be inclined to go a different troubleshooting route
2024-10-03 17:27:42	demonicmaniac1	pulec: i can only think of grep "Max clients" ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log.old
2024-10-03 17:27:48	demonicmaniac1	errrr - the old heh
2024-10-03 17:27:55	sazawal	eyeoh, I see.
2024-10-03 17:28:29	eyeoh	I'm really not up to speed on the best combination for nvidia cards. I personally only stick to XOrg and Nvidia binaries
2024-10-03 17:28:38	eyeoh	the other option is nouveau + wayland
2024-10-03 17:28:46	eyeoh	but you've chosen binaries + xwayland which I have no clue about really
2024-10-03 17:28:50	eyeoh	I don't know what's easiest in practice
2024-10-03 17:29:03	eyeoh	it also depends on what you really need out of the card - gaming?
2024-10-03 17:29:19	eyeoh	also, if Xorg works already; why not stick to that?
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2024-10-03 17:30:37	sazawal	eyeoh, I was running it on Xorg for some days, it was working well. Then I saw that Wayland has got a support for HDR, I tried it and it worked on my monitor, which makes me want to use Wayland now. Also, they say that HDR support won't come on x11.
2024-10-03 17:31:21	sazawal	*I tried the wayland HDR and it worked. But nvidia graphics didn't work.
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2024-10-03 17:32:23	eyeoh	I actually don't even really know what HDR means in this context. is it for gaming?
2024-10-03 17:32:26	eyeoh	this scares me: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/HDR_monitor_support
2024-10-03 17:32:28	phrik	Title: HDR monitor support - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-03 17:32:37	Namarrgon	Are you on 6.11?
2024-10-03 17:32:44	eyeoh	I'm really basic. I just use nvidia binaries + X11 i3wm
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2024-10-03 17:32:56	eyeoh	and if I have to use gnome, it's xorg gnome
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2024-10-03 17:33:38	eyeoh	I probably should have sold this card when crypto pushed its price higher than when I first bought it; I don't play any games other than chess anymore
2024-10-03 17:33:40	sazawal	eyeoh, Yes this is it. Yes for gaming and HD films.
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2024-10-03 17:33:51	eyeoh	yeah it's beyond my scope
2024-10-03 17:34:26	eyeoh	I can only think to try alternative experimental installs or live boots to see if that combo works
2024-10-03 17:34:33	sazawal	I was quite happy with gnome xorg running nvidia, until I saw that page :D
2024-10-03 17:34:43	eyeoh	unsee it, imo
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2024-10-03 17:35:07	eyeoh	or keep hanging around to see if anyone actually knows (unlike me)
2024-10-03 17:35:18	eyeoh	maybe the venn diagram for nvidia users and hdr wanters is very small
2024-10-03 17:35:28	sazawal	eyeoh, Lol. But people do run nvidia graphics on wayland. So it does work.
2024-10-03 17:35:38	eyeoh	what does this mean? "Support for HDR is not yet merged in Wayland and as such is also not yet implemented in most display servers. "
2024-10-03 17:35:48	eyeoh	seems to mean that it's an uphill battle either way?
2024-10-03 17:36:09	sazawal	eyeoh, I think it is still in experimental stage. But it did work for me.
2024-10-03 17:36:23	jelle	eyeoh: afaik kde might have HDR
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2024-10-03 17:36:54	eyeoh	15:36:09 <sazawal> eyeoh, I think it is still in experimental stage. But it did work for me.
2024-10-03 17:36:57	eyeoh	it did work?
2024-10-03 17:37:02	sazawal	eyeoh, Here https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1fp71r2/how_to_get_the_gnome_47_experimental_hdr_setting/
2024-10-03 17:37:18	eyeoh	oh so you want it working with gnome
2024-10-03 17:37:28	sazawal	eyeoh, The HDR worked for me, not the nvidia drivers.
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2024-10-03 17:37:38	eyeoh	a tad confused
2024-10-03 17:37:54	sazawal	eyeoh, Yes I have Gnome with wayland. Sorry if it wasn't clear before.
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2024-10-03 17:38:36	eyeoh	this all sounds too hard
2024-10-03 17:38:47	eyeoh	why not use KDE?
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2024-10-03 17:39:37	eyeoh	> "GNOME has HDR support in progress [5]" <-- sounds more like "only attempt if you're actively helping develop it"
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2024-10-03 17:39:52	eyeoh	way above my pay grade tbh
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2024-10-03 17:40:13	eyeoh	I wonder if Valve will help
2024-10-03 17:40:22	herkool	any PCIe driver expert here?
2024-10-03 17:40:23	sazawal	eyeoh, Just not a fan of KDE. I tried it 10 years ago and the heavy graphics really screwed my pc. Well, now I do have a better config pc, but I want to keep it Gnome simple.
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2024-10-03 17:40:41	eyeoh	gnome and simple is one way to describe it
2024-10-03 17:40:53	eyeoh	gnome is simple if you want to keep it that way
2024-10-03 17:41:01	eyeoh	otherwise... no comment
2024-10-03 17:41:04	sazawal	eyeoh, Haha true.
2024-10-03 17:41:04	herkool	sazawal, I really suggest you to use tiling wms
2024-10-03 17:41:15	eyeoh	just the facts as I see them
2024-10-03 17:41:17	HuntsMan	sazawal: KDE has changed a lot in 10 years, its not even called KDE much but the desktop is called Plasma, KDE is the community itself
2024-10-03 17:41:21	eyeoh	what you're asking sounds way too hard
2024-10-03 17:41:41	eyeoh	maybe wait 5 years?
2024-10-03 17:42:04	sazawal	HuntsMan, I believe you. I have friends suggesting me to have KDE.
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2024-10-03 17:42:17	eyeoh	use whatever you want, but be realistic about your options
2024-10-03 17:42:28	HuntsMan	sazawal: and latest Plasma 6 supports HDR
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2024-10-03 17:42:39	eyeoh	just use that ^
2024-10-03 17:42:42	sazawal	HuntsMan, Right
2024-10-03 17:42:43	eyeoh	or give up the HDR idea for now
2024-10-03 17:42:57	eyeoh	or Windows, I guess
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2024-10-03 17:43:02	eyeoh	dual boot etc
2024-10-03 17:43:13	herkool	can anyone describe me what is HDR?
2024-10-03 17:43:17	jelle	quite the monologue
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2024-10-03 17:43:27	sazawal	eyeoh, You are all right, but then I think how hard could it be to run nvidia graphics on wayland.
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2024-10-03 17:44:45	jelle	nvidia should run fine on wayland
2024-10-03 17:44:49	eyeoh	lol
2024-10-03 17:44:55	Erus_Iluvatar	herkool: wider range of colors available to be displayed on a screen
2024-10-03 17:45:12	herkool	Ers_Iluvatar: Thanks :)
2024-10-03 17:45:15	sazawal	Well, that was my original problem lol
2024-10-03 17:45:16	HuntsMan	herkool: high dynamic range, basically content with images that go outside the [0,1] range for pixels
2024-10-03 17:45:24	jelle	and HDR is actively worked on in GNOME
2024-10-03 17:45:25	HuntsMan	or [0, 255] if you talk integers
2024-10-03 17:45:29	herkool	mohammad5305: hi, are you iranian?
2024-10-03 17:45:59	Erus_Iluvatar	herkool: colors _and_ light levels, if you want to dig a little more into it
2024-10-03 17:46:23	sazawal	jelle, I can't make optimus-manager work on gnome+wayland.
2024-10-03 17:46:42	herkool	HuntsMan: that's a good think i guess.. is it stable supported in linux?
2024-10-03 17:46:43	jelle	sazawal: ah, I have no idea about dual gpu setups
2024-10-03 17:46:58	jelle	something I rather stay away from
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2024-10-03 17:46:44	sazawal	Maybe I should get a single gpu pc and run KDE on it.
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2024-10-03 17:46:50	Namarrgon	sazawal: There was some noise around fbdev and modesetting no longer being optional but i don't know whether that was settled or how that affects optimus systems.
2024-10-03 17:46:59	HuntsMan	herkool: seems to work, no idea about stability, its a new feature
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2024-10-03 17:47:33	teraflops	jelle: mux switch fixes most of the annoyances
2024-10-03 17:47:38	herkool	HuntsMan: oh right. thanks for details
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2024-10-03 17:47:44	jelle	teraflops: never going to bother :)
2024-10-03 17:47:51	teraflops	heh
2024-10-03 17:48:02	HuntsMan	Namarrgon: btw fbdev is kind of obsolete, you probably mean the DRM, which is what wayland uses
2024-10-03 17:48:04	jelle	I have the choice to buy a laptop without a broken 2 gpu setup
2024-10-03 17:48:41	⚡ 	teraflops is going to test the gnome hdr thingi
2024-10-03 17:48:52	sazawal	Namarrgon, Not sure about fbdev, but modesetting I did already. The problem is it shows NVIDIA graphics on glxinfo and Integrated graphics on Settings>System>About. When I run `optimus-manager --status` it says `ERROR: the active card is "integrated" but it should be "nvidia".`
2024-10-03 17:48:58	Namarrgon	HuntsMan: i might have gotten it wrong, i'm not paying too much attention to nvidia
2024-10-03 17:49:09	Erus_Iluvatar	teraflops: if you just want to have both the iGPU and the dGPU and start a few select programs with the latter, look at switcheroo-control IIRC it worked fine for me before I disabled my dGPU
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2024-10-03 17:49:32	Erus_Iluvatar	sazawal: ^
2024-10-03 17:50:06	teraflops	Erus_Iluvatar: that is what I use actually
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2024-10-03 17:50:22	Erus_Iluvatar	teraflops: sorry, I failed to HL the right person /o\
2024-10-03 17:50:25	Namarrgon	sazawal: Is optimus-manager up to date?
2024-10-03 17:50:31	teraflops	np ;)
2024-10-03 17:50:33	sazawal	Erus_Iluvatar, The optimus-manager worked very well for me on Gnome+Xorg, but not working on Gnome+wayland. They both are installed on the same system.
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2024-10-03 17:57:26	teraflops	sazawal: switcherooctl is integrated in gnome and it picks the gpu based on application .desktop files e.g .local/share/applications/steam.desktop:X-KDE-RunOnDiscreteGpu=true
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2024-10-03 17:59:12	sazawal	teraflops, I see. Well, since optimus-manager is working for me on Xorg, I don't want to make an effort to move to switcheroo. But I will check it out later.
2024-10-03 17:59:19	sazawal	BRB
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2024-10-03 18:00:07	teraflops	so I nabled the hdr thing on gnome and played dune 2 maybe it's just placebo but it looks stunning here 
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2024-10-03 18:07:48	sazawal	Here is the optimus-manager error log https://pastebin.com/W6Prgqx1
2024-10-03 18:07:49	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XErx.txt
2024-10-03 18:07:49	phrik	Title: $ optimus-manager --statusERROR: the active card is "integrated" but it should - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-10-03 18:10:31	teraflops	it looks like optimus manager is not suited for wayland, only xorg
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2024-10-03 18:14:08	Ingar	how di I remove the google search bar from konqueror
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2024-10-03 18:16:26	Ingar	aah it's an extension, you can disable it there
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2024-10-03 18:18:39	kocsi	It doesn't seem like I can get usevia.app to work properly. I can authorize a device (keyboard) for WebHID use via Chrome, but the keymap and matrix never seem to load properly. Is there an alternative for this with arch?
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2024-10-03 18:22:30	violetjewel	is it possible for /sys/ (sysfs) to use locale? like /sys/class/power_supply/*/status eg?
2024-10-03 18:22:47	jelle	violetjewel: what do you mean?
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2024-10-03 18:23:34	grawity	violetjewel: no; and most of it is supposed to be read by programs, not by users, anyway
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2024-10-03 18:24:20	violetjewel	you know how locale(7) provides the mechanisms for things like language-aware human-computer interactions (eg, $ locale -k LC_MESSAGES # so that you can use yesstr and nostr and etc in the user's $LANG / locale)?
2024-10-03 18:25:27	violetjewel	The small problem is that if you want to put like /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/status inside of, eg, a status bar of sorts; then you have to translate it into the correct language. What is a good way to do that in C, if there is no locale-specific sysfs stuff?
2024-10-03 18:26:21	grawity	human-computer interactions are outside the scope of /sys -- that's really the job of your program
2024-10-03 18:26:33	ℹ 	shalok_ es conocido ahora como shalok
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2024-10-03 18:27:02	violetjewel	Is it possible to generate a new locale category / set of keywords that can do this? I don't mind generating the most common locale transformations- at least for the most common languages - even though I would wish for a better way.
2024-10-03 18:27:04	grawity	handle it the same way as you would handle e.g. an ioctl that returns an integer enum
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2024-10-03 18:27:26	grawity	i.e. make your own .po files and call gettext, etc
2024-10-03 18:27:54	violetjewel	there is such little info about these .mo files for locale. Can WE - as developers - use them? Or is it entirely relegated to just locale(7) and other similar internals?
2024-10-03 18:28:07	violetjewel	sorry ... .po ...
2024-10-03 18:28:34	violetjewel	huh.. okay.. sorry.. this is like day 2 of trying to work this out. Do you have a link to how to do this? I find it hard to google. Thanks a lot, grawity 
2024-10-03 18:28:51	grawity	yes that's how a large percentage of C programs do localization (and not only C really, I know even some PHP projects that do that)
2024-10-03 18:29:11	violetjewel	yes, I have seen this referenced a LOT for web sites. But that doesn't help me much in C.
2024-10-03 18:29:12	grawity	all of it goes under LC_MESSAGES
2024-10-03 18:29:24	grawity	well, it does originate from C
2024-10-03 18:29:25	arseru	hi! Until a few days ago, Thunderbird was showing new messages as a popup floating window showing at the bottom-right side of my screen. Now it shows as a whole new window in i3wm. How can I get it back to its previous behaviour?
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2024-10-03 18:29:35	violetjewel	okay. How can I generate a .po file and such? I don't know what to search? I tried.
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2024-10-03 18:30:13	sazawal	It worked!
2024-10-03 18:30:25	jelle	violetjewel: gettext provides all the tooling, look at any GNU project
2024-10-03 18:30:43	violetjewel	ah. okay. ty.
2024-10-03 18:31:01	grawity	IIRC gettextize is part of it, scans your C files for _("string") and generates a template .po
2024-10-03 18:31:05	grawity	or something along those lines
2024-10-03 18:31:16	sazawal	It seems like the problem is switching from integrated to nvidia. Optimus does it by logging out and logging in on Xorg. What I did was to set nvidia as the graphic driver on start up. Rebooted and it is set!
2024-10-03 18:31:20	grawity	_() being a macro for gettext()
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2024-10-03 18:31:30	violetjewel	life saver
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2024-10-03 18:32:50	grawity	arseru: sounds like it switched from its custom notifications to the system-provided notification daemon
2024-10-03 18:33:00	grawity	arseru: does "notify-send yay" show the same behavior?
2024-10-03 18:33:12	teraflops	sazawal: what is the point of using optimus-manager if the default card is the discrete gpu?
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2024-10-03 18:33:32	arseru	grawity: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name is not activatable
2024-10-03 18:34:24	sazawal	teraflops, The only point I see is for switching. Nvidia graphics drains battery, so you don't want to use it on battery power.
2024-10-03 18:34:55	grawity	try catching one of those notification windows using `xprop` to see what you need to add in i3 configuration (not sure where, but I'm sure it has a place to define certain windows to be floating)
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2024-10-03 18:35:51	grawity	or install a notification daemon that works well with i3 (dunst? twmn? no idea what's popular these days), since AFAIK thunderbird will be trying to use that first
2024-10-03 18:36:42	arseru	I was going to ask just that, if you could recommend a notification server for i3 :) I remember fiddling with dunst a long time ago
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2024-10-03 18:37:32	arseru	I was going to ask just that, if you could recommend a notification server for i3 :) I remember fiddling with dunst a long time ago
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2024-10-03 18:37:10	arseru	TIL about xprop, thanks!
2024-10-03 18:37:11	grawity	honestly any of them can be made to work with any WM
2024-10-03 18:37:37	grawity	...in theory
2024-10-03 18:37:45	teraflops	arseru: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Desktop_notifications
2024-10-03 18:37:47	phrik	Title: Desktop notifications - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-03 18:37:47	grawity	used to use xfce4-notifyd with wmii, at least
2024-10-03 18:38:37	arseru	teraflops indeed I was looking on that page :)
2024-10-03 18:38:48	violetjewel	I use dwm, but I used dunst with i3 for years a decade ago .. and then bspwm .. and xmonad. I still use dunst in dwm now.
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2024-10-03 18:39:20	teraflops	yes, dunst is fine
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2024-10-03 18:46:41	arseru	grawity I used `xprop -spy` to click on one of these notification windows, and this is the output https://bpa.st/DG5YO but I don't see any hint in there on what can I update in my i3 config to fix this
2024-10-03 18:46:47	phrik	Title: View paste DG5YO (at bpa.st)
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2024-10-03 19:02:08	grawity	arseru: going by google, for_window [window_role="alert"] floating enable, or something along those lines idk
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2024-10-03 19:03:19	arseru	I'll just go straight ahead to try dunst again, looks nice
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2024-10-03 20:01:55	georgerabus	Anybody knows how to enable sshd socket?  I get this: Failed to enable unit: Unit sshd.socket does not exist
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2024-10-03 20:05:14	rcf	georgerabus: it doesn't actually ship with one. 
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2024-10-03 20:05:40	monkfish	georgerabus: it was removed. see https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/62248.
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2024-10-03 20:07:16	monkfish	and https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/commit/b5ee8a935e7f3869efb16c11d2dc6356870c91da
2024-10-03 20:07:17	phrik	Title: remove systemd socket, see FS#62248 (b5ee8a93) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / openssh · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-10-03 20:13:00	georgerabus	im trying to set up a sftp server on linux, any idea how?
2024-10-03 20:13:14	georgerabus	the arch documentation is too confusing
2024-10-03 20:13:25	gog	if sshd is running you have sftp
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2024-10-03 20:16:01	gog	https://i.imgur.com/8JBbQK9.png default arch configuration for sshd enables it
2024-10-03 20:16:03	gog	https://i.imgur.com/8JBbQK9.png
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2024-10-03 20:16:43	gog	to automatically start, pkexec systemctl enable sshd.service
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2024-10-03 20:18:44	georgerabus	thanks
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2024-10-03 20:31:34	renerthr	Why is it that Intel Graphics are called i915 ?
2024-10-03 20:31:57	gog	legacy reasons
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2024-10-03 20:32:19	gog	i think, though, that most of the functionality of i915 is better in the modeset driver
2024-10-03 20:32:43	gog	but i915 was the chip originally supported by the module, and it extended to intel graphics derived from this chipset
2024-10-03 20:32:56	eyeoh	fun exercise: look up why amd64 is amd64
2024-10-03 20:33:14	eyeoh	those of us born before it will feel old
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2024-10-03 20:34:03	gog	because intel was too busy trying to make itanium happen to extend x86 
2024-10-03 20:34:27	gog	amd knows well when to take advantage of intel trying to do things that aren't going to be market winners
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2024-10-03 20:43:57	renerthr	https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/224240/why-is-the-intel-hd-graphics-driver-called-i915
2024-10-03 20:43:58	phrik	Title: history - Why is the Intel HD Graphics driver called i915? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange (at unix.stackexchange.com)
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2024-10-03 20:57:07	renerthr	The "kernel" and "shell" terms came from corn? Or from nuts? 
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2024-10-03 21:21:22	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-03 21:21:23	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-03 21:45:07	AdamS	Good afternoon folks. I've had something stumping me for a couple of days since the last nvidia and kernel update. I've been scouring reddit and the wiki, google, etc. Basically the last kernel and nvidia driver update that "broke wayland" (more like nvidia being closed source but you know). Solutions were posted by Sven the maintainer of nvidia package, which I have tried, but I think my
2024-10-03 21:45:09	AdamS	situation is a little special here...
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2024-10-03 21:48:19	AdamS	I am using a Dell g7 laptop with no mux switch with a gtx 1060gb optimus laptop, and after applying the fix of the grub.cfg, SDDM when logging in to KDE wayland is hard locking the computer so I can't even get to a TTY, I have to power off the machine. I am mainline linux kernel, using the "nvidia" package. Plasma wayland before basically ran off the intel integrated in KDE, and would switch to
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2024-10-03 21:48:21	AdamS	nvidia for GLX use in gaming or 3D apps like blender, etc.
2024-10-03 21:48:24	ptr1337	AdamS We have pushed some fixes. Can you please test nvidia-dkms nvidia-utils 560.35.03-5
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2024-10-03 21:49:01	AdamS	sure, I'll try dkms driver, I didn't think it would work for the 10** series according to the wiki
2024-10-03 21:49:10	ptr1337	See this commit https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/nvidia-utils/-/commit/1b02daa2ccca6a69fa4355fb5a369c2115ec3e22
2024-10-03 21:49:12	phrik	Title: nvidia-utils: Add patch for enabling fbdev and modeset as default (1b02daa2) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / nvidia-utils · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-10-03 21:49:32	ptr1337	Likely, you can just update your system to latest :)
2024-10-03 21:49:42	ptr1337	dkms is not required. "nvidia" has been updated too.
2024-10-03 21:49:51	AdamS	I saw Sven's commit last night around midnight
2024-10-03 21:50:09	AdamS	let me update, standby
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2024-10-03 21:51:27	AdamS	ahh, indeed, new driver update going :)
2024-10-03 21:51:36	ptr1337	Let me know, if all is working after.
2024-10-03 21:51:37	⚡ 	AdamS crosses fingers
2024-10-03 21:52:05	AdamS	Last update I tried was around 6 hours ago, so this might do it ^_^
2024-10-03 21:52:15	ptr1337	Weve just pushed it to stable
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2024-10-03 21:59:52	AdamS	Hmm, did not change the problem it looks. So, what it's been doing since the update is, it loads SDDM, I login and when I try KDE/Wayland, once I put in the password and and press enter it hard locks the system, can't even get to a TTY at that point. I've added the frame buffer line sven and others said to in grub's default, updated grub and confirmed that it reflects in /boot/grub/grub.cfg. It
2024-10-03 21:59:54	AdamS	never locked the system before.
2024-10-03 22:00:49	AdamS	it's an nvidia optimus laptop, no mux switch, intel cpu 8k series, 1060 6gb dedicated.
2024-10-03 22:01:19	AdamS	Everything works in X11, including 3D driver for nvidia
2024-10-03 22:02:18	AdamS	I think it's this Dell G7 being special lol
2024-10-03 22:02:47	ptr1337	Mhm
2024-10-03 22:03:52	ptr1337	Did ya try to early load the nvidia-modules?
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2024-10-03 22:04:33	AdamS	I did not
2024-10-03 22:04:45	AdamS	I followed basic instructions on the install on the wiki
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2024-10-03 22:05:24	renerthr	I'm using dhcpcd. I logged into a network entering a username and password. That was through CaptivePortal in FF. Now I want to log off and log back in again with a different username and password. I was told `dhcpcd --release` would do the trick. Well, it didn't. 
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2024-10-03 22:05:54	ℹ 	gog es conocido ahora como pog
2024-10-03 22:05:55	renerthr	After I ran `dhcpcd --release`, the internet went off, but then I ran `sudo systemctl start dhcpcd`, and the internet was on again. 
2024-10-03 22:05:59	ptr1337	AdamS https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#mkinitcpio
2024-10-03 22:06:01	phrik	Title: NVIDIA - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-03 22:06:05	ℹ 	gehidore es conocido ahora como gog
2024-10-03 22:06:09	ℹ 	gog es conocido ahora como man
2024-10-03 22:06:20	renerthr	But I'm not logged off yet. How can I log off from that network?  
2024-10-03 22:06:28	AdamS	ooh, yes, I am using mkinitcpio, I also setup a pacman hook for nvidia
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2024-10-03 22:07:10	AdamS	and I watched the update just now it did run the mkinitcpio on the update
2024-10-03 22:07:36	◣	Intellis (~Intellis@user/Intellis) ha salido (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2024-10-03 22:07:37	ptr1337	x(
2024-10-03 22:07:54	ptr1337	Do you run sddm in wayland mode or x11?
2024-10-03 22:07:59	◣	nortega (~nortega@user/nortega) ha salido (Quit: God bless you!)
2024-10-03 22:08:12	AdamS	wayland hard crashes, x11 loads up
2024-10-03 22:08:28	Edu4rdSHL	I haven't experienced any of these issues, weird
2024-10-03 22:08:48	teraflops	AdamS: did you run manually mkinitcpio -P?
2024-10-03 22:08:51	renerthr	ptr1337: ptr1337 , I'm not running sddm. I logged into the network using CaptivePortal in FF. 
2024-10-03 22:09:10	AdamS	no, it runs it on updates for both the kernel and nvidia
2024-10-03 22:09:16	ptr1337	renerthr The message was for Adam :)
2024-10-03 22:09:33	AdamS	I can try manually
2024-10-03 22:09:40	teraflops	but you are saying it didn't run on last nvidia update
2024-10-03 22:10:26	ptr1337	Do you maybe get logs, when trying to login?
2024-10-03 22:10:40	AdamS	no, it did run
2024-10-03 22:10:43	ptr1337	Maybe get it via previous session journalctl -b -1 > jctl.log
2024-10-03 22:11:08	teraflops	do you have nvidia modules in MODULES in mkinitcpio.conf?
2024-10-03 22:11:20	AdamS	double checking
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2024-10-03 22:11:48	ptr1337	I think, that SimpleFB and fbdev or even without fbdev are just heavily conflicting and creating all these issues
2024-10-03 22:11:56	ℹ 	jensen1 es conocido ahora como a4s1
2024-10-03 22:12:18	teraflops	I do not have such issue
2024-10-03 22:12:32	ptr1337	Neither
2024-10-03 22:12:57	ptr1337	I have put here a kernel, which skips the simplefb stuff, when nvidia_drm.modset thing is set: https://pkgbuild.com/~ptr1337/kernel-testing/simplefb-skip/
2024-10-03 22:12:58	phrik	Title: Index of /~ptr1337/kernel-testing/simplefb-skip/ (at pkgbuild.com)
2024-10-03 22:13:22	AdamS	Yes, the modules are in there
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2024-10-03 22:13:24	teraflops	then run sudo mkinitcpio -P and reboot
2024-10-03 22:13:55	teraflops	ptr1337: oh, nice
2024-10-03 22:13:57	AdamS	hold on, let me move this chat off a tty into x11 kde so I can copy and paste links :D
2024-10-03 22:14:04	AdamS	brb
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2024-10-03 22:14:36	ℹ 	man es conocido ahora como gehidore
2024-10-03 22:14:44	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, are we blessed with nvidia? :p
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2024-10-03 22:15:04	teraflops	idk mate but none of the issues I read here are affecting me
2024-10-03 22:15:05	Edu4rdSHL	On all the years that I have used nvidia (since day 1) I have never had really problems
2024-10-03 22:15:06	ptr1337	Fedora does not carry the skipping patch anymore, reason that one got removed too. Ive now put the changes to nvidia-utils, which fedora does, but well
2024-10-03 22:15:08	Edu4rdSHL	Very weird
2024-10-03 22:15:18	AdamS	I'm back, sorry
2024-10-03 22:15:25	ptr1337	No sorry required :P
2024-10-03 22:15:44	eyeoh	AdamS: tmux!
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2024-10-03 22:16:53	AdamS	tmux?
2024-10-03 22:17:01	renerthr	AdamS: everybody here uses tmux
2024-10-03 22:17:05	pog	i don't use tmux
2024-10-03 22:17:15	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: I had troubles before switching to nvidia-open
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2024-10-03 22:17:30	teraflops	random crashes
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2024-10-03 22:18:06	AdamS	I thought the wiki said I couldn't use nvidia-open or nvidia-dkms because I don't use a custom kernel, just mainlain "linux" and my model doesn't work with open being a 1060
2024-10-03 22:18:08	Edu4rdSHL	I haven't switched yet :p
2024-10-03 22:18:27	Edu4rdSHL	AdamS, open should work with it
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2024-10-03 22:18:50	eyeoh	AdamS: tmux makes copyping and pasting within ttys easy
2024-10-03 22:18:57	AdamS	ooh
2024-10-03 22:19:01	ptr1337	You can not use nvidia-open AdamS
2024-10-03 22:19:08	eyeoh	really useful when you're stuck without gui etc
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2024-10-03 22:19:20	AdamS	okay ptr, that's what I thought
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2024-10-03 22:20:31	Edu4rdSHL	Just checked, it's from 16xx >, not 10xx as I though
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2024-10-03 22:20:52	AdamS	let me see if I can pull this log
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2024-10-03 22:24:01	lmat	I have a machine that is operating at 100 MB/s rather than 1000 MB/s. Yesterday (earlier today too maybe?) it was operating at 1000 MB/s. What might have happened to mess it up?
2024-10-03 22:24:24	Edu4rdSHL	lmat, check `ip a` and see the link negotiation speed
2024-10-03 22:24:32	AdamS	https://pastebin.com/dTtuK07t
2024-10-03 22:24:33	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XE-m.txt
2024-10-03 22:24:34	phrik	Title: Oct 03 14:54:49 dellg7 kernel: Linux version 6.11.1-arch1-1 (linux@archlinux) (g - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-10-03 22:24:38	lmat	"2: enp4s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP group default qlen 1000"
2024-10-03 22:25:14	AdamS	that's the journalctl dump
2024-10-03 22:25:38	Edu4rdSHL	What about `networkctl status enp4s0`, lmat 
2024-10-03 22:25:56	⚡ 	teraflops thinks on ethtool
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2024-10-03 22:27:02	ptr1337	lmat Might check the cable, I had something equal once and then one lane of the lan cable was dead
2024-10-03 22:27:11	ptr1337	but I had also such symptoms, that it sometimes worked and sometimes not
2024-10-03 22:27:18	Edu4rdSHL	>  sddm-greeter-qt6[725]: The X11 connection broke: I/O error
2024-10-03 22:27:18	ptr1337	in your dmesg you could see, when it does downgrade the connection
2024-10-03 22:27:24	teraflops	I'd blame the cable as well
2024-10-03 22:27:50	Edu4rdSHL	And then a Xorg coredump
2024-10-03 22:27:55	ptr1337	AdamS Please dont tell anyone, but could you try following:
2024-10-03 22:28:05	ptr1337	git clone https://aur.archlinux.org/sddm-git
2024-10-03 22:28:05	ptr1337	cd sddm-git
2024-10-03 22:28:05	ptr1337	makepkg -si 
2024-10-03 22:28:07	AdamS	it'll be our secret ^_^
2024-10-03 22:29:10	teraflops	if nvidia got updated and mkinicpio didn't run you have to run it manually
2024-10-03 22:30:22	ptr1337	There is also a complete coredump, before this happens in line 1549
2024-10-03 22:30:24	ptr1337	Oct 03 14:54:57 dellg7 systemd-coredump[761]: Process 682 (Xorg) of user 0 dumped core.
2024-10-03 22:30:33	teraflops	ouch
2024-10-03 22:31:22	renerthr	AdamS: # coredumpctl
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2024-10-03 22:36:44	AdamS	okay, I'm back again. That didn't work @ptr1337
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2024-10-03 22:37:00	AdamS	it compiled and such, and installed but no change in operation
2024-10-03 22:37:02	lmat	Edu4rdSHL: networkctl status enp4s0 says https://paste.rs/G9zJO Speed: 100Mbps! ... now what? ^_^
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2024-10-03 22:37:16	teraflops	lmat: use ethtool
2024-10-03 22:37:21	Edu4rdSHL	As others said, try another cable
2024-10-03 22:37:28	ptr1337	AdamS Can you try the kernel ive built?
2024-10-03 22:37:39	renerthr	lmao
2024-10-03 22:37:43	lmat	I'm happy to replace the cable but this one has been working without a problem for several months...
2024-10-03 22:37:44	ptr1337	https://pkgbuild.com/~ptr1337/kernel-testing/simplefb-skip/
2024-10-03 22:37:44	ptr1337	But you would need nvidia-dkms then
2024-10-03 22:37:45	phrik	Title: Index of /~ptr1337/kernel-testing/simplefb-skip/ (at pkgbuild.com)
2024-10-03 22:37:47	teraflops	if ethtool cannot change the links speed try another cable
2024-10-03 22:37:53	teraflops	link^
2024-10-03 22:38:06	Edu4rdSHL	lmat, have you tried... you know
2024-10-03 22:38:09	Edu4rdSHL	:p
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2024-10-03 22:38:47	lmat	Edu4rdSHL: lol. Just restarted a minute ago and still no joy
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2024-10-03 22:39:06	renerthr	lmat: have you tried a cold reboot? 
2024-10-03 22:39:11	AdamS	I'd rather not stray from mainline kernel if possible, you know for updates and such, and future support if needed, unless you are the maintainer and I'm helping test for an update
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2024-10-03 22:39:37	teraflops	lmat: something like this ethtool -s eth0 speed 1000 duplex full autoneg off (I do not have an ethernet port)
2024-10-03 22:39:38	lmat	renerthr: No. Maybe that would be more effective. It's reasonable to suggest that the NIC doesn't "power down" during a warm boot.
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2024-10-03 22:40:07	AdamS	even though I did just that just now for the sddm update you provided
2024-10-03 22:40:10	AdamS	:D
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2024-10-03 22:41:07	AdamS	brb, got to let the dog out
2024-10-03 22:41:09	ℹ 	levitating__ es conocido ahora como levitating
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2024-10-03 22:41:27	teraflops	!fight cat dog
2024-10-03 22:41:28	phrik	cat
2024-10-03 22:41:32	teraflops	^^
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2024-10-03 22:42:10	AdamS	Back
2024-10-03 22:42:32	ptr1337	AdamS Since xorg crashes in your log, maybe lets try to put sddm to wayland x)
2024-10-03 22:42:53	AdamS	okay
2024-10-03 22:43:04	AdamS	I don't have wayland x, let me read up on that
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2024-10-03 22:44:01	ptr1337	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/SDDM#KDE_Plasma_/_KWin
2024-10-03 22:44:03	phrik	Title: SDDM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-10-03 22:46:55	AdamS	do I also need the  xorg-xwayland package as well ptr1337 ?
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2024-10-03 22:47:32	teraflops	iirc it will be pulled as a dep
2024-10-03 22:47:42	AdamS	k
2024-10-03 22:49:08	ptr1337	No, it will use natively wayland
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2024-10-03 22:55:22	AdamS	okay, I installed the layer-shell packages it asked for, edited the 10-wayland.conf, that should be it right?
2024-10-03 22:55:52	ptr1337	Yes sir
2024-10-03 22:55:56	ptr1337	reboot
2024-10-03 22:56:05	ptr1337	Hopefully that works, otherwise lets trash nvidia
2024-10-03 22:56:08	AdamS	brb, oray for me lol
2024-10-03 22:56:14	AdamS	pray too :D
2024-10-03 22:56:22	ptr1337	⛅
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2024-10-03 23:01:15	AdamS	Well, kde-x11 won't start now, had to boot into xfde lol
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2024-10-03 23:01:36	ptr1337	Does kde wayland owrk now ?
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2024-10-03 23:01:41	AdamS	no
2024-10-03 23:01:44	ptr1337	man :(
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2024-10-03 23:01:55	ptr1337	https://pkgbuild.com/~ptr1337/kernel-testing/simplefb-skip/
2024-10-03 23:01:56	phrik	Title: Index of /~ptr1337/kernel-testing/simplefb-skip/ (at pkgbuild.com)
2024-10-03 23:01:57	ptr1337	Last resort
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2024-10-03 23:04:20	AdamS	mind if I /msg you ptr1337 ?
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2024-10-03 23:04:39	AdamS	so I don't fill the chat up with stupid questions
2024-10-03 23:04:50	ptr1337	Sure
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2024-10-03 23:51:15	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-03 23:52:16	AdamS	Those Framework laptops with dedicated amd gpu's are looking sexy with all the nvidia issues the last couple of days :D
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2024-10-04 15:45:53	jl2	Hi, I have a amd egpu, and when I have it connected, I often cannot resume from suspend
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2024-10-04 15:46:43	jl2	The journal doesn't indicate anything, so it's quite hard to find out where it comes from.
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2024-10-04 15:47:15	jl2	Is there any way to prevent the device from suspending? I think thats the issue, and I think it's worth a try
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2024-10-04 15:47:49	eyeoh	jl2: dunno; but I gave up on using suspend and now just hibernate to disk instead... I think that might be far more reliable
2024-10-04 15:48:04	teraflops	jl2: which DE/WM?
2024-10-04 15:48:05	eyeoh	troubleshooting suspend issues is quite involved
2024-10-04 15:48:10	jl2	sway
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2024-10-04 15:48:29	jl2	eyeoh: I use windows dualboot, I don't trust it
2024-10-04 15:48:47	eyeoh	which part don't you trust?
2024-10-04 15:49:01	eyeoh	my swap partition is encrypted
2024-10-04 15:49:40	eyeoh	and when I resume from hibernation, I have to enter my LUKS passphrase just like on boot; and then grub shows up etc
2024-10-04 15:49:42	teraflops	jl2: do yo use swayidle?
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2024-10-04 15:50:07	jl2	that windows/linux changes some shit and the other one doesn't like it and expects it to be the same as before it hibernated
2024-10-04 15:50:16	eyeoh	hmm
2024-10-04 15:50:17	jl2	there's a big warning not to do so
2024-10-04 15:50:22	jl2	(on the wiki)
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2024-10-04 15:51:03	jl2	teraflops: I meant the device/usb controller suspending thingy. there's a d3cold alowed file somewhere in the gpu dir
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2024-10-04 15:51:43	teraflops	ah
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2024-10-04 15:51:57	eyeoh	jl2: I don't think that's relevant with the way I've set it up on my dual boot
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2024-10-04 15:52:47	eyeoh	I'm talking about LUKS partitions or swap files within LUKS partitions. I don't think Windows has anything to do with it
2024-10-04 15:52:56	jl2	teraflops: but you're right, if I don't find anything I'll do that
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2024-10-04 15:55:14	eyeoh	jl2: I use this, not IRST which sounds like a completely different method: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Swap_encryption#With_suspend-to-disk_support - it's an option to test and compre if you fare any better with it than suspend
2024-10-04 15:55:16	phrik	Title: dm-crypt/Swap encryption - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-10-04 15:55:25	eyeoh	and yes, it works with a swap file too
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2024-10-04 15:57:39	eyeoh	for me on a laptop, the drawbacks of hibernation seem to outweigh those of suspend being unpredictable and more demanding of the battery
2024-10-04 15:57:55	eyeoh	(it should also be more secure than suspend too, if you're concerned about that)
2024-10-04 15:58:11	eyeoh	anyway; just an idea
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2024-10-04 16:02:05	jl2	eyeoh: as I suspend yuite often, and it normally is reliable, I'd rather stay with the blazing-fast suspend
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2024-10-04 16:08:27	lmat	Ingar: I see. IN my case, I was getting 100mbps, but failing to get 1000mbps. "broken wire" and "broken connector" seems out of the question, but perhaps "low quality" could describe the situation. Would low quality mean bad twist ratios, etc.?
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2024-10-04 16:10:53	Sout_	yeah that will do it. or excess noise. At $work, we had an issue with the magnetics bypassing a decoupling cap and that did it.
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2024-10-04 16:14:33	eyeoh	jl2: yep, suspend definitely saves time - if it's reliable ;)
2024-10-04 16:14:52	lmat	Sout_: Interesting. An optical decoupler?
2024-10-04 16:16:02	Sout_	nope plain rj45. it was screw up on our end do to the chip apocalypse 
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2024-10-04 16:54:44	chazy	Namarrgon: yes, i have it installed, but for some reason the uefi entries weren't being created with grub-mkconfig, but manually running efibootmgr did create the boot entries, no idea why.
2024-10-04 16:58:58	chazy	I've been having some weird problem with my computer, yesterday I started having this random freezes, a little while after turning it on, it happened like 3 or 4 times in 2-3 hours, I decided to check for bios updates and i installed the latest one, but it kept happening, I decided to run memtest86+ from the arch install image but I went away and upon returning the arch install environment was
2024-10-04 16:59:00	chazy	booted but the cursor wasn't blinking so I knew it happened again, it's that type of system freeze where the monitor image is frozen, peripherals like keyboards with rgb lights are on but upon reconnecting the keyboard nothing happens, all i can do is a hard reboot.
2024-10-04 17:00:11	chazy	the second time I run memtest86+ it completed without errors and since then it's no longer happening, one can only guess what's going on...
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2024-10-04 17:10:41	another|	grub-mkconfig does not install anything. it just creates a config
2024-10-04 17:11:03	eyeoh	the magic invocation is grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2024-10-04 17:11:07	eyeoh	usually
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2024-10-04 17:11:54	eyeoh	grub-mkconfig will scroll a lot of text past you quickly, but if you take a closer look, there'll be clues that it doesn't change anything without -o
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2024-10-04 17:13:13	eyeoh	I've the same mistake before
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2024-10-04 17:13:08	another|	!aw grub
2024-10-04 17:13:10	phrik	another|: Grub - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Grub
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2024-10-04 19:11:12	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-04 19:11:15	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-10-04 19:11:28	Namarrgon	Did you work through the "locale" page on the wiki?
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2024-10-04 19:12:11	Namarrgon	Did you relogin after editing /etc/locale.conf?
2024-10-04 19:12:51	Namarrgon	grep -v "^#" /etc/locale.gen
2024-10-04 19:13:00	Scimmia	did you check the plasma page? Plasma loves screwing up locales
2024-10-04 19:13:34	Namarrgon	Scimmia: That's on the same 'locale' page of the wiki they worked through
2024-10-04 19:13:46	Scimmia	oh is it? good to know
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2024-10-04 19:13:53	Namarrgon	citizen: You don't need the iso one
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2024-10-04 19:14:17	Scimmia	comment it out, but it really doesn't matter
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2024-10-04 19:15:16	Namarrgon	localedef --list-archive
2024-10-04 19:15:54	Namarrgon	Did you see 4.1 on the locale page?
2024-10-04 19:16:12	Namarrgon	To the wiki?
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2024-10-04 19:16:31	Scimmia	and 6.6.3 on the KDE page
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2024-10-04 19:21:20	Scimmia	it's the same info
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2024-10-04 19:26:01	damax	What would be the best way of packaging a font from a repository with this situation: font is only a part of the project, latest version of the project uses updated font but from an older commit. Should the version include the latest version of the project and latest commit of the font, or is that too confusing?
2024-10-04 19:26:01	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2024-10-04 19:31:22	mkoskar	damax: if the main project isn't primarily related to the font they carry (is it their font or just repackaged?) then maybe you can ask upstream to separate it into dedicated repository, otherwise if main repo has often enough releases using the tag of the main software seems ok to me
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2024-10-04 19:33:08	damax	mkoskar: It's a small project for a start, don't really think it would make much sense for them to separate, but using the release tags probably makes the most sense, thanks!
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2024-10-04 19:39:16	eyeoh	happy 20000 days since epoch, everybody
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2024-10-04 19:43:28	docdrow	Anyone have arch gitlab access and would kindly grab the nvidia-dkms tree for me?
2024-10-04 19:43:35	⚡ 	docdrow grumbles.
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2024-10-04 19:48:05	lmat	I'm using xdotool. When I   xdotool search --onlyvisible --name "Gusto"; I get two windows: 35651621 and 48234535. But one of those windows does not have "Gusto" in the name!   for i in $(xdotool search --onlyvisible --name "Gusto"); do xdotool getwindowname "$i"; done; says "Gusto - Chromium" and "Terminal - lmat@baxter:~". How do I make sure the terminal (which has nothing to do with Gusto)
2024-10-04 19:48:05	lmat	doesn't show 
2024-10-04 19:48:11	lmat	up in the results?
2024-10-04 19:51:26	demonicmaniac1	lmat: use xprop on the windows to figure out what all the things are - you have wm_class wm_client_machine wm_command etc
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2024-10-04 19:52:28	lmat	demonicmaniac1: That should help, thank you!
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2024-10-04 20:05:33	Namarrgon	docdrow: what prevents you from cloning it yourself?
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2024-10-04 20:08:59	MrElendig	docdrow: you don't need an account to clone
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2024-10-04 20:21:00	teraflops	if a project has no releases the PKGBUILD I write should be -git right?
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2024-10-04 20:21:14	docdrow	MrElendig: I wondered the same thng... and yet... I get prompted for username/pass :(
2024-10-04 20:21:29	teraflops	ssh/http?
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2024-10-04 20:21:49	Antiz	teraflops: No releases meaning no tags?
2024-10-04 20:21:57	Antiz	If so, then yes.
2024-10-04 20:22:01	docdrow	[doc@drowbox] build $ pkgctl repo clone --protocol=https nvidia-dkms
2024-10-04 20:22:03	docdrow	==> Cloning nvidia-dkms ...
2024-10-04 20:22:05	docdrow	Cloning into 'nvidia-dkms'...
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2024-10-04 20:22:07	docdrow	Username for 'https://gitlab.archlinux.org': 
2024-10-04 20:22:08	phrik	Title: Explore groups · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-10-04 20:22:16	teraflops	Antiz: thanks!
2024-10-04 20:22:27	Antiz	You're welcome :)
2024-10-04 20:22:29	docdrow	I also get prompted for a username when I try it with "git clone https://..."
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2024-10-04 20:23:31	MacGyver	docdrow: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/nvidia-dkms doesn't exist.
2024-10-04 20:23:32	phrik	Title: Sign in · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-10-04 20:23:39	MrElendig	docdrow: do the base package instead
2024-10-04 20:23:48	MacGyver	docdrow: Try another package.
2024-10-04 20:23:51	MrElendig	docdrow: nvida is a split package
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2024-10-04 20:24:12	docdrow	yeah other packages work, I have the base package "NVIDIA" but it depends on nvidia-dkms ?
2024-10-04 20:24:16	MacGyver	Gitlab doesn't outright 404 because it *might* exist when logged in.
2024-10-04 20:24:32	Erus_Iluvatar	docdrow: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/nvidia-utils
2024-10-04 20:24:33	phrik	Title: Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / nvidia-utils · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-10-04 20:24:36	MrElendig	docdrow: nvidia-dkms is built from https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/nvidia-utils/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads
2024-10-04 20:24:37	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / nvidia-utils · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-10-04 20:24:46	docdrow	oh crap.... nvidia-utils :)
2024-10-04 20:24:50	docdrow	sorry guys... 
2024-10-04 20:24:59	Erus_Iluvatar	np, the pkgbase is counter-intuitive
2024-10-04 20:25:14	MacGyver	(And so is gitlab's behaviour when you don't know about it)
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2024-10-04 20:25:56	MrElendig	it was slightly less confusing with the old abs, but only slightly
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2024-10-04 20:30:25	astralc	gitlab assume if you get 404 on repo is that you don't have (anonymous) access 
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2024-10-04 20:31:48	DeepDayze	you would have to login with credentials to access it
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2024-10-04 20:34:24	grawity	because ~iNFolEAk~
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2024-10-04 20:34:41	MacGyver	I *kind* of get that.
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2024-10-04 20:35:00	MacGyver	But it'd be nice if you could define a namespace in which it should outright 404.
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2024-10-04 20:35:41	MacGyver	That is, actually 404 on non-existent stuff and 403 (or login-redirect) on unauthorized stuff.
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2024-10-04 21:25:10	red_man	hi all
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2024-10-04 21:25:35	Antiz	👋
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2024-10-04 21:25:49	red_man	so as of yet I havent solved my usb boot issue
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2024-10-04 21:28:14	Namarrgon	You haven't answered most of the questions either.
2024-10-04 21:29:33	red_man	ok so can we start again
2024-10-04 21:29:57	Namarrgon	Are you trying to boot the archiso from usb? How did you copy the iso to the usb device?
2024-10-04 21:29:58	red_man	you guys said what commands
2024-10-04 21:30:08	red_man	yes
2024-10-04 21:31:06	red_man	cp /home/george/Downloads/archlinux2024.10
2024-10-04 21:31:27	red_man	to /dev/sdb
2024-10-04 21:31:47	Namarrgon	What is the exact command you ran?
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2024-10-04 21:32:12	red_man	one sec
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2024-10-04 21:33:09	red_man	cp /home/george/Downloads/archlinux-2024.10.01-x86_64.iso /dev/sdb
2024-10-04 21:33:20	red_man	ok
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2024-10-04 21:34:55	obb	what is the issue?
2024-10-04 21:35:38	red_man	so i put the stick in the other machine and arch doesnt boot
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2024-10-04 21:35:39	eyeoh	which instructions have you tried to follow
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2024-10-04 21:36:08	red_man	the instructions on our wesite
2024-10-04 21:36:19	Namarrgon	Does the archiso show up in the firmware's bootmenu?
2024-10-04 21:36:55	red_man	no not sure
2024-10-04 21:37:07	red_man	usb drive shows up
2024-10-04 21:37:11	obb	did you check your bios for the boot order?
2024-10-04 21:37:19	red_man	yup
2024-10-04 21:37:19	Namarrgon	What happens when you select and boot from it?
2024-10-04 21:37:55	red_man	it reboots and i get a message somthing is correct
2024-10-04 21:38:16	Namarrgon	"error: something is correct"?
2024-10-04 21:38:17	⚡ 	Erus_Iluvatar bets on secure boot
2024-10-04 21:38:44	red_man	oh ok ill check
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2024-10-04 21:39:18	Namarrgon	computers are pedantic machines, exact wording matters
2024-10-04 21:39:54	Ena0	Hi so I have an issue with wayland on my laptop. Upon typing in the password I get a black screen with a blinking dash in the top left corner most of the time. Sometime it works though. Anyways I seem to have found a solution on github https://github.com/sddm/sddm/pull/1779#issue-1837381912 It's the first comment but I don't exactly know how to apply it.
2024-10-04 21:39:56	phrik	Title: Redesign login shell use in session scripts by Vogtinator · Pull Request #1779 · sddm/sddm · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-10-04 21:39:58	Hunts	reminds me of "Error: failed successfully"
2024-10-04 21:40:08	red_man	secure boot is enabled
2024-10-04 21:40:13	astralc	Namarrgon: until uefillm will become real
2024-10-04 21:40:23	Namarrgon	red_man: Then disable it.
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2024-10-04 21:40:29	Ena0	How do I "exec the command within the login shell"?
2024-10-04 21:40:33	Ena0	I'm on KDE
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2024-10-04 21:41:10	Antiz	Ena0: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE#From_the_console
2024-10-04 21:41:12	phrik	Title: KDE - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-04 21:41:12	ℹ 	Juesto es conocido ahora como Juest
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2024-10-04 21:43:17	red_man	yes im in
2024-10-04 21:43:24	red_man	thank guys
2024-10-04 21:43:27	Ena0	Antiz: Yes I know this command but I'm also using sddm. Is there a way to keep using sddm and make the loging work at the same time?
2024-10-04 21:43:49	Antiz	Ena0: Ah sorry, I read your message too fast. Ignore it.
2024-10-04 21:43:51	red_man	archlinux channel rocks
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2024-10-04 21:44:11	Ena0	Antiz: np xd
2024-10-04 21:44:26	Antiz	Ena0: Your issue doesn't seem related to the PR you linked though
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2024-10-04 21:45:22	Ena0	Antiz: https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/1768#issuecomment-1666211742 this issue links the issue I sent as the solution.
2024-10-04 21:45:23	phrik	Title: No Wayland desktop reached when user shell is not "bash" · Issue #1768 · sddm/sddm · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-10-04 21:45:48	Antiz	Ena0: Yeah, but is it really *your* issue?
2024-10-04 21:46:26	Ena0	Antiz: Well my issue is that I often get just a black screen after typing my password in sddm when trying to login.
2024-10-04 21:46:35	Ena0	Doesn't usially happen on a X11 session.
2024-10-04 21:46:53	Antiz	Ena0: Yeah so doesn't seem related to the link you sent.
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2024-10-04 21:47:27	Antiz	The issue you sent is about not being able to start the wayland session when using another shell than bash (e.g. fish)
2024-10-04 21:47:29	Ena0	Antiz: I see. So any ideas how to solve this? I googled around and those are the two links that came up...
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2024-10-04 21:48:00	Antiz	Ena0: You might find something useful in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/SDDM#Troubleshooting
2024-10-04 21:48:01	phrik	Title: SDDM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-04 21:48:21	Antiz	Your issue could be https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/SDDM#Blank_screen_with_cursor,_but_no_greeter_shows (disk space)
2024-10-04 21:48:22	phrik	Title: SDDM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-04 21:48:43	Ena0	Antiz: I already tried this but it's not a soltion.
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2024-10-04 21:48:56	Ena0	Don't want to switch every time I boot to a different tty?
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2024-10-04 21:49:09	Ena0	I don't want it to happen in the first place lol
2024-10-04 21:49:31	Antiz	Switching to a different tty is just to allow you to log in and investigate ^^
2024-10-04 21:49:37	Antiz	Are you using an nvidia card ?
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2024-10-04 21:49:48	Ena0	Antiz: Yes I'm using an nvidia card.
2024-10-04 21:50:05	Ena0	Yes I already did all mode settings etc
2024-10-04 21:50:11	Antiz	Then your issue most likely is: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/SDDM#Black_screen_after_logout_with_NVIDIA_graphics_card
2024-10-04 21:50:12	phrik	Title: SDDM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-04 21:50:30	Antiz	SSDM might starts before the nvidia driver, causes the issue. 
2024-10-04 21:50:39	Antiz	It also explains why it does not happen *everytime*
2024-10-04 21:50:59	Ena0	Antiz: It says "after logout" not before or upon.
2024-10-04 21:51:03	Ena0	Same thing or what?
2024-10-04 21:51:25	Ena0	not  before login**
2024-10-04 21:51:50	Antiz	Not same thing, but could be the same behavior. I remember some users having the exact same issue with gdm
2024-10-04 21:52:11	Ena0	All right let me see if I've already done it"D
2024-10-04 21:52:13	Ena0	:D **
2024-10-04 21:52:14	Antiz	An easy you can try to verify that is to disable the sddm service
2024-10-04 21:52:27	Antiz	(systemctl disable sddm.service)
2024-10-04 21:52:30	Antiz	Then reboot
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2024-10-04 21:52:39	Antiz	log in
2024-10-04 21:52:43	Antiz	And start the service manually
2024-10-04 21:52:53	Antiz	(systemctl start sddm)
2024-10-04 21:53:10	Antiz	If it shows up, it's most likely this then.
2024-10-04 21:53:20	Antiz	Ah no wait
2024-10-04 21:53:37	Antiz	Ena0: You said you get black screen *after* typing your password in sddm?
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2024-10-04 21:54:31	Ena0	Antiz: Yes so my laptop boots up. I get greeted by sddm prompting me to type in my password. I type in my password and press enter. After that a black screen appears
2024-10-04 21:54:50	Ena0	switching tty "fixes" it but that's not really a fix
2024-10-04 21:54:50	Antiz	Uh, forget it then. I thought sddm doesn't show up and a blackscreen with a white cursor appears instead.
2024-10-04 21:55:01	Antiz	Sorry, read too fast again. Probably a bit tired x)
2024-10-04 21:55:06	Ena0	Antiz: No 
2024-10-04 21:55:18	Ena0	Antiz: lmao np xD
2024-10-04 21:55:25	Ena0	Soooo any other ideas? haha
2024-10-04 21:55:32	Antiz	looking that up
2024-10-04 21:55:46	Ena0	sure thanks!!:)
2024-10-04 21:56:03	Antiz	Are you using a different shell than bash? 
2024-10-04 21:56:37	Ena0	yes zsh
2024-10-04 21:56:52	Antiz	Since I didn't get your issue correctly the first time, the link you gave might be related after all 🤣
2024-10-04 21:56:53	Ena0	So the issue I sent earlier seems to be it huh? ;D
2024-10-04 21:57:04	Antiz	Could be 👀
2024-10-04 21:57:09	Ena0	lmao
2024-10-04 21:57:19	Antiz	Well you can't verify it easily
2024-10-04 21:57:26	Ena0	right so just tell me how to do that stuff the first comment mentions
2024-10-04 21:57:29	Ena0	I want to try it out
2024-10-04 21:57:30	Antiz	Just temporarily change your shell to bash
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2024-10-04 21:58:28	Antiz	`chsh -s /bin/bash`, then reboot. And see if it works now.
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2024-10-04 21:59:08	Ena0	All right it might work but I want to use zsh. How do i 'exec command directly' using sddm?
2024-10-04 21:59:08	Halano	Does archlinux has offcial matrix room or ?
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2024-10-04 22:00:01	Antiz	Ena0: I know, but you should still try it to verify if that's actually your issue or not. The comment you're linking too is just someone explaining the changes they included in the pull request they just opened.
2024-10-04 22:00:12	Antiz	It's not something you can just apply on your own that easily.
2024-10-04 22:00:31	Antiz	s/too/to
2024-10-04 22:00:31	Ena0	Antiz: okay let me check that brb
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2024-10-04 22:03:05	Halano	I hope i found an answer soon gtg now
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2024-10-04 22:04:01	Ena0	Antiz: Seems to be it. It's working. How do I 'apply the fix'? :D
2024-10-04 22:04:12	Ena0	I don't want to recompile sddm xD
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2024-10-04 22:04:33	Antiz	Well, you'll most likely need to do it x)
2024-10-04 22:05:10	Ena0	Antiz: Isn't there an sddm config I could drop in a line login line or similar? 
2024-10-04 22:05:17	Ena0	login line *
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2024-10-04 22:05:34	Antiz	Ena0: Give me a sec to figure it. Needs to check what the changes are about in the related pull request
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2024-10-04 22:08:28	Ena0	Antiz: Btw let's say I didn't find this issue online. How would I find out that it's zsh causing the issue? I mean how exactly would I go about investigating the problem?
2024-10-04 22:07:55	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-10-04 22:08:25	Antiz	Ena0: I guess you could try to apply the changes made to the wayland-session file in the PR you linked under usr/share/sddm/scripts/ on your system.
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2024-10-04 22:09:08	Antiz	Ena0: Well, try to reproduce the issue using bash basically. If you can, it's most likely not zsh. If you cannot, then it's most likely zsh
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2024-10-04 22:09:40	Ena0	Antiz: But how do I even suspect that it's the shell and not some graphics driver or a package I installed?
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2024-10-04 22:10:19	Antiz	Ena0: Thanks to the link you gave which points the shell as the root cause 🤣
2024-10-04 22:10:21	Ena0	like I'd never think of the login shell being  the problem more like some graphics stuff
2024-10-04 22:10:37	Antiz	I know you said "let's pretend I didn't find that", but you did so ^^
2024-10-04 22:10:40	Ena0	Antiz: Yeah but I asked what would I do if I didn't have the link xD
2024-10-04 22:10:46	Ena0	How did the guy find it out?
2024-10-04 22:10:54	Antiz	If you didn't find it, it would have been a long hunt basically
2024-10-04 22:11:12	Ena0	Right but how to hunt it down? xD
2024-10-04 22:11:19	Ena0	What's the tactics?
2024-10-04 22:11:40	Ena0	some debugging or what?
2024-10-04 22:11:44	obb	random guesswork
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2024-10-04 22:11:53	Antiz	Well, they might have asked if anyone else add the same issue around them, then found out that the common thing between the ones that have the issue compared to the ones that do not is the fact that they are not using bash 🤷
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2024-10-04 22:12:01	Ena0	obb: Anything smarter than guesswork?
2024-10-04 22:12:04	Antiz	s/add/had
2024-10-04 22:12:07	obb	no this is Linux
2024-10-04 22:12:12	Ena0	Antiz: U see
2024-10-04 22:12:15	Ena0	I**
2024-10-04 22:12:16	obb	it all boils down to random guesswork
2024-10-04 22:12:25	Ena0	obb: ofc xxD
2024-10-04 22:12:30	Antiz	I mean, you could check sddm journal
2024-10-04 22:12:37	Antiz	Same for plasma and stuff
2024-10-04 22:12:51	Ena0	right good point. Better than guesswork xd
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2024-10-04 22:13:05	Antiz	Yeah but that's not always helpful unfortunately
2024-10-04 22:13:11	Ena0	I see
2024-10-04 22:13:23	obb	Ena0: wait until you see the log messages
2024-10-04 22:13:47	Antiz	The tactic is to start wide and eliminate potential causes little by little basically. 
2024-10-04 22:13:59	Ena0	obb: Yeah I started trying to reaad some logs recently with a different issue I had but it turned out kinda chaotic ;)
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2024-10-04 22:14:24	Antiz	Which can take more or less long depending on the case, the usefulness of logs, the weirdness of the issue, the ability to reproduce it, etc...
2024-10-04 22:14:41	Antiz	Reporting it to upstream is also a good idea generally speaking ^^ With a little luck they might help :)
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2024-10-04 22:15:13	eyeoh	20:12:01 <Ena0> obb: Anything smarter than guesswork?
2024-10-04 22:15:15	eyeoh	computer science is a real science and the first step to forming a hypothesis to test is to guess.
2024-10-04 22:15:20	obb	with little luck = chances to win the lottery
2024-10-04 22:15:23	eyeoh	intuition comes through experience
2024-10-04 22:15:43	eyeoh	Ena0: my approach is often to find a reference system to test against
2024-10-04 22:15:55	eyeoh	you use zsh. that's already a deviation.
2024-10-04 22:16:12	eyeoh	so, always find different systems to test with and compare the results. experiment
2024-10-04 22:16:30	eyeoh	virtual machines help speed this process up
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2024-10-04 22:16:55	eyeoh	learn to use qemu-kvm via virt-manager or something
2024-10-04 22:16:57	Antiz	Ena0: https://bpa.st/VHNRE
2024-10-04 22:17:00	phrik	Title: View paste VHNRE (at bpa.st)
2024-10-04 22:17:38	Antiz	Ena0: Make a backup of `usr/share/sddm/scripts/wayland-session` on your system and try to change its content by the one I sent you.
2024-10-04 22:17:55	Antiz	It includes the potential fix proposed in the PR you linked.
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2024-10-04 22:18:23	Antiz	See if it works again as expected when using zsh.
2024-10-04 22:19:27	Ena0	eyeoh: Thanks for your suggestions/ input. I'll look into qemu and virt manager.:)
2024-10-04 22:20:10	Ena0	Antiz: Where is that being proposed? I can't find it :/ I guess I have no clue how to use github xd
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2024-10-04 22:20:39	Antiz	Ena0: See the "Files changed" tab at the top of the GitHub pull request you linked
2024-10-04 22:20:43	Antiz	https://github.com/sddm/sddm/pull/1779/files
2024-10-04 22:20:46	phrik	Title: Redesign login shell use in session scripts by Vogtinator · Pull Request #1779 · sddm/sddm · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-10-04 22:22:18	Antiz	If that works as expected, I guess you could leave a comment there to bump it a bit. Seems like it's still waiting on a review / approval to get merged.
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2024-10-04 22:23:56	eyeoh	Ena0: I'm looking for a link I posted recently on this topic of wizardry
2024-10-04 22:24:02	eyeoh	stand by
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2024-10-04 22:26:29	Ena0	eyeoh: Thank you 🤗
2024-10-04 22:27:29	eyeoh	Ena0: https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/27/on_call/
2024-10-04 22:27:31	phrik	Title: OS/2 expert channeled a higher power to dispel doom loop • The Register (at www.theregister.com)
2024-10-04 22:27:45	eyeoh	the key secret is called "experience"
2024-10-04 22:28:00	eyeoh	although not everyone with experience or hours has the skill
2024-10-04 22:28:10	ℹ 	gog es conocido ahora como pog
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2024-10-04 22:28:24	eyeoh	to be a good learner, you need to be open minded about learning and adapting
2024-10-04 22:28:55	eyeoh	being able to read helps a lot too. many fail at this first step
2024-10-04 22:29:06	◣	eirik__ (~eirik@84.208.214.155) ha salido (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2024-10-04 22:29:13	eyeoh	modern tools like search helps
2024-10-04 22:29:43	eyeoh	in the old days before the internet, different kinds of stuff needed memorising. but there were books too
2024-10-04 22:29:47	eyeoh	and magazines
2024-10-04 22:30:23	eyeoh	magazines ended up taking up space and got thrown out with tidying
2024-10-04 22:30:31	eyeoh	so now we have the internet instead
2024-10-04 22:31:44	Ena0	eyeoh: haha thanks for the read I'll read it in a sec just need to reboot and chdck if the 'fix' works ;) I'll brb!!
2024-10-04 22:32:05	eyeoh	when I last troubleshooted something for my mum over a video call, she asked if I was tired. I wasn't - I was just frozen in thought because I don't try to hide uncertainty anymore
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2024-10-04 22:32:59	eyeoh	so instead of asking her to randomly tap on various settings, I just froze in a meditative thought first
2024-10-04 22:33:03	eyeoh	and found the answer
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2024-10-04 22:35:45	eyeoh	Ena0: https://danielsieger.com/blog/2018/10/21/feynman-problem-solving-algorithm.html
2024-10-04 22:35:46	phrik	Title: The Feynman Problem-Solving Algorithm - Daniel Sieger (at danielsieger.com)
2024-10-04 22:35:57	eyeoh	I try to do this, sometimes
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2024-10-04 22:36:51	eyeoh	there's also a matter of prioritising which problems to tackle first
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2024-10-04 22:38:07	eyeoh	funnily enough, btrfs led me to removing nvidia binaries and giving nouveau a proper go for once
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2024-10-04 22:38:59	eyeoh	it's all a process of one thing leading to another and you learn stuff along the way that might help down the track
2024-10-04 22:39:04	Ena0	Antiz: It seems  to be working! Thank you so much for your help!! <3
2024-10-04 22:39:19	Antiz	Ena0: 🎉 You're welcome :)
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2024-10-04 22:40:07	Antiz	Ena0: If you have a GitHub account, feel free to comment on that pull request that it indeed fixes the issue.
2024-10-04 22:40:33	Antiz	Hopefully that will help the fix getting merged (and then land in the Arch package)
2024-10-04 22:41:32	Ena0	Antiz: Wait one las t question. I can see where you got this code from but how exacly did you know what to pase in this config? In the "files changed" tab there's some red and green stuff. Red means removed I guess and green addedd but it doesn't seem you've added all the green stuff to the config. So how did you know what to leave and what to remove?
2024-10-04 22:42:57	obb	guesswork
2024-10-04 22:43:04	Ena0	eyeoh: I thought about nouveau but the performance sucks tbh :( Also nvidia has finally released a somewhat open source driver but I'm not on nvidia-open since the power saving configs don't work on nvidia-open. There's already an issue on nvidias gihb for that and it won't be fixed xd
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2024-10-04 22:43:35	Antiz	Ena0: All the green stuff should be there. What I did is that I generated a patch file for those changes (you can do so by adding ".patch" at the end of pull request or commit url, like so: https://github.com/sddm/sddm/pull/1779.patch) and then applied this patch file by cloning the repo and running `git apply` against it.
2024-10-04 22:43:36	Ena0	obb: rally? xD
2024-10-04 22:43:36	phrik	Title: Sign in to GitHub · GitHub (at github.com)
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2024-10-04 22:44:17	Antiz	This basically applies the changes included in the patch to the concerned files.
2024-10-04 22:44:33	obb	usually he quickly pastes a few lines he found on the internet into a file, rolls a dice and commits the line number determined with a diceroll
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2024-10-04 22:45:01	Antiz	obb: 🤫 Don't give secrets to the public  please!
2024-10-04 22:45:07	Antiz	😝
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2024-10-04 22:46:14	Ena0	Antiz: Thanks! AAh I see because there are kind of two edits there okay got it!
2024-10-04 22:46:15	ℹ 	intelfx_ es conocido ahora como intelfx
2024-10-04 22:46:21	Ena0	Thanks again :) 
2024-10-04 22:46:45	Antiz	Antiz: Yes there are two files changed, but since you're using Wayland, there's only the wayland-session one you care about
2024-10-04 22:46:57	Antiz	The other one is for the X11 session
2024-10-04 22:46:59	Ena0	Now I'm a happy arch user again sincde my laptop works flawlessly xD for now ;D
2024-10-04 22:47:06	Antiz	Ena0: Hey hey :D
2024-10-04 22:47:09	Antiz	You're welcome :)
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2024-10-04 22:47:57	eyeoh	Ena0: yeah there's no perfect answer with nvidia card "ownership"*. I had reasons before for running it with binary drivers, and now my reasons have shifted so I'll give nouveau a go.
2024-10-04 22:48:00	Ena0	Antiz: right I'm stupid didn't read the file name. the first one  says xsession...
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2024-10-04 22:49:01	Antiz	Ena0: Don't call yourself stupid! That's called "learning" ;) :D
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2024-10-04 22:49:24	Ena0	Antiz: <3
2024-10-04 22:49:42	Antiz	<3
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2024-10-04 23:01:09	eyeoh	no one posted this one yet? https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/03/valve_sponsors_arch/ nice quips as usual from the register
2024-10-04 23:01:10	phrik	Title: Valve lends corporate sponsorship to Arch • The Register (at www.theregister.com)
2024-10-04 23:01:45	eyeoh	> "Forget the desktop: it's a dying market sector anyway. The Year of Linux On The Games Console is more significant, and that began back in 2021."
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2024-10-04 23:02:12	_ngn	"desktop is dying" LMAOO
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2024-10-04 23:03:07	eyeoh	it kind of is
2024-10-04 23:03:15	eyeoh	just a slow death
2024-10-04 23:04:28	eyeoh	I don't think most people I know use any desktops outside of work
2024-10-04 23:04:46	teraflops	phrik: give eyeoh offtopic
2024-10-04 23:04:47	phrik	eyeoh: Take it to #archlinux-offtopic
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2024-10-04 23:06:28	Ena0	eyeoh: Antiz: Thanks again I'm off see you everyone:)
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2024-10-05 00:57:16	teraflops	hmm I got nvidia-open-dkms to build with 6.12.0-rc1-1-mainline
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2024-10-05 01:00:26	Edu4rdSHL	I just want nvidia to release a bugfix release for the vram leak ffs
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2024-10-05 01:02:45	hussein1	if i have a computer with a graphics card, how can i launch wayland kwin over SSH?
2024-10-05 01:02:53	hussein1	from another computer
2024-10-05 01:04:14	Edu4rdSHL	hussein1, https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mstoeckl/waypipe
2024-10-05 01:04:15	phrik	Title: M. Stoeckl / Waypipe · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
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2024-10-05 01:04:25	teraflops	isn't krdp a thing?
2024-10-05 01:04:29	hussein1	no, i mean on the main computer
2024-10-05 01:04:36	hussein1	so i can then remote into it using RDP
2024-10-05 01:05:08	hussein1	i want to RDP in from a mac, and waypipe is linux only
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2024-10-05 01:05:29	bonob	freerdp?
2024-10-05 01:05:51	hussein1	sure, but I still need to start kwin on my desktop before that will work
2024-10-05 01:06:02	hussein1	and i want to find a way to launch kwin remotely
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2024-10-05 01:07:30	Edu4rdSHL	Just use Xorg then
2024-10-05 01:07:55	hussein1	it's really not supported on wayland?
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2024-10-05 01:40:39	ana_briated	not to the extent that Xorg supports it
2024-10-05 01:40:39	intelfx	GDM does support it since recently.
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2024-10-05 01:40:39	ana_briated	^ it does depend on the compositor
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2024-10-05 01:40:39	ana_briated	I forgot what the state of support on kwin is - I think I had to use an x11 session last I tried
2024-10-05 01:40:39	intelfx	Not just on the compositor, but rather on the display manager AND the session leader / compositor / shell.
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2024-10-05 01:40:39	intelfx	Ah, the curse of IRC: you come into a channel to ask a question about your own problem, see something else recently asked / discussed, and switch to that out of politeness or interest or both :-D
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2024-10-05 01:41:28	intelfx	Anyway... does someone know a way to render manpages in a browser, locally? Something like man/info KIO protocols, but without KDE, or something like man.archlinux.org, but without Internet
2024-10-05 01:42:33	intelfx	bonus points if it gives a prettified / navigatable rendition rather than just the manpage content dumped into a <pre> or something
2024-10-05 01:43:33	intelfx	...or `man --html`
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2024-10-05 01:52:11	okt	sorry I mistyped
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2024-10-05 02:02:16	codebecile	https://pastebin.com/6SuqnW8f
2024-10-05 02:02:17	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XEAg.txt
2024-10-05 02:02:17	phrik	Title: [ 6241.501182] [drm:amdgpu_dm_plane_helper_prepare_fb [amdgpu]] *ERROR* Failed t - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-10-05 02:02:19	codebecile	Is htis a known issue?
2024-10-05 02:02:34	codebecile	If not, I can give more details on my system and further logs.
2024-10-05 02:02:42	codebecile	I just want to know, based on just that, if you all have seen it.
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2024-10-05 02:35:59	ℹ 	Sub|gone es conocido ahora como SubWorx
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2024-10-05 02:53:17	red_man	hi all
2024-10-05 02:53:53	ponies	!hi
2024-10-05 02:53:54	phrik	HAI2U
2024-10-05 02:54:30	red_man	so does anyone have any thoughts on amd ryzen7 3700
2024-10-05 02:54:41	ponies	its rad 
2024-10-05 02:54:49	red_man	yeah
2024-10-05 02:55:34	red_man	cool this computer has intelcore2
2024-10-05 02:55:37	red_man	old
2024-10-05 02:56:25	red_man	man im so done with antiques
2024-10-05 02:56:39	ponies	you cant go wrong with the mid range ryzens they are always well priced, all the manufacturers are profiting from the premium users 
2024-10-05 02:57:29	red_man	yeah sounds alright this ryzen is in ahp laptop
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2024-10-05 02:57:40	red_man	that was given to me
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2024-10-05 03:43:25	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-10-05 03:43:25	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1420 apodos (2 ops, 0 voiced, 1418 regular)
2024-10-05 01:42:16	intelfx	Anyway... does someone know a way to render manpages in a browser, locally? Something like man/info KIO protocols, but without KDE, or something like man.archlinux.org, but without Internet
2024-10-05 01:43:21	intelfx	bonus points if it gives a prettified / navigatable rendition rather than just the manpage content dumped into a <pre> or something
2024-10-05 01:44:21	intelfx	...or `man --html`
2024-10-05 01:50:03	okt	fg
2024-10-05 01:52:33	intelfx	what's that?
2024-10-05 01:52:59	okt	sorry I mistyped
2024-10-05 02:03:04	codebecile	https://pastebin.com/6SuqnW8f
2024-10-05 02:03:05	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XEAg.txt
2024-10-05 02:03:05	phrik	Title: [ 6241.501182] [drm:amdgpu_dm_plane_helper_prepare_fb [amdgpu]] *ERROR* Failed t - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2024-10-05 02:03:07	codebecile	Is htis a known issue?
2024-10-05 02:03:22	codebecile	If not, I can give more details on my system and further logs.
2024-10-05 02:03:30	codebecile	I just want to know, based on just that, if you all have seen it.
2024-10-05 02:54:04	red_man	hi all
2024-10-05 02:54:40	ponies	!hi
2024-10-05 02:54:41	phrik	HAI2U
2024-10-05 02:55:17	red_man	so does anyone have any thoughts on amd ryzen7 3700
2024-10-05 02:55:28	ponies	its rad 
2024-10-05 02:55:36	red_man	yeah
2024-10-05 02:56:21	red_man	cool this computer has intelcore2
2024-10-05 02:56:24	red_man	old
2024-10-05 02:57:12	red_man	man im so done with antiques
2024-10-05 02:57:26	ponies	you cant go wrong with the mid range ryzens they are always well priced, all the manufacturers are profiting from the premium users 
2024-10-05 02:58:16	red_man	yeah sounds alright this ryzen is in ahp laptop
2024-10-05 02:58:27	red_man	that was given to me
2024-10-05 03:43:27	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-05 05:11:37	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-10-05 05:11:37	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1417 apodos (2 ops, 0 voiced, 1415 regular)
2024-10-05 04:59:34	feinedsquirrel	I can "makepkg -s" just fine for an aur package, but when I attempt to build in a clean chroot, yarn (a listed dependency) throws an error partway through. yarn prints that a log can be found in /tmp, but the filename it gives does not exist. Anyone here know a way to determine what exists on my main install that allows it to successfully build so I can install it in the chroot properly?
2024-10-05 05:00:50	mpan	feinedsquirrel: a sanity check: you do check in “/tmp” inside of the chroot, right? Not your host system’s “/tmp”?
2024-10-05 05:04:09	feinedsquirrel	Oh, der, good point. :facepalm: not there either, let me try from scratch
2024-10-05 05:05:35	feinedsquirrel	would it be under $CHROOT/root/tmp or $CHROOT/$USER/tmp? both are empty as well
2024-10-05 05:05:56	feinedsquirrel	s/would/should/
2024-10-05 05:06:42	feinedsquirrel	this is the line yarn prints: "➤ YN0009: │ better-sqlite3@npm:9.6.0 couldn't be built successfully (exit code 1, logs can be found here: /tmp/xfs-96261e0d/build.log)"
2024-10-05 05:07:26	mpan	The former. But if this is not the case, I have no ideas. You may try to modify PKGBUILD too, to print some additional debugging information for you: like `ls /tmp`. Perhaps you can also retrieve logs this way too, if any are actually created.
2024-10-05 05:08:09	feinedsquirrel	running $ sudo find $CHROOT -type f -iname "build.log" returned empty as well.
2024-10-05 05:08:48	m2x07	i'm using Gnome with wayland, and i checked gnome-shell is running using my dGPU which is sucking up my battery real quick. how can i run my gnomeshelll only through my iGPU?
2024-10-05 05:10:04	feinedsquirrel	mpan: great, thanks for the pointers, I'll see what I can do.
2024-10-05 05:10:36	mpan	Also, did you check if there is no mentions of similar problems in AUR, in this PKGBUILD’s entry?
2024-10-05 05:11:18	feinedsquirrel	m2x07: I assume this is on a laptop. It depends if your laptop has the display hard-wired to the dGPU or iGPU. The process is _much_ simpler if you can verify it is wired to the iGPU
2024-10-05 05:12:01	m2x07	feinedsquirrel, i am sure it is not. i previously used xorg on my igpu and only prime-run only when needed
2024-10-05 05:12:15	m2x07	but just to be fully sure, how would i properly check it?
2024-10-05 05:11:39	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-05 05:14:12	m2x07	feinedsquirrel, i have the 'fbdev' parameter for nvidia_drm enabled. could that be the reason?
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2024-10-05 05:15:56	feinedsquirrel	hardware spec sheet from the manufacturer. But if it was running cool (temp) and good battery before, then it works one way or the other. Just need to know for sure because if it is wired to the dGPU, you have to use pass-through (see the PRIME wiki page iirc) but if it is wired to the iGPU, there are ways to disable the dGPU. Note, in my personal case, Nvidia proprietary driver recently broke 
2024-10-05 05:16:02	feinedsquirrel	for me, and I had to resort to fully powering down the dGPU at boot, rather than using power management with the capability to wake up the card with prime-run. The issue I was having was when I close the lid, the laptop would fail entering s2idle. This started in the past few weeks for me. I'm on wayland, non-gnome. my experience, ymmv
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2024-10-05 05:16:16	feinedsquirrel	fbdev is out of my knowledge, sorry.
2024-10-05 05:16:51	m2x07	i see
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2024-10-05 05:17:13	feinedsquirrel	mpan: I just checked the comments in the aur, and I had forgetten some that I had made myself. I thought I had it fixed, but I'll try a few more things with that reminder.
2024-10-05 05:17:41	m2x07	i've been using this device since 2 years now. never faced this before but only after i switched to wayland. pretty sure i messed up something from my site
2024-10-05 05:17:44	m2x07	side*
2024-10-05 05:19:35	raijin	sounds like the lid isn't being read correctly
2024-10-05 05:19:45	raijin	can you wev the lid to check
2024-10-05 05:20:11	raijin	see what it emits, then check your config against the lid signal
2024-10-05 05:20:27	raijin	m2x07: 
2024-10-05 05:20:40	m2x07	i did not get what you meant, sorry
2024-10-05 05:21:42	feinedsquirrel	mpan: I had brought over two changes I had made locally to the PKGBUILD, but must have missed the 3rd, that was the reason for my discussion with the dev in the aur before. Thanks for the tip to check back there, it is all sorted now! :)
2024-10-05 05:22:50	mpan	!next
2024-10-05 05:22:51	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2024-10-05 05:25:28	feinedsquirrel	raijin: were you asking me about my lid switch?
2024-10-05 05:26:04	raijin	oh yea
2024-10-05 05:26:13	raijin	misfire
2024-10-05 05:26:52	raijin	m2x07: the lid emits a signal when closed to wayland, in this case.  wev is the wayland equivalent of xev, it is a terminal program that simply outputs signal information for inputs.  you can use that tool to cross reference the setting in your configuration which activates sleep mode, maybe it changed from some other default, or misconfigured.  Sorry this was for feinedsquirrel, which he
2024-10-05 05:26:54	raijin	already probably knows lol
2024-10-05 05:27:03	feinedsquirrel	haha, no problem. Not inclined to believe it is the lid switch, because when I uninstalled nvidia entirely, and powered down the pci bus, it was entering s2idle just fine
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2024-10-05 05:49:34	chikuwasuka	feinedsquirrel: i imagine it'd depend on your setup; i do not have them enabled, but i use hybrid graphics ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2024-10-05 05:50:18	just_me	feinedsquirrel, look up Artix if you are interested in alternatives
2024-10-05 05:51:02	raijin	feinedsquirrel: the distro is named oberon, and it's a little fiddly but it's arch, without systemd
2024-10-05 05:51:12	raijin	a few other distros do the same
2024-10-05 05:51:24	raijin	arch based, so offtopic
2024-10-05 05:51:47	feinedsquirrel	just_me: thanks for the tip, but I've been using arch for 4+ years, and not going anywhere. :) raijin: good to know about, at least, for discussions with work friends who also use linux.
2024-10-05 05:52:30	raijin	feinedsquirrel: it's still fully arch, like the only packages you need are the ones that require reconfig 
2024-10-05 05:52:33	feinedsquirrel	chikuwasuka: huh, I'll have to give it another go, when I get some time. maybe in a week or two, things are kinda crazy right now
2024-10-05 05:53:12	raijin	I use hybrid graphics too, I've just forced nvidia with env variables
2024-10-05 05:53:17	feinedsquirrel	chikuwasuka: what laptop do you have? mine is the dell xps 9500
2024-10-05 05:54:06	raijin	asus g14 here
2024-10-05 05:54:22	m2x07	doesn't it affect your battery life?
2024-10-05 05:54:46	raijin	sure but the amdgpu has such tiny video memory
2024-10-05 05:54:58	feinedsquirrel	raijin: does /sys/bus/pci/devices/<card>/power_state report D3cold?
2024-10-05 05:55:00	chikuwasuka	feinedsquirrel: lenovo loq, 13th gen intel + nvidia
2024-10-05 05:55:04	raijin	I need a new battery at this point anyway
2024-10-05 05:55:08	feinedsquirrel	haha!
2024-10-05 05:55:40	feinedsquirrel	I do too. Dell battery controllers are garbage
2024-10-05 05:55:49	just_me	feinedsquirrel, Artix is arch...just without systemd
2024-10-05 05:56:08	feinedsquirrel	*need a new battery too
2024-10-05 05:56:55	feinedsquirrel	just_me:  good to know
2024-10-05 05:57:25	raijin	looks like d3hot
2024-10-05 06:00:06	feinedsquirrel	raijin: I believe that means it is powered on in a low power state. I had it reliably entering D3cold, entering D0 when using prime-run, until a couple weeks ago when the sleep issues started. 
2024-10-05 06:00:37	raijin	hmm, interesting
2024-10-05 06:00:50	chikuwasuka	my gpu goes to d3hot on ac power, and d3cold on battery, because i have it set that way.
2024-10-05 06:01:22	chikuwasuka	not much reason to care too much about power saving with a laptop unless it's on battery 
2024-10-05 06:02:02	raijin	right
2024-10-05 06:04:27	feinedsquirrel	raijin: is yours a 1650? a month or two back 20x (and 1650) had to add 'options nvidia "NVreg_EnableGpuFirmware=0"' in addition to the NVreg_DynamicPowerManagement line in the wiki to keep using D3cold. chikuwasuka: what are the env vars you use? I do prefer D3cold on ac power just so temps stay lower easier, but I am interested in your setup. But, you likely are using a much new architecture 
2024-10-05 06:04:28	raijin	ok thankks guys
2024-10-05 06:04:31	raijin	https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/pci.txt
2024-10-05 06:04:33	feinedsquirrel	than my 1650 (turing?)
2024-10-05 06:04:43	raijin	ii have a 2060, also turing
2024-10-05 06:05:14	raijin	so that's why I'm suddenly getting firmware errors
2024-10-05 06:06:59	feinedsquirrel	yeah, I think they did something in the proprietary drivers targeting the newer architectures, making it more difficult for the older cards. Power management is handled automatically (I believe) in 30xx cards (ampere?) but we have to do manual stuff to get it to work on Turing. Pre-turing, it isn't even possible, according to the wiki
2024-10-05 06:08:50	chikuwasuka	feinedsquirrel: no env vars, i just configured tlp to do that. and yeah it's a 3050 so rtd3 just works (except when i broke it for a month by changing a setting in windows lmao)
2024-10-05 06:09:09	raijin	so yeah, I am installing acpid, thanks to your chat feinedsquirrel . <3
2024-10-05 06:10:31	feinedsquirrel	haha, my pleasure. Looks like I'll be installing it, too. chikuwasuka: is your tlp config shareable?
2024-10-05 06:10:58	feinedsquirrel	(I'm unfamiliar with tlp, I just know that it is a thing)
2024-10-05 06:21:38	chikuwasuka	feinedsquirrel: if RUNTIME_PM_ON_AC=auto; RUNTIME_PM_ON_BAT=auto doesn't suffice, let me know. there are some known issues where the sound device associated with the nvidia gpu (usually 01:00.1; the gpu itself is 01:00.0) can prevent this and needs to be blacklisted, but i wouldn't expect it to be difficult.
2024-10-05 06:24:53	chikuwasuka	oh w.r.t. your earlier question i don't know if it'll have problems with s2idle, since i don't use that.
2024-10-05 06:25:48	feinedsquirrel	👍 thanks for the tips. I'll check it out. If not s2idle, what do you use? I would love to use s3sleep if my firmware allowed it.
2024-10-05 06:27:06	feinedsquirrel	I've had hibernate fully functional in the past, but it wore out the nand flash too quickly. I didn't give it a big enough space to wear-level enough. started failing after maybe 18 months, some several hundred gigabytes written :shrug:
2024-10-05 06:27:10	chikuwasuka	i do use s3. i trust you've tried to get to work by patching already.
2024-10-05 06:27:22	chikuwasuka	but plenty of recent laptops it's just impossible.
2024-10-05 06:28:52	chikuwasuka	hibernate is functional, but the main reason i only use it in emergencies (battery <5%) is that it's slower to hibernate and resume than just shutting down :þ
2024-10-05 06:29:12	chikuwasuka	ssd endurance is a bit of a lottery sometimes.
2024-10-05 06:31:22	feinedsquirrel	jealous of your s3. What are you referencing when you assume I've tried patching? kernel, firmware, or something else?
2024-10-05 06:32:44	chikuwasuka	feinedsquirrel: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DSDT
2024-10-05 06:32:45	phrik	Title: DSDT - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-05 06:33:27	chikuwasuka	since i didn't have to do it myself, i can't really provide any help on that process.
2024-10-05 06:35:45	feinedsquirrel	I haven't come across that wiki page, at least not consciously. I'll take a look. Thanks for the pointer!
2024-10-05 06:37:17	feinedsquirrel	I will say, I tried severl tricks in Windows 10 directly to force s3 (the firmware has a toggle to "force disable s3", so at some level, I thought it should work) but even windows would fail to properly exit what I assume was at least a partial s3 state (display completely off, but machine very much alive).
2024-10-05 09:08:03	kode54	hmm
2024-10-05 09:08:09	kode54	linux-lts is now two versions behind
2024-10-05 09:22:45	predicament	okay kernel 6.11.1 so that means bye bye gamepad, i wonder what messed up
2024-10-05 09:23:49	predicament	using xone-0.3-r57.g29ec357
2024-10-05 09:26:15	archdemon	there should be 6.11.2 out now
2024-10-05 09:26:30	archdemon	well
2024-10-05 09:26:34	archdemon	my bad in testing
2024-10-05 09:26:42	archdemon	nevermind then
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2024-10-05 10:21:53	Edu4rdSHL	predicament, why not use xpadneo
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2024-10-05 11:38:57	morteza24	I'm following the NVIDIA wiki page, at one point it says to verify that DRM is actually enabled, I should execute the following: `cat /sys/module/nvidia_drm/parameters/modeset`. but no such file exists in my system.
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2024-10-05 11:39:47	morteza24	I have installed nvidia-390xx-dkms from AUR and set the modeset=1 kernel module parameter for the nvidia_drm module.
2024-10-05 11:40:56	Ena0	morteza24: dkms status
2024-10-05 11:41:24	morteza24	empty output
2024-10-05 11:41:34	Ena0	morteza24: Yeah so you havent installed it xd
2024-10-05 11:41:43	Ena0	Thats why there's no file :D
2024-10-05 11:41:53	Ena0	morteza24: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dynamic_Kernel_Module_Support
2024-10-05 11:41:55	phrik	Title: Dynamic Kernel Module Support - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-05 11:42:31	Ena0	So I guess you've just installed the package with pacman. You need to install all your headers etc
2024-10-05 11:42:32	morteza24	that's weird
2024-10-05 11:43:06	morteza24	I ran makepkg -s for nvidia-390xx-dkms. It should've installed dkms as a dependency
2024-10-05 11:43:29	teraflops	you do need kernel headers
2024-10-05 11:44:13	morteza24	thanks a lot
2024-10-05 11:44:25	teraflops	morteza24: for your current kernel
2024-10-05 11:45:02	Erus_Iluvatar	it's in the optional dependencies of dkms, it will depend on which kernel you're running
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2024-10-05 11:45:17	morteza24	I use the linux kenel
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2024-10-05 11:45:28	morteza24	I understand. thank you for helping
2024-10-05 11:45:50	Ena0	morteza24: So just get linux-headers
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2024-10-05 11:47:07	morteza24	<3
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2024-10-05 14:26:23	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-05 13:50:50	frostschutz	/dev/vg/home and /dev/mapper/vg-home should be the same device. then you don't have LUKS on that. or perhaps the entire PV is LUKS
2024-10-05 13:54:01	krumelmonster	frostschutz: true, they're the same symlink to dm-3. But I didn't lie vg is unencrypted contains luks that is dm-3, and dm-3 contains the home partition
2024-10-05 13:58:35	frostschutz	check with lsblk
2024-10-05 13:59:19	eyeoh	when dealing with partitions, especially when lvm is involved; I think it's worth trying out various combinations of things within a VM
2024-10-05 14:04:49	susi	no time or resources to try things in a vm
2024-10-05 14:26:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-05 14:30:27	eyeoh	it usually saves time, but yolo is an option too
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2024-10-05 14:46:57	krumelmonster	frostschutz: Please believe me^^ https://0x0.st/XEMG.txt (afk)
2024-10-05 14:49:04	krumelmonster	yes there is one called "vg-root" but its not mounted; / is sdb2
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2024-10-05 15:16:23	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-05 15:14:44	frostschutz	krumelmonster, yes, so this is LVM on LUKS, the entire PV is encrypted, not each LV individually. in this case the lvextend --fs options would also have worked
2024-10-05 15:15:34	phrik	Title: CUPS - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-05 15:16:23	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-05 16:54:28	predicament	xone-git being replaced by xone-git-dlundqvist seems to compile
2024-10-05 16:54:41	predicament	nice
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2024-10-05 19:08:55	Abdullah	Can you tell me about arch linux fully encrypted install? I have been using LUKS with lvm and ext4 filesystems. Recently there are more options available. which one is recommended?
2024-10-05 19:09:02	ℹ 	acn es conocido ahora como AntiComposite
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2024-10-05 19:13:46	eyeoh	Abdullah: as with nearly everything, it depends on what you need and want
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2024-10-05 19:15:42	Abdullah	eyeoh: I want a fully encrypted OS. 
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2024-10-05 19:17:33	MrElendig	lvm in luks works fine
2024-10-05 19:17:37	MrElendig	+still
2024-10-05 19:20:29	demonicmaniac1	anything using hardware will always be dependent on you trusting the hw to implement encryption securely with non buggy firmware and no leaks of keys anywhere etc looking at opal as full system encryption on the drive level
2024-10-05 19:20:42	demonicmaniac1	the wiki does list the pros and cons for different methods
2024-10-05 19:21:41	Abdullah	Hmm. I'll check wiki again
2024-10-05 19:22:08	connstruct	I wouldn't trust any hardware SSD encryption implementation.
2024-10-05 19:22:34	connstruct	They've been found again and again to be useless because of lazy manufacturers.
2024-10-05 19:23:04	MrElendig	there is also the fsencrypt/similar route
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2024-10-05 19:29:31	Abdullah	should I create two partitions for boot? /boot and /efi as someone suggested that. 
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2024-10-05 19:29:58	Abdullah	I have a 256G SSD. and want to use luks on lvm
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2024-10-05 19:30:22	Abdullah	with no dual boot. arch will be the only OS
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2024-10-05 19:31:20	ℹ 	SubWorx es conocido ahora como Sub|gone
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2024-10-05 19:31:59	MrElendig	I wouldn't
2024-10-05 19:32:11	MrElendig	but then again I prefer to just throw the kernel onto the esp
2024-10-05 19:33:06	Abdullah	so only two partitions? one for esp, one for lvm?
2024-10-05 19:33:38	MrElendig	up to you but that is what I do
2024-10-05 19:34:02	MrElendig	can use secureboot to protect the kernel/initrd from most attackers
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2024-10-05 19:35:29	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-05 19:35:39	MrElendig	keeping the kernel on the esp also avoids "having" to use grub
2024-10-05 19:36:12	Betal	is there some fullscreen capture bug going on? I open tuxkart in fullscreen, when I try to capture in OBS the game freeze
2024-10-05 19:35:29	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-10-05 19:35:45	Betal	using KDE, wayland, nvidia
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2024-10-05 19:36:51	Abdullah	MrElendig: are you using efistub?
2024-10-05 19:37:09	Abdullah	That's what I plan to use 
2024-10-05 19:37:38	MrElendig	no, way too inconvenient
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2024-10-05 19:38:19	MrElendig	if you never ever have to change boot options or use more than one kernel it's fine though
2024-10-05 19:38:28	MrElendig	assuming the firmware isn't also broken
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2024-10-05 19:38:50	Abdullah	systemd-boot?
2024-10-05 19:38:56	MrElendig	most of the time
2024-10-05 19:39:03	Abdullah	<3
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2024-10-05 19:39:13	Abdullah	!next
2024-10-05 19:39:13	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
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2024-10-05 19:39:49	MrElendig	stub with an uki can be the best choice for a sb setup though
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2024-10-05 19:40:05	MrElendig	best/easiest
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2024-10-05 19:41:32	Abdullah	MrElendig: uki?
2024-10-05 19:41:50	MrElendig	unified kernel image
2024-10-05 19:41:53	another|	!aw uki
2024-10-05 19:41:54	phrik	another|: No results found.
2024-10-05 19:42:02	MrElendig	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_kernel_image
2024-10-05 19:42:03	phrik	Title: Unified kernel image - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-10-05 19:42:28	another|	wat? uki is a redirect on the wiki
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2024-10-05 19:42:47	another|	why doesn't this work on phrik ?
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2024-10-05 19:42:50	Betal	if I alt tab, "it works", when get focus again, freeze
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2024-10-05 19:46:51	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-05 20:18:45	ℹ 	vimicito es conocido ahora como weeb
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2024-10-05 20:25:24	DrNoone	Hi! I'm trying to fix a broken AUR package. Is this the right channel to ask a few questions?
2024-10-05 20:26:07	obb	shoot
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2024-10-05 20:27:20	⚡ 	MrElendig points bfg2000 at obb
2024-10-05 20:27:37	MrElendig	9000*
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2024-10-05 20:27:55	obb	why are you pointing at me?
2024-10-05 20:28:19	DrNoone	The package is this: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/qnx-modules-dkms. It's just module support for QNX4/6 filesystems. The problem is that, instead of getting the source from torvalds repo, the creators copied /fs/qnx4 and /fs/qnx6 to their own repo wich is outdated.
2024-10-05 20:28:36	◣	IZEASG (~gfv@190.162.220.19) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2024-10-05 20:28:48	DrNoone	Is there a proper way of using linux sources to build a package?
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2024-10-05 20:30:15	obb	you could try editing the pkgfile during install and replace the url and the git hash
2024-10-05 20:30:32	obb	or create a pull request for them
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2024-10-05 20:31:28	DrNoone	Thanks. I'll try that. I'd like to solve the problem for everyone, not just for me. That's why I'm asking which is the proper way to do it.
2024-10-05 20:31:31	MrElendig	https://github.com/sickcodes/qnx-modules?tab=readme-ov-file#internal-use-only ?
2024-10-05 20:31:32	phrik	Title: GitHub - sickcodes/qnx-modules: QNX FileSystem Kernel Modules (qnx-modules-dkms) (at github.com)
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2024-10-05 20:32:57	obb	DrNoone: maybe you can convince the guy to use the official sources in future releases
2024-10-05 20:34:47	◣	theyneversleep (~byrQGeixB@user/spareproject) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2024-10-05 20:34:59	MrElendig	probably a good reason why he don't
2024-10-05 20:35:06	MrElendig	aka don't want to have to maintain it
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2024-10-05 20:35:39	obb	Maybe you can convince him to hand the package over to you
2024-10-05 20:35:57	obb	if you want to maintain it
2024-10-05 20:36:02	MrElendig	I ment the actual code
2024-10-05 20:36:21	MrElendig	it's not been touched on github for two years
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2024-10-05 20:38:24	obb	I mean this one: https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/?h=qnx-modules-dkms
2024-10-05 20:39:11	DrNoone	MrElendig: You're rigth, perhaps it was only for internal use
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2024-10-05 20:41:20	teraflops	I got HDR in gnome \o/
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2024-10-05 20:53:24	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-10-05 20:53:24	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1455 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1454 regular)
2024-10-05 20:26:09	DrNoone	Hi! I'm trying to fix a broken AUR package. Is this the right channel to ask a few questions?
2024-10-05 20:26:53	obb	shoot
2024-10-05 20:28:05	⚡ 	MrElendig points bfg2000 at obb
2024-10-05 20:28:23	MrElendig	9000*
2024-10-05 20:28:41	obb	why are you pointing at me?
2024-10-05 20:29:05	DrNoone	The package is this: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/qnx-modules-dkms. It's just module support for QNX4/6 filesystems. The problem is that, instead of getting the source from torvalds repo, the creators copied /fs/qnx4 and /fs/qnx6 to their own repo wich is outdated.
2024-10-05 20:29:34	DrNoone	Is there a proper way of using linux sources to build a package?
2024-10-05 20:31:00	obb	you could try editing the pkgfile during install and replace the url and the git hash
2024-10-05 20:31:18	obb	or create a pull request for them
2024-10-05 20:32:14	DrNoone	Thanks. I'll try that. I'd like to solve the problem for everyone, not just for me. That's why I'm asking which is the proper way to do it.
2024-10-05 20:32:17	MrElendig	https://github.com/sickcodes/qnx-modules?tab=readme-ov-file#internal-use-only ?
2024-10-05 20:32:18	phrik	Title: GitHub - sickcodes/qnx-modules: QNX FileSystem Kernel Modules (qnx-modules-dkms) (at github.com)
2024-10-05 20:33:43	obb	DrNoone: maybe you can convince the guy to use the official sources in future releases
2024-10-05 20:35:45	MrElendig	probably a good reason why he don't
2024-10-05 20:35:51	MrElendig	aka don't want to have to maintain it
2024-10-05 20:36:25	obb	Maybe you can convince him to hand the package over to you
2024-10-05 20:36:42	obb	if you want to maintain it
2024-10-05 20:36:47	MrElendig	I ment the actual code
2024-10-05 20:37:07	MrElendig	it's not been touched on github for two years
2024-10-05 20:39:10	obb	I mean this one: https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/?h=qnx-modules-dkms
2024-10-05 20:39:57	DrNoone	MrElendig: You're rigth, perhaps it was only for internal use
2024-10-05 20:42:06	teraflops	I got HDR in gnome \o/
2024-10-05 20:53:26	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-05 20:57:08	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, :D
2024-10-05 20:58:14	teraflops	Edu4rdSHL: only works properly with the nvidia output of my laptop ^^
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2024-10-05 22:12:07	ayr-ton	teraflops: how did you make it? The HDR?
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2024-10-05 22:13:10	ℹ 	low-key_ es conocido ahora como low-key
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2024-10-05 22:15:35	teraflops	ayr-ton: it only works right now with external monitors, https://bepasty.priet.us/pLqeCYJ2/+inline
2024-10-05 22:16:32	teraflops	ayr-ton: when you enable it, the monitor OSD should show HDR
2024-10-05 22:17:35	teraflops	then to test some video use: ENABLE_HDR_WSI=1 mpv --no-config --vo=gpu-next --target-colorspace-hint --gpu-api=vulkan --gpu-context=waylandvk
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2024-10-05 22:18:06	teraflops	or change your mpv config to have those options ( I did and I do have hw decoding)
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2024-10-05 22:19:10	demonicmaniac1	do the vulkan decode paths support hdr as well or is that still only vaapi paths?
2024-10-05 22:19:34	teraflops	I only testetd vulkan and it really works
2024-10-05 22:20:00	demonicmaniac1	ah i meant hwdecode=vulkan not gpu-api/vo
2024-10-05 22:20:32	teraflops	to double check HDR you can run e.g  drm_info | grep HDR
2024-10-05 22:20:37	demonicmaniac1	with your --noconfig hwdecode would be auto
2024-10-05 22:20:50	demonicmaniac1	wonder if it tries vulkan then first or vaapi
2024-10-05 22:20:58	teraflops	I changed it to my own config and I do get hw dec
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2024-10-05 22:21:34	teraflops	https://bepasty.priet.us/bLghW63u/+inline
2024-10-05 22:21:50	demonicmaniac1	neat
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2024-10-05 22:24:10	teraflops	the downside os vulkan is that it only supports (hwdec) av1 h265 and iirc h264
2024-10-05 22:24:14	teraflops	os/of
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2024-10-05 22:30:11	another|	hwdec=vulkan,auto-safe
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2024-10-05 22:33:07	teraflops	ill try that, thanks
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2024-10-05 22:55:04	demonicmaniac1	teraflops: for me the downside of vulkan is that it uses 400mb+ of vram on my igpu vs vaapi 50mb :D
2024-10-05 22:55:37	teraflops	ouch
2024-10-05 22:55:47	demonicmaniac1	as well as radeonsi+amdgpu on my vega igp using mpv with vulkan vo+decode causing stuttering in blender
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2024-10-05 22:57:48	demonicmaniac1	i assume vulkan hwdecode and vo just fights with blender for gpu resources whereas vaapi and gl vo does mostly use the vce only
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2024-10-05 23:28:25	birkoff	smartctl show up my drive has Uncorrectable offline sector/unreadable pending sectors , here are the attributes, can I fix this or is the drive dying? https://dpaste.com/HN6G4X2CU
2024-10-05 23:28:30	phrik	Title: dpaste: HN6G4X2CU (at dpaste.com)
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2024-10-05 23:46:25	ℹ 	Juesto es conocido ahora como Juest
2024-10-05 23:46:27	Betal	birkoff: Current_Pending_Sector are sectors that it could not read, these need some write to stop being pending. Offline_Uncorrectable are sectors that are gone. When it try to write to Pending sector, if the sector is bad, it will become a offline uncorrectable.
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2024-10-06 00:02:26	zayd	how do i mount drives being mounted as noexec from /etc/fstab?
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2024-10-06 00:05:04	Namarrgon	Add 'noexec' to the options field
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2024-10-06 00:06:10	zayd	Namarrgon: i want the drive to not be mounted as noexec
2024-10-06 00:06:16	zayd	the problem is that it is being mounted as noexec
2024-10-06 00:06:20	zayd	despite that option not being present
2024-10-06 00:07:29	jb1277976	How can i open HEIC files ?
2024-10-06 00:07:48	zayd	only options are rw,user,nofail for that drive
2024-10-06 00:07:49	demonicmaniac1	zayd: then you're likely mounting it with user option which implies noexec,nosuid
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2024-10-06 00:08:06	zayd	i thought the user option was for allowing user mounting/unmounting?
2024-10-06 00:08:12	bluetail	jb1277976 u need app that has codec and then u open it
2024-10-06 00:08:14	zayd	by non-superuser
2024-10-06 00:08:28	demonicmaniac1	simply append exec after nofail to have it mounted as exec
2024-10-06 00:08:43	demonicmaniac1	user implies noexec,nosuid but you can override it with explicit exec after
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2024-10-06 00:09:30	zayd	is there any way to set it to exec for now without unmounting the drive?
2024-10-06 00:09:34	zayd	also i did add it to fstab
2024-10-06 00:11:02	Namarrgon	you can "-o remount,exec" it
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2024-10-06 00:13:32	demonicmaniac1	libheif is optional for imagemagick/graphicsmagick
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2024-10-06 00:14:08	demonicmaniac1	gimp depends on libheif tho to open/edit heif
2024-10-06 00:15:49	demonicmaniac1	again - feh uses imlib2 which has libheif as optional dep
2024-10-06 00:16:06	demonicmaniac1	so unless he has something like gimp that actively pulled in libheif it won't :)
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2024-10-06 00:18:29	zayd	Namarrgon: thanks
2024-10-06 00:18:54	demonicmaniac1	you can just pacman -Qi libheif to see what pulled it in for you
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2024-10-06 00:18:55	zayd	also, how would i make it so my main user can mount/unmount/remount without sudo, since the user option didn't do that
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2024-10-06 00:19:02	demonicmaniac1	imagemagick and imlib2 have libheif as optional dep
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2024-10-06 00:20:57	demonicmaniac1	gimp and transitively blender via openimageio and graphviz via gd pull in libheif as well
2024-10-06 00:20:59	Namarrgon	zayd: That's what the user/users options do.
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2024-10-06 00:21:29	ian|	Hello. I unfortunately deleted /etc/groups and /etc/groups_ a while ago. I attempted to recreate the file by grepping my disk, but I didn't get it quite right. Now I get pacman hook errors
2024-10-06 00:21:35	zayd	Namarrgon: well i REALLY messed up the fstab file then because the option is there
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2024-10-06 00:21:55	demonicmaniac1	oh well there's an image viewer then definitely supporting it pulling in all the deps directly :)
2024-10-06 00:22:14	Namarrgon	zayd: what is in fstab?
2024-10-06 00:22:34	zayd	Namarrgon: for this drive, "UUID=fabb2273-45e5-4553-b09e-b26fac21fdcf /mnt/SATA.HDD.001 btrfs rw,user,nofail,exec 0 2"
2024-10-06 00:22:58	Namarrgon	zayd: How are you mounting it?
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2024-10-06 00:23:25	Namarrgon	Is that an external disk?
2024-10-06 00:23:27	zayd	it mounts at boot time
2024-10-06 00:23:38	zayd	Namarrgon: it's in my case connected via sata
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2024-10-06 00:23:46	Namarrgon	So it is an internal disk?
2024-10-06 00:23:51	zayd	it used to be on an external sata connector on usb, but now it's internal
2024-10-06 00:24:07	demonicmaniac1	what are the permissions on the mount point
2024-10-06 00:24:21	Namarrgon	Why do you want to let a user mount it instead on-boot/on-demand?
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2024-10-06 00:24:42	zayd	Namarrgon: i want to be able to remount it or unmount if needed, like in situations like this
2024-10-06 00:24:59	zayd	demonicmaniac1: 0777/drwxrwxrwx, which probably isn't good, but that's how it's set right now
2024-10-06 00:25:00	Namarrgon	You can't do that with a non-root user.
2024-10-06 00:25:24	zayd	i probably did that while troubleshooting libvirt problems with an external disk
2024-10-06 00:25:33	zayd	Namarrgon: ah, that sucks
2024-10-06 00:25:38	Namarrgon	If a non-root user is able to edit fstab then all security measures are void.
2024-10-06 00:25:56	zayd	Namarrgon: huh? i don't want a non-root user editing fstab, just being able to mount/unmount
2024-10-06 00:26:06	Namarrgon	What for?
2024-10-06 00:26:44	zayd	as i just said, being able to reload if there's something that needed an edit in fstab, obviously edited on root
2024-10-06 00:26:55	zayd	or to take out the drive if needed for the usb drives if needed
2024-10-06 00:27:16	zayd	accidentally said if needed a second time but you get the point
2024-10-06 00:27:26	Namarrgon	But you already had to elevate privileges to edit fstab, why the added complexity to now re-mount it as non-root?
2024-10-06 00:27:39	zayd	yeah i guess, fair enough
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2024-10-06 00:28:24	Namarrgon	user/users is a security risk, use it sparingly.
2024-10-06 00:28:41	demonicmaniac1	mounting as user with the /etc/fstab options is possible if the mountpoint is owned by the user - and unmounting as well but not changing mount options
2024-10-06 00:28:42	Namarrgon	The entire suid 'mount' binary is a security risk.
2024-10-06 00:28:55	zayd	Namarrgon: should be fine on a single user machine with the user/s option, right?
2024-10-06 00:29:00	zayd	or would it be best to remove it
2024-10-06 00:29:15	zayd	i doubt any malware would choose to target unmounting an existing drive either
2024-10-06 00:29:32	Namarrgon	But that isn't a single user machine, you have a bajillion users running on that systems.
2024-10-06 00:29:32	demonicmaniac1	for external stuff i'd just use fusermount
2024-10-06 00:29:46	Namarrgon	Just ask ian| how many there actually are!
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2024-10-06 00:30:06	Namarrgon	ian|: Reinstall all packages, then find all files that are not owned by a group.
2024-10-06 00:30:29	zayd	Namarrgon: I meant single user as in "one human being who actually uses the computer", but fair point
2024-10-06 00:30:29	Namarrgon	ian|: chown them to the new group, if the group id changed.
2024-10-06 00:30:44	ian|	reinstalling, base for example, fixes some groups?
2024-10-06 00:30:55	Namarrgon	ian|: no but it recreates the groups
2024-10-06 00:31:05	ian|	ok
2024-10-06 00:31:15	Namarrgon	For dynamically assigned groupids the id will change.
2024-10-06 00:31:46	Namarrgon	zayd: Your browser runs in the same user context, it can mount and umount your filesystems now.
2024-10-06 00:32:45	ian|	it's not letting me reinstall filesystem
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2024-10-06 00:33:33	ian|	probably don't need to
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2024-10-06 00:33:56	Namarrgon	"ERROR: nope, i don't wanna"?
2024-10-06 00:34:16	Namarrgon	Not all of us are mind readers...
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2024-10-06 00:34:20	zayd	Namarrgon: I'm aware, but I can't think of any scenario in which it would be useful for a bad actor to either mount or unmount an existing fs instead of encrypting all my stuff or installing something I don't want
2024-10-06 00:34:41	zayd	either way it's probably best to keep it as root as a safety measure from user re
2024-10-06 00:34:44	zayd	error
2024-10-06 00:34:59	zayd	but i don't see it as a massive security hole outside of that
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2024-10-06 00:35:53	jb1277976	mingdao: it was for gwnview i had to install some optinal depenancies and now its working fine
2024-10-06 00:35:56	jb1277976	Thanks
2024-10-06 00:36:11	ian|	Namarrgon: i skipped filesystem, it was an error about overwriting an existing directory. but, this is what i get installing everything else in base: https://pastebin.com/1Uy8SU8u
2024-10-06 00:36:12	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XEeb.txt
2024-10-06 00:36:13	phrik	Title: created groups...Creating group 'systemd-resolve' with GID 960.Creating gr - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2024-10-06 00:37:54	Namarrgon	Was the system up-to-date?
2024-10-06 00:38:00	ian|	yes
2024-10-06 00:38:19	ian|	that's the error i've been getting since i destroyed /etc/groups, Failed to parse ACL
2024-10-06 00:39:09	Namarrgon	Are you booted into this system or chrooted?
2024-10-06 00:39:15	ian|	Booted
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2024-10-06 00:42:20	Namarrgon	ian|: Did you reboot the system inbetween of lowing /etc/groups and now?
2024-10-06 00:42:25	Namarrgon	*losing
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2024-10-06 00:45:15	ian|	yeah
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2024-10-06 00:45:28	jb1277976	mingdao: yea that one
2024-10-06 00:45:58	ian|	I've ignored the "Failed to parse ACL" errors that occur on installing some packages for many weeks
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2024-10-06 00:48:15	Namarrgon	ian|: Does the "groups" group exist in /etc/group?
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2024-10-06 01:06:56	jb1277976	trying to find the arch way to do this.. if i want a package say from the aur or somwhere how do i build it.. are there docs for it ?
2024-10-06 01:07:11	jb1277976	s/say/build/
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2024-10-06 01:08:00	Namarrgon	!aw aur
2024-10-06 01:08:02	phrik	Namarrgon: Aur - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Aur
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2024-10-06 01:13:21	zayd	Are there any good CD rippers for Linux or work well with Wine that put accuracy first and do AccurateRip logs? Exact Audio Copy has slowed down a lot for me and I can't find out why. I can't use whipper because my drive has too much of an offset for it to work well, according to an error it gave.
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2024-10-06 01:15:20	BertoX	Hello, can someone knows the differences in how are detected usb devices by Archlinux and Ubuntu please ? In fact how/why a device is not even detected as plugged in in archlinux, when it works like a charm in Ubuntu by just plug the device in ?
2024-10-06 01:16:46	◣	HawkinsTheWizard (~HawkinsTh@102.130.113.94) ha salido (Remote host closed the connection)
2024-10-06 01:17:21	zayd	BertoX: Have you checked the output of `lsusb`? It's in the `usbutils` package
2024-10-06 01:17:35	Namarrgon	What is printed to the kernel log when you plug it in?
2024-10-06 01:17:48	Namarrgon	zayd: Did you check the list on the wiki?
2024-10-06 01:17:49	marc2377	Hi. The page/section at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Makepkg#Running_with_idle_scheduling_policy says: "The SCHED_IDLE policy can be set by running chrt(1) command with the -i flag, specifying priority 0 (the only valid option for SCHED_IDLE) and specifying the PID of the current shell." "For most shellsFor most shells: chrt -iap 0 $$". >> Tip: You can apply this command for every build by
2024-10-06 01:17:49	marc2377	placing it into makepkg.conf. <<
2024-10-06 01:17:50	phrik	Title: makepkg - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-06 01:17:59	Scimmia	and what does 'not even detected as plugged in' mean?
2024-10-06 01:18:22	marc2377	My question is, how - or more specifically, where in the 'makepkg.conf' file does that option go?
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2024-10-06 01:18:40	zayd	Namarrgon: I checked it and went to the HydrogenAudio wiki instead as it has a more detailed table of ripping features. I'm installing cyanrip right now to check if that fits my needs
2024-10-06 01:18:44	BertoX	zayd, yes, to resume, When I plug the device when running archlinux, It is like I did not plugged in it AT ALL. Nothin. Plug the same device on same host (testsed all usb ports), the device is detected and woks as expected 
2024-10-06 01:19:07	zayd	So it's not showing up in lsusb at all?
2024-10-06 01:19:22	Scimmia	BertoX: what are you expecting to happen, exactly?
2024-10-06 01:19:37	BertoX	no. udeveadm monitor : not even a line. dmesg / journald : nothing
2024-10-06 01:20:02	zayd	What kind of device is it? Does it use external power of any kind?
2024-10-06 01:20:02	BertoX	Scimmia, expecting plug the device (headset), and use it 
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2024-10-06 01:20:28	BertoX	like on Ubuntu live cd ... :(
2024-10-06 01:20:49	zayd	I'm not sure why exactly a USB device would be undetected on different distros
2024-10-06 01:20:49	BertoX	the device is https://linux-hardware.org/?id=usb:4c4a-4155
2024-10-06 01:20:52	phrik	Title: Jieli Technology UACDemoV1.0 (at linux-hardware.org)
2024-10-06 01:21:21	BertoX	I am unable to understand why ubuntu detects it an ARch not :(
2024-10-06 01:21:24	zayd	And you are absolutely sure that the device is charged, right?
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2024-10-06 01:21:34	Scimmia	BertoX: so you're expecting the sound to automatically switch to it, and that's what's not happening? That doens't mean it's not recognized
2024-10-06 01:21:56	Scimmia	you're making massive assumptions here
2024-10-06 01:22:20	another|	Scimmia: I think _you_ are making assumptions.
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2024-10-06 01:22:35	Scimmia	another|: how so?
2024-10-06 01:22:37	another|	BertoX: So nothing shows up in dmesg when you plug it in?
2024-10-06 01:23:05	◣	Metroid (~metroid@user/Metroid) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2024-10-06 01:23:13	BertoX	nothing show
2024-10-06 01:23:31	BertoX	Scimmia, I dont get you 
2024-10-06 01:23:31	Namarrgon	Are you booted into arch now?
2024-10-06 01:23:46	another|	hmm.. did you do set up anything akin to powersave?
2024-10-06 01:24:00	BertoX	Namarrgon, I am booting ubuntu to reboot to arch with the device running .... a pain :)
2024-10-06 01:24:02	Scimmia	BertoX: I'm trying to get actual information about *why* you think it's not detected
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2024-10-06 01:24:18	Namarrgon	BertoX: No, i mean are you running arch now so you can post output from it?
2024-10-06 01:24:34	Scimmia	it's far, far more likely it's detected just fine and there's either a driver issue or a setting issue
2024-10-06 01:25:18	Namarrgon	marc2377: makepkg.conf is a shell script, so you can put it wherever it makes sense for a bash script.
2024-10-06 01:25:32	jb1277976	Namarrgon: was that for me ?
2024-10-06 01:25:48	Namarrgon	jb1277976: Are you marc2377?
2024-10-06 01:25:49	BertoX	OK I booted arch (after ubuntu), headset is working actually.
2024-10-06 01:26:08	Scimmia	so it was probably a driver issue, you'd updated the kernel without rebooting
2024-10-06 01:26:10	jb1277976	it was  from earlier
2024-10-06 01:26:32	BertoX	Bus 001 Device 002: ID 4c4a:4155 Jieli Technology UACDemoV1.0
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2024-10-06 01:27:21	BertoX	Scimmia,OK I understand your point. But  at least udev should show I plugged the device ?
2024-10-06 01:27:40	Namarrgon	If you look at the kernel log i'm sure you see where it was detected.
2024-10-06 01:27:44	◣	Leopardon (~Thunderbi@92.60.40.207) ha salido (Quit: Leopardon)
2024-10-06 01:27:44	Scimmia	you should get a message in dmesg
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2024-10-06 01:28:36	BertoX	I see that :
2024-10-06 01:28:59	BertoX	[    1.455526] usb 1-4: New USB device found, idVendor=4c4a, idProduct=4155, bcdDevice= 1.00
2024-10-06 01:28:59	BertoX	[    1.455542] usb 1-4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0
2024-10-06 01:28:59	BertoX	[    1.455549] usb 1-4: Product: UACDemoV1.0
2024-10-06 01:28:59	BertoX	[    1.455555] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: Jieli Technology
2024-10-06 01:28:59	BertoX	[    1.479199] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbhid
2024-10-06 01:28:59	BertoX	[    1.479208] usbhid: USB HID core driver
2024-10-06 01:29:01	BertoX	[    1.493542] input: Jieli Technology UACDemoV1.0 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-4/1-4:1.3/0003:4C4A:4155.0001/input/input3
2024-10-06 01:29:04	BertoX	[    1.547614] hid-generic 0003:4C4A:4155.0001: input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.00 Device [Jieli Technology UACDemoV1.0] on usb-0000:00:14.0-4/input3
2024-10-06 01:30:04	another|	So it is detected now. cool. solved then?
2024-10-06 01:30:14	BertoX	no
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2024-10-06 01:31:24	BertoX	If I shutdown the host, remove headset, boot the host on arch, the device will not detected anymore ... I have to boot a Ubuntu live CD, plug the device, stop ubuntu, the boot on my arch ...
2024-10-06 01:31:45	BertoX	Why the hell do I need ubuntu first !?
2024-10-06 01:32:20	another|	Was that a one off or can you reproduce it?
2024-10-06 01:32:21	MacGyver	Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
2024-10-06 01:32:35	Namarrgon	So it's not detected only when you plug it in after the systemd has booted?
2024-10-06 01:32:40	Namarrgon	*system
2024-10-06 01:32:45	MacGyver	Did you reboot *at all* before booting into Ubuntu?
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2024-10-06 01:32:54	BertoX	I can reproduce it on every computers (3) in my house with that stupid device :(
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2024-10-06 01:33:18	BertoX	MacGyver, I properly shutdown th computer. Device still get power as it show leds ...
2024-10-06 01:33:26	MacGyver	That's not what I asked.
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2024-10-06 01:33:47	MacGyver	Did you *reboot* into Arch, and did it not work after the reboot either, before you booted into Ubuntu?
2024-10-06 01:34:18	BertoX	Sorry for my english, let me try to explain precisely what I do : 
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2024-10-06 01:39:11	BertoX	1. Boot computer : default system is archlinux on ssd.
2024-10-06 01:39:12	BertoX	2. Plug the usb headset => nothing happens (no logs no lsusb etc except leds on device)
2024-10-06 01:39:12	BertoX	3.unplug and replug the device : same nothing happens except leds
2024-10-06 01:39:12	BertoX	4. Totally shutdown computer, insert ubuntu live usbkey boot to bios, select usbkey for boot) and boot to ubuntu : lsusb shows device, I can use it (listen youtube music)
2024-10-06 01:39:12	BertoX	5. Totally shutdown computer again, remove usbkey (hedset leds are still on), then boot to my usual arch : Device works like a charm.
2024-10-06 01:39:14	BertoX	6. unplug / replug device, it does not work anymore.. Have to restart from 4 :(
2024-10-06 01:41:37	Scimmia	we need to know what's in dmesg when you plug it in and it doens't work
2024-10-06 01:42:06	BertoX	I type dmesg in console befor and after, there is nothing more not even 1 line :(
2024-10-06 01:42:32	Namarrgon	Post the entire kernel log for this case.
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2024-10-06 01:43:45	BertoX	ok. do you want me to totally restart computer on archlinux then plug the headset  ? (my 1 & 2 steps )
2024-10-06 01:44:37	BertoX	or just unplug replug the devie ? (It will not work anymore)
2024-10-06 01:44:52	BertoX	in both cases
2024-10-06 01:45:30	Namarrgon	Boot the computer, plug the headset in, nothing happens? post the full 'journalctl -k' output.
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2024-10-06 01:48:18	BertoX	!paste
2024-10-06 01:48:18	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-10-06 01:50:16	BertoX	https://bpa.st/VDCWA
2024-10-06 01:50:21	phrik	Title: View paste VDCWA (at bpa.st)
2024-10-06 01:50:25	zayd	Ok after checking cyanrip it just looks like CDs are reading really slowly for some reason and this isn't just an EAC issue
2024-10-06 01:50:26	BertoX	after inserting headset
2024-10-06 01:50:40	zayd	On both of my SATA CD drives
2024-10-06 01:51:34	Namarrgon	Why are you still on that old kernel version?
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2024-10-06 01:53:04	BertoX	no idea 
2024-10-06 01:53:19	Namarrgon	The whole system seems to be from ~july. Have you not updated since then?
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2024-10-06 01:53:46	zayd	my USB CD drive is a bit faster, but not nearly as fast as those SATA ones were about a week ago
2024-10-06 01:53:47	BertoX	I can ask for update on this one  (not mine)
2024-10-06 01:53:57	BertoX	but I have same symptoms
2024-10-06 01:54:01	BertoX	on my computer
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2024-10-06 01:59:01	Namarrgon	Does that thing have any LEDs?
2024-10-06 01:59:11	BertoX	a lot :(
2024-10-06 01:59:33	Namarrgon	What are they doing when arch does not detect the device?
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2024-10-06 02:00:59	BertoX	same flashy color, no difference on the headset. There is 1 difference : on the 'integrated wired remote' the power led blinks when not working, and is on when working'.
2024-10-06 02:01:21	Namarrgon	How long have you waited for it to get detected?
2024-10-06 02:02:18	BertoX	On ubuntu it is detected as soon as I plug the headset.
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2024-10-06 02:03:32	BertoX	Namarrgon, the host has been updated : same issue
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2024-10-06 02:04:12	BertoX	maybe ... ubuntu injects something to the headset to work  :)
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2024-10-06 02:05:43	BertoX	A full log from ubuntu with  headset working may help ?
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2024-10-06 02:08:47	Namarrgon	You already posted the bit when it works on arch.
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2024-10-06 02:09:49	another|	Did you reboot after the update?
2024-10-06 02:10:03	BertoX	yes
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2024-10-06 02:13:09	another|	!kernelcheck
2024-10-06 02:13:09	phrik	compare the kernel versions shown in `uname -r` and `pacman -Q linux` and `file /boot/vmlinuz-linux`
2024-10-06 02:15:39	Namarrgon	That usb id pops up in a lot of linux forums, and doesn't always seem to point to the same kind of device.
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2024-10-06 02:17:29	Namarrgon	Sometimes it's a headset, sometimes it's a speaker, sometimes it's a bt dongle.
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2024-10-06 02:38:49	another|	Is it a bird? Is it a plane? /s
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2024-10-06 02:40:38	Namarrgon	It could be a bird, flying a plane while using a bt-headset.
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2024-10-06 02:42:44	zayd	Just to update, a full system upgrade and reboot has somehow caused a dramatic increase in read speed on EAC from the USB drive (up to 11x now compared to the 1.1x I was reaching before on the SATA ones). The SATA ones are usually faster too, so I'll try that after this rip.
2024-10-06 02:43:06	zayd	Now it's reaching 14x in the same rip with my USB drive
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2024-10-06 03:15:08	zayd	I know this isn't supported here as it's an AUR package, but I can't think of anywhere else to ask, so does anyone have issues with the lrcget package not launching? I've tried installing from aur, the appimage on the git repo, and compiling myself, and it always crashes with something along the lines of this https://bpa.st/WMQEU
2024-10-06 03:15:12	phrik	Title: View paste WMQEU (at bpa.st)
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2024-10-06 10:12:08	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-10-06 10:12:08	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1419 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1418 regular)
2024-10-06 03:47:21	ana_briated	is something happening to the extra repo?
2024-10-06 03:47:55	ana_briated	a lot of mirrors are giving timeouts or 403 at /extra/os/x86_64/extra.db
2024-10-06 03:49:19	ana_briated	actually maybe I'm just hallucinating
2024-10-06 06:11:20	Edu4rdSHL	ana_briated, looks like an issue with your network
2024-10-06 06:11:22	Edu4rdSHL	Post the log
2024-10-06 07:06:30	ana_briated	Edu4rdSHL: I realised what happened, the package list that I have was out of sync with the mirror's due to an update
2024-10-06 07:06:44	ana_briated	should've mentioned that it was fixed
2024-10-06 07:07:11	ana_briated	running pacman -Syu fixed it
2024-10-06 07:34:15	Edu4rdSHL	Nice :D
2024-10-06 08:51:37	jenkins	hi I upgraded arch yesterday and now it freezes at login, I can't even type anything. I don't have a display manager, I just get prompted in the tty.
2024-10-06 08:52:36	jenkins	There was a newer kernel today so I updated from chroot, but it still hangs at the login prompt
2024-10-06 08:56:35	mpan	jenkins: are you able to reboot? Not reset, but reboot cleanly?
2024-10-06 08:58:07	jenkins	mpan: I can reboot with ctrl +
2024-10-06 08:59:06	mpan	jenkins: then from live ISO check the journal from the last boot to see if anything is reported.
2024-10-06 08:59:48	jenkins	I didn't see any errors with journalctl, what should I look for?
2024-10-06 09:00:32	mpan	Could be literally anything around the boot time, that you could associate with the display manager not starting, or even something failing earlier. If colors are enabled, those will likely be clearly distinguished in red or yellow.
2024-10-06 09:00:50	mpan	Also be sure to check your actual system journal, not live ISO’s journal (sanity check!)
2024-10-06 09:03:46	eyeoh	zayd: I just use abcde as my ripper. I'm not convinced EAC is anything special apart from the name
2024-10-06 09:04:33	zayd	eyeoh: i only really use eac because it's the only one that does its job even slightly well for me
2024-10-06 09:04:57	zayd	cyanrip or whatever it was didn't rip correctly when i tested it, according to its own logs
2024-10-06 09:05:03	zayd	while eac did fine with the same disc
2024-10-06 09:07:10	mpan	jenkins: of course you can as well roll back the kernel update too and see, if you can boot. Then debug the issue from your actual system. May be a bit more convenient, when you can directly change various settings.
2024-10-06 09:10:42	jenkins	It might be the nvidia driver actually... it seems that I can login, it's just that the screen is frozen and x doesn't start
2024-10-06 09:11:31	mpan	jenkins: ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log
2024-10-06 09:11:42	mpan	(assuming you didn’t change the paths)
2024-10-06 09:12:28	jenkins	"session opened for user jenkins(uid=1000)"
2024-10-06 09:15:00	jenkins	mpan: Xorg.0.log hasn't been updated since 2021
2024-10-06 09:15:40	jenkins	the one in my ./local at least
2024-10-06 09:16:43	kode54	still no new LTS kernel
2024-10-06 09:16:44	mpan	Hmm
2024-10-06 09:16:54	mpan	jenkins: is there any other one?
2024-10-06 09:18:12	jenkins	yes in var/log, still checking it...
2024-10-06 09:18:23	mpan	Are you running Xorg as root?
2024-10-06 09:19:03	jenkins	no I don't think so, I just do startx after logging in as a regular user
2024-10-06 09:21:09	mpan	Then it shouldn’t be able to write anything to “/var/log”.
2024-10-06 09:21:59	mpan	(also, a note: earlier I misread and assumed you use a display manager; please ignore the fragment about “that you could associate with the display manger not starting”) 
2024-10-06 09:22:12	jenkins	I don't know how to read this log, especially the datetime, but I see a Failed to initialize the nvidia graphics device. I'll try downgrading the nvidia package
2024-10-06 09:22:40	jenkins	do I have to revert the kernel updates too?
2024-10-06 09:23:04	mpan	There seems to be some misinterpretation on my side. You are not even reaching the point at which you could login to shell, right?
2024-10-06 09:24:46	jenkins	I see the login prompt in the tty, and it immediately freezes. It seems however that I am able to type my login and password, and login even if the screen is frozen
2024-10-06 09:25:07	jenkins	from what I see in the journal
2024-10-06 09:26:02	mpan	And there is no errors in the log around the time you see the freeze?
2024-10-06 09:26:12	mpan	(in the journal, let’s ignore Xorg)
2024-10-06 09:29:06	jenkins	reading...
2024-10-06 09:30:53	ZLima12	Sorry if I didn't scroll back far enough, but which Nvidia driver are you using?
2024-10-06 09:32:00	mpan	ZLima12: FYI, that wasn’t mentioned.
2024-10-06 09:32:20	jenkins	the basic nvidia package
2024-10-06 09:33:58	ZLima12	And was this after upgrading to 6.11?
2024-10-06 09:36:43	jenkins	latest is 6.11.2 ? the one that came before this
2024-10-06 09:38:11	mpan	Did you fint any pointers in the journal?
2024-10-06 09:39:00	jenkins	I have errors generated from cron and a script, being unable to connect to x
2024-10-06 09:39:43	jenkins	what's the systemd service for cron? if I disable that maybe it's not going to freeze
2024-10-06 09:40:00	mpan	I doubt that’s related, but out of curiosity… what script? It seems weird that something tries to connect to Xorg even before you log in.
2024-10-06 09:40:50	jenkins	ah right, by that point it's already frozen...
2024-10-06 09:40:58	mpan	Ok, then unrelated.
2024-10-06 09:41:42	mpan	ZLima12: do you have any specific ideas?
2024-10-06 09:42:00	mpan	(yes, 6.10.x → 6.11.1 → 6.11.2 is the progression)
2024-10-06 09:42:50	jenkins	ok just cause I tried to enter startx
2024-10-06 09:43:05	jenkins	the x server starts no problem... it's just the tty that hangs
2024-10-06 09:45:10	jenkins	because that's the thing, in the tty the screen is frozen but I can still enter commands... 
2024-10-06 09:46:37	mpan	Do you have two GPUs?
2024-10-06 09:47:19	jenkins	this intel processor has integrated graphics...
2024-10-06 09:48:09	jenkins	but it all gets sorted out when you install the nvidia graphics, no?
2024-10-06 09:48:16	jenkins	*drivers
2024-10-06 09:50:06	jenkins	whatever, maybe this fixes itself with some new update... I'm checking the pacman log again to see if anything else could be related though
2024-10-06 09:51:30	jenkins	mpan: thank you for your help
2024-10-06 09:51:36	mpan	jenkins: I did not help at all.
2024-10-06 09:51:57	mpan	But perhaps ZLima12  may have some clue.
2024-10-06 09:53:37	ZLima12	No, sorry to give false hope; I just figured that it might have been notable if the change happened alongside the new kernel version
2024-10-06 09:54:08	ZLima12	That is, the minor version rather than the patch version
2024-10-06 09:55:11	jenkins	ZLima12: it happened when I moved from 6.10.10 to 6.11.1
2024-10-06 09:55:11	mpan	jenkins: there is always an option to downgrade to the most recent linux-6.10.x for the time being.
2024-10-06 09:55:51	jenkins	eh it's a minor inconvenience
2024-10-06 09:56:10	mpan	I’m not familiar with dual-GPU setups, so I can’t help with debugging, but some tingling in my brain tells me that may be related.
2024-10-06 09:56:16	ZLima12	Ah, so it did occur alongside the upgrade to 6.11. Yeah, I might stick on the latest 6.10 version for now
2024-10-06 09:56:31	ZLima12	If reverting solves the problem
2024-10-06 09:56:35	mpan	So perhaps somebody else will be able to help.
2024-10-06 09:56:47	mpan	ZLima12: s/solves/circumvents/ — not a long-term solution. :)
2024-10-06 09:56:59	ZLima12	True
2024-10-06 09:57:06	jenkins	btw is xorg really supposed to write to .local/share ? any idea why it doesn't?
2024-10-06 09:57:23	ZLima12	Well, soon linux-lts will be 6.10, so switching to that is a better option
2024-10-06 09:57:31	mpan	Yes, it is supposed to store logs in your home directory.
2024-10-06 09:57:54	ZLima12	Better than staying on an old version of the vanilla kernel, I mean
2024-10-06 10:00:08	jenkins	I'm just happy I don't have to reinstall everything, because that would have been really bad
2024-10-06 10:00:36	mpan	jenkins: not sure if xorg handles XDG Base Directories, but if it does: perhaps `$XDG_DATA_HOME` ?
2024-10-06 10:00:50	ZLima12	Reinstalling is the easy way out; fixing the installation is a learning experience
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2024-10-06 12:16:50	mkoskar	smallville7123: no it's not
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2024-10-06 12:19:54	smallville7123	well i cant find any info on how to connect to mosh over a non-local network
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2024-10-06 12:20:16	smallville7123	nor can i find any information on how to start and connect to a remove telnet server ;-;
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2024-10-06 12:24:13	mkoskar	smallville7123: you just install mosh on client and server and that's it, $ mosh <host>
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2024-10-06 12:24:45	smallville7123	i tied that but it gave invalid address
2024-10-06 12:25:03	smallville7123	even on the same machine
2024-10-06 12:25:06	mkoskar	then your ssh is misconfigured
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2024-10-06 12:25:55	smallville7123	$ mosh-server
2024-10-06 12:25:57	smallville7123	MOSH CONNECT 60001 <KEY>
2024-10-06 12:26:34	smallville7123	$ mosh connect 60001 <KEY>
2024-10-06 12:26:34	smallville7123	/usr/bin/mosh: could not get canonical name for connect: Name does not resolve
2024-10-06 12:27:04	astralc	your server is named "connect"?
2024-10-06 12:27:12	mkoskar	idk what are you trying to do, but you don't invoke mosh-server directly, you just install on both clien/server don't have to start anything, and then on the client you replace "ssh" with "mosh"
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2024-10-06 12:27:15	smallville7123	idk what its named
2024-10-06 12:27:21	mkoskar	*client
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2024-10-06 12:27:44	smallville7123	i just wanna start a terminal server then connect to it
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2024-10-06 12:28:22	mkoskar	can you connect with ssh?
2024-10-06 12:28:29	smallville7123	the remote is a github actions CI
2024-10-06 12:28:32	smallville7123	no
2024-10-06 12:28:39	smallville7123	ssh needs a key which i dont want
2024-10-06 12:28:43	mkoskar	well there's your problem
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2024-10-06 12:29:22	mkoskar	to quote manual ... > mosh uses ssh to establish a connection to the remote host
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2024-10-06 12:30:07	smallville7123	how do i start a remote terminal with telnet inetutils
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2024-10-06 12:30:42	novns	smallville7123, very unsafely
2024-10-06 12:31:00	smallville7123	like i would do    `pacman -S --noconfirm inetutils  ;  systemctrl start telnet.socket`
2024-10-06 12:31:20	smallville7123	but how would i go about obtaining an ip address to connect to ?
2024-10-06 12:31:43	novns	`ip addr`
2024-10-06 12:32:21	novns	but you are behind a router most likely, and you don't have real IP addresses in the box
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2024-10-06 12:32:34	smallville7123	yea
2024-10-06 12:33:00	novns	then you need to configure your router to pass some ports
2024-10-06 12:33:02	smallville7123	specifically i want to obtain a ip address that would let me telnet into the github actions CI runner instance
2024-10-06 12:35:01	astralc	who owns the runner? you need to ask them for access/ip
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2024-10-06 12:35:51	smallville7123	like   `remote-shell #  you can connect to this shell via  \n  remote-shell --connect <some global ip address>`
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2024-10-06 12:36:35	smallville7123	astralc github public runner
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2024-10-06 12:38:32	jkotra	hi ppl, need help. so i bought new SSD and i didn't create a new partition for root. now im afraid im going to run of space sometime. (i used to regularly fill up my /home dir with media) 
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2024-10-06 12:38:53	jkotra	is there a way i could create new partition without reinstalling everything
2024-10-06 12:40:00	smallville7123	yes
2024-10-06 12:40:11	smallville7123	boot into a rescue/recovery.live iso
2024-10-06 12:40:18	smallville7123	recovery/live *
2024-10-06 12:40:26	smallville7123	then manage your hdd/sdd from there
2024-10-06 12:40:57	smallville7123	as you cannot manage a running hdd/sdd )
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2024-10-06 12:41:38	smallville7123	eg if you boot up on sda then you cannot repartition sda until you boot into a different hard-drive/device
2024-10-06 12:41:55	smallville7123	(eg you can boot via usb live iso)
2024-10-06 12:41:59	jkotra	so i can resize my current partition? this is how it looks rn - sdb1 - 925gb | sdb2 - rfi | sdb3 - swap. i want to resize sdb1 to cut some size and use it as / part.
2024-10-06 12:42:04	jkotra	is this logical?
2024-10-06 12:42:20	smallville7123	i would use a graphical partitioning utility
2024-10-06 12:42:24	jkotra	*rfi = efi. typo
2024-10-06 12:42:47	mkoskar	smallville7123: I know nothing about github CI runners but idk why you expect you should be able to connect to it via smt as insecure as telnet, even if it were tunnelled over tls, via would anyone provide that as remote access method when you could use ssh
2024-10-06 12:42:55	astralc	smallville7123: in short, looks like you can't https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/ci/runners/index.html
2024-10-06 12:42:57	phrik	Title: GitLab-hosted runners | GitLab (at docs.gitlab.com)
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2024-10-06 12:42:57	smallville7123	such as kpart
2024-10-06 12:43:06	mkoskar	s/via/why
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2024-10-06 12:43:20	smallville7123	(or kparted, forget what its called, thing it may be pacman -S kdepartitionmanager ?)
2024-10-06 12:43:31	astralc	just partitionmanager
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2024-10-06 12:45:22	smallville7123	mkoskar because i want to
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2024-10-06 12:47:03	mkoskar	!bail
2024-10-06 12:47:03	phrik	Looks like mkoskar is bailing out on this one - good luck!
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2024-10-06 12:48:38	jkotra	thanks smallville7123. will try that.
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2024-10-06 13:04:51	smallville7123	i tried    mosh --bind-server=ssh --port=16 --ssh="ssh -v -p 16" 172.18.0.2   but it just hangs
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2024-10-06 13:05:17	smallville7123	at   debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_9.9
2024-10-06 13:05:34	smallville7123	tho i do get    debug1: Executing proxy command: exec '/usr/bin/mosh' '--family=prefer-inet' --fake-proxy -- 172.18.0.2 16
2024-10-06 13:06:14	smallville7123	and in ip addr i see eth0   inet 172.18.0.2/16 brd 172.18.255.255 scope global eth0
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2024-10-06 13:07:49	astralc	smallville7123: gitlab blocks _all_ incoming ports to their runners.... it won't help
2024-10-06 13:07:58	smallville7123	qwq
2024-10-06 13:08:08	ℹ 	Copy_of_nrg es conocido ahora como nrg
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2024-10-06 13:09:03	astralc	also it delete the runner after the job done
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2024-10-06 13:09:32	smallville7123	i know
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2024-10-06 13:10:33	smallville7123	ughhh how the heck does ssh get around this qwq
2024-10-06 13:11:52	astralc	!bail
2024-10-06 13:11:52	phrik	Looks like astralc is bailing out on this one - good luck!
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2024-10-06 13:23:54	eyeoh	did someone say mosh
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2024-10-06 13:26:55	eyeoh	smallville7123: where does your server reside?
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2024-10-06 13:36:52	smallville7123	github public runner ubuntu and archlinux docker container
2024-10-06 13:36:58	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-06 13:39:38	jelle	smallville7123: why do you want to ssh into that, debug some action?
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2024-10-06 13:42:44	ℹ 	pog es conocido ahora como goggle
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2024-10-06 13:43:23	eyeoh	smallville7123: where do the docker containers reside?
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2024-10-06 13:46:43	smallville7123	yes
2024-10-06 13:47:02	smallville7123	eyeoh   as a github ci action
2024-10-06 13:47:39	jelle	smallville7123: why not use https://github.com/marketplace/actions/debugging-with-ssh
2024-10-06 13:47:41	phrik	Title: Debugging with ssh · Actions · GitHub Marketplace · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-10-06 13:47:53	smallville7123	eg   container: <arch-container>
2024-10-06 13:50:18	smallville7123	hmm https://github.com/mxschmitt/action-tmate
2024-10-06 13:50:19	phrik	Title: GitHub - mxschmitt/action-tmate: Debug your GitHub Actions via SSH by using tmate to get access to the runner system itself. (at github.com)
2024-10-06 13:50:24	jelle	right that one
2024-10-06 13:50:28	jelle	used it, works
2024-10-06 13:50:35	smallville7123	yea :)
2024-10-06 13:50:35	jelle	smallville7123: what are you trying to do however?
2024-10-06 13:50:42	smallville7123	exactly that
2024-10-06 13:51:27	smallville7123	oh wait it seems to use ubuntu
2024-10-06 13:51:30	smallville7123	(apt)
2024-10-06 13:52:34	smallville7123	hmm seems we can do   pacman -S tmate
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2024-10-06 13:52:40	smallville7123	https://tmate.io/
2024-10-06 13:52:42	phrik	Title: tmate • Instant terminal sharing (at tmate.io)
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2024-10-06 13:53:39	jelle	smallville7123: why do you need to ssh into it though?
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2024-10-06 14:24:04	smallville7123	for debugging
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2024-10-06 14:50:28	raijin	when specifying where the cryptkey file is for the initram, what is the convention? absolute path? and what is the matching input needed in the kernel config line?
2024-10-06 14:51:17	raijin	I suppose I could look inside the initramfs and see where it's included
2024-10-06 14:51:20	raijin	thanks!
2024-10-06 14:51:34	raijin	!next
2024-10-06 14:51:35	phrik	Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
2024-10-06 14:53:18	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-06 15:02:55	B4BELC0D3	hey
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2024-10-06 15:05:29	ponies	!give B4BELC0D3 hi
2024-10-06 15:05:29	phrik	B4BELC0D3: HAI2U
2024-10-06 15:05:38	B4BELC0D3	hey thanks
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2024-10-06 15:29:55	smallville7123	how do i exit tmake
2024-10-06 15:30:00	smallville7123	tmate
2024-10-06 15:30:25	smallville7123	Note: press the following sequence to disconnect from SSH: <Enter>~.
2024-10-06 15:32:34	smallville7123	hmm seeems it is   <ENTER_KEY> <TIDLE_KEY> <DOT>   as in ~/.foo
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2024-10-06 15:37:59	BrainDamage	I only remember ~? which gives you a list of the commands
2024-10-06 15:40:28	smallville7123	hmm how do i start tmate in the background with with the ssh/web string being sent to stdout
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2024-10-06 15:40:55	smallville7123	as i tried   tmate -F -v -2 new-session -d -P bash &    but the session seems to have died
2024-10-06 15:41:17	smallville7123	Invalid session token       Connection to sfo2.tmate.io closed by remote host.
2024-10-06 15:42:21	smallville7123	without -F i cannot see the output, i only get the session name `0:`
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2024-10-06 15:45:08	smallville7123	and the web url keeps saying connecting ... reconnecting ...
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2024-10-06 15:49:03	smallville7123	hmm could it be getting killed when the shell exists even though we did &
2024-10-06 15:49:08	smallville7123	exits*
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2024-10-06 15:52:22	smallville7123	hmm seems like we can use nohup
2024-10-06 15:53:14	goggle	yes you must use nohup, if you background it with & it'll still be in the same SID
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2024-10-06 15:54:37	smallville7123	so i would do this to avoid tmate dying when the shell script exits   ?     nohup tmate -F -v -2 new-session -d -P bash & sleep 3 ; cat nohop.out
2024-10-06 15:56:03	MrElendig	or use tmux/zellij/screen
2024-10-06 15:56:42	smallville7123	so  tmux tmate ?
2024-10-06 15:57:04	smallville7123	tho wouldnt tmux itself also die ?
2024-10-06 15:57:26	smallville7123	additionally the otuput of tmate wont be sent to stdout right ?
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2024-10-06 15:57:50	smallville7123	same with screen and others
2024-10-06 15:57:55	smallville7123	probably
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2024-10-06 16:04:15	smallville7123	hmm it seems to output to stdout
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2024-10-06 16:06:59	feeblu	hello
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2024-10-06 16:09:42	smallville7123	oh it seems to die as soon as i connect to it
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2024-10-06 16:14:31	ℹ 	goggle es conocido ahora como pog
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2024-10-06 16:32:19	smallville7123	seems i will need to do this
2024-10-06 16:32:20	smallville7123	nohup script /dev/null -c 'tmate -F -v -2 new-session -d -P bash' </dev/null &
2024-10-06 16:36:09	smallville7123	yay it works \o/
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2024-10-06 16:40:59	ℹ 	jack_ es conocido ahora como jacklapinza
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2024-10-06 16:53:51	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-06 17:36:51	teraflops	do anyone know how much time does it take for AUR helpers to pick new changes in PKGBUILDS, approximately?
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2024-10-06 17:40:02	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-06 17:41:22	demonicmaniac1	huh?
2024-10-06 17:41:55	demonicmaniac1	you mean how quickly changes to pkgbuilds are propagated through the aur interface to requests?
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2024-10-06 17:42:32	demonicmaniac1	if they use git clone/pull it should be immediate
2024-10-06 17:43:14	fisae	demonicmaniac1: because of ci/cd stuff?
2024-10-06 17:43:35	teraflops	demonicmaniac1: it's just curiosity, I made changes to one PKGBUILD and in the web interface the changes are there but in e.g yay it downloads the old version
2024-10-06 17:44:20	demonicmaniac1	teraflops: and git clone also gets the old version? technically git clone should be faster than the web interface even by a few ms
2024-10-06 17:44:31	teraflops	demonicmaniac1: git clone works as expected
2024-10-06 17:44:49	demonicmaniac1	sounds like yay is dumb then :P
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2024-10-06 17:44:57	teraflops	maybe
2024-10-06 17:46:02	demonicmaniac1	i'd have expected yay to just git clone as well for downloading at least, maybe some cached stuff for searching
2024-10-06 17:46:19	teraflops	that the only explaation I can think of, yeah
2024-10-06 17:46:24	teraflops	that's
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2024-10-06 17:46:52	teraflops	isn't there an rpc think for the aur?
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2024-10-06 17:47:14	teraflops	ouch
2024-10-06 17:47:22	jelle	the rpc is cached for a bit
2024-10-06 17:47:31	teraflops	maybe that's it
2024-10-06 17:48:02	demonicmaniac1	hmhm i thought the rpc is only searching and not downloading
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2024-10-06 17:49:22	demonicmaniac1	so it might not update if searching doesn't see it changed but a download should always git clone/pull
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2024-10-06 17:50:11	jelle	RPC is only searching
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2024-10-06 17:50:27	jelle	demonicmaniac1: but an aur helper compares versions with the rpc right?
2024-10-06 17:50:45	teraflops	it is kind of misleading, I changed the description but in yay -Ss PKGBUILD's description is the old one
2024-10-06 17:51:12	jelle	kind of misleading? :-)
2024-10-06 17:52:15	teraflops	yeah because the description is the old one but the PKGBUILD still do the same thing
2024-10-06 17:52:45	teraflops	nvm I know it propagates at some point I was just curious
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2024-10-06 18:03:30	demonicmaniac1	jelle: i mean yeah that was my point - searching for updates might see the old one and not call git pull/clone - just since teraflops mentioned "downloads the old one" seemed to me like it actively downloads the old one again instead of the new one 
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2024-10-06 18:06:15	teraflops	I can make a quick test to see if it actually downloads the new one or not
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2024-10-06 18:06:18	teraflops	brb
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2024-10-06 18:08:19	teraflops	it downloads the new one indeed
2024-10-06 18:08:56	teraflops	it as in yay
2024-10-06 18:09:00	teraflops	and pikaur
2024-10-06 18:10:08	demonicmaniac1	yeah that makes sense then
2024-10-06 18:11:50	teraflops	I looked at yaya's cache and the change I pushed was in the PKGBUILD there so 100% sure
2024-10-06 18:11:58	teraflops	yay^
2024-10-06 18:12:45	BrainDamage	parsing pkgbuilds is quite unsafe and quite a few bugs and security issues came from that
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2024-10-06 18:13:42	BrainDamage	I think nearly all helpers don't account if you change a pkgbuild and rely on .srcinfo/cached info/rpc
2024-10-06 18:14:32	teraflops	that rpc thing is a black box to me honestly
2024-10-06 18:16:20	demonicmaniac1	it's a blessing especially given the explosion of arch derivatives and people hammering the aur
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2024-10-06 18:20:16	astralc	!pamac
2024-10-06 18:20:17	phrik	https://gitlab.manjaro.org/applications/pamac/-/issues/1017
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2024-10-06 18:29:04	throstur	I tried to wake the computer from sleep with keyboard without success, decided the computer was off and pressed power button. Computer resumed as if nothing happened, this happen to any of you guys recently?
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2024-10-06 18:37:07	Freneticks	what's the meaning of "Version mismatch" when makepkg ?
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2024-10-06 18:39:41	demonicmaniac1	Freneticks: far more information needed
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2024-10-06 18:48:38	Freneticks	demonicmaniac: there is no verboose or debug mode so how can I get this information ?
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2024-10-06 18:56:35	throstur	I didn't change anything, just upgraded all my packages, keyboard usually works though
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2024-10-06 19:05:48	demonicmaniac1	Freneticks: i mean you are running makepkg in a directory with a pkgbuild. which pkgbuild, when does the error appear, during building process, during fetching of sources etcppp
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2024-10-06 19:13:16	Freneticks	how can I know ? 
2024-10-06 19:13:58	Freneticks	I try to build this specific version of resolve : https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/commit/?h=davinci-resolve-studio&id=f3d48627dee01eeb5ff7849b6fb35b26a9d73cf7
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2024-10-06 19:15:38	connstruct	You're the one building it, what do you mean, how can you know?
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2024-10-06 19:15:52	connstruct	You pulled down the pkgbuild, you're running makepkg, you're the one with the logs.
2024-10-06 19:16:34	Freneticks	yeah but there is no log of what he's doing 
2024-10-06 19:17:16	teraflops	grab a screenshot?
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2024-10-06 19:18:45	Freneticks	https://0x0.st/XEfx.png
2024-10-06 19:19:14	Edu4rdSHL	That's ALL you get?
2024-10-06 19:19:17	teraflops	omg
2024-10-06 19:19:19	Freneticks	yes !! :'(
2024-10-06 19:19:28	Edu4rdSHL	What's your PKGBUILD
2024-10-06 19:19:51	obb	seems like a version mismatch
2024-10-06 19:19:52	prinz_eugen	Wow, didn't expect to see so many people here. Nice to meet you guys
2024-10-06 19:19:54	Freneticks	Edu4rdSHL: https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/plain/PKGBUILD?h=davinci-resolve-studio&id=f3d48627dee01eeb5ff7849b6fb35b26a9d73cf7
2024-10-06 19:20:00	teraflops	obb: lol
2024-10-06 19:20:22	astralc	https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=davinci-resolve-studio&id=f3d48627dee01eeb5ff7849b6fb35b26a9d73cf7#n43
2024-10-06 19:20:23	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-10-06 19:20:29	teraflops	Freneticks: did you edit the PKGBUILD by hand?
2024-10-06 19:20:33	Freneticks	no
2024-10-06 19:21:05	Freneticks	i just need the 18.5 to activate the 19.0 fucking proprietary software
2024-10-06 19:21:28	Edu4rdSHL	> if [[ $pkgver != $_pkgver ]];then echo "Version mismatch"
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2024-10-06 19:21:39	Edu4rdSHL	Line 43
2024-10-06 19:21:43	Freneticks	! oh thx
2024-10-06 19:21:43	phrik	Freneticks: The answer is 42.
2024-10-06 19:21:49	Freneticks	:D
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2024-10-06 19:23:42	teraflops	Freneticks: sorry but the current PKGBUILD which version grabs 
2024-10-06 19:23:46	teraflops	?
2024-10-06 19:24:00	teraflops	are you using an old PKGBUILD?
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2024-10-06 19:24:19	Edu4rdSHL	teraflops, it's about: _pkgver=$(printf "%s" $_releaseinfo | jq -r '[ .linux.major, .linux.minor, .linux.releaseNum ] | join(".")')
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2024-10-06 19:24:55	teraflops	they says they need version 18.5 to be abke to activate version 19.0
2024-10-06 19:24:59	teraflops	say^
2024-10-06 19:25:18	Edu4rdSHL	I mean, yes, but the error is about that part
2024-10-06 19:25:32	Edu4rdSHL	The PKGBUILD curl https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/api/support/latest-stable-version/davinci-resolve/linux, then grab info from there
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2024-10-06 19:26:39	Edu4rdSHL	And, as the PKGBUILD always uses the `latest-stable-version` API call, then it will mismatch}
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2024-10-06 19:27:06	Freneticks	thanks didn't have the energy to read all the pkgbuild
2024-10-06 19:27:08	teraflops	that makes me wonder why they talk about version 28.5
2024-10-06 19:27:21	teraflops	18.5
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2024-10-06 19:27:43	Edu4rdSHL	Freneticks, that's usually the easiest path ;)
2024-10-06 19:27:43	Freneticks	they talk where ?
2024-10-06 19:27:58	Edu4rdSHL	Reading a PKGBUILD is pretty simple
2024-10-06 19:28:11	teraflops	you said:  try to build this specific version of resolve
2024-10-06 19:28:22	Freneticks	ah yeah, it's because my activation card is for 18.5
2024-10-06 19:28:37	Freneticks	SERIAL-things you know
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2024-10-06 19:29:51	Edu4rdSHL	Freneticks, do you need davinci-resolve-studio, or just davinci-resolve?
2024-10-06 19:30:34	Freneticks	-studio
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2024-10-06 19:32:37	Edu4rdSHL	Looks like blackmagicdesign removes old releases, so
2024-10-06 19:32:39	Edu4rdSHL	No idea
2024-10-06 19:32:51	Edu4rdSHL	At least in their website I can't find anything related to 18.x
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2024-10-06 19:33:52	Freneticks	well curl is currently downloading the zip
2024-10-06 19:34:25	Edu4rdSHL	It's downloading the latest version
2024-10-06 19:35:10	Freneticks	oh no
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2024-10-06 19:36:07	Edu4rdSHL	All the info for downloading is taken from https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/api/support/latest-stable-version/davinci-resolve/linux as I mentioned, you will always see the .zip the same as $pkgver because that's what the PKGBUILD instructs to do
2024-10-06 19:36:27	Freneticks	yeah
2024-10-06 19:36:39	Edu4rdSHL	i.e: you can change pkgver to 2.0 and the zip will be name with 2.0, but the inner contents will always be the latest
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2024-10-06 19:36:51	Edu4rdSHL	No idea what to do there
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2024-10-06 20:42:31	Zeyphros	Are there any known issues with the newest nivida-dkms drivers? 560.35.03-5 results in a blank screen while 560.35.03-3 gets me into the tty as usual
2024-10-06 20:56:08	Scimmia	Zeyphros: yes, it enables fbdev by default which can cause issues
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2024-10-06 20:57:30	teraflops	6.11-fbdev.patch
2024-10-06 20:57:45	teraflops	or make-modeset-fbdev-default.patch?
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2024-10-06 21:10:23	ZLima12	jenkins: Perhaps the above explains your issue from earlier?
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2024-10-06 21:11:28	jenkins	uhm... so it could be a bug in the nvidia driver
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2024-10-06 21:13:42	jenkins	one change is that it now requires fbdev?
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2024-10-06 21:15:00	jenkins	I don't even have that package...
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2024-10-06 21:19:36	innegatives	Hey, I'm looking at https://reproducible.archlinux.org/ and for LTS kernel it says "unknown", what is meant by "unknown" here?
2024-10-06 21:19:37	phrik	Title: Arch Linux Reproducible Status (at reproducible.archlinux.org)
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2024-10-06 21:23:25	lmat	When I run  simplescreenrecorder, I get "error while loading shared libraries: libavformat.so.60: cannot open shared object file:" I see that I have libavformat.so.{58,61}, but no 60.
2024-10-06 21:23:59	lmat	Oh, simplescreenrecorder is aur. I'll update.
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2024-10-06 21:25:39	tranzistor	Hello! I have a "Wacom HID 535F Pen" and on arch linux "libinput debug-events" detects it as eraser. Using the same pen on same laptop with Ubuntu, it correctly identifies it as pen. Any ideas how to solve it?
2024-10-06 21:25:59	gromit	innegatives: "unknown" designates that the rebuilder still needs to do the rebuild
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2024-10-06 21:26:19	gromit	so it's not checked yet if the rebuild status is "good" or "bad"
2024-10-06 21:26:25	innegatives	ah ok, thanks
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2024-10-06 21:30:24	gromit	innegatives: but as in the past the linux-lts package will come out as unreproducible due to embedded keys etc.
2024-10-06 21:30:47	innegatives	archlinux will be perfect distro day we get reproducible kernels somehow
2024-10-06 21:30:55	gromit	See the discussion here: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/linux/-/merge_requests/1
2024-10-06 21:30:56	innegatives	its already the best
2024-10-06 21:30:58	phrik	Title: Make linux kernel reproducible (!1) · Merge requests · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / linux · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-10-06 22:32:21	Vorpal	So I get this error when trying to run file-roller. https://0x0.st/XEVf.txt It seems in fact that no GTK4 based programs want to open (though the exact error message varies). I'm running KDE Wayland with Intel graphics (laptop with old nvidia 1000 series, but the nvidia graphics are not in use).
2024-10-06 22:32:47	Vorpal	gimp opens just fine, but that is probably still X11 I guess
2024-10-06 22:33:29	Vorpal	(I don't have many GTK programs installed to begin with though)
2024-10-06 22:33:54	Vorpal	huh, gedit actually opens (after I installed it)
2024-10-06 22:34:15	Vorpal	but it seems to be gtk3, so that is probably it
2024-10-06 22:35:38	Vorpal	easyeffects just fails with the same error as file-roller (and that uses GTK4)
2024-10-06 22:36:20	monkfish	https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/11723
2024-10-06 22:36:26	phrik	Title: Error 71 (Protocol error) dispatching to Wayland display. (#11723) · Issues · Mesa / mesa · GitLab (at gitlab.freedesktop.org)
2024-10-06 22:36:36	MrElendig	Vorpal: test with a new user
2024-10-06 22:37:07	Vorpal	monkfish: oh thanks, didn't find that with google, just some confused fedora forum post with no one knew what was going on
2024-10-06 22:37:52	monkfish	if you've read that then you'll probably already know that a potential workaround is to define GSK_RENDERER=gl. it's not technically a mesa issue either so it might take a little while to get straightened out.
2024-10-06 22:38:03	Vorpal	oooh right
2024-10-06 22:38:10	Vorpal	or uninstalling the nvidia drivers I guess
2024-10-06 22:38:19	monkfish	yeah, I should think so.
2024-10-06 22:38:21	Vorpal	MrElendig: I doubt that would help given the linked bug report
2024-10-06 22:38:53	Vorpal	monkfish: I do occasionally use the nvidia stuff, because the skylake intel graphics are even worse than the nvidia MX150 graphics
2024-10-06 22:38:59	Vorpal	so that is annoying
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2024-10-06 22:39:04	monkfish	yes, indeed.
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2024-10-06 22:39:58	Vorpal	__NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 file-roller also works, lol
2024-10-06 22:40:29	Vorpal	(GSK_RENDERER=gl is a more sensible workaround though)
2024-10-06 22:41:06	Betal	any reason why when I open OBS it might freeze an game app like supertuxkart?
2024-10-06 22:41:14	Betal	this seems random, sometimes it freeze, sometimes it don't
2024-10-06 22:41:18	Betal	nvidia, wayland, kde
2024-10-06 22:41:38	Betal	only freeze when the app is in focus and fullscreen
2024-10-06 22:41:58	Betal	also if I disable the source in OBS, it unfreeze
2024-10-06 22:42:31	Vorpal	monkfish: huh, apparently the AMD driver also has this issue. So not nvidia specific. Not sure how to blame then.
2024-10-06 22:43:03	astralc	Betal: composting shenanigans?
2024-10-06 22:43:09	monkfish	Vorpal: I only skimmed the report but, from what I can could gather, you'd have to purge the nvidia drivers to draw that conclusion.
2024-10-06 22:43:12	astralc	compositing
2024-10-06 22:43:16	monkfish	and reboot, I suppose.
2024-10-06 22:43:22	Betal	astralc: iam not sure, how I can test?
2024-10-06 22:43:33	Vorpal	monkfish: there was a linked bug report where someone with intel+amd reported a variant of the same issue
2024-10-06 22:43:43	monkfish	Vorpal: oh dear.
2024-10-06 22:43:51	astralc	change the fullscreen mode, or exit fullscreen
2024-10-06 22:43:58	Betal	I don't think we can disable compositor in kde/wayland, isn't it needed to wayland to work?
2024-10-06 22:44:10	astralc	I think plasma have some window rules related to fullscreen
2024-10-06 22:44:17	Vorpal	monkfish: so this is a compositor issue maybe? And that means even if GTK fixes this in mutter, it won't help me since I use kwin. Etc.
2024-10-06 22:44:29	Betal	astralc: if the app is in fullscreen borderless, it dont freeze, only "real" fullscreen if there is a real
2024-10-06 22:44:30	monkfish	Vorpal: what a tremendous nuisance.
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2024-10-06 22:45:56	Vorpal	monkfish: well, with X11 there would have been just one place to fix something like this. Instead of potentially in ~10 different places (if it is compositor) or ~3 different places (if it is drivers)
2024-10-06 22:46:20	Vorpal	also there is a "me too" style comment from someone claiming to use Intel ARC. What?
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2024-10-06 22:49:25	MrElendig	Vorpal: wrote it before monkfish linked that but libera is being laggy again
2024-10-06 22:49:47	Vorpal	MrElendig: ah, makes sense
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2024-10-06 22:52:07	Vorpal	thanks for the help
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2024-10-07 00:25:14	Ena0	Hi I have KDE and hyprland installed. Whenever I login into hyprland I'm not connected to my wifi. First I'd have to login into the kde session log out and then log back in to hyprland. I'm assuming it has something to do with KDE's password manager? My question is how do I set up hyprland alongside KDE with as little conflict as possible? I guess I'd want to use KDE's programs since that won't
2024-10-07 00:25:16	Ena0	cause any conflitcs?
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2024-10-07 00:34:12	knghtbrd	why do they never hang around?
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2024-10-07 00:35:31	Metroid	they didn't get an answer within 5 minutes
2024-10-07 00:35:41	Metroid	chatgpt gives you an instant answer
2024-10-07 00:35:50	Metroid	not the correct one but an answer ;)
2024-10-07 00:36:06	mefistofeles	lol
2024-10-07 00:36:36	mefistofeles	I wonder what would chatgpt answer to that one :P
2024-10-07 00:38:18	mefistofeles	not bad https://paste.mathizen.net/view/24346dc0-4e9b-4c7c-8ab2-f7ab672214a6 
2024-10-07 00:38:28	mefistofeles	(not chatgpt but another bot around here)
2024-10-07 00:41:12	knghtbrd	I'd prefer an answer that worked
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2024-10-07 00:43:28	mefistofeles	knghtbrd: I don't see why those suggestions wouldn't work
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2024-10-07 00:44:05	mefistofeles	and in fact, the main problem is probably that kde wallet is storing the credentials
2024-10-07 00:44:16	mefistofeles	as the bot suggested in one of the items
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2024-10-07 00:48:11	knghtbrd	He didn't get an answer, he left presumably to go ask chatgpt we decided 😁
2024-10-07 00:48:47	Metroid	forums should be locked if OP says "i asked chatgpt"
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2024-10-07 00:51:23	⚡ 	knghtbrd reminds himself that he would still like, at some point, to work out some sort of secret-passing/expiration to allow an auto-login once at boot given the password used to unlock the boot drive
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2024-10-07 00:53:46	knghtbrd	It's a pretty normal thing on arch to have the user type the password for their root cryptdevice and use keyfiles to unlock subsequent encrypted mounts. Debian doesn't use the cryptdevice kernel parameter, preferring to stick everything into crypttab in the initramfs. Convenient keyscript lets you provide the unlock password for the first valume to others.
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2024-10-07 00:55:03	knghtbrd	Seems a keyscript could likewise something something PAM something autologin, but just once within $timeframe after boot. I just haven't investigated it—higher priority things.
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2024-10-07 01:52:09	zayd	is there any way on kde wayland to make media keybinds apply to both mpd and mpris?
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2024-10-07 01:53:04	Namarrgon	TheAtlas: That would depend on the client.
2024-10-07 01:53:10	TheAtlas	konversation
2024-10-07 01:54:10	zayd	i can't seem to just bind both, it looks like i can only have one command per bind (i could probably set it to mpc toggle; playerctl whatever or something though)
2024-10-07 01:54:29	zayd	but i want to see if tehre's any better way to do it
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2024-10-07 13:31:42	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-07 02:40:48	randomusr	Unable to login via sddm when running Arch as a guest inside Virtualbox. The Windows host and the Arch guest both have the appropriate addin package, ie; Extensions and guest-additions. DE is kde plasma on Wayland. what might I check to resolve this?
2024-10-07 02:41:16	Gnana	is gentoo is better than arch?
2024-10-07 02:41:28	Gnana	i mean on performene side?
2024-10-07 02:41:59	Gnana	my wezterm lags and system compiling something,, then installing gentoo going to take foreever?
2024-10-07 02:48:45	ponies	Gnana not at all, how ? 
2024-10-07 02:48:56	Namarrgon	randomusr: Do you see errors in the journal for the failed login attempts?
2024-10-07 02:49:13	Namarrgon	randomusr: Does the x11 kde session work?
2024-10-07 02:49:54	Gnana	ponies: hmm okay.. i think arch is you compile with flags on archlinux also
2024-10-07 02:50:01	zayd	Gnana: that would mostly depend on how you use it and what exactly you measure as "performance"
2024-10-07 02:50:05	Gnana	ponies: sorry
2024-10-07 02:50:09	Gnana	bad english
2024-10-07 02:50:47	ponies	Gnana yeaah you can add makeflags i suppose
2024-10-07 02:50:52	Gnana	yesh
2024-10-07 02:51:04	ponies	Gnana: like alias mkpkg='MAKEFLAGS="-j$(nproc)" makepkg -si'
2024-10-07 02:51:19	ponies	but instead of mkpkg it ur gentoo command 
2024-10-07 02:51:42	randomusr	Namarrgon: apologies as I have yet to check the journal. Could use a pointer on what to search there. I'll try the x11 session the next time I log in. These seem to work fine when I boot baremetal
2024-10-07 03:03:25	Santzes	ehh the new ppp package showed me a message that I should change a .so plugin name from settings to another
2024-10-07 03:04:35	Santzes	haven't changed anything there so found the config to change that and tried different settings for a while
2024-10-07 03:05:24	Santzes	but the real problem was that it changed /etc/ppp/pap-secrets and chap-secrets to pap-servers.pacsave etc
2024-10-07 03:05:31	Santzes	pap-secrets*
2024-10-07 03:06:25	Santzes	feels like really easy problem to miss after getting the message about .so
2024-10-07 03:10:28	zayd	Santzes: is PPP even still needed for anything anymore?
2024-10-07 03:11:36	Santzes	zayd: my 1G/½G fiber uses it so probably not that uncommon
2024-10-07 03:14:58	zayd	ah
2024-10-07 03:20:25	afastaudir8	Hey, so I'm hvaing an issue with iwlwifi and Linux 6.11.2
2024-10-07 03:21:10	afastaudir8	If I start my computer with 6.11.2, it just flat out refuses to connect to my WiFi network through NetworkManager with a timeout error. It works fine on 6.10.10
2024-10-07 03:41:51	Edu4rdSHL	afastaudir8, do you have dual boot?
2024-10-07 03:42:08	denkijin	does makepkg-template have any default templates anywhere?
2024-10-07 03:42:15	afastaudir8	Edu4rdSHL: Yes, with macOS 14
2024-10-07 03:42:55	Edu4rdSHL	Uh, no idea about hackintosh
2024-10-07 03:43:21	afastaudir8	I don't see why this matters though?
2024-10-07 03:43:24	Edu4rdSHL	I mean, Windows is well-known to cause issues if not fully powered off, no idea about MacOS
2024-10-07 03:43:30	Edu4rdSHL	So yes, it matters
2024-10-07 03:43:55	afastaudir8	macOS doesn't do that weird stuff that Windows does by default iirc
2024-10-07 03:44:17	Edu4rdSHL	Does your wireless card uses some out-of-tree module?
2024-10-07 03:45:40	denkijin	ya but it's iwlwifi, the most common of wifi drivers, developed by intel etc
2024-10-07 03:45:50	denkijin	you would think it's the most tested
2024-10-07 03:45:52	afastaudir8	Mhm
2024-10-07 03:46:00	denkijin	what's dmesg say afastaudir8 
2024-10-07 03:48:42	afastaudir8	Iirc it was complaining about something relating to iptables I think?
2024-10-07 03:49:08	afastaudir8	I'm not going to go back to 6.11.2 right now because I need to use my laptop for something
2024-10-07 05:43:13	Trel	I have an issue, any time I join a voice channel in discord, my audio devices appear to re-enumerate somehow.  It's not producing any sort of error that I can see, just output about the aftermath, a number of things trigger this, but discord seems to soft-crash from it and then re-connect which is looping this issue
2024-10-07 05:46:00	Trel	(dmesg doesn't seem to show anything, but the user-level journalctl shows some output from kde's pulse components about "no object for name" for various audio devices as it re-enumerates
2024-10-07 05:49:54	denkijin	Trel: sounds like some udev rule gone arwy
2024-10-07 05:50:01	denkijin	just spitballing 
2024-10-07 05:54:31	Trel	denkijin: I wouldn't be surprised.  Could that also trigger somehow off of Wine processes loading?
2024-10-07 05:55:03	Trel	Because if it's a udev issue, I can narrow down the device specifically
2024-10-07 05:55:29	Trel	Because it didn't happen when I just tested with my headset attached to my laptop as a stopgap
2024-10-07 05:59:28	Trel	I'm not familiar with testing for that sort of thing.  Any idea how I could tell?
2024-10-07 06:21:46	koalamaci	it's ridiculous how many issues I have solved related to "stuff not working after config changes" by just doing sudo reboot
2024-10-07 06:22:02	mefistofeles	welcome to windows
2024-10-07 06:22:06	mefistofeles	*ahem* archlinux
2024-10-07 06:22:30	koalamaci	I see. so that's how it is
2024-10-07 06:22:56	koalamaci	well, let's hope I won't need to change stuff around after setting up everything in a working manner
2024-10-07 06:24:16	koalamaci	one ridiculous example is that I've created a swapped channels sink for L/R audio to R/L
2024-10-07 06:24:26	koalamaci	I was not able to solve for this in win10
2024-10-07 06:25:04	koalamaci	there were multiple solutions for this with pulseaudio, pipewire, wireplumber
2024-10-07 06:26:29	koalamaci	I've implemented a solution using pulseaudio and it did not work, so I've timeshifted. then did one using pipewire and when that didn't work and added some config for wireplumber, I became suspicious and just said fuck it reboot
2024-10-07 06:26:40	koalamaci	and now I have two working methods
2024-10-07 06:27:44	koalamaci	I don't even dare removing one of them, so I got two inversed audio options to choose from when I'm selecting the default audio device
2024-10-07 09:25:44	Trel	!paste
2024-10-07 09:25:44	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-10-07 09:26:38	Trel	If anyone can help with the sound issue, I'm not sure if it's related to udev at all, but this is what happens in journalctl when this happens https://bpa.st/NFJMM
2024-10-07 09:26:43	phrik	Title: View paste NFJMM (at bpa.st)
2024-10-07 09:34:07	arseru	hi, I'm using i3 + dunst as notification server, and cbatticon set as `exec --no-startup-id cbatticon -u 5 -i symbolic -r 5 -c "poweroff" -l 10 -o "xbacklight = 5"` in my i3 config file. When my laptop battery goes down 10%, I receive a dunst notification, but with urgency=normal - I would like to set that message to urgency=critical. Does anybody
2024-10-07 09:34:08	arseru	know how to do that?
2024-10-07 09:36:51	bluetail	arseru man 1 cbatticon
2024-10-07 09:41:26	arseru	bluetail I don't see anything there that I'm not using already in my i3 config
2024-10-07 09:44:23	arseru	this is the message I would like to change to urgency=critical https://i.imgur.com/69iCkw3.jpeg - I guess a good way to do this would be to add this block https://bpa.st/SAWAQ to the dunst config?
2024-10-07 09:44:24	bluetail	arseru what prevents you from running a service here? It got all switches for it. You can just notify-send
2024-10-07 09:44:27	phrik	Title: View paste SAWAQ (at bpa.st)
2024-10-07 09:45:17	susi	Trel: does the sound work otherwise after that 'renumeration' happens, from those USB headphones?
2024-10-07 09:54:30	susi	one thing I'd try would be disabling power-saving features, depends on the driver how to do it
2024-10-07 10:31:00	dok	hello, just noticed an increase of ~700MB of the wine packages (upgrade from wine-9.15-1 to wine-9.18-1) and some of the .dll are no longer stripped (which might makes sense)
2024-10-07 10:32:08	Antiz	dok: This is due to https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/wine/-/merge_requests/11
2024-10-07 10:32:10	phrik	Title: Restore debugging symbols for PE files (!11) · Merge requests · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / wine · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-10-07 10:43:15	dok	Antiz: thanks
2024-10-07 10:43:46	Antiz	You're welcome
2024-10-07 11:08:22	alwyn	Is there a way to run two Signal instances side by side? I tried installing the repo version and flatpak but it returns to a single instance
2024-10-07 11:24:04	alwyn	Perhaps an alternative signal client is what I'm looking for :P
2024-10-07 11:32:04	wunit	alwyn: haven't got it set up here, but have you checked if it uses some socket in $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR and/or other files in locations where it could detect that there's "another instance" of itself?
2024-10-07 11:32:48	wunit	I imagine one could circumvent it by starting it with some XDG basedir vars overridden (or, worst case, $HOME)
2024-10-07 11:54:05	alwyn	wunit: "solutions" I find is to stop signal, move the config/data dir to another location, and start signal again
2024-10-07 11:54:10	alwyn	Then swap dirs when you want to use another profile
2024-10-07 11:54:21	alwyn	🤦
2024-10-07 11:59:22	bluetail	alwyn I would try with firejail or bubblewrap
2024-10-07 11:59:41	bluetail	if that doesnt work, LXC
2024-10-07 12:00:12	alwyn	What do you know, I have bubblewrap installed. I'll check it out
2024-10-07 12:01:11	bluetail	I know nuttin'
2024-10-07 12:51:08	fisae	mohammad5305: hi
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2024-10-07 15:16:33	ℹ 	Juesto es conocido ahora como Juest
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2024-10-07 15:18:09	BrainDamage	alwyn: flatpak uses bwrap internally, the reason why they conflict is likely because the flatpak permissions lets it access the home dirs that are also used by the regular package, if you revoke them it should use those inside the sandbox
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2024-10-07 15:26:22	Edu4rdSHL	alwyn, there are several ways, the most easy is to just use signal-desktop --user-data-dir=
2024-10-07 15:28:33	Edu4rdSHL	You can run as many instances as you want with that
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2024-10-07 15:29:56	alwyn	Edu4rdSHL: that still only allows me to run one instance at a time
2024-10-07 15:30:08	Edu4rdSHL	alwyn, how are you using it
2024-10-07 15:30:14	Edu4rdSHL	Full command
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2024-10-07 15:30:51	alwyn	Currently trying to run signal-desktop without arguments, and signal-desktop --user-data-dir $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS/Signal2
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2024-10-07 15:30:58	ℹ 	pbsds37 es conocido ahora como pbsds3
2024-10-07 15:31:03	Edu4rdSHL	Use a fill path
2024-10-07 15:31:05	Edu4rdSHL	Use a full path
2024-10-07 15:31:15	MacGyver	Also it's missing the =
2024-10-07 15:31:18	Edu4rdSHL	Yes
2024-10-07 15:31:27	MacGyver	With long-form options the = tends to be mandatory.
2024-10-07 15:31:40	MacGyver	So it's still interpreting this as default path, I wager.
2024-10-07 15:31:40	Edu4rdSHL	I just tried `signal-desktop-beta --user-data-dir=/home/edu4rdshl/.config/SignalTest` along with my already running instance and it worked perfectly
2024-10-07 15:31:47	alwyn	That part seems to work fine without the =
2024-10-07 15:32:36	alwyn	Okay but yeah using /bin/signal-desktop works
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2024-10-07 16:01:44	fp	Hey there, I'm trying to resolve an issue where, in a new install, I'm not able to keep a stable WiFi connection for more than a few minutes.  I've tried uninstalling iwd in favor of NetworkManager, configuring NetworkManager to disable WiFi power saving, and I checked that Fast Boot isn't enabled in the BIOS (in fact, it's not there at all).  So I'm once again seeking help to troubleshoot this.
2024-10-07 16:01:44	fp	 I have a few logs at https://paste.rs/gxk0c
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2024-10-07 16:04:40	Scimmia	fp: looks like dhcpcd is enabled. why?
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2024-10-07 16:05:40	fp	Well I suppose "why" would be because I wanted DHCP, but suppose your asking means it's unnecessary?
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2024-10-07 16:06:21	Scimmia	When using NM, it should never be enabled. NM uses it's own internal client by default, and if you want to use dhcpcd, you need to configure NM to start it instead
2024-10-07 16:06:38	fp	ok, so I should uninstall dhcpcd?
2024-10-07 16:06:59	Scimmia	that's an option, but disable it first
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2024-10-07 16:07:16	Scimmia	what all do you have enabled? `tree /etc/systemd/`
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2024-10-07 16:11:09	fp	Here's what all I have connected https://paste.rs/C7dhE
2024-10-07 16:11:53	Scimmia	iwd shouldn't be enabled, either
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2024-10-07 16:13:12	fp	Ah iwd is anyway uninstalled
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2024-10-07 16:15:10	lemonxah	good day friends :)
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2024-10-07 16:15:21	lemonxah	ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/lemonxah/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/gameoverlayrenderer.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32): ignored.
2024-10-07 16:15:23	lemonxah	any ideas?
2024-10-07 16:15:44	Namarrgon	That's harmless.
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2024-10-07 16:16:08	lemonxah	game isn't starting and that is what i see that is an error
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2024-10-07 16:16:36	fp	Ok I've disabled iwd and dhcpcd.  
2024-10-07 16:16:58	Namarrgon	lemonxah: That's not the cause.
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2024-10-07 16:17:10	astralc	lemonxah: I also see this error and "The game" does start
2024-10-07 16:17:50	Scimmia	fp: chances are that should do it
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2024-10-07 16:18:27	lemonxah	hmm
2024-10-07 16:19:11	fp	Ok so the issue was something like contention over the network hardware?
2024-10-07 16:19:19	fp	(assuming this works)
2024-10-07 16:19:25	Scimmia	yep
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2024-10-07 16:20:17	lemonxah	ok i guess it was the proton version issue
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2024-10-07 16:27:04	ℹ 	Anaphaxeton es conocido ahora como Anaphaxaway
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2024-10-07 16:37:37	lemonxah	ok another quick one.. i have GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false but my windows boot is not detected
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2024-10-07 16:37:47	lemonxah	do the same thing on gentoo and there it detects no issues
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2024-10-07 16:38:58	lemonxah	nvm .. :/ found it now
2024-10-07 16:39:36	lemonxah	ffs struggle for an hour and as soon as i ask for help it starts working :/
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2024-10-07 16:42:58	eyeoh	rubber duck programming
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2024-10-07 16:45:06	lemonxah	yeah
2024-10-07 16:45:07	lemonxah	[    8.280386] mt7921e 0000:0d:00.0: probe with driver mt7921e failed with error -5
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2024-10-07 16:45:55	lemonxah	also this :/ i have read on forums about this .. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=286981 but not sure how to compile my kernel with this patch
2024-10-07 16:45:56	phrik	Title: [Solved] No WiFi with the Mediatek MT7922 adapter and MT7921e driver / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
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2024-10-07 16:47:28	vi6j	what vpn do you all use && / || trust?
2024-10-07 16:48:15	mpan	vi6j: please don’t cross-post, in particular since this is not on-topic in #archlinux.
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2024-10-07 16:49:36	fp	How do you install KDE connect?  The install link on the KDE Connect website gives me an error in Discover that it's not found in any available repositories, but I don't see any reference to what repositories it might be in.  Others say it should be preinstalled, but I don't see it on my system
2024-10-07 16:49:53	vi6j	I tried #archlinux-offtopic and received only trolls. I very much need to invest in a VPN. Thanks for aggravating the situation.
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2024-10-07 16:50:16	Antiz	fp: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/kdeconnect/
2024-10-07 16:50:19	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - kdeconnect 24.08.1-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
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2024-10-07 16:50:49	mefistofeles	lol
2024-10-07 16:52:51	fp	How can I tell if a package is available to install?  I thought of that, but I don't want to just guess based on the name.  I tried pacman -Q kdeconnect and pacman -D kdeconnect, but neither suggest that a package with that name exists, nor does any of KDE Connect's own docs
2024-10-07 16:54:14	Antiz	fp: pacman -Q is for looking through packages installed on your system. What you're looking for is mostly likely `pacman -Ss`
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2024-10-07 16:54:38	Antiz	fp: `pacman -Ss kdeconnect`
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2024-10-07 16:55:36	fp	Cool thanks
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2024-10-07 16:56:00	Antiz	This will look for any packages in the repo that contains the specified pattern(s) (either in the name of the package or the description)
2024-10-07 16:56:18	Antiz	fp: You're welcome
2024-10-07 16:56:23	mpan	-Ss accepts regex, BTW. An often overlooked feature.
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2024-10-07 16:56:45	Antiz	Indeed
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2024-10-07 16:59:29	wisbit	Hey guys, I'm trying to install Caprine (FB Messenger), it's in AUR repos, and I get this error during the build
2024-10-07 16:59:31	wisbit	-> Extracting caprine-2.60.1.tar.gz with bsdtar
2024-10-07 16:59:31	wisbit	==> Starting prepare()...
2024-10-07 16:59:31	wisbit	node: error while loading shared libraries: libicui18n.so.72: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2024-10-07 16:59:31	wisbit	==> ERROR: A failure occurred in prepare().
2024-10-07 16:59:32	wisbit	    Aborting...
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2024-10-07 17:01:03	Edu4rdSHL	Do a full upgrade
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2024-10-07 17:02:11	ℹ 	launchd es conocido ahora como launchdemon
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2024-10-07 15:19:02	BrainDamage	alwyn: flatpak uses bwrap internally, the reason why they conflict is likely because the flatpak permissions lets it access the home dirs that are also used by the regular package, if you revoke them it should use those inside the sandbox
2024-10-07 15:27:16	Edu4rdSHL	alwyn, there are several ways, the most easy is to just use signal-desktop --user-data-dir=
2024-10-07 15:29:27	Edu4rdSHL	You can run as many instances as you want with that
2024-10-07 15:30:50	alwyn	Edu4rdSHL: that still only allows me to run one instance at a time
2024-10-07 15:31:01	Edu4rdSHL	alwyn, how are you using it
2024-10-07 15:31:08	Edu4rdSHL	Full command
2024-10-07 15:31:45	alwyn	Currently trying to run signal-desktop without arguments, and signal-desktop --user-data-dir $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS/Signal2
2024-10-07 15:31:57	Edu4rdSHL	Use a fill path
2024-10-07 15:31:59	Edu4rdSHL	Use a full path
2024-10-07 15:32:09	MacGyver	Also it's missing the =
2024-10-07 15:32:12	Edu4rdSHL	Yes
2024-10-07 15:32:21	MacGyver	With long-form options the = tends to be mandatory.
2024-10-07 15:32:33	MacGyver	So it's still interpreting this as default path, I wager.
2024-10-07 15:32:34	Edu4rdSHL	I just tried `signal-desktop-beta --user-data-dir=/home/edu4rdshl/.config/SignalTest` along with my already running instance and it worked perfectly
2024-10-07 15:32:40	alwyn	That part seems to work fine without the =
2024-10-07 15:33:30	alwyn	Okay but yeah using /bin/signal-desktop works
2024-10-07 16:02:38	fp	Hey there, I'm trying to resolve an issue where, in a new install, I'm not able to keep a stable WiFi connection for more than a few minutes.  I've tried uninstalling iwd in favor of NetworkManager, configuring NetworkManager to disable WiFi power saving, and I checked that Fast Boot isn't enabled in the BIOS (in fact, it's not there at all).  So I'm once again seeking help to troubleshoot this.
2024-10-07 16:02:38	fp	 I have a few logs at https://paste.rs/gxk0c
2024-10-07 16:05:34	Scimmia	fp: looks like dhcpcd is enabled. why?
2024-10-07 16:06:34	fp	Well I suppose "why" would be because I wanted DHCP, but suppose your asking means it's unnecessary?
2024-10-07 16:07:15	Scimmia	When using NM, it should never be enabled. NM uses it's own internal client by default, and if you want to use dhcpcd, you need to configure NM to start it instead
2024-10-07 16:07:32	fp	ok, so I should uninstall dhcpcd?
2024-10-07 16:07:53	Scimmia	that's an option, but disable it first
2024-10-07 16:08:10	Scimmia	what all do you have enabled? `tree /etc/systemd/`
2024-10-07 16:12:03	fp	Here's what all I have connected https://paste.rs/C7dhE
2024-10-07 16:12:47	Scimmia	iwd shouldn't be enabled, either
2024-10-07 16:14:06	fp	Ah iwd is anyway uninstalled
2024-10-07 16:16:04	lemonxah	good day friends :)
2024-10-07 16:16:15	lemonxah	ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/lemonxah/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/gameoverlayrenderer.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32): ignored.
2024-10-07 16:16:17	lemonxah	any ideas?
2024-10-07 16:16:38	Namarrgon	That's harmless.
2024-10-07 16:17:01	lemonxah	game isn't starting and that is what i see that is an error
2024-10-07 16:17:30	fp	Ok I've disabled iwd and dhcpcd.  
2024-10-07 16:17:52	Namarrgon	lemonxah: That's not the cause.
2024-10-07 16:18:03	astralc	lemonxah: I also see this error and "The game" does start
2024-10-07 16:18:43	Scimmia	fp: chances are that should do it
2024-10-07 16:19:20	lemonxah	hmm
2024-10-07 16:20:05	fp	Ok so the issue was something like contention over the network hardware?
2024-10-07 16:20:13	fp	(assuming this works)
2024-10-07 16:20:19	Scimmia	yep
2024-10-07 16:21:11	lemonxah	ok i guess it was the proton version issue
2024-10-07 16:38:31	lemonxah	ok another quick one.. i have GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false but my windows boot is not detected
2024-10-07 16:38:40	lemonxah	do the same thing on gentoo and there it detects no issues
2024-10-07 16:39:52	lemonxah	nvm .. :/ found it now
2024-10-07 16:40:30	lemonxah	ffs struggle for an hour and as soon as i ask for help it starts working :/
2024-10-07 16:43:52	eyeoh	rubber duck programming
2024-10-07 16:46:00	lemonxah	yeah
2024-10-07 16:46:01	lemonxah	[    8.280386] mt7921e 0000:0d:00.0: probe with driver mt7921e failed with error -5
2024-10-07 16:46:49	lemonxah	also this :/ i have read on forums about this .. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=286981 but not sure how to compile my kernel with this patch
2024-10-07 16:46:50	phrik	Title: [Solved] No WiFi with the Mediatek MT7922 adapter and MT7921e driver / Kernel & Hardware / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-10-07 16:48:21	vi6j	what vpn do you all use && / || trust?
2024-10-07 16:49:08	mpan	vi6j: please don’t cross-post, in particular since this is not on-topic in #archlinux.
2024-10-07 16:50:30	fp	How do you install KDE connect?  The install link on the KDE Connect website gives me an error in Discover that it's not found in any available repositories, but I don't see any reference to what repositories it might be in.  Others say it should be preinstalled, but I don't see it on my system
2024-10-07 16:50:47	vi6j	I tried #archlinux-offtopic and received only trolls. I very much need to invest in a VPN. Thanks for aggravating the situation.
2024-10-07 16:51:10	Antiz	fp: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/kdeconnect/
2024-10-07 16:51:13	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - kdeconnect 24.08.1-1 (x86_64) (at archlinux.org)
2024-10-07 16:51:43	mefistofeles	lol
2024-10-07 16:53:45	fp	How can I tell if a package is available to install?  I thought of that, but I don't want to just guess based on the name.  I tried pacman -Q kdeconnect and pacman -D kdeconnect, but neither suggest that a package with that name exists, nor does any of KDE Connect's own docs
2024-10-07 16:55:08	Antiz	fp: pacman -Q is for looking through packages installed on your system. What you're looking for is mostly likely `pacman -Ss`
2024-10-07 16:55:32	Antiz	fp: `pacman -Ss kdeconnect`
2024-10-07 16:56:30	fp	Cool thanks
2024-10-07 16:56:54	Antiz	This will look for any packages in the repo that contains the specified pattern(s) (either in the name of the package or the description)
2024-10-07 16:57:12	Antiz	fp: You're welcome
2024-10-07 16:57:17	mpan	-Ss accepts regex, BTW. An often overlooked feature.
2024-10-07 16:57:39	Antiz	Indeed
2024-10-07 17:00:23	wisbit	Hey guys, I'm trying to install Caprine (FB Messenger), it's in AUR repos, and I get this error during the build
2024-10-07 17:00:24	wisbit	-> Extracting caprine-2.60.1.tar.gz with bsdtar
2024-10-07 17:00:25	wisbit	==> Starting prepare()...
2024-10-07 17:00:25	wisbit	node: error while loading shared libraries: libicui18n.so.72: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2024-10-07 17:00:25	wisbit	==> ERROR: A failure occurred in prepare().
2024-10-07 17:00:26	wisbit	    Aborting...
2024-10-07 17:01:56	Edu4rdSHL	Do a full upgrade
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2024-10-07 18:23:46	lemonxah	i have a X670E-PLUS WIFI and the wifi and bluetooth on the board is not working
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2024-10-07 18:26:26	Edu4rdSHL	Explain not working
2024-10-07 18:26:41	Edu4rdSHL	Devices aren't recognized? Recognized but no connect?
2024-10-07 18:26:56	lemonxah	mt7921e 0000:0d:00.0: probe with driver mt7921e failed with error -5
2024-10-07 18:27:01	lemonxah	Bluetooth: hci0: Failed to send wmt func ctrl (-110)
2024-10-07 18:27:12	Edu4rdSHL	Do you have dual boot?
2024-10-07 18:27:16	lemonxah	i do
2024-10-07 18:27:22	Edu4rdSHL	That's it
2024-10-07 18:27:24	lemonxah	what?
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2024-10-07 18:27:29	lemonxah	how is that it?
2024-10-07 18:28:03	Edu4rdSHL	Go to windows, disable fast startup, **reboot** windows, then select linux
2024-10-07 18:28:11	Edu4rdSHL	That should make them work
2024-10-07 18:28:22	lemonxah	windows has fast startup??
2024-10-07 18:28:26	lemonxah	i dont know windows
2024-10-07 18:28:29	lemonxah	i will go find it
2024-10-07 18:28:31	Edu4rdSHL	Yes, and enabled by default
2024-10-07 18:28:45	lemonxah	ok let me go check
2024-10-07 18:29:09	teraflops	lemonxah: I do have the same device and it works here
2024-10-07 18:29:11	lemonxah	onlyhave windows cause slimevr not working with vr on linux .. although i heard alvr supports it now
2024-10-07 18:29:42	lemonxah	so if alvr works well with slimevr then i might just kill windows alltogether
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2024-10-07 18:29:49	lemonxah	anywya let me go to windows and see if i can fix this
2024-10-07 18:29:55	teraflops	well not sure same device but same driver is loaded
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2024-10-07 18:39:46	wisbit	Edu4rdSHL, doing a full upgrade didn't work, what is the explanation of this issue, can you help ?
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2024-10-07 18:42:31	lemonxah	hi so the wifi isn't working 
2024-10-07 18:42:55	lemonxah	hmm also bt doesn't seem to be working hold on
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2024-10-07 18:43:41	lemonxah	still getting [    8.106808] kernel: mt7921e 0000:0d:00.0: probe with driver mt7921e failed with error -5
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2024-10-07 18:44:00	lemonxah	no error for the bt but bluetoothctl just hangs it doesn't start
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2024-10-07 18:46:44	teraflops	lemonxah: paste full dmesg
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2024-10-07 18:46:49	teraflops	!paste
2024-10-07 18:46:51	phrik	Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-10-07 18:47:15	lemonxah	will do
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2024-10-07 18:48:03	teraflops	lemonxah: did you disable windows fastboot?
2024-10-07 18:48:27	Edu4rdSHL	lemonxah, did you do what I told you with windows?
2024-10-07 18:48:57	lemonxah	i did disable it in windows and i shut the pc off then booted linux again
2024-10-07 18:49:02	lemonxah	http://0x0.st/XExE.txt
2024-10-07 18:49:36	lemonxah	neither bt nor wifi is working :/
2024-10-07 18:50:48	Edu4rdSHL	Did you rebooted from windows as I said?
2024-10-07 18:50:53	Edu4rdSHL	No power off but reboot
2024-10-07 18:53:48	lemonxah	i didn't reboot no i did a power off let me go to windows then reboot.. do i have to reboot to windows again or after selected reboot i just go to arch?
2024-10-07 18:55:23	Edu4rdSHL	Select arch
2024-10-07 18:57:06	Warepire	If that doesn't work, try leaving the machine off and unplugged overnight. Google suggests this worked for several people.
2024-10-07 18:57:06	◣	drathir_tor (~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir) ha salido (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-10-07 18:57:09	lemonxah	ok booting windows then rebooting to arch
2024-10-07 18:57:23	lemonxah	brb
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2024-10-07 18:58:03	Namarrgon	Was that the full log?
2024-10-07 18:59:55	teraflops	Namarrgon: https://0x0.st/XExE.txt dmesg pasted above
2024-10-07 19:00:29	Namarrgon	It's just weird that after second 28 nothing happens for ten minutes.
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2024-10-07 19:46:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-07 19:01:23	Namarrgon	It's just weird that after second 28 nothing happens for ten minutes.
2024-10-07 19:01:40	lemonxah	that did not work
2024-10-07 19:01:49	lemonxah	so tonight i just leave it off with power unplugged?
2024-10-07 19:02:10	lemonxah	hmm maybe there is also a bios update i haven't checked
2024-10-07 19:02:36	Warepire	lemonxah: Worth a shot, the "driver own failed" message from the dmesg gave me some hits in bugzillas where people reported this fixed their problem with this module.
2024-10-07 19:03:03	Warepire	A bios update could also maybe fix it.
2024-10-07 19:03:13	Namarrgon	why is split-lock detection disabled?
2024-10-07 19:04:46	lemonxah	gaming :/
2024-10-07 19:04:59	lemonxah	some games are hobbled cause they are doing naughty things
2024-10-07 19:05:46	lemonxah	one in particular is god of war runs at 25fps with split lock detection enabled and when disabled it runs at 200fps
2024-10-07 19:06:32	lemonxah	if there is another way to fix that issue i am all ears
2024-10-07 19:07:21	lemonxah	this is also me not following the things 
2024-10-07 19:07:28	lemonxah	i see that sysctl has a way to disbale the misery mode
2024-10-07 19:07:33	lemonxah	i might look into that
2024-10-07 19:08:28	Namarrgon	Do you get the same two lines when you re-load the module?
2024-10-07 19:08:36	lemonxah	let me test
2024-10-07 19:09:33	lemonxah	yes
2024-10-07 19:10:02	Namarrgon	Did it ever work?
2024-10-07 19:10:46	lemonxah	yes
2024-10-07 19:11:21	lemonxah	wifi stopped working a while back (now that i think about it, after a bios update)
2024-10-07 19:11:21	Namarrgon	Which event broke it?
2024-10-07 19:11:29	lemonxah	but i dont really use wifi so it didn't bug me
2024-10-07 19:11:33	lemonxah	but bluetooth i use
2024-10-07 19:11:41	Namarrgon	Did you test the lts kernel?
2024-10-07 19:11:43	lemonxah	and that worked yesterday in gentoo
2024-10-07 19:12:00	lemonxah	but today i replaced my root with arch and kept my home
2024-10-07 19:13:01	lemonxah	let me do a quick bios update i see there are newer ones, latest one is beta so will use earlier one
2024-10-07 19:29:46	jayray	anyone wanna do some kernel stuff w me?
2024-10-07 19:30:58	jayray	no bites... *ok google, please rephase that question in #archlinux specific language
2024-10-07 19:32:05	jayray	so I Suy'd the other day and got kernel 6.11.2, and now ipt-netflow doesnt compile. it errors out on a bunch of -Wincompatible-pointer-types errors
2024-10-07 19:32:39	jayray	!paste
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2024-10-07 19:34:19	jayray	https://gist.github.com/jayray-git/913002b763e7216ecfd18a482b7cd220
2024-10-07 19:34:21	phrik	Title: ipt-netflow kernel 6.11.2 compile error · GitHub (at gist.github.com)
2024-10-07 19:35:17	jayray	I initially thought it was becuse of gcc14.. but it has been compiling for months fine with a few warnings on gcc14
2024-10-07 19:36:06	Warepire	Did you jump a kernel version (e.g. from 6.10 to 6.11)? Possibly new warnings or changes to the kernel could be causing this.
2024-10-07 19:36:28	jayray	so I narrowed it down to the latest kernel update causing the issue.. so idk if there is something missing in the kernel headers, or its just old code that the dev needs to update on ipt-netflow
2024-10-07 19:36:36	jayray	Warepire: it is that
2024-10-07 19:37:10	jayray	idk C enough to fix their code :|
2024-10-07 19:38:58	Warepire	jayray: Try a later version of the module, if one exists, otherwise check if someone fixed it in the repo but haven't made a release yet, in that case, just wait.
2024-10-07 19:39:06	Warepire	Or make a bug report if neither has happened
2024-10-07 19:39:06	demonicmaniac1	report it upstream to fix it, use lts until upstream gets their shit together
2024-10-07 19:40:02	Namarrgon	The last commit has been over a year ago.
2024-10-07 19:40:18	demonicmaniac1	that sounds like SOL then
2024-10-07 19:40:25	jayray	*already done those things Warepire - waiting on them to fix.
2024-10-07 19:40:38	Namarrgon	No activity by the maintainer since then either.
2024-10-07 19:43:30	lemonxah	ok i can confirm a bios update did not fix it
2024-10-07 19:43:35	lemonxah	i will leave it unpowered over night
2024-10-07 19:43:44	lemonxah	unless there is something else i could possibly try
2024-10-07 19:44:12	lemonxah	the bt is working in windows though so why its not working in linux i am stumped
2024-10-07 19:44:46	jayray	maybe I find a better AI to fix their code
2024-10-07 19:45:15	heyAkaKitsune	Is there anything i need to install for zoom to work. Im on Hyprland. Its just really buggy
2024-10-07 19:45:42	Namarrgon	"to work"?
2024-10-07 19:46:09	heyAkaKitsune	Clicking on buttons the menu will disipear right after i click on it
2024-10-07 19:46:47	heyAkaKitsune	sometimes the screen just freezes
2024-10-07 19:46:58	lemonxah	thats zoom on wayland for you
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2024-10-07 19:46:07	lemonxah	its fun .. 
2024-10-07 19:46:17	heyAkaKitsune	is the web client better
2024-10-07 19:46:27	ℹ 	chikuwasuka1 es conocido ahora como chikuwasuka
2024-10-07 19:46:56	lemonxah	i dont know i haven't used it, i am using zoom on plasma 6 wayland
2024-10-07 19:47:05	lemonxah	not great but it kinda works sometimes
2024-10-07 19:47:09	lemonxah	screen sharing just doens't
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2024-10-07 19:47:17	heyAkaKitsune	thats fine thanks anyways
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2024-10-07 19:47:25	heyAkaKitsune	why do people still use IRC
2024-10-07 19:47:39	koalamaci	why would anyone use discord
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2024-10-07 19:48:01	lemonxah	i have discord but only to speak to my wife and select few friends voice channels while gaming
2024-10-07 19:48:01	heyAkaKitsune	well a LOT of people use discord
2024-10-07 19:48:03	lemonxah	irc just better
2024-10-07 19:48:07	heyAkaKitsune	but how
2024-10-07 19:48:15	koalamaci	well a LOT of people use IRC
2024-10-07 19:48:16	lemonxah	also remember discord is not an irc replacement
2024-10-07 19:48:19	Warepire	heyAkaKitsune: People use what they like, so a whole bunch of people just like IRC it seems.
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2024-10-07 19:48:36	lemonxah	been using irc since early 90s
2024-10-07 19:48:58	lemonxah	anywya let me go debug my issue some more .. if thats even possible
2024-10-07 19:49:30	koalamaci	I use Signal to talk to my wife
2024-10-07 19:49:34	koalamaci	perhaps a notch above discord
2024-10-07 19:49:58	◣	nunonogueir444 (~nunonogue@user/nunonogueir444) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2024-10-07 19:50:54	heyAkaKitsune	any tips for using IRC?
2024-10-07 19:51:34	lemonxah	when i say i use discord .. its only when we are both in a game 
2024-10-07 19:51:39	heat	type and press enter?
2024-10-07 19:51:40	lemonxah	voice basically is all i use from it
2024-10-07 19:51:56	lemonxah	but whatsapp and signal on the phone yes
2024-10-07 19:52:11	lemonxah	anyway i am off topic, let me go fix my issues
2024-10-07 19:53:17	koalamaci	recs on audio player for someone used to fb2k?
2024-10-07 19:56:38	Warepire	koalamaci: deadbeef
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2024-10-07 20:13:27	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1471 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1470 regular)
2024-10-07 20:13:17	jayray	thanks chatgpt.. it fixed
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2024-10-07 20:17:37	knghtbrd	ooh, deadbeef is a good suggestion
2024-10-07 20:17:48	⚡ 	knghtbrd had never heard of that player
2024-10-07 20:17:59	demonicmaniac1	people really do not understand that discord is owned by a single company and forbids third party clients and can ban anybody from all of discord on a whim and is centralized
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2024-10-07 20:20:49	Erus_Iluvatar	demonicmaniac1: leave it time, it's inevitable some kind of scandal emerges 
2024-10-07 20:21:17	koalamaci	I'm using Datcord with it
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2024-10-07 21:06:26	varjack	trying to update today and qemu created a conflicting package: qemu-system-nios2 and qemu-common. can i just forceably remove qemu-system-nios2? its got dependencies all the way up to qemu-full, and i'd rather not uninstall all of that 
2024-10-07 21:08:28	gromit	varjack: yes you can just remove it 
2024-10-07 21:09:06	gromit	varjack: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/qemu/-/commit/ced0e3e4419a18c090cf1feb8156ae2b93d892aa
2024-10-07 21:09:08	phrik	Title: Remove qemu-system-nios2 as it is removed with qemu 9.1.0 (ced0e3e4) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / qemu · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-10-07 21:09:54	varjack	ah, thanks gromit
2024-10-07 21:14:01	koalamaci	thanks Warepire, just what I needed
2024-10-07 21:18:10	Trel	susi: I'm going to make a forum post, I think async would be better for the issue
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2024-10-07 21:24:09	Trel	(yes sound works before during and after, it blips like a milisecond when it happens though)
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2024-10-07 21:27:06	susi	Trel: so it might be power-saving thingie
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2024-10-07 21:28:48	Trel	Any idea what to look at to even begin to diagnose it?
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2024-10-07 21:35:23	susi	so the sound works after the renumeration in other software, or even in the one in question?
2024-10-07 21:35:40	susi	didn't quite understand your previous answer to this, sorry
2024-10-07 21:35:48	Trel	Well discord is now core dumping when it happens (appears to reenumerate multiple times) 
2024-10-07 21:35:55	Trel	Prior, yes, sound would work in discord
2024-10-07 21:36:01	susi	"now"? wasn't before?
2024-10-07 21:36:13	Trel	When Wine (specifically wow, and logging into wow) triggers it, yes, sound works in wow afterwards
2024-10-07 21:36:20	susi	does the sound work in the browser after this happens, now?
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2024-10-07 21:36:36	Trel	yes, system sound isn't affected at all other than the brief blip AS it happens
2024-10-07 21:36:44	susi	you should post more complete logs
2024-10-07 21:36:51	Trel	I don't have
2024-10-07 21:36:56	susi	journalctl
2024-10-07 21:36:57	Trel	It doesn't seem to show up anywhere else
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2024-10-07 21:37:09	susi	don't post just thing syou think are related
2024-10-07 21:37:11	Trel	The snippet I posted it all is produces when it happens
2024-10-07 21:37:36	Trel	same as with my forum post https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2200897
2024-10-07 21:37:38	phrik	Title: Issue with what appears to be audio devices re-enumerating / Multimedia and Games / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-10-07 21:38:15	susi	after what did discord start crashing?
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2024-10-07 21:38:35	susi	and could you post whole `journalctl' of such session - I don't think there should be anything confidental
2024-10-07 21:38:52	Trel	What constitutes a sessons?
2024-10-07 21:38:52	◣	hdh (~hdh@user/hdh) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2024-10-07 21:39:04	Trel	the snippet I posted was from open and at rest
2024-10-07 21:39:14	Trel	Like had been open hours
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2024-10-07 21:39:52	Trel	as for when, between the version of discord out last sunday and yesterday
2024-10-07 21:40:07	susi	but what happened between sunday and yesterday?
2024-10-07 21:40:13	susi	did you reboot, restart discord, upgrade discord, or something
2024-10-07 21:40:16	Trel	multiple discord versions
2024-10-07 21:40:24	Trel	BUT that's only for discord crashing from it
2024-10-07 21:40:30	Trel	only the crash is new
2024-10-07 21:40:40	Trel	the rest of the issue has been happening for months
2024-10-07 21:40:43	susi	what it says when it crashes?
2024-10-07 21:40:52	susi	run it from a shell, do the thing, and see what it outputs
2024-10-07 21:41:08	susi	or if it collects logs elsewhere; \I don't use it
2024-10-07 21:41:18	Trel	it's a core dump
2024-10-07 21:41:35	susi	yes, but have you run it from a shell? so that you can observe its output
2024-10-07 21:41:50	Trel	https://bpa.st/XN3KK
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2024-10-07 21:41:56	phrik	Title: View paste XN3KK (at bpa.st)
2024-10-07 21:41:59	Trel	that's the full dump, let me see if it says anythign run from a shell but Id oubt it
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2024-10-07 21:42:10	susi	okay, but the question stays
2024-10-07 21:42:30	susi	could you run it from a shell, and then see if it outputs anything usefu
2024-10-07 21:42:40	Trel	(I said let me see)
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2024-10-07 21:44:05	Trel	here you go, open and at rest, and then triggered it by joining a voice channel https://bpa.st/TCJ4W
2024-10-07 21:44:10	phrik	Title: View paste TCJ4W (at bpa.st)
2024-10-07 21:44:46	Trel	(it strikes me that it's a voice channel that causes it, and World of Warcraft has voice chat (though I don't use it), let me see if opening something else that can access the mic triggers it)
2024-10-07 21:45:00	Trel	It does
2024-10-07 21:45:17	Trel	I opened Audacity, and it happened, I'm going to update the forum topic with both bits
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2024-10-07 22:13:04	Trel	an additional datapoint is Audacity -> Audio Setup -> Rescan Audio Devices also triggers it
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2024-10-08 00:15:04	topcat001	I just found out about rtorrent-ps. Looks pretty :)
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2024-10-08 00:56:51	gehidore	topcat001 have you learned about our lord and savior aria2c?
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2024-10-08 01:27:09	topcat001	aria2 is great and I do use it, but have you seen the ncurses eye-candy in rtorrent-ps? It's beautiful
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2024-10-08 01:29:32	topcat001	I have transmission and generally just use the transmission-remote cli (and rarely the web) because I prefer the "cli conversation" format rather than holding up a terminal. Also have tremc. rtorrent-ps is just for eye-candy.
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2024-10-08 01:48:53	gehidore	Fair and you're not wrong: that does look to be nice eye candy
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2024-10-08 02:04:05	Edu4rdSHL	I just use fragments
2024-10-08 02:04:07	Edu4rdSHL	:p
2024-10-08 02:04:28	Edu4rdSHL	I'd to say that I don't download torrents too much
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2024-10-08 02:51:33	red_man	hi all
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2024-10-08 02:57:58	red_man	sohey guys have a hp laptop and when i booted w/ usb
2024-10-08 02:58:17	red_man	i got a bunch of bios error messages
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2024-10-08 02:58:33	red_man	can go ahead w/ install
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2024-10-08 03:00:02	Edu4rdSHL	If they are ACPI errors you can almost safely ignore them
2024-10-08 03:01:00	red_man	yes
2024-10-08 03:01:06	red_man	they are
2024-10-08 03:01:51	red_man	cause the arch media booted fine no errors
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2024-10-08 10:01:07	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-08 05:30:42	Trel	susi: based on some other issues I've seen and something else I've noticed, I think pipewire may be the cause of the issue.  Plus, the same headset, on Arch on my laptop on which I don't use pipewire, but pulse, does not exhibit it
2024-10-08 05:30:55	Trel	by same headset, I mean same physical headset
2024-10-08 06:03:49	basicnpc	Archlinux is on bleeding-edge mode. What happens if both packages X and Y rely on library A, but package X is upgrading (requiring A to be updated to A2), while package Y still needs the older version of A?
2024-10-08 06:04:40	MacGyver	The short answer is that it doesn't.
2024-10-08 06:06:04	basicnpc	it?
2024-10-08 06:06:54	basicnpc	In practice, X may depend on many libraries A, B, C, D, E... each of them are used by many other packages too. This makes the problem really complicated.
2024-10-08 06:07:56	MacGyver	If you're talking about the situation *while pacman is actualy upgrading*, then whatever software is running already has the old version loaded. There's a brief window in which you might not be able to start the software successfully, and after the upgrade all the libraries are up to date.
2024-10-08 06:08:18	MacGyver	But if you're talking about packaging: this basically doesn't happen.
2024-10-08 06:09:10	MacGyver	Upstream tends to develop against recent versions of libraries, and libraries tend to have a window of compatibility. If both X and Y depend on A, and A gets a version bump, both X and Y get rebuilt.
2024-10-08 06:10:23	MacGyver	If it turns out that Y is lagging behind, then it *does* happen that X gets held back for a short while to give Y a chance to catch up; if Y doesn't catch up, sometimes you get a versioned package in the repositories.
2024-10-08 06:10:30	MacGyver	This is how you get e.g. openssl-1.0
2024-10-08 06:10:59	MacGyver	But this is much, *much* rarer than you might think.
2024-10-08 06:15:41	hype	I'm new to Linux. Is it dangerous for a newbie to rely on archinstall?
2024-10-08 06:16:37	MacGyver	Dangerous? No. Recommended? Also no.
2024-10-08 06:17:20	MacGyver	You won't understand how your system is put together and will therefore be hampered in your troubleshooting ability.
2024-10-08 06:17:40	MacGyver	A newbie using archinstall basically gets the worst of both worlds.
2024-10-08 06:20:25	hype	I see, thank you.
2024-10-08 06:20:50	furrykef	One could argue that if you just follow the install guide but you only see it as a list of magic phrases to type in, you still won't understand how your system is put together
2024-10-08 06:21:15	furrykef	I did install Arch manually, but I think I understood it mostly because I already had years of experience with Linux
2024-10-08 06:23:26	hype	I got it.
2024-10-08 06:34:05	basicnpc	MacGyver THanks!
2024-10-08 06:37:51	izumi	exit
2024-10-08 07:01:48	Trel	Hold up, you mean it's NOT a list of magic phraseS?
2024-10-08 07:04:59	MacGyver	Sure it is.
2024-10-08 07:05:37	MacGyver	You're typing magic phrases into a contraption consisting of flattened sand with lightning in it, pushing invisible stuff around to make things happen.
2024-10-08 07:05:52	MacGyver	The only thing missing from most people's machines is the pentagram.
2024-10-08 07:27:37	eyeoh	hype: I recommend you play around with arch in a virtual machine - for example, qemu-kvm (via virt-manager), or even via virtualbox (generally a bit easier to use; but less ideal)
2024-10-08 07:28:04	eyeoh	hype: that way you won't break anything on your system but you'll still get to see what the latest packages look like, etc
2024-10-08 07:28:43	eyeoh	this applies for other distros too of course; it'll save time on distro hopping and waiting for reboots since you can multitask while mucking around with VMs
2024-10-08 07:32:07	hype	eyeoh I see! I'll try it.
2024-10-08 07:37:50	hnOsmium0001	I've had a non-zero number of times speeding through the installation and then forgetting to install a wifi package before rebooting
2024-10-08 07:38:07	hnOsmium0001	and then have to painfully pull out the live USB again to reinstall it
2024-10-08 07:39:02	hnOsmium0001	but I can't really think of a way to rewording the installation guide to make this less likely
2024-10-08 08:41:36	lemonxah	good day
2024-10-08 08:41:41	lemonxah	so turns out .. wifi is working again
2024-10-08 08:41:52	lemonxah	after leaving pc off and unplugged for 1 hour
2024-10-08 08:42:56	mpan	lemonxah: I don’t know the context, but perhaps it were neighbours affecting your connection quality?
2024-10-08 08:44:07	mpan	Because, other than something overheating, temperature-dependent damage, and electrostatic charges, there isn’t much that could disappear by itself by just waiting for a hour.
2024-10-08 08:44:55	lemonxah	no the hardware didn't work :)
2024-10-08 08:45:08	NetSysHellFire	in my experience, i live in a densely populated area, 2.4 ghz is unusable and i force my connection to my wifi to be 5 ghz only
2024-10-08 08:46:11	lemonxah	hardware on the board malfuntioned
2024-10-08 08:46:28	lemonxah	bt still isn't working but not sure why
2024-10-08 08:46:51	lemonxah	bt works on windows dual boot but not in arch
2024-10-08 08:48:09	NetSysHellFire	mpan: i could imagine a cold boot can solve some things. e.g with my wifi card if its missing a kernel module parameter the card will lock up and only a proper cold boot will solve it.
2024-10-08 08:48:44	mpan	I was focused on the “unplugged for 1 hour” part. :)
2024-10-08 08:54:30	lemonxah	yes i also thought that wouldn't work when someone suggested it
2024-10-08 08:55:02	lemonxah	i was getting kernel: mt7921e 0000:0d:00.0: probe with driver mt7921e failed with error -5
2024-10-08 08:55:12	lemonxah	in dmesg and everytime i would load that kernel module
2024-10-08 08:55:19	lemonxah	for at least 2 months
2024-10-08 08:55:44	lemonxah	this morning i left to take daughter to school so i just unplugged the pc came back turned it on .. and its working
2024-10-08 08:55:45	lemonxah	:/
2024-10-08 08:55:55	lemonxah	bluetooth still isn't working though
2024-10-08 08:55:57	NetSysHellFire	ok so what hardware is this exactly? is that a laptop?
2024-10-08 08:56:02	lemonxah	no
2024-10-08 08:56:22	lemonxah	https://www.asus.com/za/motherboards-components/motherboards/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-x670e-plus-wifi/
2024-10-08 08:56:23	phrik	Title: TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI | Motherboard | ASUS South Africa (at www.asus.com)
2024-10-08 08:57:18	NetSysHellFire	first of all, obtain the pci/usb id using lsusb or lspci -nn
2024-10-08 08:57:46	NetSysHellFire	then copy that id and search for it, putting it in quotes, e.g "1022:166f"
2024-10-08 08:57:50	lemonxah	ok and the bt not working .. that one is on me :) never enabled the bluetooth.service
2024-10-08 08:57:54	NetSysHellFire	lol
2024-10-08 08:58:09	NetSysHellFire	maybe there are already bug reports for the wifi thing and specifying the pci/usb id guarantees you will only find relevant stuff
2024-10-08 08:58:41	lemonxah	so that is how we found this fix, we have exhausted our options and then we found a post of someone saying it worked for them and others also said thanks it works so .. that is weird af
2024-10-08 09:28:28	rav	why setting PKGEXT doesnt work for pacman? how do I set compression algorithm then?
2024-10-08 09:29:56	bookworm	pacman doesn't care, makepkg does
2024-10-08 09:30:07	bookworm	and for that there's a compression option in the config
2024-10-08 09:36:59	jelle	rav: what do you actually mean
2024-10-08 09:37:27	jelle	pamcan -U takes every supported PKGEXT
2024-10-08 10:01:09	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-08 11:46:06	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-08 10:36:13	MrElendig	lemonxah: what are you using to connect?
2024-10-08 10:36:54	MrElendig	lemonxah: it's a known problem that wpa_supplicant sometimes choose wext instead of nl80211 for the mediatek devices
2024-10-08 10:37:21	MrElendig	but could just as well be a broken laptop, that is also common
2024-10-08 11:14:16	rav	arch hangs at "reading local package database" - what should I do?
2024-10-08 11:16:02	grawity	the whole arch or just pacman specifically?
2024-10-08 11:16:44	rav	whole computer freezes
2024-10-08 11:17:13	grawity	from which pacman command?
2024-10-08 11:20:16	rav	pacman -S waterfox
2024-10-08 11:21:17	rav	pikaur -S waterfox too
2024-10-08 11:22:47	jelle	rav: well pacman -S waterfox should result in nothing?
2024-10-08 11:22:58	jelle	waterfox is thankfully not in the repos
2024-10-08 11:23:13	jelle	pikaur -S waterfox would compile waterfox which I can imagine takes resources
2024-10-08 11:23:13	rav	oh, yes, sorry
2024-10-08 11:23:38	grawity	wouldn't expect it to happen at the point of "reading local package database" though
2024-10-08 11:23:46	grawity	that's just loading /var/lib/pacman/local isn't it
2024-10-08 11:24:05	jelle	maybe this is on a hdd? 
2024-10-08 11:24:07	rav	and it was waterfox-bin
2024-10-08 11:24:32	rav	nope, on ssd
2024-10-08 11:26:27	rav	sorry, again, I was trying to pikaur -S waterfox (no bin) and it hung after installing all dependencies, at "reading local package database". No waterfox was compiled, just pulled deps and hang there
2024-10-08 11:26:46	rav	database corrupted?
2024-10-08 11:26:52	grawity	ok to be clear
2024-10-08 11:26:58	grawity	does it happen with pacman, specifically?
2024-10-08 11:27:06	rav	no
2024-10-08 11:27:10	grawity	just pikaur?
2024-10-08 11:27:21	rav	yes, as waterfox is only in aur
2024-10-08 11:28:48	rav	ok, I expect your point to ask in #archlinux-offtopic, am I right?
2024-10-08 11:29:06	grawity	my point is "narrow down to what conditions cause it to happen"
2024-10-08 11:29:23	Ingar	and check journal :)
2024-10-08 11:29:59	grawity	out of curiosity, 1) how much RAM do you have, 2) can you have e.g. htop running in one terminal, dmesg -ew in another, and then do the pikaur command, see if htop shows you suddenly running out of RAM or something like that
2024-10-08 11:31:45	rav	4GB+1GB swapfile, but if it was out of RAM the disk indicator should blink, but it doesn't, and the coursor should move from time to time, but it doesn't. I mean: I have seen out of RAM symptoms
2024-10-08 11:33:50	MrElendig	running out of ram can lock up IO so badly so fast that you won't really notice it on the disk indicator
2024-10-08 11:34:55	MrElendig	also, 4gb of ram is way too little to build waterfox unless you single core it and even then it can happily oom
2024-10-08 11:35:28	⚡ 	MrElendig have oom'ed building firefox on 32gb of ram
2024-10-08 11:46:07	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-08 11:51:02	tryh4rd	hello
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2024-10-08 11:53:08	mkoskar	hi there tryh4rd
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2024-10-08 11:55:49	hseg	Hi. I'm trying to add check() to a python package, but unfortunately it appears upstream has written the tests assuming the package binaries are already installed. Suggestions to work around this?
2024-10-08 11:56:12	hseg	(i.e. the tests run /usr/bin/flake8p and compare the output to expectations)
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2024-10-08 11:58:28	Erus_Iluvatar	hseg: look at how https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/flake8/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads does it
2024-10-08 11:58:29	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / flake8 · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-10-08 12:00:01	jelle	we should find a better way
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2024-10-08 12:00:19	jelle	hseg: learn to love ruff!
2024-10-08 12:00:44	hseg	Ah, that works. I was considering patching the test to use python -m module instead
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2024-10-08 12:00:53	hseg	jelle: how would ruff help
2024-10-08 12:00:55	hseg	?
2024-10-08 12:01:08	bluetail	Is there no easier way to search through community equalizer profiles in easyeffects? I made now lots of symlinks to the git repo. https://0x0.st/XEUT.png
2024-10-08 12:01:09	jelle	it would not help, it would be an alternative to flake8
2024-10-08 12:01:33	hseg	oh, sure. unfortunately, flake8 is a transitive dep for me
2024-10-08 12:01:55	jelle	hseg: interesting
2024-10-08 12:02:12	hseg	btw, another package that makes a temporary installation because upstream is annoying is https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=papis-git
2024-10-08 12:02:14	phrik	Title: PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories (at aur.archlinux.org)
2024-10-08 12:02:33	jelle	hseg: you mean another package depends on flake8p?
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2024-10-08 12:04:11	hseg	checkdep for papis-git
2024-10-08 12:04:34	hseg	though given that flake8 is a style checker, it might be worth dropping that test
2024-10-08 12:05:01	hseg	the mypy tests are more sensible, though
2024-10-08 12:05:17	jelle	mypy is not sensible either
2024-10-08 12:05:34	hseg	why not?
2024-10-08 12:05:47	jelle	arch is a rolling distro, mypy checks will get outdated or break
2024-10-08 12:06:03	hseg	haven't had breakage yet on that front
2024-10-08 12:06:05	jelle	sadly many python projects have the nature of auto-running everything
2024-10-08 12:06:20	jelle	same for pytest-cov, should really not run
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2024-10-08 12:07:08	ℹ 	innegatives9 es conocido ahora como innegatives
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2024-10-08 12:07:43	hseg	hrm, fair, it is more of a dev test than a check-package-functionality test
2024-10-08 12:07:59	jelle	yup
2024-10-08 12:08:31	jelle	now this is less of a concern for the AUR, but it makes bootstraping and rebuilding things more annoying too
2024-10-08 12:09:06	hseg	you're telling me -- papis has 39 transitive AUR deps by my count
2024-10-08 12:09:26	jelle	:-)
2024-10-08 12:09:51	hseg	other than frequent breakage, is mypy really that insensible?
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2024-10-08 12:10:27	jelle	what does it proof for a package?
2024-10-08 12:11:09	hseg	that the devs haven't accidentally inserted a type error into the code?
2024-10-08 12:11:29	hseg	and hence, that the code is less likely to crash?
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2024-10-08 12:11:57	hseg	or should we be compiling Haskell programs with -fdefer-type-errors?
2024-10-08 12:12:37	jelle	are you going to gate pacakges on mypy errors?
2024-10-08 12:12:49	hseg	I haven't had any so far
2024-10-08 12:12:49	jelle	python isn't as strictly typed as haskell so the comparison can't be made
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2024-10-08 12:13:28	hseg	and given this is a -git package, I'm assuming it's a good idea for users to be as conservative as possible
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2024-10-08 12:13:48	hseg	not all projects have good main-branch discipline
2024-10-08 12:14:38	jelle	compare mypy/flake8/ruff with -Werror
2024-10-08 12:14:44	jelle	-Werror in a package is a nonoo
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2024-10-08 12:17:16	hseg	hrm, fair
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2024-10-08 12:17:51	hseg	right, we're not here to discipline upstream, just to protect the users from shooting themselves in the foot
2024-10-08 12:18:23	hseg	that's why I can accept this argument for style checkers
2024-10-08 12:18:55	hseg	but aren't type checkers, even for weakly typed languages, a form of upstream release validity check?
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2024-10-08 12:19:10	hseg	or are you going to tell me I shouldn't block on unit test failures either?
2024-10-08 12:19:56	jelle	unit test failures are a sign something is wrong imo
2024-10-08 12:20:27	ℹ 	SubWorx es conocido ahora como Sub|Doc
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2024-10-08 12:21:30	hseg	and mypy failures aren't?
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2024-10-08 12:22:00	jelle	I personally found mypy too brittle/slow and annoying
2024-10-08 12:22:15	jelle	I have had mypy find legit bugs, but are you going to fail an AUR package on it and fix it upstream?
2024-10-08 12:22:50	hseg	Think so, yes. It doesn't happen frequently enough to worry me
2024-10-08 12:23:18	hseg	more annoying is the bootstrapping -- quite a few mypy packages are AUR-only
2024-10-08 12:23:32	jelle	mypy packages?
2024-10-08 12:23:49	jelle	oh people package the types pacakages wauw
2024-10-08 12:24:43	jelle	should those just be in https://github.com/python/typeshed
2024-10-08 12:24:45	phrik	Title: GitHub - python/typeshed: Collection of library stubs for Python, with static types (at github.com)
2024-10-08 12:25:01	hseg	unfortunately, it doesn't contain all of them
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2024-10-08 12:28:52	hseg	... wait, I find all of the packages I have installed explicitly there. Will need to check if they're necessary
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2024-10-08 12:38:11	hseg	huh, weird. despite their appearance in typeshed, excluding them prevents mypy from succeeding
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2024-10-08 13:14:09	lemonxah	xpadneo-dkms installing issue, where can find out why there is an error? pacman.log doesn't have the error
2024-10-08 13:14:58	Namarrgon	Is it a pacman issue or a dkms issue?
2024-10-08 13:15:34	Namarrgon	dkms usually tells you which log file to consult when it fails.
2024-10-08 13:15:58	lemonxah	doesn't show log file
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2024-10-08 13:16:11	Namarrgon	Well, what does it show?
2024-10-08 13:16:22	lemonxah	==> Initcpio image generation successfulerror: command failed to execute correctly
2024-10-08 13:16:40	Namarrgon	Post the full output.
2024-10-08 13:16:46	Namarrgon	including stderr
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2024-10-08 13:16:58	lemonxah	there is no error in the output until that point
2024-10-08 13:17:00	lemonxah	but sure
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2024-10-08 13:17:37	lemonxah	http://0x0.st/XEUD.txt
2024-10-08 13:17:54	jelle	full /boot?
2024-10-08 13:18:03	lemonxah	?
2024-10-08 13:18:45	lemonxah	boot is part of root so cant be full
2024-10-08 13:18:45	Namarrgon	That is from the mkinitcpio hooks, nothing to do with dkms
2024-10-08 13:18:57	Namarrgon	You should get the same error from "mkinitcpio -P"
2024-10-08 13:19:01	lemonxah	 i dont
2024-10-08 13:19:10	lemonxah	minitcpio -P runs fine
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2024-10-08 13:20:06	astralc	> WARNING: errors were encountered during the build. The image may not be complete.
2024-10-08 13:20:16	lemonxah	http://0x0.st/XEU5.txt
2024-10-08 13:20:17	astralc	in the normal initramfs
2024-10-08 13:20:30	lemonxah	i didn't see that yes causse WARNING
2024-10-08 13:20:34	lemonxah	anyway let me check that
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2024-10-08 13:25:55	lemonxah	where does mkinitcpio have log files?
2024-10-08 13:26:13	Namarrgon	It doesn't write a log file by itself.
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2024-10-08 13:27:28	astralc	it have -v switch
2024-10-08 13:27:47	lemonxah	ah thanks
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2024-10-08 13:32:17	lemonxah	let me paste that cause i dont see anything
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2024-10-08 13:36:58	lemonxah	http://0x0.st/XE0r.log
2024-10-08 13:37:08	lemonxah	anything in here stands out to someone?
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2024-10-08 14:01:16	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-10-08 14:01:16	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1455 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1454 regular)
2024-10-08 14:01:43	floatd	Should I just try to mount it again?
2024-10-08 14:01:54	Namarrgon	And the rest of the output?
2024-10-08 14:01:18	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-10-08 14:01:24	floatd	1: drwx------ floatd floatd floatd
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2024-10-08 14:34:19	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-10-08 14:34:19	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1458 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1457 regular)
2024-10-08 14:02:32	floatd	Is there a good text host?
2024-10-08 14:02:38	Namarrgon	!0x0
2024-10-08 14:02:39	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-10-08 14:03:16	floatd	https://0x0.st/XE0P.txt
2024-10-08 14:04:41	Namarrgon	The fs was empty when you started setting this up?
2024-10-08 14:05:06	floatd	Had a file called lost+found
2024-10-08 14:05:18	floatd	folder
2024-10-08 14:05:39	another|	why tf would you give the folder 777?
2024-10-08 14:06:03	floatd	I think through dolphin I just enabled all permissions :D
2024-10-08 14:06:32	vycka	did you start steam after setting up folder or before
2024-10-08 14:07:11	another|	well, 777 is never the solution
2024-10-08 14:07:21	floatd	I've restarted a couple times, but that didn't help at all
2024-10-08 14:08:19	Ingar	steam uses ~/.steam maybe that is what is referring to
2024-10-08 14:08:59	another|	you can add additional locations
2024-10-08 14:09:27	Ingar	yes, but it still uses ~/.steam for "stuff"
2024-10-08 14:10:09	Ingar	personally, I have my .steam linked to /var/home/ingar/steam and games library in /mnt/local/games
2024-10-08 14:10:41	another|	ah, you mean the write errors referring to that?
2024-10-08 14:10:49	Ingar	another|: indeed
2024-10-08 14:11:28	another|	maybe
2024-10-08 14:11:29	Ingar	could be tested by moving the library out of the way
2024-10-08 14:11:39	Ingar	(just rename it or sth)
2024-10-08 14:12:36	floatd	Move the library?
2024-10-08 14:15:24	madprops	would be nice to make an ai make unicode emojis for all my installed applications maybe
2024-10-08 14:15:35	madprops	with a simple api
2024-10-08 14:16:09	floatd	I unmounted the drive
2024-10-08 14:16:09	madprops	to use in rofi menus and stuff, but i guess i can just use the system icons
2024-10-08 14:16:21	floatd	How should I mount it to /mnt/local/games
2024-10-08 14:16:29	floatd	with proper permissions
2024-10-08 14:18:10	rahl	I can no longer find gdb-multiarch in the aur. Any idea why?
2024-10-08 14:20:08	demonicmaniac1	madprops: you don't need "ai" to make a similarity match between the full unicode symbol list and its pixels vs the application icon/symbol svg
2024-10-08 14:20:24	ponies	rahl there is no reason to have 'multiarch' in the AUR, if that is why it was removed. 
2024-10-08 14:20:26	demonicmaniac1	it's a simple similarity score between images
2024-10-08 14:20:35	ponies	because any pkgbuild can build multiarch 
2024-10-08 14:21:07	rahl	ponies: oh. I see
2024-10-08 14:21:10	ponies	1. its in repos? 2. its been replaced by a -git -bin 
2024-10-08 14:22:16	ponies	3. they could supply their own PKGBULID 
2024-10-08 14:23:14	rahl	gdb-git and gdb-common in the aur have both been orphaned
2024-10-08 14:23:21	floatd	UUID=78bf92cb-e433-4421-b233-f32bbaffd569       /mnt/local/games        ext4    rw/relatime
2024-10-08 14:23:34	floatd	That's correct for fstab?
2024-10-08 14:24:32	rahl	gdb-common-git*
2024-10-08 14:25:12	rahl	I presume I still need to work with an aur PKGBUILD if I'm to compile for multiarch...
2024-10-08 14:26:30	floatd	Now it works in /mnt/local/games
2024-10-08 14:26:32	floatd	Black magic
2024-10-08 14:26:49	floatd	Prob something wrong with having the mount point inside the /home
2024-10-08 14:34:19	Scimmia	rahl: search the aur-requests mailing list
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2024-10-08 14:36:05	Ingar	floatd: I always avoid mounting stuff under /home , too funky for my taste
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2024-10-08 14:38:40	gromit	rahl: why does the gdb package from the repos not work for you? 
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2024-10-08 14:41:34	TheAtlas	Hello?
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2024-10-08 14:43:36	mpan	TheAtlas: hello. 
2024-10-08 14:44:33	TheAtlas	Just testing if my client still works even though mirror for termux is non-existent
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2024-10-08 15:04:48	mrelcee	I am admitting defeat.   Adobe owns my ass - at least the part that does photography for at least one more year
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2024-10-08 15:05:07	mrelcee	dammit.   bumped the channel..
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2024-10-08 15:05:11	ℹ 	Cadillax- es conocido ahora como Cadillaxx
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2024-10-08 15:06:52	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-08 15:06:52	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-08 15:12:11	MrElendig	mrelcee:  adobe: you got a license for that arse? 499€/year or we will cast https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JvO1XRwVBis
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2024-10-08 15:12:13	phrik	Title: - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
2024-10-08 15:12:25	vimacs	I upgraded openssh to 9.9p1 on my server, and I cannot log in to this server. I use an OpenPGP card, and scdaemon says "operation auth result: Conditions of use not satisfied". Does anyone have the same issue?
2024-10-08 15:13:05	MrElendig	upgraded from which version?
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2024-10-08 15:14:34	vimacs	9.8p1
2024-10-08 15:14:42	vimacs	Downgrading openssh will work.
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2024-10-08 15:15:16	vimacs	My OpenPGP card is a gnuk with an ed25519 key as auth key.
2024-10-08 15:15:17	MrElendig	might be a key format issue
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2024-10-08 15:16:21	ponies	vimacs: use -vvv 
2024-10-08 15:16:23	teraflops	I always keep an openssh connection open when dealing with open ssh server
2024-10-08 15:16:42	MrElendig	nfc or direct chip btw?
2024-10-08 15:17:39	vimacs	I don't know about nfc. My card is Nitrokey start, just a gnuk that plugs in the USB port.
2024-10-08 15:17:54	MrElendig	vimacs: what firmware version?
2024-10-08 15:18:39	MrElendig	nitrokey have broken a couple of times before with new ssh releases
2024-10-08 15:19:36	MrElendig	hmm, don't see anything on the bug tracker with a quick glance
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2024-10-08 15:21:41	vimacs	Using -vvv on the client doesn't give more useful information, it just says "sign_and_send_pubkey: signing failed for ED25519 "cardno:FFFE_87042439" from agent: agent refused operation". I've already checked the gpg-agent log and scdaemon log, only the "Conditions of use not satisfied" message.
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2024-10-08 15:23:53	MrElendig	throw debug flags at those too
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2024-10-08 15:24:48	mrelcee	mrelendig: They may own it for now, but they are best to steer clear of it's explosive potential lest they drop like a canary on a coal mine.
2024-10-08 15:25:52	vimacs	I use gpg --card-status and see the reader is 20A0:4211:FSIJ-1.2.10-87042439:0, looks a little old compared to the latest nitrokey-start-firmware release.
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2024-10-08 15:27:48	mrelcee	just frustrating - I'd been planning to drop Lr and go over to a rival brand.   keep Lr in unpaid library mode to hold my almost two decades of stuff icould export..      day1 of DXO, first raw/dng file i wnt to work with I discovered DXO does not will not, and refuses to talk about supporting "Mobile". based cameras.    it was an Apple ProRAW .DNG     
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2024-10-08 15:28:54	lemonxah	lr being lightroom? i dont see the context quickly
2024-10-08 15:29:10	mrelcee	yeah Lightroom
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2024-10-08 15:29:32	ponies	not sure what alternative there is. Adobe is well aware of this 
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2024-10-08 15:29:41	lemonxah	dark table
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2024-10-08 15:30:06	lemonxah	https://www.darktable.org/ <-- that is what i use instead of lightroom
2024-10-08 15:30:07	phrik	Title: darktable (at www.darktable.org)
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2024-10-08 15:30:10	mrelcee	These days if I do not need a specialty lens or need to shoot in full manual mode to push things like low light work/long exposure..    I just slap the camera control pack I bought ont he Pro Max phone and it does about everything I otherwise need.
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2024-10-08 15:30:21	teraflops	now there's lossless jpeg-XL 
2024-10-08 15:30:54	ponies	vimacs: "agent refused connection". Sounds like a configuration thing
2024-10-08 15:31:14	vimacs	Oh, I just see the nitrokey start issue at https://github.com/Nitrokey/nitrokey-start-firmware/issues/67, saying that the error messages I see is infamous.
2024-10-08 15:31:15	phrik	Title: Issues · Nitrokey/nitrokey-start-firmware · GitHub (at github.com)
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2024-10-08 15:31:43	vimacs	I think I need to upgrade the card firmware first.
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2024-10-08 15:32:14	teraflops	yup
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2024-10-08 15:33:18	mrelcee	Id timed that with my 1 year sub being up.       I at least took that fail as an opportunity to locate a deal amounting to about 50% off on the 1 year prepaid Photographer bundle..  w/1TB. so I at least reduced my expense.
2024-10-08 15:34:32	◥	LanDi (~Thunderbi@2804:29b8:5059:65d1:1d0e:410f:93f6:9c8) has joined #archlinux
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2024-10-08 15:35:00	ponies	no notification renewal is 100% predatory yet somehow legal
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2024-10-08 15:35:47	teraflops	mrelcee: lr mobile version is enough for me ;)
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2024-10-08 15:36:28	AdamS	Silly question, if I set the system power options in KDE Plasma to like never sleep, never hybernate, etc, do I have to do that anywhere else? Can something else override that?
2024-10-08 15:37:09	mrelcee	well youre still paying for that..   I use mobile quite a bit..      kinda hate their cloud stuff - try doing much with the default 20Gb cloud and the mobile apps...   
2024-10-08 15:37:19	teraflops	AdamS: I think if it is a laptop and you close the lid maybe
2024-10-08 15:37:41	AdamS	I told it to when I close the lid to shut down, so I think I'm good there then
2024-10-08 15:37:47	ponies	!give adams aw power management 
2024-10-08 15:37:48	mrelcee	I'll do basics on the phone ot zap it over to my ipad..  
2024-10-08 15:37:48	phrik	adams: Power management - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management
2024-10-08 15:37:58	AdamS	Thanks phrik
2024-10-08 15:38:07	BrainDamage	AdamS: the effectiveness is limited to kde and any subsystem that kde supervises, anything else in your computer with the right privileges can potentially also issue a hibernation, tc
2024-10-08 15:38:13	BrainDamage	etc*
2024-10-08 15:38:38	BrainDamage	so depending on what you have installed and running, it may or may not be sufficient
2024-10-08 15:38:48	mrelcee	if it really matters thogh I want it on the big and calibrated screens here at my desk..   
2024-10-08 15:39:10	AdamS	I'll look through this wiki page, make sure it's good throughout then
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2024-10-08 15:53:08	lemonxah	weirdest thing is happening, when ever steam starts a game pipewire restarts and the overall volume of my sound on my system is reduced by a lot and nothing i do brings the volume back to normal
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2024-10-08 16:23:11	prinz_eugen	!queue
2024-10-08 16:23:11	phrik	prinz_eugen: BLEEP BLOOP
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2024-10-08 16:24:24	prinz_eugen	Omg, channels jump all over the place on startup in hexchat. I'm sorry
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2024-10-08 16:30:39	ℹ 	jensen1 es conocido ahora como a5fH
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2024-10-08 16:54:22	lemonxah	ffs :/ i removed gentoo cause i was over waiting 2 hours for updates
2024-10-08 16:54:30	lemonxah	but now arch is being VERY stupid
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2024-10-08 16:55:02	lemonxah	steam on arch .. everytime a game starts pipewire freaks out for a few seconds and then when it comes back its VERY soft
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2024-10-08 16:57:55	lemonxah	is this proton issue?
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2024-10-08 16:58:36	jelle	is it in every game?
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2024-10-08 17:00:14	lemonxah	yes
2024-10-08 17:00:14	lemonxah	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1fbowr8/wineproton_games_started_resetting_audio_devices/
2024-10-08 17:00:20	lemonxah	i found this
2024-10-08 17:00:45	lemonxah	but this wasn't an issue on gentoo though :/ but i can not remember which version of pipewire i was using although i think it was latest
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2024-10-08 17:07:02	lemonxah	there is no way to fix the volume :/ using amixer to set the volume doesn't work
2024-10-08 17:07:17	jelle	that's not pipewire
2024-10-08 17:07:21	lemonxah	yeah i know
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2024-10-08 17:07:36	lemonxah	but its not pipewire volume its like the hardware volume got set
2024-10-08 17:07:52	lemonxah	my soundcard is now locked to like 40% of the volume it can be
2024-10-08 17:07:58	lemonxah	and i dont know how to fix that
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2024-10-08 17:10:59	rahl	gromit: I'm gonna have to check - I may have foolishly made an assumption that I couldn't get what I needed from the standard package...
2024-10-08 17:11:12	rahl	Scimmia: ack thanks.
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2024-10-08 17:14:05	rahl	Scimmia: ok cool - I was unaware of this ML. That clears things up nicely. I was unaware of the changes to the main package in [extra].
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2024-10-08 17:14:42	piripuz	Hello! I am having some problems in setting my locale - I am launching sway and GNOME via GDM and the locale which I want (and which is set in /etc/locale.conf) is correctly recognised by both Sway and GNOME but not by GDM. Someone knows what could I be doing wrong? Thanks!
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2024-10-08 17:22:24	Namarrgon	Who do you know that gdm doesn't "recognize" the locale?
2024-10-08 17:23:09	Namarrgon	*How
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2024-10-08 17:29:49	piripuz	The keyboard layout is US, while the locale is IT
2024-10-08 17:30:01	Erus_Iluvatar	keyboard layout is not dependent on locale
2024-10-08 17:30:16	Namarrgon	Those are two separate things, and settings.
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2024-10-08 17:30:37	Erus_Iluvatar	see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GDM#Keyboard_layout
2024-10-08 17:30:38	phrik	Title: GDM - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-08 17:31:06	piripuz	Ok thanks! I see
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2024-10-08 17:35:43	piripuz	Still there is another thing that I thought was connected to the keyboard layout thing but at this point it is not - the first time sway is launched it gives an error because of a float written with a comma (that is how it should be in the italian locale). Reloading it just clear the error, and everything works as it should
2024-10-08 17:36:31	Namarrgon	What is the exact error message?
2024-10-08 17:37:01	Namarrgon	Is it about the sway config file?
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2024-10-08 17:39:08	piripuz	The error is 'pointer_accel 0,2': Invalid pointer accel; expected float.
2024-10-08 17:39:26	piripuz	Yes it is from the config file
2024-10-08 17:42:38	Namarrgon	I don't think it supports comma as the decimal separator.
2024-10-08 17:42:42	Erus_Iluvatar	piripuz: some software does expect their configuration values to be localized
2024-10-08 17:43:30	piripuz	The problem is that when I launch sway reload it does reload without errors
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2024-10-08 17:43:47	Namarrgon	It probably just skips that setting.
2024-10-08 17:43:50	Erus_Iluvatar	it's probably silently ignoring it
2024-10-08 17:43:55	Namarrgon	or that
2024-10-08 17:44:16	piripuz	It actually throws an error if I write it with the dot
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2024-10-08 17:44:55	piripuz	It is the same exact error but with the dot now
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2024-10-08 17:45:11	Namarrgon	Can you post your config?
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2024-10-08 17:47:00	piripuz	Sure, here it is https://paste.rs/l6mBs.txt
2024-10-08 17:47:02	phrik	Title: Source Code | l6mBs | Rocket Powered Pastebin (at paste.rs)
2024-10-08 17:47:07	piripuz	Error is in line 82
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2024-10-08 17:47:44	piripuz	I mean it throws an error if I put a dot there after first time it is launched
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2024-10-08 17:50:46	piripuz	And I am really sure that line is not ignored, I can see it when I move the pointer
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2024-10-08 17:51:48	Namarrgon	Do you have the sway logs in the journal?
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2024-10-08 17:53:11	piripuz	Yes but no relevant errors there
2024-10-08 17:53:16	piripuz	I think
2024-10-08 17:53:40	piripuz	Just this repeatedly [backend/drm/atomic.c:73] connector eDP-1: Atomic commit failed: Device or resource busy
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2024-10-08 17:54:10	Namarrgon	add --debug to the session file
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2024-10-08 18:00:33	Namarrgon	https://github.com/swaywm/sway/blob/master/common/util.c#L56
2024-10-08 18:00:34	phrik	Title: sway/common/util.c at master · swaywm/sway · GitHub (at github.com)
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2024-10-08 18:00:49	Namarrgon	It relies on strtof() to parse the value
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2024-10-08 18:01:00	Namarrgon	What is the "locale" output?
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2024-10-08 18:02:40	piripuz	Everything it except for LC_ALL
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2024-10-08 18:02:50	Namarrgon	Post the exact output.
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2024-10-08 18:03:02	piripuz	Can I paste here or pastebin?
2024-10-08 18:03:06	Namarrgon	!0x0
2024-10-08 18:03:07	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-10-08 18:03:08	piripuz	Sorry I am new :(
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2024-10-08 18:03:39	piripuz	https://0x0.st/XEDH.txt
2024-10-08 18:03:42	piripuz	Thanks
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2024-10-08 18:07:53	piripuz	Namarrgon: and strtof should follow system locale in some way right?
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2024-10-08 18:11:03	Namarrgon	If i'm reading the reference right, yes.
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2024-10-08 18:15:45	piripuz	If I launch sway -C (which checks the config) I still have the error (even if my locale is the one you saw). Do you have any idea of where the wrong locale could come from?
2024-10-08 18:16:54	Namarrgon	Does it go away with "LC_ALL=C sway -C"?
2024-10-08 18:16:54	piripuz	Or should I ask to some sway support channel?
2024-10-08 18:17:20	piripuz	No it is still there
2024-10-08 18:17:36	Namarrgon	Do you have the comma or the dot in the config?
2024-10-08 18:17:43	piripuz	The comma
2024-10-08 18:18:01	piripuz	So that the setting is working 
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2024-10-08 18:28:03	Namarrgon	I think i can reproduce it but reloading the config subsequently doesn't make the error go away.
2024-10-08 18:28:39	piripuz	You mean that you have the error both with sway -C and sway reload?
2024-10-08 18:30:32	Namarrgon	The comma always causes an error, no matter the locale or how often i reload sway.
2024-10-08 18:31:41	Namarrgon	I'm running out of time so maybe look into how sway sets the C locale up during startup.
2024-10-08 18:31:56	piripuz	Ok ok
2024-10-08 18:32:34	piripuz	So you think there are 2 different ways sway sets a locale
2024-10-08 18:33:02	piripuz	And one is used for startup and sway -C while the other for reload
2024-10-08 18:33:04	piripuz	Right?
2024-10-08 18:33:25	piripuz	I can try to look into this in some way
2024-10-08 18:35:14	Namarrgon	No, i'm thinking that it might not set it up at all and all you get is "C" locale functionality.
2024-10-08 18:35:31	piripuz	Oh that would make sense
2024-10-08 18:35:32	Namarrgon	In which case the period as separator should work.
2024-10-08 18:35:47	piripuz	Ok ok thanks a lot
2024-10-08 18:36:00	piripuz	I'll try to look into this a bit if I can
2024-10-08 18:36:35	Namarrgon	The period definitely woks here, with "C" as well as locales that use the period.
2024-10-08 18:37:38	Namarrgon	sway's '-C' doesn't do what it says on the box, it does not "quit" and just starts a normal session.
2024-10-08 18:38:14	Namarrgon	Anyway, time to cook dinner, good luck!
2024-10-08 18:38:27	piripuz	Thanks, have a nice dinner!
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2024-10-08 18:42:01	Ingar	what's cooking?
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2024-10-08 18:45:49	ednash	I have a zsh completion file. How do I add it to my AUR package? I do not obviously want it to be installed unless zsh is also installed.
2024-10-08 18:46:39	ednash	Should I copy it to /usr/share/zsh/site-functions anyway?
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2024-10-08 18:50:00	gromit	ednash: yeah usually completions get installed regardless of the used shell
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2024-10-08 18:52:04	gehidore	oh fun now gtk print dialog makes chromium crash, firefox still works so that's one to chase later
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2024-10-08 18:53:41	ednash	Thanks, makes sense. I see pacman does that
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2024-10-08 19:02:36	lemonxah	how do i install a previous version of a package?
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2024-10-08 19:04:08	Warepire	lemonxah: The archlinux archive. Accessible from the package page on the website for each package.
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2024-10-08 19:04:20	Warepire	If you don't have it in your local cache.
2024-10-08 19:04:31	lemonxah	i dont have it in local cache
2024-10-08 19:04:39	lemonxah	i want to run 1.2.3 of pipewire
2024-10-08 19:04:42	NeverSummer	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Downgrading_packages#Arch_Linux_Archive
2024-10-08 19:04:42	NeverSummer	There's the archive link.  You download the package file and point pacman at it for local install.
2024-10-08 19:04:43	phrik	Title: Downgrading packages - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
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2024-10-08 19:05:43	lemonxah	and i just install that with pacman -U ?
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2024-10-08 19:05:48	Warepire	Yup
2024-10-08 19:05:52	lemonxah	it will replace current pipewire?
2024-10-08 19:05:57	lemonxah	or i have to remove pipewire first?
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2024-10-08 19:06:12	Warepire	It'll replace it.
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2024-10-08 19:06:45	lemonxah	and then i have to IngorePkg in the pacman.conf?
2024-10-08 19:06:46	NeverSummer	it should replace it, but you can remove the current version first if you want.  Make sure to add it to IgnorePkg in pacman.conf if you don't want to overwrite it next time you update.
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2024-10-08 19:07:04	NeverSummer	lol, nice timing.  Yes that's exactly what you do.
2024-10-08 19:07:07	Warepire	Note that you may have dependency problems if it's really old, and downgrading isn't a permanent solution.
2024-10-08 19:07:17	lemonxah	sorry i am new to arch 
2024-10-08 19:07:24	lemonxah	so i dont know all the tools yet
2024-10-08 19:07:28	NeverSummer	You might, but also like it's pipewire so most packages are *pretty flexible* with what versions they're compatible with.
2024-10-08 19:07:47	⚡ 	Warepire was making a more general statement.
2024-10-08 19:07:51	Tom^	doesnt have to be old at all, if any of the deps changed between 1.2.3 to current its gonna hit ABI and/or API issues and cause either crashes or wonky behaviour
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2024-10-08 19:07:59	lemonxah	something screwy is happening with pipewire and wine pulse
2024-10-08 19:08:01	Warepire	lemonxah: That's why we have the wiki and this IRC channel.
2024-10-08 19:08:04	Tom^	partial upgrades or downgrades is at your own risk
2024-10-08 19:08:59	lemonxah	my sound card volume is halfed as soon as a wine/proton game starts
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2024-10-08 19:09:11	lemonxah	i have tried telling wine to use also but then there is no sound in the proton games
2024-10-08 19:09:15	NeverSummer	You know you're having fun if someone starts telling you you're doing things "at your own risk".
2024-10-08 19:09:27	lemonxah	i come from gentoo :) 
2024-10-08 19:09:30	teraflops	lemonxah: steam?
2024-10-08 19:09:33	NeverSummer	lol
2024-10-08 19:09:35	lemonxah	yeah
2024-10-08 19:09:46	lemonxah	not just steam i tested with lutris also
2024-10-08 19:09:57	teraflops	pipewire?
2024-10-08 19:10:01	lemonxah	yes
2024-10-08 19:10:17	teraflops	do you have pipewire-pulse package installed?
2024-10-08 19:10:21	lemonxah	yes
2024-10-08 19:10:42	lemonxah	the sound works in steam games but sound card max output is cut in less than half
2024-10-08 19:11:04	Tom^	does pipewire have that fun thing like pulse had where it could drop the volume of other things if a "voice call" was detected?
2024-10-08 19:11:31	teraflops	hmm I don have such issue lemonxah 
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2024-10-08 19:12:16	lemonxah	so here is what happens i am listeing to youtube at a comfortable level and my master mix is at 50% then i start a game then pipewire cuts out and if you are looking at helvum or qpwgraph the graph goes away and then resets (almost as if pipewire has been restarted) and then the sound comes back but its output has been cut in half
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2024-10-08 19:12:36	lemonxah	Master mix still at 50% but its so low i can barely hear the game or youtube for that matter
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2024-10-08 19:13:06	lemonxah	if i then use amixer or the plasma-pa tool to increase volume to 100% its less loud than it used to be and it cant get louder without distorting
2024-10-08 19:13:26	lemonxah	i have found other people complaining about this as well but none have had a solution to the problem
2024-10-08 19:13:49	teraflops	lemonxah: always with the same game or with different games?
2024-10-08 19:14:13	lemonxah	any game
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2024-10-08 19:14:25	lemonxah	at first i thought it was a gw2 thing cause as soon as the launcher starts it does it
2024-10-08 19:14:41	lemonxah	so i googled my face off :/ so decided to try anogher game and also happened
2024-10-08 19:14:59	lemonxah	didn't happen on gentoo but there i was using pipewire 1.2.3 with wireplumber 0.5.6
2024-10-08 19:15:10	lemonxah	and i dont know if that is the issue or not
2024-10-08 19:15:29	lemonxah	same pipewire config i used in gentoo as i am using my same .config 
2024-10-08 19:15:35	lemonxah	folder**
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2024-10-08 19:16:46	ohelm	I tried charging my phone with a tesla charger, am i dumb?
2024-10-08 19:17:04	Tom^	ohelm: yes
2024-10-08 19:17:05	ohelm	sorry, my freind got to my computer and I did not send that
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2024-10-08 19:19:54	ohelm	is wayland with hyprland any good?
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2024-10-08 19:20:06	ohelm	or just wayland in general
2024-10-08 19:20:13	teraflops	lemonxah: maybe the issue is that you are using home folder from another distro
2024-10-08 19:20:30	lemonxah	hmm it happened again :/
2024-10-08 19:20:36	lemonxah	yeah i didn't want to redo all the things
2024-10-08 19:20:43	lemonxah	i have deleted the old Steam folder 
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2024-10-08 19:20:57	lemonxah	what would be safe to keep ?
2024-10-08 19:21:02	teraflops	move away pulse folders too
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2024-10-08 19:21:08	lemonxah	pulse folder
2024-10-08 19:21:19	lemonxah	let me do that .. but to fix this i have to reboot currently
2024-10-08 19:21:44	teraflops	I think restarting wireplumber is enough
2024-10-08 19:21:51	lemonxah	ist not
2024-10-08 19:21:51	teraflops	but fell free to reboot
2024-10-08 19:21:56	teraflops	feel
2024-10-08 19:22:11	lemonxah	you can restart wireplumbner and pipewire as many times as you want
2024-10-08 19:22:17	lemonxah	it doesn't fix the volume it stays low
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2024-10-08 19:22:35	lemonxah	its as if the "hardware volume" was reduced 
2024-10-08 19:22:35	ℹ 	irc: desconectado del servidor
2024-10-08 19:22:35	⚠ 	irc: no estas conectado a ningún servidor
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2024-10-08 19:22:45	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-08 19:23:34	lemonxah	and i dont know how to make that fix
2024-10-08 19:22:48	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-10-08 19:22:55	teraflops	I mean after moving away pulseaudio folders from your home
2024-10-08 19:23:07	lemonxah	its just .config/pulse ?
2024-10-08 19:23:11	teraflops	i guess so
2024-10-08 19:23:24	lemonxah	no that didn't fix the issue
2024-10-08 19:23:29	teraflops	do you have custom wireplumber stuff?
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2024-10-08 19:23:34	lemonxah	its still resetting pipewire when a game start
2024-10-08 19:23:44	lemonxah	starts** and that should defos not be happening
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2024-10-08 19:27:41	lemonxah	ok let me move .config away and just keep my pipewire and wireplumber configs
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2024-10-08 19:29:29	lemonxah	ok let me reboot i have 0 config 
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2024-10-08 19:31:03	teraflops	https://bepasty.priet.us/oALPsRcV/+inline ;) but idk what to do with it!
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2024-10-08 19:35:54	bluetail	I noticed that `xdg-assist` constantly taking much 6.2% cpu
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2024-10-08 19:36:45	bluetail	what can I do to debug this? I am on sway wayland and the only thing I know I do is exec /usr/lib/xdg-desktop-portal -r
2024-10-08 19:36:59	bluetail	and exec dex --autostart --environment sway
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2024-10-08 19:40:26	lemonxah	ok .. so much config lost :(
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2024-10-08 19:42:36	bluetail	uhm
2024-10-08 19:42:51	bluetail	theres only .config/wireplumber ... and .config/pipewire
2024-10-08 19:43:01	bluetail	pipewire-pulse replaces legacy pulseaudio
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2024-10-08 19:49:31	lemonxah	ok something weird happening now .. pipewire is always low :/ hmm reboot again let me test a last time :/
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2024-10-08 19:53:18	Edu4rdSHL	lemonxah, do you have pipewire-alsa / pipewire-jack installed?
2024-10-08 19:53:56	lemonxah	i do
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2024-10-08 19:54:57	lemonxah	so i dualboot windows just checked in windows .. sound is SUPER loud .. dont touch knobs goto arch and low volume
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2024-10-08 19:55:42	bluetail	omg good luck with dual boot its fragile with windows in the pair
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2024-10-08 19:56:22	Edu4rdSHL	Make sure to not have fast startup enabled, or whatever is that called
2024-10-08 19:56:25	Edu4rdSHL	lemonxah, ^
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2024-10-08 19:57:19	lemonxah	fast startup in windows?
2024-10-08 19:57:20	lemonxah	its not
2024-10-08 19:57:24	lemonxah	i have disabled it
2024-10-08 19:57:33	lemonxah	you know .. this only started after i disabled that
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2024-10-08 19:58:05	lemonxah	its an external soundcard connceted to usb
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2024-10-08 19:58:26	lemonxah	UMC204HD
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2024-10-08 19:58:48	lemonxah	i disabled the fast startup in windows to see if we can get my wifi card working again
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2024-10-08 20:01:10	lemonxah	i was hoping it would be a seemless transition.. for most everything it was though
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2024-10-08 20:09:46	lemonxah	ok so fixed the audio volume by changing the card from pro version to default mode and upping the volume .. this is so weird issue
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2024-10-08 20:14:09	lemonxah	FINALLY!!
2024-10-08 20:14:26	teraflops	iirc pro mode is to expose every output of the card
2024-10-08 20:14:44	lemonxah	yeah i use pro mode
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2024-10-08 20:14:53	lemonxah	i have speakers connected and headphones and they are seperate outputs
2024-10-08 20:15:04	lemonxah	and i send some audio to the speakers and some audio to the headphones
2024-10-08 20:15:14	lemonxah	i have a recording studio setup
2024-10-08 20:15:38	lemonxah	and in non pro mode there is TONS of delay :/
2024-10-08 20:15:51	lemonxah	sound didn't go quiet now but now there is a TON of delay .. fun times
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2024-10-08 20:20:24	lemonxah	ok direct mode works without delay and i have access to all the ports
2024-10-08 20:20:31	lemonxah	ffs .. why so hard ?
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2024-10-08 20:27:35	Namarrgon	Yeah, sway does not support localized configs.
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2024-10-08 20:39:02	lemonxah	ok and now after some more config things PRO also works BUT .. in pro mode it makes some pops and sound cutout as soon as the game starts but after that no issues
2024-10-08 20:39:07	lemonxah	no more volume drop
2024-10-08 20:39:48	lemonxah	now the next issue :/ games performance TANK
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2024-10-08 20:40:20	jelle	less drama would be appreciated
2024-10-08 20:41:28	lemonxah	no ALL THE DRAMA!
2024-10-08 20:41:31	lemonxah	:P
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2024-10-08 21:22:47	travisghansen	I have secondary bluetooth adapter I would like a 'normal' user to be able to fully control via nodejs (not via bluetooth service or similar, just raw access)..I get an EPERM issue but strace isn't showing me much..anyone know what device file etc would be controlling this?
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2024-10-08 22:02:24	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-10-08 22:02:24	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1464 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1463 regular)
2024-10-08 22:02:24	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-08 22:03:06	CovertDuck	so I've been using i3-wm for ages as my tiling window manager and did not really look at other managers during that time
2024-10-08 22:03:14	gaku	travisghansen: well, I would start by knowing were in /dev it is, then make sure a regular user can operate on the file
2024-10-08 22:03:15	CovertDuck	is i3-wm still king or do we have something new?
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2024-10-08 22:03:44	nathan	sway for wayland is something new
2024-10-08 22:03:44	gaku	which is prolly gonna be a permission hell, so maybe you should give read-write access to a specific group then add the "normal" users to it
2024-10-08 22:04:19	gaku	CovertDuck: I would advice try it, but separate, see if everything you got/need translates well
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2024-10-08 22:04:32	travisghansen	gaku: that's the thing, I'm not aware of device files for hci devices
2024-10-08 22:04:35	gaku	Ik some things are still WIP on wayland, which is the common grievances of some
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2024-10-08 22:04:57	gaku	travisghansen: could maybe do an strace on whatever you want to access it
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2024-10-08 22:05:06	gaku	oh, you arleady did
2024-10-08 22:05:08	gaku	nvm then
2024-10-08 22:05:12	travisghansen	:D
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2024-10-08 22:06:02	gaku	that's strange tho? is the nodejs really trying the raw device? it should show up at least, unless it forked and thus main process didn't let it show on strace
2024-10-08 22:06:20	gaku	did you use the -f arg right?
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2024-10-08 22:07:37	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-08 22:09:47	travisghansen	https://pastebin.com/8hyLWT9P
2024-10-08 22:09:47	@EMIYA	repasted ⇒ https://0x0.st/XEd2.txt
2024-10-08 22:09:48	phrik	Title: [pid 355558] socket(AF_BLUETOOTH, SOCK_RAW, BTPROTO_HCI) = 24[pid 355558] ioct - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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2024-10-08 22:13:43	gaku	travisghansen: so, poking around on my laptop, I found my hci0 in /sys/devices/pciXXXblabla
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2024-10-08 22:14:14	gaku	I would just do a `find /sys -name 'hc*'`, that should at least give you a starting point
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2024-10-08 22:16:46	gaku	but being stuff in /sys, it's all yucky and I have no clue what to do for granting access to a regular user, not without looking it up at least
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2024-10-08 22:19:26	gaku	travisghansen: it must be one of the hidraw* on /dev
2024-10-08 22:19:35	gaku	idk how to figure that one out tho
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2024-10-08 23:19:46	heat	i'd guess the filter thing is because it might capture all arp packets, and as such capture unrelated traffic on the network
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2024-10-09 01:07:22	Trel	I think I found the answer/fix to my issue with audio devices and pipewire
2024-10-09 01:08:16	denkijin	do tell
2024-10-09 01:08:16	Trel	Removing the wireplumber directory in my local .cache looks like it may have worked. I need to do a bit more testing shortly.
2024-10-09 01:09:29	Trel	I found forum posts with various other but possibly related issues and the timing and some of the trigger conditions on one looked similar
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2024-10-09 01:10:38	denkijin	hmm
2024-10-09 01:10:44	denkijin	interesting, thanks for that report
2024-10-09 01:11:01	Trel	That was suggested there as a solution to another issue and looks like it was here too. after I do a little more testing to confirm I'll update my forum topic to say so
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2024-10-09 01:19:17	docvell	hi there...does anyone have a good recommendations for a stable (one that doesn't quit unexpectly) IRC client besides HexChat?
2024-10-09 01:19:29	docvell	I'm using ArcoLinux btw
2024-10-09 01:19:59	eyeoh	I use Google Cloud, irssi, tmux, mosh
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2024-10-09 01:20:22	eyeoh	you can replace Google cloud with any other cloud, or even a raspberry pi or docker instance
2024-10-09 01:21:04	eyeoh	weechat is probably easier to get into than irssi. so I recommend that
2024-10-09 01:21:26	eyeoh	or quassel core. or thelounge
2024-10-09 01:21:42	eyeoh	archwiki has an irc section
2024-10-09 01:22:10	eyeoh	being texted based, it makes sense to use CLI clients
2024-10-09 01:22:21	denkijin	weechat is the best IRC client
2024-10-09 01:22:48	denkijin	it's not even really an IRC client. it can do most of the common comms protocols
2024-10-09 01:22:50	eyeoh	I've never tried it but I still recommend it because irssi is a sunk cost for me at this point
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2024-10-09 01:23:15	denkijin	irssi was my old fav.  weechat is just superior in every way
2024-10-09 01:23:40	Trel	I've been saying that in an efnet channel to dead ears for months 
2024-10-09 01:24:19	docvell	ty
2024-10-09 01:25:50	docvell	I appreciate it as KVirc kept on quitting on me unexpectly
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2024-10-09 01:35:57	ponies	weechat is the best by far, and i use irssi 
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2024-10-09 01:47:47	Trel	denkijin: None of the ways I could 100% trigger the issue before trigger it now, so I think that was it
2024-10-09 01:48:38	denkijin	Trel: cheers
2024-10-09 01:48:44	Trel	(also I said .cache, I meant .local/state
2024-10-09 01:48:46	Trel	)
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2024-10-09 02:02:40	eyeoh	I truly believe that with terminal-based IRC clients, you can learn transferable skills and apply them to linux
2024-10-09 02:02:47	eyeoh	stufff like readline, etc
2024-10-09 02:02:53	eyeoh	config files, all that jazz
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2024-10-09 02:03:41	eyeoh	docvell: so I say definitely look in this direction if you're already into arch
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2024-10-09 02:17:48	denkijin	lol irc doesn't teach linux skills, interest in IRC maybe
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2024-10-09 02:23:40	ZLima12	I was on irssi for a long time, but I finally got around to setting up a Quassel core, and it's pretty nice
2024-10-09 02:24:29	ZLima12	I'm typing this from my phone now, and while I technically could do that before via termux and ssh, this is way nicer
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2024-10-09 02:24:51	denkijin	quassel is great if you like QT and don't like IRCing in term
2024-10-09 02:25:09	denkijin	I mean it has the bouncerlike function
2024-10-09 02:25:12	docvell	either way is fine, I basically install 99% with command line anyway
2024-10-09 02:25:15	denkijin	it's no weechat tho
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2024-10-09 02:26:12	ZLima12	denkijin: haven't tried weechat; in what way is it a better bouncer?
2024-10-09 02:26:30	afastaudir8	Is anybody else having an issue with NetworkManager with Intel WiFi on 6.11.2?
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2024-10-09 02:26:56	afastaudir8	6.10.10 and 6.6.52 work with it on my end, but I can't seem to connect on 6.11.2 on my machine
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2024-10-09 02:28:36	denkijin	ZLima12: it has a relay function that is more flexible and is not tied to a gui
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2024-10-09 02:28:56	denkijin	afastaudir8: no problems here
2024-10-09 02:29:15	denkijin	oh wait, I am using connman on this install
2024-10-09 02:30:17	denkijin	ZLima12: there's also the question of logs, some folks do not like the automated sqlite logging in Quassel
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2024-10-09 02:30:32	denkijin	and, to reiterate, it's a gui
2024-10-09 02:30:40	afastaudir8	denkijin: Can KDE use connman?
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2024-10-09 02:30:50	afastaudir8	I'll test it now
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2024-10-09 02:32:00	denkijin	afastaudir8: gl
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2024-10-09 02:33:09	ZLima12	denkijin: I see. I had meant to check whether there was a terminal client, but I guess there's not. I think I went down the Quassel path because I liked the look of the Android app a bit more. And yeah, the sqlite aspect is kind of meh, but otherwise I'm pretty satisfied
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2024-10-09 02:33:53	denkijin	ZLima12: I used it for years
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2024-10-09 02:39:48	afastaudir8	So right now, on 6.11.2, the wifi interface is just completely refusing to even come up
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2024-10-09 02:41:36	eyeoh	ZLima12: running weechat/irssi in tmux and connecting via mosh is a different setup to using a bouncer
2024-10-09 02:42:02	eyeoh	with the first one, you're remoting in. with a bouncer, the client is instead local.
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2024-10-09 02:42:29	ZLima12	eyeoh: right, but I thought Weechat had bouncer functionality
2024-10-09 02:42:31	eyeoh	with the former setup, I strongly recommend using mosh even if latency isn't an issue, due to features that mosh has when it comes to preserving a connection
2024-10-09 02:43:04	eyeoh	I think you can use weechat to connect to a bouncer; but I'm not sure if it's a 'server' per se?
2024-10-09 02:43:25	eyeoh	bouncers basically act like irc servers, but relay to the real server itself
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2024-10-09 02:44:45	ZLima12	Right, I had figured that's what Weechat did given the description of the Android app (that it's not a standalone client)
2024-10-09 02:44:53	eyeoh	both concepts are equally simple, depending on your definition and perspective
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2024-10-09 02:45:32	eyeoh	hmm I didn't consider android. "This app is NOT a standalone an IRC client. It connects to WeeChat that has to be running on a remote machine. If you are looking for a standalone IRC client for Android, you will need to look elsewhere."
2024-10-09 02:45:33	ZLima12	Or I think I see what you're saying now; that a "bouncer" is more of a proper IRC server?
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2024-10-09 02:45:56	eyeoh	interesting
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2024-10-09 02:46:22	eyeoh	sounds to me like this is acting both like a bouncer and instance on a server at the same time
2024-10-09 02:46:55	eyeoh	this was the primer I started with: https://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi/ - it's still relevant today
2024-10-09 02:46:56	phrik	Title: A Guide to Efficiently Using Irssi and Screen (at quadpoint.org)
2024-10-09 02:47:10	eyeoh	but instead of screen, I now use tmux; which you should already be using in general.
2024-10-09 02:47:40	eyeoh	and you could replace irssi with weechat which is what I'd probably recommend for those who aren't already set up and happy with irssi
2024-10-09 02:48:04	denkijin	iirc the android weechat app is just a frontend.  
2024-10-09 02:48:10	eyeoh	so that's one option. the other option is to go for the bouncer approach. I don't really see anything else being tenable if you care about "uptime" (really, it's more about not disconnecting and missing conversations)
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2024-10-09 02:48:41	eyeoh	on phone, I just use termux and mosh and yeah it's objectively a bit awkward but I don't care because this isn't that important for me
2024-10-09 02:48:56	eyeoh	the weechat approach is probably much smarter
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2024-10-09 02:49:39	eyeoh	worth taking a look at and trying, I guess
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2024-10-09 02:50:43	eyeoh	as far as cloud providers go; obviously there are plenty. the "always free" ones I know of include gcloud and oracle
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2024-10-09 02:51:11	eyeoh	but I think raspberry pi is a very good option too
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2024-10-09 02:51:46	eyeoh	not having to keep apologising for disconnecting before reboots, etc; it makes the experience a whole lot better not just for the self, but others too
2024-10-09 02:52:00	denkijin	screw google
2024-10-09 02:52:14	eyeoh	use whatever you want; show your options
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2024-10-09 02:53:32	afastaudir8	I think I'm gonna have to stick with 6.10.10 for now
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2024-10-09 02:53:44	afastaudir8	I have absolutely no idea why wifi is just refusing to work
2024-10-09 02:53:59	ZLima12	I used irssi in tmux for several years, and I like it as a minimal setup, but I'm glad I setup Quassel. I would have done Weechat if not for that, and I probably would have liked it as well
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2024-10-09 02:55:08	eyeoh	yeah they all sound good to me
2024-10-09 02:55:09	ZLima12	And yeah, I'd say there's no need for a cloud provider, I run it on my server which is on all the time anyway
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2024-10-09 02:55:27	eyeoh	sure, that's optimal. but not what everyone will be up for
2024-10-09 02:55:57	eyeoh	I did already mention RPi a couple of times and that can be considered a server too these days
2024-10-09 02:56:06	ZLima12	True, admittedly not everyone has 1) an always-on machine, and 2) a stable internet connection. But if you've got those two things anyway, might as well use them
2024-10-09 02:56:18	ZLima12	And sure, a raspberry pi is a good option
2024-10-09 02:56:22	eyeoh	yeah they're all options
2024-10-09 02:56:29	eyeoh	I'm trying to list all of them given the question earlier
2024-10-09 02:56:49	eyeoh	in a practical way; because yeah the wiki just lists them all but it's harder to parse
2024-10-09 02:57:27	eyeoh	the *worst* option is to just run hexchat or mirc or web chat and it goes down every time the application closes or computer reboots
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2024-10-09 02:59:06	denkijin	don't even really need a full RPi, you could use a Teensy 
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2024-10-09 03:00:10	eyeoh	yeah I'm kind of using RPi as a generic term since that's what everyone recognises
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2024-10-09 03:00:29	eyeoh	but also because it's probably still the most popular
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2024-10-09 03:01:55	denkijin	I mean run it on a MCU not a full linkux
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2024-10-09 03:22:34	koalamaci	for some reason, when I create a timeshift snapshot, it's only 32KB. browsing the files it shows I have @ and @home and an info.json, and that's it. what am I doing wrong?
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2024-10-09 03:25:55	koalamaci	also it doesn't make it under the location I have specified in settings via timeshift-gtk
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2024-10-09 04:33:29	kode54	this is stupid
2024-10-09 04:33:33	eyeoh	koalamaci: snapshots need to be on the same partition as the partition you're snapshotting
2024-10-09 04:33:41	kode54	somehow the libvirt-guests package no longer has a config template
2024-10-09 04:33:52	kode54	and this led me to use a web site to paste a template into the ifle
2024-10-09 04:33:54	kode54	*file
2024-10-09 04:33:57	eyeoh	koalamaci: in order to send them elsewhere, you have to use btrfs-send or the equivalent wrapper function in the backup software
2024-10-09 04:34:04	kode54	somehow I ended up pasting a stray "6" on a line of the file
2024-10-09 04:34:20	kode54	this led to my VMs being rudely force quit
2024-10-09 04:34:20	eyeoh	koalamaci: also, test out the size of snapshots by making some bigger changes (including deletion)
2024-10-09 04:34:38	kode54	and one of my Arch VMs ended up with 0-byte files for the last few updates that were installed, including a new kernel
2024-10-09 04:35:04	eyeoh	kode54: I gave up on trying to use qemu-kvm from the command line and just use virt-manager now
2024-10-09 04:35:11	kode54	I use virt-manager
2024-10-09 04:35:14	eyeoh	oh
2024-10-09 04:35:28	kode54	but it wasn't shutting down and restarting my VMs
2024-10-09 04:35:32	eyeoh	odd
2024-10-09 04:36:43	eyeoh	koalamaci: the reason (as I understand it) that snapshots need to be within the same partition is due to how snapshots are more like a side effect of copy on write
2024-10-09 04:37:04	eyeoh	koalamaci: and the first snapshot is always free and takes up no extra space
2024-10-09 04:38:04	eyeoh	semi-related note: in VirtualBox with my win11 install; I did updates the other day and my snapshot grew by 40GB (the size of that volume) instantly
2024-10-09 04:38:26	eyeoh	so now I'm going to stop using virtualbox snapshots and will do them with btrfs instead
2024-10-09 04:38:46	eyeoh	virtualbox snapshots, whatever it does; is slooow
2024-10-09 04:39:03	eyeoh	taking them is instant; but deleting/merging takes forever and really ties up the system
2024-10-09 04:40:08	eyeoh	and to be clear, I have chattr +C set on both my libvirt and virtualbox directories. I back them up separately and not hourly
2024-10-09 04:41:26	koalamaci	lots of info
2024-10-09 04:42:05	koalamaci	alright, I'll try to configure it to my root again and then retry
2024-10-09 04:42:50	eyeoh	yeah there's a lot and took me ages to wrap my head around just the basics (or what I consider to be the basics)
2024-10-09 04:43:28	eyeoh	a simple test would be to take snapshots of a volume containing linux ISOs, and then delete an ISO and take more snapshots
2024-10-09 04:43:37	eyeoh	and then notice how the disk usage remains high
2024-10-09 04:43:53	eyeoh	until you delete old snapshots (or delete the ISOs from the old snapshots)
2024-10-09 04:44:47	eyeoh	this is *one* of the reasons why it's generally not recommended to use CoW with VMs; among multiple reasons, it'll make a mess of your snapshots because if a VM is running and the state keeps changing, it'll keep filling up space
2024-10-09 04:45:46	eyeoh	this is especially the case if snapshots are automated (as they should be). fortunately you can set individual directories/subvolumes to not be caught up in that
2024-10-09 04:47:46	koalamaci	sudo timeshift --create --comments "Test snapshot on root drive" --tags O - E: Unknown value specified for option --tags (O). - E: Expected values: O, B, H, D, W, M
2024-10-09 04:47:57	koalamaci	hmmm
2024-10-09 04:49:33	eyeoh	eh; I thought timeshift was predominantly gui
2024-10-09 04:49:37	eyeoh	or gui-driven
2024-10-09 04:53:29	eyeoh	hmm, interesting default stance: https://github.com/linuxmint/timeshift?tab=readme-ov-file#user-data-is-excluded-by-default
2024-10-09 04:53:31	phrik	Title: GitHub - linuxmint/timeshift: System restore tool for Linux. Creates filesystem snapshots using rsync+hardlinks, or BTRFS snapshots. Supports scheduled snapshots, multiple backup levels, and exclude filters. Snapshots can be restored while system is running or from Live CD/USB. (at github.com)
2024-10-09 04:53:40	eyeoh	in contrast to snapper which explains -c root vs -c home
2024-10-09 04:53:56	koalamaci	yes
2024-10-09 04:54:18	eyeoh	there's nothing inherently wrong with taking snapshots of home; just restore carefully, or be targeted about it :)
2024-10-09 04:54:38	koalamaci	oddly I managed to create an ondemand snapshot via the gtk gui
2024-10-09 04:56:44	eyeoh	as far as I know, opensuse and ubuntu default to snapper, mint has timeshift; so does fedora have a default?
2024-10-09 04:56:54	eyeoh	(fedora gnome)
2024-10-09 04:58:30	koalamaci	I ran it from the CLI a couple times but the size in the gui before never showed the correct sizes until I reconfigured timeshift.json to correctly point at my root partition again ... https://0x0.st/XE5f.png
2024-10-09 04:59:07	koalamaci	facepalm.png
2024-10-09 04:59:43	eyeoh	before you dive in too far, I should note that I think btrbk tends to be the more recommended choice out of timeshift/snapper/btrbk
2024-10-09 04:59:53	eyeoh	I'll probably move from snapper to btrbk "soon"
2024-10-09 05:02:06	eyeoh	I haven't considered timeshift myself because for stuff like this, I want to be able to handle it from a "lower level" and not depend on GUI (e.g., so I can do stuff via ssh or single user emergency mode)
2024-10-09 05:03:37	koalamaci	I just went with what archinstaller allowed me to add during the installation a couple months back
2024-10-09 05:04:06	koalamaci	instead of building arch completely from scratch by myself, which I have failed twice at (albeit not on my desktop but one of my laptops)
2024-10-09 05:04:12	koalamaci	the laptop has mint since...
2024-10-09 05:04:41	koalamaci	I figured I just want a working system asap for work and what not on my desktop, and then work in reverse from there
2024-10-09 05:04:48	koalamaci	thanks for your help eyeoh 
2024-10-09 05:04:48	koalamaci	gn
2024-10-09 05:05:32	eyeoh	np; glad I made some sort of sense
2024-10-09 05:06:00	eyeoh	I'm very new to this so I might get some details wrong, but I think my understanding is ok so far for some of the basics
2024-10-09 05:06:42	eyeoh	I think Mint is very good
2024-10-09 05:07:19	eyeoh	I'm on Debian Stable myself; and have decided to stick with stable and stable-security kernels after being tempted by backports last week
2024-10-09 05:07:51	eyeoh	I'm at least using btrfs-progs from backports now
2024-10-09 05:08:23	eyeoh	while Debian's stable and stable-security does backport some btrfs patches from newer kernels too
2024-10-09 05:09:16	eyeoh	the main reason I aborted my plan to use backport kernels is because... nvidia - and I'm not ready to use nouveau drivers just yet. stable works for me and I better not mess with it
2024-10-09 05:11:09	eyeoh	oops I thought I was in #btrfs
2024-10-09 07:05:51	zulc22	hey, i'm having protection faults with gnome-shell when trying to start GDM. i tried reinstalling every gnome package and that didn't help either
2024-10-09 07:14:52	mpan	zulc22: I don’t see any recent mentions of similar issues in my logs or on the BBS. Is there any more information available? Where the crash happens in the code etc.? Also, is your Arch fully updated? Don’t you have any third-party packages (e.g. built from AUR)?
2024-10-09 07:26:34	zulc22	mpan: issue started after doing a system update, have AUR packages
2024-10-09 07:26:43	zulc22	i'll post a better log in a sec
2024-10-09 07:26:48	zulc22	*a log at all
2024-10-09 07:38:17	mpan	zulc22: make sure you rebuilt all AUR-based packages, that may be loaded by gnome-shell, in particular if they replace any part of GTK or are some DE addons.
2024-10-09 07:38:39	mpan	zulc22: as for the log, please post it on one of the sane paste services (below).
2024-10-09 07:38:43	mpan	!give zulc22 paste
2024-10-09 07:38:44	phrik	zulc22: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
2024-10-09 07:38:59	mpan	Maybe that will give some clue. :)
2024-10-09 09:48:30	rav	when i got multiple unneeded *-i18n-* packages - how would you uninstall all except 1 certain of them?
2024-10-09 10:06:03	Erus_Iluvatar	rav: a quick and dirty way would be `pacman -R $(pacman -Qsq i18n | grep -v -i18n-pl)`
2024-10-09 10:07:01	rav	thx, I'll try
2024-10-09 10:09:24	Erus_Iluvatar	the power of the command line :)
2024-10-09 10:10:46	rav	yup
2024-10-09 10:32:20	Furai	I need a tool to dump remote mysql. Currently by default mysqldump is mariadb-dump and it doesn't seem to be compatible with mysql 8.0.39 I'm using on remote server. What are my options? I tried mysql workbench but for whatever reason it doesn't work when I go to the data export view.
2024-10-09 10:33:05	denkijin	why did I get kicked from offtopic?
2024-10-09 10:33:22	denkijin	for talking about cargo cults? 
2024-10-09 10:33:44	denkijin	supposedly ban evading?
2024-10-09 10:33:57	denkijin	tripppppping
2024-10-09 10:34:07	denkijin	anyway
2024-10-09 10:39:47	Furai	Ok, I've ended up just spinning up docker container with same mysql version and running mysqldump from there. Worked like a charm. E.g.: `docker run --rm mysql:8.0.39 mysqldump <connection_info> <any_options> > dump.sql`
2024-10-09 10:45:28	Clncyyyy	SOS archis https://cachyos.org/ Why booting brand new iso lead to black screen with mouse and no tty access ?
2024-10-09 10:45:29	phrik	Title: CachyOS — Blazingly Fast OS based on Arch Linux — CachyOS (at cachyos.org)
2024-10-09 10:45:46	jelle	Clncyyyy: we don't support cachyos here
2024-10-09 10:47:14	Clncyyyy	jelle, not support why ?
2024-10-09 10:47:37	Antiz	Clncyyyy: cachyOS is another distro
2024-10-09 10:48:00	Erus_Iluvatar	Clncyyyy: you would not ask for Ubuntu support in Debian, would you?
2024-10-09 10:48:33	Clncyyyy	Erus_lluvatar, of course I would its not based ...
2024-10-09 10:48:43	Clncyyyy	use exact same package managers
2024-10-09 10:49:06	eyeoh	Clncyyyy: this channel is too big to focus on every related distro - cachyos has a forum that looks well-used: https://discuss.cachyos.org/ - they also have a discord server
2024-10-09 10:49:08	phrik	Title: CachyOS Forum (at discuss.cachyos.org)
2024-10-09 10:49:23	Clncyyyy	ok whatever gues wont run that shit cachyos now , more easier would be to download a different distro
2024-10-09 10:49:31	Clncyyyy	instead to wasting time here
2024-10-09 10:49:38	Antiz	Clncyyyy: While Ubuntu is based on Debian (and CachyOS is based on Arch), they still differ from one another
2024-10-09 10:49:46	Antiz	In terms of packages, configuration, behavior, etc...
2024-10-09 10:49:48	Antiz	See https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-of-conduct/#arch-linux-distribution-support-only
2024-10-09 10:49:49	phrik	Title: Code of Conduct | Arch Linux Terms (at terms.archlinux.org)
2024-10-09 10:50:22	Clncyyyy	i wont argue anymore, base distro with huge community cant help fine
2024-10-09 10:50:38	eyeoh	I already gave you help
2024-10-09 10:50:39	Clncyyyy	switch next distro until reach windows in the end ....!
2024-10-09 10:50:52	Antiz	Clncyyyy: 🤷
2024-10-09 10:53:30	MrElendig	Clncyyyy: install a professional distro like RHEL
2024-10-09 10:53:45	MrElendig	and use their paid support
2024-10-09 10:54:27	Clncyyyy	MrElending, why not
2024-10-09 11:01:17	Clncyyyy	leave RHEL away at this moment
2024-10-09 11:01:23	Clncyyyy	now is the arch wave
2024-10-09 11:01:31	Clncyyyy	How to install AMD proprietary drivers ???
2024-10-09 11:02:55	eyeoh	no comment
2024-10-09 11:03:11	Clncyyyy	$ glxinfo | grep "OpenGL vendor string" | cut -f2 -d":" | xargs
2024-10-09 11:03:20	Clncyyyy	why lets comment myself ...
2024-10-09 11:03:29	floatd	I moved from kde plasma to xfce, now I get issues with apps not remembering logins
2024-10-09 11:03:40	Clncyyyy	me too
2024-10-09 11:03:46	Clncyyyy	kde is good
2024-10-09 11:03:48	floatd	Firstly it was wi-fi, I had to change save password for user to all users and it worked
2024-10-09 11:03:58	Clncyyyy	fuck wifi use cable
2024-10-09 11:03:59	floatd	now my browser is reset after boot
2024-10-09 11:04:11	Clncyyyy	then boot twice lol :D
2024-10-09 11:04:12	floatd	I only have an iphone to share internet
2024-10-09 11:04:42	Clncyyyy	forget iphone use Nexus
2024-10-09 11:04:50	Erus_Iluvatar	!ops
2024-10-09 11:04:50	phrik	alad, BrainDamage, gehidore/man, grawity, jelle, MrElendig/Mion, Namarrgon
2024-10-09 11:04:52	floatd	kde was nice, but I miss being able to share screen, so I swapped back to xorg
2024-10-09 11:05:08	floatd	screenshare with discord :P
2024-10-09 11:05:19	Antiz	floatd: KDE still has an X11 session FWIW
2024-10-09 11:05:41	Furai	Yeah, I'd just use x11 instead of wayland, screenshare problem solved?
2024-10-09 11:05:53	floatd	Prob, but I like xfce :p
2024-10-09 11:05:54	Antiz	floatd: It should
2024-10-09 11:06:15	Antiz	Sorry, wrong tab name.
2024-10-09 11:06:22	floatd	The issue isn't my wm/de but applications not remembering where they stored login data
2024-10-09 11:06:32	floatd	Some privilege prob changed or?
2024-10-09 11:06:46	Furai	Everyday I'm using Gnome I'm more and more inclined to switch away from it but I just can't find time to migrate and change my habits.
2024-10-09 11:07:24	floatd	Bye cincy :,(
2024-10-09 11:07:29	eyeoh	Furai: tried Cinnamon?
2024-10-09 11:07:58	BrainDamage	floatd: it's common for programs to hook into the DE keyring/secret storage
2024-10-09 11:08:20	BrainDamage	when you switched DE, the secret storage mechanism wasn't provided anymore
2024-10-09 11:08:40	floatd	I did yeet the kdewallet and something similar
2024-10-09 11:08:44	BrainDamage	you may be able to launch one yourself manually
2024-10-09 11:09:31	MrElendig	screensharing to discord should work now on wayland as a sidenote
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2024-10-09 11:11:18	MrElendig	as for keyring, consider giving keepassxc as the secret service
2024-10-09 11:11:46	MrElendig	it has a couple of gotchas but in general works pretty well
2024-10-09 11:12:19	Furai	Wait, what? Didn't ever think of using keepassxc for secret service...
2024-10-09 11:12:23	MrElendig	other than that both gnome-keyring and kwallet can be run more or less independently
2024-10-09 11:12:35	MrElendig	(more so for gnome-keyring than kwallet)
2024-10-09 11:12:43	Furai	So this would replace keyring?
2024-10-09 11:14:07	Furai	Wow, didn't know about it, I saw that tab in keepassxc settings but never thought what this is for and didn't even check. And I'm using keepassxc for years...
2024-10-09 11:14:22	floatd	I just moved from keepass to bitwarden for password managing
2024-10-09 11:14:30	floatd	but this secret service is totally different or?
2024-10-09 11:15:20	MrElendig	Furai: it does passkey too now
2024-10-09 11:15:26	MrElendig	floatd: yes
2024-10-09 11:15:31	MrElendig	well, kind of
2024-10-09 11:15:48	Clncyyyy	#BrainDamage is fucking moron, i use arch btw .!.
2024-10-09 11:15:50	Furai	I'm still not sold on passkeys in general. I saw that they support it now.
2024-10-09 11:15:51	Clncyyyy	y/part
2024-10-09 11:16:04	Furai	lol
2024-10-09 11:16:08	Antiz	😭
2024-10-09 11:16:22	Furai	That failed `/part` command was perfect. :D
2024-10-09 11:16:26	Antiz	lol
2024-10-09 11:16:30	MrElendig	floatd: bitwarden could also provide the secretservice api, but currently does not
2024-10-09 11:17:26	MrElendig	floatd: there is a third party client for bitwarden which does, but it's quasi-dead
2024-10-09 11:17:40	floatd	I'm not sure how it works, but I just want to avoid logging in to gmail every time I boot
2024-10-09 11:18:04	rav	how do you force pacman -S <package> from another repo?
2024-10-09 11:18:35	MrElendig	most browsers will store credentials internally if no agent is available, with varying degree of security
2024-10-09 11:18:47	MrElendig	rav: -S repo/package
2024-10-09 11:19:07	MrElendig	rav: or just put that repo first
2024-10-09 11:19:22	floatd	I use thorium, which doesn't seem to save it anywhere or it tries to use kde but I prob disabled it
2024-10-09 11:19:24	rav	yup works repo/package, thx
2024-10-09 11:19:40	floatd	I'll try keepass
2024-10-09 11:20:13	MrElendig	pretty sure thorium will store internally if no agent is available
2024-10-09 11:20:25	MrElendig	it's just chromium after all
2024-10-09 11:21:00	MrElendig	might have to poke chrome://password-manager/settings  or //flags though
2024-10-09 11:21:43	floatd	Do I need to unlock keepass everytime to get it to work for gmail and such to work?
2024-10-09 11:22:18	MrElendig	floatd: depends on your settings, you can e.g. tell it to stay open until your login session closes/locks
2024-10-09 11:23:15	MrElendig	there are also some solutions around for unlocking keepassxc trough pam, but no idea if any of those are maintained anymore
2024-10-09 11:24:17	MrElendig	might be a good idea to keep the password db and your user login credentials seperate anyway though
2024-10-09 11:24:44	floatd	From a security stand point yeah
2024-10-09 11:25:05	floatd	but I just want to avoid logging in to gmail, and I found nothing relevant in chrome://password-manager/settings
2024-10-09 11:25:17	eyeoh	floatd: is this system one that only you have physical access to?
2024-10-09 11:25:35	eyeoh	or rather, is it only you who uses it
2024-10-09 11:38:28	floatd	Now it seems to have saved
2024-10-09 12:04:17	txtsd	Can I submit PRs for the missing .SRCINFO todo? Will that be welcome?
2024-10-09 12:05:01	BrainDamage	txtsd: context?
2024-10-09 12:05:27	txtsd	BrainDamage: All the incompletes here https://archlinux.org/todo/rebuild-todo-list-rebuild-packages-missing-srcinfo/
2024-10-09 12:05:30	phrik	Title: Arch Linux - Todo: Rebuild Todo List Rebuild packages missing .SRCINFO (at archlinux.org)
2024-10-09 12:06:56	Antiz	txtsd: Depends on what you're planning on doing.
2024-10-09 12:07:30	BrainDamage	the command part is pretty trivial, the less trivial is actually doing the build and see if it works since it's cpu intensive ... and having dedicated time to fix things if it doesn't
2024-10-09 12:07:34	Antiz	txtsd: Most of the remaining packages in this list fail to build currently. 
2024-10-09 12:07:43	txtsd	Antiz: Checking if it builds, like the desciption says. Making it if it doesn't, and adding a .nvchecker.toml file.
2024-10-09 12:07:47	txtsd	Oh
2024-10-09 12:07:57	txtsd	Some are also done but not marked as such
2024-10-09 12:08:08	txtsd	like ammonite
2024-10-09 12:08:12	Antiz	txtsd: Then sure, feel free to help :)
2024-10-09 12:08:17	txtsd	Okay :D
2024-10-09 12:08:39	Antiz	Just wanted to mention that this is not only about providing a .SRCINFO, for most of them this is also (mostly) about fixing build x)
2024-10-09 12:09:30	gromit	Also I think the .SRCINFO files have been added to all at some point
2024-10-09 12:09:36	Antiz	Automate the process of running `makepkg --printscrinfo` and pushing the produced .SRCINFO for the remaining package is trivial. Ideally we would also fix the ones that do not building (and add .nvchecker.toml while we're at it \o/)
2024-10-09 12:09:56	Antiz	txtsd: And yes, some of them may have .SRCINFO added but hasn't been rebuilt.
2024-10-09 12:10:14	txtsd	Oh that's what it is
2024-10-09 12:10:25	Antiz	I assume because they fail to build currently.
2024-10-09 12:10:45	Antiz	So like... only half of the todo is really done for those ^^ Hence why they are not marked as complete
2024-10-09 12:11:16	Antiz	(I'm not excluding that some of them are actually "complete" despite not being marked as such though... x) )
2024-10-09 12:11:16	BrainDamage	I would start with the ones flagged without a maintainer
2024-10-09 12:11:25	Antiz	👍
2024-10-09 12:12:21	BrainDamage	the maintainer-less ones are those which are more likely to be forgotten/skipped
2024-10-09 12:13:46	txtsd	Good idea!
2024-10-09 12:15:08	Antiz	txtsd: Thanks for considering giving some help on this by the way! :D
2024-10-09 12:16:18	txtsd	Trying to do whatever I can wherever I can :)
2024-10-09 12:17:16	gromit	txtsd: if you're looking for stuff to work on also have a look at the bug list and check if there are any doable ones without Merge Requests or already proposed solutions
2024-10-09 12:17:42	gromit	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/groups/archlinux/packaging/packages/-/issues
2024-10-09 12:17:43	phrik	Title: Issues · Packages · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
2024-10-09 12:18:55	txtsd	Thank you. I'll take a look!
2024-10-09 12:23:25	Antiz	txtsd: MRs opened for orphan packages of that list will not get assigned to anyone, as the said packages are orphaned... So to avoid those being forgotten and fall into the limbs, you could either ping me in it or share the final list by sending me a mail (I'll DM my address to you in a sec) or eventually by sharing the list to the Arch General ML
2024-10-09 12:23:25	Antiz	I guess :)
2024-10-09 12:23:53	Antiz	It's also safe to say that some of them should just be dropped altogether... There might be a reason why they are unmaintained x)
2024-10-09 12:24:20	Antiz	I'll try to identify those soon-ish so you don't waste time of those.
2024-10-09 12:26:26	txtsd	Okay thank you!
2024-10-09 12:31:35	BrainDamage	sdl_mixer and autogen would be unwise to drop :p
2024-10-09 12:32:44	Antiz	BrainDamage: I wouldn't mind dropping autogen though :P
2024-10-09 12:32:54	Antiz	But indeed, might not be the best idea ever 🤣
2024-10-09 12:33:09	BrainDamage	I said unwise, not unwanted
2024-10-09 12:33:24	BrainDamage	autofools hell
2024-10-09 12:33:29	Antiz	It even (make)depends on itself :D
2024-10-09 12:34:13	Antiz	Yeah... autotool stuff are... well... what they are... Let's put it that way x)
2024-10-09 12:34:42	furrykef	"It seemed like a good idea at the time"
2024-10-09 12:35:28	Antiz	🤣
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2024-10-09 12:54:36	ryzenda	I just had a memory leak crash a bunch of Xorg desktop applications and sound doesn't work and running as user `systemctl --user` shows "Failed to connect to bus: Connection refused" -- how can I fix this and restart pipewire/wireplumber for sound?
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2024-10-09 12:55:56	teraflops	ryzenda: how do you  start x?
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2024-10-09 12:56:47	ryzenda	teraflops, I'm still logged in for months using sddm that autostarts on boot.
2024-10-09 12:57:24	teraflops	hm, maybe it's time to reboot
2024-10-09 12:57:45	ryzenda	Not quite yet. If that is the case, I'll just suffer without sound to finish up workflow for next few weeks, lol
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2024-10-09 13:02:34	Erus_Iluvatar	:o
2024-10-09 13:02:48	Erus_Iluvatar	that's quite the dedication to uptime
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2024-10-09 13:06:50	ℹ 	Sub|gone es conocido ahora como SubWorx
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2024-10-09 13:35:10	ponies	22:34:54 up 80 days, 21:31,  0 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
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2024-10-09 13:39:19	teraflops	i do not see the point of having a workstation such quantity of days powered on, a server might be
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2024-10-09 13:39:56	ponies	its my server. is that cheating? 
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2024-10-09 13:41:02	Antiz	ponies: Does that mean you didn't updated your server for 80 days or that you never rebooted it once after upgrading it? :P
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2024-10-09 13:41:31	eyeoh	just claim kernel live patching even if that's not the case
2024-10-09 13:41:32	ponies	haven't updated in 80 days
2024-10-09 13:41:39	eyeoh	no comment
2024-10-09 13:41:40	Antiz	:(
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2024-10-09 13:42:13	teraflops	heh
2024-10-09 13:42:13	⚡ 	furrykef hax ponies' server
2024-10-09 13:42:48	⚡ 	teraflops takes a look at his arch server
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2024-10-09 13:46:20	Ingar	ponies: only 80 days?
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2024-10-09 14:33:27	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-10-09 14:33:27	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1462 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1461 regular)
2024-10-09 14:04:38	The-Compiler	Someone here using the discord [extra] package? For me, since a recent upgrade, Discord seems to try writing discord_{utils,krisp}.log into the cwd, and then crashing when launched via the .desktop file.
2024-10-09 14:05:44	The-Compiler	I worked around it by creating a /opt/discord/tmp with 777 perms, and setting Path=/opt/discord/tmp in discord.desktop... but I'm surprised nobody else seems to have reported this so far
2024-10-09 14:06:16	SupUser	What's that, The-Compiler?
2024-10-09 14:06:30	The-Compiler	SupUser: hmm?
2024-10-09 14:06:54	SupUser	What's archlinux got for discord?
2024-10-09 14:07:18	mefistofeles	The-Compiler: discord seems to be working fine for me
2024-10-09 14:07:32	The-Compiler	SupUser: what do you mean? It has a discord package.
2024-10-09 14:07:44	The-Compiler	mefistofeles: weird. Maybe it's the Vencord shenanigans I do that broke something.
2024-10-09 14:07:58	mefistofeles	probably, discord ecosystem is terrible
2024-10-09 14:08:20	SupUser	Why does it need a discord package?  Isn't it web?
2024-10-09 14:08:35	The-Compiler	SupUser: there is a desktop application too
2024-10-09 14:09:29	jelle	welcome in 2020 :-)
2024-10-09 14:12:51	gromit	The-Compiler: Somebody complained about discord crashing on the forums a few days back: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=300039
2024-10-09 14:12:52	phrik	Title: [SOLVED]Microphone access causing Pipewire to go haywire causing crash / Multimedia and Games / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
2024-10-09 14:15:41	The-Compiler	hmm... judging by the output that seems unrelated, as for me it doesn't even start in the first place (or only when launching via terminal, where it then writes its log files to ~ or whatever the cwd is)
2024-10-09 14:28:46	⚡ 	ponies phones Ingar "... 80 days", hangs up phone, crawls out of tv 
2024-10-09 14:33:27	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-09 15:35:17	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-09 15:35:18	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-09 15:48:36	Abdullah	How to re-build last successful build again for a job in jenkins?
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2024-10-09 16:32:13	Riichi	Seems like I can't pass captcha for ArchLinux Wiki account register, anyone know something about it?
2024-10-09 16:32:18	Riichi	Is captcha outdated?
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2024-10-09 16:35:39	Scimmia	it's been nearly a month since the pacman update, I would guess we would have heard about it by now if the wiki didn't get updated
2024-10-09 16:35:48	Scimmia	but it's possible
2024-10-09 16:36:28	Riichi	I see
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2024-10-09 16:37:48	Scimmia	hmm, with that sed, the actual version doesn't matter, so I really doubt it's outdated
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2024-10-09 16:38:15	grawity	that captcha keeps pissing me off
2024-10-09 16:39:10	grawity	is it an anti-bot captcha or an anti-windows-user captcha, anyway?
2024-10-09 16:39:41	jelle	anti-bot
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2024-10-09 16:40:04	grawity	then why did people here get all angry when I started giving out the answer over irc
2024-10-09 16:40:15	grawity	"oh no someone not running arch might sign up!"
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2024-10-09 16:40:53	jelle	because trying to convince 100 people to think the same is hard?
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2024-10-09 16:44:04	Riichi	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2024-10-09 17:31:00	randomusr	How can I unmount a drive from the command line. Drive was mounted to /mnt, but KDE seems to want control of the device in that it shows up in Dolphin, with the option to safely remove
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2024-10-09 17:32:17	srg	randomusr: man umount
2024-10-09 17:33:17	randomusr	srg: I've looked. Is it safe to use the -f option if another process is accessing the device?
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2024-10-09 17:35:05	srg	Uh, no it's probably NOT safe to use -f, but try it and see? There's no critical data on there, is there?
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2024-10-09 17:36:37	srg	The process that has it open might have some unexpected behavior
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2024-10-09 17:37:25	randomusr	fun
2024-10-09 17:37:32	eyeoh	randomusr: did you mount anything else under /mnt ?
2024-10-09 17:37:43	eyeoh	randomusr: umount -R /mnt might work better. -R for recursive
2024-10-09 17:37:45	randomusr	eyeoh: I have not
2024-10-09 17:37:58	eyeoh	and of course, close everything else; especially dolphin
2024-10-09 17:38:18	eyeoh	and also any tmux terminals accessing it that you might have detached and forgotten about
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2024-10-09 17:39:02	randomusr	I hadn't opened it anywhere else, because I was concerned. I don't like that KDE tries to own the device
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2024-10-09 17:39:20	eyeoh	what kind of device?
2024-10-09 17:40:01	randomusr	usb thumb drive with an old Arch install that isn't critical. I just didn't want to risk screwing it up
2024-10-09 17:40:11	HuntsMan	randomusr: what do you mean exactly KDE tried to own the device? please include actual error messages
2024-10-09 17:40:14	eyeoh	ah yeah thumb drives tend to be treated more automagically by such file managers
2024-10-09 17:40:23	eyeoh	as opposed to SSDs/HDDs via USB
2024-10-09 17:41:01	eyeoh	if you merely see the file manager show the device up but you only interacted via CLI and umount works; then ignore the file manager
2024-10-09 17:41:27	eyeoh	iirc, this is just an automount thing; maybe systemd related
2024-10-09 17:41:35	randomusr	got it
2024-10-09 17:41:50	eyeoh	(it's not really mounted if you didn't click anything inside dolphin - assuming dolphin works the same as nautilus)
2024-10-09 17:42:29	randomusr	umount says the resource is busy..... I think I'm going to use the force option, but the way thumb drives are treated is odd to me
2024-10-09 17:42:45	srg	run a `sync` first
2024-10-09 17:42:48	srg	then force umount
2024-10-09 17:43:48	HuntsMan	randomusr: use lsof to find out which process is using the device
2024-10-09 17:43:56	HuntsMan	maybe its just some thumbnailer running
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2024-10-09 17:44:34	eyeoh	I wonder if a reboot is safer, per se
2024-10-09 17:44:40	HuntsMan	no
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2024-10-09 17:50:05	randomusr	even the f option doesn't work. Having trouble locating the process that has it open. meh.... I guess I'll safely remove through the DE
2024-10-09 17:50:19	HuntsMan	it might not work through the DE
2024-10-09 17:50:32	HuntsMan	because some process is using the device, I know from experience with KDE
2024-10-09 17:50:40	HuntsMan	KDE does not "own" the device anyway
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2024-10-09 17:52:01	eyeoh	there's also --lazy which might be more forceful than --force?
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2024-10-09 17:52:14	eyeoh	not clear to me the diff
2024-10-09 17:53:21	randomusr	couldn't hurt to try it
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2024-10-09 17:54:04	randomusr	-l worked now on to business. Thanks eyeoh 
2024-10-09 17:54:44	eyeoh	I think I experienced something odd with that in a VM I didn't care about
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2024-10-09 17:55:07	randomusr	I've seen it both in VM and baremetal
2024-10-09 17:55:12	eyeoh	where only -l worked; I didn't really keep a note of it though since it didn't matter to me
2024-10-09 17:55:36	eyeoh	so yeah as the man seems to suggest; you might need a reboot
2024-10-09 17:55:55	randomusr	lazy option worked
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2024-10-09 17:58:03	System_o_Packets	I'm experimenting with having an encrypted boot partition and a separately encrypted root partition is there anything special i need to configure in /etc/default/grub? To be clear i'm having issues getting it to prompt for both passwords.
2024-10-09 17:58:33	eyeoh	short answer is, yes; I think so
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2024-10-09 17:58:49	eyeoh	System_o_Packets: how does your /etc/crypttab look?
2024-10-09 18:00:41	System_o_Packets	eyeoh: I have nothing special configured there is there something i need to add?
2024-10-09 18:01:14	System_o_Packets	it isnt configured at all
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2024-10-09 18:02:35	eyeoh	it's mentioned in the first section of https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt - I'm not sure if it's *always* necessary; but in my experience it probably is
2024-10-09 18:02:36	phrik	Title: dm-crypt - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-09 18:02:49	eyeoh	I'll if I can try something...
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2024-10-09 18:04:16	eyeoh	I'm doing a test install of arch in a vm and telling it to use single root luks
2024-10-09 18:04:20	eyeoh	and then see how that is set up
2024-10-09 18:05:05	eyeoh	off the top of my head, it sets up both grub and crypttab but I'm not sure
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2024-10-09 18:09:08	eyeoh	hmm ok; it appears archinstall doesn't allow this
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2024-10-09 18:10:14	eyeoh	oh wait; maybe it can - encryption is a separate menu item
2024-10-09 18:11:47	ℹ 	SubWorx es conocido ahora como Sub|gone
2024-10-09 18:15:53	frostschutz	System_o_Packets, grub encrypted boot requires cryptodisk=y (followed by grub-install) and a pbkdf2 keyslot in the luks header (argon2 not supported). that's pretty much it
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2024-10-09 18:18:13	System_o_Packets	frostschutz: yes ive done all that but my /boot and my root are encrypted separately with different passwords and it is not prompting for both during boot after grub
2024-10-09 18:18:53	Namarrgon	Are you using the systemd-based initramfs?
2024-10-09 18:19:25	Namarrgon	The busybox encrypt hook supports unlocking only one device.
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2024-10-09 18:19:47	System_o_Packets	Namarrgon: no should i jump there?
2024-10-09 18:20:06	Namarrgon	Why did you split out /boot?
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2024-10-09 18:22:07	System_o_Packets	Namarrgon: I'm experimenting with a potential 2 factor boot idea, I type in the password for the boot patition and then have tpm unlock the root
2024-10-09 18:24:28	System_o_Packets	basically the boot password i remember and the original root password i write down and place in a firesafe to freely forget
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2024-10-09 18:27:51	eyeoh	I'm not grasping how this has an advantage over single root luks?
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2024-10-09 18:28:27	ℹ 	verbotron_ es conocido ahora como verbotron
2024-10-09 18:28:30	System_o_Packets	im just experimenting currently
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2024-10-09 18:29:43	connstruct	So, depending on perspective, that's not mfa.
2024-10-09 18:30:00	connstruct	In the sense of authenticating the system against the storage, it is. In the sense of you authenticating to the system, it isn't.
2024-10-09 18:31:30	System_o_Packets	but i still need to input my own password for /\boot
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2024-10-09 18:31:43	Namarrgon	'encrypt' doesn't support the tpm integration but it should still prompt you for the passphrase, ie. the "second password"
2024-10-09 18:31:59	Namarrgon	How did you configure the initramfs?
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2024-10-09 18:33:31	System_o_Packets	initramfs was just with the 'encrypt' hook and non systemd i am currently switching to systemd and swaping the hook and grub commands to see if that works
2024-10-09 18:34:42	eyeoh	I'm kind of confusing myself at this point and probably should head to bed; but I'm /fairly/ sure that /etc/crypttab is important or at least useful in many cases
2024-10-09 18:35:38	eyeoh	even for passphrase entry (in which case it's generally in the format "mapped-name UUID=xxx none luks,discard"
2024-10-09 18:35:54	eyeoh	as opposed to /etc/keys/root.key luks,discard,keyslot=1 - that one is for keys
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2024-10-09 18:36:40	eyeoh	so maybe re-check whether crypttab is actually relevant for you because it seems to be mentioned regularly
2024-10-09 18:36:51	System_o_Packets	ok ill check
2024-10-09 18:37:03	connstruct	System_o_Packets: Yes, that password is the single factor to unlock the device. The storage and the TPM that would secure it is all part of the same device.
2024-10-09 18:37:03	connstruct	That's not mfa.
2024-10-09 18:37:04	Namarrgon	You can use crypttab but you don't have to, the kernel parameters works just fine here.
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2024-10-09 18:37:09	eyeoh	ah ok
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2024-10-09 18:38:17	System_o_Packets	ok i think i see what i need to do i need to use systemd hook the sd-encrypt and add the paramaters to my grub config
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2024-10-10 00:08:48	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
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2024-10-09 22:54:21	rassawyer	I recently switched from connman to NetworkManager. Now, I am unable to print, as all printer give me an error Unable to locate printer <printer>.local:631.
2024-10-09 22:55:04	rassawyer	I am sure I am missing something obvious, but it definitely my computer, as other computers on the network can print, and it occurs on 2 different networks.
2024-10-09 22:55:55	rassawyer	Is there something that I need to do to configure .local name resolution? Why would it not use my network DNS server?
2024-10-09 22:57:21	eyeoh	well there was that cups security vuln so did something get changed?
2024-10-09 22:57:42	gog	you need avahi-daemon running
2024-10-09 23:00:32	rassawyer	avahi-daemon 0.8 starting up.
2024-10-09 23:00:53	rassawyer	hmm. I had double checked that I installed avahi but had onot thought to verify that it was running.
2024-10-09 23:01:12	rassawyer	It seems stuck on starting up. thanks! I now have a thread to pull (google)
2024-10-09 23:13:11	quest	Sup folks, having a super strange issue. I am seeing a couple services core dump at boot, stubby and systemd-timesyncd. They continue to core dump until I reinstall the glibc package, then they magically start working again. Thing is glibc works fine for everything else, and the shasums of libc.a and libc.so don't change... For the life of me I can't figure out wtf is going on, if anyone has any
2024-10-09 23:13:11	quest	ideas I 
2024-10-09 23:13:17	quest	am all ears.
2024-10-09 23:13:49	quest	I also have the core dump traces... they just crash loading glibc...
2024-10-09 23:13:59	quest	but everything else on the box works as expected... 
2024-10-09 23:19:07	quest	of course after typing all that I find the culprit, the opensnitch ebpf module =\
2024-10-09 23:19:18	quest	https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/34615
2024-10-09 23:19:19	phrik	Title: systemd-timesyncd core dump on Kernel 6.11 · Issue #34615 · systemd/systemd · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-10-09 23:20:25	docmax	where is archive.org?
2024-10-09 23:20:41	Namarrgon	It's currently getting ddosed.
2024-10-09 23:21:05	docmax	ah ok, and i was thinking the government shut it down
2024-10-09 23:21:49	boombatz	when you install a package from a file on your disk using pacman -U is the .sig file required or not?
2024-10-09 23:22:18	Namarrgon	boombatz: Did you see what BrainDamage wrote earlier?
2024-10-09 23:23:26	boombatz	no and now when I read it I don't understand what he means
2024-10-09 23:24:01	Namarrgon	"man pacman.conf" -> LocalFileSigLevel
2024-10-09 23:24:10	Namarrgon	And check it against your current pacman.conf.
2024-10-09 23:24:31	boombatz	sigh!
2024-10-09 23:25:32	boombatz	can someone else answer this question for me?
2024-10-10 00:04:01	connstruct	I personally wouldn't use a GUI one if I used a pacman wrapper at all.
2024-10-10 00:04:23	connstruct	If you NEED a helper, check out aurutils. It's not a pacman wrapper (nor should it be).
2024-10-10 00:04:42	connstruct	Then you're in the wrong place.
2024-10-10 00:05:10	connstruct	Not wanting half-baked shit to break my system is extreme. K, guess I'm extreme.
2024-10-10 00:07:25	demonicmaniac1	remember that aur helpers are unsupported. if you have an issue with updates then you have to pacman -Syu first without wrapper - you will not be helped and liked here if you claim arch broke if you run an aur helper
2024-10-10 00:09:16	demonicmaniac1	also goes for custom repos and shit. if it doesn't barf with only official repos and pacman -Syu but custom repo or aur helper then that's an issue with something not supported
2024-10-10 00:08:48	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-10 00:12:55	teraflops	is gitlab.archlinux.org down?
2024-10-10 00:13:02	astralc	I use firefox as graphical aur explorer
2024-10-10 00:14:02	Namarrgon	teraflops: I think they're upgrading it.
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2024-10-10 00:55:13	Guest3554	hi there
2024-10-10 00:55:21	Guest3554	whys that mu name
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2024-10-10 01:25:43	furrykef	Oh geez. I added `shopt -s nullglob` to my .bashrc a while back because it sounded like a good idea
2024-10-10 01:26:09	furrykef	Today I did something like `ls foo*` and wondered why I got a list of everything in the directory until I remembered I enabled that
2024-10-10 01:26:24	furrykef	And suddenly I realized `rm -f foo*` could be utterly disastrous
2024-10-10 01:26:25	furrykef	Back out it goes!
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2024-10-10 01:31:05	furrykef	Er, wait. That would translate to just `rm -f`... harmless by itself.
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2024-10-10 01:34:20	predicament	i mount a partition i.e. mount  /dev/nvme0n1p2 /mnt -- then it says mount: mount point does not exist, error, failed to setup chroot /mnt
2024-10-10 01:35:14	ponies	Mount the disk's before you arch-chroot predicament 
2024-10-10 01:35:14	predicament	and the mount point exists.  im trying the september iso and it worked for my laptop.. now im trying october, it said it for both on this box.  its' a brand new machine that i built
2024-10-10 01:35:20	predicament	i did
2024-10-10 01:35:23	predicament	thts the thing.
2024-10-10 01:36:20	predicament	i just said tht.  there was no error when mounting either. so the next step would be arch-chroot /mnt and it just doesn't work, every ime it says it doesnt exist..
2024-10-10 01:36:39	ponies	In recovery you mount / to mount, THEN mount your EFI to /mnt/boot, before arch-chroot 
2024-10-10 01:36:50	ponies	I suspect that second command U are missing it 
2024-10-10 01:36:53	predicament	when i run lsblk i even shows as mounted
2024-10-10 01:37:05	predicament	...
2024-10-10 01:37:09	predicament	what?
2024-10-10 01:37:21	ponies	Yes 
2024-10-10 01:37:33	predicament	same result
2024-10-10 01:38:01	predicament	it just doesn't wanna arch-chroot
2024-10-10 01:38:32	ponies	Fine, open arch-chroot file and look at what it's doing 
2024-10-10 01:38:42	ponies	It's just a helper script 
2024-10-10 01:39:06	ponies	Oh *it, sorry I misread 
2024-10-10 01:40:08	predicament	i always use arch-chroot.. im not sure why its saying the mount point doesnt exist, im looking at it 
2024-10-10 01:40:14	predicament	it exists alright
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2024-10-10 01:40:48	predicament	maybe it needs to try a different usb port
2024-10-10 01:41:41	predicament	ive been able to liveboot in just about everything
2024-10-10 01:41:51	predicament	.. except arch which makes no sense.
2024-10-10 01:42:07	predicament	im gonna try with the october iso... im not sure what else to do.
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2024-10-10 01:43:38	ponies	Slow down 
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2024-10-10 01:44:22	predicament	i mounted all of the partitions that i made which could be a probem, i do not really know
2024-10-10 01:44:37	predicament	i mounted all of the partitions that i made which could be a probem, i do not really know
2024-10-10 01:44:53	ponies	They arch install is 'complicated' because it requires people to manually enter ~7 commands. 99% is copy pasta/wrong input error 
2024-10-10 01:45:05	predicament	ugh i meant to typed something else.  to /mnt just doesnt seem to watch to go
2024-10-10 01:45:15	predicament	i am not copying and pasting so
2024-10-10 01:45:28	predicament	i can show you like somethingpicture so you can see
2024-10-10 01:45:39	◣	nunonogueir444 (~nunonogue@user/nunonogueir444) ha salido (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2024-10-10 01:45:51	ponies	Yes paste but I already know what you are doing wrong 
2024-10-10 01:45:58	predicament	ok
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2024-10-10 01:46:10	predicament	i cant paste from there
2024-10-10 01:46:14	predicament	i dont think
2024-10-10 01:46:27	ponies	Follow the instructions precisely ;) 
2024-10-10 01:46:28	predicament	if you know what im doing wrong then just say what im doing wrong
2024-10-10 01:46:31	predicament	i DO
2024-10-10 01:46:34	ponies	Harder than U think 💪
2024-10-10 01:46:36	predicament	oh my goodness
2024-10-10 01:46:46	predicament	i've done this 50,000 times
2024-10-10 01:46:53	ponies	Ok ok paste then 
2024-10-10 01:46:59	predicament	did you see what i said?
2024-10-10 01:47:10	predicament	i can't paste from there, i don't think anyway
2024-10-10 01:47:58	predicament	if it isnt' commonly happening then i dont know what it is.  i just installed this on a laptop like 2 days ago from scratch
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2024-10-10 01:48:10	predicament	so agitating
2024-10-10 01:48:24	predicament	ill try deleting partitions and remaing and reformatting
2024-10-10 01:49:07	predicament	remaining* -and
2024-10-10 01:50:35	predicament	all three partitions are mounted and i turned my swap on so i know im not doing anything wrong or it'd tell me
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2024-10-10 01:51:30	predicament	i always do the EFI partition last
2024-10-10 01:52:10	predicament	it hasnt done this before. ill say that.  even fdisk says it's mounted
2024-10-10 01:52:49	ju	something is broken with latest tree-sitter package
2024-10-10 01:52:52	ju	':: installing tree-sitter (0.24.2-1) breaks dependency 'libtree-sitter.so=0.23-64' required by emacs'
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2024-10-10 01:54:11	just_me	or the problem is emacs?
2024-10-10 01:54:33	predicament	what?
2024-10-10 01:54:34	◣	levitating (~levitatin@user/levitating) ha salido (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2024-10-10 01:54:37	predicament	oh
2024-10-10 01:54:41	predicament	them.
2024-10-10 01:54:50	predicament	im never gonna get this to work.  i swear to god
2024-10-10 01:55:14	ju	fixed temporarily with pacman -Rns emacs
2024-10-10 01:55:37	mpan	ju: emacs has to be rebuilt. If you have the bugtracker account, consider reporting that.
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2024-10-10 01:55:46	Namarrgon	They forgot to rebuild emacs again.
2024-10-10 01:55:46	mpan	(yes, apparently a genuine ommission)
2024-10-10 01:56:01	Namarrgon	tree-sitter is rolling too fast
2024-10-10 01:56:09	mpan	… instead of sitting on the tree.
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2024-10-10 01:56:59	Namarrgon	It would be nice if gitlab wouldn't log me out every five minutes...
2024-10-10 01:59:01	ju	someone has reported this already https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/tree-sitter/-/issues/3
2024-10-10 01:59:03	phrik	Title: tree-sitter (0.24.2-1) breaks dependency 'libtree-sitter.so=0.23-64' required by emacs-wayland (#3) · Issues · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / tree-sitter · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-10-10 01:59:59	mpan	Somebody is quick. Checked it literally 4 minutes ago. :D
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2024-10-10 02:01:09	predicament	maybe this specific nvme is damaged or something.
2024-10-10 02:02:11	just_me	predicament, it shouldnt matter...But its a gpt partition table right?
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2024-10-10 02:08:45	zayd	is there any way to use time synced lrc files with ncmpcpp?
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2024-10-10 02:16:21	Namarrgon	https://github.com/ncmpcpp/ncmpcpp/issues/331
2024-10-10 02:16:22	phrik	Title: [Request] support for .lrc lyrics files. · Issue #331 · ncmpcpp/ncmpcpp · GitHub (at github.com)
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2024-10-10 02:19:14	zayd	Namarrgon: oh come on man
2024-10-10 02:19:27	zayd	this is like the only good mpd client and it's missing something i was looking for
2024-10-10 02:19:45	zayd	tempted to write an mpd client but ncmpcpp would probably still be the only good mpd client
2024-10-10 02:20:29	⚡ 	teraflops uses mpc
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2024-10-10 02:21:59	predicament	same result after downloading the iso again
2024-10-10 02:22:33	predicament	fuck.  i dont understand at all.. i guess i sort of understand but i dont know.  next step, remae partitions..
2024-10-10 02:22:39	predicament	remake*
2024-10-10 02:23:49	predicament	something is severely wrong.
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2024-10-10 02:26:38	Gnea	why does pipewire continue to produce skipping audio? even with the git version of everything installed, it still breaks, especially over bluetooth 
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2024-10-10 02:29:53	ponies	!give predicament paste
2024-10-10 02:29:54	phrik	predicament: Paste short snippets (up to 3 lines) in channel. Please do NOT use pastebin.com or paste.ubuntu.com -- some good, sane paste services are http://0x0.st, https://paste.rs, https://bpaste.net and https://gist.github.com. See !0x0 or !rs for an easy way to paste from the cli.
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2024-10-10 02:30:39	ponies	predicament: even if you have no irc on the broken machine, you should still get a connection and so, you can use a pastebin. that would help a lot. 
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2024-10-10 02:33:12	predicament	broken lol. i am repartitioning.  if it still gives the same problem then ill think about pasting.
2024-10-10 02:33:44	predicament	other linux boots just fine.. i dont understnad tbh.
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2024-10-10 02:37:29	ponies	!0x0 
2024-10-10 02:37:30	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
2024-10-10 02:37:56	red_man	hi all
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2024-10-10 02:38:55	red_man	im having issues verifying the iso sig pacman keeps saying so such file 
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2024-10-10 02:39:27	ponies	what PKGBUILD? k
2024-10-10 02:39:50	ponies	oh the ISO 
2024-10-10 02:39:54	predicament	okay i'll just send whatever that says to saend
2024-10-10 02:40:04	ponies	im confused.. 
2024-10-10 02:40:14	Namarrgon	How are you verifying the iso?
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2024-10-10 02:40:43	red_man	ok i download an iso image and its respective sig file 
2024-10-10 02:40:48	predicament	i still cant make it paste
2024-10-10 02:40:57	predicament	i would need the one where it can do it from terminal
2024-10-10 02:41:02	red_man	gpg says no such file
2024-10-10 02:41:23	red_man	ok
2024-10-10 02:41:26	Namarrgon	What is the exact gpg command?
2024-10-10 02:41:53	predicament	ponies..
2024-10-10 02:42:22	red_man	 pacman-key -v archlinux-2024.10.01-x86_64.iso.sig
2024-10-10 02:42:40	predicament	how would i paste it from the current session in terminal?  there's no GUI and it STILL did not mount.  I forgot the command to paste it from terminal
2024-10-10 02:43:09	ponies	predicament: yes i am getting busy however.. somebody here will help ya 
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2024-10-10 02:43:27	predicament	!rs
2024-10-10 02:43:27	phrik	<command to print output> |& curl --data-binary @- https://paste.rs
2024-10-10 02:43:46	predicament	nobody here is going to help me.
2024-10-10 02:43:53	predicament	they all hate me.
2024-10-10 02:44:25	Namarrgon	red_man: and the iso is in the same directory as this signature?
2024-10-10 02:44:51	predicament	!0x0
2024-10-10 02:44:52	phrik	curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st
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2024-10-10 02:45:57	predicament	okay so i guess i'll have to make a file.. holy fuckin shit.  ths is unbelievable.  it was  abrand new thing too.  reformatted partitions and did a different style than i usually would but it didn't matter, /mnt would not mount no matter what.
2024-10-10 02:46:45	predicament	i tried traditional ways and newer types of ways but im not sure how to put this in a file.  fuck
2024-10-10 02:47:15	predicament	i've already typed the issue
2024-10-10 02:47:38	Namarrgon	pipe the command's output into that curl command
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2024-10-10 02:48:18	predicament	i dont know how to do that, i'm useless dude.. its not so much a command because he wants to see how i mounted it and probably how i partitioned it and he thinks he knows what im doing wrong.
2024-10-10 02:48:32	predicament	even though i did this just fine two nights ago on a barnd new laptop
2024-10-10 02:48:41	predicament	this is a brand new computer that i built.
2024-10-10 02:49:09	predicament	im not sure what the hell im supposed to pipe if he wants multiple lines (even though I already typed them)
2024-10-10 02:49:39	predicament	a picture frankly would be way easier
2024-10-10 02:49:42	predicament	and it would be one link
2024-10-10 02:50:10	just_me	predicament, it's like going to the doctor...They're gonna want to run tests  :)
2024-10-10 02:50:26	just_me	you could also just take a picture of the screen and upload it
2024-10-10 02:51:44	predicament	thats what i said, and its what im doin
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2024-10-10 03:00:44	connstruct	predicament: You could have just asked "how do I pipe multiple lines?"
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2024-10-10 03:01:50	predicament	https://imgur.com/a/ODUSPSR
2024-10-10 03:01:52	phrik	Title: Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com)
2024-10-10 03:02:16	predicament	@connstruct you'll see in the picture how many lines lol
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2024-10-10 03:05:37	predicament	no one in here is going to give any good suggestion.  they'll just say that i didnt mount it correctly.  all of that is just repartitioning, reformatting, blah blah. leads to the same issue
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2024-10-10 03:06:22	predicament	and yes i mounted it correctly
2024-10-10 03:06:56	predicament	like i would any other way, /mnt/boot goes last.  i failed certain instructions on purpose so you guys would see i was actually reformatting.
2024-10-10 03:07:07	predicament	repartitioning.
2024-10-10 03:07:20	predicament	if it gives no error when you mount, that usually means its fine
2024-10-10 03:07:28	predicament	so i just dont understand what the fuck is going on
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2024-10-10 03:08:05	predicament	i did lsblk and it showed the right shit, it showed all the mounts and everything...
2024-10-10 03:08:27	ℹ 	gog es conocido ahora como pog
2024-10-10 03:08:45	predicament	before i did arch-chroot.  for the record, this is the october ISO
2024-10-10 03:10:05	pog	ls /mnt
2024-10-10 03:10:27	predicament	sigh okay
2024-10-10 03:10:55	predicament	" boot home lost+found "
2024-10-10 03:11:07	predicament	thats because i did --mkdir for those specifically to mount
2024-10-10 03:11:10	pog	ok
2024-10-10 03:11:14	pog	so what next
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2024-10-10 13:59:57	toys	during syslinux update this "warning: /boot/syslinux/syslinux.cfg saved as /boot/syslinux/syslinux.cfg.pacsave" was printed, but the .pacsave file wasn't created, any ideas why that would happen?
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2024-10-10 14:01:07	another|	ecraven: ip link show master brß
2024-10-10 14:01:21	jelle	german spotted
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2024-10-10 14:02:53	Namarrgon	toys: Is /boot on a separate fs?
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2024-10-10 14:06:45	Namarrgon	toys: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/syslinux/-/commit/157d84c34572cdfc7c9c63e70886c50f79074efb
2024-10-10 14:06:46	phrik	Title: drop the definition for backup file (157d84c3) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / syslinux · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-10-10 14:07:19	Namarrgon	https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/syslinux/-/commit/c0dbb98be0b7065eddbb5d35947ebfa0caf1fdee
2024-10-10 14:07:20	phrik	Title: Move syslinux.cfg to /usr/share/syslinux/ (c0dbb98b) · Commits · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / syslinux · GitLab (at gitlab.archlinux.org)
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2024-10-10 15:22:20	ℹ 	Topic for #archlinux is "Welcome to Arch Linux, https://archlinux.org | Rules: https://coc.archlinux.org | restart sshd after 2024-07-01 upgrade https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/openssh/-/issues/5 | Pastebins: !paste | https://status.archlinux.org | Keyring problems? pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su"
2024-10-10 15:22:20	ℹ 	Channel #archlinux: 1458 apodos (1 op, 0 voiced, 1457 regular)
2024-10-10 14:17:42	predicament	i am having a hell of a time with enabling secure boot
2024-10-10 14:20:23	predicament	i am having a hell of a time with enabling secure boot.  I have to set secure boot to "Custom" instead of standard.. and so far the only way i booted was with ventoy's key and the mok manager or whatever it was, i can use my usb for secure boot but i can't have secure boot enabled when it is set to "Custom" as opposed to "standard"
2024-10-10 14:21:32	vedranm	predicament: are you using? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface/Secure_Boot#shim
2024-10-10 14:21:33	phrik	Title: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface/Secure Boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-10 14:21:34	predicament	that is the only way it will boot linux with secure boot, doesn't seem to do it otherwise.. it's enabled on every laptop and box in this house.. then again they all have had windows installed before.. i enroll-keys -m just in case but this computer has never had windows on it
2024-10-10 14:21:39	predicament	yeah i'm using UEFI
2024-10-10 14:21:44	vedranm	no, shim
2024-10-10 14:21:53	predicament	i was using sbctl
2024-10-10 14:22:08	predicament	you might be missing my point im not sure.
2024-10-10 14:22:22	vedranm	without shim it is not possible to use "Standard" Secure Boot setting, only "Custom"
2024-10-10 14:22:50	susi	maybe open the link provided predicament 
2024-10-10 14:23:21	predicament	yeah in the uefi firmware settings it has custom and standrd.  if i set it to standard, then secure boot locks to on, but then i cant do setup mode for sbctl.
2024-10-10 14:23:36	predicament	that's only with "custom" and you clear all the keys.
2024-10-10 14:23:46	predicament	and then it's in setup mode but secure boot disabled
2024-10-10 14:23:50	predicament	according to sbctl.
2024-10-10 14:24:20	predicament	but with standard i was able to add the .mok and get the USB working
2024-10-10 14:24:21	vedranm	predicament: yes, if you want Standard, you have to use shim, as described on the link I provied
2024-10-10 14:24:26	predicament	i suck
2024-10-10 14:25:06	predicament	so install shim-signed
2024-10-10 14:25:07	predicament	hang on
2024-10-10 14:25:19	predicament	im gonna have to try this
2024-10-10 14:26:50	predicament	i didn't know i had to use shim.  i've never had to do this before
2024-10-10 14:27:38	predicament	i want to get it to work with grub though, not refind
2024-10-10 14:28:06	predicament	i have it working with grub on like 8 computers and of course my stupid ass can't get this going.
2024-10-10 14:28:16	predicament	i'm reading it and i don't understand maybe.
2024-10-10 14:29:14	predicament	i did a lot of this and still couldn't get it working.  i didnt do all of this, but some of it.
2024-10-10 14:29:55	ponies	YO
2024-10-10 14:30:09	predicament	alright.  shim-signed installed.  hi ponies.
2024-10-10 14:30:49	ponies	soo... i see you are now contemplating switching bootloaders .. makes sense buuuuuuuu
2024-10-10 14:31:30	predicament	so i need shim.. how the hell would i launch mok manager
2024-10-10 14:31:39	ponies	can u boot now ? 
2024-10-10 14:31:46	predicament	no im not contemplating switching boot loaders
2024-10-10 14:31:54	predicament	and i can boot but it's not secure boot
2024-10-10 14:32:15	predicament	becuase i dont have shim working or whichever apparently
2024-10-10 14:32:18	ponies	im going to take you through the install step by step 
2024-10-10 14:32:25	predicament	i'm not understanding this, i've never even had to do this before
2024-10-10 14:32:36	predicament	but i got the install working at least
2024-10-10 14:32:44	predicament	that was just because i forgot to pacstrap
2024-10-10 14:33:23	ponies	you cant pacstrap if you haven't solved the issue at hand
2024-10-10 14:33:55	predicament	ponies
2024-10-10 14:34:11	predicament	i  am talking about making secure boot work
2024-10-10 14:34:27	predicament	without windows or anything ever being installed
2024-10-10 14:34:35	predicament	its the only box that has not had windows taint it
2024-10-10 14:35:12	predicament	i pacstrapped a long time ago, i'm using it right now with secure boot disabled basically
2024-10-10 14:35:14	predicament	that's all.
2024-10-10 14:35:31	predicament	sbctl has signed stuff and it's gone into setup mode, but secure boot would be disabled
2024-10-10 14:35:37	predicament	they're telling me i need a shim
2024-10-10 14:36:54	predicament	otherwise the damn thing gets a secure bonot violatio
2024-10-10 14:37:10	ponies	look: anything is possible. but what is realisitic? right? consider that most people reinstall linux several times before they get used to it
2024-10-10 14:37:21	predicament	i've been used to it
2024-10-10 14:37:34	predicament	i've been getting secure boot working via sbctl for years
2024-10-10 14:38:00	ponies	because even if you install, you will eventually break packaging, your issues will compound, you wont trust your system anymore as will essentailly write it off as unsalvagable 
2024-10-10 14:38:07	predicament	now it's been years anyway, on arch linux... no dual booting, i dont use windows but it does come with the laptops
2024-10-10 14:38:23	predicament	no i don't break packaging
2024-10-10 14:38:30	predicament	ponies what are you talking about
2024-10-10 14:38:43	predicament	i've used arch on some boxes here for a very long time
2024-10-10 14:38:49	predicament	i've had to rescue shit sure
2024-10-10 14:38:58	predicament	but i've got secure boot working with all of them
2024-10-10 14:39:23	ponies	well then post logs, as is expected 
2024-10-10 14:39:37	predicament	there isnt anything to log yet
2024-10-10 14:39:43	predicament	they said i needed a shim:
2024-10-10 14:40:13	predicament	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface/Secure_Boot#shim
2024-10-10 14:40:14	phrik	Title: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface/Secure Boot - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-10 14:40:19	predicament	i read that and get lost very easily
2024-10-10 14:40:36	predicament	i have many of those packages as well.
2024-10-10 14:41:26	predicament	i'll try preloader-signed and set up preloader or try?
2024-10-10 14:41:32	predicament	i dont know what else to think
2024-10-10 14:41:39	ponies	like if you think it's a bug SAY IT. 
2024-10-10 14:42:02	predicament	no i think it's my limited knowledge in this area
2024-10-10 14:42:24	predicament	im just gonna try it
2024-10-10 14:42:42	predicament	in this case yes i can just reinsatll it anyway 
2024-10-10 14:42:56	predicament	i think this is the only way to get secure boot working since sbctl isn't working
2024-10-10 14:43:07	predicament	sbctl works great for most stuff but not all i guess
2024-10-10 14:43:32	ponies	none of your shit is working -- 
2024-10-10 14:43:47	predicament	a lot of my shit is working.. without secure boot
2024-10-10 14:43:50	ponies	you efi wasn't working 12 hours ago. now its sbctl <- that's not working. what else 
2024-10-10 14:43:52	predicament	i want secure boot working
2024-10-10 14:44:10	predicament	it wasnt my efi earlier
2024-10-10 14:44:25	predicament	it was me not installing pacstrap plain and simple, thats what the issue was
2024-10-10 14:44:29	predicament	you didnt know what i was doing wrong
2024-10-10 14:44:54	predicament	it's simply getting secure boot to work on here now.
2024-10-10 14:44:55	red_man	hi all
2024-10-10 14:45:29	predicament	Installing WITH pacstrap before arch-chrooting
2024-10-10 14:45:32	predicament	didn't install base
2024-10-10 14:45:39	predicament	to /mnt, that's why
2024-10-10 14:46:10	predicament	i just simply forgot that command, that's not my efi not working.
2024-10-10 14:46:49	red_man	so I am curious is it possible or is there a log file for archiso
2024-10-10 14:46:58	predicament	so ponies it's not sbctl that isn't working, it's likely that it won't work in conjuction without me using shim i think
2024-10-10 14:47:26	Namarrgon	red_man: While you're booted into it? journald is available.
2024-10-10 14:47:34	ponies	ok. fair 
2024-10-10 14:48:05	red_man	journald ?
2024-10-10 14:48:29	ponies	well, shim is in the repos
2024-10-10 14:48:33	predicament	and i have limited knowledge with shim so if you wanted to walk me through that ponies, i would be very appreciative
2024-10-10 14:48:48	predicament	either way i'm gonna try somehow i just am not sure how at this point
2024-10-10 14:48:52	Namarrgon	red_man: systemd-journald, the thing you interact with using 'journalctl'. What are you actually looking for?
2024-10-10 14:48:59	astralc	ponies: shim in the repos is not signed
2024-10-10 14:49:10	ponies	wat? 
2024-10-10 14:49:19	predicament	like for instance, i was able to use ventoy's MOK cert and Mok manager to get the USB to work with secure boot actually working
2024-10-10 14:49:51	predicament	grub gets a "secure boot violation" lol
2024-10-10 14:50:08	predicament	that's if i set up using "standard"
2024-10-10 14:50:30	ponies	predicament: you are fucking something up 100%, i just don't know what, because you are so shifty 
2024-10-10 14:50:35	red_man	reason im asking so i bootup and then i get this screen i hit enter and there is a pause and then i long list of error messages then arch boots up
2024-10-10 14:50:50	predicament	i dont know what either.
2024-10-10 14:50:56	predicament	shifty
2024-10-10 14:50:59	Namarrgon	red_man: "arch" as in the archiso?
2024-10-10 14:51:10	red_man	iso
2024-10-10 14:51:23	predicament	standard is the only time secure boot is on with this computer ponies
2024-10-10 14:51:57	red_man	one is a acpi bug 
2024-10-10 14:52:24	Namarrgon	Does 'journalctl -b' list these errors?
2024-10-10 14:52:39	predicament	if i do "custom" and i clear the keys, then it lets me into setup mode but turns off secure boot, then once i make a grub entry like so: grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader-id=GRUB --modules="tpm" --disable-shim-lock
2024-10-10 14:52:54	red_man	ill try that
2024-10-10 14:53:27	predicament	sbctl verify tells me what to do, it finds the EFI partition, i sign all of them
2024-10-10 14:53:38	astralc	signing grub is special procedure
2024-10-10 14:53:44	carpenter	FFmpeg 7.1 was release on sep 30th where is the arch build?
2024-10-10 14:53:56	astralc	!when
2024-10-10 14:53:57	phrik	When it's ready. ™
2024-10-10 14:53:59	predicament	yeah for awhile i was using sbctl so i dont know.  
2024-10-10 14:54:10	ponies	predicament: its hard to even verify whether you have an EFI given your past reporting
2024-10-10 14:54:22	predicament	omg
2024-10-10 14:54:32	predicament	the partition type is EFI system and it is 1GB
2024-10-10 14:54:34	jelle	carpenter: it's being rebuild
2024-10-10 14:54:34	predicament	okay?
2024-10-10 14:54:37	predicament	thats my boot partition
2024-10-10 14:54:44	predicament	GPT structure
2024-10-10 14:55:08	predicament	its not linux file system or anything else
2024-10-10 14:55:12	predicament	i used fdisk
2024-10-10 14:55:39	ponies	i take you to your word, but i have nothing to go by 
2024-10-10 14:55:51	predicament	i had a picture
2024-10-10 14:56:04	ponies	what can anybody do? 
2024-10-10 14:56:31	predicament	nobody can do anything, it seems.. i want to just attempt this shim stuff and see if it works
2024-10-10 14:56:52	predicament	i have an efi man like otherwise secure boot wouldnt flip out when its turned on
2024-10-10 14:57:17	predicament	when "Standard" is enabled.
2024-10-10 14:57:32	demonicmaniac1	ffmpeg is probably the biggest horror after glibc regarding dependencies and api changes 
2024-10-10 14:58:28	ponies	idk about api changes. but i know the devs dont even pretend like people understand it 
2024-10-10 14:59:40	predicament	god DAMN IT.
2024-10-10 14:59:50	ponies	-v 
2024-10-10 15:00:07	jelle	predicament: calm down a bit
2024-10-10 15:05:59	toys	Namarrgon: yes, own part at /dev/sda1, although ext4 as /dev/sda2. Thank you, I'll be checking on gitlab for package changes prior from now on, didn't occur to me before (dum).
2024-10-10 15:06:36	anihil	how do i create a usb bootable with windows 10  uefi 
2024-10-10 15:07:00	predicament	ventoy.
2024-10-10 15:07:12	anihil	ok
2024-10-10 15:07:35	predicament	download ventoy-bin if you don't like compiling
2024-10-10 15:07:46	Erus_Iluvatar	predicament: he said "from windows", right?
2024-10-10 15:08:09	predicament	with windows
2024-10-10 15:08:16	Erus_Iluvatar	anyhow, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/USB_flash_installation_medium#In_Windows or https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Ventoy
2024-10-10 15:08:17	predicament	with windows 10 uefi
2024-10-10 15:08:18	phrik	Title: USB flash installation medium - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-10 15:08:38	predicament	he can just use ventoy and there's a wiki on it as you just posted
2024-10-10 15:09:00	predicament	i might have misunderstood the English.
2024-10-10 15:09:43	predicament	but no Erus_Iluvatar he did not say "from" windows
2024-10-10 15:09:52	Erus_Iluvatar	might be me too, do they want to create an installation medium for arch from windows, or a windows installation medium form Arch
2024-10-10 15:10:16	predicament	to make a usb WITH windows 10 uefi you'd use ventoy.
2024-10-10 15:10:29	predicament	thats how i took it
2024-10-10 15:10:32	predicament	as you see.
2024-10-10 15:10:48	Erus_Iluvatar	a bit odd to ask in the Arch channel how to create a windows installation medium but 🤷
2024-10-10 15:10:55	predicament	yeah i agree
2024-10-10 15:11:49	predicament	it might not be possible to even do this with the way this is set up
2024-10-10 15:12:07	majuscule	another|: yes, it is pulse, i don't know what pipewire is
2024-10-10 15:12:20	predicament	pipewire is a better pulseaudio
2024-10-10 15:12:26	predicament	to put it lightly
2024-10-10 15:12:58	predicament	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire
2024-10-10 15:13:00	phrik	Title: PipeWire - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-10 15:13:39	another|	majuscule: `pactl info | grep "Server Name"`
2024-10-10 15:16:06	majuscule	another|: Server Name: pulseaudio
2024-10-10 15:16:25	majuscule	i guess i can try out pipewire instead
2024-10-10 15:22:21	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
2024-10-10 15:23:47	ponies	not sure whether pulseaudio is supported anymore hmm 
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2024-10-10 15:24:39	another|	pretty sure it is
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2024-10-10 16:08:47	predicament	man im reading so much shit
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2024-10-10 16:10:23	predicament	jelle would i brick it by doing sbctl enroll-keys  and no -m/-microsoft if windows has never been installed before on the computer?  since this time it's an actual computer for once..
2024-10-10 16:10:29	predicament	built by me
2024-10-10 16:11:00	predicament	im just curious if that matters right now
2024-10-10 16:11:04	jelle	sbctl might brick all the time
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2024-10-10 16:11:25	predicament	so installing windows has nothin' to do with it
2024-10-10 16:11:33	predicament	alrighty
2024-10-10 16:11:35	predicament	i figured
2024-10-10 16:11:42	predicament	i always do -m anyway
2024-10-10 16:12:04	jelle	afaik MS keys are pretty much needed for gpu's
2024-10-10 16:12:16	predicament	that's what im worried about
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2024-10-10 16:12:28	predicament	they said some games need secure boot
2024-10-10 16:12:47	jelle	no they don't
2024-10-10 16:13:00	predicament	so the gpu needs it
2024-10-10 16:13:13	predicament	and that's what the person writing the comment meant
2024-10-10 16:13:20	jelle	https://github.com/Foxboron/sbctl/issues/182
2024-10-10 16:13:22	phrik	Title: cant activate / enable GPU driver in Windows after creating own keys · Issue #182 · Foxboron/sbctl · GitHub (at github.com)
2024-10-10 16:13:33	predicament	oh, in windows
2024-10-10 16:13:48	predicament	i thought in linux.
2024-10-10 16:13:59	predicament	i thought you meant*
2024-10-10 16:14:22	jelle	anyway I don't want to be involved *at all* with you and secure boot
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2024-10-10 16:14:39	predicament	i was just asking that question
2024-10-10 16:14:45	predicament	i didn't ask for anything else.
2024-10-10 16:14:58	jelle	no it's not
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2024-10-10 16:15:47	predicament	i understood that after what you just said
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2024-10-10 16:17:11	predicament	anyway i'm gonna try a couple of other things, hope some others help if i can't accomplish much with it today
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2024-10-10 16:19:29	LimeOn	hello, how can i remove pipewire and go back to pulseaudio?
2024-10-10 16:19:51	LimeOn	i tried to remove all pipewire* packages but since all the audio packages depend on that, its not possible without breaking something
2024-10-10 16:20:17	LimeOn	also tried: sudo pacman -S pulseaudio ; which does not work(... breaks dependency)
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2024-10-10 16:22:07	jelle	if you have an issue which can be fixed with pipewire I'd recommend that
2024-10-10 16:22:16	LimeOn	well, the issue is called zoom
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2024-10-10 16:22:37	LimeOn	i had to install the app and the microphone is not working in there
2024-10-10 16:22:38	jelle	why won't it work with pipewire?
2024-10-10 16:22:55	LimeOn	like, for some reason, zoom does not know that pipewire and the microphone are working
2024-10-10 16:23:05	eyeoh	do you have pavucontrol
2024-10-10 16:23:09	LimeOn	yes
2024-10-10 16:23:15	jelle	does it show anything?
2024-10-10 16:23:18	LimeOn	and it shows microphone working
2024-10-10 16:23:29	jelle	zoom "native app"? or browser or?
2024-10-10 16:23:32	LimeOn	i use pavucontrol-qt and it has a bar which shows micrphone volume
2024-10-10 16:23:35	LimeOn	"native"
2024-10-10 16:23:35	eyeoh	and when zoom is running?
2024-10-10 16:23:48	LimeOn	it shows the bar working, but it does not seem to be working inside zoom
2024-10-10 16:23:58	LimeOn	zoom has another "volume bar" which shows when you are speaking
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2024-10-10 16:25:13	LimeOn	i used zoom in the past, but now i can clearly see that zoom is like "microphone is not producing sound at all"
2024-10-10 16:25:42	LimeOn	zoom is to be blamed in my opinion, i even had to install a previous version because the program did not open at all
2024-10-10 16:26:08	jelle	I've used zoom in the browser in the past iirc
2024-10-10 16:26:09	eyeoh	have you done this? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Zoom_Meetings#Screen_share
2024-10-10 16:26:11	phrik	Title: Zoom Meetings - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-10 16:26:32	LimeOn	have not, but screen sharing does work eyeoh
2024-10-10 16:26:48	eyeoh	Wayland?
2024-10-10 16:27:01	LimeOn	both wayland and x11 has the mic issue
2024-10-10 16:28:00	eyeoh	I just don't feel that pulseaudio will help but I have no idea
2024-10-10 16:28:06	eyeoh	how about other programs?
2024-10-10 16:28:09	eyeoh	audacity etc
2024-10-10 16:28:49	eyeoh	OBS is a good one to test with too
2024-10-10 16:29:25	LimeOn	i will try wf-recorder
2024-10-10 16:29:32	LimeOn	to see if i can hear my voice, just in case
2024-10-10 16:30:59	LimeOn	microphone works
2024-10-10 16:31:06	LimeOn	i hear myself
2024-10-10 16:31:09	LimeOn	this sucks xD
2024-10-10 16:32:05	eyeoh	any more luck with zoom via Chrome or Edge?
2024-10-10 16:32:25	LimeOn	i will try over firefox, maybe the web interface works
2024-10-10 16:32:31	waka	To enable hostname export to local network do I need to install dhcpcd?
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2024-10-10 16:31:43	LimeOn	havent tried yet, shoudl work
2024-10-10 16:31:49	susi	@wiki/UEFI/Secure_Boot#shim it says "Note: Make sure you do not copy fbx64.efi (which is under the same directory) unless you actually have a valid bootx64.csv to use. Otherwise shim will not execute grubx64.efi but will appear to fail to work and just reset the machine." -- what does this 'reset the machine' mean?
2024-10-10 16:31:58	◣	B-| (~b-pipe@user/B-/x-9249737) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2024-10-10 16:32:15	susi	or actually the whole 'will appear to fail to work and just reset the machine'
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2024-10-10 16:34:27	LimeOn	oh, yes, it works in the webUI thanks eyeoh jelle
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2024-10-10 16:34:39	LimeOn	i should have tried that before asking, its not the best but it works
2024-10-10 16:34:48	jelle	why is it not the best?
2024-10-10 16:34:51	eyeoh	interesting
2024-10-10 16:34:58	LimeOn	i prefer the desktop UI
2024-10-10 16:35:02	eyeoh	LimeOn: also hmm, so many dependencies - and the pulseaudio packages seem to be dummies https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/zoom?all_deps=1#pkgdeps
2024-10-10 16:35:13	LimeOn	its more comfortable, the webUI seems to have to be polished
2024-10-10 16:35:25	LimeOn	but since my microphone works, i cant complain haha
2024-10-10 16:35:47	LimeOn	yeah i even installed from their official site eyeoh
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2024-10-10 16:36:03	LimeOn	which installed more deps and no sound at all in the native app
2024-10-10 16:36:21	eyeoh	which package do you grab from their site? since there seems to be no arch?
2024-10-10 16:36:46	jelle	eyeoh: you are reading that wrong
2024-10-10 16:36:50	eyeoh	probably
2024-10-10 16:37:17	jelle	it requires pulseaudio-alsa (list of packages which provide pulseaudio-alsa)
2024-10-10 16:37:25	LimeOn	you have to scroll down and there's arch eyeoh
2024-10-10 16:37:26	eyeoh	either way I don't have much confidence that ripping pipewire out will get zoom working but who knows
2024-10-10 16:37:29	LimeOn	they provide a .tar.xz
2024-10-10 16:37:42	eyeoh	oh wow there's a hidden a scrollbar lol
2024-10-10 16:37:46	LimeOn	it used to work with pulseaudio in the past, thats why i tried that
2024-10-10 16:37:55	eyeoh	+1 design lol
2024-10-10 16:38:00	eyeoh	ah ok
2024-10-10 16:38:23	eyeoh	so yeah whether it's worth the trouble to try and get it working with pulseaudio again or not..
2024-10-10 16:38:26	eyeoh	up to you
2024-10-10 16:38:34	LimeOn	yeah, i will stick to the webpage
2024-10-10 16:38:50	LimeOn	it also allows me to get rid of 600mb app
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2024-10-10 16:38:52	LimeOn	^^
2024-10-10 16:38:53	eyeoh	heh
2024-10-10 16:38:57	jelle	pipewire provides pulseaudio btw
2024-10-10 16:39:06	jelle	so replacing does not make a ton of sense
2024-10-10 16:39:07	eyeoh	oh also; are they on flathub/snap?
2024-10-10 16:39:16	jelle	ie. pipewire-pulseaudio
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2024-10-10 16:39:30	eyeoh	yeah flatpak/flathub - try that one?
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2024-10-10 16:39:51	eyeoh	or via snap; but flatpak is technically better
2024-10-10 16:40:13	eyeoh	I don't like how sites don't make it known that their programs are available on flathub or snap
2024-10-10 16:40:34	LimeOn	mmm
2024-10-10 16:40:37	LimeOn	i havent tried that yet
2024-10-10 16:40:40	jelle	I would also not advocate that I am on snap
2024-10-10 16:40:42	LimeOn	but sounds like troubles
2024-10-10 16:40:46	eyeoh	I think snap might be more up to date with zoom
2024-10-10 16:40:55	eyeoh	but I'd still try flatpak first
2024-10-10 16:40:56	LimeOn	because the app needs to detect hardware
2024-10-10 16:41:11	◣	dsimic (~dsimic@user/dsimic) ha salido (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2024-10-10 16:41:18	eyeoh	it should provide dependencies
2024-10-10 16:41:56	eyeoh	14:40:40 <jelle> I would also not advocate that I am on snap
2024-10-10 16:41:58	eyeoh	jelle is on snap?
2024-10-10 16:42:05	eyeoh	what does this mean? :)
2024-10-10 16:42:16	jelle	eyeoh: snap is not an opensource project
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2024-10-10 16:42:38	eyeoh	yeah but are you on snap
2024-10-10 16:42:43	jelle	no I am not
2024-10-10 16:42:49	⚡ 	eyeoh denies
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2024-10-10 16:52:42	LimeOn	ok, tried flatpak, changed the option as it was suggested in https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Zoom_Meetings#Screen_share but still not microphone sound
2024-10-10 16:52:44	phrik	Title: Zoom Meetings - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org)
2024-10-10 16:52:50	LimeOn	at least i learnt how to use flatpak haha
2024-10-10 16:53:40	eyeoh	flatpak isn't too elegant imo, but can be useful
2024-10-10 16:54:04	eyeoh	I wonder what browsers are doing differently
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2024-10-10 17:14:14	modev	Does anyone using GWSL?
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2024-10-10 17:14:52	modev	I primary have an error: "$DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X server."
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2024-10-10 17:16:09	eyeoh	whoa so many layers
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2024-10-10 17:20:17	modev	maybe not enough some pkgs?..
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2024-10-10 17:39:17	ℹ 	Canal creado el mié, 19 may 2021 14:12:33
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2024-10-10 17:47:43	teraflops	new weechat does not pick config dir at ~/.weechat anymore
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